| 00:00.05 | kapal | beardy: im having problems with placing data aproprietly. you know, im a neat man |
| 00:00.23 | Plater | azeem: i dont even bother no more :( |
| 00:00.28 | chealer | mne: the best way is probably to reinstall testing or another release. you should learn package management before you run unstable |
| 00:00.31 | beardy | kapal: So you should be (atleast on your computer). What's the data? |
| 00:00.37 | azeem | Plater: then please try to stay on topic anyway |
| 00:00.59 | Plater | little bit of humor, never wrong |
| 00:01.39 | mne | chealer, a simple apt-get install libasound=1.0.11-4 doesn't work, so it's not that simple :P I would be more interrested where to get the file so that I can install it using dpkg |
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| 00:01.40 | kapal | i assume that there is no /pub directory, which generally generated mess, so i place most of the data in /srv/service_name |
| 00:01.46 | azeem | Plater: sure, but you should moderate your off-topic quota compared to the amount of useful stuff you're contributing to the chan |
| 00:02.06 | beardy | kapal: Eh, what kind of standard is that..? |
| 00:02.18 | chealer | mne: ur...that's part of the essentials to know before running unstable too |
| 00:02.20 | Plater | azeem: now that's humor ;) |
| 00:02.25 | kapal | but still to be neat how should i name a service_data that is used both by samba and ftp samboftp? |
| 00:03.38 | kapal | fhs says: /srv contains site-specific data which is served by this system |
| 00:03.42 | mne | chealer, eeer .. thanks for your genious tip to downgrading my debian unstable distribution that I'm using for 4 years now :P I guess I'll have a look at the locat debian mirror and hope that I'll find something |
| 00:04.03 | beardy | kapal: Don't put things in /, only put things in your homedirectory, or if appropriate, /usr/local/somewhere,butstillaccordingtostandard /opt for things that don't care about standards. You may perhaps create other directories under /home, that isn't homedirs, but that's my opinion. Read 'man hier'. |
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| 00:04.55 | ikry | rudO_ |
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| 00:05.15 | beardy | kapal: Well, use that then, I don't think I've seen it anywhere. |
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| 00:05.39 | legion | tu som |
| 00:05.52 | ikry | da sa nejako sukromne kecat? |
| 00:06.09 | legion | nie - treba sa zaregistrovat |
| 00:06.16 | ikry | netreba |
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| 00:06.21 | ikry | nieco som nasiel |
| 00:06.32 | abrotman | english? |
| 00:06.34 | kapal | beardy: im not placeing data in / i consider better place to store servicedata in /var or in /srv than in /home or maybe im a freak? |
| 00:06.49 | Gnea | !ru |
| 00:06.49 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 00:06.52 | beardy | !sk |
| 00:06.52 | dpkg | well, sk is Slovakia. |
| 00:07.16 | ikry | nasiel som si ta v uzivateloch,pravym dal na teba,bolo tam nejake dialogove okno tak som to dal |
| 00:07.30 | beardy | kapal: No, you're not. I didn't understand what you were talking about first, that's all. |
| 00:07.34 | ikry | u're right sk is slovakia |
| 00:08.02 | beardy | ikry: In this channel, english is the language used. Please try to ask your question in english. |
| 00:08.08 | shogunx | Gnea which version of autoconf did ewl need? |
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| 00:08.43 | Gnea | shogunx: 2.59a-9 |
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| 00:08.50 | Gnea | 2.59.cvs.2006.05.13-1 was the culprit |
| 00:08.51 | ikry | pls let us to talk in our language,i must solve problem and i haven't got time to think about translating |
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| 00:09.09 | shogunx | Gnea that explains why e built w/o a promlem on alpha. |
| 00:09.15 | kapal | beardy: no offence i started working as an admin, so i want to do this right, earlier i didnt bother it so much as all the linux-machines were mine, thus unproffesional |
| 00:09.23 | azeem | ikry: take it to a private chat, then |
| 00:09.24 | Gnea | ikry: sorry, i thought you spoke russian there. still, this is an english-speaking channel. |
| 00:09.43 | shogunx | Gnea did you just manually downgrade w/ dpkg? |
| 00:09.51 | Gnea | shogunx: yeah |
| 00:09.52 | Arafangion | ikry: For someone who has trouble speaking English, you're using contractions just a little too well. |
| 00:09.55 | lunitik | azeem: thanks, blacklisting the onboard sound seems to have done the trick :) |
| 00:10.00 | azeem | cool |
| 00:10.01 | ikry | this is my first use of xchat so i don't know how it eorks |
| 00:10.14 | Arafangion | ikry: It's best to spell things properly, such as "you" and "the" and "like" and "please" and so on. It's polite. |
| 00:10.21 | Gnea | ikry: try to stick to english then, you'll get better help :) |
| 00:10.27 | beardy | kapal: Perhaps you could ask one of the Debian mailinglists? ABout the "right" or recommended way? |
| 00:11.13 | kapal | beardy: yes... fhs id JUST a standard, and to be treated as one *grin* |
| 00:11.16 | beardy | kapal: I understand you want to do it right. Was it samba and ftp you wanted to have together? |
| 00:11.39 | kapal | beardy: yes |
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| 00:12.38 | shogunx | Gnea where did the package come from? |
| 00:14.06 | shogunx | Gnea i'll see if building from gnu.org 2.59 tarball works. |
| 00:14.35 | beardy | kapal: Go with the fhs way, a /srv? Or perhaps /opt/data or /opt/pub, I don't know how much Debian does, or wants to, follow fhs, that's why a mailinglist could be better to ask on, perhaps? |
| 00:15.00 | beardy | kapal: The options are many.. |
| 00:15.43 | beardy | kapal: If your /home is bigger, and can hold more data, if needed, perhaps /home/pub is better. |
| 00:16.20 | beardy | kapal: I guess I'm mostly wasting your time now. :) |
| 00:16.27 | Gnea | shogunx: sec |
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| 00:17.35 | shogunx | Gnea keeps segfaulting with that autoconf during e build. |
| 00:18.00 | kapal | beardy: i've got a separate partition for this data, and ive started this question because i was curious is there an unwritten way to sort this, but thanks anyway... i understand that that it is flexible to place such data |
| 00:18.18 | beardy | kapal: Ask your question in a couple of hours, perhaps someone else knows more about it and can answer you better. |
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| 00:18.44 | Gnea | shogunx: ftp.debian.org:/debian/pool/main/a/autoconf/ |
| 00:18.53 | kapal | beardy: this matter is not of such importance to bother more people :) |
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| 00:20.15 | Lupo | somebody can help me? i would like install apache2 + mod_auth_ldap. |
| 00:20.35 | kapal | Lupo: i warn you ldap is a pain in the ass |
| 00:20.47 | beardy | kapal: A quite interesting question, but I think everyone solves it as they personally see fit. |
| 00:20.48 | interbird | ldap rocks |
| 00:21.10 | Lupo | ldap it is complicated.!! rs.. |
| 00:21.16 | kapal | i've got problems with ldap A LOT |
| 00:21.35 | Lupo | kapal: me too!!.. A LOT.. |
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| 00:21.56 | Lupo | kapal: did you install what with ldap??? |
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| 00:22.10 | kapal | interbird: ive tried several times to do this right, still unsucessful |
| 00:22.31 | Knorrie | ldap is really nasty to setup |
| 00:22.45 | xzgv | i'm using sarge, kernel 2.6, i installed firefox and opera as my browsers, i want opera to be default one. i did a ' update-alternatives --config x-www-browser it tells me there's nothing to config and ONLY shows firefox. A 'locate' shows opera in /user/bin, is there a bug? or is there another way? |
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| 00:22.53 | interbird | kapal: what is the exact problem ? |
| 00:22.54 | bvs | wow, someone did something nasty with libasound2 |
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| 00:23.58 | kapal | i think it is sth to do with pam... i have't looked at it for some time, but i finished with login accounts managed by ldap, and ssh not |
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| 00:24.20 | chealer | xzgv: why would there be a bug? |
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| 00:24.45 | xzgv | chealer: because it's not working like it's supposed to be |
| 00:24.54 | interbird | kapal: do you have sizelimit -1 in /etc/ldap/slapd.conf -- if not, lengthy queries will fail |
| 00:25.02 | kapal | interbird: but now it wasnt my question it was Lupo's i suppose |
| 00:25.17 | xzgv | chealer, do you have a solution? |
| 00:25.28 | kapal | interbird: what does this have to do with ssh? |
| 00:25.37 | interbird | kapal: oops.. sorry |
| 00:26.02 | chealer | xzgv: to have opera as an alternative? probably. try man update-alternatives |
| 00:26.05 | interbird | kapal: ssh ? |
| 00:26.17 | Lupo | interbird: did you install ldap with apache? |
| 00:26.42 | xzgv | chealer, i already did, and tried a couple of ways, no dice |
| 00:27.05 | interbird | Lupo: No, with Samba |
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| 00:27.06 | dhuv | hello all |
| 00:27.10 | chealer | xzgv: how did you try adding the alternative? |
| 00:27.36 | dhuv | I was wondering what the rest of you use to disconnect/reconnect remote X apps, similar to screen |
| 00:27.43 | Phated | xzgv: Why not just do the symlink manually? |
| 00:27.48 | Lupo | interbird: thanks |
| 00:28.02 | kapal | interbird: if i change auth data for login via ldap it works fine, but if i do the same thing wiht ssh accounts it doesnt synchronize, or mayby im missing something |
| 00:29.15 | interbird | Lupo: Did you make ssh ldap aware by adjusting /etc/pam.d/ssh ? |
| 00:29.35 | adrakoa | bye |
| 00:29.51 | xzgv | chealer, no, i did not see any 'alternative', i tried 'set' |
| 00:30.05 | kapal | interbird: i suppose that this question was for me this time :) |
| 00:30.13 | kapal | but yes i did |
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| 00:30.27 | xzgv | Phated: is that the option in which you put the path? /usr/bin/opera? tried that too |
| 00:30.47 | Phated | xzgv: I meant manually changing the symlink in /etc/alternatives/. |
| 00:31.31 | interbird | kapal: I must be having read-errors :-) |
| 00:32.34 | xzgv | Phated, no i haven't done that, once there i find an empty file, what do i have to type? |
| 00:32.48 | Phated | xzgv: It's a symlink. Change the symlink. |
| 00:32.58 | kapal | interbird: i guess i installed libpam-ssh |
| 00:33.01 | Phated | man ln, if you must. |
| 00:33.23 | xzgv | yeah, i know nothing of symlinks, thx |
| 00:33.49 | Phated | WTF, best not do it then, I'd rather not be responsible for x-www-browser being fucked on your system. |
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| 00:34.03 | chealer | xzgv: --set won't work if the alternative you wan't isn't installed |
| 00:34.18 | Phated | chealer: Or not installed with apt. |
| 00:34.26 | interbird | kapal: What are you trying to achive ? -- Please elaborate a bit more |
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| 00:35.26 | chealer | Phated: however you install, it needs to install an alternative to let you choose with config or set |
| 00:35.35 | xzgv | thx chealer & Phated |
| 00:35.36 | interbird | For LDAP, put a "sizelimit -1" in /etc/ldap/slapd.conf -- if not, lengthy queries can fail |
| 00:35.53 | Phated | chealer: Opera doesn't, apparently. |
| 00:35.54 | shogunx | Gnea amazing. it built fine on alpha... wants nothing to do with x86, no matter the autoconf. |
| 00:36.06 | chealer | Phated: not a big surprise :S |
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| 00:37.06 | Phated | If an install consists of copying a binary to /usr/bin/ and documentation to /usr/share/man/, I really don't expect it to do things like alternatives correctly ;) |
| 00:37.06 | shogunx | Gnea, btw, that was 2.59a-3, not -9. |
| 00:37.34 | kapal | interbird: dont understand it really but ill try |
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| 00:37.51 | emesa | hi |
| 00:38.37 | emesa | I've managed to share my linux-connected printers with my windows computer such that the windows computer can see them |
| 00:38.42 | emesa | and I was able to add the printers |
| 00:38.47 | chealer | Phated: well, correctly is a bit exagerated. I don't consider that a bug |
| 00:38.47 | emesa | however, I cannot print to them |
| 00:38.49 | interbird | kapal: Don't understand what ? |
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| 00:39.19 | kapal | interbird: this sizelimit -1 option, but im googling for it |
| 00:39.38 | Phated | chealer: Me neither - which is why I suggested doing the symlink manually instead of filing a bug ;) |
| 00:40.00 | emesa | I'm apparently doing something well since they are showing up....but does anyone know what I can do to make them print? |
| 00:40.43 | chealer | Phated: yeah, manually symlinking manually looks like what he wanted |
| 00:40.46 | datrus | does anybody know if /etc/login.defs is still being used? or is it completely replaced by pam? |
| 00:40.55 | interbird | kapal: That's to prevent big ldap queries from timing-out and just giving partial results |
| 00:40.57 | chealer | (manually) |
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| 00:41.10 | emesa | and my other linux computers can print off of them |
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| 00:41.25 | Phated | chealer: Pretty much. |
| 00:41.31 | kapal | interbird: i see it now man 5 slapd.conf did the trick |
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| 00:42.09 | emesa | is there something I need to do - perhaps add the windows usernames somewhere? |
| 00:42.22 | kapal | interbird: but i still dont understand how it prevented ssh from authorising via ldap, i guess sth else is wrong |
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| 00:44.04 | interbird | kapal: Does ssh know it must use ldap ? -- /etc/pam.d/ssh |
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| 00:45.26 | kapal | interbird /etc/pam.d/ssh: auth required pam_env.so |
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| 00:47.38 | kapal | interbird: and so on... thanks for help but im quite tired now, be going now... |
| 00:47.47 | interbird | kapal: Bye |
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| 00:50.10 | Rockj | how can I grep for multiple keywords from a textfile. I though it could be done something like this, but it dident work: cat textfile.txt | grep keyword keyword2 keyword3 would return lines with those keywords in it. |
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| 00:52.53 | chealer | Rockj: separating keywords with spaces like that will make each one a different argument. grep only looks for a pattern in the first argument, so that won't work. you want lines with each of those keywords? |
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| 00:53.10 | Rockj | chealer: yes. |
| 00:54.12 | chealer | Rockj: $ grep keyword1 textfile.txt|grep keyword2; will start the job. you can go on like that for each word, as a simple way |
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| 00:56.45 | Rockj | hum, maybe I confused you abit. I wanted it to return the lines like: cat textfile.txt | grep keyword1 , cat textfile.txt | grep keyword2 but only need for opening the file once.. |
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| 00:58.16 | karma | Okay so what exactly needs to be changed in my sources.list (I'm running etch) for "apt-get -t unstable foo" to work? |
| 00:58.31 | chealer | !tell karma about esm |
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| 01:00.09 | tuv | what would i miss if i don't have hal installed? |
| 01:00.24 | InfraRed | hi all, is there a default location for putting the rules for iptables? and how do i make it load on startup ? |
| 01:00.42 | tuv | and should i install it explicitly or leave until a dependant package installs it? |
| 01:00.46 | spanglesontoast | erm |
| 01:00.47 | chealer | Rockj: first, "cat foo|grep bar" is the worst usage of grep you can do. use "grep bar foo" instead. |
| 01:00.57 | spanglesontoast | how do I check to see what version of x I'm using? |
| 01:01.15 | InfraRed | spanglesontoast: most of the time 'package -v' works |
| 01:01.15 | CompWizrd | rockj: does the -f file option do what you want? |
| 01:01.19 | InfraRed | or -V |
| 01:01.20 | chealer | tuv: you can check its description or the description of its dependants |
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| 01:01.36 | InfraRed | spanglesontoast: or 'dpkg -l | grep package' |
| 01:01.43 | thingfish | spanglesontoast: dpkg -s xserver-xfree86(xorg) |
| 01:01.45 | karma | chealer: I type this in exactly: "echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf"? |
| 01:01.46 | spanglesontoast | I mean't running at this time |
| 01:01.50 | tuv | chealer, i did.. |
| 01:01.58 | tuv | chealer, yet i'm asking |
| 01:02.01 | Rockj | chealer: oh, ok. |
| 01:02.06 | chealer | karma: yes, as root |
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| 01:02.09 | Rockj | CompWizrd: doing some testing |
| 01:02.13 | InfraRed | so |
| 01:02.24 | karma | Or just add "APT::Default-Release "testing"" to that file? |
| 01:02.26 | InfraRed | nobody here using iptables? :P |
| 01:02.47 | CompWizrd | looks like it does |
| 01:02.56 | chealer | karma: it should do the same (except for the missing ";") |
| 01:03.18 | CompWizrd | should be able to grep -f listofgrepterms yourfile |
| 01:03.21 | karma | chealer: If I add that to the file, than should my sources in sources.list be configured to look in "testing" rather than "etch"? |
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| 01:04.05 | chealer | karma: no, they're equivalent until etch is released |
| 01:04.51 | ic3man05 | is there a planned release date for etch or is it when ever? |
| 01:04.59 | chealer | !tell ic3man05 about wwer |
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| 01:05.44 | InfraRed | !tell InfraRed about wwer |
| 01:05.55 | chealer | !tell InfraRed about selftell |
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| 01:06.29 | Rockj | CompWizrd: mhm, the -f option did it. But that requires me to save the keywords in a textfile. |
| 01:06.37 | InfraRed | thanks |
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| 01:08.01 | CompWizrd | wonder if something sneaky with -f - would work |
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| 01:08.30 | obscurant | !selftell wwer |
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| 01:09.30 | obscurant | !tell obscurant about wwer |
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| 01:10.01 | ic3man05 | whats the reason for freezing the kernel version, isn't the latest stable usually the best to mantain? |
| 01:10.07 | chealer | !tell obscurant about selftell |
| 01:10.45 | chealer | ic3man05: yes, but it's not necessarily the best to ship if it's not tested |
| 01:11.30 | p01n7 | Am I missing something? I uncomment the commented out script section in ~/.bash_profile that adds ~/bin to my Path during bash start, but echo $PATH tells me it isn't working. |
| 01:11.39 | ic3man05 | chealer: true but freezing for etch means it won't change at all? Sorry if this is normal for debian I just switch a few weeks ago |
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| 01:12.04 | chealer | ic3man05: right, when it freezes, it doesn't change |
| 01:12.13 | ic3man05 | not even patches? |
| 01:12.23 | chealer | it can have security patches and minor changes |
| 01:12.32 | ic3man05 | kernel patches essentially bring it to a new version right? |
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| 01:12.54 | chealer | ic3man05: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 01:13.03 | ic3man05 | well like on kernel.org |
| 01:13.25 | ic3man05 | the patches are meant to bring your current source to what they consider the latest stable |
| 01:13.39 | ic3man05 | 2.6.15 to 2.6.16 for example |
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| 01:14.10 | chealer | ic3man05: hum...yes, that kind of kernel patches brings to a new version...it's their purpose |
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| 01:14.28 | ic3man05 | so I take it Debian doesn't do that once its frozen? |
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| 01:16.10 | chealer | ic3man05: no, it may take 2.6.x.y patches if the "major" version freezed on is still maintained and the patch is entirely relevant |
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| 01:18.49 | p01n7 | K, thanks for the help all. |
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| 01:18.56 | ic3man05 | ok I think I understand |
| 01:21.39 | ic3man05 | I recently installed ut2004 and get low fps and wish to increase it, are there any out of game tweaks I can do? |
| 01:21.52 | ic3man05 | I have an nvidia card 6600GT |
| 01:22.05 | ic3man05 | nForce 2 chipset w/ 3200+ amd |
| 01:22.22 | ic3man05 | debian etch |
| 01:23.03 | ic3man05 | overclocking didn't seem to help as I believe my cpu is the bottleneck |
| 01:23.40 | dondelelcaro | ic3man05: uh... what is a low fps? |
| 01:23.52 | ic3man05 | 17fps on heavy areas |
| 01:23.59 | ic3man05 | I believe it should be higher |
| 01:24.02 | ic3man05 | at least like 30fps |
| 01:24.05 | ic3man05 | I can deal with that |
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| 01:24.19 | emesa | I can share my linux-connected printers with other linux computers and win computers can connect to them, but not print |
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| 01:28.12 | spanglesontoast | is there any way of seeing where a deb whacks it's files to? |
| 01:28.16 | ic3man05 | is there anything else besides mprime (prime95 for windows) to stress cpu |
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| 01:29.31 | charzero | "whacks" it's files? |
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| 01:29.38 | spanglesontoast | extracts |
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| 01:30.07 | charzero | dpkg --contents ? |
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| 01:30.21 | chealer | ic3man05: cpuburn? |
| 01:30.57 | anywavedave | okay been hacking at the floppy no floppy issue all day. I got it to work once, then rebooted, now I get message that mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist. It existed 2 minutes ago before I rebooted! |
| 01:31.19 | SerajewelKS | is there some program that will suspend the state of a process to disk and let me restore it later? |
| 01:31.32 | anywavedave | I'm using the same floppy with the same file on it. |
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| 01:31.52 | datrus | can anyone please tell me what is the preferred imap server (courier,dovecot,etc.)? |
| 01:31.57 | obscurant | downgrading not possible with apt-get? so if i was unstable and want to go back to stable...i have to reinstall? |
| 01:32.10 | pollywog | do I need the cups-pdf package in order to print PDF's ? I don't recall ever needing this package before. |
| 01:32.13 | SerajewelKS | obscurant: yes |
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| 01:32.22 | charzero | anywavedave: maybe a dumb question, but did you modprobe floppy? |
| 01:32.25 | SerajewelKS | anywavedave: what does 'ls -l /dev/fd0' say |
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| 01:32.33 | dvs | obscurant: yup |
| 01:32.38 | acronos | I am trying to configure my firewall. I am new to linux. I am running debian 3.1 with fairly generic install. I don't understand why my install has both ipchains and iptables installed. I can't find a program to work with the system so I am considering guarddog. Is this a good choice? |
| 01:32.44 | chealer | pollywog: no |
| 01:32.52 | SerajewelKS | acronos: iptables is fine |
| 01:33.06 | pollywog | and which gimp print driver package is best if I have an HP printer? |
| 01:33.11 | dvs | pollywog: cups-pdf will CREATE PDF files |
| 01:33.19 | pollywog | dvs: thanks |
| 01:33.50 | anywavedave | I've been reading every page I could find on mounting drives, floppies in particular. One interesting accident, I got my usb flash memory stick reader working by putting the wrong device name in. Thank God for happy accidents! |
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| 01:34.09 | anywavedave | SerajewelKS, No such file or directory |
| 01:34.27 | acronos | Serajewlks: How can I see what is currently configured using iptables. I don't understand the documentation. |
| 01:34.40 | pollywog | iptables -L ? |
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| 01:35.10 | acronos | Pollywog, thanks. it wal the ? i was missing |
| 01:35.24 | anywavedave | charzero, modprobe? I'm totally noob, just winging it by using whatever documentation I can find and IRC help! |
| 01:35.28 | hanasaki | why does debian link /etc/motd to /var/run/motd ? |
| 01:36.04 | acronos | pollywog, I get the message - iptables: Table does not exist (do you need to ismod?) |
| 01:36.08 | azeem | anywavedave: run `modprobe floppy' as root |
| 01:36.16 | dvs | !insmod |
| 01:36.17 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
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| 01:36.52 | pollywog | acronos: what dpkg said :) |
| 01:37.12 | acronos | I'm researching modprobe now. thanks |
| 01:37.34 | anywavedave | azeem, typed modprobe floppy in and no visible result just returned to prompt |
| 01:37.44 | azeem | anywavedave: is /dev/fd0 there now? |
| 01:37.47 | dvs | anywavedave: that's good |
| 01:37.57 | acronos | Yikes!!! kernel modification? |
| 01:38.11 | azeem | acronos: chill |
| 01:38.22 | acronos | chillin |
| 01:38.40 | azeem | modprobe is the regular way to extend your kernel's capabilities with the available modules |
| 01:38.46 | Gnea | hanasaki: technically, /etc/motd is runtime variable data. take a look at /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 01:38.57 | anywavedave | azeem, yes the floppy opened and files showed! Thanks! How do I get it to be there next time I boot? |
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| 01:39.13 | acronos | How do I determine what modules are availble for what i need which is firewall. |
| 01:39.27 | azeem | anywavedave: echo "floppy" >> /etc/modules |
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| 01:39.38 | Gnea | acronos: what kernel are you using? |
| 01:39.55 | acronos | I installed knetfilter and it asks for ip_conntrack and ipt_conntrack modules loaded in kernel |
| 01:40.19 | Gnea | acronos: cat /proc/version |
| 01:40.29 | hanasaki | Gnea: i seem to have some debian boxes where it is linked.. and some not |
| 01:40.37 | acronos | using kernal 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 01:40.38 | anywavedave | azeem, am i to type that now "echo "floppy" >> /etc/modules |
| 01:40.45 | Gnea | hanasaki: it's probably a new thing |
| 01:40.49 | azeem | anywavedave: yes, as root |
| 01:41.03 | azeem | anywavedave: or edit /etc/modules and put `floppy' in the last line |
| 01:41.11 | pollywog | acronos: If you upgrade to 2.6 iptables is easier to use |
| 01:41.22 | pollywog | to a 2.6 kernel |
| 01:41.23 | hanasaki | hmm k |
| 01:41.24 | hanasaki | thanks |
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| 01:41.34 | Gnea | acronos: check out /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/net/netfilter/ |
| 01:41.39 | hanasaki | anyone know when debian will have sun java in its repository? |
| 01:41.44 | hanasaki | and when 1.6 will come in? |
| 01:41.46 | hanasaki | mustang |
| 01:41.49 | azeem | hanasaki: it is in unstable/non-free |
| 01:41.51 | Gnea | !tell hanasaki about java |
| 01:41.52 | acronos | upgrading kernel does not sound easy. |
| 01:41.53 | anywavedave | azeem, cool will add to modules through nano /etc/modules right? |
| 01:41.57 | pollywog | I don't even remember how I handled iptables in 2.4 kernels but it was more complicated |
| 01:42.00 | azeem | anywavedave: yes |
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| 01:42.32 | Gnea | iptables is much easier to deal with in 2.6 |
| 01:42.38 | habib | Hello! |
| 01:42.46 | hanasaki | azeem: thanks |
| 01:42.57 | habib | I'm having some troubles to change my resolution |
| 01:43.03 | azeem | acronos: you don't need to upgrade, just install both and choose at boot time |
| 01:43.11 | habib | it stay at 640x480.. anyone can help me pelase? |
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| 01:44.05 | acronos | Gnea: that directory does not exist for me. |
| 01:44.08 | anywavedave | all right will try Thanks! |
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| 01:44.37 | Gnea | acronos: cd /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386 && find . -name "netfilter" |
| 01:45.06 | acronos | cd /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386 && find . -name "netfilter" |
| 01:45.10 | acronos | oops |
| 01:45.14 | Gnea | heh |
| 01:45.37 | anywavedave | entered floppy at endd of list in /etc/modules control O'd and enter Hopefully it works. If not saved the text of all the other suggestions. Hopefully, you won't see me here again with the floppy issue! |
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| 01:46.39 | anywavedave | Much love! |
| 01:47.30 | acronos | Gnea: I found that directory. Looks like a lot of files used for setup. Am I correct? |
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| 01:47.46 | Gnea | acronos: those are all kernel modules for iptables |
| 01:47.57 | Gnea | acronos: a bunch of .o files, right? |
| 01:47.58 | acronos | ohhh |
| 01:48.02 | acronos | yes |
| 01:48.05 | Gnea | good. |
| 01:48.28 | Gnea | if iptables isn't autoloading them (check with lsmod) you may need to modprobe some of them for functionality |
| 01:48.29 | ic3man05 | \help |
| 01:48.29 | acronos | There are the two files knetfilter was asking for |
| 01:48.42 | Gnea | see if they're there |
| 01:49.08 | acronos | How do I check? |
| 01:49.22 | Gnea | get knetfilter to ask for the files again, and check the list |
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| 01:50.12 | acronos | They are there. |
| 01:50.28 | acronos | ip_contrack and ipt_conntrack |
| 01:50.52 | Gnea | ok, now: lsmod | grep conntrack |
| 01:50.57 | Gnea | any results? |
| 01:51.47 | abrotman | twelve |
| 01:51.56 | Gnea | lol |
| 01:52.05 | acronos | Ismod: command not found. tried in sbin. where is ismod? |
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| 01:52.13 | Gnea | acronos: try as root |
| 01:52.26 | acronos | I am root |
| 01:52.38 | Gnea | lsmod |
| 01:52.39 | Gnea | L |
| 01:52.40 | Gnea | not I |
| 01:52.41 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:52.51 | acronos | heh |
| 01:53.03 | Gnea | lsmod - LiSt MODulres |
| 01:53.09 | Gnea | lsmod - LiSt MODules |
| 01:53.45 | acronos | worked |
| 01:53.49 | redphoenix1 | how can i pair my bluetooth keyboard |
| 01:53.53 | redphoenix1 | so it starts up at boot |
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| 01:54.05 | Gnea | acronos: any results? |
| 01:54.10 | acronos | Those modules aren't there |
| 01:54.30 | Gnea | ok, then: modprobe ip_conntrack && modprobe ipt_conntrack |
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| 01:55.30 | anywavedave | azeem, big ups to you man! That fixed my floppy problem! Check out http://glassplanks.com/ewe_rock2.JPG |
| 01:55.53 | acronos | They are there now. |
| 01:55.58 | lunitik | What exactly is the DiffIndex? Just a diff of the archive so you download less? When was this implemented? |
| 01:56.29 | acronos | Knetfilter works without an error message now |
| 01:56.48 | acronos | Will they still be there when I reboot? |
| 01:56.49 | Gnea | there ya go |
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| 01:57.14 | anywavedave | Gotta remember those modules! |
| 01:57.18 | abrotman | lunitik: pdiff |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | !pdiff |
| 01:57.20 | dpkg | hmm... pdiff is http://www.tribulaciones.org/blog/computers/debian/apt-pdiff-support_13-05-2006 |
| 01:57.31 | anywavedave | Later! |
| 01:57.44 | Gnea | acronos: you should install and boot into a 2.6 kernel in order for automatic module loading to increase its efficiency, otherwise you'll need to load those modules all the time |
| 01:57.57 | Gnea | acronos: but you can put them in /etc/modules for boottime load |
| 01:58.25 | acronos | Can you point me to instructions for installing a 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:58.33 | Gnea | sure can |
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| 01:58.57 | Gnea | !2.4->2.6 |
| 01:58.58 | dpkg | 2.4->2.6 is probably easy - just "apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6" (linux-image in etch and sid, use your favorite apt front-end) and install the relevant package for your CPU(s). |
| 01:59.15 | Supaplex | did the mhonarc archiver for the list archives die? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/05/thrd6.html hasn't been updated since 09:44 GMT today. |
| 01:59.41 | Gnea | Supaplex: NAFAIK, it probably just hasn't reached the next cron |
| 01:59.51 | Supaplex | that factoid should also include the needed support modules etc for 2.6 |
| 01:59.52 | killown | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:00.04 | abrotman | not autocad .. but there are CAD programs |
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| 02:00.17 | Supaplex | Gnea: I though it ran every 20 minutes, and this was hours ago. |
| 02:00.24 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 02:00.25 | killown | abrotman which ? |
| 02:00.32 | jetscreamer | killown: apt-cache search cad |
| 02:00.33 | Gnea | Supaplex: give it another hour and see what happens |
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| 02:00.46 | abrotman | killown: apt-cache search CAD .. or look at freshmeat.net |
| 02:00.47 | jetscreamer | killown: there are others available also, but not in sources |
| 02:00.57 | killown | ok thanks |
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| 02:01.16 | jetscreamer | qcad is the name of one in sources |
| 02:01.25 | abrotman | qcad is in etch |
| 02:01.34 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 02:01.40 | jetscreamer | it's in sid too |
| 02:01.42 | acronos | I found "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386" Is this likely what I want? |
| 02:01.44 | abrotman | !info qcad sarge |
| 02:01.45 | jetscreamer | used to be in sarge |
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| 02:01.52 | dpkg | qcad: (A professional CAD System), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.0.4.0-1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 2979 kB, Installed size: 12852 kB |
| 02:01.56 | jetscreamer | and stil is |
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| 02:02.45 | atp | hey folks, i'd like a recommendation on an mta. i have a smallish laptop and my needs are pretty basic. lightweight would be best, so sendmail is out. should i use exim3 or exim4? any other mail client more appropriate? i'd appreciate some pointers. |
| 02:03.00 | jetscreamer | !info littlewizard |
| 02:03.05 | dvs | atp: exim4 is the default |
| 02:03.06 | dpkg | littlewizard: (development environment for children), section games, is optional. Version: 1.1.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
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| 02:03.09 | jetscreamer | exim3 is deprecated |
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| 02:03.35 | jetscreamer | i actually thought exim3 was lighter though |
| 02:03.38 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 02:03.49 | atp | dvs, jetscreamer: ah, i guess i must have missed that development, i've been living in the bush recently. so just go with the default then? |
| 02:04.06 | jetscreamer | i do but i don't use it for anything |
| 02:04.12 | jetscreamer | so i can't say 'use exim' |
| 02:04.16 | dvs | atp: I would until there's a compeling reason not to |
| 02:04.45 | atp | jetscreamer, dvs: fair enough. i'd come to the same conclusion myself but i wanted to run it by the experts first as i don't know much about the various mtas out there. |
| 02:04.57 | atp | dvs, jetscreamer: thanks for your help :p |
| 02:06.22 | acronos | I am uncertain whether to use "kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386" or "kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386. Can anyone tell me the difference? |
| 02:06.47 | dvs | acronos: kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 is newer |
| 02:07.46 | acronos | Or "kernel-image-2.6-368" says it always gets the newest version. Will this load 2.6.8-3 and keep me up to date? |
| 02:07.54 | dvs | acronos: yup |
| 02:07.57 | acronos | k |
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| 02:08.24 | triavox | heya astronut |
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| 02:09.16 | triavox | anyone alive? |
| 02:09.30 | dvs | no |
| 02:09.39 | triavox | cool i can talk to dead people :) |
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| 02:09.52 | predius_ | how can I unpack a .cpkg? |
| 02:09.56 | acronos | What will break when I use the 2.6 kernel? Why don't they use it all the time? |
| 02:09.59 | dvs | tralala: Hi John Smith |
| 02:11.36 | acronos | Says it successfully installed. I need to reboot right? |
| 02:11.42 | dvs | yup |
| 02:11.51 | acronos | k, see ya |
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| 02:12.08 | JoelR | Hello i have a problem, i tried a dist-upgrade like 5 days ago, but something went wrong and now when i tried to do the dist-upgrade it gives me the following error: http://201.243.224.157/apache2-default/log.txt? |
| 02:12.58 | mage | wow, not english |
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| 02:16.11 | jetscreamer | JoelR: did you ask in #debian-es or -br? |
| 02:16.16 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 02:16.17 | dpkg | [fix-unmet] run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
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| 02:20.43 | Zweideutig | How do I change which user X is running as? |
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| 02:21.21 | dondelelcaro | Zweideutig: X always runs as root |
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| 02:21.49 | StriderZ | why isn't module-assistant installing the latest version available for ndiswrapper? Am I missing something? |
| 02:22.20 | Zweideutig | If an X session is running from user_a (user_a logged in with gdm or xdm)), how do I change to user_b? |
| 02:22.59 | zzer | ctrl+alt+backspace :) |
| 02:23.05 | StriderZ | that's just not nice |
| 02:23.24 | StriderZ | Zweideutig: I think you would need gdm/xdm running on multiple terminals |
| 02:23.39 | Zweideutig | zzer: Without killing the session. |
| 02:23.56 | StriderZ | Zweideutig: then you could switch between the two with ctrl+alt+F? |
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| 02:24.22 | predius_ | is there another way to install the nvidia-glx-legacy packages in unstable? |
| 02:24.33 | predius_ | depend on xserver-common |
| 02:24.44 | sussudio_ | predius_: nvidia hates you. |
| 02:24.48 | predius_ | they do. |
| 02:24.50 | predius_ | so very much. |
| 02:24.51 | sussudio_ | and me |
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| 02:24.58 | sussudio_ | i hate them back. |
| 02:25.43 | predius_ | i get video working, but no 3d |
| 02:25.51 | sussudio_ | uh huh. |
| 02:26.05 | sussudio_ | nv works, but the other one doesn't. |
| 02:26.21 | StriderZ | What's the debian/rules option to build a modules package? |
| 02:26.33 | sussudio_ | i believe there's a dedicated debian-nvidia channel. |
| 02:26.42 | predius_ | i had to recompile my kernel back to .15, and download the sources for glx to compile. |
| 02:27.03 | acronos | Sorry to keep bothering you guys. I'm now running kernel 2.6.8-3-386 . It is still asking for those modules. How do I make them run at boot time? |
| 02:27.18 | StriderZ | acronos: /etc/modules? |
| 02:27.23 | sussudio_ | my radeon worked fine 3D without binary shit. |
| 02:27.23 | predius_ | acronos: /etc/modue |
| 02:27.25 | predius_ | acronos: /etc/module |
| 02:27.27 | predius_ | s |
| 02:27.28 | Zweideutig | Too bad there isn't a dedicatd debian-herecules channel. |
| 02:27.42 | dondelelcaro | Zweideutig: you su to the user and run wahteve ryou want to run |
| 02:27.45 | sussudio_ | hercules still makes video cards? |
| 02:27.58 | sussudio_ | don't they just stamp radeons as hercules now? |
| 02:28.02 | tuv | apcupsd cannot start (ups connected via usb) and returns: apcupsd FATAL ERROR in linux-usb.c at line 649 Cannot find UPS device |
| 02:28.12 | sussudio_ | tuv: and? |
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| 02:28.30 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 02:28.33 | Zweideutig | Maybe I could su to the other user then run the window manager (and kill the previous instance) |
| 02:29.04 | sussudio_ | tuv: have you read through the config file? what APC UPS are you using? |
| 02:29.10 | tuv | sussudio_, and i don't have /sys/bus/usb/drivers/hiddev (my understanding is that this is needed for apcupsd via usb).. and i want to run apcupsd |
| 02:29.24 | RoundQube | I am working on getting the Intel 2915 wireless card to work on my debian system. Anyone familiar with setting it up? I've already completed the ieee80211 and ipw2200-source setups. I just can't figure out where to extract the firmware to. |
| 02:29.49 | tuv | sussudio_, i did and updated my /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf to suite my Back-UPS ES 350 |
| 02:29.56 | abrotman | i think it's /lib/firmware/ |
| 02:29.57 | RoundQube | I've read its /lib/firmware but i've placed it in there and my boot system continues to show errors (i'm trying to use v3.0 but apparently v2.4 is used somewhere) |
| 02:30.00 | sussudio_ | tuv: i have DEVICE /dev/usb/hid/hiddev0 |
| 02:30.03 | abrotman | RoundQube: should be in the readme |
| 02:30.16 | Zweideutig | Damn UPS failed during a power out |
| 02:30.21 | sussudio_ | tuv: your UPS will be in dmesg somewhere |
| 02:30.25 | tuv | sussudio_, i don't have /dev/usb |
| 02:30.26 | triavox | anyone know when astronut comes online? |
| 02:30.32 | abrotman | Zweideutig: when is the last time you replaced the battery? |
| 02:30.33 | Zweideutig | tuv: Recompile with USB |
| 02:30.35 | sussudio_ | tuv: tried lsusb? |
| 02:30.38 | RoundQube | abrotman: yes, it states to put in /lib/hotplug/firmware but I dont have hotplug folder nor do I have the option in the kernel to enable hotplugging |
| 02:30.38 | abrotman | triavox: he has no schedule |
| 02:30.43 | evilbulgarian | hi, does anyone have any good articles on load balancing wireless internet access points ? |
| 02:30.47 | tuv | sussudio_, i probably should mention that this is an arm platform (nslu2) |
| 02:30.48 | triavox | hmm. |
| 02:30.53 | triavox | random visits? damn |
| 02:30.53 | abrotman | RoundQube: just make the directory |
| 02:30.54 | sussudio_ | :-| |
| 02:30.58 | tuv | sussudio_, lsusb find the ups |
| 02:31.05 | Zweideutig | abrotman: Oh, I just hooked up some 12V lead acid tractor batteries for longer uptime. |
| 02:31.08 | tuv | sussudio_, Bus 002 Device 004: ID 051d:0002 American Power Conversion Back-UPS Pro 500/1000/1500 |
| 02:31.12 | sussudio_ | tuv: it shows the device name, doesn't it |
| 02:31.19 | sussudio_ | abrotman: nvidia hates us, don't they? |
| 02:31.30 | abrotman | sussudio_: i feel mutual towards them |
| 02:31.42 | sussudio_ | abrotman: i got that dual p3... it came with a gf2. |
| 02:31.54 | triavox | brb |
| 02:31.57 | abrotman | sussudio_: do you need DRI ? |
| 02:32.05 | sussudio_ | i want 3D opengl. nvidia doesn't want me to. |
| 02:32.09 | sussudio_ | abrotman: the nv module works fine, but no 3D. |
| 02:32.09 | RoundQube | abrotman: i can try that and see if it autoloads, brb |
| 02:32.15 | abrotman | sussudio_: isn't it a server? |
| 02:32.24 | tuv | sussudio_, i get this line in dmesg when i connect the usb cable: HID device not claimed by input or hiddev |
| 02:32.26 | Zweideutig | sussudio_: Why do you want it? |
| 02:32.30 | sussudio_ | abrotman: it is. doesn't mean i can't play bzflag on it. |
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| 02:32.50 | sussudio_ | Zweideutig: bzflag |
| 02:32.59 | abrotman | sussudio_: hehe |
| 02:33.00 | tuv | sussudio_, i don't see any device name in lsusb's output |
| 02:33.14 | sussudio_ | tuv: bus 2, device 4? |
| 02:33.27 | tuv | sussudio_, so.. what should i do next? |
| 02:33.38 | sussudio_ | tuv: one of the hiddev devices is it. |
| 02:33.40 | Zweideutig | I just use Intel integrated graphics. :) |
| 02:33.58 | sussudio_ | Zweideutig: this board doesn't have integrated graphics. or sound. |
| 02:34.06 | sussudio_ | it's a server board |
| 02:34.09 | Zweideutig | Onboard components ought to be enough for anyone. ;) |
| 02:34.10 | tuv | sussudio_, is hiddev a kernel module? i don't have /sys/bus/usb/drivers/hiddev? |
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| 02:34.28 | sussudio_ | tuv: i believe it is, yes |
| 02:34.41 | tuv | sussudio_, can't load it either |
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| 02:34.50 | RoundQube | abrotman: no luck, i get the folllowing message. Even though I have the latest versions of ieee80211, ipw2200-source and ipw-fw-3.0... |
| 02:35.00 | RoundQube | ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection |
| 02:35.00 | RoundQube | ipw2200: ipw-2.4-boot.fw load failed: Reason -2 |
| 02:35.00 | RoundQube | ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 |
| 02:35.00 | RoundQube | ipw2200: failed to register network device |
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| 02:35.10 | RoundQube | sorry, meant for that to be one line |
| 02:35.15 | abrotman | RoundQube: try to strace the modprobe |
| 02:35.18 | RoundQube | i apologize for that, i know the rules |
| 02:36.15 | tuv | sussudio_, i guess it's compiled into debian kernels.. not as a module |
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| 02:36.24 | RoundQube | Zweideutig: heh thanks |
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| 02:36.36 | RoundQube | I dont get an error when I run modprobe ipw2200, it loads just fine |
| 02:36.52 | RoundQube | but i can't see it working when i do iwconfig, it says no extensions for lo, eth0, sit0 |
| 02:36.56 | tuv | sussudio_, hmm.. hiddev is not compiled into my nslu2's kernel |
| 02:37.09 | sussudio_ | tuv: then compile it in? |
| 02:37.13 | RoundQube | eth0 is my wired lan though, i'd assume wlan0 or eth1 should be my wireless |
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| 02:38.31 | RoundQube | it is when i reboot that i get those firmware errors, like its trying to load 2.4 firmware even though my drivers show that i need v3.0. I've taken it all out of the kernel (old drivers that is) |
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| 02:39.02 | tuv | sussudio_, i was trying to avoid that.. will try to sort it out |
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| 02:41.59 | razor_edge | hi! I'm having problems installing runit in debian sarge, any one could help? |
| 02:43.55 | ^4nDr3s | hi can anyone tell me is debian sarge is compatible with mobile amd 64 proccesors? |
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| 02:44.40 | |ZEUGMA| | hello |
| 02:44.42 | |ZEUGMA| | i need your help |
| 02:44.44 | |ZEUGMA| | i have a debian sid system full of shit |
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| 02:44.54 | |ZEUGMA| | i have thousands of packages that i don-t need |
| 02:45.05 | |ZEUGMA| | i want to remove a lot but i don-t know if i-ll fuck the system |
| 02:45.24 | |ZEUGMA| | is it possible to reduce a system to a base system by comparing it to something else_ |
| 02:45.34 | razor_edge | ^4nDr3s: Sarge doesn't support AMD64... anyway... you can install debian sarge in your AMD64 but it is going to run in 32bits |
| 02:45.51 | |ZEUGMA| | i mean some script that does apt/get remove comparing my system to another debian base system |
| 02:45.58 | |ZEUGMA| | i want to remove all stuff that isn-t the base |
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| 02:46.12 | razor_edge | |ZEUGMA|: your shit was installed with apt-get? |
| 02:46.33 | ^4nDr3s | razor_edge: but will it work without any problem? |
| 02:46.50 | razor_edge | ^4nDr3s: it should! |
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| 02:47.15 | ^4nDr3s | razor_edge: and with the packages and programmes |
| 02:47.22 | CompWizrd | um, i'm using sarge with amd64... |
| 02:47.30 | CompWizrd | in 64 bit mode |
| 02:47.44 | CompWizrd | (as are a lot of other people) |
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| 02:48.07 | razor_edge | ^4nDr3s: yes! |
| 02:48.18 | razor_edge | CompWizrd: but your packages are i386 |
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| 02:48.23 | |ZEUGMA| | razor_edge: yes, i installed it with apt/get during many years |
| 02:48.25 | CompWizrd | no, my packages are amd64 |
| 02:48.32 | |ZEUGMA| | i want to remove all now and leave it a base stable system |
| 02:48.48 | |ZEUGMA| | is there some massive command i can do |
| 02:48.53 | cr3 | in firefox, is there a way to load my starting page automatically when opening a new tab? I don't find it particularly convenient to have a blank page |
| 02:48.54 | |ZEUGMA| | i have kpackage open now |
| 02:48.58 | ^4nDr3s | razor_edge: thnks very much |
| 02:49.04 | razor_edge | CompWizrd: but amd64 is not supported by debian sarge... look at debian.org |
| 02:49.13 | razor_edge | CompWizrd: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 02:49.29 | deano | cr3: you can do that with several extensions |
| 02:49.50 | deano | cr3: i believe you can do it with tab mix plus |
| 02:50.30 | CompWizrd | http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ is good enough for me :) |
| 02:50.53 | CompWizrd | The stable release of the unofficial port is based on unpatched Sarge sources and has full security support by the Debian Security Team. |
| 02:51.29 | |ZEUGMA| | razor_edge: yes |
| 02:52.22 | anywavedave | I got the floppy to mount. I can boot, put in a floppy and see its contents, edit a file and save it. Then if I go to save another file to it I get a message that drive a is still busy. No way, it can't be still busy trying to save a 3k text file 5 minutes later.n i reboot the machine and the file has been saved so evidently it finished what it was doing. Why then can't I save another file to it without the busy signal? Also if I d |
| 02:52.22 | anywavedave | file I cant see the old ones again until reboot. Do I have ghosts in my machine or what? |
| 02:52.24 | razor_edge | |ZEUGMA|: I recommend you uninstall all possible crap manually... you cant mess things up if you are carefull... just do an apt-get -s remove XXX before doing the real romeving to simulate what is going to happend... then you can see if what you are about to do is going to remove some important package |
| 02:52.33 | razor_edge | hi! I'm having problems installing runit in debian sarge, any one could help? |
| 02:52.37 | |ZEUGMA| | what is -s_ |
| 02:53.19 | |ZEUGMA| | no other way to do it manually |
| 02:53.29 | razor_edge | CompWizrd: I'm sorry you are right... some question... you notice a lot of difference in performance between running i386 and AMD64? |
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| 02:53.57 | razor_edge | |ZEUGMA|: -s is the flag to do a simulation... is shows what apt-get is going to... |
| 02:54.08 | sortadi | Vasistha: are you around? |
| 02:54.13 | |ZEUGMA| | i don-t want to lose time with this |
| 02:54.17 | anywavedave | It's not even like I'm going to use the floppy drive to sae anything I just want it to work because it's there! It's the principle of the thing now! |
| 02:54.20 | |ZEUGMA| | i want to wipe everything except the base system |
| 02:54.21 | sortadi | Vasistha: i am ready to hack the laptop! |
| 02:54.45 | dondelelcaro | |ZEUGMA|: so run aptitude, mark everything as automatically installed. |
| 02:55.00 | dondelelcaro | |ZEUGMA|: then select what you actually want installed, and then have aptitude do its thing. |
| 02:55.12 | |ZEUGMA| | sounds good |
| 02:55.20 | |ZEUGMA| | and would that be automatic removal_ |
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| 02:55.43 | Generic | anyone have a recommendation for video editing? |
| 02:55.53 | abrotman | cinerela? |
| 02:55.55 | sussudio_ | Generic: buy a mac? |
| 02:56.07 | Generic | cinerela only has an rpm package |
| 02:56.07 | sussudio_ | that's the only thing they're good for, right? |
| 02:56.09 | dondelelcaro | |ZEUGMA|: yes, if something that you've marked as automatically installed is no longer depended upon, it gets removed. |
| 02:56.19 | |ZEUGMA| | how do i mark as automatically installed_ |
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| 02:56.23 | Generic | sussudio_, you're assuming I have money |
| 02:56.26 | Generic | something I lack :( |
| 02:56.30 | sussudio_ | Generic: ebay? |
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| 02:56.36 | Generic | Ha |
| 02:56.43 | Generic | I barely have enough money to pay my bills |
| 02:56.55 | Generic | I have $1.25 to my name |
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| 02:57.11 | sussudio_ | ok, that's it. no video editing for you. |
| 02:57.21 | dondelelcaro | |ZEUGMA|: with M. man aptitude or run aptitude and hit ? |
| 02:57.49 | CompWizrd | razor_edge: dunno, it's bloody fast.. both my amd64 machines are dual opteron 265's |
| 02:57.52 | CompWizrd | so it's fast either way :) |
| 02:58.02 | Generic | I normally do it on my laptop, but I hate doing it on my laptop |
| 02:58.23 | |ZEUGMA| | ok |
| 02:58.26 | |ZEUGMA| | by the way |
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| 02:58.38 | razor_edge | CompWizrd: what i mean is... the same machine... running i386 and AMD64 is THAT different? |
| 02:58.44 | |ZEUGMA| | what exactly means, automatically installed |
| 02:58.48 | |ZEUGMA| | things that i didn-t select |
| 02:58.50 | |ZEUGMA| | or what |
| 02:58.54 | davidh | Hi, anyone can help with some question rebuild the image for debian? |
| 02:59.26 | anywavedave | I don't even know how to describe my problem or I'd goole it before coming here. i don't want 50,000,000 pages totally unrelated to my problem! |
| 02:59.26 | CompWizrd | ah, that i don't know.. i never got i386 on it, as the one system is a bit complex to play around with... and most of what it does it wouldn't matter what cpu is in it.. though gzip is supposed to be a LOT faster on amd64 than i386 :) |
| 02:59.57 | razor_edge | CompWizrd: thanks! |
| 02:59.57 | anywavedave | Oops that's google! Part of my problem is my lack of typing skills! |
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| 03:00.52 | CompWizrd | razor_edge: now that i think of it, i do have an athlon 3700+ running in amd64 as well.. did that because all the thing does is light samba serving for backups, and then gzip's the files later.. which the amd64 part was supposed to be helpful on |
| 03:00.58 | dondelelcaro | |ZEUGMA|: it's just a state in aptitude; it typically means packages that were installed because you selected something else to be installed, and were dependencies of that package. |
| 03:01.16 | |ZEUGMA| | i see |
| 03:01.22 | |ZEUGMA| | i entered aptitude |
| 03:01.26 | |ZEUGMA| | and i press control M now |
| 03:01.28 | anywavedave | azeem, you have any further advice about this crazy floppy drive? |
| 03:01.31 | |ZEUGMA| | it says i have 2500mb |
| 03:01.38 | |ZEUGMA| | how i select to remove those now_ |
| 03:02.24 | dondelelcaro | |ZEUGMA|: M not control-M |
| 03:02.36 | |ZEUGMA| | true |
| 03:02.37 | dondelelcaro | |ZEUGMA|: move the selection to the installed tab, and just press M |
| 03:02.38 | |ZEUGMA| | i did shit m |
| 03:02.55 | dondelelcaro | |ZEUGMA|: then press g to see the list of the packages that will be removed, then press g again |
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| 03:03.55 | |ZEUGMA| | ok |
| 03:03.56 | |ZEUGMA| | thx |
| 03:03.57 | |ZEUGMA| | i-ll try |
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| 03:05.19 | abrotman | when the park office gives you a map .. and it says "Trail Access" .. and uses p,q,r,s to denote access types .. it'd be nice if they said what they stood for ... |
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| 03:06.05 | cr3 | deano: thanks, tab mix did exactly what I wanted and much much more. nice suggestion |
| 03:06.21 | Generic | abrotman, there used to be a key. But then the park rangers watched Davinci Code |
| 03:06.27 | abrotman | not funny |
| 03:06.55 | Generic | just be glad they didn't watch Saw |
| 03:07.01 | goodone | can anyone recommend a video camera for videoconferencing? |
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| 03:07.36 | goodone | abrotman: p for people, q for queen, r for residents and s for asses. |
| 03:07.47 | abrotman | no |
| 03:08.26 | anywavedave | floppy issues again......... |
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| 03:08.44 | lunitik | anywavedave: out of viagra? |
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| 03:09.51 | anywavedave | lunitik, yeah that and my floppy drive is not functioning properly. |
| 03:10.01 | goodone | i recently found out that floppy is still needed when i want to upgrade my bios. |
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| 03:10.18 | deep1 | lol |
| 03:10.27 | deano | cr3: you're welcome, i like tab mix plus |
| 03:10.37 | anywavedave | lunitik, think you can help? |
| 03:10.37 | abrotman | that's just stupid |
| 03:10.45 | acronos | Ok, really dumb question. How do I perminently add my postgres/bin directory to my command prompt? |
| 03:10.46 | abrotman | not having a floppy drive i mean |
| 03:10.59 | abrotman | acronos: uhm .. how did you install pgsql? |
| 03:11.08 | lunitik | acronos: set PATH in your .bashrc |
| 03:11.20 | lunitik | acronos: just add it to the end of whats already there |
| 03:11.40 | goodone | abrotman: the industry not wanting to get rid of floppy is really stupid. |
| 03:12.03 | abrotman | goodone: they want to get rid of it .. i think it's a stupid idea |
| 03:12.11 | lunitik | abrotman: why? |
| 03:12.17 | lunitik | abrotman: CD's are cheaper |
| 03:12.25 | acronos | lunitik: do I have to do something with root or will the change in my user translate when I us 'su'? |
| 03:12.26 | abrotman | because CDs suck ? |
| 03:12.26 | goodone | and bigger capacity. |
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| 03:12.30 | abrotman | so do floppies |
| 03:12.41 | anywavedave | lunitik, with the floppy drive I mean |
| 03:12.43 | lunitik | abrotman: hardly worse than floppy drives |
| 03:12.48 | abrotman | lunitik: how do you install XP when XP doesn't know where your SATA drives are? |
| 03:12.49 | goodone | and faster. |
| 03:13.02 | lunitik | abrotman: I don't use XP |
| 03:13.17 | abrotman | somethings work best with floppy drives |
| 03:13.28 | abrotman | and i'm pretty sure i've had this argument with lunitik before .. so i'll not have it again |
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| 03:13.56 | lunitik | abrotman: negative... although its kinda a waste to argue about |
| 03:14.00 | goodone | abrotman: u know how to get your way around those parks now? |
| 03:14.05 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:14.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:14.14 | abrotman | is this AOL night? |
| 03:14.33 | Alam_Debian | how do i use wget thur a pipe? |
| 03:14.46 | goodone | abrotman: damn it, it is James not Jim. |
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| 03:14.57 | abrotman | Alam_Debian: huh ? |
| 03:15.39 | Alam_Debian | wget <imageurl> -O <what i think>| pngmeta <- something like this |
| 03:15.42 | goodone | abrotman: if u can accept Jim for James, y not u for 'you'? |
| 03:16.05 | anywavedave | I use XP! It works until some malicious hacker gets hold of it! That's why I'm trying to get everything working on Debian. I'm not quite ready to give up my Windows partition yet though as I can see I'll be using my swap partition between Linux and Windows just to get stuff on a floppy disc. |
| 03:16.44 | lunitik | anywavedave: thanks for sharing? |
| 03:16.50 | abrotman | Alam_Debian: wget <url> -O - | pngmeta ? |
| 03:16.59 | dli | anywavedave, why floppy? |
| 03:17.21 | lunitik | dli: we just had this discussion |
| 03:17.24 | anywavedave | dli, why floppy, because it's there. |
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| 03:18.38 | anywavedave | dli, I'm out of Viagra, so floppy! The whole problem was described about 3 pages back. |
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| 03:19.03 | lunitik | Hmm... wrt the irc.debian.org move... this channel will still be on freenode, correct? I have no need to use OFTC, I don't even know what it is :/ |
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| 03:19.40 | lunitik | I actually go to other channels on Freenode... getting on multiple servers is tedious |
| 03:20.38 | anywavedave | dli, Also if one drive can have this problem couldn't any? I might as well try to fix floppy and use solution as template to remedy similar events! |
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| 03:22.01 | anywavedave | I wish azeem was still around. He got me closest to the solution. I see his name but I think he just forgot to sign off or is lurking! |
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| 03:23.31 | fourat | i've started an apt-get install and cancelled it with 'ctrl-c', and since this, apt-get want to install my old-desired packages every time i want to install a new package, how to tell apt-get that i've cancelled that ? |
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| 03:25.04 | lunitik | fourat: only real way is 'apt-get -f install' then manually purge later... |
| 03:25.28 | fourat | how to manually purge ? |
| 03:25.41 | lunitik | fourat: apt-get remove --purge .... or dpkg -P |
| 03:25.59 | dli | fourat, I think you have to " apt-get -f install " first |
| 03:26.12 | lunitik | dli: I just said that |
| 03:26.42 | dli | lunitik, then, he is more convinced now |
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| 03:28.20 | acronos | If I want a path change to apply to all users do I put it in /etc/profile ? |
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| 03:29.32 | anywavedave | OK off to google IRC channels for device issues, Later Peeps! |
| 03:30.00 | Miesco | Where can I get a documentation on how to set up a samba printer server?? |
| 03:30.13 | fourat | i got soundcard working with alsaconf, now after an apt-get upgrade, sound card wont work, alsa got problems staring, |
| 03:30.22 | fourat | it says : ALSA lib control.c:816:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:0 |
| 03:30.31 | fourat | alsactl: set_controls:1088: snd_ctl_open error: No such file or directory |
| 03:31.03 | ansong | Miesco, on samba.org there's two full books on samba. either of them should have way more info than you need. |
| 03:31.04 | atp | hey folks, what does it mean when exim4 complains that an email address is an "unroutable address"? |
| 03:31.32 | Minerale | could someone help me fix this problem on sarge: "passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info." |
| 03:32.10 | Miesco | ansong: Okay thanks |
| 03:32.54 | Minerale | google has an overload on that error above (passwd) - one claimed fix says to change nsswitch entries "files nis" but that did not seem to fix it |
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| 03:33.38 | davidh | any kernel expert? |
| 03:34.02 | bvs | fourat, downgrade your libasound2 |
| 03:34.03 | hobophobe | With a lot of sound applications I'm getting this error: "symbol snd_pcm_hw_params_set_periods_near, version ALSA_0.9.0rc4 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference" |
| 03:34.08 | hobophobe | ah |
| 03:34.09 | davidh | for kernel compilation |
| 03:34.14 | hobophobe | you are psychic, bvs |
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| 03:34.33 | fourat | bvs, howto do a downgrade ? |
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| 03:34.48 | bvs | fourat, download an older version and install it :) |
| 03:35.08 | fourat | bvs, :) |
| 03:35.23 | bvs | http://snapshot.debian.net/package/libasound2 |
| 03:36.00 | hobophobe | There's also a newer version, would you suggest trying it first? |
| 03:36.49 | redphoenix1 | is there a command that replcaed wlanconf in debian? |
| 03:36.51 | Miesco | I deleted my smb.conf, how do I get it back?? |
| 03:36.54 | redphoenix1 | replaced * |
| 03:37.02 | redphoenix1 | ?? |
| 03:37.08 | redphoenix1 | i dont seem to have it |
| 03:37.35 | ansong | i've got a new(!) sound problem on my system. now, apparently, my dsp has disappeared. hey, it looks like fourat has got a similar issue. see http://pastebin.com/744110 |
| 03:37.56 | redphoenix1 | ansong, alot of people are getting that |
| 03:38.04 | redphoenix1 | just downgrade to the older libsound2 |
| 03:38.07 | dli | ansong, can you restart alsa ? |
| 03:38.13 | hobophobe | here's the libasound bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=369045 |
| 03:38.22 | bvs | get 1.0.11-4 works for me |
| 03:38.46 | hobophobe | did you try -6? |
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| 03:39.26 | fourat | ansong, all users that did an upgrade and got the "ii libasound2 1.0.11-6 ALSA library" version will have that problem |
| 03:39.26 | fourat | it's an issue |
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| 03:39.27 | ansong | redphoenix1, libsound2 just updated tonight didn't it? i had problems with the older one too |
| 03:39.27 | fourat | try using an older version, or wait the -7 |
| 03:39.39 | redphoenix1 | yea i dont know i put it on my hold list for now |
| 03:39.58 | fourat | ansong, u got the -7 version ? |
| 03:40.34 | ansong | dli, i've reloaded alsa, try again time? |
| 03:40.52 | ansong | fourat, aptitude shows 1.0.11-6 |
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| 03:41.31 | fourat | ansong, try downgrade to -5 |
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| 03:41.55 | ansong | fourat, thanks, i was just looking and noticed i've got the last 5 versions still cached |
| 03:42.27 | davidh | anyone can help my kernel recompilation queston? |
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| 03:42.45 | davidh | dli??? |
| 03:42.52 | fourat | ansong, wget http://incoming.debian.org/libasound2_1.0.11-7_i386.deb && dpkg -i libasound2_1.0.11-7_i386.deb |
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| 03:42.56 | davidh | dli: ??? |
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| 03:43.31 | ansong | fourat, trying now |
| 03:43.47 | dli | davidh, just ask |
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| 03:44.40 | kurumin | hh |
| 03:44.43 | davidh | I have just comiled 2.4.27 kernel under debian. Next how do I update the bootloader? |
| 03:44.45 | kurumin | bmm |
| 03:45.16 | davidh | I did not find the initrd*.img file |
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| 03:45.49 | Minerale | could someone help me -> I can add & delete users but I can't change password |
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| 03:46.46 | fourat | ansong, news ? |
| 03:46.49 | anywavedave | Anyone know of a good channel regarding devices like floppy drives, CD, zip, usb? I want to pose my questions in the proper forum. |
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| 03:46.59 | dli | davidh, do you need initrd? |
| 03:47.03 | ansong | whee! "it's not a habit. it's cool, i feel alive..." |
| 03:47.13 | dli | davidh, if so, " make-kpkg --initrd " |
| 03:47.49 | ansong | fourat, thanks, i've got another system with the same problem |
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| 03:48.20 | fourat | ansong, do u have scratchy sound ? |
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| 03:48.33 | davidh | dli: After compilation, only two files -- vmlinux and System.map; but menu.lst needs initrd*.img |
| 03:48.40 | ansong | fourat, honestly, with this song it's hard to tell. hand on |
| 03:48.46 | ansong | hand --> hang |
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| 03:49.51 | atp | hey folks, i'm having some trouble configuring exim4. it freezes all my messages and complains that my email address is an "unroutable address" in /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 03:50.01 | dli | !tell davidh about kernel-package |
| 03:50.04 | Miesco | How come I have to authenticate to use a printer from samba?? |
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| 03:50.31 | Gnea | Miesco: #samba |
| 03:50.41 | atp | when configuring exim4, i did the usual dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and set it up to receive and deliver mail as an SMTP server |
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| 03:50.54 | acronos | How do I add a path to the root user accessed throuth the terminal and 'su' ? |
| 03:51.05 | dak | why is #debian moving to oftc ? |
| 03:51.13 | atp | i have a dynamic ip, i set up /etc/email-addresses to do a reroute for my user, can anyone provide any hints? |
| 03:51.16 | fourat | oftc ? |
| 03:51.17 | Rez | dak: politics |
| 03:51.18 | acronos | The kde terminal |
| 03:51.23 | dak | :/ |
| 03:51.30 | ansong | fourat, beethoven sounds all right from here. granted this is a laptop, sound fidelity is not it's best suit |
| 03:51.32 | fourat | what is oftc |
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| 03:51.39 | Rez | irc.oftc.net |
| 03:51.40 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.42 | Gnea | !tell dak about oftc move |
| 03:51.52 | dak | gnea thanks but i know how to read topics |
| 03:51.59 | deep1 | lol |
| 03:52.03 | Gnea | dak: did you read the URL? |
| 03:52.07 | dak | 11:50 [msg(dpkg)] oftc move |
| 03:52.07 | Azar | davidh: I do not remember needing initrd on a 2.4.x kernel> If I recall correctly it only came out when I upgraded toa 2.6 kernel |
| 03:52.07 | dak | 11:50 [dpkg(n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] irc.debian.org is moving to OFTC on June 4th [see |
| 03:52.14 | dak | yeah i did |
| 03:52.18 | Gnea | okay. |
| 03:52.29 | dak | going to ask if i whased behind my ears too? |
| 03:52.48 | simonrvn | yes ;p |
| 03:52.48 | atp | dak, did you wash behind your ears? |
| 03:52.49 | ansong | well, did you whase? |
| 03:52.57 | dak | nope |
| 03:53.07 | Gnea | i suggest hydrogen peroxide ;) |
| 03:53.15 | atp | that's the proper geek response :) |
| 03:53.42 | ansong | fourat, thanks again. that was bugging me for a couple days now. |
| 03:53.57 | dak | just gay that #deb is moving cuz uh alot of projects have channels on this network |
| 03:54.21 | dak | but all the wiseass sob's in this chan i can see why |
| 03:54.22 | simonrvn | it's happy? |
| 03:54.23 | fourat | ansong, no problem, i was helped on this problem from #alsa |
| 03:54.27 | Azar | I do not think is moving |
| 03:54.33 | dak | simonrvn: no homosexual |
| 03:54.37 | Gnea | dak: i'm not sure of the entirety, but the basic gist is that #debian has become so detached from most every other distribution in terms of licensing agreements, plus the amount of based-on distributions has become a confusing factor to many users |
| 03:54.44 | Gnea | dak: you mean ghey |
| 03:54.47 | simonrvn | they said nothing about the channel moving |
| 03:54.50 | fourat | !oftc move |
| 03:54.50 | dpkg | irc.debian.org is moving to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network . Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 03:55.04 | Gnea | simonrvn: it's in the /topic, it's gonna happen |
| 03:55.16 | Azar | thanks fourat, wow so indeed it comes true |
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| 03:55.27 | dak | well you just said it, alot of distro's are based on debian now so wouldnt that make it more apart of the linux community more then every before? |
| 03:55.30 | simonrvn | my statement stands. it says irc.debian.org |
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| 03:55.40 | dak | gnea i await youre sarcastic respons |
| 03:56.13 | craigbass1976 | How would I update phpbb remotely on a web server box where I only have my regular user permissions? |
| 03:56.16 | hobophobe | the said debian will be both places for the future |
| 03:56.24 | Gnea | dak: freenode isn't strictly linux-only. |
| 03:56.40 | dak | and the fact that debian is what free like the kernel, that makes debian detached from other distros? |
| 03:56.45 | anywavedave | Too many distros of Linux. Need to concenterate on getting one to work without so many device and software issues! That's what seems to be the problem with Linux. Ask somebody how to do something in Linux and they say "What's Linux" or "Which version" |
| 03:56.48 | dak | yeah i know gnea thats whats good about it |
| 03:56.54 | dak | notice what i said? |
| 03:56.55 | dak | no |
| 03:57.03 | dak | 11:53 <dak> just gay that #deb is moving cuz uh alot of projects have channels on this network |
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| 03:57.15 | Azar | simonrvn: it was announced in some back debian news, but I thought it was just a suggestion.. |
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| 03:57.16 | Gnea | yeah, i saw that. |
| 03:57.19 | dak | i havent said distro once, so |
| 03:57.22 | Gnea | dak: please, don't put words in my mouth. |
| 03:57.34 | dak | its nice that u can be in #debian and say #nvidia on the same network |
| 03:57.36 | adamant1988 | What's the command to reconfigure Xfree86? |
| 03:57.38 | Miesco | I dont get it, I can get to /root with my samba server WITHOUT a password but not normal users..... |
| 03:57.59 | dak | gnea you're the one putting words in my mouth |
| 03:58.04 | dak | whatever |
| 03:58.10 | craigbass1976 | adamant1988, is it xorg.conf you're looking for in /etx/X11? |
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| 03:58.13 | Gnea | it's also nice that anyone can use screen and irssi to be on two or more networks at the same time |
| 03:58.24 | Gnea | dak: you asked, i answered. |
| 03:58.25 | abrotman | !drxx adamant1988 |
| 03:58.26 | dpkg | adamant1988: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:58.28 | adamant1988 | Uhm, I just know that my X is not setup correctly and I need to configure it by hand |
| 03:58.39 | dak | i woulda guessed you as a xchat user gnea |
| 03:58.50 | Gnea | i hate gui irc clients. |
| 03:58.58 | dak | atleast you got that right |
| 03:58.58 | Azar | ...... |
| 03:59.07 | Gnea | i got it right a decade ago :) |
| 03:59.18 | atp | i dunno, xchat's not too bad |
| 03:59.24 | dak | xchat is hell |
| 03:59.32 | adamant1988 | Ugh... looks like my install is botched again... it says that dpkg-reconfigure isn't a command |
| 03:59.41 | anywavedave | Can still use my floppy drive to boot from, that's all that matters! Nobody here cares what impression noobs get when they are ignored! No wonder there are still so many people using Microsoft products! |
| 03:59.45 | atp | if you chat in languages that use scripts other than roman, you appreciate what pango can do for you |
| 03:59.48 | Gnea | whatever floats your boat, i just find less leaks in mine with a text-based client |
| 03:59.50 | hobophobe | Gnea, well you could connect to IRC via telnet and type in even the USER A B C D NICK ABCD stuff on connect :o) |
| 04:00.16 | Gnea | hobophobe: what's the fun in that? ;) |
| 04:00.30 | hobophobe | privmsg #debian :well it would certainly make you feel like the purist |
| 04:00.46 | atp | running bitchx or similar in urxvt only goes half way... especially for annoying scripts that don't work well with the monospace meme, like arabic or any of the indic scripts |
| 04:00.50 | dak | wow gotta start showing the raw command skills |
| 04:01.11 | atp | i agree that featurewise xchat is pretty basic but there's nothing wrong in spirit with gui clients |
| 04:01.19 | anywavedave | It's kinda like surfing. You've got to pay your dues before you get tossed any good waves! I'll stick with Linux and just lurk for a while. |
| 04:01.21 | dak | gui sucks for irc |
| 04:01.24 | dak | hard to keep up with |
| 04:01.26 | Gnea | moving on |
| 04:01.28 | dak | windows and all |
| 04:01.57 | Azar | adamant1988: which operating system you use? |
| 04:02.03 | anywavedave | Sorry for all the whining, just had a moment of insight. |
| 04:02.11 | adamant1988 | I'm trying to install debian sarge on my laptop via net install |
| 04:02.20 | atp | well, neither of you addressed my points about non-roman scripts... of course irc sucks for non-english in general, because there's no language/encoding negotiation built into the protocol |
| 04:02.21 | adamant1988 | But on my desktop I use Suse/Windows |
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| 04:02.39 | Gnea | adamant1988: when does the error occur? after reboot? |
| 04:02.47 | adamant1988 | when it tries to start X |
| 04:02.48 | Alex24NJ | How come you're moving to OFTC? |
| 04:02.58 | abrotman | !oftc move |
| 04:02.58 | dpkg | irc.debian.org is moving to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network . Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 04:02.59 | Gnea | atp: i would've if i knew anything about it :) |
| 04:02.59 | abrotman | read |
| 04:03.00 | adamant1988 | it tries 3 times to boot X and then informs me that it can't start it |
| 04:03.01 | craigbass1976 | ANyone know how to update phpbb? I'm used to RH systems and am not familiar with debian commands. Do I jsut redownload the zip and reinstall? |
| 04:03.09 | hobophobe | sounds like an Xwindows problem. what's the errormessage adamant? |
| 04:03.10 | simonrvn | !tell omkar -about root |
| 04:03.17 | adamant1988 | Hobo... LONG |
| 04:03.17 | Gnea | adamant1988: then X wasn't setup properly |
| 04:03.28 | Gnea | !paster |
| 04:03.29 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
| 04:03.34 | Azar | adamant1988: are you trying to reinstall? |
| 04:03.39 | hobophobe | adamant, are most of the lines ** Errs or is the message just long? |
| 04:03.40 | deadcat | simonrvn: you still have slim ppc deb? |
| 04:03.45 | adamant1988 | Yeah, when I run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" I get told it's not a command |
| 04:03.53 | adamant1988 | and yeah, but I'm doing it as a fresh install each time |
| 04:03.55 | atp | gnea: i used to use bitchx pretty much exclusively and was forced to switch to xchat after moving to asia because of dismal chinese character support in the terminal irc clients... of course that's gotten much better now but in the meantime i've already moved |
| 04:04.01 | adamant1988 | complete reformat of the harddrive etc. |
| 04:04.04 | dli | adamant1988, are you root ? |
| 04:04.11 | simonrvn | o, i don't |
| 04:04.16 | simonrvn | fuck |
| 04:04.18 | Azar | adamant1988: if you will decide to reinstall, try installing with "linux26" maybe a 2.6 kernel will work better |
| 04:04.21 | Gnea | atp: oic, hrmm |
| 04:04.42 | adamant1988 | oops forgot to make myself root =( |
| 04:04.43 | acronos | Is no one willing to help me change my path? I did what the first guy suggested '.bashrc' but it does not apply to root when I use 'su'. I have tried changing /etc/profile but that didn't work either. Any help?. |
| 04:04.44 | simonrvn | deadcat: n + ^^ |
| 04:04.48 | atp | Gnea: chinese is pretty easy though, relative to arabic and davengari and thai and stuff though :/ |
| 04:04.58 | Gnea | atp: i wouldn't know :/ |
| 04:05.01 | adamant1988 | Thank's guys... sometimes I need a friendly reminder that I'm a newb |
| 04:05.03 | deadcat | simonrvn: ok... |
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| 04:05.14 | Gnea | !noob |
| 04:05.14 | dpkg | noob is probably Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 04:05.17 | simonrvn | !tell omkar -about root |
| 04:05.22 | fourat | i have scratchy sounds with xmms and amarok, how to fix this ? |
| 04:05.25 | Stevie | adamant1988: Could be worse. Many Linux stories with bad endings contain the line 'I wish I hadn't been logged in as root' |
| 04:05.27 | Gnea | adamant1988: it's all good :) |
| 04:05.34 | simonrvn | !fix amarok and xmms |
| 04:05.43 | Gnea | fourat: what soundcard are you using and which driver? |
| 04:05.47 | dak | atp learn english |
| 04:05.52 | dak | glad im american |
| 04:06.00 | Stevie | apt-learn english ? |
| 04:06.02 | simonrvn | 'american' |
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| 04:06.12 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.16 | dak | smartass |
| 04:06.17 | fourat | Gnea, using alsa |
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| 04:06.20 | craigbass1976 | acronos, what's the trouble? |
| 04:06.24 | simonrvn | no, just smart |
| 04:06.48 | dak | love how this place is full of trolls |
| 04:06.51 | dak | sad |
| 04:06.55 | Azar | dak sorry to bother turning my eyes on you, you seem to have a hard time today |
| 04:07.01 | Gnea | !tell dak about enter |
| 04:07.24 | acronos | craigbass1976: I installed postgres 8.1 at the suggestion of the postgres group using backports.org. |
| 04:07.28 | dak | for me it is sorry i started that along time ago |
| 04:07.36 | acronos | craigbass1976: That install didn't set the path |
| 04:07.38 | simonrvn | things go bad partly because it just happens, or sometimes you bring it upon yourself |
| 04:07.40 | atp | dak i'm american too you fool |
| 04:07.51 | dak | so why do you care about non english? |
| 04:07.57 | Gnea | fourat: what soundcard is it? |
| 04:07.58 | acronos | craigbass1976: I am trying to change the root path to include the postgres/bin files |
| 04:08.10 | simonrvn | i wouldn't say that too loud in some company. liable to get your ass kicked |
| 04:08.12 | craigbass1976 | acronos, root's path, or any user? |
| 04:08.13 | deadcat | simonrvn: when i try to boot 2.6.16.18 on the ppc. it complains about root= and VFS stuff. my 2.6.14 works fine and the .16.18 is practically the same .config. you know if something major changed from .14 to .16 on the ppc? |
