| 00:00.02 | thingfish | hah. if you're a pot roast, you need potatoes, carrots, onion, and bay leaf. |
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| 00:01.16 | danton | dead channel?? |
| 00:01.20 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 00:01.27 | magyar | nice |
| 00:01.37 | magyar | 783 "dead" people |
| 00:01.38 | sanmarcos | dpkg knows his shit well |
| 00:01.58 | magyar | you bet |
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| 00:05.37 | phaedrus_ | elllo |
| 00:05.39 | phaedrus_ | ! |
| 00:05.42 | bztunk | ! |
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| 00:06.35 | sanmarcos | so is there a psychologist in this channel? |
| 00:06.45 | bztunk | sanmarcos: try emacs instead |
| 00:06.55 | sanmarcos | it sucks I already tried |
| 00:07.04 | phaedrus_ | im a nurse and ive worked in psychiatry |
| 00:07.07 | azeem | sanmarcos: this channel is about Debian support |
| 00:07.10 | phaedrus_ | : ) |
| 00:07.42 | phaedrus_ | is there an itunes for debian or something like that? |
| 00:07.51 | sanmarcos | i go to one, she charges me 400 dollars a session, and she tells me things straight out, and I am like "wtf?", I pay you 400 dollars for 45 minuts, and you give me this? I was expecting a multimedia powerpoint presentation with lasers and smoke, and a magic wand to fix my problems |
| 00:07.59 | sanmarcos | phaedrus_, rhythmbox, amarok, banshee |
| 00:08.24 | bztunk | sanmarcos: what the fuck? |
| 00:08.25 | phaedrus_ | can i run itunes? |
| 00:08.29 | k-god | phaedrus_: apt-cache search podcast as well. |
| 00:08.40 | sanmarcos | phaedrus_, yes, with wine |
| 00:08.42 | k-god | phaedrus_: Not natively. Possibly w/ WINE. |
| 00:08.50 | phaedrus_ | cool |
| 00:08.50 | sanmarcos | bztunk, yes, what the fuck man, I told her that |
| 00:09.18 | bztunk | sanmarcos: you're having fun being drunk and IRC at the same time? |
| 00:09.40 | sanmarcos | I dont have money to buy beer, I am working on fixing a Debian system (unstable,. blah) |
| 00:09.46 | phaedrus_ | sanmarcos |
| 00:09.50 | sanmarcos | you know; I have to finish this, else Ill get sodomized |
| 00:09.52 | phaedrus_ | have you run itunes with wine? |
| 00:10.02 | Vasistha | phaedrus_: checked out gtkpod? |
| 00:10.02 | sanmarcos | phaedrus_, no, why would you want to run itunes with wine? |
| 00:10.10 | sanmarcos | phaedrus_, seriously, see banshee, or rhytmbox, or amarok |
| 00:10.11 | sanmarcos | whatever you want |
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| 00:13.22 | sanmarcos | man and yeah, udev is driving me nuts |
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| 00:14.23 | Mr-5150 | how do i log into proftd i just installed it last night and i cant log to it |
| 00:14.32 | Mr-5150 | its there a default user name?? |
| 00:14.51 | sanmarcos | Mr-5150, just your unix usernames |
| 00:15.10 | bztunk | and anonymous if you turned it on |
| 00:16.13 | Mr-5150 | ok i'll try anonymous, and ye its turn on |
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| 00:17.49 | Mr-5150 | ok it worked :) |
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| 00:18.13 | Mr-5150 | i just used my user name thanks sanmarcos |
| 00:18.35 | sanmarcos | yeah, you should configure that shit |
| 00:18.39 | sanmarcos | in proftpd.conf |
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| 00:18.43 | sanmarcos | disable root, anonymous, etc |
| 00:18.46 | Mr-5150 | sweet thanks |
| 00:19.32 | Mr-5150 | i tried all of them, i think they are disabled already |
| 00:19.37 | Mr-5150 | but i'll have a look still |
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| 00:19.54 | phaedrus_ | i mounted my ipod shuffle by doing mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ipod |
| 00:19.57 | phaedrus_ | is that rite? |
| 00:20.21 | Vasistha | phaedrus_: sounds pretty good, that's how usb-connected drives are often mounted |
| 00:20.27 | bztunk | it's good G |
| 00:20.38 | phaedrus_ | hmmm. |
| 00:20.49 | phaedrus_ | i have no directories on this thing at all |
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| 00:21.09 | dvs | phaedrus_: do you have fils? |
| 00:21.13 | dvs | files even |
| 00:21.28 | bztunk | hum actually i don't think that the ipod can me mounted as a usb storage device |
| 00:21.36 | bztunk | you need a custom program |
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| 00:21.40 | bztunk | i think |
| 00:21.41 | raf256_ | help |
| 00:21.43 | raf256_ | in unstable my console fonts are fucked up and totally unreadable |
| 00:21.47 | raf256_ | any idea why that might be and how to fix (which package I should downgrade)? |
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| 00:22.12 | phaedrus_ | dvs: no files at all on the pod |
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| 00:22.33 | phaedrus_ | not even ipod directories |
| 00:22.40 | sanmarcos | bztunk, no |
| 00:22.45 | sanmarcos | its just usb mass storage with hfs or vfat |
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| 00:23.00 | sanmarcos | but all their conf shit is propietraryç |
| 00:23.03 | kali67 | I have a custom configured system with Tyan s5350/s5350-1u motherboard on which I'm trying to install Debian 3.1 r2 . I have two 80 GB configured in Raid 1 but the debian installer sees it as 2 separtate hd . I'm confused . I was expecting to see one hd |
| 00:23.04 | sanmarcos | so you need something like gtkpod |
| 00:23.09 | Vasistha | raf256_: I've had that happen. Have you tried just changing the font, or do you know how? |
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| 00:23.23 | raf256_ | Vasistha: I dunno - how to change it? |
| 00:23.24 | dondelelcaro | kali67: it's probably software raid |
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| 00:23.32 | rudenstam | how does one remove a password from a user so it can't be used with ssh ? |
| 00:23.38 | Vasistha | raf256_: depends which console you're using. kde/gnome/? |
| 00:23.50 | dvs | kali67: the Raid 1 is configured in BIOS and linux doesn't care about the BIOS |
| 00:23.50 | phaedrus_ | sanmarcos: i am using gtkpod and it says ther are no directories... |
| 00:24.01 | honschu | Why isn't it possible to install debian-sparc (sarge) by cdrom? |
| 00:24.01 | phaedrus_ | and i checked the mount point it was looking for and it is the same |
| 00:24.04 | dondelelcaro | rudenstam: passwd -l or similar will do it; otherwise disable password authentication for that user if you want them to be able to log in from the console |
| 00:24.05 | raf256_ | Vasistha: hmm no, I ment - the virtual terminal |
| 00:24.18 | Vasistha | raf256_: ooh. I don't remember how to change that font, but there IS a way |
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| 00:24.28 | kali67 | dvs: hmm, good point , so what can be done ? |
| 00:24.51 | raf256_ | anyone had a problem with virtual terminal font veeing screwed up? it fails after full bootup is done, after X is loaded (Xorg, nvidia) |
| 00:24.55 | dvs | kali67: hope for a linux IDE chipset driver |
| 00:25.05 | raf256_ | it worked fine before I did few upgrades |
| 00:25.41 | kali67 | dvs: The drives are SATA and the motherboard manual says it is embedded Adaptec RAid |
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| 00:25.53 | Vasistha | Other tools |
| 00:25.53 | Vasistha | consolechars - Load console screen font (was called setfont). The directory "/usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts/" is the default directory for fonts. "/usr/lib/kbd/consoletrans" is the default directory for ACM's and SFM's. |
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| 00:26.32 | Vasistha | raf256_: I have a /usr/bin/consolechars maybe you do too |
| 00:26.45 | Schiz0 | If I extract the files in the netinst installer, and put them on a USB flash drive, could I boot off the flash drive and install? Instead of using a CD? My motherboard supports booting off USB devices, but I'm not sure if this would work or not |
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| 00:27.08 | zinx | Schiz0: No. |
| 00:27.14 | bztunk | Schiz0: you need a bootloader still |
| 00:27.14 | Schiz0 | damn. Alrighty. |
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| 00:28.05 | clarity_ | is there anything I have to do after apt-get installiing the new kernel? |
| 00:28.17 | dvs | clarity_: image? reboot |
| 00:28.22 | clarity_ | I did the liloconfig jazz but when I boot it, it drops into a shell |
| 00:29.11 | bztunk | you probably don't have the filesystem drivers or something |
| 00:29.17 | kali67 | dvs: what confuses me is that I installed 3.1r2 on another server which had a 3 ware raid controller card and on that Debian saw only one hard drive . In this scenario too I was expecting to see one HD . |
| 00:29.38 | bztunk | kali67: debian doesn't support all raid drives heh |
| 00:29.47 | clarity_ | I just did "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.16-1" |
| 00:29.53 | clarity_ | do I need to install anything else? |
| 00:29.58 | bztunk | hum no |
| 00:30.11 | dvs | kali67: 3ware is a hardware RAID controller |
| 00:30.13 | bztunk | maybe the official 2.6.16 image is fucked up |
| 00:30.17 | bztunk | check the bts |
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| 00:30.30 | foo | # date --set="Fri May 26 01:29:07 GMT 2006" |
| 00:30.30 | foo | Thu May 25 18:29:07 PDT 2006 |
| 00:30.34 | foo | Hm, is there something wrong with that? |
| 00:30.48 | bztunk | why would they be? |
| 00:30.56 | kali67 | dvs: Yes, and am assuming that the raid 1 on the Tyan motherboard is also H/w Raid Controller |
| 00:31.04 | dvs | kali67: no, it isn't |
| 00:31.04 | unix_infidel | foo: depends ony our time zone. |
| 00:31.16 | kali67 | dvs: oh ? |
| 00:31.17 | foo | unix_infidel: Right, but I mean the command. |
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| 00:32.31 | dvs | kali67: most of the RAID stuff on motherboards are software RAID in the BIOS. |
| 00:32.31 | kali67 | dvs: oh, oh, it is a s/w raid that will only work with Windows as they use the Bios ? |
| 00:32.44 | unix_infidel | foo: i'm not sure that's how you set date. |
| 00:33.01 | kali67 | dvs: Thanks, that certainly clears up my confusion |
| 00:33.03 | unix_infidel | i usually just have a command saved up in a back up script. |
| 00:33.23 | dvs | kali67: it will work if you can find the right drivers in the Linux kernel, which is very rare for Adaptec. |
| 00:33.35 | foo | unix_infidel: hmm, ok. |
| 00:34.45 | kali67 | dvs: hmm, so the best option would be to disable RAID in the bios and go for s/w raid in Linux ?bummer |
| 00:34.59 | dvs | kali67: Yeah. |
| 00:35.24 | dvs | kali67: Oh. Linux RAID isn't bad. |
| 00:35.34 | dvs | kali67: or so I hear |
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| 00:37.12 | oomph | would anyone here happen to speak russian? |
| 00:37.21 | bztunk | no. |
| 00:37.23 | bztunk | bye. |
| 00:37.24 | thingfish | I can understand a little of it. |
| 00:37.34 | dvs | Nyet |
| 00:37.37 | thingfish | but nothing too complicated. |
| 00:37.39 | kali67 | dvs: I was hoping to avoid that. I was planning to use the MB Raid to mirror the O/S and I'm installing a 3ware card to do Raid 5 on the 3 250 GB SATA HD I have |
| 00:37.51 | petn-randall | nostrovje |
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| 00:37.56 | oomph | i was hoping to write something to my girlfriend |
| 00:38.09 | oomph | if anyone can help a moment would be much appreciated |
| 00:38.25 | oomph | i know its not debian related my apologies |
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| 00:38.29 | kali67 | dvs: so , now the option is s/w raid 1 for the O/S and H/w Raid 5 for the Data. Would that work ? |
| 00:38.43 | oomph | but IRC is a good place to find russians heh |
| 00:38.44 | clarity_ | ah |
| 00:38.46 | clarity_ | hda turned to sda |
| 00:39.10 | dvs | kali67: That should word. |
| 00:39.14 | dvs | work |
| 00:39.35 | kali67 | dvs: Thanks for your help. Much appreciated |
| 00:39.38 | bztunk | oomph: can you give me allmusic.com credit or something :D |
| 00:39.42 | dvs | you're welcome |
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| 00:39.54 | oomph | hehe, its like 3 words |
| 00:40.14 | thingfish | what 3 words? |
| 00:40.50 | oomph | me letting her know how much i love her, she speaks perfect english but im away on a business trip and havent talked much to her the past week |
| 00:40.58 | pngwn | oomph, run it through babelfish or something...you're off topic in here |
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| 00:41.02 | oomph | thought id surprise her |
| 00:41.13 | oomph | yeah i tried but often times they word it wrong |
| 00:41.18 | brett | anybody here get xcompmgr to work in debian unstable? |
| 00:41.18 | thingfish | yeah come on it's way off topic. |
| 00:41.22 | oomph | nm, thanks anyway |
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| 00:41.28 | thingfish | I shouldn't have encouraged you. |
| 00:41.43 | petn-randall | yeah, try to impress her by asking totally strangers to give you some sentence in a language you don't speak ... |
| 00:41.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:41.56 | oomph | well i know how to say it |
| 00:42.03 | oomph | just not how to correctly write it heh |
| 00:42.09 | thingfish | yeah if I weren't trustworthy, you could be in for a lot of trouble. ;) |
| 00:42.15 | oomph | haha |
| 00:42.25 | petn-randall | and that on irc ... as if people on irc would never try to fuck you over if they have the chance |
| 00:42.44 | oomph | i was just trying to make a kind gesture, can ya blame me |
| 00:42.56 | Vasistha | Yer codgy mink's a bahl burlappin' |
| 00:43.13 | thingfish | ...ok... |
| 00:43.30 | Vasistha | thingfish: just responding to the invitation to give a sentence in a language we don't speak |
| 00:43.53 | thingfish | Vasistha: yeah but is that *anyone's* real language hehe? |
| 00:44.47 | Vasistha | thingfish: that is an obscure and almost extinct dialect from Booneville, California; however at one time nearly everyone in the town spoke it, to the extent that they sometimes had trouble reverting to proper english |
| 00:45.01 | thingfish | wow, kind of cool, actually |
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| 00:45.50 | Vasistha | thingfish: yeah, the dialect is called "Boontling", you can google for it, it's quite a riot to read about |
| 00:46.02 | Smerdyakov | Does anyone know what group I should add my user to to let him use gphoto2 (access digital camera over USB)? |
| 00:46.03 | thingfish | Vasistha: neat |
| 00:46.36 | GeorgeAScot1 | anybody have wireless usb mouse probs? |
| 00:47.25 | GeorgeAScot1 | i added sendcoreevents true and it worked for a moment but quit again on restart |
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| 00:47.58 | Vasistha | Smerdyakov: do you know what device the camera is being mounted as? Or if it is being properly mounted at all? |
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| 00:48.16 | Smerdyakov | Vasistha, it works as root, so I know it must be a permission problem. |
| 00:48.23 | Smerdyakov | Vasistha, but I don't know device. |
| 00:48.44 | Vasistha | GeorgeAScot1: Have you tested non-wireless usb mouse functionality to get the kinks out? I think that's what I would do first |
| 00:48.56 | GeorgeAScot1 | i would if i had one |
| 00:48.56 | dvs | Smerdyakov: try camera |
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| 00:49.06 | Vasistha | Smerdyakov: well, while it is mounted, type 'mounts' in a console |
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| 00:49.34 | Smerdyakov | dvs, already tried that. :-( |
| 00:49.52 | dvs | Smerdyakov: did you log out and back in again. |
| 00:49.53 | tuv | should restarting ntp-server sync the clock? |
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| 00:50.18 | Smerdyakov | dvs, yes; I closed the terminal and started a new one. |
| 00:50.28 | Smerdyakov | dvs, or do I need to log out of XWindows? |
| 00:50.36 | dvs | Smerdyakov: no. log out of X |
| 00:50.40 | Smerdyakov | OK. BRB, then! |
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| 00:51.40 | Smerdyakov | Eh, no help. :( |
| 00:53.02 | GeorgeAScot1 | how do you scroll up in a terminal window without mouse? |
| 00:53.12 | Kyral | ShiftPGUP |
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| 00:53.31 | GeorgeAScot1 | ah... that's why cntrl pgup wasn't working ;) |
| 00:54.09 | simonrvn | !xwindows |
| 00:54.09 | dpkg | i heard xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
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| 01:02.17 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:02.47 | CHodapp | I just had a bad Fedora experience . . . Debian won't try to do everything for me and then fail and then prevent me from doing it myself....right? |
| 01:03.02 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:03.19 | dvs | CHodapp: right. You can choose the order of steps if you want |
| 01:03.27 | GeorgeAScot1 | ok.. and it's working again... i bet it stops after a restart though.... |
| 01:03.28 | simonrvn | it won't try to handhold you and get in your way and be generally obnoxious |
| 01:03.36 | CHodapp | Is netinstall pretty straightforward? |
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| 01:03.40 | dondelelcaro | CHodapp: yes. |
| 01:03.40 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 01:03.48 | dvs | CHodapp: if you have a highspeed internet access |
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| 01:04.15 | CHodapp | I'm on a university LAN that's on crack... I hope it's easy to get to a terminal and get to lynx so I can log in first. |
| 01:04.36 | simonrvn | even iso or burned cd + floppy boot or bootx + iso is quite doable. or 3 floppies, or just the cd, or netboot .... you have options ;) |
| 01:05.21 | dvs | what about a USB drive? |
| 01:05.22 | CHodapp | bootx? |
| 01:05.28 | nn | ?? can some one check out my monopd deamon at srv256.homelinux.net port is the defult |
| 01:05.29 | simonrvn | a mac ppc thing |
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| 01:06.03 | kibl | Hello, if I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, where does it save the configuration file? |
| 01:06.14 | simonrvn | i've heard it's doable (usb key or whatever) |
| 01:06.26 | simonrvn | kibl: /etc/X11 |
| 01:06.28 | CHodapp | What sorta stuff will it try to hold my hand through? Just curious. |
| 01:06.39 | dvs | kibl: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:06.46 | kibl | simonrvn: what do I do if it doesn't save it there? |
| 01:06.48 | simonrvn | basic config with debconf. informative message plus some options |
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| 01:07.03 | CHodapp | Networking? X? Hardware? |
| 01:07.22 | simonrvn | kibl: it's supposed to. try again. did you edit the conf? if so do /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 01:07.32 | CHodapp | Meh. It probably doesn't matter. I'm used to Slackware. |
| 01:07.57 | kibl | simonrvn: what does /msg dpkg xmd5 mean? |
| 01:08.24 | simonrvn | kibl: means /msg the bot from your irc client |
| 01:08.33 | kibl | simonrvn: ok, thanks. |
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| 01:10.26 | dvs | CHodapp: you can get a Slackware like install by specifying the "expert" option |
| 01:10.31 | kibl | simonrvn: that msg is regarding xfree86, but i'm trying to use xorg |
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| 01:11.17 | simonrvn | it still applies |
| 01:11.41 | simonrvn | though it'd probably be /var/lib/xorg (i think) |
| 01:11.55 | kibl | simonrvn: so should my configuration file be xorg.conf or should it be XF86Config-4? |
| 01:12.02 | simonrvn | xorg.conf |
| 01:13.00 | fourat | am running a script into a loop, it's a php script, it works on first loops (3-10 iterations) and then, the php script does not respond and freezes, the paren loop freezes waiting for the php script to unfreeze and return to the parent loop, i would like to detect when the script freezes, ps give STAT=R and stay forever, it happens when server is swaping and the script does not get enough memory to run so it blocks there. |
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| 01:13.16 | kibl | simonrvn: ok I'll give it a try |
| 01:15.54 | CHodapp | dvs, thanks for the tip... it's not so much the installation I like in Slack, it's the "staying out of your way" strategy instead of "doing it for you and fucking it up" strategy. I have issues finding packages for Slack sometimes... and library hell with GNOME anytime I have to compile... so I guess Debian offers its massive repository, which will help. |
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| 01:16.26 | bnovc | does anyone know of a good explained example of limits.conf |
| 01:16.53 | dvs | CHodapp: you can almost always go back to previous options if you want to do them over |
| 01:17.06 | bnovc | would i just stick in something like "someuser hard priority 999" and then someuser's stuff would get the lowest priority? |
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| 01:17.46 | simonrvn | CHodapp: yup. like dvs said, you can always re-run the debconf stuff if you want (dpkg-reconfigure <package>) |
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| 01:18.10 | CHodapp | Cool. |
| 01:18.14 | bnovc | i'm not sure what this really means, is this the time each process can run? # - cpu - max CPU time (MIN) |
| 01:18.17 | Gokee2 | How do you find the size of a directry AND its contents in the konsole? I always end up having to open konqerer to find it |
| 01:18.24 | dvs | Not even that. You can hit <ESC> and the installer will present a list of options |
| 01:18.27 | bnovc | Gokee2, df -h * |
| 01:18.29 | samuel | what is a good linux to run on amd64 bit machines? a 64 bit linux? |
| 01:18.46 | bnovc | Gokee2, er du |
| 01:19.00 | pipeline | samuel: wtf would you want 64 bit linux for on an amd64 machine? |
| 01:19.01 | simonrvn | du -skh /some/dir |
| 01:19.13 | Gokee2 | bnovc, that told me the size of the drive and how much I used a bunch of times |
| 01:19.19 | bnovc | Gokee2, yea du |
| 01:19.23 | bnovc | Gokee2, du -hc /dir |
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| 01:20.05 | kibl | simonrvn: I'm not sure of exactly what command to run. Is it: md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/X11/xorg.conf.md5sum ? (this is just a guess) |
| 01:20.29 | simonrvn | yeh. you can try it out first without the redirection |
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| 01:20.44 | Gokee2 | bnovc, whats hc for? I know what h is.. whats c? |
| 01:20.55 | diego_ | XGL in debian sid amd64?????????? |
| 01:21.02 | bnovc | Gokee2, gives you a total at the end |
| 01:21.15 | simonrvn | -s is summary |
| 01:21.22 | Gokee2 | bnovc, end? what do yuo mean? |
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| 01:21.27 | simonrvn | man du |
| 01:21.48 | brownie17 | when browsing in nautilus, how do i change the settings so when i click a folder it opens in the same window, rather than a new one? |
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| 01:22.00 | kibl | simonrvn: then it just prints to stdout. |
| 01:22.18 | simonrvn | yeh, i know. |
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| 01:22.56 | Gokee2 | Ah I see the grand total is at the bottem :) |
| 01:23.03 | kibl | simonrvn: I'm hoping to find a command that restores xorg.conf to a working version. |
| 01:23.32 | brownie17 | has anyone here seen bbc show called the mighty boosh |
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| 01:24.38 | simonrvn | kibl: that ^^ will help. that's how debconf sees if you edited the conf. back your conf up, do that ^^, then re-run the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again to get it |
| 01:24.43 | tainted_ | can i ask a question about RAM? |
| 01:24.45 | kibl | simonrvn: btw, I should mention that this xorg.conf file that I'm using is one that I found under the name /etc/X11/xorg.conf.<date> and I simply coppied it to xorg.conf |
| 01:25.01 | kibl | simonrvn: ah, ok. |
| 01:25.25 | dvs | tainted_: animals are off-topic here |
| 01:25.42 | tainted_ | if i have a server that is rated to handle PC3200 DDR2 RAM, can i put in DDR2 667 PC 5400 RAM? |
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| 01:26.46 | kibl | simonrvn: ok, I've now re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but, although I don't see any error messages, the modification date of xorg.conf appears not to have changed. |
| 01:27.10 | simonrvn | it should have. if it hasn't there's (obviously) a problem |
| 01:27.41 | Minerale | what does "authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info" mean -- I'm trying to change the password |
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| 01:28.22 | kibl | simonrvn: are there any other ways to try to restore xorg.conf to the package version of the file? |
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| 01:28.36 | simonrvn | means it couldn't find it for some backend problem reason |
| 01:28.57 | simonrvn | kibl: back up; touch xorg.conf; dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:29.12 | simonrvn | oh and the md5sum command |
| 01:30.17 | CHodapp | are most of you on stable or testing? |
| 01:30.50 | simonrvn | i personally run testing or unstable. i run some stable boxen away from here |
| 01:31.11 | CHodapp | Encounter many bad bugs in the testing branch? |
| 01:32.45 | kibl | simonrvn: ok, I tried all three steps, and still the modification date hasn't changed |
| 01:33.38 | unix_infidel | how do i remove old debs that i've installed? |
| 01:33.39 | simonrvn | well, that's the usual stuff. i don't know then. |
| 01:33.54 | simonrvn | unix_infidel: apt-get {auto-}clean |
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| 01:34.21 | unix_infidel | simonrvn: what's the threshold on that command in days? |
| 01:34.38 | simonrvn | should take seconds, if that |
| 01:34.44 | unix_infidel | simonrvn: nono. |
| 01:34.53 | unix_infidel | for outdated packages. |
| 01:35.27 | simonrvn | depends. could be days for stable, or every day for unstable |
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| 01:36.36 | kibl | simonrvn: if I look at the first line of my xorg.conf file, it says XF86Config-4 - is that a problem? |
| 01:36.37 | simonrvn | CHodapp: very rarely if at all |
| 01:36.54 | simonrvn | not if it's commented =) |
| 01:37.19 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 01:37.39 | Minerale | simonrvn: i'm trying to fix the "authentication service" -- I dont even know where to start |
| 01:37.53 | tesla | Ack |
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| 01:38.13 | tesla | Okay, umm, in BitchX here... is there a way to change the resolution of the X server from the CLI? |
| 01:38.24 | tesla | Like, X is currently running, but I'm not using it right now |
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| 01:38.27 | jetscreamer | !drxx tesla |
| 01:38.27 | dpkg | tesla: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:38.33 | simonrvn | start by setting debug in the appropriate /etc/pam.d files |
| 01:38.46 | jetscreamer | then restart the xserver |
| 01:38.51 | tesla | jetscreamer: No, I mean while it's running. |
| 01:39.00 | tesla | There's no way to do it without restarting it? |
| 01:39.02 | jetscreamer | --nohup maybe i dunno |
| 01:39.06 | SirFunk | hmm.... is there any good way to do more than just copy /etc/skel to /home/user when a user gets created, like are there any decet packages that will say, make a httpd conf from a tempalte for new users? |
| 01:39.10 | jetscreamer | there's a relod config option i 'think' |
| 01:39.20 | tesla | I mean I can just restart it now but I wanted to save my applications etc. |
| 01:39.42 | tesla | It's running at 640x480 and my wm fucked up so I cannot change it back to 1600x1200 |
| 01:39.44 | simonrvn | SirFunk: keep reading. there's a little-known adduser.local.conf (exact name?) |
| 01:40.03 | tesla | And I can't see anything... so I did Ctrl+alt+F1 to get out and logon here with BitchX |
| 01:40.40 | tesla | And I'm just wondering if it can be running in the background and I can change the resolution from here by passing it some command or something and then if I went back it would be fine again |
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| 01:41.07 | tesla | Like tell the X server to switch to 1600x1200 while it's running but not in use... |
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| 01:41.12 | tesla | Anyone know how to do that? |
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| 01:41.48 | nn2 | what was the comand to tell what is conected to your server |
| 01:42.02 | simonrvn | only if you have more than one mode in the display section |
| 01:42.05 | tuv | should restarting ntp-server sync the clock? |
| 01:42.09 | simonrvn | tesla: ^^ |
| 01:42.23 | shogunx | nn2 netstat -a |
| 01:42.34 | nn2 | thanks |
| 01:42.35 | simonrvn | then you'd do ctrl-alt-numpad -/+ |
| 01:42.40 | tesla | simonrvn: I do... I normall run X at 1600x1200 |
| 01:42.53 | tesla | I just want it to be changed from 640x480 |
| 01:42.59 | tesla | Oh, really, when I'm in X? |
| 01:43.32 | tesla | simonrvn: Hmm, that didn't work. |
| 01:43.40 | simonrvn | er, screen section sorry. 'Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"' |
| 01:43.43 | simonrvn | e.g. |
| 01:44.04 | intx_ | I've created a backport package for oidentd, how do I submit it? |
| 01:44.24 | simonrvn | ask the backports.org people |
| 01:44.26 | tesla | Yeah it's in the screen secton all right... |
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| 01:45.25 | tesla | In fact 1600x1200 is listed first, and 640x480 is listed last, with about 4 in between (SVGA, XGA, UXGA I believe) |
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| 01:45.46 | simonrvn | remove the 640x480 |
| 01:46.01 | tesla | Well I would have to restart X for that to take effect wouldn't I? |
| 01:46.08 | simonrvn | yes :/ |
| 01:46.25 | tesla | But I mean I like having the *ability* to use 640x480, I just want to swich it right now |
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| 01:46.35 | Hatter | if I put a new module in /etc/modules, say the libata module, do I then need to rebuild the initrd ? |
| 01:46.41 | simonrvn | oh. i mis-understood then. sorry |
| 01:47.05 | tesla | And I know how to edit my xorg.conf and restart X, but I'm wondering how to change X's resolution whileit's still running? |
| 01:47.07 | simonrvn | Hatter: different. have nothing to do with the other |
| 01:47.22 | tesla | Your Ctrl+Alt+Numpad+ and - sounded good but it didn't work... |
| 01:47.25 | nn2 | somthing is connected to my web server but dosent have a host name or ip?? |
| 01:47.42 | nn2 | or not a tracable one |
| 01:47.42 | simonrvn | ther than the keystrokes, and the gome/kde shite, i don't know of a way |
| 01:47.53 | tesla | Okay thanks, I'll just restart it. |
| 01:48.10 | simonrvn | i could have it off, might be ctrl-shift |
| 01:48.19 | Hatter | simonrvn: thx, so if i put the wrong module in /etc/modules should i see it fail whilst booting before I get to cannot open /dev/console ? |
| 01:48.28 | simonrvn | no, it is ctrl-alt |
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| 01:49.33 | simonrvn | not opening dev/console means it couldn't mount anything - due to missing bus or other driver |
| 01:49.34 | Hatter | trying to get a sata drive working, but I can't figure out which module i need, the chipset is Intel ICH2 |
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| 01:50.08 | Hatter | simonrv: right, meaning i don't have the corect driver for the sata chipset |
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| 01:53.00 | seer | anybody feel like helping with mounting problems? |
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| 01:53.35 | shogunx | Hatter thats the pata driver, iirc. |
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| 01:55.01 | seer | can anyone tell me why cfdisk wont let me change partition types to linux extended? |
| 01:55.21 | Hatter | shogunx: hmmm, the drive is sata, are you thinking that the ICH2 is a pata chipset ? |
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| 01:57.16 | shogunx | Most of those ICH chips require the pata kernel driver, iirc. |
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| 01:57.30 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 01:57.56 | Hatter | do you know what the pata driver is called ? |
| 01:58.06 | seer | i need a little help with creating and mounting partitions |
| 01:58.34 | shogunx | its in the ide interfaces section of the kernel config i think. hold on i'll look Hatter. |
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| 01:59.39 | Hatter | sogunx: thx |
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| 02:02.34 | denmaeth | whats with the firefox update? |
| 02:02.46 | Snake-Eyes | how does one interpret load average /proc/loadavg) ? |
| 02:02.49 | denmaeth | It jack my system up |
| 02:02.54 | patterson | squid |
| 02:03.10 | patterson | er calamari and wrong room |
| 02:03.16 | patterson | heh |
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| 02:03.38 | shogunx | Hatter in ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL this one: Support for SATA (deprecated; conflicts with libata SATA |
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| 02:05.44 | bjohnson | what could be wrong with a laptop that doesn't even get to bios? loose RAM? bad battery? it worked yesterday |
| 02:06.41 | shogunx | bjohnson most of the ribbon cable/ molex type connectors in there being loose could cause that. |
| 02:06.47 | shogunx | depending on the lap. |
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| 02:07.59 | seer | aanyone wanna give some help with creating and mounting partitions |
| 02:08.02 | stoned | my pc froze up, completely, for no reason at all, one second I am tying, next second it just froze, i had to hardreboot again |
| 02:08.08 | stoned | this is bullcrap |
| 02:08.11 | GeorgeAScot1 | ok...mouse works now.. sorta...browser buttons and the scroll wheel are mixmatched though |
| 02:08.35 | shogunx | stoned ? anything in /var/log/messages? |
| 02:08.43 | GeorgeAScot1 | i've tried changing the button mapping.. but no luck yet.. |
| 02:08.57 | stoned | shogunx, about to check heh |
| 02:09.14 | Hatter | shogunx: thx, i will check |
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| 02:09.56 | shogunx | Hatter. its not available as a module. |
| 02:10.18 | shogunx | stoned maybe a kernel panic man. |
| 02:10.30 | stoned | nothing in there |
| 02:10.31 | stoned | hmm |
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| 02:10.42 | shogunx | /var/log/messages.0? |
| 02:10.43 | stoned | honestly this is the 2nd time sid has ever crashed on me like this |
| 02:10.44 | Hatter | shogunx: ok thx. |
| 02:10.52 | shogunx | Hatter no problem |
| 02:11.05 | dn4 | time to go party in Austin TExas PEACE |
| 02:11.06 | seer | I created a partition of type linux, in cfdisk, wrote it rebooted, attampted to mount it by mount /dev/hda5 /hda5 and it says wrong type, attemp to use -t option with linux as fstype and says unknown filesystem |
| 02:11.30 | shogunx | seer you have to make a filesystem on it now. |
| 02:11.42 | seer | i knew it... but how |
| 02:11.55 | seer | pardon my lack of know how |
| 02:11.56 | shogunx | mke2fs /dev/hda5 for ext2 |
| 02:11.56 | Hatter | seer: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda5 |
| 02:12.04 | seer | kewl |
| 02:12.12 | seer | i can make sense out of thaqt thank you so much |
| 02:12.22 | stoned | I can't find anything around the time of the crash in those files |
| 02:12.24 | Hatter | shogunx: people still use ext2 ? |
| 02:12.43 | bnovc | would i put a very high or very low # in limits.conf for priority if i want it to be run behind everything else |
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| 02:13.16 | GeorgeAScot1 | high? |
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| 02:13.39 | shogunx | Hatter occasionally. same difference as ext3 if you have lots of battery and a stable system. |
| 02:13.50 | Hatter | shogunx: i accidentally did for a computer for my grandmother (yep a linux granny) and when she didn't shutdown correctly the ext2 had it's issues |
| 02:14.05 | simonrvn | bnovc: you mean to slow it down? high numbers, highest is 20 (actually 19) |
| 02:14.17 | shogunx | Hatter oh. well. i always tell them not to turn it off:) |
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| 02:14.41 | Hatter | shogunx: why would you we use ext2 when ext3 is available ? |
| 02:14.46 | bnovc | simonrvn, well i'm just trying to set it up so users that aren't system processes or my own user can't create infinite loops to destroy me |
| 02:14.52 | shogunx | no particular reason. |
| 02:14.58 | dli | Hatter, ext2 is harder :( jfs is extremely fast with journal replay |
| 02:15.01 | shogunx | i usually use 3, actually. |
| 02:15.02 | bnovc | i would do '* hard priority 20' and then set it to 1 for my user and process users? |
| 02:15.18 | Hatter | shogunx: hehe, no worries, was just making sure I'm not missing out on something |
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| 02:15.40 | simonrvn | bnovc: you want to limit their time, number of processes, etc. will only work with users that log in |
| 02:15.56 | Hatter | dli: i haven't used jfs, I will look into it |
| 02:15.59 | simonrvn | otherwise for (say daemons) you'd use ulimit |
| 02:16.12 | stoned | demons! |
| 02:16.14 | simonrvn | jfs and ext3 are nice. xfs too |
| 02:16.20 | analia | hello. someone tried to align heads of a epson c45 printer on a debian sarge system? just asking to those who did it. |
| 02:16.20 | stoned | little bitty demons running round your system |
| 02:16.31 | stoned | exorcise ! |
| 02:16.32 | simonrvn | doing things for you |
| 02:16.35 | bnovc | simonrvn, oh ok thats what i wanted then |
| 02:16.35 | dli | simonrvn, but I heard xfs is recommended for those with UPS |
| 02:16.39 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:16.46 | simonrvn | dli: not recommended |
| 02:16.51 | bnovc | simonrvn, what would i set for cpu? is that how long a single process can run? |
| 02:16.56 | dli | simonrvn, why not? |
| 02:17.10 | bnovc | simonrvn, i dont mind them running a couple background processes that aren't intense like an irc client so i was afraid that'd cut it off |
| 02:17.18 | simonrvn | it has issues with sudden power outage - files will end up with binary data in them |
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| 02:17.32 | simonrvn | ...if it hasn't been synced to disk properly |
| 02:17.45 | dli | simonrvn, yes, that's why recommended for those with UPS |
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| 02:18.03 | dli | simonrvn, jfs is quite robust with power failures |
| 02:18.06 | simonrvn | oh, duh. sorry. i'm tired, things not parsing well |
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| 02:18.15 | simonrvn | having issues with english |
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| 02:18.27 | seer | thanks you guys are the greatest |
| 02:18.40 | dli | simonrvn, but I found the real solution to power failure seems to be reiser4 |
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| 02:18.47 | simonrvn | my french and cree are working better :) |
| 02:18.48 | hejux | hi ,may i ask a non-debian question ? |
| 02:18.51 | yertyo | hello |
| 02:18.59 | dli | hejux, no |
| 02:19.09 | simonrvn | dli: eh? i wouldn't touch it. but that's me |
| 02:19.14 | hejux | does the new mac os X 10.4.6 require sse2 and sse3 ? |
| 02:19.26 | stoned | lol |
| 02:19.26 | dli | simonrvn, I now runs all reiser4 :) |
| 02:19.27 | simonrvn | hejux: OT |
| 02:19.28 | pipeline | hejux: It requires a Macintosh. |
| 02:19.41 | yertyo | no it doesnt |
| 02:19.54 | stoned | intels works fine |
| 02:20.09 | hejux | can i install it into amd barton 2500+ with only sse on ? |
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| 02:20.21 | dli | stoned, but who wants osx, it's not open |
| 02:20.25 | stoned | exactly |
| 02:20.31 | stoned | debian == pwnage |
| 02:20.32 | yertyo | ya os x sucks compared to debian |
| 02:20.52 | stoned | I've actually always like the mac interface, but thats about it |
| 02:20.56 | stoned | liked* |
| 02:20.56 | yertyo | hehe |
| 02:21.05 | yertyo | i like my fluxbox window manager better |
| 02:21.11 | stoned | yup |
| 02:21.15 | stoned | whatever works man |
| 02:21.19 | yertyo | word |
| 02:21.24 | dli | yertyo, I found the wm for me, metacity :) |
| 02:21.24 | stoned | hey wtf |
| 02:21.25 | stoned | I say word |
| 02:21.27 | stoned | haha |
| 02:21.39 | yertyo | ive tried metacity,it looks good |
| 02:21.41 | stoned | so far I was the only one in #debian to my knowledge who said word |
| 02:22.00 | yertyo | us weed smokers say word |
| 02:22.06 | stoned | shogunx, guy I couldn't find anything related to that time of crash, nothing in the logs |
| 02:22.10 | hejux | <yertyo> i love fluxbox too |
| 02:22.14 | yertyo | :D |
| 02:22.16 | stoned | shogunx, its like the crash didn't even happen to the computer |
| 02:22.22 | stoned | it was oblivious to it |
| 02:22.29 | stoned | strange man, very very odd |
| 02:22.47 | yertyo | ya fluxbox rules |
| 02:24.07 | yertyo | does anyone know how to scan a range of ip's with nmap? |
| 02:24.57 | litage | hey guys, i know that the first 3 #s within /proc/loadavg are the load average for the past 1, 5 and 15 minutes, but how do you interpret those numbers? ie: how do 0.28, 0.89, 1.27, etc compare to each other? |
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| 02:25.25 | stoned | yereth, use a /to seperate |
| 02:25.34 | stoned | yereth, 192.168.1.1/240 |
| 02:25.35 | stoned | etc. |
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| 02:25.43 | yertyo | thanks stoned |
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| 02:26.18 | stoned | NMP |
| 02:26.20 | stoned | NP* |
| 02:26.55 | stoned | yereth, man nmap /range |
| 02:27.14 | yertyo | ya i greped range from the man page but i didnt see that |
| 02:27.43 | yertyo | its not working |
| 02:27.49 | yertyo | 67.166.133/255.133/255 |
| 02:27.55 | yertyo | is that right? |
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| 02:28.50 | stoned | read around line 180-200 etc. in the manpage |
| 02:29.14 | yertyo | k thanks |
| 02:29.28 | stoned | I am not positive on this, I've never had the need to scan multiple ips |
| 02:29.42 | stoned | sorry |
| 02:30.30 | yertyo | ah i got it |
| 02:30.36 | yertyo | it goes like 67.166.133-255.133-255 |
| 02:30.44 | dli | jjazz, etch is better to me :) |
| 02:31.26 | jjazz | dli: This is an old laptop that's only going to be used as a thing client. I figured sarge would be a little less resource heavy (dunno if that's accurate). |
| 02:31.43 | Dewi | a thing client! |
| 02:31.52 | dli | jjazz, how much ram? |
| 02:31.55 | stoned | jjazz, damn small linux would be less resource heavy, but damn me for suggesting a non debian distro |
| 02:31.56 | stoned | ! |
| 02:32.03 | servus | As opposed to, say, Vista which is a Ms. Thang client? |
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| 02:32.10 | dli | jjazz, I think ram is critical for old ones |
| 02:32.16 | jjazz | dli: 128... it's not exactly starved... just not very robust |
| 02:32.22 | magyar | I need help with amavis |
| 02:32.37 | stoned | jjazz, what are the specs? |
| 02:32.38 | jjazz | stoned: I prefer debian. What can I say? I'm a distro bigot. |
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| 02:32.46 | yertyo | haha me too |
| 02:32.55 | K|NgGh0sT | Whats the highest kernel etch uses? I dont want to go sid |
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| 02:33.01 | dli | jjazz, compile kernel to squize |
| 02:33.18 | yertyo | 2.6.15-1 right now |
| 02:33.19 | stoned | jjazz, I don't play os/distro/wm/dm/editor wars, I just use whatever works, doesn't really matter what it is, as long as I get the job done the way I need it |
| 02:33.28 | jjazz | stoned: It's an 800 Mhz celeron with 128 mb ram. |
| 02:33.38 | dli | jjazz, squash |
| 02:33.46 | stoned | dude, I ran kde3.5 on a box like that for a long time without a problem |
| 02:34.02 | K|NgGh0sT | yertyo, what do I do to go upto that? |
| 02:34.03 | stoned | and if I can do something as crazy as that, with sid, you'll be fine with sarge |
| 02:34.03 | jjazz | stoned: Yeah, I was kidding about the bigotry. But keeping all my boxes on Debian lightens the admin overhead for me. |
| 02:34.05 | yertyo | i have linux on my 225 mhz 604e |
| 02:34.13 | stoned | jjazz, of course :) |
| 02:34.17 | pipeline | yertyo: What a waste. Install AIX. |
| 02:34.34 | yertyo | i dont think aix would run on it |
| 02:34.42 | yertyo | because its a mac clone |
| 02:34.54 | jjazz | stoned: This box is going to live on xdmcp, so I guess I won't sweat the difference in overhead between xfree and x.org |
| 02:35.19 | yertyo | K|NgGh0sT: I just did upgraded normally |
| 02:35.19 | stoned | xfree is ok |
| 02:37.11 | stoned | jjazz, I had a pc just like yours, and I needed more ram, so when I got the oppertunity for fix someone else's computer, they had 2 sticks of 128mb, and they had no idea what they were doing when it came to a computer, just an old guy wanting to occasionally check his mail, never even turns his computer on unless his kids send him pictures in email, so anyway, I stole a stick from him |
| 02:37.12 | yertyo | anyone playing quake 4? |
| 02:37.14 | jjazz | yertyo: The slowest thing I've run debian on was a 486 33Mhz with 12 mb of ram. I loved that computer. I finally retired it last year. |
| 02:37.19 | K|NgGh0sT | yertyo, what is etc, unstable or testing? |
| 02:37.29 | yertyo | its etch |
| 02:37.47 | stoned | jjazz, and then kde really ran smoothly on that pc |
| 02:37.52 | paroneayea | hm, a strange question: I've installed the r300 driver with libgl1-mesa-dri, and I'd like to give it a try |
| 02:37.55 | yertyo | 33mhz,damn that is slow |
| 02:37.55 | jjazz | stoned: stealing from old guys... that's not cool. You shoulda just bought it from him. Tell him he doesn't need it and give him $50. |
| 02:38.25 | paroneayea | but putting "r300" as my driver doesn't seem to get me anywhere in my xorg config |
| 02:38.26 | jjazz | yertyo: Compaq Contura Aero... that was a great laptop. 300 mb hard drive. |
| 02:38.27 | stoned | jjazz, hes not missing it, trust me, and I am not an immoral person, but in this case he really doesn't need that extra ram |
| 02:38.30 | paroneayea | nor does "r300_dri" |
| 02:38.34 | jjazz | stoned: fair enough |
| 02:38.45 | stoned | jjazz, plus he is very old, he'll die soon enough |
| 02:39.02 | magyar | how cam i configure amavis to pass "zipped" exe files? |
| 02:39.03 | jjazz | stoned: That's cold. |
| 02:39.06 | stoned | no more worries and troubles for him |
| 02:39.08 | stoned | why/ |
| 02:39.11 | jetscreamer | stoned: that really sucks. |
| 02:39.14 | servus | Probably while waiting for his grandchildrens' photos to download. It's so slow after stoned came to fix his computer!.. |
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| 02:39.19 | jjazz | stoned: I guess he won't be missing his ram in the hereafter. |
| 02:39.26 | paroneayea | do I need to make it aware of the /usr/lib/dri/ directory or something? |
| 02:39.32 | jjazz | servus: ha! |
| 02:40.08 | stoned | well if you believe in all your jesus talk, and bleieve in your god, and you really believe that you're going to a better place after you die, then why are you worried about dying? Hell you should be estatic. If your child baby dies, you should call your friends up on the phone and say oh man im so happy, my baby is in a better place |
| 02:40.18 | stoned | im sorry, just looking for consistency, and finding none |
| 02:40.19 | jetscreamer | the lack of integrity also sucks |
| 02:40.23 | stoned | I'll get back on topic |
| 02:40.26 | yertyo | HAHAHAHAHA! |
| 02:40.26 | stoned | debian rules! |
| 02:40.27 | stoned | :D |
| 02:40.57 | jetscreamer | wtf is honor anyway |
| 02:41.04 | jjazz | stoned: I'm not into the jesus. Using somebody's impending death as a justification for stealing from them is cold. |
| 02:41.10 | servus | apt-get install hexedit: Wants to remove KDE. apt-get remove vim: Wants to remove KDE. Soon enough, apt-get moo will be requesting that I uninstall glibc. |
| 02:41.28 | stoned | jjazz, well, I fixed up his pc, reinstalled and remove viruses for free, I considered it my fee |
| 02:41.33 | stoned | it took me a good frew hours to fix it |
| 02:41.39 | jetscreamer | servus: sounds like it's trying to install khexedit at the same time, or khexedit depends on an older version |
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| 02:41.49 | devnull | hello |
| 02:41.50 | kspath | perhaps I should put replies to stoned on ignore as well |
| 02:41.52 | yertyo | hello |
| 02:41.59 | kspath | yellow |
| 02:42.07 | jetscreamer | servus: try finding out the deps and only run that version till it's fixed |
| 02:42.13 | servus | Not khexedit, just hexedit. apt-get randomly decides to demand the uninstallation of random essential packages at its very whim! |
| 02:42.14 | stoned | kspath, and I care why exactly...? |
| 02:42.21 | jjazz | stoned: Yeah, it might have been a fair deal, but in the absence of his agreement to that deal, the fairness is sort of beside the point. |
| 02:42.25 | devnull | does anybody know of a way to query installed packages by date/time they were installed? |
| 02:42.32 | stoned | jjazz, yeh, its all good, sorry I brought it up |
| 02:42.51 | jetscreamer | but if you already have khexedit installed, and it depends on an older version of hexedit or something... |
| 02:43.02 | jjazz | stoned: I'm not judging you. Just commenting and reacting. Anyway... |
| 02:43.16 | jetscreamer | !judge stoned |
| 02:43.17 | stoned | its all good man, I'm not worried about it |
| 02:43.20 | servus | They are unrelated! That is the point I was making - that apt-get goes absolutely haywire far too often with no good reason. |
| 02:43.26 | stoned | !hug jetscreamer |
| 02:43.30 | stoned | hi there |
| 02:43.33 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 02:43.34 | dpkg | i heard dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 02:43.41 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 02:43.41 | dpkg | well, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 02:43.55 | stoned | hit enter a lot, lol |
| 02:44.04 | jetscreamer | oh yeah |
| 02:44.07 | jetscreamer | i remember you now |
| 02:44.13 | jetscreamer | you sucked then too iirc |
| 02:44.23 | jetscreamer | but not quite in the same way |
| 02:44.27 | Smerdyakov | What's the easiest way to encyrypt a file using a PGP key? |
| 02:44.33 | jetscreamer | and you had another nick |
| 02:44.37 | jetscreamer | what was it |
| 02:44.42 | stoned | jetscreamer, no, im not whoever you think I am |
| 02:44.47 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 02:44.48 | jetscreamer | you are |
| 02:44.54 | stoned | I've always been stoned |
| 02:44.59 | johnsu01 | Smerdyakov: eh, gpg --encrypt file ? |
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| 02:45.01 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 02:45.05 | GeorgeAScot1 | where's xmopmap? |
| 02:45.07 | jetscreamer | except at the first |
| 02:45.09 | jetscreamer | xmodmap |
| 02:45.13 | GeorgeAScot1 | modmap |
| 02:45.14 | Smerdyakov | johnsu01, where does it get the key? |
| 02:45.24 | johnsu01 | Smerdyakov: from your local keyring |
| 02:45.25 | overflow | GeorgeAScot1, which xmodmap |
| 02:45.26 | overflow | /usr/bin/xmodmap |
| 02:45.33 | jjazz | Smerdyakov: there's a bunch of encrypted file system resources using fuse. Google for them. |
| 02:45.53 | GeorgeAScot1 | ah... the one i need to reverse buttons 4 5 6 and 7 |
| 02:45.59 | devnull | is there a way to list all packages that have been installed since a given date? |
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| 02:46.18 | yertyo | aptitude? |
| 02:46.27 | yertyo | i dunno |
| 02:46.38 | kspath | devnull: Sorry about all the data I have been sending to you over all these years. |
| 02:46.45 | devnull | lol |
| 02:46.51 | yertyo | haha |
| 02:46.54 | devnull | no worries ;) |
| 02:47.01 | jjazz | ha |
| 02:47.19 | GeorgeAScot1 | nope not in /usr/bin |
| 02:47.27 | yertyo | is it possible to have my .bash_history remember a infinint(hope i spelled it right) amount? |
| 02:47.53 | devnull | i can hear the systems guys screaming unbounded not infinite |
| 02:48.05 | yertyo | or that |
| 02:48.19 | devnull | sorry...force of habit now |
| 02:48.29 | yertyo | so I did spell it wrong |
| 02:48.34 | yertyo | heh |
| 02:48.41 | devnull | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.27 | GeorgeAScot1 | there's a xmodmap folder in usr/share |
| 02:49.42 | devnull | GeorgeAScot1: which is a nice little app to find where something is |
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| 02:50.38 | yertyo | /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap |
| 02:50.57 | GeorgeAScot1 | shhh... there were several... but i think i found it in /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 02:51.04 | GeorgeAScot1 | haha.. |
| 02:51.12 | GeorgeAScot1 | thanks yertyo |
| 02:51.17 | yertyo | np |
| 02:51.48 | devnull | GeorgeAScot1: man which |
| 02:51.59 | GeorgeAScot1 | which what? |
| 02:52.07 | yertyo | isnt that a sloppy joe? |
| 02:52.11 | GeorgeAScot1 | i think |
| 02:52.22 | yertyo | heha |
| 02:53.29 | yertyo | later all |
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| 02:57.01 | K|NgGh0sT | Whats the command to find new apt-get sources |
| 02:57.21 | K|NgGh0sT | because deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ etch main non-free contrib isnt working |
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| 02:57.32 | overflow | K|NgGh0sT, firefox http://www.apt-get.org |
| 02:57.36 | Phat32 | I'm recieving the error, "Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages" when I type apt-get update. Where should I go to get help with this? |
| 02:57.40 | overflow | K|NgGh0sT, ohh... apt-setup |
| 02:58.42 | overflow | Phat32, deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 02:58.43 | K|NgGh0sT | overflow, doesntwork |
| 02:58.56 | overflow | K|NgGh0sT, what? apt-setup ? |
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| 02:59.11 | jjazz | How do I find out what my mouse device is? I have a touchpad on this laptop. |
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| 03:00.07 | K|NgGh0sT | -bash: apt-setup: command not found |
| 03:00.21 | overflow | K|NgGh0sT, as root?= |
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| 03:00.49 | jjazz | You have to install apt-setup |
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| 03:01.26 | Phat32 | overflow: http://pastebin.com/738577 |
| 03:01.48 | eleckttruss | how used sprint? |
| 03:02.22 | overflow | Phat32, try to remplace testing with etch |
| 03:02.39 | overflow | ok :S |
| 03:02.41 | overflow | *replace |
| 03:02.43 | overflow | bytes |
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| 03:03.19 | Phat32 | overflow: Did you see my pastebin link? |
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| 03:03.33 | spowers | what file do i need to edit to add a device to udev's list? |
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| 03:03.46 | Phat32 | crap |
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| 03:03.55 | spowers | i have a USB device that udev doesn't know about so it can't create the device node |
| 03:04.14 | spowers | but i have a static hard link to the device node and that works fine, i just want udev to recognize |
| 03:04.14 | Phat32 | Could someone else help me with my problem? |
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| 03:04.57 | K|NgGh0sT | weird |
| 03:05.00 | gteppel | Is it possible to tunnel PPTP VPN over SSH? I have a laptop that is sometimes in a wireless network that only allows Port 80 & 443 outbound so I setup my sshd server on my debian box to run over 443. I've been able to ssh to my box like this and I've been able to forward ports over this tunnel (3389 RDP, 5222 Jabber, etc...) but I'm not sure how to tunnel VPN over SSH, what ports does it use?. The reason I need to VPN is so I can vpn i |
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| 03:05.18 | K|NgGh0sT | I can access the yorku debian website but I cannot apt-get to it |
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| 03:06.23 | Phat32 | Where can I get the w32codecs package? |
| 03:06.52 | spowers | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ <dist> main |
| 03:06.56 | spowers | Phat32: there. |
| 03:07.05 | Phat32 | spowers I think that server is dead |
| 03:07.08 | spowers | hmm |
| 03:07.23 | Phat32 | spwers: http://pastebin.com/738577 |
| 03:07.28 | Phat32 | spowers: http://pastebin.com/738577 |
| 03:07.33 | spowers | thanks |
| 03:07.47 | spowers | i get the same err, i've already got that stuff installed so i basically have been ignoring it |
| 03:07.55 | spowers | if it's down, try to find a marillat mirror in google |
| 03:08.19 | Phat32 | man... |
| 03:09.40 | Phat32 | spowers: is this a mirror? http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-marillat/README.html |
| 03:10.03 | spowers | looks like it |
| 03:10.17 | spowers | oh |
| 03:10.18 | spowers | heh. |
| 03:10.22 | spowers | http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html |
| 03:10.24 | spowers | see the top post. |
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| 03:10.37 | Phat32 | does that mean it's dead? |
| 03:10.51 | spowers | it means they've moved. |
| 03:11.04 | spowers | go to the site they moved to and scroll to the bottom |
| 03:11.12 | spowers | and seriously does anyone know about udev |
| 03:11.15 | spowers | i need to add a usb device id |
| 03:12.04 | Phat32 | spowers: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html |
| 03:12.05 | spowers | that's kind of the url i just posted two minutes ago. |
| 03:12.12 | spowers | go to the page and pay attention, you'll find what you need. |
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| 03:13.47 | Phat32 | wtf |
| 03:13.51 | Phat32 | it's dead too |
| 03:14.17 | Phat32 | spowers: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main is dead too |
| 03:14.33 | K|NgGh0sT | can someone name an offical deb repository |
| 03:14.34 | spowers | oh bummer. |
| 03:14.45 | spowers | http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 03:15.08 | karrot-x | ahh my very good friend amstel |
| 03:15.12 | karrot-x | even the light is delicious |
| 03:15.46 | ohad | does anyone know a good monitoring system? that can alert me if the webpage suddenly requires auth or not? |
| 03:16.18 | Phat32 | spowers: I tried the src one and it worked |
| 03:16.22 | Phat32 | maybe I had a typo |
| 03:16.23 | K|NgGh0sT | k what the hell |
| 03:16.29 | K|NgGh0sT | I cant apt-get to anything |
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| 03:17.34 | Phat32 | spowers: ok I used "deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main" and it worked but "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main" did not work. what do you think the problem is? |
| 03:18.19 | spowers | stable/sid |
| 03:18.20 | spowers | um |
| 03:18.23 | spowers | pretty different there |
| 03:18.32 | spowers | maybe the repos doesn't have symlinks for dist roles |
| 03:18.33 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:18.38 | Phat32 | well I'm pretty ignorrant to their differences |
| 03:18.40 | spowers | like, use sarge instead of stable maybe |
| 03:18.58 | spowers | also sid is not hte stable release, sid is the development release, which is possibly what you want, but i don't know what you want |
| 03:19.19 | Phat32 | I want stable |
| 03:19.33 | Phat32 | sarge worked |
| 03:19.41 | Phat32 | hopefully the problem is solved |
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| 03:20.39 | K|NgGh0sT | aha |
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| 03:20.44 | K|NgGh0sT | fixxed |
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| 03:23.28 | Annirak | How do I install a .deb and its dependencies? I know how to install the .deb on its own, but I can't see how to get the depenencies without installing them manually |
| 03:23.40 | pipeline | Annirak: Use apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 03:24.03 | pipeline | Annirak: dpkg on its own will only resolve dependencies if all the packages are provided on the commandline. e.g. "dpkg -i foo.deb foodep.deb foodep2.deb" |
| 03:24.14 | pipeline | Annirak: the apt system does all higher-level dependency resolution |
| 03:24.30 | Annirak | pipeline: how do I install a .deb with apt? |
| 03:24.39 | pipeline | Annirak: you run aptitude |
| 03:25.11 | Annirak | pipeline: thx |
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| 03:27.40 | Phat32 | How can I find out which mplayer package to install? uname -a brings back that I use 686 but there is no mplayer-686 package |
| 03:27.49 | pipeline | Phat32: don't worry about it. |
| 03:28.00 | Phat32 | pipeline? |
| 03:28.03 | pipeline | Phat32: the 386 package, like all debian packages, is probably optimized for 686. |
| 03:28.18 | Phat32 | well I installed that one it it wouldn't open any videos |
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| 03:28.21 | pipeline | Phat32: The "k7" package is only in there because it uses amd-specific asm instructions, iirc. |
| 03:28.37 | pipeline | Phat32: That probably has nothing to do with your choice of mplayer packages. Did you remember to install w32codecs? |
| 03:28.41 | Phat32 | pipeline: Was something else causing mplayer not to play videos |
| 03:28.50 | Phat32 | yes I did instal it |
| 03:29.08 | Phat32 | w32codecs is already the newest version. |
| 03:29.37 | Phat32 | pipeline: is there another package mplayer needs to be able to play .avi etc |
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| 03:30.29 | Smerdyakov | I'm in agony trying to get things set up so that I can use gphoto2 with a USB camera as non-root. Do I really need to slog through a significant amount of manual set-up? |
| 03:31.08 | CHodapp | Smerdyakov, I think you just need to change how usbfs is mounted |
| 03:31.08 | Annirak | I'm trying to install monotone. When apt says it's installed monotone, I try to run monotone from the command line, and I get command not found |
| 03:31.44 | CHodapp | Smerdyakov, or you can chmod a+rw /proc/bus/usb/00whatever/whatever for the latest USB device created when you plug in the camera, but that's something you'd have to do each time |
| 03:31.55 | ohad | does anyone know a good monitoring system? that can alert me if the webpage suddenly requires auth or not? |
| 03:32.12 | Smerdyakov | CHodapp, how do I apply changes to /etc/fstab without rebooting? |
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| 03:33.42 | CHodapp | Smerdyakov, hrm... I don't know. You can always unmount and remount. |
| 03:33.48 | jair_11 | hello everybody... |
| 03:34.05 | Smerdyakov | CHodapp, wow, finally worked! Now I just need to figure out how to make this mount by default in the right way. Thanks. |
| 03:34.13 | CHodapp | Cool. |
| 03:34.52 | Phat32 | Why is mencoder only available for 586 and k6 |
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| 03:37.17 | jair_11 | anyone here has been trying to have sap or oracle database installed in debian? |
| 03:37.40 | ekkikrist | those are non-free softwares |
| 03:39.07 | jair_11 | right |
| 03:39.23 | jair_11 | but if I want to run it in debian will not be possible :( |
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| 03:41.00 | zakaluka | Hi everyone. Does anyone know the name of the software package that you can use to have each application completely installed in it's own folder, with symlinks to the files in /etc, /bin, etc. |
| 03:41.27 | CHodapp | stow? |
| 03:42.06 | Phat32 | Alright I got mplayer to play the files but I can't get audio |
| 03:42.10 | Phat32 | anyone know why? |
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| 03:42.28 | zakaluka | CHodapp: that's it, thank you |
| 03:42.53 | Hatter | I can boot from a knoppix livecd which discovers my sata drive. after knoppix has booted is there a way i can know which driver knoppix used that worked ? |
| 03:43.15 | Phat32 | xine plays the sound just fine |
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| 03:43.38 | WorldBFree | anybody know how to install a login splash screen on kde? |
| 03:44.00 | CHodapp | ekkikrist, I forgot I was in #debian, I just assumed I was in ##linux or something... |
| 03:44.09 | CHodapp | I've never even installed Debian before... |
| 03:44.21 | Hatter | mine is not a knopiix question. I am trying to get a sata drive working on sarge. |
| 03:44.51 | ekkikrist | I once installed a crapix livecd I got from somebody on irc on my hdd, that is debian. |
| 03:45.06 | zinx | ekkikrist: No it's not. |
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| 03:45.18 | WorldBFree | what is crapix? |
| 03:45.19 | Phat32 | fixed it |
| 03:45.24 | Hatter | you still there shogunx ? the pata driver didn't work. :( |
| 03:45.41 | Mask | I need to mount a usb flash drive in an /etc/init.d script, can anyone give me any suggestions on how to do this? |
| 03:45.54 | Mask | When I try to just mount it, it says "/dev/sda1 is not a valid block device" |
| 03:46.00 | Mask | I'm guessing the drivers aren't loaded yet |
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| 03:49.45 | shogunx | i'm here, Hatter. what did it tell you? |
| 03:50.09 | shogunx | Hatter, the pata drivers call the device /dev/hdx instead of /dev/sdx |
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| 03:50.38 | shogunx | so your grub/lilo config and fstab should reflect that, accordingly, if you are booting from the device. |
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| 03:52.27 | shogunx | Hatter let me rephrase... what did dmesg tell you, if you got far enough to boot the kernel? |
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| 03:53.54 | pngwen | I can't seem to get an install using debootstrap and base-config to work, yet I can when I use the net install cd. Is there a trick to getting debootstrap and base-config to work? |
| 03:54.10 | pngwen | (It always fails with a message saying that it "Could not install some packages" |
| 03:54.47 | pngwen | I thought netinstall used the base-config script. Has anyone gotten the other method to work? |
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| 03:57.33 | Supaplex | any major breakages in testing (not releated to X) ? I notice libc has rolled out an update. |
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| 03:58.27 | chealer | Supaplex: /topic |
| 04:01.44 | Supaplex | Nice. btw, s/deg-src/deb-src/ in the Security section. http://wiki.debian.org/Status/Testing |
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| 04:02.55 | chealer | Supaplex: http://wiki.debian.org/Status/Testing?action=edit |
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| 04:05.29 | joeey | would it be possible to install printer on debian server and use ms windows clients to print documents on the printer? |
| 04:05.59 | chealer | joeey: yes |
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| 04:06.31 | joeey | what software should I use? |
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| 04:06.48 | varsendagger | hey my adsl keeps resetting my /et/resolve how do i fix this? |
| 04:07.46 | bloom | for reasons I totally don't understand, amaroK refuses to play audio CD's. Amarok recognizes the CD just fine, and the cdplay command also works just fine. any ideas? |
| 04:08.27 | valdyn | bloom: there's no audio cable going from your cdrom to your soundcard? |
| 04:09.23 | bloom | valdyn: the cdplay command (from the cdtools package) uses that mechanism, so I know that part works |
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| 04:13.30 | Phat32 | cdrecord device (n,n,n or filename): 0,X,0 has not format n,n,n and is no file : NOT OK |
| 04:13.45 | Phat32 | dvdrip is giving me this error |
| 04:13.48 | Phat32 | what doesit mean? |
| 04:13.59 | gary__ | what is the best text browser besides lynx? |
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| 04:16.35 | eno-away | w3m |
| 04:16.50 | eno-away | links, elinks |
| 04:17.06 | gary__ | Phat32,did you do dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord ? |
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| 04:24.40 | K|NgGh0sT | lets see if etch will be nicer to my dvb |
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| 04:28.17 | ekkikrist | Phat32: X is not a number. |
| 04:31.53 | Phat32 | I randomly plugged in 0,3,0 was that a mistake? |
| 04:32.10 | Supaplex | !random |
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| 04:34.35 | Annirak | I'm trying to install monotone. When apt says it's installed monotone, I try to run monotone from the command line, and I get command not found |
| 04:35.08 | gravity | Isn't it like mt or something? |
| 04:35.21 | gravity | Annirak: dpkg -L monotone | grep bin |
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| 04:35.50 | Annirak | yeah mtn thx |
| 04:36.32 | manuel_ | hi! anyone else whose fiefox crashes when you try to download something? |
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| 04:38.00 | K|NgGh0sT | whats the command to update my kernel? apt-get distupdate doesnt seem to be it |
| 04:38.16 | unix_infidel | apt-get install kernel26 |
| 04:38.30 | unix_infidel | will automatically give you the latest kernel for your platform that's in the repos. |
| 04:38.32 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: which release do you use? |
| 04:38.35 | K|NgGh0sT | etch |
| 04:38.46 | K|NgGh0sT | unix_infidel, doesnt work |
| 04:38.51 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: which kernel do you run? |
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| 04:38.57 | K|NgGh0sT | 2.6.8 |
| 04:39.06 | K|NgGh0sT | Just updating to etch now |
| 04:39.10 | K|NgGh0sT | I think I broke everything |
| 04:39.15 | unix_infidel | yay! |
| 04:39.18 | unix_infidel | breakage... |
| 04:39.25 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: wow. ah, OK. what's your CPU subarch? |
| 04:39.27 | K|NgGh0sT | x doesnt load anymore |
| 04:39.31 | K|NgGh0sT | 386 |
| 04:39.36 | chealer | if that's the right term... |
| 04:39.50 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: install linux-image-2.6-386 |
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| 04:40.36 | K|NgGh0sT | Package linux-image-2.6-386 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 04:40.42 | K|NgGh0sT | Dont I want 686? |
| 04:41.02 | hmeghani | hi i am new to debian |
| 04:41.13 | hmeghani | i'll ask simple questions |
| 04:41.16 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: sorry, linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 04:41.32 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: I don'T know, you told me 383 |
| 04:41.37 | hmeghani | how do i include something in manpath |
| 04:41.43 | chealer | 386, which is now 486 |
| 04:42.04 | K|NgGh0sT | well i'm in a pickle now |
| 04:42.12 | K|NgGh0sT | udev wants a new kernel |
| 04:42.13 | ekkikrist | pickles, yumm |
| 04:42.20 | K|NgGh0sT | and I cant get a new kernel without udev being setup |
| 04:42.43 | K|NgGh0sT | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 04:42.43 | K|NgGh0sT | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.43 | K|NgGh0sT | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.57 | chealer | hmeghani: did you try $ man man ? |
| 04:43.11 | hmeghani | no i'll try that right now |
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| 04:43.38 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: you could try temporarily switching to Linux 2.4 |
| 04:43.57 | K|NgGh0sT | lowest I have is 2.6.8 |
| 04:44.04 | hmeghani | it says line 1, will it mess anything up |
| 04:44.26 | K|NgGh0sT | Is there a way to force apt-get to install 2.6.15 around udev? |
| 04:45.10 | hmeghani | here is what i have to " 1. Make a copy of or link to man/man1/cm.1 in a subdirectory man1/ under a |
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| 04:45.32 | Annirak | How do I specify a package version to apt? |
| 04:45.37 | dondelelcaro | Annirak: with = |
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| 04:46.01 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: you could install it (temporarily) |
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| 04:46.26 | Annirak | if package foo has version 2.0 and version 2.5, would that be $apt-get install foo=2.0 for the earlier release? |
| 04:46.39 | dondelelcaro | if you want to install 2.0, yes. |
| 04:46.47 | Annirak | Thanks |
| 04:47.24 | K|NgGh0sT | chealer, how? |
| 04:47.32 | K|NgGh0sT | I cant just install the new kern? |
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| 04:47.51 | hmeghani | chealer r u there? |
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| 04:48.18 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: it should be possible if you can temporarily switch to 2.4. try installing kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:48.33 | K|NgGh0sT | how can I switch to 2.4? |
| 04:48.38 | K|NgGh0sT | er |
| 04:48.41 | chealer | hmeghani: I'm here, your paste was incomplete. do as the bot indicated |
| 04:48.51 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: install it and boot it |
| 04:49.04 | K|NgGh0sT | its the same issue |
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| 04:49.13 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: what? |
| 04:49.23 | K|NgGh0sT | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 04:49.23 | K|NgGh0sT | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.37 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: when doing what? |
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| 04:50.29 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: hum, what does $ dpkg -l udev|grep udev; return? |
| 04:50.56 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm just going to remove it |
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| 04:51.17 | hmeghani | the program suggests to copy of or link to man/man/cm.1 in a subdirectory man1/ under a directory in your MANPATH, or include man/man1 in your manpath |
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| 04:53.34 | xevious | where do i get lame? |
| 04:54.00 | xevious | oh jeez. i may have just dug myself into a hole with that question |
| 04:54.00 | chealer | !tell xevious about lame |
| 04:54.03 | xevious | thank |
| 04:54.04 | xevious | s |
| 04:54.05 | xevious | :) |
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| 04:54.24 | Mr-5150 | I want to backup my debian hardrive as an image I use scsi any programs that will work? |
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| 04:55.02 | Wyzard | Mr-5150: dd, partimage, tar -- depending on what type of "image" you have in mind |
| 04:55.29 | Mr-5150 | a drive image |
| 04:55.33 | Mr-5150 | like ghost |
| 04:55.57 | Mr-5150 | whats dd? |
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| 04:56.11 | Wyzard | If you need to preserve an exact sector-for-sector copy of the entire drive, including the contents of "free space", for forensics or something, use dd or partimage |
