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| 00:00.07 | evaded | deadcat_: I need to find _the_ hack, for my 'GUICMS' project |
| 00:00.44 | deadcat_ | nope. dont work |
| 00:00.57 | evaded | deadcat_: Some troubles with the background? |
| 00:01.24 | evaded | deadcat_: That transparant thing give some troubles :-/ |
| 00:01.24 | deadcat_ | evaded: let me show you. sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/green.svg and hello.jpg |
| 00:01.46 | evaded | deadcat_: No access lol ;-) |
| 00:02.19 | evaded | deadcat_: I have get it |
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| 00:04.01 | secher | is there a way to mount remote directories over ssh? This whole having 2 terms open to work is a pain in the lower extremities. |
| 00:04.12 | evaded | deadcat_: Yeah, it's been an background or transparent troubles :-/ hash |
| 00:04.19 | deadcat_ | )= |
| 00:04.38 | deadcat_ | that image is from a gdm theme but i use slim and slim only does jpg and png |
| 00:05.21 | evaded | deadcat_: I think convert goes not work good with vectorial images |
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| 00:06.25 | rvalles | Timezone -> How do I cleanly (the debian way) switch it? |
| 00:06.26 | secher | heyas abrotman. |
| 00:06.38 | deadcat_ | rvalles: tzconfig? |
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| 00:06.44 | rvalles | deadcat_: thank you. |
| 00:06.44 | abrotman | secher: hi |
| 00:07.26 | amphi | secher: fuse & sshfs perhaps |
| 00:07.31 | secher | anyone ever used sshfs? Just found it. How's it work? |
| 00:07.42 | deadcat_ | secher: it works fine |
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| 00:07.52 | secher | amphi: yep, googled around a little more and stumbled across sshfs. Thanks man. |
| 00:08.07 | evaded | deadcat_: I'm on Google ;-) |
| 00:08.16 | deadcat_ | (= |
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| 00:08.32 | deadcat_ | evaded: i am just gonna give up.. maybe i will email the slim developers. |
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| 00:09.02 | secher | deadcat_: not as in does it work, rather, /how/ does it work? sorry, I wasn't clear on that one. |
| 00:09.12 | evaded | deadcat_: _NEVER_ give it up. Understand!!! It's an tip you need to listen to. ;-) |
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| 00:09.31 | deadcat_ | secher: you gonna hvae to read it on your own. |
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| 00:09.41 | deadcat_ | evaded: hahaha. |
| 00:10.01 | evaded | deadcat_: You are here, so you already done many ;-) |
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| 00:11.58 | janez | how i can fix diversion problems in packages? i have a problem with nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy |
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| 00:12.48 | spaescowboy | does anyone have any experience with sata on sarge /or/ woody? i've installed woody successfully, but now lilo is hanging on LI for some reason even though lilo.conf seems ok |
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| 00:13.17 | abrotman | !li |
| 00:13.17 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
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| 00:13.59 | spaescowboy | abrotman: i said lilo.conf seems ok... meaning i've got lba32 enabled... |
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| 00:14.21 | janez | how i can fix diversion problems in packages? i have a problem with nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 00:15.14 | evaded | deadcat_: 4 lines of python code give that same little trouble. |
| 00:15.15 | cheal | janez: there's no answer to a generic answer as that. what's the problem? perhaps the BTS or the NvidiaGraphicsDrivers wiki instructions can help |
| 00:15.23 | cheal | s/answer/question |
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| 00:15.45 | evaded | deadcat_: I not know what the module 'Image' of python use :-/ i esperated, but nope |
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| 00:15.57 | abrotman | spaescowboy: and you ran lilo ? |
| 00:16.13 | beardy | spaescowboy: as in /sbin/lilo, as root |
| 00:16.13 | spaescowboy | yes |
| 00:16.19 | janez | cheal: i have a diversion problems with a nvidia-glx and nvigia-glx-legacy |
| 00:16.22 | spaescowboy | with a rescue disk |
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| 00:16.58 | beardy | spaescowboy: chrooted? |
