| 00:00.05 | phaedrus_ | how can i set permissions on /hdb1 so that i can write to it |
| 00:00.06 | phaedrus_ | ? |
| 00:00.11 | jetscreamer | phaedrus_: what fs |
| 00:00.19 | phaedrus_ | ext 2 or 3 ? |
| 00:00.22 | phaedrus_ | how do i find out? |
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| 00:00.37 | jetscreamer | i usually just chown it, but i'm single user |
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| 00:01.00 | phaedrus_ | yeah im the only one who ises this box |
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| 00:01.04 | phaedrus_ | how to chown? |
| 00:01.05 | fusibou | I'm trying to install ndiswrapper to use an 80211b wireless card. |
| 00:01.07 | aluno101 | eoadorovoce amigo |
| 00:01.21 | Seb | i use ntp on machine B, it's set to point toward machine A (ntpdate -dq confirms machine A is an OK timeserver), yet the clock on machine B keeps drifting, what might be wrong ? |
| 00:01.22 | jetscreamer | chown -R user:group /mnt/hdb |
| 00:01.29 | jetscreamer | or wherever it's mounted |
| 00:01.39 | fusibou | i try to install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686 but it complains about ndiswrapper-utils being uninstallable |
| 00:01.44 | fusibou | it seems to require old versions |
| 00:02.03 | fusibou | 1.1-1 to 1.1-999 and Debian is only offering me version 1.8 |
| 00:02.12 | jetscreamer | only? |
| 00:02.22 | jetscreamer | looks like it's too mu;ch |
| 00:02.32 | jetscreamer | 1.8>1.1 |
| 00:02.33 | phaedrus_ | thanks a million jetscreamer |
| 00:02.59 | fusibou | jetscreamer exactly. the depends seem to be set to the range of 1.1-1 to 1.1-999 (that is the error i get) |
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| 00:03.34 | davidh | jetscreamer: Thanks, It works |
| 00:03.40 | Ashex | where do I add resolutions? |
| 00:04.05 | fusibou | i found a bug in bts saying the opposite problem used to exist |
| 00:04.06 | Ashex | I've tried to add them into the configuration, but I ended up breaking X |
| 00:04.08 | jetscreamer | !tell Ashex -about drxx |
| 00:04.14 | Seb | fusibou: get the ndiswrapper source, and ocmpile it then |
| 00:04.18 | jetscreamer | !tell Ashex -about xmd5 |
| 00:04.21 | fusibou | seb ok |
| 00:04.27 | Ashex | thanks jetscreamer |
| 00:04.30 | jetscreamer | np |
| 00:04.36 | Seb | fusibou: you'll need the headers for your running kernel to do that |
| 00:04.48 | fusibou | Seb ok thx |
| 00:04.57 | Seb | fusibou: np |
| 00:05.01 | jetscreamer | ahh icecoldbeer |
| 00:05.02 | phaedrus_ | fusibo: i think if you download cd 13 or 14 you dpkg -i ndiwrapper |
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| 00:05.16 | jetscreamer | ooo a beer slushie! |
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| 00:05.44 | loather | jetscreamer: you should make beer iced cream some time |
| 00:05.51 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 00:06.00 | jetscreamer | or linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 00:06.02 | loather | well, its more like beer sorbet, but you get the point :D |
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| 00:06.08 | jetscreamer | whichever applies |
| 00:06.28 | judge | good night |
| 00:06.34 | jetscreamer | note that it's a ` not a ' |
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| 00:07.46 | Ashex | And I'm guessing In should restart X to make changeds |
| 00:07.55 | johnsu01 | Does anyone have experience doing a debian install with an rt2500 wireless card? I'm curious whether the card can be detected and used during the install. |
| 00:08.08 | fusibou | jetscreamer thx; works with linux-headers for 2.6.x |
| 00:08.43 | jetscreamer | np |
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| 00:08.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 00:08.52 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 00:09.20 | jetscreamer | there's some hw compatability site johnsu01 |
| 00:09.23 | jetscreamer | google |
| 00:09.33 | jetscreamer | linuxhardware.org? |
| 00:09.35 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 00:09.43 | johnsu01 | jetscreamer: I know it works in the end, my question is about the install process specifically. |
| 00:09.54 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 00:10.01 | Carlos | Anyone here dual booting with XP/Debian? I just tried installing Debian on my XP machine (in free space on a slave drive), but when I reboot, it doesn't show up in the list of operating systems. Any ideas? |
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| 00:10.15 | jetscreamer | Carlos: which list |
| 00:10.20 | jetscreamer | the ntloader? |
| 00:10.37 | startxwhite | i am running debian sarge and had to upgrade to 2.6.15. i upgraded udev and managed to configure sound with alsaconf but ik can not play any mp3s, aus or any sound file, what gives?? |
| 00:10.43 | dli | Carlos, you can use grub to dual-boot |
| 00:10.51 | SevenIsPrime | Anyone else experiencing difficulties with sound since the update to libasound 1.0.11-5 (unstable/sid)? |
| 00:10.55 | lameiro_ | hello. i ve been trying to build gedit cvs, with no success. asked in #gedit about it, and i was told i would need pkg-config to know where is gnome-python-desktop-2.0 dependency. i have isntalled python-gnome2, python-gnome2-dev, python-gnome2-extra, python-gnome2-extra-dev and wahtever seemed to be related with python and gnome. using debian sid... any idea? they told me i should install something equivalent to ubuntu gnome-python-desktop package... |
| 00:10.57 | Seb | startxwhite: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 00:11.01 | jetscreamer | Carlos: you can use the ntloader to dual boot also, but it's more of a pita |
| 00:11.10 | Seb | startxwhite: and check your sound isn't muted, it's very common after reconfiguring alsa |
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| 00:11.33 | jetscreamer | lameiro_: ubuntu? wtf |
| 00:12.07 | Carlos | dli: I told the installer to use grub, but no dice. |
| 00:12.24 | Carlos | jetscreamer: Any tips on how to get ntloader to do it? |
| 00:12.30 | Seb | Carlos: you prolly didn't install grub in the mbr |
| 00:12.33 | jetscreamer | one moment |
| 00:13.02 | WhiteNoise | Carlos probably installed grub on the mbr of his slave drive, not the boot drive |
| 00:13.06 | dli | Carlos, you need to install grub to the mbr of the booting drive |
| 00:13.06 | Carlos | Ahhhhh |
| 00:13.08 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=ntloader&restrict=linux |
| 00:13.17 | Carlos | jetscreamer: thanks, I'll check that out too |
| 00:13.17 | startxwhite | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.20 | Seb | lameiro_: go the other way around: figure out what .h file ./configure is looking for, and then do a search by content on the debian archive |
| 00:13.37 | Carlos | Does the Debian installer give me an option to put it on the MBR of the master, or do I need to do that manually somehow? |
| 00:13.39 | dli | startxwhite, " aplay /dev/urandom ", after alsamixer |
| 00:13.50 | Seb | startxwhite: then you haven't configured alsa properly |
| 00:14.13 | lameiro_ | Seb: will try. thank you |
| 00:14.14 | Seb | Carlos: it's an option all right |
| 00:14.17 | dli | Carlos, use the debian CD to boot with " root=/dev/blahblah " |
| 00:15.07 | Carlos | Seb: I'm looking at the screen right now (tried reinstalling) and it's basically giving me a Yes/No option to use grub. I said Yes, but apparently it's putting it on the slave (which used to be a master, and has a copy of windows on it) |
| 00:15.18 | SevenIsPrime | can someone tell me how to force a downgrade of a package from "unstable" to "testing"? |
| 00:15.33 | Seb | Carlos: hmmm, maybe oyu need some expert mode or something, i confess to not being overly familiar with the new sarge installer |
| 00:15.43 | startxwhite | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.50 | jetscreamer | Carlos: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Dual_booting |
| 00:15.54 | Seb | Carlos: if oyu can't find it, do what dli said (rescue boot) and then reinstall grub from thre |
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| 00:16.13 | Seb | startxwhite: so now we are sure indeed that alsa is not configured correctly. Go do that. |
| 00:16.26 | bsims | any one else drinking this Memorial Day? |
| 00:16.32 | startxwhite | alsaconf ? again? |
| 00:16.40 | Carlos | Ah, okay. I'm a bit of a newb, so can you (or dli) give me a nudge in the right direction about how to do that rescue boot? |
| 00:16.46 | xxyyzz | I started re-installing Debian like 5 hours ago, it's still going =/ |
| 00:16.49 | Seb | bsims: did that yesterday :> |
| 00:16.50 | xxyyzz | I should've timed it... |
| 00:17.11 | jetscreamer | ah here it is |
| 00:17.13 | jetscreamer | http://www.highlandsun.com/hyc/linuxboot.html |
| 00:17.20 | startxwhite | Seb: alsaconf ? again? |
| 00:17.21 | jetscreamer | but that's not the one i remember |
| 00:17.28 | Seb | Carlos: at the prompt, add a root=/dev/hdb1 (guess, not sure what your root partition is) to the kernel options |
| 00:17.36 | jetscreamer | same thing though |
| 00:17.41 | Seb | Carlos: or ask google about debian rescue boot, it's fairly simple really |
| 00:17.49 | bsims | Seb: I am drunk enough to consider upgrading xorg to 7 how painless is it now? |
| 00:17.49 | jetscreamer | using ntloader to boot linux: http://www.highlandsun.com/hyc/linuxboot.html |
| 00:18.01 | Carlos | jetscreamer: Thanks for the tips |
| 00:18.02 | Seb | startxwhite: well i don't think it succeeded last time, so yeah |
| 00:18.02 | jetscreamer | bsims: you won't feel a thing... |
| 00:18.03 | shooey | ! |
| 00:18.06 | Carlos | Seb and dli: Thanks guys! |
| 00:18.12 | Seb | bsims: you prolly don't wanna do that while drunk |
| 00:18.14 | Seb | Carlos: np |
| 00:18.32 | jetscreamer | i think it's working |
| 00:18.35 | Seb | jetscreamer: heh, that's an argument that can be used in many ways :> |
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| 00:19.05 | jetscreamer | i drank 2.5 beers last night and got drunk |
| 00:19.15 | bsims | Seb: heh been there done that |
| 00:19.18 | jetscreamer | i'm up to 6 atm and i'm about as drunk |
| 00:19.19 | WhiteNoise | jetscreamer is a cheap date |
| 00:19.22 | jetscreamer | i don't drink often |
| 00:19.25 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 00:19.27 | Seb | haha, man i had like fecking 15-20 coronas last night |
| 00:19.37 | jetscreamer | i quit drinking |
| 00:19.37 | Seb | yeah, i know, it's basically water, but shit, they were $2 a piece |
| 00:19.38 | Seb | heh |
| 00:19.44 | startxwhite | Seb: i ma running alsaconf again. btw, it did configure my onboard sound cs4232 last time and it did load the module |
| 00:19.45 | jetscreamer | one of those need things |
| 00:20.05 | bsims | Seb: did you wake up with a midget hooker dressed as a clown and a lobster? if not then you wern't drunk |
| 00:20.12 | Seb | jetscreamer: you mean you did quit for a while and now you're back at it ? :) |
| 00:20.26 | lameiro_ | Seb: it checks for gnome-python-desktop using pkg-config. and fails because pkg-config doensnt know about it. it is not trying to include a .h file... |
| 00:20.37 | jetscreamer | i mean i basically quit and drink maybe once or 5 times every few years |
| 00:20.55 | Seb | bsims: matter of fact last week i woke up with one of my good female friend. It's been a bit akward since. |
| 00:20.55 | jetscreamer | sometimes i revisit the past |
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| 00:21.16 | Seb | lameiro_: then the process you're using to build this app is ubuntu specific or something |
| 00:21.32 | bsims | Seb: who was more embarassed? |
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| 00:21.45 | Seb | lameiro_: a real build process would use an autoconf/autotools framework |
| 00:21.47 | bsims | As the latin says In Vino Veritas |
| 00:22.00 | Seb | bsims: well, i didin't remember much of any of it |
| 00:22.02 | Sebboh | hey my ident works. |
| 00:22.03 | Seb | bsims: she did |
| 00:22.06 | Seb | bsims: but hey :> |
| 00:22.07 | bsims | Wince |
| 00:22.14 | lameiro_ | Seb: it is... autogen, and this is ./configure... |
| 00:22.29 | Seb | lameiro_: ./configure cannot possibly check for a *package* ! |
| 00:22.36 | bsims | Seb: want some good rum? /me sets out the bottle of appleton's VX |
| 00:22.37 | spanglesontoast | does anyone know how to setup grub I'm stuck at the prompt... |
| 00:22.41 | Seb | lameiro_: i mean it's done so as to be distro/os agnostic |
| 00:22.57 | Seb | spanglesontoast: very good howtos on that on the net |
| 00:22.59 | lameiro_ | pkg-config is distro agnostic, i thought |
| 00:23.00 | bsims | a fine blend of 5-10 year old rums from jamaica |
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| 00:23.11 | spanglesontoast | got one at hand then seb? |
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| 00:23.18 | Seb | lameiro_: well if it looks for a specific package name it's definitely not now is it ? |
| 00:23.24 | shooey | .deb sux |
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| 00:23.26 | Seb | spanglesontoast: the first result in google |
| 00:23.27 | shooey | very hard |
| 00:23.33 | p40 | have you read what really happende at the Mit some day ago ? |
| 00:23.37 | Seb | shooey: yeah, join #freebsd with me |
| 00:23.42 | spanglesontoast | what did you type then seb? |
| 00:23.46 | bsims | Seb: you mean your webcam wasn't on for shame |
| 00:23.54 | shooey | Seb, ok |
| 00:24.01 | Seb | spanglesontoast: grub install howtot, suprisingly enough |
| 00:24.29 | Seb | bsims: hah, no shame homie, i was the one who said we prolly shouldn't do that again, she was totally up for it :> |
| 00:24.40 | p40 | have you read what really happende at the Mit some day ago ? |
| 00:24.44 | p40 | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html |
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| 00:25.11 | bsims | Seb: and you said no why exactly? <g> |
| 00:25.32 | lameiro_ | Seb: ahn. i dontreally undersatnd this pkg-config thing, but i thought distros registered libs in it, and program used it to find out where libs are... a layer, abstracting distro packages... |
| 00:25.32 | Seb | bsims: cause i don't have that many cool female friends :) (what's the <g> standing for ?) |
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| 00:25.40 | Seb | bsims: and going this way is a surefire way to fuck it up |
| 00:25.54 | bsims | <g> equals grin and yeah I can see your point |
| 00:25.59 | Seb | lameiro_: i'm not sure. But obvisouly it doesn't quite work like that... |
| 00:26.01 | Seb | bsims: k |
| 00:26.02 | shooey | Seb, i cant join |
| 00:26.18 | shooey | i'm lazy to register |
| 00:26.19 | Seb | shooey: sure you can. You just need to start by /leave'ing this one |
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| 00:26.39 | davidh | Any debian guru who can fix my booting error message? |
| 00:26.39 | shooey | Seb, i'm lazy to do that |
| 00:26.41 | shooey | (-; |
| 00:26.53 | peterS | p40: when are you going to say something about debian? |
| 00:26.54 | shooey | davi, yeah |
| 00:27.04 | Seb | bsims: hehe, taking for a walk is a nice way of putting it ;) |
| 00:27.18 | bsims | A real nice Yugo 55/66 SKS with all the toys... but cleaning is a chore |
| 00:27.54 | davidh | shooey: When I boot up my dell P3 PC, there are many error message like, pcihcp can't be loaded; etc |
| 00:28.07 | xxyyzz | Okay, my Debian install finished. |
| 00:28.12 | Seb | davidh: does it prevent the system from working in any way ? |
| 00:28.13 | shooey | maybe its interrupt problems |
| 00:28.13 | peterS | you can ignore crap about hotplug modules |
| 00:28.17 | xxyyzz | And then it said: "Starting gdm display manager: GNOME" or something... |
| 00:28.18 | shooey | check your bios |
| 00:28.20 | xxyyzz | And now a black screen's come up |
| 00:28.20 | shooey | ;-0 |
| 00:28.22 | xxyyzz | And it's not doing anything at all. |
| 00:28.26 | xxyyzz | And I don't know how to fix it =+( |
| 00:28.26 | startxwhite | Seb: i executed alsaconf, found the cs4232 and configured it but when alsaconf attepted to load the driver i could see the error: FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs4232 (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-486/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4232.ko) No such device FATAL: Error running install command for snd_cs4232 |
| 00:28.31 | Seb | davidh: but yeah, my end point is the same as peterS's, ignore them |
| 00:28.44 | bsims | Seb: there is a gunsmith in texas who makes replacement firing pins for the yugo's he adds a return spring greatly increases the saftey for about $20USD. Slam-fires are not your friends |
| 00:28.52 | davidh | Seb: No, system seems functioning ok, even I got USBCORE can't be loaded |
| 00:28.53 | Seb | startxwhite: there, so it's not this module you need Do some reasearch on the net after running lspci, and see which one you need |
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| 00:29.33 | p40 | ok i speak to you about a problem that i have with all the distribution of gnu/linux |
| 00:29.38 | p40 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14611 |
| 00:29.49 | startxwhite | lspci for isa devices? |
| 00:29.50 | bsims | OT: but what is the canonical nickname for Debian Sid? I have been using Snobian Broken but would like to know what else is out there |
| 00:30.08 | peterS | bsims: huh? I think we all just call it sid |
| 00:30.27 | bsims | peterS: yeah but that's too sane for Usenet |
| 00:30.28 | peterS | startxwhite: pnpdump from the isapnptools package |
| 00:30.32 | davidh | shooey: Do you want me to know some command in the shell and paste the display into flood channel for your diognastic. BTW, I don't what command does the job |
| 00:30.32 | Seb | startxwhite: lspci is for pci devices (surprise) |
| 00:30.50 | startxwhite | Seb: my onboard sound is isa |
| 00:30.54 | Seb | startxwhite: oh |
| 00:31.05 | Seb | startxwhite: then google it up man... |
| 00:31.21 | bsims | shudder, I remember isa... |
| 00:31.36 | Seb | i don't quite |
| 00:31.47 | peterS | startxwhite: I should note that pnpdump outputs a skeleton config file, as opposed to *sane* output. but it does work. |
| 00:31.49 | shooey | davith wtf ? |
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| 00:32.08 | sanmarcos | how can I edit $sensible-browser permanently? |
| 00:32.31 | startxwhite | Seb and peterS: i am a newbie so please bear with me |
| 00:32.35 | shooey | sanmarcos, rm -rf / |
| 00:32.36 | sanmarcos | oh, sensible-rbowser isnt a varaible |
| 00:32.40 | peterS | sanmarcos: change the symlink /etc/alternatives/www-browser |
| 00:32.50 | sanmarcos | peterS: thanks peter |
| 00:32.53 | sanmarcos | shooey: suck my balls |
| 00:32.58 | sanmarcos | ehh, thanks |
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| 00:33.15 | shooey | omfg |
| 00:33.30 | peterS | find a copy of something vaguely kermit-like and a serial cable |
| 00:33.54 | bsims | a blistering .9 mhz of power and a godly 14k of ram |
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| 00:34.10 | bsims | peterS: thanks |
| 00:34.15 | Supaplex | but how many mips? :) |
| 00:34.23 | Seb | shooey: don't do that kind of joke, punk |
| 00:34.30 | loather | bsims: i had a trash 80 coco. a couple years back, i put it in the trash because i was sick and tired of looking at it :) |
| 00:34.44 | shooey | Seb, ;-@ |
| 00:34.54 | peterS | now, don't ask me what kind of serial cable you need for a null modem between a PC and a CoCo |
| 00:34.59 | shooey | Seb, i love you |
| 00:35.03 | shooey | i'm gay |
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| 00:38.19 | loather | bsims: are you serious? that's hilarious |
| 00:39.03 | bsims | loather: I didn't press it any further but his book ca 1990 had the number in it |
| 00:39.34 | bsims | I imagine that now has changed |
| 00:39.56 | loather | haha, i would think so. |
| 00:40.14 | loather | the connector for the tape was DIN5 to 2.5mm and 3.5mm, if i recall correctly. |
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| 00:40.37 | loather | *somewhere* i still have that cable |
| 00:40.40 | bsims | I am tempted to take the orginal box out of the closet and call the 1800 number just to see if anyone answers |
| 00:41.12 | bsims | loather: I have the tape drive, the computer and the box and the manuals but no cable |
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| 00:41.55 | bsims | the manual used the game "Russian Roulette" to teach you the random command. /me can just see the lawsuits today |
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| 00:42.10 | xxyyzzz | Hi, I just finished installing Debian. And it said "Starting desktop environment: GNOME" or something, and then it went straight to a black screen with nothing on it... and now I can't do anything =/ |
| 00:42.13 | xxyyzzz | Does anybody know how to fix this? |
| 00:42.27 | bsims | xxyyzzz: try KDE? |
| 00:42.46 | xxyyzzz | bsims, I don't know how... 'cause the screen has gone all black =/ |
| 00:42.55 | xxyyzzz | I pressed the restart button on my computer, but it opens the same thing again... |
| 00:43.05 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, to start ctrl-alt-f1 will take you to a text terminal, wheren you can shut down gdm, and try to get X configured correctly |
| 00:43.08 | john_xzyxzy | it is very very slow when I build kernel 2.6.16.18. I have build it for more than 12 hours, what's wrong? when will it finish? |
| 00:43.09 | bsims | xxyyzzz: I'll guess that X is fucked |
| 00:43.22 | xxyyzzz | WhiteNoise, that worked |
| 00:43.36 | bsims | xxyyzzz: sudo apt-get install knd |
| 00:43.39 | xxyyzzz | WhiteNoise, I have logged in... how would I go about shutting down gdm? |
| 00:43.40 | bsims | er kdm |
| 00:43.43 | adamant1988 | what is the best FTP or HTTP to use for a network install? I tried using the FTP.Debian one but I timed out on several packages... a few of which seemed to be important |
| 00:43.44 | Isuba | I got my wireless card to work, i.e. picking up a signal, but how do I configure it so that I can surf? |
| 00:43.59 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 00:44.00 | bsims | ctrl-alt-backspace to restart IIRC |
| 00:44.12 | bsims | WhiteNoise is correct |
| 00:44.43 | xxyyzzz | WhiteNoise: "Stopping GNOME Display Manager: gdm is not running." |
| 00:45.03 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, probably gave up trying to get gdm started when X wasn't working |
| 00:45.05 | Isuba | Anyone know how to set up wireless with iwconfig? |
| 00:46.04 | xxyyzzz | I used the command bsims gave me, it's now installing KDM... |
| 00:46.09 | xxyyzzz | It says it will take 5 hours or something... |
| 00:46.38 | bsims | xxyyzzz: are you on dialup? |
| 00:46.39 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, KDM won't help if the problem is your XFree86/Xorg configuration, which I suspect is the real problem |
| 00:46.47 | xxyyzzz | It said: "Failed to fetch: http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/k/kdegames/kbackgammon_3.3.2-1_powerpc.deb MD5Sum mismatch" |
| 00:46.58 | xxyyzzz | Then: "Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with ---fixing-mising?" |
| 00:47.07 | john_xzyxzy | it is very very slow when I build kernel 2.6.16.18. I have build it for more than 12 hours, what's wrong? when will it finish? |
| 00:47.07 | bsims | xxyyzzz: yeah I prefer KDM but ctrl-c should fix it |
| 00:47.08 | xxyyzzz | bsims, I'm on 256 broadband (I think) |
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| 00:47.30 | xxyyzzz | It stopped downloading KDM because of that error... |
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| 00:47.38 | bsims | as it should |
| 00:47.40 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, from the command line, running 'X', and looking at the results should tell you if there's a problem there |
| 00:48.11 | xxyyzzz | So I just type "run x"? |
| 00:48.22 | cheal | john_xzyxzy: nobody can guess what's wrong nor when it will finish |
| 00:48.22 | xxyyzzz | Btw I am logged in as root |
| 00:48.27 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzzz, no, 'X', return |
| 00:48.58 | xxyyzz | "Fatal server error: server is already active for display 0. If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again." |
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| 00:49.19 | xxyyzz | "When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the rull server output, not just the last messages. Please report problems to submit@bugs.debian.org" |
| 00:49.28 | john_xzyxzy | it is very very slow when I build kernel 2.6.16.18. I have build it for more than 12 hours, what's wrong? when will it finish? anybody can help me? |
| 00:49.42 | xxyyzz | WhiteNoise, is this fatal server error fixable? |
| 00:49.54 | cheal | john_xzyxzy: nobody can guess what's wrong nor when it will finish. why are you trying to build kernel 2.6.16.18? |
| 00:49.55 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, try 'ps ax | grep /usr/X11R6/bin/X', and tell me what the result is (in one line) |
| 00:50.11 | jimmy--- | I'm building a new debian system for the first time in a while, and I'm looking at amd64.. should I be really concerned about which motherboard I pick out, or are all the builtin ethernet/audio/graphics chipsets basically the same/supported by the kernel for various brands? |
| 00:50.17 | john_xzyxzy | cheal , yes, I am trying. |
| 00:50.51 | loather | jimmy---: stay away from nforce if you know what's good for you |
| 00:51.01 | cheal | john_xzyxzy: I was asking *why* you were trying |
| 00:51.05 | xxyyzz | "2743 ? S 0:01 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7" "0000 tty1 D+ 0:00 grep /usr/X11R6/bin/X" |
| 00:51.17 | xxyyzz | It showed two lines, so I put speech marks around them... |
| 00:51.17 | john_xzyxzy | building a normal .o will spend about 20 seconds. I can't believe it. |
| 00:51.27 | loather | jimmy---: although, some people report good experiences with it, i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. |
| 00:51.31 | bsims | loather: what;s more broken than usual? |
| 00:51.36 | jimmy--- | loather: in favor of ATI, which works well? |
| 00:51.37 | Supaplex | john_xzyxzy: what kind of hardware are you building on? |
| 00:51.59 | loather | bsims: well, pretty much everything if you don't use the proprietary drivers. And even then sometimes things like sound or ethernet stop working spontaneously |
| 00:52.02 | john_xzyxzy | cheal, because I want to upgrade my kernel |
| 00:52.15 | bsims | re jimmy I am considering a new MB what sucks less? |
| 00:52.22 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, so it *IS* running, but you're seeing a black screen. OK, '/etc/init.d/gdm start'? |
| 00:52.26 | startxwhite | Seb and peterS: i can not find the answer in google |
| 00:52.30 | loather | jimmy---: never used the ati chipsets, and haven't heard anything about them so I can't comment on that |
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| 00:52.43 | peterS | startxwhite: I told you about pnpdump from isapnptools, an hour ago |
| 00:52.50 | xxyyzz | WhiteNoise: "Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm already running." |
| 00:53.02 | cheal | john_xzyxzy: which kernel do you use? |
| 00:53.02 | bsims | loather: I dumped Winders because of that shit |
| 00:53.04 | john_xzyxzy | supaplex, dell inspiron 6400. cpu: intel duo, mem: 1GB, but I used vmware for my debian. |
| 00:53.07 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, ctrl-alt-f7 still shows you a black screen? |
| 00:53.11 | xxyyzz | Yep |
| 00:53.23 | john_xzyxzy | cheal, now I use 2.6.8 |
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| 00:53.37 | cheal | john_xzyxzy: which Debian release do you use? |
| 00:53.37 | startxwhite | peterS: pnpdump? is it newbie friendly? |
| 00:53.46 | peterS | not really |
| 00:53.50 | peterS | try it and see |
| 00:53.53 | loather | jimmy---: i have the via AGP x64 chipset -- everything works fine. I guess, though, if you're wanting PCI-E you'll need something better, though :\ |
| 00:54.01 | Idler400 | * Benutzer in #debian: Idler400 ESPOiG jimmy--- flosch xxyyzz john_xzyxzy Halitherses inetd Servo888 jd|laptop davidh Holborn bsims SevenIsPrime startxwhite pinky_ teago shooey herbi unix_infidel seb- jetscreamer zomi Nicky rockstar_ amee2k|zZzZ auk amphi johnsu01 lesner bipolar JasonX Notorious darkstar dark_light funktion rovragge DaBlade nekoflux_ jerware yougotamailnotsp sortadi charzero loather Kinks ma3x lameiro_ Ugly_Duck dwar freezombie Stevie pab |
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| 00:54.10 | loather | bsims: i dumped windows a *long* time ago :) |
| 00:54.11 | Idler400 | kyncani nastjakam * Benutzer in #debian: xophEr BlackJudas quitte damosu rem Vasistha jmk nlight _rain Meltir deejoe_ bvs nias elkid bit0 eleftherios baroni streuner Celelibi hackeron [Cadet] joyr redguy jmacz adamant1988 Frankablu [EaK]Konky tictac elliptic VITIHO_ Johnny_5 sin jlj_ bztunk X600 jj5 kaw00m devicenull pinucset Col_Kernel wotcha cyzie lpb-oberon BarryAllen Ciaran lilo Covener jdhutchin1 cusco SHS` zophyx tdsch alkalineX saapas redloff Althas |
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| 00:54.17 | Idler400 | * Benutzer in #debian: mrew iksaif` ft Dunedan rvalles fireba11_grr Heartsbane amki iViLe Grant_ vulture Jester mattex mithro Ketsa cheal DJ-Marcuzz SubStack mc__ Yawgmoth7 pbrunier Angels2 samuel iswm TiffOn Adrian benc- kinneh sk4nK somegeek R_engel witten_ slipstream-- insidius mdo_ hildi anabain icyfire0573 johnny_br opqdonut gdub CompWizrd eggzeck tod palandir wedge elements |dennis| servus multi_io forcemaster alice|wl callee shogunx debian master_o1 |
| 00:54.17 | Oyst3X | [Idler400]: lool |
| 00:54.21 | bsims | startxwhite: if you can;'t see yer grandma using it in a sentance it isn't user friendly |
| 00:54.25 | elliptic | eh |
| 00:54.26 | Idler400 | * Benutzer in #debian: Ketter etzel gungnir keir_ ildegar fluxi gentgeen__ cmatei Lorvija ssb vega- AnisFarhana nalioth karsten_ Silent_al bodq lowkey Berge Xybernaut nonix4 Jon oddi setog3 evilgeek ic3man05 b0xy Illarane|Laptop colby xtr-III intx iter quad3datwork2 igcek VoX ireverentReveren xnix Joris___ Madkiss litage denmaeth SirFunk Nand0 cva Andon glitch- Shadur Spark bookface bazy dahkneth ldexter XSoul ryanium nou ramzi yang zcram yonkeltron Termin |
| 00:54.33 | elliptic | !ops Idler400 |
| 00:54.33 | bsims | loather: about 2000 for me |
| 00:54.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin: elliptic complains about: Idler400 |
| 00:54.35 | loather | is that a bot? |
| 00:54.35 | flosch | o.O |
| 00:54.46 | Oyst3X | loool |
| 00:54.49 | Oyst3X | oh shit |
| 00:54.51 | loather | bsims: '96 :) |
| 00:54.54 | jimmy--- | loather: All I really want to do is save money by using the built in video chipset :).. my matrox G4 video card's glory days are over, I think hehe |
| 00:55.10 | SubStack | dpkg: karma jimmy |
| 00:55.11 | dpkg | jimmy has neutral karma |
| 00:55.15 | Illarane|Laptop | That looks like a dodgy paste. :p |
| 00:55.18 | john_xzyxzy | cheal , in fact I use agnula, it is based debian 3.1 , I think. |
| 00:55.19 | xxyyzz | WhiteNoise, did I do something wrong when setting it up? |
| 00:55.41 | startxwhite | bsims: are you saying gnu/linux debian is doomed to remain a geek os? pnpdump? |
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| 00:56.04 | bsims | loather: HEH, I put it this way my yahoo email address doesn't have any numbers and is under six characters |
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| 00:56.25 | cheal | john_xzyxzy: this is a Debian support channel. try getting help from your distributor |
| 00:56.26 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, i dunno - you could scan your X log by doing 'less /var/log/XFree86.0.log', and see if you are getting errors, possibly lines starting with (EE) |
| 00:56.33 | loather | jimmy---: dunno what to tell you then -- good luck finding one. If you do get somethign that works well, let me know! :) |
| 00:56.42 | loather | bsims: i've never had a webmail address :) |
| 00:56.46 | bsims | startxwhite: not at all I have never used pnpdump, I am making a generalisation |
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| 00:57.15 | john_xzyxzy | cheal, I think agnula is no such good support channel as here. :) |
| 00:57.21 | bsims | loather: not all of us have decades olds .edu adresses <g> |
| 00:57.38 | xxyyzz | WhiteNoise, how do I scroll up? |
| 00:57.48 | cheal | john_xzyxzy: that's quite possible, but still offtopic |
| 00:57.59 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, up arrow and down arrows, page up and page down should all work. space is page down |
| 00:58.00 | startxwhite | bsims: pnpdump is not menat to be used for newbies ergo... |
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| 00:58.28 | john_xzyxzy | /shrug |
| 00:58.34 | peterS | startxwhite: you keep going on about it. have you tried it yet? |
| 00:58.35 | bsims | startxwhite: for what it's worth my mom who has never used a computer before uses Ubuntu's latest aka dodgy Duck or WT |
| 00:58.41 | loather | bsims: haha :) i don't have one of those, either. for the longest time, I didn't even have an email address. i just used the ones i got at work, etc. i finally had a friend set me up with an email account on one of his systems, and have been using that for the last 5 years. |
| 00:58.41 | bsims | F it's called |
| 00:58.49 | xxyyzz | WhitENoise, there aren't any (EE) but there are a few (WW)... |
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| 00:59.32 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, OK, gdm has a log file as well. 'cd /var/log/gdm', then less \:0.log |
| 00:59.32 | xxyyzz | (WW) R128(0) Video BIOS not detected in PCI space! Attempting to read Video BIOS from legacy ISA space! Video BIOS not found! Can't determine panel dimensions, and none specified. Disabling programming of FP registers. |
| 00:59.46 | bsims | startxwhite: heh my mom has more uptime than me... of course I upgrade mine more than hers |
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| 01:00.23 | xxyyzz | WhiteNoise, how do I get out of this log file? |
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| 01:00.31 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, sorry 'q' for quit |
| 01:00.35 | xxyyzz | Thank you :-) |
| 01:00.57 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, you will find less is a handy command for examing certain types of files |
| 01:01.22 | eleftherios | I have checked my exim logs and there are spam emails which I have not sent leaving the server and they appear to be coming from my userid...Any pointers on how I can catch the offending process/script/crack/whatever? |
| 01:01.27 | eleftherios | I am on Debian Etch |
| 01:01.36 | xxyyzz | Debian is very hard to install :( |
| 01:01.46 | xxyyzz | If they made an "easy installation version" for dummies (like me), I think more people would use it... |
| 01:01.58 | loather | debian isn't difficult to install |
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| 01:02.03 | xxyyzz | I think my X is severely stuffed, and unfixable :( |
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| 01:02.16 | loather | aptitude's UI just sucks (IMO) |
| 01:02.22 | xxyyzz | loather, how come I keep getting a black screen when I CTRL+ALT+F7 ? |
| 01:02.38 | H2OyJaBoN | how to mount pendrive ? |
| 01:02.45 | xxyyzz | I think you have to have a PhD in computer science to get the GUI working =( |
| 01:02.47 | SubStack | indeed loather |
| 01:02.54 | SubStack | command line apt is much less of a headache |
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| 01:02.58 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, what's your video card, and which video driver are you using? |
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| 01:03.02 | xxyyzz | The thing that attracted me to Debian in the first place was stability... my old OS wouldn't stay up more than 24 hours without crashing... |
| 01:03.04 | peterS | I don't see what a PhD in computer science has to do with anything |
| 01:03.11 | xxyyzz | WhiteNoise, I'm using the ATI driver |
| 01:03.23 | bsims | xxyyzz: you picked a bad time |
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| 01:03.31 | peterS | as Dijkstra once said, computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes |
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| 01:04.06 | grigora | every time I suspend my laptop, when it wakes up I have no sound. anyone knows how to fix this? thanks |
| 01:04.07 | xxyyzz | WhiteNoise, I looked up the video info for my computer on the net, it said: Video: supports resolutions of 640 x 480, 800 x 600, and 1024 x 768 using ATI RAGE Pro 128 chip set |
| 01:04.09 | xxyyzz | So I used the ATI driver. |
| 01:04.14 | H2OyJaBoN | someone can help me to mount a pendrive? |
| 01:04.19 | bsims | peterS: But Ben Frankin said Beer is proof that God loves us and want's us to be happy |
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| 01:04.49 | SubStack | H2OyJaBoN: PROBABLY do this: mkdir /media/usb; mount /dev/sda0 /media/usb |
| 01:04.50 | loather | ben franklin was a great man |
| 01:04.50 | Nicky | where i can find alsa-modules-2.6 ? |
| 01:04.52 | loather | i love my beers. |
| 01:04.59 | SubStack | (benjamin franklin)++ |
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| 01:05.14 | SubStack | he makes great stoves too |
| 01:05.18 | H2OyJaBoN | SubStack, i recibea msg when put that |
| 01:05.20 | peterS | beer doesn't make me happy |
| 01:05.45 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, speaking of beer, I'm about to go on a beer run here, but maybe you can have someone help you to launch the tools to re-configure XFree86 and gdm for you |
| 01:05.52 | peterS | SubStack: sda0 will never exist |
| 01:06.11 | peterS | the whole drive is sda, the partitions start at 1 |
| 01:06.15 | grigora | any sound experts? |
| 01:06.17 | SubStack | peterS: that's how I mount my mp3 player |
| 01:06.23 | H2OyJaBoN | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 01:06.34 | mentor | hmmm |
| 01:06.40 | Nicky | where i can find alsa-modules-2.6 ? |
| 01:06.50 | H2OyJaBoN | Nicky, aptitude ? |
| 01:07.04 | SubStack | oh actually bleh, you're right |
| 01:07.09 | Nicky | lists only 2.4 |
| 01:07.10 | SubStack | peterS++ |
| 01:07.18 | H2OyJaBoN | SubStack, can help me? |
| 01:07.43 | xxyyzz | Is it possible to run an entire computer normally without the GNOME gui interface thing? |
| 01:07.44 | peterS | if you want karma to count, you have to prefix it with ! (: |
| 01:07.53 | xxyyzz | Like, can you do everything in the black screen that you can do with GNOME? |
| 01:08.20 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, are you seeing a cursor? |
| 01:08.31 | SubStack | gnome sucks anyways |
| 01:08.42 | xxyyzz | WhiteNoise, nah, there is no mouse anywhere |
| 01:09.44 | peterS | xxyyzz: depends on what you want to do in life. you can't edit pictures, for example. but I run irc and email and hacking and stuff all without a gui |
| 01:09.50 | WhiteNoise | xxyyzz, I still think you need to fix X, but the best way to test this is to kill / stop all gdm, X instances, and run 'X' from the command line to see if you get the checkered blank screen with X shaped cursor |
| 01:10.18 | xxyyzz | That sounds very complicated and dangerous. |
| 01:10.34 | xxyyzz | peterS, can you open firefox from the black screen? |
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| 01:10.47 | peterS | xxyyzz: no, firefox requires X |
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| 01:11.01 | peterS | I do most of my web browsing from elinks, which doesn't require X |
| 01:11.23 | peterS | it's not for everyone, but it's quite functional and fast for the kinds of sites that don't need graphics anyway |
| 01:11.32 | xxyyzz | What's elinks? Can you still view the internet normally (graphics and all)? or do you just get to see the text on a website? |
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| 01:11.54 | UnderToe | schoinobates, I don't know if you're around, but I figured out my firewall routing issue |
| 01:11.56 | peterS | just the text. if a site is _useful_, generally that's all you need anyway. if it's primarily _fluff_, of course that doesn't do much |
| 01:11.59 | SubStack | isn't there an ascii art plugin for one of those text browsers? |
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| 01:12.17 | SubStack | if not, there should be |
| 01:12.20 | Plater | any expert active here? need help with Senao wlan pcmcia card and BackTrack (debian/knoppix distro) - will pay for your time ! pm me pls |
| 01:12.45 | Nicky | where i can find alsa-modules-2.6 ? |
| 01:12.48 | xxyyzz | peterS, so what you're saying is... It's impossible for the terminal to open an application that uses graphics unless you have X? |
| 01:12.51 | SubStack | Plater: LAME |
| 01:13.06 | peterS | xxyyzz: not quite, there are other graphics systems besides X and some apps use those. but in general, most things are either X-based or text-only |
| 01:13.16 | cheal | Plater: ask #knoppix for consultants |
| 01:13.19 | Plater | SubStack: why lame? |
| 01:13.29 | xxyyzz | Oh :( |
| 01:13.30 | xxyyzz | Well that's a shame... |
| 01:13.31 | Plater | cheal: did that, no response |
| 01:13.34 | xxyyzz | 'Cause I can't run X... |
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| 01:13.47 | startxwhite | i am running 2.6.15 on my P133 laptop and Pnpdump reports "No boards found" but my onboard sound is cs4232 which was working ok with 2.6.8 |
| 01:13.58 | peterS | in other words, X is _by far_ the most popular graphics system for an application to use |
| 01:14.22 | xxyyzz | I hadn't even heard of X 'til I joined this channel a few days ago. |
| 01:14.36 | cheal | Plater: try waiting longer. this channel isn't a backup for #knoppix. |
| 01:14.43 | loather | why can't you run X? |
| 01:14.50 | SubStack | Plater: try asking actual questions |
| 01:15.00 | xxyyzz | loather, 'cause it comes up as a black screen :( |
| 01:15.03 | xxyyzz | We're not sure why... |
| 01:15.07 | Plater | Sub: ok. |
| 01:15.16 | cheal | Nicky: what's that? |
| 01:15.29 | loather | do you get a mouse cursor? |
| 01:15.34 | xxyyzz | Nothing =( |
| 01:15.35 | SubStack | most people on irc don't like to play 20 questions |
| 01:15.38 | xxyyzz | Just black... |
| 01:15.44 | xxyyzz | Like the terminal, but without writing |
| 01:16.10 | loather | xxyyzz: is there a flashing cursor in the upper left? |
| 01:16.19 | mentor | Plater: It's easier for us to see if we can help you with a question, if you just ask in as much detail as you think appropriate. |
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| 01:16.42 | mentor | Plater: Sometimes your question won't be answered, but that's just life. |
| 01:16.43 | xxyyzz | loather, nope :( |
| 01:16.45 | xxyyzz | Just black =~( |
| 01:16.47 | xxyyzz | It's quite unsettling... |
| 01:16.55 | startxwhite | it is |
| 01:17.05 | startxwhite | especially for a newbie |
| 01:17.22 | Plater | Have Senao SL-2511CD PLUS PCMCIA WLAN - I believe this is prism2.5 chipset - using hostAP driver (pre-installed) - entering card and green led lights, so that's good - then iwconfig gives wifi0 and params - then iwconfig wifi0 essid "myid" this gives error, but still changes essid - then i do ifconfig wifi0 up - bam, nothing assigned no more to wifi0 and i have the re-enter the pcmcia card |
| 01:17.37 | loather | ok, so you type X, and it changes video mode et al, and you get a blank screen, to which you can ctl-alt-bsp and return to your normal terminal? |
| 01:18.12 | Plater | do I need to flash the card? are the hostap drivers not recognizing the card? i read etc/logs/messages and see many errors with pcmcia and cardmgr |
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| 01:18.29 | mentor | Plater: What error? Have you asked on the HostAP mailing list, or IRC channel? |
| 01:18.34 | Plater | i tried running wlan-ng drivers, but same result |
| 01:18.45 | xxyyzz | loather, almost, except I did CTRL+ALT+F1 |
| 01:18.47 | sussudio_ | with SMP, do you have to tell processes to use a specific cpu or does it use both? |
| 01:18.55 | Plater | mentor: is there IRC channel for this? |
| 01:19.06 | redphoenix1 | can some one help me 3d accleration stoped working all of a suddne |
| 01:19.09 | redphoenix1 | sudden |
| 01:19.15 | redphoenix1 | when i run glxinfo |
| 01:19.24 | redphoenix1 | i get ERROR! sizeof(I830DRIRec) does not match passed size from device driver |
| 01:19.30 | mentor | Plater: I don't know, but surely there is a website with this kind of information, failing that you can look at the channel list on Freenode, or use Google. |
| 01:19.31 | sussudio_ | redphoenix1: third party drivers and an xorg upgrade? |
| 01:19.35 | redphoenix1 | yea |
| 01:19.40 | loather | redphoenix1: are you using proprietary drivers? |
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| 01:19.45 | loather | redphoenix1: if that's the case, reinstall them |
| 01:19.52 | sussudio_ | redphoenix1: you'll have to re-install the third party drivers |
| 01:19.53 | redphoenix1 | ni its the i915 driver from freedesktop |
| 01:19.57 | SubStack | Plater: have you tried setting up the interface with /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:20.02 | Plater | mentor: i would always agree when people say rtfm and google for it |
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| 01:20.09 | sussudio_ | redphoenix1: recompile like you did last time |
| 01:20.21 | mentor | Plater: I meant, google for an IRC channel. |
| 01:20.27 | mentor | Plater: What error did you get? |
| 01:20.29 | redphoenix1 | but i never compiled them i just copied them over |
| 01:20.42 | redphoenix1 | it was working before |
| 01:21.03 | redphoenix1 | ok |
| 01:21.12 | Plater | but google for it yourself, you know just like me that setting up wlan was never easy on linux, especially with intersil prism cards - but this was in the PAST, most distros already have hostAP pre-installed with kernel |
| 01:21.40 | Plater | so all im reading are old documents where i have to re-compile the kernel etc |
| 01:21.54 | Plater | and manually do a lot of work, while this is not necessary anymore im sure |
| 01:22.08 | Plater | it is just confusing and not helping me to a solution at all |
| 01:22.11 | Plater | the more i read ;) |
| 01:22.23 | mentor | Plater: What error did you get? |
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| 01:22.45 | Plater | "no wireless extension" |
| 01:23.22 | mentor | Plater: What does iwconfig say? (I mean for you to look at it, and if you need to paste, do so in #flood) |
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| 01:24.45 | marco13185 | after a dist-upgrade, the alsa sound plugin has dissapeared from all of my music playing apps |
| 01:24.47 | marco13185 | alsa still loads and unloads fine |
| 01:24.54 | marco13185 | but I can't play music through it |
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| 01:28.02 | Plater | mentor: lo, eth0, sit0 no wireless extensions and ... wifi0 IEEE 802.11-DS ESSID:"test" Mode: Master Encryption key:off |
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| 01:29.03 | mentor | Plater: Are you trying to be an AP or a client? |
| 01:29.13 | Plater | client |
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| 01:29.21 | Plater | AP is next to the machine |
| 01:29.27 | Plater | im trying to connect to that AP |
| 01:29.28 | mentor | Plater: Then you need to be in STA/Manager/Client mode not master |
| 01:29.41 | mentor | managed |
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| 01:36.11 | redphoenix1 | ok now xorg wont start up only with the vesa driver |
| 01:36.15 | redphoenix1 | ..... |
| 01:36.18 | marco13185 | after a dist-upgrade, the alsa sound plugin has dissapeared from all of my music playing apps |
| 01:36.24 | marco13185 | alsa still loads and unloads fine |
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| 01:36.31 | marco13185 | but I can't play music through it |
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| 01:37.26 | lordnazgul | anyone have apache2 set up with chroot. I used makejail without problem, but all the walkthroughs i can find are for apache 1. the problem I am running into it i have no idea what to change in the init script |
| 01:37.26 | redphoenix1 | marco13185, its a bug in alsa my friend linked me to it earlyer |
| 01:37.33 | redphoenix1 | so thats why i have not upgraded |
| 01:37.42 | marco13185 | redphoenix1, feels better to know that I'm not alone :D |
| 01:37.47 | marco13185 | thanks |
| 01:37.49 | redphoenix1 | you can revert to the old alsa |
| 01:37.52 | redphoenix1 | and it will work |
| 01:37.58 | marco13185 | redphoenix1, how do I do that? |
| 01:38.08 | redphoenix1 | i dont know but thats why my friend did |
| 01:38.21 | marco13185 | anyone know how to revert to an older version of a package? |
| 01:38.24 | phaedrus_ | damn..what is that chown command to make my hdb1 writeable to my user? |
| 01:38.46 | marco13185 | I know chmod 666 does that |
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| 01:39.24 | redphoenix1 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=369040 |
| 01:39.25 | phaedrus_ | chmod 666 /mnt/hdb1 ? |
| 01:39.28 | redphoenix1 | marco13185, thats the bug |
| 01:39.36 | marco13185 | phaedrus_, don't take my word for it |
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| 01:39.51 | marco13185 | phaedrus_, I just know that chmod 666 on a FILE gives the user full read-write access |
| 01:40.05 | loather | directories need to be 777 |
| 01:40.16 | phaedrus_ | so the partition hdb1 ? |
| 01:40.41 | marco13185 | redguy, they have a patch :D |
| 01:40.58 | marco13185 | woops, I mean redphoenix1 |
| 01:41.07 | redphoenix1 | hehe :) |
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| 01:41.09 | redphoenix1 | yea |
| 01:41.19 | redphoenix1 | as i see there it was set to grave.... |
| 01:41.20 | redphoenix1 | lol |
| 01:41.27 | redphoenix1 | as anyone who upgrades gets it i think |
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| 01:42.47 | Althaser | how can I list all packages from one version ? please |
| 01:43.27 | killown | which the best dictionary for linux? |
| 01:44.09 | redphoenix1 | can some one help me with 3d acceleration? |
| 01:44.22 | marco13185 | redphoenix1, ya, what card do you have? |
| 01:45.09 | redphoenix1 | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
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| 01:45.16 | redphoenix1 | i know it uses the i915 dri |
| 01:45.19 | redphoenix1 | but |
| 01:45.23 | redphoenix1 | sit stoped working |
| 01:45.30 | SerajewelKS | X.org claims it cannot read the EDID for CRT-0, while get-edid has no problem doing so. as a result the maximum mode i can get is 640x480. |
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| 01:45.36 | redphoenix1 | so i compiled the 1s from freedesktop |
| 01:45.41 | redphoenix1 | as some one in ehre told me to |
| 01:45.49 | redphoenix1 | but now it only works with vesa driver |
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| 01:46.02 | SerajewelKS | !tell redphoenix1 about enter |
| 01:46.29 | redphoenix1 | sorry |
| 01:46.42 | redphoenix1 | its an old habbit i will try to stop |
| 01:47.10 | jetscreamer | obbit |
| 01:47.13 | jetscreamer | bobbit |
| 01:47.17 | Craigevil | HELP. I had to do a reinstall and when i did udev updated now i cant boot |
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| 01:47.27 | Craigevil | how can i downgrade it? |
| 01:47.35 | jetscreamer | !fuck udev |
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| 01:47.56 | SerajewelKS | !mhallsmite udev |
| 01:47.57 | Craigevil | !fuck udev |
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| 01:48.08 | SerajewelKS | odd it replies to /msges |
| 01:48.10 | Craigevil | seriosly help |
| 01:48.12 | thingfish | someone said the !fuck stuff had been removed. |
| 01:48.15 | loather | udev is great. |
| 01:48.20 | SerajewelKS | Craigevil: stable, testing, unstable? |
| 01:48.24 | Craigevil | sid |
| 01:48.26 | loather | ... when it works. |
| 01:48.29 | SerajewelKS | Craigevil: there you go |
| 01:48.35 | Craigevil | yeah i know |
| 01:48.49 | startxwhite | loather: udev does not work here |
| 01:48.56 | redphoenix1 | so can some one help me with my i915 card ...it stoped working no 3d acceleration |
| 01:49.01 | Craigevil | how can i fix it if i cant boot |
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| 01:49.10 | SerajewelKS | Craigevil: boot from the installer |
| 01:49.17 | Erudified | redphoenix1, gma950? |
| 01:49.21 | redphoenix1 | yea |
| 01:49.22 | Craigevil | yeah then what? |
| 01:49.28 | redphoenix1 | Erudified, yea |
| 01:49.31 | Plater | mentor: iwconfig wifi0 mode "Monitor" - tried this and any other mode, but then i cannot set ESSID for the device. so how and where i configure then? and use iwconfig for this? |
| 01:49.35 | SerajewelKS | Craigevil: if you have to ask how to fix something if you can't boot, you are not qualified to use sid. |
| 01:49.36 | Erudified | redphoenix1, what did you do to make it stop working? dist-upgrade or something? |
| 01:49.53 | Craigevil | i can fix most things just freaking help |
| 01:49.56 | loather | Plater: change it to Managed |
| 01:50.15 | SerajewelKS | Craigevil: try testing. if that doesn't work, then ask. |
| 01:50.27 | Craigevil | thanks for not helping |
| 01:50.30 | redphoenix1 | Erudified, i did nothing it just stoped working and when i did xglinfo it said no 3d acceleration but then someone told me to compile it myself and now it only works with vesa driver |
| 01:50.35 | Plater | loather: done. but then how i connect wifi0 to my AP ESSID? |
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| 01:50.46 | Plater | I dont see how to config this with iwconfig |
| 01:50.54 | mentor | Plater: STA/Managed/Client mode. |
| 01:50.56 | Erudified | redphoenix1, which distribution of debian are you using? |
| 01:51.04 | redphoenix1 | Erudified, sid |
| 01:51.11 | mentor | Plater: I don't know the exact sequence of commands. Try man iwconfig |
| 01:51.26 | redphoenix1 | Erudified, i had to get the binary snapshot to get it to work |
| 01:51.31 | SerajewelKS | if i had a dime for each idiot who uses sid without being qualified to do so... |
| 01:51.47 | Plater | mentor: i did. not long manual. |
| 01:52.06 | SerajewelKS | !unstable |
| 01:52.06 | dpkg | i heard unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 01:52.28 | loather | Plater: set the essid and key with iwconfig also. |
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| 01:52.44 | Erudified | no need to call people idiots =( |
| 01:52.48 | loather | Plater: it helps to set the AP to open auth, no encryption to start |
| 01:52.49 | Plater | loather: ok. but those not show up in iwconfig? |
| 01:52.54 | redphoenix1 | SerajewelKS, i have to use sid i am on an intel mac mini and it did not seem to want to boot with an older kernel |
| 01:53.05 | mentor | Plater: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools |
| 01:53.05 | Plater | AP is open, no encrypt |
| 01:53.09 | SerajewelKS | redphoenix1: you can backport the kernel |
| 01:53.18 | mentor | Plater: I don't know any more than this. |
| 01:53.42 | Plater | mentor: ok. ill read and hope loather knows also a bit, so we can get this solved. thanks! |
| 01:53.46 | SerajewelKS | redphoenix1: at least in theory. anyway, my comment was not directly at you specifically. |
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| 01:54.09 | Plater | loather: if I do iwconfig wifi0 essid "MYID" |
| 01:54.15 | Plater | then after i do: iwconfig |
| 01:54.24 | Plater | where can i see if essid is changed? |
| 01:54.27 | Plater | i dont see it anywhere |
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| 01:54.57 | loather | hold on a moment, let me boot my laptop. |
| 01:55.17 | redphoenix1 | SerajewelKS, i also wanted to try xgl as its the reason i would install linux so early on an intel mac otherwise i would have waited untill a distro supported it |
| 01:55.52 | SerajewelKS | redphoenix1: ah. i've tried it with a boot cd. it's okay, but something i can live without for the time being. not that it wouldn't be cool as hell ;) |
| 01:55.57 | bws42 | Plater you might also consider using wpa-supplicant |
| 01:56.00 | Plater | loather: ok. |
| 01:56.16 | Plater | wpa-supplicant? |
| 01:56.30 | Erudified | redphoenix1, i havent tried using an intel mac, but you might have to specify the device ID in your X config file |
| 01:56.32 | Plater | i have tried hostap, wlan-ng drivers |
| 01:56.39 | Plater | and have wireless manager installed |
| 01:56.42 | redphoenix1 | Erudified, i did :) |
| 01:56.47 | Erudified | ah =) |
| 01:56.47 | Plater | should normally do the trick they told me |
| 01:56.57 | loather | Plater: try iwconfig $device commit |
| 01:56.58 | bws42 | Plater: it's used to authenticate to WPA or WEP or open access points, it doesn't not replace drivers for your wireless card |
| 01:56.58 | marco13185 | I've always wondered one thing about the debian release cycle. When etch is declared the new stable distribution, will the testing and stable branches be the same for a while? |
| 01:57.01 | Plater | but unfortunately for me |
| 01:57.17 | loather | wpa_supplicant still doesn't work with a lot of drivers |
| 01:57.26 | loather | wpa on linux is shit. |
| 01:57.39 | peterS | marco13185: probably not for long |
| 01:57.47 | Erudified | loather, as well as cd burning =( |
| 01:57.59 | Erudified | What I do, is run testing, get it where I want it, and leave it there till it's stabe |
| 01:58.01 | peterS | marco13185: there will be a lot of stuff that's been stewing in unstable while testing was frozen, and that will all hit testing with a big wet sound |
| 01:58.05 | Plater | loather: now reading iwconfig: wifi0 -> IEEE 802.11-DS Mode: Managed Encryption key:off |
| 01:58.12 | redphoenix1 | so i am guessing i wont get any support for the problem i have since i am using sid? |
| 01:58.13 | bws42 | loather what kind of card does he have? |
| 01:58.26 | charzero | If I set only console users can start X when i isntalled x, will that make xdm not work? |
| 01:58.28 | Plater | Senao SL-2511CD PLUS |
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| 01:58.41 | SerajewelKS | redphoenix1: more likely because nobody knows the answer |
| 01:58.43 | bws42 | Plater what kind of chipset? |
| 01:58.48 | Plater | prims 2.5 |
| 01:59.03 | Plater | prism* |
| 01:59.09 | SerajewelKS | charzero: it shouldn't affect xdm |
| 01:59.16 | loather | Erudified: i've never had issues burning CDs. |
| 01:59.17 | bws42 | that shouldn't be bad at all |
| 01:59.40 | charzero | SerajewelKS: if i /etc/init.d/xdm start, it should start xdm on vt7, right? |
| 02:00.15 | Plater | bws: exactly, so i have no idea. i must be doing something wrong! (probably something very stupid) ;) |
| 02:00.50 | Plater | loather: now reading iwconfig: wifi0 -> IEEE 802.11-DS Mode: Managed Encryption key:off |
| 02:00.56 | SerajewelKS | charzero: sure, if your X configuration isn't screwed |
| 02:00.57 | Plater | so I do not reading my ESSID setting |
| 02:01.08 | bws42 | Plater aren't there even modules in the kernel to support that chipset? |
| 02:01.14 | loather | Plater: you should have something like: http://pastebin.com/742191 as output from iwconfig. |
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| 02:01.30 | charzero | SerajewelKS: I can 'startx' just fine. /etc/init.d/xdm doesn't do anything. no xdm process. no X process. no logs. |
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| 02:01.54 | krnl`- | hi all |
| 02:01.56 | SerajewelKS | charzero: try running xdm directly? |
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| 02:02.00 | krnl`- | how can i add a default path to search apps for? |
| 02:02.04 | jetscreamer | it's 2112 baybee |
| 02:02.13 | krnl`- | as like /usr/bin |
| 02:02.59 | Plater | loather: not even close to that. i wrote you all i see when doing iwconfig wifi0 |
| 02:03.14 | Plater | ifconfig wifi0 gives more info like yours |
| 02:03.20 | charzero | SerajewelKS: kdm works fine. i'll just use that. |
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| 02:03.55 | Plater | bws: yes, modules are hostap, orinoco, wlan-ng etc |
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| 02:04.49 | SerajewelKS | charzero: ok |
| 02:05.14 | loather | Plater: what version of wireless-tools do you have? |
| 02:05.34 | Plater | loather: i see what you mean. on desktop system i get same iwconfig results as you |
| 02:05.52 | Plater | loather: how i check version? |
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| 02:06.15 | loather | iwconfig --version |
| 02:06.41 | Plater | Wireless-Tools version 27 |
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| 02:07.04 | zenetio | . |
| 02:07.25 | Plater | kernel: currently compiled with wireless extension v19 |
| 02:07.28 | zenetio | someone know how can I delete my icewm and return to my knoppix desktop? |
| 02:07.35 | Plater | wifi0: same |
| 02:09.52 | zenetio | I mean, how can I change my windows manager? |
| 02:09.55 | cheal | zenetio: this is a Debian support channel. ask #knoppix |
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| 02:10.57 | Plater | loather: it seems like cardmgr recognize that some 802.11 card is inserted in socket, but cant read properties from this device |
| 02:11.37 | Plater | i have tried also other similar intersil prism card, but same results, so cant really be card i think. both work in win32 |
| 02:12.40 | Plater | and if i try: ifconfig wifi0 up - then iwconfig reads -> wifi0: no wireless extensions - and i have to re-enter the card to get at least a few details there with wifi0 |
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| 02:13.52 | Plater | loather: you sure i need HostAP for this Senao card, im pretty much sure, but i can easily switch to wlan-ng driver (which should also work i think..) |
| 02:14.05 | loather | you don't want hostap |
| 02:14.10 | loather | you want wlan-ng probably. |
| 02:14.19 | loather | hostap is to configure a wireless access point. |
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| 02:15.10 | sussudio_ | :-| |
| 02:15.21 | sussudio_ | !smp =~ s#/smp-faq/#/Beowulf/smp-faq/prive/mentre/smp-faq/# |
| 02:15.21 | dpkg | that's too long, sussudio_ |
| 02:15.28 | sussudio_ | ... |
| 02:15.40 | Plater | loather: ok switching driver and rebooting (just to make sure) |
| 02:16.21 | Plater | hostapd is for AP's i thought |
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| 02:18.55 | sussudio_ | !smp =~ s #/brahma/smp-faq/#/Beowulf/smp-faq/prive/mentre/smp-faq/# |
| 02:19.13 | sussudio_ | !test |
| 02:19.13 | dpkg | No, sussudio_, you're not online any more. |
| 02:19.52 | Plater | loather: loading wlan-ng now. green led is off from card. iwconfig gives wlan0: no wireless extensions |
| 02:20.22 | wut | is there any program i can apt-get to uncompress .rar files? |
| 02:20.28 | sussudio_ | wut: yes |
| 02:20.46 | loather | is there a wlanconfig thing that you have to do to create a virtual station? |
| 02:20.55 | loather | i've never worked with prism cards before. |
| 02:21.08 | Plater | loather: asking me? |
| 02:22.02 | loather | yeah. i know with atheros (madwifi) boards you need to use a utility called wlanconfig to create a virtual station |
| 02:22.16 | loather | i'm wondering if wlan-ng is the same way |
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| 02:23.09 | Plater | well normally i would say yes. if i read manual for wlan-ng then a lot to do. but this is now included as far as i know |
| 02:23.25 | Plater | distros now claim that configuring wlans is as easy as it is in win32 |
| 02:23.56 | Plater | im using now BACKTRACK |
| 02:24.01 | Plater | they just released v1 today |
| 02:24.04 | Plater | or this week i mean |
| 02:24.16 | Plater | it's specifically for wlans |
| 02:24.20 | Plater | and security |
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| 02:24.44 | redblades | Hi, I'm using FluxBox |
| 02:24.49 | cheal | !tell Plater about enter |
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| 02:25.07 | redblades | I'm looking for a way to put a link to my home folder on the desktop |
| 02:25.23 | Supaplex | so many projects so little time |
| 02:25.31 | Plater | it has included in menu: Switch to hostAP - Switch to Orinoco - Switch to wlan-ng - Load IPW3945 |
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| 02:27.59 | Plater | Subject: Setting up the Prism2 (inc. Senao) cards using hostap drivers |
| 02:28.03 | Plater | from google |
| 02:28.23 | Plater | so i guess i was right, hostapd is for ap's |
| 02:28.47 | edison | Help, i want to execute an bash script at startup how can i do it ? |
| 02:28.48 | mosty | i'm having trouble installing grub. when i run grub hd0, it says it's probing bios devices and may take a while, but it takes up 98% of my cpu for several minutes, when i give up and kill it. what could be wrong? i'm using xfs, but i thought that should work nowadays |
| 02:28.53 | mosty | edison, man init |
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| 02:30.32 | edison | mosty, i think they are a place to put the script but i don't remeber where |
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| 02:30.49 | mosty | edison, the init manpage tells you where |
| 02:31.49 | charzero | where should i put commands that i want run on boot? |
| 02:31.57 | mosty | charzero, man init |
| 02:32.50 | charzero | mosty: not a daemon, just stuff like hdparm. doesn't debian have a script for those kind of things? |
| 02:33.06 | matej_ | How to pin kanotix archive as a side-pool for Debian/unstable? Unfortunately, it seems that Releases for kanotix uses Origin: Debian (now wise, IMHO) and I don't how to distinguish them. |
| 02:33.07 | mosty | charzero, not sure, i just write my own |
| 02:34.02 | charzero | mosty: do you just put scripts in rc2.d or something? |
| 02:34.19 | mosty | charzero, no, only links go in there. see man init for the details |
| 02:34.51 | charzero | mosty: but at any rate, you're writing init scripts for it. rc2.d/bootup -> ../init.d/bootup or something? |
| 02:35.03 | charzero | (i konw my rc?.d/ syntax is wrong) |
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| 02:35.25 | mosty | charzero, sort of yes. but there is a naming scheme for the links that debian uses, and you should probably follow |
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| 02:36.56 | sanmarcos | what can I do to remove a package that says E: The package truecrypt needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. ? |
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| 02:38.12 | wimp | anyone here fmailar with running directfb on debian? |
| 02:39.01 | charzero | wimp: unless you have a matrox, don't do it. |
| 02:39.06 | wimp | why not? |
| 02:39.19 | charzero | wimp: it crashes a lot with most cards. |
| 02:39.31 | wimp | even if I tolerate everytying being done in software? |
| 02:40.10 | wimp | are there any other alternatives to X? |
| 02:40.19 | wimp | ideally, I'd be happy to just have OpenGL running on top of my kernel |
| 02:40.23 | wimp | and doing graphics stuff in openGL |
| 02:40.25 | charzero | wimp: unfortunately no, not on linux. |
| 02:40.38 | wimp | on other open source OS's ? |
| 02:40.48 | charzero | wimp: xdirectfb with Matrox G450 is freaking awesome, but still crash-prone. |
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| 02:41.02 | charzero | wimp: I hear apple's display system is nice. |
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| 02:41.31 | charzero | wimp: but in linux, we're stuck with http://pepper.idge.net/disaster.html |
| 02:41.46 | charzero | (: |
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| 02:43.00 | charzero | what ever happened to NeWS? or fresco/berlin? |
| 02:43.29 | cshaman | I use Aterm as my XShell. I setup some application defaults in ~/.Xdefaults, and when I launch the program from my window manager's menu, the settings are applied as they should. But, when the program is run from another program such as Links, it opens a new XShell with the program's default settings. Is there a way to prevent this from happening? |
| 02:44.07 | charzero | cshaman: put "xrdb ~/.Xresources" in your .xinitrc/.xsession |
| 02:44.23 | charzero | or rather, xrdb ~/.Xdefaults |
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| 02:46.45 | jpinto | Hi, i have a gigabit card that gets detected with debian-installer (using netinst) and downloads packets, etc, but after the installation, the ethernet card doesn't get detected! What could this be? |
| 02:47.20 | jpinto | after the first reboot i mean.. the card isn't detected... |
| 02:47.37 | jpinto | ifconfig -a doesn't show it |
| 02:47.51 | charzero | jpinto: did you try to load the module? (do you kow what module it was?) |
| 02:47.59 | kurumin | Hello People |
| 02:48.30 | jpinto | charzero: hmm.. nope, how can i find the module? is it in the log? |
| 02:48.39 | charzero | jpinto: what card is it? |
| 02:48.53 | jpinto | it's on motherboard, gigabit marvell |
| 02:48.58 | cshaman | charzero: Thanks! |
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| 02:49.54 | cshaman | charzero: Should that line go in .xinitrc or .xsession? |
| 02:49.54 | rajulocal | Does anyone know how to log out of ion window manager? |
| 02:50.04 | charzero | cshaman: do you have both? |
| 02:51.06 | cshaman | charzero: I have .xinitrc in my homedir. |
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| 02:51.26 | charzero | cshaman: then that should do it |
| 02:51.47 | cshaman | charzero: Thanks. |
| 02:52.23 | Plater | can anyone please help me with config of Senao SL-2511CD PLUS (Intersil Prism 2.5 Chipset) pcmcia wlan card? I am using BackTrack distro, which have Host AP and Wlan-ng drivers already installed. using Host AP at the moment.. many problems still ! anyone can help? pleeeease ;)a |
| 02:52.57 | charzero | rajulocal: look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net. see if you see something to the effect of sk98lin.ko |
| 02:53.24 | rajulocal | ?? |
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| 02:53.35 | charzero | rajulocal: try running "modprobe sk98lin" |
| 02:53.44 | jpinto | charzero: that hint was for me i guess.. (rajulocal sorry..) |
| 02:53.52 | charzero | oops. |
| 02:53.53 | charzero | sorry |
| 02:53.55 | jpinto | :) |
| 02:54.05 | jpinto | already tried that, didn't work |
| 02:54.07 | charzero | rajulocal: i've never heard of the ion window manager. sorry. |
| 02:54.14 | charzero | jpinto: what happened when you did it? |
| 02:54.29 | rajulocal | charzero: no problem. Thanks anyway. |
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| 02:55.06 | jpinto | hmm.. i tried it before.. not now, but let'me try it (right now i booted the computer with rescue option, and with lspci i see marvell ethernet, and with lsmod i don't see sk98lin loaded) |
| 02:55.22 | charzero | rajulocal: you can always cheat and use ctrl+alt+backspace (: |
| 02:55.43 | jpinto | charzero: you think i should boot and try sk98lin again? |
| 02:56.11 | charzero | jpinto: give it a shot |
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| 02:56.44 | rajulocal | charzero: But that will kill it right? |
| 02:57.07 | charzero | rajulocal: that will kill X |
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| 02:58.41 | jpinto | charzero, did modprobe sk98lin, nothing happened |
| 02:58.53 | charzero | try ifconfig now |
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| 03:00.38 | jpinto | charzero, nope.. nothing, ifconfig -a show nothing |
| 03:00.47 | jpinto | only lo |
| 03:01.48 | jpinto | sk98lin is loaded, there is only one line with sk98lin with lsmod (sk98lin <number> 0) |
| 03:02.16 | jpinto | Don't know how can this work so well with debian installer... and then, doesn't get detected |
| 03:02.44 | jpinto | i wen't to bios and disabled firewire controller... did another fresh install.. and nothing |
| 03:03.08 | jpinto | after first reboot, i lose the ethernet card |
| 03:03.46 | lenovo | my cpu is celeron 300a, can i run sarge with gnome smoothly? |
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| 03:05.30 | charzero | jpinto: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 03:06.22 | jpinto | 2.6 |
| 03:06.33 | charzero | is that what the installer used? |
| 03:07.01 | jpinto | yes (2.6.15-1-486) its a pentium D 3.2 |
| 03:08.15 | jpinto | Well.... :/ i _am_ using a tesing netinst version (build yesterday), i'm dowloading right now the neinst version of etch_beta2 |
| 03:08.23 | jpinto | tesing = testing |
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| 03:09.02 | jpinto | just hope it's about some problem on this installer.... |
| 03:10.07 | charzero | jpinto: you could try building your own kernel and compiling in the driver. |
| 03:10.37 | charzero | i had to do that with the netinst. after reboot it lost my ide controller. |
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| 03:11.00 | jpinto | hmm.. with etch_beta2? or one of the latest? |
| 03:11.19 | charzero | jpinto: that was with the 3.1 i think |
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| 03:12.31 | acurax | Can someone help me with my screen resolution? |
| 03:12.39 | jpinto | actually, i have never compiled a kernel in my life.... i'm really trying to skip that part :| trying to get other things done also.. but if i don't have a choice, i guess i'll try it |
| 03:12.51 | charzero | jpinto: try it. its fun! |
| 03:12.57 | jpinto | eheh :) |
| 03:13.05 | charzero | lspci is your friend. |
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| 03:13.32 | charzero | acurax: whats the problem? |
| 03:13.41 | cshaman | I saw that the Debian package list has the latest Python, and promptly installed it. But, when I tried to uninstall my old version of Python, apt-get listed several programs that would be uninstalled due to this -- how can I get the latest version of Python without removing a large load of applications? |
| 03:13.43 | acurax | I just did a net install for debian stable |
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| 03:13.47 | cmm3 | how do i specificy a port in irssi? |
| 03:13.51 | acurax | And i only have choice of two reso's |
| 03:13.57 | acurax | I need 1280 x 1029 |
| 03:14.02 | acurax | 1024* |
| 03:14.02 | charzero | cshaman: apt-get update |
| 03:14.38 | acurax | and i need to add the testing sources to my apt if you could also help with that. |
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| 03:14.41 | charzero | acurax: is that in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 03:14.47 | acurax | I have to edit it. |
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| 03:15.14 | cshaman | charzero: If you look at the package list, both python2.3 and python2.4 are featured. When I run apt-get update/upgrade, python is not upgraded. |
| 03:15.16 | charzero | cshaman: apt-get upgrade i mean |
| 03:15.51 | charzero | cshaman: can you apt-get install python2.4, then remove 2.3 after? |
| 03:15.55 | acurax | XF86Config-4 |
| 03:16.00 | acurax | Is my config |
| 03:16.16 | charzero | acurax: first switch to testing. edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change "stable" to "testing" |
| 03:16.48 | cshaman | charzero: That is what I attempted, and apt-get listed many programs that would have to be removed due to the removal of 2.3 |
| 03:17.02 | cshaman | XChat, and a whole load of KDE apps etc. |
| 03:17.06 | acurax | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 03:17.07 | charzero | acurax: then "apt-get update" then "apt-get dist-upgrade", then come back to your X issue. |
| 03:17.13 | acurax | Ok |
| 03:17.16 | jhenn | I'm having a problem with the installer. It's going really slow at the Partitioning stage, but when it gets to 100% it freezes. I've been sitting here for a while and nothing is happening on the screen. |
| 03:17.36 | acurax | should that fix it? |
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| 03:18.14 | acurax | How do i configure my sound card, i installed alsa |
| 03:18.48 | charzero | acurax: when switching to testing i think you'll switch from xfree86 to xorg |
| 03:19.22 | Drizzt321 | acurax: as root, run 'alsaconf' without the quotes around it |
| 03:19.31 | charzero | acurax: I think you need to read the installation manual |
| 03:19.40 | acurax | Yeah i do. |
| 03:19.45 | Drizzt321 | acurax: should be pretty automatic from there unless you have an oddball sound card, or a really old ISA card |
| 03:20.21 | acurax | ok it's working |
| 03:20.33 | acurax | 1 more thing how do i mount my ntfs drive then ill be done for the night? |
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| 03:22.06 | phogg | acurax: safe read only support has been present in recent kernels. Just mount ntfs like any other partition. |
| 03:22.33 | jhenn | My installer is stuck at 100% on the partitioning stage. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to do? |
| 03:23.03 | phogg | jhenn: hit F2 and examine the situation? |
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| 03:23.30 | jhenn | phogg: Now it went to a blue screen with gray line at bottom except one black box on left bottom. |
| 03:24.12 | jhenn | phogg: F2 makes little characters come on the bottom gray line and black box dissapeared. |
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| 03:24.44 | towl- | !list |
| 03:24.44 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to towl-@is.a.fucktard.com |
| 03:24.54 | jhenn | phogg: F2 does this [[[B^ |
| 03:25.02 | jhenn | phogg: on the screen |
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| 03:25.17 | towl- | is this where i can download stuff at |
| 03:25.53 | jhenn | towl-: define "stuff" |
| 03:26.11 | towl- | i want mp3s and apps |
| 03:26.25 | Drizzt321 | ow, no, this is not towl- |
| 03:26.32 | Drizzt321 | towl-: nor anywhere else on this irc server |
| 03:26.47 | Drizzt321 | well, the mp3 part, and apps...if you mean illegally cracked software, not here |
| 03:26.47 | towl- | aye yer thats me |
| 03:27.10 | towl- | thats it probably you know of anywhere |
| 03:27.47 | susp3ct | hi guys, is there an alternative way of recognising a hard disk that i just put in my hot swapable drive bay without restarting? |
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| 03:28.04 | Drizzt321 | susp3ct: ide or sata? or scsi? |
| 03:28.09 | susp3ct | ide |
| 03:28.26 | Drizzt321 | susp3ct: erm...I _think_ there might be a way, but I wouldn't want to venture a guess. |
| 03:28.34 | Drizzt321 | susp3ct: with ide, its much, much safer to restart |
| 03:28.59 | Drizzt321 | sata...most of the newer stuff supports the hot-swap, not sure about the drivers tho |
| 03:29.09 | susp3ct | Drizzt321, ok kewl thanks |
| 03:29.17 | Drizzt321 | susp3ct: your welcome |
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| 03:30.45 | acronos | Can anyone help me with a video card problem? |
| 03:30.51 | masterdeform | i cant insal files. |
| 03:31.11 | sid | acronos: I doubt anyone can help you if you don't ask a question. |
| 03:31.15 | sid | !tell acronos about ask |
| 03:31.21 | Drizzt321 | erm...yes, please, be more specifric |
| 03:31.23 | Drizzt321 | specific* |
| 03:31.46 | acronos | ok |
| 03:31.57 | masterdeform | i can,t instal files |
| 03:32.00 | marco13185 | ughh, my front and rear channels keep losing sync |
| 03:32.02 | acronos | How do you determine what the current driver is for the xserver? |
| 03:32.14 | marco13185 | and my sound is REALLY weird |
