| 00:00.00 | marco13185 | quitte_, still nothing |
| 00:00.02 | PestPete | thingfish **installed debian |
| 00:00.07 | thingfish | PestPete: it's easy. ctrl-o to write out, ctrl-x to exit. |
| 00:00.11 | marco13185 | quitte_, I'm gonna reinstall Debian |
| 00:00.21 | marco13185 | probably later tonight |
| 00:00.22 | jefferson | quitte_: ? |
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| 00:00.26 | simonrvn | PestPete: the help is right there in front of you |
| 00:00.34 | dondelelcaro | rrk: if someone hasn't already told you, you're trying to upgrade a system running sarge with etch or unstable packagse |
| 00:00.36 | quitte_ | jefferson: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:00.49 | jefferson | quitte_: just watch tv |
| 00:00.51 | dondelelcaro | rrk: you'll either have to fully upgrade to etch, or fix your sources.list and continue running stable. |
| 00:01.03 | jefferson | quitte_: and i dont feel like compiling myth right now |
| 00:01.14 | jefferson | so i thought this would be a quick solution |
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| 00:01.33 | marco13185 | hmm, all of my services don't start a boot, I always get errors saying that it's not a real service, so nothing will happen |
| 00:01.36 | quitte_ | jefferson: argh. you dont even know if you have drivers for your tv card and are talking about _compiling_ mythtv? |
| 00:01.41 | marco13185 | so GDM doesn't start even though it should |
| 00:01.51 | jefferson | quitte_: haha i built my own lfs distro |
| 00:01.51 | marco13185 | I don't understand this |
| 00:01.58 | quitte_ | marco13185: did you use a daily snapshot? |
| 00:02.09 | marco13185 | quitte_, I used the etch install disk |
| 00:02.10 | quitte_ | jefferson: all right wrong channel. go away |
| 00:02.12 | PestPete | thingfish, how do I edit? I did ctrl+o.. but now i'm in some odd menu.. "^C" |
| 00:02.19 | marco13185 | because it's the only way to install unstable I think, right? |
| 00:02.21 | jefferson | quitte_: ? |
| 00:02.22 | quitte_ | marco13185: dont use it to install sid |
| 00:02.30 | marco13185 | quitte_, then how do I install sid? |
| 00:02.33 | quitte_ | jefferson: this is #debian. not #lfs |
| 00:02.36 | jefferson | quitte_: no no no, i am running debian sarge |
| 00:02.45 | quitte_ | marco13185: you don'T. testing is almost as new. |
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| 00:03.13 | jefferson | quitte_: just making the point that i know somewhat what i am doing |
| 00:03.15 | marco13185 | quitte_, yes, but when problems in testing do occur, they often take forever to fix, while in sid I have a fix in two days usually |
| 00:03.24 | rrk | dondelelcaro which would be best the box still works and i would like to keep its about 3yrs old with out a wipe |
| 00:03.27 | quitte_ | marco13185: if you really wanted, and you dont, sid you could upgrade to it from etch later |
| 00:03.36 | azeem | marco13185: but in sid things break much more easily |
| 00:03.56 | quitte_ | marco13185: use testing. if you know something is fixed in sid get that package and only that package |
| 00:04.00 | marco13185 | azeem, ya, I know, but I ran for a month with NO problems, right up until I decided to start fucking around with partitions |
| 00:04.11 | _Atomo64_ | so.... anybody could please tell me where/how can I get the gtk-scintilla packageĀ”?? |
| 00:04.15 | rrk | i run sid on most everything else kanotix |
| 00:04.35 | quitte_ | jefferson: you didn'T make that point very well. so what did you do to make your tv card work? |
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| 00:04.58 | adrakoa | hi |
| 00:04.59 | quitte_ | marco13185: heh. that sure was a bad decision. |
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| 00:05.12 | marco13185 | quitte_, yes, I know |
| 00:05.12 | jefferson | quitte_: nothing; never really played with anything but the command line .... |
| 00:05.28 | marco13185 | quitte_, actually, it started with my bad decision to let Debian use my whole 300 GB drive |
| 00:05.32 | marco13185 | that was pretty stupid of me |
| 00:05.34 | quitte_ | jefferson: aha. how did you play a video in the command line? |
| 00:05.35 | dondelelcaro | rrk: upgrade? or just stay with sarge? |
| 00:05.49 | quitte_ | marco13185: uhm no thats fine |
| 00:05.52 | rrk | stay with sarge |
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| 00:05.57 | jefferson | quitte_: i didn't; i can config xdm and stuff like that; never tried to do something like this tho |
| 00:05.59 | nemo | quitte_: xine movie.avi, or mplayer movie.avi, etc |
| 00:06.22 | dondelelcaro | rrk: ok, give me the apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev libncurses5-dev perl; output |
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| 00:06.33 | rrk | roger |
| 00:06.34 | marco13185 | quitte_, but then I can't play with other distros |
| 00:06.35 | quitte_ | jefferson: i give up. you say a and when asking how you did a you answer you never did it |
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| 00:07.28 | quitte_ | marco13185: use lvm for your partitions and then you can use xen later for your other distros. the best there is to play with other distros |
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| 00:08.23 | dondelelcaro | rrk: remove the sid lines from your sources.list, add a stable security line, and rerun the apt-get command. |
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| 00:08.44 | dondelelcaro | rrk: you don't need to show me the rest; I know what they're going to say now. |
| 00:08.58 | rrk | roger |
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| 00:09.28 | Nwallins | hi, I'm running Etch/Apache2/rails. in debugging a rails issue, I found the following in my error log: [Tue May 30 20:06:11 2006] [debug] /home/adconrad/apache-sec/apache2-2.0.55/build-tree/apache2/modules/mappers/mod_rewrite.c(1788): [client 10.3.10.225] mod_rewrite's internal redirect status: 0/10. ----- that dir appears to be an artifact of a dirty build process |
| 00:09.35 | Nwallins | (i have no user 'adconrad' |
| 00:09.35 | cjaymes | how do i REALLY reinstall a package? apt-get --reinstall install doesn't seem to do anything |
| 00:09.37 | marco13185 | quitte_, err, the Xen page is kind of ambiguous, does Xen need a host OS, or is it it's own OS (like VMware ESX) |
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| 00:09.54 | Nwallins | should i file a bug? |
| 00:09.57 | adrakoa | is Hurd a micro kernel project? |
| 00:10.08 | Nwallins | adrakoa: yes |
| 00:10.28 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: no, it's just an artifact of the build process. |
| 00:10.36 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: ok :) |
| 00:11.00 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: since you've got the full debugging output of mod_rewrite on, it's telling you exactly what is happening, and where it's happening. |
| 00:11.05 | quitte_ | marco13185: as long as you don'T fill your lvms there is no problem. reiserfs even allows online growing and i havent had a problem with that ever. if you decide to use xen you can use your debian system that you are going to install to control the other xen machines |
| 00:11.11 | christor | Nwallins: Is rails working? |
| 00:11.25 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: well, nothing can be happening there, since the dir doesn't exist on my system |
| 00:11.39 | Nwallins | christor: a few more hoops to jump thru and it should |
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| 00:11.52 | quitte_ | marco13185: just avoid installing the xen package. that is for xen2 and is quite troublesome to get rid of once you are running a xen kernel |
| 00:11.53 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: no, that's just a reference to the line of the original source file, and where the original source file was located. |
| 00:11.58 | Nwallins | ah, ok :) |
| 00:12.12 | christor | Nwallins: ok I installed it but I don t remember how to. At worst I can check my conf |
| 00:12.26 | christor | Nwallins: if you need |
| 00:12.32 | cjaymes | how do I reinstall a package? |
| 00:12.34 | Nwallins | christor: it's ok, I have had it running... doing a big reconfig though for suexec's sake |
| 00:12.57 | dondelelcaro | cjaymes: aptitude reinstall foopkg; or apt-get --reinstall install foopkg; |
| 00:12.59 | PestPete | How would i install grome onto Debian? |
| 00:13.07 | PestPete | api-get grome? |
| 00:13.08 | dondelelcaro | PestPete: aptitude install gnome; |
| 00:13.17 | PestPete | Thanks |
| 00:13.22 | adrakoa | PestPete apt-get install gnome |
| 00:13.28 | quitte_ | marco13185: the term host os with xen is a little problematic. as i understand it all xen doms run in parallel. only one is more privileged over the hardware. |
| 00:13.39 | cjaymes | dondelelcaro, it didn't put the conf file back...anything else? |
| 00:13.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell cjaymes -about confmiss |
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| 00:14.02 | dondelelcaro | cjaymes: it helps if you tell us the actual problem first... |
| 00:14.11 | rrk | dondelelcaRo the sources list is clean same erros on apt and dpkg |
| 00:14.15 | cjaymes | ohhhh |
| 00:14.20 | dondelelcaro | rrk: now run apt-get update; then try again. |
| 00:14.31 | rrk | yes did that |
| 00:14.38 | dondelelcaro | rrk: ok, what is the error now? |
| 00:14.41 | adrakoa | rrk apt-get -f install |
| 00:14.57 | cjaymes | dondelelcaro, thx |
| 00:15.05 | dondelelcaro | cjaymes: np |
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| 00:15.15 | rrk | yes did apt-get -f install and dpkg --configure -a basically the same errors |
| 00:15.23 | dondelelcaro | rrk: can you paste them again? |
| 00:15.29 | rrk | yes |
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| 00:15.43 | dondelelcaro | rrk: oh wait... I see part of the problem now... |
| 00:16.04 | dondelelcaro | rrk: you'll have to do an apt-get install libc6-dev=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3; and possibly a few other packages as well. |
| 00:16.07 | PestPete | Can I run ISPConfig and grome? |
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| 00:17.27 | ryan` | is there any way to get the linux kernel to resolve an address via ARP besides opening a socket to the ip in question? |
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| 00:19.16 | christor | Someone has already isntalled atheros wifi card with wpasuppliant? |
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| 00:20.13 | dondelelcaro | rrk: you'll have to do an apt-get install libc6-dev=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3; |
| 00:20.44 | rrk | dondelelcaro it is not letting me do it still dependentcy problems |
| 00:21.24 | adrakoa | ryan` Arp = address resolution protocol,but only in a local net ( MAC --- IP ). |
| 00:21.35 | ryan` | i know what it is. |
| 00:21.47 | adrakoa | ryan` man socket |
| 00:21.54 | azeem | ryan`: you might get more help in a dedicated kernel channel |
| 00:22.41 | azeem | adrakoa: FWIW, the Hurd isn't a microkernel, it just sits atop of one (GNU Mach) |
| 00:23.05 | rrk | dondelelcaro i put the output on flood apt-get install libc6-dev=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 |
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| 00:23.17 | ryan` | I want to do something where the only thing that happens is that an ARP packet is sent out to resolve an IP to a MAC address, and have the kernel cache that info in the ARP cache. |
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| 00:23.43 | azeem | ryan`: via a user space library? |
| 00:23.49 | ryan` | If I just inject an arp packet, the kernel seems to ignore the 'unexected' response. |
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| 00:24.01 | ryan` | azeem, yes, from user space. |
| 00:24.25 | adrakoa | azeem was GNU Mach a client/server project? |
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| 00:24.44 | adrakoa | is hurd that? |
| 00:24.49 | ryan` | because what I am doing now is opening a tcp connection to port 65535 with a very short timeout which makes the kernel send an arp packet, and cache the response if there is one. |
| 00:25.05 | azeem | adrakoa: Mach is a microkernel, there are several projects which implement servers on top of it |
| 00:25.06 | dondelelcaro | rrk: apt-get install libc6=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 libc6-dev=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 perl=5.8.4-8 perl-base=5.8.4-8 perl-suid=5.8.4-8 psh- |
| 00:25.08 | ryan` | but if i use, say, arping, the kernel does not cache the response. |
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| 00:25.26 | azeem | MacOS X/Darwin is a single-server project on top of Mach, GNU Hurd is a multiserver project |
| 00:26.00 | rrk | roger |
| 00:26.03 | adrakoa | azeem ok, thx |
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| 00:26.12 | rrk | perl problem doing policy |
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| 00:28.35 | cjaymes | any ideas why phpmyadmin wants to send me a phtml file? all the other php scripts work fine |
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| 00:29.14 | Nwallins | cjaymes: mime types |
| 00:29.34 | cjaymes | Nwallins, standard mime.types file in apache pkg |
| 00:30.07 | adrakoa | azeem interesting FWIW thx |
| 00:30.24 | Nwallins | cjaymes: not sure what the exact issue is, but that is the general culprit, usually, when you are asked to download instead of having the server parse |
| 00:30.56 | rrk | dondelelcaro i get an error with perl E: Version '5.8.4-8' for 'perl' was not found if it take it off i get basically the same error as before |
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| 00:30.57 | abrotman | wouldn't that be an old version of phpmyadmin ? |
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| 00:31.19 | dondelelcaro | rrk: what's the apt-cache policy perl; output? |
| 00:31.26 | rrk | roger |
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| 00:32.29 | cjaymes | woah; phpmyadmin redoes apache's AddTypes in an .htaccess file; would that be it? |
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| 00:32.39 | rrk | on flood |
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| 00:34.14 | _ericbAFK | anyone knows a dvd to divx ripper for linux (that does the same job as windows ImToo) |
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| 00:35.09 | adrakoa | _ericb acidrip |
| 00:35.20 | Nwallins | _ericb: DVD::Rip (perl, gtk), maybe? check http://wiki.ubuntu.com |
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| 00:35.54 | abrotman | why would he check the ubuntu wiki ? |
| 00:36.09 | thingfish | for recipes? |
| 00:36.17 | Nwallins | they have info on linux dvd stuff. pointers to packages that may be available for debian |
| 00:36.20 | abrotman | i can make crap .. i don't need a recipe! :) |
| 00:36.29 | thingfish | like how do you cook chicken for the 1,000th time? |
| 00:37.17 | Nwallins | abrotman: vobcopy is my favorite for pixel-perfect rips (with libdvdcss or whatever) |
| 00:37.43 | Nwallins | abrotman: no transcoding for me (the divx, etc. route) |
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| 00:38.25 | adrakoa | my favority ripper is memcpy |
| 00:38.56 | Nwallins | I haven't found anythign that gets around the various error-introduction copy protections on linux yet |
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| 00:39.08 | abrotman | how about a dvd player hooked up to your tv :) |
| 00:39.09 | cjaymes | ugh |
| 00:39.16 | Nwallins | abrotman: not so good for archiving |
| 00:39.20 | thingfish | no way, abrotman. We did that here for a long time. |
| 00:39.20 | cjaymes | I think firefox has a bug in the cache |
| 00:39.24 | adrakoa | if somebody say ubuntu here, is he killed? |
| 00:39.32 | abrotman | Nwallins: eh .. archiving? |
| 00:39.36 | Nwallins | <-- still here just don't ask questions |
| 00:39.42 | abrotman | adrakoa: only if you want support for it |
| 00:39.46 | cjaymes | that's the second time I've cleared the cache & a problem went away |
| 00:39.51 | abrotman | thingfish: i don't watch enough movies to care |
| 00:39.53 | Nwallins | abrotman: sure, i bought the damn thing, don't want scratches ruining it |
| 00:40.06 | abrotman | Nwallins: hint! .. put them away when you're done with them |
| 00:40.31 | thingfish | abrotman: oh man I hear that. My and my partner watched a movie last Saturday, was probably the first movie we've rented in a year. |
| 00:40.44 | thingfish | and I used to be so good about keeping up on films. |
| 00:40.45 | abrotman | thingfish: this .. "rented" .... what is this? |
| 00:40.52 | Nwallins | abrotman: works well 'cept for roommates/family thievery even |
| 00:40.55 | thingfish | abrotman: I'll give you one guess. |
| 00:41.01 | abrotman | i had the misfortune of seeing Xmen3 last weekend |
| 00:41.03 | rrk | dondelelcaro is there a way to reset apt ? |
| 00:41.04 | abrotman | thingfish: sideways? :) |
| 00:41.17 | yggdrasil | can somone take a look at my apt/sources.list its for sid and im getting an error trying to isntall xview |
| 00:41.23 | yggdrasil | http://yggdrasil.pastebin.com/748189 |
| 00:41.34 | abrotman | Nwallins: if you don't trust your family .. don't let them use them |
| 00:41.42 | thingfish | abrotman: no...more like brokeback. |
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| 00:41.52 | abrotman | thingfish: any good ? |
| 00:42.09 | thingfish | abrotman: well actually it was good, but it really wasn't oscar material. |
| 00:42.10 | Nwallins | abrotman: also, it is nice to decouple the data from the medium, so that I can watch DVD in my room that lives on a server in the closet |
| 00:42.10 | abrotman | yggdrasil: how about pasting the error too ? |
| 00:42.16 | yggdrasil | uh |
| 00:42.17 | yggdrasil | ok |
| 00:42.20 | adrakoa | zzz |
| 00:42.25 | abrotman | Nwallins: justify it however you want .. i think it's dumb |
| 00:42.32 | thingfish | abrotman: heath ledger was damn near unintelligible throughout the whole thing. |
| 00:42.36 | Nwallins | abrotman: well, I think you're... nevermind |
| 00:42.40 | abrotman | thingfish: he was a redneck |
| 00:42.48 | abrotman | Nwallins: what? .. not backing up my DVDs? |
| 00:42.53 | abrotman | Nwallins: i don't really watch movies |
| 00:42.54 | Nwallins | exthacthly |
| 00:42.57 | yggdrasil | http://yggdrasil.pastebin.com/748193 |
| 00:43.00 | yggdrasil | hows that |
| 00:43.02 | abrotman | if they all burnt up .. i wouldn't care |
| 00:43.02 | thingfish | abrotman: hey I know rednecks, and this guy just plain mumbled. |
| 00:43.11 | abrotman | thingfish: drunk redneck ? |
| 00:43.22 | abrotman | !info xview sid |
| 00:43.30 | abrotman | !+info xview sid |
| 00:43.32 | dpkg | Package 'xview' does not exist. |
| 00:43.34 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:43.37 | abrotman | yggdrasil: that's why |
| 00:43.42 | yggdrasil | hmm |
| 00:43.46 | thingfish | abrotman: you'd have to see it for yourself, really. |
| 00:43.46 | yggdrasil | yea |
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| 00:43.57 | adu | woah |
| 00:43.57 | yggdrasil | si there such a thing ? |
| 00:44.04 | abrotman | !find xview sid |
| 00:44.06 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xview' (7): ghfaxviewer ;; imaze-xview ;; kfaxview ;; xview-clients ;; xview-examples ;; xviewg ;; xviewg-dev. |
| 00:44.07 | adu | holly crap theres alot of people in here |
| 00:44.15 | adu | maybe i should try #debianppc |
| 00:44.16 | abrotman | adu: i see 12 |
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| 00:44.35 | yggdrasil | xviewg-dev huh ? |
| 00:44.40 | abrotman | dunno .. try them |
| 00:44.45 | abrotman | !tell yggdrasil about search |
| 00:44.50 | adu | abrotman: 12 talking? |
| 00:44.55 | abrotman | adu: total ? |
| 00:44.57 | thingfish | adu: most of them know enough to keep quiet. ;) |
| 00:45.03 | adu | oh |
| 00:45.07 | adu | unlike me :) |
| 00:45.14 | thingfish | hehe and unlike me |
| 00:45.38 | adu | well i just thought I'd join in case i encountered any problems with installing debian |
| 00:45.52 | thingfish | hey cool, installing Debian for the first time, adu? |
| 00:46.10 | thingfish | we hope it is a satisfying experience for you. |
| 00:46.25 | adu | because I already tried the netinstall CD, but it couldn't connect to the net, so I dl'ed the 14 full CDs so i'm trying that now |
| 00:46.30 | abrotman | adu has been here before |
| 00:46.36 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:46.45 | adu | thingfish: yes i've installed linux before on a mac, but this is my first time with Debian per se |
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| 00:46.58 | abrotman | adu: you've never been here before ? |
| 00:47.09 | thingfish | adu: well just know I wish you all the luck in the world. |
| 00:47.14 | adu | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:47.27 | adu | abrotman: not really, i think once or twice I've popped in here before |
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| 00:48.23 | adu | abrotman: but i've been going to freenode for years... |
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| 00:48.41 | abrotman | adu: maybe i ran into you in another channel |
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| 00:48.53 | Nwallins | s/into/over/ |
| 00:48.55 | adu | abrotman: the channel I goto the most and have been going to the longest i think is #osdev, i've been going to #osdev since '94 |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | adu: nope .. maybe Leimy told me to avoid you |
| 00:49.10 | adu | that was back in the openprojects days |
| 00:49.23 | thingfish | abrotman: I thought you promised to stay away from alt.latex |
| 00:49.27 | adu | abrotman: why should i be avoided? |
| 00:49.56 | abrotman | adu: i'm joking .. but that's all i can think that you might have been in .. |
| 00:49.59 | adu | thingfish: i meant thanks to you ;P |
| 00:50.10 | thingfish | why thank you |
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| 00:50.25 | abrotman | for wishing him luck |
| 00:50.33 | adu | ya |
| 00:50.34 | thingfish | I'll swear my chicken just gets better with each batch. |
| 00:50.40 | adu | lol |
| 00:50.44 | abrotman | thingfish: you have to stop playing with your chicken |
| 00:50.48 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:50.57 | abrotman | thingfish: add garlic! |
| 00:51.27 | thingfish | abrotman: well, sometimes, yes...but this is fried chicken to share with a farm boy type eater. |
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| 00:51.46 | thingfish | my mom always used garlic powder with fried chicken, though. |
| 00:52.02 | abrotman | thingfish: ginger? |
| 00:52.09 | abrotman | who is a farm boy type eater? |
| 00:52.44 | abrotman | hard to believe .. given where you live |
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| 00:53.13 | asg | abrotman: I wasn't born here and such proclivites don't exactly rub off |
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| 00:53.42 | thingfish | abrotman: oh come on. |
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| 00:53.50 | ProphetPX | hi |
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| 00:54.03 | ProphetPX | !lug albany |
| 00:54.13 | thingfish | ginger? In fried chicken? flour and seasoning salt. that's it. |
| 00:54.15 | rrk | dondelelcaro any more ideas? |
| 00:54.21 | ProphetPX | yummm |
| 00:54.46 | eded | ey i as just trying to install some wireless drivers ... and after compiling it stuck the moduls in another directory ..... i.e. i have this directory /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386 .... and after compiling drivers it created this directory /lib/modules/2.4.27 |
| 00:54.54 | abrotman | thingfish: i thought maybe on bbq chicken |
| 00:54.55 | thingfish | oh that's not in good taste, in channel and all that. |
| 00:54.56 | ProphetPX | any1 have any ideas about how to stop iptables from reporting to my terminal? |
| 00:55.03 | eded | ho would i make it put them in the other dir ... OR .. how ould i make the system load the modules formt he new location ? |
| 00:55.07 | thingfish | abrotman: I thought about that, but it's raining. |
| 00:55.09 | abrotman | ProphetPX: ask #iptables |
| 00:55.14 | ProphetPX | ah thanx |
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| 00:58.10 | stew | ProphetPX: how did you install debian? did you start from some other derivative distro? |
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| 00:58.44 | dvs | stew: I had that too until I used that "-c 4" option in /etc/init.d/klogd |
| 00:59.30 | teledyn_ | boot: knoppix gaudi=off |
| 00:59.47 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 00:59.55 | teledyn_ | sorry, i just had to make that joke |
| 00:59.58 | habenix | what is a reliable and fast network file system with kernel root fs support? |
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| 01:00.18 | abrotman | sneakernet!!!!!!!!1 |
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| 01:01.51 | teledyn_ | seriously though, i wish it had a gaudi switch. maybe i |
| 01:01.56 | teledyn_ | i'll ask in the #chan |
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| 01:02.44 | abrotman | good idea |
| 01:03.17 | christor | Please how to add the start of my wifi card at the boot? |
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| 01:03.32 | christor | this is using the drivers ath_pci? |
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| 01:04.25 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 01:04.26 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
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| 01:04.49 | teledyn_ | christor: you installed the madwifi driver? |
| 01:05.41 | christor | teledyn_: yes using the tar.gz |
| 01:06.19 | teledyn_ | christor: you'd want to add the module name to /etc/modules then run "update-modules" |
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| 01:06.33 | christor | teledyn_: I have isntalled the madwifi.tar.gz and the wpa_supplicant.tar.gz and all is working about my card so now I just need to add the start of the module et the boot and start the wpa_supplicant too |
| 01:06.35 | teledyn_ | christor: then configure the interface as per instructions above |
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| 01:06.52 | dvs | teledyn_: you don't have to run "update-modules" if you're only changing /etc/modules |
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| 01:07.00 | habenix | Anybody any idea about SAN? |
| 01:07.05 | teledyn_ | o i thought you did |
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| 01:07.18 | dvs | teledyn_: nope |
| 01:07.39 | dvs | teledyn_: actually, you dont have to use update-modules anymore |
| 01:08.36 | copyofjohan | I created a new LV in a big LVM partition and created ext3-fs on it. It is nearly ful (91GB of 99GB). Now root can handle it normal, but as a normal user it always says there are 0bytes free and so Icant copy anythink onto it. Where could be my problem? |
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| 01:09.26 | dvs | copyofjohan: That's normal. once a drive gets down to about 5% free, only root can write to it. |
| 01:10.17 | grumpydog | debhelper should do ctcp requests and ban gentoo users hehe |
| 01:10.21 | copyofjohan | ok, can i change the percentage? |
| 01:10.48 | dvs | copyofjohan: I don't know how if there was. |
| 01:11.14 | copyofjohan | ok, thanks |
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| 01:14.03 | magyar | does 2.6.16 supports NCQ on SATA? |
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| 01:17.25 | dvs | yggdrasil: you're old ;-) |
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| 01:17.56 | abrotman | magyar: maybe ask #kernel |
| 01:18.32 | yertyo | does anyone know how to tell grub to boot up in 1152x864 resolution? |
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| 01:20.20 | ProphetPX | yertyo, lmao i have that problem too lolol |
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| 01:20.48 | yertyo | did you find a solution? |
| 01:20.51 | calmar | hi all, I have installed opera-9 but with it an dependency error: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.1) (UNSATISFIED) hm. I would not know how to solve it but since opera works fine. How I make aptitute or however ignore that error |
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| 01:21.23 | calmar | aptitute want's to remove opera, what I don't want.. |
| 01:21.37 | mordiaky | boo |
| 01:21.41 | mordiaky | hello all |
| 01:21.42 | yertyo | maybe do apt-get -f install |
| 01:21.48 | yertyo | hello |
| 01:22.27 | calmar | yertyo: it then remove opera I think. I try anyway.. |
| 01:22.57 | mordiaky | on my machine I have a nvidia pciE card 6600 256ddr2 card, every time zI install almost any OS (Linix base) I get these strange colorfull lines all over the place on my screen and a little box where my mouse courser is. what causes this? |
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| 01:23.20 | yertyo | hey I have that same card |
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| 01:23.30 | adu | why is it that the 2.4 kernel works and the 2.6 kernel doesn't work |
| 01:23.38 | dvs | 2.6 works for me |
| 01:23.41 | felipefda | voltei |
| 01:23.48 | dvs | felipefda: bless you |
| 01:23.49 | adu | for some reason 2.6 doesn't recognize /dev/hda10 it says the device doesn't exist |
| 01:23.55 | mordiaky | 2.6 what? the kernerl? |
| 01:23.56 | adu | but 2.4 is fine with /dev/hda10 |
| 01:24.00 | adu | yes |
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| 01:24.06 | yertyo | might be a different device |
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| 01:24.13 | yertyo | like /dev/hdb10 |
| 01:24.14 | dli | adu, " fdisk -l " |
| 01:24.36 | dvs | adu: I'm guess that some of those drives are SATA drives |
| 01:24.50 | toubsu | can you not do hdparm on SATA drives?? |
| 01:25.03 | adu | dli: if i could do that in linux2.6 i would, but I can't because linux2.6 won't boot because it won't recognize /dev/hda10, but I can do that in linux2.4 and see what happens |
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| 01:25.09 | mordiaky | ok here is some thing that is Troubling me |
| 01:25.27 | ProphetPX | awwww i am jealous, adu here has Verizon FIOS!!! GRRRRR lol |
| 01:25.35 | dli | adu, boot a livecd with 2.6 |
| 01:25.39 | felipefda | sorry, I was speak in portuguese |
| 01:25.49 | adu | ok i think i have ubuntu live |
| 01:26.02 | sussudio | !texugo felipefda |
| 01:26.02 | dpkg | felipefda: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 01:26.14 | mordiaky | I am runing right now as we speak knoppix 4.0.2 on my system, using the internet, sound works and every thing runs fine, BUT when I install the same thing on my HD off the Live cd, Nothing works, like the internet, my sound my wifi card, what gives? |
| 01:26.32 | felipefda | I don't understanding... but... ok.. |
| 01:26.46 | mordiaky | lmao I tryed to install ubuntu an got the strange lines in my video |
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| 01:26.59 | ProphetPX | lmao |
| 01:27.12 | sussudio | mordiaky: o rly? |
| 01:27.16 | mordiaky | and had to ctl+c the hotplug module |
| 01:27.18 | yertyo | my 6600le pci-e works flawless |
| 01:27.21 | felipefda | I am... ehhehe |
| 01:27.38 | mordiaky | yeah but doesn't matter any thing I install never works |
| 01:27.46 | mordiaky | I wish mine world |
| 01:27.56 | felipefda | Do you have tips for Kde performance? |
| 01:28.03 | yertyo | did you tell your bios to initialize pci-e first? |
| 01:28.14 | sussudio | i ran knoppix once and weasels ripped my flesh. |
| 01:28.20 | mordiaky | in the xorg.conf do you set this pciE: 0:0:0 or just PCI: 0:0:0 |
| 01:28.20 | ProphetPX | lmao |
| 01:28.24 | chealer | felipefda: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:28.33 | mordiaky | Ohh probly not |
| 01:28.39 | mordiaky | let me do that in bios lmao |
| 01:28.44 | ProphetPX | lmao |
| 01:28.49 | yertyo | lmao |
| 01:28.51 | felipefda | ok.. |
| 01:28.52 | mordiaky | brb guys :P |
| 01:29.02 | chealer | mordiaky: your display problem is only with X? |
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| 01:29.09 | ProphetPX | i think i mighta tried that first, too lol |
| 01:29.15 | yertyo | he said the install wont even work |
| 01:29.19 | onetinsoldier | calmar: if you haven't found a solution to your problem i can tell you how to hack it |
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| 01:29.31 | felipefda | ok, thanks.. |
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| 01:30.06 | FarrisG | http://gentlenews.com/theshow <--- live in 2 minutes |
| 01:30.24 | secher | !OFTC |
| 01:30.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net |
| 01:30.25 | sussudio | FarrisG: spammer |
| 01:30.52 | felipefda | What Player do you use for videos? |
| 01:31.05 | dvs | felipefda: depends on the video |
| 01:31.10 | felipefda | all.. ehhehe |
| 01:31.13 | felipefda | avi, mpg, wmv.. |
| 01:31.19 | secher | Hrm.. someone want to clarify the OFTC bit in the topic? is #debian leaving freenode? Is freenode closing down? what's the dealio? |
| 01:31.21 | sussudio | mushroom, snake |
| 01:31.22 | felipefda | A good player.. |
| 01:31.27 | abrotman | !tell secher about oftc move |
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| 01:31.56 | FarrisG | sussudio: Yes indeed :) |
| 01:32.10 | FarrisG | sussudio: But I feel no remorse spamming our dorkass show |
| 01:32.37 | felipefda | xine? Kplayer? Kaffeine? Other |
| 01:32.46 | ProphetPX | !tell ProphetPX about oftc move |
| 01:32.46 | toubsu | !tell toubsu about oftc move |
| 01:32.58 | felipefda | For Graphical Interface.. |
| 01:33.45 | ProphetPX | damn ... and this is the default server in bitchx, too |
| 01:33.48 | onetinsoldier | felipefda: are you looking for a good media player? |
| 01:33.56 | adu | hmm |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | hint ... /msg dpkg oftc move |
| 01:33.59 | adu | this is not good |
| 01:34.02 | ProphetPX | someone might wanna tell the bitchx devs |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | adu: your milk is green? |
| 01:34.12 | felipefda | onetinsoldier: yes.. |
| 01:34.13 | habenix | ? what happend to my message ? |
| 01:34.25 | adu | the debian CD installer says "iso9660 unknown filesystem type" |
| 01:34.25 | habenix | stupid windoof client |
| 01:34.40 | ProphetPX | yikes! |
| 01:34.41 | onetinsoldier | felipefda: vlc is very good... seems like it plays just about everything. |
| 01:34.53 | abrotman | adu: trying to do what? |
| 01:34.59 | ProphetPX | my vlc crashes in windows all the damn time :-\ |
| 01:35.00 | sussudio | oftc doesn't have usercloaks, does it |
| 01:35.00 | felipefda | thanks |
| 01:35.07 | habenix | again, has anybody ever looked into network file systems? here is an interesting document: http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/index.php/Comparison_of_NFS_vs._others |
| 01:35.18 | adu | configure 'apt' to install from the 14 CD's i just downloaded right after the 1st install CD |
| 01:35.30 | habenix | but the conclusion is missing |
| 01:35.43 | habenix | so what is the best fs for UNIX network storage |
| 01:35.52 | adu | abrotman: I'm installing Debian, and I'm on the 2nd step or so |
| 01:36.02 | habenix | seems NFS has problems with high loads |
| 01:36.05 | onetinsoldier | ProphetPX: i've used the windows version and never had a problem with that version of it either. hmmm, strange to me that you have. |
| 01:36.22 | abrotman | adu: did you burn the netinst yourself ? |
| 01:36.24 | adu | Its wierd because it seemed to understand iso9660 when it installed the base system |
| 01:36.29 | habenix | is NFSv4 in the kernel yet? |
| 01:36.44 | adu | abrotman: ya, but i'm not using netinst, I'm using the full 14 CDs |
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| 01:36.52 | abrotman | adu: eh .. why? |
| 01:36.53 | secher | Soooo.... I'll have to join 2 networks to have #e and #debian? Well, that just blows dead goats. |
| 01:37.06 | adu | abrotman: because the netinst version couldn't connect to the net |
| 01:37.09 | abrotman | secher: you don't have to .. #debian isn't moving .. just irc.debian.org |
| 01:37.16 | abrotman | adu: did you try 2.4 and 2.6 ? |
| 01:37.19 | ProphetPX | onetinsoldier well being it was n windows, it wasn't "too" surprising lol |
| 01:37.27 | felipefda | Any special confs to play wmv, avi, and others??? |
| 01:37.44 | onetinsoldier | ProphetPX: rofl.. hehe |
| 01:37.48 | adu | abrotman: yes, using both, linux2.6 couldn't understand "/dev/hda10" it says the device didn't exist, and linux2.4 worked |
| 01:38.05 | ProphetPX | there's an enlightenment channel here ?!?!??!?! |
| 01:38.15 | adu | ProphetPX: probably |
| 01:38.20 | secher | ProphetPX: #e |
| 01:38.36 | chealer | !tell ProphetPX about ep |
| 01:38.36 | ProphetPX | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh when the hell is the new one gona come out!! :-( |
| 01:38.37 | secher | ProphetPX: massive goodness. |
| 01:38.56 | secher | ProphetPX: I've been running 17 for about a year now. |
| 01:38.59 | ProphetPX | *shy grin* sorry lol |
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| 01:39.10 | abrotman | ProphetPX: stop being stupid |
| 01:39.19 | ProphetPX | k |
| 01:39.55 | abrotman | adu: you could try an unofficial netinst |
| 01:39.59 | secher | abrotman: you, my friend, have all of the subtlety of a 2X4. I like that. Refreshing. <grin> |
| 01:40.17 | abrotman | secher: you should see me at work! :) |
| 01:40.27 | secher | I can only imagine. |
| 01:40.30 | secher | brb' |
| 01:40.41 | habenix | And one more thing: Is it better to run the i386 version of Linux/Xen on a Xeon or the iA64 version? |
| 01:41.02 | dvs | habenix: ia64 won't work so 386 is better ;-) |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | ia64 is for itanium |
| 01:41.11 | sussudio | abrotman: are you moving to oftc or what |
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| 01:41.34 | abrotman | sussudio: dunno .. they might kill me |
| 01:41.35 | adu | how do I add iso9660 support? |
| 01:41.40 | abrotman | sussudio: where will Piggy go? :) |
| 01:41.47 | dvs | adu: modprobe iso9660 |
| 01:41.47 | habenix | I thought Xeon is a 64 bit processor?! |
| 01:41.54 | abrotman | it's not ia64 |
| 01:41.56 | sussudio | abrotman: i have no plans of moving Piggy or myself over there |
| 01:41.58 | abrotman | it's em64t |
| 01:42.11 | dvs | amd64 |
| 01:42.33 | habenix | amd64 from Intel? I dont get it! |
| 01:42.41 | dvs | !amd64 |
| 01:42.42 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 01:42.43 | abrotman | it's em64t .. same as amd64 |
| 01:42.46 | adu | when I type "mount /dev/cdrom -t iso9660 /media/cdrom" i get: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660'" |
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| 01:43.17 | abrotman | adu: if you burn an ISO too fast .. it doesn't work |
| 01:43.17 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
| 01:43.17 | abrotman | sussudio: why not ? |
| 01:43.18 | musashiden | what is the latest mysql package for debian? |
| 01:43.19 | habenix | abrotman: So there is no special version for that, is there? |
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| 01:43.30 | musashiden | all i can find is 4.1.11 |
| 01:43.31 | abrotman | musashiden: depends on your version of debian |
| 01:43.31 | sussudio | abrotman: no usercloaks, for one |
| 01:43.36 | musashiden | sarge |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | sussudio: that's one good one |
| 01:43.43 | adu | abrotman: I don't think its saying the CD is invalid I think its saying that linux doesn't understand iso9660 filesystems |
| 01:43.49 | abrotman | musashiden: that's the newest sarge has officially |
| 01:44.18 | habenix | abrotman: what would you use as a NAS protocol for linux? |
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| 01:44.20 | musashiden | aww... |
| 01:44.56 | abrotman | habenix: sneakernet |
| 01:45.09 | adu | why would a debian CD installer not have iso9660 support? |
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| 01:45.32 | abrotman | it does |
| 01:45.32 | dvs | ady: you're not listening |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | dvs: misfire |
| 01:46.33 | dvs | yup |
| 01:46.44 | fassa | hello, has anyone had any luck getting the netgear wg511v2 pcmcia card working on sarge? if could you please assist me in getting mine to work or at least give me a link to a help site |
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| 01:47.41 | chealer | fassa: first, find its chipset |
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| 01:47.55 | fassa | and how would i do that? |
| 01:48.30 | chealer | fassa: you could try lspci |
| 01:48.55 | chealer | fassa: ur, not sure that will work with PCMCIA. otherwise check the specifications |
| 01:49.16 | fassa | chealer: do i type that into the terminal ? |
| 01:49.22 | chealer | fassa: yes |
| 01:49.48 | fassa | chealer: even though my pc does not see the card at all? |
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| 01:50.11 | sussudio | abrotman: i don't think i could run 2 eggdrops in channels this big without Piggy's p2-266 going into convulsions |
| 01:50.54 | chealer | fassa: you PC does not see the card at all? did you mention that before? |
| 01:50.59 | ProphetPX | i have another problem lol I somehow (I don't remember how) installed the Toshiba fnfxd special keys package to my desktop pc (bad mistake) and now it won't remove :-( what do i do |
| 01:51.12 | ProphetPX | or where do i ask |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | sussudio: PII or k6 ? |
| 01:51.34 | sussudio | abrotman: PII |
| 01:51.53 | abrotman | sussudio: i had a bunch of PII 300 .. |
| 01:51.59 | Piggy | model name : Pentium II (Klamath) |
| 01:52.00 | Piggy | cpu MHz : 267.279 |
| 01:52.03 | adu | dvs: what should I be listening to? |
| 01:52.03 | abrotman | sussudio: probably not enough of a difference to matter |
| 01:52.09 | ProphetPX | I just got a couple PII's free from my LUG a month or 2 ago :-) |
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| 01:52.29 | dvs | <abrotman> adu: if you burn an ISO too fast .. it doesn't work |
| 01:52.36 | sussudio | abrotman: i'm getting a p2-300 and a 333 cpu for cheap. haven't decided if i'm going to put them in Piggy yet |
| 01:52.38 | abrotman | i said that! |
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| 01:52.57 | abrotman | sussudio: you need a P4 with 1GB for piggy! |
| 01:53.07 | sussudio | i don't have a P4 |
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| 01:53.59 | sussudio | i need something with 1GB to run the yearly stats, though. can't run that on Piggy. |
| 01:54.16 | adu | abrotman: but I made sure the CDs were verified to make sure they're readable, and they passed |
| 01:54.22 | secher | the following is steps to date in shortest form possible. bought SMC NNIC with Atheros chipset ar5212. module-assistant madwifi. apt-get --purge ndismodules. lsmod shows ath drivers. dmesg shows card. no lights on card. 3 new interfaces are now present, eth1, wifi0 and ath0. None of which are responsive to configuration. Ideas? |
| 01:54.23 | abrotman | ok .. if you say so |
| 01:54.42 | sussudio | PISG takes up logfilesize * 2 for running stats |
| 01:54.46 | sussudio | (in memory) |
| 01:55.01 | abrotman | sussudio: guess it will only get worse |
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| 01:55.17 | sussudio | abrotman: it's 100MB+ per month |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | sussudio: i'll stay here as long as there are enough people to help i guess .. if traffic gets too low ... i'd switch |
| 01:55.31 | abrotman | rather .. switch to OFTC |
| 01:55.38 | sussudio | :-P |
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| 01:56.08 | adu | so if the debian CD installer DOES have iso9660 support then why would it say "mount: unknown filesystem type iso9660"? |
| 01:56.36 | adu | do you think its because i'm using linux2.4? |
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| 01:57.41 | sussudio | !tell Kr0ntab about away |
| 01:58.07 | abrotman | adu: i think it's either your burning software .. or your CD drive |
| 01:58.23 | adu | abrotman: i think its the kernel I'm using |
| 01:58.37 | adu | I got it from the /install/powerpc/2.4 dir |
| 01:58.46 | abrotman | adu: from the where? |
| 01:59.03 | adu | abrotman: off of the 1st debian CD |
| 01:59.21 | abrotman | where's simonrvn when you need him |
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| 01:59.25 | adu | abrotman: aka debian cd 1 of 14 |
| 01:59.53 | adu | abrotman: from the debian powerpc binary version |
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| 01:59.57 | abrotman | the PSU mirror sucks! |
| 02:00.18 | secher | adu: are you running on a powerpc platform? |
| 02:00.38 | secher | nevermind. I'm coming into this midconversation. |
| 02:00.38 | adu | yes |
| 02:00.46 | adu | Macintosh PowerBook G3 |
| 02:00.48 | secher | I've got to get this NIC functioning. |
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| 02:02.42 | adu | and I'm using BootX as a bootloader, which requires that the kernel be on the mac partition |
| 02:03.07 | adu | so i have to grab the kernel and put it on the mac partition myself |
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| 02:04.48 | secher | can anyone tell me why I've got 2 new inverfaces on my system after I installed the madwifi modules et. al.? ath0 and wifi0. and tangentially, why, if dmesg sees the card, and lsmod shows he modules loaded the lights on the nic are not on/functional? |
| 02:05.55 | ProphetPX | i have another problem lol I somehow (I don't remember how) installed the Toshiba fnfxd special keys package to my desktop pc (bad mistake) and now it won't remove :-( what do i do |
| 02:06.08 | secher | I'll happily paste /var/log/syslog output, or dmesg or anything else to a pastebin somewhere. Google it turning up naught. |
| 02:06.19 | JNelson | hey, I just dist-upgraded to testing, and now I have a few problems, like my gdm hangs after I enter in my user and password, and when I do a 'startx gnome-session' I can run gnome, but no terminals will start |
| 02:06.28 | JNelson | no errors on the terminal programs either |
| 02:06.57 | JNelson | error messages at least ;) |
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| 02:07.53 | tdsch | secher: ath0 is your atheros device - http://madwifi.org/ - there's even several Debian howto's there |
| 02:07.56 | onetinsoldier | JNelson: how many times have you tried logging in with gdm since upgrading? |
| 02:08.05 | JNelson | onetinsoldier: several |
| 02:08.10 | onetinsoldier | roger |
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| 02:08.52 | konfuzed | ok so im lookin at replacing another suse server with debian tomorrow and I see there was debian 3.1 put out in April. I was going to use the previous net install disk I made in January and then upgrading but maybe thats a bad idea. would it be better to simply download the newest iso and just install the latest |
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| 02:09.56 | chealer | konfuzed: no |
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| 02:10.53 | redphoenix1 | is there a way to control the kde transluceny with keystrokes or with the mouse? |
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| 02:11.00 | onetinsoldier | JNelson: i don't know if it'll help, but you might try purging the package, then make sure that /etc/gdm is gone, and then reinstalliing gdm |
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| 02:11.12 | redphoenix1 | i just have it on the borders right now |
| 02:11.24 | redphoenix1 | but i am wondering if you can change it just for certain windows |
| 02:11.27 | JNelson | onetinsoldier: okay, but the problems don't seem limited to gdm |
| 02:11.33 | onetinsoldier | oh? |
| 02:11.43 | JNelson | like when I do a 'startx gnome-session' |
| 02:11.47 | JNelson | I can't open any terminals |
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| 02:11.57 | JNelson | gnome-terminal, xterm, rxvt all don't work |
| 02:11.58 | cmorgan | amd64.debian.net appears to have gone away. i found some wiki information that says to use an 'official mirror' but nothing that says how exactly apt knows that i want amd64 packages instead of i386 ones.... |
| 02:12.02 | JNelson | without error messages |
| 02:12.43 | JNelson | I'll try purging gdm though just in case |
| 02:13.45 | chealer | redphoenix1: ask #debian-kde |
| 02:14.09 | redphoenix1 | ok |
| 02:14.10 | abrotman | cmorgan: for sarge or what? |
| 02:14.11 | onetinsoldier | JNelson: i suppose dist-upgrading from one version to another can be a little messy. i did a netinstall of etch... no upgrading from lower version of debian. i've got everything working all good. how long were you using sarge or whatever it was before upgrading? |
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| 02:14.27 | cmorgan | abrotman: oh i'm sorry, i should have specified 'unstable' as the rev |
| 02:14.34 | caracal | bleh ... had a power blip, and when my etch system rebooted, my X no longer starts ... even more annoying, it blanks the screen and doesn't return to text mode (even though the prompt is still there ... i can type blind) ... no notable errors in the log, dunno what's up ... this is xorg 6.9.0 under etch with a matrox g400 |
| 02:14.45 | abrotman | cmorgan: yep .. it moved .. now in the main archive |
| 02:14.46 | JNelson | onetinsoldier: I had been inconsistantly upgrading overtime for a long time |
| 02:14.47 | caracal | is this related to the new X11R7 change in xorg? |
| 02:14.56 | JNelson | so yeah, messy :P |
| 02:15.01 | JNelson | I knew a dist-upgrade would be |
| 02:15.02 | chealer | cmorgan: APT knows it from dpkg |
| 02:15.07 | cmorgan | abrotman: how does it know what files to get? like how does it know to get a amd64 rev instead of a i386? |
| 02:15.07 | JNelson | purging gdm didn't help |
| 02:15.13 | cmorgan | chealer: from some host setup? |
| 02:15.26 | abrotman | cmorgan: do you believe in magic ? |
| 02:15.29 | gravity | caracal: X11R7 isn't in etch yet |
| 02:15.42 | cmorgan | abrotman, chealer: it did seem like magic but i'd rather not bork everything just to find out ;-) |
| 02:15.50 | chealer | cmorgan: you chose your arch when you downloaded an ISO to install... $ dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 02:16.01 | onetinsoldier | JNelson: for the gnome problems... you could try deleting all(or nearly all) .g* dirs from your home folder. really don't know if that'll solve your problems, but you are welcome to try it if you want |
| 02:16.02 | cmorgan | chealer: i see |
| 02:16.06 | yggdrasil_ | how do i set the acip screen shutdown .. to off basicly ? |
| 02:16.06 | konfuzed | chealer, what is your description or definition of why its better to use the install disk from january and then follow the list of upgrades ? |
| 02:16.07 | caracal | gravity: yeah, apparently not ... but why is the existing server not working now? i touched no configs, just regular dist-upgrades |
| 02:16.16 | cmorgan | chealer: that was the connection i was looking for |
| 02:16.30 | yggdrasil_ | hey abrotman that worked great thanks |
| 02:16.34 | caracal | gravity: i guess what i'm asking is, am i hitting a known issue in testing, that will be resolved "shortly"? |
| 02:16.35 | abrotman | yggdrasil_: what did? |
| 02:16.43 | gravity | caracal: I don't know, without errors in either /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.xsession-errors I can't say much |
| 02:16.47 | yggdrasil_ | the um |
| 02:16.53 | konfuzed | chealer, vs download the latest and install with no upgrades needed |
| 02:16.54 | yggdrasil_ | gxviewer |
| 02:16.55 | gravity | caracal: Not that I'm aware of |
| 02:16.57 | caracal | gravity: yeah, same here <grin> |
| 02:17.02 | yggdrasil_ | and gxveiwere-dev ;) |
| 02:17.04 | abrotman | yggdrasil_: oh .. ok .. glad to hear it :) |
| 02:17.10 | yggdrasil_ | im watching tv on it |
| 02:17.21 | ricochet | could someone point me to documents on how to move mail to a server (Maildir format) |
| 02:17.23 | caracal | i would love to see a recognizable error message ... then i would have a chink i could start prying on |
| 02:17.39 | JNelson | how do you properly purge debian settings? |
| 02:17.54 | chealer | konfuzed: it's not necessarily better, but it doesn't waste bandwidth. |
| 02:17.57 | onetinsoldier | JNelson: i probably should have said.... you could try deleting all(or nearly all) .g* dirs, AND files, from your home directory. ...in my last message |
| 02:17.59 | JNelson | there's too many hidden directories, I can't seem to get rid of htem all |
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| 02:18.19 | onetinsoldier | JNelson: dpkg --purge <package> ...is that what yourlooking for? |
| 02:18.29 | JNelson | maybe, but that's an awfully big gun |
| 02:18.51 | JNelson | but I should be able to reset my personal settings without doing that |
| 02:18.53 | ProphetPX | i think he meant about how to clean out all .dir's in a user folder |
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| 02:19.11 | onetinsoldier | JNelson: yes. i won't disagree. like i said... i suppose dist-upgrading can get a little messy. |
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| 02:19.15 | JNelson | even when I get rid of .gnome* and .gconf* I still seem to have the same background set :P |
| 02:19.21 | konfuzed | well if it requires a system wide update and kernel update then isn it about the same bandwidth downloaded? |
| 02:19.29 | JNelson | where are the settings actually kept? |
| 02:19.40 | caracal | the odd thing is, i looked in aptitude for "mga", and found a package xserver-xorg-video-mga ... which depends on xserver-xorg-core ... which is marked "UNAVAILABLE" ... and this immediately after an update |
| 02:19.44 | ProphetPX | they should put em in the user folder :-( |
| 02:19.55 | qBert | yo can any1 help me with my alienware laptop. i'm booted in knoppix std and my c:\ is now my optical drive. i fear my NTFS primary hard drive is corrupt.. it was labeled 2:1 in a alienwares system restore program??? i need help backing up sensitive files. |
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| 02:20.25 | fassa | chealer: ok heres what ive got , fresh sarge install on a dell c640 laptop no cd rom usb stick drive is plugged in but dont know if its mounted or not i have a netgear wireless WG511 V2 pcmcia card that the pc is not finding when i plush it in any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 02:20.29 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 02:20.29 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 02:20.37 | abrotman | qBert: and ask #knoppix |
| 02:20.39 | JNelson | 'rm -rf .gconf .gconfd .gnome .gnome2 .gnome2_private' doesn't help :( |
| 02:20.41 | ProphetPX | LOL |
| 02:20.52 | JNelson | what hell do I have to do? create a new user? |
| 02:20.53 | abrotman | !lol |
| 02:20.53 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 02:21.02 | ProphetPX | lol |
| 02:21.05 | abrotman | JNelson: move the image ? |
| 02:21.15 | JNelson | "the image"? |
| 02:21.23 | onetinsoldier | JNElson: funny, i was thingking about suggesting that you try that... lol |
| 02:21.26 | abrotman | use the Desktop applet to set your image to something else |
| 02:21.40 | JNelson | er, I don't want to actually change my background |
| 02:21.54 | onetinsoldier | JNElson: still, i don't know that'll help |
| 02:22.00 | JNelson | I just mean that if my custom background is still showing up, it means my settings haven't been reset |
| 02:22.11 | caracal | so why would a listed (and presumably available) package depend on another package that was "unavailable"? |
| 02:22.19 | ProphetPX | ha |
| 02:22.22 | caracal | i smell a half-done reorganization |
| 02:22.26 | chealer | fassa: what do you mean by "that the pc is not finding"? |
| 02:22.31 | JNelson | caracal: sloppiness, in a word |
| 02:22.42 | caracal | jnelson: quel surprise <g> |
| 02:23.10 | caracal | actually, that *is* surprising ... sloppiness is something i don't normally associate with debian, even testing |
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| 02:23.48 | caracal | and if for whatever reason they have to leave things in suspense, the word is usually spread pretty widely as to why and what's up |
| 02:23.55 | gravity | caracal: No, that's carefully planned |
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| 02:23.59 | ProphetPX | lol |
| 02:24.03 | caracal | heh |
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| 02:24.34 | onetinsoldier | JNElson: try deleting Desktop, .config, .nautilus .themes, ect.... hehe |
| 02:24.53 | onetinsoldier | .gtkrc* |
| 02:24.53 | JNelson | onetinsoldier: ahyeah, those directories |
| 02:24.59 | JNelson | too many dammit :( |
| 02:25.00 | caracal | i do know that xorg is about to become "modular", and these package names suggest that's what's happening ... and everything else suggests that i caught it in the middle |
| 02:25.06 | fassa | chealer: in other words when i boot up or push the card in the lights dont come on and the pc dosnt even acknowledge something has been added to the system like it does when i plug in my usb stick |
| 02:25.10 | onetinsoldier | JNelson: i know |
| 02:25.26 | secher | gravity: waiting patiently... |
| 02:25.45 | caracal | but dang, i hadn't updated in two-three weeks (*blush*) and this happened *before* my update ... testing doesn't usually stay broken for that long ... maybe it's my hardware |
| 02:25.48 | secher | for the explanation that is. |
| 02:25.53 | konfuzed | alrigth then , download ing the new net install iso |
| 02:26.01 | JNelson | okay, got some real errors finally |
| 02:26.05 | abrotman | though .. it is the ninth inning |
| 02:26.15 | JNelson | Failed to start message bus: Failed to read directory "/usr/share/dbus-1/services": No such file or directory |
| 02:26.18 | JNelson | EOF in dbus-launch reading address from bus daemon |
| 02:26.18 | abrotman | erm .. just about |
| 02:26.21 | chealer | fassa: I have no idea about the lights. what kind of acknowledgement are you getting with USB sticks? |
| 02:26.37 | caracal | man, i'd sure hate to have to fall back to xfree, but that's looking more likely as a (temporary) solution |
| 02:26.43 | secher | Oh FSCK.. there's a game on isn't there! |
| 02:26.46 | JNelson | so who's fault is that? which package needs a purge? |
| 02:26.48 | JNelson | I already did gdm |
| 02:26.51 | abrotman | secher: red sox .. |
| 02:26.54 | jerry_ | does anyone know how to change what network interface tries to access the internet? if I ifup eth1 the eth0 seems to lose it's connection |
| 02:26.58 | adu | hmm it says "VFS: Cannot open root device "hda10" or unknown-block(0,0)" what does that mean? |
| 02:27.00 | secher | I iknow. |
| 02:27.01 | onetinsoldier | JNelson: i have no idea off the top of my head |
| 02:27.03 | abrotman | secher: phillies game is over |
| 02:27.04 | secher | score? |
| 02:27.12 | abrotman | secher: 7-5 .. sox losing |
| 02:27.13 | gravity | caracal: Ok, so pieces of modular X have been pushed in early even though they can't be installed. This is to ease the transition and make it more manageable for the release team |
| 02:27.14 | fassa | chealer: it just shows the stick has been plugged in dosnt say if its mounted in fact i know its not mounted coz im tryin to access it and cant |
| 02:27.26 | secher | I'm rooting ofr the sox man, oh. bummer. |
| 02:27.28 | caracal | gravity: that makes sense |
| 02:27.31 | gravity | caracal: You still have the appropriate driver in your xserver-xorg package, which is from 6.9. This will work the same as ever. |
| 02:27.39 | caracal | yeah, one would think |
| 02:27.58 | gravity | caracal: The only major issue with this is in xdm, where the modular version went in early and was broken as a result. This will be fixed soon |
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| 02:28.02 | abrotman | maybe the release team should get it together! |
| 02:28.07 | gravity | caracal: So if you're not running xdm, this shouldn't be a problem |
| 02:28.17 | caracal | sadly, i don't use xdm |
| 02:28.19 | fassa | chealer: and i cant remember the command to mount it aint that sad |
| 02:28.41 | caracal | maybe i should try a full power-off/on reboot |
| 02:28.49 | dondelelcaro | gravity: oh, you saw my message about the xterm thing... i tlooks like the keymap for the macintosh is busted... the xfree86 keympa works fine though... |
| 02:29.01 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Yeah, that's what I figured, if you recall :-) |
| 02:29.01 | caracal | perhaps my poor old g400 had its brains fried by the power blip |
| 02:29.10 | jerry_ | noone? or am i hunting in the wrong place? heh |
| 02:29.12 | dondelelcaro | gravity: right |
| 02:29.14 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I've seen a few bug reports about the mac keymap upstream. I'm not sure if they're yours though |
| 02:29.17 | chealer | fassa: if you're talking about a window that pops up, it's normal that you don't get something similar with the PCMCIA card. try asking to the channel how to get the chipset of a wireless PCMCIA card, or try finding it yourself by looking at the card specifications, Google, etc. |
| 02:29.20 | gravity | (as in your bug) |
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| 02:30.01 | onetinsoldier | JNelson: do you have a package named... dbus installed? |
| 02:30.05 | dogmeat | which deb package do i need to install to get java compiler? |
| 02:30.14 | fassa | chealer: ok thanks for your help, one more quick question how would i mount a usb drive? |
| 02:30.24 | chealer | fassa: ask the channel |
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| 02:30.47 | JNelson | onetinsoldier: yes, I just purged and reinstalled it |
| 02:30.50 | JNelson | I think it worked :) |
| 02:30.57 | onetinsoldier | JNelson: cool |
| 02:30.58 | JNelson | but I need to restore my gnome settings first to be sure |
| 02:31.05 | onetinsoldier | roger |
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| 02:31.09 | caracal | gravity: thanks for the info, you've told me what i wanted to know (even though it's not what i was hoping to hear) ... that there's no widely-known brokenness in etch relating to xorg, aside from that xdm thing that doesn't apply to me ... so i must seek satisfaction down a different road, perhaps with the aid of a fire axe |
| 02:31.20 | gravity | caracal: Good luck |
| 02:31.22 | fassa | anyone , How do i mount my usb stick drive? im on a fresh sarge install thanks again chealer |
| 02:31.26 | caracal | thank you sir |
| 02:31.50 | recyclebin | lol |
| 02:31.55 | dogmeat | getting gcj |
| 02:32.15 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 02:32.16 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 02:32.25 | chealer | fassa: you should be able to figure that out with $ man mount; and knowing the USB stick's device file. do you know which file that is? |
| 02:32.37 | Alam_Debian | fassa, mount /dev/sd?# /mount/someusbstick |
| 02:32.38 | caracal | i believe i shall power-cycle my box, and sacrifice a (fried) chicken to the ghods of X ... wish me luck, ladies and germs |
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| 02:33.06 | fassa | chealer: im still a noob when it come to *nix |
| 02:33.52 | recyclebin | fassa, so? |
| 02:34.18 | JNelson | okay, my gnome needs a little bit of fine tunning |
| 02:34.21 | fassa | im still learning and im still unsure of how thing work |
| 02:34.23 | JNelson | but it looks like everything's working now |
| 02:34.31 | JNelson | thanks onetinsoldier :) |
| 02:34.50 | onetinsoldier | JNelson: hooray! you're welcome. :-) |
| 02:35.03 | onetinsoldier | i din't really do much.. hehe |
| 02:35.09 | onetinsoldier | *didn't |
| 02:35.18 | onetinsoldier | but glad it helped |
| 02:35.20 | JNelson | sounding boards are useful too ;) |
| 02:35.37 | recyclebin | sounding boards? |
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| 02:41.07 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:41.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 02:42.48 | slicent | how can I determine which video card I have to configure X without having to open my box? |
| 02:44.01 | gravity | slicent: lspci |
| 02:44.37 | onetinsoldier | slicent: i don't know if I can answer for sure... but what gravity said and then look in your xorg.conf, or xfree86.conf file for.... |
| 02:45.07 | gravity | /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log (depending on what you're running) would be a better way to tell than the conf file |
| 02:45.11 | onetinsoldier | the BusID line...... BusID "PCI:1:0:0" |
| 02:45.26 | onetinsoldier | gravity: ok... roger |
| 02:45.51 | slicent | onetinsoldier: why would I look in xfree86.conf if xfree86 is misconfigured right now? |
| 02:45.51 | abrotman | how does the busid line help ? |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 02:46.14 | abrotman | gravity: can you package fresco!?!?! |
| 02:46.35 | onetinsoldier | does BudID line not show the what vid card is being used for X? |
| 02:46.47 | abrotman | that wasn't really what he asked |
| 02:46.56 | onetinsoldier | k |
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| 02:50.40 | sid | I setup dpkg to not upgrade a particular package when I do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:50.44 | sid | How can I now lift that hold? |
| 02:51.07 | abrotman | explicitly install it |
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| 02:53.10 | jshriver | Anyone here use the MSI FX 5200 and know if/how you can do dual head... and can you use the svideo out as one of the heads? |
| 02:53.24 | yggdrasil_ | can somone tell me how to do power management from console... the screen shuts off every 10 or 15 minutes |
| 02:53.27 | abrotman | jshriver: using nvidia drivers? |
| 02:53.33 | abrotman | !blank |
| 02:53.34 | dpkg | from memory, blank is a budget screensaver for linux. To turn it off, run 'setterm -blank 0'. At the same time, you may want to add that to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 02:53.49 | jshriver | yeah |
| 02:53.54 | sid | thanks abrotman |
| 02:54.11 | jshriver | or can you use the DVI? someone in #linuxhelp seems to think it's possible.. but I dont have a /usr/share/NVIDIA* directory |
| 02:54.12 | yggdrasil_ | thanks abrot |
| 02:54.12 | sid | I thought you meant use snapshot or something...but what you meant was I just had to "apt-get install package" |
| 02:54.15 | yggdrasil_ | your the master |
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| 02:54.30 | Serinity | Hi everyone |
| 02:54.35 | yggdrasil_ | abrotman but it um.. |
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| 02:54.47 | yggdrasil_ | its in using x with fluxbox |
| 02:54.54 | Serinity | May anyone tell me the name of this program to output i a file and to stdout too please ? |
| 02:55.02 | abrotman | jshriver: ask #nvidia |
| 02:55.19 | abrotman | !tell yggdrasil_ about dpms |
| 02:55.23 | abrotman | yggdrasil_: but turn it off |
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| 02:57.06 | bdc334 | Serinity: look at the man page for tee |
| 02:57.08 | yggdrasil_ | abrotman ok thanks |
| 02:57.15 | jshriver | thanks |
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| 02:57.36 | Serinity | bdc334, yes, that's it, thanks |
| 02:57.38 | Serinity | :) |
| 02:58.30 | bnovc | which of these java packages should i install to get a basic java app to run |
| 02:58.34 | evilgeek | how does one put backports in one's sources.list while having the default version be stable? |
| 02:58.48 | yggdrasil_ | abrotman i dont understand the config monitor setting... is thatin xorg.conf ? |
| 02:58.49 | evilgeek | bnovc: install sun java. |
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| 02:58.54 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:58.56 | yggdrasil_ | thanks |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | Option "DPMS" "Off" |
| 02:59.15 | bnovc | evilgeek, is there some dash or something? |
| 02:59.25 | EvilSporkMan | what happened to my fonts? I just updated a bunch of X libs and my fonts are now suspiciously "blocky" (running testing) |
| 02:59.34 | evilgeek | bnovc: it's not in debian. |
| 02:59.46 | bnovc | evilgeek, oh ok...none of these packages will work? |
| 02:59.51 | abrotman | evilbulgarian: mine went .. like .. blurry :) |
| 03:00.03 | yggdrasil_ | abrotman Option "DPMS" "off" |
| 03:00.03 | yggdrasil_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.04 | evilgeek | they're all incomplete/broken implementations of java. |
| 03:00.04 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: but i don't care enough about fonts to give a shit |
| 03:00.11 | abrotman | yggdrasil_: yes |
| 03:00.17 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: mine eyes pain me |
| 03:00.18 | jshriver | anyone know where to download twinview? |
| 03:00.30 | abrotman | ask #nvidia ? |
| 03:00.46 | yggdrasil_ | ok thanks ill give it a shot |
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| 03:02.30 | evilgeek | !tell evilgeek about backports |
| 03:02.49 | jshriver | abrotman lol well tried noone responding or talking |
| 03:02.51 | evilgeek | !tell evilgeek about simple sid backport |
| 03:02.57 | evilgeek | is there a way to do this in private? |
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| 03:03.18 | onetinsoldier | eveilgeek: yes.... |
| 03:03.35 | Rockj | hum, why can't I manage to ls -ld /full/path/dir but ls -ld */ works for current PWD? (I want to print only directory's) |
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| 03:04.00 | evilgeek | onetinsoldier: how? |
| 03:04.01 | onetinsoldier | eveilgeek: just do a /msg dpkg <item> ..then just talk to dpkg in the 'dpkg' channel window that appears after doing that |
| 03:04.05 | evilgeek | oh. |
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| 03:04.21 | gravity_ | Sweet, the new evdev driver works |
| 03:04.30 | gravity_ | I wonder if I'm free from the tyranny of udev now |
| 03:04.51 | peterS | gravity_: eh? is that for keyboard, mouse, joystick, and/or what? |
| 03:05.08 | gravity_ | peterS: I'm just running it for the mouse currently |
| 03:05.14 | gravity_ | I may switch over for keyboard too |
| 03:05.27 | peterS | evdev supports all input devices the kernel does, so I wondered about the scope of the X driver |
| 03:05.54 | gravity_ | Yeah, it explicitly handles keyboard and mouse. Not sure about the others, they may just not be documented in the manpage yet |
| 03:06.01 | gravity_ | The driver is kinda nuts, but the default example works great |
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| 03:06.39 | peterS | well, auxilliary input devices aren't handled by the X core anyway, but by XInput. IIRC. so probably the evdev driver restricts its scope to keyboard + mouse |