| 04:56.22 | K|NgGh0sT | Now lets see if debian is now broken completely |
| 04:56.27 | Wyzard | If you just want to make a backup of every file on the system, use tar or dump/restore |
| 04:56.38 | Mr-5150 | ok |
| 04:57.04 | ekkikrist | Mr-5150: You may be interested in g4u: http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ |
| 04:57.12 | Mr-5150 | partimage supports my AIC 7892 SCSI |
| 04:57.51 | Wyzard | A sector-for-sector copy preserves things that are generally not needed except for forensic purposes, like the free space and the exact locations of files on the drive, but it's less useful for disaster-recovery purposes since there are complications if the replacement drive is a different size than the original one |
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| 04:58.09 | Wyzard | A tar or dump backup is simplest if you just need to preserve all the files on the system |
| 04:58.37 | Wyzard | I don't think partimage cares what kind of disk controller you have |
| 04:58.53 | Mr-5150 | i need an exact copy of my drive, just in case something goes wrong i can bring it back like it used to be |
| 04:58.59 | Wyzard | (Actually, if it's for forensic purposes, don't use partimage -- that *doesn't* preserve the free space) |
| 04:59.08 | Wyzard | OK, for recovery |
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| 04:59.36 | K|NgGh0sT | greeeeeat |
| 04:59.40 | K|NgGh0sT | X Windows now wont load |
| 05:00.09 | Mr-5150 | so should i give partimage a try? |
| 05:00.12 | Mr-5150 | g4l? |
| 05:00.27 | Mr-5150 | or dd? |
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| 05:00.56 | Wyzard | Use tar or dump |
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| 05:00.57 | patofeo | mmm. how can do whith the permissions? |
| 05:00.57 | patofeo | preserve the original permission? |
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| 05:03.18 | kevinv | When I try to install packages that depend on libqt3c102-mt they fail to install. I attempted to install libqt3c102-mt, but another package conflicts with it. I am using Debian Etch(Testing). Does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 05:03.58 | patofeo | kevinv: mm.. Slackware? |
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| 05:04.19 | chealer | kevinv: which packages are these? |
| 05:04.29 | Mr-5150 | thanks everyone |
| 05:04.35 | hmeghani | no luck so far |
| 05:04.50 | kevinv | I am trying to install and try out f4l(Flash Editor on KDE-Apps.org), the debian package requires that library. I currently use SWFTools for creating flash content, but would enjoy seeing the progress done with f4l. |
| 05:04.55 | dondelelcaro | !tell kevinv -about bat |
| 05:05.44 | deadcat | hmm. cupsys is taking 21% none stop and its just 2 pages.. |
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| 05:06.06 | kevinv | Unpacking f4l (from f4l_0.2-1_i386.deb) ... |
| 05:06.09 | kevinv | Selecting previously deselected package libqt3c102-mt. |
| 05:06.13 | kevinv | dpkg: regarding libqt3c102-mt_3.3.5-1mea0_i386.deb containing libqt3c102-mt: |
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| 05:06.18 | dondelelcaro | kevinv: don't paste here, please. |
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| 05:06.36 | no0ke | . |
| 05:07.02 | no0ke | someone give me an ntp server (US/Eastcoast) |
| 05:07.06 | _joey | a little problem when creating user account using passwd. when give the switch -p password user to useradd account is created , however, the password I cannot use; neither when use -p 'password' |
| 05:07.11 | _joey | what is the problem ? |
| 05:07.22 | dondelelcaro | us.pool.ntp.org |
| 05:07.22 | _joey | using useradd rather |
| 05:07.54 | dondelelcaro | _joey: 1) don't use useradd, use adduser. 2) use chpasswd to change the passwrd in scripts, not the -p option. |
| 05:08.13 | _joey | why not useradd? |
| 05:08.23 | _joey | and why not using -p switch ? |
| 05:08.54 | dondelelcaro | _joey: because it doesn't apply all of the policies that adduser can, and because sticking the password of a newly created account into argv where it can be seen by anything looking at /proc is collosally stupid |
| 05:09.09 | deadcat | "Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": No such device" <-- i have /dev/usb/lp0: crw-rw---- 1 root lp 180, 0 Nov 5 2005 /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 05:09.21 | hmeghani | can i open manpth in a text editor and just add a line in there |
| 05:09.29 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: but presumably no device that's on /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 05:09.45 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: its plugged in. the printer that is. |
| 05:09.55 | _joey | dondelelcaro that's the idea :) |
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| 05:09.57 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: did it show up in dmesg? |
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| 05:10.09 | Annirak | exit |
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| 05:10.15 | chealer | hmeghani: try # editor /etc/manpath.config |
| 05:10.34 | K|NgGh0sT | so who wants to help me fix x windows? |
| 05:10.36 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: no error.. i loaded the usblp module. it was working last time i printed. maybe cupsys upgraded? |
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| 05:11.25 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nah, it wouldn't give that error though... that's a "no device at this chardev" error |
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| 05:12.26 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: cupsd is the first item shows up in top using 23% cpu |
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| 05:13.02 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: cool, but does the printer show up in dmesg? Do you see it if you unplug it and plug it back in? |
| 05:13.06 | _joey | dondelelcaro so chpasswd --encrypted user:pass ? |
| 05:13.19 | deadcat | let me unplug |
| 05:13.52 | dondelelcaro | _joey: no, just cat footmpfilewithpass | chpasswd foouser; or similar. |
| 05:14.04 | dondelelcaro | (or if you know the encrypted password, use chpasswd) |
| 05:14.35 | _joey | like echo bar | chpasswd user; |
| 05:14.44 | dondelelcaro | if your shell has a builtin echo, yes. Otherwise, no. |
| 05:14.47 | K|NgGh0sT | Linux slutb0x 2.6.15-1-486 #2 Mon Mar 6 15:19:16 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:14.57 | Phated | *snort* |
| 05:15.04 | Phated | Nice hostname. |
| 05:15.10 | K|NgGh0sT | whoops |
| 05:15.23 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: nope. unpluggin and plugging the usb cable dont show jack.. this was a working printer... well. power went out this morning. (= but... |
| 05:15.34 | K|NgGh0sT | Can someone help me get x to load again? |
| 05:16.55 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, that indicates that something is definetly screwed with it. Tried plugging it into another machine? |
| 05:17.04 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i think my usb stuff are fucked. the camera doesnt show up either |
| 05:17.16 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. will do that |
| 05:17.38 | deadcat | p3 800mhz's days are numbered. (= |
| 05:17.40 | deadcat | haha |
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| 05:18.04 | deadcat | but my laptop has sooo much to reconfigured though. )= |
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| 05:19.49 | deadcat | almost went office space on the laser printer. (=... i bet its the usb stuff on the computer. |
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| 05:21.26 | deadcat | can someone tell me how is it possible to fry the usb stuff on the computer but not everything else? |
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| 05:21.46 | deadcat | maybe because i had webcam,printer connected at the time? |
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| 05:22.10 | K|NgGh0sT | Am I suppose to be using 486? |
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| 05:22.29 | K|NgGh0sT | or something else? |
| 05:22.44 | Vasistha | deadcat: how do you know it's fried? |
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| 05:23.00 | deadcat | Vasistha: none of my usb ports work on any usb devices |
| 05:23.08 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: for what? |
| 05:23.13 | K|NgGh0sT | Athlon XP |
| 05:23.17 | pourriture_ | hi all .... is there a debian social chan that isn't tech support ... or is this the best place to find debian type people |
| 05:23.50 | deadcat | Vasistha: printer, camera, wireless card, thumbdrive.. the thumbdrive light dont even go on. |
| 05:23.50 | Vasistha | deadcat: wow, man, that's a bummer. I would imagine probably because something shorted out, either inside or outside the computer. The power between the devices is all shared |
| 05:23.52 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: use k7 |
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| 05:24.32 | Vasistha | pourriture_: this is a somewhat social channel, we go back and forth between being social and helping out! It's great. |
| 05:24.34 | deadcat | Vasistha: bad news is no more usb on this p3 800mhz. good news i just finished finals.. |
| 05:24.54 | chealer | pourriture_: no. maybe #debian-offtopic |
| 05:24.54 | K|NgGh0sT | chealer, how I delete old kernels? |
| 05:25.01 | deadcat | K|NgGh0sT: apt-get |
| 05:25.16 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: you remove the package containing them |
| 05:25.25 | deadcat | ok... the wireless device light is showing when i plug it in. but dmesg shows nothing. what up? |
| 05:26.04 | K|NgGh0sT | alright well I apt-get remove linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 05:26.17 | pourriture_ | Vasistha, ... so it is like free pie and chips ... it is pie ... and chips ... and it is free |
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| 05:26.51 | Vasistha | deadcat: that may mean it just has power, but the kernel isn't seeing it? I'm definitely not the best person to help here, but sometimes I get the issue started and the real experts jump in |
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| 05:27.55 | deadcat | reboot maybe? or jiggles the card? (= or office space the motherfucker |
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| 05:28.25 | omry | do I need to use smp kernel to fully utilize Pentium D? |
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| 05:28.54 | Vasistha | deadcat: well, the fact that it's assumably getting power means that... well, at least the power connections are connecting! I wouldn't jiggle the card with the computer powered on. |
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| 05:28.56 | deadcat | SMP = 2 or more cpu.. what you think |
| 05:29.12 | deadcat | Vasistha: i mean shut it down first. |
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| 05:29.25 | pourriture_ | Vasistha, you must be my long lost brother ... I know enough to run my box ... and give the beginning of advice to others ... and really enjoy being a catalyst for those who know more |
| 05:29.31 | omry | deadcat, pentium d = 2 core * 2 HT threads, so I`d say yes. |
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| 05:29.55 | deadcat | then yes |
| 05:30.10 | Vasistha | pourriture_: heh, perhaps, except I know I don't have any brothers aside from the two who definitely cannot help others with their boxes! And I feel like I learn a lot in here too, it's fun! |
| 05:30.46 | deadcat | lspci still shows i have usb |
| 05:31.03 | deadcat | lsusb shows nothing |
| 05:31.21 | Vasistha | deadcat: do you have, like, another device, like an old usb mouse to test with? |
| 05:31.51 | deadcat | Vasistha: i tested printer, webcam, wireless, thumbdrive. |
| 05:32.32 | Vasistha | deadcat: do you have another computer to test the devices on? perhaps a friend's, considering you are near a university? ;-) |
| 05:33.04 | deadcat | let me test the ibook. but i have sooo much stuff that i need to reconfig on the ibook.. )= |
| 05:33.08 | Vasistha | deadcat: ...and hopefully a friend's cheap spare computer, just in case there's a short in one of the devices... |
| 05:33.46 | pourriture_ | Vasistha, whenever I have been in here I have learned more than I have taught ... but iI consider myself a newbie with a clue ... and I like to try to be the translator between those who need help and those who can give it |
| 05:33.47 | K|NgGh0sT | !nvidia |
| 05:33.47 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 05:33.58 | K|NgGh0sT | !nvidia one-liner |
| 05:33.58 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 05:34.09 | deadcat | Vasistha: i am pretty sure its the damn usb device IN the computer.. i know my usb printer/webcam/wifi/thumb is good.. |
| 05:34.44 | deadcat | oh well. i am gonna shake the computer a bit.. |
| 05:35.09 | Vasistha | deadcat: "in"? |
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| 05:35.50 | pourriture_ | Vasistha, you beat me to it ... but i"in" was a strange preposition |
| 05:35.56 | Vasistha | pourriture_: yesterday... this guy was in here asking about software to use with his "vinil printer cutter" |
| 05:36.15 | K|NgGh0sT | um |
| 05:36.15 | K|NgGh0sT | crap |
| 05:36.43 | Vasistha | pourriture_: yeah, but deadcat even beat me to it, he left! I hope he doesn't damage anything! |
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| 05:37.04 | pourriture_ | Vasistha, that would be to make LP albums??? |
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| 05:38.16 | Vasistha | pourriture_: no, it was for printing large-format signs and other things on a vinyl medium, and the machine was equipped to cut the stuff as well! And he was looking for CAD or other software, like Corel Draw, but I dunno if he actually had the device working! |
| 05:38.23 | chealer | !tell K|NgGh0sT about msg the bot |
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| 05:38.48 | deadcat | DAMN!!!! |
| 05:38.59 | deadcat | fucking udev requires 2.6.15 or better. i am on .14 |
| 05:39.06 | Phated | So upgrade ;) |
| 05:39.07 | pourriture_ | Vasistha, that is a "code it yourself" moment |
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| 05:39.16 | pourriture_ | moment |
| 05:39.23 | Vasistha | deadcat: you're back already... have you tried opening up the computer? |
| 05:39.50 | deadcat | Phated: downloading .16.18 right now. (= i wanted to wait for grsec to release before i compile. but i guess i will have to use the rc stuff |
| 05:39.59 | deadcat | Vasistha: no. its udev |
| 05:40.02 | Phated | Bahaha. :) |
| 05:40.07 | Vasistha | pourriture_: yeah... I don't think that was gonna happen. It took me a good ten minutes just to figure out what the device was, and I didn't even get to the point of asking if he got the kernel to recognize it! |
| 05:40.31 | Vasistha | deadcat: well, that's great news, eh? no fried devices or boards! |
| 05:40.31 | K|NgGh0sT | so how do I install nvidia in etch? since I get E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate |
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| 05:40.46 | deadcat | i forgot about udev because i havent rebooted the box in 18 days. so that out'age rebooted and use the latest udev |
| 05:41.12 | jair_11 | guys I am trying to conpile a kernel for my own ibm xseries server |
| 05:41.22 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: NVIDIA's proprietary graphics drivers were partially removed from Etch. you could try installing the legacy drivers |
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| 05:41.33 | jair_11 | anyone can provide me with a good tutorial to compile kernel 2.6.8-x? |
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| 05:41.48 | pinky_ | Okay so: |
| 05:41.49 | pinky_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=src&data=amarok&archive=no&pend-exc=fixed&pend-exc=done&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious |
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| 05:42.13 | pinky_ | According to that the reason for amaroK 1.4.0 not making testing is that one bug filed by someone? |
| 05:42.27 | K|NgGh0sT | chealer, how do I do that? |
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| 05:43.00 | pinky_ | How do I tell what the status is of a particular bug? I mean how long it could take to fix, etc. etc. |
| 05:43.34 | chealer | pinky_: #367910? no, at least not yet |
| 05:43.50 | patofeo | yeah, i'm codding my first hello world. |
| 05:43.55 | chealer | K|NgGh0sT: the instructions should let you know |
| 05:43.59 | patofeo | in C |
| 05:44.05 | pinky_ | chealer: Not yet what? |
| 05:44.10 | patofeo | hehe, it's new for me. |
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| 05:44.17 | Vasistha | patofeo: congrats |
| 05:44.21 | pourriture_ | Vasistha, my only experience with that kind of thing was a company that had a PSU burn out on an IRIX box that ran a weaving loom ... it had 16 2 gig hdss and they thought they lost all ... no root pass or anything ... thank god that IRIX was WEAK on exploits ... I made $10,000 on that one |
| 05:44.22 | K|NgGh0sT | chealer, and they are where? |
| 05:44.23 | patofeo | thanks Vasistha.. |
| 05:44.45 | chealer | !tell K|NgGh0sT about ngd |
| 05:45.18 | chealer | pinky_: it's not yet the only thing keeping unstable's amarok from transitioning to Etch |
| 05:45.38 | patofeo | Vasistha: are you C developer? |
| 05:45.48 | pinky_ | chealer: What else is there? It's been 10 days. |
| 05:45.52 | Vasistha | pourriture_: wanna wander over to #debian-offtopic ? |
| 05:45.54 | deadcat | lets hope the .16.15 patch works on .16.18 (= |
| 05:46.08 | pinky_ | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=amarok |
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| 05:46.20 | Vasistha | patofeo: mmm, occasionally, a little bit. I know pascal, bash, and PHP much better than C |
| 05:46.40 | omry | I upgraded my box from Athlon XP to Pentium D, what's the best upgrade path for my Etch system? can I upgrade at all from a 32bit os to a 64bit os without reinstalling everything? |
| 05:46.47 | patofeo | hea, I actually code in PHP-SQL-HTML-CSS-JAVA2-PERL |
| 05:47.01 | patofeo | and something in Javascript. |
| 05:47.24 | chealer | pinky_: OK, sorry, it seems this bug is the only thing, if you ignore the 2 pre-existing ones |
| 05:47.43 | pinky_ | chealer: Yeah but those are there and it's 1.3.9 anyway |
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| 05:48.01 | pinky_ | Besides, there's only one for 1.4 |
| 05:48.12 | patofeo | howto run's gcc wth compile my .c sources? |
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| 05:48.27 | chealer | pinky_: then yes, the bug you mentioned is the reason |
| 05:48.42 | pinky_ | So... it sits in unstable until this gets resolved or does it hit testing anyway after a certain amount of time? |
| 05:49.06 | K|NgGh0sT | woot |
| 05:49.15 | patofeo | K|NgGh0sT hi. |
| 05:49.19 | chealer | pinky_: it sits in unstable until it gets back to <=2 RC bugs |
| 05:49.20 | patofeo | goods nights. |
| 05:49.36 | K|NgGh0sT | patofeo, hi |
| 05:49.51 | K|NgGh0sT | Alright so got x working again... now whythe heck did I lose my sound |
| 05:49.52 | patofeo | howto are you life ? |
| 05:50.15 | pinky_ | chealer: Ohh, so those other two bugs, while not specifically for 1.4, are being counted against 1.4? |
| 05:50.19 | K|NgGh0sT | That makes no sense |
| 05:50.46 | patofeo | heh. |
| 05:50.57 | patofeo | where you life ? |
| 05:51.07 | K|NgGh0sT | live? |
| 05:51.13 | patofeo | live, sorry |
| 05:51.18 | K|NgGh0sT | Canada |
| 05:51.27 | patofeo | Gooooood. |
| 05:52.00 | chealer | pinky_: more or less. the testing migration script does not support BTS version tracking [yet], it only checks that there are not more RC bugs open than there were when the package last entered testing |
| 05:52.42 | patofeo | what linux use? |
| 05:52.56 | pinky_ | chealer: Okay I see. So I guess then how would I go about finding how close any of these are to being fixed? |
| 05:52.57 | patofeo | what distribution. |
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| 05:53.50 | Vasistha | pinky_: you could look at the bug report, see if they've been assigned to a developer or if anyone is working on them |
| 05:54.36 | Vasistha | pinky_: but honestly, ... that's not necessarily going to give you that much of an indication. You could ask, but I doubt the inquiry would be well-received, folks would rather work on fixing problems than talk to people about their estimates |
| 05:54.42 | chealer | pinky_: I suggest you wait "a bit". I opened a bug against amarok about 1.4, and it was tagged pending by the maintainer a few days ago. this means it should be fixed soon. the maintainer is one of the most responsive maintainers, but unfortunately, he seems less responsive these days (he went to Debconf) |
| 05:56.08 | pinky_ | Okay thanks. My 1.3.9 isn't even loading (just crashes) and I want to get 1.4 to see if my problem is fixed. I was going to do apt-get -t unstable install amarok but I was advised against it. |
| 05:56.34 | chealer | pinky_: why? |
| 05:57.05 | pinky_ | chealer: I was told it's probably not a good idea to mix unstable packages with a testing installation? |
| 05:57.20 | patofeo | good bye all. |
| 05:57.24 | patofeo | I go to sleep. |
| 05:57.25 | patofeo | :D |
| 05:57.28 | patofeo | byes. |
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| 05:57.53 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm soooooo close |
| 05:57.55 | chealer | pinky_: that shouldn't be problematic, as long as you know APT a bit. if you feel uncomfortable, read the APT HOWTO, and that should be enough |
| 05:58.20 | K|NgGh0sT | How do I allow multiple programs access sound? |
| 05:58.45 | pinky_ | I'm comfortable with APT... I have more to learn, and I will, but I know my way around it (ie hacking up sources.list, different branches, purging installing removing etc.) |
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| 06:00.50 | pinky_ | But I wasn't under the impression that it had to do with APT itself, rather it was bad from a stability standpoint to mix unstable with testing. |
| 06:00.57 | chealer | pinky_: well...that's a basis. you also have to be able to realize when you're installing packages only in unstable. for example, it could be bad that you see an interesting package and install it, and that it drags dependencies from unstable without you realizing |
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| 06:01.34 | iKernel | Sound isn't working guys |
| 06:01.40 | iKernel | Alsa is installed |
| 06:02.00 | pinky_ | chealer: I'm careful about checking dependencie, and always check when things are automatically removed (and would have the sense to check what packages will be automatically upgraded to unstabl) |
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| 06:02.10 | iKernel | preparing audio device for output |
| 06:02.10 | iKernel | snd_pcm_writei failed: Broken pipe |
| 06:02.15 | K|NgGh0sT | iKernel, join the no sound club :D |
| 06:02.33 | chealer | pinky_: no, that shouldn't be a problem. that might be one with very different releases, but testing and unstable are very close. if important issues happen, it would probably be worth reporting as a bug |
| 06:02.37 | iKernel | K|NgGh0sT, I reckon I'm going to uninstall alsa and compile it from source |
| 06:02.51 | ekkikrist | oh THAT's a good idea. |
| 06:02.52 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm trying to get a sound server working, and its not |
| 06:02.53 | K|NgGh0sT | :D |
| 06:03.18 | iKernel | ekkikrist, was that meant for me? |
| 06:03.26 | ekkikrist | yes |
| 06:03.36 | iKernel | ekkikrist, sarcasm? |
| 06:03.41 | ekkikrist | yes :) |
| 06:03.47 | iKernel | lol |
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| 06:06.38 | K|NgGh0sT | argh |
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| 06:06.57 | iKernel | hmm, i've ost a lead |
| 06:07.28 | K|NgGh0sT | I just wish I kne a way to allow more then one app use sound at the same itme |
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| 06:07.38 | K|NgGh0sT | time |
| 06:08.12 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: I know there's supposed to be a way to do that. Maybe arts? I dunno if arts is just a kde thing. But it's definitely possible, I've had it working before |
| 06:08.44 | iKernel | here it is |
| 06:08.46 | johnsu01 | Doesn't alsa just do that? |
| 06:09.02 | K|NgGh0sT | Well, all I know is I cant use sound right now |
| 06:09.15 | K|NgGh0sT | and XMMS says sound is configured just another app is using it |
| 06:11.29 | iKernel | K|NgGh0sT, you got another sound card |
| 06:11.30 | iKernel | ? |
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| 06:13.01 | el_mexicano | hi there |
| 06:13.02 | K|NgGh0sT | no |
| 06:13.08 | K|NgGh0sT | Just Nforce2 onboard |
| 06:13.19 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: alright, I've got sound working from two places at the same time... |
| 06:13.19 | K|NgGh0sT | it worked in sarge, now that I upgraded to etch it no work |
| 06:13.32 | poli | I have set up dmcrypt and made an entry for swap in /etc/crypttab like this: cswap /dev/hda4 /dev/random swap This should make cryptsetup use a random key (and NOT ask for a key). The thing is... is asks for key. Anyone know how to make it just get a random one? |
| 06:13.40 | iKernel | :( |
| 06:13.44 | el_mexicano | someone has better expirence with mrtg? i try to monitor the cpu utilization, but i got an error "Unknown SNMP var ssCpuRawUser.0" |
| 06:13.46 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: are you using KDE? I'm using sarge, but it may be very similar to make it work |
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| 06:14.11 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm in KDE yes |
| 06:15.51 | iKernel | hmmmmm |
| 06:16.04 | K|NgGh0sT | I think this is a bigger issue then just more then one appt |
| 06:16.06 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: hmm, on second thought, I haven't gotten XMMS working yet, but I do have mplayer and KDE sounds coming out at the same time. |
| 06:16.10 | K|NgGh0sT | I think Etch killed my nforce |
| 06:16.21 | punsad | is it possible to use use one box with sarge installed as a server, then use a chroot environment which runs etch? |
| 06:16.47 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: What I did is in kcontrol, I enabled the sound system. Then to make mplayer work, I had to use the arts output device. |
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| 06:16.53 | iKernel | :( |
| 06:17.17 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: but I don't have an arts option for xmms. It may be possible to get an xmms package that includes the arts output plugin |
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| 06:17.44 | K|NgGh0sT | Vasistha, Thanks for the help, but alas its not that issue anymore |
| 06:17.47 | K|NgGh0sT | Etch killed me sound |
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| 06:18.14 | iKernel | I can't get tv out working |
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| 06:18.40 | jakl | Hi,how can I install sarge from hardware |
| 06:18.42 | K|NgGh0sT | anyone here know italian? |
| 06:18.46 | JoKa | I need filesystem recovery util for ext3fs |
| 06:18.54 | jakl | I can't find vmlinuz and initrd |
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| 06:19.04 | punsad | jakl: what do you mean? install sarge without CD? |
| 06:19.08 | iKernel | jakl, by putting the disk in the disk tray and rebooting |
| 06:19.10 | jakl | sure |
| 06:19.13 | iKernel | oh |
| 06:19.20 | iKernel | jakl, you could do a network install |
| 06:19.20 | jakl | use grub |
| 06:19.51 | jakl | I need vmlinuz and initrd to boot |
| 06:20.02 | jakl | I don't know how to find it ? |
| 06:20.20 | punsad | jakl: those are typically in /boot |
| 06:21.05 | poli | jakl: if you are using grub, try writing "kernel (hd0,0)/ <TAB>" and see if it gets to list your dir structure. |
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| 06:21.28 | punsad | jakl: you can 'cd /' then 'find . -name "*vmlinuz*" -print' same goes for initrd |
| 06:21.32 | jakl | sure.I know the recommand |
| 06:21.35 | jakl | command |
| 06:21.43 | K|NgGh0sT | iKernel, are you using etch? |
| 06:21.45 | entuall | hello |
| 06:21.50 | jakl | I mean that I have no vmlinuz and initrd |
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| 06:22.41 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: heh, thanks to you, I now have music coming from mplayer and xmms at the same time... absurdly silly! |
| 06:22.49 | K|NgGh0sT | lol |
| 06:22.53 | K|NgGh0sT | You're welcome? |
| 06:22.57 | unix_infidel | dmix? |
| 06:23.04 | K|NgGh0sT | you get twice the sound I get no sound! |
| 06:23.41 | jakl | punsad:you install debian from cd? |
| 06:23.52 | punsad | jakl: most people do, i think |
| 06:24.12 | jakl | and you?> |
| 06:24.24 | awbassett | I just installed sarge but am having some network issues. I put sk98lin in /etc/modules, defined eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, but on boot my computer will not get a dhcp lease..i know dhcp is working on other boxes |
| 06:24.29 | jakl | do you use etch or sarge? |
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| 06:24.41 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: I thought you said you wished you knew a way to allow more than one app to use sound at the same time? |
| 06:24.43 | punsad | punsad: I do... but only a network install cd.. which only has a base system |
| 06:24.47 | awbassett | from what ive been reading, sk98lin is getting deprecated in 2.6.16+... but i dont think that should affect me |
| 06:24.54 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: but you don't have any sound at all? |
| 06:24.56 | awbassett | as im using sarge right now |
| 06:24.59 | punsad | jakl: that was meant for you :) |
| 06:25.11 | punsad | jakl: I use sarge on my server |
| 06:25.11 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 06:25.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tetrinet is multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
| 06:25.18 | K|NgGh0sT | Oh I thought I had sound, used to have sound, but I forgot howto read |
| 06:25.33 | punsad | jakl: I use etch on my laptop... but I don't use it often |
| 06:25.35 | jakl | If I want to install sarege,which iso file I should download |
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| 06:25.48 | K|NgGh0sT | !nforce |
| 06:25.49 | dpkg | somebody said nforce was a chipset made by nvidia. It is not (properly) supported in kernels older than 2.4.22. if you didn't know this and bought your hardware anyway, boo on you. |
| 06:25.58 | Vasistha | jakl: I think we're at 3.1_r2 at this point |
| 06:25.58 | K|NgGh0sT | hrmm |
| 06:26.09 | punsad | jakl: sarge is also called 'stable' ... |
| 06:26.11 | K|NgGh0sT | !tell K|NgGh0sT about alsa |
| 06:26.20 | chealer | !tell jakl about install debian |
| 06:26.32 | Vasistha | jakl: most polite is to use the torrent... |
| 06:26.45 | jakl | torrent is too slow |
| 06:26.58 | punsad | jakl: if you go to debian.org, look for the 'stable' release |
| 06:27.08 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: rather than writing !tell K|NgGh0sT whatever in the main channel, you can actually /msg dpkg and have a private conversation with it. |
| 06:27.20 | punsad | jakl: i've always found the http or ftp mirrors to be rather fast |
| 06:27.28 | jakl | sure |
| 06:27.36 | Dheart | Can I ask you for help, guys? |
| 06:27.54 | jakl | woody is stable too? |
| 06:27.57 | punsad | Dheart: just ask your question |
| 06:27.58 | chealer | Dheart: yes |
| 06:28.06 | punsad | jakl: woody is the old stable release |
| 06:28.29 | jakl | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ which iso file I should download? |
| 06:28.45 | jakl | There are many iso file in the http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 06:28.54 | K|NgGh0sT | WOOOT |
| 06:28.55 | K|NgGh0sT | SOUND! |
| 06:29.17 | punsad | jakl: none of those are 'stable'... those are 'testing' |
| 06:29.31 | K|NgGh0sT | I love me |
| 06:29.47 | Dheart | I had a problem with my grub on hda (the WIndows partiticion) and I run grub under knoppix but wrote:root (hd1,0) setup (hda,0) and now I can't load windows... how to fix? |
| 06:29.53 | punsad | jakl: go here: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 06:29.55 | jakl | Can I use test or stable? |
| 06:30.03 | K|NgGh0sT | jakl, use etch :D |
| 06:30.13 | punsad | jakl: is this a server or a workstation? |
| 06:30.26 | jakl | personal pc |
| 06:30.37 | punsad | jakl: i.e. do you need fairly new apps? sounds like this is for a workstation |
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| 06:31.02 | punsad | jakl: you probably want etch (i.e. testing)... come this october, etch is scheduled to become stable anyway... |
| 06:31.12 | jakl | OK |
| 06:31.21 | jakl | But which iso file should I download |
| 06:31.23 | punsad | jakl: are you fairly familiar with linux in general? |
| 06:31.33 | Vasistha | Dheart: does the computer give you a grub menu when you turn it on? |
| 06:31.43 | Dheart | Vasistha, yes |
| 06:31.48 | jakl | punsad:I have used slackware |
| 06:32.01 | Dheart | I can load debian, just can't load Windows |
| 06:32.12 | punsad | jakl: go for 3.1 r2 |
| 06:32.19 | Vasistha | Dheart: do you have an option to load windows, and that fails, or is there simply no option to boot windows? |
| 06:32.24 | jakl | punsad:ok |
| 06:32.50 | jakl | punsad:you see that which I should download |
| 06:33.00 | Dheart | Vasistha, there is option to load windows however when I target it it just returns me to main menu |
| 06:33.04 | jakl | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 06:33.15 | punsad | jakl: did you use it (slackware) extensively or just a little... from what I have heard slackware is even less user friendly than debian (which seems rather user friendly to me) |
| 06:33.49 | jakl | Because debian has more software than slk |
| 06:34.07 | Vasistha | Dheart: alright. are you booted on that machine in debian right now? If so, as root, run cfdisk -- we will just check and make sure the windows partition is marked with the "Boot" flag |
| 06:34.11 | jakl | I have used slackware only a little |
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| 06:34.23 | jakl | include apache server and php and so on |
| 06:34.30 | jakl | or desktop in the slk |
| 06:34.43 | jakl | I just want to try to use debian |
| 06:35.25 | punsad | jakl: get 'binary-1' from here http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/... looks like 3.1r2 iso isn't out |
| 06:35.29 | Dheart | Vasistha it is already marked as boot |
| 06:36.08 | Vasistha | Dheart: that's good. so you can quit out of that, and now we need to take a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 06:36.10 | punsad | jakl: if you 'just want to try it out'... consider trying a live cd ... particularly Ubuntu which is based on debian |
| 06:36.26 | jakl | well,I have used ubuntu too |
| 06:36.49 | Vasistha | jakl: so you're ready to actually install the distro and give it a -real- test-run? sounds good... |
| 06:37.15 | jakl | When I compile some software from ubuntu,it always exists some questions about gcc |
| 06:37.21 | Dheart | Vasistha here is my Windows section on /dev/hda1 |
| 06:37.21 | Dheart | titleMicrosoft Windows XP Professional |
| 06:37.21 | Dheart | root(hd0,0) |
| 06:37.21 | Dheart | savedefault |
| 06:37.21 | Dheart | makeactive |
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| 06:37.39 | punsad | jakl: all necessary packages may not have been installed |
| 06:37.42 | jakl | vasistha:maybe |
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| 06:38.23 | Vasistha | jakl: the nice thing about debian's stable branch is it's not much work to maintain the box and keep packages up to date, and everything working. |
| 06:38.28 | Dheart | Vasistha I'm at my grub.lst file |
| 06:38.33 | Vasistha | jakl: the disadvantage is that it's a little behind the times |
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| 06:38.40 | doojin | hi |
| 06:38.44 | Vasistha | Dheart: yeah, shoulda told you, you don't want to paste that all in here ;-) |
| 06:38.44 | punsad | jakl: I've been using debian since 2000 and haven't had the urge to try different distros since. (other than damnsmalllinux... and even that's based on knoppix which is based on debian) |
| 06:38.51 | doojin | Where do I ask hotmail related questions? |
| 06:38.57 | Dheart | I already noticed :) |
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| 06:39.09 | jakl | well,I know damnsmalllinux |
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| 06:39.10 | punsad | doojin: not here |
| 06:39.14 | jakl | and knoppix |
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| 06:39.35 | punsad | jakl: those are fun, aren't they? |
| 06:39.45 | Dheart | Vasistha did you see what I pasted? |
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| 06:40.06 | doojin | punsad : I am looking for |
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| 06:40.37 | cahoot | Dheart: I think you also need chainloader +1 - look here: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html#ss2.4 |
| 06:40.45 | iKernel | that was really laggy. |
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| 06:41.40 | zu22 | shogunx: hey your wvdialconf suggestion paid off, getting much better performance now with its init string than the default pppconfig init string of just "ATZ" :) |
| 06:41.41 | Vasistha | Dheart: give me just a second, I'm looking for a good web site to point you to. The windows boot needs to do rootnoverify and chainloader +1 ..... |
| 06:41.41 | jakl | punsad:archlinux is fun too |
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| 06:41.42 | zu22 | shogunx: you said i have to enable this module inthe kernel to get even better performance but i dont know how to do that yet. do u know? spd_vhi iirc |
| 06:41.42 | jakl | vectorlinux also |
| 06:41.42 | jakl | But I have never used debian |
| 06:41.44 | Dheart | cahoot I have chainloader+1 |
| 06:41.47 | Vasistha | Dheart: yeah, that's your problem. That won't boot windows. |
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| 06:42.09 | cahoot | Dheart: not in tha part you pasted |
| 06:42.13 | Vasistha | Dheart: oh, hmm, well, paste it in the paste bin |
| 06:42.32 | Dheart | titleMicrosoft Windows XP Professional |
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| 06:42.40 | Dheart | root(hd0,0) |
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| 06:42.54 | Dheart | chainloader+1 |
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| 06:43.08 | punsad | jakl: I was just interested in the various live distros... for full install distros... I look no further than debian |
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| 06:43.15 | Vasistha | Dheart: http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/grub/html_chapter/grub_4.html#SEC14 |
| 06:43.37 | Dheart | Vasistha, cahoot that's it... I tried to use my WinXP setup CD to fix mbr but it doesn't seem to wor |
| 06:43.38 | Dheart | k |
| 06:43.43 | jakl | punsad:Debian is enough |
| 06:43.46 | punsad | jakl: debian is the alpha and omega... all that you ever need from linux... just use it |
| 06:43.59 | punsad | jakl: :) |
| 06:44.06 | doojin | Does debian support amd64? |
| 06:44.14 | punsad | doojin: i believe so |
| 06:44.55 | Dheart | Vasistha this seems to be usefull I'm reading it at the moment |
| 06:45.07 | jakl | Can I install stable sarge first,and then upgrade to test etch? |
| 06:45.10 | Vasistha | Dheart: never let windows mess with your mbr, it's unhealthy for your computer ;-) hehe |
| 06:45.10 | Vasistha | Dheart: you should take out the line that says root(hd0,0) and replace it with rootnoverify (hd0,0) |
| 06:45.13 | punsad | jakl: yes |
| 06:45.24 | punsad | jakl: rather easily, too... (in principle) |
| 06:45.24 | Dheart | thanks to you and cahoot |
| 06:46.18 | Dheart | Actually having windows is unhealthy... just that it is third time I have grub problems because of it |
| 06:46.20 | punsad | jakl: when you've finished playing around with sarge... just edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file (i.e. change stable to testing, or sarge to etch) and go apt update, apt dist-upgrade.... and voila |
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| 06:46.45 | Vasistha | Dheart: well, it's unfortunately sometimes necessary. so be it. |
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| 06:46.55 | jakl | punsad:ok |
| 06:47.09 | punsad | jakle: that's what's so amazing about debian... now... there are some apps that get really screwed up with this... but I've never had major problems... |
| 06:47.10 | jakl | I'm downloading 31r1 |
| 06:47.17 | Dheart | Vasistha it's like having parents at home who don't want to learn how to use linux ;) |
| 06:47.30 | Dheart | Now to try the new Grub |
| 06:47.32 | Dheart | BRB |
| 06:47.40 | jakl | punsad:I'm downloading 31r1 |
| 06:47.46 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: did you ever get sound working from two apps simultaneously with arts ? |
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| 06:48.24 | _joey | how do I disable password for a user? |
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| 06:48.28 | punsad | jakl: cool... the install is text based.. so be prepared for that. But if you are familiar with partitioning schemes with linux, you should have no problem |
| 06:48.37 | _joey | so no password is needed |
| 06:48.38 | punsad | jakl: debian's harware recognition is really good |
| 06:48.41 | Vasistha | jakl: I think you want 31r2 not 31r1 |
| 06:48.51 | cahoot | _joey: use windows |
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| 06:49.01 | _joey | sorry? |
| 06:49.04 | zu22 | i am running Gnome and some window mangers show up in my Sessions button but others don't (such as twm), running Debian testing release, anyway i can force a window manager to show up? |
| 06:49.14 | jakl | vasistha:I can install 31r1 first and then uprgrade to 31r2 |
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| 06:49.27 | punsad | jakl: yes... very easily.. |
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| 06:49.31 | doojin | punsad : no it doesn't |
| 06:49.34 | Vasistha | _joey: if you're using KDE it's possible, may be possible with other WMs as well |
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| 06:49.48 | jakl | vasistha:I don't know where to download the 31r2 |
| 06:49.55 | _joey | Vasistha it's on remote server - no wm available |
| 06:49.59 | Vasistha | jakl: well then 31r1 will do ;-) |
| 06:50.09 | jakl | So I have to download 31r1 |
| 06:50.11 | Vasistha | _joey: uhh... I don't think you ought to do that |
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| 06:50.24 | jakl | punsad,vasistha:Do you use 31r2? |
| 06:50.24 | punsad | doojin: have you checked out http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 06:50.25 | cahoot | on a server? |
| 06:50.32 | Dheart | Vasistha the same thing again... |
| 06:50.46 | doojin | punsad : that's not an official one |
| 06:50.57 | _joey | nobody knows? |
| 06:51.05 | punsad | jakl: yes.. but I got there by starting with 3.1 original release and then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade 'ing |
| 06:51.06 | Vasistha | jakl: well, yeah, but the update was transparent. as long as you keep your system updated, you won't even notice going from r1 to r2 or r3 or whatever |
| 06:51.15 | cahoot | _joey: wht do you want to acheive - really? |
| 06:51.28 | Vasistha | Dheart: hmph. did you happen to write down any messages, or did the thing just sit there with a blank screen? |
| 06:51.34 | jakl | maybe |
| 06:51.35 | punsad | doojin: oh... nevermind |
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| 06:51.56 | Dheart | Well it writed the commans and then returned me to the menu.lst screen... |
| 06:52.25 | Dheart | I think I know the problem... thing I've corupted the boot.ini and now... Not a chance to load |
| 06:52.43 | _joey | setting up public account with no password |
| 06:52.57 | doojin | punsad : if I installed debian on a fedora partition, do I lose my datas? |
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| 06:53.31 | dli | doojin, if you don't format it |
| 06:53.40 | punsad | doojin: only if you reformatted the partition and wrote on top of it |
| 06:53.59 | doojin | dli : I thought I had to format it |
| 06:54.07 | dli | doojin, why? |
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| 06:54.14 | Vasistha | Dheart: I wonder if perhaps you did a map command that is confusing it. before the rootnoverify (hd0,0) you could add a line to unmap ... lemme get syntax |
| 06:54.18 | dli | doojin, you can remove folders |
| 06:54.20 | Vasistha | dheart (it might just be "unmap") |
| 06:54.26 | doojin | I installed mplayer on fedora and installed debianon the partition, do I still have mplayer? |
| 06:54.27 | punsad | doojin: the installer may default to reformat and if you didn't change it... it may have reformatted it |
| 06:54.38 | cahoot | Vasistha: he 'fixed' the mbr with w2k |
| 06:54.42 | punsad | doojin: type 'which mplayer' |
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| 06:54.51 | simonrvn | fixed it, as in brought it to the vet |
| 06:54.52 | doojin | do I still have a working mplayer? |
| 06:54.53 | Vasistha | cahoot: yeah, I remember... unfortunate, that |
| 06:55.05 | cahoot | Vasistha: err 'fixed' the mbr with the win tool |
| 06:55.07 | punsad | doojin: what does 'which mplayer' say |
| 06:55.07 | _joey | Vasistha in kde , setup user account with no password and then check /etc/passwd and how it differs from accounts with passwords set |
| 06:55.10 | jakl | http://linux.studenti.polito.it/download.php?iso=debian |
| 06:55.10 | _joey | please;) |
| 06:55.14 | doojin | punsad : I just supposed |
| 06:55.14 | jakl | 31r2 is here |
| 06:55.17 | jakl | http://linux.studenti.polito.it/download.php?iso=debian |
| 06:55.20 | Dheart | Vasistha, I'll try.. so the first row in the windows section should look like unmap? |
| 06:55.30 | Dheart | unmap |
| 06:55.36 | punsad | doojin: also.. why not just try starting mplayer and see what happens? |
| 06:55.50 | Vasistha | Dheart: I think so, I haven't verified it yet, though |
| 06:55.50 | doojin | punsad : ok |
| 06:55.51 | doojin | I'm getting out |
| 06:56.12 | _joey | hmmm |
| 06:56.13 | Dheart | Vasistha, never mind I think it's just the boot.ini file... |
| 06:56.19 | Dheart | well time to try |
| 06:57.04 | Dheart | Here comes the big moment... brb |
| 06:58.14 | zu22 | i am running Gnome and some window mangers show up in my Sessions button but others don't (such as twm), running Debian testing release, anyway i can force a window manager to show up? |
| 06:58.53 | Vasistha | _joey: you're asking me to do this? No, that's not how I do it. It's possible to set up the kde login manager to allow password-less logins, I don't think it's possible to create users without passowrds |
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| 07:02.20 | Vasistha | zu22: I don't know how it's done, but I would be looking around /etc/gnome or /etc/gdm or /etc/gdmrc ... stuff like that |
| 07:02.53 | zu22 | Vasistha: ah ok thanks |
| 07:03.08 | zu22 | Vasistha: is there any other desktops besides Gnome and KDE? |
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| 07:03.32 | zu22 | Vasistha: also how do i purge gnome2? there are so many packages , i wanna try plain X for a while |
| 07:03.33 | Vasistha | zu22: lots! fvwm, fluxbox, icewm, the list goes on and on ... there's that new mezzo thing |
| 07:03.46 | zu22 | Vasistha: ah |
| 07:04.05 | zu22 | vasistha: there are like 2 dozen gnome 2 packages i have in testing |
| 07:04.16 | zu22 | vasistha: is there a meta package i can 'dpkg --purge' to remove gnome ? |
| 07:04.17 | Vasistha | zu22: well I'd personally recommend getting comfortable with a WM before purging gnome completely, unless you are short on hard drive space |
| 07:04.22 | K|NgGh0sT | just apt-get remove gnome should kill it |
| 07:04.29 | zu22 | K|ingGH0st: ok thx |
| 07:04.45 | zu22 | is there any difference between 'apt-get remove' and 'dpkg --purge' ? |
| 07:04.55 | zu22 | Vasistha: ah |
| 07:05.17 | jakl | Gnome is in which iso? |
| 07:05.32 | K|NgGh0sT | Personally, I love KDE |
| 07:05.37 | K|NgGh0sT | Fluxbox is nice too |
| 07:05.45 | Vasistha | zu22: I use KDE myself, though my reasons for doing so are running thin. I may go to a lighter-weight desktop soon... but I really do like a lot about kde |
| 07:06.05 | Vasistha | jakl: I'm not sure, but you could just download it with apt automatically during the installation |
| 07:06.19 | jakl | ok |
| 07:06.24 | K|NgGh0sT | Vasistha, ya KDE is pretty hefty |
| 07:06.26 | Vasistha | jakl: ...unless for some reason you will be installing it on multiple computers, but I don't think that's your situation |
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| 07:06.39 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: especially on my poor old 333 mhz with 192 ram |
| 07:06.45 | el-mexicano | mrtg drives me crazy |
| 07:06.51 | K|NgGh0sT | you have got to be kidding me |
| 07:06.56 | zu22 | Vasistha: ah i never tried KDE |
| 07:06.56 | jcdubacq_ | hi. I am trying to build a package from source. But when I build the package, the epoch (2:) in front of the version number is removed |
| 07:07.14 | el-mexicano | i got these in my cpu.cfg > |
| 07:07.15 | el-mexicano | LoadMIBs: /usr/share/snmp/mibs/UCD-SNMP-MIB.txt |
| 07:07.16 | el-mexicano | Target[localhost.cpu]:ssCpuRawUser.0&ssCpuRawUser.0:public@localhost + ssCpuRawSystem.0&ssCpuRawSystem.0:public@localhost + ssCpuRawNice.0&ssCpuRawNice.0:public@localhost |
| 07:07.20 | Vasistha | zu22: it's nice... what can I say? and it has a whole slew of wonderful packages |
| 07:07.22 | K|NgGh0sT | I have a PIII 700 w/ mobo w/256 megs of ram sitting in a box doing nothing |
| 07:07.28 | Vasistha | !tell el-mexicano about paste |
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| 07:07.45 | jcdubacq_ | should I just rename the file adequately? |
| 07:07.46 | Vasistha | k |
| 07:07.47 | el-mexicano | hey, just two lines |
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| 07:07.58 | zu22 | i have another problem, some applications start up in X beyond my screen size (1024x768) is there a way to force X to dynamically re-size all apps to the physical resolution of my LCD? |
| 07:08.04 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: err, oops, one thing is that this is a laptop |
| 07:08.16 | zu22 | Vasistha: i may check it out |
| 07:08.18 | K|NgGh0sT | ah |
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| 07:08.25 | K|NgGh0sT | well I'm not giving you my laptop ;) |
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| 07:08.59 | zu22 | for example some apps in X will load at 1600x1200 size! and my poor screen is just 1024x768 |
| 07:09.01 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: did I ask? hehheh. well, anyway, I love my laptop. it has a few weird quirks, but some really amazing things, too |
| 07:09.18 | zu22 | so i have to resize the dimensions of the app manually whcih is getting very annoying |
| 07:09.31 | zu22 | in Windoze it wont allow app to be larger than screen resolution |
| 07:09.50 | zu22 | so i really want all apps in X to start up at MOST at 1024x768 as limit |
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| 07:09.51 | Dheart | Vasistha, SUCCES... the unmap didn't help but I tried to fix boot.ini with WInXP CD and succes |
| 07:09.55 | Vasistha | zu22: that's kinda weird. I would kind of expect that is a desktop manager thing... |
| 07:09.57 | Dheart | Thanks a lot |
| 07:10.00 | K|NgGh0sT | Vasistha, I'm in love with this laptop, and wil never buy anything but asus again |
| 07:10.10 | Vasistha | Dheart: hey, awesome! glad to hear it |
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| 07:10.14 | zu22 | vasistha: ah, i was thinking of removing gnome desktop and see if problem goes away |
| 07:10.18 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: it is an asus laptop? |
| 07:10.26 | K|NgGh0sT | yeah |
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| 07:10.32 | zu22 | Vasisth: is there way in Xresources Xsession to specify the largest size an app can be when it starts? |
| 07:11.09 | Vasistha | zu22: I don't think -removing- gnome will help. Just try something else... try kde ;-) |
| 07:11.10 | K|NgGh0sT | zu22, you can have as many window managers as you want |
| 07:11.17 | Vasistha | zu22: you know, I really don't know how to specify something like that. I kind of think it's up to the desktop environment |
| 07:11.23 | zu22 | KingHost: what model Asus? i am looking for used laptop, my price range is $500 and it must be at least 1 GHz and compatiable with Linux |
| 07:11.38 | zu22 | Vasistha: heh |
| 07:11.40 | K|NgGh0sT | Mines a little more money then that heh |
| 07:11.46 | jakl | byebyte |
| 07:11.51 | zu22 | KingHost: so if i install KDE i dont have to remove GNOME? |
| 07:12.10 | Vasistha | zu22: no, not at all |
| 07:12.22 | K|NgGh0sT | zu22, no just switch what session you want in GDM |
| 07:12.23 | zu22 | K|ingh0st: oh heh, do u know a good $500 USD second hand laptop? |
| 07:12.44 | K|NgGh0sT | zu22, not really, maybe an old ibm or somethin |
| 07:12.48 | zu22 | K}Inghost: GDM only lets me choose a window manager (when i click session, and some wm like twm aren't even in there) |
| 07:12.58 | Vasistha | how long has asus been manufacturing laptops? |
| 07:13.10 | zu22 | ah |
| 07:13.31 | K|NgGh0sT | Vasistha, a while now |
| 07:13.47 | K|NgGh0sT | Vasistha, their Z70 and Z71 was their huge hits |
| 07:13.53 | Vasistha | zu22: well if you install kde-core and kdm ... I'll check the packages if you like ... then you can run kdm with kde, although switching will be more difficult |
| 07:13.59 | zu22 | and even though i removed WindowMaker GDM keeps asking me "Do you want to keep using wmaker.desktop as your default?" :( how can i remove that problem? |
| 07:14.05 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: "a while" is a bit vague... |
| 07:14.49 | zu22 | Vasistha: ah, i may just purge GNOME and try running plain X + a window manager and see if problem goes away |
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| 07:14.57 | Vasistha | el-mexicano: sorry I can't help you, man, I have no idea... |
| 07:15.04 | teledyn | bye freenode |
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| 07:15.13 | K|NgGh0sT | I have a Z71 and a V67 |
| 07:15.18 | Vasistha | el-mexicano: and... some people will paste two lines and then try to paste ten, so I thought I'd give you an early warning! |
| 07:15.18 | el-mexicano | n.p |
| 07:15.21 | K|NgGh0sT | Vasistha, I couldnt tell ya |
| 07:15.28 | p00f | http://tinyurl.com/kmme8 |
| 07:15.45 | el-mexicano | i know, that it is bad! |
| 07:15.47 | Vasistha | zu22: really, there's no point purging gnome. Have you tried another one of the wm's on the gdm menu? |
| 07:15.59 | Vasistha | p00f: what is that url for? |
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| 07:16.21 | K|NgGh0sT | zu22, apt-get install kde |
| 07:16.24 | K|NgGh0sT | then use KDM |
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| 07:17.02 | zu22 | Vasistha: yes i tried icewm and liked that except when i click the menus i have to click to access each sub-menu, i prefer just clicking menu once and it lets me mouse through all the sub-menus without clicking |
| 07:17.04 | Vasistha | zu22, K|NgGh0sT: I think kde is a pseudopackage, I think all that's needed to try at first is kde-core |
| 07:17.25 | Vasistha | zu22: yeah... I know what you mean. did you try any of the others? |
| 07:17.27 | zu22 | K|ngH0st: k |
| 07:17.43 | zu22 | Vasistha: i trie fluxbox and something else |
| 07:18.05 | Vasistha | !ops <p00f> http://tinyurl.com/kmme8 |
| 07:18.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin: vasistha complains about: <p00f> http://tinyurl.com/kmme8 |
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| 07:19.18 | Vasistha | zu22: yeah, you should try kde. lemme double-check on that package issue |
| 07:19.59 | Vasistha | huh, I've been hearing so many jazz renditions of "someday my prince will come" lately ! |
| 07:20.49 | Vasistha | zu22: btw, one reason I would argue against purging gnome completely is there may be a few apps you want to keep, e.g. synaptic, gaim, pan -- I love those apps, the kde counterparts just are not as good in my opinion |
| 07:21.26 | zu22 | vasistha: ah ok |
| 07:21.55 | zu22 | vasistha: there is a much newer Gnome but i am running testing so unless i find a backport i must use this older gnome2 releease |
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| 07:22.35 | Vasistha | zu22: yeah, that's the thing about debian... we're a little behind the times :-) But that's okay, we don't have as many headaches, I think |
| 07:23.10 | sid | sarge is supposed to be behind the times...that's the point. |
| 07:23.14 | sid | That is what makes it _stable_ |
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| 07:23.27 | sid | If it were 6 month release cycles...it shouldn't be called stable. |
| 07:23.36 | sid | sarge is for production servers...if you have a desktop use etch |
| 07:23.50 | Vasistha | I use sarge on my desktop, it's the best... |
| 07:24.20 | sid | You can use sarge on a desktop too if you want. Lots of people do this. |
| 07:24.28 | sid | Lots of people use etch on the desktop also. |
| 07:24.44 | maheem | hi2 all. who has a problem in k3b at etch testing? |
| 07:24.45 | sid | Lots of people use backports with sarge...and get a ton of crap from backports...and essentially are using etch. |
| 07:24.55 | sid | !tell maheem about bts |
| 07:25.00 | sid | !tell maheem about #kde |
| 07:25.16 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:25.16 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:25.23 | sid | !#debian-kde |
| 07:25.23 | dpkg | somebody said #debian-kde was where you want to go to discuss KDE on Debian |
| 07:25.24 | tarzeau | sid: bullshit |
| 07:25.37 | tarzeau | sid: lots of people use sid. and the stuff in backports are not a ton of crap |
| 07:25.38 | sid | tarzeau: asian beavers |
| 07:25.43 | tarzeau | sid: moron |
| 07:25.56 | sid | sid: Where did I say lots of people don't use sid? |
| 07:26.23 | sid | tarzeau: I didn't say stuff in backports is crap...I said people will get a ton of crap from backports. |
| 07:26.32 | sid | sid: I think you're misunderstanding my words. |
| 07:26.42 | tarzeau | sid: tell me what's a ton of crap in backports then |
| 07:26.43 | zu22 | tarzeu: hi |
| 07:26.46 | Vasistha | sid: I'd have to say that ... from my perspective, anyway, there's quite a bit of difference. The nice thing about sarge is I know I won't have to download and configure a new kde if it comes out. But if I like, I could just get a couple backported packages, without having my whole system in flux |
| 07:27.23 | tarzeau | sid: you said people use backports with sarge and that's not the same like using etch |
| 07:27.27 | sid | tarzeau: I was remarking on how some people will use sarge...but they just upgrade every package from backports |
| 07:27.32 | tarzeau | there's a big difference there |
| 07:27.35 | sid | tarzeau: which essentially makes their system etch |
| 07:27.40 | sid | without a libc upgrade and other things |
| 07:27.42 | tarzeau | then they didn't read what backports is for |
| 07:27.51 | tarzeau | and this amount of people is small, and they're doing it wrong |
| 07:28.08 | sid | tarzeau: I understand...You're jump on me...I was just commenting. |
| 07:28.32 | tarzeau | sid: we use backports (albeit doing our own, with sarge libc) and of course we test everything how it works, and it's not crap (people from backports.org do the same) |
| 07:28.51 | tarzeau | i was just wanting to make sure people DO use backports if it fits their needs |
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| 07:29.14 | Vasistha | zu22: why don't you apt-get kde-core and give KDE a whirl? ;-) |
| 07:30.16 | Sazpaimon | quick question |
| 07:30.24 | Sazpaimon | say I have a process running from another session |
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| 07:30.40 | Sazpaimon | is there any way I can view the output of said process in my current session |
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| 07:30.49 | Sazpaimon | to "jump into" the pid if you will |
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| 07:31.25 | Vasistha | tarzeau: I think you're giving sid an unduly hard time, he was only giving his opinion, it's not "wrong" |
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| 07:32.37 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: I've been wondering about that lately. I just recently learned how to use Ctrl+Z, jobs, fg, bg ! |
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| 07:33.29 | zu22 | Vasistha: yeah being a bit behind is ok with me generally since it means fewer bugs and headaches :) debian is very stable |
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| 07:33.44 | zu22 | sid: i am running testing (etch) not sarge (stable) |
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| 07:34.27 | el-mexicano | how to get an old mrtg version? |
| 07:34.35 | sep | !snapshot |
| 07:34.35 | dpkg | methinks debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 07:35.14 | zu22 | vasistha: i am dialup ;) how big is kde-core let me see |
| 07:35.19 | Sazpaimon | yea, it'd be really useful for me |
| 07:35.24 | Sazpaimon | like if I run my plesk updater |
| 07:35.34 | Sazpaimon | I'd like to jump into the process and see how it's doing |
| 07:35.36 | Vasistha | zu22: um, big. a lot smaller than "kde" though ! ... thing is, it has a lot of dependencies |
| 07:35.59 | zu22 | what is reason to run unstable instead of testing? if you run sid stuff can break easily and often i heard |
| 07:36.02 | sep | Sazpaimon, start it in a screen session, then you can detatch screen and reattache it later, (or from a different location) |
| 07:36.23 | Sazpaimon | sep, let's say I start it from my control panel |
| 07:36.29 | Sazpaimon | but, I have its pid |
| 07:36.34 | sep | Sazpaimon, control panel ? |
| 07:36.41 | Sazpaimon | plesk in my example |
| 07:36.43 | chealer | zu22: participating to Debian QA |
| 07:36.44 | sep | Sazpaimon, oh you mean X |
| 07:36.46 | zu22 | so do debian developers and packagers use sid so they can catch bugs and package for unstable? otherwise why use it? the cost-benefit risk analysis seems to side with testing hehe |
| 07:36.48 | sep | have no idea |
| 07:36.52 | Sazpaimon | no |
| 07:36.53 | Sazpaimon | not X |
| 07:36.55 | Vasistha | zu22: I think you're looking at at least 50 MB |
| 07:36.55 | Sazpaimon | Plesk |
| 07:37.02 | Sazpaimon | a web control panel |
| 07:37.07 | Sazpaimon | I run a process through there |
| 07:37.09 | Sazpaimon | it creates a pid |
| 07:37.16 | Sazpaimon | and has output |
| 07:37.25 | Sazpaimon | said output is emailed to me when its finished |
| 07:37.30 | zu22 | chealer: ah yeah QA |
| 07:37.36 | Sazpaimon | I'd like to attach that pid's output to my ssh session |
| 07:37.41 | Sazpaimon | follow me? |
| 07:37.47 | zu22 | chealer: did you get invited to do that or you volunteer? |
| 07:38.02 | sep | Sazpaimon, i do not belive you can do that then, |
| 07:38.08 | Sazpaimon | :/ |
| 07:38.09 | Vasistha | !tell Sazpaimon about enter |
| 07:38.24 | sep | Sazpaimon, if you can, it would be a plesk feature. look there |
| 07:38.30 | Sazpaimon | valdyn, its a habit |
| 07:38.32 | chealer | zu22: me? I don't use unstable |
| 07:38.32 | Sazpaimon | err |
| 07:38.35 | Sazpaimon | Vasistha |
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| 07:38.46 | sep | Sazpaimon, ofcouse this is just guesswork. i'm not familiar with plesk |
| 07:38.47 | Sazpaimon | One I really need to break |
| 07:38.52 | maheem | sid, thanx go for watch |
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| 07:39.12 | zu22 | Vasistha: ok i will let it run overnight, if i want to switch back to gnome i just remove kdm and install gdm right? |
| 07:39.15 | Sazpaimon | sep, the plesk updater simply runs a command via commandline. I'd just like to view the output. |
| 07:39.34 | _pagey007 | whats an easy way to install java? |
| 07:39.35 | Sazpaimon | Most I've figured out is strace, which is kind of what I want |
| 07:39.37 | deadgrub | what do you do when grub setup tell everything is ok, but you get a blank screen on boot, when grub should display ? |
| 07:39.39 | Vasistha | zu22: you don't even need to remove anything. Especially since you are on dialup, I would recommend not uninstalling stuff |
| 07:39.48 | zu22 | chealer: ah ok |
| 07:40.19 | zu22 | vasistha: ok, i meant i will just use gdm to switch back right? |
| 07:40.20 | Vasistha | I think reconfiguring the xserver will allow you to specify the default DM. |
| 07:40.25 | Vasistha | !drxx |
| 07:40.25 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 07:40.40 | zu22 | i tried this lisp display manager (ldm) and it never ran (gdm keeps running) even after a reboot so should i file a bug ? |
| 07:40.46 | sep | Sazpaimon, edit the command to redirect output to a file. then you can tail this file. |
| 07:40.46 | Vasistha | zu22: you could, sure, KDE can run on top of gdm, then you can switch around all you watch |
| 07:41.07 | sep | Sazpaimon, but again, im not familiar with plesk :) |
| 07:41.11 | Sazpaimon | sep, yea, but I'd need to modify plesk, which I dont think I'm allowed to. |
| 07:41.16 | _pagey007 | cannot get lm sensors to work in Sarge? |
| 07:41.20 | Vasistha | zu22: no, that has to do with what is listed in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 07:41.44 | Vasistha | s/watch/want/ (two messages back |
| 07:41.46 | zu22 | Vasisthat: oh |
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| 07:42.09 | Sazpaimon | let's just say I run a command and bg it, then I close my ssh session, but the program is still running. How can I view the output from another ssh session? |
| 07:42.16 | Sazpaimon | Or is this not possible? |
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| 07:42.40 | appolito | hi, i want to use mail in my script and i'm a on a network, where i can't use my own smtp. is it possible to tell him (mail) the adress of smtp server? |
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| 07:43.40 | sep | Sazpaimon, yikes looked at lpesk screenshots on the web.. it's ghastly :) |
| 07:44.03 | zu22 | Vasisthat: so how do use this ldm? |
| 07:44.04 | Vasistha | zu22: I think you can just change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to read ldm instead of gdm -- but other people have said it's better to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:44.12 | Vasistha | zu22: but that ldm will probably not make a substantial difference to your GUI experience |
| 07:44.16 | Sazpaimon | sep, it's got its good and bad sides. I like watchdog 2.0 though. It examines the entire server for exploits and rootkits |
| 07:44.35 | sep | Sazpaimon, you can fg it, but the sane thing would be to start the command in a screen session in the first place |
| 07:45.05 | Sazpaimon | sep, screen session meaning X? |
| 07:45.15 | sep | Sazpaimon, screen is screen |
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| 07:45.37 | sep | Sazpaimon, it's one of my most used tools. next to vi, and tail :) |
| 07:45.50 | Sazpaimon | oh, screen is a commnd? |
| 07:45.54 | sep | Sazpaimon, yes. |
| 07:46.28 | Sazpaimon | so it basically lets me multitask? |
| 07:46.31 | sep | Sazpaimon, install it, then man screen |
| 07:46.40 | Sazpaimon | It's installed |
| 07:46.51 | sep | Sazpaimon, screen is a whole religion. you must experience it |
| 07:47.12 | Sazpaimon | yikes |
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| 07:47.18 | Sazpaimon | it also flashes white on my screen |
| 07:47.27 | Sazpaimon | I'd rather not have linux give me a seizure |
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| 07:47.30 | sep | ctrl +a is the default trigger key, and you can use 0-9 to swap screens, c to create and d to detatch |
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| 07:47.52 | Vasistha | sep: thanks for that tip, I'll have to check that out. I wonder if you can answer another console-ish question... lemme see how to phrase it... |
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| 07:47.54 | sep | Sazpaimon, it's a lot like ALT+F1-9 for ssh |
| 07:48.03 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: so turn of the visible bell.. |
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| 07:49.14 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, still flashes |
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| 07:50.05 | xnor | is it possible to start a job with very low priority? |
| 07:50.29 | formorer | man nice |
| 07:50.30 | deadgrub | xnor: nice |
| 07:50.30 | Vasistha | oh yeah, I remember... if I first run a console task and append ampersand & to the command, it will keep it running, outputting to the terminal |
| 07:50.45 | xnor | great thanks ill try it |
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| 07:51.14 | Vasistha | if I run a command and forget to include the & then I can use Ctrl-Z to background it... but then it's no longer running. It is possible to give it the & command after it's started? |
| 07:51.26 | deadgrub | bg |
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| 07:53.16 | Vasistha | deadgrub: ah, I see! thanks! along with ctrl-z ... that works! |
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| 07:53.51 | coder | Hi! I have Debian Sarge 3.1r2 and want install kernel 2.6.16.18. - This bad idea? |
| 07:54.13 | ic3man05 | if you know what your doing then no |
| 07:54.23 | Vasistha | coder: well, that kernel is not in sarge... |
| 07:54.47 | ic3man05 | do you have a reason to go to 2.6 or do you just want it? |
| 07:55.06 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: then it's because your term has a visual bell set; use xterm +vb or similar. |
| 07:55.24 | coder | Vasistha: yes, of course. I download from kernel.org. |
| 07:55.25 | Sazpaimon | my term = putty |
| 07:55.45 | qweo | coder: if it isn't server,update to testing/unstable isn't bad idea too (imho) |
| 07:55.54 | dondelelcaro | uh... then adjust your terminals settings. |
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| 07:56.06 | ic3man05 | testing is working fine for me, 2.6.15 kernel |
| 07:56.07 | Phated | Putty settings, look for visual bell. |
| 07:56.12 | coder | thanks |
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| 07:57.10 | Vasistha | coder: rather than compiling from kernel.org it might be more appropriate to get a kernel from etch/testing, or sid/unstable -- there are some debian-specific kernel tweaks to be aware of. |
| 07:57.14 | dondelelcaro | or were even sitting there when he said it... |
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| 07:58.03 | iKernel | :( |
| 07:58.10 | iKernel | I have big problem with quake4 |
| 07:58.42 | ic3man05 | iKernel, whats wrong? |
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| 07:59.05 | mixter | hi! are there any similar function as the microsoft/iis disabling "parent paths" in apache and php? i'd like to isolate the websites on my webserver from eachother |
| 07:59.25 | iKernel | The menu is fine, but the game is unplayablely slow, and there are models that don't get drawn, like the soldier's bodies. their heads are drawn |
| 07:59.30 | blondie | mixter: #apache |
| 07:59.45 | ic3man05 | I take it your running nvidia or ati right? |
| 07:59.46 | qweo | iKernel: glxinfo|grep direct please |
| 07:59.51 | iKernel | ok |
| 08:00.04 | mixter | blondie: thanks! |
| 08:00.05 | iKernel | direct rendering: No |
| 08:00.11 | qweo | heh |
| 08:00.17 | iKernel | qweo, that why? |
| 08:00.24 | qweo | it's problem :) Just install needed drivers |
| 08:00.36 | iKernel | qweo, but i have |
| 08:00.53 | qweo | what card you're use? |
| 08:01.04 | iKernel | qweo, Geforce 660 |
| 08:01.07 | iKernel | qweo, Geforce 6600 |
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| 08:01.36 | ic3man05 | # nvidia-xconfig |
| 08:01.39 | ic3man05 | that might work |
| 08:01.42 | iKernel | qweo, Should I install drivers from deb package and uninstall the ones I got from nvidia's site? |
| 08:01.44 | iKernel | ic3man05, ok |
| 08:01.53 | qweo | iKernel: better .deb |
| 08:01.54 | ic3man05 | I have the latest from nvidia |
| 08:01.59 | ic3man05 | working fine for me |
| 08:02.03 | qweo | iKernel: try dri |
| 08:02.04 | ic3man05 | I have a 6600GT |
| 08:02.09 | qweo | dri.freedesktop.org |
| 08:02.21 | qweo | i not sure what it's working with your card |
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| 08:02.44 | qweo | but with my radeon 9550 it's working fine :) |
| 08:03.17 | qweo | see dri.freedesktop.org |
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| 08:03.40 | Faithful | I am trying to compile an Xorg driver but it only has an IMakefile and when I run xmkmf the Make file it creates is not particularly useful... it has no compile objects in. |
| 08:04.14 | iKernel | qweo, I am unsure about that |
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| 08:05.38 | ic3man05 | ikernel, http://xaos-realms.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5 |
| 08:05.44 | ic3man05 | this is my method on my server |
| 08:05.50 | ic3man05 | so it might be slow to load |
| 08:06.21 | queton | Help! no icons in my Evolution. |
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| 08:08.06 | stefano | join #caristudenti |
| 08:08.17 | stefano | sorry :) |
| 08:08.34 | iKernel | ic3man05, kernel@debian:~$ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status |
| 08:08.35 | iKernel | Status: Disabled |
| 08:08.44 | queton | instead of icons, i have what look like a doc folded in the corner and a red cross in the middle. |
| 08:09.50 | ic3man05 | ikernel, $ lsmod | grep agp |
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| 08:11.04 | queton | no one here is a Evolution user? |
| 08:11.16 | deadcat | nop |
| 08:11.20 | iKernel | ic3man05, agpgart 33072 2 nvidia,sis_agp |
| 08:11.38 | iKernel | i don't want it to be agpgart |
| 08:11.50 | queton | shit, wrong place or wrong time or both. |
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| 08:12.02 | deadcat | ya.. |
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| 08:12.12 | ic3man05 | there really isn't to big of a difference to agpgart or the nvidia one |
| 08:12.37 | ic3man05 | how did you install the drivers? |
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| 08:16.46 | ic3man05 | ikernel, I have to go to bed. Here is my xorg.conf (http://pastebin.com/738835) and you have my method of installation. Good luck |
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| 08:18.28 | Champignon | Lussa |
| 08:18.30 | crazy_penguin | good mornin' ! // jo napot!// buna ziua! :) |
| 08:18.38 | ic3man05 | good night! |