| 04:08.15 | atp | dak i dunno, maybe because english is only the 3rd most spoken language in the world and i like talking to people |
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| 04:08.31 | Gnea | !ppc |
| 04:08.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc and/or #debian-ppc |
| 04:08.33 | simonrvn | deadcat: no. check the changelog |
| 04:08.42 | acronos | craigbass1976: any user including root. |
| 04:08.47 | dak | well maybe you should learn whatever 1 and 2 are? |
| 04:08.53 | dak | whats 1? arabic ? |
| 04:08.58 | Azar | wow 2.6.18 is out? so .16.17 is history? wow |
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| 04:09.02 | atp | dak mandarin, obviously |
| 04:09.05 | simonrvn | !ppc =~ s, and/or #debian-ppc,, |
| 04:09.05 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 04:09.08 | atp | dak two is spanish |
| 04:09.16 | Gnea | Azar: it moves fast :) |
| 04:09.17 | acronos | craigbass1976: I have tried .bashrc and /etc/profile. niether work |
| 04:09.17 | atp | dak arabic isn't that widely spoken, actually |
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| 04:09.26 | Miesco | How do I test if my samba printer works?? |
| 04:09.36 | deadcat | Miesco: print something |
| 04:09.37 | Azar | Gnea, I wonder which kernel would be the newest by the time Etch goes out |
| 04:09.55 | Gnea | Azar: 2.6.2007 |
| 04:09.56 | craigbass1976 | acronos, paste your .bash_profile in pastebin or somethign so I can see what you tried. |
| 04:09.57 | dak | whats mandarin ? |
| 04:10.02 | Azar | Gnea hahaha... |
| 04:10.04 | Gnea | dak: a dialect of chinese |
| 04:10.08 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:10.11 | craigbass1976 | acronos, paste the link here so I can go there |
| 04:10.16 | dli | Azar, it's 2.6.16.18 |
| 04:10.17 | dak | yeah i wanna learn chinese |
| 04:10.23 | deadcat | fucking kernel comes minor releases every freakin week. so DONT try to keep up with it |
| 04:10.29 | dak | cuz we will be having a war with them soon |
| 04:10.31 | dak | next 20 years |
| 04:10.42 | Azar | Gnea anyways I read that Torwalds wants to hold on the horses with those flying kernel versions until they clean up the bugs |
| 04:10.50 | atp | dak: there's no way, a war with china would bankrupt us economically |
| 04:10.52 | acronos | I'm not familiar with pastebin? |
| 04:11.00 | dli | dak, are you going to do the war? |
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| 04:11.08 | dak | theyd invaid us |
| 04:11.11 | dak | not us on them |
| 04:11.14 | Azar | dli, thanks , whew, that's more like it |
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| 04:11.15 | Gnea | Azar: they'll clean the bugs? |
| 04:11.18 | acronos | I have a web server that might work though. |
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| 04:11.19 | Gnurdux | ftp.debian.org is down? |
| 04:11.27 | dak | look at ww2 with japan... but china has mad debt |
| 04:11.28 | acronos | It will take a few minutes |
| 04:11.36 | atp | dak: they also won't try it, they're entire industrialization and development depends on american demand |
| 04:11.40 | fourat | Gnea, Toshiba America Info Multimedia controller |
| 04:11.41 | Azar | Gnea, that's the way I understood: stop with version upgrade madness: let's clean the act |
| 04:11.46 | dli | dak, what "us" ? |
| 04:11.50 | atp | dak: china has mad debt? |
| 04:11.53 | fourat | Gnea, was working good before upgrade |
| 04:11.53 | simonrvn | dak: us has worse debt. they owe china billions and billions |
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| 04:11.57 | deadcat | my kernel panics with some VFS unable to mount... something about root=, what might be the problem? 2.6.16.18 |
| 04:12.01 | dak | we start putting tarifts on china, oil, metals, food? they will goto war like japan did |
| 04:12.01 | atp | dak: what are you smoking? they have assloads of money! they buy our debt! |
| 04:12.18 | Gnea | wow, i think ftp.debian.org *IS* down... |
| 04:12.32 | simonrvn | 'tariff' |
| 04:12.50 | crn | dak, we don't have any meatals, food, and oil to put tarriffs on |
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| 04:13.03 | dak | simonrvn: and how am i wrong? china needs the usa for trade and if the usa enacts tarifts stopping all oil and other things from going to china, what will the do? |
| 04:13.19 | atp | dak: the point is that we would never do that, because that would be the end of the USA |
| 04:13.25 | Gnea | dak: it'll just re-route from somewhere else |
| 04:13.30 | simonrvn | eh? what are you smoking? change dealer .... |
| 04:13.34 | atp | dak: because a) they manufacture everything we use, essentially |
| 04:13.39 | craigbass1976 | acronos, have you tried editting your own .bash_profile? |
| 04:13.44 | atp | dak: and they and japan own most of our national debt |
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| 04:14.05 | deadcat | acronos: what you trying to do? source your .bash* when you open a shell? |
| 04:14.05 | atp | dak: if they asked us to pay up, we would be fucked, because we couldn't. we'd have to default, which would mean the end of the dollar |
| 04:14.07 | Azar | is not down here.. |
| 04:14.08 | Gnea | dak, atp: could you please take this discussion to another channel or private message? thanks. |
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| 04:14.22 | atp | Gnea: you're right, it's offtopic, sorry. |
| 04:14.24 | simonrvn | atp: would go down in flames |
| 04:14.25 | Azar | ftp.debian.org works for me |
| 04:14.31 | acronos | craigbass1976: I edited .bashrc at the suggestion of another user here. It did work for the local user but only for the local user. |
| 04:14.34 | Gnea | hrm |
| 04:15.16 | Azar | Gnea, oh.. no ftp.de.debian.org is what I use |
| 04:15.19 | dak | why would we do those tarifts in the next 20 years? debt? the way they treat their own people human rights shit, military aggression? |
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| 04:15.46 | dak | one day they will prolly have the largest navy and airforce |
| 04:15.48 | Gnea | dak: last chance... |
| 04:15.49 | dondelelcaro | atp,dak: that's wildly OT for #debian. |
| 04:15.49 | Azar | .... |
| 04:15.53 | dak | they already have the largest army |
| 04:15.55 | simonrvn | a) stfu b) the u.s. is just as bad |
| 04:15.58 | craigbass1976 | acronos, ok, I can't help then. I've only ever needed to change a single user's path, never system wide. Is it possible to put a link in a folder that your path already includes to the executable in question (ln -s)? |
| 04:16.04 | atp | dondelelcaro: i already stopped talking :) |
| 04:16.08 | dondelelcaro | dak: please take this discussion to #politics |
| 04:16.14 | dak | no thanks |
| 04:16.30 | Gnea | dak: goodbye. |
| 04:16.30 | acronos | craigbass1976: I add the line export PATH=/usr/lib/postgresql/8.1/bin:$PATH |
| 04:16.34 | Azar | Gnea try the .de ftp |
| 04:16.35 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: no they should shut up or get off their ass and do something about it! |
| 04:16.39 | Gnea | Azar: okay |
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| 04:16.53 | Gnea | Azar: yup, it works |
| 04:16.58 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I don't care what they do, so long as it's not here. |
| 04:17.13 | Azar | I guess it is sunday |
| 04:17.17 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:17.23 | SJr|Tecra | I want to move my home folder to a new drive, but keep everything the exact same, like dates and times, and permissions, how can I do this? |
| 04:17.26 | deadcat | my kernel panics with some VFS unable to mount... something about root=, what might be the problem? 2.6.16.18 |
| 04:17.26 | craigbass1976 | acronos, is that persistant after a reboot? |
| 04:17.47 | SJr|Tecra | deadcat, did you just recompile your kernel? |
| 04:17.51 | acronos | craigbass1976: For the local user, yes it is. |
| 04:17.55 | atp | deadcat: is it just me or is 2.6 wildly unstable compared to 2.4 |
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| 04:18.03 | SJr|Tecra | atp it's just you :P |
| 04:18.03 | deadcat | SJr|Tecra: ya.. using the 2.6.14 .config |
| 04:18.10 | simonrvn | just you atp |
| 04:18.12 | deadcat | atp: just you |
| 04:18.14 | davidh | dli: are you there? |
| 04:18.22 | atp | deadcat: i remember when we switched to 2.4 from 2.2 we said the same thing about 2.4 though so maybe it is just me |
| 04:18.23 | acronos | craigbass1976: Note that I haven't actually rebooted though. I just remember editing these type of files before. |
| 04:18.26 | dli | davidh, just ask :( |
| 04:18.30 | simonrvn | early 2.6 was hell. got better |
| 04:18.38 | deadcat | acronos: definately just you |
| 04:18.51 | SJr|Tecra | you may not have put in your IDE driver |
| 04:19.04 | SJr|Tecra | just? |
| 04:19.04 | davidh | dli: How do I know what filesystem I am using for my current linux? |
| 04:19.04 | SJr|Tecra | wait |
| 04:19.04 | dli | simonrvn, still endless fluctuations in 2.6 |
| 04:19.04 | SJr|Tecra | hmmmmm question with XChat, why does just show up as jut? |
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| 04:19.10 | craigbass1976 | acronos, did you get what I meant with the symb link? Not sur eif it would work or not, but perhaps putting a link in /bin to the postgres would work. |
| 04:19.11 | dli | davidh, for current? " mount " |
| 04:19.18 | simonrvn | dli: the way they handle new things going in has changed |
| 04:19.24 | SJr|Tecra | omg XChat is broken |
| 04:19.26 | acronos | deadcat, I don't understand what you mean? |
| 04:19.36 | Gnea | SJr|Tecra: then use another client |
| 04:19.39 | deadcat | acronos: ignore my last few comments |
| 04:19.46 | davidh | dli: I mean ext2, ext3, or JFS? |
| 04:20.19 | dli | davidh, yes, if you type mount without option, it displays mounted devices (including fs) |
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| 04:20.51 | SJr|Tecra | Okay in the mean time if I want to make an exact copy of my home directory, and move it what should I use |
| 04:21.01 | acronos | craigbass1976: I've never used links before. You suggest putting it in /sbin. I really only want it to work for root anyway. |
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| 04:21.06 | deadcat | SJr|Tecra: rsync |
| 04:21.11 | batman | hi |
| 04:21.17 | acronos | deadcat, ok. |
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| 04:21.27 | batman | is there not a floppy image mirror anymore? |
| 04:21.34 | davidh | dli: Is there difference between ext3 and ext3 journalling filesystem? |
| 04:21.39 | SJr|Tecra | deadcat will it preserve ownership, aswell as times? |
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| 04:21.44 | batman | im having trouble finding the images for floppy booting and net install |
| 04:21.45 | SJr|Tecra | davidh no ext3 is ext2 with journaling |
| 04:21.54 | deadcat | SJr|Tecra: yes. cp -Rip does the same too. |
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| 04:22.04 | adamant1988 | If I did a net install of debian do I need to do an update or is everything pretty up to date |
| 04:22.09 | davidh | SJr|Tecra: typo? |
| 04:22.24 | deadcat | adamant1988: just do it.. wont hurt right? |
| 04:22.37 | davidh | SJr|Tecra: you mean ext3 is ext3 with journaling |
| 04:22.43 | adamant1988 | ok what's the command for an upgrade? |
| 04:22.48 | acronos | craigbass1976: would you put a link for each cmd you want or a link to the directory. Needs to be each command right? |
| 04:22.51 | deadcat | adamant1988: apt-get upgrade |
| 04:22.59 | SJr|Tecra | davidh no I mean ext3 is ext2 + journaling |
| 04:23.05 | craigbass1976 | acronos, I just tried it with a script I wrote,a nd it worked. ln -s /target/file /link/name so mine was ln -s /root/siren /bin/siren. There's a script in root's home dir called siren. Putting a link in /bin made it "in my path" sort of. |
| 04:23.23 | adamant1988 | is that all? |
| 04:23.24 | SJr|Tecra | in order to turn a standard ext2 drive into a ext3 drive you add a journal inode with tune2fs -j /dev/hd?x |
| 04:23.24 | adamant1988 | lol |
| 04:23.35 | deadcat | just freakin do it and see |
| 04:23.36 | acronos | craigbass1976: cool. thanks |
| 04:23.56 | acronos | craigbass1976: on my way to implement. |
| 04:23.58 | craigbass1976 | Don't thak mme yet, see if it works first. I'm curious. |
| 04:23.59 | tilrman | acronos: why not just add the path to root's .bashrc? |
| 04:24.10 | davidh | SJr|Tecra: My current system uses Ext3. But I want to recompile the system by `make menuconfig`. But I could not find ext3 except ext3 journing file system |
| 04:24.25 | acronos | tilrman: cause I'm ignorant. |
| 04:24.40 | deadcat | davidh: thats what you want then |
| 04:25.33 | davidh | deadcat: You mean ext3 journalling will work under ext3? |
| 04:25.41 | Gnea | Azar: i have it confirmed from several locations now: ftp.debian.org is down. |
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| 04:26.30 | tilrman | acronos: if you go the symlink route, it would be wiser to create them in /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin |
| 04:27.10 | acronos | tilrman: but I only really want to run postgres commands when I'm root? |
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| 04:27.38 | acronos | BTW: I'm tring both ideas craigbass1976. Just tive me a min |
| 04:28.19 | tilrman | acronos: then put them in /usr/local/sbin . . . only root gets this in his path by default |
| 04:28.57 | Gnea | something's happening. |
| 04:29.19 | acronos | tilrman: what you suggested worked. thanks. I will test craigbass1976 idea too because I really appreciate his help. |
| 04:29.45 | craigbass1976 | there are several ways to skin the cat. |
| 04:29.53 | acronos | :) |
| 04:30.54 | craigbass1976 | acronos, quid pro quo if you can... I need to update phpbb remotely on my web hoster's box. How can I via ssh? I don't have root priveledges. |
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| 04:31.57 | adamant1988 | how can I find out what version of GTK I have installed? |
| 04:32.20 | Gnea | gtk-config --version |
| 04:33.02 | adamant1988 | thanks |
| 04:33.03 | acronos | craigbass1976: your idea worked too. when you log in using ssh can you see the files you need to change? |
| 04:33.05 | deadcat_ | adamant1988: dpkg -l |grep libgtk |
| 04:33.24 | deadcat_ | i am on 2.6.16.18, my kernel panics: VFS: cannot open root device "hda3" or unknown-block(0,0) \n please append a correct "root=" boot option. <-- what do i do? my 2.6.14 works fine and the .16.18 is practically the same .config.. |
| 04:33.52 | acronos | craigbass1976: Let me warn you my knowledge of ssh is probably less than yours :( |
| 04:33.58 | craigbass1976 | I'm not sure what files I need. I can see all the file in my home directory, and I'm the one that installed it, so I have access to whatever I need because it's all craig's |
| 04:34.25 | acronos | craigbass1976: then it should be dooable. |
| 04:34.28 | craigbass1976 | Well no, ssh won't matter. But the box in question is debian, and I'm accustomed to fedora and Cent. |
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| 04:34.53 | deadcat_ | craigbass1976: so? its commandline |
| 04:35.08 | acronos | craigbass1976: next question. What tool are you using for your phpbb update? |
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| 04:36.19 | acronos | craigbass1976: With my sketchy memory. Probably the files you need are in the html directory |
| 04:36.27 | craigbass1976 | acronos, right. What tool. Got me. |
| 04:36.52 | tilrman | deadcat_: (1) is your boot loader loading .14 and .16.18 the same way, e.g. with the same root= option? (2) what type of filesystem is hda3? |
| 04:37.03 | craigbass1976 | config.php and info.php are both in the html dir. |
| 04:37.23 | acronos | craigbass1976: that looks promising right? |
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| 04:37.41 | DarkJesus | # Appears as ANNA |
| 04:37.47 | deadcat_ | tilrman: ya. same stuff. |
| 04:37.53 | acronos | craigbass1976: is your phpbb a bulitin board. Does it have a tool to edit itself? |
| 04:38.08 | craigbass1976 | I imagine. |
| 04:38.16 | DarkJesus | (#G010E010M1) <Chr> |
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| 04:38.27 | tilrman | deadcat_: and the filesystem type of hda3? |
| 04:38.50 | deadcat_ | tilrman: everything is the same. i had to upgrade because fucking udev was bitching |
| 04:39.06 | acronos | craigbass1976: Does the site work? |
| 04:39.15 | tilrman | deadcat_: what type of filesystem is hda3? |
| 04:39.23 | DarkJesus | # Appears as HUGH |
| 04:39.24 | deadcat_ | tilrman: ext3 |
| 04:39.36 | tilrman | deadcat_: is ext3 support enabled in your .config? |
| 04:39.43 | deadcat_ | tilrman: yes. |
| 04:40.12 | deadcat_ | tilrman: want to see my .config? |
| 04:40.19 | Gnea | DarkJesus: stop. |
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| 04:40.42 | tilrman | deadcat_: nope, i believe you |
| 04:40.53 | jetscreamer | if i already have a process running in an xterm, how do i send it to the background |
| 04:41.05 | deadcat_ | ^z |
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| 04:41.15 | jetscreamer | thz |
| 04:41.16 | deadcat_ | then bg |
| 04:41.17 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 04:41.26 | craigbass1976 | acronos, yeah, the site works. I just know that the software has been upgraded and I thought there'd be an easy way to patch it. |
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| 04:42.14 | tilrman | deadcat_: hmm, are you using an initrd? |
| 04:42.19 | deadcat_ | tilrman: nope. |
| 04:42.21 | jetscreamer | hey deadcat that just like ^z suspended it then bg sent it? |
| 04:42.35 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 04:42.38 | jetscreamer | that was cool though |
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| 04:42.44 | acronos | craigbass1976: I doubt apt works as a local user. You probably compile the files manually? I don't know? |
| 04:42.51 | fourat | debian's ftp is down ? |
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| 04:43.02 | jetscreamer | ping it and find out |
| 04:43.04 | deadcat_ | jetscreamer: ya. but you should look into gnu screen(1) so you wont have to background anything |
| 04:43.05 | jetscreamer | or trace |
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| 04:43.11 | Misogynist | Is mysqld-max included in the mysql-server package? |
| 04:43.24 | tilrman | deadcat_: hmm running out of ideas :-\ . . . have ide-disk enabled? |
| 04:44.18 | deadcat_ | tilrman: CONFIG_IDE=y ? ya... well this is ppc kernel using yaboot.conf, but i dont think that matters though since i just compiled the same kernel on my x86 and that works fine. |
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| 04:44.50 | fourat | debian's ftp is down ? |
| 04:44.56 | tilrman | deadcat_: sorry, i am out of my league then |
| 04:45.05 | deadcat_ | tilrman: thanks though |
| 04:45.21 | acronos | craigbass1976: I just tried runing as a local user. Got a message that I had to be root. |
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| 04:45.39 | davidh | dli: hello. there? |
| 04:46.14 | dli | davidh, never ask to ask, please |
| 04:46.49 | fourat | !sources |
| 04:46.49 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
| 04:46.55 | davidh | dli: What is $GET_ROOT in $Get_Root make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
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| 04:47.35 | craigbass1976 | acronos, running what? Does the link have rwx--x--x permissions? How about the target file? |
| 04:47.39 | dli | davidh, you run as root |
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| 04:48.10 | spanglesontoast | am I screwed if my sysvinit has been removed? |
| 04:48.14 | acronos | craigbass1976: running apt. the debian install tool. equivilent to fedora yum. |
| 04:48.20 | davidh | dli: sorry. I am afread that is not meant according to README |
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| 04:48.35 | deadcat_ | ftp.us.debian.org works fine for me. |
| 04:48.39 | davidh | dli: README says only step 5 requires root |
| 04:49.03 | dli | davidh, okay, run " fakeroot make-kpkg " |
| 04:49.03 | spanglesontoast | the mirror is down for me deadcat so I switched to the uk one |
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| 04:49.38 | deadcat_ | spanglesontoast: ah |
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| 04:50.05 | davidh | dli: I just run the command without $GET_ROOT or fakeroot. Is it ok? |
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| 04:50.24 | davidh | dli: it is compiling |
| 04:50.38 | acronos | craigbass1976: If you have a copy of the upgraded site. as long as it uses the same version of php, the site should work if you copy it to the right directory. |
| 04:51.08 | dli | davidh, if you use initrd, you have to do, add --initrd here, " make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image" |
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| 04:51.35 | davidh | dli: I do not plan to be bothered with initrd |
| 04:51.53 | dli | davidh, yes, you don't need initrd |
| 04:52.22 | davidh | dli: see flood |
| 04:53.03 | craigbass1976 | acronos, it works now, I just know there were some security fixes in the new version. |
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| 04:53.22 | craigbass1976 | I'll fart around with it. |
| 04:53.23 | davidh | dli: Do you any problem in what I am doing. Of source, I `make menuconfig` first |
| 04:53.35 | acronos | craigbass1976: What is the current version you are using? |
| 04:53.37 | craigbass1976 | I gotta go to bed, didn't realize it was 1AM. |
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| 04:53.49 | craigbass1976 | ....19. The new one is 20 |
| 04:53.57 | acronos | craigbass1976: sorry couldn't help. sleep well :) |
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| 04:54.08 | dli | davidh, to be safe, do , " make-kpkg clean ; make-kpkg kernel-image " |
| 04:54.12 | craigbass1976 | How bout you? Your problem fixed? |
| 04:54.20 | acronos | yep |
| 04:54.31 | spanglesontoast | I'm stuck with NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
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| 04:54.34 | spanglesontoast | for dpkg... |
| 04:54.36 | acronos | Both answers worked |
| 04:54.51 | davidh | dli: What is custom.1.0 |
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| 04:55.20 | dli | davidh, just a version number |
| 04:55.38 | davidh | dli: what is the default |
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| 04:55.51 | belkrem | i haVE A question how do you upgrade the kernel |
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| 04:56.45 | davidh | dli: the command in flood is what I pick up from README |
| 04:56.47 | rrk | just go get the new kernel package it is easy now |
| 04:57.07 | no0ke | ???????????? |
| 04:57.12 | belkrem | like apt-get install kernel |
| 04:57.26 | davidh | dli: Is kernel-package also open source? |
| 04:57.30 | rrk | yep i'll go check |
| 04:57.41 | davidh | dli: Or just binary installation |
| 04:57.46 | spanglesontoast | can anyone help me fix dpkg? |
| 04:57.58 | rrk | me too |
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| 04:59.24 | dli | davidh, dpkg -s foo , show package info, including license |
| 05:00.14 | dli | spanglesontoast, not enough info, that's why nobody answered |
| 05:00.26 | spanglesontoast | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 05:00.42 | chengqi | hi, guys. I met an annoying problem in my debian. The submenu of Applications in gnome-panel is always shaking and flashing. Have you meet this problem before. |
| 05:00.42 | spanglesontoast | I have been googling it as usual |
| 05:00.43 | chengqi | In fact, I just installed debian, and it was okay before I did some setting in ~/.Xdefaults about chinese fonts display. Then I tried to reinstall gnome-panel and remove the ~/.Xdefaults file, but the problem is still there.Could you help to point me how to deal with this problem? Thanks. |
| 05:00.45 | spanglesontoast | but no cookies |
| 05:00.54 | spanglesontoast | or cigars :| |
| 05:01.05 | dli | spanglesontoast, check your PATH, then? |
| 05:01.12 | spanglesontoast | where? |
| 05:01.43 | spanglesontoast | I did accidentally remove sysvinit |
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| 05:03.19 | Generic | anyone know how to solve this error? aclocal: macro `AM_PATH_PYTHON' required but not defined |
| 05:03.20 | dli | spanglesontoast, copy the update-rc.d from another debian box |
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| 05:03.40 | belkrem | is there a way to update every package |
| 05:03.48 | spanglesontoast | I do have one at spare |
| 05:03.51 | spanglesontoast | but where does it go? |
| 05:04.05 | dli | chengqi, I don't use .Xdefaults |
| 05:04.13 | spanglesontoast | dw |
| 05:04.13 | spanglesontoast | lol |
| 05:04.16 | spanglesontoast | .... |
| 05:05.13 | rrk | he was in a hurry |
| 05:05.37 | chengqi | dli: I use it because my emacs can not input chinese, so I followed some tuts from website and config the xdefaults |
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| 05:06.05 | dli | chengqi, try xemacs, which has better mulit-language support |
| 05:06.05 | rrk | any one around to help unhose apt ? |
| 05:06.29 | jaime | hello can anybody help me put some audio on my ubuntu |
| 05:06.52 | chengqi | dli: yeah, it is stable with multi-language, but it is somehow big, and I prefer emacs ;) |
| 05:07.00 | dli | chengqi, indeed, xemacs should support Chinese by default, you need the locales, fonts, and ENV set |
| 05:07.06 | rrk | do you know what you have for an audio chip set ? |
| 05:07.16 | chengqi | dli: But I think this is not the problem. I have removed .Xdefaults later, then the menu is still flashing.. |
| 05:08.03 | spanglesontoast | dli still doesn't work |
| 05:08.06 | spanglesontoast | :| |
| 05:08.12 | chengqi | dli: should I reinstall gnome-desktop-environment or some other packages to fix the problem? |
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| 05:08.55 | rrk | jamie do you know what audio chipset you have ? |
| 05:09.24 | dli | chengqi, very unlikely, it's an emacs problem |
| 05:09.45 | rrk | have you check to see if the audio module has been loaded with lsmod |
| 05:09.59 | dli | spanglesontoast, download the .deb of sysvinit, install it, if you couldn't, copy the files inside from another debian box |
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| 05:10.18 | chengqi | dli: you mean I need to uninstall emacs(snapshot) to get this problem resolbed? |
| 05:10.25 | spanglesontoast | well I tried to install sysvinit |
| 05:10.30 | spanglesontoast | kind impossible without dpkg |
| 05:10.56 | dli | chengqi, just like xterm, it doesn't support Chinese natively |
| 05:12.00 | chengqi | dli: okay. then you suggest uninstall emacs and use xemacs instead, then the problem should be gone. |
| 05:12.27 | dli | chengqi, yes, xemacs patched with ML |
| 05:12.54 | chengqi | dli: but I have a question(newbie), after reboot the system, even emacs is not started, the menu is still flashing. why did this happen?" |
| 05:13.01 | dli | chengqi, or use gvim, which supports NLS natively |
| 05:13.25 | dli | chengqi, I would remove the .Xdefaults |
| 05:14.03 | chengqi | dli: I have removed the .Xdefaults, and then reboot my machine, the problem still exist:( |
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| 05:14.16 | dli | chengqi, you mentioned gnome? |
| 05:14.28 | chengqi | dli: yes. |
| 05:14.40 | dli | chengqi, what is flashing? |
| 05:14.47 | brownie17 | can anyone explain this: "Failed to fetch http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/source/Sources.gz 403 Forbidden [IP: 203.16.234.85 80]" |
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| 05:15.17 | dli | brownie17, try another mirror ? |
| 05:15.51 | chengqi | dli: I mean the submenu is shaking and flashing, then I can not click the submenu of what I want(e.g. the option of gnome-terminal in the Application menu) |
| 05:16.04 | brownie17 | dli, okay, where can i get the url for another one? |
| 05:16.09 | chengqi | dli: sorry, poor english:( |
| 05:16.22 | dli | brownie17, can you run apt-setup ? |
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| 05:16.53 | brownie17 | dli, nope. brb |
| 05:17.48 | dli | chengqi, I see, really messed up gnome, logout, Ctl-Alt-F1 to console, login as user, " rm -rf ~/.gconf* ~/.gnome* ", be careful with rm -rf |
| 05:18.01 | dli | chengqi, then, you can login again |
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| 05:18.55 | dli | brownie17, /usr/sbin/apt-setup |
| 05:19.48 | chengqi | dli: you mean some config are stored in teh gnme* files, and even I reboot my system or reinstall gonme-panel, they are still there. So I need to remove them manully to get it resolved.right? |
| 05:20.05 | dli | chengqi, more likely .gconf* |
| 05:20.47 | dli | chengqi, or, logout, login with another session , rm them, and try gnome again |
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| 05:21.09 | sadsix | lvm2 doesn't have a comprable e2fsadm command so i don't have to worry about screwing up anything? |
| 05:21.10 | chengqi | dli: okay, thanks. Let me have a try. |
| 05:21.25 | spanglesontoast | ah |
| 05:21.41 | spanglesontoast | dli it needs to be chmodded and chowned :) |
| 05:22.25 | rrk | anyone around for apt help ? |
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| 05:23.01 | davidh | why `shutdown -r now` becomes a reboot command? |
| 05:23.17 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 05:23.29 | dondelelcaro | davidh: uh... it's always been that way |
| 05:24.01 | davidh | dondelelcaro: So what is the command to shutdown? |
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| 05:24.17 | dli | davidh, shutdown -h now , man shutdown |
| 05:24.20 | rrk | shutdown -h now |
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| 05:25.18 | davidh | dli: Thanks. |
| 05:25.49 | Generic | is there a reason why Debian doesn't mount my usb thumbdrive? |
| 05:26.01 | fourat | howto view .xpm.gz files ? |
| 05:26.05 | Generic | lsscsi displays it, and I see a usb device when I do a mount |
| 05:26.05 | rrk | what does dmesg say |
| 05:26.09 | Generic | but I can't mount the bugger |
| 05:26.41 | K|NgGh0sT | this guy is being a moron, and just want to see if he's right or not... |
| 05:26.42 | K|NgGh0sT | [12·05·54] <egoodnow> and after that I tried to rebuild usiong my own stuff(worked befoire)...and found out that apt (for ATI video cards) was broken as hell |
| 05:27.02 | davidh | I recompile the kernel and try to boot it up. It could not start X windows. Semm like Free86 something??? |
| 05:27.05 | fourat | howto view .xpm.gz files ? |
| 05:27.26 | Generic | dmesg? |
| 05:27.45 | Generic | um |
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| 05:27.52 | Generic | Well, a whole crapload of I/O errors... |
| 05:28.09 | rrk | cat dmesg see what it says after you try to mount or better yet tail dmesg |
| 05:28.12 | davidh | what might be the configuration problem ? |
| 05:28.30 | rrk | what is your mount cmd line ? |
| 05:29.24 | Generic | neither cat nor tail work |
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| 05:29.43 | Generic | when do just "mount" it displays usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 05:30.12 | superlinux | hi all |
| 05:30.19 | Generic | what exactly did you mean by mount cmd line? |
| 05:30.21 | Vasistha | fourat: I believe xpm is an image file. You'll need to gunzip it and ... probably most viewers can view xpm, though I'm not sure |
| 05:30.27 | superlinux | who is using ipac-ng pkg? |
| 05:30.30 | rrk | you have to be in /var/log/ |
| 05:30.35 | superlinux | I need help in it |
| 05:31.17 | rrk | tail /var/log/dmesg |
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| 05:32.05 | somedude | can debian set up a network with pppoe from the installer |
| 05:32.22 | superlinux | somedude, I don't think so |
| 05:32.25 | rrk | generic do a cat /etc/fstab that will show you what a mount line should look like |
| 05:32.44 | Vasistha | Generic: have you tried mkdir /mnt/usbflash ; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbflash ? |
| 05:33.00 | superlinux | somedude, I advice you to use the 1st CD only for basic install |
| 05:33.09 | somedude | how come no distros can do that, i always have to install with the network down and then tinker it up by hand...for the last 5 years, will a distro ever do it |
| 05:33.12 | superlinux | and apt-get install pppoe later |
| 05:33.20 | Generic | Vasistha, I haven't tried that yet |
| 05:33.25 | somedude | ummm without pppoe working thats a little hard.... |
| 05:33.28 | rrk | kanotix will do pppoe |
| 05:33.45 | somedude | you cant apt-get much when your pppoe is down |
| 05:33.56 | rrk | yep |
| 05:34.02 | superlinux | from the CD! |
| 05:34.04 | Vasistha | Generic: that's your basic usb thumbdrive first mount attempt... the device is at /dev/sda1 (or maybe /dev/sdb1) and I usually make a directory /mnt/usbflash to use as a mount point |
| 05:34.34 | jccook | I'm thinkinng about putting debian on my laptop, and I'm entertaining the idea of doing an all source installation. is that very feasible using debian's package management system? |
| 05:34.43 | Generic | Vasistha, holy crap |
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| 05:34.44 | Generic | that just worked |
| 05:34.50 | superlinux | if you have downloaded the 2 DVD's, it will help you |
| 05:35.00 | Vasistha | somedude: hmmm, it's much easier if the pppoe connection is taken care of by an external modem/router, the drivers for a more standard ethernet connection are usually included |
| 05:35.03 | Generic | Vasistha, thanks a lot, I never thought of doing that |
| 05:35.08 | Vasistha | Generic: it usually does ;-) |
| 05:35.40 | Vasistha | Generic: if you like, you can add a line to your /etc/fstab and then all users (not just root) will be able to use the mount command to mount the thumb drive |
| 05:36.05 | dli | jccook, debian is binary based |
| 05:36.08 | superlinux | who is using ipac-ng pkg, used for ip accounting? |
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| 05:36.29 | Generic | Vasistha, pardon the stupid question, but what would that line look like? |
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| 05:36.44 | Vasistha | dli: was that meant for another channel? |
| 05:36.45 | rrk | cat /etc/fstab |
| 05:37.09 | Vasistha | Generic: just a sec, I'll get mine |
| 05:37.18 | Generic | I just did that, but I don't see anything that would indicate setting user privelages |
| 05:37.20 | jccook | dli: okie, thanks |
| 05:37.24 | Generic | Vasistha, okay |
| 05:37.44 | Vasistha | Generic: /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbflash auto noauto,users,rw 0 0 |
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| 05:38.13 | Vasistha | Generic: first the device -- /dev/sda1 -- then the mount point -- /mnt/usbflash -- the first "auto" means auto-detect the filesystem type, probably vfat... |
| 05:38.56 | Vasistha | Generic: the "noauto,users,rw" means don't automatically mount it on bootup, only when requested; users means that all users can mount, not just root; rw means read-write, as opposed to read-only. I don'y know what 0 0 means ;-) |
| 05:38.58 | Generic | Ah Ha! |
| 05:39.04 | Vasistha | *don't |
| 05:39.19 | Generic | awesome |
| 05:39.20 | Generic | thanks! |
| 05:39.36 | Vasistha | welcome |
| 05:39.48 | litage | is SOAP/Web Services stateless like HTTP is stateless? |
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| 05:42.13 | killown | Vasistha I found a program that send functions plotter in my machine >> linuxcad |
| 05:42.44 | Vasistha | killown: awesome! |
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| 05:43.03 | davidh | Hi |
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| 05:43.09 | Vasistha | killown: so is that just a driver? Are you still looking for a graphic design app? |
| 05:43.20 | Vasistha | Hi davidh |
| 05:43.25 | killown | Vasistha design app |
| 05:43.52 | Vasistha | killown: so you're working? Great! |
| 05:44.09 | killown | Vasistha yes |
| 05:44.32 | davidh | I am booting up my newly compiled kernel 2.4.27. But get stuck in Xwidows. The error log shows that XFree86 version xxxx is extensively modified by debian.org and is not supported by XFree86. Therefore, it is not able to start the GNOME |
| 05:44.41 | Vasistha | killown: I didn't think you were going to be successful, but it is great to hear that you got it working |
| 05:44.47 | davidh | Vasistha: Hi nice to see you again |
| 05:44.55 | killown | :) |
| 05:45.20 | Vasistha | davidh: likewise ... I see you've gone down the path of compiling your kernel. Well, regardless of the Xwindows thing, does this new kernel power down properly? |
| 05:45.39 | rrk | anyone know how to get rid of a circular apt problem? |
| 05:45.42 | davidh | Vasistha: I actually tokk the effort to recompile the kernel and enable the apmd. Still not able to power it down. |
| 05:46.14 | davidh | Vasistha: The shutdown process shows Stop apmd deamon something, mean the deamon was running |
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| 05:46.56 | Vasistha | davidh: d'oh! well, you can still fall back on the old kernel, right? I'd definitely focus on the shutdown thing before X, because if you can't get the shutdown working there's no substantial advantage to the custom kernel :P |
| 05:47.05 | yereth | hi guys |
| 05:47.09 | davidh | Vasistha: I was able to boot it to command prompt |
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| 05:47.51 | davidh | Vasistha: Yes, now I am using old kernel to use the x-chat |
| 05:47.52 | Vasistha | davidh: yeah, the command prompt is much better than a blue screen of death, eh/ |
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| 05:49.00 | davidh | Vasistha: I change the menu.lst and add like `apm=power_off acpi=off noacpi` |
| 05:49.06 | stoned | ahh crap |
| 05:49.18 | stoned | 1024x resolution to little |
| 05:49.18 | davidh | Vasistha: power still remains on |
| 05:49.49 | yereth | what do I need to add to fstab to get my usb mounted correctly? If I make the mount point /mnt/usb to device /dev/sda then it says I need to "specify a filesystem", which won't work. It does work when I mount /dev/sda1 on /mnt/usb1, but I don't want to put a whole list of possible usb devices in fstab.. isn't there an alternative? |
| 05:50.04 | Vasistha | davidh: yeah, I hear ya... have you looked up on the hardware compatibility lists to see if any other linux users have anything to report about your hardware? |
| 05:50.52 | Vasistha | yereth: sda1 refers to partition 1 on the device sda. I would mount /dev/sda1 on /mnt/usb |
| 05:50.53 | davidh | Vasistha: where is the hardware compatibility list? |
| 05:51.00 | Vasistha | !hardware |
| 05:51.01 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 05:51.21 | yereth | Vasistha: yes.. but what if I have 2 usb devices mounted at the same time? Or three? |
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| 05:51.48 | Vasistha | yereth: they would be sda1 sdb1 sdc1, -NOT- sda1 sda2 sda3 |
| 05:51.55 | yereth | alright |
| 05:52.01 | davidh | Vasistha: I was able to power down by REDHAT ES 3.0, REDHAT 9.0 |
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| 05:52.24 | Vasistha | davidh: oh yeah, I think you mentioned that before :-) |
| 05:52.27 | yereth | Vasistha: so is there anyway to automate this process, instead of putting the max of devices I guess I will have in fstab? |
| 05:52.48 | Vasistha | yereth: I think there's an automount package, let me check up on it |
| 05:53.00 | davidh | Vasistha: except that I was using a completely different hard disk. Everything remains the same |
| 05:53.02 | rrk | yes you can automate it but it is tricky |
| 05:53.03 | yereth | Vasistha: there is, I just can't find the auto.usb |
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| 05:53.20 | Vasistha | davidh: man, so... you can't boot to either of those old red hat systems to poke around and see what's going on, can you? |
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| 05:53.46 | fourat | hello all |
| 05:53.51 | davidh | Vasistha: I need to open the machine and change the cable if I wish |
| 05:54.00 | Vasistha | I remember mepis did it quite nicely, although they have a custom kernel |
| 05:54.12 | stoned | need and wish don't go together |
| 05:54.25 | Vasistha | davidh: well, we've been at this for two days, it's probably worth it ;-) |
| 05:54.27 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:54.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 05:54.32 | Vasistha | davidh: although that might not be necessary... |
| 05:54.41 | davidh | Ano one can help the problem not to bring up GNOME because of XFree86 |
| 05:54.48 | Vasistha | davidh: is the other HDD still hooked up, or is it completely disconnected? |
| 05:55.02 | fourat | since apt-get upgrad'ing' my sarge, soundcard is not working when rebooting, i should do 'alsaconf' to reconfigure it, why it's not saving the config ? |
| 05:55.03 | davidh | Vasistha: disconnected |
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| 05:55.22 | davidh | cable connected to EITHER of them |
| 05:55.26 | stoned | tarzeau, what is the purpose of the popcon? How does it, or does it even, help the package maintainers somehow? What are those stats used for? |
| 05:55.28 | rrk | yereth have a look at udev it has a pretty steep learning curve |
| 05:55.36 | davidh | them I mean either hard disks |
| 05:55.50 | rrk | but you can automate most any hardware |
| 05:56.21 | yereth | rrk: I'll bookmark it thanks.. :) have to be off to work in a minute |
| 05:56.25 | tarzeau | stoned: for statistics freaks |
| 05:56.29 | stoned | tarzeau, like, I know what it it does, but why? |
| 05:56.35 | stoned | oh just for fun ? |
| 05:56.44 | Vasistha | davidh: hmmm, many ide cables have two connectors. Oh well, anyway... as for the X problem, you got your kernel source from debian, right? or from kernel.org? |
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| 05:56.49 | tarzeau | stoned: no it's mainly used to decide which package go on the first released debian cd |
| 05:56.52 | tarzeau | stoned: and which not |
| 05:56.54 | stoned | ahh |
| 05:57.00 | stoned | so it does have a real purpose |
| 05:57.01 | tarzeau | stoned: that's one important example that comes to mind |
| 05:57.05 | tarzeau | stoned: of course |
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| 05:57.08 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:57.09 | ZEUGMA | hello |
| 05:57.14 | davidh | Vasistha: apt-get install kernel-source |
| 05:57.16 | tarzeau | stoned: have you installed it already? |
| 05:57.16 | ZEUGMA | i removed many packages |
| 05:57.23 | stoned | tarzeau, nah, I usually decline |
| 05:57.23 | ZEUGMA | and now my system boots correctly |
| 05:57.28 | dirakx | hi everyone anyone knows how to use sorce forge cvs...? |
| 05:57.31 | ZEUGMA | but when i enter root it always says: |
| 05:57.35 | ZEUGMA | system bootup in progress |
| 05:57.38 | tarzeau | stoned: now that there's a good reason, you're gonna to install it? |
| 05:57.39 | ZEUGMA | nevermind how much i wait |
| 05:57.40 | Vasistha | davidh: I would expect that should play nice with the debian XFree... |
| 05:57.45 | ZEUGMA | always that i enter it says so |
| 05:57.48 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 05:57.49 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 05:57.52 | ZEUGMA | how can i fix it? |
| 05:57.56 | Vasistha | ZEUGMA: ^^^ |
| 05:57.59 | ZEUGMA | ok |
| 05:58.06 | stoned | tarzeau, I am not sure, I might, thanks for the information budd |
| 05:58.08 | davidh | I follow instruction given by README |
| 05:58.11 | tarzeau | yw |
| 05:58.22 | davidh | Vasistha: I follow instruction given by README |
| 05:58.45 | fourat | !soundcard |
| 05:58.46 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
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| 05:59.17 | stoned | alsa gave me shit for 10 minute yesterday until I ran something from console, found out, I wasn't even in the audio group |
| 05:59.21 | fourat | how to get my soundcard name ? |
| 05:59.24 | Vasistha | !tell fourat about msg the bot |
| 05:59.27 | stoned | fourat, lspci |
| 05:59.31 | spanglesontoast | erm |
| 05:59.38 | davidh | Vasistha: Some one mentioned to me in this command make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 05:59.40 | spanglesontoast | really odd |
| 05:59.55 | davidh | Vasistha: I should omit the revision. SHould I? |
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| 05:59.58 | fourat | stoned, not the name, the hardware link name |
| 06:00.10 | spanglesontoast | does anyone know about the system boot up in progress please wait message on bootup that doesn't allow me to login with other users or through sshd |
| 06:00.12 | Vasistha | davidh: I really can't help you there ... I've never successfully compiled a useful kernel |
| 06:00.16 | stoned | fourat, /dev/dsp? |
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| 06:00.28 | davidh | Vasistha: Also What is $GET_ROOT in front of it? I did not use it. Is it a problem? |
| 06:00.45 | fourat | alsactl -d store /dev/dsp |
| 06:00.45 | fourat | alsactl: save_state:1177: Cannot find soundcard '/dev/dsp'... |
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| 06:01.01 | YogSothoth | Hi! |
| 06:01.04 | davidh | Vasistha: That is ok. I compile many kernels on REDHAT |
| 06:01.12 | dirakx | hi |
| 06:01.16 | davidh | Vasistha: most of them works |
| 06:01.35 | davidh | Vasistha: let us get back to power down. Any idea? |
| 06:01.49 | rrk | fourat apt-get lshw and run lshw > hware.txt then cat hware.txt |less that will give you all the info you need |
| 06:02.14 | dirakx | anyone Knows how to use source forge cvs...? |
| 06:02.36 | Vasistha | davidh: well, I was thinking it would be easier and less time consuming to boot red hat... but now it's occuring to me, what kernel was the old red hat system running? Was it a 2.4 kernel? |
| 06:02.54 | YogSothoth | I'm trying to get my web server working. I'm very newbie to this. I'm in the DNS part, trying to configure bind9. Before defining each of my domain names I am wondering if it's possible to just define "everthing"? Like, am I forced to define each of my domains? Can't I write something like a "catch-all"? |
| 06:03.09 | cbeams | anyone running Sarge/Etch on a dual core machine? |
| 06:03.27 | davidh | Vasistha: Both 2.4 and 2.6 kernel. ES 3.0 comes with 2.4 and I downloaded 2.6 and recompile it and make it work |
| 06:04.32 | davidh | Vasistha: I never experience power down problem until recently I am using debian for a project and notice the problem. Even Windows XP works perfectly fine without power down problem |
| 06:05.08 | Vasistha | davidh: hmm, at this point... I don't have many bright new ideas, because we tried pretty much everything I thought of. So it might be easiest at this point to just boot red hat and see if red hat is running apm or acpi -- both in 2.4 and in 2.6 -- and check any kernel params |
| 06:05.13 | davidh | Vasistha: I am using the old dell machine 6+ years since I bought it. It is still in good condition |
| 06:05.25 | deadcat_ | ok. built slim 1.2.4 into .deb.. |
| 06:05.32 | Vasistha | davidh: yeah, my laptop here is about 7 years old and I love it! |
| 06:05.53 | dli | Vasistha, p3-500 ? |
| 06:06.04 | Vasistha | YogSothoth: are you absolutely sure you need bind? I've never run a web server myself, so I wouldn't know... |
| 06:06.19 | davidh | Vasistha: redhat also uses apm/acpi? |
| 06:06.20 | Vasistha | dli: me? no, P2-333 |
| 06:06.40 | Vasistha | davidh: all -computers- use either apm or acpi, many have support for both |
| 06:06.57 | dli | Vasistha, dell ? |
| 06:07.04 | Vasistha | davidh: maybe that's not true, but virtually all PCs on the market today, and for the past maybe 10 or 15 years, use apm and/or acpi |
| 06:07.20 | Vasistha | dli: no, davidh has a dell, mine's a compaq armada 1750 -- the last good computer compaq ever made, and it is quite nice |
| 06:07.27 | sep | davidh, i cousdnt figure out your hardware from /lastlog, but i had a similar issue on a inter motherboard once. the reson was that the ich2rom module was incorrectly loaded and it prevented me from poweroff and reboot, the machine just hang at powering down/rebooting. adding ich2rom to discover and hotplug blacklists fixed it for me. |
| 06:07.37 | sep | that was a interl serverboard |
| 06:07.40 | YogSothoth | Vasistha: that's of course what I though first, do I really need one? But as I see my web server running well but not my domain names answering I think I need one in fact :-) |
| 06:07.48 | dli | Vasistha, I see, I have a compaq now, with a cracked lcd hinger |
| 06:07.56 | dli | Vasistha, s/hinger/hinge/ |
| 06:08.04 | stoned | heh, I have a laptop with no screen |
| 06:08.19 | sep | davidh, if you see ich2rom in your lsmod it might be worth a test. otherways it wont aply to you |
| 06:08.20 | davidh | sep: Would you please tell what to fix? |
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| 06:08.23 | stoned | its got sid on it, runs apps over the net, so its somewhat useful |
| 06:08.30 | stoned | although I was told that it would be useless |
| 06:08.31 | dli | stoned, then, mine is better, I have run debian on it for 4 years |
| 06:08.32 | Vasistha | dli: yeah, my hinges are pretty delicate at the moment, but still functional |
| 06:08.41 | yipe | hi there everybody |
| 06:08.46 | stoned | dli, sure, whatever helps you sleep at night ;) |
| 06:09.00 | Vasistha | yipe: welcome! if you've got a question, feel free to just ask ;-) |
| 06:09.10 | yipe | :) okay, I will |
| 06:09.17 | davidh | sep: open flood |
| 06:09.24 | stoned | thas kinda redundant |
| 06:09.29 | stoned | I'm sure he came here to ask questions |
| 06:09.34 | stoned | not chit chat about the weather |
| 06:09.35 | dli | Vasistha, dell is better, my dell also had a cracked hinge, but I opened the cover, fixed the screws, and applied epoxy |
| 06:09.35 | stoned | ;) |
| 06:09.38 | loxley_ | YogSothoth: unless each domain needs ssl, you can use the VirtualHost directive |
| 06:09.41 | hawkeey | who makes the best "free" linux compatible wireless cards? |
| 06:10.04 | hawkeey | I just realized that Intel sucks at the "free" part |
| 06:10.04 | Vasistha | stoned: well some folks come in here and ask, "Can I ask a question?" or better yet, "Is there an expert on XX?" |
| 06:10.15 | stoned | ahh yes, those too :) |
| 06:10.15 | dli | hawk_eye, fsf recommends rt2500 , http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
| 06:10.16 | yipe | I just installed debian on a secondary hard drive, I've got several operating systems on this computer, and during the install it didn't detect all of them, so I chose for it not to install a boot record at all |
| 06:10.45 | dli | hawkeey, I heard intel is making a fully GPLed driver for their ipw3945 |
| 06:10.50 | yipe | I'm having a little trouble mounting the drive to look myself, so can someone tell me what I should put in grub's menu.lst? |
| 06:11.01 | sep | YogSothoth, you dont need bind to run a webserver, but you do need nameresolution of some kind, usualy this is done by your domain registrar. if you want to run your own dns service you can run bind. |
| 06:11.05 | rrk | davidh have read here http://acpi.sourceforge.net/ the problem is there is no standard bios interface |
| 06:11.16 | hawkeey | dli: umm... like without the proprietary regulatory daemon? |
| 06:11.28 | Vasistha | yipe: alright... you didn't have debian install the boot record, so debian will not be in charge of booting, right? What system will be in charge of booting? |
| 06:11.30 | hawkeey | dli: because I have a ipw3945 and I'm pretty ticked at Intel at the moment |
| 06:11.33 | yipe | what's the current kernel in use and what's the initrd, if any |
| 06:11.43 | larrikin | has there ever been a company contribute a driver collaboratively with the community ..? |
| 06:11.44 | dli | hawkeey, yes, I heard that, but the current available driver is still with firmware |
| 06:12.02 | hawkeey | dli: why doesn't debian take out the firmware? |
| 06:12.04 | yipe | ubuntu, all I need is to know what to put in the kernel and initrd lines in grub's menu.lst |
| 06:12.16 | dli | hawkeey, you can not, it's binary only |
| 06:12.17 | stoned | yipe, if you know the /boot or / file system type, just mount it somewhere from anoher OS, go to /boot, write the names of initrd-x.x.blahblah and vmlinuzx.x.xblahblah and just put those in your already existing menu.lst or boot loader |
| 06:12.24 | Vasistha | larrikin: probably, yeah, though I couldn't name them, I think it does happen |
| 06:12.35 | davidh | Anyone rebuild kernel 2.4 for debian? |
| 06:12.36 | no0ke | !urxvt |
| 06:12.38 | dooglus | I have this link: "/etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim.basic". What is the magic update-alternatives command to use the full 'vim' instead of the basic one? |
| 06:12.51 | yipe | I'm having a little trouble getting it to boot |
| 06:12.58 | dli | hawkeey, good thing is that intel is openning up |
| 06:13.01 | ZEUGMA | when i enter root it always says: |
| 06:13.03 | yipe | excuse me, mount |
| 06:13.03 | ZEUGMA | system bootup in progress |
| 06:13.04 | Vasistha | yipe: So you need to know what to put in ubuntu's /boot/grub/menu.lst in order to boot debian, right? |
| 06:13.05 | ZEUGMA | how can i fix it? |
| 06:13.06 | stoned | yipe, what other unix based OS do you have installed |
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| 06:13.15 | stoned | ubuntu? |
| 06:13.15 | yipe | ubuntu and FreeBSD |
| 06:13.17 | deadcat_ | dooglus: none. |
| 06:13.19 | dli | hawkeey, also, intel video is the only decent 3D video card with GPLed driver |
| 06:13.20 | hawkeey | dli: can you cite anything regarding that. News of that would make me happy |
| 06:13.28 | dooglus | deadcat_: why's that? |
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| 06:13.47 | dli | hawkeey, I just picked that up on irc :( |
| 06:13.48 | deadcat_ | dooglus: dont know why. )= |
| 06:13.50 | davidh | rrk: What is your suggestion? |
| 06:13.53 | hawkeey | dli: ok, thanks though |
| 06:14.08 | dli | hawkeey, doesn't count, unless we see the driver at work |
| 06:14.08 | yipe | Ubuntu and FBSD are already set up in Grub, with ubuntu in charge of that(since it's the one I put on first, and is my main system) |
| 06:14.18 | hawkeey | dli: I also have Intel video... hardware is too new though to have a driver in debian stable |
| 06:14.22 | stoned | yipe, just boot into ubuntu, mount your debian / somewhere as read only, switch to its /boot, copy the names of the kernel/initrd and put those in your ubuntu menu.lst and specify root hd(x,x) where x is your debian drisk/part |
| 06:14.32 | hawkeey | dli: the Ubuntu guys managed to hack it in apparently, but I'm not one for hacks |
| 06:14.37 | dli | hawkeey, you probably need Xorg-7 |
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| 06:14.48 | yipe | I'm having a little trouble getting it to mount |
| 06:14.55 | hawkeey | dli: Is Xorg in Debian yet? |
| 06:14.57 | dli | hawkeey, i945 ? |
| 06:14.58 | deadcat_ | hawkeey: this is debian |
| 06:14.58 | fourat | since apt-get upgrade, i have to 'alsaconf' my soundcard on each reboot to get my soundcard working, how to solve this issue ? |
| 06:14.59 | stoned | yipe, what filesystem type is it |
| 06:15.02 | glurgle | what would be the correct way to add a command to my startup process? (in this case a command that modifies the LED on the front of the Xbox I'm running sarge on) |
| 06:15.04 | dli | hawkeey, yes, in etch |
| 06:15.04 | Vasistha | yipe: are you booted into ubuntu or debian right now? |
| 06:15.05 | deadcat_ | hawkeey: /topic |
| 06:15.19 | rrk | davidh the is some sort of config file that can be set dtmps i don't remember but that is what you should look for in your redhat let me go snoop |
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| 06:15.25 | yipe | mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb2 /mnt/whatever should work right? |
| 06:15.28 | yipe | ubuntu |
| 06:15.31 | YogSothoth | sep: I don't know what I should do: I configured my domain from my registar control panel to point to ns1.mydomain.com associated to the ip of my server. Should I run bind for this? |
| 06:15.32 | stoned | yes |
| 06:15.33 | rrk | i got it working for my ibm laptop |
| 06:15.35 | stoned | should |
| 06:15.36 | pyroplasm | dooglus: update-alternatives --config vi |
| 06:15.56 | Vasistha | glurgle: man update-rc.d |
| 06:15.59 | ZEUGMA | when i enter root it always says: |
| 06:16.00 | ZEUGMA | system bootup in progress |
| 06:16.01 | ZEUGMA | how can i fix it? |
| 06:16.29 | YogSothoth | loxley_: Each domain doesn't need ssl. At most, one will need it per IP. Anyway it's not urgent to get ssl. So how do I configure VirtualHost? |
| 06:16.32 | stoned | yipe, you can do grub-install /dev/hdb2 |
| 06:16.32 | dooglus | pyroplasm: that offers a choice between "/usr/bin/nvi" and "/usr/bin/vim.basic". I want "/usr/bin/vim". |
| 06:16.49 | glurgle | thx Vasistha |
| 06:16.50 | yipe | do what now? |
| 06:17.08 | Vasistha | ZEUGMA: sorry not to be able to help you at the moment... |
| 06:17.21 | fourat | since apt-get upgrade, i have to 'alsaconf' my soundcard on each reboot to get my soundcard working, how to solve this issue ? |
| 06:17.25 | rrk | davidh go read this page http://acpi.sourceforge.net/ that is what i used -- it was painful |
| 06:17.35 | deadcat_ | dooglus: check /etc/lib/dpkg/alternatives/vi |
| 06:17.48 | stoned | yipe, I think there are usually links in / where /vmlinuz points to /boot vmlinuz-fullname and /initrd.img to /boot/initrd.fullname |
| 06:18.04 | dooglus | deadcat_: ls: /etc/lib/dpkg/alternatives/vi: No such file or directory |
| 06:18.04 | stoned | yipe, have you tried booting using just the plain link names |
| 06:18.05 | stoned | |? |
| 06:18.14 | deadcat_ | dooglus: i mean /var |
| 06:18.20 | Vasistha | fourat: you could make a one-line script and add it via update-rc.d |
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| 06:18.44 | yipe | what are the plain link names? |
| 06:18.46 | rrk | bbl |
| 06:19.10 | fourat | found it, should modprobe sound, put it in /etc/modules |
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| 06:19.31 | dooglus | deadcat_: no mention of /usr/bin/vim in there, just nvi and vim.basic |
| 06:19.37 | pyroplasm | dooglus: I guess you need the package vim-full |
| 06:19.41 | deadcat_ | dooglus: so you can add it |
| 06:20.02 | deadcat_ | vim7 rocks by the way (= |
| 06:20.02 | stoned | yipe, just modify your Ubuntu's menu.lst and make an entry for the debian disk, and use kernel /vmlinuz and initrd /initrd.img |
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| 06:20.21 | stoned | those links are created by default, so they must exist on debian, try that |
| 06:20.25 | stoned | afaik |
| 06:20.26 | yipe | I'll give that a shot |
| 06:20.28 | panda | Evening... |
| 06:21.02 | stoned | yipe, make sure to specify the root hd(debian disk here) |
| 06:21.06 | dooglus | pyroplasm: interestingly, I can run /usr/bin/vim and it seems to work without installing vim-full. It lets me "vim changelog-Debian.gz" and uncompresses the .gz file on the fly, for instance |
| 06:21.06 | yipe | rebooting, we'll see how it went |
| 06:21.08 | yipe | yep |
| 06:21.12 | dooglus | (vim.basic doesn't) |
| 06:21.27 | panda | Quick question, have people been reporting issues with mysql and having their boxes being compromised? |
| 06:21.45 | pyroplasm | dooglus: /usr/bin/vim is a link to /etc/alternatives/vim on my system |
| 06:21.56 | Generic | how do I mount an ntfs external usb drive? |
| 06:21.57 | Vasistha | panda: I haven't heard such a report in here, but have you checked the debian security advisory? |
| 06:21.59 | ZEUGMA | what is Xprt (Xprint) ? |
| 06:22.03 | ZEUGMA | what package is it? |
| 06:22.05 | stoned | dooglus, what does update-grub do to menu.lst, make a backup of menu first then update-grurb and compare if you have not already |
| 06:22.07 | ZEUGMA | i want to remove that |
| 06:22.19 | stoned | s/dooglus/yipe |
| 06:22.30 | panda | Vasistha: I have, mysql seems to have had a few updates but I'm trying to figure out how the root password on my box was changed without anybody logging in as me. |
| 06:22.33 | stoned | yipe ^^ |
| 06:23.00 | Vasistha | panda: I think you should definitely disconnect your box from the internet if it has been compromised |
| 06:23.16 | Vasistha | panda: your box could be contributing to crime :P |
| 06:23.18 | panda | Vasistha: It's a different box from this one ;) it's sitting off the net. |
| 06:23.46 | stoned | panda, check root .bash_history |
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| 06:23.50 | panda | Vasistha: No new users have been added, netstat shows nothing suspicious, it's all very strange. |
| 06:24.18 | panda | stoned: Nothing there other than what I used last. |
| 06:24.20 | stoned | unless the *hacker* deleted his tracks, you should still see the commands |
| 06:24.22 | stoned | hmm |
| 06:24.28 | Vasistha | panda: if you've been rooted, then netstat and ps have probably been replaced with functions that conceal the activity |
| 06:24.35 | _rene_ | stoned: once one got root, you can't trust anything anymore |
| 06:24.49 | stoned | well, true, but never hurts to try |
| 06:25.04 | stoned | lots of newbie 'hackers' don't really know what they are doing |
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| 06:25.40 | Vasistha | stoned: that's an interesting point. how many of them do you really think go after linux boxes though? I guess a few might |
| 06:25.54 | stoned | well, I know the XDCC nuts do it |
| 06:26.15 | stoned | their xdcc packet softwre required raw socket, so they hire/have plenty of scanners + rooter/exploiters as they like to call em |
| 06:27.16 | stoned | they exploit mostly university networks though, not like home pc but you never know where the script kiddy might strike again |
| 06:27.16 | CompWizrd | heh, a dsa about mysql 4.0 just came in on my blackberry |
| 06:27.56 | Vasistha | CompWizrd: what interesting timing... |
| 06:28.07 | CompWizrd | 1079 |
| 06:28.19 | CompWizrd | slashdot had a posting about it a few days back |
| 06:28.37 | panda | I'm wondering if that's the mechanism that was used or not, any way to check? |
| 06:28.38 | CompWizrd | problems with queries,etc |
| 06:28.50 | stoned | slashdot imo is umm, well, on the verge of homosexuality :/ |
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| 06:29.01 | stoned | if it isn't already ehehe |
| 06:29.04 | stoned | I shush now |
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| 06:29.48 | yipe | well that was bizarre |
| 06:30.03 | Generic | Vasistha, I've got another usb mounting question |
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| 06:30.07 | yipe | it didn't work |
| 06:30.28 | Vasistha | Generic: ask away! |
| 06:30.29 | stoned | yipe, why can't you mount the debian disk somewhere? |
| 06:30.34 | yipe | I don't know |
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| 06:30.45 | stoned | what do you mean you don't know, you're sitting right there hehe |
| 06:30.53 | ZEUGMA | hello |
| 06:30.57 | ZEUGMA | i need your help |
| 06:31.01 | Generic | Vasistha, How would I go about mounting a ntfs usb external? the process I used for the thumbdrive doesn't work in this case |
| 06:31.06 | ZEUGMA | i upgraded to 2.6.16 but it can't find my network card |
| 06:31.16 | ZEUGMA | 2.6.10 was working with my network card |
| 06:31.21 | streuner | ZEUGMA: try dl |
| 06:31.22 | ZEUGMA | it's an old ne2000 |
| 06:31.29 | streuner | ZEUGMA: /msg dpkg dl |
| 06:31.36 | ZEUGMA | i guess the module is ne |
| 06:31.42 | apt-abhi | Hello World !! |
| 06:31.45 | stoned | lol |
| 06:31.46 | ZEUGMA | but 2.6.16 isn't working with it |
| 06:31.50 | ZEUGMA | what module should i try? |
| 06:32.04 | streuner | !tell ZEUGMA about dl |
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| 06:32.21 | Vasistha | Generic: erm, well what happens is when you plug in a new device, the kernel recognizes it as such, and increments from sda to sdb -- even if the old device is no longer plugged in |
| 06:32.38 | stoned | streuner, what the siwtch/command to append to make dpkg not notice/msg YOU what it told the other person |
| 06:32.41 | stoned | is* |
| 06:32.47 | pvd2006 | I am trying to get my sound to work in debian, I downloaded alsa packages. What do I need to run to get an also driver working |
| 06:32.52 | Vasistha | Generic: so the usb external will probably be found at /dev/sdb1 |
| 06:32.58 | pvd2006 | I am looking on the wiki site |
| 06:33.01 | stoned | pvd2006, apt-get install alsa && alsaconf |
| 06:33.17 | pvd2006 | stoned, got those |
| 06:33.26 | yipe | oh okay, I tried it with -t auto and it worked |
| 06:33.34 | stoned | pvd2006, did you run alsaconf |
| 06:33.36 | ZEUGMA | dl isn't what i need |
| 06:33.42 | ZEUGMA | my network card isn't PCI |
| 06:33.44 | glurgle | ok, I understand what update-rc.d does, but I'm not sure exactly what runlevel(s) I want my script in. I would like it to run after the ssh server is up |
| 06:33.48 | streuner | stoned: iam not care about dpkg's message, some peope prefer not to (-about) |
| 06:33.49 | ZEUGMA | it's an old ne2000 with ISA |
| 06:34.00 | ZEUGMA | kernel 2.6.10 could work with it |
| 06:34.00 | glurgle | ssh seems to be started in about 3 runlevels though :\ |
| 06:34.01 | streuner | s/peope/people/ |
| 06:34.04 | ZEUGMA | but looks like 2.6.16 can't |
| 06:34.11 | ZEUGMA | the module is ne |
| 06:34.19 | ZEUGMA | what should i do to make it work with 2.6.16? |
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| 06:34.26 | Generic | Vasistha, it mounted, but it won't open the drive |
| 06:34.27 | streuner | ZEUGMA: do you have another NIC handy? |
| 06:34.44 | stoned | streuner, oh, I knew there was one, I seen someone use it, but I forgot. I sometimes don't want dpkg to tell me anything if I do !tell someone something. I thought maybe you knew |
| 06:34.47 | stoned | its all good |
| 06:34.53 | Vasistha | Generic: that's... odd. |
| 06:35.08 | rockstar_ | Maybe someone in here can help me. I have a wierd problem that appeared to be a problem with DNS, but it works on my other systems without a problem. When I try and pull up google.com, it brings up some wierd page. All the other pages I've tried work. Nothing in /etc/hosts to override DNS. Anyone else have any ideas? |
| 06:35.14 | streuner | stoned: -about |
| 06:35.14 | ZEUGMA | no |
| 06:35.21 | ZEUGMA | i need to make that ne2000 work |
| 06:35.25 | stoned | streuner, yeh, I got it, but just explaining, thanks :) |
| 06:35.27 | ZEUGMA | it was with 2.6.10 |
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| 06:35.34 | Generic | mount shows that it is mounted, but when I try to open it, it just tells me the it cannot enter /mnt/usbflash |
| 06:35.47 | streuner | stoned: why the hell are you talking in past tense then? |
| 06:35.52 | pvd2006 | stoned, Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). |
| 06:36.00 | pvd2006 | keep getting no module etc.. |
| 06:36.02 | streuner | DOH |
| 06:36.10 | stoned | streuner, I did |
| 06:36.21 | ZEUGMA | what should i do to make that ISA network card work with 2.6.16? |
| 06:36.28 | yipe | okay, info copied, grub updated, MESSAGE FROM ROOT: THIS SYSTEM WILL SHUT DOWN... NOW! |
| 06:36.32 | Vasistha | Generic: oh, are you trying to enter /mnt/usbflash as a normal user, not root? |
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| 06:36.40 | stoned | streuner, excuse my grammar, i've got some booze in my bladder, giving you a little bit of chitter chatter, getting all weird in a geezer manner |
| 06:36.55 | stoned | la de da |
| 06:37.17 | pvd2006 | modinfo: snd: no module by that name found |
| 06:37.30 | Generic | Vasistha, ....yes |
| 06:37.37 | ZEUGMA | how can i make a ne2000 work with kernel 2.6.16? does it need a special module? |
| 06:37.45 | ZEUGMA | i had "ne" module working before |
| 06:37.57 | Generic | Vasistha, make the same changes in fstab?/ |
| 06:38.01 | Vasistha | Generic: chances are you are having a permissions problem. Just as a test, see if you can explore as root. After you've verified that it's working, we'll configure it for normal use |
| 06:38.12 | Generic | Vasistha, okay, lemme check it |
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| 06:38.56 | Generic | Vasistha, yup, works as root |
| 06:39.20 | Vasistha | Generic: alright, we've got one easy task ahead of us and one tricky one... |
| 06:39.24 | panda | Thanks for help/advice ya'll. I'll check back in later in case anybody else has had the same problems. |
| 06:39.26 | streuner | ZEUGMA: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 06:39.52 | Generic | Vasistha, which one comes first? |
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| 06:40.25 | ZEUGMA | 2.6.16 |
| 06:40.34 | streuner | tell us the whole output |
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| 06:40.48 | Vasistha | Generic: well, easy one is fix /etc/fstab, hard one is fix /etc/fstab :-) hehe... uhm anyway, let me just ask you, will you have some kind of standard configuration, or is it hard to say which drive you might plug in first on any given day? |
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| 06:41.12 | streuner | at least the important ones :-) |
| 06:41.24 | yipe | okay, booting is now possible |
| 06:41.39 | ZEUGMA | Linux version 2.6.10-1-686 (dilinger@mouth) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8)) #1 Fri Mar 11 03:55:46 EST 2005 |
| 06:41.43 | yipe | but X won't start and I get blue screen errors |
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| 06:41.47 | ZEUGMA | now i have this because i booted back to 2.6.10 |
| 06:41.57 | ZEUGMA | but the problem is with 2.6.16 |
| 06:42.06 | ZEUGMA | 2.6.10 has ne network card |
| 06:42.09 | ZEUGMA | 2.6.16 doesn't |
| 06:42.11 | ZEUGMA | dunno why |
| 06:42.12 | Generic | Vasistha, It's rather hard to say, I'm doubtful I'll plug in the external often, I'm just doing it to grab all my music right now, I may plug it in every so often to grab other things. But I'll most likely use my thumbdrive more often |
| 06:42.18 | streuner | ZEUGMA: what version of debian are you running? |
| 06:42.25 | ZEUGMA | etch |
| 06:42.42 | streuner | ZEUGMA: so did you look at BTS yet? |
| 06:42.49 | ZEUGMA | what is bts? |
| 06:43.09 | ZEUGMA | but tracking |
| 06:43.11 | ZEUGMA | what about it |
| 06:43.11 | streuner | !tell ZEUGMA -about bts |
| 06:43.21 | ZEUGMA | you mean it's a kernel 2.6.16 bug that it can't find ne2000? |
| 06:43.28 | Vasistha | Generic: oh, alright. The problem is this: whichever device you plug in first, that device will be assigned to /dev/sda ... the second device you plug in will be /dev/sdb |
| 06:43.37 | rockstar_ | Is there something wrong with the debian amd64 apt repositories? I haven't been able to update, getting a 404 File Not Found |
| 06:43.40 | ZEUGMA | can't i solve it by myself my modprobing a different module? |
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| 06:44.00 | Vasistha | Generic: based on what you're saying, it sounds like you probably will not have a need for both to be plugged in at the same time |
| 06:44.03 | Generic | Vasistha, shouldn't I be able to designate different mount points? |
| 06:44.14 | Generic | Vasistha, probably not, I'm not that crazy. |
| 06:44.40 | Vasistha | Generic: you can, but it's actually possible to set it up so both devices mount to the same place -- although not at the same time ;-) |
| 06:44.57 | yipe | okay, let's give this another try |
| 06:45.28 | Vasistha | Generic: if I have a couple flash drives, I'll only use one at a time, but I may use two the same day... so I have both sda and sda point to /mnt/usbflash ... |
| 06:45.29 | streuner | ZEUGMA: just use 'dl' driver locator by kmuto |
| 06:45.30 | Generic | Vasistha, that does sound simpler, I'm interested |
| 06:46.16 | Vasistha | Generic: alright, so basically, just make an identical line in your /etc/fstab to the first, but change sda1 to sdb1 ... that'll set the permissions up properly |
| 06:46.17 | ZEUGMA | i did |
| 06:46.21 | ZEUGMA | but as i said, it's not IDE |
| 06:46.24 | ZEUGMA | it's a ISA network card |
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| 06:46.35 | streuner | doh |
| 06:46.39 | ZEUGMA | why is it working in 2.6.10 and not in 2.6.16 then? |
| 06:46.45 | ZEUGMA | is that a kernel bug? |
| 06:46.53 | ZEUGMA | or i'm just missing the right module? |
| 06:46.59 | Generic | Vasistha, done, it should be accessible immediately, right? |
| 06:47.12 | Vasistha | Generic: after umount and mount |
| 06:47.23 | streuner | ZEUGMA: check out BTS |
| 06:47.41 | ZEUGMA | what about it? you mean i should post this as a bug? |
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| 06:47.50 | Gnea | !bts |
| 06:47.50 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 06:48.01 | ZEUGMA | i know what it is |
| 06:48.06 | ZEUGMA | i don't think this is what i need |
| 06:48.10 | Gnea | see if there is a bug reported |
| 06:48.11 | davidh | dli: ??? |
| 06:48.13 | ZEUGMA | i just need the right module for 2.6.16 |
| 06:48.18 | streuner | ZEUGMA: no, just search for a bugreport first |
| 06:48.51 | ZEUGMA | ok, let me see if i find anything about ne or ne2000 cards |
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| 06:48.58 | streuner | ZEUGMA: paste the whole output of 'lsmod' into paster bot |
| 06:49.00 | streuner | !paste |
| 06:49.00 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 06:49.17 | Generic | Vasistha, I'm getting the same error |
| 06:49.22 | ZEUGMA | nothing found |
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| 06:49.34 | ZEUGMA | ne2000 card are old but they have always been supported |
| 06:49.37 | ZEUGMA | i don't think this is a bug |
| 06:49.44 | Vasistha | Generic: ls -ld /mnt/usbflash |
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| 06:50.34 | ZEUGMA | http://pastebin.com/744277 |
| 06:50.35 | ZEUGMA | here |
| 06:50.36 | ZEUGMA | have a look |
| 06:50.40 | ZEUGMA | but ne module is there |
| 06:50.42 | Generic | Vasistha, dr-x------ 1 root root 12288 2006-05-27 06:09 /mnt/usbflash/ |
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| 06:51.00 | ZEUGMA | if i do "modprobe ne" using 2.6.16 i don't get any error |
| 06:51.02 | yipe | this is the weirdest thing |
| 06:51.14 | yipe | it's booting into ubuntu |
| 06:51.14 | ZEUGMA | the error is when i try to put up the network device with ifconfig |
| 06:51.23 | ZEUGMA | neither eth0 or eth1 can't be found |
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| 06:51.29 | ZEUGMA | and with 2.6.10 it is |
| 06:51.46 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: can you paste the output of lspci -v there, too? |
| 06:51.52 | Vasistha | Generic: alright, we have a couple different options here, it kinda depends how you want to set things up. You might want to have a "group" that can read/write to /mnt/usbflash |
| 06:52.03 | streuner | Gnea: its ISA... |
| 06:52.09 | ZEUGMA | not pCI |
| 06:52.13 | Gnea | oh. |
| 06:52.16 | Vasistha | Generic: currently noone except root is allowed into /mnt/usbflash ... that line dr-x------ is the permissions line. I can tell you more about it if you like |
| 06:52.20 | streuner | # |
| 06:52.21 | streuner | ne 7268 0 |
| 06:52.21 | streuner | # |
| 06:52.21 | streuner | 8390 10368 1 ne |
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| 06:52.29 | Generic | Vasistha, I'm interested |
| 06:52.29 | streuner | sorry |
| 06:52.49 | streuner | ne and 8390 is loaded |
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| 06:53.08 | Generic | Vasistha, however, it is getting a tid bit late, so maybe another time :) |
| 06:53.09 | pvd2006 | I am trying to get my audigy sound card to work on debian and I have alsaconf and alsa-base and all that good stuff. when I try to run alsaconf it doesnt detect any pci devices but when I do lspci -v I see my audigy sound card listed |
| 06:53.20 | Vasistha | Generic: alright, permissions come in three groups of rwx. Those stand for read, write, execute. ... err, okay, later then |
| 06:53.34 | ZEUGMA | so what about it? |
| 06:53.36 | Generic | Vasistha, heh, sorry, I looked at the time and realized how late it really was |
| 06:53.44 | Vasistha | Generic: for now, your easiest fix will be this: as root, chmod a+rwx /mnt/usbflash |
| 06:53.49 | streuner | ZEUGMA: ne is the module you need |
| 06:54.20 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: what is the output of: modinfo ne |
| 06:54.29 | Vasistha | Generic: keep in mind that you probably will not want to -write- any data to the ntfs drive, ntfs format is still not well supported, so don't attempt to write to it |
| 06:54.40 | yipe | oh my, I left the "boot" thing off the end of the grub entry |
| 06:54.58 | ZEUGMA | i know ne is what i need |
| 06:55.01 | streuner | ZEUGMA: just find out, and boot 2.6.16, tell us what error you get and have a look into /var/log/dmesg.log |
| 06:55.05 | ZEUGMA | and modprobe doesn't give any error |
| 06:55.12 | ZEUGMA | just eth0 can't be found |
| 06:55.31 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: what probably happened is that, because ISA doesn't exist anymore (IE, it's not in production) that all ISA support may have been dropped from newer kernels |
| 06:55.47 | ZEUGMA | # modinfo ne |
| 06:55.48 | ZEUGMA | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/ne.ko |
| 06:55.48 | ZEUGMA | description: NE1000/NE2000 ISA/PnP Ethernet driver |
| 06:55.48 | ZEUGMA | license: GPL |
| 06:55.48 | ZEUGMA | vermagic: 2.6.10-1-686 preempt 686 gcc-3.3 |
| 06:55.48 | ZEUGMA | depends: 8390 |
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| 06:55.51 | K|NgGh0sT | this guy is being a moron, and just want to see if he's right or not... |
| 06:55.53 | K|NgGh0sT | [12·05·54] <egoodnow> and after that I tried to rebuild usiong my own stuff(worked befoire)...and found out that apt (for ATI video cards) was broken as hell |
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| 06:56.15 | Gnea | streuner: oh well |
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| 06:56.38 | Generic | Vasistha, I get a "chmod: changing permissions of `/mnt/usbflash/': Read-only file system |
| 06:56.38 | Generic | " when I did the chmod, buuuut no access |
| 06:56.46 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: you were already told not to paste |
| 06:56.50 | streuner | Gnea: iam running 2.6.16 and those modules are there |
| 06:57.02 | Gnea | thanks, i'm proven wrong |
| 06:57.05 | Vasistha | Generic: oh,heheh, then just chmod a+rx /mnt/usbflash |
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| 06:57.12 | streuner | Gnea: np :-P |
| 06:57.13 | ZEUGMA | sorry |
| 06:57.23 | ZEUGMA | so /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/ne.ko |
| 06:57.26 | ZEUGMA | this is where ne is found |
| 06:57.32 | ZEUGMA | same for 2.6.16 |
| 06:57.33 | ZEUGMA | it's there |
| 06:57.43 | Gnea | so you should be able to modprobe it and then what does dmesg have to say about it? |
| 06:57.48 | Generic | Vasistha, no affect, this is a wee bit odd |
| 06:57.53 | streuner | ZEUGMA: you should boot your 2.6.16 kernel |
| 06:57.57 | Libra102 | hello. |
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| 06:58.02 | _rene_ | Vasistha: wrong. |
| 06:58.08 | Vasistha | Generic: hmm, try ls -ld /mnt/usbflash again ? |
| 06:58.11 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: yes, having the kernel booted would help immensely |
| 06:58.12 | _rene_ | the error doesn't say permission denied. |
| 06:58.19 | ZEUGMA | if i boot with 2.6.16 i don't have net connection and i can't talk with you |
| 06:58.21 | _rene_ | it says read-only *filesystem* |
| 06:58.31 | _rene_ | the fs most probably is mounted ro |
| 06:58.33 | Gnea | well now you know what you have to do |
| 06:58.40 | Vasistha | _rene_: it's ntfs |
| 06:58.43 | Gnea | so make it work so you can talk to us |
| 06:58.50 | Generic | Vasistha, it's still root, dr-x------ 1 root root 12288 2006-05-27 06:09 /mnt/usbflash/ |
| 06:58.55 | _rene_ | then of course it's ro :) |
| 06:59.04 | Vasistha | yeah |
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| 06:59.13 | streuner | ZEUGMA: save your /var/log/dmesg.log and tell us |
| 06:59.19 | _rene_ | then you can't write on it whatever do you |
| 06:59.28 | streuner | ZEUGMA: in paster bot. |
| 06:59.29 | Vasistha | Generic: did you try a+rx instead of a+rwx ? |
| 06:59.32 | _rene_ | especially not with chmod'ing the mountpoint |
| 06:59.52 | Generic | Vasistha, yup, it gave me the same message as before |
| 07:00.28 | ZEUGMA | ok |
| 07:00.32 | Vasistha | Generic: mount | grep sda |
| 07:00.34 | ZEUGMA | wait |
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| 07:01.42 | _rene_ | Vasistha: there's *no* write support for ntfs except a experimental one which only can do overweites with same-byte-size and captive. |
| 07:01.54 | _rene_ | Vasistha: otherwise there isn't. and then ntfs of course is ro |
| 07:02.14 | Generic | Vasistha, it doesn't appear to be working :S |
| 07:02.22 | Generic | Vasistha, I'm guessing I'm sorta screwed? |
| 07:02.32 | Vasistha | _rene_: yeah, I know, I wasn't thinking at all when I said a+rwx, I should have said a+rx in the first place. The objective was never to get write access, the objective has always been to let normal non-root users read the drive. |
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| 07:02.35 | _rene_ | Generic: you can't write on ntfs really with out-of-the-box stuff |
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| 07:02.53 | Generic | _rene_, I'm not looking to write to ntfs, only to read |
| 07:02.56 | _rene_ | Vasistha: ah, ok |
| 07:02.56 | Vasistha | Generic: this ought to be possible, did you do mount | grep sda ? |
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| 07:03.08 | protocol_ | Hi there |
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| 07:03.18 | _rene_ | even then chmod is WRONG |