| 03:32.18 | acronos | I chose nv in the install |
| 03:32.21 | Drizzt321 | masterdeform: and what exactly do you mean by that please? |
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| 03:32.32 | sid | acronos: What version of debian are you running? |
| 03:32.37 | sid | acronos: xorg or xfree86? |
| 03:32.45 | acronos | xfree86 I think |
| 03:32.57 | acronos | I don't know what version of debian. I just downloaded it though. |
| 03:33.05 | sid | acronos: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:33.12 | acronos | one sec sid |
| 03:33.14 | sid | acronos: check your config file in /etc/X11 |
| 03:33.17 | masterdeform | help whith kpackage. |
| 03:33.26 | sid | cat /etc/X11/XF*|grep -i driver |
| 03:33.48 | towl- | and where can i download cracked software |
| 03:33.49 | Drizzt321 | masterdeform: ok, what is the problem you are having? any error messages would be helpful if they won't take up more than a few lines |
| 03:33.58 | Drizzt321 | towl-: please stop asking about that in here |
| 03:34.02 | Drizzt321 | towl-: or anywhere on this irc network |
| 03:34.13 | sid | towl-: What software do you want? |
| 03:34.13 | acronos | version 3.1 sid |
| 03:34.21 | sid | acronos: That is sarge(stable/3.1) |
| 03:34.36 | sid | acronos: What are you trying to do? |
| 03:34.37 | masterdeform | bittorrent |
| 03:34.41 | sid | You want 3 acceleration? |
| 03:34.49 | acronos | Which file in /etc/X11? |
| 03:34.52 | Drizzt321 | masterdeform: um...could you please be more specific? |
| 03:34.57 | towl- | Drizzt321: understood, miscellaneous |
| 03:35.09 | sid | acronos: I'm not sure of the name... XFree86-Config or something like that |
| 03:35.39 | acronos | XF86Config-4? |
| 03:35.43 | sid | yes |
| 03:35.54 | cshaman | Which of the following graphics libraries tend to run the fastest?: X, svga, sdl |
| 03:35.56 | towl- | sid: accessable things a variety lol |
| 03:35.59 | acronos | less XF86Config-4 |
| 03:36.08 | acronos | Oops wrong place |
| 03:36.11 | sid | acronos: That file is the configuration settings for X, that file contains what driver you're using. |
| 03:36.20 | sid | acronos: cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4|grep -i driver |
| 03:36.34 | sid | acronos: You'll see Driver "ati" or Driver "nv" or something like that. |
| 03:36.37 | acronos | k |
| 03:36.39 | sid | Possibly Driver "vesa" |
| 03:37.15 | sid | acronos: What are you trying to do...You want 3d acceleration so you can play games?... acronos is this a desktop machine or a production server? |
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| 03:37.59 | acronos | production server |
| 03:38.05 | acronos | Trying to increase screen resolution |
| 03:38.12 | cshaman | Which of the following graphics libraries tend to run the fastest?: X, svgalib, sdl |
| 03:38.13 | acronos | Max at 800x600 |
| 03:38.15 | sid | acronos: That is also in that file. |
| 03:38.16 | sid | !drxx |
| 03:38.16 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 03:38.18 | jhenn | this install is going so slowly. anyone know any causes of a slow install? |
| 03:38.24 | sid | acronos: type this "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 03:38.33 | jhenn | like it freezes at X% |
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| 03:38.36 | sid | And select 1024x768 with the space bar, then go to ok |
| 03:38.55 | brownie17 | can anyone help me? i just plugged in a USB device, and it's not appearing in /media |
| 03:39.06 | jhenn | brownie17: usb drive? |
| 03:39.13 | Drizzt321 | brownie17: do you have usb-storage module loaded? |
| 03:39.29 | jhenn | brownie17: try mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
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| 03:40.19 | sortadi | shit, somebody wrote me something in here |
| 03:40.30 | sortadi | and now the convo has gone too far to have a look at it |
| 03:40.33 | brownie17 | jhenn, you must specifiy the filesystem type |
| 03:40.48 | brownie17 | Drizzt321, yes, do i have to mount it at every startup |
| 03:40.59 | bztunk | wtf? sid is talking? |
| 03:40.59 | Drizzt321 | brownie17: probably, yes |
| 03:41.21 | jhenn | brownie17: so do it |
| 03:41.25 | jhenn | brownie17: man mount |
| 03:41.28 | Drizzt321 | brownie17: do you just have a /media/cdrom and thats it? or do you also have something like usb? |
| 03:41.51 | brownie17 | Drizzt321, just cdrom1 cdrom0 hda1 |
| 03:42.01 | brownie17 | Drizzt321, none are the usb device |
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| 03:42.27 | acronos | sid: it is asking much tougher questions than the first install. What is "video cards bus identifier"? |
| 03:42.34 | Drizzt321 | brownie17: well, you can mount the usb to anywhere really, I was just wondering if there was already a mountpoint setup for it |
| 03:42.38 | bztunk | acronos: press enter |
| 03:42.40 | Drizzt321 | brownie17: check in /mnt as well |
| 03:42.48 | acronos | k |
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| 03:43.55 | brownie17 | Drizzt321, there's nothing in /mnt and there's no item called /dev/sda(anything) |
| 03:45.00 | Drizzt321 | brownie17: really? hmm... 'lsmod | less' and look for usb-storage, sr_mod, sd_mod, and sg |
| 03:45.10 | jpinto | how can i know wich module is loaded that is running eth0 ? |
| 03:45.17 | acronos | Ok. This may be where I made my mistake. It is asking if my monitor is LCD however, my monitor is going through an analog KVM switch than has prevented all the other distributions I have tried from recognizing the monitor. Should I say yes or no? |
| 03:45.23 | Drizzt321 | jpinto: look at dmesg or /var/log/syslog |
| 03:45.30 | jpinto | Drizzt321, ok thanks |
| 03:45.36 | Drizzt321 | jpinto: np |
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| 03:46.14 | woodland | hi |
| 03:46.34 | brownie17 | Drizzt321, they're all loaded |
| 03:46.38 | susp3ct | Drizzt321, ive tried booting with both devices, but bios doesnt seem to like it. I want to boot from sata(which is what im running on now) and i just want bios to detect the ide drive and treat it as a secondary. ive played around in the bios settings but to avail i cant get it to work. any suggestions, is there alot involved with the alternative that you mentioned? |
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| 03:46.56 | Drizzt321 | brownie17: hm...check to see if you have a /proc/scsi/ dir |
| 03:47.21 | woodland | has anybody here used slackware |
| 03:47.26 | jpinto | Drizzt321, i have one line that says: .. kernel: sk2 eth0 enabling interface.. is sky2 the module? |
| 03:47.32 | brownie17 | Drizzt321, there is such a folder |
| 03:47.33 | acronos | Any idea sid? |
| 03:47.34 | jpinto | lsmod shows it's loaded |
| 03:47.40 | Drizzt321 | jpinto: sk2, yea, I'd say probably |
| 03:47.46 | jpinto | ok, thanks |
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| 03:48.01 | Drizzt321 | brownie17: ok, cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 03:48.29 | brownie17 | Drizzt321, no attached devices |
| 03:48.43 | Drizzt321 | susp3ct: hrm. so the problem is the BIOS won't recognize your IDE drive if it is in the bay when you power on? |
| 03:48.52 | susp3ct | Drizzt321, never mind :) just checked dmesg and it shows up |
| 03:48.58 | Drizzt321 | susp3ct: ah, ok :) |
| 03:49.15 | woodland | has anybody here used gentoo ? |
| 03:49.36 | jhenn | anyone what would cause an install to go really slow, for example getting stuck on various percetages? |
| 03:50.17 | woodland | i have had problems with aptitude |
| 03:50.29 | Drizzt321 | woodland: what kind of problems? |
| 03:50.37 | acronos | jhenn, bad harddrive, memory problems. It could be a lot of things. |
| 03:50.51 | acronos | jhenn, typically hard drive |
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| 03:51.57 | Alex24NJ | Bah, my Xchat for Winblows crashed as I was about to type something, forgot if it was on this channel. Did someone ask if someone used Gentoo? I did a bit. |
| 03:52.13 | Drizzt321 | Alex24NJ: yea, I think woodland did |
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| 03:52.22 | goudkov | hi guys. is there a way for me to type non-standard characters without having to use a chatacter map and paste them in X? something like alt-nnn? |
| 03:52.43 | woodland | Drizzt321: when i install something using aptitude , and when i purge the same thing, there is difference in amount of space used for installing and purging. that should not happen with aptitude |
| 03:52.47 | jhenn | acronos: it was fine earlier |
| 03:52.50 | bztunk | goudkov: you can use the 'intl' XkbVariant |
| 03:53.06 | jhenn | acronos: only thing i did was a DBAN autonuke on it |
| 03:53.09 | mosty | how can i debug an initrd? i created an image with initramfs-tools, but it doesn't appear to be used even though it's in my lilo config. what could be wrong/how can i debug this? |
| 03:53.16 | sid | acronos: What's up? |
| 03:53.19 | Drizzt321 | woodland: why not? various config files sometimes gets generated during install, which might make it slightly larger to purge |
| 03:53.22 | woodland | Alex24NJ: yes, thanx i asked that question. how was your experience with gentoo |
| 03:53.45 | Drizzt321 | woodland: although, when it installs, it also takes into consideration how much it needs to download, so it needs to make sure it has the space to do so, and also to unpack it |
| 03:53.47 | acronos | sid, do you want me to respond here or in the other thread I started? |
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| 03:53.57 | goudkov | bztunk: do you know where i can read up on this? |
| 03:54.00 | Alex24NJ | It was great, but I only use it in fast situations, takes forever to compile stuff in VMware or slow PC. |
| 03:54.04 | woodland | Drizzt321: ok |
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| 03:54.13 | acronos | Not sure jhenn. sorry |
| 03:54.16 | davidh | hi there |
| 03:54.24 | davidh | need some help on aftpd |
| 03:54.46 | woodland | Alex24NJ: but since your are compiling everything from source, wouldnt that make things fast ?? |
| 03:54.58 | mosty | woodland, not really |
| 03:55.03 | Alex24NJ | I think Gentoo is best server distro is you want latest still-warm packages. I use it for things like trying to get apps working w/o X (direct-fb). |
| 03:55.26 | davidh | I just installed the atftpd package but don't know how to start the service. I have logout and login again. When typed atfthd nothing happen |
| 03:55.50 | woodland | Alex24NJ: ok |
| 03:55.55 | Alex24NJ | Yes, but because you need to devote a couple hours each week to compiling the updates, it's not worth it unless stuff compiles quickly. If you're always compiling in the background, it's not worth it. |
| 03:56.00 | woodland | has anybody tried slackware here |
| 03:56.27 | davidh | any suggestion? |
| 03:56.29 | mosty | woodland, most people waste more time compiling stuff than they gain at runtime. and unless you know what you're doing, over-optimising can make lots of software run slower |
| 03:56.49 | woodland | mosty: ok |
| 03:56.50 | Alex24NJ | A number of things are different, so if you use to Gentoo-specific commands (rc-update, etc), you feel weird using a typical distro. |
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| 03:57.05 | Drizzt321 | davidh: thats because it runs as a daemon, a service in the background |
| 03:57.22 | Drizzt321 | davidh: if you type 'ps aux | grep aftpd' you'll see its most likely running |
| 03:57.46 | woodland | Alex24NJ: i want to use a distro as close to unix as possible, so which one should i use. or should i stick to debian |
| 03:57.47 | Drizzt321 | davidh: to start/stop you need to run the /etc/init.d/aftpd <start|stop> or something similar to that filename |
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| 03:58.08 | davidh | Drizzt321: How do I configure so that I can place file in some dicretory for ftp? |
| 03:58.18 | sanmarcos | must openssh public keys in debian must be placed on the server's root dir? as in the user that runs the sshd (root) ? |
| 03:58.25 | Drizzt321 | davidh: for that, you'd have to consult the aftpd documentation. try googling aftpd and get to the website |
| 03:58.47 | brownie17 | Drizzt321, i still can't get it to show up at all |
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| 03:58.55 | acurax | Ok it's all fixed now |
| 03:58.56 | brownie17 | not even in the hal-device-manager |
| 03:59.05 | acurax | How do i get ntfs support? |
| 03:59.19 | Drizzt321 | brownie17: look in your syslog, /var/log/syslog (requires root privs) and look for when you insert it and see what it recognizes it as |
| 03:59.21 | brownie17 | Drizzt321, the device's screen says usb connect, and it appears to be connected fine, but it's just not showing up |
| 03:59.28 | Drizzt321 | acurax: try 'modprobe ntfs' |
| 03:59.35 | Drizzt321 | acurax: that should give you the read-only driver |
| 03:59.42 | Drizzt321 | brownie17: odd |
| 04:00.16 | ootput | is it possible to exclude certain file types when issuing a no-parent recursive wget on a directory? |
| 04:00.32 | acurax | I get nothing |
| 04:00.43 | davidh | Drizzt321: Type `/etc/init.d/atftpd start`; seem ok no complain. But still I am not able to see the process deamon running |
| 04:00.49 | Ronin | acurax: define ntfs support, r or rw? |
| 04:01.11 | acurax | r |
| 04:01.14 | acurax | so i canm ount it |
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| 04:01.18 | Drizzt321 | davidh: check syslog to see if it complained |
| 04:01.20 | acurax | then i'd like rw after |
| 04:01.28 | Drizzt321 | ootput: should be able to, check the wget man page |
| 04:01.48 | Ronin | acurax: not supported or suggested as i recall, little thing about crashing the system as i recall |
| 04:01.48 | davidh | Drizzt321: Sorry for my ignorance. How do check syslog? |
| 04:02.04 | acurax | what about so i can at least mount it and play my music? |
| 04:02.09 | acurax | mount* |
| 04:02.16 | Drizzt321 | davidh: syslog is where pretty much all system log messages go |
| 04:02.28 | brownie17 | davidh, sudo gedit /var/log/syslog |
| 04:02.42 | Drizzt321 | davidh: requires root privelages to read, so you need to get to root, and use less or more, whichever you prefer to read /var/log/syslog |
| 04:02.52 | Drizzt321 | or gedit |
| 04:02.55 | Drizzt321 | whatever suits your fancy |
| 04:03.10 | acronos | Is the best way to restart the freex86 server to reboot? |
| 04:04.00 | Drizzt321 | acronos: you can always kill it, ctl-alt-backspace, or stop the xdm/gdm/etc that you used to login to x, then restart that particular daemon and relogin |
| 04:04.27 | davidh | Drizzt321: Do I need to reboot the machine? I installed it, but only logout and login |
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| 04:04.49 | Drizzt321 | davidh: hrm? shouldn't need to reboot |
| 04:05.48 | davidh | Drizzt321: what is hrm? |
| 04:06.05 | Drizzt321 | nothing specific, pretty similar to hmm |
| 04:06.17 | davidh | Drizzt321: The log file is huge. Any specifc to grep? |
| 04:06.20 | Drizzt321 | sorry if I confused you |
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| 04:06.35 | Drizzt321 | davidh: no, but you can go to the bottom and work your way up from there |
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| 04:08.01 | acurax | is there something i have to install to mount my ntfs drive? |
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| 04:08.43 | Drizzt321 | acurax: if your kernel has it built in, or as a module, no |
| 04:08.52 | Drizzt321 | acurax: beyond loading the module if you need to |
| 04:08.54 | jimmy__ | will 400Mhz PC-3200 ram work ok on my motherboard which has a 266mhz FSB? presumably the ram will just appear/behave slower than what its rated for, correct? |
| 04:09.02 | acurax | How do i load the module? |
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| 04:09.12 | Drizzt321 | acurax: 'modprobe ntfs' |
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| 04:09.24 | Drizzt321 | Jimmy_: yes, it will |
| 04:09.26 | Drizzt321 | just fine |
| 04:09.30 | acurax | I get nothing when i do that |
| 04:09.32 | Drizzt321 | it'll simply run at the slower speed |
| 04:09.47 | tuv | what tools can prevent running two instances of the same program simultaneously? |
| 04:09.47 | Drizzt321 | acurax: check /proc/filesystems |
| 04:09.53 | Drizzt321 | acurax: if you see ntfs in there, you''re good |
| 04:10.05 | acurax | bash: /proc/filesystems: Permission denied |
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| 04:10.25 | sanmarcos | what is a good solution for doing backups? |
| 04:10.29 | iter | unison |
| 04:10.33 | Drizzt321 | acurax: probably need root privs to take a look at it |
| 04:10.40 | Drizzt321 | hrm..well, I don't |
| 04:10.41 | Drizzt321 | odd |
| 04:10.42 | acurax | i am logged in as root.. |
| 04:10.51 | jimmy__ | Drizzt321: thanks for your help, time to order some ram :) |
| 04:10.52 | tuv | sanmarcos, rdiff-backup |
| 04:10.52 | Drizzt321 | acurax: you're kidding me? |
| 04:10.58 | iter | might not exist |
| 04:10.58 | acurax | No im not |
| 04:11.03 | iter | ls /proc |
| 04:11.05 | Drizzt321 | jimmy__: indeed, and PC3200 is fairly cheap |
| 04:11.10 | davidh | Drizzt321: in viewing the file, I have unlated question. Everytime I rebooted the machine, it says `pciehp can't be loaded` among other errors Do you know how to fix it. The syslog file has the entry: localhost kernel: pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 |
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| 04:11.30 | sanmarcos | tuv: tell me your experience |
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| 04:11.43 | rohan | hi all |
| 04:11.48 | Drizzt321 | acurax: I meant more that it gave you the permission denied |
| 04:11.53 | brokencluster | hi |
| 04:12.17 | Drizzt321 | davidh: erm...not sure. sounds like its either a PCI-Express, or ACPI driver problem |
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| 04:12.50 | rohan | the sound system in sid is broken badly ? if i do "aoss firefox" it crashes randomly, kde spews error messages about arts continously, so i need to constantly click on "Close". the problem is worked about by disabling the sound system in kde .. but, is it a known problem ? |
| 04:13.01 | susp3ct | whats an app that i can use to see partitions on a disk before mounting? |
| 04:13.12 | Drizzt321 | susp3ct: cfdisk is probably the easiest |
| 04:13.15 | Drizzt321 | susp3ct: for command line |
| 04:13.22 | susp3ct | Drizzt321, ty |
| 04:13.25 | Drizzt321 | susp3ct: qtparted is a pretty good X based program |
| 04:13.36 | sanmarcos | Drizzt321: gparted fucks every other parted gui |
| 04:13.44 | sanmarcos | rohan: its sid |
| 04:13.56 | Drizzt321 | sanmarcos: oh, sorry, I don't really use it, just saw it once |
| 04:14.03 | sanmarcos | rohan: or to quote the Enron dude, "it is what it is" |
| 04:14.09 | rohan | sanmarcos: yes, i am not complaining, just confirming |
| 04:14.14 | tuv | sanmarcos, i use both unison and rdiff-backup.. unison is more of a synchronizer and i use to sync two machines that i work on alternatively. and i use rdiff-backup for backups to a disk that i don't access directly. it has the nice feature of backup history: you can recover a recently deleted file. in short: if you modify the backup directly then you need a synchronizer not a backup tool -> use unison. otherwise use rdiff-backup |
| 04:15.08 | rohan | maybe someone should edit http://wiki.debian.org/Status/Unstable to show the sound problem .. if it is no restricted to my pc only |
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| 04:15.23 | erpo | What's a good FOSS app for drawing flow charts? |
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| 04:16.13 | sanmarcos | tuv: yes, I am using duplicity right now, you should check it out, it isnt bad, it has its holes, but its okay, I guess its just a matter of building your own system with cron a tool, and some scripts, it takes work, like with anything in life |
| 04:16.55 | rohan | and, bleh, imo this move to oftc is lame .. the freenode community is much larger. how about 'joining' the two channels ? i heard some channel that was 'joined' accross freenode, oftc, and efnet |
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| 04:17.15 | tuv | sanmarcos, i looked into duplicity.. its focus is on security.. i was more interested in incremental backup with history |
| 04:18.08 | sanmarcos | tuv: will checkout unison and rdiff-backup |
| 04:18.11 | sanmarcos | tuv: thanks |
| 04:18.18 | tuv | sanmarcos, you can't access the backup directly in duplicity.. have to untar first.. rdiff-backup creates a mirror that looks exactly like the source so you can restore with simple cp |
| 04:18.22 | sanmarcos | tuv: I mean I dont really care about the gpg since I backup locally |
| 04:18.40 | sanmarcos | tuv: thats nice, but I think duplicity has something like --restore |
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| 04:19.26 | tuv | sanmarcos, i'm sure it does.. so does rdiff-backup.. but that's an added convenience |
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| 04:19.55 | tuv | what tools can prevent running two instances of the same program simultaneously? |
| 04:19.57 | leira | i just upgraded the libasound2 package, and when i start mplayer, i got "mplayer: symbol snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels_near, version ALSA_0.9.0rc4 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference" |
| 04:20.17 | tuv | i know about daemontools' setlock, but would like to know about others |
| 04:20.25 | leira | it seems a common problem with libasound, not just mplayer, xine, atrs all got problem |
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| 04:21.02 | davidh | Drizzt321: are you there |
| 04:21.19 | Drizzt321 | davidh: on rare occasions, I try to stay out of my own head if at all possible |
| 04:22.09 | davidh | Drizzt321: When I installed atftpd by using aptitude, seems it is complaining about local? Which path I should select for `local` |
| 04:22.18 | davidh | ./usr/share/locale? |
| 04:22.27 | davidh | ./usr/bin/locale? |
| 04:22.34 | sanmarcos | the god of locales? |
| 04:22.36 | Drizzt321 | davidh: ah, nope |
| 04:22.57 | Drizzt321 | davidh: I think what it is asking for is what dir you want to have on the root of the ftp server by default |
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| 04:27.08 | tzafrir_laptop | davidh, actually, it is probably perl compalining about an incorrect locles settings |
| 04:27.18 | tzafrir_laptop | try 'spkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 04:27.35 | Drizzt321 | tzafrir_laptop: oh...didn't think of that. don't usually have to deal with locales, thanks. |
| 04:28.47 | tzafrir_laptop | Drizzt321, also note that atftpd is TFTP daemon, not an FTP daemon... |
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| 04:29.16 | Drizzt321 | tzafrir_laptop: it is? oh. that makes a difference. drat. |
| 04:29.33 | Drizzt321 | oh, didn't notice that first 't' |
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| 04:33.46 | davidh | hi there. I just installed atftpd package. But not able to see the deamon running. Any suggestion |
| 04:34.10 | sanmarcos | davidh: use proftpd |
| 04:34.17 | sanmarcos | i mean, who knows what aftpd is |
| 04:34.23 | sanmarcos | does it make a difference? |
| 04:34.28 | sanmarcos | for you I mean? |
| 04:34.37 | Drizzt321 | davidh: are you looking for an ftp server? or a tftpd server? |
| 04:34.56 | davidh | Drizzt321: tftp server |
| 04:35.10 | davidh | sanmarcos: what os proftpd? |
| 04:35.11 | Drizzt321 | ah, ok |
| 04:35.56 | sanmarcos | ah then nevermind |
| 04:36.03 | sanmarcos | good luck, you are pretty much doomed |
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| 04:53.00 | dpkg | Yes, supaplex, you're still online. |
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| 04:53.12 | Supaplex | oh good, it's been nearly 15 minutes :P |
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| 04:53.33 | StucKman | yeah, it's too quiet here |
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| 05:03.44 | tuv | how do i prevent a program from starting two instances at a time? |
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| 05:04.06 | dondelelcaro | tuv: you have it check for the existance of a pid file in a location, and not start if such a thing exists. |
| 05:04.18 | dondelelcaro | normally this is only done for daemons |
| 05:05.02 | tuv | dondelelcaro, i need it for getmail running from cron.. isn't there a tool that facilitates this? or do i have to do it by hand? |
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| 05:05.10 | Supaplex | ps -C foo |
| 05:05.52 | icebit | äÏÂÒÏÅ ÕÔÒÏ |
| 05:05.58 | dondelelcaro | tuv: so use pgrep to see if your user is running getmail |
| 05:06.10 | StucKman | tuv: make a script wrappung getmail around some lockfile, like dondelelcaro suggested |
| 05:06.16 | icebit | sorry, good morning |
| 05:06.27 | StucKman | icebit: nights here :) |
| 05:06.38 | icebit | :) |
| 05:06.41 | dondelelcaro | tuv: see http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/getmail if you want to see how I've done it. |
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| 05:07.58 | Ashex | is the nvidia chipset have better support then ati? |
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| 05:08.54 | StucKman | Ashex: yes, both by the closed drivers and the open ones |
| 05:09.11 | tuv | dondelelcaro, thanks.. but i thought there are tools already to do that.. getmail FAQ suggested daemontools' setlock and said others exist, but i couldn't identify any "others".. do you know of any? |
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| 05:09.31 | Ashex | StucKman, awesome, looks like I made a good choice with the GeForce card |
| 05:09.44 | Ashex | What's the command to reconfigure X? |
| 05:09.45 | acronos | I am creating a production server for postgresql. Why is the stable version only 7.2? PGadmin III requires at least 7.4. |
| 05:09.49 | davidh | hi there, I need to install tftp server on my debian PC. WHat packges do you recommend? |
| 05:09.51 | Ashex | Since I'll be switching my cards |
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| 05:10.57 | iter | davidh: uncapping your modem eh |
| 05:11.01 | coywolf | !zxpdf |
| 05:11.02 | coywolf | !find zxpdf |
| 05:11.19 | davidh | iter:??? |
| 05:11.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'zxpdf' (1): (/usr/bin/zxpdf) in text/xpdf-reader. |
| 05:11.27 | iter | ah never mind |
| 05:11.47 | StucKman | acronos: because it's *stable*. rock solid. |
| 05:12.00 | StucKman | acronos: tyr www.backports.org for newer versions |
| 05:12.10 | acronos | How do you use apt to install later versions of an application if you chose the stable release? |
| 05:12.14 | dondelelcaro | tuv: you don't need any tools; it's just a single one liner with pgrep |
| 05:12.18 | acronos | Thanks stuckman |
| 05:12.23 | dondelelcaro | tuv: the tools to do it already exist. |
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| 05:13.14 | dondelelcaro | that's fine, it just has the technical issues with the license |
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| 05:13.45 | Ashex | !audigy |
| 05:13.45 | dpkg | methinks audigy is a fairly new series of soundcards from Creative, it is supposedly supported in the CVS version of the "emu10k1" drivers from opensource.creative.com, or http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9091&group_id=44773, or ask me about alsa |
| 05:13.46 | acronos | Stuckman, is the backport version acceptably stable if not totally rock solid? |
| 05:14.14 | Ashex | I'm using alsa sound drivers for my Audigy1 soundcard |
| 05:14.21 | Ashex | but I only have sound coming out the front |
| 05:15.15 | StucKman | acronos: it has lees warranties on stability and security |
| 05:15.42 | acronos | Have you ever had problems using it? |
| 05:16.21 | acronos | postgres itself is supposed to be stable to 8.1.4 |
| 05:16.53 | StucKman | acronos: as the site sais, most packages are from testing, which has packages with some triage and are release candidates. no, I never used it too much really. most my servers run just stable. this week I'll be trying it for running a newer zope in stable |
| 05:17.36 | acronos | hmmm.... |
| 05:17.41 | StucKman | acronos: but I normally recommend using it. I think it has good acceptance from the debian community |
| 05:18.15 | acronos | I really like pgadmin. I get errors using 7.2 |
| 05:18.24 | seb- | is there a web page with advice on successfully running an UNSTABLE (sid) machine? |
| 05:18.35 | StucKman | acronos: try using a pgadmin from the same version |
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| 05:19.01 | acronos | I am using it for windows too. Not sure how to do that. |
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| 05:19.44 | StucKman | acronos: gimme a sec |
| 05:20.42 | K|NgGh0sT | mplayer hates me |
| 05:21.18 | streuner | seb-: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 05:21.39 | Ashex | !kdm |
| 05:21.39 | dpkg | i heard kdm is the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user |
| 05:21.44 | EdLin | !comfort K|NgGh0sT |
| 05:21.44 | dpkg | There, there, K|NgGh0sT. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:21.44 | Ashex | !gdm |
| 05:21.44 | dpkg | i guess gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 05:21.53 | K|NgGh0sT | yay EdLin |
| 05:22.13 | streuner | !nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 05:22.14 | StucKman | acronos: sorry, what I said about versions was wrong. then, the clientmus be cmpiled for latter versions. |
| 05:22.15 | dpkg | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, streuner |
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| 05:23.14 | K|NgGh0sT | thanks streuner, you're number 1000432432 |
| 05:23.16 | seb- | !sid faq |
| 05:23.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 05:23.31 | streuner | K|NgGh0sT: hehe :-) |
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| 05:23.56 | acronos | I don't understand you stuckman. Which client? |
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| 05:24.09 | streuner | K|NgGh0sT: so what's the problem? |
| 05:24.13 | sid | acronos: Still having trouble? |
| 05:24.17 | sanmarcos | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=186846&cid=15417646 heh |
| 05:24.20 | raden | how can i change the samba server name in network neighboorhofd its sambaversion(login) i want it to be linux |
| 05:24.29 | raden | i tried doing server string = linux and no go |
| 05:24.40 | tuv | dondelelcaro, i guess pgrep really does it.. didn't know of it before.. thanks again |
| 05:24.45 | acronos | for a week sid. started on fedora. sad experience there. |
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| 05:25.28 | streuner | K|NgGh0sT: (mplayer) |
| 05:26.04 | acronos | Got the graphics to work though. Great advice you gave. |
| 05:27.04 | sid | acronos: Any problems now or just hanging out? |
| 05:27.19 | sid | acronos: ok good, glad to see that. |
| 05:27.26 | sid | er |
| 05:27.36 | acronos | stuckman was helping me figure out a problem with postgres. |
| 05:27.50 | raden | anyone tell me how i can make my samba server "Samba 3.0.20b-3.3-SUSE (Jon)" show up as LINUX in windows |
| 05:27.53 | acronos | I think he disapeared though. Maybe doing research. |
| 05:28.10 | StucKman | acronos: dunno, maybe you can use tora or smth like that |
| 05:28.40 | sid | acronos: You could /join #postgres |
| 05:28.55 | sid | acronos: You could /join #postgresql |
| 05:29.13 | sid | 247 people there that could help you. |
| 05:29.27 | phaedra | raden, Just edit the config. |
| 05:29.39 | raden | ive tried many times |
| 05:29.46 | acronos | good though. However, my problem is one of matchint the tool I want to use for windows pgadminIII with the version of postgres offered here in the stable version. |
| 05:29.50 | raden | server string = comment = netbios name = |
| 05:29.53 | raden | nothing changes it |
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| 05:30.03 | raden | phaedra, any ideas ? |
| 05:30.33 | StucKman | ok, bailing out |
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| 05:30.34 | acronos | pgadmin III seems to require version 7.4-8.1 while the stable here is 7.2 |
| 05:30.47 | phaedra | raden, Yes edit the smb.conf line where it has 'Samba Server'... |
| 05:31.22 | raden | there isnt a samba server |
| 05:31.30 | raden | its a very short cut down config |
| 05:31.35 | acronos | wonder if I scared stuckman off? |
| 05:33.37 | phaedra | raden, Look in /etc/samba/smb.conf It's near the top 'server string = Samba Server' Just change the Samba Server part... |
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| 05:34.02 | acronos | Stuckman suggested I look at www.backports.org but while I don't need ungodly stability I do need adaquate stability. I was wondering if backports version 7.4 is likely to be adaquately stable. |
| 05:34.02 | Kiowas | hello |
| 05:34.23 | raden | phaedra, i do it doesnt change it in network neighborhood just in properties under comment |
| 05:34.29 | raden | thats why im soo confussed |
| 05:34.32 | phaedra | raden, You can use several variables too like %v for the version number and so on... |
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| 05:34.41 | no0ke | is "Real VNC" the same as "Remote Desktop" ? |
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| 05:34.48 | raden | is there another file samba reads from ? |
| 05:35.14 | Kiowas | I have a working install of Debian for amd64 on one hard drive and I would like to install Debian for x86 on another hard drive (which is currently empty). Can anyone tell me how I can go about doing this? All installation instructions I can find are based on downloading a cd |
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| 05:35.30 | streuner | acronos: packages made by DD's usually (backports) |
| 05:35.35 | simonrvn | debootstrap |
| 05:35.43 | simonrvn | Kiowas: ^^ |
| 05:36.05 | streuner | acronos: but keep in mind, no support for these packages. |
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| 05:36.40 | sortadi | acronos: why don't you just use testing then? |
| 05:36.42 | acronos | streuner, I'm fairly new. I didn't understand what you mean by DD's usually (backports) |
| 05:37.01 | streuner | acronos: Debian Developers = DD |
| 05:37.01 | sortadi | acronos: and in the process you can also be helpful to DDs by telling them about bugs and such :D |
| 05:37.11 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 05:37.11 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 05:37.23 | sanmarcos | simonrvn the simon is back |
| 05:37.41 | no0ke | is "Real VNC" the same as "Remote Desktop" ? |
| 05:37.47 | sanmarcos | no0ke: every vnc is the same |
| 05:37.47 | killown | anyone know a program that works in machines plotter? |
| 05:37.52 | Vasistha | no0ke: real vnc is one example of a remote desktop |
| 05:37.52 | Kiowas | simonrvn: thanks. with that information I was able to find some install instructions. Now the second part of the question, does it matter that I am wanting to install for a different architecture than the one that is running? (Im wanting to install a 32 bit vanilla x86 version but am currently running amd64) |
| 05:37.53 | sanmarcos | no0ke: to remote desktop, the same concept i mean |
| 05:37.53 | sortadi | acronos: in testing you have bleeding-edge packages |
| 05:37.57 | dli | how to disable pasting by touchpad? I don't know how it's defined, but pasting in firefox means opening the text as a URL |
| 05:37.59 | phaedra | raden, I'll assume you restart samba after editing the .conf but do you unmount and then remount in Win? |
| 05:38.00 | sanmarcos | no0ke: apt-cache search vnc, google |
| 05:38.12 | acronos | The testing version of postgres is 7.3. I need 7.4. |
| 05:38.13 | dondelelcaro | dli: depends on the type of touchpad you have |
| 05:38.14 | streuner | sortadi: production server |
| 05:38.18 | JoshTriplett | dli: You want to disable tapping? |
| 05:38.23 | dli | dondelelcaro, synaptics |
| 05:38.23 | simonrvn | Kiowas: yes and no. |
| 05:38.31 | acronos | I think |
| 05:38.32 | raden | phaedra, correct lemee reboot win once |
| 05:38.35 | no0ke | no, im talkin about "Remote Desktop" on Applications -> Desktop Preferences menu |
| 05:38.37 | dondelelcaro | dli: then you want to change how the touchpad does shicks |
| 05:38.39 | dli | JoshTriplett, I like tapping, but don't want tapping to paste |
| 05:38.43 | JoshTriplett | dli: Ah. |
| 05:38.53 | Kiowas | simonrvn how so? |
| 05:38.58 | raden | phaedra, maybe its a windows issue |
| 05:39.05 | JoshTriplett | dli: Well, you can turn off non-left-button tapping. |
| 05:39.09 | phaedra | raden, No not reboot just unmount the net drive and remount it... |
| 05:39.15 | no0ke | ?????????????????????????????????????? |
| 05:39.16 | no0ke | oopps |
| 05:39.19 | dli | JoshTriplett, how ? |
| 05:39.19 | JoshTriplett | dli: Pasting occurs with middle button, which two-finger taps can do. |
| 05:39.21 | acronos | I origionally was trying to use fedora which is really bleeding edge. However, there server support seemed cripled to me. |
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| 05:39.22 | dondelelcaro | dli: man 5 synaptics; for details |
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| 05:39.28 | tuv | how can i forward local mail from one machine to another? |
| 05:39.28 | Spaniard87 | hello |
| 05:39.31 | Vasistha | dli: I ran into that once. the solution may involve changing references to "PS/2" to read "ImPS/2" |
| 05:39.36 | JoshTriplett | dli: You can set the options for the synaptics driver; see the manpage dondelelcaro pointed you to. |
| 05:39.39 | phaedra | raden, Win has a tendancy to 'remember' the connections... |
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| 05:39.49 | raden | phaedra, noticed |
| 05:39.50 | JoshTriplett | dli: Look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:39.53 | no0ke | sanmarcos: anyway, is it the same? |
| 05:39.53 | Spaniard87 | has anyone received an error when they've updated the glibc6 or something package when they try to restart GDM? |
| 05:40.03 | Spaniard87 | saying that modules are missing |
| 05:40.11 | Spaniard87 | from x116 folder |
| 05:40.13 | dli | Vasistha, I have now, "IMPS/2" |
| 05:40.14 | simonrvn | Kiowas: i can't say much for 64 bit / 32 bit, but within the same general arch you can actually run the whole thing from download to install. on ppc64 i'm fairly sure you can run 32 in 64 bit, dunno about x86 |
| 05:40.15 | raden | i need another flat panel |
| 05:40.46 | Kiowas | simonrvn alright, thanks. Don't lose much by trying I guess. and Im at work and bored, so its not like I dont have a lot of time. |
| 05:40.51 | tuv | how can i forward local mail from one machine to another? both on the same LAN |
| 05:40.54 | phaedra | raden, Target has 17" for 289.00 |
| 05:41.09 | dondelelcaro | dli: syndaemon and synclient can probably help you though... it's fairly easy to disable the touchpad when you're typing into the keybaord |
| 05:41.11 | phaedra | Maybe less... |
| 05:41.11 | raden | i get my lg 19" for $299 :) |
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| 05:41.12 | dondelelcaro | s/ao/oa/ |
| 05:41.18 | Vasistha | dli: there's a very small chance it might be case sensitive -- I have no idea, and I doubt it. Also synaptics touchpads can be sensitive to a kernel parameter, although again that is -probably- already set properly. Thse other guys should be able to help you figure it out |
| 05:41.20 | raden | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.27 | simonrvn | Kiowas: :). curious, are you of that nation too ('kiowa')? |
| 05:41.30 | raden | i have 3 just too many KVM's in bedroom |
| 05:41.44 | Kiowas | simonrvn no, but thats where the nick is from |
| 05:41.55 | blaxtic | anyone here familure with FreeNX? |
| 05:42.13 | simonrvn | ok |
| 05:42.25 | raden | phaedra, how can i unmount all of network neighborhood ? |
| 05:42.33 | davidh | anyone can help my tftp server setup in my debian machine? |
| 05:42.40 | JoshTriplett | dli: Try this: select some text, and tap in the upper corner of the touchpad; does it paste? |
| 05:42.44 | raden | whats is tftp ? |
| 05:42.47 | Vasistha | blaxtic: if you've got a question feel free to just ask |
| 05:42.50 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Sure. |
| 05:42.54 | davidh | dli:can you help? |
| 05:42.58 | acronos | Which is the better choice, use testing version of debian or use backports version of postgresql? |
| 05:43.01 | davidh | JoshTriplett: hello |
| 05:43.07 | valdyn | acronos: backports |
| 05:43.10 | dondelelcaro | acronos: backport postgresql if you have to ask |
| 05:43.11 | JoshTriplett | raden: trivial ftp; mostly used for booting machines over a network. |
| 05:43.28 | JoshTriplett | davidh: I have it set up on my laptop right now, for booting an embedded system. |
| 05:43.34 | raden | gotcha |
| 05:43.35 | phaedra | raden, dunno... Just pull up the file manager and right click the drive icon... I only mount one drive under win any way... Hardly use it anymore. |
| 05:43.43 | sortadi | acronos: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=postgresql&submit=Submit+Query&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 05:43.59 | dli | JoshTriplett, no, looks not the corners, but the middle right edge |
| 05:44.02 | sortadi | acronos: some backports where you can apt postgresql |
| 05:44.04 | JoshTriplett | dli: OK. |
| 05:44.05 | davidh | JoshTriplett: This is what I am going to do for my SBC board from deaktop |
| 05:44.14 | JoshTriplett | dli: You definitely want to look at man synaptics. |
| 05:44.29 | JoshTriplett | dli: Look for an option related to generating events for different buttons. |
| 05:44.44 | JoshTriplett | davidh: First, install the "tftpd" package. |
| 05:44.45 | acronos | sortadi, is this the same as backports.org? |
| 05:44.50 | dli | JoshTriplett, yes, doing now |
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| 05:45.03 | davidh | JoshTriplett: I installed my atftpd package by aptitude. Everything seems going fine. But I do not still the process running |
| 05:45.18 | blaxtic | does anyone have any idea how to install freenx on an alphaserver running debian? |
| 05:45.20 | sortadi | acronos: ap-get.org features unofficial sarge repositories |
| 05:45.35 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Haven't used atftpd, but if it doesn't have a process running it may run from inetd like tftpd. |
| 05:45.40 | davidh | JoshTriplett: So I use `ps aux | grep atftpd`? |
| 05:45.40 | valdyn | acronos: apt-get.org has all kinds of repositories, that isn't the same quality as backports.org necessarily |
| 05:45.49 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Look in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 05:45.50 | dli | JoshTriplett, middle button is button 2 or 3? |
| 05:45.51 | raden | phaedra, nothign changing hmmm time to pull a book and read |
| 05:46.01 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Do you see a line for atftpd? |
| 05:46.10 | JoshTriplett | dli: 2 |
| 05:46.24 | raden | phaedra, thanks for the assistance |
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| 05:46.30 | phaedra | raden, Chances are that the next time you boot win it'll have the correct line in there... |
| 05:46.33 | dli | JoshTriplett, good, option "TapButton2" "0" |
| 05:46.38 | phaedra | raden, np... |
| 05:46.44 | raden | phaedra, already did bro |
| 05:46.48 | blaxtic | is there a better channel to ask questions relating to the alphaserver (running debian)? |
| 05:46.53 | davidh | JoshTriplett: What do expect to see in /etc/inetd.conf? |
| 05:46.57 | sortadi | acronos: which is the postgresql version you want again? |
| 05:47.09 | acronos | 7.4 |
| 05:47.12 | JoshTriplett | davidh: A line starting with "tftp", or having "atftpd" in it. |
| 05:47.16 | valdyn | blaxtic: depends if your problem is really architecture specific |
| 05:47.24 | valdyn | !alpha |
| 05:47.24 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha |
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| 05:48.09 | davidh | JoshTriplett: tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --tftpd-timeout 300 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 /tftpboot |
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| 05:48.29 | blaxtic | lol - alpha isn't dead btw.... not just yet... heh... |
| 05:48.32 | JoshTriplett | davidh: There you go, though that looks more like tftpd than atftpd. |
| 05:49.00 | JoshTriplett | davidh: I suggest changing that line to point to /srv/tftp rather than /tftpboot, by the way; avoids cluttering up / |
| 05:50.00 | jetscreamer | so wtf did they do to alsa |
| 05:50.06 | jetscreamer | how to fix |
| 05:50.11 | JoshTriplett | jetscreamer: Grab the previous version. |
| 05:50.22 | jetscreamer | JoshTriplett: of... ? |
| 05:50.24 | JoshTriplett | jetscreamer: Downgrade to libasound2 1.0.11-4 |
| 05:50.28 | jetscreamer | ah thx |
| 05:51.17 | tuv | is it possible to configure exim to deliver local mail to another machine in the LAN? |
| 05:51.30 | valdyn | tuv: sure |
| 05:51.40 | iter | what kind of question is that |
| 05:51.51 | iter | when you mean "could you tell me how to configure etc etc" |
| 05:51.51 | tuv | valdyn, where can i read about how to set this up? |
| 05:51.53 | valdyn | tuv: but if you just want to forward all mail to another machine maybe you also want a much simpler mta |
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| 05:52.02 | JoshTriplett | davidh: So, once you have that working, try putting a kernel in that directory, and pointing your board to that kernel. |
| 05:52.31 | davidh | JoshTriplett: bingo! |
| 05:52.32 | tuv | valdyn, i already have exim configured for local delivery only.. it was installed by default |
| 05:52.35 | iter | argh don't listen to me I'm just bitter over my stupid ident troubles atm |
| 05:52.51 | valdyn | tuv: apt-get install nullmailer, enter the remote box when asked, done |
| 05:53.05 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Cool. |
| 05:53.10 | valdyn | tuv: i dont know exim configuration off the top of my head ;) |
| 05:53.15 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Any other problems with that setup? |
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| 05:53.27 | davidh | JoshTriplett: I think that target do not specify the path for the image? |
| 05:53.32 | dererk | Hi all! |
| 05:53.44 | davidh | JoshTriplett: It is right? |
| 05:54.03 | tuv | valdyn, will nullmailer remove /var/mail/<user> or deliver a copy of every message there? |
| 05:54.08 | dererk | Does anyone know how to make fans start using acpi? |
| 05:54.14 | valdyn | tuv: no idea |
| 05:54.15 | davidh | JoshTriplett: Path is specified in server side |
| 05:54.20 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Either works. |
| 05:54.42 | JoshTriplett | davidh: You can have the client request a relative path or an absolute path, though either way it must end up under the tftp path. |
| 05:54.42 | valdyn | tuv: are you using exim really or is it exim4? |
| 05:54.44 | tuv | valdyn, if it's an mta then it shouldn't use /var/mail/* at all |
| 05:54.55 | tuv | valdyn, exim4.. the default one |
| 05:55.00 | JoshTriplett | davidh: For example, on my setup, a client can ask for "linux.lv2" or "/srv/tftp/linux.lv2". |
| 05:55.09 | valdyn | tuv: why 'shouldnt it' ? |
| 05:55.28 | davidh | JoshTriplett: What /srv ? |
| 05:55.29 | tuv | valdyn, because it's a relay-only |
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| 05:55.53 | JoshTriplett | davidh: I replaced /tftpboot with /srv/tftp to avoid cluttering up /; /srv provides the root directories for various services. |
| 05:56.05 | JoshTriplett | davidh: /srv/nfs, /srv/tftp, /srv/www, etc. |
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| 05:56.18 | JoshTriplett | davidh: /srv got added in a recent revision of the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. |
| 05:56.25 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Newer Debian systems will have it. |
| 05:56.26 | tuv | valdyn, but don't i need to modify the "local delivery only" conf. of the relay destination? |
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| 05:56.35 | JoshTriplett | davidh: You can also just use /tftpboot if you prefer. |
| 05:56.44 | valdyn | tuv: for what? exim? |
| 05:56.59 | JoshTriplett | davidh: In any case, relative or absolute path to the image should both work. |
| 05:57.15 | JoshTriplett | davidh: So go with relative to avoid telling the client too much about the server. |
| 05:57.23 | JoshTriplett | davidh: (And potentially breaking when you move things around.) |
| 05:57.30 | tuv | valdyn, for any of them.. right now if i try "mail user@machine2" from machine1, nothing arrives at machine2 |
| 05:57.33 | davidh | JoshTriplett: I think that it is ok for it. Are you familiar with my booting error, like `pciehp can't be loaded`? |
| 05:57.43 | jetscreamer | !JoshTriplett++ |
| 05:57.45 | davidh | This is a different issue |
| 05:57.50 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Another tip: you can make the image a symlink to the real image, and change it for different images rather than reconfiguring the device. |
| 05:57.56 | JoshTriplett | jetscreamer: Thanks. :) |
| 05:58.05 | valdyn | tuv: nullmailer will just forward any incoming mail to a server of your choice, nothing else to configure |
| 05:58.16 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Sounds like missing modules that the device needs. |
| 05:58.27 | JoshTriplett | davidh: What kernel image did you use? |
| 05:58.32 | JoshTriplett | davidh: A Debian stock kernel? |
| 05:58.35 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Or a custom kernel? |
| 05:58.55 | JoshTriplett | jetscreamer: I take it downgrading worked? |
| 05:58.58 | davidh | JoshTriplett: Linux version 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 05:59.02 | tuv | valdyn, well.. i don't thing i have that "server" yet.. how do i make exim4 accept mail from outside the machine? it's now configured for local delivery only |
| 05:59.05 | JoshTriplett | davidh: That kernel needs an initrd. |
| 05:59.14 | tuv | valdyn, *think |
| 05:59.15 | davidh | JoshTriplett: Yes, install using netinst CD |
| 05:59.27 | valdyn | tuv: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 05:59.29 | JoshTriplett | davidh: I meant what kernel image do you want the board to boot? |
| 05:59.31 | JoshTriplett | davidh: The same? |
| 05:59.40 | tuv | valdyn, and? what should i choose then? |
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| 06:00.08 | davidh | JoshTriplett: No. The problem I have is with my host |
| 06:00.12 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Ah. |
| 06:00.15 | davidh | not the target |
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| 06:00.24 | davidh | it is different issue |
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| 06:00.38 | JoshTriplett | davidh: So does it prevent your box from booting or just cause an error message? |
| 06:00.41 | davidh | I can see the error in syslog also |
| 06:01.06 | davidh | JoshTriplett: Everything seems fine. But a little irritating |
| 06:01.17 | tuv | valdyn, should i choose "mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail"? or some other option? |
| 06:01.18 | davidh | JoshTriplett: I like debian so far except that |
| 06:01.22 | valdyn | tuv: whatever fits you, not 'local delivery only' anyway if you want to use the mail command to send to remote |
| 06:01.32 | JoshTriplett | davidh: That module, IIRC, relates to PCI hotplugging; if your system doesn't do that, then you don't need that module. |
| 06:01.37 | dli | JoshTriplett, looks like disabling TapButton[23] works now |
| 06:01.41 | JoshTriplett | davidh: That makes the error message annoying but not fatal. |
| 06:01.43 | JoshTriplett | dli: Cool. |
| 06:02.06 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Do you see it for any other modules than that one? |
| 06:02.20 | tuv | valdyn, what does "mail sent by smarthost" mean? and what is a smarthost anyway? |
| 06:02.24 | dli | JoshTriplett, I have to disable bottomEdge too, another even boring bug |
| 06:02.27 | davidh | JoshTriplett: Yes. USBCORE |
| 06:02.32 | JoshTriplett | tuv: A box that can actually send mail. |
| 06:02.42 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Hmmm, that seems a bit more important. :) |
| 06:02.44 | valdyn | tuv: that is another smtp server that will forward mail to the real destination for you |
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| 06:03.04 | dli | davidh, are you setting up PXE booting? |
| 06:03.18 | JoshTriplett | davidh: I would tend to suspect an initrd issue. Can you check your bootloader configuration to see if it includes the initrd for that kernel? |
| 06:03.24 | davidh | dli: what is PXE? |
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| 06:03.35 | jetscreamer | davidh: net boot |
| 06:03.37 | JoshTriplett | davidh: One standard for network booting. |
| 06:03.46 | jetscreamer | well i was close |
| 06:03.47 | dli | davidh, if you don't know, you don't need it |
| 06:03.51 | davidh | JoshTriplett: can you open flood channel? |
| 06:03.52 | valdyn | tuv: i dont know enough about your setup. If you are a home user with a dynamic IP, and an ISP that delivers mail for you, then exim4 probably shouldnt be your MTA |
| 06:03.55 | JoshTriplett | jetscreamer: You had it right on. |
| 06:04.02 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Done. |
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| 06:04.05 | jetscreamer | i missed the one part |
| 06:04.05 | davidh | I boot it up from harddisk |
| 06:04.22 | dli | davidh, why do you need tftpd then? |
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| 06:04.33 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: ... and you actually want your ISP delivering your mail ... :) |
| 06:04.37 | davidh | dli: For embedded application (target) |
| 06:04.40 | JoshTriplett | dli: Sounds like two separate problems. :) |
| 06:04.47 | davidh | JoshTriplett: What file do you want to see? |
| 06:05.01 | jetscreamer | the X file... :) |
| 06:05.02 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: he probably should want that if he wants reliable mail delivery |
| 06:05.05 | jetscreamer | the movie |
| 06:05.10 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: Probably, yes. :) |
| 06:05.12 | davidh | JoshTriplett: Yes, I say two different issue |
| 06:05.26 | davidh | JoshTriplett: What file do you want to see? |
| 06:05.43 | valdyn | tuv: mail is quite complicated because of various 'precautions' mail relays are taking to avoid being abused to spam |
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| 06:05.49 | JoshTriplett | davidh: The output of: fgrep 2.4.27 /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 06:05.51 | tuv | valdyn, i get my mail from pop3 using getmail and use an imap server on my home network. now i want all local mail for all machines to be delivered to one machine |
| 06:06.12 | dli | JoshTriplett, yes, that one is much worse, bottom touching be recognized as Back/Forward actions in firefox, and firefox goes back/forward by an almost random number of pages |
| 06:06.15 | valdyn | tuv: just apt-get install nullmailer |
| 06:06.21 | JoshTriplett | dli: Yay. :) |
| 06:06.23 | valdyn | tuv: you can fix /var/spool/mail by hand |
| 06:07.01 | dli | JoshTriplett, and firefox people refuse to think it as a bug :( it clearly is, nobody wants random number of pages back/forward |
| 06:07.07 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Looks like it has the initrd correct. |
| 06:07.20 | JoshTriplett | dli: I suspect it goes one page forward or back for each event it gets. |
| 06:07.27 | davidh | JoshTriplett: So you want to see my syslog |
| 06:07.29 | JoshTriplett | dli: And it gets a bunch of events. |
| 06:07.36 | JoshTriplett | davidh: The lines around that error, yeah. |
| 06:07.46 | dli | JoshTriplett, for users, no difference |
| 06:08.00 | valdyn | tuv: on your 'main' smtp server you can choose 'Internet-Server' |
| 06:08.09 | valdyn | tuv: in exim4.. |
| 06:08.12 | JoshTriplett | dli: Yes, but it affects your statement: it doesn't constitute a *firefox* bug. :) |
| 06:08.20 | JoshTriplett | dli: More likely a synaptics bug. |
| 06:09.16 | dli | JoshTriplett, they can easily provide an entry in Preferences |
| 06:09.23 | tuv | valdyn, that is all i need to know.. what is the difference between these two options: internet-server and mail by smarthost? |
| 06:09.33 | JoshTriplett | dli: I think with the appropriate synaptics stuff installed they do. |
| 06:09.53 | valdyn | tuv: internet-server will send directly to destination, smarthost will use a specified smtp server to do the delivery |
| 06:09.59 | mkdirroot | anyone know any good utilities for switching GTK themes? |
| 06:10.00 | dli | JoshTriplett, howto? |
| 06:10.07 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Everything you've pasted so far looks perfectly normal. |
| 06:10.16 | JoshTriplett | davidh: No issue. |
| 06:10.21 | atrus | firefox by default uses horizontal scrollwheel events for back/forward. this can be changed to do proper horizontal scroll if required. |
| 06:10.36 | cahoot | mkdirroot: gtk-theme-switch(er)? |
| 06:10.40 | davidh | JoshTriplett: Nut when I boot it up, these fail message shows (irritating) |
| 06:10.53 | tuv | valdyn, right.. got it.. thanks alot man |
| 06:11.10 | mkdirroot | gtk-theme-switch, woot |
| 06:11.34 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Which fail message? |
| 06:11.37 | valdyn | tuv: np, i bet you will see more issues, mail is tricky |
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| 06:12.15 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Yes, a module got loaded and that module tells you it can't run due to your system lacking support for it. |
| 06:12.31 | jetscreamer | dpkg current alsa fix is <reply> ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/libasound2_1.0.11-4_i386.deb |
| 06:12.31 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 06:12.41 | diazepam | just a quickie - whats the command when using apt-get to also install recommended packages |
| 06:12.42 | tuv | valdyn, so "mail sent by smarthost, received via smtp or fetchmail" option should work for me as well, shouldn't it? |
| 06:12.48 | jetscreamer | dpkg current alsa fix is also {for 386 arch} |
| 06:12.49 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 06:12.58 | tuv | valdyn, i'm asking again already ;) |
| 06:13.17 | jetscreamer | diazepam: it's |
| 06:13.24 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 06:13.24 | dpkg | methinks fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 06:13.27 | valdyn | tuv: yea, except that you have to find a smarthost that supports your needs |
| 06:13.47 | davidh | JoshTriplett: Is there any way I can have log of booting and show it to you? |
| 06:13.50 | valdyn | tuv: which is easy for single user systems |
| 06:13.56 | tuv | valdyn, hmm.. all mail will go through the smarthost.. i thought of it more like a gateway that is used only when needed |
| 06:13.56 | JoshTriplett | dpkg current alsa fix is <reply> wget ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/libasound2_1.0.11-4_$(dpkg --print-architecture).deb |
| 06:13.57 | dpkg | ...but current alsa fix is already something else... |
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| 06:14.03 | jetscreamer | !tell davidh -about paste |
| 06:14.09 | JoshTriplett | dpkg no, current alsa fix is <reply> wget ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/libasound2_1.0.11-4_$(dpkg --print-architecture).deb |
| 06:14.09 | dpkg | okay, JoshTriplett |
| 06:14.19 | jetscreamer | gah |
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| 06:14.40 | acronos | Is there any way to get apt-get to just tell me what is going to happen and what versions are going to be installed without actually doing any install or changing anything? |
| 06:14.42 | jetscreamer | cool though |
| 06:14.49 | cheal | diazepam: there's no way to get apt-get to install recommendations automatically yet. note apt-get is a command itself |
| 06:14.49 | jetscreamer | acronos: yes |
| 06:14.52 | JoshTriplett | acronos: apt-get --dry-run foo |
| 06:15.00 | jetscreamer | see? |
| 06:15.25 | davidh | JoshTriplett: It is probably not serious. But debian should not let those message showing up. It just looks bad |
| 06:15.27 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 06:15.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 06:15.30 | diazepam | cheal yeah i kinda just cut and paste recommended package list to the base package that Im trying ot install |
| 06:15.45 | JoshTriplett | davidh: By default, the Linux kernel and the Debian boot process provides lots of information. |
| 06:15.45 | valdyn | tuv: you will be asked for which domains your server is responsible itself |
| 06:15.54 | JoshTriplett | davidh: For use when troubleshooting or otherwise. |
| 06:15.55 | cheal | diazepam: yeah |
| 06:15.56 | jetscreamer | aptitude: bah |
| 06:16.08 | valdyn | tuv: so that smarthost is only used if mail is _not_ directed to one of those |
| 06:16.10 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Also, by default Debian installs a kernel with tons of modules for things you don't necessarily have. |
| 06:16.27 | davidh | JoshTriplett: But When I install REhat ES 3.0, I never get any error messages |
| 06:16.32 | davidh | on the same machine |
| 06:16.40 | davidh | REDHAT |
| 06:16.41 | jetscreamer | linux-images are for ev..re.boh.dee... not just for a few... |
| 06:16.44 | tuv | valdyn, that should work.. if i use my isp's smtp as my smarthost.. right? |
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| 06:16.50 | acronos | Thanks Joshtriplett, I just added that to my list of important commands. :) |
| 06:16.56 | valdyn | tuv: yes, for one single user |
| 06:17.09 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Then either redhat doesn't install or load the modules that cause an error, or redhat hides messages from you. |
| 06:17.10 | davidh | JoshTriplett: Is this plug-n-play, autodetection? |
| 06:17.13 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Yes. |
| 06:17.20 | tuv | valdyn, what is the problem for multiple users? |
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| 06:17.23 | valdyn | tuv: doubt your isp will just relay any mail it gets |
| 06:17.29 | sanmarcos | can you encrypt a whole folder with gnupg? |
| 06:17.46 | davidh | JoshTriplett: So why load modules that my machine does not need? |
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| 06:17.56 | valdyn | tuv: it will only relay mail for the user that is authenticated, or just check who is sending ( without authentication ), or both |
| 06:18.17 | tuv | valdyn, i'll still get my mail via pop3, but i should be able to send |
| 06:18.17 | JoshTriplett | davidh: In some cases, the best way to autodetect support for something is to load the module and let the module do the autodetection. |
| 06:18.20 | EdLin | !folder |
| 06:18.21 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 06:18.22 | davidh | JoshTriplett: The booting screen just look terribly bad |
| 06:18.33 | valdyn | tuv: yes |
| 06:18.46 | JoshTriplett | davidh: There are ways to make the boot process less chatty. |
| 06:18.57 | JoshTriplett | davidh: If you would prefer a quieter boot process, you can either install a bootsplash to hide it from you, or you can turn down the kernel messages. |
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| 06:19.07 | tuv | valdyn, it's worth the try.. can i specify that my smarthost requires smtp over ssl? |
| 06:19.11 | valdyn | tuv: look, if your ISP would send any mail it gets asked to relay to any destination, then it would be an open spam host, they dont do this |
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| 06:19.19 | davidh | JoshTriplett: So what you say is not I don't need to be bothered with thoese errors? |
| 06:19.34 | valdyn | tuv: yes, that is in the README |
| 06:19.36 | tuv | valdyn, it doesn't .. it requires ssl |
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| 06:19.48 | tuv | valdyn, of exim4-config? |
| 06:20.06 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Correct. You also have the option of building a custom kernel for yourself, which doesn't include modules you don't need. |
| 06:20.10 | jetscreamer | davidh: it doesn't load modules you don't need, it just tries |
| 06:20.17 | JoshTriplett | jetscreamer: In some cases it does. |
| 06:20.27 | jetscreamer | oh yeah |
| 06:20.33 | valdyn | tuv: /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz |
| 06:20.40 | davidh | JoshTriplett: How about this error in syslog, May 12 01:57:10 localhost kernel: cdrom: open failed. |
| 06:20.52 | tuv | valdyn, great.. this is a wonderful help.. many thanks |
| 06:21.07 | JoshTriplett | davidh: That can happen for various reasons; usually it means something tried to open /dev/cdrom with no CD in the drive. |
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| 06:22.14 | davidh | JoshTriplett: wait a minute. When we build the kernel, we run make menuconfig to specify the system configuration. Why it does not help? |
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| 06:22.36 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Sorry, I don't know what you mean. |
| 06:23.00 | davidh | JoshTriplett: It is because, kernel we get from network is already pre-compiled? |
| 06:23.03 | JoshTriplett | davidh: make menuconfig lets you configure the kernel. You can configure the kernel to omit things like PCI hotplug support, and you'll stop seeing some of those messages. |
| 06:23.07 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Yes, exactly. |
| 06:23.16 | valdyn | davidh: compiling kernels is not meant for endusers |
| 06:23.20 | JoshTriplett | davidh: And it needs to work on any random machine a Debian user throws it at. |
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| 06:23.28 | JoshTriplett | davidh: With any random hardware. |
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| 06:23.36 | JoshTriplett | davidh: So it includes everything and the kitchen sink. |
| 06:24.09 | davidh | JoshTriplett: I think that I get point |
| 06:24.23 | davidh | I get the point (typo) |
| 06:24.39 | davidh | JoshTriplett: More quesion |
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| 06:24.49 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Anyway, you have a tradeoff here: if the kernel told you less, you might find the boot process more attractive, but you might also miss something important. :) |
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| 06:25.28 | davidh | JoshTriplett: If I want to recompile the kernel myself, where do I find the source in the tree? |
| 06:25.39 | davidh | Norammly in /usr/local/src/linux |
| 06:26.00 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Debian will never install anything into /usr/local; that tree is reserved for you alone to play in. |
| 06:26.08 | davidh | But not find it in debian distro by netinstall |
| 06:26.30 | bono | Question: i downloaded a dvd torrent... i have a pile of vob,bup,ifo,... files. what client can i use to have the interactove dvd stuff? |
| 06:26.41 | JoshTriplett | davidh: You want to install the kernel-source-2.N.NN or linux-source-2.N.NN package. |
| 06:26.42 | davidh | So the quesion is where is the source for debian after install? |
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| 06:26.57 | valdyn | bono: you want to create a dvd image of this first |
| 06:27.00 | JoshTriplett | davidh: (Older kernels use kernel-source-, newer ones use linux-source-) |
| 06:27.07 | valdyn | bono: xine, totem support dvd menus |
| 06:27.18 | bono | valdyn: but not withough the image? |
| 06:27.23 | dacu | davith: u have to install it |
| 06:27.28 | inetd | how do you have your fonts configured in X ? |
| 06:27.32 | valdyn | bono: right |
| 06:27.37 | davidh | JoshTriplett: where the web site to download the source? and how do I know the source is corrwspond to the binary I am install? |
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| 06:28.19 | bono | valdyn: hmmm... i dont have the necessary 4 gigs to make the image... could i use loopback mounting or something like that? |
| 06:28.25 | valdyn | bono: totem requires a real dvd, so that you burn it too, xine has a fancy switch to use dvd images |
| 06:28.26 | jmacz | hi everyone |
| 06:28.41 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Type "apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27" |
| 06:28.45 | valdyn | bono: no, loopback mounting is something totally different |
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| 06:28.55 | jmacz | I'm trying to run uml under Etch with 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 06:29.09 | bono | valdyn: ok... great stuff... but is there a way to avoid using an extra 4 gb? |
| 06:29.19 | valdyn | bono: nope |
| 06:29.28 | davidh | JoshTriplett: I'll use aptitude (GUI) to get. But after that, where the source tree go? |
| 06:29.30 | valdyn | bono: oh, actually |
| 06:29.41 | valdyn | bono: you can burn the image directly like |
| 06:29.50 | bono | valdyn: i dont have a dvd burner... |
| 06:29.57 | valdyn | bono: then forget it |
| 06:30.06 | jmacz | I installed uml from debs, obtained a sarge image with debootstrap and created a resierfs fs but it's not working |
| 06:30.19 | valdyn | bono: you can still just view the vob files though |
| 06:30.26 | JoshTriplett | davidh: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27.tar.bz2 , I think. |
| 06:30.38 | bono | valdyn: ok... say i dont want the fancy menus... what are the files i should open with mplayer/totem/xine? VOBs? |
| 06:30.47 | JoshTriplett | bono: Yes. |
| 06:30.48 | valdyn | bono: yes |
| 06:30.49 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Extract that in your home directory, and start configuring. |
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| 06:30.54 | jmacz | i get stucked in the "VFS: Mounted root (reiserfs filesystem) readonly" message |
| 06:31.00 | JoshTriplett | davidh: (You might also consider using a 2.6 kernel instead.) |
| 06:31.47 | jmacz | I've google around to find out what's wrong without luck and asked at #uml at OTFC without answer |
| 06:32.33 | davidh | JoshTriplett: Yes. I like 2.6 kernel. But I heard that it is not very stable. There are some compatibility issue with Xwindows, tools chains |
| 06:32.57 | jmacz | here is an output of what I got: http://pastebin.com/742395 |
| 06:33.02 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Yes, that held true around 2.6.0; 2.6.16 is quite stable. :) |
| 06:33.03 | jmacz | any ideas? |
| 06:33.04 | davidh | JoshTriplett: what is exactly the name of the package for 2.4 source? I could not find it? |
| 06:33.21 | JoshTriplett | davidh: kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 06:33.30 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Or just look for packages starting with "kernel-source" or "linux-source". |
| 06:33.48 | JoshTriplett | davidh: .0 versions of anything often have issues, and newer releases fix those issues. |
| 06:34.26 | sid | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
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| 06:34.53 | sid | What package do I need...I got libx11-dev and x-dev |
| 06:34.53 | davidh | JoshTriplett: Still not find the package in aptitude by search |
| 06:35.05 | JoshTriplett | sid: apt-get install xorg-dev to get all of the X development packages at once. |
| 06:35.22 | JoshTriplett | sid: configure often looks for libxt-dev for hysterical reasons, but it probably needs more than that. |
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| 06:35.34 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Nothing starting with either "kernel-source" or "linux-source". |
| 06:35.37 | JoshTriplett | davidh: ? |
| 06:36.01 | davidh | JoshTriplett: No |
| 06:36.04 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Do you have apt configured to search the Internet, or the contents of a non-netinst CD? |
| 06:36.14 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Could you paste sources.list to #flood? |
| 06:36.21 | bono | valdyn | JoshTriplett : sorry. mplayer made my x server crash :-) |
| 06:36.41 | JoshTriplett | bono: Huh. Please report that as a bug on the X server. |
| 06:36.54 | JoshTriplett | bono: Severity "important"; clients should never crash the server. |
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| 06:37.10 | davidh | JoshTriplett: what command to sources.list? |
| 06:37.11 | JoshTriplett | bono: Any interesting error message in the X log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) |
| 06:37.20 | JoshTriplett | davidh: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:37.20 | davidh | JoshTriplett: what path? |
| 06:37.33 | davidh | JoshTriplett: BTW, I am using netinstall |
| 06:37.40 | JoshTriplett | davidh: I understand. |
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| 06:38.10 | Krassy | hi |
| 06:38.32 | bono | JoshTriplett: hum... well the server didnt exacly crash... i have a dual card/dual screen setup and oen screen showed "sync out of range" |
| 06:38.42 | JoshTriplett | bono: Ah. |
| 06:40.06 | bono | valdyn | JoshTriplett : thanks a lot for the help. its very much appreciated. one last q... the dvd files are mounted through samba... (10 mbit lan). mplayer drops frames and its display flickers... while totem displays the feed perfectly. whould you happen to know why? |
| 06:40.18 | Krassy | I need to use ubuntu liveCD to repair grub on my debian istallation , how i can login as root in ubuntu ? |
| 06:40.29 | JoshTriplett | bono: I don't know. Did you perhaps run totem after mplayer? :) |
| 06:40.36 | JoshTriplett | bono: If so, caching? :) |
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| 06:40.39 | bono | JoshTriplett: i might have. why? |
| 06:40.44 | bono | hmmm |
| 06:40.50 | bono | JoshTriplett: samba does caching? |
| 06:40.58 | bono | lemme try another vob... |
| 06:40.59 | JoshTriplett | bono: smbfs might. |
| 06:41.32 | bono | JoshTriplett: nope... new file, same thing |
| 06:41.41 | JoshTriplett | bono: Strange. |
| 06:42.14 | JoshTriplett | bono: Perhaps totem buffers up more of the file first. |
| 06:42.52 | JoshTriplett | bono: Try mplayer -cache 1048576 foo.vob |
| 06:43.02 | bono | JoshTriplett: hmmm... wouldnt buffering affect the flickering stuff for so long? (till the buffer gets emptied) |
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| 06:43.35 | davidh | JoshTriplett: I find it now in search. Kernel-image-2.4.27.2-386 |
| 06:43.36 | JoshTriplett | bono: You might also try letting mplayer talk SMB directly. |
| 06:43.45 | JoshTriplett | davidh: That's the image, not the source. |
| 06:43.49 | bono | JoshTriplett: maybe this could help... totem flickrs for the first few seconds and then starts rolling... it does sound like a buffering issue... |
| 06:44.12 | bono | JoshTriplett: how would i let mplayer talk to smb direcly? |
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| 06:44.46 | JoshTriplett | bono: mplayer smb://SERVER/share/thing.vob |
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| 06:45.03 | JoshTriplett | davidh: You need a kernel-source package. |
| 06:45.15 | JoshTriplett | davidh: With that sources.list, you should have one available. |
| 06:45.20 | pvd2006 | just have a quickie here. Im running xubuntu and i notice my friends run debian, im guessing there is a reason they use debian over ubuntu. |
| 06:45.45 | JoshTriplett | davidh: Could you paste the output of: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 06:45.55 | davidh | Anyone else know how to obtain kernel source for debian 2.4.27? Please help ; using aptitude |
| 06:46.37 | epsilon | apt-get source? |
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| 06:46.56 | Alam_Debian | how do i mount an ISO using loopback, i think? |
| 06:46.58 | JoshTriplett | epsilon: apt-get install kernel-source-foo, actually. |
| 06:47.29 | JoshTriplett | Alam_Debian: mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mount/point/directory |
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| 06:49.49 | epsilon | hm, kinda off-topic: I want to present some large pictures on my website, for that I'm looking for public domain icons for "JPG" and "TIFF", is there any one? |
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| 06:50.29 | JoshTriplett | epsilon: I dunno about public domain, but you can find some Free Software icons for them in Debian. |
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| 06:50.50 | JoshTriplett | epsilon: Specifically, the ones GNOME or KDE use to designate them in file managers. |
| 06:50.57 | epsilon | hm, I probably need the entire GPL stuff on my site? |
| 06:51.45 | epsilon | I want to avoid any copyright/left info on the site... |
| 06:51.58 | bono | Question: is it possible to burn a dvd from remotely-located (samba) dvd files (vobs and stuff) ? |
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| 06:52.14 | epsilon | not recommended |
| 06:52.20 | bono | (i.e. is 10bit enough to sustain the dvd burning rate?) |
| 06:52.24 | bono | 10mbit |
| 06:52.26 | epsilon | "NO" |
| 06:52.30 | bono | thx :-) |
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| 06:53.08 | JoshTriplett | epsilon: Most of the icons serve as their own source, and many include their license status as image comments, so you wouldn't actually incur any obligations by using them. |
| 06:53.26 | Bitz | hi, is there a virtual machine like vmware for linux? |
| 06:53.58 | JoshTriplett | Bitz: Several. |
| 06:54.02 | JoshTriplett | Bitz: Try qemu. |
| 06:54.03 | epsilon | JoshTriplett: ok, I gonna take a look on them |
| 06:54.12 | Bitz | which is the best one? |
| 06:54.17 | Supaplex | !best |
| 06:54.17 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 06:54.28 | JoshTriplett | Bitz: I personally like qemu. |
| 06:54.30 | dli | Bitz, xen |
| 06:54.34 | shogunx | Bitz or for the real bomb-diggity, try xen |
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| 06:54.42 | Supaplex | I second JoshTriplett, but I haven't tried xen. |
| 06:54.44 | JoshTriplett | Bitz: You can also use xen if you want to run Linux; it won't help you run Windows without recent hardware. |
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| 06:54.55 | shogunx | who wants to run windows? |
| 06:55.04 | JoshTriplett | Supaplex: I've tried Xen, and I advocate it as well, but I suspected it wouldn't help Bitz. :) |
| 06:55.13 | Bitz | me |
| 06:55.14 | cahoot | shogunx: 95% |
| 06:55.20 | Bitz | for testing |
| 06:55.23 | JoshTriplett | Bitz: qemu can run Windows just fine. |
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| 06:55.29 | shogunx | cahoot thats a sad thing. |
| 06:55.30 | Supaplex | cool. |
| 06:55.32 | Bitz | cool |
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| 06:56.00 | Supaplex | speaking of qemu, does m-a handle the (albeit non free) kernel module? |
| 06:56.12 | shogunx | cahoot thats like saying "oooh, ooh! enslave me! please!" |
| 06:56.36 | cahoot | shogunx: hm - it's just an OS after all |
| 06:56.46 | epsilon | how's bochs? |
| 06:57.00 | shogunx | cahoot, its a pile of crap full of backdoors. |
| 06:57.03 | JoshTriplett | epsilon: Nice for debugging, horrifically slow if you actually want to *use* the thing. |
| 06:57.11 | epsilon | ok |
| 06:57.12 | JoshTriplett | Supaplex: Not to my knowledge. |