| 03:07.08 | gravity_ | Ah |
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| 03:07.10 | peterS | does it claim to support hotplug? |
| 03:07.16 | gravity_ | Yes, aiui |
| 03:07.34 | gravity_ | Although true Xserver hotplugging isn't here yet. Soon, hopefully for 7.2 |
| 03:07.34 | peterS | evdev isn't like mousedev - with mousedev you just open /dev/input/mice and the kernel does all the hotplug magic for you. with evdev you're kind of on your own for that |
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| 03:10.44 | Kerr | I'm thinking of dual booting my desktop with windows xp to play about with it, since someone handed me an oem copy they don't need, but want to consider virtualisation first. Would it be possible to use Xen to run it instead? |
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| 03:12.26 | lila | how can I enlarge the image in mplayer? |
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| 03:13.55 | KodeK | Hi everyone. I've a couple of questions about a new USRobotics gigabit card I just got, and debian isn't recognizing it. |
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| 03:14.59 | KodeK | I just read that vanilla-kernel-source 2.6.13-rc1 added support to it. Could anyone guide me to the right direction? I'm using kernel 2.4 right now |
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| 03:16.06 | onetinsoldier | Kodek: what version of debian are you using? sarge? etch? |
| 03:16.10 | KodeK | sarge. |
| 03:16.45 | KodeK | onetinsoldier, I want to upgrade the kernel, but this box is headless, so if I screw up, it's gonna be a pain to get it working again :( |
| 03:16.58 | peterS | KodeK: I can verify whether this is true, about support for the card, if you have the machine powered up right now. run this: lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}' |
| 03:17.21 | peterS | KodeK: it should spit out xxxx:yyyy, we can use those numbers to determine whether new kernels do or do not support the chip |
| 03:17.30 | KodeK | It did. |
| 03:17.56 | KodeK | Well, I was reading a mailing list and it said that "vanilla-kernel-source 2.6.13-rc1" added support for it. |
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| 03:18.33 | peterS | KodeK: for example if it says 16ec:0116, that one is supported |
| 03:18.43 | KodeK | I have two, 16ec:0116 |
| 03:18.43 | KodeK | 10ec:8139 |
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| 03:19.11 | peterS | yeah, the 8139 is supported in all kernels since the beginning of time |
| 03:19.22 | KodeK | I have two NICS in that machine. One's the one I'm using to ssh into it. The other one shows up as a US Robotics card, but unknown at the same time. |
| 03:19.47 | KodeK | 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: U.S. Robotics: Unknown device 0116 (rev 10) |
| 03:19.59 | peterS | yeah, that one's supported in 2.6.16, so your information is probably correct |
| 03:20.04 | KodeK | Let me know if I go overboard on the copy/pasting, please :D |
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| 03:20.33 | KodeK | So what's the easiest way to go from 2.4 to 2.6.16? |
| 03:20.46 | KodeK | Not the easiest way; the safest way :) |
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| 03:21.31 | peterS | anyway. you should be able to get a newer kernel that works with sarge, from backports.org. I don't know the details on what all you need |
| 03:22.02 | KodeK | Let's just say that the last time I tried upgrading my kernel, I had to reinstall the whole OS. Heh. |
| 03:22.10 | peterS | and yes, I just verified that your new card is _not_ supported in 2.6.8, which is what sarge ships with |
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| 03:22.28 | KodeK | It probably wasn't necessary, but I come from a Windows world, where the easy way out is a reinstall :D |
| 03:22.59 | peterS | heh |
| 03:23.05 | ic3man05 | KodeK, I'll second that |
| 03:23.11 | KodeK | Haha |
| 03:23.34 | ic3man05 | windows is a pain all together though |
| 03:23.58 | KodeK | Hmm, let's just say that it's different :) |
| 03:24.01 | KodeK | very different |
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| 03:24.47 | KodeK | So, would you guys know where I could find info for a safe kernel upgrade? |
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| 03:26.05 | ic3man05 | !tell KodeK about sarge upgrade kernel |
| 03:26.11 | KodeK | Thanks :D |
| 03:26.35 | KodeK | I'll try that. Thank you :) |
| 03:26.41 | ic3man05 | anytime |
| 03:26.42 | peterS | KodeK: note, the line our bot just fed you isn't really helpful in your case |
| 03:26.42 | cshaman | Is None synonymous with False when used as a test case in an if statement? |
| 03:26.50 | KodeK | oh, and will that grab the latest release? |
| 03:26.51 | peterS | cshaman: in what language? |
| 03:27.09 | peterS | KodeK: it'll grab what is in sarge - which is 2.6.8 - which doesn't have the updated r8169 driver that you need |
| 03:27.15 | KodeK | :( |
| 03:27.17 | cshaman | peterS: I apologize, I thought I my #python window was still open. |
| 03:27.28 | peterS | ahh |
| 03:28.02 | ic3man05 | peterS: is there a way he can grab the etch kernel then? |
| 03:28.26 | peterS | ic3man05: he could but that requires other updated packages from etch. he wants backports.org probably |
| 03:28.38 | peterS | KodeK: http://backports.org/package.php?search=linux-image gives some instructions |
| 03:28.40 | ic3man05 | ok |
| 03:28.57 | KodeK | Thank you. |
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| 03:29.13 | peterS | KodeK: well, not very good instructions. the lines at the bottom show what to put in /etc/apt/preferences but you have to look elsewhere on the site for what to put in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:30.03 | KodeK | Hmm, I think this is going to get confusing. Will just upgrading to etch be easier? |
| 03:30.19 | Dwonis | cshaman: None and False are both false, but "None == False" is false, and "None is False" is also false |
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| 03:30.42 | cshaman | Dwonis: I just love Python :) |
| 03:31.00 | KodeK | Be right back. |
| 03:31.01 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: well, i was going to ask if just blowing sarge away and installing etch from scratch was a possibilty for you |
| 03:31.10 | peterS | KodeK: well, one thing you might do is to add etch to /etc/apt/sources.list and then just install linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 or similar, see what else it wants to upgrade in the process |
| 03:31.14 | KodeK | onetinsoldier, yeah, it could be. One sec though. |
| 03:31.41 | Dwonis | cshaman: It's not really that complicated. See http://www.python.org/doc/current/ref/Booleans.html#Booleans |
| 03:32.08 | Dwonis | cshaman: "In the context of Boolean operations, and also when expressions are used by control flow statements, the following values are interpreted as false ... " |
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| 03:32.15 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: you could dist-upgrade to etch, but sometimes that can be a little messy. but it's usually doable |
| 03:33.16 | adu | hey i figured out what my problem is! |
| 03:33.42 | adu | the only kernel modules I have are for linux2.6 and I was using linux2.4 thats why iso9660 isn't recognised |
| 03:33.44 | adu | :) |
| 03:34.00 | onetinsoldier | ah-ha |
| 03:34.08 | adu | now if only i could use linux2.6 |
| 03:34.11 | adu | ... |
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| 03:54.42 | PestPete | I've installed grome... |
| 03:54.47 | PestPete | How do I start it? |
| 03:54.54 | onetinsoldier | you mean gnome? |
| 03:55.11 | SimonRaven | !.xsession |
| 03:55.12 | dpkg | hmm... .xsession is : see the "xsession" entry, and/or startx(1) |
| 03:55.19 | SimonRaven | !xsession |
| 03:55.19 | dpkg | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 03:55.24 | gravity | PestPete: echo "gnome-session" > ~/.xsession |
| 03:55.26 | gravity | PestPete: Then startx |
| 03:55.34 | Dwonis | "simonrvn is now known as SimonRaven" ... but everyone just calls him "the geek formerly known as simonrvn" |
| 03:55.47 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 03:55.51 | PestPete | Agh pastebin |
| 03:56.01 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 03:56.04 | Dwonis | heh |
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| 03:56.31 | simonrvn | yay, xfce4 stuff borked |
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| 03:56.56 | onetinsoldier | simonrvn: ??? |
| 03:56.59 | jbrimble | Hey guys, I'm having problems using vi through SSH |
| 03:57.26 | jbrimble | I'm SSHing in with putty (Windows) and for some reason it's acting really dodgy. |
| 03:57.34 | jbrimble | Especially when I use the # symbol |
| 03:57.38 | simonrvn | dpkg: you don't have a memory, you have a database you silly bot |
| 03:57.49 | Dwonis | jbrimble: "dodgy"... is that the technical term? |
| 03:57.53 | PestPete | gravity, startx doesn't work, No such file or dir |
| 03:57.56 | Dwonis | jbrimble: details, please |
| 03:58.13 | Dwonis | PestPete: are you running startx in DOS? |
| 03:58.26 | PestPete | No, on the command line of the server |
| 03:58.27 | Dwonis | PestPete: oh, nevermind |
| 03:58.30 | PestPete | Under root. |
| 03:58.30 | jbrimble | Pressing SHIFT+3 to type a # causes the cursor to fly around all over the place |
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| 03:58.37 | gravity | PestPete: Install x-window-system |
| 03:58.53 | PestPete | grome wont work? |
| 03:58.56 | simonrvn | jbrimble: it's supposed to. enter insert mode |
| 03:58.58 | PestPete | Or doesn't need both? |
| 03:58.58 | gravity | PestPete: Not without X |
| 03:59.03 | PestPete | Ah |
| 03:59.06 | simonrvn | # is search for term under cursor |
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| 03:59.11 | Dwonis | PestPete: Crap, now I'm confusing "Bad command or file name" with ENOENT |
| 03:59.16 | jbrimble | ah, i see |
| 03:59.35 | PestPete | What is the command to install it? apt-get install x-windows-system ? |
| 03:59.44 | gravity | yes |
| 03:59.50 | Dwonis | PestPete: x-window-system, not x-windows-system |
| 03:59.57 | simonrvn | like he said, 'x-window-system' |
| 04:00.13 | simonrvn | !xwindows |
| 04:00.14 | dpkg | somebody said xwindows was NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 04:00.20 | PestPete | Sorry, I've only had Debian for afew hours |
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| 04:00.38 | Dwonis | !x windows trap |
| 04:00.45 | Dwonis | um... |
| 04:00.57 | PestPete | gravity, "Couln't find package x-windows-system" |
| 04:01.03 | simonrvn | ... |
| 04:01.05 | gravity | PestPete: "windows" is not "window" |
| 04:01.08 | onetinsoldier | it's.... x-window-system |
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| 04:01.27 | PestPete | oh |
| 04:01.28 | PestPete | Dam. |
| 04:01.34 | PestPete | I got it the wrong way around when you said that :P |
| 04:01.52 | simonrvn | there's a few here, dams |
| 04:02.09 | PestPete | Theres many in Australia. |
| 04:02.10 | gravity | la belle dame sans merci |
| 04:02.29 | PestPete | la water le dam |
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| 04:05.33 | KodeK | Hey everyone! I'm back, ready to upgrade :D |
| 04:05.36 | zak__ | Hi. "dumpe2fs -h" and "df" disagree mightily on the size of my filesystem - by over a gig. The filesystem passes a fsck with no warnings or anything. What else might cause this? |
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| 04:05.48 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: hi.. wb |
| 04:06.22 | simonrvn | a bug in dumpe2fs perhaps? |
| 04:06.31 | luddite | hi all, i'm having issues with vnc and my debian box.. once upon a time i could get a sweet display, now all i get is a command line prompt |
| 04:06.53 | Dwonis | zak__: try "df --si" |
| 04:07.24 | KodeK | who knows the bot command to tell me how to upgrade? :P |
| 04:07.35 | KodeK | !tell myself how to upgrade |
| 04:07.36 | KodeK | :D |
| 04:07.40 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 04:07.42 | KodeK | <dpkg> No, kodek, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 04:07.43 | Dwonis | !tell KodeK about rtfm |
| 04:07.44 | KodeK | Hahah. |
| 04:07.46 | luddite | sudo apt-get update |
| 04:07.49 | Dwonis | KodeK: just kidding |
| 04:07.50 | luddite | sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 04:07.59 | Dwonis | KodeK: what luddite said |
| 04:08.04 | zak__ | Dwonis: No, not even at that level - they disagree on 4096k block counts. |
| 04:08.08 | KodeK | Dwonis, I was all reading it :) |
| 04:08.15 | onetinsoldier | !sarge to etch |
| 04:08.15 | luddite | or rather before that, sudo apt-get clean |
| 04:08.20 | onetinsoldier | hmmm |
| 04:08.25 | luddite | then sudo apt-get update |
| 04:08.34 | luddite | to etch? why |
| 04:08.39 | PestPete | I installed window x |
| 04:08.40 | luddite | sarge is awesome |
| 04:08.42 | KodeK | i need to upgrade to etch, not just the packages |
| 04:08.44 | PestPete | It almost worked. |
| 04:08.58 | PestPete | it flickered onto grome |
| 04:08.59 | KodeK | luddite, sarge IS awesome, until my new NIC wasn't detected :( |
| 04:09.09 | PestPete | then it went back to command line saying "waiting for x server to shutdown" |
| 04:09.12 | Dwonis | zak__: hmm... "sync ; dumpe2fs ..." ? |
| 04:09.34 | zak__ | Dwonis: Nope, syncing makes no difference either :( |
| 04:09.58 | zak__ | Dwonis: I wouldn't care, except it's a whole gig different. |
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| 04:10.12 | Dwonis | zak__: oh wait... reserved blocks? |
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| 04:10.18 | zak__ | Dwonis: Set to 0% |
| 04:10.24 | KodeK | Is etch much different from sarge? I remember woody was pretty different. Cause if it is, I think I might install it on a VM to play around with it before upgrading. |
| 04:11.00 | Dwonis | zak__: hmm... what about the space that would be occupied by inodes and stuff... Does df *ever* report the same thing as dump*fs? |
| 04:11.02 | luddite | yes sarge and etch are different, especially because the x-environment is now X.org |
| 04:11.14 | KodeK | luddite, I don't use X at all. It's a headless box :D |
| 04:11.43 | KodeK | I'm running apache, postfix, proftpd, and some other software. |
| 04:12.07 | zak__ | Dwonis: Well, I dunno, but I'd imagine so. Maybe not, maybe I'm looking for a problem when there isn't one. |
| 04:12.40 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: well, i wouldn't say it's all that much different. i suppose it depends in how you look at it. to me it's gnu/linux debian. etch just has some newer stuff is all |
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| 04:13.18 | KodeK | onetinsoldier, I think I'm going to back up my /etc/ and I'll do a reinstall. I need to clean everything up anyway. |
| 04:13.22 | ice_1963 | Kodek, what do use for a web browser? |
| 04:13.23 | KodeK | I have folders all over the place. |
| 04:13.47 | KodeK | ice_1963, my desktops run tiger and windows. i use firefox |
| 04:13.48 | Dwonis | zak__: I know that I often get 0 blocks free in df, and yet I can still write stuff to the filesystem (as root, I think), but I always just assumed it was the reserved blocks thing |
| 04:14.13 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 04:14.18 | zak__ | Dwonis: What does "dumpe2fs <your root dev> | grep 'Block count" say on yours, versus df's total blocks for the same device? |
| 04:14.21 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: the kernel stuff is slightly different. in etch you have something called udev and module-assistant instead of hotplug and modutils |
| 04:14.46 | zak__ | Dwonis: Whoops, add a ' there |
| 04:14.52 | Dwonis | zak__: and a -h |
| 04:15.00 | KodeK | onetinsoldier, I never really needed to play around with them, so I don't know if it'll really affect me. |
| 04:15.07 | onetinsoldier | but other than that... it's the same |
| 04:15.10 | zak__ | Dwonis: Well, there's a grep :) |
| 04:15.27 | Dwonis | zak__: yeah, but it takes a lot longer without it :) |
| 04:15.43 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: it's really probably better for you to get etch installed for your new nic. ;-) |
| 04:15.56 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: you could dist-upgrade to etch, but sometimes that can be a little messy. but it's usually doable |
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| 04:16.06 | PestPete | Is it "API-GET" |
| 04:16.20 | PestPete | It says command not found. |
| 04:16.23 | KodeK | apt-get |
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| 04:16.27 | luddite | lower case bro |
| 04:16.28 | Dwonis | zak__: 19860120 for "dumpe2fs -h /dev/hda2 | grep 'Block count'" |
| 04:16.32 | luddite | man apt |
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| 04:16.52 | Dwonis | zak__: 1825715 for "df -B 4096 /" |
| 04:17.04 | Dwonis | or whoops |
| 04:17.27 | Dwonis | zak__: 19548044 for "df -B 4096 /" |
| 04:17.28 | PestPete | api-get command not found |
| 04:17.28 | zak__ | Dwonis: OK, that's the kinda discrepancy I'm seeing. I wonder what the difference is made up of. |
| 04:17.42 | PestPete | Its apt-get. |
| 04:17.49 | zak__ | Dwonis: Ah, no, wait... |
| 04:17.50 | Dwonis | zak__: my guess is raw disk blocks vs. usable space |
| 04:17.59 | PestPete | Or something |
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| 04:18.29 | KodeK | PestPete, it's apT, not I |
| 04:18.39 | KodeK | PestPete, what are you trying to do? |
| 04:18.46 | KodeK | update your system? |
| 04:18.52 | KodeK | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 04:19.01 | Dwonis | zak__: and the journal (in the case of ext3) |
| 04:19.09 | zak__ | Dwonis: What would you say the difference is? Apart from something like a journal, and inodes which are limited |
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| 04:20.15 | Dwonis | zak__: inodes aren't that limited, it seems |
| 04:20.38 | Dwonis | zak__: for me, I have inode size: 128, inode count: 9945088 |
| 04:20.53 | Dwonis | zak__: 19860120 - (128/4096.0 * 9945088) -> 19549336.0 |
| 04:21.08 | Dwonis | zak__: which is very close to my block count of 19548044 |
| 04:21.43 | zak__ | Dwonis: Ah, this could well be it. |
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| 04:22.33 | Dwonis | zak__: and I get the superblocks take up the rest of the space |
| 04:22.39 | Dwonis | zek__: s/get/bet/ |
| 04:23.02 | zak__ | Dwonis: Didn't think there were that many of them |
| 04:23.20 | Dwonis | zak__: there aren't, but for me the difference is only 1292 * 4096 bytes |
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| 04:24.03 | Dwonis | zak__: heh. from the manpage: "BUGS: You need to know the physical filesystem structure to understand the output." |
| 04:24.33 | wer1wer1 | Hey, I fixed my xorg X1600 pro blank screen issue. Tralala told me to update dpkg? I am not really sure how. ati+xorg blankscreen. I am not really well versed in IRC. Can anyone help? |
| 04:24.45 | Dwonis | zak__: or, more likely, the journal |
| 04:24.57 | zak__ | Dwonis: Which manpage? |
| 04:25.04 | Dwonis | zak__: man dumpe2fs |
| 04:25.12 | zak__ | Ah |
| 04:25.22 | zebalin4 | Anyone been able to run Quicktime files (.mov) on Kaffeine? I go to http://www.apple.com/imac/ and it crashes with error: http://kanotix.pastebin.com/748036 |
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| 04:25.54 | zak__ | Dwonis: Alright. 5MB of discrepancy I can live with. Cheers for lending your brain :) |
| 04:25.56 | Dwonis | zak__: you could always "dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/some/scratch/file bs=4096" and see how big the file gets before you get a disk full error |
| 04:26.25 | KodeK | !sarge to etch |
| 04:26.32 | zak__ | Dwonis: I'm gonna poke around the kernel source and see where the statvfs values come from |
| 04:26.37 | KodeK | Ah! what's the command? |
| 04:26.49 | Dwonis | zak__: also, note that when you're *creating* the filesystem, you can choose to have fewer inodes, if you don't plan to have a lot of files |
| 04:26.55 | Dwonis | zak__: no problem :) |
| 04:28.24 | onetinsoldier | !sarge->etch |
| 04:28.29 | KodeK | !sarge->etch |
| 04:28.34 | onetinsoldier | crap |
| 04:28.38 | onetinsoldier | not working |
| 04:28.38 | KodeK | <dpkg> Someone already said that 5 seconds ago haha |
| 04:29.11 | onetinsoldier | !dist-upgrade sarge->etch |
| 04:30.17 | zak__ | Dwonis: Ah, free block/inode bitmaps too |
| 04:30.24 | zak__ | Dwonis: http://www.linux-m32r.org/lxr/http/source/fs/ext2/super.c#L1042 |
| 04:30.39 | PestPete | Is it possable for me to edit a file owned by root using a non-root account? |
| 04:30.44 | PestPete | I know the root password. |
| 04:31.04 | PestPete | I'm trying to gedit something and it wont let me :| |
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| 04:31.30 | KodeK | PestPete, sudo gedit /path/to/file |
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| 04:31.59 | gentgeen__ | PestPete, su -c "gedit /path/to/file" if you do not have sudo installed (then go and install sudo) |
| 04:32.00 | Dwonis | zak__: ah, interesting :) |
| 04:32.10 | PestPete | Thanks |
| 04:32.43 | KodeK | So what's the bot command so it can tell me how to upgrade to etch? |
| 04:32.54 | onetinsoldier | well, it is supposed to be.... |
| 04:32.57 | onetinsoldier | !sarge->etch |
| 04:32.59 | onetinsoldier | that' |
| 04:33.08 | onetinsoldier | is supposed to work! |
| 04:33.11 | KodeK | Hah |
| 04:33.18 | onetinsoldier | i don't know why it's not |
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| 04:33.49 | zak__ | Dwonis: Always found it a little odd that the journal shows up as used-up space in df; would expect a "overhead += journalsize" in there somewhere |
| 04:33.54 | KodeK | Oh, another thing. Does etch still have 2.4 as an option? |
| 04:34.04 | KodeK | Cause the whole point of this upgrade would be to get 2.6.16 |
| 04:34.08 | onetinsoldier | Kodek: not really |
| 04:34.14 | Dwonis | zak__: hmm... come to think of it, I think whenever I create a new filesystem, there's already some used space |
| 04:34.16 | KodeK | So will it get 2.6 for me? :D |
| 04:34.29 | zak__ | Dwonis: Probably about 32M :) |
| 04:34.44 | onetinsoldier | yep.. unless you use the 'netinstall' diskettes to install etch from scratch |
| 04:34.45 | gentgeen__ | KodeK, most likely you will have to specify that you want a new kernel |
| 04:34.51 | ice_1963 | 2.6.16 is in sid |
| 04:34.52 | Dwonis | zak__: It has to do with the structure of ext3. If you mount an ext3 filesystem as ext2, you'll see a file called .journal in the root |
| 04:35.15 | gentgeen__ | at least if you want the specific 2.6.16 |
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| 04:35.28 | KodeK | ice_1963, I'm just trying to get my new USRobotics gigabit NIC to work :/ I know they added support for it in... |
| 04:35.32 | KodeK | vanilla-kernel-source 2.6.13-rc1 |
| 04:36.12 | zak__ | Dwonis: Ah, makes sense actually - you can probably resize the journal as well as add and remove it, so there's no accounting for it at FS creation time, so you can't really reserve space to hide it. |
| 04:38.07 | zak__ | Dwonis: If it were fixed, they'd hide it before the first data block and "blocks before first_data_block are overhead" would take care of it. I love it when a plan comes together :) |
| 04:38.29 | Dwonis | zak__: heh :) |
| 04:38.42 | KodeK | So basically, all I need to do is get rid of 2.4 and get anything post- 2.6.13-rc1 |
| 04:38.48 | KodeK | in sarge :D |
| 04:39.05 | ice_1963 | kodek, do you have an amd or intel |
| 04:39.12 | Dwonis | zak__: although now don't quote me on the /.journal thing... I can't seem to find it anymore |
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| 04:39.19 | KodeK | That box has an intel proc. |
| 04:39.22 | KodeK | why? |
| 04:39.31 | Dwonis | zak__: but I think it's something like that |
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| 04:39.53 | zak__ | Dwonis: Well, it's a (fairly) normal inode for sure, 'cause you can examine it with debugfs |
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| 04:40.39 | ice_1963 | amd you install linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 intel 486 :) |
| 04:40.57 | Dwonis | zak__: oh, I know it's an inode, it's just that when I umount an ext3 filesystem and remount it as ext2, there is no /.journal anywhere |
| 04:40.58 | KodeK | it's a p4 northwood, though. heh |
| 04:41.07 | ice_1963 | 486 |
| 04:41.13 | KodeK | oh |
| 04:41.21 | adamant1988 | Does anyone know how long until Etch will be released as 'stable'? |
| 04:41.27 | Dwonis | zak__: though maybe that's only for dirty filesystems, or the recent 2.6 code did away with that |
| 04:41.29 | KodeK | Right now, im using 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 04:41.50 | ice_1963 | that's right |
| 04:42.07 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: from what i have seen on here sometime around December |
| 04:42.09 | zak__ | Dwonis: *shrug* Don't recall ever having seen it myself. Don't remember ever having mounted an ext3 as ext2 and being bothered to ls -la / :) |
| 04:42.23 | adamant1988 | It's my understanding that it will include better support for USB devices like hard disks, and that's something I really could use. I'm runny Sarge on my laptop, but I'm considering putting Ubuntu on it while I wait for the next debian release |
| 04:42.25 | KodeK | Isn't there a way to just upgrade the module for my nic? |
| 04:42.58 | Supaplex | and what, harass the kernel maintainers to keep track of that stuff to? please... |
| 04:42.59 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: why not install etch now? i'm running it |
| 04:43.18 | adamant1988 | I'm a newb and the word 'unstable' scares me, lol. |
| 04:43.25 | Supaplex | it should |
| 04:43.36 | Supaplex | !tell adamant1988 -about sid |
| 04:43.43 | zak__ | Dwonis: Right, now we've sorted that and I feel comfortable with the real size, I just need a way to resize its partition but keep the beginning nailed to the spot... :) |
| 04:43.54 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: it's not scary... and 'unstable' is 'sid'.. not 'etch'. |
| 04:44.21 | adamant1988 | I see. Yeah, I don't need really bleeding edge stuff, but I NEED my external harddrive to work |
| 04:44.43 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: and i have run sid before... over three and a half years ago, but i wasn't a newbie, so i do know what you mean. but etch is fine |
| 04:44.59 | Supaplex | adamant1988: my external drives work just fine. if it's just a matter of a recent kernel, you can roll your own. |
| 04:45.14 | Dwonis | onetinsoldier: is it? Yesterday somebody said that X was borked |
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| 04:45.51 | adamant1988 | I suppose it wouldn't hurt me to download the netinstall CD and give it a shot. |
| 04:45.53 | onetinsoldier | Dwonis: oh? hmmm, i'm running etch and i'm in X right now.... |
| 04:46.04 | sk4nK | hey all, i'm on sarge, and i'm trying to upgrade mysql. i can't seen to get anything over v4.0 I've run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade mysql-server, but it only installed a different 4.0.. how do i upgrade to 4.1 or 5? |
| 04:46.23 | onetinsoldier | i'm using... xserver-xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 |
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| 04:46.37 | Dwonis | onetinsoldier: right, so am I, but apparently there were some Xorg 6 packages and some Xorg 7 packages, which broke everything |
| 04:46.55 | Supaplex | yay breakage |
| 04:47.08 | onetinsoldier | Dwonis: oh? are we in trouble if we do a dist-upgrade right now? hehe |
| 04:47.18 | Dwonis | onetinsoldier: no idea |
| 04:47.24 | Dwonis | onetinsoldier: It might have just been someone on drugs, and in any case if that's the case it'll probably be fixed right away |
| 04:47.27 | adamant1988 | <----- scared again |
| 04:47.36 | onetinsoldier | roger.. i think i'll aviod dist-upgrade for right now then... |
| 04:47.38 | Dwonis | onetinsoldier: people tend not to like X to be broken for long periods of time |
| 04:47.41 | onetinsoldier | *avoid |
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| 04:48.42 | onetinsoldier | Dwonis: yeah, i can underastand that. it is possible to put X packages on 'hold' status and then dist-upgrade if really desired. ;-) |
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| 04:51.10 | onetinsoldier | i'm not scared... let me see what happens if i do a dist-upgrade right now |
| 04:51.17 | adamant1988 | does sarge respond well to having a more recent kernel installed or should I juse etch? |
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| 04:52.21 | onetinsoldier | the list of packages to be upgraded have no x-window packages. no mixup here |
| 04:53.01 | Dwonis | adamant1988: I dunno. Is module-init-tools in sarge? |
| 04:53.07 | Dwonis | adamant1988: also, udev? |
| 04:53.28 | adamant1988 | I have no idea, I'm using this as a desktop system and a learning tool to get myself into using linux |
| 04:53.29 | onetinsoldier | i believe you have to use etch to get those |
| 04:53.52 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 04:53.54 | adamant1988 | I'm very new to linux in general.. I was told slackware was where I should start, but my install didn't go very well. |
| 04:54.43 | Tuborgn | I kinda screwed up a machine. It was at 1% format when I remembered there was an important file on there that I really need. now when I start the computer I get an "error load operating system" message. What are my option here? And how much does it cost to take a laptop into a data recovery place to it retrieved. Any suggestions would be grealy appreciated. |
| 04:54.55 | adamant1988 | I tried a host of user friendly distrobutions that just made me feel confined... so I came to debian.. I've liked it so far, but I can't get my external hard disk to mount |
| 04:55.14 | adamant1988 | distributions* |
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| 04:56.05 | Tuborgn | and when I mean any suggestions I mean any. My mom is going to kick my ass |
| 04:56.19 | jetscreamer | Tuborgn: it costs a lot. you 'may' be able to recover it on your own. but if it 'really' matters, don't touch the hd take it out and take it to the recovery place. |
| 04:56.37 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: so you got sarge installed ok? how much headache was it for you to get sarge installed and working all good? |
| 04:56.44 | Tuborgn | how much is a lot? |
| 04:56.55 | jetscreamer | 60-200 bucks an hour maybe |
| 04:56.58 | jetscreamer | depending |
| 04:57.04 | jetscreamer | google it |
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| 04:57.26 | adamant1988 | onetinsoldier: My first install didn't go so well, I did a net install and it timed out on several important X packages. So I had no X. a second install went much better, I had to reconfigure my mouse, but that was about it |
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| 04:57.42 | Supaplex | ask them for a quote. if you're as paranoid as I can be, buy another of the same drive and copy it block for block before you interact with it. |
| 04:57.42 | Tuborgn | okay and how could I do this on my own? |
| 04:58.06 | ice_1963 | tell your mom lol |
| 04:58.10 | adamant1988 | Can't knoppix be used as a disk to get info off a dead HD? |
| 04:58.24 | jetscreamer | you need some lowlevel access tool |
| 04:58.29 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: well, then etch won't be much of a problem for you. if you decide you want to do a net install of it i can tell you of the 'gotcha' i ran into |
| 04:58.31 | jetscreamer | restore the fat luke |
| 04:58.45 | Tuborgn | I have knoppix handy. |
| 04:58.45 | adamant1988 | what's that onetinsoldier? |
| 04:58.57 | Supaplex | Tuborgn: what file were you after, and what file type was it? |
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| 04:59.15 | Tuborgn | its a folder that has wedding photos in it. |
| 04:59.23 | jetscreamer | uh oh |
| 04:59.23 | adamant1988 | I think in Knoppix you need to mount the hard drive and then find your files. |
| 04:59.28 | jetscreamer | you're dead now :) |
| 04:59.31 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: just give me one minute.... |
| 04:59.35 | Tuborgn | yeah I know |
| 04:59.42 | jetscreamer | you can't mount it if the fat got destroyed |
| 04:59.43 | jetscreamer | oh hey |
| 04:59.50 | jetscreamer | WHAT did you use to do the hd |
| 04:59.59 | jetscreamer | 'format' |
| 05:00.06 | jetscreamer | windows or linux |
| 05:00.22 | Tuborgn | windows ntfs |
| 05:00.32 | jetscreamer | you used the ms tools to format the hd? |
| 05:00.40 | Tuborgn | yes |
| 05:01.01 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: ok. the first time i went through the net install and it was finished installing just the very basic system, it then presents you with a screen that has two things checked to install some more packages. they are... 'standard' and 'desktop' |
| 05:01.10 | jetscreamer | you need something like norton |
| 05:01.36 | Tuborgn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.44 | jetscreamer | try ultimatebootcd.com and ubcd4win.com |
| 05:01.47 | jetscreamer | it 'might |
| 05:01.49 | adamant1988 | yeah? which did you install? last time I just selected the desktop option |
| 05:01.49 | jetscreamer | ' |
| 05:02.11 | Tuborgn | anyone ever use this captive ntfs program with knoppix before? |
| 05:02.27 | adamant1988 | try asking that in the knoppix channel :) |
| 05:02.30 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: when i left theose checked and proceeded, it got like 17% of the way along then hung. i tried again. same thing. next time i unchecked 'standard' and 'desktop'.. and then that was it. rebooted and there i was... with a very basic installation. bit i now had etch installed! |
| 05:02.41 | jetscreamer | it probably won't mount it because you halfway formatted it. worth a shot. |
| 05:02.41 | Tuborgn | adamant - way ahead of you. |
| 05:02.47 | jetscreamer | DONT write to the hd |
| 05:03.01 | jetscreamer | make an image and back it up |
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| 05:03.21 | adamant1988 | onetinsoldier, you're saying DO NOT install the desktop or standard options? |
| 05:04.08 | Tuborgn | alrighty, I'm going to give this ntfs captive thing a shot, then I'm going to try norton if that doesn't work and then its taking it to a data recovery place. |
| 05:04.26 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: well, i had etch installed with a 2.4.x kernel. the net install leaves you with a 2.4.x kernel. so you have to then apt-get a 2.6.15 kernel, which installs 'udev'. and then make sure you purge the 2.4.x kernel and modutils and install 'module-assistant'.. but that is it! no other gotchas. |
| 05:05.16 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: yes. that is what i'm saying.. DO NOT install the dektop or standard... exactly |
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| 05:05.21 | adamant1988 | so etch defaults to the 2.4.X kernel? not the 2.6.X kernel? |
| 05:05.38 | stjepan | How to get this menu "Computer" in the top left corner? http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/img/transparency1.jpg ?? |
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| 05:06.07 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: if you download a cd iso image you probably get a 2.6.x kernel out of the gate. but not with the net install diskettes |
| 05:06.26 | adamant1988 | Oh I see.. etch is not 14 disks large is it? |
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| 05:06.46 | adamant1988 | I have 100 blank CD-R's, but I don't feel like downloading 14 isos |
| 05:06.54 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: no. it's like 3 diskettes... |
| 05:07.06 | ice_1963 | not the net install |
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| 05:07.26 | onetinsoldier | i used 3 floppies.. don't even know if i really needed the third(extra drivers) one |
| 05:08.00 | adamant1988 | well, I'd like to get a working desktop solution with at least SOME programs included. I can install my own, but I'm more in favor of installation from source. |
| 05:08.02 | chealer | "I'm very new to linux in general.. I was told slackware was where I should start, but my install didn't go very well." -> muahahahaha |
| 05:08.10 | onetinsoldier | the net install is really quite nice... a few floppies and your off to the races |
| 05:08.18 | chealer | did anyone made that a quote of the day yet? |
| 05:08.37 | adamant1988 | Chealer, they said it was the best for me because I wanted to learn linux. |
| 05:08.52 | adamant1988 | The install didn't go well because I had a bad iso. |
| 05:08.52 | chealer | adamant1988: LOL |
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| 05:09.22 | gravity | It'd be a shame if I never got to it |
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| 05:09.44 | KodeK | So, I'm back :D |
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| 05:10.06 | chealer | gravity: you already know how to get X to work. just a few hundreds of packages to go |
| 05:10.07 | onetinsoldier | hi again KodeK |
| 05:10.09 | KodeK | Sarge. 2.4, I need to upgrade to 2.6.13-rc1+, anyone? :P |
| 05:10.16 | gravity | heh |
| 05:10.16 | ice_1963 | did you install etch |
| 05:10.21 | onetinsoldier | !dist-upgrade |
| 05:10.22 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 05:10.38 | KodeK | sarge->etch |
| 05:10.41 | KodeK | !sarge->etch |
| 05:10.50 | onetinsoldier | i don't know why that doesn't work! |
| 05:10.51 | KodeK | Even the bot hates me. |
| 05:10.53 | KodeK | Haha |
| 05:10.54 | adamant1988 | onetinsoldier, what do you get installed automatically if you leave out both the desktop and standard options? |
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| 05:11.23 | KodeK | Isn't there a way to get the kernel without having to upgrade the whole thing? |
| 05:11.35 | KodeK | Or even better, just the module for my nic! :D |
| 05:11.40 | ice_1963 | kodek, jest do a fresh install of etch |
| 05:11.42 | chealer | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 05:11.43 | dpkg | (Sarge too old for you already? Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch', and replace the security.debian.org line by a testing security line (ask me about testing security). Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then subscribe to d-d-a (/msg dpkg d-d-a) or I will come and pour ho |
| 05:12.36 | ice_1963 | that's the best way |
| 05:12.39 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: it leaves you with a 'very basic' install. but hey, that's all i needed becuase apt-get is all that's needed after that. well, actually i used aptitude to make it a little easier. i used it to simply install anything else i wanted. |
| 05:12.53 | KodeK | I really wouldn't want to do a fresh install. I have too much crap to back up. |
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| 05:12.58 | adamant1988 | Gotcha :) |
| 05:13.02 | Dwonis | chealer: "or I will come and pour ho"... what? |
| 05:13.08 | chealer | Dwonis: needs fixing |
| 05:13.17 | KodeK | I might upgrade, but if I could just get the nic working, I'd be set. |
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| 05:13.37 | KodeK | Don't fix what's not broken, right? :) |
| 05:13.39 | Dwonis | I wonder if somebody's been vandalizing dpkg's database |
| 05:13.55 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 05:14.12 | ice_1963 | that's right :) |
| 05:14.17 | chealer | Dwonis: no, it's been like that since at least one month IIRC |
| 05:14.18 | onetinsoldier | adamant1988: it does mean you will be 'aptituding' for a little while after the very basic installation is done, but etch is worth it imo |
| 05:16.24 | chealer | dpkg: no, sarge->etch is <reply>Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 05:16.24 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 05:16.29 | chealer | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 05:16.29 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 05:16.56 | chealer | I removed that testing security stuff, someone else may want to confirm that's OK |
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| 05:18.19 | KodeK | update this line too? deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 05:18.34 | chealer | KodeK: yes, change "stable" to "etch" |
| 05:19.14 | KodeK | Heh heh. What I'm getting into... :) |
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| 05:19.54 | tilrman | chealer: I'd prefer if the last line just said: Ask me about testing security, and d-d-a, and dist-upgrade . . . or something to that effect. |
| 05:20.17 | chealer | tilrman: why testing security? |
| 05:20.34 | tilrman | That is, dont explain them, just mention them so that I know to read them |
| 05:20.37 | KodeK | it says it's going to delete postfix-tls proftpd-common |
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| 05:21.07 | tilrman | chealer: well it was there before, and it seemed useful |
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| 05:21.31 | KodeK | I'm using both tls support for postfix and proftpd. Will this screw it up? :/ |
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| 05:21.39 | chealer | tilrman: it was previously, before the testing-security archive move, but I don't think it is still useful |
| 05:22.23 | tilrman | chealer: oh . . . i wonder then why my own sources.list is doing :-) |
| 05:22.31 | tilrman | s/why/what/ |
| 05:22.36 | KodeK | Also, it says it's going to upgrade to kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386, not 2.6 :( |
| 05:22.40 | chealer | tilrman: which proftpd packages do you have installed? |
| 05:23.05 | chealer | KodeK: hum, what's your current Linux image? |
| 05:23.13 | chealer | tilrman: sorry |
| 05:23.15 | KodeK | chealer, you're probably talking to me :D. I don't know, the main ones to make proftpd work :D |
| 05:23.38 | KodeK | I'm using some 2005 version of 2.4 in sarge. |
| 05:23.52 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: i don't know for sure, but for that type of thing, it wouldn't surprise me if it ends up taking some fixing/reconfiguring on your part |
| 05:23.59 | chealer | KodeK: "postfix-tls proftpd-common" is the complete list of packages that are going to be removed? |
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| 05:24.33 | KodeK | chealer, no. There are more, but those are the ones that have me preocupied. It took me a whole week to get postfix working. Heh. |
| 05:24.37 | chealer | KodeK: that's quite vague. $ uname -r |
| 05:24.56 | KodeK | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 05:25.29 | KodeK | so it's not even upgrading it, since I already have that installed :/ |
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| 05:25.56 | chealer | KodeK: what does $ apt-cache policy kernel-image-2.7.27-2-386; output? |
| 05:26.03 | ice_1963 | kodek remember fresh install :) |
| 05:26.16 | onetinsoldier | KodeL; damn... a whole week. i know the feeling. took me a whole day to get my sendmail + sasl2 and then a gui mua client all working good |
| 05:26.22 | onetinsoldier | oops |
| 05:26.29 | onetinsoldier | KodeK i mean |
| 05:26.36 | KodeK | onetinsoldier, I had problems with my smarthost. Stupid SBC Yahoo |
| 05:26.51 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: roger... hehe |
| 05:27.09 | KodeK | chealer, W: Unable to locate package kernel-image-2.7.27-2-386 |
| 05:27.10 | chealer | KodeK: sorry, I don't know about proftpd |
| 05:27.42 | chealer | KodeK: uh, s/2.7.27/2.4.27 |
| 05:27.51 | KodeK | Heh |
| 05:27.54 | KodeK | I didnt see that either :D |
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| 05:28.05 | KodeK | you could tell me to type rm -rf / and I probably wouldnt notice |
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| 05:28.18 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: see if you can do an apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 type of kernel |
| 05:28.34 | KodeK | chealer, check #flood |
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| 05:29.15 | KodeK | chealer, not a big update, I think. |
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| 05:29.19 | KodeK | I want 2.6! :( |
| 05:29.20 | KodeK | Heh |
| 05:29.31 | MaRX-Mode | asd |
| 05:29.35 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: see if you can do an apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 type of kernel |
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| 05:29.47 | KodeK | onetinsoldier, is that the latest 2.6 in sarge? |
| 05:29.59 | KodeK | err. I'm running in etch now :D |
| 05:30.01 | Azar | 2.6.8 |
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| 05:30.05 | onetinsoldier | oh! sorry.. i thought you wwere attempting the dist-upgrade |
| 05:30.12 | KodeK | Actually, let me download all the packages first. Give me a sec :D |
| 05:30.17 | onetinsoldier | well then.... |
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| 05:30.21 | ice_1963 | in sarge it's 2.6.8 |
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| 05:30.38 | chealer | KodeK: OK, I wondered why it was upgrading it, but it's normal after all. anyway, you should indeed install 2.6 |
| 05:30.39 | KodeK | Need to get 265MB of archives. This will take a while :D |
| 05:30.59 | KodeK | Why is 2.4 being distributed yet? Isn't 2.6 stable enough? |
| 05:31.03 | KodeK | *still |
| 05:31.20 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:31.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:31.26 | Azar | KodeK: it would be good if you have installed 2.6.8 before going to etch |
| 05:31.27 | chealer | KodeK: enough != as much as 2.4 |
| 05:31.28 | tarzeau | KodeK: uninstall it |
| 05:31.38 | chealer | Azar: why? |
| 05:31.41 | tarzeau | i'd love to be able to run 2.4 on sid |
| 05:31.44 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: just let it finish upgrading for now... then try what i said after it's done |
| 05:31.45 | KodeK | Azar, too late :( |
| 05:31.50 | tarzeau | KodeK: no 2.6 can't do all, 2.4 can |
| 05:31.53 | rosen37 | Please I have rebooted my Linux and it doesn t restart properly. I have a lot of errors and the boot finish on a None :#. The first error during the boot is mount :Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed :Invalid argument. Then the /etc/rcS.d/S02mountkernfs.sh : /lib/init/mount-functions.sh : Not a directory |
| 05:31.59 | Azar | chealer: just an opinion, KodeK disregard that what I said I am an idiot |
| 05:32.03 | rosen37 | I use the kernel 2.6.15 in testing |
| 05:32.08 | KodeK | Heheh |
| 05:32.46 | KodeK | Now, will doing a simple apt-get install <new kernel> assure me that my machine will boot after I reboot it? |
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| 05:32.52 | Azar | I guess you can run etch with a 2.4 kernel if that is the general opinion |
| 05:33.48 | onetinsoldier | i was told that running etch with a 2.4.x kernel isn't exactly optimal |
| 05:33.59 | KodeK | Cause it's a headless box, and I don't feel like hooking up a monitor to it. |
| 05:34.03 | Azar | onetinsoldier: I can see not everyone agrees on it |
| 05:34.18 | onetinsoldier | Azar: yeah... roger |
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| 05:35.42 | ice_1963 | tarzeau, what's better about 2.4 then 2.6? |
| 05:36.37 | tarzeau | ice_1963: some hardware support |
| 05:36.46 | KodeK | tarzeau, the irony :D |
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| 05:36.49 | onetinsoldier | ice_1963: i have a feeling that if i were running 2.4.x kernel that my gameport gamepad would firggin work! i cannot get it working under 2.6.x, even though it's 'supposedly' supported |
| 05:37.09 | tarzeau | ice_1963: size and sound support |
| 05:37.20 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 05:37.31 | tarzeau | onetinsoldier: haha we're doomed |
| 05:37.32 | ice_1963 | hmmm |
| 05:37.43 | onetinsoldier | tarzeau: rofl |
| 05:38.00 | ice_1963 | well i did not know that |
| 05:38.25 | rosen37 | PLease I need help tp boot on my linux :( |
| 05:39.03 | ice_1963 | in etch can i get the 2.4? to install |
| 05:39.38 | tarzeau | ice_1963: soon you can't |
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| 05:44.03 | Azar | ice_1963: what if you could have a dual boot, one with sarge /2.4 kernel and the other with etch on a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 05:44.38 | Mastroquet | I use etch with linux-image-2.6-486 automatically installed -- should I apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 (as this is my architecture) ? |
| 05:44.44 | ice_1963 | well yes you can have that |
| 05:45.11 | chealer | Mastroquet: why not |
| 05:45.22 | Azar | Mastroquet: how come "automatically installed" ? |
| 05:45.38 | Mastroquet | chealer : why not is an answer I like |
| 05:45.43 | Mastroquet | ;-) |
| 05:45.54 | Vasistha | Mastroquet: I don't use etch, but I would expect so. You also should be able to configure it to boot either one |
| 05:46.06 | Mastroquet | anyway i was asking because I'm very new to debian... |
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| 05:47.09 | Mastroquet | Azar : I mean the installer did that... |
| 05:47.19 | Azar | Mastroquet: you mean that the etch installation automatically (detected) and installed a 486 kernel? |
| 05:47.36 | Azar | Mastroquet: that means the installer got wrong on your architecture? |
| 05:47.38 | Mastroquet | Azar : yep |
| 05:47.43 | Azar | amazing |
| 05:48.04 | chealer | Azar: why would 486 be wrong? |
| 05:48.31 | Azar | chealer: why Mastroquet is then saying that his architecture is not a 486 ? |
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| 05:49.04 | chealer | Azar: I missed it if he said that |
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| 05:49.20 | Azar | chealer: that is ok, happens, he did said that |
| 05:49.48 | Mastroquet | Yes I did : I'm on 686 |
| 05:49.57 | rosen37 | someone has already configured raid1 with SATA? |
| 05:50.26 | Azar | Mastroquet: you can take a look and pick your new kernel before install : apt-cache search linux-image |
| 05:50.32 | onetinsoldier | what's a good graphical 'top' app? |
| 05:51.46 | esop | 486 isn't getting it wrong, it is getting it safe... for default install image that works on almost any ibm compat etc. |
| 05:51.56 | Mastroquet | Azar : thanks |
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| 05:52.01 | dobbyX | Assuming i have backdup a full system with dd over ssh. Then a day after the backdup system gows down. How do I restore it back? I mean if I can't boot it for expl. |
| 05:52.21 | chealer | onetinsoldier: which session manager do you use? |
| 05:53.06 | MaRX-Mode | Hey guys |
| 05:53.11 | MaRX-Mode | any idea why SSH login takes very long time |
| 05:53.12 | gce | dobbyX: boot from knoppix would be an easy method |
| 05:53.15 | onetinsoldier | chealer: right now i'm using gnome in 'e'. i have kde installed too and have used it before. both are very nice |
| 05:53.15 | MaRX-Mode | ? |
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| 05:53.44 | dobbyX | gce: thanks i know that option, but is this the only one? |
| 05:53.52 | MaRX-Mode | it connects quickly, but when it is supposed to ask password it takes too long time |
| 05:54.12 | dobbyX | how would that be done with amanda? when a host does not come up anymore? |
| 05:54.32 | ice_1963 | g is faster :) |
| 05:54.47 | onetinsoldier | g? |
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| 05:54.52 | chealer | onetinsoldier: OK, I don't know GNOME enough |
| 05:54.53 | Dwonis | dobbyX: That's what you *do* when a host doesn't come up anymore. You boot some other OS and restore using that |
| 05:54.54 | ice_1963 | gnome |
| 05:55.11 | dobbyX | :) ok. |
| 05:55.15 | Dwonis | dobbyX: some backup systems have their own bootable CD or somesuch, but it's basically the same thing |
| 05:55.32 | onetinsoldier | i'm using gnome right now... lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2006-05-20 21:29 /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/gnome-session |
| 05:55.43 | esop | MaRX-Mode: maybe you have some bad or incomplete routeing in your routing table. |
| 05:55.54 | MaRX-Mode | esop: how can I check it ? |
| 05:56.01 | dobbyX | Dwonis: Now i understand i always wondered how this would work. Do you know if dd can handle open files or pipes? |
| 05:56.10 | Dwonis | dobbyX: another option is to remove the hard drive, stick it in another computer, do the restore, and then put it back |
| 05:56.11 | esop | MaRX-Mode: netstat -r for starters... |
| 05:56.57 | Dwonis | dobbyX: "open files" aren't really an issue on Linux (other than the fact that they might be inconsistent, so don't back up your database this way), and pipes work fine |
| 05:57.11 | onetinsoldier | chealer: ok.. well, what do you use? there's procmeter3 but i was thinking of something a little different. a little less black and white |
| 05:57.21 | MaRX-Mode | 10.10.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 05:57.22 | MaRX-Mode | default burningspeedy 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 05:57.28 | MaRX-Mode | right or wrong? |
| 05:57.42 | MaRX-Mode | my fw is called burningspeedy and that ip space is right |
| 05:57.48 | chealer | onetinsoldier: ksysguard (KDE) |
| 05:58.00 | dobbyX | Dwonis: thank you for the information |
| 05:58.19 | onetinsoldier | chealer: roger.. cool. i will check that out next time i'm in kde then! :-) |
| 05:58.38 | unix_infidel | how do i get mplayer to do closed captions? |
| 05:58.39 | esop | MaRX-Mode: You are trying to ssh into speedy or a box on the 10.10.1.0 net? |
| 05:58.49 | debboy | hi. from this page: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt JoeyHess basically says that its safe to run apt from sudo, but not directly as root ? because of gpg --recv-keys. my question is - how would sudo protect you from whatever damage anyway? doesn't it just allow users to run certain programs as if they were root? |
| 05:58.55 | chealer | unix_infidel: ask #mplayer |
| 05:59.25 | MaRX-Mode | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:00.13 | esop | MaRX-Mode: the routes look ok. |
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| 06:00.43 | MaRX-Mode | esop: good, as I thought |
| 06:00.45 | Dwonis | debboy: (without reading the website), I think Joey is saying that you shouldn't run gpg --recv-keys as root, since it uses the network. It's not actually apt that does that |
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| 06:01.37 | MaRX-Mode | esop: any other ideas? |
| 06:01.51 | onetinsoldier | KodeK: how's it going? still downloading? |
| 06:01.52 | MaRX-Mode | or is it just common that the ssh login takes some time? |
| 06:02.39 | sep | MaRX-Mode, some time yes, if it take long time >30 sec it's either a loaded server or you have a dns problem |
| 06:02.56 | esop | MaRX-Mode: are you doing ssh host or ssh ip address? |
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| 06:03.54 | chealer | debboy: it wouldn't. Joey just misunderstood Steve's comment. Joey doesn't suggest to run gpg as root (or with sudo) |
| 06:04.17 | MaRX-Mode | well, ssh host, but the server is in my own place and it connects quickly, but before writing password |
| 06:04.22 | MaRX-Mode | it takes long time |
| 06:05.35 | Azar | hmm one of my PCs that uses Etch failes to boot: I only have the Woody CD, would that boot it? |
| 06:05.36 | debboy | chealer, Dwonis, from what i see, it sounds like apt executes 'gpg --recv-keys', so i dont see any choice - you'd have to run it as root one way or the other. |
| 06:06.42 | Dwonis | debboy: as far as I know, apt never runs gpg --recv-keys |
| 06:06.48 | rosen37 | please how to recreate the /boot? |
| 06:06.58 | Vasistha | Azar: AFAIK the woody cd only boots into an environment designed to install woody |
| 06:07.22 | Azar | Vasistha: I see, so I am doomed, ok I can reinstall then |
| 06:07.24 | debboy | ok well never mind. just a confusing comment. thanks |
| 06:07.29 | chealer | debboy: "apt" doesn't execute that...there's no apt user |
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| 06:07.40 | debboy | chealer, i'm talking about apt-get or similar |
| 06:07.51 | sep | rosen37, restore from backup |
| 06:08.02 | Dwonis | rosen37: if you don't have a backup, something like "apt-get install --reinstall $( dpkg -S /boot | cut -d: -f1 )" might help, though that's probably not all you have to do |
| 06:08.08 | Vasistha | Azar: well perhaps you can use some rescue cd to get in and fix stuff? woody installer just isn't a rescue disk |
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| 06:08.39 | chealer | debboy: if it would be ran by apt-get, Joey wouldn't suggest to run it from the shell |
| 06:08.40 | Dwonis | rosen37: erm, that's: apt-get install --reinstall $( dpkg -S /boot | cut -d: -f1 | sed -e 's/,//g' ) |
| 06:08.45 | cbchui | my proftpd is started but i couldnt connect to it . when i netstat -na the port 21 is open . anybody have any experience in this ? |
| 06:08.47 | Azar | Vasistha: I used to rescue with the Woody CD, but on woody, is just a lilo blimp |
| 06:09.15 | rosen37 | sep Dwonis : I have no backup I have access to my mahcine by a (none):/# and a few command are available, it seems my boot is borken no? |
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| 06:09.34 | Azar | yep it does not work, it's ok a reinstall does not scare me |
| 06:09.46 | tictac_ | blah. i just spent 30 mins trying to figure why php/mysql wasnt interacting on a newly installed sid machine. didnt know that i had to enable the mysql module in php5. perhaps php5-mysql can enable it in the future. :| guess thats what i get for 'upgrading' from php4 without rtfm. |
| 06:10.18 | chealer | hah, another woody 2.4 kernel DSA. truely amazing... |
| 06:10.19 | Dwonis | rosen37: if your system is mostly working, you can run "cd /path/to/wherever/your/root/partition/is/mounted ; chroot ." and then run "mount -a" |
| 06:10.27 | Dwonis | rosen37: or some variation of that |
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| 06:11.36 | rosen37 | Dwonis arf I m lost , it s seems my partition is not mounted. |
| 06:11.46 | rosen37 | Dwonisnot the good partition |
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| 06:12.45 | Dwonis | rosen37: please don't /msg me |
| 06:14.00 | cbchui | can anyone help me with my proftp ?? |
| 06:14.09 | rosen37 | in fact I have in my comp 2 old disk ( IDE ) and 2 new disk SATA in raid1. I installed the new system on the raid1 and all worked properly unitl I reboot the /dev/md0 disappear and now I have /hda.... |
| 06:14.29 | Azar | etch praised at forge: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/05/25/146242&from=rss |
| 06:14.32 | rosen37 | it seemes that the boot was mounted on the IDE disk and like my md0 are not available the boot failed |
| 06:14.39 | rosen37 | is it possible? |
| 06:16.08 | dobbyX | i have a question about exim4-configuration. i want to use nagios. Nagios needs to sends notificaitons if something go wrong. But my problem is that i haven't a domain name nor a smarthost I can send the email to. What option do i have? |
| 06:16.25 | Dwonis | rosen37: Is this software or hardware RAID? |
| 06:16.39 | rosen37 | software using mdadm |
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| 06:17.16 | Dwonis | rosen37: ahh... heh. You probably need /boot to be on a non-RAID partition, then |
| 06:17.27 | Dwonis | rosen37: I have a similar setup (2 drives in software RAID) |
| 06:17.38 | rosen37 | Dwonis yes this is I think but I don t know enough about raid , I read that on internet |
| 06:17.54 | chealer | Azar: people interested in NewsForge articles may read NewsForge. or find them through wiki.debian.org, or DWN...or anything other than IRC |
| 06:18.05 | sep | rosen37, /boot must be it's own partition, or a raid1 partition, it can not be a raod0,2,3,4,5,6,10,15 |
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| 06:18.33 | Dwonis | rosen37: hmm... yeah, sep is right. You *should* be able to get away with raid-1 |
| 06:18.38 | rosen37 | When I installed the debian on the 2 new disk my comp didn t start linux , I didn t understand why , and I put again the ide disk and reinstalled all , and the computer started. I think it installed the /boot on the ide disk |
| 06:18.41 | sep | i have all my raids with /boot on raid1 |
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| 06:19.25 | rosen37 | sep you have /boot on raid1? |
| 06:19.37 | Dwonis | rosen37: What bootloader are you using? (LILO or GRUB)? |
| 06:20.05 | sep | ack |
| 06:20.18 | rosen37 | Dwonis grub |
| 06:20.42 | Dwonis | rosen37: ok, do you have the "root=/dev/md0" kernel parameter set? |
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| 06:21.56 | rosen37 | so I have 2 disk in raid1 (/dev/md0 -> / ) and 2 old disk in ide. Yesterday my df -ak i saw /dev/md0 200GO I reboot ,and now I have a lot of error during boot , a prompt : (none):/# and the df show me all the old partition /dev/hda . I lost my md0 :s |
| 06:22.35 | Dwonis | rosen37: have you ever rebooted before since you set up your RAID? |
| 06:22.42 | Azar | chealer: point taken: never put a link about news on irc ever |
| 06:23.15 | rosen37 | Dwonis mmh Dont remember |
| 06:23.32 | rosen37 | Dwonis arf my root is to hda1 |
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| 06:23.45 | rosen37 | but I have no vi command available : |
| 06:23.55 | Dwonis | rosen37: did you try "nano"? |
| 06:24.02 | Dwonis | or ... hmm |
| 06:24.24 | Azar | in any case, noboby is interested to read about etch upon your comment |
| 06:24.25 | rosen37 | Dwonis oh great thx :) there is |
| 06:24.25 | chealer | Azar: more or less. never put a non-called for link about news on an IRC support channel if it has no place in /topic. |
| 06:24.39 | Azar | chealer, yes, etch is a non topic |
| 06:25.05 | Dwonis | Azar: some random people praising Debian is not really news, though |
| 06:25.09 | rosen37 | mmh I can t write (readonly file system |
| 06:25.13 | chealer | Azar: uh. the thing that has no place in /topic is the link to that article. |
| 06:25.26 | Dwonis | rosen37: "mount /proc ; mount / -o remount,rw" ? |
| 06:25.42 | Azar | chealer ok I will see to it not to happen again and your comments at others as well |
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| 06:25.56 | chealer | Azar: thanks |
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| 06:27.00 | rosen37 | Dwonis I dont understand , I rebooted several time without working and now it works :s |
| 06:27.31 | Dwonis | Azar: It all depends on context. If the New York Times ran a front-page article praising Debian, then it might be worth mentioning. OSTG writes stuff about GNU/Linux all the time. |
| 06:28.08 | cbchui | why i cant connect to my server via port 21 |
| 06:28.10 | Dwonis | rosen37: hard drive corruption? or perhaps a bootable CD still in the drive? |
| 06:28.20 | Dwonis | rosen37: that shouldn't happen, obviously |
| 06:28.21 | Azar | Dwonis: it is ok I got it |
| 06:28.24 | cbchui | proftp is running |
| 06:28.28 | cbchui | could anybody help me ? |
| 06:28.38 | cbchui | i have checked proftpd.conf too |
| 06:29.14 | rosen37 | Dwonis I dont understand : I m looking and I was on the ide disk |
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| 06:29.30 | rosen37 | Dwonis and now the comp started using the /boot of the raid1 |
| 06:29.51 | rosen37 | I reboot again |
| 06:30.05 | ice_1963 | Dwonis, what is OSTG don't know that one ... |
| 06:30.56 | rosen37 | Dwonis I rebooted and again failed , he booted on the /boot of the ide disk :s |
| 06:31.31 | Dwonis | ice_1963: OSTG a.k.a. OSDN a.k.a andover.net |
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| 06:31.59 | ice_1963 | Dwonis,ok |
| 06:32.06 | Dwonis | ice_1963: the parent company of Slashdot, ThinkGeek, SourceForge, and a bunch of other things |
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| 06:33.41 | Dwonis | rosen37: wait, are you saying that you have potentially two drives that can be booted from, and that the BIOS appears to be picking one at random? |
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| 06:34.07 | rosen37 | Dwonis yes lol |
| 06:35.01 | rosen37 | I did 5 reboot always in the bad |
| 06:35.06 | Dwonis | rosen37: ugh... I have no idea how to fix it then... You could try installing grub directly to your MBR instead of to a specific partition |
| 06:35.20 | Dwonis | rosen37: It's probably a race condition, which would make it not-entirely-random |
| 06:35.21 | eddiecheng | i need some help on proftp can someone help me ? |
| 06:35.42 | deadcat_ | eddiecheng: just ask the question |
| 06:35.48 | eddiecheng | the process is running but i cant seem to connect to it |
| 06:35.51 | eddiecheng | it used to work |
| 06:36.05 | deadcat_ | eddiecheng: telnet localhost 21 doesnt work? |
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| 06:36.23 | eddiecheng | cant |
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| 06:36.31 | MiB | Hi. |
| 06:36.34 | eddiecheng | Connected to quapenix.local. |
| 06:36.34 | eddiecheng | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 06:36.34 | eddiecheng | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 06:36.40 | Dwonis | hosts.allow |
| 06:36.53 | rosen37 | Dwonis if I disconnected the ide disk and it working on the raid |
| 06:36.59 | eddiecheng | where is the file located at ? |
| 06:37.02 | Nick-Welgure | What is the command to install windows xa? |
| 06:37.07 | deadcat_ | eddiecheng: /etc everything is /etc |
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| 06:37.12 | Dwonis | rosen37: Can you try setting your boot device in the BIOS? |
| 06:37.17 | Nick-Welgure | apt-get window-x-system? |
| 06:37.29 | deadcat_ | x-window-system |
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| 06:37.29 | Nick-Welgure | Aj |
| 06:37.29 | Nick-Welgure | *aj |
| 06:37.33 | Nick-Welgure | **Ah |
| 06:37.35 | Nick-Welgure | Thanks. |
| 06:37.39 | deadcat_ | !enter |
| 06:37.39 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 06:37.49 | rosen37 | yes I tried , I had to put the ide in first because if I put the raid i have a black screen at the boot and nothign other |
| 06:37.51 | Dwonis | !typosmite Nick-Welgure |
| 06:37.59 | Azar | :) that was fun |
| 06:38.07 | eddiecheng | so i add ALL ? |
| 06:38.13 | Nick-Welgure | ha ha ha. |
| 06:38.31 | deadcat_ | eddiecheng: you shouldnt have to. |
| 06:38.44 | rosen37 | Dwonis my prob seems resolved if I remove the ide disk. What is the better solution to install? put /boot on /dev/sda et the / on the raid? |
| 06:40.30 | chealer | Accepted dpkg 1.13.20 (source i386 all) |
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| 06:40.38 | Nick-Welgure | !enter |
| 06:40.39 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 06:40.39 | Dwonis | rosen37: ok, I'm confused. You have 2 IDE disks, and 2 SATA disks, right? Which disks are the RAID on? |
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| 06:40.50 | chealer | Closes: 35573 36586 54529 57104 58106 65839 81171 165843 169125 174180 198128 198522 208532 230610 237622 237626 281562 313605 315784 316551 318825 349120 349442 361171 361671 364726 366178 366185 366187 366351 366353 366587 366659 366985 367329 368874 368875 369177 369205 |
| 06:41.02 | chealer | huuumm, *that* dpkg is going to be tasty |
| 06:41.03 | rosen37 | the 2 sata |
| 06:41.22 | Azar | interesting |
| 06:41.25 | Dwonis | rosen37: ok, I suggest you not mess with your actual partition layout |
| 06:41.29 | Nick-Welgure | Are those lotto numbers? |
| 06:41.34 | Azar | :) |
| 06:41.45 | rosen37 | currently on the 2SATA I have /dev/md0 / 199Go in raid1 and /dev/md1 swap 700Mo in raid0 |
| 06:41.46 | Dwonis | Nick-Welgure: 1955 RAND tables |
| 06:41.56 | Nick-Welgure | I knew that. *cough* |
| 06:41.57 | deadcat_ | all glxgears does is spin the damn gears but no output to the terminal. what up? |
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| 06:42.14 | rosen37 | but Have I to separe the /boot? |
| 06:42.15 | chealer | Nick-Welgure: lotto bugs |
| 06:42.16 | Dwonis | Nick-Welgure: In case you're new here, they're *actually* Debian bug numbers |
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| 06:42.54 | Dwonis | rosen37: no, you shouldn't have to. Not in this case |
| 06:43.25 | Dwonis | rosen37: software RAID-1 has the interesting property of looking like two perfectly normal (but identical) drives to the BIOS |
| 06:43.44 | rosen37 | ok |
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| 06:44.28 | batmao | Hi. I can't play DVDs on my debian unstable box. No matter what program I use. I get this error: "libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.VOB (0x00000174)". Any ideas? I tried regionset, and install-css.sh. Neither work. |
| 06:44.30 | Dwonis | rosen37: the easiest thing to do is to set the boot device correctly in the BIOS setup. Have you tried that? |
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| 06:44.43 | eddiecheng | i have added my own 127.0.0.1 in hosts.allow but i still get connection refused |
| 06:44.58 | rosen37 | Dwonis yes but I confirme you that something strange is in the bios that i don t understand |
| 06:45.12 | Dwonis | batmao: you know that regionset only works a limited number of times, right? |
| 06:45.28 | Dwonis | rosen37: what does it say? |
| 06:45.51 | batmao | Dwonis: On my machine, regionset doesn't work at all. It fails to set the region. Thanks for making sure I knew that, though. |
| 06:46.25 | rosen37 | Dwonis If I remove the IDE disk my system is not working |
| 06:46.25 | rosen37 | :s |
| 06:46.40 | rosen37 | I have a black screen just before starting |
| 06:46.57 | esop | eddiecheng: when you installed proftp did it create an ftp group in /etc/group ?? do you need to add yourself to that ?? |
| 06:47.25 | rosen37 | Dwonis I use the raid software but Have I to configure it in the bios? |
| 06:48.03 | Dwonis | rosen37: there are ways to work around it, but the BIOS configuration is definitely the easiest |
| 06:48.25 | Dwonis | rosen37: to get the BIOS setup screen, try a *cold* reboot (power off, on), then try pressing F1 or F2 or F9 or F10, or F11 or F12 or DELETE (or all of them) a bunch of times before the POST process finishes |
| 06:48.27 | eddiecheng | esop : the problem is its refusing my connection |
| 06:48.32 | deadcat_ | eddiecheng: its your proftpd.conf file. not the hosts. files |
| 06:48.48 | Dwonis | rosen37: you can also try mashing the keyboard in order to try to get a "keyboard error", which will usually give you the option of entering the setup screens |