| 07:03.23 | Generic | Vasistha, Yeah, I did |
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| 07:03.33 | ankur | i am getting following error Pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init:432:cannot open dev/console: No such file Kernel panic |
| 07:03.35 | Wowbagger_ | How do I get spell-as-you-type to work in xchat in debian? |
| 07:03.36 | _rene_ | RTF man mount |
| 07:03.47 | _rene_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.47 | _rene_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.47 | _rene_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.47 | _rene_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:04.01 | _rene_ | yes, I know... |
| 07:04.17 | ankur | do i need to create initrd image |
| 07:04.18 | Gnea | dude... |
| 07:04.20 | Gnea | fuck sundays |
| 07:04.24 | Vasistha | Generic: if you just type an unmodified mount it should give you a list of all mounted filesystems |
| 07:04.29 | _rene_ | so mount /foo/bar /baz -ouid=tralala |
| 07:04.45 | protocol_ | Anybody knows how to access LVM drives? |
| 07:04.56 | _rene_ | why do people always do crazy stuff instead of just doing the normal way? |
| 07:05.02 | Generic | Vasistha, yeah, it shows the mounted ntfs: /dev/sdb1 on /mnt/usbflash type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 07:05.08 | Gnea | _rene_: 'normal'? |
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| 07:05.12 | Vasistha | _rene_: why do people get angry at others' innocent mistakes? |
| 07:05.13 | _rene_ | changing the mountpoint won't even help for the files on the system |
| 07:05.20 | _rene_ | just for accessing / on the disk |
| 07:05.40 | _rene_ | s/mountpoint/mountpoints permission/ |
| 07:06.18 | _rene_ | Vasistha: because you didn't even read the manpage and try to help someone with that non-existing knowledge? |
| 07:06.30 | Gnea | _rene_: enough. |
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| 07:06.38 | _ironic_ | hi ppl |
| 07:06.58 | _rene_ | Gnea: of what? I don't mean it personally, if you mean that |
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| 07:07.12 | Vasistha | _rene_: I've read the manpage many times, I've -used- the uid directive, I just didn't think of it, maybe because I am tired. I am just trying to be helpful. |
| 07:07.13 | [F] | question: I am at this page to download debian ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian-cd/images/3.0_r5/i386/ |
| 07:07.25 | [F] | what are all these binary isos? do I need all 7 of them? |
| 07:07.34 | crazy_penguin | morning everybody! |
| 07:07.37 | _ironic_ | hi, im having troubles mounting a ide-scsi partition... and google did not helpme too much? |
| 07:07.40 | [F] | i just want one CD with the Debian image on it so I can install Debian. |
| 07:07.41 | Vasistha | _rene_: he wants to plug this one drive in -once- and download his music, it's a one-off, is it really worth such a fuss? |
| 07:07.43 | Gnea | [F]: you want 3.0? |
| 07:07.45 | fireba11 | [F] uhm ... why you want to download woody ?? |
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| 07:07.52 | streuner | [F]: that's woody :-) |
| 07:07.53 | [F] | Gnea: sorry, which one is the latest? |
| 07:07.54 | _rene_ | Vasistha: yes, because you won't go anything with chmod |
| 07:07.59 | Gnea | [F]: sarge, 3.1 |
| 07:08.01 | Generic | [F]: if you're going to be installing Debian and you have a network connection to the machine you're installing, it's easier to just use the net install disc |
| 07:08.04 | _rene_ | you *need* to use uid= / gid= |
| 07:08.09 | Gnea | [F]: will you be installing the rest over the internet? |
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| 07:08.20 | [F] | Gnea: is it possible that I get everything and install from the CD? |
| 07:08.31 | [F] | if I do that, how many CDs do YOu think i'll need? |
| 07:08.36 | _ironic_ | _rene_, can't use the auto option? |
| 07:08.39 | streuner | !nickometer [F] |
| 07:08.41 | dpkg | '[F]' is 11.000% lame, streuner |
| 07:08.42 | _rene_ | _ironic_: no |
| 07:08.52 | [F] | streuner: thats not too lame. |
| 07:08.58 | Gnea | [F]: if you want *everything*, then you need all of the cds. there is also a dvd option where you can download and burn 2 dvds, but they are huge. |
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| 07:09.17 | Gnea | [F]: your best bet is to use a net install and then install what you need over the 'net |
| 07:09.51 | [F] | Gnea: you have to be kidding, so like 7/8 CDs? |
| 07:10.01 | ZEUGMA | okay, i have the dmesg log for 2.6.16 |
| 07:10.02 | Gnea | [F]: but, why would you want to install everything? |
| 07:10.05 | _ironic_ | _rene_, but where i cant get the gid and uid, the fdisk -l /dev/hdb didn't show it up |
| 07:10.05 | ZEUGMA | gnea? |
| 07:10.06 | Gnea | [F]: no, i'm not. |
| 07:10.10 | ZEUGMA | streuner? |
| 07:10.13 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: so paste it somewhere |
| 07:10.16 | ZEUGMA | http://pastebin.com/744290 |
| 07:10.17 | ZEUGMA | here it is |
| 07:10.19 | _rene_ | _ironic_: choose it. to whatever the uid your user has |
| 07:10.21 | streuner | !comfort ZEUGMA |
| 07:10.21 | dpkg | There, there, ZEUGMA. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:10.23 | ZEUGMA | search for eth |
| 07:10.33 | [F] | Gnea: you're not what? |
| 07:10.37 | ZEUGMA | NE*000 ethercard probe at 0x260: 00 00 b4 44 a1 c0 |
| 07:10.38 | ZEUGMA | eth%d: NE2000 found at 0x260, using IRQ 5. |
| 07:10.38 | _rene_ | _ironic_: in case your user is foo say uid=foo |
| 07:10.40 | ZEUGMA | it says this |
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| 07:10.47 | protocol_ | Anybody has got experiance with LVM (Logical Volume manager)? |
| 07:10.55 | _rene_ | I already told you the line above |
| 07:11.04 | _rene_ | 09:04 < _rene_> so mount /foo/bar /baz -ouid=tralala |
| 07:11.08 | Gnea | # |
| 07:11.08 | Gnea | NE*000 ethercard probe at 0x260: 00 00 b4 44 a1 c0 |
| 07:11.08 | Gnea | # |
| 07:11.11 | Gnea | eth%d: NE2000 found at 0x260, using IRQ 5 |
| 07:11.13 | Gnea | oops |
| 07:11.27 | ZEUGMA | bad sign? |
| 07:11.29 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: looks like it's there, although it's saying eth%d and not eth0 |
| 07:11.34 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: do you have the ip command? |
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| 07:11.48 | ZEUGMA | i have ifconfig |
| 07:11.52 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: do you have the ip command? |
| 07:11.59 | pvd2006 | do you have to upgrade the debian sarge 3.1rc2 kernel to support alsa or reconfigure it with alsa support? |
| 07:12.02 | ZEUGMA | not ip |
| 07:12.02 | Gnea | it's a yes or no question :) |
| 07:12.09 | Gnea | ok, apt-get install iproute |
| 07:12.38 | ZEUGMA | installing... |
| 07:12.59 | Gnea | pvd2006: if you're using 2.4, you should install 2.6 |
| 07:13.11 | _rene_ | _ironic_: of course, add whatever matches your system instead of foo,bar,baz and tralala ;) |
| 07:13.18 | pvd2006 | gnea, apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 07:13.24 | ZEUGMA | Gnea: isntalled |
| 07:13.27 | ZEUGMA | what should i do |
| 07:13.30 | pvd2006 | is 2.6 stable? |
| 07:13.31 | [F] | thanks |
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| 07:13.37 | Gnea | pvd2006: that's not what i said. yes, 2.6 is stable. |
| 07:13.43 | _ironic_ | _rene_, let me read some.. because i don't know my uid or the gid |
| 07:13.49 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: ok, now run this: ip l |
| 07:13.56 | Gnea | should list all of your network devices |
| 07:13.57 | pvd2006 | well, im not sure how you install a kernel. |
| 07:14.06 | ZEUGMA | 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP> mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue |
| 07:14.06 | ZEUGMA | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.06 | ZEUGMA | 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,NOTRAILERS,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 |
| 07:14.06 | ZEUGMA | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.06 | ZEUGMA | 3: sit0: <NOARP> mtu 1480 qdisc noop |
| 07:14.06 | ZEUGMA | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:14.12 | _rene_ | _ironic_: run id |
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| 07:14.19 | Gnea | !kernel install |
| 07:14.19 | dpkg | from memory, kernel install is http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
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| 07:14.23 | pvd2006 | thanks |
| 07:14.27 | pvd2006 | im sure Ill break it but Ill try |
| 07:14.28 | pvd2006 | :) |
| 07:14.30 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: forget something? |
| 07:14.33 | ZEUGMA | sorry again |
| 07:14.42 | davidh | when I reboot the re-compiled kernel 2.4, it could not start x windows, because XFree86 version for debian is not supported by XFree86 project |
| 07:14.44 | Gnea | ok, now reboot to 2.6.16 and run ip l |
| 07:14.53 | _ironic_ | _rene_, lol was simple, i was getting a headeache using keywords in google |
| 07:14.56 | ZEUGMA | of course, with 2.6.16 |
| 07:15.00 | Gnea | see if ethANYTHING shows up - |
| 07:15.03 | Gnea | then |
| 07:15.06 | ZEUGMA | i guess it won't |
| 07:15.10 | Gnea | ip l > device.list.txt |
| 07:15.23 | Gnea | then come back and paste that to the paster, not in the channel. |
| 07:15.26 | Gnea | !paste |
| 07:15.26 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 07:15.41 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: if you don't want to be banned from here, please, keep using the website for pasting. |
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| 07:16.07 | ZEUGMA | what should i do if eth0 isn't in the device list of ip l then? |
| 07:16.21 | Gnea | you already know what to do, i just told you. |
| 07:16.34 | ZEUGMA | i know |
| 07:16.39 | Gnea | then why did you ask? |
| 07:16.44 | _ironic_ | i'm still having the "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb5" |
| 07:17.30 | _ironic_ | with this: /dev/hdb5 /media/windows2 ntfs gid=1000,umask=0007,fmask=0117,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 07:18.11 | Gnea | _ironic_: are those options valid with what's in the manpage for fstab? |
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| 07:19.13 | zerodni | _ironic do you have libntfs5 installed |
| 07:19.24 | ZEUGMA | i did ip l with 2.6.16 and... eth is eth5!!! |
| 07:19.26 | ZEUGMA | how come? |
| 07:19.54 | maebmij | zerodni, wow, do you need userspace libraries to mount ntfs? I thought it was kernel... |
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| 07:20.14 | _ironic_ | geuss not |
| 07:20.22 | _ironic_ | the whereis cant find it |
| 07:20.26 | GeorgeAScot1 | i'm having some usb trouble.... other than lsusb, what cmd will show me everything connected? |
| 07:20.36 | streuner_ | lsusb |
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| 07:21.10 | _ironic_ | Gnea, i substitue ntfs for nfs and now it says: mount: el directorio que se debe montar no tiene el formato host:dir |
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| 07:21.29 | _ironic_ | the directory that should mount, doesn't have the host:dir format |
| 07:21.36 | GeorgeAScot1 | if turning the device on, prompts a popup for transfering, then it must be noticing the device somewhere... but when i actually try to transfer it says it's not connected |
| 07:21.37 | _ironic_ | (my debian is in spanish) |
| 07:21.40 | zerodni | maebmij for ntfs you need extra libbarys to write to ntfs |
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| 07:21.53 | zerodni | it very dangues to write to ntfs |
| 07:21.57 | _ironic_ | i don't want to write, with just reading its fine! |
| 07:21.58 | maebmij | GeorgeAScot1, there's some stuff in /proc/bus/usb (eg 'devices') - try there... |
| 07:22.10 | stoned | actually |
| 07:22.14 | stoned | you CAN write to ntfs |
| 07:22.17 | stoned | but not directly |
| 07:22.23 | streuner_ | GeorgeAScot1: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices might helpful |
| 07:22.30 | stoned | it takes a long route but eventually it works |
| 07:23.18 | ZEUGMA | Gnea: ip l showed eth5, then i reboot and it's eth6. etc. |
| 07:23.20 | ZEUGMA | how come??? |
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| 07:23.32 | zerodni | i use captive ntfs to wirte but your right you sould just need the kernal module or it compiled in to your kernel to read |
| 07:23.37 | pvd2006 | Gnea, what version of 2.6 should I get it goes all the way to 2.6.16 |
| 07:23.46 | stoned | install vmware trial server, create a virtual machine, if you have a copy of windows, install it, after installation, add another disk to the mix, give it raw access to ntfs partition, then let the windows in virtual machine write to xp. then just share that in windows, install samba on debian, and mount smbfs |
| 07:23.52 | Dabian | Is it true that its impossible to view the movie clips on mtv.com for sane people? |
| 07:23.57 | stoned | its like far fetched and assumes a lot of thigns |
| 07:24.04 | stoned | but hey, it works too I guess |
| 07:24.29 | zerodni | its been a long time since i used ntfs and windows |
| 07:24.45 | Gnea | pvd2006: 2.6.16 |
| 07:24.55 | maebmij | _ironic_, try with a line like this (just in case your options are messed up): /dev/hdb5 /media/windows2 ntfs defaults,umask=0000 0 1 |
| 07:24.55 | ZEUGMA | Gnea: ip l showed eth5, then i reboot and it's eth6. etc. |
| 07:25.00 | zerodni | but captive is a little easyer than that and suing up to a gig to write to ntfs is a little backwared |
| 07:25.00 | pvd2006 | gnea, I See its around 50megs, thats right? |
| 07:25.05 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: can you paste it? |
| 07:25.09 | zerodni | but good idea though |
| 07:25.10 | ZEUGMA | what should i do to make it always be eth0? |
| 07:25.11 | Gnea | pvd2006: yes. |
| 07:25.12 | GeorgeAScot1 | ok.. so it shows up in the listed devices.../proc/bus/usb/devices... what gives |
| 07:25.14 | pvd2006 | k thanks |
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| 07:25.34 | ZEUGMA | it simply says eth6: |
| 07:25.48 | ZEUGMA | and the same kind of lines as before |
| 07:25.49 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: but can you paste the output of that file to the web? |
| 07:25.58 | _ironic_ | maebmij, you r god |
| 07:26.14 | ZEUGMA | pasting again would require me to reboot into 2.6.10 again which has internet connection and scp the file to my other box |
| 07:26.23 | ZEUGMA | can't you give me any other hint to follow now? |
| 07:26.30 | Gnea | no, i cannot. |
| 07:26.39 | ZEUGMA | now we know that the card is detected but it's eth5, eth6... |
| 07:26.41 | Gnea | debating the issue will only take more time |
| 07:26.43 | _ironic_ | thx all ppl!!!!! |
| 07:26.48 | Dabian | ZEUGMA : What the heck is wrong with 2.6.10 anyhow? |
| 07:26.55 | ZEUGMA | ok, i write the file |
| 07:27.16 | Dabian | Is it true that its impossible to view the movie clips on mtv.com for sane people? |
| 07:27.16 | _ironic_ | it would be too much to ask for help to install the driver for my sound card |
| 07:27.18 | _ironic_ | xD |
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| 07:27.30 | _ironic_ | well ppl... |
| 07:27.31 | _ironic_ | im leaving |
| 07:27.49 | _ironic_ | its 4.20 am in argentina... and i must work today... bye |
| 07:27.57 | Gnea | later |
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| 07:28.12 | stoned | hehe |
| 07:28.14 | ZEUGMA | don't go Gnea |
| 07:28.18 | ZEUGMA | i'm going to have it done |
| 07:28.19 | Dabian | The MTV faq says you need Microsoft windows, mediaplayer and (what?) Internet Exploder |
| 07:28.20 | stoned | 4:20 |
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| 07:28.28 | Dabian | Explorer, even. |
| 07:28.38 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: i was saying by to _ironic_ |
| 07:28.45 | Gnea | er, bye |
| 07:28.47 | stoned | exploder |
| 07:28.50 | ZEUGMA | http://pastebin.com/744300 |
| 07:28.52 | ZEUGMA | here it is now |
| 07:28.55 | Dabian | Is it true that its impossible to view the movie clips on mtv.com for sane people? |
| 07:28.58 | Dabian | Gnea : You're much to sarcastic to be ironic IIRC. |
| 07:28.58 | stoned | I'll have to use that one |
| 07:29.01 | ZEUGMA | please have a look |
| 07:29.05 | Dabian | Gnea ;-) |
| 07:29.23 | Dabian | !sane people |
| 07:29.23 | dpkg | people is 26% sane! |
| 07:29.27 | ZEUGMA | i didn't need to reboot because i did ifconfig eth6 and route default gw... |
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| 07:29.48 | stoned | actually by the definition of sane/insane, all childred are insane |
| 07:29.49 | Dabian | !mtv |
| 07:29.49 | dpkg | methinks mtv is at http://www.mpegtv.com, or ftp://ftp.mpegtv.com/pub/mpeg/mpegtv/player/x86-unknown-linux-glibc/packages/DEB/, or an American cable TV channel that should have died circa 1990, or the key to a vast left-wing conspiracy to brainwash the american public |
| 07:29.51 | stoned | so are old peopl |
| 07:30.01 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: alright, so that were the only things in the list? there weren't any actual eth0, eth1, etc? |
| 07:30.09 | ZEUGMA | no |
| 07:30.13 | ZEUGMA | only these 3 entries |
| 07:30.14 | Gnea | ok |
| 07:30.17 | ZEUGMA | j |
| 07:30.22 | ZEUGMA | i only have 1 network card |
| 07:30.42 | Dabian | !factinfo mtv |
| 07:30.43 | dpkg | mtv -- last modified at Sat May 15 02:14:24 2004 by FieldySnuts!badger@fieldysnuts.registered; it has been requested 5 times, last by jlj_ at Sun Oct 23 15:04:19 2005. |
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| 07:31.21 | Dabian | So .. there used to be debs. |
| 07:31.24 | ZEUGMA | any idea of a next step? |
| 07:31.34 | Dabian | Say .. is anyone here using Debian GNU/Linux as their only operating system? |
| 07:31.44 | Dabian | I feel its getting intensively harder ... |
| 07:31.49 | simonrvn | 99.9999999% |
| 07:31.50 | protocol_ | Anybody here experiance with Linux LVM? |
| 07:32.11 | Supaplex | protocol_: many of us here do |
| 07:32.15 | SlammerXP | Dabian: i would think that's a certainty. |
| 07:32.21 | Dabian | Actually I am running MS-Windows on both my work computers. |
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| 07:32.34 | arooni | has anyone ever used 'gsoap'? |
| 07:32.34 | protocol_ | Great to know Supaplex |
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| 07:32.53 | Dabian | I would run Debian .. if I could run Internet Explorer in Debian. |
| 07:32.56 | tempo2k | Hi, I have a problem. When I send email with my server to say gmail it's labeled as spam, why? I use Exim 4.50 |
| 07:33.01 | SlammerXP | Dabian: you can. |
| 07:33.11 | protocol_ | Supaplex: So can you tell me how do I mount LVM drive? |
| 07:33.14 | simonrvn | Dabian: um, what? why? it's a hunk of crap |
| 07:33.14 | gdx | i was wondering if anyone knows where i can get libxinerama.so.1? |
| 07:33.16 | Dabian | SlammerXP : Right .. I can run win98 in QEMU or something.. |
| 07:33.20 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: hrm, looks like this is a known issue: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2006/04/msg00207.html |
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| 07:33.25 | simonrvn | it's called wine... |
| 07:33.28 | protocol_ | One of my drive is LVM. |
| 07:33.30 | simonrvn | !wine |
| 07:33.30 | dpkg | methinks wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 07:33.33 | SlammerXP | tempo2k: go check your log files. |
| 07:33.40 | Supaplex | !lvm |
| 07:33.40 | dpkg | lvm is probably at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
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| 07:33.49 | simonrvn | er, that's dead AFAIK |
| 07:33.49 | Dabian | simonrvn . Because I cannot work without internet explorer .. the websites we use exclusde all other browsers ... yes, ALL other browsers. |
| 07:33.51 | tempo2k | SlammerXP What log files? |
| 07:34.04 | protocol_ | When I mount: mount /dev/sda2 mountPoint/ |
| 07:34.05 | SlammerXP | tempo2k: for starters, the log files for exim, I would guess. |
| 07:34.08 | ZEUGMA | Gnea: so no solution for this? |
| 07:34.08 | simonrvn | Dabian: then you have stupid web "designers" |
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| 07:34.20 | Dabian | simonrvn : You can install Internet Explorer in Wine? |
| 07:34.24 | SlammerXP | simonrvn: that would be very unusual :) |
| 07:34.24 | protocol_ | It gives me error about wrong file types. |
| 07:34.33 | arooni | no one has used gsoap? its supposed to be built into debian |
| 07:34.34 | Dabian | simonrvn : (Last time I tried, it failed misrably) |
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| 07:34.46 | simonrvn | worked here last time i tried it |
| 07:34.47 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: dunno yet |
| 07:34.48 | tempo2k | SlammerXP What should I look for? The mail arrives so there nothing 'wrong' with exim. |
| 07:35.03 | Dabian | simonrvn : We don't have webdesigners .. its a company called Bluecubesoft. |
| 07:35.07 | SlammerXP | tempo2k: then there's something 'wrong' with gmail. email google and ask. |
| 07:35.09 | zam-aliphe | how to get all the c++ document ?? |
| 07:35.17 | Dabian | simonrvn : We use thier websites .. we have no choice. |
| 07:35.23 | Gnea | !dbugs 361936 |
| 07:35.23 | Zugschlus | Dabian: try configuring your browser to identify itself as IE. Outsmarts stupid browser switches |
| 07:35.26 | dpkg | DONE:#361936:N[linux-source-2.6.16] linux-source-2.6.16: inconsistent device detetion: eth0<=>eth1; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:18:02 UTC |
| 07:35.29 | protocol_ | Mounting LVM should be very easy, but I just don't know. |
| 07:35.30 | simonrvn | then they're stupid |
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| 07:35.46 | protocol_ | I tried to google for it, no real answer |
| 07:35.46 | simonrvn | do what Zugschlus said |
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| 07:36.01 | Dabian | Zugschlus : Might be a way .. however, I am not sure it would work .. they code all in activex and stuff, unless I am mistaken. |
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| 07:36.11 | tempo2k | When the email is sent from my server this Recevied row is attached, maybe google doesn't like that it's from localhost.localdomain? Received: from www-data by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.50)id 1FkIZm-0007uC-Ll for xxxxx@gmail.com; Sun, 28 May 2006 12:32:50 +0200 |
| 07:36.12 | protocol_ | They just talk about how to manage and to create LVM drives. |
| 07:36.17 | yipe | okay, debian boots now, but I get this weird keyboard error every so often |
| 07:36.20 | Zugschlus | Dabian: with activeX, you're lost anyway |
| 07:36.21 | pvd2006 | I am trying to sudo apt-get tk8.2 but it says "has no installation" |
| 07:36.39 | Dabian | Zugschlus : Hence, I run MS Windows. |
| 07:36.44 | pvd2006 | "has no installation canidate" |
| 07:36.49 | Dabian | Zugschlus : On my work computers. |
| 07:36.52 | yipe | it doesn't actually seem to cause any problems, it just prints an error in the middle of my typing, but that's ignored when I hit windows |
| 07:37.05 | protocol_ | Supaplex: you said many people here knows about LVM. |
| 07:37.11 | yipe | also, what's the name of the x-server package? |
| 07:37.21 | Dabian | protocol_: Who doesn't? |
| 07:37.37 | Supaplex | protocol_: they're not all awake, and I'm far too exausted to answer things I know are in the tutorial |
| 07:37.53 | tempo2k | SlammerXP What do you reckon? |
| 07:38.06 | Dabian | How do we fight MS Windows, so people stop using it, so websites gets sane? |
| 07:38.09 | zam-aliphe | how to get all man or help or what ever for c++ in debian ? |
| 07:38.31 | protocol_ | Supaplex: In tutorial, there are junk of things to read for a simplest answer. |
| 07:38.41 | Dabian | Let's face it, Microsoft uses billions of dollars speculating how to kill GNU/Linux ... |
| 07:38.42 | Zugschlus | Dabian: vmware ;) |
| 07:38.45 | SlammerXP | tempo2k: I reckon that you're asking the wrong people the wrong question. do you think we can hack into gmail and fix the problem for you? |
| 07:38.52 | yipe | I had to boot into FreeBSD to get here since apt won't give me irssi for some reason, and I can't get X to work either |
| 07:38.55 | SlammerXP | Dabian: let's face it, actually they don't. |
| 07:38.58 | Dabian | Zugschlus : vmware is another way to run ms windows. |
| 07:39.12 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: it looks like there's a fix linked from here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=361936 |
| 07:39.17 | tempo2k | No, I was asking if you think 'localhost.localdomain with local' is causing the problem? |
| 07:39.22 | Dabian | SlammerXP : You're very naive, my young padma. |
| 07:39.23 | arooni | come on, i know there's a soapy person here who uses gsoap.. ;p |
| 07:39.26 | SlammerXP | tempo2k: yes, or no. |
| 07:39.42 | tempo2k | What do you mean? |
| 07:39.44 | SlammerXP | tempo2k: why not change it and find out? |
| 07:39.58 | Dabian | tempo2k : He's a rouge. |
| 07:40.00 | ZEUGMA | how are fixes applied? |
| 07:40.09 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: by reading it. |
| 07:40.12 | tempo2k | Now we're getting somewhere... how do I do that? |
| 07:40.25 | tempo2k | I reconfigured it and didn't a option for changing it. |
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| 07:40.32 | Blackhold | good morning |
| 07:40.36 | SlammerXP | tempo2k: you use what's called a "search engine" and find the appropriate documentation. |
| 07:40.40 | pvd2006 | what is the name of the qt dev package? |
| 07:40.53 | protocol_ | Supaplex: What is the reason for this IRC if everybody has to read the tutorial for the simplest matter. |
| 07:40.53 | Gnea | apt-cache search qt dev |
| 07:40.55 | Gnea | that will tell you |
| 07:40.59 | SlammerXP | tempo2k: hint: you'll want to change the "primary hostname" |
| 07:41.14 | Gnea | protocol_: so that we don't have to re-explain something that's already been solved. |
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| 07:41.24 | Dabian | Zugschlus : If you need vmware to run emulated windows .. why not run "real windows" where you can play games and use the full potential of the machine and don't have to pay for vmware license or become criminal, on top of paying for win xp? vmware is not the |
| 07:41.29 | protocol_ | If you guys know the answer, why don't you share. |
| 07:41.35 | Supaplex | protocol_: I don't know your answer at present. sorry I said anything. |
| 07:41.40 | Supaplex | I DON'T KNOW |
| 07:41.45 | Dabian | Zugschlus : vmware is not the answer, vmware is a work around. |
| 07:41.47 | tempo2k | SlammerXP I think I've already done that. |
| 07:41.52 | Gnea | protocol_: this channel has its own protocol for doing things. |
| 07:42.36 | protocol_ | Supaplex: ya that explains it. |
| 07:42.36 | Blackhold | could some one give me some help? -> I have a wireless working on a ubuntu dapper, I looked the modules and are charged the same as I have in debian, but in debian I only need that the system recognises the wireless as a wireless nor an other network card, what could be the problem? |
| 07:42.36 | arooni | ok fine, i soaped myself |
| 07:42.36 | protocol_ | Supaplex: Thanks |
| 07:42.36 | tempo2k | Dabian I'm the rouge? |
| 07:42.36 | arooni | no one cares about soap here :( |
| 07:42.36 | Zugschlus | Dabian: agreed, yes. |
| 07:42.36 | Dabian | tempo2k : No. |
| 07:42.37 | SlammerXP | prock: because spoonfeeding people information inevitably results in people coming back here to ask every damn silly question they think of. |
| 07:42.37 | tempo2k | Well I am! |
| 07:42.37 | Gnea | protocol_: and that's the way linux has ALWAYS been - if a howto exists, read it and follow it. that's just how it's always been. much easier that way. |
| 07:42.37 | Zugschlus | (for me, windows as main workstation OS is just too painful) |
| 07:42.37 | SlammerXP | err |
| 07:42.38 | SlammerXP | protocol_: because spoonfeeding people information inevitably results in people coming back here to ask every damn silly question they think of. |
| 07:42.39 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell Blackhold about ubuntu |
| 07:42.39 | arooni | why are there like 6 linux distros? |
| 07:42.47 | Gnea | protocol_: remember, this is linux, not windows |
| 07:42.52 | SlammerXP | arooni: there aren't, there are dozens and dozens. |
| 07:42.55 | Gnea | arooni: 6? you mean 6,000? |
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| 07:42.59 | Zugschlus | arooni: because there is more than one way to do it |
| 07:43.03 | quitte_ | protocol_: also if you learn how to read stuff yourself you will learn more. this channel is not for handholding. |
| 07:43.09 | Supaplex | protocol_: and for reference, I said IF I remember correctly. It's too bad the tutorial didn't work out for you. i remember searching mailing lists and the sort to. best of luck. (and yes, if I knew, I'd be direct with it) |
| 07:43.12 | Vasistha | SlammerXP: I like to give people the information they need while teaching them, so they really understand what they're doing, and can learn it, and perhaps even expand upon it |
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| 07:43.27 | Dabian | Zugschlus : Me 2 .. but on work .. I have no alternative ... too little ram to run vmware on top of all other applications. Privately .. I just surfed today .. lots of sites I cannot watch with firefox in GNU/Linux .. I tried to install an activeX plugin .. no avail.. |
| 07:43.31 | SlammerXP | Vasistha: i like to help people to help themselves. |
| 07:43.36 | arooni | see that's what makes it hard, if applications installed as easily from one distro to the next, and you could write one linux app taht would work for all distros, i think more people would use it |
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| 07:43.48 | Dabian | Zugschlus : This is new to me .. i used to be able to watch every interesting site. |
| 07:43.53 | Vasistha | SlammerXP: yeah... I've definitely been known to say rtfm, gtfw |
| 07:43.56 | protocol_ | Supaplex: Thanks a lot for a positive attitude. |
| 07:43.57 | sep | Dabian, pages that require activex is just not worth visiting. |
| 07:44.03 | Dabian | My computer has been broken only for a few month. |
| 07:44.18 | protocol_ | Supaplex: I tried to dig down for it. |
| 07:44.32 | Dabian | sep : It used to be like that .. now I cannot even watch movie clips for x-men 3 without IE it seems. (Well, some of them, but a lot I cannot) |
| 07:44.33 | Blackhold | Zugschlus: is not ubuntu, is debian where I have the problem, I only want to know what software I have to install into the debian (etch) to could administrate the wireless, that was an introduction to say that wireless is alright configured, but only is missing some software |
| 07:44.36 | rohan | using the "!current alsa fix" i got libsound2-dev broken .. and now apt doesnt do anything till i fix it, and fixing it means i lose my sound .. now what i am thinking is, do i downgrade libasound2-dev too, so that apt would atleast let me upgrade ? would that be the proper solution, or is there some other Debian Way (tm) ? |
| 07:44.47 | protocol_ | Supaplex: I thought it might be simple command, I just don't know it. That's why I asked in here. |
| 07:44.52 | Vasistha | SlammerXP: at the same time, when someone just wants to mount a usb flash drive, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbflash is soo easy, and actually suprisingly difficult to figure out |
| 07:44.53 | Supaplex | protocol_: Have I disturbed you? |
| 07:45.06 | protocol_ | Supaplex: Not at all. |
| 07:45.33 | sep | Dabian, i woudnt call viewing xmen trailes a requiered functionalitly. and many other pages do it weel without activex so use those. |
| 07:45.42 | Supaplex | good. :) I hope you didn't read me wrong. Maybe you can teach dpkg a new trick when you find the answer. |
| 07:45.43 | Dabian | !mtv is also (The link is now obsolete - mtv seems to support dominans of Microsoft) |
| 07:45.43 | dpkg | okay, Dabian |
| 07:45.45 | quitte_ | f/ |
| 07:46.34 | Dabian | I am seriously thinking I should consider skipping my computers, and get a new hobby. |
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| 07:46.47 | tempo2k | SlammerXP when I run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config the only thing that I see that looks like it would change 'localhost.localdomain' is the system mail name and that is already set to my domain. |
| 07:46.56 | Dabian | Maybe even get a new job? |
| 07:47.02 | protocol_ | SlammerXP: If the answer to my question is like spoonfeeding, it means you know the answer and it's too easy. |
| 07:47.11 | SlammerXP | protocol_: correct. |
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| 07:47.35 | protocol_ | SlammerXP: So what is the answer? |
| 07:47.36 | Dabian | Whats your opinion .. is Debian and GNU/Linux dying? |
| 07:47.37 | GeorgeAScot1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.42 | SlammerXP | tempo2k: i've told you that you need to check the docs. i've even told you _what_ you have to look for. |
| 07:47.43 | yipe | debian is making me insane! |
| 07:47.56 | GeorgeAScot1 | and i have to change the permissions of it everytime.. why |
| 07:47.58 | tarzeau | Dabian: man it's monday morning\ |
| 07:48.08 | SlammerXP | protocol_: what's the question? |
| 07:48.09 | rohan | tarzeau: i hope you did !popcon ? |
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| 07:48.14 | sep | yipe, huh somedasy it seams debian is the only reason i keep my sanity.. :) |
| 07:48.23 | protocol_ | SlammerXP: Ya now you come to the point |
| 07:48.25 | rohan | is there a way to get a package url directly using the bot dpkg ? |
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| 07:48.28 | yipe | X won't work, I can't get apt to give me irssi, my keyboard gives me errors at random intervals |
| 07:48.36 | protocol_ | You didn't know anything what I was talking about. |
| 07:48.38 | rohan | because my apt is broken, and i dont know how to hunt otherwise |
| 07:48.40 | tarzeau | rohan: yep |
| 07:48.46 | rohan | i want olderversion of package libasound2-dev |
| 07:48.47 | Supaplex | http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2005-02/msg00210.html sweet <3 for dhcp-client-identifier :) |
| 07:48.48 | yipe | the irssi one takes the cake though, I can't even get help from within debian |
| 07:48.48 | tarzeau | rohan: apt-get install can do that |
| 07:48.53 | tarzeau | rohan: --print-uris |
| 07:48.57 | sep | !pdo |
| 07:48.57 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 07:49.04 | protocol_ | SlammerXP: you just throw some text. |
| 07:49.07 | Dabian | tarzeau : Well .. I am pessimistic.. You cannot buy a hi-end computer today and run only free software .. |
| 07:49.12 | SlammerXP | protocol_: you asked why people here get told to refer to howtos etc, I answered that question already. |
| 07:49.13 | ZEUGMA | Gnea: i don't understand this solution: http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#example-iface |
| 07:49.13 | rohan | tarzeau: well, apt is broken because of "!current alsa fix" |
| 07:49.16 | tarzeau | Dabian: yes you can |
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| 07:49.21 | sep | rohan, how did you manage to break apt ? |
| 07:49.26 | tarzeau | Dabian: but not debian because they ship crap kernels |
| 07:49.28 | protocol_ | That wasn't my question. |
| 07:49.33 | tarzeau | rohan: pity |
| 07:49.41 | rohan | sep: using !current alsa fix |
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| 07:49.53 | rohan | libasound2-dev: Depends: libasound2 (= 1.0.11-5) but 1.0.11-4 is installed |
| 07:49.59 | Dabian | tarzeau : Well .. if you accept the performance of a much inferior computer you might .. and you accept that you cannot utilize your motherboard. |
| 07:50.02 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: okay, you'd want to do something like this then: KERNEL=="eth*", SYSFS{address}=="00:52:8b:d5:04:48", NAME="lan" |
| 07:50.10 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: except, make it like this.... |
| 07:50.17 | ZEUGMA | where do i write this line? |
| 07:50.19 | dli | rohan, that doesn't mean apt is broken |
| 07:50.23 | protocol_ | SlammerXP: Don't answer anything which you don't know. |
| 07:50.28 | tarzeau | Dabian: no. the only non-free thing you need is the nvidia video driver |
| 07:50.40 | Blackhold | what is the software to control the wireless conections, please... |
| 07:50.45 | sep | rohan, that just dl a .deb file. and woudnt break anything |
| 07:50.46 | rohan | dli: yes, but apt wont do anything unless i fix it |
| 07:50.48 | tarzeau | Dabian: your own kernel and your own packages for mplayer, enblend, lame, hugin... |
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| 07:50.50 | SlammerXP | protocol_: do you have some kind of filter that distorts what I type? |
| 07:50.51 | Dabian | tarzeau : The nforce4 chipset isn't even fully supported by binary drivers .. the onboard firewall can only be controlled on a microsoft platform, afaik. |
| 07:50.51 | rohan | sep: yes |
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| 07:51.05 | sep | rohan, dont tell me you use --force :) |
| 07:51.06 | rohan | so, as i said above, is the best reolution just downgrading libasound2-dev also ? |
| 07:51.09 | tarzeau | Dabian: who the fuck needs the piece of shit onboard nvidia fucking firewall? |
| 07:51.10 | quitte | onboard firewall??? |
| 07:51.17 | rohan | sep: no, i hate --force :D |
| 07:51.17 | Dabian | tarzeau : I am not sure if you can get both lan cards onboard working. |
| 07:51.17 | tarzeau | quitte: some nvidia bullshit |
| 07:51.18 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: KERNEL=="eth*", SYSFS{address}=="00:00:B4:44:A1:C0", NAME="eth0" |
| 07:51.23 | SlammerXP | <protocol_> If you guys know the answer, why don't you share. |
| 07:51.24 | SlammerXP | <SlammerXP> protocol_: because spoonfeeding people information inevitably results in people coming back here to ask every damn silly question they think of. |
| 07:51.28 | quitte | tarzeau: a hardware firewall? |
| 07:51.29 | tarzeau | Dabian: yeah nvidia network cards suck |
| 07:51.42 | _ironic_ | hi ppl... |
| 07:51.43 | Dabian | quitte : nforce4 chipset for hi end gaming motherboards have firewall in the motherboard. |
| 07:51.43 | tarzeau | Dabian: and the linux driver and the nvidia linux driver suck too, because they are buggy |
| 07:51.47 | tarzeau | Dabian: if you use PXE |
| 07:51.52 | tarzeau | Dabian: and freebsd doesn't support them |
| 07:51.56 | protocol_ | SlammerXP: I did not ask any damn silly question, got it? |
| 07:51.59 | tarzeau | quitte: i have no idea but it's crap |
| 07:52.02 | quitte | wow what a useless piece of crap |
| 07:52.05 | _ironic_ | quick question: modprobe should be installed or i have to install it? |
| 07:52.09 | ZEUGMA | KERNEL isn't a command |
| 07:52.11 | ZEUGMA | command not found |
| 07:52.26 | SlammerXP | protocol_: you _asked_ _why_ _we_ _refer_ _people_ _to_ _the_ _docs_# |
| 07:52.33 | Dabian | tarzeau : If you want a top computer, you are bound to go either crossfire or nforce ... nforce is the better choice for GNU/Linux .. for performance. |
| 07:52.45 | _ironic_ | i tried this, ironic@ironic:~$ modprobe grep snd-intel8x |
| 07:52.49 | sep | ZEUGMA, read again what he told you and type it exactly, not aproximatly |
| 07:52.51 | tarzeau | Dabian: i also use windows |
| 07:52.59 | Dabian | tarzeau : You? |
| 07:53.03 | Gnea | !rules |
| 07:53.03 | dpkg | methinks rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 07:53.05 | _ironic_ | but doesn't recognize modprobe as a command |
| 07:53.06 | Dabian | tarzeau : At work? |
| 07:53.06 | tarzeau | Dabian: yes me. because linux sucks so much |
| 07:53.15 | ZEUGMA | i don't understand what file i should edit to put that line :( |
| 07:53.21 | protocol_ | SlammerXP: That was the thing I said related to my question. |
| 07:53.23 | _ironic_ | lol |
| 07:53.23 | tarzeau | Dabian: no at home, at work i've got linux (i can also use mac os x or windows, but i don't need that at work) |
| 07:53.26 | _ironic_ | wasn't root |
| 07:53.30 | Dabian | tarzeau : I cannot stand windows ... I could use it for gaming only .. privately. |
| 07:53.32 | tarzeau | Dabian: you know, www.linuks.mine.nu/flicker.png |
| 07:53.40 | protocol_ | Because nobody seem to know the answer to my question. |
| 07:53.41 | tarzeau | Dabian: webcam and other hardware |
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| 07:54.00 | tarzeau | Dabian: yeah linux doesn't have the games that windows does. nor does it have itunes |
| 07:54.07 | rohan | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libdevel/libasound2-dev |
| 07:54.07 | Dabian | tarzeau : I am talking about microsoft windows .. not windows in buildings. :-) |
| 07:54.09 | tarzeau | Dabian: and all thise gnome and kde shit is making me sick |
| 07:54.14 | tarzeau | Dabian: me too |
| 07:54.17 | rohan | grr.r. even this doesnt give a direct link to the deb :-/ |
| 07:54.18 | sep | if i could play renegade on linux, i would need to have a dualboot windows at home. |
| 07:54.25 | tarzeau | Dabian: not www.linuks.mine.nu/windows.jpg |
| 07:54.27 | rohan | well, lol, it does |
| 07:54.28 | SlammerXP | protocol_: why don't you use gentoo? or ubuntu? I hear those distros are better than gentoo, and I promise I will never ever be on the IRC channels for either of those distros. |
| 07:54.40 | SlammerXP | better than debian, I mean |
| 07:54.45 | _ironic_ | how do i recompile the kernel? (i got downloaded it) |
| 07:54.55 | Dabian | tarzeau : I tend to use either gnome or windowmaker. |
| 07:54.56 | SlammerXP | _ironic_: did you read the kernel HOWTO? |
| 07:55.07 | tarzeau | protocol_: people in here are not forced to help , no matter if they know or don't the answer |
| 07:55.11 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: it should be in /sys/devices/ in one of the pnp directories |
| 07:55.11 | rohan | hmm.. where do i find old versions of packages ? |
| 07:55.15 | ZEUGMA | vinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0/ looking at class device '/sys/class/net/eth0': KERNEL=="eth*", SYSFS{address}=="00:00:B4:44:A1:C0", NAME="eth0" |
| 07:55.17 | pvd2006 | hey Gnea, I am to the part where I am in the graphical interface setting the options for the kernel, it says there is suppose to be a help button by each option so ill know what it is but I dont see any. |
| 07:55.20 | tarzeau | _ironic_: read the docs? |
| 07:55.22 | ZEUGMA | udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0/ looking at class device '/sys/class/net/eth0': KERNEL=="eth*", SYSFS{address}=="00:00:B4:44:A1:C0", NAME="eth0" |
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| 07:55.25 | _ironic_ | sry... |
| 07:55.29 | ZEUGMA | is this what i have to type in my case |
| 07:55.29 | tarzeau | _ironic_: or use !make-kpkg |
| 07:55.33 | ZEUGMA | that is my mac address |
| 07:55.57 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: ok |
| 07:56.06 | ZEUGMA | but that's just an info command |
| 07:56.10 | ZEUGMA | i guess that didn't save anything |
| 07:56.18 | Gnea | pvd2006: using what command to get there? |
| 07:56.20 | protocol_ | tarzeau: Ya I know, but people here knowing the answer, making confused to the answer is not good. |
| 07:56.28 | _ironic_ | dpkg is helping me!. thx, and sorry! |
| 07:56.31 | Dabian | !mtv is also (Never mind the last comment .. I confused mtv with mtv) |
| 07:56.32 | dpkg | okay, Dabian |
| 07:56.48 | pvd2006 | im in qconf graphical kernel configuration tool for linux |
| 07:56.49 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: yeah, that'll tell you what path the file is at |
| 07:56.51 | pvd2006 | gnea |
| 07:56.57 | Dabian | !mtv |
| 07:56.57 | dpkg | i heard mtv is at http://www.mpegtv.com, or ftp://ftp.mpegtv.com/pub/mpeg/mpegtv/player/x86-unknown-linux-glibc/packages/DEB/, or an American cable TV channel that should have died circa 1990, or the key to a vast left-wing conspiracy to brainwash the american public, or (The link is now obsolete - mtv seems to support dominans of Microsoft), or (Never mind the last comment .. I confused mtv with mtv) |
| 07:56.59 | protocol_ | tarzeau: I gues most people here know one sentence "Refer to the Docs" |
| 07:57.30 | ZEUGMA | so what's the file to edit? |
| 07:57.33 | protocol_ | It's just wasting of time. |
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| 07:57.46 | sep | dpkg no mtv is http://www.mpegtv.com, or ftp://ftp.mpegtv.com/pub/mpeg/mpegtv/player/x86-unknown-linux-glibc/packages/DEB/, or an American cable TV channel that should have died circa 1990, or the key to a vast left-wing conspiracy to brainwash the american public |
| 07:57.46 | dpkg | okay, sep |
| 07:58.13 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: i don't know, whichever "looking at device '/something': says |
| 07:58.20 | Dabian | tarzeau : So I should get rid of debian, and try windows XP (or 95 or vista or whatever) instead? |
| 07:58.30 | tarzeau | Dabian: xp |
| 07:58.32 | Gnea | good, one less shitty attitude to deal with |
| 07:58.36 | ZEUGMA | udevinfo by itself shows nothing |
| 07:58.42 | Gnea | of course not |
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| 07:58.47 | ZEUGMA | i do udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0/ |
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| 07:58.55 | ZEUGMA | and it doesn't show any file in particular |
| 07:59.15 | Dabian | tarzeau : Why do you run linux if it suck so much? |
| 07:59.19 | Gnea | try eth6 |
| 07:59.26 | ZEUGMA | http://pastebin.com/744322 |
| 07:59.29 | ZEUGMA | this is what it shows |
| 07:59.40 | ZEUGMA | now it's eth6 but if i reboot it will be eth7 |
| 07:59.41 | ZEUGMA | :( |
| 07:59.44 | ZEUGMA | i don't know what to do |
| 07:59.48 | pvd2006 | Gnea, I guess the help is the description of the package right |
| 08:00.07 | Gnea | pvd2006: i don't know, i don't use qconf, i just make menuconfig |
| 08:00.23 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: step away from the computer and relax for a bit |
| 08:00.39 | ZEUGMA | i need to have the network up |
| 08:00.42 | pvd2006 | does make menuconfig have help? |
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| 08:00.46 | ZEUGMA | do you understand what that page means? |
| 08:00.49 | Gnea | pvd2006: yes. |
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| 08:01.04 | Dabian | Heh .. got him! |
| 08:01.05 | ZEUGMA | do you know if a file needs to be edited or just a command issued? |
| 08:01.10 | ZEUGMA | it's not clear |
| 08:01.11 | Dabian | :-P |
| 08:01.11 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: i don't know the answer right off the top of my head, and you're asking for too much too fast to get a proper answer. |
| 08:01.29 | covux | hi. is there a debian way of compiling/using latest alsa drivers (even with 2.6.x kernel)? i need it for a laptop. thanks for any hints. |
| 08:01.43 | ZEUGMA | it talks about rules but no idea where to insert that |
| 08:02.19 | arooni | does anyone use gsoap (handles soap/xml/http stuff) .. its included in debian, |
| 08:02.51 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: take a look at /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 08:03.16 | stoned | !dri |
| 08:03.16 | dpkg | dri is probably Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok |
| 08:03.21 | Dabian | !drm |
| 08:03.21 | dpkg | hmm... drm is a cool new video card feature in the 2.4 kernel -- http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Restrictions Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp |
| 08:03.29 | Gnea | which is basically what that other url is |
| 08:04.18 | Dabian | So .. noone uses gnu/linux exclusively anymore (save Richard, I hope). |
| 08:04.19 | Gnea | ZEUGMA: here, read this instead: http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#basics |
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| 08:04.40 | Gnea | Dabian: what? |
| 08:04.52 | Dabian | Gnea : Do you privately use any other OS than GNU/Linux ? |
| 08:05.00 | Gnea | Dabian: what's it to ya? |
| 08:05.06 | Dabian | Gnea : I thought so. |
| 08:05.16 | Gnea | i didn't say i did :) |
| 08:05.23 | Dabian | Gnea : Well, do you? |
| 08:05.26 | Gnea | all of my systems have debian on them. |
| 08:05.34 | Gnea | Dabian: and i'm asking you: why do you want to know? |
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| 08:05.49 | Dabian | Gnea : I want to know if I am the last moricane. |
| 08:05.57 | Gnea | wtf is a moricane? |
| 08:05.57 | Dabian | (Save Richard of course) |
| 08:06.08 | Dabian | Gnea : Dunno what its called in english .. some indian tribe) |
| 08:06.17 | Dabian | There was a book and a movie. |
| 08:06.19 | Dabian | long ago. |
| 08:06.31 | Gnea | well, heh, you better get a clear definition up, otherwise we're gonna have words |
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| 08:06.53 | Dabian | Its about this indian tribe getting extinguised, I guess. |
| 08:07.06 | tralala | mohicane |
| 08:07.12 | Dabian | My point is, maybe I am the last person running only GNU/Linux privately (save Richard). |
| 08:07.13 | tralala | or ch |
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| 08:08.00 | tralala | Dabian: by far you're not (I did save rms already). |
| 08:08.02 | SlammerXP | pointed |
| 08:08.08 | Dabian | Gnea : I guess my question is if you ever run Microsoft Windows on any of your private (virtual) computers? |
| 08:08.21 | Dabian | tralala : Who else? |
| 08:08.31 | ytrewq | Hi, I installed exim 4.5 recently and when I send an email to my gmail it gets labeled as spam, why? Does it have something to do with that my 'Recevied' looks like this? Received: from www-data by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FkIZm-0007uC-Ll for xxxxx@gmail.com; Sun, 28 May 2006 12:32:50 +0200 |
| 08:08.37 | DimmuR | i've debian for 3 years (unstable) and i install lots of programs (debs / sources), ofter recompile kernel etc - is it reasonable to reinstall all system once for some time or is it simplier way to remove unwanted files (other than deborphan) ? |
| 08:08.38 | Gnea | Dabian: millions of people run GNU/Linux privately. |
| 08:08.45 | Dabian | I know my father do .. but that doesn't count, since his wife runs Microsoft Windows 98SE. |
| 08:08.56 | Dabian | Gnea : I know that. .. but exclusively? |
| 08:08.58 | Gnea | Dabian: i have before, yes |
| 08:09.10 | SlammerXP | ytrewq: changing your nick does not mean you'll get a different answer. |
| 08:09.31 | SlammerXP | ytrewq: if gmail is marking your messages as spam then you need to talk to gmail about it. |
| 08:09.33 | ytrewq | What, I thought this was another server...? |
| 08:09.38 | Dabian | ytrewq : I am going to bat you on the ding dong! |
| 08:09.39 | tralala | Dabian: None of mine 4 personaly computers has anything else but debian. |
| 08:09.44 | Dabian | !cluebat ytrewq |
| 08:09.46 | Zugschlus | ytrewq: try using your ISPs smarthost |
| 08:10.19 | ytrewq | Sorry for the doublepost, I thought this was a completely diffirent server... |
| 08:10.27 | Dabian | tralala : OK .. so that makes two of us (though I only have 4 computers .. hmm .. sorry). |
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| 08:11.17 | rohan | whats the place to find old debian pkgs ? i want "libasound2-dev_1.0.11-4_i386.deb" |
| 08:11.32 | rohan | it would be great if someone had that deb on their hdd and passed it to me :) |
| 08:11.44 | tarzeau | Dabian: because of the command line |
| 08:11.46 | streuner | rohan: testing has a version, IIRC |
| 08:11.53 | tarzeau | Dabian: and some software |
| 08:11.55 | rohan | streuner: would that work on unstable ? |
| 08:12.00 | Gnea | Dabian: not in over 9 years. |
| 08:12.03 | tarzeau | Dabian: but then i also run gnu/kfreebsd |
| 08:12.16 | SlammerXP | BURB THE EVIL ONE! |
| 08:12.17 | covux | rohan: did you look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 08:12.20 | streuner | rohan: well, libasound2 works at least, no idea if the -dev package work |
| 08:12.20 | Dabian | Grrrr .. it probably was a different server, you ignorant ytrewq - did it ever occur to you to read the rfc1574? hmm .. I forgot the number of the RFC! |
| 08:12.20 | SlammerXP | err BURN, too |
| 08:12.34 | tralala | Dabian: Unfortunately I have to use windows at work but plenty of others are spared the "pleasure" and run linux exclusively everywhere. |
| 08:12.43 | streuner | rohan: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 08:12.57 | rohan | covux: ofcourse .. i run autoclean after every dist-upgrade so tht pkg got wiped out |
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| 08:13.11 | Dabian | tralala : I used to run GNU/Linux exlusively .. that is I had an extra computer at work running microsoft windows to test. |
| 08:13.31 | Dabian | tarzeau : I fear you have lost your mind. |
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| 08:13.41 | streuner | heh |
| 08:13.41 | tempo2k | Zugschlus ISP smarthost, what's that? |
| 08:13.55 | streuner | !smarthost |
| 08:13.55 | dpkg | from memory, smarthost is an SMTP relay. Mail-Administrator-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
| 08:14.13 | streuner | its the SMTP server of your ISP |
| 08:14.21 | rohan | libasound2-dev_1.0.11-6_i386.deb ---> this is out already, great |
| 08:14.26 | streuner | or any other which work |
| 08:14.51 | tempo2k | Oh so I should sent my email to my ISP which then should send it to gmail? |
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| 08:14.58 | streuner | yes |
| 08:15.02 | tarzeau | Dabian: really, i haven't |
| 08:15.43 | tempo2k | There is an option 'dc_smarthost', should I change that to my ISP's smtp server? |
| 08:16.09 | streuner | tempo2k: or you follow the advice of SlammerXP and talk to gmail in order to remove your SMTP server from blacklist there |
| 08:16.32 | rohan | awwww... now kdelibs is broken in sid |
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| 08:16.34 | Dabian | tarzeau . I am glad to hear it. :-) |
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| 08:16.45 | rohan | strange :-/ |
| 08:16.50 | tempo2k | Well, isn't my SMTP server localhost.localdomain right now? Received: from www-data by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.50) |
| 08:17.03 | rohan | can someone confirm that kdelibs is held back, by apt on sid, for me ? |
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| 08:17.26 | streuner | rohan: nothing strange :-/ |
| 08:17.33 | rohan | hehe, streuner, yes |
| 08:17.42 | streuner | rohan: you are running unstable and unstable is unstable. |
| 08:17.52 | rohan | but still, i want to make sure its not something wrong from my side .. |
| 08:18.01 | cheal | rohan: how can we confirm stuff that happens on your system? |
| 08:18.03 | tralala | !streuner++ |
| 08:18.16 | rohan | cheal: thats what i wanted to ask .. does it happen on all sid systems ? |
| 08:18.18 | rohan | or just mine ? |
| 08:18.27 | streuner | rohan: BTS |
| 08:18.37 | rohan | awww.. ok |
| 08:18.41 | cheal | rohan: why would it happen on all sid systems? |
| 08:18.42 | tempo2k | streuner...? |
| 08:19.01 | streuner | tempo2k: sorry, can't help with exim |
| 08:19.02 | rohan | cheal: why would it not ? its being held back, here |
| 08:19.09 | rohan | kdelibs: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.3-1) but 4:3.5.2-2+b1 is to be installed |
| 08:19.19 | rohan | is that not something that would happen on all sid systems / |
| 08:19.58 | tarzeau | !eaw |
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| 08:20.13 | tempo2k | No, I was just wondering, you said I should ask gmail to remove my blacklisted SMTP server, isnt my STMP server localhost.localdomain right now? |
| 08:20.15 | tarzeau | !midi |
| 08:20.15 | dpkg | it has been said that midi is MUSICAL INSTRUMENT DIGITAL INTERFACE, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
| 08:20.20 | tarzeau | !timidity |
| 08:20.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, timidity is a great midi player, using timidity-patches (gravis ultra sound) it sounds perfect, (try these switches too -in or -ig), grab few midis from http://www.classicgaming.com/tmk/midi.shtml or http://www.stardate.bc.ca/eawpatches/html/get_patches.htm |
| 08:20.38 | Zugschlus | tempo2k: http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ#head-48c5470f61731b8daae30fa0d7ef8dc175d92f07 |
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| 08:20.54 | zaki25 | hello everyone |
| 08:20.57 | Zugschlus | tempo2k: this is probably not your cause of grief, but your probable listing on a dial-up user list. User your ISP's smarthost |
| 08:21.33 | zaki25 | can you help me to capture the keyborad inputs i give to a remote terminal through telnet |
| 08:21.55 | arooni | gsoap: someone has done gsoap before... help! |
| 08:21.56 | tempo2k | Zugschlus I don't understand. What does "listing on a dial-up user list" mean? |
| 08:21.57 | streuner | !Zugschlus++ |
| 08:22.57 | streuner | tempo2k: 90 percent of all SPAM comes from dynamic IP's, so some big mail provider decides to just blacklist all of them. |
| 08:23.05 | zaki25 | #flood can you help me to capture the keyborad inputs i give to a remote terminal through telnet |
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| 08:23.19 | Zugschlus | streuner: why am I incremented? |
| 08:23.21 | zaki25 | can you help me to capture the keyborad inputs i give to a remote terminal through telnet |
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| 08:23.46 | tempo2k | streuner Okay but I have a permanent one plus a domain that I bought. |
| 08:23.48 | streuner | dpkg, Zugschlus karma |
| 08:24.01 | Zugschlus | streuner: and what has made me deserve the karma increase? |
| 08:24.09 | streuner | !karma Zugschlus |
| 08:24.09 | dpkg | zugschlus has karma of 1 |
| 08:24.10 | Zugschlus | tempo2k: what's your server's IP address? |
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| 08:24.18 | streuner | Zugschlus: why not? |
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| 08:24.27 | streuner | Zugschlus: it doesn't hurt ;-) |
| 08:24.36 | Zugschlus | streuner: yes, but I didn't do anything special |
| 08:24.41 | tempo2k | Zugschlus 82.183.164.125 |
| 08:24.46 | newjack | guys, if i'm getting a seg fault at boot, when it loads init...is there anything i can do to recover? |
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| 08:25.13 | streuner | Zugschlus: well, people decide if you get karma, not yourself :-) |
| 08:25.34 | zaki25 | can you help me to capture the keyborad inputs i give to a remote terminal through telnet |
| 08:25.43 | streuner | Zugschlus: and besides, you are the first one who complain about :-) |
| 08:25.44 | Zugschlus | tempo2k: looks good. Can you please send a test message to mh+tempo2k200605@zugschlus.de |
| 08:25.49 | Zugschlus | streuner: I ain't complaining |
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| 08:25.54 | arooni | gsoap: someone has done gsoap before... help! |
| 08:25.56 | streuner | ok |
| 08:26.13 | Gnea | arooni: try asking again in a few hours |
| 08:26.38 | tempo2k | Zugschlus okay, I use a php script to send mail, hold on. |
| 08:27.05 | streuner | Zugschlus: well, i hadn't an answer for the exim question and you answered the question, that was good enough for me. |
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| 08:27.57 | Zugschlus | streuner: well, thanks |
| 08:28.01 | streuner | np |
| 08:28.09 | tempo2k | Zugschlus, there, sent it. |
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| 08:29.01 | Zugschlus | tempo2k: Content analysis details: (0.9 points, 5.0 required) |
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| 08:29.30 | tempo2k | Zugschlus: is that like a spam filter? |
| 08:29.40 | Zugschlus | only thing that I see (but is not marked up by spamassassin) is the HELO localhost.localdomain, which can be remedied by the wiki link I quoted above |
| 08:29.45 | Firehand_Work | hi, is the installer of debian etch able to create and install onto a softraid-1 during the installation? |
| 08:29.50 | Zugschlus | tempo2k: that's a spamassassin 3.0.1 in default configuration |
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| 08:30.25 | Zugschlus | tempo2k: your broken EHLO is a minor thing, anybody filtering on this alone is not iterested in receiving e-mail. But you should fix it nevertheless |
| 08:30.51 | tempo2k | Zugschlus: in my /etc/hostname I have 'arnold' which is my local name for my server. Should I change that to my domain? |
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| 08:31.59 | Zugschlus | I have never fully understood where the localhost.localdomain stuff originates from |
| 08:32.24 | Eclipser | uh |
| 08:32.32 | khermans_ | what's the easiest way to set up a policy which allows a specific user to only communicate with localhost/ |
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| 08:32.38 | Eclipser | it's just generic name for localhost |
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| 08:36.23 | eps | just did a general update in sid and sound has died completely |
| 08:36.39 | eps | alsa throws up errors on the things I try to play and oss/esd just don't output anything |
| 08:37.28 | pvd2006 | if I enable ntfs write support while building a kernel is that asking for trouble? |
| 08:37.47 | eps | probably not |
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| 08:38.14 | Dabian | pvd2006 : Don't .. if you want write access ... install Microsoft Freaking Windowz. |
| 08:38.21 | apfel | What do you use to convert m4a to, say, mp3? |
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| 08:38.57 | SlammerXP | apfel: you don't. you encode and mp3 from either the original source, or from a losslessly compressed version. |
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| 08:39.07 | SlammerXP | encode an, I mean |
| 08:39.09 | Dabian | pvd2006 . NTFS has been an experimental filesystem for as long as I remember .. |
| 08:39.22 | Dabian | pvd2006 : At least write access has .. |
| 08:39.42 | tempo2k | Zugschlus: It works! I changed /etc/hostname and now it's in the Recevied header and the mail doens't get labeled as spam, thanks a lot!! |
| 08:40.03 | apfel | SlammerXP: You mean the resulting mp3 would be of poor quality? |
| 08:40.17 | SlammerXP | apfel: yes. |
| 08:40.32 | Zugschlus | tempo2k: your mail recipient is not interested in receiving e-mail. The spam filter is way too sensitive |
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| 08:42.03 | tempo2k | Zugschlus: What do you mean, my mail recipient isn't interested in receiving mail? |
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| 08:45.05 | SerajewelKS | tempo2k: he means that with a spam filter like he has, he's probably getting most of his legitimate mail filtered |
| 08:45.56 | SerajewelKS | chalcedony: do you have a question? |
| 08:45.57 | tempo2k | Okay, how do you make that out? =) |
| 08:46.06 | tempo2k | did |
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| 08:46.15 | chalcedony | SerajewelKS: yes if you know postgresqul ? |
| 08:46.31 | chalcedony | or anyone |
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| 08:46.50 | SerajewelKS | !tell chalcedony about ask |
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| 08:46.58 | eps | just did a general update in sid and sound has died completely ... any one aware of any issues? /dev/dsp has run away completely |
| 08:47.18 | SerajewelKS | tempo2k: because his mail filter is restricting hostnames, which by and large are not an indication of how "spammy" a message might be |
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| 08:48.42 | covux | eps: i can confirm that. i downgraded from libasound2_1.0.11-6 to libasound2_1.0.11-4 and sound works again |
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| 08:49.40 | eps | you wouldn't happen to have the deb would you? (I've completely forgottern how to roll back packages |
| 08:49.41 | eps | ) |
| 08:50.13 | SerajewelKS | chalcedony: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 08:50.21 | eps | bbs |
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| 08:51.28 | covux | eps: check if you have /var/cache/apt/archives/libasound2_1.0.11-4_i386.deb and install it via dpkg -i [path to package] |
| 08:52.19 | chalcedony | wb acronos :) |
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| 08:53.48 | apfel | What other text based mp3 players besides mp3blaster can you suggest? |
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| 08:54.22 | SerajewelKS | mpg123 |
| 08:54.46 | Phat32 | What's wrong with xmms? |
| 08:54.52 | acronos | I was just in #postgresql where my problem seems to fit better, however there is no one there to help. I used backports.org to install postgresql 8.1. The debian stable is 7.4. The install seems to have left off a few of the environment variables. I ended up with two copies of the database at some time. I can't start and restart the server because it says the postgresql.conf file is missing but it is looking in /var/lib/postgresql/ rather |
| 08:54.53 | acronos | than /etc/postgresql/ which is where the file is. Anyone willing to take a shot at this with me? |
| 08:54.57 | Eclipser | apfel, xmms2 |
| 08:55.54 | Eclipser | apfel, xmms2.sf.net |
| 08:56.02 | Phat32 | I have a problem with flash. Opening flash seems to lock up all of my browsers... |
| 08:56.10 | SerajewelKS | apfel: err, mpg321 (mpg123 is nonfree) |
| 08:56.24 | Phat32 | Can anyone point me in the right direction on this one? |
| 08:56.40 | apfel | Eclipser: Are you using it? |
| 08:56.43 | Eclipser | yes |
| 08:56.45 | Eclipser | I develop it |
| 08:56.48 | Phat32 | apfel: Have you tried xmms or beep media player? |
| 08:56.58 | Eclipser | Phat32, he said text based |
| 08:57.01 | Phat32 | ah |
| 08:57.13 | Phat32 | I use mplayer for that |
| 08:57.34 | Eclipser | I use xmms2 all the time |
| 08:57.37 | apfel | Eclipser: So my next question "Is it any good?" is superfluous then, I guess. ;) |
| 08:57.54 | Eclipser | apfel, :) |
| 08:57.57 | deadcat_ | text base try playmp3list |
| 08:58.16 | Phat32 | eww a deadcat |
| 08:58.43 | pvd2006 | Does tweaking out a kernel and taking the extra stuff you dont need out improve performance quite a bit on linux? |
| 08:58.50 | pvd2006 | and recompiling it for your system |
| 08:58.54 | deadcat_ | apfel: cplay also, but playmp3list is sooo simple to use |
| 08:59.07 | deadcat_ | pvd2006: no |
| 08:59.11 | jetscreamer | pvd2006: helps boot times at least |
| 08:59.13 | SerajewelKS | apfel: see mpd too |
| 08:59.25 | inetd | will SATAI drive work on a SATAII controller? |
| 08:59.32 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 08:59.37 | Phat32 | oh that reminds me I'd like to remove appletalk from my startup. it takes forever to finish loading |
| 08:59.44 | Phat32 | How can I do that? |
| 08:59.52 | SerajewelKS | Phat32: remove the package? |
| 09:00.03 | jetscreamer | nuke anything apple related :o |
| 09:00.06 | Phat32 | I don't want to remove it entirely |
| 09:00.09 | deadcat_ | Phat32: why the fuck would you install taht if you dont use it |
| 09:00.14 | SerajewelKS | Phat32: man update-rc.d |
| 09:00.16 | Phat32 | I didn't... |
| 09:00.24 | jetscreamer | Phat32: chmod -x /etc/init.d/something |
| 09:00.42 | apfel | Thanks all! I think I will try all of them |
| 09:00.59 | Phat32 | deadcat_, It was just there after I installed debian |
| 09:01.05 | jetscreamer | wtf does the v in vfat stand for anyway |
| 09:01.07 | deadcat_ | apfel: there are also the server/client player thing. but i dont see the point of those. |
| 09:01.15 | Eclipser | jetscreamer, very? |
| 09:01.22 | Phat32 | virtual? |
| 09:01.24 | deadcat_ | Phat32: if you dnot use it. remove it |
| 09:01.39 | Phat32 | deadcat_, what if a friend brings over a mac some day? |
| 09:01.54 | jetscreamer | friends don't let friends use macs? |
| 09:01.54 | deadcat_ | fuck him |
| 09:01.59 | Eclipser | deadcat_, xmms2 is a daemon, like mpd |
| 09:02.00 | Phat32 | uh |
| 09:02.18 | deadcat_ | apple can use some other stuff than appletalk |
| 09:02.40 | Phat32 | alright |
| 09:02.42 | deadcat_ | Phat32: i dont mean using your dick stupid |
| 09:02.50 | Phat32 | deadcat_, so then just apt-get remove it? |
| 09:02.52 | inetd | nobody knows if SATAI drive works on SATAII ? |
| 09:02.54 | deadcat_ | Phat32: yes |
| 09:03.05 | Phat32 | deadcat_, Just a joke... |
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| 09:03.15 | deadcat_ | i know. just a bad joke |
| 09:03.22 | Phat32 | terribly sorry |
| 09:03.36 | deadcat_ | predictable jokes are NOT funny |
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| 09:03.56 | Phat32 | funny is relative |
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| 09:04.12 | Eclipser | funny IS |
| 09:04.16 | Rahmadia | hai |
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| 09:04.46 | deadcat_ | Rahmadia: what up. havent seen you here in a while! |
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| 09:06.13 | Phat32 | deadcat_, Any ideas about what's causing my flash problem or how to fix it? |
| 09:06.25 | deadcat_ | what flash? |
| 09:06.30 | Phat32 | err |
| 09:06.31 | Phat32 | 7? |
| 09:06.37 | Phat32 | how can i check |
| 09:06.38 | deadcat_ | dont know |
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| 09:06.58 | SerajewelKS | flash can burn in hell |
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| 09:07.31 | Phat32 | SerajewelKS, yes, but until that day it's just going to keep locking up my browsers... |
| 09:07.47 | SerajewelKS | Phat32: uninstall it and it won't be able to lock up anything |
| 09:08.09 | Phat32 | What's the package name? I've tried looking for anything with the word flash in it. |
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| 09:08.17 | wut | whats a program i can apt-get to unrar files? |
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| 09:08.27 | SerajewelKS | Phat32: you might not have installed it via dpkg |
| 09:08.30 | SerajewelKS | wut: unrar |
| 09:08.30 | chealer9 | !tell wut about unrar |
| 09:08.56 | jetscreamer | try rar -x |
| 09:09.17 | Phat32 | SerajewelKS, what do I do? |
| 09:09.32 | jetscreamer | come to think of it, why the fuck is there an unrar if there is rar -x |
| 09:09.32 | SerajewelKS | Phat32: find the flash .so and nuke it? |
| 09:09.43 | Phat32 | oh god |
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| 09:10.17 | SerajewelKS | Phat32: you might have flashplugin-nonfree installed |
| 09:10.17 | jetscreamer | 'nobody knows' |
| 09:10.29 | SerajewelKS | !info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:10.32 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.63.3 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 09:10.38 | Phat32 | SerajewelKS, Yeah I think I do. Is that what's causing it? |
| 09:10.54 | SerajewelKS | Phat32: if by "causing it" you mean "has installed flash on your system" then yes |
| 09:11.04 | Phat32 | lol |
| 09:11.22 | SerajewelKS | Phat32: purge it and see if it removes flash |
| 09:11.30 | Phat32 | trying |
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| 09:11.54 | chealer9 | jetscreamer: because there's no free rar? |
| 09:12.04 | SerajewelKS | chealer9: unrar is nonfree |
| 09:12.20 | chealer9 | SerajewelKS: except unrar-free |
| 09:12.30 | SerajewelKS | chealer9: which is mostly useless since it doesn't do rar 3 |
| 09:12.59 | chealer9 | SerajewelKS: isn't rar mostly useless anyway? |
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| 09:13.53 | jetscreamer | no rar rocks when it comes to splitting the file |
| 09:13.58 | jetscreamer | zip is dum that way |
| 09:14.28 | jetscreamer | and then why do you think they call it wrarez |
| 09:14.51 | jetscreamer | (yuk yuk yuk) |
| 09:15.17 | Phat32 | SerajewelKS, this is so lame. I have tis flash chat applet on a website and that is won't load correctly but I've just viewed several other flash files on random sites and they all work fine. |
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| 09:15.39 | jetscreamer | might be flash 8? |
| 09:15.40 | Phat32 | the flash chat works great on windows xp sp2 |
| 09:15.53 | jetscreamer | iirc flash 8 isn't suported |
| 09:15.58 | jetscreamer | or some 8 thing |
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| 09:16.04 | lewis | say you had a sarge debian box on for 2 years, then all of a sudden, all of the services stopped responding (i.e. SSH/apache), but you could still ping the box, what conclusions would you come to? |
| 09:16.16 | Phat32 | jetscreamer, I just went to http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/underworldevolution/ it's flash 8 and works great |
| 09:17.24 | debian | lewis: I can conclude with confidence that there's no conclusion. |
| 09:17.28 | jetscreamer | that the virtual part of the virtual server died? |
| 09:17.41 | lewis | it wasn't a virtual server |
| 09:17.54 | jetscreamer | well then maybe i wouldn't conclude that after all |
| 09:18.12 | Phat32 | lewis, Can you get physical access to it? |
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| 09:18.27 | sep | lewis, if you wanted wild guesses with no strings attached to reality we could guess that the box was very busy with other things and load was so high that services stopped responding. |
| 09:18.38 | sep | lewis, but without access all you can do is guess. |
| 09:18.41 | lewis | not at the moment, nope. I tried SMTP, and it would connect then immediately disconnect. |
| 09:18.53 | lewis | I then got it rebooted, and it hasn't come up. |
| 09:19.34 | Phat32 | lewis, maybe is was attacked |
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| 09:20.11 | dobbyX | is there in debian a command like chkconfig to add a init script like in redhat? |
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| 09:20.21 | SerajewelKS | dobbyX: update-rc.d |
| 09:20.46 | dobbyX | ok thanks i'll man it :) |
| 09:23.01 | SerajewelKS | Phat32: flash is a proprietary piece of shit that is mostly used for ads |
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| 09:26.01 | lewis | is there anything, other than high load, which would cause services to stop responding, but ping to work, i.e. kernel crash or something? |
| 09:26.31 | SerajewelKS | lewis: DoS maybe |
| 09:27.02 | Dabian | lewis : Lack of virtual memory. |
| 09:27.14 | chealer9 | lewis: kernel crash, yeah |
| 09:27.19 | jana | hi |
| 09:27.28 | Dabian | lewis : the TCP/IP stack collapsing. |
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| 09:27.44 | lewis | though rebooting should fix 'lack of virtual memory' and 'kernel crash', (and 'TCP/IP stack collapsing' too) |
| 09:27.46 | sep | lewis, high load would be my most common reason for your issue. eg a harddrive fail or a runaway ps. load rises, services stop respond. you do windows troubleshooting adn reboots. if it was a failed drive it would then not boot. |
| 09:27.47 | Dabian | lewis : (Ping is ICMP .. contrary to popular (ms windows) belief) |
| 09:27.48 | Phat32 | SerajewelKS, but this flash chat is so cool |
| 09:27.51 | SerajewelKS | presumably if the kernel crashed, you couldn't ping either |
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| 09:28.05 | Dabian | Die. |
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| 09:28.28 | SerajewelKS | Phat32: lots of non-free things are cool. doesn't make them free though. |
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| 09:29.12 | xomhau | hi all |
| 09:29.19 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 09:29.28 | Mazingaro | please, I've got a problem wirth alsa |
| 09:29.29 | onetinsoldier | howdy |
| 09:29.35 | SerajewelKS | !tell Mazingaro about ask |
| 09:29.46 | Mazingaro | (unstable) |
| 09:29.52 | xomhau | anyone, i want use font arial for xterm, how to? |
| 09:30.19 | SerajewelKS | xomhau: you want to use a variable-width font in a terminal? |
| 09:30.31 | xomhau | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 09:30.40 | SerajewelKS | xomhau: that's a stupid thing to do |
| 09:31.03 | SerajewelKS | xomhau: there is an environment variable called COLUMNS that xterm will set to the width in characters |
| 09:31.18 | SerajewelKS | xomhau: explain how it will set COLUMNS when it doesn't know how many characters it can fit on one line |
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| 09:31.37 | xomhau | SerajewelKS: oh yes |
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| 09:31.54 | xomhau | that why i want to change |
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| 09:32.07 | SerajewelKS | xomhau: ... what? |
| 09:32.08 | Zynaptix | open it -> edit -> profiles -> choose the one you are using -> edit -> change the font... |
| 09:32.18 | SerajewelKS | Zynaptix: he said xterm |
| 09:32.29 | SerajewelKS | Zynaptix: xterm is not konsole, gterm, etc |
| 09:32.53 | Zynaptix | ... |
| 09:32.56 | Zynaptix | sure works with my xterm |
| 09:33.11 | SerajewelKS | Zynaptix: you mean, aside from the fact that xterm doesn't have an edit menu? |
| 09:33.15 | SerajewelKS | Zynaptix: or any menus? |
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| 09:33.21 | Zynaptix | no? |
| 09:33.25 | SerajewelKS | Zynaptix: no |
| 09:33.27 | Zynaptix | cause mien does |
| 09:33.29 | Zynaptix | mine* |
| 09:33.42 | jana | hei |
| 09:33.43 | SerajewelKS | Zynaptix: then you are using some other X terminal emunator |
| 09:33.45 | SerajewelKS | emulator too |
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| 09:33.51 | jana | i had did it once |
| 09:33.52 | Zynaptix | well its called xterm |
| 09:34.13 | jana | there is some command s for changing commands |
| 09:34.16 | Zynaptix | and i insatlled it with apt-get install xterm |
| 09:34.21 | PlutoniumDragon | How can I change the mouse sensitivity in X? |
| 09:34.38 | SerajewelKS | Zynaptix: without a screenshot i find that very hard to believe |
| 09:34.47 | Zynaptix | ok |
| 09:34.49 | Zynaptix | sec |
| 09:34.59 | azeem | Zynaptix: run xterm from a terminal |
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| 09:35.26 | azeem | (xterm *has* a menu, albeit not someting with edit -> profiles, AFAIK) |
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| 09:35.45 | jmartos | Hello |
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| 09:35.59 | Pooh22 | hi all, could someone help me with a samba problem, over at #samba everyone is asleep or something :-( |
| 09:36.05 | SerajewelKS | azeem: i have not seen a menu on any version of xterm |
| 09:36.16 | SerajewelKS | !tell Pooh22 about ask to ask |
| 09:36.25 | Phated | SerajewelKS: Ctrl-rightclick ;) |
| 09:36.29 | azeem | SerajewelKS: ctrl+anyclick |
| 09:36.30 | Zynaptix | http://www.synapsonline.com/ss.jpg |
| 09:36.34 | teledyn__ | can i ask something OT - i know a lot of techies here - what is the best handheld device in terms of input? used to have a palm v but hated the graffiti system. any recommendations? |
| 09:36.49 | SerajewelKS | aha, one of those completely unintuitive menus |
| 09:36.51 | azeem | Zynaptix: that's gnome-terminal |
| 09:36.52 | Pooh22 | SerajewelKS: I know, just trying to introduce the question |
| 09:37.02 | Pooh22 | suddenly I have windows clients who cannot authenticate the domain master on our network (samba from debian stable 3.0.14a) |
| 09:37.15 | SerajewelKS | Pooh22: questions don't need introductions, just ask |
| 09:37.21 | Dabian | Pooh22 : Hahaha ha! |
| 09:37.28 | jmartos | I'm trying to install Debian Sarge in an Intel DotStation unit without CD nor Floppy |
| 09:37.41 | Pooh22 | Dabian: what's so funny? |
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| 09:37.54 | jmartos | I'm trying to use PXE for booting the install images |
| 09:37.54 | Pooh22 | how can I best debug the problem? I have the loglevel at 10, but I don't see much meaningful stuff there, is there a script to filter it? |
| 09:37.55 | Dabian | Pooh22 : Sorry, I am being bad. |
| 09:38.06 | Pooh22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.15 | Pooh22 | but he got no rplies |
| 09:38.18 | jmartos | But TFTP is not doing what I want |
| 09:38.22 | jmartos | Any help? |
| 09:38.35 | Pooh22 | is there a way to view the tdb files in plain text? |
| 09:38.37 | SerajewelKS | !tell jmartos about smart questions |
| 09:39.11 | jmartos | SerajewelKS, thanks for the advice |
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| 09:39.25 | jmartos | I've configured DHCP Server and it's doing its job |
| 09:39.25 | SerajewelKS | jmartos: you'll probably have better luck ripping out the hard drive and using debootstrap |
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| 09:39.56 | jmartos | SerajewelKS, I can't open the PC because I don't have appropiate tools |
| 09:40.34 | jmartos | My problem is TFTP always says it doesn't find the file I put in DHCP configuration |
| 09:41.29 | davis | hello |
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| 09:41.53 | onetinsoldier | anyone think they might be able to help me try to get an ms sidewinder gamepad working? i have tried but have been unsuccesful so far. after modprobing, making the device files and then attempting to 'cat' the device files, i get 'no such device'. :-( |
| 09:42.19 | jana | HI |
| 09:42.23 | kombi | what does nop,nop,sackOK mean when tcpdump says it? |
| 09:42.53 | Dabian | kombi : "nop,nop,sackOK" |
| 09:43.06 | Dabian | ;) |
| 09:43.28 | Dabian | !tell kombi about nop |
| 09:44.49 | Timtow | How can I fix this? /etc/cron.daily/webalizer: Error: Can't open log file /var/log/apache2/access.log.1 |
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| 09:45.09 | Dabian | onetinsoldier : If you're lucky, you can still return the thing. |
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| 09:45.46 | Dabian | onetinsoldier : It is probably broken. |
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| 09:46.47 | onetinsoldier | Dabian: the gamepad is in good working order |
| 09:46.56 | Dabian | onetinsoldier : How do you know? |
| 09:47.28 | Dabian | onetinsoldier : Even new stuff is broken, from time to time. |
| 09:47.37 | jmartos | Anyone uses tftpd-hpa and dhcpd for booting PXE terminals? I have some problems and I'd like to check my config files with someone that has the service working |