| 08:18.42 | Champignon | waw, in all languages :') |
| 08:18.47 | Champignon | that's so kind |
| 08:18.52 | Champignon | even in all time areas ! |
| 08:19.26 | _pagey007 | java in Sarge? |
| 08:19.35 | _pagey007 | any takers/ |
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| 08:19.51 | VoX | you're asking if i'm gay? |
| 08:19.59 | _pagey007 | lol |
| 08:20.10 | _pagey007 | no java for Sarge |
| 08:20.42 | _pagey007 | what repo for synaptic? |
| 08:21.26 | chealer | _pagey007: /topic |
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| 08:23.49 | deadcat | yay.. 2.6.16.18 and freakin udev is working (= |
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| 08:25.00 | Phated | \o/ |
| 08:25.21 | stefano | hello. I've been using amavis-new in sarge and I was configuring all my domains as local domains on the config file. now in sid there are a lot of config files to face and I can't get the spam correctly detected on other domain but the main one...any suggestion? |
| 08:26.04 | deadcat | Phated: yay hehe |
| 08:26.21 | deadcat | Phated: check out some photos i took over the weekend |
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| 08:26.30 | Phated | deadcat: Bring it on. |
| 08:26.46 | deadcat | Phated: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2006/ busy 2 months. |
| 08:26.51 | Phated | \o/ |
| 08:27.09 | formorer | stefano: @local_domains_acl = ( ".$mydomain", ".baz.org", ".foo.com"); |
| 08:27.32 | deadcat | Phated: airport extreme card is pretty supported now. time to go linux (= |
| 08:27.49 | Phated | deadcat: Oh, shutup. |
| 08:28.07 | deadcat | oh ya |
| 08:28.20 | stefano | formorer: thank you. it's the way it's set now but it doesn't work. it just gets for ".$mydomain" |
| 08:29.08 | Phated | deadcat: MacWorld Expo! |
| 08:29.31 | deadcat | Phated: ya. sucked. nothing there.. |
| 08:29.35 | Phated | deadcat: Bah. |
| 08:30.04 | deadcat | Phated: been running 5K, 4Mile, 12K races lately (= |
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| 08:30.29 | Phated | deadcat: Cool! |
| 08:31.06 | dli | deadcat, 12K is too much for a small cat, but just so so for a big cat |
| 08:31.24 | deadcat | Phated: ya. bay to breakers was like 60,000 people. but most were just there to party and drink |
| 08:31.31 | Phated | \o/ |
| 08:31.32 | deadcat | dli: hehe |
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| 08:32.12 | deadgrub | do grub need any device in /dev while in stage 1.5 or 2 ? |
| 08:32.14 | formorer | stefano: I can't reproduce this here, its working fine |
| 08:32.39 | deadcat | dli: ran the 12K in 1:06:03, )= damn mayor did it in 59:04.. he get good start while i get stuck with those drunks at the middle |
| 08:32.42 | stefano | formorer: I'll have a deeper look... |
| 08:32.52 | formorer | stefano: start amavis in debug mode |
| 08:32.55 | dli | deadgrub, no, grub doesn't need anything in /dev or anything from linux api |
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| 08:33.21 | dli | deadcat, quite slow for a cat :( |
| 08:34.13 | deadcat | dli: ya 8:51/mile pace is pretty slow.. )= my goal is to do it under 1hr.. AND beat the damn mayor |
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| 08:35.06 | dli | deadcat, usually, the speed of the cat totally depends on the mouse :( |
| 08:35.28 | deadcat | hahah |
| 08:35.33 | deadcat | you confusing me |
| 08:36.02 | dli | deadcat, kidding only, since nobody is asking a debian quesiton |
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| 08:36.14 | deadcat | funny thing is that i run with a bunch of people who are hella fast.. 6min/mile pace |
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| 08:36.23 | deadcat | (= its late night. |
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| 08:37.26 | tarzeau | say i have alias sudo='ssh root@$LOCALHOST' how can i make it also put me into the current `pwd` ? |
| 08:37.50 | deadcat | WHY? |
| 08:37.54 | Douglas77 | Hi everybody! Since an apt-get upgrade (sid) on Wed, the fonts in Thunderbird look ugly (maybe related to the activated subpixel-hinting). Anyone else got this problem, or have I done SomethingStupid(tm)? :) |
| 08:38.13 | tarzeau | Douglas77: can you show a screenshot? |
| 08:38.15 | dli | tarzeau, it looks like su rather than sudo |
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| 08:38.24 | Douglas77 | tarzeau: just a sec... |
| 08:38.26 | tarzeau | dli: no, i want to use sudo here |
| 08:38.31 | tarzeau | dli: because su asks me for a password |
| 08:38.37 | tarzeau | dli: and no i can't use the real sudo |
| 08:38.43 | deadcat | tarzeau: then setup sudo with no passwd. |
| 08:38.55 | tarzeau | deadcat: no that's not possible. i know technically how |
| 08:38.59 | tarzeau | deadcat: but it's forbidden here |
| 08:39.06 | tarzeau | no don't ask, just help me with my question |
| 08:39.06 | deadcat | oh |
| 08:39.11 | tarzeau | i mean is my question not clear? |
| 08:39.17 | deadcat | ya |
| 08:39.45 | stefano | formorer: lookup_hash(myaddress), no matches |
| 08:39.50 | stefano | formorer: is it right? |
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| 08:39.56 | pitillo | tarzeau, making another alias to pwd (ina var) and alias sudo='ssh root@$LOCALHOST:$var' ? |
| 08:40.26 | Phated | tarzeau: Why not just 'ssh root@localhost cd $(pwd)'? |
| 08:40.35 | Douglas77 | http://images.isja.org/images/tb_ugly.png |
| 08:40.41 | tarzeau | Phated: i tried that with cd `pwd` and it didnt' work |
| 08:40.49 | deadcat | Phated: because that will end the ssh session once the command is done |
| 08:40.52 | Phated | Ah-hah. |
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| 08:41.00 | tarzeau | deadcat: that's fine |
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| 08:41.04 | tarzeau | deadcat: that's what i want |
| 08:41.04 | Douglas77 | The fonts in the messages itself are ugly too, but I can't post them -- company-related mails |
| 08:41.04 | formorer | stefano: there are tons of hash lookups |
| 08:41.09 | deadcat | tarzeau: oh |
| 08:41.12 | tarzeau | deadcat: if i want to login i can use alias su="ssh root@$HOST" |
| 08:41.32 | tarzeau | deadcat: and this alias is only for the user not root |
| 08:41.52 | stefano | formorer: it seems to be working... |
| 08:41.56 | deadcat | what exactly you want to do again? sudo='ssh root@localhost "cd to a dir"' ? |
| 08:42.01 | formorer | stefano: good :) |
| 08:42.04 | stefano | perhaps I should just train SA a little more :) |
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| 08:42.42 | tarzeau | Phated: i also tried exactly your suggestion, and that doesn't work |
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| 08:42.50 | formorer | stefano: you can see that a domain is considered local it it goes through SA |
| 08:43.00 | tarzeau | pitillo: how can i make this ina var stuff? |
| 08:43.00 | formorer | stefano: all others will only get virus scanning |
| 08:43.02 | Phated | tarzeau: :( |
| 08:43.31 | deconvolution | hi, when I pluged my second SATA drive to the motherboard (port 4), when booting kernel panic and it complains no root devices found for /dev/sda1 |
| 08:43.37 | tarzeau | pitillo: i don't get how your suggestions works |
| 08:43.48 | Douglas77 | tarzeau: What about a shellscript that's called by ssh? sth like cd $1; shift; $@ and alias sudo='ssh root@localhost shellscript.sh' |
| 08:44.07 | tarzeau | Douglas77: yes i can do that. so it's not possible with just an alias? |
| 08:44.16 | tarzeau | Douglas77: the thing is where do i put the shellscript? |
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| 08:44.20 | deconvolution | so I just pluged out, and try to plug it after boot, then the system cannot find and SATA drive |
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| 08:44.25 | tarzeau | Douglas77: i have nfs user homes. and i have alot of machines |
| 08:44.54 | deconvolution | where can i find the information about the sequence of /dev/ device? |
| 08:45.00 | Douglas77 | tarzeau: in the home of your normal user? (or in its bin/ ) |
| 08:45.21 | pitillo | tarzeau, Im trying to do what I thought :) |
| 08:45.38 | dli | deconvolution, I think you can use sg_map, sg_scan to locate scsi dev, install sg3_utils |
| 08:46.40 | stefano | formorer: often mail come with "undisclosed recipient": what does it do in those cases? |
| 08:47.59 | deconvolution | dli: sg_scan only return 1 device sg0 |
| 08:48.23 | dli | deconvolution, make sure you have kernel support first |
| 08:48.51 | deconvolution | dli: when I pluged in , kernel produce : nv_sata: Secondary device added |
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| 08:49.07 | deconvolution | but i still cannot see it anyway |
| 08:49.16 | deconvolution | s,anyway,anywhere |
| 08:49.30 | formorer | stefano: it uses the envelope |
| 08:49.41 | dli | deconvolution, that means the low level driver is okay |
| 08:49.42 | tarzeau | Douglas77: it works. thank you |
| 08:49.51 | stefano | formorer: ok, good. thank you! you've been really helpful |
| 08:49.56 | tarzeau | Douglas77: root cant' access home directories of users. but it doesn't need to |
| 08:50.02 | dli | deconvolution, check all modules needed |
| 08:50.08 | deconvolution | dli: i tried /dev/sdb sdc, sdd, .... |
| 08:50.11 | formorer | stefano: no problem |
| 08:50.12 | deconvolution | ok |
| 08:50.29 | Douglas77 | tarzeau: glad it worked :) |
| 08:50.41 | stefano | formorer: one of my domains was missing... here's the problem...all the undetected spam was coming from there |
| 08:50.41 | deconvolution | dli: which modules do I need |
| 08:50.47 | tarzeau | Douglas77: i'd never do such a hack at home. oh well |
| 08:50.50 | formorer | stefano: :) |
| 08:51.30 | stefano | formorer: debian rules, always |
| 08:51.37 | formorer | of course ;) |
| 08:51.39 | stefano | also for this channel |
| 08:51.59 | dli | deconvolution, sorry, I can not search for you |
| 08:52.48 | tarzeau | how can i use getent to get the shell of a user? |
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| 08:54.12 | petemc | tarzeau: getent passwd user |
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| 08:55.42 | nagulator | hello everybody |
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| 08:55.51 | unix_infidel | how do i comment out multiple lines in vim using visual line? |
| 08:55.53 | unix_infidel | i forgot how. |
| 08:55.53 | nagulator | I just decided to migrate to debian from fedora |
| 08:56.10 | sep | nagulator, congratulations |
| 08:56.44 | nagulator | I have had enough of "free as in beer" vendors and most of all I hate gentoo pathologically |
| 08:56.59 | nagulator | I am going to be using netinstall iso |
| 08:57.12 | iKernel | Hi, I'm following instructions: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt I got up to step 3, this part: m-a a-i -i -t -f nvidia-kernel but build failed: http://pastebin.com/738872 |
| 08:57.16 | zu22 | Vasistha: ok cool |
| 08:57.29 | dli | nagulator, no need to be nagging, just ask your questions |
| 08:57.53 | deadstage2 | any clue: /usr/lib/yaird/exec/run_init: opening console: No such file or directory ? |
| 08:58.20 | deadstage2 | that's right after "Switching root" |
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| 08:59.19 | sep | deadstage2, i refuse to answer that question. since the answer is in the first hit of a google search on yarid /dev/console |
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| 08:59.29 | nagulator | I would like to ask you guys if there is a concrete installation guide, things that are taken for granted and thus often overlooked |
| 08:59.49 | sep | !install guide |
| 08:59.50 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 08:59.52 | nagulator | I have been using linux since early editions of the kernel, but i have never tried debian :P |
| 09:00.05 | sep | !reference |
| 09:00.05 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 09:00.10 | chealer | iKernel: which release do you use? |
| 09:00.14 | nagulator | thanks sep, anything else asides those two? |
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| 09:00.37 | zu22 | i just upgraded from 2.2.x to 2.4.x kernel and now i have a tmpfs mounted on /dev/shm, is that for swap? i didn't have this with 2.2.x kernel |
| 09:00.51 | sep | !faq |
| 09:00.51 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 09:01.11 | nagulator | hmm sep, many things distributed :P |
| 09:01.24 | sep | !wiki |
| 09:01.48 | sep | nagulator, debian is a distributed project :) |
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| 09:02.20 | sep | nagulator, but dont forget. docs are in /usr/share/doc/packagename. |
| 09:02.29 | sep | nagulator, so wheneven you install a package look in there |
| 09:02.42 | nagulator | I will |
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| 09:03.05 | nagulator | I will try the netinstall method for the time being, there is no need to download an entire iso for packages that are outdated |
| 09:03.19 | nunu | hello can anyone tell me were I can get help with my bobot++ ? It's running already, but I'm searching for a HOWTO on how to write scripts for it |
| 09:04.11 | zu22 | is this the best/most-up-date guide on packaging intro? http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 09:05.30 | good_day_4all | i want to setup cvs. Can any one suggest some packages please |
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| 09:06.44 | jes-o-mat | aptitude install cvs? |
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| 09:06.59 | wishkah | is there a xorg-7.1 deb package yet? |
| 09:07.16 | jes-o-mat | packages.debian.org? |
| 09:07.56 | wishkah | i didn't find it in ftp.debian.org/debian/pool |
| 09:08.22 | wishkah | aren't those identical? |
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| 09:08.29 | Sparticus | does anyone know a router or a firewall i can get which i can select which ports to have open or closed on each public IP? |
| 09:09.01 | nagulator | another question guys: status of gnome is 2.15 ? |
| 09:09.08 | nagulator | for debian-testing I mean |
| 09:09.17 | nagulator | can I use this as production desktop |
| 09:09.52 | azeem | nagulator: 2.15 is unstable |
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| 09:10.05 | azeem | 2.14 is supposed to enter testing at some point hopefully soon |
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| 09:10.16 | azeem | there are still some bits of 2.14 missing in unstable, though |
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| 09:10.40 | sep | spantiga, firewall in linux is allways iptables. you can write your own rules. or use a frontend to write the rules. i prefer shorewall, but there are many others too. |
| 09:10.46 | nagulator | thanks azeem |
| 09:10.46 | chealer | and there are parts of 2.14 in testing already |
| 09:10.50 | sep | Sparticus, firewall in linux is allways iptables. you can write your own rules. or use a frontend to write the rules. i prefer shorewall, but there are many others too. |
| 09:11.12 | chealer | wishkah: X11R7 is modular. there's no more a single package for it |
| 09:11.14 | nagulator | so what is the default desktop thing for 3.1r2? |
| 09:11.18 | nagulator | it is 2.12 ? |
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| 09:11.39 | azeem | nagulator: we don't update packages in stable point releases |
| 09:11.41 | wishkah | chealer: so I've heard. but aren't the "base" modules still combined in the xserver-xorg package? |
| 09:11.49 | nagulator | thanks azeem |
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| 09:11.53 | azeem | except for critical or security bugs |
| 09:11.53 | sep | nagulator, default desktop ? you know how many window manages you can choose from in debian :) |
| 09:12.09 | nagulator | sep: you can choose anything |
| 09:12.16 | nagulator | but debian is pro - gnome I think |
| 09:12.17 | Sparticus | sep - thats fine for my linux machines but not my windows ones, however my router doesnt allow me to turn off the firewall completely.... so i need something that can handle upto 256 public IP's and can configure each IP's ports differently |
| 09:12.20 | chealer | wishkah: something like that, I guess |
| 09:12.32 | azeem | Debian is not anti-anything |
| 09:12.43 | nagulator | yup, only pro - gnome, I have no problems with that |
| 09:12.44 | wishkah | chealer: anyway, the latest unstable xserver-xorg is 7.0, so I guess I'll have to wait |
| 09:12.55 | stefano | going...goodbye |
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| 09:13.05 | nagulator | what I want is to have it running with java, mono, xgl and a good desktop for everyday office work :P |
| 09:13.19 | tarzeau | ~popcon |
| 09:13.25 | apt | popcon is, like, rumour has it, popularity contest is http://popcon.debian.org/, or install popularity-contest to take part |
| 09:13.25 | chealer | wishkah: yeah, if you really need something from 7.1 |
| 09:13.36 | sep | Sparticus, whats your problem then ? |
| 09:13.51 | tarzeau | nagulator: no, debian is not pro gnome |
| 09:13.58 | nagulator | ok whatever |
| 09:14.09 | nagulator | I am going to be using xgl so I guess this means gnome |
| 09:14.14 | tarzeau | nagulator: maybe some debian people (especially the gnome maintainers) are |
| 09:14.16 | sep | Sparticus, shorewall supports many public ip's im sure most of the other advanced frontends do too. |
| 09:14.21 | Sparticus | sep: i have a range of public IP's that I need different firewall rules for and also need the same ports opening on some of them |
| 09:14.25 | nagulator | compiz does not like kde :S |
| 09:14.58 | sep | Sparticus, so do that then what is stopping you ? |
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| 09:15.54 | Sparticus | sep: my router is stopping me, it wont let me open the same port and point it to more than one machine |
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| 09:16.59 | sep | Sparticus, your replacing your router with debian+ iptableas ? |
| 09:17.39 | nagulator | a question now. How would you compare debian to the gentoo crappola |
| 09:18.16 | sep | nagulator, i woudn't they are too different. |
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| 09:18.35 | nagulator | my own problem with gentoo has to do with portage |
| 09:18.55 | nagulator | attentive analysis shows up that both rpm and deb can be better if the user knows how to deploy them |
| 09:18.57 | formorer | Sparticus: I prefer ferm or firehol |
| 09:19.27 | formorer | Sparticus: but if you want to take ferm use the 1.2 snapshots from max kellermann |
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| 09:19.57 | nagulator | i mostly compile from source, I think that what tarballs are for; nevertheless good binary redistributions are always important |
| 09:19.57 | Sparticus | is there not some hardware to do this? |
| 09:20.04 | sep | Sparticus, ofcouse if you use a cheapo router with no 1to1 nat capability you cant do what you say,. you must use real tools. not playthings. |
| 09:20.49 | sep | Sparticus, do you belive that your current router dont have software (firmware) ? you can use whatever device you want. as long as it can do 1to1 nat |
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| 09:21.47 | Sparticus | sep - im willing to fork out for something that will do the job though... i just want to know what will do it |
| 09:22.16 | sep | Sparticus, any real firewall/router will including debian+iptables. 1to1 nat is a common scenario |
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| 09:24.56 | Sparticus | sep - i'd rather buy the router that can do it because i dont have a clue how to setup the ip tables |
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| 09:25.42 | iKernel | !congratulate iKernel |
| 09:25.42 | dpkg | Huzzah iKernel, you did it! |
| 09:25.46 | iKernel | kernel@debian:~$ glxinfo|grep direct |
| 09:25.46 | iKernel | direct rendering: Yes |
| 09:25.48 | iKernel | :D |
| 09:25.56 | sep | Sparticus, that's what the frontends are for... |
| 09:26.21 | sep | Sparticus, so buy some device then, this is not a #debian question |
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| 09:26.33 | E-bola | hello |
| 09:26.34 | Sparticus | where should i be asking for help then? |
| 09:26.48 | formorer | some IT consultant? |
| 09:27.44 | dli | iKernel, which video card? |
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| 09:28.31 | iKernel | dli, Nvidia Geforce 6600 |
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| 09:29.08 | dli | iKernel, then, it should work out of box :( |
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| 09:29.47 | dli | iKernel, it took me long to get DRI on my S3 ProSavage |
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| 09:31.42 | iKernel | dli, Mate, I've had this card for a month now and I've only just got everything working: The card, sound, and direct rendering. |
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| 09:32.21 | iKernel | dli, So no, it did not working out of the box. nv_disable_pat=1 in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.mine was my saviour |
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| 09:32.47 | iKernel | dli, And an uninstall then reinstall of nvidia drivers. |
| 09:32.56 | dli | iKernel, sound is in kernel, nvidia the trick is to try the newest .run from nvidia.com, |
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| 09:33.34 | iKernel | dli, Well, I'm happy now, because everything is working. |
| 09:33.39 | nunu | nobody an idea where I can get help with my bobot++? |
| 09:33.47 | MrHart | hi, can someone help? |
| 09:33.49 | MrHart | root@1[knoppix]# apt-cache search java |
| 09:33.49 | MrHart | E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:1: Malformed Tag |
| 09:33.52 | dli | iKernel, no wireless ? |
| 09:33.57 | nagulator | ok something for precaution: what should a debian user never do to debian? |
| 09:34.03 | dli | !tell MrHart about anyone |
| 09:34.14 | iKernel | dli, Wireless works as well. I have to run /sbin/dhclient though |
| 09:34.17 | babyju | has anyone tried vmware server for linux? |
| 09:34.30 | samuel | i need a boot disk to delete all dirs except /home before installing linux - any ideas on a decent one? |
| 09:34.50 | dli | iKernel, put " ifave eth0 inet dhcp " or something similar in your interfaces |
| 09:35.01 | MrHart | how can I get apt-get running again? |
| 09:35.12 | dli | samuel, gentoo livecd |
| 09:35.29 | formorer | urgs |
| 09:35.31 | formorer | wrong channel |
| 09:35.37 | dli | samuel, it's small and fast, and enough tools, knoppix is bloated |
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| 09:36.11 | formorer | samuel: http://freshmeat.net/projects/diskzapper/ |
| 09:36.23 | formorer | samuel: but remove the harddisk with home first ;) |
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| 09:36.45 | formorer | upps seems down |
| 09:36.54 | formorer | samuel: you can also use a grml-small |
| 09:37.32 | Phat32 | $ ls -l /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gstreamer-0.8.pc returns -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 406 2005-03-16 14:11 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gstreamer-0.8.pc How do I fix this? I am trying to compile something that requires this package... |
| 09:38.15 | lazy_ | MrHart, find the syntax error in /etc/apt/apt.conf and fix it |
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| 09:39.48 | MrHart | lazy_: k but what is the error? |
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| 09:40.41 | lazy_ | MrHart, you have access to the file, I don't |
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| 09:40.55 | MrHart | cashe-limit 1500000000 |
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| 09:42.15 | lazy_ | MrHart, did you make this up? |
| 09:42.22 | java_dev | how can i setup a name server something like ns1.something.com and ns2.something.com? |
| 09:42.53 | MrHart | lazy_: someone told me that it should be altered |
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| 09:44.06 | lazy_ | MrHart, next time you better read the man page. the correct syntax is APT::Cache-Limit [...] |
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| 09:44.16 | Douglas77 | java_dev: You might want to read the bind-HOWTO |
| 09:44.37 | MrHart | lazy_: k but wat is the cache-limit? |
| 09:44.45 | MrHart | that is what I need....I gues |
| 09:45.12 | lazy_ | MrHart, it's all explained in the man page |
| 09:45.40 | lazy_ | apt.conf(5) |
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| 09:47.28 | nagulator | ok another question: what does #debian think about the LSB |
| 09:48.06 | RichiH | is there a way to make apt-listbugs ignore the closed bugs when using it within apt-get? |
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| 09:48.25 | MrHart | man apt does not say what the cache-limit should be... |
| 09:48.51 | Phat32 | $ ls -l /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gstreamer-0.8.pc returns -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 406 2005-03-16 14:11 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gstreamer-0.8.pc How do I fix this? I am trying to compile something that requires this package... |
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| 09:54.16 | diazepam | can anyone throw up the name of the base-package that is required to install gstreamer under etch? |
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| 09:55.06 | Phat32 | $ ls -l /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gstreamer-0.8.pc returns -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 406 2005-03-16 14:11 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gstreamer-0.8.pc How do I fix this? I am trying to compile something that requires this package... |
| 09:55.12 | Phat32 | Do I need to chmod something? |
| 09:55.19 | Phat32 | Can anyone help me? |
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| 09:57.26 | queton | if i want a command to be executed at the start of a kde session, which script file should i add it into? |
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| 09:58.24 | Douglas77 | Phat32: Could you tell us what you are trying to compile, and which error-message you get? |
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| 09:59.25 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 10:00.05 | queton | is it .kderc? |
| 10:00.08 | pingouin | someone using bluetooth cell phone with success ? Which bluetooth adaptator choose which run well with Debian/Gnu Linux ? any advice about the cell phone ? please, thank you |
| 10:00.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | could someone point me to the modern debian sarge netinstall cd with kernel 2.6 on it? becuas i just cant find my way around on the ftp server |
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| 10:00.49 | formorer | the default netinstall has 2.6.8 |
| 10:01.00 | xored | i just updated from confix 3.1.1 to 3.1.2 and now, when you try to create a DB as customer, he say he cant connect to the DB. i checked to config twice, privleged user set. Maybe an issue with the DB ( 4.0.18 ) |
| 10:01.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | formorer, do you know if there is an 2.6.8 netinstall floppy? |
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| 10:01.32 | blondie | DJ-Marcuzz: I get it from here (mainly because it's in the next room): http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:01.34 | SlayerXP | xored: what's confix? |
| 10:01.38 | queton | where are all the smart asses? |
| 10:01.53 | blondie | DJ-Marcuzz: you have to tell it to use 2.6 when you run it |
| 10:02.18 | xored | SlayerXP: Confixx - Hosting administration tool. But i think its an MYSQL problem :/ |
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| 10:02.42 | SlayerXP | xored: "apt-cache search" returns no hits for it. |
| 10:02.52 | xored | its not free |
| 10:02.55 | queton | wth, guy pretending to be girl. |
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| 10:04.11 | formorer | DJ-Marcuzz: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 10:04.20 | formorer | but I'm not sure if they have 2.6 |
| 10:04.33 | DJ-Marcuzz | former, they don't :( |
| 10:04.56 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz: they do. |
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| 10:05.21 | Gnea | just not on that site |
| 10:05.35 | nagulator | o0k it is debian installation time |
| 10:05.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | Gnea, where do i find boot floppys with 2.6 then :S |
| 10:05.46 | nagulator | wish me luck it will take some hours using netinstall :S |
| 10:06.22 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz: looks like they flipped things around, try the access/ dir |
| 10:06.30 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz: i'm not 100% sure on that. |
| 10:07.06 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok then leave it, ill just burn an cd then, but hows the installer these days, does it support lvm2 and such? |
| 10:08.22 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 10:08.23 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 10:08.48 | good_day_4all | i have problem using sudo |
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| 10:09.04 | good_day_4all | how can i use sudo so that it wont ask for root password |
| 10:09.20 | streuner | good_day_4all: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 10:09.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | ./o\ @ dpkg |
| 10:09.26 | dli | good_day_4all, be specific, example ? |
| 10:10.24 | Jel | is there any way to play music over samba ? |
| 10:10.28 | good_day_4all | dli : sudo ifconfig |
| 10:10.43 | Jel | streaming... amarok and kaffeine seem to shit themselves when i try |
| 10:10.43 | Jel | :( |
| 10:10.43 | blondie | Jel: what does that mean? |
| 10:10.44 | good_day_4all | its asks for the root password. |
| 10:10.56 | dli | good_day_4all, are you using debian at all ? |
| 10:10.59 | blondie | good_day_4all: sudo doesn't ask for the root password, and it sucks |
| 10:11.09 | lhb | good_day_4all: try sudo -i |
| 10:11.09 | Jel | you know, using samba to connect to a pc (the pc using windows), and accessing it's mp3 storage :) |
| 10:11.41 | blondie | Jel: yes, that should work fine (assuming you can access the files) |
| 10:12.07 | evilgeek | hm. |
| 10:12.41 | evilgeek | i think i've configured LDAP correctly (in that finger and ldapsearch behave correctly), but i still cannot login as or su to an LDAP user. |
| 10:12.43 | good_day_4all | i am getting error as "user" is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
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| 10:12.57 | evilgeek | staring at the differences between this configuration and a working configuration, i don't get what's going wrong. |
| 10:13.17 | blondie | you're just too evil. |
| 10:13.27 | dli | good_day_4all, I don't care you are reading ubuntu howto or not, to do it in debian, login as root, or , "su", and "ifconfig" |
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| 10:13.42 | evilgeek | so, yeah. is there anything that i'm particularly likely to have messed up? |
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| 10:14.50 | good_day_4all | dli : it gives me message that i need to edit /etc/sudoers. |
| 10:15.01 | evilgeek | (i should mention what's going wrong. when i attempt to login at the console as an LDAP user, i get "User not known to the underlying authentication module." when i type the correct password, and "Login incorrect" when i type an incorrect password. thus, it must be authenticating correctly, though authentication is done via kerberos thanks to some hack who used to admin these systems.) |
| 10:15.17 | good_day_4all | i want to know for user "john" what i need to add in /etc/sudoers. |
| 10:15.37 | dli | good_day_4all, as I said, do, "su" instead of "sudo" |
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| 10:17.42 | Phat32 | Douglas77, I am trying to install thoggen-0.4.2 ---> http://pastebin.com/738952 |
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| 10:19.01 | wishkah | good_day_4all: "username ALL = ALL" |
| 10:19.10 | pengol | hi there is it possible to map the windows key to acht like the shift key? |
| 10:19.15 | evilgeek | yeah. don't do what wishkah said. |
| 10:19.29 | wishkah | hehe |
| 10:19.45 | evilgeek | (i think he needs a set of parentheses on the RHS.) |
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| 10:20.12 | wishkah | always use visudo, then there's no risk of malformed files locking you out |
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| 10:23.34 | Phat32 | $ ls -l /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gstreamer-0.8.pc returns -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 406 2005-03-16 14:11 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gstreamer-0.8.pc How do I fix this? |
| 10:23.46 | Phat32 | I am trying to install thoggen-0.4.2 |
| 10:23.56 | nax | hi, i'm having trouble installing debian sarge on an amd64 (opteron) box. i'm using the unofficial amd64 netinstall cd image, but the aacraid kernel module included does not work with this machine. i am stuck. any help? |
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| 10:24.12 | Phat32 | http://pastebin.com/738952 for the compile error |
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| 10:24.49 | quitte_ | I'm trying to create a xen image of etch with xen-create-image. but for some reason it fails telling me something went wrong with the debootstrap installation |
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| 10:26.39 | RoyK | what is there to do if the debian installer doesn't recognize the cdrom? |
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| 10:27.23 | GaaH | (o.O) |
| 10:27.41 | Phat32 | RoyK: net install? |
| 10:27.59 | RoyK | yes |
| 10:28.28 | quitte_ | never mind. just ran out of diskspace |
| 10:28.50 | Phat32 | RoyK |
| 10:28.52 | sep | RoyK, netinstall from pxe, or from floppy |
| 10:28.55 | sep | or from usb |
| 10:28.55 | petemc | quitte_: good job you're using lvm then |
| 10:28.56 | Phat32 | can't you install from ftp? |
| 10:29.11 | messju | hi. can I downgrade from etch to sarge and keep the etch-kernel? |
| 10:29.14 | quitte_ | petemc: heh. right. |
| 10:30.21 | Phat32 | $ ls -l /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gstreamer-0.8.pc returns -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 406 2005-03-16 14:11 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gstreamer-0.8.pc How do I fix this? |
| 10:30.28 | jelly-ho | messju: downgrade is hard. you could reinstall sarge and throw the new kernel on it. |
| 10:31.52 | Maulkin | Phat32: What's the problem? |
| 10:32.02 | Maulkin | !downgrade |
| 10:32.02 | dpkg | well, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
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| 10:34.39 | messju | jelly-ho: thanks. i just asked because I wasn't able to install sarge with the sarge installer (hardware too new) but was able to use an etch-install disk |
| 10:35.03 | sep | messju, use the 2.6.15 sarge installer ? |
| 10:35.06 | sep | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 10:35.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
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| 10:36.15 | Phat32 | omg someone responded |
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| 10:36.29 | zoghome | flashplayer8 for debian anybodee? |
| 10:36.44 | Phat32 | Maulkin: I'm sure what the problem is. I'm trying to compile something and I'm getting an error on the ./configure step |
| 10:36.55 | Phat32 | http://pastebin.com/738952 for the compile error |
| 10:36.57 | messju | oh. that sounds great! |
| 10:37.06 | messju | (@sep) |
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| 10:38.54 | sep | Phat32, you have ? libgstreamer0.8-dev o? |
| 10:39.11 | redblades | Hi, my computer was autoloading my USB stick, but I forgot to unmount first and now it doesn't automount it |
| 10:39.17 | sep | Phat32, (adapt to your version) :) |
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| 10:41.38 | KimHansen | The new Java packages in unstable has all the binaries, but I still need to download the documentation from sun.com. What is the reason for that? |
| 10:41.54 | brokencluster | #flood |
| 10:42.24 | Douglas77 | Phat32: do u _have_ version >=0.8.10 ? |
| 10:42.38 | Gnea | KimHansen: separate package |
| 10:43.07 | KimHansen | Gnea, yes, but that package is just an installer package |
| 10:43.28 | ekkikrist | java is non-free |
| 10:43.28 | Gnea | KimHansen: how did you install java in debian in the first place? |
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| 10:44.06 | KimHansen | I am talking about the package sun-java5-doc |
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| 10:44.21 | Gnea | and i'm talking about the big picture |
| 10:44.47 | Phat32 | Douglas77, I have version 0.8.8-2 |
| 10:44.59 | Phat32 | Do I need another version? |
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| 10:45.21 | KimHansen | Gnea: sun-java2-jdk and some other sun-java2-* packages |
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| 10:45.27 | Douglas77 | Phat32: Last time I looked, 8 wasn't >= 10 |
| 10:45.32 | Douglas77 | *g* |
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| 10:46.35 | Gnea | KimHansen: due to the way debian handles licensing issues, some packages require special processes to install in order to keep the distribution sane. apt-cache show sun-java5-doc even tells you what must be done. |
| 10:46.48 | Gnea | s/processes/procedures/g |
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| 10:47.10 | KimHansen | Gnea: Yes, I understand what must be done. But I want to find the reason |
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| 10:47.19 | Gnea | KimHansen: i just told you the reason. |
| 10:47.27 | KimHansen | Which license is it that causes the problem? |
| 10:47.36 | ekkikrist | the non-free one. |
| 10:47.46 | Gnea | i'm not a dd, so i don't know |
| 10:47.58 | Gnea | but it's non-free, so that right there places it in a special category |
| 10:48.10 | KimHansen | ekkikrist: I am looking for a more specific answer |
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| 10:48.41 | Gnea | KimHansen: you should look at the license information that arrives with the package, and then read the website that explains the licensing issues |
| 10:49.03 | KimHansen | I find it a little funny that the binaries are free enough now, but the documentation is still in an installer package |
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| 10:49.39 | KimHansen | I have looked in /usr/share/doc/sun-java2-doc/, but that didn't explain it. |
| 10:50.10 | Gnea | KimHansen: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 10:51.55 | aidehua | Can I put something in /etc/aliases that causes mail to a user to bounce? |
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| 10:52.34 | blondie | aidehua: maybe if it aliases to a non-existent user |
| 10:52.49 | aidehua | plan |
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| 10:54.28 | loco | hello, i need some help, I use DSL in a very very old computer, with just 1 usb port, how can I run to work my wireless usb router in there? |
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| 10:55.08 | loco | it doesnt detect the usb |
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| 10:57.26 | Gnea | loco: how old is 'very very old'? |
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| 10:58.58 | nagulator | oh boy |
| 10:59.02 | nagulator | I managed to install it |
| 10:59.05 | nagulator | with bitchx |
| 10:59.15 | nagulator | :P |
| 10:59.20 | Gnea | why bitchx? |
| 10:59.28 | nagulator | because I am on cli mode still |
| 10:59.33 | nagulator | i just needed a client |
| 10:59.41 | Gnea | irssi-text > bitchx :) |
| 10:59.44 | susp3ct | who you callin a bitch ;) |
| 10:59.46 | nagulator | this is stripped to the bone install |
| 10:59.47 | nagulator | ha ha |
| 10:59.52 | Gnea | susp3ct: your mom ;) |
| 11:00.01 | susp3ct | lol thats harsh |
| 11:00.02 | nagulator | I could use some help from this channel now |
| 11:00.05 | susp3ct | my mums dead |
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| 11:00.11 | Gnea | ack, sorry |
| 11:00.37 | susp3ct | but ur mum was aight last night :D |
| 11:00.41 | susp3ct | hehe j/k |
| 11:00.46 | Gnea | LOL |
| 11:00.48 | susp3ct | she really isnt |
| 11:00.49 | nagulator | ok some help now |
| 11:00.49 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:00.51 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:00.54 | susp3ct | hey |
| 11:01.00 | nagulator | I want to move to a 2.6.xx series kernel |
| 11:01.00 | susp3ct | im blind |
| 11:01.05 | Mazingaro | please how can I burn an .nrg image file with linux? |
| 11:01.12 | nagulator | will that require something different? |
| 11:01.20 | nagulator | meaning do I have to move to testing |
| 11:01.22 | Gnea | nagulator: what branch are you running now? |
| 11:01.28 | nagulator | 3.1r2 |
| 11:01.28 | Gnea | nope |
| 11:01.30 | Eclipser | Mazingaro, nrg2iso to convert it to iso |
| 11:01.35 | nagulator | i downloaded the netinstall iso |
| 11:01.38 | Gnea | you can apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 11:01.38 | Mazingaro | Eclipser: thanks |
| 11:01.40 | Maulkin | nagulator: Possibly, it depends on your hardware, and if you have anything specialised installed. Generally though, no |
| 11:01.54 | fluxdude | is there any way of stopping cron from sending info on what it's running the user who owns the cron job? |
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| 11:02.10 | nagulator | Maulkin: thanks, my hardware is 2.6.xx compliant, worked with previous linux distros |
| 11:02.26 | nagulator | and in anycase I only buy hardware that is Linux/BSD compliant :P |
| 11:02.28 | Gnea | nagulator: or are you thinking about just reinstalling from scratch? if so, just boot with the 2.6.8 kernel that the netinst ships with. at boot: linux26<enter> |
| 11:02.37 | nagulator | saves time and space |
| 11:02.39 | nagulator | ahhhh |
| 11:02.55 | nagulator | Gnea: hmm reinstall from scratch? |
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| 11:03.11 | Gnea | nagulator: well, you mentioned getting the netinstall iso |
| 11:03.19 | nagulator | right |
| 11:03.27 | nagulator | if i use apt-get to install kernel 2.6.xx |
| 11:03.36 | Gnea | that typically implies installation |
| 11:03.38 | nagulator | will the result be different from if I reinstall? |
| 11:03.39 | Gnea | then you won't need it |
| 11:03.42 | Gnea | not really |
| 11:03.44 | fluxdude | I keep getting emails with subjects like: "Cron <me@hostname> /path/somecommand" |
| 11:03.46 | Maulkin | fluxdude: After each crontab line, add ">/dev/null" |
| 11:04.00 | Gnea | you just let it do its thing, and if it doesn't error out, you should be able to simply reboot and select the kernel |
| 11:04.00 | nagulator | ok I am just trying to figure out the debian thing right now guys |
| 11:04.08 | nagulator | I have not used it previously |
| 11:04.09 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:04.10 | nagulator | nice |
| 11:04.11 | Maulkin | fluxdude: That way you'#ll only get mailed with errors |
| 11:04.38 | nagulator | I just hate gentoo, do not make me go there, I hate them pathologicaly fro various reasons :P |
| 11:04.38 | De_Mon | what would cause a mirrored array to become corrupt? failing drive is the only thing I can imagine |
| 11:05.04 | Gnea | De_Mon: hardware or software raid? |
| 11:05.07 | nagulator | ok let's do what you said Gnea |
| 11:05.18 | nagulator | what was the command again? |
| 11:05.22 | Gnea | well |
| 11:05.26 | De_Mon | Gnea hardware |
| 11:05.27 | nagulator | apt-get install kernel-2.6 ? |
| 11:05.30 | Gnea | find it first... apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 11:05.34 | Gnea | there should be several |
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| 11:05.45 | nagulator | brn |
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| 11:05.56 | Gnea | pick the one that best suits your cpu - cat /proc/cpuinfo or uname -m |
| 11:06.04 | susp3ct | apt-get susp3ct is sexy :D |
| 11:07.03 | fluxdude | Maulkin: thanks, I've tried that, I'll see if it works... |
| 11:07.04 | nagulator | nice precompiled kernels |
| 11:07.09 | nagulator | lets choose a duron kernel |
| 11:07.10 | nagulator | :P |
| 11:07.16 | Gnea | De_Mon: sounds like it's a bad disk, perhaps both disks have issues |
| 11:07.28 | Gnea | -k7 |
| 11:07.46 | Gnea | ^^^ that will cover nearly all AMD 32bit cores |
| 11:08.12 | nagulator | yeah |
| 11:08.23 | De_Mon | the whole point of raid to protect against drive failures. How irritating! |
| 11:08.28 | Gnea | are you using lilo or grub? |
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| 11:08.40 | Gnea | De_Mon: hope you made backups |
| 11:08.41 | debian | hola |
| 11:08.47 | nagulator | grub of course |
| 11:08.51 | Gnea | cool |
| 11:08.54 | nagulator | i always use grub |
| 11:09.00 | Gnea | it should update your menu.lst by default then |
| 11:09.03 | nagulator | lilo is simply overly complicated for no reason |
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| 11:09.09 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:09.17 | nagulator | and grub has a lot of extra candy :P |
| 11:09.24 | Gnea | true |
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| 11:09.34 | De_Mon | Gnea nope! I'm being paid to revise -- err create their dissaster recovery plan though :) |
| 11:09.38 | debian | join #debian_es |
| 11:09.50 | Gnea | !beer De_Mon |
| 11:09.56 | Gnea | De_Mon: here, you're gonna need this ;) |
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| 11:10.10 | nagulator | so in anycase you suggest i do not reinstall debian with linux26 option |
| 11:10.25 | nagulator | will programs compiled against 2.4 kernel headers face problems though |
| 11:10.25 | Gnea | not unless you absolutely must |
| 11:10.32 | Gnea | no |
| 11:11.19 | fwest | excuse me for being stupid, but i don't seem to be able to play sound, i've got my drivers loaded, kmix seems to find a mixer, not sure whats going on, i don't seem to have a /dev/dsp, im in the audio group, can't think what im missing |
| 11:11.19 | De_Mon | mmm thanks |
| 11:11.19 | Gnea | debian has a separate tree for that |
| 11:11.19 | debian | join #debian_es |
| 11:11.19 | nagulator | Gnea: a scenario for a must - reinstall for 2.6.xx series |
| 11:11.20 | Gnea | it keeps programs on the same level regardless of what kernel is running, as long as the kernel matches the CPU type |
| 11:11.20 | liable | fwest: modprobe snd-pcm-oss ?? |
| 11:11.20 | nagulator | you are being very helpful I appreciate it |
| 11:11.20 | Gnea | i do what i can |
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| 11:11.33 | ma3x | why are there never updates from deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main ? |
| 11:11.33 | fwest | liable: let me see, |
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| 11:11.35 | Gnea | nagulator: and you're not being rude nor jumping to conclusions |
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| 11:11.38 | Gnea | !beer nagulator |
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| 11:11.47 | nagulator | he he |
| 11:11.47 | nagulator | thanks |
| 11:11.50 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:12.07 | nagulator | I think I am going to like #debian, most OSS channels are full of trolls for no reason |
| 11:12.19 | Gnea | nagulator: usually, if you were to upgrade to testing or unstable and found it to be too much, a reinstall may be necessary |
| 11:12.28 | Gnea | oh, we got trolls |
| 11:12.42 | Gnea | mostly on sundays |
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| 11:12.53 | nagulator | oh boy, you will be amazed at how many you will find in #gentoo for example |
| 11:12.57 | fwest | no sound but i do now have a /dev/dsp |
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| 11:13.00 | Gnea | hehehe |
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| 11:13.01 | nagulator | it is their way and nobody else's |
| 11:13.21 | stoned | oh man, I am finally beginning to feel normal. Past two days I've went to bed at a decent hour and woken up early in the morning. About godamn time. |
| 11:13.23 | Gnea | yeah, come sunday, you can pretty much forget finding anything intelligent in here |
| 11:13.57 | nagulator | hmm ok now we have to fix a couple of things |
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| 11:14.03 | Gnea | ? |
| 11:14.10 | nagulator | meaning I haveto use good old vi and edit menu.lst |
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| 11:14.21 | Gnea | ah |
| 11:14.22 | stoned | nagulator, you cannot escale the Troll |
| 11:14.25 | nagulator | need to make so that console uses 1280/1024 mode |
| 11:14.26 | stoned | escape* |
| 11:14.28 | fwest | hmm, i can't cat /dev/urandom | /dev/dsp :S |
| 11:14.31 | stoned | They are here as well |
| 11:14.51 | nagulator | I will just do this Gnea: echo $TROLL > /dev/null |
| 11:15.01 | Gnea | good move :) |
| 11:15.03 | stoned | ahh |
| 11:15.06 | stoned | that Gnea fuck is talkin |
| 11:15.09 | stoned | hah |
| 11:15.43 | Gnea | nagulator: see what i mean? |
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| 11:16.05 | ma3x | any of you knows if the roof of BMW is manual or automatic? |
| 11:16.15 | blondie | lol |
| 11:16.16 | nagulator | he he |
| 11:16.19 | stoned | the new BMW is mod ready |
| 11:16.22 | nagulator | ok now lets reboot to the new kernel |
| 11:16.24 | Gnea | lmfao |
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| 11:16.27 | nagulator | brb |
| 11:16.30 | Gnea | ok |
| 11:16.31 | stoned | you can actually mod the vehicle and supe it up |
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| 11:16.51 | stoned | I also got a book on modding suburu |
| 11:17.08 | Gnea | no one cares. |
| 11:17.20 | stoned | electronics panel is pc connection ready in some of those new cars |
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| 11:17.28 | fwest | i got a book on drop kicking my laptop |
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| 11:17.45 | susp3ct | lol @ fwest |
| 11:17.47 | xored | are there any issues with the 2.0.54 in the direction of performance ? how tu tune the server or better, how to get out, why he is responding so slow ? |
| 11:17.52 | ma3x | stoned, you know BMW Z3 ? |
| 11:17.53 | Gnea | fwest: does it come with pieces of paper with targets printed on them? :) |
| 11:17.58 | susp3ct | fwest, how much |
| 11:18.08 | xored | are there any issues with the Apche 2.0.54 in the direction of performance ? how tu tune the server or better, how to get out, why he is responding so slow ? |
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| 11:18.16 | blondie | fgs, this isn't a bloody car channel |
| 11:18.20 | Gnea | !repeat |
| 11:18.20 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:18.23 | blondie | xored: #apache |
| 11:18.28 | Gnea | blondie: yeah really |
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| 11:18.41 | semboy | someone knowz why i cant have both? nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings -if i try to install nvidia-Settings than the nvidia glx will remove if i try to install nvidia-settings AND THAN nvidia-glz than the Nvidia-Settings will remove -PLEASE HELP ME WHAT IS WRONG -WHY I CANT HAVE BOTH NVIDIA-glx and nvidia-settings ;( someone help me |
| 11:18.42 | Gnea | stoned: please, stick to the topic and do not personally attack anyone. |
| 11:19.01 | fwest | you can get 'How to drop kick your laptop' from Amazon, chapters include, how to drop kick your laptop to hit people who talk about cars on #debian |
| 11:19.11 | Gnea | fwest: rock on. |
| 11:19.27 | stoned | There is a also a metal band called, Dropkick Jesus |
| 11:19.32 | susp3ct | fwest, dont start on me about my car :0 fully drift man |
| 11:19.33 | stoned | good stuff |
| 11:19.39 | Gnea | they suck |
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| 11:19.58 | fwest | further reading includes, who to wire their ass to the mains electrical supply |
| 11:19.59 | stoned | semboy, are you using sarge + xorg? |
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| 11:20.08 | susp3ct | Gnea, ur just jelous and you suck ;) |
| 11:20.23 | stoned | susp3ct, I put Gnea on ignore, usless waste of space and flesh |
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| 11:20.28 | nagulator | ok Gnea |
| 11:20.32 | blondie | susp3ct: this isn't an AOL channel mmkay |
| 11:20.32 | nagulator | irssi-text too |
| 11:20.33 | petemc | stoned: any chance of fucking dropping it |
| 11:20.36 | nagulator | works as it should |
| 11:20.38 | Gnea | !troll stoned |
| 11:20.50 | fwest | i need beer |
| 11:20.50 | semboy | dno |
| 11:20.53 | semboy | ;( |
| 11:20.59 | fwest | beer would fix my sound |
| 11:21.01 | nagulator | now for another stunt, let's see if the new settings work |
| 11:21.02 | nagulator | brb |
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| 11:21.04 | Gnea | petemc: he's been doing this, consistantly, for the past day or two |
| 11:21.07 | susp3ct | blondie, i dont care about your op cause im blind |
| 11:21.11 | susp3ct | :D |
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| 11:21.25 | Gnea | petemc: he says he stops then keeps doing it over and over and over |
| 11:21.28 | stoned | petemc, sure, I'll drop it |
| 11:21.32 | liable | fwest: btw, try cat /vmlinuz >> /dev/dsp |
| 11:21.34 | susp3ct | say Gnea is talkin sh#4$t so am i |
| 11:21.56 | Gnea | susp3ct: please, don't. |
| 11:22.01 | susp3ct | damn to much cs console for me |
| 11:22.16 | susp3ct | Gnea, soz mate can you smell it |
| 11:22.21 | stoned | semboy, you there? |
| 11:22.27 | blondie | sigh |
| 11:22.35 | stoned | semboy, what debian distro are you using? |
| 11:23.00 | susp3ct | stoned, that doesnt make sense, debian is a distro :D |
| 11:23.11 | john_xzyxzy | hello, I want to download and rebuild debian kernel source 2.6.8, where to download and how to rebuild? |
| 11:23.21 | stoned | susp3ct, debian has three distributions |
| 11:23.29 | susp3ct | stoned, no way |
| 11:23.32 | susp3ct | thats news to me |
| 11:23.36 | susp3ct | what are they |
| 11:23.38 | stoned | susp3ct, stable, testing, unstable |
| 11:23.54 | liable | meh |
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| 11:24.03 | nunu | hello can anyone tell me were I can get help with my bobot++ ? It's running already, but I'm searching for a HOWTO on how to write scripts for it |
| 11:24.05 | nagulator | ok |
| 11:24.08 | nagulator | things work as they should |
| 11:24.20 | nagulator | I got elinks + irssi-txt |
| 11:24.22 | susp3ct | stoned, i thought that debian was the distro and that they were the type of distro you can d/l |
| 11:24.30 | fwest | this is funky, i can play with xmms using the /dev/dsp but i get no sound |
| 11:24.48 | stoned | susp3ct, does it matter? Semantics mate, its all the same |
| 11:24.51 | Hams | fwest, turn the sound up |
| 11:24.54 | susp3ct | lol |
| 11:24.56 | Hams | in your mixer :) |
| 11:24.59 | susp3ct | in australia all the same |
| 11:25.03 | fwest | it is at 100% |
| 11:25.05 | susp3ct | ehh i have to agree then |
| 11:25.09 | susp3ct | ;) |
| 11:25.16 | nagulator | let's see what happens now, have to see how this apt-get magic works |
| 11:25.22 | yereth | guys, what is the thing with the 2 packages 'libglu1-xorg' and 'libglu1-mesa'? |
| 11:25.23 | nagulator | btw anyone on gcc 4.1 ? |
| 11:25.25 | Hams | fwest, select the correct device? |
| 11:25.40 | john_xzyxzy | hello, where can I get kernel source 2.6.8, and how to rebuild it? |
| 11:25.48 | Hams | john, kernel.org |
| 11:25.49 | fwest | Hams: i've only got one /dev/dsp |
| 11:26.01 | blondie | Hams: sarge? |
| 11:26.04 | blondie | erm sorry |
| 11:26.07 | blondie | john_xzyxzy: sarge? |
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| 11:26.20 | susp3ct | john_xzyxzy, dpkg_reconfigure? |
| 11:26.32 | yereth | a lot of apps seem to depend on 'libglu1-mesa', while 'x-window-system-core' depends on the conflicting package 'libglu1-xorg' |
| 11:26.37 | yereth | anyone? |
| 11:26.37 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 11:26.42 | Hams | john_xzyxzy http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 11:27.32 | john_xzyxzy | and I need kernel source stay there to build other package. |
| 11:27.46 | Gnea | sarge is a branch, not a distribution. |
| 11:27.56 | blondie | john_xzyxzy: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 11:27.58 | yereth | anyone? |
| 11:27.58 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 11:28.00 | Gnea | nagulator: check out aptitude as well |
| 11:28.28 | Gnea | Nosf3ratu: reality check? |
| 11:28.46 | john_xzyxzy | hi, hams, I see the website, thanks. thank all of you . |
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| 11:29.11 | Gnea | nagulator: it's basically a quasi-successor to apt-get, although it's got some quirks to it still |
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| 11:29.34 | stoned | blondie, which debian 'sub' distro do you use mostly? |
| 11:29.36 | nagulator | Gnea: thanks I will |
| 11:29.50 | nagulator | I really prefer to stick to bulletproof solutions for now |
| 11:29.51 | blondie | stoned: stable and testing in equal amounts |
| 11:29.54 | stoned | ahh |
| 11:30.01 | Gnea | nagulator: good thing :) |
| 11:30.23 | nagulator | right now i issued apt-get gnome-desktop-environment |
| 11:30.23 | nagulator | only 118mb download lol |
| 11:30.25 | liable | its not a sub distro, its a release.. |
| 11:30.27 | Gnea | egads... |
| 11:30.29 | nagulator | apt-get install of course |
| 11:30.30 | liable | well. |
| 11:30.51 | stoned | what is the lowest quality pc that you can install sarge on? |
| 11:30.54 | Gnea | release and branch are more the same than distro |
| 11:31.05 | nagulator | a question: Is Debian etch advised for general use? |
| 11:31.13 | Gnea | nagulator: not yet |
| 11:31.13 | liable | stoned: read the install guide. |
| 11:31.23 | stoned | I did, I must have over looked |
| 11:31.37 | nagulator | Gnea: ok then, another thing, what is the current version sarge r2 uses for gnome |
| 11:31.38 | Hams | stoned, i have a 200mhz 128mb ram 12volts power usage running that started running sarge and it runs perfectly |
| 11:31.48 | stoned | I been trying to find a way to put debian on my 386, 4mb ram, 80mb HDD 25mhz CompuADD laptop |
| 11:31.50 | Hams | started as |
| 11:32.01 | stoned | back from 1992 |
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| 11:32.14 | Gnea | nagulator: apt-cache show gnome | grep Version | awk '{print $2}' |
| 11:32.20 | nagulator | right! |
| 11:32.22 | nagulator | thanks |
| 11:32.40 | nagulator | in anycase, how can I add "bleeding" edge packages to debian if I wish to |
| 11:32.48 | Gnea | !backports |
| 11:32.48 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 11:33.11 | nagulator | interesting |
| 11:33.18 | semboy | ;( |
| 11:33.19 | susp3ct | !gnea |
| 11:33.19 | dpkg | from memory, gnea is a gnea!, or someone who likes to give obvious answers |
| 11:33.22 | semboy | someone here :P |
| 11:33.31 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:33.34 | susp3ct | :D |
| 11:33.36 | stoned | semboy, I tried to help you |
| 11:33.40 | stoned | semboy, you disappeared |
| 11:33.43 | semboy | !smoke |
| 11:33.43 | dpkg | No Im trying to quit. or see also magic smoke |
| 11:33.51 | nagulator | there is always the compile from tarball solution but I want to fully use debian's package system |
| 11:33.52 | susp3ct | !susp3ct |
| 11:33.58 | semboy | !magic smoke |
| 11:33.58 | dpkg | Did you know computers run on smoke? You can tell because if the smoke escapes, they stop working. |
| 11:34.05 | stoned | STOP |
| 11:34.07 | stoned | ffs |
| 11:34.20 | Gnea | calm down. |
| 11:34.30 | susp3ct | lol why have a sook for |
| 11:34.38 | pyroplasm | nagulator: another way to find out versions: apt-show-versions -a -p gnome |
| 11:34.44 | messju | jelly-ho, sep: many many thanks. got a 2.6.15 sarge working now. |
| 11:34.47 | Gnea | nagulator: yeah, afaik, gnome has only reached 2.12 in debian, they're still working on 2.14 |
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| 11:35.18 | nagulator | thanks pyroplasm, Gnea |
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| 11:35.34 | Gnea | man, it feels like i'm babysitting half of the time :P |
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| 11:35.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | what would be better? get an kernel image trough apt-get and then edit it and rebuild it, or get an kernel of kernel.org and then go from scratch? |
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| 11:36.00 | pyroplasm | Gnea: what about the other half? :) |
| 11:36.07 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz: get the kernel-source from apt-get and use that :) |
| 11:36.18 | Gnea | pyroplasm: let's not go there ;) |
| 11:36.31 | susp3ct | lol |
| 11:36.45 | nagulator | recompiling a kernel right now is a bit cumbersome |
| 11:36.49 | karim | is there a way to make apt-build also build the static libraries it downloads to compile some packages ? |
| 11:36.55 | nagulator | the 2.6.xx series really takes _LONG_ |
| 11:37.06 | DJ-Marcuzz | Gnea, and witch one would you recommend, its an PIII 1000mhz server (and witch for an PII 333Mhz server?) |
| 11:37.19 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz: witch? |
| 11:37.31 | blondie | he wants to do magic on it |
| 11:37.38 | susp3ct | which? |
| 11:37.39 | Gnea | apparantly |
| 11:37.43 | karim | because actually apt-build downloads the developpement libraries and doesn't builds them. I don't see the point of doing that exept if the arch is "all" for this libraries |
| 11:37.45 | DJ-Marcuzz | Gnea, i know my english is not perfect :P |
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| 11:38.08 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz: i noticed - make sure you use 'which' and not 'witch' :) |
| 11:38.24 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok ;) |
| 11:38.31 | Gnea | cuz we ain't in kansas ;) |
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| 11:38.55 | nagulator | going to eat guys |
| 11:39.01 | nagulator | cya later, will idle for now |
| 11:39.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | hahaha, ok, but i hope you understand the question even with witches |
| 11:39.03 | nagulator | :P |
| 11:39.04 | blondie | hmm |
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| 11:39.05 | Gnea | nagulator: 2.6 isn't too bad if you use distcc |
| 11:39.09 | nagulator | thanks again |
| 11:39.12 | pyroplasm | .o(unless the witch looks like Nicole Kidman) |
| 11:39.19 | fluxdude | in sftp is it possible to download an entire directory? |
| 11:39.21 | nagulator | right Gnea, still takes too much time :P |
| 11:39.22 | susp3ct | nagulator, this is a PG rated chat room |
| 11:39.25 | susp3ct | how rude |
| 11:39.29 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz: yes - a 686 image would do fine |
| 11:39.46 | nagulator | susp3ct: rude me? |
| 11:39.51 | susp3ct | :P |
| 11:40.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | Gnea, even for the PII 333mhz? |
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| 11:40.13 | susp3ct | hehehe |
| 11:40.14 | Gnea | nagulator: nah, by itself, i can compile a 2.6 kernel in about 15 minutes. with distcc, around 4-5 |
| 11:40.23 | blondie | nagulator: eating of guys |
| 11:40.31 | susp3ct | dont worry must be me thinkin dirty again |
| 11:40.31 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz: well, what is the output of uname -m? |
| 11:40.33 | nagulator | eating of guys? |
| 11:40.37 | blondie | 12:38:56 < nagulator> going to eat guys |
| 11:40.39 | nagulator | ha ha ha |
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| 11:40.44 | blondie | you may have wanted a comma |
| 11:40.44 | nagulator | I am going to eat, guys |
| 11:40.49 | nagulator | :P |
| 11:40.50 | Hams | after a kernel upgrade all kernel modules needs to be recompiled/installed, right? |
| 11:40.51 | nagulator | lol |
| 11:40.57 | susp3ct | eyy gramma /me understand now |
| 11:41.03 | nagulator | i like this line of humour though, nice punch |
| 11:41.07 | nagulator | anyway later |
| 11:41.09 | Gnea | Hams: yeah, that should be done during |
| 11:41.10 | susp3ct | latah |
| 11:41.13 | nagulator | sadorewa mata |
| 11:41.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | Gnea, at the 1000Mhz its says i686 and at the PII i dunnow, its not installed yet |
| 11:41.26 | blondie | you could eat Hams I suppose ;) |
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| 11:41.56 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz: you could always boot the installation disc on the pII and switch to console and uname -m there |
| 11:42.17 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz: it's likely to be i686 tho |
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| 11:43.37 | DJ-Marcuzz | Gnea, thx, and when i installed the headers and made my kernel, can i how do i install an new kernel then? just by the apt of again the same thing? (i mean when i configured my kernel once by hand, will apt take over that config wen updating the kernel? |
| 11:44.18 | Gnea | !kernel-package |
| 11:44.18 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 11:44.28 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz: check that out ^^^ |
| 11:44.42 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz: it's pretty seemless, i use it all the time |
| 11:45.24 | Gnea | ok, time for sleep |
| 11:46.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok thx, last one: whats the newest kernel for servers? the 2.6.8-3? |
| 11:46.03 | susp3ct | omg its still early |
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| 11:47.33 | Seewai | random question, but you're an educated bunch. which of the following is correct: "can you send me a letter so I can wave it at whoever I need to", or "can you send me a letter, so I can wave it at whomever I need to"? |
| 11:47.44 | liable | DJ-Marcuzz: for sarge yes |
| 11:48.47 | karim | I was wondering why apt-build was downloading static libraries from binary repository instead of building them |
| 11:49.44 | DJ-Marcuzz | liable, i do see some 2.6.8-12 headers here :-/ without i686 or so |
| 11:52.44 | msanchez | whose install the themes in firefoxas install the themes at firefox? |
| 11:53.50 | msanchez | as install the themes at firefox? |
| 11:53.57 | susp3ct | ehh |
| 11:54.08 | susp3ct | !shit |
| 11:54.09 | dpkg | somebody said shit was fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 11:54.33 | blondie | that's offensive to donkeys. |
| 11:55.03 | susp3ct | lol |
| 11:55.09 | susp3ct | i dont get it but lol |
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| 11:55.23 | susp3ct | are you offended blondie ? |
| 11:55.36 | blondie | I'm not a donkey |
| 11:55.40 | blondie | but "ass" means donkey |
| 11:56.01 | susp3ct | hrmm tough crowd |
| 11:56.07 | susp3ct | rofl |
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| 11:56.21 | susp3ct | im just in a hyper mode |
| 11:56.38 | fwest | sigh, still can't get any sound |
| 11:57.08 | susp3ct | fwest, thats a shame cause i can hear clearley |
| 11:57.19 | Hams | me2 |
| 11:57.49 | fwest | i've never had this much trouble with a laptop before |
| 11:57.58 | susp3ct | what lappy you got? |
| 11:58.05 | fwest | dell D810 |
| 11:58.09 | susp3ct | ohhhhh |
| 11:58.11 | susp3ct | pffft |
| 11:58.21 | susp3ct | dont say that word out to loud again |
| 11:58.41 | fwest | i've pretty much always dell laptops, ever had any problems with them before |
| 11:58.48 | petemc | aol |
| 11:58.56 | susp3ct | aghhh "my freakin ears" |
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| 11:59.04 | petemc | ive bought hundreds of them for people, very little bother |
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| 12:00.06 | DJ-Marcuzz | kernel headers equals kernel sources? becaus i cant find an kernel source for 2.6 686 ?? |
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| 12:00.50 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: it's linux-source now |
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| 12:01.45 | DJ-Marcuzz | Server-HS1:~# apt-cache search linux-source |
| 12:01.45 | DJ-Marcuzz | Server-HS1:~# |
| 12:01.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | still noting :P |
| 12:02.08 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: what distribution are you running? |
| 12:02.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | debian sarge, just did an netinstall |
| 12:02.46 | azeem | sarge still has kernel-source |
| 12:02.55 | azeem | maybe you did not add the ftp repo, just the CD? |
| 12:03.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | these are my sources.list: http://juerd.nl/sources.list |
| 12:03.31 | Hams | dammm, why does m wifi usb adapter driver use so much cpu :/ |
| 12:03.46 | Hams | my* |
| 12:03.55 | liable | DJ-Marcuzz: its kernel-source for sarge |
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| 12:04.15 | mmm | hi. how to install oracle on debian sarge? |
| 12:04.31 | petemc | mmm: theres debs now |
| 12:04.35 | susp3ct | mmm, apt-get install oracle |
| 12:04.49 | fireba11_2 | mmm you can jsut use the normal oracle for linux installer ^^ |
| 12:04.51 | mmm | E: Couldn't find package oracle |
| 12:04.51 | DJ-Marcuzz | liable, searching on kernel-source i only find the 2.4 not the 2.6 |
| 12:04.52 | petemc | after adding the correct line to sources.list |
| 12:04.59 | petemc | mmm: google for oracle debs |
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| 12:05.10 | mmm | ok |
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| 12:05.50 | peppet | DJ-Marcuzz: apt-get update |
| 12:06.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | alraidy done that |
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| 12:06.25 | peppet | DJ-Marcuzz: strange: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/ |
| 12:06.37 | nagulator | back |
| 12:06.40 | nagulator | oh boy |
| 12:06.45 | azeem | !info kernel-source-2.6.8 sarge |
| 12:06.54 | dpkg | kernel-source-2.6.8: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 34115 kB, Installed size: 34248 kB |
| 12:06.55 | nagulator | everything is proceeding smoothly so far |
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| 12:07.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | peppet, could you check if my source.list are correct? http://juerd.nl/sources.list |
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| 12:08.07 | mmm | petemc, couldn't find them... |
| 12:08.21 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: what does apt-cache show kernel-source-2.6.8 say? |
| 12:08.22 | liable | DJ-Marcuzz: your sources is ok. you should have 2.6 source in there.. search kernel-source-2.6 |
| 12:08.23 | nagulator | guys has anyone used xgl with debian |
| 12:08.27 | DJ-Marcuzz | forget it, i made a typo in my search found it now |
| 12:08.37 | petemc | mmm: you gave up after 4 minutes? |
| 12:08.44 | DJ-Marcuzz | thx peeps |
| 12:08.45 | nagulator | I would like to get some of your know - how on this, instead of compiling xgl/compiz from source |
| 12:08.52 | mmm | petemc, google returns irrelevant results |
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| 12:09.51 | petemc | mmm: the first hit for "oracle debs" contains a link to the download page |
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| 12:18.56 | bartlebee | !java |
| 12:18.56 | dpkg | from memory, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 12:20.00 | chrysopa | Hi is true that I need to empty a notebook battery for keeping this working best? |
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| 12:20.57 | susp3ct | chrysopa, i heard the complete oppisite |
| 12:21.12 | petemc | chrysopa: its a good idea to let it run down completely, yeah |
| 12:21.14 | susp3ct | if you run the battery out it will kill the batt |
| 12:21.18 | petemc | nah |
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| 12:21.21 | petemc | thats bunkum |
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| 12:22.14 | nagulator | hey susp3ct |
| 12:22.20 | susp3ct | nagulator, sup |
| 12:22.26 | chrysopa | I heard that exist a software for make down the battery. Is true? Exist for linux? |
| 12:22.41 | nagulator | a question mate, how do you put the testing packages or the backports to your sources.list without creating conflicts |
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| 12:22.53 | nagulator | i would really like to use gnome 2.14 or kde 3.5.2 |
| 12:23.08 | fwest | aha! |
| 12:23.17 | liable | chrysopa: well, heres one i heard, if you have it about 40% charged, and keep it in a coll place is the best option for it. |
| 12:23.21 | fwest | my laptop isn't using its docking bay |
| 12:23.43 | pipeline | liable, chrysopa: That's for long-term storage. |
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| 12:23.52 | liable | chrysopa: read the thinkwiki, there a section about new battery tools that stops ac going into the battery when you are plugged in |
| 12:23.54 | susp3ct | nagulator, not to sure cause i dont use gnome,i know i know but i have to say have you searched google for someone who has done it? |
| 12:23.59 | fwest | the sound is coming out the headset on the side of the laptop but not the docking bay |
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| 12:24.05 | pipeline | liable, chrysopa : If you're actually *using* a lithium-ion battery, you should deep-cycle (i.e. drain completely) about once a week. |
| 12:24.07 | nagulator | susp3ct: do you use kde? |
| 12:24.10 | nagulator | it is the same for me |
| 12:24.12 | susp3ct | yah |
| 12:24.15 | nagulator | I only require a desktop env |
| 12:24.27 | mmm | petemc.... what's the last oracle ver for linux? |
| 12:24.31 | pipeline | liable, chrysopa : It's important to keep in mind that lithium-ion battery life is measured in *charges* not deep cycles. So really, avoid charging it. Charge as rarely as possible. |
| 12:24.38 | liable | pipeline: hrm, i have read different on the thinkpad-linux mailing list. |
| 12:24.43 | pipeline | mmm: Uhhh, the newest oracle version? RHEL is officially supported by Oracle. |
| 12:24.50 | susp3ct | nagulator, im using KDe 3.5 now, which is in the deb repos |
| 12:24.54 | crazy_penguin | re |
| 12:24.59 | liable | pipeline: theres a tool that effectively stops your battery being charged when on ac |
| 12:25.01 | mmm | RHEL? |
| 12:25.02 | pipeline | liable: the "40% and a cold place" is how you store lithium-ion batteries for weeks of non-use. e.g. packing for sales/shipping |
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| 12:25.04 | azeem | nagulator: you can't reasonable use Gnome-2.14 on stable |
| 12:25.09 | petemc | mmm: 10g? im not sure, i still use 8.. |
| 12:25.09 | mmm | red hat ? |
| 12:25.15 | nagulator | azeem: why? |
| 12:25.16 | mmm | hmm |
| 12:25.17 | pipeline | mmm: Yes. Redhat *only*. |
| 12:25.22 | azeem | nagulator: there are no backports |
| 12:25.31 | nagulator | are there backports for 2.12? |