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| 06:49.28 | Dwonis | batmao: on a somewhat-related note, you could get firmware from http://rpc1.org/ to remove the region coding from your DVD drive |
| 06:49.54 | Dwonis | batmao: most of the installers need Windows, however, but you only have to do it once |
| 06:49.56 | rosen37 | Dwonis no I know that ( I m working in computer science) but the SIl 3114 chipset allow us to configure the raid1 in the BIOS . I had it . SO now in the bios I have 1 disk 200Go called SIl disk .. and an other ide cdrom |
| 06:50.13 | Dwonis | batmao: *however* you shouldn't *need* to do that, if you have a fast computer, since the cracking should still work |
| 06:50.14 | rosen37 | I boot on the SIl and I have a black screen before start and nothing change |
| 06:50.21 | eddiecheng | okay so the problems lies with my proftpd.conf ? |
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| 06:51.57 | Dwonis | rosen37: heh, ok, although "working in computer science" doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing ;) |
| 06:52.04 | eddiecheng | can i delete the proftpd.conf and reinstall it ? |
| 06:52.10 | Nick-Welgure | Would this work? |
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| 06:52.20 | Dwonis | rosen37: so you have hardware RAID? I thought you said it was mdadm-based |
| 06:52.20 | Nick-Welgure | apptitude install grome |
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| 06:52.48 | batmao | Dwonis: Thanks for the advice, I'll have a look there. |
| 06:52.56 | Azar | Nick-Welgure: if you try "gnome" it might |
| 06:53.12 | batmao | Dwonis: Just for reference, I was able to play back my dvd under windows. So I think it's set for the right region. |
| 06:53.19 | batmao | I'll report back if I find a fix. |
| 06:53.26 | Nick-Welgure | lol.. thanks |
| 06:54.11 | Nick-Welgure | What happens when you breed a window and a computer? |
| 06:54.22 | jetscreamer | your mother has babies? |
| 06:54.26 | Nick-Welgure | you get windows LOL! |
| 06:54.29 | Nick-Welgure | You know |
| 06:54.30 | Nick-Welgure | the OS |
| 06:54.36 | Nick-Welgure | www.microsoft.com |
| 06:54.40 | jetscreamer | what is that |
| 06:54.41 | servus | Can we K-Line Nick-Welgure for that one? |
| 06:54.53 | Nick-Welgure | ... you can't get k-lined for bad jokes :O |
| 06:54.55 | jetscreamer | !troll Nick-Welgure |
| 06:54.57 | Nick-Welgure | (although it was a good joke) |
| 06:55.02 | jetscreamer | we can wish |
| 06:55.09 | jetscreamer | (no it kinda sucked :) ) |
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| 06:55.18 | Nick-Welgure | :( |
| 06:55.24 | Dwonis | Nick-Welgure: never tell that joke again, please... ever |
| 06:55.29 | jetscreamer | !comfort Nick-Welgure |
| 06:55.29 | dpkg | There, there, Nick-Welgure. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:55.30 | ice_1963 | i know microsip :) |
| 06:55.37 | KodeK | What happens when you breed a bad joke with a person who's not good at telling jokes? |
| 06:55.39 | KodeK | You get Nick-Welgure |
| 06:55.43 | KodeK | (I'm joking :D) |
| 06:55.47 | Nick-Welgure | LOL! |
| 06:55.48 | jetscreamer | !pal KodeK |
| 06:55.53 | Nick-Welgure | I mean.. grr. thats an aweful joke. |
| 06:56.02 | jetscreamer | awful |
| 06:56.14 | rosen37 | dwar |
| 06:56.14 | jetscreamer | full of awe |
| 06:56.20 | rosen37 | Dwonis yes I use mdadm |
| 06:56.29 | esop | I got one I made up after X-Men III: What do tey wear at Xaviers school for the geneticaly gifted? |
| 06:56.35 | KodeK | CUI? Chatting under the influence? |
| 06:56.38 | esop | Mutant Genes :) |
| 06:56.49 | jetscreamer | !pal esop |
| 06:56.56 | Nick-Welgure | DDI |
| 06:57.06 | Nick-Welgure | !pal dpkg |
| 06:57.08 | Dwonis | !make it stop |
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| 06:57.35 | KodeK | !pal jetscreamer's face |
| 06:57.37 | KodeK | ^_^ :D |
| 06:57.44 | Nick-Welgure | lol! |
| 06:57.48 | Dwonis | wow... on #debian, no less! |
| 06:57.52 | Vasistha | !lol |
| 06:57.52 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:57.52 | Azar | nice, nice |
| 06:58.13 | Nick-Welgure | !pal his feet |
| 06:58.19 | Dwonis | Vasistha: heh. That's funny, lol |
| 06:58.20 | KodeK | Okay we get it. |
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| 06:58.27 | Dwonis | !dont abuse the bot |
| 06:58.29 | Dwonis | !don't abuse the bot |
| 06:58.36 | KodeK | Poor bot. |
| 06:58.38 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 06:58.38 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 06:58.41 | Nick-Welgure | !do abuse the bot |
| 06:58.42 | Vasistha | Dwonis: yeah, lol, it's like totally KEWL !!11!!!!11!! |
| 06:58.51 | jetscreamer | !do Nick-Welgure |
| 06:58.52 | Nick-Welgure | Lol. |
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| 06:58.59 | Nick-Welgure | Lol |
| 06:59.12 | Eulex | !botrape |
| 06:59.12 | dpkg | STOP!!! please... no more... |
| 06:59.12 | Nick-Welgure | !do jetscreamers face in |
| 06:59.18 | Dwonis | Vasistha: s/it's/its/; s/like/liek/ |
| 06:59.23 | KodeK | "*tells funny joke* LAWL LAWL LAWL" |
| 06:59.39 | jetscreamer | all work and no play makes #debian a dul chan |
| 06:59.45 | rosen37 | Dwonis I have remove the hardware raid |
| 06:59.48 | rosen37 | and always the same |
| 06:59.51 | Vasistha | Dwonis: dammit, I just don't write very convincing poor grammar |
| 06:59.52 | Azar | help, offtopic |
| 06:59.57 | Azar | :) |
| 07:00.15 | deadcat_ | everyday is like sunday. maybe #debian SHOULD move to another network. |
| 07:00.16 | Vasistha | Azar: yeah, but dpkg is not in offtopic |
| 07:00.20 | Dwonis | Azar: What you fail to understand is that being "on-topic" is not a rule that everyone has to follow. Just you. |
| 07:00.30 | Azar | Vasistha: I was not talking about dear dpkg |
| 07:00.30 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 07:00.44 | eddiecheng | thanks guys , i delete the proftpd.conf file and reinstalled and its working right now |
| 07:00.50 | eddiecheng | thanks for help |
| 07:00.57 | Azar | Dwonis: you said it right: is just me |
| 07:01.00 | Vasistha | Azar: yeah, but we want to play with dpkg! #off-topic would be a lot more fun with a bot like that ;-) |
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| 07:01.35 | eddiecheng | thanks espo and deadcat_ for help |
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| 07:02.05 | esop | eddiecheng: ahh success... nothing sweeter than success. |
| 07:02.06 | deadcat_ | eddiecheng: no problem. but i dont remember helping (= |
| 07:02.22 | eddiecheng | at least u tell me its problem with proftpd.conf |
| 07:02.26 | eddiecheng | i deleted it |
| 07:02.29 | eddiecheng | and reinstalled |
| 07:02.31 | deadcat_ | ah. |
| 07:03.12 | Dwonis | rosen37: ok, if for whatever reason you can't do that, you should still be able to (once you get your machine booted from a CD or whatever) "grub-install /dev/hda" or something |
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| 07:03.41 | Dwonis | rosen37: I don't think you actually have to move /boot |
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| 07:03.48 | rosen37 | Dwonis ok |
| 07:03.50 | Azar | so starting some day in June this channel will not be here anymore, right? |
| 07:03.51 | rosen37 | thx for your help |
| 07:03.56 | Dwonis | rosen37: no problem |
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| 07:04.01 | Vasistha | Azar: not true. it will still be here |
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| 07:04.23 | Azar | Vasistha: so is just one DNS moving over, right? |
| 07:04.53 | Vasistha | Azar: irc.debian.org will no longer point here, so many people who go to irc.debian.org will go elsewhere. But if you connect direct to freenode, then this will still be here... perhaps not as many people around |
| 07:04.55 | deadcat_ | all glxgears does is spin the damn gears but no output to the terminal. what up? |
| 07:05.01 | liable | irc.debian.org will be aliased to oftc |
| 07:05.31 | liable | deadcat_: doing that for a while now (since 7 i think) |
| 07:05.41 | Azar | thanks for the clarification, btw, irc.debian.org is long not working for me anyways |
| 07:05.51 | deadcat_ | liable: ya. |
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| 07:06.07 | deadcat_ | liable: i figured someone would notice and fix it by now (= |
| 07:06.13 | Vasistha | Azar: I've never tried it myself, I just connect to freenode. Although I'm thinking maybe I'll check out oftc |
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| 07:06.42 | Azar | Vasistha: I visited oftc some months ago, it was awfully quiet, filled with idling nicks |
| 07:07.08 | KodeK | Azar, ever been to a gaming network? The whole point of chatrooms is for people to idle them. Haha. |
| 07:07.16 | Vasistha | Azar: how long did you hang around? sometimes nobody says anything for 15 minutes in here, too |
| 07:07.46 | liable | deadcat_: heh, yeah, i was kinda hoping the same thing. forgot about it till you mentioned it. |
| 07:07.54 | Azar | Vasistha: for few hours, I thought it was just for people idling to keep the server "populated" |
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| 07:08.51 | Vasistha | Azar: there are a lot of idle people around... I think one thing that happens is people just leave their clients connected 24 hours, and log... but maybe they'll only come and chat once in a few days. Or maybe they're around, and they only pipe up if there's something they feel like helping with |
| 07:09.21 | K|NgGh0sT | is there any way to make ETH1 become ETH0 if there currently is not an ETH0? |
| 07:09.41 | sebo | Hi! What does it means 'authoritate-only' DNS name server ;> and which DNS server software would you reccomend me for DNS in smal LAN |
| 07:09.56 | cat | damn right Vasistha |
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| 07:10.08 | cat | anyone knows a good website for wallpapers? |
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| 07:10.22 | Azar | cat, I do but won't give links here |
| 07:10.27 | K|NgGh0sT | kde-look.org |
| 07:10.29 | Vasistha | cat: depends what you want. kdelook has some... |
| 07:10.30 | Azar | is off topic |
| 07:10.30 | cat | msg me then |
| 07:10.40 | Azar | cat ok holdon |
| 07:10.58 | deadcat_ | cat: pixelgirls.net or .com has some nice ones.. |
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| 07:11.28 | deadcat_ | cat: oops. wrong site. i dont remember the name then |
| 07:12.01 | deadcat_ | cat: http://www.pixelgirlpresents.com/ <-- (= |
| 07:12.04 | K|NgGh0sT | Now that my system is stable, time to make it purdy |
| 07:12.16 | deadcat_ | K|NgGh0sT: after that. you MUST show screenshot (= |
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| 07:12.31 | K|NgGh0sT | deadcat_, I wanna sorta copy this guys |
| 07:12.39 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: what do you mean, make eth1 become eth0 ? I don't really know how the devices work, but you might just be able to specify it that way in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 07:12.42 | deadcat_ | please show |
| 07:12.46 | K|NgGh0sT | http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/31253-1.jpg |
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| 07:13.04 | K|NgGh0sT | Vasistha, I want ETH1 to become known as ETH0 |
| 07:13.08 | deadcat_ | K|NgGh0sT: thats nice |
| 07:13.27 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: I kinda doubt you can do that while connected, you would probably need to disconnect |
| 07:13.28 | locus | hello, does anyone know if the nfs-kernel-server package works with a vanilla (2.6.15xx) kernel? |
| 07:13.29 | K|NgGh0sT | Screwing with Karamba now |
| 07:13.46 | karma | I'm running etch and I have 2 packages that I want to downgrade to sarge, how do I do that? |
| 07:13.46 | K|NgGh0sT | Vasistha, thats not an issue |
| 07:13.48 | deadcat_ | K|NgGh0sT: thats system mon thing is karamba? |
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| 07:14.01 | deadcat_ | karma: dpkg -i pkg.deb |
| 07:14.06 | K|NgGh0sT | its a theme for superkaramba yea |
| 07:14.23 | deadcat_ | K|NgGh0sT: ah. |
| 07:14.39 | karma | I deleted the etch verison from my package cache but I cant uninstall them because a bunch of other packages depend on them |
| 07:14.55 | deadcat_ | karma: then you stuck |
| 07:15.21 | golly | When I'm on WinXP using Photoshop, and then I try to "Save as" a new file onto my Linux server, why does OCCASSIONALLY it save a 0kb file and tell me I can't open it coz it's was left open by another application? |
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| 07:15.43 | karma | deadcat_: if I install them using dpkg with the etch versions already installed, will it switch the etch version with the sarge version without messing up dependencies? |
| 07:15.49 | deadcat_ | golly: via what? |
| 07:16.02 | golly | deadcat samba |
| 07:16.12 | basse | hi, I have a slight "getting stuck" problem with my debian recently. whenever I start downloading something, after a little while it gets totally stuck, transfer rate drops to 0. at the same time, whole networking is jammed. |
| 07:16.19 | michael117 | After installing phpmyadmin through aptitude, what is the default username and password to log into it? |
| 07:16.26 | deadcat_ | golly: using windows+linux, shit happens (= |
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| 07:16.42 | golly | deadcat_: yeah? :/ |
| 07:16.52 | basse | i am using debian testing, and I wondered if anything has changed recently.. dhcp or.. networking scripts.. ? |
| 07:16.56 | deadcat_ | karma: not sure. i am all unstable here. |
| 07:17.00 | sep | basse, and we get to guess on what download protocol you use? |
| 07:17.04 | sep | lucky us |
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| 07:17.08 | golly | deadcat_: of course.....that's why it's only occasional |
| 07:17.10 | cat | fbsd has some good wallpapers |
| 07:17.11 | deadcat_ | basse: probably |
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| 07:17.31 | MrGallihur | I've been waiting ages for gnome to install :\ |
| 07:17.38 | basse | sep: well as i said, it's whole networking that goes down. can be email fetching, can be wget, bittorrent. |
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| 07:17.45 | K|NgGh0sT | why am I doing this |
| 07:17.52 | K|NgGh0sT | I shouldnt be making it purdy |
| 07:18.01 | K|NgGh0sT | I have a laptop to try and get working in linux |
| 07:18.04 | deadcat_ | cat: i am telling you brother.. pixelgirlpresents.com has some groovy stuff. |
| 07:18.41 | deadcat_ | K|NgGh0sT: if you aint making it pretty, you shouldnt be using linux (= |
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| 07:19.57 | cat | yaeh im watching, the webpage, |
| 07:20.03 | MrGallihur | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.04 | K|NgGh0sT | deadcat_, that makes no sense when refering to my last sentence ;) |
| 07:20.12 | deadcat_ | (= |
| 07:20.14 | cat | damn i'm going to started dowonload some good episodes of the family guy |
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| 07:20.15 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: I devote a lot of time towards making for a comfortable primary working environment, so I definitely understand the urge to do so! Sometimes it takes priority over "more important" things |
| 07:20.23 | cat | !lart MrGallihur |
| 07:20.29 | threat | so there is cat and deadcat_, hmmm |
| 07:20.32 | deadcat_ | cat: get them all |
| 07:20.39 | basse | what would be a good way to investigate where the problem is? (already checked hardware and isp) |
| 07:20.43 | cat | deadcat_: from where? |
| 07:20.44 | K|NgGh0sT | Vasistha, after I get this laptop and all the Fn keys working I shall make it pretyt |
| 07:20.47 | deadcat_ | threat: there are tons of *cat here. |
| 07:21.03 | deadcat_ | cat: mininova and stuff. |
| 07:21.19 | cat | oh okey, |
| 07:21.23 | threat | deadcat_, is that a geek thing? |
| 07:21.27 | basse | also no errors on RX/TX packets. it just stalls.. |
| 07:21.31 | cat | im updating my system, so i need to wait, until it's done |
| 07:21.32 | deadcat_ | threat: nope. |
| 07:21.39 | threat | ok |
| 07:21.50 | deadcat_ | threat: why. you want to be threatcat? |
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| 07:21.55 | karma | I'm running etch and I have 2 packages that I want to downgrade to sarge... anyone know how to force having the sarge version without uninstalling the packages? |
| 07:22.05 | threat | deadcat_, it does have a certain ring to it |
| 07:22.11 | Vasistha | night! |
| 07:22.11 | sebo | Anyone uses debian as DNS server ?? Which package do u recommend me: rbldnsd, dnsmasq, ldapdns, maradns, mydns-pgsql or pdns ?? |
| 07:22.13 | threatcat | woot |
| 07:22.35 | K|NgGh0sT | karma, the real question is, why are you downgrading? |
| 07:22.38 | Azar | karma it is said you cannot downgrade, do not know about singular packages though |
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| 07:22.55 | cat | !woot |
| 07:22.55 | dpkg | woot is probably an expression of joy. Also spelled w00t. |
| 07:23.02 | threatcat | !cat |
| 07:23.02 | cat | oh ic, |
| 07:23.02 | dpkg | i guess cat is a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. see also <more> <less> <dog> |
| 07:23.08 | karma | I need them to make dosbox work |
| 07:23.14 | K|NgGh0sT | !lame |
| 07:23.14 | dpkg | from memory, lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 07:23.15 | deadcat_ | i never get "woot" and i hated the word. |
| 07:23.26 | cat | okey stop flirting with the bot, |
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| 07:23.30 | threatcat | !dog |
| 07:23.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dog is at http://www.nl.linux.org/~wsl/dog.html (Buffering replacement for cat) or a mammal which is sometimes called mans best friend, or a footstool, or god spelled backwards, or cats from www, or http://mfrost.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/gracem.jpg |
| 07:23.38 | Dwonis | karma: the easiest way is to use aptitude and select a specific package, then hold it, but you should answer K|NgGh0sT's question |
| 07:23.39 | Azar | karma, I quit etch for same reason: dosbox is not yet in etch |
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| 07:23.51 | Thomaz-work | !lart ChanServ |
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| 07:24.03 | Dwonis | dosbox isn't in etch? weird |
| 07:24.07 | K|NgGh0sT | !kick cat |
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| 07:24.15 | Dwonis | apparently it's in sid and sarge... wtf? |
| 07:24.16 | Azar | Dwonis: used to, they removed it |
| 07:24.18 | cat | !fuck K|NgGh0sT |
| 07:24.21 | Thomaz-work | !lart cat |
| 07:24.21 | threatcat | deadcat_, I like woot |
| 07:24.21 | karma | Azar: but the stable dosbox, libsdl1.debian, and libsdl1.2debian-alsa make dosbox work |
| 07:24.22 | threatcat | woot! |
| 07:24.30 | cat | !lart $user |
| 07:24.31 | K|NgGh0sT | cat loses |
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| 07:24.39 | karma | Dwonis: I know I need sarge versions of these two packages |
| 07:24.41 | Thomaz-work | dpkg assumes that cat is a him. |
| 07:24.41 | dpkg | okay, Thomaz-work |
| 07:24.46 | liable | !bot abuse |
| 07:24.46 | dpkg | Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested. |
| 07:24.48 | Thomaz-work | "* dpkg duct-tapes cat to the floor and drools on him" |
| 07:24.54 | karma | I got them installed on another etch install and I know it works |
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| 07:24.56 | esop | w00t use to be an expression of wOOt and he used t ofrequent this channel often. |
| 07:25.06 | liable | dpkg: forget assumes |
| 07:25.06 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'assumes' to forget, liable |
| 07:25.07 | esop | !seen wOOt? |
| 07:25.08 | dpkg | woot <n=wOOt@80.28.113.18> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 164d 20h 16m 30s ago, saying: 'ah lol'. |
| 07:25.12 | Thomaz-work | !bot abuse |
| 07:25.12 | Azar | karma: I just tried to install it few weeks ago, in etch: it is not anymore in etch. I went back to sarge |
| 07:25.16 | karma | I just forgot and I need to know how to put 2 sarge packages on etch that I have the etch version for |
| 07:25.28 | Dwonis | karma: use aptitude, then |
| 07:25.47 | karma | Azar: but the sarge versions of the packages installed on etch make it work |
| 07:25.52 | Dwonis | karma: there's also /etc/apt/preferences, but that's more complicated and more likely to break things if you don't know what you're doing |
| 07:26.05 | Thomaz-work | !seen MiB? |
| 07:26.06 | dpkg | mib <n=thomaspo@220-245-65-38.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 49m 34s ago, saying: 'Hi.'. |
| 07:26.06 | threatcat | !threat |
| 07:26.22 | basse | if anyone has anny idea highly appreciated. i've been trying to fix this for a week now. |
| 07:26.29 | karma | Downis: So I have a later packages (the etch one) called foo 1.1 installed and I'd like foo 1.0 from sarge |
| 07:26.37 | liable | basse: tried a different kernel? |
| 07:26.46 | karma | Dwonis: But you suggested holding it with aptitdue? |
| 07:26.56 | K|NgGh0sT | Time to corrupt an NTFS partition |
| 07:27.01 | esop | basse: it worked and thn this or it hasn't worked? |
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| 07:27.04 | karma | That doesn't make sense to me... wouldn't I be holding foo at 1.1? |
| 07:27.07 | batmao | Hey. |
| 07:27.37 | batmao | Just reporting back to tell you guys how I fixed my libdvdread's inability to crack the css key for dvd playback. |
| 07:27.53 | Azar | karma: I would not know how to bring a package from a lower Debian version on etch, that why I went back to sarge. |
| 07:27.56 | liable | batmao: how? |
| 07:28.08 | tarzeau | i so hate outdated software in sid! |
| 07:28.12 | tarzeau | lshw, dosbox, links... |
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| 07:28.16 | qweo | morning |
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| 07:28.24 | tarzeau | why the fuck can not maintainers keep their packages up to date? |
| 07:28.38 | Azar | :) tarzeau, I just wanted my old dos games |
| 07:28.40 | basse | liable: yes, i am running two computers, slightly different krenels. |
| 07:28.47 | batmao | in /etc/lilo.conf, I had the boot parameter `hdb=ide-scsi`. At one point, I remember this being necessary. However, on my 2.6.16.1 kernel, this parameter was preventing libdvdread from cracking the css key. |
| 07:28.55 | liable | basse: happens on both? |
| 07:28.59 | batmao | A full writeup can be found here: http://readthefuckingmanual.net/error/295/ |
| 07:29.02 | basse | espo: yes it worked.. only thing I've done during, is upgraded something.. that always upgrades something else too.. |
| 07:29.07 | cat | damn this upgrade it's taking for ever |
| 07:29.21 | Agrajag- | gday, im trying to figure out how to make my mail server not say that mail is coming from username@localhost.domain - i have foo.com in my /etc/hosts as 127.0.0.1 - how am i supposed to setup exim the debian way so it'll be username@foo.com ? |
| 07:29.28 | Dwonis | karma: install 1.0 first, using aptitude, *then* hold it |
| 07:30.25 | karma | Dwonis: But what if I already have foo 1.1 installed? |
| 07:30.30 | Agrajag- | i also have foo.com as dc_other_hostnames in my /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 07:30.40 | Dwonis | karma: so? |
| 07:30.43 | karma | A lot of other packages depend on foo 1.1, too, so I can't uninstall it... |
| 07:30.55 | karma | So can I make it go to foo 1.0? |
| 07:31.01 | tarzeau | Azar: and me? i don't want much either |
| 07:31.22 | tarzeau | Azar: but how debian does not work sucks |
| 07:31.43 | K|NgGh0sT | How much space to give linux.... hrmm |
| 07:31.47 | K|NgGh0sT | 25 gigs should be nice |
| 07:31.49 | Dwonis | karma: well, you could try downgrading those packages too, if there aren't that many of them |
| 07:31.54 | Azar | tarzeau: you allways go where no man dared before |
| 07:32.09 | Dwonis | K|NgGh0sT: only that much? but where will you put your Debian mirror? |
| 07:32.12 | karma | Dwonis: There's not many at all, just 2. How do I downgrade them? |
| 07:32.23 | Dwonis | karma: using aptitude. |
| 07:32.29 | K|NgGh0sT | Dwonis, fileserver ;) |
| 07:32.33 | Dwonis | karma: aptitude lets you explicitly select versions to install |
| 07:32.36 | tarzeau | Azar: i find it funny how some debian people interact (or don' |
| 07:32.41 | tarzeau | t at all) with upstream |
| 07:32.44 | karma | Dwonis: Oh, really? |
| 07:32.51 | tarzeau | Azar: generating weird and massive diff.gz |
| 07:32.54 | Dwonis | karma: just hit "enter" on the package of interest, and scroll to the bottom |
| 07:35.18 | karma | Dwonis: Thanks! |
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| 07:36.04 | RvGaTe | morning... |
| 07:36.04 | basse | liable: i seem to get couple of messages that are new.. about /etc/network/options being depreciated, and sit0: hardware address types.(776) |
| 07:36.34 | liable | basse: nothing to do with it. (you can remove options file) |
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| 07:39.29 | Azar | To make a package "downgradable", to satisfy the pin, it needs possess a priority greater than 1000. |
| 07:40.26 | Azar | tarzeau, are you talking about "moving up" with the distributions? |
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| 07:41.10 | tarzeau | Azar: no i am cursing how hard it can be to keep software up to date in debian |
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| 07:41.25 | liable | tarzeau: file bugs? |
| 07:42.11 | tarzeau | liable: i did 60 days ago |
| 07:42.11 | liable | oh :( |
| 07:42.11 | tarzeau | liable: another on, unanswered mail for several months (if not over half a year) |
| 07:42.11 | crazy_penguin | good morning everybody! :) |
| 07:42.11 | tarzeau | the other one also already a month ago |
| 07:42.11 | Azar | tarzeau: we know debian is moving slow, I guess they have priorities |
| 07:42.11 | tarzeau | liable: and then? |
| 07:42.17 | tarzeau | Azar: it's not debian. it's some www.debian.org/devel/people |
| 07:42.17 | liable | tarzeau: package it? |
| 07:42.28 | tarzeau | Azar: and the policy how things don't "work" |
| 07:42.32 | tarzeau | liable: and then? |
| 07:42.41 | tarzeau | liable: there's rules that you can't hijack packages |
| 07:42.47 | tarzeau | liable: actually i already did :) |
| 07:42.59 | tarzeau | liable: but it sucks to manage so many repositories |
| 07:43.10 | Azar | tarzeau: it took over one year to accept my contributions too, I got used to this |
| 07:43.29 | Azar | avoid stress: do not fight the system |
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| 07:44.21 | liable | tarzeau: dunno, bit rude if they dont respond to emails, dunno what you can do, i am sure you know more about the way it works than i. |
| 07:44.40 | esop | basse: I googled for sit0: hardware address types.(776) and hit upon a slew of stuff that sounds a lot like what you are up against. |
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| 07:46.17 | Azar | hmm I wonder how the freeze will look after July |
| 07:46.44 | Thomaz-work | I did Ctrl+C during an apt-get... then it didn't work and told me to do some configure -a thing... now when I try and install stuff it doesn't ask my questions like it use to |
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| 07:46.55 | Thomaz-work | Is it time to format? |
| 07:46.56 | Azar | karma, are you still around? |
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| 07:47.06 | tarzeau | liable: the problem is, it doesn't work. you need to wait too long.... |
| 07:47.12 | liable | Thomaz-work: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 07:48.03 | liable | i have the worst hangover i have had in years. |
| 07:48.06 | Thomaz-work | liable, genious. |
| 07:48.15 | RvGaTe | !seen ic3man05 |
| 07:48.15 | dpkg | ic3man05 <n=ic3man05@c-68-84-166-87.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4h 19m 35s ago, saying: 'ok'. |
| 07:48.22 | chealer | tarzeau: there's nothing better than a patch to speed up a bug's treatment |
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| 07:49.33 | tarzeau | chealer: for new upstream versions? |
| 07:49.37 | tarzeau | chealer: what kind of patch? |
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| 07:50.24 | Thomaz-work | !seen getcode |
| 07:50.24 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'getcode', Thomaz-work |
| 07:50.34 | chealer | tarzeau: I don't know, a patch on .diff.gz, maybe |
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| 07:50.56 | Supaplex | !seen /proc/self |
| 07:50.56 | dpkg | Supaplex: i haven't seen '/proc/self' |
| 07:51.06 | tarzeau | chealer: you can't patch a new version of software not in debian |
| 07:51.21 | tarzeau | chealer: and patches are filed many against some of these packages... |
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| 07:51.34 | tarzeau | chealer: oh i will keep bitching around about this shit endlessly until someone fixes them |
| 07:51.37 | tarzeau | even if it's me |
| 07:52.19 | Thomaz-work | liable, I put in that command, but it still fails to ask questions? |
| 07:52.33 | superlinux | Opinion To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it, writes SecurityFocus columnist Scott Granneman. |
| 07:52.46 | Supaplex | tarzeau: caveat emptor hehe :) |
| 07:52.55 | chealer | tarzeau: I'm not sure why "you can't patch a new version of software not in debian" |
| 07:53.01 | Azar | the /etc/apt/preferences file is gone on Sarge? |
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| 07:53.23 | Azar | I only see apt.conf |
| 07:53.30 | Thomaz-work | Is there a way to restore everything back to its oringal state/ |
| 07:53.43 | Thomaz-work | Or is refomatting needed? |
| 07:54.05 | tarzeau | chealer: new software can contain binaries |
| 07:54.10 | tarzeau | chealer: and diff.gz are text only |
| 07:54.13 | tarzeau | chealer: as simply |
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| 07:55.00 | chealer | tarzeau: binaries...I don't see why |
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| 07:55.19 | K|NgGh0sT | partition magic fscking loses at life |
| 07:55.36 | Azar | :) |
| 07:55.37 | tarzeau | chealer: man imagine an upstream package creates an icon for their software |
| 07:55.42 | Supaplex | !lart partition magic |
| 07:55.44 | tarzeau | chealer: not all pictures are text files you know? |
| 07:56.02 | tarzeau | chealer: there is a way to encode all binarires as text file and patch it, but this is ugly. no dd on earth will upload this |
| 07:56.07 | tarzeau | chealer: if he does, he needs be shot |
| 07:56.17 | K|NgGh0sT | and I lose at eating |
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| 07:56.31 | chealer | tarzeau: I guess I don't understand. you want to patch a picture? |
| 07:56.44 | Supaplex | hexdump both, diff, and reassemble. (there's a pun here somewhere) |
| 07:56.57 | tarzeau | chealer: i want in debian sid software that is as actual as the software upstream writes |
| 07:56.58 | K|NgGh0sT | so, now how to partition this |
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| 07:57.05 | tarzeau | chealer: debian has version 1, the developer has version 2 |
| 07:57.14 | tarzeau | chealer: version 1 is buggy and sucks. version 2 is good |
| 07:57.20 | tarzeau | chealer: easy? |
| 07:58.31 | K|NgGh0sT | Argh windows gives me such a headache |
| 07:58.50 | Supaplex | !parted |
| 07:58.50 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables. |
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| 07:59.20 | K|NgGh0sT | Supaplex, problem is I dont have a live cd, nor do I have linux installed on this laptop yet |
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| 08:00.02 | Supaplex | I trust you have some way to remedy it (in time...). |
| 08:00.10 | chealer | tarzeau: yes. why don't you start with your packages? |
| 08:00.19 | K|NgGh0sT | parted also doesnt support NTFS |
| 08:00.23 | K|NgGh0sT | resize that is |
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| 08:00.55 | esop | NTSF barely supports NTFS. |
| 08:01.04 | Supaplex | yes, ntfs is a weak link. *shrug* |
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| 08:01.05 | tarzeau | chealer: i did. and then? |
| 08:01.09 | K|NgGh0sT | esop, good point :) |
| 08:01.20 | Azar | hehe I just found out how to get older versions of packages |
| 08:01.33 | K|NgGh0sT | Now, what the hell can I do, hrmm |
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| 08:01.40 | tarzeau | Azar: OMG i'm trying all to update software and you take old crap! HILARIOUS |
| 08:01.55 | Carlit | does anybody here use Windows Media Player with WINE? |
| 08:01.58 | chealer | tarzeau: is gworkspace up-to-date? |
| 08:02.02 | Azar | tarzeau: just out of curiosity, not that I really need to, good to know info |
| 08:02.26 | tarzeau | chealer: yes. the newest version needs a newer gnustep version |
| 08:02.30 | K|NgGh0sT | Oh ya |
| 08:02.38 | K|NgGh0sT | If anyone is allergic to peanuts, you can goto hell |
| 08:02.38 | tarzeau | chealer: but that's an issue too... |
| 08:02.42 | K|NgGh0sT | this tastes so good |
| 08:02.54 | Carlit | is possible to use Windows Media player in WINE? |
| 08:03.17 | Azar | Carlit: in here is only about Debian and its packages |
| 08:03.17 | chealer | tarzeau: so GNUstep isn't up-to-date neither? |
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| 08:03.21 | tarzeau | chealer: no |
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| 08:03.29 | Carlit | oh, where do I go then? |
| 08:03.31 | tarzeau | chealer: am i the maintainer of the gnustep base? |
| 08:03.33 | S9eCtRuM-ZinH0 | [`Nz0`]: ;) |
| 08:03.41 | `Nz0` | S9eCtRuM-ZinH0 :) |
| 08:03.42 | tarzeau | chealer: hubert has the packages ready though |
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| 08:04.06 | tarzeau | chealer: but we really need the current cvs/svn version, or wait for the due since a few days tarball release |
| 08:04.09 | Azar | Carlit: maybe chealer can tell you, I do not know this server much |
| 08:04.09 | esop | Carlit: have you given it a good google? |
| 08:04.11 | K|NgGh0sT | tarzeau, you're not? |
| 08:04.19 | tarzeau | K|NgGh0sT: i'm not what? |
| 08:04.37 | Carlit | I have given it a google |
| 08:04.37 | K|NgGh0sT | tarzeau, maintainter of the gnusetup base :D |
| 08:04.45 | tarzeau | K|NgGh0sT: no i'm not |
| 08:04.52 | K|NgGh0sT | Oh well |
| 08:04.54 | K|NgGh0sT | That sucks for you |
| 08:05.01 | tarzeau | K|NgGh0sT: why? |
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| 08:05.15 | S9eCtRuM | [`Nz0`]: Not Inglesh |
| 08:05.16 | S9eCtRuM | hEHEH |
| 08:05.20 | tarzeau | K|NgGh0sT: if i'd do it, it'd install into /Network, /System etc... |
| 08:05.26 | `Nz0` | S9eCtRuM +- |
| 08:05.30 | tarzeau | K|NgGh0sT: i'm an FHS hater |
| 08:05.34 | chealer | tarzeau: why don't you join the team then? |
| 08:05.38 | `Nz0` | S9eCtRuM too ? |
| 08:05.42 | tarzeau | chealer: i'm in the team |
| 08:05.44 | S9eCtRuM | [`Nz0`]: Aki só tem americano ^? |
| 08:05.47 | S9eCtRuM | [`Nz0`]: Yes. |
| 08:05.48 | S9eCtRuM | :( |
| 08:05.55 | tarzeau | chealer: i told you the packages are ready. why don't you get DD and sponsor some? |
| 08:05.55 | `Nz0` | S9eCtRuM nao :) |
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| 08:06.10 | S9eCtRuM | [`Nz0`]: ;) |
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| 08:06.37 | `Nz0` | x) |
| 08:06.48 | chealer | tarzeau: if the wishlist bugs against other packages has patches, they'd be "ready" too |
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| 08:07.00 | chealer | s/has/had |
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| 08:07.51 | Azar | tarzeau: you are rushing a system that looks to be slow, do not get mad, if that is the way it is |
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| 08:09.23 | hereed | hello, how to get apt-setup in etch? |
| 08:09.36 | hereed | i dont see it |
| 08:09.53 | tarzeau | Azar: the thing is the newer software fixes my problems |
| 08:10.32 | Azar | tarzeau: I understand your frustration, I guess it will be only you who can fix your own bugs there... the rest will have to wait |
| 08:10.54 | tarzeau | Azar: this is so antisocial and egoist if i only fix my bugs |
| 08:11.27 | Azar | tarzeau: indeed it is. I have had my own bitter experiences as a tester before, never again. |
| 08:11.29 | liable | hereed: its been dropped apart from during install |
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| 08:11.47 | omkar86 | hi |
| 08:12.03 | omkar86 | Is nickname fixed for all servers |
| 08:12.04 | omkar86 | ? |
| 08:12.06 | hereed | liable:ok |
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| 08:12.50 | Azar | tarzeau: I hope, from my heart and for the good of debian community that some people are not elbowing their way up (as in the corporate world) by suppressing good contributors and their contributions away |
| 08:12.57 | omkar86 | when i log on to any irc server my selected nickname is global or I should change it for every server! |
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| 08:13.59 | tarzeau | Azar: tomorrow comes ubuntu 606 |
| 08:14.15 | liable | wtf is 606? |
| 08:14.22 | tarzeau | Azar: my eyes. if only it wasn't that brown like shit |
| 08:14.26 | tarzeau | liable: 6.06 |
| 08:14.29 | omkar86 | which is better Debian or Ubuntu???? |
| 08:14.31 | Azar | tarzeau: yes I know, the only reason I stay with Debian is that it offers me the little I need. |
| 08:14.38 | chealer | !tell omkar86 about ep |
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| 08:15.03 | Azar | ..and ofcourse I love to get my daily share of bashing here in the irc |
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| 08:16.02 | Azar | omkar86: is just a matter of taste |
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| 08:16.24 | chealer | Azar: hardly |
| 08:16.37 | omkar86 | ok |
| 08:16.44 | Azar | chealer: with time, I tend to think Guerin used to be an ok guy |
| 08:17.20 | chealer | Azar: I think you made me realize that too |
| 08:17.22 | chealer | ^_^ |
| 08:17.30 | Azar | at least he did not had an agenda against a particular person |
| 08:17.40 | chealer | hehe |
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| 08:20.22 | chealer | tarzeau: any more trolling to prove Azar I can also bash everyone? :-P |
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| 08:21.01 | creichen | Hi! Is there some reasonably painless way to downgrade from Xorg to the earlier X11 server? |
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| 08:22.07 | liable | creichen: why would you want to do that? |
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| 08:22.28 | Lopa | when I start kwifi in my debian it tells me that the wireless tools aren't installed, and then it starts kwifi |
| 08:22.31 | RvGaTe | !seen ic3man05 |
| 08:22.32 | dpkg | ic3man05 <n=ic3man05@c-68-84-166-87.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4h 53m 51s ago, saying: 'ok'. |
| 08:22.33 | creichen | liable: Because the earlier X11 server worked better for me, mostly... |
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| 08:22.38 | Lopa | but I can't search for any network |
| 08:22.43 | Lopa | what wireless tools is it talking about |
| 08:22.45 | chealer | RvGaTe: hum...what are you doing? |
| 08:22.56 | RvGaTe | checking where that guy is |
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| 08:23.18 | chealer | RvGaTe: anyway, could you do that in private please |
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| 08:23.27 | RvGaTe | sure |
| 08:23.41 | Azar | RvGaTe: using /msg nickserv info <nick> is better |
| 08:23.49 | chealer | Lopa: what's kwifi |
| 08:24.07 | RvGaTe | he's not registered |
| 08:24.30 | esop | kwifi sounds like a kde wifi thingy. |
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| 08:24.52 | e_ | tarzeau, are you the one maintaining linuks.mine.nu? if so, on this page: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement, under 1.17, this link: http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/debian/testing/2003/07/msg00039.html leads to a 404 page. maybe you might want to it. |
| 08:25.14 | chealer | e_: that's a wiki |
| 08:26.04 | e_ | chealer, yeah i know it is a wiki but i don't know who else to contact. |
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| 08:26.47 | Lopa | Should I do: apt-get install wireless-tools ? |
| 08:27.00 | tarzeau | e_: i can create an account for you to fix it |
| 08:27.19 | Lopa | Anyone? |
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| 08:27.24 | K|NgGh0sT | I win! |
| 08:27.39 | K|NgGh0sT | I found a GParted live cd |
| 08:27.43 | K|NgGh0sT | Taking forever though |
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| 08:27.45 | tarzeau | e_: the question is so outdated, and the faq is generally outdated |
| 08:27.46 | streuner | !nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 08:27.48 | dpkg | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, streuner |
| 08:27.49 | Azar | Lopa: why not, give it a try |
| 08:27.56 | K|NgGh0sT | !nickometer streuner: |
| 08:27.57 | dpkg | 'streuner:' is 14.000% lame, k|nggh0st |
| 08:28.08 | K|NgGh0sT | !nickometer cat |
| 08:28.09 | dpkg | 'cat' is 0.000% lame, k|nggh0st |
| 08:28.12 | K|NgGh0sT | bah |
| 08:28.30 | chealer | Lopa: yes |
| 08:28.31 | streuner | K|NgGh0sT: that isn't fair, you are using streuner: NOT streuner ! :-) |
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| 08:28.52 | K|NgGh0sT | heh |
| 08:28.59 | K|NgGh0sT | NTFS loses at life |
| 08:29.02 | streuner | !nickometer streuner |
| 08:29.03 | dpkg | 'streuner' is 0.000% lame, streuner |
| 08:29.11 | esop | !lart NTFS |
| 08:29.22 | K|NgGh0sT | I should go have a nap |
| 08:29.28 | K|NgGh0sT | Its going to take a while |
| 08:30.36 | e_ | tarzeau, i wish i can answer that too. ive messed with that before and in the end, i update the whole system to 'unstable'. |
| 08:30.55 | streuner | K|NgGh0sT: change your nick before people get eyecancer, and keep in mind some people don't help, because they don't want type _that_ nick... |
| 08:31.57 | tarzeau | e_: let me answer the question for you: use backports or use sid that simply |
| 08:32.09 | tarzeau | e_: you can in sid just do apt-get install pkg ... |
| 08:32.30 | tarzeau | e_: if you have large massive deps, and huge meta packages , the more it's gonna break (read gnome/kde) |
| 08:33.24 | e_ | tarzeau, noted. i think it will be great to update these info to the wiki so next time others can refer to it. (since its on the channel topic, i think it should be update frequently) |
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| 08:35.25 | tarzeau | e_: i don't think it'll stay in the channel topic any more longer |
| 08:35.26 | woodland | hi |
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| 08:35.36 | tarzeau | e_: because things move to wiki.debian.org |
| 08:36.16 | sevage | Hi.. I wonder is there any easiest way of installing 32bit deb package on amd64 without chroot? |
| 08:36.25 | tarzeau | sevage: no |
| 08:36.47 | sevage | tarzeau, thx :) |
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| 08:38.26 | midomath | is there a program to rip DVD media files to mpeg's |
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| 08:38.36 | tarzeau | midomath: certainly |
| 08:38.44 | e_ | tarzeau, ok. many of us will appreciate your hosting for the past few years at least. (i rememnber before this wiki is just a plain webpage with info on setting up "debian workstation" and other misc stuff) |
| 08:39.06 | midomath | tarzeau: what is the name of the pkg , plz ? |
| 08:39.16 | e_ | tarzeau, now that they moved, you can enjoy the full bandwidth from your ISP :) |
| 08:40.20 | tarzeau | midomath: i didn't say it's in debian... |
| 08:40.32 | tarzeau | midomath: sid or sarge? |
| 08:40.48 | tarzeau | e_: heh, :) |
| 08:40.56 | midomath | tarzeau: Sid |
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| 08:46.36 | K|NgGh0sT | what is a good program to burn iso's? |
| 08:46.51 | formorer | cdrecord |
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| 08:50.27 | Dunedan | Does anybody know if it is possible to mount an ftp directory? And if it is: how? |
| 08:51.28 | Halitherses | you can sort of do that with emacs |
| 08:51.42 | r_marvin | Dunedan: with fuse |
| 08:51.43 | Halitherses | use a tramp path |
| 08:51.49 | shaibn | hi :) i have booted with knoppix and created a disk with with a swap, ext3 and the rest make available for the system. i then created a raid 1 with 1 missing disk (using mdadm) out of the spare partition and formatted it as xfs. how can I now install debian (using netinstaller) so that the boot is on /boot (the ext3 fs) and the system is on the / which is suppose to be the raid /dev/md0 ? |
| 08:51.58 | r_marvin | or it can be done in mc |
| 08:52.04 | Dunedan | r_marvin: thx, I'll have a look |
| 08:52.14 | Dunedan | I want it for backups. |
| 08:52.36 | shaibn | basically, i want the os to sit on the raid md0 device ... |
| 08:52.55 | r_marvin | Dunedan: i'd recommend nfs instead |
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| 08:53.25 | Dunedan | r_marvin: I've only ftp space for that. No other acces :-( |
| 08:53.28 | Dunedan | +s |
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| 08:55.54 | michal_ | hi. does anyone have any idea how to get find to print filenames with spaces in them for use in a for script? i used to be able to do it but i can't figure out how i did it |
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| 08:56.47 | michal_ | i tried using print0 but then the for loop misinterprets the results |
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| 08:59.05 | michal_ | i always have these horrible problems with bahs scripts and unix command line utilities :( |
| 08:59.07 | sevage | michal_, find ./ -name "* *" |
| 08:59.28 | michal_ | sevage: that won't work. you don't seem to understand the problem :/ |
| 08:59.36 | michal_ | i can get find to find the filenames |
| 08:59.42 | michal_ | i just can't use the filenames it returns |
| 09:00.02 | sevage | for i in ... ? |
| 09:00.05 | michal_ | they're incompatible with the way bash seems to handle variables |
| 09:00.10 | michal_ | yep.. doesn't work |
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| 09:00.24 | michal_ | if i use -print it has trouble with the space |
| 09:00.34 | michal_ | if i use -print0 it screws things up even worse |
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| 09:00.42 | dsnww | I cannot get blackdown to download |
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| 09:00.45 | michal_ | with the end of the previous file concatenating to the beggining of the next |
| 09:00.52 | K|NgGh0sT | crap |
| 09:00.55 | dsnww | I have tried several ftp servers |
| 09:00.57 | dsnww | and multiverse |
| 09:01.01 | dsnww | and it always craps out |
| 09:01.02 | michal_ | filename rather. not the actual file |
| 09:01.08 | K|NgGh0sT | debian netinst cant find my dvd drive, heh |
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| 09:02.16 | sevage | michal_, hmm.. u r right.. sorry, didn't checked it up.. :/ |
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| 09:02.21 | bris | salut |
| 09:02.26 | dsnww | the worst part is it always download 90 percent |
| 09:02.27 | dsnww | and then dies |
| 09:03.05 | michal_ | doing bash loops that invlove filenames has always been a collosal nightmare for me :/ |
| 09:03.08 | michal_ | same problems every time |
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| 09:04.01 | bris | the difference between KDE-CORE and KDEBASE? |
| 09:04.20 | cheal | bris: ask #debian-kde, please |
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| 09:04.54 | bris | cheal: merci |
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| 09:05.01 | ft | bris: apt-cache show kde-core |
| 09:05.05 | ft | bris: apt-cache show kdebase |
| 09:05.11 | bris | cheal: thanks |
| 09:05.11 | dsnww | I really need java to work |
| 09:05.27 | dsnww | and this worthless package will not downlaod, I have tried its mirrors from every nation in western Europe and two in north america |
| 09:05.31 | dsnww | and it always craps out |
| 09:05.41 | bris | ft: the packages are almost similar. |
| 09:05.48 | K|NgGh0sT | so crap |
| 09:06.01 | K|NgGh0sT | How do I install when the cd doesnt have my cd rom drivers? |
| 09:06.41 | gilead | michal_: man find and scroll down to 'actions' and 'unusual filenames' sections |
| 09:06.52 | ft | bris: yeah, well, i'm no kde user, but the description tells that they are metapackages and it also tells, what they do. |
| 09:06.54 | mansu | i am trying to configure my wireless card on debian unstable... but i have run into this issue: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilughyd/message/18694 .. any pointers on how i can fix it? |
| 09:06.59 | cheal | K|NgGh0sT: which release do you want to install? |
| 09:07.03 | K|NgGh0sT | etch |
| 09:07.14 | cheal | K|NgGh0sT: did you try installing sarge? |
| 09:07.19 | sevage | michal_, or, as a little workaroud, u can find ... | sed s/" "/":space:"/g :) |
| 09:07.25 | K|NgGh0sT | naw but I can |
| 09:08.18 | michal_ | sevage: there is a way to pass the results from find to bash.. i just can't figure out what it is.. again.. for the 60th time |
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| 09:08.43 | cheal | mansu: it's normal that loading the kernel module fails if you didn't install it |
| 09:09.26 | gilead | michal_: google for 'advanced bash' |
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| 09:09.58 | fontp | waht is the problem you are having, michal_? |
| 09:10.44 | fontp | also, you may want to poke your head into #bash and ask them ... but they may yell at you if it's a question listed in one of the five or six faqs they've got set in the topic. |
| 09:11.11 | michal_ | fontp: i have a directory with file that have spaces in them (not all, just some).. i want to use find to get the filenames that interest me and them pass them to a bash for loop to work with.. i can't do that using either -print or -print0 from find because the names get mangled in different ways |
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| 09:12.03 | harshalfdfd | from where does apt-get takes the proxy name? i guess its from apt.conf rigth? |
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| 09:12.20 | cheal | K|NgGh0sT: that would probably be a good idea. you can try upgrading after |
| 09:12.30 | fontp | michal : and what are you currently doing that is giving you issues ? |
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| 09:13.33 | michal_ | fontp: i simply can't get the bash for loop to handle the spaces |
| 09:13.38 | K|NgGh0sT | sarge works |
| 09:13.39 | K|NgGh0sT | ahahahah |
| 09:13.42 | michal_ | -print or -print0 |
| 09:13.46 | K|NgGh0sT | I have no HDD apparerntly |
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| 09:13.52 | fontp | for i in * ; do echo "$i"; done |
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| 09:14.30 | fontp | what makes a file interesting ? |
| 09:14.32 | mansu | cheal: i did install ndiswrapper-common and utils... are there any more that i need to install? |
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| 09:15.14 | cheal | mansu: I never used ndiswrapper, but I'm pretty sure you need to install a package providing a kernel module |
| 09:15.56 | K|NgGh0sT | what to do since it cannot find my sata drive |
| 09:15.58 | K|NgGh0sT | silly laptop |
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| 09:16.06 | michal_ | fontp: ok.. i was using $(ls *) |
| 09:16.24 | michal_ | fontp: because i was scolded for doing it the way you just mentioned in the past |
| 09:16.38 | Azar | K|NgGh0sT: the way I know , kernel 2.4 does not have sata, if 2.4 is what you are using |
| 09:16.39 | fontp | i won't tell anybody if you don't -__- |
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| 09:16.54 | K|NgGh0sT | Naw its a sarge metista |
| 09:17.08 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm stumpped now |
| 09:17.14 | Azar | K|NgGh0sT: by default, sarge installs with a 2.4 kernel |
| 09:17.21 | K|NgGh0sT | Not expert26 ;) |
| 09:17.51 | fontp | ah, you need it to recurse the directory structure? |
| 09:18.13 | Azar | K|NgGh0sT: i see.... well in some way your sata is not supported I guess |
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| 09:18.44 | sevage | michal_, for i in `find ./ -name "* *" | sed s/" "/":space:"/g`; do filename=`echo $i | sed s/":space:"/" "/g`; echo $filename; done |
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| 09:18.48 | K|NgGh0sT | ya that leaves me stumpped |
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| 09:18.55 | Azar | sata is still a challenge with Debian, that why I avoid buying sata |
| 09:19.13 | K|NgGh0sT | its a sata laptop heh |
| 09:19.27 | siimo | new freetype 2.2.1 seems to have messed stuff up with openoffice and also epiphany-browsers xul backend.. -> now have blurry fonts |
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| 09:20.03 | michal_ | font: ok.. do you have any ideas how i could do the following.. for file in *; do <get info from file and capture something into a variable. ie filename and variable extracted from info); print out matching filename:info pairs: done |
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| 09:20.10 | Azar | newest hardware PCs or laptops have their limitations when it comes to have a smootly running software.. |
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| 09:21.14 | trampel | has anyone seen some (publically available) web applet for organizing socials/parties? (with check-offs for whose bringing the drinks etc)? this is a rather ugly question, i know... thanks! |
| 09:21.49 | fontp | what info are you trying to extract ? |
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| 09:22.44 | trampel | fontp: (assuming that question was to me...) it's more for a "human spinlock" so that not everyone will bring chips |
| 09:22.48 | gilead | michal_: find . -iname '*' -type f -printf '%f\n' | sed 's/ /\\ /g' and you get each file name nicely escaped in each line. Add | tr '\n' ' ' at the end if you want it in single line |
| 09:22.54 | michal_ | fontp: i have a bunch of mangles archive files. i need to extract the volume number from each to give it the correct filename |
| 09:23.24 | K|NgGh0sT | well shit, I'm out of ideas |
| 09:23.29 | fontp | trampel : actual, it was for michal. but have you taken a look at evite.com ? |
| 09:23.46 | michal_ | gilead: i think you have it right with the -printf.. i think tha'ts how i solved this sort of problem in the past |
| 09:23.55 | dn4 | http://myspace-509.vo.llnwd.net/00783/90/53/783703509_l.jpg |
| 09:23.57 | dn4 | me in a past life |
| 09:24.03 | fontp | are they all manged in the same way ? |
| 09:24.06 | trampel | fontp: sorry about that... yes i did. but it's a bit overkill and commercial ... thank you nonetheless |
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| 09:24.32 | K|NgGh0sT | argh I really dont want to install ubuntu |
| 09:24.35 | fontp | maybe just some guestbook software? |
| 09:24.54 | michal_ | fontp: no.. the filenames are all numbered incorrectly without a pattern. the only way to find out which volume they are is to extract that info using a utility |
| 09:25.02 | Azar | K|NgGh0sT: install whatever OS fits your hardware |
| 09:25.12 | trampel | fontp: i'll go search "guestbook" thank you! |
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| 09:25.26 | K|NgGh0sT | anywyay to install ubuntu and then go back to debian? |
| 09:25.35 | K|NgGh0sT | :D |
| 09:25.41 | cheal | K|NgGh0sT: no |
| 09:25.44 | fontp | michal : can you give me an example of the output of the utility and which part is relevant to what you're trying to do? |
| 09:25.48 | K|NgGh0sT | that makes me sad |
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| 09:26.07 | K|NgGh0sT | too bad I can barely read on this tv or I would be searching forums better |
| 09:26.23 | michal_ | fontp: can i message you the output? |
| 09:26.32 | Azar | K|NgGh0sT: I am just ordering a new PC that will not have sata: ide only. Works with any OS |
| 09:26.42 | fontp | sure |
| 09:27.08 | K|NgGh0sT | SATA was easy on my PC, just being a jerk in this laptop |
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| 09:27.52 | cheal | Azar: you should really record this amazing idea in your blog |
| 09:27.57 | K|NgGh0sT | wait it might not be the sata at all |
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| 09:28.18 | Azar | cheal: being nice and helpful is an art, being hostile is easy |
| 09:28.48 | cheal | Azar: and a tough art for some people, it seems |
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| 09:29.47 | Azar | cheal: in any ways it makes me feel good you keep an eye on me, my parents are away and I miss them |
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| 09:30.36 | fireba11 | hi .. am trying to use a package from backports.org (spamassassin) but the instructions tell me to edit /etc/apt/preferences ... there's no such file ^^ |
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| 09:31.01 | cheal | Azar: it's not really mutual, but you can count on me |
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| 09:31.10 | Azar | fireba11: it seems it was replaced by apt.conf file |
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| 09:31.34 | cheal | fireba11: that will mean to create it |
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| 09:31.48 | Azar | fireba11: if you want a link for howto, I can give it to you |
| 09:31.58 | cheal | Azar: just curious, how old are you? |
| 09:31.58 | fireba11 | please do so :-) |
| 09:32.08 | Azar | fireba11: in msg? |
| 09:32.19 | Azar | cheal: 21 |
| 09:32.36 | cheal | Azar: ...ok |
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| 09:34.14 | possie | is it possible to change the kernels scheduling algorithm? |
| 09:35.04 | cheal | possie: most likely |
| 09:35.25 | possie | cheal, also on-the-fly ? |
| 09:35.56 | cheal | possie: doubtful, but don't ask me |
| 09:36.20 | possie | cheal, why do you react on my question then? |
| 09:36.25 | michal_ | jesus. my brain is broken. i can't even remember things i used to do dozens of times a day recently :/ |
| 09:36.52 | michal_ | ie. how to match a number after a string and print it back using sed |
| 09:37.05 | fontp | i only use sed to destroy |
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| 09:37.24 | fontp | sed -e 's/^.*$//' |
| 09:37.26 | fontp | booya |
| 09:37.30 | michal_ | maybe i mean awk then |
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| 09:37.33 | michal_ | i can't even remember that |
| 09:37.46 | cheal | possie: because no one else did? |
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| 09:38.23 | michal_ | how would i match the the number after the string "volume" ? |
| 09:38.54 | formorer | [0-9]? |
| 09:40.09 | michal_ | that doesn't help. i already knew that. i just don't know how to use it in practice |
| 09:40.20 | michal_ | i find myself knowing all the building blocks without being able to build anything :/ |
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| 09:40.54 | formorer | michal_: I don't know what you are matching how and which tool you are using |
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| 09:41.39 | fontp | michael : then you are missing glue, cement, or lackeys |
| 09:42.08 | sewi | hello, i'm on debian sarge but I need emacs-cvs, can I install emacs-snapshot from unstable? |
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| 09:43.00 | michal_ | i think i'm just getting early onset alzheimers or something.. it's being getting progressively worse over the last few years.. now it's like being in a padded cell and banging your head against the walls a lot of the time :/ |
| 09:43.38 | fontp | get more rest |
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| 09:43.58 | michal_ | nothing to do with rest.. i get 8 hours sleep a day |
| 09:44.07 | cheal | sewi: it's always possible... |
| 09:44.24 | michal_ | say ui have a stream of text |
| 09:44.26 | fontp | eat better, consume more fish, supplement with nootropics, moderate exercise, not too much to drink, get up from the computer every 30 minutes to stretch and roll your wrists, don't speed, stop smoking, |
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| 09:44.34 | michal_ | with volume 21 in it |
| 09:44.42 | michal_ | how do i just get 21 out of it? |
| 09:44.46 | fontp | what comes after "volume 21" ? |
| 09:44.51 | michal_ | or any number 1 - 99 |
| 09:44.56 | sewi | cheal: thanks |
| 09:45.03 | michal_ | nothing.. literally |
| 09:45.29 | fontp | echo $string | sed -e 's/^.*volume //' |
| 09:45.32 | dn4 | http://pastebin.com/748696 |
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| 09:46.20 | michal_ | that spits out the original input also |
| 09:46.23 | F3X | hi all |
| 09:46.34 | michal_ | well at least the lines which don't have volume on them |
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| 09:47.02 | fontp | so some lines contain "volume" and some don't? |
| 09:47.11 | michal_ | yes |
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| 09:47.19 | fontp | can you give example of output? |
| 09:47.32 | michal_ | i messaged you the example output :P |
| 09:47.39 | fontp | i didn't get it. |
| 09:47.42 | michal_ | just one of the lines contains the volume ? |
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| 09:48.11 | fontp | the only msg i've recieved in the past hour is frmo the bot. |
| 09:48.18 | michal_ | fontp, ahh.. private messages are blocked on this server :/ |
| 09:48.20 | K|NgGh0sT | So the issue i think is that I'm using SATA through PATA |
| 09:48.48 | Ronin | michal_: have to be recognized with nickserv for it to work |
| 09:49.01 | fontp | can you paste the output to the pastebin orsomethign ? |
| 09:49.03 | fwest | does anyone know of apache 2.2.2 packages for sarge? |
| 09:49.04 | fontp | or something |
| 09:49.33 | K|NgGh0sT | argh I really do not want to use Gentoo |
| 09:49.35 | ru_wing | fwest> use the source :) |
| 09:49.35 | cheal | fwest: unlikely |
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| 09:49.51 | fwest | guess i will have to |
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| 09:50.07 | michal_ | fontp, http://pastebin.com/748702 |
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| 09:50.50 | fontp | so you'll need to cut out the first 9 lines every time ? |
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| 09:51.02 | michal_ | font: i could do something stupid like use tail -1 but i think sed can handle multiple lines :P |
| 09:51.07 | fontp | err, 8 |
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| 09:52.16 | nuke | how can i scp a comp that has ssh running on a non-standard port? |
| 09:52.35 | mattl | nuke: -P [port] |
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| 09:53.16 | alumno | .............. |
| 09:53.20 | nuke | thnx...i wonder why it didnt work earlier |
| 09:53.38 | Ronin | wrong case for the p? |
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| 09:54.12 | fontp | michal : sed -e '1,8d' -e 's/^.*volume //g' |
| 09:54.21 | fwest | im trying to use mod_auth_ldap against a wintendo AD, i seem to be able to auth a user against any account in the built in User OU but an other user returns an object not found, anyone else come across this? |
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| 09:55.07 | michal_ | font: ahh.. there's a blank line at the end too |
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| 09:55.32 | fontp | for i in * ; do unrar l $i | sed -e '1,8d' -e -e 's/.*volume //g' |
| 09:55.52 | fontp | for i in * ; do unrar l $i | sed -e '10d' -e '1,8d' -e 's/.*volume //g' ; done |
| 09:56.10 | michal_ | fontp: i SWEAR there was some way of matching that was essentially (everything)volume(space)(number)(everything) and then you can print the 3rd match which was the number |
| 09:56.41 | fontp | i'll bet there is. but that's how i would do it. |
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| 10:02.39 | dn4 | http://pastebin.com/748716 |
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| 10:03.39 | F3X | hi I have a problem with booting, it would be nice if someone could help me. I made a description of my problem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2690 |
| 10:05.16 | cheal | F3X: no real clue, but which Linux version do you use? |
| 10:05.27 | F3X | debian sarge |
| 10:05.49 | cheal | F3X: OK, but using which version of the Linux kernel? |
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| 10:06.45 | F3X | cheal: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:07.06 | cheal | F3X: ok. did you try with 2.6.8? |
| 10:07.23 | F3X | cheal: nope just set up the machine |
| 10:07.50 | cheal | F3X: you could do that |
| 10:08.01 | F3X | cheal: shall i install a new kernel and if i have this problem again i will ask again |
| 10:08.19 | cheal | F3X: good |
| 10:08.58 | F3X | cheal: thanks, first have to learn who to build a new kernel |
| 10:09.30 | cheal | F3X: hum...you don't have to build it. I mentioned 2.6.8 because it's in Debian |
| 10:09.37 | Azar | F3X: no need to build one you can get a pre-compiled one |
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| 10:10.17 | F3X | ok |
| 10:10.25 | F3X | i will figure it out |
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| 10:12.21 | ovidiu | exit |
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| 10:16.41 | hyph-n | hi (all) |
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| 10:18.43 | F3X | cheal: the faq tells me to keep the /boot/config-2.4 that would be a stupid idea or? |
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| 10:19.14 | cheal | F3X: sorry, which FAQ? |
| 10:19.16 | vovka | hi |
| 10:19.37 | vovka | why debian use "traceroute" not "tracepath" ? |
| 10:19.47 | hyph-n | stew: hi there... getting back to this cdrom 'issue' that i had.. |
| 10:20.02 | F3X | cheal: a german despriction how to install a new kernel |
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| 10:20.13 | threatcat | vovka, tracepath? never heard of that |
| 10:20.25 | vovka | gentoo |
| 10:20.54 | Azar | F3X: use apt-cache search kernel-image to look for a 2.6.8 proper for your cpu architecture. Write it down, then use aptitude install <found kernel> |
| 10:20.59 | ru_wing | why gentoo use tracepath, not traceroute? =) |
| 10:21.12 | threatcat | vovka, who knows |
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| 10:21.17 | michal_ | what would this do? because it doesn't do what i imagine it should do |
| 10:21.20 | michal_ | sed 's/\(.*?\)volume\(.*?\)/\2/ |
| 10:21.32 | cheal | F3X: well it's not stupid. always keep files under dpkg's control unless you have [very] good reason |
| 10:21.45 | vovka | Azar, 8-) |
| 10:22.02 | vovka | Azar, why debian use traceroute not tracepath? 8-)) |
| 10:22.03 | Azar | hi vovikovich |
| 10:22.07 | vovka | =) |
| 10:22.30 | Azar | vovka: I assume because is debian? therefore uses what it has? |
| 10:22.39 | vovka | Azar, i have friend Azaroff Sergej 8-) |
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| 10:22.53 | Azar | vovka: it sounds nice, thanks |
| 10:23.04 | vovka | =) |
| 10:23.11 | F3X | cheal: ok |
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| 10:23.39 | Azar | path, route same thing |
| 10:23.47 | ThomasPorter | Any ideas was the debian locate command is? |
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| 10:24.14 | michal_ | regular expressions are evil :/ |
| 10:24.20 | cheal | ThomasPorter: "was"? |
| 10:24.28 | F3X | ThomasPorter: ger? |
| 10:24.48 | F3X | ThomasPorter: your english sounds very german |
| 10:24.49 | Azar | wo |
| 10:24.51 | mike] | hildi, is Domenico Andreoli (cavok) around? |
| 10:25.03 | mike] | oops, damn name completion |
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| 10:25.20 | cheal | vovka: "Debian" doesn't use one rather than the other |
| 10:26.04 | F3X | ThomasPorter: it is a command to find things, faster than "find" |
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| 10:26.22 | ThomasPorter | theres a find command? |
| 10:26.27 | ThomasPorter | well you see, on centos |
| 10:26.28 | Azar | I think he means to find where is located |
| 10:26.34 | ThomasPorter | to find something i'd just type "locate httpd.conf" |
| 10:26.37 | ThomasPorter | and it'd give me the path |
| 10:26.42 | ThomasPorter | I tried it on debian and it didn't work. |
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| 10:26.51 | ThomasPorter | Since yum is apt-get.. I thought it could be different aswell |
| 10:26.55 | Tidus | ThomasPorter: i believe it's slocate on debian |
| 10:27.23 | cheal | mike]: try /whois cavok |
| 10:27.30 | apecat | locate is availabel for debian, too, but using slocate is a better idea |
| 10:27.33 | ThomasPorter | s for super? super locate? |
| 10:27.41 | apecat | suceure locate |
| 10:27.45 | apecat | *secure |
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| 10:28.15 | apecat | it olnly displays files the the current user has access to if i remember correctly |
| 10:28.16 | ThomasPorter | It says command not found |
| 10:28.24 | apecat | *gah typos |
| 10:28.32 | apecat | uhm, then you need to insatll it |
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| 10:28.38 | apecat | apt-get install slocate |
| 10:28.49 | cheal | ThomasPorter: which Debian release do you use? |
| 10:29.00 | ThomasPorter | The latest? |
| 10:29.05 | ThomasPorter | I got it with the net inst |
| 10:29.29 | Spliffster | hi. i have a general x-windows question. i became a big fan of scren lately. now i wonder if it is possible to manage x-windows application in a simmilar way (ie. detacht the ui from an X-Display and re-attach the sill running application's display on anothe host) ? |
| 10:29.37 | cheal | ThomasPorter: it's important that we know which one it is. can you confirm you use Debian 3.1? |
| 10:29.43 | cheal | !xwindows |
| 10:29.43 | dpkg | somebody said xwindows was NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 10:29.46 | Spliffster | s/scren/screen/ |
| 10:30.02 | apecat | afaik neither slocate or locate gets installed by "default" or with any of teh settinsg i've tried without changing the packages to be downloaded, with a netinstall disc |
| 10:30.14 | ThomasPorter | Ues 3.1 |
| 10:30.46 | ThomasPorter | Ah |
| 10:30.47 | cheal | ThomasPorter: what does $ ls -l /usr/bin/locate; output? |
| 10:30.48 | apecat | then slocate is only one apt-get away |
| 10:31.12 | apecat | or, heh unless it's some other trouble |
| 10:31.14 | F3X | bunzip2 -c linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 | tar x what does the tar x do it this command? make it silent? |
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| 10:31.49 | liable | hrm, locate is in findutils which is essential.. |
| 10:31.49 | Spliffster | F3X: bunzip2 uncompresses the archive, tar x extracts the file from the archive |