| 09:47.49 | liable | Timtow: read the docs for webaliser |
| 09:47.51 | kombi | Dabian: the !tell directive did not copy.. |
| 09:48.02 | Dabian | !tell kombi about nop |
| 09:48.04 | kombi | ..and better use webstats.. |
| 09:48.14 | kombi | thanks! |
| 09:48.18 | Dabian | np |
| 09:48.19 | onetinsoldier | there is a game that is developed in Linux, but cross compiled for windows too. i have used the gamepad in windows xp in that game just fine. i now have the game installed in linux and would like to be able to use it for that game as well as others in linux. |
| 09:48.21 | soccos | is there a kernel-source package for 2.6.13+ ? |
| 09:48.45 | SerajewelKS | soccos: checked p.d.o? |
| 09:49.12 | soccos | SerajewelKS: what's that? |
| 09:49.30 | Dabian | onetinsoldier : We do not support windows xp. Go away! |
| 09:49.32 | Gnea | !pdo |
| 09:49.33 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 09:49.39 | SerajewelKS | soccos: packages.debian.org |
| 09:49.54 | Gnea | Dabian: back down, please learn how to read. |
| 09:50.05 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: which game? |
| 09:50.15 | Dabian | Gnea : Do you use cedega for games? |
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| 09:50.25 | Gnea | Dabian: yes. |
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| 09:50.39 | Dabian | Gnea : Is a subscription worth it, if you want to game? |
| 09:50.47 | Gnea | Dabian: yes. |
| 09:50.51 | onetinsoldier | !Ur-Quan Masters |
| 09:50.51 | dpkg | i guess ur-quan masters is a project to port the 3DO version of Star Control 2 game to personal computer operating systems started in August 2002, when Toys For Bob released the partially ported sources of Star Control 2 3DO version to the fan community. Currently at version 0.5.0 which works very nicely. You may want to have a gamepad type contoller. http://sc2.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:50.56 | Gnea | Dabian: it's only $5/mo |
| 09:51.01 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: :-) |
| 09:51.07 | Dabian | Gnea : Do you happen to know what the current status of Oblivion is in the dev. tree? |
| 09:51.16 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: i put that info into dpkg :-) |
| 09:51.17 | Gnea | Dabian: no. |
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| 09:51.31 | SerajewelKS | Dabian: we don't support cedega here. go away! |
| 09:51.35 | Dabian | Gnea : But you get access to it as a subscriper right? |
| 09:51.36 | lewis | I found out the boot error message... something like: PXE-MOF:exiting, trying to load linux.cfg/default |
| 09:51.40 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: checking it out :) |
| 09:51.47 | Dabian | SerajewelKS : Heh ... that came back fast! :-) |
| 09:51.55 | Gnea | Dabian: of course. |
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| 09:52.01 | Dabian | SerajewelKS : You're a windowsuser too, right? |
| 09:52.01 | SerajewelKS | Dabian: except that i actually have reason to say so. there is a #cedega. |
| 09:52.06 | SerajewelKS | Dabian: no |
| 09:52.21 | Dabian | SerajewelKS : You never use Microsoft Windows? |
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| 09:52.41 | SerajewelKS | Dabian: not on my own, box no. other people's boxen (intenet cafes, etc) are beyond my control. |
| 09:52.42 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: it's an old classic. great game in ti's time. i have a 3DO and I have the game for it and with their latest release, they have done a fine port from what i can tell |
| 09:52.59 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: so it's a scroll-shooter? |
| 09:53.16 | Gnea | that's fuckin' rad, i'm downloading it now. |
| 09:53.16 | Dabian | SerajewelKS : You don't play windowsgames in wine or cedega? |
| 09:53.32 | soccos | SerajewelKS: p.d.o doesn't seem to think so, but it also doesn't report that 2.6.10 is in stable ? |
| 09:53.32 | SerajewelKS | Dabian: what is your point |
| 09:53.34 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: i guess you could cal it that, i suppose |
| 09:53.52 | onetinsoldier | *call |
| 09:54.02 | Gnea | and it's in sid, bonus |
| 09:54.04 | Dabian | SerajewelKS : Even Debian users happen to use CEDEGA .. I guess cedega specific questions should generally go to #cedega though. |
| 09:54.33 | SerajewelKS | Dabian: i fail to see what your trail of questions has accomplished. whether or not i happen to use windows is irrelevant to any discussion in this channel. |
| 09:54.41 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: s/he was asking me some rather general questions not related to support for cedega. |
| 09:54.45 | Dabian | SerajewelKS : Maybe. |
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| 09:55.12 | ludan | hi |
| 09:55.23 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: ok, it loaded right up and my joystick works with it right away |
| 09:55.28 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: my tolerance for Dabian is low, considering his reaction to onetinsoldier. an intolerant person gets less tolerance from me. |
| 09:55.50 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: but i don't have a sidewinder, it's a saitek p880 gamepad |
| 09:56.03 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i realize that, so it'll be dealt with in time if need be. |
| 09:56.24 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: i had trouble getting it to work after compiling it. i used apt-get to install the executable. you cannot get the 'voices' content with apt, it's very large. but i have the voices content for it myself. i recommend getting all the extra content files that you can. ;) |
| 09:56.40 | ludan | how can i reconfigure my fonts? dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig doesn't do what i'm expecting, i mean show me a menu with antialiasing configuration and so on |
| 09:56.46 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: nice. i'm jealous, hehe. |
| 09:56.47 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: cool, so you couldn't get the sidewinder setup? |
| 09:57.05 | SerajewelKS | ludan: that is environment-specific. KDE/Gnome/etc should have some config applet to change those settings. |
| 09:57.34 | ludan | SerajewelKS: i tried yet, but it seems doesn't work |
| 09:57.36 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: no, it refuses to be recognized. the device files do not work at all for some reason... the /dev/jsX |
| 09:58.13 | lewis | if a hard disk has failed, and the system is set to network boot (though no network boot is available), would the last thing be: booting from local disk? |
| 09:58.16 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: my point is that someone who flames someone else for making an off-topic statement (that was not actually off-topic at all) does not deserve to ask questions that are really off-topic/ |
| 09:58.20 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: have you read this: http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x194.html |
| 09:58.21 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: i will have to at least get the device /dev/jsX files to be recongnized before anything will work |
| 09:58.57 | possie | is there away that i can say, directory /x/y/z can not get larger then 10mb ? |
| 09:58.58 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: no, they deserve a second chance to make right. if they fail again repeatedly, they should indeed be op-flogged |
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| 09:59.17 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: it's not a USB controller though. my USB keyboard and mouse are working fine though, in console and in X fwiw |
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| 09:59.25 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: serial? |
| 09:59.35 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: gameport |
| 09:59.41 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: what kernel? |
| 09:59.54 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: with an apology i would agree with you; in the absence of one i disagree |
| 10:00.05 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: on a creative audigy 2 platinum |
| 10:00.05 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: very well. |
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| 10:00.25 | Gnea | Dabian: please do not flog users when you haven't attained the full story, thanks. |
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| 10:00.37 | Siji | hi |
| 10:00.42 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: using alsa? |
| 10:00.43 | jikbag | aloho |
| 10:00.45 | jikbag | a |
| 10:00.59 | liable | heh, you sound like two school teachers talking about a naughty boy.. :P |
| 10:01.10 | liable | jikbag: english? |
| 10:01.16 | jikbag | typo |
| 10:01.17 | Gnea | liable: what do you expect? we're both students :P |
| 10:01.19 | jikbag | aloha |
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| 10:01.38 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: custom compiled 2.6.16.16. i have also tried to get it working by booting into my debian 2.6.15-1 kernel. nothing there either |
| 10:01.44 | liable | hehe |
| 10:02.09 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: did you modularize the joystick interface under input device drivers? |
| 10:02.23 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: yep, i'm using alsa |
| 10:02.44 | SerajewelKS | onetinsoldier: what does alsa have to do with joysticks... |
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| 10:03.18 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: i beleive they are all modules. i would have to pull up 'make menuconfig' to make sure of specifics |
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| 10:03.27 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ALSA is the main interface to the gameport on the card. some drivers require a special modprobe-time switch to be enabled in order for it to work |
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| 10:03.36 | liable | joysticks that go vrooom.. ?? |
| 10:03.55 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: so i assume the gameport is on the sound card? |
| 10:03.58 | onetinsoldier | SerajewelKS: i don't know for sure. Gnea asked if i was using alsa so i answered |
| 10:04.03 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: do that, and check under device drivers->input device support->joysticks->Microsoft SideWinder digital joysticks and gamepads (NEW) |
| 10:04.09 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: make sure that's a module, too |
| 10:04.10 | SerajewelKS | onetinsoldier: ah |
| 10:04.11 | onetinsoldier | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 10:04.14 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: that is correct. |
| 10:04.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: okay, i missed that part |
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| 10:04.51 | onetinsoldier | Ok, let me pull up make menuconfig... hang on for a minute |
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| 10:07.23 | thegraham | apt-get upgrade error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2673 any ideas? |
| 10:08.02 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: yes, that is compiled as a module |
| 10:08.04 | SerajewelKS | thegraham: remove glibc-doc and try again? |
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| 10:08.42 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: ok, try loading it and see what dmesg has to say about it |
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| 10:09.24 | Gnea | great, the internet's under SMTP attack again |
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| 10:09.32 | nekostar | eh |
| 10:10.18 | crazy_penguin | what command i use wit apt to download and rebuild a package? |
| 10:10.30 | SerajewelKS | crazy_penguin: apt-get source? |
| 10:10.52 | crazy_penguin | ok |
| 10:10.53 | crazy_penguin | thx |
| 10:10.58 | SerajewelKS | !thx |
| 10:10.59 | dpkg | somebody said thx was a convenient internet abbreviation for the general-purpose politeness word "thanks", to be used with caution around defenders of the sanctity of the English language. THX is also sound technology associated with George Lucas. |
| 10:11.28 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: i decidedd to ry again before coming on here and modprobed all neccessary modules. it's already loaded and there were no complaints from modprobing... joydev, gameport, and sidewinder. emu10k1_gp is getting loaded automatically at boot time |
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| 10:12.56 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: there might be one i left out of there that i still need to modprobe... analog |
| 10:13.07 | crazy_penguin | sorry.:) thanks |
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| 10:13.33 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: i doubt you'll need all of those |
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| 10:15.00 | onetinsoldier | well, i'm trying everything that i know. i'm trying what's in the 'joystick.txt' in the kernel source docs. except i don't thing i need ns558 as i beleive that's for ancient isa(bus) cards |
| 10:15.11 | onetinsoldier | s/thing/think |
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| 10:16.55 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: if udev didn't come up with anything in /dev/*js* or /dev/*/*js*, then check the manual on the alsa driver - modinfo emu10k1_gp, too - see if there's an option to be set for the gameport |
| 10:17.49 | onetinsoldier | yeah... udev is not making the devices at boot time. i make them manually and they're gone after a reboot |
| 10:18.18 | Gnea | yeah - you shouldn't have to - if the devices are detected properly, then the devices will get made |
| 10:18.50 | onetinsoldier | modinfo just gives this |
| 10:18.57 | onetinsoldier | modinfo emu10k1_gp |
| 10:19.07 | onetinsoldier | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.16.16-686/kernel/drivers/input/gameport/emu10k1-gp.ko |
| 10:19.12 | onetinsoldier | license: GPL |
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| 10:19.19 | onetinsoldier | description: EMU10k1 gameport driver |
| 10:19.24 | onetinsoldier | author: Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@ucw.cz> |
| 10:19.24 | Gnea | hey, don't paste! |
| 10:19.26 | Gnea | !paster |
| 10:19.26 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
| 10:19.28 | thementor | greetings channel |
| 10:19.50 | onetinsoldier | ok.. well, there's nothing of use in it anyway i don't beleive |
| 10:20.02 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: ok... should be a howto you can google for |
| 10:20.10 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: maybe www.tldp.org has it |
| 10:20.12 | onetinsoldier | i have googled |
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| 10:20.37 | onetinsoldier | i have been trying to get this thing to work.. searching.. ect. |
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| 10:21.39 | jetscreamer | you chatzilla user you |
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| 10:22.15 | jetscreamer | !wayttd onetinsoldier |
| 10:22.16 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, onetinsoldier? |
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| 10:22.45 | Gnea | jetscreamer: trying to get his ms sidewinder to work on a sb audigy gameport |
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| 10:23.05 | jetscreamer | apt-get install joystick |
| 10:23.05 | Dabian | !wayttd ricky_clarkson |
| 10:23.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ricky_clarkson? |
| 10:23.10 | jetscreamer | !info joystick |
| 10:23.13 | dpkg | joystick: (Testing and calibration tools), section utils, is extra. Version: 20051019-1 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
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| 10:23.56 | jetscreamer | it also makes dev nodes |
| 10:24.00 | tarzeau | what is the key combination in readline to go back a word without deleting it? |
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| 10:24.44 | Dabian | tarzeau : alt-b ? |
| 10:24.59 | Dabian | tarzeau : (actually M-b .. but I know you don't use GNU Emacs much). |
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| 10:25.27 | robhu_ | Could someone please help me? I have a Acer TravelMate and after doing a dist-upgrade my touchpad has become extremely slow - also tapping on it doesnt work.. I have the synaptics touch pad driver loaded (I think - how do I tell?) and have used the synapticonfig util to check tapping is on etc... :/ |
| 10:25.28 | tarzeau | Dabian: well debian still has no emacs.app |
| 10:25.51 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer: hehe.. i'm jealous :-P is it a gamepad? i also have a usb sidewinder 2 ffb pro but haven't tried it. i've been wanting to use my gamepad for the type of game i'm wanting to run |
| 10:26.03 | Dabian | tarzeau : Emacs.app is kinda old .. isn't it emacs 20? And most people use the development version of emacs 22 now .. |
| 10:26.04 | thegraham | Why do packages get kept back by apt? |
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| 10:26.13 | jetscreamer | me and this here joystick killed >100 ppl over the past few hours |
| 10:26.19 | jetscreamer | no it's not a gamepad |
| 10:26.24 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: dude, this game is the bomb |
| 10:26.28 | jetscreamer | but you probably need the joystick package anyway |
| 10:26.30 | onetinsoldier | roger |
| 10:26.32 | tarzeau | Dabian: no there's a gnustep/os x emacs.app with cvs/svn synced |
| 10:26.38 | tarzeau | Dabian: that's 23.x unreleased |
| 10:26.44 | tarzeau | Dabian: yes there's an openstep emacs.app of 18.x |
| 10:26.52 | Dabian | jetscreamer : I realise you like your new mp-40 .. but please don't get too excited .. if you know what I am drifting to. |
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| 10:26.53 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: i thought you might like! :-) like i said, it was quite the game in it's day! |
| 10:27.12 | creature | I did an apt-get update and now all my GTK apps look like crap. How do I fix it? |
| 10:27.12 | Gnea | onetinsoldier: hey, didn't they make an XCom clone? |
| 10:27.14 | Dabian | tarzeau : That is new to me! |
| 10:27.24 | Dabian | tarzeau : Why doesn't someone package it for Debian? |
| 10:27.33 | pandamonium | if i mention CUPS in here will I be shot? |
| 10:27.34 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: i don't know really |
| 10:27.37 | chealer9 | !tell thegraham about kept back |
| 10:27.40 | azeem | creature: try to describe what is graphically wrong in more detail |
| 10:27.47 | Gnea | i loved that game too, never got to finish it :) |
| 10:27.48 | tarzeau | Dabian: i did :) |
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| 10:28.01 | robhu_ | Is there an xorg irc channel? |
| 10:28.03 | Dabian | tarzeau : Why isn't someone donating the package then? |
| 10:28.05 | creature | azeem: I think it might be that something has turned anti-aliasing on. |
| 10:28.11 | tarzeau | Dabian: i packaged it :) but it needs to get sponsored and go through debian new queue |
| 10:28.11 | chealer9 | !tell robhu_ about xorg |
| 10:28.11 | Dabian | or sponsoring? |
| 10:28.18 | tarzeau | Dabian: i'm working on it |
| 10:28.28 | robhu_ | chealer9: Thankyou |
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| 10:28.38 | Dabian | greycat: Sponsor Emacs.app! Now! |
| 10:28.39 | onetinsoldier | Gnea: how did you install it? did you compile the source? or did you apt-get it? you were pretty quick if you compiled |
| 10:28.46 | Dabian | ? |
| 10:28.50 | Dabian | !seen greycat |
| 10:28.50 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 10d 22h 7m 6s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 10:29.03 | tarzeau | Dabian: he's not a DD |
| 10:29.07 | Dabian | oh |
| 10:29.10 | Dabian | Who is? |
| 10:29.12 | creature | azeem: You can see the "old" gaim - the one I liked - at http://www.ethicsgirls.com/stuff/ircscreenshot.jpg . I'm going to grab an updated screenshot now. |
| 10:29.16 | pandamonium | I'm having a really bad time getting CUPS to work properly. I've Googled the night away and still not solved my problem. For some reason I just can't get anything to connect to the CUPS server. |
| 10:29.23 | Dabian | Is anyone here DD anymore? |
| 10:29.30 | tarzeau | Dabian: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ those with a star are sponsors |
| 10:29.34 | Dabian | Overfiend : Please sponsor tarzeaus package! |
| 10:29.36 | tarzeau | Dabian: there's many in here, yes |
| 10:29.45 | azeem | Dabian: stop harassing random people |
| 10:29.46 | tarzeau | Dabian: wait, you want to use emacs.app too? |
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| 10:30.09 | webmonkey | hi guys |
| 10:30.17 | Dabian | azeem : You disbeliever! You call the grandmaster of Debian 'random people' ?!?? |
| 10:30.31 | Dabian | tarzeau : I'd sure want to try it out yeah! |
| 10:30.44 | webmonkey | I've just shared a fs using nfs and mounted it, but i dont have write perm in the mounted fs, is there a way to add the user to the group which owns the fs? |
| 10:31.14 | tarzeau | Dabian: you'll want the source package and rebuild it http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/emacs/ |
| 10:31.34 | creature | azeem: See http://www.ethicsgirls.com/stuff/gtkshot.jpg for the "new" look of GTK apps. |
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| 10:31.57 | Dabian | creature : Whats an ethic girl? A myth? |
| 10:32.15 | creature | See the text at http://www.ethicsgirls.com/ , dabian. |
| 10:32.15 | azeem | creature: it doesn't look so terrible IMHO |
| 10:32.21 | creature | Well, I do not like it. |
| 10:32.23 | creature | It is bigger than it was. |
| 10:32.28 | Phated | :O Overfiend! |
| 10:32.28 | creature | And it's fuzzy. |
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| 10:32.56 | azeem | creature: doesn't fontconfig have a config file or something? |
| 10:33.01 | azeem | anyway, I dunno how to revert that |
| 10:33.20 | webmonkey | hi |
| 10:33.44 | Dabian | Phated is back .. |
| 10:33.49 | webmonkey | I've just shared a fs using nfs and mounted it, but i dont have write perm in the mounted fs, is there a way to add the user to the group which owns the fs? |
| 10:34.02 | webmonkey | is it possible? |
| 10:34.04 | Gnea | User of free software... Master of the obvious... it's... Dabian!! |
| 10:34.10 | SerajewelKS | creature: surely you don't mean GTK apps, that looks like a window decoration to me |
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| 10:34.19 | Dabian | Gnea : Thanks :) |
| 10:34.26 | azeem | SerajewelKS: he's talking about the in-program fonts |
| 10:34.27 | Dabian | Gnea : You make me smile. |
| 10:34.30 | creature | SerajewelKS: I'm pretty sure it's a GTK app thing. |
| 10:34.38 | creature | Look at the menu bar and the text of the buddy icons. |
| 10:34.44 | webmonkey | shared filesystem (nfs), 2 different users->same write permission. how to do? |
| 10:34.49 | creature | It's the same in the Gimp and gqview too. |
| 10:34.55 | pandamonium | Would someone be kind enough to point me in the right direction where I might get some help configuring CUPS please? Preferably an idiot's guide. |
| 10:35.01 | SerajewelKS | creature: is that some sort of double-antialiasing? |
| 10:35.10 | Dabian | !tell pandamonium about idiot |
| 10:35.19 | SerajewelKS | creature: note that JPEG compression is blurring it a bit |
| 10:35.24 | Gnea | !cups |
| 10:35.24 | dpkg | i heard cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 10:35.42 | Gnea | !cups setup |
| 10:35.42 | dpkg | hmm... cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
| 10:35.42 | webmonkey | is "/etc/group" the place to manage more than one user into single groups? |
| 10:35.49 | creature | SerajewelKS: I have no idea. All I know is that I liked the way it looked before, and when I did an apt-get upgrade something changed and I no longer like the way it looks. |
| 10:35.55 | Dabian | pandamonium : You don't NEED ubuntu to be an idiot though... but I hope you get the idea... |
| 10:36.02 | creature | I don't know if a theme's gone walkabout somewhere or a font server has changed or a config thing has gone or what. |
| 10:36.04 | azeem | dpkg: no, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 10:36.04 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
| 10:36.10 | kombi | webmonkey: that would be passwd rather |
| 10:36.16 | Gnea | webmonkey: yeah - use the vigr command |
| 10:36.37 | webmonkey | kombi: thanks |
| 10:36.42 | webmonkey | thanks Gnea |
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| 10:36.43 | servus | webmonkey: man usermod |
| 10:36.54 | SerajewelKS | creature: that looks like the standard font to me |
| 10:36.56 | webmonkey | I need to add a user to an existing group |
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| 10:37.14 | creature | SerajewelKS: My guess is something has turned antialiasing on. |
| 10:37.24 | SerajewelKS | creature: so... turn it off... |
| 10:37.30 | creature | I do not know how. |
| 10:37.41 | pandamonium | I've looked through the docs, Googled for a solution, but I still can't get any joy. |
| 10:37.51 | SerajewelKS | creature: does your WM/DE have some sort of control panel? |
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| 10:38.34 | webmonkey | how does the format go in group? is it "admin:x:1000:xxxx" xxxx = 2nd group? |
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| 10:39.10 | azeem | webmonkey: don't edit the groups file directly |
| 10:39.15 | webmonkey | ah |
| 10:39.15 | creature | SerajewelKS: I'm pretty sure it's GTK-specific. |
| 10:39.24 | creature | Other apps look "normal". |
| 10:39.37 | servus | webmonkey: Once again, "man usermod" and read. |
| 10:39.41 | webmonkey | azeem: but vigr seems to edit it? |
| 10:39.46 | webmonkey | ok |
| 10:40.02 | azeem | using vigr looks like a bad idea to me |
| 10:40.11 | azeem | or rather, suggesting it to somebdoy |
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| 10:40.32 | pandamonium | localhost:631 won't connect. /var/log/cups/error_log contains a line "Listening to 0:631" <--- should this '0' be 'localhost' or something if it's working correctly? |
| 10:41.01 | SerajewelKS | creature: IIRC you need to configure that with a gnome capplet |
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| 10:41.29 | azeem | there's gnome-font-properties, yes |
| 10:41.38 | liable | pandamonium: whats netstat -plunt |grep cupsd say? |
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| 10:41.59 | followmearound | if I install something with --force-depends ... how do I make it so that when I run apt-get, it's not constantly trying to uninstall the package? |
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| 10:42.27 | pandamonium | liable, absolutely nothing. I don't think it's listening at all. |
| 10:43.05 | pandamonium | If I try to run cupsd from a shell command line it just hangs until I <ctrl-c> |
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| 10:43.26 | liable | pandamonium: ok. if it doesnt show in that command, /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
| 10:43.35 | webmonkey | when using usermod how do you determine the user you wish to modify? does it modify the current logged in user by default? |
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| 10:43.41 | liable | pandamonium: have you edited cupsd.conf? |
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| 10:43.56 | SerajewelKS | webmonkey: uh no, you tell it which user to modify |
| 10:43.57 | azeem | webmonkey: use addgroup |
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| 10:44.00 | SerajewelKS | webmonkey: read the manpage |
| 10:44.03 | webmonkey | ok thanks |
| 10:44.19 | SerajewelKS | webmonkey: #debian is not a substitute for man |
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| 10:44.28 | pandamonium | liable, even starting/restarting cupsys gives no joy |
| 10:44.43 | webmonkey | SerajewelKS: sorry |
| 10:44.44 | liable | pandamonium: have you edited cupsd.conf? |
| 10:44.50 | lewis | if a system says 'booting from local disk' on startup, but doesn't get any further, what does it mean? (BIOS can see the hard disk) |
| 10:45.13 | pandamonium | and I tried editting cupsd.conf, trying all manner of settings that I could find in 'guides' or forum posts in Google |
| 10:45.19 | liable | lewis: it doesnt say "no operating system found"?? |
| 10:45.29 | lewis | nope. |
| 10:45.38 | liable | pandamonium: right, purge cups and re-install it |
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| 10:45.57 | lewis | I think it is trying to network boot first, then it isn't finding a network server (which is correct), then it isn't loading the hard disk though. |
| 10:46.04 | lewis | I haven't made any changes to anything, just rebooted. |
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| 10:46.12 | azeem | lewis: that sounds unlikely |
| 10:46.19 | webmonkey | how do I find out the uid of a user? is it in group? |
| 10:46.22 | liable | lewis: what if you set bios to hard drive first? |
| 10:46.22 | SerajewelKS | lewis: sounds like the bootloader is toast |
| 10:46.23 | azeem | lewis: try to boot from a liveCD and reinstall your boot loader |
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| 10:46.35 | SerajewelKS | webmonkey: cat /etc/passwd |
| 10:46.38 | pandamonium | liable, I'll have to go and Google to find out how to do that, but I'll give it a shot and report back. Thanks :) |
| 10:46.46 | webmonkey | SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 10:46.49 | SerajewelKS | webmonkey: or 'id username' |
| 10:46.58 | liable | pandamonium: apt-get remove --purge cupsys |
| 10:47.04 | lewis | liable: the system is remote, and I don't have the network engineer on the phone any longer - I thought about doing that, but didn't think it would make a difference. |
| 10:47.26 | liable | lewis: bugger |
| 10:47.36 | liable | pandamonium: then install again |
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| 10:47.50 | pandamonium | apt-get install it? |
| 10:47.51 | lewis | can someone tell me more about livecd, the debian box was sarge i386 |
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| 10:48.12 | lewis | (or how to resintall the bootloader) |
| 10:48.13 | liable | pandamonium: have a read of the debian reference if you arent too sure how to do basic stuff in debian, its well worth the read |
| 10:48.18 | liable | pandamonium: yes |
| 10:48.36 | sbiegans | anyone familiar with defining global-set-key in xemacs ? |
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| 10:49.07 | pandamonium | liable, yeah, it's usually by my side (along with some other docs too) whenever I try to do anything. I'd just never removed something before. |
| 10:49.09 | liable | lewis: pretty much impossible to do remotely |
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| 10:49.53 | mice | i am using debian sarge and mdadm cant create /dev/md0 device.. so how to create that device? |
| 10:49.57 | onetinsoldier | webmonkey: you can also use the 'id command... id <username> |
| 10:49.57 | pandamonium | liable, I'm so happy I could kiss you! |
| 10:50.01 | lewis | if I had local access, how do I reinstall the bootloader? |
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| 10:50.09 | liable | pandamonium: the reason is, if you purge it and reinstall, you get a fresh cupsd.conf |
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| 10:50.28 | pandamonium | that's done it... now I just have to get the printer to work ;-) |
| 10:50.33 | mice | to be correct md0 is not found by mdadm |
| 10:50.36 | liable | pandamonium: cool |
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| 10:50.58 | pandamonium | neat trick - will that work with most probs? |
| 10:51.05 | orchid | sbiegans: it's the same as in emacs no? |
| 10:51.06 | ubun | ebian.org moves to OFTC June 4th /msg dpkg oftc move | STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 10:51.07 | ubun | * Tópico para #debian colocado por dondelelcaro em Thu May 25 01:03:51 2006 |
| 10:51.07 | ubun | * Recebeu um CTCP VERSION de freenode-connect |
| 10:51.07 | ubun | -ChanServ- [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
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| 10:51.19 | liable | pandamonium: if you have screwed a .conf file, yes |
| 10:51.26 | liable | azeem: ^^ |
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| 10:51.51 | liable | ubun: go away |
| 10:51.53 | webmonkey | phew. |
| 10:52.05 | mice | hey all |
| 10:52.07 | ubun | liabre kick |
| 10:52.09 | liable | !ops ubun bot or loser |
| 10:52.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: liable complains about: ubun bot or loser |
| 10:52.16 | mice | i am using debian sarge and mdadm cant open /dev/md0 device.. so how to create that device? |
| 10:52.32 | sbiegans | orchid: perhaps it is, never used emacs myself, fancy helping me out ? |
| 10:52.33 | ubun | liabre kick bot lose bot |
| 10:52.42 | orchid | sbiegans: example (global-set-key [(f10)] 'debian-bug-web-bugs) |
| 10:52.46 | SerajewelKS | i wonder how #ubuntu would feel if we started this shit in their channel |
| 10:53.01 | sep | mice, mdadm creates the device. you want the md_mod |
| 10:53.10 | sbiegans | orchid: mine does not recognize shift keys, tough xev recognize them correctly |
| 10:53.20 | liable | SerajewelKS: you would get banned. just unfortunate that we seem to have a time span when we have few ops |
| 10:53.39 | mice | ok? u mean i should modprobe md_mod? |
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| 10:53.49 | SerajewelKS | liable: i mean, when i'm in #ubuntu i don't see a lot of debian people doing this |
| 10:54.07 | liable | lewis: depend on the rescue disk, but its pretty much all explained in the grub docs |
| 10:54.11 | wut | doing what exactly? |
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| 10:54.43 | liable | SerajewelKS: i guess we are just lucky |
| 10:54.45 | zu22 | hey how do i install latex in debian testing "etch"? i dont see any latex-common metapackage in 'apt-cache search' |
| 10:54.53 | zu22 | i want full latex |
| 10:55.00 | liable | kinky! |
| 10:55.01 | liable | :P |
| 10:55.07 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 10:55.08 | zu22 | lol |
| 10:55.13 | lewis | could I reinstall the bootloader with a netinstall CD, or do I need a liveCD, like knoppix? |
| 10:55.19 | zu22 | liable do u know the package(s) names? :) |
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| 10:56.00 | liable | lewis: you can do it from the debian install disk. just that its a wee bit more involved as you have to mount your / , and its devfs which can confuse people |
| 10:56.15 | creature | zu22: I think you want the tetex packages. |
| 10:56.16 | liable | zu22: sorry, i dont really know anything about latex. |
| 10:56.24 | orchid | sbiegans: try it interactively M-x global-set-key |
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| 10:56.53 | MatBoy | Is someone using kernel 2.6.16-1 using on Etch ? |
| 10:57.07 | lewis | liable: ok - thank you - will try to find some manuals/documentation now on it |
| 10:57.10 | kombi | packets don't seem traverse iptables on port 3000, how do i best debug? |
| 10:57.13 | sbiegans | orchid: that is what I am trying to do right now: when I try to assign a shifted key (for example: shift-F1 - it show just F1 |
| 10:57.28 | Foobar | When I login to my machine I get "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).", why? |
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| 10:57.48 | orchid | sbiegans: shift+up for example is <S-up> |
| 10:57.48 | kombi | Foobar: wrong credentials? |
| 10:57.50 | zu22 | creature ok thx |
| 10:57.51 | SerajewelKS | Foobar: means you gave the wrong password |
| 10:58.01 | orchid | sbiegans: also #emacs :) |
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| 10:58.15 | Foobar | kombi: I am pretty sure it's the correct password |
| 10:58.35 | sbiegans | orchid: thanks |
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| 10:59.13 | Foobar | kombi: I think I installed the maintainers version of ssh_config, and that's the reason why it's not working. |
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| 10:59.29 | sbiegans | orchid: strange is that I experience it with function keys only |
| 10:59.30 | pandamonium | liable, sometimes it takes some persevering but I get there in the end. Well, almost there ;-) Like my sound card - couldn't be seen until I swapped PCI slots. |
| 10:59.32 | ubun | não tenho debian enstalado |
| 10:59.37 | Foobar | SerajewelKS: I am giving the correct password. |
| 10:59.47 | ubun | ki65j23 |
| 10:59.51 | kombi | Foobar: do you still have a shell? |
| 10:59.58 | liable | pandamonium: all part of te fun i guess. :) |
| 11:00.00 | ubun | hahaha |
| 11:00.07 | orchid | sbiegans: what exactly is your bind command? |
| 11:00.09 | Foobar | kombi: how do you mean? |
| 11:00.09 | liable | ubun: english |
| 11:00.09 | ubun | loguw2356y21 |
| 11:00.14 | ubun | no |
| 11:00.19 | Foobar | kombi: My user name is not associated with noshell |
| 11:00.31 | kombi | access to the box i mean |
| 11:00.38 | pandamonium | Except my missus disagrees :( Gives me grief because the PCs get more attention than she does. |
| 11:00.42 | Foobar | kombi: Oh, I already know at least one thing I am doing wrong :) |
| 11:00.53 | orchid | sbiegans: also do a C-h c and then enter shift-up, see what notation emacs returns |
| 11:00.56 | sbiegans | orchid: (global-set-key [f5] "\M-w") and (global-set-key '(shift f5) 'kill-region) |
| 11:01.04 | Foobar | kombi: Thanks |
| 11:01.12 | Foobar | kombi: I didn't change my user name... |
| 11:01.30 | sbiegans | orchid: f5 alone works as set, but shift-f5 results with just the same as f5 alone |
| 11:01.42 | liable | Foobar: check the sshd log on the server |
| 11:01.50 | liable | Foobar: erm, the auth.log |
| 11:02.56 | Ugly_Duck | in kmail, what do you call <body> and <message> when making filters, i wana check the source of hte message as some spam only has images, so i wana make a rule that bans certain domains when checking the source of hte message |
| 11:03.03 | SerajewelKS | Foobar: if it's rejecting keyboard-interactive login then either the password is incorrect or for some reason the server cannot authenticate you. |
| 11:03.20 | SerajewelKS | Foobar: are you using a different login scheme than is standard? (local /etc/shadow) |
| 11:03.24 | liable | Ugly_Duck: prolly better off asking in a kde channel. |
| 11:03.37 | liable | Ugly_Duck: if no one knows here |
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| 11:03.45 | Ugly_Duck | liable: right'o |
| 11:04.01 | orchid | sbiegans: dunno, ask in #emacs though, they will know for sure |
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| 11:05.22 | sbiegans | orchid: C-h c for sh-up gives correct result: it does recognize shift key depressed |
| 11:05.22 | sbiegans | orchid: C-h c for F5 and shift-F5 gives very same results, looks like Shift-Fx is recognized as Fx alone |
| 11:05.49 | sbiegans | orchid: thanks ! |
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| 11:07.44 | webmonkey | hmm. im trying to save a file from Gimp into a dir but it says doesnt have write permission. I thought Gimp would be run as the user I'm logged into X with? |
| 11:08.15 | liable | webmonkey: should do. |
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| 11:08.42 | webmonkey | ok |
| 11:08.58 | webmonkey | must be a perm issue still then as im mounting dr from nfs |
| 11:09.12 | SerajewelKS | webmonkey: can you 'touch' a file in that folder from the shell? |
| 11:09.19 | webmonkey | confirmed. i cant write a txt file from shell |
| 11:09.43 | nwonknu | hi im trying to install ndiswrapper so i can get debian on the net. ive installed the debian packages but when i try modprobe ndiswrapper it cant find the module anyone else had this problem |
| 11:09.52 | webmonkey | shesh, i added the user to the same group as the user who owns the dr |
| 11:09.53 | webmonkey | *dir |
| 11:09.54 | Shadowcat | why do you need ndiswrapper? |
| 11:10.02 | nwonknu | to get my wireless working |
| 11:10.07 | nwonknu | so i can get on the net |
| 11:10.11 | SerajewelKS | !m-a nwonknu ndiswrapper |
| 11:10.11 | dpkg | nwonknu: to compile and install ndiswrapper for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper ; if this works echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 11:10.15 | Shadowcat | and what wireless exacly? |
| 11:10.22 | webmonkey | do I need to do anything else to get perm besides adding the user to the group and logging in again? |
| 11:10.24 | crazy_penguin | cya later everyone!:) |
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| 11:11.06 | Shadowcat | quick everybody hide, streuner's here |
| 11:11.18 | streuner | hehe |
| 11:11.21 | SerajewelKS | !beat streuner |
| 11:11.23 | webmonkey | SerajewelKS: i cant touch any files |
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| 11:11.31 | SerajewelKS | oops typo, i meant to hide in the corner |
| 11:11.39 | streuner | !love Shadowcat |
| 11:11.42 | loverboy | hello, can I use the .deb package on Slackware distro to install some programs and how? |
| 11:11.42 | SerajewelKS | webmonkey: seems like it's not gimp's fault |
| 11:11.50 | Shadowcat | !sicko streuner |
| 11:11.53 | ubun | lol |
| 11:11.53 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 11:11.58 | ubun | heh |
| 11:12.11 | ubun | não estava aqui |
| 11:12.13 | liable | .. |
| 11:12.14 | Shadowcat | loverboy: no |
| 11:12.18 | liable | go away! |
| 11:12.22 | ubun | no |
| 11:12.36 | loverboy | is there some program to convert .deb to .tgz? |
| 11:12.42 | SerajewelKS | !ops ubun troll |
| 11:12.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: serajewelks complains about: ubun troll |
| 11:12.55 | Shadowcat | loverboy: do you even know what a deb is? and do you know what tgz is? |
| 11:13.04 | ubun | lol |
| 11:13.05 | liable | done that 10 mins ago :( |
| 11:13.15 | SerajewelKS | liable: yup, so time to try again |
| 11:13.26 | SerajewelKS | loverboy: you can try alien |
| 11:13.26 | Gnea | ubun: problem? |
| 11:13.26 | loverboy | :) i,m beginer i know this is for instalation is it? |
| 11:13.30 | ubun | Shadowcat: Como? |
| 11:13.37 | liable | loverboy: why not just get the original .gz? |
| 11:13.39 | ubun | Shadowcat: Como? |
| 11:13.39 | webmonkey | SerajewelKS: should I just change the perm of the dir? at the moment its: drwxrwxr-x 2 admin admin |
| 11:13.51 | loverboy | saraje i didn,t jet.. |
| 11:13.55 | ubun | nome shadow |
| 11:14.02 | SerajewelKS | webmonkey: that's up to who you want to give access to that directory. i can't advise you there. |
| 11:14.12 | Gnea | !ops ubun is trolling - offtopic and refuses to speak english |
| 11:14.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: gnea complains about: ubun is trolling - offtopic and refuses to speak english |
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| 11:14.22 | nwonknu | SerajewelKS cheers for the help seems to be working perfect |
| 11:14.23 | ubun | Gnea !ops ubun is trolling - offtopic and refuses to speak english |
| 11:14.24 | ubun | dpkg Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: gnea complains about: ubun is trolling - offtopic and refuses to speak english |
| 11:14.24 | dpkg | ubun: what are you talking about? |
| 11:14.26 | ubun | lol |
| 11:14.28 | loverboy | i have a lots of .deb like Ooo and similar on .deb |
| 11:14.36 | webmonkey | SerajewelKS: I'm just wondering if its a bad idea from a security point of view? |
| 11:14.41 | ubun | dpkg ubun: what are you talking about? hahaha |
| 11:14.41 | dpkg | okay, ubun |
| 11:14.43 | ubun | boa |
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| 11:14.58 | SerajewelKS | nwonknu: np |
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| 11:15.07 | Gnea | !ops ubun is also abusing the bot |
| 11:15.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: gnea complains about: ubun is also abusing the bot |
| 11:15.11 | ubun | okay, dpkg |
| 11:15.17 | loverboy | alien..some other whay?? anyone??? |
| 11:15.25 | SerajewelKS | !wayttd loverboy |
| 11:15.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, loverboy? |
| 11:15.32 | webmonkey | SerajewelKS: this dir is public viewable from webserver, be a bad idea to set it to 777 eh? |
| 11:15.32 | ubun | claro que sim |
| 11:15.37 | Shadowcat | ubun: you are in Portugal |
| 11:15.39 | ubun | lol |
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| 11:15.44 | ubun | sim |
| 11:15.50 | loverboy | convert .deb to .tgz to install programs on slackware |
| 11:15.55 | streuner | ubun: /j #ubuntu and leave us! |
| 11:15.57 | SerajewelKS | loverboy: don't do that |
| 11:15.59 | loverboy | if is posible.. |
| 11:16.01 | leikh | are there any ftp-servers/clients that can handle tar- and unzip-requests? |
| 11:16.03 | Shadowcat | your ISP is situated at Lugar de Pocos, 2950-425, Palmela |
| 11:16.12 | blondie | loverboy: we don't support slackware |
| 11:16.13 | ubun | streuner ubun: /j #ubuntu and leave us! |
| 11:16.13 | ubun | SerajewelKS loverboy: don't do that |
| 11:16.13 | ubun | loverboy if is posible.. parei ai |
| 11:16.15 | Shadowcat | ubun: now unless you want me to dig up your address and post it here |
| 11:16.17 | SerajewelKS | loverboy: possible, marginally. smart, no. |
| 11:16.22 | Shadowcat | I suggest you shut up |
| 11:16.22 | ubun | loverboy if is posible.. parei ai |
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| 11:16.30 | streuner | hehe |
| 11:16.31 | blondie | WARNING: retard detected |
| 11:16.33 | loverboy | i dont care for smart :) |
| 11:16.42 | SerajewelKS | loverboy: it probably won't even work |
| 11:16.44 | loverboy | always can reinstall slack ;) |
| 11:16.50 | webmonkey | fuk it. |
| 11:16.52 | Shadowcat | loverboy: stop trolling |
| 11:17.03 | Shadowcat | it's Monday, I got an exam in five days, and I'm seriously NOT in a good mood |
| 11:17.14 | loverboy | ok can kpakeckage forced to open .deb? |
| 11:17.24 | Shadowcat | a .deb is a binary package, a tgz is source, you CANNOT convert the two |
| 11:17.24 | SerajewelKS | loverboy: this is #debian, not #slackware |
| 11:17.29 | Shadowcat | and that's the end of it |
| 11:17.36 | lewis | liable: spoke to a colleague who told me that a new lilo update came out six months ago, and I didn't run lilo after the install, hence the bootloader is messed up through my own fault, though can be easily fixed. |
| 11:17.40 | Shadowcat | if you want support in here go install debian, otherwise, BE QUIET |
| 11:17.42 | lewis | appreciate the help. |
| 11:17.46 | loverboy | ok thanks ... |
| 11:17.55 | loverboy | be cool ;) |
| 11:17.59 | SerajewelKS | !hug Shadowcat |
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| 11:18.12 | Shadowcat | !tell root about root |
| 11:18.13 | pandamonium | ah well, the wife wants to go shopping |
| 11:18.24 | Shadowcat | !root |
| 11:18.24 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 11:18.28 | pandamonium | thanks for the help liable much appreciated :) |
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| 11:19.12 | ootput | hi guys, in firefox, is there a quick way (keybind?) to disable image-loading in a session? |
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| 11:19.26 | liable | lewis: ok, so chroot and run lilo |
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| 11:20.10 | loverboy | shadowcat i try to run debian but i can set refresh..my xf86config is on pastebin.com |
| 11:20.14 | omkar | Hi |
| 11:20.28 | omkar | how to change my display driver in debian |
| 11:20.29 | omkar | ? |
| 11:20.31 | SerajewelKS | ootput: there is an extension that will give a toolbar button for this |
| 11:20.38 | liable | !drxx omkar |
| 11:20.39 | omkar | im using sarge |
| 11:20.39 | dpkg | omkar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:20.40 | SerajewelKS | !tell omkar about enter |
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| 11:21.04 | onetinsoldier | hello. would anyone be able to help me with getting a gameport ms sidewinder gamepad working? i have been trying a number of things an have not had any success. kernel version is 2.6.16.16 |
| 11:21.15 | blizzard_ | Question. I wold like to do an own debian package. But the compile of the software adds the path of the prefix, which is not what I want. I want to install it in a temp-dir to catch everything within and add to my package. I need some way to make a chroot but without all the extra software, cp, bash, etc, I want that transparent |
| 11:21.17 | omkar | i have used command #xf86config |
| 11:21.20 | blizzard_ | how can I do that? |
| 11:21.30 | omkar | but it did not fix problem |
| 11:21.38 | pinkwerks | \msg dpkg morals |
| 11:21.38 | liable | omkar: dont use that in debian |
| 11:21.40 | ootput | SerajewelKS: is that part of a whole suite of tools? or is the extension specifically for toggling images? |
| 11:21.43 | omkar | problem is very dull video playback |
| 11:21.47 | omkar | ok |
| 11:21.56 | omkar | so i will use dpkg |
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| 11:22.17 | SerajewelKS | ootput: for toggling images |
| 11:22.27 | webmonkey | is it dangerous to set a dir to 777 perm if its inside a web accessible dir? |
| 11:22.34 | ootput | SerajewelKS: ah, found it. cheers mate |
| 11:22.38 | liable | omkar: you will need to run md5 on the file if you have used xf86config, dpkg wont modify the file untill you do |
| 11:22.40 | SerajewelKS | ootput: np |
| 11:23.01 | omkar | ok |
| 11:23.01 | liable | i wonder how many ops #debian on oftc will have.. |
| 11:23.12 | SerajewelKS | webmonkey: it's generally dangerous to make any directory 777 |
| 11:23.13 | liable | omkar: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 11:23.22 | Shadowcat | liable: right now it's about 1/3 of the channel |
| 11:23.26 | Shadowcat | since we're only 80 in there |
| 11:23.34 | Shadowcat | right... I shouldn't have said that |
| 11:23.47 | webmonkey | SerajewelKS: its the only way I can write a file to it tho across my network. Is it a security risk? |
| 11:24.01 | liable | Shadowcat: i didnt actually understand that comment |
| 11:24.19 | Shadowcat | we're only 80 people in #debian@oftc |
| 11:24.36 | SerajewelKS | webmonkey: it can be |
| 11:24.42 | Shadowcat | so get your ass over there |
| 11:24.43 | Shadowcat | NOW! |
| 11:24.49 | webmonkey | sheesh |
| 11:24.50 | liable | Shadowcat: yeah, i join on occasion and give up when i see 24hours worth of joins and parts |
| 11:25.02 | webmonkey | I wish I knew how to deal with this problem |
| 11:25.16 | Shadowcat | liable: now you know what #debian@efnet looks like |
| 11:25.37 | pinkwerks | webmonkey : probably a bad config on who your serving your 'netowork' via smb/nfs. |
| 11:25.39 | liable | personally i dont see a need to move other than politics, but thats not for a mere user to decide i guess.. |
| 11:25.51 | webmonkey | pinkwerks: I see |
| 11:25.53 | Shadowcat | yawn |
| 11:26.01 | Shadowcat | I wasn't following the discussion in the first place |
| 11:26.04 | sep | once the ops set this chan moderated people will flock over, sometime after irc.debian.org moves it's record. :) |
| 11:26.05 | liable | !slap Shadowcat |
| 11:26.22 | Shadowcat | !beat liable |
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| 11:26.35 | webmonkey | pinkwerks: any pointers? |
| 11:26.53 | Shadowcat | !whack liable |
| 11:26.53 | pinkwerks | webmonkey : well are you sharing via nfs or samba? |
| 11:26.56 | Shadowcat | hmm |
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| 11:27.21 | Shadowcat | !whack liable |
| 11:27.25 | liable | Shadowcat: ok, thats enough of that. fuxor! |
| 11:27.26 | Shadowcat | blegh |
| 11:27.29 | liable | !lose Shadowcat |
| 11:27.29 | dpkg | Shadowcat: You Lose. |
| 11:27.31 | Maulkin | gah |
| 11:27.40 | blondie | sep: poo to that. |
| 11:27.48 | Maulkin | I go to have a shower, and look what happens |
| 11:28.14 | blondie | you get wet? :) |
| 11:28.27 | Phated | Heh. |
| 11:28.31 | omkar | i am not able to find proper driver for my chipset |
| 11:28.33 | Maulkin | Well, yes :) |
| 11:28.33 | liable | sep: excuse my irc ignorance, whats setting to moderated gonna do and what effect will it have? |
| 11:28.34 | webmonkey | pinkwerks: nfs, i followed everything through but may have overlooked something |
| 11:28.39 | Maulkin | There's also three ops calls |
| 11:28.42 | omkar | where i can find display driver |
| 11:29.04 | Shadowcat | !whack liable |
| 11:29.08 | Shadowcat | there, works |
| 11:29.30 | webmonkey | pinkwerks: I have updated exports file with entry for the shared dir, I have put the user sharing into the dir owners group |
| 11:29.32 | liable | great, another thing to get abused with by Shadowcat .. |
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| 11:30.07 | Shadowcat | hey I didn't actually put !beat in there in the first place |
| 11:30.13 | webmonkey | is Shadowcat related to greycat or deadcat? |
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| 11:30.38 | streuner | Maulkin: that's not the fault of those who call them, the reason is you are mostly pretty alone when needed someone... |
| 11:30.48 | MatBoy | huh ? |
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| 11:31.03 | lastnode | wth? |
| 11:31.06 | nwonknu | whats the latest firefox package available for sarge |
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| 11:31.11 | jlaw | man ... i have to tell you something ... it is a bit offtopic, but i bet you'll lough your ass off |
| 11:31.35 | streuner | nwonknu: /msg dpkg info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 11:31.41 | blondie | nwonknu: 1.0.4 |
| 11:31.46 | streuner | nwonknu: or just use pdo (packages.debian.org) |
| 11:31.53 | liable | hrm, when did Maulkin become an op |
| 11:31.57 | omkar | where will I find display card drivers? |
| 11:32.04 | streuner | nwonknu: you could always use the binaries of mozilla |
| 11:32.08 | liable | omkar: i told you already |
| 11:32.10 | pinkwerks | webmonkey : well 777 isn't 'dangerous' if you wan't user/group/other to acess that dir, it's very literal, however simple security with 770 so no accedental mods are made isn't a bad idea. |
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| 11:32.17 | streuner | liable: stew too |
| 11:32.22 | nwonknu | hasnt 1.0.4 got a load of security issues in it |
| 11:32.26 | Shadowcat | did stew become an op? |
| 11:32.28 | streuner | liable: last week, i guess |
| 11:32.29 | webmonkey | pinkwerks: ok thanks |
| 11:32.30 | streuner | yep |
| 11:32.36 | liable | streuner: oh, right, didnt notice that either |
| 11:32.38 | azeem | Shadowcat: yes |
| 11:32.43 | streuner | Shadowcat: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 11:32.51 | Maulkin | nwonknu: http://packages.debian.org/firefox should tell you |
| 11:32.55 | jlaw | today and tomorrow i had/have my final examinations in information technolegies. two tasks: one was today, the other tomorrow. for each of it 8 hours time. todays task was to split up a net with vlsm (just on the paper and i needed 5 minutes) and to set up a base system, debian or suse |
| 11:33.11 | Shadowcat | hmm 19 ops for a channel of 800 |
| 11:33.22 | streuner | that's not the problem |
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| 11:33.35 | Shadowcat | no the problem is that most of those 19 are on one continent |
| 11:33.37 | liable | yeah and about 6 that actually pay any attention. |
| 11:33.43 | webmonkey | pinkwerks: 770 doesnt even allow me to view the contents of dir! |
| 11:33.43 | sep | liable, it would mean that only those with voice could talk in here. basicaly shut down the chan. join #freenode for a demo on how it works |
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| 11:33.52 | Shadowcat | which makes this a parent free zone 10 hours a day |
| 11:34.03 | sep | liable, the only way to make sure the whole chan moves instead of splits up. |
| 11:34.14 | chealer9 | Shadowcat: pfff |
| 11:34.14 | liable | sep: that would be a bit harsh to do that. is that what they are going to do? |
| 11:34.17 | zu22 | i wish to remove /usr/sbin/nscd (debian testing) but dont know what package provides it, what is command to tell what package owns a binary file? |
| 11:34.29 | azeem | sep: why should the whole chan move? |
| 11:34.33 | sep | liable, have no idea. i'ts what i would have done. |
| 11:34.41 | chealer9 | zu22: $ dpkg -S /usr/sbin/nscd |
| 11:34.42 | azeem | there was #debian/oftc before, there will be #debian/freenode afterwards |
| 11:34.43 | amki | zu22: you could use apt-file |
| 11:34.51 | jlaw | 8 hours for that shit^^ but it comes better. the teacher gave us the entry for apt "dep http://...." dep? he was pretty sure about it^^ ... and better: part of the task was to setup a user "Müller" ... omfg is this guy stupid. we neede 10 minutes to explain him why he would never be able to setup a user "Müller" -.- |
| 11:34.52 | Maulkin | liable: Dunno if it's what we're gonna do, but it sounds like a good plan |
| 11:34.57 | zu22 | chealer9: sweet! |
| 11:35.05 | zu22 | amki: ok thx |
| 11:35.21 | jlaw | and that is my final examination ... unbelievable |
| 11:35.34 | liable | Maulkin: sounds a bit fascist to me. freenode has supported #debian for a long time. |
| 11:35.34 | webmonkey | I'm screwed? |
| 11:35.38 | blondie | sep: it's a silly idea -- people would just leave |
| 11:35.39 | pinkwerks | webmonkey : that's because the '0' is 'other' your mountpiont may not allow unknown users to see the mount. the system you are mounting from has to validate itself as 'trusted', make sure you have users with the same UID on both systems etc |
| 11:35.49 | blondie | I don't want to go oftc |
| 11:35.54 | blondie | and I doubt I'm the only one |
| 11:36.00 | webmonkey | pinkwerks: ah |
| 11:36.05 | sep | blondie, not my call |
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| 11:36.19 | zu22 | jlaw: haha what class it this? "Debian fur Dumpkopfs" haha :) |
| 11:36.20 | soccos | there seem to be references to kernels newer than 2.6.10 on debian-kernel, are there .debs anywhere? |
| 11:36.21 | Maulkin | For more info about the move, see Steve MacIntire's posting to debian-devel-announce |
| 11:36.28 | streuner | blondie: stay here then, but keep in mind newbies will prolly join #debian OFTC... |
| 11:36.41 | pinkwerks | webmonkey : usually sharing a common /etc/passwd file does the trink in a network env. without some kind of auth system like LDAP |
| 11:36.42 | sep | blondie, i don't bother i'v been on both oftc and freenode for many years anyway |
| 11:36.47 | blondie | Maulkin: are the people that decided to move irc.debian.org actually in here? |
| 11:36.49 | Maulkin | McIntyre even |
| 11:36.51 | azeem | blondie: no |
| 11:36.56 | jlaw | zu22: it was information technolegies for TAI: Technischer Assistent für Informatik |
| 11:36.57 | streuner | the whole tread is in debian-project |
| 11:37.04 | Maulkin | blondie: some of them. |
| 11:37.07 | zu22 | jlaw: they need better teacher ;) |
| 11:37.11 | jlaw | zu22: and it was our final exam -.- |
| 11:37.18 | zu22 | jlaw: hahahaha! |
| 11:37.22 | blondie | if they're not actually using this channel, they should mind their own business really |
| 11:37.23 | zu22 | jlaw: that is so funny |
| 11:37.27 | liable | yeah, read it, just find it hard to accept when devs want to move that are never in the channel anyway. but i guess we should move this conversation to #politics.. |
| 11:37.39 | azeem | blondie: we're NOT moving this channel, we're moving the irc.debian.org DNS |
| 11:37.41 | sep | zu22, was nscd the perpetator ? |
| 11:37.47 | jlaw | zu22: i don't know if i should laugh about it ... somehow it's sad |
| 11:37.55 | blondie | azeem: fine, but it's mainly going to affect this channel |
| 11:38.05 | azeem | blondie: possibly, yes |
| 11:38.17 | zu22 | sep: i will be able to test after remove it hehe |
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| 11:38.28 | azeem | blondie: there have been discussions with the channel owner and moderators |
| 11:38.38 | azeem | it's pretty pointless to discuss this now |
| 11:38.52 | streuner | you mean you don't want discuss it? |
| 11:38.59 | zu22 | i hope we keep #debian on freenode |
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| 11:39.11 | streuner | zu22: that's up to us |
| 11:39.18 | DaBlade | Whoa.. Xorg just crashed. |
| 11:39.21 | zu22 | say no to OFTC |
| 11:39.22 | DaBlade | First time on Debian. |
| 11:39.34 | zu22 | streuner: i hope you do not leave freenode :) |
| 11:39.38 | Maulkin | #debian will remain on freenode. And on OFTC. irc.debian.org will be cnamed to irc.oftc.net |
| 11:40.11 | azeem | in addition, several of the current ops have declared they will continue to support and moderate #d/freenode |
| 11:40.16 | zu22 | Maulkin: oh ok |
| 11:40.23 | streuner | zu22: well, it was always just fine to stay, so why i should leave... |
| 11:40.31 | possie | in my output of 'ps auxf' i see a lot of processes surrounded with square brackets e.g. [migration/0] where can i find out what kind of processes these are? |
| 11:40.38 | blondie | fine, |
| 11:40.44 | blondie | sep: stop spreading FUD please :P |
| 11:40.46 | bootc | any Debian devs here willing to give a hand with some major package hacking work? |
| 11:40.47 | zu22 | streuner: ja |
| 11:40.52 | pinkwerks | webmonkey : whatever you're up to, most 'not seeing a directory' problems come down to permissons which are controlled at a filesystem or server level. usually the server is conservative in the informations it shares, especially in debian |
| 11:41.07 | azeem | bootc: state your specific question, maybe somebody knows |
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| 11:41.50 | bootc | well, I'm starting work on a mini-fork of Debian with uclibc as libc |
| 11:41.59 | Maulkin | bootc: Also, have a look at #debian-mentors for advice about packaging |
| 11:42.09 | leiv | #flood |
| 11:42.12 | bootc | so I need to rebuild all the base packages for this to work, and hack out Java for size and simplicity |
| 11:42.20 | zu22 | bootc: wow |
| 11:42.41 | streuner | zu22: iam actually now on 3 different servers, and serveral debian channels - so its not a big issue |
| 11:42.41 | abrotman | Maulkin: noone ever helps in there! |
| 11:42.48 | abrotman | oh wait .. </sarcasm> |
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| 11:42.56 | Maulkin | :) |
| 11:42.57 | liable | bootc: then this isnt really the channel to ask for help. try the mailing lists |
| 11:42.58 | jelly-ho | bootc: an not-quite-embedded pc platform? |
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| 11:43.12 | streuner | zu22: but don't ask me about the decisions some people made - bullshit. |
| 11:43.19 | bootc | jelly-ho: that's right, something I was working on previously called PicoDebian |
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| 11:44.57 | zu22 | streuner: ya, i been coming here for several years and don't plan on leaving, freenode is well administred irc network and #debian is great channel, much better than the crap you have to put up with on efnet/undernet hehe |
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| 11:45.18 | sep | bootc, why dont you join leaf.sf.net the bering-uclibc team instead ? i think they use debian as the original |
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| 11:46.19 | abrotman | there are many children distros |
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| 11:46.31 | bootc | liable: which lists do you suggest? |
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| 11:46.52 | bootc | sep: that seems geared towards even smaller hardware than I was looking at |
| 11:47.01 | sep | bootc, ack |
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| 11:47.17 | sep | i use it on regular pc's with 16MB flashdrives |
| 11:47.17 | bootc | sep: wanted to keep quite up-to-date and base it on at least Sarge |
| 11:47.31 | sep | bootc, good luck :) |
| 11:47.39 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 11:47.40 | bootc | sep: thanks, I'll need it! |
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| 11:47.55 | abrotman | or check lwn.net for another list |
| 11:47.56 | lakez | is there a way to probe the kernel to see if it was compiled with UFS support ? |
| 11:48.02 | liable | bootc: as Maulkin suggested, debian-mentors is a good start |
| 11:48.14 | abrotman | lakez: look in the modules? |
| 11:48.20 | liable | lakez: grep the config? |
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| 11:51.25 | tralala | hey, what's the opposite of hexdump? I have a hexdump file and I want to convert it to the corresponding ascii. |
| 11:51.34 | Foobar | Do ssh sessions time out with a maintainers configuration? |
| 11:51.38 | SerajewelKS | is there any encrypted filesystem-type package in debian that will just insert a layer between a file and mount, e.g. to encrypt a device at the block level? |
| 11:52.03 | SerajewelKS | i want to encrypt the contents of a cd, but hesitate to use encfs for this because of backwards-compatibility concerns |
| 11:52.10 | liable | Foobar: what is this "maintainers configuration" you talk of? |
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| 11:52.33 | abrotman | liable: the default that gets created for you |
| 11:52.41 | lexter | Hi! Can the debian/azeures-Package run without X? |
| 11:52.41 | sep | SerajewelKS, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/204 |
| 11:52.43 | abrotman | Foobar: more likely a firewall |
| 11:52.50 | sep | SerajewelKS, nevermind :P |
| 11:52.51 | atiti89 | O_o |
| 11:52.52 | sep | lol |
| 11:52.58 | tralala | SerajewelKS: if you encrypt at block device level you won't end up with an iso9660 filesystem |
| 11:53.03 | SerajewelKS | sep: heh |
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| 11:53.27 | SerajewelKS | tralala: that's not my plan, and anyway that would still work |
| 11:53.29 | Garp | Hi. |
| 11:53.39 | SerajewelKS | tralala: i would just insert this layer between /dev/cdrom and mount |
| 11:54.24 | SerajewelKS | while encfs does have advantages i am unsure how it will behave when on a CD, and if a later change to encfs will break it. |
| 11:54.28 | Maulkin | lexter: Probably not, no |
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| 11:54.52 | lexter | Maulkin: OK! So I will try another solution |
| 11:54.55 | tralala | SerajewelKS: I'm not sure how to do that. You can achieve something similar with using an encrypted file and loop mount it. |
| 11:55.24 | SerajewelKS | tralala: but what process would be decrypting it? |
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| 11:55.34 | tralala | SerajewelKS: the kernel itself |
| 11:55.42 | tralala | linux only, though |
| 11:55.44 | pinkwerks | Garp : H E L L O |
| 11:56.04 | SerajewelKS | tralala: yes, and it only offers extremely insecure or slow encryption options |
| 11:56.35 | atiti89 | store your porn somewhere else :/ |
| 11:56.50 | Garp | Question: "rmmod i810_audio" returns "i810_audio: Device or resource busy" lsmod says "i810_audio 31256 1 (autoclean)" <- How can I know what is using this module ? |
| 11:56.50 | Foobar | liable: Debian has maintainers version of configuration files. I mean those. |
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| 11:57.11 | SerajewelKS | atiti89: this happens to be a proprietary source tree, thank you very much |
| 11:57.29 | liable | Foobar: ok, wasnt exactly sure what you meant. |
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| 11:57.56 | tralala | SerajewelKS: how about dm-crypt? |
| 11:58.11 | liable | Foobar: a better expalanation would prolly be a "default" config :) |
| 11:58.20 | Garp | pinkwerks: what ? |
| 11:58.31 | pinkwerks | Garp : Everyone know the Debian maintainers are a myth from childhood |
| 11:59.01 | Garp | pinkwerks: really? |
| 11:59.12 | liable | pinkwerks: hit the crack pipe hard tonight? |
| 12:00.12 | pinkwerks | Garp, no, liable, </sarcasm> |
| 12:00.23 | abrotman | pinkwerks: how is that related to his question ? |
| 12:00.47 | Garp | abrotman: maybe it's a bot? |
| 12:00.56 | abrotman | or brain-damaged |
| 12:00.57 | pinkwerks | abrotman : garp said "hi", i didn't fidn that to be a question. |
| 12:01.13 | SerajewelKS | tralala: hmm, would this support using something like gpg to encrypt and decrypt? i would like to use my key if at all possible. |
| 12:01.13 | abrotman | Garp: i'm going with the latter |
| 12:01.28 | AJR | how do I go about getting grub onto a hard drive? My PC was dual-booting Windows (on hda) and Debian (on hdb) but hda has died and the system won't boot, I guess because grub was loading from the boot sector on hda. Any thoughts? |
| 12:01.55 | abrotman | Garp: if you know which device is created .. you can run 'fuser' on it to see what PID is using it |
| 12:02.09 | liable | AJR: do have any rescue disks other than the install cd? |
| 12:02.18 | atiti89 | AJR boot a livecd, mount up hdb and reinstall grub |
| 12:02.24 | AJR | yeah, i can start the system using aknoppix CD |
| 12:02.39 | tralala | SerajewelKS: I'm not sure, but here's the google first hit: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-crypto/2004-07/msg00045.html |
| 12:02.45 | liable | AJR: so run grub-install /dev/hdb |
| 12:02.45 | Garp | abrotman: thanks, I'll look that way. I've only tried with 'lsof' |
| 12:02.58 | AJR | ahh, nice and simple : |
| 12:02.58 | abrotman | Garp: well .. lsof should work too |
| 12:03.00 | AJR | :) |
| 12:03.01 | liable | AJR: you will prolly need to remount it rw first though |
| 12:03.01 | atiti89 | but first chroot to ur hda |
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| 12:03.10 | atiti89 | err hdb |
| 12:03.13 | abrotman | Garp: i guess the trick is to know which device that module made |
| 12:03.24 | atiti89 | otherwise it will write the knoppix's grub... |
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| 12:04.26 | lakez | sweet, ufs was compiled in as a module .. i love debain |
| 12:04.28 | lakez | debian |
| 12:04.49 | SerajewelKS | tralala: hrm, that might work... presumably i would store the gpg-encrypted key on the CD media itself? |
| 12:05.49 | rusher | hello |
| 12:06.47 | SerajewelKS | tralala: i'm starting to consider just using encfs... |
| 12:07.04 | SerajewelKS | tralala: but that doesn't allow me to use my gpg key |
| 12:07.32 | rusher | anyone know when the next verison of ubuntu is going ? |
| 12:07.38 | AJR | liable: I've just tried "grub-install /dev/hdb" and it says "Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device." |
| 12:07.39 | Garp | abrotman: Thanks for your help... I've not yet found. I've no time left for this now, may come back later. |
| 12:07.44 | zu22 | hi |
| 12:07.44 | abrotman | rusher: ask #ubuntu |
| 12:07.50 | zu22 | !ubuntu |
| 12:07.51 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 12:07.53 | Garp | bebye |
| 12:07.58 | abrotman | Garp: ok .. later |
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| 12:09.21 | lakez | !based on debian |
| 12:09.22 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 12:09.24 | liable | AJR: is hda still in the box? whats fdisk -l say? |
| 12:09.33 | liable | fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
| 12:09.49 | AJR | hda is still there, yeah |
| 12:10.06 | AJR | fdisk says "Cannot open /dev/hdb", but hdb1 mounts fine |
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| 12:10.23 | SerajewelKS | blargh |
| 12:10.34 | intero | hi. i have a ftp user. how do i know its password? |
| 12:10.36 | liable | AJR: erm, yeah, mount whatever / is on. |
| 12:11.03 | liable | AJR: but grub-install /dev/hdb should work |
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| 12:12.26 | blondie | oftc doesn't support server passwords for nickserv |
| 12:12.29 | blondie | therefore it's rubbish! |
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| 12:13.18 | AJR | /dev/hdb1 which is where / lives has been mounted automatically by knoppix at /mnt/hdb1 and I can see everything on there fine |
| 12:13.59 | liable | AJR: and /boot is on that drive? |
| 12:14.10 | AJR | yep |
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| 12:14.55 | liable | AJR: try grub interactively.. grub; root (hd1,0); setup (hd1); quit |
| 12:15.04 | davis | i am trying to automati callystart two xterms in my .xinitrc file, but gdm/blackbox seems to ignore them.what is the deal? |
| 12:15.17 | AJR | well, there's /mnt/hdb1/boot which is the /boot from debian, and there's an actual /boot (in the current filesystem) which is knoppix's one |
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| 12:16.04 | sonasks | hello. i made a system user and define a direcotry to him in ftp but everytime i login it throws me to my home directory - any ideas ?? |
| 12:16.06 | liable | AJR: chroot into it, then run grub-install /dev/hdb |
| 12:16.22 | AJR | ahhh, how do I do that? |
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| 12:16.52 | liable | AJR: chroot /mnt/hdb1 |
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| 12:17.16 | AJR | ahhh :) |
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| 12:17.31 | Chaos_ | anyone around? |
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| 12:18.10 | Chaos_ | anyone have experience with digital cameras and using them in Debian? |
| 12:18.13 | ootput | gah! alsa issues abound |
| 12:18.39 | blondie | !anyone |
| 12:18.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:19.08 | ootput | direct it at a person, and wait for a yes or no answer |
| 12:19.14 | liable | Chaos_: if you cant mount it as a storage device, then see if gphoto2 supports it |
| 12:19.27 | Chaos_ | gtkam doesn't support it |
| 12:19.37 | Chaos_ | it didn't autodetect it or have it listed |
| 12:19.47 | AJR | when i run grub-install in the chroot I get "/sbin/grub-install: line 485: /dev/null: Permission denied" |
| 12:19.55 | azeem | Chaos_: try gthumb/gnome-volume-manager |
| 12:20.02 | Maulkin | Chaos_: Is there anything displayed by dmesg after you plug it in? |
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| 12:20.04 | azeem | Chaos_: is it a usb-storage cam? |
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| 12:20.20 | Chaos_ | but I'm in gnome and when I plug it in and turn it on a popup comes and says that it detects a camera but then when I tell it to download the pictures it says it sees it has a segfault |
| 12:20.27 | Chaos_ | azeem: how do I know if it is? |
| 12:20.46 | Chaos_ | yeah dmesg says May 29 04:46:24 debian kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2 |
| 12:20.48 | Chaos_ | May 29 04:46:24 debian kernel: usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 12:21.05 | azeem | Chaos_: are you using stable/sarge? |
| 12:21.10 | Chaos_ | slideshow[3937]: segfault at 00007fff00000018 rip 00002ae0f9d59b2e rsp 00007fffff9af5b0 error 4 |
| 12:21.12 | Chaos_ | hell no |
| 12:21.14 | liable | AJR: whats ls -l /dev/null say? |
| 12:21.15 | Chaos_ | I use unstable |
| 12:21.21 | liable | ... |
| 12:21.27 | Chaos_ | sarge is for the weak |
| 12:21.27 | Chaos_ | :D |
| 12:21.29 | AJR | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Apr 12 16:53 /dev/null |
| 12:21.31 | azeem | Chaos_: slideshow? |
| 12:21.50 | azeem | Chaos_: well, debug it then :P |
| 12:21.51 | Chaos_ | azeem: the popup asked if I wanted the pictures from the detected camera to be downloaded into an album |
| 12:21.59 | liable | Chaos_: yep, sid is for the strong.. and competent.. |
| 12:22.03 | Chaos_ | my choice was that or "ignore" |
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| 12:22.12 | Chaos_ | so I chose that and it segfaulted |
| 12:22.24 | Chaos_ | sarge is old and slow |
| 12:22.48 | Gnea | for you |
| 12:22.53 | Chaos_ | but I'm not going to argue about releases :P |
| 12:22.58 | _MiTo_ | sarge old and slow? wtf |
| 12:23.02 | _MiTo_ | old yes |
| 12:23.04 | Gnea | please don't, it's pointless :) |
| 12:23.04 | _MiTo_ | :) |
| 12:23.26 | Chaos_ | because we all know that sid is the best |
| 12:23.38 | Gnea | moving on... |
| 12:23.38 | _MiTo_ | Sid will break your toys man |
| 12:23.45 | Chaos_ | anyway how do I know if it's a usb storage cam? |
| 12:23.45 | azeem | Chaos_: anyway, run it in gdb or something |
| 12:23.46 | azeem | dunno |
| 12:23.53 | liable | AJR: never had that, try grub as i said before |
| 12:23.54 | Chaos_ | gdb? |
| 12:24.06 | azeem | !info gdb unstable |
| 12:24.09 | dpkg | gdb: (The GNU Debugger), section devel, is standard. Version: 6.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2692 kB, Installed size: 5344 kB |
| 12:24.28 | Chaos_ | what is it? |
| 12:24.34 | regsvr32 | i have an idea about bittorrent. |
| 12:24.53 | liable | Gnea: why is debina so old?!? lolzz!!!! :P |
| 12:25.41 | Sonderblade | how do you find which pkgs a pkg depend on? |
| 12:25.44 | davis | i am trying to get two xterms to start up automaticallly when i start X. I added them to my .xinitrc file, but debian/gdm/X/blackbox seems to ignore them. please advise. |
| 12:25.55 | azeem | Sonderblade: apt-cache show <package> | grep Depends |
| 12:25.59 | liable | Sonderblade: aptitude show pkg |
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| 12:26.08 | liable | !lose me |
| 12:26.08 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
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| 12:26.38 | Sonderblade | thanks |
| 12:26.39 | AJR | liable: doing "root (hd1,0)" in grub gets "Error 21: Selected disk does not exist" :-/ |
| 12:26.59 | tralala | !win me |
| 12:27.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, tralala! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 12:27.13 | liable | AJR: ok, do root <tab> |
| 12:27.14 | regsvr32 | i think if i invite some friends' idle machines to join a torrent (where i am a peer), it will benefit the swarm, or specifically, myself. |
| 12:27.20 | tralala | bah, I already have this. |
| 12:27.24 | Chaos_ | gphoto2 doesn't support my camera |
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| 12:27.36 | S0UL_0F_R00T | hi ther for anybody and have a nice day :) |
| 12:27.51 | davis | Sonderblade: howdy |
| 12:28.08 | abrotman | regsvr32: how is this related to debian ? |
| 12:28.16 | tralala | !nickometer S0UL_0F_R00T |
| 12:28.18 | dpkg | 'S0UL_0F_R00T' is 99.870% lame, tralala |
| 12:28.36 | azeem | *sigh* |
| 12:28.36 | tralala | l33t! |
| 12:28.39 | liable | aww, but he wished you a nice day! :( |
| 12:28.43 | azeem | tralala: please /msg the bot |
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| 12:29.08 | tralala | azeem: I only wanted to share with you! |
| 12:29.20 | davis | !nickometer davis |
| 12:29.22 | dpkg | 'davis' is 0.000% lame, davis |
| 12:29.30 | azeem | great job |
| 12:29.41 | AJR | liable:root and then hitting tab gets "Error 1: Filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist". methinks something other than just the one drive might be dodgy :-( |
| 12:29.58 | S0UL_0F_R00T | i not a Bot. |
| 12:30.01 | socketERR | i have some memory sticks and want to set a specified mountpoint for each memory stick. can anyone give my a hint? |
| 12:30.14 | tralala | liable: yeah, but seeing all those 0s I just couldn't stop it |
| 12:30.15 | liable | AJR: prolly my bad instructions :) root (hd<tab> |
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| 12:30.31 | AJR | different error now :) |
| 12:30.36 | liable | haha |
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| 12:30.38 | AJR | "Error 11: Unrecognized device string" |
| 12:30.44 | Chaos_ | :\ |
| 12:30.47 | AJR | opps, forgot the ( |
| 12:30.48 | Chaos_ | gdb doesn't do anything |
| 12:30.50 | lewis | do lines in syslog saying 'Cannot allocate memory |
| 12:30.56 | lewis | mean what I think it does? |
| 12:31.10 | AJR | with the bracket tab does nothing |
| 12:31.13 | tralala | lewis: it probably means you're out of memory |
| 12:31.34 | liable | AJR: bah, i dont play with it that often. my memory must be bad. but (hd1,0) should(tm) have worked.. |
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| 12:31.44 | lewis | which would explain why, until the reboot, I could ping the machine, but not access any services... |
| 12:32.05 | regsvr32 | abrotman: no. sorry. |
| 12:32.07 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
| 12:32.42 | Chaos_ | bow before me for I am root |
| 12:32.46 | tralala | !hack root |
| 12:32.47 | liable | AJR: yeah <tab> means the tab key :) |
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| 12:33.00 | AJR | I worked that bit out :-) |
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| 12:33.43 | ootput | holy shit, so many libasound2 issues |
| 12:33.46 | davis | i read that .xinitrc needs to be a script. Does that mean I need to make its perms +x and add #!/bin/sh? |
| 12:33.52 | Chaos_ | so no other ideas about how to get my camera to work in debian? |
| 12:33.55 | ootput | at first i thought it was isolated to mplayer |
| 12:34.09 | Chaos_ | f that's it I'll have to reboot into Windows just to get pics off my cam |
| 12:34.10 | tralala | davis: you need +x, you don't need #!/bin/sh |
| 12:34.12 | Chaos_ | which is pretty lae |
| 12:34.16 | liable | AJR: just to get it straight, you type 'grub', get the > prompt, type 'root (hd1,0)? |
| 12:34.19 | Chaos_ | s/lae/lame |
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| 12:34.21 | davis | tralala: thanks. |
| 12:34.35 | davis | Chaos you tried usb cable? |
| 12:34.38 | tralala | Chaos_: gphoto or usb storage |
| 12:34.44 | liable | Chaos_: google the camera. |
| 12:34.49 | Chaos_ | gphoto doesn't support it |
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| 12:35.09 | AJR | liable: yep |
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| 12:35.10 | tijn | as far as i know, you can try and mount it as external storage |