| 12:25.32 | pipeline | liable: You don't want to use a lithium ion too rarely, you don't want to use it too often :\ |
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| 12:25.35 | pipeline | liable: fragile, fragile |
| 12:25.37 | azeem | nagulator: neither |
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| 12:25.46 | nagulator | well ok I will use kde |
| 12:25.53 | azeem | if you *really* need a newer Gnome than 2.8, you will have to use testing (which has 2.12 currently I believe) |
| 12:25.58 | nagulator | if we have kde 3.5.x available it is fine with me |
| 12:26.05 | nagulator | I can compile it from source |
| 12:26.15 | nagulator | if i knew how to create debs for it I would do it right away |
| 12:26.17 | susp3ct | nagulator, why from source? |
| 12:26.27 | susp3ct | why not from apt? |
| 12:26.28 | azeem | there might be KDE backports for sarge, dunno |
| 12:26.29 | nagulator | I do not know teh internals of .deb |
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| 12:26.35 | liable | pipeline: yeah, well i leave mine almost constantly on charge. i have had this almost 4 years and replaced the battery once, and still get 3 hours when i unplug it. just mentioning what i have read :) |
| 12:26.48 | nagulator | as I said this is my first debian installation, and I can see why it has the fame of being stable |
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| 12:27.03 | mmm | i want sarge oracle debs |
| 12:27.14 | nagulator | but some updates are necessary, until I find out how to do this into deb packages i will stick with the good old konstruct or gargnome method for desktop stuff |
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| 12:27.20 | petemc | i want an oompa loompa |
| 12:27.20 | nagulator | you know how it goes mate |
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| 12:27.26 | pUm | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30095/16/Debian-amd64-HOWTO.html#cross_compile <-- damn! anyone knows how I can make a cross compile kernel on 32 bit for a 64 bit system ? (make-kpkg) |
| 12:27.39 | RichiH | petemc: i only have a dicadi dum :/ |
| 12:27.41 | susp3ct | nagulator, true |
| 12:27.50 | mmm | petemc, i didn't find them.. |
| 12:27.51 | sushimako | is libpq4 currently broken? |
| 12:28.32 | liable | sushimako: check the bts? |
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| 12:29.02 | nagulator | susp3ct: ok seems like gnoem installed |
| 12:29.13 | nagulator | what do I need to do to configure X now |
| 12:29.25 | nagulator | seems like x86config is not here :p |
| 12:29.27 | mmm | what's root-plugin-oracle ? |
| 12:29.34 | liable | !drxx nagulator |
| 12:29.35 | dpkg | nagulator: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:29.43 | nagulator | thanks liable |
| 12:29.50 | mmm | im trying to install oracle on sarge.. can someone help me out? |
| 12:29.52 | liable | nagulator: did you actually install all the x stuff ot just gnome? |
| 12:29.58 | nagulator | i did this: |
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| 12:30.08 | nagulator | apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 12:30.15 | nagulator | X11 directory is here |
| 12:30.23 | nagulator | i suppose that it did install the dependencies |
| 12:30.24 | nagulator | :P |
| 12:30.54 | liable | i wouldnt be so sure |
| 12:31.03 | nagulator | checking |
| 12:31.22 | mmm | im trying to install oracle on sarge.. can someone help me out? |
| 12:31.42 | liable | it doesnt depend on x.. |
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| 12:31.55 | nagulator | hmm gnome does not depend on x? |
| 12:32.01 | nanok | nagulator: if you also want X to go with that gnome, you ashould also do apt-get install x-window-system |
| 12:32.07 | liable | nagulator: install x-window-system-core |
| 12:32.09 | nagulator | well apt should take care of that |
| 12:32.14 | nagulator | ok ok I try noe |
| 12:32.15 | nagulator | now |
| 12:32.27 | nagulator | i want to install x.org thuogh |
| 12:32.33 | nagulator | what is the command for that |
| 12:32.37 | liable | nagulator: no, you dont *need* an xserver to run gnome technically |
| 12:32.37 | azeem | nagulator: you can install GNOME on a headless server and run the apps on a remote X terminal |
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| 12:32.56 | azeem | nagulator: nanok just told you the package you need to install |
| 12:33.02 | nagulator | liable, azeem: i need to get thins working |
| 12:33.03 | nagulator | ok |
| 12:33.05 | nanok | nagulator: you can have gnome and run it connecting to a remote X server, for instance, that is why gnome (and others) are not dependant on X |
| 12:33.09 | nagulator | doing that now |
| 12:33.13 | nagulator | nanok: got it thanks |
| 12:33.22 | nagulator | very helpful all of you |
| 12:33.25 | nagulator | appreciate it |
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| 12:34.17 | nagulator | launched it, downloads for now |
| 12:34.23 | Brox | how can i clear /var/chache? |
| 12:34.29 | liable | nagulator: btw dont use xf86config. use dpkg to reconfigure it |
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| 12:34.38 | fwest | are there any tools to control laptop's in their docking bays? |
| 12:34.45 | nanok | Brox: that is not your real question. think again |
| 12:34.46 | nanok | ;) |
| 12:34.48 | liable | Brox: man apt-get (see clean option) |
| 12:34.52 | nagulator | dpkg-reconfigure x-window ? |
| 12:35.00 | nagulator | dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system |
| 12:35.04 | liable | nagulator: see what dpkg told you before |
| 12:35.07 | nagulator | more likely that is the command correct? |
| 12:35.16 | nagulator | right |
| 12:35.19 | nagulator | got it |
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| 12:36.10 | ma3x | (Gecko:23977): Gtk-WARNING **: Can't set a parent on widget which has a parent |
| 12:36.12 | ma3x | I get that when I try to play a clip in firefox |
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| 12:36.29 | nagulator | hmm i see it fetching xfree86 though |
| 12:36.47 | nagulator | nah my mistake it gets x.org |
| 12:36.51 | nagulator | fine! |
| 12:36.51 | liable | nagulator: sarge doesnt have xorg. you can get it from backports though |
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| 12:37.13 | nagulator | liable: things I have to learn about backports... |
| 12:37.17 | ma3x | how do I start firefox with debug option? |
| 12:37.20 | nagulator | lets try first to get an x working lol |
| 12:38.32 | liable | ma3x: man firefox (-g option) |
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| 12:39.12 | nagulator | hmm I wonder if i should just start using the testing branch only |
| 12:39.19 | nagulator | better not! |
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| 12:40.19 | sushimako | how to recover a missing/deleted files list file? |
| 12:41.07 | liable | what file? |
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| 12:41.32 | marc7 | does anybody know how to fix nano treating a backspace like a delete key? I know this isn't #nano, but something about the keymap on the default debian installation is weird... |
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| 12:42.04 | marc7 | and I'm guessing someone's run into this problem before. I've heard suggestion of changing my term to vt100... but that breaks the auto-updating banner on my xterm |
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| 12:42.20 | sushimako | liable, /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpq4.list is missing |
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| 12:43.13 | nagulator | 5 mins to go for x to install |
| 12:44.01 | sushimako | and therefore dpkg says that libpq4 is in a very inconsistent state and should be reinstalled. but i cannot reinstall/purge/install/configure anything because of that broken package |
| 12:44.23 | petemc | marc7: does it work ok outside of nano? |
| 12:44.30 | marc7 | yeah |
| 12:44.45 | petemc | no idea then, dont use nano.. |
| 12:44.59 | marc7 | gonna try something here in a second... |
| 12:45.20 | marc7 | the problem either just sorted itself out, or I'm on drugs. |
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| 12:45.31 | marc7 | sorry for adding unnecessary chatter to the channel |
| 12:45.32 | dbglt | hi |
| 12:45.39 | RvGaTe | hello |
| 12:45.52 | dbglt | can I just ask, is there a way to limit the download rate via apt? |
| 12:45.56 | dbglt | (similar to limit-rate in wget) |
| 12:46.17 | petemc | dbglt: i dont think it has that facility built in, you could perhaps use trickle |
| 12:47.18 | liable | sushimako: what happened to that file? |
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| 12:47.56 | sushimako | liable, my harddisk crashed while i was 'aptitude upgrade'ing my system |
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| 12:48.18 | netman1 | whois petemc |
| 12:48.29 | Brox | i have 3gb on my vserver - but i'm using 2.9. What is the best way to slim? I want to keep emacs,java,tomcat,apache,oracle |
| 12:48.30 | liable | sushimako: you could try cleaning the cache, otherwise you might have to edit the status file. |
| 12:48.30 | sushimako | liable, it doesn't exist anymore |
| 12:48.40 | kibl | Hello, I have just installed udev without upgrading my kernel to the required version. Now I can't access my devices, including access to the Internet. Is there a way to manually re-enable /dev/eth0? |
| 12:48.54 | sushimako | liable, how do i clean the cache? |
| 12:49.14 | liable | sushimako: man aptitude (clean/autoclean) |
| 12:49.21 | qweo | sushimako: apt-get clean |
| 12:49.49 | Brox | how come /proc is 900Mb big? is that normal? |
| 12:50.44 | petemc | Brox: how much ram have you got? |
| 12:51.16 | Brox | its a vserver: i don't know |
| 12:51.55 | sushimako | liable, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2640 |
| 12:52.14 | petemc | Brox: well, proc will generally be around the same size as the amount of ram you have, nothing to worry about |
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| 12:53.10 | Hams | hey |
| 12:53.41 | Brox | so if they offer me a vserer with 3GB and proc is nearly 1 GB does that mean i still have 3GB e.g. they can't charge me for how much ram they have on their server? |
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| 12:53.44 | Hams | i have just installed kernel 2.6.16 but now when it boots it just keeps rebooting |
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| 12:54.10 | liable | sushimako: this is on sid i take it? |
| 12:54.30 | sushimako | liable, yes |
| 12:54.35 | jcdubacq | hi. I would like to install the proprietary nvidia graphics driver on debian; before xorg 7 it was a matter of installing a couple of packages. How is it with xorg 7? Same packages? |
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| 12:55.35 | liable | sushimako: so check the bts. and welcome to having broken packages. check the files.list file. whatever that does. |
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| 12:56.12 | liable | sushimako: if you have no idea, then wait for it to be fixed. |
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| 12:56.26 | Hams | hmm, i can boot up with kernel 2.4 so how can i debug the 2.6.16 kernel and make it work? |
| 12:57.17 | liable | oh, thanks for uour help |
| 12:57.55 | bas | I'm in a webdev company where everyone is using vmware debian images to do all their development. There are a couple of configuration files that I want to have synchronized between all vmware installs. Can I do this by setting up my own internal repository? |
| 12:58.55 | azeem | bas: what do you mean with internal? |
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| 12:59.28 | bas | azeem, oh just that the repository is only accesable within our intranet |
| 12:59.42 | kibl | Does anyone have experience with upgrading to udev |
| 12:59.50 | azeem | bas: sure, you can do that |
| 13:00.13 | azeem | a lot of people do it, but I don't think there is any tailored out-of-the-box solution |
| 13:00.30 | bas | well the problem I'm having is that packages are ment for distributing software, and not just configs. |
| 13:00.34 | kibl | Or, does anyone have experience with upgrading to 2.6.16? |
| 13:00.54 | azeem | bas: "not just"? |
| 13:00.56 | nagulator | alright, x seems to work fine |
| 13:01.07 | Hams | kibl, i have just upgraded but 2.6.16 keeps rebootinh |
| 13:01.15 | azeem | bas: use apt to distribute software, and a SCM system to manage configuration files |
| 13:01.32 | bas | azeem, that's a good idea actually thanks |
| 13:01.46 | kibl | Hams: that's exactly the kind of problem I'd like to avoid for myself - unfortunately, I don't think I can be of much help! |
| 13:01.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | omg, the standart kernels of debian are like evrything enabled, im like disabling 80% of it :| |
| 13:02.04 | bas | azeem, problem however is still that I only want to share certain config files between the machines, like apache configs |
| 13:02.28 | kibl | Hams: do you currently use udev |
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| 13:02.45 | Hams | trying to :) |
| 13:03.19 | jzston | anyone using LVM here? |
| 13:03.34 | azeem | bas: so let the others be managed by dpkg |
| 13:04.18 | petemc | jzston: yeah |
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| 13:05.33 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: they're modules .. you don't have to load them |
| 13:05.44 | nagulator | hmm |
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| 13:05.48 | WorldBFree | i installed a couple of programs in synaptic, but i cant seem to find where to launch them. shouldnt they appear in the menu? |
| 13:05.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | thats an point, but i like to keep it clean :P |
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| 13:05.57 | abrotman | WorldBFree: depends on the apps |
| 13:06.08 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: so you're going to recompile your kernel .. for no good reason? |
| 13:06.09 | WorldBFree | superkaramba |
| 13:06.24 | nagulator | darned init 5 does not work :P |
| 13:06.31 | abrotman | nagulator: for what? |
| 13:06.33 | jzston | petemc: i am thinking of using it for a new hdisk. it is reliable? no compatibility problem with any of the app software? |
| 13:06.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | abroman, to clean it up and check whats enabled |
| 13:06.39 | nagulator | bbs |
| 13:06.57 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: it is clean .. just don't load the modules .. it's not hard |
| 13:07.08 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: unless your machine is a P133 .. it won't matter |
| 13:07.10 | petemc | jzston: it works great |
| 13:07.30 | DJ-Marcuzz | abrotman, and i need some rare drivers sometimes ;) |
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| 13:07.46 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: rare drivers? |
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| 13:09.00 | jzston | petemc: u use it with grub? i read that it does not support /boot and also, one has to be careful with /root. |
| 13:09.02 | mmm | petemc, you installed oracle before? |
| 13:09.08 | mmm | petemc, i'm fetching the non-free oracle-xe 10.2.0.1-1.1 package |
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| 13:09.12 | e-type | hi all |
| 13:10.20 | petemc | jzston: i dont have the root fs on lvm, no |
| 13:10.28 | e-type | anyone know how to remove the "Debian-menu" entry from the gnome menu for gnome-panel 2.8.3 |
| 13:10.29 | petemc | mmm: i have, not for a few years tho |
| 13:10.51 | petemc | http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/2005-02-15-013529_1024x768_scrot.png |
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| 13:11.26 | abrotman | e-type: why would you want to .. there's lots of stuff in there that isn't in the regular gnome menu |
| 13:11.28 | marc7 | so I have a script that will build custom modules to monitor our dell hardware when given our kernel source tree... it creates files in /lib/modules/2.6../extra/.... do I just need to copy those from server A to server B in the same relevant location, and run /sbin/update-modules.modutils? |
| 13:11.43 | jzston | petemc: thks. |
| 13:11.48 | nagulator | heh |
| 13:11.50 | nagulator | x works |
| 13:12.01 | nagulator | now time to fix the backports thin |
| 13:12.03 | nagulator | thing* |
| 13:12.10 | e-type | abrotman: someone else asked me |
| 13:12.17 | e-type | now I wanna know :) |
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| 13:13.43 | aimtrainer | hi! I'm using kanotix, but in #kanotix nobody can help me. my F-keys dont work properly. They do in a combination (ctrl+F2). But not as single keys for for example reloading (F5) or renaming (F2), but not only in konqueror - in all applications. I have a Logitech Elite keyboard an my keyboard layout is: "setxkbmap -model acpi -layout de -variant nodeadkeys" Can anyone help me please? |
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| 13:14.27 | blondie | aimtrainer: sorry but no |
| 13:14.30 | jzston | i need to place the command 'gnome-settings-daemon' so that it is executed at the start of a kde session. which is the right script file to put it in? |
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| 13:15.09 | mmm | hi. can i install xorg on my remote debian server and connect to it from windows(local pc) ? because i need to run some gui progs on my server.. |
| 13:15.35 | blondie | mmm: yes, if you have an X server on windows like Exceed or something |
| 13:15.39 | azeem | mmm: you don't connect to X.org, you run remote X applications on your local X server |
| 13:15.42 | nagulator | ok I am bummed now, how do you install backports |
| 13:15.50 | azeem | !backports.org |
| 13:15.50 | dpkg | somebody said backports.org was an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/instructions.html on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
| 13:15.53 | nagulator | i am in www.backports.org but it does not work |
| 13:16.00 | nagulator | i am there azeem |
| 13:16.01 | kibl | What is "yaird", and why can't I find it on packages.debian.org? |
| 13:16.10 | azeem | nagulator: "does not work" is not really informative |
| 13:16.11 | nagulator | i have no /etc/apt/preferences thing |
| 13:16.20 | azeem | nagulator: then create it |
| 13:16.24 | nagulator | k |
| 13:16.47 | mmm | blondie, don't i need X client to connect to my remote debian X server? |
| 13:16.51 | kibl | What packages does yaird belong to? |
| 13:17.23 | nagulator | azeem: done |
| 13:17.28 | nagulator | now in order to install a backport |
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| 13:17.44 | azeem | !info yaird |
| 13:17.48 | AnisFarhana | hello all |
| 13:17.53 | AnisFarhana | greetings |
| 13:17.58 | nagulator | lets try |
| 13:18.04 | tralala | kibl: /msg dpkg info yaird |
| 13:18.07 | jzston | can someone answer this? i need to place the command 'gnome-settings-daemon' so that it is executed at the start of a kde session. which is the right script file to put it in? |
| 13:18.15 | azeem | kibl: it's not in sarge |
| 13:18.17 | AnisFarhana | question : how to kill another pts (user ) in root ? |
| 13:18.22 | kibl | msg dpkg info yaird |
| 13:18.24 | kibl | oops |
| 13:18.29 | e-type | jzston: prolly .xsession and tell kdm to use a custom session |
| 13:18.31 | blondie | mmm: no, you need an X *server* |
| 13:18.42 | petemc | AnisFarhana: kill their shell, or use slay |
| 13:18.51 | AnisFarhana | yes how to kill their shell ? |
| 13:18.58 | nagulator | ok now i am puzzled |
| 13:19.05 | nagulator | if I only want to use backports |
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| 13:19.12 | nagulator | and i do not care for the outdated software |
| 13:19.14 | nagulator | what do I do |
| 13:19.17 | e-type | jzston: don't forget to start your kde-session at the end of .xsesssion ;) |
| 13:19.30 | abrotman | e-type: which version of debian ? |
| 13:19.33 | peppet | AnisFarhana: the shall with minimum pid on that pts |
| 13:19.35 | mmm | blondie, i thought i always need a client to connect to a server.... |
| 13:19.38 | peppet | *shell |
| 13:19.50 | blondie | mmm: yes, but X works the other way round |
| 13:20.07 | jzston | e-type: first part is ok how to "tell kdm to use a custom session"? |
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| 13:20.19 | kibl | azeem: when I attempt to install linux 2.6.16, it tells me it needs either yaird, initramfs or linux-initramfs-tool. Should I use a different tool? |
| 13:20.20 | blondie | mmm: the programs you are running are X clients which connect to the X server running on your PC |
| 13:20.20 | e-type | abrotman: sarge... newer gnome has right-click functions on gnome-panel menu |
| 13:20.33 | azeem | kibl: are you running sarge? |
| 13:20.42 | AnisFarhana | peppet: how to know the pid of that shell ? |
| 13:20.42 | e-type | abrotman: it's gnome-panel-2.8.3 |
| 13:20.48 | abrotman | e-type: i'm not really sure you can on sarge .. you could mess with the menu stuff (/msg dpkg menu) .. or ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 13:20.54 | kibl | azeem: erm.. I am not sure of the code name, but I am running unstable. |
| 13:20.55 | tralala | nagulator: backports is a newer software for the stable distribution. It's unofficial because the stable gets only security updates. |
| 13:21.04 | azeem | kibl: yaird is in unstable |
| 13:21.12 | nagulator | ok but how do I install something using backports |
| 13:21.19 | nagulator | i followed the commands in the website |
| 13:21.20 | kibl | azeem: if I do a search on debian.packages.org, I cannot find yaird. |
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| 13:21.32 | azeem | packages.debian.org, you mean? |
| 13:21.34 | tralala | nagulator: just use apt-get as usual |
| 13:21.35 | e-type | jzston: not sure, I don't use kde... maybe kdm uses ~/.dmrc as well to save your session |
| 13:21.41 | lamp_ | where can i find my iptables rules |
| 13:21.41 | kibl | azeem: oops, yep. |
| 13:21.44 | nagulator | tralala: ok i will try |
| 13:21.48 | e-type | abrotman: thx for the hint ;) |
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| 13:22.37 | mmm | how to check my swap partition size on sarge? |
| 13:22.39 | nagulator | oh boy |
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| 13:22.45 | kibl | azeem: the problem is that I broke my network device after an upgrade - it gave me udev without giving me the new kernel version that it depends on. |
| 13:22.56 | e-type | mmm: top or any partition app? |
| 13:22.58 | azeem | kibl: well, unstable |
| 13:23.17 | nagulator | how do you see the versions available in backports? |
| 13:23.20 | kibl | azeem: now I must download the packages from packages.debian.org on a windows computer and copy them to my linux machine via usb disk. |
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| 13:23.37 | kibl | azeem: but, I can't find them on packages.debian.org. |
| 13:23.41 | tralala | nagulator: launch aptitude and see the section upgradable packages |
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| 13:24.32 | nagulator | ok tralala |
| 13:24.37 | mmm | e-type, can i add more swap space to my system? |
| 13:24.46 | tralala | kibl: use your favourite mirror and get them from there |
| 13:24.50 | azeem | kibl: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/yaird |
| 13:25.03 | e-type | mmm: only by repartitioning or using a file as swapspace |
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| 13:25.25 | pinucset | one question, does cedega uses wine? |
| 13:25.58 | mmm | e-type, and how do i do the latter/ |
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| 13:26.15 | e-type | mmm: http://www.netadmintools.com/art1.html |
| 13:26.19 | nagulator | hmm ok |
| 13:26.26 | freelancer | everning:) |
| 13:26.29 | nagulator | if i issue apt-get install kde |
| 13:26.31 | e-type | mmm: create file, make it a swap system, swap it on ;) |
| 13:26.34 | nagulator | will it install the entire kde? |
| 13:26.49 | tralala | pinucset: it's based on wine |
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| 13:27.02 | pinucset | tralala so if wine improves cedega improves? |
| 13:27.22 | tralala | pinucset: at least in theory, yes |
| 13:27.38 | petn-randall | wait ... wine is GPL now |
| 13:27.39 | pinucset | tralala thanks :) |
| 13:27.55 | kibl | azeem: thanks. |
| 13:28.24 | petn-randall | wine was some BSD-like licence, and the cedega guys forked from the last non-GPL tree |
| 13:28.30 | tralala | nagulator: I guess you will see if you issue it |
| 13:28.39 | nagulator | infact it does |
| 13:28.42 | nagulator | for 3.5.0 |
| 13:28.45 | nagulator | interesting |
| 13:28.46 | nagulator | so |
| 13:28.48 | freelancer | and how are we all this fine time? :-} |
| 13:29.05 | nagulator | hmm i should not be requiring the /etc/apt/preferences file |
| 13:29.41 | azeem | nagulator: if you don't use preferences, an apt-get upgrade will install all the backports of the packages you have installed |
| 13:29.53 | nagulator | http://www.backports.org/instructions.html <--- confusing |
| 13:29.56 | tralala | nagulator: if you want backports over stable by default you don't need preferences |
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| 13:30.03 | abrotman | azeem: don't you wish they had a Packages file for each backport? |
| 13:30.03 | kibl | azeem: just one more thing, if I install yaird, initramfs-tools and linux-initramfs-tool, then install linux 2.6.16, is there anything else I should do to make sure my system is still bootable? |
| 13:30.03 | nagulator | but I want to use updated software |
| 13:30.05 | nagulator | hmm |
| 13:30.10 | nagulator | backports should be ok |
| 13:30.13 | nagulator | lets see then |
| 13:30.15 | azeem | you might not want to use X.org, e.g. |
| 13:30.20 | azeem | if xfree86 works fine |
| 13:30.24 | nagulator | I will try and use only the backports then |
| 13:30.50 | nagulator | well I am testing everything ,so i better try to see how far can I go without crappign debian |
| 13:30.55 | tralala | nagulator: you can't use only the backports. They don't have everything from stable |
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| 13:31.37 | mmm | e-type, Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda3 76381360 1325512 71175804 2% / /dev/hda1 47584 11725 33391 26% /boot |
| 13:31.51 | mmm | e-type, i want to add 588MB swapfile |
| 13:31.59 | nagulator | tralala: what I mean was this: i do NOT wish to use preferences |
| 13:32.07 | mmm | dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1024 count= what? |
| 13:32.09 | nagulator | i want packages to be picked by backports |
| 13:32.20 | nagulator | and the stable ones picked up only if they are not present in backports |
| 13:32.23 | nagulator | can i do that? |
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| 13:32.56 | peppet | mmm: 588000 |
| 13:32.57 | tralala | nagulator: yes, add backports to sources.list and don't touch preferences |
| 13:33.03 | nagulator | done |
| 13:33.13 | nagulator | ok let's see how evolution is installed now |
| 13:33.34 | nagulator | thanks for all your help guys, I really appreciate it |
| 13:33.55 | nagulator | hmm evolution 2.0.4 |
| 13:33.57 | nagulator | a bit old |
| 13:34.00 | e-type | mmm: if your blocksize is 1024=1KB , you'd want 588 times 1024 times 1KB block, so count would be 594720 ;) |
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| 13:34.48 | mmm | mkswap swapfile |
| 13:34.49 | mmm | Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 614395 kB |
| 13:34.49 | mmm | no label, UUID=d6e0a6fb-ea14-4d7e-bf39-6b067a634bc8 |
| 13:34.57 | mmm | why it says no label? |
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| 13:36.05 | tralala | mmm: because you didn't specify a label |
| 13:36.09 | e-type | mmm: '$ man swap' , you didn't set a label |
| 13:36.18 | mmm | i don't need to set one up huh |
| 13:36.18 | e-type | which you don't have to of course |
| 13:36.25 | mmm | ok |
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| 13:37.32 | mmm | Unpacking oracle-xe (from .../oracle-xe_10.2.0.1-1.1_i386.deb) ... |
| 13:37.34 | mmm | ........ |
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| 13:37.35 | mmm | :D |
| 13:37.51 | semboy | hello can i install debian -? by command? |
| 13:37.56 | semboy | i am on ubuntu right now |
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| 13:38.25 | tralala | semboy: say again? |
| 13:38.53 | semboy | can u install debian by command |
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| 13:39.04 | semboy | i want to try debian distro |
| 13:39.28 | e-type | semboy: it's possible in theory, but it's prolly not a good idea to start since you ask the question ;) |
| 13:40.42 | tralala | semboy: you mean to install it from ubuntu? |
| 13:40.54 | semboy | yep |
| 13:40.56 | semboy | yess |
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| 13:41.26 | e-type | it would be less effort to have a fresh install iyam |
| 13:41.28 | freelancer | *yawn* |
| 13:41.41 | tralala | semboy: man debootstrap, /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 13:42.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:42.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 13:42.38 | saloxin | any recommendations for a ftp server which is easy to chroot? |
| 13:43.29 | superlinux | !pdnsd |
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| 13:43.40 | e-type | saloxin: not pureftpd ;) |
| 13:44.28 | superlinux | how can I add info about an application to the bot dpkg? |
| 13:45.03 | Hams | kibl, 2.6.16 seems to work fine |
| 13:45.04 | tralala | superlinux: dpkg: keyword is definition |
| 13:45.27 | nagulator | hmm icons do not install in gnome themes |
| 13:45.28 | nagulator | interesting |
| 13:47.28 | nagulator | hmm why icon themes do not load in gnome 2.8 |
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| 13:48.40 | tralala | nagulator: check if you have the icons package installed |
| 13:48.48 | nagulator | how? |
| 13:48.51 | mmm | where would i find the oracle config file? it says it's starting Starting Oracle Net Listener. Starting Oracle Database 10g Express Edition Instance. <-- but nothing on port 8080 |
| 13:48.57 | tralala | nagulator: /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:49.01 | superlinux | dpkg: !pdnsd is a Proxy DNS server. It uses a cache file/folder to save the DNS queries in that cache file. This way it will save bandwidth space to be used for other services. most recommended with Squid caching Proxy server |
| 13:49.01 | dpkg | superlinux: okay |
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| 13:49.12 | superlinux | !tcng |
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| 13:49.27 | superlinux | !pdnsd |
| 13:49.34 | tralala | !!pdnsd |
| 13:49.34 | dpkg | somebody said !pdnsd was a Proxy DNS server. It uses a cache file/folder to save the DNS queries in that cache file. This way it will save bandwidth space to be used for other services. most recommended with Squid caching Proxy server |
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| 13:50.09 | nagulator | tralala: sorry I do not understand how to use the bot |
| 13:50.19 | nagulator | i only want to install an icon theme in gnome |
| 13:50.20 | superlinux | trala I wanna redefine it |
| 13:50.47 | tralala | superlinux: you were supposed to use keyword, not !keyword |
| 13:50.56 | tralala | dpkg: forget !pdnsd |
| 13:50.56 | dpkg | tralala: i forgot !pdnsd |
| 13:50.58 | superlinux | you are correct |
| 13:51.07 | superlinux | and right |
| 13:51.14 | tralala | superlinux: go ahead now |
| 13:51.19 | superlinux | ok |
| 13:51.26 | superlinux | dpkg: pdnsd is a Proxy DNS server. It uses a cache file/folder to save the DNS queries in that cache file. This way it will save bandwidth space to be used for other services. most recommended with Squid caching Proxy server |
| 13:51.27 | dpkg | okay, superlinux |
| 13:51.34 | superlinux | !pdnsd |
| 13:51.35 | dpkg | [pdnsd] a Proxy DNS server. It uses a cache file/folder to save the DNS queries in that cache file. This way it will save bandwidth space to be used for other services. most recommended with Squid caching Proxy server |
| 13:52.12 | tralala | nagulator: msg the bot with the keyword |
| 13:52.25 | nagulator | tralala: yes with what though |
| 13:52.25 | abrotman | !info pdnsd |
| 13:52.27 | mmm | can someone check this out? http://rafb.net/paste/results/MkYwnl89.html, it's oracle status on debian sarge! |
| 13:52.31 | dpkg | pdnsd: (Proxy DNS Server), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.2par-1 (sid), Packaged size: 231 kB, Installed size: 596 kB |
| 13:52.35 | nagulator | if i put: i am a moron it will obviously not respond |
| 13:53.00 | peppet | superlinux: see dnsmasq too |
| 13:53.08 | tralala | nagulator: search |
| 13:53.28 | nagulator | wHat? |
| 13:53.29 | superlinux | peppet, pdnsd is a simpler form of BIND |
| 13:53.39 | nagulator | search icon-them: nothing happens |
| 13:53.40 | superlinux | peppet, try it |
| 13:53.42 | nagulator | them* |
| 13:53.43 | nagulator | nm |
| 13:54.05 | nagulator | i think this has nothing to do with you, it has to do with yet another esoteric way to do things |
| 13:54.22 | Esaj | is 172.* reserved for private intranets? |
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| 13:54.54 | abrotman | Esaj: part of it is |
| 13:55.01 | tralala | !tell nagulator -about search |
| 13:55.04 | tralala | there |
| 13:55.13 | abrotman | Esaj: google "Private address space IP" |
| 13:55.25 | teun_ | Esaj: no, not the entire 172/8 range, see RFC1918 |
| 13:55.33 | nagulator | listen, I have gnome installed |
| 13:55.39 | nagulator | i do not see why it should not accept icons |
| 13:55.43 | nagulator | really |
| 13:55.54 | Esaj | thanks |
| 13:56.16 | nagulator | it is not about debian packages it is probably some setting within gnome and has to do with the way it is packaged under debian |
| 13:56.26 | tralala | nagulator: obviously you've done something wrong |
| 13:56.31 | nagulator | probably |
| 13:57.15 | abrotman | accept icons where? |
| 13:57.20 | tralala | nagulator: now apply your newly gained searching skills and see if you can find a packge with gnome icons |
| 13:57.57 | blondie | o.o |
| 13:58.27 | nagulator | hmm tralala it has icons |
| 13:58.44 | nagulator | the problem is that it will not accept new icon themes |
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| 13:59.15 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 13:59.45 | nagulator | wth i will just do what I always do |
| 13:59.47 | nagulator | compile |
| 14:00.25 | superlinux | tralala, may tell my email to dpkg? |
| 14:00.26 | abrotman | go for it .. now go to #gnome |
| 14:00.36 | superlinux | may I? |
| 14:00.40 | blondie | go go go go go |
| 14:01.38 | mmm | plz can someone help me with oracle on sarge |
| 14:01.46 | abrotman | oracle is not in debian |
| 14:01.49 | azeem | nagulator: what's wrong with the default icon theme? |
| 14:02.04 | Brox | abrotman: it is |
| 14:02.05 | abrotman | or the dozens of icon themes that are packaged in sarge |
| 14:02.11 | abrotman | Brox: NO .. it's not |
| 14:02.12 | tralala | superlinux: sure if you don't mind the possible spammers |
| 14:02.22 | superlinux | no I don't |
| 14:02.22 | Brox | abrotman: what about oracle-xe? |
| 14:02.33 | abrotman | Brox: did you get that at debian.org? .. right .. not in debian |
| 14:02.37 | superlinux | I can delete them and I can learn form them |
| 14:02.42 | Brox | abrotman: ok |
| 14:02.49 | nagulator | azeem: nothing I want to install another theme and gnome does not like it |
| 14:03.19 | abrotman | maybe it's not compatible with 2.78 |
| 14:03.21 | abrotman | bah .. 2.8 |
| 14:03.43 | Brox | ich have a user named Lionhill in the group users - how can i instead put him in a group called "Lionhill"? Im having trouble to do mount -o bind /home/Lionill media where media is owned by Lionhill -- anyway if i do that as root i get mount: permission denied |
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| 14:04.18 | nagulator | ho well |
| 14:04.21 | Brox | ... but on another system it works fine |
| 14:04.28 | nagulator | unfortunately I will have to leave you for now |
| 14:04.31 | nagulator | thanks for all the help |
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| 14:06.26 | Brox | on the other system howerver both /home/Lionhill and media are owned by Lionhill and belong to the group Lionhill (in other words the third and fourth column of ls -l are set to Lionhill) |
| 14:06.45 | Brox | but everything else (in ls -l at least) is the same - whats going on? |
| 14:07.31 | DJ-Marcuzz | im lookin for an vnc like system, my goal is to log into the server y someting like vnc, then start some programs, shutdown the client pc, later on start the client pc again, connect to the srver again, and continue the session, this all in X |
| 14:09.09 | freelancer | my goal is to finish this bottle of wine by the time I retire for the everning... |
| 14:09.18 | fluxdude | I've got a 4TB raid 5 array with 10 disks of 500gb which is working very very slowly, it's got ext3 on top of it... Anybody know why? |
| 14:09.21 | peppet | DJ-Marcuzz: nohup, screen |
| 14:09.31 | Coweater | DJ-Marcuzz: you can run a local session and use x11vnc |
| 14:09.33 | abrotman | fluxdude: running in degraded mode? |
| 14:10.09 | Coweater | DJ-Marcuzz: might be a better solution, that's the only one i know |
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| 14:10.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | Coweater, that would be to ineffecient, peppet, what was you solution? |
| 14:10.22 | superlinux | dpkg: tcng is a tool to ease writing the rules for the Quality of Service (QoS), traffic shaping , and Internet speeds limiting comapared to using the `tc` command . tcng uses C++ dialect when written . tcng code is convered to `tc` shell commands with its options. Best for Linux Admins and Network Engineers. It can really replace Cisco routers if used with Quagga router package. try it also in the PPP interface startup/shudown scripts. Tested and |
| 14:10.22 | dpkg | okay, superlinux |
| 14:10.23 | superlinux | fully working in production in Saida city, Lebanon in a wireless LAN since Nov 2004. email: ranixlb@gmail.com for more info and examples. |
| 14:10.38 | superlinux | !tcng |
| 14:10.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, tcng is a tool to ease writing the rules for the Quality of Service (QoS), traffic shaping , and Internet speeds limiting comapared to using the `tc` command . tcng uses C++ dialect when written . tcng code is convered to `tc` shell commands with its options. Best for Linux Admins and Network Engineers. It can really replace Cisco routers if used with Quagga router package. try it also in the PPP interface startup/shudown scripts. Tested and |
| 14:10.40 | fluxdude | abrotman: I don't think so, It's kinda new... |
| 14:10.53 | Hams | Hey, im running Debian testing/unstable kernel 2.6.16 and im trying to compile rt2x00-2.0.0-b3 (driver for my wifi usb adapter) it there wasnt any problem installing it on 2.6.8 so i guess i need something can someone tell me what? make output http://pastebin.com/739289 |
| 14:11.15 | abrotman | superlinux: /msg the bot |
| 14:11.23 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:11.37 | abrotman | and stop filling it with stuff easily obtained from apt-cache |
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| 14:11.52 | abrotman | fluxdude: doesn't mean it's not degraded |
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| 14:12.11 | DJ-Marcuzz | peppet, what was you solution? |
| 14:12.14 | superlinux | abrotman, I have working and tested examples |
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| 14:12.29 | abrotman | superlinux: of what? |
| 14:12.36 | superlinux | of tcng |
| 14:12.39 | abrotman | so what? |
| 14:12.44 | Brox | why doesn't addgroup Lionhill work? |
| 14:12.48 | peppet | DJ-Marcuzz: it's not an X-based solution ;) |
| 14:12.57 | abrotman | Brox: it already exists ? |
| 14:13.01 | superlinux | it's the most difficult part in linux |
| 14:13.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok |
| 14:13.17 | abrotman | superlinux: uh .. no |
| 14:13.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | but i heard of vnc things, just like the windows terminal server, but hen for linux |
| 14:13.29 | Brox | nope |
| 14:13.56 | superlinux | and I am using it in a metropolitan MAN |
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| 14:14.04 | abrotman | Hams: did you ask the driver writer? |
| 14:14.05 | superlinux | WLAN |
| 14:14.13 | abrotman | what does that have to do with debian? |
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| 14:14.25 | dererk | Hi all! |
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| 14:14.31 | |RABBIT| | greetings |
| 14:14.31 | superlinux | well if some one asks for it... |
| 14:14.36 | Hams | abrotman, no |
| 14:14.42 | superlinux | he might refer to me |
| 14:14.45 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 14:14.49 | |RABBIT| | what should I dpkg-reconfigure to change the bios time to gmt? |
| 14:14.54 | superlinux | Ill be pleased to help |
| 14:14.56 | abrotman | Hams: the driver might not work with 2.6.16 |
| 14:15.06 | abrotman | |RABBIT|: base-config should do it |
| 14:15.48 | Brox | damn |
| 14:15.50 | redphoenix1 | how can i get debian to at startup grab my apple wireless keyboard?? |
| 14:15.58 | redphoenix1 | i been looking on google |
| 14:16.02 | redphoenix1 | and i dont see anything on it |
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| 14:16.12 | abrotman | redphoenix1: make a robotic arm! |
| 14:16.12 | dererk | I need a bit of help with apache2 and Debian. |
| 14:16.18 | abrotman | dererk: just ask |
| 14:16.18 | redphoenix1 | lol |
| 14:16.20 | redphoenix1 | :P |
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| 14:16.32 | abrotman | redphoenix1: why doesn't it work? .. checked logs? |
| 14:16.32 | dererk | abrotman, I'm writing :) |
| 14:16.40 | dererk | I need to implement a module which is a rate controller |
| 14:16.47 | redphoenix1 | well it works after i run a command |
| 14:16.56 | dererk | The problem is that I need to use a tool, aspx2 |
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| 14:17.03 | redphoenix1 | but i need to connect my old usb keyboard to run that command |
| 14:17.05 | |RABBIT| | abrotman: I don't seem to have it and apt-get says Package base-config has no installation candidate |
| 14:17.12 | dererk | which is supposed to be in a package called apache2-dev |
| 14:17.18 | abrotman | |RABBIT|: it's a command `base-config` |
| 14:17.20 | dererk | but, It's a virtual package |
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| 14:17.25 | Hams | abrotman, it should work |
| 14:17.28 | Brox | now really everything is the same on both machines: /home/Lionhill and media have exactly the same output (except for time etc.) as on the machine where the command works but still i get mount: permission denied with mount -o bind /home/Lionhill media |
| 14:17.32 | abrotman | dererk: /usr/bin/apxs2 or whatever it is |
| 14:17.32 | Brox | this is so weird |
| 14:17.40 | |RABBIT| | abrotman: -bash: base-config: command not found |
| 14:17.41 | dererk | sorry apxs2* |
| 14:17.42 | superlinux | !tcng |
| 14:17.42 | dpkg | somebody said tcng was a tool to ease writing the rules for the Quality of Service (QoS), traffic shaping , and Internet speeds limiting comapared to using the `tc` command . tcng uses C++ dialect when written . tcng code is convered to `tc` shell commands with its options. Best for Linux Admins and Network Engineers. It can really replace Cisco routers if used with Quagga router package. try it also in the PPP interface startup/shudown scripts. Tested and |
| 14:17.48 | redphoenix1 | i have bluez installed |
| 14:17.49 | abrotman | superlinux: stop that |
| 14:17.51 | redphoenix1 | and everything |
| 14:17.55 | superlinux | I just testing |
| 14:17.55 | dererk | abrotman, it doesn't exist |
| 14:17.57 | abrotman | superlinux: msg the fucking bot .. stop being a damn tard |
| 14:17.57 | redphoenix1 | i am using the keyboard right now |
| 14:18.03 | redphoenix1 | just need it at startup |
| 14:18.15 | abrotman | redphoenix1: oh .. you mean .. when the machine first boots? |
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| 14:18.20 | redphoenix1 | yea |
| 14:18.26 | abrotman | isn't that a BIOS function ? |
| 14:18.28 | dererk | abrotman, It's provided by the package apache2-dev, which is a virtual one |
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| 14:18.36 | redphoenix1 | its already detected at boot |
| 14:18.37 | superlinux | abrotman, pardon me |
| 14:18.40 | redphoenix1 | but once i boot debian |
| 14:18.43 | abrotman | !find bin/apxs sarge |
| 14:18.43 | redphoenix1 | it dont work |
| 14:18.44 | lepton | hmm. never heard of tong. got QoS working by googling, hacking a script I found. works great with my vonage service |
| 14:18.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/apxs' (2): (/usr/bin/{apxs|apxs-perl|apxs-ssl}) in devel/apache-dev ;; (/usr/bin/apxs2) in devel/apache2-prefork-dev,devel/apache2-threaded-dev. |
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| 14:19.01 | abrotman | dererk: ^^ |
| 14:19.09 | abrotman | dererk: so what about it doesn't work ? |
| 14:19.26 | abrotman | redphoenix1: did you load the correct modules? |
| 14:19.47 | freelancer | whats sarge like compared to potato? |
| 14:19.51 | Hams | what compiler is used to compile linux-image-2.6.16-1-486 ? |
| 14:19.54 | redphoenix1 | ??? i can use it just fine once i run the command |
| 14:19.57 | abrotman | freelancer: newer stuff? |
| 14:19.57 | Hams | was * |
| 14:19.59 | superlinux | freelancer, nothing! |
| 14:20.00 | redphoenix1 | hidd -c |
| 14:20.03 | pngwen | I am trying to compile usrobotics r8139 driver (their custom version) and it keeps complaining about me not having a /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build directory. What package will generate that directory? Or do I have to compile the kernel from scratch in order to do this (NOTE: I shouldn't have to, but that's on option if I must) |
| 14:20.03 | superlinux | potato! |
| 14:20.05 | blondie | gcc? |
| 14:20.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | i found my own solutions, if your interested: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=72893 |
| 14:20.14 | dererk | abrotman, nice! :D |
| 14:20.17 | blondie | DJ-Marcuzz: your interested what? |
| 14:20.28 | redphoenix1 | and also my keyboard falls asleep if i dont use it for long |
| 14:20.38 | abrotman | Hams: cat /proc/version |
| 14:20.40 | redphoenix1 | and then i can use it again untill i run the command again |
| 14:20.47 | abrotman | i hope it's a long prayer |
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| 14:21.32 | freelancer | not much is different, eh...ok... |
| 14:22.15 | superlinux | abrotman, bingo it was not started yet |
| 14:22.29 | abrotman | freelancer: it would have newer software .. and actually have security support .. unlike potato |
| 14:22.32 | pngwen | do you have to compile the kernel to get the /lib/modules/[version]/build directory? |
| 14:22.53 | pngwen | or is there a package for it? |
| 14:23.08 | freelancer | of cause I realise it would have newer software... lol |
| 14:23.15 | abrotman | !tell pngwen about search |
| 14:23.23 | abrotman | freelancer: support for newer hardware ... |
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| 14:24.40 | freelancer | are modules/packages compatiple on different versions? |
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| 14:25.07 | redphoenix1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:25.09 | abrotman | versions of .. what? |
| 14:25.12 | pngwen | ah, I see, there is only a kernel-build package for 2.4.x kernels :-P |
| 14:25.19 | GeorgeA_Work | anybody give me a hand with vnc? |
| 14:25.24 | Brox | creating a soft link worked oh well |
| 14:25.28 | pngwen | that really sucks. |
| 14:25.44 | abrotman | !ask |
| 14:25.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:25.58 | pngwen | at least kernel configuration is fun and exciting in debian! :-D |
| 14:26.40 | superlinux | back |
| 14:26.56 | abrotman | damn |
| 14:27.02 | pngwen | no wait, there is a kernel build package for 2.6.8-2 what would cause apt-cache to not find it? |
| 14:27.02 | peppet | lol |
| 14:27.05 | abrotman | !tell pngwen about kp |
| 14:27.32 | lukketto | Picasa for LINUX on google.com ! |
| 14:27.39 | abrotman | yay slashdot! |
| 14:28.00 | superlinux | lukketto, I read that today on linux.com |
| 14:28.05 | pngwen | abrotman: I know about that stuff. I had assumed that with the installation of the kernel, I would get the headers and the build as well. I didn't, so my bad. I know my way around the debian toolset though :-P |
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| 14:28.40 | abrotman | pngwen: okeedokee |
| 14:28.49 | lukketto | abrotman: for me it works well! |
| 14:28.57 | abrotman | lukketto: slashdot or picassa? |
| 14:29.03 | pngwen | abrotman: BUT you did show me the dpkg bot, which I think rocks, so ty :-D |
| 14:29.04 | lukketto | abro: picasa |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | pngwen: so it's still broken ? |
| 14:29.28 | Brox | you can't use sofftlinks like dirs - so is there any other way for having a dir that points to another dir except mount -o bind? |
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| 14:29.45 | blondie | bubute: yes you can |
| 14:29.47 | blondie | erm, |
| 14:29.50 | blondie | Brox: yes you can |
| 14:29.56 | Brox | go ahead |
| 14:30.05 | blondie | ln -s directory link |
| 14:30.06 | pngwen | abrotman: no, apparently I had a way old apt-cache on that box. I updated it and the package showed up, installed it, and now the module compiles |
| 14:30.06 | blondie | works fine |
| 14:30.15 | Brox | no |
| 14:30.17 | blondie | yes |
| 14:30.29 | abrotman | pngwen: good |
| 14:30.37 | blondie | Brox: it does work fine thanks. |
| 14:30.42 | redphoenix1 | back |
| 14:30.42 | Brox | for example if i put media/file in html then it won't follow the softlink |
| 14:30.59 | Brox | in this case the softlink being media |
| 14:31.10 | Brox | and file is actually in another dir |
| 14:31.10 | blondie | that's because you've set apache that way |
| 14:31.16 | Brox | ? |
| 14:31.30 | Brox | so apache can't handle softlinks right? |
| 14:31.33 | blondie | apache has an option for not following symlinks |
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| 14:31.50 | blondie | it can handle them perfectly well -- they are implemented at the FS layer so it doesn't care |
| 14:32.04 | blondie | but it can be told not to follow them, which must be what the case is |
| 14:32.20 | Brox | its more complicated: this is tomcat |
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| 14:32.36 | blondie | Brox: fine, but directory symlinks work fine. |
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| 14:33.53 | Brox | ok thank you |
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| 14:39.14 | omry | I am trying to build my kernel with smp support using make-kpkg (following the tutorial at http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/). when I attempt to install the deb I get a warning that a kernel with that version is already installed. any hints how to prevent this warning? |
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| 14:39.49 | peppet | oa |
| 14:39.58 | peppet | ops |
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| 14:41.04 | mmm | how to add something so my path? |
| 14:41.21 | peppet | omry: configure leneral setup->local version |
| 14:41.28 | peppet | *general |
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| 14:41.52 | omry | peppet, in the menu-config? |
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| 14:42.02 | peppet | omry: yes |
| 14:42.17 | omry | peppet, trying, thanks. |
| 14:42.25 | Tassium | Looking for current Debian wine packages.. Anyone have a repository? |
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| 14:42.33 | redphoenix1 | anyone know when xgl will come to debian sid? |
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| 14:42.42 | redphoenix1 | or is there a way i can do that now |
| 14:42.44 | redphoenix1 | ? |
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| 14:43.13 | omry | peppet, is there a way to rebuild the deb without cleaning the whole thing? :) |
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| 14:44.06 | kspath | redphoenix1: Are you into XGL development? |
| 14:44.07 | freelancer | grr, dontcha just hate killing time |
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| 14:44.18 | abrotman | redphoenix1: /msg dpkg xgl .. no timeline for xgl in sid at this point |
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| 14:44.40 | abrotman | yay bots! |
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| 14:44.54 | freelancer | been killing time for the last four hours... |
| 14:44.55 | insidius | Hey wow who knew you could get out of overflow by identifying |
| 14:44.59 | blondie | Activate Death Sequence |
| 14:45.02 | jspiro | semboy: so you want to switch to Debian? |
| 14:45.09 | semboy | yep |
| 14:45.14 | semboy | so you can help me better |
| 14:45.16 | redphoenix1 | no i just want to use it |
| 14:45.16 | semboy | :P |
| 14:45.18 | jspiro | semboy: do you have a Debian ISO? |
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| 14:45.23 | semboy | nope |
| 14:45.45 | Ronin | jspiro: www.debian.org |
| 14:45.54 | jspiro | semboy: you will need debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 14:45.55 | semboy | man debootstrap, /msg dpkg debootstrap what with this than? |
| 14:46.19 | jspiro | semboy: oops, I mean: debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 14:46.44 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 14:46.44 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
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| 14:46.58 | semboy | ohh man is ther a is way than this crap -i dont want to burn a cd |
| 14:46.59 | semboy | ;( |
| 14:47.14 | jspiro | semboy: yes, but it is difficult. |
| 14:48.10 | jspiro | semboy: why are you PM'ing me?? |
| 14:48.24 | semboy | cuzz i want to |
| 14:48.29 | semboy | i dont want to paste it here |
| 14:48.41 | jspiro | semboy: pasting less than 3 lines is ok. |
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| 14:49.03 | jspiro | semboy: or 4 lines no more than every 5 minutes. |
| 14:49.20 | semboy | ok great |
| 14:49.25 | semboy | answer me there than |
| 14:49.59 | jspiro | semboy: where? |
| 14:50.24 | semboy | just nothing |
| 14:50.28 | jspiro | ok |
| 14:50.28 | SerajewelKS | !in the channel |
| 14:50.28 | dpkg | i guess in the channel is Stay in the channel unless someone gives you permission to private message them. |
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| 14:50.31 | Ronin | dont want to burn a cd? why not? its not like it tough to do |
| 14:50.34 | semboy | you dont want to help me that is all ;S |
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| 14:50.51 | Ronin | ahh needed thier little hands held i see |
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| 14:51.38 | insidius | hmm |
| 14:51.38 | kspath | !beyond help |
| 14:51.40 | jakl | I have installed 3.1.How can I upgrade to 3.2 |
| 14:51.55 | jspiro | jakl: why do you want to? |
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| 14:52.23 | jakl | jspiro:I just want to use the latest kernel |
| 14:52.27 | jspiro | jakl: why? |
| 14:52.28 | bnovc_ | i'm trying to use php_value open_basedir inside of my apache configuration but it is being completely disregarded - its empty in ini_get() in php and nothing in the error log |
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| 14:52.34 | SerajewelKS | jakl: 3.2 does not exist |
| 14:52.39 | jakl | 31r2 |
| 14:52.46 | jakl | I install 31r1 |
| 14:52.58 | jspiro | jakl: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:52.59 | SerajewelKS | jakl: set up some apt sources for sarge and dist-upgrade |
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| 14:53.20 | jakl | Can you show me your /etc/apt/source.list |
| 14:53.26 | Ronin | jakl: why do yuou need the latest kernel? |
| 14:53.35 | Tassium | bnovc_ php_admin_value open_basedir .... |
| 14:53.37 | jspiro | Ronin++ :) |
| 14:54.06 | mmm | anyone succeeded installing oracle-xe on sarge? |
| 14:54.28 | bnovc_ | Tassium: i'll try that but i thought it was php_admin for _flag and just php_value as php.net/configuration_changes suggests |
| 14:54.42 | pharm | jakl: If you really need the latest kernel, then backports.org is your friend. |
| 14:54.45 | kspath | !tell mmm about oracle |
| 14:54.49 | jspiro | mmm: doesn't Oracle Inc. provide tech support with every purchase? :) |
| 14:55.16 | kspath | !tell mmm about jspiro |
| 14:55.19 | pharm | jakl: if by latest kernel you mean 2.6.16 |
| 14:55.24 | SerajewelKS | Ronin: when did he mention the kernel |
| 14:55.30 | kspath | !tell jspiro about oracle |
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| 14:55.32 | jspiro | !tell jspiro about jspiro |
| 14:55.35 | Ronin | 11:52:56] <jakl> jspiro:I just want to use the latest kernel |
| 14:55.36 | bnovc_ | Tassium: that worked, thakn you |
| 14:55.48 | Hams | when recompiling isent "make", "make install" enuff? |
| 14:55.56 | SerajewelKS | Ronin: ah, missed that |
| 14:55.57 | jspiro | Hams: what are you compiling? |
| 14:56.01 | Ronin | :) |
| 14:56.02 | insidius | !telll insidius about jspiro |
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| 14:56.11 | insidius | heh |
| 14:56.17 | SerajewelKS | Ronin: that was really obvious, wasn't it.. |
| 14:56.45 | jspiro | Hams: what are you compiling? |
| 14:56.46 | Ronin | SerajewelKS: no comment considering what ive missed here :) |
| 14:57.11 | kspath | I just want the latest of everything. I do not care if it will make up a stable system. I do not know how to write or "fix" any of it but I want the latest of everything and I want to join channels and whine about those things that do not work the way I think they should. |
| 14:57.24 | Ronin | kspath: hah |
| 14:57.33 | jspiro | kspath: ah! join #ubuntu+1 </sarcasm> :) |
| 14:57.39 | simonrvn | @kill kspath |
| 14:57.41 | tijn__ | **** Jumps up, grabs the trout and puts its back in the river.. Another trout saved! |
| 14:57.43 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 14:57.48 | simonrvn | not really |
| 14:57.50 | simonrvn | :) |
| 14:57.56 | setcode | hello |
| 14:58.07 | Ronin | throw back in the river? waste of a good eating fish |
| 14:58.31 | simonrvn | no kidding. mmmmmm trout </homer> |
| 14:58.31 | tijn__ | **** Jumps up, grabs the trout and puts its back in the river.. Another trout saved! |
| 14:58.33 | kspath | Ronin: That one had mercury in it. |
| 14:58.37 | jspiro | the "My fish is in the oven." userbox on wikipedia was proposed for deletion recently. I dunno what happened. |
| 14:58.42 | blondie | trout |
| 14:58.42 | tijn__ | **** Jumps up, grabs the trout and puts its back in the river.. Another trout saved! |
| 14:58.44 | Ronin | kspath: they all do |
| 14:58.46 | Adam_ | I've got an insanely stupid/newb question if anyone could help me out |
| 14:58.50 | Ronin | ok whos bot is that one? |
| 14:58.52 | blondie | tijn__: stop that at once |
| 14:58.55 | lepton | why are no carp used to @kill someone? they're overabundant in North America |
| 14:59.00 | jspiro | tijn__: help |
| 14:59.29 | jspiro | holy quark! |
| 14:59.39 | stew | Adam_: if you have an actual question, just ask it |
| 15:00.18 | Adam_ | ok. I'm really new to the whole linux thing. I'm looking for a distrobution that could be my acting desktop os while letting me actually learn the OS |
| 15:00.28 | simonrvn | 'distribution' |
| 15:00.30 | Ronin | Adam_: debian |
| 15:00.30 | Adam_ | I'm wondering if Debian is a good choice for that... |
| 15:00.32 | Adam_ | sorry |
| 15:00.38 | simonrvn | s'ok :) |
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| 15:00.59 | Adam_ | That's what I expected, I tried vector linux but I didn't know enough about my laptop hardware to configure it |
| 15:01.01 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: You're asking in the debian help channel... what did you expect ? ;) |
| 15:01.02 | Daniel24 | wow |
| 15:01.06 | Daniel24 | fluxbox vuela |
| 15:01.14 | Daniel24 | dejo a xfce4 |
| 15:01.16 | setcode | I in search of smtps and imap/imaps linux proxy. Now I'm using p3scan qho works fine in pop/pops/smtp, but no with another ? |
| 15:01.21 | cahoot | Daedalus_: an honest answer? |
| 15:01.23 | jspiro | Adam_: use debian or ubuntu. ubuntu's package management is slightly easier to use but debian's IRC channel is way better and debian grows with you better. |
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| 15:02.01 | formorer | package management is easier? funny... its the same |
| 15:02.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | !dkpg xorg |
| 15:02.09 | Adam_ | that's what I want too, I want an OS that forms to me and what I need it for... I might use Ubuntu on my laptop because I need something that can autoconfigure my hardware though |
| 15:02.18 | Ronin | Adam_: debian can |
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| 15:02.34 | Ronin | but even if it can you may want to do it yourself, no better way to learn |
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| 15:02.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | !dpkg xorg |
| 15:02.52 | Adam_ | Well, while I would like to be able to do it myself... |
| 15:02.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 15:02.58 | tijn__ | blondie: ?? |
| 15:03.00 | Adam_ | I have inherited all my computer tech right now |
| 15:03.07 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: you might try a liveCD for the first bit. You don't have to install anything, hardware is autodetected, so you can just play with the environment |
| 15:03.18 | jspiro | tijn__: are you running an autorespond script? |
| 15:03.20 | DJ-Marcuzz | brb |
| 15:03.28 | kspath | trout |
| 15:03.29 | tijn__ | **** Jumps up, grabs the trout and puts its back in the river.. Another trout saved! |
| 15:03.33 | tijn__ | yes |
| 15:03.36 | kspath | tijn__: TURN THAT OFF |
| 15:03.43 | Adam_ | Yeah, does knoppix use a true debian install or is it kind of changed? |
| 15:03.43 | tijn__ | but |
| 15:03.45 | Daedalus_ | !lart tijn__ |
| 15:03.45 | jspiro | tijn__: it is impolite. |
| 15:03.48 | Hams | jspiro, the kernel sorry for the late responds |
| 15:03.50 | tijn__ | the sad trouts |
| 15:03.51 | cahoot | Adam_: whatever you choose - be prepared for a state of utter newbieness |
| 15:03.52 | tijn__ | :S |
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| 15:04.00 | jspiro | Hams: you are recompiling your kernel? why? |
| 15:04.24 | insidius | Hell its been 8 months and im still in a state of utter newbiness, some pick it up easier i guess |
| 15:04.29 | jspiro | Hams: hello???? are you there? |
| 15:04.31 | Adam_ | oh I'm already prepared for it lol |
| 15:04.39 | Hams | becouse i cant find gcc-4.0.3-2 so i can get my modules to work and for fun :) |
| 15:04.41 | Adam_ | my last attempt at linux was 'pink tie' linux when I was 14 |
| 15:04.42 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: Knoppix is not debian, adn #debian does not support knoppix, but you will find the two quite similar in their layout... |
| 15:05.09 | Adam_ | yeah that's what I was wondering, I was under the impression that knoppix was based off of debian |
| 15:05.15 | Daedalus_ | Yep |
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| 15:05.19 | jspiro | Hams: which modules? you may need m-a. |
| 15:05.21 | Adam_ | I didn't know how close they were though |
| 15:05.33 | Hams | jspiro |
| 15:05.35 | Hams | m-a? |
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| 15:05.38 | Adam_ | how hard is it to do a debian net install? |
| 15:05.42 | jspiro | Hams: which modules? |
| 15:05.47 | Adam_ | I don't have any spare blank CD's |
| 15:05.48 | CrippsFX | Adam_, not hard at all. |
| 15:05.48 | Hams | sound, wifi |
| 15:05.50 | jspiro | Adam_: no harder than a regular debian install. |
| 15:05.59 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: I'm honestly not sure exactly how close they are, but it is known to be a derivative work. |
| 15:06.05 | jspiro | Hams: the netinstall CDimage is a CD image. |
| 15:06.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | would it be smart to use xorg on servers where i need the xvnc, or is xvnc enough? |
| 15:06.22 | Adam_ | ok, do I need to know mirror locations or something to tell the net install? |
| 15:06.25 | kspath | DJ-Marcuzz: remove the word smart |
| 15:06.26 | tijn__ | nha ill turn it off |
| 15:06.29 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: Frankly, I think a full CD install is a waste of CD media, unless you don't have a net connection. |
| 15:06.38 | jspiro | tijn__: ahh! relief. :) |
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| 15:06.45 | Hams | Adam_ no |
| 15:06.46 | blondie | I think a computer is a waste without a net connection :) |
| 15:06.49 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: it comes with a list of mirrors in a nice selection box |
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| 15:06.58 | CrippsFX | kay ... I need a bit of help here ... I need to mount my RAID array, but I don't know where to start. I already did "/msg dpkg raid" ... but the info there was of no use. can someone point me to a good raid how to? |
| 15:06.59 | tijn__ | trout |
| 15:07.12 | Daedalus_ | !trout tijn__ |
| 15:07.12 | jspiro | Hams: you may need m-a. I cannot help you more though, I don't know enough about it. |
| 15:07.13 | Adam_ | Cool, because I've tried a mirror install before and it sucked lol. |
| 15:07.42 | Adam_ | What's the prime difference between debian and slackware? (or ARCH) |
| 15:07.47 | CrippsFX | !fish tijn__ |
| 15:07.50 | CrippsFX | ;) |
| 15:07.51 | jspiro | Adam_: debian has 10x the packages. |
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| 15:08.01 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: a package management system? |
| 15:08.07 | Adam_ | I was told "If you want to truly learn linux use Debian, Slackware, or Arch" |
| 15:08.17 | CrippsFX | ARCH never made it that far ... although, the idea was good. |
| 15:08.18 | jspiro | Adam_: dont be stupid. use debian. |
| 15:08.26 | Adam_ | lol OK :) |
| 15:08.31 | CrippsFX | jspiro, lol. biased much? |
| 15:08.34 | Adam_ | anyone in here study computer science? |
| 15:08.38 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: Slackware makes you do pretty much everything. Their version of packages is trafiles, and you have to dive into config files every 5 minutes.. |
| 15:08.49 | CrippsFX | ... if you *really* want to learn linux, use LFS |
| 15:08.54 | Daedalus_ | Adam_:err tarfiles/tarballs |
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| 15:08.56 | jspiro | CrippsFX: not at all :) |
| 15:08.58 | CrippsFX | Adam_, I'm in compsci |
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| 15:09.04 | CrippsFX | jspiro, lol. |
| 15:09.04 | Adam_ | Well, I want to learn the basics first lol |
| 15:09.06 | jspiro | CrippsFX: I am a slack refugee. |
| 15:09.20 | Maulkin | Adam_: I *used* to when I was at Uni |
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| 15:09.24 | Adam_ | Yeah, I want to study compsci and do software programming |
| 15:09.27 | pipeline | CrippsFX, Adam_ : LFS won't magically teach you linux. It'll teach you distribution development. Not the most valuable skill on earth. |
| 15:09.32 | CrippsFX | jspiro, closest I got to slack was modifying both zenwalk, and vectorlinux |
| 15:09.35 | Hams | jspiro, what is m-a? |
| 15:09.41 | azeem | !m-a |
| 15:09.41 | dpkg | hmm... module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 15:09.43 | pipeline | Adam_: Don't listen to the erstatz old hands in this channel. Easy is good. Documented is better. |
| 15:09.43 | Maulkin | Hams: module-assistant |
| 15:09.47 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: There is something to be said for running something like slackware first... but I think in the majority of cases, people just get frustrated with it before learning much. |
| 15:09.58 | CrippsFX | pipeline, true enough. But it does make you get all the way into your elbows with configs and stuff. |
| 15:09.59 | jspiro | Daedalus_++ |
| 15:10.05 | Adam_ | Yeah, I want something that's kind of in the middle |
| 15:10.11 | Maulkin | Adam_: I'd suggest Debian :) |
| 15:10.17 | cahoot | Adam_: you want stabel - go debian |
| 15:10.21 | pipeline | CrippsFX: I much prefer having thorough documentation and resources to fall back on. |
| 15:10.25 | Adam_ | I tried simply mepis and pclinuxos it didn't feel like I was going to get much from them |
| 15:10.28 | Maulkin | Adam_: It strikes a good balance between making you do everything yourself and doing everything for you |
| 15:10.35 | pipeline | CrippsFX, Adam_: I wouldn't be caught dead using something other than Debian and RHEL. |
| 15:10.36 | Adam_ | that's what I want |
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| 15:11.01 | CrippsFX | pipeline, lol. I'm currently usung debian and ubuntu, but I was just on Fedora. |
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| 15:11.18 | ALBAS | 819 technically minded USERS. |
| 15:11.31 | ALBAS | Might I get a faster response if I write to premiumsupport@hushmail.com or if I go through the web-based form? |
| 15:11.32 | Adam_ | I wanted to try fedora, but it looked like it'd be more hand holding and not teaching more than that distrobution |
| 15:11.34 | CrippsFX | ALBAS, wha? |
| 15:11.42 | ALBAS | They lead to the same place, I know, but the web-based form assigns one an ID number and may result in different placement within the queue. |
| 15:11.43 | Adam_ | distri* |
| 15:11.45 | kspath | ALBAS: off-topic |
| 15:11.57 | ALBAS | kspath, Yes, but 820 tehnically minded users. |
| 15:12.05 | kspath | ALBAS: yes, but off-topic |
| 15:12.06 | CrippsFX | Adam_, actually, fedora's not that bad. although, if you do use it, use FC<current-1> |
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| 15:12.10 | ALBAS | kspath, Surely there is no better place to ask a technical question. |
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| 15:12.29 | Adam_ | Yeah, I'll do debian... do the CD images come in torrents? |
| 15:12.33 | kspath | ALBAS: Surely, you can read this is #debian. Do you have a Debian question? |
| 15:12.36 | Maulkin | ALBAS: Very off topic, please drop it |
| 15:12.38 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: RHEL is very much the windows of the linux world. They really try to make everything as userfriendly as possible... sometimes to a fault. I personally can't stand it, but it works for some folks. |
| 15:12.53 | ALBAS | Right. |
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| 15:13.06 | ALBAS | Gentlemen may message me in private. Let us keep the channel ON topic. |
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| 15:13.18 | CrippsFX | Daedalus_, I disagree .. you're forgetting linspire, Xandros, PCLinuxOS, Mandrake .... |
| 15:13.20 | CrippsFX | ;) |
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| 15:13.24 | Maulkin | ALBAS: Or at least vaguely on topic :) |
| 15:13.29 | Adam_ | I want something stable, scalable (grows with me), and something I can really learn to use whatever programming skills I develop in the future |
| 15:13.33 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: I'd grab a netinstall image and do it that way, unless you're on dialup or somesuch. |
| 15:13.55 | Maulkin | Adam_: In that case, I really would suggest Debian :) |
| 15:13.56 | goron | I have lost all the icons in Evolution (I see red crosses). Is there some way to get them back? I already did apt-get --reinstall install evolution |
| 15:14.01 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: programming and running linux are two very different things |
| 15:14.03 | Adam_ | No I'm on DSL but I have to unplugg the cord from my computer and plug it into my laptop |
| 15:14.14 | Adam_ | so that kills my internet during the install lol |
| 15:14.29 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: If you're having to code to run linux, there's something very wrong with the world ;) |
| 15:15.30 | Daedalus_ | Aha |
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| 15:15.31 | Adam_ | No, I want to learn coding though |
| 15:15.31 | Maulkin | Daedalus_: Or he's running Slackware |
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| 15:15.32 | Adam_ | I'm hoping that one day I'll be working on opensource programs and maybe proprietary ones too |
| 15:15.33 | Adam_ | depending on if I really need the money or not |
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| 15:15.42 | Maulkin | *shrug* You can make money from FOSS |
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| 15:16.03 | Adam_ | Yeah, but I am already engaged... it's not just myself I'm concerned about |
| 15:16.22 | Adam_ | So I'll see when I get there |
| 15:16.27 | Adam_ | for now... to find debian images |
| 15:16.40 | Maulkin | cdimage.debian.org |
| 15:16.55 | ALBAS | You worrying about your lover, Adam_? |
| 15:16.55 | cahoot | Adam_: in that case debian is for you since the name is derived from a couple |
| 15:17.05 | Maulkin | Yup |
| 15:17.06 | ALBAS | Adam_, Is she your Princess Cupcake? |
| 15:17.07 | Daedalus_ | *nods* Cool. It's a good ambition. Finding the balance between stability, documentation, and new features is hard. |
| 15:17.10 | Eulex | !d-i Adam_ |
| 15:17.10 | dpkg | Adam_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:17.19 | Maulkin | oh, yeah |
| 15:17.31 | Adam_ | lol |
| 15:17.42 | Adam_ | ok I want debian sarge then? |
| 15:17.48 | jspiro | Adam_: yes! |
| 15:17.49 | blondie | does that silly jigdo system still exist? |
| 15:17.51 | Maulkin | Adam_: Yup |
| 15:17.56 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: for now at least |
| 15:17.58 | ALBAS | Debian SARGE is a wonderful piece of work. |
| 15:17.58 | jspiro | blondie: there's BitTorrent now. |
| 15:18.00 | Maulkin | blondie: It's one of the systems |
| 15:18.10 | ALBAS | You will NOT be disappointed, Adam. |
| 15:18.18 | blondie | right |
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| 15:18.22 | ALBAS | I promise you that. |
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| 15:18.39 | blondie | I like doing netinst, just wondered as I thought it just made things complicated |
| 15:18.42 | ALBAS | The greatest thing to come out of Open Source in all recent years in my humble opinion. |
| 15:18.47 | Adam_ | OK, I've heard good things of sarge |
| 15:18.48 | Maulkin | Adam_: Start with sarge. When you get better, you can move on to etch. When you start doing development for Debian, you can move on to sid. When you loose your mind, you can start on experimental :) |
| 15:19.11 | blondie | and when you get even worse than that you try gentoo? :( |