| 10:32.01 | michal_ | i can't believe how hard anything simple always is |
| 10:32.10 | ThomasPorter | cheal, it outputs one line.. of stuff. (sorry I can't copy and paste.. two different boxes) |
| 10:32.19 | F3X | Spliffster: k thx |
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| 10:32.50 | Tidus | F3X: you can use 'tar -xvjf linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2' if you dont wanna deal with that pipe |
| 10:33.00 | Spliffster | f3X: the same command without piping (the Ā¦ thingie) would be: tar xjf linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 |
| 10:33.05 | Tidus | that one command will unzip and untar at the same time |
| 10:33.14 | cheal | ThomasPorter: what does $ echo $PATH; output? |
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| 10:34.03 | ThomasPorter | sbin/usr etc.. says that quite afew times |
| 10:35.11 | cheal | ThomasPorter: is ":/usr/bin:" in there? |
| 10:35.16 | F3X | Spliffster: i did it that way before but i am a noob and the howto told me to do so |
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| 10:36.46 | Spliffster | F3X: ok, both commands to the same, you don't have to care in that case |
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| 10:36.53 | Spliffster | s/to/do/ |
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| 10:37.37 | ThomasPorter | cheal, yes it is |
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| 10:38.03 | cheal | ThomasPorter: which shell do you use? |
| 10:38.08 | Spliffster | an -X11 wizard in here ? i have a question. |
| 10:38.20 | cheal | !tell Spliffster about ask |
| 10:38.21 | ThomasPorter | cheal, terminal in gnome |
| 10:38.35 | F3X | linux is a funny thing, make menuconfig failed and told me to make my console bigger because it would be too small for menuconfig |
| 10:38.44 | cheal | ThomasPorter: what does $ echo $0; output? |
| 10:38.59 | Spliffster | cheal: thank you i did :) |
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| 10:39.49 | Spliffster | is it possible to display an x-window applications ui on a display and re-attach it on another x-server ? |
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| 10:40.29 | cheal | Spliffster: sorry, I don't use that factoid often. I thought it would point you to more documentation. anyway, I thought it would tell you to avoid asking if gurus were present, but just asking your question...as you just did |
| 10:40.32 | beefcake | 2 vnc sessions? |
| 10:41.12 | ThomasPorter | cheal "bash" |
| 10:41.43 | cheal | ThomasPorter: what does $ type locate; ouput? |
| 10:42.25 | ThomasPorter | locate is hashed (usr/bin/locate) |
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| 10:43.27 | cheal | ThomasPorter: what does $ cat /etc/debian_version; output? |
| 10:44.03 | michal_ | unrar -l file.rar | grep volume | sed 's/^\(.*\)\(volume\ \)\([0-9]\+\)/\3/' |
| 10:44.03 | ThomasPorter | Didn't belive me :P |
| 10:44.07 | ThomasPorter | cheal, 3.1 |
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| 10:44.15 | michal_ | that seems to do the job.. and it only took 3 hours to get |
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| 10:45.41 | michal_ | ahh.. but alas.. it still does not work in practice |
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| 10:46.17 | ThomasPorter | I've spent the last 16 hours on my problem. |
| 10:47.06 | ThomasPorter | cheal, "3.1" |
| 10:47.19 | sussudio | is there any significance to the colour of ultra scsi cables? |
| 10:47.22 | cheal | ThomasPorter: yeah, it's late here |
| 10:47.33 | ThomasPorter | oh ok |
| 10:47.39 | ThomasPorter | Is there someway to install locate? |
| 10:47.53 | cheal | ThomasPorter: it's already installed |
| 10:47.58 | sussudio | ThomasPorter: updatedb. should already be installed. |
| 10:48.42 | ThomasPorter | Hmm. |
| 10:49.06 | michal_ | so echo looks good |
| 10:49.09 | michal_ | but bash says No such file or directory |
| 10:49.20 | cheal | ThomasPorter: try $ hash -d locate |
| 10:49.59 | michal_ | it's unbelievable how difficult this is for me :( |
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| 10:50.13 | Garp | Hi. |
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| 10:50.39 | michal_ | for file in *.rar ; do "unrar l \"$file\" | grep volume | sed 's/^\(.*\)\(volume\ \)\([0-9]\+\)/\3/'"; done |
| 10:50.43 | michal_ | plain doesn't work |
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| 10:51.24 | Uniqq | hi, does anyone know how to change the order of drives within the raid array? As they appear to be randomly used looking at /proc/mdstat |
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| 10:51.28 | michal_ | simply due to the space in most filenames |
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| 10:51.48 | Garp | Question: I've some NFS export. See On server I have directory /A, containing a directory B (/A/B) that is a mount point for another volume (mount /dev/sdb6 /A/B) if I exports /A it seems that my client cant see /A/B (they see an empty directory). IS that expected? Is there a workaround? Thanks. |
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| 10:52.04 | mansu | does ndiswrapper work well with apt-get? or should i compile it from source for a particular version of the kernel? |
| 10:52.08 | jaalto | What is the cdrecord(1) command to access the disk information (manufacturer etc,) |
| 10:52.26 | michal_ | ok.. i have to give up.. i can't afford to spend my entire life on each problem i encounter :( |
| 10:52.34 | Uniqq | lol |
| 10:52.47 | jaalto | The information is printed when you write the disk, but I'd like to get it without disk writing |
| 10:52.57 | Garp | OK sorry. |
| 10:53.09 | Garp | Answer: man exports see 'nohide' option. |
| 10:53.34 | Coweater | jaalto: atip |
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| 10:54.23 | Garp | Seems not so coool btw |
| 10:54.30 | cheal | mansu: your first question doesn't make much sense. about the second, you probably have to compile the kernel module from source anyway, if that's what you mean |
| 10:54.30 | Garp | bebye. |
| 10:54.52 | brad` | i want apache with ssl and perl, why are there three different apache installs? |
| 10:54.54 | michal_ | so.. doing this manually 30 times may be very annoying.. but it's still much more efficient than any other alternative :/ |
| 10:54.58 | jaalto | Coweater, ok thank you |
| 10:55.49 | blondie | michal_: find -exec may help. |
| 10:56.06 | Coweater | mansu: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper |
| 10:56.12 | michal_ | blondie: at this point i doubt everything. i'm sure it would choke on the spaces :/ |
| 10:56.19 | jaalto | Coweater, the reason I was asking because I''ve read about manaufactures and CD-RW/DVD disk quality forums where several labels should be avoided. I'm going to throw away non-trusted manaufactures' disk away |
| 10:56.23 | blondie | michal_: no, it won't |
| 10:58.07 | michal_ | how do you actually use -exec? i tried find . -name "*.rar" -exec unrar l {} ; and it doesn't like it |
| 10:58.24 | blondie | replace ; with \; |
| 10:58.37 | michal_ | ahh. thanks |
| 10:59.14 | cheal | mansu: actually, I realize there are prebuilt ndiswrapper modules in the archive. which Linux version do you use? |
| 10:59.31 | mansu | cheal: 2.6.14 |
| 10:59.53 | cheal | mansu: hum, under which Debian release? |
| 10:59.57 | mansu | cheal: the ones in the archive are 2.6.8 |
| 11:00.04 | michal_ | find . -name "*.rar" -exec unrar l {} | grep volume | sed 's/^\(.*\)\(volume\ \)\([0-9]\+\)/\3/'\ ; |
| 11:00.11 | michal_ | which parts of that are wrong? |
| 11:00.14 | mansu | cheal: unstable... |
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| 11:00.18 | michal_ | do i need to escape the |'s ? |
| 11:00.53 | cheal | mansu: I suppose you'll be able to figure that out if you use unstable |
| 11:01.22 | mansu | cheal: hmm the ones in the archive are for 2.6.8 |
| 11:01.39 | michal_ | no.. \| doesn't help.. i can't see what's not being escaped.. i tried sticking \ in front of anything that looked like it might need it :/ |
| 11:01.41 | cheal | mansu: right |
| 11:02.09 | mansu | is anybody using belkin F5D6020 PCMCIA wireless card on debian unstable... |
| 11:02.12 | mansu | ? |
| 11:02.28 | michal_ | in fact i don't think find -exec can handle pipes |
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| 11:02.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:02.50 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:02.51 | Maulkin | michal_: Try piping the results of the find to xargs |
| 11:03.41 | michal_ | maulkin: but then how will xargs deal with multiple pipes for each xarg? |
| 11:03.45 | sebo | Once again: What does it means 'authoritate-only' DNS name server ;> |
| 11:05.01 | Maulkin | michal_: Ahh, I see what you're trying to do. |
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| 11:05.42 | Maulkin | for file in `find . -name "*.rar"`; do yadayadayada |
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| 11:06.24 | michal_ | maulkin: that won't work.. i spent a few hours on it before giving up in disgust :( |
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| 11:07.32 | michal_ | ie |
| 11:07.33 | michal_ | for file in *.rar ; do "unrar l \"$file\" | grep volume | sed 's/^\(.*\)\(volume\ \)\([0-9]\+\)/\3/'"; done |
| 11:07.40 | michal_ | and a thousand variations thereof |
| 11:07.45 | sebo | No one is using debian as DNS server or what ?? |
| 11:07.45 | Maulkin | michal_: That's not what I typed :) |
| 11:07.59 | Maulkin | for file in `find . -name "*.rar"`; do "unrar l \"$file\" | grep volume | sed 's/^\(.*\)\(volume\ \)\([0-9]\+\)/\3/'"; done |
| 11:08.30 | Maulkin | Though I'm not sure why you have " after the do... |
| 11:08.31 | ivan_w | Maulkin, michal_ , why not just find . -name '*.rar' -exec <whatever> {} \; ? |
| 11:08.34 | michal_ | doesn't work. can't find any of the files |
| 11:08.37 | cheal | sebo: what ? |
| 11:08.43 | blondie | Maulkin: he has spaces in his filenames ;) |
| 11:08.53 | michal_ | ivan_w, because i don't know what i want to exec on them unless i do a few more steps |
| 11:08.55 | Maulkin | blondie: oh god... |
| 11:09.13 | ivan_w | michal_: then use a script that'll figure it out |
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| 11:09.31 | Maulkin | michal_: I think you're better off scripting it. |
| 11:09.38 | Spliffster | sebo: my knowledge is from bind 4 (this was ages ago), usually the authorative server is the one that is the primary source of a zone ... a non authoritive server is more like a relay/proxy ... asking other servers for the zone information |
| 11:09.47 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 11:09.51 | michal_ | ivan_w, can't. this seems unscriptable. it always trips up at some point due to filenames |
| 11:09.58 | Maulkin | Or at least getting the results into a file and then using sed ro something on the file. |
| 11:10.13 | michal_ | i can't figure out any way to do that |
| 11:10.16 | ivan_w | michal_: because of whitespaces ? |
| 11:10.17 | Maulkin | (to produce a list of caommands to run) |
| 11:10.57 | michal_ | ivan_w, i don't know.. i have commands failing when they are PERFECT even when the filenames don't have spaces |
| 11:11.02 | michal_ | copy and paste makes them work |
| 11:11.05 | ArchitectSinan | i found a package for php4 (4:4.3.10-16) in http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/php4. But when i try to install using "apt-get install php4" it installs 4.3.10-16 even i am using ftp.debain.org as http apt source. What is the problem ? |
| 11:11.23 | ArchitectSinan | sorry: ftp.debian.org |
| 11:11.30 | Maulkin | ArchitectSinan: Nothing, theyr'e the same |
| 11:11.32 | sebo | I woud like to make my debian to host some DNS and to serve them for my LAN... and I don't know which deb package would be best for it :] |
| 11:11.37 | blondie | ArchitectSinan: what's wrong with that? |
| 11:11.53 | Maulkin | sebo: I'd say 'bind' |
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| 11:12.01 | ArchitectSinan | blondie: I'm so sorry. I thought that it's 4.4.3 |
| 11:12.08 | ArchitectSinan | I need >4.4.2 |
| 11:12.09 | blondie | :) |
| 11:12.10 | ivan_w | Spliffster: actually, primary servers and authoritative servers can be completelly separate (for example if you want your zone files on a server out of a DMZ) |
| 11:12.12 | blondie | erm |
| 11:12.25 | ArchitectSinan | i think i jump to dotdeb.org ? |
| 11:12.42 | Maulkin | !tell ArchitectSinan about backports |
| 11:12.47 | ArchitectSinan | i think i need to use dotdeb.org's backages ? |
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| 11:12.54 | ArchitectSinan | maulkin:thx |
| 11:12.57 | michal_ | hmm.. i have a new idea |
| 11:13.18 | Spliffster | ivan_w: thanx for the info |
| 11:13.25 | Spliffster | sebo: try apt-cache search bind |
| 11:13.37 | sebo | Thx ...so i'll check bind first :) |
| 11:13.38 | Maulkin | michal_: My solution would be to find the file names, dump the names to a temp file, load that in vim, and do some search and replace. |
| 11:13.53 | Maulkin | Then you can exec the temp file with all your nice commands in |
| 11:13.54 | ivan_w | michal_: have you tried something like : find . -name '*.rar' | <script> ; and then use something like while read file \n do ... done ? |
| 11:14.05 | F3X | is CPU Frequency scaling usefull? |
| 11:14.17 | michal_ | Maulkin, that won't work.. there is no pattern in what i'm doing :/ it all depends on the command being run on each file |
| 11:14.27 | Spliffster | sebo: there is also a really nice o'reilly book. DNS isn't trivial and once deployed so much relies on it. i really recommend to read up at least the basics. |
| 11:14.31 | michal_ | ivan_w, i'm trying something similar to that now |
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| 11:15.27 | ivan_w | sebo : I would (personally) recommend bind9 (not bind - which is bind 8).. but that's a personal opinion |
| 11:15.33 | Spliffster | F3X: it depends, if you have to save power or want to reduce the temperature output then it matters |
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| 11:15.44 | michal_ | grr.. hit a little problem.. don't know how to handle alternating lines of text with sed. i can't actually address them |
| 11:15.46 | Spliffster | F3X: for laptops, quiet servers does it matter |
| 11:16.34 | F3X | Spliffster: well i will do that when i install debian on my macbook, but not on my puti at home |
| 11:18.04 | Spliffster | F3X: makes sense. also .. .there are 2 different mechanisms... one of the mechanism's works only with Pentium-M processors .. .the other mechanism is called throttling (AFAIK) and can be used with wider range of cpus. |
| 11:18.12 | michal_ | grr.. i wish sed wasn't such a pain in the ass |
| 11:18.28 | ivan_w | michal_: awk ? |
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| 11:18.41 | michal_ | how is it any less of a pain in the ass? |
| 11:18.43 | Spliffster | michal_: <smartass-mode on> use ex</smart-ass mode off> |
| 11:18.50 | ivan_w | michal_: not saying :P |
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| 11:19.10 | michal_ | i basically have alternating lines of data i want now |
| 11:19.44 | michal_ | sets of 2 lines with something on each.. the from and to values basically |
| 11:19.47 | F3X | Spliffster: got an amd xp. |
| 11:19.55 | michal_ | but i can't figure out how to get them :/ |
| 11:20.10 | ivan_w | michal_: I'm pretty sure it's feasable in sed.. just don't ask me how coz I don't have a friggin idea ! |
| 11:20.15 | Spliffster | F3X: umm .. i don't know much about hardware i don't own :S |
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| 11:20.32 | michal_ | because i don't know how to get sed to match according to different rules based on which line it's on.. when i don't know the line number |
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| 11:20.54 | michal_ | so basically odd lines even lines |
| 11:21.16 | Spliffster | michal_: instead of line adresses, sed can use regex |
| 11:21.54 | ivan_w | I'm sure some perl wiz could figure it out in a microsecond.. problem is I wouldn't be able to write perl even if my life depended on it ! |
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| 11:22.18 | Spliffster | michal_: $ sed -e '/^find this line/ s/find/found/' |
| 11:22.23 | michal_ | Spliffster, yes but that's eaten up many hours of time without giving me anything usable.. so i'd hate to waste another 3 hours trying to work this out and inevitably failing. |
| 11:22.32 | michal_ | Spliffster, how does that work on sets of 2 lines though? |
| 11:23.01 | michal_ | can i get sed to limit itself to 2lines, then another 2 lines, then another 2 lines |
| 11:23.04 | Spliffster | michal_: what do you mean with "sets of 2 lins" ? |
| 11:23.05 | michal_ | rather than a line at a time? |
| 11:23.18 | Uniqq | ? |
| 11:23.35 | ivan_w | I think he means he has foo\nbar and he want to find foo and so something with bar |
| 11:23.45 | ivan_w | s/so/do/ |
| 11:24.04 | Maulkin | Personally, I've write a vim script :)_ |
| 11:24.07 | Spliffster | michal_: what about pre processing the file to put the 2 lines on one and then edit them. you will have problems with all line oriented editors (such as sed) to achive this job |
| 11:24.09 | michal_ | i have foo\nbar\n repeating |
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| 11:24.48 | ivan_w | Spliffster: actually, I'm quite confident sed knows how to handle that.. it has some form of loop control in it - allowing skipping lines and such.. |
| 11:24.49 | michal_ | it looks like it's going to take a thousand seperate steps to do this.. and it's increasingly looking like doing it manually would just be a lot faster :/ |
| 11:25.11 | michal_ | in fact i could have done it 30 times manually in the time i've been trying to figure out how to do it automatically |
| 11:25.29 | Spliffster | and another 20 times in the time you have been complaining |
| 11:25.37 | Spliffster | ;) |
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| 11:25.43 | michal_ | no.. it would take about 20 minutes to do manually |
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| 11:26.00 | michal_ | and i've been trying to sovle it for over 4 hours |
| 11:26.15 | kimo | guys, top shows 'PR' and 'NI', what's the difference bet a priority and a nice value? |
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| 11:26.38 | thefordexter | Algu?m conhece um bom software para gerenciamento de vota??o? |
| 11:28.55 | cheal | !br |
| 11:28.56 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 11:31.46 | ThomasPorter | rm /home/www.example.com (its a dir) wont work.. so I looked it up.. and rm -d /home/www.example.com doesn't work :S how do you delete a dir. |
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| 11:32.28 | RichiH | ThomasPorter: rm -rf |
| 11:32.32 | epsilon | is there any .file? |
| 11:32.40 | ThomasPorter | I'm not that stupid. |
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| 11:33.01 | cheal | ThomasPorter: BTW, did my suggestion about locate help? |
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| 11:33.20 | quitte | ThomasPorter: -rf isn't wrong. look for recursive in the man page. |
| 11:33.23 | ThomasPorter | cheal, yes, greatly, thankyou every mark. |
| 11:33.28 | epsilon | check if something is linking or mounting the dir |
| 11:33.29 | ThomasPorter | oh. |
| 11:33.36 | cheal | ThomasPorter: OK, thanks for the feedback |
| 11:33.38 | ThomasPorter | I remember doing something like that a year ago and deleting evrything. |
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| 11:33.51 | superlinux | hi all |
| 11:33.54 | ThomasPorter | cheal, it all works now |
| 11:33.57 | quitte | ThomasPorter: rm -rf /? yes that deletes everything |
| 11:34.04 | superlinux | rcS.d level is which run level? |
| 11:34.17 | ThomasPorter | quitte, so it does delete everything.. |
| 11:34.21 | quitte | ThomasPorter: also things like ../ and the like are vey dangerous. the whole rm command run as root is dangerous |
| 11:34.22 | F3X | i dont need firewire support if i dont have a firewire port on my machine, right? |
| 11:34.47 | superlinux | F3X, yes |
| 11:34.50 | ThomasPorter | quitte, I don't run as root after I tried the rm -rf off someone from IRC. |
| 11:35.02 | azeem | ThomasPorter: it only deletes everything if you tell it to start at the root of your filesystem (i.e. / ) |
| 11:35.16 | superlinux | rcS.d level is which run level? |
| 11:35.26 | ThomasPorter | azeem, so should I cd inside the dir I want to delete? |
| 11:35.30 | azeem | ThomasPorter: and yes, never run those commands as root if you want to do stuff in your home dir |
| 11:35.42 | azeem | ThomasPorter: you can do that as well, yes |
| 11:35.45 | tarzeau | english language question, is there/what is the plural of critic ? |
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| 11:35.51 | azeem | the cd .. and rmdir <dir> |
| 11:35.54 | ThomasPorter | or rm -rf /home/www.example.com (thats what I want to delete |
| 11:35.55 | azeem | s/the/then/ |
| 11:36.07 | F3X | what is I20? |
| 11:36.15 | azeem | tarzeau: critics |
| 11:36.19 | superlinux | I have download from amule 3 CBT nuggets videos |
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| 11:36.29 | TIIPOS | hello |
| 11:36.33 | tarzeau | azeem: what i thought. and this form doesn't exist and is just wrong: criticisms, right? |
| 11:36.36 | ThomasPorter | Thanks. |
| 11:36.42 | ivan_w | michal_: you still here ? well.. it seems to not be that hard in sed.. |
| 11:36.48 | azeem | tarzeau: well, depends on whether your're talking about people or not |
| 11:36.55 | azeem | I was talking about people |
| 11:37.08 | azeem | there might not be a plural of criticism |
| 11:37.14 | tarzeau | azeem: what about this sentence: We don't claim to have all the answers yet, so mail us with your thoughts and criticisms. |
| 11:37.36 | azeem | tarzeau: I don't know, I am not a native speaker :) |
| 11:37.42 | michal_ | ivan_w, well i did it manually. this has taught me for the 20th time that it's not worth trying to do something repetetive automatically when you can do it manually in a TINY fraction of the time |
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| 11:37.51 | superlinux | tarzeau, I think it's no plural |
| 11:38.02 | superlinux | its I think like information |
| 11:38.34 | ivan_w | Ok.. but you may want to have a quick look.. for example, a small sed script that finds 'foo' and prints the next line is actually dead simple ! |
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| 11:38.50 | ThomasPorter | azeem, what if the dir Im attempting to delete isn't emty? |
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| 11:39.14 | azeem | ThomasPorter: then rmdir will complain |
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| 11:39.36 | superlinux | ThomasPorter, rm -R will do it for you |
| 11:39.44 | ThomasPorter | thanks |
| 11:39.48 | superlinux | but |
| 11:39.50 | superlinux | !!! |
| 11:39.50 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 11:39.53 | superlinux | beware |
| 11:39.54 | azeem | the best idea is probably to go to the parent directory of the dir you want to delete, check whether the dir is maybe a symlink and otherwise do rm -r <dir> |
| 11:39.57 | ThomasPorter | But? |
| 11:40.13 | ThomasPorter | Thanks |
| 11:40.16 | azeem | superlinux: there's no -R option to rm AFAIK |
| 11:40.21 | superlinux | better put an alias for rm |
| 11:40.21 | azeem | ah, there is |
| 11:40.23 | azeem | aliai |
| 11:40.31 | superlinux | azeem mbala fee |
| 11:40.34 | michal_ | ivan_w, nothing quick about finding what you want to do in sed :P you have to know exactly how to do it to have a chance of finding out :P |
| 11:40.39 | azeem | superlinux: huh? |
| 11:40.44 | superlinux | there is |
| 11:40.51 | ivan_w | For example : sed -n -e '/foo/ n;p' |
| 11:40.52 | azeem | well, I said that |
| 11:40.55 | superlinux | that's a common option |
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| 11:41.31 | ThomasPorter | azeem, worked perfectly thanks :D |
| 11:41.35 | superlinux | do info:/coreutils |
| 11:41.57 | superlinux | ThomasPorter, ! |
| 11:42.15 | superlinux | what is your current desktop? |
| 11:42.47 | ThomasPorter | Gnome |
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| 11:43.02 | superlinux | aha |
| 11:43.04 | superlinux | look |
| 11:43.28 | superlinux | if you want use knoquror as your man and info browser |
| 11:43.30 | ThomasPorter | agh ok |
| 11:43.37 | superlinux | the KDE's native |
| 11:43.43 | azeem | he's using GNOME |
| 11:43.48 | superlinux | I know |
| 11:43.50 | jon_ | I have installed debian etch today, but X isn't working, it's giving me an error about /dev/input/mice any packages I need for support for USB mice? |
| 11:44.00 | superlinux | but that will easy it to read |
| 11:44.20 | azeem | superlinux: GNOME has that as well |
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| 11:44.36 | superlinux | can he do man:/ls |
| 11:44.47 | azeem | superlinux: dude, that wasn't his question |
| 11:44.48 | superlinux | or info:/tar |
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| 11:45.00 | superlinux | I am trying to help him |
| 11:45.13 | superlinux | and make it short |
| 11:45.21 | azeem | you're making up solution for non-existant problems |
| 11:46.01 | superlinux | ok |
| 11:46.01 | azeem | or at least, non-articulated problems |
| 11:46.04 | superlinux | he was aking about rm... so I wanted him to use the manual |
| 11:46.26 | azeem | so tell him to read the manual |
| 11:46.27 | superlinux | *asking |
| 11:46.37 | azeem | if he has further trouble with that, you can make further suggestions |
| 11:47.05 | superlinux | ok mtle ma baddak |
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| 11:47.59 | superlinux | no one answered my question |
| 11:48.03 | superlinux | rcS.d level is which run level? |
| 11:48.11 | azeem | startup |
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| 11:48.35 | superlinux | ok.. you mean the very 1st? |
| 11:48.41 | azeem | it's not a runlevel, it is what gets started by init before switching to one of the 2-5 runlevels, AFAIK |
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| 11:49.42 | superlinux | I know is 1 = single ; 0 = shutdown ; 6 = reboot; 2 is debian's default |
| 11:51.12 | Foobar | If one does ssh foo.somedomain.com, how can one be sure that the domain really resolves to the right IP-address and more importantly the right computer? |
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| 11:51.38 | superlinux | Foobar, use dig hostname |
| 11:51.54 | superlinux | or use nslookup hostname |
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| 11:52.30 | quitte | Foobar: once you have the hostkey in known_hosts youll be told if the host key changed for the hostname |
| 11:52.49 | superlinux | and the right computer is arp IP |
| 11:52.52 | quitte | Foobar: if you have some other way but ssh to get the ssh key that you trust more you can use that |
| 11:53.14 | dodo | Hi all, how do i spec a range of number .. something like for i in 1..62 do echo $i done ? |
| 11:53.44 | superlinux | dodo, joinn #bash |
| 11:53.57 | Spliffster | dodo: depending on the shell |
| 11:54.16 | superlinux | lethim join |
| 11:54.19 | Foobar | quitte: Ok, so the most secure thing one can do is get the host key from the machine directly with no network in between? |
| 11:54.30 | quitte | Foobar: yes |
| 11:54.38 | Foobar | superlinux,quitte: thanks |
| 11:54.40 | dodo | ok thx .. will check with #bash in i case ... i try to send all kill signals to a process i can't kill |
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| 11:54.55 | quitte | Foobar: or some other ways of authentication. a signature for example |
| 11:55.05 | superlinux | Foobar, the arp will tell you the MAC o the machine |
| 11:55.15 | Foobar | quitte: How do you mean? |
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| 11:55.21 | Foobar | superlinux: What's arp? |
| 11:55.24 | Foobar | !arp |
| 11:55.24 | dpkg | arp is probably the address resolution protocol, which converts IP addresses to MAC addresses, or man 8 arp |
| 11:55.41 | Spliffster | dodo: YFI you might read up "man bash" on for loops |
| 11:55.57 | Spliffster | dodo: and use som sort of incrementing |
| 11:55.59 | superlinux | " for loops" |
| 11:56.02 | lord_rob | Hi ! I've switched to a debian kernel. What modules should i load in order to have acpi enabled on my thinkpad laptop ? |
| 11:56.10 | quitte | Foobar: if you know someone who you trust and that has access to the host key could sign it for you |
| 11:56.30 | Maulkin | lord_rob: ibm_acpi |
| 11:56.33 | Foobar | quitte: I see |
| 11:56.34 | superlinux | Foobar, it's like your ticket to a party |
| 11:56.41 | Maulkin | !thinkwiki |
| 11:56.51 | superlinux | as simple as that |
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| 11:57.09 | superlinux | think of things like that in everything related to computers |
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| 11:57.35 | quitte | superlinux: mac addresses can be faked |
| 11:57.39 | Maulkin | !thinkwiki is <reply>Lots of info on Thinkpads and Linux is available at http://www.thinkwiki.org |
| 11:57.39 | dpkg | okay, Maulkin |
| 11:57.41 | Foobar | superlinux: Can't MAC addresses be spoofed? |
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| 11:57.49 | superlinux | we they can |
| 11:57.53 | Foobar | Oh, quitte just said that :) |
| 11:58.00 | superlinux | well they can |
| 11:58.08 | superlinux | but at least you can know |
| 11:58.11 | Foobar | superlinux: Anything that can be spoofed is thus not a solution, but a hack. |
| 11:58.28 | superlinux | you asked that you wanna be sure! |
| 11:58.28 | Spliffster | Foobar: use snailmail ? :P |
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| 11:59.20 | quitte | superlinux: you gave no solution to be sure at all |
| 11:59.33 | superlinux | quitte, ok |
| 12:00.24 | superlinux | Foobar, quitte at least this will let you know of any messing around |
| 12:00.36 | quitte | also i dont think arp requests work for remote networks |
| 12:00.53 | quitte | superlinux: uhm no. how would it? |
| 12:01.22 | quitte | superlinux: unless you are lucky and notice there is something unusual. which seems rather unlikely to me |
| 12:01.22 | superlinux | the change in the mac address |
| 12:01.37 | blondie | superlinux: which is not detectable |
| 12:01.44 | quitte | superlinux: then you have to know what the mac address was in the first place |
| 12:01.55 | superlinux | yes |
| 12:02.01 | blondie | you can't tell if a mac address has been changed, unless it conflicts |
| 12:02.05 | superlinux | I don't wanna argue |
| 12:02.24 | superlinux | but for complete security taking the MAC is important |
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| 12:02.36 | quitte | no |
| 12:02.46 | superlinux | tayyeb khalas |
| 12:02.57 | quitte | is that klingon? |
| 12:03.08 | superlinux | arabic |
| 12:03.15 | Foobar | !snailmail |
| 12:03.15 | dpkg | methinks snailmail is like email, but on paper, and slow. oh, and you most always pay for it to. |
| 12:03.20 | superlinux | "that's it" |
| 12:03.29 | superlinux | I raised the ten! |
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| 12:05.00 | k31th | to remove every thing its apt-get remove --perge packagename ? |
| 12:05.01 | quitte | wtf. vdr: please turn off UTF-8 before starting VDR |
| 12:05.17 | azeem | k31th: --purge |
| 12:05.23 | k31th | doh |
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| 12:06.50 | cire | I want to have a bash script which reads out /dev/isdnctrl. How may I do this? |
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| 12:07.00 | superlinux | ....toot toot to beirut... |
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| 12:07.50 | superlinux | cire, you have to learn bash if you want it customized |
| 12:07.51 | ktwilight | i'm stuck at "Starting NFS common utilities: statd" I sure don't have any NFS. it used to boot but now it doesn't. i've searched and nothing. i'm thinking of booting busybox, but can't find a way for it. is there a way to boot into command line so i can disable statd in /etc/rc.d? |
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| 12:08.15 | superlinux | cire, read man bash |
| 12:08.22 | blondie | ktwilight: how long did you wait when it was stuck? |
| 12:08.25 | tux2007 | hello, i wish to format a floppy disk, but instructions that are written in sites i've found seems not working here... |
| 12:08.30 | ktwilight | seems forever blondie |
| 12:08.40 | ktwilight | wait, i don't quite get what you mean |
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| 12:08.51 | ktwilight | you mean how long i waited before that message appear? |
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| 12:08.54 | Duocore | hi |
| 12:08.56 | superlinux | tux2007, use mkdosfs /dev/fd0 |
| 12:09.00 | blondie | no, how long did you wait after it appeared |
| 12:09.02 | Duocore | anyone knows this ? : what is the equvalent prog in linux to Acive directory in MS windows |
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| 12:09.13 | superlinux | but you have to unmout the disk 1st |
| 12:09.19 | ktwilight | not long, all the boot process went normal (fast), until it got to that part and just got stuck |
| 12:09.27 | lord_rob | Hi again, I still can't see the battery level in KDE tray. I must activate "AC adaptor" and "Control method battery" in order it to work properly. What are the corresponding modules ? |
| 12:09.35 | blondie | how long? if you wait 5 minutes it might continue |
| 12:09.42 | tux2007 | superlinux, bash: mkdosfs: command not found |
| 12:09.47 | ktwilight | well, i've waited for over 30mins |
| 12:09.49 | Duocore | anyone knows this ? : what is the equvalent prog in linux to Acive directory in MS windows |
| 12:09.54 | tosh| | anyone know a decent mp3 streaming server over http that can recode the mp3s to a lower bitrate in realtime? I want something as light as possible, not install the whole tomcat suite |
| 12:09.57 | ktwilight | i've been searching for answers, and nothing, so i'm here. |
| 12:10.05 | Spliffster | tux2007: sudo apt-get install mkdosfs ? |
| 12:10.13 | blondie | Duocore: active directory isn't a program |
| 12:10.19 | dodo | i have a couple of df -h processes hanging with PPID 1 and a kill -9 will not work; any idee's ? |
| 12:10.25 | tux2007 | Spliffster, i'm in debian, not ubuntu |
| 12:10.26 | ktwilight | tosh, there'll be such a service by the end of the year ;) |
| 12:10.28 | Spliffster | tux2007: or it is located in /sbin or /usr/sbin where only root has access |
| 12:10.32 | blondie | Duocore: do you want an LDAP server? |
| 12:10.37 | MaRX-Mode | tosh|: gnump3d |
| 12:10.42 | MaRX-Mode | maybe ? |
| 12:10.43 | tux2007 | Spliffster, i'm already in root |
| 12:10.52 | Spliffster | tux2007: ubuntu uses the debina tool apt*, just for the record |
| 12:10.56 | tijn | !test |
| 12:10.56 | dpkg | Yes, tijn, you're still online. |
| 12:11.02 | Duocore | blondie: I am talking about the graphical front end.. i know linux has support to LDAP through openLDAP |
| 12:11.15 | tijn | phpldapadmin |
| 12:11.22 | ktwilight | blondie, any way to bypass statd? |
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| 12:11.30 | blondie | Duocore: what graphical frontend? |
| 12:11.33 | Duocore | I am asking about a program -graphical interface- that interface me with openldap |
| 12:11.39 | Spliffster | tux2007: if so .. if /sbin and /usr/asbin are not in your $PATH, then you need to install mkdosfs |
| 12:11.42 | tijn | Duocore phpldapadmin |
| 12:11.48 | superlinux | tux2007, this is it |
| 12:11.52 | superlinux | tux2007, mkfs.msdos |
| 12:11.58 | superlinux | do man mkfs.msdos |
| 12:12.07 | Duocore | tijn: this runs on apache server ? |
| 12:12.11 | tijn | yes |
| 12:12.20 | tijn | there are other tools |
| 12:12.23 | Duocore | anything that runs without apache |
| 12:12.29 | tijn | ok mom |
| 12:12.30 | superlinux | tux2007, at least it should be mkfs.msdos /dev/fd0 |
| 12:12.42 | Duocore | like something written in python.. c# with mono |
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| 12:12.57 | tux2007 | /dev/fd0: No such file or directory |
| 12:13.00 | tijn | Duocore: gq |
| 12:13.21 | Duocore | gq ? |
| 12:13.39 | tijn | gq - GTK-based LDAP client |
| 12:13.44 | bartden | hi, i have a problem with kde, i have set KDEWM="gnome-window-decorator" , but when i start kde it just freezes after a while, and in my console i can see it stop at,kwin: unable to claim manager selection, another wm running? (try using --replace) |
| 12:13.45 | superlinux | tux2007, use /dev/fd[press TAB] here |
| 12:13.45 | Duocore | cool |
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| 12:13.51 | tijn | apt-cache search for it |
| 12:13.57 | tijn | i havent really used it |
| 12:14.00 | Duocore | thanx alot |
| 12:14.04 | superlinux | press TAB twice |
| 12:14.25 | tux2007 | none |
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| 12:14.54 | azeem | tux2007: did you load the floppy module? |
| 12:15.56 | dudduts} | hello |
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| 12:16.03 | superlinux | tux2007, as root : modprobe floppy |
| 12:16.16 | superlinux | is't a usb device? |
| 12:16.17 | tux2007 | azeem, i thinked that it's loaded by default |
| 12:16.23 | Spliffster | bartden: try #kde |
| 12:16.32 | azeem | tux2007: we had another case where it wasn't last week |
| 12:16.32 | bartden | i did |
| 12:16.33 | bartden | :) |
| 12:16.39 | Spliffster | doh! |
| 12:16.59 | `Belial | sid recieves critical security updates, right? |
| 12:17.08 | `Belial | or is it just testing and sarge? |
| 12:17.09 | azeem | `Belial: no |
| 12:17.15 | tux2007 | oh thanks a lot |
| 12:19.21 | inetd | anyone know howto save tab information in gnome-terminal? |
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| 12:19.47 | felipefda | hello, |
| 12:19.56 | fwest | is there an offical forums? |
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| 12:21.01 | `Belial | just out of curiousity, how many are running sid? |
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| 12:26.43 | inetd | i need to know a way to open tabs in gnome-terminal automatically |
| 12:28.02 | Maulkin | inetd: man gnome-terminal |
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| 12:28.13 | Maulkin | fwest: No, we use mailing lists |
| 12:28.37 | fwest | i hate spam mail |
| 12:28.46 | fwest | much likely web forums |
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| 12:29.52 | Nought | still fighting with OOo, does anyone know how this can happen: http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/2286/fokfont7si.png |
| 12:29.56 | sit | hallo |
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| 12:32.48 | CrlMan | hello... i had bought some oem pci modem cards which seems to be a smartlink chipset... so i just want to know if this ones i need alsa driver? |
| 12:33.19 | CrlMan | * if with... |
| 12:33.35 | Nought | alsa is for sound, not modems |
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| 12:34.05 | CrlMan | they have a built-in speaker, but i'm asking because i'm trying to use it to recorde telephone calls. |
| 12:34.13 | Noboru | The newest lilo in debian which DOES need a /sbin/lilo after changes are made in lilo.conf ? |
| 12:34.16 | tarzeau | is there no supermount users here? |
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| 12:34.42 | tarzeau | Nought: got the fonts fixed already? |
| 12:34.53 | sit | hello |
| 12:35.02 | azeem | Noboru: was that a question? |
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| 12:35.14 | sit | no an test |
| 12:35.16 | CrlMan | Nought, some drivers provided for alsa are to modems too... |
| 12:35.17 | Noboru | azeem, yeah |
| 12:35.26 | Nought | tarzeau > http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/2286/fokfont7si.png |
| 12:35.33 | azeem | are you asking whether you stil need to run lilo after changing lilo.conf? |
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| 12:35.41 | Noboru | azeem, I mean we still need to run /sbin/lilo after we make changes in lilo in the newest lilo in sarge ? |
| 12:35.43 | tarzeau | Nought: yes i've seen it |
| 12:35.50 | tarzeau | Nought: which ooo version is that? stable or sid? |
| 12:35.51 | Noboru | azeem, yes |
| 12:35.53 | Nought | it drives me nuts...been looking at libxrender, but that seems to work ok |
| 12:35.54 | azeem | Noboru: I guess so, unless lilo got rewritten |
| 12:36.00 | Nought | testing |
| 12:36.02 | Noboru | I see. |
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| 12:36.21 | azeem | Noboru: if you are bored by this, use Grub |
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| 12:36.29 | Noboru | i cannot |
| 12:36.30 | Nought | I just don't see why OOo renders differently from everything else |
| 12:36.42 | Noboru | It says you gotta use lilo with XFS |
| 12:36.57 | Noboru | i have tried Grub by ignoring that warning however i couldn't boot. |
| 12:36.57 | azeem | Noboru: you don't have a seperate /boot partition maybe? |
| 12:37.10 | Noboru | no,i didn't |
| 12:37.28 | azeem | well, you're stuck with lilo then I guess |
| 12:37.48 | Noboru | You mean that /boot is needed to run lilo on XFS ? |
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| 12:38.37 | azeem | no |
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| 12:38.46 | azeem | Noboru: do you have issues with lilo? |
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| 12:39.08 | Noboru | hmm |
| 12:39.28 | Nought | CrlMan > I see you're right, I nerver worked with modems... |
| 12:39.40 | Noboru | I mean,when install sarge if you use XFS,it suggests you to not use grub but lilo instead,oops |
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| 12:39.51 | azeem | Noboru: yes |
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| 12:39.58 | Noboru | So i did select grub,but then,it couldn't boot :( |
| 12:40.03 | CrlMan | Tks a lot... someone can help-me? |
| 12:40.06 | azeem | Noboru: well, use lilo then |
| 12:40.19 | DonLemmi | Hi, i have an issue with etch. It seems like on several fresh installed systems, autofs does not start even though it is in the right runlevel. Anyone has any ideas why? |
| 12:40.20 | Noboru | Okay,sorry for making wrong question from me |
| 12:40.24 | Noboru | haha:) |
| 12:40.55 | sciboy | Okey guys, i got a SATA HD full of most likely windows and porn, so i need to move what i can onto the second IDE HD so i can start installing Debian on the SATA. Now here's the main problem, it's an NTFS filesystem. =| |
| 12:41.02 | azeem | as I said, the alternative is to have a small ext2 /boot partition with your kernels on, then you can boot with grub |
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| 12:41.17 | sciboy | GParted cannot shrink it so as to make it reasonable for me to move it to the other disk. |
| 12:41.24 | azeem | sciboy: reading NTFS is OK |
| 12:41.28 | azeem | !ntfs |
| 12:41.28 | dpkg | ntfs is, like, Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
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| 12:41.38 | CompWizrd | i'm waiting for debian to package mbr under amd64, so one can use lilo without having to manually compile mbr yourself :) |
| 12:41.44 | Noboru | azeem, I see,this time i just made all in XFS as /boot and the rest go for / |
| 12:41.59 | Noboru | 128MB for /boot |
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| 12:42.16 | azeem | there's no good reason to use XFS on such a small partitin |
| 12:43.05 | superlinux | azeem, I tested XFS on a live system |
| 12:43.07 | ktwilight | true |
| 12:43.17 | superlinux | it's not good |
| 12:43.24 | superlinux | ext3 is best |
| 12:43.26 | ktwilight | it doesnt' use its purpose |
| 12:43.40 | ktwilight | but i also don't quite see the point in /boot partition. |
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| 12:44.02 | sciboy | Hmmm, i think i can survive with 100gig until my friend takes his porn away. |
| 12:44.22 | RvGaTe | http://www.plaxo.be/ <-- all you need to know about monkey's |
| 12:44.28 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.42 | superlinux | or else grub cant boot the system |
| 12:44.50 | CompWizrd | ktwilight: /boot is quite handy when you have a 3.8TB partition and you can't boot off that :) |
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| 12:45.53 | ktwilight | ... |
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| 12:46.01 | ktwilight | but can't ya just have a bootable / ? |
| 12:46.14 | ktwilight | partition the rest as /var /home /usr /tmp ... |
| 12:46.25 | CompWizrd | ran out of room in the case.. 15 x 300 gig drives.. i had to put a CF to IDE adapter in the back, and then a 16 meg CF card in |
| 12:46.30 | ktwilight | or is /boot necessary for multi-os? |
| 12:46.44 | ivan_w | ktwilight: There is no guarantee the BIOS will be able to access the kernel on such a large partition |
| 12:46.46 | CompWizrd | and i had to use a GPT parittion table, which my lilo/grub can't boot from |
| 12:46.46 | Spliffster | ktwilight: a /boot partition is sometimes needed if the / partition is at the end of a large disk, lilo and maybe grub have problems on some disks to read more than the first 1024 blocks |
| 12:46.48 | superlinux | ktwilight, if you wanna dual boot with windows you won't be able to boot smoothly |
| 12:46.55 | ktwilight | i can't boot off boote linux... :/ |
| 12:47.13 | ktwilight | aha... |
| 12:47.16 | Spliffster | ktwilight: this might not be the case of modern x86 hardware anymore, but it used to be a problem |
| 12:47.24 | superlinux | why don't you take a recipe that always works from me? |
| 12:47.31 | ktwilight | hmm...now i get it |
| 12:47.37 | ktwilight | :) |
| 12:47.43 | CompWizrd | Spliffster: still applicable in some cases, even on this amd64 machine |
| 12:47.48 | blondie | superlinux: have you got a recipe for banana bread? |
| 12:47.52 | CompWizrd | i've heard grub2 can handle booting off gpt |
| 12:47.55 | Spliffster | CompWizrd: ty for the info |
| 12:48.10 | ktwilight | anyone knows any other linux distro that works on floppy? other than bootE |
| 12:48.15 | CompWizrd | once we hit 2 TB drives as being common, booting is going to be a problem with lilo/grub |
| 12:48.23 | superlinux | blondie, why not Managheesh!? |
| 12:48.30 | blondie | superlinux: what is that? |
| 12:48.38 | ktwilight | does that problem come when you have an NFS? |
| 12:49.04 | CompWizrd | reading a filesystem over 2 TB is just fine over the network |
| 12:49.10 | CompWizrd | actually, should be.. i should try it |
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| 12:49.30 | superlinux | it's bread baked with a mix of thym and olive oil mix on top |
| 12:49.33 | pipeline | CompWizrd: ok, so in approximately two decades, we won't be using two decade-old bootloaders? :P |
| 12:49.53 | superlinux | but hit with finger tips |
| 12:49.57 | ktwilight | hm... |
| 12:50.06 | ktwilight | i wonder how enterprise use NFS then... |
| 12:50.21 | ktwilight | if lilo/grub have limitations in large number of hdds/partitions |
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| 12:50.40 | Elbac | hi |
| 12:50.43 | superlinux | so you find dots of your finger tips before baking else it will be a normal bread |
| 12:50.43 | ivan_w | ktwilight: what's the connection between NFS and grub/lilo ? |
| 12:50.55 | ktwilight | i have absolutely no idea..... |
| 12:51.18 | ktwilight | i was just saying when CompWizrd made that comment |
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| 12:51.27 | superlinux | blondie, got it? |
| 12:51.32 | Spliffster | ktwilight: about linux off a floppy: you might check ltsp.org (Terminal server) or check DSL (damn small linux, i use it off a usb stick -... it's 50 M and fits on a 3.5' CD) |
| 12:51.40 | superlinux | try it at home |
| 12:51.58 | superlinux | ask lebanse about it |
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| 12:52.48 | drzed | hi there! |
| 12:52.49 | ivan_w | ktwilight: well. you were the one who started making comments about NFS right ? I just fail to see how that connects to any booting issue.. (just wondering).. |
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| 12:53.44 | drzed | how do i fix the permission of the usb-ports so that i can use gphoto2 /digicam? |
| 12:54.00 | drzed | is there an automated way of doing this? |
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| 12:55.22 | ktwilight | thanks Spliffster |
| 12:55.53 | ktwilight | nevermind 'bout it ivan_w :/ |
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| 12:56.17 | ivan_w | ktwilight: Ok :) |
| 12:56.39 | drzed | (i |
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| 12:56.58 | drzed | (i'm refering to this http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/permissions-usb.html setup ) |
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| 12:58.32 | sit_ | h |
| 12:58.56 | Noboru | gnu.org should be a famous and important site for open-source world right ? |
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| 12:59.12 | Noboru | so i just found that gnu.org runs on debian ,interesting. |
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| 12:59.24 | sit_ | h |
| 12:59.38 | marco13185 | Is the Gnome package broken in unstable? |
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| 13:01.05 | Spliffster | X11 geeks i have a question for you: is it possible to "detach" an X programm from an X-server and re-attach it to anothe x-server (without interupting the program) ? |
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| 13:02.14 | marco13185 | !gnome |
| 13:02.14 | dpkg | [gnome] a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 13:02.17 | azeem | Spliffster: no, not in general |
| 13:02.17 | Mr_Molez | when i do irssi it shows my domain as something otherthan i want it to use, is there a way to change the default domain at system level so things like irssi will be forced to use it ? |
| 13:02.40 | Maulkin | Mr_Molez: That domain is set by your ISP |
| 13:02.44 | Spliffster | azeem: and in specific cases ? :) |
| 13:02.53 | Mr_Molez | Maulkin: ok thanks |
| 13:02.58 | azeem | Spliffster: I am not aware of any |
| 13:03.07 | azeem | but maybe there are some |
| 13:03.09 | Spliffster | azeem: ok |
| 13:03.15 | drzed | ok found ab bug report on this issue http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341865 |
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| 13:03.25 | drzed | which hasn't been fix for too long |
| 13:03.47 | Spliffster | azeem: i tought of doing this with "screen" but i don't seem to find a way to stop the x programm to send data to the x-server where it was pointed to |
| 13:03.56 | azeem | right |
| 13:04.18 | azeem | Keith Packard said at debconf that they're working on maybe making this possible in the mid-term future |
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| 13:04.37 | renewbie | hi, I want to enable an ordinary user to access a nfs share, but the problem is that the username has different uid/gid on both the machines |
| 13:04.49 | renewbie | How can I workaround this prob? |
| 13:04.52 | marco13185 | !xlibs |
| 13:04.58 | Spliffster | azeem: which software packages would be involved ... do you remeber ? |
| 13:05.15 | azeem | X |
| 13:05.19 | Spliffster | heh |
| 13:05.28 | Spliffster | azeem: ok i see. thank you. |
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| 13:06.11 | lunitik | azeem: you ever sleep? lol |
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| 13:06.27 | Spliffster | azeem is a bot ;) |
| 13:06.39 | lunitik | !talk |
| 13:06.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, talk is cheap because supply always exceeds demand. |
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| 13:06.52 | marco13185 | Are they planning on fixing xlibs soon, it has no installation files |
| 13:07.06 | lunitik | Keith is working on Debians X? |
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| 13:07.22 | marco13185 | lunitik, are you talking to me? |
| 13:07.30 | lunitik | Or he just showed up at DebConf? I heard he was going for DD status |
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| 13:07.47 | lunitik | marco13185: no one in particular... hence no usename at the beginning of my lines |
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| 13:08.30 | azeem | lunitik: no, Keith is working on X |
| 13:08.38 | marco13185 | ah, because until X libs is fixed, I can't install gnome :( |
| 13:08.40 | azeem | he's a DD now I think |
| 13:08.58 | lunitik | azeem: I knew that... why'd he get DD status if he didn't want to work w/ X Strike Force though? |
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| 13:09.47 | azeem | maybe he thought the X packages are too involved/messy |
| 13:09.59 | azeem | now that they're all split up, he might maintain a couple of them, dunno |
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| 13:10.24 | lunitik | azeem: would be nice... afaik he's like THE X guy in the community right now... |
| 13:10.39 | azeem | he uploaded freetype a couple of days ago, or got it sponsored |
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| 13:10.40 | lunitik | Can't hurt to have him maintaining Debian's X |
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| 13:17.31 | abrotman | !moo |
| 13:17.31 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 13:17.48 | RvGaTe | pff |
| 13:18.15 | Spliffster | this dpkg has "super cow power"! |
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| 13:18.44 | sciboy | ... Error loading operating system. |
| 13:18.49 | sciboy | Oh that's a delight. |
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| 13:19.20 | Spliffster | can anybody enlighten me waht "Mode #debian +l 825 by debhelper" means ? |
| 13:19.40 | superlinux | I have a problem in my sound device |
| 13:19.40 | js_ | Spliffster: it limits the channel to 825 people |
| 13:19.52 | Spliffster | js_: aaaha. ty |
| 13:19.54 | superlinux | I don't have /dev/dsp |
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| 13:20.00 | js_ | Spliffster: when incremented like that it prevents join floods |
| 13:20.02 | superlinux | I don't have /dev/dsp what should I do? |
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| 13:20.42 | stark | hey guys, i was looking at /etc/fstab file and it says if your boot is using reiserfs, add the notail option to opts? what does that mean? |
| 13:20.42 | Spliffster | superlinux: got to the sore of your choice and buy one ? ... j/k |
| 13:21.15 | Spliffster | superlinux: this possibly means, you don't have a sound card, the sound card is not propperly installed, you are not usinf ALSA. |
| 13:21.27 | abrotman | Spliffster: see freenode.net for a list of channel/user modes |
| 13:21.44 | abrotman | superlinux: load the alsa/oss compatibility modules |
| 13:22.01 | Spliffster | abrotman: ty |
| 13:22.06 | abrotman | stark: it means to add the notail option to your options :) |
| 13:22.15 | Spliffster | heh |
| 13:22.18 | stark | ok whats the "opts" bit? |
| 13:22.23 | stark | i read the man mount |
| 13:22.23 | sciboy | Guys, is there any issues regarding booting off SATA drives and GRUB? |
| 13:22.38 | js_ | sciboy: no |
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| 13:22.50 | Noboru | I don't find where in sarge installation there let you select kernel to install |
| 13:22.58 | abrotman | stark: is there a notail option in man mount ? |
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| 13:23.02 | Noboru | It was a 2.6.x,this time is 2.4 |
| 13:23.05 | sciboy | My bios seems to be giving me a "No way buster" on booting grub. |
| 13:23.07 | abrotman | Noboru: when you start it .. type linux26 |
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| 13:23.28 | Noboru | abauer, but i do remember i didnt have to do that and i got 2.6 |
| 13:23.32 | Noboru | oops |
| 13:23.37 | Noboru | abrotman, :) |
| 13:23.48 | abrotman | poor abauer |
| 13:24.06 | abrotman | Noboru: if you've used the unofficial pure64/amd64 installer before .. there was no 2.4 option |
| 13:24.07 | surlaw-away | Hi, anyone got some time to help me setup my wifi with debian sarge ? i got the drivers working and all , but i still can't connect to the net... dont know what to do anymore :/ |
| 13:24.33 | abrotman | Noboru: also .. there are other unofficial installers that don't have a 2.4 either |
| 13:24.43 | tarzeau | azeem: i've got a2ps -B -o text.ps text now, but i don't get how to make it one page on one sheed and without this ugly border |
| 13:24.54 | Noboru | abrotman, It is debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.ISO |
| 13:25.01 | Spliffster | surlaw: have you installed the laptop tools (like iwconfig) ? |
| 13:25.04 | azeem | tarzeau: maybe a2ps is the wrong tool for this |
| 13:25.14 | tarzeau | azeem: any suggestions? |
| 13:25.15 | sciboy | Hmmm, i think i'm an idiot. One sec. |
| 13:25.19 | azeem | nope :-/ |
| 13:25.23 | abrotman | Noboru: that shuld have 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 13:25.29 | DonLemmi | Is there a special channel for testing/etch? |
| 13:25.30 | Noboru | oh |
| 13:25.32 | Spliffster | surlaw: iwconfig is used to configure wpa, essid and the other wifi specific nic options |
| 13:25.36 | azeem | DonLemmi: no |
| 13:25.43 | Noboru | abrotman, I see. |
| 13:25.46 | renewbie | Is it ok if I change uid/gid of a user to something below 1000? |
| 13:25.55 | Nought | OOo terrible font rendering seems to be related to lousy hinting by libvcl, it just seems not everyone is affected |
| 13:25.59 | DonLemmi | if you need wpa, you will have to install wpa_supplicant |
| 13:26.03 | renewbie | does debian have any probs with that? |
| 13:26.14 | sciboy | Guys, i'm using an AMD Athlon 64, am i suppose to use the usual testing Debian installer with this? |
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| 13:26.20 | Tassium | renewbie: You mean just editing /etc/passwd and such? |
| 13:26.21 | sciboy | Or am i suppose to use a port of some sort. |
| 13:26.37 | renewbie | Tassium: yes |
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| 13:27.27 | Tassium | renewbie: First thing off the top of my head is, if you do that, won't the files owned by that user no longer be owned? |
| 13:28.00 | DonLemmi | Ok, i have a Problem with etch. I have installed it and configured autofs. If i manually start it, it works fine. But after a reboot autofs does not start even though the exists a link S19autofs in the startet runlevel-directory. Does anyone here has an idea why? |
| 13:28.00 | NetBandit | hi there |
| 13:28.01 | NetBandit | how can i know what date a file was created? |
| 13:28.18 | renewbie | Tassium: Yes, they won't be owned anymore by that user but I will chown them all to this new user.. |
| 13:28.19 | Tassium | NetBandit: there's a switch to ls |
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| 13:28.33 | tarzeau | NetBandit: stat file |
| 13:28.44 | tarzeau | NetBandit: but there's no real birthdates on files |
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| 13:28.49 | renewbie | Tassium: I mean, I will chown them to same user again and see if that works.. |
| 13:28.52 | Tassium | tarzeau: Oooh, I didn't know about that one.. Thanks. |
| 13:28.53 | tarzeau | NetBandit: and cp is without -p by default |
| 13:28.58 | NetBandit | tarzeau: okay, thanks |
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| 13:29.38 | fusibou | I installed ndiswrapper and network manager with the gnome applet on two thinkpads; one shows both wireless and wired connections; the other never shows the wired connection even though the wired connection is working. |
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| 13:30.12 | fusibou | both are running Debian Unstable with the 2.6.16 kernel and are up-to-date |
| 13:30.12 | surlaw | Spliffster: sorry got a prob, well I installed evrything of course and coonfigured all the parameters of iwconfig but still can't connect :/ |
| 13:30.46 | NetBandit | tarzeau: I can try this one, too -> ls -l | awk '{print $6}' |
| 13:30.48 | Spliffster | surlaw: do you have multiple nics and maybe wrong routing settings ? |
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| 13:31.01 | Tassium | surlaw: Are you sure you're in range? It'd suck to beat your head against the linux wall and have a physical issue. |
| 13:31.04 | Spliffster | surlaw: or a firewall blocking that nic ? |
| 13:31.05 | fusibou | anyone have a hint on how to get the wired connection to show up in the second thinkpad? stopping and restarting networking makes no difference |
| 13:31.09 | tarzeau | NetBandit: no |
| 13:31.16 | NetBandit | why? |
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| 13:31.27 | tarzeau | NetBandit: gives me only abbreviated month names |
| 13:31.42 | tarzeau | NetBandit: some people rape ls |
| 13:31.47 | tarzeau | NetBandit: locales rape ls too |
| 13:32.20 | NetBandit | tarzeau: can you show me the exactly switch to ls? |
| 13:32.21 | surlaw | Spliffster: i dont have any firewall, and i did set up a route with a default gateway |
| 13:32.38 | skip | does anybody here own a Tecra A6 or A7? |
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| 13:32.50 | Spliffster | surlaw: hmmm sorry. did you ask mr. Google already ? |
| 13:32.51 | tarzeau | NetBandit: nei |
| 13:33.08 | NetBandit | tarzeau: so I have to read man ls? |
| 13:33.16 | Tassium | NetBandit: That'd be a good idea |
| 13:33.19 | DonLemmi | surlaw, what does iwconfig say about the link quality? |
| 13:34.43 | NetBandit | Tassium: I did that theres nothing there about file creation date |
| 13:34.52 | NetBandit | hm... |
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| 13:35.19 | marco13185 | I can't get the right settings in fstab to let my user access my NTFS partition, anyone know them? |
| 13:35.32 | surlaw | Spliffster i saked google, irc chanels , and forums a thousand times alrdy these past days :((( |
| 13:35.36 | surlaw | asked* |
| 13:36.12 | onetinsoldier | marco13185: i might be able to help with that |
| 13:36.40 | Spliffster | surlaw: i am owning a laptop with an ipw2200 card and it worked after loading the kernel moduels and configuring it with the laptop tools. unfortunately i have no knowledge with other cards |
| 13:36.48 | marco13185 | onetinsoldier, I found the problem, I forgot the put the second 0 after the options |
| 13:37.13 | onetinsoldier | marco13185: ok, you need to set an option for the umask too |
| 13:37.20 | onetinsoldier | you know what it is? |
| 13:37.20 | DonLemmi | surlaw, what does iwconfig say about the link quality? |
| 13:37.36 | marco13185 | onetinsoldier, I don't want read/write access |
| 13:37.37 | marco13185 | just read |
| 13:37.40 | marco13185 | I already did it |
| 13:37.44 | onetinsoldier | ok... cool |
| 13:37.48 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
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| 13:38.49 | K|NgGh0sT | argh, now I remember why I hate ubuntu |
| 13:39.03 | Tassium | marco13185: Check the uid/gid/umask options. (man mount, then scroll down to Options for NTFS) |
| 13:39.10 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: wrong channel .. go whine in #ubuntu |
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| 13:39.18 | K|NgGh0sT | no I am in the right channel |
| 13:39.28 | marco13185 | onetinsoldier, it just stopped working, I'm gonna have to do the umask options |
| 13:39.29 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm trying to get REAL debian installed |
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| 13:39.56 | NetBandit | hm.. there's nothing in man ls |
| 13:40.07 | NetBandit | I try to figure out -> how can i know what date a file was created? |
| 13:40.09 | onetinsoldier | marco13185: here's what i have mine like, as an example... /dev/hda1 /media/WinXPC ntfs noatime,user,noauto,umask=0022 0 0 |
| 13:40.27 | surlaw | DonLemmi: link quality 100/100 |
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| 13:40.43 | abrotman | NetBandit: if stat won't tell you .. i don't think anything will |
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| 13:40.48 | Spliffster | K|NgGh0sT: what's bad about ubuntu ? it's really one of the easiest to install desktop linux distros ... after years of manually compiling and configuring i really like the time and hadaces ubuntu saves me on the desktop machines. |
| 13:41.07 | abrotman | you .. compiled stuff? |
| 13:41.09 | marco13185 | onetinsoldier, what does noatime do? |
| 13:41.10 | NetBandit | abrotman: okay |
| 13:41.13 | abrotman | for a .. desktop ? |
| 13:41.13 | azeem | Spliffster: please discuss this elsewhere |
| 13:41.20 | Spliffster | abrotman: is it called like that ? |
| 13:41.43 | K|NgGh0sT | My only gripe about debian is that it hates my sata :( |
| 13:41.49 | Spliffster | abrotman: ever installed dbmdj ? |
| 13:41.57 | Spliffster | s/dpmdj/bpmdj/ |
| 13:42.02 | jbernard | marco13185: it prevents the fs from recording access times |
| 13:42.13 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: are you in need of help? |
| 13:42.27 | onetinsoldier | marco13185: for a user to be able to mount it, i believe you must set the umask to 0022. i have noatime set on all my partition mounts. it tells the kernel/filesystem that i do not want files to be updated with a timestamp every time a file is read by a process |
| 13:42.28 | azeem | if so, I suggest you ask specific questions and/or report more details |
| 13:42.33 | K|NgGh0sT | azeem, I'm trying to figure out the right way to ask the question |
| 13:42.45 | Noboru | i apt-get install kernel-image,it tries to fetch files from security.debian.org ,is there a way to get file from a fast site anyway ? |
| 13:42.53 | Tassium | onetinsoldier: No, for a user to mount it you set the "user" option. |
| 13:42.54 | DonLemmi | surlaw, what encryption do you use? |
| 13:42.56 | azeem | Noboru: not really |
| 13:43.04 | K|NgGh0sT | How do I go about installing Deb on a Asus Z71V, using SATA |
| 13:43.05 | abrotman | Noboru: that's where they have to come from .. they're security updated package |
| 13:43.05 | K|NgGh0sT | heh |
| 13:43.07 | abrotman | packages |
| 13:43.10 | azeem | Noboru: you could scan for mirrors, there are some unofficial ones |
| 13:43.18 | azeem | Noboru: but better double-check the md5sums then |
| 13:43.20 | Noboru | I see |
| 13:43.21 | K|NgGh0sT | Since sarge and etch netinst both have issues |
| 13:43.28 | onetinsoldier | Tassium: that does not do the job for the ntfs filesystem.. try it. |
| 13:43.33 | Noboru | So i would stick with the offical site |
| 13:43.36 | azeem | K|NgGh0sT: is this an amd64? |
| 13:43.46 | K|NgGh0sT | Nope, Pentium M |
| 13:44.32 | onetinsoldier | Tassium: unless you set the umask to 0022 for the ntfs filesystem, every time the ntfs partition is mounted, the mount point becomes r/w for rot only |
| 13:44.44 | onetinsoldier | s/rot/soot |
| 13:44.47 | onetinsoldier | arrrgh |
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| 13:44.48 | onetinsoldier | *root |
| 13:44.53 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: which sata controller ? |
| 13:44.55 | marco13185 | writing to NTFS partitions is dangerous to begin with |
| 13:44.57 | Tassium | onetinsoldier: That doesn't prevent the mount though. |
| 13:45.04 | marco13185 | I set mine to read-only |
| 13:45.07 | surlaw | DonLemmi: Wep 64bit key |
| 13:45.15 | blondie | abrotman: 15 dollah |
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| 13:45.21 | k31th | lmao 64bit |
| 13:45.46 | abrotman | blondie: you love me long time? |
| 13:45.46 | marco13185 | Life lesson: Never play music when you haven't used alsamixer yet |
| 13:45.57 | DonLemmi | surlaw, do you have the hex representation of your key? |
| 13:46.05 | surlaw | why should i care =) theres noone around my house to get my network ^_^ im kinda isolated |
| 13:46.20 | surlaw | DonLemmi: yes i did the iwconfig wlan0 key mykey |
| 13:46.24 | abrotman | so why use WEP at all ? |
| 13:46.43 | onetinsoldier | Tasium: hmmm, well i suppose that's true, my bad |
| 13:46.45 | surlaw | abrotman dunno i followed a guide when i installed my freebox that said to put one ^^ |
| 13:46.58 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 13:47.00 | surlaw | but i think i dont really need it :p |
| 13:47.01 | DonLemmi | do you assign ips manually or via DHCP? |
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| 13:47.23 | onetinsoldier | Tasium: i should have put it that in order for a regular user to be 'able to access' it, uyou have to set the umask |
| 13:47.26 | surlaw | DonLemmi: manually =) i told my freebox to accept 192.168.0.100->192.168.0.110 |
| 13:47.30 | surlaw | Debian is 192.168.0.103 |
| 13:47.50 | DonLemmi | but you cant ping the freebox? |
| 13:48.13 | marco13185 | the Gentoo wiki is really useful, even though I'm not using Gentoo |
| 13:48.37 | surlaw | DonLemmi: yes thats the probleme i can't ping 192.168.0.254 wich is the freebox |
| 13:48.45 | surlaw | i get Host unreachable |
| 13:49.05 | DonLemmi | Thats weird, seems like you entered the wep-key wrong |
| 13:49.31 | surlaw | i did it several time and its juste like 10 hex to enter :/ |
| 13:49.47 | DonLemmi | did you prepend the 0x? |
| 13:49.51 | surlaw | i enter it as open, or is it restricted ? |
| 13:50.06 | DonLemmi | I guess open |
| 13:50.17 | DonLemmi | what about the kex-index? |
| 13:50.17 | surlaw | prepend 0x ? u lost me =) |
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| 13:50.27 | giacus | hello |
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| 13:50.48 | onetinsoldier | hi |
| 13:50.52 | DonLemmi | there are two things you can try. First is => iwconfig wlan0 essid XXX enc 0xYOURKEY |
| 13:51.05 | alt_nick | Hrm, my (only) NIC gets set up as eth0 according to dmesg; but still only works as eth1. Any idea what could be happening? |
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| 13:51.14 | giacus | I just installed mplayer in Debian testing adding the multimedia deb, but cant get mozilla-mplayer plugin working, any idea ? |
| 13:51.26 | tarzeau | giacus: it's not supported by debian |
| 13:51.50 | blondie | abrotman: yeah |
| 13:51.50 | giacus | waht video player then ? |
| 13:52.08 | DonLemmi | surlaw, if that does not work you should look if the wep-key you set up uses a different index. There are 4 WEP-Key indices 1-4. |
| 13:52.40 | abrotman | blondie: i'm skeptical |
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| 13:52.44 | surlaw | DonLemmi: i get invalid argument if i enter 0xmykey instead of just mykey |
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| 13:52.48 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, I dont know |
| 13:52.50 | tarzeau | giacus: i use mplayer.. |
| 13:53.01 | tarzeau | giacus: but i don't use firefox/mozilla |
| 13:53.04 | abrotman | giacus: make sure you read the docs for mozilla-mplayer |
| 13:53.11 | DonLemmi | surlaw, wait a sec |