| 06:57.22 | JoshTriplett | Supaplex: Also note that a Free replacement exists. |
| 06:57.26 | JoshTriplett | Supaplex: qvm86 |
| 06:57.33 | JoshTriplett | Supaplex: Not yet packaged for Debian either though. |
| 06:57.55 | shogunx | epsilon bochs is currently your only option to run linux on a sony psp. |
| 06:57.57 | JoshTriplett | Supaplex: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/qvm86/ |
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| 06:58.32 | JoshTriplett | shogunx: Right, bochs has the advantage of running on strange hosts. :) |
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| 06:59.23 | shogunx | JohnTriplett mainly the only way because nobody has bothered to build a kernel for it yet. |
| 06:59.40 | shogunx | its a strnage little mips chip. |
| 07:00.16 | JoshTriplett | shogunx: That's redundant. :) |
| 07:00.21 | shogunx | heh |
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| 07:00.31 | JoshTriplett | shogunx: But yeah. |
| 07:00.41 | JoshTriplett | shogunx: bochs and qemu both have uses. |
| 07:00.48 | shogunx | a much different animal than your standard sgi numa jobby i meant. |
| 07:00.54 | shogunx | but yeah. |
| 07:00.56 | JoshTriplett | shogunx: Right. |
| 07:01.13 | Nopalin | i have a problem... i reinstalled gnome because i have some problemas, when i want start ot again, only apper a gray screen |
| 07:01.24 | JoshTriplett | shogunx: I also suspect gratuitous differences in low-level hardware to make alternative OSes hard. |
| 07:01.29 | tonsofpcs | bochs runs win98 quite nicely on a p4/3GHz, almost as if it were on a 80586/33! |
| 07:01.38 | JoshTriplett | tonsofpcs: Sounds about right. :) |
| 07:02.07 | JoshTriplett | tonsofpcs: Whereas qemu can often run near-realtime. |
| 07:02.20 | JoshTriplett | tonsofpcs: Particularly with qvm86 installed. |
| 07:02.32 | shogunx | JoshTripplett a friend and i gave building a kernel with the psp patched gcc, etc a try, but only a half hearted one. |
| 07:02.37 | tonsofpcs | if qemu could run near-realtime, we'd all use qemu as a virtual bootloader and share files without worrying about filesystems through cool translation tools |
| 07:03.05 | JoshTriplett | tonsofpcs: I doubt that seriously. But give Xen a try if you want that approach. |
| 07:03.10 | tmroland | does anyone know of a network irc who could use a new server? i wanna link |
| 07:03.15 | tmroland | pls |
| 07:03.28 | tonsofpcs | tmroland - every one. |
| 07:03.57 | shogunx | JohnTripplett to make it useful at all, we would have had to emulate a host side usb chip in order to hook up a keyboard. |
| 07:03.57 | tonsofpcs | JoshTriplett - actually I just want to try colinux on my p3/900 and see if i can get KDE or E17 running with some nice apps (<3 xeyes) |
| 07:03.58 | tmroland | tell me one network so i can try |
| 07:04.10 | tonsofpcs | tmroland - freenode |
| 07:04.11 | JoshTriplett | tmroland: OFTC. Freenode. |
| 07:04.34 | shogunx | tmroland efnet undernet |
| 07:04.38 | tmroland | no i dont have T3 .. i have very good hardware but i have cable connection 60kbytes/s. and i look for a smaller network altough not v small |
| 07:04.38 | tmroland | :) |
| 07:05.09 | tonsofpcs | at 60 KBps lol |
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| 07:05.27 | tonsofpcs | tmroland - I wouldn't even let you on my test network with 60 KBps, the overhead would DOS you |
| 07:05.37 | shogunx | tmroland, i just use my irc server for personal uses. |
| 07:06.05 | shogunx | like as a partyline alternative to talk. |
| 07:06.05 | tmroland | 60kbytes per second is really so less for a small irc network? |
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| 07:06.30 | tmroland | i ran a irc server when i was on dial up with 10kbps like 12 users |
| 07:06.40 | tonsofpcs | tmroland - I would also give you an English proficiency test that you would fail. |
| 07:06.52 | shogunx | heh |
| 07:06.58 | tmroland | lol |
| 07:07.04 | shogunx | !lol |
| 07:07.05 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:07.09 | tmroland | i am from near russia i dont know v good eangliesh |
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| 07:07.10 | tmroland | hehee |
| 07:07.24 | Meaw | hi i'd install pppoe-server in kernel 2.4.* , but pppoe clients from windows xp cannt login |
| 07:07.33 | tonsofpcs | I am from near New York and I comprehend English. |
| 07:07.51 | tonsofpcs | Now that we've past the pleasantries, do you actually have a question or are you just begging for linkability? |
| 07:08.02 | tmroland | begging for linkability.. |
| 07:08.12 | tmroland | so i dont get bored with linux |
| 07:08.14 | shogunx | tmroland, near russia? like mongolia, china, or eastern europe? |
| 07:08.16 | tuv | ok.. i setup exim4 to use a smarthost and hide local mailname. it asked for the visible mailname, but my username locally is different than the visible one. how do i make use another username? |
| 07:08.30 | tmroland | shogunx: east europe |
| 07:08.33 | tmroland | shogunx: romania |
| 07:08.37 | tonsofpcs | shogunx - Alaska is near the Russian Federation |
| 07:09.02 | tmroland | federation :) |
| 07:09.12 | shogunx | tonsofpcs, well, so is the unincorporated arctic. |
| 07:09.12 | tuv | so the damina part of the FROM address is correct, but the user (before @) is not.. how do i correct it? |
| 07:09.20 | tuv | *domain |
| 07:09.45 | tonsofpcs | shogunx - you mean the slab of ice that doesn't have good internet access? |
| 07:10.02 | tonsofpcs | tuv - send it from the right user |
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| 07:10.16 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.27 | shogunx | tonsofpcs, take out the slab of ice part and you are talking about 3 different continents. |
| 07:10.38 | shogunx | unfortunately. |
| 07:10.52 | tonsofpcs | shogunx - hmmmm, subsaharan Africa, which other two? |
| 07:10.57 | tuv | tonsofpcs, the right user does not exist!! can't i use some wort of alias or something? |
| 07:11.03 | Bitz | what is the default mail server install for sarge? |
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| 07:11.19 | shogunx | most of africa, most of south america, and large parts of india. |
| 07:11.21 | tonsofpcs | tuv - you could just use sendmail and tell it from somewhere else, I suppose |
| 07:11.34 | tonsofpcs | shogunx - India is not a continent. |
| 07:11.49 | shogunx | tonsofpcs, depends on how you view geological history. |
| 07:11.55 | tonsofpcs | and India has very good internet access. Half of the phone numbers I call get routed VOIP to India. |
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| 07:12.05 | tuv | tonsofpcs, right.. but i want the default behaviour to be correct so that autmatic tools, e.g. reportbug, would work |
| 07:12.11 | shogunx | antartica also, but thats still a slab of ice. |
| 07:12.18 | shogunx | try rural india. |
| 07:12.44 | tonsofpcs | shogunx - no, Antartica has a landmass under it, it also has some nice internet access since the only inhabited part is a research station. |
| 07:12.59 | tuv | tonsofpcs, besides, if exim4 hides the local mailname, won't it ignore sendmail's FROM anyway? |
| 07:13.21 | tonsofpcs | tuv - there's three ways to find out: (1) man; (2) info; (3) try. |
| 07:13.38 | tonsofpcs | (4) Ask the Oracle. |
| 07:13.47 | shogunx | tonsofpcs, one little spot on antartica, and nobody permenantly lives there. |
| 07:14.07 | tuv | tonsofpcs, actually i'm not that interested.. i just want exim4 to use a certain user always |
| 07:14.45 | Vasistha | tonsofpcs: India is considered a subcontinent, it's -kind of- a continent. It has only been a part of asia for a "little while" ;-) |
| 07:14.47 | tonsofpcs | shogunx - according to the laws of many nations (6 months == residency), some people reside there |
| 07:14.48 | shogunx | tuv change the outgoing packet headers in the exim configs? |
| 07:14.58 | tonsofpcs | Vasistha - subcontinent != continent |
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| 07:15.34 | shogunx | tonsofpcs, so if i squat in a random country for 6 months, i am a resident? |
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| 07:15.47 | tonsofpcs | shogunx - if you're there legally, yup. |
| 07:15.51 | valdyn | tuv: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Exim.html |
| 07:15.52 | tonsofpcs | [depending on the country] |
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| 07:16.10 | Vasistha | tonsofpcs: depends on your definition and use. The word continent has a pretty clear cut geological definition, but it's used in all kinds of ways. culturally, India is more like a continent of its own |
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| 07:16.23 | Timtow | where are the logs that would contain errors for saslauthd? |
| 07:16.23 | shogunx | tonsofpcs, according to whose laws (the there legally part)? |
| 07:16.35 | Timtow | it's not starting, I gotta find out why |
| 07:16.46 | tonsofpcs | shogunx - your previouse place of residence and the new locale |
| 07:17.15 | Vasistha | shogunx: it's worth noting that some years ago, a community of americans who had purchased homes in mexico were kicked off their land by the mexican government |
| 07:17.20 | tuv | valdyn, you're the man :) |
| 07:17.38 | shogunx | tonsofpcs, seems more fun to squat and declare self-soveriegnty. |
| 07:17.55 | tonsofpcs | shogunx - like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealand |
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| 07:18.57 | Spaniard87 | hello |
| 07:19.07 | Spaniard87 | im getting this error with 3.1 R2 |
| 07:19.14 | Spaniard87 | everytime i upgrade libc6 |
| 07:19.27 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 07:19.27 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 07:19.30 | davidh | Hi need help. |
| 07:19.31 | Spaniard87 | i did an install on virtual pc |
| 07:19.35 | davidh | aptitude install kernel-source-2.4.27 kernel-package |
| 07:19.40 | Spaniard87 | and on a normal machine |
| 07:19.42 | Spaniard87 | and same error |
| 07:19.48 | Vasistha | !tell Spaniard87 -about enter |
| 07:19.48 | davidh | where does the package get installed? |
| 07:20.02 | davidh | I mean path? |
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| 07:20.59 | Vasistha | davidh: perhaps in /usr/src |
| 07:21.09 | Spaniard87 | error is /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensionslibGLCore.....no symbols found |
| 07:21.23 | shogunx | Vasistha, in the 60's hurricane camille riped up the cost of texas, rerouting the rio grande, the us/mexico border. from the treaty that came after the mexican-american war, there was a clause that if the border ever changed, the property owners would retain their rights, but the soveriegnty would change. mexico kicked the american landowners off in the resulting discrepancy. breach of treaty created unclaimed international territo |
| 07:21.23 | shogunx | ry. a man i know, who is dead now, purchased it from the american land owners, and set up the "republic of rio." he then leased, as RoR, 100,00 acres of land in a soverign land lease. belize was recognized my the UU, which gave RoR defacto recognition. true story. |
| 07:21.35 | davidh | Vasistha: I only see one package. How about kernel-package? |
| 07:22.01 | davidh | Vasistha: kernel-source-2.4.27.tar.bz2 is there. Is it because of this operation? |
| 07:22.09 | Vasistha | shogunx: wow, interesting that I should have quoted that to you of all people! |
| 07:22.15 | shogunx | ^^ leased from belize and UU--> UN |
| 07:22.27 | davidh | Vasistha: But the date and time does not seem right |
| 07:22.53 | shogunx | Vasistha, :) tonsofpcs Sealand rocks it hard. |
| 07:23.13 | tonsofpcs | shogunx - yup |
| 07:23.19 | Vasistha | davidh: you'll want to tar jxf kernel-source-2.4.27.tar.bz2 |
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| 07:24.43 | Vasistha | davidh: sorry to not be more descriptive! I don't know this stuff all that well. Anyway, that bz2 I advised you to unzip, that is the kernel-source, as you might guess. "kernel-package" I think is a binary that would probably be in /usr/sbin or perhaps /usr/bin |
| 07:24.43 | shogunx | tonsofpcs, so a fat satellite uplink or 2 in the arctic does not sound so bad... saves on the hvac for the datacenter anyway:) |
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| 07:25.06 | Spaniard87 | anyone have any iea about the symbol problem im having ? |
| 07:25.10 | tonsofpcs | shogunx - the data senter needs HVAC? why not just H? ;) |
| 07:25.19 | tonsofpcs | *center |
| 07:25.29 | shogunx | hehheh |
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| 07:25.49 | Vasistha | Spaniard87: hmmm, I'm really not the right one to ask, but....... |
| 07:26.04 | shogunx | Vasistha, were you referring to that particular incedent, or a random group of americans? |
| 07:26.05 | Vasistha | Spaniard87: could it be you are trying to compile something, and the libraries you want to link against are not available? |
| 07:26.14 | Spaniard87 | i have a print screen of the error if anyone wants to see |
| 07:26.18 | Vasistha | shogunx: I have no idea ;-) I think this happened maybe five years ago |
| 07:26.31 | Spaniard87 | it happened after i apt-get install libc6 |
| 07:26.32 | Vasistha | Spaniard87: I think it would be more useful to know what it is you are trying to do |
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| 07:26.55 | shogunx | Vasistha, what i was talking about happened in '83 |
| 07:26.56 | Spaniard87 | now it wont let me get into the display manager |
| 07:26.57 | Spaniard87 | gnome |
| 07:27.16 | Vasistha | Spaniard87: this error is coming up after you use apt-get or aptitude or synaptic or something? |
| 07:27.27 | Spaniard87 | apt-get |
| 07:27.47 | Spaniard87 | then when i restarted gdm it came up with these errors |
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| 07:27.57 | shogunx | Spaniard87, looks like you are missing the mesa libs for X. |
| 07:27.58 | Vasistha | Spaniard87: are you running stable/sarge or testing/etch or unstable/sid? |
| 07:28.02 | Spaniard87 | and they're all symbol not found found |
| 07:28.07 | shogunx | should not stop X from starting tho. |
| 07:28.22 | Spaniard87 | the package was from an unstable repository |
| 07:28.26 | Spaniard87 | debian.planetmirror |
| 07:28.44 | shogunx | Spaniard87, ahh. you need the whole unstable tree, or at least the whole unstable X tree. |
| 07:29.33 | Vasistha | Spaniard87: are you sure you should be running unstable? Why are you trying to do that? Maybe you have a good reason, but maybe there is a better solution |
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| 07:29.54 | Spaniard87 | it happens when i go to install the unstable version of mailscanner |
| 07:29.57 | shogunx | Vasistha, he wants an app he probably coud have gotten from backports. |
| 07:29.58 | Vasistha | shogunx: hehheh I recently saw "ice age 2" and there was an interesting tree... dunno about "wobbly" |
| 07:30.02 | Spaniard87 | it wants to update the kernel and all this other stuff |
| 07:30.05 | power1 | Hey all, I was just wondering is there a difference between using the built in alsa driver for an audio device when I compile the kernel vs installing the alsa drivers and not having it compiled into the kernel? |
| 07:30.08 | Vasistha | shogunx: yeah, that's kinda why I was asking... |
| 07:30.20 | shogunx | Vasistha, seen that one. the one that launchs the possums or whatever? |
| 07:30.43 | shogunx | Vasistha, he already did it... i guess he could remove the afflicting package. |
| 07:30.45 | Vasistha | power1: I'm no voice of authority, but my guess is probably not anything you would notice |
| 07:31.05 | power1 | Vasistha, thanks. |
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| 07:31.26 | Spaniard87 | Vasistha: is there a way of install unstable versions of applications without having to upgrade the whole universe? |
| 07:31.32 | Vasistha | shogunx: yeah, the possums. not a great film, but some enjoyable parts. Yeah, I was thinking removing the conflict... |
| 07:31.34 | shogunx | Spaniard87, did it install any other packages? |
| 07:31.46 | cahoot | power1: always use alsa as moudles |
| 07:31.53 | cahoot | modules |
| 07:31.53 | lupz | hello, i've two different routes to the internet with two different connections... i want to route udp traffic through the first and tcp through the other.. any idea ? |
| 07:31.54 | Vasistha | Spaniard87: ...and, were you previously running sarge or etch? |
| 07:31.59 | Spaniard87 | shogunx: libc6, libc5-dev, locales, and a few others |
| 07:32.01 | lupz | both these connections are accessible by two different routers "first: 192.168.0.1 second: 192.168.100.1" |
| 07:32.11 | Spaniard87 | libc6-dev* |
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| 07:32.21 | Spaniard87 | it was on the same one |
| 07:32.25 | Spaniard87 | debian sarge 3.1 r2 |
| 07:32.34 | Spaniard87 | never happened on 3.1 r1 |
| 07:32.36 | power1 | If I am using intel HD Audio and I can hear sound but PCM mixer control has no effect and the only thing that controls volume is the front speaker slider, can I assume its working and it just a mixer problem, this is annoying for me as apps like xmms cant control the volume......? |
| 07:32.37 | shogunx | methinks reverting libc will break a few things. probably the only way forward is forward. |
| 07:32.55 | shogunx | by break i mean wont boot major borkage. |
| 07:33.04 | cahoot | power1: alsamixer? |
| 07:33.20 | power1 | cahoot, yes alsamixer |
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| 07:33.27 | shogunx | methinks also sarge to sid is not for the weak of heart. |
| 07:33.47 | Vasistha | shogunx: you really think he can't revert? I have no experience with this, but gosh... |
| 07:34.09 | cahoot | power1: what alsa version? (proc/asound/version) |
| 07:34.13 | shogunx | he can try. like get the packages and manually dpkg -i them. |
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| 07:34.48 | shogunx | ahhh. woody. those were some good days. |
| 07:34.51 | power1 | cahoot, Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.11rc2 |
| 07:34.57 | lupz | hello, i've two different routes to the internet with two different connections... i want to route udp traffic through the first and tcp through the other.. any idea ? |
| 07:35.00 | lupz | both these connections are accessible by two different routers "first: 192.168.0.1 second: 192.168.100.1" |
| 07:35.35 | shogunx | Vasistha, i mean, thats alot of base packages that got installed. |
| 07:35.39 | Vasistha | shogunx: isn't it also possible to fix the sources.list and set something in the apt config to force stable, including downgrades? |
| 07:35.44 | Nicky | hi, where i can find alsa-modules-2.6.8-2-686 ? |
| 07:36.18 | shogunx | Vasistha, he could try. apt will likely exit with errors more than once during the process. |
| 07:36.42 | Vasistha | shogunx: hrm. I wonder if he's paying attention to our conversation :-) |
| 07:36.53 | cheal | Nicky: are you sure you want that? you're running a 2.6.8-2 Linux image? |
| 07:37.08 | shogunx | Vasistha, if he is not, does he deserve a working X:) |
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| 07:37.16 | Nicky | yes i', running 2.6.8-2 image |
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| 07:37.36 | cheal | Nicky: you should most likely upgrade to 2.6.8-3 |
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| 07:37.50 | cahoot | power1: there are some optional arguments you can give to that module |
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| 07:38.32 | cahoot | power1: look at /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt |
| 07:38.35 | power1 | cahoot, thanks then i assume I must change it from built in to modular and recompile the kernel. |
| 07:38.57 | Vasistha | shogunx: woody was my very first linux install. I couldn't get my pcmcia ethernet card working, and just couldn't jive with it. I didn't get hooked on linux until I tried mepis... which was great in the beginning, then I came back to debian when sarge was stable |
| 07:38.58 | shogunx | Vasistha, i just don't want to tell him something that is going to further break his system. |
| 07:39.26 | Vasistha | shogunx: yeah, really, but... from the sound of it, it's pretty hopelessly broken from his perspective already :-( |
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| 07:39.35 | Timtow | How can I fix this: Starting SASL Authentication Daemon: (failed). |
| 07:39.39 | shogunx | Vasistha, potato was it for me. switched from redhat at 7.2, just before aol bought in. |
| 07:40.09 | shogunx | Vasistha, thats a valid point. if the downgrade does not work, he can always try the full sid tree. |
| 07:40.35 | cahoot | power1: might also consider alsa-1.0.11 (final) since the snd-intel-hda driver has been faulty in earlier alsas |
| 07:40.36 | Vasistha | lupz: hmmm, anyone given you any bright ideas on that tcp vs udp routing issue yet? |
| 07:41.08 | lupz | no.. |
| 07:41.08 | shogunx | Vasistha, did my first openmosix on woody. |
| 07:41.08 | stoned | I think I ate too much |
| 07:41.15 | shogunx | munchies stoned? |
| 07:41.31 | stoned | not really, I hadn't eaten in 1.5 days and my stomach kinda shrank a bit |
| 07:41.38 | stoned | I ate half a burgur and got full |
| 07:41.46 | Nicky | i updated kdelibs 4 how do i revert back ? |
| 07:42.02 | shogunx | stoned food deprivation is only good during shaman training. |
| 07:42.03 | Nicky | my kpackage refuse to start |
| 07:42.12 | stoned | shogunx, or during Ramadan |
| 07:42.14 | Timtow | anybody got an idea of where I'd start looking for why it's giving me this error? Starting SASL Authentication Daemon: (failed). |
| 07:42.38 | shogunx | stoned, same difference, differnet culture:) |
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| 07:43.00 | stoned | Nicky, refused to start how? Try to go to konsole, and start kuser from there, see if you get an error |
| 07:43.07 | shogunx | Timtow, /var/log/messages or /var/log/daemon.log |
| 07:43.17 | stoned | or |
| 07:43.18 | Nicky | it says lacking of libraries since i update kdelibs4 ro rc2 |
| 07:43.21 | stoned | sorry, kpackage |
| 07:43.25 | Vasistha | lupz: lupz I know that, e.g., guarddog (a front end for iptables) can distinguish between blocking tcp and udp. There must be some linux routing software out there that can do what you want |
| 07:43.29 | lewis | what debian mirror should I use for AMD64 etch/testing? I used to use http://ftp.nl.debian.org - but it has stopped working |
| 07:43.50 | lewis | is there somewhere, where I can see a list of AMD64 etch mirrors? |
| 07:43.54 | Timtow | nope nothing there shogunx |
| 07:44.13 | shogunx | Timtow, no dedicated log for it either? |
| 07:44.20 | Timtow | not that I can find |
| 07:44.47 | shogunx | Timtow, /etc/default/sasl (or similar) or the configs in /etc ? |
| 07:44.52 | lupz | Vasistha: i've searched this issue but found nothing.. |
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| 07:45.04 | shogunx | lupz, whats the trouble? |
| 07:45.06 | Vasistha | lupz: have you looked just for linux rounting utilities? |
| 07:45.17 | Vasistha | s/rounting/routing/ |
| 07:45.19 | lupz | hello, i've two different routes to the internet with two different connections... i want to route udp traffic through the first and tcp through the other.. any idea ? |
| 07:45.25 | lupz | both these connections are accessible by two different routers "first: 192.168.0.1 second: 192.168.100.1" |
| 07:45.42 | Timtow | the saslauthd config file looks like it's supposed to |
| 07:45.46 | lupz | Vasistha: yes |
| 07:47.04 | shogunx | lupz see if this helps: http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html |
| 07:47.33 | Timtow | I'm trying to setup postfix w/ sasl authentication following the guide The Perfect Setup - Debian Sarge, but saslauthd wont' start |
| 07:47.47 | power1 | cahoot, thanks man......I still dont understand do I need to load the alsa-drivers package if I have the driver compiled into the kernel as a module? |
| 07:47.53 | damog | is there any real difference between en_US and en_GB in localization of, let's say, Firefox? |
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| 07:48.09 | cahoot | power1: no use the kernel alsa |
| 07:48.28 | krasssy2 | Please anybody help me with grub , i running multiboot system with debian and WinME after diskclone with Norton Ghost ( sorry but i don`t was hear about G4U) my grub is damaged then i run fdisk /mbr and only WinME is work now ? |
| 07:48.30 | lupz | shogunx: thanks :) |
| 07:48.39 | cahoot | power1: alsa-driver is for 2.4 kernels |
| 07:48.57 | formorer | krasssy2: sure fdisk /mbr kills grub |
| 07:49.00 | Timtow | crap, I guess I'll start over, prolly did something wrong |
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| 07:49.05 | Timtow | thanks anyway, guys |
| 07:49.34 | power1 | cahoot, aaah thanks now makes sense... |
| 07:49.38 | krasssy2 | formorer:Actualy norton killed grub first |
| 07:49.51 | formorer | and fdisk /mbr kill it totally |
| 07:50.01 | power1 | cahoot, so in order to upgrade my alsa driver kernel version, I will need to upgrade my kernel......is this correct? |
| 07:50.23 | lewis | how can I be sure that apt is downloading the packages for my correct architecture? |
| 07:50.28 | shogunx | lupz this too: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Adv-Routing-HOWTO.html |
| 07:50.37 | formorer | lewis: apt does that |
| 07:50.41 | cahoot | power1: it *is* possible to use the latest alsa-source from alsa-opensource.org |
| 07:50.44 | tonsofpcs | lewis - what architecture? |
| 07:50.47 | lewis | amd64 |
| 07:51.11 | formorer | apt will refuse to download/install packages for foreign architectures |
| 07:51.17 | cahoot | power1: i e without updating the kernel src |
| 07:51.17 | lewis | ok |
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| 07:51.43 | krasssy2 | formorer:now i am with ubuntu livecd on this machine is possible to repair situation ? |
| 07:51.44 | cahoot | power1: but that neccessitates a modular approach |
| 07:52.19 | shogunx | krasssy2, reinstall grub with an install disk. type expert at the boot prompt, and select "make bootable" or similar from the menu. |
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| 07:53.22 | shogunx | krasssy2, mount your partitions, chroot into your disk installation, and follow the instructions for installing grub. |
| 07:53.38 | shogunx | with the livecd, that is. |
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| 07:55.12 | lewis | silly question, if I am not going to be compiling packages, do I need the deb-src line in /etc/apt/source.list? |
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| 07:55.18 | krasssy2 | shogunx:must i need to mount all partitions ? |
| 07:55.49 | cheal | lewis: no |
| 07:55.51 | shogunx | krasssy2, /boot and / should do it. |
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| 07:56.32 | shogunx | krasssy2, i would mount / then chroot to the mountpoint, the mount /boot. |
| 07:57.35 | lewis | is there a (official) AMD64 etch/testing security mirror yet, or should I continue to use: secure-testing.debian.net? |
| 07:57.47 | power1 | cahoot, thanks you know your alsa stuff..thats for sure......how do I know if I must load the sequencer and all that other stuff ,,, how do i know if the card supports hardware mixing...and all that? |
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| 07:58.35 | TheCarl | what are the open office channels? |
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| 07:59.01 | stoned | #openoffice.org? |
| 07:59.14 | TheCarl | k thanks |
| 07:59.18 | TheCarl | Ill tryit |
| 07:59.18 | cahoot | power1: wrt hw mix look at /proc/asound/pcm and see the number after playback |
| 07:59.42 | TheCarl | worked |
| 07:59.45 | TheCarl | thanks |
| 07:59.45 | cahoot | power1: sequencer - that's for midi and such - no? |
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| 08:01.51 | power1 | cahoot, my device is ALC882 but the alsa docs only refer to alc880 listed under HD Audio, does this mean my device is not officially supported? |
| 08:02.37 | power1 | cahoot, "00-00: ALC882 Analog : ALC882 Analog : playback 1 : capture 2 " |
| 08:03.04 | BlackJudas | ehh what command line program plays ogg music files? |
| 08:04.04 | shogunx | !tell BlackJudas about search |
| 08:04.29 | cahoot | power1: no hw mixing - you're not alone to use that chip - seems some variants have problems but in general it works |
| 08:04.31 | BlackJudas | shogunx, heh... yeah, I know |
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| 08:04.38 | shogunx | heh. |
| 08:04.44 | BlackJudas | shogunx, tell me what you'd search for then. |
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| 08:04.56 | shogunx | ogg player maybe? |
| 08:04.58 | BlackJudas | apt-cache search ogg|grep player gives me diddly |
| 08:05.09 | power1 | cahoot, so you think i should rather just slap in a spare sound blaster live I have lying around? |
| 08:05.30 | shogunx | curses interface ok? |
| 08:05.35 | cahoot | power1: that's the best solution overall if you have the choice |
| 08:06.01 | BlackJudas | shogunx, nah... I essentially need mpg321... for ogg :) |
| 08:06.17 | beetlepun_ | power1, device and chipset are separate things -- very |
| 08:06.24 | lupz | shogunx, Vasistha: http://www.linuxhorizon.ro/iproute2.html |
| 08:06.27 | power1 | cahoot, why the best solution.......from the viewpoint that sblive..everything just works..or from a sound quality point of view? |
| 08:06.34 | lupz | this is how to do this |
| 08:06.36 | lupz | thanks :) |
| 08:06.54 | peterS | power1: probably both (: |
| 08:07.01 | cahoot | power1: soundblasters are among the best supported sound cards |
| 08:07.24 | shogunx | BlackJudas, try music123 |
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| 08:08.12 | shogunx | lupz cool. |
| 08:08.43 | power1 | cahoot, peterS Thanks ill slap the sblive back in...funny thing is I took it out to put it in an amd 64 machine which onboard sound isnt working...I guess ill have to buy another sblive for that one then... |
| 08:09.02 | peterS | power1: well, that or wait for kernel support for at least one of your two chips to improve |
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| 08:09.32 | BlackJudas | hrrm, where'd ogg123 go? I remember it being a package ages ago :( |
| 08:09.43 | power1 | peterS, yip.......patience......is sometimes the only option......<grin> |
| 08:09.46 | cahoot | power1: to simplify alsa setup/use - disable the onboard sound in BIOS |
| 08:09.54 | shogunx | BlackJudas, probably got dropped. |
| 08:10.05 | peterS | cahoot is right, that way you don't have to worry about whether the sblive will become the default output or not |
| 08:10.07 | shogunx | music123 says it will do oggs. |
| 08:10.21 | beetlepun_ | BlackJudas, vorbis-tools |
| 08:10.32 | power1 | peterS, cahoot , is Linux sound support fairly outdated, and does it take a long time to get stable and fully functional? |
| 08:11.05 | peterS | power1: for many chips it Just Works. some have problems, as you have seen. recording is in general less mature / tested than playback, which I guess is also to be expected |
| 08:11.08 | BlackJudas | shogunx, yeah it's just a front-end :) |
| 08:11.11 | BlackJudas | from what I read |
| 08:11.16 | beetlepun_ | power1, what you can try is see the doc from vanilla kernel and see about your card support improvements -- (make-kpkg comes to mind) |
| 08:11.35 | BlackJudas | beetlepun_, thanks I'll give that a try |
| 08:11.36 | shogunx | BlackJudas, and vorbis-tools is the backend. |
| 08:11.36 | power1 | cahoot, thanks what alsa options do you reccomend I enable for sblive when i recompile kernel? |
| 08:11.40 | peterS | power1: really I'd say for *most* chips it Just Works. very new motherboard chips, as with very new anything else, will not have support in older kernels |
| 08:12.01 | beetlepun_ | BlackJudas, vorbis-tools has ogg123 |
| 08:13.01 | power1 | peterS, yeah makes sense......but what is considered very new.....?? 1-2 years old? |
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| 08:13.54 | jhenn | I'm having a problem with sarge installer. Things slow down immensly and do not do anything sometimes. |
| 08:13.59 | peterS | power1: the newest kernel in debian 3.1 in Linux 2.6.8, which I guess is well over a year old, I forget exactly how old. chip variants manufactured since then are probably not supported in general. of course, new motherboards often have old sound chips on them. |
| 08:15.22 | peterS | power1: one thing about linux, you really can't rely on the hardware vendor to ship a new driver to you in a convenient packaged form, like you generally have on Windows. so if your hardware is newer than the kernel you are running, quite often you'll have driver problems |
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| 08:16.10 | power1 | peterS, yeah.....ive seen that with sata raid and ide raid ....... |
| 08:16.43 | ma3x | why when I click 'play' on amarok, it crashes? |
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| 08:16.54 | Iamanub | hi. is there a way to run gnome-windows-decorator in kde without running compiz and xgl? i want to replace kwin with gnome-windows-decorator. |
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| 08:17.05 | power1 | peterS, but in general its allways worth the wait.....also I try to tell people to rather buy proven older boards than new cutting edge ones.......just makes the linux experience more pleasurable and less hair pulling...... |
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| 08:17.12 | peterS | power1: I guess the solution is to try newer kernels. this is sometimes easier said than done, as newer kernels sometimes require newer userspace tools in one case or another. but newer kernels *are* available targetted for sarge, on backports.org, I _think_ |
| 08:17.30 | ma3x | amarok: relocation error: /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.1.1/xineplug_ao_out_alsa.so: symbol snd_pcm_hw_params_set_rate_near, version ALSA_0.9.0rc4 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference |
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| 08:18.04 | EdLin | peterS: you think correctly |
| 08:18.05 | cahoot | ma3x: looks likeyou got hit by the libasound bug |
| 08:18.17 | peterS | ma3x: yeah, http://bugs.debian.org/369040, IIRC |
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| 08:18.32 | peterS | (I haven't hit that bug or checked that report) |
| 08:18.37 | power1 | peterS, yeah in the past ive allways used gentoo, but I am trying to switch all the boxes over to debian.....just find it easier to use, better documentation etc,,, only downside is age of kernel...but thats for stability reasons. |
| 08:18.51 | peterS | power1: indeed it is (: |
| 08:19.01 | formorer | power1: bpo has newer kernels |
| 08:19.37 | power1 | formorer, peterS .....<grin> I havent gotten to backports yet...in fact I dont know what they are! |
| 08:19.48 | formorer | www.backports.org |
| 08:19.58 | formorer | and please read the instructions before installing anything |
| 08:19.59 | peterS | power1: backports.org is where to find new software compiled for old debian releases, basically |
| 08:20.04 | ma3x | peterS, what's the solution to that? |
| 08:20.09 | ade|home | does anyone know why linux-image 2.6.16-1 is -12 on all powerpc which is -14 , why don't the other archs get -14 ? |
| 08:20.18 | peterS | ma3x: dunno, read the bug report, I guess |
| 08:20.32 | ma3x | peterS, I dont see solution |
| 08:20.37 | EdLin | ade|home: I'm sure someone knows |
| 08:21.02 | shogunx | ade|home, the ppc guys needed a few more patches? |
| 08:21.12 | ma3x | how do you apply the patch? |
| 08:21.15 | ma3x | .diff file? |
| 08:21.36 | cahoot | ma3x: someone reported yesterady that updating fixed it by reinstalling libasound2-4 (hearsay though) |
| 08:21.38 | EdLin | ma3x: no, that's for the mainainer to do |
| 08:22.03 | power1 | peterS, thanks a ton for the help....im gonna recompile and reboot. |
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| 08:22.15 | peterS | have fun, power1 |
| 08:23.02 | ade|home | is there a howto build kernel the debian way ? |
| 08:23.17 | ma3x | cahoot, it doesnt fix it |
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| 08:23.42 | cahoot | ma3x: ok my bad then |
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| 08:24.04 | ma3x | your bad then |
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| 08:25.31 | lewis | is this correct, for amd64 etch box: deb http://security.debian.org/debian etch main |
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| 08:26.38 | Nicky | debian:~# alsaconf |
| 08:26.38 | Nicky | modinfo: could not find module snd |
| 08:26.42 | Nicky | how do i fix ? |
| 08:27.01 | paulliu | hi, why "gnome" (source package: meta-gnome2) is not in Etch? |
| 08:27.15 | jhenn | is there some kind of problem with ftp.debian.org? |
| 08:27.19 | jhenn | mine is stuck |
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| 08:29.22 | EdLin | !tell ade|home about kp |
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| 08:38.47 | ade|home | thanks EdLin |
| 08:39.09 | EdLin | ade|home: np |
| 08:39.12 | blahdeblah | Hi. Why would my gnome-panel stop loading on login? It seems like it's hanging, waiting for something to respond, but i've no idea how to work out what it is. |
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| 08:39.46 | paulliu | blahdeblah: are you using aptitude? or synaptic? |
| 08:39.57 | blahdeblah | paulliu: apt-get |
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| 08:40.37 | paulliu | blahdeblah: I have your problem before and I found it is because I forgot to remove some old libs which is out of the list... |
| 08:41.01 | Nicky | where's the file ./config ? |
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| 08:41.13 | blahdeblah | paulliu: I thought it might be something like that, but i couldn't see anything that i've done recently that might affect that. |
| 08:41.34 | paulliu | blahdeblah: are you updating gnome? |
| 08:41.47 | blahdeblah | paulliu: No - thati's why i couldn't work it out. |
| 08:41.57 | blahdeblah | s/i's/'s/ |
| 08:42.18 | paulliu | blahdeblah: sorry, seems a different situation... |
| 08:42.18 | blahdeblah | My icewm shortcut keys don't work either (e.g. Alt-F10) |
| 08:43.06 | blahdeblah | paulliu: Thanks anyway |
| 08:43.08 | jhenn | can someone help me get my wireless working? its ralink 2500 |
| 08:43.30 | dli | jhenn, can you " modprobe rt2500 "? |
| 08:44.05 | jhenn | dli: module not found |
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| 08:44.37 | jhenn | dli: i've gotten past this |
| 08:44.43 | SubStack | apt-get install rt2500-source |
| 08:44.46 | jhenn | dli: i need tobuild the drivers |
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| 08:44.47 | dli | jhenn, then, you need the kernel module first |
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| 08:45.37 | dli | jhenn, the easiest way to build it would be getting the source in /usr/src/modules/ , and run m-a |
| 08:46.12 | dli | !tell jhenn about m-a |
| 08:46.53 | dli | jhenn, if you build your kernel, you can do " make-kpkg modules-image " |
| 08:47.01 | jhenn | maybe i need to be a little bit more clear |
| 08:47.04 | jhenn | gimme a second |
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| 08:48.25 | Nicky | where's the file ./config ? |
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| 08:51.23 | streuner | Nicky: for what for? |
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| 08:52.51 | streuner | Nicky: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 08:54.41 | charlotte | hi |
| 08:55.38 | charlotte | I have a question about Etch and 3D with my ATI RV350 Mobility Radeon 9600 M10. |
| 08:56.17 | charlotte | glxinfo shows.. OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
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| 08:57.30 | Nicky | streuner modinfo gave me an error looking for snd module and a guide told me to get'in in ./config |
| 08:58.04 | charlotte | But in the log /var/log/Xorg.0.log so dose it say.. (II) RADEON(0): [drm] Initialized kernel GART heap manager, 5111808 (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled |
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| 08:59.06 | charlotte | I only get 1624 frames in 5.0 seconds = 324.699 FPS |
| 08:59.26 | charlotte | Is 3D disbaled in Etch? |
| 08:59.51 | charlotte | I use the free drivers. |
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| 09:00.46 | charlotte | So why dose the xorg log say one thing and glxinfo another thing? |
| 09:01.01 | rem | . |
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| 09:02.32 | formorer | charlotte: please install: libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 09:02.42 | charlotte | ok |
| 09:03.06 | formorer | normally this should do the trick (it does on my RV350) |
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| 09:03.26 | ReedWood | Hello, is there a way changing compiler flags if I use dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 09:03.52 | formorer | moste makefiles should accept CFLAGS |
| 09:03.58 | charlotte | Thanks a lot I will test that. |
| 09:04.06 | formorer | no problem |
| 09:04.07 | phyrster | in my /usr/sbin dir, I have these files with strange Size and Permissions: |
| 09:04.09 | phyrster | -r-S-w--wT 33261 root root 7.6T 2006-02-05 23:31 update-ca-certificates |
| 09:04.11 | phyrster | -r-s---r-t 33261 root root 23T 2006-04-19 21:10 update-catalog |
| 09:04.28 | phyrster | 7.6T how can it be possible? |
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| 09:04.47 | phyrster | and they have +S permission. What's going on? |
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| 09:08.29 | Bitz | hi, any ideas why i can't install exim4 |
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| 09:08.59 | formorer | Bitz: any ideas why my car don't starts? |
| 09:09.08 | liable | hola |
| 09:09.26 | Bitz | it give me errors |
| 09:09.34 | formorer | my car too |
| 09:09.45 | Bitz | Error: Unsplit config selected and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template missing ... exiting |
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| 09:09.58 | omry_ | hi, did sun's java got into etch yet? |
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| 09:10.06 | dacu | lol |
| 09:10.19 | liable | omry_: prolly not just yet. |
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| 09:10.23 | streuner | Bitz: give us more details, our crystal-thingie is in low stat |
| 09:10.36 | formorer | Bitz: try: dpkg --purge exim4-config |
| 09:10.50 | formorer | and then install again |
| 09:11.19 | streuner | Bitz: paste your sources.list into paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 09:11.25 | omry_ | liable thanks. |
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| 09:11.46 | formorer | streuner: its not a sourceslist bug, that bug is more weird (I think) |
| 09:12.12 | streuner | formorer: you never know what other people have in there sources.list ;-) |
| 09:13.27 | felix_ | omry, try this url to find it out: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl |
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| 09:13.45 | nagulator | hello debbers |
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| 09:14.10 | b0red | hi. what's this port for? 587/tcp open submission |
| 09:14.16 | formorer | postfix |
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| 09:14.19 | b0red | ok |
| 09:14.21 | formorer | message submission port |
| 09:14.40 | b0red | but postfix isn't installed |
| 09:14.49 | formorer | then its exim for message submission |
| 09:15.25 | formorer | b0red: see RFC2476 (Message Submission) |
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| 09:17.18 | Spaniard87 | how do i stop aptitude from upgrading old version of packages? |
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| 09:17.32 | deadcat | hold it |
| 09:17.37 | liable | Spaniard87: aptitude hold foo |
| 09:17.55 | liable | Spaniard87: man aptitude explains it. |
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| 09:17.58 | b0red | what is amavisd? |
| 09:18.06 | formorer | a message filter |
| 09:18.24 | liable | doesnt iit do viruses? |
| 09:18.32 | liable | s/iit/it/ |
| 09:18.40 | formorer | it does virus scanning too (and much more) |
| 09:18.40 | deadcat | how do i make aptitude go through the list of packages installed on the system and ask if i want to remove them? like debfoster.. exactly like debfoster.. since debfoster is dropped soon |
| 09:18.52 | ReedWood | formorer: you seem to know what I want to know. Is there a possibility to handle compiler flags on the commant line by using dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 09:19.02 | Oryn | yes but you need anexternal av scanner |
| 09:19.26 | Spaniard87 | how about with apt-get? |
| 09:19.30 | formorer | ReedWood: as I said most Makefiles use the CFLAGS variable |
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| 09:19.36 | deadcat | Spaniard87: cant.. use dpkg |
| 09:19.42 | liable | deadcat: when is debfoster getting dropped? |
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| 09:19.46 | khermans | how do i launch an X app from cron? |
| 09:20.00 | deadcat | liable: soon. it displayed a msg when i upgraded that pkg |
| 09:20.09 | formorer | khermans: set the DISPLAY variable |
| 09:20.10 | deadcat | khermans: you cant. |
| 09:20.17 | formorer | of course he can |
| 09:20.18 | Spaniard87 | that hold foo thing isn't working with apt-get |
| 09:20.20 | khermans | lol |
| 09:20.27 | formorer | its fiddling and a hack, but its possible |
| 09:20.31 | Spaniard87 | like for example...if i wanted to do apt-get install mailscanner and hold the upgrades |
| 09:20.33 | deadcat | Spaniard87: you DONT use apt-get.. you use dpkg |
| 09:20.33 | Oryn | deadcat: you could use dselect, that will give you a list of packages and let you remove them |
| 09:20.34 | khermans | export DISPLAY=:0 && xmms ? |
| 09:20.44 | formorer | DISPLAY=:0 xmms |
| 09:20.45 | liable | deadcat: and it says aptitude is the replacement? (just interested cause someone else asked how to do it with aptitude the other day) |
| 09:20.54 | formorer | you don't need to export it |
| 09:20.58 | deadcat | liable: ya. |
| 09:21.08 | Spaniard87 | you wouldn't happen to have an example? |
| 09:21.14 | formorer | khermans: and you have to be the same user that the one that runs X |
| 09:21.16 | khermans | formorer, ahh sweet, thk dude! |
| 09:21.20 | khermans | formorer, yep i am |
| 09:21.25 | deadcat | liable: but when i email the debfoster dude. he doesnt know how.. what the fuck.. )= |
| 09:21.30 | Oryn | deadcat: of if is just one of 2 then apt-get remove <package1> <package2> <etc......> |
| 09:21.39 | Oryn | of = or |
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| 09:22.17 | deadcat | Oryn: no. i want to go through all my packages. since debfoster removes the dependencies if they are no longer needed as well. thats what i like about it. |
| 09:22.19 | liable | deadcat: hehe, so he adds that to his package script but doesnt know?? guess checking the devel lists might come up with something. |
| 09:22.22 | Oryn | deadcat: if you really hate a package´s guts thn dpkg -P <package> |
| 09:22.46 | deadcat | Oryn: i know -P but thats not what i want. |
| 09:22.58 | Oryn | deadcat: dselect will also d that |
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| 09:23.03 | deadcat | Oryn: i want to go THROUGH the list of installed pkg on my system |
| 09:23.13 | Oryn | d = do |
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| 09:23.43 | deadcat | Oryn: which number? |
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| 09:24.28 | Oryn | although dselect lists all available, and groups all currently installed in a nice group |
| 09:24.51 | deadcat | Oryn: so it doesnt go through the list of installed pkg on my system then? |
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| 09:25.30 | b0red | hey. why i'm getting no ident response when i enabled identd in inetd.conf? |
| 09:25.56 | formorer | b0red: killall -HUP inetd |
| 09:26.25 | Oryn | deadcat: why don you just try it. (if you want to panic the ¨x¨ key is your friend) |
| 09:26.30 | b0red | formorer, it's running.. |
| 09:26.46 | formorer | b0red: netstat -lts shows the port open? |
| 09:26.47 | deadcat | Oryn: where? i cant find it |
| 09:27.24 | formorer | b0red: forgot the 's' |
| 09:27.50 | Oryn | deadcat: get to a # prompt and type dselect (if you dont have it then apt-get install dselect) |
| 09:28.01 | b0red | formorer, no it doesn't |
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| 09:28.10 | deadcat | Oryn: i know that. i mean where in dselect do i see the list |
| 09:28.18 | b0red | formorer, but i do nmap localhost i see it open |
| 09:28.34 | b0red | hmm. hold on a sec. |
| 09:28.36 | Oryn | option 2 select packages |
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| 09:28.43 | liable | deadcat: dunno if the clean obsolete files is what he may be on about.. (though that is not what debfoster does) |
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| 09:29.38 | deadcat | liable: it not really about cleaning up. but more like removing the .debs |
| 09:29.55 | deadcat | that bastard left without telling me.. |
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| 09:30.47 | b0red | formorer, yeah it's open... but still no ident reply.. |
| 09:31.07 | b0red | oh weird. |
| 09:31.15 | b0red | seems identd is crashing |
| 09:31.22 | formorer | ah :) |
| 09:32.08 | b0red | yeah weird why it's stopping |
| 09:32.23 | b0red | i just uncommented the <off> line in inetd.conf |
| 09:32.42 | b0red | ident stream tcp wait identd /usr/sbin/identd identd |
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| 09:33.59 | b0red | May 28 11:30:18 c0mp1l3r inetd[31206]: /usr/sbin/identd: exit status 0x1 |
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| 09:34.16 | b0red | May 28 11:30:18 c0mp1l3r inetd[31249]: getpwnam: identd: No such user |
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| 09:41.44 | Spaniard87 | shit |
| 09:42.00 | Spaniard87 | im getting an error /etc/X11/x is not exectuable |
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| 09:42.31 | blondie | Spaniard87: /etc/X11/X (capital letter) |
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| 09:42.41 | jeffrin | hello |
| 09:42.44 | Spaniard87 | yer sorry thats what i meant |
| 09:43.16 | blondie | what does "ls -l /etc/X11/X" say? |
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| 09:44.24 | Spaniard87 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2006-05-29 04:23 X -> /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
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| 09:44.50 | jeffrin | how to build i686 deb from debian source |
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| 09:45.14 | nuvem | I need help installing debian .. |
| 09:45.23 | lucox | unstable:upgrade anybody with x11-common problem, too ? |
| 09:45.25 | jeffrin | ok |
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| 09:45.33 | jeffrin | nuvem : ok |
| 09:45.52 | nuvem | I'm booting it off of a dvd. |
| 09:46.13 | nuvem | After the hardware detection box, my computer hangs. |
| 09:46.16 | nuvem | Don't know why. |
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| 09:46.45 | x-x- | did you try to disable acpi? |
| 09:47.09 | nuvem | Was it acpi or apic? |
| 09:47.18 | nuvem | Yes, I've tried disabling both of those. |
| 09:47.22 | nuvem | .. in the BIOS. |
| 09:47.34 | lucox | nobody problems by upgrading in unstable ? |
| 09:49.05 | nuvem | I've never installed debian successfully before, because of this problem; the machine just hangs. I once left it as it was overnight, to no effect. |
| 09:49.34 | liable | nuvem: there are boot options to disable it. check F3 or F4 when you boot the disk. you might want to try disabling usb too, some boxes seem to puke with it too. |
| 09:50.09 | nuvem | well I need USB, as my keyboard isn't a PS/2 .. (nor mouse). |
| 09:50.30 | EdLin | lucox: http://wiki.debian.org/Status/Unstable |
| 09:50.33 | liable | nuvem: tried both kernels? |
| 09:50.41 | nuvem | Both kernels? |
| 09:50.41 | b0red | there's no traceroute by default installation on debian? |
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| 09:51.07 | liable | nuvem: yes. 2.4 is default, 2.6 with linux26 boot option |
| 09:51.19 | Spaniard87 | i still cant work out how to stop packages from updated |
| 09:51.26 | nuvem | Well, I've noticed the 2.6 kernel option .. I might try that. |
| 09:51.33 | liable | nuvem: have a read ofthe install guide. |
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| 09:51.42 | Spaniard87 | like when i install mailscanner or apache2 unstable it wants to update libc6 but i dont want it to because it stuffs up my display manager |
| 09:51.53 | nuvem | Been to the install guide .. just skimmed through it. |
| 09:51.58 | sepski | Spaniard87, if you want to stop a package, put it on hold |
| 09:51.59 | sepski | !hold |
| 09:52.00 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
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| 09:52.19 | liable | nuvem: haha, i was actually gonna say.. dont just skim through it.. :P |
| 09:52.24 | Fare | hi |
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| 09:52.46 | nuvem | Well what's the difference in booting two different version of the kernel? |
| 09:53.32 | streuner | 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 09:53.33 | sepski | nuvem, the difference in the kernel offcourse... what a strange question |
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| 09:53.34 | liable | kernel is about hardware support. so if it pukes with one version, try another.. |
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| 09:54.11 | Fare | has anyone succeeded to use suspend2 with loop-aes? |
| 09:54.14 | nuvem | Haha, poor wording on my part. :P |
| 09:54.31 | nuvem | I'll try the 2.6 option. |
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| 09:54.35 | nuvem | Thanks. |
| 09:55.13 | Spaniard87 | umm i know this is a newb question...but how to you do that line? |
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| 09:55.59 | sepski | Spaniard87, just like it's written but without the ' |
| 09:56.15 | sepski | pkgname is ofcousrs the packagename you want to put on hold |
| 09:56.46 | Spaniard87 | ha? |
| 09:57.17 | Spaniard87 | that line? |
| 09:57.38 | liable | eh? |
| 09:57.48 | sepski | !confuse Spaniard87 |
| 09:57.48 | dpkg | Yes, who are our gouda yesterday, Spaniard87? pants of the people's republic of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 09:57.52 | Spaniard87 | im just curious how to do that symbol |
| 09:58.05 | sepski | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.07 | Spaniard87 | yes |
| 09:58.24 | DaBlade | Does anyone know how to disable the nVIDIA splash screen that occours when Xorg starts? |
| 09:58.24 | liable | above the / ?? |
| 09:58.33 | sepski | Spaniard87, depends on your keymap :) i have it at the button below escape key |
| 09:58.37 | Arafangion | Spaniard87: What kind of keyboard do you have? |
| 09:58.47 | Spaniard87 | us qwerty |
| 09:58.49 | sepski | DaBlade, it's in the nvidia readme file |
| 09:58.58 | DaBlade | sepski: K. |
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| 09:59.21 | Arafangion | Spaniard87: Which line in particular? |
| 10:00.08 | Spaniard87 | the line that sepski did |
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| 10:00.10 | Fare | DaBlade: there's an option somewhere explained in the readme |
| 10:00.16 | sepski | !hold |
| 10:00.16 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
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| 10:00.37 | sepski | he need to find the pipe char | or a us keyboard |
| 10:00.57 | Spaniard87 | found it |
| 10:01.02 | Spaniard87 | above my enter key |
| 10:01.04 | Spaniard87 | thanks |
| 10:01.09 | Spaniard87 | | |
| 10:01.10 | Spaniard87 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:01.43 | sepski | Spaniard87, amazed that you'v never needed it before. i use that key many _MANY_ times a day |
| 10:01.46 | Arafangion | That reminds me, is there a simple guide to allowing one to use UTF in a terminal? |
| 10:01.50 | zzz | Hi! With what program can i view how a .ttf looks like? |
| 10:01.54 | madona | hello.. I have a shell question |
| 10:02.04 | sussudio_ | 2200 bogomips. yay. |
| 10:02.11 | Arafangion | madona: Congratulations. |
| 10:02.15 | madona | I'm programing a php script. . ! |
| 10:02.22 | sepski | !tell madona about enter |
| 10:02.32 | madona | Arafangion: tahnkyou |
| 10:02.33 | Spaniard87 | can you believe i've set up a DNS server, mail filter and web server in the past without that key? |
| 10:02.35 | madona | :) |
| 10:02.42 | Arafangion | Spaniard87: No. |
| 10:02.45 | DaBlade | Fare: can't find it |
| 10:02.46 | sepski | Spaniard87, umm no i |
| 10:02.46 | Spaniard87 | lol i have |
| 10:02.59 | sepski | Spaniard87, i dont belive you |
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| 10:03.02 | Arafangion | Spaniard87: Can you believe that I've setup those three without even *looking* at my keyboard? |
| 10:03.23 | Fare | I found it, when I tried |
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| 10:03.32 | Spaniard87 | lol it's okay you don't have to beleive me. i understand |
| 10:03.40 | chump | hey i use xchat to get mp3's the channel i use uses the @find is there a way to have the echo's come in private dialogue form instead of in the main window? |
| 10:03.51 | madona | I have in a variable the content of an image.. let call it $myimage.. and I want to do shell_exec('convert +23-23 '.... ) |
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| 10:03.57 | Spaniard87 | but i assure you i have |
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| 10:04.06 | madona | convert is an imagemagic prog |
| 10:04.08 | sepski | chump, not in xchat, that's a bot feature. |
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| 10:04.30 | stephan__ | im not autherized to run startx with regular user how can i fix this |
| 10:04.31 | madona | but I dont know how to pass that image information to convert |
| 10:04.32 | sepski | chump, perhaps you can msg the bot |
| 10:04.42 | Arafangion | madona: Why don't you ask #php? |
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| 10:04.45 | madona | because convert requires a file path.. and I have th efile data |
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| 10:04.58 | azeem | stephan__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common I think |
| 10:05.00 | nuvem | Hello, I'm back. |
| 10:05.01 | madona | because.. it is a command line problem.. |
| 10:05.06 | nuvem | .. 2.6 didn't work either .. |
| 10:05.24 | sepski | nuvem, are you trying to install sarge on new hardware ? |
| 10:05.38 | nuvem | Actually, my hardware is sorta' outdated .. |
| 10:05.43 | Arafangion | madona: (1) I don't know php, possibly someone might, but #php users are likely to do so. |
| 10:05.55 | madona | ok.. thanks |
| 10:05.56 | sepski | nuvem, what is your problem then ? |
| 10:05.59 | Arafangion | madona: (2) It is possibly a PATH issue, but I don't know how to set that for php either, #php users are likely to know. |
| 10:06.07 | nuvem | I can't install debian (sarge) |
| 10:06.13 | Arafangion | madona: (3) It could be a syntax issue, php users are also likely to know. |
| 10:06.24 | madona | Arafangion: tahnkyou.. |
| 10:06.28 | nuvem | It hangs after the 'hardware detection' box. |
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| 10:06.52 | Arafangion | madona: A case in point, some languages require you to do use some odd notation, such as Perl. |
| 10:06.56 | stephan__ | azeem. its not found :/ |
| 10:07.10 | azeem | stephan__: what is "it"? |
| 10:07.11 | Arafangion | madona: It's possible that php inherited that - it was originally developed in perl, you know :) |
| 10:07.21 | azeem | stephan__: you have to run that as root |
| 10:07.23 | nuvem | I've already tried disabling acpi |
| 10:07.28 | sepski | nuvem, how outdated ? read the install guide and play with the kernel switches |
| 10:07.37 | sepski | also try noapic |
| 10:07.51 | stephan__ | azeem, i did :p |
| 10:08.05 | pyroplasm | madona: I don't program php but I am sure there is a imagemagick library for it and calling the convert binary might not be the best solution anyhow. |
| 10:08.05 | nuvem | Hardware is an AMD Athlon. |
| 10:08.06 | azeem | stephan__: are you running unstable? |
| 10:08.25 | nuvem | There's nothing much more I can say .. |
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| 10:09.11 | sepski | nuvem, then iy's not outdated at all |
| 10:09.11 | stephan__ | azeem. no |
| 10:09.41 | azeem | no idea then |
| 10:10.10 | nuvem | This happens across different distros I've tried .. |
| 10:10.28 | sepski | nuvem, you could try a installer with a more recent kernel (if it's a hardware issue) |
| 10:10.32 | sepski | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 10:10.32 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 10:10.46 | nuvem | I don't have an AMD64. |
| 10:10.59 | EdLin | nuvem: then try the first link |
| 10:11.11 | liable | nuvem: can you borrow a ps2 keyboard and try it without usb support. |
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| 10:12.13 | nuvem | What's the link for? |
| 10:12.25 | pvd2006 | is debian it self better than ubuntu? |
| 10:12.37 | liable | pvd2006: depends |
| 10:12.37 | sepski | !better |
| 10:12.37 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 10:13.04 | EdLin | pvd2006: Debian has a much cooler bot. ;-) |
| 10:13.06 | sepski | pvd2006, for me ubuntu is useless so for me it's better. by friend have different needs for him ubuntu is better. |
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| 10:13.21 | pvd2006 | I see |
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| 10:13.36 | Arafangion | pvd2006: My laptop works wel with ubuntu, install it, everything works, etc. It's excellent. |
| 10:13.46 | Arafangion | pvd2006: No need to change anything, so for my laptop, it's better. |
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| 10:13.55 | EdLin | pvd2006: it really depends on how much you like GNOME and how much you need to have applications picked for you |
| 10:14.05 | pvd2006 | yeah see I dont like gnome |
| 10:14.07 | pvd2006 | I like xfce |
| 10:14.14 | pvd2006 | so does debian give you the option to install it |
| 10:14.15 | Arafangion | pvd2006: My servers, however, require a mature and stable system, which is easily mantained by _ME_, so Debian's better. |
| 10:14.20 | sepski | pvd2006, yes use debian |
| 10:14.23 | EdLin | pvd2006: they have a new one out called xubuntu that uses xfce |
| 10:14.26 | pvd2006 | I am running xubuntu right now |
| 10:14.28 | Arafangion | pvd2006: Debian is the largest distro. |
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| 10:14.49 | sepski | !window manager |
| 10:14.49 | dpkg | well, window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoon, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 10:14.51 | pvd2006 | I just think it makes more sense to have the option up front |
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| 10:15.23 | pvd2006 | and to be able to pick your packages up front |
| 10:15.36 | pvd2006 | so I guess I will try debian |
| 10:15.43 | pvd2006 | because I cant remove a lot of stuff in ubuntu based on dependencies like open office |
| 10:16.11 | Arafangion | pvd2006: Debian has a much slower release cycle. |
| 10:16.28 | pvd2006 | oh? |
| 10:16.34 | pvd2006 | I thought 6months was a long time:-x |
| 10:16.34 | Arafangion | pvd2006: Ubuntu must have a release every 6 months, which results in stupid crap such as a crashing OOo1.9 beta. |
| 10:16.42 | pvd2006 | ohh |
| 10:16.53 | pvd2006 | so its better to not have a fast release |
| 10:17.18 | pvd2006 | for stability |
| 10:17.25 | _rene_ | right |
| 10:17.28 | _rene_ | Debian etch hopefully will be ~18 months |
| 10:17.32 | Arafangion | pvd2006: Indeed. Debian Stable is nearly guarnateed to just _work_. |
| 10:17.37 | sepski | pvd2006, but you can use etch instead of the releases. then you lag sufficiently behind bleeding edge to be confortable. while still getting new shiny pebbles to play with |
| 10:17.44 | sepski | pvd2006, ofcouse. |
| 10:17.53 | _rene_ | (Plan: December) |
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| 10:18.31 | nuvem_ | sorry, computer hung .. had to reset. |
| 10:18.31 | Arafangion | _rene_: Didn't Debian take 3 years between releases at one point? |
| 10:18.39 | sepski | i use oldstable for very critical server, stable for critical server, etch for my desktop workstation, and sid for my plaything |
| 10:18.40 | sepski | :) |
| 10:18.42 | _rene_ | yes. and? |
| 10:19.11 | pvd2006 | hmm perhaps Ill build a debian package with openbox:), btw does it preconfigure openbox and such for you with menus and all? |
| 10:19.18 | pvd2006 | whoops |
| 10:19.20 | pvd2006 | debian partition |
| 10:19.23 | nuvem_ | So how would I load a custom kernel when I'm installing via DVD? |
| 10:19.24 | Arafangion | pvd2006: Yes. |
| 10:19.32 | nuvem_ | .. with no other way? |
| 10:19.41 | _rene_ | that doesn't say anything against that etch is planned for dec, which is 18 months after sarge |
| 10:19.58 | Arafangion | _rene_: Indeed, just a random comment. |
| 10:20.19 | Arafangion | _rene_: Is the m68k still teh bottleneck? |
| 10:20.46 | _rene_ | no, m68k is currently out of the release-archs |
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| 10:20.58 | Arafangion | Excellent. |
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| 10:21.54 | pvd2006 | I am running linux mainly for a desktop right now, just learning linux basically, so I guess etch would be alright for me. |
| 10:22.16 | nuvem | sigh |
| 10:22.34 | nuvem | I'm tired of not being able to install debian .. |
| 10:23.18 | formorer | nuvem: tried noapic, nolapic? |
| 10:23.26 | nuvem | Tried that already. |
| 10:23.29 | formorer | nuvem: this works most time with nvida crap |
| 10:23.32 | Arafangion | pvd2006: Debian does have a slightly harder learning curve than Ubuntu, imho. |
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| 10:24.13 | pvd2006 | well it cant be harder than tryign to install gentoo right? |
| 10:24.15 | formorer | nuvem: tried the etch installer? |
| 10:24.18 | nuvem | List of things I tried so far: disable acpi, disable apic, try the 2.6 kernel |
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| 10:24.31 | nuvem | etch installer? |
| 10:24.35 | Arafangion | pvd2006: No, easier. |
| 10:24.51 | Arafangion | *shudders*. |
| 10:24.53 | formorer | nuvem: yeah, testing |
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| 10:25.21 | nuvem | If it involves burning a small file to DVD then forget it. |
| 10:25.34 | formorer | hm? |
| 10:25.36 | nuvem | I've got no floppy drive. :) |
| 10:25.47 | formorer | nuvem: you can use usb |
| 10:26.12 | nuvem | This mobo doesn't support usb booting |
| 10:26.18 | formorer | cd? |
| 10:26.41 | nuvem | CD, yes. |
| 10:26.43 | formorer | nuvem: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ - otherwise you can try that one |
| 10:26.46 | pvd2006 | I guess the minimal cd is best to download? |
| 10:26.54 | pvd2006 | I have a fast connection |
| 10:26.56 | formorer | nuvem: thats sarge installer with 2.6.16 |
| 10:26.59 | formorer | eh .15 |
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| 10:27.24 | nuvem | I don't want to burn another CD just to see if it works. |
| 10:27.35 | formorer | then I can't help you |
| 10:28.04 | nuvem | Besides, what's so special about the iso's on the url you provided? |
| 10:28.15 | formorer | they have a much newer kernel |
| 10:28.30 | pvd2006 | does the minimal cd accept pppoe adsl connections? |
| 10:28.32 | nuvem | Asides from the kernels provided on the sarge dvd release? |
| 10:28.58 | pvd2006 | when installing |
| 10:28.59 | nuvem | Because I downloaded the DVD set yesterday .. |
| 10:29.04 | formorer | nuvem: 2.6.8 vs. 2.6.15 |
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| 10:29.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | You can also specify complete networks, giving the bit-width of the netmask ??? |
| 10:29.24 | formorer | nuvem: the difference are a few million lines of code |
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| 10:29.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | could someone explain me now to use that? |
| 10:29.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | what is an bit-width? |
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| 10:30.14 | Erkethan[FR] | Hello all :) |
| 10:30.26 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: The number of bits used? |
| 10:30.34 | nuvem | I don't enjoy having too many beercoasters around. :( |
| 10:30.46 | Erkethan[FR] | One more time, I need your Xperience ^^ |
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| 10:31.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, well wen i wnat the ips 192.168.1.100 till 192.168.1.200 allowed how would i fill that in in the for of 192.168.1.100/something?? |
| 10:31.31 | pvd2006 | if I can get this to work I am going to build a media center for my friend using the minimal cd |
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| 10:32.03 | Erkethan[FR] | I want to find which files contains the greetings messages (one just before login prompt and the other just after), for modifiy it. |
| 10:32.51 | formorer | Erkethan[FR]: issue(.net) and motd |
| 10:32.51 | nuvem | So after burning an image onto a CD, I just boot off of it? |
| 10:32.58 | formorer | sure |
| 10:33.00 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: Ok, fundamental IP networking. |
| 10:33.05 | nuvem | What about the installation files? |
| 10:33.12 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: Every computer is identified by a 32-bit code. |
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| 10:33.38 | Erkethan[FR] | formorer: where ? just in / ? |
| 10:33.45 | formorer | nuvem: thats a network installation disk, you will get rest via network |
| 10:33.47 | formorer | Erkethan[FR]: /etc |
| 10:33.51 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: That 32 bit code contains a "host portion", and a "network portion". |
| 10:34.21 | nuvem | Sigh, and to think that I spent the night before downloading those two DVD images .. |
| 10:34.22 | Erkethan[FR] | formorer: thanks for this rapid answer :)) |
| 10:34.25 | nuvem | :P |
| 10:34.34 | formorer | Erkethan[FR]: no problem |
| 10:34.41 | formorer | nuvem: network installation is a feature ;) |
| 10:34.42 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: So, all computers with the same network portion are considered to be on the same network, with me so far? |
| 10:34.54 | nuvem | Any special network requirements? |
| 10:35.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, yes |
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| 10:35.15 | formorer | nuvem: it will use ftp or http |
| 10:35.16 | pvd2006 | Does The minimal net cd let you setup a adsl pppoe connection so you can download the packages you need? |
| 10:35.24 | formorer | nuvem: so no special requirements |
| 10:35.24 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: In your example, if the two IP addresses begin with 192.168.1, they are on the same network? |
| 10:35.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | yes |
| 10:35.41 | azeem | pvd2006: not the businesscard CD, but the netinst does, AFAIK |
| 10:35.50 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: Therefore, the "network mask", or "netmask" is 255.255.255.0 |
| 10:35.58 | pvd2006 | yeah im not using the business card one |
| 10:36.09 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, yes thats correct |
| 10:36.14 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: Now, all that's really saying is that the first 24 bits are the network portion. |
| 10:36.27 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: So it's often abreviated as 192.168.1.0/24 |
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| 10:36.48 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: In this case, if the first 24 bits are NOT the same, then a gateway must be used. |
| 10:37.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, and that would allow the whole 192.168.1.* right? |
| 10:37.08 | pvd2006 | azeem do you know which comamnd it uses like pppoeconf, pppoe-setup? |
| 10:37.11 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: Yes. |
| 10:37.21 | nuvem | I'm downloading it now .. |
| 10:38.11 | pzgz | DJ-Marcuzz: if you don't want to allow the whole IP range, you'd to fill some of the last 8 bits of the netmask |
| 10:38.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, but how would this translate? 192.168.1.100/24 |
| 10:38.28 | pumpkin_ | usb mouse under xorg 6.9.0: why does the mouse driver of xorg6.9.0 no longer accept the "usb" protocol ? ((EE) MSmouse: Unknown protocol "usb") |
| 10:38.30 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: btw, having a range of 100 to 200 is fairly typical of DHCP deployments, the other 53 ip's are used for manual static ip's, that don't use DHCP (Such as the DHCP servers themselves), and the remaining 2 have special uses. |
| 10:38.50 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: "This IP is 192.168.1.100, and the network portion is 192.168.1.0" |
| 10:39.11 | Arafangion | Sorry, remaining 153, not 53. |
| 10:40.09 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, well im entering it in the sane config file to allow computers to use the scanner |
| 10:40.37 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: Scanners are especially problematic to network. I highly recommend using a dedicated PC. |
| 10:40.42 | nuvem | in the mean time, what other arguments could I try before booting? |
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| 10:41.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, its an dedicated PII 333mhz for printer, scanner and irc proxy |
| 10:42.00 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: Setup the scanner for localhost use only, and give everyone an account. |
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| 10:42.51 | DJ-Marcuzz | no, that would be to much of an hassel, its now shared by SANE and windows client can connect so its ok |
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| 10:43.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | now i just need to share the printers and i think that must be done by samba |
| 10:43.23 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: In a business that'd never work :) |
| 10:43.38 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: CUPS and samba. |
| 10:43.59 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, why wouldn't it work? |
| 10:44.53 | liable | DJ-Marcuzz: google windows ipp |
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| 10:45.15 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: People continually leave the original in the scanner, people remove teh original before the scanner has a chance to operate (and then discover that it was indeed in use), etc. |
| 10:45.53 | DJ-Marcuzz | lol this aint a company its my home :P |
| 10:46.14 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: Home? What's that? |
| 10:46.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, the place you never are :P the place were your wife waits :P |
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| 10:47.38 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: Wife? |
| 10:47.52 | Spaniard87 | hello |
| 10:48.00 | netman1 | I've had it with every mail client I know of! #!$%@#!!! Who knows of a mail client (on debian of course ;-) that for a search on a mbox gives the same number of results as grep does? |
| 10:48.07 | Spaniard87 | holding the package isn't stopping it from being upgraded...? |
| 10:48.11 | Xteven | hello, is there a list of packages that will break when I disable executable stack (grsec) ? |
| 10:48.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | what was the web interface of samba called? |
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| 10:48.49 | liable | swat |
| 10:49.02 | Arafangion | netman1: None, afaik. None actually go through all the MIME-encoded attachments as well, which grep does. |
| 10:49.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | thx |
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| 10:50.06 | Usiu | Hi |
| 10:50.08 | Usiu | Is etch stable ?? |
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| 10:50.30 | liable | as in usable? |
| 10:50.35 | netman1 | Arafangion: then why are we putting up with the c**p we use? We miss information this way. Makes you wonder how much Google (which I adore) misses. |
| 10:50.39 | Usiu | whats the name of current stable >? |
| 10:50.47 | liable | Usiu: sarge |
| 10:50.50 | EdLin | !sarge |
| 10:50.50 | Usiu | thx |
| 10:50.50 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since slice cheese. |
| 10:50.53 | pzgz | Usiu: sarge |
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| 10:55.10 | fly_80 | hello |
| 10:55.21 | Usiu | Where I can find erland for sarge ? |
| 10:55.24 | Usiu | erlang |
| 10:55.45 | EdLin | Usiu: apt-get it |
| 10:55.52 | pumpkin_ | Usiu, as root: "apt-get install erland" |
| 10:56.04 | Usiu | pumpkin_, on sarge ? |
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| 10:56.20 | fly_80 | i'm trying to install drivers for my touchpad. I read that synaptics is a good choice. So i typed : apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics , but I get an error |
| 10:56.20 | Usiu | pzgz, You said stable is sarge right ? |
| 10:56.22 | EdLin | Usiu: apt-cache search erlang, to see if its there. It is in fact. |
| 10:56.35 | Usiu | EdLin, in stable there is no erlang :( |
| 10:57.00 | fly_80 | it says that it depends on xserver-xorg-core |
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| 10:57.23 | EdLin | Usiu: hmm, you're right... :-/ |
| 10:57.25 | Nicky | hi, how do i get write permission for ntfs disks ? |
| 10:57.44 | EdLin | Usiu: for some reason I thought it was. Maybe because its on the gnustep live cd |
| 10:57.46 | fly_80 | why apt doesn't install that package ? |
| 10:57.59 | Usiu | EdLin, How to install it on sarge ? |
| 10:58.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | is there an way to use samba without sharing the home dirs, and use no password becaus the printer should be acceseble for everybody |
| 10:58.03 | EdLin | Nicky: you can't |
| 10:58.06 | Usiu | EdLin, I need a mirror with it |
| 10:58.15 | Usiu | EdLin, cause I want to rebuild ejabberd for sarge |
| 10:58.23 | EdLin | Usiu: search for it on the apt-get.org website... |
| 10:58.34 | Nicky | definively no-way ? |
| 10:58.35 | EdLin | Usiu: that's a search engine for third party repositories |
| 10:58.43 | Usiu | EdLin, I know |
| 10:58.45 | EdLin | Nicky: no non-corrupting way |
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| 10:59.12 | Nicky | woz the corrupting way ? |
| 10:59.19 | Usiu | EdLin, nothing on apt-get.org |
| 10:59.24 | EdLin | Nicky: iyntays |
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| 10:59.37 | Pupeno_ | Hello. |
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| 10:59.43 | EdLin | Usiu: check to see if it's still on the GNUStep live CD. |
| 10:59.52 | Pupeno_ | How do I see the non-automatically installed packages with Aptitude ? |