| 15:19.25 | Adam_ | yeah, but that's like owning a hot-rod |
| 15:19.31 | kspath | !metoo |
| 15:19.37 | amee2k | how do i configure exim to listen on external interfaces and support TLS? |
| 15:19.40 | kspath | hmm |
| 15:19.40 | Hams | Maulkin, what are you when you using unstable/testing? |
| 15:19.40 | Adam_ | you spend more time polishing and maintaining then you do using it lol |
| 15:20.14 | cahoot | Adam_: you might as well know that 'lol' is frowned upon here |
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| 15:20.23 | Daedalus_ | blondie: nah, just when you feel like wasting hours of processor time ;) |
| 15:20.26 | Adam_ | why is that cahoot? |
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| 15:20.34 | Daedalus_ | !lol |
| 15:20.34 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:20.35 | Maulkin | Hams: Hmm? |
| 15:20.36 | ALBAS | Debian Sarge is just like PURE granite, folks. |
| 15:20.38 | blondie | processor time, electricity plus pulling hair out |
| 15:20.45 | ALBAS | BOY is it ever stable! And secure! |
| 15:21.16 | cahoot | Adam_: and that was the polished version |
| 15:21.19 | Adam_ | Well, I have used AIM for as long as I can remember. But I'll break myself of the habit for the channel :) |
| 15:21.39 | Daedalus_ | ALBAS: would you do me a favor and chill out? |
| 15:21.57 | kspath | Daedalus_: You can put ALBAS on /ignore list |
| 15:22.24 | amee2k | any hints? |
| 15:22.27 | Daedalus_ | kspath: fights the symptom, not the disease |
| 15:22.34 | jspiro | Daedalus_++ |
| 15:22.36 | kspath | Daedalus_: True. |
| 15:22.57 | Daedalus_ | amee2k: Sorry, I got nothing. |
| 15:23.07 | amee2k | o.O |
| 15:23.08 | kspath | Daedalus_: Maybe point ALBAS to a clinic for assistance rather? |
| 15:23.09 | Daedalus_ | amee2k: have you googled it yet? |
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| 15:23.20 | Daedalus_ | Hehe |
| 15:23.20 | amee2k | yep |
| 15:23.35 | Adam_ | Ok Debian installer ISO is downloading |
| 15:23.35 | ALBAS | Sorry. |
| 15:23.41 | ALBAS | It makes me excited. |
| 15:23.52 | ALBAS | I am a big tecky. |
| 15:23.58 | Eulex | :) |
| 15:24.07 | pyroplasm | no way! :) |
| 15:24.08 | insidius | etch? |
| 15:24.09 | abrotman | techy? |
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| 15:24.18 | Adam_ | any documentation or something I should read while I'm waiting for the download? |
| 15:24.26 | insidius | What is etch? |
| 15:24.31 | Eulex | !etch |
| 15:24.31 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 15:24.44 | insidius | hmmm |
| 15:24.59 | insidius | So another words its not exactly stable? |
| 15:25.06 | Daedalus_ | Adam_: I can't think of anything off the top of my head. I recommend just jumping in, and then consulting docs when you get stuck. The installation part is supposed to be mostly painless. |
| 15:25.09 | abrotman | not exactly even close to stable |
| 15:25.17 | abrotman | insidius: things can still severely break in etch |
| 15:25.19 | jspiro | insidius: IMO, do not use etch. use backports for only the packages you want to upgrade. |
| 15:25.23 | Eulex | insidius, not as stable as sarge, at least |
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| 15:25.33 | Eulex | insidius, things rarely break severely, though |
| 15:25.37 | Adam_ | that's good... Vector had a HORRIBLE problem with my monitor... I hope debian doesn't |
| 15:25.43 | kspath | I could have started looking into 2-3 distributions by now. |
| 15:25.43 | ALBAS | Just imagining SARGE as like pure granite, so secure, so stable, and such a finely processed piece of work, it does something wonderful to my spirits. |
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| 15:25.55 | insidius | heh im thinking it could be fun :-) I learn the most when im required to make things work and not just have them work for me |
| 15:25.57 | ALBAS | Do you know what is like to use the very best? |
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| 15:26.17 | ALBAS | To know that you ARE using the very best, the most stable, the most secure, the most BRILLIANT? |
| 15:26.21 | Adam_ | Albas by any chance were you a preacher, telemarketer, or traveling salesman in a former life? |
| 15:26.37 | cahoot | windows user |
| 15:26.48 | jspiro | ALBAS: do not use capital letters on IRC. use *italics* instead. |
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| 15:26.55 | jspiro | ALBAS: do not use them in your nickname either. |
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| 15:27.03 | Flav | Hi, i had a problem with bind9 so, i deleted all folders with bind9 utils. before i did apt-get remove, and then delete, and now apt-get install, but there isn't deamon in /etc/init.d. SomeOne can help me please? |
| 15:27.05 | Flav | Thnaks |
| 15:27.07 | Flav | thanks |
| 15:27.08 | jspiro | Flav: oops |
| 15:27.23 | Adam_ | heh, yeah the windows user thing also explains it. |
| 15:27.23 | stew | Flav: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:27.24 | abrotman | !tell flav about confmiss |
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| 15:27.33 | P4C0 | hello guys, one question |
| 15:27.36 | ALBAS | jspiro, Well, I like the caps. |
| 15:27.42 | jspiro | ALBAS: also, advice do not evangelize. be level-headed always. |
| 15:27.43 | jspiro | ALBAS: why? |
| 15:27.45 | insidius | Well, we dont |
| 15:27.56 | cahoot | hmm Well? |
| 15:28.03 | semboy | !tell semboy about paste |
| 15:28.15 | Eulex | ALBAS, just so you'll know, caps signify screaming or yelling in irc |
| 15:28.21 | P4C0 | what can I do when I get someting like this: trying to overwrite /etc/X11/Xsessions wich is also in package xfree86-common... and the package that it's upgrading is x11-common... apt-get -f install is not workign either... |
| 15:28.23 | ALBAS | jspiro, I feel better expressed when I can use some caps. |
| 15:28.26 | insidius | !tell insidius bill gates |
| 15:28.31 | jspiro | ALBAS: it annoys everyone else. |
| 15:28.43 | jspiro | insidius: instead please do /msg dpkg bill gates |
| 15:28.43 | ALBAS | Eulex, No, I am shouting to the heavens. |
| 15:28.54 | insidius | Ahh thank you jspiro |
| 15:29.04 | goron | I have lost all the icons in Evolution (I see red crosses). Is there some way to get them back? I already did apt-get --reinstall install evolution |
| 15:29.06 | jspiro | ALBAS: if you shout to the heavens enough I will kickrequest you. |
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| 15:29.16 | Adam_ | Oh I have a question about program installs |
| 15:29.24 | Adam_ | if I want to install a program from source |
| 15:29.29 | Adam_ | debian won't freak out on me will it |
| 15:29.32 | jspiro | Adam_: why from source? |
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| 15:29.36 | goron | Adam_: debian reference |
| 15:29.38 | stew | P4C0: /msg dpkg x11-common conflict |
| 15:29.40 | abrotman | !tell P4C0 about overwrite |
| 15:29.44 | abrotman | or that |
| 15:29.47 | Daedalus_ | amee2k, It looks like you juse enable it in the config file, though I don't have exim installed, so I can't verify this |
| 15:29.48 | Adam_ | well, like a game or something... like Quake. |
| 15:29.56 | Adam_ | those need to be installed from source don't they? |
| 15:30.03 | jspiro | Adam_: no. |
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| 15:30.25 | Adam_ | how does that work then? I'm confused. |
| 15:30.29 | jspiro | Adam_: almost everything open-source is in the Debian software repository. |
| 15:30.32 | insidius | You mean i could be playing quake right now? |
| 15:30.38 | insidius | Like right now? |
| 15:31.01 | Adam_ | yeah Quake 4, Doom III, and a couple other really good games have linux ports |
| 15:31.03 | Rinnt | Can anyone here install rsyslog with apt? |
| 15:31.09 | pipeline | Adam_: Tremulous , dawg. |
| 15:31.21 | insidius | heh i dont suppose i can play eq2 yet though heh |
| 15:31.33 | jspiro | WoW works on wine with a patch. |
| 15:31.35 | pipeline | Adam_: http://www.tremulous.net/ |
| 15:31.44 | Adam_ | ok :) |
| 15:31.49 | insidius | Hell i aint even had sound on this box for her last 6 months lol |
| 15:31.57 | jspiro | !sofixit |
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| 15:32.14 | insidius | Well i would if knew what was wrong |
| 15:32.16 | Eulex | Rinnt, from what I can see, there's nothing named rsyslog in debian |
| 15:32.19 | P4C0 | stew, abrotman: non of those are helping... I'm still getting the same |
| 15:32.27 | jspiro | insidius: you're in the right place to get help :) |
| 15:32.30 | Flav | Thanks !!!! |
| 15:32.45 | amee2k | Daedalus_: yea. config file. /me goes /etc and looks for "exim". too easy. this directory only contains some weird scripts with the word "DEBCONF" all over the place but no actual configuration... |
| 15:32.51 | stew | !tell P4C0 about x11-common conflict |
| 15:32.53 | abrotman | P4C0: stew told you the thing to try |
| 15:33.02 | insidius | I am pretty sure at one point it had something to with the sound using something that could only be run by root |
| 15:33.15 | insidius | And i always login as my username and then su if i need to |
| 15:33.24 | Daedalus_ | amee2k: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure exim? |
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| 15:33.26 | Rinnt | Eulex: thanks for checking... i dont think it's in teh repos for some reason |
| 15:33.37 | stew | insidius: adduser insidius audio |
| 15:33.41 | P4C0 | abrotman, I did, but it's not working, now I have dependencias all over the place... unmet dependencies I mean... |
| 15:33.50 | P4C0 | is there a nodep option or similar? |
| 15:33.53 | Eulex | Rinnt, maybe because nobody added it? ;P |
| 15:33.56 | abrotman | P4C0: paste the error somewhere |
| 15:33.57 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:33.57 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 15:34.01 | amee2k | Daedalus_: yep. says not found and dpkg-reconfigure exim4 does nothing |
| 15:34.21 | Rinnt | Eulex: lol good call... dang oh well =/ |
| 15:34.35 | stew | P4C0: what happens when you run "apt-get install xfree86-common- x11-common" ? |
| 15:34.43 | P4C0 | abrotman, I can't I don't have X... it's X what I'm trying to fix... also I don't have links or lynx and apt-get is not working ... no my other pc have no internet access... |
| 15:34.43 | pyroplasm | amee2k: the name is exim4-config |
| 15:34.51 | abrotman | you can paste with no X |
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| 15:35.22 | jspiro | P4C0: apt-get install gpm |
| 15:35.22 | amee2k | pyroplasm: ty :) |
| 15:35.22 | stew | !pastewithoutx |
| 15:35.22 | dpkg | i guess pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console like drag to select and middle click to insert the selection ; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m |
| 15:35.23 | valdyn | !rube goldber install |
| 15:35.26 | valdyn | !rube goldberd install |
| 15:35.28 | pyroplasm | amee2k: np :) |
| 15:35.30 | valdyn | !rube goldberg install |
| 15:35.30 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 15:35.40 | P4C0 | stew, umeet dependencies in kdepim-kio, kleopatra, kmail, knode, kopete, ksim, libkpimidentities1, libx11-6, quanta, xserver-common, xutils |
| 15:35.41 | valdyn | yay finally |
| 15:35.43 | Adam_ | so wait... that doesn't really answer my question... Doom III is available... how do I install it after I buy it? if not from source then how? |
| 15:35.55 | jspiro | valdyn: Ah! Try channel #as400. :) |
| 15:35.58 | abrotman | overwrite might be a better option ? |
| 15:36.12 | stew | P4C0: what does "apt-cache policy xutils" say for "Candidate:"? |
| 15:36.15 | P4C0 | stew, abrotman: this when wrong when updating... so you can imagine... |
| 15:36.16 | ALBAS | *Every* piece of Debian *Sarge* is completely tried, tested, and true. *Every* little component is *all-star* quality. |
| 15:36.18 | stoned | Adam_, happy penguin has a linux port of doom 3 |
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| 15:36.29 | ALBAS | It's a good feeling. |
| 15:36.32 | jspiro | 11:32 -!- WoodsDog [n=woodsdog@64.0.193.18] has joined #debian |
| 15:36.39 | pipeline | ALBAS: Well, even the parts that are broken are known-broken. NO SURPRISES. Ever. |
| 15:36.40 | valdyn | ALBAS: and a wrong one |
| 15:36.40 | abrotman | jspiro: yes ..we can see |
| 15:36.41 | jspiro | can you really have a zero in an IP address? |
| 15:36.43 | P4C0 | stew, Candidate: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 |
| 15:36.45 | ALBAS | pipeline, Right. |
| 15:36.47 | ALBAS | Absolutely. |
| 15:36.48 | abrotman | jspiro: yes you can |
| 15:36.51 | Maulkin | jspiro: Yup |
| 15:36.53 | Adam_ | I know, that's what I'm wondering... is it installable via the repositories? |
| 15:36.53 | valdyn | ALBAS: see /popcon, unused packages are not tested |
| 15:36.59 | jspiro | wasnt it broadcast or something? |
| 15:37.01 | pipeline | jspiro: Yes, the host part of the address *can* be zero, but it almost never is. |
| 15:37.01 | valdyn | ALBAS: see /msg dpkg popcon, unused packages are not tested |
| 15:37.13 | stew | P4C0: and and what does "apt-cache policy x11-common" say for Candidate:? |
| 15:37.40 | P4C0 | stew, Candidate: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 |
| 15:37.42 | pipeline | jspiro: No, technically, in some cases, it's not. Conventionally, a ".0" is used to refer to the whole subnet of a class C, but it doesn't have to be that way. And what if the subnet uses a really weird netmask? |
| 15:37.48 | ALBAS | Gentlemen. |
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| 15:37.55 | jspiro | pipeline: Berkeley broadcast or something? |
| 15:37.57 | abrotman | hey .. there are some ladies here! |
| 15:38.01 | marc7 | can anybody recommend another logging daemon if I wanted to get rid of klogd? |
| 15:38.03 | jspiro | !tell ALBAS about enter |
| 15:38.05 | ALBAS | I drank a cup of coffee that has left my head in a bit of a foggy daze. |
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| 15:38.17 | abrotman | ALBAS: perhaps .. go take a nap |
| 15:38.39 | jspiro | ALBAS: or go help out in #ubuntu instead. |
| 15:38.50 | stew | P4C0: try running "apt-get install xfree86-common- x11-common xutils" and see why it doesn't want to install xutils |
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| 15:39.22 | Eulex | hehe, wonder how long you'd last preaching debian in #ubuntu |
| 15:39.55 | P4C0 | xutils: Depends: libfs6 but it is not going to be installed, Conflicts xbase-clients (<6.8.2-4) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 is to be installed |
| 15:40.03 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:40.06 | marc7 | sorry, i'm looking to replace the syslog/klog combo. |
| 15:40.12 | abrotman | Eulex: or ##linux ? |
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| 15:40.23 | ALBAS | abrotman, No, I have business to do. |
| 15:40.27 | abrotman | so go do it |
| 15:40.28 | stew | P4C0: are you trying to mix stable and testing? |
| 15:40.30 | wcs | Hello, all. I'm having a little problem with trying to install openwebmail on stable. I need to have one of the scripts run as SETUID root, it works fine for normal users from the command line, but it won't function through apache2. Any clues? |
| 15:40.33 | ALBAS | abrotman, What do you suggest to get rid of the coffee effect? |
| 15:40.40 | Ronin | ALBAS: beer |
| 15:40.40 | stew | P4C0: does "stable" or "sarge" appear in your sources.list? |
| 15:40.45 | jspiro | Eulex: I'd bet about 4 microseconds :) |
| 15:40.45 | P4C0 | stew, i'm upgrading from sarge to etch |
| 15:40.47 | ALBAS | Ronin, Truly? |
| 15:40.51 | abrotman | ALBAS: beer |
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| 15:40.53 | P4C0 | stew, only etch |
| 15:40.56 | ALBAS | How shall beer work? |
| 15:41.00 | jspiro | ALBAS: sudo apt-get install beer |
| 15:41.01 | abrotman | drink 20 .. go to bed |
| 15:41.01 | cahoot | ALBAS: any beta-blocker |
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| 15:41.22 | ALBAS | cahoot, You equate it to adrenaline? What about cortisol? |
| 15:41.37 | abrotman | ALBAS: it doesn't matter. . it's not related to Debian |
| 15:41.43 | stew | P4C0: run "apt-cache policy xbase-clients", what repository does it say it's going to install 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 from? |
| 15:41.45 | jspiro | I feel like I am feeding trolls here. |
| 15:41.46 | ALBAS | Gentlemen may message me in private. |
| 15:41.54 | ALBAS | Let us keep the channel *on* topic. |
| 15:41.56 | cahoot | ALBAS: would probably accentuate |
| 15:42.02 | stew | P4C0: you either have a stable/sarge repository in your sources.list, or you haven't run apt-get update |
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| 15:42.28 | P4C0 | stew, I think I did |
| 15:42.31 | stew | P4C0: and it looks like you must have the security.debian.org line from sarge still, maybe |
| 15:42.35 | P4C0 | stew, VersionTable: |
| 15:42.37 | insidius | wow im finding some nifty little games using apt heh |
| 15:42.44 | insidius | takes me back to the days of dos |
| 15:42.49 | P4C0 | 500 ftp://ftp.ch.debian.org etch/main Packages |
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| 15:42.56 | simulcra | does debian sarge 3.1 r2 still use XFree86 or Xorg? |
| 15:43.01 | P4C0 | *** 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 0 |
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| 15:43.08 | P4C0 | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:43.10 | stew | simulcra: xfree86 |
| 15:43.15 | Eulex | simulcra, xfree86 4.3.0 |
| 15:43.17 | simulcra | why |
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| 15:43.23 | simulcra | why not Xorg? |
| 15:43.23 | abrotman | Eulex: 4.4 mostly |
| 15:43.25 | valdyn | simulcra: labed xfree86, is really xfree86 + patches and driver updates from xorg |
| 15:43.35 | stew | simulcra: becuase xorg wasn't yet ready when sarge released |
| 15:43.37 | simulcra | is it difficult to shift to Xorg from Xfree? |
| 15:43.37 | abrotman | simulcra: because sarge is stable .. it doesn't change |
| 15:43.38 | Eulex | abrotman, ah, changes backported? |
| 15:43.54 | P4C0 | I'll love to have xorg... is there's a way to trash xfree and get xorg, better |
| 15:43.56 | crazy_penguin | cya all later! |
| 15:43.56 | abrotman | Eulex: it was ilke 4.3.999999999999 or some crap .. basically .. the day before the license change |
| 15:44.06 | Eulex | abrotman, hehe :) |
| 15:44.11 | valdyn | P4C0: xorg has about no benefit for serious usage |
| 15:44.20 | simulcra | ah |
| 15:44.22 | simulcra | ok |
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| 15:44.39 | simulcra | so it's better to leave Xfree as it is? |
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| 15:44.43 | P4C0 | valdyn, have support for my intel driver... for example, that's a serious usage for me... |
| 15:44.45 | razor_edge | hi, i'm using debian 3.1 and want to install xorg from backports.org is this really difficult? I mean, can I install xorg without altering my configuration of Xfree86? So the i could choose between any of this X11 servers? |
| 15:44.45 | valdyn | simulcra: yes |
| 15:44.52 | abrotman | simulcra: if it works for you .. whyn ot ? |
| 15:44.58 | jspiro | razor_edge: why do you want a new xorg?? |
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| 15:45.08 | simulcra | valdyn ok thanks |
| 15:45.15 | valdyn | P4C0: yea, driver support is indeed the exception for those who need it |
| 15:45.19 | razor_edge | jspiro: to install then xgl and the composite manager for kde |
| 15:45.41 | simulcra | why would anyone shift to Xorg? i read alot about Xorg being better and such and such |
| 15:45.41 | azeem | razor_edge: you need more than the backport for that |
| 15:45.42 | P4C0 | but anyways, I'm stock here... |
| 15:45.57 | valdyn | simulcra: if you have hardware that doesnt run on XFree but Xorg |
| 15:46.09 | jspiro | simulcra: xfree86 became non-Free. |
| 15:46.17 | azeem | jspiro: no |
| 15:46.20 | razor_edge | azeem: what else do i need? |
| 15:46.20 | P4C0 | stew, no, I changed the security to etch as well |
| 15:46.25 | jspiro | azeem: no? |
| 15:46.28 | simulcra | ah... licensing changes |
| 15:46.31 | azeem | razor_edge: mesa from CVS HEAD for example |
| 15:46.37 | P4C0 | stew, anyways I rerun apt-get update now... what can I do now? |
| 15:46.43 | azeem | jspiro: it became GPL incompatible |
| 15:46.49 | abrotman | jspiro: the new license is GPL incompatible |
| 15:46.51 | simulcra | no. Xfree is still free but there are small things that conflicts with GPL i think |
| 15:46.51 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 15:46.56 | jspiro | azeem: i stand corrected |
| 15:47.04 | jspiro | simulcra: what azeem said. it is still Free. |
| 15:47.14 | abrotman | jspiro: so .. while it's free .. it can't really be used with any GNU/Linux distro |
| 15:47.17 | razor_edge | azeem: It doesnt work the libmesa-gl of backports.org? |
| 15:47.23 | azeem | razor_edge: no |
| 15:47.50 | razor_edge | azeem: why is that? |
| 15:47.57 | P4C0 | apt-get is totally jamed... what can I do!? |
| 15:48.00 | azeem | razor_edge: because nobody integrated that XGL stuff yet |
| 15:48.00 | valdyn | !XFree86 |
| 15:48.00 | dpkg | well, xfree86 is proof that world has gone mad, or a free open-source implementation of X11. http://www.xfree86.org/ or ask me about "install xf4" or "x.org", or something that moves so slowly, it doesn't feel like it's moved in years |
| 15:48.16 | azeem | razor_edge: and because nobody is insane enough to package mesa CVS for backports |
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| 15:48.28 | Eulex | simulcra, more accurately, its license contains things that conflicts with the debain free software guidelines (the dfsg), and is thus considered non-free to debian |
| 15:48.32 | jspiro | P4C0: just curious: are you on sarge? |
| 15:48.55 | kspath | !distract channel |
| 15:49.05 | simulcra | ok Eulex, thanks |
| 15:49.11 | P4C0 | jspiro, no, I'm on etch... at least... that what /etc/debian_version says |
| 15:49.12 | Eulex | *debian |
| 15:49.22 | jspiro | P4C0: why? |
| 15:49.32 | simulcra | so the issue is not *that* big to make Xfree users shift immediately to Xorg? |
| 15:49.37 | razor_edge | azeem: damn, debian turn out to be really crap... i am going to switch to something more from this century like opensuse or even gentoo |
| 15:49.39 | valdyn | simulcra: not at all |
| 15:49.46 | azeem | simulcra: XFree86 is basically unmaintained |
| 15:49.48 | valdyn | simulcra: and debians XFree86 is not affected |
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| 15:49.50 | azeem | (upstream) |
| 15:49.51 | simulcra | razor_edge, genntoo's great |
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| 15:50.00 | simulcra | ah ok |
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| 15:50.03 | azeem | razor_edge: feel free |
| 15:50.12 | simulcra | it's the new versions of Xfree that's affected |
| 15:50.14 | valdyn | simulcra: XFree86 NEW license is only in place starting at version 4.4, that is not in debian |
| 15:50.16 | jspiro | razor_edge: did something not work for you in debian? did you ask for help on IRC? |
| 15:50.16 | P4C0 | jspiro, because I need it... the why is not going to help... here I have a huge problem |
| 15:50.19 | kspath | razor_edge: bye |
| 15:50.27 | jspiro | P4C0: I recommend backports instead. |
| 15:50.39 | jspiro | P4C0: I guess though for now you'll have to fix it. |
| 15:50.47 | P4C0 | jspiro, !? man I can't even install vi... |
| 15:50.47 | stouset | Anyone know of a quick and dirty way to map the root directory in a tarball to another directory? |
| 15:50.52 | simulcra | thanks lots guys for clearing up alot of things, debian still rocks in my book |
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| 15:51.00 | pipeline | stouset: man tar :P |
| 15:51.04 | stouset | pipeline: Done. |
| 15:51.26 | jspiro | P4C0: that sucks. |
| 15:51.32 | lepton | stouset: you want to copy? files or dirs only? |
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| 15:51.50 | remote | hello |
| 15:51.50 | P4C0 | jspiro, yes but how?? the dpkg dependencias are totally jammed... so, what can I do?? reinstall everything and then try to update once again from sarge to etch like I did? and pray for it to don't lock again?? if this is failing now, will be keep feeling nomather wha |
| 15:52.02 | jspiro | P4C0: dunno |
| 15:52.13 | stouset | pipeline: Only thing I can see there is possibly extracting to stdout via -O, use sed to rewrite all instances of the root directory in it to the one I want, then pipe that into a tarpipe that creates the tar then extracts it. Nasty as hell. |
| 15:52.20 | remote | could someone recommend a strategy to resize my windows partition using something other than partition magic? |
| 15:52.29 | P4C0 | jspiro, I just can't beleve that there's a --nodependencias or, a command that I can remove osmething and it just do what I want... remove totally the xfree86... god |
| 15:52.36 | stouset | lepton: I have a tarball with, for example, dir1 as the base directory in the tarball. I want to extract it so that it extracts to dir2, rather than dir1 |
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| 15:53.01 | cahoot | remote: looked at bootITng? |
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| 15:53.24 | pipeline | P4C0: "--force-all --purge" will do that. But you probably don't want to do that. A dangerous, dangerous operation. |
| 15:53.35 | P4C0 | whay if I'm trying to *remove* xutils for example, it complains about unmeet dependencies with kmail.... |
| 15:53.41 | valdyn | P4C0: can you paste your precise error? |
| 15:53.43 | azeem | P4C0: run apt-get -f install |
| 15:53.48 | valdyn | P4C0: or the URL to that |
| 15:54.13 | P4C0 | how? I don't have X and I don't have links or lynx or similar... I can get anything out of that pc, is totally useless right now... |
| 15:54.19 | Zugschlus | amee2k: /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian |
| 15:54.21 | jspiro | !tell P4C0 about gpm |
| 15:54.23 | jspiro | !tell P4C0 about paste |
| 15:54.42 | azeem | P4C0: is it network-connected? |
| 15:54.48 | abrotman | or dump it to a text file .. then put it in #flood |
| 15:54.50 | P4C0 | jspiro, I'm in other pc... |
| 15:54.56 | P4C0 | azeem, yes it is... |
| 15:54.58 | abrotman | P4C0: there is that command .. but it's not good to use |
| 15:55.00 | jspiro | P4C0: so type it for us? |
| 15:55.26 | P4C0 | jspiro, yes I will what command do you want? |
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| 15:55.38 | jspiro | P4C0: what they told you |
| 15:55.53 | azeem | P4C0: then redirect the output to a file and copy that over the network |
| 15:55.58 | P4C0 | apt-get -f install? that one? |
| 15:55.59 | azeem | and then paste it from some other box |
| 15:56.02 | azeem | !paster |
| 15:56.02 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
| 15:56.13 | jspiro | P4C0: yes |
| 15:56.24 | P4C0 | azeem, humm ok, I will :p |
| 15:56.38 | lepton | stouset: so the -C option does not do what you want? |
| 15:58.05 | P4C0 | here it is: http://pastebin.com/739516 |
| 15:58.24 | stouset | lepton: That just untars the existing structure into a different extraction directory...doesn't change the base directory *inside the tarball itself*, best I can tell |
| 15:58.47 | P4C0 | my goal: get xorg... |
| 15:58.51 | azeem | stouset: what is a `base directory inside the tarball' in your book? |
| 15:59.01 | jspiro | P4C0: old xfree is usually fine. |
| 15:59.12 | jspiro | P4C0: if you have no X at all, though, pick xorg. |
| 15:59.22 | stouset | azeem: tar -czf base_directory.tar.gz base_directory |
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| 15:59.47 | P4C0 | jspiro, drivers, I need the xorg drivers... but now the problem is that I can not install anything... apt-get dpkg etc are totally jammed |
| 15:59.56 | azeem | stouset: I don't think that information is getting stored |
| 16:00.03 | jspiro | P4C0: that sucks. |
| 16:00.03 | P4C0 | jspiro, http://pastebin.com/739516 |
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| 16:00.15 | stouset | azeem: It is. When you untar it, it creates base_directory and all the substructure underneath it |
| 16:00.20 | Eulex | P4C0, have you done a full dist-upgrade to etch? |
| 16:00.23 | P4C0 | jspiro, you don't have to tell me that, belive me, I know... |
| 16:00.25 | lepton | stouset: so extract then mv or cp -ax or rsync -ax |
| 16:00.33 | castro2006 | i am new to debian OS , i installed GNOME desktop but i canot find how to make it my default desktop |
| 16:00.41 | azeem | stouset: right, but how does it know you didn't do `tar -czf base_directory.tar.gz base_directory/other_base_directory'? |
| 16:00.47 | stouset | lepton: The directory will already exist |
| 16:01.09 | stouset | azeem: In that case, it will use other_base_directory as the base |
| 16:01.17 | P4C0 | Eulex, yes, yesterday, and it seems to be ok... today I just wanted to install amarok... and here I am... |
| 16:01.25 | azeem | stouset: and it strips base_directory? |
| 16:01.36 | Eulex | P4C0, you could force-remove xfree86-common with dpkg and then install x11-common |
| 16:01.39 | P4C0 | Eulex, it all started with apt-get install amarok... |
| 16:01.42 | P4C0 | Eulex, how?? |
| 16:01.42 | castro2006 | can someone guide me where to start |
| 16:01.49 | stouset | azeem: Yes |
| 16:02.00 | stew | P4C0: getting rid of all of your sarge sources, running apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade should be all you need to do |
| 16:02.07 | Eulex | P4C0, man dpkg, I don't remember the exact syntax, and now I gotta go. |
| 16:02.18 | P4C0 | stew, I will |
| 16:02.19 | lepton | stouset: hmm. I extract to /x/y/z/dir1. I can mkdir /a/b/dir2, then cp -a everything from dir1 to dir2 |
| 16:02.21 | stouset | azeem: For various reasons, we can't change the directory name that gets tarballed up, and we can't untar it and mv, because that would overwrite another existing directory. Facets beyond my control. |
| 16:02.23 | thingfish | castro2006: is some other desktop environment starting instead of gnome, or is it that you get no desktop at all? |
| 16:02.37 | stouset | lepton: That's what I'm leaning towards now, but I was hoping there was a way builtin to tar. |
| 16:02.42 | stew | P4C0: the fact that you are getting " Conflicts xbase-clients (<6.8.2-4) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 is to be installed" means you still have sarge sources around |
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| 16:02.48 | P4C0 | stew, http://pastebin.com/739521 |
| 16:02.51 | lepton | stouset: life is short |
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| 16:02.51 | castro2006 | i have default debian X server installed |
| 16:03.06 | stouset | lepton: Without, of course, extracting to stdout and doing a sed -e "s/base_dir/dir2/" or something equally nasty :) |
| 16:03.07 | jspiro | castro2006: twm? kde? |
| 16:03.12 | stouset | lepton: True enough. Thanks. |
| 16:03.15 | jspiro | stouset: IIRC someone wrote a Ruby script to do what you need. |
| 16:03.17 | thingfish | castro2006: maybe you're needing gdm. |
| 16:03.24 | castro2006 | twm i think |
| 16:03.26 | jspiro | stouset: I don't know what its called though. :( |
| 16:03.28 | P4C0 | stew, http://pastebin.com/739522 |
| 16:03.33 | jspiro | castro2006: what thingfish said |
| 16:03.40 | stew | P4C0: yeah quanta-data is still the sarge version, you need to dist-upgrade |
| 16:03.45 | stouset | jspiro: Ah, neat. I'll google it. |
| 16:04.05 | P4C0 | stew, apt-get -f dist-upgrade? |
| 16:04.10 | jspiro | stouset: it is installable by apt-get install gdm |
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| 16:04.22 | castro2006 | i installed it through synaptec , i choosed GNOME |
| 16:04.35 | jspiro | castro2006: today? |
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| 16:04.40 | castro2006 | ye s |
| 16:04.42 | thingfish | castro2006: so go back to synaptic and search for gdm and install it. |
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| 16:04.53 | castro2006 | ok i will |
| 16:05.14 | jspiro | castro2006: if gdm is installed, reboot your computer and the gdm screen will appear. |
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| 16:05.45 | P4C0 | stew, apt-get -f dist-upgrade seems to be working... not sure... let's see at least I'm downloading files... that's something... let see, do you think the install should go ok? |
| 16:05.46 | castro2006 | but i am using VMWARE ? |
| 16:05.59 | castro2006 | it is the same ? |
| 16:06.15 | Ronin | castro2006: then reboot the vmware install of the distro |
| 16:06.24 | Ronin | but why run in vmware anyhow? |
| 16:06.26 | castro2006 | ok |
| 16:06.49 | castro2006 | i found gdm and gdm-themes ? which one |
| 16:06.59 | thingfish | at least gdm |
| 16:07.07 | Ronin | well seeing as one is nammed themes... |
| 16:07.07 | thingfish | the other is just fun stuff |
| 16:07.09 | jspiro | castro2006: install gdm then press Control-Alt-Insert to reboot VMWare immediately. |
| 16:07.10 | thingfish | heh |
| 16:07.18 | castro2006 | ok |
| 16:07.41 | jspiro | castro2006: Control-Alt-Insert will not work when X Window is running though. |
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| 16:07.49 | castro2006 | it is installed i will restart my vmware |
| 16:07.52 | fwest | i wonder if i can hot dock my laptop :S |
| 16:08.12 | jspiro | fwest: does swsusp already work for you? |
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| 16:08.37 | stew | P4C0: sounds good to me |
| 16:08.51 | P4C0 | stew, thanks for all, gtg, c u |
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| 16:10.58 | mic_p | Hi to all, just a qestion about the Release.gpg. Someone can help me? |
| 16:11.06 | jspiro | !justask |
| 16:11.13 | jspiro | the bot is slow. |
| 16:11.15 | simonrvn | @ask |
| 16:11.17 | ravenbird | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. It's a bit redundant and it makes some folks grumpy. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 16:11.35 | jspiro | !justask is If you don't ask your question, we can't answer it. :) |
| 16:11.36 | dpkg | jspiro: okay |
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| 16:12.05 | abrotman | !no just ask is <reply> see ask |
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| 16:12.05 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 16:12.08 | abrotman | erm |
| 16:12.11 | abrotman | !no justask is <reply> see ask |
| 16:12.11 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 16:12.27 | jspiro | !justask |
| 16:12.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:12.34 | jspiro | a bit long. |
| 16:12.39 | abrotman | it's better that way |
| 16:12.47 | jspiro | yeah. |
| 16:12.56 | jspiro | it *is* informative. |
| 16:12.56 | abrotman | you'll get "Anyone use blah?" |
| 16:13.04 | abrotman | otherwise i mean |
| 16:13.10 | pngwn | so is just ask ;) |
| 16:13.17 | jspiro | not as much. |
| 16:13.31 | pngwn | just ask |
| 16:13.36 | jspiro | !smart-questions page has a lot of examples of really bad questions like what abrotman described. |
| 16:13.39 | pngwn | pretty effn informative |
| 16:13.58 | jspiro | !smart-questions |
| 16:14.15 | Maulkin | Please, message the bots whilst training them. |
| 16:14.19 | abrotman | jspiro: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:14.46 | abrotman | jspiro: oh .. nevermind .. i undersatnd |
| 16:14.46 | jspiro | abrotman: i was trying to make a point and retrieve a bot info at the same time. |
| 16:14.54 | abrotman | you can't .. but ok .. i get it |
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| 16:15.36 | jspiro | !smart-questions is a guide that will help you get the most out of IRC. Why don't you check it out? http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 16:15.36 | dpkg | jspiro: okay |
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| 16:15.45 | mic_p | I have my internal debian mirror and I want to create my Packages.gpg, so I create it with gpg --output Release.gpg -ba Release, modify my sources list to point to it, but now on apt-.get update, I receive "W: GPG error: file: testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:" |
| 16:15.59 | jspiro | Maulkin: if i do not train the bot in public, how will people know the factoid is there? :) |
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| 16:16.27 | abrotman | jspiro: how about .. check the bot |
| 16:16.32 | Maulkin | jspiro: Through use or the factoid db? :) |
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| 16:16.50 | jspiro | abrotman: what? |
| 16:16.53 | Maulkin | mic_p: gpg --export -a <keyid> | apt-get add - |
| 16:16.53 | jspiro | Maulkin: trye |
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| 16:16.55 | jspiro | *true |
| 16:16.56 | abrotman | jspiro: many of those items are already there .. as was taht |
| 16:16.59 | abrotman | !smart-questions |
| 16:16.59 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 16:17.03 | abrotman | see :) |
| 16:17.18 | jspiro | oh. doesn't the bot require "is also" in such a case? |
| 16:17.28 | abrotman | it's just fine |
| 16:18.08 | jspiro | anyway I like my description better, though maybe I should point to smart-questions.html#before instead. |
| 16:18.09 | mic_p | Mulkin: E: Invalid operation add. |
| 16:18.17 | jspiro | mic_p: install |
| 16:18.23 | jspiro | oops, no |
| 16:18.24 | abrotman | apt-key add .. i think is what he meant |
| 16:18.27 | abrotman | !apt-key 123 |
| 16:18.27 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 123 ; gpg --export 123 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 16:18.31 | abrotman | yeah .. like that |
| 16:18.41 | Maulkin | oops, yeah |
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| 16:18.47 | JoyFM | hi |
| 16:18.52 | Maulkin | apt-key not apt-get |
| 16:19.05 | stew | abrotman: 123 isn't a valid keyid though! |
| 16:19.05 | JoyFM | how do i use a folder for bins? |
| 16:19.23 | jspiro | !apt-key 2006 |
| 16:19.23 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2006 ; gpg --export 2006 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 16:19.32 | JoyFM | (like /usr/bin -> so that i can tipe the name of the binary and it will start) |
| 16:19.38 | jspiro | JoyFM: why? |
| 16:19.44 | abrotman | stew: abc123 ? |
| 16:19.50 | Maulkin | JoyFM: You set it in you $PATH environment variable |
| 16:19.50 | jspiro | JoyFM: are you using software which is not in apt?? |
| 16:19.57 | JoyFM | yes |
| 16:20.02 | abrotman | eh .. why is that factoid messed up ? |
| 16:20.04 | jspiro | JoyFM: ah. then what Maulkin said. |
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| 16:20.10 | abrotman | oh .. it's not |
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| 16:20.15 | zignig | FNORD! |
| 16:20.21 | jspiro | plugh |
| 16:20.22 | JoyFM | Maulkin, thx |
| 16:20.36 | mic_p | Maulkin: Yes, not it work! But now it say me: Failed to fetch file:///home/debian/debian/dists/testing/Release No MD5Sum entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/lists/_XXX |
| 16:20.40 | Maulkin | JoyFM: export $PATH=$PATH:/path/to/folder |
| 16:20.54 | JoyFM | yes i see thank you very much |
| 16:21.00 | Maulkin | mic_p: I'd suggest having a look at minidinstall. It'll do this stuff for you |
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| 16:21.12 | jspiro | Maulkin: isnt there 1 too many $ sign there? |
| 16:21.20 | Maulkin | jspiro: Possibly |
| 16:21.25 | stew | definately |
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| 16:21.39 | Maulkin | Damn |
| 16:21.39 | jspiro | JoyFM: export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/folder |
| 16:21.39 | Maulkin | That's the one |
| 16:21.52 | zignig | i have an package (mailman) that won't upgrade , it installs and then is still marked as not upgraded, how do I force it to be upgraded? |
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| 16:22.18 | serkon | Hello. I'm trying apt-get install libsasl2-modules and it says "libsasl2-modules: Depends: libsasl2 (= 2.1.19-1.5sarge1) but 2.1.19-1.9 is to be installed". What can i do? |
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| 16:22.28 | stew | zignig: tries "apt-get -f install" or "dpkg --configure -a" ? |
| 16:22.36 | toshiro | is there a way to know all the packets installed with apt-get ? |
| 16:22.39 | Maulkin | serkon: Try 'apt-get update' |
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| 16:22.52 | mic_p | Maulkin: I'll try it. Thanks |
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| 16:23.04 | Maulkin | toshiro: Not with apt-get, but you can get a list of packages installed on the system with 'dpkg -l' |
| 16:23.07 | serkon | Maulkin Already tried, nothing changed |
| 16:23.14 | toshiro | Maulkin, thanks |
| 16:23.30 | wimpies | I am unable to record sound when I record from my TV card and I am running out of ideas |
| 16:23.34 | zignig | stew: tried both, I even tried un-installing and re-installing, no dice. |
| 16:23.35 | myren | how do i flag a partition to be fsck'd next boot? |
| 16:23.36 | wimpies | anybody here that can help ? |
| 16:23.39 | stew | serkon: 2.1.19-1.9 doesn't appear to be in debian. do you have non-debian repositories in your sources.list? |
| 16:23.41 | myren | my ext3 is going fishing on me |
| 16:23.53 | stew | zignig: what is making you say it is not installed? |
| 16:23.57 | Maulkin | serkon: then do 'apt-get install libsasl2-modules libsasl2' |
| 16:24.13 | abrotman | myren: touch /forcefsck |
| 16:24.19 | myren | cute, ok |
| 16:24.25 | zignig | stew: it is installed..... ; when I do an 'apt-get upgrade' it upgrades it _again_ , every time. |
| 16:24.27 | cplx | whats the util to see all the processes that start at startup like ntsysv etc.. |
| 16:24.30 | myren | ohh ironic |
| 16:24.36 | myren | touch: cannot touch `/forcefsck': Read-only file system |
| 16:24.37 | Maulkin | wimpies: Just ask your question please |
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| 16:24.48 | myren | for some reason my fs went RO, even though mount still says rw |
| 16:25.03 | serkon | stew Ah. Yes, that should be the problem. Thank you |
| 16:25.13 | Maulkin | cplx: "ls /etc/init.d/"? |
| 16:25.15 | zignig | myren: mount -o remount,rw <path> |
| 16:25.18 | wimpies | maulkin : I just upgraded to 2.6.15 from 2.6.12 |
| 16:25.28 | wimpies | and i have a script that uses mencoder to record from my TV card |
| 16:25.31 | cplx | Maakuth: no.. its a utility.. shows all the progs that start at startup. |
| 16:25.35 | wimpies | before it ran just find (audio + video_ |
| 16:25.36 | stew | zignig: what are the first two letters returned from "dpkg -l mailman | tail -1" ? what does "apt-cache policy mailman" say for Installed: and Candidate:? |
| 16:25.38 | jelly | myren: it detected errors and was mounted with errors=remount-ro option. That's normal. DONT do remount,rw |
| 16:25.41 | wimpies | but now it only records video |
| 16:25.46 | JoyFM | bash: export: `/usr//bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games=/usr//bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/home/johannes/winecvs/bin': not a valid identifier |
| 16:25.49 | jelly | zignig: that's a BAD advice. |
| 16:25.56 | wimpies | I can hear the audio of the TV card but am not able to make mencoder put that audio in to the |
| 16:26.00 | wimpies | recorded video file. |
| 16:26.10 | myren | jelly: how do i get the thing to fsck properly then next boot? |
| 16:26.15 | myren | if i cant touch /forcefsck |
| 16:26.17 | wimpies | AFAIK the mixer switches are OK |
| 16:26.20 | myren | because the fs is ro |
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| 16:26.35 | jelly | myren: it will fsck when mount sees it has errors. |
| 16:26.43 | wimpies | so the problem I have is why can i Hear the tV audio al right but cannot record from it |
| 16:26.47 | stew | myren: why not just fsck it now? |
| 16:26.47 | zignig | stew: ii mailman 2.1.8-1 Powerful, web-based mailing list manager |
| 16:26.58 | wimpies | I have also tried to record from my microphone, that does not work either |
| 16:27.08 | wimpies | however SKYPE is able to use it (i tried the echo test) |
| 16:27.17 | cplx | Anyone know? |
| 16:27.20 | wimpies | and also I hear the microphone on my speakrs |
| 16:27.28 | wimpies | so what might be wrong ? |
| 16:27.28 | cplx | whats the util to see all the processes that start at startup like ntsysv etc.. |
| 16:27.31 | zignig | jelly: TRUE , but he can touch the /forcefsck file.... |
| 16:27.45 | zignig | jelly: best just to dismount and fsck the drive. |
| 16:27.48 | myren | stew: ooohh yeah, its ro, i can fsck it |
| 16:27.51 | myren | Thanks! |
| 16:28.04 | ALBAS | I ask that, as a temporary workaround |
| 16:28.16 | ALBAS | I ask, as a temporary workaround, that |
| 16:28.23 | myren | i hope this fsck.ext2 knows what its doing, i certainly dont |
| 16:28.28 | ALBAS | Which is better grammar? |
| 16:28.56 | blondie | ALBAS: either/both |
| 16:28.59 | Maulkin | ALBAS: The full sentance would give context. |
| 16:29.29 | Maulkin | ALBAS: However, it's more likley to be the second |
| 16:29.38 | jelly | zignig: I wouldn't DARE touch an inode on a bad fs, would you? |
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| 16:30.06 | jelly | myren, zignig: umount + fsck good, yes. |
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| 16:30.12 | zignig | jelly: no infact I wouldn't , an offline fsck is prolly. a good idea. |
| 16:30.14 | ALBAS | Therefore, I ask that, as a temporary workaround, a modest increase be added to the.... |
| 16:30.33 | zignig | jelly: yep. |
| 16:30.52 | cplx | whats the util to see all the processes that start at startup like ntsysv etc.. |
| 16:30.52 | zignig | Maulkin: yes , go home drink beer. good idea. |
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| 16:31.02 | zignig | cplx: rcconf |
| 16:31.08 | tuv | is the M (installed autmatically) package flag specific to aptitude? can't apt-get support it? |
| 16:31.10 | Maulkin | ALBAS: Therefore I ask, as a temporary workaround, that a modest increase be added to the... |
| 16:31.17 | mmm | what would you choose between dovecot/courier/cyrus for incoming messages? |
| 16:31.23 | Maulkin | ALBAS: No comma after Therefore |
| 16:31.47 | tuv | mmm, i would go with dovecot |
| 16:31.51 | zignig | mmm: dovecot works for me |
| 16:31.52 | cplx | zignig: i mean like tksysv, etc |
| 16:31.54 | Maulkin | Home. |
| 16:31.56 | Maulkin | Laters |
| 16:32.13 | zignig | cplx: don't know it. |
| 16:32.14 | omry | on an smp system, how can I tell what cpu each process is using? |
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| 16:33.05 | zignig | cplx: what does it do ? |
| 16:33.13 | ALBAS | Maulkin, Thank you. I like that better as well. |
| 16:33.34 | cplx | zignig: just a little util made in whiptail or something.. shows a list of shit installed on ur box.. and u can choose wether its started at bootup or not.. |
| 16:33.53 | zignig | cplx: yep , that would be rcconf. |
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| 16:35.54 | quitte_ | im still having trouble with xen. i cannot start xend |
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| 16:36.15 | quitte_ | this is the error i get /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/xen/xend/server/SrvDir.py:3: DeprecationWarning: twisted.protocols.http has moved to twisted.web.http. See http://twistedmatrix.com/projects/web. from twisted.protocols import http |
| 16:36.34 | cplx | zignig: no rcconf on here.. |
| 16:36.38 | TML | Does start-stop-daemon chmod the file passed in as --pidfile? |
| 16:36.49 | TML | The source is sort of twisty... |
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| 16:41.02 | semboy | can someone help me -step by step- HOWTO add java to a path |
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| 16:42.20 | quitte_ | semboy: are you using sid? |
| 16:42.24 | quitte_ | err etch? |
| 16:42.41 | stew | semboy: /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:42.58 | mmm | why i've no sendmail.cf in my debian? |
| 16:43.17 | quitte_ | mmm: because debian uses exim as its mta by default |
| 16:43.20 | [machine] | mmm: you have installed sendmail? |
| 16:43.20 | kspath | mmm: no sendmail installed? |
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| 16:43.29 | mmm | oh |
| 16:43.33 | kspath | my |
| 16:43.35 | mmm | is exim better than sendmail? |
| 16:43.42 | stew | mmm: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" say? |
| 16:43.43 | quitte_ | !better |
| 16:43.43 | dpkg | better is, like, a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 16:43.43 | kspath | mmm: Is it? |
| 16:44.08 | mmm | postfix: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 16:44.12 | kspath | mmm: If you have to ask that question than exim or postfix might be better for you. |
| 16:44.30 | kspath | mmm: ask #postfix |
| 16:44.33 | [machine] | mmm: you've got postfix installed |
| 16:44.34 | cahoot | skewed logic |
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| 16:44.53 | stew | mmm: so you are running postfix, not exim or sendmail. postfix a fine alternative. if you are more comfortable with sendmail, apt-get install sendmail |
| 16:45.04 | stew | kspath: what would he ask #postfix? where his sendmail.cf is? |
| 16:45.07 | mmm | i'll install sendmail, thx |
| 16:45.30 | kspath | stew: He was pointing out a /usr/sbin/sendmail which is likely going to be postfix part. |
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| 16:45.48 | kspath | stew: They will be expert on their sendmail emulation. |
| 16:46.18 | stew | kspath: if he asked #postfix where his sendmail.cf was, he would be ridiculed |
| 16:46.34 | kspath | stew: Did you not follow the text? |
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| 16:46.51 | stew | kspath: which part do you think i missed? |
| 16:47.02 | kspath | stew: "< mmm> postfix: /usr/sbin/sendmail" |
| 16:47.38 | kspath | stew: That was my assumption that there was not intent to talk to a nickname postfix. |
| 16:47.41 | RetroJ | hi, I'm trying to `apt-get install libxrender-dev' from the stable branch but I get this error: `libxrender-dev: Depends: libxrender1 (= 0.8.3-7) but 1:0.9.0.2-1 is to be installed' Is there anything I can do about this? |
| 16:47.42 | stew | kspath: right, that's where he was answering my question which was basically, "which mta is installed" |
| 16:48.16 | azeem | I don't think #postfix welcome people who are not sure which MTA they run |
| 16:48.31 | kspath | omg |
| 16:48.36 | mmm | what is MTA? |
| 16:48.41 | stew | kspath: his question was "where is my sendmail.cf" you sending him to #postfix was not good advice |
| 16:48.44 | stew | !MTA |
| 16:48.44 | dpkg | i guess mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim4, postfix, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 16:48.51 | mmm | ok |
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| 16:49.13 | meriad | lol drop piss off |
| 16:49.29 | azeem | meriad: is he spamming on join? |
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| 16:49.52 | raf256 | "ubuntu" is an african word for "i don't know how to configure a Debian" |
| 16:50.01 | azeem | raf256: please cut that out |
| 16:50.11 | raf256 | azeem: ? |
| 16:50.18 | meriad | abrotman- haha thats hillarious |
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| 16:53.26 | kitchen | if I wanted to remove all installed packages from a particular repository, how would I go about that |
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| 16:53.56 | valdyn | kitchen: why would you do that? |
| 16:54.24 | kitchen | because I'm switching from one e17 repo to another and they aren't playing nice with slight differences in packaging |
| 16:54.36 | kitchen | == conflicts |
| 16:54.39 | spldart | Is it reasonable for me to expect to be able to set up TV functionality with (fast machine, kernel 2.6.8-3, agpgart enabled, latest fglrx loaded, ATI 9600 Pro, X 6.9, gnome) and if so what would be a good set of packages to make it happen? |
| 16:55.01 | valdyn | kitchen: try guessing, this is hard to impossible to do entirely right |
| 16:55.13 | valdyn | kitchen: as packages dont 'know' where they come from |
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| 16:55.40 | valdyn | spldart: which TV hardware do you have? |
| 16:55.42 | kitchen | no apt-magic --list-from $host |
| 16:55.47 | kitchen | amazing |
| 16:55.50 | mmm | #####DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE! Only edit the source .mc file. |
| 16:56.04 | mmm | i should not edit sendmail.cf but sendmail.mc ? |
| 16:56.07 | spldart | TV hardware? My vid card? |
| 16:56.13 | kitchen | mmm correct |
| 16:56.14 | spldart | AIW |
| 16:56.17 | mmm | ok |
| 16:56.45 | kitchen | top of sendmail.mc should have regen instructions |
| 16:56.49 | kitchen | at least mine did |
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| 16:56.51 | valdyn | spldart: TV is broadcast thru air or cable, PCs cant just use that without tv hardware of some kind |
| 16:57.07 | poli | Hello! Anyone using cryptsetup (dm-crypt) has managed to get keys from /dev/random using /etc/crypttab and avoid being asked by the key on boot time? |
| 16:57.13 | valdyn | spldart: or do you just mean that you want ot watch dvds? |
| 16:57.16 | spldart | ATI AIW has svideo composite and cable ready tuner |
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| 16:57.41 | xomhau | hi all |
| 16:57.43 | valdyn | spldart: just need 'tvtime' then |
| 16:57.59 | spldart | although the tuner on the card isn't important as finding a way to get it to accept svideo and audio |
| 16:58.03 | formorer | poli: tmp /dev/hda5 /dev/random tmp |
| 16:58.06 | spldart | I use a digital cable tuner box |
| 16:58.08 | formorer | poli: something like that? |
| 16:58.10 | xomhau | what happen if i got many lines with command dmesg : APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 16:58.14 | spldart | any pitfalls to look out for in using tvtime? |
| 16:58.27 | poli | formorer: Yes! But cswap /dev/mapper/Main_Livia_Storage-SWAP /dev/random swap |
| 16:58.37 | poli | Still asks for a key in boot time |
| 16:58.37 | spldart | Or does tvtime just install and go? |
| 16:58.40 | valdyn | spldart: tvtime is simple, the 'hard' part comes below that |
| 16:58.52 | valdyn | spldart: and that is hardware drivers |
| 16:59.12 | abrotman | meriad? |
| 16:59.17 | spldart | well. drivers are in and running as my 2930 fps glxgears seems to imply |
| 16:59.33 | vasundhar | can any one help me with wvdial ? I need to dial without root privilages! |
| 16:59.37 | valdyn | spldart: no, that does not imply that your framegrabber device is supported |
| 16:59.43 | poli | formorer: It doesnt seem to obey the key input from /dev/random (I am not sure if that might be a problem with reading /dev) |
| 16:59.45 | valdyn | spldart: /dev/videoX |
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| 17:00.10 | spldart | I don't understand... I need to check for /dev/videoX? |
| 17:00.11 | formorer | poli: maybe, here it don't asks for swap |
| 17:00.30 | poli | formorer: I have a tmp line just as yours and still doesnt work :( |
| 17:00.45 | valdyn | spldart: the fact that you seem to have both, gfx card and some kind of framegrabber on the same card doesnt change that its really 2 seperate devices |
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| 17:00.54 | poli | formorer: /etc/init.d/cryptdisks insists in asking for the key for every device |
| 17:00.57 | spldart | OH! |
| 17:01.15 | spldart | so I need a frame grabber module loaded? |
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| 17:01.51 | mmm | how to check the chkconfig list? |
| 17:02.06 | formorer | poli: hm |
| 17:02.19 | valdyn | spldart: read up on that on ATI's documentation, probably, or gatos.sourceforge.net |
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| 17:02.43 | spldart | ah.... I did load gatos... I re review the ati doc's... thanks |
| 17:02.44 | mmm | where to see the list of services that get loaded on bootime on sarge? |
| 17:03.06 | formorer | ls -l /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 17:03.11 | meriad | abrotman- after we isntalled this product on a second server and nothing worked (totally clean machine) he still persisted to tell us it was us and thast hes doen 8-10hrs of support at no charge, and im like uhh ya and you'll do 20 more until this works, WE paid YOU good money for a WORKING product that has NEVER worked and you have the gull to tell us its gonna cost us another 1000 dollars because ioncubes loader doesnt decrypt your files properly |
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| 17:03.20 | meriad | abrotman- he sent me like a 3 page message |
| 17:03.22 | meriad | abrotman- hes a moron |
| 17:03.34 | abrotman | meriad: hehe .. so .. time for a new PHP coder! |
| 17:03.38 | poli | formorer: And it doesnt make the mkswap in the swap entries... I guess the script might be screwed up |
| 17:03.41 | valdyn | spldart: tvtime will just work if your /dev/videoX works |
| 17:03.43 | meriad | abrotman- hes pathetic |
| 17:03.48 | formorer | poli: sounds so |
| 17:03.55 | meriad | abrotman- he says because it runs the decrypted file spropelry that means it works which is entirely wrong |
| 17:03.56 | abrotman | meriad: have you tried it on a machine with php5 ? |
| 17:04.01 | meriad | abrotman- no |
| 17:04.04 | StyXman | hi all. etch's ppp doc says «Do not forget to remove the obsolete script /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot», but the package pppoe provides ppp_on_boot.dsl. should I remove that? |
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| 17:04.11 | meriad | abrotman- and i highly doubt that would make a difference we've already upgraded it twice |
| 17:04.13 | abrotman | meriad: i wonder if it would change anything ... |
| 17:04.22 | abrotman | meriad: see .. i was right! |
| 17:04.24 | meriad | abrotman- it might, but he blames the ionloader |
| 17:04.31 | meriad | abrotman- yse, very much soo and hes blaming us |
| 17:04.35 | meriad | abrotman- good salesman |
| 17:04.35 | meriad | hahah |
| 17:04.42 | abrotman | meriad: something like that .. |
| 17:04.55 | meriad | hes coming here at 11:30 |
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| 17:04.58 | meriad | and im goign to bitch at him |
| 17:04.59 | meriad | BIG time |
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| 17:06.04 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:06.13 | abrotman | meriad: what distro did he develop on ? |
| 17:06.15 | stoned | footlong roastbeef, yummmy |
| 17:06.24 | ekkikrist | :O |
| 17:06.39 | spldart | >valdyn.... If I remember right /dev/Video anything didn't exist when I reboot to windows so I must be missing a frame grabber or module or something |
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| 17:07.27 | valdyn | spldart: yea |
| 17:08.02 | spldart | hrm |
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| 17:08.18 | valdyn | spldart: cat /proc/devices should contain video4linux even if the device node is for some reason missing |
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| 17:09.09 | kspath | !research |
| 17:09.09 | dpkg | methinks research is what the internet is a tool for... the more you can use it (search the web or databases, find applicable reading material, reading that material, looking in there for references to others), the more independent you will be. Ask me about sicco and cooperation in asking for help. |
| 17:09.20 | valdyn | spldart: that gatos module is called v4l2, i dont know if gatos really supports your card |
| 17:09.40 | spldart | I didn't think so but tried it anyway... no joy |
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| 17:10.36 | snickel1650 | how do I change the default fonts for GTK? |
| 17:10.54 | qweo | snickel1650: edit gtkrc file |
| 17:10.55 | ic3man05 | .gtkrc or gtk theme switcher |
| 17:10.58 | stew | snickel1650: use switch2 (or switch fro gtk) |
| 17:11.05 | stew | for gtk1 that is |
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| 17:12.09 | snickel1650 | I went to usr/share/themes |
| 17:12.15 | snickel1650 | gtk 2.0 |
| 17:12.23 | qweo | snickel1650: /etc/gtk |
| 17:12.31 | qweo | or ~/.gtkrc |
| 17:12.33 | snickel1650 | ah thanks |
| 17:13.21 | niktaris | shouldn't expertgui start the new debian installer on a netinst cdrom (etch)? |
| 17:14.36 | snickel1650 | I've got a lot of gtkrc files.. how do I know which one to edit |
| 17:15.30 | qweo | snickel1650: locale |
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| 17:17.42 | snickel1650 | it's all en_US, but which iso standard do I use? they're all listed 8859 - 13/14/15/2/3/5/7/9 |
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| 17:18.44 | qweo | snickel1650: hm...I don't know.I using ru locale (ru_RU.KOI8-R),so i use /etc/gtk/gtkrc.ru :) |
| 17:19.12 | DebLin41 | Please, who can help me with Asterisk. ??? Please |
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| 17:19.30 | cshaman | Hello. |
| 17:19.31 | kspath | DebLin41: #asterisk ? |
| 17:19.32 | slav0nic | aptitude install blabla print many info (all not updated packages ) can i disable this? |
| 17:19.46 | kspath | DebLin41: apt-cache search asterisk |
| 17:20.03 | cshaman | How can I configure Aterm so that when other programs call Aterm, Aterm will keep the settings I specified in ~/.Xdefaults? |
| 17:20.36 | DebLin41 | no i have asterisk already installed but have anyone answer for my question ? |
| 17:20.41 | cshaman | When I run Aterm from my WM menu, it uses the setting I specify but when I "Open a new window" in Lynx, for instance, it's the default white background etc. |
| 17:21.10 | DebLin41 | How many concurrent calls can handle asterisk on 225MHz machine with 128MB of RAM ???? |
| 17:21.24 | formorer | depends on the codec |
| 17:21.26 | formorer | not much |
| 17:21.32 | formorer | I moved from such a machine |
| 17:21.46 | formorer | I had troubles with 3-4 calls |
| 17:21.55 | formorer | they began to jitter |
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| 17:22.14 | obscuresoul | hi |
| 17:22.15 | DebLin41 | copdec of audio files or codec with communicates asterisk with network ? |
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| 17:22.28 | blondie | DebLin41: english please |
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| 17:23.12 | formorer | DebLin41: depends on what you are doing |
| 17:23.26 | formorer | DebLin41: generally: both |
| 17:23.33 | DebLin41 | -> blondie, i'm sorry my english isn't good but i need solutiuon not spelling lesson from english |
| 17:23.40 | obscuresoul | how can i mount an usb pen? |
| 17:23.42 | formorer | DebLin41: getting the audio files in a native codec helps |
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| 17:23.51 | ic3man05 | cshaman, I think lynx is independent from aterm, I'd look into config of lynx |
| 17:23.57 | DebLin41 | "native codec " ? |
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| 17:24.32 | formorer | DebLin41: and it would help to dig a little bit deeper into the asterisk monster ;) |
| 17:24.38 | ic3man05 | obscuresoul, if your running gnome and kde it should automount for you |
| 17:24.45 | blondie | DebLin41: I think you need both |
| 17:24.45 | snickel1650 | for the changes to take effect after I change the gtk files, do I need to restart kde? |
| 17:24.58 | blondie | DebLin41: if we can't understand what you're saying, how are we supposed to help? |
| 17:24.58 | ic3man05 | no only restart app I believe at most |
| 17:25.00 | DebLin41 | i'm using wav files and standard GSM files and outgoing codec is GSM or G721 |
| 17:25.07 | kspath | !sicco |
| 17:25.07 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 17:25.25 | snickel1650 | ok, the menu fonts in firefox are really big and ugly |
| 17:25.33 | formorer | DebLin41: see: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+sound+files |
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| 17:25.43 | snickel1650 | does anyone know how I can change that? I tried to change the default fonts in GTK but no luck |
| 17:25.49 | Youpi | snickel1650: use a better resolution |
| 17:26.17 | snickel1650 | I'm already at my max resolution, I just want the font size to be decreased |
| 17:26.18 | ic3man05 | snickel1650, http://xaos-realms.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5 |
| 17:26.19 | obscuresoul | ic3man05, yes you're right, but i want to know how can i do it manually |
| 17:26.20 | DebLin41 | yes i understand, |
| 17:26.23 | ic3man05 | adjust your dpi |
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| 17:27.43 | ic3man05 | obscuresoul, I've never had to do it but dmesg should tell you what its under (/dev/sda for example) and then if putting it in fstab its usbfs/ntfs/fat32 more then likely |
| 17:27.54 | Vasistha | snickel1650: oh, I have some experience with gtk fonts in KDE. You don't need to restart kde for changes to take place, but you do need to restart the GTK app |
| 17:28.21 | DebLin41 | and GSM is simple codec for this configuration or is too complicated ? |
| 17:28.29 | ic3man05 | obscuresoul, # mount /dev/sda /path/you/would/like |
| 17:28.35 | ic3man05 | that should do it probably |
| 17:29.15 | formorer | DebLin41: you should read the link |
| 17:29.29 | Youpi | I have an unsolved problem here to use linux again. (it don't even works if I update windows). Do anyone use a bewan pcist adsl model and an ati radeon agp card at same time under linux ? |
| 17:29.37 | obscuresoul | ic3man05, thank you :) |
| 17:29.50 | Youpi | This is due to an irq overload |
| 17:29.51 | snickel1650 | ic3man05: thanks, worked.. do you know how I can do the same thing in GAIM? |
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| 17:30.15 | ic3man05 | snickel1650, dpi setting? |
| 17:30.19 | snickel1650 | yeah |
| 17:30.26 | snickel1650 | or making the fonts in the menu smaller |
| 17:30.30 | ic3man05 | in /etc/X11/xorg.conf that is a global setting |
| 17:30.43 | ic3man05 | so you will have to restart for it to take effect |
| 17:30.50 | ic3man05 | xorg anyways |
| 17:31.00 | snickel1650 | I'm can't use xorg I don't think.. I'm running debian stable? |
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| 17:31.18 | ic3man05 | snickel1650, xorg is the gui your running on right now |
| 17:31.29 | ic3man05 | debian stable is the version of linux your using |
| 17:31.36 | Vasistha | ic3man05: naw, if snickel1650 is in stable, he's got XFree |
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| 17:31.43 | snickel1650 | yeah thats what I mean |
| 17:31.51 | ic3man05 | vasistha, yea sorry forgot about that |
| 17:31.53 | snickel1650 | sorry I just installed linux a few days ago |
| 17:32.01 | qweo | snickel1650: yes,you're can use Xorg in stable |
| 17:32.03 | Agentj87 | hi all, im fairly new to this stuff, can sumone help me install sumthin |
| 17:32.06 | ic3man05 | whatever your xorg.conf is |
| 17:32.12 | ic3man05 | dpi should still work |
| 17:32.13 | Vasistha | snickel1650: congrats! Good to hear you're still with it... |
| 17:32.24 | Vasistha | Agentj87: have you used apt-get before? What are you trying to install? |
| 17:32.26 | qweo | Agentj87: concretly? |
| 17:32.26 | blondie | Agentj87: please supply secret code |
| 17:32.36 | Vasistha | blondie: hehheh |
| 17:32.47 | Agentj87 | tryin to install tflux |
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| 17:33.15 | ic3man05 | torrentflux? |
| 17:33.18 | hayri | ben hayri |
| 17:33.21 | blondie | Agentj87: your g key is broken :O |
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| 17:33.32 | hayri | trk varmi |
| 17:33.46 | Agentj87 | trying to install tflux |
| 17:33.46 | blondie | weirdo |
| 17:33.50 | benson | Folks. |
| 17:33.51 | qweo | snickel1650: apt-get install -t unstable xserver-xorg,then create xorg.conf and run xorg |
| 17:34.03 | Vasistha | Agentj87: what is tflux? Maybe you can give us a link to a web site or something? |
| 17:34.07 | snickel1650 | which line should I edit? the only place where I see dpi is for.. font path: usr/lib/x11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled |
| 17:34.09 | DebLin41 | what is SLINEAR format ? |
| 17:34.15 | snickel1650 | and another that gives me 75 dpi |
| 17:34.17 | ic3man05 | you may have to create it |
| 17:34.19 | blondie | "ttorrentflux - web based, feature-rich BitTorrent download manager"? |
| 17:34.20 | blondie | -t |
| 17:34.23 | ic3man05 | what video card do you have? |
| 17:34.28 | Agentj87 | yes |
| 17:34.41 | blondie | Agentj87: is it that? |
| 17:34.46 | Agentj87 | yes |
| 17:34.52 | Agentj87 | torrentflux.com |
| 17:34.55 | blondie | type "apt-get install torrentflux" |
| 17:34.55 | snickel1650 | intel extreme graphics card |
| 17:35.00 | Vasistha | Agentj87: it will really help us if you type the name of the person you are replying to |
| 17:35.02 | blondie | at least in Etch |
| 17:35.17 | ic3man05 | you'll have to do it the common way then |
| 17:35.28 | benson | Is there a way I can pay for a second Hushmail account that is not mine? And to have it so that the owner of that second account is unable to log in to view the account details? |
| 17:35.49 | ic3man05 | under Section "Monitor" |
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| 17:36.29 | snickel1650 | qweo: if I install xorg, will it potentially mess up my video card driver / monitor (I had problems configuring it before) |
| 17:36.30 | Agentj87 | vasistha: sorry |
| 17:36.39 | ic3man05 | DisplaySize 340 270 |
| 17:36.48 | Agentj87 | blondie: apt-get install torrentflux doesnt work |
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| 17:36.55 | qweo | snickel1650: what problems? |
| 17:37.04 | ic3man05 | agent87 apt-get update first |
| 17:37.11 | Vasistha | Agentj87: thatt's alright, thanks for understanding. Things can get confusing in a big room like this! |
| 17:37.13 | DebLin41 | SLINEAR ???? |
| 17:37.17 | RetroJ | I want to install the xlibs-dev but there is a version conflict with libxrender1 ("(= 0.8.3-7) but 1:0.9.0.2-1 is to be installed"). Is it safe to use --force-yes here? |
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| 17:37.35 | snickel1650 | the resolution kept getting stuck at 860x600, and I had to manually reconfigure everything, set the hsync and vsynch manually.. just a real pain for a newbie |
| 17:37.43 | Agentj87 | ic3man05: doesnt work |
| 17:37.44 | ic3man05 | snickel1650, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts and http://www.mozilla.org/unix/dpi.html |
| 17:37.48 | stew | RetroJ: you pretty much never should need --force-anything |
| 17:37.55 | ic3man05 | you must be root agentj87 |
| 17:37.59 | qweo | snickel1650: just remember current values |
| 17:38.07 | qweo | snickel1650: it should work in xorg |
| 17:38.17 | stew | RetroJ: put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy xlibs-dev libxrender1" into a pastebin |
| 17:38.39 | ic3man05 | qweo, he doesn't need to upgrade to xorg for a dpi setting |
| 17:38.45 | Vasistha | snickel1650: Have you tried editing .gtkrc-2.0 ? |
| 17:39.00 | qweo | ic3man05: oh,i don't undestood the question :) |
| 17:39.06 | snickel1650 | vasistha: yes, but no luck.. do I need to restart kde for it to take effect? |
| 17:39.14 | ic3man05 | qweo, I believe that is his problem |
| 17:39.35 | ic3man05 | wrong dpi settings can make things look to big and small at the same time |
| 17:40.06 | Vasistha | snickel1650: no, you just need to restart the app. And you also have to understand the gtkrc syntax, and know what thing it is you're trying to change. It took me a long time to figure it all out, but I could give you a few tips. I've never tried to edit menu font size, just other stuff |
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| 17:40.36 | snickel1650 | I just changed the 12 that I saw.. assumed it was the font size .. to 10 |
| 17:41.01 | snickel1650 | but I wasn't sure which gtkrc file to modify, so I modified all the iso files |
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| 17:41.11 | qweo | snickel1650: maybe need to play with defoma? |
| 17:41.32 | benson | Anyone here use Hushmail? |
| 17:41.34 | Vasistha | snickel1650: it may be that the one that you wanted was not listed there. The thing about gtkrc is that it does not contain all the configuration details, but you can specify things that aren't in there |
| 17:41.34 | ic3man05 | snickel1650, never blindly modify files |
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| 17:42.06 | benson | I think Hushmail is the best email service going. I am surprise more FREENODERS don't depend on it. |
| 17:42.07 | ic3man05 | snickel1650, same thing goes for xfree config |
| 17:42.15 | tarzeau | benson: i got my own mailserver |
| 17:42.17 | Vasistha | snickel1650: and I don't -really- know if firefox uses it -- although it -should-. And you should definitely be editing the gtkrc file in your home directory, called ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 17:42.18 | tarzeau | benson: and gmail |
| 17:42.25 | abrotman | benson: is it in debian? |
| 17:42.25 | RetroJ | stew: http://pastebin.com/739730 |
| 17:42.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh :) |
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| 17:42.51 | Vasistha | snickel1650: changing the DPI or fonts, etc, it a very different path that could get the same results, but it will effect many more apps than just gtk apps |
| 17:43.28 | RetroJ | stew: perhaps the new libxrender1 came from something I installed from unstable. I don't know. |
| 17:43.28 | ic3man05 | vasistha, that is true but without proper dpi settings, things like firefox won't display right |
| 17:43.37 | stew | RetroJ: the problem is that you installed so packages from either testing or unstable onto your stable box, which is a big no no. what version does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: ? |
| 17:44.08 | chrysopa | Hi how to make the sound button on a laptop D400 to work? I try to put some lines in xmodmap but it dont work. |
| 17:44.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: applied yet? |
| 17:44.26 | RetroJ | stew: 2.3.6-7 |
| 17:44.30 | kspath | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 17:44.31 | dpkg | hmm... cooperation in asking for help is trying to give as much relevant information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about SICCO and research. abbreviated as cia |
| 17:44.31 | jade | anyone run debian with SAN or NAS? |
| 17:44.34 | Vasistha | ic3man05: do you think his dpi settings are wrong? I haven't advised him to do that, nor have I advised him not to, although my inclination is that it's not the right way to go about solving the problem. gtkrc is the best thing to change |
| 17:44.38 | tarzeau | jade: and then? |
| 17:44.52 | jade | tarzeau, as their system architecture |
| 17:44.58 | stew | RetroJ: ok so you are on testing/unstable now. you need to either finish upgrading to testing or you need to reinstall stable |
| 17:44.59 | tarzeau | jade: yes, and then? |
| 17:45.03 | snickel1650 | how would I make the font size smaller with gtkrc? |
| 17:45.16 | abrotman | no |
| 17:45.16 | RetroJ | stew: ok, thanks! |
| 17:45.20 | ic3man05 | vasistha, he has a font size problem which is probably dpi since he noted earlier he didn't have anything about dpi in his xfree config |
| 17:45.23 | tarzeau | !gtk switch |