| 13:53.15 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: be a good thing to know |
| 13:53.16 | giacus | ok, thanks |
| 13:53.25 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, Intel something or other lemme see if I can find it |
| 13:53.38 | surlaw | DonLemmi: also when i type iwconfig wlan0 essid FREEBOX, it doens tchange anything, is that a bug or somth ? |
| 13:53.43 | surlaw | doesn't* |
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| 13:54.03 | tarzeau | does he want the mplayer-plugin? |
| 13:54.07 | DonLemmi | Hmm, ok, the 0x thing seems to be wrong |
| 13:54.19 | DonLemmi | That must have changed from older days |
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| 13:54.39 | K|NgGh0sT | intel 82801FBM |
| 13:54.48 | surlaw | DonLemmi: eheh :p the weird thing is i can't change the essid in mode Mnaged, i have to set mode ad-hoc to be able to change the essid name |
| 13:55.02 | Spliffster | strange |
| 13:55.15 | DonLemmi | Thats definately a problem |
| 13:55.32 | DonLemmi | That you dont get your AP in AdHoc-mode is clear |
| 13:55.36 | caracal | so is support for matrox video cards just broken under xorg in etch? i did a dpkg-reconfigure, and it wanted to change the driver from "mga" to "dri-old.mga" ... which was encouraging, cuz it was a change, but that leads to an error message "Module dri-old.mga does not have a dri-oldModuleData data object." |
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| 13:55.46 | DonLemmi | surlaw, may i querry? |
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| 13:56.24 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, Intel 82801FBM SATA Controller |
| 13:56.29 | surlaw | DonLemmi: also, after i put ad-hox mode, the essid FREEBOX, and the key, then iwlist find my network, and says my AP is in Mode ad-hoc, shouldnt it be Mode Master for an AP ? |
| 13:56.29 | caracal | i found a guy on the debian mailing lists who was reporting the same symptoms i'm seeing, with a G550, and he had to fall back to xorg 6.8.2 ... is this the only solution? is this going to be fixed soon? does anybody have any idea wtf i'm talking about? <g> |
| 13:56.45 | surlaw | DonLemmi: sure =) |
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| 13:57.40 | abrotman | !tell K|NgGh0sT about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 13:58.56 | blondie | abrotman: I'm hurt |
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| 13:59.04 | abrotman | blondie: am i too big? |
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| 13:59.13 | blondie | I don't know? |
| 13:59.15 | DonLemmi | The freebox definitely should run in manged mode |
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| 13:59.58 | DonLemmi | surlaw, i cant querry, please come #flood |
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| 14:01.00 | caracal | sigh ... i guess the matrox g4xx/g5xx cards are just too old to be supported properly any more ... it's all nvidia and ati now ... also, the changelog is missing on stable for lynx and firefox ... sloppy, sloppy |
| 14:01.31 | caracal | the old hardasses must be retiring <grin> |
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| 14:04.04 | caracal | oho, one *cannot* fall back to xfree86 in etch any more ... the xfree packages are all just transition packages that depend on xorg |
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| 14:04.33 | caracal | so i guess i refresh my memory on apt pinning and try to install xorg 6.8.2 from stable, instead |
| 14:04.50 | caracal | or whatever stable is using at the moment |
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| 14:06.23 | jair | hello guys, I wonder if anyone here have experience using Debian Sarge stable with a SAN disk array? from the equollogic company. |
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| 14:07.15 | caracal | oh gack, stable doesn't use xorg, it's still on xfree86 ... i knew that, i just forgot |
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| 14:07.29 | caracal | which i guess makes the crossover simpler in a way |
| 14:07.45 | RvGaTe | when i install debian with gnome... does it support dual screen ? |
| 14:07.48 | marco13185 | where can I get older versions of packages (libasound2)? |
| 14:07.55 | marco13185 | I'm on Sid |
| 14:08.22 | jair | anyone use external number of hard drives in array? like the popular san? |
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| 14:08.55 | caracal | marco: you could try reading the sections in the debian FAQ on "apt pinning", which allows you to pull packages from testing or stable, or even older releases |
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| 14:09.23 | marco13185 | hmm, for some reason I get an error whenever I try to play alsa sound with xmms |
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| 14:09.28 | marco13185 | but only if I do it as user |
| 14:09.32 | marco13185 | root can do it fine |
| 14:09.52 | caracal | device permissions, most likely on /dev/dsp (or whatever alsa uses) |
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| 14:10.05 | marco13185 | caracal, and how do I change the device permissions... |
| 14:10.07 | sk4nK | I'm trying to set up a mail server to use Maildir, I'm using postfix and courier-imap(-ssl), the only difference to standard (and the bit thats causing trouble) is my Maildir folder is ~/.Maildir (i.e hidden) Everything works except the imap conenction. but i cant find in the config where to change the folder. |
| 14:10.16 | sk4nK | can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 14:10.29 | caracal | marco: you shouldn't change the device permissions, you should add your user (using the adduser command) to group "audio" |
| 14:10.33 | fusibou | iRvGaTe are you using Xinerama? |
| 14:10.55 | RvGaTe | fusibou: just want to know if its possible |
| 14:10.59 | marco13185 | caracal, I am in the audio group |
| 14:11.07 | RvGaTe | fusibou: and if so, with what |
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| 14:11.46 | Plouj | what's the xorg package in debian? |
| 14:11.51 | caracal | marco: then is /dev/dsp set to "-rw-rw---- root:audio" |
| 14:11.53 | fusibou | RvGaTe I've done it in the past but not lately. You have to configure your Xorg/Xfree with a second monitor then set up the screens section in the bottom of the config file. |
| 14:11.58 | caracal | plouj: xserver-xorg |
| 14:12.02 | marco13185 | caracal, how do I check this? |
| 14:12.04 | Plouj | I thought that installing fluxbox would pull xorg as a dependency, but no.... |
| 14:12.07 | marco13185 | I forget the options for ls caracal |
| 14:12.12 | caracal | marco: do "ls -l /dev/dsp" |
| 14:12.39 | Plouj | apt-cache search xorg returns nothing |
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| 14:12.45 | marco13185 | caracal, crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-05-31 09:54 /dev/dsp |
| 14:12.54 | caracal | plouj: try installing a window manager |
| 14:12.57 | marco13185 | Plouj, are you running stable |
| 14:13.05 | Plouj | caracal: I installed fluxbox |
| 14:13.08 | caracal | marco: and "id" shows that you are in group "audio", eh? |
| 14:13.08 | Plouj | marco13185: I think so |
| 14:13.15 | marco13185 | Plouj, stable doesn't have xorg |
| 14:13.17 | marco13185 | it has xfree |
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| 14:13.24 | Plouj | marco13185: debian 3.1 |
| 14:13.29 | Plouj | xfree?! |
| 14:13.33 | Plouj | oy |
| 14:13.43 | marco13185 | caracal, yep |
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| 14:13.47 | caracal | plouj: oh, that's a wm, eh? well then ... and marco is right, stable has xfree86, not xorg |
| 14:14.14 | Plouj | so, should I install xfree86-common? |
| 14:14.28 | marco13185 | Plouj, just install xfree86 |
| 14:14.36 | marco13185 | it should install everything else as a dependency ( I think) |
| 14:14.39 | caracal | marco: then there must be another device that needs permissions set (or rather, that you need to be in the proper group for) ... not sure what it would be, but you might get a better message by running alsamixer in an xterm as that user |
| 14:14.56 | marco13185 | caracal, I can run alsamixer as that user |
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| 14:15.04 | Plouj | marco13185: maybe xserver-xfree86? |
| 14:15.12 | marco13185 | Plouj, ya, that one |
| 14:15.13 | Plouj | it doesn't find 'xfree86' or 'xfree' |
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| 14:15.25 | caracal | how about alsaplayer? |
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| 14:15.38 | Plouj | I'm surprised fluxbox didn't install an X server |
| 14:15.53 | Gnea | Plouj: why's that? |
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| 14:16.27 | caracal | xserver-xfree86 will get you the server, but for a full x environment, you'll still have to install various other packages, like xutils and such |
| 14:16.27 | marco13185 | caracal, can I msg you the errors? |
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| 14:16.43 | Plouj | Gnea: because a wm shouldn't work without X |
| 14:16.58 | Plouj | caracal: what else other than xutils do you suggest? |
| 14:17.06 | Gnea | Plouj: you have much to learn, young grasshopper. A WM can work on any system running an Xserver. |
| 14:17.11 | caracal | marco: i'd love to, but i have to go right now ... i do wish you luck, though |
| 14:17.12 | marco13185 | Plouj, but because of the fact that there are so many different xservers, the WMs don't make you have any insalled |
| 14:17.17 | marco13185 | caracal, ty |
| 14:17.20 | Gnea | Plouj: and yes, that includes a TCP connection :) |
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| 14:17.33 | caracal | plouj: try installing xterm, and make sure you have a full complement of x font packages |
| 14:17.42 | caracal | and with that, i must go impersonate a wage slave |
| 14:18.10 | Plouj | too bad debian wiki is not working for me |
| 14:18.20 | marco13185 | Plouj, ... |
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| 14:18.50 | Plouj | I installed xfree, xterm, xutils, fluxbox, but there still is no startx |
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| 14:19.05 | marco13185 | Plouj, try to just "apt-get install xfree86" |
| 14:19.09 | Eulex | Plouj, how did you install xfree? |
| 14:19.10 | Plouj | I did that |
| 14:19.20 | Plouj | marco13185: that doesn't find xfree86 |
| 14:19.26 | Plouj | Eulex: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:19.44 | MatBoy | How safe is it to recompile my existing kernel ? |
| 14:19.45 | Gnea | try apt-cache search xfree86 |
| 14:19.54 | Plouj | I did that, Gnea |
| 14:19.56 | marco13185 | Plouj, out of curiosity, why not just install it from the install CD? |
| 14:19.59 | Plouj | it gives me a lot of packages |
| 14:20.03 | fusibou | MatBoy why would you want to? |
| 14:20.05 | Gnea | good, now pick one. |
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| 14:20.12 | sk4nK | how do i (is it possible to) change the default Maildir for courier-imap? every resource i've found uses ~/Maildir, but i want it hidden (~/.Maildir). |
| 14:20.20 | Plouj | marco13185: if you mean a desktop environment - I don't want GNOME and KDE crap |
| 14:20.22 | Eulex | Plouj, apt-get install x-window-system. xserver-xfree86 will just get you the X server |
| 14:20.25 | MatBoy | fusibou, because Ethc recognized my processor as a 486 :S |
| 14:20.32 | Plouj | Gnea: well, I did, that's not helping me |
| 14:20.41 | marco13185 | Plouj, no, why don't you use the install disk to install the whole thing |
| 14:20.45 | marco13185 | then you can remove kde and gnome |
| 14:20.45 | Gnea | Plouj: you didn't state what you chose |
| 14:21.01 | fusibou | MatBoy if you have multiple kernels listed ina boot manager like grub, if one doesn't work you can reboot the last one |
| 14:21.07 | Gnea | marco13185: that's kinda retarded |
| 14:21.13 | marco13185 | Gnea, yes, but it works :P |
| 14:21.19 | Noboru | its pretty easy to upgrade kernel in debian using apt-get install |
| 14:21.19 | Gnea | marco13185: not really :P |
| 14:21.25 | Plouj | marco13185: because someone here suggested to use netinstall anyways |
| 14:21.34 | marco13185 | Plouj, you can install that with netinstall |
| 14:21.35 | Plouj | marco13185: and what is the install disk gonna make a difference? |
| 14:21.44 | marco13185 | Plouj, it'll install everything you need for x |
| 14:21.46 | Noboru | but it won't remove stuff you don't need,so i will manually recompile kernel later |
| 14:21.51 | Gnea | !info xserver-xfree86 sarge |
| 14:21.54 | marco13185 | you won't have to go around installing multiple packages and then worry about it |
| 14:21.57 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 5608 kB, Installed size: 15620 kB |
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| 14:22.15 | Gnea | Plouj: that's the one you want |
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| 14:22.19 | Plouj | marco13185: I have no clue what disk you are talking about |
| 14:22.26 | marco13185 | Plouj, the install disk |
| 14:22.31 | marco13185 | the one that install Debian |
| 14:22.32 | Plouj | Gnea: I already intalled that, but I still don't have the 'startx' program |
| 14:22.37 | MatBoy | fusibou, yes I can do that. The strange thing is that I need nvidia-modules when I compile the latest kernel with the config of my existing kernel. So I wonder if I get the same problem with the running version at the moment. Do I get no problems with overwrited modules in /lib ? |
| 14:22.39 | jpinto | Hi, i'm unable to remove a module with rmmod -> "FATAL: Module saa7134_alsa is in use." how can i know what process is using a module? |
| 14:22.41 | Plouj | marco13185: I have a netinstall disk, wtf? |
| 14:22.44 | Gnea | marco13185: netinstall only has one disk. |
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| 14:22.55 | Gnea | Plouj: try xbase-clients |
| 14:23.07 | Plouj | grr |
| 14:23.16 | Plouj | why isn't there just one package to install everything needed |
| 14:23.21 | Gnea | oh wait |
| 14:23.33 | Gnea | there is |
| 14:23.43 | Gnea | x-window-system-core |
| 14:23.58 | Gnea | sorry, forgot about that one |
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| 14:24.13 | fusibou | MatBoy I'm no expert but I thought /lib divided modules up for each kernel in separate subdirectories |
| 14:24.57 | Eulex | Plouj, x-window-system |
| 14:24.59 | MatBoy | fusibou, OK, but when I compile the same version I'm very afraid that this dir wil be overwritten... I will copy it for sure |
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| 14:25.26 | fusibou | MatBoy use the Debian method for compiling kernels |
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| 14:25.47 | wsjunior | will debian work fine with my hp dv5040? it has a turion 2.2 64bits processor.. |
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| 14:25.52 | fusibou | MatBoy and you can ensure the kernel name changes its appended version number when you make the .deb package of the kernel to install |
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| 14:26.16 | fusibou | MatBoy ie. 2.6.16-2-686 vs 2.6.16-1-686 |
| 14:27.16 | Noboru | how do i check my sarge version info ? |
| 14:27.24 | marco13185 | uname -a? |
| 14:27.25 | fusibou | MatBoy or better, put your own name in so you know it's custom made |
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| 14:27.34 | Noboru | marco13185, no |
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| 14:28.10 | Noboru | I mean it will print out your sarge number |
| 14:28.20 | MatBoy | fusibou, I alsways use custom-names. But why should I get errors on nvidia-kernel-packages that I need while using the same config ? |
| 14:28.30 | fusibou | Noboru cat /proc/version ? |
| 14:28.54 | heiko | i experience slower video playback with xorg 7.0 from unstable, compared to 6.9 from testing (tests have shown this to be independent of kernel type 2.4 or 2.6, and independent of video card - i tried two mga and one nvidia card). [and yes, i am successfully using Xv in all cases] |
| 14:28.54 | heiko | extensive googling and looking at the xorg bugzilla have given me no results. |
| 14:28.54 | heiko | now i wonder if this is a difference between the upstream xorg 6.9 and 7.0 code, or between the respective debian packages. any pointers, ideas, would be appreciated. |
| 14:29.09 | DonLemmi | Hi, i have an issue with etch. It seems like on several fresh installed systems, autofs does not start even though it is in the right runlevel. Anyone has any ideas why? |
| 14:29.25 | Noboru | fusibou, thanks,but it doesn't mention sarge |
| 14:29.28 | heiko | (to clarify: with "slower" i mean more cpu usage, for the same video streams, hitting my cpu limitations with 7.0) |
| 14:29.36 | fusibou | MatBoy sorry I haven't used nvidia for years |
| 14:29.52 | marco13185 | how come only root can play sound through alsa? |
| 14:30.12 | fusibou | Noboru don't you see something like (Debian 4.0.3-2)? (I'm using unstable) |
| 14:30.15 | Gnea | marco13185: probably because you're not in the audio group |
| 14:30.21 | marco13185 | Gnea, I am in the audio group |
| 14:30.28 | Gnea | marco13185: i doubt it |
| 14:30.32 | Noboru | Debian 1:3.3.5-13 |
| 14:30.39 | fusibou | Noboru maybe I don't know what I'm talking about |
| 14:30.47 | marco13185 | Gnea, |
| 14:30.47 | marco13185 | marco@Marco:~$ groups |
| 14:30.47 | marco13185 | marco dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
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| 14:31.01 | Gnea | marco13185: try the 'id' command |
| 14:31.10 | Noboru | I remeber there is a way that debian will tell you the current edtion info,such like woody3,woody3.1 |
| 14:31.26 | Gnea | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:31.39 | marco13185 | Gnea, marco@Marco:~$ id |
| 14:31.39 | marco13185 | uid=1000(marco) gid=1000(marco) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),1000(marco) |
| 14:31.55 | Gnea | marco13185: what about alsamixer? can you mix with it? |
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| 14:32.18 | marco13185 | Gnea, yep |
| 14:32.23 | marco13185 | I just can't listen with it |
| 14:32.28 | marco13185 | *with anything |
| 14:32.32 | marco13185 | Only root can |
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| 14:33.01 | Gnea | what sound apps are you using? |
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| 14:34.42 | marco13185 | Gnea, xmms, alsaplayer, bmp |
| 14:34.44 | marco13185 | etc.. |
| 14:34.50 | marco13185 | Gnea, they all work with OSS, but not with alsa |
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| 14:35.09 | Gnea | marco13185: did you check the alsa settings in xmms to make sure it's using the right hw:X,Y? |
| 14:35.26 | marco13185 | Gnea, it seems to have the right settings for root :\ |
| 14:35.38 | Gnea | marco13185: i don't care about root. |
| 14:35.57 | marco13185 | Gnea, <3 |
| 14:36.21 | Gnea | marco13185: did you apply settings for the audio group and other sound apps during the time you've been logged in as of right now? |
| 14:36.36 | MatBoy | Can someone help me with nvidia-drivers and compiling a new kernel ? |
| 14:36.42 | marco13185 | Gnea, no, this is the user I made during the install |
| 14:36.42 | Gnea | !nvidia |
| 14:36.42 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 14:36.53 | Gnea | !tell MatBoy about nvidia one-liner |
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| 14:37.17 | Gnea | marco13185: hrm, i don't know then - that's weird :/ |
| 14:37.28 | MatBoy | Gnea, I have problems with compiling a new kernel when I already use the Drivers Only |
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| 14:37.47 | Gnea | MatBoy: why are you compiling a new kernel? |
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| 14:39.15 | MatBoy | Gnea, Debian recognized my Processor as a 486 during the install |
| 14:39.41 | B_Raven | Anyone here familiar with gnomad2 ? |
| 14:39.44 | mattl | MatBoy: What kind of CPU do you have? |
| 14:39.44 | Gnea | MatBoy: you must have done something wrong. |
| 14:40.01 | blondie | MatBoy: why can't you just apt-get install the right one? |
| 14:40.03 | MatBoy | Gnea, no nothing done wrong... I'm running Etch |
| 14:40.13 | Gnea | MatBoy: yeah, that'd be wrong :) |
| 14:40.19 | MatBoy | mattl, Celeron 3,06Ghz |
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| 14:40.31 | liable | the 486 kernel is default during the etch install |
| 14:40.41 | Gnea | MatBoy: can you paste the output of the dmesg command to the paster url please? |
| 14:40.42 | MatBoy | liable, hey ! |
| 14:40.43 | Gnea | !paster |
| 14:40.43 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
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| 14:40.57 | MatBoy | Gnea, I can ! |
| 14:41.12 | Gnea | MatBoy: please do. |
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| 14:41.59 | DonLemmi | MatBoy, do you use autofs? |
| 14:42.23 | MatBoy | DonLemmi, I have experimented with it indeed |
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| 14:43.27 | DonLemmi | Does it start on bootup? |
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| 14:44.30 | mike-e_ | what's the best way to switch to xorg? |
| 14:44.37 | ghenry | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.42 | ghenry | is it ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/sarge/volatile/Release.gpg |
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| 14:45.00 | ghenry | gpg won't import it, and apt-get won't install anythign wothout it |
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| 14:45.03 | ghenry | it's for clamav |
| 14:45.13 | MatBoy | DonLemmi, why ? do you want to use it also ? |
| 14:45.28 | mike-e_ | !repositories |
| 14:45.34 | DonLemmi | I'm using it with etch. But i have the problem that it does not start on boot |
| 14:45.36 | MatBoy | Gnea, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2691 |
| 14:45.41 | mike-e_ | where can i get a good list of repos? |
| 14:45.55 | DonLemmi | Even though it is added to the runlevels |
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| 14:46.09 | MatBoy | DonLemmi, I thought here also, but I have not worked on it further... next week I will for sure ! |
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| 14:46.18 | DonLemmi | :) |
| 14:46.21 | Balu | Is anyone here running Sarge on an IBM Blade type 8843? |
| 14:46.32 | _chenz_ | i accidentally "rm -rf"-ed my /dev, is there a way to restore/repopulate it without rebooting? |
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| 14:47.10 | liable | ghenry: have you checked the volatile home page? |
| 14:47.28 | ghenry | liable: Nope, thanks |
| 14:47.32 | liable | _chenz_: man makedev |
| 14:47.46 | Balu | _chenz_: /dev is completely gone? Afaik you need /dev/MAKEDEV to create devices |
| 14:47.57 | Balu | liable: I guess makedev is gone too :o) |
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| 14:48.07 | bulot | Good morning guys. |
| 14:48.13 | ghenry | liable: got it, cheers |
| 14:48.15 | Balu | _chenz_: or you'll have to create everything manually |
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| 14:48.23 | Balu | bulot: Good evening |
| 14:48.43 | bulot | We are looking forward to set 9 servers with Debian running LAMP |
| 14:48.52 | pharm | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.58 | _chenz_ | Balu: /dev/MAKEDEV exists again after calling /etc/init.d/makedev |
| 14:49.00 | bulot | here is the question, they want to use PHP5 and Mysql5... |
| 14:49.18 | Balu | _chenz_: oh, you are right |
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| 14:49.43 | bulot | do you think that www.dotdeb.org, is a right solution? |
| 14:49.46 | Balu | pharm: uh - you are right ;) |
| 14:50.01 | dimir | /dev/anus! |
| 14:50.07 | bulot | for a production environment??? |
| 14:50.14 | MatBoy | Gnea, have you receives the URL ? |
| 14:50.16 | jair | it is possible use rsync on the tapes? I do not think so??? |
| 14:50.36 | Balu | bulot: what about backports.org? |
| 14:50.38 | Gnea | MatBoy: it's not showing everything, can you paste /var/log/dmesg too? |
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| 14:50.45 | jair | guys I am would like to make differential backups froma database it is that possible or at least recommended? |
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| 14:51.02 | MatBoy | Gnea, that was the dmesg |
| 14:51.04 | Gnea | jair: yes. |
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| 14:51.15 | vovo4ka | hi |
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| 14:51.40 | Gnea | MatBoy: the dmesg command, yes. but /var/log/dmesg is a logfile. |
| 14:51.40 | jair | Gnea: yes?? |
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| 14:51.48 | Gnea | jair: yes. |
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| 14:51.57 | junix|work | is there a gui package for qemu? |
| 14:52.08 | jair | Gnea: I can make differential backups? or if I can write backups to a tape using rsync? |
| 14:52.12 | Balu | this sucks - I got two bladecenters, stuffed with blades and can't get sarge to run on them :-( |
| 14:52.25 | Gnea | jair: tar would be useful for the tape |
| 14:52.29 | MatBoy | Gnea, I posted the logfile to you |
| 14:52.32 | Gnea | jair: rsync is for network backups |
| 14:52.48 | Gnea | MatBoy: oh, that wasn't the dmesg command itself? |
| 14:52.53 | Balu | jair: mysql database? |
| 14:52.58 | MatBoy | Gnea, nope :) |
| 14:53.05 | jair | Gnea: oracle and SAP |
| 14:53.12 | Gnea | MatBoy: the output of dmesg -s600000, please |
| 14:53.29 | alnr | is there a manifest file somewhere in apt that I can open to see what files belong to a given installed package? |
| 14:53.34 | jair | Gnea: but they are all running on HPUX but I am trying to see what I can run on debian to replace that |
| 14:53.37 | MatBoy | Gnea, OK |
| 14:53.57 | liable | !tell alnr about search |
| 14:53.57 | drcurl | Should I use apt-get or aptitude to go from sarge to etch? |
| 14:53.58 | Gnea | jair: you can run oracle in debian, i'm not sure about SAP. |
| 14:53.59 | jair | Gnea: so far I know that Oracle and SAP does not support debian |
| 14:54.14 | Gnea | jair: you are mis-informed. |
| 14:54.22 | alnr | liable: tx |
| 14:54.36 | jair | it is a open source version of SAP actually, the version of oracle we are using is 9.5.0 |
| 14:54.39 | Gnea | jair: http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/linux/install/index.html |
| 14:54.57 | jair | Gnea: nice, thank you for open my eyes on the fog :) |
| 14:55.03 | rene- | hey, i want exim4 to deliver mail to ~/Maildir, i have configured dc_local_delivery to mail_home, the logs still shows T=mail_spool when i send messages to those users from local, help is appreciated |
| 14:55.10 | Gnea | jair: http://www.the-love-shack.net/oracle-on-sid.html |
| 14:55.13 | Gnea | jair: :) |
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| 14:55.21 | jimmiehansson | Has anyone in here had troubles compiling vpopmail on debian lately? |
| 14:55.32 | junix|work | is there a gui package for qemu? |
| 14:56.07 | streuner | !tell junix|work about search |
| 14:56.19 | MatBoy | Gnea, here you go: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2692 |
| 14:56.35 | jair | Gnea: I think that the sid one is just a no, because sid is unstable. It can not be use for production |
| 14:56.44 | jair | Gnea: but the other site looks insteresting |
| 14:57.04 | Gnea | jair: ignore the fact that it's for sid. |
| 14:57.10 | jair | Gnea: other question, I am trying to see what will be the best compression way for the rsync automated backup. |
| 14:57.32 | jair | Gnea: you mean that I would be able to install it in stable |
| 14:57.46 | Gnea | MatBoy: okay, your kernel doesn't have enough of a log buffer to show the details of the CPU, you'll need to fix that. |
| 14:57.56 | Gnea | jair: sure, why not? |
| 14:58.20 | MatBoy | Gnea, what is the best solution to fix it ? |
| 14:59.19 | sk4nK | My Maildir folder is ~/.Maildir, instead of the default ~/Maildir, everything is fine except imapd - how do i tell it where to find the Maildir? |
| 14:59.28 | daqqal | my package is in nj |
| 14:59.54 | marco13185 | why would the default sound card be different for root and for an ordinary user? |
| 14:59.55 | rene- | sk4nK: in dovecot that is easy |
| 14:59.59 | marco13185 | *sound device |
| 15:00.24 | Gnea | MatBoy: reconfigure your kernel and increase the level of loglevel buffer, recompile and reboot. |
| 15:00.27 | sk4nK | rene- is it not easy in courier-imap, or you don't know? |
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| 15:00.53 | jair | Gnea: I will be back have to run out for bit. |
| 15:01.04 | MatBoy | Gnea, how much should it be ? |
| 15:01.17 | Gnea | MatBoy: i would increase it at least 2 points |
| 15:01.29 | MatBoy | Gnea, I can direclty change the processor-type I guess ? |
| 15:01.31 | Gnea | MatBoy: if you read the help section, it'll tell you what the numbers mean. |
| 15:01.38 | Gnea | MatBoy: of course |
| 15:02.30 | MatBoy | Gnea, but why should I get problems with nvidia-headers and so on why I compile the latest kernel-version with the same config that I use now ? |
| 15:02.50 | MatBoy | Gnea, I'm afraid to get those also with recompiling this one |
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| 15:03.29 | mike-e | hmmm |
| 15:03.33 | mike-e | is xorg typically liked more than xfree86? |
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| 15:03.40 | brad` | there's a lot of release bugs, rekon sarge will be stable for many more years? |
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| 15:03.43 | tarzeau | mike-e: yes |
| 15:03.44 | giacus | hi |
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| 15:04.04 | mike-e | tarzeau : will using xorg instead of the default xfree86 help my resolution problem? |
| 15:04.16 | tarzeau | MatBoy: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 15:04.16 | giacus | I need some help with dh_make: http://rafb.net/paste/results/WNgoMj85.html |
| 15:04.24 | tarzeau | mike-e: i doubt |
| 15:04.32 | tarzeau | mike-e: depends , are you on stable or sid? |
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| 15:04.37 | giacus | attempting to build a deb package |
| 15:04.40 | mike-e | uhm |
| 15:04.47 | tarzeau | giacus: of what software? |
| 15:04.52 | mike-e | i downloaded the sarge netinst |
| 15:04.55 | giacus | mplayer source |
| 15:04.58 | tarzeau | giacus: mplayer upstream ships a debian/* already |
| 15:05.18 | tarzeau | giacus: http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/mplayer/ |
| 15:05.24 | mike-e | tarzeau : for some reason i can't use 1600x1024 |
| 15:05.35 | giacus | ok, just to understand why I get that error .. |
| 15:05.36 | tarzeau | mike-e: error msg? |
| 15:05.37 | MatBoy | tarzeau, just run it ? |
| 15:05.45 | tarzeau | MatBoy: read the first 3 lines of it |
| 15:05.57 | tarzeau | MatBoy: it's supposed to be run at boot time |
| 15:06.09 | tarzeau | MatBoy: there's even the right update-rc.d command in it, be sure it's +x |
| 15:06.11 | giacus | I'd like to learn how to build my own deb package |
| 15:06.12 | mike-e | tarzeau : no error message, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is bound for 1600x1024 but when i restart x it only comes back at 1024x768 |
| 15:06.22 | tarzeau | MatBoy: you might want to run your own mirror for the installer |
| 15:06.25 | giacus | do you know a good howto about it ? |
| 15:06.30 | tarzeau | sure |
| 15:06.33 | gilianima | how to convert a mac binary file (like a jpeg image) to a normal file readable on linux ? |
| 15:06.38 | MatBoy | tarzeau, OK, thanks !! |
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| 15:06.45 | liable | !nm |
| 15:06.46 | dpkg | hmm... nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 15:06.52 | tarzeau | giacus: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 15:07.00 | giacus | thank you |
| 15:07.04 | tarzeau | gilianima: what says themacjpeg.jpeg ? |
| 15:07.09 | tarzeau | gilianima: when you run file on it |
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| 15:07.23 | mike-e | how can i upgrade from sarge to the newer one? |
| 15:07.32 | mike-e | or to testing or something relatively up to date |
| 15:07.48 | onetinsoldier | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 15:07.48 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 15:07.48 | marco13185 | have any of you ever heard of settings changing instantly? |
| 15:08.01 | tarzeau | dpkg sarge->sid |
| 15:08.01 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 15:08.04 | mike-e | cool thanks |
| 15:08.05 | tarzeau | hehe, nice |
| 15:08.05 | gilianima | tarzeau: actually, my file isn't a image, but I had the problem a few weeks ago with an image |
| 15:08.16 | tarzeau | gilianima: what says file thefile ? |
| 15:08.20 | gilianima | tarzeau: but I forgot the command that solves the problem |
| 15:08.23 | tarzeau | gilianima: apt-get install file |
| 15:08.27 | junix|work | is there a gui version of qemu? |
| 15:08.31 | tarzeau | junix|work: yes |
| 15:08.34 | MatBoy | tarzeau, btw... I get a kernel-source problem because I can;t install that anymore... It's removed from Etch :( |
| 15:08.36 | junix|work | what is it? |
| 15:08.44 | tarzeau | junix|work: there are frontends.. no idea i don't use them |
| 15:08.55 | tarzeau | MatBoy: oh, i don't support etch |
| 15:08.55 | marco13185 | junix|work, they have kqemu |
| 15:09.03 | junix|work | marco13185: in unstable??? |
| 15:09.05 | tarzeau | MatBoy: i personally suggest using stable or sid |
| 15:09.28 | MatBoy | tarzeau, stable didn't want to run on my system :( |
| 15:09.34 | mike-e | is etch pretty sweet or what |
| 15:09.35 | mike-e | ? |
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| 15:09.46 | onetinsoldier | etch is very nice |
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| 15:09.51 | gilianima | tarzeau: file returns "data" |
| 15:09.51 | tarzeau | MatBoy: kernel? |
| 15:09.52 | mike-e | cool |
| 15:09.53 | Ronin | great, i love it when i get an email from one boss telling me to do something and not to cc in my other boss |
| 15:09.57 | onetinsoldier | sid isn't bad either |
| 15:09.57 | mike-e | and I can run xorg with it right |
| 15:09.59 | junix|work | marco13185: what are the packages...io can't find them in apt-cache |
| 15:10.02 | marco13185 | junix|work, no, not in debian |
| 15:10.02 | tarzeau | gilianima: oh well... dunno then. is the file online? |
| 15:10.03 | mike-e | which is newer sid or etch |
| 15:10.06 | tarzeau | gilianima: which version of file? |
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| 15:10.11 | onetinsoldier | yes... xorg is in etch |
| 15:10.18 | tarzeau | gilianima: what is the file supposed to be? |
| 15:10.18 | mike-e | i've been using ubuntu for a while but i came back |
| 15:10.19 | marco13185 | junix|work, let me see if there's a .deb on the kqemu site though |
| 15:10.23 | mike-e | i'm like the prodigal son |
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| 15:10.25 | junix|work | ah ok |
| 15:10.34 | tarzeau | mike-e: i'll really try the 6.06 to be out in a few hours |
| 15:10.35 | MatBoy | tarzeau, too long ago... can;t remember :( |
| 15:10.40 | gilianima | tarzeau: file-4.16 |
| 15:10.47 | pipeline | junix|work: qemu is worthless. |
| 15:10.52 | tarzeau | gilianima: that's a recent version, dunno. can you provide that file? |
| 15:10.52 | pipeline | junix|work: install vmware server. |
| 15:10.57 | pipeline | junix|work: you will not regret it |
| 15:11.00 | tarzeau | pipeline: it's free at least |
| 15:11.00 | mike-e | tarzeau what is it? |
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| 15:11.05 | gilianima | tarzeau: there's a text file, a clariswork file, and a rtf file |
| 15:11.05 | pipeline | tarzeau: So is VMWare. |
| 15:11.07 | junix|work | pipeline: ok...i want to try it |
| 15:11.08 | onetinsoldier | sid is newer |
| 15:11.13 | tarzeau | pipeline: no it's not |
| 15:11.17 | pipeline | junix|work: VMware Server, not to be confused with "GSK Server", is free. |
| 15:11.24 | junix|work | pipeline: i know |
| 15:11.30 | tarzeau | pipeline: without source? |
| 15:11.33 | pipeline | tarzeau: VMWare is free by any standard that kqemu is free. |
| 15:11.34 | mike-e | onetinsoldier : so once this sarge -> etch upgrade is done I can do an etch -> sid upgrade? |
| 15:11.34 | tarzeau | it's gratis maybe |
| 15:11.47 | marco13185 | junix|work, try Xen too |
| 15:11.49 | _chenz_ | hmmm, so /dev/.static/dev looks okay, now is there a way to make udev re-populate /dev ? already tried restarting it... |
| 15:11.54 | tarzeau | mike-e: you can go to sid directly |
| 15:11.55 | pipeline | tarzeau: hell, vmware, it's the userspace portion that's binary -- they give you the kernel sourcue! |
| 15:11.57 | marco13185 | Xen is open source, unlike VMware |
| 15:11.57 | tarzeau | mike-e: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 15:12.13 | tarzeau | pipeline: the kernel source is unusable alone |
| 15:12.15 | junix|work | marco13185: there are no Xen pacakges for debian.... |
| 15:12.15 | onetinsoldier | mike-e.. yes, if you want/ sid is allright. but it's always in a state of flux' |
| 15:12.17 | tarzeau | pipeline: thus it's not free |
| 15:12.30 | marco13185 | junix|work, neither are there Vmware packages, lol |
| 15:12.41 | mike-e | state of flux? |
| 15:12.44 | mike-e | always changing? |
| 15:12.47 | onetinsoldier | yes |
| 15:12.50 | pipeline | tarzeau: Qemu is shit. That's unavoidable. VMWare is the market leader. |
| 15:12.50 | mike-e | ah |
| 15:12.55 | mike-e | bleeding edge so to speak |
| 15:12.58 | pipeline | tarzeau: Get back to me when you have Free Software that's vaguely comparable. |
| 15:13.01 | junix|work | marco13185: whatever happened to the deb of kqemu...did you find it? |
| 15:13.08 | jones | vmware esx is crappy |
| 15:13.10 | marco13185 | junix|work, no, they only have tgz files |
| 15:13.13 | pipeline | tarzeau: Pitching qemu as a vmware competitor is like pitching vi as a FrameMaker competitor. |
| 15:13.15 | junix|work | damn |
| 15:13.22 | tarzeau | pipeline: we also use vmware here.. it's just not free |
| 15:13.25 | mike-e | i dunno why i can't use 1600x1024 with sarge tho |
| 15:14.35 | marco13185 | junix|work, you could always risk it and convert their RPMs to debs |
| 15:14.46 | marco13185 | or use the tarball |
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| 15:14.59 | marco13185 | junix|work, I'm talking about Xen |
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| 15:19.34 | marco13185 | junix|work, I found a frontend for it |
| 15:19.58 | marco13185 | add this to sources.list: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 15:20.05 | marco13185 | the app is called qemu_launcher |
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| 15:21.14 | marco13185 | junix|work, they also have binaries: add this: deb http://emeitner.f2o.org/debian/ ./ |
| 15:21.40 | junix|work | sweet!!! |
| 15:21.41 | junix|work | thanks |
| 15:21.49 | marco13185 | np |
| 15:22.31 | marco13185 | how do I return the current display mode? |
| 15:22.33 | redphoenix1 | is there any website i can go to to figure out how to get my bluetooth keyboard detected at boot so i can use it at gdm login?? none the pages i have been to help |
| 15:22.39 | marco13185 | like the resolution |
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| 15:23.17 | junix|work | marco13185: its not showing up when i do a apt-cache search |
| 15:23.35 | marco13185 | did you add this to your sources.list: deb http://emeitner.f2o.org/debian/ ./ |
| 15:23.40 | junix|work | yes |
| 15:23.52 | junix|work | ah |
| 15:23.55 | redphoenix1 | i dont seem to have any of the documentation on my system that helps i look for bluetooth docs and there is none to be installed |
| 15:23.56 | junix|work | it ignored the site |
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| 15:24.22 | benluo | hi |
| 15:24.43 | benluo | who installed debian on a USB disk? |
| 15:24.55 | marco13185 | junix|work, just look: http://emeitner.f2o.org/debian/ |
| 15:25.07 | marco13185 | download the deb if apt-get doesn't work with it |
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| 15:26.04 | junix|work | k |
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| 15:27.00 | Ab3l | hi, i've a problem ... how do i fix my XF86Config-4 File without a backup copy ? |
| 15:27.43 | ktwilight | benluo, i'm trying to get that working |
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| 15:28.30 | undrdawg | Ab31, hi, i don't understand what you mean |
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| 15:29.19 | undrdawg | i'm having issues with mine too |
| 15:29.28 | Ab3l | undrdawg> my XF86Config-4 is corrupted |
| 15:29.39 | Ab3l | undrdawg> i want to rebuilt it but i dunno how |
| 15:29.52 | Ronin | Ab3l: reconfigure x? |
| 15:30.00 | Ab3l | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 didn't do the job |
| 15:30.20 | Ronin | Ab3l: did that command give you any errors? messages? when you ran it |
| 15:30.34 | Ab3l | ronin dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86:: no |
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| 15:31.01 | undrdawg | im not sure why you don't want a backup ? |
| 15:31.03 | Ab3l | insteadv launching normally debian says No Screens as error' cause it lacks a xf86config-4 file |
| 15:31.19 | Ab3l | i i don't have made a backup |
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| 15:31.40 | marco13185 | brb |
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| 15:32.01 | Ab3l | so there' a quick way to regenerate XF86Config.4 ? |
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| 15:32.10 | Ab3l | or i've to manually write it ? |
| 15:32.20 | Ronin | Ab3l: tried moving the current one then doing reconfigur? |
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| 15:32.28 | Ronin | this a new install too? |
| 15:32.28 | Ab3l | tried |
| 15:32.32 | Ab3l | it creates no file |
| 15:32.38 | Ab3l | in palce of the previous |
| 15:32.40 | ktwilight | am sure you can re-install it using dpkg |
| 15:32.41 | marco13185 | when are they planning on fixing the gnome package? |
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| 15:32.46 | marco13185 | actually, the xlibs package |
| 15:32.52 | undrdawg | ls /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 15:32.58 | undrdawg | its not there? |
| 15:33.14 | undrdawg | you're running it as root? |
| 15:33.19 | Ab3l | it's a fresh install and worked well since ichosen monitor resolution of 1280x1024@75 |
| 15:33.26 | Ronin | Ab3l: is this a new install? did yu install x? |
| 15:33.29 | marco13185 | is the xlibs package gonna be fixed soon? |
| 15:33.30 | Ab3l | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.32 | Ronin | ahh |
| 15:33.43 | Ab3l | after modding resoultion |
| 15:33.53 | undrdawg | you didnt change permissions at all yet? |
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| 15:34.03 | Ab3l | debian refused to load kdm or better i t loads but hy screen complained about unsupported resoultion |
| 15:34.08 | Ab3l | so i deleted xf85config.-4 |
| 15:34.20 | undrdawg | btw, what installation method did you use? |
| 15:34.21 | Ab3l | now it cryies fr that file and i've to rerbuilt it |
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| 15:34.35 | Ronin | Ab3l: now why didnt you just correct the config instead of deleting it |
| 15:34.39 | Ab3l | expert26 but that doesn't matters |
| 15:34.43 | Ab3l | i know |
| 15:34.45 | Ab3l | ;) |
| 15:34.52 | Ab3l | but dinvce i dont' know its syntax |
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| 15:34.58 | Ab3l | i didn't digged to change it |
| 15:34.59 | Ab3l | ;) |
| 15:35.07 | marco13185 | other than main non-free and contrib, are there any other things you can add in sources.list? |
| 15:35.15 | marco13185 | I thought there were more :( |
| 15:35.22 | dacu | dpkg-reconfigure does not recreate the file ? |
| 15:35.28 | Ab3l | doesn't |
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| 15:36.29 | undrdawg | try typing: echo "test" > /etc/X11/test |
| 15:36.43 | undrdawg | Ab3l: are you sure the config has permissions? |
| 15:37.02 | Ab3l | it has i had chance to manually edit it modify & delete |
| 15:37.04 | marco13185 | how come when I apt-get install xlibs, I get this error: E: Package xlibs has no installation candidate |
| 15:37.30 | undrdawg | i can't run X either |
| 15:37.36 | notx | hi if I have a directory such as .notes in every directory/subdirectory how do I delete all those .notes directories without deleting non .notes dirs |
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| 15:37.50 | streuner | marco13185: paste the whole error in paster bot |
| 15:37.53 | streuner | !paste |
| 15:37.53 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 15:37.54 | Ab3l | can i pick a sample xfconfig file somewhere ? |
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| 15:38.17 | Ab3l | i tried with the mandrake |
| 15:38.21 | Ronin | Ab3l: probibly not a good idea |
| 15:38.22 | marco13185 | streuner, what's the paster bot? dpkg? |
| 15:38.23 | Ab3l | but it doesn't works for debby |
| 15:38.25 | benluo | notx: use find |
| 15:38.38 | streuner | !tell marco13185 about paste |
| 15:38.42 | Ronin | Ab3l: log files show anything after running reconfigure? |
| 15:38.44 | notx | benluo: how so? |
| 15:38.53 | Ab3l | i plan just to make it but work once than use xf86cfg to regen |
| 15:38.55 | benluo | notx: find is too super for me to control |
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| 15:39.05 | benluo | please man find |
| 15:39.09 | ktwilight | http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/XF86Config.5.html <- that should help? |
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| 15:39.13 | Ab3l | i haven't read 'em |
| 15:39.27 | ktwilight | that's the man file for xf86config |
| 15:39.30 | undrdawg | try find /rootdir/ -name .notes -exec rm |
| 15:39.50 | Ab3l | ktwilight> i don't nned the man or better i prefer a mini-premade xfconfig ;) |
| 15:40.03 | ktwilight | oh well :) |
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| 15:40.13 | Ab3l | hhehe tried to read th eman twice |
| 15:40.19 | Ab3l | but it's quite confusive |
| 15:40.29 | undrdawg | that was aimed at notx ^^ |
| 15:40.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
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| 15:41.00 | Ab3l | mmm there' a console version of xf85cfg ? |
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| 15:41.08 | Ab3l | er 86* |
| 15:41.42 | dacu | ask someone to send u the config file |
| 15:42.03 | liable | !drxx Ab3l |
| 15:42.03 | dpkg | Ab3l: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 15:42.19 | Ab3l | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.25 | ktwilight | dpkg should be able to do the work for you on that config file...i think... :/ |
| 15:42.41 | liable | Ab3l: did it save the changes? |
| 15:42.53 | Ab3l | it says yes... creates nothing |
| 15:42.58 | Ab3l | but it has permission |
| 15:43.00 | dacu | he does not have the config file |
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| 15:43.03 | undrdawg | im thinking maybe i shouldn't have used the netinstall method |
| 15:43.03 | Ab3l | to accomplish the job |
| 15:43.15 | liable | no config file at all? |
| 15:43.20 | Ab3l | yes |
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| 15:43.31 | HUN73R | hi |
| 15:43.32 | liable | yes, you have one? |
| 15:43.40 | Ab3l | no |
| 15:43.42 | dacu | :) |
| 15:43.44 | Ab3l | making a blank would help ? |
| 15:43.51 | HUN73R | does any one know how to put konsole on the KDE desktop background? |
| 15:43.54 | Ab3l | blank+dpkg ? |
| 15:43.55 | undrdawg | first time installing the original debian. the process brought me to aptitude with 2.4 kernel and devfs on the menu heh |
| 15:43.58 | liable | touch it, then run the md5sum on it |
| 15:44.05 | liable | !xmd5 |
| 15:44.05 | ktwilight | how 'bout dpkg --configure xserver-xfree86? |
| 15:44.05 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 15:44.15 | undrdawg | i thought debian was up to date |
| 15:44.16 | ktwilight | ouch |
| 15:44.21 | marco13185 | is there any way to install the microsoft web core fonts? |
| 15:44.36 | marco13185 | undrdawg, only sid is kind of up to date |
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| 15:44.49 | undrdawg | sid? |
| 15:44.55 | undrdawg | is that codename for unstable? |
| 15:44.56 | marco13185 | undrdawg, unstable |
| 15:44.57 | Ronin | undrdawg: unstable |
| 15:45.14 | undrdawg | i cant remember the command to restart x |
| 15:45.15 | Ab3l | ktwilight> it means debian has a backup of the original ? |
| 15:45.19 | fiXXXerMet | I just added a second hard drive to my system - can I move everything from /usr to the new hard drive, then mount the new hard drive to /usr ? |
| 15:45.21 | Ab3l | stored somewhere ? |
| 15:45.23 | undrdawg | i got this setup so all runlevels run gdm |
| 15:45.39 | streuner | startx |
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| 15:45.54 | streuner | if you want get rid about just /msg dpkg nodm |
| 15:46.17 | itachi-uo | hwello everyone , what is the name of the sft (npdate) im searching on my console and i cant find the file config |
| 15:46.18 | undrdawg | oops now i got another problem |
| 15:46.27 | undrdawg | but what i meant was |
| 15:46.30 | undrdawg | restart X |
| 15:46.32 | marco13185 | undrdawg, just # /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 15:46.32 | undrdawg | not start |
| 15:46.50 | undrdawg | it was complaining about my mouse |
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| 15:47.09 | streuner | what kind of mouse do you have and what kernel? |
| 15:47.21 | undrdawg | im wondering if the dpkg-reconfigure has a bug with the video config |
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| 15:47.32 | undrdawg | when it asks for my busID |
| 15:47.35 | undrdawg | i give it |
| 15:47.36 | Ab3l | mmm boys i'll try what twilight said and get back there if it doesn't work .-... se ya ;) |
| 15:47.38 | onetinsoldier | itachi-uo: what are you looking for? ntpdate? or something else? i didn't quite understand |
| 15:48.07 | undrdawg | PCI:01:00:0 |
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| 15:48.18 | undrdawg | doom:~# lspci | grep ati |
| 15:48.18 | undrdawg | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RF/SG AGP |
| 15:49.04 | itachi-uo | heheh i fount it |
| 15:49.04 | itachi-uo | cya |
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| 15:49.04 | undrdawg | so now my error is: |
| 15:49.04 | undrdawg | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 15:49.05 | undrdawg | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 15:49.05 | undrdawg | giving up. |
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| 15:49.05 | undrdawg | my fault |
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| 15:49.05 | liable | undrdawg: dont enetr anything, it will fill it out |
| 15:49.06 | ktwilight | ... |
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| 15:49.32 | liable | thats not a bus id error anyway |
| 15:50.28 | undrdawg | is it a pain to combine stable and unstable? |
| 15:50.40 | pipeline | undrdawg: It will, without a doubt, break your system. |
| 15:50.41 | pipeline | undrdawg: Don't. |
| 15:50.47 | marco13185 | undrdawg, it's more stable to use unstable |
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| 15:50.58 | pipeline | undrdawg: You can mix testing and unstable with a minimal amount of difficulty, but mixing stable and unstable is very, very, very much a bad idea. |
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| 15:51.16 | pipeline | undrdawg: If you need whizbang new shit, try backports.org. Poorly tested third-party packages that are still less likely to screw you over. |
| 15:51.19 | marco13185 | undrdawg, it might be better to either use backports |
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| 15:52.07 | marco13185 | anyone know the procedure for installing TTF fonts? |
| 15:52.17 | azeem | pipeline: backports are not third party packages, really. They are usually contributed by their respective Debian maintainer |
| 15:52.22 | azeem | or the backports people |
| 15:52.23 | ktwilight | which font manager are you using marcol? |
| 15:52.24 | undrdawg | you know what i would have to do to get the whole debian package tools on another distro? |
| 15:52.31 | marco13185 | undrdawg, what's the point |
| 15:52.37 | undrdawg | like say, a very basic lfs build |
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| 15:52.49 | ktwilight | anyone got DamnSmallLinux running on a usb stick? 'cuz i can't find any docs on how to do that. :/ |
| 15:53.03 | pipeline | ktwilight: This is #debian. |
| 15:53.07 | marco13185 | undrdawg, a distro is pretty much it's tools |
| 15:53.08 | Ronin | ktwilight: #dsl :) |
| 15:53.15 | ktwilight | ooh... |
| 15:53.17 | ktwilight | oops? :) |
| 15:53.22 | undrdawg | well, yea |
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| 15:54.02 | undrdawg | but im not quite sure what tools i'm going to need to make something else, debian |
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| 15:54.17 | Ronin | make something else debian? |
| 15:54.24 | fridim | hello. |
| 15:54.27 | undrdawg | well not completely |
| 15:54.45 | undrdawg | but you know, have the dpkg and apt-get functionality |
| 15:54.53 | Ronin | undrdawg: thats easy install debian |
| 15:54.54 | undrdawg | and all the coolies that go along with debian |
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| 15:55.08 | sage | Could someone tell me how /etc/apt/sources.list is done. Beginners guide somewhere? |
| 15:55.12 | thingfish | wiki.debian.org seems to be unavailable. |
| 15:55.17 | azeem | undrdawg: porting dpkg and apt to some non-debian system is probably not trivial |
| 15:55.22 | azeem | thingfish: spohr is down |
| 15:55.27 | Ronin | sage: if you run stable apt-setup |
| 15:55.29 | thingfish | azeem: ok thanks |
| 15:55.32 | undrdawg | yea |
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| 15:55.40 | sage | Ronin: testing |
| 15:55.47 | undrdawg | i guess i should just start copying stuff over and following the error messages i get |
| 15:56.07 | sage | 3 years from now, but never understood sources.list and how to edit it. |
| 15:56.51 | marco13185 | sage, it's pretty simple :\ |
| 15:56.56 | fridim | I'am trying to install the module rt2500 (ralink) on a sarge, following that tuto : http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto . So, i've installed the package rt2500-source from etch. But i've a problem when module-assistant tries to compile the module. |
| 15:57.06 | onetinsoldier | there is a man page.... man sources.list |
| 15:57.08 | marco13185 | sage, and there's www.google.com to help you :D |
| 15:57.23 | valdyn | fridim: uname -r |
| 15:57.44 | fridim | 2.6.8-3-k7 |
| 15:57.52 | marco13185 | fridim, make sure you're using the same gcc version that your kernel is compiled with |
| 15:57.57 | valdyn | fridim: and the problem is what? |
| 15:58.32 | undrdawg | so how do i tell Xlib not to go to ":0.0" |
| 15:59.03 | marco13185 | undrdawg, config file? |
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| 15:59.09 | fridim | marco13185, i've tried with all gcc i've, by changing the link gcc |
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| 15:59.10 | ktwilight | fridim you need a more recent linux |
| 15:59.15 | undrdawg | which? |
| 15:59.25 | ktwilight | that completely solves your problem |
| 15:59.25 | valdyn | undrdawg: to what is xlib supposed to go then? |
| 15:59.33 | undrdawg | i thought maybe there was a script to configure it auto |
| 15:59.46 | fridim | ktwilight, yes, but i don't really want to leave sarge :/ |
| 15:59.52 | undrdawg | well i think its saying "that video card doesnt exist" |
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| 16:00.04 | marco13185 | fridim, they have newer kernels for sarge |
| 16:00.14 | undrdawg | im sure i broke it running dpkg-reconfigure xf86-server |
| 16:00.24 | fridim | ah, you're talking about kernel, sorry. |
| 16:00.37 | ktwilight | unfortunately, you do need to get etch/sid to have it working :/ |
| 16:00.41 | ktwilight | yes... |
| 16:00.50 | marco13185 | fridim, kernel = linux |
| 16:00.59 | insidius | I need to install a new debian system. The thing is it only needs to run 2 game servers on it. Does the net install cd image install anything that is not really needed in this case? |
| 16:01.14 | fridim | marco13185, yep. |
| 16:01.17 | valdyn | ktwilight: no he doesnt need to get etch or sid to get rt2500 working |
| 16:01.28 | ktwilight | hmm...really... |
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| 16:01.35 | thingfish | insidius: the base install installs very little. |
| 16:01.43 | ktwilight | but at least a kernel upgrade? |
| 16:01.46 | undrdawg | i think the problem is, valdyn, it doesn't know how to get to 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RF/SG AGP |
| 16:01.52 | marco13185 | insidius, run in expert mode, it gives you more options for the install |
| 16:02.03 | valdyn | fridim: however i still didnt see you describe your actual problem |
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| 16:02.16 | marco13185 | fridim, pastebin the error |
| 16:02.18 | insidius | Ahh ok thats what i thought. I just wanted to make sure thats all. Cause i will need all the resources i can get from it |
| 16:02.24 | fridim | ok, i'll try |
| 16:02.36 | marco13185 | when m-a fails, VIEW the error, and SCROLL DOWN |
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| 16:03.30 | fridim | marco13185, yes, but the problem is when trying to copy it :-) |
| 16:03.42 | azeem | insidius: don't run expert mode |
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| 16:04.01 | insidius | Why not azeem? |
| 16:04.05 | azeem | insidius: just choose not to install any additional packages when it prompts you |
| 16:04.15 | azeem | insidius: because expert mode is unbearably verbose |
| 16:04.18 | goudkov | hi guys. i got a box with 1G ram and 680M is used for cache right now, and at the same time it does a lot of swapping. i set swappiness to 20, but it doesn't seem to help. |
| 16:04.32 | goudkov | is there a way to tune kernel to discard more of cache instead of swapping? |
| 16:04.34 | insidius | Ahh ok. Heh its funny in a way. I cant run my games natively on linux but i can run the servers for them on it |
| 16:05.09 | valdyn | goudkov: yes |
| 16:05.09 | azeem | goudkov: in general, Linux knows better than you what to do with the resources you have |
| 16:05.17 | fridim | here it is : http://pastebin.com/749261 |
| 16:05.21 | marco13185 | fridim, you can also change the debconf priority during the install |
| 16:05.29 | marco13185 | no I mean insidius |
| 16:05.40 | insidius | I assumed that marco :-) |
| 16:05.56 | onetinsoldier | insidius: i think that's vbecause a lot of ms windows games use direct x, and servers don't have to be programmed with direct x |
| 16:05.56 | owh | Greetings all. I have an ancient RedHat machine in Alaska. I'm in Australia and I need to rebuild it from here into Debian. I've been reading remote migration docs, but they're ancient. I'm not looking forward to doing a reboot and finding that I forgot something. Any pointers? |
| 16:05.57 | valdyn | goudkov: im not seeing recent 2.6 kernels do stupid swapping, but in any case you can tune it in either direction |
| 16:06.00 | goudkov | azeem: well, it swaps when there isn't much reading going on. i don't know what linux knows, but it could use the ram for the apps instead of keeping so much of the file data in cache. |
| 16:06.12 | goudkov | valdyn: how can i do that? |
| 16:06.21 | undrdawg | so anyone have a clue how to fix this? |
| 16:06.33 | undrdawg | the dpkg-configure just doesn't work |
| 16:06.34 | insidius | Oh i know thats the reason tin soldier. I just think that its a...how do i put this |
| 16:06.38 | valdyn | goudkov: are you sure you understand what swapping really technically means? |
| 16:06.53 | insidius | I dont know how to say it heh |
| 16:06.54 | valdyn | goudkov: _used_ apps arent swapped out unless you run _Really_ low on physical ram |
| 16:06.55 | ktwilight | there's no dpkg-configure command. :/ only dpkg --configure |
| 16:07.02 | goudkov | valdyn: storing pages of ram on the disk? |
| 16:07.16 | marco13185 | same with counter strike source |
| 16:07.19 | onetinsoldier | insidius: hehe.. i know what you mean. i find it funny too |
| 16:07.21 | marco13185 | they encourage everyone to run it on linux |
| 16:07.25 | insidius | yeah i cant explain it |
| 16:07.29 | marco13185 | *run the server |
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| 16:07.31 | valdyn | goudkov: linux maintains a usage count for memory pages, used pages dont get swapped |
| 16:07.36 | insidius | Yeah thats what i am going to be running is CS source |
| 16:07.42 | goudkov | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.48 | goudkov | here is a line from vmstat |
| 16:08.05 | goudkov | 710828 cache, and 4020 is si for that second |
| 16:08.07 | valdyn | goudkov: unless some app demands that much ram that linux is _forced_ to swap out used pages |
| 16:08.09 | goudkov | that's not normal |
| 16:08.17 | insidius | Heh my boss wanted me to use windows, but im just to use to debian as a server enviroment and for ease of use now |
| 16:08.24 | ktwilight | fridim, i had the exact problem. to which the maintainer told me to get a more recent kernel. |
| 16:08.24 | goudkov | why would it keep 710M of cache if some app needs ram? |
| 16:08.42 | valdyn | goudkov: why not? |
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| 16:09.00 | valdyn | goudkov: what does 'keep 710M of cache' really mean? |
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| 16:09.17 | fridim | I guess that the simplest way is to switch to etch and install rt2500 package. |
| 16:09.20 | ktwilight | i don't mind forwarding the email if you want fridim :) |
| 16:09.25 | insidius | oh sorry wrong window guys :-) |
| 16:09.26 | ktwilight | i guess. |
| 16:09.33 | goudkov | i start a process, and instead of using actual ram, it starts swapping things around instead of freeing some cache |
| 16:09.37 | ktwilight | but i would be pleased to hear an alternative method. |
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| 16:10.11 | valdyn | goudkov: which kernel are you using? |
| 16:10.21 | goudkov | 2.6.12 |
| 16:10.26 | fridim | ok, that what i was ready to do, but i wanted to try to install it in sarge. |
| 16:10.44 | goudkov | it doesn't make sense. whatever time could have been saved by keeping things in the cache is wasted by swapping |
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| 16:11.23 | valdyn | goudkov: tune this via /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 16:11.25 | goudkov | 20 |
| 16:11.27 | goudkov | was 60 |
| 16:11.32 | goudkov | didn't seem to help |
| 16:11.45 | ktwilight | look at line20 onwards fridim, it just won't work with that kernel. |
| 16:12.01 | valdyn | goudkov: im worried you're interpreting something wrong |
| 16:12.07 | goudkov | like what? |
| 16:12.16 | goudkov | i can't think of any reasonable explanation |
| 16:12.18 | valdyn | goudkov: unused is freed easily |
| 16:12.19 | ktwilight | anything after line 4 tells that it's using the existing kernel to do its work. |
| 16:12.23 | ktwilight | if i understand it correctly. |
| 16:12.32 | valdyn | goudkov: ( normally, im not sure whta you're encountering ) |
| 16:12.52 | ktwilight | correct me if i'm wrong. but you can upgrade your kernel yet stay on sarge for all the other files? |
| 16:12.55 | goudkov | valdyn: ok. i start a process that needs a lot of ram. and the kernel, instead of dropping cache, starts swapping to make some ram available for that process. |
| 16:12.56 | goudkov | why? |
| 16:13.07 | valdyn | goudkov: how much cache? |
| 16:13.10 | goudkov | 700M |
| 16:13.15 | valdyn | goudkov: compared to how much total ram? |
| 16:13.16 | goudkov | and total ram is 1G |
| 16:13.41 | fridim | ktwilight, i can, yes |
| 16:13.49 | valdyn | goudkov: run 'free' and show the output |
| 16:13.59 | valdyn | goudkov: that would indeed be funny behaviour |
| 16:14.09 | goudkov | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.09 | goudkov | Mem: 1036644 1020564 16080 0 32916 709928 |
| 16:14.09 | goudkov | -/+ buffers/cache: 277720 758924 |
| 16:14.09 | goudkov | Swap: 2706912 193476 2513436 |
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| 16:14.16 | goudkov | shit |
| 16:14.17 | ktwilight | then it's still good :) |
| 16:14.20 | goudkov | i'll post it |
| 16:14.23 | goudkov | hold on |
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| 16:14.34 | Serinity | Hi everyone :) What's a good disk surface testing software ? |
| 16:14.38 | ktwilight | i've heard that 2.6.16 isn't that good though. so stay off it. |
| 16:14.47 | ktwilight | some people say it worked, some said no. so...yea... |
| 16:14.54 | jones | works fine for me |
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| 16:14.58 | ktwilight | oh... |
| 16:15.08 | jones | on gentoo though woops wrong channel |
| 16:15.28 | goudkov | valdyn: here. http://www.goudkov.com/temp/linux.txt |
| 16:15.39 | goudkov | and below is a trace of vmstat when i start a process that needs ram |
| 16:15.41 | Serinity | 2.6.16 works here |
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| 16:16.38 | onetinsoldier | anyone know right offhand what the -g option does for gcc? |
| 16:16.57 | goudkov | gdb symbols |
| 16:17.04 | onetinsoldier | k.. thanks |
| 16:17.06 | marco13185 | after I've run ttmkfdir and mkfontdir, what's the last step to add the fonts to X? |
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| 16:17.16 | Serinity | Is there a utility like let's say testdisk that wouldest every single sector of the HD one by one in rw ? |
| 16:17.16 | valdyn | goudkov: 'swpd' is going _down_ though? |
| 16:17.38 | rabies | Serinity: surface test? |
| 16:17.42 | goudkov | valdyn: iot looks like it. but then is starts swapping out and it's back up |
| 16:17.52 | goudkov | valdyn: still, it really should just use some of the cache. |
| 16:18.02 | Serinity | rabies, i mean: Is there a utility like let's say testdisk that wouldest every single sector of the HD one by one in rw ? |
| 16:18.10 | thingfish | marco13185: what kind of fonts are you adding? and is this in gnome? |
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| 16:18.14 | Serinity | wouldest = would test |
| 16:18.17 | rabies | Serinity: first of all do you know what you want? |
| 16:18.22 | rabies | Serinity: and why do you want that? |
| 16:18.30 | marco13185 | thingfish, no, I'm using fluxbox, and they are ttf fonts |
| 16:18.37 | valdyn | goudkov: if /proc/sys/vm/swappiness doesnt help then i would use a different kernel, this is broken behaviour i would say |
| 16:18.42 | rene- | hey, does anybody know where did exim-tls went? or does exim4 package includes tls support and how can i enable it |
| 16:18.43 | Serinity | Because i have doubts about my hard drive.... What other reason could i have ? |
| 16:18.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | people, good people, Who could help me get an good tutorial abut setting up an printer server, with cups and samba? thx |
| 16:18.55 | valdyn | goudkov: but im not expert enough to tell you what exactly is going on |
| 16:19.00 | rabies | Serinity: you can use smartmontools to check the health of your harddrive |
| 16:19.14 | ktwilight | Serinity, get a diagnostic tool from your hdd manufacturer? |
| 16:19.16 | rabies | Serinity: and if you already know a program, why are you asking |
| 16:19.17 | goudkov | valdyn: hmm, is lowered swappiness. should i increase it? |
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| 16:19.22 | rabies | Serinity: or that even |
| 16:19.43 | thingfish | marco13185: don't know if it's gnome-specific, but I just put my ttfs in ~/.fonts. |
| 16:19.46 | valdyn | goudkov: less swappiness = keep less cache = use less swap |
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| 16:19.56 | marco13185 | thingfish, and they just work? |
| 16:19.57 | Serinity | rabies, one of us must be laggingf |
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| 16:20.01 | marco13185 | thingfish, do you have to restart X? |
| 16:20.05 | thingfish | marco13185: yes, instantly. |
| 16:20.05 | cahoot | DJ-Marcuzz: the server being a win system? |
| 16:20.09 | thingfish | marco13185: no |
| 16:20.10 | rabies | Serinity: .. |
| 16:20.14 | goudkov | valdyn: yeah, that's what i thought. but it wasa at 60, and i had 500M of cache. not it's at 20 and i have 700M of cache |
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| 16:20.19 | goudkov | valdyn: that doesn't make sense |
| 16:20.32 | DJ-Marcuzz | cahoot, no debian, the client are linux (gentoo, debian) and windows 98 to xp |
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| 16:20.48 | marco13185 | thingfish, but my X starts as root, because I use GDM. In which home dir do I put it? |
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| 16:21.11 | valdyn | goudkov: try a new kernel, if that doesnt fix it you should probably ask a kernel channel / forum |
| 16:21.12 | thingfish | marco13185: whichever user you normally are. |
| 16:21.21 | marco13185 | ok |
| 16:21.24 | cahoot | DJ-Marcuzz: already tried this? http://www.linuxprinting.org/till/printing-tutorial/tut.html |
| 16:21.37 | thingfish | marco13185: X should not start as root simply because you're using gdm. |
| 16:21.43 | goudkov | valdyn: ok, cool. |
| 16:21.47 | thingfish | or I'm not understanding. |
| 16:21.53 | marco13185 | thingfish, GDM uses X, GDM must be run as root |
| 16:21.56 | marco13185 | what do you mean? |
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| 16:22.04 | nyarla | DJ-Marcuzz: http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ |
| 16:22.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | cahoot, not yet, time to try :D |
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| 16:23.04 | thingfish | marco13185: I thought you were meaning that your only gdm login option is to log in as root. |
| 16:23.09 | marco13185 | no |
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| 16:27.28 | marco13185 | thingfish, <3 |
| 16:27.31 | jplibre | what's the usual culprit when you can open up an X window via ssh but the window never gets filled with anything? |
| 16:27.33 | thingfish | cool |
| 16:27.52 | jplibre | I have X11 forwarding enabled, and it is getting back to the X server |
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| 16:28.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | Your distribution's printer setup tool <<<--- whats that in debian? |
| 16:28.03 | marco13185 | jplibre, ssh is for command line really |
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| 16:28.14 | jplibre | marco13185: no, you misunderstand |