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| 12:35.20 | tralala | Chaos_: and it isn't an usb storage type of camera? |
| 12:35.22 | atsi | hi there. i got a kinda difficult question. i got a dynamic adsl at home and the pc runs windows xp. at work i got a dynamic adsl with the pc running linux. i need to setup a VPN between those two points. someone that would like to help? |
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| 12:35.54 | liable | AJR: and your / is all on hdb1? |
| 12:36.06 | bootc | atsi: try OpenVPN: http://openvpn.net/ |
| 12:36.07 | tralala | atsi: ssh + port forwarding - quick and easy |
| 12:36.11 | AJR | yep |
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| 12:36.50 | atsi | tralala, what do u mean port forawrding? which ports in particular? |
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| 12:37.13 | Chaos_ | tralala: I don't know if it is or isn't |
| 12:37.15 | Chaos_ | I don't know how to tell |
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| 12:37.18 | atsi | bootc, is that all i need? |
| 12:37.22 | Chaos_ | I have a card in it that holds 1GB |
| 12:37.30 | RvGaTe | hoe do i clear my mailfile ? its huge becouse of wrong cron :P |
| 12:37.32 | Chaos_ | does that make it s usb storage camera? |
| 12:37.33 | tralala | atsi: it depends on what you want. If you want to run a particular app only - the ports of the app. If you want a real network this won't work. |
| 12:37.38 | azeem | Chaos_: no |
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| 12:37.41 | liable | AJR: hrm, and hda is still in the box? try (hd0,0) (for shits and giggles) |
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| 12:37.47 | azeem | Chaos_: dmesg should tell you if it is usb-storay AFAIK |
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| 12:38.02 | beanz | Why is security.debianorg b0rked? |
| 12:38.04 | beanz | security.debian.org. 2206 IN A 0.0.0.0 |
| 12:38.06 | azeem | Chaos_: otherwise, look for /dev/sd{a,b,c}* |
| 12:38.10 | AJR | the phyiscial disk is still there, but nothing sees it (not even the bios) |
| 12:38.12 | lewis2 | if I was getting lots of 'Cannot allocate memory' errors in syslog, which type of memory is it talking about, virtual, or real? I had munin running, and have information on: apps, swap_cache, slab_cache, cache, buffers, unused, swap, active and inactive |
| 12:38.20 | Chaos_ | usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3 |
| 12:38.24 | matej_ | can anybody suggest what to do with the currently screwed up sound in /unstable? Before yesterday's upgrade I was able to play at least through oss emulation with xine, but now even that doesn't work (kaffeine refuses to restart engine, artsd does start, but doesn't play anything, and even cat music.au > /dev/dsp doesn't make any sound)? |
| 12:38.35 | azeem | Chaos_: that's not enough |
| 12:38.36 | atsi | tralala, hehehe. i thought so. that's why ui said vpn. i am using ssh at the moment, but i want to implement a network fully scale. |
| 12:38.36 | nicoco | hi ! since alsa upgrade, every soft that should use sound returns : ALSA lib control.c:816 (snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default |
| 12:38.41 | azeem | Chaos_: is the usb-storage module loaded? |
| 12:38.43 | liable | AJR: hdb should still be hdb, but try it anyway |
| 12:38.47 | qweo | matej_: just install testing's version |
| 12:38.49 | nicoco | it's been working perfectly until now |
| 12:38.52 | SerajewelKS | atsi: OpenVPN is nice |
| 12:38.52 | RvGaTe | When i remove this file: /var/mail/:some_username:, will it be re-created when that user recieves an email? |
| 12:38.54 | tralala | Chaos_: make sure it is on and ready to transfer pictures, plug the cable into the pc and see the syslog for usb-storage reports |
| 12:38.58 | bootc | atsi: that would do the job quite nicely, read up on it |
| 12:39.02 | atsi | SerajewelKS, thanks |
| 12:39.04 | azeem | matej_: try libasound2 -7 from incoming |
| 12:39.04 | AJR | liable: but "root (hd0,0)" gives the same error "Selected disk does not exist" |
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| 12:39.09 | bootc | atsi: works on Linux and Winblows, just what you want |
| 12:39.22 | matej_ | azeta_: of what? libasound? |
| 12:39.25 | ootput | matej_: i'm dying here without sound |
| 12:39.25 | atsi | bootc, ok. thanks a lot mate. |
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| 12:39.33 | bootc | atsi: np |
| 12:39.35 | SerajewelKS | atsi: OpenVPN can do VPN over UDP too, so using UDP NAT traversal you can establish a VPN between two firewalled boxen |
| 12:39.46 | qweo | matej_: it's "fixed" in -6 version of libasound2,but my alsa-oss still not working,i'm downgraded to -3 version |
| 12:39.51 | atsi | SerajewelKS, thanks chied |
| 12:39.54 | atsi | chief |
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| 12:39.58 | bootc | atsi: or if firewalled like crazy you can even get it to run over an HTTP proxy, or SSH |
| 12:40.07 | streuner | qweo: try -4 out of testing |
| 12:40.11 | liable | AJR: hrm. |
| 12:40.23 | matej_ | qweo: yeah, that's what I upgraded yesterday and I am even more screwed than before. |
| 12:40.27 | atsi | bootc, no that scenario does not exist. i am not that hard firewalled. |
| 12:40.34 | ootput | azeem, qweo: what's the negative integer |
| 12:40.41 | streuner | qweo: s/-4/-3/ |
| 12:40.44 | azeem | matej_: yes |
| 12:40.45 | Chaos_ | azeem: I don't have that as a module |
| 12:40.52 | Chaos_ | I included it in the kernel |
| 12:40.53 | nicoco | no one ever experienced those alsa problems ? |
| 12:40.55 | matej_ | azeta_: downloading ... |
| 12:40.55 | azeem | Chaos_: dunno then |
| 12:40.57 | AJR | liable: my thoughs exactly :-/ |
| 12:41.01 | azeem | matej_: I'm called azeem |
| 12:41.10 | nicoco | Invalid CTL default : what does that mean ? |
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| 12:41.32 | liable | AJR: whats the / line from fdsik -l? |
| 12:41.45 | Chaos_ | root partition |
| 12:41.57 | azeem | beanz: can you try again? |
| 12:42.05 | ootput | nicoco: plenty of us sid'rs are |
| 12:42.05 | beanz | azeem: works now. weird. |
| 12:42.13 | azeem | beanz: :) |
| 12:42.19 | beanz | azeem: did you change something? or was it my fault? |
| 12:42.21 | azeem | they killed bind |
| 12:42.31 | onetinsoldier | hello. anyone able to help me get a gameport gamepad working? i have been trying to no avail. my latest attempt was to add all the modules to /etc/modules but it's still not working. |
| 12:42.41 | AJR | liable: in the chroot? fdisk -l says "cannot open /proc/partitions" |
| 12:42.43 | nicoco | ootput : do i only have to wait for an update ? or do something ? |
| 12:42.52 | liable | AJR: mount proc |
| 12:43.18 | beanz | azeem: sound like a conspiracy. who are "they"? :) |
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| 12:43.31 | azeem | beanz: Debian System Administration |
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| 12:43.35 | AJR | now fdisk -l doesn't say anything |
| 12:43.40 | beanz | azeem: heh okay |
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| 12:43.50 | simulcra | how do i change the default font in fluxbox into artwiz font? what do i need to do? thanks |
| 12:44.04 | dhuv | hello all, I need to install X.org 6.8 on my debian testing system |
| 12:44.06 | E0x | simulcra: mod the theme |
| 12:44.11 | E0x | to use artwiz font |
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| 12:44.18 | nwonknu | anyonanyone know where i can get mplayer for debian |
| 12:44.20 | Chaos_ | alright, it's time for Windows |
| 12:44.24 | Chaos_ | so I can mount a camera |
| 12:44.25 | nwonknu | as a package |
| 12:44.28 | azeem | dhuv: testing has x.org 6.8 |
| 12:44.28 | Chaos_ | this is absurd |
| 12:44.29 | dhuv | unfortunately the current X is 6.9 and I need 6.8 because of the ivtv driver issues. |
| 12:44.35 | beanz | azeem: thanks bye |
| 12:44.35 | streuner | Chaos_: no |
| 12:44.42 | azeem | Chaos_: well, sorry that your camera is not supported |
| 12:44.42 | streuner | Chaos_: try gphoto2 |
| 12:44.50 | dhuv | azeem: its only 6.9 |
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| 12:44.55 | dhuv | I wish it had 6.8 |
| 12:44.56 | azeem | dhuv: "only" |
| 12:44.58 | Chaos_ | streuner: I already tried it and it's not supported |
| 12:45.00 | azeem | dhuv: why? |
| 12:45.10 | azeem | Chaos_: complain to your vendor |
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| 12:45.19 | azeem | they probably did not release specs |
| 12:45.21 | dhuv | because 6.9 has a new driver system and the ivtv driver is only made for 6.8 |
| 12:45.33 | dhuv | they have to make changes to it so it can work with 6.9 |
| 12:45.40 | Chaos_ | azeem: other models of the same kind have support |
| 12:45.43 | streuner | Chaos_: what's the manufactor, btw? |
| 12:45.45 | Chaos_ | I've tried using their drivers |
| 12:45.48 | Chaos_ | it does't work |
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| 12:45.59 | Chaos_ | konica minolta dimage z10 |
| 12:46.01 | E0x | nwonknu: http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 12:46.05 | liable | AJR: well, i give up. sorry, but i gotta go to bed. never had that much trouble from a knoppix disk. maybe try taking the dead disk out and set the debian one as master and try again. good luck. |
| 12:46.12 | qweo | dhuv: just man apt_preferences |
| 12:46.17 | AJR | chears, thanks for the help |
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| 12:46.22 | ootput | nicoco: dunno, mate |
| 12:46.22 | liable | np |
| 12:46.32 | ootput | nicoco: i suppose as soon as they resolve the bugs |
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| 12:46.43 | tralala | Chaos_: buying linux compatible hardware is still a pain but the manufacturers who make such hardware deserve our support. So next time make sure you buy from someone who has linux in mind. |
| 12:47.07 | nicoco | so... no one found a temporary way to listen music ? |
| 12:47.08 | Chaos_ | tralala: I bought what was available at the PX and that I liked and was in my price range |
| 12:47.19 | Chaos_ | I wasn't concerned about linux compatibility at the time |
| 12:47.29 | azeem | Chaos_: fair enough |
| 12:47.36 | RvGaTe | Is there a livecd based on debian, with kde/gnome and many apps not only for recovering but for working aswell? |
| 12:47.40 | lewis2 | if a system cannot 'allocate memory' - can someone tell me which kind it is? |
| 12:47.44 | Chaos_ | anyway I'm returning to WIndows to mount it for pictures |
| 12:47.48 | azeem | your "I am going for Windows to mount my camera" sounded like whining, though |
| 12:47.48 | Chaos_ | bbl |
| 12:47.49 | matej_ | azeem: sorry (the first completion in this channel); didn't help -- now kaffeine doesn't complain and starts with alsa sink, plays, no errors, but no sound. Should I restart KDE? |
| 12:48.04 | Chaos_ | wah wah wah |
| 12:48.06 | azeem | matej_: dunno, I don't use KDE. Maybe it helps. |
| 12:48.13 | azeem | matej_: others have reported success with -7 |
| 12:48.14 | Chaos_ | I want milk and cookies and everything done for me |
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| 12:48.33 | Chaos_ | :P it is me saying I don't like having to boot into Windows though |
| 12:48.49 | matej_ | azeem: I have -7. OK, time for restart. See you. |
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| 12:49.38 | ootput | azeem: where is this -7? |
| 12:49.44 | ootput | is that a revision number? |
| 12:49.46 | azeem | ootput: incoming.debian.org |
| 12:49.47 | azeem | yes |
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| 12:51.05 | dhuv | azeem: the preferences can do just the trick, but I need x.org 6.8 in the repositories |
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| 12:51.25 | dhuv | I went to http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ and checked, but did not see 6.8 |
| 12:51.34 | dhuv | do you know if perhaps I just dont see it? |
| 12:51.37 | azeem | dhuv: you could try snapshot.debian.net |
| 12:51.39 | nwonknu | anyone recommend anygood repositories to add to my sources.list |
| 12:51.49 | azeem | dhuv: testing has 6.9, there's no 6.8 for testing anywhere |
| 12:51.55 | blondie | nwonknu: what for? |
| 12:51.56 | ootput | why did he have to restart |
| 12:52.24 | matej_ | azeem: yeah, restart of KDE helped -- now alsa works (OSS doesn't, but who cares? ;-)) both with xine and arts. Thanks a lot! |
| 12:52.25 | nwonknu | general packages like mplayer codecs and general other stuff |
| 12:52.38 | SerajewelKS | !tell nwonknu about marillat |
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| 12:53.31 | nwonknu | SerajewelKS ty |
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| 12:55.45 | nicoco | excuse me if my question is stupid : everybody that use sid can't use sound since today ? |
| 12:56.00 | streuner | ALSA |
| 12:56.04 | noshitheel | hi everybody |
| 12:56.22 | noshitheel | nicoco: i have the same problem as you |
| 12:56.33 | azeem | dudes, it's unstable |
| 12:56.39 | streuner | libasound2 is a ALSA library |
| 12:56.42 | azeem | did you check the bug tracking system? |
| 12:57.01 | nicoco | oss doesn't work either for me |
| 12:57.02 | matej_ | streuner: libasoun2*-7 from incoming.debian.org and restart X. |
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| 12:57.06 | noshitheel | yeah for sure it's unstable, that's why we use it dude ;-) |
| 12:57.14 | matej_ | nicoco: the same :-) |
| 12:57.29 | streuner | matej_: heh |
| 12:57.34 | noshitheel | it seems that we'll have to wait 'till tomorrow folks |
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| 12:58.04 | E0x | alsa is broke in sid |
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| 12:58.10 | matej_ | streuner: (just probability that this advice will help for anybody mentioning alsa ;-) ) |
| 12:58.24 | E0x | so if you are not make a updagrade recently dont do it |
| 12:58.37 | E0x | or you sound will broke |
| 12:58.39 | oboy | can anyone please give me some hints to remove a module from the initrd? (debian i686 etch) |
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| 12:59.00 | jelly-ho | What's this thing mentioned a bit ago about (re)moving the channel from freenode? |
| 12:59.06 | streuner | OSS just run fine :-) |
| 12:59.13 | streuner | s/run/work/ |
| 12:59.18 | azeem | jelly-ho: it was bad information, this channel is going to stick around |
| 12:59.21 | tempy | is there a debian project for the Elderly, similar to Debian-Junior/Kids? |
| 12:59.22 | lewis2 | what is the name of that apache status program, something like apachetop? |
| 12:59.39 | chealer9 | jelly-ho: /topic |
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| 12:59.42 | matej_ | streuner: it won't if you upgrade to libasound2*-7 (if you don't use real OSS modules from kernel). |
| 12:59.54 | matej_ | tempy: what do you need? |
| 13:00.08 | jelly-ho | chealer9: funny thing is I took a look. |
| 13:00.08 | tempy | hmm |
| 13:00.25 | streuner | matej_: what do you think i would use instead, unreal modules? ;-) |
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| 13:00.45 | matej_ | streuner: OSS emulation over ALSA (as most people do with 2.6* kernel) |
| 13:01.04 | tempy | to see if debian would be a good o/s to start teaching PC/linux skills on as part of a community type project |
| 13:01.08 | nicoco | installing libasound...-7 did work for me |
| 13:01.18 | streuner | matej_: modprobe your_soundcard_module is enough :-) |
| 13:01.28 | streuner | (OSS) |
| 13:01.30 | E0x | nicoco: nice tip |
| 13:01.32 | nicoco | let's hope it won't be a problem on my next upgrade |
| 13:01.48 | matej_ | streuner: sure for you (otherwise I had terrible problems with support for my card with OSS) |
| 13:02.11 | matej_ | streuner: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) |
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| 13:02.32 | nicoco | thanks i can go back to work now (althought fixing my debian was funnier) |
| 13:02.32 | streuner | matej_: get a 'real' soundcard |
| 13:02.37 | streuner | emu10k1 |
| 13:02.47 | matej_ | streuner: ehm, not with this notebook |
| 13:02.50 | nicoco | goodbye folks |
| 13:03.00 | noshitheel | nicoco: you've installed libasound...-7 and now you get sound ? |
| 13:03.09 | matej_ | noshitheel: yes |
| 13:03.34 | ootput | ah, revision 7 works |
| 13:03.37 | ootput | fantatic |
| 13:03.54 | E0x | noshitheel: the exact name of the packages ? |
| 13:03.55 | noshitheel | matej_ : hope it'll work for me dude |
| 13:04.18 | matej_ | noshitheel: try it -- what's your DE -- KDE or GNOME or something else? |
| 13:04.31 | tempy | matej_: answer to your question => to see if debian would be a good o/s to start teaching PC/linux skills on as part of a community type project |
| 13:04.44 | noshitheel | matej_ : i'm using xfce |
| 13:05.08 | lakez | is there a guide to installing *.rpm's ? |
| 13:05.18 | azeem | lakez: install .debs rather |
| 13:05.35 | lakez | none exist for mysql .. they release *.rpm's |
| 13:05.51 | lakez | and i want the latest ... not apt-get install mysql |
| 13:05.53 | tempy | man rpm or rpm --help |
| 13:05.53 | lakez | 5.1.9 |
| 13:06.01 | wolf6 | is there small software to read ppt file? Oo is too big. |
| 13:06.02 | nwonknu | ive just got mplayer from http://www.debian-multimedia.org when i try open up a video in it it says "Error Opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.?? |
| 13:06.02 | matej_ | tempy: I think it will be as good as any other Linux distribution. Maybe if it will mostly with desktops (which I assume it will be -- granny runnng multi-core SUN server? ;-) ), then I would probably tried (K)Ubuntu |
| 13:06.16 | azeem | lakez: compile it yourself then, I guess |
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| 13:06.31 | azeem | lakez: installing .rpms on a Debian system is a bad idea in general |
| 13:06.41 | tempy | ttp://www.linuxjunkies.org/html/RPM-HOWTO.html |
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| 13:06.48 | noshitheel | matej_ : damned, i only got the libasound2-1.0.11-6 |
| 13:06.56 | matej_ | noshitheel: what's the sound system there -- I am using xine so I suppose it should work as well with that. |
| 13:07.00 | weslei_ | how to install xfree for apt-get? |
| 13:07.01 | matej_ | noshitheel: incoming.debian.org |
| 13:07.01 | n0th | hi there |
| 13:07.04 | ootput | are there any tools available to create audio cds (without requiring the libs of of k3b/gnomebake/etc.) |
| 13:07.07 | azeem | noshitheel: you're using unstable, you should know about incoming |
| 13:07.12 | tempy | lakez: whhops ... http://www.linuxjunkies.org/html/RPM-HOWTO.html |
| 13:07.19 | ootput | preferably something that's console-only |
| 13:07.23 | azeem | ootput: cdrecord can do it |
| 13:07.31 | skon | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.38 | azeem | or cdrdao I think |
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| 13:08.17 | noshitheel | azeem : sorry, i didn't know incoming. not for long on a sid |
| 13:08.19 | lakez | tempy, can you safely install an rpm on debian ? |
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| 13:08.27 | tempy | matej_: (K)Ubuntu ... never heard of it |
| 13:08.35 | lakez | i know how to use rpm, i'm just not sure if you should be using them on debian :( |
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| 13:08.44 | tempy | lakez: NFI, you asked howto use rpm's ... |
| 13:08.50 | azeem | lakez: I told you twice now that you shouldn't |
| 13:09.00 | n0th | got a problem here... the debian netinstall installer doesnt see my partition table... only my HD "hdb".. but just every live CD (grml, damnsmall..) does. I have 3 ext3 partitions and 1 ntfs partition. Any idea? |
| 13:09.01 | azeem | tempy: don't tell people about it then |
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| 13:09.25 | weslei_ | how to install xfree for apt-get? |
| 13:10.12 | noshitheel | azeem : it a depositery or just a site ? |
| 13:10.22 | markus_dresch | i want to create a nas/fileserver using samba. would it be a good idea to use a compact flash on ide as the root partition? the data would be on a hd. what about swap? should it be on hd or cf? |
| 13:10.27 | chealer9 | weslei_: you mean installing XFree86 using apt-get? |
| 13:10.31 | azeem | noshitheel: the latter |
| 13:11.59 | weslei_ | chealer9 yes.. |
| 13:11.59 | Covener | markus_dresch: ISTR you don't want read/write on flash using a general purpose filesystem because of the limited number of writes the media can support |
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| 13:12.54 | chealer9 | weslei_: install the x-window-system-core package |
| 13:13.10 | noshitheel | azeem : thx a lot |
| 13:13.26 | power1 | Just wanted some advice and recommendations. I have a remote client that |
| 13:13.26 | power1 | has a coal mine out in the sticks. They have an ISDN line for internet |
| 13:13.26 | power1 | connectivity. They are currently using a windows box running kerio mail |
| 13:13.26 | power1 | server and kerio firewall. The solution is not working as they are |
| 13:13.26 | power1 | getting very large phone bills and the mail is unreliable. i am going |
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| 13:13.27 | E0x | or tasksel |
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| 13:13.44 | E0x | and select desktop environment |
| 13:13.46 | matej_ | tempy: http://www.ubuntu.com -- Debian-based desktop-oriented distribution. |
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| 13:14.14 | power1 | oops sorry for the paste should have been on one line. |
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| 13:15.42 | markus_dresch | so if i put swap and data on a hd and install a preconfigured system on cf i should be fine? |
| 13:16.31 | matej_ | tempy: ping |
| 13:17.20 | nwonknu | anyone recommend any good movie players for debian like mplayer with codecs etc |
| 13:17.37 | matej_ | nwonknu: what's your desktop environment? |
| 13:17.39 | E0x | mplayer |
| 13:17.39 | azeem | nwonknu: xine or totem (or mplayer) |
| 13:17.55 | onetinsoldier | nwonknu: i would definitely recommend vlc |
| 13:17.55 | E0x | vlc is good |
| 13:18.01 | E0x | bu i only test it in windows |
| 13:18.08 | onetinsoldier | E0x: :-) |
| 13:18.09 | matej_ | nwonknu: of kaffeine or ogle (okle) |
| 13:18.19 | nwonknu | im using gnome |
| 13:18.30 | E0x | but mplayer is the best |
| 13:18.31 | nwonknu | ive just downloaded mplayer0386 but having problems with it |
| 13:18.33 | E0x | ( for me ) |
| 13:18.40 | onetinsoldier | vlc works great in linux. it's developed in the linux enviroment |
| 13:19.15 | Phated | Indeed, VLC++. |
| 13:19.19 | azeem | matej_: tempy left |
| 13:19.21 | matej_ | nwonknu: ok, the stuff somebody told before -- totem |
| 13:19.40 | matej_ | azeem: thank, I was afraid so :-( |
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| 13:20.21 | nwonknu | in mplayer i get when opening a file Error opening/initializing the selected video_iut (-vo) device. |
| 13:20.57 | E0x | you need config it |
| 13:21.04 | E0x | ~/.mplayer/config |
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| 13:23.59 | power1 | Just wanted some advice and recommendations. I have a remote client that has a coal mine out in the sticks. They have an ISDN line for internet connectivity. They are currently using a windows box running kerio mail server and kerio firewall. The solution is not working as they are getting very large phone bills and the mail is unreliable. i am going |
| 13:24.00 | power1 | out there tomorrow and I want to put down a Linux box. I have a customised Debian build that I want to set-up there. I normally use this for Small ADSL clients but have never set-up a solution to control ISDN dial-ups and restrict call charges. It would be an added bonus if I could control users dialing up by forcing them to use some type ofauthentication proxy. any ideas? |
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| 13:24.09 | matej_ | nwonknu: my personal opinion -- mplayer used to be most powerful player out there, and there is a lot of people who really like it. other players (mostly xine-based, but also gstreamer and some other) caught up. |
| 13:24.16 | Xteven | hi, I'm having trouble getting cross-realm kerberos(heimdal) authentication in openssh working. I believe the ssh server is trying to authenticate the user to the local KDC instead of the "global" KDC. Does anyone have this same problem and maybe a solution ? |
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| 13:24.26 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 13:24.27 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 three-legged hamsters. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 13:24.53 | azeem | EdLin: who was that for? |
| 13:25.04 | EdLin | azeem: power1 |
| 13:25.05 | sciboy | Hey guys, i am bordering my wireless, and get disconnected frequently. But thing is this only lasts a second but it doesn't reconnect automatically. |
| 13:25.05 | sciboy | Is there a package to check if a connection is working, otherwise activate a script? |
| 13:25.12 | azeem | EdLin: that was entirely not obvious |
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| 13:25.28 | EdLin | azeem: sorry. :-( |
| 13:25.41 | sciboy | Did you guys get my message? |
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| 13:25.50 | blondie | sciboy: "bordering" your wireless? |
| 13:26.00 | sciboy | blondie, Yup. |
| 13:26.04 | blondie | what does that mean? |
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| 13:26.17 | sciboy | I'm in between being in and out of range. |
| 13:26.31 | blondie | move closer :P |
| 13:26.40 | sciboy | Can't. |
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| 13:26.47 | orjan | If I want to play an audio cd, shall I mount it? |
| 13:26.48 | sciboy | I share the connection and this is my room. |
| 13:26.53 | matej_ | orjan: no |
| 13:26.59 | sciboy | Only place i can move it is in the bathroom. |
| 13:27.10 | matej_ | orjan: use some special CD player instead |
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| 13:27.22 | matej_ | orjan: or audiocd:/ kio-slave if you are in KDE |
| 13:27.38 | E0x | power1: you can get better answer about that in the maillist |
| 13:27.44 | E0x | user mailist |
| 13:27.56 | power1 | E0x, thanks |
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| 13:29.09 | noshitheel | thx to the guys who help me fixing that alsa bug |
| 13:29.22 | orjan | matej_: ok, I use fluxbox, so any small cd player would be good |
| 13:29.29 | noshitheel | just need to make a proper reboot and it's all fixed |
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| 13:29.37 | noshitheel | what a great chan dudes |
| 13:29.39 | E0x | noshitheel: how you do fix it ? |
| 13:29.40 | noshitheel | ;-) |
| 13:29.50 | EdLin | power1: because its ISDN it has a fast reconection rate, try setting a short time-out and running diald (demand dialing) so when the client needs to have a connection it only will be up when needed. |
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| 13:30.10 | noshitheel | just installed libasound2...-7, make a new alsaconf and reboot. |
| 13:30.23 | E0x | noshitheel: where you get libasound2...-7 ? |
| 13:30.48 | power1 | EdLin, you know of a way to restrict client dialups via password or proxy? |
| 13:30.51 | matej_ | E0x: incomin.debian.org |
| 13:30.53 | EdLin | power1: no |
| 13:31.06 | E0x | matej_: what ? |
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| 13:31.30 | matej_ | where to get libasoun* |
| 13:31.30 | mielcre | hello, i have configured my X using xf86cfg in textmode, it was running well in 1024x768 resolution. but after a reboot my X started at 800x600, which is not specified in my configuration file. I checked that im still using the same configuration file. what is happening? |
| 13:31.40 | power1 | EdLin, thanks anyway |
| 13:31.51 | noshitheel | E0x : just here http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 13:31.57 | possie | when i run vmstat i always see, my context switches below 10 (or approximate 10), but when i run vmstat 1 10 then the second time it shows the data it's always around 800, anyone have a clue why it's always around 10 when i run it just one time? |
| 13:32.06 | E0x | noshitheel: thx |
| 13:32.15 | E0x | matej_: thx , missed type |
| 13:32.16 | E0x | :D |
| 13:32.18 | noshitheel | E0x: you're welcome ;-) |
| 13:32.32 | matej_ | E0x: k |
| 13:32.53 | noshitheel | E0x : i'm glad i can help someone |
| 13:33.18 | noshitheel | E0x : if you're at work like me, in 5 minutes you can keep goin' working :-) |
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| 13:34.26 | E0x | noshitheel: i am at work now but i am helping another guy with the same problem in #debian-es |
| 13:34.28 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to chmod a whole directory tree such that files have 644 and directories have 755? i would think it would be something like u=rwX,g=rX,o=rX but this does not remove the execute bit from files that have it set. |
| 13:34.41 | matej_ | can anybody the information about libasound2*-7 at http://incoming.debian.org to the topic, please? |
| 13:34.42 | E0x | noshitheel: but i will fix it when i come back to home |
| 13:34.47 | orjan | matej_: to play cd's do I need to be member of group audio? |
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| 13:34.52 | azeem | matej_: no |
| 13:35.11 | azeem | matej_: feel free to add it to the unstable status wiki page, though |
| 13:35.16 | matej_ | orjan: yeah |
| 13:35.22 | orjan | matej_: ok |
| 13:35.34 | wombachi | SerajewelKS find /start/path -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; for dirs, replace -d by -f for files |
| 13:35.36 | SerajewelKS | orjan: no |
| 13:35.40 | SerajewelKS | orjan: you need to be in the cdrom group |
| 13:35.57 | matej_ | orjan: sorry |
| 13:36.07 | SerajewelKS | wombachi: yeah i was thinking of using a find incarnation too.. just thought chmod might have a way to do this |
| 13:36.07 | noshitheel | E0x : unless you didn't make the upgrade this morning :-) |
| 13:36.13 | SerajewelKS | matej_: don't be, because... |
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| 13:36.17 | orjan | SerajewelKS: ahh ok, thanks |
| 13:36.21 | SerajewelKS | orjan: if you want to control the volume too, you need to be in audio |
| 13:36.33 | wombachi | SerajewelKS not if you must differentiate dir and files (man chmod : -R can be usefull) |
| 13:36.39 | E0x | noshitheel: i do the upgrade yesterday and broke alsa too |
| 13:36.41 | jp---- | hey, i use gaim to IRC, i put UTF-8, but my pontuacion was wrong, so i put iso88591, but it is wrong yet, there is any other option? |
| 13:36.42 | matej_ | orjan: that is for the other side of the sound, which you don't need with CD |
| 13:36.44 | SerajewelKS | orjan: so you should be in both audio and cdrom, cdrom to do the playing and audio to control the mixer. so matej_ was half correct. |
| 13:36.48 | E0x | yesterday in the night |
| 13:36.49 | orjan | SerajewelKS: found I was already in audio... |
| 13:37.00 | blondie | playing CDs? how quaint :P |
| 13:37.11 | matej_ | orjan: well, yes, mixer could be helpful ;-) |
| 13:37.11 | SerajewelKS | wombachi: yes, chmod +X is more or less what i want, if it removed the execute bit from files that had it set |
| 13:37.28 | orjan | matej_: already has sound from xmms |
| 13:37.33 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:37.33 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 13:37.44 | matej_ | orjan: run command groups in konsole |
| 13:37.46 | wombachi | SerajewelKS: just combine find and chmod (classical unix way), it's easy |
| 13:37.49 | noshitheel | E0x : so i think we all unstable users have to fix this |
| 13:37.50 | SerajewelKS | wombachi: i can't really do chmod -R -x toplevel #though because chmod only gets as far as the top level. after removing execute perms from the top dir, it can't really descend any further :> |
| 13:38.07 | matej_ | orjan: that will give you all groups where are you member |
| 13:38.08 | noshitheel | E0x : it's like a game we should never get rid off :-) |
| 13:38.15 | wombachi | SerajewelKS Yes, it's supposed to work that way |
| 13:38.19 | orjan | matej_: I'm not on kde |
| 13:38.24 | SerajewelKS | wombachi: i'm aware of that |
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| 13:39.03 | onetinsoldier | hello. anyone able to help me get a gameport gamepad working? i have been trying to no avail. my latest attempt was to add all the modules to /etc/modules but it's still not working. |
| 13:39.37 | matej_ | orjan: OK in whatever xterm emulator (or xterm itself) or directly in the real console |
| 13:39.39 | jmacz | Hi everyone out there |
| 13:39.41 | petn-randall | onetinsoldier: does /var/log/messages say anything about a found gamepad ? |
| 13:39.43 | noshitheel | see you later guys, i have to work |
| 13:39.45 | wombachi | SerajewelKS: the solution I gave you does not do what you want? |
| 13:39.52 | jmacz | Anyone here has been succesfull in setting up an uml system completely upon debian packages? |
| 13:40.06 | wombachi | SerajewelKS find -type d -exec chmod 0755 {} \; and find -type f ... |
| 13:40.34 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: nope |
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| 13:41.22 | petn-randall | onetinsoldier: Is it a stock kernel or self-compiled ? Is the port on a soundcard ? |
| 13:41.32 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: the only message in there that even relates to the drivers is.... gameport: EMU10K1 is pci0000:03:0c.1/gameport0, io 0xdfe0, speed 1420kHz |
| 13:41.47 | orjan | matej_: ok, I'm in both audio and cdrom, but still no sound from cccd. |
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| 13:42.09 | jmacz | I'm running a 2.6.8-2-386 Debian kernel, and installed user-mode-linux, uml-utilities and kernel-patch-skas |
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| 13:42.16 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: take your pick. i have been trying to get it to work with debian installed kernel-2.6.15.1 and custom compiled 2.6.16.16 |
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| 13:43.41 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: tjhe gameport is on a sound card. a creative labs audigy 2 platinum |
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| 13:45.36 | goodi_ | is there a debian package for lighthttpd? - I cant find it |
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| 13:46.14 | wombachi | goodi_ : apt-cache search lighttpd |
| 13:46.30 | lastnode | what package is opengl in? |
| 13:46.34 | wombachi | goodi_ ( package lighttpd in unstable) |
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| 13:46.46 | goodi_ | wombachi, I did that - found nothing - ah only unstable? *sick* *searching for backports* |
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| 13:47.06 | wombachi | goodi_ Think only in unstable, yes. Check packages.debian.org/lighttpd |
| 13:47.11 | beefcake | goodday people i have a problem with my mdadm raid |
| 13:47.22 | nono31 | any problem with alsa sound in sid? I can't get alsamixer running, and abviously I get no sound |
| 13:47.24 | wombachi | goodi_ or backports, for sarge, you're right |
| 13:47.28 | goodi_ | wombachi, thanks |
| 13:47.29 | beefcake | 'cant read superblock' it just failed out of nowhere :(, what would be the best way to diagnose? |
| 13:47.48 | petn-randall | onetinsoldier: Just a minute ... I'll check the kernel options ... |
| 13:48.44 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: ok, thanks. i appreciate your trying even if no solution is discovered |
| 13:49.17 | onetinsoldier | lastnode: i'm not totally certain. i think in the mesa packages |
| 13:50.11 | onetinsoldier | lastnode: i say i'm not certain because i though something opengl might be included with x itself? |
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| 13:54.04 | petn-randall | onetinsoldier: damn, can't find those kernel options ... so long ago I played with a gamepad :) |
| 13:55.26 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: hehe... i can tell you where they are |
| 13:56.14 | petn-randall | onetinsoldier: wait ... char devices / serial drivers ? |
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| 13:56.38 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: you're looking through 'make menuconfig'... correct? anyway, i am pretty certain i have any needed driver as modules |
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| 13:57.57 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: device drivers --> Input device support ---> Joysticks ---> |
| 13:58.01 | vin` | nono31: bug #369040 |
| 13:58.08 | orjan | I'm trying to play cd's. I have sound with xmms, is added to audio and cdrom. Kscd reads the titles on the cd so it seems I can read the cd, still no sound |
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| 13:58.52 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: but not everything that's needed is in there of course |
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| 14:01.41 | dhuv | azeem: are you still there? |
| 14:01.57 | azeem | yes |
| 14:02.06 | petn-randall | onetinsoldier: ok, can you modprobe'd your module and "tail -f /var/log/messages" ? |
| 14:02.11 | dhuv | just wanted to thank you, the snapshots.debian.net worked, I now have X11 running off my PVR-350 |
| 14:02.14 | dhuv | this is great |
| 14:02.21 | azeem | cool |
| 14:02.22 | petn-randall | onetinsoldier: s/modprobe'd/modprobe/ |
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| 14:03.51 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: well, right now all modules are already loaded becuase i have been trying to solve the problem through searching on google and saw one fellow that suggest putting them all in /etc/modules and i believe that worked for a fellow. i'd have to find the post again, but let me say this |
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| 14:04.11 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: this thing seems to involve like 5 drivers! |
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| 14:05.26 | petn-randall | onetinsoldier: ok, do following steps: 1) unload all sound and gamepad drivers 2) on a second console do an 'tail -f /var/log/messages' 3) load every single driver by hand with modprobe <nameofdriver> |
| 14:05.50 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: gameport, analog, joydev, sidewinder, snd_emu10k1, emu10k1_gp, and possible ns558(nto certain if that one is needed or not!) |
| 14:06.07 | petn-randall | onetinsoldier: I guess theres a devil in the detail and one of those drivers are wrong |
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| 14:06.56 | petn-randall | onetinsoldier: yeah, unload them all with modprob -r <listofthosedrivers> ... if one of them is system critical, it'll say it's in use |
| 14:07.05 | petn-randall | onetinsoldier: *modprobe |
| 14:07.16 | onetinsoldier | gotcha... hang on |
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| 14:08.38 | dobbyX | is it possible to uninstall exim4 without dependencies ? |
| 14:08.56 | Zugschlus | dobbyX: you need an MTA installed |
| 14:09.16 | Zugschlus | which MTA are you going to use instead? |
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| 14:09.28 | beefcake | i have a problem with my mdadm raid 'cant read superblock' it just failed out of nowhere :(, what would be the best way to diagnose? |
| 14:09.28 | dobbyX | but i want one that is very easy to configure. I just need it to send mails not to receive |
| 14:09.34 | onetinsoldier | petn-randall: ok.. all unloaded now |
| 14:09.56 | petn-randall | onetinsoldier: ok, /msg me the output of lsmod |
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| 14:11.15 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 14:11.44 | ribnitz | is there something like psselect for pdf? |
| 14:12.30 | azeem | maybe you could easily hack something like that together with libpoppler |
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| 14:13.16 | ribnitz | otherwise, do a pdf2ps, and then select, but I dont need to convert the whole flil to just print pages 794. |
| 14:13.16 | orjan | I'm trying to play cd's. I have sound with xmms, is added to audio and cdrom. Kscd reads the titles on the cd so it seems I can read the cd, still no sound. Hmm does the cd player has to be configed to use alsa? |
| 14:13.38 | ribnitz | orjan: PRBABLY YES. |
| 14:14.11 | orjan | ribnitz: do you know of on that supports alsa? |
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| 14:14.31 | dobbyX | is that right that exim works out of the box? Im mean that I can send mails? |
| 14:14.37 | ribnitz | orjan: i use amarok, but thats not for cds. |
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| 14:14.49 | ribnitz | dobbyX: 95% yes. |
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| 14:14.56 | orjan | ribnitz: in kscd and cccd there is no config option for alsa |
| 14:14.58 | websdale | orjan:surely if you've got sound thro' xmms then its working - its playing cd's direct that doesn't work - is the lead from the cd drive to the sound card/mobo connected? |
| 14:15.07 | Zugschlus | dobbyX: exim and postfix are probably the easiest to configure in Debian. How easy depends heavily on your ISP |
| 14:15.22 | dobbyX | why on the isp ? |
| 14:15.28 | orjan | websdale: hmm yes could be, will check |
| 14:15.28 | azeem | ribnitz: why not use e.g. evince and select the page for print? |
| 14:15.29 | websdale | orjan:I had a similar problem & I used the AudioCD decoder plugin for xmms |
| 14:15.38 | Zugschlus | dobbyX: some ISPs won't allow you to send out e-mail directly |
| 14:15.42 | ribnitz | azeem: no gui? |
| 14:15.48 | Zugschlus | and SMTP smarthost setups vary greatly |
| 14:16.16 | dobbyX | i wanted to sand from local to a gmx address but it didn't work |
| 14:16.28 | Zugschlus | !doesn't work |
| 14:16.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 14:16.36 | dobbyX | no mail was send |
| 14:16.44 | Zugschlus | what do your logs say |
| 14:16.47 | ribnitz | dobbyX: I set up exim to send everything to isp, that isnt local. |
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| 14:17.56 | dobbyX | failed to open /dev/null: Permission denied |
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| 14:18.54 | orjan | websdale: yes, seems to be missing, thanks |
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| 14:19.44 | websdale | orjan:yes try the Audio CD plugin - it does digital audio extraction & gets round the problem |
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| 14:20.27 | orjan | websdale: ahh will check |
| 14:21.47 | orjan | websdale: would that be xmms-cdread? |
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| 14:22.14 | ribnitz | 1.5 mb pdf is 6,5mb postscript 3, is 65mb simpler postscript 3? |
| 14:22.19 | kapal | is there a debian command client for querying sqlite db? |
| 14:22.20 | websdale | orjan: I think its the other one - let me check |
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| 14:23.00 | sparcle | hello; what tool can I use to add my locale to debian? |
| 14:23.53 | kapal | sparcle: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 14:28.37 | websdale | orjan:I think its already in xmms by default |
| 14:29.08 | websdale | orjan:but if it doesn't work try that one - got to go now byee!:) |
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| 14:29.12 | orjan | websdale: ok found in in the configs |
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| 14:30.23 | ekoo | how to turn on php user domain |
| 14:30.33 | sparcle | kapal: ;), thanks |
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| 14:32.33 | ribnitz | is there a package for java 1.5? |
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| 14:33.38 | chealer9 | ribnitz: which release do you use? |
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| 14:34.24 | azeem | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/sun-java5-bin |
| 14:34.24 | ribnitz | sid. |
| 14:34.28 | MatBoy | what is the difference between Xinerama and twinview in all your opinion ? |
| 14:34.39 | chealer9 | ribnitz: yes |
| 14:35.17 | lunitik | ribnitz: with non-free activated... 'apt-get install sun-java5-plugin' |
| 14:35.40 | zero-1 | I installes the nvidia driver from nvidia page, and it works, but every single time I restart mt computer it will give me an erro with X "error Caugh signal 11" and I have to reinstal it again and then i works, how can I fix this? |
| 14:35.57 | dobbyX | sorry i don't understand that. It should be possible to send an email throw a mailserver without using an isp right? for example if nagios want's to notify me about something |
| 14:36.04 | ribnitz | thanks |
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| 14:36.24 | chealer9 | zero-1: NVIDIA's proprietary drivers aren't supported here, particularly if you didn't install them the Debian way. |
| 14:36.52 | zero-1 | how can I install them the debian way, i didnt find the ones for kernel 2.6.8 |
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| 14:37.10 | dijz | Hi, what tool I can use for programming in Flash by Debian 3.1? |
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| 14:37.18 | lunitik | zero-1: you're running sarge? ew |
| 14:37.24 | zero-1 | yes |
| 14:37.36 | chealer9 | zero-1: prebuilt nvidia modules? |
| 14:37.54 | petn-randall | dobbyX: Most big mail hosting sites block e-mail from dynamic IPs, because of spam |
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| 14:38.25 | lunitik | zero-1: anything for nvidia in sarge _should_ be for 2.6.8 :/ |
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| 14:38.32 | lunitik | !nvidia |
| 14:38.32 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 14:38.53 | lunitik | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:38.54 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 14:39.13 | cyberia | hi guys im trying to setup this perl script HoTTProxy and im getting Cannot initialize proxy daemon: at /usr/share/perl5/HTTP/Proxy.pm line 243. anyone have any ideas with y? |
| 14:39.15 | chealer9 | lunitik: does zero-1 look as if he did that before? |
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| 14:39.28 | psychonate | Is bmpx installable in Testing? Apparently there is a package available for Unstable, but I don't know if it would work properly. |
| 14:39.46 | lunitik | chealer9: hah... no... but he also doesn't seem to care why he's doing things... just wants it to work... |
| 14:40.13 | chealer9 | lunitik: that's one reason you'd better refer him to ngd than the one-liner |
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| 14:41.21 | Brox | where can i get a debian unrar package from? |
| 14:41.33 | azeem | Brox: non-free I think |
| 14:41.33 | beefcake | apt-get ? |
| 14:41.35 | lunitik | Brox: non-free |
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| 14:41.55 | chealer9 | Brox: from Debian repositories |
| 14:41.58 | psychonate | Confounded, this bmpx looks fairly nice. |
| 14:42.12 | Brox | ok what must i add to sources.list so i can get it with apt? |
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| 14:42.31 | chealer9 | Brox: which release do you use? |
| 14:42.34 | lunitik | Brox: 'contrib non-free' at the end of your current lines |
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| 14:42.46 | petn-randall | Brox: there is a free unrar version, too |
| 14:42.50 | nwonknu | if i make changes to smb.conf how can i refresh the server so that it will reread the new configuration |
| 14:43.42 | petn-randall | nwonknu: /etc/init.d/samba reload |
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| 14:44.30 | nwonknu | ty |
| 14:46.36 | beefcake | i have a problem with my mdadm raid 'cant read superblock' it just failed out of nowhere :(, what would be the best way to diagnose? |
| 14:47.05 | onetinsoldier | when i modprobe a modules and it loads, shour i not get some sort of message in /var/log/messages about it? |
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| 14:47.12 | onetinsoldier | *should |
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| 14:48.52 | spike | hi |
| 14:48.59 | onetinsoldier | hello |
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| 14:49.25 | spike | is there any way to dumb debconf answers for non installed packages? I need to build a preseed file for some packages I havent got installed |
| 14:49.25 | Zap-W | how do i see invisible ppl in centericq |
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| 14:49.47 | Ronin | Zap-W: hopefully you cant, sort of defeats the purpose of being invisible |
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| 14:50.26 | Zap-W | ye , but linux users should always have the advantage.. |
| 14:50.31 | Zap-W | : |
| 14:50.32 | Zap-W | p |
| 14:50.53 | Ronin | not to mention that if theyre invisible maybe they dont want to be bothered? |
| 14:50.56 | spike | Ronin: invisible has a whitelist mode so you can make you invisible to everybody but those you decide |
| 14:51.00 | talon__ | Zap-W, you tried compiz? |
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| 14:51.12 | diegows | hi |
| 14:51.32 | talon__ | hello |
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| 14:51.44 | diegows | somebody knows about a directory called debian-conf in the user home? |
| 14:51.45 | jmartos | Hello |
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| 14:52.11 | spike | so, anybody about preseeding and debconf-get-selections for uninstalled pkgs? |
| 14:52.18 | sadsix | when i go to use resize2fs to reduce my volume, how do I calculate the amount of blocks for each gig? |
| 14:52.24 | talon__ | somebody know how to fix some glitches in compiz? |
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| 14:55.32 | ikks | Hola, cómo puedo limitar el ancho de banda al hacer un apt-get upgrade? |
| 14:55.41 | ikks | con wget se que es con limit-rate=xk |
| 14:56.04 | thingfish | ikks: /join #debian-es |
| 14:56.10 | ikks | sorry :) |
| 14:56.17 | thingfish | np |
| 14:56.18 | beefcake | i have a problem with my mdadm raid 'cant read superblock' it just failed out of nowhere :(, what would be the best way to diagnose? |
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| 14:56.28 | ikks | How can I limit the bandwidth of apt-get upgrade |
| 14:56.32 | ikks | ? |
| 14:57.01 | mne | hi. I've a problem with vim syntax highlighting, I get "E216: No such group or event: filetypedetect BufRead". This is already in the BTS, #368737. unfortunately the solution described there doesn't work at all. did anyone fix the vim syntax highlighting problem in unstable/testing ? |
| 14:57.12 | ikks | I've set limit_rate=25k , but apt takes the whole bandwidth. |
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| 14:58.36 | mantizDE | http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/DTrace_reaches_prime_time_on_FreeBSD/0,2000061733,39257452,00.htm |
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| 14:59.48 | petn-randall | ikks: did you try export limit_rate=25k ? |
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| 15:00.31 | ikks | yes, I've just tried, and doesn't work |
| 15:00.37 | ikks | I'm on etch. |
| 15:00.42 | jmartos | I can't boot a PXE machine through TFTP |
| 15:00.46 | ikks | if this info is useful |
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| 15:01.01 | jmartos | Whatever I put in the path in dhcpd.conf gets into an error |
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| 15:01.14 | jmartos | Has anyone done a PXE boot? |
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| 15:02.00 | InfraRed | i have |
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| 15:02.30 | InfraRed | what are you trying to do |
| 15:02.30 | jmartos | InfraRed, do you have your config files? |
| 15:02.47 | jmartos | OK, I've a Intel DotStation with no floppy nor CD |
| 15:02.50 | petn-randall | ikks: you do an 'export limit_rate=25k' and according to the man page, it takes some time to stay at that rate |
| 15:03.03 | jmartos | So I want to boot the Debian installation from another PC |
| 15:03.18 | jmartos | I've configured dhcp server like that |
| 15:03.19 | petn-randall | ikks: wget man page |
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| 15:03.32 | ikks | my wgetrc has |
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| 15:03.39 | ikks | limit-rate=25k |
| 15:03.43 | InfraRed | ok |
| 15:03.50 | jmartos | host paquito { |
| 15:03.50 | jmartos | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.50 | jmartos | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.50 | jmartos | } |
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| 15:03.52 | InfraRed | what files are you trying to boot |
| 15:03.59 | adamant1988 | Hey, suppose I want to install a program that isn't in the repositories for apt-get... how would I go about that, what's the easiest manner I mean |
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| 15:04.14 | jmartos | Sorry for the flood |
| 15:04.27 | InfraRed | i forgive you :) |
| 15:04.30 | adamant1988 | I like to 'beta test' software and a program I want isn't in the repositories... SeaMonkey 1.0.1 |
| 15:04.35 | InfraRed | there is no IP address there btw |
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| 15:04.44 | InfraRed | meet me in #pxe-stuff |
| 15:04.46 | eliteforce | ahm i installed danted-server (on sarge) but i'm unable to start it, i can run it but there is no process ... whats wrong?! |
| 15:04.50 | jmartos | OK |
| 15:04.54 | petn-randall | adamant1988: either compile from sources or take an rpm and install it with alien |
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| 15:05.49 | adamant1988 | well, I've downloaded it directly from mozilla's site... but I'm a little shaky on how exactly to install it. I understand the commands and all that, but I am not clear on things like making directories etc. |
| 15:06.02 | adamant1988 | how will I know what directories to make, and so on and so forth |
| 15:06.54 | petn-randall | adamant1988: normally you do an make configure, make, make install |
| 15:07.04 | nwonknu | is there a way to add http://packages.debian.org/ to my list of repositories |
| 15:07.08 | petn-randall | adamant1988: but there should be a readme with it explaining it |
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| 15:07.19 | adamant1988 | oh so there are instructions included? |
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| 15:07.38 | adamant1988 | that would make everything easier... I'm afraid of breaking my system. I finally got debian installed lol |
| 15:07.39 | petn-randall | adamant1988: most sources have a readme of some kind |
| 15:07.57 | stew | adamant1988: the tarball should contain a README and/or an INSTALL, you should read those |
| 15:08.11 | adamant1988 | ok, I don't have a problem reading documentation, so I'll do that. |
| 15:08.26 | petn-randall | adamant1988: just make sure somehow that it smacks all the files to /usr/local/ or something ;) |
| 15:08.29 | adamant1988 | I have to unplug this computer to plug in my laptop, so I'll wait a while and then try it. |
| 15:08.30 | _yam | all of a sudden, two harddisk device files have disappeared |
| 15:08.36 | _yam | they belong to a md device, and suprinsigly the md device is working |
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| 15:08.52 | _yam | how come? and what happened? |
| 15:08.54 | _yam | cannot be recreated either |
| 15:08.57 | backz | Hi, how I use cp -a to a dir excluding any dirs and files? I want copy /home/backz, but I wan't copy /home/backz/media and *mp3 files. |
| 15:08.59 | adamant1988 | Oh another question, I have an external hard drisk, how can I get write access to it? |
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| 15:09.03 | echnaton | Hi is it possible to allow an user X writing/reading/executing on an mapper device? Is it necessary to write an udev rule for those? |
| 15:09.08 | adamant1988 | do I have to be root? |
| 15:09.26 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: i recommend using a program called 'checkinstall' |
| 15:09.33 | petn-randall | _yam: is magic smoke coming out of the box ? |
| 15:09.36 | stew | adamant1988: what filesystem does it have on it? fat? does it show up in "fdisk -l"? |
| 15:10.04 | _yam | petn: hehe I dont think so, although I cannot see it right now |
| 15:10.05 | _yam | :) |
| 15:10.08 | petn-randall | adamant1988: either root or use the package pmount |
| 15:10.09 | adamant1988 | it's a fat32 yeah, I haven't plugged it into my laptop, but it's always been detected and readable, just never writable |
| 15:10.18 | stew | backz: cp -a is just cp -dpR, since you don't want the -R, just us cp -dp |
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| 15:10.28 | stew | adamant1988: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 15:10.36 | adamant1988 | ok :) |
| 15:10.38 | petn-randall | _yam: the magic smoke keeps it running, so don't let it out ! |
| 15:10.38 | phaedrus44 | hey hey |
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| 15:10.44 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: checkinstall will make a debian package(.deb file) for you, out of any source in place of 'make install' |
| 15:10.51 | _yam | petn: thanks |
| 15:10.54 | eliteforce | ahm why doesn't `sudo danted` work? it ends immediatly and `echo $?` gives me 1 :( whats wrong? |
| 15:11.01 | adamant1988 | oh really? and then I can just install the package using apt-get? |
| 15:11.04 | phaedrus44 | how can i make /mnt/ipod writeable to all ? |
| 15:11.07 | qweo | backz: use smth like "ls -R /home/backz | grep -v media | grep -v mp3 | xargs cp -a DESTDIR" |
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| 15:11.49 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: no... but very close. you would just use... dpkg -i <debian package> ...you know, the .deb file |
| 15:12.10 | stew | backz: oh if you just one to exclude some directories but not all, use rsync with --exclude or --exclude-from |
| 15:12.11 | adamant1988 | ok, does there have to be a special naming scheme for the .deb file? or can I just name it generically |
| 15:12.23 | adamant1988 | like 'seamonkey' instead of seamonkey 1.0.1 |
| 15:12.47 | guk | apt-cache search seamonkey |
| 15:12.47 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: it creates the .deb file on your system.. it doesn't not upload the package to a mirror where you would get it from an apt-get command |
| 15:12.48 | beefcake | semenkey |
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| 15:13.08 | eliteforce | i need a working socks5 server for sarge, any suggestions? |
| 15:13.29 | backz | stew, qweo, I'm looking to do this copy using tar, it supports exclude-file. but I think tar don't preserve file owners and permissions |
| 15:13.31 | adamant1988 | ok, you guys have been really helpful :) |
| 15:13.34 | adamant1988 | thanks |
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| 15:14.04 | cyzie | anyone managed to setup ipw2100 on etch? |
| 15:14.07 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: it makes the name of the package(.deb file) based upon the name of the directory that the source is compiled in... but you have the option of changing the name to whatever you want when you run the 'checkinstall' command |
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| 15:14.18 | stew | backz: tar certainly can, as can rsync |
| 15:14.20 | k0ko | hola |
| 15:14.40 | backz | stew, thank you. I'll look for rsync |
| 15:14.55 | adamant1988 | ok Got it :) so follow the installation instructions, and then do check install instead of make install? |
| 15:15.03 | stew | cyzie: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:15.30 | cyzie | stew, 2.6.15.x |
| 15:15.45 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: yes, it's actually 'checkinstall' and not check install.. but first.. you must download and install it before you can use it. it's not included in debian |
| 15:15.47 | stew | cyzie: did you download firmware? |
| 15:16.29 | cyzie | stew, i do not the the exact step on how to install the neccessary app/firmware/etc on the etch |
| 15:16.29 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: i can tell you where to go get it if you want. you cannot apt-get install checkinstall. it's not in debian that i know of |
| 15:16.43 | qweo | does anybody know program for lock both X11 and ALL consoles? (Like xlock+vlock...) |
| 15:16.44 | adamant1988 | ok Where can I go to get it? |
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| 15:17.21 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: ok.. hang on |
| 15:17.53 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/index.php |
| 15:18.00 | stew | cyzie: get firmware from ipw2100.sf.net and put it into /lib/firmware ; then modprobe -r ipw2100 && modprobe ipw2100 |
| 15:18.20 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: you can download and install the .deb of it... :-) |
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| 15:18.44 | cyzie | stew , just that? what about driver or application? |
| 15:18.53 | stew | onetinsoldier: why not just apt-get install checkinstall? |
| 15:19.00 | beefcake | semenkey |
| 15:19.02 | beefcake | i have a problem with my mdadm raid 'cant read superblock' it just failed out of nowhere :(, what would be the best way to diagnose? |
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| 15:19.06 | mirf | how do I defrag my linux hard drive, it's running slow... |
| 15:19.24 | mc___ | mirf, which fs do you use? |
| 15:19.25 | qweo | mirf: what FS you're using? |
| 15:19.26 | mirf | ;) |
| 15:19.29 | stew | cyzie: the driver is included in the 2.6.15 sources. did you enable it when you compiled the kernel? |
| 15:19.36 | mirf | reiserfs |
| 15:19.41 | mirf | sorry I was just being silly |
| 15:19.57 | azeem | mirf: that was hard to tell |
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| 15:20.01 | onetinsoldier | stew: is checkinstall in debian??? |
| 15:20.06 | stew | !info checkinstall |
| 15:20.09 | cyzie | stew, i think im using the stock kernel because i apt-get install kernel-xxxx |
| 15:20.10 | dpkg | checkinstall: (installation tracker), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 15:20.11 | mirf | azeem, :D |
| 15:20.22 | onetinsoldier | stew: sid?? |
| 15:20.26 | stew | cyzie: what does "uname -r" say |
| 15:20.30 | stew | onetinsoldier: its in sarge too |
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| 15:21.00 | onetinsoldier | stew: i'm using etch. i was unable to just go... apt-get install checkinstal myself. ;-) |
| 15:21.01 | qweo | mirf: fragmentation in linux FS'es,so small,and i don't think what your HD slow due fragmentation |
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| 15:21.13 | mirf | ok thanks qweo |
| 15:21.52 | stew | onetinsoldier: /msg dpkg why is checkinstall not in testing |
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| 15:22.22 | qweo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.25 | onetinsoldier | stew: i will.. thanks! i can say it's working ok for me. but i will read the message |
| 15:22.26 | qweo | oh,sorry |
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| 15:23.25 | cyzie | stew, 1 moment please, i boot up my centrino laptop |
| 15:23.27 | qweo | sometimes i thinking what dpkg not bot,it is genius :) |
| 15:23.39 | olczyk | I can login to my computer from this account and others, but not from my main account. When I try I get an error box: cannot connect to /home/yadayadayada/.DCOPserver_something make sure dcopserver is running. ideas how to fix? |
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| 15:24.06 | zero-1 | I tried apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but now i get no screens found |
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| 15:24.11 | cyzie | stew, 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 15:24.56 | cyzie | stew, what version of firmware should i install on my etch? |
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| 15:25.01 | Usiu | Hi |
| 15:25.12 | stew | cyzie: ok that is a debian kernel, you'll the ipw2100 drivers is included in that kenrel, after you install the firmware, "modprobe ipw2100" should load the driver, put ipw2100 in /etc/modules to make that happen automatically at boot |
| 15:25.30 | stew | cyzie: i don't know, you'll need either the latest or the second latest |
| 15:25.31 | Usiu | current libasound2 is broken ? |
| 15:25.34 | orjan | I have correct chars in console and everything including umlauts but is missing the char that uses alt-gr combinations |
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| 15:25.51 | cyzie | stew, how/where can i check what version of firmware should i use? |
| 15:25.52 | Usiu | stew, is ipw2915 a PCMCIA card ? |
| 15:26.03 | onetinsoldier | stew: i read the message. seems to be problems with checkinstall -1.5.3. that's old though, i'm using v1.6.0. no problems here in my testing |
| 15:26.04 | zero-1 | what can I do to fix that error? |
| 15:26.12 | stew | cyzie: by looking at the kernel source and seeing what version of the ipw2100 driver is included in 2.6.15 |
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| 15:26.54 | orjan | I have correct chars in console and everything including umlauts but is missing the char that uses alt-gr combinations, in X |
| 15:27.13 | stew | onetinsoldier: you can check http://bugs.debian.org/checkinstall and see if anyone has yet filed a wishlist bug saying "newer upstream version available" if nobody else has, consider filing that yourself. (/msg dpkg reportbug) |
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| 15:27.26 | cyzie | stew, and where is this kernel source? |
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| 15:28.00 | onetinsoldier | stew: i'll check that out. it probably needs doing |
| 15:28.26 | stew | cyzie: i recommend just installing the latest, then run "modprobe ipw2100" and look at "dmesg" or "tail /var/log/syslog" and see if it complains about not being able to find some other firmware, if so, install the next oldest |
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| 15:30.44 | cyzie | stew, okay, the ipw2100 is build in and i need to get the firmware. is there any other apps/software i should install ? |
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| 15:31.22 | pvd2006 | well I guess it is to be expected to get a kernel panic the first time you attempt to configure and compile your own |
| 15:32.01 | stew | cyzie: "apt-get install wireless-tools" and man wireless |
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| 15:32.16 | stew | pvd2006: "VFS: unable to mount root" or something similar? |
| 15:32.21 | pvd2006 | yep! |
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| 15:32.46 | stew | pvd2006: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
| 15:33.29 | pvd2006 | thanks |
| 15:33.56 | underdawg | does anyone use aptitude? |
| 15:34.01 | pvd2006 | I do |
| 15:34.11 | thingfish | sure |
| 15:34.17 | pvd2006 | I'm not a genuis with it though;) |
| 15:34.23 | thingfish | well me neither |
| 15:34.31 | underdawg | isnt it buggy? |
| 15:34.43 | underdawg | it seems to just not even work for me |
| 15:34.45 | pvd2006 | I havent had any problems with it |
| 15:34.52 | pvd2006 | What type of problems? |
| 15:34.56 | thingfish | underdawg: bugs.debian.org/aptitude will tell you that. |
| 15:35.32 | underdawg | well i downloaded the floppy disk net installer |
| 15:35.42 | cyzie | stew, what is this? ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' // found this in syslog during modprobe ipw2100 with firmware installed |
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| 15:35.56 | thingfish | what I've noticed is that it seems better to start with aptitude, build your system, then use it thereafter for installs etc. |
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| 15:36.19 | underdawg | and it brought me to menu that was going to install the whole package i guess so i selected to choose th epackages manually and it brought me to aptitude |
| 15:36.25 | thingfish | rather than starting out doing everything with apt-get and then switching to aptitude. |
| 15:36.41 | thingfish | underdawg: aptitude install foo works |
| 15:36.43 | cyzie | stew, i have wireless-tools installed |
| 15:36.50 | underdawg | howevever i go to not-installed-packages |
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| 15:36.54 | thingfish | underdawg: you don't have to use the curses menu. |
| 15:37.33 | Mr_Molez | is there a way to limit ps to show only processes by the user that started them. So not all users can see other peoples processes ? |
| 15:37.40 | underdawg | i highlight anything there and and hit g or u even marking it as upgradable i just get the 0mb downloaded in 2 sec msg |
| 15:37.59 | stew | cyzie: i don't know. does your wireless show up when you type "iwconfig" ? |
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| 15:38.24 | cyzie | stew, yes, it show up as eth2 when i type iwconfig |
| 15:38.29 | pvd2006 | did you mark it with the + sign |
| 15:38.30 | pvd2006 | ? |
| 15:38.33 | pvd2006 | underdawg, |
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| 15:39.04 | pvd2006 | you mark it with the + sign and it should turn green |
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| 15:39.18 | systemerror | my gxl doesnt worke anymore till yesterday? what could it be? if i make glxgears then xdm restart? please help me |
| 15:39.47 | underdawg | no i did not |
| 15:39.49 | underdawg | thanks |
| 15:39.55 | pvd2006 | np;) |
| 15:39.57 | pvd2006 | I had to figure that out too, haha |
| 15:40.19 | underdawg | ya for a sec i was thinking it was sort of sarcastic joke to make people insane |
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| 15:40.38 | Mr_Molez | is there a way to limit ps to show only processes by the user that started them. So not all users can see other peoples processes ? |
| 15:40.40 | onetinsoldier | stew: before i request a new upstream version of checkinstall, i feel i should get my mail working. i'm not getting any local mail! from cron jobs or anything, and i think i should be. would you feel like helping me with that? if not i understand, i'll try and figure it out. |
| 15:40.41 | blondie | Mr_Molez: no |
| 15:40.45 | Ronin | Mr_Molez: no |
| 15:40.50 | Mr_Molez | :( |
| 15:40.59 | blondie | even if you made ps do that, you could still look in /proc |
| 15:41.34 | azeem | onetinsoldier: ask specific questions, please |
| 15:41.34 | bootc | Mr_Molez: why would you want to anyway? |
| 15:41.34 | orjan | I have correct chars in console and everything including umlauts but is missing the char that uses alt-gr combinations, in X |
| 15:41.34 | onetinsoldier | azeem: i'm not sure where to start |
| 15:41.34 | cyzie | stew, let say if the accesspoint is encrypted using wep, how do i connect to this accesspoint ? |
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| 15:41.55 | Mr_Molez | bootc: im making a chroot environment. Though it would be best to not show processes of other users |
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| 15:42.12 | underdawg | doesnt ps do that anyway with no args? |
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| 15:42.25 | bootc | Mr_Molez: it's not like other users can do anything with the process list anyway |
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| 15:42.36 | Mr_Molez | bootc: k |
| 15:42.44 | bootc | Mr_Molez: if you want to lock users up in their own systems look into xen or vserver or something similar |
| 15:42.46 | blondie | bootc: they could if they had retarded programs |
| 15:42.47 | underdawg | bootc i think Mr_Molez wants cleanliness |
| 15:42.49 | systemerror | my gxl doesnt worke anymore till yesterday? what could it be? if i make glxgears then xdm restart? please help me |
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| 15:42.52 | bootc | Mr_Molez: then they can have theor own root and so on |
| 15:43.04 | Mr_Molez | bootc: ok thnx |
| 15:43.08 | stew | cyzie: you should set "wireless_key" in /etc/network/interfaces; man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 15:43.09 | blondie | e.g. that use a password as an argument |
| 15:43.15 | backz | stew, using rsync, how I exclude My pictures and My music dirs? I put My\ pictures\ on 'exclude_files.txt', but I think I use all path to it works, something like */My\ pictures\ will work? |
| 15:44.23 | Mr_Molez | thnx |
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| 15:44.41 | backz | stew, works! =) |
| 15:44.47 | pyroplasm | orjan: everything but |, < and > works? |
| 15:45.22 | orjan | pyroplasm: except the bar , at the < > is ok |
| 15:45.29 | pyroplasm | orjan: check your keyboard settings. eg: Option "XkbModel" "pc105" |
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| 15:45.43 | davidh | any one with experience of rebuilding (compile) the kernel for debian? |
| 15:45.45 | orjan | pyroplasm: powerpc keyboard |
| 15:46.00 | davidh | some question? |
| 15:46.08 | blondie | !anyone |
| 15:46.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:46.17 | pyroplasm | orjan: I have no experience with that, sorry |
| 15:46.38 | orjan | pyroplasm: ok, thanks |
| 15:47.08 | underdawg | Whats the (p) for purge mean? |
| 15:47.22 | SerajewelKS | best one-liner ever: du -Sx / | sort -n | tail -30 |
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| 15:48.48 | pvd2006 | underdawg, if I am correct purge means to completely delete a file including its config files. |
| 15:48.56 | pvd2006 | package |
| 15:48.56 | pvd2006 | * |
| 15:49.54 | SerajewelKS | !purge |
| 15:49.54 | dpkg | i heard purge is to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package]..or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c') |
| 15:51.07 | cyzie | stew, thanks for the guide. do u have example of /etc/network/interfaces for wireless settings? |
| 15:51.23 | cyzie | stew, i have check in man wireless, i need more description than that |
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| 15:56.43 | cbeams | Anyone have info on getting up and running with debian on dual core? I'm running etch (2.6.15) on a machine with a single dual-core pentium processor. At boot, the BIOS clearly recognizes one physical processor with two logical processors. However, dmesg, top and /proc/cpuinfo show only one cpu. |
| 15:56.52 | beetlepun_ | anyone knows what BT means for speed ? - eg 10BT - there's a router i see for sale advertised with this speed-- anyone ? |
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| 15:57.09 | underdawg | hmm everything is marked p by default in the aptitude menu |
| 15:57.27 | underdawg | thats kind of annoying |
| 15:57.45 | underdawg | how do i mark them as unperge? |
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| 15:58.50 | cahoot | beetlepun_: http://computing-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/10baseT ? |
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| 15:59.03 | achidiax | can I tell the debian installer to take space from the redhat partition ? |
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| 15:59.39 | Ronin | achidiax: heck tell it to install there and wipe out the rh stuff ;) |
| 15:59.47 | achidiax | uh |
| 16:00.07 | pollywog | I am running stable and I am seeing lots of this in my logs: |
| 16:00.10 | pollywog | udev[5253]: removing device node '/dev/vcs7' |
| 16:00.16 | pollywog | what does it mean? |
| 16:00.18 | achidiax | anyone? |
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| 16:00.28 | prudhvi | what is the name of the package that provides spell check for Gaim ? |
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| 16:01.00 | stew | cyzie: add a eth1 entry to /etc/network/interfaces, it should have entries for wireless-key, wireless-channel, wireless-essid |
| 16:01.08 | onetinsoldier | cbeams: i think you need to install an 'smp' kernel |
| 16:01.35 | achidiax | stew, any idea man please? |
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| 16:01.58 | cyzie | stew, wireless-channel? shouldnt wireless-channel is handle automatically? |
| 16:01.59 | stoned | geez my connection is pissing me off |
| 16:02.13 | achidiax | I dont have anything on my rh partition that i want to keep |
| 16:02.17 | pollywog | prudhvi: try apt-cache search gaim |
| 16:02.39 | pollywog | I don't see anything about spell check but there are interesting packages there |
| 16:03.08 | prudhvi | pollywog, i guess GTK+ has some spell Checking packages that Gaim is using |
| 16:03.13 | prudhvi | i wonder what they are |
| 16:03.16 | pollywog | oic |
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| 16:03.46 | stew | achidiax: it means you just logged out of x, afaik, that device will be created and removed as your graphics card is put into different staes. its normal and nothing to worry about |
| 16:04.14 | achidiax | uh |
| 16:04.29 | stew | cyzie: basically you need an entry for anything you need to add to a iwconfig command line to get your wireless talking on your network, so if you can get it working with only "iwconfig eth1 essid foo key blahblah, then you only need wireless-essid and wireless-key |
| 16:05.09 | pollywog | udev just keeps creating and then removing device nodes |
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| 16:05.16 | pollywog | very odd |
| 16:05.42 | pollywog | is that normal behavior that I just never noticed? |
| 16:05.50 | cyzie | stew, okay. understand. thanks |
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| 16:06.36 | caravena | Hello!... Warning with analog in Debian... |
| 16:06.39 | caravena | athena:/etc# analog |
| 16:06.39 | caravena | analog: analog version 5.32/Unix |
| 16:06.39 | caravena | analog: Warning R: In Domain Report, turning off pie chart of only one wedge |
| 16:06.39 | caravena | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.40 | caravena | analog: Warning R: In Request Report, turning off pie chart with no wedges |
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| 16:07.11 | cyzie | stew, when i read in man wireless, it said key1, key2, key3 but it does not mentioned key. waht is it all about? |
| 16:07.28 | eyesee | hi, guys. I met an annoying problem in my debian. The submenu of Applications in gnome-panel is always shaking and flashing. Have you meet this problem before. |
| 16:07.36 | unfo | hi all, is there a way to print a PDF as black-and-white, *not* grayscale? |
| 16:07.41 | unfo | eyesee: shaking and flashing? |
| 16:07.41 | eyesee | In fact, I just installed debian, and it was okay before I did some setting in ~/.Xdefaults about chinese fonts display. Then I tried to reinstall gnome-panel and remove the ~/.Xdefaults file, but the problem is still there.Could you help to point me how to deal with this problem? Thanks. |
| 16:08.13 | unfo | I found a tip on Usenet, but it requires converting to PS, and pdf2ps aborts with an error. |
| 16:08.19 | unfo | Error: /ioerror in --fill-- |
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| 16:08.23 | eyesee | unfo: sorry for poor english, I mean it is just 'shaking' and I can not click the option in the menus. |
| 16:08.34 | unfo | shaking? the menu is moving? |
| 16:08.57 | stew | cyzie: man iwconfig |
| 16:08.59 | eyesee | unfo: maybe 'flickering' |
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| 16:09.13 | caravena | Howto solution? -> http://pastebin.com/745021 |
| 16:09.27 | achidiax | what is debian netinst? |
| 16:09.38 | blondie | installation from network |
| 16:09.43 | unfo | eyesee, I have no clue. maybe the Debian China people have seen your problem? |
| 16:09.44 | unfo | !zh |
| 16:09.44 | dpkg | well, zh is see cn |
| 16:09.47 | unfo | !cn |
| 16:09.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 16:09.51 | achidiax | btw, I burned burned 14 cds |
| 16:10.02 | pollywog | netinst is a netinstall image that installs a base system from a CD and the rest via network |
| 16:10.06 | beardy | !netinst |
| 16:10.06 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 16:10.12 | beardy | d-i achidiax |
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| 16:10.20 | unfo | achidiax: all 14 cds of debian? there's a dvd option too, or netinst ofcourse. |
| 16:10.28 | pollywog | netinst rocks |
| 16:10.33 | beardy | achidiax: If you want to try it, but if you have burned the cd:s, use them, so they come to some use :) |
| 16:10.36 | unfo | pollywog++ |
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| 16:10.43 | eyesee | unfo: and then I tried to reinstall gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment, the problem is gone.But it becomes worse, The submenu just disapears after I click it,... |
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| 16:10.56 | unfo | achidiax: or sell the CDs on ebay, or give them away on freecycle. |
| 16:10.58 | unfo | !freecycle |
| 16:10.58 | dpkg | [freecycle] a set of mailing lists where you can give away things (including old hardware) for free or get things for free. get more info at freecycle.org. |
| 16:11.06 | beardy | bah.. |
| 16:11.12 | beardy | !d-i achidiax |
| 16:11.13 | dpkg | achidiax, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:11.31 | unfo | eyesee: I do not know. ask everyone, not me, or ask #debian-zh channel. :) |
| 16:11.32 | stoned | 12 minutes until kde3.5.1 is downloaded |
| 16:11.48 | stoned | damn sarge is pissing me off |
| 16:11.49 | stoned | :( |
| 16:12.11 | stoned | i'll make it work though, I make it work |
| 16:12.11 | achidiax | thank you |
| 16:12.12 | unfo | stoned: why? I would wait 2 hours just for the goodness of KDE. |
| 16:12.41 | stoned | bah, just that sarge only goes upto 3.5.1 kde from deb.stosberg.net backport |
| 16:12.47 | stoned | and you know about backports |
| 16:12.48 | stoned | :( |
| 16:13.01 | unfo | whats wrong with 3.5.1? |
| 16:13.05 | stoned | the backports.org is only 3.5.0 |
| 16:13.12 | unfo | so? who cares?? |
| 16:13.15 | stoned | while kde is officially stable right now at 3.5.2 |
| 16:13.16 | eyesee | unfo: okay.thanks |
| 16:13.18 | stoned | which I would like |
| 16:13.20 | unfo | eyesee: :) |