| 11:00.00 | Spaniard87 | why does GDM stuff up as soon as i update libc6 |
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| 11:00.03 | Spaniard87 | im sick of this happening |
| 11:00.15 | Spaniard87 | i held the libc6 package but it refuses to comply |
| 11:00.18 | Spaniard87 | it stills update |
| 11:00.18 | Usiu | EdLin, ok I'll apt-get source erlang and I'll and to pbuilder my local pbuilder's repository :PP |
| 11:00.39 | Usiu | EdLin, or.. I'll just build it localy.. nevermind.. |
| 11:00.51 | pzgz | Nicky: there's a non-official driver, that i'm not able to make working, but you can't install it with apt-get or synaptics, try if you're lucky :P |
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| 11:01.07 | EdLin | Usiu: it's an interesting language, wonder why it's not in Debian. |
| 11:01.23 | Pupeno_ | Usiu: have you checked my repo ? there's more people interested in building current Erlang. |
| 11:01.27 | Usiu | EdLin, it is, but not in stable! |
| 11:01.44 | Usiu | Pupeno_, no what repo ? |
| 11:01.49 | pzgz | Nicky: sorry, you CAN install it with the tools explained above |
| 11:01.56 | EdLin | !tell Usiu about simple sid backport |
| 11:02.01 | Youp1 | EdLin: translate and then send it to the development team |
| 11:02.11 | Usiu | Pupeno_, It would be great if I could add it to pbuilder.. so I could build ejabberd by one setep.. |
| 11:02.20 | Pupeno_ | Usiu: http://packages.pupeno.com/ |
| 11:02.26 | EdLin | Youp1: I only am fluent in English. |
| 11:02.33 | Pupeno_ | Usiu: I also have ejabberd 1.0.0 packages (in production). |
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| 11:03.04 | Usiu | Pupeno_, but not on mirror ? |
| 11:03.06 | Pupeno_ | Usiu: neumann@hcoop.net (JID) is trying to build a team of Erlang packagers. |
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| 11:03.27 | Usiu | Pupeno_, I amonly interested in ejabberd :) |
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| 11:03.46 | Xteven | does debian have a policy regarding grsec ? |
| 11:04.19 | formorer | no |
| 11:04.20 | EdLin | Xteven: why would Debian have a policy about a kernel setting? Other than "if you break it you own both pieces" |
| 11:05.13 | Xteven | so the policy is: use a debian kernel or don't complain ? |
| 11:05.46 | EdLin | Xteven: probably. |
| 11:05.53 | Nicky | it's possible to synch the clock with ntp servers ? |
| 11:06.07 | Xteven | thats sad :/ |
| 11:06.16 | formorer | Nicky: of course |
| 11:06.24 | EdLin | Nicky: apt-get install ntp-simple ntpdate |
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| 11:06.48 | ramattack | hi everbody |
| 11:07.02 | ramattack | I wanted to ask you a question about apt repositories |
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| 11:07.22 | ramattack | if you're running a debian stable and you install an unstable package |
| 11:07.25 | ramattack | what happens? |
| 11:07.29 | EdLin | Xteven: I don't know of any distro that supports third party or unusual settings of kernels |
| 11:07.43 | EdLin | Xteven: much less one run by volunteers |
| 11:07.51 | Spaniard87 | does anyone have any ideas about the problem i am having? everytime mailscanner forces an upgrade of libc6 my display manager dies and get no symbol found errors. i try holding the package from being upgrade but it still upgrades |
| 11:08.02 | EdLin | !bobbitt |
| 11:08.02 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 11:08.05 | Nicky | EdLin debian complains about dependencies when issuing that cmd |
| 11:08.52 | EdLin | Nicky: what's the complaint? I have installed ntp-simple then ntpdate seperately, but at once it should work too. |
| 11:09.01 | EdLin | Nicky: are you running stable? |
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| 11:09.19 | Spaniard87 | but then why didn't it do it with sarge 3.1 r1? |
| 11:09.36 | pvd2006 | Alright I just lodaed up the minimal netcd that is 180megs and went to load a shell and couldnt find a tool to setup my pppoe adsl connection. |
| 11:10.02 | pvd2006 | I search in /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin |
| 11:10.12 | Nicky | yes |
| 11:10.19 | Usiu | Pupeno_, I dont have DD status... |
| 11:10.26 | EdLin | pvd2006: why aren't you using the Debian installer? This isn't gentoo you know. |
| 11:10.32 | Usiu | Pupeno_, but I build some unofficial packages.. |
| 11:10.45 | pvd2006 | Edlin, the debian installer didnt give me a choice to setup a pppoe adsl connection, or I didnt see it |
| 11:10.48 | Nicky | EdLin --> libc6: Depends: tzdata but it is not installable |
| 11:10.49 | Pupeno_ | Usiu: neither do I, neither does neumann, yet, teaming up to build only one set of unofficial packages is a good a idea. |
| 11:10.59 | Nicky | EdLin --> ibc6: Depends: tzdata but it is not installable |
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| 11:11.14 | pvd2006 | I went to manually configure network, but it asked me for an ip, but I am uuse PPPOE so there is no static IP |
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| 11:11.19 | EdLin | Nicky: you haven't answered my question, which is are you running stable? |
| 11:11.28 | Nicky | yes |
| 11:11.39 | Nicky | Debian Sarge 3.1 r2 |
| 11:11.42 | EdLin | Nicky: then it should Just Work. |
| 11:11.45 | Usiu | Pupeno_, I dont thing there is a need for team of maintainers :) Cause erlang is already in etch and sid.. so it the the matter of porting it to stable.. |
| 11:11.50 | EdLin | Nicky: I've installed it here. |
| 11:11.51 | Nicky | it doesn't |
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| 11:12.08 | EdLin | Nicky: are you using Debian's official repositories? |
| 11:12.13 | Nicky | thy command is right but debian complains about missing and conflicting deps |
| 11:12.15 | Pupeno_ | Usiu: but on etch and sid it is outdated. |
| 11:12.16 | Nicky | yes |
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| 11:12.24 | Nicky | official+backports |
| 11:12.33 | xirjs_ | what do i use to open an rar-archive .. ? |
| 11:12.41 | xirjs_ | unrar-free returns errors .. ;( |
| 11:12.43 | ekkikrist | xirjs_: rm |
| 11:12.47 | EdLin | Nicky: did you install backports according to the instructions? |
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| 11:12.52 | pvd2006 | I done understand how I can use the installer to setup a pppoe dsl connection it doesnt work through dhcp and I dont know how to do it with manually configure network because it ask for a ip which I dont have. |
| 11:12.52 | Nicky | yes |
| 11:12.55 | pvd2006 | dont* |
| 11:13.00 | xirjs_ | ekkikrist: anything more useful ... ? ;) |
| 11:13.02 | EdLin | Nicky: well, it works here(tm) |
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| 11:13.09 | Nicky | sigh |
| 11:13.19 | Nicky | how do i install tzdata ? |
| 11:13.22 | Usiu | Pupeno_, I did some gtkmm builds.. I mean I copied debian/ from old one to new sources and builded in chroot |
| 11:13.23 | ekkikrist | xirjs_: add non-free to your sources.list and use the unrar from there. |
| 11:13.25 | Nicky | (the main issue) |
| 11:13.31 | EdLin | Nicky: use reportbug and see if others have experienced errors and report the errors if not. |
| 11:13.32 | Nicky | (debian complains about) |
| 11:13.38 | Pupeno_ | Usiu: nevermind. |
| 11:13.40 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:13.41 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:13.42 | Usiu | Pupeno_, gtkmm is outdated as well.. |
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| 11:14.17 | ChrisBradley | http://memorialblessings.blogspot.com/ |
| 11:14.24 | Usiu | Pupeno_, btw it would be great if someone could upload it.. |
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| 11:15.24 | fly_80 | how can i install the synaptics driver for my touchpad ??? |
| 11:15.30 | Pupeno_ | Usiu: that will happen when there are current stable builds. |
| 11:15.34 | EdLin | !ops ChrisBradley is spamming the channel |
| 11:15.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin: edlin complains about: ChrisBradley is spamming the channel |
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| 11:16.19 | ekkikrist | xirjs_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=unrar&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=non-free |
| 11:16.23 | ChrisBradley | Its memorial Day. and I have Debian on my box. |
| 11:16.39 | ekkikrist | ChrisBradley: Spamming your blog url is still spam. |
| 11:16.53 | azeem | ChrisBradley: do you agree this was a very bad idea and not Debian related? |
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| 11:17.00 | EdLin | ChrisBradley: tomorrow is on memorial day, and you're spamming |
| 11:17.04 | ChrisBradley | Fine - Ban me if you don't like what it says |
| 11:17.08 | Usiu | Pupeno_, gtkmm 2.8.4 and glibmm 2.8.4 seems to be stable.. but in sid its outdated... |
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| 11:17.37 | Pupeno_ | Usiu: *nevermind*. |
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| 11:18.16 | Phated | !beer azeem |
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| 11:21.43 | pvd2006 | Hmm, I was looking through the debian installation documentation and dont see anything about setting up a pppoe-dsl connection with the 180meg minimal cd:-\. I guess there is no support for that yet? So I guess downloading the full dsic is my option? |
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| 11:21.48 | Gluc | hi all how I change my IP address ? |
| 11:21.56 | tarzeau | Gluc: using ifconfig |
| 11:22.02 | tarzeau | Gluc: but better in /etc/modules |
| 11:22.07 | tarzeau | err /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:22.11 | Spaniard87 | does anyone know how to hold libc6 from upgrade because i am using the normal methods and its not working |
| 11:22.19 | Gluc | tarzeau I want change my ip in Mirc |
| 11:22.22 | tarzeau | !hold |
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| 11:22.22 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 11:22.23 | justStormY | ifconfig eth0 Ip-adress (to change your ip adress on eth0) |
| 11:22.28 | tarzeau | Gluc: in windows? |
| 11:22.37 | Spaniard87 | i've tried that tarzeau |
| 11:22.38 | Gluc | yes |
| 11:22.39 | Spaniard87 | doesn't work |
| 11:22.42 | Spaniard87 | still upgrades |
| 11:22.46 | tarzeau | Gluc: you know this is #debian |
| 11:22.50 | Gluc | aham |
| 11:22.52 | Gluc | thaks |
| 11:22.54 | Gluc | :) |
| 11:22.54 | tarzeau | Gluc: no ##windows help here |
| 11:23.01 | Gluc | Ok thanks ;) |
| 11:23.17 | lewis | any idea on when "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" will start working for AMD64 architecture? |
| 11:24.35 | pvd2006 | so if someoene could just confirm this real quick. There is no way to setup a adsl-pppoe connection through the 180meg minminal installation disc. |
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| 11:28.13 | xirjs_ | ok, i got rar and unrar back ... sorry, but i realy think the policy of debian is totaly bullshit! |
| 11:28.24 | quitte_ | uhm did evolutions gpg support break in latest sid? i cant decrypt mails any more. in the command line it works just fine. |
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| 11:28.40 | Turbotijgertje | Does the install cd support wifi ? |
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| 11:29.32 | apt-abhi | Hello World !! |
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| 11:32.06 | Turbotijgertje | Does the install cd support wifi ? |
| 11:32.17 | cewe_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:39.50 | Mefu | Hi. Could you help me with sometning ?? I've installed Debian 3.1 on a 9.2GB ext3 partition, plus 1GB swap. When i try to boot it with GRUB i get something like this: "Filesystem unknown...... Error 17: Cannot mount partition". What does that mean ?? |
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| 11:40.18 | ericP | deos the latest linux-image-2.6-686 (2.6.16-12 according to apt) support software suspend (to disk)? |
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| 11:41.13 | ericP | i have been waiting for suspend to disk befire i switch to a debian stock kernel |
| 11:41.18 | senobuntu | hallo |
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| 11:43.27 | Nicky | how do i change username in irc (not nickname) ? |
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| 11:43.36 | senobuntu | je tu niekto slovak deutch ungarn polish rusich? |
| 11:43.42 | PlayBoy | ./nick fdsffdsgd |
| 11:43.52 | Nicky | not nickname |
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| 11:44.02 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
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| 11:44.13 | X600 | Nicky: What client? |
| 11:44.17 | tarzeau | senobuntu: english here |
| 11:44.19 | Nicky | ksirc |
| 11:44.24 | senobuntu | im slovak man |
| 11:44.28 | X600 | Oh. Isn't that the KDE one? |
| 11:44.30 | senobuntu | no ň |
| 11:44.32 | Nicky | yes |
| 11:44.43 | Mefu | and i'm polish :) |
| 11:44.43 | senobuntu | im ubuntu |
| 11:44.44 | tarzeau | !sk |
| 11:44.44 | dpkg | from memory, sk is Slovakia. |
| 11:44.52 | senobuntu | jes |
| 11:44.53 | tarzeau | !ubuntu2debian |
| 11:44.53 | dpkg | methinks ubuntu2debian is You will probably *not* end up with an acutal debian install, so you'll probably not get support in #debian#ubuntu, or not supported by #debian, you can contact tarzeau directly if you need support after running this script instead, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse /msg tarzeau help me on ubuntu2debian and gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 11:45.03 | DevilChaos | im doing something for the first time wow how about that in the hwole time ive used linux i havent tried to config a printer now i am any help would be nice please? |
| 11:45.08 | X600 | Umm, I don't even know if you can on that. |
| 11:45.15 | senobuntu | kde je tu slovenska chat |
| 11:46.02 | X600 | Oh, you can. It's in the config, under "Startup". |
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| 11:46.38 | Mefu | Could you help me with sometning ?? I've installed Debian 3.1 on a 9.2GB ext3 partition, plus 1GB swap. When i try to boot it with GRUB i get something like this: "Filesystem unknown...... Error 17: Cannot mount partition". What does that mean ?? |
| 11:46.54 | PlayBoy | !java code |
| 11:46.58 | senobuntu | im problem edge modem hellp |
| 11:47.00 | PlayBoy | :) |
| 11:47.10 | tarzeau | i've got a hard flickering (3 lines like in the screenshot) with this driver; bttv card=24 tuner=1 pll=1 radio=1 , http://www.linuks.mine.nu/flicker.png any tips ? |
| 11:47.13 | Youp1 | PlayBoy: java has been erased |
| 11:47.19 | Youp1 | use a more stable language |
| 11:47.51 | PlayBoy | :) |
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| 11:48.26 | Nicky | doesn't work |
| 11:48.29 | DevilChaos | need something called parport is this a module or a package? |
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| 11:48.39 | S0UL_0F_R00T | hi there for all, if anybody here have some experience with debian i thank's for an help ??? |
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| 11:49.30 | DevilChaos | !ask |
| 11:49.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:49.53 | Nicky | any clue k600 ? |
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| 11:51.03 | Youp1 | I have problem with "my bike"; I'm running Debian version sarge. when I try to do "sport" I get the following output "go back satana". I except it to do "sport is good, do it." |
| 11:51.42 | DevilChaos | WTF? |
| 11:51.49 | Usiu | Can sstmp use auth ? |
| 11:52.02 | Usiu | cause my mail gateway needs authentication |
| 11:52.30 | Youp1 | Usiu: auth use the port 113. |
| 11:52.31 | DevilChaos | isp mail?# |
| 11:52.40 | Youp1 | Check your firewall first |
| 11:52.51 | Mefu | When i try to boot with GRUB i get this: "Filesystem unknown...... Error 17: Cannot mount partition". Why can't i boot ?? |
| 11:52.54 | Usiu | Youp1, extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system |
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| 11:53.23 | Usiu | Youp1, Can I configure it to authenticate on my mail server ? |
| 11:53.36 | S0UL_0F_R00T | i have a problem with dhclient in some machines in the same network, one dhcpd server works fine but some only one client work's fine all other boxes only works with clients for dhcpd in win. anybody can tell me why ? |
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| 11:53.41 | Youp1 | You must allow incomming connexions on the port 113 |
| 11:53.53 | Youp1 | This is identd the problem I think |
| 11:53.54 | iKernel | http://pastebin.com/742649 <-- I'm in a bit of trouble with dependancy hell |
| 11:54.00 | Usiu | Youp1, I am on the SNAT |
| 11:54.14 | Usiu | Youp1, Relaying denied. Proper authentication required. |
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| 11:54.45 | Youp1 | ok, this is not identd the problem, but an authentification problem. I don't know how do your mail system works. |
| 11:54.54 | Youp1 | and I must go out |
| 11:54.57 | Youp1 | have a nice day |
| 11:55.02 | Usiu | lol |
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| 11:55.11 | Youp1 | :d |
| 11:55.13 | Usiu | thx bye |
| 11:55.18 | pvd2006_ | ok I think I might have figured the problem out with not being able to connect to the net on the debian installer. |
| 11:55.34 | S0UL_0F_R00T | i have a problem with dhclient in some machines in the same network, one dhcpd server works fine but some only one client work's fine all other boxes only works with clients for dhcpd in win. anybody can tell me why ? |
| 11:55.35 | pvd2006_ | I hooked up my hardware router to my pppoe dsl connection now dhcp should work? |
| 11:56.13 | Mefu | I've installed Debian 3.1 on a 9.2GB ext3 partition, plus 1GB swap. When i try to boot it with GRUB i get something like this: "Filesystem unknown...... Error 17: Cannot mount partition". What does that mean ?? |
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| 11:56.24 | kodek | Hi everyone :D |
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| 11:56.55 | kodek | So it's 4:57 AM. I'm at a LAN party where everyone already went to sleep. What should I do? |
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| 11:57.38 | S0UL_0F_R00T | [ Mefu] you need specify the root parm in the /boot/grub/menu.lst. |
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| 11:59.32 | datrus | hello. i'm trying to use Maildirs but my MAIL environment variable is always set to /var/mail/datrus altough i modified the /etc/login.defs file. Anyone knows how to modify MAIL properly? |
| 11:59.58 | iKernel | I've tried to resolve this by installing the version of libc6 that it needs, but: http://pastebin.com/742657 |
| 12:00.01 | S0UL_0F_R00T | excuse me for a repetition for my answer? but i have a problem with dhclient in some machines in the same network, one dhcpd server works fine but some only one client work's fine all other boxes only works with clients for dhcpd in win. anybody can tell me why ? |
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| 12:02.29 | S0UL_0F_R00T | i have a title bit questin please if anybody can help with dhclient with cannot work only in 2 boxes in the same network on other works's fine i thank's ??? |
| 12:02.55 | S0UL_0F_R00T | sorry for an poor english. :) |
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| 12:05.32 | Gnea | S0UL_0F_R00T: install dhcp3-server and set it to non-authorative (or disable dhcpd on the win box) |
| 12:05.54 | S0UL_0F_R00T | Gnea |
| 12:06.06 | kodek | Where can I find a chatroom where I can talk about off-topic stuff? |
| 12:06.10 | S0UL_0F_R00T | the dhcpd server is allright |
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| 12:06.20 | S0UL_0F_R00T | this works fine |
| 12:06.29 | paulliu | kodek: #flood ? |
| 12:06.33 | kodek | Hehe. |
| 12:06.35 | Gnea | kodek: #debian-offtopic |
| 12:06.44 | kodek | Gnea , thanks |
| 12:06.49 | S0UL_0F_R00T | but in 2 debian boxes not receiving an dhcpoffer... |
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| 12:07.04 | Gnea | S0UL_0F_R00T: you said you have 2 dhcp servers, right? |
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| 12:07.10 | S0UL_0F_R00T | no |
| 12:07.20 | S0UL_0F_R00T | only one for this subnet |
| 12:07.29 | Mefu | I've installed Debian 3.1 on a 9.2GB ext3 partition, plus 1GB swap all on one HDD. When i try to boot it with GRUB i get something like this: "Filesystem unknown...... Error 17: Cannot mount partition". What does that mean ?? |
| 12:07.50 | S0UL_0F_R00T | it's work's on one client idependent the os i booted. |
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| 12:08.25 | S0UL_0F_R00T | but in the others machines only work's the client with win ??? |
| 12:08.36 | S0UL_0F_R00T | Gnea :) |
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| 12:09.04 | Gnea | S0UL_0F_R00T: i don't understand what you're saying. what 'win' server? |
| 12:09.25 | S0UL_0F_R00T | i already made the kernel upgrase to 2.6.16.17 in sarge with succes recomend this kernel is great. |
| 12:09.26 | Sweet_kate | hello |
| 12:09.32 | S0UL_0F_R00T | no win server |
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| 12:09.40 | S0UL_0F_R00T | only clients |
| 12:09.47 | bootc-away | afternoon folks |
| 12:10.03 | S0UL_0F_R00T | Gnoa, the boxes have win and linux installed. |
| 12:10.11 | bootc-away | I'm planning on setting up a version of sarge based on uclibc instead of glibc |
| 12:10.23 | paulliu | S0UL_0F_R00T: Windows si OK but Linux is not OK??? |
| 12:10.31 | bootc-away | how does one go about rebuilding the base packages against uclibc in order to set up a buildd? |
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| 12:10.43 | Gnea | S0UL_0F_R00T: are they connected to the same physical interface? |
| 12:11.00 | S0UL_0F_R00T | yes |
| 12:11.16 | tarzeau | i wish debian had enblend and hugin already |
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| 12:11.39 | paulliu | S0UL_0F_R00T: Are you using dhcp-client or dhcp3-client? |
| 12:11.53 | Gnea | paulliu: he said dhclient |
| 12:12.02 | Gnea | S0UL_0F_R00T: try apt-get install pump |
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| 12:12.04 | tarzeau | Gnea: both have dhclient |
| 12:12.07 | S0UL_0F_R00T | i don know |
| 12:12.15 | S0UL_0F_R00T | ok |
| 12:12.32 | tarzeau | Gnea: dhcp3-client: /sbin/dhclient |
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| 12:13.20 | bootc | Mefu: sounds like you're trying to boot off the wrong partition |
| 12:13.25 | NoName | hi my lcd monitor is capable of 1280x1024@75hz why debian forces 60 hertz only ? |
| 12:14.14 | Gnea | NoName: what lcd monitor? |
| 12:14.15 | sambrista | hi! i've got an old laptop (PII @ 233Mhz, 96Mb RAM) running debian, and i would like to make it run faster. As X is the most consumming process, i'm looking for ways of optimizing it. Any ideas? |
| 12:14.26 | NoName | acer al1716 |
| 12:14.35 | Gnea | sambrista: depends on what WM X is using |
| 12:14.50 | Gnea | NoName: xfree86 or xorg? |
| 12:14.56 | NoName | xfree86 |
| 12:14.58 | sambrista | gnea: xorg |
| 12:15.32 | RalfG | Yassou / hi there, anybody around from Greece? |
| 12:15.44 | Gnea | sambrista: no, window manager |
| 12:15.47 | sambrista | gnea: is that what you mean? Although my video card is a neomagic , I use vesa driver because it runs faster |
| 12:16.19 | sambrista | Gnea: oh, well currently i'm using xfce, altough i tried fluxbox and icewm |
| 12:16.23 | ootput | any of you using sid + vlc? I'm trying to install vlc-plugin-alsa, but apparently it depends on a vlc version that isn't available |
| 12:16.37 | initech | sambrista: run an OS from 1997 on it, like slink :) |
| 12:16.42 | Gnea | sambrista: well fluxbox would be your best bet, it's an older system |
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| 12:16.59 | NoName | Gnea the main issue is that @60hz the screen "blinks" with many images; so i require 75hz |
| 12:17.03 | ootput | I haven't used vlc before, as I've been using mplayer.. but now that mplayer is acting up with a :version ALSA_0.9.0rc4 not defined in file libas |
| 12:17.07 | ootput | ound.so.2 with link time reference |
| 12:18.32 | Gnea | NoName: what settings are set for it in xorg.conf? |
| 12:19.25 | NoName | i'm using xfree not xorg |
| 12:19.34 | Gnea | oh, oops |
| 12:19.37 | Gnea | so yeah |
| 12:19.45 | Gnea | NoName: what settings are set for it in XF86Config-4? |
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| 12:20.03 | S0UL_0F_R00T | Gnea the box is instaling dhcp3-common and dhcpd3-client. :) |
| 12:20.08 | NoName | sets u mean ranges for refresh ? |
| 12:20.20 | EdLin | !uu |
| 12:20.20 | dpkg | hmm... uu is u is easier to type than you |
| 12:20.22 | Gnea | S0UL_0F_R00T: so you didn't install pump? |
| 12:20.22 | EdLin | !u |
| 12:20.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:20.30 | Gnea | NoName: yeah, horiz and vert |
| 12:20.33 | EdLin | oops :-) |
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| 12:20.49 | Mefu | Could someone explain me what to do when i get a grub error 17 ?? |
| 12:21.02 | Gnea | Mefu: pinfo grub |
| 12:21.07 | Gnea | Mefu: apt-get install pinfo |
| 12:21.09 | NoName | 30-50 for horiz 45-75 for vert |
| 12:21.42 | Gnea | NoName: try 30-83 for horiz and 55-75 for vert |
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| 12:21.54 | Gnea | NoName: is dpms enabled? |
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| 12:22.08 | NoName | not sure, how do i check ? |
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| 12:23.03 | Gnea | look at the config file for: Option "dpms" |
| 12:23.15 | Gnea | should be right under VertRefresh |
| 12:23.26 | Gnea | if it's not enabled, you need to enable it |
| 12:23.52 | NoName | it's enabled |
| 12:24.04 | Gnea | ok, save the settings and restart it |
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| 12:25.30 | Mefu | Gnea what do you mean "pinfo" ?? |
| 12:25.40 | Gnea | Mefu: it's a command |
| 12:25.42 | dings | What tool can I use to rip a pdf apart? |
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| 12:25.59 | Gnea | dings: a printer/scanner |
| 12:26.13 | Gnea | dings: or, actually, xpdf will do it |
| 12:26.22 | Gnea | dings: just tell it to print to a file and what pages you want it to print |
| 12:26.59 | Gnea | dings: gimp to save screenshots to png format then open and edit in openoffice |
| 12:27.04 | cahoot | dings: pdftk if you want to cut it up in smaller files |
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| 12:27.09 | bootc | anyone know how to bootstrap a fresh debian arch? |
| 12:27.10 | Gnea | many possbilities |
| 12:27.11 | dings | Gnea: acctually I want some of the graphics, and they don't apear after pdftohtml og in selection tools in acroread f.i. |
| 12:27.12 | Mefu | Gnea what evet it'll do i'll try it :/ |
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| 12:27.34 | Gnea | Mefu: like i said: apt-get install pinfo |
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| 12:28.23 | Mefu | but where to write it ?? i can't even boot the kernel :/ |
| 12:28.35 | Gnea | ok.... |
| 12:28.36 | Mefu | where is the console :/ |
| 12:28.42 | Gnea | 17 : Cannot mount selected partition |
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| 12:29.01 | Mefu | yeah thats what i got :/ |
| 12:29.04 | Gnea | This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB. |
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| 12:29.15 | Gnea | that is what 'error 17' means |
| 12:29.22 | msoos | Hi! Testing is (again) broken: |
| 12:29.23 | msoos | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 12:29.23 | msoos | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.39 | Gnea | Mefu: it means that the partition is there, it's just not formatted or installed |
| 12:29.44 | dings | Gnea: what will xpdf do? |
| 12:29.50 | Mefu | oooohh ! now i get it :) |
| 12:29.53 | Gnea | dings: what you tell it to do. |
| 12:29.57 | msoos | Debian testing has been broken soooo many times for the past months! What is going on? |
| 12:29.59 | Mefu | but i did format it :/ |
| 12:30.14 | initech | msoos: uh, it's testing? |
| 12:30.18 | Gnea | msoos: it's called 'testing' for a reason. it's not stable. |
| 12:30.20 | tarzeau | msoos: just use sid? |
| 12:30.22 | msoos | testing, yes |
| 12:30.22 | EdLin | msoos: people running testing when they really want stable with backports |
| 12:30.29 | tarzeau | EdLin: or sid |
| 12:30.39 | tarzeau | EdLin: people wanting not nostalgic software want sid |
| 12:30.51 | tarzeau | EdLin: and not run apt-get upgrade daily |
| 12:31.01 | EdLin | tarzeau: if he can't handle testing's bugs I expect he'd like sid even less. |
| 12:31.06 | msoos | sid is strange. It used to be broken, too, but now it only wants to remove everything starting with K if I issue the command "apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev" - strange |
| 12:31.13 | EdLin | tarzeau: btw, is gnustep working in sid now? |
| 12:31.28 | initech | did gnustep eveer work? |
| 12:31.28 | Gnea | msoos: obviously, you don't understand how debian development works |
| 12:31.30 | msoos | Gnea, it USED to be stabe! |
| 12:31.45 | Gnea | msoos: no, only stable is truely stable |
| 12:31.56 | S0UL_0F_R00T | Gnea the problem persists ??? |
| 12:31.58 | Gnea | you can get lucky once in awhile, but that's what you get for running it |
| 12:32.04 | msoos | Gnea, for the past 2-3 years it was far more stable then nowadays. What changed? |
| 12:32.04 | Gnea | S0UL_0F_R00T: it does? |
| 12:32.19 | Gnea | msoos: it's going to be frozen soon |
| 12:32.27 | msoos | Gnea, I have had *multiple* broken packages for the past several months |
| 12:32.29 | Gnea | very rough ride, hang on tight. |
| 12:32.39 | initech | msoos: well, use stable then |
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| 12:32.42 | Gnea | msoos: yes, that's nothing new |
| 12:32.46 | S0UL_0F_R00T | eh installation of dhcp3-client made with succes |
| 12:32.48 | Gnea | msoos: that's just how it works |
| 12:32.58 | cached | is the debian install a pain? |
| 12:33.00 | iKernel | im screwed |
| 12:33.01 | S0UL_0F_R00T | no |
| 12:33.15 | msoos | libkde-dev bas broken for a long time, then libgtk-dev is broken now, and it all amounts to a lot of frustration. All I am saying is that it used to be *far more* stable, that's all |
| 12:33.20 | Gnea | msoos: you're complaining about something you knew very little about. no one is going to pay attention becuase you're not addressing any real issues. |
| 12:33.31 | Gnea | msoos: are you familiar with the debian bug reporting system? |
| 12:34.09 | msoos | Gnea, well, I tried to install unstable last time, and it was the first *ever* that I couldn't install Debian on a machine: xorg-xserver was totally broken, my friend had a good laught at me |
| 12:34.10 | initech | cached: depends on your comfort level. the more you do it, the less pain it is. the expert install can be a little confusing at first when setting up raid / lvm |
| 12:34.21 | msoos | Gnea, I am |
| 12:34.29 | Gnea | msoos: a well-deserved laugh, at that |
| 12:34.32 | msoos | And probably this bug is already in |
| 12:34.39 | Gnea | !bts |
| 12:34.39 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 12:34.42 | msoos | but it just feels far more unstable |
| 12:34.47 | Gnea | msoos: then you should check it out and see where it's at |
| 12:34.50 | msoos | I KNOW bts! |
| 12:35.00 | Gnea | nah, unstable is far, far more rocky than testing |
| 12:35.08 | Gnea | i know, i run it on a daily basis :) |
| 12:35.15 | cahoot | msoos: what's your point? |
| 12:35.22 | Gnea | shit happens, things break, bug reports get written, people fix things, next! |
| 12:35.35 | msoos | Gnea, given, it is more unstable, that's why its called unstable. But it used to be far more stable, that's ALL I am saying |
| 12:35.39 | Gnea | again, that's just the way it is. complaining won't fix it. |
| 12:35.53 | Gnea | msoos: it goes through phases like that, sure |
| 12:36.05 | cached | what can i find in debian that i cant find in ubuntu or fedora |
| 12:36.11 | Gnea | msoos: it doesn't mean that it's going to stay that way, that's not how it's designed to be |
| 12:36.13 | msoos | Well, it's frustrating, that's all |
| 12:36.20 | Gnea | then don't use it |
| 12:36.33 | msoos | cached, please do not start a distro war. THX |
| 12:36.44 | Gnea | msoos: use stable (sarge) with backports |
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| 12:37.06 | linus__^ | i've overwrited slackware's kernel 2.6.16 in the debian, and copied /lib/modules from slack to debian: now debian boots 10 times more speedy than first:) |
| 12:37.39 | msoos | Gnea, yeah. I used stable, but I got really frustrated of being 1 year behind. Stable is GREAT for servers and company-installations. Not for the power user. |
| 12:37.47 | NoName | the gray'n dots background that appears before login can be changed ? |
| 12:37.54 | initech | msoos: works fine for me |
| 12:37.58 | Gnea | msoos: then don't complain, maintain! :) |
| 12:38.17 | initech | msoos: do power users have time to be constantly fixing their computer? |
| 12:38.54 | iKernel | I need serious help guys, look at these two pastebins: http://pastebin.com/742649 http://pastebin.com/742657 How do I fix that broken pipe? |
| 12:38.54 | cahoot | initech: and hang out on irc? |
| 12:39.00 | msoos | initech, tell me, how do you write a DVD then? Because it simply wouldn't write any proper DVD for me: something was broken in growisofs |
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| 12:39.36 | msoos | initech, testing used to be stable enough to need no/very small amount of fixing |
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| 12:39.58 | dvs | msoos: it still is. |
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| 12:41.04 | msoos | dvs: for the past 2 weeks, I had problems with installing kde-libs-dev and now libgtk-dev and both of these had multiple broken dependencies. |
| 12:41.22 | cached | jigdo seems broken :( |
| 12:41.23 | msoos | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.23 | msoos | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.23 | msoos | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.28 | dvs | msoos: oh, ok. I don't use those packages |
| 12:41.39 | msoos | dvs, well, I want to develop Thunderbird |
| 12:41.55 | msoos | And I simply NEED those packages |
| 12:42.08 | dvs | msoos: Actually, if they depend on other packages, how can they move into testing on their own? |
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| 12:42.31 | paulliu | msoos: But I'm using etch, I don't have that problem? |
| 12:42.47 | msoos | paulliu, well, tell me your line in apt.sources then! |
| 12:42.53 | iKernel | never mind! :) |
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| 12:43.17 | msoos | paulliu, mine is this one and only line: "deb ftp://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" |
| 12:43.21 | Gnea | msoos: it's not a problem with growisofs, it's a problem with the way your kernel is interfacing the device |
| 12:43.43 | paulliu | msoos: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 12:43.46 | msoos | Gnea, wrong. I installed a new kernel, didn't help |
| 12:43.48 | kibl | Hello, |
| 12:43.53 | paulliu | msoos: Sorry, I don't use contrib and non-free.. |
| 12:43.57 | Gnea | msoos: what kernel is that? |
| 12:43.59 | kibl | Is there a good resource for learning how to configure networking in debian? |
| 12:44.08 | Gnea | !interfaces |
| 12:44.08 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 12:44.19 | msoos | 2.6.16.9 |
| 12:44.30 | Gnea | msoos: and what is the device name for your writer? |
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| 12:44.51 | msoos | Gnea, It works now, with testing |
| 12:44.54 | kibl | After installing udev, my loopback device has disappeared. |
| 12:45.14 | Gnea | msoos: 'It works now, with testing' is not the devicename |
| 12:45.28 | kibl | ifconfig shows: eth0, eth1, eth2_temp, sit0 - but I only have two network devices in reality |
| 12:45.29 | msoos | Gnea, I am now on a different computer, I can't tell you, sorry |
| 12:45.40 | Gnea | msoos: guess. |
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| 12:46.13 | Gnea | msoos: rather, is it the only device in the system to put a cd/dvd into? |
| 12:46.21 | msoos | yes |
| 12:46.28 | kibl | Is there something I can read to learn how to configure networking in a udev system? |
| 12:46.31 | Gnea | and what ide channel does it reside on? |
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| 12:47.02 | S0UL_0F_R00T | Gnea sorry fo abuse of your time but the error persists ??? |
| 12:47.14 | Gnea | S0UL_0F_R00T: i don't know. |
| 12:47.16 | msoos | look. It started writing the damned thing. It wrote the beginning (the start-signal or whatever, to help readers sync) and then growisofs started using 100% and that was that |
| 12:47.31 | S0UL_0F_R00T | ok |
| 12:47.45 | S0UL_0F_R00T | thanks. |
| 12:48.00 | Gnea | msoos: *sigh* what arguments did you pass to your kernel at boottime? |
| 12:48.14 | NoName | the gray'n dots background that appears before login can be changed ? |
| 12:48.36 | Gnea | NoName: yes. |
| 12:48.44 | NoName | Gnea how ? |
| 12:48.49 | msoos | everything showed up in kernel and /dev and everywhere. The bug was in growisofs, because I actually googled for it (I DO NOT only complain, I sometimes actually help others fix, too: you seem to handle me like a newbie, which I am not. I have been using Linux as my main OS 7 years ago(!)) |
| 12:48.55 | Gnea | NoName: with a display manager (like xdm, kdm, gdm) |
| 12:48.59 | Gnea | or entrance |
| 12:49.29 | Gnea | msoos: if you're not a newbie, then you can answer a simple question rather than overreacting. |
| 12:49.32 | NoName | i got kdm... but i see no option to change the gray background BEFORE the login |
| 12:49.54 | S0UL_0F_R00T | Gnea have a diference betwen the form of interface identifies youslelf to OS in the machina has already work's fine... |
| 12:50.00 | Gnea | NoName: i'm not sure the procedure for kdm, but gdm makes it very simple with gdm-themes |
| 12:50.16 | msoos | Gnea, look, I used the default parameters as grub was installed from package, and the kernel was installed from package, too |
| 12:50.28 | msoos | I did not tweak any parameters |
| 12:50.32 | msoos | it did not work |
| 12:50.46 | Gnea | msoos: then that is why your writer does not work, it is NOT a bug with growisofs. |
| 12:51.04 | msoos | I am not a computer to memorise the exact paramters, sorry |
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| 12:51.12 | Gnea | msoos: you need to specify hda=ide-cd or something like that |
| 12:51.22 | Gnea | msoos: that's what howtos and docs are for. |
| 12:51.28 | msoos | Gnea, as I said, the writer was recognised successfully |
| 12:51.46 | msoos | it was not a problem of the kernel |
| 12:51.49 | Gnea | msoos: just because the kernel *sees* it doesn't mean that it's setup properly, observe..... |
| 12:51.53 | msoos | it was a bug in growisofs |
| 12:51.56 | iKernel | How do I update every package that is updateable on the system? |
| 12:52.10 | msoos | When I ran growisofs manually, it actually gave me the error |
| 12:52.10 | Gnea | msoos: i will bet you hard cash that you don't know what you're talking about. |
| 12:52.44 | dvs | iKernel: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 12:52.47 | bootc | iKernel: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:52.57 | msoos | and I had to remove a file here, a file there, and then it would work without any problem. Some DVDs would be written, some contained filenames growisofs would not digest |
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| 12:53.12 | dvs | iKernel: Why are you asking? |
| 12:53.29 | msoos | Gnea, I bet you hard cash, that you art being ignorant |
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| 12:53.58 | msoos | EVEN if I do not know fully what I am talking about |
| 12:54.29 | Gnea | msoos: no, i'm not. i asked you questions and you failed to answer them, assuming that you already knew the answer without providing proof. |
| 12:54.31 | Mefu | any way to get rid of that errer17 in GRUB ?? |
| 12:55.14 | Gnea | msoos: and instead of just answering the questions, you've gone off on this stupid rant that has not solved a single one of your problems. |
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| 12:56.10 | kibl | Can someone spot the problem with my ifconfig: http://www.ryanheise.com/ifconfig.txt |
| 12:56.14 | Gnea | msoos: i have been quite patient and willing to help, yet you cast it away. |
| 12:56.14 | msoos | I acutally solved the growisof problem. As for the broken packages, I can not solve that. I am already doing too many things to get involved in package maintenance |
| 12:56.21 | fly_80 | i need help ! i tried to install the synaptics driver for the touchpad....but apt doesn't want :) |
| 12:56.30 | nicoco | hi ! since this morning, my gnome mixer applet works only if i double click on it and GAIM crashes everytime it has to play a sound. i use debian sid & alsa |
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| 12:56.53 | Gnea | msoos: that's all you had to say, instead of doing what you just did. next time you need real help, ask a real question. |
| 12:57.09 | cached | debian doesnt need great system specs. right? |
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| 12:57.25 | Gnea | what a waste of time, i'm outta here. |
| 12:57.29 | cached | as in, it can run on a 500mhz celeron with 128mb ram... correct? |
| 12:57.41 | dvs | cached: Huh? What do you mean? the system doesn't have to be powerful? |
| 12:57.52 | cached | dvs: yeah |
| 12:57.53 | kibl | my ifconfig shows no loopback device - does someone know how to fix this?? |
| 12:57.57 | dvs | cached: Oh. that'll work. |
| 12:57.59 | nicoco | is it normal to have both gstreamer0.8 and gstreamer0.10 installed ? |
| 12:58.02 | cached | dvs: (= |
| 12:58.05 | msoos | nicoco, what do you mean? What touchpad? Laptop? What kernel are you using? What distro? (testing/stable/etc?) |
| 12:58.10 | dvs | cached: how much drive space |
| 12:58.26 | cached | 8.5GB |
| 12:58.33 | dvs | that's ok |
| 12:58.37 | msoos | sorry Gnea I did not want to trouble you, really |
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| 12:59.12 | msoos | dvs, It depends on what you want to install. You need X? You need development packages? What do you want to use the computer for? |
| 12:59.14 | danpolt | cached: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
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| 12:59.33 | dvs | msoos: I don't need anything. it's cached |
| 12:59.36 | nicoco | msoos : i use sid and a i810 sound chip but the fact is everything was working fine till today. the strangest thing is that i can change the volume by double clicking on the mixer icon but not with the applet |
| 12:59.56 | cached | msoos: x is probably what i want |
| 13:00.03 | Mefu | How to solve a problem with an error 17 in grub ?? I have on one HDD 9,2GB-ext3 + 1GB-swap, ad GRUB cant boot Debian :/ |
| 13:00.07 | cached | msoos: unless kde manages to run |
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| 13:00.29 | msoos | cached, you don't need 8.5 Gig for that. 2-3 gigs should do |
| 13:00.46 | cached | msoos: (= |
| 13:01.09 | msoos | I usually gicve 5 for / and it usually is enough. Of course you need /home/whatever_your_name space too |
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| 13:01.20 | Wizzzzzzzo | hey all i am new to Debian when i did my install i set mail up wrong i cant all i want to do is sendmail me@home.com < /var/log/auth.log |
| 13:01.27 | Nicky | how do i know thwe temperature of my system on debian ? |
| 13:01.39 | Wizzzzzzzo | any suggestions on where to fix that other than reformating |
| 13:01.43 | msoos | Mefu, please look up what "error 17" means in grub |
| 13:02.05 | Mefu | "Cannot mount partition" :/ |
| 13:02.08 | msoos | nicoco, something went silly with the applet. Restart it |
| 13:02.25 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: Isn't sendmail overkill if you don't intend to send mail to other computers? |
| 13:02.33 | nicoco | msoos : ive already tried... |
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| 13:02.56 | nicoco | and gaim crashes when it has to play a sound... |
| 13:03.09 | Wizzzzzzzo | dvs all i want to do is setup cronjob to email me authlog every morning |
| 13:03.35 | kibl | Nicky: Do you use acpi? |
| 13:04.08 | Wizzzzzzzo | dvs no smtp server or postfix courier imap jest send out system email |
| 13:04.14 | kane777 | hi... Can anyone help me?? I'm having ptoblems setting up tun/tap device... I downloaded tun-source and vtun but none of them installs correctly... |
| 13:04.37 | Shadowcat | just great |
| 13:04.42 | Shadowcat | the new alsa upgrade killed arts |
| 13:05.01 | iKernel | Shadowcat, so what? |
| 13:05.08 | fly_80 | apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 13:05.12 | fly_80 | is it right ? |
| 13:05.22 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: you need something like postfix to deliver mail locally |
| 13:05.31 | Shadowcat | iKernel: so I've been trying to fix this problem for the past three hours |
| 13:05.37 | fly_80 | i can't install that package !!! |
| 13:05.44 | dvs | Shadowcat: Hey! I saw you on the big screen last night and you kicked ass! ;-) |
| 13:06.23 | cahoot | isn't killing arts a welcome eutanasia? |
| 13:06.29 | Wizzzzzzzo | dvs you mean it doenst have a raw email package like dbd with sendmail built in ? |
| 13:06.51 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: It had to be in a package of some sort. |
| 13:06.52 | kane777 | mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 gived error... Permission denied... |
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| 13:07.03 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: I think exim is the default one |
| 13:07.05 | iKernel | Shadowcat, I don't like arts anyway |
| 13:07.10 | kibl | After installing udev, I have no loopback device - how can I fix this? |
| 13:07.16 | Shadowcat | arts is required for KDE |
| 13:07.17 | Wizzzzzzzo | ok so exim is no configured correctly |
| 13:07.19 | kibl | Can someone suggest some reading material for udev with networking? |
| 13:07.37 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: is it even installed? |
| 13:08.02 | Wizzzzzzzo | dvs it should be |
| 13:08.11 | Wizzzzzzzo | it asked at the very start of install |
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| 13:08.18 | Wizzzzzzzo | but i left it as local hot |
| 13:08.22 | Nicky | why i got libc6: Depends: tzdata but it is not installable |
| 13:08.22 | Nicky | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.22 | Nicky | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.23 | Nicky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:08.27 | Wizzzzzzzo | local host |
| 13:09.02 | Mefu | How to solve a problem with an "error 17 cannot mount partition" in grub ?? I have on one HDD 9,2GB-ext3 + 1GB-swap, ad GRUB cant boot Debian :/ |
| 13:09.11 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: Have you tried to send yourself mail (ie. mail $USER) |
| 13:09.17 | kane777 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:09.41 | Wizzzzzzzo | hmmm |
| 13:09.45 | Wizzzzzzzo | not like that nope |
| 13:09.50 | Wizzzzzzzo | 1 sec |
| 13:09.58 | zu22 | morning, after a recent upgrade of my Debian testing i now have problems connecting to websites like google and gmail, if i click reload it is successful after 15 or so attempts and my /var/log/syslog says " ICMP message type destination unreachable - bad port from 127.0.0.1", anyone know what is going on and how to fix this? |
| 13:10.44 | Bombo | hi, i'm using OOo on debian/sarge and win32, i wrote somethng in the font "Avant Garde Gothic" on debian and it looks different on win, probably because the font isn t there. where can i find the font file on sarge so that i can put it on the win machine? |
| 13:10.44 | Nicky | libc6: Depends: tzdata but it is not installable |
| 13:10.44 | Nicky | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.45 | Nicky | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.45 | Nicky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.05 | EdLin | !sing sunday |
| 13:11.05 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 13:11.12 | dvs | where's liable? |
| 13:11.17 | Wizzzzzzzo | dvs R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 13:11.42 | zu22 | any ideas? |
| 13:11.58 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: But that's not remote! It's local! Hmmm..... |
| 13:12.54 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
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| 13:13.03 | Wizzzzzzzo | ok |
| 13:13.03 | Wizzzzzzzo | 1 sec |
| 13:13.41 | Bombo | is the font "Avant Garde Gothic" part of ooo? i can use it on ooo 2.0/linux buit not on ooo 2.0/win32 |
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| 13:14.55 | Nicky | error: libc6: Depends: tzdata but it is not installable - how to fix ? |
| 13:15.04 | Wizzzzzzzo | dvs i have root set to sent email to my isp mail account |
| 13:15.09 | Wizzzzzzzo | so its never local |
| 13:15.13 | dvs | Duh! |
| 13:15.21 | dvs | I mean Doh! |
| 13:15.30 | iKernel | Nicky, You're tying to install the unstable version of libc6, the 2.3.6 or 2.3.5 one. Don't do that |
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| 13:15.41 | S0UL_0F_R00T | [Gnea] do you know what iptables rules i have to do dhcpd server to work's curretly ??? |
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| 13:15.54 | Wizzzzzzzo | dvs na you were right the first time |
| 13:16.04 | dvs | heh |
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| 13:16.52 | hjubal | hi |
| 13:17.00 | Nicky | o-o-ops it's almost installed and hence dont' let me install any orther package causing the previous error |
| 13:17.10 | Wizzzzzzzo | dvs how do i run the setup that was run during the install |
| 13:17.22 | kibl | My loopback device has disappeared (after installing udev). How can I get it back? |
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| 13:17.31 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: What? The entire install? |
| 13:17.36 | S0UL_0F_R00T | somebody know what iptables rules i have to do dhcpd server to work's curretly ??? |
| 13:17.53 | Wizzzzzzzo | well just the mail part |
| 13:18.03 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: that was it. |
| 13:18.03 | adelton | #debian/mg |
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| 13:18.17 | Wizzzzzzzo | dvs nothing poped up |
| 13:18.43 | Nicky | iKernel, there's a fix ? |
| 13:18.44 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: Then I guess you don't have exim4 installed. |
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| 13:19.25 | Wizzzzzzzo | dvs exim4 is already the newest version. |
| 13:19.25 | Wizzzzzzzo | 0 |
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| 13:19.59 | kane777 | why do i get /bin/mknod: `/dev/net/tun': Operation not permitted error message when trying to install openvpn??? |
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| 13:21.32 | msoos | Wizzzzzzzo, "dpkg-reconfigure exim4" |
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| 13:21.40 | msoos | and read the dpkg-reconfigure manual |
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| 13:21.49 | dvs | kane777: it looks like it's trying to create a device entry in /dev |
| 13:22.08 | Wizzzzzzzo | msoos Sensors:~# dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 13:22.09 | Wizzzzzzzo | Sensors:~# |
| 13:22.10 | dvs | msoos: I already told him that |
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| 13:22.30 | kane777 | dvs, yes... well i think it should... |
| 13:22.31 | kibl | Can someone point me at documentation relating to the topic "My loopback device has disappeared!"? |
| 13:22.34 | msoos | well, and what is wrong with that? |
| 13:22.37 | msoos | it should work! |
| 13:22.53 | dvs | kane777: Are you root when you install it? |
| 13:22.57 | kane777 | dvs, but why permission denied... (I'm logged as root) |
| 13:23.10 | msoos | kibl, yes. Google search for the string: "debian loopback udev" |
| 13:23.27 | dvs | kane777: if you're root then I have no clue why it wouldn't work. |
| 13:23.44 | kane777 | dvs, well it's a free virtual server... do you think the provider could have blocked it somehow?? |
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| 13:23.48 | Nicky | error: Conflicts: initrd-tools (< 0.1.84.1) but 0.1.81.1 is to be installed - fix ? |
| 13:23.48 | msoos | kane777, please do "kdesu THE_PROGRAM" or do "su" and then the program. |
| 13:24.15 | Mefu | Could some one explain to me step by step what should i do if i get an error 17 in grub ?? (Filesystem unknown...... Cannot mount partition) |
| 13:24.53 | kane777 | msoos, I'm a root... |
| 13:25.25 | msoos | are you sure |
| 13:25.27 | msoos | ? |
| 13:25.32 | msoos | type "whoami" |
| 13:26.02 | msoos | in the command prompt before you type the command to execute the openvpn |
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| 13:26.18 | msoos | (and do not execute openvpn from KDE menu or any place like that) |
| 13:26.41 | kane777 | msoos, yes.. I am... the only thing is that it's a free virtual server (I'm logged through ssh) do you think it's possible to block me from creating new devices?? |
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| 13:27.12 | marco13185 | For some reason alsa keeps letting the front and rear channels lose sync, and thus my music sounds retarded, is there any way to fix this? |
| 13:27.43 | msoos | kane777, well, I don't know. I don't think so |
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| 13:28.36 | msoos | kane777, is it through vmware or is it through vserver? Because in wmvare they certainly can not restrict you . In vserver they can |
| 13:28.47 | cached | why wont the compy recognize the debian cd as bootable |
| 13:28.50 | msoos | In Xen they can, too |
| 13:29.04 | kane777 | msoos, how can i find out? |
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| 13:29.10 | msoos | dunno :D |
| 13:29.29 | msoos | ask them! |
| 13:29.43 | msoos | or go the portal of the service and read the docs |
| 13:29.46 | Ronin | cached: because its not? machines too old, you didnt set it to be in the bios, ummmm lets see |
| 13:29.51 | msoos | (i.e. what they are offering) |
| 13:30.09 | cached | ronin: it detects just about every other os that i tried |
| 13:30.15 | kibl | msoos: I'm afraid not much turned up in google "debian loopback udev", except for "http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2006/05/msg00000.html". Should I follow that advice? |
| 13:31.07 | kibl | msoos: my ifconfig output looks like this: http://www.ryanheise.com/ifconfig.txt |
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| 13:31.51 | kane777 | msoos, it works for creating mknod /dev/net/tun p (instead of c 10 200)... which creates FIFO |
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| 13:32.16 | msoos | kibl, well, follow the advice, but instead move the file someplace, and reboot. If it does not help, then just move it back and reboot |
| 13:32.17 | kane777 | msoos, but every other parameter gives permission denied... |
| 13:32.22 | msoos | there is no risk whatsoever |
| 13:32.42 | Wizzzzzzzo | well i guess time to reformat |
| 13:32.48 | Wizzzzzzzo | fresh install |
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| 13:33.00 | msoos | kane777, yeah, it might well be virtual-server related |
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| 13:33.21 | msoos | in vserver extension of the kernel they can restrict you from doing that sort of thing |
| 13:33.30 | msoos | (for a good reason, too) |
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| 13:33.54 | Mefu | Could some one explain to me step by step what should i do if i get an error 17 in grub ?? (Filesystem unknown...... Cannot mount partition) |
| 13:33.58 | cahoot | marco13185: might find some help here: http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 13:34.22 | kane777 | msoos, even when I try to run cfdisk it writes FATAL ERROR cannot open disk drive... |
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| 13:34.53 | Zweideutig | kane777: Do you have a hard disk drive installed? |
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| 13:36.29 | kane777 | msoos, so how can I use this server to connect to my home PC which is behind transparent proxy and doesnt have public IP?? i've heared that ssh -L would help but I can't figgure out how... I was thinking of some VPN software but I cannot install tun/tap... |
| 13:36.58 | iKernel | What's the command to delete all symlinks in a directory? |
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| 13:37.32 | kane777 | Zweideutig, well it's virtual server... df tells me about some dev/hdv1 |
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| 13:38.04 | Zweideutig | Is there a German Debian install? |
| 13:38.15 | Mefu | Could some one explain to me step by step what should i do if i get an error 17 in grub ?? (Filesystem unknown...... Cannot mount partition) |
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| 13:39.14 | dvs | Zweideutig: One fits all |
| 13:39.30 | Zweideutig | dvs: No it doesn't. |
| 13:39.40 | Zweideutig | What if I don't know English well enough? |
| 13:39.59 | dvs | Zweideutig: What? It asks what language you want to use? |
| 13:40.00 | iKernel | Zweideutig, you seem to |
| 13:40.00 | Phated | Eh, you can choose language at the beginning, no? |
| 13:40.06 | Nicky | woz the command to delete files via terminal ? |
| 13:40.14 | Phated | rm. |
| 13:40.18 | dvs | Phated: Nyet. ;-) |
| 13:40.23 | Phated | dvs: bah. |
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| 13:40.36 | Zweideutig | What about the binaries? |
| 13:40.58 | Wizzzzzzzo | dvs it has something to do with my host it comes up as root@localhost.localhost where do i fix this or reconfigure |
| 13:41.13 | Zweideutig | Binaries and documentation will be in English still, even if I choose German. |
| 13:41.32 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: Edit /etc/hosts |
| 13:41.33 | Bombo | where in debian fs is the font "Avant Garde Gothic" ? i can use itr with OOo but its not in xfontsel |
| 13:41.38 | zu22 | morning, after a recent upgrade of my Debian testing i now have problems connecting to websites like google and gmail, if i click reload it is successful after 15 or so attempts and my /var/log/syslog says " ICMP message type destination unreachable - bad port from 127.0.0.1", anyone know what is going on and how to fix this? |
| 13:42.09 | Nicky | woz this dpkg: error processing //home/ab3l/.kpackage/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3_i386.deb (--install): |
| 13:42.09 | Nicky | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.34 | Zweideutig | zu22: It seems that you are experiencing Internet connectivity problems after upgrading. |
| 13:42.54 | ermavin | Mefu: boot up with koppix and run grub to fix the innstall. Had same error, it was problem with partition table. |
| 13:43.18 | Bombo | is there a tool to view every installed font with example and path/filename ? |
| 13:43.37 | Zweideutig | I tried using Windows 2000 instead of Linux. It sometimes hangs after a suspend to ram. |
| 13:43.46 | Wizzzzzzzo | dvs ok i chnged it how to i restart it ? or just reboot ? |
| 13:43.54 | Mefu | Could some one explain to me step by step what should i do if i get an error 17 in grub ?? (Filesystem unknown...... Cannot mount partition) |
| 13:44.04 | dvs | Wizzzzzzzo: yes. |
| 13:44.08 | Zweideutig | Mefu: No. |
| 13:44.25 | Zweideutig | Mefu: Stop being a lazy dumbass and figure things out with the clues people gave you. |
| 13:44.49 | Zweideutig | Mefu: CLUE: Run grub from a live CD |
| 13:46.22 | Zweideutig | Why are people always coming here with their problems. :\ |
| 13:46.24 | zu22 | Zweideutig: yeah so what should i do to fix it? |
| 13:46.28 | jishin | iKernel: you can run the following # rm * | ls --file-type | grep @ |
| 13:46.36 | dvs | Zweideutig: dunno. ;-) |
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| 13:47.00 | zu22 | any ideas?? |
| 13:47.11 | Zweideutig | zu22: I reinstall ought to solve all your problems. |
| 13:47.22 | zu22 | Zweideutig: ummm lol |
| 13:48.00 | zu22 | Zweideutig: i just downloaded 300mb of stuff during past week on dialup, there must be easier solution ! haha, what file contains info about 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 13:48.52 | Zweideutig | zu22: 127.0.0.1 is your localhost |
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| 13:49.44 | zu22 | Zweideutig: oh yeah i know that, i can connect in web browser to the apache2 running "http://localhost" , it looks like maybe since i upgraded DNS queries mistakenly being sent to my localhost instead of to my ISP's nameservers? |
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| 13:50.19 | zu22 | Zweideutig: my /etc/resolv.conf has my ISPs 2 nameservers |
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| 13:50.44 | Zweideutig | zu22: Are you running a DNS server? |
| 13:50.51 | Zweideutig | (locally) |
| 13:50.56 | zu22 | Zweideutig: nope |
| 13:51.12 | sepski | zu22, it dosnt matter what dns server resolves localhost it will allways be 127.0.0.1 anyway :) |
| 13:51.21 | zu22 | Zweideutig: i connect to my ISP with PAP and it assigns me dynamic IP and sends me the nameservers |
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| 13:51.37 | Zweideutig | Hmm. |
| 13:51.41 | zu22 | sepski: ok |
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| 13:51.47 | crazy_penguin | hi! |
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| 13:53.23 | zu22 | to give some context i was running a very old debian unstable (from 1+ year) and 2.2.20 kernel, so i upgraed to- new stable, upgraded to new testing and upgraded to 2.4.27 kernel, no dns problems, did complete apt-get upgrade, no dns problems, but at some time in past 24 hours when i did another 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" this problem manifested, i also installed some wm and gnome packages and upgraded from apache to apache2 |
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| 13:54.40 | Zweideutig | zu22: A reinstall ought to solve all your problems. |
| 13:54.47 | sepski | zu22, does your nameresolution work ? |
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| 13:56.19 | softwork | Hi, i install ati driver but i dont have 3d aceleration, driver "fglrx" |
| 13:56.26 | pvd2006 | woa, debian is quite a bit faster than ubuntu with gnome |
| 13:56.28 | msoos | Gnea, I bow down. The package was not broken. I instelled a package from testing a long time ago and that was causing problems. I forcibly removed it, and the install now worked. Sorry |
| 13:56.49 | softwork | i need to compile kernel? |
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| 13:57.12 | softwork | i install latest ati driver |
| 13:57.25 | softwork | but i dont have 3d aceleration, |
| 13:57.30 | EvilDin | am just one silly question, is thre possible to run ASP applications on linux ? |
| 13:57.37 | pvd2006 | has anyone else here noticed that debian is faster than ubuntu(including dapper drake) |
| 13:57.38 | zu22 | sepski: yes nslookup/ping both work, irc works, i can connect to most websites but have trouble with google/gmail but after exactly refreshing in firefox each refresh generates an error in /var/log/syslog saying "ICMP message type destination unreachable - bad port from 127.0.0.1", i clearned cache in firefox, same problem, this only manifested in past 24 hours |
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| 13:58.30 | limpio | hi jhenn |
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| 13:58.40 | zu22 | sepski: why would it be going to a port on my localhost to fetch gmail/google page? i dont understand this error |
| 13:58.55 | zu22 | sepski: i have apache2 running on port 80 of localhost |
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| 13:59.55 | sepski | zu22, no iptable rules ? |
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| 14:01.01 | zu22 | sepski: nope no firewall running afaik |
| 14:01.16 | zu22 | sepski: how can i confirm no firewall running? |
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| 14:01.48 | limpio | jhenn: did you solve your problem at the forum? Lou. |
| 14:02.28 | yang | is there a registry when apt-get upgrade was executed? |
| 14:03.09 | zu22 | sepski: here is list of my running processes -> http://pastebin.com/742796 |
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| 14:04.12 | Bounga | hello |
| 14:04.44 | Bounga | I there known problems withlibasound and ALSA in Sid ? |
| 14:04.46 | zu22 | sepski: see anything suspicious in the process list? |
| 14:04.52 | pvd2006 | Hmm, are there extra respositories you need to include in your apt/sources.list file for debian sarge for things like mplayer xmms... |
| 14:04.54 | Nicky | there's a qway to remove a file from a .tar.gz archive directly ? |
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| 14:05.11 | Bounga | I've got this : amarok: relocation error: /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.1.1/xineplug_ao_out_alsa.so: symbol snd_pcm_hw_params_set_rate_near, version ALSA_0.9.0rc4 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference |
| 14:05.22 | Bounga | with amarok, kaffeine ... |
| 14:05.33 | tim | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.40 | zu22 | i noticed /usr/sbin/rarpd is running, could that be causing a problem? |
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| 14:06.19 | pvd2006 | tim, yes, quite a bit faster in my experience, it runs almost as fast as xubuntu |
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| 14:06.29 | pvd2006 | with gnome on here |
| 14:06.40 | dtech | So I did a dist-upgrade on my etch machine while sitting here and I have a conflict between metabar package and konq-plugins trying to write the same file konqsidebar_metabar.la does one replace the other and the old should be removed? |
| 14:06.53 | EvilDin | asp .net on linux yes or no? |
| 14:07.12 | zu22 | sepski you still here? |
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| 14:09.26 | Kiowas | hello |
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| 14:10.23 | Kiowas | I just installed sarge off the netinstall cd and it fails to mount my file system. It insists I need to pass the correct root= parameter, but I know I am. anyone have any ideas? |
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| 14:10.52 | iKernel | jishin thought I was dumb, that command would delete all the files in the directory |
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| 14:13.00 | Meaw | debian:/usr/local/src# locate radius.so |
| 14:13.01 | Meaw | locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 14:13.04 | Meaw | why i cant locate? |
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| 14:13.36 | Ronin | Meaw: try updatedb first |
| 14:13.37 | Kiowas | Meaw, try 'updatedb' first |
| 14:14.05 | marco13185 | how do i give alsa the highest priority possible? |
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| 14:14.34 | jimmy--- | can anyone recommend a new/fully supported (with opengl) nvidia card to look at? thinking about upgrading today |
| 14:14.40 | pvd2006 | is there a list of extra repositories for apt-get for debian for programs like mplayer, xmms, win32codecs, etc... |
| 14:14.49 | vinicius_ | where can i fnd some help with alsa configuraton??? |
| 14:14.59 | tim | pvd2006: I thought to upgrade to ubuntu. but from your result, I will keep my debian. |
| 14:15.23 | Ronin | upgrade to ubuntu? isnt that a contradition |
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| 14:15.30 | coywolf | cvs, what command can show me all the branches? |
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| 14:15.51 | pvd2006 | tim, not to say that ubuntu is bad or anything, it is pretty nice with dapper drake, especially with xfce for me. But it doesnt have all the options with installation |
| 14:15.59 | Youp1 | pvd2006: try synaptic |
| 14:16.05 | vinicius_ | helolo? where can i fnd some help with alsa configuraton??? |
| 14:16.05 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
| 14:16.06 | Meaw | how to make ppp authentication with radius ? cp radius.so to /etc/ppp/plugins ? |
| 14:16.10 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:16.10 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:16.31 | pvd2006 | Youp1, yes I did, I need the extra respository listings off a site maybe? It is not in the respositories already in there. |
| 14:16.45 | EdLin | !tell pvd2006 -about marillat |
| 14:16.50 | pvd2006 | thanks |
| 14:17.01 | sebas007 | hello, without a doubt aptitude is great to manage packages... |
| 14:17.11 | vinicius_ | i can'1t make my via vt1612a work here |
| 14:17.16 | vinicius_ | i already tried everything |
| 14:17.24 | vinicius_ | *soundcard |
| 14:17.25 | Kiowas | anyone know why a fresh install of sarge would be unable to boot, claiming I need to provide the correct root= parameter even though I already am? |
| 14:17.49 | sebas007 | but, is there a way to list source packages? like aptitude does for the binary package? |
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| 14:18.06 | pinucset_ | hi, i use ext3 and i want to change the commit time. I've edited my fstab by commit=60 but it continues with commit every 5s... |
| 14:18.08 | EdLin | pvd2006: there's also backports.org, and apt-get.org. Be warned though, if you use a lot of third party sites you can end up causing dependency conflicts |
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| 14:20.06 | Meaw | how to make ppp authentication with radius ? cp radius.so to /etc/ppp/plugins ? |
| 14:21.11 | zu22 | Edlin: nslookup/ping work, irc works, & i can connect to most websites but having trouble with certain websites such as google/gmail, says can't find host, then after refresh same error, after many refreshes it works, for each refresh it generates an error in /var/log/syslog saying "ICMP message type destination unreachable - bad port from 127.0.0.1", i clearned cache in firefox, same problem, this only manifested in past 24 hours since i did a few "apt-get |
| 14:21.39 | zu22 | edlin: here is list of my running processes -> http://pastebin.com/742796 see anything suspicious? why is rarpd running? i am ppp dialup, running Debian testing, 2.4.27 kernel |
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| 14:22.39 | EdLin | zu22: please send your comments to everyone when not replying to a particular person |
| 14:22.43 | sebas007 | anyone, has a trick to browse the list of source packages easily? |
| 14:22.53 | jimmy____ | anyone ever try to put a PCI and AGP video card in the same box? I think I tried it once a long time ago, and my system wouldn't boot. Is this a known hardware conflict, or something rather unique to me? |
| 14:23.18 | EdLin | zu22: I'm busy now, but since you used my nick it might keep someone else from helping |
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| 14:23.43 | sebas007 | jimmy____: check your bios setting... to choose between the pci and agp card. |
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| 14:25.40 | zu22 | edlin: sorry |
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| 14:26.01 | zu22 | sepski: hi |
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| 14:28.37 | Fale | hello |
| 14:28.49 | S0UL_0F_R00T | i have spending some time in to a search for an answer for my problem with dhcpd and dhclient in sarge in the internet and maybe if occurs with everyone mayba i can help at the moment i don't what doing with may network if somone friend interest to divide this with me i thank's pvt please ? |
| 14:28.57 | Fale | I have a problem: sys_command() | ERROR: External command '/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 2001 vu2001' returned '9' status ! |
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| 14:30.20 | Fale | in my answer? |
| 14:30.24 | Fale | *is |
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| 14:30.39 | S0UL_0F_R00T | i have spending some time in to a search for an answer for my problem with dhcpd and dhclient in sarge in the internet and maybe if occurs with everyone i can help at the moment i don't what doing with my network if somone friend have interest to divide this with me i thank's pvt please ? |
| 14:31.00 | duff | sudo -i yeah |
| 14:31.17 | Fale | What is the probably problem? sys_command() | ERROR: External command '/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 2001 vu2001' returned '9' status ! |
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| 14:32.21 | iKernel | :( compile errors when trying to compile freeglut. http://pastebin.com/742840 |
| 14:34.29 | iKernel | stuff it, I am going to bed |
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| 14:35.09 | Fale | is for me? |
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| 14:35.26 | Fale | iKernel, is for me? |
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| 14:38.35 | zu22 | ! |
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| 14:56.21 | S0UL_0F_R00T | i have spending some time in to a search for an answer for my problem with dhcpd and dhclient in sarge in the internet and maybe if occurs with everyone i can help at the moment i don't what doing with my network if somone friend have interest to divide this with me i thank's pvt please ? |
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| 14:57.33 | inetd | how many of you here use hardware raid0 ? |
| 14:57.50 | S0UL_0F_R00T | Ronin ?? |
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| 14:58.22 | apecat | people, what's your favourite server monitoring tool? i mean stuff like nagios & munin |
| 14:58.43 | merlin65537 | inetd: raid1, sorry |
| 14:58.52 | S0UL_0F_R00T | [Ronin] pvt my poor english not permit to explaim exactly i was in mind. |
| 14:59.22 | Ronin | !br |
| 14:59.22 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:59.52 | S0UL_0F_R00T | thak's dpkg |
| 15:00.17 | inetd | merlin65537: if you didnt have the cash for raid1 would you have left it with no raid ? or use raid0? |
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| 15:01.12 | robin_sz | anyone tried a SN9C102 based webcoma with debian? its seems to come up OK as a V4L2 device, but xawtv etc wont speak to it nicely |
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| 15:01.19 | treestone | inetd: raid0 is just striping, you would use it to get either twice as much disk or higher speed. Both can be achieved instead by getting a bigger disk, and that would reduce MTBF to 1/2 of raid0 |
| 15:01.33 | robin_sz | s/webcoma/webcam/ |
| 15:02.04 | merlin65537 | inetd: no raid, but I happened to buy a new disk and used the old one as a spare for my data-partition |
| 15:02.12 | treestone | inetd: All other constants being the same, of course. |
| 15:02.27 | treestone | s/constants/factors/ |
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| 15:03.16 | inetd | treestone: so single disk vs raid0 (2 disks) ..you think its not much different from performance wise? |
| 15:03.26 | inetd | in reality..not benchmarks |
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| 15:03.57 | petn-randall | inetd: it doubles the chance of loosing data ... |
| 15:04.00 | lordnazgul | i need to give other users access to document root for a chrooted website. I dont want to sent them through the entire /var/chroot/apache/var/www is there a preferred method of doing this? would creating a link to a directory in their home dir make the chroot pointless? |
| 15:04.38 | petn-randall | inetd: but I guess it roughly doubles r/w access to ( performance < 2x) |
| 15:04.42 | inetd | petn-randall: very true...how ever im eager for performance aswell.. |
| 15:05.13 | treestone | inetd: Bigger disks tend to be faster than smaller disks, if they are in the same class. In general. It all depends. |
| 15:05.21 | inetd | petn-randall: specially when you buy a M/B these days it comes with RAID0/1 capabilities |
| 15:06.13 | petn-randall | inetd: hardware raid is crap imho ... with hw raid you can't change/upgrade components without breaking stuff |
| 15:06.20 | setog3 | hi , I upgrade my sid , and now I have a problem with alsa and mplayer any idea ? |
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| 15:06.35 | inetd | treestone: how can a disk spin faster? they have a mechanical limit of certain number of rpms (7200, 10k,etc) |
| 15:06.50 | treestone | inetd: I have sometimes used raid0 (striping) to get performance and size, but that has always been when a) bigger disks couldn't be installed, which is the case for some non-PC hardware, and b) when the data is use-and-throw data. |
| 15:06.52 | inetd | treestone: its more of the seeking. read/write |
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| 15:07.13 | artest | how do I rename file with "-" infront. Did try: mv -- -file.ext to file..and it didn't work any help ? |
| 15:07.20 | treestone | inetd: Same spin rate, same size, to get more capacity you increase density (on each disk, or more platters) = more speed.. |
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| 15:07.27 | inetd | treestone: ic |
| 15:07.42 | lordnazgul | artest try mv /-foo /-bar |
| 15:07.43 | petn-randall | artest: try using ticks like 'this' |
| 15:07.47 | lordnazgul | oops \ ont / |
| 15:07.55 | petn-randall | artest: or backslashes \ |
| 15:07.57 | inetd | petn-randall: true..worst of all if your m/b dies on you...you lose all data aswell.. |
| 15:08.10 | unfo | artest: a third thing that should work is mv -- -foo -bar |
| 15:08.17 | inetd | petn-randall: unless its replaced with another m/b with same raid chipset |
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| 15:08.36 | unfo | artest: the -- means "end of mv flag-options" IIRC. :) |
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| 15:08.56 | inetd | im getting a new m/b tomorrow...going to go with no raid this time |
| 15:08.59 | petn-randall | inetd: but nowadays you never know ... some m/b manufacturers change the chipset and give it the same name |
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| 15:09.10 | inetd | ive got 2x200G + 1x300G drive |
| 15:09.13 | unfo | inetd: good, you may be simplifying your life. :) |
| 15:09.17 | jcmda | im back again |
| 15:09.20 | jcmda | wait |
| 15:09.29 | petn-randall | inetd: I'd do software raid and live with the small performance hit |
| 15:09.33 | jcmda | dang stupid thing used my account name instead of asking for an irc name |
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| 15:10.01 | treestone | inetd: That been said, I'm actually striping 8 disks on one system to get performance.. software striping.. but this is with an SSA controller where that is actually possible. Can't get the capacity or speed otherwise. So there are reasons sometimes. But if you really want raid for security you need raid5 or something. |
| 15:10.05 | Dan39 | this is better |
| 15:10.10 | unfo | hi all, I am rebuilding lynx-cur locally to build it with --enable-color-style, how do I add a little suffix to the version number? (lynx-cur uses debhelper.) |
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| 15:10.24 | Dan39 | can i update KDE just by doing apt-get upgrade kde? |
| 15:10.25 | artest | ahh |
| 15:10.30 | unfo | Dan39: no |
| 15:10.36 | Dan39 | ooo |
| 15:10.37 | Dan39 | lol |