| 16:28.16 | marco13185 | if you REALLY want X remotely, just get VNC jplibre |
| 16:28.21 | jplibre | Um, no |
| 16:28.30 | marco13185 | jplibre, I know about X11 forwarding |
| 16:28.35 | jplibre | so do I |
| 16:28.41 | jplibre | and this is a very common, normal usage |
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| 16:29.07 | marco13185 | brb |
| 16:29.09 | jplibre | I've been doing this for about 15 years, starting on Ultrix systems |
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| 16:29.24 | jplibre | well, back then it was via telnet |
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| 16:30.17 | jplibre | anyway - can open up the X window on the server, but it never gets filled with any content. Anyone recall what causes this? I know I've fixed it before. |
| 16:30.24 | nyarla | jplibre: you use xdmcp ? |
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| 16:30.28 | mike-e | when configuring xserver-xorg what kind of mouse would typically categorize a usb logitec lazer mouse? |
| 16:30.36 | mike-e | i mean the mouse port |
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| 16:30.52 | jplibre | nyarla: Nope |
| 16:31.22 | nyarla | what's the easier to setup? ssh with x11 fwrding, xdmcp or vnc? |
| 16:31.24 | cahoot | mike-e: thinking of /dev/input/mice? |
| 16:31.41 | jplibre | nyarla: vnc and X11 forwarding are very different things |
| 16:32.05 | mike-e | cahoot yeah i tried that but x dies when it tries to invoke it |
| 16:32.08 | rabies | nyarla: for what |
| 16:32.09 | jplibre | VNC if you have windows systems I guess .. I've never liked the windows X servers |
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| 16:32.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | whats an verry smalwweb browser for linux? (with gui) |
| 16:32.21 | jplibre | X11 forwarding if you have X running |
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| 16:32.38 | jplibre | DJ-Marcuzz: firefox is pretty small, really |
| 16:32.40 | nyarla | i need to allow windows machine to act as x-terminals |
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| 16:32.45 | marco13185 | I was never able to get X11 forwarding on OS X, even when using apple's X11and Xterm |
| 16:32.46 | spart | Anyone know of a good howto on how to get java 1.5 installed on debian? blackdown has 1.4 but i'd like 1.5 |
| 16:32.46 | rabies | DJ-Marcuzz: links2 -g |
| 16:33.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | rabies, ist in de apt i hope? |
| 16:33.09 | morten | is there any compelling reason not to download applications from CPAN? |
| 16:33.10 | Ronin | !java |
| 16:33.10 | dpkg | somebody said java was Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 16:33.15 | rabies | DJ-Marcuzz: links2 is in apt |
| 16:33.36 | onetinsoldier | spart: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 16:33.47 | marco13185 | Java is already in Sid |
| 16:33.52 | jplibre | nyarla: check out xwin32 then |
| 16:34.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | rabies, its just for some cups configuring |
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| 16:34.11 | rabies | DJ-Marcuzz: oh, yeah, links2 will work |
| 16:34.12 | jplibre | nyarla: or there may be another windows X server these days. |
| 16:34.14 | nyarla | i thougth about cygwin, need to test it |
| 16:34.18 | rabies | DJ-Marcuzz: well i dunno |
| 16:34.25 | rabies | DJ-Marcuzz: worth a shot i suppose |
| 16:34.39 | morten | i just downloaded spamassassin using cpan (following a howto). i've never used cpan, and i'm just curious to know whether that might have been a fuckup on my part or not. any reason not to use cpan? |
| 16:34.39 | onetinsoldier | spart: hello? |
| 16:34.39 | rabies | nyarla: you want to make windows thin clients? |
| 16:34.45 | DJ-Marcuzz | rabies, ill tell you in 1 min ;) |
| 16:34.45 | nyarla | yep |
| 16:35.17 | rabies | DJ-Marcuzz: =D |
| 16:35.23 | rabies | nyarla: then why not just install a linux thin client? |
| 16:35.36 | rabies | nyarla: http://www.2x.com/pxes/ |
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| 16:36.22 | mike-e | bleh why does xorg have problems with a usb optical mouse but xfree86 doesn't |
| 16:36.37 | marco13185 | mike-e, I run my optical mouse fine |
| 16:36.37 | DJ-Marcuzz | rabies, it works fine :D :D |
| 16:36.44 | onetinsoldier | mike-e: i don't have problems |
| 16:36.49 | rabies | DJ-Marcuzz: nice |
| 16:36.49 | mike-e | marc what port do you set it |
| 16:36.52 | ktwilight | mine works find mike-e |
| 16:37.04 | nyarla | thanks rabies, very interesting |
| 16:37.09 | marco13185 | ExplorerPS/2 |
| 16:37.15 | marco13185 | and /dev/input/mice |
| 16:37.18 | morten | is there any reason not to use CPAN? |
| 16:37.21 | rabies | nyarla: np |
| 16:37.26 | mike-e | hm |
| 16:37.26 | mike-e | ok |
| 16:37.31 | rabies | morten: i think you can d/l a lot of the packages as .debs |
| 16:37.54 | morten | rabies - is that advantageous or disadvantageous in some way? |
| 16:38.10 | rabies | morten: well its managed by dpkg instead of CPAN |
| 16:38.21 | rabies | morten: so it'll show up if you need it as a dependency for a package |
| 16:38.40 | morten | any point is uninstalling the CPAN packages I have and installing debs instead? |
| 16:38.55 | rabies | not unless you have problems |
| 16:38.56 | mike-e | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't allow me to select explorer ps/2 |
| 16:39.05 | morten | ok. i'll leave it as be, then |
| 16:39.10 | rabies | but if you are asking you probably do |
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| 16:39.13 | morten | i don't think any programs depend on spamassassin, anyway |
| 16:39.26 | morten | rabies - no. i'm just cautious, since i'm unfamiliar with cpan. |
| 16:39.30 | ktwilight | mike-e manually configure it :) |
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| 16:39.44 | mike-e | ktwilight where is the config file? |
| 16:40.01 | CosmoDad | I'm looking for a system configuration tool like cfengine but I'm not sure whether I should use cfengine itself or one of its alternatives... can anyone give a recommendation? |
| 16:40.02 | marco13185 | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:40.09 | marco13185 | if you're running sid |
| 16:40.10 | rabies | morten: a good number of e-mail scanners and clients do depend on it |
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| 16:40.25 | rabies | morten: honestly though i dont have much experience w/ CPAN either |
| 16:40.31 | morten | rabies: how would i remove the cpan module, if i am to install the deb module? |
| 16:40.41 | rabies | morten: like i said, i dont have much experience w/ CPAN |
| 16:40.46 | morten | :( |
| 16:40.48 | morten | anyone? |
| 16:40.53 | ktwilight | it is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for etch too |
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| 16:41.17 | Tassium | http://www.cpan.org/misc/cpan-faq.html#How_delete_Perl_modules |
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| 16:41.42 | ktwilight | rabies, best is to do a aptitude search <package> and see if there is one of the perl module that you awnted. |
| 16:42.04 | morten | rabies: thanks Tassium |
| 16:42.08 | morten | oops |
| 16:42.13 | rabies | ktwilight: wrong person |
| 16:42.15 | zenwryly | how do I change the prompting level for dpkg -i operations? |
| 16:42.49 | ktwilight | oops :/ |
| 16:43.02 | morten | Tassium: since i'm installing the same program from apt-get, would that just place all the same files in all the same locations? could i just overwrite the cpan module without experiencing any bad things? |
| 16:43.21 | Tassium | morten: I don't know, I also don't use CPAN |
| 16:43.33 | morten | hm...anyone know? |
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| 16:44.04 | rabies | morten: lets just say...no |
| 16:44.12 | rabies | morten: because thats a bad idea no matter how you look at it |
| 16:44.50 | Jeriko-- | hi |
| 16:44.54 | rabies | morten: thats like coating your precious BLT with hot sauce and hoping to remove it later |
| 16:45.13 | morten | right. might be a bad idea. |
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| 16:45.26 | thingfish | mmm that doesn't sound too bad actually. |
| 16:46.20 | Jeriko-- | anyone's experienced that strange behaviour on thinkpad's where numlock is enabled when there's traffic on an network interface? |
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| 16:46.59 | RichiH | Jeriko--: not here |
| 16:47.03 | RichiH | definately not so |
| 16:47.05 | RichiH | ;) |
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| 16:47.19 | Jeriko-- | argh |
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| 16:47.41 | Jeriko-- | <- t42 here, whenever there's traffic on a networ2 device, the numpad is enabled for this time |
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| 16:47.54 | Jeriko-- | extremely annoying when you want to type some text or so0ething else |
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| 16:48.16 | ferris_ | is 2.6.8-3 the newest kernel for (intel based) systems? |
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| 16:49.20 | ferris_ | also apt-get dist-upgrade does a complete upgrade for the system.... is this the correct command? |
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| 16:49.57 | ktwilight | you need to apt-get update first though |
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| 16:51.53 | ferris_ | ok, thanks... i did that |
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| 16:52.10 | mike-e | anyone know why my mouse would work on a sarge installation, then when I upgrade to etch it would just stop? |
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| 16:53.41 | mike-e | ... |
| 16:53.44 | shaibn | hi |
| 16:54.18 | ktwilight | i'm just guessing here, did ya upgrade xorg too? |
| 16:54.30 | mike-e | well there is no xorg for sarge |
| 16:54.34 | mike-e | and now i am using xorg |
| 16:54.37 | mike-e | so yes |
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| 16:54.51 | ktwilight | didn't know that haha |
| 16:55.26 | dacu | have u tryed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 16:55.31 | mike-e | yes |
| 16:55.54 | mike-e | for some reason x dies when it tries to invoke the mouse |
| 16:56.00 | mike-e | it's a usb optical mouse |
| 16:56.14 | dacu | mine too :) |
| 16:56.17 | cahoot | mike-e: no possibility of faulty hw? |
| 16:56.20 | dacu | and works fine |
| 16:56.36 | mike-e | cahoot: possible, highly unlikely. |
| 16:56.40 | mike-e | dacu: congrats |
| 16:56.49 | dacu | :d |
| 16:56.52 | cahoot | mike-e: xorg.log gives nothing? |
| 16:57.02 | karlpinc | When mirroring a debian archive is there a worthwhile amount of space to be saved by making the e3fs block size 1K? |
| 16:57.30 | marco13185 | karlpinc, there are A LOT of small packages |
| 16:57.55 | mike-e | cahoot : where's xorg.log kept? |
| 16:58.00 | mike-e | i can't find it in /etc/X11 |
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| 16:58.12 | ktwilight | it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:58.14 | cahoot | mike-e: logs are in /var/log |
| 16:58.28 | karlpinc | macro13185: And small.dsc files in the source. But is it worth it and if so what's the default inode to byte ratio so I can adjust appropriately? |
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| 16:59.02 | mike-e | Cannot open input device /dev/input/ice |
| 16:59.06 | mike-e | Cannot open input device /dev/input/,mice |
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| 16:59.16 | mike-e | I would paste it verbatim but my mouse doesn't work =o |
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| 16:59.28 | marco13185 | heh |
| 16:59.42 | mike-e | i tried /dev/psaux but i don't know what that is really |
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| 17:00.07 | mike-e | so if it's a usb optical, and it wouldn't fall under /dev/input/mice, what would it be |
| 17:00.10 | marco13185 | mike-e, unplug and replug your mouse and see what dmesg say |
| 17:00.12 | hunterp_ | i tried reinstalling apache and i get Not replacing deleted config file /etc/apache/httpd.conf but i want the original conf files why isnt it installing them |
| 17:00.16 | mike-e | ok |
| 17:00.57 | karlpinc | hunterp_: You have to purge as well as deinstall to get the old config files to go away. |
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| 17:01.46 | Sharjeel | hi guys, |
| 17:01.54 | Sharjeel | i keep on having problems |
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| 17:02.00 | Sharjeel | kopete keeps crashing |
| 17:02.12 | Sharjeel | my linux keepsd crashing 9PClinuxOS) |
| 17:02.12 | onetinsoldier | mike-e: try /dev/input/fubar ...lol |
| 17:02.14 | Sharjeel | etc |
| 17:02.21 | Sharjeel | atm my desktop is dead lol |
| 17:02.22 | mike-e | ok it disconnected address 2 but reconnected to address 3 and says device 3 (vend/prod 0x46d/0xc00e) is not claimed by any active driver |
| 17:02.36 | mike-e | what? |
| 17:02.38 | Sharjeel | is it a problem with the linux im using or is this expected on all linux? |
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| 17:02.58 | onetinsoldier | mike-e: it was a little joke.. never heard of fubar? |
| 17:03.02 | karlpinc | marco13185: Ok. I did the math. Assume 20,000 debian packages, call it 4 files per package, say that 1/2 of the last block of each is wasted, that's 2K. So it's only wasting 160M. |
| 17:03.03 | Ronin | Sharjeel: best to ask int teh pclinux channel |
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| 17:03.05 | cahoot | mike-e: missing some kernel module? |
| 17:03.06 | Sharjeel | (may be its because o the distro i using?) |
| 17:03.21 | mike-e | cahoot : maybe, although it wasn't missing with sarge |
| 17:03.26 | ktwilight | :/ |
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| 17:03.31 | undrdawg | (EE) R128(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. |
| 17:03.47 | undrdawg | is what xinit gives me now |
| 17:04.10 | undrdawg | WTF |
| 17:04.33 | karlpinc | marco13185: So that's conserevsative. You might possibly save 1.6G if I'm off by a factor of 10. |
| 17:04.33 | ktwilight | you have dri module loaded in xorg.conf, just unload it....? |
| 17:04.42 | undrdawg | i really wish i could get X to run |
| 17:05.13 | ktwilight | undrdawg, just unload dri in xorg.conf |
| 17:05.20 | ktwilight | may work...? |
| 17:05.26 | undrdawg | i just loaded all the ones the config decided it should load by default |
| 17:05.29 | undrdawg | but it starts to run |
| 17:05.58 | undrdawg | well im using xf86 still but ok i will try it |
| 17:06.03 | onetinsoldier | undrdawg: have you got your monitor's hsync and vsync ranges set in the config file? |
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| 17:06.27 | undrdawg | ya that was next on the list |
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| 17:06.39 | undrdawg | but i copied the values from monitorworld.com |
| 17:06.49 | undrdawg | maybe it doesn't like floating point numbers? |
| 17:06.50 | onetinsoldier | undrdawg: are they in there yet? |
| 17:06.56 | undrdawg | is what in where? |
| 17:07.11 | onetinsoldier | did you put them in the config file yet? |
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| 17:07.30 | onetinsoldier | the hsynch and vsync ranges |
| 17:07.38 | undrdawg | yes |
| 17:07.42 | onetinsoldier | ok... |
| 17:07.43 | undrdawg | but i was thinking |
| 17:08.00 | undrdawg | there was a list of preset refresh rates |
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| 17:08.07 | undrdawg | i had to choose the "other" setting |
| 17:08.10 | marco13185 | what file would I have to edit to use a static IP instead of DHCP? |
| 17:08.16 | undrdawg | i'll just try with a preset |
| 17:08.23 | undrdawg | that is in range |
| 17:08.23 | Tassium | marco13185: Try /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:08.41 | jbs | I like floating point numbers, such that they are normalized and smaller than 2^-52. |
| 17:08.50 | jones | what is better LPI linux+ or RHCT? |
| 17:09.00 | lostson_ | LPI |
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| 17:09.30 | fridim | to migrate from sarge to etch cleanly, s/stable/etch in sources.list + aptitude dist-upgrade is enougth ? |
| 17:09.46 | maxweber | jones, you have to know what you need |
| 17:09.47 | fridim | (aptitude update of course) |
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| 17:09.59 | azeem | fridim: check the release notes |
| 17:10.01 | FinnTux | howcome there is KDE .3.53 in unstable. nothing at kde.org |
| 17:10.02 | fridim | ok |
| 17:10.06 | valdyn | fridim: its not really supported, it may break, you may loose applications you do need when doing that |
| 17:10.06 | azeem | eh, if there are any already |
| 17:10.06 | FinnTux | 3.5.3* |
| 17:10.12 | marco13185 | FinnTux, heh |
| 17:10.19 | valdyn | fridim: but its the right way |
| 17:10.42 | at0m|c | marco13185, check /etc/network/interfaces or man interfaces |
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| 17:11.31 | at0m|c | marco13185, oops, you had a reply already :o |
| 17:11.40 | marco13185 | heh |
| 17:11.43 | marco13185 | ty anyways |
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| 17:12.02 | borondil | /help |
| 17:12.05 | Tassium | at0m|c: Better to have 2 replies than none.. |
| 17:12.15 | at0m|c | :) |
| 17:12.16 | Ronin | borondil: just state the problem/ask the question |
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| 17:12.26 | Ronin | or you can leave, that works too |
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| 17:13.55 | _tmx_dt2 | yo can any1 help me with my alienware laptop. i'm booted in knoppix std and my c:\ is now my optical drive. i fear my NTFS primary hard drive is corrupt.. it was labeled 2:1 in a alienwares system restore program??? i need help backing up sensitive files. |
| 17:14.28 | pumpkin0 | genereal linux: which device-node in/under /dev or /proc represents the keyboard ? |
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| 17:14.36 | Maulkin | _tmx_dt2: Try #knoppix |
| 17:14.56 | undrdawg | maybe my mouse doesnt work? |
| 17:15.02 | _tmx_dt2 | i'm actually on the knoppix channel and nobody is responding |
| 17:15.02 | undrdawg | err |
| 17:15.04 | undrdawg | it works |
| 17:15.13 | undrdawg | but i pointed it at /dev/psaux |
| 17:15.17 | ktwilight | haah |
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| 17:16.01 | mike-e | is there a module that is to be installed for usb mouses? |
| 17:16.05 | Maulkin | _tmx_dt2: Well, we can't help, sorry |
| 17:16.17 | teledyn_ | how to know if the path for a .so in an ldd listing for a binary is hardcoded in the binary, or was obtained another way? |
| 17:16.37 | pumpkin0 | mike-e: usbhid for starters |
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| 17:17.12 | teledyn_ | LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 17:17.13 | omry | anyone got the latest nvidia drivers in etch to work with 7900GT? |
| 17:17.15 | morten | i'm trying to uninstall a perl module here. i've looked up how on the cpan faq, but when i run 'perl -w' it freezes indefinitely. what to do? |
| 17:17.34 | Maulkin | teledyn_: IIRC, it's loaded at run time. |
| 17:17.50 | Maulkin | morten: Erm... how are you trying to remove it? apt-get remove? |
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| 17:18.15 | morten | Maulkin: i'm not trying to remove perl. i'm trying to remove a program i installed with CPAN. i.e a perl module |
| 17:18.26 | stew | morten: yikes, you shouldn't be using cpan on debian but dh-make-perl |
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| 17:18.29 | Maulkin | morten: Ahh. Cause in Debian we package perl modules |
| 17:18.33 | undrdawg | how long did it take you people to get X running on debian |
| 17:18.34 | undrdawg | honestly |
| 17:18.43 | Maulkin | morten: I'd try #perl to be honest. |
| 17:18.47 | morten | Maulkin: thanks |
| 17:18.55 | Tassium | morten: That's the only thing you typed? "perl -w" ? |
| 17:18.55 | Maulkin | undrdawg: about 20 seconds. It just worked. |
| 17:19.02 | Ronin | undrdawg: bout 2 minutes |
| 17:19.07 | undrdawg | lucky for you |
| 17:19.16 | Ronin | little longer the first time on woody mind you |
| 17:19.21 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: worked out-of-the-box in standardconfig and about 2 hours to get it "right" |
| 17:19.22 | marco13185 | undrdawg, I installed with it, it just worked, but then I changed the settings to get nvidia acceleration and nview and higher res |
| 17:19.30 | Maulkin | Yeah. Took a while in woody |
| 17:19.40 | Maulkin | undrdawg: Tell us your problem. |
| 17:19.54 | r3tex | what is the best way to "mirror" data on one disk to another empty one |
| 17:20.11 | pumpkin0 | r3tex: umount the drive and dd it over |
| 17:20.12 | Maulkin | r3tex: rsync? |
| 17:20.13 | RichiH | r3tex: are they exactly the same disks? |
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| 17:20.19 | Tassium | r3tex: You mean an entire disk, including partition tables & such? Or just the data? |
| 17:20.24 | undrdawg | I try to startx and i get a "out of frequency range" msg from the monitor |
| 17:20.25 | RichiH | or are you using xfs? |
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| 17:20.35 | mike-e | hmm |
| 17:20.39 | Maulkin | undrdawg: Are you running Sarge? |
| 17:20.42 | r3tex | RichiH, yeah |
| 17:20.44 | teledyn_ | what is nview? |
| 17:20.46 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: did you change something in your xorg/xfree-config ? |
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| 17:20.49 | undrdawg | which basically doesn't exactly mean "out of frequency range" but more "something is fucked up" |
| 17:20.52 | RichiH | r3tex: to xfs or to the same disks? |
| 17:20.56 | undrdawg | nope |
| 17:20.58 | onetinsoldier | undrdawg:a couple of days. it was until a fellow with the nick of 'cureless' took a look at my log and suggested that i try the following option... Option "MergedFB" "false" |
| 17:21.20 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: can you post your xorg/xfree-config and the log somethere ? |
| 17:21.24 | Maulkin | undrdawg: nope to what? :) |
| 17:21.30 | jones | undrdawg did you switch your monitor? |
| 17:21.34 | r3tex | RichiH, I have a new computer that i want to have the same exact install on |
| 17:21.42 | Maulkin | ooh, my train is here. No more free wifi for me. |
| 17:21.42 | undrdawg | nope i didnt manually edit anything |
| 17:21.43 | Maulkin | Laters |
| 17:21.43 | r3tex | RichiH, both are identical |
| 17:21.50 | undrdawg | sure |
| 17:21.51 | undrdawg | !paste |
| 17:21.51 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:22.03 | Tassium | r3tex: So the disks aren't in the same machine? Can you put them in the same machine? |
| 17:22.11 | r3tex | Tassium, right now they are |
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| 17:22.20 | r3tex | Tassium, yeah both are on the same machine |
| 17:22.26 | RichiH | r3tex: unmount, dd if=/dev/hdX of=/dev/hdY |
| 17:22.30 | Tassium | r3tex: Then boot a livecd or rescue disk, and use dd |
| 17:22.42 | RichiH | or mount -o ro / |
| 17:22.49 | r3tex | RichiH, will that copy everything including partition tables and boot sector? |
| 17:22.50 | RichiH | then you do not have to reboot or unmount it |
| 17:22.54 | RichiH | r3tex: yes |
| 17:23.04 | r3tex | RichiH, nice :) thanx |
| 17:23.09 | RichiH | de nada |
| 17:23.25 | Tassium | r3tex: For future reference, that assumes the drives are identical |
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| 17:23.44 | pumpkin0 | mike-e: usbhid for starters |
| 17:23.45 | undrdawg | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 17:23.54 | mike-e | pumpkin0 : ? |
| 17:23.54 | fridim | arg |
| 17:23.58 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: which number ? |
| 17:24.01 | undrdawg | oops |
| 17:24.07 | mike-e | pumpkin0 xorg log says /dev/input/mouse no such device |
| 17:24.12 | pumpkin0 | mike-e: didnßt you ask about USB-moice a second ago .. |
| 17:24.13 | undrdawg | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2694 |
| 17:24.15 | fridim | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. [break] lupin# aptitude update [breack] aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5.so.3.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or dir |
| 17:24.16 | mike-e | yessir |
| 17:24.24 | undrdawg | it hangs there |
| 17:24.36 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: hold on a sec ... |
| 17:25.09 | undrdawg | also |
| 17:25.10 | undrdawg | doom:/etc/X11# uname -r |
| 17:25.10 | undrdawg | 2.4.27-3-686 |
| 17:25.11 | mike-e | why would xorg say /dev/input/mice doesn't exist |
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| 17:25.33 | jones | because it doesnt. |
| 17:25.36 | abrotman | modprobe mousedev |
| 17:25.38 | stew | mike-e: because it doesn't. modprobe mousedev ; annd put mousedev into /etc/modules |
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| 17:26.39 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: can you post /var/log/xfree86.0.log ? |
| 17:26.47 | undrdawg | ok |
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| 17:27.28 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: and "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" ... |
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| 17:28.03 | mike-e | ok |
| 17:28.10 | r3tex | RichiH, it's not very verbose :P |
| 17:28.14 | r3tex | will it take long time? |
| 17:28.20 | RichiH | r3tex: nope, it's not |
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| 17:28.44 | Tassium | r3tex: Depends on the amount of data that needs to be copied and the hardware. Go grab a coffee.. |
| 17:28.45 | pumpkin0 | r3tex: max speed of the slowes disc / size of you disc. |
| 17:29.05 | RichiH | r3tex: ps aux | grep dd |
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| 17:29.19 | RichiH | then put the PID of dd into `kill -SIGUSR1 $PID` |
| 17:29.21 | Anthro | I can't seem to get to bugs.debian.org. Is this a known issue, or is it just me? |
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| 17:29.46 | r3tex | Tassium, heh allright ;P |
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| 17:29.49 | stew | Anthro: it's known, wiki,bugs are both down |
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| 17:30.02 | Anthro | stew: Ah. Bummer. |
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| 17:30.13 | maxweber | Andon, not only you |
| 17:30.20 | shaibn | Hi :) after installing debian using debootstrap, just after it says that it is starting the cron service it gets stuck and then says: init ID "x" respawning to fast ; any ideas how I can trouble shoot this? i'm booting into runlevel 2 at this time and the install was using knoppix. |
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| 17:30.58 | granden | What version of Ruby and Rails do I get with debian stable through apt? |
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| 17:31.33 | Tassium | granden: use apt-cache to find out |
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| 17:31.57 | mike-e | ok added mousedev to /etc/modules, rebooted |
| 17:31.58 | mike-e | no go |
| 17:32.03 | mike-e | but i left psmouse in there |
| 17:32.05 | mike-e | should i remove it? |
| 17:32.05 | stew | granden: rails isn't in sarge, check to see if its available from backports.org |
| 17:32.11 | stew | mike-e: leave it |
| 17:32.17 | pumpkin0 | mike-e: usb-mouse ? => usbhid loaded ? |
| 17:32.31 | Sharjeel | can linux install OSX software? |
| 17:32.32 | mike-e | pumpkin0 how can i check? |
| 17:32.51 | mhall | Sharjeel: mol on a ppc mac, i'm not sure on an intel mac |
| 17:32.52 | pumpkin0 | mike-e: lsmod | grep usbhid |
| 17:32.53 | stew | mike-e: you don't need usbhid if you are still getting an error about /dev/input/mice |
| 17:32.58 | insidius | Would software raid be at all usefull on a debian gaming server? |
| 17:33.02 | stew | mike-e: did you actually "modprobe mousedev" or just edit /etc/modules ? |
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| 17:33.09 | mike-e | stew i have it set back to /dev/input/mice and xorg starts |
| 17:33.12 | mike-e | so that's a plus |
| 17:33.16 | mike-e | didn't check log tho |
| 17:33.19 | mike-e | but before it just died |
| 17:33.30 | stew | mike-e: so what exactly is the problem now? |
| 17:33.39 | mike-e | stew i did modprobe mousedev then added mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 17:33.41 | RichiH | r3tex: do what i told you and it will tell you :) |
| 17:33.45 | mike-e | the mouse doesn't work is the problem |
| 17:34.00 | azeem | but X starts up fine? |
| 17:34.19 | stew | mike-e: in that case, yeah, make sure usbhid and usbmouse are also loaded |
| 17:34.21 | granden | stew: Ok |
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| 17:34.44 | mike-e | stew: so add that do /etc/modules? |
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| 17:34.51 | mike-e | yeah x starts fine now |
| 17:34.59 | stew | mike-e: yes |
| 17:35.01 | mike-e | and i have the ps/2 mouse plugged in still should i remove it? |
| 17:35.03 | undrdawg | its really big |
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| 17:35.08 | undrdawg | where can i ftp the log? |
| 17:35.16 | undrdawg | my scrollback is too big |
| 17:35.21 | mike-e | ok brb |
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| 17:35.34 | undrdawg | i'll just rename it to something and start a fresh log i guess |
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| 17:36.06 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: OK, search lines starting with (WW) and (EE) and post them. Or start with /etc/X11/XF86config ... |
| 17:36.10 | stew | hmm we need to edit the paster code to allow a file upload possibly |
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| 17:36.47 | stew | undrdawg: you could also use "w3m http://channels.debian.net/paster" and hit enter on the Big Box, which will start an editor |
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| 17:37.19 | mike-e | ok cool it works, thanks guys |
| 17:37.45 | undrdawg | w3m command not found |
| 17:37.54 | stew | undrdawg: you'd have to install it |
| 17:37.55 | mike-e | btw should I have any other repositories in sources.list other than the default ones that debian installs? |
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| 17:38.12 | stew | mike-e: not until you find something that you want that debian doesn't distribute |
| 17:38.26 | mike-e | ok cool |
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| 17:39.34 | mike-e | ok one more question, when i configured xserver-xorg i set it to do 1600x1024 but it won't do any more than 1024x768, any ideas? |
| 17:39.51 | pumpkin0 | Which devicefile in/under /dev or /procor /sys represents the keyboard ? i need to log ALL keystrokes, yet better everything the keyboard sends. (it's USB btw) |
| 17:39.58 | shaibn | stew, any idea on my problem? |
| 17:40.01 | shaibn | maybe :) |
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| 17:43.24 | stew | shaibn: it actually says 'ID "x"' ? dunno what that might be |
| 17:43.33 | stew | shaibn: have you tried runlevel 1? |
| 17:44.23 | valdyn | pumpkin0: /dev/input/event0 maybe |
| 17:44.32 | shaibn | stew, i have not ... |
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| 17:45.10 | pumpkin0 | nope. and it's solved, i found a way via xev and some filtering. Thx. |
| 17:45.10 | shaibn | stew, i did notice that it gets stuck right after it finishes running all the files in /etc/rd2.d/* |
| 17:45.55 | stew | shaibn: this is sarge? |
| 17:46.00 | shaibn | yes. |
| 17:46.02 | valdyn | pumpkin0: xev does something entirely different |
| 17:46.14 | undrdawg | ok here's the log |
| 17:46.30 | undrdawg | http://members.tripod.com/homeslicede/XFree86.0.log |
| 17:46.41 | undrdawg | the config on the way |
| 17:46.43 | shaibn | stew, yes. |
| 17:46.59 | undrdawg | dammit |
| 17:47.03 | undrdawg | tripod broke it |
| 17:47.04 | stew | shaibn: is it possible that /dev is not populated? |
| 17:47.24 | undrdawg | where can i get a free ftp accnt ? |
| 17:47.25 | stew | undrdawg: its fine if you view source |
| 17:47.29 | shaibn | stew, yes. how can i check (via knoppix and then being chrooted ...) |
| 17:47.40 | valdyn | undrdawg: on your own server |
| 17:47.55 | undrdawg | good call |
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| 17:48.02 | undrdawg | ok here comes the log |
| 17:48.06 | pumpkin0 | xev does put out all key-pressed and releases. (and a lot ofother stuff). i can filter out everything but the keys. |
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| 17:48.27 | valdyn | pumpkin0: no it doesnt, see 'man xev' for what it does |
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| 17:48.58 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: your file it not broken, your browser cannot cope with newlines ... |
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| 17:49.25 | undrdawg | http://members.tripod.com/homeslicede/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:49.25 | nono31 | hi |
| 17:50.14 | nono31 | every time I reboot, it changes my time! (means taht my mb is at the right time, but linux changes it to time - 3 (that would be my timezone) at every reboot) How I fix this? |
| 17:50.28 | Ronin | tzconfig |
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| 17:50.34 | Azar | an AMD Sempron 3100 will still show as a k7 on a kernel arch choice? |
| 17:50.41 | valdyn | pumpkin0: nonsense, that file's mimetype is text/html |
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| 17:50.57 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: under "Section "Monitor"" remove the 2 lines "HorizSync" and "VertRefresh" |
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| 17:51.06 | stew | nono31: do you live in GMT+-3? |
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| 17:51.15 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: and wget plus less just work fine |
| 17:51.23 | stew | nono31: try toggling the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 17:52.13 | nono31 | stew: yeap I live GMT-3 |
| 17:52.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | im getting havely irritated that i cant get it done in 3 days to set up and **** printer server with samba, the printer server works and there is no real up2dat tutorial :( |
| 17:52.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | i followed 3 tutoriials in those days :S |
| 17:53.22 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: and your 3D is going to be really slow. |
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| 17:53.28 | shaibn | stew, yes. how can i check (via knoppix and then being chrooted ...) |
| 17:53.30 | nono31 | stew: thanks... it was set at UTC=yes... the weird thing is that I remember that I choosed no during the install |
| 17:53.30 | Ronin | nono31: so you dont want the computer to show -3? |
| 17:54.01 | at0m|c | DJ-Marcuzz, did you check debian-administration.org ? |
| 17:54.39 | undrdawg | i did not set those values pumpkin |
| 17:54.50 | stew | shaibn: what does "ls /dev | wc -l" return? |
| 17:54.51 | undrdawg | i ran the xf86config |
| 17:54.58 | undrdawg | and specified else |
| 17:55.04 | valdyn | !drxx undrdawg |
| 17:55.04 | dpkg | undrdawg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 17:55.14 | shaibn | stew, within knoppix or chroot ? |
| 17:55.14 | undrdawg | i did that too |
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| 17:55.27 | valdyn | undrdawg: and read <xmd5> ? |
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| 17:55.31 | stew | shaibn: in the chroot |
| 17:55.43 | undrdawg | !xmd5 |
| 17:55.44 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 17:55.48 | shaibn | stew, 100 |
| 17:56.01 | r3tex | Tassium, this is taking for ever :'( |
| 17:56.19 | r3tex | Tassium, hehe, i'm being payed for it but my boss is sitting next to me =/ |
| 17:56.25 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: these values are tooo looowwww for your monitor and the init fails badly. |
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| 17:56.34 | Tassium | r3tex: Ooooh, is he reading this? |
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| 17:56.58 | r3tex | Tassium, my resolution is too high ;) |
| 17:56.59 | r3tex | i hope not |
| 17:57.13 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
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| 17:58.17 | jade | is there a debian package that strips HTML and leaves text only? |
| 17:58.19 | undrdawg | btw what do you mean 3d? |
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| 17:58.37 | valdyn | undrdawg: state your problem again please, why have you specified a maximum virtual size? |
| 17:58.44 | shaibn | stew, should i try: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV generic |
| 17:58.46 | ArchitectSinan | I've got a sarge box. I've got exim4 and Courier-pop installed. The MX record is ok. I'm getting "550 relay not permitted" when i tried to send mail from outside to a mailbox in my sarge. Wat do you think is the problem ? |
| 17:58.58 | limpio | i'm trying to get a snapshot, i installed ImageMagic from the terminal i typed: $ import -w root screenshot.png when i chedk all i got is a picture of the terminal, how do i take a snapshot from a window and not the terminal? |
| 17:58.58 | pumpkin0 | undrdawg: 3D (like OpenGL and games and stuff) needs DRM/DRI. And that is failing to load. |
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| 17:59.25 | Tassium | ArchitectSinan: Your exim config is b0rked |
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| 17:59.34 | undrdawg | i wonder why... |
| 17:59.37 | valdyn | undrdawg: hsync and vsync are just fine |
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| 17:59.39 | ArchitectSinan | Tassium: What should i do friend ? |
| 18:00.07 | undrdawg | they were off valdyn |
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| 18:00.15 | undrdawg | i just assumed xf86config was working |
| 18:00.38 | undrdawg | changed the lines to the right value and x loaded |
| 18:00.38 | valdyn | undrdawg: 'were off' ? im reading your XF86Config-4 |
| 18:00.38 | Tassium | ArchitectSinan: I don't know anything about your network or setup, so I can't tell you what to change. I'd suggest double-checking your exim config. Sounds like exim doesn't realize it is the final destination for itself. |
| 18:00.38 | stew | shaibn: yeah, sounds like it |
| 18:00.38 | valdyn | undrdawg: i see |
| 18:00.38 | borondil | jade: lynx -dump |
| 18:00.42 | undrdawg | sorry |
| 18:00.49 | undrdawg | when i said "off" i meant not right |
| 18:01.17 | undrdawg | heh now the hard drive is writing madly |
| 18:01.22 | ArchitectSinan | Tassium: Does default exim config permits the mails coming from outside ? |
| 18:01.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | at0m|c, i cant seem to find much there :-\ |
| 18:01.27 | shaibn | stew, it seems that /proc is empty ... |
| 18:01.46 | azeem | shaibn: mount it |
| 18:01.51 | stew | shaibn: unless you mounted that in the chroot that is expected |
| 18:01.54 | Tassium | ArchitectSinan: I don't know what the default exim config allows, I don't use exim. |
| 18:01.57 | undrdawg | HD is spinning violently for some reason |
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| 18:02.19 | jade | borondil, yes i've been using that, however it adds some weird stuff for the browser function like [pic.gif] for image holders |
| 18:02.25 | valdyn | ArchitectSinan: yes |
| 18:02.30 | shaibn | stew, it is mount in the chroot. but it won't let me do the MAKEDEV since it is looking for /proc/devices |
| 18:02.43 | stew | shaibn: if its empty, its not mounted |
| 18:02.45 | ArchitectSinan | valdyn: thx |
| 18:02.58 | ArchitectSinan | Tassium: thx again, i'll start over |
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| 18:03.26 | shaibn | stew, i'm typing mount and I see it there... (while in chroot) |
| 18:03.28 | raf256 | for "cryptsetup" the version name is "2:1.0.3-1" why the "2:" part? |
| 18:03.43 | borondil | jade: try links2 |
| 18:04.06 | nse | which is the way to set the correct fonts to xorg? |
| 18:04.13 | valdyn | raf256: new epoch |
| 18:04.16 | Azar | is this still true, or have been fixed? trying to get a 64bit version: Your CPU does not support long mode. Use a 32bit distribution |
| 18:04.20 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 18:04.32 | elephantMan | Is it possible to install debian on a Macbook Pro ? |
| 18:04.37 | valdyn | raf256: since 1.0 isnt bigger than some other versioning scheme that should be smaller, like 20060606 ( YYYYMMDD ) |
| 18:04.37 | raf256 | valdyn: as in? the mainstream maintainer restarted the versioning count or something? |
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| 18:04.45 | raf256 | valdyn: oh |
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| 18:05.09 | raf256 | valdyn: wouldn't it make sense to name DATE versions like 020060101 then? |
| 18:05.11 | Azar | ok so it is true: 64bit version is not working with debian |
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| 18:05.24 | raf256 | for future |
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| 18:05.44 | shaibn | stew, i did "mount /proc" and now it isn't empty. I now have 683 items in /dev ... |
| 18:05.46 | valdyn | raf256: those date verions dont come from debian |
| 18:05.57 | shaibn | stew, 685 |
| 18:06.13 | nwonknu | hi when removing a package using apt-get -r package how can i make sure it is completely erased? |
| 18:06.27 | stew | shaibn: the rest showed up after you ran MAKEDEV? |
| 18:06.29 | valdyn | raf256: versioning schemes can change upstream in unpredictable ways |
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| 18:06.43 | nono31 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.44 | shaibn | stew, didn't need to run it.. it just showed up. |
| 18:06.46 | valdyn | raf256: like win2000 to winxp ;) |
| 18:06.49 | blondie | nwonknu: apt-get --purge remove |
| 18:06.51 | blondie | iirc |
| 18:07.04 | raf256 | valdyn: when I am the upstream, is naming: x.yy.zz good? also, can x be > 9 ? |
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| 18:07.23 | valdyn | raf256: good for what? |
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| 18:07.30 | raf256 | valdyn: in general ; and debian-friendly |
| 18:07.34 | valdyn | raf256: if you produce software you can version it however you want |
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| 18:07.44 | raf256 | valdyn: I know :) I wonder how Ishould |
| 18:07.44 | nse | i was used to a font but it suddenly changed for no reason. i want my old font back. what to do? |
| 18:07.47 | stew | shaibn: are you running udev/devfs in the chroot then? |
| 18:07.52 | valdyn | raf256: however you want.. |
| 18:08.18 | raf256 | valdyn: if I name it omg-IV-seven-eins then I suppose debian devels will not be too happy? |
| 18:08.30 | Tassium | raf256: I dunno, that's catchy |
| 18:08.32 | shaibn | stew, that i'm not sure of... i just installed using debootstrap .. i'm not exactly sure if it is udev/devfs ... |
| 18:08.34 | cureless | raf256: use 1 version number + dev indicator + date. |
| 18:08.39 | shaibn | stew, how can i check? |
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| 18:08.52 | valdyn | raf256: they will have to work around that, sure |
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| 18:09.37 | Tempest2k | im getting an error in dmesg "hdc: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 18:09.37 | Tempest2k | hdc: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
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| 18:09.58 | Tempest2k | what is causing this anybody no ? |
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| 18:10.09 | cureless | Tempest2k: what kind of drive is hdc? |
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| 18:10.18 | valdyn | Tempest2k: a kernel bug or a hardware error |
| 18:10.34 | mike-e | when i configured xserver-xorg i set it to do 1600x1024 but it won't do any more than 1024x768, any ideas? |
| 18:10.49 | stew | shaibn: you must be running devfs, i wonder if your problem is that the static /dev never got populated. i'm not really good with devfs |
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| 18:10.55 | valdyn | mike-e: read the logfile, it will tell you explicitely |
| 18:11.02 | Tempest2k | system seems to work fine |
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| 18:11.16 | cureless | Tempest2k: what kind of drive is it? |
| 18:11.20 | bingo | hi, I have a big problem with debootstrap, I try to make a chroot of sid by siddebootstrap /sid-root http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ , then I have this error E: Couldn't download base-config |
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| 18:11.33 | shaibn | stew, so after i can see it now, should that start working your think? |
| 18:11.35 | Tempest2k | its an ide drive on a nforce 4 ide controller |
| 18:11.40 | valdyn | bingo: bootstrap sarge, then upgrade to sid |
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| 18:11.58 | shaibn | stew, how did you get the the /dev with my original question about the boot getting stuck in the INIT |
| 18:12.17 | valdyn | Tempest2k: that error clearly states that your system isnt running fine |
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| 18:12.22 | bingo | valdyn, thank you it's a good solution :-) |
| 18:12.32 | Tempest2k | oh |
| 18:12.35 | Tempest2k | dear |
| 18:12.35 | cureless | Tempest2k: your drive might be on its last legs. Or if you're using some nvidia ide driver then the driver might be buggy, |
| 18:12.40 | valdyn | Tempest2k: check that disk for errors, see apt-cache show badblocks |
| 18:12.52 | stew | shaibn: because it sounds like its getting all the way through the boot but is having trouble running getty on the tty, so i was guessing /dev/tty? was missing |
| 18:12.58 | cureless | Tempest2k: probably the former. Make backups. |
| 18:13.09 | valdyn | Tempest2k: err uh, wrong package, but run the program 'badblocks' |
| 18:13.13 | Tempest2k | it says it for all my ide drives |
| 18:13.31 | cureless | Tempest2k: then it might be the nvidia controller/driver. |
| 18:13.37 | shaibn | stew, so perhaps now it'll start? |
| 18:13.38 | valdyn | Tempest2k: maybe that hints towards a driver bug |
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| 18:13.55 | cureless | Tempest2k: or all your drives are failing (not that likely if n>2) |
| 18:14.07 | valdyn | Tempest2k: but it could even be something like a failing power supply, i guess, hardware errors aren't always easy.. |
| 18:14.12 | stew | shaibn: you didn't change anything though, right? |
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| 18:14.46 | Tempest2k | will have a fiddle just added 2 removerble bays for hdds |
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| 18:15.00 | shaibn | stew, other then what we just did ... |
| 18:15.04 | Tempest2k | thanks |
| 18:15.07 | shaibn | stew, it just booted fine now :) |
| 18:15.42 | stew | *shrug*. it sounds like when you fix something by taking it apart and putting it back together without really trying to change anything |
| 18:15.58 | itachi-uo | hello |
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| 18:17.04 | itachi-uo | http://pastebin.com/749499 thats what wrong in there ? |
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| 18:19.08 | abrotman | ask #samba |
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| 18:19.41 | twosouls82 | good evening all |
| 18:19.44 | twosouls82 | :) |
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| 18:20.31 | abrotman | itachi-uo: and when you go to #samba .. ask a better question .. because "What's wrong" .. sucks |
| 18:21.00 | twosouls82 | what is the latest release of KDE that I will be able to find in Debian backports? |
| 18:21.12 | twosouls82 | is it 3.5.0? |
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| 18:21.25 | abrotman | check backports.org |
| 18:21.28 | streuner | twosouls82: backports.org and find out |
| 18:21.38 | itachi-uo | abrotman #amba is muted |
| 18:21.47 | itachi-uo | #samba is alone |
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| 18:22.12 | twosouls82 | abrotman and streuner, thanks (I am there already :P I only saw 3.5.0 :s) |
| 18:22.14 | abrotman | itachi-uo: be patient |
| 18:22.25 | abrotman | twosouls82: jeez .. how much newer do you want ? |
| 18:22.47 | twosouls82 | abrotman: I need a but fix which is in 3.5.1 :) |
| 18:22.50 | abrotman | twosouls82: if you want bloated .. i'm sure Enlightenment just had some 16.9432..432..43 release :) |
| 18:23.05 | abrotman | twosouls82: ask #debian-kde if they know of newer |
| 18:23.26 | twosouls82 | abrotman: merci tres bien |
| 18:23.28 | nwonknu | hi if i install mplayer-386 i get error opening/initialising the selected video_out {-vo} device????? |
| 18:23.40 | valdyn | nwonknu: try -vo x11 |
| 18:23.45 | abrotman | de nada? :) |
| 18:23.57 | nwonknu | valdyn, what ya mean? |
| 18:23.58 | abrotman | i don't remember the french for you're welcome :0 |
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| 18:24.14 | valdyn | nwonknu: mplayer -vo x11 somemoview.avi |
| 18:24.18 | nwonknu | merci beacoup? |
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| 18:24.29 | nwonknu | valdyn, i'll give it a shot one sec |
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| 18:25.21 | abrotman | nwonknu: thanks "thank you very much" |
| 18:25.37 | nwonknu | abrotman, lol :p |
| 18:25.41 | itachi-uo | nothing on #samba 55 minutes waiting no answer :(( |
| 18:26.06 | shaibn | stew, thanks for the help thus far :) at least I have a login .. i'll need to check what else I need for this box later... cya |
| 18:26.30 | nwonknu | vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()! |
| 18:26.30 | nwonknu | Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. |
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| 18:27.59 | Tempest2k | wierd seemed to be the ide removerble racks causing the errors |
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| 18:29.33 | blondie | Tempest2k: I've seen that before |
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| 18:33.11 | bluefox83 | how do i set the group on a directory? |
| 18:33.41 | simonrvn | man chown; man chgrp |
| 18:35.42 | nwonknu | how can i change my keyboard region it appears to be usa and i need uk |
| 18:35.46 | bluefox83 | i can't get into my games directory! =( |
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| 18:36.04 | blondie | bluefox83: you haven't done enough work! |
| 18:36.28 | bluefox83 | drwSrwSrwx 6 bluefox bluefox 4096 2006-02-19 21:05 games <--whats wrong here? i should be able to get in as regular user =( |
| 18:36.50 | blondie | why are there Ss there? |
| 18:36.58 | bluefox83 | i have no idea >.> |
| 18:37.04 | blondie | chmod 777 games |
| 18:37.07 | stew | no |
| 18:37.08 | bluefox83 | i don't know what that even stands for |
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| 18:37.22 | mike-e | should I use vesa with an nvidia card? |
| 18:37.24 | stew | bluefox83: do you actually want the sticky bits set? |
| 18:37.31 | blondie | I thought sticky had a lower case S |
| 18:37.35 | bluefox83 | what are sticky bits o.o |
| 18:37.40 | blondie | lol. |
| 18:37.43 | stew | blondie: S means sticky but no +x |
| 18:37.48 | blondie | ah |
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| 18:38.23 | stew | bluefox83: chmod 755 the directory |
| 18:38.47 | bluefox83 | stew, 777 worked ... |
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| 18:39.21 | stew | chmod 777 is never a good idea |
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| 18:40.04 | blondie | I wouldn't say it's *never* a good idea |
| 18:40.07 | mav2183 | hello all |
| 18:40.16 | blondie | just not usually. |
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| 18:40.57 | mav2183 | got a problem trying to gain access to remote desktop on an internal computer from outside the internal network |
| 18:41.20 | ruser | mav2183 try ssh tunneling |
| 18:41.23 | mav2183 | i can't seem to get the port forwading to work |
| 18:41.58 | mav2183 | my deb box is running as the router. |
| 18:42.01 | blondie | using iptables |
| 18:42.02 | blondie | ? |
| 18:42.05 | ruser | mav2183 ssh -L2222:YOUMACHINE.host:22 -fN USERNAME@remotemachine and then use ssh -p2222 localhost |
| 18:42.07 | mav2183 | yes |
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| 18:42.50 | mav2183 | I have no trouble with the ssh part of it. it is accessing an internal windows xp pro machine |
| 18:43.20 | blondie | so you're on the router machine? |
| 18:44.00 | mav2183 | I got so far as to get a 'connection time out' as opposed to a connection refused |
| 18:44.17 | jimmiehansson | Anybody had any troubles/issues with installing vpopmail x.4-13 on debian sarge (3.1) lately? assuming with the latest libc6 environment and gcc compiler |
| 18:44.37 | blondie | mav2183: what iptables command did you type to setup the forward |
| 18:44.38 | blondie | ? |
| 18:45.32 | mav2183 | iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --destination-port 3389 -j DNAT --to-destination x.x.x.x:3389 |
| 18:45.46 | stew | jimmiehansson: what does "latest libc6 and gcc" mean? what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
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| 18:46.04 | yggdrasil | abrotman you aorund ? |
| 18:46.05 | mav2183 | eth0 is the card connected to the internet and eth1 one is internal card |
| 18:46.07 | itachi-uo | nice rule |
| 18:46.08 | at0m|c | hi, what would i use to play files over mms:// ? |
| 18:46.26 | blondie | hmm |
| 18:46.45 | Alam_Debian | mplayer? |
| 18:47.00 | at0m|c | was checking this savetheinternet.com , just to find they use -crap- .asx media eh |
| 18:47.21 | yggdrasil | vlc ? |
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| 18:47.33 | nwonknu | how can i change my keyboard location e.g. us -> uk |
| 18:47.35 | at0m|c | Alam_Debian, cheers |
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| 18:47.37 | jimmiehansson | stew: not sure which is the most recent stable for sarge, i've got the box on the latest stable via chicago.edu mirror |
| 18:47.40 | yggdrasil | does anyone know how to keep my screen from turning blcak.. im using a basic deb install with fluxbox |
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| 18:47.51 | bluefox83 | damnit..i'm having the worste time with my video card drivers working proberly :( |
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| 18:47.55 | bluefox83 | *properly |
| 18:48.08 | Ronin | yggdrasil: you mean as in the monitor powers down to conserv energy? |
| 18:48.12 | ruser | mm, is that just my setup. or vim7 in sid doens't have colorshemes? |
| 18:48.15 | stew | jimmiehansson: what exactly is the problem you are having? |
| 18:48.20 | yggdrasil | ronin its hooked up to my tv |
| 18:48.25 | Tassium | ruser: You have to turn on syntax highlighting |
| 18:48.26 | yggdrasil | but i think i took care of it shuttin off. |
| 18:48.34 | yggdrasil | it just turns black now |
| 18:48.46 | yggdrasil | beforfe it would shut off and the tv would interpet it by turning blue |
| 18:48.59 | yggdrasil | i turned dpms off |
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| 18:49.43 | ruser | Tassium excepti get: E185: Cannot find color scheme elflord |
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| 18:50.23 | f- | hi. which ftp server would i install on my server? |
| 18:50.27 | jimmiehansson | stew. i'm following a qmailrocks.org tutorial which compiles in several services for email in one guide. it's worked great before, and makes me concider that there is a problem with the compiling libraries in debian since there are more whos had this problem but not yet resolved, some resources point to a bug in the gcc compiler, i will post the complete error message in a pastebin for you, i'm only starting on C just now so i can't d |
| 18:50.27 | jimmiehansson | ecipher it just yet |
| 18:50.31 | valdyn | f-: none at all? |
| 18:50.46 | Tassium | f-: Why would we know what you would do? |
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| 18:50.59 | f- | how would i choose? |
| 18:51.10 | blondie | choose none, for security |
| 18:51.31 | valdyn | f-: why do you want an ftp server? |
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| 18:54.08 | jimmiehansson | stew: http://pastebin.com/749586 this is the error during a vpopmail 5.4.13 install on debian sarge, yesterday i downloaded the most current source of libc6 ( and headers ) changed locale to most recent but it broke my deps and since libc6 is essential i couldnt remove it |
| 18:54.10 | Rug | with crontab; is it 'sensitive' to spacing? (ie 10 * * * /script vs 10 * * /script) |
| 18:54.34 | Tassium | Rug: I don't believe so. Check the manpages to be sure. |
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| 18:54.44 | Rug | Tassium: man doesn't help |
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| 18:55.16 | jimmiehansson | stew: however, after i forced an install of the libc6 pkg the compilation worked of vpopmail |
| 18:55.24 | Rug | Tassium: bummer; my scripts aren't running and I was hope crontab design was the problem. |
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| 18:55.31 | jimmiehansson | but broke everything else :/ |
| 18:55.39 | stew | jimmiehansson: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 18:55.52 | stew | jimmiehansson: and why are you compiling vpopmail instead of just apt-getting it? |
| 18:56.03 | smacnay | Is the /etc/modules.conf file now obsolete? I did a "man update-modules" and read that it is. SHould I be getting rid of the /etc/modules.conf file? |
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| 18:56.58 | lewis | how do I add 'TEST:' to the beginning of the subject header, to all incoming e-mails to test@domain.com? |
| 18:57.04 | lewis | (with exim4) |
| 18:57.08 | jimmiehansson | stew: what would be easiest way to see which version i've got? sorry new to this end. I'm compiling from source following the qmailrocks.org guide to it, which has it packaged in src |
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| 18:57.38 | stew | jimmiehansson: put the ouptut of "apt-cache policy libc6" into a pastebin |
| 18:57.46 | jimmiehansson | stew: on it |
| 18:57.47 | bluefox83 | how do i make sure all the right vnidia and glx driver stuff is installed correctly? |
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| 18:57.53 | bluefox83 | *nvidia |
| 18:58.21 | stew | jimmiehansson: might as well do "apt-cahce policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 gcc" |
| 18:58.36 | mav2183 | regarding the rule I still can't get connected to the remote windows pc |
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| 18:59.20 | cheal | bluefox83: follow the instructions? |
| 18:59.27 | jimmiehansson | stew: http://pastebin.com/749596 |
| 18:59.33 | abrotman | ygg |
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| 18:59.45 | bluefox83 | cheal, i installed everything that dpkg said to install..does that count? |
| 18:59.52 | dracflamloc_ | hello folks. can anyone point me to a guide that would let me install debian from a 3.5" floppy? |
| 19:00.09 | dracflamloc_ | i have an old laptop that has no cd drive |
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| 19:00.16 | cheal | bluefox83: if you're talking about the one-liner, that's for experienced people |
| 19:00.25 | cheal | !tell bluefox83 about nvidia |
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| 19:00.30 | stew | jimmiehansson: you aren't on sarge, you have mixed testing packages in, which you should never do. you need to finish upgrading to testing or reinstall sarge, /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 19:00.40 | janez | anyone have problems with nvidia-glx? |
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| 19:01.01 | cheal | janez: consult the BTS |
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| 19:01.08 | stew | cheal: it's down |
| 19:01.08 | janez | cheal: bts? |
| 19:01.23 | cheal | stew: thanks for reminder |
| 19:01.25 | jimmiehansson | stew: no wonder it is not working, thank you very much. this is serverpronto's fault. I will get to that immediately :) |
| 19:01.27 | cheal | !tell janez about bts |
| 19:02.07 | cheal | janez: you'll have to wait until a project machine has recovered though |
| 19:02.07 | lewis | if I have two copies of a database, and do a mysql dump of the newer copy, and do a 'mysql < new.sql' to the old database, will the old database import duplicates, or will it simply update? |
| 19:02.44 | bluefox83 | ok..theh link to the wiki page dpkg gives for the nvidia stuff doesn't exist.. |
| 19:02.47 | ruser | lewis i'm no expert, but just add a drop cmd in your script to update the dbs |
| 19:02.49 | mc__ | !tell mc about socialism |
| 19:02.53 | f- | hey, what's the debian proftpd repository? |
| 19:03.01 | f- | i mean pure-ftpd* |
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| 19:03.13 | lewis | ruser: so drop the old database first, then put in the new content? |
| 19:03.27 | mc__ | !tell der__meister about socialism |
| 19:03.27 | ruser | lewis just to be on the safe side |
| 19:03.32 | mc__ | !tell der__meister about communism |
| 19:03.48 | mc__ | !tell der__meister about greenhouse |
| 19:03.50 | bluefox83 | ok..i think wikipedia is down >.> |
| 19:03.53 | lewis | oooh |
| 19:03.58 | janez | how is the name of free nvidia drivers?? |
| 19:04.01 | lewis | nah - never :P |
| 19:04.08 | thingfish | yes it is down. |
| 19:04.18 | mc__ | janez, they do not work yet though |
| 19:04.19 | cheal | janez: nv |
| 19:04.40 | janez | i need got xorg! |
| 19:04.41 | mc__ | janez, sorry i thought you meant the accelerated free drivers... |
| 19:04.50 | hyksos | janez :nv |
| 19:04.52 | lewis | so, to 'synchronize' two MySQL databases (where only one will ever have updates): 1. mysql dump 2. scp/ftp the .sql file 3. drop the old database 4. load the new content into the database |
| 19:05.01 | mc__ | !tell janez about backports |
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| 19:05.40 | ruser | lewis hold on a sec i saw somewhere an article how to setup redundant mysql server array |
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| 19:05.51 | janez | what version of nvidia-glx i need? |
| 19:06.11 | cheal | janez: which release do you use? |
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| 19:06.21 | lewis | ruser: well, I don't mind if the mysql databases only update once a week, and I don't mind if I have a cronned script for it... |
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| 19:06.34 | lewis | (the database is about 4Mb in case that matters) |
| 19:06.46 | janez | cheal: |
| 19:06.47 | ruser | lewis you might want to try existing solutions http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/311 |
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| 19:06.52 | janez | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8756-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 19:06.56 | ruser | lewis Backup MySQL databases with mysqlhotcopy |
| 19:07.01 | lewis | appreciated - reading now |
| 19:07.08 | cheal | janez: I meant which Debian release? |
| 19:07.20 | KodeK | Quick question. I just upgraded to etch from sarge, and I have packages that don't want to nistall cause they're missing dependencies. These are packages I don't even need (X related). How can I remove these without having apt-get bitchign at me? |
| 19:07.49 | ruser | lewis also take a look at http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mysqlscript.htm |
| 19:07.53 | cheal | KodeK: be a bit more specific. |
| 19:07.58 | cheal | !tell KodeK about bat |
| 19:08.00 | jimmiehansson | stew: http://pastebin.com/749612 |
| 19:08.02 | hyksos | KodeK :when the dont want to install, what will you remove |
| 19:08.26 | KodeK | I'll dump my console in flood. |
| 19:08.46 | janez | cheal: debian sid |
| 19:09.12 | lewis | ruser: appreciated |
| 19:09.18 | KodeK | These are packages that I don't even need. I'm not running an X environment cause it's a headless box :D |
| 19:09.28 | cheal | janez: I suppose you won't need help to figure that out then |
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| 19:09.58 | stew | KodeK: /msg dpkg x11-common conflict |
| 19:10.09 | KodeK | stew: thanks. |
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| 19:10.25 | stew | KodeK: wait |
| 19:10.31 | stew | KodeK: that's not your problem. |
| 19:10.34 | Ashex | I installed bzip2-dev manually yesterday with alien since I couldn't get it off apt. |
| 19:10.43 | cheal | stew: I'm reassured :) |
| 19:10.53 | KodeK | Yeah. |
| 19:10.54 | Ashex | I added a few repositories today so I could upgarde to kde 3.5, but I keep getting this error: http://pastebin.com/749619 |
| 19:10.55 | KodeK | Didn't do anything :( |
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| 19:11.18 | xblast3r | hi all |
| 19:11.22 | stew | KodeK: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libx11-6 x11-common" |
| 19:11.30 | LoRez | Ashex: you mean libbz2-dev? |
| 19:11.31 | cheal | KodeK: try installing x11-common |
| 19:11.41 | KodeK | cheal: I did. Didn't work. |
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| 19:11.48 | Ashex | yeah, libbz2-dev |
| 19:11.52 | cheal | KodeK: show us the result too |
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| 19:11.55 | KodeK | I'll dump it in flood |
| 19:11.55 | Ashex | er, no |
| 19:12.12 | Ashex | I used alien yesterday to install bzip2-devel_1.0.3-5_i386.deb |
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| 19:13.20 | mirak | does debian supports mixed 32/64 bit ? |
| 19:13.25 | LoRez | Ashex: and why on earth did you install a development version of the compression utility? |
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| 19:13.42 | KodeK | stew: any idea? |
| 19:13.58 | Ashex | I was trying to install kde 3.5.x yesterday and konstruct required it |
| 19:14.36 | stew | KodeK: what happens when you run "apt-get install x11-common" ? |
| 19:14.55 | KodeK | stew: #flood |
| 19:15.02 | LoRez | Ashex: you mistook bzip2-devel with libbz2-dev |
| 19:15.11 | LoRez | Ashex: remove bzip2-devel |
| 19:15.11 | jelly-home | LoRez: -devel is a strange suffix for a Debian package name; however -dev are _not_ development versions but files necessary for development (compiling) of other stuff - like C headers. |
| 19:15.27 | abrotman | LoRez: did you know about -dev packageS?!?! |
| 19:15.46 | LoRez | jelly-home: wtf are you telling me? |
| 19:15.55 | LoRez | abrotman: apparently not. |
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| 19:16.13 | KodeK | I got owned by the server :D |
| 19:16.15 | KodeK | stew: http://pastebin.com/749627 |
| 19:16.18 | lewis | ruser: all of the suggestions, while helpful, were for backing up MySQL databases. I already have a script which creates a .sql file once a week. I need to know how best to input it in to a remote MySQL server. is it possible to load only changes with MySQL, or is dropping/inserting the best option? |
| 19:16.22 | abrotman | jelly-home: Rez has been around a while :) |
| 19:16.36 | Ashex | LoRez, I'm getting this back: http://pastebin.com/749629 |
| 19:16.44 | stew | KodeK: oh i was right the first time /msg dpkg x11-common conflict |
| 19:16.46 | jelly-home | sorry, "a development version of the utility" sounded strange |
| 19:16.57 | abrotman | Ashex: what is the result of `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` ? |
| 19:17.00 | ruser | lewis actaully i dont' know , and i'll have to think about it myself, i have to setup a server over here too :) |
| 19:17.13 | lewis | ok - thanks |
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| 19:17.21 | LoRez | Ashex: and apt-get -f install does what? |
| 19:17.35 | cheal | stew: hum, what's the reason for that again? |
| 19:17.37 | Ashex | abrotman, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 19:17.45 | syiron | apt-get -f mean force |
| 19:17.45 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 19:17.48 | Ashex | that first pastebin |
| 19:17.52 | KodeK | stew: Still getting errors. Let me pastebin it. |
| 19:17.53 | ruser | lewis i'm still trying to find an article on load balancing (which should deal with the backup issue or something) |
| 19:17.54 | cheal | stew: s/reason/explanation |
| 19:17.57 | abrotman | !info libbz2-dev sarge |
| 19:18.05 | syiron | trying use that command apt-get -f install |
| 19:18.06 | dpkg | libbz2-dev: (high-quality block-sorting file compressor library - development), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 19:18.12 | KodeK | stew: http://pastebin.com/749630 |
| 19:18.19 | bluefox83 | how do i change the ownership or access levels of a directory and all of it's subdirectories? |
| 19:18.32 | LoRez | Ashex: dpkg --purge bzip2-devel |
| 19:18.35 | abrotman | bluefox83: man chmod |
| 19:18.46 | cheal | stew: you're missing a "-" after "xfree86-common" |
| 19:18.49 | stew | KodeK: no, that's not what "/msg dpkg x11-common conflict" says to do you left off the '-' |
| 19:18.50 | cheal | stew: sorry |
| 19:18.54 | cheal | KodeK: : you're missing a "-" after "xfree86-common" |
| 19:19.05 | KodeK | Ohh :D Thank you. |
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| 19:19.28 | Ashex | LoRez, that seems to be working so far... |
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| 19:19.48 | stew | cheal: i don't recall specifically. i think it was a simple packaging error that has't gotten a chance to migrade from sid yet |
| 19:19.58 | KodeK | It's doing lots of crazy things right now! Looks like it's going in the right direction :D |
| 19:20.02 | cheal | stew: hum :/ |
| 19:20.09 | KodeK | Nah, it's just setting up packages. |
| 19:20.10 | cheal | !factinfo x11-common conflict |
| 19:20.10 | dpkg | x11-common conflict -- created by stew <n=stew@mudskipper.vireo.org> at Thu Mar 23 23:35:21 2006 (68 days). |
| 19:20.19 | cheal | not too bad |
| 19:20.21 | syiron | bluefox83; to change owner chown -R uid.gid folder or filename |
| 19:20.38 | cheal | stew: I had the impression that was ages old |
| 19:20.42 | bluefox83 | syiron, that will change all the subdirectories too? |
| 19:20.52 | ruser | lewis doesn't mysql dump includes the dropping the tables? |
| 19:20.57 | KodeK | Great! apt-get doesn't throw any error anymore :D |
| 19:21.01 | stew | cheal: i think xfree86-common was meant to be a transitional package but it was uploaded still containing other files and thus causes a conflict with x11-common which should now be owning those files |
| 19:21.04 | syiron | bluefox83 chown -R bluefox83.bluefox83 foldername or file |
| 19:21.14 | KodeK | Now I need to figure out how to go from 2.4 to 2.6 without killing my box in the process. |