| 17:45.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: i won't .. until there's a DC in philly! |
| 17:45.35 | tarzeau | !DC |
| 17:45.35 | dpkg | hmm... dc is how I spell cd, or direct current, or bc's backend, or 2b2b2b617468300d |
| 17:45.40 | benson | abrotman, No, Hushmail is NOT in Debian. |
| 17:45.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: a what? |
| 17:45.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: a DebConf in philly |
| 17:45.50 | ic3man05 | vasistha, for changing the font type or size of gtk apps I always used switch{1,2} |
| 17:46.04 | benson | abrotman, It is a webmail service that utilizes client-side JAVA-based Open PGP encryption. |
| 17:46.15 | abrotman | benson: i know what it is .. it's still not in debian |
| 17:46.26 | tarzeau | benson: i use gnumail |
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| 17:46.50 | benson | abrotman, Talk about STRONG encryption. |
| 17:46.51 | blondie | mmm pizza |
| 17:46.56 | benson | It makes me excited just talking about it. |
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| 17:47.03 | tarzeau | benson: stop wanking |
| 17:47.06 | snickel1650 | alright I've gotta go, but thanks for the help guys |
| 17:47.10 | mmm | ? |
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| 17:47.36 | jerome | guantanamo blondie |
| 17:47.37 | Vasistha | snickel1650: We understand that the fonts in firefox and maybe gaim are too big. How are the fonts in other applications? K menu? the panel at the bottom? Is it just the gtk apps that have too-big fonts, or is it everything? |
| 17:47.45 | jade | tarzeau, was looking at a search engine app requiring about 26TB HD space, that would serve to build indexes, refresh indexes, and serve search results at the same time. not certain if this kind of thing is appropriate for a SAN storage because it may not scale well, all obviously running Debian OS |
| 17:47.45 | blondie | whatever :P |
| 17:47.47 | Vasistha | damn |
| 17:47.52 | ic3man05 | vasistha, xdpyinfo | grep resolution resolution: 96x96 dots per inch |
| 17:48.02 | ic3man05 | never needed to change .gtkrc once yet |
| 17:48.07 | tarzeau | jade: and what filesystem? |
| 17:48.10 | pipeline | jade: Uhh, what? That sounds like the perfect application for a pricey-ass SAN. |
| 17:48.19 | tarzeau | jade: linux nfs and ext2/3 is not teh very best, you know |
| 17:48.21 | jerome | blondie: imagine you sent him to some nice beach in the south india ocean |
| 17:48.24 | pipeline | jade: No combination of bullshit running on Linux on PC hardware is going to get you 26 TB of data accessed by dozens of machines :P |
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| 17:48.29 | blondie | :| |
| 17:48.34 | chowells79 | This is probably frequently asked these days.. I just updated unstable, and now emacs and xfontself can't find any fonts.. Anyone got a link to instructions to fix this? |
| 17:48.41 | tarzeau | jade: have a look at FreeBSD or even Debian GNU/kFreeBSD #gnu-kbsd |
| 17:48.42 | chowells79 | *xfontsel |
| 17:48.53 | blondie | solaris! |
| 17:48.57 | tarzeau | it'll be fun to refer to other #debian irc channels, when irc.debian.org points to oftc |
| 17:49.02 | jerome | chowells79: check the topic, wiki links |
| 17:49.08 | pipeline | chowells79: Take a look at your xorg.conf |
| 17:49.24 | blondie | tarzeau: it's fine, people can just use irc.freenode.net as they do now |
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| 17:49.39 | ic3man05 | chowells79, try $ fc-cache -v |
| 17:49.40 | tarzeau | blondie: it'll suck |
| 17:49.50 | ic3man05 | might have to be root |
| 17:49.55 | blondie | tarzeau: not if they don't use oftc |
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| 17:49.59 | Vasistha | ic3man05: I needed to make some adjustments to it because I run an inverse color scheme -- so I could have an off-white cursor on the dark background instead of an invisible black cursor |
| 17:50.01 | tarzeau | blondie: but they will |
| 17:50.05 | blondie | why? |
| 17:50.13 | tarzeau | blondie: because they'll use irc.debian.org |
| 17:50.15 | blondie | do many people use irc.debian.org? |
| 17:50.27 | tarzeau | blondie: and there will be people plop into here asking what irc network am i in? |
| 17:50.32 | john_doe | I'm on a system where X is not starting up at boot. How do I enable this? |
| 17:50.33 | tarzeau | blondie: i use irc.gnu.org and irc.gnustep.org |
| 17:50.34 | jade | pipeline, I would run it on dual xeon servers, maybe four to six servers to handle the various loads. |
| 17:50.35 | ic3man05 | vasistha, I can understand that, but I've never needed to go past basic font and size editing |
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| 17:51.01 | jade | pipeline, Linux would not be a good OS choice? |
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| 17:51.07 | Epilog | hi there |
| 17:51.12 | Vasistha | ic3man05: do menus go beyond basic font and size editing? not to argue, I'm just curious myself |
| 17:51.14 | tarzeau | jade: no |
| 17:51.15 | Youpi | right, I don't like the logo |
| 17:51.17 | jade | only other OS type I could think of would be riserfs |
| 17:51.18 | ic3man05 | john_doe try running xorgcfg -textmode |
| 17:51.23 | blondie | what |
| 17:51.30 | john_doe | ic3man05: thanks |
| 17:51.30 | tarzeau | Youpi: of debian? |
| 17:51.34 | blondie | assuming your mean reiserfs, that's not an OS o.O |
| 17:51.35 | Youpi | or linux |
| 17:51.39 | blondie | -r |
| 17:51.42 | tarzeau | Youpi: the pengouin? |
| 17:51.43 | pipeline | jade: It doesn't matter what the frontend is. |
| 17:51.43 | Youpi | tux should die |
| 17:51.43 | ic3man05 | vasistha, I'm not to sure I don't really believe it would |
| 17:51.54 | Youpi | and we should use a pink gay |
| 17:51.56 | pipeline | jade: You simply can't provide access to 26 TB of data in any reasonably way using PC hardware. |
| 17:51.56 | nanok | okay: OT q: people from cz here? if any, i could use some advice (sorry for intruding) |
| 17:51.59 | Epilog | how can I filter all traffic to P2P from a tun0 |
| 17:52.09 | pipeline | jade: Find a consulting firm, buy a SAN. Expect to pay a million plus if you want the performance to not completely suck ass. |
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| 17:52.50 | nanok | Epilog: i think ther is an iptables patch or something of the kind for p2p. try google (havent had contact w that for a while) |
| 17:52.54 | tarzeau | Youpi: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/fuckpiss/sexuality.jpg |
| 17:52.58 | Vasistha | Youpi: hey, I think the penguin is cool. And Tux is a well-established mascot. Any mascot is going to be disliked by some people |
| 17:53.22 | Epilog | nanok: I already have the L7 filters |
| 17:53.24 | Youpi | Vasistha: I don't care about the logo, linux is a very good choice as os. |
| 17:53.35 | Youpi | I would use it if my modem worked on it. |
| 17:53.40 | Youpi | I used it before |
| 17:53.44 | Youpi | for years |
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| 17:54.02 | nanok | Youpi: i would change my modem in a flash.. |
| 17:54.09 | Epilog | nanok: but I also have chillispot in my router and my guess is that; either I have another rule allowing traffic OR the traffic from the TUN0 interface is passing without filtering |
| 17:54.10 | blondie | modem? how quaint :) |
| 17:54.24 | nanok | (not to mention i would never buy one that didnt work on any OS in the firstplace ;) |
| 17:54.26 | Youpi | Even windows XP and microsoft drivers do not works |
| 17:54.32 | Youpi | (black screen, windows do not start) |
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| 17:54.36 | Vasistha | Youpi: heh, well, yeah, I'd have to agree with you there... well, for anyone who doesn't need to do lots of multimedia, anyway. Why don't you just get another modem? Is it really worth changing your environment just for that? |
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| 17:54.47 | nanok | Epilog: chillispot? |
| 17:55.02 | Youpi | Vasistha: Windows cost ¤100 |
| 17:55.03 | Epilog | nanok: running in my router |
| 17:55.09 | Youpi | a modem cost ¤150 |
| 17:55.12 | Youpi | Easy |
| 17:55.27 | Youpi | I get the same result using windows or linux |
| 17:55.38 | nanok | Youpi: still not worth it to switch do windows, imho |
| 17:55.39 | Epilog | how can I get a similar output of iptables-save if I don't have iptables-save but only plain iptables? |
| 17:55.49 | blame | are there Intel VGA drivers ? |
| 17:56.04 | Youpi | gime ¤150 and I switch back to debian :) |
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| 17:56.12 | pipeline | jade: You sound like another kid / small business / naive guy. This is a Hard Problem. |
| 17:56.15 | blondie | Youpi: what kind of modem costs 150 euros? |
| 17:56.20 | nanok | Epilog: run iptables -nvL > iptables.rules.txt |
| 17:56.25 | AciD | what is the need for gam_server process ? |
| 17:56.28 | Youpi | adsl modem with ethernet link |
| 17:56.32 | john_doe | ic3man05: I don't seem to have that utility |
| 17:56.37 | pipeline | jade: There's a reason people don't start search engines in their garages: It's an expensive endeavour. |
| 17:56.38 | Youpi | os independant |
| 17:56.40 | nanok | Epilog: iptables -nvL -t nat > iptables.rules.nat |
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| 17:57.04 | nanok | Epilog: and have a look at the files, try to figure out what is wrong.. |
| 17:57.08 | ic3man05 | john_doe, are you running xorg or xfree. If xfree, that could be the problem otherwise I believe xorg isn't installed |
| 17:57.13 | blondie | Youpi: you're getting ripped off :| |
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| 17:57.32 | Youpi | blondie: tell me who can provime me one cheaper and I get it |
| 17:57.43 | nanok | Youpi: you have a shity usb modem?! |
| 17:57.47 | Epilog | nanok: if I want to filter all traffic from tun0 interface, which chain*table should I use? |
| 17:57.49 | nanok | i fucking hate those |
| 17:57.55 | tarzeau | nanok: me too |
| 17:57.59 | Youpi | nanok: Bewan pci st |
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| 17:58.15 | blondie | Youpi: www.dabs.fr probably |
| 17:58.18 | Youpi | It is not REALLY supported by linux using and ATI radeo agp card |
| 17:58.27 | Youpi | both are not compatible |
| 17:58.32 | blondie | (I buy most of my stuff from their uk site) |
| 17:58.32 | Youpi | they both use irq 11 |
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| 17:58.46 | john_doe | ic3man05: I'm sure it's xorg |
| 17:58.46 | ootput | is there a channel specifically for debian laptop users? |
| 17:58.59 | AciD | how can you kill unkillable process like /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server ??? |
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| 17:59.21 | tarzeau | ootput: you're right in there |
| 17:59.30 | tarzeau | ootput: unless you mean sparc or ppc laptops |
| 17:59.37 | Epilog | AciD: kill -9 `pidof gam_server` |
| 17:59.38 | kspath | !laptop |
| 17:59.38 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 17:59.39 | tarzeau | AciD: -SIGKILL ? |
| 17:59.45 | kspath | ootput: There is a mailing list. |
| 17:59.45 | Youpi | blondie: this is why if I use official drivers from microsoft update windows crash |
| 17:59.48 | tarzeau | Epilog: or pkill name? |
| 17:59.50 | Youpi | this is not a commun problem |
| 17:59.50 | AciD | -9 doesn't work |
| 17:59.53 | ootput | kspath: yeah, found that on gmane |
| 17:59.58 | ic3man05 | john_doe, # X -configure then? |
| 18:00.01 | tarzeau | AciD: what says ps -ef about it? |
| 18:00.08 | ic3man05 | if you don't have startx, its not installed |
| 18:00.15 | tarzeau | AciD: if it's a zombi, you're not likely to be able to kill it |
| 18:00.20 | Youpi | (windows crash and you can't even re-install it using microsoft cd, you must erase the partitions first) |
| 18:00.29 | jade | pipeline, I am trying to scope this problem out. for the large disk size, not so much that all 26TB would be accessed at the same time, rather for 500 M URLs, I found that the index size would be maybe 13TB, but it is distributed across maybe 4 to 8 core indexes with O(lg(n)) search time, and 16 to 32 satellite data files also with O(lg(n)). That accounts for the about 13TB, but building this would require smaller indexing updates before consolidating i |
| 18:00.29 | jade | nto a the core indexes. |
| 18:00.30 | AciD | tarzeau > acid 25100 1 11 19:59 ? 00:00:15 /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server |
| 18:00.31 | damog | How can I connect automatically to multiple servers on startup of irssi? I have configured two different ircnets and have setup -auto to both but I can only connect at startup to the first one |
| 18:00.32 | blondie | Youpi: get an adsl router/modem box. |
| 18:00.34 | kspath | !mailing list |
| 18:00.34 | dpkg | well, mailing list is about large numbers of persons that might have knowledge and experiences that may or may not use IRC. about http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/, or about the communications being persistent. Mailing lists allow those in various time zones to more effectively share with each other. |
| 18:00.36 | Epilog | AciD: -15 or else do a for ((i=1; i< 64; i++)); do kill -$i pid; done |
| 18:00.37 | tarzeau | AciD: and auxwww ? |
| 18:00.41 | blondie | then you just need to make ethernet work |
| 18:00.41 | Youpi | blondie: ¤150 |
| 18:00.49 | blondie | Youpi: nonsense |
| 18:00.51 | Youpi | ¤50 more than windows ;) |
| 18:00.57 | petemc | Youpi: its off topic here, but thats not true, you can install over the top of an existing windows install |
| 18:00.59 | pipeline | jade: There is no fucking way you can do that on PC hardware. Period. Want to play with the big boys? You'll need big toys :\ |
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| 18:01.04 | ootput | Youpi: what currency is that? |
| 18:01.07 | AciD | tarzeau > acid 25100 11.6 0.2 3552 2220 ? S 19:59 0:19 /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server |
| 18:01.12 | Youpi | euro |
| 18:01.13 | ootput | appears to be a circle with 4 arms |
| 18:01.13 | blondie | ootput: euros I would guess |
| 18:01.23 | blondie | I can't see it but he's from .fr |
| 18:01.23 | ootput | ah |
| 18:01.32 | blondie | Youpi: they don't cost that much :| |
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| 18:01.39 | Vasistha | damog: have you tried asking in #irssi ? |
| 18:01.43 | Youpi | here, this is the prices I get |
| 18:01.46 | damog | Vasistha: Yes. |
| 18:01.51 | threat | how the hell do I redirect the output of time ? |
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| 18:02.11 | Youpi | perhaps I could found cheaper on the internet, but internet is not safe |
| 18:02.21 | Youpi | when I need real things I meet real people |
| 18:02.31 | ootput | threat: what do you mean? |
| 18:02.36 | blondie | Youpi: paranoid delusions |
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| 18:02.46 | Youpi | blondie: sure |
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| 18:02.55 | blondie | I'd much rather buy from a reputable website than some little shop |
| 18:02.57 | Vasistha | damog: if it's a quiet channel, what I often do is just post a question and then I'll check back in half an hour and see if someone has answered it |
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| 18:03.03 | ootput | threat: oh. heh, good luck googling for that solution |
| 18:03.11 | Youpi | anyway, the system is working fine here, that all thats mater :) |
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| 18:03.20 | M3G4crux | Hi to all |
| 18:03.26 | M3G4crux | Hi to all |
| 18:03.30 | blondie | HELLO |
| 18:03.33 | obscuresoul | i've got a creative soundblaster live 5.1 card and a subwoofer with 5 speakers, but only 2 of them are working properly...how can i solve this? |
| 18:03.36 | blondie | hola |
| 18:03.37 | blondie | etc |
| 18:03.42 | M3G4crux | does anyone know any way to remove windows spyware from linux? |
| 18:03.46 | Vasistha | threat: if >file does not work maybe you want 2>file -- the 2> means redirect stderr |
| 18:03.54 | benson | When I told the lady on the phone |
| 18:03.54 | ootput | M3G4crux: eh? |
| 18:03.56 | nkuttler | M3G4crux: hm? |
| 18:03.57 | Youpi | M3G4crux: remove windows |
| 18:03.58 | Youpi | :) |
| 18:04.03 | benson | The address of my friend's email |
| 18:04.04 | ootput | ah, like cookies? |
| 18:04.12 | kspath | !research |
| 18:04.12 | dpkg | from memory, research is what the internet is a tool for... the more you can use it (search the web or databases, find applicable reading material, reading that material, looking in there for references to others), the more independent you will be. Ask me about sicco and cooperation in asking for help. |
| 18:04.13 | benson | She had to hold back a chuckling laugh. |
| 18:04.15 | M3G4crux | besides, I would do that myself but it is not my system |
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| 18:04.30 | M3G4crux | so I can not be so good to them |
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| 18:04.35 | benson | I told my friend that it is embarrassing to call for service of her account. |
| 18:04.38 | yohu123 | anyone here that can help me mount ipods linux partition in colinux? |
| 18:04.40 | Vasistha | M3G4crux: what makes you think that windows spyware has infected linux? |
| 18:04.41 | stoned | what is the command to find out how much data is within one folder and its subfolders. Iwant to see how much disk space is being used by a directory and everything in it |
| 18:04.50 | M3G4crux | hehehehe |
| 18:04.51 | ootput | stoned: du -hscx <dir> |
| 18:04.55 | stoned | ok |
| 18:04.58 | M3G4crux | not linux, has infected itself |
| 18:04.59 | stoned | du |
| 18:05.13 | ootput | yeah mate |
| 18:05.14 | M3G4crux | I would do rm -rf /mnt/wincrap |
| 18:05.18 | M3G4crux | but |
| 18:05.20 | benson | She got all pissy and said she was offended that I would say such a thing. |
| 18:05.36 | M3G4crux | its not my computer, I should not do that |
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| 18:05.49 | ootput | M3G4crux: have you tried using spybot in wine? |
| 18:05.55 | yohu123 | ootput: did you say yeah to me? |
| 18:05.55 | Vasistha | M3G4crux: you're saying you want to boot into linux and remove spyware from windows... uh, I don't think any tools exist for that. You could just remove windows, but it sounds like that's not the solution being sought after |
| 18:06.11 | ootput | yohu123: no, stoned |
| 18:06.15 | stoned | ootput, human readable, summarize, one file system(this is what can't figure what is this option?), total |
| 18:06.19 | stoned | what does -x do? |
| 18:06.34 | yohu123 | but can you help me with the mounting problem though? |
| 18:06.43 | ootput | stoned: say you wanted to find the size of /, but don't want the size of mounted external harddrives |
| 18:06.47 | M3G4crux | Vasistha: I am in linux, otherwise I wouldnt be able to chat in that crappy mofo system |
| 18:06.50 | stoned | ahh |
| 18:06.56 | ootput | stoned: it'll skip /mnt/maxtor |
| 18:07.00 | stoned | ok, yeah, I have my laptop mounted under /home/user |
| 18:07.09 | stoned | cool, thanks man |
| 18:07.13 | stoned | I appreciate it |
| 18:07.14 | M3G4crux | it runs out of resources trying to load the apps in the mofo system crappy tray |
| 18:07.17 | Vasistha | M3G4crux: is your objective to FIX windows so that windows is usable again? |
| 18:07.39 | M3G4crux | well, dont go that way otherwise we would have to redefine the word usable |
| 18:07.40 | M3G4crux | hehehe |
| 18:07.46 | M3G4crux | but yes, somehow |
| 18:07.47 | yohu123 | :( |
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| 18:07.49 | Vasistha | yohu123: I don't think an ipod has a "linux partition" however linux should be able to mount whatever partition already exists on the ipod |
| 18:08.01 | Billionaire | Hi all |
| 18:08.12 | Esp1 | i have a box i can ssh into, and i want to keep this command running when i close my ssh window "./php bot.php", how can i do that? |
| 18:08.18 | karim | hi |
| 18:08.22 | Vasistha | M3G4crux: it's nice if you say who you're talking to, in a big channel like this it can get confusing |
| 18:08.22 | tarzeau | Esp1: screen |
| 18:08.26 | ootput | there should be plenty of BartPE live-boots with antispyware software |
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| 18:08.33 | Vasistha | yohu123: have you checked out gtkpod ? |
| 18:08.44 | M3G4crux | Vasistha: ok :D |
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| 18:08.45 | yohu123 | its the ipodlinux partition on the ipod. when i do a dd --list, by method of elimination, i think the linux partition shows up as \device\harddisk3\dr8 |
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| 18:08.49 | karim | I am searching a way to get the list of build-deps for a package. anyone knows how to do that ? |
| 18:09.04 | M3G4crux | Vasistha: I seem to be very cooperative, would you help me out, please :D |
| 18:09.09 | yohu123 | i can successfully mount the windows partition of the ipod using cofs |
| 18:09.21 | M3G4crux | Vasistha: sorry, I meant you seem to be so :D |
| 18:09.23 | tarzeau | karim: apt-get build-dep pkg |
| 18:09.31 | Vasistha | Esp1: I'm not sure if this will work, but try appending & to the command, ./php bot.php & |
| 18:09.49 | Esp1 | oki, will try |
| 18:09.53 | karim | tarzeau, I want the list of depencies |
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| 18:10.08 | stew | karim: apt-cache showsrc sourcepackage; if the name of the sourcepackage differs from the name of the package, "apt-cache show package" will list a Source: field |
| 18:10.13 | yohu123 | but since the linux partition doesnt show up in windows as a drive, i cant seem to mount it. but i know windows somehow recognizes that partition because an app called ltools allows me to access that partition but to only copy/paste and delete from there |
| 18:10.21 | yohu123 | but not to run linux based commands on it |
| 18:10.38 | ootput | any of you guys getting "tail: cannot open `+8' for reading: No such file or directory" during auto-apt update? |
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| 18:10.50 | benson | Beer goes for over $5 a glass at any bar. |
| 18:10.51 | karim | stew, hem, but then how to parse the line ? |
| 18:10.57 | Vasistha | M3G4crux: err, so you want windows to be usable. I can tell you I've removed quite a bit of spyware from windows, but this is really not the right channel to be discussing windows spyware. |
| 18:10.59 | benson | What a hoot. |
| 18:11.00 | yohu123 | also i think gtkpod is a gentoo tool, but im using debian |
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| 18:11.05 | Esp1 | nop didnt work |
| 18:11.09 | benson | BEER. |
| 18:11.10 | ootput | yohu123: it isn't |
| 18:11.14 | kspath | !wine |
| 18:11.14 | dpkg | methinks wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 18:11.34 | Vasistha | yohu123: gtkpod is available for debian I think you can apt-get gtkpod |
| 18:11.36 | benson | BUT the overhead on the SHOES on your feet and the CLOTHES on your back is likely even more absurd. |
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| 18:11.56 | M3G4crux | Vasistha: ok, so you dont have any idea. Good :D |
| 18:12.16 | ootput | ah, my flyingcircus sets just arrived |
| 18:12.18 | Vasistha | M3G4crux: if you want to /msg me I can give you a few tips, but I can't discuss windows spyware in #debian |
| 18:12.28 | ootput | yeah! |
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| 18:12.34 | benson | How did it get to be like this? Because BUSINESSMEN are always SMARTER than common PEOPLE. |
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| 18:13.01 | M3G4crux | benson what are you on? |
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| 18:13.28 | Vasistha | benson: not necessarily smarter. they are more clever about ripping people off and controlling people. it's a special kind of street smarts |
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| 18:13.57 | M3G4crux | hmmm I would love to be a filthy rich businessman |
| 18:13.59 | benson | Vasistha, And before the people know, they have noi choice but to pay. |
| 18:14.12 | stew | karim: i'm not sure what you mean exactly, but if you want something easier to parse, you might get better results from grep-dctrl |
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| 18:14.32 | benson | Vasistha, This is the power of Open Source. |
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| 18:14.51 | stew | karim: actually it probably wouldn't be any easier. what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 18:14.54 | benson | And why I use Debian Linux. |
| 18:14.57 | karim | stew, grep-dtrl doesn't provide the source depencies |
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| 18:15.12 | stew | karim: sure it does |
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| 18:15.16 | yohu123 | Vasistha: and gtkpod will allow me to even access the linux partition on the ipod, since thats what im aiming for? |
| 18:15.17 | karim | Build-Depends-Indep: gettext (>= 0.13), po-debconf, po4a I just need to get the package names in a line like that |
| 18:15.22 | M3G4crux | we use linux coz we like to be special, dont we? |
| 18:15.25 | karim | Build-Depends-Indep: gettext (>= 0.13), po-debconf, po4a I just need to get the package names in a line like that (stew) |
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| 18:15.49 | M3G4crux | or coz we just like more complicated things but things the do what you want them to do? |
| 18:15.49 | nkuttler | M3G4crux: it's kind of ot, but i use it... because it just works |
| 18:15.54 | Vasistha | yohu123: I'm not sure, it's really strange that your ipod should have a linux partition on it at all. I don't own an ipod, so I really can't tell you, but I understand gtkpod is the best tool for use with an ipod. |
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| 18:16.21 | benson | I use Linux because it doesn't cost a damn cent. |
| 18:16.35 | Vasistha | yohu123: btw, if you need to access a linux partition from windows, check out explore2fs |
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| 18:16.56 | M3G4crux | doubtlessly learning linux leads to knowing much more than a windows user, and more than a standard computer department technician in a common small business |
| 18:17.11 | denmaeth | I use linux only because i HATE microsoft |
| 18:17.14 | Vasistha | benson: well, it does cost somebody something. Bandwidth is not free, although it may seem like that sometimes. |
| 18:17.17 | M3G4crux | so you can mess with the network and that type of fan stuff :D |
| 18:17.35 | ootput | but zealotry can be bad |
| 18:17.35 | stew | karim: time to bust out some perl then |
| 18:17.58 | stew | karim: something like: awk -F: '{print $2}'| perl -p -e "s/\(.*?\)//" |
| 18:18.00 | nkuttler | how do they say? People that hate windows run linux; people that love unix use bsd. |
| 18:18.03 | benson | LINUX frees me from the BUSINESS world and into the KINGDOM of my own REIGN. |
| 18:18.07 | xnm | hi. I just downloaded and burned debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso and when a booted it I got the error "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(1,0)" Any ideas? |
| 18:18.08 | Vasistha | ootput: agreed, zealots are dangerous, pretty much no matter what they favor |
| 18:18.14 | benson | That kind of freedom is PRICELESS. |
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| 18:18.35 | benson | Gosh, guys. It makes me excited just thinking about it. |
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| 18:18.44 | ootput | now now |
| 18:18.47 | nkuttler | xnm: why don't you use a stable installer |
| 18:18.50 | karim | stew, might be possible to skip the double dot : in the perl syntax as well ? |
| 18:18.56 | M3G4crux | benson the problem of linux is the people that tries to associate linux with a type of politics |
| 18:19.00 | Maulkin | lo |
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| 18:19.13 | M3G4crux | in my state some people has done that, and that sucks |
| 18:19.16 | ramiroec | is there a command to get if the network cord is pluget ? |
| 18:19.17 | xnm | nkuttler: I'd rather use newer packages |
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| 18:19.19 | benson | M3G4crux, Linux is FAR more than an operating system. |
| 18:19.35 | nkuttler | xnm: did you ever install debian before? |
| 18:19.44 | karim | stew, i forgot all my perl |
| 18:19.45 | stew | karim: you mean get rid of the awk part? |
| 18:19.46 | nkuttler | benson: in fact, no. linux is just a kernel. |
| 18:19.54 | Vasistha | ramiroec: Not sure what you mean. Are you saying you would like the network to automatically be configured when you plug in, or unplug, a network cable? |
| 18:20.09 | Eulex | benson, far less, you mean? |
| 18:20.10 | M3G4crux | well, if you thing that being an active linux user means your ideas should be more like communism then I dont fit in the profile |
| 18:20.15 | Vasistha | ramiroec: if so, check out ifplugd |
| 18:20.24 | stew | karim: sure perl -p -e "s/.*://;s/\(.*?\)//" |
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| 18:20.27 | ramiroec | Vasistha : the second |
| 18:20.30 | nagulator | hello everybody |
| 18:20.36 | M3G4crux | hi |
| 18:20.37 | kspath | !sicco |
| 18:20.38 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 18:20.38 | xnm | nkuttler: no, never. I've used Red Hat (which I disliked), Mandrake (which was ok), and gentoo (which i loved, but i don't have the time to dedicate to installing and maintaining anymore) |
| 18:20.44 | ootput | heh, reminds me of that Conservative site, and it's articles on Linux |
| 18:20.49 | Vasistha | ramiroec: yeah, try ifplugd |
| 18:20.59 | nkuttler | xnm: use a stable installer. it's stable. if you need newer packages you can still install them later. |
| 18:21.05 | Eulex | M3G4crux, foss != communism |
| 18:21.08 | pyroplas1 | ootput: answering your "+8" question: unlike with -8 (=only show the last 8 lines) you need to give -n for the +8 argument. Otherwise tail does not recognize the param. eg: tail -n +8 /path/to/file |
| 18:21.27 | Vasistha | xnm: hmm, have you checked out arch? |
| 18:21.35 | nkuttler | xnm: if you are new to debian it's better to run stable + backports for some time to get familiar with the system. |
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| 18:21.43 | ootput | pyroplas1: ah, it appears to be a bug then |
| 18:21.48 | pyroplasm | ootput: no |
| 18:21.51 | karim | stew, thanks, only the comas are still alive, how to kill them ? |
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| 18:22.06 | ootput | pyroplasm: auto-apt, correct? |
| 18:22.15 | xnm | Vasistha: no, never. I've heard it mentioned a few times, but never heard anything that would make it stand out. |
| 18:22.18 | M3G4crux | Eulex: foss? |
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| 18:22.30 | xnm | nkuttler: cool. I guess i'll give it a try. |
| 18:22.30 | karim | stew, ok I think I figured out |
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| 18:22.33 | Eulex | !foss |
| 18:22.34 | dpkg | methinks foss is Free and Open Source Software |
| 18:22.34 | M3G4crux | I am sorry, but I just dont know what the hell that means |
| 18:22.39 | Vasistha | karim: a coma is a state of consciousness wherein a person loses all conscious awareness and is in a deep sleep. a comma is a punctuation tool |
| 18:22.41 | ootput | free and open source software |
| 18:22.43 | tarzeau | !foss |
| 18:22.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, foss is Free and Open Source Software |
| 18:22.46 | tarzeau | ootput: don't mix them |
| 18:22.49 | M3G4crux | I see |
| 18:22.54 | M3G4crux | thx ootput |
| 18:22.56 | tarzeau | ootput: there's a clear difference between free software and open source |
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| 18:23.16 | Supaplex | and both |
| 18:23.17 | M3G4crux | ok then I agree |
| 18:23.17 | Vasistha | xnm: I have a friend who enjoys trying different distros, and he recommended it as an easy-to-maintain, up-to-date distro |
| 18:23.21 | pyroplasm | ootput: sorry - I missed this part of the question. This might *probably* a bug then. |
| 18:23.24 | Vasistha | xnm: it = arch |
| 18:23.27 | M3G4crux | would you consider anarchist? |
| 18:23.29 | ootput | tarzeau: i've always known it to be F/OSS |
| 18:23.32 | ootput | not foss |
| 18:23.53 | karim | Vasistha, ah |
| 18:23.56 | tarzeau | ootput: F/OSS and foss is some stupid name, whoever inveted it needs be kicked hard |
| 18:24.13 | M3G4crux | I would take these damn anarchist in my state and grab a bunch of windows cds and shove it up their asses |
| 18:24.19 | M3G4crux | excuse my language please :D |
| 18:24.21 | kspath | Supaplex: good luck with that |
| 18:24.31 | ootput | pyroplasm: (= |
| 18:24.31 | benson | LINUX is a BIG, BIG, BIG - and powerful - statement. |
| 18:24.32 | Supaplex | it's not taken. ;) |
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| 18:24.39 | benson | NOT merely a little piece of software. |
| 18:24.41 | Vasistha | M3G4crux: no sense resorting to violence, dude, it really won't serve anyone in the long run, even if it seems like the only solution sometimes |
| 18:24.50 | blondie | Supaplex: umm you can't have / in domain names mmkay |
| 18:24.53 | Supaplex | benson: you don't have the kernel source commited to memory? |
| 18:25.00 | kspath | Supaplex: The people that need to understand the humour will not. |
| 18:25.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you find me a worminator3 windows binary? |
| 18:25.04 | Supaplex | blondie: hence the ;) part |
| 18:25.05 | sushimako | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2643 |
| 18:25.07 | benson | Supaplex, No, I don't. |
| 18:25.16 | sushimako | but the filelist looks alright |
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| 18:25.18 | M3G4crux | well to be sincere, linux is software, the community turns it into way more, its gives them a lot of meaning |
| 18:25.20 | benson | Supaplex, Linux is much more than a KERNEL. |
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| 18:25.34 | tarzeau | benson: no. it's really just a kernel |
| 18:25.37 | paq | hmmm... what can i do when i get this error on apt-get upgrade: Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 18:25.43 | benson | In fact, I would go on to say that calling Linux a kernel is an outright DISGRACE. |
| 18:25.43 | paq | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 18:25.46 | dbe | benson, actually not, GNU/Linux is the OS |
| 18:25.46 | M3G4crux | tarzeau: I agree |
| 18:25.47 | DaBlade | benson: No, Linux is a kernel |
| 18:25.49 | karim | stew, problem is it skip only one paranthesis |
| 18:25.51 | DaBlade | GNU/Linux is the operating system |
| 18:25.55 | Vasistha | blondie: I actually once met a guy who really said "mmmkay" at the end of almost every sentence |
| 18:25.55 | Supaplex | !confuse benson |
| 18:25.56 | dpkg | Yes, who are their pants yesterday, benson? shirts of the democracy of micronesia with extra cream |
| 18:26.08 | Supaplex | oh wait, he's already confused... |
| 18:26.08 | DaBlade | Linux has been, and always shall be nothing more than a kernel |
| 18:26.16 | benson | NO. |
| 18:26.23 | blondie | Vasistha: mmkay |
| 18:26.28 | DaBlade | benson: Back up your statement. :) |
| 18:26.29 | xnm | Vasistha: yeah, i don't want a distro that's too easy to maintain. For example, I tried ubuntu and didn't like it. It's too user friendly. It's more of a newbie distro, which is fine, but I like to tinker. I just don't want to spend a whole day waiting for the kernel, gnome, xorg, etc. to compile (like I did with gentoo). |
| 18:26.33 | Vasistha | paq: oh, that's because there is a limit on the amount of space that the apt cache can take. I'll see if I can find the relevant config for you |
| 18:26.33 | M3G4crux | linux its just a kernel, but the community is cool, it represents an attitude towards life. A point where people (geeks) share their time and their aptitudes, etc |
| 18:26.35 | Supaplex | benson: pass it through Linus first. then we'll agree with your statement. |
| 18:26.37 | dbe | benson, tell them that at #gnu and listen what they have to say to you ;) |
| 18:26.42 | DaBlade | xnm: www.gentoo.org |
| 18:26.50 | DaBlade | xnm: www.linuxfromscratch.org |
| 18:26.50 | stew | karim: oh use s/\(.*?\)//g instead of just s/\(.*?\)// |
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| 18:26.59 | Eulex | benson, let me pont you to kernel.org. |
| 18:27.02 | Eulex | *point |
| 18:27.02 | stew | karim: you might wanna run "perldoc perre" |
| 18:27.03 | DaBlade | benson: Prove your claim |
| 18:27.08 | stew | karim: you might wanna run "perldoc perlre" |
| 18:27.15 | DaBlade | benson: Prove that Linux is more than a kernel |
| 18:27.17 | Vasistha | xnm: yeah, I think you should check out arch. And who knows, maybe slackware is for you... although I got frustrated by the lack of package management / dependency resolution in slack. Dunno if arch is better on that |
| 18:27.18 | benson | Supaplex, I have been active within the Linux COMMUNITY for nearly 20 years. |
| 18:27.18 | DaBlade | benson: Come on, I dare you. |
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| 18:27.20 | DaBlade | benson: Prove it |
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| 18:27.34 | DaBlade | benson: That still doesn't prove it. |
| 18:27.34 | Maulkin | Calm down folks :) |
| 18:27.35 | Supaplex | I smell a confused troll. Carry on. |
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| 18:27.42 | DaBlade | :) |
| 18:27.44 | M3G4crux | ok, well maybe he mispelled it, he might have meant linus :D |
| 18:27.47 | paq | Vasistha, thx. i |
| 18:27.49 | DaBlade | lol |
| 18:27.51 | paq | Vasistha, thx. i'm clueless riht now |
| 18:27.55 | ootput | yeah, no kidding |
| 18:27.56 | karim | ok |
| 18:28.01 | ootput | enjoy life |
| 18:28.04 | M3G4crux | Linus, its not a kernel, I swear |
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| 18:28.07 | Supaplex | debian - linux + bsd = #gnu-kbsd |
| 18:28.11 | dbe | benson, are you on drugs? How can you say this after 20 years? |
| 18:28.11 | Eulex | benson, especially, read "New to Linux?" |
| 18:28.14 | DaBlade | benson: I'm still waiting for your reply. |
| 18:28.16 | M3G4crux | and you can not install it in your hard drive |
| 18:28.22 | DaBlade | benson: I'm still waiting for proof that Linux is more than a kernel. |
| 18:28.29 | DaBlade | Come on. |
| 18:28.29 | swim | hey folks what are some good repos for etch? I need helio, and some other things... |
| 18:28.30 | Maulkin | benson: Linux is a kernel. Debian GNU/Linux is a operating system based on the Linux kernel. Debian GNU/kBSD is a operating system based on the BSD kernel |
| 18:28.32 | DaBlade | Show me. |
| 18:28.34 | DaBlade | Prove me wrong. |
| 18:28.36 | Vasistha | paq: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80MMap has a line in it that says APT::Cache-Limit and probably you need to increase that number |
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| 18:28.43 | blondie | DaBlade: linux is no more than a kernel! |
| 18:28.44 | ootput | DaBlade: too much? |
| 18:28.50 | Maulkin | DaBlade: Don't feed the troll :) |
| 18:28.52 | blondie | DaBlade: gnu/linux is more though |
| 18:28.53 | Ronin | swim: apt-setup |
| 18:28.53 | DaBlade | blondie: That's what I'm saying. |
| 18:29.02 | Supaplex | I nominate benson for dailywtf :) What do you think? |
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| 18:29.06 | blondie | DaBlade: well, linux is just the kernel, and that's all |
| 18:29.08 | DaBlade | blondie: benson here thinks Linux is more than a kernel |
| 18:29.12 | xnm | Vasistha: yeah, i went to the arch site and it looks pretty decent. it's more focused on commandline which i like, so i'll probably try it out |
| 18:29.14 | blondie | right |
| 18:29.15 | M3G4crux | gnu/linux is an operating system, Debian Gnu/linux is a distribution |
| 18:29.17 | DaBlade | blondie: I know. |
| 18:29.25 | DaBlade | benson: I'm waiting. |
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| 18:29.29 | Maulkin | M3G4crux: Point, sorry :) |
| 18:29.31 | M3G4crux | and the rest its a pack of lies |
| 18:29.31 | blondie | benson: where's hedges? |
| 18:29.32 | Vasistha | benson: and anyone talking with him: can you take it to #offtopic ? |
| 18:29.36 | DaBlade | benson: Are you going to produce a reply any time in the next decade? |
| 18:29.38 | Eulex | benson, and btw, linux is not 15 years old yet. |
| 18:29.46 | ootput | blondie: >.> |
| 18:29.46 | paq | eeek. i deleted /var/lib/dpkg/status by accident .. is there a way to recover? |
| 18:29.47 | DaBlade | :) |
| 18:29.56 | M3G4crux | we are a bunch of complainers, have you noticed? |
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| 18:30.11 | dbe | DaBlade, blondie Eulex he does not know what hes talking about |
| 18:30.11 | stew | paq: there is a backup in /var/backups |
| 18:30.14 | Maulkin | paq: There may be something in /var/backups/ |
| 18:30.18 | dbe | capishe |
| 18:30.19 | DaBlade | dbe: I know. |
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| 18:30.26 | benson | NO. I was doing other things. |
| 18:30.29 | DaBlade | dbe: But it's still fun. :) |
| 18:30.29 | paq | stew, Maulkin my /var/backups is empty :/ |
| 18:30.32 | Vasistha | paq: uhhh... you should be extremely careful when you are logged on as root. In fact, you might consider using the sudo command |
| 18:30.32 | Farhad | "apt-get update firefox " is true? |
| 18:30.34 | DaBlade | benson: Suure you were. |
| 18:30.35 | dbe | DaBlade, sure =) |
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| 18:30.44 | DaBlade | benson: I'm waiting. |
| 18:30.46 | M3G4crux | and all linux users are nonconformists |
| 18:30.46 | swim | Ronin, whats apt-setup? |
| 18:30.47 | abrotman | DaBlade: STOP |
| 18:30.50 | blondie | ootput: well I found it vaguely amusing :| |
| 18:30.53 | tarzeau | Farhad: no |
| 18:30.54 | ootput | DaBlade: chill |
| 18:30.55 | stew | !very fubar status |
| 18:30.55 | DaBlade | benson: Are you going to prove Linux is more than a kernel any time soon? |
| 18:30.57 | DaBlade | Alright. |
| 18:31.02 | DaBlade | I'll cool. |
| 18:31.02 | tarzeau | Farhad: it's apt-get install firefox |
| 18:31.02 | nkuttler | swim: man apt-setup |
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| 18:31.14 | DaBlade | Nah. |
| 18:31.14 | Farhad | i want update firefox |
| 18:31.16 | stew | !very fubar status file |
| 18:31.16 | dpkg | ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first |
| 18:31.17 | benson | Linux is a Neverland for me. The KERENEL itself is a gateway into the true depths that only BEGAN with the EXECUTION of Linus' FREE vision. |
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| 18:31.17 | M3G4crux | apt-get is the SHIT!! |
| 18:31.22 | Vasistha | DaBlade: ootput benson and anyone else, please take it to #offtopic |
| 18:31.22 | abrotman | Maulkin: it's mostly pointless .. why bother |
| 18:31.27 | swim | nkuttler, I dont even have it installed... and it isnt available on my repos |
| 18:31.28 | stew | paq: see what dpkg just said ^^^ |
| 18:31.28 | Eulex | dbe, not like we didn't notice, eh? |
| 18:31.29 | abrotman | benson: please stop .. |
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| 18:31.33 | tarzeau | benson: linux free vision? |
| 18:31.36 | Ronin | swim: you wanted etch repos? run apt-setup assuming ofcourse you run etch |
| 18:31.41 | DaBlade | benson: What are you smoking? 20 year old socks found in the sewers? |
| 18:31.47 | abrotman | DaBlade: stop? |
| 18:31.50 | ootput | Vasistha: I wouldn't touch that conversation with a 50 ft pole |
| 18:31.50 | M3G4crux | let the children come to me |
| 18:31.52 | DaBlade | Okay, sorry. |
| 18:31.53 | tarzeau | benson: it was all Richard Marilyn Stallmans vision! |
| 18:31.53 | stew | Ronin: if you run etch you have no apt-setup available |
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| 18:32.02 | Ronin | stew: crap forgot that |
| 18:32.07 | M3G4crux | I would tought them Linux |
| 18:32.09 | Ronin | now what the hell did they replace it with again |
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| 18:32.10 | Vasistha | DaBlade: tarzeau please take it to #offtopic , don't discuss the issue in here |
| 18:32.11 | Eulex | benson, hehe, you're the second one in here today with visions :) |
| 18:32.13 | nkuttler | swim: base-config |
| 18:32.17 | stew | Ronin: with nothing |
| 18:32.18 | abrotman | Eulex: stoned doesn't count |
| 18:32.18 | tarzeau | Vasistha: WTF? |
| 18:32.19 | Farhad | tarzeau , I want update my firefox , how i can do this? |
| 18:32.26 | tarzeau | Farhad: read what i said? |
| 18:32.26 | DaBlade | Vasistha: I just said I'm sorry and that I'll stop. |
| 18:32.36 | paq | stew, hmm, looks like fun! executing |
| 18:32.39 | Ronin | stew: makes perfect sense, but only cause i work for the govt |
| 18:32.46 | stoned | hey now |
| 18:32.50 | M3G4crux | and I would raised a bunch of inconformist on the one hand, on the other a bunch of stressed men |
| 18:32.51 | redphoenix1 | how can i add make my bluetooth keyboard be detected by debian so i can use it when it asks me to login |
| 18:32.56 | Eulex | abrotman, hehe, I was thinking about the preacher guy :) |
| 18:33.01 | stoned | when did stoners start hallucinating? |
| 18:33.02 | ootput | non- |
| 18:33.02 | redphoenix1 | i been messing around with rfcomm but nothing |
| 18:33.03 | stew | Ronin: /msg dpkg apt-setup ; /msg dpkg base-config |
| 18:33.07 | Vasistha | tarzeau: Mr. b's been smelling like a troll, I'm just trying to discourage feeding the troll |
| 18:33.15 | semboy | !tell semboy about ðaste |
| 18:33.23 | tarzeau | Vasistha: i know how to use /ignore |
| 18:33.25 | dbe | you guys have to little to do, go ahead and read http://www.theregister.com/2006/03/20/rfid_in_tooth/ or something ;) |
| 18:33.25 | stoned | semboy, /msg dpkg keybword |
| 18:33.26 | blondie | oaste? |
| 18:33.43 | Supaplex | keybword. haha. |
| 18:33.43 | M3G4crux | well anyone willing to leave linux aside and go to another level? |
| 18:33.46 | paq | stew, hrmm... it complains about missing "status" file.. when i touch it it complains that it cannot mmap the file.. wtf? |
| 18:33.50 | swim | nkuttler, Im not trying to set my system up to be etch, it already is... I simply want some repos that have more things I can install for example I need Helio... |
| 18:33.51 | tarzeau | Vasistha: if you really want to stop the troll. kick (+ban) |
| 18:34.27 | Maulkin | The trolling seems to have stopped. Let's leave it for now, ok? |
| 18:34.37 | stoned | oh sorry, I meant /msg dpkg <keyword> |
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| 18:34.45 | stoned | etc., that b was obviously a typo |
| 18:34.46 | swim | or helix that is |
| 18:34.49 | abrotman | it's been pretty bad all day |
| 18:35.00 | Supaplex | !fire benson |
| 18:35.00 | dpkg | I'm sorry, benson, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
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| 18:35.09 | stoned | benson & hedges |
| 18:35.11 | kspath | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 18:35.12 | dpkg | i guess cooperation in asking for help is trying to give as much relevant information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about SICCO and research. abbreviated as cia |
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| 18:35.19 | M3G4crux | well it was a nice conversation but counterproductive |
| 18:35.44 | Supaplex | blondie: too late. it's a flaming troll. :) |
| 18:35.59 | blondie | o.o |
| 18:36.10 | blondie | sticky-up and bright colored? |
| 18:36.25 | tarzeau | has someone got a fileplanet.com account and can download me worminator3 ? |
| 18:36.26 | M3G4crux | what the hell is a troll, I always thought it was an ugly monster really heary |
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| 18:36.40 | Eulex | blondie, puke green and bright pink :) |
| 18:36.40 | tarzeau | M3G4crux: in #nethack it's a T |
| 18:36.42 | Supaplex | !troll |
| 18:36.42 | dpkg | it has been said that troll is In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. |
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| 18:37.00 | abrotman | Supaplex: come on |
| 18:37.04 | abrotman | !tell gimmie about root |
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| 18:37.21 | M3G4crux | I love it dpkg is always there :D |
| 18:37.21 | semboy | i need help with java i am trying to add it to path |
| 18:37.26 | semboy | how to do it |
| 18:37.28 | semboy | ? |
| 18:37.37 | blondie | edit your .bashrc file |
| 18:37.48 | stoned | hey guys, I have a problem. I have this laptop, where the screen is broken. I installed ubuntu on it to give a shot. That was a long time ago. I never bothered with the machine. Now, I want to install debian on it, but it has no cd/dvd/floppy/usb. The screen is broken, and I cannot hook up even an external monitor. But right now, the apps work over ssh -X. How can I install debian on it? I could netboot it, but the problem is, I would |
| 18:37.48 | stoned | n't know what is going on, since I wont' be able to see the output. I can however login with ssh, switch to root etc. How would I go about it from here? |
| 18:37.48 | M3G4crux | we should replace the government with dpkg, what do you think Ronin? |
| 18:37.48 | Supaplex | well what does M3G4crux want.. |
| 18:37.49 | Maulkin | semboy: You may be better off asking in #java if you're talking about your JAVACLASS |
| 18:37.50 | pipeline | semboy: Use the debian package system, and it will already be in your path. |
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| 18:38.05 | abrotman | java-package should set that up |
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| 18:38.10 | bronze | semboy - you DON'T have Java, your install failed. |
| 18:38.16 | M3G4crux | Supaplex: am I bothering you? |
| 18:38.22 | bronze | semboy: start over again. |
| 18:38.24 | Maulkin | semboy: Well, there's a couple of ways :) |
| 18:38.31 | Vasistha | stoned: is that a joke? hehheh cuz you've got me laughing quite a bit |
| 18:38.34 | Maulkin | semboy: Does it have a serial port? |
| 18:38.39 | Maulkin | no... |
| 18:38.39 | stoned | Vasistha, whats a joke? |
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| 18:38.49 | Maulkin | stoned: does it have a serial port? |
| 18:38.50 | M3G4crux | if I do let me know i will cut it out |
| 18:38.57 | stoned | Maulkin, yes |
| 18:38.57 | blondie | stoned: something that's meant to be funny |
| 18:39.13 | Maulkin | stoned: Ok, you may be able to install it with a serial console |
| 18:39.19 | stoned | blondie, smartass lol, I meant like what about I said was a joke hehe |
| 18:39.20 | Vasistha | stoned: this laptop that is almost completely unusable? I guess not! Well... good luck! looks like Maulkin's the one to help you! |
| 18:39.42 | nanok | stoned: debootstrap |
| 18:39.46 | stoned | Vasistha, 1.8ghz, 512 ram, 80gb hdd, its a decent laptop, just REALLY beat up |
| 18:39.46 | blondie | I've installed debian on a machine 1,000 miles away :) |
| 18:39.49 | Maulkin | Vasistha: I've used them many times in the past. They're like computers with built in UPSes. Very useful :) |
| 18:39.52 | Supaplex | M3G4crux: no, abrotman was annoyed I think by my issing of !troll so dpkg might answer your question. No worries. |
| 18:39.54 | blondie | replacing redhat 9 |
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| 18:40.06 | sivo | hi |
| 18:40.09 | Eulex | !marry M3G4crux and Supaplex |
| 18:40.09 | dpkg | M3G4crux, do you take Supaplex to be your lawfully wedded spouse? Supaplex, do you take M3G4crux? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 18:40.10 | netsurf3 | how do i get the xscreensaver deamon to run on boot? |
| 18:40.12 | abrotman | Supaplex: sure .. blame me! |
| 18:40.13 | M3G4crux | ok, than |
| 18:40.16 | M3G4crux | I love this guy |
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| 18:40.32 | stoned | Vasistha, right now if has ubuntu on it, and I can login with ssh, run frostwire, openoffice all my bigger apps. its not completely useless, and that is why I want to put it to some use |
| 18:40.34 | M3G4crux | say something so my girl does not see what I just saied :D |
| 18:40.38 | Supaplex | abrotman: ok. :-P |
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| 18:40.44 | nanok | netsurf3: maybe you really want it to run on X login, not on boot |
| 18:40.53 | Eulex | M3G4crux, ctrl-l :) |
| 18:41.02 | stoned | nanok, I will look up debootstrap |
| 18:41.02 | yohu123 | Vasistha: i got disconnected when i asked you...will gtkpod allow me to access the linux partition of the ipod or just its windows partition? |
| 18:41.10 | Vasistha | stoned: wow, man... good luck with that one! the UPS thing IS really nice |
| 18:41.16 | M3G4crux | hold on I am to busy trying to find alt+F4 |
| 18:41.16 | stoned | Maulkin, what about the serial console? Could you elaborate a bit plese |
| 18:41.21 | nanok | stoned: there is also something called debtakeover, iirc |
| 18:41.30 | tarzeau | nanok: which is pretty nice |
| 18:41.38 | nanok | tarzeau: ;) |
| 18:41.40 | Vasistha | yohu123: I'm not at all sure. Having a linux partition on an ipod is somewhat unusual. I guess you have a compelling reason to have it set up that way? |
| 18:41.40 | Maulkin | stoned: www.debian-administration.org/articles/221 |
| 18:41.45 | stoned | thank you |
| 18:41.56 | M3G4crux | I found 1200 suspicious files in windows |
| 18:42.09 | M3G4crux | all were common windows applications, f-prot is the SHIT too |
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| 18:42.11 | Maulkin | stoned: Read the comments on there. |
| 18:42.21 | karim | stew, that's more complex that I though, because when you look at the apt-cache showsrc gimp, the dependencies are even arch dependent ! |
| 18:42.22 | nanok | yeah, a serial console could be fun to try, indeed |
| 18:42.26 | ootput | yohu123: make sre it's not a journaled fs |
| 18:43.05 | nanok | M3G4crux: them being common windows apps doesnt make them clean.. |
| 18:43.12 | karim | stew, I better run gentoo ... |
| 18:43.19 | Maulkin | Serial console shoudn't be too hard TBH. Or, if you can netboot, you can use telnet/ssh to install |
| 18:43.38 | M3G4crux | nanok totally agreed |
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| 18:44.15 | M3G4crux | there should be a debian meeting in San Fermines, Spain this summer |
| 18:44.25 | redphoenix1 | how can i add my bluetooth keyboard to the bootup so i can use it when i login? |
| 18:44.30 | M3G4crux | so we can all party and talk about linux while we get wasted |
| 18:44.33 | stoned | ahh found something. I open the jack, and then laptop, solder the pins to the right connections. Schematics I found |
| 18:44.38 | redphoenix1 | i have it connected already but i need to add it at boot |
| 18:44.49 | Maulkin | stoned: That's probably a better solution :) |
| 18:44.52 | stoned | Its not much different from trying to solder nintendo controllers to serial devices |
| 18:44.56 | stoned | I mean |
| 18:44.59 | stoned | parallel port |
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| 18:45.47 | stoned | sweet, word, thanks, I will look into debootrasp and the other thing anyway, incase the soldering fails for some reason |
| 18:46.08 | swim | has anyone installed Helix on etch? |
| 18:46.17 | M3G4crux | !sanfermines |
| 18:46.30 | swim | !dpkg helix |
| 18:46.30 | dpkg | hmm... helix is open multi-format digital media platform http://www.helixcommunity.org/ |
| 18:46.34 | Vasistha | redphoenix1: you are wanting to use it to type in your username and password when you are starting, e.g., KDE? Or do you want to use it in grub to select which os to boot? |
| 18:46.40 | swim | !dpkg helix etch |
| 18:46.44 | redphoenix1 | kde |
| 18:46.51 | abrotman | swim: stop already .. use /msg |
| 18:46.55 | redphoenix1 | its already detected at boot with i choose from rub |
| 18:47.00 | redphoenix1 | err |
| 18:47.01 | redphoenix1 | lilo |
| 18:47.02 | swim | sorry abrotman |
| 18:47.13 | helix | yeah you're nick hilighting me all over the place |
| 18:47.21 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:47.27 | stoned | helix, they do that to me all the time |
| 18:47.28 | yohu123 | ootput: journaled fs....whats that? |
| 18:47.39 | helix | who the hell says "stoned" a lot? |
| 18:47.46 | stoned | not a lot, but they do |
| 18:47.47 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:47.49 | M3G4crux | a fs for journalists hehehe |
| 18:47.52 | abrotman | mostly when picking on him |
| 18:47.53 | Vasistha | redphoenix1: I guess you've got it working in KDE right now, and you have a special command you need to type in to make it start working, but you want that to happen automatically? |
| 18:48.01 | redphoenix1 | yea |
| 18:48.09 | redphoenix1 | i have a command to get it to connect |
| 18:48.14 | netsurf3 | nanok: how do you do that then? |
| 18:48.23 | Vasistha | well we might not talk about being stoned in this channel a whole lot, but I'm sure in some other channels... |
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| 18:48.33 | redphoenix1 | and yes i want it to happen when i boot so i can use it when i login to gdm |
| 18:48.41 | Maulkin | yohu123: it's a way that filesystems record the most recent changes. It generally allows things to be speedier if the power is lost to the machine unexpectedly |
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| 18:49.15 | stoned | http://www.daileyint.com/build/buildtoc.htm <-- guide to building your own laptop |
| 18:49.29 | Vasistha | redphoenix1: it's really helpful if you type my nick in (you might try tab-completion) when we're talking, it makes it much easier to communicate in a big room |
| 18:49.38 | stoned | "The two basic components required to build a laptop computer are obviously a lap and a computer..." |
| 18:49.40 | stoned | lol |
| 18:49.43 | redphoenix1 | Vasistha, ok hehe sorry :) |
| 18:49.47 | yohu123 | so how do i check that the ipods fs is not journalized? |
| 18:49.47 | M3G4crux | the journalist in spain suck |
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| 18:50.22 | redphoenix1 | Vasistha, yea i just want it to be up at the login screen (gdm) |
| 18:50.30 | M3G4crux | ipod does not use fat? |
| 18:50.37 | netsurf3 | so how can i make a program run on starting X then? |
| 18:50.42 | Vasistha | !tell redphoenix1 about update-rc.d |
| 18:50.47 | netsurf3 | Or gdm |
| 18:50.52 | netsurf3 | as that is what i am using |
| 18:50.58 | kspath | !sicco |
| 18:50.58 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 18:51.37 | netsurf3 | !sicco run program starting gdm |
| 18:51.38 | Vasistha | redphoenix1: so you probably have a script that can start the bluetooth stuff working in KDE. You need to add that script to your init, with update-rc.d |
| 18:51.46 | swim | who runs etch? could I see your sources.list? |
| 18:51.59 | stoned | male female jack set for monitor/laptop is 15$ |
| 18:52.04 | stoned | sweet |
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| 18:52.08 | netsurf3 | lol |
| 18:52.17 | redphoenix1 | Vasistha, ok thank you |
| 18:52.18 | netsurf3 | expencive imho |
| 18:52.33 | nkuttler | swim: what kind of sources do you need? |
| 18:52.41 | Vasistha | swim: what's your question / problem? People on different corners of the earth should be using different / local sources in the souces.list... what kind of problem are you having with apt? |
| 18:52.47 | stoned | is it? fine, i'll look for cheaper :) |
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| 18:53.02 | netsurf3 | stoned 15 for an adaptor? |
| 18:53.07 | chaedaeX | anyone know the syntax for the -K switch to useradd? seems that no matter where I place it I get "useradd: invalid option -- K". i'm trying to add a user with useradd -g foo -u 1002 -K PASS_MAX_DAYS=-1 -K PASS_MIN_DAYS=-1 |
| 18:53.12 | netsurf3 | male to female? |
| 18:53.12 | Maulkin | swim: I'd suggest running apt-setup |
| 18:53.21 | netsurf3 | what does it do have a built in wmd too? |
| 18:53.24 | swim | nkuttler, I want some with multimedia apps perhaps... all I have are the ""official"" etch repos at the moment... I was hoping for example there was one with helix... |
| 18:53.25 | andax | how do I turn off high memory support using a kernel boot parameter? |
| 18:53.45 | andax | woody + custom 2.6.15 kernel |
| 18:53.47 | dacer | Anyone know to set up mythtv in Debian (testing). I have a problem with its backend, or I think so (please don't tell me ask in mythtv-users channel, I do it and don't get any help) |
| 18:53.50 | Maulkin | swim: have a search on http://www.apt-get.org |
| 18:54.00 | Maulkin | dacer: Yes |
| 18:54.01 | swim | ok thanks Maulkin |
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| 18:54.21 | Vasistha | chaedaeX: have you done man useradd ? I don't see a -K option |
| 18:54.25 | swim | damn rhythmbox is completely broken on etch still |
| 18:54.28 | M3G4crux | well people I leave you alone, have a nice day or whats left of it |
| 18:54.30 | chaedaeX | Vasistha: um, yes |
| 18:54.34 | M3G4crux | good bye |
| 18:54.38 | abrotman | swim: what are you looking for? |
| 18:54.39 | dacer | Maulkin, I can install packages, but when try to start frontend I can not connect with backend |
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| 18:54.52 | Maulkin | dacer: Is backend running? |
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| 18:55.02 | dacer | Maulkin, do you have mythtv installed? |
| 18:55.02 | swim | abrotman, Im looking for helix, I wish rhythmbox would work on etch... |
| 18:55.06 | Maulkin | dacer: yes |
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| 18:55.21 | chaedaeX | Vasistha: oh i see. i was on sid on one box and sarge on another. |
| 18:55.21 | abrotman | !info helix-player etch |
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| 18:55.29 | abrotman | !info helixplayer etch |
| 18:55.40 | abrotman | oh ffs .. it was there |
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| 18:55.49 | dacer | Maulkin, can you tell me witch packages do you have installed |
| 18:55.51 | Vasistha | chaedaeX: heh, well my ignorance helped ;-) |
| 18:56.07 | K|NgGh0sT | dacer, there are like 200 packages that need to be installed |
| 18:56.09 | swim | hmm on apt-get.org there is a helix pkg for sarge, and sid... should I use either if Im running etch? |
| 18:56.13 | K|NgGh0sT | apt-get should get them all |
| 18:56.21 | K|NgGh0sT | Did for me, and everyone else I kno |
| 18:56.25 | Maulkin | dacer: Erm... not really. "apt-cache search mythtv" and pick from there. My mythtv box isn't accessable to me right now |
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| 18:56.43 | abrotman | swim: it's not currently in etch .. only sarge or unstable |
| 18:57.01 | stoned | netsurf3, $5 for male, $5 for female, $5 for shipping |
| 18:57.02 | abrotman | swim: http://packages.debian.org/helix-player |
| 18:57.09 | dacer | Mythtv + -backend + -common + -frontend + -database |
| 18:57.11 | helix | :| |
| 18:57.16 | stoned | or I could just go to radio shack and buy the D connection male/famale set |
| 18:57.20 | netsurf3 | stoned LOL i thought it was for an all in one |
| 18:57.25 | dacer | are these packages enought (with it dependences) |
| 18:57.31 | swim | abrotman, I know, thats what I said, but I'm wondering which if either I can/should use in etch? |
| 18:57.35 | abrotman | helix: please forgive me |
| 18:57.40 | K|NgGh0sT | dacer, yeah |
| 18:57.56 | abrotman | swim: try the one from sid first .. sarge is sufficiently differetn from sarge now |
| 18:57.59 | K|NgGh0sT | Did you run mythtv-setup? |
| 18:58.03 | abrotman | erm .. etch is different than sarge |
| 18:58.05 | stoned | abrotman, lol |
| 18:58.09 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:58.13 | Vasistha | abrotman: hehheh |
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| 18:58.35 | abrotman | swim: or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:58.46 | quitte | dacer: can you hilight me when you get to naming tv channels, making the epg work and setup lirc so i can watch how its done? still have to do that myself. |
| 18:58.56 | crazy_penguin | re |
| 18:59.24 | Maulkin | r |
| 18:59.32 | blondie | s |
| 18:59.37 | quitte | t |
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| 18:59.41 | Vasistha | u |
| 18:59.41 | Nosf3ratu | u |
| 18:59.41 | stoned | Extreme Unction |
| 18:59.49 | Maulkin | ... |
| 18:59.56 | Maulkin | http://urbandictionary.com/r |
| 18:59.58 | stoned | will follow for those who continue to be lame |
| 18:59.59 | stoned | :) |
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| 19:01.06 | dacer | quitte, ok, If I get to work mythtv :) |
| 19:01.07 | edsuom | Question now that debian-amd64 is mainstream: How do I specify amd64 arch in sources.list, or do I even need to? |
| 19:01.23 | brianski | edsuom - it is mainstream? |
| 19:01.49 | brianski | last i checked it was beta.... did that change? |
| 19:02.03 | benson | In my life, only the best will do. |
| 19:02.05 | brianski | oh snap. 3.1 is out. |
| 19:02.11 | quitte | dacer: feel free to ask me questions that are not about the above ;) |
| 19:02.18 | Vasistha | Maulkin: I think I like the first definition of 'r' the most, although that is hilarious, thanks |
| 19:02.31 | brianski | err ignore that last question |
| 19:02.33 | giorgian | hi, installing a package (python2.3-zopeinterface), i get an error, for it wants to overwrite a file that's also in another package (python2.3-db). what package i report the bug for? |
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| 19:02.46 | Maulkin | Vasistha: The first definition is the correct one :) |
| 19:02.52 | edsuom | So, generally, how does one specify a particular CPU arch in sources.list, or is that non necessary? I don't want vanilla i386 packages on my amd64. |
| 19:03.13 | dacer | now, I have installed, packages, run mythtv-setup as mythtv user, and DVB-t card is detected |
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| 19:03.34 | Vasistha | Maulkin: yeah, but it doesn't include "are" in the short list of examples, and "are" is probably the most common usage |
| 19:03.35 | opensource_openm | hello |
| 19:03.37 | dacer | if I run mythtv-backend restart I get this error : http://pastebin.com/739862 |
| 19:03.50 | quitte | giorgian: you could check if those are built from the same source and file a bug to that. or just send a bug to any of those. |
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| 19:04.05 | brianski | edsuom - if you used an amd64 installer, you will get amd64 packages, not i386 ones |
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| 19:04.18 | Maulkin | Vasistha: It's still wrong :) |
| 19:04.19 | dererk | Hi again! :) |
| 19:04.21 | edsuom | OK, thanks. |
| 19:04.29 | giorgian | quitte: ok. |
| 19:04.42 | brianski | edsuom - test that assertion by running file on the executable of your choice |
| 19:04.43 | dererk | I have a trouble with APM/ACPI support on my Etch |
| 19:04.45 | cheal | giorgian: in which release? |
| 19:04.49 | dacer | quitte, K|NgGh0sT, Maulkin -> if I run mythtv-backend restart I get this error : http://pastebin.com/739862 |
| 19:04.53 | quitte | dacer: that is the authentication for mysql most likely. |
| 19:05.00 | Vasistha | Maulkin: well, what does "wrong" mean? I mean, language -does- evolve... (though hopefully not in THAT direction) |
| 19:05.07 | dererk | How could I say grub to use only APM? |
| 19:05.09 | kspath | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 19:05.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cooperation in asking for help is trying to give as much relevant information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about SICCO and research. abbreviated as cia |
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| 19:05.31 | quitte | dacer: i was lazy and purged both mythtv and mysql-server together with the whole database. then reinstalled and made sure i gave the same password iirc |
| 19:05.33 | Maulkin | Vasistha: Well, that's another topic for another channel :) |
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| 19:05.35 | tdsch | dacer: you need to config mysql to take an older version of your password - should be something about it on mythtv forums |
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| 19:05.41 | Vasistha | derek: first off, you should know you cannot use both apm and acpi at the same time. How old is your computer, do you have a reason to use one or the other? |
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| 19:05.54 | edsuom | "/usr/bin/apt-get: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, ..." |
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| 19:06.05 | dererk | I even recompile the linux-source kernel to force apm built-in |
| 19:06.17 | dererk | but It's the same, It says "BIOS not support apm" |
| 19:06.23 | dererk | which is not true |
| 19:06.37 | dererk | 'cause I have apm working great on 2.6.8 |
| 19:06.39 | Vasistha | dererk: well I know that you can add to the grub kernel line acpi=off noacpi apm=power_off |
| 19:06.44 | dacer | tdsch, older version of password (mythtv user ) ? |
| 19:07.10 | kevin06 | I'm currently writing a proposal to migrate our webservers from RHEL to Debian. I know you guys are Debian lovers, but from YOUR point of view, is there any benefit to going with RHEL? We're going to be administering this remotely, and the server we get if RHEL will most likely be a standard configuration from GoDaddy. |
| 19:07.12 | K|NgGh0sT | dacer, can you access the mysql database as user myth? |
| 19:07.15 | quitte | dacer: you are using the myth packages from marillat? |
| 19:07.16 | yang | sarge version of snmp is not compiled with network support, how can i configure that myself ? do i have to remove the package and compile by hand? |
| 19:07.19 | dacer | yes |
| 19:07.23 | K|NgGh0sT | like msqld -u mythtv -p |
| 19:07.24 | Vasistha | dererk: it works for me, I can suspend and get battery readings with apm, though I'm using a 2.4 kernel |
| 19:07.28 | dacer | mythtv user and same password |
| 19:07.38 | dererk | Vasistha, thanks, gonna try that right now |
| 19:07.38 | abrotman | yang: wouldn't an snmp package without network support .. be kind of useless ? |
| 19:07.40 | tdsch | dacer: mythtv is encrypting your password in an older mysql format is all |
| 19:07.49 | Maulkin | dacer: Erm... that's not a mythtv problem. Are you running myth-setup within X? |
| 19:07.57 | edsuom | brianski: All OK now. Thanks again. |
| 19:07.58 | abrotman | yang: do you want snmpd ? |
| 19:08.05 | yang | abrotman: well, yes snmpd |
| 19:08.05 | dacer | http://pastebin.com/739872 |
| 19:08.07 | quitte | im pretty sure the install scripts completely setup mysql for me |
| 19:08.10 | brianski | edsuom: you got it |
| 19:08.10 | Vasistha | kevin06: I think one of the main reasons to use RHEL is for the enterprise support, and because so many more common sysadmins know the system better |
| 19:08.24 | Vasistha | dererk: |
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| 19:08.30 | abrotman | yang: how is the snmpd not compiled with network support ? |
| 19:08.30 | Vasistha | dererk: err, good luck! |
| 19:08.31 | K|NgGh0sT | dacer, I'm probally the wrong person to be talking to, I cannot even get my mythtv to scan for transponders |
| 19:08.45 | yang | abrotman: ok my mistake, i only have snmp installed not snmpd |
| 19:08.51 | dacer | Now, I run mythtv-setup with X |
| 19:08.53 | Maulkin | dacer: That error isn't a mythtv error |
| 19:08.55 | pipeline | Vasistha, kevin06 : The main reason to use RHEL is that it's not fucking insane. Things behave predictably. This is also the main reason to use Debian Stable. |
| 19:08.57 | quitte | K|NgGh0sT: you cannot run mythtv-setup? |
| 19:09.15 | K|NgGh0sT | quitte, oh I can, it just freezes at 3% when scanning a satllitte |
| 19:09.17 | dacer | really I run with "run as" (gnome) with my normal user |
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| 19:09.22 | kevin06 | Vasistha, Yeah. I am the sysadmin here, and I learned Linux on Debian. :-) With the Enterprise support. Do you think that's more of an image issue, or do you think they actually support enterprise users better? |
| 19:09.31 | kevin06 | pipeline, We'd be running Sarge, of course. :-) |
| 19:09.47 | dacer | K|NgGh0sT, :) |
| 19:09.48 | Maulkin | dacer: |
| 19:09.49 | Maulkin | Sounds like you're logged into X under one user & trying to run mythfrontend |
| 19:09.51 | Maulkin | as a different user that doesn't have permission to access the display. |
| 19:10.13 | netsurf3 | !ndiswrapper oneliner |
| 19:10.15 | K|NgGh0sT | dacer, try logging in to x as mythtv |
| 19:10.17 | yang | abrotman: still error - |
| 19:10.17 | dererk | No it changed: |
| 19:10.19 | Vasistha | kevin06: what I mean about enterprise support is that you can call red hat and pay them for support, and they WILL (probably) be able to help solve your problem. If you're up to the task of not having that backup -- you can always ask here -- why not go debian? |
| 19:10.20 | yang | snmpwalk -v 2c -c public 127.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.10. |
| 19:10.20 | yang | .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.10.: Unknown Object Identifier (Index out of range: (ifIndex)) |
| 19:10.23 | quitte | K|NgGh0sT: ugh. dvb-s? |
| 19:10.25 | netsurf3 | !ndiswrapper liner |
| 19:10.29 | dererk | "No APM support in kernel" says... grrrrrr |
| 19:10.32 | netsurf3 | !etch ndiswrapper liner |
| 19:10.37 | K|NgGh0sT | quitte, mmhmmm :D |
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| 19:10.47 | K|NgGh0sT | quitte, hence why I am on week 4 :) |
| 19:10.52 | dererk | It's insane |
| 19:10.55 | Vasistha | kevin06: ...another reason for RHEL is if you decide to take some time off, you might have an easier time finding someone to fill in for you who knows RH ... but who knows, maybe the reverse is true |
| 19:10.56 | netsurf3 | dererk: you do realise that 2.6 has it turned off right? |
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| 19:11.00 | dacer | K|NgGh0sT, ok, do you know where is mythtv config file (I want mythtv-setup ask me again for language ...) |
| 19:11.02 | quitte | K|NgGh0sT: there is something to reuse the vdr channel config |
| 19:11.17 | Maulkin | dvbs works for me :) |
| 19:11.30 | dererk | netsurf3, I recompile linux-source kernel and choose it "built-in"ç |
| 19:11.32 | Vasistha | dererk: it may be that you need to modularize it and compile the apm module |
| 19:11.33 | K|NgGh0sT | dacer, kill the database |
| 19:11.39 | kevin06 | Vasistha, My bosses are hesitant to use anything but RHEL because Red Hat is a name they know. They have this opinion that commercial support means BETTER support. I'm asking here because I need to be prepared to defend my position from things I'm not thinking about right now. |
| 19:11.51 | K|NgGh0sT | quitte, I can scan with vdr, just not in mythtv |
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| 19:11.54 | Vasistha | dererk: did you have the apm sources so that they would be compiled and built into the kernel? |
| 19:11.54 | quitte | doesn'T for me. either my dish or the lnb is too bad. every few weeks i have to recalibrate :( |