| 16:13.21 | stoned | :D cuz im anal |
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| 16:13.40 | stoned | its ok though, I'll make do |
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| 16:13.59 | azeem | does 3.5.2 have any more features at all? |
| 16:14.07 | azeem | over 3.5.0 that is |
| 16:14.15 | unfo | stoned: if you want newest of everything, use gentoo. if you want a high-quality, low-bug distro, be glad youre on Debian. :) |
| 16:14.18 | stoned | I have no idea, azeem I am trying to look it up, the difference from .1 to .2 |
| 16:14.42 | unfo | stoned: see the changelogs. there should be some on the KDE.org site, some in CVS, and some in the Debian packages. |
| 16:14.54 | stoned | unfo, if I didn't need to setup tons of different services for friends, I woudln't per sonally be on sarge. I just migrated(reintalled) from 4 years of sid |
| 16:15.04 | stoned | yesterday actually |
| 16:15.28 | stoned | sarge is a stable server and a secure server |
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| 16:15.33 | unfo | stoned: being a sysadmin for friends can be hard work. :) I administered a wiki once. |
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| 16:15.38 | stoned | it works good for that, but for my desktop needs, its kinda old, but I don't mind |
| 16:15.55 | stoned | I just like to bitch and moan |
| 16:15.58 | davi__ | emacs on Sarge crash a lot. What do you advise me? |
| 16:16.00 | stoned | hehe, other than that its all good |
| 16:16.05 | unfo | I always got more and more questions in my email. I should have set up an "ask-the-mailing-list" policy. |
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| 16:16.15 | unfo | stoned: please do not b** and moan to the IRC channel :) |
| 16:16.16 | stoned | davi__, dunno, never used emacs |
| 16:16.19 | migiel | anyone formilure with this bug in debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=366564, perhaps someone knows a workaround? |
| 16:16.24 | stoned | unfo, hehe |
| 16:16.40 | davi__ | stoned :) |
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| 16:17.08 | stoned | davi__, all my text editin needs are done with console |
| 16:17.10 | stoned | in nano |
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| 16:17.24 | stoned | I can post my nanorc if you want, its highly color coded for all sorts of syntax |
| 16:17.29 | stoned | courtesy of .dotfiles.org |
| 16:17.31 | unfo | stoned: try vim or emacs. they have more features. |
| 16:17.44 | stoned | nano does me just fine |
| 16:17.50 | stoned | thanks |
| 16:17.58 | stoned | time to smoke abowl, later guys |
| 16:18.12 | unfo | stoned: if you have spent more than 10 hours of your life in nano, it is time to switch. :) |
| 16:18.14 | unfo | stoned: ttyl |
| 16:18.28 | stoned | editor wars are useless |
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| 16:18.41 | unfo | this is not an editor war, it is accepted fact. |
| 16:18.41 | stoned | people should use what they want and what works for them and what they find easier to use |
| 16:18.55 | stoned | there is no FACT when subjective matters are concerned |
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| 16:19.07 | thoron | http://www.egoa.fi/ nice logo. ;) |
| 16:19.09 | stoned | there is no factuality with perception and personal choice |
| 16:19.14 | unfo | you can use whichever you want, but it is well-known fact vim and emacs have far more features than nano. |
| 16:19.31 | stoned | unfo, once again it depends on wether I need those features or not |
| 16:19.38 | stoned | as we are right now, nano is fine |
| 16:19.40 | unfo | stoned: you'll like 'em. :) |
| 16:19.41 | stoned | stop trying to convert me |
| 16:19.42 | stoned | ;)_ |
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| 16:20.18 | unfo | stoned: have you even tried one or the other? cream, emacs, and xemacs all have excellent XWindow guis. |
| 16:20.29 | thegraham | true, but nano is nice and simple |
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| 16:20.34 | unfo | (cream is an easier fork of vim.) |
| 16:20.49 | unfo | thegraham: so are the editors I just mentioned. :) |
| 16:20.51 | stoned | yes I have and I decided to use nano |
| 16:21.00 | unfo | stoned: ok *shrug* |
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| 16:21.10 | stoned | thanks though, I appreciate your concern, advice |
| 16:21.23 | unfo | I am just trying to save you time. |
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| 16:21.48 | stoned | I know how to save my own time, thanks |
| 16:22.04 | myki | Hi. After my system upgrade switching from X server to ttys using ctrl-alt-fx doesnt work. What's wrong? |
| 16:22.20 | jcdubacq | The most current nvidia driver, such as packaged by debian (nvidia-kernel-source + nvidia-glx) does not work here. Anybody managed to have a working nvidia driver with 2.6.16-1 ? |
| 16:22.35 | unfo | myki: please tell the channel whether you are on stable, unstable, testing, or backports :) |
| 16:22.42 | myki | testing |
| 16:22.44 | jcdubacq | myki: my c-a-fx works perfectly (sid) |
| 16:22.55 | unfo | myki: testing is unsupported by most here. |
| 16:23.07 | stoned | no it isn't |
| 16:23.07 | myki | jcdubacq: I'm using sarge, I've reinstalled xserver org. |
| 16:23.16 | unfo | stoned: i said most. |
| 16:23.19 | stoned | unfo, don't give out false information |
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| 16:23.36 | myki | I mean I've been using it and switching worked perfectly, now it doesnt. |
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| 16:24.00 | stoned | being unsupported, and not enough people using it, are two entirely different things |
| 16:24.04 | Ashex | I need to copy a massive amount of files, but cp doesn't enjoy spaces in folder names |
| 16:24.10 | Ashex | is there a workaround for this? |
| 16:24.25 | lastnode | every startup i get an error 'Root password required for maintenance.' fstab is set to 0 0 for that disk. anyone know what's up? |
| 16:24.26 | stoned | Ashex, use "" |
| 16:25.03 | unfo | Ashex: use KDE or Gnome to do the copy? :) |
| 16:25.10 | unfo | but seriously, what stoned said. |
| 16:25.16 | Ashex | Thamls |
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| 16:25.22 | nkuttler | lastnode: no other error before? |
| 16:25.33 | lastnode | nkuttler: not really, and fsck gives no errors on the drive |
| 16:25.45 | Ashex | unfo, I thought about it, but if I use cp I can have it running in another display |
| 16:26.12 | lastnode | Ashex: cp -R wont work? (on the parent directory) |
| 16:26.18 | thegraham | Ashex: rename the folders? |
| 16:26.25 | stoned | or use "" |
| 16:26.29 | stoned | lol |
| 16:26.29 | unfo | Ashex: KDE gives you 4 virtual desktops. and, IIRC, a progress bar. |
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| 16:26.42 | stoned | kde gives you 20 desktops |
| 16:26.42 | Bitz | hi, i forgot what need to do to usage the freespace after i did a lvextend, any ideas? |
| 16:26.46 | stoned | 1 to start off with |
| 16:26.48 | stew | Ashex: what *exactly* are you trying to do? |
| 16:27.02 | Ashex | stew: Copy all my music off my external to my hard drive |
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| 16:27.14 | Ashex | but it's located in /My Documents/My Music |
| 16:27.22 | lastnode | My Documents! |
| 16:27.23 | unfo | Ashex: rename the folders. :) |
| 16:27.23 | Bitz | s/usage/use/ |
| 16:27.25 | lastnode | 0.o |
| 16:27.48 | n0cturnal | I have just installed smartd, tried starting it and it seems to have near-frozen my box. I've tried killall smartd though it won't die.. :( is there any other way to kill it? |
| 16:27.58 | stoned | remove the "My " |
| 16:27.59 | stoned | lol |
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| 16:28.09 | Ashex | heh |
| 16:28.11 | stoned | for everything |
| 16:28.14 | Ashex | maybe I'll just use KDE |
| 16:28.25 | StyXman | if I setup some ifaces as manual, where should I set them up? |
| 16:28.25 | Ashex | It's my backup of my windows laptop |
| 16:28.25 | stoned | I mean wtf is with windows and that naming convention |
| 16:28.28 | stoned | of course it is MY shit |
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| 16:28.33 | stoned | lol |
| 16:28.37 | beardy | Ashex: so? cp -r "/mnt/whatever/My Documents/My Music/*" /home/foo/music' ? |
| 16:28.40 | unfo | n0cturnal: kill it with signal 9 as root, or stop it by (as root) /etc/init.d/smartd stop maybe |
| 16:28.41 | Ashex | Yeah, I never got that |
| 16:28.57 | unfo | n0cturnal: or reboot? :) |
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| 16:29.04 | stoned | what, no |
| 16:29.12 | stoned | dont' reboot if you dont' absolutely have to |
| 16:29.13 | Ashex | blast, should have added a -v |
| 16:29.38 | unfo | n0cturnal: would rebooting cause a loss of service to anyone? |
| 16:30.07 | n0cturnal | unfo: tried all of the above.. i dont want to reboot at the risk of it not killing it during shutdown... it's colocated in a facility I can't get to for at least the next 8 hours |
| 16:30.07 | beardy | !reboot |
| 16:30.07 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 16:30.15 | StyXman | rephrasing: if I configure some ifaces as manual in /etc/network/interfaces, where should I bring them up? |
| 16:30.17 | Ashex | thanks guys :) |
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| 16:30.35 | beardy | StyXman: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 16:31.12 | StyXman | beardy: no, if they're in manual, they're not bring up by that |
| 16:31.30 | beardy | StyXman: man ifup |
| 16:31.35 | cyzie | how/where do i check what drivers/features is configured in the stock kernel ? |
| 16:31.38 | n0cturnal | hrm.. anyone else got any ideas? |
| 16:31.44 | stoned | cyberia, lamod |
| 16:31.48 | stoned | lsmod* |
| 16:31.55 | stoned | or optionally intall modconf |
| 16:32.05 | stoned | cyzie, ^^ |
| 16:32.07 | beardy | stoned: NO, that only shows the loaded modules. |
| 16:32.11 | stoned | damn tab complletion |
| 16:32.19 | stoned | oh |
| 16:32.23 | stoned | sorry I misread |
| 16:32.27 | Ashex | Is it just me or does linux copy files faster then windows? |
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| 16:32.36 | stoned | it depends on the filesystem |
| 16:32.36 | beardy | cyzie: Check its .config, should be in /boot, kernelname-config probably. |
| 16:32.40 | StyXman | beardy: my question is: what should I do to bvring them up automatically at boot? |
| 16:32.50 | Ashex | I'm copying from ntfs to ext3 |
| 16:32.59 | stoned | ext3 is a slow piece of shit |
| 16:33.06 | stoned | only slighty better than ntfs |
| 16:33.12 | beardy | StyXman: Don't configure them to be brought up manually. 'man 5 interfaces' |
| 16:33.14 | stoned | but its reliable |
| 16:33.14 | stoned | ! |
| 16:33.14 | StyXman | stoned: try reiser then |
| 16:33.14 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 16:33.15 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 16:33.16 | GeorgeA_Work | i heard ext3 was better than ext2 |
| 16:33.25 | stoned | I use xfs+rfs |
| 16:33.33 | stoned | im good to go, I was just telling that dude :) |
| 16:33.58 | beardy | GeorgeA_Work: ext3 is ext2 with a journal, "better" is relative, but a journal is good, yes. |
| 16:34.04 | robin_sz | question: if I need some driver module that isn't built by default in the debian kernel ... I do what exactly? |
| 16:34.34 | StyXman | beardy: I *need* to bring them manually, but no by ifup -a. it brings them in parallel, but I need then in serial |
| 16:34.34 | beardy | robin_sz: Build the module. |
| 16:34.34 | stoned | robin_sz, get the source for the module and biuld it, insert it into the kernel |
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| 16:34.35 | pollywog | how do I know if I need dri loaded in X? |
| 16:34.40 | beardy | !run at boot |
| 16:34.40 | dpkg | To run something at boot, either use an @reboot cronjob (man 5 crontab). Or ask me about "update-rc.d" and "rcconf". |
| 16:34.45 | daft | I have compiled a new kernel (from scratch) and now alsa isnt working. I removed oss and al alsa drivers that i dont have mpg123 is working. alsa player isnt |
| 16:34.45 | stoned | only if you want direct rendering |
| 16:34.47 | beardy | StyXman: ^^^, but I wonder why? |
| 16:34.48 | stoned | !dri |
| 16:34.48 | dpkg | [dri] Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok |
| 16:34.53 | pollywog | stoned: tnx |
| 16:34.59 | stoned | yw |
| 16:35.03 | robin_sz | stoned, so, I need the kernel source and then enable the bit that was missing? |
| 16:35.14 | stoned | sure |
| 16:35.16 | n0cturnal | anyone? help...? |
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| 16:35.20 | GeorgeA_Work | so please... i'm looking for some help with vnc.. i've googled all weekend |
| 16:35.23 | daft | I dont know what im missing |
| 16:35.25 | fer_ | ebian-es |
| 16:35.32 | stew | Ashex: cp -r My\ Documents/My\ Music/* /some/destination |
| 16:35.36 | stoned | GeorgeA_Work, just ask |
| 16:35.39 | beardy | StyXman: Run 'ifup interfacename ; ifup interfacename2' in an @reboot cronjob. |
| 16:35.45 | beefcake | i have a problem with my mdadm raid 'cant read superblock' it just failed out of nowhere :(, what would be the best way to diagnose? |
| 16:36.01 | StyXman | beardy: strange setup. 4 adsl in one nic. I need at least 3 seconds between each adsl or problems ocurr when brought up |
| 16:36.04 | Ashex | stew, thanks for the help, I've got it going now :) |
| 16:36.08 | stoned | Ashex, or cp -r "My Documents/My Music/" |
| 16:36.14 | stoned | I hate escape \ |
| 16:36.16 | stoned | grrr. |
| 16:36.19 | robin_sz | stoned, and the as it comes out of the box, the kernel will be built exactly the same as the one I have instlled as a .deb at the moment. ? |
| 16:36.23 | GeorgeA_Work | i just did.. but this isn't a vnc channel.. this app won't let me /list |
| 16:36.29 | beardy | StyXman: You can add a 'sleep 3' between the ifup's too, to be sure. |
| 16:36.30 | daft | GeorgeA_Work ask your question |
| 16:36.41 | cyzie | beardy, thanks |
| 16:36.47 | stoned | robin_sz, what are you trying to do I don't know. |
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| 16:36.56 | robin_sz | its the spca5xx module Im trying to get going |
| 16:37.00 | StyXman | beardy: how? ifup brings them all in parallel (I figured that out w/ strace) |
| 16:37.06 | stoned | robin_sz, you don't need to rebuild the kernel |
| 16:37.08 | Ashex | I have the strong suspicion that Debian is actually taking full advantage of usb2.0 |
| 16:37.12 | robin_sz | oh |
| 16:37.14 | robin_sz | ok |
| 16:37.17 | GeorgeA_Work | what do i need to change in the vnc.conf to access... and does it work on port 5800-5901 |
| 16:37.18 | stoned | robin_sz, you need to JUST build the kernel module |
| 16:37.23 | stoned | get the driver source and compile it |
| 16:37.26 | newb1e | what i need to install to get thumbnails for videofiles in konqueror |
| 16:37.27 | beardy | StyXman: Hmm, can't you specify which interface to bring up/down with ifup/ifdown? |
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| 16:37.44 | robin_sz | stoned, OK, I assumed the driver was part of the kernel ... |
| 16:37.56 | nwonknu- | hi im new to repositories is it possible to add http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages to my sources.list? |
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| 16:37.57 | beardy | StyXman: Are the interfaces configured with auto in the interfaces file? |
| 16:37.59 | stoned | no device drivers are compiled and loaded into the kernel |
| 16:38.04 | stoned | as modules |
| 16:38.24 | stoned | they can be removed/unloaded |
| 16:38.32 | n0cturnal | how can I kill a process that won't die.. either by a kill -9 PID or killall <procname> |
| 16:38.41 | stoned | killall -9 |
| 16:38.44 | stoned | if it is a zombie process |
| 16:38.48 | stoned | you must kill the parent proc |
| 16:38.57 | beardy | nwonknu-: apt-setup |
| 16:38.59 | stoned | try ps auxf and see what started it |
| 16:39.00 | StyXman | beardy: if they're as auto, ifup brings them up in parallel, which ends with at least two of them not configured. so I thought of putting them as manual and bring them up elsewhere |
| 16:39.01 | beardy | !zombie |
| 16:39.01 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 16:39.23 | stoned | Rob Zombie! |
| 16:39.24 | stoned | hehe |
| 16:39.25 | n0cturnal | how can i find the parent process? |
| 16:39.32 | stoned | n0cturnal, ps auxf |
| 16:39.40 | stoned | grep it or less it |
| 16:39.53 | stew | !ppid |
| 16:39.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 16:39.55 | stoned | if it has a Z it is a zombie |
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| 16:40.11 | stew | !parent process is <reply> see ppid |
| 16:40.11 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 16:40.17 | stoned | ok |
| 16:40.39 | beardy | StyXman: Yes, that's why I asked if therey were configured as auto, they should not be, then you can bring them up, by running 'ifup interface1 ; sleep 3 ; ifup interface2 ; sleep 3 ; andsoon' in an @reboot cronjob. Read 'man 4 crontab' and 'man 1 crontab' if you don't know how cron works. |
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| 16:40.43 | stew | win 31 |
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| 16:40.45 | RobNyc | !ati |
| 16:40.46 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt |
| 16:41.03 | RobNyc | anyone here has a x1600 ? |
| 16:41.17 | robin_sz | stoned: ok, so I am running stable, the spca5xx driver is available in unstable ... so now what? |
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| 16:41.50 | beardy | StyXman: Sorry, typo, 'man 5 crontab' |
| 16:41.55 | n0cturnal | hrmm... now they ARE the parent processes.. and i can't kill them. |
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| 16:41.59 | stoned | ahh, I should read the man page for ps again |
| 16:42.03 | stoned | i've forgotten things |
| 16:42.10 | StyXman | beardy: hmm, and if I setup shorewall over those ifaces I won't have any problem. or so I hope. more in a minute :) |
| 16:42.29 | stoned | robin_sz, I don't know mate |
| 16:42.49 | GeorgeA_Work | so nobody knows huh... smoke break then |
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| 16:43.00 | lastnode | what's the deb offtopic/social channel? |
| 16:43.10 | Ronin | lastnode: debian-offtopic |
| 16:43.26 | beardy | StyXman: 'crontab -e' edits your crontab, by using the $EDITOR environment variable, (set in your .bashrc/.bash_profile) |
| 16:43.27 | lastnode | tx Ronin |
| 16:43.41 | StyXman | beardy: ok, tx |
| 16:43.57 | stoned | GeorgeA_Work, what exactly are you wanting to do with that vnc. sorry I don't know i missed it if you said it earlier |
| 16:44.07 | nwonknu- | anyone know any repositories where i can get things like amule etc |
| 16:44.08 | stoned | plus my chat window is small buffer |
| 16:44.15 | beardy | StyXman: No problem, let me know how it works out. It's all in the manual, man 1 crontab. |
| 16:44.23 | stoned | nwonknu-, have you added contrib non-free |
| 16:44.35 | daft | GeorgeA_Work: what vnc package are you useing any way |
| 16:44.56 | stoned | if they are not in there then just google for em, usually those software have a .deb you can download and dpkg -i |
| 16:45.05 | nwonknu- | stoned deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main <--- should i add it to that |
| 16:45.11 | beardy | nwonknu-: Why isn't it in Debian? Not free? |
| 16:45.20 | beardy | !non-free |
| 16:45.21 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 16:45.27 | stoned | deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free <-- make it look like this |
| 16:45.30 | nwonknu- | beardy, ? |
| 16:45.32 | stoned | etc. |
| 16:46.03 | stoned | nwonknu-, ^^ |
| 16:46.16 | beardy | nwonknu-: add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line |
| 16:46.21 | GeorgeA_Work | realvnc viewer 4 at this location |
| 16:46.28 | beardy | !+info amule sarge |
| 16:46.29 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 16:46.31 | dpkg | Package 'amule' does not exist. |
| 16:46.57 | stoned | nwonknu-, if they are not in there then just google for em, usually those software have a .deb you can download and dpkg -i |
| 16:46.59 | GeorgeA_Work | stoned... i want to access my stash remotely and burn one down... what else? |
| 16:47.20 | nwonknu- | stoned, beardy ty |
| 16:47.27 | beardy | !+info amule |
| 16:47.29 | dpkg | amule: (All-platform eMule P2P Client), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1236 kB, Installed size: 3244 kB |
| 16:47.37 | robin_sz | ok, so I have the spca5xx-source package .. but it now claims to need debhelper >5.00 and the one in stbale is 4.2.32 ... now what? |
| 16:47.39 | beardy | nwonknu-: It's not in sarge. |
| 16:47.53 | stoned | you can try to backport it yourself |
| 16:48.05 | beardy | nwonknu-: It's in testing and unstable. |
| 16:48.10 | stoned | !tell nwonknu- about simple sid backport |
| 16:48.11 | beardy | !backports |
| 16:48.12 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 16:48.38 | szym | Hi. When I start X it starts to narrow a little and then after a while changes resolution with characteristic click in my monitor. Now it has changed and desktop is always to narrow all the time (circles are oval) |
| 16:48.47 | stoned | szym, you are using the correct drivers? |
| 16:48.56 | szym | stoned: default, not nvidia ones |
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| 16:49.06 | stoned | !nvidia |
| 16:49.07 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 16:49.17 | stoned | there ya go |
| 16:49.17 | beardy | szym: Perhaps you have configured the wrong resolution? |
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| 16:49.41 | stoned | szym, its more than likely a case of bad monitor specs |
| 16:49.43 | beardy | stoned: Stop pushing for proprietary drivers, especially since he hasn't asked for it. |
| 16:49.47 | szym | beardy: It worked properly before I did apt-get remove xserver-xorg and install xserver-xorg |
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| 16:50.02 | beardy | szym: Well, why would you do that? |
| 16:50.10 | stoned | szym, did you specify the correct monitor frequences? that can also cause problems |
| 16:50.29 | beardy | !drxx szym |
| 16:50.30 | dpkg | szym: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:50.34 | szym | beardy: dependenion affairs |
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| 16:51.18 | szym | beardy: the point is i didn't change the configuration. one i set it, it worked |
| 16:51.36 | stoned | stop pushing drivers made for a video card by its own company |
| 16:51.40 | stoned | sure, whatever you say |
| 16:51.42 | stoned | :) |
| 16:51.57 | beardy | szym: Well, if you reinstalled it, it may have brought in a new config file (but then it shouldn't work at all..) Atleast check it, if it's correct. |
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| 16:52.10 | szym | beardy: I have |
| 16:52.18 | szym | so I'm asking there |
| 16:52.30 | beardy | stoned: It's not free, the nv driver is. |
| 16:53.07 | robin_sz | ok, so I now have the module source installed .. I build it how exactly? |
| 16:53.08 | stoned | how is it not free, can't you go and download it off thier site for free, without signing up, they dont' even ask if you own any nvidia products |
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| 16:53.24 | stoned | how is it not being 'free' hurt its functionality at all? |
| 16:53.28 | robin_sz | some mystical dpkg incantation? |
| 16:53.32 | stoned | has absolutely no impact whatsoever |
| 16:53.56 | beardy | szym: Alt+Num+ (or ctrl-alt-num+ ?) try it if you have more resolutions configured. |
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| 16:54.19 | azeem | stoned: the x.org people cannot integrate it properly |
| 16:54.49 | stoned | oh |
| 16:54.53 | szym | beardy: mhm, It moves through diffrent, but allways it's too narrow. |
| 16:54.53 | robin_sz | ok, how do I build a module.db from the debain source package I installed? |
| 16:54.55 | beardy | stoned: Many disagree. #debian supports Debian, the proprietary, not free, Nvidia driver isn't. |
| 16:55.01 | unity | hello, i am having this problem where while using HPLaserJet1200 Postscript drivers, KDVI and Scribus print things on the page correctly, but xpdf ane KGhostView, KPDF, print everything about .5 inch closer to the bottom of the page than it should be |
| 16:55.04 | beardy | +in Debian. |
| 16:55.05 | stoned | yeh I guess you're right |
| 16:55.17 | stoned | but whatever, if you want 3d support you gotta use it otherwise stick to nv |
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| 16:55.44 | beardy | stoned: Of course, but since he didn't ask for it, he doesn't need/want it. |
| 16:55.47 | stoned | you right thoug, he didn't ask for but I suggested it anyway |
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| 16:56.25 | redloff | hi, I have a problem with my gigabit integrated ethernet on asus a8n-vm csm and audigy 2 value (on pci), they seem to... hate each other... I can safely use ethernet until I make a sound :| whenever I play mp3 or watch mowie, afer a minute or so, my ethernet card refuses to cooperate (destinantion host unreachable when trying to ping any host), everything goes smooth under winxp, any suggestions? |
| 16:56.40 | beardy | Hmm, why did he quit now... |
| 16:56.59 | Misogynist | Is there a list of Debian "best practices" when mixing official packages with things compiled from source and installed with checkinstall? |
| 16:57.11 | redloff | here is my hardware http://redloff.bash.pl/dane_techniczne.txt |
| 16:57.27 | redloff | same thing happened earlier on ubuntu |
| 16:57.28 | beardy | Misogynist: Keep everything you compile yourself in /usr/local. |
| 16:57.39 | redloff | i simply don't know what to do, nor where to look for an answer |
| 16:57.42 | beardy | Misogynist: Or your homedirectory. |
| 16:58.12 | multi_io | when trying to apt-get install any package, it aborts with "The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178 but it is not installable". BUT: nvidia-glx 1.0.8178-1 is installed! What's the problem? |
| 16:58.19 | multi_io | oops |
| 16:58.31 | multi_io | nevermind... |
| 16:58.39 | cahoot | redloff: they don't happen to share irq? |
| 16:58.49 | onetinsoldier | Misogynist: what beardy said. most source compiles to have itself(thereofre checkinstall and it's resulting .deb's) to install to /usr/local |
| 16:58.58 | redloff | cahoot, I don't know how to check it |
| 16:58.59 | onetinsoldier | *therefore |
| 16:59.19 | cahoot | redloff: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 16:59.20 | redloff | cahoot, nor how to change it :) |
| 16:59.21 | robin_sz | bah. poxy thing ... why does it say dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `spca5xx//DEBIAN/control' for reading .. when clearly DEBIAN should be in lower case huh? |
| 16:59.22 | redloff | oh |
| 17:00.04 | azeem | robin_sz: it should be DEBIAN |
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| 17:00.24 | azeem | robin_sz: this probably means a file corruption of the .deb |
| 17:00.25 | beardy | Misogynist: If they create .debs, and you trust them, you can install them with the packagesystem, and then they perhaps install themselves in /, and if you trust them, and they behave, it's ok. But if you compile things that doesn't result in a .deb, always /usr/local. |
| 17:00.27 | robin_sz | azeem, OK, I'll mv the dir |
| 17:00.27 | redloff | cahoot, http://redloff.bash.pl/i.txt |
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| 17:00.33 | azeem | robin_sz: the dir? |
| 17:00.57 | robin_sz | azeem, the package contains a debian dir, I'll mv it to DEBIAN |
| 17:01.03 | azeem | eh, wait |
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| 17:01.06 | azeem | what are you doing? |
| 17:01.14 | robin_sz | renaming a dir |
| 17:01.18 | robin_sz | in a source package |
| 17:01.24 | azeem | ok, what are you /trying/ to achieve? |
| 17:01.27 | robin_sz | that im trying to build with dpkg -i |
| 17:01.27 | cahoot | redloff: the sound card a usb thing - if so they seem to share irq |
| 17:01.29 | stoned | !dmix |
| 17:01.30 | dpkg | dmix is probably an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 17:01.33 | beardy | Misogynist: But if you have a choice where the .deb should install, I'd use /usr/local. |
| 17:01.45 | azeem | robin_sz: you don't build source packages with dpkg -i |
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| 17:01.53 | robin_sz | azeta_, im trying to build the spca5xx kernel module |
| 17:01.56 | redloff | I can't find audigy there, but usb1 usb2 and eth0 seem to share interrupts, what would explain why connecting anything to usb makes my eth go crazy |
| 17:01.58 | robin_sz | dpkg --build I meant |
| 17:01.59 | azeem | no wonder it doesn't find DEBIAN |
| 17:02.02 | moravec | hello |
| 17:02.06 | redloff | cahoot, no, this is pci soundcard |
| 17:02.20 | azeem | robin_sz: use something more high-level like debuild or dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:02.26 | onetinsoldier | beardy: have you ever used 'checkinstall'? |
| 17:02.40 | beardy | onetinsoldier: No. |
| 17:02.45 | moravec | how i conected to ftp with debian??? |
| 17:02.59 | beardy | onetinsoldier: Not that I remember, please correct my answers if they were wrong. |
| 17:03.00 | onetinsoldier | beardy: it's very nice. i recommend it it! |
| 17:03.07 | cahoot | redloff: anyway it was just an idea I got - have no clue as to how really solve your problem |
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| 17:03.43 | beardy | onetinsoldier: I'll do that. |
| 17:04.14 | redloff | cahoot, thx anyway. and btw: do you know how to change an interrupt of let's say my ethernet card? |
| 17:04.42 | robin_sz | azeem, surely dpkg-buildpackage is a lower level command than dpkg --build? no .. ?? |
| 17:04.46 | azeem | no |
| 17:04.54 | cahoot | redloff: no - shouldnt need to with a well behaved device |
| 17:04.55 | azeem | dpkg --build is as low as it gets |
| 17:04.55 | dpkg | azeem: what are you talking about? |
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| 17:04.59 | onetinsoldier | beardy: well, i got the feeling you hadn't. when you use checkinstall, the .deb is made so that as long as the source was compiled with the PREFIX=/usr/local for the 'make install' then the .deb it makes is installed to /usr/local ...of course. and btw, |
| 17:05.07 | redloff | hm |
| 17:05.08 | azeem | short of running tar and ar yourself |
| 17:05.26 | beardy | onetinsoldier: I see. Yeah that's nice. |
| 17:05.29 | onetinsoldier | beardy: debian only has v1.5.3 in sarge ans sid... it's not in testing. but v1.6.0 is available |
| 17:05.38 | onetinsoldier | *and |
| 17:05.54 | redloff | are bios interrupt settings of any use under linux? |
| 17:05.58 | onetinsoldier | don't use v1.5.3... get 1.6.0 |
| 17:06.03 | arooni | has anyone ever used gsoap here? |
| 17:06.38 | redloff | or is kernel bios-independent thingie? |
| 17:06.44 | onetinsoldier | i'm going to request the new upstream 1.6.0 version... as soon as i get my mail set up! |
| 17:06.52 | beardy | redloff: Yes, but it may be overridden, I think. But I remember I fiddled with a parallellports irq once, and it used what the bios said. |
| 17:07.13 | beardy | onetinsoldier: Ok. Thanks for the info. |
| 17:07.13 | redloff | oh |
| 17:07.15 | jetscreamer | !anyone |
| 17:07.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:07.17 | onetinsoldier | yw |
| 17:07.39 | cahoot | redloff: one other idea (taken fro my dmesg): PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq" |
| 17:08.06 | beardy | redloff: I fiddled with it in the bios, that is. |
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| 17:08.34 | Misogynist | Does the mysql-server-5.0 package in Unstable support clustering or other mysqld-max features? |
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| 17:08.48 | wfq | hi every one |
| 17:08.56 | InfraRed | hi wfq |
| 17:08.57 | redloff | cahoot, should I give this paremeter when loading device module or rather as a boot paremeter? |
| 17:09.00 | onetinsoldier | beardy: in case you really want to get it and wonder where from... here ya go: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/index.php |
| 17:09.04 | redloff | beardy, I see, thx |
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| 17:09.21 | cahoot | redloff: on the kernel line in bootloader config |
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| 17:09.53 | wfq | sorry, i just copile my 2.6.16 and i have noted modules haven't been loaded in /lib/modules/2... else, in /usr/src/linux... |
| 17:09.55 | wfq | why? |
| 17:09.58 | redloff | cahoot, and how do I find more about routeirq? |
| 17:10.02 | beardy | onetinsoldier: Not at the moment, but thanks :) |
| 17:10.17 | GeorgeA_Work | i hate wirless networks....just thought everybody should know... |
| 17:10.29 | undrdawg | ok so i have Yet Another Aptitude Question (YaaQ)... |
| 17:10.33 | arooni | i'm having trouble translating a soap wsdl into c++... it works fine for primitive data types but fails when i return a composite type. gsoap (help c++ library for soap/xml/html/rpc) fails to convert it properly? ideas? |
| 17:10.43 | onetinsoldier | beardy: ok.. cool. yw |
| 17:10.53 | cahoot | redloff: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 17:10.55 | undrdawg | what is the A flag for? |
| 17:11.06 | undrdawg | the help menu doesnt say |
| 17:11.07 | redloff | cahoot, thx |
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| 17:11.30 | undrdawg | i removed it with - |
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| 17:11.39 | undrdawg | and then hit + to select install |
| 17:11.43 | undrdawg | now the A is gone |
| 17:11.48 | undrdawg | just pi |
| 17:12.30 | beardy | StyXman: Got your interfaces working? |
| 17:12.42 | undrdawg | does this mean this was a dep of something else? |
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| 17:13.13 | StyXman | beardy: my cronjob is not working yet, but I think is a PATH problem |
| 17:13.51 | beardy | undrdawg: It means it is Automatically being installed to satisfy a dependency, and if you later remove/purge the depending package, the automatically installeed package will be removed aswell, if not needed by anything else. So, don't change the A, if you want it to uninstall in the future if you remove the depending package. |
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| 17:14.17 | systemerror | my gxl doesnt worke anymore till yesterday? what could it be? if i make glxgears then xdm restart? please help me |
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| 17:15.33 | beardy | StyXman: Hmm, what does cron say? In the whining mail? |
| 17:15.54 | undrdawg | ok thats what i thought thanks |
| 17:16.11 | StyXman | beardy: sec |
| 17:16.13 | wfq | does anyone know why it happens? |
| 17:16.19 | websdale | systemerror:what graphics card/driver are you using? |
| 17:16.22 | beardy | undrdawg: I'm sure it's in the manual, or info doc, or /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 17:17.14 | adna | Want to use xf86config to setup X, but there doesn't seem to be a .deb for it..? |
| 17:17.33 | beardy | adna: Don't. |
| 17:17.36 | beardy | !drxx adna |
| 17:17.38 | adna | What can I apt-get to have text-based X setup? |
| 17:17.39 | dpkg | adna: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:17.40 | undrdawg | heh someone wardrove my router |
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| 17:18.39 | StyXman | beardy: no mail. something's wrong here :-| |
| 17:18.42 | beardy | adna: Use what dpkg said above. If you want to edit it by hand, just use an editor (don't, unless you have to, or know what you are doing) |
| 17:19.01 | beardy | StyXman: What does your crontab line look like? |
| 17:19.08 | adna | "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works at a command line? |
| 17:19.17 | beardy | adna: Of course. |
| 17:19.38 | systemerror | i use an savage card and the savage driver in kernel |
| 17:19.41 | adna | Thanks. Why not use one of the setup utilities? |
| 17:19.44 | systemerror | can you help me? |
| 17:19.55 | beardy | adna: That is the "setup utility". |
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| 17:21.07 | adna | beardy: thank you. |
| 17:21.16 | beardy | adna: You're welcome. |
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| 17:21.34 | systemerror | websdale: i use a savage card and the savage driver in kernel |
| 17:22.00 | StyXman | beardy: http://pastebin.com/745122 |
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| 17:22.59 | websdale | systemerror: have a look at the /var/log/XFree86 log or Xorg log depending on which one you use |
| 17:23.26 | undrdawg | wtf is a virtual package? |
| 17:23.38 | valdyn | !virtual package |
| 17:23.38 | dpkg | hmm... virtual package is a package that doesn't really exist but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) which provide a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To find which package(s) provide a foo virtual package, use $ apt-cache showpkg foo; |
| 17:23.49 | systemerror | websdale: the problem is that i worked till yesterday and i dont know why |
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| 17:24.09 | JAV | $ alsamixer |
| 17:24.09 | JAV | ALSA lib control.c:816:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default |
| 17:24.19 | adna | dpkg: What about <xmd5>? |
| 17:24.38 | valdyn | undrdawg: that is a package that doesnt really exist except by being 'provided' by some package(s), see apt-cache show exim4 and what it 'Provides:' |
| 17:24.50 | RobNyc | !radeon |
| 17:24.50 | dpkg | somebody said radeon was the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
| 17:24.53 | JAV | i think it happens since last upgrade, any solution? |
| 17:24.58 | RobNyc | !fglrx |
| 17:24.59 | dpkg | methinks fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
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| 17:25.08 | websdale | systemerror: something must have changed since then - have you updated anything etc.? - you should look at your logs anyway |
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| 17:25.16 | Tampo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2676 - anyone please? |
| 17:25.23 | redloff | cahoot, you were right.. they're sharing the same interrupt: 5: 11932 IO-APIC-edge ehci_hcd:usb1, ohci_hcd:usb2, eth0, EMU10K1 |
| 17:26.07 | StyXman | beardy: instead os a user's crontab, I just put it in /etc/cron.d/ |
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| 17:26.17 | redloff | cahoot, I've also tried pci=routeirq but it didn't improve the situation, I'll try 'biosirq' and see what happens :F |
| 17:26.56 | valdyn | redloff: which of these devices is _not_ on the mainboard? |
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| 17:27.26 | redloff | valdyn, a soundcard (emu10k1) |
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| 17:28.13 | spanglesontoast | drannit now the soundcard doesn't work |
| 17:28.16 | valdyn | redloff: plug that soundcard into a different pci slot |
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| 17:28.30 | robin_sz | oh, thats weird .. so installed a backport of kernel-2.6.16-1 ... and grub has gone .. |
| 17:28.51 | robin_sz | ok, so what gets used instead of grub then? |
| 17:28.59 | redloff | valdyn, already did it, no change |
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| 17:29.01 | systemerror | websdale: no i have none updated |
| 17:29.02 | kacper | I've compiled new kernel. Everything works except that, every boot I get a bunch of: modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.16.16/modules.deb, no such file or directory. Except that everything's ok. |
| 17:29.18 | systemerror | websdale: if i make glxgears then xdm make a restart |
| 17:29.41 | stew | kacper: try running "depmod -a" which should create modules.dep |
| 17:29.51 | kacper | stew: This file exists! |
| 17:29.59 | beardy | StyXman: Why didn't you listen.. crontab(1) is what is used to list, and edit the crontab. In this case, it's root's crontab we want to use, to bring up the interfaces. I'm not sure what that is, your paste? 1) become root 2) 'crontab -e' 3) type, at a new line "@reboot /sbin/ifup arnet1 ; /bin/sleep 5 ; /sbin/ifup arnet2 ; sleep 5 ; /sbin/ifup arnet3 ; sleep 5 ; /sbin/ifup arnet4 ; sleep 5 ; /sbin/ifup arnet5" (without the quotations "") or, use what |
| 17:30.04 | redloff | systemerror, did you mess with compmgr? if so, then disable it |
| 17:30.07 | stew | kacper: did you compiler your kenrel with make-kpkg? |
| 17:30.14 | kacper | stew: yes |
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| 17:30.41 | systemerror | redloff mess withcompmgr? what do you mean with mess compmgr? |
| 17:30.48 | kacper | stew: first make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image, then dpkg -i image.deb |
| 17:30.48 | stew | kacper: did you compile any 3rd party modules? |
| 17:30.55 | kacper | stew: no |
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| 17:30.59 | stew | odd |
| 17:31.00 | StyXman | beardy: i put it in the system s crontab, namely, /etc/cron.d/anyfile (in this case, a file called adsl). that *should* work likewise |
| 17:31.04 | valdyn | redloff: are all irqs really set to available for pci by your bios? |
| 17:31.11 | redloff | systemerror, simply, do you use compmgr.. |
| 17:31.15 | robin_sz | OK, so now what .. what bootmanager should I use with a 2.6.16 kernel since it seems to dislike grub? |
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| 17:31.33 | systemerror | no i dont use it |
| 17:31.53 | redloff | valdyn, I'll check that, what if they are? |
| 17:31.57 | redloff | brb |
| 17:32.00 | websdale | redloff:whats compmgr ? |
| 17:32.04 | valdyn | redloff: then that wasnt a possible source of error |
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| 17:32.07 | stew | robin_sz: grub should work, what exactly is going wrong? |
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| 17:32.17 | DaSkreech | Does the new apt require server support? |
| 17:32.28 | kacper | stew: I've been compiling it several times for diffrent configurations, I've realised about that just now |
| 17:32.30 | valdyn | redloff: my thinkpad had only 10 available, and _many_ devices shared that, worked fine. But might aswell be areason for error |
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| 17:32.49 | robin_sz | stew, when I installed the 2.6.16 .deb, it removed grub ... when I apt-get install grub it threatens to remove 2.6.16 |
| 17:32.57 | sn00p | how do I mount ntfs hardrive on debian? |
| 17:33.19 | beardy | StyXman: I doubt that. Isn't only /etc/cron.d/daily monthly and so on only executed, at their times? Do it my way. |
| 17:33.21 | valdyn | sn00p: the thing you mount is called filesystem |
| 17:33.29 | valdyn | sn00p: and in a special case, partition |
| 17:33.33 | websdale | systemerror: you could try reinstalling your driver especially if its an in-kernel thing - but look at your logs to see what happens when xdm restarts |
| 17:33.44 | valdyn | sn00p: mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /path/to/mountpoint |
| 17:33.53 | robin_sz | sn00p, with the -t ntfs option in the mount command maybe? |
| 17:33.58 | kacper | I've compiled new kernel. Everything works except that, every boot I get a bunch of: modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.16.16/modules.deb, no such file or directory. Except that everything's ok. The modules.deb is there it should and is accesable. |
| 17:34.02 | robin_sz | waht valdyn said |
| 17:34.06 | RobNyc | whats the easiest way to install the ati drivers ? |
| 17:34.06 | stew | robin_sz: oh, you are installing a backport, you need a backport version of a newer grub |
| 17:34.08 | StyXman | beardy: /etc/cron.d is supposed to be run always |
| 17:34.14 | stew | !conflicts linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 |
| 17:34.17 | beardy | StyXman: It's better to only let packages add their jobs there, themselves, and leave it alone. |
| 17:34.20 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.16-1-686: grub (<= 0.95+cvs20040624-17) |
| 17:34.30 | robin_sz | stew: ah ok. thanks |
| 17:34.53 | beardy | StyXman: And Iäm not sure if @reboot and the other @ jobs work there, but perhaps they do. |
| 17:35.26 | sn00p | valdyn:: wont work |
| 17:35.49 | beardy | StyXman: Isn't much simpler to have every job you add yourself collected under root's crontab, I think so anyway. |
| 17:35.51 | valdyn | !tell sn00p -about ask |
| 17:35.58 | valdyn | !tell sn00p -about doesn't work |
| 17:36.04 | beardy | StyXman: If root needs to run them, that is. |
| 17:36.05 | valdyn | !tell sn00p -about smart questions |
| 17:36.06 | StyXman | beardy: they're supposed to have the same format. ok, I'll try it in root's crontab |
| 17:36.33 | DaSkreech | Is there a \n ifo page on teh new apt? |
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| 17:36.42 | cube2 | hi guys |
| 17:36.43 | beardy | DaSkreech: new apt? |
| 17:36.44 | DaSkreech | an |
| 17:36.52 | pandamonium | I'm beginning to suspect that my usb ports aren't working quite how they should. Is there a way to test them? I've failed to install every device I've tried. |
| 17:36.53 | DaSkreech | the one that allows you to download diffs |
| 17:36.54 | beardy | DaSkreech: info new apt? |
| 17:36.55 | sn00p | valdyn the ntfs file system wont mount using the mount -t ntfs command |
| 17:37.06 | kacper | I've compiled new kernel. Everything works except that, every boot I get a bunch of: modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.16.16/modules.deb, no such file or directory. Except that everything's ok. The modules.deb is there it should and is accesable. |
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| 17:37.16 | pandamonium | They're showing as devices in /var/log/messages |
| 17:37.20 | cube2 | can someone paste me a good sources.list for debian sarge plz !? |
| 17:37.35 | beardy | cube2: apt-setup |
| 17:37.38 | Supaplex | where does pump keep its config files, and does it support setting dhcp-client-identifier ? |
| 17:37.41 | beardy | cube2: /msg dpkg paste |
| 17:37.56 | beardy | Supaplex: locate pump |grep conf |
| 17:38.39 | StyXman | Supaplex: pump?!? pump is *old* |
| 17:38.42 | pandamonium | Or even better - is there a way to start over with configuring this blasted machine without losing files on my hard drive? |
| 17:38.47 | cube2 | beardy, u can paste at pastebin.com or sth like this |
| 17:38.52 | beardy | Supaplex: Also read the manual. The FILES section. |
| 17:39.03 | Supaplex | yes, but I'm working with I have. |
| 17:39.09 | StyXman | Supaplex: ah, ok |
| 17:39.12 | beardy | cube2: No, (you probably run ubuntu?) run apt-setup. |
| 17:39.16 | DaSkreech | beardy: Wasnt there a release about a new apt system for debian? |
| 17:39.39 | cube2 | beardy, i run debian sarge |
| 17:39.39 | Supaplex | there is no files section, but I found it. /etc/pump.conf |
| 17:39.44 | StyXman | DaSkreech: diffed Packages? |
| 17:39.48 | DaSkreech | Yes |
| 17:39.48 | Supaplex | there's a lot of bs on this machine :P |
| 17:40.03 | DaSkreech | Instead of downloading all of X.org you would just get the diffs |
| 17:40.06 | beardy | DaSkreech: No idea what you are talking about. But perhaps you mean aptitude? |
| 17:40.15 | StyXman | Supaplex: better way to get rid of it: setup a clone from scratch :-| |
| 17:40.20 | DaSkreech | No I'm pretty sure it was an apt |
| 17:40.26 | cube2 | beardy, but imo the sources.list which was made by apt-setup looks a bit strange, |
| 17:40.36 | beardy | cube2: Why? |
| 17:40.48 | beardy | cube2: What's strange? Edit it then. |
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| 17:40.57 | valdyn | sn00p: im supposed to guess the error message? |
| 17:40.57 | cube2 | duno...but there r only 3 entrys... |
| 17:41.11 | beardy | cube2: Yeah? WHy should there be more? |
| 17:41.11 | StyXman | beardy: ok, it worked from root's crontab :-| |
| 17:41.12 | spanglesontoast | is there a simple way to find sound cards on the 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:41.22 | beardy | StyXman: Ok. That's good. |
| 17:41.31 | beardy | StyXman: Be happy :) |
| 17:41.45 | valdyn | spanglesontoast: finding soundcards has nothing to do with your kernel version, lspci | grep -i audio |
| 17:41.46 | sn00p | valdyn: it says wrong fs type |
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| 17:41.56 | cube2 | beardy, for example cuz i don't find some drivers... |
| 17:42.08 | valdyn | sn00p: great, so the partition you tried to mount has no ntfs filesystem on it |
| 17:42.15 | spanglesontoast | lspci | grep -i audio |
| 17:42.16 | beardy | cube2: Tell us what you are looking for then. |
| 17:42.17 | spanglesontoast | oops |
| 17:42.18 | beardy | !cuz |
| 17:42.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, cuz is you mean because?, or an affectionate name for your cousin (or cousin, according to dvs). |
| 17:42.19 | redloff | valdyn, I've only: "IRQ-XX assigned to [PCI Device]" for all IRQs, the other option is [reserved |
| 17:42.24 | spanglesontoast | 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 04) |
| 17:42.26 | sn00p | valdyn yes it does I formatted it ntfs |
| 17:42.29 | redloff | websdale, it's a thingie for hardware true transparency |
| 17:42.37 | valdyn | sn00p: linux knows better |
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| 17:42.59 | valdyn | sn00p: now tell us the command you entered to mount this _precisely_ |
| 17:42.59 | redloff | valdyn, but I turned off "PnP OS", and disabled usb.. let's see |
| 17:43.04 | sn00p | valdyn i had the same problem with ubuntu but someone told me a program which I cant remember that mounted it for me |
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| 17:43.28 | migiel | i've got a sound problem, when i do ls -l /dev/dsp i get no such file or directory.., but i can listen to music with xmms using the alsa output plugin, what can i do about this..? |
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| 17:43.48 | redloff | naaah... 5: 6993 IO-APIC-edge eth0, EMU10K1 |
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| 17:43.55 | cube2 | i look for rt2500 |
| 17:44.03 | beardy | migiel: Use the alsa oss emulation. |
| 17:44.03 | valdyn | sn00p: that's probably a misunderstanding, only mount can mount, everything else is a wrapper using just the same system calls |
| 17:44.07 | cube2 | a wlan driver for the ralink2500 chipset |
| 17:44.09 | stew | migiel: modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
| 17:44.16 | beardy | migiel: If you want to use /dev/dsp that is. |
| 17:44.27 | beardy | migiel: what stew said âbove |
| 17:44.42 | sn00p | valdyn well that program worked |
| 17:44.43 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 17:44.43 | dpkg | i heard alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 17:44.46 | beardy | stew: Is that in a factoid? |
| 17:44.50 | beardy | Ah. |
| 17:44.53 | jetscreamer | no |
| 17:45.00 | valdyn | sn00p: why the hell dont you just paste the non-working command |
| 17:45.03 | beardy | ? |
| 17:45.08 | migiel | thx stew/beardy |
| 17:45.11 | jetscreamer | nono factoids here |
| 17:45.17 | jetscreamer | there's not even a bot |
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| 17:45.25 | jetscreamer | you're hallucinating all this |
| 17:45.28 | beardy | !smack jetscreamer |
| 17:45.29 | sn00p | valdyn ok mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb, |
| 17:45.29 | sn00p | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.29 | sn00p | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.29 | sn00p | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.44 | valdyn | sn00p: hdb is no partition |
| 17:45.48 | jetscreamer | sn00p: try -t auto |
| 17:45.54 | valdyn | sn00p: and you STILL didnt paste the command |
| 17:45.55 | jetscreamer | and what valdyn said |
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| 17:46.11 | DaSkreech | No one has heard of the new apt? |
| 17:46.12 | rrk | #flood |
| 17:46.18 | valdyn | sn00p: i'll guess blindly that your ntfs filesystem really is on /dev/hdb1 |
| 17:46.19 | jetscreamer | ~new |
| 17:46.21 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, new is whatever's not old |
| 17:46.25 | stew | !devdsp is if you are using alsa and you get an error about /dev/dsp missing, run "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
| 17:46.25 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 17:46.39 | sn00p | valdyn mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb /media/hdb1 |
| 17:46.50 | stew | DaSkreech: you mean the pdiff stuff? |
| 17:46.53 | jetscreamer | /dev/hdb1 |
| 17:46.55 | valdyn | sn00p: thanks, makes the error more obvious, use /dev/hdb1 |
| 17:47.01 | jetscreamer | lies! |
| 17:47.05 | jetscreamer | use hdddd3 |
| 17:47.07 | DaSkreech | stew: I think so :) |
| 17:47.11 | jetscreamer | or sda3006 |
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| 17:47.23 | sn00p | valdyn: sn00p:/media# mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 |
| 17:47.23 | sn00p | mount: special device /dev/hdb1 does not exist |
| 17:47.24 | stew | !pdiff |
| 17:47.24 | dpkg | hmm... pdiff is http://www.tribulaciones.org/blog/computers/debian/apt-pdiff-support_13-05-2006 |
| 17:47.25 | DaSkreech | stew: I just want to find out more about it |
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| 17:47.36 | DaSkreech | Thanks |
| 17:47.47 | jetscreamer | sn00p: looks like you have the b wrong to me but i don't know |
| 17:47.53 | jetscreamer | or the 1 |
| 17:47.58 | valdyn | sn00p: paste the output of 'cat /proc/partitions' ( not here, use pastebin or some other site ) |
| 17:48.05 | Misogynist | Does the unstable mysql-server-5.0 package include clustering support? |
| 17:48.22 | sn00p | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.22 | sn00p | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.22 | sn00p | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.22 | sn00p | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.22 | sn00p | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:48.24 | valdyn | sn00p: maybe it really is /dev/hda1, but I'm done guessing |
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| 17:48.28 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 17:48.31 | beardy | !flood |
| 17:48.31 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:48.31 | sn00p | opps |
| 17:48.33 | sn00p | lol |
| 17:48.34 | jetscreamer | damn |
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| 17:48.39 | sn00p | sorrypeople |
| 17:48.42 | rohan | !ati |
| 17:48.43 | valdyn | sn00p: so it really is /dev/hda1 ? |
| 17:48.43 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt |
| 17:48.49 | beardy | !tell sn00p -about pastebin |
| 17:48.51 | beardy | !u |
| 17:48.51 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:48.51 | jetscreamer | try a1 or a5 |
| 17:48.53 | beardy | oh |
| 17:48.54 | beardy | !lol |
| 17:48.54 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:48.55 | jetscreamer | it's either/or |
| 17:48.56 | sn00p | valdyn no its a different harddrive |
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| 17:49.04 | jetscreamer | can't tell |
| 17:49.08 | valdyn | sn00p: /dev/hdb doesnt contain any partition at all |
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| 17:49.18 | rohan | well, what about those who want to use newer ati cards on sid ? |
| 17:49.33 | jetscreamer | or maybe he got kicked before the flood stopped? |
| 17:49.38 | valdyn | sn00p: did you _maybe_ use that extended windows whatever volume label dunnowhatitscalled? |
| 17:49.57 | sn00p | valdyn: i dont know but it says I have 39gig free |
| 17:50.01 | lilo_booter | possibly a silly question, but i was wondering if there was a simple way to automate an update to /etc/apt/sources.list and then run an apt-get update followed by an apt-get install with the user downloading and executing a single script file? preferably it would all be gui dialogs [like gksudo for collecting the su pwd and a yes/no dialog which shows all the dependencies which will be installed...] |
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| 17:50.13 | valdyn | sn00p: no partition on that drive...as i said |
| 17:50.27 | sn00p | blah |
| 17:50.27 | stew | !no pdiff is <reply> as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. |
| 17:50.27 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 17:50.31 | sn00p | then I lost all the data |
| 17:50.38 | valdyn | sn00p: uname -r |
| 17:51.01 | DaSkreech | stew: So this doesn't require server support? |
| 17:51.14 | valdyn | sn00p: windows xp has some 'new' paritioning system, i do not remember what it's called or which driver to load for linux to support it |
| 17:51.28 | rohan | what arguement do i pass to the official ati .bin driver to make .deb's for me ? |
| 17:51.39 | pipeline | valdyn, sn00p : Windows XP doesn't have a 'new' system. |
| 17:51.42 | beardy | rohan: Read their docs. |
| 17:51.46 | valdyn | sn00p: best you check back if that partition really exists on windows, and ask a windows support channel about the name of that at least |
| 17:51.48 | stew | DaSkreech: it requires the diffs to be in the repositories. I haven't yet looked at what that entails, i would guess that apt-ftparchive now supports it, but i don't know |
| 17:51.49 | rrk | anyone around to help with a circular apt problem |
| 17:51.50 | valdyn | pipeline: what is it then? |
| 17:51.52 | rohan | beardy: thanks |
| 17:51.53 | rohan | :P |
| 17:52.00 | stew | DaSkreech: all the official mirrors should be supporting it |
| 17:52.02 | lunitik | stew: are there any docs related to that feature anywhere? |
| 17:52.06 | DaSkreech | ok |
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| 17:52.12 | rohan | does debian sid provide prebuilt packages of ati official binary drivers ? |
| 17:52.14 | valdyn | pipeline: i *know* there's a kernel option for that, i dont know what it is really technically |
| 17:52.15 | pipeline | valdyn, sn00p : Windows 2000 and up (can) use a modified Veritas partition table as their native partition table format. It's called "WDM". I know the kernel has WDM support, but I don't know the name of the module either. |
| 17:52.25 | stew | lunitik: not that i have seen, but probably, if you find any, please append them to the factoid |
| 17:52.26 | pipeline | valdyn, sn00p : err, NT4 and up. |
| 17:52.29 | valdyn | pipeline: great, thanks |
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| 17:52.33 | lunitik | pipeline: $50 says google knows the module name |
| 17:52.35 | sn00p | ok, thanks |
| 17:52.43 | sn00p | lol |
| 17:52.44 | lunitik | stew: will do |
| 17:52.47 | sn00p | google knows everything |
| 17:52.49 | pipeline | valdyn, sn00p : You're probably not going to see a Windows XP system with a WDM partition table, though, as the windows installer doesn't understand WDM :P |
| 17:52.49 | davidh | some one can help me with apm set up? |
| 17:52.56 | beardy | sn00p: No. |
| 17:52.58 | pipeline | lunitik: I'm not the one with the question; the burden of google doesn't fall on me. |
| 17:53.11 | nekralixir | sn00p: no it doesn't... yet |
| 17:53.12 | lunitik | pipeline: burden? :( |
| 17:53.13 | valdyn | pipeline: i see, just trying to see where his partition went |
| 17:53.16 | beardy | sn00p: Atleast they don't show it to everyone. |
| 17:53.16 | lunitik | googling is fun! |
| 17:53.20 | valdyn | pipeline: maybe it just never existed though |
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| 17:55.05 | DaSkreech | stew: Thanks |
| 17:55.14 | guilherme-jorge | anybody knows a software named FAM (File Alteration Monitor)?? I'll implement a new web structure in my company, and I'ld like to do a file replication in 3 servers, so when a user close a FTP connection in any of the servers, the altereted file will be copy to anothers servers... Is it possible to do this with FAM??? Alternatives? |
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| 17:55.29 | jetscreamer | rsync ? |
| 17:55.43 | valdyn | guilherme-jorge: fam might be good for that, ganim might be aswell |
| 17:55.48 | valdyn | guilherme-jorge: err gamin |
| 17:55.55 | robin_sz | bah .. got the new griub installed , and loaded the new kernel .. but then X craps itself on startup :( |
| 17:56.01 | jetscreamer | gamin is kde or gnome fam is gnome? |
| 17:56.09 | valdyn | jetscreamer: neither nor |
| 17:56.11 | Crell | fam is neither. |
| 17:56.19 | jetscreamer | i mean compatible with |
| 17:56.20 | Crell | FAM is a background deamon, I believe. |
| 17:56.27 | jetscreamer | sorry |
| 17:56.29 | guilherme-jorge | jetscreamer: So, How to do this replication automatically with rsync? |
| 17:56.30 | valdyn | jetscreamer: gamin implements a subset of fam, gnome can get along with gamin, kde cannot |
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| 17:56.50 | Crell | guilherme-jorge: cron rsync * ? :-) |
| 17:56.57 | MatBoy | Is it possible to manipulate the FanSpeeds under debian with a special package ? |
| 17:56.58 | robin_sz | why is building a simple kernel module the equivalent of slamming your nuts in the desk drawer. repeatedly. almost always a painful experience ;( |
| 17:56.58 | valdyn | Crell: that is famd, its aswell a library and an api |
| 17:57.05 | jetscreamer | valdyn: not sure but i think it's the other way around. kde gets along with gamin not fam. |
| 17:57.16 | valdyn | jetscreamer: no, im sure, i use it |
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| 17:57.28 | Trottolix | hi everyone, is there something broken in alsa? Sound stopped working today after a dist-upgrade. |
| 17:57.29 | lunitik | jetscreamer: gamin replaces fam ... its supposed to be better... I notice no real difference... |
| 17:57.30 | adamant1988 | ok I've just installed seamonkey from source (I think...) and it works, but I don't know how to add it to the gnome menu... I'm using Sarge. |
| 17:57.32 | RichiH | any idea about a nice place to put stuff i want to echo into /proc? |
| 17:57.47 | jetscreamer | i had to install gamin because kde didn't like fam iirc. maybe we're both wrong |
| 17:57.52 | pandamonium | I have an Epson RX420. When I try to print a test page through the browser admin page says "USB port busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." Can anyone shed any light on this? I've been googling for ages trying to find a solution but nothing as yet. |
| 17:57.54 | RichiH | the obvious choice would be rc.d, but perhaps there is a better way |
| 17:57.57 | valdyn | RichiH: on which debian release? |
| 17:57.59 | Crell | Hm. Let me check my system. |
| 17:58.01 | valdyn | RichiH: nope.. |
| 17:58.09 | lunitik | valdyn: most KDE implementations are using gamin now actually... (suse, kubuntu et al) |
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| 17:58.28 | Crell | Gamin's maintained by the Gnome folks, according to aptitude show. |
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| 17:58.45 | rrk | dnotify might make your life a little simpler than fam or rsync |
| 17:58.50 | rrk | http://oskarsapps.mine.nu/dnotify.html |
| 17:58.59 | Crell | I have FAM installed, but I don't know what pulled it in. |
| 17:59.15 | jetscreamer | gnome iirc, or some gnome package |
| 17:59.18 | lunitik | Crell: your desktop |
| 17:59.20 | valdyn | lunitik: ah so both can get along with just gamin then |
| 17:59.25 | pandamonium | Also the Gnome printer admin package asks for root password then does nothing after I've entered it. The kprinter package can't connect to the CUPS server (unknown reason) |
| 17:59.30 | davidh | vasistha: are you there? |
| 17:59.37 | RichiH | valdyn: sid |
| 17:59.50 | lunitik | valdyn: I guess... although KDE does indeed have issues... I think these are considered bugs in gamin though... |
| 18:00.10 | davidh | amy one know where (what file) to place apm=on |
| 18:00.19 | lunitik | valdyn: for instance... installing wine things doesn't update the menu in kde using Gamin... |
| 18:00.26 | valdyn | RichiH: cant you put it into /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
| 18:00.32 | Trottolix | ok. According to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=369299 there's really something broken in alsa. -_- |
| 18:00.41 | pandamonium | adamant1988, have you tried right-clicking on the menu? |
| 18:00.44 | jetscreamer | davidh: lilo.conf you could put it in, or /boot/grub/menu.lst. not sure if that's what you want |
| 18:00.45 | Crell | Wine's a weird beast. |
| 18:00.56 | adamant1988 | I not in the menu itself |
| 18:00.58 | undrdawg | hmm |
| 18:01.02 | rrk | davidh as part of the cmd line in Grub menu.lst |
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| 18:01.07 | mc___ | Crell, ack |
| 18:01.10 | valdyn | RichiH: depending on what you want to echo... |
| 18:01.19 | davidh | jetscreamer: Yes, I put in menu.lst, not working |
| 18:01.22 | undrdawg | "GENTOO - Gentoo is a two-pane file manager for the X Window System" uh wtf |
| 18:01.31 | davidh | rrk: see my comment above |
| 18:01.31 | jetscreamer | !info xfe |
| 18:01.38 | undrdawg | !gentoo |
| 18:01.38 | dpkg | methinks gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 18:01.38 | dpkg | xfe: (lightweight file manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.88-2 (sid), Packaged size: 881 kB, Installed size: 2896 kB |
| 18:01.51 | undrdawg | isnt that a copyright violation? |
| 18:01.55 | undrdawg | or is it the same people? |
| 18:01.56 | lunitik | undrdawg: yes... gentoo was a package manager before it was a distro... gentoo is indeed in the gentoo archives also... |
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| 18:02.19 | undrdawg | cool |
| 18:02.31 | lunitik | undrdawg: entirely unrelated... so don't get them confused... or something |
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| 18:02.52 | pandamonium | adamant1988, pull down your gnome menu and expand where you want your shortcut then right click on it. Entire Menu is what you're looking for. You should be able to add your shortcut. |
| 18:03.00 | undrdawg | i am not trying to mix debian/portage at all |
| 18:03.10 | undrdawg | although i do have portage on my lfs build :D |
| 18:03.11 | Crell | Cool, you can apt-get gentoo. :-) |
| 18:03.12 | valdyn | RichiH: /etc/sysctl.conf is just limited to /proc/sys/* |
| 18:03.30 | adamant1988 | ok I'll try that |
| 18:03.32 | lunitik | renders? |
| 18:03.46 | BSDinux | you can also emerge apt-get... |
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| 18:03.47 | valdyn | lunitik: different fonts? |
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| 18:03.53 | adamant1988 | thanks that worked |
| 18:03.53 | valdyn | lunitik: or what is different? |
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| 18:04.08 | davidh | any one can help with recompile debian kernel? |
| 18:04.10 | RichiH | valdyn: did i say /proc? damn, force of habit. it is /sys |
| 18:04.11 | somedude | how can i do a net install without using any install media |
| 18:04.13 | pandamonium | lunitik, could it be because those sites aren't using websafe fonts? |
| 18:04.17 | somedude | i mean strict off the network |
| 18:04.18 | Crell | davidh: First time? |
| 18:04.20 | mc___ | BSDinux, you can use apt-get on gentoo?? |
| 18:04.25 | RichiH | though it could be that there is a place in /proc, too |
| 18:04.30 | mc___ | davidh, google can |
| 18:04.30 | somedude | i dont have a burner or floppy on this box |
| 18:04.33 | lunitik | valdyn: perhaps... www.myspace.com/thasylum ... on Windows... text fits between the side images... not on Linux though |
| 18:04.50 | BSDinux | sure thing |
| 18:04.55 | valdyn | lunitik: you can install the windows fonts on linux and set firefox to use those |
| 18:05.19 | valdyn | lunitik: nonetheless this is a broken web design |
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| 18:05.28 | davidh | Crell: I actually am able to boot up to command prompt, but not able to start GNOME. it says XFree86 is modified by Debian and is not supported by XFree project |
| 18:05.32 | beardy | RichiH: Can you use sysctl? In an @reboot cronjob run by root? 'man 5 sysctl.conf' 'man sysctl' |
| 18:05.37 | lunitik | valdyn: its not THAT big of a deal... although it would be nice to figure out how to make Firefox on Linux use smaller fonts for headers or whatever.. |
| 18:05.47 | lunitik | valdyn: haha... how so? |
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| 18:05.54 | valdyn | beardy: that would be silly when there is /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 18:05.59 | beardy | RichiH: Or a script, run by root's cronjob, if you want to echo instead. |
| 18:06.17 | pandamonium | lunitik, View > Text Size > Decrease or something |
| 18:06.24 | valdyn | lunitik: because it depends on specific non-free fonts? |
| 18:06.25 | beardy | valdyn: I don't/didn't know it was run at boot. Is it? |
| 18:06.32 | valdyn | beardy: read at boot sure |
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| 18:06.37 | lunitik | valdyn: I don't have THAT much control over the content... so not much I can do... but would be nice to see what I can do wrt making it more correct |
| 18:06.47 | beardy | valdyn: If yes, then it's silly yes. |
| 18:06.59 | valdyn | lunitik: apt-get install msttcorefonts, configure firefox to use arial / times / courier new |
| 18:07.01 | Crell | davidh: Well that has nothing to do with your kernel... Is this sarge? |
| 18:07.06 | beardy | Then he can just edit sysctl.conf then. |
| 18:07.12 | valdyn | lunitik: err s/times/times new roman/ |
| 18:07.30 | jelly-ho | lunitik: font renderer isn't the same. Also, X mostly knows the physical size and dpi of your display, while windows fonts are always rendered at 96dpi (or 120dpi if you chose "large fonts"). |
| 18:07.41 | davidh | Crell: I obtain the source 2.4.27 by `apt-get install kernel source` |
| 18:07.43 | RichiH | beardy: i will see if there is an entry in /proc/sys, too |
| 18:07.49 | valdyn | lunitik: or maybe just permitting sites to use fonts of _their_ choice is enough when msttcorefonts is installed |
| 18:08.02 | valdyn | lunitik: that is the default iirc |
| 18:08.13 | jelly-ho | lunitik: so even if you use the very same fonts, the pages might not turn out identical |
| 18:08.13 | davidh | Crell: I am running debian sarge version to obtain the source |
| 18:08.20 | redloff | how can I change etherhet card irq? there are no parameters available for nvnet module.. I've heard it can be done with some app, do you know any by the chance? |
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| 18:09.02 | lunitik | valdyn: trying the msttcorefonts thing... I really like using ttf-dejavu though :'( |
| 18:09.02 | valdyn | redloff: why dont you use the forcedeth module? |
| 18:09.09 | Crell | Do you want to upgrade the kernel from vanilla sources, or just recompile it to change settings? |
| 18:09.19 | lunitik | valdyn: thank you anyways though :) |
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| 18:09.32 | redloff | valdyn, because there's the same problem :/ |
| 18:09.36 | davidh | Crell: also obtain the kernel-packge utility to run compile and install |
| 18:09.40 | BSDinux | would there be any performance issues if i'd install / on a compact flash on ide? should swap preferrably be on a standard hd though? |
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| 18:09.42 | RichiH | nope, /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/press_to_select has no equivalent :/ |
| 18:09.43 | nkuttler | redloff: maybe it came with the card and needs windows (dos) |
| 18:09.46 | valdyn | redloff: uname -r |
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| 18:09.57 | valdyn | nkuttler: hardly a pci card |
| 18:10.02 | redloff | valdyn, 2.6.16.18 |
| 18:10.08 | valdyn | redloff: use a different kernel |
| 18:10.13 | redloff | it's integrated |
| 18:10.30 | lunitik | redloff: I don't think you mean .18 |
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| 18:10.36 | redloff | valdyn, I did... 2.6.12-9 and 2.6.12-10 delivered with ubuntu bb |
| 18:10.38 | davidh | some how my apmd is not running properly, cannot power down; power remain on |
| 18:10.51 | lunitik | redloff: this isn't #ubuntu |
| 18:11.00 | lunitik | redloff: ask them about their kernel |
| 18:11.04 | redloff | lunitik, I know, thx for suggestion |
| 18:11.16 | davidh | even after kernel recompilation with apm turned on |
| 18:11.17 | redloff | I don't use ubuntu, I just say I checked it with other kernels |
| 18:11.27 | Crell | davidh: Yes... but do you want the 2.6.8 kernel that sarge ships with, or 2.6.16.x, or whatever's the latest stable from kernel.org? |
| 18:11.48 | redloff | valdyn, I mean 2.6.16.18, why? |
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| 18:12.01 | valdyn | redloff: wrong target? |
| 18:12.12 | lunitik | redloff: 2.6.16-18 |
| 18:12.33 | redloff | oh man.. |
| 18:12.36 | valdyn | redloff: if it _really_ works with no kernel, then chances are not to bad that this is a bios/firmware bug, check your mainboard vendor's website for an update |
| 18:12.50 | davidh | Crell: This is kernel tar ball I obtain from `apt-get install kernel-source` and the version whatever comes with the commmand |
| 18:13.05 | redloff | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.16.18.tar.bz2 |
| 18:13.29 | finn_ | where do I get a /dev/loop ? |
| 18:13.35 | davidh | Crell: I am not undrestanding why 2.4.27 would not work |
| 18:13.40 | redloff | valdyn, why shouldn't I try to change it with some soft? |
| 18:13.56 | valdyn | RichiH: i usually use a modified /etc/init.d/skeleton for something like that |
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| 18:14.08 | valdyn | RichiH: ( where there really is no good place ) |
| 18:14.13 | valdyn | RichiH: but many things work |
| 18:14.16 | RichiH | valdyn: heh |
| 18:14.23 | Crell | Oh, you're on 2.4??? Hm. I've not touched that in a long time. |
| 18:14.31 | davidh | Crell: moreever, I don't want to just compile some generic kernel from kernel.org because it does not include some debian specfic packages |
| 18:14.44 | RichiH | valdyn: yah, linux really lacks some mechanism to put stuff into random places of /proc and /sys |
| 18:14.44 | Crell | Honestly that's never been a problem for me. -) |
| 18:14.47 | adamant1988 | ok, I want to add multimedia support to my laptop using debian sarge. Are there certain repositories that I need to have added? |
| 18:14.48 | kacper | Is there any way to allow to scroll ttys even after switching to another one (as in BSD) ? |
| 18:15.02 | davidh | Crell: ??? |
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| 18:15.49 | valdyn | RichiH: like: /etc/init.d/ibm-wireless-disable |
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| 18:16.15 | Crell | davidh: I've been running kernel.org kernels for 3 years on this computer, and it's never been a problem. |
| 18:16.24 | beardy | RichiH: Well, it's a distribution thing, not linux. And most people don't have to do it, and if they do, they know how. But yes, there should be some documentation/recommendation/script to make it easier/nicer. |
| 18:16.30 | RichiH | valdyn: that is what i will write soon, too |
| 18:16.34 | Crell | I actually recommend it for sarge if you're using 2.6, because the stock 2.6.8 that sarge ships with is a broken piece of crap. :-) |
| 18:16.36 | kacper | Is there any way to allow to scroll ttys even after switching to another one (as in BSD) ? |
| 18:16.47 | valdyn | adamant1988: tell us what you really want, 'multimedia' is a meaningless marketdroid word =/ |
| 18:16.52 | RichiH | valdyn: the access ibm button is perfect for that |
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| 18:17.15 | adamant1988 | uhm, to the point Mp3, and online video... quicktime and WMA(if possible) |
| 18:17.21 | RichiH | beardy: above all, the same on all boxen! |
| 18:17.26 | davidh | Crell: Good to hear that. I guess that I am very clear if you are also install some debian packages after installing generic kernel? |
| 18:17.29 | beardy | RichiH: Yeah. |
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| 18:17.41 | RichiH | beardy: without a common procedure, everone bakes his own |
| 18:17.43 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 18:17.43 | dpkg | methinks marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 18:17.45 | adamant1988 | oh and flash, definitely flash |
| 18:17.49 | beardy | RichiH: Indeed. |
| 18:18.02 | valdyn | adamant1988: you need just the marillat repository, see above what dpkg said |
| 18:18.09 | valdyn | adamant1988: flash is already in debian |
| 18:18.09 | adamant1988 | ok :) |
| 18:18.13 | adamant1988 | is it really? |
| 18:18.15 | davidh | Crell: If you just rebuild a generic kernel and run it, that gets nothing to do with debian at all. Right? |
| 18:18.16 | RichiH | thus making debuggin for others way more complicated |
| 18:18.18 | adamant1988 | I want to try playing a game then |
| 18:18.47 | valdyn | adamant1988: 'flashplugin-nonfree', in non-free |
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| 18:19.05 | Crell | davidh: Well, only kinda. kernel-package lets you build your custom kernel into a .deb file that you can install with dpkg. |
| 18:19.22 | davidh | Crell: I have rebuilt 2.4 and 2.6 kernels under REDHAT ES 3.0 and everything works fine |
| 18:19.55 | Crell | Of course, some user-space packages are version-dependent. I've been running Sid for years, so stuff tracks fairly closely. I don't know if a 2.6.16 kernel would cause issues for the user-space deamons in Sarge. |
| 18:20.20 | valdyn | Crell: not for daemons but for various tools |
| 18:20.38 | beardy | davidh: If you use kernel.org sources, Debian's patches are of course not applied, for better or worse, in your case. Your choice. But you can, and in my opinion shoud, for your convenience still use make-kpkg. |
| 18:20.52 | beardy | s/shoud/should |
| 18:20.59 | Crell | I mean things like HAL or dbus or pmount. |
| 18:21.08 | beardy | davidh: /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:21.15 | Crell | Device handling in 2.6 has changed several times, much to my dismay. :-/ |
| 18:21.15 | davidh | Crell: To understand a little better, would you please help me what you did. |
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| 18:21.47 | beardy | davidh: (what are you trying to do?) |
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| 18:22.38 | petn-randall | yeah, I remember there was a time that up-to-date kernels didn't work with sarge because of udev |
| 18:22.43 | davidh | Crell: First you install debian sarge. Then you download kernel 2.4.16 from kernel.org and download kernel-package and install it. Then you use kernel-package utility to compile and install the kernel. |
| 18:22.52 | davidh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:23.20 | beardy | !tell davidh -about kp |
| 18:23.28 | davidh | beardy: I am runing debian sarge from netinstall CD. Now I need to recomile the kernel |
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| 18:23.57 | cyzie | hwo to view postscript file? |
| 18:23.58 | Crell | davidh: You forgot the "make menuconfig" step, but otherwise yes. I do that every few months. As I said, though, this box has been running Sid, not sarge, for years. |
| 18:24.05 | davidh | beardy: So I run the command `apt-get install kernel-source kernel-package` |
| 18:24.07 | Crell | davidh: What is your reason for recompiling? |
| 18:24.10 | adamant1988 | ok I just plugged in an external harddrive how do I get to it? |
| 18:24.24 | beardy | davidh: Answer Crell please. |
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| 18:24.33 | adamant1988 | there's no icon on my desktop for it or anything. |
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| 18:25.12 | beardy | cyzie: Any pdf viewer? |
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| 18:25.39 | spacysp1ff | hello there |
| 18:25.40 | davidh | beardy: Then I use kernel-package utility to recomoile the kernel and install it. I am able to boot it up, but only to comman prompt, not able to start GNOME. The compain is that XFReee86 is modified by debian and is not supported by XFree86 project. SO I am not able to start X Windows |
| 18:25.53 | spacysp1ff | is the is a client for linux similar to emule |
| 18:26.01 | beardy | davidh: Why do you need to compile your own kernel? |
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| 18:26.22 | nwonknu- | /topic \ |
| 18:26.24 | cyzie | beardy, cant open |
| 18:26.33 | davidh | Crell: Sorry I can answer one question at a time. Because my power-down is not working properly and I have recompile the kernel to enable apm |
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| 18:26.42 | lunitik | spacysp1ff: apollon is better... but apt-cache search mule |
| 18:26.43 | beardy | cyzie: ghostview, or if the name is kghostview? |
| 18:26.57 | beardy | !+find ps2pdf |
| 18:26.59 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:27.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ps2pdf' (5 of 8): (/usr/share/rubber/rubber/rules/latex/ps2pdf.py) in tex/rubber ;; (/usr/share/inkscape/extensions/ps2pdf.sh) in graphics/inkscape ;; (/usr/bin/{ps2pdf|ps2pdf12|ps2pdf13|...}) in text/gs-common ;; (/usr/share/apps/kile/icons/hicolor/22x22/actions/ps2pdf.png) in tex/kile ;; (/usr/share/doc/texmf/help/Catalogue/entries/eps2pdf.html) in doc/tetex-doc. |
| 18:27.10 | Crell | OK then. I am no expert on apm, as I don't use it. (My system doesn't actually power down when I shut it down; I have to hit the power button.) |
| 18:27.26 | lunitik | spacysp1ff: xmule and amule are your choices... although apollon can do FastTrack (Kazaa) AND Gnutella (Limewire) |
| 18:27.30 | Crell | davidh: Run this: uname -a |
| 18:27.32 | sada | !+find tty1 |
| 18:27.34 | Crell | What's your kernel version? |
| 18:27.34 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:27.41 | jelly-ho | s/doesn't/wouldn't have/ |
| 18:27.41 | spacysp1ff | nice! cheers guys |
| 18:27.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tty1' (1): (/usr/src/ecos/packages/io/serial/v2_0/tests/tty1.c) in devel/ecos. |