| 15:10.43 | Dan39 | how i upgrade it? |
| 15:10.52 | mathieup | how can I install the "sun java virtual machine on my debian"? |
| 15:10.52 | inetd | ive learned my lesson with ICH6R raid chipset...my m/b died on me..and i couldnt recover the data |
| 15:10.55 | Dan39 | lol i havnt even tried looking |
| 15:11.19 | unfo | inetd: intel chipsets are common. |
| 15:11.44 | unfo | dunno about ICH6R tho. |
| 15:11.50 | inetd | if raid0 not going to make that much of a different (like the benchmarks say) then single drive is much safer and smarter option |
| 15:11.56 | artest | i want to zip file called -rlist so I tried: zip -r rlist-bg.zip . -i /-rlist also zip -r rlist-bg.zip -- -rlist and zip -r rlist-bg /-rlist |
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| 15:12.23 | treestone | Dan39: To 'upgrade' an individual component you just use 'apt-get install' on that one. Of course it will drag in the necessary upgrades on other packages it depends on too, you may want to try with -su (apt-get install -su kde) |
| 15:12.24 | unfo | artest: -rlist is a very weird name for a file. Unix ppl would never name a file that. |
| 15:12.36 | inetd | unfo: common but there are many varities...ich5, ich5r, ich6, ich6r...they all have different capabilities...and one does not detect anothers raid volumes |
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| 15:12.44 | Vaylor|rolyaV | hi all |
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| 15:12.59 | dany | hi |
| 15:13.07 | unfo | inetd: that sux. maybe someone can recover the data for you? or maybe there is a way to yourself with dd(1)? |
| 15:13.09 | Vaylor|rolyaV | please, just one thing : do you know how take a screen with imagemagick? |
| 15:13.14 | artest | unfo not quite the soution ... |
| 15:13.22 | unfo | Vaylor|rolyaV: |
| 15:13.26 | unfo | man imagemagick |
| 15:13.29 | Dan39 | wats -su do? |
| 15:13.31 | unfo | the manpage will tell you. |
| 15:13.34 | Vaylor|rolyaV | :) |
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| 15:13.41 | dany | what about xgl aiglx or exgl on debian most of other distrib have their own packages but as usually not debian.... |
| 15:13.42 | inetd | unfo: eg: ich6r has capabilities to make upto 2 raid volumes with different stripe sizes..ich6 doesnt support that |
| 15:13.59 | Arafangion | Dan39: "man su", not "man -su" |
| 15:14.06 | treestone | Dan39: -s won't actually install, and -u lists the packages. |
| 15:14.12 | artest | So how do I zip folder named "-rlist" ??? |
| 15:14.18 | treestone | Arafangion: His question was about apt-get install params.. |
| 15:14.19 | unfo | artest: rename the folder. :) |
| 15:14.26 | Dan39 | o |
| 15:14.30 | Arafangion | treestone: I missed that. |
| 15:14.40 | inetd | unfo: i did recover the data eventually...after fiddling with the m/b for hours.. :) but m/b is faulty...and getting replaced |
| 15:14.51 | Dan39 | wats this now, "man su"? |
| 15:15.03 | Arafangion | treestone: What kind? |
| 15:15.04 | unfo | Dan39: man su was a mistake. :) |
| 15:15.06 | artest | unfo its on webserver and serves as domain htdocs folder ..... |
| 15:15.08 | treestone | Arafangion: Blue Java.. |
| 15:15.15 | unfo | artest: so? |
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| 15:15.26 | artest | so renaming it isnt what i want |
| 15:15.27 | Shadowcat | right |
| 15:15.29 | unfo | as long as its not 100% Pure Java(tm) |
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| 15:15.32 | Shadowcat | !geek unfo |
| 15:15.32 | Arafangion | treestone: I drink only double-shot expressos. |
| 15:15.41 | artest | so you are telling me there is no way to rename "-" file ? |
| 15:15.49 | Dan39 | so is it apt-get install su or apt-get install -su? lol |
| 15:16.02 | pngwn | dan39, try debian.org/doc and read some basic documentation |
| 15:16.07 | unfo | artest: there is. use your PageUp key to see the previous advice. |
| 15:16.10 | Dan39 | lol |
| 15:16.12 | Shadowcat | !tell Dan39 about lol |
| 15:16.16 | treestone | Arafangion: 'un caffe molto ristretto, per favore..' (1/4 as much water/coffe as normal espresso) |
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| 15:16.36 | artest | tried them all |
| 15:16.41 | unfo | pngwn: wasnt there a good infobot factoid about getting started? |
| 15:16.48 | Dan39 | hahaha |
| 15:16.50 | unfo | I dont remember its name. |
| 15:16.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:16.54 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:16.59 | unfo | tarzeau: hi |
| 15:17.07 | unfo | all, I am rebuilding lynx-cur locally to build it with --enable-color-style, how do I add a little suffix to the version number? (lynx-cur uses debhelper.) |
| 15:17.08 | Shadowcat | Dan39: and no one's gonna help you until you become serious |
| 15:17.17 | Arafangion | treestone: I like it very short, trouble becomes is that the difference between a good coffee and a bad coffee becomes much more significant. |
| 15:17.36 | treestone | Arafangion: That's true indeed |
| 15:17.58 | unfo | artest: why is the folder named that? I am not a webserver admin. :) |
| 15:18.22 | Arafangion | treestone: And as I usually make it myself... I find that Starbucks is too... coarsely ground. |
| 15:18.30 | unfo | did anyone see my question about lynx-cur above? am I asking it wrong? |
| 15:18.30 | Dan39 | sry i jus got a bad habit of saying lol a lot |
| 15:18.39 | unfo | Dan39: I use haha or :) |
| 15:18.46 | Shadowcat | Dan39: not our problem |
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| 15:19.09 | Shadowcat | sigh, Sunday trolls |
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| 15:20.36 | robin_sz | anyone happen to know if you can use oen-ldap to share an address book in Thunderbird |
| 15:20.47 | robin_sz | open-ldap even |
| 15:20.55 | Dan39 | thnx for the info guys but the help info in terminal seems to be doing pretty well |
| 15:21.07 | unfo | will the debian devel people be upset if I ask my question in their channel? |
| 15:21.15 | unfo | Dan39: glad to hear it helped you. |
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| 15:22.14 | tarzeau | hi unfo |
| 15:22.35 | tarzeau | unfo: have you tried links2 ? |
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| 15:22.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have a problem, my inittab sais that an process field is to long, is there an way to fix this (and now the command cant be smaller) |
| 15:23.16 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: why are you editing that manually? |
| 15:23.30 | DJ-Marcuzz | i need an process that respawns automaicly |
| 15:23.32 | elliptic | unfo: dch ? |
| 15:23.35 | unfo | tarzeau: yes, I prefer lynx. :) I just prefer the colors of color-styles (xterm blue is too dark.) |
| 15:23.45 | unfo | elliptic: what? I mean #debian-devel |
| 15:23.49 | Dan39 | is the version of some of the stuff debian uses(KDE) not the newest version of the actual software? |
| 15:24.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcatm or you need to have an better idear |
| 15:24.14 | tarzeau | telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
| 15:24.24 | elliptic | unfo: about "add a little suffix to the version number" |
| 15:24.34 | unfo | elliptic: ah. what is dch? |
| 15:25.03 | unfo | Dan39: apt-cache show kde |
| 15:25.21 | unfo | Dan39: apt-cache show konqueror kwin kcontrol |
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| 15:25.33 | elliptic | unfo: man dch (add a new entry to the debian Changelog) |
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| 15:25.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, i need an vnc server to restart everytime it shuts down |
| 15:25.50 | lordnazgul | is there a way to create a one way link between files? ie A points to B, but B does not point to A |
| 15:25.53 | elliptic | unfo: same as debchange |
| 15:26.09 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: what the hell, do you even know what a daemon is? |
| 15:26.19 | Shadowcat | vnc servers don't kill themselves |
| 15:26.27 | Shadowcat | it stays up until someone kills it |
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| 15:27.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, with -once in the command they do, and then they need to get restarted and without the -once it runs usless |
| 15:27.03 | coywolf | cvs, what command can show me all the branches? |
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| 15:27.43 | unfo | Shadowcat: no personal attacks please |
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| 15:27.53 | unfo | DJ-Marcuzz: I do not know, I would try: man inetd |
| 15:28.14 | unfo | DJ-Marcuzz: oops I take that back. |
| 15:28.21 | unfo | DJ-Marcuzz: what Shadowcat said :) |
| 15:28.28 | Shadowcat | unfo: he's editing inittab to respawn vncserver |
| 15:28.34 | Shadowcat | he deserves the attack |
| 15:28.42 | unfo | Shadowcat: everyone's a newbie sometime. |
| 15:28.48 | Shadowcat | vncserver doesn't need respawning |
| 15:28.59 | Shadowcat | I've had that process up for an entire year without a hitch |
| 15:29.09 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, if you can tell me how to make an normal service that respawns Xvnc when it gets killed, tell me |
| 15:29.25 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: first of all, it DOESN'T get killed |
| 15:29.28 | Shadowcat | you need to understand that |
| 15:29.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, may i explain? |
| 15:29.48 | Shadowcat | daemons stay up until someone goes in and kills them |
| 15:29.50 | merlin65537 | DJ-Marcuzz: how about you put the command in a script, and call that from inittab? |
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| 15:30.07 | kyncani | DJ-Marcuzz: it doesn't get killed. But you can check up monit if you want to automagically restart servers if they crash. |
| 15:30.08 | Shadowcat | merlin65537: first he needs to understand that vncserver doesn't kill itself |
| 15:30.27 | Shadowcat | if it's crashing he should find out what he's doing to make it crash |
| 15:30.33 | Shadowcat | not edit /etc/inittab |
| 15:30.33 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok the explaination: |
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| 15:31.22 | Shadowcat | running vncserver off inetd is also a terrible idea as it'd spawn a new process everytime you connect |
| 15:31.26 | Shadowcat | which is usually NOT what you want |
| 15:31.53 | EvilDin | asp .net on linux yes or no? |
| 15:32.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | when you take the Xvnc command with -query localhost so it gets you an login screen, and then you log in and have fun, but wen you log off you don't get the login screen back, so you need the -once to kill it as soon as you log of, but then your vnc is stoped and it needs to be started again so someone else can log in |
| 15:32.31 | unfo | EvilDin: ask in the mono channel on irc.gnome.org |
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| 15:33.08 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: you're trying to setup remote access for multiple users |
| 15:33.14 | Shadowcat | which vnc wasn't designed for |
| 15:33.40 | unfo | DJ-Marcuzz: which vnc variant are you using? |
| 15:33.55 | Shadowcat | unfo: doesn't matter, he's correct about it not granting a login screen |
| 15:34.07 | unfo | oh. |
| 15:34.10 | Shadowcat | that requires some creative scripting server side |
| 15:34.16 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, one user at the time, but i want the login screen |
| 15:34.19 | Shadowcat | but NOT editing /etc/inittab |
| 15:34.30 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: this isn't Windows Terminal Services |
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| 15:34.36 | Shadowcat | you don't get a login screen with vnc |
| 15:34.40 | Shadowcat | you authenticate before that |
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| 15:34.51 | EvilDin | i thought if web application are available to execute |
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| 15:35.16 | Shadowcat | if you connect via the windows vnc client you plug in the username and password before you login |
| 15:35.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat,but you cnat log in with all local accounds, so you just don't authenticate to vnc, but you do in the login screen after that |
| 15:35.55 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: if a user doesn't have a local account they can't use vnc in the first place |
| 15:36.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, my goal is that i can connect to the pc with only 1 connection and then give my username and pass and log in as that user |
| 15:37.00 | inetd | !acroread |
| 15:37.00 | dpkg | i guess acroread is Adobe Acrobat Reader for viewing and printing Adobe Portable Document Format (PDF) files. It also works well as a plugin for the glibc2 (libc6) version of Netscape 4.7x. Home Page: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html |
| 15:37.06 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: that's NOT how it works |
| 15:37.15 | unfo | !tell inetd about kpdf |
| 15:37.18 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: if you don't have a user account you can't connect to the machine in the first place |
| 15:37.30 | Shadowcat | you need three things to connect to a unix box |
| 15:37.37 | Shadowcat | a user account, a password, and an address |
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| 15:37.46 | Shadowcat | well... four things, and a client that can connect |
| 15:37.47 | unfo | !kpdf |
| 15:37.55 | Shadowcat | if you don't have those for things, you're not getting it |
| 15:37.57 | Shadowcat | in* |
| 15:38.11 | unfo | !kpdf is a good open-source PDF reader for Linux. |
| 15:38.11 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
| 15:38.16 | inetd | unfo: i use xpdf and evince ..but they both sucks |
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| 15:38.35 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, i have pass, user and addres |
| 15:38.59 | unfo | inetd: what features do you miss? |
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| 15:39.04 | Shadowcat | so then make each user spawn a vncserver process then |
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| 15:39.07 | Shadowcat | and make them connect to it |
| 15:39.09 | Shadowcat | problem solved |
| 15:39.12 | TheHobbit | hi there.... I'm installing on a server with three network cards, ho do I understand which one is ethX for X =1, 2, 3? |
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| 15:39.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, that would use up way more mem then my solution :S |
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| 15:39.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | then i would have 20 vnc's running instead of 1 |
| 15:39.50 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: no, you don't understand, my solution IS a solution |
| 15:39.55 | Shadowcat | your solution is NOT a solution |
| 15:40.01 | inetd | unfo: its mainly the navigation...being able use shortcuts..and zoom to the amount you need (not pre-defined once) |
| 15:40.02 | Shadowcat | one vnc process handles ONE client |
| 15:40.08 | Shadowcat | you want 20 users at once you spawn 20 of them |
| 15:40.11 | Shadowcat | it's very simple |
| 15:40.46 | unfo | inetd: shortcuts? you mean bookmarks? |
| 15:41.00 | Shadowcat | and if you don't want all 20 ending up sharing the same desktop you better pass the correct arguments as well |
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| 15:41.02 | unfo | also, I use "Fit Visible" to zoom when I can. |
| 15:41.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, you cnat acces the pc by keyboard attached to it, just by vnc, so i need 1 vnc that gives me login, user done, vnc restarts and next user can use it, its as simple :S |
| 15:41.42 | inetd | unfo: no..eg cntrl+l prompts you for page number, ctrl+f fullscreen etc..etc |
| 15:41.44 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: again, that's NOT how it works |
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| 15:42.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, well how do you want a user to spawn an vnc when they cant acces the thing? |
| 15:43.16 | Shadowcat | first off you need to understand that vnc isn't designed for what you're trying to do |
| 15:43.16 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, what the hell is then? |
| 15:43.25 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: it is NOT Windows 2003 Terminal Services |
| 15:43.30 | TheHobbit | hi there.... I'm installing on a server with three network cards, ho do I understand which one is ethX for X =1, 2, 3? |
| 15:43.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | i know |
| 15:43.39 | unfo | inetd: hmm, it couldn't be that hard to add shortcuts for the few toolbar buttons that xpdf has... maybe file a bug? |
| 15:43.45 | Shadowcat | it's designed for a single user who wants desktop over ethernet |
| 15:43.51 | unfo | inetd: maybe someone'll fix it. |
| 15:43.53 | Shadowcat | and anything else will be one hell of a hack |
| 15:44.33 | unfo | inetd: kpdf has more shortcuts. |
| 15:44.42 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, my solution is one user and 1 restarting srver so evrytime someone else can log in, and yes it is 1 big hack so what it is still secure |
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| 15:45.03 | Shadowcat | so you're making a single user terminal server? |
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| 15:45.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, you get it ;) |
| 15:46.00 | Shadowcat | stupid solution |
| 15:46.12 | Dan39 | how do i stop apaceh and other daemons from being loading at startup? and is the postmaster used just for webserver or OS also? |
| 15:46.15 | fericitu_ | how can view all the process with all port and pid ...??? |
| 15:46.24 | pipeline | Dan39: man rc.conf |
| 15:46.30 | Shadowcat | pipeline: rc.conf? |
| 15:46.33 | Shadowcat | this isn't gentoo |
| 15:46.37 | pipeline | Dan39: "postmaster" is usually the name of the user for the postgres user |
| 15:46.40 | pipeline | Shadowcat: d'oh, wrong window |
| 15:46.45 | pipeline | Dan39: d'oh, not rc.conf |
| 15:46.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat why? if you want a cool solution google for vnc terminal server :P |
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| 15:47.05 | Dan39 | yea the postgres thingy, isnt that the db? |
| 15:47.06 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: I don't need to, I know how to implement it properly |
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| 15:47.10 | inetd | w00t..bsdgames pkg owns :) |
| 15:47.33 | Shadowcat | which entails NOT using vncserver in the first place |
| 15:47.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat i know how to mod it to my needs ;) |
| 15:47.40 | Shadowcat | but rather X over ethernet |
| 15:47.44 | treestone | pipeline: 'postmaster' was used as system mail address decades before postgres existed.. |
| 15:47.48 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: so why are you in here then? |
| 15:48.01 | pipeline | treestone: *shrug* |
| 15:48.06 | Shadowcat | put a local x server on each of the user's computers and configure them to remote to the server |
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| 15:48.10 | Shadowcat | voila, terminal services |
| 15:48.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, to fix one little aspect of it |
| 15:48.13 | merlin65537 | TheHobbit: man interfaces -> known bugs -> talks about mapping |
| 15:48.13 | Shadowcat | next! |
| 15:48.19 | pipeline | treestone: I conventionally don't have a mail daemon at all. |
| 15:48.25 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: again, your whole concept is flawed |
| 15:48.48 | merlin65537 | TheHobbit: maybe that helps if you just want to assign the right IP-addresses? |
| 15:48.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, whats the big flaw then, what can go wrong ??? |
| 15:48.56 | Fish-Face | Hi, guys, Gnome is persistently failing to start on etch, taking out the X Server with it, and leaving a "*** glibc detected ***" error behind on its VT |
| 15:49.13 | Fish-Face | Has anyone even heard of this? I couldn't find anything that seemed relevant on google. |
| 15:49.18 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: go back and read what I Typed again, and AGAIN until you understand it |
| 15:49.23 | TheHobbit | merlin65537: sure, but only one will have a static IP, other ones will be autoconfigured |
| 15:49.23 | Shadowcat | I'm not gonna repeat myself |
| 15:49.42 | treestone | Battery 1: discharging, 34%, 02:01:45 remaining |
| 15:49.43 | Shadowcat | Fish-Face: bugs.debian.org |
| 15:49.47 | treestone | oops |
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| 15:49.54 | Dan39 | well that was a real help, one dude says sometin wrong, then the other dude syas its wrong, and then nothing... =\ |
| 15:49.59 | Shadowcat | so just two hours until we're rid of treestone |
| 15:50.01 | Fish-Face | Shadowcat, are you saying submit one, or check for one? |
| 15:50.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, tell me what point of my solution goes wrong, i know i don't nee dto have it in inittab, but thats why im here to ask how to build it into an normal boot service! |
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| 15:50.39 | christor | Hi |
| 15:50.40 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: read what I typed |
| 15:50.43 | Shadowcat | I'm not repeating |
| 15:50.49 | christor | Hi |
| 15:51.20 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, you just typed its wrong, but not WHAT is wrong! |
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| 15:51.42 | christor | I need an information , I would like to install a wifi card on my Linux and have I to recompile my kernel?? this is using the madwifi drivers |
| 15:51.43 | RubenGA | Hi |
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| 15:52.03 | Shadowcat | christor: we're not gonna teach you how to recompile a kernel |
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| 15:52.16 | Generic | !rpm |
| 15:52.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, rpm is revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison method, or robot power ... |
| 15:52.23 | merlin65537 | christor: You have to have wireless lan components in it, you don't have to |
| 15:52.45 | christor | merlin65537: but these component are not loaded by default? |
| 15:52.45 | TheHobbit | bye |
| 15:52.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | Shadowcat, its just the vnc terminal server howto, but then i modified its so its always on and not only when someone connects, but then i miss the restart (what happens under an connect) so thats why i need an other methode for it and im here to lean how it should be done |
| 15:52.53 | Shadowcat | the point is that he might have to do it since I'm not quite up to speed on what's in the debian kernels |
| 15:52.54 | unfo | Generic: are you tempted to install an rpm on your computer? |
| 15:53.00 | christor | Shadowcat: I don t ask you to teach me , just ask if it is really necessary to do it |
| 15:53.05 | Generic | unfo, yeah |
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| 15:53.19 | unfo | Generic: why??? |
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| 15:53.23 | Shadowcat | !beat Generic |
| 15:53.33 | Shadowcat | unfo: because he's stupid |
| 15:53.34 | unfo | Shadowcat: no impersonal attacks please :) |
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| 15:53.39 | treestone | christor: If your kernel was originally compiled with wireless support and loadable modules support then you need only compile the driver. |
| 15:53.48 | Generic | I need to install a program, jamseeder, so i can downloaded albums and crap and get credited for seeding them |
| 15:53.55 | unfo | Shadowcat: all are newbies sometime. |
| 15:54.05 | Shadowcat | Generic: and we don't help people with warez |
| 15:54.09 | Shadowcat | so go ask somewhere else |
| 15:54.17 | Generic | Who said it was Warez foo |
| 15:54.24 | Generic | Ever heard of Creative Commons licensing? |
| 15:54.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | so i will now refrase the question: who can help me build an startup service that executes an command and executes it again when the proram is killed? |
| 15:54.50 | Shadowcat | I'm pretty sure downloading full albums has an iota of illegality |
| 15:54.54 | Generic | and if it was warez, why the hell would I want to have my downloads tracked by a central server? |
| 15:54.55 | Aim_Here | Don't you just want to upload a bittorrent whatsit to legaltorrents.com or whathaveyou |
| 15:54.58 | christor | treestone: I have installed the alst debian this afternoon , my question is , Is the wireless module are present in the default kernel of debian? |
| 15:55.04 | Aim_Here | Plenty of legal music on p2p, Shadowcat |
| 15:55.04 | blondie | Shadowcat: not necessarily. |
| 15:55.05 | Generic | jamendo.com |
| 15:55.18 | Shadowcat | Generic: in that case, look into alien |
| 15:55.29 | treestone | christor: No idea, I never use default kernels on any system. I always compile myself. |
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| 15:55.37 | unfo | isn't building it yourself and using checkinstall also a good option? |
| 15:55.43 | dooglus | Shadowcat: there's nothing wrong with downloading albums so long as the license lets you |
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| 15:56.06 | Shadowcat | treestone: I don't use stock debian kernels as a matter of security |
| 15:56.13 | Shadowcat | debian unstable kernels break every full moon |
| 15:56.19 | unfo | as a matter of security? |
| 15:56.24 | unfo | or stability? |
| 15:56.30 | Shadowcat | unfo: well ya, stability |
| 15:56.33 | unfo | oh. |
| 15:56.35 | treestone | Shadowcat: Yeah, I prefer to know exactly what I have running, myself. |
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| 15:56.42 | christor | treestone: okok |
| 15:56.42 | Shadowcat | and security in this case |
| 15:56.44 | mirf | can I replace xfree86 with xorg easily? |
| 15:56.45 | _rene_ | Shadowcat: well, it's unstable. that's what the name says |
| 15:56.54 | Shadowcat | mirf: since you're asking, no |
| 15:57.01 | unfo | :) |
| 15:57.08 | mirf | heh ok |
| 15:57.17 | Shadowcat | _rene_: so why is it that everytime the kernel breaks in unstable we have 60 people in here screaming about non-bootable systems? |
| 15:57.17 | _rene_ | but with udev, yes... |
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| 15:57.38 | Generic | !alien |
| 15:57.38 | dpkg | from memory, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
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| 15:57.47 | Shadowcat | Generic: /msg the bot |
| 15:57.50 | christor | I have an other question , I bought 2 hd sata2 to do raid1 but this is not working, is it due to a problem of sata?? this is not again fully managed by linux? |
| 15:58.05 | Shadowcat | heh raid1 |
| 15:58.07 | treestone | christor: What you could simply do is to just try compile that driver, see if it works. If it won't compile you probably don't have the wireless option in your kernel (NB: You need the kernel headers installed for your kernel). |
| 15:58.11 | JorgeBecerra | hello, i have a courier on sarge using imap. Moving to .Outbox folder deliver but the message is keep on that folder, is that a "feature" or i nee to fix something? |
| 15:58.13 | _rene_ | Shadowcat: because many people have nno clue about dealing with kernels? (not that I refer to you specifically but many error reports also are bogus) |
| 15:58.15 | bolrod | Shadowcat: is a broken kernel a reason for an unbootable system? |
| 15:58.16 | Generic | Shadowcat, I'll keep it in mind for the future |
| 15:58.25 | unfo | !m-a |
| 15:58.25 | dpkg | from memory, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 15:58.26 | _rene_ | and also think that udev and initramfstools/yaird are involved |
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| 15:58.33 | _rene_ | those three are not kernel-related |
| 15:58.35 | christor | treestone: I installed the headers |
| 15:58.38 | _rene_ | if udev breaks, udev breaks |
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| 15:58.53 | _rene_ | if one of the initrd tools breaks, they break (and the boot) |
| 15:58.54 | Shadowcat | bolrod: stop following me around :P |
| 15:58.57 | bolrod | ? |
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| 15:59.12 | christor | treestone: I dont know about wireless :s , I have loaded the madwifi drivers and it worked , and iwconfig gave me a interface , but I don t know how to detect the network. |
| 15:59.16 | Shadowcat | _rene_: most of the time it's the kernel+yarid that screws up |
| 15:59.26 | Shadowcat | udev is pretty stable most of the time |
| 15:59.29 | Shadowcat | *knocks on wood* |
| 15:59.29 | unfo | christor: try iwlist maybe? |
| 15:59.46 | unfo | I do not use wireless. |
| 15:59.47 | bolrod | Shadowcat: I do? :) |
| 15:59.59 | _rene_ | Shadowcat: LOL |
| 16:00.00 | yang | is there a registry to tell time when apt-get upgrade was executed? |
| 16:00.01 | Shadowcat | when 2.6.17 hits we're gonna have another breakage |
| 16:00.06 | treestone | christor: iwlist -h |
| 16:00.19 | Shadowcat | yang: logs? |
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| 16:00.20 | _rene_ | Shadowcat: udev breaks all the time. at least on non-x86 |
| 16:00.28 | yang | Shadowcat: which? |
| 16:00.28 | dooglus | yang: if you run apt-get using sudo, you'll see an entry for the command in the auth.log |
| 16:00.31 | christor | iwlist ath0 scanning : ath0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Invalid argument |
| 16:00.37 | Shadowcat | _rene_: not my fault you run some backwater architecture :P |
| 16:00.42 | _rene_ | Shadowcat: and you already said it: yaird. yaird is crap. not the kernel |
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| 16:00.46 | _rene_ | Shadowcat: amd64? |
| 16:00.50 | unfo | yang: look in /var/log |
| 16:00.55 | _rene_ | Shadowcat: get down from your trip |
| 16:01.00 | unfo | yang: I dunno. |
| 16:01.02 | Shadowcat | _rene_: amd64 is still unstable for me :P |
| 16:01.04 | yang | unfo: yeah which entry in /var/log hehe |
| 16:01.18 | pvd2006 | I am about to install debian and use manual package selection. This is my first time doing this so I am trying to figure out which packages I need to install. I have x window system core, gdm, and xfce4 on the list so far. |
| 16:01.20 | Shadowcat | things will continue to break in amd64 for a long time |
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| 16:01.28 | treestone | christor: But if you know the network you want to connect to, just connect: iwconfig ath0 essid <your essid> and continue from there. |
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| 16:01.30 | dooglus | yang: apt-get upgrade doesn't write to any log files |
| 16:01.30 | Shadowcat | _rene_: and I do run the amd64 build |
| 16:01.35 | unfo | yang: try dpkg.log |
| 16:01.39 | Shadowcat | I've just gotten used to all the screwups |
| 16:01.46 | dooglus | yang: (if it runs dpkg, then dpkg will write to logs) |
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| 16:02.03 | unfo | pvd2006: manual package selection takes too much time to be worth it. |
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| 16:02.15 | pvd2006 | well I dont want to install kde or gnome |
| 16:02.23 | yang | dooglus: ok |
| 16:02.30 | unfo | pvd2006: your PC specs pls? |
| 16:02.38 | dooglus | yang: use 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and sudo will write an entry in auth.log |
| 16:02.51 | pvd2006 | amd 1500+ running at 1333mhz, 1gig of ram |
| 16:02.53 | Shadowcat | I run kde+gnome, but I don't install the metapackages because I don't need all the crap |
| 16:02.56 | pvd2006 | I use xfce right now |
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| 16:03.14 | pvd2006 | xfce is the desktop environment i want to use |
| 16:03.14 | yang | dooglus: well dpkg.log is enough... |
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| 16:03.31 | unfo | pvd2006: I use kde on an amd 1400+ with 128 MB of RAM and I am perfectly happy with the productivity boost it offers my mom. |
| 16:03.46 | unfo | and with its speed. |
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| 16:04.08 | pipeline | unfo: Well, with 128M of RAM, KDE is pretty much your only option. |
| 16:04.17 | Shadowcat | uhh |
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| 16:04.22 | Shadowcat | you can run kde on 64mb |
| 16:04.25 | AleXXandEr | hi (sorry for my english, i'm from russia) |
| 16:04.32 | pvd2006 | eh, I have used kde and gnome, I perfer gnome over kde, and xfce over gnome so far. xfce is what I am going to use, so I guess Ill have to sit there and manually select the packages I want. |
| 16:04.37 | pipeline | unfo: You need to be able to have a set of applications that all use the exact same set of libraries in order to economize. |
| 16:04.52 | AleXXandEr | have anybody cedega (package)? |
| 16:04.53 | Oins | Can anyone help me with hostapd? I get the following error "deauthenticated due to local deauth request". What could this be? My config file looks like this: http://phpfi.com/120405 |
| 16:05.01 | Shadowcat | AleXXandEr: goto their homepage |
| 16:05.09 | unfo | pipeline: I use firefox. I dont care. |
| 16:05.22 | pipeline | unfo: Firefox in 128M of RAM? Jesus christ. You must swap constantly ;_; |
| 16:05.26 | unfo | !tell AleXXandEr --about justask |
| 16:05.32 | AleXXandEr | but there is not packages |
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| 16:06.02 | unfo | pipeline: I don't mind the swapping. Swapping doesn't take that long. |
| 16:06.07 | pipeline | AleXXandEr: Cedega has debian-compatible packages. |
| 16:06.09 | pipeline | AleXXandEr: They cost money. |
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| 16:06.19 | pipeline | unfo: You're insane ;_ |
| 16:06.27 | pipeline | unfo: I'd rather have 1/10th the processor speed than swap. |
| 16:06.30 | unfo | try wine, it's free. http://appdb.winehq.org for compatibility info |
| 16:06.38 | treestone | unfo: I'm astonished that you manage to run kde with only 128MB.. it barely works on my father's 384MB machine, and it literally sounded like swapping hell when back when he was on 64MB. |
| 16:06.44 | AleXXandEr | yes :) i can't pay to them (i'm from russia) |
| 16:06.46 | unfo | I'm on etch. |
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| 16:06.57 | pipeline | AleXXandEr: You'll probably get banned if you pursue this line of discussion :( |
| 16:06.58 | unfo | AleXXandEr: if you can't pay for cedega, use wine. |
| 16:07.11 | Shadowcat | AleXXandEr: let's get one thing straight, we're NOT giving you cedega packages |
| 16:07.17 | Shadowcat | and that's the END of that discussion |
| 16:07.20 | mirf | :) |
| 16:07.20 | Plater | hi all |
| 16:07.25 | unfo | doesn't cedega have open CVS for the brave? |
| 16:07.46 | linus__^ | does debian modifies very much the default linux kernel? |
| 16:07.52 | pipeline | linus__^: Nope. |
| 16:07.57 | Shadowcat | cedega only charges for the pre-packaged stuff |
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| 16:07.58 | pipeline | unfo: It's worthless. |
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| 16:08.06 | Shadowcat | if you're skilled enough to can build the deb from source |
| 16:08.07 | pipeline | Shadowcat, unfo : The public CVS omits important chunks of the software. |
| 16:08.15 | unfo | pipeline: what is missing? |
| 16:08.19 | pipeline | Shadowcat, unfo : You cannot build a similar deb to the commercial product from CVS. |
| 16:08.27 | pipeline | unfo: Swathes of directX; all copy-protection workarounds. |
| 16:08.38 | pollywog | I am installing Debian stable over Xandros (replacing Xandros) but Debian does not see the second drive. Any ideas? |
| 16:08.42 | unfo | oh. DirectX is important. I wonder why they would omit parts. |
| 16:08.52 | Shadowcat | probably because of nda |
| 16:08.55 | pipeline | Shadowcat, unfo, AleXXandEr : It also bears mentioning that Cedega is what, 3, 4 years behind the mainstream wine project? |
| 16:09.04 | unfo | pollywog: please tell us what you mean by "does not see". |
| 16:09.06 | AleXXandEr | i used cvs, but i can't execute any games(i play only q3) |
| 16:09.15 | pipeline | Shadowcat, unfo, AleXXandEr : They treated the mainstream community so shabbily, for so long, winehq.org changed their license. So the Cedega tree is *ancient*. |
| 16:09.17 | Shadowcat | AleXXandEr: then get the linux version of quake3 |
| 16:09.23 | pollywog | unfo: it does not mount, it's like the second drive is not there |
| 16:09.29 | pipeline | unfo: They want you to buy their subscription, silly. |
| 16:09.31 | unfo | AleXXandEr: use Linux q3 or see http://appdb.winehq.org |
| 16:09.34 | pollywog | the second drive is ext3 btw |
| 16:09.36 | Shadowcat | pipeline: right we don't need a lecture |
| 16:09.51 | unfo | Shadowcat: pipeline was just answering my question. |
| 16:10.01 | Shadowcat | so don't include me in it |
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| 16:10.11 | pollywog | I like Cedega but it doesn't support the old games I play |
| 16:10.13 | unfo | Shadowcat: you can always /ignore. |
| 16:10.22 | pipeline | Shadowcat: Tough how that works, isn't it. We have friction so often, I'm shocked you haven't just ignored me. |
| 16:10.24 | linus__^ | pipeline: but how much debian modifies that kernel, and why slackware uses pure linux kernel? and why some crappy distro like fedora or redhat destroy it? |
| 16:10.24 | AleXXandEr | cedega can execute only q3 |
| 16:10.31 | pipeline | linus__^: ... |
| 16:10.36 | pipeline | linus__^: The mainstream kernel tree is practically unusable. |
| 16:10.47 | mirf | I'd like to set up jack as my main sound server |
| 16:10.50 | mirf | is this possible? |
| 16:10.52 | pipeline | linus__^: It's the explicit policy of the kernel.org maintainers that distributions are *supposed* to modify the kernel in order to make it usable by mere human beings. |
| 16:10.52 | pollywog | I am installing Debian stable over Xandros (replacing Xandros) but Debian does not mount the second drive. Any ideas? |
| 16:11.05 | linus__^ | pipeline: what is the mainstream kernel tree? |
| 16:11.09 | Shadowcat | linus__^: are you here for a philosophical discussion or do you have a real question? |
| 16:11.12 | pipeline | linus__^: Redhat modifies the kernel heavily to remove chunks that simply don't work well. They want to be able to support the damn thing for 6 years, after all. |
| 16:11.21 | Shadowcat | !tell pollywog about repeat |
| 16:11.25 | linus__^ | Shadowcat: just curiosity |
| 16:11.25 | linus__^ | :) |
| 16:11.26 | pipeline | linus__^: The main line of the kernel is hosted at kernel.org; it's maintained by Andrew Morton. |
| 16:11.32 | pollywog | k |
| 16:11.39 | Shadowcat | linus__^: then come back when we're NOT swamped |
| 16:11.43 | Shadowcat | i.e. NOT on a Sunday |
| 16:11.43 | unfo | pollywog: perhaps you should reformat. |
| 16:11.45 | AleXXandEr | i can't execute hl2 and many others games.what's troubles? |
| 16:11.54 | pipeline | linus__^: The kernel.org kernels are very, very unstable. They're intended to be patched up and fixed by distribution maintainers so that users don't have to suffer. |
| 16:11.56 | linus__^ | heehehehhe |
| 16:11.57 | treestone | pipeline: I totally disagree that kernel.org kernels are unusable. Simply look for the x.y.z versions (z > 0). I have NO problems on ANY of my machines (many!) |
| 16:12.00 | unfo | !tell AleXXandEr about ask |
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| 16:12.09 | linus__^ | i see |
| 16:12.13 | pollywog | unfo: I don't think that should be necessary, this has worked before under other distros |
| 16:12.16 | Shadowcat | I use a kernel.org kernel, and it works fine |
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| 16:12.20 | linus__^ | pipeline: so i shouldn't install kernels from kernel.org ? |
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| 16:12.27 | pollywog | maybe I just need to edit my fstab |
| 16:12.27 | Shadowcat | !beat pipeline |
| 16:12.30 | Fish-Face | With a bit of detective work, it appears to be gnome-settings-daemon that is causing the hiatus. |
| 16:12.38 | pollywog | I will try that thanks :) |
| 16:12.42 | Shadowcat | you can use a vanilla kernel just fine |
| 16:12.48 | Shadowcat | that said, red hat's kernels are terrible |
| 16:13.01 | AleXXandEr | thanks to all for packages :( |
| 16:13.11 | unfo | pollywog: dunno. I recommend reformatting. backup your /home/pollywog first. |
| 16:13.11 | pipeline | linus__^: Hell no you shouldn't. |
| 16:13.12 | Shadowcat | AleXXandEr: stop asking, you're not getting any |
| 16:13.13 | treestone | linus__^: kernel.org kernels are fine, in my opinion. |
| 16:13.31 | Shadowcat | wtf |
| 16:13.32 | AleXXandEr | ok :) bye |
| 16:13.33 | pipeline | linus__^: No kernel.org kernel after 2.6.7 is even guaranteed to be compile-able. (Well, it usually is.) |
| 16:13.37 | pollywog | unfo: I did reformat the main drive when I installed Debian over Xandros |
| 16:13.41 | pipeline | linus__^: They don't even *try* to maintain some semblance of stability. |
| 16:13.56 | linus__^ | i see |
| 16:13.58 | Shadowcat | pollywog: does fdisk -l see the drive? |
| 16:13.59 | pollywog | the base system installed fine it just does not see (mount) the second drive |
| 16:14.00 | pipeline | linus__^: Not that I'm recommending you use 2.6.7 -- old, poor hardware support. |
| 16:14.06 | treestone | pipeline: That stuff about not compile-able is simply bullshit. Sorry, this just has to be said. Bullshit. |
| 16:14.13 | pollywog | Shadowcat: checking |
| 16:14.16 | linus__^ | pipeline: i'm on 2.6.16 now |
| 16:14.18 | pipeline | treestone: It usually is, but the kernel.org maintainers make no guarantees about that. |
| 16:14.22 | Shadowcat | pipeline: agreed, you're talking out of your ass |
| 16:14.30 | linus__^ | pipeline: with older kernel i was having problems about ACPI |
| 16:14.33 | pipeline | Shadowcat: Balderdash. This is their actual policy. |
| 16:14.36 | unfo | I'm on some 2.6.15 and it's excellent. |
| 16:14.55 | pipeline | I think their policy is bullshit :P |
| 16:14.58 | Shadowcat | pipeline: I've been using vanilla kernels since 2.6.8, they've worked fine all the way through |
| 16:14.59 | unfo | pipeline: just if it's policy does not mean anything. |
| 16:15.05 | unfo | pipeline: stop trolling. |
| 16:15.06 | pollywog | Shadowcat: yes it sees it |
| 16:15.16 | Shadowcat | pollywog: then fix your scripts |
| 16:15.19 | treestone | pipeline: I have a feeling that your opinions are not too much based on actually downloading and compiling kernels. Something I have been doing continually since 1992, and it still works just fine. |
| 16:15.26 | pollywog | Shadowcat: thanks :) |
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| 16:15.37 | linus__^ | well my curiosity about kernels is due a little experiment i've just done: i've overwritten old debian kernel with slack kernel (modules too, without compiling) and now debian boots 10 times more speedy |
| 16:15.40 | Shadowcat | now, take this kernel discussion SOMEWHERE ELSE |
| 16:15.46 | Shadowcat | this isn't a debian discussion |
| 16:15.53 | Shadowcat | and all this text is interferring with the real questions here |
| 16:15.56 | unfo | linus__^: ask in ##linux instead. this is OT. |
| 16:16.05 | pipeline | treestone: Since 1992, eh, two years before Linux existed? Beautiful. :P |
| 16:16.13 | Shadowcat | that includes you pipeline, treestone, and anybody else |
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| 16:16.17 | linus__^ | ok, sorry |
| 16:16.18 | linus__^ | :) |
| 16:16.22 | blondie | linus__^: are you *the* linus? |
| 16:16.27 | unfo | blondie: he is not. |
| 16:16.30 | pipeline | blondie: Think about that one for a second. |
| 16:16.30 | treestone | pipeline: BS again. This is off-topic, but I installed Linux in April 1992. Linux was created October 1991, go read some history. |
| 16:16.34 | blondie | cos I thought he was an expert on the linux kernel ;) |
| 16:16.38 | blondie | s/an/the/ |
| 16:16.45 | linus__^ | haheehehe blondie: no |
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| 16:16.50 | linus__^ | i'm Linus Loves |
| 16:16.51 | linus__^ | :D |
| 16:16.52 | tuv | valdyn, nullmailer is working now.. thanks for the kind help |
| 16:16.55 | Shadowcat | pipeline, treestone, TAKE THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE |
| 16:17.13 | awbassett | I have 2 gig of ram in my computer, and only 1 gig is showing up..in Dmesg it says to enable highmem support, but after reading some mailing list threads, there seems to be some controversy, can anyone explain this to me? |
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| 16:17.31 | Shadowcat | awbassett: your own kernel? |
| 16:17.46 | awbassett | no, debian kernel |
| 16:17.57 | awbassett | 2.6.16-1-486 |
| 16:17.59 | Shadowcat | does it show up in another os? |
| 16:18.03 | awbassett | yep |
| 16:18.03 | Shadowcat | such as windows? |
| 16:18.15 | Shadowcat | 486? wtf? |
| 16:18.20 | Shadowcat | you're not running the right kernel |
| 16:18.21 | awbassett | there was no 386 image |
| 16:18.45 | Shadowcat | you're supposed to be running at least 686, or even k7/k8 |
| 16:18.53 | dacu | it was for me :) |
| 16:18.59 | apecat | why won't .htaccess work? I have enabled AllowOverride All in my /etc/apache2/sites-available/default, and my apache2 is the normal 2.0.55 of debian etch... |
| 16:19.01 | Shadowcat | pick the right kernel, or if you can't pick the metapackage and let debian do it for you |
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| 16:19.05 | awbassett | i have an amd64, but im running x86 |
| 16:19.09 | Shadowcat | apecat: #apache |
| 16:19.16 | blondie | awbassett: run k7, maybe k8 |
| 16:19.17 | berndl | moin zusammen |
| 16:19.27 | Shadowcat | awbassett: again, if you can't select the right kernel, select the metapackage and let debian do it for you |
| 16:19.29 | blondie | (not sure that k8 is) |
| 16:19.35 | blondie | *what |
| 16:19.38 | berndl | hat jemand erfahrungen mit samba? |
| 16:19.43 | awbassett | k8 is amd64 |
| 16:19.47 | Shadowcat | !de |
| 16:19.47 | dpkg | i guess de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:19.52 | pollywog | is there an easy way to install a kernel newer than the stock kernel in sarge? I recall there were compiler errors when I tried it |
| 16:19.56 | Shadowcat | awbassett: so use k7, problem solved |
| 16:20.13 | unfo | pollywog: why do you want a newer kernel? |
| 16:20.25 | pollywog | I run testing on another machine and did not have compiler errors |
| 16:20.37 | pollywog | unfo: I could probably do without |
| 16:20.48 | pollywog | if I have to |
| 16:20.48 | Shadowcat | pollywog: then stop bugging us |
| 16:21.00 | Shadowcat | if you don't need a newer kernel, stick with the default sarge one |
| 16:21.02 | awbassett | Shadowcat: by kernel metapackage are you regerring to: kernel-image-2.6-386? |
| 16:21.08 | pollywog | Shadowcat: k |
| 16:21.12 | berndl | hallo ist das wer, der weis ob das samba-paket mit ACL-Unterstützung übersetzt worden ist???? |
| 16:21.19 | Shadowcat | awbassett: no, linux-image-2.6 |
| 16:21.22 | Shadowcat | or something similar |
| 16:21.23 | pvd2006 | where can you get the unstable version of debian? |
| 16:21.25 | awbassett | ah ok |
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| 16:21.31 | unfo | pvd2006: do not use unstable! |
| 16:21.35 | Shadowcat | pvd2006: if you're asking you shouldn't be running it |
| 16:21.42 | unfo | pvd2006: if you use it, we cannot support you. |
| 16:21.42 | sepski | pvd2006, if you have to ask that. then your not ready to use unstable |
| 16:21.43 | Shadowcat | !tell berndl about de |
| 16:22.01 | Shadowcat | pvd2006: if you use it we won't support you, and we'll probably bash you to no end about using it |
| 16:22.15 | azeem | Shadowcat: we hopefully won't |
| 16:22.22 | Shadowcat | hopefully won't ya |
| 16:22.29 | unfo | azeem: but we still won't support. |
| 16:22.36 | azeem | unfo: that's fine |
| 16:22.43 | mirf | how do you do a system upgrade to unstable? |
| 16:22.53 | Shadowcat | mirf: you don't |
| 16:22.53 | unfo | mirf: if you use it, we cannot support you. |
| 16:22.58 | pvd2006 | well ok, so how can you install debian without gnome and kde and just xfce? I have to manually package select correct? |
| 16:22.58 | blondie | jeez |
| 16:23.03 | mirf | ah |
| 16:23.05 | mirf | :( |
| 16:23.08 | azeem | pvd2006: yes |
| 16:23.09 | pollywog | mirf: I don't recommend a dist-upgrade to unstable |
| 16:23.09 | berndl | thnx |
| 16:23.12 | vin` | unfo: who's we? |
| 16:23.22 | Shadowcat | vin`: just about every regular in here |
| 16:23.23 | azeem | vin`: most of the regulars in here |
| 16:23.25 | mirf | well my soundcard doesn't appear to be in alsaconf |
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| 16:23.28 | pollywog | mirf: doesn't testing work for ya? |
| 16:23.31 | Shadowcat | or semi-knowlegable person who knows how to run instable |
| 16:23.37 | Shadowcat | unstable* |
| 16:23.38 | mirf | pollywog, I don't know |
| 16:23.39 | unfo | pollywog: youre recommending testing to mirf? |
| 16:23.49 | azeem | you cannot expect the regulars to do support for unstable, but you might be lucky and get specific questions answered |
| 16:23.54 | pollywog | unfo: not for production machine |
| 16:24.01 | pollywog | I use it on a second machine |
| 16:24.04 | Shadowcat | azeem: oh ya, libasound2 broke arts |
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| 16:24.07 | unfo | pollywog: oh. |
| 16:24.10 | pollywog | sarge on my main machine |
| 16:24.10 | Wizzzzo | hey guys where do i change localhost.localdomain to sensors.ccdevelopments.com |
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| 16:24.25 | pvd2006 | What are the base packages to install to get a fairly good desktop going in debian? Is there a site that lists like the core packages that most people would use for a desktop or something similar? |
| 16:24.25 | Shadowcat | Wizzzzo: /etc/hostname |
| 16:24.27 | mirf | pollywog, you use sarge, right - alsa, jackd? |
| 16:24.33 | Wizzzzo | ok thanks.. |
| 16:24.38 | azeem | pvd2006: `desktop' is abstract |
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| 16:24.44 | unfo | pvd2006: I always install debian base only, then I use apt-get to add stuff. |
| 16:24.52 | pollywog | mirf: I use alsa and I get jackd errors when I use Opera |
| 16:24.58 | azeem | pvd2006: install the desktop task if you want, or x-window-system plus your favourite desktop/window-manager |
| 16:24.58 | mirf | humm |
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| 16:25.13 | pollywog | but I get the jackd errors on testing |
| 16:25.16 | mirf | pollywog, so far I cna't get alsa playing, and I don't want to use jackd with oss |
| 16:25.17 | Wizzzzo | Shadowcat will mail me@home.com < /var/log/auth.log still work then ? |
| 16:25.24 | pvd2006 | azeem so thats all you need to do, dont you need also like core-utils and such |
| 16:25.36 | Shadowcat | Wizzzzo: not sure |
| 16:25.38 | azeem | pvd2006: those are part of base |
| 16:25.42 | pvd2006 | ahh ok |
| 16:25.45 | pvd2006 | thanks |
| 16:25.48 | pvd2006 | ill go try it out |
| 16:25.50 | mirf | 2.4.27-2-386 latest kernel on sarge? |
| 16:25.55 | Shadowcat | !tell pvd2006 about scroll |
| 16:25.57 | unfo | !tell pvd2006 about enter |
| 16:25.57 | azeem | pvd2006: aptitude will install all `standard' priority packages for you if you run it I think |
| 16:25.59 | blondie | don't put your domain in /etc/hostname |
| 16:26.00 | pollywog | ALSA seems to work for me on Sarge, no jackd |
| 16:26.10 | Wizzzzo | Shadowcat right now my isp is refuseing because localdomain does not exist |
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| 16:26.23 | blondie | domain goes in /etc/hosts |
| 16:26.24 | pvd2006 | btw xfce4 is on the list for sarge stable right? |
| 16:26.24 | Wizzzzo | blondie ? |
| 16:26.36 | treestone | blondie: Err.. no. |
| 16:26.36 | Shadowcat | pvd2006: here's an idea, check yourself |
| 16:26.41 | azeem | pvd2006: see packages.debian.org for that kind of information |
| 16:26.45 | azeem | pvd2006: (I think it is) |
| 16:26.47 | Wizzzzo | hmmm |
| 16:26.52 | awbassett | Shadowcat: thanks for helping me. I also forgot to tell you only 1 gig of ram was showing up in the 2.6.8-386 kernel |
| 16:26.53 | Wizzzzo | ok now i am confused |
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| 16:26.58 | blondie | treestone: errr. yes |
| 16:26.59 | dooglus | azeem: what is this 'base' of which you speak? |
| 16:27.04 | awbassett | Shadowcat: but everything works now under 2.6.16 |
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| 16:27.21 | Shadowcat | awbassett: again, if you don't know how to select the right kernel, let debain do it for you |
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| 16:27.28 | azeem | dooglus: for the current discussion, "the base system" |
| 16:27.42 | awbassett | Shadowcat: no I do, I was just drunk last night |
| 16:27.45 | awbassett | :) |
| 16:27.49 | azeem | i.e., what you get from d-i without selecting any tasks (possibly without the standard stuff if you're unlucky) |
| 16:27.52 | Shadowcat | that's no excuse |
| 16:27.54 | dooglus | azeem: is that a meta-package? or what is it? |
| 16:27.57 | blondie | you should have just your hostname in /etc/hostname, and a line like this in /etc/hosts: <ip address> <hostname>.<domain> <hostname> |
| 16:28.06 | Wizzzzo | Shadowcat thats not the right place for that |
| 16:28.10 | pvd2006 | ok it is in there thanks |
| 16:28.10 | azeem | dooglus: no, it is everything of Priority: standard or higher |
| 16:28.11 | treestone | blondie: FQDN goes into /etc/hostname, because the 'hostname' command is supposed to return FQDN. And /etc/hostname is read by /etc/init.d/hostname.sh |
| 16:28.11 | Jacobo221 | hi, if i install debian from the net iso using "linux24" everything goes great, but if i attempt to boot the installation with "linux26" they keyboard doesn't work, thus i cannot install it |
| 16:28.24 | azeem | Jacobo221: boot the installation? |
| 16:28.25 | dooglus | azeem: oh, I see. is there a command to install those packages? |
| 16:28.25 | blondie | treestone: hostname isn't meant to return the fqdn |
| 16:28.37 | azeem | dooglus: as I said, I think aptitude installs them automatically |
| 16:28.42 | Shadowcat | Jacobo221: etch? |
| 16:28.43 | dooglus | azeem: I don't use aptitude |
| 16:28.47 | Wizzzzo | hostname is correct it is machine name before the local domain' |
| 16:28.56 | azeem | dooglus: or just make aptitude/dselect/synaptic sort by priority and select all of them until standard |
| 16:29.00 | mirf | pollywog, which sound card are you using? |
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| 16:29.08 | Jacobo221 | azeem: yes |
| 16:29.12 | treestone | blondie: It most certainly is. 'hostname -s' is for getting the short name. |
| 16:29.17 | Jacobo221 | Shadowcat: yes |
| 16:29.20 | pollywog | mirf: onboard VIA |
| 16:29.23 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 16:29.27 | Shadowcat | Jacobo221: are you using a dialy build? |
| 16:29.30 | blondie | treestone: no, hostname --fqdn is for returning the fqdn |
| 16:29.33 | tuv | Jacobo221, i had to disable some usb option in the bios to get the keyboard working on a 2.6 kernel |
| 16:29.50 | Shadowcat | azeem: we really need to create #debian-desktop and #debian-server on the new irc network |
| 16:29.51 | Jacobo221 | Shadowcat: i'm trying to install debian from he net cd iso at the debian.org download site |
| 16:29.59 | mirf | pollywog, cool, my onboard via is detected and lovely |
| 16:30.00 | azeem | Shadowcat: as end user chans? |
| 16:30.01 | Shadowcat | so we can split the server related questions from the desktop ones |
| 16:30.05 | azeem | hrm |
| 16:30.06 | mynullvoid | amavis - how can I change the FROM email name it defaultly shows from Content-filter at localhost.localdomain |
| 16:30.11 | Shadowcat | Jacobo221: again, are you using a daily build or not? |
| 16:30.16 | mirf | pollywog, my PCI soundcard doens't appear to work |
| 16:30.20 | Jacobo221 | tuv: which options? do you remember? |
| 16:30.28 | Wizzzzo | mynullvoid that is my same exact problem also |
| 16:30.31 | Shadowcat | azeem: mostly because -desktop usually defaults to testing/unstable, while server people se stable |
| 16:30.48 | pollywog | mirf: I only see occasional jackd errors on the machine running etch but sound works anyway |
| 16:30.52 | Shadowcat | use* |
| 16:30.56 | Jacobo221 | Shadowcat: i'm using 3.1r2 |
| 16:30.58 | tuv | Jacobo221, bios options are different from machine ot another, but mine, iirc, was usb legacy support or so |
| 16:30.59 | Wizzzzo | treestone how would i fix ? |
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| 16:31.06 | azeem | Shadowcat: that might fragment the regular brainpool |
| 16:31.08 | treestone | Wizzzzo: What? |
| 16:31.09 | pollywog | Someone told me how to fix the jack errors I think he told me to just disable jackd |
| 16:31.12 | Shadowcat | Jacobo221: ok that's Sarge then |
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| 16:31.15 | Jacobo221 | tuv: ok, i'll try with that then |
| 16:31.18 | mynullvoid | Wizzzzo: I am using amavis-new 2.4.0-1 |
| 16:31.25 | Shadowcat | azeem: but it's more managable than 800 people in one chan |
| 16:31.26 | Jacobo221 | Shadowcat: oh, yes, sorry :S |
| 16:31.35 | Shadowcat | I can hardly keep up with all the scrolling as it is |
| 16:31.38 | Wizzzzo | treestone when i mail wizard@ponyexpressmail.com < /var/log/auth.log |
| 16:31.44 | Wizzzzo | i get refuses |
| 16:31.44 | azeem | Shadowcat: yeah, there's pro and con for that, I forwarded your comment |
| 16:31.48 | superlinux | hello |
| 16:31.53 | Shadowcat | thanks azeem |
| 16:31.54 | treestone | Wizzzzo: No idea. |
| 16:31.56 | Wizzzzo | localhost.localdomain rejected |
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| 16:32.09 | Wizzzzo | its only seeing local host.localdomain |
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| 16:32.13 | pollywog | I can't believe how fast Sarge installed, like 30 minutes I think |
| 16:32.26 | pollywog | Debian used to take all night to install ;) |
| 16:32.46 | Wizzzzo | pollywog mine took 20 min |
| 16:32.46 | chealer9 | pollywog: I timed it once to 15 min |
| 16:32.49 | Wizzzzo | no giuu thou |
| 16:32.50 | Vasistha | pollywog: when was that, that it took all night? |
| 16:33.11 | pollywog | just 2 yrs ago |
| 16:33.14 | mirf | netinstall for me took 2 hours |
| 16:33.23 | pollywog | I used a netinstall |
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| 16:33.44 | pollywog | I have a slow DSL or I think it would have been even faster |
| 16:33.49 | tuv | thanks to the no-gui d-i, you install debian on nslu2 (cannot have a screen) over ssh |
| 16:33.56 | Vasistha | pollywog: so I guess the biggest boon here is faster dsl than two years ago, huh? |
| 16:34.05 | pollywog | no my dsl is the same |
| 16:34.15 | pollywog | the improvement has to be the installer |
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| 16:34.50 | pollywog | now if only it could autodetect my second hd ;) |
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| 16:35.07 | Jacobo221 | Shadowcat: so, any guess about the problem with the keyuboard on the sarge r2 installation with linux26? |
| 16:35.10 | Vasistha | could some of that time improvement just be your own proficiency improved over the last two years? |
| 16:35.20 | mynullvoid | pollywog: fdisk -l |
| 16:35.29 | pollywog | Vasistha: I doubt that |
| 16:35.36 | pollywog | mynullvoid: thanks |
| 16:35.40 | mynullvoid | pollywog: it will show you the drive |
| 16:35.44 | dooglus | where can I find a list of the package priorities, in order? |
| 16:35.56 | mynullvoid | pollywog: then edit your fstab |
| 16:35.58 | pollywog | mynullvoid: I then edit my fstab using that info? |
| 16:36.00 | pollywog | k thanks |
| 16:36.04 | dooglus | "standard or higher" - what does the include? |
| 16:36.28 | azeem | dooglus: as I said, easiest is to browse dselect or synaptic or something |
| 16:36.36 | azeem | dooglus: or use grep-dctrl or so |
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| 16:37.25 | dooglus | azeem: I don't know how to use those things. |
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| 16:37.46 | azeem | dooglus: synaptic is pretty self-explaining |
| 16:37.57 | azeem | dooglus: otherwise, look up their documentation, if you really care about it |
| 16:37.59 | dooglus | azeem: I don't know how to get it to work in the console though |
| 16:38.11 | azeem | dooglus: synaptic needs X |
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| 16:38.20 | _Juan_ | buenas |
| 16:38.24 | dooglus | azeem: X isn't standard or higher, surely? |
| 16:38.28 | azeem | dooglus: no |
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| 16:38.40 | dooglus | azeem: so neither is synaptic, I guess. |
| 16:38.47 | azeem | dooglus: I didn't say it was |
| 16:38.53 | azeem | I said it might tell you more easily what is |
| 16:38.57 | dooglus | ok. that narrows it down a bit then |
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| 16:39.17 | dooglus | synaptic is 'optional', so that's not higher than standard. |
| 16:39.25 | azeem | dooglus: what are you talking abotu? |
| 16:40.28 | dooglus | azeem: I'm trying to find out the ordering of the priorities extra important optional required and standard. you used the word 'higher', which lead me to think there was an ordering on them. is that right? |
| 16:40.33 | Vasistha | _Juan_: buena. If you've got a question to ask in english, go ahead and just ask. For spanish, you'll be better off in #debian-es |
| 16:40.40 | azeem | dooglus: yes |
| 16:40.55 | mynullvoid | Wizzzzo: Ok I had changed the amavis FROM; check your /usr/sbin/amavisd-new |
| 16:40.59 | dooglus | azeem: is the order documented somewhere? |
| 16:41.07 | azeem | dooglus: I guess, maybe in policy |
| 16:41.08 | _Juan_ | i want to add a new user manually, and i need to knows howto encode the password for put it into the /etc/shadow |
| 16:41.17 | mynullvoid | md5 |
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| 16:41.49 | treestone | _Juan_: Just use 'adduser user' for the user. You can set/change password later with 'passwd user' |
| 16:41.50 | pollywog | mynullvoid: thanks, the second drive mounts now |
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| 16:41.56 | dooglus | azeem: what do you mean by 'policy'? is that a package? or a man page? |
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| 16:42.11 | azeem | dooglus: it's both a document and a package |
| 16:42.22 | Faithful | Hey I got a shell script that sets a bunch of env variables but the don't export outside the script... what's the go? |
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| 16:42.37 | azeem | dooglus: however, I am getting tired of this discussion, I don't think the priorities are particularly relevant to users |
| 16:42.37 | Faithful | s/the/they |
| 16:42.52 | davidh | hi there; need help for my power shutdown |
| 16:42.52 | Vasistha | _Juan_: some reason you can't use the adduser command? |
| 16:43.14 | davidh | any expert on this? |
| 16:43.18 | Vasistha | davidh: do you know if you're using apm or acpi ? |
| 16:43.37 | davidh | Vasistha: No. But how do I find out |
| 16:43.38 | dooglus | azeem: I want to have the base system installed. that means installing everything with priority standard or higher. I'm wanting to know what this 'higher' means |
| 16:43.50 | treestone | Faithful: What do you mean? Do you want to run the script, and afterwards those variables will be set, as seen from your shell? Or is it that other stuff executed by that script should see the variables? |
| 16:43.51 | Vasistha | Faithful: you can try using the export function, export $VARNAME |
| 16:44.06 | azeem | dooglus: everything which is not optional or extra |
| 16:44.15 | dooglus | thanks. |
| 16:44.17 | Vasistha | davidh: well you can: ps aux | grep -e '((apm)|(acpi))' |
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| 16:44.41 | Faithful | well, I don't understand why the variables do not export outside the script itself |
| 16:44.44 | davidh | What happens in my debian dell PC (P3), when it shutdowns, I hear a clicking noise, but power still remains on |
| 16:44.45 | Vasistha | davidh: that'll tell you if something is already running... the other way is ls /proc/apm* /proc/acpi |
| 16:44.54 | Faithful | please enlighten |
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| 16:45.06 | treestone | Faithful: Again, explain what you're trying to do. What do you mean by 'outside the script'. |
| 16:45.25 | Vasistha | Faithful: I'm not 100% sure why, but my understanding is the default behavior in bash is not to export, but if you want to export, you have to export them explicitly with 'export' |
| 16:45.44 | davidh | Vasistha: open a flood channel |
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| 16:45.51 | Sjusi | hey |
| 16:46.04 | davidh | Vasistha: tell me when you are ready |
| 16:46.31 | Vasistha | davidh: oh, I don't need to see all the files, I'm more interested to know: which ones exist? apm or acpi? |
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| 16:47.07 | Sjusi | i have a wifi usb thingy i got everything installed but when i come to configuring it more precis definding the essid with "iwconfig rausb0 essid Humpa" nothing happends |
| 16:47.10 | Faithful | Ok I have a script that is supposed to set a bunch of shell variables... but even though they are exported in the script... they don't appear in the env after running the script |
| 16:47.49 | unko | Vasistha: I'm interested in the opposite feature (automatically restart from a shutdown (power off)) |
| 16:48.14 | Sjusi | how can if define my SSID for my wireless network??? |
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| 16:48.17 | rocio | if I zip -rm ../test/dirtozip.zip ../test/dirtozip I got in ../test/ a file dirtozip.zip which is what I want but when I unzip it, it does not contains the content of dirtozip but a dir named test and inside my dirtozip ! what do I do wrong ? Must I cd in the dir test before zipping ? |
| 16:48.32 | treestone | Faithful: You must a) use 'export variable' (or 'export variable=value'), then use '.' to run the script: " . myscriptname.sh". You can't use 'sh myscriptname' or ./myscriptname.sh |
| 16:48.35 | Vasistha | unko: that's really going to be dependent upon your bios. I've got this one computer... if you plug an ethernet cable in, it turns itself on. Can't figure out how to disable that "featuer" |
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| 16:49.30 | Vasistha | davidh: ah, okay, so you have a /proc/apm file, but you are not running the apmd (d is for daemon) |
| 16:49.45 | itc | hello, anybody can help me restrict users to their homedir only ? |
| 16:50.15 | rocio | itc: in what type of connection ? |
| 16:50.35 | davidh | Vasistha: tell me what to do |
| 16:50.46 | Faithful | treestone: yes exactly... that's how it is ... in for instance... the script contains export D=`pwd' but after running the script I do not see the variable in the exports |
| 16:50.47 | Vasistha | davidh: what kernel are you using? uname -r |
| 16:50.54 | itc | rocio ssh, I don;t understand the q |
| 16:51.14 | davidh | Vasistha: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 16:51.21 | rocio | itc: it all depends the shell they used |
| 16:51.21 | treestone | Faithful: You must 'source' the script, not execute it. In bash/sh you usually use '. scriptname' (that's a dot) |
| 16:51.25 | Vasistha | Faithful: but did you use the '. script' syntax? |
| 16:51.44 | Faithful | ah....! |
| 16:51.51 | Faithful | not ./script ??? |
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| 16:52.18 | Vasistha | davidh: alright, just like me, that makes it easy ;-) So first we need to get the apmd into your rc area |
| 16:52.24 | Faithful | silly howto... said to ./script |
| 16:52.26 | itc | rocio they are using bash, I tried the rbash version, it' ok but thet cannot change dir from their homedir, like ~/www , ONLY ~/ |
| 16:52.51 | treestone | Faithful: No, because that starts a new shell which terminates afterwards, and variables can only be set and inherited (not given back to an earlier shell, like your login shell). That's why you must tell your current shell to read the file, not execute it. |
| 16:52.51 | davidh | Vasistha: Do you mean that I need to install apmd package? |
| 16:52.59 | dooglus | Faithful: it said ". ./script" I expect. that would work |
| 16:53.16 | Vasistha | davidh: you might, if you don't have it. as root, 'which apmd' |
| 16:53.19 | rocio | itc I am not sure to understand what you want to do |
| 16:53.25 | Sjusi | when i do "iwconfig rausb0 essid hump" the essid if rausb0 dosent change any one that can help me set the freaking essid? |
| 16:54.19 | rocio | itc: user do need to have access to some part of your system like /usr/bin for ex, if you don't want them to see the content of the rest of the /home partition then chmod-R o-r /home |
| 16:54.22 | Vasistha | Sjusi: I don't have a lot of experience with this, but I can say that my essid says "wireless_essid" rather than just "essid" |
| 16:54.33 | davidh | Vasistha: nothing shows up by `which apmd` |
| 16:54.41 | davidh | so I'll run aptitude |
| 16:54.46 | Vasistha | very good ;-) |
| 16:54.48 | itc | rocio I want user to be unable to enter in /etc, /var, /, etc, just their homedir |
| 16:55.00 | treestone | Sjusi: Depending on drivers it happens that if it doesn't change it simply means it can't associate (too low signal level, any other problem) |
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| 16:55.12 | rocio | itc: you won't manage that |
| 16:55.17 | Vasistha | davidh: when you do that, it just might automatically put it into your sysVinit |
| 16:55.34 | Sjusi | treestone, oh thx |
| 16:55.41 | unko | Vasistha: is there any trick to make a UPS recover a shutdown server? |
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| 16:56.00 | rocio | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.02 | maxxle | There was link on a howto recover the apt-Database in the faq somewhere. But I can't find the link. Anybody an Idea where I can find it? |
| 16:56.12 | Vasistha | unko: hmm, well if you've got a ups, hopefully the server shouldn't shut down in the first place, right? I don't really know, I have no experience with UPS |
| 16:56.14 | ootput | anyone know whether agnula/demudi is based on testing or stable? |
| 16:56.17 | davidh | Vasistha: Just a second. aptitude wants me to removw atftpd. Is there any way to get around? I need atftpd still |
| 16:56.41 | Vasistha | davidh: don't use aptitude, because it's misconfigured |
| 16:56.52 | mirf | yeah aptitude is crazy |
| 16:56.54 | itc | rocio that is why I need to restrict only specific users, the rbash thing is kind of great |
| 16:57.07 | Vasistha | davidh: if you ever use aptitude, you have to use it exclusively -- because if you ever apt-get something, it won't be in aptitude's database, and it will want to remove it |
| 16:57.13 | rocio | itc: the trick would be to allow them a sftp session but with only with some shell that can allow a chroot of the users |
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| 16:57.38 | davidh | Vasistha: So what should I do? |
| 16:57.43 | Vasistha | davidh: if you decide later you want to configure and use aptitude, you can probably get it all set up. For now, just use apt-get |
| 16:57.46 | itc | well on ftp I already did that but I need this on ssh |
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| 16:57.54 | Sjusi | treestone, the signal is power full enuff |
| 16:57.54 | Faithful | dooglus: you are quite correct... but me not knowing bash that well I didn't see the . ./ |
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| 16:58.22 | treestone | Sjusi: Then I don't know. If signal is ok and your essid (and key, if you use wep) is correct then it should work. |
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| 16:58.49 | Sjusi | it worked 2 days ago :/ |
| 16:58.52 | ootput | do any of you own a thinkpad x40-1? |
| 16:58.54 | unko | Vasistha: ok, I haven't got a UPS till now; anyway, my scenario is a prolonged black-out when my UPS runs out of power. In this case I'd like to politely shutdown my server, and lately automatically restart when power supply comes back. |
| 16:58.58 | ootput | with debian installed? |
| 16:59.03 | rocio | itc: http://mail.incredimail.com/howto/openssh/addons/sftp-chroot.howto.txt |
| 16:59.08 | azeem | ootput: rather ask specific questions |
| 16:59.24 | ootput | azeem: naturally |
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| 16:59.55 | davidh | Vasistha: I think that it in installed. Is that it? |
| 17:00.01 | Vasistha | unko: sounds reasonable! have you read any UPS howtos? It sounds tricky, as I'm not sure how common it is for a bios to support a power-on originating from the serial cable |
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| 17:00.09 | davidh | Do I shutdown and see? |
| 17:00.13 | Vasistha | davidh: yeah, well, we might have a little more to do. |
| 17:00.31 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello, i hope i cna still get some help writing the debian init.d script, i need an script that runs an command, and when that programs gets killedit shoul respawn it with the command |
| 17:00.38 | davidh | Vasistha: I'll shuwdown and com back online |
| 17:00.45 | Vasistha | davidh: wait a sec |
| 17:00.46 | treestone | unko: UPS systems will usually be able to signal the computer through either rs232 or network, and the OS can do a clean shutdown. But I haven't used that so I don't know about Linux support. I would imagine it's there though. |
| 17:00.53 | davidh | Vasistha: ok |
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| 17:01.04 | davidh | Vasistha: see flood |
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| 17:01.15 | unko | Vasistha: mmh... I'm a lazy boy (bad thing, I know soo well!) ;-D |
| 17:01.36 | Vasistha | davidh: ahha, it's already running. sure, why not, give it a shot! |
| 17:02.00 | rocio | itc rssh does the job for you, user you want to restrict have only access to this shell and it will chroot them to their home dir |
| 17:02.01 | unko | treestone: nice hint! I'll go deep inside the UPS matter... |
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| 17:02.30 | rocio | itc: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/rssh |
| 17:02.41 | Vasistha | DJ-Marcuzz: sounds like what you need is a daemon (to monitor and re-spawn) |
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| 17:03.20 | DJ-Marcuzz | Vasistha, could you help me get/configure such a thing? |
| 17:03.26 | dooglus | Faithful: if you're interested, what happens when you run "./script" is the current shell makes a new process, runs the script in the new process, and waits for the new process to end before returning control to you. so the variables got set up in a new shell, but the new shell died before you saw the next shell prompt, taking the variables settings with it. |
| 17:03.27 | Eulex | Vasistha, sounds like what he needs is stable software. |
| 17:03.38 | rocio | itc: is that what you wanted ? |
| 17:03.38 | Vasistha | DJ-Marcuzz: probably not, I have no idea how this is done! |
| 17:04.18 | Vasistha | Eulex: heh, well who knows what it is he's trying to do, it might be expected behavior |
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| 17:05.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | Eulex, software is stable, but i need this becaus its striped from another methode, so please help me make such a thing, becaus putting it in inittab aint the smartest idear i think |
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| 17:05.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | Vasistha, it is expected behavior ;) i configured to shut it self down, but i needs to get started after that ;) |
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| 17:06.30 | Vasistha | DJ-Marcuzz: I don't have any programming experience with daemons, but I can think of a couple ways to do it |
| 17:06.39 | Vasistha | davidh: hey, so what's the news? |
| 17:06.51 | davidh | Vasistha: Fan still remains on |
| 17:07.09 | davidh | Vasistha: I heard the clicking, but seems still on |
| 17:07.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | Vasistha, that would look like the following, but that cnat be stoped, so i cnat implent it in a startup service :-/ |
| 17:07.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | while true 1;do Xvnc :1 -query localhost -once -geometry 1024x768 -depth 24;done |
| 17:07.26 | Vasistha | davidh: what do you mean "seems"... is there video output? |
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| 17:07.54 | rocio | why do zip test.zip test will create a file that has the sme size ? it just stores but don't compress, any idea ? |
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| 17:08.10 | davidh | Vasistha: I expect that machine completely quiet, but fan is still on |
| 17:08.20 | Vasistha | rocio: could be it's already compressed as well as zip can compress :P |
| 17:08.22 | treestone | rocio: You can't compress anything that's compressed already. |
| 17:08.46 | Vasistha | davidh: did the apmd make any difference at all? because we still haven't checked kernel parameters in grub/lilo |
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| 17:08.53 | rocio | treestone:, Vasistha I have jpeg files in it but they are not compress AFAIK |
| 17:08.58 | catalinux | DJ-Marcuzz: echo while :; do ps a | grep <daemon> | grep -v grep || <daemon>; sleep 1; done > /etc/init.d/<daemon> |
| 17:09.02 | davidh | Vasistha: not yet |
| 17:09.09 | treestone | rocio: jpeg is all about compression.. |
| 17:09.10 | Vasistha | rocio: jpeg is already compressed, zip is not going to compress them any more |
| 17:09.13 | Aim_Here | jpegs are already fairly well compressed |
| 17:09.29 | Vasistha | davidh: alright, grub or lilo |
| 17:09.32 | rocio | ok,thanks |
| 17:09.51 | davidh | Vasistha: grub |
| 17:10.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | wow wow catalinux, slow down, i think it should have an start stop option or whats happaning there? |
| 17:10.14 | Vasistha | davidh: alright, grep kernel /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:10.15 | rocio | Vasistha: but now why zip ../test/dir.zip ../test/dir will create a dir.zip that contains test/ ? |
| 17:10.42 | catalinux | DJ-Marcuzz: the idea is that, put the switches there |
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| 17:11.16 | Vasistha | rocio: I don't understand your question. Do you not want the zip file to contain the embedded path? |
| 17:11.27 | davidh | Vasistha: see flood |
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| 17:12.00 | Vasistha | davidh: okay, so you just need to add the line apm=on to the kernel parameters ... actually my line says acpi=off noacpi apm=power_off |
| 17:12.12 | Vasistha | davidh: but I've been led to believe that a simple apm=on should do it |
| 17:12.37 | Vasistha | davidh: yeah, I think I technically still have windoze on this machine, but I haven't booted it this year... hehheh |