| 19:21.19 | KodeK | But now I have to go :D Thanks everyone. |
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| 19:21.29 | syiron | bluefox83; yes. it change the owner permission for ur file and subdir |
| 19:21.39 | cheal | stew: OK, I guess it won't be noticable breakage when X11R7 reaches testing anyway :) |
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| 19:21.54 | mc__ | der__meister, noch da? |
| 19:22.06 | stew | cheal: correct |
| 19:22.15 | vodkaabsolut | is there a software that is able to connect to skype networks?? |
| 19:22.24 | Ashex | LoRez, I'm getting this error now: http://pastebin.com/749639 |
| 19:22.25 | blondie | skype? |
| 19:22.47 | vodkaabsolut | blondie: i did not find a packege for debian with apt |
| 19:23.00 | blondie | vodkaabsolut: that's because it's not free enough |
| 19:23.24 | blondie | vodkaabsolut: you can download a debian package from skype.com |
| 19:23.24 | vodkaabsolut | blondie: uh...but debian has a non-free section too |
| 19:23.39 | vodkaabsolut | blondie: cool , i didn't know |
| 19:23.46 | vodkaabsolut | blondie: tnx |
| 19:23.51 | stew | KodeK: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 19:24.15 | blondie | vodkaabsolut: I haven't tried it, so don't blame me if it breaks your PC ;) |
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| 19:24.35 | stew | !x11-common conflict is also NOTE: the '-' after xfree86-common is required |
| 19:24.35 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 19:24.39 | vodkaabsolut | blondie: hehe... don't worry :-P |
| 19:25.04 | StyXman | hi all. how would you say it s the best way to keep ppp lines up? i.e., that the are brought up when they fail |
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| 19:25.48 | Ashex | anyone have any ideas? http://pastebin.com/749639 |
| 19:26.11 | LoRez | Ashex: you haven't aliened any other packages have you? |
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| 19:27.13 | syiron | StyXman; just keep on /etc/network/ifdown put the script "pon" |
| 19:27.14 | Ashex | LoRez, nope, just that one |
| 19:27.17 | stew | Ashex: what version of kdebase-kio-plugins do you have installed? |
| 19:27.19 | ruser | hrm... how can i find out who depends on what when using aptitude, it seems i have a conflict |
| 19:27.33 | Gumby | would anyone here happen to know how to start iptraf with no user intervention? I see in the man page I can do iptraf -l eth1 and that will start it in the proper mode, but iptraf still asks where I want my logfile to be. If I choose iptraf -l eth1 -L /path/to/logfile nothing actually gets written to the logfile. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 19:27.53 | Gumby | I am wanting to start it via a cronjob on the 1st of every month so I can monitor bandwidth usage per client on my network |
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| 19:28.10 | Ashex | stew: 3.3.x |
| 19:28.12 | LoRez | Ashex: but you're mixing backports.org debs in with "true" debian? |
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| 19:28.20 | syiron | StyXman; http://pastebin.com/749658 |
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| 19:28.37 | Ashex | LoRez, pretty much |
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| 19:28.49 | ruser | atptitude from command line seems to only list final dependencies :/ |
| 19:29.04 | Ashex | crud, work beckons |
| 19:29.12 | StyXman | syiron: I assume that's for only one ppp line, right? |
| 19:29.22 | stew | Ashex: apt-get install -t sarge-backports kdebase-kio-plugins |
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| 19:31.35 | syiron | yes |
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| 19:32.05 | yereth | any of you got any idea where Alsa keeps his configuration of your sound system? |
| 19:32.10 | Maulkin | Gumby: Hmm... you may also want to look at bandwidthd. |
| 19:32.23 | Gumby | Maulkin: I will do |
| 19:32.39 | Maulkin | Gumby: having a look for the magic iptraf invocation I use |
| 19:32.48 | yereth | sometimes when I reboot, all of a sudden my onboard soundsystem, instead of my soundblaster Live card is the default again.... :/ and then I have to run alsaconf again |
| 19:32.54 | yereth | any clue why this happens? |
| 19:33.35 | [Bart] | hi, somebody who knows a terminal emulator program which has a `screenshot` option in it? |
| 19:33.51 | StyXman | syiron: what about the persist option for ppd (I just found it) |
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| 19:33.55 | Maulkin | Gumby: I *think* it needs -B too. |
| 19:33.57 | Tassium | screen isn't a terminal emulator, but it can do a "hard copy" which is an ascii screenshot |
| 19:34.04 | yereth | :P |
| 19:34.06 | yereth | :) |
| 19:34.07 | StyXman | [Bart]: screen |
| 19:34.10 | stew | yereth: are any snd-* modules listed in /etc/modules? if not, list the snd-? for your card (snd-emu10k1?) and snd-pcm-oss in /etc/modules |
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| 19:34.28 | Gumby | Maulkin: I've tried that also. hehe |
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| 19:34.47 | Maulkin | Gumby: not sure I every got it working fully |
| 19:34.53 | yereth | stew: only snd-emu10k1, which I put in there myself |
| 19:34.56 | Gumby | Maulkin: iptraf -l eth1 -B -L /var/log/iptraf/logfile.log just created a single line in the logfile stating "Wed May 31 12:33:17 2006; ******** LAN traffic monitor started ********" |
| 19:34.59 | Maulkin | Gumby: I think in the end I just used a iptables rule |
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| 19:35.12 | Maulkin | Gumby: and then counted it from there |
| 19:35.29 | Maulkin | Gumby: However, I think bandwidthd provides what you wnat |
| 19:35.31 | Maulkin | *want |
| 19:35.36 | LemMinGs | hi all |
| 19:35.36 | Gumby | Maulkin: I will have a look. thank you |
| 19:35.43 | LemMinGs | got a slightly weird problem here |
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| 19:36.11 | LemMinGs | downloading the bf2 server file onto my debian box, have done it three times in two different ways |
| 19:36.20 | LemMinGs | and both times the file seems to be borked |
| 19:36.32 | yereth | stew: do you have any clue why alsa might default to my onboard card everytime? Doesn't it store my settings or so? |
| 19:36.41 | hjubal | hi |
| 19:36.42 | LemMinGs | is there anything i can use to check it against the file on EA's server AS it's downloading? |
| 19:37.36 | Maulkin | LemMinGs: I don't think so. At the end you could checksum it. |
| 19:37.55 | LemMinGs | it's an sh install script Maulkin |
| 19:38.03 | LemMinGs | it auto does that before it installs |
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| 19:38.08 | LemMinGs | and fails the check |
| 19:38.11 | LemMinGs | that's the problem |
| 19:38.19 | LemMinGs | might try a different source |
| 19:38.58 | Maulkin | Good idea |
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| 19:39.23 | LemMinGs | how do i check the files size etc? |
| 19:39.31 | LemMinGs | to make sure it's the same size? |
| 19:39.45 | pollywog | what should I install in order to get CUPS drivers for a HP PSC printer? foomatic? |
| 19:40.03 | pollywog | I do not see the drivers for PSC printers atm |
| 19:40.50 | pollywog | or maybe it's gimpprint I need |
| 19:41.34 | jimmiehansson | stew: http://pastebin.com/749596 i don't see where its mixing testing with stable, sorry can you point where it is? my bad, all i see is stable. i'm learning |
| 19:41.38 | stew | yereth: iirc alsaconf edits a file in /etc/modutils |
| 19:41.55 | cheal | pollywog: did you install hplip? |
| 19:42.01 | ruser | some package ask for gnome-mime-data and i dont' want it to be installed, however it [aptitude] doesn't tell me who depends on it, any ideas how cani find out? |
| 19:42.29 | stew | jimmiehansson: http://packages.debian.org/libc6 compare the versions there to the Installed: version |
| 19:42.36 | pollywog | cheal: no I installed hpoj that is what works on this type of printer |
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| 19:42.44 | jimmiehansson | stew: thank you :) |
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| 19:43.28 | cheal | pollywog: is it a non-USB printer? |
| 19:43.38 | pollywog | got it it was gimpprint I needed |
| 19:43.42 | pollywog | cheal: yes |
| 19:43.50 | cheal | pollywog: OK |
| 19:43.50 | pollywog | I think I have what I need now |
| 19:43.51 | pollywog | thanks |
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| 19:44.08 | lamp_ | In debian etch, the dutch language package for firefox is not updated for a month now |
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| 19:44.39 | jimmiehansson | stew: i see now, thanks once again! |
| 19:45.01 | rolo | hi all, I got a problem, I just made a new sarge fresh install. but just installed the base linux core, then via aptitude wanted to install kde |
| 19:45.31 | rolo | but it didnt created the /usr/bin/X file, so when i type $startx |
| 19:45.45 | rolo | it gets me some erros, that it couldnt start the X server |
| 19:45.46 | Maulkin | rolo: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:45.53 | dondelelcaro | rolo: what are the errors? |
| 19:46.07 | rolo | k ty Maulkin, will try that |
| 19:46.14 | Maulkin | ty? |
| 19:46.19 | dondelelcaro | !ty |
| 19:46.19 | dpkg | hmm... ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player, or the company that creates Beanie Babies(TM) |
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| 19:47.07 | Maulkin | oh. fair enough |
| 19:47.07 | coondog | how do I get java web start working with debian, si there a package for it, i'm not finding it |
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| 19:47.08 | lamp_ | rolo: maybe x-window-system-core also |
| 19:47.08 | dondelelcaro | lamp_: the last upload was 2006/05/06, so... |
| 19:47.08 | pollywog | cheal: sorry I misread your question, my printer is indeed USB and I think I need foomatic because gimmprint just crashes the cups wizard |
| 19:47.23 | Maulkin | !tell coondog about java |
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| 19:47.47 | Maulkin | !tall coondog about install java |
| 19:47.55 | pollywog | yes now the driver database is building - foomatic :) |
| 19:48.00 | rolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.10 | rolo | how do i change my alias ? |
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| 19:48.16 | rolo | or nickname here in irc |
| 19:48.34 | StyXman | rolo: /nick new)nick |
| 19:48.36 | tuxedup | is the libqt-mt-dev package conflicting with various packages relating to x-window-system and x org, or is this just my machine. On testing branch? |
| 19:48.39 | lamp_ | dondelelcaro: the core package is updated to 1.5.0.3 but the language package is still at 1.5.0.1 |
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| 19:48.42 | ginotonino | rolo: /nick <newname> |
| 19:48.59 | coondog | rolo: the fun thing is figuring out all the other irc commands |
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| 19:49.44 | coondog | Maulkin: but that doesn't tell me about installation with firefox non? |
| 19:49.53 | rolo | hey, on the xserver configuration, what do i need to put for a usb mouse ? /dev/input/mice ? |
| 19:50.00 | stew | coondog: for javaws you need a non-free java, /msg dpkg java-pacakge |
| 19:50.07 | lamp_ | rolo: yes |
| 19:50.30 | dondelelcaro | lamp_: file a wishlist bug against it if there isn't one already, then. |
| 19:50.35 | Maulkin | creyon: /msg dpkg firefox java |
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| 19:51.06 | f- | hi |
| 19:51.06 | lhurgoyf | anyone using alcatel ST580 witp wpa? any problems around? |
| 19:51.11 | f- | how would i install a .deb pkg? |
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| 19:51.36 | stew | tuxedup: there is no libqt-mt-dev package in testing, show us exactly what is happening: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 19:51.41 | slept | f-, dpkg -i |
| 19:52.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:52.04 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 19:52.31 | chealer9 | tuxedup: try # apt-get install xlibmesa-gl-dev libqt3-mt-dev |
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| 19:53.35 | tuxedup | sorry slight typo, the package is libqt3-mt-dev |
| 19:54.15 | f- | slept, i'm starting pure-ftpd but it's not loading in the background |
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| 19:54.32 | vodkaabsolut | hey guys, i've just installed skype with .deb package... it works... |
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| 19:55.02 | rolo | ok, i did the xserver install, now i am getting a different error |
| 19:55.10 | tuxedup | cheers chealer9 that sorted it |
| 19:55.41 | rolo | it says "faltal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server "0:0 |
| 19:55.59 | stoned | I have a job interview in an hour, wish me luck even if you dont know me, thanks |
| 19:56.12 | thingfish | good luck, stoned. |
| 19:56.13 | rolo | ...after 0 requests(0 known processed) with 0 events remaining." |
| 19:56.15 | Tassium | stoned: Here's a tip - don't mention that you go by the name "stoned" |
| 19:56.23 | stoned | oh my god come on man |
| 19:56.25 | stoned | course I wont |
| 19:56.26 | stoned | lol |
| 19:56.27 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:56.48 | JoshH | depends where you are applying |
| 19:56.53 | GoAuLd | i have an interview in one hour with a guy |
| 19:56.53 | JoshH | at hemp.net it would be ok |
| 19:57.01 | pollywog | I once saw two job applicants go for a job at an aircraft plant while they were drunk |
| 19:57.02 | GoAuLd | you are that guy sure |
| 19:57.10 | pollywog | I don't know if they got hired |
| 19:57.22 | rolo | any help ? |
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| 19:57.51 | DebianNewbie | hello |
| 19:57.57 | chealer9 | ops: I think "DOWN: spohr (wiki, bugs)" would be useful in /topic |
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| 19:58.24 | stew | chealer9: it'll be back up in a moment |
| 19:58.35 | Maulkin | Fair enough :) |
| 19:58.36 | DebianNewbie | is there a german channel, too? |
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| 19:58.40 | rolo | Maulkin? |
| 19:58.43 | r_marvin | !de |
| 19:58.43 | dpkg | somebody said de was Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:58.51 | chealer9 | stew: cool. do as you think then. I was basing on -devel |
| 19:58.54 | DebianNewbie | thx |
| 19:58.58 | chealer9 | Maulkin: thanks anyway |
| 19:59.02 | formorer | .oO( what a surprise... ) |
| 19:59.20 | r_marvin | heh, the factoids are updated with the move thing |
| 19:59.32 | Maulkin | Yup :) |
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| 19:59.34 | rolo | ok, i did the xserver install, now i am getting a different error |
| 19:59.40 | neurocyte | does anyone ever chat on oftc.net yet? |
| 19:59.48 | Maulkin | neurocyte: Yup |
| 19:59.51 | rolo | it says "faltal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server "0:0 |
| 19:59.55 | lamp_ | rolo: have you selected the right video driver |
| 19:59.57 | Maulkin | neurocyte: Well, I do :) |
| 20:00.07 | rolo | i did the autodetection |
| 20:00.16 | r_marvin | they do, i just read that big flame in -project (from the topic) |
| 20:00.20 | pollywog | is the channel going to move to that irc network? |
| 20:00.24 | jimmiehansson | anybody enjoying thepiratebay.org , can forget about them now - theyve been busted and sent to court :( |
| 20:00.33 | neurocyte | Maulkin, I don't think I've ever seen anyone say anything there, I guess it'll pick up after the switch |
| 20:00.39 | tuxedup | i thought they only had their servers seized |
| 20:00.41 | mc__ | dpkg says the wrong channel most people are in #debian-de not #debian.de |
| 20:00.42 | dpkg | that's too long, mc__ |
| 20:00.48 | mc__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.57 | jimmiehansson | tuxedup: they did, but 3 of the main heads have been charged, so PB is down until.. |
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| 20:01.13 | abrotman | jimmiehansson: wrong channel |
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| 20:01.33 | stew | mc__: there are 8 in -de and 170 in .de |
| 20:01.58 | tuxedup | in the future would novells app armour or selinux enter the debian repositories? |
| 20:02.00 | pollywog | I think I can't get CUPS to work because I need to manually edit the conf file for CUPS |
| 20:02.22 | abrotman | tuxedup: selinux is there already i think |
| 20:02.28 | Maulkin | tuxedup: selinux is geing worked on for etch |
| 20:02.29 | lamp_ | rolo: how old is your Graphics card |
| 20:02.31 | abrotman | tuxedup: and you can file an RFP on anything you like |
| 20:02.33 | abrotman | !find selinux |
| 20:02.33 | f- | can someone help me setup pure-ftpd on debian |
| 20:02.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'selinux' (6 of 26): (/lib/libselinux.so.1) in libs/libselinux1 ;; (/usr/sbin/selinuxenabled) in admin/selinux-utils ;; (/usr/share/doc-base/selinux-doc) in doc/selinux-doc ;; (/lib/security/pam_selinux.so) in libs/libpam-modules ;; (/etc/prelude-lml/ruleset/selinux.rules) in admin/prelude-lml ;; (/usr/include/linux/selinux_netlink.h) in devel/linux-kernel-headers. |
| 20:02.49 | stew | f-: ask a more specific question |
| 20:02.54 | ruser | jimmiehansson first of all they haven't been sent to cort, only the hardware was taken. some of the servers that where removed are back now, but not the thepirate bay or pyratbyran |
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| 20:03.09 | lamp_ | rolo: what type of Graphics card is it |
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| 20:03.31 | f- | stew, i'm trying to load it and it isn't working..... i did /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start, it doesn't show up in the processes list |
| 20:03.40 | jimmiehansson | ruser: wrong channel as abrotman said, but i just read the official press release and have been watching on tv all da |
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| 20:03.47 | Maulkin | ruser (/all): please pop over to #debian-social if you want to chat about off topic stuff |
| 20:03.56 | Maulkin | or #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:04.47 | ruser | Maulkin jimmiehansson sorry |
| 20:05.22 | coondog | how do I update my packages to an unstable state |
| 20:05.25 | pollywog | is there really a #debian-social? |
| 20:05.30 | coondog | or make my firefox newer to 1.5 or 1.6 from 1.0.4? |
| 20:05.38 | coondog | remove stable keyword from source.list |
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| 20:05.49 | Maulkin | coondog: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:05.50 | tarzeau | pollywog: i can't see one |
| 20:05.51 | stew | coondog: you should instead use a backport, /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:05.52 | Vasistha | pollywog: have you tried printconf ? |
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| 20:05.57 | chealer9 | coondog: firefox 1.6? |
| 20:05.57 | mc__ | pollywog, now there is one |
| 20:06.21 | pollywog | Vasistha: I have not used printconf in a long time I usually use the wizard in KDE |
| 20:06.28 | Aim_Here | Rumour has it there's even a #debian-partyanimals but the general consensus is to remain sceptical |
| 20:06.35 | pollywog | it seems to work but "test" prints nothing |
| 20:07.00 | pollywog | it works in the sense that the printer is detected |
| 20:07.14 | stew | f-: checked the logs? |
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| 20:07.18 | crazy_penguin | night all! |
| 20:07.43 | pollywog | access is set for all users so it's not a permissions problem |
| 20:07.52 | Vasistha | pollywog: yeah, but "working" is kind of a far cry from "detected", huh |
| 20:08.01 | stew | f-: do you have it set to run from inetd or from init.d? |
| 20:08.17 | mc__ | whats about an #debian-singles? |
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| 20:08.34 | pollywog | mc_ singles as in cheese slices? |
| 20:08.45 | Vasistha | mc__: unfortunately I'm afraid it would be rather imbalanced |
| 20:08.58 | mc__ | Vasistha, it would |
| 20:09.02 | pollywog | exactly not enough female persons |
| 20:09.27 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 20:09.28 | dpkg | somebody said debstats was managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 20:09.36 | pollywog | I saw more female persons at the Desktop summit this yr than last |
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| 20:10.07 | hjubal | I have checkinstalled sdl-1.2.10 from sources; how can I tell apt that it is 'libsdl-1.2.10'? |
| 20:10.07 | pollywog | CUPS sure can be tricky I am going to have to use printconf |
| 20:10.11 | softwork | how i remove agpgart module??????? |
| 20:10.23 | mc__ | softwork, modprobe -rf apgart |
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| 20:10.45 | softwork | module agpgart is in une |
| 20:10.50 | softwork | how i force? |
| 20:11.00 | mc__ | softwork, with -f |
| 20:11.17 | mc__ | softwork, but i dunno if this is compiled into the default kernel |
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| 20:11.32 | coondog | chealer9: yeah, i was trying to theme it, said I need 1.5 or .16 |
| 20:11.36 | migiel | when i check in the file /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state i can see my battery status, which tool can i use best to project this in gnome? |
| 20:11.58 | softwork | thx |
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| 20:12.28 | mc__ | softwork, np |
| 20:12.29 | tuxedup | there should be agnome applet called battstat |
| 20:12.30 | softwork | i dont have 3d aceleration, i have ati |
| 20:12.35 | softwork | poblem is agpgart? |
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| 20:12.36 | Vasistha | pollywog: good luck with your printer, I haven't gotten one working yet :P |
| 20:13.27 | stew | softwork: no, you don't want to remove agpgart. which chipset does your card have and which x driver are you using |
| 20:13.33 | pollywog | I had it working before the reinstall |
| 20:13.43 | stew | migiel: try apt-cache search gnome battery applet |
| 20:14.07 | softwork | i have ati graphic and chipset nforce3 |
| 20:14.19 | softwork | i install ati drivers |
| 20:14.28 | softwork | but i dont have 3d aceleration |
| 20:14.31 | coondog | chealer9: ? |
| 20:14.33 | stew | softwork: no i mean which radeon? 9200? x300? or what? |
| 20:14.35 | chealer9 | coondog: I don't know what said that, but I'm not aware of any firefox .16 |
| 20:14.37 | pollywog | printconf was unable to configure the printer |
| 20:14.40 | softwork | fglrxinfo i see mesa driver |
| 20:14.46 | softwork | x700 |
| 20:16.02 | f- | stew, i added a group ftpusers and added users to it .. now i'm trying to start pure-ftpd and it ain't starting |
| 20:16.19 | f- | stew, init.d |
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| 20:17.42 | pollywog | I think I see the problem, the classes.conf file is missing |
| 20:17.47 | pollywog | from cups |
| 20:18.29 | stew | f-: doublecheck that /etc/defaults/pure-ftpd-common; try running "/usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper" directly and see if you get any useful output |
| 20:18.47 | stew | f-: rather doublecheck that pure-ftpd-common is in fact set to "standalone" |
| 20:19.30 | jair | guys if I want to check what services inetd is starting by default on my computer, where should i see that or what comamnd should i run? |
| 20:19.48 | stew | jair: look at /etc/inetd.conf |
| 20:19.56 | pollywog | success; the problem was a missing file in /etc/cups |
| 20:20.04 | pollywog | classes.conf |
| 20:20.25 | jair | stew: ok |
| 20:20.29 | pollywog | like I said, CUPS can be tricky sometimes |
| 20:21.09 | jair | stew: thanks, normally if I want to have a more secure desktop, I should disable or eliminate couple of the services I really do not need automatically running correct? |
| 20:21.14 | f- | stew, /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper hangs |
| 20:21.23 | f- | stew, it doesn't go in the bg |
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| 20:22.31 | migiel | stew: thx |
| 20:22.45 | jair | stew: Linux debian by default does not run many services after the clean installation. |
| 20:22.56 | stew | jair: yes. yes. |
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| 20:23.25 | jair | stew: check this please and let me know what do you think: http://pastebin.com/749814 |
| 20:24.15 | stew | f-: that sounds like it is starting normally. are you positive its set to standalone? |
| 20:24.17 | tarzeau | !xv |
| 20:24.18 | dpkg | xv is, like, at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html or http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xv%24 - very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails. Also, the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed), ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 20:24.47 | stew | jair: that shows that none of the services are enabled. |
| 20:24.55 | f- | stew, i don't know if it's set to standalone.. how would i know? |
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| 20:25.05 | stew | f-: dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd |
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| 20:25.08 | erikh | hi folks |
| 20:25.09 | f- | and yes it's starting normally.. just doesn't go into the bg |
| 20:25.13 | jair | stew: then that is good :) |
| 20:25.13 | pollywog | anyone know if there is a support channel for openwrt? |
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| 20:25.35 | erikh | I'm using the amavisd-new package along with spamassassin |
| 20:25.40 | jair | stew: but the ssh i a service and I am almost sure that runs at the boot why is not listed in inet? |
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| 20:25.46 | erikh | I'm trying to figure out why mail is being delivered to amavis but is not being scanned |
| 20:25.52 | migiel | stew: what if my hardware currently not supports changing the brightness of my display, is this a display-driver problem or..? |
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| 20:26.14 | stew | jair: because it is started from /etc/init.d not from /etc/inetd.conf ; install and run rcconf |
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| 20:26.16 | formorer | erikh: are you really sure that they aren't scanned, or are they maybe just not spam scanned |
| 20:26.19 | formorer | ? |
| 20:26.34 | stew | migiel: i don't know |
| 20:26.35 | Maulkin | pollywog: #openwrt, but read http://openwrt.org/support |
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| 20:26.37 | erikh | formorer: they're not getting spam or virus scanned. amavis outputs that neither modules are being loaded |
| 20:27.09 | erikh | and my inbox is a testament to my accuracy. :) |
| 20:27.15 | f- | StereoSkit, dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd |
| 20:27.15 | f- | Stopping ftp server: pure-ftpd |
| 20:27.17 | f- | stew* |
| 20:27.38 | StereoSkit | O_O |
| 20:27.50 | stew | f-: oh, you should dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd-common |
| 20:28.07 | formorer | erikh: if @local_domains_acl is wrong set mails are not getting scanned |
| 20:28.08 | f- | ./usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: pure-ftpd-common is broken or not fully installed |
| 20:28.23 | formorer | erikh: starting amavis in debug mode helps often |
| 20:28.26 | stew | f-: apt-get -f install ; dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:28.33 | jair | stew: but I actually do not need to do that right? it is any benefit ? run ssh from inetd? |
| 20:28.42 | erikh | formorer: i have sa-debug set. how do I launch amavisd in debug mode? |
| 20:28.46 | tarzeau | does someone use mozilla mail/thunderbird with some sort of *biff ? |
| 20:28.50 | f- | stew, that would install what? |
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| 20:29.00 | formorer | erikh: amavis -c <configfile> debug |
| 20:29.06 | lmh | hi all |
| 20:29.19 | stew | f-: half-installed packages and missing dependencies |
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| 20:29.27 | evilbulgarian | anyone here use image-seeker software? |
| 20:29.36 | erikh | formorer: this is what concerns me: |
| 20:29.40 | erikh | can I paste three lines in here?E |
| 20:29.50 | formorer | erikh: paste.debian.net |
| 20:30.03 | tarzeau | evilbulgarian: what does it do? is it free software? |
| 20:30.09 | Maulkin | evilbulgarian: Depends what image-seeker software is. |
| 20:30.10 | lmh | how can i set up grub to boot my console with the natural resolution of my laptop: 1400x1050 ?? (already tried vga= xxx (diverse values)) |
| 20:30.19 | erikh | http://paste.debian.net/7154 |
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| 20:30.26 | tarzeau | lmh: natural resolution? |
| 20:30.34 | jair | stew: ohhh I saw all the services listed in the init.d and they are a lot that probably should not be running on boot |
| 20:30.34 | tarzeau | lmh: for vga that's the 80x25 textmode |
| 20:30.37 | evilbulgarian | tarzeau, Maulkin : its a image filtering software "http://www.ltutech.com/en/technology-and-products.image-seeker.html" |
| 20:30.38 | formorer | erikh: bypass set |
| 20:30.45 | formorer | erikh: which version do you have? |
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| 20:30.52 | erikh | the current in testing |
| 20:30.54 | erikh | let me check. |
| 20:31.00 | tarzeau | lmh: which is 720x400 in pixels i think |
| 20:31.08 | evilbulgarian | tarzeau, Maulkin : it requires redhat but i am wondering if it can be set up on debian and if someone here had done so |
| 20:31.10 | f- | stew, ok did that.. what do i do next? |
| 20:31.12 | lmh | tarzeau: can't i use framebuffer mode / something shiny and nice`? |
| 20:31.18 | erikh | 2.4.0 |
| 20:31.24 | tarzeau | lmh: framebuffer in linux is BULLSHIT |
| 20:31.26 | stew | f-: dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd-common |
| 20:31.27 | lmh | like 1400x1050 |
| 20:31.28 | tarzeau | lmh: far from shiny or nice |
| 20:31.29 | formorer | erikh: look at 15-content_filter_mode |
| 20:31.41 | f- | ah |
| 20:31.41 | f- | ok |
| 20:31.41 | tarzeau | lmh: but sure you can do something like that... go figure |
| 20:31.43 | stew | f-: if that still complains, then apt-get install pure-ftpd-common pure-ftpd |
| 20:31.55 | lmh | tarzeau: ok, any idea where to start? |
| 20:31.56 | tarzeau | evilbulgarian: it looks horrible. where is the source? |
| 20:31.57 | erikh | it's all commented out, save the 1 at the bottom. |
| 20:32.05 | tarzeau | lmh: really i don't care. i love textmode |
| 20:32.14 | CosmoDad | is there some package that makes it possible to replace certain parts in a text file by others, include new lines of texts, etc? |
| 20:32.15 | Maulkin | evilbulgarian: I can't see the download link so can't really tell |
| 20:32.27 | tarzeau | CosmoDad: sed? awk? |
| 20:32.27 | formorer | erikh: yeah and thats wrong :) |
| 20:32.32 | formorer | erikh: # Uncomment the two lines below to enable it back |
| 20:32.40 | formorer | erikh: its per default disabled |
| 20:32.53 | formorer | @bypass_virus_checks_maps = ( \%bypass_virus_checks, \@bypass_virus_checks_acl, \$bypass_virus_checks_re); |
| 20:32.54 | f- | stew, ok i reconfigured... (set it to standalone), /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start ain't starting pure-ftpd.. |
| 20:32.56 | CosmoDad | tarzeau: thought of that too, but I'd like to some nicely interfaced piece of software |
| 20:32.56 | erikh | aha |
| 20:32.56 | jair | stew: I think that init.d works good enough for me. |
| 20:33.01 | formorer | @bypass_spam_checks_maps = ( \%bypass_spam_checks, \@bypass_spam_checks_acl, \$bypass_spam_checks_re); |
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| 20:33.06 | formorer | and then it will be loaded ;) |
| 20:33.07 | erikh | I take it the virus maps are in a similar situation? |
| 20:33.26 | formorer | erikh: indeed |
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| 20:33.59 | erikh | is it in the av-scanners file? |
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| 20:34.02 | stew | f-: what does "netstat -plant | grep :21" return? anything? |
| 20:34.08 | f- | nop |
| 20:34.08 | erikh | I'm not seeing anything |
| 20:34.15 | lmh | anybody else an idea on how to activate fb with grub in 1400x1050 - mode? |
| 20:34.25 | formorer | erikh: its in the same file |
| 20:34.35 | formorer | erikh: bypass_spam and bypass_virus |
| 20:34.37 | erikh | oh man haha |
| 20:34.39 | erikh | thanks. |
| 20:34.41 | formorer | nop |
| 20:34.55 | f- | stew: root@nix:~# /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start root@nix:~# |
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| 20:35.05 | trovador | I just replaced XFree86 with X.org and i have problems with my keyboard, where can i reconfigure the keyboard setup? |
| 20:35.20 | stew | f-: doublecheck that /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common is now set to standalone |
| 20:35.22 | Maulkin | !drxx trovador |
| 20:35.22 | dpkg | trovador: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:35.41 | erikh | formorer: sweet, all checks out. thank you very much! |
| 20:35.44 | formorer | erikh: thanks god I know the amavis source code (even if it gets nightmares to me ;)) |
| 20:35.53 | erikh | yeah, it looks like some scary perl. |
| 20:36.04 | formorer | very scary |
| 20:36.11 | stew | lmh: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (or /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst) and append vga=0x344 to the "# kopt=" line, then run update-grub |
| 20:36.12 | f- | stew, it is |
| 20:36.13 | lazzarello | when's the BTS coming back online? |
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| 20:36.29 | Maulkin | formorer: Go look at blootbot sometime if you want wierd perl :) |
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| 20:36.32 | Tassium | lazzarello: ASAP. |
| 20:36.36 | lazzarello | excellent |
| 20:37.13 | formorer | nova:/etc/amavis/conf.d# wc -l /usr/sbin/amavisd-new |
| 20:37.13 | formorer | 14867 /usr/sbin/amavisd-new |
| 20:37.22 | formorer | nova:/etc/amavis/conf.d# grep package /usr/sbin/amavisd-new | wc -l |
| 20:37.22 | formorer | 51 |
| 20:37.26 | formorer | its awfull |
| 20:37.31 | chealer | lazzarello: when spohr is back. if you need a read access, use bugs.donarmstrong.com |
| 20:37.39 | stew | f-: i dunno then why it would work from the command line but not the init script. |
| 20:37.49 | f- | yeah weird |
| 20:38.22 | lazzarello | chealer, thanks |
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| 20:43.22 | jade | two keyword searchs on packages.debian.org is broken, showing diagnostics message, "Error: keyword not valid or missing", seeing that this has been broken for a while, who do I complain to about this? |
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| 20:44.06 | jade | n/m found it "To report a problem with the web site, e-mail debian-www@lists.debian.org. " |
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| 20:45.13 | erikh | formorer: holy cow! |
| 20:45.18 | erikh | yeah, that's a lot of mess |
| 20:45.23 | formorer | :) |
| 20:45.23 | erikh | but it's a complex program I guess |
| 20:45.39 | formorer | yeah |
| 20:45.52 | lmh | stew: unknown video mode |
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| 20:46.26 | stew | lmh: switch to a vt, run 'hwinfo --framebuffer" and pick one then |
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| 20:47.05 | erikh | now I'm getting a new failure |
| 20:47.17 | erikh | it doesn't like talking to clamav apparently, can't find a file |
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| 20:50.20 | zimnyx | I wonder whether to use LVM or normal partitioning |
| 20:50.58 | zimnyx | What is your opinion on that? |
| 20:51.09 | Vasistha | zimnyx: let's hear some of the details of your situation. Why would you, why wouldn't you? Or do you even know what things should effect the decision? |
| 20:51.21 | Tassium | zimnyx: Well, if you do go with LVM, consider using ReiserFS instead of ext2. I successfully resized my LVM but I need to find a LVM2-capable rescue disk so I can resize my ext3 filesystem |
| 20:51.21 | pipeline | zimnyx: You want to have a /boot on a normal partition either way. |
| 20:51.30 | pipeline | Tassium: ReiserFS? You must be kidding. |
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| 20:51.46 | Tassium | pipeline: Nope, why? |
| 20:51.51 | zimnyx | I have been using reiserFs for some time. |
| 20:52.10 | zimnyx | I got single 60GB hd |
| 20:52.25 | SuperCowPowers | anyone around? |
| 20:52.40 | Vasistha | SuperCowPowers: if you've got a question, feel free to just ask! |
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| 20:53.13 | neurocyte | Tassium, reiserfs is really great, ... until it blows up one day and destroys all your data |
| 20:53.43 | Vasistha | zimnyx: one big reason -not- to use lvm is if you ever dual boot a non-linux OS that cannot read lvm. But if you never do, that shouldn't be an issue. |
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| 20:54.26 | neurocyte | Vasistha, are there any non-linux oses that can read reiserfs anyway? |
| 20:54.29 | Vasistha | zimnyx: if you feel somewhat limited by the 60GB, and would have a need to be able to add a disk and mount a partition that straddles the old disk and the new one, that's a good reason to use lvm |
| 20:55.00 | Tassium | Since we're discussing LVM, does anyone know of a rescue disk that has LVM2 support and resize2fs? |
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| 20:55.08 | Vasistha | neurocyte: heh, that's a good point! Well, I know that there is, e.g., explore2fs which can read ext2 and maybe ext3 from windows, but not if it's on lvm |
| 20:55.24 | jetscreamer | Tassium: you might check #kanotix |
| 20:55.34 | Tassium | jetscreamer: I'll do that, thank you. |
| 20:55.47 | harald_ | so I tried installing xfonts-knickers. now the whole system is locked up because when trying to either install it or remove it, it fails because it can't find the "update-fonts-alias" script. what to do? |
| 20:55.59 | neurocyte | Tassium, doesn't the debian install CD's rescue shell have the lvm tools? I think it does. |
| 20:56.06 | Vasistha | zimnyx: on the other hand, if you have a good idea of how you will use the space, and can make a partition scheme and plan ahead, lvm might not garner any particular advantage |
| 20:56.26 | jetscreamer | Tassium: also ultimatebootcd.com or if you want ntfs write capability maybe ubcd4win.com |
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| 20:56.45 | Tassium | neurocyte: It doesn't have resize2fs though, which is what I need |
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| 20:56.47 | Vasistha | harald_: I don't know if I can help, but which version of debian are you using? sarge, etch, sid? |
| 20:57.05 | harald_ | Vasistha: running unstable |
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| 20:57.51 | Vasistha | harald_: indeed, I definitely cannot help you... good luck1 |
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| 20:57.56 | neurocyte | Tassium, if you were using ext3 or xfs you could resize the partition without unmounting :) |
| 20:58.16 | Tassium | neurocyte: You can't resize an ext3 filesystem that's mounted |
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| 20:58.32 | neurocyte | Tassium, yes you can, grow only though |
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| 20:58.53 | SuperCowPowers | Vasistha: sorry I kinda spaced off for a moment, I'm a bit drained at the moment, my question is, does Debian have a user by default named "nobody"? |
| 20:58.54 | Soeki | hi, can someone point me in the right direcction to install drivers for a ATI 9250 video card on sarge (kernel 2.6) |
| 20:58.57 | neurocyte | Tassium, same for xfs (grow only) |
| 20:58.57 | Tassium | neurocyte: How so? The tool complains if I try it on a mounted filesystem |
| 20:58.58 | harald_ | hee hee. I understand it's my fault for running unstable, but isn't there a way to force a purge of a package even if the script fails? |
| 20:59.20 | ic3man05 | hello, I have a problem with ut2004. It locked up my sound device and I want to unlock it without restarting |
| 20:59.26 | Blissex | harald_: just remove the script in '/var/lib/dpkg/' |
| 20:59.30 | SuperCowPowers | harald_: don't talk about sid like that, you make it sound like a bad thing |
| 20:59.41 | SuperCowPowers | harald_: sid PWNS sarge |
| 20:59.53 | Vasistha | SuperCowPowers: yeah, I believe it does have a "nobody" and a "nogroup", and the uid and gid are a very high number, maybe the max |
| 21:00.38 | abrotman | sid is a bad thing if you don't know what you're doing |
| 21:00.54 | stew | harald_: try to debug the script: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.{prerm,postrm} ; you should also check the bts for a bugreport and file one if it doesn't exist (and supply a patch for extra credit) |
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| 21:00.58 | Vasistha | ic3man05: 1) use ps to figure out the command line that started the daemon 2) killall ut2004 or whatever the app name is 3) start again with the command line you got from ps |
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| 21:01.33 | SuperCowPowers | Vasistha: I was just curious because I think someone from Czech was trying to connect to me and I was starting to go through my logs after that and there was some user "nobody" that su'd to root |
| 21:01.34 | stew | harald_: adding "set -x" to the second line of the script can help you figure out why it is breaking |
| 21:01.37 | SuperCowPowers | or was su'd by root |
| 21:01.39 | formorer | or use pgrep |
| 21:01.42 | Soeki | i tryed to use this guide: http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Debian_ATI_proprietary_display_driver_installation_through_APT --- but the packages arent there anymore |
| 21:01.52 | Soeki | anyone has been able to make it work? |
| 21:02.15 | Vasistha | SuperCowPowers: if "nobody" su'd to root, that sounds very dangerous. If root su'd to "nobody", I'd say that sounds like normal behavior |
| 21:02.25 | stew | SuperCowPowers: root su'ing to nobody is normal, its probably a deamon that needed to use root privileges to bind to a low port then dropped the priviliges to be safer |
| 21:02.32 | harald_ | stew: well, I know why it fails, update-fonts-alias is not installed in my system. so I guess there's a dependency missing? anyone know what package it belongs to? |
| 21:02.34 | Vasistha | !ati |
| 21:02.34 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt |
| 21:02.34 | neurocyte | Tassium, sorry, I'm mixed up, it's reiserfs (and xfs) that can be resized online |
| 21:02.41 | Vasistha | Soeki: ^^^ |
| 21:02.54 | Tassium | neurocyte: That's why I suggested he consider Reiser ;) Thanks anyway though. |
| 21:02.55 | Soeki | Vasistha thanks! |
| 21:02.57 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 21:02.57 | dpkg | tetrinet is, like, multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
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| 21:03.16 | Vasistha | uh oh, it's ubuntu |
| 21:03.21 | stew | harald_: xfonts-utils (/msg dpkg apt-file), which package is it? a bug should be filed that it is missing a depends on xfonts-utils |
| 21:03.28 | ubuntu_ | ... |
| 21:03.32 | ubuntu_ | oh noez |
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| 21:04.16 | Glanzmann | Where do I get full-featured current debs for debian etch (testing)? |
| 21:04.31 | Glanzmann | Where do I get full-featured current mplayer debs for debian etch (testing)? |
| 21:04.36 | Vasistha | Glanzmann: do you have etch in your sources.lst ? |
| 21:04.40 | stew | Glanzmann: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 21:05.14 | sid | !ops Surfer4 is a spammer |
| 21:05.14 | erikh | Surfer4 is a spammer! |
| 21:05.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: sid complains about: Surfer4 is a spammer |
| 21:05.25 | Glanzmann | sounds good. |
| 21:05.27 | Glanzmann | thanks |
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| 21:06.52 | Maulkin | Ta stew :) |
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| 21:08.03 | mentor | spiffy |
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| 21:08.19 | SuperCowPowers | Glanzmann: apt-cache search mplayer |
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| 21:08.44 | streuner | hm |
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| 21:09.35 | christor | Hi |
| 21:10.10 | ProphetPX | hi ppl |
| 21:10.46 | Soeki | Vasistha which kernel headers shoul i use if im on a p4 2.4 using an intel 875 PBZ? |
| 21:10.48 | Glanzmann | SuperCowPowers: apt-cache search crippled-software |
| 21:11.07 | Glanzmann | found: sudo, mplayer, lftp, screen |
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| 21:11.36 | ProphetPX | interesting ... never been here much before and i am learning alot just by example! :-) |
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| 21:11.58 | christor | is there only wpa_supplicant which allows us to connect wifi network using wpa auth? |
| 21:12.08 | ProphetPX | except my apt-cache search for crippled software doesn't return that ... lol |
| 21:12.17 | Glanzmann | Soeki: Try the ones that fit the kernel you're running. |
| 21:12.34 | Glanzmann | ProphetPX: Maybe it is crippled? |
| 21:12.39 | abrotman | stew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:12.41 | ProphetPX | lol dunno |
| 21:12.41 | ktwilight | iwpriv is card dependent or is there a global set of options? |
| 21:12.54 | stew | &tell abrotman about ep :) |
| 21:13.00 | ktwilight | just found out that iwpriv options is killin' my boot |
| 21:13.40 | Glanzmann | (travelmate) [/data/.data0/XVID-GER/inc/AV_TS] mplayer VTS_05_1.XVO |
| 21:13.41 | Glanzmann | /usr/bin/mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51: undefined symbol: faacDecOpen |
| 21:13.44 | Glanzmann | Anyone? |
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| 21:14.26 | ProphetPX | Anyone have any idea about how to remove a package that is half-installed? |
| 21:14.31 | ktwilight | you need to install the libavcodec, though i think it's against debian's rules? |
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| 21:14.46 | nkuttler | ProphetPX: define half installed |
| 21:14.59 | abrotman | purge the package? |
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| 21:15.22 | ProphetPX | der, dpkg -s says "half-configured" (my bad) |
| 21:15.26 | Glanzmann | I think it is a dependency which isn't installed |
| 21:15.33 | phaedrus_ | bah |
| 21:15.56 | ProphetPX | it's fnfxd, it depends on a kernel module which I can't use since I am on a desktop PC lol |
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| 21:16.33 | ProphetPX | it was fool mistake of mine lol |
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| 21:17.02 | ProphetPX | purging does no good, since its not the config that makes me pull my own hair lol |
| 21:17.38 | abrotman | Glanzmann: more likely is that the version is wrong |
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| 21:19.33 | ProphetPX | upon trying to dpkg -r (remove), a script tries to start the module and thus fails, exiting an error code which stops dpkg -r from removing it (DOH!!!) |
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| 21:19.47 | Phlexonance | does anyone know which libs/codecs I need to view H.264/ 720p HDTV movies on debian? |
| 21:19.52 | SuperCowPowers | what do you guys make of this? |
| 21:19.56 | no0ke | someone name me a package that's 'non-free' |
| 21:19.56 | SuperCowPowers | tcp 0 0 192.168.0.100:38513 147.251.52.140:443 TIME_WAIT |
| 21:20.11 | ProphetPX | ew SSL |
| 21:20.17 | ProphetPX | beware! lol |
| 21:20.32 | SuperCowPowers | when I have no reason for anything from czech to connect to me, let alone from a "computer science univesity" |
| 21:20.40 | SuperCowPowers | or institute, whatever |
| 21:21.00 | ProphetPX | which end was yours? the SSL or the 38513 |
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| 21:21.31 | SuperCowPowers | ProphetPX: I would be the 192.168.0.100 in this case :P |
| 21:21.36 | ProphetPX | ah |
| 21:21.49 | ProphetPX | well then it would not be a case of anyone trying to contact you, but you contacting their SSL port |
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| 21:22.13 | ProphetPX | perhaps a rogue process on your machine if you don't remember what it could be from |
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| 21:22.26 | ProphetPX | 443 is SSL port |
| 21:22.57 | no0ke | someone name me a package that's 'non-free' |
| 21:23.01 | neurocyte | can anyone tell me how to use jigdo with only a .template file? ie. how do I use the unofficial unstable jido files, there's no .jigdo in the directory, only a .template |
| 21:23.07 | ProphetPX | Another thing, with my problem here, is that even trying to do a --force-thing on fnfxd, it wont help |
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| 21:23.24 | jerware | hi |
| 21:23.25 | SuperCowPowers | ProphetPX: I've never attempted to connect to anything czech before |
| 21:23.27 | ProphetPX | dpkg -r --force-anything does no good |
| 21:23.28 | StyXman | no0ke: java? |
| 21:23.44 | undrdawg | no0ke, Microsoft windows :D |
| 21:23.56 | ProphetPX | SuperCowPowers: well I am not saying YOU yourself personally would, hence, unrecognized rogue process :-) |
| 21:24.05 | ProphetPX | LOL dpkg |
| 21:24.20 | undrdawg | does anyone here actually use sun's java? |
| 21:24.36 | Phlexonance | sure |
| 21:24.37 | abrotman | lots of people .. just ask |
| 21:24.50 | undrdawg | i did |
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| 21:25.00 | ProphetPX | ok where else can i ask about this ... |
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| 21:25.09 | Phlexonance | does anyone know which libs/codecs I need to view H.264/ 720p HDTV movies on debian? something like the matroska splitter for windows |
| 21:25.10 | stew | no0ke: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-i386/Packages |
| 21:25.10 | SuperCowPowers | java is crap |
| 21:25.15 | jerware | indeed |
| 21:25.16 | undrdawg | i was just wondering if it was really superior to the free alternatives |
| 21:25.26 | undrdawg | SuperCowPowers it has its place |
| 21:25.34 | tansaku | hi - newbie question, is there a sure way to check which version of debian I have (stable/testing/unstable) |
| 21:25.44 | SuperCowPowers | undrdawg: yeah if java has it's place then so does VB |
| 21:25.52 | undrdawg | i dont program in java but its nice to run a java app once in a while |
| 21:25.53 | Tassium | tansaku: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:25.57 | undrdawg | no |
| 21:26.04 | undrdawg | java is way better than vb |
| 21:26.09 | stew | tansaku: cat /etc/debian_version ; or dpkg -l libc6 ; and compare that to the versions on http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 21:26.11 | jerware | im having a tad bit of trouble implementing a Debian box as a router. |
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| 21:26.32 | undrdawg | but there's programs written in java |
| 21:26.51 | Ab3l | hi, whats the uri for FontPath in Files section of "XF86Config" file ? |
| 21:26.52 | jerware | i can ping both linux interfaces from my cisco router, and i can ping the cisco router from the linux box, but i cant ping any other node on the network remote or a hop away from the cisco router, |
| 21:26.53 | jerware | [cisco]-----192.168.3.0------[linuxRtr]------192.168.1.0------[linksys] |
| 21:27.06 | undrdawg | so i dont limit myself to "OMG that has to suck because its not coded in C" |
| 21:27.14 | Phlexonance | I do VB and Java @ school, and I like java more |
| 21:27.19 | jerware | i cant ping the 192.168.1.0 network from the cisco exepct the inteface on the linux box |
| 21:27.30 | jerware | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Cp0WLf95.html the route table of the linux box |
| 21:27.56 | stew | jerware: what does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" say on the router? |
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| 21:28.11 | Ab3l | hi, whats the uri for FontPath in Files section of "XF86Config" file ? HELP |
| 21:28.27 | jerware | stew: 0 |
| 21:28.44 | ProphetPX | java is superior to VB in that it can run ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME. VB? eh, yer stuck in windows land forever |
| 21:28.58 | neurocyte | jerware, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 21:29.17 | undrdawg | does vb even have polymorphism? |
| 21:29.22 | jerware | no |
| 21:29.23 | Ab3l | y |
| 21:29.25 | jerware | vb is not oop |
| 21:29.28 | beardy | Ab3l: It's where your fonts are. And it's filled in by default, isn't it? WHere have yours went? |
| 21:29.31 | jerware | i dont think at least |
| 21:29.35 | stew | jerware: that's why then. edit /etc/network/options, change the ip_forward to yes, then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:29.38 | undrdawg | vp is object oriented |
| 21:29.42 | undrdawg | but in its own way |
| 21:29.45 | tansaku | stew: thanks - very helpful |
| 21:29.46 | jerware | stew thanx pal |
| 21:29.51 | jerware | and neurocyte |
| 21:29.52 | ProphetPX | lolololol |
| 21:29.55 | Ab3l | on my points to /unix:7100 but xserver says it's wrong |
| 21:29.59 | Phlexonance | vb.net is more oop than the older versions |
| 21:30.06 | ProphetPX | lolol in it's own way |
| 21:30.10 | undrdawg | all applicatiosn that open a window is oop |
| 21:30.22 | SuperCowPowers | undrdawg: I didn't say all that, but java does suck almost as much as vb |
| 21:30.25 | ProphetPX | that's not true (all that open a window, etc...) |
| 21:30.39 | eddiecheng | i have 2 users abc and cba. i want user abc when connecting to ftp able to browse /home/cba directories. I need to setup a group and put both of them in right ? |
| 21:30.41 | ProphetPX | oop is about objects, instead of simple 2d linear flow |
| 21:30.43 | eddiecheng | i am using proftpd |
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| 21:30.51 | undrdawg | Form1 is an object |
| 21:31.19 | phaedrus_ | bah |
| 21:31.26 | Derek1 | does anyone know how to tell grub to boot up in 1152x864 resolution? |
| 21:31.29 | beardy | Ab3l: That tells X to try to use a fontserver, if one is running. Under that there should be direct paths to the directories where your fonts are located, which will be used if you don't run a fontserver, or if X can't reach it. Do you have those entries aswell? |
| 21:31.30 | Ab3l | beardy how the path should look like ? |
| 21:31.39 | ProphetPX | when an app opens a window, that doesnt mean it was made with some kinda OOP language |
| 21:31.41 | phaedrus_ | how can i make /mnt/ipod and /mnt/music writeable by all users? |
| 21:31.47 | Ab3l | no |
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| 21:32.24 | undrdawg | SuperCowPowers, i think thats a bad comparison |
| 21:32.27 | beardy | Ab3l: I haven't run xorg myself, so I don't know how it's default configfiles look, xfree86's had those static entries though.. |
| 21:32.33 | Thrae | phaedrus_: chmod 777 |
| 21:32.34 | Derek1 | chmod -R 777 /mnt/ipod |
| 21:32.35 | jetscreamer | phaedrus_: man mount, search umask. |
| 21:32.38 | jetscreamer | or that |
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| 21:32.48 | jetscreamer | but what fs is it |
| 21:32.52 | undrdawg | theres not many programming languages that can suck as much as vb |
| 21:33.00 | beardy | Ab3l: What is the exact error xorg gives you? |
| 21:33.07 | jetscreamer | oh you like basica eh |
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| 21:33.17 | Dion_AS | Hi all :-) For some reason since today inkscape stopped working. I went to #inkscape and people there told me to come here. |
| 21:33.18 | Ab3l | i gt xfree no xorg i never said i got xorg ;) |
| 21:33.21 | Tassium | undrdawg: GWBASIC |
| 21:33.25 | ProphetPX | lol |
| 21:33.27 | Ab3l | gdm simply does not starts |
| 21:33.28 | Phlexonance | its about taste, I rather use vb than c, buts thats just my opinion |
| 21:33.35 | eddiecheng | where to edit to change a users default ftp root direcotry ??? |
| 21:33.36 | phaedrus_ | Thrae: i did chmod 777 /mnt/ipod |
| 21:33.40 | undrdawg | when i said "not many" i was making room for the other BASICs |
| 21:33.44 | Ab3l | and in log complains about fonts |
| 21:33.46 | beardy | Ab3l: Ok, I thought you did, my mistake then. |
| 21:33.49 | phaedrus_ | and i still cannot transfer files to that dir |
| 21:33.53 | ProphetPX | supposedly xorg is more modern than xfree86 - is this true nowadays? |
| 21:33.58 | phaedrus_ | says permission denied |
| 21:34.01 | Thrae | phaedrus_: chmod -R 777 |
| 21:34.05 | phaedrus_ | oh |
| 21:34.11 | ProphetPX | btw i liked basic :-) |
| 21:34.14 | jetscreamer | phaedrus_: mount it with the umask option |
| 21:34.14 | Dion_AS | Several people in #inkscape reported the same bug, seems related to libgtk2.0-0 |
| 21:34.31 | beardy | Ab3l: Have you edited the config yourself, manually, or used one of the net or similar? Or is it the default dpkg-reconfigure created config? |
| 21:34.37 | Tassium | ProphetPX: Yes, for various definitions of modern. |
| 21:34.38 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: so did i but it was the only language available in school except for cobol |
| 21:34.44 | ProphetPX | :-) thx |
| 21:34.52 | phaedrus_ | thank you very much |
| 21:35.03 | undrdawg | lol your school sucks |
| 21:35.04 | ProphetPX | lol i woulda picked COBOL had i known better. Besides my schools never offered it :-\ |
| 21:35.08 | Ab3l | i lost old one than replaced with a mandrake one edited and all sounds good except the url for fonts |
| 21:35.12 | beardy | Ab3l: But please paste the exact error message in a pastebin if more than one line. |
| 21:35.25 | ProphetPX | COBOL may be ancient but it is still in very heavy use, industrially |
| 21:35.36 | Ab3l | which seems to be different in debian and all i ned to know i what path is hould tell to FontPAth ad i'll be all done |
| 21:35.39 | ProphetPX | I coulda got a good job had I known it |
| 21:35.41 | undrdawg | looking at it gives me a headache |
| 21:35.41 | beardy | ProphetPX: Sucks as bad nevertheless, doesn't it. |
| 21:35.47 | ProphetPX | hell ya |
| 21:35.47 | Ab3l | can't i got one machine only |
| 21:35.59 | beardy | Ab3l: Don't use that. |
| 21:36.01 | Ab3l | i've to switch to windows to talk here |
| 21:36.04 | jetscreamer | undrdawg: there were no pc's at the time |
| 21:36.05 | beardy | !drxx Ab3l |
| 21:36.05 | dpkg | Ab3l: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:36.26 | Vasistha | Dion_AS: I don't think I can help you with your problem, but it would be good to describe it, and say whether you are using stable/testing/unstable |
| 21:36.28 | Ab3l | did recxonfigure many times but it simply writes nothing |
| 21:36.28 | undrdawg | what were the students programming? |
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| 21:36.34 | Ab3l | to xf86config |
| 21:36.36 | jetscreamer | ppl would have said wtf is intel |
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| 21:36.47 | ProphetPX | at my school it was either BASIC or ... BASIC :-P |
| 21:36.47 | tansaku | I have a question regarding how to move between different versions (stable/testing/unstable). I was thinking it might be simpler to re-install from scratch, but an aquaintance is trying to convince me that this can easily be done with apt |
| 21:36.52 | beardy | Ab3l: Remove your current config, and do as I say. |
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| 21:36.53 | Ab3l | perhaps on my pc |
| 21:36.56 | rolo | where is it that X, saves the logs? |
| 21:36.56 | ProphetPX | my friend at least had a choice of that or Pascal |
| 21:36.59 | Ab3l | done |
| 21:37.03 | Ab3l | no change |
| 21:37.04 | ProphetPX | at his school |
| 21:37.08 | rolo | i still cant get X to work |
| 21:37.14 | Ab3l | if no config is present it neither creates a nw one |
| 21:37.16 | jetscreamer | tansaku: you can't downgrade. upgrade is ok |
| 21:37.25 | undrdawg | basic in high school? |
| 21:37.26 | beardy | Ab3l: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' what happens? |
| 21:37.29 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 21:37.32 | ProphetPX | I started insalling with stable and ended up with unstable/testing :-P |
| 21:37.37 | Ab3l | the gui appear and le me configure |
| 21:37.38 | rezzen | how do i clone a debian kernel/make .deb package of kernel installed by source? |
| 21:37.38 | undrdawg | did they teach you this in math? |
| 21:37.45 | streuner | rolo: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 21:37.46 | ProphetPX | basic in high school yep ... |
| 21:37.52 | Ab3l | but whene the task i finished it created NO files nor modified any |
| 21:37.58 | Vasistha | tansaku: it depends which change you want to perform. I have heard that it is relatively smooth goin from stable to testing, but going backwards might be more difficult, though I'm not sure |
| 21:38.00 | jetscreamer | rezzen: just download it from pdo |
| 21:38.01 | Dion_AS | Vasistha: using debian unstable and inkscape 0.43-5. Inkscape worked ok untill a few days ago. Today I found out it does not run any more. When I try to run it I get this error: ** ERROR **: file inkscape.cpp: line 781 (Inkscape::XML::Node* inkscape_get_repr(Inkscape::Application*, const gchar*)): assertion failed: (!(strcmp (repr->name(), "inkscape"))) |
| 21:38.01 | Dion_AS | aborting... |
| 21:38.10 | Ab3l | so if i remove xf85config affter reconfigure there'll be none still |
| 21:38.18 | jetscreamer | rezzen: if you want to compile the config of uname -r is automagically sucked in |
| 21:38.25 | Ab3l | neither reconfigure changes the current one |
| 21:38.26 | undrdawg | our math textbooks had basic in the back of the books but they didnt teach it |
| 21:38.29 | beardy | Ab3l: ANd I guess you don't have the default one backuped? |
| 21:38.37 | Ab3l | exactlly |
| 21:38.38 | ProphetPX | well it wasnt in math class at mine. perhaps at his |
| 21:38.38 | Ab3l | ;) |
| 21:38.42 | rolo | streuner: it says VGA compatible controller and the name ofmy card |
| 21:38.43 | Vasistha | Dion_AS: sucks... welcome to debian unstable :P hopefully it will be fixed in a few days. I run sarge, myself |
| 21:38.43 | jetscreamer | Ab3l: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and then do the xmd5sum thing on it |
| 21:38.46 | jetscreamer | !xmd5 |
| 21:38.47 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 21:38.47 | Derek1 | transaku: just change sarge or whatever to etch or sid in your /etx/apt/sources.list then do apt-get update; apt-get distupgrade |
| 21:38.52 | jetscreamer | then do the drxx |
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| 21:38.59 | ProphetPX | hell at my high school we had computer repair class *VBG* |
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| 21:39.05 | rezzen | jetscreamer, pdo? anyway, i'm hoping get the kernel precisely as conf'd on one machine. |
| 21:39.08 | Ab3l | did it but since i previously attempted to launch ith the mandrake config |
| 21:39.09 | streuner | rolo: fine :-) Are you care to tell us the result? |
| 21:39.11 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 21:39.11 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 21:39.15 | Derek1 | apt-get dist-upgrade i mean |
| 21:39.19 | beardy | Ab3l: oh, what jetscreamer said above |
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| 21:39.26 | Ab3l | debby changed the md5 backup with the drake on e so original i lost |
| 21:39.34 | Dion_AS | Vasistha: inkscape has been the same since 6 months so it is not a problem with inkscape I guess. |
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| 21:39.56 | rezzen | is cloning a kernel possible? |
| 21:40.03 | undrdawg | you are trying to "run" something and you get a c++ error? |
| 21:40.04 | rolo | yes it says: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on Xserver"0:0" |
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| 21:40.12 | rolo | thats when i try to run startx |
| 21:40.21 | rezzen | (in debian?) similarly to '# |
| 21:40.21 | rezzen | rpmbuild -ba kernel*.spec |
| 21:40.21 | rezzen | ' |
| 21:40.25 | Tassium | rezzen: What do you mean by cloning a kernel? |
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| 21:40.31 | Vasistha | rezzen: there is a place in debian where the current config is stored, I'm trying to remember... |
| 21:40.31 | Ab3l | btw to be short what FontPath says on yours ? |
| 21:40.37 | undrdawg | oh i see |
| 21:40.41 | rezzen | build a .deb of kernel that has been installed by source. |
| 21:40.49 | undrdawg | what debuger do you use Dion_AS? |
| 21:40.52 | rolo | i remember there was a file where X saved the logs , so one could check what was wrong ... dont remember where... it said something like (EE) and the error |
| 21:41.15 | rezzen | config is not retrievable. it was stored where it should be, and it was not compiled with the option to store the config in the image. |
| 21:41.18 | beardy | Ab3l: No X here. But yours will be correct, when dpkg-reconfigure is done. |
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| 21:41.26 | rezzen | *err was not stored |
| 21:41.32 | Vasistha | rezzen: is it a debian kernel that you are trying to copy onto another debian machine? |
| 21:41.42 | rezzen | Vasistha, yes. |
| 21:41.44 | rolo | streuner : ? |
| 21:41.44 | tansaku | jetscreamer: my acquaintance is convinced that downgrade is not only possible, but easy - can you think of any evidence I can use to convince him he is incorrect? |
| 21:42.13 | beardy | Ab3l: And it's not only one FontPath, IIRC it's a lot of lines. |
| 21:42.15 | Ab3l | i may have permissions set wrong or similar but reconfigure DOES CHANGES nothing! to me |
| 21:42.17 | tansaku | jetscreamer: he claims I can just do apt-get -t testing/stable dist-upgrade |
| 21:42.33 | Ab3l | i need just one of 'em |
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| 21:42.40 | beardy | Ab3l: Have you done what jetscreamer told you? |
| 21:42.44 | Ab3l | yes |
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| 21:42.57 | Ab3l | no result |
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| 21:43.56 | Dion_AS | undrdawg: I don't know. Not very experienced. Never used a debugger. |
| 21:44.06 | jair | do you guys know, if I need to install samba or winbind if I want to have the unix/linux servers authenticate through the same active directory? |
| 21:44.08 | Vasistha | tansaku: well, for one thing, the system is not -designed- to upgrade backwards. Packages may be updated in the wrong order. *this is a guess, I don't know this* |
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| 21:44.39 | Derek1 | transaku: just change sarge or whatever to etch or sid in your /etc/apt/sources.list then do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:44.56 | evaded | Hi guys |
| 21:44.58 | Vasistha | jair: those tools (samba and winbind) are both for windows networking... |
| 21:45.03 | Derek1 | hrllo |
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| 21:45.55 | tansaku | Derek1: I'm not so interested in switching between etch/sarge/woody etc., as I am in switching a unstable or testing box to be a stable box |
| 21:46.06 | phaedrus_ | wooohoooo thanks ...got my ipod working with Debian |
| 21:46.09 | Derek1 | oh i see |
| 21:46.10 | phaedrus_ | im so happy! |
| 21:46.38 | Derek1 | that may not be easy to downgrade |
| 21:46.38 | Vasistha | tansaku: you know, depending how much configuration you've done, it really might be easier to just do a clean install... especially if you have the HDD space to just put it on another disk, or another partition |
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| 21:46.51 | Vasistha | phaedrus_: curious, did you use gtkpod? |
| 21:47.04 | evaded | I currently use 'slrn' for reading the on the Usenet. Thanks guys, you're to crazy, i love it :-) I use in 'xterm', so an when there are an link in an message, the link are been bold but not clickable like when i run it in an 'Gnome Terminal'. Can you give me some tips? |
| 21:47.04 | neoxan_ | hello |
| 21:47.04 | phaedrus_ | i want to...but i used gnupod |
| 21:47.08 | neoxan_ | my name is neoxan! |
| 21:47.12 | neoxan_ | hi all! |
| 21:47.16 | phaedrus_ | i think gtkpod will be better |
| 21:47.17 | neoxan_ | how are you? |
| 21:47.17 | dpkg | neoxan_: just great |
| 21:47.20 | Derek1 | hello |
| 21:47.21 | neoxan_ | fine |
| 21:47.29 | abrotman | neoxan_: who owns you? |
| 21:47.35 | phaedrus_ | but i need to learn hopw to launch an app as root will i am logged in as user |
| 21:47.37 | neoxan_ | owns? |
| 21:47.37 | streuner | haha |
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| 21:47.51 | streuner | abrotman refering to a bot |
| 21:47.55 | abrotman | neoxan_: do you have a debian question ? |
| 21:48.00 | neoxan_ | yes |
| 21:48.04 | abrotman | ok .. let's hear it |
| 21:48.08 | neoxan_ | i do have a debian question |
| 21:48.11 | phaedrus_ | i keep getting can't connect ot xserver message when i try to launch gtkpod as root from console |
| 21:48.12 | neoxan_ | ok |
| 21:48.13 | neoxan_ | wait |
| 21:48.21 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 21:48.21 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 21:48.23 | Derek1 | phaedrus_: su root |
| 21:48.25 | Vasistha | neoxan_: ^^^ |
| 21:48.25 | neoxan_ | ok |
| 21:48.26 | neoxan_ | sorrx |
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| 21:48.34 | evaded | So it's looks that the links are not clickable, only in 'Gnome Konsole' it's clickable. I have already search on the net, but i not realy know where or what i need to search to :-/ |
| 21:48.35 | neoxan_ | i mean, ok sorry |
| 21:49.02 | neoxan_ | im new to irc |
| 21:49.18 | phaedrus_ | Derek1: su root? |
| 21:49.21 | neoxan_ | i used to have java chat! |
| 21:49.35 | Vasistha | evaded: hmm, I've personally never seen clickable links within a terminal, sounds like a special gnome feature |
| 21:49.39 | evaded | neoxan_: chat are really cool and easy to use :-) |
| 21:49.49 | evaded | neoxan_: i mean 'xchat' |
| 21:49.54 | neoxan_ | so, my question, is there any good musicarchiver for debian? |
| 21:49.56 | Vasistha | neoxan_: do you have a debian question? If so, plase feel free to just ask your question. |
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| 21:50.03 | Vasistha | neoxan_: heh, excuse me :-) |
| 21:50.07 | abrotman | neoxan_: what do oyu mean by "archiver" ? |
| 21:50.09 | SuperCowPowers | xchat?1 |
| 21:50.14 | SuperCowPowers | it's all about irssi |
| 21:50.20 | neoxan_ | i dont know... to sort music and stuff |
| 21:50.20 | ProphetPX | lolol java chat |
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| 21:50.28 | abrotman | neoxan_: like .. a music player? |
| 21:50.31 | SuperCowPowers | to hell with java |
| 21:50.31 | neoxan_ | like many mp3s |
| 21:50.38 | SuperCowPowers | ncurses |