| 18:27.44 | petn-randall | spacysp1ff: mldonkey works great, too |
| 18:27.46 | beardy | sada: Stop that. |
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| 18:27.55 | spacysp1ff | ok. i wanted to download some ebooks |
| 18:28.02 | lunitik | petn-randall: you haven't tried giFT huh? |
| 18:28.11 | spacysp1ff | i guess any client which connects to the most networks would be great |
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| 18:28.15 | beardy | cyzie: Install gs-common, and convert it to pdf using ps2pdf, if nothing else works |
| 18:28.15 | petn-randall | lunitik: nope |
| 18:28.24 | davidh | Crell: open a flood |
| 18:28.24 | lunitik | petn-randall: try it... its great |
| 18:28.33 | Crell | It should just be one line. |
| 18:28.35 | jelly-ho | spacysp1ff: I heard of mldonkey but haven't used it. |
| 18:28.49 | davidh | Crell: 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 18:28.58 | spacysp1ff | jelly, : Cheers, so what's the vote then |
| 18:29.04 | lunitik | spacysp1ff: you have to get the fasttrack plugin externally... but its a debian package... google for 'fasttrack gift deb' should be first hit |
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| 18:29.26 | davidh | Crell: Linux GIANTPANDA 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:29.30 | cyzie | beardy, okay, i try |
| 18:29.31 | petn-randall | spacysp1ff: I've used mldonkey for quite some time ... it's great if you have a router running 24/7 and have clients that connect to it |
| 18:29.34 | pollywog | would it be okay to ask a Postfix question here? |
| 18:29.48 | Crell | pollywog: NO! Now ask it. :-) |
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| 18:29.53 | spacysp1ff | petn-randall, yea i do have that. i have this feeling that mldonkey would be nice. |
| 18:30.01 | simonrvn | #postfix would be even better |
| 18:30.05 | spacysp1ff | i just got though my yahoo account getting hacked |
| 18:30.07 | beardy | cyzie: The GIMP can read postscript, IIRC. But perhaps not that convenient. also try 'apt-cache search "postscript viewer"' |
| 18:30.16 | pollywog | I will look for a Postfix channel |
| 18:30.18 | lunitik | spacysp1ff: meh... http://gift-fasttrack.berlios.de/ ... mid way down says "debian packages"... |
| 18:30.19 | spacysp1ff | i am just so paranoid now i moved to linux at home as ell |
| 18:30.19 | Crell | Well, recompiling your kernel shouldn't affect X, unless you left out a module. |
| 18:30.19 | pollywog | tnx |
| 18:30.29 | spacysp1ff | cheers lunitik |
| 18:30.49 | cyzie | beardy, thanks, ps2pdf thanks for yoru guide |
| 18:30.59 | repp | I'm setting up a new server and don't know which of the two ethernet interfaces on the machine will end up as eth0 and eth1. Does anyone know with 100% certainty how Debian will choose? |
| 18:31.09 | beardy | cyzie: You're welcome. |
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| 18:31.26 | Crell | davidh: Pastebin the error you get when you run "startx". |
| 18:32.08 | beetlepun_ | repp, use alias in the module conf file |
| 18:32.14 | beardy | !+info kghostview sarge |
| 18:32.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:32.18 | dpkg | kghostview: (PostScript viewer for KDE), section graphics, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-2sarge4 (sarge), Packaged size: 222 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
| 18:32.26 | beardy | cyzie: ^^^^ |
| 18:32.34 | davidh | Crell: Now I am running the kernel image downloaded from installation. Not the one I built last night |
| 18:32.56 | cyzie | beardy, hehee..i dont use kde :P i use xfce |
| 18:32.57 | davidh | Crell: Do you still want me to run the startx |
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| 18:33.04 | cyzie | beardy, kde too heavy and bulky |
| 18:33.06 | Crell | Ah, does it work properly? |
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| 18:33.22 | jelly-ho | spacysp1ff: I have not needed multi-network p2p clients, using azureus for torrents and an old version of xnap for opennap. I wouldn't recommend the latter. |
| 18:33.26 | beardy | cyzie: You can still run kde programs, but you have to install a lot of libraries I guess, but it works fine in any window manager. |
| 18:33.40 | spacysp1ff | yea i am going ahead with mlnet |
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| 18:33.44 | beardy | cyzie: yeah, but some programs are still nice |
| 18:33.51 | spacysp1ff | just looking into the the commands to see how it works |
| 18:33.55 | simonrvn | /nick SpaceManSpiff |
| 18:34.09 | spacysp1ff | simonrvn, :) |
| 18:34.17 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:34.20 | davidh | beardy: What is $GET_ROOT? |
| 18:34.23 | jelly-ho | !nickometer spacysp1ff |
| 18:34.24 | dpkg | 'spacysp1ff' is 22.000% lame, jelly-ho |
| 18:34.28 | davidh | in the README |
| 18:34.35 | repp | beetlepun_: Ok, so there's no deterministic order unless explicitly set, is that right? |
| 18:34.37 | spacysp1ff | lol |
| 18:34.38 | beardy | davidh: In what context, where? |
| 18:34.45 | beardy | davidh: Which readme? |
| 18:34.50 | spacysp1ff | jelly-ho, what's withthe nick-o-meter |
| 18:35.02 | davidh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.13 | petn-randall | davidh: you will have to set it to something like fakeroot |
| 18:36.02 | beardy | davidh: Just follow what dpkg told you, about kp. And you still haven't asnwered why you need to compile your own kernel, if you did I missed it, please say it again. |
| 18:36.05 | davidh | petn-randall: What is fakeroot, sorry for my ignorance |
| 18:36.15 | beardy | !fakeroot |
| 18:36.15 | dpkg | methinks fakeroot is a program that provides fake root environment, or a glorious hack that enables you to be root without actually being root. Usefull for creating tarballs with setuid 0 files in them. |
| 18:36.20 | jelly-ho | spacysp1ff: numbers and funny (eleet or h@x0r) characters are used to determine the number. /msg dpkg nickometer J311Y-|-|0|\/|3 |
| 18:36.35 | spacysp1ff | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:36.52 | davidh | beardy: I recompile it so that I could enable power management mode (APM) for autically power down |
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| 18:37.38 | beardy | cyzie: There most likely are more postscript viewers, that aren't made for kde, but you can search for them yourself. |
| 18:37.39 | davidh | beardy: How do I install fakeroot? |
| 18:37.47 | Apage43 | Wow |
| 18:37.51 | jelly-ho | davidh: not that sarge's default kernel is something not to be missed, but why couldn't you use that? |
| 18:37.51 | simonrvn | the usual way |
| 18:37.52 | davidh | Crell: ??? |
| 18:37.56 | Apage43 | I haven't used CDs to install debian in a WHILE |
| 18:38.01 | Apage43 | Do I need all 16? D: |
| 18:38.04 | Crell | fakeroot? Why do you need that to run X? |
| 18:38.05 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:38.05 | cyzie | beardy, okay . ;) gimp and ps2pdf works jsut fine. thanks for wonderful helps |
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| 18:38.13 | simonrvn | Apage43: no |
| 18:38.26 | simonrvn | davidh: the usual way |
| 18:38.27 | deadcat | simonrvn: i built the 1.2.4 slim... it seems like now when i /etc/init.d/slim restart it actually works.. |
| 18:38.34 | simonrvn | oooh |
| 18:38.38 | davidh | jelly-ho: I have been struggling several days to power down. But power remain on |
| 18:38.40 | somedude | apage how can iinstall debian without cds |
| 18:38.45 | somedude | i have no burner or floppy on this box |
| 18:38.49 | somedude | but i wanna install debian |
| 18:38.54 | deadcat | somedude: debootstrap |
| 18:38.55 | simonrvn | !rube goldberg install |
| 18:38.55 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 18:38.56 | somedude | oh ya it has a pppoe internet link |
| 18:38.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | how could i force my debian pc to get an new dhcp number? |
| 18:39.01 | davidh | I have unplug the power cable every time I want to shutdown my machine |
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| 18:39.07 | somedude | can debootstrap use pppoe |
| 18:39.15 | beardy | davidh: ? Just hit the power button or jank the cable? After running 'halt', that is. |
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| 18:39.20 | deadcat | DJ-Marcuzz: dhclient dont work? |
| 18:39.37 | simonrvn | somedude: try reading the manual first to see what it does, or apt-cache show debootstrap |
| 18:39.44 | cyzie | beardy, not sure if u encounter this. when u check a groups of files using cksfv, then it reported got corrupted file. say file 22. then when u redownload the file again and cksfv the sfv fiel again, again it report the error. anyone have this expericence before? |
| 18:39.44 | beardy | somedude: Do you have a reader? |
| 18:39.45 | DJ-Marcuzz | i don't know the command, but it should release it curent numer and get a new one |
| 18:39.50 | beardy | !tell somedude -about ig |
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| 18:40.15 | davidh | still I dont know how to install fakeroot |
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| 18:40.20 | beardy | cyzie: Please use "you" instead of "u". |
| 18:40.27 | petn-randall | davidh: It's a bug with the kernels > 2.6.13 ... I built a patch from the older versions and I can power down with this |
| 18:40.29 | cyzie | beardy, okay. you |
| 18:40.42 | simonrvn | davidh: man apt-get |
| 18:40.43 | pollywog | apt-get install fakeroot |
| 18:40.54 | beardy | davidh: Still you haven't told us why you have to compile tour own kernel? |
| 18:40.59 | cyzie | beardy, not sure if you encounter this. when you check a groups of files using cksfv, then it reported got corrupted file. say file 22. then when you redownload the file again and cksfv the sfv fiel again, again it report the error. anyone have this expericence before? |
| 18:41.04 | RobNyc | anyone knows the pci command i gotta do to update my stuff, so when i do /video with the sysinfo script my video card name shows up ? |
| 18:41.14 | davidh | beardy: I have answered the aquestions three time |
| 18:41.42 | pollywog | I have had to compile custom kernels many times but module-assistant now makes it not necessary :) |
| 18:42.06 | jelly-ho | beardy: It's nicer if the computer automatically powered down, what with the fancy new ATX power supplies and all. |
| 18:42.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:42.19 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:42.22 | davidh | petn-randall: I am running kernel 2.4.27. Does the bug still exist |
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| 18:42.41 | beardy | davidh: Ah, there it was, saw it. Sorry. |
| 18:42.44 | davidh | simonrvn: Thanks fakeroot installed |
| 18:43.08 | pollywog | beardy: I think a lot of stuff gets compiled into the stock kernels that we do not need; wouldn't leaving this stuff out speed up the machine as it boots? |
| 18:43.10 | beardy | jelly-ho: Yeah. |
| 18:43.18 | davidh | beardy: I am not able to shut the power off so I need to enable apm in the kernel to recompile it |
| 18:43.29 | petn-randall | davidh: eh, I'm not a kernel hacker ... you should be able to answer the question yourself ... |
| 18:43.30 | beardy | davidh: I see. |
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| 18:44.02 | beardy | pollywog: Doesn't make much difference, if any, only the modules you need to load, are loaded. |
| 18:44.11 | pollywog | I wonder why the Debian developers chose to install AppleTalk by default |
| 18:44.18 | pollywog | beardy: oic |
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| 18:44.28 | pollywog | netatalk |
| 18:44.29 | ramonborges09059 | vgvfb |
| 18:44.32 | ramonborges09059 | f |
| 18:44.33 | ramonborges09059 | tg |
| 18:44.35 | ramonborges09059 | r |
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| 18:44.36 | petn-randall | pollywog: It boots faster because you don't have to pull in alle the ramdisk ... and there is a (small) performance gain in compiling own kernels |
| 18:44.37 | ramonborges09059 | r |
| 18:44.39 | ramonborges09059 | r |
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| 18:44.41 | ramonborges09059 | r |
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| 18:44.45 | davidh | beardy: So the README file says `$GETROOT dpkg..` I should replace $GET_ROOT with fakeroot? Could you please clarify? |
| 18:44.51 | azeem | ramonborges09059: please write proper english |
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| 18:45.24 | petn-randall | davidh: yes, replace it with fakeroot |
| 18:45.28 | beardy | pollywog: It may be a bit more slim, since it becomes smaller, you are free to copile your own kernel and make it "slimmer" but it's not being helped with here, unless you have a real reason to compile your own kernel. |
| 18:45.41 | pollywog | beardy: k |
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| 18:45.58 | beardy | (not by me aleast) |
| 18:46.22 | davidh | beardy: You mentioned kp command, but that is not mentioned in README. WOuld you clarify? |
| 18:46.26 | pollywog | I had to compile kernels when I used Win4Lin but I moved to vmware |
| 18:46.41 | beardy | davidh: Please paste a few more words from that $GET_ROOT line. |
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| 18:46.54 | beardy | davidh: I don't have it here. |
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| 18:47.34 | nwonknu- | does anyone happen to know any books or resources that explain the whole linux foundation and not just how to perform certain tasks. I wanna know where things are what things are for etc etc. |
| 18:47.43 | davidh | beardy: $Get_Root make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
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| 18:48.05 | davidh | petn-randall: Do I need --revision=custom.1.0? |
| 18:48.24 | beardy | davidh: It means you should replace $Get_root with the command fakeroot, or be root, but use fakeroot. |
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| 18:48.50 | petn-randall | davidh: please man make-kpkg, --revision sets your personal revision |
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| 18:49.35 | davidh | petn-randall: I know that. But when I compile my 2.4.27, do I need to include the option? SOmeone told me not to include the revision option |
| 18:50.02 | beardy | davidh: You don't have to do that no. |
| 18:50.12 | davidh | beardy: If I log a root, do I need to have fakeroot in front of the command |
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| 18:50.27 | abrotman | eh .. he tried apm and acpi? both 2.4 adn 2.6? |
| 18:50.29 | davidh | If I log as root, do I need to have fakeroot in front of the command |
| 18:50.38 | abrotman | !tell davidh about kp |
| 18:50.42 | pollywog | davidh: no |
| 18:50.46 | abrotman | !tell davidh about kp mantra |
| 18:50.51 | beardy | davidh: No, fakeroot is used so you don't have to be root. |
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| 18:51.58 | davidh | beardy: I mean, if I log as root, do I still to have fakeroot in front of the command? |
| 18:52.10 | nwonknu- | my keboard appears to be configured as american instead of uk. How can i change it |
| 18:52.10 | petn-randall | davidh: Maybe you should read a good how-to ? |
| 18:52.15 | davidh | pollywog, no what? |
| 18:52.33 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 18:52.33 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 18:52.38 | davidh | petn-randall: Would you please point me to good how-to to read? |
| 18:52.45 | abrotman | i already did |
| 18:52.46 | pollywog | davidh: sorry, I meant that you do not use fakeroot if you log in as root |
| 18:52.54 | abrotman | dpkg: get my water |
| 18:52.57 | pollywog | should have written a complete sentence |
| 18:53.18 | petn-randall | !tell davidh about google |
| 18:53.28 | abrotman | !kp |
| 18:53.28 | dpkg | methinks kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev"and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 18:54.09 | davidh | Thanks all for good help. But the README doc does not mention kp command. What is for? |
| 18:54.52 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 18:54.59 | petn-randall | kp=kernel-package |
| 18:55.28 | petn-randall | I am pretty sure the debian manifesto explains it exhaustivly |
| 18:56.33 | abrotman | dpkg: reading is hard .. let's go shopping! |
| 18:56.34 | dpkg | ...but reading is already something else... |
| 18:56.58 | davidh | Sorry, maybe let me tell you problem so you may help me better. Actually I recompiled the kernel last night by using kernel-packag utility, like make-kpkg. Everything compiling and I am able to boot into command prompt. The only problem is to start GNOME. THe complain is that XFree86 is modified by debian and not supported by XFree86. It attempted about three times and then it show the message |
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| 18:57.24 | abrotman | you're doing all this because you machine won't power itself off? |
| 18:57.29 | davidh | petn-randall; Yes, get it. I just don't know the abbreviation |
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| 18:59.31 | davidh | abrotman: Yes. Everytime I power down, at the bottom of the screen, it say `power down`, then next thing I have to unplug the power cable. It is very anonying |
| 18:59.42 | abrotman | tried holding the power button in ? |
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| 18:59.51 | abrotman | have you tried apm and acpi .. and 2.4 and 2.6? |
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| 19:00.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have a problem, i installed cups and samba and such, and i added my laserjet in cups, but nothing shows up in the samba share, the smaba config is mostly standart, but i turned off home folder sharing and set the server to share inseatd of user |
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| 19:00.27 | davidh | abrotman: 2.4. I have tried many possible alternatives |
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| 19:00.37 | deadcat | is it me or with a 2.6.16 kernel, i cant seem to ctrl+alt+fN to switch to console. |
| 19:00.40 | abrotman | does it use apm or acpi ? |
| 19:00.44 | deadcat | x86 and ppc |
| 19:00.45 | davidh | apm |
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| 19:00.48 | Agentj87 | anyone know much bout torrentflux? |
| 19:00.56 | jelly-ho | deadcat: it's you |
| 19:01.02 | deadcat | damn |
| 19:01.12 | davidh | any one can help with my XFree86 problem? |
| 19:01.19 | jelly-ho | deadcat: unless you're talking about a specific package. |
| 19:01.24 | abrotman | davidh: in my experience ... almost no manufacturer implemented the APM spec correctly |
| 19:01.40 | pollywog | deadcat: are you using NVidia drivers? |
| 19:01.44 | deadcat | jelly-ho: i am not sure |
| 19:01.47 | deadcat | pollywog: ya |
| 19:01.55 | davidh | abrotman: actually I am ble to power down from REDHAT ES 3.0 from the same machine |
| 19:01.59 | jelly-ho | deadcat: which I don't have, but I do have kernel.org's genuine 2.6.16.16 (accept no imitations) |
| 19:02.11 | abrotman | davidh: but IIRC .. RHES3 doesn't use a 2.4 kernel |
| 19:02.15 | deadcat | jelly-ho: me too. mine is 2.6.16.18 |
| 19:02.21 | abrotman | not by default anyways |
| 19:02.24 | davidh | abrotman: Yes 2.4 |
| 19:02.28 | pollywog | deadcat: I had that problem a few times until I made my own driver debs |
| 19:02.33 | pollywog | for nvidia |
| 19:02.40 | carlos | hi all, im trying to install xorg libs so i can compile superkaramba on my debian, does anyone knows where can i find these libs? |
| 19:02.40 | pollywog | rather than the stock ones |
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| 19:02.47 | davidh | abrotman: ES4.0 use 2.6 |
| 19:02.57 | abrotman | davidh: i suppose you could get the src-rpm for thier kernel .. and build it on a debian box |
| 19:02.59 | deadcat | pollywog: made your own? |
| 19:03.20 | Agentj87 | anyone know much bout torrentflux?? |
| 19:03.23 | pollywog | deadcat: yes, using debian sources |
| 19:03.24 | davidh | abrotman: Yes has been done |
| 19:03.24 | deadcat | pollywog: i have a custom kernel so i did build nvidia from the source into .deb |
| 19:03.29 | pollywog | oic |
| 19:03.34 | jelly-ho | deadcat: (checks) hmm. mine is 2.6.16.17 + ck's patch. So maybe it's really kernel's fault. ;-) |
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| 19:03.58 | abrotman | davidh: can't you just hold in the power button like everyone else with a crappy APM implementation? :) |
| 19:04.07 | pollywog | deadcat: a few times going to older or newer version of Nvidia drivers fixed it |
| 19:04.44 | pollywog | deadcat: I had the problem only with LCD monitors though |
| 19:04.47 | pollywog | IIRC |
| 19:05.06 | deadcat | pollywog: hmm. i have 2 lcd right now.. |
| 19:05.18 | deadcat | weird. |
| 19:05.24 | pollywog | try a CRT monitor if you have one |
| 19:05.28 | deadcat | nope |
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| 19:05.38 | deadcat | linux is just getting stranger every week |
| 19:05.50 | jelly-ho | abrotman: I think the thing doesn't power off unless apn is turned on (or possibly the "use apm to power off" thing, CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF is on) |
| 19:05.53 | abrotman | deadcat: maybe it's just more #debian |
| 19:05.56 | pollywog | deadcat: it gets strange if you run testing or sid |
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| 19:06.21 | abrotman | jelly-ho: tis possible .. i gave up on APM a long time ago .. it was far too frustrating |
| 19:06.21 | deadcat | pollywog: no. i've been running sid for years. just recently.. |
| 19:06.27 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Stop slacking you lazy bum!! |
| 19:06.38 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: go grill you lazy ass! |
| 19:06.48 | lunitik | deadcat: whats getting strange? |
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| 19:06.55 | lunitik | deadcat: I missed something :( |
| 19:06.58 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Not today. ... Sadly enough. |
| 19:06.58 | abrotman | the lack of apostrophes? |
| 19:07.10 | abrotman | scarface: eh ... it's a day off work! |
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| 19:07.19 | deadcat | lunitik: linux. especially fucking udev fucking things up. and some kernel stuff just wtf. |
| 19:07.24 | arooni | is xml-rpc easier/not easier to use than soap? |
| 19:07.27 | nsanity | is there a way I can get a sources.list for amd64? none of the ones I find online work |
| 19:07.30 | jelly-ho | abrotman: I've have mixed luck w/ apm and acpi on an older notebook. Some things worked in 2.4 with apm (bios hibernation), some things worked in 2.6+acpi. |
| 19:07.33 | lunitik | It ought to use Kaffeine these days damnit! |
| 19:07.37 | abrotman | arooni: wrong channel ? |
| 19:07.49 | abrotman | jelly-ho: it all sucks! |
| 19:08.06 | abrotman | nsanity: which version of debian ? |
| 19:08.13 | deadcat | jelly-ho: my ibook sleeps without problem |
| 19:08.15 | pollywog | deadcat: I have had some problems with udev today at least in my logs, but nothing really seems broken |
| 19:08.22 | jelly-ho | abrotman: yes, but I'm used to it. Else I would switch to Windoze. |
| 19:08.22 | nsanity | sarge on amd64 |
| 19:08.33 | abrotman | nsanity: afaik .. there are like two sources .. |
| 19:08.33 | arooni | abrotman: where would you reccomend |
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| 19:08.37 | lunitik | deadcat: haha... Morton and Linus are saying they need to finally start cleaning things up... we are finally realizing why there was a 2.3 and 2.5 series I guess |
| 19:08.41 | abrotman | arooni: what programming language? |
| 19:08.44 | deadcat | assuming sleep is the same as hybernate and suspend.. which i dont know what they mean. all i know is it goes dark |
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| 19:08.52 | jelly-ho | deadcat: you are a lucky guy with stable hardware (and decent support). |
| 19:09.09 | nsanity | abrotman: it's weird because most of the source information I find is incomplete... would it be better to do a netinst of etch instead of using sarge? |
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| 19:09.17 | abrotman | nsanity: http://amd64.debian.net/docs/release-notes/ |
| 19:09.21 | lunitik | jelly-ho: no... he just knows how to fix things that break |
| 19:09.27 | deadcat | lunitik: they should the kernel has too much craps.. some day it will be 1gig in size |
| 19:09.39 | abrotman | deadcat: you mean it might catch emacs? |
| 19:09.43 | Sn3lh3st | anyone here that can help me? |
| 19:09.49 | abrotman | !ask |
| 19:09.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:10.00 | deadcat | jelly-ho: ya. (=.. but the kernel panic'ing on me after compiling the 2.6.16.18 because FUCKING udev was bitching at my 2.6.14 )= |
| 19:10.07 | Sn3lh3st | im getting a strange error when im trying to install debian from the netinstl cd |
| 19:10.08 | lunitik | deadcat: thats somewhat needed due to so many arch's |
| 19:10.08 | Sn3lh3st | "debootstrap error couldnt download console-data" |
| 19:10.09 | deadcat | abrotman: i doubt that (= |
| 19:10.11 | jelly-ho | lunitik: note that he didn't say "I fixed it", but " sleeps without problem" ie. "just works" |
| 19:10.19 | lunitik | deadcat: not to mention drivers etc... |
| 19:10.22 | deadcat | lunitik: i guess |
| 19:10.22 | abrotman | Sn3lh3st: try another mirror |
| 19:10.33 | Sn3lh3st | i did |
| 19:10.35 | deadcat | Sn3lh3st: works here. |
| 19:10.40 | deadcat | just wait few seconds |
| 19:10.42 | abrotman | what was the name of the image you used? |
| 19:10.43 | Sn3lh3st | the cd works fine on 3other computers |
| 19:10.43 | lunitik | deadcat: most self compiled kernels are still tiny, so whatever |
| 19:11.10 | abrotman | Sn3lh3st: could be a hardware issue |
| 19:11.18 | deadcat | lunitik: you mean the vmlinuz-blah right? 1.4M ok? |
| 19:11.19 | Sn3lh3st | yea looks that way |
| 19:11.28 | Sn3lh3st | abrotman: know any good testing program? |
| 19:12.08 | nsanity | abrotman: hmmm not really telling me much |
| 19:12.15 | lunitik | deadcat: mines 1.1m... ew... I need to compile one of my own though :/ |
| 19:12.26 | lunitik | deadcat: new install.... |
| 19:12.41 | abrotman | nsanity: the release notes? |
| 19:12.48 | abrotman | nsanity: paste your sources somewhere |
| 19:12.51 | deadcat | lunitik: wow. i guess mine is bigger than the one that comes with the install (= |
| 19:12.56 | abrotman | Sn3lh3st: there are many .. but they can cook hardware |
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| 19:13.16 | Sn3lh3st | ok |
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| 19:13.47 | lunitik | deadcat: I always dread compiling my own... cuz it pretty much renders my system useless while compiling :( |
| 19:13.57 | lunitik | deadcat: I need a seperate box for compilation imo |
| 19:14.08 | deadcat | lunitik: ya. but for the desktop i needed a patch.. |
| 19:14.16 | deadcat | lunitik: you can use distcc |
| 19:14.28 | lunitik | deadcat: again, if I had more boxen ;) |
| 19:14.39 | deadcat | (= |
| 19:14.53 | Glanzmann | I have a cue and a mp3 file and I wonder what is the easiest way to split it up in several mp3s (I have at the moment one 100 Mbyte files) with the track informations stored in the cue file. Is that possible with mplayer or is there maybe another programm better suited for the task? |
| 19:14.58 | Glanzmann | Hello everyone; |
| 19:15.02 | lunitik | Its supposed to be a better distcc than distcc |
| 19:15.05 | deadcat | break into university and use their labs since no one use their linxu box there anyway |
| 19:15.08 | jelly-ho | lunitik: icecream? |
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| 19:15.20 | lunitik | jelly-ho: probably wrong name... icesomeshit |
| 19:16.39 | rockstar_ | Can anyone suggest a good DVD copy software? |
| 19:16.45 | abrotman | dd |
| 19:16.57 | Vasistha | Glanzmann: someone was talking about that the other day, I'll check my logs... |
| 19:16.59 | nsanity | abrotman: nevermind... hopefully netselect-apt will find one for me |
| 19:17.10 | rockstar_ | I thought there was a k9copy or something from KDE that I saw in apt once, but never used. Now it's not in any repository |
| 19:17.13 | abrotman | nsanity: did you paste your sources? |
| 19:17.17 | lunitik | jelly-ho: no I was right... http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream |
| 19:17.22 | Glanzmann | Vasistha: thank you. |
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| 19:18.14 | nsanity | abrotman: no, |
| 19:18.20 | blondie | NO |
| 19:18.25 | jetscreamer | i have to say: i 'really' like the new look for gtk. |
| 19:18.27 | abrotman | nsanity: why not? |
| 19:18.33 | abrotman | jetscreamer: in etch ? |
| 19:18.37 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 19:18.40 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:18.46 | jelly-ho | lunitik: what arch are you using that you don't have a decent machine around? |
| 19:18.47 | lunitik | jetscreamer: clearlooks? |
| 19:18.49 | pipeline | jetscreamer: what new look? |
| 19:18.59 | abrotman | something changed all my fonts .. i'm not a fonts person .. so i don't really care .. just a bit odd |
| 19:19.00 | jetscreamer | i think it's just the gtk widgets |
| 19:19.02 | nsanity | abrotman: because it was just some various google searches |
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| 19:19.07 | deadcat | yay.. we're moving to OFTC. no more connecting to 2 server for only 2 channels. |
| 19:19.08 | jetscreamer | not positive exactly what |
| 19:19.12 | lunitik | jelly-ho: I only have one boxen that I have always have access to... |
| 19:19.20 | abrotman | nsanity: you used various sources from .. google? to make your sources.list ? |
| 19:19.23 | jetscreamer | but i see the difference and it rocks |
| 19:19.25 | blondie | deadcat: yay another server to connect to x.x |
| 19:19.42 | jetscreamer | yeah and the fonts changed too |
| 19:19.48 | jetscreamer | and they rock |
| 19:19.49 | azeem | jetscreamer: did you upgrade just now? |
| 19:19.59 | deadcat | blondie: hahah.. |
| 19:19.59 | jetscreamer | azeem: yesterday iirc |
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| 19:20.07 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 19:20.09 | azeem | jetscreamer: and before that? |
| 19:20.16 | jetscreamer | but i think the look has been since last week |
| 19:20.18 | azeem | [2006-05-19] Accepted 2.2.1-2 in unstable (low) (Keith Packard) |
| 19:20.19 | lunitik | jetscreamer: something like this? http://www.stellingwerff.com/cl-cairo/clearlooks-cairo1.png |
| 19:20.28 | azeem | (freetype) |
| 19:20.42 | deadcat | lunitik: you wnat that? |
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| 19:20.47 | Vasistha | !bin-cue |
| 19:20.47 | dpkg | .bin and .cue files are part of a Golden Hawk Technology CDRWIN image. You can convert a CDRWIN image to ISO/WAV with "bchunk". You can also burn the image using cdrdao. |
| 19:20.50 | lunitik | jetscreamer: uhhh... like this rather: http://www.stellingwerff.com/clearlooks-metacity.png |
| 19:21.07 | lunitik | deadcat: I want what? clearlooks-cairo? |
| 19:21.08 | Vasistha | Glanzmann: ^^^ |
| 19:21.08 | deadcat | lunitik: i have that if you want |
| 19:21.17 | lunitik | deadcat: I use KDE... |
| 19:21.19 | jetscreamer | oh is that a theme? no i mean the widgets |
| 19:21.24 | deadcat | lunitik: oh. nevermind then |
| 19:21.28 | jetscreamer | gtk+ widgets |
| 19:21.30 | chealer9 | jetscreamer: aaah...that's why my fonts changed! yeah, I noticed it too. I can't say if I like it more |
| 19:21.45 | lunitik | jetscreamer: screenshots would explain faster... kgo |
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| 19:21.56 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 19:21.58 | deadcat | lunitik: it sure does. |
| 19:21.58 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 19:22.02 | jetscreamer | uno momento |
| 19:22.10 | jetscreamer | but i have no before's |
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| 19:22.33 | lunitik | jetscreamer: irrelivant... draw circles where its different or something if you must ;) |
| 19:22.43 | deadcat | so.. anyknow know the status on compiz and xgl on sid? |
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| 19:22.58 | Vasistha | abrotman: fyi, dd isn't really a very good dvd copying tool, because it doesn't use any of the wonderful error correction technology built into the dvd format |
| 19:23.00 | pipeline | deadcat: uhh, non-existent? |
| 19:23.02 | azeem | deadcat: unchanged |
| 19:23.03 | lunitik | deadcat: Novell can't even get it right yet... so its probably broken in Sid ;) |
| 19:23.12 | deadcat | doh |
| 19:23.13 | lunitik | Or not even there |
| 19:23.17 | azeem | I guess we'll have AIGLX before that |
| 19:23.17 | deadcat | lunitik: haha |
| 19:23.25 | abrotman | Vasistha: yeah .. but .. who needs error correction :) |
| 19:23.27 | deadcat | azeem: that would be nice |
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| 19:23.47 | Vasistha | abrotman: heh, well, why would you ever want to play that dvd in a player? you just want to make a coaster, right? :-) |
| 19:23.51 | pipeline | deadcat: if you build it all yourself, it kinda sorta works on alternate tuesdays when venus is in orion and you have the right graphics chipset :) |
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| 19:23.57 | deadcat | azeem: but the AIGLX demo really suck and not impressive at all. hope they have more than just the window moving around |
| 19:24.02 | abrotman | Vasistha: he didn't say it was a movie |
| 19:24.10 | deadcat | pipeline: i only build simple packages. |
| 19:24.10 | azeem | deadcat: it's technogoly |
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| 19:24.17 | azeem | eh, modulo the typo |
| 19:24.22 | deadcat | let me check their site |
| 19:24.28 | pipeline | deadcat: it would be very difficult to package, as it requires X11R7. |
| 19:24.34 | azeem | my point is, some crackheads will cook up nice crack for you based on AIGLX before long |
| 19:24.37 | Vasistha | abrotman: that's true! I wonder what error correction dvd defines for data |
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| 19:24.52 | azeem | pipeline: X11R7 is in unstable, by accident |
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| 19:24.54 | deadcat | pipeline: man.. nice stuff move slow |
| 19:24.59 | pipeline | azeem: I'll be damned |
| 19:25.05 | abrotman | Vasistha: 1's and 0's ? |
| 19:25.08 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:25.13 | nsanity | abrotman: because it was just some various google searches |
| 19:25.17 | azeem | of course, AIGLX needs X11R7.1 |
| 19:25.23 | lunitik | azeem: by accident? |
| 19:25.28 | Vasistha | heh |
| 19:25.30 | lunitik | azeem: that can't be good :( |
| 19:25.33 | abrotman | nsanity: ok .. can i see them ? |
| 19:25.45 | lunitik | azeem: just broken on other arch's still? |
| 19:26.01 | azeem | lunitik: it's unstable. |
| 19:26.11 | lunitik | azeem: seems fine here? |
| 19:26.12 | azeem | they're trying to get it into testing, but no dice so far I think |
| 19:26.13 | nsanity | abrotman: A lot of them point to alioth... and those all turn out as 404s |
| 19:26.28 | lunitik | azeem: but yeah... why would putting something thats unstable into unstable be bad? |
| 19:26.31 | abrotman | nsanity: can you show them to me? |
| 19:26.33 | nsanity | abrotman: because apparently the amd64 port isn't there anymore |
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| 19:26.45 | azeem | lunitik: I said X11R7 *is* in unstable |
| 19:26.52 | sjr_ | Is there a way I can make X-tunneling via SSH faster, I've already tried -C, but its still VERY slow. |
| 19:27.11 | lunitik | azeem: .. by accident is what you said... maybe you meant by no accident? |
| 19:27.12 | azeem | Oyst3X: please write in english |
| 19:27.13 | abrotman | you don't say ? |
| 19:27.13 | Eulex | !br |
| 19:27.13 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:27.14 | jetscreamer | http://hfds.com/debian_files/ss1.jpg |
| 19:27.19 | azeem | lunitik: I was being ironic |
| 19:27.21 | Oyst3X | [azeem]: fuck |
| 19:27.32 | abrotman | oh .. better |
| 19:27.44 | jetscreamer | better is.. better! |
| 19:27.45 | deadcat | i wonder what kind of xorg demo will be showcased at linuxworldexpo this year. lets hope they dont show that stupid xclock again! |
| 19:27.50 | jetscreamer | kumtriyah! |
| 19:27.57 | lunitik | azeem: oh... ikt |
| 19:28.14 | abrotman | nsanity: i guess that's a no? |
| 19:28.22 | lunitik | deadcat: I thought LinuxWorld Expo already got over? |
| 19:28.33 | deadcat | lunitik: aug in sf |
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| 19:28.45 | lunitik | deadcat: ahh... that was the boston one... meh |
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| 19:28.57 | lunitik | Its so much less confusing now that there will only be one! |
| 19:29.02 | deadcat | lunitik: were you there? did debian have a new tshirt? |
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| 19:29.06 | nsanity | abrotman: eh, I can't find it. I'm just gonna do a netinst... .this isn't my machine and I'm not sure how this guy did this installation... nothing works on it |
| 19:29.07 | DaDave | hi all |
| 19:29.18 | abrotman | nsanity: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:29.18 | lunitik | deadcat: naw... I haven't even made one... it makes me sad :( |
| 19:29.23 | HyramGraff | I'm having trouble getting the second monitor on my new Geforce 5500 to work correctly. Any ideas on how I can set it up correctly? |
| 19:29.29 | abrotman | nsanity: i'd like to see it before you get rid of them |
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| 19:29.52 | lunitik | HyramGraff: look into Xinerama |
| 19:30.00 | deadcat | lunitik: come to the one in san fran. theres a linux picnic on the same weekend. free food and drinks |
| 19:30.04 | DaDave | I have downloaded an installed tomcat from a tar.gz. And i have found a init.d script for it. My question is: Is there a tool that i can call to make the necessary symlinks to /etc/rc?.d automticly? |
| 19:30.13 | abrotman | blondie: apple please! |
| 19:30.17 | lunitik | deadcat: I can't leave my county... its lame :/ |
| 19:30.19 | deadcat | HyramGraff: you need the nvidia driver first |
| 19:30.27 | deadcat | lunitik: house arrest? |
| 19:30.31 | pipeline | DaDave: sysv-rc-conf |
| 19:30.35 | abrotman | yay |
| 19:30.37 | DaDave | pipeline: thanks |
| 19:30.38 | lunitik | deadcat: probation... |
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| 19:30.41 | deadcat | damn |
| 19:30.58 | lunitik | deadcat: not much longer though... so whatever |
| 19:31.04 | deadcat | (= |
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| 19:31.08 | lunitik | maybe I can make it next year 8) |
| 19:31.13 | Red_Cloud | My distro is Etch. I have updated my deb packages and upgraded the new packages. Whenever I try to upgrade havp I get an error "Filesystem not supporting mandatory locks! On Linux, you need to mount filesystem with "-o mand"" This is over my head and I do not know what to do. Help? |
| 19:31.19 | nsanity | abrotman: kj |
| 19:31.22 | deadcat | lunitik: or you might get into trouble by then |
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| 19:31.24 | abrotman | nsanity: pure64 sarge is not on official mirrors |
| 19:31.41 | nsanity | abrotman: so it's all source packages then/ |
| 19:31.53 | abrotman | nsanity: no .. moment |
| 19:31.57 | nsanity | abrotman: k |
| 19:31.59 | DaDave | pipeline: seems like sysv-rc-conf is not installed by default. How does a debian-packge do the symlinks on installation? |
| 19:32.08 | jetscreamer | HyramGraff: you 'might' be able to set the tv-out as a secondary card, not positive |
| 19:32.12 | jetscreamer | w/o the nv |
| 19:32.15 | lunitik | Red_Cloud: umm... it tells you what to do... '-o' is options... so throw mand into /etc/fstab under *G* options |
| 19:32.16 | jetscreamer | idia |
| 19:32.21 | pipeline | DaDave: INSTALL sysv-rc-conf |
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| 19:32.49 | abrotman | nsanity: ask #debian-amd64 for the correct mirror for pure64 sarge |
| 19:32.59 | jetscreamer | damn it turned into a coaster |
| 19:33.01 | nsanity | abrotman: would it be easier to just install etch? |
| 19:33.12 | abrotman | nsanity: depends .. etch is still being formed .. stuff might break |
| 19:33.12 | jetscreamer | etch is ok for a desktop |
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| 19:33.19 | jetscreamer | but if you break it you fix it |
| 19:33.31 | HyramGraff | So no easy way to get the second monitor to work then. |
| 19:33.49 | jetscreamer | HyramGraff: it's easy when you have the nvidia driver installed |
| 19:33.50 | deadcat | HyramGraff: install nvidia driver, and config xorg.conf thats easy |
| 19:33.54 | abrotman | lunitik: doesn't your machine keep breaking? :) |
| 19:33.54 | lunitik | ie... rarely broken etc |
| 19:34.01 | lunitik | abrotman: naw |
| 19:34.08 | DaDave | pipeline: okay, i just hoped there is a way to do it with basic system tools. I don't like the idea of installing a new tool just for the installation of one other... |
| 19:34.10 | HyramGraff | Thnks |
| 19:34.16 | DaDave | pipeline: but thanks for your hint |
| 19:34.17 | lunitik | abrotman: although I'm working on less than a day of sid right now... ask in like a week ;) |
| 19:34.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:34.43 | deadcat | lunitik: i rarely have problem with sid.. |
| 19:34.46 | jetscreamer | just be careful before you let it upgrade is the only real thing |
| 19:34.51 | Tnecniv83 | I've installed an unstable driver (spca5xx) and had to upgrade several packages to the unstable version. Now the X server does not work anymore. The last error message is 'system lacks support for changing MTRRs'. I cannot find the unstable packages in aptitude or dselect anymore. How can I repair the system? I don't know anymore which packages I upgraded to unstable. I don't need the spca5xx driver anymore, anyway. |
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| 19:35.05 | jetscreamer | mtrr is a kernel thing |
| 19:35.12 | abrotman | it is |
| 19:35.16 | jetscreamer | load the module or recompile or install a newer one |
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| 19:35.46 | lunitik | deadcat: me either in the past... idk the current state of it really though... I ran Sid for like 3 years with little issue in the past though |
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| 19:36.21 | LunarC | is it possible to have sound output to a thin client when using XDMCP? |
| 19:36.22 | jetscreamer | Tnecniv83: first, fix your sources, then... |
| 19:36.31 | jetscreamer | !tell Tnecniv83 -about reinstall |
| 19:36.39 | deadcat | lunitik: ya. the xorg thing is fucking up all the stuff lately. but i passed that part now.. smooth sailing for me... until the next big release of xorg maybe |
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| 19:36.53 | abrotman | deadcat: you mean tomorrow? |
| 19:36.54 | lunitik | The X11r7 isn't even a Debian thing... its X in general... its lame |
| 19:37.11 | deadcat | abrotman: already? |
| 19:37.12 | azeem | lunitik: huh? |
| 19:37.28 | deadcat | hungry penguins? http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2006/20060521_Bay_To_Breakers_12K/20060521_canonS230_2935.jpg hahah |
| 19:37.33 | azeem | deadcat: x.org got released last week... |
| 19:37.43 | deadcat | azeem: 7.1 right? |
| 19:37.47 | azeem | yes |
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| 19:37.52 | abrotman | deadcat: i'm joking |
| 19:37.54 | Tnecniv83 | jetscreamer: I already removed the unstable lines from the sources list, but aptitude doesn't display the unstable packages and cannot mark them to downgrade to stable |
| 19:37.55 | lunitik | Did it with SUSE and Fedora... keeps changing "V-Position" on screensaver activation <-- azeem |
| 19:37.57 | jetscreamer | there's always a xorg update in sid latele :) |
| 19:38.45 | deadcat | abrotman: you gonna give me heart attact one of these days. |
| 19:38.45 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 19:38.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 19:38.45 | jetscreamer | but do the reinstal thing |
| 19:38.46 | DaDave | pipeline: oh there is some missunderstanding i guess. I need a tool to to it from inside a script not a GUI... |
| 19:38.46 | jetscreamer | first part iirc |
| 19:38.46 | azeem | lunitik: that's probably one of the most uneducated remarks for calling something as big as X `lame' |
| 19:38.46 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 19:38.46 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 19:38.46 | lunitik | haha @ 'hit enter a lot' ... |
| 19:38.46 | azeem | ... I've ever haerd |
| 19:38.46 | jetscreamer | yeah the first part |
| 19:38.46 | Tnecniv83 | reinstall what? the x server? |
| 19:38.51 | lunitik | azeem: I said the issue is lame... not X itself :/ |
| 19:38.57 | jetscreamer | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install |
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| 19:39.01 | jetscreamer | do that |
| 19:39.10 | lunitik | azeem: or at least, thats what I meant... |
| 19:39.14 | DaDave | pipeline: seems like update-rc.d does the job |
| 19:39.26 | yipe | oh wow, someone spoke to me |
| 19:39.35 | jetscreamer | yipes! |
| 19:39.35 | yipe | I'm guessing it was sometime yesterday though |
| 19:39.36 | lunitik | yipe: *g* |
| 19:39.44 | lunitik | yipe: haha |
| 19:39.45 | Ironhand | is there a not-too-kludgy way to boot Debian with a root fs loopback mounted from a file inside a FAT filesystem? bootloader is syslinux |
| 19:39.45 | abrotman | yipe: it was an accident ... |
| 19:39.48 | yipe | lol |
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| 19:40.06 | lunitik | Ironhand: umm... idgi |
| 19:40.32 | lunitik | Ironhand: may want to reword that if no one tries to answer |
| 19:40.43 | jelly-ho | Ironhand: that whole situation IS kludgy |
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| 19:40.55 | Ironhand | lunitik: ok, thx for the tip :-) |
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| 19:41.10 | Ironhand | jelly-ho: not-too-kludgy, relatively speaking, then... |
| 19:41.30 | jelly-ho | lunitik: does syslinux support initrd? |
| 19:41.32 | Ironhand | such as being able to do it with just a standard Debian kernel+initrd and kernel args |
| 19:41.35 | jelly-ho | err |
| 19:41.42 | Ironhand | yes it does |
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| 19:41.49 | jelly-ho | well then |
| 19:41.53 | jelly-ho | ;-) |
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| 19:42.07 | Ironhand | but I guess that means I'll have to make my own custom initrd for it then |
| 19:42.14 | Ironhand | (was hoping it could be done with the standard initrd) |
| 19:42.32 | yipe | hey, if I go into debian and copy down the error message I get from my keyboard can you guys tell me what's cauging it? |
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| 19:42.43 | yipe | causing* |
| 19:42.46 | jelly-ho | tweak the contents of initrd enough to make the root visible and continue. |
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| 19:42.59 | Lafy | does my fstab need to be readable to the world or can i change it's permissions to 0600? |
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| 19:43.57 | yipe | eh, I'm too tired, I'm gonna go mow the lawn instead... |
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| 19:44.49 | thingfish | yipe: that's the general idea: you show the error using a pastebin, people look at it, then try to help if they can. |
| 19:45.11 | yipe | it's kind of weird though, some sort of scancode thing that pops up randomly while I type |
| 19:45.35 | abrotman | thinkpad ? |
| 19:45.40 | yipe | nope, |
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| 19:46.18 | yipe | I'll promise not to make things easy on you:) |
| 19:46.22 | abrotman | not you .. |
| 19:46.35 | yipe | but for now I've got some dandilions with a price on their heads |
| 19:46.38 | abrotman | trying to find a decent miniITX seller in .us .. hard!!!!!! |
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| 19:46.54 | jelly-ho | wouldn't it be nice if the irc client had support for pastebin - you opened a /msg to virtual client, paste, and it returned an url. |
| 19:47.23 | yipe | that'd be really nice, there's something close to that, it's called #flood:P |
| 19:47.45 | yipe | but you have to get people to join the chan, blah blah blah, no where near as nice at what you're saying:P |
| 19:47.57 | yipe | as* |
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| 19:48.59 | yipe | GecKo!` you're in NZ? Where in NZ? |
| 19:49.23 | yipe | eh, that'll teach me not to auto-complete |
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| 19:51.04 | samuel | ive installed cups, and ive a whole bunch of printer drivers EXCEPT postscript and gdi, where can i get these? |
| 19:51.08 | samuel | what package? |
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| 19:51.21 | samuel | btw its on amd64 |
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| 19:52.20 | kingsley | samuel: Perhaps ghostscript. |
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| 19:52.43 | goldenaura | Hi there. I am using Debian Sarge. If i want a script to run at a specific period (not daily, not weekly...) do i have to put it inside the /etc/cron.d ? Thanks |
| 19:52.47 | samuel | kingsley, ive installed gs-gpl, but not in there |
| 19:53.31 | kingsley | samuel: Have you tried "apt-cache search postscript driver"? |
| 19:53.49 | kingsley | samuel: What kind of printer are you using? |
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| 19:54.19 | samuel | kingsley, yes, it shows a bunch, of which gs-gpl is one, its a samsung ml-1210, needs gdi driver |
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| 19:55.04 | fourat | i have to run alsaconf to setup my soundcard on each reboot, why it doesnt save the conf and get it working at reboot |
| 19:55.18 | jelly-ho | samuel: you won't find a driver for "gdi". It's a generic term for "crappy printer we have to give rendered bitmaps in a specialized format" |
| 19:55.21 | kingsley | samuel: Have you tried searching google's web and usenet archives? |
| 19:55.30 | Red_Cloud | I have a packaga that is not fully installed or removed. How do I resolve this situation? |
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| 19:56.28 | jelly-ho | samuel: you might have luck at www.linuxprinting.org. If the printer model is recent also take a look at the relevant manufacturer mailing list there. |
| 19:56.34 | chino | are the /etc/asterisk/* files installed with debian or with the asterisk package ? |
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| 19:56.51 | Eulex | DSA for kernel 2.4.17? is woody still supported by the security team? |
| 19:56.53 | kingsley | goldenaura: I'm not aware of a cron solution for an unusual period, but I suppose you could write a bash shell script with a loop and sleep command. |
| 19:57.00 | samuel | jelly-ho, hahaha, ok then, so gdi no longer exists? i remember a few ubgrades ago gdi driver WAS available |
| 19:57.00 | chino | i wanted to get the original conf files back so i purged asterisk and reinstalled it and its saying that /etc/asterisk/* no files exist |
| 19:57.01 | abrotman | Eulex: yes .. |
| 19:57.21 | Eulex | abrotman, hmm, didn't know/think that |
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| 19:57.32 | kingsley | Red_Cloud: Have you tried "dpkg --purge <package-name>"? |
| 19:57.41 | abrotman | Eulex: probably for a few more months yet |
| 19:57.41 | chino | help |
| 19:57.49 | abrotman | problem! |
| 19:57.55 | goldenaura | kingsley: the period always has the same value, it is a 24 hours period, but i dont want it to run exactly at the same time at the other scripts inside the cron.daily |
| 19:57.57 | jelly-ho | samuel: hmm, if it WAS available, then it probably still is. |
| 19:58.07 | fourat | i have to run alsaconf to setup my soundcard on each reboot, why it doesnt save the conf and get it working at reboot |
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| 19:58.30 | Eulex | abrotman, oh, ok. was a bit shocked when there came a dsa for a 2.2 kernel by a few weeks ago, but didn't have time to check up on it :) |
| 19:58.32 | samuel | jelly-ho, thing is i no longer know what package it is in |
| 19:58.36 | jelly-ho | samuel: what distribution are you running? stable, unstable? |
| 19:58.44 | abrotman | Eulex: woody had a 2.2 |
| 19:58.53 | chino | how do i get the congfiguration file sback from /etc/asterisk ? |
| 19:58.55 | Eulex | abrotman, I know :) |
| 19:59.14 | abrotman | chino: back from? |
| 19:59.15 | jelly-ho | abrotman: and a 2.4.something if memory serves. |
| 19:59.19 | abrotman | jelly-ho: yes |
| 19:59.20 | deadcat | chino: cp |
| 19:59.25 | kingsley | goldenaura: Oh, OK. Then you can add it to a cron file, like /etc/crontab |
| 19:59.25 | kingsley | , for example, and specify a different time to run it at. |
| 19:59.26 | abrotman | 2.4.18 for most arches |
| 19:59.28 | samuel | jelly-ho, sid, amd64 |
| 19:59.35 | chino | deadcat: abrotman: i want the original ones and reinstalling asterisk doens't bring them back |
| 19:59.46 | Eulex | !tell chino about confmiss |
| 19:59.47 | abrotman | !tell chino about confmiss |
| 19:59.55 | Eulex | :) |
| 20:00.00 | deadcat | chino: dpkg -x astr*.deb /tmp/ast and then find it there |
| 20:00.07 | FinnTux | something wrong with alsa in unstable atm? |
| 20:00.11 | chino | debian is insane |
| 20:00.19 | deadcat | FinnTux: no sound? |
| 20:00.25 | goldenaura | kingsley: do i really need to do that, what if i place it inside the cron.d folder, and in the begining of the script i specify the time period? or this is not possible? |
| 20:00.28 | FinnTux | yep |
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| 20:00.34 | Shuddertrix | chino: heh |
| 20:00.37 | tarzeau | chino: why? |
| 20:00.39 | samuel | jelly-ho, can i just get the driver: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_driver.cgi?driver=gdi and stick it in the PPD folder? |
| 20:00.41 | chino | so weird |
| 20:00.43 | FinnTux | deadcat, I just swapped cards though |
| 20:00.47 | deadcat | FinnTux: libasound2 -5 has problem upgrade to -6 or downgrade to -4 shoudl work |
| 20:00.50 | abrotman | chino: you're the one that removed them! |
| 20:00.52 | deadcat | FinnTux: then you on your own |
| 20:00.54 | Red_Cloud | kingsley I get the error "Stopping havp: invoke-rc.d: initscript havp, action "stop" failed" |
| 20:00.54 | kingsley | fourat: I'll bet you can find an answer by googling for alsaconf and boot. |
| 20:00.55 | tarzeau | chino: actually, it's not |
| 20:01.03 | chino | yea i wanted them to be reinstalled |
| 20:01.13 | jelly-ho | samuel: and restart cups |
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| 20:01.26 | jelly-ho | samuel: my testing says foomatic-filters-ppds: /usr/share/ppd |
| 20:01.40 | FinnTux | deadcat, yeah, I know. just wondering if it was widely known issue. gonna check libasound. thanks |
| 20:01.47 | noodl | Hi. Does anybody know of a guide to apt for rpm users? I'm new to debian having used had rat for a few years.. |
| 20:01.52 | jelly-ho | samuel: that's the package with 17MB of ppds. |
| 20:01.59 | abrotman | !tell noodl about grounding |
| 20:02.02 | abrotman | !tell noodl about refcard |
| 20:02.02 | deadcat | FinnTux: libasound2 was the last known problem. only -5 though |
| 20:02.10 | samuel | jelly-ho, ok, thanks. ill try that first |
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| 20:02.29 | FinnTux | deadcat, I have -6 installed |
| 20:02.35 | noodl | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 20:02.40 | chino | i get the same error |
| 20:02.46 | kingsley | goldenaura: I'm unfamiliar with /etc/cron.d/*, but I see the files in it appear to have cron code, so it may work. Perhaps googling for /etc/cron.d and debian would provide a definitive answer. |
| 20:02.47 | jelly-ho | samuel: and it contains /usr/share/ppd/linuxprinting.org-gs-builtin/Samsung/Samsung-ML-1210-gdi.ppd.gz |
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| 20:03.05 | jelly-ho | samuel: dunno why's the driver called gdi, but there it is. |
| 20:03.08 | deadcat | FinnTux: you're fine then. |
| 20:03.09 | goldenaura | kingsley: thanks ;) |
| 20:03.09 | kingsley | Red_Cloud: Have you googled for that exact error message? |
| 20:03.39 | samuel | jelly-ho, thats odd... ive got the package, but it doesnt show in cups |
| 20:03.40 | shlomo08 | Hello! I'm using sarge+gnome.. and I need to get a file from a samba network.. how can I graphicly do it? |
| 20:03.44 | FinnTux | deadcat, any idea why alsa plugin for xmms is virtual package - no alsa output from xmms |
| 20:04.04 | LunarC | is it possible to have sound output to a thin client when using XDMCP? |
| 20:04.11 | chealer9 | Eulex: there was a DSA for 2.2 a few weeks ago? |
| 20:04.15 | deadcat | FinnTux: nope. dont use xmms |
| 20:04.20 | chino | damit |
| 20:04.25 | LunarC | so that, for example, I could listen to MP3s from a thin shell? |
| 20:04.29 | chino | this isn't adding the directory /etc/asterisk |
| 20:04.34 | abrotman | chino: what package are you reinstalling ? |
| 20:04.42 | FinnTux | deadcat, ok. trying something... |
| 20:04.42 | chino | asterisk |
| 20:04.42 | jelly-ho | samuel: you have to restart cupsd |
| 20:04.44 | FinnTux | later |
| 20:04.46 | Eulex | chealer9, I think so |
| 20:04.50 | abrotman | chino: wrong package |
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| 20:04.55 | chino | what ? |
| 20:05.05 | abrotman | chino: try asterisk-config |
| 20:05.14 | jelly-ho | samuel: and possibly restart configuring the printer if you're doing it via the standard web interface |
| 20:05.19 | chealer9 | Eulex: I don't think so. there were DSAs for woody's 2.4 though |
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| 20:05.31 | chino | so do i have to do all this --force-confmiss stuff if im directly installing a conf package ? |
| 20:05.39 | shlomo08 | QUIT |
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| 20:05.46 | samuel | jelly-ho, thanks, ive copied over the file and it seems to work fine now! |
| 20:05.48 | samuel | thanks |
| 20:06.18 | KrLoS | o/ |
| 20:06.21 | KrLoS | hi every body |
| 20:06.25 | Eulex | chealer9, indeed, there wasn't. my memory is wrong. |
| 20:06.35 | KrLoS | some one has experience one etch as a development server |
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| 20:06.40 | code- | hey, i was wondering if someone could help me; i installed debian 3.1 r2 last night using the netinstall version, and now i seem to be having an issue with apt-get... i made a paste here http://pastebin.com/745432 , if anyone could explain what i should be doing...? |
| 20:06.43 | chino | fingally! |
| 20:06.47 | chino | finally |
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| 20:08.42 | chealer9 | code-: did you try Google? |
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| 20:09.02 | abrotman | chino: helps when you do the right package :) |
| 20:09.02 | code- | i wasnt sure what to search for |
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| 20:09.19 | chino | yea well i didn't know |
| 20:09.31 | KrLoS | people.. plz.. give an opinion... i am thinking on migrate to etch in my work... we have sarge in our server..... and i want to try etch.. but as a server.. i prefer to take some opinions |
| 20:09.42 | chino | im use to just getting hte package from the poeple who make it |
| 20:09.49 | chino | i dont know hwats going on in debian |
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| 20:10.17 | sepski | KrLoS, i run sarge on servers and etch on my own workstation. if i admin other's workstations i use sarge perhaps with a backport if it's needed |
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| 20:11.04 | chealer9 | KrLoS: check if there are RC bugs you think could affect the machine. if not, the best thing to gain experience is to try |
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| 20:12.01 | mango | I want to run programs on my server remotely and keep them running even thougth I would log out of it. I tried ssh, but as soon as I log out from the system all processes stop for that user. could any one help please? |
| 20:12.01 | chealer9 | code-: do you have debsig-verify installed? |
| 20:12.08 | Phlexonance | what was the name of the multirename tool? |
| 20:12.12 | Phlexonance | + gui |
| 20:12.20 | Shuddertrix | mango: screen is the answer |
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| 20:12.38 | Phlexonance | the one krusader uses |
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| 20:12.40 | KrLoS | sepski, chealer9: my server is used just for developing.... we have a small development bussines |
| 20:13.00 | KrLoS | sepski, chealer9: and it coulbe interesting |
| 20:13.26 | KrLoS | but i do no get a problem with my boss |
| 20:13.27 | KrLoS | :) |
| 20:13.36 | Shuddertrix | mango: some good screen resources at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen |
| 20:14.23 | abrotman | chino: i think there's a #debian-asterisk .. or #debian-voip |
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| 20:14.25 | mango | Shuddertrix: thank you |
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| 20:14.44 | chino | neither |
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| 20:15.27 | shibathedog | can someone help me compile/install NDIS wrapper? i keep getting errors, i think im missing the kernal source or something |
| 20:16.16 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 20:16.16 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 20:16.47 | shibathedog | let me try that, i was using a tar.gz file i got from sourceforge |
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| 20:17.21 | Agricola | Hello |
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| 20:18.34 | ic3man05 | I found a good way to increase fps so far in ut2004 |
| 20:18.40 | ic3man05 | overclocking my cpu |
| 20:18.47 | ic3man05 | I just have to find a 100% stable spot for it |
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| 20:19.01 | abrotman | wrong channel |
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| 20:19.18 | ekkikrist | I overclocked apt-get to download faster. |
| 20:19.24 | ic3man05 | lol cool |
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| 20:19.41 | lunitik | ekkikrist: how you manage that? |
| 20:19.42 | shibathedog | okay i typed in what you said and it said this "Bad Luck, The kernal headers for the target kernal version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernal headers to use." |
| 20:19.44 | ic3man05 | abrotman: last night I asked if anybody knew any out of game tweaks I could do to debian |
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| 20:20.14 | valdyn | !overclock |
| 20:20.15 | dpkg | I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm. |
| 20:20.23 | ekkikrist | hehe |
| 20:20.38 | ic3man05 | this processor doesn't like me though |
| 20:20.43 | ic3man05 | 3200+ mobile |
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| 20:20.50 | ic3man05 | I used to have a 2400+ that loved it |
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| 20:20.57 | usual | apt usual? |
| 20:20.59 | apt | methinks usual is unusual |
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| 20:21.24 | valdyn | !gentoo |
| 20:21.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 20:21.43 | valdyn | ic3man05: go to http://www.funroll-loops.org/ ) |
| 20:21.52 | blondie | !greenhouse |
| 20:21.52 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 20:22.08 | blondie | !tell Ferret about greenhouse |
| 20:22.11 | ic3man05 | valdyn: I've been there before |
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| 20:22.23 | raf256 | lol. |
| 20:22.26 | ic3man05 | I used to use gentoo but never got that carried away |
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| 20:22.40 | blondie | does "!tell #gentoo ..." work? ;) |
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| 20:23.17 | ic3man05 | valdyn: I found arch linux the fastest i've ever installed, but apt is far superior to pacman |
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| 20:24.21 | shibathedog | okay i got NDIS wrapper set up i think, brb while i try and use it |
| 20:24.25 | Ferret | blondie: :P |
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| 20:25.04 | Ferret | My record for time spent installing gentoo is 7 minutes ;) |
| 20:25.19 | blondie | :O |
| 20:25.22 | blondie | impossible |
| 20:25.43 | streuner | !gentoosmite Ferret |
| 20:25.57 | Ferret | !confuse streuner |
| 20:25.57 | dpkg | No, those is my weasel tomorrow, streuner? lederhosen of the democracy of tibet with extra anchovies |
| 20:25.58 | blondie | :O |
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| 20:26.07 | Ferret | Think about where your weasels are |
| 20:26.25 | azeem | stop highlighting weasel |
| 20:26.36 | Ferret | Stop highlighting weasel? |
| 20:26.47 | Ferret | That damn alias usual talks about ferrets. Think about how I feel. :P |
| 20:26.55 | Ferret | usually* |
| 20:27.08 | Ferret | Why do I always miss the end off of usually? |
| 20:27.08 | ic3man05 | find a new name then |
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| 20:27.12 | Fluffy | Hi |
| 20:27.12 | streuner | Ferret: do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:27.22 | usual | eh |
| 20:27.38 | Ironhand | I've just looked into initrd's a bit... am I right in deducing that using an initrd from a recent debian kernel package, the root device is hardcoded in the initrd file and the actual root=/dev/blah option is ignored? |
| 20:27.40 | Ferret | streuner: do you? |
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| 20:28.32 | ic3man05 | Ironhand: the grub option root=/dev/blah I believe is for the kernel |
| 20:28.44 | Shadowcat | !ops Ferret is trolling |
| 20:28.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: shadowcat complains about: Ferret is trolling |
| 20:28.58 | Ferret | Erm, what? |
| 20:28.58 | blondie | rude |
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| 20:29.27 | Fluffy | Im trying to use mkinitrd to build a root immage in debian 2.4.27 to get bttv working. It seems that everything i try (and i have red the man pages) does not work.It seems that /etc/mkinitrd is missing is there a quick solution?? |
| 20:29.32 | dmb_man | hey all, I am looking into a net install cd is there one for 64 bit processors? |
| 20:29.32 | ic3man05 | Ironhand: oops sorry, that would be root (hdx,x) |
| 20:29.33 | dmb_man | ' |
| 20:29.49 | helix | dmb_man: amd64 or sparc64 or ia64? |
| 20:29.55 | helix | there is installation media for all three |
| 20:29.56 | Ferret | Ironhand: When using initrd the root option passed to the kernel is to the ramdisk the initrd uses to l/oad modules and do its other things, usually, rather than the root filesystem |
| 20:29.56 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*=worc1588@gentoo/user/ferret] by RichiH |
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| 20:30.04 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 20:30.11 | dmb_man | its a amd athlon chip |
| 20:30.12 | streuner | RichiH: thanks |
| 20:30.13 | Ironhand | ic3man05: well, my default grub kernel line includes root=/dev/hda2 ... however looking into the /init on the corresponding initrd image, it does a literal "mount [..] /dev/hda2 /mnt' and then does a switchroot to /mnt |
| 20:30.17 | helix | he wasn't really trolling much IMO, why the ban? |
| 20:30.25 | dmb_man | so that would be amd64, which I am not seeing =( |
| 20:30.26 | helix | my nick is helix, not Helix |
| 20:30.28 | dmb_man | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:30.29 | streuner | helix: he was trolling. |
| 20:30.29 | blondie | RichiH: that was uncalled for |
| 20:30.35 | RichiH | helix: wrong button, i was planning to +q and query |
| 20:30.37 | helix | streuner: not enough to get banned |
| 20:30.48 | streuner | helix: so trolling is not enough? |
| 20:30.50 | RichiH | they are next to each other, which is suboptimal |
| 20:30.53 | helix | and right before he got banned he was helping someone |
| 20:30.54 | jelly-ho | helix: ya know, one looking for "64bit processors" usually wouldn't have an idea of sparcs or itaniums. |
| 20:30.56 | blondie | streuner: he wasn;t trolling. |
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| 20:31.14 | helix | jelly-ho: it's still a good idea to ask |
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| 20:31.22 | ic3man05 | Ironhand: Maybe thats a fallback if you forget to add root=/dev/hdaX |
| 20:31.27 | streuner | blondie: scroll up |
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| 20:31.33 | dmb_man | damn anyone |
| 20:31.38 | blondie | I read everything he said |
| 20:31.39 | helix | dmb_man: hang on |
| 20:31.41 | dmb_man | I have to go home soon |
| 20:31.44 | dmb_man | alright thank you |
| 20:31.49 | blondie | and I have no need to |
| 20:31.53 | ic3man05 | Ironhand: What is your current kernel line in menu.lst? |
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| 20:31.55 | Ironhand | ic3man05: I figured it might be, however the mount doesn't seem to be conditional in any way |
| 20:31.59 | helix | dmb_man: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 20:32.00 | fer_ | debian-es |
| 20:32.11 | Ironhand | ic3man05: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-k7 root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 20:32.22 | liran_ | i need php5-mysqli and it doesnt seem available even on backports.... |
| 20:32.25 | streuner | blondie: so its not enough to speaking about OT - things and answering about 'do you have a debian related question', do you? |
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| 20:32.29 | dmb_man | woohoo thank you helix |
| 20:32.38 | dmb_man | I will be back in a few hours @ home |
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| 20:32.42 | helix | streuner: you're overreacting; he said maybe ten lines |
| 20:32.59 | streuner | helix: no |
| 20:33.04 | ic3man05 | Ironhand: best way to test is copy that and change it to something that doesn't exist like /dev/hda8 or something |
| 20:33.08 | Ironhand | ic3man05: and I'm pretty sure the initrd *is* being used since the fs type for my root fs (ext3) is compiled as a module |
| 20:33.10 | RichiH | for the record, i queried and apologized |
| 20:33.18 | Ironhand | ic3man05: yeah I was thinking that too... will try that |
| 20:33.42 | ic3man05 | Ironhand: how did you manage to view the binary data from the init file? |
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| 20:34.01 | crazy_penguin | good night everybody. pleasent dreams! :) |
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| 20:34.01 | Ironhand | ic3man05: the /init on the initrd is just a /bin/dash script, no binary |
| 20:34.31 | Ironhand | ic3man05: as for unpacking the initrd, I used cpio -i <initrd-file |
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| 20:34.46 | blondie | streuner: I'm not going to agree with you whatever you say |
| 20:34.54 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:34.54 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:34.58 | streuner | haha |
| 20:34.59 | ic3man05 | Ironhand I was looking at /boot/initrd-2.6.xxx |
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| 20:35.12 | streuner | blondie: you are a very clever guy :-) |
| 20:35.16 | Shadowcat | streuner: so say "reiserfs rocks" |
| 20:35.20 | grendal_prime | im needing to connect to a ssl enabled webdav folder with konqueror. i thought you could do that with this sort of address webdav://myservers_ip/davfoldername:443 |
| 20:35.27 | honschu | Is it possible to run linux on a machine with only 1mb ram? |
| 20:35.34 | Shadowcat | err wait |
| 20:35.47 | Shadowcat | bah I wanted to dupe blondie into disagreeing that reiserfs is bad |
| 20:35.52 | grendal_prime | honschu, what is it a coke machine? |
| 20:36.03 | ic3man05 | honschu: I don't believe so, I think the 2.4 kernel needs at least 16mb to work right |
| 20:36.05 | honschu | it's just a general question |
| 20:36.07 | blondie | honschu: yes |
| 20:36.13 | honschu | 2.2 kernel? |
| 20:36.23 | ic3man05 | too old for me to know |
| 20:36.35 | streuner | helix: the answer of my question "Do you?" is the same like, No, i don't have a debian related question, so i ask you what he want then...? |
| 20:36.39 | Gathond | I had 2.4 running on 8 mb so Im confident it can run on that, probably on 4 as well |
| 20:36.49 | helix | streuner: how long do you want to argue about this? |
| 20:36.55 | honschu | blondie: Do I need a 2.2 kernel? ... isn't there a tombs-boot-rescue disk-distribution? |
| 20:37.03 | streuner | with a woman..., hell no :-) |
| 20:37.09 | blondie | honschu: um |
| 20:37.13 | Ferret | honschu: It's probably possible, but not feasible or easy |
| 20:37.24 | honschu | blondie: um? |
| 20:37.38 | Ironhand | ic3man05: ok, just booted normally with root=/dev/foo , so I'm guessing the root= option is indeed ignored |
| 20:37.39 | helix | streuner: uh, excuse me? |
| 20:37.42 | honschu | Ferret: I should go along with "linux from scratch" ? |
| 20:37.46 | Ferret | honschu: You can get a kernel in under 1mb, but getting any userland into that... tough one... not out-of-the-box distros! |
| 20:37.48 | Shadowcat | generally speaking, if you're asking about things like these honschu, you can't pull it off |
| 20:37.53 | ic3man05 | Ironhand: thats interesting |
| 20:37.58 | grendal_prime | im trying to figer why honschu ?? i mean the only think i can think of witho only that much ram would be...like a ....coke machine |
| 20:38.15 | streuner | helix: its pretty senseless to argue with you, because you don't answer question too. |
| 20:38.19 | Shadowcat | grendal_prime: 640 is enough for anybody |
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| 20:38.23 | RoundQube | hello all |
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| 20:38.27 | ic3man05 | ironhand: whats the exact location for the file your reading? I can't seem to find it |
| 20:38.28 | Ferret | honschu: I recommend you find someone somewhere who has successfully got linux to run under those conditions, and see if *they* have anything to say, or any instructions. Google should help with that. |
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| 20:38.33 | honschu | grendal_prime: I friend of mine ask me if it's bossible for it's old machine. |
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| 20:38.44 | helix | streuner: because you barely speak english |
| 20:38.46 | grendal_prime | Shadowcat, ya who in there right mind would need more than 640 k right??? |
| 20:38.51 | Ferret | honschu: If I couldn't find any howtos online for such conditions I think I'd give it up as a lost cause. :) |
| 20:38.51 | honschu | Ferret: Ok, thx |
| 20:38.54 | RoundQube | I do not have the /dev/dsp[1-whatever] devices, can I just manually create them or am I missing something that creates them automatically? |
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| 20:38.59 | Ironhand | ic3man05: have you managed to unpack the initrd? it's simply "/init" inside the image for me |
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| 20:39.04 | RoundQube | my kernel is compiled to suppport my intel i810 chipset |
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| 20:39.18 | Shadowcat | RoundQube: yes and? |
| 20:39.21 | lewis2 | how do I copy a database, from one MySQL server to another? |
| 20:39.27 | grendal_prime | honschu, ive used machines sinc comodor64's, |
| 20:39.29 | Shadowcat | that doesn't meant it supports your integrated sound |
| 20:39.34 | Shadowcat | which is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT module |
| 20:39.44 | ic3man05 | Ironhand: my grub file doesn't point to /initrd |
| 20:39.47 | lewis2 | (ideally, in a script, so it could be done regularly, and not through phpmyadmin) |
| 20:40.10 | grendal_prime | i wold tell your friend to go to the dump, there is probably a pile of machiens there better than his computer with only 1 meg of usable ram |
| 20:40.16 | RoundQube | Shadowcat: so if I dont have /dev/dsp, that means that my kernel is not configured for my sound? otherwise it would have created the /dev/dsp devices? |
| 20:40.18 | Tnecniv83 | The crashed X problem is not solved yet. I upgraded some packages to unstable and now X can't be started. apt or dpkg cannot downgrade anymore |
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| 20:40.23 | ic3man05 | Ironhand: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 20:40.26 | Ironhand | ic3man05: do you have a standard debian kernel package? (it doesn't for me either, though I do have grub a initrd line) |
| 20:40.30 | Shadowcat | RoundQube: if you have udev installed, yes |
| 20:40.34 | Ironhand | ic3man05: exactly the same here |
| 20:40.40 | grendal_prime | unless its like a piece of hardware, like a sewing machine, or something strange like that |
| 20:40.46 | RoundQube | Shadowcat: yes, im using udev. Ok I'll go dig through the kernel again |
| 20:40.47 | RoundQube | thanks |
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| 20:41.42 | Ironhand | ic3man05: try this: mkdir initrd_tmp; cd initrd_tmp; zcat /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-k7 | cpio -i |
| 20:41.48 | RoundQube | This T42 is almost complete, I've worked alot to get everything else working but sound I haven't found much. I'll keep digging around on google |
| 20:41.49 | grendal_prime | ssl enabled webdav via konq guys..anyone know how to do that...(and i know that konq works for the non ssl webdav. |
| 20:41.52 | RoundQube | thanks again Shadowcat |
| 20:42.01 | Ironhand | ic3man05: for me, that creates a "init" file in the directory unpacked to |
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| 20:42.08 | vchrizz | anybody from london(our hotel is in hammersmith) here? i go there on friday with my sister and we're looking for some person who shows us the location a little bit :) |
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| 20:42.31 | mvanholstyn | I am having a path problem with sudo. In my .bashrc file i added an additional directory to my path. I also did this in my root .bashrc file because some of the scripts i want to run need root privs. i can run all the scripts in this directory just fine as my user, or as root via "su" and "sudo -i" however if i try "sudo some_script" it cannot be found. Any ideas? |
| 20:42.38 | yipe | ahhhhh, you can consider that lawn MOWED |
| 20:42.45 | Ferret | vchrizz: try #freenode-social rather than here, this is a technical channel |
| 20:43.05 | Ironhand | ic3man05: and towards the bottom, that init file includes a literal mount of my root device |
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| 20:43.20 | vchrizz | well, i use debian on my servers, so i thought i find some nice technical person to talk to while showing locations ;) |
| 20:43.43 | vchrizz | thanks though Ferret :) |
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| 20:43.52 | ic3man05 | Ironhand: i'm not seeing anything that leads to mounting it |
| 20:44.09 | rrk | i need some help with a apt --libc6 dependentcy problem |
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| 20:44.21 | DevilChaos | shalome |
| 20:44.25 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 20:44.31 | Ferret | mvanholstyn: root bashrc isn't used when you ren commands with sudo, to start with. I'm not sure how sudo gets its PATH, hang on a sec while I check. |
| 20:44.32 | Ironhand | ic3man05: mounting the initrd you mean? I have to admit that's a bit obscure for me as well, but it happens one way or the other |
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| 20:44.39 | adrakoa | hi |
| 20:44.51 | ic3man05 | in the file ~/initrd_tmp/init |
| 20:45.07 | ic3man05 | I have mountroot |
| 20:45.26 | mvanholstyn | Ferret: running "sudo echo $PATH" return the contents of my user's path directory (which includes my additional bin direcotry) |
| 20:45.57 | Ironhand | ic3man05: hmmm, maybe your config lead to a different file being generated... I've put my "init" file here: http://xyx.nl/~arjen/initrd_init.txt |
| 20:46.02 | Ironhand | *led |
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| 20:46.12 | Ferret | mvanholstyn: Well, bash will parse $PATH before handing those arguments to sudo, so that's not unexpected |
| 20:46.25 | Tnecniv83 | For example I have installed debhelper 5.0.35, which is unstable. The most recent stable version is 4.2.32. In aptitude it shows the 5.0.35 version number as the latest available version. although the unstable source is already removed from the /etc/apt/sources.list. How do I downgrade it (and other packages) to the latest stable version? |
| 20:47.02 | Ferret | mvanholstyn: have you tried sudo -H sh -c 'some_script'? |
| 20:47.29 | ic3man05 | http://xaos-realms.net/data/linux/init.txt |
| 20:47.33 | ic3man05 | mine is completely different |
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| 20:47.43 | ic3man05 | Ironhand |
| 20:48.28 | Ironhand | ic3man05: now that is interesting... I wonder based on what mkinitrd generates/finds that file |
| 20:48.32 | Ferret | rrk: I doubt if I can help with it, but maybe if you gave more information someone else will know what to do? |
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| 20:48.51 | ic3man05 | Ironhand: all I did was apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-k7 |
| 20:48.54 | ic3man05 | or what ever it was |
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| 20:49.37 | liran_ | i've added the 'dotdeb' repository to get from it just the php5-mysqli package which im required but i dont find in backports... when i try 'apt-get install php5-mysqli' then it wants to install packages like php5-common which are already installed from backports... |
| 20:49.39 | chino | i cant get proftpd to start it tells me its part of inetd and then i restart inetd but the server does not run when i try to connect to port 21 |