| 19:11.58 | dacer | mysql database? and mythtv mysql user too? |
| 19:12.09 | Maulkin | kevin06: You can get commercial support for Debian, just not from Debian itself :) |
| 19:12.14 | K|NgGh0sT | mythconverg |
| 19:12.18 | dacer | ok |
| 19:12.19 | K|NgGh0sT | purge it and make another |
| 19:12.20 | netsurf3 | dererk: yes but is it active by default? |
| 19:12.32 | dererk | netsurf3, what you mean? |
| 19:12.46 | netsurf3 | dererk: have you tried acpi=off and apm=on as boot param |
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| 19:12.58 | yang | abrotman: did you see? |
| 19:13.03 | dererk | yes, I check it right now with Vasistha |
| 19:13.06 | Vasistha | kevin06: well, I think much of what I've said here definitely supports their position of wanting red hat. Red Hat has created a big name for themselves in the corporate world by providing commercial support |
| 19:13.09 | netsurf3 | dererk: that worked with stock kernel fine for me |
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| 19:13.25 | dacer | ok, deleted, i'm going to login with mythtv user, so I have to close chat, after it login again |
| 19:13.28 | K|NgGh0sT | quitte, I'm out of ideas |
| 19:13.35 | netsurf3 | lol |
| 19:14.16 | Vasistha | dererk: stock 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 19:14.17 | dererk | netsurf3, what's really strange is that It works great with 2.6.8, but doesn0t with 2.6.15 |
| 19:14.17 | Vasistha | netsurf3: oops, that was for you, stock 2.4 or 2.6? sorry dererk I know you're on 2.6 |
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| 19:14.17 | quitte | K|NgGh0sT: did you try to not scan but instead use the channel conf from vdr? |
| 19:14.17 | dererk | Vasistha, 2.6.15 |
| 19:14.17 | netsurf3 | Vasistha: stock 2.6 etch |
| 19:14.20 | netsurf3 | Vasistha: 486 |
| 19:14.23 | dererk | Vasistha, Isn't it the same ? |
| 19:14.40 | dererk | (the same parameters) |
| 19:14.56 | Vasistha | netsurf3: ahha! neato, the stock 2.6 486 kernel has apm? That's a wonderful bit of info. I wonder if the stock 2.6 sarge 486 kernel has apm |
| 19:15.04 | netsurf3 | :D |
| 19:15.10 | netsurf3 | i know 2.4 does |
| 19:15.18 | netsurf3 | it works out the box on etch |
| 19:15.27 | quitte | Vasistha: it has. you just have to disable acpi |
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| 19:15.32 | netsurf3 | yeah |
| 19:15.34 | netsurf3 | you us |
| 19:15.36 | benson | In my life, only the best will do. |
| 19:15.36 | netsurf3 | use |
| 19:15.40 | abrotman | yang: and that makes you think it has no network support? |
| 19:15.48 | Vasistha | quitte: nice! Just gotta get the right kernel image... |
| 19:15.49 | benson | That is why I employ the Debian Linux series of operating systems. |
| 19:15.54 | netsurf3 | Vasistha: acpi=off apm=on |
| 19:15.57 | dererk | just adding "acpi=off apm=on" ? |
| 19:15.58 | yang | abrotman: right, the snmpd coder told me so |
| 19:15.58 | abrotman | benson: would you be quiet already ... |
| 19:16.13 | dererk | to kernel parameters, right? |
| 19:16.14 | abrotman | you already caused enough trouble |
| 19:16.14 | netsurf3 | dererk: mine works with that |
| 19:16.16 | yang | abrotman: i cant create graphs with cacti |
| 19:16.30 | netsurf3 | dererk: yeah |
| 19:16.30 | dererk | netsurf3, is it a 2.6.15? |
| 19:16.31 | quitte | apm=on is not needed afaik apm is a module anyways |
| 19:16.46 | netsurf3 | dererk: what is command to check? i cant remember |
| 19:17.01 | dererk | ls /proc/apm |
| 19:17.04 | abrotman | yang: contact the snmp maintainer .. but i think the cacti guy is on crack |
| 19:17.09 | netsurf3 | no i mean kernel version |
| 19:17.36 | dererk | mine? |
| 19:17.37 | brianski | i love this: # apt-get update ... "You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" |
| 19:17.38 | dererk | 2.6.15 |
| 19:17.47 | dererk | to check uname -a |
| 19:17.49 | dererk | :P |
| 19:17.50 | yang | abrotman: now i have to remove snmpd and recompile by hand |
| 19:18.03 | netsurf3 | dererk: YES it is kernel version 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 19:18.08 | dererk | :\ |
| 19:18.19 | netsurf3 | apm works with it |
| 19:18.37 | dacer | K|NgGh0sT, I delete mythconverg database, and run mythtv-setup, but now seems it don't create this database again |
| 19:18.52 | netsurf3 | i had to use acpi=off apm=on as kernel paramaters but it worked |
| 19:18.55 | brianski | edsuom: what did you mean by amd64 being mainstream? as far as i can tell, it's still not in testing or stable w/o a nonstandard sources.list |
| 19:19.11 | astronut | brianski: it's partially in testing |
| 19:19.23 | astronut | brianski: it won't be in stable until etch releases |
| 19:19.35 | brianski | astronut: partially in testing? |
| 19:19.44 | astronut | brianski: actually, mostly i think |
| 19:19.47 | Eulex | !nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 19:19.48 | dpkg | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, eulex |
| 19:19.49 | dacer | http://pastebin.com/739892 |
| 19:19.49 | astronut | some things aren't |
| 19:19.55 | Eulex | sorry, just had to do it :) |
| 19:20.00 | brianski | Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] |
| 19:20.04 | astronut | !nickometer astronut |
| 19:20.05 | dpkg | 'astronut' is 0.000% lame, astronut |
| 19:20.08 | K|NgGh0sT | Eulex, thanks for being the 20000th person |
| 19:20.09 | Maulkin | There are continuing issues with amd64. It's being worked on :) |
| 19:20.10 | brianski | do i need a particular mirror? |
| 19:20.15 | astronut | brianski: it will never be in stable |
| 19:20.18 | astronut | uintil etch releases |
| 19:20.22 | astronut | testing yes, sarge no |
| 19:20.24 | astronut | stable is just that |
| 19:20.26 | astronut | it's not changed |
| 19:20.27 | brianski | oh right |
| 19:20.29 | kspath | !research |
| 19:20.29 | dpkg | somebody said research was what the internet is a tool for... the more you can use it (search the web or databases, find applicable reading material, reading that material, looking in there for references to others), the more independent you will be. Ask me about sicco and cooperation in asking for help. |
| 19:20.29 | brianski | sorry typo |
| 19:20.31 | edsuom | brianski: Well, I'm happily doing an upgrade from aptitude with "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" |
| 19:20.32 | netsurf3 | !nickometer eulex |
| 19:20.34 | dpkg | 'eulex' is 0.000% lame, netsurf3 |
| 19:20.36 | benson | Hushmail receives about 500 support inquiries a day through e-mail alone. |
| 19:20.39 | netsurf3 | :D |
| 19:20.41 | edsuom | brianski: That's stable enough for me :-) |
| 19:20.43 | dererk | netsurf3, I shows the same :\ |
| 19:20.48 | dererk | it* |
| 19:20.56 | Eulex | K|NgGh0sT, sorry :/ |
| 19:21.02 | master_o1_master | hi, where can I set a global ulimit? |
| 19:21.02 | netsurf3 | dererk: this is what? |
| 19:21.08 | brianski | edsuom: gotcha |
| 19:21.10 | K|NgGh0sT | Its okay |
| 19:21.15 | K|NgGh0sT | Eulex, wanna have sex? |
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| 19:21.17 | dererk | "No APM support in kernel" |
| 19:21.20 | netsurf3 | ........................... |
| 19:21.28 | dacer | quitte, ? |
| 19:21.31 | K|NgGh0sT | ANywyas back to work I go |
| 19:21.37 | brianski | hmm i wonder if i need to apt-get dist-upgrade to move from the non-standard amd64 mirror i was using to the main ones" |
| 19:21.38 | netsurf3 | dererk: this after using the kernel parameters? |
| 19:21.45 | dererk | netsurf3, yes |
| 19:22.01 | netsurf3 | do you have the apmd running? |
| 19:22.12 | netsurf3 | and the apm module loaded? |
| 19:22.19 | astronut | brianski: are you developing (I assume no)? |
| 19:22.30 | dererk | no module, It's built-in netsurf3 |
| 19:22.30 | brianski | astronut: not on my amd64 box |
| 19:22.41 | astronut | brianski: are you going from stable -> testing or just unofficial testing -> official testing? |
| 19:22.50 | dererk | and that output is shown when I try to load apmd |
| 19:22.51 | brianski | unofficial testing -> official testing |
| 19:22.59 | netsurf3 | dererk: O.O i have no idea as to the problem then :( |
| 19:23.30 | dererk | netsurf3, ok, thanks anyway :) |
| 19:23.30 | Red_Cloud | I need to purchase a new laptop for my daughter. Is there a chatroom where I could get good advice on a brand and model to purchase? |
| 19:23.35 | astronut | brianski: probably not, BUT it is advisable (though not required) to reinstall everything |
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| 19:23.41 | astronut | ie, apt-get install --reinstall foo |
| 19:23.51 | brianski | astronut: hmm, ok |
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| 19:23.52 | Vasistha | dererk: I still suspect that what happened is you tried to compile the kernel with apm built in instead of modularized, and the apm sources were not available, and thus didn't get built in |
| 19:23.55 | brianski | any idea what this is: |
| 19:24.00 | brianski | W: GPG error: http://mirrors.kernel.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 19:24.00 | brianski | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 19:24.06 | Maulkin | Red_Cloud: With Debian installed? :) |
| 19:24.27 | Red_Cloud | Maulkin, that would be perfect! |
| 19:24.33 | Maulkin | !apt-key 010908312D230C5F |
| 19:24.33 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 19:24.43 | Maulkin | brianski: see that line |
| 19:24.43 | dererk | Vasistha, what you mean "not available"? |
| 19:24.54 | blondie | brianski: read the topic |
| 19:24.57 | blondie | or something |
| 19:24.57 | Maulkin | Red_Cloud: I'd suggest a IBM Thinkpad |
| 19:25.05 | brianski | Maulkin: w00t thanks |
| 19:25.09 | Vasistha | dererk: I mean, did you have the apm sources available and in the appropriate location when you were compiling the kernel? |
| 19:25.26 | dererk | Vasistha, why should I need apm sources? |
| 19:25.38 | dererk | Doesn't they come with the kernel source? |
| 19:25.40 | astronut | Maulkin, Red_Cloud: i just got a LENOVO (they bought out that part of IBM) think pad... |
| 19:25.48 | astronut | i like the box, but i had hell getting it |
| 19:25.56 | Red_Cloud | Maulkin, you just went up to the top of my "admire" list. Can I get thinkpad with Linux installed? |
| 19:25.58 | astronut | they fucked up my ordedr, was > 2 months between order and ship |
| 19:26.01 | Maulkin | Red_Cloud: If you're after something cheap, try an R50. If you want something small, try a X40. Otherwise, try a Tsomething |
| 19:26.07 | Vasistha | dererk: check out the package libapm1 |
| 19:26.08 | benson | I am the SON of James Bower. |
| 19:26.16 | dererk | Vasistha, k |
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| 19:26.22 | Maulkin | Red_Cloud: I don't think so, but it's a nice easy install |
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| 19:26.37 | Maulkin | Red_Cloud: www.thinkwiki.org (I think) has a load of info on |
| 19:26.38 | dererk | Vasistha, it's installed |
| 19:26.48 | astronut | Maulkin: they do |
| 19:26.49 | Red_Cloud | astronut, I have been looking at their website and am thinking of the X series. But am I paying a lot for size and would the T series be better? |
| 19:26.59 | astronut | Red_Cloud: i have a z series |
| 19:27.00 | astronut | *shrug* |
| 19:27.03 | astronut | z60m |
| 19:27.05 | astronut | i like it so far |
| 19:27.07 | astronut | got it 2 days ago |
| 19:27.08 | Maulkin | astronut: Odd. I got mine immediately, and support has been 110%. |
| 19:27.12 | astronut | haven't had a chance to install linux yet |
| 19:27.14 | Vasistha | dererk: when you compile the kernel that is supposed to have apm built in, it might be trying to link to that library... also there's libapm-dev ... keep in mind I haven't successfully compiled a kernel for myself yet :P |
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| 19:27.18 | astronut | Maulkin: support was good, wharehouse was bad |
| 19:27.20 | Maulkin | astronut: Mind you, this is .uk :) |
| 19:27.27 | Vasistha | astronaut: |
| 19:27.28 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 19:27.28 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 19:27.31 | astronut | Maulkin: dillinger apparently got one shipped in a week or so |
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| 19:27.48 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 19:27.55 | astronut | Vasistha: sorry, i'm bad... though it's nut not naut, and you can do !tell astornut about enter |
| 19:27.56 | Maulkin | astronut: < 12 hours for me :) |
| 19:28.02 | astronut | Maulkin: damn! |
| 19:28.03 | dererk | Vasistha, ok, it's a good tip, I'll take it into account |
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| 19:28.12 | tainted_ | hello |
| 19:28.22 | tainted_ | what's a good mail server for linux newbies? |
| 19:28.32 | Vasistha | dererk: good luck, man. perhaps you will have better luck if you modularize it |
| 19:28.32 | tainted_ | is there something with a simple GUI? sendmail looks daunting |
| 19:28.35 | astronut | tainted_: pop, imap, smtp? |
| 19:28.43 | Vasistha | astronut: heh ok :-) |
| 19:28.45 | astronut | tainted_: i run postfix/cyrus, and love it |
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| 19:29.00 | tainted_ | um smtp |
| 19:29.06 | dererk | Vasistha, well, debian's one came modularized, so, I didn't suceed, did i? :) |
| 19:29.20 | tainted_ | ok |
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| 19:29.43 | astronut | tainted_: just smtp? exim or postfix - exim is the debian default |
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| 19:29.49 | Vasistha | dererk: debian's stock kernel had apm configured as a module? Perhaps all you need to do is compile the module against the kernel sources |
| 19:29.52 | Red_Cloud | astronut and Maulkin, I am needing 2 laptops, one for each of my daughters. I guess that I will get the X series of Thinkpad for them. Thanks for your prompt recommendation of the Thinkpad notebooks. |
| 19:30.09 | astronut | Red_Cloud: just keep in mind my problem |
| 19:30.14 | K|NgGh0sT | Red_Cloud, never can go wrong with ASUS laptops |
| 19:30.16 | astronut | but i like the machine (so far) |
| 19:30.20 | astronut | haven't done the linux install yet |
| 19:30.20 | K|NgGh0sT | I'll never buy anything but |
| 19:30.24 | dererk | Vasistha, I'll try that |
| 19:30.26 | astronut | i've heard extremely good things about it |
| 19:30.28 | Vasistha | Red_Cloud: one thing about thinkpads is they're not very "sexy" ... they really look like business machines. Dunno what your daughters are like... |
| 19:30.31 | astronut | and about half of the DDs have thinkpads |
| 19:30.46 | coax | is it possible to background a program running in bash? not stop it as with ctrl+c, but something simular |
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| 19:31.01 | astronut | coax: ctrl-z, type bg |
| 19:31.06 | Maulkin | have a look at http://photos.halon.org.uk/dc6 |
| 19:31.10 | kriel | okay, very strange question, not neccessarily about debian. I was using windows, and for some reason, programs just started randomly closing or malfunctioning. I figured it was just windows, so I went ahead and installed linux. However, now linux apps have started just... dying. It's a completely different hard drive, and I've done several memory tests which all tested good. ... any ideas, anybody...? |
| 19:31.16 | Maulkin | See the DDs with Thinkpad :) |
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| 19:31.30 | astronut | Maulkin: you're a DD right? think i saw your name on planet |
| 19:31.40 | Maulkin | astronut: yup |
| 19:31.46 | thingfish | kriel: if memory tests good with memtest86+, it could be your cpu. |
| 19:31.49 | abrotman | sometimes i wish planet would put the DDs email/ircnick next to thier name |
| 19:31.49 | Vasistha | kriel: how old is your computer? have you CLEANED it? Dirty boards are one of the top sources of unpredictable malfunctions |
| 19:31.51 | coax | astronut, i ment to say, not stop it as with ctrl+z... |
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| 19:32.08 | jshriver | How do you make a patch file against a source tree? |
| 19:32.12 | Red_Cloud | Vasistha, my youngest just received her BS in CSE from Colo Univ on May 13. She has GPA of 3.96, Tau Beta Pi, Golden Key Int'l Honor Society. ACM, Nat'l Dean's Honor Roll, Nat'l Chancellor's List, etc. |
| 19:32.16 | dacer | Maulkin, quitte, K|NgGh0sT, seems, that now my backend is working: ps -Af |grep mythtvb |
| 19:32.16 | dacer | mythtv 4322 1798 0 21:31 pts/0 00:00:00 grep mythtvb |
| 19:32.16 | K|NgGh0sT | roue, what the heck there is a carleton college? |
| 19:32.17 | K|NgGh0sT | weird |
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| 19:32.45 | Vasistha | Red_Cloud: okay, your daughter is not 16, I bet she'll be happy with a business laptop :-) |
| 19:32.45 | kriel | thingfish: Vasistha: yeah, it gets cleaned about once a month. I haven't tested it with memtest86+, but it was with... docmem? this computer's continually getting upgraded, but I don't think there's anything older than 2000 in it right now... |
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| 19:33.02 | dacer | but when tun mythtv says cannot conect with backend, check IP |
| 19:33.03 | roue | hi K|NgCh0sT there is a carleton college. yes. |
| 19:33.09 | Maulkin | Red_Cloud: ... A what now? :) |
| 19:33.16 | roue | Why, do you go to Carleton University? |
| 19:33.20 | Maulkin | dacer: its not running :) |
| 19:33.24 | Vasistha | kriel: well, if it's clean, that's good. like thingfish said, sounds like it could be a hardware problem |
| 19:33.26 | dacer | not? |
| 19:33.32 | dacer | ahhh |
| 19:33.38 | dacer | yes sorry |
| 19:33.38 | Maulkin | dacer: ps -Af |grep [m]ythtvb |
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| 19:33.43 | dacer | is grep |
| 19:33.50 | dacer | sorry |
| 19:33.51 | kriel | neh... i hope it's not the cpu... it's 3ghz p4... ><;; |
| 19:34.00 | dacer | :( |
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| 19:34.20 | aksn | hi all |
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| 19:34.32 | Red_Cloud | Vasistha, my daughter is accepted to the grad school for CSE this fall. My other daughter will receive her BS in CSE May 2007 from Colo Univ and also will attent grad school. They have worn out their Del Inspirons and I am not happy with the housing and hardware of the Dell products. |
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| 19:34.36 | chaedaeX | how to override login.defs defaults with old useradd version on sarge? |
| 19:34.37 | Vasistha | aksn: g'day ... if you have a question, feel free to just ask! |
| 19:34.48 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 19:34.48 | dpkg | i heard tetrinet is multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
| 19:34.48 | aksn | tomcat5 should open port 8080 in debian? |
| 19:34.55 | Vasistha | Red_Cloud: many of us here are not fond of dell. They have horrible bioses too |
| 19:34.58 | kriel | thingfish: just because? or did something happen? |
| 19:35.09 | chaedaeX | dell's blow |
| 19:35.14 | thingfish | kriel: just because, afaict. |
| 19:35.29 | dererk | What if I uses just ACPI? |
| 19:35.58 | brianski | Vasistha: why aren't folks fond of dell? |
| 19:36.02 | Vasistha | dererk: well, if your laptop is supported, then it could be better |
| 19:36.08 | quitte | dacer: yes? |
| 19:36.13 | brianski | besides the bioses |
| 19:36.22 | Red_Cloud | Vasistha, the dells lasted about 3 years and now the connections and hardware are worn out. The thinkpad has a warranty that is good for that abount of time. |
| 19:36.27 | kriel | ... ... -treads onto thin ice- ... i kept getting an "IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL" problem in Windows, and (thank somebody it hasn't happened yet) it just... restarted for no reason. just... -internetinternet- ... -beep- -starts POST- |
| 19:36.34 | Vasistha | brianski: their bioses are awful ... that's my main reason for disliking them... I think there are other good reasons for disliking dells as well |
| 19:36.36 | kriel | does that sound like cpu still? |
| 19:36.36 | dererk | Vasistha, I mean, what if it uses ACPI and not apm? |
| 19:36.53 | dererk | Umm, well, I think It should show battery stats then :\ |
| 19:36.57 | brianski | Vasistha: well i'm interested in hearing abotu the other reasons... a colleague of mine wants to change all of our purchasing to dell, and i'm a biut skeptical |
| 19:37.07 | dererk | I hate this :\ |
| 19:37.18 | Vasistha | dererk: what is "it" that uses acpi? the kernel or the laptop's hardware? |
| 19:37.28 | pete_welsch | hello - got a bit of a dpkg issue on one of our machines |
| 19:37.37 | abrotman | i blame the scots |
| 19:37.49 | Vasistha | brianski: keep asking about Dell, then... I've heard quite a few criticisms around here. Although I don't necessarily have an alternate recommendation |
| 19:37.56 | brianski | pete_welsch: what be the problem? |
| 19:38.00 | dererk | Vasistha, I mean, now It uses acpi to show Thermal stats, but |
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| 19:38.01 | pete_welsch | almost any call to it results in an error, with |
| 19:38.04 | pete_welsch | dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
| 19:38.23 | dererk | If the hardware only uses acpi, I should show Battery stats, right? |
| 19:38.23 | Vasistha | dererk: you're getting thermal stats with acpi? That's nice... what's the problem? Suspend won't work? |
| 19:38.25 | pete_welsch | that's everything from --version through to running apt-get install |
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| 19:38.40 | dacer | I'm really don't know, why mythtv-backend dont work!!!! |
| 19:38.46 | dererk | Vasistha, the problem is battery stats |
| 19:38.54 | kriel | Dell. n. : cost-effective windows-driven computer. quality is usually proportional to price, and dell has a tendency to advertise their low prices... |
| 19:38.58 | Vasistha | dererk: you should be able to get battery stats using acpi ... the thing is that linux (as well as hardware) implementations of acpi are spotty |
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| 19:39.23 | Virus01 | Moin Moin |
| 19:39.32 | quitte | dacer got it to talk to your sql database? |
| 19:39.41 | Red_Cloud | brianski, the housing and hardware used by dell will not stand up to constant use. The connection ports, screws, and hardware are not for constant use. The pads also develop holes is used to excess. The model that I purchased for my daughters 3 years ago were top of the line Inspirons and I expected better wear from them. |
| 19:39.41 | dererk | Vasistha, I just need battery stats :( |
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| 19:39.49 | dacer | quitte, not know |
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| 19:39.57 | dacer | how can I check it |
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| 19:40.15 | kspath | !sicco |
| 19:40.15 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 19:40.18 | Vasistha | dererk: hmmm, have you checked out /proc/acpi ? |
| 19:40.30 | dererk | Vasistha, what should I look for? |
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| 19:40.52 | Vasistha | dererk: well, ... I'm not running acpi so I'm not sure. Try cat /proc/acpi and see what it says! Use pastebin if you need |
| 19:40.53 | dacer | mythtv-setup "remember" settings, so if its are stored on mythconverg, then mythtv-setup talk with it. But not sure if mythtv-backend do |
| 19:40.54 | quitte | dacer: i know nothing about sql basically. but i still got myth working. are you using the packages from marillat? |
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| 19:41.05 | brianski | Red_Cloud: so your beef with dells isn't with their server grade hardware, but their desktop stuff? |
| 19:41.20 | dacer | yes |
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| 19:41.25 | dacer | quitte, yes |
| 19:41.30 | dererk | Vasistha, "/proc/acpi" is a directory 25 files |
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| 19:41.48 | quitte | dacer: ok. and /etc/init.d/mythsomething restart says what? |
| 19:41.49 | kriel | thingfish: uhm... ... can you point me in the right direction on actually using memtest86+ ? |
| 19:41.57 | Red_Cloud | Maulkin, thanks for the link to thinkwiki. I will bookmark it for my daughters use when they receive their laptops. |
| 19:42.06 | Vasistha | dererk: ah, very good. this might be bad advice... hopefully someone will speak up if so... but cd /proc/acpi and examine those files! |
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| 19:42.20 | quitte | dacer: hmm. ill install mythtv mself. i guess thatll help |
| 19:42.21 | Vasistha | dererk: just use cat, and don't be root, because you don't want to damage anything |
| 19:42.34 | dererk | Vasistha, :P |
| 19:42.55 | dacer | quitte, http://pastebin.com/739944 |
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| 19:43.41 | netsurf3 | hey gues |
| 19:43.44 | netsurf3 | *guys |
| 19:43.51 | dacer | quitte, I run /etc/init.d/myth-backend as root |
| 19:43.58 | netsurf3 | how do i compile the ndiswrapper kernel modules? |
| 19:44.02 | netsurf3 | from source |
| 19:44.49 | quitte | dacer: and if you do start instead? this doesnt look like an error to me. |
| 19:45.08 | dacer | quitte, start mythtv ? |
| 19:45.09 | netsurf3 | i am getting cannot find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-486/build; |
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| 19:45.45 | quitte | dacer: no the init script |
| 19:45.57 | dacer | quitte, ok |
| 19:46.07 | Vasistha | dererk: Let's see, if I were you I would 1) check http://linux-laptops.net and http://tuxmobile.org and see if your model laptop has good acpi support |
| 19:46.59 | dacer | quitte, http://pastebin.com/739950 |
| 19:47.09 | quitte | wtf. installing the backend pulls ttf fonts in |
| 19:47.15 | dacer | quitte, I also paste mythtv output |
| 19:47.32 | Vasistha | dererk: ... and 2) run /usr/bin/acpi_available and 3) check and see if an acpi daemon is running and 4) see if maybe all you need to do is get a gui app running that shows the battery monitor ! |
| 19:48.09 | Vasistha | dererk: scratch that step 2), you already know acpi is available |
| 19:48.17 | quitte | dacer: ok wait a little. im installing the backend right now |
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| 19:49.29 | dererk | Vasistha, yes, I didn't think in the chance that I didn't actually have to use apm, 'cause it uses acpi at all :P |
| 19:49.31 | netsurf3 | :( |
| 19:49.36 | netsurf3 | can someone help me or not |
| 19:49.44 | dererk | Vasistha, so now I'm installing the apps |
| 19:49.44 | netsurf3 | i would really like to finish this |
| 19:49.59 | dacer | quitte, I set mythtv-setup -> backend values as default: IP 127.0.0.1 ports 6543 and 6544 |
| 19:50.07 | dererk | netsurf3, sorry, I wasn't paying attention, that's your trouble? |
| 19:50.11 | nanok | netsurf3: why are you compiling from source, may i ask? |
| 19:50.15 | Vasistha | dererk: good luck! so you didn't even need to compile the kernel or anything :D well hey, if you get acpi working, that's awesome. My laptop doesn't support it |
| 19:50.21 | quitte | netsurf3: apt-get install module-assistant;m-a prepare;m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 19:50.37 | netsurf3 | nanok there are no prebuild moduies |
| 19:50.41 | dererk | Vasistha, I think mine doesn't too :P |
| 19:50.41 | nanok | netsurf3: if you are having trouble with this, you should just use debian packages (for the kernel and ndiswrapper) |
| 19:50.47 | nanok | there are non? |
| 19:50.51 | netsurf3 | nope |
| 19:50.54 | nanok | netsurf3: are you using m-a? |
| 19:50.54 | dererk | Vasistha, but let's try :P |
| 19:50.58 | netsurf3 | not in etch |
| 19:50.59 | tdsch | dacer: mythbackend errors should be in /var/log/mythtv |
| 19:51.04 | nanok | netsurf3: (sorry, i havent been following) |
| 19:51.07 | netsurf3 | nanok whats that? |
| 19:51.14 | nanok | netsurf3: modules-assistant |
| 19:51.19 | netsurf3 | ohh |
| 19:51.22 | netsurf3 | it is installed |
| 19:51.24 | Vasistha | dererk: well you were saying you have temperature readings. Have you looked on linux-laptops.net and tuxmobil.org to see if your laptop model supports acpi? |
| 19:51.32 | netsurf3 | but i dunno what it does |
| 19:51.33 | nanok | netsurf3: ok, but are you using it? |
| 19:51.40 | dererk | Vasistha, on my way |
| 19:51.42 | dacer | quitte, with Webmin->MySql->users, I see 2 mythtv users and have different "encripted" password. One users is localhost, and other is for any |
| 19:51.44 | quitte | netsurf3: look what i told you |
| 19:52.05 | quitte | dacer: ok good. just wait some more. my dsl line isnt the fastest |
| 19:52.26 | Vasistha | dererk: I'll be away for a while, good luck! |
| 19:52.29 | nanok | netsurf3: just type m-a at a console prompt, being root |
| 19:52.44 | dererk | Vasistha, thanks for all your help! have a nice day |
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| 19:53.29 | nanok | netsurf3: also, make sure you have the apropriate headers (or source) installed vor your running kernel |
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| 19:53.43 | netsurf3 | i thougth they were :/ |
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| 19:53.51 | netsurf3 | obviously not :( |
| 19:53.55 | quitte | nanok: thats what m-a prepare does |
| 19:53.56 | nanok | netsurf3: uname -r to find out the kernel version, apt-cache search to find the package with the headers |
| 19:54.09 | netsurf3 | m-a is helping me :) |
| 19:54.12 | nanok | quitte: oh, ok. forgot that |
| 19:54.15 | dacer | quitte, http://pastebin.com/739960 my log file |
| 19:54.28 | nanok | netsurf3: yes, it is. it is his job ;) |
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| 19:55.11 | nanok | !beer m-a |
| 19:55.13 | dacer | quitte, seems a channels problem? |
| 19:55.38 | quitte | nanok: it connects to the database just fine it seems.now you have to stop the backend. run the setup and setup your tv card |
| 19:55.38 | nanok | netsurf3: thanks. brown beer ongoing, here |
| 19:55.44 | netsurf3 | :D |
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| 19:56.31 | quitte | nanok: uhm franziskaner hefewizen usually is light opaque. unless you order it dark ;) |
| 19:56.37 | dacer | quitte, update with mythfilldatabase output: http://pastebin.com/739963 |
| 19:56.38 | netsurf3 | :D |
| 19:56.45 | netsurf3 | floating steamer haha |
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| 19:58.27 | quitte | dacer: 37. 2006-05-26 21:55:25.257 There are no channel sources defined, did you run the setup program? <- from your log |
| 19:58.40 | kreuter` | howdy, #debian. has anybody ever had the following problem with the synaptics touchpad driver: when I click and hold, the pointer moves northwest (up and left) until it reaches the top of the screen, then left to the upper left corner? |
| 19:58.43 | Virus01 | How can I run my DVD-Rom drive under Debian 3.1 (Drive: Combo Toshiba) |
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| 19:59.03 | kreuter` | um, s/click and hold/tap and hold/ |
| 19:59.19 | Blissex | kreuter`: you probably :-) |
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| 19:59.42 | dacer | quitte, mythtv-setup, of course |
| 19:59.45 | kreuter` | Blissex: indeed. also one guy who reported it in the ubuntu bugtracker and got no response. |
| 19:59.55 | ribnitz | Virus01: should just be recognised.. |
| 20:00.04 | kreuter` | it's sorta a hard thing to google for. |
| 20:00.06 | ribnitz | Virus01: at least most drives are. |
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| 20:00.15 | Virus01 | How? |
| 20:00.18 | netsurf3 | wait |
| 20:00.24 | netsurf3 | dont they need to be mounted? |
| 20:00.31 | netsurf3 | and fstab enteried |
| 20:00.36 | dacer | quitte, as said before, card is detected "Conexant CX22702 DVB-T", but when go to "channels detection" on mythtv-setup, always said, "failed to open card" |
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| 20:00.51 | ribnitz | Virus01: is you type 'dmesg|less', and the look for osmething like toshiba? |
| 20:00.52 | netsurf3 | dacer backend okay? |
| 20:00.52 | snickel1650 | I'm having trouble adjusting the font sizes for the system menu in applicatiosn like Gaim and Eclipse. I tried to alter the gtkrc file, but had no luck.. although, I think I'm just doing it wrong. I found a lot of gtkrc files, which directory should I look in? |
| 20:00.53 | quitte | dacer: adduser mythtv video |
| 20:01.05 | quitte | dacer: add the user to audio and cdrom,too |
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| 20:01.11 | Blissex | kreuter`: in case you were interested in changing that behaviour it may be that either the click events have a different format from the expected one, or that the driver is a bit buggy. I remember seeing reports of bugs. Ask in #Xorg |
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| 20:01.28 | quitte | dacer: you have to log out and back in after mythtv is in those groups |
| 20:01.43 | Adamant1988 | Ok, I just installed Debian Sarge over FTP... I've ended the installation and I'm at a command prompt, but using startX doesn't do anything for me |
| 20:01.43 | Blissex | snickel1650: there are two different 'gtkrc' files, one for GTk 1 and one for GTk 2, with somewhat different syntax. |
| 20:01.46 | kreuter` | Blissex: okay, thanks. |
| 20:01.55 | nkuttler | Adamant1988: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 20:02.10 | snickel1650 | ok, I think I have gtk 2 |
| 20:02.22 | dacer | adduser mythtv video El usuario `mythtv' ya es un miembro de video. "The user 'mythtv is already a member of video" |
| 20:02.31 | ribnitz | Virus01: found anything? |
| 20:02.32 | netsurf3 | nanok: ok this isnt fair the build program goes to 23% then 0% is it just tauting me? |
| 20:02.37 | Blissex | snickel1650: then it is called '.gtkrc-2.0' IIRC |
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| 20:02.49 | netsurf3 | nanok: nevermind |
| 20:02.52 | dacer | quitte, ok, i'm going to logout and login again |
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| 20:02.53 | netsurf3 | it finished :D |
| 20:02.57 | nanok | netsurf3: no, be patient. are there any errors? |
| 20:02.58 | dacer | have to chose chat |
| 20:03.00 | quitte | dacer: did you stop the backend before running mythtv-setup? |
| 20:03.04 | Virus01 | Sorry dont know where |
| 20:03.06 | quitte | dacer no need to |
| 20:03.21 | netsurf3 | nanok: see my last message :D |
| 20:03.22 | dacer | quitte, no I don't stop it |
| 20:03.23 | ribnitz | Virus01: Probing IDE interface ide0... / hda: _NEC DVD_RW ND-4570A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 20:03.37 | dererk | Thanks all |
| 20:03.42 | dererk | Have a nice day! |
| 20:03.46 | netsurf3 | cya dude |
| 20:03.59 | ribnitz | Virus01: open a terminal. then type 'dmesg|less', and then look for TOSHIBA |
| 20:04.01 | quitte | dacer: you have to stop the backend. mythtv-setup even tells you that. please start reading myths windows,too |
| 20:04.11 | Virus01 | ok |
| 20:04.31 | snickel1650 | Blissex: I have a folder in my etc/ directory called gtk-2.0, but in my root/.kde/shared/config directory, I have a regular gtkrc file |
| 20:04.32 | ribnitz | Virus01: Will probably turn out to be hda or hdb.. |
| 20:04.41 | dacer | quitte, ok, i'm going to stop backend, logout, login and run mythtv-setup |
| 20:04.51 | quitte | dacer ok |
| 20:04.52 | dacer | wait me (have to close chat) |
| 20:05.03 | kreuter` | Blissex: oh, I forgot that I'm using sarge, and so xfree86. will the people in xorg murder me? |
| 20:05.04 | netsurf3 | nanok: ahhhh crap i am getting invalid arguments on attempting to modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 20:05.26 | kspath | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 20:05.26 | dpkg | somebody said cooperation in asking for help was trying to give as much relevant information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about SICCO and research. abbreviated as cia |
| 20:05.45 | netsurf3 | !die |
| 20:05.46 | dpkg | I'll murder you netsurf3! Slice you into bits and feed you to my children! |
| 20:05.51 | netsurf3 | lmao |
| 20:06.15 | netsurf3 | !beer dpkg |
| 20:06.40 | blondie | error |
| 20:07.11 | netsurf3 | can someone tell me why this module is giving me an invalid argument error? |
| 20:07.18 | netsurf3 | ndiswrapper |
| 20:07.24 | Blissex | kreuter`: well, yes... |
| 20:08.00 | Blissex | kreuter`: try #XFree86 but the answer probably is that the Synpatics driver in Sarge has not been updated for recent versions of the pad... |
| 20:08.07 | benson | How to delete some Yahoo Offline Messages that I sent? |
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| 20:08.17 | quitte | netsurf3: what nic is that you are trying to get working? |
| 20:08.21 | abrotman | benson: wrong channel |
| 20:08.26 | benson | I am sure they have not yet been received. |
| 20:08.38 | abrotman | benson: stop trolling us .. |
| 20:08.48 | netsurf3 | quitte there are no nic configured yet is that the problem then? |
| 20:08.51 | kreuter` | Blissex: okay. thanks again. |
| 20:08.53 | benson | abrotman, I know, but I am the son of James Bower and affiliated with lilo. |
| 20:09.04 | Blissex | benson: use GPS to find the location of the server farm, and then buy an ICBM from a russian dealer :-) |
| 20:09.06 | quitte | netsurf3: maybe. but what nic is it? lspci? |
| 20:09.10 | abrotman | benson: i could care less .. it's not related to Debian .. |
| 20:09.23 | netsurf3 | quitte: it is belkin usbwlan |
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| 20:09.33 | netsurf3 | quitte: rt2500usb |
| 20:10.01 | quitte | netsurf3: hmm. does ndiswrapper even work with usb? |
| 20:10.09 | jind | Does anybody know of a similar program like coperinus websearch (windows software), but for lin? |
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| 20:10.32 | netsurf3 | quitte: yes :D |
| 20:10.35 | nanok | jind: is there anything wrong with google? |
| 20:10.36 | nanok | :P |
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| 20:10.51 | jind | Yes, it kind of only search in google |
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| 20:12.11 | quitte | netsurf3: http://etudiants.insia.org/~jbobbio/ural-linux |
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| 20:12.46 | Maulkin | kspath: BTW, please don't keep invoking !cooperation in asking for help and !sicco... |
| 20:13.06 | Maulkin | It's a nice idea, but just ends up adding to channel noise :) |
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| 20:14.02 | kspath | Maulkin: more noise than the trolls and morons? |
| 20:14.34 | netsurf3 | quitte: dont ralink have source for a modules? |
| 20:15.02 | quitte | netsurf3: huh? |
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| 20:15.59 | netsurf3 | quitte: can i build a module using this? |
| 20:16.01 | netsurf3 | http://www.ralinktech.com/supp-1.htm |
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| 20:17.32 | quitte | netsurf3: if that is your chipset,yes. |
| 20:17.57 | netsurf3 | quitte: why are there opensource projects still then? |
| 20:18.01 | netsurf3 | it is confusing |
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| 20:19.07 | dacer | quitte, had to dinner, thanks for your help (I can not get work, but thanks anyway) K|NgGh0sT Maliuta and others, thanks too |
| 20:19.07 | quitte | netsurf3: because free software is free and preferred by a lot of people over closed source eben if it works for the purpose you have. im one of those that wouldn't even use ndiswrapper if there is a free driver. even if it is slower or buggier or whatever drawback id have to live with |
| 20:19.12 | abrotman | benson: do you have any questions related to debian ? |
| 20:19.15 | benson | To all my channels: Does anyone have a contact number or address for Yahoo? It concerns my account. $10 PayPal to the first gentleman to bring it to me. |
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| 20:19.19 | dacer | have to go dinner |
| 20:19.35 | netsurf3 | quitte: but they have the source avalible :S |
| 20:19.35 | benson | abrotman, I USE Debian. Have a question? |
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| 20:19.54 | stew | benson: if you have a debian question, please get to it quickly, or move on... |
| 20:19.54 | abrotman | benson: you haven't asked a single question related to debian .. |
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| 20:20.17 | benson | abrotman, I have no questions. I have been using Debian since the Slinky days. |
| 20:20.18 | quitte | netsurf3: that is newer than what i showed you. maybe they took the source from the project i told you and improved it? or just put it on their support site? |
| 20:20.23 | benson | abrotman, I am here to offer my expertise. |
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| 20:20.32 | abrotman | benson: you haven't offered anything .. at all |
| 20:20.34 | Adamant1988 | I'm thinking my debian install got screwed up somewhere along the line |
| 20:20.45 | Adamant1988 | I don't have X at all it seems, should I just reinstall? |
| 20:20.45 | stew | benson: please keep it on topic at least |
| 20:20.47 | netsurf3 | quitte: dunno heh |
| 20:21.03 | netsurf3 | thanks for verifying that for me |
| 20:21.21 | stew | Adamant1988: apt-get install x-window-system-core ; and you probably want a window manager or desktop environment, like kde or gnome |
| 20:21.24 | quitte | netsurf3: install vrms |
| 20:21.36 | netsurf3 | whats that? |
| 20:21.44 | quitte | ask dpkg |
| 20:21.52 | netsurf3 | !vrms |
| 20:21.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... |
| 20:22.14 | netsurf3 | quitte: lol |
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| 20:22.31 | jclinton | wow |
| 20:22.40 | jclinton | someone has too much time on their hands |
| 20:22.47 | netsurf3 | mm hmm |
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| 20:25.07 | dondelelcaro | it's actually no big deal; it's basically just a frontend around a grep-status -FSection non-free -a -FStatus 'install ok' |
| 20:26.37 | jclinton | i admit that would make a funny april fools ITP |
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| 20:27.23 | unfo | hi all, sorry for OT, but what is a channel for gdb on C++ help other than ##c++? |
| 20:27.41 | quitte | jclinton: huh? vrms is an actual package you can install and use right now |
| 20:27.54 | jclinton | yes i know that |
| 20:27.58 | unfo | vrms is an excellent name for that package. :) |
| 20:28.15 | jclinton | i was pointing out that i think it's funny |
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| 20:29.00 | unfo | or, is there a general, language-agnostic coding channel? |
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| 20:29.40 | tripox | who |
| 20:29.55 | blondie | FLAIL |
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| 20:30.37 | unfo | blondie: all caps means shouting on IRC. please do not shout. |
| 20:30.44 | ribnitz | If I want to do a nice looking web interface for configuring a firewall (by adapting some config files), what is best to take: JSP, python? |
| 20:30.46 | nanok | byez |
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| 20:31.01 | unfo | ribnitz: python |
| 20:31.06 | blondie | unfo: really?! |
| 20:31.14 | unfo | blondie: yes |
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| 20:31.17 | ribnitz | unfo: got some pointers? |
| 20:31.34 | blondie | unfo: well I have loud music on so I need to shout. |
| 20:31.37 | unfo | ribnitz: there are like 10 in this here other Emacs buffer, want 'em? :) |
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| 20:31.55 | Nin | hi there! |
| 20:31.55 | unfo | blondie: when people are annoying, they get kicked out of the channel. |
| 20:32.12 | blondie | unfo: go away |
| 20:32.12 | kspath | unfo: actually that is somewhat rare |
| 20:32.27 | unfo | kspath: it happens. |
| 20:32.58 | blondie | unfo: they also get kicked for asking off topic questions |
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| 20:33.28 | kspath | blondie: actually that is somewhat rare |
| 20:33.33 | blondie | kspath: yes well |
| 20:33.34 | hjubal | ciao |
| 20:33.42 | blondie | he's being insolent |
| 20:34.29 | myren | crush the insolent fool |
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| 20:35.12 | blondie | myren: you're not the ukc myren are you? |
| 20:35.28 | myren | not as far as i know. what is the ukc? |
| 20:35.35 | blondie | um a uni |
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| 20:35.47 | blondie | sorry that was myran |
| 20:36.06 | scorn | okay, need a sanity check. can't access my usb flash drive. dmesg shows the device at /dev/sdb, and no errors, but no /dev/sdb is appearing. |
| 20:36.17 | scorn | worked last week. |
| 20:36.23 | scorn | any ideas? |
| 20:36.34 | scorn | expect I'm missing a module someplace. |
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| 20:37.04 | embrik | I'm trying to install a HP printer in my domestic network using localhost:631. I've given it a static ip-adresse, and I can ping it, but I can't get it to print. |
| 20:37.17 | quitte | i still can't get xend to work. i'd be glad if someone that has it working in sid could help me. |
| 20:37.24 | zorgan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.08 | unfo | embrik: "using localhost:631"? |
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| 20:39.16 | embrik | unfo:maybe localhost:631 is a module built in the debian-edu diostribution... |
| 20:39.39 | embrik | what is the debian way to install a network printer? |
| 20:39.58 | embrik | using kde |
| 20:40.14 | quitte | 631 is the internet printing ptotocol port used for cups |
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| 20:40.43 | meriad | nethack rules :) |
| 20:40.44 | meriad | fun game |
| 20:40.52 | quitte | embrik: apt-get install kdeprint |
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| 20:41.23 | quitte | embrik: and cupsys |
| 20:41.46 | quitte | embrik: ugh a network printer. then you need cupsys-client i think |
| 20:42.02 | embrik | quitte:what is the repository for kdeprint |
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| 20:42.18 | quitte | embrik: its in normal debian |
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| 20:45.32 | pete_welsch | hello - been having an issue with dpkg dying on me with the error |
| 20:45.32 | pete_welsch | dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
| 20:45.57 | pete_welsch | happens during everything from --version to apt-get install |
| 20:45.59 | unfo | pete_welsch: did you try other resources to fix it already? :) |
| 20:46.10 | abrotman | pete_welsch: what version of debian ? |
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| 20:47.07 | pete_welsch | abrotman - sarge - at this point i'm just looking for hints as to cause |
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| 20:48.26 | pete_welsch | unfo - just googling for the most part. |
| 20:48.34 | pete_welsch | sadly haven't seen any cases that were similar to mine |
| 20:49.04 | unfo | pete_welsch: maybe try dpkg-deb --version ? |
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| 20:50.20 | pete_welsch | that actually runs nice |
| 20:50.21 | pete_welsch | Debian `dpkg-deb' package archive backend version 1.10.28 (i386) |
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| 20:51.21 | unfo | pete_welsch: strace -eopen sudo dpkg --version |
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| 20:51.47 | unfo | oops |
| 20:51.52 | unfo | pete_welsch: sudo strace -eopen dpkg --version |
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| 20:53.31 | unfo | anyone know an easy way to build Watcom C/C++ which is now open source on Linux? or an alternate C++ debugger that is not gdb-based? |
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| 20:54.24 | pete_welsch | unfo - heh, yeah sudo :) |
| 20:54.36 | pete_welsch | got a lot back, naturally... anything to look for in particular? |
| 20:55.16 | unfo | pete_welsch: do you normally use sudo? |
| 20:55.33 | pete_welsch | unfo - yep |
| 20:55.47 | unfo | pete_welsch: what are the last few files it opens? any error or log-type files? |
| 20:56.17 | pete_welsch | open("/proc/sys/kernel/ngroups_max", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 20:56.17 | pete_welsch | open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY) = 3 |
| 20:56.17 | pete_welsch | open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 |
| 20:56.17 | pete_welsch | open("/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 |
| 20:56.17 | pete_welsch | dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
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| 20:57.01 | embrik | I haven't got authentication to install printer in kprinter. How do I give myself access? |
| 20:57.22 | unfo | embrik: just run kprinter as root? |
| 20:57.46 | abrotman | gah |
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| 20:58.02 | abrotman | pete_welsch: paste your /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg in #flood |
| 20:58.06 | unfo | pete_welsch: that was a big paste. :) I can't tell from what you pasted. |
| 20:58.18 | liran_ | I just saw this on a wallpaper- "In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?" heh |
| 20:58.29 | unfo | When you open Windows, bugs get in! |
| 20:58.32 | blondie | liran_: what world is that? |
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| 20:58.44 | embrik | unfo: I get this message when I try to run kprinter as root in konsole: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 20:58.44 | Althaser | where can I see X logs ? please |
| 20:58.45 | embrik | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 20:58.45 | embrik | kprinter: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 20:58.49 | unfo | hmm all, is "unknown option log" one clause? |
| 20:58.54 | liran_ | blondie: uhh, whatever :P |
| 20:58.54 | abrotman | embrik: stop running stuff as root |
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| 20:59.05 | unfo | abrotman: i suggested it with a '?' |
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| 20:59.36 | unfo | Althaser: /var/log of course |
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| 21:00.03 | embrik | abrotman: I'm just trying to install a printer in kprinter, but hvaen't got access to install any printer and I'm running aout of time |
| 21:00.17 | pete_welsch | abrotman - the only thing not commented out is log /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 21:00.18 | abrotman | embrik: try printconf |
| 21:00.41 | Althaser | unfo hum okay thanks |
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| 21:01.00 | abrotman | pete_welsch: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 21:01.03 | abrotman | pete_welsch: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:01.06 | jshriver | How can I setup the date and time using network time from the cli? |
| 21:01.16 | abrotman | !tell jshriver about ntp |
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| 21:01.43 | jshriver | hrm will give that a shot thanks brb |
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| 21:02.29 | jshriver | what package is tzconfig in? |
| 21:02.31 | pete_welsch | returns that same error |
| 21:02.32 | pete_welsch | dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
| 21:02.44 | embrik | abrotman: printconf Do you mean edit printconf? rintconf doesn't seem to be a command in konsole |
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| 21:02.46 | abrotman | pete_welsch: you can't run dpkg -l ? |
| 21:02.52 | abrotman | !info printconf sarge |
| 21:02.57 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
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| 21:03.12 | qweo | goodbye |
| 21:03.20 | pete_welsch | nope - don't know if you saw my original query - it borks on just about everything |
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| 21:03.27 | pete_welsch | can't even handle --version |
| 21:03.30 | embrik | I have a laserjet metwork printer.. |
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| 21:03.44 | snickel1650 | Everytime I restart my computer, linux forgets that mounted my windows partition. Is there anyway I can permanently mount it? |
| 21:03.49 | embrik | !info printconf sarge |
| 21:03.54 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 21:04.31 | unfo | abrotman: IIRC embrik has a network printing situation. |
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| 21:04.47 | abrotman | pete_welsch: run ... /lib/libc.so.76 |
| 21:04.48 | abrotman | pete_welsch: run ... /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 21:04.57 | abrotman | unfo: ah .. ok |
| 21:05.09 | jshriver | abrotman, thanks :) been trying to get that to work for a while now... the control panel in gnome never seems to work this is a lot easier :) |
| 21:05.17 | abrotman | pete_welsch: what is the version in the first line ? |
| 21:05.24 | abrotman | jshriver: yes it is :) |
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| 21:06.13 | abrotman | pete_welsch: alternately .. try commenting out that "log" option in the dpkg.cfg |
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| 21:06.43 | embrik | As abrotman said, I have a network printing situation. Anybody who can assist? |
| 21:07.09 | dondelelcaro | embrik: just ask the question(s) with as much detail as possible |
| 21:07.12 | abrotman | embrik: i don't own a printer .. i've just heard that printconf is magic :) |
| 21:07.20 | anto_nu_h | haii |
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| 21:08.41 | unfo | anto_nu_h: what does that mean? |
| 21:08.54 | pete_welsch | abrotman - apt-get install ran after commenting out the log option |
| 21:08.56 | abrotman | it was an attempt at "hi" |
| 21:09.06 | abrotman | pete_welsch: now .. dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:09.16 | embrik | I've given my printer an IP and I can ping it. I've tried to install in cups using the webinteface localhost:631, nothing happens. I've tried krpinter, I can find my printer here, but it stops in the prosess telling me that I haven't got authorisation to install a printer. |
| 21:09.24 | pete_welsch | abrotman - gotta ask what you meant by 'run ... /lib/libc.so.6' |
| 21:09.26 | unfo | abrotman: i knew that. |
| 21:09.34 | unfo | pete_welsch: type this: |
| 21:09.35 | unfo | /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 21:09.36 | abrotman | pete_welsch: try it |
| 21:09.38 | unfo | press Enter. |
| 21:09.54 | cureless | I need a recommendation for a text editor for _large_ data files... |
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| 21:10.28 | unfo | cureless: emacs is ok for 50MB or so.. past that, vim may be better. |
| 21:10.40 | brianski | cureless: less |
| 21:10.51 | abrotman | brianski: EDITOR |
| 21:10.54 | brianski | cureless: if you need to edit, use sed and grep |
| 21:10.57 | cureless | unfo: I'm a vim user, but even with the LargeFile plugin it still kind of sucks for 1gig files. |
| 21:11.03 | brianski | sed/grep/tail/head is the best editor |
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| 21:11.21 | unfo | cureless: your file is too big. |
| 21:11.46 | unfo | cureless: why so big? |
| 21:11.54 | cureless | unfo: tell me about it. (and it's not my file), and to top it of it's on an nfs mount |
| 21:12.03 | cureless | unfo: it's a simulation log file |
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| 21:12.15 | pete_welsch | abotman/unfo - ran /lib/libc.so.6 - what part of the output did you want? |
| 21:12.20 | unfo | cureless: split into pieces? |
| 21:12.21 | beardy | cureless: Att logrotate to the simulation. |
| 21:12.24 | beardy | add |
| 21:12.31 | cureless | beardy: hahaha, right. |
| 21:12.40 | unfo | cureless: y not? |
| 21:12.54 | cureless | because that's not how simulations work. |
| 21:13.03 | cureless | And, I need it complete for the visualizer. |
| 21:13.12 | unfo | cureless: perl? sed? |
| 21:13.27 | cureless | unfo: I used perl, sed and awk already for the automated things. |
| 21:13.57 | beardy | cureless: What does this simulate? |
| 21:14.07 | cureless | beardy: a network. |
| 21:14.33 | beardy | cureless: with an admin that breaks logrotation? |
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| 21:14.54 | unfo | cureless: a hex editor? |
| 21:15.08 | unfo | beardy: haha |
| 21:15.09 | cureless | beardy: you can't logrotate it, that's not how simulators work. |
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| 21:15.16 | iLLf8d | lo all |
| 21:15.29 | cureless | unfo: good suggestion, I might try that. |
| 21:15.30 | unfo | iLLf8d: hi, why the nickname? |
| 21:15.42 | unfo | cureless: apt-cache search hex editor of course. |
| 21:15.43 | iLLf8d | cause you need them to come on irc |
| 21:15.53 | unfo | iLLf8d: you mean on EFnet. not on freenode. |
| 21:15.55 | zimnyx | I wonder whether to install Sid/Etch or Ubuntu. I've been using debian for 4 yrs. What is your advise? What i mostly miss in debian is new version of software. |
| 21:15.56 | cureless | unfo: thanks, I know my way around. :-). |
| 21:16.05 | pete_welsch | unfo/abrotman - thanks for the help, this is looking good for now |
| 21:16.14 | unfo | cureless: ok i assumed 95% chance so :) |
| 21:16.15 | iLLf8d | unfo, I dunno I've been using this nickname on freenode for about 10 years now |
| 21:16.26 | iLLf8d | unfo why you so cranky? |
| 21:16.26 | unfo | iLLf8d: nobody's complained? |
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| 21:16.32 | unfo | iLLf8d: dunno why. |
| 21:16.34 | Vasistha | cureless: I wonder if a text-based vi or emacs would work? I don't use them, but they -might- be good with large files... I can definitely say that the graphical editors generally are not |
| 21:16.36 | iLLf8d | unfo nope just you |
| 21:16.40 | cureless | unfo: and I already have hexedit installed, too bad the compute server is on a fedora machine. |
| 21:16.47 | snickel1650 | is there an easy way to upgrade from stable to unstable? |
| 21:16.51 | unfo | didnt eat since breakfast. I still think it's odd nobody's complained though. |
| 21:16.53 | Vasistha | cureless: by "text-based" I mean "console-based" |
| 21:16.56 | cureless | Vasistha: I am a text-based vim user. I alread use the LargeFile plugin. |
| 21:16.59 | iLLf8d | unfo, thanks for the nickname patrol sorry if it bugsya |
| 21:17.05 | unfo | snickel1650: unstable breaks often. try backports instead |
| 21:17.09 | beardy | zimnyx: If you have been using it for 4 years, why are you 1) asking that 2) not choosing Debian without asking 3) aswell as ask here, ask #ubuntu? |
| 21:17.10 | Vasistha | cureless: and it's still not doin' it for ya, huh? |
| 21:17.14 | cureless | Vasistha: and yes, I mean console user. |
| 21:17.29 | cureless | Vasistha: it works, but it's still not good enough. |
| 21:18.06 | unfo | snickel1650: why would you want unstable? |
| 21:18.12 | iLLf8d | anyone else getting missing cidfmap error when run gs? |
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| 21:18.15 | cureless | I assume it's a mixture of factors, but it just sucks editing 1gig files, over the net. |
| 21:18.25 | Vasistha | cureless: yeah... hmmm. I guess you need something snappier? That's gonna be tricky. I mean, the FS dealing with a file that large already carries some significant overhead, I would expect |
| 21:18.28 | zimnyx | beardy: You helped me alot. |
| 21:18.31 | cureless | I'm going to have to script the cut-edit-merge part. |
| 21:18.31 | unfo | iLLf8d: in line with my crankiness :) http://bugs.debian.org/gs |
| 21:18.34 | snickel1650 | unfo: I'm kind of getting tired of out of date software |
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| 21:18.42 | unfo | snickel1650: so use ubuntu. |
| 21:18.48 | cureless | Vasistha: and you would be right. Though it should just load it into memory. |
| 21:18.59 | snickel1650 | that would require a total reinstallation though right? |
| 21:18.59 | unfo | snickel1650: really, why not backports of emacs, irssi, the stuff you use every day? |
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| 21:19.07 | unfo | snickel1650: ubuntu would. |
| 21:19.14 | iLLf8d | unfo, heh I was just looking for a workaround I'm pretty sure it exists (the bug) I think the files just in the wrong path and needs a symlink I was fishing =) |
| 21:19.21 | cureless | and the next file is 3 gigs... yuck |
| 21:19.24 | Vasistha | cureless: yeah, I think that's your best shot. script a cut-edit-merge tool... and I think editors are usually designed -not- to attempt to load 1GB of text into memory |
| 21:19.46 | brianski | me says again, sed/awk/perl/grep/head/tail |
| 21:19.48 | unfo | iLLf8d: check the bug report if so. |
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| 21:20.29 | beardy | zimnyx: So, you want "new software", why don't you just run unstable then (no I'm not saying you should), Ubuntu is a snapshot of unstable, and therefore it's older than unstable which changes all the time. |
| 21:20.40 | Vasistha | brianski: yeah, but what about when you just want to go in and tweak a few things that are only in place, not effecting the whole file? I mean... sure, you can with head/tail/grep/sed/etc but... geez, it's so tricky |
| 21:20.56 | zimnyx | beardy: i'm running Sid from beginning:) |
| 21:21.06 | unfo | cureless: I would be very surprised if *nobody* had ever written a suitable text editor. Maybe google very large file text editor? |
| 21:21.15 | th1 | hm beardy not having heard hte rest of the conversation.. but usually it's easy to build "unstable" packages for stable from source |
| 21:21.19 | brianski | Vasistha: you can get used to it :) |
| 21:21.20 | th1 | usually solves my problems |
| 21:21.35 | Vasistha | brianski: and what about when you're browsing through the file and see something that needs to be changed... rather than having to exit out of less and reload or whatever |
| 21:21.37 | unfo | I bet there are like 2000 text editors out there. |
| 21:21.44 | Vasistha | brianski: sure you can get used to it but it's still cumbersome |
| 21:21.49 | beardy | th1: Thankyou, but that doesn't make sense in this conversation. |
| 21:21.58 | brianski | ( head -uptoproblemline $file ; grep problemline | sed 's/problem/fix/' $file ; tail -afterproblemline $file ) >out |
| 21:22.03 | brianski | works for me with relative ease |
| 21:22.05 | th1 | ok beardy :) |
| 21:22.14 | cureless | unfo: probably, hence I came here to ask for a recommendation. :-) |
| 21:22.21 | Vasistha | unfo: for editing 3 GB large files over NFS? I don't think there are 2000 text editors geared towards that, no |
| 21:22.24 | cureless | unfo: but I'll probably stick with the split-edit-merge trick |
| 21:22.31 | brianski | Vasistha: as for exiting less and reloading that's what multiple console windows are for |
| 21:22.44 | brianski | there are text editors that are smart about not loading the whole file into mem tho |
| 21:22.48 | unfo | Vasistha: har har har |
| 21:23.12 | th1 | brianski, that'd account for about 99% of unix editors.. |
| 21:23.15 | Vasistha | cureless: how does it behave in viewers, e.g. less, or whatever you use? |
| 21:23.28 | brianski | suggest you look into the large file plugin someone was talking about before |
| 21:23.33 | Vasistha | brianski: I think he said he's already using it ! |
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| 21:23.45 | brianski | th1 - when was the last time you loaded a 3G file in an editor? |
| 21:23.47 | cureless | Vasistha: snappy in less. |
| 21:24.03 | th1 | brianski, when I last opened a dvd iso with emacs by mistake I think :) |
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| 21:24.15 | cureless | emacs plays dvds now?? |
| 21:24.20 | Vasistha | th1: hehheh oops |
| 21:24.30 | unfo | cureless: that would be a cool feature. |
| 21:24.32 | th1 | cureless, I'm sure you could make it :) |
| 21:24.40 | brianski | th1 - and was performance important to you in that situation ? ;) |
| 21:24.45 | benson | I paid $11 for a class of Irish Ale. |
| 21:24.47 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 21:24.47 | dpkg | well, tetrinet is multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
| 21:24.48 | brianski | or did you just kill the sucka |
| 21:24.54 | th1 | brianski :) in a way, I was just happy it didn't crash |
| 21:24.54 | unfo | emacs's graphics support isn't that good, you'd have to talk to, um, DRI? directly. |
| 21:25.00 | jhenn | how is gfdl non-free? |
| 21:25.03 | benson | Back in the day it would come out of taps for pennies a glass. |
| 21:25.03 | unfo | from within lisp ofcourse. |
| 21:25.04 | th1 | brianski: try it, it actually doesn't hurt |
| 21:25.05 | Vasistha | cureless: I wonder how nano is on that sorta thing? I have no idea what its memory management is like (be careful!) |
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| 21:25.18 | unfo | jhenn: http://wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL should explain the controversy |
| 21:25.19 | benson | Do you see what this world is coming to? |
| 21:25.19 | Eulex | !popcon |
| 21:25.19 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 21:25.40 | brianski | th1 - i know nano sucks at large files, adn that's my unix editor of choice |
| 21:25.42 | cureless | Vasistha: nah, I'm just going to split-edit-merge with some script-fu magic |
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| 21:25.47 | brianski | so yeah here come the nano flames |
| 21:25.53 | Erkethan | Hello all |
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| 21:25.59 | benson | He is SNIFFING traffic! |
| 21:26.17 | th1 | cureless, some stream thing might be the best.. what are you trying to do (sorry got here late) |
| 21:26.17 | benson | Ahahaha. Look at him go, folks. |
| 21:26.18 | Vasistha | cureless: sounds like a good solution ... though you might actually consider googling around to see if someone else has done something similar |
| 21:26.18 | abrotman | benson: really .. stop trolling |
| 21:26.19 | unfo | brianski: any debian user using nano deserves to be flamed. :) |
| 21:26.33 | benson | <Sh00pr> To sniff my traffic. |
| 21:26.37 | benson | Sorry. |
| 21:26.39 | benson | My apologies. |
| 21:26.43 | benson | Any Debian questions for me? |
| 21:26.49 | abrotman | you could /part .. that'd be a great help |
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| 21:27.01 | Vasistha | benson: lots of people have been asking debian quetions, have you not noticed? |
| 21:27.15 | abrotman | he's totally useless |
| 21:27.31 | beardy | unfo: No. |
| 21:27.33 | Erkethan | I've a "litte" problem during Debian install. |
| 21:27.45 | benson | Erkethan, All right. What is it? |
| 21:27.46 | beardy | Erkethan: Tell us then. |
| 21:27.54 | cureless | Erkethan: if your house is on fire, exit the house, then call 911. |
| 21:28.05 | Miesco | I get this when I try to connect to //localhost/ on my samba server: tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_WRONG_PASSWORD |
| 21:28.09 | cureless | ..or your local emergency number |
| 21:28.17 | Vasistha | unfo: I use nano sometimes for simple edits. I haven't had the inclination to invest in vi yet, maybe at some point I will, but it's something that I'll have to put time aside for |
| 21:28.34 | Erkethan | (I apology for my english, I'm french and I've a very poor english) |
| 21:28.35 | cureless | time invested in vi is time well spent. :-) |
| 21:28.41 | snickel1650 | I downloaded Azureus, and I'm trying to extract the tar.bz2 file using the tar -jxvf command, but it says that there is no such file or directory.. I'm pretty sure I've got the filename/directory correct |
| 21:28.49 | unfo | Vasistha: http://cream.sf.net - it's vim, but modified to be easy to use. |
| 21:29.00 | snickel1650 | I tried to extract it with ark, but it extracts and nothing appears |
| 21:29.07 | Vasistha | unfo: can it be apt-gotten? |
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| 21:29.14 | cureless | Erkethan: I apologize for my french. And along the way remind you there is a debian french channel if language gets in your way: #debian-fr |
| 21:29.17 | unfo | Vasistha: yes. btw Emacs is also not hard to use if you use the X Window version. |
| 21:29.29 | beardy | Erkethan: You haven't really tried using your english yet, it's probably fine, please describe your problem so we can help you? |
| 21:29.31 | Vasistha | actually, if I do decide to vim, I think I'll go through IBM's tutorials |
| 21:29.35 | brianski | unfo - nano's better than it used to be. it's got regex support and simple syntax highlighting now. and btw i compile from scratch - the debian version is ancient. |
| 21:29.39 | unfo | Cream's motto is "Cream makes the powerful Vim text editor easy!" |
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| 21:29.58 | unfo | brianski: nano still has limits and will always be more limited than the Big 2. |
| 21:30.12 | beardy | !start an editor war |
| 21:30.12 | dpkg | "cat >" blows |
| 21:30.15 | Erkethan | I've a Gigabyte K8NF-9 Motherboard with Gigabyte Ethernet. And Debian Install don't reconize it, and ask me what module I what to install for my Ethernet card. |
| 21:30.26 | brianski | unfo - probably, but i hate vi and have never bothered to learn emacs, so... |
| 21:30.27 | unfo | Erkethan: sorry to hear |
| 21:30.37 | Erkethan | And I've no idea whitch module work. |
| 21:30.42 | cureless | Erkethan: is that an nvidia motherboard? |
| 21:30.47 | unfo | brianski: why not? Start > Utilities > Emacs. |
| 21:30.53 | unfo | its easy to start using. |
| 21:31.15 | Erkethan | yes, nForce4 |
| 21:31.36 | cureless | Erkethan: most likely you need the nvidia drivers. |
| 21:31.42 | unfo | beardy: it isn't vim vs emacs, it's nano vs. the rest which is much more obvious. |
| 21:31.44 | brianski | unfo: shrug |
| 21:31.55 | beardy | unfo: And where is that method applied? it's 'emacs'.. |
| 21:31.56 | unfo | brianski: your loss not mine. |
| 21:32.05 | cureless | Erkethan: you might not be able to install debian via the net unless you get another ethernet card. (You'll be able to remove it later when you get the drivers installed). |
| 21:32.06 | unfo | beardy: what? |
| 21:32.29 | Erkethan | It's a possibility .. |
| 21:32.31 | cureless | Erkethan: or, there might be a project out there that has those drivers in an install disk, don't really know. |
| 21:32.49 | Erkethan | I have a old card on another PC.. Why not |
| 21:32.54 | Vasistha | unfo: thanks for the cream tip, I just might try it |
| 21:32.54 | cureless | Erkethan: I have a similar motherboard and that's what I did. (install first with other card). |
| 21:33.09 | Erkethan | I'll try that. |
| 21:33.11 | cureless | Erkethan: though I've been thinking of buying a real card to put it. |
| 21:33.16 | cureless | Erkethan: in*. |
| 21:33.16 | Erkethan | Thanks for this tips :) |
| 21:33.50 | cureless | Erkethan: I've been having some problems with buffer management with the card, specially at higher speeds and udp/nfs, which makes me think their driver is buggy. |
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| 21:35.07 | Miesco | How do I make my samba server not require authentication? |
| 21:35.30 | beardy | unfo: No, it's ceirtanly not obvious. nano is the editor which is available in the base system. Whineing about which editor is the "best" is pointless, especially in here. |
| 21:35.44 | brianski | miesco: you need to recomfrobulate the reconfigurator |
| 21:35.49 | beardy | To each his own. |
| 21:35.53 | poli | hello all! I have a mounted /tmp and everytime I mount it, the directory gets write perssion only for the owner. Is there some mount option (or some other way) to have /tmp remain globally writeable when I mount a partition on it? |
| 21:35.56 | cureless | Miesco: set the security to share |
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| 21:36.26 | beardy | !tell joy_division_1 -about root |
| 21:36.49 | unfo | beardy: isn't nvi in base? |
| 21:36.52 | Miesco | security = share |
| 21:36.55 | unfo | or zile? |
| 21:36.57 | Miesco | cureless: Thats what I have |
| 21:37.18 | cureless | Miesco: now make the shares public |
| 21:37.31 | beardy | unfo: Probably. Not many people that has never seen *vi can use that conveniently. |
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| 21:38.25 | unfo | beardy: true. but it has the full power of vi, except not the syntax coloring of vim. |
| 21:38.54 | unfo | so your argument of "vi/emacs are not in base" doesn't affect the debate. |
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| 21:39.22 | brianski | anything can turn into an editor flamewar |
| 21:39.27 | beardy | unfo: It's better to be able to do things than to sit and look at it "oh, that is so powerful, I wonder how I quit it" when configuring /etc/network/interfaces their first time, or simillar. |
| 21:39.38 | Miesco | cureless: How do I make them public? |
| 21:39.55 | unfo | beardy: yes. the first time. but later, it is worth learning something more powerful. my basic point is, nano is an inefficient editor. |
| 21:40.04 | wimpies | If arecord works it proves that alsa is able to capture |
| 21:40.13 | wimpies | why is mencoder not able to capture (or does mplayer claim 'nosound') |
| 21:40.28 | zzer | DroP: pls dont spam in here, or get ban >( |
| 21:41.05 | cureless | Miesco: isn't there a setting there? |
| 21:41.07 | beardy | unfo: Not if it gets the job done. And if used as a basic editor, it works fine, and is easy to figure out. After that, everyone can go in the direction they feel like. |
| 21:41.28 | cureless | Miesco: public = yes |
| 21:41.29 | beardy | unfo: To $FAVOURITE_EDITOR. |
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| 21:42.31 | Maulkin | !start an editor war |
| 21:42.31 | dpkg | nvi blows |
| 21:43.07 | Miesco | cureless: Now how do I make the changes in affect? |
| 21:43.35 | cureless | Miesco: ? what? you mean take effect? Like restart samba? |
| 21:43.39 | Erkethan | cureless: The old card (rest of an odl P2MMX) have been reconized. Thanks for all ^^ |
| 21:43.42 | Miesco | cureless: Yea |
| 21:43.55 | zimnyx | beardy: what you think about Gentoo then?> |
| 21:43.57 | cureless | Erkethan: a+ |
| 21:44.19 | unfo | beardy: my point is that a person who uses nano or perhaps even Kate for more than an hour a day would be be better served by a vi or an emacs. and i think you would agree. |
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| 21:44.33 | cahoot | wimpies: you get no sound playing any file with mplayer nd alsa? |
| 21:44.36 | unfo | zimnyx: whats wrong with gentoo? |
| 21:44.41 | beardy | zimnyx: This is #debian. I think you should run Debian. Why do you want to switch from Debian to something else? |
| 21:44.58 | Erkethan | And sorry for the french intrusion (but english rooms are always more alive and usefull than french..) :o |
| 21:44.59 | brianski | ok enough with the editor flamewar you jackasses |
| 21:45.14 | beardy | unfo: Yes. |
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| 21:45.24 | unfo | beardy: ok |
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| 21:45.59 | Miesco | cureless: I get this: tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_WRONG_PASSWORD |
| 21:45.59 | jair | anyone here is familiar with the array drives "equalogic"? |