| 17:12.44 | sortadi | Vasistha: which one would you recommend for laptops, ACPI or APM? |
| 17:12.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | catalinux, could you help me complete the script, the command is: Xvnc :1 -query localhost -once -geometry 1024x768 -depth 24 -httpport 2211 -desktop Remote -httpd /usr/share/tightvnc-java and it should execute it again when that Xvnc is killed |
| 17:12.47 | davidh | Vasistha: to what file, what line |
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| 17:12.59 | redphoenix1 | i have a bluetooth keyboard but i have to do a command every time to get it to work how would i get the keyboard to be connected at boot so i can use it at dm login |
| 17:13.06 | catalinux | DJ-Marcuzz: yep |
| 17:13.25 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok catalinux, that would be great :D |
| 17:13.31 | Vasistha | davidh: to /boot/grub/menu.lst on the kernel lines, after 'ro' or 'single' -- at the end of the 'kernel /boot/vmlinuz...' lines |
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| 17:14.01 | Vasistha | sortadi: depends on your laptop. |
| 17:14.07 | catalinux | DJ-Marcuzz: please wait a second |
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| 17:14.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok catalinux |
| 17:14.17 | Vasistha | !hardware |
| 17:14.18 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 17:14.22 | sortadi | Vasistha: on which aspects it depends? |
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| 17:14.28 | Vasistha | sortadi: ^^^ check for apm/acpi support for your lappy |
| 17:14.38 | m1ke_l | can i tell where apt-get install puts files from a certain app? |
| 17:14.47 | sortadi | Vasistha: my lappy is a very peculiar one ;-) |
| 17:14.49 | m1ke_l | ie unixodbc goes where when installed? |
| 17:14.49 | treestone | m1ke_l: dpkg -L app |
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| 17:14.55 | m1ke_l | thanks |
| 17:14.56 | Vasistha | sortadi: oh, also /msg dpkg laptop |
| 17:14.56 | Aim_Here | synaptic will tell you what files it puts where too |
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| 17:15.10 | Vasistha | sortadi: heh, my laptop is 7 years old ;-) |
| 17:15.14 | treestone | m1ke_l: nb: that's after it's installed.. |
| 17:15.23 | m1ke_l | -L doesn't work |
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| 17:15.32 | m1ke_l | sorry |
| 17:15.32 | treestone | m1ke_l: see above.. |
| 17:15.34 | sortadi | Vasistha: my laptop is a venezuelan assembled one ;-) |
| 17:15.36 | setog3 | apt-get install webmin don't work ? webmin isn't in debian ? |
| 17:15.38 | m1ke_l | i did apt-get!! |
| 17:15.46 | Vasistha | sortadi: whoo... you'll probably be safer with apm |
| 17:15.48 | m1ke_l | very nice...thanks |
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| 17:16.13 | setog3 | dpkg: webmin |
| 17:16.14 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 17:16.31 | davidh | Vasistha: see you a few minutes, power down... |
| 17:16.42 | itc | can I make rbash to alow some specific directories? |
| 17:16.47 | sortadi | Vasistha: my main reason for wanting to change is that i get a ACPI error when pluging a videobeam into the external monitor laptop's output |
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| 17:17.12 | treestone | setog3: apt-cache search webmin. Or any other app. Either you find something, or you don't.. |
| 17:17.30 | Vasistha | sortadi: yeah? hmm. I know that I haven't gotten live external monitor plugins working properly yet, I don't know if it might be an acpi issue (I'm using apm, maybe apm doesn't support it) |
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| 17:18.02 | unko | . |
| 17:18.06 | Vasistha | sortadi: I'd say that if you're having acpi troubles, apm is worth a shot. apm won't give you temperature and other sensor readouts |
| 17:18.09 | unko | apropos of cordless keyboards... |
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| 17:18.16 | Vasistha | unko: yay! |
| 17:18.16 | pvd2006 | There weg o |
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| 17:18.20 | JoelR | Hello.. i had a problem when i did an aptitude dist-upgrade in my laptop, here is the log: http://201.243.224.157/apache2-default/log.txt anyone know what could i do? |
| 17:18.21 | sortadi | Vasistha: i don't care about temperatures |
| 17:18.30 | sortadi | Vasistha: all i want is my videobeam to work propperly |
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| 17:18.45 | blondie | what's a videobeam? |
| 17:18.47 | sortadi | Vasistha: wihtout having to turn off acpi before doing any live presentation |
| 17:18.55 | Vasistha | sortadi: hmmm. well... give apm a shot, although that sounds like it could be a difficult problem |
| 17:19.01 | setog3 | treestone: dpkg (the bot) say to me that webmin isn't currently in debian for security reseon .. |
| 17:19.10 | Vasistha | sortadi: oh, does it work properly if you turn acpi off first?? |
| 17:19.13 | treestone | setog3: There you are then.. |
| 17:19.15 | pvd2006 | I just installed debian and I setup my display with the simple option with 17inch monitor and chose via for my driver(I think I messed up on that part) so now im in console and x wont start. Is there a utility to change the config? |
| 17:19.15 | DJ-Marcuzz | catalinux, watch out that im gonna copy the script, one on display :1 and one on :2 i don't know if it will kill both then ;) i hope not :P |
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| 17:19.21 | sortadi | Vasistha: yes it works smoothly |
| 17:19.22 | blondie | setog3: good |
| 17:19.24 | rohan | can someone onfirm for me that alsa is broken in sid atm ? (kde, amarok, mpd, mplayer all of them wont work) |
| 17:19.27 | bkudria | .msg dpkg nvidia |
| 17:19.30 | blondie | sortadi: what's a videobeam? |
| 17:19.32 | bkudria | oops |
| 17:19.34 | Vasistha | dpkg's webmin entry should have a suggestion of what to use instead... |
| 17:19.40 | jetscreamer | !tell pvd2006 -about drxx |
| 17:19.44 | setog3 | treestone: rohan I confirm |
| 17:19.45 | sortadi | blondie: a videobeam is a videoprojector |
| 17:19.46 | Vasistha | sortadi: in that case, I'd say try apm! do you need help doing so? |
| 17:19.54 | jetscreamer | !current alsa fix |
| 17:19.54 | dpkg | wget ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/libasound2_1.0.11-4_$(dpkg --print-architecture).deb |
| 17:19.56 | rohan | setog3: thanks, and any known fixes |
| 17:19.59 | sortadi | Vasistha: i could do with a little help |
| 17:20.02 | redphoenix1 | how would i go about getting bluetooth to start at boot so i can use my bluetooth keyboard at gdm login |
| 17:20.03 | redphoenix1 | ?? |
| 17:20.05 | sortadi | Vasistha: if you don't mind |
| 17:20.05 | rohan | ah, thanks |
| 17:20.06 | blondie | sortadi: please use english :) |
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| 17:20.11 | pvd2006 | im on irssi not sure how to goto dpkg |
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| 17:20.18 | blondie | pvd2006: /msg dpkg |
| 17:20.21 | blondie | erm |
| 17:20.28 | blondie | /query dpkg |
| 17:20.29 | jetscreamer | pvd2006: window next |
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| 17:20.35 | Vasistha | sortadi: yeah... I'm a little busy, but I will help you, it'll just be slow ;-) |
| 17:20.36 | sortadi | blondie: it is one of those devices you use for doing live presentations an such |
| 17:20.37 | jetscreamer | /window next |
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| 17:20.49 | blondie | sortadi: yes but videobeam isn't an English word o.o |
| 17:20.51 | sortadi | Vasistha: thanks i'll let you know when i have my laptop on |
| 17:20.52 | jetscreamer | !drxx pvd2006 |
| 17:20.52 | dpkg | pvd2006: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:21.00 | sortadi | blondie: i am not native speaker |
| 17:21.04 | rohan | and then i install that package i suppose ? (lol) |
| 17:21.13 | jetscreamer | yeah dpkg -i it |
| 17:21.18 | jetscreamer | if you mean the alsa |
| 17:21.24 | davidh | Vasistha: AT the end of shutdown, bottom of screen says `power down` and then nothing happens |
| 17:21.43 | sortadi | davidh: that's telling you to do it manually |
| 17:22.08 | blondie | no it's not |
| 17:22.09 | Vasistha | davidh: yeah, I'm familiar with that. well, you know that after putting that line into grub, you need to start the system with that kernel parameter being passed -- and afterwards, that kernel's shut down (should) work |
| 17:22.10 | sortadi | davidh: that happens when you turn acpi off |
| 17:22.17 | davidh | sortadi: I want to do automatically |
| 17:22.28 | Vasistha | davidh: so perhaps you need to shut down one more time? or did you already do so twice? |
| 17:22.49 | Vasistha | sortadi: it's possible to power down with APM, mine does it |
| 17:22.55 | jetscreamer | man somebody else was in here complaining about that error and i told him his xine must be messed ou or codecs. then i did an upgrade and got the same error |
| 17:23.06 | sortadi | Vasistha: automatically, like with ACPI? |
| 17:23.13 | Vasistha | sortadi: absolutely |
| 17:23.26 | sortadi | Vasistha: then i need to give apm a try urgently |
| 17:23.28 | davidh | Vasistha: apm=on or apmd=on? |
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| 17:23.31 | Vasistha | sortadi: I've set a couple laptops up like that |
| 17:23.40 | sortadi | Vasistha: modern laptops? |
| 17:23.44 | jetscreamer | davidh: i've heard tell that that could be the result of buggy apm implementation in bios |
| 17:23.48 | jetscreamer | but i don't knwo |
| 17:23.51 | davidh | Vasistha: power down again..., see you a few minutes |
| 17:24.04 | davidh | Vasistha: see flood |
| 17:24.04 | Vasistha | davidh: apm=on you can also try apm=power_off |
| 17:24.33 | DarkCow | How ready is the x86_64 port for use? |
| 17:24.37 | Vasistha | sortadi: apm and acpi implementations are both often buggy, but yeah, apm should support power off |
| 17:24.43 | DarkCow | on the testing branch |
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| 17:25.03 | davidh | Vasistha: is it ok? |
| 17:25.05 | sortadi | Vasistha: have to go have lunch ready, talk to you at a later stance |
| 17:25.11 | sortadi | Vasistha: will you be around? |
| 17:25.18 | Vasistha | davidh: it looks good, why don't you try shut down again and see if it does it ;-) |
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| 17:25.35 | Vasistha | sortadi: possibly. have you been in this channel a while? got a log? I just helped davidh set up apm |
| 17:25.49 | sortadi | Vasistha: no |
| 17:25.53 | pvd2006 | alright when I try dpkg-reconfigure xserverfree86 and xserver-xorg it says neither of them are installed. |
| 17:25.58 | sortadi | Vasistha: i just got minutes ago |
| 17:26.16 | DJ-Marcuzz | how is it going catalinux? |
| 17:26.16 | rxed | Is there a way to over ride the copy-paste behaviour in X? I especially loathe when you try to copy something over a slection just to find out that exact selection you want to over write is no in your clipboard. |
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| 17:26.18 | Vasistha | sortadi: :P oh well. I'm sure someone in here will be able to help you with apm later on, I may or may not be here |
| 17:26.32 | catalinux | it's finished |
| 17:26.53 | DJ-Marcuzz | catalinux, cool may i seE? |
| 17:27.12 | catalinux | DJ-Marcuzz: http://home.catalinux.net/script |
| 17:27.17 | Vasistha | sortadi: let's see, if you like, we can PM, and I can grep my log for the conversation, and paste it to you |
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| 17:27.33 | azeem | pvd2006: it's xserver-xfree86 |
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| 17:27.59 | catalinux | test it |
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| 17:29.15 | sortadi | Vasistha: cool, bud! thanks |
| 17:29.17 | mansu | i am trying to configure ndiswrapper on debian unstable for belkin card... ndiswrapper -l shows that the driver and hardware is installed... but modprobe ndiswrapper fails.. any pointer on how i can fix it? |
| 17:29.18 | rxed | Can I modify copy-paste behaviour in Xorg? |
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| 17:29.37 | rxed | Is that even Xorg thing? |
| 17:30.04 | pollywog | rxed I have a similar problem but I do not recall how to fix it |
| 17:30.10 | pvd2006 | hmm how can I figure out my bus identifier |
| 17:30.11 | pollywog | do you have gpm installed? |
| 17:30.16 | treestone | mansu: you say it fails, you need to be more specific. |
| 17:30.21 | pvd2006 | for my video card that is |
| 17:30.27 | beardy | pvd2006: Do you have more than one video card? |
| 17:30.41 | pvd2006 | beardy: I have onboard and an nvidia mx 440 |
| 17:30.46 | mansu | treestone: it says that the FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
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| 17:30.55 | treestone | mansu: There you go then. |
| 17:31.03 | marco13185 | anyone know if the libasound2 issue was resolved? |
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| 17:31.17 | mansu | treestone: but what should i install. i installed all the packages |
| 17:31.18 | beardy | pvd2006: lspci, but that gives it in hex, X wants it in deciaml. |
| 17:31.29 | treestone | mansu: Which distro? |
| 17:31.33 | Kaeles | if im typing "dpkg purge mysql-server" it should work? |
| 17:31.39 | JoelR | Hello.. i had a problem when i did an aptitude dist-upgrade in my laptop, here is the log: http://201.243.224.157/apache2-default/log.txt anyone know what could i do? |
| 17:31.43 | pvd2006 | hmm I see, any hex to dec converter? |
| 17:31.43 | rxed | pollywog: maybe its not possible to modify copy/paste behaviour in linux. |
| 17:31.43 | beardy | pvd2006: Which card do you want to use, and what is used if you leave it blank |
| 17:31.46 | unko | does anybody experienced logitech cordless keyboards on debian? |
| 17:31.46 | mansu | treestone: debian unstable |
| 17:31.47 | marco13185 | !libasound2 |
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| 17:31.57 | azeem | marco13185: check the bug tracking system |
| 17:32.01 | Kaeles | I use a logitech USB keyboard. |
| 17:32.03 | beardy | unko: Just ask your question. |
| 17:32.06 | pollywog | rxed: in console or in X? |
| 17:32.12 | DJ-Marcuzzz | catalinux, can you give the command a pid so it only closes that Xvnc and not an other that may be running? |
| 17:32.14 | pvd2006 | beardy I think my onboard graphics is used if I leave it blank and I want to use my nvidia card. |
| 17:32.14 | rxed | pollywog: X |
| 17:32.18 | beardy | unko: I have also used one of those. |
| 17:32.20 | treestone | mansu: Debian stock kernel? There should be a matching ndiswrapper module: apt-cache search ndiswrapper |
| 17:32.20 | pollywog | rxed: yes it is |
| 17:32.24 | DJ-Marcuzzz | sorry i disconnected by unknown reason :S |
| 17:32.25 | pollywog | KDE? |
| 17:32.47 | rxed | pollywog: fluxbox |
| 17:32.50 | Kaeles | why is dpkg purge not working? |
| 17:32.54 | mansu | treestone: thats what i have tried... but its not the latest one |
| 17:33.02 | beardy | pvd2006: Run 'lspci | grep vga' or lspci -vv |
| 17:33.05 | catalinux | DJ-Marcuzz: yes |
| 17:33.09 | beardy | KeeUse aptitude or apt-get. |
| 17:33.18 | beardy | Kaeles: ^^ |
| 17:33.23 | unko | ok, I'm interested in S 510 Media Remote (seems really cool), but watched some threads of people quite in trouble with that... is it feasable? |
| 17:33.23 | pollywog | rxed I have not used fluxbox in a LONG time but I think it has a configurator where you can change copy/paste behavior |
| 17:33.27 | DJ-Marcuzzz | catalinux, could you put that in there, then you would be my hero :) |
| 17:33.30 | treestone | mansu: Actually, the debian unstable version of ndiswrapper is too old (the latest should be in the queue, still not there), so it's best to install from source. Go to http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ |
| 17:33.50 | Kaeles | i did use apt-get BUT i need to remove the other files that it installed, which apt-get remove did not do, so that i can do a fresh install |
| 17:34.01 | marco13185 | In the BTS there's a patch called "alsa-lib.diff", how do I apply that patch? |
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| 17:34.06 | rxed | pollywog: what do you use then? kde? |
| 17:34.07 | pollywog | Kaeles: dpkg --purge |
| 17:34.08 | fericitu_ | how can view all the process with all port and pid ...??? |
| 17:34.16 | pollywog | rxed: I am using KDE |
| 17:34.20 | Kaeles | DOH :P thanks polly :P |
| 17:34.38 | treestone | fericitu_: port? |
| 17:34.50 | beardy | Kaeles: Still, use aptitude or apt-get, apitude remove --purge package |
| 17:34.50 | catalinux | any idea how you get the pid of the last forked command from bash? |
| 17:34.52 | pollywog | I also recall that Gnome and ICEwm have a means to change copy/paste attributes |
| 17:34.53 | fericitu_ | ports |
| 17:35.04 | Kaeles | oh, i don't like aptitude its slow... :P |
| 17:35.07 | unko | keales, beardy: is there generally any problem on boot (bios support) with logitech cordless kbs? |
| 17:35.07 | treestone | fericitu_: What ports? |
| 17:35.12 | jetscreamer | yay Kaeles |
| 17:35.29 | Kaeles | not that i know of unko |
| 17:35.30 | fericitu_ | ex : 80- http, |
| 17:35.37 | Kaeles | make sure that its setup to use USB from bios |
| 17:35.42 | Kaeles | and try using the 2.6 kernel |
| 17:35.52 | beardy | unko: Depends on the bios I guess. Do you have one of those which both has ps2 and usb connectors? |
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| 17:35.58 | rxed | pollywog: fluxbox doesn't have its own copy/paste controls |
| 17:36.01 | Kaeles | weird thing was for me, is my KB kept thiking it was a mouse when i used the 2.6 |
| 17:36.02 | Kaeles | lol |
| 17:36.03 | treestone | fericitu_: netstat -p, or lsof |
| 17:36.08 | fericitu_ | ok |
| 17:36.14 | DJ-Marcuzzz | catalinux, can't you give the Xvnc the pid becaus thats what gets killed, but im no programmer or scripter, i can just read the scriipt |
| 17:36.15 | fericitu_ | thanks |
| 17:36.34 | pollywog | rxed: oic have you tried googling for a fluxbox doc? |
| 17:36.34 | pollywog | documentation |
| 17:36.40 | rxed | pollywog: it's not a flux box thing. Its an X thing. |
| 17:36.43 | catalinux | DJ-Marcuzz: solve it now, sec |
| 17:36.47 | unko | beardy: both ps2 & usb |
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| 17:36.49 | beardy | Kaeles: Was it connected with USB then? |
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| 17:37.06 | DJ-Marcuzzz | ok catalinux |
| 17:37.17 | Kaeles | USB yea |
| 17:37.18 | Kaeles | :) |
| 17:37.25 | beardy | Kaeles: Do you use both a mouse and the keyboard at the same time, through the same wireless reciever? |
| 17:37.37 | Kaeles | no.. just keyboard. |
| 17:37.48 | unko | K.: I use 2.6.8, and I'd like to plug keyboard, mouse and remote control all-in-one thing... |
| 17:37.52 | beardy | Kaeles: If you only use the keyboard, use the ps2 connector, to be sure, and have less troubles. |
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| 17:38.01 | Kaeles | I don't think they have wireless trackballs. |
| 17:38.02 | Kaeles | :P |
| 17:38.09 | mansu | treestone: is there no way out other than compiling from source ? |
| 17:38.36 | treestone | mansu: Not if there's no pre-compiled module for you exact kernel version, no. |
| 17:38.36 | Zweideutig | Wireless keyboards/mice/trackballs are pointless. |
| 17:38.41 | beardy | Kaeles: The wireless keyboard I got also has a wireless mouse. |
| 17:38.48 | mansu | treestone: ok thx |
| 17:38.50 | mansu | will compile |
| 17:39.01 | beardy | Zweideutig: Yes, after a while you get tired of switching batteries. |
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| 17:39.22 | treestone | mansu: Then again, installing ndiswrapper from source is no trouble at all, as long as you have a) kernel headers (or full source) for your kernel, and b) the same gcc version as the kernel was compiled with. |
| 17:39.30 | Zweideutig | I just use a laptop a desktop machine. |
| 17:39.34 | Kaeles | Well, If im setting across the room from my comp, and i want to use it, i don't want to have 3 or 4 ps/2 extenders to it. |
| 17:39.44 | davidh | hello |
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| 17:39.52 | davidh | Vasistha: hello |
| 17:39.54 | unko | What's the way to map any custom key on media keyboards? |
| 17:40.02 | beardy | Zweideutig: Laptop keyboards suck much more than a wireless real keyboard though. |
| 17:40.15 | Zweideutig | beardy: I don't mind them. |
| 17:40.16 | Vasistha | davidh: hey. connection problems. |
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| 17:40.18 | catalinux | wget home.catalinux.net/script |
| 17:40.20 | catalinux | try it |
| 17:40.26 | beardy | Zweideutig: Ok, I do. :) |
| 17:40.30 | davidh | Vasistha: I tried both ways `apm=on` or `apm=power_off`. Still need help |
| 17:40.36 | DJ-Marcuzzz | ok catalinux, one moment ;) |
| 17:40.42 | Zweideutig | beardy: Why? |
| 17:40.48 | catalinux | DJ-Marcuzz: np |
| 17:40.54 | Andon | Beardy, Apple laptop keyboards are pretty decent, for a non ergonomic keyboard. |
| 17:40.56 | Vasistha | davidh: still not working, huh? that's a bummer. did you try setting acpi=off noacpi ? |
| 17:41.15 | beardy | Andon: I haven't used one, I have to take a look at one then. |
| 17:41.16 | unko | What's the way to map any custom key on media keyboards? |
| 17:41.28 | davidh | Vasistha: Is there any way in the bios to turn off memory check? My dell desktop takes a few minutes to check 640MB mem everytime I reboot. It is very anonying |
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| 17:41.52 | Vasistha | davidh: ugh, I hate dell bioses. It should be possible, but it's dell, so I'll give you no guarantee |
| 17:41.55 | yang | how do i change home directory of one user? |
| 17:42.05 | beardy | Zweideutig: Well, some laptops have decent keyboards, but most of them has those flat, slippery, not nice to type on, keys. But it's just my opinion. |
| 17:42.11 | Zweideutig | Vasistha: Dells are great. |
| 17:42.17 | Andon | Yeah, there should be a fast memory check option in the BIOS. At least that's the industry standard, DELL's not obligated to do anything standard, and they don't |
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| 17:42.30 | pvd2006 | I keep getting two fatal server errors, no screen found, and failed to load driver for xvesa module |
| 17:42.33 | davidh | Vasistha: I run redhat 9.0 and redhat ES 3.0 on same machine. There was no problem to power down before |
| 17:42.48 | Vasistha | Zweideutig: maybe for you. my experiences with dells have been mixed, and mostly negative. |
| 17:42.51 | Zweideutig | Dells are affordable and have a great ROI. |
| 17:42.56 | Vasistha | davidh: hmm, do you know if you were running apm or acpi? |
| 17:42.58 | beardy | unko: I don't remember the name of it.. try apt-cache search "media key" |
| 17:43.24 | davidh | Vasistha: you mean redhat? |
| 17:43.31 | beardy | unko: I think the packagename is something with "key" in it, and the name is not that long.. |
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| 17:43.40 | Vasistha | Zweideutig: alright fanboy ;-) hehheh just teasing. anyway, I'm glad you've had a better experience with dell than I have |
| 17:43.49 | DJ-Marcuzzz | Server-NS1:/etc/init.d# ./vnc stop |
| 17:43.49 | DJ-Marcuzzz | /tmp/pid: no process killed |
| 17:43.49 | davidh | Vasistha: I did not pay attention before since everything works |
| 17:43.54 | Bitz | hi, how large of a /root partition would be an efficient size for an install? |
| 17:43.59 | DJ-Marcuzzz | catalinux ^^^ |
| 17:44.15 | beardy | Bitz: You probably mean / partition? |
| 17:44.18 | unko | beardy: I read something about key remapping on gentoo, but it seemed not applyable to debian (or not?)... |
| 17:44.20 | Bitz | yes |
| 17:44.25 | Zweideutig | Vasistha: Mostly... I don't care for their Latitudes much. The plastic likes to crack near the hinges. |
| 17:44.27 | catalinux | DJ-Marcuzz: something is broked |
| 17:44.44 | Vasistha | davidh: hrm. I need to go eat some breakfast... will you be around a while? of course you can try to get help from someone else |
| 17:44.47 | Bitz | excluded /home /var |
| 17:44.47 | DJ-Marcuzzz | catalinux, wait a sec |
| 17:44.55 | beardy | unko: What was the name of the software that was used? Probably not the same, and it's probably more than one available. |
| 17:45.07 | davidh | Vasistha: Thank you for your help. See you some other time |
| 17:45.14 | beardy | unko: But the one I've tried worked fine, for me. |
| 17:45.15 | DJ-Marcuzzz | catalinux, it doesn't go into background, is that correct? when i start it, it locks that terminal |
| 17:45.23 | Bitz | any suggestions? |
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| 17:45.32 | davidh | Hi, any one know how to turn off memory check in dell bios? |
| 17:45.44 | unko | beardy: mmhh... sadly I can't remember :-( |
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| 17:46.28 | yang | how do i change home directory of one user? |
| 17:46.34 | SwanSword | davidh, there should be a quick boot option in the bios setup program. |
| 17:46.40 | mirf | davidh, do you know how to boot to bios? |
| 17:46.44 | Bitz | beardy? |
| 17:46.46 | Plater | can anyone help with Senao card and Host AP drivers? |
| 17:47.04 | beardy | unko: Ah, the one I used is called hotkeys. Also have a look here; http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/52 |
| 17:47.28 | treestone | yang: change it in /etc/passwd, make the new directory, set the owner/group, copy old files over, remove old directory. |
| 17:47.37 | Plater | problem too complicated to ask in channel. did this 3 times before, no solution. now prefer someone PM me if you have experience with Host AP and Senao card (Interpril Prism 2.5 chipset) |
| 17:47.54 | unko | beardy: Yeaahh! beardy, You got it! You are THE MAN! (many thanks) :-) |
| 17:48.01 | davidh | mirf: yes |
| 17:48.12 | davidh | SwanSword: under what menu |
| 17:48.13 | pvd2006 | so since I am getting an error that no screen found and cant load xvesa driver module, what do I need to change? |
| 17:48.14 | mirf | then just ook around |
| 17:48.16 | yang | treestone: will anything get broken if i touch /etc/passwd? |
| 17:48.38 | SwanSword | davidh, "boot" perhaps |
| 17:48.51 | beardy | Bitz: If you are going to have everything expect /home and /var on /, it should be quite big, since /usr is going to be on it, where most binaries(programs and their data) is going to be installed. It depends on what kind of machine it is, and how much you intend to install. |
| 17:49.02 | treestone | yang: Not unless you make a mistake, but be careful that nobody else is accessing it (e.g. changing their password with 'passwd') if you edit it with a normal editor. |
| 17:49.03 | davidh | SwanSword: I'll give it a try. see you later... |
| 17:49.08 | SwanSword | k |
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| 17:49.48 | DJ-Marcuzzz | catalinux, im gonna give it a reboot, lets see if its going to work |
| 17:50.21 | catalinux | no |
| 17:50.28 | catalinux | it has nothing to do |
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| 17:50.56 | unko | whowas fausto |
| 17:51.22 | Wizzzzo | is there a way i can go back to the main install of debian to rebuild the base with out distroying all info on the drive ? |
| 17:52.21 | unko | (damn slash!) |
| 17:52.31 | beardy | Bitz: Consider that sarge comes on two DVD's, size-wise I mean, and that is compressed, and think about what you are going to install, X? KDE? Gnome? and everything else. If you have a large disk, try to think what you need, and add quite a bit extra. |
| 17:52.54 | callee | anyone any experience with the acpi fan module? when modprobing the fan module i do not get any additional interfaces in /proc/acpi for fans present on the mainboard? |
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| 17:53.00 | DJ-Marcuzzz | catalinux, its hangs my boot, becaus it keeps the program in forground |
| 17:53.13 | catalinux | control + c |
| 17:53.28 | DJ-Marcuzzz | won't do ill boot into single usermode an see |
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| 17:53.42 | ribnitz | hi. to forward between the different network interfaces of a system, anything else than the 1 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward needed? |
| 17:54.04 | davidh | any dell desktop user for debian? |
| 17:54.17 | davidh | need help to power down |
| 17:54.25 | davidh | automatically |
| 17:55.01 | Bitz | beardy: iam plan on putting /boot (50M), / (1G) on it own ext3 physical partitons and have /home, /var, swap under lvm, would this be a good setup for a laptop workstation? |
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| 17:55.28 | BarryAllen | davidh, add shutdown -h now at your crontab |
| 17:55.49 | treestone | davidh: I don't have a Dell desktop, but I did set up one for my sister - I think it was a 2400, and what I did was to compile a newer 2.6 kernel and turn on all the acpi options I could find in the kernel config. That's all I can actually tell you .. it worked though. |
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| 17:56.07 | formorer | Bitz: I don't see any reason for a multipartition installation on a single user system |
| 17:56.32 | davidh | BarryAllen: more specific? I don't understand what you say |
| 17:56.43 | davidh | treestone: Do I need to recompile the kernel? |
| 17:57.07 | DJ-Marcuzzz | catalinux, now it should boot again |
| 17:57.18 | treestone | davidh: If it's stuck at the 'power down' message I would say yes, you probably have to recompile. |
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| 17:57.23 | Bitz | not for a single hard drive system, but just for playing with lvm? |
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| 17:57.29 | beardy | Bitz: Well, as I said it all depends on what you are going to install. But I agree with formorer, is it really necessary to divide it so much on a single user system, and a laptop? |
| 17:57.39 | davidh | treestone: Yes, that is exactly what happen... |
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| 17:57.56 | Zweideutig | How do I change the clock to 12 hour format? |
| 17:58.00 | Wizzzzo | treestone my base is corupt how can i reinstall the base with out wiping out my drive ? |
| 17:58.05 | catalinux | DJ-Marcuzzz: wget home.catalinux.net/script; the session is not killed with stop. I need to go now. I left an TODO there. Try to solve it yourself |
| 17:58.12 | davidh | treestone: I heard a clicking sound, screen bottom displays `power down`; fan remains on |
| 17:58.12 | Bitz | ok, thanks |
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| 17:58.32 | beardy | Bitz: How large can your / be at most? |
| 17:58.42 | pvd2006 | weird, I finally got xstart to run but its loading gnome and not giving me any option for a graphical logon so I can choose sessions. I did manual package installs and didnt select gnome, so why would it be there? |
| 17:58.49 | treestone | davidh: On my laptop I have 'zcat /proc/config.gz | grep ACPI and that shows me CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y, that's what got it working there. |
| 17:58.53 | Zweideutig | Why is the time 24-hour? |
| 17:59.03 | catalinux | DJ-Marcuzzz: this is what you need to fix: <cmd> & && echp $! > $PIDFILE |
| 17:59.09 | beardy | Zweideutig: Where, and why not? |
| 17:59.18 | Zweideutig | Is there a way to set it to 12-hour format with date command? |
| 17:59.20 | treestone | Wizzzzo: that's a bit vague. Do you want to re-install the packages you have now? |
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| 17:59.30 | DJ-Marcuzzz | catalinux, how should i fix that, i don't have scripting experiance :P |
| 17:59.35 | Zweideutig | beardy: Because I am in the U.S.. |
| 17:59.44 | catalinux | DJ-Marcuzzz: ask on #bash |
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| 17:59.47 | Wizzzzo | treestone well my exim4 is corupt i cant reinstall it |
| 17:59.58 | Bitz | beardy: not sure, large can it grows if i plan on installing a lot apps? |
| 18:00.01 | beardy | Zweideutig: 24h originates from US, doesn't it.. |
| 18:00.04 | treestone | Wizzzzo: apt-get install --reinstall exim4 doesn' |
| 18:00.07 | treestone | t work? |
| 18:00.13 | Wizzzzo | nope |
| 18:00.15 | davidh | treestone: The image I am running is from the debian.org. I did not compile the image that I am running on this machine |
| 18:00.16 | Zweideutig | beardy: How can I set it to 12 hour? |
| 18:00.16 | Wizzzzo | dpkg: error processing exim4 (--configure): |
| 18:00.16 | Wizzzzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.16 | Wizzzzo | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:00.25 | pvd2006 | crap I think I overwrote my existing debian installation |
| 18:00.26 | beardy | Zweideutig: I'm not sure where to change it, perhaps useing tzconfig? |
| 18:00.38 | pvd2006 | now its loading gnome and not xfce |
| 18:00.39 | pvd2006 | crap |
| 18:00.48 | pvd2006 | I thought I chose to format the partition... |
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| 18:01.17 | treestone | Wizzzzo: What about first doing apt-get install -f |
| 18:01.31 | DJ-Marcuzzz | catalinux, i don't get it, i cant see the error in it, ad the todo makes me just wounder more :P |
| 18:01.31 | paroneayea | dpkg -l seems to truncate package names. Any way to get it to display the full name? |
| 18:01.32 | dpkg | ii seems to truncate package names. Any way to get it to display the full name 2.4-5.2 paroneayea's private gamp collection |
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| 18:01.58 | paroneayea | ... |
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| 18:02.03 | treestone | paroneayea: You told the bot something you didn't want to tell it.. |
| 18:02.07 | beardy | Zweideutig: I assume you check the manual. |
| 18:02.12 | vodkaabsolut | hi all |
| 18:02.16 | beardy | Zweideutig: Of date I mean. |
| 18:02.20 | Wizzzzo | treestone same error |
| 18:02.24 | treestone | paroneayea: Anyway, the answer is 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l' |
| 18:02.31 | paroneayea | treestone: sweet, thx |
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| 18:03.49 | vodkaabsolut | hi guys, i'm tryng to upgrade my distro..however i don't remember wich release i have installed... is there a way to check? |
| 18:03.58 | pipeline | vodkaabsolut: /etc/debian_release, IIRC |
| 18:03.59 | vodkaabsolut | i thing i have3.0 |
| 18:04.06 | treestone | Wizzzzo: I can't tell you how to fix it, it depends too much on what's broken on your system. If you can, try dpkg --remove some package(s). |
| 18:04.19 | Sjusi | how can i get a kernel module to load on boot up? |
| 18:04.28 | pipeline | Sjusi: add it to /etc/modules |
| 18:04.30 | Sjusi | i have used insmod to insert iy |
| 18:04.42 | pipeline | Sjusi: you should have used modprobe |
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| 18:05.02 | Sjusi | pipeline, any place its recommed to place the module? |
| 18:05.14 | DJ-Marcuzzz | catalinux, could you take an look at it again, becaus i cant figure it out, and i ned the script badly :P |
| 18:05.17 | beardy | vodkaabsolut: 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 18:05.26 | beardy | !woody->sarge |
| 18:05.35 | Wizzzzo | treestone if i reboot of install cd will it rebuild base without dumping files ? |
| 18:05.36 | treestone | Sjusi: Stuff in /etc/modules will be loaded at boot time, in the sequence they appear in /etc/modules |
| 18:05.45 | beardy | !woody->sarge vodkaabsolut |
| 18:05.52 | beardy | bah.. |
| 18:05.56 | vodkaabsolut | ok |
| 18:06.00 | Eulex | !+woody->sarge |
| 18:06.00 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 18:06.11 | vodkaabsolut | tnx |
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| 18:06.39 | treestone | Wizzzzo: Not if your installation is considered completed. But I don't really know exactly what it would do, as it's years between each time I boot a debian install CD (I only keep doing 'apt-get dist-upgrade' afterwards..) |
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| 18:07.02 | beardy | vodkaabsolut: You can "/msg dpkg woody->sarge" if you need it later too. |
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| 18:07.07 | beardy | Eulex: Thanks. |
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| 18:07.14 | JoyFM | hi |
| 18:07.26 | vodkaabsolut | tnx for your support :-) |
| 18:07.32 | JoyFM | does anybody know about a issue in the libasound2 from sid? |
| 18:07.42 | simonrvn | yes. downgrade. |
| 18:07.51 | beardy | JoyFM: checked bts? |
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| 18:08.05 | JoyFM | bts? |
| 18:08.07 | beardy | !btssmite JoyFM |
| 18:08.13 | simonrvn | ALSA libasound2 (#369040 and friends) |
| 18:08.26 | beardy | simonrvn: Let the chainsaw do it's work. |
| 18:09.08 | JoyFM | thx simonrvn |
| 18:09.15 | simonrvn | *bzzzzzzzzzz bzz bzzz* |
| 18:10.08 | simonrvn | eh, it was easy for me, i didn't have to go find it |
| 18:10.51 | JoyFM | do you have the problem? |
| 18:11.30 | simonrvn | not anymore |
| 18:11.32 | tuv | any apcupsd vs. nut experiences? i'm in doubt which i should use.. |
| 18:11.41 | _fjh_ | Hi, I fight with dmsetup and cryptsetup. All commands work only as root, which access permissions should /dev/mapper* have? |
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| 18:12.48 | numen | hi |
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| 18:13.08 | treestone | _fjh_: Er.. those commands should only work as root.. |
| 18:13.26 | emergo | Ive got a seagate 400gb external usb harddisk, but dont know how to mount a usb dev ? |
| 18:13.38 | numen | does anybody know a good howto how i have to set up a software raid? |
| 18:13.40 | beardy | !usbstorage |
| 18:13.40 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 18:14.02 | treestone | emergo: usb mass storage devices look as scsi drives. So e.g. 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt' or something. |
| 18:14.09 | simonrvn | numen: yeh, the one at tldp.org (the new one) |
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| 18:14.20 | simonrvn | *the* place for howtos |
| 18:14.23 | emergo | beardy: you dont happen to know of any GREAT backup tools too ? |
| 18:14.23 | JoyFM | simonrvn, where can i get the 1.0.11-6 version? |
| 18:14.31 | simonrvn | when it's out |
| 18:14.53 | JoyFM | and how do you fixed that bug? |
| 18:15.07 | simonrvn | like i said before. downgrade. |
| 18:15.30 | numen | does anybody speak german? |
| 18:15.34 | beardy | emergo: Well, depends on what you are going to backup, and how, and so on. But 'apt-cache search backup' should give you some to choose from. I've heard some good things about.. amanda? I think it's name is. |
| 18:15.39 | beardy | !de |
| 18:15.39 | dpkg | from memory, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:15.51 | simonrvn | it's in incoming now |
| 18:15.57 | Kaeles | amanda is supposed to be good. |
| 18:16.02 | Kaeles | same with bacula |
| 18:16.30 | simonrvn | still missing some arches though |
| 18:17.12 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:17.13 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:17.18 | emergo | beardy: thank you for the hint, Im gonna backup my home dir |
| 18:17.21 | beardy | tarzeau: Is that automated? |
| 18:17.27 | tarzeau | beardy: no |
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| 18:18.27 | numen | hmmm in the apt system i cant find raidtools |
| 18:18.38 | cbchui | is it possible to install debian onto an suse distribution via remote ssh ? |
| 18:18.46 | treestone | !comfort Zweideutig |
| 18:18.46 | dpkg | There, there, Zweideutig. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:18.55 | tarzeau | cbchui: yes |
| 18:18.56 | Zweideutig | I can't get it to display the time in the 12 hour AM/PM format. :| :| :| |
| 18:18.59 | tarzeau | !debtakeover |
| 18:18.59 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 18:19.04 | beardy | emergo: I have written a homedir backup script, when I used woody though, to use tar, and burn on cd-rw using cdrecord, but it's probably not working on sarge because of changes in cdrecord, I think, haven't tried.. |
| 18:19.57 | Zweideutig | Why can't I find documentation on this? |
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| 18:20.59 | Ronin | Zweideutig: get what to display the time in 12hr format? |
| 18:21.05 | treestone | Zweideutig: 'man date'. E.g. 'date +%l%p', and take it from there. Make an alias for 'date'. There's also probably some 'locale' setting, but I wouldn't know because I don't get the AM/PM concept. |
| 18:21.09 | Zweideutig | Ronin: date -r |
| 18:21.16 | redphoenix1 | i am trying to get my bluetooth keyboard to be detected so i can use it when gdm starts its already detected at boot but i dont know where to start can some one help ( i run a command to get it to work) |
| 18:21.32 | numen | did you mean this howto= |
| 18:21.33 | emergo | beardy: might expand to something over network too if I find some good software for it |
| 18:21.36 | numen | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
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| 18:22.06 | _fjh_ | treestone: now I am confused. I am trying to create a encrypted container via encrypted loopback. 1 losetup 2 cryptsetup 3 mount. root only? |
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| 18:22.24 | pollywog | I want to install the fuse module from sources without having to recompile the kernel. Is there a way to configure the kernel sources for this without a recompile? |
| 18:22.36 | azeem | !m-a |
| 18:22.37 | dpkg | from memory, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 18:22.54 | pollywog | thanks I thought module assistant might e the trick |
| 18:22.58 | numen | simonrvn: which do you mean? |
| 18:23.14 | treestone | _fjh_: that would only work as root, yes. I have no experience with that kind of crypto setup (yet), I've only used 'encfs' for that (a simpler concept, needs 'fuser' support), which works for users. |
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| 18:23.22 | Zweideutig | When I run locale command it says LANG=de_DE@euro. It shouldn't be set to that. I wanted en_US. |
| 18:23.35 | andreas__ | where in debian can i find my ipod when ive plugged it in? |
| 18:23.45 | treestone | Zweideutig: Set LANG in your login script. |
| 18:23.54 | Eulex | Zweideutig, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:24.04 | valdyn | andreas__: see dmesg |
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| 18:24.20 | simonrvn | numen: IIRC it's the one named number 2, or is number 2 in the big list |
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| 18:25.00 | numen | i dont know what youn mean |
| 18:25.24 | cbchui | what methods do i need to do to install a debian distribution over suse via remote ssh |
| 18:25.31 | cbchui | i need to chroot it right? |
| 18:25.36 | _fjh_ | treestone: Thank you. I think I have to rethink my approach a bit :( |
| 18:25.44 | treestone | Zweideutig: Also, if you're using KDE (and probably with some other desktops) there's a locale configuration in the desktop (kcontrol in kde) |
| 18:25.46 | Timtow | my pastor's sermon from last week is on Daystar right now.... |
| 18:25.46 | numen | if i search in apt with apt-cache search raidtools there will nothing be like raidtools or raidtools2 |
| 18:26.03 | Zweideutig | I use icewm. |
| 18:26.03 | Timtow | er, wrong channel, sorry guys |
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| 18:26.23 | treestone | _fjh_: There's probably some wrapper stuff that can handle mounting of e.g. encrypted home directory when a user logs in. But I'm not familiar with that. |
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| 18:27.35 | Zweideutig | There, problem solved. |
| 18:28.07 | Timtow | what's a good ftp server? |
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| 18:28.38 | Zweideutig | Timtow: IIS |
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| 18:28.39 | eddiecheng | what methods do i need to do to install a debian distribution over suse via remote ssh |
| 18:28.53 | eddiecheng | where can i read up on this ? |
| 18:29.08 | Maulkin | Timtow: There's a few. What's your requirements? |
| 18:29.30 | Timtow | was just looking for opinions....I like the ones that have the scoreboards |
| 18:29.33 | valdyn | numen: raidtools is obsolete, look at mdadm |
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| 18:29.39 | Maulkin | Timtow: scoreboards? |
| 18:29.49 | Timtow | yeah, total downloaded bytes, etc... |
| 18:29.55 | treestone | eddiecheng: /msg dpkg debtakeover |
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| 18:30.02 | numen | simonrvn: i dont know which howto you meaned |
| 18:30.05 | Timtow | but I don't want anonymous logins, that's for sure |
| 18:30.10 | Maulkin | Timtow: Erm... not sure. proftpd may have something. |
| 18:30.16 | Maulkin | Timtow: or wsftpd |
| 18:30.21 | fluor2d | hola - how can I detect if/how my machine is I2C enabled? |
| 18:30.41 | Maulkin | !ssh install |
| 18:30.41 | dpkg | from memory, ssh install is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous |
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| 18:30.53 | Maulkin | Or, also at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 18:30.59 | simonrvn | [14:14:09] simonrvn numen: yeh, the one at tldp.org (the new one) |
| 18:31.03 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:31.06 | Rotzeklotz | hello |
| 18:31.11 | Timtow | howdy |
| 18:31.16 | tuv | guys.. anyone can elaborate on choosing apcupsd vs. nut or ups monitoring? |
| 18:31.16 | eddiecheng | dpkg so i visit the 2 webs? |
| 18:31.18 | fluor2d | isn't there a script detecting if my hardware supports I2C, and if so, which modules should be compiled in/loaded? I somehow remember using that some time ago, but can't find it back |
| 18:31.44 | valdyn | fluor2d: uname -r |
| 18:31.47 | Maulkin | eddiecheng: yes |
| 18:32.09 | Maulkin | fluor2d: sensors? |
| 18:32.29 | fluor2d | valdyn: no, I want to know if my hardware supports it, because I'm currently compiling a kernel and wondering what to include |
| 18:32.43 | valdyn | fluor2d: type 'uname -r' in a shell and tell the output |
| 18:32.58 | Rotzeklotz | dont know if this is the right place to ask this, but i have a problem compiling x11r69 |
| 18:32.59 | treestone | fluor2d: I've never seen an i2c machine, but maybe 'lspci' can say something about it. |
| 18:33.09 | valdyn | fluor2d: oh, then compile in the sensor drivers that you need |
| 18:33.12 | tuv | guys.. anyone can elaborate on choosing apcupsd vs. nut for ups monitoring? |
| 18:33.24 | azeem | Rotzeklotz: you can ask, but you might not get an answer |
| 18:33.24 | valdyn | fluor2d: that you can figure out, i guess, by running sensors-detect |
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| 18:33.51 | beardy | tuv: Try one, if you like it, use it, if not, try the other, use the one you like best. |
| 18:33.53 | fluor2d | valdyn: thanks, that's the precise script I was looking for! |
| 18:34.40 | tuv | beardy, that's what i'd do if i get no input at all.. i'm hoping it does not get to that.. it's wise to benefit from other's experiences you know |
| 18:34.53 | numen | simonrvn: but in this howto the are used raidtools and they dont exist anymore in the apt tree |
| 18:34.57 | beardy | tuv: Sure. |
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| 18:35.20 | valdyn | numen: use mdadm and read the gd manpage |
| 18:35.27 | tuv | beardy, but it looks like i'll do what you said eventually :) |
| 18:35.29 | valdyn | numen: the howto still has useful information |
| 18:35.42 | numen | yes i know |
| 18:35.42 | beardy | tuv: And that is my shared experience, when I have two or more choices I don't know much about :) |
| 18:35.50 | numen | but i need a step by step howto |
| 18:36.08 | Rotzeklotz | ok, here we go, compilation always stops in fcfreetype.c |
| 18:36.34 | Rotzeklotz | i have tried different versions of freetype, i already have an older version of xorg up and running |
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| 18:37.08 | simonrvn | numen: use mdadm like the one one says |
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| 18:37.38 | simonrvn | read the whole thing before complaining to me about it. *i* did not write it. i have *read* it however |
| 18:37.48 | Rotzeklotz | exact error msg is fcfreetype.c:2800: warning: unused variable 'memory' |
| 18:38.00 | azeem | Rotzeklotz: that's a warning |
| 18:38.02 | valdyn | Rotzeklotz: that is not an error |
| 18:38.09 | azeem | does it use -Werror? |
| 18:38.28 | Rotzeklotz | well, nextline is fcfreetype.o error 1 |
| 18:38.42 | azeem | so check for other errors above that |
| 18:38.56 | Rotzeklotz | leaving directory /usr/src/xc/lib/fontconfig |
| 18:38.58 | Rotzeklotz | etc pp |
| 18:39.25 | valdyn | Rotzeklotz: why are you compiling X? |
| 18:39.30 | azeem | well, put it up on a pastebin and mention the URL here |
| 18:39.40 | azeem | if somebody knows something, they will tell you |
| 18:39.49 | seb- | possible to have multiple hostnames served by same IP address/web server? |
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| 18:40.16 | simonrvn | http yes, https no |
| 18:40.25 | Rotzeklotz | because i dont get dri running on the version i have |
| 18:40.40 | valdyn | Rotzeklotz: why should recompiling help? |
| 18:40.48 | Rotzeklotz | intel 915gm drivers are included in r69, but not in the debian packages |
| 18:41.02 | azeem | Rotzeklotz: are you trying to compile on stable? |
| 18:41.18 | Rotzeklotz | ? |
| 18:41.27 | azeem | what version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:41.31 | seb- | simonrvn: how does apache package know what hostname it should act like? |
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| 18:41.39 | Rotzeklotz | kernel 2.6.16.17 |
| 18:41.44 | azeem | no, version |
| 18:41.48 | valdyn | Rotzeklotz: have you tried the debian packages from backports.org ? |
| 18:41.49 | azeem | like sarge, etch, sid |
| 18:41.52 | azeem | 3.1, testing, unstable |
| 18:41.54 | simonrvn | by you telling it (i.e. configuring it) |
| 18:42.06 | Maulkin | seb-: see the VirtualHost directive in httpd.conf |
| 18:42.07 | Rotzeklotz | the latest, 3.sth |
| 18:42.12 | azeem | Rotzeklotz: so stable |
| 18:42.16 | azeem | see what valdyn said |
| 18:42.18 | azeem | !backports.org |
| 18:42.18 | dpkg | somebody said backports.org was an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/instructions.html on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
| 18:42.50 | Rotzeklotz | ok ill give it a shot thanks so far |
| 18:43.17 | seb- | Maulkin: don't web clients use DNS to get IP address of hostname before visiting server? don't clients ONLY send IP address to server? |
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| 18:43.27 | Maulkin | seb-: No. |
| 18:43.32 | Maulkin | seb-: they send the host too |
| 18:43.34 | concept10 | anyone seen a package for vim7 yet? |
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| 18:43.39 | Maulkin | concept10: yup |
| 18:43.57 | concept10 | Maulkin, where? |
| 18:43.58 | Eulex | concept10, it's in unstable |
| 18:44.16 | numen | does anybody know a good german channel? |
| 18:44.23 | Eulex | !de |
| 18:44.23 | dpkg | methinks de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:44.23 | Maulkin | !de |
| 18:44.26 | Eulex | :P |
| 18:44.30 | Maulkin | heh |
| 18:44.37 | seb- | Maulkin: i think i see....it is the http protocol that makes client send hostname right? |
| 18:44.47 | Maulkin | seb-: yes |
| 18:44.48 | stoned | I was running sid and then my system got too dirty over the course of the year or so, so I just did a re install |
| 18:44.51 | simonrvn | Seb: that was before. older clients and older servers |
| 18:44.51 | stoned | it was fun |
| 18:44.54 | numen | !de |
| 18:44.54 | dpkg | i guess de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:44.59 | hedpe | how can i tell what resolution X is running at |
| 18:45.03 | stoned | took me a couple of hours, bootloader won't install, gave me hell |
| 18:45.08 | treestone | seb-: The actual URL the client (browser) used will be passed to the server. |
| 18:45.21 | Eulex | stoned, I'm running testing but is using a few packages from unstable, like vim and xorg |
| 18:45.22 | seb- | Maulkin, treestone: thanks |
| 18:45.43 | valdyn | hedpe: xdpyinfo | more |
| 18:45.50 | acronos | will this find all occurances of the string 'pgadmin' in the file '/etc/agp/packages': cat /etc/agp/packages | grep -C 20 pgadmin |
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| 18:45.56 | Rotzeklotz | ehm, i installed from stable, but i added unstable and testing to my sources.list and got xorg from there, so i guess its the latest version already |
| 18:46.01 | valdyn | !useless use of grep |
| 18:46.03 | godmachine81 | i have an old amd k6 II 500mhz processor, I loaded sarge on it, everything went fine, but i have noticed that if i try any kernel newer than 2.6.8 it will reboot the machine within the first 5 seconds of loading the kernel. Does anyone know what I can do to get the kernel to work? Actually i dont think the 686, 486, or k6 kernels will work on 2.6.8 either.. most recent version that will boot for me is 2.6.8 386.. |
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| 18:46.08 | valdyn | !useless use of cat |
| 18:46.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, useless use of cat is http://www.ruhr.de/home/smallo/award.html, or ask me about <uuoc> |
| 18:46.16 | Maulkin | acronos: erm... "grep pgadmin /etc/agp/packages" |
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| 18:46.45 | acronos | Thanks maulkin |
| 18:46.53 | peacenik | I have X running OK, but some windows open at a size that is too big for screen (and are not resizeable)... any ideas? |
| 18:47.09 | valdyn | peacenik: which WM are you using? |
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| 18:47.30 | Eulex | peacenik, alt-grab and move |
| 18:47.31 | valdyn | peacenik: most should have a key combination to resize |
| 18:47.43 | peacenik | valdyn: generally xfce4, but same with gnome and icewm |
| 18:47.46 | stoned | I have, as defined in bios, ide = disk 1, sata = disk 2. After 8-10 tries of brain busting and stuff, grub would always fail to install off the sarge netinstall iso. Always hangs/fails. Lilo however worked. Grub also managed to wipe out the IDE disk's bootsector containing XP. Grub would get stuck at 50% while trying to install onto the mbr, after you get through with grub options. I had to kill the process manually, and go back to ins |
| 18:47.47 | stoned | taller and try with lilo after the 10th time. Any word on this? |
| 18:47.57 | Kaeles | anyone setup phpbb2 recently? |
| 18:47.57 | MatBoy | Has someone a full-download link for me where I can download the whole 2.6.18-1 kernel ? So not only the patch, but a whole kernel ? |
| 18:48.05 | Reptilutz | Where i can download book for debian ? |
| 18:48.08 | Reptilutz | learn debian? |
| 18:48.33 | valdyn | peacenik: alt-f8 |
| 18:48.35 | godmachine81 | peacenik, dont use 800x600, it does that in a lot of gtk apps.. if you have a small monitor then when using 1024x768 it will show very small fonts that will hurt your eyes.. i havent found a way around it really.. |
| 18:48.36 | valdyn | peacenik: in gnome |
| 18:48.43 | stoned | Reptile4, /msg dpkg grounding |
| 18:48.50 | stoned | doh |
| 18:48.50 | andreas__ | Why are all my pictures saves as download.php instead of the original png pictures I want to download? |
| 18:48.56 | stoned | Reptilutz, ^^ |
| 18:49.04 | Eulex | peacenik, also, other solutions: (1) use a higher resolution (2) use smaller fonts, a smaller gtk2 theme and a smaller wm theme |
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| 18:49.24 | peacenik | valdyn: I have small monitor, and tried with 640x480 |
| 18:49.24 | Maulkin | andreas__: Probably because that's what the site (whatever it is) is sending |
| 18:49.39 | peacenik | valdyn: you are saying I should switch to HIGHER res>? |
| 18:49.42 | valdyn | godmachine81: modern apps have resizable fonts and modern desktop environments can scale the fonts to DPI |
| 18:49.48 | godmachine81 | peacenik, use 1024x768 |
| 18:49.51 | Reptilutz | 10x |
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| 18:50.21 | valdyn | godmachine81: and even for legacy stuff like Motif etc, fontsizes can be changed |
| 18:50.24 | treestone | peacenik: Check out your X font path too, leave out the 100dpi (or was it the 75dpi.. hm..) |
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| 18:51.02 | stoned | When grub told me that it detected xp on the machine and should I continue, I selected no, and typed in /dev/sda2 (the /boot partition whith bootable flag set), and hd(1,1) and even hd(1) but nothing. It somehow managed to wipe out hd(0,0) (ntfs disk containing other stuff) |
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| 18:51.38 | andreas__ | i worked it out thx anyways :D |
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| 18:51.43 | peacenik | Eulex: what do you mean by gtk2/wm "themes" |
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| 18:51.54 | sly007 | I want to set up a 6GB loopback filesystem in my VFAT partition. For this, I first need to create a 6GB file, but that's not possible on VFAT. If I create a 4GB one and a 2GB one, is there a way to span the filesystem on the two files? |
| 18:51.55 | JoyFM | does anybody know an easy to use programm for partitioning? |
| 18:51.58 | godmachine81 | valdyn, yes i know that, but the windows going over the screen is what im referring to |
| 18:52.02 | Eroick | is there a way to use debian, but to get new packages like Ubuntu does? I hear that stable mainly has older packages and isnt up to date. |
| 18:52.05 | stoned | its weird however that lilo decided to work on /dev/sda2 and also when I tried on hd(1,1) |
| 18:52.23 | Eulex | peacenik, gtk2 themes theme the widgets, wm themes theme the window borders |
| 18:52.28 | valdyn | godmachine81: that too yea |
| 18:52.29 | azeem | Eroick: you can try using testing if you really need new packages |
| 18:52.33 | MatBoy | What kernel-version is the best to run at the moment in Etch ? |
| 18:52.49 | stoned | oh and this is debian sarge I am talking about, I think i mentioned it but I can't remember |
| 18:52.59 | marco13185 | where can I get the packages that are ready to go in to unstable but not uploaded yet? |
| 18:53.16 | stoned | marco13185, experimental |
| 18:53.16 | godmachine81 | i have an old amd k6 II 500mhz processor, I loaded sarge on it, everything went fine, but i have noticed that if i try any kernel newer than 2.6.8 it will reboot the machine within the first 5 seconds of loading the kernel. Does anyone know what I can do to get the kernel to work? Actually i dont think the 686, 486, or k6 kernels will work on 2.6.8 either.. most recent version that will boot for me is 2.6.8 386.. |
| 18:53.17 | concept10 | Eulex, have you install vim7 yet? |
| 18:53.25 | valdyn | godmachine81: higher resolution or not, should depend just on your display capabilities |
| 18:53.32 | Eulex | concept10, I do |
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| 18:53.59 | concept10 | Eulex, I know its in unstable, but has it caused you many problems? |
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| 18:54.10 | Eulex | concept10, no, none |
| 18:54.35 | marco13185 | stoned, hmm, the BTS says: Fixed in version alsa-lib/1.0.11-6 by Jordi Mallach <jordi@debian.org>. But I can't find it anywhere. |
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| 18:54.52 | azeem | marco13185: it's being mirrored right now probably |
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| 18:55.16 | marco13185 | azeem, ok |
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| 18:55.31 | fruitcake | Hey |
| 18:55.37 | fruitcake | Can I ask a math question here in the channel? |
| 18:55.40 | azeem | fruitcake: no |
| 18:55.46 | peacenik | euxlex: where would I change the themes for gtk/wm? |
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| 18:55.54 | stoned | I have a silly question, I have a 2.4ghz machine with 1gb ram, 128mb crappy fx 5200 nvidia. If I decide to run another X at say :1 and connect my laptop to it, how much resources will it take. I actually wanted to know how much resources it would take to display on that second X and if it would degrade my system preformance at all? |
| 18:55.54 | fruitcake | Does anyone here in the channel have lame linux jokes they would like to share? |
| 18:55.58 | fruitcake | clear |
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| 18:56.11 | fruitcake | Lamer |
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| 18:56.19 | azeem | fruitcake: please stay on topic, i.e. ask Debian question or answer Debian questions |
| 18:56.22 | fruitcake | azeem: you're lame. |
| 18:56.27 | fruitcake | No, I can talk about any topic I want. |
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| 18:56.30 | valdyn | stoned: X does not use much ram,but the open windows do, this largely depends on what apps you run |
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| 18:56.48 | valdyn | stoned: say a firefox with 10 open tabs will certainly by huge |
| 18:57.17 | stoned | valdyn, I am probably going to run openoffice, firefox + definitely 10+ tabs, frostwire, guitar apps, kguitar/dguitar, tab apps, audacity etc. |
| 18:57.22 | stoned | hmm |
| 18:57.25 | valdyn | stoned: your gfx card is probably the last thing to worry about though |
| 18:57.33 | treestone | stoned: It also depends on the wm. On those machines where I run several X servers I usually use something lightweight like fvwm. |
| 18:57.43 | stoned | well I figured it would be another added 128mb ram no? |
| 18:57.48 | Eroick | im not sure if this went through, as my connection went flaky: is there a way to use debian, but to get new packages like Ubuntu does? I hear that stable mainly has older packages and isnt up to date. |
| 18:57.55 | valdyn | stoned: a wm isnt going to make those apps any smaller |
| 18:57.56 | stoned | treestone, well, kde on both |
| 18:58.07 | valdyn | stoned: and what you listed can take 1GB ram i suppose |
| 18:58.08 | stoned | I don't plan on using anything but kde |
| 18:58.13 | stoned | hmm |
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| 18:58.19 | marco13185 | Can I share one mouse with two x sessions? |
| 18:58.39 | stoned | just for displaying pictures over the network, its going to take up 1gb ram? |
| 18:58.42 | treestone | stoned: Ah, a bit heavy. On the other hand both kde and your apps. will have a good amount of shared memory, i.e. all the actual code. So running 2 instances of the same app won't use twice as much memory. |
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| 18:58.49 | godmachine81 | stoned, all those apps will use more than 1gb ram.. those guitar apps will eat it up when processing in real time |
| 18:58.57 | stoned | my laptop server which will host/run the applications is 512mb ram and 1.8ghz |
| 18:59.09 | stoned | I dont' get it |
| 18:59.30 | treestone | don't get what? |
| 18:59.37 | valdyn | stoned: firefox takes the memory where its displayed, not where it runs, which is good for display performance |
| 18:59.43 | stoned | oh |
| 18:59.46 | stoned | well that sucks |
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| 19:00.05 | stoned | I thought it all ran on the host, but displayed on the client as images |
| 19:00.09 | marco13185 | is it possible to start another session of X in a window? |
| 19:00.11 | aarchie | Eroick: it sounds like "testing" (currently 'etch') is what you are looking for: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 19:00.11 | Rotzeklotz | ok, i added deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main to my sources.list, but pat-get update gives me an GPG error |
| 19:00.12 | stoned | thas why ssh -X bandwidth is sooo high |
| 19:00.14 | valdyn | stoned: scrolling a website wont cause significant traffic |
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| 19:00.32 | valdyn | stoned: no, it would be MUCH higher if scrolling would cause transfers |
| 19:00.33 | Maulkin | Rotzeklotz: What's the error? |
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| 19:00.46 | stoned | I wanted to run an X :1 on desktop, and set laptop display=desktop:1 |
| 19:00.59 | stoned | or should I go through ssh -X |
| 19:01.11 | godmachine81 | stoned, no the app runs on the server, and is displayed on the client, but not in just images, it is direct access, it uses the ram on the displaying machine and uses the HD from the server.. |
| 19:01.11 | stoned | which is more umm, well, speedy with better response time |
| 19:01.16 | valdyn | stoned: why not just run it locally |
| 19:01.19 | stoned | over regular eth network at home |
| 19:01.20 | Eroick_ | im sorry, but my connection keeps dying |
| 19:01.31 | stoned | valdyn, I've got an extra machine, I thought i'd put it to use |
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| 19:01.36 | Eroick_ | does testing have up to date packages? |
| 19:01.39 | valdyn | stoned: that is not a good use |
| 19:01.41 | Rotzeklotz | the following signatures couldnt be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 19:01.41 | stoned | godmachine81, I see |
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| 19:01.48 | Maulkin | !tell Rotzeklotz about apt-key EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 19:01.51 | aarchie | Eroick: it generally has a good balance between stability & new versions. but don't run it on any production servers or where stability/security are a big concern. |
| 19:01.56 | stoned | godmachine81, I was obviously mistaken |
| 19:02.00 | embetty | What is the premier Linux distribution these days? |
| 19:02.01 | godmachine81 | i agree with valdyn i would just run it locally |
| 19:02.05 | Maulkin | Rotzeklotz: do what dpkg just told you |
| 19:02.07 | stoned | so what can I do with that laptop? |
| 19:02.10 | stoned | its a decent enough machine man |
| 19:02.23 | phaedrus_ | how to use scsi-emulation to burn cds? |
| 19:02.24 | embetty | I demand the best. |
| 19:02.38 | embetty | I refuse to settle for anything less. |
| 19:02.41 | godmachine81 | i would get wifi working on it and run linux on it.. that machine should run X great |
| 19:02.41 | valdyn | stoned: take it on the road =p |
| 19:02.43 | Maulkin | embetty: Well, Debian |
| 19:02.55 | aarchie | Eroick_~: yes. it has much more up-to-date packages than stable. |
| 19:02.55 | embetty | Maulkin, Still, after all these years? |
| 19:03.02 | Maulkin | embetty: Yes. |
| 19:03.10 | denmaeth | embetty, you mean only the best is good enough |
| 19:03.16 | treestone | !best |
| 19:03.17 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 19:03.23 | stoned | valdyn, well, the problem is that the lcd is broken, external monitor wont' even light up, backligh tis totally destroyed. But it has a debian os on it with all my apps and ssh so its just like another pc |
| 19:03.25 | embetty | denmaeth, That's what I said. |
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| 19:03.41 | embetty | Look, folks. |
| 19:03.50 | embetty | Are you looking? |
| 19:03.58 | valdyn | stoned: use it as any server you want, just dont use it as a display server, that is pointless |
| 19:03.59 | stoned | valdyn, and it is wired eth only, no wireless card |
| 19:03.59 | sanmarcos | how can I make everything created inside a directory be assigned predefined owners/groups and permissions? |
| 19:04.07 | valdyn | stoned: fileserver? |
| 19:04.07 | stoned | no, man |
| 19:04.08 | Maulkin | embetty: To be honest, you *are* asking on #debian which is best. We're gonna say Debian |
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| 19:04.40 | godmachine81 | stoned, does a monitor hooked up to the svga port work ok? |
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| 19:05.03 | valdyn | godmachine81: no |
| 19:05.05 | stoned | wait, maybe we're not talking about the same thing. My laptop is where applications will run/execute, but they will display on desktop machine, which is better. I wasn't going to use laptop as display server, but desktop as display server, the one that has 1gb ram |
| 19:05.15 | godmachine81 | valdyn, why not? |
| 19:05.15 | valdyn | godmachine81: err uh |
| 19:05.16 | embetty | I have a high-profile friend who refuses to have a credit card associated with the email account she uses with me. As such, she is stuck with a free service that is becoming cumbersome. Would it violate her privacy any if I were to upgrade her account myself, attaching my credit card to it? |
| 19:05.22 | stoned | godmachine81, nope |
| 19:05.27 | valdyn | godmachine81: no i misread, what the hell is an svga port supposed to be? |
| 19:05.35 | treestone | sanmarcos: You can only do that to a limited extent. By setting 'chgrp +s' on a directory all new files will be in that group. But you can't control the permissions, unless there's something in the new ACL support, which I don't know. |
| 19:05.38 | Rotzeklotz | grr, gives me an error: keyservererror |
| 19:05.40 | azeem | embetty: your question is off topic here, please ask another channel |
| 19:05.48 | azeem | embetty: or explain how it is connected to Debian |
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| 19:05.57 | sanmarcos | treestone: thanks, only chgrp +s, no user? |
| 19:06.02 | godmachine81 | well the external montior output from the laptop |
| 19:06.13 | godmachine81 | svga port should be common sense |
| 19:06.18 | Maulkin | embetty: That depends on the law wherever you are and the T+S of the service. However, it's off topic here. Try somewhere else. |
| 19:06.20 | valdyn | godmachine81: that's the same as a standard gfx card output |
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| 19:06.30 | Eroick_ | aarchie: as up to date as ubuntu's |
| 19:06.34 | stoned | godmachine81, its broken |
| 19:06.38 | treestone | sanmarcos: I don't think that can be done in Linux, no. Because in Linux a user can't 'give' a file to another user, unlike in e.g. irix. |
| 19:06.38 | valdyn | godmachine81: no not really, if anything its a vga port |
| 19:06.41 | embetty | All right. |
| 19:06.41 | jon_kare | My middle mouse button has stopped working |
| 19:06.48 | embetty | Nice chatting with you all. |
| 19:06.48 | stoned | the D connecter jack is totally borked |
| 19:06.48 | jon_kare | sid on IBM T23 |
| 19:06.56 | jon_kare | Am I the only one? |
| 19:06.58 | sanmarcos | treestone: right, unless it was done as root |
| 19:07.02 | godmachine81 | valdyn, ok, dont be soo technical |
| 19:07.05 | treestone | sanmarcos: Exactly. |
| 19:07.05 | valdyn | godmachine81: or even EGA if you want |
| 19:07.07 | stoned | I wonder, is there a debian for a TI-92/89 calc |
| 19:07.08 | stoned | hehehe |
| 19:07.20 | valdyn | godmachine81: i didnt meant to be, i didnt know what you really meant |
| 19:07.21 | godmachine81 | haha |
| 19:07.31 | godmachine81 | stoned, i have a TI 92 |
| 19:07.38 | godmachine81 | if u find one lemme know |
| 19:07.39 | stoned | I've got 89 |
| 19:07.39 | godmachine81 | haha |
| 19:07.41 | sanmarcos | treestone: where can I find a detailed manual of chgrp, neither man or info provide anything relating to +s ? |
| 19:07.44 | aarchie | I've just got a webcam which is automatically recognised on my testing (etch) system and three devices appear (/dev/video{0,1,2}). None of these seem to open though. Xawtv reports "can't open /dev/video0: Message too long". Can anyone advise? |
| 19:07.55 | stoned | oh man, I need to read up on how over the network X protocol works |
| 19:08.04 | stoned | figure out what to do with my spare machiens |
| 19:08.09 | valdyn | stoned: its pointless |
| 19:08.15 | stoned | why? |
| 19:08.23 | valdyn | stoned: because it does not save resources |
| 19:08.24 | Rotzeklotz | dpkg: that didnt work, requested the key at subkeys.pgp.net, but didnt get a response |
| 19:08.33 | valdyn | stoned: puts your laptop to work for NO benefit |
| 19:08.34 | stoned | valdyn, don't people have displayless Xservers and thats where clients run thier apps |
| 19:08.39 | godmachine81 | stoned, it wont be very fast i can tell you that |
| 19:08.44 | valdyn | stoned: 20 years ago yea |
| 19:08.44 | stoned | well fuck |
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| 19:08.50 | stoned | :( |
| 19:08.51 | sanmarcos | treestone: hmm there is no chgrp +s |
| 19:09.28 | godmachine81 | the only point in using a remote display server is if you have a server machine running miles away, and you want to get to your X desktop from a remote location.. |
| 19:09.35 | treestone | sanmarcos: Sorry, I meant 'chmod' of course. |
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| 19:09.43 | Maulkin | Rotzeklotz: I'd have a look around backports.org then, they key may be somehwere on there |
| 19:09.48 | treestone | sanmarcos: 'chmod g+s' |
| 19:09.53 | stoned | godmachine81, when you're a pothead, the next room is miles away :( |
| 19:10.05 | godmachine81 | lol |
| 19:10.07 | aarchie | Eroick_: it depends on the package. it is very difficult to generalise as different developers have different release strategies and different packages need different amounts of work. But as a rule it is probably just about as up-to-date for a good number of packages. |
| 19:10.24 | treestone | sanmarcos: You first use 'chgrp' to set the group of the dir, then 'chmod g+s' |
| 19:10.27 | valdyn | stoned: if you had a really cpu - intense application that could only output to an X display, then it would make sense, but your apps are not that |
| 19:10.34 | Maulkin | treestone: it's in the chmod man page |
| 19:10.35 | sanmarcos | treestone: +s is suid? |
| 19:10.36 | godmachine81 | when your a pothead and using remote desktop server then you will be freakin cuz its soo damn slow |
| 19:10.40 | valdyn | stoned: cpu - intense non-graphic operations |
| 19:10.49 | Eroick_ | aarchie: ok, thanks. i like ubuntu, but debian is more customisable. |
| 19:10.57 | treestone | sanmarcos: Yes, but when used as the group bit on directories it has the effect I described. |
| 19:11.24 | sanmarcos | treestone: only on dirs, not on files |
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| 19:11.45 | treestone | sanmarcos: Although, however, I believe all your users will have to be in that group for this to work (add them to the group in question) |
| 19:11.47 | sanmarcos | treestone: so If i I wanted all files and dirs to be created inside "mydir", then I would just chmod g+s mydir |
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| 19:12.17 | stoned | what I don't understand is this. If I am on desktop, and login to laptop with ssh -X, and start up kicker, so I can have my beloved kde panel, for example, so then what is going on here. Kicker will run/execute on laptop, but when it displayes to desktop, it will take NO ram on laptop, but whatever RAM it needs on desktop? |
| 19:12.21 | stoned | thats kinda stupid :( |
| 19:12.29 | stoned | unless I am still misunderstanding |
| 19:12.40 | valdyn | stoned: it will take ram on both |
| 19:12.44 | godmachine81 | the next room is sometimes unable to get to for me cuz im a lil more extreme than pot lol.. i get 90 xanax a month and they're gone the first day or two.. so i am pretty much unable to move from one position. thats why i run it locally and when something goes wrong im not endangering my life having to run to the next room just to restart a server or make some crazy change to it |
| 19:12.48 | treestone | sanmarcos: Only dirs, yes. On files it's different. And for the last question: mkdir a; chgrp some_group a; chmod g+s a; touch a/test-file |
| 19:13.08 | sanmarcos | treestone: ah there it works |
| 19:13.08 | valdyn | stoned: but the display bitmaps are on the computer where its DISPLAYED, that is the majority of ram used for firefox / konquerors etc |
| 19:13.12 | stoned | valdyn, I see |
| 19:13.16 | azeem | godmachine81: please try to stay on topic |
| 19:13.17 | sanmarcos | treestone: if I did u+s? then if files were created by root they would be given to my user? |
| 19:13.32 | godmachine81 | azeem, that was on topic, just a joke |
| 19:13.35 | godmachine81 | lol |
| 19:13.35 | stoned | valdyn, but it will save some ram by utilizing processor and ram of the laptop though |
| 19:13.37 | godmachine81 | sorry azeem |
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| 19:13.42 | stoned | I mean its not completely useless is it? |
| 19:13.51 | aarchie | Eroick_: no worries. i tend to think another thing that debian has going for it is stability & predictability. it tries to do everything the right way, although that's not always the fastest way! |
| 19:14.03 | valdyn | stoned: some cpu time and probabably an insignificant small amount of ram |
| 19:14.19 | treestone | sanmarcos: Never tried that, because I don't think that would work. Obviously you can easily test out those things in some safe place and figure out what works. But as I said, controlling permission (rwxrwx..) won't be as easy. |
| 19:14.28 | godmachine81 | stoned, why dont you just buy a new screen for it? |
| 19:14.30 | Eroick_ | aarchie: debian testing is still fairly stable, right? |
| 19:14.31 | stoned | well shizboo |
| 19:14.35 | stoned | man :( |
| 19:14.35 | sanmarcos | treestone: umask comes to mind |
| 19:14.53 | stoned | I have no money, I purchased other stuff |
| 19:14.56 | valdyn | stoned: konqueror might be very ugly over remote display too, it uses a different method than firefox, which saves ram but is not suited for remote display really |
| 19:14.56 | treestone | sanmarcos: Yes, but you don't have full control of the other users' umask.. |
| 19:14.59 | Maulkin | Eroick_: Erm... sort of, but not really. Stable is a bit of a subjective word. |
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| 19:15.12 | valdyn | stoned: ( last i read anyway, i didnt try ) |
| 19:15.20 | stoned | valdyn, if you had my broken laptop, and no money to fix it, what would you do with it |
| 19:15.24 | sanmarcos | treestone: ah, but I guess sgid is good, I have g+rx anyways, so it satisfies my needs |
| 19:15.27 | stoned | and don't say throw it away :) |
| 19:15.42 | Maulkin | stoned: I'd use it as a server |
| 19:15.45 | valdyn | stoned: i'd put my mailserver on it, the load from filtering spam keeps annoying me |
| 19:15.48 | Eroick_ | Maulkin: it isnt going to crash on me every 10 minutes, is it :P? |
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| 19:15.58 | stoned | I don't have a mail server |
| 19:15.59 | Maulkin | Eroick_: *probably* not. |
| 19:16.01 | stoned | I use nullmailer |
| 19:16.18 | stoned | well, its null, but its still a ms |
| 19:16.19 | treestone | sanmarcos: We use this setup internally between different developers adding stuff to directories, with an agreed umask. sgid takes care of the rest. Works fine as long as nobody tries sabotage. |
| 19:16.24 | valdyn | stoned: make it your firewall or somesuch |
| 19:16.27 | godmachine81 | why does the display output not work stoned? |
| 19:16.32 | stoned | valdyn, I have a good router |
| 19:16.43 | Maulkin | stoned: They're quite good servers. Built in UPSes |
| 19:16.48 | stoned | godmachine81, my professor gave me it last year, it was a hot machine, just broken screen |
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| 19:16.58 | stoned | so I put linux on it and hooked it up to my n etwork |
| 19:17.05 | stoned | now I dunno what to do with it |