| 21:50.40 | abrotman | neoxan_: there are many .. apt-cache search mp3 player |
| 21:50.41 | ProphetPX | The Godfather is gr8 for that, neoxan_ |
| 21:50.48 | neoxan_ | nah, not a player, something to put it in a database |
| 21:50.50 | evaded | Vasistha: So we need to select the link in 'slrn' (xterm) and then paste it in an webbrowser. It's so i have always do it ;-) |
| 21:50.53 | neoxan_ | and search for titels |
| 21:50.53 | phaedrus_ | Xlib: connection to ":1.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 21:50.57 | ProphetPX | but i dont know of an FOSS vesion |
| 21:50.59 | phaedrus_ | thats the error i get |
| 21:51.00 | undrdawg | irssi rules |
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| 21:51.29 | neoxan_ | archives |
| 21:51.30 | ProphetPX | MCD is a music database app |
| 21:51.31 | neoxan_ | :) |
| 21:51.31 | abrotman | neoxan_: try `apt-cache search <term1> <term2>` etc |
| 21:51.40 | evaded | neoxan_: I want to suggest you to use 'xchat', an graphical app, also avalaible for that M$ |
| 21:51.41 | hjubal | goodnight |
| 21:51.42 | undrdawg | its also McDonalds |
| 21:51.57 | undrdawg | those unoriginal bastards :D |
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| 21:52.16 | neoxan_ | im using xchat |
| 21:52.22 | neoxan_ | but i used to have java chat :) |
| 21:52.38 | rezzen | re: cloning kernel. 'fakeroot make-kpkg' seems like it might do the trick. |
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| 21:52.54 | neoxan_ | im a 54 year old noob |
| 21:52.57 | neoxan_ | :-) |
| 21:53.02 | evaded | undrdawg: How do you do (with irssi) if i past an link. Try to explain me please ;-) select and past?? I'm an 'xchat' and 'irssi' fan :-) |
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| 21:53.19 | evaded | neoxan_: You're Welcome :-) |
| 21:53.24 | undrdawg | evaded, you need gpm |
| 21:53.28 | streuner | neoxan_: why not troll somewhere else? |
| 21:53.32 | undrdawg | to copy and paste in terminal |
| 21:53.38 | neoxan_ | troll? |
| 21:53.43 | ProphetPX | xchat is easier to use than most other IRC apps I have tried |
| 21:53.47 | neoxan_ | im not trolling |
| 21:53.52 | evaded | undrdawg: Yeah, been probably ;-) Going to look and try it :-) Thanks ;-) |
| 21:53.53 | ProphetPX | and has linux as well as windows versions for it |
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| 21:54.45 | evaded | undrdawg: It was not installed :-p |
| 21:54.46 | undrdawg | np |
| 21:54.58 | undrdawg | are you running in X? |
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| 21:55.22 | undrdawg | you should run it as a bootscript |
| 21:55.24 | neoxan_ | god bless you all! |
| 21:55.26 | neoxan_ | good night! |
| 21:55.27 | undrdawg | but dont start it while X is running |
| 21:55.30 | streuner | !ops neoxan_ is a troll - we should get rid of him |
| 21:55.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: streuner complains about: neoxan_ is a troll - we should get rid of him |
| 21:55.39 | undrdawg | bye neoxan_ |
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| 21:55.49 | ProphetPX | oh god he is not trolling |
| 21:55.53 | evaded | undrdawg: Yes, i run Fluxbox now |
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| 21:56.01 | undrdawg | haha |
| 21:56.23 | don_inlab | streuner: use /ignore if you have a problem with people, please. |
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| 21:56.36 | don_inlab | streuner: calling them trolls is not terribly productive. |
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| 21:56.48 | streuner | don_inlab: well, do you have any idea what 'Hans Wurst' means? |
| 21:56.57 | evaded | undrdawg: So i guess i need to leave my environment (for 5 minutes) and restart X or so? I have not been good understand what i need to do ;-) |
| 21:56.59 | undrdawg | if you're running irssi in a virtual terminal why not just use one that allows copy / paste |
| 21:57.04 | undrdawg | no |
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| 21:57.10 | undrdawg | just use xterm or something |
| 21:57.30 | streuner | don_inlab: Do you have any idea that he visited us in #mhall and said "neoxan_> i am here to troll a bit |
| 21:57.32 | amphi | streuner: I was a little incredulous when I saw that |
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| 21:57.41 | undrdawg | you have to right click |
| 21:57.47 | don_inlab | streuner: that's great |
| 21:57.47 | evaded | undrdawg: I only find that 'Gnome Terminal' that does it :-( xterm, eterm no do it :-( |
| 21:58.05 | streuner | don_inlab: well, if you haven't any idea you should ask first. |
| 21:58.05 | amphi | evaded: what about rxvt? |
| 21:58.13 | GeorgeS069 | howdy folks |
| 21:58.24 | evaded | amphi: Yes, you ask it :-P, yea, what about it??? |
| 21:58.37 | undrdawg | hmm the latest one i compiled did |
| 21:58.47 | evaded | amphi: I not see it at first instance. Google ... |
| 21:58.49 | don_inlab | streuner: it doesn't matter what people have been doing in other channels. When they're here, you should be treating them with respect. If you have a problem with that, you need to go elsewhere. |
| 21:59.23 | streuner | don_inlab: you aren't talking about the problem, the problem is that he is a troll. |
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| 21:59.49 | undrdawg | omfgpwnt |
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| 22:00.10 | beardy | undrdawg: Talk like people. |
| 22:00.12 | zinx | omfgursoriteundrdawg |
| 22:00.15 | evaded | amphi: So i guess i need to install it? |
| 22:00.52 | undrdawg | heh, beardy, i typed that sort of out of sarcasm because it looks like a blob of text |
| 22:01.06 | beardy | undrdawg: Fair enough. |
| 22:01.14 | undrdawg | in reference to "troll" |
| 22:01.19 | evaded | amphi: I not know many about that. I begin realy to leave the terminal, so i have no many 'terms'(jargon) experience of it ;-) |
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| 22:01.30 | evaded | s/leave/love !!! |
| 22:01.37 | ProphetPX | geeesh |
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| 22:02.54 | GeorgeS069 | Could someone please help me...I'm using Etch and I upgraded Postfix and as it was installing I got an error...the error is on the bug list as #348645 and I was wondering if someone knew a quick fix since the bug is now mark closed |
| 22:04.28 | don_inlab | GeorgeS069: the easy fix is to download the version of that package from unstable, and dpkg -i it. |
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| 22:05.08 | don_inlab | GeorgeS069: rather, what version of postfix are you installing? |
| 22:05.15 | evaded | amphi: Idem with rxvt. But 'gpm' are now installed, so i guess i need to restart that x here or so? |
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| 22:05.48 | GeorgeS069 | just a sec and I'll check the version |
| 22:06.17 | coreid | hi guys,anybody having problems with sound on debian unstable ? |
| 22:06.40 | GeorgeS069 | version is 2.2.10-1 |
| 22:06.40 | Fabricio | olĆ” |
| 22:06.49 | evaded | ole |
| 22:07.02 | Fabricio | Ć© brasileiro?? |
| 22:07.13 | lunitik | !br |
| 22:07.13 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:07.17 | epsilon | #debian.br |
| 22:07.21 | ProphetPX | i am |
| 22:07.23 | thingfish | em #debian-br tem |
| 22:07.31 | Fabricio | obrigado |
| 22:07.35 | Fabricio | atƩ mais |
| 22:07.36 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 22:07.37 | amphi | evaded: what's gpm got to do with it? |
| 22:07.42 | DaBlade | I've got quite an odd problem here |
| 22:07.44 | coreid | most programs work but banshee is crashing and I have updated to latest libasound2 |
| 22:07.48 | thingfish | ntdq |
| 22:07.49 | DaBlade | I was playing a game called Tremulous that crashed |
| 22:07.53 | DaBlade | Now my mouse refuses to move. |
| 22:08.03 | DaBlade | The pointer just sits there and doesn't move |
| 22:08.05 | epsilon | restart X |
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| 22:08.17 | ProphetPX | just run alsaconf |
| 22:08.25 | amphi | evaded: apart from the fact that you probably want to set it up as a repeater, and use /dev/gpmdata as X's mouse device |
| 22:08.26 | DaBlade | epsilon: I was trying to avoid that not to kill certain aps |
| 22:08.27 | evaded | amphi: I not know. Somebody suggest to install it. Like it's to have the mouse working in the terminal. I think ... But i'm not sure where i go to :-/ |
| 22:08.28 | DaBlade | *apps |
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| 22:08.54 | ProphetPX | maybe tricking with gpm might reset the mouse while in X ? |
| 22:08.58 | DaBlade | Bah, die, Xorg. :P |
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| 22:09.01 | evaded | amphi: Euuhmm, i not know :-/ |
| 22:09.04 | ProphetPX | haha |
| 22:09.13 | amphi | evaded: gpm gives some mouse support in VTs, I've never used except for copy 'n' paste |
| 22:09.14 | coreid | ProphetPX: alsaconf works fine, drivers load and the volume levels are set proper too. |
| 22:09.14 | zinx | ProphetPX: Not even close. |
| 22:09.31 | GeorgeS069 | if it's a usb mouse it might work if you unplug it then plug it in again |
| 22:09.37 | zinx | No. |
| 22:10.12 | amphi | ProphetPX: yeah, /etc/init.d/gpm restart has got my mouse going again in X, although it's a long time since I needed to do it |
| 22:10.15 | zinx | http://zinx.xmms.org/misc/Xunlock.c that will do it, but you'll have to compile it |
| 22:10.37 | evaded | amphi: My problem is simply. I want to have the posibility to click on links in 'xterm', 'eterm', 'rxvt'. When there are an link in an terminal, i can only right click on it when it's an 'Gnome Terminal' |
| 22:11.25 | evaded | amphi: It's for 'slrn' and 'irssi'. Like i can not easy click on an link. I need to select it an paste it in an browser |
| 22:11.32 | ProphetPX | :-) |
| 22:11.43 | lunitik | evaded: ask those terminal emalator devs to include the feature? or write it as a patch for each, and submit it to them? |
| 22:11.51 | bhagabhi | Anyone else but me that has got problems with mplayer and the marillat repository as of today? |
| 22:12.02 | ProphetPX | marillat is gone, use debian-multimedia.org |
| 22:12.08 | ktwilight | 'xactly |
| 22:12.16 | ProphetPX | I found that out recently, myself |
| 22:12.44 | thingfish | really? marillat is no more? |
| 22:12.47 | phogg | ProphetPX: gone why? |
| 22:12.51 | evaded | lunitik: I'm far of this level. I hope there would be a day ... But i can always ask to add that features. But i'm not sure that it's an missing features. Like i have not so many experience with it and prefer to ask before. |
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| 22:13.09 | ProphetPX | ask him |
| 22:13.19 | lunitik | phogg: thingfish: it just moved... its not gone |
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| 22:13.20 | ProphetPX | I dont know why, it's just on marillat's page |
| 22:13.21 | thingfish | oh well yes it appears to have been moved indeed. |
| 22:13.38 | ProphetPX | I only meant the sources.list param is no more (gone to an extent) |
| 22:13.42 | jonaskoelker | Is it a bad sign if not all files in `apt-file list $pkg' are present (test -f)? |
| 22:13.43 | lunitik | phogg: thingfish: 'debian-multimedia.org' is more appropriate/easier to remember... |
| 22:13.52 | ProphetPX | aye, matey |
| 22:14.05 | thingfish | lunitik: yeah I saw; dpkg's factoid on marillat says so. |
| 22:14.11 | thingfish | boy really |
| 22:14.12 | phogg | indeed. But now it sounds almost official. |
| 22:15.15 | bhagabhi | ProphetPX > Yeah - I know - but I have more problems than that - currently my player runs and hangs with "mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51: undefined symbol: faacDecOpen" |
| 22:15.36 | lunitik | bhagabhi: reinstall codecs? |
| 22:15.44 | GeorgeS069 | I can post the error messages here if it will help |
| 22:15.47 | evaded | An little remark about marillat. It use now HTTP and no more FTP?? Is that not a bit a bad choise?? About speed? |
| 22:15.51 | bhagabhi | Though it pulled libavcodeccvs51 from debian-multimedia too... |
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| 22:16.17 | phogg | bhagabhi: sounds to me like mplayer was compiled against a different version |
| 22:16.48 | ProphetPX | sounds like the codec was already open before you started mplayer? just a shot in the dark... look up help for libavcodec |
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| 22:19.08 | thingfish | evaded you're doing fine. |
| 22:19.20 | ProphetPX | !dpkg mrtg |
| 22:19.21 | dpkg | [mrtg] old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ |
| 22:19.26 | evaded | thingfish: ;-) |
| 22:19.33 | thingfish | evaded: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:19.34 | eddiecheng | !dpkg proftpd |
| 22:19.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, proftpd is a professional GPL'd ftp server for unix and unix-like operating systems. Latest version is available in slink. The home page is: http://www.proftpd.org. Proftpd is also L33t as Flood's butt. or down or something or dropped from all the other dists because they can't keep security holes out of it... apparently the version in slink has several, as well. http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ |
| 22:19.58 | belkrem | i am new to debain does debian have something like genkernel or do you have to config the kernel |
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| 22:20.07 | evaded | thingfish: Yeah, i know ;-) just that HTTP now and no more FTP. It just that ;-) |
| 22:20.34 | evaded | !ref |
| 22:20.34 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
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| 22:21.00 | evaded | belkrem: Like you have say it. Here some usefull references ;-) |
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| 22:21.10 | thingfish | life is good! |
| 22:21.41 | evaded | thingfish: With beer, better ;-) |
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| 22:22.07 | thingfish | evaded: hehe well I'm having a little drinky myself right now ;) |
| 22:22.22 | evaded | thingfish: Santeeee |
| 22:22.29 | thingfish | :) |
| 22:22.52 | ProphetPX | <dpkg> [mrtg] old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at |
| 22:22.53 | ProphetPX | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.56 | ProphetPX | ooops |
| 22:22.58 | thingfish | ok time to flightsim for a minute or two then back to Debian. |
| 22:23.15 | ProphetPX | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.30 | ProphetPX | <--- still getting used to bitchX |
| 22:23.56 | evaded | Someone get 'flightgear' running? I have try it on 2 computers an the plan have an little problem. He always go to left :-( |
| 22:24.17 | bhagabhi | hmm - seems my problem boils down to this -> mplayer is set up to use mp4(video) - and that in its turn requires the faac package.. But that in its turn seems to be uninstallable (Dependancy on libmp4v2-0 that is uninstallable) |
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| 22:24.35 | evaded | Need to find an solution :-) So i we can suggest it to Thingfish :-) |
| 22:24.41 | belkrem | the debian reference doesn't seem to mention any thing like genkernel so i take it there isn't or am i looking in the wrong spot |
| 22:24.43 | ProphetPX | dpkg where do I get rrdtools from? apt-get install says not found |
| 22:25.31 | evaded | belkrem: Been possible, I was also searching for an better keyword than 'ref'. One that have all the links to the usefull infos. I not remember the keyword. sad |
| 22:25.58 | karlpinc | prophetpx: apt-get install rrdtool |
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| 22:26.07 | evaded | belkrem: I search a bit |
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| 22:26.35 | blondie | ProphetPX: dpkg is a bot |
| 22:26.45 | ProphetPX | oh |
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| 22:26.54 | ProphetPX | ok thanx i am new here :-) |
| 22:27.24 | belkrem | guess i am using make menuconfig |
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| 22:27.45 | ProphetPX | I need help with removing a package. it's half-installed and dpkg won't remove it :-( |
| 22:27.45 | jetscreamer | now somebody explain why k3b makes me a lot of dvd-sized coasters and *.exe doesn't |
| 22:27.46 | coreid | belkrem: use make-kpkg |
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| 22:28.05 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: finish installing it if possible |
| 22:28.31 | ProphetPX | I can't, I did something stupid. I installed a laptop package to a desktop PC by mistake and it expects a kernel module .... big DOH! |
| 22:28.37 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: as a last resort, man dpkg --force-help |
| 22:28.45 | ProphetPX | lol tried that, been there, lol |
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| 22:29.02 | ProphetPX | for some stupid sleepy dumb reason, I installed fnfxd |
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| 22:29.12 | ProphetPX | and it wont remove, no matter what |
| 22:29.41 | jetscreamer | so dpkg -P --force-all blah doesn't work |
| 22:29.47 | ProphetPX | hmmmmm |
| 22:29.50 | ProphetPX | lemme try, brb |
| 22:30.00 | eddiecheng | is there any file to edit to change a shell users default's ftp directory ? |
| 22:30.02 | ktwilight | maybe deborphan works? |
| 22:30.06 | eddiecheng | i am using proftpd |
| 22:30.43 | ProphetPX | ok dpkg -P --force-all fnfxd - does not work |
| 22:30.55 | jetscreamer | paste the error msg |
| 22:30.57 | ProphetPX | vot is deborphan? |
| 22:30.58 | ProphetPX | ok |
| 22:31.08 | epsilon | eddiecheng: DefaultRoot directive you're looking for - or if ftp-only user, directly in /etc/passwd |
| 22:31.11 | jetscreamer | for finding stuff that nothing needs |
| 22:31.12 | belkrem | coreid: thanks |
| 22:31.35 | lunitik | Why would snd-intel8x0 be loaded, despite the fact its blacklisted... rmmod snd-intel8x0 says "ERROR: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use"... this soundcard is onboard and doesn't work... so I want to use my _actual_ soundcard... |
| 22:31.35 | jetscreamer | !info fnfxd |
| 22:31.40 | dpkg | fnfxd: (ACPI and hotkey daemon for Toshiba laptops), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.3-9 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 22:31.56 | lunitik | Does new udev ignore /etc/hotplug/blacklist or something? |
| 22:32.16 | ProphetPX | ok i got it, where should i post it? it's long, I'd regret to post it here |
| 22:32.17 | lunitik | If so, where was I supposed to put this? |
| 22:32.19 | ktwilight | !deborphan |
| 22:32.19 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
| 22:32.20 | ktwilight | !info deborphan |
| 22:32.21 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: chmod -x /etc/init.d/fnfxd or something and it won't start on boot at least |
| 22:32.22 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 22:32.23 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:32.23 | dpkg | deborphan: (Find orphaned libraries), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.7.18 (sid), Packaged size: 60 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 22:32.36 | ProphetPX | hmmm |
| 22:32.45 | ProphetPX | hmmm ok so post it into #flood ? |
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| 22:33.08 | lunitik | ktwilight: deborphan and debfoster are no longer useful... use aptitude... it'll remove things automatically that aren't being used |
| 22:33.09 | jetscreamer | well that would work, of course anybody not in flood cant see it |
| 22:33.15 | intero | why does libswt3.1-gtk-java depend on mozilla-browser rather than something else, like firefox? |
| 22:33.16 | jetscreamer | you could use the pastebin |
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| 22:33.19 | ProphetPX | hmmm |
| 22:33.30 | lunitik | Automatically is the wrong word... it'll ask first... but yeah |
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| 22:33.35 | jetscreamer | then paste the link it gives you here |
| 22:33.36 | ProphetPX | i dont mind anyone in flood seeing it. there's nothing sys-specific in the report |
| 22:33.57 | ProphetPX | <--- joining #flood now to do it then :-) |
| 22:33.58 | jetscreamer | !depends libswt3.1-gtk-java |
| 22:34.03 | dpkg | libswt3.1-gtk-java: depends on libswt3.1-gtk-jni (= 3.1.2-2), mozilla-browser (>= 2:1.7.0), java-common |
| 22:34.06 | lunitik | Anyone know why something in /etc/hotplug/blacklist would still load? |
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| 22:34.34 | jetscreamer | !depends libswt3.1-gtk-jni |
| 22:34.40 | dpkg | libswt3.1-gtk-jni: depends on libswt3.1-gtk-java (= 3.1.2-2), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0), libgcj7-awt (>= 4.1.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.14.1), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.13.92), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0), libxtst6 |
| 22:34.44 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 22:34.50 | jetscreamer | damn he got kicked from #flood and the server :o |
| 22:34.54 | lunitik | jetscreamer: /msg the bot |
| 22:35.00 | jetscreamer | what bot |
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| 22:35.08 | lunitik | jetscreamer: dpkg is a bot |
| 22:35.16 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: pastebin :) |
| 22:35.23 | lunitik | jetscreamer: ! = dpkg ... ~ = apt |
| 22:35.25 | jetscreamer | !tell ProphetPX -about paste |
| 22:35.32 | GeorgeS069 | wb ProphetPX |
| 22:35.32 | jetscreamer | @lart lunitik |
| 22:35.36 | ProphetPX | what the heck did i do wrong? I got kicked? excess flood in #flood ... growls |
| 22:35.40 | ProphetPX | i dont know what a pastebin is? |
| 22:35.40 | lunitik | !lart jetscreamer |
| 22:35.44 | ProphetPX | GRRRR @ IPTABLES |
| 22:35.59 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: that second line in the paste facctoid |
| 22:36.04 | jetscreamer | the http://url |
| 22:36.05 | ProphetPX | I tried pasting to #flood and got kicked :-( |
| 22:36.10 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 22:36.11 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:36.15 | jetscreamer | ^ |
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| 22:36.34 | intero | jetscreamer: do you have any clue on mozilla-browser? |
| 22:36.37 | lunitik | No one here knows why new udev would ignore /etc/hotplug/blacklist ? |
| 22:37.08 | jetscreamer | intero: afaict that package doesn't depend on mozilla-browser |
| 22:37.10 | lunitik | ugh |
| 22:37.30 | ktwilight | that's weird...'cuz i have deborphan installed, i think. |
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| 22:37.34 | intero | jetscreamer: ok :) thanks |
| 22:37.40 | jetscreamer | intero: mozilla is a metapackage that can be fulfilled by moz or ff... maybe a typo in the deps i dunno |
| 22:37.41 | ProphetPX | damn #flood kicked me .... growls |
| 22:37.53 | ProphetPX | to be honest i really dont even know what the heck i am doin here :-( |
| 22:37.54 | ktwilight | and aptitude remove <package> doesn't quite remove everything, e.g. conf files. |
| 22:37.55 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: go to that http site |
| 22:38.07 | jetscreamer | ktwilight: purge |
| 22:38.16 | jetscreamer | http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:38.18 | intero | jetscreamer: mozilla-browser 2:1.7.12-1.1 [10,8MB] |
| 22:38.25 | ProphetPX | i would ... but i dont wanna startx using root and i cant use X as a normal user yet ... (problems upon problems ... woe is me) |
| 22:38.31 | jetscreamer | linx |
| 22:38.34 | jetscreamer | lynx |
| 22:38.38 | jetscreamer | links |
| 22:38.40 | ktwilight | hmm...either i've used purge wrongly, or...it doesn't. |
| 22:38.41 | ProphetPX | ok but lynx will let me post all that???? |
| 22:38.43 | jetscreamer | not linx |
| 22:38.47 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 22:38.50 | ProphetPX | lol ok can try |
| 22:38.54 | jetscreamer | gpm not lynx |
| 22:38.56 | _rene_ | jetscreamer: unfortunately that's not true. "mozilla" is mozilla |
| 22:38.59 | jetscreamer | beyond me though |
| 22:39.02 | ProphetPX | wheres the site ... again |
| 22:39.05 | jetscreamer | !info mozilla |
| 22:39.08 | _rene_ | (which btw will be removed soon hopefully) |
| 22:39.10 | jetscreamer | http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:39.10 | dpkg | mozilla: (The Mozilla Internet application suite - meta package), section web, is optional. Version: 2:1.7.12-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 22:39.17 | jetscreamer | metapackage |
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| 22:39.27 | ProphetPX | !dpkg tell ProphetPX about paste |
| 22:39.30 | ProphetPX | k |
| 22:39.35 | _rene_ | jetscreamer: yes, but you said you can choose firefox or mozilla fullfilling it |
| 22:39.39 | _rene_ | jetscreamer: which is not true |
| 22:39.42 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: for that, jsut /msg dpkg whatever |
| 22:39.46 | ProphetPX | k |
| 22:39.48 | jetscreamer | ren |
| 22:39.49 | lunitik | !depends mozilla |
| 22:39.55 | dpkg | mozilla: depends on mozilla-browser (= 2:1.7.12-1.1), mozilla-mailnews (= 2:1.7.12-1.1), mozilla-psm (= 2:1.7.12-1.1), dpkg (>= 1.10.9) |
| 22:39.58 | _rene_ | Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.7.12-1.1), mozilla-mailnews (= 2:1.7.12-1.1), mozilla-psm (= 2:1.7.12-1.1), dpkg (>= 1.10.9) |
| 22:40.11 | ProphetPX | brb |
| 22:40.20 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 22:40.31 | lunitik | mozilla simple depends the whole damn mozilla suite |
| 22:40.32 | charzero | Anybody konw a gui imap client that will launch a program i specify to compose emails? basically i want a gmutt. |
| 22:40.40 | eddiecheng | epsilon: i want to create an ftp user only acct that able to view /xxx/xx |
| 22:40.42 | jetscreamer | mozilla is an ALTERNATIVE that moz or ff can fulfill |
| 22:40.52 | jetscreamer | as in update-alternatives oops |
| 22:40.55 | _rene_ | yes |
| 22:41.00 | _rene_ | you said something else :) |
| 22:41.02 | jetscreamer | !lart me |
| 22:41.16 | jetscreamer | !pal me |
| 22:41.35 | _rene_ | anyway, mozilla hopefully will be removed before the etch release, so... |
| 22:41.38 | lunitik | soooooooo.... no one knows why snd-intel8x0 (which is blacklisted) would still be loaded by udev? :| |
| 22:41.48 | jetscreamer | that would suck it's what i choose |
| 22:41.50 | jetscreamer | ah well |
| 22:41.55 | ProphetPX | ok i pasted it ... that was kinda neat heh |
| 22:41.59 | _rene_ | jetscreamer: mozilla's dead. |
| 22:42.03 | intero | _rene_: hello dude, how are things? |
| 22:42.05 | GeorgeS069 | lunitik:can you disable the sound in the bios? |
| 22:42.13 | _rene_ | jetscreamer: *if* something like that comes in, it's seamonkey |
| 22:42.15 | eddiecheng | epsilon: i want to create an ftp user only acct that able to view a directory on user robert for e.g |
| 22:42.29 | eddiecheng | i just edit /etc/passwd directly ? |
| 22:42.32 | jetscreamer | lunitik: afaik the hotplug that uses the blacklist isn't exactly the exact same hotplug that goes with udev... . rene, thoughts? |
| 22:42.35 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 22:42.38 | lunitik | GeorgeS069: nope... no such options regarding soundcard (maybe you know more than me about Phoenix BIOS?) |
| 22:42.48 | _rene_ | intero: nice, thanks |
| 22:43.11 | epsilon | eddiecheng: user X has no shell, only ftp access, chrooted in dir /foo/bar which the user access as /? |
| 22:43.16 | ProphetPX | jetscreamer: I posted it on the webpage :-) that was neat |
| 22:43.22 | lunitik | jetscreamer: udev replaces hotplug... afaik it still obeys /etc/hotplug stuff though |
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| 22:43.36 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: now you have to paste the link that it gave you here so we can view that page |
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| 22:44.12 | eddiecheng | yea epsilon |
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| 22:44.35 | ProphetPX | ohhh whoops, ok brb |
| 22:44.47 | jetscreamer | i was under the impression that udev was like devfs and hotplug worked with/off udev to load modules. no idea. |
| 22:44.54 | lunitik | actually... the blacklist isn't being ignored... it didn't try loading shpchp or pciehp ... idgi |
| 22:45.00 | ProphetPX | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2695 <-- |
| 22:45.01 | owh | I'm getting a pre-installation error "subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 128" when installing ssh in a chroot environment created by debootstrap. |
| 22:45.10 | eddiecheng | epsilon : is there any place for me to read up ? |
| 22:45.14 | epsilon | eddiecheng: in /etc/passwd, set the home dir to /foo/bar, the shell to /bin/false. |
| 22:45.19 | eddiecheng | okay |
| 22:45.54 | epsilon | eddiecheng: you can do that with defaultroot in proftpd.conf, but no need in your case |
| 22:46.05 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: it won't stop. as root, cd /etc/init.d find that filename by doing an ls, chmod -x that filename, reboot, it won't start and should be able to be uninstalled |
| 22:46.12 | eddiecheng | epsilon : after changing i cant login now |
| 22:46.17 | eddiecheng | is it with permissions ? |
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| 22:46.37 | eddiecheng | i need to add a group so that he could see for e.g another users roberts directory |
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| 22:46.39 | epsilon | eddiecheng: the user needs access right for /foo/bar |
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| 22:47.00 | eddiecheng | okay cool |
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| 22:47.06 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: it 'should' be as simple as chmod -x /etc/init.d/fnfxd && shurdown -r now |
| 22:47.11 | jetscreamer | then remove it |
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| 22:47.27 | jetscreamer | err make that shutdown not shurdown |
| 22:47.31 | epsilon | eddiecheng: the user has in ftp same access right on filesystem like in shell |
| 22:47.32 | owh | Anyone got any remote install experience around here? |
| 22:47.32 | eddiecheng | epsilon : i should chown it ? |
| 22:47.33 | ProphetPX | hmmmm ok jet |
| 22:47.36 | luist | #l1-b |
| 22:47.51 | phaedrus_ | gtkpod rules! |
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| 22:48.06 | eddiecheng | epsilon : yeap same access |
| 22:48.16 | ProphetPX | brb |
| 22:48.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:48.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:48.18 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: that would be as root |
| 22:48.24 | ProphetPX | right. brb |
| 22:48.39 | navid | I'm searching good article/doc* about LVM in debian (after installing Debian) any body can help me? |
| 22:48.49 | epsilon | eddiecheng: but the user can't login anymore? |
| 22:48.54 | eddiecheng | cant login anymore |
| 22:48.59 | eddiecheng | after i edit the /etc/passwd |
| 22:49.05 | eddiecheng | i changed the home directory |
| 22:49.17 | GeorgeS069 | brb |
| 22:49.22 | eddiecheng | to etc from /home/foo to /home/abc |
| 22:49.26 | epsilon | error messsage? |
| 22:49.28 | eddiecheng | and it doesnt work |
| 22:49.29 | owh | eddiecheng: That's not surprising, you were instructed to set your shell to /bin/false |
| 22:49.52 | evaded | epsilon: dpkg know about 'grounding' |
| 22:49.57 | owh | eddiecheng: The instructions you were given were to stop someone from logging in. I don't know if that was what you asked for. |
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| 22:50.10 | eddiecheng | owh : nope but changing directory |
| 22:50.20 | jetscreamer | and it's probably not really started so it can't be stopped |
| 22:50.27 | owh | eddiecheng: So, did you change the shell? |
| 22:50.31 | jetscreamer | come to think of it |
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| 22:50.41 | eddiecheng | yea |
| 22:50.44 | GeorgeS069 | back |
| 22:50.44 | epsilon | eddiecheng: do you have "RequireValidShell off" in proftpd.conf? |
| 22:50.46 | jetscreamer | ProphetPX: ^^ |
| 22:50.51 | eddiecheng | hold on i check |
| 22:51.09 | owh | epsilon: I came in late, what is eddiecheng trying to do? |
| 22:51.20 | eddiecheng | epsilon : its not enabled |
| 22:51.26 | eddiecheng | i mean its not in the proftd.conf file |
| 22:51.28 | ProphetPX | right |
| 22:51.29 | epsilon | owh: ftp user, no shell, chrooted in /foo/bar |
| 22:51.40 | epsilon | eddiecheng: add it |
| 22:51.46 | eddiecheng | okay |
| 22:51.46 | jetscreamer | so the -x thing might not work |
| 22:51.48 | owh | epsilon: Ah. /me backs away slowly :-) |
| 22:51.49 | jetscreamer | might |
| 22:51.49 | ProphetPX | yes it was never started since i could never have added the kernel module anyways ... hmm.... |
| 22:51.52 | KodeK | Hey hey hey everyone! |
| 22:52.00 | ProphetPX | so far, aptitude remove might be working .... waiting and seeing ... |
| 22:52.03 | KodeK | Damn, my room's pretty hot. be right back. |
| 22:52.37 | eddiecheng | omg i love you haha |
| 22:52.38 | eddiecheng | it works |
| 22:52.46 | ProphetPX | OMG ... I THINK IT WORKED! |
| 22:52.47 | eddiecheng | thank you so much owl and epsilon |
| 22:52.50 | eddiecheng | lol |
| 22:52.57 | ProphetPX | shazbott |
| 22:53.15 | epsilon | eddiecheng: just a security notice: remember this option allows possible system pseudo-users to allow login, if UID is high enough and the password is set |
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| 22:53.30 | GeorgeS069 | wb don |
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| 22:54.13 | owh | Back to my original question, anyone got any remote install experience? |
| 22:54.14 | eddiecheng | what is pseudo-users |
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| 22:54.41 | epsilon | eddiecheng: read /etc/passwd, the number below 1000 |
| 22:55.08 | ProphetPX | ha! I LOVE APTITUDE NOW!!! GONE FOREVER |
| 22:55.24 | dondelelcaro | owh: yes, quite a few of us... just ask your question |
| 22:55.37 | epsilon | eddiecheng: to avoid this you need virtual users in ftp configuration with own passwd/groups with DefaultRoot... that's the next level :-) |
| 22:55.39 | ProphetPX | ok now i need to fix yet more problems .... lol |
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| 22:55.45 | owh | dondelelcaro: I did. I'm getting a pre-installation error "subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 128" when installing ssh in a chroot environment created by debootstrap. |
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| 22:56.26 | owh | dondelelcaro: On closer observation, that's not a question :-) |
| 22:57.04 | owh | dondelelcaro: Here's my question: "How do I install a copy of ssh?", something I've done for years without any problems, though never remotely. |
| 22:57.21 | KodeK | So I have etch installed (yay!) and now I need to upgrade my kernel to 2.6 (I'm using 2.4). What's the _safest_ way to do it? |
| 22:57.22 | dondelelcaro | owh: hrm.. the preinst shouldn't be failing like that |
| 22:57.36 | owh | dondelelcaro: You're telling me :-) |
| 22:57.57 | dondelelcaro | owh: what OS is this running on? can you chroot into the chroot yet? |
| 22:58.25 | owh | dondelelcaro: It's running RedHat and the error is within the chrooted environment. |
| 22:58.36 | dondelelcaro | owh: so you've chrooted to the installation directory. |
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| 22:58.43 | owh | dondelelcaro: Yup |
| 22:58.52 | owh | dondelelcaro: Lemmie give you some backround. |
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| 22:59.38 | Sharjeel | hi |
| 22:59.51 | Sharjeel | is there a command in console which monitors activy of the system/ |
| 22:59.52 | Sharjeel | ? |
| 22:59.53 | Gnea | !2.4->2.6 |
| 22:59.53 | dpkg | i heard 2.4->2.6 is easy - just "apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6" (linux-image in etch and sid, use your favorite apt front-end) and install the relevant package for your CPU(s). |
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| 23:00.00 | dondelelcaro | owh: are you installing sarge? |
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| 23:00.08 | GeorgeS069 | Sharjeel : try top |
| 23:00.09 | Sharjeel | ie which files are loaded when a program is loaded etc |
| 23:00.11 | Gnea | Sharjeel: which activity, exactly? |
| 23:00.13 | GeorgeS069 | or htop |
| 23:00.13 | owh | dondelelcaro: I started with a debootstrap of woody, then got it all mostly working, did an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, installed locale, got everything happy, attempted to install ssh. Failed. I recalled that I'd given it permission to use security.debian, so I started again, this time only installing woody, same problem, different version. |
| 23:00.25 | owh | dondelelcaro: Ultimately, yes. |
| 23:00.42 | KodeK | Gnea, and will this method assure me of having 2.6 running the next time i reboot my machine? This is a headless box, so I can't screw up :( |
| 23:00.49 | dondelelcaro | owh: ah, ok... you're going to have to edit the preinst and add a set -x to the top of it |
| 23:00.50 | owh | dondelelcaro: But the version of debootstrap that I have doesn't seem to like sarge, only woody. |
| 23:01.00 | Gnea | KodeK: is it using lilo or grub? |
| 23:01.17 | dondelelcaro | owh: yes, older debootstrap versions are unfortunatly distribution specific |
| 23:01.20 | Gnea | KodeK: is it a production server? |
| 23:01.20 | KodeK | Gnea, I have no idea. It's been a while since I saw the boot screen. |
| 23:01.27 | dondelelcaro | owh: that'll at least tell you where the preinst is failing |
| 23:01.28 | KodeK | Gnea, it's a home server. |
| 23:01.37 | owh | dondelelcaro: This will sound silly, but where, seeing that I cannot seem to locate any scripts at any time during the process. |
| 23:01.45 | Gnea | KodeK: oh ok, are you at home now or elsewhere? |
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| 23:01.57 | owh | dondelelcaro: Or do you mean, before I run apt-get install ssh? |
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| 23:02.03 | Sharjeel | i wanted to see what what files are loaded etc, basicly a logg of the system so i can check it to see what exactly happened... |
| 23:02.05 | KodeK | Gnea, I'm at home, but I only have remote access to it. |
| 23:02.12 | dondelelcaro | owh: they're in /var/lig/dpkg/info/ssh.preinst; however, in this case, you may want to try just running it manually since the package's copy will replace the copy that you've modified |
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| 23:02.20 | SexyKen | Hey guys |
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| 23:02.28 | SexyKen | What does load average really mean in "uptime" |
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| 23:02.33 | SexyKen | For instance, I have a 3.8 |
| 23:02.36 | SexyKen | Load average |
| 23:02.38 | SexyKen | With a Dual Xeon |
| 23:02.51 | owh | dondelelcaro: That's where I thought they'd be, but I cannot locate them. There are other error messages about mail failing with missing file in /tmp |
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| 23:03.13 | dondelelcaro | owh: hrm... none of these partitions are mounted noexec, right? |
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| 23:03.21 | Gnea | KodeK: ok - safest bet would be to find-a-way to get it hooked up in the event that it doesn't boot right. find out what bootloader it's using (check for /etc/lilo.conf and /boot/grub/*) and when it installs, check the configuration files for those and make sure that 2.6 is at the default top of the list. |
| 23:03.29 | owh | dondelelcaro: Could it be that I've turned swap off, made it into ext2, then started the install, *without* rebooting first? |
| 23:03.41 | dondelelcaro | owh: that shouldn't matter |
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| 23:03.56 | KodeK | Gnea, thanks. I also remember one time, I tried doing this same thing and it was missing a file or something. |
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| 23:03.57 | Kerr | I'm having trouble with tar >.> trying to tar.gz the entire contents of the current direcrory + its subfolders.. i'm trying tar -cfz tarfile.tar.gz -C . where am i going wrong? |
| 23:03.57 | owh | dondelelcaro: That's what I thought, and no to the mount question. |
| 23:04.06 | KodeK | Gnea, it was a file in the root directory. Forgot its name. |
| 23:04.07 | GeorgeS069 | Sharjeel : have you tried dmesg ? |
| 23:04.12 | SexyKen | Anyone? |
| 23:04.12 | KodeK | Gnea, I just remember having problems with it. |
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| 23:04.36 | Gnea | KodeK: shrug |
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| 23:04.38 | owh | dondelelcaro: I didn't think it was going to be this painful :-( |
| 23:05.01 | owh | dondelelcaro: And I haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet :-) |
| 23:05.05 | dondelelcaro | owh: ok, wget the ssh .deb from a mirror, dpkg-deb -x ssh_fooversion.deb tmp; dpkg-deb -e ssh_fooversion.deb tmp/DEBIAN; then edit tmp/DEBIAN/preinst; add a set -x to the top, and see what is failing. |
| 23:05.15 | dondelelcaro | owh: just guessing, are you using selinux? |
| 23:05.15 | KodeK | Gnea, I think it was /vmlinuz, which I see now is a symlink to a 2.4 file. |
| 23:05.17 | luist | #l1-b |
| 23:05.31 | owh | dondelelcaro: Nope, debian all the way. |
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| 23:05.41 | dondelelcaro | owh: no, I mean on the host redhat system? |
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| 23:05.57 | owh | dondelelcaro: Hmm, dunno, how do I find out. |
| 23:06.00 | Gnea | KodeK: ok, just make sure whatever bootloader is pointing to the right files |
| 23:06.01 | lunitik | I hate it when I ask things here that are easy to figure out on my own :( |
| 23:06.25 | idonthaveonesodo | hi, I have just installed kde3.3 , but it doesnt seem to have found or detected my soundcard |
| 23:06.36 | idonthaveonesodo | is there a command to configure that ? |
| 23:06.43 | lunitik | idonthaveonesodo: 3.3 is latest in sarge? ew |
| 23:06.53 | idonthaveonesodo | i think so |
| 23:07.01 | GeorgeS069 | idonthaveonesodo : try alsaconf |
| 23:07.14 | lunitik | idonthaveonesodo: you know the modules for your soundcard? |
| 23:07.27 | lunitik | idonthaveonesodo: multiple soundcards? (onboard and card?) |
| 23:07.32 | idonthaveonesodo | alsaconf didnt work |
| 23:07.45 | idonthaveonesodo | lunitik , i dont know the modules, |
| 23:07.50 | idonthaveonesodo | and its just soundcard |
| 23:07.58 | idonthaveonesodo | 2 soundcard i mean |
| 23:08.02 | idonthaveonesodo | damn, |
| 23:08.03 | epsilon | idonthaveonesodo: do you have support for your card in kernel enabled? |
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| 23:08.06 | idonthaveonesodo | 1 soundcard i mean |
| 23:08.10 | ProphetPX | how can you not know what soundcard you have unless it is integrated into the motherboard? |
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| 23:08.15 | lunitik | idonthaveonesodo: ahh... same issue I just solved... hah |
| 23:08.32 | lunitik | idonthaveonesodo: cept you have to know what the modules are to solve like me |
| 23:08.37 | GeorgeS069 | idonthaveonesodo : use lspci |
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| 23:08.43 | idonthaveonesodo | ohh i didnt knew that was what you were asking for |
| 23:08.48 | idonthaveonesodo | i now its a realtek |
| 23:08.59 | idonthaveonesodo | ac97 series ? |
| 23:09.03 | lunitik | idonthaveonesodo: realtek is snd-intel8x0 |
| 23:09.16 | idonthaveonesodo | ok, so what i need to do to configure it ? |
| 23:09.19 | Sharjeel | just tried it thnx |
| 23:09.29 | Sharjeel | but is there any thing that monitors it live? |
| 23:09.42 | lunitik | idonthaveonesodo: modprobe snd-intel8x0 ... although its likely already loaded... just not being used |
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| 23:10.13 | GeorgeS069 | Sharjeel : try maybe tail -f /var/log/syslog or tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 23:10.28 | lunitik | idonthaveonesodo: you don't have a new kernel that uses udev though... which makes things more complicated :( |
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| 23:11.02 | lunitik | idonthaveonesodo: lspci | grep audio <-- two listed? whats the other one? |
| 23:11.39 | Kerr | how do i tar.gz the current directory+subdirs ? |
| 23:11.57 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: tar zcf ../foo.tar.gz .; or similar |
| 23:12.00 | epsilon | open oder create? |
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| 23:12.46 | idonthaveonesodo | no i just have one soundcard |
| 23:12.48 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: i can't write to the directory above? |
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| 23:13.16 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: you're going to have to be able to write it somewhere. |
| 23:13.30 | evaded | Kerr: /tmp then |
| 23:13.42 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: you could do tar --exclude foo.tar.gz zcf foo.tar.gz .; |
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| 23:13.57 | epsilon | where you want, if you have write access and enough space |
| 23:13.58 | Sharjeel | thnx goerge |
| 23:14.00 | Sharjeel | :D |
| 23:14.12 | idonthaveonesodo | debian:/# modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 23:14.12 | idonthaveonesodo | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-intel8x0 |
| 23:14.15 | GeorgeS069 | you're welcome |
| 23:14.19 | GeorgeS069 | glad I could help |
| 23:15.10 | epsilon | the currently packing tar(.gz) file itself will be auto-ignored |
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| 23:16.09 | seb- | how set timezone after installed? |
| 23:16.12 | seb- | or reset? |
| 23:16.37 | KodeK | What exactly is an SMP machine? There are two 686 kernels, one's smp. |
| 23:16.44 | epsilon | Seb: tz<tab><tab> in shell |
| 23:16.59 | seb- | KodeK: a PC with 2 or more CPUs |
| 23:16.59 | owh | dondelelcaro: How do I start the install once I've unpacked it like that? |
| 23:17.16 | seb- | KodeK: is you use the smp kernel on a 1 cpu pc it won't hurt you |
| 23:17.24 | seb- | KodeK:s/is/if |
| 23:17.45 | deadcat_ | whats the status of installing debian on the dual core apple machines? |
| 23:17.47 | KodeK | seb-, it's an old p4 which I'm not planning to upgrade :D |
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| 23:18.07 | idonthaveonesodo | where can i look to get my sound working ?? |
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| 23:18.16 | deadcat_ | idonthaveonesodo: /dev/dsp |
| 23:18.22 | epsilon | how was it... P4-HT only needs non-SMP kernel? |
| 23:18.25 | dondelelcaro | owh: actually, all you want to do is see where the preinst is failing |
| 23:18.46 | idonthaveonesodo | deadcat: thankyou, but im not that expert, i meant something like a manual or guide |
| 23:18.47 | owh | dondelelcaro: It's failing at the moment if I run it because it's not being "installed" or "upgraded" |
| 23:18.49 | KodeK | epsilon, mine's a northwood that doesn't even support HT, so yeah :) |
| 23:18.50 | dondelelcaro | owh: if you add a set -x to it under the #! line, then run ./tmp/DEBIAN/preinst install; you can see what is going on |
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| 23:19.01 | KodeK | By the way, what's the latest kernel in etch? |
| 23:19.03 | owh | Ah |
| 23:19.33 | epsilon | KodeK: don't be sure, HT cam with Northwood. I have 2,6GHz Northwood with HT running in a box |
| 23:19.51 | KodeK | epsilon, no, I'm just saying that mine doesn't support it :D |
| 23:19.57 | epsilon | ok :) |
| 23:19.59 | GeorgeS069 | KodeK : I believe it's 2.6.15 |
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| 23:20.05 | meff | is kdelibs-bin just lagging a bit? i used to use debfoster, learning aptitude but aptitude wants to remove it.. i know there's been lots of transitioning but i dont see any about kde.. should i block this action? |
| 23:20.07 | KodeK | GeorgeS069, thanks. |
| 23:20.11 | owh | dondelelcaro: "mail: /tmp/root-tmp.b7fc69/files/mail.RsXXXX68Qbro: No such file or directory" |
| 23:20.22 | GeorgeS069 | yw |
| 23:20.30 | KodeK | What the heck is this "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" I get every time now? |
| 23:20.34 | owh | dondelelcaro: Isn't that the part that mails out the notification that it's installed? |
| 23:20.46 | dondelelcaro | owh: no, there's no mailing of stuff that's installed that happens by default |
| 23:20.56 | owh | Hmm |
| 23:20.59 | ProphetPX | I get that message about unauth'd packages too - how do i stop that sh** |
| 23:21.11 | epsilon | KodeK: you need to update your key info, see the topic |
| 23:21.16 | owh | dondelelcaro: Could it be bastille that's been installed in the RedHat host causing this? |
| 23:21.32 | phaedrus_ | gtkpod rules ...its so easy |
| 23:21.34 | KodeK | epsilon, thank you. |
| 23:21.49 | dondelelcaro | owh: possible |
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| 23:21.59 | dondelelcaro | owh: what line is the ssh preinst script failing on? |
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| 23:22.09 | owh | dondelelcaro: It doesn't say. |
| 23:22.20 | dondelelcaro | owh: you added the set -x to the top of it, right? |
| 23:22.25 | owh | dondelelcaro: Yup |
| 23:22.35 | dondelelcaro | owh: it should print out the commands as they're being executed, then. |
| 23:22.41 | hellfire_ | hi people, how do i find out with what options a kernel module has been loaded? (via-rhine full_duplex?) |
| 23:22.48 | owh | dondelelcaro: It does. /me looks for matching lines... |
| 23:23.06 | dondelelcaro | owh: ah, then you just want to know what the last line that ran was |
| 23:23.08 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: have you tried gphotofs for your camera? pretty fancy. |
| 23:23.19 | deadcat_ | uses fuse |
| 23:23.24 | dondelelcaro | owh: since the script is -e, the last line printed is the line that failed |
| 23:23.32 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: nicce; no haven't played with that. |
| 23:23.43 | KodeK | epsilon, hmm. I just ran the command dpkg told me to run, but I still get the verif errors. |
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| 23:25.00 | GeorgeS069 | hellfire_ : have you tried lsmod ? |
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| 23:25.22 | owh | dondelelcaro: The last line with a preceding "+" is "+++ exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend ./tmp/DEBIAN/preinst install" |
| 23:25.35 | owh | dondelelcaro: The actual last line printed is the mail line I showed you. |
| 23:25.54 | owh | dondelelcaro: There is some perl stuff in the middle complaining about locale. |
| 23:26.20 | ProphetPX | locales - big problem for me earlier! update-locale "C" i think might work |
| 23:26.27 | phaedrus_ | when i try to umount a directory...i keep getting device busy...how can i find out why its busy? |
| 23:26.42 | deadcat_ | phaedrus_: you are in that dir right now |
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| 23:26.47 | KodeK | phaedrus_, make sure you're not in that dir itself |
| 23:26.56 | phaedrus_ | hehe |
| 23:26.56 | deadcat_ | phaedrus_: cd out or close anything thats touching that dir |
| 23:27.04 | phaedrus_ | had so many windows open..i lost track |
| 23:27.09 | phaedrus_ | thanks |
| 23:27.10 | owh | ProphetPX: That's not installed yet :) |
| 23:27.19 | ProphetPX | oh ok |
| 23:27.25 | dondelelcaro | owh: hrm... unset LANG; and possibly a dkg-reconfigure debconf; will help sort that out. |
| 23:27.35 | ProphetPX | i was just saying i had bad bad bad bad bad trouble with freakin locales and PERL earlier :-((( |
| 23:27.42 | owh | dondelelcaro: Could my problem be that my debootstrap is too old? |
| 23:27.49 | dondelelcaro | owh: nah, that wouldn't do it |
| 23:28.21 | dondelelcaro | owh: well, it shouldn't do it anyway... since you want to use sarge anyway, it may be faster to get the version of debootstrap for sarge |
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| 23:29.29 | owh | dondelelcaro: Where? |
| 23:29.48 | elliptic | he it's me who have asked u**** |
| 23:29.51 | elliptic | sorry |
| 23:30.06 | elliptic | it's finished... |
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| 23:30.38 | dondelelcaro | owh: http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/debootstrap/debootstrap-0_1_17_3-2_i386_rpm.zip ? |
| 23:30.45 | KodeK | What are packages that are being kept back? |
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| 23:31.01 | KodeK | There are like 50 of them. |
| 23:31.07 | dondelelcaro | owh: actually, http://azhrarn.underhanded.org/debootstrap-0.2.23-1.i386.rpm is probably better... |
| 23:31.08 | SinnerG_NoTor | any knews on getting PHP5 in stable? |
| 23:31.10 | SinnerG_NoTor | *news |
| 23:31.16 | owh | debootstrap-0.2.23-1.i386.rpm |
| 23:31.23 | owh | Thats the one I have :-) |
| 23:31.29 | dondelelcaro | owh: hrm... and that wouldn't do sarge? |
| 23:31.31 | Bitz | hi, can i use parted to resize my partition? |
| 23:31.32 | dondelelcaro | !+info debootstrap sarge |
| 23:31.34 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.45-0.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
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| 23:31.48 | dondelelcaro | SinnerG_NoTor: php5 won't ever enter sarge. There may be backports available for it though. |
| 23:32.03 | owh | dondelelcaro: Hmm, perhaps I gave it "stable" rather than "sarge" |
| 23:32.04 | GeorgeS069 | Bitz : make a backup |
| 23:32.16 | elliptic | no |
| 23:32.17 | SinnerG_NoTor | and why not? the problem is my 'host' doesnt want to change before it gets to stable... damn stable freaks |
| 23:32.44 | dondelelcaro | SinnerG_NoTor: because stable only gets security fixes. |
| 23:32.46 | owh | dondelelcaro: Nope, I gave it sarge first. Had the same problem. Then tried it again with woody, still the same, then with only woody sources. |
| 23:32.54 | dondelelcaro | SinnerG_NoTor: php5 was released after sarge. |
| 23:33.02 | Bitz | ok, i want to resize the root partiton and i hope it doesn't destory my data, will it? |
| 23:33.13 | SinnerG_NoTor | and when is the new debian release planned? |
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| 23:33.31 | GeorgeS069 | Bitz : it might....it might not....just be sure to make a backup |
| 23:33.33 | elliptic | humm |
| 23:33.35 | beardy | Bitz: Assume that it does. |
| 23:33.39 | Bitz | ok |
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| 23:33.54 | owh | SinnerG_NoTor: That's the whole point. Stable is just that. Just because something arrives in time, might not mean that it's tested with Debian Stable, PHP stable !== Debian Stable :-) |
| 23:34.04 | beardy | SinnerG_NoTor: A few hours after it's ready. |
| 23:34.16 | SinnerG_NoTor | lol beardy :p |
| 23:34.28 | owh | SinnerG_NoTor: Of course that doesn't mean that you can install PHP5 :-) |
| 23:34.40 | owh | s/can/can't/ |
| 23:34.42 | GeorgeS069 | lol...after they fix the postfix install bug that's supposedly fixed already:) |
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| 23:35.00 | richard__ | hi everyone |
| 23:35.02 | SinnerG_NoTor | I'm not the admin, and the admin is a 'debian stable' freak => not a single 'hand compiled' app on the server |
| 23:35.05 | dondelelcaro | GeorgeS069: if you're seeing that bug again, you should file a new bug or reopen that bug with more information |
| 23:35.11 | SinnerG_NoTor | or from another rep then the debian stable one |
| 23:35.14 | dondelelcaro | SinnerG_NoTor: why exactly do you want php5 anyway? |
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| 23:35.24 | SinnerG_NoTor | the improved OO support |
| 23:35.24 | beardy | SinnerG_NoTor: Sounds like a reasonable man/woman. |
| 23:35.24 | owh | SinnerG_NoTor: Excellent, that's the way I like my servers too :-) |
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| 23:35.38 | richard__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.53 | KodeK | So I have 69 packages being held back after upgrading to etch. What would that mean? :D |
| 23:36.00 | SinnerG_NoTor | and I think its bit lame 'announcing' the world that we use state of the art stuff, and we got stuck @ php4 :p |
| 23:36.19 | beardy | KodeK: That they're having a good time? |
| 23:36.21 | GeorgeS069 | dondelelcaro : I'll try...I'm kind of new to debian...used it years ago and found my way back to the light again :) |
| 23:36.24 | Knorrie | KodeK: means you need to use apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:36.33 | owh | SinnerG_NoTor: You can make the same argument about the kernel version. If you don't like it, you can always migrate to ububtu :-) |
| 23:36.35 | KodeK | Knorrie, okay :D |
| 23:36.48 | owh | s/b/n/ |
| 23:36.58 | SinnerG_NoTor | well, I guess, once we recode the website, that I'm taking it to my boss instead of the admin :p |
| 23:37.10 | secher | SinnerG_NoTor: I've never viewed Debian as using "state of the art". Debian works. Period. Carefully tested, near bullet proof. That's what I always thought Debian's message was. |
| 23:37.11 | SinnerG_NoTor | maybe I can talk some sense into him instead ;) |
| 23:37.23 | peterS | SinnerG_NoTor: there's something just wrong about using 'state of the art' and 'PHP' in the same sentence |
| 23:37.28 | owh | dondelelcaro: So, any bright ideas on the ssh fun? |
| 23:37.32 | peterS | never mind version 4 or 5 |
| 23:37.35 | KodeK | owh, you just replaced all b's with n's: "ununtu"? :) |
| 23:37.39 | SinnerG_NoTor | secher: no, I mean, the 'company' I work for claims they use state of the art tech :p |
| 23:37.47 | dondelelcaro | owh: did you try reconfiguring debconf? |
| 23:37.48 | owh | KodeK: Made you look :) |
| 23:37.52 | secher | Sinner: Oh. |
| 23:37.52 | KodeK | hah |
| 23:38.01 | beardy | SinnerG_NoTor: Doesn't every company? |
| 23:38.07 | SinnerG_NoTor | and never said php is state of the art, but php4 is starting to get old.. :p |
| 23:38.09 | richard__ | i have 2 files on my file broser, cant install it |
| 23:38.10 | owh | dondelelcaro: Yeah, that got rid of the Perl locale issue, it wasn't worrying me :-) |
| 23:38.16 | SinnerG_NoTor | true ;) |
| 23:38.20 | richard__ | can some one helpp |
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| 23:38.27 | dondelelcaro | owh: right, but you should set the frontend to something like readline |
| 23:38.27 | beardy | richard__: Just ask. |
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| 23:38.45 | SinnerG_NoTor | well, I'm getting a dedi soon with debian on.. so guess you'll see me more @ here in the future ;p |
| 23:38.45 | owh | dondelelcaro: Yeah, but that only showed the same mail error :) |
| 23:38.50 | richard__ | i need to install realplayer |
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| 23:39.03 | secher | peterS: I'm about to go off and learn PHP, however, I've been wondering if it's a better selection than Perl, or is there some other lang I should learn for web development and database interfaces? |
| 23:39.03 | dondelelcaro | owh: dpkg-reconfigure debconf; did? |
| 23:39.10 | owh | dondelelcaro: And gave me lots of perl errors about missing readline and falling back to tty or something :-) |
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| 23:39.27 | owh | dondelelcaro: No, the ssh install afterwards :-) |
| 23:39.39 | evaded | richard__: You need to know about 'marillat', '/msg dpkg marillat' |
| 23:39.51 | owh | dondelelcaro: Hold on, am I missing something here, ask your question again? |
| 23:39.53 | peterS | secher: perl is in general a better language, but php is more popular for certain web stuff so it may be more marketable |
| 23:40.22 | dondelelcaro | owh: hrm... try setting it to use the dialog; the mail error is happening because debconf is unable to mail errors for some reason |
| 23:40.25 | owh | peterS: It's called horses for courses. What ever works for you. |
| 23:40.35 | KodeK | "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." THANK YOU #debian :) |
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| 23:40.51 | richard__ | whats that? |
| 23:41.00 | KodeK | my apt-get results. |
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| 23:41.08 | owh | dondelelcaro: Can I force it to use the tty - whatever it's really called, rather than readline? |
| 23:41.20 | evaded | richard__: Try '/msg dpkg marillat'. Without the first and last ' |
| 23:41.39 | evaded | richard__: Copy and paste it where you wrote you messages to post here |
| 23:41.44 | secher | peterS: it's for my own company's website. I'm not doing it for direct financial gain, but for building a solid site for my new company. |
| 23:41.44 | owh | dondelelcaro: It's not available as an option. |
| 23:41.44 | dondelelcaro | owh: oh, just have it use dialog instead; it's expecting you to have libterm-readline-gnu-perl or similar installed |
| 23:41.49 | richard__ | i did everything the documentation said |
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| 23:42.22 | evaded | richard__: Have you been do 'apt-get update'? |
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| 23:42.44 | peterS | secher: php is probably easier to learn. but it's got idiosynchrasies and annoyances and limitations that eventually drive you nuts |
| 23:42.59 | evaded | richard__: What mean you exactly with 'but i cant get it installed'? |
| 23:43.01 | secher | How does Perl compare to PHP for C type syntax and security? |
| 23:43.13 | mhall | secher: if it's your own deal it's probably worth it to consider something much higher level |
| 23:43.21 | mhall | secher: say zope, ruby on rails, or ASPX |
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| 23:43.29 | ProphetPX | LOL @ PHP |
| 23:43.39 | mhall | secher: perl and php are mighty low level languages and could bog you down a lot |
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| 23:43.53 | evaded | Python :-p |
| 23:43.53 | dondelelcaro | perl is a low level language now? |
| 23:43.56 | ProphetPX | perl and PHP ... low level??? |
| 23:44.02 | mhall | secher: the number of lines you can write per day is the same; what changes is the number needed to do something useful |
| 23:44.05 | richard__ | i just start using ubuntu 3 days ago |
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| 23:44.29 | lunitik | richard__: you're in the wrong channel ... #ubuntu |
| 23:44.30 | evaded | richard__: Aay, caramba. You're on #debian and not #ubuntu. |
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| 23:44.42 | richard__ | i tried ok |
| 23:44.45 | richard__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.50 | evaded | ;-) |
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| 23:44.59 | lunitik | richard__: you're not gonna get help for Ubuntu in #debian |
| 23:45.00 | mhall | secher: having just duked it out with a large base of pre-written php code i can tell you it's not the safest thing to make secure or maintain |
| 23:45.04 | hobophobe | I am about to install a new display. To do this I should: edit xorg.conf including the new display and resolution, then shut down, connect new display, and then power on? |
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| 23:45.55 | owh | dondelelcaro: This is the total output: http://pastebin.com/750234 |
| 23:45.56 | secher | Fsck it, I know if I use perl strict, I'll get a solid, maintainable and secure base. So it'll take a little longer.. so what. |
| 23:46.10 | lunitik | hobophobe: umm... monitor? just unplug one, plug in the other... voila |
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| 23:46.28 | secher | I've actually been hunting for a reason not to use PHP. <grin> |
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| 23:46.34 | peterS | secher: hehe |
| 23:46.39 | dondelelcaro | secher: it's actually unlikely that it'll take that long |
| 23:46.41 | lunitik | secher: ruby on rails |
| 23:46.43 | owh | mhall: That depends entirely on who wrote the code and how they structured it. |
| 23:46.44 | hobophobe | lunitik, going from CRT to LCD? |
| 23:46.55 | hobophobe | the LCD has a native resolution? |
| 23:46.56 | dondelelcaro | secher: since perl has more modules than anything else |
| 23:47.00 | owh | mhall: It has *nothing* to do with the language itself IMHO. |
| 23:47.03 | mhall | owh: i agree but i disagree |
| 23:47.03 | GeorgeS069 | ok...I reported that bug |
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| 23:47.24 | lunitik | hobophobe: sure... although you prolly want to change resolution, etc etc... and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:48.03 | mhall | owh: you have to consider the statistics of the situation which is that 50% of programmers are below average and 10-20% are truly competent |
| 23:48.04 | hobophobe | but I can safely do that after ? |
| 23:48.04 | hobophobe | no worries about being displayless, then. |
| 23:48.06 | mhall | owh: therefore there is an upside to a language which enforces some rules |
| 23:48.06 | secher | dondelelcaro: I'm hoping not. I can muddle through C code pretty well, so I'm counting on that knowledge to get me an edge on learning Perl faster. anyway, back to work. Thanks everyone. |
| 23:48.06 | dondelelcaro | owh: does /tmp exist? does it have the right permissions? |
| 23:48.06 | lunitik | hobophobe: not to mention font settings etc... but yeah... no need to reboot... |
| 23:48.08 | owh | mhall: That's a really interesting point. |
| 23:48.08 | hobophobe | rock on. |
| 23:48.27 | mhall | owh: it's the sort of point that's made to you after you work in large corporations and on projects with ~10 or more developers |
| 23:48.51 | owh | dondelelcaro: It's owned by root and I'm root. |
| 23:48.53 | phaedrus_ | any one here having trouble with firefox and swf flash plugin? |
| 23:49.15 | mhall | owh: to me, this is the reason that Java survives despite its massive accretions of bizarre craptacularity and the bloviated excresences it requires a person to produce |
| 23:49.18 | owh | mhall: Fair comment. |
| 23:49.19 | lunitik | phaedrus_: umm... just go to a flash site... and let firefox install it :/ |
| 23:49.30 | dondelelcaro | owh: hrm... and what does echo -e 'testing\ntesting\n'|mail root; do? |
| 23:49.38 | mhall | owh: you can know, in much more certain terms that you might otherwise, that this code will be pretty safe. |
| 23:49.43 | secher | mhall: Wow. |
| 23:49.48 | mhall | secher: yes? |
| 23:49.51 | phaedrus_ | i think i did |
| 23:50.04 | dondelelcaro | mhall: or at least that you can hire someone fresh out of college who at least knows what java is |
| 23:50.04 | lunitik | mhall: can I get that in English please? :o |
| 23:50.07 | secher | your post: craptacularity et. al. |
| 23:50.12 | owh | dondelelcaro: "mail: /tmp/root-tmp.b7fc69/files/mail.RsXXXXIN1Bat: No such file or directory" |
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| 23:50.27 | mhall | dondelelcaro: that's not a bad point either |
| 23:50.27 | secher | Java == Coffee |
| 23:50.31 | dondelelcaro | owh: hrm... do a mkdir -p root-tmp.b7fc69/files/; |
| 23:50.32 | phaedrus_ | lunitik: but now whenever i go to a site with flash it asks me to install a plugin..when i hit the button it says go to manual install |
| 23:50.41 | dondelelcaro | owh: that shouldn't have to happen, but... |
| 23:50.53 | secher | <grin> |
| 23:50.53 | secher | Ok, bye. |
| 23:50.57 | lunitik | phaedrus_: shitty... what version of Firefox? what version of Debian? |
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| 23:51.50 | phaedrus_ | firefox 1.0.4 and deb 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:52.22 | owh | dondelelcaro: Hmm, that mail command now succeeds, /me tries ssh. |
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| 23:53.10 | lunitik | phaedrus_: umm... deb 2.4.27? lol... thats Linux version :/ |
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| 23:53.30 | owh | dondelelcaro: Ok, so the pre-install now succeeds and sends me an email about x-forwarding. |
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| 23:54.04 | deadcat_ | i have a .svg file, how can i convert it to .jpg and not loose any color? |
| 23:54.05 | phaedrus_ | oops |
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| 23:54.20 | phaedrus_ | how do i find out what version? |
| 23:54.20 | owh | dondelelcaro: Crap, it works. |
| 23:54.22 | dondelelcaro | owh: cool, should work now. |
| 23:54.28 | phaedrus_ | of debian im running |
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| 23:54.42 | dondelelcaro | owh: yeah, I've no clue why that directory wasn't being installed earlier, but... |
| 23:54.44 | owh | dondelelcaro: That's six hours of my life I'm not getting back :-( |
| 23:55.05 | lunitik | phaedrus_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:55.09 | dondelelcaro | owh: well, at least it wasn't any more time |
| 23:55.38 | owh | dondelelcaro: There's always a shiny side - off to make coffee, have a break and soldier on :-) Thanks for your help. |
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| 23:55.58 | phaedrus_ | deb 3.1 |
| 23:56.02 | phaedrus_ | : ) |
| 23:56.05 | deadcat_ | phaedrus_: thats stable |
| 23:56.11 | GeorgeS069 | I'm outta here...dinner time...catch ya later folks |
| 23:56.13 | phaedrus_ | seems to be ....heeh |
| 23:56.16 | deadcat_ | check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:56.40 | lunitik | deadcat_: he's installed flash via firefox... but it keeps asking him to reinstall it... idgi? |
| 23:56.41 | dondelelcaro | owh: np. good luck with the rest of the install |
| 23:56.45 | mhall | deadcat_: imagemagick? |
| 23:57.01 | deadcat_ | mhall: i am using convert, but no dice |
| 23:57.07 | mhall | deadcat_: but i dunno if it's bitmap only |
| 23:57.11 | beardy | mhall: ! |
| 23:57.14 | mhall | beardy: ? |
| 23:57.26 | deadcat_ | mhall: ya. after i convert, it doesnt look the same. |
| 23:57.32 | mhall | deadcat_: hmm can you up the DPI |
| 23:57.33 | owh | dondelelcaro: I've got an ethernet module to compile - yay! |
| 23:57.35 | beardy | mhall: I was just surprised :) |
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| 23:57.39 | mhall | deadcat_: it might matter how well you render it |
| 23:57.52 | owh | dondelelcaro: Thanks :-) |
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| 23:58.33 | deadcat_ | mhall: damn. guess i'll have to man convert. )= |
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| 23:58.44 | evaded | deadcat_: I discover the same trouble 2 days ago with png files. I do for file in *.png; do convert -flatten -color "#ffffff" -background "#ffffff" "$file" "${file%.png}.jpg"; done |
| 23:58.54 | mhall | deadcat_: ya i'm just saying this based on some recent vector graphics conversion experiences |
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| 23:59.12 | deadcat_ | evaded: let me try those options |
| 23:59.17 | evaded | deadcat_: But like you know, the file looks not like expected. The background :-/ |