| 21:46.21 | unfo | Erkethan: your English is fine. |
| 21:46.31 | beardy | brianski: If you had read what we said, you should have seen that that was not what it was. |
| 21:46.48 | beardy | s/what/that |
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| 21:47.08 | zimnyx | beardy: my only choice is Etch or Sid, but 1) sometimes dependencies are not met, 2) some interesting softwere is missing. |
| 21:47.25 | unfo | zimnyx: what is missing? |
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| 21:47.36 | unfo | zimnyx: if you have dependency problems, ask us for help. |
| 21:47.43 | beardy | zimnyx: Try whatever you want, and if you like it, use it. |
| 21:47.47 | kriel | I... uh... found the problem with my computer... -holds up the 12,000 errors from memtest86+ - |
| 21:47.50 | unfo | zimnyx: if you insist on a new stable every 6 months, use Ubuntu. :( |
| 21:48.05 | jair | I am trying to see if is possible to add a (drive volume) from an array drives (4tb) from the network. |
| 21:48.06 | unfo | kriel: really? memtest86 reported problems? |
| 21:48.10 | zimnyx | unfo: Sid is under constant development, it;s normal thing |
| 21:48.16 | jair | but I have debian sarge stable |
| 21:48.28 | unfo | zimnyx: yes, I am on Sid now and I wish I had used Sarge+backports instead. |
| 21:48.30 | jair | and the array is a equallogic one |
| 21:48.32 | cureless | Miesco: I don't know what that is off the top of my head. |
| 21:48.40 | brianski | kriel : it could be a memtest bug |
| 21:48.57 | zimnyx | unfo: i was using Sid for 4 yrs, and i never regret:) |
| 21:49.09 | unfo | zimnyx: I regret. |
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| 21:49.18 | kriel | brianski: yeah, but it said the problem was with AMD processors and test 5. this is Intel |
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| 21:49.47 | zimnyx | unfo: why? |
| 21:49.55 | unfo | kriel: if you have Windows, try SiSoft Sandra's memory diagnostics instead, |
| 21:50.03 | unfo | kriel: else try your PC maker's. |
| 21:50.09 | unfo | zimnyx: it broke once. |
| 21:50.20 | unfo | zimnyx: also, VLC is missing. |
| 21:50.25 | kriel | unfo: isn't the memory test in pro only...? |
| 21:50.33 | unfo | kriel: dunno |
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| 21:51.02 | embrik | I'm trying to install a network printer on my workstation, but can't get it to print. Doesn't seem I have authentication for it. Anybody? Ive used localhost:631 and kprinter, The printer has got static ip. and I can ping it. Kprinter even detects it itself |
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| 21:51.13 | jair | anyone here has ever attach a drive volume through the network? |
| 21:51.17 | chump | hey is there a good photo viewer in linux |
| 21:51.32 | chump | like the one that window's has where it just allows you to hit next button |
| 21:51.33 | unfo | embrik: you are spending a lot of time on IRC. if you post a message to debian-user you can get an answer more easily. |
| 21:51.46 | Vasistha | chump: there are several. A couple to check out are gwenview, kuickshow |
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| 21:51.48 | tobzter | what protocol jair ? |
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| 21:52.00 | beardy | kriel: Replace the RAM-stick that's bad then. |
| 21:52.06 | zimnyx | unfo: VLC is the reason? gmplayer is not enough? |
| 21:52.09 | unfo | chump: at www.lwn.net look for the Grumpy Editor's Guide to image editors. |
| 21:52.15 | Vasistha | chump: kuickshow can scroll through a directory using pgup/pgdn |
| 21:52.18 | unfo | zimnyx: it's just annoying not to have. |
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| 21:53.03 | Maulkin | chump: also see gthumb and cqview |
| 21:53.05 | zimnyx | unfo: i got VLC in packages. |
| 21:53.10 | chump | thanks guys |
| 21:53.11 | beardy | chump: Try feh, apt-cache search "image viewer" |
| 21:53.13 | chump | for all the info |
| 21:53.22 | unfo | E: Package vlc has no installation candidate |
| 21:53.35 | cahoot | chump: might as well getdigikam |
| 21:53.46 | unfo | chump: try them all till you find one you like. :) |
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| 21:54.14 | embrik | unfo: see your point. Thought the solution was a letter or two away. Won't bother you again. |
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| 21:54.32 | unfo | embrik: you were not doing wrong |
| 21:54.52 | beardy | wrf.. |
| 21:55.00 | unfo | it's not wrong to repeat your Q so long after, but you can save time by the ml. |
| 21:55.11 | chump | yeah honestly i just don't like how konquer opens up the image |
| 21:55.19 | chump | its really slow and doesn't size |
| 21:55.23 | chump | i have large images |
| 21:55.24 | unfo | chump: konq is not an image viewer. |
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| 21:55.34 | chump | and its a bitch to scrool through |
| 21:55.35 | chump | yeah i know |
| 21:55.40 | beardy | chump: not more than any browser, that is. |
| 21:55.42 | chump | but you can use it to view images |
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| 21:55.56 | chump | yeah thats why i'm looking for an image viewer |
| 21:56.12 | beardy | chump: And you got some to choose from. |
| 21:56.15 | Maulkin | chump: personally, I use gqview |
| 21:56.28 | Maulkin | chump: Have a look around, I'm sure you'll find one you like |
| 21:56.30 | zimnyx | unfo: http://pastebin.com/740219 |
| 21:57.07 | dondelelcaro | chump: feh is nice |
| 21:57.54 | dondelelcaro | (and it's got enough command line options to satisfy most people) |
| 21:58.00 | chump | gthumb is pretty swee |
| 21:58.03 | chump | sweet* |
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| 21:58.32 | Maulkin | dondelelcaro: ooh, I'll have to have a look at that |
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| 21:59.56 | Erkethan | It's done. I've my first Debian installed. :'-) |
| 22:00.08 | Maulkin | Erkethan: \o/ |
| 22:00.18 | NobodHere | hey all. Can anyone help with a weird gigabit/jumbo frames issue? |
| 22:00.42 | Erkethan | After a Mandrake8, a Fedora4 and a Mandriva, let's try Debiaaan :D |
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| 22:03.58 | beardy | NobodHere: Just ask. |
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| 22:05.12 | beardy | Erkethan: "/msg dpkg grounding" Then ask about "reference" atleast. Good luck. Ask if you need help later, |
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| 22:05.39 | chump | if the rest of my house uses windows how can i just look through the windows network? |
| 22:05.44 | NobodHere | well, I've got an e1000 card in a box running 2.6.16, and kernel messages, switch LEDs, and SCP/FTP transfer rates all point towards gigabit link speed. mii-tool/mii-diag both claim the card is running at 100BaseT. If I enable an MTU of 9000 on the card, small interactive traffic works fine since it doesn't come close to the MTU, but scp grinds to a halt, etc. |
| 22:05.47 | kriel | okay, does anybody have any ideas on how to test for a bad cpu? |
| 22:06.02 | beardy | chump: You mean file shares? |
| 22:06.20 | chump | yes |
| 22:06.22 | beardy | !samba |
| 22:06.22 | dpkg | samba is, like, a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 22:06.22 | kriel | chump: try going to network:/// in the file browser |
| 22:07.13 | chump | thx\ |
| 22:07.35 | beardy | chump: what kriel said, or install smbclient, and/or smbfs (sambafs?) and mount the shares. |
| 22:08.07 | beardy | chump: smbmout I mean perhaps, apt-cache search samba |
| 22:08.14 | beardy | smbmount |
| 22:08.29 | chump | yeah i know how to mount the shares i just don't like having to go to the computer to figure out the share name |
| 22:08.34 | beardy | kriel: Which is? |
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| 22:08.53 | kriel | beardy: if you give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day... |
| 22:08.53 | beardy | chump: smbclient then |
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| 22:09.09 | beardy | kriel: Ah. |
| 22:09.23 | NobodHere_ | yuck, sorry about that! Power failure knocked a bunch of stuff off |
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| 22:10.10 | NobodHere_ | anyway...i know the switch does jumbo frames, and I'm able to do jumbo frames between two other machines- but neither of the two other machines seem to be able to talk to the linux box w/jumbo frames enabled. |
| 22:10.17 | NobodHere_ | and I'm -stumped- |
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| 22:12.15 | usual | is limewire packaged? the apt bot says apt-get install limewire. |
| 22:12.24 | poli | Anyone using soft-RAID and LVM and dm-crypt knows why I get asked a "Enter passphrase" question boot time, before INIT, right after LVM activation? (Not related to /etc/crypttab) |
| 22:12.30 | crazy_penguin | good night, pleasent dreams! |
| 22:12.59 | Maulkin | usual: limewire is non-free |
| 22:13.04 | usual | ok |
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| 22:13.08 | brianski | NobodHere: i was under the impression you could only do jumbo frames with gige |
| 22:13.10 | usual | thought i had non-free in my sources.list |
| 22:13.15 | Maulkin | Or contrib... can't quite remeber |
| 22:13.32 | usual | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 22:13.38 | usual | ? |
| 22:13.43 | NobodHere_ | brianski: yes, I have gigabit. |
| 22:13.56 | NobodHere_ | link lights and kernel all confirm gigabit link. |
| 22:14.10 | NobodHere_ | as do transfers that happen at about 20MB/sec :-) |
| 22:14.19 | brianski | NobodHere, yo said:_/mii-diag both claim the card is running at 100BaseT |
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| 22:14.23 | brianski | was that a typo for 1000T ? |
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| 22:14.41 | NobodHere_ | nope. I'm not sure with the mii diags claim the 100baseT speeds, but clearly they're wrong. |
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| 22:14.58 | brianski | okay |
| 22:15.06 | unfo | hi all, how long would it take to install Blackdown Java + dear old Eclipse on Etch? Not counting download time. |
| 22:15.14 | NobodHere_ | can't do 20MB/sec over 100BaseT :-) |
| 22:15.22 | SerajewelKS | unfo: eclipse is however long it takes to untar |
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| 22:15.27 | NobodHere_ | but yes, I'm puzzled on it as well |
| 22:15.28 | unfo | SerajewelKS: cool! |
| 22:15.46 | ^sLayer | i need to add 10 seconds of black screen at the begining of a movie. anyone knows how to do that? |
| 22:15.47 | brianski | NobodHere_: i'd strongly suspect the cards |
| 22:15.56 | NobodHere_ | huh? |
| 22:15.57 | SerajewelKS | ^sLayer: hit pause before you play it |
| 22:16.04 | NobodHere_ | the card works at gigabit speeds. |
| 22:16.06 | brianski | if they claim they are running in 100Mb mode but you have told them to do gigabit ethernet with jumbo mode, something is wrnog there |
| 22:16.11 | unfo | one other thing. tar seems not to pause when it runs out of disk space, though other apps do. Why doesn't tar pause? |
| 22:16.20 | ^sLayer | SerajewelKS: lol |
| 22:16.23 | SerajewelKS | unfo: "pause"? |
| 22:16.30 | BojanZR | /server -m irc.zavisni.com |
| 22:16.30 | BojanZR | /server -m irc.zavisni.com |
| 22:16.32 | unfo | "block" |
| 22:16.32 | SerajewelKS | unfo: what does tar do instead? |
| 22:16.45 | unfo | SerajewelKS: "Out of disk space" then quits. |
| 22:16.47 | ^sLayer | SerajewelKS: i need to add 10 seconds to the avi file... |
| 22:16.55 | SerajewelKS | unfo: yes, that's what i would expect it to do |
| 22:17.04 | NobodHere_ | brian, with all due respect, you're not listening. the card is working at gigabit speeds, and the driver's dmesg output says 1000BaseT full duplex. |
| 22:17.06 | SerajewelKS | unfo: i'm not aware of many programs that block on disk space errors |
| 22:17.11 | unfo | I would like having the opportunity to free up disk space then resume untarring though. |
| 22:17.14 | unfo | SerajewelKS: some do |
| 22:17.25 | SerajewelKS | unfo: tar does not. make sure you have enough space before starting the untar. |
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| 22:17.50 | brianski | mii* inspect the state of the cards, do they not? |
| 22:17.56 | unfo | SerajewelKS: I think a MySQL database import? export? does. Is there a one-liner for me to find out how much space I will need? |
| 22:18.15 | NobodHere_ | yes. mii* also have man pages and help sections that don't mention 1000BaseT. Go look for yourself. |
| 22:18.18 | unfo | ah! it untarred ok. Thank God for debfoster. |
| 22:18.20 | SerajewelKS | unfo: is it a .tar.bz2 or a .tar.gz? |
| 22:18.26 | unfo | bz2 |
| 22:18.31 | brianski | NobodHere_: you're the one asking for help here. sheesh. |
| 22:18.39 | unfo | :) |
| 22:18.50 | SerajewelKS | unfo: then something like 'bzcat file.tar.bz2 | wc -c' might work |
| 22:18.51 | NobodHere_ | I'm asking for help with jumbo frames. |
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| 22:19.09 | unfo | SerajewelKS: whoa, didnt think of that, but it makes perfect sense. |
| 22:19.12 | SerajewelKS | unfo: that will give you the size of the tar file, which will be larger than the raw contents of the files |
| 22:19.28 | brianski | NobodHere_ yet you seem uninterested in debugging the problem. so, i'm uninterested in helping you. good luck and good day |
| 22:19.38 | SerajewelKS | unfo: considering filesystem structures, it's a good estimate though. should probably make sure there's a comfortable amount of extra space |
| 22:19.53 | NobodHere_ | brianski- mii-tool and mii-diag are depreciated, my mistake for mentioning them. |
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| 22:20.05 | unfo | SerajewelKS: yeah, I don't mind that offness. Now, off to tackle Open Watcom. |
| 22:20.29 | SerajewelKS | unfo: FWIW, use zcat on .gz files |
| 22:20.42 | NobodHere_ | I already debugged the problem to the best of my abilities, and I told you -very- clearly that the card is working at gigabit speeds. |
| 22:20.46 | NobodHere_ | several times I might add |
| 22:21.02 | brianski | i love this attitude |
| 22:21.03 | poli | Shouldnt I be able to mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-386 /mnt/tmp ? |
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| 22:21.03 | unfo | NobodHere_: if you repeat the question, maybe someone else will help you, maybe not. |
| 22:21.08 | krnl`- | hi all |
| 22:21.10 | unfo | poli: you should |
| 22:21.22 | brianski | something is broken, ask me to verify what's wrong, and i'll get pissy at you |
| 22:21.23 | unfo | poli: what fs type is the initrd? |
| 22:21.24 | brianski | beautiful |
| 22:21.31 | SerajewelKS | NobodHere_: just because the card is working at gigabit speeds does not mean that the kernel knows this, which might not allow jumbo packets |
| 22:21.34 | poli | unfo: Sarge shipped initrd |
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| 22:21.40 | poli | ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy |
| 22:21.41 | poli | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 22:21.41 | krnl`- | i would like to print all lines from a file that doesnt match a pattern. it's like the inverse of grep. isit possible? |
| 22:21.54 | unfo | poli: try this to see: file /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 22:21.58 | NobodHere_ | Sera- earlier I mentioned that dmesg output shows the kernel module is driving the card at 1000BaseT |
| 22:21.59 | kriel | ... uhm... what do you use to expand .gz files...? -hides under noob shield- |
| 22:22.03 | brianski | krnl - grep -v |
| 22:22.05 | unfo | krnl`-: grep -v "Make Money Fast" |
| 22:22.09 | krnl`- | thnx! |
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| 22:22.11 | unfo | krnl`-: gunzip |
| 22:22.13 | NobodHere_ | this is part of the reason I'm frustrated at brian. |
| 22:22.13 | unfo | oops |
| 22:22.23 | SerajewelKS | NobodHere_: okay, sorry don't know any more than that |
| 22:22.23 | poli | unfo: Linux Compressed ROM File System data |
| 22:22.23 | unfo | kriel: gunzip. All are noobs sometimes. |
| 22:22.27 | NobodHere_ | [17179643.368000] e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog_task: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex |
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| 22:22.47 | kriel | unfo: thanks ^^ and yeah, i know, but... -small shrug- |
| 22:22.51 | unfo | poli: try adding -t cramfs to the mount line. any error? dmesg? |
| 22:23.10 | unfo | kriel: not joking. I personally think not enough Linux n00bs use Debian. |
| 22:23.14 | poli | unfo: cramfs does the trick. Thanks. |
| 22:23.36 | unfo | poli: glad to be of help. |
| 22:23.51 | SerajewelKS | unfo: when i was a noob i used FICS channel 85 for help =) |
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| 22:24.14 | unfo | The Free Internet Chess Server (FICS) is a volunteer-run [6]Internet [7]chess [8]server. |
| 22:24.15 | poli | Free Chess? ;) |
| 22:24.25 | SerajewelKS | unfo: free internet chess server, channel 85 is the unix/linux channel |
| 22:24.30 | unfo | ah :) |
| 22:24.40 | unfo | I wonder if CB radio has a Linux channel. |
| 22:24.44 | kriel | unfo: well yeah. it's not easy. hell, i'm still trying to get my sound to cooperate all the way. i just kind of click till my speakers start making the right noises... |
| 22:25.36 | unfo | kriel: so ask your question to the channel, and perhaps me or someone else can help. for more help on describing symptoms, /msg dpkg ask |
| 22:25.54 | NobodHere_ | by the way, brian, in case you still don't believe me, the output from ethtool says the card is running at 1000BaseT, full duplex. |
| 22:26.12 | brianski | NobodHere_: enthralling, keep me posted. |
| 22:26.28 | NobodHere_ | what's your problem, dude? |
| 22:26.33 | chaedaeX | what type is initrd.img ? trying to manually mount it |
| 22:26.42 | unfo | chaedaeX: maybe it is cramfs |
| 22:26.55 | kriel | ... uhm... how do you switch windows using irssi ...? /me points at the [Act: 1,3] in the lower right |
| 22:27.06 | NobodHere_ | you went off on a huge rant about how my card wasn't operating at gigabit speeds and was "broken", when I told you I was transferring files at 20MB/sec. |
| 22:27.16 | unfo | kriel: one way is Escape then 1 or Escape then 3 |
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| 22:27.27 | asasa | when wil we have xgl on etch |
| 22:27.28 | asasa | ? |
| 22:27.35 | unfo | asasa: when it's stable. |
| 22:27.57 | asasa | and beagle search |
| 22:28.00 | unfo | kriel: I generally use ERC, it's a better IRC client than irssi IMO. It's more programmable. |
| 22:28.07 | unfo | asasa: is beagle open source(tm)? |
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| 22:28.37 | kriel | unfo: -small shrug- this one works, for now. -writes that one down to play with later- |
| 22:28.55 | asasa | unfo: but gnome-2.14 has it right? |
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| 22:29.12 | unfo | kriel: ok. make sure to write down the words: apt-get install erc |
| 22:29.29 | unfo | asasa: not AFAIK. |
| 22:29.33 | kriel | unfo: -smiles softly- apt has become my best friend over the past week or so... |
| 22:29.41 | unfo | apt is pure gold. |
| 22:29.58 | unfo | there is nothing even approaching Apt on windows. |
| 22:30.11 | brianski | NobodHere_: i will say this and then i will /ignore. one - i did not go off on a huge rant, if you reread i suspect you will see that. two - you said you were stumped, implying you'd tried everything and wanted a second opinion, so i offered suggestions. three - i find it quite humorous that you believe your problem to be the most important thing that happened to me all day. |
| 22:30.25 | brianski | oh drat. he left already. |
| 22:30.27 | unfo | brianski: it is impolite to have the last word and /ignore. :) |
| 22:31.04 | brianski | unfo: probably, but it's also impolite to ask for help and then be angered at the attempts to help |
| 22:31.17 | unfo | hmm, I guess it figures that InstallShield was bought out by Macrovision DRM. |
| 22:31.27 | unfo | brianski: that too. I was not following the convo. |
| 22:31.46 | unfo | helping can be frustrating sometimes. |
| 22:31.48 | kriel | Okay. for some reason, using 'gnome-volume-control' there's two tabs at the top. one says oss and one says alsa. ... aren't those supposed to be conflicting systems? ... ... and it's not behaving and reproducing the error, so... -pokes it- .... now you work... i see how it is... |
| 22:31.54 | brianski | unfo: i found it rather hilarious actually |
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| 22:32.27 | unfo | brianski: youre lucky. |
| 22:32.30 | obscuresoul | hi |
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| 22:32.36 | brianski | q: help me!!! a: did you try X? q: of course i tried A what is your problem?!?! |
| 22:32.39 | unfo | kriel: so use KDE instead. :P |
| 22:32.45 | unfo | brianski: haha |
| 22:32.46 | brianski | anyway i will cease wasting everyone's time with that |
| 22:33.01 | unfo | obscuresoul: hi, i like your nickname. |
| 22:33.09 | beardy | brianski: Fucktards come and go, yes. |
| 22:33.22 | kriel | unfo: don't tempt me. ><; i'm thinking about it, but konqueror is the only thing that bugs me... |
| 22:33.23 | unfo | but trollers never prosper |
| 22:33.33 | unfo | kriel: I use xfm |
| 22:33.43 | unfo | sorry xfe |
| 22:33.45 | obscuresoul | unfo, eheh thank you :P |
| 22:33.47 | unfo | well, or bash :) |
| 22:34.43 | unfo | nalioth: what do your nicks mean? |
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| 22:35.25 | unfo | kriel: try it... aptitude install xfe It's exactly like Windows NT 4 File Manager IIRC. |
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| 22:35.33 | unfo | which was a superb file manager. |
| 22:36.00 | kriel | unfo: i skipped from me to xp... oops... |
| 22:36.01 | nalioth | unfo: if you don't see nalioth, he aint around |
| 22:36.18 | unfo | nalioth: what does irequus mean? |
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| 22:36.25 | unfo | oh, recuse :) i get it |
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| 22:36.48 | nalioth | unfo: noir = black equus = horse |
| 22:36.59 | kriel | okay, way off the wall question... i've heard of software (i think it's called virtual PC) for windows that lets you literally have a second PC in a shell. it has it |
| 22:37.10 | kriel | s own emulated bios and everything. is there something like that for linux...? |
| 22:37.25 | unfo | nalioth: oh. "recuse" means something in English, I forgot what, like "escape". |
| 22:37.35 | ekkikrist | kriel |
| 22:37.56 | unfo | kriel: qemu+kqemu is half open source, vmware VMServer(tm) is a free beta. |
| 22:38.01 | chaedaeX | cramfs: wrong magic can't mount initrd.img |
| 22:38.04 | ekkikrist | kriel: Maybe qemu. |
| 22:38.11 | mattt | vmware kicks ass |
| 22:38.24 | kriel | ekkikrist: woo. thanks. |
| 22:38.30 | unfo | I find VMServer Beta(tm) a bit unstable occasionally. |
| 22:38.39 | unfo | tho it is a beta, I expected more. |
| 22:39.05 | unfo | VMware GSX never used to crash, and VMServer is the same thing but relabeled, right? |
| 22:39.42 | unfo | chaedaeX: try googling for the error message. (insert plug for surfraw(1) here) |
| 22:39.52 | ekkikrist | hail surfraw |
| 22:39.55 | unfo | :) |
| 22:40.08 | mattt | yeah, vmware isn't 100% stable ... (vmware server that is), but it's nice for testing and mucking about with. |
| 22:40.15 | unfo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.52 | unfo | Combined with incremental text browsers, such as links, w3m (or even lynx), and screen(1), or netscape-remote a Surfraw liberateur is capable of research speeds that leave GUI tainted idolaters agape with fear and wonder. |
| 22:41.13 | unfo | gotta love that package description |
| 22:41.25 | mattt | what's netscape-remote? |
| 22:41.41 | unfo | dunno, sounds old. |
| 22:41.56 | unfo | didn't netscape4 link against motif or something? |
| 22:42.01 | chaedaeX | unfo: surfraw(1) hehe |
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| 22:42.18 | unfo | chaedaeX: you need the 1, else it doesn't sound like software. |
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| 22:43.16 | Shadowcat | it's your shift now! |
| 22:43.31 | mattt | aww, debian doesn't work w/ vmware tho? |
| 22:43.45 | unfo | kriel: feel free to ask as many questions as you want, as long as you try to ask each in a mostly ontopic place. FREENODE REFERENCE CARD: ##linux #debian ##unixlove ##c ##c++ #perl #php #windows #vmware ##help-unofficial #swhack |
| 22:43.59 | kriel | Shadowcat: ... -blinks, and throws an 's' in front of the 'he'- Waiwait. My shift? Nuh-uh... |
| 22:44.02 | unfo | sorry for caps, shouldntve used em. |
| 22:44.17 | kriel | unfo: words are words. ^^ |
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| 22:44.33 | unfo | "shouldntve" is a word too darnit :) |
| 22:45.04 | unfo | kriel: see also: http://google.ca/search?q=irc+search+engine http://www.googlegroups.com |
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| 22:45.48 | kriel | okay, okay... one more. >>; <<; ... 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' asks for a bus ID (or something close) and whenever i try and put in the numbers from 'lspci' it says it's invalid. what does it want? |
| 22:46.00 | unfo | kriel: you do not need to type in a bus ID. |
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| 22:46.03 | jade | for the utility "time", where can I find the man page? man time shows "No manual entry" |
| 22:46.07 | unfo | leave it blank. |
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| 22:46.18 | unfo | jade: man bash-builtins |
| 22:46.22 | jade | unfo, thanks |
| 22:46.25 | unfo | np |
| 22:46.29 | beardy | kriel: Enter, just hit enter, don't put anything in that field, unless you have two or more graphic cards. |
| 22:46.40 | kriel | unfo: i want to do dual monitor, though... stop reading my mind ><; |
| 22:46.54 | unfo | kriel: beardy: unfo |
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| 22:47.03 | lostson | i use a 4 monitor setup |
| 22:47.08 | lostson | duals just wasnt enough |
| 22:47.12 | mattt | 4? wtf? |
| 22:47.15 | unfo | oops or was that unfo: kriel: beardy :) |
| 22:47.17 | lostson | fun fun |
| 22:47.21 | ibob63 | just install sarge and it doesn't seem to boot gui. how do I start the gui? |
| 22:47.40 | beardy | lostson: And everyone stands in aw of the penis. ;) |
| 22:47.43 | kriel | ibob63: are you sure you installed the gui? |
| 22:47.46 | unfo | lostson: you must have a big desk. |
| 22:47.51 | unfo | beardy: language pls |
| 22:47.57 | lostson | beardy: lol good one |
| 22:48.03 | beardy | unfo: .. |
| 22:48.06 | ibob63 | kriel: well I clicked the desktop installation |
| 22:48.10 | unfo | ibob63: apt-get install x-window-system-core kde kdm |
| 22:48.13 | beardy | unfo: psl? And you talk about language? |
| 22:48.19 | beardy | pls |
| 22:48.22 | kriel | ibob63: did you use the enter key or teh spacebar key? |
| 22:48.32 | unfo | beardy: you win. s/pls/please |
| 22:48.35 | unfo | :) |
| 22:48.43 | exobyte | how can I find out info on eth0 (dev info, not ifconfig info). I need to know what module it uses (or what to enable in the kernel) |
| 22:48.54 | unfo | exobyte: look thru the output of lsmod |
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| 22:49.02 | kriel | ibob63: yeah, just do what unfo said to do... that'll install it for you. |
| 22:49.13 | unfo | exobyte: oops I take that back |
| 22:49.19 | DarkCow | Is the unstable branch actually stable enough for a desktop? |
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| 22:49.34 | unfo | exobyte: what is your eth card's model and pci id? (do lspci) |
| 22:49.37 | unfo | DarkCow: no |
| 22:49.48 | beardy | DarkCow: No. unstable is unstable, that's why it's name is unstable. |
| 22:49.52 | unfo | DarkCow: whats wrong with stable? |
| 22:49.53 | exobyte | unfo: it's an embedded system |
| 22:49.56 | ibob63 | unfo, kriel: I am installing the x-window-system-core and then will try again. I don't think I had this :( |
| 22:50.01 | unfo | exobyte: lspci |
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| 22:50.02 | DarkCow | unfo, it's old |
| 22:50.10 | SeMb0y | i cant start my x server |
| 22:50.10 | unfo | DarkCow: so? |
| 22:50.15 | kriel | ibob63: make sure you do kde and kdm, too. |
| 22:50.18 | beardy | DarkCow: But if you want "newer software" or simillar, try etch, but things can break there too. |
| 22:50.27 | DarkCow | I want the newest versions of things for my desktop |
| 22:50.32 | unfo | DarkCow: why? |
| 22:50.43 | DarkCow | unfo, because |
| 22:50.45 | DarkCow | that's why |
| 22:50.59 | beardy | DarkCow: Then you should already be running unstable, if you'd know how to do it, and until you do, run stable. |
| 22:51.04 | unfo | DarkCow: you won't mind if upgrades break your installation sometimes? |
| 22:51.17 | kriel | DarkCow: newer means more unstable. Basically, you get to be the test dummy... |
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| 22:51.27 | DarkCow | Okay |
| 22:51.29 | DarkCow | sounds fine |
| 22:51.37 | DarkCow | It's just that I'm put off a bit by the name |
| 22:51.46 | beardy | DarkCow: That's good. |
| 22:51.50 | SeMb0y | ;(someone help me - i cant connect to x server ;( |
| 22:51.56 | unfo | DarkCow: so leave the channel, install unstable, and don't bug us if you have problems. Unstable is unsupported. :) |
| 22:51.57 | jhenn | is ubuntu consideried a fork of debian? |
| 22:51.58 | DarkCow | I've had absolutely no problems with testing on my server |
| 22:52.06 | unfo | jhenn: I think so. |
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| 22:52.40 | unfo | DarkCow: testing is semi-supported. It's better than unstable. But do you know what backports.org is |
| 22:52.43 | unfo | ? |
| 22:52.47 | DarkCow | unfo, are the other branches actually supported? |
| 22:52.51 | DarkCow | unfo, yeah |
| 22:52.55 | unfo | DarkCow: stable is supported. |
| 22:53.11 | beardy | DarkCow: Depends on what you are asking, and what you are running. |
| 22:53.12 | DarkCow | Does it have to be officially supported to get help from here? |
| 22:53.15 | unfo | testing is mostly supported. |
| 22:53.20 | beardy | DarkCow: No. |
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| 22:53.27 | beardy | DarkCow: Or, what do you mean? |
| 22:53.34 | DarkCow | excellent |
| 22:53.34 | unfo | DarkCow: If you use unstable I will not support you. |
| 22:53.40 | DarkCow | okay then |
| 22:53.49 | Cyberwolf | hello, somebody Spanish speech? |
| 22:53.52 | unfo | !es |
| 22:53.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:54.09 | unfo | Cyberwolf: :) |
| 22:54.18 | unfo | DarkCow: consider backports. |
| 22:54.35 | DarkCow | I tried it |
| 22:54.40 | unfo | and? |
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| 22:55.12 | DarkCow | but I didn't like it, for some reason that I now can't remember |
| 22:55.18 | unfo | DarkCow: try. :) |
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| 22:55.45 | unfo | Cyberwolf: por usar #debian-es, uso este command: /JOIN #DEBIAN-ES |
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| 22:55.57 | Vasistha | DarkCow: well ... I can definitely remember the reasons not to like unstable. things break from time to time and it's a pain |
| 22:56.02 | beardy | DarkCow: If you are prepared to fix things when they break, and report bugs often, then you can try unstable, but don't expect help if you run it and ask basic questions. |
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| 22:56.16 | ribnitz | is there a (free?) tool that can play .ram (real audio)? |
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| 22:56.35 | resiak | Any ops around? DroP is an on-join spambot. |
| 22:56.48 | unfo | DarkCow: if you are a newbie, use stable. if you are more experienced, you should be fine with testing. do not use unstable. |
| 22:56.54 | Rob314159 | hmm for me running unstable was the only way to get the basic thing to work (ATI 9800) ... :-) |
| 22:56.56 | DarkCow | unfo, I'm not a newbie |
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| 22:57.27 | unfo | DarkCow: consider ubuntu stable instead of debian unstable. And I assumed you are not a newbie since you have used backports. I am just writing general advice to all. |
| 22:57.28 | DarkCow | I'll take a look at the package versions from testing and unstable, and then make a decision |
| 22:57.31 | jhenn | is debian the only distro that filters non-free? (are we allowed to discuss 'distros' in this channel)? |
| 22:57.35 | Cyberwolf | ok |
| 22:57.40 | ribnitz | DarkCow: If you are new to the ways debian works, don't use unstable. also dont if you expect your things to work... |
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| 22:57.47 | cheal | DarkCow: Debian doesn't "officially" support releases in terms of user support. however, you can guess that you'll get more help here if you have problems with a release which is rather optimal for you to use than if you chose to run something not appropriate |
| 22:57.50 | unfo | jhenn: ubuntu sort of filters it. |
| 22:57.54 | ribnitz | BTW: is amarok still broken? ;( |
| 22:58.00 | jhenn | unfo: yeah they have universe |
| 22:58.08 | unfo | jhenn: they have restricted too |
| 22:58.14 | jhenn | unfo: restricted? |
| 22:58.14 | beardy | jhenn: It doesn't filter it, it's either available, or not, the choice is yours. |
| 22:58.19 | cheal | ribnitz: #debian-kde ? |
| 22:58.31 | saintshakajin | they have multiverse too :-p |
| 22:58.35 | jhenn | beardy: a better word would have been catagorized? |
| 22:58.45 | resiak | !ops DroP is an on-join spambot. |
| 22:58.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin: resiak complains about: DroP is an on-join spambot. |
| 22:58.47 | unfo | jhenn: yess |
| 22:58.50 | jhenn | what is restriced? |
| 22:58.59 | unfo | jhenn: non-free |
| 22:59.01 | jhenn | i thought all non-free was in multiverse |
| 22:59.04 | unfo | jhenn: no |
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| 22:59.27 | leenux | ls |
| 22:59.28 | beardy | !dfsg |
| 22:59.28 | dpkg | i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 22:59.37 | beardy | jhenn: ^^^ |
| 22:59.40 | unfo | i remain spamfree. |
| 22:59.43 | Ironhand | from: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html : [...] and copy the following files from the Debian archives to the stick <-- where exactly in the Debian archives should I look for the right vmlinuz, initrd.gz and syslinux.cfg, for making an installer bootable from an USB memory device? |
| 22:59.55 | unfo | Ironhand: use the cdrom. :) |
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| 23:00.10 | Ironhand | thanks unfo, that was so helpful :-P |
| 23:00.24 | unfo | Ironhand: what i mean is, why do you want usb boot? |
| 23:00.26 | jhenn | so debian is a democracy? |
| 23:00.38 | *** mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by ChanServ |
| 23:00.39 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.102.156.201] by Maulkin |
| 23:00.39 | *** kick/#debian [DroP!n=maulkin@debian/developer/neilm] by Maulkin (you should know better) |
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| 23:00.44 | ribnitz | jhenn: not really. |
| 23:00.46 | cheal | jhenn: eh? |
| 23:00.49 | unfo | jhenn: it's all quite political. |
| 23:00.51 | Ironhand | unfo: because I want to be able to install Debian to servers without having to install a CD-ROM drive |
| 23:01.03 | unfo | Ironhand: look into preseed. /msg dpkg preseed |
| 23:01.20 | DarkCow | Okay, looks like testing probably has new enough packages for me |
| 23:01.25 | unfo | There was a tutorial? utility? put out by HP last week for preseeding. It was on digg. |
| 23:01.34 | jhenn | im wondering why RMS doesn't recommend debian than |
| 23:01.51 | Maulkin | ta resiak |
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| 23:02.05 | ribnitz | jhenn: Well, debian ghas a peculiar notion of free. |
| 23:02.14 | Ironhand | unfo: no reply from dpkg |
| 23:02.17 | unfo | jhenn: if you listen to RMS, you will never be able to listen to an MP3 or watch a DVD again. |
| 23:02.21 | unfo | !preseed |
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| 23:02.31 | resiak | Maulkin: No worries. I'll re-abandon this channel now =) |
| 23:02.37 | Maulkin | resiak: :) |
| 23:02.41 | beardy | jhenn: Because of non-free, and perhaps something more. FSF runs Debian anyway (I think, atleast they have been) |
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| 23:02.46 | unfo | Ironhand: odd. well, look on digg for it. |
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| 23:03.01 | jhenn | unfo: i could live with that |
| 23:03.04 | ribnitz | jhenn: RMS is nice for like 2 hours. After that, you see things. |
| 23:03.05 | beardy | jhenn: Debian is the best option you have if you want Free anyway. |
| 23:03.14 | SerajewelKS | unfo: i can't listen to MP3 as it is, vorbis sounds too good =) |
| 23:03.22 | jhenn | ribnitz: go away |
| 23:03.25 | unfo | jhenn: i have a cave i could sell you for only 300 million dollars :) |
| 23:03.36 | Maulkin | There was actually some interesting points in the Intel talk at DebianDay in Mexico |
| 23:03.42 | kriel | question/suggestion to whoever makes the debian installer: put in a line telling you to use the spacebar when it first asks about package selection. (desktop environment, ftp/mail server, custom packages...) |
| 23:03.44 | unfo | SerajewelKS: cf. shoutcast.com |
| 23:03.55 | mattt | Maulkin: you went? |
| 23:03.58 | beardy | kriel: /msg dpkg reprtbug |
| 23:03.58 | Maulkin | DVDs should be available soon |
| 23:03.59 | ribnitz | SerajewelKS: TRhe prlblem is that portalbe Cd players usually do OGG/Vorbis.. |
| 23:03.59 | unfo | kriel: g-i will fix it. |
| 23:04.01 | unfo | !g-i |
| 23:04.05 | Maulkin | mattt: I'm one of the organisers :) |
| 23:04.06 | dondelelcaro | kriel: what would be better is to just make them all consistent. |
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| 23:04.16 | mattt | Maulkin: funky! i'd love to go to something like that. |
| 23:04.20 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: doesn't sound like a problem to me |
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| 23:04.27 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: granted i can't figure out what you said, so... |
| 23:04.27 | migiel | where can i find the kernel .config for the latest net-install's ? |
| 23:04.28 | dondelelcaro | kriel: if you see places where they're not consistent in the newest betas, please file wishlist bugs asking for specific changes if they're not already filed. |
| 23:04.32 | unfo | !g-i is the Debian graphical installer. It will be ready when it's ready. |
| 23:04.32 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
| 23:04.34 | Maulkin | mattt: Come to DebConf7 :) |
| 23:04.35 | mattt | Maulkin: why mexico? seems hella far from most people no? |
| 23:04.47 | beardy | Hopefully never.. |
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| 23:04.59 | Maulkin | mattt: Was the Venue this year. Helsinki before that, Brazil before that, Oslo before that... |
| 23:05.04 | mattt | Maulkin: well, i just started using debian ... if i'm still using next year i'll consider. :) |
| 23:05.05 | unfo | beardy: c'mon :) |
| 23:05.13 | mattt | Maulkin: where next year? |
| 23:05.17 | poli | Any address where I can find the process of generating initrd when the kernel package is upgraded? My initrd has some wrong scripts and I need to find out how to prevent them from getting to upgraded versions. |
| 23:05.19 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, g-i is <reply> g-i is the new graphical installer; it has already been integrated into d-i, and newer install images should have it |
| 23:05.19 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 23:05.29 | kriel | dondelelcaro: whoever else said something: well, to someone who's never used debain before, it's not exactly obvious. it took me like four installs to figure it out... |
| 23:05.34 | Maulkin | mattt: Probably UK or Bosnia |
| 23:05.41 | beardy | Oh, help us all.. |
| 23:05.46 | mattt | Maulkin: UK would be very convenient. :) |
| 23:05.46 | unfo | dondelelcaro:sorry, i stand corrected then |
| 23:05.52 | dondelelcaro | kriel: sure... but no one will be able to fix them if you don't file bugs about it |
| 23:05.54 | Vasistha | unfo: I kinda love that about debian -- "it'll be ready when it's ready" -- it's just not on anyone's schedule, it's on its own schedule. (new to english? pay attention to those apostrophes!) |
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| 23:05.58 | Maulkin | mattt: Namely, Edinbugh in the UK |
| 23:05.58 | ribnitz | SerajewelKS: You have those small, silvery disks with music on, clled compact disc. Then you have portable players (like IPods, but takes CDs), and then you figure that if those cds contain ogg/vorbis files, your cd player will no longer be able to play them. |
| 23:06.13 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: yeah. that's not what you said. |
| 23:06.14 | mattt | Maulkin: that'd be great, edinburgh is expensive tho. |
| 23:06.20 | unfo | Vasistha: correct. quality is more important than setting firm deadlines. |
| 23:06.21 | dondelelcaro | kriel: because the developers use it all the time, they sometimes don't see the usuability issues as clearly. |
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| 23:06.24 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: you said that portable cd players usually do ogg vorbis |
| 23:06.26 | Maulkin | mattt: Not too expensive by the looks of things |
| 23:06.39 | mattt | Maulkin: i think it's on par with London. |
| 23:06.42 | kriel | dondelelcaro: yeah, tell me about it... Xx; ... okay... -pokes around for a place to file el bugs- |
| 23:06.46 | Maulkin | mattt: No, much cheaper :) |
| 23:06.51 | ribnitz | SerajewelKS: they usually don't unfortunately (In fact, I havbent yet found one who does). |
| 23:06.52 | dondelelcaro | !tell kriel -about reportbug |
| 23:07.10 | mattt | Maulkin: you sure? i was there for a rugby game this year, hotel was very expensive and food was much like you would pay in london. maybe other facilities are cheaper though. |
| 23:07.14 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: for me lack of deadlines is what makes FOSS so cool -- aside from the fact that i hate deadlines, you're not pressured to release 1.0 in a year whether it's horribly broken or not. |
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| 23:07.23 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: yes, that's what i thought was the case, which is why i was confused |
| 23:07.34 | Stevie-O | woah |
| 23:07.41 | mattt | Maulkin: actually, public transit is much cheaper in edinburgh. :) |
| 23:07.46 | lws | anybody know how to get debian installed on a drive connected to a Broadcom HT1000 Sata controller? |
| 23:07.46 | unfo | SerajewelKS: unless you're RedHat or Suse or Novell |
| 23:07.46 | Stevie-O | was there a major release wrt. xorg recently? |
| 23:07.57 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-O: multiple, yes. |
| 23:08.01 | unfo | Stevie-O: see topic |
| 23:08.03 | ribnitz | SerajewelKS: So for the moment I rely on mp3, usually at 160 kbit/s. |
| 23:08.03 | SerajewelKS | unfo: hence, i use debian =) |
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| 23:08.10 | unfo | SerajewelKS: :) |
| 23:08.14 | migiel | does anyone know where i can find a kernel .config for the latest net-install's ? |
| 23:08.18 | SerajewelKS | unfo: sarge's release "schedule" is a perfect example of what i'm talking about |
| 23:08.22 | unfo | !repeat |
| 23:08.22 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:08.32 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: i don't use CDs ;) |
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| 23:08.47 | Ironhand | unfo: I'm afraid searches on digg.com didn't turn up anything for "preseed"... odd that files required for something mentioned in the official install manual are so hard to find |
| 23:08.47 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: my campus is wired so i can listen to music from my box after installing vlc |
| 23:08.57 | ribnitz | Thats different. At home, I use flac, where possible. |
| 23:09.09 | unfo | Ironhand: info about preseed is hard to find. ask abrotman next time you see him online. |
| 23:09.12 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: i also use my palm and pocket tunes for audio on the go |
| 23:09.20 | SerajewelKS | ribnitz: that usually happens with SD cards |
| 23:09.31 | mattt | Maulkin: what is the ratio of devels to non-devels at debconf? |
| 23:09.33 | unfo | Ironhand: there may be other PXE install options, I dunno. |
| 23:09.33 | Vasistha | I've heard quite a few audiophiles swear by itunes format, but haven't the equipment to really test myself |
| 23:10.29 | Ironhand | unfo: and preseed includes or can help me create the syslinux.cfg required for USB install? |
| 23:10.29 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: itunes is AAC, which is MP4 IIRC |
| 23:10.29 | ribnitz | mattt: At fosdem is was moslty devs.. |
| 23:10.29 | unfo | Ironhand: preseed is for remote network installation. |
| 23:10.30 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: i think ogg vorbis beat it by a tiny, tiny margin in double-blind tests |
| 23:10.30 | Stevie-O | unfo: the topic mensions sarge, but i'm on sid |
| 23:10.30 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: basically you can't tell unless you're using $200 headphones |
| 23:10.30 | unfo | !preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, ask abrotman for details |
| 23:10.30 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
| 23:10.31 | mattt | ribnitz: ah, i see. |
| 23:10.36 | Ironhand | unfo: oh, I was looking for certain files required for the USB installer, not the remote network installer |
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| 23:10.40 | ribnitz | mattt: but thats not debconf |
| 23:10.56 | Stevie-O | unfo: abrotman will certainly appreciate that :) |
| 23:10.57 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: nice to know. how many mainstream audio players will actually play ogg? |
| 23:10.58 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: but given the implications and licenses of various options... i'll take vorbis even if AAC is marginally better |
| 23:11.01 | edison | Help how can i install lame to encode mp3 ? |
| 23:11.02 | unfo | Stevie-O: so change it. |
| 23:11.04 | _Marca_ | entao eu instalei o debian-br-cdd certo mais so foi possivel a instalação com a opção de boot linux pci=off sinao era impossivel, mais agora com o sistema funfando ele nao reconhece placa de rede nem som nada pci e agora o que eu faço |
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| 23:11.06 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: most of them with the proper codec |
| 23:11.07 | unfo | Stevie-O: :) |
| 23:11.11 | Stevie-O | unfo: Why? I'm not abrotman :) |
| 23:11.12 | unfo | !pt |
| 23:11.13 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:11.21 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: well yeah, but how many will accept a new codec? |
| 23:11.23 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: basically all linux players do, WMP will with a small plugin, winamp and VLC do OOTB |
| 23:11.29 | pbryan | Anyone seen this? ImportError: /usr/lib/libesd.so.0: symbol snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_size_near, version ALSA_0.9.0rc4 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference |
| 23:11.45 | unfo | pbryan: google for it? |
| 23:11.49 | pbryan | It's really new. |
| 23:11.57 | pbryan | In last sid upgrade (24 hours). |
| 23:12.00 | unfo | pbryan: then deja.com |
| 23:12.04 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: I was thinking more in terms of ipod-style portable players |
| 23:12.09 | Maulkin | mattt: 50% ish |
| 23:12.16 | Maulkin | Anyway, bed time for me. |
| 23:12.18 | Maulkin | Laters |
| 23:12.19 | ribnitz | unfo: do they still exist? |
| 23:12.22 | priscila | _Marca_: please speak english or join at debian-br |
| 23:12.23 | mattt | ttyl! |
| 23:12.25 | unfo | pbryan: or http://bugs.debian.org/insertthenameofthebuggypackagehere |
| 23:12.34 | unfo | ribnitz: now owned by google. |
| 23:12.40 | pbryan | unfo: which package would you pick? |
| 23:12.47 | unfo | pbryan: dunno :) |
| 23:12.58 | pbryan | unfo: It's probably libesd? |
| 23:13.03 | unfo | could be. |
| 23:13.04 | ribnitz | unfo: thought so. |
| 23:13.16 | unfo | deja.com is faster to type. |
| 23:13.23 | chump | what is the linux gazzete? |
| 23:13.35 | unfo | chump: it's the traditional Linux news source |
| 23:13.43 | unfo | chump: I now read www.lwn.net instead |
| 23:14.05 | unfo | it's better written, though shorter. :( and non-free |
| 23:14.24 | chump | thanks |
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| 23:15.11 | chump | reading |
| 23:15.14 | unfo | thingfish: welcome back |
| 23:15.14 | chump | i hate reading |
| 23:15.29 | thingfish | unfo: you're too kind :) |
| 23:15.36 | unfo | what? |
| 23:15.46 | deano | is there anyway to specify cron jobs to run by the second? |
| 23:15.55 | kriel | does anybody know where to find a list of what happens in the install? i don't want to run it again just to see what it does... Xx |
| 23:16.18 | thingfish | unfo: i.e. thanks |
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| 23:16.26 | thingfish | unfo: I meant, thanks unfo, you're a sweetheart. |
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| 23:16.39 | migiel | does anyone know where i can find a kernel .config for the latest net-install's ? |
| 23:16.51 | unfo | or do they ship McAfee? McAfee is better. thingfish: i'm honored |
| 23:16.56 | unfo | !tell migiel about repeat |
| 23:17.07 | yereth | what's a decent tool to format drives and create partitions? something like the one used in the debian installer |
| 23:17.18 | cheal | migiel: which netinst? |
| 23:17.20 | unfo | yereth: gparted is even better. |
| 23:17.23 | thingfish | unfo: I'm honored that you're honored. |
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| 23:17.29 | beardy | deano: Not to be run by cron, and probably not by anything else either, what's the job? |
| 23:17.29 | unfo | thingfish: etc.+1 |
| 23:17.34 | yereth | unfo: gpart? |
| 23:17.50 | unfo | yereth: yes, or qtparted. but if you want console mode use cfdisk instead. |
| 23:17.55 | migiel | cheal: [i386] the latest etch |
| 23:18.04 | deano | beardy: just a shell script to grab some files over nfs |
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| 23:18.10 | yereth | lol |
| 23:18.18 | unfo | deano: did you know deano - 2 = beano? |
| 23:18.19 | beardy | deano: Why seconds? |
| 23:18.26 | yereth | unfo: cfdisk says "FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap" |
| 23:18.30 | cheal | migiel: Linux 2.6? |
| 23:18.31 | jlaw | !tell yereth -about testdisk |
| 23:18.35 | migiel | cheal: yes |
| 23:18.36 | unfo | deano: nothing personal of course, just couldnt help noticing. :) |
| 23:18.53 | deano | well i think a minute will suffice |
| 23:19.06 | unfo | ah! the - in -about must mean "dont repeat it to me". cool. |
| 23:19.16 | beardy | deano: Most likely yes. man 5 crontab |
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| 23:19.19 | unfo | yereth: phone a consultant. |
| 23:19.27 | unfo | yereth: I am only half-kidding. |
| 23:19.30 | yereth | jlaw: I'm not actually aware fo anything being wrong with my disk actually |
| 23:19.31 | beardy | !tell ropbo -about root |
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| 23:19.41 | deano | beardy: thank you |
| 23:19.53 | cheal | migiel: which Linux image flavor (486, 686, etc.)? |
| 23:19.53 | beardy | deano: You're welcome. |
| 23:19.56 | mattt | deano: while sleep 1; execute job; done |
| 23:20.14 | jlaw | yereth: testdisk is also for recovering partitions and data and for fixing the partitiontable |
| 23:20.25 | yereth | why is it so easy to partition your disk with the debian bootdisk, and so hard when it is installed? |
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| 23:20.29 | unfo | void main() { for(;;) { fork(); } } |
| 23:20.33 | yereth | jlaw: alright... |
| 23:20.49 | migiel | cheal: 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 23:20.50 | kriel | can somebody say my name please? |
| 23:20.55 | unfo | kriel: ping |
| 23:21.03 | kriel | unfo, thanks. |
| 23:21.03 | jlaw | yereth: it is easy if you use the right tool !-) |
| 23:21.10 | ApEtc | kriel: foo |
| 23:21.10 | cheal | migiel: you could find it in linux-image-2.6.15-1-486 |
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| 23:21.20 | unfo | kriel: it doesnt add sound effects if you are in-channel. you have to join another channel for the full effect. |
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| 23:21.32 | migiel | cheal: really..? ok thx, i'll check there then! |
| 23:21.42 | jlaw | yereth: but testdisk is not for partitioning, only for solving some probs ... thought you had some because i was lacking the context |
| 23:21.49 | cheal | migiel: really |
| 23:21.55 | epsilon | sound-over-tcp/ip? |
| 23:22.16 | yereth | jlaw: alright.. I have a complete physical disk that needs to be formatted completely and made into reiser |
| 23:22.17 | kriel | unfo, what I was looking for was to see what color it came up in. ^^; -sees colors easier than words- |
| 23:22.43 | jlaw | yereth why do you want to use reiser? |
| 23:22.43 | unfo | yereth: save your most important data to CD-ROM before you start, then try to fix your partition table. |
| 23:22.56 | yereth | jlaw: right now it's a NTFS disk |
| 23:23.00 | yereth | jlaw: why not? |
| 23:23.01 | unfo | yereth: some versions of reiser are unreliable, |
| 23:23.15 | epsilon | only 'some'? |
| 23:23.30 | yereth | unfo: fix my partition table? for what? |
| 23:23.30 | unfo | epsilon: fine, all :) |
| 23:23.33 | unfo | yereth: they overlap. is it an LBA/BIOS problem? dunno. |
| 23:23.35 | jlaw | yereth, well ... it depends on your needs. but most people would appreciate a journeling system |
| 23:23.45 | yereth | so never mind that then, I'll make it EXT3.. whatever |
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| 23:24.15 | yereth | unfo: I have no clue.. I don't even know what is meant by 'overlap' |
| 23:24.24 | jlaw | yereth, you can use riser if you think it serves your needs. i have three reiser partitions !-) |
| 23:24.28 | yereth | I'm not aware of having done anything wrong in partitioning |
| 23:24.40 | yereth | jlaw: ext3 will be fine as well I guess |
| 23:24.45 | yereth | reiser is suppose to be fast |
| 23:24.56 | unfo | yereth: neither do I. I would look on google for more info, but I would be very wary about changing anything if cfdisk gave me an error message. |
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| 23:25.01 | unfo | yereth: reiser is unreliable. |
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| 23:25.34 | yereth | unfo: alright.. first things first.. I have 2 disks.. one is my main disk now.. the other one needs to be completely formatted |
| 23:25.36 | lws | Anybody have any idea how to get Debian installed on drive attached to a Broadcom BCM5785 ? |
| 23:25.39 | lws | SATA controller |
| 23:25.48 | yereth | unfo: how do I format it and turn it into ext3? |
| 23:25.48 | lws | The sarge installer doesn't seem to include drivers |
| 23:25.50 | unfo | yereth: you did not do anything wrong in partitioning, but somehow something caused you to get an error message. |
| 23:25.52 | jlaw | yereth, erm ... no. i think ext3 is faster in average ... i think reiser is faster when searching files ... and it has some more features for rescueing data |
| 23:25.56 | unfo | lws: |
| 23:25.57 | unfo | !giyf |
| 23:25.58 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW, and see http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 23:26.10 | priscila | lws: did you ask google? |
| 23:26.13 | unfo | lws: oops, I just wanted the first bit to come in. |
| 23:26.15 | chump | does any one play the old game Tribes? |
| 23:26.29 | lws | Yeah of course I googled it. |
| 23:26.35 | unfo | lws: sorry |
| 23:26.36 | yereth | jlaw: alright.. so I will use ext3 |
| 23:26.41 | Vasistha | heh, someone made a domain fuckinggoogleit.com ... brilliant |
| 23:26.44 | yereth | unfo: I will mind the error later |
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| 23:27.04 | unfo | no, rude, just like the goatse webmaster. |
| 23:27.05 | beardy | chump: Is it in Debian? |
| 23:27.11 | yereth | unfo: I first want to completely empty a disk, completely format it.. a PHYSICAL disk, not a partition |
| 23:27.11 | unfo | beardy: it is not. |
| 23:27.16 | kriel | -laughs at the google thing- ^^; |
| 23:27.21 | chump | tribes |
| 23:27.27 | chump | no its an old windows game |
| 23:27.27 | epsilon | BTW, if you run 2.6 kernel, think of using xfs |
| 23:27.35 | chump | i'm just looking to see if wine works for it |
| 23:27.36 | unfo | epsilon: why???? |
| 23:27.46 | epsilon | why not? |
| 23:27.47 | beardy | chump: Try then :) |
| 23:27.52 | friedl | dpkg - command not found. what package do i need? |
| 23:27.53 | jlaw | yereth ... you may also use your ntfs partition - believe me ... it works XP |
| 23:27.58 | chump | i've never used wine |
| 23:28.06 | beardy | !tell friedl -about search |
| 23:28.12 | beardy | chump: It's not hard. |
| 23:28.13 | jlaw | yereth ... depending on what you esteem to be working !-) |
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| 23:28.15 | yereth | jlaw: why would I want to keep the NTFS? |
| 23:28.16 | unfo | chump: sudo apt-get install wine && wine setup.exe http://appdb.winehq.org if any problems, if appdb doesn't help ask in #winehq |
| 23:28.44 | friedl | beardy: sry didn't mean to be rude, but could u just please post the answer |
| 23:28.46 | jlaw | yereth ... because you like challenges !-) |
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| 23:28.50 | beardy | !prize unfo |
| 23:28.56 | yereth | ow fuck it |
| 23:29.00 | chump | sweet thanks |
| 23:29.01 | unfo | beardy: thanks! :) |
| 23:29.04 | mattt | aww, ponies are cute. |
| 23:29.11 | jlaw | i am cute |
| 23:29.22 | friedl | yes u r |
| 23:29.23 | jlaw | wanna ride me^^ |
| 23:29.28 | yereth | can ANYONE just tell me how to completely format a PHYSICAL disk and turn it into one ext3 partition? |
| 23:29.33 | kriel | ... -blinks- ... how come I'm a girl, and I think ponies look stupid...? ... |
| 23:29.43 | jlaw | fdisk |
| 23:29.45 | unfo | !TELL yereth -about repeat |
| 23:29.55 | mattt | kriel: hahaha, reeelax. |
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| 23:30.02 | priscila | jlaw: if it isnt a joke, you're on wrong channell :) |
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| 23:30.19 | beardy | friedl: Well, what are you trying to install. That looks like you were trying to run dpkg as a non-root user? |
| 23:30.21 | yereth | unfo: my question was really easy, you guys started to get all kinds of other stuff involved in the issue |
| 23:30.24 | Vasistha | yereth: I prefer cfdisk |
| 23:30.27 | kriel | mattt, don't mean it. >P -should prolly be saying this to jlaw too |
| 23:30.30 | yereth | I just wanted a simple answer to a simple question |
| 23:30.35 | unfo | kriel: aptitude install emacs && emacs M-x doctor RET just kidding :) |
| 23:30.45 | jhenn | yereth: there is a gparted live cd out somewhere. |
| 23:30.46 | yereth | Vasistha: cfdisk doesn't run as it says one of my partitions is overlapping |
| 23:31.04 | beardy | yereth: You were told about testdisk. |
| 23:31.12 | mattt | kriel: :) |
| 23:31.15 | unfo | yereth: if cfdisk gives you a warning about your partition table, back up your data. |
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| 23:31.17 | christor | Hi |
| 23:31.21 | unfo | hi |
| 23:31.22 | yereth | beardy: testdisk doesn't partition does it? |
| 23:31.28 | Vasistha | yereth: if you are absolutely certain you want to destroy it, you can use dd to overwrite the mbr, then cfdisk shouldn't complain |
| 23:31.46 | christor | Just for info , I have installed a raid1 on my linux, How can I check if it works properly? |
| 23:32.01 | yereth | Vasistha: I don't know about which drive cfdisk is complaining |
| 23:32.08 | friedl | Well I run kde on debian and i wanted to install Kde theme changer so as root i wrote: dpkg -i kdethemechangerfile.deb and the error i got was command not found |
| 23:32.13 | unfo | christor: type this: mount |
| 23:32.18 | Vasistha | yereth: do you know which drive you want to wipe? |
| 23:32.24 | yereth | Vasistha: logical partition 6, it says |
| 23:32.24 | beardy | yereth: If you had read about testdisk, you'd know. Do as unfo said. No, testdisk tries to repair partition table breakage, and can recreate "lost" partitions/partition tables. |
| 23:32.33 | yereth | Vasistha: /dev/hdb |
| 23:32.48 | yereth | beardy: as far as I can see there's nothing lost |
| 23:32.51 | Vasistha | friedl: are you root? Because normal users don't usually have sbin directories in their $PATH |
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| 23:33.01 | Vasistha | yereth: so you want to cfdisk /dev/hdb |
| 23:33.02 | kriel | apt-get install catfoodmaker |
| 23:33.04 | christor | unfo: yes and? I have my md disk |
| 23:33.07 | yereth | now first, I want to fucking remove my other disk, so I can actually USE it to back up my data |
| 23:33.12 | jlaw_ | damn ... lost connection |
| 23:33.12 | unfo | kriel: aptitude install cowsay |
| 23:33.19 | beardy | yereth: Are you trying to wipe the disk completely, delete all data permanently? |
| 23:33.22 | christor | but how can I check that the data are properly save in case of prob |
| 23:33.38 | yereth | beardy: YES, that's what I'm trying to say all the time |
| 23:33.40 | Vasistha | yereth: and if that gives you the partition error, then I'll give you instructions for dd |
| 23:33.43 | beardy | yereth: You said there were partition problems when running cfdisk. |
| 23:33.44 | kriel | unfo, what's that do...? oo;; |
| 23:33.45 | unfo | christor: ok, copy a large file to it, and run a diff, any differences? |
| 23:33.46 | yereth | the NTFS disk must go |
| 23:33.56 | friedl | now I've installed it but there's several libraries I don't have so the program doesn't work. seemes like I've gotta stay up a few more hours before this works. but thanks for the help guys and girls xD |
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| 23:33.58 | yereth | Vasistha: it works |
| 23:34.02 | christor | unfo: ?? |
| 23:34.08 | friedl | can I please have a pony too? |
| 23:34.10 | yereth | Vasistha: logical or primary partition? |
| 23:34.16 | Vasistha | yereth: do you need to securely delete the data that is on there so it is unrecoverable? Or do you just want to format the disk so you can use the entire thing? |
| 23:34.20 | yereth | I am creating a new partition |
| 23:34.30 | unfo | christor: ask someone else. :) |
| 23:34.40 | obscuresoul | i'm using xcdroast, but i need to install prodvd support to be able to write dvds. i can't find any package related with prodvd. how can i solve this? |
| 23:34.41 | yereth | Vasistha: format and reuse it for ext3 linux purposes |
| 23:34.46 | unfo | friedl: of course! they're free. |
| 23:34.47 | unfo | !prize friedl |
| 23:34.55 | beardy | friedl: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 23:35.04 | unfo | !pony friedl |
| 23:35.09 | yereth | Vasistha: I do not need to make sure it is unrecoverable |
| 23:35.12 | beardy | friedl: You use aptitude or apt-get to install packages. |
| 23:35.26 | Stevie-O | mount: Function not implemented |
| 23:35.27 | Stevie-O | blah |
| 23:35.27 | Vasistha | yereth: okay, so does the drive show that any partitions exist at all? if so then you can delete them, and a primary partition is fine, doesn't matter primary vs logical |
| 23:35.32 | unfo | !pony is dpkg gives you a pony! Yay! |
| 23:35.32 | dpkg | unfo: okay |
| 23:35.32 | friedl | Scrubs... J.D: Kylie's for week bootyembargo was finally over. Kylie: I have a gift for you. J.D: god, i hope its sex.., or a pony. i bet its sex cause i dont see a pony. |
| 23:35.42 | unfo | friedl: |
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| 23:35.44 | unfo | !pony |
| 23:35.44 | dpkg | pony is, like, dpkg gives you a pony! Yay! |
| 23:35.56 | friedl | Woohoo |
| 23:36.03 | yereth | Vasistha: what is the difference between primary and logical? |
| 23:36.12 | beardy | friedl: You use 'apt-cache search <packagename>' to search for packages. Packagenames do not contain .deb |
| 23:36.24 | ZoRn | how can i close a program like i have done quit from the menu |
| 23:36.25 | Vasistha | yereth: uhm... gtfw ;-) it doesn't really matter to you, I don't think |
| 23:36.26 | beardy | !tell friedl -about reference |
| 23:36.31 | beardy | !tell friedl -about search |
| 23:36.33 | ZoRn | amule fg |
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| 23:36.48 | yereth | Vasistha: alright :) |
| 23:37.04 | unfo | ZoRn: right click the tray icon near your clock. choose Quit. |
| 23:37.14 | unfo | !forget giyf |
| 23:37.14 | dpkg | unfo: i forgot giyf |
| 23:37.18 | ZoRn | no i mean like kill |
| 23:37.24 | unfo | !giyf is Google Is Your Friend |
| 23:37.24 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
| 23:37.28 | ZoRn | i wanna do it at some time |
| 23:37.37 | Stevie-O | !pony unfo |
| 23:37.44 | unfo | ZoRn: man pgrep && man pkill |
| 23:37.56 | unfo | Stevie-O: thanks!!! |
| 23:38.03 | Stevie-O | No problem. |
| 23:38.04 | beardy | unfo: Why did you remove that factoid, did you check it before removing it? |
| 23:38.08 | unfo | beardy: yes |
| 23:38.18 | Stevie-O | What did it say before? |
| 23:38.22 | unfo | 1sec |
| 23:38.26 | Stevie-O | Google Isn't Your Friend ? |
| 23:38.38 | Vasistha | yereth: you might have to reboot your computer after saving the new partition table ... I'm not sure. Also when you exit cfdisk I think you have to type 'yes' |
| 23:38.51 | Stevie-O | Vasistha: running 'hdparm -z' as root will work |
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| 23:39.05 | ZoRn | but will it save all its things |
| 23:39.07 | Stevie-O | At least it always has for me |
| 23:39.37 | v_w | ok im trying to setup a usb based net install of debain. My problem is that when i setup the 2gb usb pin drive using "# zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda" It only allows for 122.7mb of free space on the drive for me to put the netinstall iso image which is 128.7. The other instructions they provide to make the usb drive bootable i cant get to boot. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 23:39.37 | ZoRn | because i dont want to lose his work |
| 23:39.46 | Vasistha | Stevie-O: curious... even if the drive has mounted volumes? |
| 23:39.47 | yereth | Vasistha: I can't seem to select ext3 as a type |
| 23:39.55 | Vasistha | yereth: ext2 is fine |
| 23:40.03 | yereth | no no |
| 23:40.06 | yereth | ext3 |
| 23:40.12 | Stevie-O | Vasistha: Egads, you're rearranging partitions that are mounted? |
| 23:40.12 | beardy | yereth: Use ext2, add a journal if you want later. |
| 23:40.23 | yereth | well I want a journal |
| 23:40.37 | beardy | yereth: And besides, the filesystem is created by mkfs.ext3 |
| 23:40.39 | Stevie-O | to add a journal: tune2fs -j /dev/foo |
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| 23:40.46 | yereth | why can't I select ext3? |
| 23:40.51 | paq | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx1S1fTegZE |
| 23:40.55 | Stevie-O | because that would be Too Easy |
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| 23:41.20 | beardy | yereth: Because it doesn't differ from ext3, ext 3 is ext2, with a journal. |
| 23:41.28 | simulcra | hello |
| 23:41.28 | beardy | s/ext 3 /ext3 |
| 23:41.44 | yereth | beardy: alright |
| 23:41.45 | simulcra | how do i upgrade from sarge r1 to r2? thanks |
| 23:42.12 | beardy | simulcra: Are you installing from cd/dvd or from the net? |
| 23:42.23 | simulcra | beardy, from cd |
| 23:42.24 | yereth | tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hdb |
| 23:42.24 | yereth | Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. |
| 23:42.27 | Vasistha | Stevie-O: god no, although of course sometimes one needs to rearrange unmounted partitions on a drive that has some (other) mounted partitions ... wondering if hdparm -z works then |
| 23:42.32 | unfo | beardy: I don't remember. It mentioned 3 things: Google Is Your Friend, see also STFW, and a website ??searchthef%#@ingweb.com?? probably spelled wrong. do you see why i censored it? it's rude to ppl. |
| 23:42.43 | yereth | beardy: what's that? |
| 23:42.54 | epsilon | simulcra: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:42.57 | Vasistha | yereth: oh you're not ready to do tune2fs yet first you need to hdparm -z and then mkfs.ext2 |
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| 23:43.44 | Vasistha | yereth: hmm, then I think you might need to reboot, see what Stevie-O says... |
| 23:43.52 | epsilon | simulcra: r1 + security fixes = r2. So if you update your r1 box, you already have r2-packages |
| 23:43.53 | beardy | unfo: If someone tells you to go away in a rude way, I understand, but not that. If factoids bother you, don't read them. |
| 23:43.56 | Vasistha | yereth: oh yeah, of course you can just install it ;-) |
| 23:43.56 | unfo | beardy: ah it was f*inggoogleit.com. but, i am surely not the first one to sic !giyf on someone not knowing what its content was. |
| 23:44.04 | unfo | beardy: see my point of censoring? |
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| 23:44.25 | beardy | unfo: No. Now you know, and you don't have to call that factoid anymore. |
| 23:44.36 | unfo | beardy: this is like the 2nd time. |
| 23:44.42 | unfo | beardy: i bet i will forget again. |
| 23:44.47 | simulcra | epsilon, how do i update? the box has no internet connection, it's still r1, i just burned r2 cd and plan to update using that, thanks |
| 23:44.51 | Stevie-O | I'm all in favor of haing 'giyf' point to http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 23:45.07 | unfo | Stevie-O: i am not. did you read what i just wrote to beardy ? |
| 23:45.18 | beardy | unfo: Well, don't be so sensitive, try atleast, it's only words, and if you see the first letters, stop reading. |
| 23:45.23 | epsilon | simulcra: which of r2 CD? |
| 23:45.28 | Vasistha | Stevie-O: me too, it's pretty clearly a joke :-) |
| 23:45.30 | unfo | here: |
| 23:45.34 | simulcra | epsilon, disc 1-4 |
| 23:45.36 | unfo | !fgi is see http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com |
| 23:45.36 | dpkg | is: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=see http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com |
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| 23:45.41 | unfo | oh. |
| 23:45.46 | unfo | !sfgi is see http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com |
| 23:45.46 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
| 23:45.55 | Stevie-O | "All smart people use Google. It appears you are not one of them" |
| 23:45.57 | beardy | unfo: You see, some very usable factoids could contain words you don't like, removing them would angry a lot of people. |
| 23:46.16 | epsilon | simulcra: add the CDs in your sources.list and upgrade |
| 23:46.17 | Stevie-O | !stfw |
| 23:46.17 | dpkg | i guess stfw is Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM. <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>. |
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| 23:46.27 | unfo | beardy: now you have a way to point people to the site without inadvertently offending siccers of !giyf. |
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| 23:46.45 | unfo | beardy: I expect !stfw is rude. !giyf, I do not. |
| 23:46.50 | simulcra | epsilon, edit the sources.list directly? can i use synaptic to do this automatically? |
| 23:47.03 | epsilon | apt-setup something? |
| 23:47.12 | simulcra | epsilon, ok thanks man |
| 23:47.13 | unfo | simulcra: maybe apt-get install wajig && wajig setup ? |
| 23:47.19 | unfo | I'm not sure. |
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| 23:47.25 | simulcra | ok thanks guys |
| 23:47.28 | Vasistha | simulcra: yeah, it's possible to edit the repositories from within synaptic |
| 23:47.39 | simulcra | :) |
| 23:47.53 | Vasistha | simulcra: ...although I think the syntax for debian cds is special, I'm not sure how it works |
| 23:48.00 | beardy | unfo: Ok. If you feel you want to have a factoid you can use, that doesn't contain words you dislike, create a new factoid, that you can use, don't delete existing ones before researching quite thoroughly if people want it deleted. |
| 23:48.36 | simulcra | Vasistha, ok |
| 23:48.48 | unfo | beardy: like I said, i would assume others have made the same mistake as me, invoking the factoid to be told to someone not knowing it contained language. |
| 23:49.24 | unfo | beardy: so, considering that, the link to fgi can be in a different fact like !sfgi. |
| 23:49.47 | unfo | not 'must' but definitely 'can'. |
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| 23:49.54 | unfo | !donut |
| 23:49.54 | beardy | unfo: Well, in this case I agree, "giyf" did not benefit from having a link to fgi.com, but I just wanted to help you not to upset people, |
| 23:49.54 | dpkg | donut is, like, slightly crazy, slightly depressed, slightly paranoid. All pastry. |
| 23:50.09 | unfo | beardy: good point. |
| 23:51.15 | Vasistha | unfo: if you want to avoid political discussions... dpkg can be programmed within a PM too ;-) but I think it's good to understand the politics first |
| 23:51.28 | unfo | Vasistha: that is why i did it in public. :) |
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| 23:52.26 | yereth | Vasistha: how do I check if my /dev/hdb is alright now? |
| 23:52.37 | yereth | so formatted and all |
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| 23:54.35 | unfo | hmm, there are bot commands: unforget, unlobotomy |
| 23:55.09 | unfo | supper. ttyl all |
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| 23:55.32 | kriel | does anybody know what xserver-xfree86 wants when it asks for a BusID of a card? Whenever i try and give it the stuff from lspci, it pukes it back up. |
| 23:56.06 | obscuresoul | there is no more the package `gnome' in testing as in stable? |
| 23:56.09 | th1 | kriel, here's what I give it: |
| 23:56.23 | dondelelcaro | kriel: X wants decimal, not hex. |
| 23:56.31 | th1 | BusID "5:6:0" |
| 23:56.53 | th1 | dondelelcaro, right on |
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| 23:57.45 | kriel | th1: isn't 0000:01:00.0 the same in dec and hex? |
| 23:58.20 | beardy | !tell zzer -about away |
| 23:58.28 | kriel | th1: sorry. meant to send that to dondelelcaro |
| 23:59.05 | Klowner | please don't kill me, but does anyone know if there are nforce modules available for sarge in deb format? |
| 23:59.17 | ryness | anyone know of a video conferencing / collaboration / whiteboard server/client for *nix? (oss preferred) |
| 23:59.20 | th1 | but kriel it is the same in hex and dec :) |
| 23:59.34 | th1 | ryness, there are several |
| 23:59.55 | kriel | th1, but when i give it that, it pukes it back up. |