| 19:17.05 | godmachine81 | but you cant hook a standard monitor to it? |
| 19:17.07 | sanmarcos | treestone: yes, sgid avoids having to do recursive permission resetting in say www dirs |
| 19:17.09 | stoned | I run my webserver on it |
| 19:17.10 | godmachine81 | and use it as a desktop? |
| 19:17.13 | stoned | right now |
| 19:17.26 | treestone | sanmarcos: Exactly. For that it does the job. |
| 19:17.34 | stoned | godmachine81, the D connecter jack on back is broken for external mon. |
| 19:17.36 | sanmarcos | treestone: thank you so much :) |
| 19:17.45 | treestone | sanmarcos: No problem. |
| 19:17.50 | aarchie | Eroick_: it is still in development. but it is made up of only packages which have passed some basic tests. like that there haven't been too many major bugs spotted in them. so I tend to put quite a lot of faith in it. things will break but not as badly as unstable and you get much newer versions than stable. |
| 19:17.51 | godmachine81 | does it have an S-Video output? |
| 19:17.54 | stoned | nope |
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| 19:17.56 | stoned | nothing |
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| 19:18.12 | stoned | I tried to see if I could solder the pins directly into the socket myself |
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| 19:18.23 | stoned | but I don' twant to risk opening it up until I have proper tools |
| 19:18.31 | stoned | I found the connecter pin shcematics online |
| 19:19.04 | stoned | that way I could hook up my old 14" monitor from 1996 |
| 19:19.10 | stoned | heh |
| 19:19.17 | godmachine81 | maybe you could find another one like yours for parts on fleabay |
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| 19:19.57 | stoned | I also raided a bank when they were throwing away thier hard drives and machines, I only scored 7 compaq 1gz machines, each with 256mb ram, thin machines. hard drives wiped out |
| 19:20.26 | stoned | I have em in my closet, never hooked em up but tested them all, they work |
| 19:20.36 | aarchie | Eroick_: I haven't had any crashes with it for a very long time! what i mean by 'break' is just that a feature appears in an app that isn't fully ready to use or something of that nature. |
| 19:20.39 | treestone | stoned: So you're ready for your own Beowulf cluster? |
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| 19:20.52 | stoned | not even close |
| 19:20.56 | anywavedave | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.57 | Rotzeklotz | ok, got it right, ran apt-get updtae, and then apt-get -t sarge-backports install xserver-xorg, but it is already the latest version |
| 19:20.59 | stoned | I have never read anything about clustering |
| 19:21.09 | stoned | but soon |
| 19:21.20 | Vasistha | sortadi: hey, still around? |
| 19:21.55 | treestone | stoned: ok but you could maybe use it as a distributed compile stack..apt-cache show distcc |
| 19:22.07 | stoned | you know thats all greek to me man |
| 19:22.16 | stoned | I don't know that much... yet |
| 19:22.42 | MatBoy | I sthere no stock-kernel for APT-GET in Etch anymore ? |
| 19:23.10 | anywavedave | I've got a problem with my floppy drive as in error messages when I try to mount. #flood mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified |
| 19:23.16 | jhenn | is backports allowed discussion here? |
| 19:23.26 | stoned | I think so |
| 19:23.38 | jhenn | okay stoned thinks so, so here goeas |
| 19:23.39 | stoned | they aren't officially supported though |
| 19:23.50 | stoned | 3rd party stuff you know |
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| 19:24.22 | jhenn | if i install backports, is it possible i will break my system on ugrading when etch comes out? |
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| 19:25.06 | stoned | no, updated/new packages will take precedence over older packages. it shouldn't be that bad to fix if it gets bad. I've upgraded from a sarge+tons of backports to sid without a problem |
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| 19:26.06 | anywavedave | i've done everything i could find on google/linux with no change effected I've been commenting the original and any changes before doing them so I could at least get back to where I started from. |
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| 19:28.46 | godmachine81 | i have an old amd k6 II 500mhz processor, I loaded sarge on it, everything went fine, but i have noticed that if i try any kernel newer than 2.6.8 it will reboot the machine within the first 5 seconds of loading the kernel. Does anyone know what I can do to get the kernel to work? Actually i dont think the 686, 486, or k6 kernels will work on 2.6.8 either.. most recent version that will boot for me is 2.6.8 386.. |
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| 19:29.13 | Kaeles | lol |
| 19:29.21 | Kaeles | make sure you use the 386 kernel |
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| 19:29.35 | NobodHere | hey all, I'm having a hell of a time trying to get server-status enabled on apache2 |
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| 19:29.42 | Kaeles | i have sarge running on a k6-244 and its working just fine. |
| 19:29.45 | Kaeles | err k6-233 |
| 19:29.49 | Vasistha | stoned: hey, so you've used a lot of backports, huh? Out of curiousity, do you have an older box, or is it pretty fast? |
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| 19:29.59 | treestone | godmachine81: You probably a) have to compile the kernel yourself, b) be very careful with what pci chipset you add in support for c) be prepared to try out different options and recompile. |
| 19:30.09 | pipeline | godmachine81: First thing's first: disable acpi |
| 19:30.21 | pipeline | godmachine81: acpi=off in the kernel arguments |
| 19:30.28 | pipeline | godmachine81: causes 99% of problems on new or old hardware :P |
| 19:30.30 | anywavedave | I've pasted my fstab entry fo the floppy at http://channels.debian.net/paste/2671 |
| 19:30.41 | dondelelcaro | godmachine81: uh... are you using the same .configure as the working 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 19:30.44 | dondelelcaro | s/ure// |
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| 19:30.56 | stoned | I just reinstall my whole system, I've been on sid for a few years, mainly, now I just installed sarge, because I need to run a bunch of different file services for friends, so yeah. Right now I am using kde 3.5 backport. |
| 19:31.44 | Youpi | t |
| 19:31.48 | Vasistha | stoned: I've been considering the openoffice 2 backport because OOo takes soooo long to load on my machine, like 2 minutes to start |
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| 19:32.29 | no0ke | !love |
| 19:32.30 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
| 19:32.30 | Nosf3ratu | Fuck you, cunt. |
| 19:32.52 | jhenn | stoned: does backports.org even officially support the breakage that may ensue? |
| 19:32.56 | stoned | my system specs are quite modern, I do have an older machine, I ran sarge and sid both on it for 1 year, a year before sarge was stable. it was 866mhz 128mb ram, and it ran great, when sarge went stable, I still used it on that machine and it worked good, with whatever backports I required a few months after. sometimes when you do a simple sid backport, the program will compiel alright but it won't run, or will cause problems or errors, so |
| 19:32.57 | stoned | metimes dependencies can't even be met depending on what the differences in libs are etc. |
| 19:33.21 | stoned | jhenn, nope, never needed much support, I use the net and search and then if nothing i ask here |
| 19:33.24 | NobodHere | can anyone help with getting server-status enabled, please? |
| 19:33.25 | stoned | usually it works out |
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| 19:33.44 | dondelelcaro | NobodHere: just ask your question; normally that's a matter of uncommenting the section of your apache configuration file. |
| 19:33.54 | NobodHere | don, I did. Still no go. |
| 19:34.09 | jhenn | stoned: in six months im coming to look for YOU |
| 19:34.18 | NobodHere | I even tried setting "allow all" and I still get permission denied |
| 19:34.22 | NobodHere | [Sun May 28 15:27:41 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] client denied by server configuration: /var/www/server-status |
| 19:34.23 | dondelelcaro | NobodHere: my nick is dondelelcaro, not don... did you restart apache? Paste your full configuration file |
| 19:34.42 | NobodHere | yes, I restarted apache. |
| 19:34.56 | godmachine81 | dondelelcaro, yes im using the standard kernel.. i know that when i try to boot with boot cds that have a newer version of the kernel it reboots too.. how do i disable the acpi argument? |
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| 19:35.07 | dondelelcaro | godmachine81: noacpi |
| 19:35.16 | dondelelcaro | godmachine81: see Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 19:35.20 | NobodHere | I'm confused because I can't find the mod_status.so module anywhere, and it's not clear where the proper place is to enable server-status when I'm using virtual hosts |
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| 19:35.50 | Dorfl | Hello, woud someone be able to help me with wpa_supplicant please? When I try to load it, it reports that the Association request to the driver failed. |
| 19:35.51 | NobodHere | but apache doesn't barf on the ExtendedStatus keyword, so I guess the module is builtin |
| 19:35.58 | Timtow | what's the path to the pid files? |
| 19:36.20 | Vasistha | Timtow: maybe you are referring to /proc ? |
| 19:36.31 | Timtow | I guess...I need to kill a pid |
| 19:36.41 | NobodHere | I tried enabling it in both the main apache2.conf and the virtualhost file for the domain, but neither has worked. |
| 19:36.56 | treestone | Timtow: ps -ef, or maybe your app wrote its pid to /var/run/<whatever> |
| 19:36.57 | stoned | Timtow, here is a tip, set a cron to updatedb once a day, or twice a day if you add shiz all the time or remove it, then just do locate blah, for example. locate .pid |
| 19:36.58 | stoned | etc. |
| 19:37.00 | Vasistha | Timtow: if you know the pid then kill <pid> where <pid> is the number. |
| 19:37.16 | Timtow | yep, it's in var/run/ tahnk |
| 19:37.16 | Vasistha | Timtow: you can also use killall to kill apps by their name |
| 19:37.23 | stoned | Timtow, that is if you're looking for pid files. if you want to see proceses do ps |
| 19:37.44 | Timtow | writing a restart bash script for samba, was needing to know where the pid file was |
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| 19:38.44 | Vasistha | Timtow: sorry for my distracting gibberish :-) |
| 19:39.04 | Timtow | no problem, I made note of the info, will come in helpful, I 'm sure |
| 19:39.10 | pvd2006 | How do you completely format a partition? I accidently setup debian on the same partition twice without doing a full reformat and its all messed up. |
| 19:39.11 | NobodHere | anyone? |
| 19:39.11 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 19:39.32 | Vasistha | pvd2006: mkfs.ext2 |
| 19:39.35 | stoned | pvd2006, mkfs |
| 19:39.40 | Vasistha | pvd2006: or mkfs.whatever |
| 19:39.44 | stoned | ext2? hehe |
| 19:39.46 | pvd2006 | is there an mkfs.ext3? |
| 19:39.56 | Vasistha | pvd2006: I think so, yeah |
| 19:39.56 | stoned | pvd2006, you should use xfs |
| 19:40.04 | stoned | in my opinion that is |
| 19:40.05 | pvd2006 | I heard xfs was a bit quicker, is that true? |
| 19:40.09 | stoned | yes it is |
| 19:40.18 | stoned | in my exp. |
| 19:40.20 | Vasistha | stoned: does xfs support secure deletion with shred ? |
| 19:40.25 | pvd2006 | It doesnt cause any problems or compatibility problems? |
| 19:40.37 | Maulkin | pvd2006: Have a read of http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 19:40.42 | stoned | I don't know, I just switched today when I installed sarge |
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| 19:40.49 | stoned | I was running reiser fs up until now |
| 19:40.52 | Vasistha | pvd2006: you won't be able to run explore2fs to navigate the fs from a windows boot :-) |
| 19:40.54 | pvd2006 | ok:) got to install links so I can read it since im in command line right now:) |
| 19:40.57 | ic3man05 | I found reiser fs slow |
| 19:41.06 | ic3man05 | and I didn't care much for xfs |
| 19:41.07 | Dorfl | Could someone suggest a good simple firewall please for a roaming wireless laptop? |
| 19:41.11 | ic3man05 | I'm sticking to ext3 |
| 19:41.16 | pvd2006 | Vasistha: oh, thats pretty important actually. |
| 19:41.24 | Vasistha | Dorfl: for a gui app, I like guraddog |
| 19:41.35 | stoned | in fact, my media drive with porn and music and games is 250gb reiser fs, and it takes ages to mount/umount, it is quite slow, and when I use/access files on the 20gb xfs partition is iti pronto super fast |
| 19:41.40 | Dorfl | Vasistha: Anything that is console-based? I have no desktops installed. |
| 19:41.40 | stoned | its crazy fast for me |
| 19:41.43 | Timtow | what about for a web/fileserver Vasistha? |
| 19:41.48 | Vasistha | pvd2006: oh, you duual boot,, and need to access the fs from windows? you should make sure you have an available tool... |
| 19:41.56 | pvd2006 | Considering I cant write to my ntfs partitions |
| 19:41.57 | pipeline | stoned: The thing about reiserfs is that it abuses caching like a motherfucker. |
| 19:41.59 | ic3man05 | reisfer fs is slow to mount, thats why I didn't like it |
| 19:42.11 | pipeline | stoned: My 660G XFS volume sucks up a hundred megs of RAM, easily. |
| 19:42.20 | pipeline | stoned: err, the thing about XFS is that it abuses caching. |
| 19:42.20 | stoned | damn |
| 19:42.20 | Vasistha | Dorfl: I dunno, myself. Lots of folks in here should be able to recommend a console-based firewall configurator |
| 19:42.22 | Maulkin | I've also found reiser to be... unreliable |
| 19:42.23 | treestone | Dorfl: The simplest is just to use 'iptables' and a shell script to set it up. |
| 19:42.23 | pipeline | stoned: This is both a good and a bad thing. |
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| 19:42.29 | Timtow | what about a firewall for a web/fileserver Vasistha? |
| 19:42.32 | pipeline | stoned: It's fuckoff fast, but you had *better* have the spare memory :P |
| 19:42.36 | Vasistha | Timtow: in terms of FS? I think it should be transparent |
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| 19:42.44 | Dorfl | treestone: How difficult would that be for someone who has never done such before? |
| 19:42.48 | stoned | well, its only a 20g drive |
| 19:42.49 | Timtow | lol, and that means? |
| 19:42.55 | streuner | !start a FS war |
| 19:42.55 | dpkg | UDF uses too much overhead! |
| 19:42.59 | Maulkin | My reccomendation is still: if you don't have a UPS, use ext3. |
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| 19:43.03 | pvd2006 | alright Ill try xfs I have 200gigs, and 1gig of ram |
| 19:43.08 | Vasistha | Timtow: oh, a firewall for that? I'm no firewall expert. Didn't realize what you were writing about |
| 19:43.20 | stoned | plus its only full 10% if even that, I think only a gig is taken so far, i just installed sarge plus crap plus apt's cache |
| 19:43.32 | Timtow | :D no prob...I just seen the firewall comment and knew I need one, thought I'd ask |
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| 19:43.42 | treestone | Dorfl: Depends on how complex you want the firewall to be. For simple stuff like giving access to e.g. some hosts or networks it's not too difficult to figure out. A lot easier than it used to be with the old 'ipchains' equivalent, at least. |
| 19:43.57 | pipeline | pvd2006: Keep in mind that if you use XFS for root, you need to set up a miniroot or have a rescue CD with the repair tools. |
| 19:44.12 | pipeline | pvd2006: It can't be repaired non-interactively because XFS will never, ever throw away data without user interventien :\ |
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| 19:44.18 | Timtow | Can anybody recommend a good firewall solution for a webserver? |
| 19:44.22 | treestone | Dorfl: I mean, I have scripts of 6 to 10 lines for a couple of simple linux-based routers that I use. |
| 19:44.24 | pvd2006 | I dont have an option to mkfs.xfs |
| 19:44.30 | aarchie | I'm trying to get my "0c45:608f Microdia" webcam running on testing (etch). It is automatically recognised by the standard kernel and all the /var/log/messages look good. But then when trying to open it I get "/dev/video0: Message too long". Can anyone advise on where I can get more detail? |
| 19:44.35 | Dorfl | treestone: Basically I'll be using this laptop for ssh/ftp [for talking to my website server] web and irc. |
| 19:44.50 | pipeline | pvd2006: You probably don't have xfsutils installed. |
| 19:44.59 | marco13185 | anyone know how to start KDE in Xnest |
| 19:45.00 | pvd2006 | sudo aptitude install xfsutils? |
| 19:45.16 | Vasistha | Timtow: well, guarddog uses iptables as a backend, which is a good system, and I find guarddog intuitive and powerful/complete |
| 19:45.27 | treestone | Dorfl: There are howtos for iptables out there. Usually they never have the exact setup you want, but you still want to read them ;-) And you can test out iptables interactively. |
| 19:45.31 | stoned | pvd2006, if you have sudo installed sure |
| 19:45.34 | Timtow | I don't have a GUI |
| 19:45.46 | jhenn | is there an easy way to compile a autoconfiged kernel from backports? |
| 19:45.46 | stoned | debian by default afaik doesn't install sudo or configure a /etc/sudoers for anyone but root |
| 19:45.46 | Dorfl | treestone: Thank you kindly, I'll look into that. |
| 19:46.22 | Vasistha | Timtow: ahha ... yeah, listen to treestone / Dorfl |
| 19:46.23 | pvd2006 | yeah im use to ubuntu, lol |
| 19:46.23 | pvd2006 | su root |
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| 19:46.24 | jhenn | sudo -s |
| 19:46.27 | stoned | I always install sudo |
| 19:46.28 | treestone | Dorfl: If I remember correctly there should be some articles in linux journal from two or three years back, you could probably find them online on their web site. |
| 19:46.31 | anywavedave | ok I guess people her have bigger issues! I'll just boot into my Windows partition and use my floppy drive there. If someone here knows of a better channel than this one to address device issues let me know. thanks |
| 19:46.34 | Timtow | ok, so it's not necessarily a package, I gotta learn iptables and stuff |
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| 19:46.48 | Dorfl | treestone: Excellent. |
| 19:47.06 | stoned | then makes aliiases like alias install='sudo apt-get install', then just type install blah, enter pass you're set |
| 19:47.08 | Vasistha | anywavedave: sorry man, didn't hear your question :P sometimes you just have to ask at the right time when the right person is listening... |
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| 19:47.13 | stoned | make aliases like that for all commands |
| 19:47.30 | pvd2006 | ahh its xfsprogs |
| 19:47.34 | stoned | for example alias list='dpkg -L', then just type list pkgname |
| 19:47.35 | stoned | etc. |
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| 19:48.08 | Bitz | deadcat? |
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| 19:48.27 | dooglus | stoned: make an alias, with an easier to remember name - then you won't have to remember the switch. |
| 19:48.40 | dooglus | stoned: for example: alias dpkg-L='dpkg -L' |
| 19:48.46 | stoned | umm |
| 19:48.56 | Vasistha | dooglus: oh yeah, dpkg-L -- brilliant! |
| 19:48.57 | dooglus | stoned: then you can simply type the command dpkg-L and not need to remember any still switches |
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| 19:49.12 | Vasistha | that just completely solves the problem... |
| 19:49.22 | pvd2006 | lol |
| 19:49.29 | pvd2006 | got a whole space taken away:) |
| 19:49.40 | dooglus | Vasistha: it's just a proof of concept. I'll leave it to the marketing chaps to come up with a better name for it. |
| 19:50.05 | stoned | the amount of time wasted over a lifetime by typing extra keys is quite much |
| 19:50.08 | dooglus | Vasistha: maybe they'll call it "list-package-contents-L" or something, I dunno. |
| 19:50.08 | Vasistha | dooglus: yeah, I was just reacting to the need to remember the switch, when the point was not having to... |
| 19:50.22 | stoned | then again, wtf will you do with that extra time you gain anyway, probably spend it on the computer |
| 19:50.23 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:50.39 | treestone | stoned: I didn't get the start of this, but if it's about remembering all the apt-get, dpkg, etc. etc. commands, then I would just do 'apt-get install wajig' and use wajig for everything. Easy. |
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| 19:50.46 | anywavedave | can anyone help with mounting floppy disk? |
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| 19:50.52 | stoned | I don't like wajig |
| 19:50.56 | Vasistha | you know, I think I actually spend more time programming scripts and tools to organize and download porn, than I actually spend looking at porn |
| 19:51.08 | stoned | it takes like 10 seconds to even start, takes a while to think |
| 19:51.10 | blondie | anywavedave: mount /dev/fd0 |
| 19:51.11 | dooglus | stoned: ok then, use: alias l='dpkg -L' then all you have to type is 'l' |
| 19:51.20 | Vasistha | anywavedave: did you try explicitly stating the file system in the mount command? |
| 19:51.26 | treestone | stoned: it's instant on all my boxes. |
| 19:51.27 | stoned | dooglus, THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE ffs |
| 19:51.27 | pvd2006 | alright I got mkfs.xfs now. |
| 19:51.32 | stoned | thank you |
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| 19:51.46 | dooglus | stoned: so was that. you can use 'x' if you like. USE YOUR IMAGINATION ffs |
| 19:51.48 | stoned | treestone, I remember it being very slow |
| 19:51.56 | ansong | i've got two systems without sound: upon login to kde, i get the message "soundserver (artsd) has crashed" giving me signal 11. this message pops up every 2 or 3 seconds. both systems are running unstable, arts version 1.5.3-1. the backtrace button tells me that the backtrace is useless. any help is appreciated |
| 19:52.04 | anywavedave | blondie, that's what i have in my fstab |
| 19:52.22 | pvd2006 | I cant run it because im on the partition I want to install it on so ill have to load up xubuntu and do it. but all I have to do is run mkfs.xfs /dev/hdc4 when its unmounted and it will delete everything already on it right |
| 19:52.48 | Vasistha | pvd2006: that should do it |
| 19:52.50 | cahoot | ansong: problems in sid== visit bugs.debian.org - in this case look for libasound2 |
| 19:52.51 | anywavedave | blondie, actually it's /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 19:52.59 | pvd2006 | alright |
| 19:53.02 | pvd2006 | I am going to go do it now |
| 19:53.03 | pvd2006 | thanks |
| 19:53.13 | treestone | stoned: On my box 'wajig list' takes 1 second more (as timed with 'time') than 'dpkg --list |
| 19:53.17 | stoned | pvd2006, why don't you just do it while you install the os |
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| 19:53.34 | blondie | anywavedave: yes, so try typing "mount /dev/fd0" |
| 19:53.48 | dooglus | stoned: I have "alias urpmi='sudo apt-get install'" - that way I can have the power of apt-get with the easy-to-rememberness of the mandriva command. |
| 19:53.59 | stoned | I think I used it around the days of sarge/testing |
| 19:54.05 | stoned | maybe it was slow back then |
| 19:54.23 | stoned | but I distinctly getting annoyed with its slowpokeness |
| 19:54.28 | stoned | remember* |
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| 19:54.55 | GarethNelson | trying to install on a sun ultra 10 here |
| 19:55.06 | anywavedave | blondie, mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified is what happens when I do that and try to add files to the floppy |
| 19:55.06 | stoned | word |
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| 19:55.23 | GarethNelson | keep on getting errors with "couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0" |
| 19:55.28 | Vasistha | heh fdisk -l /dev/fd0 certainly gives interesting results... |
| 19:55.28 | GarethNelson | any ideas? |
| 19:55.32 | blondie | anywavedave: is it formatted? |
| 19:55.50 | blondie | (or broken -- floppy disks are reliable as chocolate teapots) |
| 19:55.53 | anywavedave | blondie, |
| 19:56.10 | stoned | er.. |
| 19:56.15 | treestone | anywavedave: file -s /dev/fd0 |
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| 19:56.17 | GarethNelson | anyone got debian running on sparc alright? |
| 19:56.19 | stoned | I'd eat em |
| 19:56.33 | anywavedave | I think so. I don't know how to format the disk isf I can't access the device though. |
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| 19:56.43 | f- | hi. how to zip a folder? |
| 19:57.07 | treestone | f-: 'man zip' is quite clear on that.. |
| 19:57.10 | stoned | f-, add contrib non-free to your sources.list apt-get install zip and then use it |
| 19:57.50 | anywavedave | blondie, I think so. I don't know how to format the disk isf I can't access the device though. |
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| 19:58.04 | stoned | f-, apt-get install rar unrar zip unzip arj +your optional ark/file-roller |
| 19:58.06 | blondie | anywavedave: mkfs.msdos /dev/fd0 |
| 19:58.11 | RvGaTe | Hi, a friend of mine has been given a laptop, he wants to install debian on it, problem is: he has no cd-rom drive in it. Its an old laptop (Dell Latitude XPi P133ST). |
| 19:58.35 | blondie | RvGaTe: does it have network and floppy drive? |
| 19:58.45 | anywavedave | blondie, I'll su and then type that in my console. |
| 19:58.56 | GarethNelson | can someone give me a hand with getting this to work on sparc? |
| 19:58.57 | blondie | right |
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| 19:59.13 | RvGaTe | blondie: yes |
| 19:59.26 | blondie | RvGaTe: well you can get a network boot floppy disk |
| 19:59.30 | anywavedave | blondie, no such directory message comes up |
| 19:59.34 | blondie | s/boot/install/ |
| 19:59.45 | blondie | anywavedave: what does "ls /dev/fd0" say? |
| 19:59.47 | stoned | RvGaTe, what OS does it have |
| 19:59.50 | RvGaTe | blondie: any instruction pages for that? |
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| 20:00.00 | kurumin | #cspiaui |
| 20:00.02 | RvGaTe | stoned: currently he sits at winxp pro |
| 20:00.09 | blondie | RvGaTe: should be on debian.org installation instructions |
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| 20:00.24 | anywavedave | blondie, No such file or directory |
| 20:00.26 | treestone | anywavedave: 'dmesg|grep -i floppy' should output something, if not then maybe you don't have floppy suport compiled in (or module loaded) |
| 20:00.52 | stoned | RvGaTe, you can use Grub for NT, and boot the netinstaller kernel/initrd with it. Follow the grub for nt manual to isntall grub under windows xp. then follow the debian installation manual to install the netboot kernel/initrd and how to follow debian installation |
| 20:01.12 | blondie | stoned: I think it would be easier to use a floppy disk... |
| 20:01.22 | stoned | blondie, if he has one then go for it |
| 20:01.39 | stoned | or actually not one but many |
| 20:01.47 | anywavedave | treestone, no output from dmesg -i floppy now what? |
| 20:02.08 | Vasistha | GarethNelson: let's see, you're unable to boot your sparc system at all? not even really starting a boot process? can't find valid ram disk image? |
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| 20:03.05 | davidh | vasistha: Hi |
| 20:03.08 | stoned | I want to be a ramdisk image |
| 20:03.12 | Vasistha | davidh: hi |
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| 20:03.24 | stoned | I wonder if there is little people like matrix living in our pcs |
| 20:03.26 | davidh | can we continue on power down probelm? |
| 20:03.37 | blondie | stoned: network install using floppy to boot I meant |
| 20:03.40 | stoned | hardware connection to the software, some train |
| 20:03.44 | Vasistha | davidh: any luck? Did you ever try explicitly turning off acpi in the kernel init line? |
| 20:03.47 | stoned | blondie, oh ok |
| 20:03.52 | Vasistha | davidh: I'm going to be out for a few mins |
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| 20:04.01 | treestone | anywavedave: If that's a Debian kernel there may be a module for it, but I wouldn't know. |
| 20:04.11 | blondie | anywavedave: what kind of floppy drive is it? |
| 20:04.21 | blondie | anywavedave: also, is the drive enabled in the bios? |
| 20:04.31 | davidh | Vasistha: I did not work on power problem, but able to change bios to quick boot , reduce boot time |
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| 20:05.04 | Nuvem | Hi, I'm having problems with a debian install .. |
| 20:05.06 | davidh | Vasistha: What should I do to turn off acpi? |
| 20:05.22 | omkar | hi |
| 20:05.43 | omkar | how to access usb hard disk ?? im using sarge |
| 20:05.44 | anywavedave | treestone, I don't know what kind of floppy. Gateway built the computer with WinXP installed. A frienf of mine helped partition and install Debian Sarge. I'm a dual boot now. |
| 20:05.49 | Nuvem | I've tried various options upon booting, such as disabling acpi, apic, and trying a 2.6 kernel |
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| 20:06.48 | Vasistha | davidh: nice. remember the grub kernel line where you added apm=on or apm=power_off ? in addition, add to that line acpi=off noacpi |
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| 20:06.56 | Vasistha | s/line/lines |
| 20:07.15 | anywavedave | blondie, soryy though the ? was from treestone. Don't knmow what kind of floppy. Bios, I think so since system installers work from floppy as long as I'm not in Linux. |
| 20:07.21 | Nuvem | Help? |
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| 20:07.28 | Vasistha | omkar: try mount /dev/sda1 mountpoint |
| 20:07.30 | omkar | can anyone help me? |
| 20:07.37 | davidh | Vasistha: acpi=off noacpi apm=on =< this way? |
| 20:07.39 | omkar | ok vasista |
| 20:07.50 | omkar | thanks i will try |
| 20:07.52 | Vasistha | omkar: where mountpoint is maybe /mnt/usbflash |
| 20:07.57 | anywavedave | ny typing sucks! |
| 20:08.01 | omkar | ok |
| 20:08.14 | anywavedave | my typing |
| 20:08.24 | Vasistha | davidh: that might work. Mine says acpi=off noacpi apm=power_off ... I don't really know what the differences are :P |
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| 20:08.56 | stoned | is there a readymade debian /etc/ etc. config file backup+auto tar making thing |
| 20:09.00 | Vasistha | Nuvem: be patient ;-) sometimes we're busy in here, can't always get to everyone immediately |
| 20:09.03 | stoned | program/script etc. |
| 20:09.06 | stoned | it would be useful |
| 20:09.11 | Nuvem | Right. |
| 20:09.12 | pipeline | stoned: amanda, bacula |
| 20:09.16 | stoned | ok |
| 20:09.24 | treestone | anywavedave: Problem is I don't know how debian kernels are set up, but you might try to see if simply 'modprobe floppy' does something. |
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| 20:09.32 | Vasistha | Nuvem: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:09.42 | treestone | Got to go. |
| 20:09.46 | Nuvem | Trying to install debian. |
| 20:10.17 | Nuvem | But it usually hangs after 'hardware detection' .. |
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| 20:11.00 | Vasistha | Nuvem: are you sure it's actually hanging? Have you given it ten minutes? sometimes hardware detection can take a while |
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| 20:11.26 | stoned | Nuvem, I went through similar problem earlier. Grub would fail and get frozen at 50% when trying to install onto the mbr. I had to kill the grub-install proc. and then install lilo option. |
| 20:11.29 | stoned | pissed me off for an hour |
| 20:11.30 | Nuvem | Yeah, I've even left it as it is overnight, just to see what would happen .. |
| 20:11.45 | Serga | i`m instaloling debian now .. right now ia downloading packages (biz card install) and no problem ^_^ try an linux26 option at install promt |
| 20:11.48 | anywavedave | Why so mouch trouble just to get Linux to see that I have a floppy drive, a hard drive, a usb zip drive, ausb memory stick reader? Jeez they all just magically show up when I use Windows! |
| 20:11.48 | Vasistha | Nuvem: indeed, clearly hung. |
| 20:12.03 | azeem | Nuvem: did you check alt+f2 or alt+f3 for errors? |
| 20:12.04 | omkar | how can i automate the process of mounting at the startup? |
| 20:12.15 | Nuvem | Switching consoles has no effect. |
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| 20:12.28 | Vasistha | omkar: put an entry in /etc/fstab that has "auto" as an option, that does automount |
| 20:12.29 | stoned | omkar, man mount + /etc/fstab |
| 20:12.39 | azeem | Nuvem: it does nothing? |
| 20:12.55 | omkar | ok |
| 20:13.00 | Vasistha | anywavedave: there's an automount program that can do stuff more like the way windows does |
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| 20:13.06 | Vaylor | hi |
| 20:13.17 | omkar | ok |
| 20:13.20 | Nuvem | Yep, it just does nothing. Other than the HDD LED being on as well as the DVD drive .. |
| 20:13.40 | Vasistha | anywavedave: many of us like the way linux does things, rather than autodetecting the way windows does. Believe it or not, there are sometimes advantages to things not happening automatically like that |
| 20:13.45 | Serga | first you read google second you read man pages third you read the sources ^_^ |
| 20:13.45 | anywavedave | I'm getting tired of spending all my time using my computer to get Linux to build itself! I'd love to be able to create something, put it on floppy cd, or zip and share it with my friends! |
| 20:14.08 | Nuvem | I've tried doing the install on another computer though |
| 20:14.11 | Vaylor | do you know what is the comand: I want informations about my config |
| 20:14.21 | Nuvem | .. I only got as far as pre-boot. |
| 20:14.25 | omkar | how to exit Vi editor? |
| 20:14.26 | stoned | yeah..., like automatically restarting after evertime you install a goddamn program |
| 20:14.41 | Serga | maybe it`s a CD reading error |
| 20:14.46 | stoned | windows makes me wanna hate automation |
| 20:14.46 | Nuvem | What I mean is, it'll kernel panick for not detecting /dev/hdaa |
| 20:14.58 | Serga | q! |
| 20:14.58 | Nuvem | Couldn't be a CD read error .. |
| 20:15.00 | Vasistha | Uptime: 22 days, 14 hours and 53 minutes |
| 20:15.12 | chump | hey whats a good Winamp type media player for deb? |
| 20:15.19 | anywavedave | I've tried the automount programs like hal and pmount. They don't do anything! I'm so outta here! at least Firefox browser works. It's time to go jackoff somewhere else! |
| 20:15.20 | Vasistha | chump: xmms |
| 20:15.22 | Serga | xmms |
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| 20:15.37 | stoned | chump, xmms, beep media player, if you're daring, #amarok and try amarok |
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| 20:15.51 | Trewas | anywavedave: some other distro than debian might be a better choice than debian if you want things happening automagically, for example ubuntu might be easier |
| 20:15.59 | davidh | vasistha: hi? |
| 20:16.12 | Vasistha | davidh: still here, though unpredictably so :P |
| 20:16.21 | Nuvem | Funny thing is, this "hanging" happens across distros I've tried .:( |
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| 20:16.28 | davidh | not working yet |
| 20:16.36 | omkar | im not able to exit Vi |
| 20:16.42 | mirf | where can I set default window manager for X |
| 20:16.44 | Vasistha | Nuvem: could it be a hardware problem? it kinds sounds like, honestly |
| 20:16.50 | Serga | to exit vi q! |
| 20:16.52 | Vasistha | omkar: I don't know vi, but maybe q |
| 20:17.00 | Nuvem | I'm not exactly running ancient hardware .. |
| 20:17.06 | omkar | q and ! |
| 20:17.07 | davidh | Vasistha: Some body told me that I need to recompile the kernel and trun on the flag. I am now using image downloaded from debian.org |
| 20:17.09 | omkar | alrit |
| 20:17.12 | hobophobe | I'm going through my installed packages and looking to gut some of the unused stuff... things like kpilot, well I don't have a palm pilot. But when I set it for removal, it says it wants to remove kde too. Now, I use gdm, is it safe to remove kde, or will that mess up other kde-based programs I wouldn't mind keeping around? |
| 20:17.14 | Nuvem | I just don't know. |
| 20:17.16 | Vasistha | Nuvem: that doesn't mean it's not broken |
| 20:17.19 | davidh | Vasistha: Is it right? |
| 20:17.30 | Nuvem | I can boot slackware just fine though |
| 20:17.50 | Nuvem | Its those new distros that are giving me hell |
| 20:17.51 | davidh | Nuvem: what is slackware? |
| 20:17.56 | Vasistha | davidh: I doubt it, but I'm no expert. You're using the same kernel I am, and I believe it has apm support compiled in |
| 20:17.59 | interbird | Nuvem: Already tried to disable hw-sniffing I suppose ? |
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| 20:18.05 | anywavedave | Trewas, thanks, probably the best info I've received all day! I wish I'd learned that earlier before trying to customize Debian! From now on I'll get the devices working before adding a load of programs and changing the desktop, login screens, backgrounds, sounds, etc... |
| 20:18.11 | Nuvem | hw-sniffing? |
| 20:18.19 | hobophobe | hardware detection |
| 20:18.20 | Vasistha | davidh: slackware is another linux distro. check out distrowatch.com .. or maybe it's .org |
| 20:18.24 | hobophobe | "probing" etc. |
| 20:18.32 | anywavedave | Thanks for the educatuion though! |
| 20:18.36 | davidh | Vasistha: should I try acpi instead? |
| 20:18.40 | chump | hey stoned whats up? |
| 20:18.41 | Nuvem | How would i disable that upon booting? |
| 20:19.12 | Vasistha | davidh: it might be worth a shot. apt-get install acpi |
| 20:19.24 | davidh | Vasistha: are you using apci? |
| 20:19.27 | interbird | Nuvem: Option at Debian install to disable extended sniffing of hardware -- I had to disable my secondary Promise IDE |
| 20:19.40 | Nuvem | What's the argument? |
| 20:19.44 | Vasistha | davidh: no, it doesn't work with my particular laptop |
| 20:20.03 | stoned | hello |
| 20:20.14 | davidh | Vasistha: open flood channel |
| 20:20.14 | interbird | Nuvem: Boot the CD and use the F-keys to learn more |
| 20:20.33 | Nuvem | I know about the function keys .. |
| 20:20.47 | Nuvem | Just asking what the argument is for disabling hw-sniffing |
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| 20:21.51 | omkar | thanks vasistha |
| 20:21.52 | omkar | bye |
| 20:22.00 | Vasistha | davidh: let's see, acpi is probably not running because you booted your kernel with noacpi |
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| 20:22.20 | Vasistha | davidh: yeah, I think you need to apt-get install acpid |
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| 20:22.31 | davidh | Vasistha: Should I change /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 20:22.36 | Vasistha | davidh: but you should probably remove those flags from your grub menu.lst |
| 20:22.38 | interbird | Nuvem: Dunno by heart, just read the screen -- Does Knoppix boot ? |
| 20:22.40 | Vasistha | heh |
| 20:22.54 | Nuvem | Neither does knoppix |
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| 20:22.56 | Vasistha | davidh: of course you know you need to reboot before the flags will take effect |
| 20:23.04 | Vasistha | davidh: but go ahead and install acpid first |
| 20:23.06 | Nuvem | I've tried various liveCDs too .. |
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| 20:23.22 | interbird | Nuvem: At what point does it hang ? |
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| 20:24.00 | davidh | Vasistha: When I try to install acpid, error shows that my kernel does not have ACPI enabled; need to recompile the kernel |
| 20:24.04 | Nuvem | First machine: Hangs on hardware detection. Second machine: It hangs after an install, when booting debian the first time: kernel panick, and dumps me to a shell |
| 20:24.10 | Mjelva | i installed qmail earlier today, following the instructions in the "Life with qmail" article to the letter. now i want to install mysql-server, but when i try to install it (using apt-get) i'm forced to install exim in the process. now, seeing as i've got qmail installed, i can't quite make sense of this. can anyone tell me what i might be doing wrong? |
| 20:24.32 | Vasistha | davidh: not necessarily, that might just be because you passed the kernel parameter at boot time from grub menu.lst |
| 20:24.33 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell Mjelva about equivs |
| 20:24.54 | Zugschlus | that being said, why qmail? it's the worst MTA around, and unmaintained upstream for years |
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| 20:25.04 | Vasistha | davidh: why don't you change the grub kernel line(s) to say acpi=on and remove the others, reboot and try again |
| 20:25.15 | interbird | Nuvem: Bad memory ? Maybe reset BIOS to safe defaults -- Run a memtest ? |
| 20:25.34 | ere | scenario: 40 teachers with laptops running linux need to share files. Currently they have a user account on their laptop. no central authentication solution. How would you implement it? LDAP catalog with all the users + a local user acccount on the laptop with the same uid in case the laptop is not connected to the network? |
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| 20:25.37 | Nuvem | I've run memtest86+ before .. no apparent problems .. |
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| 20:26.04 | Vasistha | ere: well, one problem is they all have to have unique usernames and uids |
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| 20:26.15 | Mjelva | Zugschlus - it is? i've only heard good things about qmail :( |
| 20:26.23 | Mjelva | what do you guys recommend? |
| 20:26.34 | ere | Vasistha: yes, and they also need to be able to log in if the laptop is not connected to the network |
| 20:26.40 | Bitz | hi, do i need to update grub after making changes to menu.lst for it to take affect? |
| 20:26.41 | interbird | ere: You can set the order of resolvement but you would have to create users locally and in LDAP |
| 20:26.45 | jski23 | i have a win95 laptop hd that is jacked due to, well, win95. |
| 20:27.01 | Nuvem | On the second machine, I'm not sure why it wouldn't detect the partitions I prepared it for .. |
| 20:27.10 | EdLin | Bitz: bo |
| 20:27.10 | jski23 | i want to load dsl onto it by connecting to my desktop via a usb enclosure. |
| 20:27.12 | Zugschlus | Mjelva: if you need to ask, use postfix |
| 20:27.15 | Nuvem | They were all properly formatted during the debian install |
| 20:27.17 | EdLin | er, no |
| 20:27.21 | Zugschlus | !start an mta war |
| 20:27.21 | dpkg | exim sucks |
| 20:27.34 | Bitz | just started using grub ;) |
| 20:27.48 | Vasistha | jski23: not sure what you're trying to do. Do you want to remove win95 from the laptop and install debian or dsl? |
| 20:28.01 | jski23 | however, this isn't easy. dsl won't let me install to sda2. |
| 20:28.04 | Vasistha | Bitz: no, that's one advantage of grub over lilo |
| 20:28.06 | fericitu_ | in my server somebody had instaled ShoutCast ......how can remove it ??? |
| 20:28.07 | Bitz | i guest i should be run grub howto |
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| 20:28.11 | jski23 | vas, yes - exactly... however... |
| 20:28.12 | fericitu_ | hlp me pls |
| 20:28.17 | Bitz | s/run/read/ |
| 20:28.23 | Bitz | thanks |
| 20:28.29 | jski23 | the laptop is old and there is no way to do so via the old laptop interfaces... |
| 20:28.36 | Vasistha | Bitz: your changes to grub's menu.lst are all that are needed, no need to update |
| 20:28.44 | jski23 | i removed the hard drive and have it in an enclosure. i partitioned it, too. |
| 20:28.45 | Bitz | cool |
| 20:28.47 | pvd2006 | alright I got xfce up now I need to get my nvidia card going. |
| 20:28.49 | Mjelva | Zugschlus - ok. i guess i'll give postfix a try. how would i remove qmail, seeing as i installed it from source (following the life with qmail howto)? |
| 20:28.52 | Vasistha | jski23: does it not have either a cd or floppy drive? |
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| 20:29.02 | ssb | how to configure base system in sid? |
| 20:29.06 | Nuvem | So I guess it sucks not being able to run linux and continue depending on windows then? |
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| 20:29.20 | interbird | ere: Or, create two /etc/nsswitch.conf and select the correct one at boot using the result of ping server might be an idea |
| 20:29.20 | EdLin | ssb: iyntays |
| 20:29.23 | Zugschlus | Mjelva: well, you see why it is bad to install from source. no idea how do it completely |
| 20:29.32 | Mjelva | crap :( |
| 20:29.32 | jski23 | no cd. i believe it has a floppy drive interface, but no usb or ethernet connection, iirc. |
| 20:29.48 | Vasistha | jski23: my nick is vasistha not vas, if you abbreviate your msg won't get highlighted and I might miss it. Do you perhaps have nick tab completion? |
| 20:29.56 | ssb | EdLin, ? |
| 20:30.10 | EdLin | !iyntays |
| 20:30.18 | ssb | =) |
| 20:30.23 | jski23 | Vasistha, my bad. i was wondering how that worked. |
| 20:30.28 | Vasistha | jski23: no ethernet? hrm. |
| 20:30.34 | fericitu_ | in my server somebody had instaled ShoutCast for a online radio station......how can remove it ??? |
| 20:30.43 | EdLin | !iyhtays |
| 20:30.43 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 20:30.58 | EdLin | s/need/have/ |
| 20:31.10 | ssb | i used to run 'base-config' after installing system with debootstrap, now that does not work anymore |
| 20:31.17 | jski23 | Vasistha i thought i could just install onto my usb connected hd/enclosure... but that hasn't worked out well... |
| 20:31.32 | Vasistha | fericitu_: was it installed with apt? if so apt-get remove or whatever... |
| 20:31.37 | EdLin | ssb: yes, because base-config (regretably) will be gone in the next release. |
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| 20:31.48 | Vasistha | jski23: the hardware detection won't be right... hmm. |
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| 20:31.55 | beardy | EdLin: What will be used instead, and why? |
| 20:32.09 | light0 | um does anyone know why xpdf is so slow |
| 20:32.11 | ssb | that what i wanted to ask =] |
| 20:32.16 | Nuvem | Last night, 'foremorer' suggested I download a customized iso from some jp site and use that .. claimed it had better hw detection for newer hardware .. that install didn't get me anywhere |
| 20:32.29 | Nuvem | I guess I truly am running exotic hardware? hmmm .. |
| 20:32.31 | EdLin | beardy: all the configuration will be done in one step with the CD |
| 20:32.31 | beardy | light0: In comparison to what? What else are you doing? |
| 20:32.33 | light0 | xpdf on sarge is so slow it's practically un-useable |
| 20:32.36 | Vasistha | jski23: maybe you can find a pcmcia ethernet card? Then it would be super-easy to get a net install floppy and do a net-based install |
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| 20:32.42 | jski23 | Vasistha - can i image the cd onto the hd and then install it to itself? sounds silly... and probably is... |
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| 20:32.51 | light0 | beardy, xpdf is very slow when moving around pages.. I think it must be an old version or something? |
| 20:32.52 | pvd2006 | is it ok to install nvidia drivers onto stable version of Debian, because it says there is no version for stable only testing and unstable |
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| 20:33.07 | beardy | EdLin: I see, but if one wants to change something, that has been changed uptil now with base-config, how is that going to be handled? |
| 20:33.16 | Vasistha | jski23: actually, I think I did that myself, my laptop's cd drive is broken |
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| 20:33.23 | interbird | ere: Yet another way would be to install a local LDAP server as slave that replicates the server LDAP |
| 20:33.27 | davidh | Vasistha: Hi |
| 20:33.37 | EdLin | beardy: manually, all of it can be done manually or with dpkg-reconfigure or the like |
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| 20:33.41 | davidh | Vasistha:Still not work |
| 20:33.49 | beardy | light0: No, nothing to do with the version. What machine is that? CPU, RAM, graphics card? |
| 20:33.56 | Vasistha | davidh: what happens if you apt-get install acpid ? |
| 20:33.58 | davidh | Vasistha: `ps -ef | grep acpi` show nothing |
| 20:34.06 | davidh | yes |
| 20:34.07 | systemerror | i make glxgears and xdm is restarting what is the problem? can anyone help me? |
| 20:34.14 | ssb | I hope cd /etc; vi hostname fstab; shadowconfig; passwd would be enough |
| 20:34.16 | davidh | I have installed acpid |
| 20:34.20 | Vasistha | davidh: if I remember correctly that failed last time because acpi was disabled |
| 20:34.22 | light0 | beardy on slackware with a slackware package xpdf ran fine. it's an AMD XP 2Ghz, 64MB Nvidia card, 512MB ram |
| 20:34.40 | light0 | it takes about 20 seconds to load a page right now |
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| 20:34.54 | beardy | light0: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:34.57 | davidh | Vasistha: Either acpi enable or disable, not work |
| 20:34.58 | light0 | sarge |
| 20:35.00 | EdLin | light0: Debian's xpdf uses lesstif, most other distros opt for openmotif |
| 20:35.00 | Vasistha | jski23: but I think I had to find the right debian installation tool, I don't really remember what it was :P |
| 20:35.14 | beardy | light0: Strange.. which window-manager/dekstop? |
| 20:35.16 | light0 | EdLin, is lesstif very slow? |
| 20:35.20 | light0 | fluixbox beardy |
| 20:35.24 | Vasistha | davidh: hmm, funny, maybe acpi is not compiled into that 2.4 kernel |
| 20:35.31 | EdLin | light0: I don't know, xpdf seems fast enough here. (1.7GHz) |
| 20:35.39 | systemerror | i make glxgears and xdm is restarting what is the problem? can anyone help me? |
| 20:35.41 | davidh | Vasistha: are you uing 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 20:35.45 | valdyn | light0: run hdparm -tT on your harddisk |
| 20:35.48 | Vasistha | davidh: have you considered trying a 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:35.55 | valdyn | light0: and tell us the results |
| 20:35.57 | beardy | light0: Could you try ghostview(?) instead perhaps? |
| 20:36.04 | Vasistha | davidh: I'm using 2.4, but apm, not acpi. 2.6 has acpi and not apm |
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| 20:36.35 | beardy | light0: Or another pdf viewer, if you are not very fond of xpdf that is.. then it would be better if we could think of a way to fix it.. |
| 20:36.43 | davidh | Vasistha: I want to recompile the kernel. Is there anyway to get .config, so I do not need to run through configuration procedure |
| 20:36.58 | pvd2006 | would xfree86 cause windows to draw slower in a window manager compared to xorg? |
| 20:37.00 | davidh | Vasistha: I have downloaded the source tar ball 2.4.27 last night |
| 20:37.06 | simonrvn | that's 'cause lesstif is Free and openmotif isn't |
| 20:37.08 | Vasistha | light0: I have 333 mhz and I tend to use either xpdf or ghostview, depending on the pdf file. I sometimes use acroread which is dog slow, and not free |
| 20:37.12 | EdLin | light0: if you run KDE, kde has a pretty good pdf viewer |
| 20:37.26 | light0 | /dev/sda: |
| 20:37.26 | light0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.26 | light0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.39 | jski23 | Vasistha: thanks for the info. it has a pc card modem - but the "jack" portion is tine - not your regular phone jack connector... |
| 20:37.41 | EdLin | light0: GNOME has a couple too, and other than having lots of dependencies, they can be run in any window manager OK |
| 20:37.50 | beardy | light0: You don't need to run KDE, only have the necessary libs installed, as EdLin says, kpdf (or what the name is..?) is quite nice. |
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| 20:37.56 | Vasistha | jski23: and you lost the dongle? :P |
| 20:38.07 | davidh | Vasistha: Would show me the line in your menu.lst? |
| 20:38.13 | light0 | sure beardy ... it's just xpdf ran fine on slackware... so I'm a bit confused |
| 20:38.17 | light0 | it's a nice pdf viewer |
| 20:38.18 | EdLin | the main problem with KDE programs is that unlike GNOME they seem to load half the desktop environment into memory. |
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| 20:39.06 | light0 | valdyn, do the hdparm things tell you anything ? |
| 20:39.08 | Vasistha | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-3-686 root=/dev/hda7 ro apm=power_off noacpi acpi=off vga=791 splash=verbose nomcs psmouse.proto=imps |
| 20:39.12 | systemerror | i have done eselct but only the smae problem |
| 20:39.12 | Vasistha | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.7 root=/dev/hda9 apm=power_off noacpi acpi=off vga=791 splash=verbose nomcs psmouse.proto=imps |
| 20:39.16 | Vasistha | kernel (hd0,8)/boot/debian-install/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk_size=12000 nomce psmouse.proto=imps vga=791 acpi=off apm=power_off noacpi |
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| 20:39.24 | Vasistha | hmmm, that was kind of a lot to paste, sorry |
| 20:39.26 | beardy | light0: Do you know if slackaware ran/runs lesstif, when you used it? |
| 20:39.36 | light0 | don't know :( |
| 20:39.42 | light0 | would I be able to use lesstif on debian :? |
| 20:39.46 | jski23 | Vasistha it is for my friend's g/f. she wants to send the laptop to her brother for email access. she gave me what she had, and i don't see the adapter. |
| 20:39.50 | beardy | s/aware/ware |
| 20:40.02 | jski23 | Vasistha: would it be doable via a dialup connection? |
| 20:40.16 | EdLin | light0: apt-getting xpdf installs the lesstif libraries |
| 20:40.17 | systemerror | i have done eselct but only the smae problem |
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| 20:40.20 | Vasistha | jski23: it ought to be, but you'll need to get that modem dongle. |
| 20:40.27 | light0 | EdLin, oh.. ok |
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| 20:40.47 | EdLin | light0: the reason is the more free license, and that historically motif wasn't available for free. |
| 20:40.52 | Vasistha | davidh: did you see those grub lines? |
| 20:41.06 | EdLin | light0: lesstif has the advantage of being smaller than openmotif too. |
| 20:41.10 | davidh | Vasistha: Yes. But seem what I had before. |
| 20:41.11 | light0 | EdLin, beardy anything else I can try then? |
| 20:41.15 | fericitu_ | i have a big problem ...somebode had instaled a stream server at mai server ...how can remove al this s**t |
| 20:41.17 | fericitu_ | ? |
| 20:41.20 | light0 | I just 'apt-get installed xpdf' |
| 20:41.32 | Vasistha | davidh: yup... that was the idea. unfortunately it doesn't seem to have worked. |
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| 20:41.33 | light0 | and all I know is that it takes absolutely ages to load each page |
| 20:41.39 | systemerror | what is my problem ? i do glxgears then xdm restart! please help me |
| 20:41.42 | davidh | Vasistha: I checked my apm deamon process, it is still running |
| 20:41.43 | EdLin | light0: evince, kpdf, kghostview, might be all worth a try |
| 20:41.46 | jski23 | Vasistha: i'll see if she has it. would i be able to create a partion on my current computer, install dsl to it and then image it to the usb drive? wouold i have h/w issues if i installed the drive back to the laptop? |
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| 20:41.54 | valdyn | light0: yea, your disk drivers are ok, so that is not the reason why xpdf is slow |
| 20:42.05 | beardy | light0: I don't know.. Try some more programs that uses lesstif, and see if they also are slow? |
| 20:42.08 | Vasistha | davidh: alright... maybe you need to set apm=off in the kernel params |
| 20:42.24 | Vasistha | davidh: I know that apm and acpi are mutually exclusive. you can either run one, or the other |
| 20:42.28 | beardy | light0: But if you want to continue reading, use another viewer, at the moment. |
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| 20:43.52 | Vasistha | jski23: I really don't know, you're venturing far into territories I have not explored, and I don't fully understand what you are saying... |
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| 20:44.17 | systemerror | xdm is restarten if i make glxgears ! whats my problem? can anyone help me |
| 20:44.24 | Vasistha | jski23: I don't think imaging an installation is the right way to go, though. |
| 20:44.41 | light0 | christ xpdf is even more slow |
| 20:44.43 | valdyn | light0: you can try 'strace xpdf blah.pdf' and look where it hangs |
| 20:44.54 | beardy | systemerror: Which version of Debian? |
| 20:44.56 | Vasistha | jski23: I have a 2.5" to 3.5" adapter so I can install a laptop drive into a desktop via the standard ide cable... |
| 20:45.05 | systemerror | sarge |
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| 20:45.16 | beardy | systemerror: graphics card? |
| 20:45.20 | systemerror | savage |
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| 20:45.31 | valdyn | systemerror: dont run glxgears |
| 20:45.54 | systemerror | why? |
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| 20:46.04 | Vasistha | jski23: lacking that, it might be more difficult to install debian onto the drive. Although it might be worth trying to install it directly onto the drive via usb... but I don't think installing it on your desktop hd and imaging it is a good solution |
| 20:46.06 | simonrvn | it's not a benchmark |
| 20:46.06 | systemerror | it still works till yesterday |
| 20:46.07 | pvd2006 | how can you use xorg isntead of xfree86 on sarge stable |
| 20:46.19 | valdyn | !xorg sarge |
| 20:46.19 | dpkg | now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 20:46.20 | Vasistha | pvd2006: backports? |
| 20:46.36 | beardy | pvd2006: Don't. But if you want to anyway, what valdyn said. |
| 20:46.46 | pvd2006 | well xfce is running really slow |
| 20:46.52 | systemerror | dri dont work anymore why? |
| 20:46.55 | pvd2006 | the window drawing is horrible |
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| 20:47.10 | Vasistha | pvd2006: what dm are you running behind it? |
| 20:47.18 | valdyn | pvd2006: you are probably using the vesa driver |
| 20:47.23 | pvd2006 | yeah I am |
| 20:47.29 | beardy | pvd2006: It's slow. |
| 20:47.30 | pvd2006 | using the vesa driver |
| 20:47.33 | pvd2006 | yeah it is! |
| 20:47.40 | valdyn | pvd2006: your card may or may not have hardware acceleration support on xfree86 or xorg, do you know? |
| 20:47.43 | interbird | systemerror: try reinstalling your display driver |
| 20:47.45 | EdLin | pvd2006: you need to run a video driver appropriate to your video card |
| 20:47.47 | systemerror | if i make glxinfo answer > wait event returned -16 if i make glxgears > xdm is restarting |
| 20:47.55 | beardy | pvd2006: Or, depends on what you are doing, but what card do you have? |
| 20:47.57 | pvd2006 | i have an nvidia mx 440 |
| 20:47.58 | systemerror | displaydriver? |
| 20:48.05 | systemerror | its in kernel |
| 20:48.08 | beardy | pvd2006: Try the nv driver. |
| 20:48.09 | pvd2006 | 128meg onboard memoryy |
| 20:48.18 | pvd2006 | beardy, it said it wasnt for stable, but is it ok to use? |
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| 20:48.25 | EdLin | !tell pvd2006 about nvidia |
| 20:48.27 | beardy | pvd2006: What said that? |
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| 20:48.39 | DaDave | hi all |
| 20:48.55 | DaDave | what would you recommend as Servlet Engine: Jetty or Tomcat? |
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| 20:49.14 | beardy | DaDave: Probably. |
| 20:49.16 | pvd2006 | beardy, lspci said that plus I know thats what im running |
| 20:49.19 | systemerror | what is my problem? |
| 20:49.23 | systemerror | if i make glxinfo answer > wait event returned -16 if i make glxgears > xdm is restarting |
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| 20:49.37 | beardy | pvd2006: lspci said what? That Xäs nv driver isn't for sarge? |
| 20:49.43 | DaDave | beardy: probably what? |
| 20:49.51 | pvd2006 | ohhh noo, sorry |
| 20:49.55 | beardy | DaDave: One of them. |
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| 20:50.00 | andreas__ | Hi! I get the error: Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting now and then, though i have a working soundcard that plays sounds in debian-kde. my friend tells me theres something wrong with alsa. What could it be? |
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| 20:50.10 | pvd2006 | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html said that, but it might be out of date |
| 20:50.14 | DaDave | beardy: shure one of them. but which is the better on production systems? |
| 20:50.15 | pvd2006 | ill go by what dpkg says |
| 20:50.23 | Rotzeklotz | i still have the same problem with my xserver, i already have the latest version from backports it lacks drivers for my i915gm but compiling my own xserver still fails |
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| 20:51.21 | beardy | DaDave: The one in stable. If both are in stable, the one you prefer. (questions asking about opinions is always going to be answered with opinions) |
| 20:51.30 | pumpkin0 | How do i tell apt something is installed that was compiled localy or installed under a wrong name ? |
| 20:51.45 | EdLin | !nickometer YOUJUBE225000 |
| 20:51.47 | dpkg | 'YOUJUBE225000' is 99.860% lame, edlin |
| 20:51.47 | lakez | where do i find out if Sarge supports SATA2 |
| 20:51.50 | pvd2006 | ah ok I can just use the nv driver |
| 20:51.56 | Vasistha | EdLin: hehe |
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| 20:52.11 | fantasma | hello |
| 20:52.18 | systemerror | can anyone help me please? |
| 20:52.19 | pvd2006 | the nv driver would just as good as the non-free driver for nvidia right? |
| 20:52.25 | interbird | lakez: Depends on your sata2 controller |
| 20:52.32 | valdyn | lakez: you dont, you find out if sarge supports your specific disk controller chip |
| 20:52.36 | lakez | interbird, nforce4 is the chipset |
| 20:52.44 | lakez | valdyn, ok |
| 20:52.46 | EdLin | pvd2006: the nv driver has no 3d acceleration but has some 2D acceleration |
| 20:52.52 | Vasistha | systemerror: have you explored alternative to glxgears? |
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| 20:53.04 | EdLin | pvd2006: at any rate it sure beats vesa |
| 20:53.11 | light0 | valdyn, how would I use strace to help me |
| 20:53.13 | valdyn | lakez: if the harddisks use sata2 or whatever is irrelevant to your debian |
| 20:53.14 | light0 | valdyn, it seems to spit our random numbers |
| 20:53.16 | Vasistha | jski23: what's goin on? any bright ideas? |
| 20:53.17 | pvd2006 | hmm, so would the non-free driver, the real one make a window manager faster than the nv one a little bit? |
| 20:53.32 | systemerror | i dont need glxgears thats no problem but till yesterday dri doesnt run anymore |
| 20:53.39 | EdLin | pvd2006: the real reason to run the propritary drivers is for games |
| 20:53.47 | pvd2006 | Edlin, yes I dont play games, hehe. |
| 20:53.47 | chealer9 | pvd2006: possibly, but it's unlikely worth it unless you want 3D acceleration. nvidia is less stable |
| 20:53.48 | beardy | pvd2006: Never mind that.. This is how it is, the nv driver is free, and works fine with nvidia cards, uptil GeForce4 (unless it's been improved, and works for that too now) but it has not 3D support. If you want 3D, you have to use the nvidia driver, which isn't free, but works fine, if you want to use it anyway. |
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| 20:53.56 | valdyn | light0: 'strace xpdf blah.pdf' <- run this, see if it really hangs at some point when its spamming your terminal with text, if that happens, paste that part of the output |
| 20:53.57 | systemerror | till yesterday glxgears still work but today its dead |
| 20:54.07 | pvd2006 | ah ok ill go with nv driver |
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| 20:54.10 | jski23 | Vasistha: thanks, you've been very helpful. i'm off to find the missing link, as it were. ;-) |
| 20:54.26 | interbird | lakez: sata_nv might work |
| 20:54.33 | beardy | pvd2006: Atleast try with that first, if you find some 3D program you want to try, try the nvidia driver. |
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| 20:54.42 | andreas__ | http://snuttisgullipluttis.googlepages.com/helpsong.wav |
| 20:54.52 | Vasistha | jski23: you're welcome, glad I could help find a step or two on the path |
| 20:54.56 | beardy | pvd2006: Things will be much faster than with vesa. |
| 20:55.03 | beardy | pvd2006: with the nv driver |
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| 20:55.41 | light0 | read(4, "\224\26\341\221\2724e\302\227]\4\26\365j\234=\366D\6d/"..., 4096) = |
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| 20:55.58 | light0 | read(4, "J\202H\221\232=}\252\342@\360\327\32\3514\t\364\10&\362"..., 4096) = |
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| 20:56.09 | light0 | yup valdyn these read(4, xxxx ) lines |
| 20:56.14 | light0 | seem to slow it down |
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| 20:57.12 | interbird | lakez: correction -- could not find nforce4 support in the source, nforce3 seems to be supported by sata_nv |
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| 20:57.56 | jski23 | Vasistha: the adapter idea sounds good - if i can't find the adapter, i might try that. |
| 20:58.20 | pvd2006 | what is a good console |
| 20:58.26 | pvd2006 | that has like copy/paste support |
| 20:58.59 | pvd2006 | all I have right now is xterm |
| 20:59.09 | beardy | pvd2006: an xterm you mean? |
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| 20:59.19 | pvd2006 | yes, that is what I meant |
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| 20:59.32 | pvd2006 | I didnt see xfce4-terminal anywhere |
| 20:59.44 | EdLin | pvd2006: you can cut and paste with xterm too |
| 21:00.01 | pvd2006 | ah you can? it doesnt seem to want to let me, I guess its a different keyboard shortcut. |
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| 21:00.16 | EdLin | pvd2006: the usual way is to mark text in one program, then go to the xterm and hit the middle button (or if simulated both left and right) |
| 21:00.24 | pvd2006 | there it goes |
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| 21:00.26 | pvd2006 | thanks:) |
| 21:00.33 | sly007 | How do I create the /dev/loop0 entry? |
| 21:00.44 | valdyn | sly007: why would you do that? |
| 21:00.46 | beardy | pvd2006: aterm, wterm, and so on, gnome-terminal, konsole (well, don't use them..) everyone has copy and paste. apt-cache search terminal |
| 21:00.56 | EdLin | pvd2006: make sure not to close the program that you are pasting from, X11 doesn't have a permenant clipboard |
| 21:00.58 | valdyn | sly007: dpkg -l udev | tail -1 |
| 21:01.14 | valdyn | sly007: and 'modprobe | grep loop' |
| 21:02.35 | jetscreamer | !seen joeyjones |
| 21:02.36 | dpkg | joeyjones <n=chatzill@S01060004e2cb7c2c.gv.shawcable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 56d 11h 37m 34s ago, saying: 'A blind man once stepped on Chuck Norris' shoe. Chuck replied, "Don't you know who I am? I'm Chuck Norris!" The mere mention of his name cured this man blindness. Sadly the first, last, and only thing this man ever saw, was a fatal roundhouse delivered by'. |
| 21:02.49 | light0 | valdyn, any ideas about the read(4, stuff) ? |
| 21:03.05 | valdyn | light0: no sorry, i cant decode it |
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| 21:03.18 | simonrvn | i doubt he'd roundhouse kick someone stepping on his shoe ... |
| 21:03.40 | Vasistha | simonrvn: he would have to step away first |
| 21:04.08 | Vasistha | simonrvn: ...and get his shoe dislodged from beneath the other's foot |
| 21:04.34 | simonrvn | that's not it though. i don't read him as the type of person to react that way |
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| 21:05.35 | fericitu_ | how can see all the packages that i have instaled at my server ? |
| 21:05.42 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 21:05.42 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'" |
| 21:06.22 | interbird | fericitu_: dpkg --list |
| 21:06.33 | fericitu_ | ok thanks |
| 21:07.03 | fericitu_ | :)) |
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| 21:07.08 | fericitu_ | and page by page |
| 21:07.09 | fericitu_ | ?? |
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| 21:07.20 | beardy | fericitu_: | less |
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| 21:08.46 | beardy | fericitu_: That is; dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}' | less |
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| 21:09.03 | RetroJ | I want to install libmotif-dev, and I get this message: "x11-common: Conflicts: libmotif-dev (<= 2.2.3-1.3) but 2.2.3-1.3 is to be installed" I'm running unstable so maybe I should expect this kind of thing, but is there anything I can do to resolve it? |
| 21:09.14 | fericitu_ | and if i want to remove apache for exemple ??? |
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| 21:09.22 | aod | awesome, xfce is running a lot faster not that I chose the nv driver |
| 21:09.23 | beardy | ... |
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| 21:09.27 | fericitu_ | how can do that |
| 21:09.30 | fericitu_ | ? |
| 21:09.34 | beardy | !tell fericitu_ -about reference |
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| 21:09.48 | pzgz | fericitu_: apt-get remove apache |
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| 21:10.45 | beardy | fericitu_: You use aptitude or apt-get to install and remove packages. Both the programs have documentation. 'man aptitude' shows you the manualpage for aptitude. 'info aptitude' shows you the info documentation. |
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| 21:10.49 | beardy | !docs |
| 21:10.49 | dpkg | well, docs is before asking in here, *please* read the available documentation in /usr/share/doc/packagename, man packagename, and http://linuxdoc.org/, or some packages have separat doc packages (e.g. bash-doc), or try the 'info' system |
| 21:10.52 | beardy | fericitu_: ^^^ |
| 21:11.07 | Timtow | can anyone assist me with an apache permissions thingy |
| 21:11.17 | Timtow | the apache channel is helpless |
| 21:11.25 | beardy | !ask |
| 21:11.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:11.52 | interbird | fericitu_: If you run graphical you might want to try the Synaptic package manager -- apt-get install synaptic |
| 21:12.08 | Timtow | well, it's more of an apache question, was just wondering: how can I make it so that a user can use samba to upload into the docroot, but still executable by apache and php? |
| 21:12.12 | beardy | fericitu_: The Debian Reference is a good read if you want to learn how to do things in your Debian system, please start reading it. |
| 21:12.17 | Timtow | right now it's owned by user:user |
| 21:12.26 | fericitu_ | no ...i nont work with graphical interface |
| 21:12.38 | beardy | interbird: Let him discover that by himself. |
| 21:13.01 | beardy | Timtow: Why have you fiddled with it? |
| 21:13.10 | Timtow | no, I created it |
| 21:13.21 | Timtow | virtualhost on a directory in the users home |
| 21:13.30 | beardy | Timtow: man chmod |
| 21:13.44 | Timtow | I don't want to open it up to 777, it's already 770 |
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| 21:13.55 | beardy | Timtow: man chown |
| 21:14.01 | Timtow | should I chown it to user:www-data? which is the group apache runs in? |
| 21:14.09 | Timtow | or www-data:user? |
| 21:14.27 | beardy | Timtow: If this is for a user, in his homedirectory, it should be owned by that user. |
| 21:14.44 | Timtow | right, but php doesn't have permission to execute, unless it's owned somehow by apache |
| 21:14.48 | BarryAllen | egrep ^User /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 21:15.00 | BarryAllen | egrep ^Group /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 21:15.12 | Timtow | apache is running as www-data:www-data |
| 21:15.16 | bnovc | what FTP client do you guys use? |
| 21:15.24 | Timtow | proftpd here |
| 21:15.24 | streuner | none |
| 21:15.29 | beardy | bnovc: apt-cache search ftp |
| 21:15.30 | streuner | ftp is evil |
| 21:15.33 | abrotman | proftpd is not a client |
| 21:15.37 | Timtow | oh, yeah |
| 21:15.39 | bnovc | beardy, i know how to get the list, just wondering preferences |
| 21:15.39 | Timtow | lol |
| 21:15.39 | Maulkin | lftp |
| 21:15.41 | beardy | abrotman: ! |
| 21:15.42 | RetroJ | lftp |
| 21:15.46 | Timtow | I use filezilla on my win box |
| 21:15.47 | abrotman | beardy: !!? |
| 21:16.08 | bnovc | i used to like ncftp a lot but somehow it became terrible when i installed it in debian |
| 21:16.14 | bnovc | i was going to give lftp a try probably |
| 21:16.21 | bnovc | it didnt appear to support bookmarking though |
| 21:17.04 | simonrvn | lftp r0x |
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| 21:17.17 | beardy | !start an ftpclient war |
| 21:17.28 | beardy | !start a ftpclient war |
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| 21:19.49 | bucky | Timtow: do you want like a /home/*/public_html ? |
| 21:19.58 | Timtow | no bucky |
| 21:20.01 | RetroJ | Is there anything I can to to bypass a seemingly incorrect conflict report from apt-get? "x11-common: Conflicts: libmotif-dev (<= 2.2.3-1.3) but 2.2.3-1.3 is to be installed" |
| 21:20.22 | Timtow | I got it...had to chown www-data:user then chmod the dir to 775 |
| 21:20.34 | chealer9 | RetroJ: ...it seems correct to me |
| 21:20.47 | stoned | i use vsftpd |
| 21:21.08 | RetroJ | chealer9: but the version to be installed is <= the version required. |
| 21:21.44 | chealer9 | RetroJ: it's not a required version, it's a conflicting version |
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| 21:22.37 | pvd2006 | where would I place a shell script to mount my other partitions at |
| 21:22.42 | pvd2006 | to load on bootup |
| 21:22.51 | beardy | !fstab |
| 21:22.51 | dpkg | [fstab] a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 21:22.55 | nceterval | I must always run "xauth merge /home/user/.Xauthority" to enable GUI apps from root console, how can I enable them permanently? |
| 21:22.55 | RetroJ | chealer9: oh ok.. so I have to wait for a new version in the repository, right? |
| 21:23.04 | blondie | f-STAB |
| 21:24.44 | emergo | how can I tell if the sound device /dev/dsp is what Im using and not /dev/alsa.. |
| 21:24.56 | tictac_ | emergo, lsof /dev/dsp |
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| 21:25.43 | emergo | tictac: ok, but this works only when sound is playing ? |
| 21:25.58 | RetroJ | chealer9: thank you! |
| 21:26.20 | beardy | pvd2006: 'man 5 fstab' Entries _without_ the option "noauto" _will_ be mounted at boot. No scripts necessary. |
| 21:26.27 | chealer9 | RetroJ: I'm not sure...which release do you use? |
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| 21:26.57 | aXp | hi all! |
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| 21:27.25 | RetroJ | chealer9: unstable, atm, due to a dependency problem I caused while apt-pinning with stable |
| 21:27.30 | aXp | how to write one large file to a dvd? if it try to make an iso of it (mkisofs) it tells me: file too large |
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| 21:27.59 | interbird | aXp: Files cannot be bigger that 2G |
| 21:28.03 | chealer9 | RetroJ: hum, I see. yeah, it seems to be only a problem in unstable |
| 21:28.15 | beardy | dpkg: mount at boot is <reply> Read 'man 5 fstab', look at and edit /etc/fstab. Entries _without_ the option "noauto" _will_ be mounted at boot. No scripts necessary. |
| 21:28.15 | dpkg | okay, beardy |
| 21:28.16 | aXp | interbird, on an iso? |
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| 21:28.43 | beardy | !away |
| 21:28.43 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 21:28.47 | abrotman | !tell zzer about away |
| 21:28.52 | interbird | aXp: Yes, the ISO-fs does not allow for a single file to be bigger than 2G |
| 21:28.52 | beardy | !tell zzer -about away |
| 21:29.05 | beardy | zzer: Don't use your away script here, please. |
| 21:29.17 | RetroJ | chealer9: ok, I'll wait for a new version of the package. thanks! |
| 21:29.19 | eddiecheng | i am trying trying to install debian from a suse system,but i dont understand how to use Initialize and activate swap (substitute the partition number for your intended Debian swap partition): |
| 21:29.19 | eddiecheng | # mkswap /dev/hda5 |
| 21:29.19 | eddiecheng | # sync; sync; sync |
| 21:29.19 | eddiecheng | # swapon /dev/hda5 |
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| 21:29.23 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 21:29.34 | beardy | !tell eddiecheng -about flood |
| 21:29.38 | beardy | !tell eddiecheng -about pastebin |
| 21:29.42 | eddiecheng | oh sorry |
| 21:29.46 | eddiecheng | i use pastebin |
| 21:29.47 | ultraviolet16 | hello everyone, i have a network connected through a wired router and a wireless router as a client on that router. I want to network everyone for file sharing including two laptops that are clients on the wireless router |
| 21:30.15 | smacnay | hi, I am replacing a motherboard, cpu, ram, and psu. The new stuff will be slightly newer than the 3 year-old hardware. CPU change from and Athlon 2600+ -> Athlon64 2600+. Would a k7 .deb kernel boot on the newer processor? |
| 21:30.22 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: your router runs debian ? |
| 21:30.35 | abrotman | smacnay: it should |
| 21:30.41 | ic3man05 | smacnay: amd64 is backwords compatible with x86 |
| 21:30.51 | ic3man05 | k7 should also work not sure on that though |
| 21:30.57 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: no, three of 6 computers run debian |
| 21:31.01 | beardy | smacnay: But it will run in 32-bit. |
| 21:31.03 | ultraviolet16 | the wired router is a linksys |
| 21:31.04 | pvd2006 | weird, when I goto scroll down in the manpages with the arrow buttons or the page down button it keeps beeping and not moving |
| 21:31.10 | ultraviolet16 | and the wireless is a dlink |
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| 21:31.15 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: so it's not a Debian problem ? |
| 21:31.18 | ic3man05 | smacnay: look and see if amd64 supports the k7 extensions |
| 21:31.19 | pvd2006 | nevermind, enter is the key... |
| 21:31.19 | smacnay | abrotman: I see there are no k8 .deb kernels and assume that the k7 will just be the 32 bit. |
| 21:31.32 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: no, but i usually get help around here.. |
| 21:31.41 | beardy | !amd64 |
| 21:31.42 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 21:31.48 | abrotman | smacnay: which veresion of debian ? |
| 21:31.54 | smacnay | beardy: I don't mind running at 32 bit. I have heard that many people have troubles running 64 bit linux. |
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| 21:31.59 | smacnay | abrotman: testing |