| 20:49.45 | liran_ | how can i force to install just ONE package? |
| 20:49.46 | mvanholstyn | Ferret: "sudo -H sh -c some_script" also cannot find the script |
| 20:49.47 | Ironhand | ic3man05: what's your current version of the linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 package? I have 2.6.15-2 |
| 20:50.01 | rrk | ok i lost a ssh connection will trying to upgrade nxfree it cause a problem with libc6 and libc6-dev apt-get -f install and dpkg --configure -a will not resolve it |
| 20:50.05 | ic3man05 | vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 20:50.06 | formorer | liran_: dotdeb is crap |
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| 20:50.30 | ic3man05 | i've been updating almost every other day |
| 20:50.36 | Ferret | mvanholstyn: OK then, in that case this should tell you what path sudo is normally using: sudo -H sh -c 'echo $PATH' |
| 20:50.37 | liran_ | formorer: well i must have php5-mysqli and its not in backports. im open to any other suggestions you have for me |
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| 20:50.49 | neurocyte | Ironhand, ic3man05's init is created by mkinitramfs, your's is probably from mkinitrd |
| 20:50.54 | brosioz | exist a method to monitor the temperature of my sata hd ? i see with hdparm but it doesn't show cause is sata... is it possible ? |
| 20:50.56 | formorer | liran_: make a new backport or ask on the backports list for a backport |
| 20:51.00 | Ferret | mvanholstyn: Unfortunately I'm haveing difficulty finding out how that PATH is magically generated. :) |
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| 20:51.03 | Ironhand | neurocyte: that sounds like a likely explanation |
| 20:51.08 | liran_ | what do you mean to make a new backport? |
| 20:51.24 | ic3man05 | neurocyte: what created me using something different though, I'm using the default debian etch net install |
| 20:51.25 | rrk | the end result is that i can not use apt-get to do any thing until the dependcy issue is cleared and i don't know how |
| 20:51.37 | Ironhand | neurocyte: it would seem that mkinitramfs creates images that are more flexible then, or am I wrong? |
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| 20:51.54 | neurocyte | mkinitramfs is much better, yes |
| 20:51.55 | load | when packaging deb packages, how should I tell it what gcc version to use, should I just symlink gcc to the correct version |
| 20:51.57 | mvanholstyn | Ferret: yeah, i created a script with "echo $PATH" in it and ran that via sudo, and it get a path which doesnt match my users, or root's... im trying to find where it gets it as well |
| 20:52.22 | chino | i canget seem to get postfix to start iether this is really bad |
| 20:52.31 | Tnecniv83 | how can I re-install everything? the whole debian system? i'm still stuck on the broken X system |
| 20:52.32 | neurocyte | ic3man05, mkinitramfs is default in sid afaik |
| 20:52.51 | Tnecniv83 | okay i'll just enter the cd-rom again |
| 20:53.01 | formorer | load: if you want to package for debian try to use the standard gcc |
| 20:53.03 | Ironhand | neurocyte: ok, thanks for the tip, I'll see how that works for me then (I'm actually looking to build an image that will loopback mount a file on a fat fs on a USB HDD) |
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| 20:53.10 | formorer | load: otherwise set CC correctly |
| 20:53.38 | ic3man05 | neurocyte: looks like its also default on etch too |
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| 20:54.43 | load | formorer: what version of gcc should be used? |
| 20:54.55 | formorer | load: the one linked to gcc |
| 20:55.00 | formorer | load: currently 4.0 |
| 20:55.11 | formorer | load: eventually 4.1 for etch |
| 20:55.19 | Ironhand | ic3man05 & neurocyte thanks for your help, time to dig a bit further now :-) |
| 20:55.40 | neurocyte | Ironhand, mkinitramfs makes it really easy to extend the default initrd functionality, just dump scripts into /etc/mkinitramfs and run update-initramfs |
| 20:55.59 | load | formorer: will there be a noticeable performance increase if I optimize for my CPU rather than just using i386? |
| 20:56.03 | Ferret | mvanholstyn: Interesting... according to the sudo man page, the PATH is passed unchanged to the program that executes... but this we have demonstrated is not the case... I'll read some more. |
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| 20:56.17 | yipe | unknown scancode e_59 |
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| 20:56.24 | formorer | load: depends on the application, but most times: no |
| 20:56.30 | yipe | that's what I get at random intervals while I type |
| 20:56.43 | mvanholstyn | Ferret: I read that too, but you are correct, that is definately not the case |
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| 20:56.56 | load | formorer: what is the point of optimization then? |
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| 20:57.25 | chino | yo all my servers have stopped working for no reason |
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| 20:57.44 | chino | i cant get inetd or postfix to start |
| 20:57.49 | formorer | load: there applications where optimization is usefull, but most times the speed enhancement is not measurable |
| 20:57.59 | blondie | chino: why not? |
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| 20:58.11 | chino | i have no idea they just wont start up |
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| 20:58.22 | Xelion | yay, people to help me |
| 20:58.28 | blondie | chino: well, is there an error message? |
| 20:58.29 | chino | it doesn't give any erros |
| 20:58.37 | liran_ | uhmm, any suggestions how to solve that php5-mysqli problem? |
| 20:58.39 | chino | is there an inetd log ? |
| 20:58.41 | load | formorer: I was thinking optimizing xorg and kde. |
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| 20:58.53 | Ferret | mvanholstyn: OK, it seems that you can tell sudo what PATH to use at configure time, with the option --with-secure-path |
| 20:58.53 | formorer | have fun |
| 20:59.11 | yipe | lmao @ optimizing X |
| 20:59.11 | formorer | load: I doubt that you will be able to detect the difference |
| 20:59.29 | load | formorer: what would/might show a difference? |
| 20:59.30 | chino | this sucks |
| 20:59.32 | formorer | load: speed enhancements < 10% are not detectable by a user |
| 20:59.36 | Ferret | mvanholstyn: Overriding this is not possible, as a security feature. Looks like you'll need to either specify full path to those scripts or move/link to them from within that path |
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| 20:59.39 | mvanholstyn | Ferret: so the path sudo uses is compiled in and cannot be changed afterwards? |
| 20:59.46 | yipe | you what the best way to optimize x is? Chuck it out hte window and make a new window srve |
| 20:59.53 | yipe | X is.... insane |
| 20:59.59 | azeem | yipe: hush |
| 21:00.01 | Ferret | mvanholstyn: It certainly looks that way, I'm looking at the configuration file now to see if it can be altered. |
| 21:00.04 | formorer | yipe: change the nice level |
| 21:00.13 | Xelion | I just installed debian using the netinstall disk, and I did it all, loged in, now I'm trying to get a gui, did apt-get install xserver-xfree86 or something like that, and did the configuration, then tryed to start it with X and it gave me the error, cannot open device /dev/input/mice no such device. So my question is, what is my mouse device location? I'm on a laptop with the build in touchpad thingy. |
| 21:00.48 | chino | /dev/psaux |
| 21:00.48 | yipe | I'm not putting him down, I'm putting X down, if he can fix what's wrong with it then he'll be my new GOD |
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| 21:01.10 | Ferret | mvanholstyn: Jackpot. http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/sudo.htm |
| 21:01.11 | chino | and use /dev/mouse symlink to either one this way you dont have to restart x just change the symlink |
| 21:01.17 | formorer | yipe: try to change the nice level |
| 21:01.24 | chino | you should setup a second mouse too for usb and leave /dev/mouse pointed at /etc/psaux |
| 21:01.29 | formorer | yipe: it will be much more responsible than before |
| 21:01.41 | formorer | chino: eh no |
| 21:01.45 | Xelion | say what...? |
| 21:01.50 | formorer | Xelion: you are missing some kernel modules |
| 21:02.02 | formorer | Xelion: you need the mice eventhandler |
| 21:02.07 | yipe | anyways, anyone know what "unknown scancode e_59" means? |
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| 21:02.16 | Ferret | chino: I was under the impression that /dev/input/mice was always the best mouse device to use, being the tconcatenation of all detected mouse devices; unless you have weird laptop touchpad issues? |
| 21:02.20 | chino | well thats just the way i like to do it |
| 21:02.29 | Ferret | chino: Linus went on a ranting rampage some time ago :P |
| 21:02.48 | chino | idk i thought it was only for usb mice |
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| 21:03.31 | Ferret | yipe: It means xkb can't map the key you pressed on the keyboard (scancode) with an X keycode to send to the focussed X application. It probably means your xkb configuration is wrong. |
| 21:03.33 | abrotman | the mouse should almost always be /dev/input/mice |
| 21:03.44 | Xelion | so, I'm new to linux, and didn't understand anything you guys are sayin |
| 21:03.49 | Ferret | yipe: You have some kind of esoteric keyboard, or have you set odd xkb settings? |
| 21:03.52 | yipe | so how do I change it? |
| 21:03.54 | abrotman | Xelion: free beer! |
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| 21:04.04 | abrotman | yipe: define it |
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| 21:04.10 | mvanholstyn | Ferret: great! thanks, adding myself to the group "sudo" group allows my scripts to be found. however echoing path in sudo still does not show my custom path |
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| 21:04.35 | yipe | care to be a bit more wordy in that description? I'm not the best with this kinda thing |
| 21:05.08 | yipe | I have a wireless keyboard |
| 21:05.13 | arisv | I did an apt-get upgrade; but now I have this problem with ALSA: http://pastebin.com/745602 :any ideas? :) |
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| 21:05.23 | yipe | and by it, I mean my xkb settings |
| 21:05.37 | friedl | hi! how do i install atmelwlandriver i have the folder but i cant understand the README file |
| 21:05.42 | Ferret | mvanholstyn: OK, that's normal afaict. You've changed the PATH that is used to find the command, but upon running the command the hardcoded PATH is used. That's just a security issue you need to deal with in the script itself, I'm afraid. |
| 21:05.46 | neurocyte | arisv, yeah.. wait for the next upload :( |
| 21:05.59 | Ferret | mvanholstyn: Although, I didn't read the whole page, so perhaps there's a way of doing it. Wouldn't bet on it though. |
| 21:05.59 | neurocyte | alsa was totall borked today |
| 21:06.04 | arisv | :s |
| 21:06.17 | arisv | neurocyte: so, I will not be able to listen music till the next upload? :o |
| 21:06.21 | mvanholstyn | Ferret: I am ok with the $PATH still being tha same, as long as it can find the script |
| 21:06.21 | rrk | 2 |
| 21:06.25 | neurocyte | arisv, I downgraded to the testing version and it's working ok for me |
| 21:06.28 | mvanholstyn | Ferret: thanks alot. god bless |
| 21:06.34 | arisv | neurocyte: how?! :o |
| 21:06.44 | arisv | neurocyte: you chnanged the repositories, too? |
| 21:06.59 | Ferret | yipe: Let mu find you a link for this. |
| 21:07.00 | ic3man05 | wow this sucks, I found out my processor is 133x16.5 and i've been running it at 200x11 |
| 21:07.02 | yipe | thanks |
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| 21:07.06 | neurocyte | arisv, I always have testing in my sources list for situations like this |
| 21:07.09 | ic3man05 | no wonder I can't get it stable |
| 21:07.52 | Xelion | chino: thanks, the /dev/psaux worked |
| 21:08.05 | friedl | "make: *** No rule to make target `config'. Stop. |
| 21:08.06 | friedl | " what does this mean? |
| 21:08.14 | arisv | neurocyte: how I can downgrade it? just apt-get install alsa-base from testing? |
| 21:08.15 | chino | means there is no config |
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| 21:08.41 | friedl | so the zip file i downloaded wasn |
| 21:08.51 | neurocyte | arisv, yeah, but the problem is in libasound2, not alsa-base |
| 21:08.52 | friedl | working? or did i do something wrong |
| 21:08.57 | arisv | neurocyte: yes :) |
| 21:09.08 | chino | read the INSTALL or README files |
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| 21:09.56 | Ferret | yipe: Hmmm, this is a little difficult because xkb has changed many times recently, so no-one really knows how it works any more. :P |
| 21:11.38 | arisv | neurocyte: so, downgrade libasound2, not alsa-base |
| 21:11.51 | Xelion | kay so I started X |
| 21:11.58 | Eroick | does etch make a good desktop OS? |
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| 21:12.02 | neurocyte | arisv, yes, that's what I meant |
| 21:12.04 | Xelion | and now I have a grey screen with a mouse pointer on it |
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| 21:12.12 | Xelion | doing nothing |
| 21:12.22 | redphoenix1 | hello i am having a little trouble getting my wireless uo |
| 21:12.23 | redphoenix1 | up* |
| 21:12.34 | Xelion | how do I exit it and go back to the terminal? |
| 21:12.48 | blondie | Xelion: press ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 21:12.53 | neurocyte | Xelion, crtl-alt-backspace |
| 21:12.55 | redphoenix1 | i am using the madwifi driver and have wpa_supplicant |
| 21:13.12 | Ferret | Xelion: ctrl-alt-backspace to exit it, ctrl-alt-F1 to background it while you look at consoles |
| 21:13.14 | redphoenix1 | but my router just sits there and not do anything |
| 21:13.20 | redphoenix1 | when i have it ask for an IP |
| 21:13.37 | friedl | does linux-wlan-ng-source support 3com pcmia cards? |
| 21:14.05 | redphoenix1 | the interface is up and everything just that my router |
| 21:14.10 | redphoenix1 | i have a 2wire router |
| 21:14.36 | blondie | bah ctrl-alt-backspace always respawns |
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| 21:15.03 | Ferret | It's gnome that does that. |
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| 21:15.06 | Coweater | only if you're running a dm |
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| 21:15.10 | neurocyte | blondie, only if you have gdm or kdm running |
| 21:15.23 | Coweater | and if you do it a bunch they'll die too |
| 21:15.27 | Ferret | Horrible software. ;P |
| 21:16.38 | Col_Kernel | Is there a problem with the bts? I reported a bug more than 24 hours ago, still no confirmation message nor is it listed on the webpage. |
| 21:16.40 | Coweater | it's not horrible, generally if you run a dm you want to use it to login, otherwise you'd not use the dm |
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| 21:17.15 | streuner | Col_Kernel: did you get an confirmation mail? |
| 21:17.25 | Col_Kernel | streuner: no |
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| 21:17.48 | redphoenix1 | my router is running wpa-psk |
| 21:18.00 | redphoenix1 | i have the right pass in the /etc/wpa* |
| 21:18.06 | streuner | Col_Kernel: check the logs of the SMTP server you send the bugreport... |
| 21:18.20 | neurocyte | Col_Kernel, I think all the debian mail systems are bogged down atm for some reason |
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| 21:19.03 | Col_Kernel | streuner: I used smtp.debian.org |
| 21:19.27 | tuxedup | if I was to completely install a new hdd (blank just purchased) into my system. Could I go and install debian straight again. Would the debian installer create the actural mbr part on the hdd due to it not existing at present, or would I need to create the mbr manually first then use the debian installer to create my partitions? |
| 21:19.34 | Col_Kernel | neurocyte: but 24 hours delay? |
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| 21:20.15 | neurocyte | Col_Kernel, I've had delays of 48 hours in the last few days |
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| 21:20.26 | streuner | Col_Kernel: no, but what SMTP server you used... |
| 21:20.36 | azeem | tuxedup: just boot the CD and point it to the harddisk to install Debian on it |
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| 21:21.33 | tuxedup | so the the installer would deal with creating the actuaral mbr part of the disk so that later in the instlal I could install the boot loader ot it? |
| 21:21.51 | Xelion | something is seriously wrong with my mouse |
| 21:21.56 | streuner | Col_Kernel: you don't sent your mails over smtp.debian.org, do you? :-) |
| 21:21.56 | Col_Kernel | streuner: I used smtp.debian.org - I can't check its logs ..., but maybe neurocyte explained it already |
| 21:22.11 | streuner | hm |
| 21:22.17 | Col_Kernel | streuner: not all, only reportbug is configured to use smtp.d.o |
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| 21:23.35 | yipe | that's very frustrating ferret |
| 21:23.54 | Xelion | can anyone explain how to get a laptop mouse to work in x |
| 21:24.29 | neurocyte | Xelion, it should "just work" like any other mouse |
| 21:24.36 | neurocyte | Xelion, what's the problem? |
| 21:24.44 | Xelion | well it's not 'just working' |
| 21:25.00 | Xelion | it doesn't work really, I try to move it and the pointer goes all over |
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| 21:25.32 | neurocyte | Xelion, sounds like you've got the wrong mouse protocol selected |
| 21:25.44 | yipe | is there no congif utility or something for xkb? |
| 21:25.56 | amphi | Xelion: you have gpm running? |
| 21:25.57 | Xelion | how can I find out which one is the right one? |
| 21:26.05 | streuner | Col_Kernel: there aren't any BTS (server) problems actually, nobody knows about... |
| 21:26.07 | Xelion | amphi no idea |
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| 21:26.27 | Eroick | does Debian Etch make a good desktop distro? |
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| 21:26.57 | yipe | Eroick are you a beginner with linux? |
| 21:27.00 | streuner | sure, what CPU do you have? |
| 21:27.03 | Eroick | yipe: nope |
| 21:27.12 | yipe | then definitely |
| 21:27.14 | neurocyte | Xelion, what does the Option "Protocol" line in the mouse section of your xorg.conf say? |
| 21:28.15 | neurocyte | Eroick, define good |
| 21:28.19 | Eroick | the target system is a AMD T-Bird @ 1ghz w/ 256 Cache. 256MB ram. |
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| 21:28.37 | yipe | Ferret I just realised something important about my keyboard problem |
| 21:28.43 | yipe | we're looking at xkb |
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| 21:28.52 | yipe | but my error occurs in the TTY |
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| 21:29.02 | Ferret | yipe: Oh! hehe |
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| 21:29.04 | Eroick | im thinking of running xfce. I find fluxbox a bit too minimalistic and KDE/Gnome too bloated. |
| 21:29.05 | Xelion | neurocyte: ImPS/2 |
| 21:29.05 | yipe | with X not even running |
| 21:29.26 | yipe | in fact, so far I haven't been able to get X running, but I figured first things first you know? |
| 21:29.37 | Ferret | yipe: have a look around he loadkeys and dumpkeys man pages. TTY is much more simple for these things |
| 21:29.38 | yipe | I can't fix it from the command line with no keyboard |
| 21:29.52 | Ferret | yipe: Although, there are less helpful tools in console for such issues |
| 21:30.02 | neurocyte | Eroick, xfce is good, fluxbox might be better with 256Mb ram though |
| 21:30.18 | Eroick | Anyway, Ive been running debian stable on a server for years. Ive never had a problem with it. Does Etch have new packages? |
| 21:30.29 | Ferret | yipe: Woah, back up... your keyboard doesn't function at all? I though these were just annoying error messages getting in the way. |
| 21:30.50 | yipe | it functions, but it's pretty hard to do anything with these errors |
| 21:31.00 | Eroick | neurocyte: well xfce is much better than KDE/Gnome with 256 mb ram :P |
| 21:31.04 | yipe | you can't even tell what you've written |
| 21:31.13 | neurocyte | Eroick, no kidding ;) |
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| 21:31.32 | stoned | hello |
| 21:31.34 | Eroick | neurocyte: like, 100x better performance :) |
| 21:31.40 | Xelion | neurocyte: did you see my message eariler? |
| 21:31.42 | stoned | I couldn't deal with sarge |
| 21:31.55 | stoned | back on sid again, need some help cutting back down on disk space |
| 21:32.32 | stoned | I want to install basic xserver-xorg and nv driver and whatever bre minimum it needs. Even x-window-system-core wants to install all sorts of drivers and extra crap I don't want |
| 21:32.46 | stoned | what should I do? |
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| 21:33.45 | streuner | stoned: read sid faq? |
| 21:33.46 | Eroick | If I have a debian sarge CD, but I want etch, should I: A) Get a new CD B) install the old sarge (when it was testing) and then dist-upgrade to etch? |
| 21:34.05 | arisv | neurocyte: when the next upload will be available? |
| 21:34.32 | nkuttler | Eroick: just install a minimal sarge and upgrade it |
| 21:34.42 | stoned | streuner: how is that going to help me? |
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| 21:35.01 | Eroick | nkuttler: then get X and the like? |
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| 21:35.20 | stoned | I don't need help running sid, I need help with figuring out which packages would provide the MOSTBARE minimum X |
| 21:35.23 | nkuttler | Eroick: after the upgrade, yes |
| 21:35.49 | streuner | stoned: how much HD space do you have? |
| 21:35.49 | azeem | stoned: more bare than x-window-system-core? |
| 21:36.00 | neurocyte | arisv, tomorrow it seems http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=369435 |
| 21:36.11 | stoned | 250gb |
| 21:36.12 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:36.19 | streuner | forget it then |
| 21:36.23 | stoned | lol |
| 21:36.25 | stoned | just curious man |
| 21:36.27 | stoned | :D |
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| 21:36.55 | Eroick | nkuttler: so, install minimal then edit sources.list (or whatever that file is called) so that it reflects etch, not sarge. apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 21:37.10 | streuner | oh, i misread it, s/Gb/Mb/ ;-) |
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| 21:37.51 | streuner | stoned: well, remove *pr0N* first ... ;-) |
| 21:37.52 | phaedrus_ | any advice on a good ftp client with gui? |
| 21:37.59 | azeem | 250MB wouldn't be that bad |
| 21:38.02 | stoned | hee |
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| 21:39.03 | neurocyte | Xelion, try changing the protocol to "ExplorerPS/2", that might help |
| 21:39.45 | streuner | stoned: i don't get it, you have 250 Gigs and asking what packages you can install? |
| 21:39.47 | stoned | f |
| 21:39.50 | stoned | doh |
| 21:39.52 | stoned | fucking keyboard |
| 21:39.53 | stoned | sorry |
| 21:40.14 | stoned | streuner: just wondering how people actually setup stuff like damn small inux |
| 21:40.24 | stoned | cuz that is damn small, but has an X system too right |
| 21:40.32 | azeem | stoned: what's the point? |
| 21:40.33 | stoned | default sarge install is over 100mb |
| 21:40.46 | azeem | if you want something damn small, then don't use the default Debian |
| 21:40.46 | stoned | so I was wandering how one could have the smallest debian intall with X possible |
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| 21:41.16 | Angels2 | some people do have too much time in life |
| 21:41.45 | Eroick | if you want something damn small, use Damn Small Linux, feather linux or slax |
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| 21:41.59 | Eroick | sorry, not slax. puppy. |
| 21:42.00 | stoned | I don't want those, I want debian, but damn small |
| 21:42.01 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:42.17 | Ferret | stoned: Install knoppix on your hard-drive. That's basically the same. At least, it's close |
| 21:42.25 | stoned | ugh no |
| 21:42.29 | Ferret | :) |
| 21:42.47 | Eroick | stoned: Damn Small is based on Debian |
| 21:42.56 | samuel | do you NEED to be root in order to create a user? |
| 21:43.04 | streuner | yes |
| 21:43.16 | Eroick | samuel: yes, or a sudoer |
| 21:43.20 | Ferret | samuel: You need to have permissions on the passwd file, so basically... yes |
| 21:43.43 | samuel | streuner, so if a user is new and i didnt make it chances are ive got problems? |
| 21:43.46 | Xelion | neurocyte I changed it, but it's still doing the same things |
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| 21:43.57 | Eroick | or, if the passwd and shadow files are world writable |
| 21:43.58 | stoned | nevermind it man, don't worry about it |
| 21:44.19 | Eroick | samuel: what is it called? |
| 21:44.26 | samuel | test |
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| 21:44.48 | neurocyte | Xelion, try "auto" instead then, maybe X can figure it out by itself |
| 21:45.01 | Eroick | samuel: are you SURE you didn't make it? |
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| 21:45.17 | redphoenix1 | hmm any way to make kde translucent stuff use my vid card? |
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| 21:45.51 | samuel | Eroick, im POSITIVE i didnt make it twice after removing it twice |
| 21:45.53 | redphoenix1 | its not using the vid card |
| 21:46.05 | samuel | Eroick, im also sure i didnt log in with the user |
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| 21:47.05 | samuel | whois Eroick |
| 21:50.45 | Xelion | :) thanks neurocyte |
| 21:50.45 | Eroick | does debian create a user called test? |
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| 21:50.45 | saloxin | whats a nice ftp server for setting up non-system users? pref in a chroot |
| 21:50.45 | neurocyte | Eroick, not that I've ever seen |
| 21:50.46 | mattt | anyone know if running X via vmware on a windows host will work? |
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| 21:50.47 | neurocyte | mattex, yes it will |
| 21:50.48 | neurocyte | sorry, mattt |
| 21:50.48 | mattt | cool :) |
| 21:50.48 | mattt | neuro: thanks m8 |
| 21:50.52 | samuel | Eroick, are there any exploits where users can be created? |
| 21:51.02 | Eroick | samuel: not that I know of |
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| 21:53.55 | stoned | bbl |
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| 21:54.17 | samuel | Eroick, what i find odd is that i seriously doubt they guessed the root password... AND only place to login with root is local, ssh does not take remote logins with root |
| 21:54.49 | Eroick | samuel: do you have sudo installed? |
| 21:55.10 | samuel | Eroick, yes |
| 21:55.10 | Eroick | samuel: then they dont need to be root |
| 21:55.18 | samuel | but i have very few commands in the sudoers |
| 21:55.34 | Eroick | samuel: do you have an editor? |
| 21:55.47 | samuel | nano? |
| 21:56.06 | Eroick | samuel: is it in the sudoers file? |
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| 21:56.43 | samuel | Eroick, only firestarter is in the sudoers |
| 21:56.44 | shibathedog | im almost done, i got my wireless card installed using NDIS wrapper, but i need help configuring it |
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| 21:57.16 | Eroick | samuel: then i doubt that it was an attack |
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| 21:57.34 | shibathedog | i tried ifup and it says its already configured, and when i use the Control Center it wont connect to my router |
| 21:58.26 | mentor | Eroick: Local exploits are usually more prevalent than remote ones. It may be relatively easy to escalate to local root |
| 21:58.31 | azeem | shibathedog: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:59.10 | shibathedog | hang on lemme try that |
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| 22:00.14 | shibathedog | Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/network/interfaces" -- using "application/*" |
| 22:00.14 | shibathedog | Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*" |
| 22:00.18 | shibathedog | thats what it said |
| 22:00.40 | azeem | shibathedog: use another editor then |
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| 22:01.42 | Eroick | samuel: yeah, did anyone have local access to your computer? |
| 22:01.48 | shibathedog | okay i got it open and it says |
| 22:01.55 | shibathedog | This file describes the network interfaces available on your system |
| 22:01.55 | shibathedog | # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). |
| 22:01.55 | shibathedog | # The loopback network interface |
| 22:01.56 | shibathedog | auto lo |
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| 22:02.07 | Eroick | samuel: and do you have single user mode as an option in grub or lilo? |
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| 22:02.46 | samuel | Eroick, it was done by sshd... auth.log shows root login attempts from yesterday night, thing is my root pw is 4 random letters and 4 random numbers |
| 22:02.55 | sabin | can anyone tell me how to downgrade a package, on the unstable status wiki it says libasound2 is broken and i need to downgrade, i just don't know how |
| 22:03.11 | abrotman | sabin: man dpkg |
| 22:03.17 | streuner | sabin: get the package out of testing |
| 22:03.30 | streuner | sabin: wget and use dpkg -i package |
| 22:03.31 | Eroick | samuel: that would be hard to brute force. does anyone know your password? |
| 22:03.44 | samuel | Eroick, not that i know |
| 22:03.49 | sabin | that sounded wrong |
| 22:03.51 | streuner | sabin: or just get the package out of incoming.debian.org |
| 22:03.59 | streuner | -7 |
| 22:04.03 | Eroick | samuel: maybe someone keylogged you |
| 22:04.21 | Eroick | where can i get the ndiswrapper deb from windows? I need it to get network access. |
| 22:04.23 | sabin | streuner, hmm maybe i should wait... don't mirrors usually sync around this time |
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| 22:04.35 | streuner | incoming.d.o is |
| 22:04.36 | samuel | Eroick, hmmm.... thats a thought |
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| 22:05.46 | load | how can I get pbuilder to use a different version of a build-dep |
| 22:05.48 | Eroick | how can i watch what the installer is doiing? |
| 22:06.19 | sabin | thanks guys I appreciate the prompt help... and it's awesome that the wiki was linked in the topic, it's very useful (I didn't know it existed) |
| 22:06.19 | neurocyte | Eroick, press alt-F4 |
| 22:06.32 | jlaw | gdn8@all |
| 22:06.38 | jlaw | !sleep |
| 22:06.38 | dpkg | i heard sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... |
| 22:06.42 | jlaw | ^^ |
| 22:06.44 | Eroick | neurocyte: ah, i knew it was running somewhere. |
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| 22:06.55 | Eroick | is debian.org down? I cant get to it. |
| 22:07.04 | abrotman | nope |
| 22:07.43 | Eroick | !test |
| 22:07.43 | dpkg | No, eroick, you're not online any more. |
| 22:07.46 | Eroick | damn |
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| 22:09.17 | karma_ | Can I create an ISO9660 image file from a data CD with k3b? |
| 22:09.23 | karma_ | If not what is a good tool to do that? |
| 22:09.41 | redphoenix1 | why would having flash installed make my browser crash? |
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| 22:10.12 | shibathedog | can anyone help me? |
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| 22:11.57 | Eroick | I only have an internet connection on an only windows laptop. I need to get NDISwrapper over to my debian system. How can I do this? |
| 22:12.06 | load | karma_: try mkisofs |
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| 22:12.11 | mattt | Eroick: floppy, cd? |
| 22:12.11 | neurocyte | karma_, dd is probably the easiest if you don't mind using the command line, just "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cd_image.iso" |
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| 22:12.25 | karma_ | Thanks |
| 22:12.51 | neurocyte | Eroick, "Internet connection sharing"? |
| 22:12.52 | Red_Cloud | I am having trouble upgrading the havp package. It must have a bug. I have googled to find how to resolve my problem of this package being not fully installed and not fully removed. Whenever I run dpkg -s havp its status is half-configured. I have tried to dpkg --force-all --purge havp but get no positive results. How do I resolve this? |
| 22:12.52 | tuxedup | I have a blank hdd never been used before, when instlling debian, will the installer automatically make the actural mbr part on the hdd for me, or would I need to use the fdisk/mbr command first then create partitions. Secondly is a/boot partition used for when a user does not sih to install the bootloader to the mbr? |
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| 22:13.19 | mattt | tuxedup: the cd installer will do that for you. |
| 22:13.34 | Eroick | mattt: where do I get the package from? |
| 22:13.57 | mattt | Eroick: oh, i dunno ... use the source? :) |
| 22:14.15 | shibathedog | i really need help configuring my wireless card im lost |
| 22:14.19 | mattt | Eroick: i'm installing debian right now too, so i can't tell you if ndiswrapper is available via apt-get. |
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| 22:14.48 | Eroick | mattt: the source is |
| 22:14.58 | Eroick | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 22:14.58 | dpkg | ndiswrapper one-liner is, like, apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 22:15.17 | Eroick | but I need build essential and module assistant |
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| 22:19.51 | karma_ | load: How would I take a data CD in hdc and dump it to an ISO image file using mkisofs? |
| 22:20.25 | dondelelcaro | karma_: you mean a directory on your harddrive and create an iso image from it? |
| 22:20.28 | mbishop | Can someone help me fix alsa? I use unstable and the latest libasound2 seems to have broke |
| 22:20.44 | streuner | mbishop: get the package out of incoming |
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| 22:20.48 | load | karma_: I think it would be mkisofs -o file.iso /mnt/hdc |
| 22:20.56 | beardy | karma_: You don't. It's already .iso, use dd(1). |
| 22:21.02 | shibathedog | can anyone help me config my wireless card |
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| 22:21.06 | neurocyte | karma_, use dd |
| 22:21.08 | mbishop | streuner: link? |
| 22:21.21 | karma_ | dondelelcaro: No, I mean I have a data CD inserted into /dev/hdc mounted on /media/cdrom0 and I'd like to dump it;s filesystem into an ISO file on my HDD |
| 22:21.37 | streuner | mbishop: incoming.d.o |
| 22:21.38 | beardy | karma_: unmount, and use dd |
| 22:21.46 | mbishop | streuner: thanks |
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| 22:22.00 | neurocyte | karma_, "dd if=/dev/hdc of=output_iso_image.iso" |
| 22:22.01 | phogg | It used to be that if I said for example #!ls I would have the last ls command repeated with a comment in front of it. This had the effect of moving it up to the top of my history list and allowing me to easily modify the command line. Today I noticed that bash no longer behaves this way. Can anyone tell me when this changed or how to get the old behavior back? |
| 22:22.11 | karma_ | Hmm, if and of? |
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| 22:22.19 | beardy | karma_: man dd |
| 22:22.21 | karma_ | Is that explained in the man page? I mean why if and of... |
| 22:22.26 | karma_ | okay thanks |
| 22:22.35 | beardy | karma_: inputfile and outputfile |
| 22:22.42 | karma_ | Oohh, duh |
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| 22:23.21 | dondelelcaro | phogg: that'll just repeat the last ls command. |
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| 22:23.31 | dondelelcaro | phogg: if you want to see the last ls command, use !ls:p |
| 22:23.54 | phogg | dondelelcaro: !ls repeats the last ls, #!ls should repeat the last ls commented out. |
| 22:24.02 | beardy | phogg: Or Ctrl-r type "ls" |
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| 22:24.17 | phogg | dondelelcaro: your answer is much longer to type, but thanks. |
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| 22:24.53 | Flynth | hi, did anyone manage to get mysql-workbench working on debian? google doesn't seem to have an answer. |
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| 22:25.47 | stoned | my X wont' start because of some core pointer device not found. Also, /etc/init.d/gpm start gives the error that no such device in /dev/input/mice. same error with X, /dev/input/mice don't exist, but its there in /dev/input/ |
| 22:25.49 | dondelelcaro | phogg: all history modifying commands start with !. It's possible that you have an alias that was doing something else though |
| 22:26.03 | stoned | mouse is properly connected |
| 22:26.12 | stoned | imps2 mouse usually |
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| 22:26.48 | phogg | dondelelcaro: Not as far as I can remember but I'll see if I can reproduce the behavior with a alias. |
| 22:27.23 | stoned | what should/can I do about this mouse problem |
| 22:28.07 | stoned | says /dev/input/mice: No such device. |
| 22:28.19 | streuner | modprobe mousedev |
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| 22:28.36 | stoned | bah |
| 22:28.37 | streuner | and put the module into /etc/modules :-) |
| 22:28.56 | stoned | I thought I had already, I updated the kernel and restarted |
| 22:28.58 | stoned | it stopped working |
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| 22:29.01 | stoned | thanks though |
| 22:29.04 | stoned | I appreciate it |
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| 22:31.06 | stoned | lol, now it says user unauthorized to run X server |
| 22:31.40 | stoned | its looking for /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config not finding it |
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| 22:32.18 | dondelelcaro | stoned: you need to reinstall xserver-common with --force-confmiss |
| 22:32.24 | dondelelcaro | !tell stoned -about confmiss |
| 22:32.56 | stoned | thats not the problem, package depends are broken |
| 22:33.11 | stoned | it never got installed to begin with :( |
| 22:33.28 | dondelelcaro | stoned: then fix the package dependencies, or tell us what the output is so we can help you |
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| 22:33.36 | stoned | yeh, I am, hold on, thanks |
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| 22:33.46 | dondelelcaro | the missing xwrapper then could also be because the x11-common postinst hadn't run yet |
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| 22:34.36 | stoned | ok, installed the package. It was saying xserver-common depends on x11-common but wont be installed. I installed the x11-common package |
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| 22:36.55 | phogg | Seems that it's a bash 2.x thing, but not a bash 3.x thing |
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| 22:39.17 | dondelelcaro | hrm... it's probably even a bug in bash 2 then, because it's not documented |
| 22:39.23 | GaiaX11 | I have tried to connect to another machine through ssh, but without any succes. Do i have to change anything in /etc/ssh/ssh_config and in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. All the lines are commented. |
| 22:39.42 | dondelelcaro | since starting a line with # should cause the rest of the line to be ignored |
| 22:40.08 | phogg | dondelelcaro: I'd call it merely an undocumented feature. It has the flavor of the deliberate. |
| 22:40.43 | phogg | now to restore the behavior to bash3, if possible. .. |
| 22:40.49 | dondelelcaro | FE, in 3, you can get similar behavoir with \#ls:p |
| 22:41.01 | dondelelcaro | s/ls/!&/ |
| 22:41.03 | streuner | GaiaX11: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:42.19 | phogg | dondelelcaro: can you? That command does nothing for me. |
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| 22:42.29 | dondelelcaro | phogg: \#!ls:p |
| 22:42.44 | dondelelcaro | phogg: the # has to be escaped, because otherwise it's a comment, and the entire line should be ignored. |
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| 22:42.53 | GaiaX11 | streuner, where can i paste the results? |
| 22:42.59 | triavox | astronut you be alive yet? |
| 22:43.09 | dondelelcaro | phogg: the bug is that bash2 wasn't seeing it as a comment, and would do the expansion anyway |
| 22:43.15 | phogg | dondelelcaro: yes, that works. Kind of a mouthful, though, |
| 22:43.17 | streuner | GaiaX11: it should be one line... |
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| 22:43.27 | phogg | dondelelcaro: well damn it it was a useful bug! |
| 22:43.38 | dondelelcaro | phogg: *shrug* |
| 22:43.51 | phogg | although I guess in some places you really don't want history expanded in comments... |
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| 22:44.02 | sergiol | hello |
| 22:44.22 | sergiol | quick, what means rc inthe output of dpkg? |
| 22:44.29 | sergiol | and pn? |
| 22:44.37 | azeem | !rc |
| 22:44.37 | dpkg | it has been said that rc is for Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
| 22:44.42 | azeem | blah |
| 22:44.47 | GaiaX11 | streuner, | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-conf ig/Half-installed |
| 22:44.47 | GaiaX11 | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Sta tus,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 22:44.50 | dondelelcaro | sergiol: it says in the header. removed, config-files, and purged, notinstalled. |
| 22:45.15 | dondelelcaro | GaiaX11: you wanted the line above that |
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| 22:45.44 | sergiol | i can not undesratnd the haeader |
| 22:45.58 | sergiol | i can not understand the header |
| 22:46.04 | GaiaX11 | dondelelcaro, Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 22:46.15 | dondelelcaro | sergiol: there are three lines. They tell you what the first three characters of the status mean |
| 22:46.53 | streuner | ii libc6 2.3.6-9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:46.56 | sergiol | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 22:46.56 | sergiol | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 22:46.56 | sergiol | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
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| 22:46.58 | streuner | GaiaX11: ^^^^ |
| 22:47.14 | streuner | GaiaX11: the version line 2.x.x |
| 22:47.15 | Red_Cloud | How do I mount a file system? |
| 22:47.17 | dondelelcaro | sergiol: yes... |
| 22:47.22 | dondelelcaro | Red_Cloud: with mount |
| 22:47.32 | dondelelcaro | Red_Cloud: mount /dev/foo /mnt/bar |
| 22:47.35 | beardy | Red_Cloud: man mount |
| 22:47.41 | sergiol | where is the meaning of pn? |
| 22:47.48 | Red_Cloud | dondelelcaro and beardy thanks. |
| 22:47.51 | dondelelcaro | sergiol: purged, not-installed. |
| 22:47.52 | streuner | GaiaX11: /exec -o dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 22:48.04 | GaiaX11 | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 GNU C Library: Shared |
| 22:48.12 | beardy | heh |
| 22:48.15 | dondelelcaro | sergiol: p=Purge n == Not/Installed |
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| 22:48.56 | streuner | GaiaX11: and why are asking you in #debian then? |
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| 22:49.29 | stoned | my fonts in X look horribly grainy, so I thought I'd enable hinting. I did dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig, even tried it with -plow but still it won't give me any options, it just regenerated the font cache |
| 22:49.42 | GaiaX11 | streuner, ubuntu is debian-based |
| 22:49.44 | sergiol | do The uppercase initials match the abbreviatures i see lowercase in listing? |
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| 22:49.56 | beardy | !debian-based |
| 22:49.56 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 22:49.59 | GaiaX11 | I use the two systems |
| 22:50.25 | beardy | GaiaX11: Just /join #ubuntu |
| 22:50.27 | sergiol | ok thanks |
| 22:50.31 | sergiol | exit |
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| 22:51.07 | stoned | how can I enable font smoothing? in kde the antialiasing is enabled, but still really grainy fonts |
| 22:51.11 | ricky_clarkson | !netinstall |
| 22:51.12 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 22:51.32 | GaiaX11 | beardy, Linux is a community. |
| 22:51.40 | stoned | fontconfig is being a pain it wont' give me any options just automatically regenerates the font cache |
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| 22:52.20 | streuner | GaiaX11: true, but keep in mind we don't know ubuntu very well, you said all lines are commented, in debian they arent... |
| 22:52.24 | azeem | GaiaX11: please accept that people in here might not help you with issues on Ubuntu |
| 22:52.46 | ricky_clarkson | Looking at those instructions, it seems that if I want to connect via dial-up, I should use the full Debian ISO, not the netinstall. Yes/No/Cancel? |
| 22:52.56 | ricky_clarkson | s/dial-up/wireless/ |
| 22:53.28 | azeem | ricky_clarkson: for wireless, netinst should be enough |
| 22:53.38 | azeem | or maybe even businesscard, dunno |
| 22:53.49 | ricky_clarkson | azeem: The netinst instructions say that WLAN is not supported. Is WLAN wireless? |
| 22:53.53 | azeem | ricky_clarkson: unless maybe you need WPA or some VPN |
| 22:53.57 | azeem | hrm |
| 22:53.57 | Red_Cloud | Here is my problem: I upgrade havp. It does not fully install. I cannot get it to uninstall, purge, or install. It is hung up. With apt-get -f upgrade havp I get the result: Filesystem not supporting mandatory locks! On Linux, you need to mount filesystem with "-o mand". But I know absolutely nothing about mounting a filesystem. Any suggestions? |
| 22:54.05 | azeem | ricky_clarkson: ok, if the manual says so, why do you ask? :P |
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| 22:54.28 | ricky_clarkson | azeem: Just checking in case there is another option. |
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| 22:56.23 | Eroick | I dont have network access and I need to do some compiling. Im guessing that I cant just get build-essenial. What should I do? Is it possible to bridge a connection from a windows computer to a linux one over a ethernet cable? if so, how? |
| 22:56.45 | azeem | Eroick: setup Internet Conncetion Sharing on Windows |
| 22:56.53 | azeem | ask somewhere else for specific help on that |
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| 22:57.27 | Eroick | azeem: ok, thanks. Its windows, im sure i can guess at it |
| 22:57.29 | azeem | Eroick: use private IPs like 192.168.1.1 for the ethernet connection |
| 22:57.40 | mikygee | hello, I use gaim and i'd like aspell to check my french and english spelling |
| 22:57.40 | azeem | and set the Windows box as the gateway for the Linux box |
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| 22:57.52 | Eroick | ok, now I have to kill my internet connection.bye |
| 22:57.55 | mikygee | it does only check for french |
| 22:58.57 | beardy | mikygee: Isn't it better to type slower? |
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| 22:59.25 | ricky_clarkson | beardy++ |
| 22:59.36 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: use the ! operator if you want the karma to count |
| 22:59.50 | ricky_clarkson | peterS!++ |
| 22:59.58 | streuner | haha |
| 23:00.02 | azeem | !ricky_clarkson-- |
| 23:00.16 | ricky_clarkson | !karma ricky_clarkson |
| 23:00.16 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson has karma of 2 |
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| 23:00.42 | ricky_clarkson | peterS: It's been a while, couldn't remember whether blootbot did that. |
| 23:01.06 | peterS | right, last I knew, it doesn't in general sniff traffic that doesn't use the trigger char |
| 23:01.24 | streuner | karma is a good thing, because user decide. |
| 23:01.29 | ricky_clarkson | peterS: I'm on a channel whose bot does, and I prefer that behaviour. |
| 23:01.32 | peterS | other bots do, so it'd probably be nice if dpkg did too |
| 23:01.32 | beardy | so, do you want to give me karma or not? |
| 23:01.45 | peterS | !beardy++ |
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| 23:02.02 | ricky_clarkson | beardy: Not really, your suggestion was funny but not helpful. |
| 23:02.06 | streuner | and they are often right. |
| 23:02.18 | azeem | streuner: as opposed to helix! |
| 23:02.40 | streuner | !karma helix |
| 23:02.40 | dpkg | helix has karma of 10 |
| 23:02.43 | streuner | oh |
| 23:02.43 | samuel | is there something like apt-get.org for amd64 systems? |
| 23:02.52 | abrotman | yeah .. apt-get.org |
| 23:02.58 | peterS | samuel: apt-get.org doesn't include amd64 stuff? I would expect it to |
| 23:03.03 | GaiaX11 | Ok. Sorry guys. |
| 23:03.08 | samuel | ONLY for 64 systems that may be abit more complete |
| 23:03.16 | abrotman | peterS!!!!!!!! |
| 23:03.22 | azeem | I don't think apt-get.org sources are autobuilt in general |
| 23:03.26 | peterS | abrotman: hey, I didn't see you in mexico |
| 23:03.29 | samuel | peterS, it does, but it seems there is not much there |
| 23:03.33 | peterS | abrotman: I even asked damog what he had done wrong |
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| 23:03.57 | abrotman | peterS: i saw you .. |
| 23:04.03 | abrotman | noone noticed me ... |
| 23:04.04 | stoned | dpkg-reconfigure font-config is supposed to give me an options dialog right, where I can specify which kind of antialiasing to do, and if I want bitmap fonts enabled by default or no. It won't give any options it just regenerates the font cache. Can anyone please tell me WTF is going on? I even tried it with the -plow switch |
| 23:04.09 | ricky_clarkson | I still think it's a shame that greycat and bob2 made an exodus. |
| 23:04.11 | peterS | abrotman: eh? where? when? |
| 23:04.12 | abrotman | i was in disguise .. as a "local business woman" |
| 23:04.19 | beardy | mikygee: Do you have the english dictionaries installed? Is there something to toggle in gaim, for which languages you want checked? |
| 23:04.33 | peterS | ahh, ok. if you were the local businesswoman I'm thinking of, you didn't exactly go unnoticed |
| 23:04.43 | abrotman | but you didn't know it was abrotman! |
| 23:04.47 | peterS | true |
| 23:04.59 | peterS | she wasn't wearing the famous hat |
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| 23:05.08 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: afaik .. they left for different reasons .. and afaik .. noone knows what happened to bob2 |
| 23:05.13 | stoned | er.. s/font-config/fontconfig |
| 23:05.14 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: did you know that bob2 have a gf...? |
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| 23:05.29 | stoned | could someone please tell me something its the 4th time I'm asking |
| 23:05.31 | stoned | :( |
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| 23:05.38 | streuner | well, cafuego told us, he's ok. |
| 23:05.42 | ricky_clarkson | I thought bob2 started working for an Ubuntu-based company - he was in #ubuntu for a while before disappearing. |
| 23:05.51 | abrotman | peterS: i should have worn the hat to the baseball game i went to |
| 23:05.56 | Coweater | mikygee: you we're already referenced to the gaim faq about this, your answer is there |
| 23:05.59 | peterS | abrotman: definitely |
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| 23:06.26 | abrotman | peterS: maybe we can have DC8 in philly! :) |
| 23:06.30 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: A rock star ate my hamster. Or did you have a specific question? |
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| 23:06.44 | stoned | ricky_clarkson: for the 5th goddamn time |
| 23:06.45 | peterS | abrotman: that's a thought. unfortunately, there are many people afraid to travel to the US, thanks to the Lesson of Dmitry |
| 23:06.52 | stoned | dpkg-reconfigure font-config is supposed to give me an options dialog right, where I can specify which kind of antialiasing to do, and if I want bitmap fonts enabled by default or no. It won't give any options it just regenerates the font cache. Can anyone please tell me WTF is going on? I even tried it with the -plow switch |
| 23:06.56 | mikygee | Coweater ok |
| 23:06.56 | beardy | this can be fun |
| 23:07.04 | abrotman | peterS: eh .. i think they're all crazy |
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| 23:07.18 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: bugs.debian.org or something. |
| 23:07.18 | peterS | abrotman: you can get arrested for showing up in this country, that's not a threat to take lightly |
| 23:07.27 | stoned | ahh, its buggy |
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| 23:07.36 | stoned | I thought maybe I was doing something wrong |
| 23:07.38 | abrotman | peterS: assuming you've done something to get arrested for .. which afaik .. none of them have |
| 23:07.40 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: No idea, I haven't used Debian much for a while. |
| 23:07.51 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: But that's a good place to look. |
| 23:07.55 | peterS | abrotman: Dmitry Sklyarov hadn't done anything, except to piss off Adobe. that turned out to be enough. |
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| 23:08.08 | peterS | abrotman: he spent several months in prison here before they got him out and sent back home to Russia |
| 23:08.19 | stoned | ok, anyone who uses debian wanna help me |
| 23:08.22 | stoned | ? |
| 23:08.24 | abrotman | peterS: iirc .. he reverse engineered something ... |
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| 23:08.33 | beardy | abrotman: You need to be president, or have a revolution or similar first. |
| 23:08.46 | stoned | hehe, abrotman as president |
| 23:08.50 | peterS | abrotman: actually I think he just worked around Adobe's DRM scheme, didn't actually reverse engineer anything, really |
| 23:08.59 | azeem | stoned: check /var/log/dpkg/info/fontconfig.* for .templates and/or .config |
| 23:09.01 | abrotman | beardy: if i were president .. i'd . i'd .. i'd make yuengling the national beverage! |
| 23:09.07 | azeem | if there are none, then there's probably no debconf |
| 23:09.07 | stoned | azeem: OK |
| 23:09.24 | azeem | actually, libfontconfig* I guess |
| 23:09.28 | beardy | abrotman: :) |
| 23:09.31 | abrotman | peterS: eh .. yes .. i believe that's right .. oh well .. i think the DD would know if he's done something questionable |
| 23:09.32 | peterS | abrotman: anyway, it's not anything he figured he'd be prosecuted for, or of course he never would have come. there are lots of people who live in other countries who figure the same could easily happen to them. I don't blame them a bit, it did look pretty arbitrary |
| 23:09.45 | abrotman | peterS: i'll get them out! |
| 23:09.48 | azeem | ah, no, fontconfig |
| 23:09.55 | stoned | huh |
| 23:10.15 | stoned | azeem: there is no /var/log/dpkg/ there is only /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:10.17 | abrotman | peterS: we'll post bail .. and send them to maine .. give them a moose costume. .. and show them the border |
| 23:10.28 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.36 | check | hello usa |
| 23:10.44 | peterS | abrotman: that's still a little bit inconvenient. speaking of having trouble getting away, has anyone heard from toresbe in the past week? |
| 23:10.44 | dondelelcaro | stoned: you mean dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig; right? |
| 23:10.49 | stoned | yes |
| 23:10.58 | check | from france |
| 23:10.59 | abrotman | peterS: sure ... why? |
| 23:11.02 | stoned | it doesn't give me an options box, neither will the priority low switch |
| 23:11.11 | abrotman | peterS: what did tore do ? |
| 23:11.19 | FinnTux | deadcat, looks like we have libasound2 -7 now :) |
| 23:11.31 | azeem | peterS: I think pixie mentioned he was fine in LA |
| 23:11.32 | peterS | abrotman: last I saw him he was getting ready to fly to LA, but he'd had a lot of trouble at the airport getting stuff organised, I wanted to hear for sure that he'd actually managed to get to LA |
| 23:11.33 | azeem | but not sure |
| 23:11.38 | peterS | azeem: ah, good |
| 23:11.41 | beardy | abrotman: Perhaps he has oil? |
| 23:12.00 | abrotman | peterS: apparently .. though .. he's apparently reverse engineered a VAX! |
| 23:12.06 | peterS | hehe |
| 23:12.09 | abrotman | peterS: he was in #-ot a few hours ago |
| 23:12.25 | stoned | dondelelcaro: yes, I mean dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig. It won't give me any options at all, it just regenerates the font cache, no matter what I do |
| 23:12.34 | peterS | good, good. it was one snag after another, for his travel arrangements. glad to hear it came out ok |
| 23:12.36 | dondelelcaro | stoned: it's fontconfig-config |
| 23:12.43 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:12.51 | streuner | peterS: i didn't see you at debconf? |
| 23:12.55 | stoned | oh jesus thanks |
| 23:13.00 | stoned | I mean you're not jesus but him too |
| 23:13.01 | stoned | doh |
| 23:13.02 | streuner | peterS: but you were there? |
| 23:13.10 | abrotman | i want to know who mucked with my fonts! |
| 23:13.11 | peterS | streuner: I was there, where were you? |
| 23:13.26 | mikygee | Coweater they say gaim can't handle two languages at the same time |
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| 23:13.26 | streuner | peterS: looking at the streams ;-) |
| 23:13.38 | abrotman | peeing? |
| 23:13.40 | peterS | streuner: oh. well, I wasn't presenting anything, so I doubt I got very much camera time |
| 23:13.46 | beardy | mikygee: There you have it then, you have to choose which one. |
| 23:13.57 | peterS | streuner: I asked a couple of questions in the talks so it's possible I was on camera for a few seconds here or there. but not much. |
| 23:14.01 | Coweater | not gaim, gtkspell |
| 23:14.13 | dondelelcaro | yes... peterS was there... |
| 23:14.13 | mikygee | beardy ok thanx |
| 23:14.19 | mikygee | Coweater yes indeed |
| 23:14.34 | peterS | hey, dondelelcaro. good to meet you and everyone there |
| 23:14.39 | stoned | dondelelcaro: did this recently get changed, because I clearly remember launching dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig on sid like last month |
| 23:14.58 | stoned | now it is fontconfig-config |
| 23:15.08 | azeem | stoned: did you check the changelog? |
| 23:15.11 | dondelelcaro | stoned: probably |
| 23:15.13 | streuner | peterS: who invited you? |
| 23:15.19 | peterS | invited? |
| 23:15.21 | dondelelcaro | peterS: likewise |
| 23:15.28 | stoned | azeem: no I didn't, I blindly did it, doh |
| 23:15.30 | dondelelcaro | streuner: there's no invitation; you sign up, you come. |
| 23:15.37 | peterS | nobody invited me, I just went |
| 23:15.37 | streuner | oh |
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| 23:16.26 | abrotman | luckily .. i managed to stay away .. i think the DDs would have killed me :) |
| 23:16.34 | peterS | nobody would have killed you, abrotman |
| 23:16.41 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: Are you serious - fontconfig-config? |
| 23:16.44 | peterS | unless you participated in the game of assassins that madduck organised |
| 23:16.49 | abrotman | peterS: there were assassins! |
| 23:16.51 | abrotman | doh |
| 23:17.00 | peterS | I didn't participate, so nobody killed me |
| 23:17.14 | abrotman | wuss |
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| 23:17.39 | abrotman | did they decide on DC7 yet/ |
| 23:17.39 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:17.41 | stoned | ricky_clarkson: yes, according to dondelelcaro and I tried it and it worked |
| 23:17.48 | azeem | abrotman: no |
| 23:17.53 | peterS | abrotman: I have heard that they decided, but not *what* they decided |
| 23:17.56 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: That makes me laugh. |
| 23:18.00 | stoned | ricky_clarkson: me too |
| 23:18.04 | stoned | I never would've guessed |
| 23:18.05 | streuner | heh, there is one guy who decides this :-) |
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| 23:18.15 | peterS | abrotman: edinburgh seems to be a strong contender, but it's not official yet |
| 23:18.17 | stoned | then again, its another reminder lesson, READ THE DAMN CHANGELOG |
| 23:18.17 | stoned | hehe |
| 23:18.24 | abrotman | peterS: i voted for philly :) |
| 23:18.39 | abrotman | peterS: cheesesteaks and yuengling for all! |
| 23:18.51 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, just relocate philly to somewhere east of the Atlantic and you're good to go |
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| 23:19.03 | ricky_clarkson | peterS: Are you having a UK meeting? |
| 23:19.11 | abrotman | peterS: it's a great place! |
| 23:19.15 | ricky_clarkson | peterS: I hosted a Gentoo UK meeting a couple of years back. |
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| 23:19.29 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: debconf 7 will be somewhere in europe. edinburgh is vying for the honor and will quite possibly get it |
| 23:19.38 | ricky_clarkson | peterS: What time of year? |
| 23:19.45 | ricky_clarkson | Say "comedy festival". |
| 23:19.47 | DarkCow | grr |
| 23:19.49 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: summer, nonspecific. any time between May and August |
| 23:19.51 | DarkCow | imwheel isn't working |
| 23:20.06 | ricky_clarkson | I think the comedy festival is in September. |
| 23:20.28 | thingfish | imwheel? that's ancient. |
| 23:20.29 | peterS | there was some noise about doing it in January or February, but that would be inconvenient for too many groups of people |
| 23:20.33 | DarkCow | what should I be using then? |
| 23:20.45 | DarkCow | to get mouse buttons 6 and 7 to work? |
| 23:20.52 | abrotman | peterS: and it would be cold! |
| 23:21.04 | thingfish | DarkCow: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and set up your mouse right. |
| 23:21.13 | peterS | abrotman: well, the question came up because of the venue possibility in north Italy. something about skiing. |
| 23:21.17 | thingfish | oh well I don't know about your 6 and 7 buttons. |
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| 23:21.28 | abrotman | peterS: uhm .. isn't there snow there all year round ? |
| 23:21.31 | abrotman | in the alps i mean |
| 23:21.40 | peterS | some places yes, some places not so much |
| 23:21.58 | DarkCow | Was imwheel used before extra buttons came into play? |
| 23:21.59 | abrotman | peterS: well .. who cares .. i'd rather it be warm .. and my opinion is what counts! |
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| 23:22.45 | helix | I think brixen is an unlikely destination, no matter how hard stockholm pulls for it |
| 23:22.54 | peterS | I dunno, northern Italy doesn't sound cold any time of the year, so long as you aren't actually *in* the alps |
| 23:23.03 | peterS | helix: oh, is stockholm in favor? |
| 23:23.08 | helix | yeah, he wants to ski |
| 23:23.17 | helix | I think sarajevo might be his second choice? |
| 23:23.18 | abrotman | water ski? |
| 23:23.31 | abrotman | is sarajevo still .. unsafe ? |
| 23:23.32 | peterS | sarajevo++. that's the one I'd pull for |
| 23:23.38 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:23.41 | peterS | abrotman: no, it's not unsafe, it's just annoying to travel to |
| 23:23.45 | streuner | abrotman: the war is over |
| 23:23.52 | abrotman | streuner: no shit .. doesn't mean it's safe |
| 23:23.52 | thingfish | just the slivovitz |
| 23:23.59 | helix | abrotman: they are going to house us in a refugee tent camp |
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| 23:24.05 | abrotman | awesome! |
| 23:24.10 | peterS | abrotman: the main disadvantage of sarajevo is how people would get there in a timely and economical manner. everything else about the venue sounds great |
| 23:24.11 | streuner | abrotman: saver as Sao Paulo or Johannesbourg ;-) |
| 23:24.12 | abrotman | now you can all smell like toresbe! |
| 23:24.35 | E0x | alsa problema in sid already solve , make upgrade |
| 23:24.38 | peterS | abrotman: actually the venue is supposed to be some really nice center built with Saudi money, which is to say, much money |
| 23:24.43 | abrotman | peterS: but .. philly is a great place :) |
| 23:24.49 | helix | you have no chance, make your upgrade |
| 23:25.04 | abrotman | peterS: the olympic venue ? |
| 23:25.07 | peterS | what you say !! |
| 23:25.27 | peterS | abrotman: not sure, but whatever it is, apparently it's got everything we need and somehow we'd get it for _free_ |
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| 23:25.53 | abrotman | peterS: are you going to sell streuner ? |
| 23:25.53 | peterS | free is good, it means more money for travel sponsorships and other necessities |
| 23:26.32 | peterS | though if travel to/from sarajevo is really that expensive, it may or may not be a net savings |
| 23:26.35 | abrotman | but .. i might already have to go to albania next summer! |
| 23:26.45 | thingfish | ooh cool albania |
| 23:26.50 | thingfish | neat language |
| 23:27.01 | abrotman | eh .. we'll see .. a co-worker is getting married .. his parents are still in albania |
| 23:27.10 | abrotman | so he may do two ceremonies |
| 23:27.21 | peterS | oh now this is neat. google maps doesn't do bosnia and herzegovina yet |
| 23:27.31 | thingfish | probably some gorgeous orthodox wedding |
| 23:27.42 | streuner | peterS: the flight is, as always, the big part, but the average costs are very good there |
| 23:27.53 | abrotman | i'm actually impressed that i remembered there were olympics in sarajevo |
| 23:27.57 | peterS | streuner: well, the fact that we'd get the venue, reportedly a very nice place, for free - that's something |
| 23:27.58 | thingfish | although I don't know if they're orthodox or roman in albania. |
| 23:28.12 | azeem | I thought they were muslim in Albania |
| 23:28.21 | thingfish | azeem: definitely some. |
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| 23:28.34 | abrotman | azeem: when they were still "oppressed" .. religion was outlawed |
| 23:28.35 | streuner | azeem: well, in .de muslims live too ;-) |
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| 23:28.57 | abrotman | azeem: i don't think they were allowed to practice again until like 10 years ago |
| 23:28.58 | Hakamoto | *g* |
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| 23:29.01 | thingfish | heck muslims are all over - we have a couple of mosques here in kansas city missouri usa. |
| 23:29.08 | abrotman | azeem: and my co-worker became a protestant missionary for a bit |
| 23:29.14 | azeem | thingfish: 70% |
| 23:29.31 | abrotman | azeem: my co-worker is from a border town |
| 23:29.41 | azeem | 20% orthodox, 10% catholic |
| 23:29.52 | azeem | abrotman: whoa |
| 23:30.06 | azeem | thingfish: do not love me, love wikipedia |
| 23:30.10 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:30.16 | abrotman | azeem: there's a big lake in the north .. that's where he's from |
| 23:30.22 | thingfish | ain't that the truth |
| 23:30.24 | peterS | I'm guessing teh pedia got it from teh ethnologue |
| 23:30.35 | peterS | that's one common source for that sort of data |
| 23:30.40 | k-man | is there a description somewhere of how the names line etch and sarge relate to testing and stable? |
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| 23:31.06 | peterS | k-man: dunno, it's pretty simple though. each release has a name, and each not-yet-release has a name, and you can call those stable and testing, respectively |
| 23:31.08 | azeem | k-man: sarge == stable, etch == testing |
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| 23:31.27 | sanmarcos | how can I change the editor mutt uses to write my mail? |
| 23:31.38 | peterS | sanmarcos: set the VISUAL or EDITOR environment variable |
| 23:31.39 | k-man | is it possible to only use names like testing and stable in the sources.list? |
| 23:31.44 | mbishop | Can someone help me with alsa? I run unstable, and the latest libasound2 broke it. I checked incoming.d.o, but it only has packages for m68k |
| 23:31.44 | abrotman | azeem: i'd guess near Shkodër .. in the shadow of korab |
| 23:31.49 | sanmarcos | peterS: how can I make that permanent? |
| 23:31.56 | streuner | k-man: sure |
| 23:32.00 | peterS | sanmarcos: set it in ~/.bash_profile or something like that |
| 23:32.04 | k-man | instead of sarge and etch? as i get confused with the sarge/etch names as im not using them all the time |
| 23:32.10 | beardy | sanmarcos: "export EDITOR = favourite_editor" in ~.bashrc or ~.bash_profile |
| 23:32.18 | peterS | sanmarcos: well, actually in my ~/.bash_profile I do 'source ~/.bashrc' and set everythign interesting in there |
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| 23:32.25 | peterS | beardy: no, without those spaces |
| 23:32.31 | streuner | k-man: but keep in mind, after debian releases, the sources.list take care of that then... |
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| 23:32.45 | peterS | sanmarcos: you want 'export EDITOR=xemacs21' in that file, don't use spaces like beardy has |
| 23:32.49 | sanmarcos | petemc: thanks |
| 23:32.54 | peterS | np |
| 23:32.55 | k-man | streuner, um... not quite sure what you mean |
| 23:32.56 | beardy | peterS: Yes. |
| 23:33.05 | abrotman | azeem: nerp .. i was wrong |
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| 23:33.10 | abrotman | maybe i'll ask him .. someday |
| 23:33.26 | mbishop | streuner: I checked incoming.debian.org, there is only libasound2 for m68k, nothing for x86 |
| 23:33.46 | streuner | k-man: i.e. you have testing, you will get the packages of testing after debian releases etch not etch then |
| 23:33.48 | azeem | libasound2 should've hit the mirrors by now |
| 23:33.49 | peterS | mbishop: dunno, check bugs.debian.org/369412 or so for the latest |
| 23:33.53 | abrotman | mbishop: might already be in sid today |
| 23:33.57 | beardy | peterS: I don't have them, but they squeezed in now when I typed it. ;) |
| 23:34.12 | k-man | streuner, ah.. so it will upgrade by default when a new release is made.... which may not be what i desire |
| 23:34.21 | peterS | beardy: the thing is, with csh (~/.cshrc or ~/.tcshrc) the spaces would be permitted |
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| 23:34.28 | mbishop | abrotman: well it broke when I updated today, been trying to update/upgrade to see if it's fixed, nothing so far |
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| 23:34.36 | abrotman | mbishop: what time? |
| 23:34.42 | beardy | peterS: I see. |
| 23:34.44 | abrotman | mbishop: what version do you have? |
| 23:34.52 | abrotman | !info libasound2 sid |
| 23:34.56 | dpkg | libasound2: (ALSA library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.0.11-6 (sid), Packaged size: 335 kB, Installed size: 1116 kB |
| 23:35.30 | peterS | beardy: ...well, sort of. for an environment variable in csh, you use 'setenv EDITOR xemacs21'. for a _shell_ variable it is 'set EDITOR = xemacs21' with optional spaces. but of course we're talking environment variables here |
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| 23:35.35 | mbishop | abrotman: when I updated? uh, 3pm central? I have 1.0.11-6 |
| 23:35.46 | Darthmike | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:36.12 | peterS | Darthmike: for terrorists, it costs a lot, because we all know the sponsoring arab states have piles of money |
| 23:36.26 | beardy | Darthmike: What made you ask that here? |
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| 23:36.37 | Darthmike | well im looking up the cost |
| 23:36.39 | pipeline | Darthmike: If you're in the U.S., you can get govt. grants to cover the entire costs. It's not really free money; you have to pay it back. It's just an incredibly low-interest loan. |
| 23:36.47 | thingfish | Darthmike: buy ms fs2004 and be satisfied. |
| 23:36.54 | peterS | pipeline: even if you're a terrist? |
| 23:37.10 | abrotman | mbishop: eh .. ok |
| 23:37.12 | Darthmike | and not one friggin site has the actual cost |
| 23:37.21 | pipeline | peterS: You have to be a citizen, but most U.S. terrorists are citizens anyway. |
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| 23:37.31 | mbishop | abrotman: a friend installed sid the other day, and had the same problem |
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| 23:37.38 | peterS | cool |
| 23:37.40 | pipeline | peterS: (It's important to keep in mind that most terrorists are white, christian males. Not the swarthy, turban-wearing islamists the media paints them as :P) |
| 23:37.40 | mbishop | abrotman: he's not around to tell me how he fixed it though |
| 23:38.07 | pipeline | Darthmike: It's extremely expensive. Unless you're getting the govt. to foot the bill, it's not really worth investigating :P |
| 23:38.08 | abrotman | mbishop: nothing more in the bug report? |
| 23:38.21 | pipeline | Darthmike: The lessons aren't as expensive as simply racking up enough flight time to be halfway competent. |
| 23:38.24 | sanmarcos | is there a program that translates drwxr-x--- to the numeral representation |
| 23:38.25 | abrotman | why would someone come to #debian to ask about flight school ? |
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| 23:38.32 | pipeline | abrotman: There's six hundred weird, beardy people. |
| 23:38.33 | abrotman | sanmarcos: man chmod |
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| 23:38.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: abrotman complains about: Staos |
| 23:38.36 | beardy | eh |
| 23:38.43 | peterS | pipeline: oh, I dunno, depends on the media. some media paint pasty-faced teenage hax0rs and suburban women who protest at abortion clinics as terrorists |
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| 23:38.50 | Darthmike | cause no school had the actual tuition |
| 23:38.51 | mentor | ... |
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| 23:39.00 | pipeline | peterS: suburban women who protest at abortion clinic are frequently associated with terrorists. |
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| 23:39.51 | pipeline | peterS: Who do you think shields, funds, and feeds the people who do actually shoot doctors, bomb clinics, etc? |
| 23:39.52 | abrotman | sanmarcos: man chmod |
| 23:39.52 | dondelelcaro | the whole terrorists question is really way OT for #debian |
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| 23:39.52 | sanmarcos | abrotman: yeah, i dont want to change it, I just want to see a numeral representation of that |
| 23:39.52 | peterS | pipeline: pretty much nobody shields, funds and feeds them, not when they're revealed as who they are |
| 23:39.52 | streuner | !politics |
| 23:39.52 | dpkg | i heard politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 23:39.52 | pipeline | peterS: Eric Rudolph hid from authorities for what, two years? Simply on the strength of ordinary-looking suburbanites helping and hiding him :P |
| 23:39.52 | abrotman | sanmarcos: oh .. with 'ls' ? |
| 23:39.58 | Romano2K | hy all! is there a way to check if some packages (listed by dpkg -l) are useless on the system? |
| 23:40.01 | sanmarcos | abrotman: with anything that translates it |
| 23:40.09 | pipeline | peterS: A perilously naive stand point. I'll shut up now. |
| 23:40.13 | Romano2K | (libs for example) |
| 23:40.14 | abrotman | sanmarcos: i don't know anything that does .. other than maybe a GUI file manager |
| 23:40.16 | mentor | Romano2K: useless? |
| 23:40.16 | sanmarcos | abrotman: I know drwxr-x--- is 750, but I need the system to know |
| 23:40.25 | mentor | Romano2K: deborphan debfoster? |
| 23:40.36 | Romano2K | mentor: libs that are not used anymore |
| 23:40.39 | abrotman | sanmarcos: the system knows the permissions |
| 23:40.50 | sanmarcos | abrotman: then I guess Ill have to parse it |
| 23:40.51 | Romano2K | mentor: deborphan and debfoster are packages name ? |
| 23:40.57 | abrotman | sanmarcos: why? |
| 23:41.04 | abrotman | Romano2K: yes |
| 23:41.07 | peterS | pipeline: I agree, it's a pretty simplistic view to associate pasty-faced teens and suburban moms with terrorism. but oh well. |
| 23:41.08 | mentor | Romano2K: yes |
| 23:41.16 | sanmarcos | abrotman: because for my program, the user needs to be shown the number |
| 23:41.20 | mentor | Off topic. |
| 23:41.22 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Those are usually banned from the entire net? Atleast those that did it when it was popular. |
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| 23:41.35 | Romano2K | mentor: i can't find them via apt-cache o_O |
| 23:41.41 | abrotman | sanmarcos: what language ? |
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| 23:42.15 | orchid | mbishop: what version do you need? libasound2_1.0.11-4_i386.deb? |
| 23:42.20 | sanmarcos | abrotman: havent begun yet, but could do in python or c/c++/c# |
| 23:42.23 | dondelelcaro | beardy: sure, but I can't put in klines. |
| 23:42.41 | sanmarcos | abrotman: even I was just wondering what the api, way to do it, but I could parse it I guess, or look at how nautilus does it |
| 23:42.42 | abrotman | sanmarcos: well .. when you decide .. ask the channel for that language .. there might be a function to do it for you |
| 23:42.52 | mbishop | orchid: I tried just going to testing's version, but I have to remove libasound2 first, which wants to remove a whole buttload of stuff I need |
| 23:43.06 | mentor | Romano2K: Works for me. |
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| 23:44.06 | beardy | dondelelcaro: I know. Do you report it? |
| 23:44.08 | orchid | mbishop: I did: sudo dpkg -r --force-all libasound2 andd ignored the warnings (it only warns, not removes) and then sudo dpkg -i libasound2_1.0.11-4_i386.deb |
| 23:44.14 | sanmarcos | abrotman: right, python has a function |
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| 23:44.25 | dondelelcaro | beardy: no, because it's not worth my time. |
| 23:44.28 | sanmarcos | abrotman: thanks, you are the a-brot- man |
| 23:44.54 | thingfish | that made me think about brats. |
| 23:44.56 | Romano2K | mentor: it's ok now, thank you |
| 23:45.39 | orchid | mbishop: but I thought that package was fixed now |
| 23:45.56 | beardy | dondelelcaro: I see. |
| 23:46.32 | FliesLikeABrick | is it possible to have vsftpd listen on multiple ports? |
| 23:46.55 | sanmarcos | FliesLikeABrick: doubt it |
| 23:47.02 | blondie | FliesLikeABrick: don't throw bricks please |
| 23:47.34 | Red_Cloud | To all who tolerated my questions about havp not being fully installed or removed, the issue has now been resolved. I suppose those in charge of this package corrected the problem and re-submitted the package. I tried another update and upgrade and now all is resolved. Thanks for your suggestions and toleration. |
| 23:47.56 | mbishop | orchid: not sure, but that worked, removed and installed the testing version, -3 |
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| 23:48.15 | Timtow | How can I change it so that I can recieve email sent to user@domain.com instead of user@hostname.domain.com? |
| 23:48.24 | orchid | mbishop: you got sound? |
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| 23:48.34 | mbishop | orchid: yep |
| 23:48.36 | Red_Cloud | But I know that there are those out there who can "unhang" the situation of not being fully installed or removed. |
| 23:48.41 | Timtow | or maybe change it to smtp.domain.com? |
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| 23:49.03 | Timtow | nm, scratch the last comment I made...lol |
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| 23:50.29 | Red_Cloud | Or it may have been that I went to /var/lib/dpkg/info and changed the names of all havp extension, for now I see that there are a fresh batch of havp extension files along with those that I changed before the last update and upgrade. Who knows? |
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| 23:50.52 | DaBlade | apt-get upgrade looked weird today |
| 23:50.56 | DaBlade | Not usual at all. |
| 23:51.01 | DaBlade | Any changes to the repos? |
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| 23:51.11 | azeem | you mean the pdiff stuff? |
| 23:51.16 | DaBlade | yep |
| 23:51.21 | azeem | that would be apt-get update AFAIK |
| 23:51.30 | DaBlade | I meant update |
| 23:51.31 | DaBlade | sorry |
| 23:51.36 | DaBlade | So what's it about? |
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| 23:51.53 | azeem | yeah, apt only downloads the difference now, not the whole Packages anymore |
| 23:52.01 | FliesLikeABrick | nifty |
| 23:52.04 | DaBlade | Weird |
| 23:52.13 | DaBlade | I guess it saves bandwidth |
| 23:52.28 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah |
| 23:53.07 | DaBlade | It only applies to upgrades, right? |
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| 23:53.21 | dondelelcaro | it's just the Packages file, that's it. |
| 23:53.56 | DaBlade | anyway, what's the command to remove all startup of a specific name? |
| 23:54.09 | DaBlade | like if I don't want say postgresql not to start on bootup |
| 23:54.19 | DaBlade | it was update-rc.d something something |
| 23:54.23 | DaBlade | I don't remember specifically |
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| 23:58.28 | beardy | DarkCow: /msg dpkg update-rc.d /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 23:58.38 | beardy | DaBlade: ^^^ ... |
| 23:59.10 | blondie | m00 |
| 23:59.41 | DaBlade | beardy: thanks |
| 23:59.45 | unfo | blondie: what?? |
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