| 21:32.14 | abrotman | smacnay: yeah .. k7 it is |
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| 21:32.33 | ic3man05 | smacnay: if k7 doesn't work i386 should work fine |
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| 21:33.16 | beardy | ic3man05: You're one year out of date, if that is what's that is for. ;) |
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| 21:33.25 | ultraviolet16 | smacnay: i run 32 bit, works fine |
| 21:33.29 | ultraviolet16 | with an amd64 |
| 21:33.32 | smacnay | abrotman: the motherboard I am looking at is a ASROCK K8VM890 with two via chipsets. I can't find any reference to these particular chipsets in the linux kernel. |
| 21:33.38 | ultraviolet16 | i'm waiting till there's more following |
| 21:33.44 | ic3man05 | beardy: what do you mean? |
| 21:33.47 | smacnay | ultraviolet16: thanks for letting me know. You are happy with it? |
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| 21:33.56 | ultraviolet16 | yes, it runs fast and well |
| 21:33.59 | abrotman | smacnay: well .. you could try |
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| 21:34.01 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 21:34.01 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 21:34.03 | ultraviolet16 | 1.8 |
| 21:34.11 | beardy | ic3man05: 05 |
| 21:34.33 | ic3man05 | beardy: haha yea it was my grad year, I've been using it for a long time |
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| 21:34.45 | smacnay | abrotman: I don't have the mobo yet. |
| 21:35.12 | abrotman | smacnay: oh .. that's no good :) |
| 21:35.13 | aXp | interbird, what can be done against it? |
| 21:35.24 | smacnay | abrotman: neat page though |
| 21:35.38 | mirfpc | I'm looking for some help with jack |
| 21:35.54 | beardy | mirfpc: Ask your question, nad perhaps someone will answer. |
| 21:36.07 | mirfpc | I was about to :P |
| 21:36.09 | abrotman | mirfpc: just ask |
| 21:36.11 | abrotman | doh |
| 21:36.15 | abrotman | smacnay: it is :) |
| 21:36.18 | aXp | i just want to put this file on an dvd! could not bee too hard |
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| 21:36.53 | smacnay | abrotman: there is also some onboard realtek stuff (audio and lan) that I can find no reference for. I might just try it and risk the restocking fee if it is not well supported. |
| 21:37.06 | fericitu_ | where i can find mysql database created with phpmyadim ...becaus i vant to make a backup |
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| 21:37.20 | mirfpc | how can I make jack start with alsa |
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| 21:37.28 | interbird | aXp: You could split-up the file is parts |
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| 21:37.42 | interbird | (in parts) |
| 21:37.49 | kimo | Hey guys, anyone here edits PDFs with vim ? |
| 21:37.50 | abrotman | mirfpc: do you mean jack or jackd ? |
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| 21:37.51 | beardy | man split ; man cat |
| 21:37.53 | mirfpc | jackd |
| 21:37.57 | fericitu_ | where i can find mysql database created with phpmyadim ...becaus i vant to make a backup |
| 21:38.01 | abrotman | kimo: it's a binary file |
| 21:38.02 | smacnay | abrotman: Could I run the Debian installer cd (network install) and overwrite all but my /home dir (on its own partition)? As an option to sort of "refresh" the machine? |
| 21:38.03 | aXp | interbird, i know but this is not what i want to do! |
| 21:38.09 | Xoritor | is there a chan for debian-installer? |
| 21:38.16 | abrotman | smacnay: you should be able to |
| 21:38.19 | abrotman | Xoritor: #debian-boot |
| 21:38.24 | Xoritor | aah |
| 21:38.25 | Xoritor | thx |
| 21:38.26 | abrotman | Xoritor: or do you mean for help with it ? |
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| 21:38.43 | smacnay | abrotman: I might... rid myself of all those old libs and switch to ext3 filesystem. |
| 21:38.44 | beardy | smacnay: You don't need to ever "refresh" the machine, unless something is wrong, is it? |
| 21:38.49 | kimo | abrotman: umm ... I just used pdftk to uncompress it and used vim to fill in 6 lines of text :) Problem is that I want to insert a graphic ... |
| 21:38.49 | interbird | aXp: IFAIK there's no way to put a file > 2G on an ISO filesystem |
| 21:38.53 | Xoritor | abrotman, help/issues |
| 21:39.05 | mirfpc | in fact how can I get jackd to start as non-root user? |
| 21:39.05 | abrotman | Xoritor: try here first |
| 21:39.08 | aXp | interbird, it need not to be an ISO |
| 21:39.14 | abrotman | kimo: well .. guess you need a PS reference |
| 21:39.16 | Xoritor | abrotman, i am having issues with my sata dvd to install |
| 21:39.17 | beardy | !ext2->ext3 |
| 21:39.18 | mirfpc | something to do with realtime-lsm..? |
| 21:39.24 | smacnay | beardy: I know... but it might be quicker than hunting down all those unused files and apps. |
| 21:39.25 | Xoritor | tried this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto |
| 21:39.31 | Xoritor | no love |
| 21:39.31 | smacnay | beardy: I probably won't. |
| 21:39.32 | Xoritor | :-( |
| 21:39.39 | smacnay | thanks for the help everyone. |
| 21:39.45 | Xoritor | using debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:39.51 | kimo | abrotman: u know if PS commands are mostly compatible with PDF commands ? |
| 21:40.02 | Xoritor | so i should just need to pass install libata.atapi_enabled=1 right? |
| 21:40.05 | bucky | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 21:40.06 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.15 is probably http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 21:40.17 | beardy | smacnay: Have a look at deborphan, or what the name is, it hunts doen libs and things not depended on by anything. |
| 21:40.18 | Xoritor | on i386 hardware just fyi |
| 21:40.28 | beardy | !+ext2->ext3 |
| 21:40.28 | dpkg | To upgrade an ext2 partition to ext3 simply involves adding a journal. 'tune2fs -j /dev/hda1' (where hda1 is the partition you want to change to ext3). Don't forget to change /etc/fstab to specify ext3 for the partition. Be sure to verify that your kernel has ext3 support (cat /proc/filesystems) |
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| 21:40.56 | interbird | aXp: Then you'll have to patch your kernel to be able to format a DVD+RW with ext2 but this method is unstable and also the DVD cannot be read on systems that do not support ext2 |
| 21:41.11 | eddiecheng | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 21:41.12 | aXp | interbird, k thx |
| 21:41.20 | eddiecheng | i have problems following the partitions |
| 21:41.20 | Xoritor | i get to the Freeing unused kernel memory... and it hangs |
| 21:41.21 | Xoritor | oh |
| 21:41.23 | Xoritor | wait |
| 21:41.26 | Xoritor | it went pased |
| 21:41.33 | beardy | Xoritor: Patience. |
| 21:41.33 | Xoritor | wow! |
| 21:41.37 | ic3man05 | smacnay: I might have missed something but ldd does a good job with library requirements |
| 21:41.39 | interbird | aXp: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
| 21:41.39 | Xoritor | it just takes forever |
| 21:41.46 | beardy | Xoritor: Patience. |
| 21:41.49 | Xoritor | i mean like 30 min |
| 21:41.56 | Xoritor | thats not right |
| 21:41.58 | beardy | Xoritor: Where does it stop? |
| 21:42.06 | Xoritor | freeing kernel memory |
| 21:42.08 | Xoritor | err |
| 21:42.10 | Xoritor | unused |
| 21:42.20 | beardy | Xoritor: For 30 minutes? |
| 21:42.25 | Xoritor | and now its REALLY slow going on |
| 21:42.35 | Xoritor | i dont know the exact amount of time |
| 21:42.36 | beardy | Xoritor: Compiled it yourself? |
| 21:42.39 | Xoritor | no |
| 21:42.42 | Xoritor | install cd |
| 21:42.46 | Xoritor | trying to install |
| 21:43.02 | beardy | Xoritor: What speed did you burn it at? |
| 21:43.18 | Xoritor | i didnt set a speed |
| 21:43.20 | beardy | Xoritor: Burn it slow. 4x max. |
| 21:43.25 | Xoritor | Track 01: 122 of 122 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 99%] 28.5x. |
| 21:43.34 | beardy | Xoritor: It's possible it became corrupt. |
| 21:43.48 | Xoritor | uh? |
| 21:43.51 | ic3man05 | I use k3b and do an md5 check sum on it always afterwords |
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| 21:44.06 | eddiecheng | could someone do me a favour to ssh to my server to help me take a look at my partitions ? |
| 21:44.06 | Xoritor | cdrecord -v -eject dev=/dev/hda -sao debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 21:44.18 | abrotman | eddiecheng: you shouldn't even offer that |
| 21:44.35 | eddiecheng | hmm |
| 21:44.36 | Xoritor | now that should not have any issues... anywhere really |
| 21:44.42 | beardy | Xoritor: Or run memtest86 for a while to be sure aswell, other than that, I, and I doubt anyone else either, has any idea what causes that. |
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| 21:44.47 | Xoritor | its worked thousands of times |
| 21:44.54 | cored | hi all |
| 21:44.59 | beardy | Xoritor: With that disc? |
| 21:44.59 | cored | i just installed mlayer |
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| 21:45.06 | marzec | greetings |
| 21:45.07 | cored | and im getting an error concerning the sound card |
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| 21:45.12 | cored | but i have my modules loaded |
| 21:45.12 | beardy | Xaqueth: Thousands? :) |
| 21:45.17 | cored | don't know why im getting that error |
| 21:45.20 | cored | alsa-lib: pcm.c:2146:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default |
| 21:45.26 | cored | Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. |
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| 21:45.31 | cored | and my username is part of the audio group |
| 21:45.35 | beardy | Xoritor: Thousands? :) |
| 21:45.45 | cored | can somebody give me a hint please ? |
| 21:45.46 | ic3man05 | cored: sounds like mplayer doesn't know where to find your sound device |
| 21:45.47 | Xoritor | yea i have burned thousands of cds |
| 21:45.49 | Xoritor | isos |
| 21:45.56 | Xoritor | from that command almost exact |
| 21:45.57 | cored | ic3man05: i see |
| 21:45.59 | Xoritor | over the years |
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| 21:46.01 | ic3man05 | cored: /dev/dsp /dev/snd |
| 21:46.04 | ic3man05 | something like that |
| 21:46.08 | beardy | Xoritor: Eh, yeah, but have you installed thousands of times using that cd you are installing from now? |
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| 21:46.29 | Xoritor | no |
| 21:46.30 | cored | ic3man05: i have it both |
| 21:46.31 | marzec | i was already asking this in the #kubuntu and #ubuntu channel but nobody could help. i'm trying to update my kernel ( which is a lousy 386 compiled one atm ) to amd64 and i would need two packages for that namely linux-amd64-k8 and linux-restricted-modules-amd64-k8. here's the update log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14804 and here's the sources.list file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14805. for some reason those packages are not availabl |
| 21:46.31 | marzec | e. any help appreciated |
| 21:46.32 | Xoritor | point maid |
| 21:46.34 | Xoritor | err |
| 21:46.35 | Xoritor | made |
| 21:46.37 | cored | ic3man05: snd and dsp |
| 21:46.37 | beardy | Xoritor: If you have another disc, do as I say, burn it slow. |
| 21:46.51 | ic3man05 | cored: yes but is mplayer pointing to either of those |
| 21:46.56 | cored | ic3man05: i see |
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| 21:47.07 | cored | ic3man05: let me try to change the config file |
| 21:47.20 | beardy | Xoritor: But it is strange, I agree with that. |
| 21:48.22 | beardy | marzec: Use whatever ubuntu calls their stock kernel, and ask #ubuntu. |
| 21:48.33 | bono | OT - i dl'ed a dvd torrent. I have a pile of VOB's, IFO's, etc. Idlike to burn them with nero. Anyone has a guide that would illustrate how to do that? |
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| 21:49.06 | bono | (...or a link to one) |
| 21:49.09 | beardy | bono: Nero is win32, and if it's the linux version, it's not in Debian, and proprietary, read the docs. |
| 21:49.11 | stoned | waaaannnn, my sound wont' work |
| 21:49.17 | stoned | friggin thing |
| 21:49.20 | stoned | !dmix |
| 21:49.20 | dpkg | methinks dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 21:49.26 | mirf_ | stoned, howso? |
| 21:49.34 | stoned | meh, i'll fix it |
| 21:49.43 | mirf_ | do you use jackd at all? |
| 21:49.46 | cored | ic3man05: i think is a problem with alsa or something like that |
| 21:49.47 | stoned | no |
| 21:49.50 | mirf_ | k |
| 21:49.53 | stoned | I use alsa+dmix |
| 21:49.54 | marzec | beardy, i already asked in ubuntu and kubuntu, none could help me there either, but thanks anyways |
| 21:50.09 | ic3man05 | cored: do other programs work fine with sound? |
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| 21:50.14 | beardy | marzec: Are you trying to comp8ile a kernel, or what? |
| 21:50.19 | cored | ic3man05: i haven't test yet |
| 21:50.27 | cored | ic3man05: i don't think so |
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| 21:50.31 | cored | ic3man05: im getting a very weird sound |
| 21:50.52 | beardy | marzec: /msg dpkg kp but I don't guarantee anything, since this is #debian, and you're running ubuntu, things may differ |
| 21:50.56 | ic3man05 | try doing alsaconf and alsamixer |
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| 21:51.58 | ic3man05 | cored: #mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0.3 |
| 21:52.04 | cored | ic3man05: ok |
| 21:52.07 | ic3man05 | try something similar to that if it is mplayer |
| 21:52.23 | b_jonas | this may eb a stupid question, but can anyone tell me how I configure lpd to know what printers I have? |
| 21:52.42 | beardy | b_jonas: It's not a stupid question. |
| 21:52.48 | cored | ic3man05: |
| 21:52.49 | cored | alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1355:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card |
| 21:52.50 | cored | alsa-init: playback open error: No such device |
| 21:52.50 | cored | Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. |
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| 21:53.02 | beardy | b_jonas: 'man lpd.conf' perhaps? |
| 21:53.02 | cored | sorry |
| 21:53.08 | cored | ic3man05: did you saw the error ? |
| 21:53.17 | ic3man05 | cored: hw=0.3 isn't your sound device then |
| 21:53.20 | cored | ic3man05: s/saw/see |
| 21:53.24 | cored | ic3man05: ok |
| 21:53.42 | b_jonas | beardy: "No manual entry for lpd.conf". there's one for lpd and for printcap but I don't understand much of them |
| 21:53.43 | ic3man05 | cored: I would try alsaconf first |
| 21:53.47 | beardy | b_jonas: Are you sure it's lpd you want to use though? |
| 21:53.52 | b_jonas | dunno |
| 21:54.00 | b_jonas | I could use cups |
| 21:54.02 | beardy | b_jonas: What are you going to print? |
| 21:54.14 | beardy | b_jonas: Yeah, that's my thought. |
| 21:54.47 | b_jonas | but cups didn't seem to have an rcfile in /etc/init.d so I though it wasn't supported much by debian or something |
| 21:54.52 | b_jonas | or I installed cups wrong |
| 21:55.01 | cored | ic3man05: which package use alsa |
| 21:55.07 | cored | ic3man05: i mean have alsaconf ? |
| 21:55.08 | marzec | beardy, all i want is to upgrade from a 386 kernel to an amd64 kernel this should be possible via apt but i can't get to the deb packages |
| 21:55.17 | cored | ic3man05: alsa-utils ? |
| 21:55.20 | ic3man05 | cored: apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 21:55.24 | beardy | b_jonas: Of course it is. |
| 21:55.28 | beardy | !cups |
| 21:55.28 | dpkg | cups is, like, a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 21:55.42 | beardy | cups-setup |
| 21:55.47 | cored | ic3man05: ok |
| 21:55.47 | ic3man05 | cored: I must go now, so good luck. Sorry I can't help more |
| 21:55.48 | beardy | !cups-setup |
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| 21:55.55 | cored | ic3man05: downloading |
| 21:56.04 | b_jonas | I have configured cups once on my previous system |
| 21:56.07 | cored | ic3man05: don't worry, and thanks |
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| 21:56.13 | beardy | b_jonas: /msg dpkg cups-setup |
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| 21:56.23 | b_jonas | though it was difficult and I don't really remember what I had to do |
| 21:56.29 | b_jonas | it was through the web interface |
| 21:56.57 | beardy | b_jonas: what I said above, do it |
| 21:56.59 | b_jonas | but what do I have to do so that cups would start at startup? |
| 21:57.07 | beardy | b_jonas: It will. |
| 21:57.48 | beardy | b_jonas: No need to do anything special, just install and configure. |
| 21:57.50 | b_jonas | ok, I'll try to reinstall cups |
| 21:58.07 | beardy | b_jonas: Have you read what dpkg said about cups-setup? |
| 21:58.16 | b_jonas | no |
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| 21:58.23 | beardy | b_jonas: Why? |
| 21:58.25 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 21:58.35 | acronos | I want to look at the rules for default firewall which I think is ipchains. When I try to list the rules using --list I get the message "incompatable with this kernal". How would I go about doing this? |
| 21:58.56 | oiahsdf | how do i build a specific debian package of the ones that a particular source tree produces? |
| 21:58.57 | beardy | b_jonas: /msg dpkg cups-setup means, type that in your irc-client to ask the bot, dpkg, about the factoid |
| 21:59.06 | interbird | aXp: Maybe UDF is a possibility -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format |
| 21:59.17 | interbird | aXp: Debian has udftools |
| 21:59.21 | dhuv | I was having a problem with xorg on testing, it seems that testing has xorg 6.8 and the ivtv xdriver does not work with 6.9, it works with 6.8 though |
| 21:59.36 | dhuv | does anybody know how I can downgrade my xserver to 6.8 instead? |
| 21:59.37 | no0ke | !nice |
| 21:59.37 | dpkg | i guess nice is prime example of SuperJuan, or a good term for GNOME a derogatory term meaning bland, boring, feeble, or just crap. Example: That's a nice haircut. a city in france, or a program that will run a program with a modified scheduling priority (from -20 to 19, where 19 is the lowest). |
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| 22:00.13 | beardy | !tell b_jonas -about cups-setup |
| 22:00.24 | beardy | damn.. |
| 22:00.30 | b_jonas | it doesn't tell anything. you've even typed "!cups-setup" here above, but dpkg didn't seem to answer |
| 22:00.30 | beardy | !tell b_jonas -about cups setup |
| 22:00.48 | beardy | b_jonas: I'm sorry, my mistake. |
| 22:00.50 | b_jonas | ah, with space, not hyphen |
| 22:00.51 | acronos | Can anyone point me to a security tutorial related to the sarge version of debian? |
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| 22:01.42 | abrotman | !securing debian |
| 22:01.42 | dpkg | securing debian is, like, at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 22:01.52 | acronos | Thanks dpkg |
| 22:01.53 | dpkg | no problem, acronos |
| 22:01.59 | MatBoy | Can anyone tell me where I can download a full version of the latest stable Kernel ? I can only find the patch of 2.6.16-1 |
| 22:02.05 | b_jonas | thanks, I'll try what that advice says |
| 22:02.20 | beardy | b_jonas: Good luck, ask again if you get into trouble. |
| 22:02.32 | chealer | MatBoy: the latest upstream Linux version? |
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| 22:03.05 | MatBoy | chealer, What do you mean ? I rund Etch @ the moment |
| 22:03.11 | MatBoy | -d |
| 22:03.24 | beardy | MatBoy: What do _you_ mean? |
| 22:03.34 | chealer | MatBoy: what do you mean exactly by "stable"? |
| 22:05.25 | nima | how can i get information about a certificate? i just need commonname |
| 22:05.47 | MatBoy | chealer, On the kernel.org website you see at the first page that there are "stable" kernels, so not BETA's |
| 22:05.56 | chealer | MatBoy: ask #kernel |
| 22:06.32 | beardy | or ##linux, perhaps |
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| 22:07.09 | MatBoy | chealer, noone is respondign there for half a day :( But what would you advise for Etch ? There is not APT-GET version available tehre as it was in Sarge |
| 22:07.12 | oiahsdf | is there a way i can build libc6-686 instead of building ALL packages the glibc source tree includes? |
| 22:07.13 | lakez | can you safely downgrade from testing/unstable to sarge ? |
| 22:07.40 | chealer | MatBoy: oh, you're the one that couldn't find stock kernels in Etch? |
| 22:07.44 | chealer | !tell MatBoy about 2.6.12 |
| 22:07.45 | dhuv | does anybody know how I can force and installation of x.org 6.8 on a testing system? |
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| 22:07.51 | abrotman | lakez: no |
| 22:08.00 | abrotman | dhuv: etch has 6.9 |
| 22:08.14 | dhuv | abrotman: I know, can I force it at all? |
| 22:08.26 | acronos | My debian version is 3.1. How do I determine the version of the kernel? |
| 22:08.38 | damog | acronos: uname -r |
| 22:08.39 | chealer | MatBoy: apt-get is lowercase. and packages don't have an apt-get version, they have a version for a specific Debian release |
| 22:08.44 | oiahsdf | btw upgrading from the last debian installation released on floppies is completely broken :) |
| 22:08.54 | datrus | hello. Can anyone please tell me how to change the MAIL environment variable properly. When I modify /etc/login.defs it doesnt work. |
| 22:09.44 | MatBoy | chealer, OK, thanks ! |
| 22:09.59 | abrotman | dhuv: sure |
| 22:10.06 | acronos | thanks damog |
| 22:10.09 | lakez | k |
| 22:10.12 | oiahsdf | the biggest problem is that libc6 upgrades to a version that hates 2.0.x kernels before the kernel is upgraded.. |
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| 22:10.38 | lakez | i'm trying to see what is installed in base for ftpd's... any suggestions? I'm poking around apt-* and i think i'm on the right track |
| 22:11.10 | oiahsdf | then there are various problems with dpkg not understanding old md5 output and surprise package conflicts |
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| 22:11.40 | abrotman | lakez: no ftpd is installed by default |
| 22:12.26 | lakez | but how do you probe ... with freebsd it's like pkg_info -a |
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| 22:12.50 | b_jonas | ok, cups has started now |
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| 22:13.00 | abrotman | lakez: what do you want to know ? |
| 22:13.15 | lakez | all packages currently installed |
| 22:13.18 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 22:13.25 | abrotman | !tell lakez about refcard |
| 22:13.27 | lakez | ah that's why i couldn't find it |
| 22:13.29 | lakez | sweet, thx |
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| 22:13.57 | dhuv | abrotman: how? are there any debian packages which will work or I have to download and install on my own |
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| 22:14.06 | lakez | pure-ftpd the most common install now ? |
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| 22:15.04 | abrotman | lakez: vsftpd or proftpd or pureftpd |
| 22:15.14 | abrotman | dhuv: probably download them all |
| 22:15.19 | abrotman | !tell dhuv about sdn |
| 22:15.43 | lakez | abrotman, one thing i don't get about apt-get... |
| 22:15.56 | abrotman | why doesn't it give money? |
| 22:16.00 | lakez | apt-cache search ftpd | grep ftpd .. i see pure-ftpd there... apt-get install pure-ftpd ... it says it can't find it |
| 22:16.09 | lakez | ya that too lol |
| 22:16.18 | abrotman | lakez: apt-cache search pure-ftpd |
| 22:16.39 | abrotman | lakez: also .. apt-cache --names-only search ftpd |
| 22:16.46 | lakez | I see it there |
| 22:16.48 | lakez | pure-ftpd - Pure-FTPd FTP server |
| 22:16.54 | abrotman | lakez: are you running sarge? |
| 22:17.01 | lakez | testing/untested |
| 22:17.09 | abrotman | lakez: it's possible it's not available right now |
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| 22:17.24 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=pure-ftpd |
| 22:17.32 | abrotman | lakez: what's the error you get? |
| 22:17.35 | lakez | could it have to do with the apt-get mainsomething ? |
| 22:17.51 | leaveone_ | is anybody in here having trouble running wine 0.9.14 on sarge? |
| 22:17.52 | abrotman | what command are you using .. and what's the errror? |
| 22:17.55 | lakez | Failed to fetch http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian/pool/main/p/pure-ftpd/pure-ftpd-common_1.0.19-8_all.deb 404 Not Found |
| 22:17.59 | lakez | apt-get install pure-ftpd |
| 22:18.13 | abrotman | might be a bad sync .. you can use more than one mirror |
| 22:18.19 | abrotman | lakez: oh .. i see |
| 22:18.26 | abrotman | lakez: apt-get update && apt-get install pure-ftpd |
| 22:18.28 | lakez | !tell lakez mirrors |
| 22:18.49 | lakez | still 404 ... i gotta figure out how to change mirrors |
| 22:18.57 | abrotman | lakez: what's the error now ? |
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| 22:19.05 | elm80 | lakez, sources.list |
| 22:19.17 | hjubal | bye |
| 22:19.19 | abrotman | !tell lakez about mirrors |
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| 22:19.35 | leaveone_ | is anybody in here having trouble running wine 0.9.14 on sarge? im trying to decide if its worth it to upgrade.. |
| 22:20.58 | abrotman | lakez: it should be trying to get 1.0.21 or something like that |
| 22:21.01 | abrotman | !info pure-ftpd etch |
| 22:21.11 | dpkg | pure-ftpd: (Pure-FTPd FTP server), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0.21-3 (etch), Packaged size: 144 kB, Installed size: 400 kB |
| 22:21.13 | abrotman | lakez: paste your sources soemwhere |
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| 22:22.29 | S4NE | Hello u guys |
| 22:23.09 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:23.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:23.09 | S4NE | i´ve a question i want to remove proftpd of my system but doesn´t worl with apt-get |
| 22:23.20 | beardy | S4NE: How did you do when you tried? |
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| 22:23.46 | S4NE | apt-get remove proftpd and than it said the are 2 Packets to remove |
| 22:23.54 | S4NE | proftpd and proftpd-common |
| 22:24.12 | iostream | Hi... How does suspending the "nohup"-process/program affect processes launched by nohup? |
| 22:24.32 | beardy | S4NE: And then it asked if you wanted to continue? And you answered? And then what happened? |
| 22:24.33 | S4NE | i said "j" and than i get an error of proftpd |
| 22:24.36 | S4NE | «ChanServ» Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 22:24.40 | oiahsdf | if you hup nohup, nothing happens to them |
| 22:24.49 | K|NgGh0sT | any reason why my sound would be giving me massive distortion? |
| 22:24.56 | S4NE | .E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 22:25.06 | beardy | S4NE: y, for yes, is what you should respond if you want to continue |
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| 22:25.26 | S4NE | yeah i´m sorry but it is j for ja in german ;) |
| 22:25.37 | S4NE | i typed the right letter^^ |
| 22:25.48 | beardy | S4NE: Yeah, but I'm not sure input can be localized? |
| 22:25.53 | beardy | S4NE: Ok. |
| 22:25.53 | oiahsdf | K|NgGh0sT: change in the Earth's rotation speed. |
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| 22:26.08 | iostream | oiahsdf: So, if i did something like: nohup foo &, fg %1, bg %1, foo would still run uninterupted? |
| 22:26.17 | iostream | oiahsdf: sorry. i meant |
| 22:26.29 | iostream | oiahsdf: So, if i did something like: nohup foo &, fg %1, ctrl+Z , bg %1, foo would still run uninterupted? |
| 22:26.31 | EdLin | !nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 22:26.33 | dpkg | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, edlin |
| 22:26.33 | S4NE | i had installed common again and test to remove it both once again but doesn´t wok :( |
| 22:26.43 | EdLin | only 52%? |
| 22:26.46 | EdLin | :-) |
| 22:27.07 | S4NE | !nickometer S4NE |
| 22:27.08 | dpkg | 'S4NE' is 34.000% lame, s4ne |
| 22:27.12 | S4NE | :( |
| 22:27.16 | oiahsdf | oiahsdf: well ctrl+Z is translated into a sigstop, not sighup, so before you bg it it will probably be paused |
| 22:27.24 | oiahsdf | iostream rather |
| 22:27.29 | S4NE | beardy |
| 22:27.33 | S4NE | any ideas? |
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| 22:27.47 | oiahsdf | otherwise it will not change its disposition towards hups |
| 22:27.54 | beardy | S4NE: Did the -common package get removed the first time? |
| 22:28.12 | S4NE | yeah the prob is only proftpd |
| 22:28.32 | beardy | S4NE: 'cat /etc/debian_version' paste it's output please |
| 22:28.47 | iostream | oiahsdf: okay, so the process(es) spawned by nohup would be suspended and continued? |
| 22:28.49 | lakez | abrotman, so like I have a new mirror : http://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/debian/dists/testing/ ... how do I tell it amd64 ? |
| 22:29.03 | oiahsdf | iostream: as much as they would without nohup, yes |
| 22:29.07 | lakez | cause i get : Failed to fetch http://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/debian/dists/testing/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.61.111.9 80] |
| 22:29.11 | S4NE | 3.1 |
| 22:29.12 | S4NE | ^^ |
| 22:29.18 | iostream | oiahsdf: okay, thanks for info. |
| 22:29.50 | abrotman | lakez: you don't have to at all |
| 22:30.00 | abrotman | lakez: paste your sources somewhere |
| 22:30.00 | K|NgGh0sT | Well ever since I upgraded to Etch, sound has been quite distorted |
| 22:30.00 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:30.00 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:30.08 | beardy | S4NE: When you installed, did you install proftpd or proftpd-common, the first time you installed it? |
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| 22:30.19 | S4NE | proftpd |
| 22:30.46 | beardy | S4NE: And now, proftpd is still installed? |
| 22:31.02 | lakez | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/743754 |
| 22:31.05 | S4NE | yes can´t remove it and it is runnign and running ....... |
| 22:31.06 | S4NE | ^^ |
| 22:31.20 | lakez | The line with arizona are the originals |
| 22:31.29 | petn-randall | !tell K|NgGh0sT about smart questions |
| 22:31.35 | beardy | S4NE: Stop it, then remove it, /etc/init.d/proftpd stop' |
| 22:31.49 | abrotman | lakez: deb http://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/debian/ etch main .. try that |
| 22:31.57 | S4NE | loel |
| 22:31.59 | lakez | k |
| 22:32.08 | S4NE | it said me that it wasn´t found @all |
| 22:32.16 | beardy | S4NE: Should be stopped automatically, but perhaps it didn't, for some reason. |
| 22:32.18 | raf256 | abrotman: ph3r my amazing hax0r skilz |
| 22:32.27 | lakez | surprise surprise, it worked heh |
| 22:32.28 | lakez | nice |
| 22:32.28 | beardy | S4NE: Well, what is it called then? |
| 22:32.31 | abrotman | raf256: doubtful |
| 22:32.42 | lakez | and shit, pure-ftpd worked too |
| 22:32.46 | lakez | nice, thank you abrotman |
| 22:32.50 | abrotman | lakez: have a nice day |
| 22:32.56 | lakez | abrotman, i will now :) |
| 22:33.03 | S4NE | no it was working in the past i think loel |
| 22:33.12 | S4NE | soomething wrong there hmm |
| 22:33.25 | DA_ | raf256: thats not a punishment... thats torture |
| 22:33.29 | lakez | abrotman, one last question.. /usr/local/etc/ is where freebsd put application specific configs.. does debian have a similar section or does it just use /etc/ * ? |
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| 22:33.47 | raf256 | DA_: 2006's version of Human Rights docuemnt forbits it. |
| 22:33.53 | raf256 | forbids even |
| 22:34.00 | S4NE | usefull beardy? |
| 22:34.00 | raf256 | ah I can't spell/ |
| 22:34.00 | S4NE | whereis proftpd |
| 22:34.00 | S4NE | proftpd: /usr/sbin/proftpd /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 22:34.09 | interbird | aXp: The UDF-tools seem to work -- I'm currently burning a 3.5G file to a DVD+RW -- I'll let you know the result |
| 22:34.16 | beardy | lakez: /usr/local is used for programs you've compiled yourself, /etc for programs installed from the packagesystem. |
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| 22:34.27 | beardy | lakez: /etc/subdir for some though |
| 22:34.41 | DA_ | raf256: i don't doubt that for a second. |
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| 22:35.20 | beardy | S4NE: From where have you installed proftpd? |
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| 22:35.40 | beardy | S4NE: Any unofficial repository? |
| 22:35.42 | S4NE | with apt-get from lists of our provider |
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| 22:35.56 | abrotman | lakez: just /etc/ for the most part |
| 22:35.59 | beardy | S4NE: provider? |
| 22:36.08 | S4NE | a german one strato.de |
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| 22:37.31 | mattt | germans are weird. |
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| 22:38.06 | dhuv | abortman: I installed debian on software raid. if I were to go and reinstall, do you think that it the installer will recognize the current software raid partitions? |
| 22:38.06 | thingfish | no weirder than anyone else. |
| 22:38.08 | hobophobe | Is there a GUI for top, or something similar? |
| 22:38.20 | beardy | exactly |
| 22:38.31 | dhuv | I ONLY want to format the OS partition, not the other things as they have data on them |
| 22:38.32 | abrotman | dhuv: no .. it's software ... |
| 22:38.45 | abrotman | dhuv: if you remove the software that controls that .. how would it know? |
| 22:39.10 | dhuv | well, it would recognize that there are partitions there and I can set it up the same way right? |
| 22:39.11 | beardy | S4NE: 'proftpd --version' what does that say? |
| 22:39.28 | S4NE | - ProFTPD Version 1.2.10 |
| 22:39.39 | abrotman | dhuv: it's swraid |
| 22:39.47 | abrotman | wait . i don't use sw raid .. |
| 22:39.47 | mattt | i'm just teasing ... berlin's a kickass place. |
| 22:39.57 | S4NE | LautesOnlineLachen |
| 22:40.00 | dhuv | abortman:ok thanks |
| 22:40.12 | beardy | proftpd: (Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-15sarge1.0.1 (sarge) |
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| 22:40.36 | beardy | S4NE: but I'm not sure if it should reply with that sarge-version ór not.. |
| 22:40.39 | S4NE | yes beardy go on please |
| 22:40.49 | S4NE | hm |
| 22:40.56 | grell | Hello is there a way to get a debian kernel-source package of anything newer than 2.6.8 ? Like 2.6.16 ? |
| 22:41.33 | elm80 | grell, 4 stable? |
| 22:41.40 | chealer | !tell grell about 2.6.12 |
| 22:41.43 | S4NE | beardy isn´t there another way to remove it? |
| 22:41.45 | abrotman | grell: in sarge, no .. in etch/sid .. yes |
| 22:41.53 | beardy | S4NE: I don't understand why you had errors when you removed it.. |
| 22:42.03 | S4NE | me2 |
| 22:42.09 | pyroplasm | S4NE: were there any messages besides this dpkg line you pasted? and what does dpkg -la say about proftpd? |
| 22:42.17 | lakez | wow debian does weird stuff... /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/ has seperate files... |
| 22:42.43 | lakez | i'll figure out how to chroot.. so far debian kicks.. no problems with my sata or network :) |
| 22:42.59 | abrotman | !chroot |
| 22:42.59 | dpkg | chroot is, like, a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 22:43.28 | lakez | pure-ftpd chroot tho :( |
| 22:43.37 | S4NE | pyroplasm : dpkg -la says |
| 22:43.37 | S4NE | ri proftpd 1.2.10-15sarge1.0.1 Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon |
| 22:43.37 | S4NE | rc proftpd-common 1.2.10-15sarge1.0.1 Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon |
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| 22:43.50 | S4NE | or do u meant something else? |
| 22:43.53 | lakez | jesus loves me the network is blazing |
| 22:43.53 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:43.54 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:43.56 | abrotman | stop talking like a tard |
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| 22:44.27 | hobophobe | or, if there's not a gui for it, how do I scroll through the running processes that aren't visible? |
| 22:44.35 | RvGaTe | does anyone know a quick way to convert .3gp -> .mpg... either on windows or debian (console only) |
| 22:45.01 | raf256 | RvGaTe: does mplayer play it? then mencoder perhaps? ask #mplayer |
| 22:45.03 | beardy | hobophobe: what? did you ask something above, or why "or"? |
| 22:45.03 | abrotman | wtf is .3gp ? |
| 22:45.03 | pyroplasm | S4NE: does "dpkg -P proftpd" work? |
| 22:45.12 | kapal | anyone familiar with selinux? |
| 22:45.12 | raf256 | abrotman: cell phone video |
| 22:45.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:45.25 | raf256 | kapal: grsecurity is cooler IMHO |
| 22:45.27 | hobophobe | beardy, a gui for, or a way for me to learn to use top :o) Want to know how to manage my processes in linux |
| 22:45.42 | overflow | abrotman: yes, I think it's frpm Nokia cell phones |
| 22:45.46 | hobophobe | beardy, see which ones is using more memory, cpu, etc :o) |
| 22:46.09 | S4NE | «pyroplasm» invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/proftpd not found. |
| 22:46.13 | lakez | 2MB/sec on average with the exact same network/hardware .. 13MB/sec on debian (network driver not broken?) |
| 22:46.32 | kapal | raf256: yes, but i still got to run it for some reason |
| 22:46.33 | beardy | hobophobe: Run it. And read it's manual. top is more for looking at what uses resources, not to manage processes. |
| 22:46.34 | pyroplasm | S4NE: AH! You are running in an vServer environment |
| 22:46.47 | pyroplasm | S4NE: right? |
| 22:46.52 | S4NE | erm.... |
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| 22:47.01 | Ugly_Duck | can i defreg a vfat partition from within linux? |
| 22:47.02 | freeone3000 | Hi... What package is required to build mplayer from source with the gui? I have libgtk2.0-dev, but it's still complaining about the lack of gtk development files. |
| 22:47.04 | abrotman | pyroplasm: or he removed it manually |
| 22:47.11 | S4NE | don´t thinnk so but go on and we will see |
| 22:47.17 | beardy | hobophobe: Type ? when running it, and you'll get a helpscreen. |
| 22:47.45 | S4NE | abrotman : no i haven´t and it is quiet online can join the ftp server ;) |
| 22:47.59 | abrotman | S4NE: touch /etc/init.d/proftpd .. try again |
| 22:48.04 | kapal | raf256: still do i need special version of sysvinit or sarge's package is prepared to lad selinuxe's policy? |
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| 22:48.45 | S4NE | LautesOnlineLachen |
| 22:48.57 | S4NE | it gives me no permission.... |
| 22:49.02 | abrotman | you're not root ? |
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| 22:49.14 | S4NE | i´m root |
| 22:49.30 | abrotman | not if you can't write to /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:49.33 | raf256 | kapal: for grsecurity you should patch & rebuild kernel, and get gradm tool (preffeably from sources I suppose?) |
| 22:49.48 | S4NE | i will login once again^^ |
| 22:49.58 | kapal | raf256: but im still talking about selinux |
| 22:50.04 | hobophobe | Good to know, thanks beardy |
| 22:50.10 | raf256 | kapal: ah, well I dont know :/ |
| 22:50.22 | kapal | raf256: thanks anyway |
| 22:51.34 | beardy | hobophobe: To list processes, 'man ps'. To kill processes 'man kill' (but don't, unless it's really necessary, and don't use kill -KILL unless you really have to) to renice, or run somethign at a lower/higher priority, 'man nice'. And top you know, there's lots. The Debian Reference is a good read. /msg dpkg reference |
| 22:51.53 | kapal | selinux though its age is not really wide'ly supported, maybe its too complex ot use *grin* |
| 22:52.36 | freeone3000 | for future refrence, the package is libgtk1.2-dev. |
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| 22:53.14 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 22:54.06 | S4NE | abortman : doesn´t work |
| 22:54.11 | S4NE | no permissin |
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| 22:54.22 | abrotman | then you should have your admin put it there |
| 22:55.12 | S4NE | what do u mean? |
| 22:55.17 | S4NE | i´m sorry |
| 22:55.34 | abrotman | this is not AOL |
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| 22:55.44 | Shadowcat | !u |
| 22:55.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 22:56.20 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i'm fine .. |
| 22:56.28 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i haven't started cursing yet :) |
| 22:56.35 | Shadowcat | abrotman: so how come you broke the meter? :/ |
| 22:56.43 | abrotman | i broke the meter? |
| 22:56.51 | S4NE | :'( |
| 22:56.51 | pyroplasm | S4NE: the dirty way could be: exit 0 > /var/lib/dpkg/info/proftpd.prerm |
| 22:56.52 | Shadowcat | ya your blood pressure broke the meter |
| 22:57.00 | abrotman | Shadowcat: probably all the liver i eat |
| 22:57.22 | S4NE | hmmm i have a page running on it will it work without any probs... |
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| 22:57.28 | beardy | S4NE: Just say "you" instead of "u". |
| 22:57.32 | milestone | hi all |
| 22:57.34 | abrotman | !de |
| 22:57.35 | dpkg | de is, like, Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:57.37 | us0r | i'm having some problems booting my new kernel. I followed the procedure on http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html on 7.1.1, and i made my ram image and pointed grub to it, and the kernel now boots, but when init starts, it tells me that /lib/modules/<my kernel>/modules.dep does not exit, then it tries to open dev/console, and it says it does not exist, then i get a kernel panic saying "Attempted to kill init!" |
| 22:58.09 | Shadowcat | us0r: we're not here to help you compile a kernel |
| 22:58.10 | abrotman | us0r: you went from a 2.4 to a 2.6? |
| 22:58.15 | us0r | yes |
| 22:58.24 | S4NE | yeah i´m sorry :) |
| 22:58.27 | abrotman | us0r: why didn't you use the 2.6 debian provides? |
| 22:58.38 | Shadowcat | abrotman: because he thought he was smart |
| 22:58.47 | Shadowcat | 2.6 doesn't work very well at all without udev |
| 22:58.50 | abrotman | luckily Shadowcat is here to dispel that rumor |
| 22:58.51 | us0r | abrotman: i needed to compile in support for sambafs. is there an image for that? |
| 22:58.54 | milestone | i have recorded a show with my tuxbox. It spit out a .ts file, which i edited with ProjectX. Now I do have 2 files. One with .m2v and one with .mp2 how do i get an mpeg from these two? I read something about mplex, but i am unsure because i am a complete newbie |
| 22:59.03 | milestone | can anyone point me into the right direction? |
| 22:59.03 | Shadowcat | us0r: sambafs? |
| 22:59.04 | Shadowcat | wtf? |
| 22:59.09 | abrotman | us0r: eh .. i'm pretty sure smbfs is in 2.4 and 2.6 in sarge |
| 22:59.13 | milestone | i want to burn a dvd from the mpg |
| 22:59.16 | Shadowcat | it's called smbfs, and it's been in debian for ages |
| 22:59.23 | acronos | Why is rpc open by default? That seems like a major hole with no reason to be. What am I missing? |
| 22:59.24 | beardy | us0r: The stock kernels has more modules compiled in than you'll ever need. Use the stock kernel, it works fine. |
| 22:59.35 | abrotman | acronos: apt-get --purge remove portmap |
| 22:59.39 | Shadowcat | beardy: lies, but generally true |
| 22:59.55 | beardy | Shadowcat: You better back that up. |
| 22:59.57 | abrotman | truth .. but not! |
| 23:00.06 | acronos | abrotman, why is it there? will I be breaking something important? |
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| 23:00.07 | S4NE | Okay guys another question what can i do to secure my server.....i only installed mod_evasive until now |
| 23:00.10 | us0r | beardy: but my stock kernel will not mount my samba share because it does not recognize smbfs as a valid partition type |
| 23:00.11 | Shadowcat | beardy: it doesn't have software suspend2, which I use |
| 23:00.13 | S4NE | abd got a firewall |
| 23:00.21 | abrotman | acronos: it's there for people who run stuff over nfs |
| 23:00.26 | beardy | Shadowcat: Do you have all the modules available loaded? |
| 23:00.28 | Shadowcat | oh and it doesn't have the reiser4 stuff either, which I also use |
| 23:00.37 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 23:00.45 | beardy | Shadowcat: You use reisefs, hah.. nevermind then. |
| 23:00.49 | Shadowcat | beardy: Software Suspend 2 isn't even in the main kernel tree, and neither is reiser4 |
| 23:00.55 | abrotman | Shadowcat: is reiser4 in the linux kernel yet? |
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| 23:01.40 | Shadowcat | in fact I need a custom kernel in order to boot at all on some of my systems |
| 23:01.41 | acronos | abrotman, I am only using postgresql. I don't think i need it but i'm not sure. |
| 23:01.53 | abrotman | acronos: so apt-get --purge remove portmap |
| 23:02.03 | acronos | k |
| 23:02.04 | beardy | Shadowcat: You weren't the one I told to stick to stock kernels. |
| 23:02.34 | Shadowcat | <beardy> us0r: The stock kernels has more modules compiled in than you'll ever need. Use the stock kernel, it works fine. <--- that statement just doesn't apply to me |
| 23:02.41 | beardy | Shadowcat: If you know what to do, and have a reason, do as you please. His reasons were, to me atleast, not valid. |
| 23:02.55 | Shadowcat | actually he doesn't have a reason |
| 23:02.57 | Shadowcat | just pure stupidity |
| 23:03.05 | beardy | Shadowcat: Answer my question, do you have all the available modules loaded? |
| 23:03.10 | Shadowcat | he went from 2.4 to 2.6 without installing udev, and probably not configuring the kernel |
| 23:03.20 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 23:03.20 | dpkg | [devconsole] http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 23:03.31 | Shadowcat | beardy: you just don't get it, software suspend 2 and reiserfs aren't available in the debian stock tree, NOR the vanilla tree |
| 23:03.36 | Shadowcat | and no it's not patched either |
| 23:03.40 | beardy | Shadowcat: Well then, what is incorrect about what I said? |
| 23:03.48 | abrotman | Shadowcat: maybe cause they suck! |
| 23:03.52 | beardy | Shadowcat: I get it perfectly fine. |
| 23:04.00 | abrotman | !beer beardy and Shadowcat |
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| 23:04.16 | Shadowcat | abrotman: we can argue about reiserfs until hell freezes over |
| 23:04.18 | beardy | Shadowcat: On a box that you run a stock kernel, or could run one, is every module loaded, or needed? |
| 23:04.26 | Shadowcat | as for software suspend 2, never leave home without it |
| 23:04.26 | abrotman | Shadowcat: yeah .. but you'd be wrong :) |
| 23:04.32 | Gnea | !reiserfs |
| 23:04.32 | dpkg | reiserfs is, like, a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 23:04.44 | Shadowcat | beardy:: again, don't have a box that can run a stock kernel |
| 23:05.01 | beardy | Shadowcat: You're boxes are crap then. |
| 23:05.05 | beardy | Your. |
| 23:05.18 | Shadowcat | no, my boxes are just fine |
| 23:05.23 | milestone | any help is highly appreciated |
| 23:05.32 | Gnea | beardy: why would one load every possible module from a stock kernel? what's the point? |
| 23:05.33 | beardy | Shadowcat: And none of them can boot a stock kernel? Really? |
| 23:05.40 | shogunx | beardy my rs/6000's are not crap, but a stock kernel won't tough them. |
| 23:05.44 | beardy | Gnea: Read thw whole story. |
| 23:05.51 | Gnea | milestone: what's the problem? |
| 23:05.55 | Shadowcat | beardy: reiser4 root partition |
| 23:05.55 | Gnea | beardy: can't, wasn't here. |
| 23:06.00 | abrotman | shogunx: no .. those are garbage! :) |
| 23:06.02 | shogunx | Gnea, too much ram, and looking for something to do with it? |
| 23:06.05 | Shadowcat | and since reiser4 isn't in the stock kernel, it won't boot |
| 23:06.10 | milestone | Gnea: video encoding. How do i convert a .m2v file to mpeg |
| 23:06.12 | Shadowcat | it's very simple |
| 23:06.13 | Gnea | shogunx: lame. |
| 23:06.18 | beardy | I said: us0r: The stock kernels has more modules compiled in than you'll ever need. Use the stock kernel, it works fine. |
| 23:06.22 | beardy | Gnea: ^^ |
| 23:06.41 | shogunx | abrotman, well, the pentagon thought they were garbage when they sold them to me for a song i guess:) |
| 23:06.42 | Shadowcat | beardy: and you can see how I don't agree with that |
| 23:06.43 | mini2 | is there a document online that summarizes the differences in running etch vs sarge? I clicked around on debian.org and google and didn't find anything. I'm just noticing subtle differences and I wonder if there's other stuff (e.g. packages seem to be signed, shutdown prompts for password, all modules end in .ko instead of .o) it's wierd stuff to me |
| 23:06.50 | beardy | Shadowcat: Your choice of broken filesystems has nothing to do with the hardware. |
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| 23:07.00 | Shadowcat | reiser4 isn't broken, it works just fine |
| 23:07.03 | Gnea | beardy: actually, most modules in a stock kernel are compiled as modules |
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| 23:07.07 | abrotman | shogunx: they replaced them with itanium! :) |
| 23:07.08 | shogunx | Gnea, i prefer a no module monolithic kernel personally. |
| 23:07.11 | us0r | beardy: but it doesn't work fine. i try to mount a smbfs share using the stock kernel and it says that smbfs is not a valid option |
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| 23:07.25 | abrotman | mini2: etch is testing .. stuff changes and breaks .. sarge is stable |
| 23:07.30 | shogunx | abrotman, oh, you mean the cheap ripoff of parisc? |
| 23:07.34 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:07.38 | Gnea | shogunx: if i can help it, so do i. except for things like usb and scsi (unless it's a scsi host controller) |
| 23:07.41 | beardy | Gnea: Yes, and all the available modules, are they loaded for you all the time? If not, then it has more modules than you need on that box. Period. |
| 23:08.00 | abrotman | i'm gonna smack all of you |
| 23:08.02 | Gnea | shogunx: btw, i found out why ewl wasn't compiling. now the problem is just on e itself |
| 23:08.06 | Shadowcat | doesn't have more modules than I need when I can't even boot without a certain one |
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| 23:08.27 | shogunx | Gnea, i got a new tree to build on alpha... probably will do so on x86 too. |
| 23:08.30 | abrotman | Shadowcat: that's because you use stuff that doesn't work |
| 23:08.32 | Shadowcat | stock kernels use initrds too which well umm... let's NOT get into that |
| 23:08.45 | us0r | children....please...let's keep our hands to ourselves |
| 23:08.50 | kapal | us0r: apt-get install smbfs ? im running the stock kernel an mounted samba shares today with no problem |
| 23:08.51 | mini2 | abrotman: do you run etch or sarge? |
| 23:08.51 | beardy | Shadowcat: As I said, I didn't say it to you, which have special reasons to compile your own kernel, and probably know how to do it. |
| 23:08.59 | beardy | s/which/who |
| 23:09.04 | Gnea | beardy: of course not, and they shouldn't be. that'd be like attaching 10 extra wheels to a hummer with rods attached so that it looks like it has training wheels on both sides. |
| 23:09.13 | abrotman | mini2: both |
| 23:09.20 | Shadowcat | Gnea: sshhh stop giving GM ideas |
| 23:09.21 | beardy | Gnea: What I said was then correct. |
| 23:09.28 | shogunx | hehheh |
| 23:09.31 | Gnea | beardy: indeed. |
| 23:09.46 | us0r | kapal: thanks, man. i didnt know smbfs was not installed with the rest of samba |
| 23:09.59 | beardy | (I just got pissed of Shadowcat calling it "lies" and not backing it up, "lies" is a strong word.) |
| 23:10.02 | Gnea | shogunx: the problem was actually with the cvs version of autoconf, it had to be downgraded |
| 23:10.06 | beardy | +on |
| 23:10.14 | Shadowcat | beardy: and I just did back it up |
| 23:10.19 | abrotman | LIES! |
| 23:10.19 | Shadowcat | and fyi, I say lies all the time |
| 23:10.26 | thingfish | us0r: did someone tell you to use cifs instead? |
| 23:10.26 | Shadowcat | just like abrotman |
| 23:10.28 | abrotman | LAYS! |
| 23:10.30 | beardy | Shadowcat: Well, I didn't find that valid. |
| 23:10.38 | sussudio_ | ... |
| 23:10.45 | sussudio_ | does USB just not work on SMP systems or what |
| 23:10.47 | shogunx | Gnea hmm. i'll check the new tree on x86. |
| 23:10.49 | abrotman | sussudio_: come hang out .. play .. it'll be fun! |
| 23:10.54 | mini2 | abrotman: in your experience, how much less 'stable' is testing vs stable? |
| 23:11.03 | beardy | sussudio_: Long time since I saw you. Hello |
| 23:11.04 | kapal | thingfish: whats the difference(im curious)? |
| 23:11.05 | Shadowcat | mini2: if you're asking about testing you shouldn't be running it |
| 23:11.07 | abrotman | mini2: depends what you need to use it for .. somedays .. things like X just break :) |
| 23:11.10 | sussudio_ | :-| |
| 23:11.11 | mini2 | abrotman: you mentioned 'stuff breaks'... how often |
| 23:11.24 | abrotman | mini2: depends .. some stuff seems to break more often |
| 23:11.29 | Shadowcat | oh when XOrg 7 hits testing we're gonna have a lot of whiners in here |
| 23:11.30 | us0r | thingfish: no, i was following the instructions here http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/03/nori/maenad/geek/di8k-debian/node13.html but it didn't say anything about installing smbfs (or samba for that matter) |
| 23:11.40 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i can't wait .. i'm going to DebConf6 then |
| 23:11.44 | Gnea | Shadowcat: that's okay... |
| 23:11.46 | sussudio_ | unresolved symbol del_timer_sync my ass. |
| 23:11.47 | Gnea | !xorg7 |
| 23:11.47 | dpkg | Find some solutions at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 in order to fix problems from 6.9 to 7 |
| 23:11.49 | Shadowcat | abrotman: don't you DARE leave me here |
| 23:11.50 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 23:11.53 | thingfish | kapal: I don't know about the details, I just know that sometime ago samba switched to using cifs. |
| 23:11.58 | abrotman | Shadowcat: why .. you'll have a great time |
| 23:12.09 | beardy | abrotman: Don't you dare leave him here ;) |
| 23:12.13 | mini2 | what does it mean with modules end with .ko instead of .o? |
| 23:12.14 | Shadowcat | abrotman: I'll goto debconf as well just to avoid the craziness in here |
| 23:12.29 | Gnea | mini2: 2.6 kernels use .ko |
| 23:12.38 | beardy | Shadowcat: As if you don't add to it? ;) |
| 23:12.45 | Shadowcat | !beat beardy |
| 23:12.49 | abrotman | beardy: will you log it all for me? :) |
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| 23:12.54 | S4NE | abrotman : is it possible that the super server init.d isn´t responsering becaus when itype ps x i see some commands like |
| 23:12.57 | S4NE | 4684 ?¿? Ss 0:00 inetd reload |
| 23:12.57 | S4NE | 4709 ?¿? Ss 0:00 inetd |
| 23:12.57 | S4NE | 4740 ?¿? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd |
| 23:12.57 | S4NE | 4754 ?¿? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd stop |
| 23:12.57 | S4NE | 4903 ?¿? Ss 0:00 inetd |
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| 23:13.05 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 23:13.10 | Gnea | !tell s7ne about paster |
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| 23:13.15 | mini2 | Gnea: I'm using sarge iwth 2.6.8... my modules end with .o (?) |
| 23:13.15 | beardy | abrotman: not if the logs will fill up with that ^^^... |
| 23:13.15 | Gnea | !tell s4ne about paster |
| 23:13.28 | S4NE | so sorry |
| 23:13.36 | Gnea | mini2: they can't.... sure you got the right modules? |
| 23:13.46 | S4NE | abrotman have u read it |
| 23:13.46 | S4NE | ?¿? |
| 23:13.51 | Shadowcat | Gnea: he probably has a 2.4 kernel in there somewhere |
| 23:13.58 | Gnea | Shadowcat: most likely |
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| 23:14.00 | abrotman | if you use 'u' one more fucking time .. i'm going to personally drive to germany and rip your head off |
| 23:14.03 | abrotman | have a nice day :) |
| 23:14.06 | Gnea | !u |
| 23:14.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:14.11 | mini2 | Gnea: youre right.. looked at the old /lib/modules path |
| 23:14.18 | Shadowcat | S4NE: first off learn to spell, secondly stop using the darn inverted question marks, this isn't AOL |
| 23:14.18 | beardy | S4NE: Really, try to speak as good as you can, that means, a question mark, on the same line after a question, among other things. |
| 23:14.31 | kapal | thingfish: isnt cifs a different protocol? |
| 23:14.38 | Shadowcat | I blame Yahoo chat for all the rudeness on IRC |
| 23:14.38 | beardy | !beer Shadowcat |
| 23:14.51 | Gnea | Shadowcat: i blame AOL |
| 23:14.56 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i've never used Yahoo chat |
| 23:15.03 | Shadowcat | in those days you had to download a plugin in netscape 3 |
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| 23:15.12 | Shadowcat | actually netscape 2 |
| 23:15.14 | S4NE | yeah you are right sorry |
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| 23:15.25 | shogunx | Gnea AOL is a good group to blame, in general, for lots of things. |
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| 23:15.42 | beardy | AOL is in Debian. |
| 23:15.56 | thingfish | nfw |
| 23:16.01 | shogunx | beardy what, the webserver? |
| 23:16.11 | abrotman | beardy: there is no AOL client in debian |
| 23:16.12 | beardy | !+info aol sarge |
| 23:16.14 | dpkg | Package 'aol' does not exist. |
| 23:16.22 | swim | I extracted an rpm so that I could mv the files out of the local directory so it wouldnt be used... how can I repack the dir as a deb now? |
| 23:16.22 | beardy | shogunx: Yeah, or whatever it is.. |
| 23:16.26 | S4NE | if i don´t use this fucking question marks and something like this would someone help me please :) |
| 23:16.27 | beardy | !+info aol-server sarge |
| 23:16.29 | dpkg | Package 'aol-server' does not exist. |
| 23:16.32 | beardy | wtf.. |
| 23:16.36 | azeem | swim: try to find a .deb directly |
| 23:16.55 | shogunx | AOL bought into redhat, which prompted my move to debian. |
| 23:17.01 | thingfish | beardy: it's aolserver |
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| 23:17.06 | thingfish | or aolserver4 |
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| 23:17.13 | beardy | thingfish: Ah. |
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| 23:17.41 | beardy | thingfish: I've never looked at it, only seen it when browsing the packagelist. |
| 23:17.50 | freeone3000 | Ehm. libmagick6 requires libdps1 which requires xfree86-common? WHY? |
| 23:17.52 | Shadowcat | !info aolserver sarge |
| 23:17.53 | znx | >:) |
| 23:17.53 | dpkg | aolserver: (AOL Web Server 3 (Program)), section web, is optional. Version: 3.5.6-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 674 kB, Installed size: 1469 kB |
| 23:18.00 | us0r | grr...stupid windows and your spaces :p |
| 23:18.01 | abrotman | that's not an aol client |
| 23:18.03 | shogunx | Gnea so the .configure was being generated incorrectly? |
| 23:18.04 | azeem | freeone3000: it's an X application |
| 23:18.07 | swim | azeem: i have to no avail... its IglooFTP |
| 23:18.13 | beardy | abrotman: No, it's the "server". |
| 23:18.17 | freeone3000 | azeem: But why not require something more sensible, like xserver-common? |
| 23:18.37 | blondie | AOL FTW |
| 23:18.41 | azeem | freeone3000: I guess it doesn't need an X server |
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| 23:18.46 | azeem | just some X stuff |
| 23:18.50 | beardy | But perhaps it's good and works fine, I don't know what it actually is. |
| 23:18.51 | thingfish | blondie you're a nut, you know that? |
| 23:18.53 | azeem | swim: I don't think that is generally doable |
| 23:19.00 | blondie | why thank you |
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| 23:19.03 | freeone3000 | azeem: Which would be all well and good. Except that I'm on unstable, which uses xorg. |
| 23:19.04 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:19.10 | azeem | swim: you can create a binary-only .deb for it, but that is not trivial |
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| 23:19.20 | swim | hmm i see |
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| 23:19.22 | Shadowcat | freeone3000: if you're on unstable you should be reading the topic |
| 23:19.27 | Gnea | shogunx: yeah |
| 23:19.28 | azeem | freeone3000: so your sources are busted |
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| 23:20.06 | fourat | hello all |
| 23:20.31 | us0r | hello! how are you? |
| 23:20.31 | dpkg | mas o menos, us0r |
| 23:20.49 | fourat | anyone know how to create a chrooted user, give him it's own environement, and limit it in CPU, MEM and DISK quotas |
| 23:21.01 | freeone3000 | Shadowcat: Which doesn't mention anything about imagemagick... |
| 23:21.14 | Shadowcat | fourat: uhh that isn't really something you can write up in a 10 point tutorial... |
| 23:21.28 | shogunx | freeone3000, inagemagick should not need X at all. |
| 23:21.37 | fourat | yes i know Shadowcat, seeking for docs, tutos ... |
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| 23:21.43 | azeem | shogunx: display needs it |
| 23:21.49 | freeone3000 | shogunx: But, it depends libdps1, which depends x. |
| 23:21.49 | azeem | !info libdps1 unstable |
| 23:21.58 | azeem | 01:14 <dpkg> Package 'libdps1' does not exist. |
| 23:22.00 | shogunx | azeem cant that use svgalib also? |
| 23:22.01 | kapal | fourat: what do you need it for? |
| 23:22.06 | Shadowcat | xorg is so broken right now it makes the US Government seem like a working entity |
| 23:22.10 | azeem | shogunx: dunno, but who would want that? |
| 23:22.22 | azeem | shogunx: display is obviously linking against libX11 |
| 23:22.35 | fourat | kapal, i need to setup a shell serving server for my university |
| 23:22.44 | shogunx | azeem console image display can be handy at times. |
| 23:22.50 | fourat | kapal, we have a non chrooted one |
| 23:22.51 | azeem | shogunx: maybe |
| 23:23.00 | azeem | shogunx: that doesn't mean display shouldn't work on X |
| 23:23.16 | shogunx | azeem agreed, but it should not ^need^ it. |
| 23:23.42 | azeem | shogunx: what do you propose? |
| 23:23.55 | azeem | two different imagemagick packages, one for X, one for consoleß |
| 23:23.56 | azeem | ? |
| 23:24.07 | azeem | freeone3000: which version of imagemagick do you have install/do you want to install? |
| 23:24.15 | shogunx | azeem, like a runtime switch to determine output. defaults to x if x is running, defaults to svgalib if no x. |
| 23:24.22 | kapal | fourat: your studying a good university then, the place where i study is a mess, and they dont even think of such a things |
| 23:24.25 | azeem | shogunx: send a patch :P |
| 23:24.58 | kapal | fourat: not to mention i study it *grin* |
| 23:25.09 | shogunx | azeem not sure if i have time in the next week or two, but will look into it after. |
| 23:26.09 | acronos | Security tutorials I am reading refer to ipchains and netfilter. Netfilter is supposed to be for 2.4 kernel which I am running while ipchains is 2.2, yet debian installer installed ipchains. Was this a stability issue? What am I not understanding that caused this to be the default behavior of the installer? |
| 23:26.15 | shogunx | azeem trying very hard to complete a solar powered x-terminal network:) |
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| 23:26.20 | fourat | kapal, we do have an old redhat9 server, any new student shoul have its use account there, accessed through SSH, used as a testbed, it is serving POP/IMAP internal university mail, ldap and ftp |
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| 23:26.45 | fourat | i was affected to securise the server |
| 23:27.04 | fourat | we have users that consume memory and let the server break |
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| 23:27.16 | fourat | i would like to limit'em |
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| 23:27.18 | beardy | fourat: man deluser |
| 23:27.20 | kapal | fourat: have you checked http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net yer? |
| 23:27.25 | kapal | yet? |
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| 23:28.32 | fourat | no :) that's a good beginning |
| 23:28.46 | kapal | fourat: btw im working on selinux to harden the servers safty, but it isnt really easy, strightforward and supported :/ |
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| 23:29.18 | freeone3000 | azeem: 6... not imagemagick itself, the c thing for it. |
| 23:29.27 | swim | how difficult is it to create a package from an apps source code? |
| 23:29.28 | azeem | freeone3000: the c thing? |
| 23:29.33 | kapal | fourat: but as i heard its worth a while to have MAC applied in some way |
| 23:29.35 | azeem | freeone3000: did you compile it yourself? |
| 23:29.48 | MyWifeIs18 | is it possible to mount a .iso file created with mkisofs without first burning on to a disc? |
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| 23:30.00 | freeone3000 | azeem: No, but I assumed that since there were also ++ headers... |
| 23:30.01 | azeem | MyWifeIs18: yes, via loop mount |
| 23:30.06 | azeem | ah |
| 23:30.17 | azeem | freeone3000: what does dpkg -l imagemagick | tail -1 say? |
| 23:30.42 | fourat | kapal, personally i think selinux is not that mature, i didnt understood : but as i heard its worth a while to have MAC applied in some way |
| 23:30.44 | kapal | MyWifeIs18: read about loopback devices |
| 23:30.50 | freeone3000 | Imagemagick - image manipulation programs. Whoops, thanks! |
| 23:30.57 | azeem | ? |
| 23:31.06 | MyWifeIs18 | like 'man loopback'? |
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| 23:31.36 | azeem | I bet it said something like |
| 23:31.36 | azeem | ii imagemagick 6.2.3.4-1ubuntu1 Image manipulation programs |
| 23:31.46 | thingfish | MyWifeIs18: no, man mount |
| 23:32.02 | kapal | fourat: MAC means also Mandatory Access Control, which is very different to DAC= Discretionary Access Controll, that is used widely in every *nix system |
| 23:32.24 | fourat | ok |
| 23:32.28 | kapal | fourat: you know chown/chmod pair |
| 23:32.32 | pyroplasm | fourat: you might want to have a look at systrace (it allows or denies system calls based on policies) |
| 23:33.40 | kapal | as i study selinux i think it is to be used by paranoid people *grin* |
| 23:34.03 | swim | can anyone tell me what I should get to help me build a package from an apps source code please? |
| 23:34.19 | beardy | swim: What program? |
| 23:34.25 | fourat | kapal, what if we use chroot command at the shell script of the user, useradd -s |
| 23:34.30 | swim | beardy: IglooFTP |
| 23:34.38 | fourat | swim, checkinstall |
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| 23:34.58 | swim | fourat: I've heard checkinstall is not so good for package building |
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| 23:35.08 | fourat | swim, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/147 |
| 23:35.31 | fourat | kapal, can user get out of the jail with that method ? |
| 23:35.47 | kapal | fourat: still chroot is a cage for both: the admin and the user |
| 23:36.09 | fourat | kapal, admin ? for which reason ? |
| 23:36.24 | abrotman | stow or checkinstall |
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| 23:36.59 | kapal | i mean for example while using chrooted postfix and sasldb and adding user i need to copy the authdatabase to postfix chroot directory |
| 23:37.11 | swim | abrotman: stow? |
| 23:37.22 | abrotman | !info stow sarge |
| 23:37.24 | lunitik | Having issues with sound... tried editing /etc/asound.conf but Debian seems to ignore this? I have onboard and regular soundcard, I wish to use the sound card... anyone know anything about this? what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:37.27 | dpkg | stow: (Organiser for /usr/local/ hierarchy), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.3.3-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
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| 23:37.44 | abrotman | swim: what software is it ? |
| 23:37.52 | kapal | fourat: do you understand what discredits chroot? |
| 23:38.07 | fourat | kapal, in that way if user would hack it, he'll not touch the root system |
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| 23:38.15 | swim | abrotman: its IglooFTP |
| 23:38.18 | fourat | kapal, he'll fuck his account |
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| 23:39.01 | abrotman | swim: why isn't it packaged? |
| 23:39.13 | fourat | kapal, what do you think about this : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/48 |
| 23:39.23 | swim | abrotman: I dont know... I cannot find it though |
| 23:39.39 | lunitik | Cards are snd-intel8x0 (onboard) and snd-cmipci (sound card) ... tried setting "card 1" which should default to the sound card? |
| 23:39.51 | abrotman | swim: you could file an RFP on it |
| 23:39.56 | abrotman | swim: got a URL ? |
| 23:40.06 | swim | abrotman: no sorry its filezilla |
| 23:40.18 | abrotman | i thought it was igloo! |
| 23:40.23 | swim | sorry forgot |
| 23:40.26 | swim | what I was doing |
| 23:40.39 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=330678 |
| 23:40.47 | kapal | fourat: i've quickly looked at the link, but if i understood that mean keeping a small distro for each user?! |
| 23:40.47 | lunitik | Anyone have any idea about sound setup on Debian? |
| 23:40.57 | fourat | kapal, yes |
| 23:41.02 | azeem | lunitik: try to be more specific, do you have issuesß |
| 23:41.03 | azeem | ? |
| 23:41.04 | abrotman | swim: there's a package there |
| 23:41.10 | fourat | kapal, a VDS |
| 23:41.13 | kapal | lunitik: it depends on the sndcard |
| 23:41.35 | abrotman | swim: or ... http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=filezilla&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 23:41.36 | kapal | lunitik: is your card supported by alsa? |
| 23:41.51 | lunitik | azeem: I'm not sure exactly how more specific I can be? Sound is simply now working... exact same setup works on other systems :/ |
| 23:41.56 | lunitik | kapal: yes |
| 23:42.04 | azeem | lunitik: are you running unstable? |
| 23:42.06 | kapal | fourat: still this is lots of storage needed i suppose |
| 23:42.12 | lunitik | azeem: is that relevant? |
| 23:42.16 | azeem | lunitik: yes |
| 23:42.28 | swim | thanks abrotman |
| 23:42.38 | kapal | lunitik: have you installed appropriate module for your sndcard? |
| 23:42.44 | abrotman | azeem: isn't it like .. 2am there? |
| 23:42.49 | azeem | yes |
| 23:43.19 | abrotman | ok .. carry on |
| 23:43.19 | azeem | heh |
| 23:43.19 | lunitik | azeem: I'm running 2.6 ... unless you're going to point me at a specific bug... version of Debian is irrelivant |
| 23:43.26 | azeem | lunitik: eh |
| 23:43.29 | lunitik | kapal: yes |
| 23:43.39 | azeem | lunitik: dpkg -l alsa-lib | tail -1, what does that say? |
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| 23:44.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:44.10 | kapal | lunitik: have you unmuted main volume? |
| 23:44.36 | lunitik | azeem: no such package] |
| 23:44.51 | azeem | blah |
| 23:44.55 | abrotman | azeem: i don't have it either |
| 23:44.56 | azeem | libasound2 it is |
| 23:45.06 | azeem | alsa-lib is the source package name, sorry |
| 23:45.27 | shogunx | Gnea what version of autoconf did ewl need? |
| 23:45.55 | lunitik | azeem: ii libasound2 1.0.11-6 ALSA library |
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| 23:46.08 | abrotman | yay unstable |
| 23:46.22 | azeem | lunitik: so -7 fixes some serious bugs |
| 23:46.23 | shogunx | Gnea e built fine with 2.59a-9 on alpha, but still borks with 2.59.cvs.2006 on x86 |
| 23:46.33 | azeem | lunitik: we could have gone through that a bit faster |
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| 23:46.54 | swim | ive found a package for filezilla for debian... there is one for sarge, etch, and sid... which one if any should I attempt to use? |
| 23:46.55 | kapal | fourat: i consider the safest method having selinux installed, but it isnt really easy |
| 23:47.03 | sticky | So.. question folks. I want to install Ghostscript on my server, but I *do not* want x11-common installed. Is there a way to install it with out x11? |
| 23:47.03 | lunitik | azeem: by my remark... you should have assumed sid... is there an actual issue with this in sid? |
| 23:47.05 | Lordthund | good morning, everybody.. i need some help downgrading stuff using dpkg.. |
| 23:47.08 | azeem | lunitik: can you please try -7 (if it has hit the mirrors already) |
| 23:47.16 | thingfish | swim: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:47.16 | azeem | lunitik: I asked you, you didn't answer |
| 23:47.33 | azeem | Lordthund: ugh |
| 23:47.39 | Lordthund | particular, can i somehow recreate dpkg database, so it doesn#t know abt previously deinstalled software? |
| 23:47.44 | swim | thingfish: oh wrong channel meant to ask in ubuntu |
| 23:47.58 | azeem | swim: easy mistake |
| 23:48.03 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:48.05 | abrotman | swim: i'm going to smack you |
| 23:48.25 | fourat | kapal, as u said, selinux is for paranoid, with its complexity/maturity, i would like to be patient :) |
| 23:48.26 | swim | no please... i just got plastic surgery |
| 23:48.30 | sticky | Anyone know the answer to my question? |
| 23:48.33 | abrotman | thingfish: did i tell you i burnt a whole in my rug? |
| 23:48.38 | lunitik | azeem: it apparently hasn't hit the mirror I use (mirrors.kernel.org) ... know of any that has it? |
| 23:48.40 | shogunx | !bitchsmack swim |
| 23:48.47 | thingfish | abrotman: now how did you manage to do that? |
| 23:48.48 | abrotman | sticky: why not x11-common ? |
| 23:48.53 | shogunx | ? no bitchsmack? |
| 23:49.01 | abrotman | thingfish: didn't i tell you last week .. about the catfish incident ? |
| 23:49.06 | sticky | abrotman: I'd rather not have x11 stuff on a server |
| 23:49.11 | kapal | fourat: at the moment im developing some perl scripts to make selinux for a regular admin :) |
| 23:49.12 | abrotman | sticky: it's just libraries |
| 23:49.18 | abrotman | sticky: it won't actually be running X |
| 23:49.21 | thingfish | abrotman: no, although I do remember you saying you cooked catfish. |
| 23:49.23 | Lordthund | azeem, this is my dpkg --get-selections | grep mysql |
| 23:49.30 | azeem | lunitik: http://incoming.debian.org/libasound2_1.0.11-7_i386.deb |
| 23:49.36 | sticky | abrotman: k |
| 23:49.39 | Lordthund | mysql-server-4.1 install |
| 23:49.39 | Lordthund | mysql-server-5.0 deinstall |
| 23:49.47 | abrotman | thingfish: when the oil is too hot .. it can get messy .. and hot oil can burn a whole in those little throw rugs for kitchens |
| 23:49.49 | lunitik | azeem: thanks... I'll try that |
| 23:49.54 | azeem | Lordthund: sorry, I'm not using mysql |
| 23:49.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:49.55 | Lordthund | (all the other stuff blended out |
| 23:50.07 | thingfish | abrotman: yes indeed, hot oil likes to jump around. |
| 23:50.07 | abrotman | thingfish: s/whole/hole/ |
| 23:50.08 | Lordthund | hmm.. i'm not too sure it has anything to do with mysql |
| 23:50.13 | fourat | kapal, keep'n'touch so (if your scripts are GPLed ;) ) |
| 23:50.15 | kapal | fourat: consider AppArmor also... its clickable, but i dont know about ports to other distro than Suse :/ |
| 23:50.16 | abrotman | thingfish: but tonight .. BBQ Chicken! |
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| 23:50.38 | thingfish | abrotman: oh yum, and you know I almost decided to BBQ some chicken myself tonight. |
| 23:50.42 | Lordthund | dpkg just complains that there is a higher version (which should be deinstalled) and is not installing |
| 23:50.42 | dpkg | okay, Lordthund |
| 23:50.52 | abrotman | dpkg: forget just complains that there |
| 23:50.52 | dpkg | abrotman: i forgot just complains that there |
| 23:50.54 | beardy | heh |
| 23:51.15 | abrotman | thingfish: i wasn't BBQ on the grill .. i have no grill .. just BBQ sauce .. but it was pretty darn good |
| 23:51.24 | Lordthund | abrotman, sorry :) |
| 23:51.43 | azeem | Lordthund: are you using dpkg or apt? |
| 23:51.45 | thingfish | abrotman: hard to go wrong with chicken and BBQ sauce, cooked any way. |
| 23:51.53 | shogunx | abrotman, coleman makes a great propane campling grill. |
| 23:51.58 | abrotman | thingfish: well .. wouldn't be so good like a clambake :) |
| 23:52.01 | Lordthund | apt for the installing/removing, but also tried dpkg itself |
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| 23:52.08 | beardy | thingfish: raw, could be a bit.. untasty? |
| 23:52.12 | abrotman | shogunx: i know .. but i rent .. not a big fan of having exploding things in a place i rent :) |
| 23:52.13 | Lordthund | dpkg -i --force-downgrade |
| 23:52.25 | Lordthund | azeem, dpkg -i --force-downgrade |
| 23:52.25 | thingfish | I baked some the other day with BBQ sauce, it was real good. Cooked it long and slow, covered, then uncovered it and turned the oven way up to brown it. |
| 23:52.46 | azeem | Lordthund: I thought dpkg -i just installs, no matter whether you're downgrading or not |
| 23:52.50 | thingfish | abrotman: oh man what I wouldn't give to be able to go to a clambake. I love clams. |
| 23:52.52 | shogunx | abrotman, reters insurance + a "hold over the landlords head" effect? hehe. |
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| 23:53.09 | thingfish | clams and oysters...my dad makes the best fried oysters. |
| 23:53.19 | kapal | anyways my question now.. ive read some of the debian policies, and havent found if it is a FHS compilant system |
| 23:53.24 | abrotman | thingfish: you can buy sand and clams :) |
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| 23:53.38 | abrotman | shogunx: i have renters .. but some things can't be replaced |
| 23:53.43 | crazy_penguin | night all. sleep well! :) |
| 23:54.41 | beardy | kapal: Find one that is more? |
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| 23:54.50 | beardy | kapal: (Linux) |
| 23:55.05 | shogunx | abrotman, i know what you mean. |
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| 23:56.24 | kapal | what about the /cdrom thing i know that it is convinient... but i havent found it elsewhere |
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| 23:57.48 | mne | hi ! this libasound2 bug is really nasty. I get tons of errors like "ALSA lib control.c:816:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:0". How can I install libalsa2 version 1.0.11-4. (according to the bug report this version seems to work) |
| 23:57.51 | beardy | kapal: What's your point? |
| 23:58.04 | lunitik | azeem: still not hearing sound... you know of any tutorial I can look over for issues with 2 sound cards and setting priority etc? |
| 23:58.12 | lunitik | maybe I missed something |
| 23:58.29 | chealer | mne: which release do you use? |
| 23:58.35 | azeem | lunitik: sorry, no |
| 23:58.42 | azeem | lunitik: maybe try to blacklist one? |
| 23:58.57 | DarkCow | How can I bind keycode 115 to the Meta key? |
| 23:59.10 | beardy | kapal: I guess "elsewhere" doesn't want to be convenient then? (And is /cdrom still there, isn't it /media/cdrom or similiar stupidities now?) |
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| 23:59.12 | mne | chealer, sorry, forgot to mention. debian unstable |
| 23:59.57 | azeem | Plater: maybe you want to rather repeat your hostap question? |