| 00:17.01 | spaescowboy | lilo should have no issues with sata drives? |
| 00:17.07 | spaescowboy | yes, chroot /mnt/sysimage |
| 00:17.11 | beardy | spaescowboy: Should work fine then. |
| 00:17.21 | beardy | spaescowboy: I don't know about sata. |
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| 00:18.47 | abrotman | i'm sure lilo works fine with sata |
| 00:19.24 | spaescowboy | oh.. for some reason root was set as /dev/sda1 in lilo.conf, instead of sda3... |
| 00:19.31 | spaescowboy | reran lilo just now |
| 00:19.37 | spaescowboy | and it works |
| 00:19.43 | beardy | spaescowboy: some reasong must mean you ;) |
| 00:19.52 | spaescowboy | hehe |
| 00:19.55 | spaescowboy | it's possible |
| 00:19.58 | spaescowboy | thanks guys |
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| 00:23.07 | Wurstbrot | hi |
| 00:23.16 | gilianima | I have recoded some text files that contains french and chinese with 'recode euc-cn..utf8 -f *', it worked well for chinese but not for french, does someone understand that ? |
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| 00:23.30 | Wurstbrot | i installed evidence via apt, didnt give any errors but it wont run |
| 00:23.34 | beardy | I wonder what somegeek is.. |
| 00:23.47 | Wurstbrot | some error in gevas_light.c |
| 00:24.00 | abrotman | Wurstbrot: is it an X app ? |
| 00:24.10 | Wurstbrot | yes |
| 00:24.12 | yassine | hi all |
| 00:24.13 | Wurstbrot | filemanager |
| 00:24.28 | yassine | as soon as i start editing my shortcut my laptop crashes and i can not use my keyborad anymore and worst is that the user i eddited can not more log in and the X crashes too :s |
| 00:24.31 | abrotman | Wurstbrot: when you run it from the console ? |
| 00:24.34 | cshaman | hi all. |
| 00:24.48 | Wurstbrot | i tried to run from eterm |
| 00:24.51 | Wurstbrot | so yes |
| 00:24.54 | abrotman | Wurstbrot: eh .. what's the package name? |
| 00:25.00 | Wurstbrot | evidence |
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| 00:25.11 | abrotman | eh .. try again |
| 00:25.22 | Wurstbrot | ? |
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| 00:25.33 | abrotman | the package is not called "evidence" |
| 00:25.37 | litage | hey guys. in OpenOffice Calc, whenever i type a word such as "AltCall", Calc automatically changes it to "Altcall". the only things that are enabled in Tools > AutoCorrect are "Replace 1/2 ...", "Replace 1st ..." and "Replace dashes". how can i prevent this autocorrect from occuring? |
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| 00:26.36 | Wurstbrot | apt-cache search evidence: evidence - plugin-based enlightenmennt/GTK2 file manager |
| 00:26.42 | secher | Why is debian-administration.org not a permanent part of /topic? |
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| 00:26.44 | Aim_Here | If it's anything like *cough*Excel, can't you prefix it with ' to make it accept the cell formula literally |
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| 00:26.53 | Kount | hello |
| 00:26.56 | abrotman | !find evidence |
| 00:27.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'evidence' (1): (/usr/include/lasso/xml/saml-2.0/saml2_evidence.h) in libdevel/liblasso3-dev. |
| 00:27.10 | abrotman | yay ... |
| 00:27.17 | abrotman | Wurstbrot: no idea where you got that package .. but it's not in debian |
| 00:27.30 | Kount | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.35 | cshaman | i'm having some difficulty upgrading python 2.3 to python 2.4. applications such as xchat use python 2.3, and after executing the command "apt-get remove python 2.3", apt-get's output states that it must remove the applications that use it. how can i upgrade my version of python without sacrificing some important applications? |
| 00:27.37 | abrotman | Aim_Here: in *which* application |
| 00:27.38 | litage | Aim_Here: that's only if the cell's format is non-text |
| 00:27.53 | Wurstbrot | i have nothing strange in my sources.list |
| 00:28.07 | abrotman | Wurstbrot: show us |
| 00:28.10 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:28.11 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 00:28.12 | Aim_Here | litage, err, you mean only if the cell's format is text and you don't want it evaluated |
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| 00:28.38 | beardy | cshaman: Don't remove 2.3, install 2.4, and run your things with 'python2.4 foo.pu' |
| 00:28.42 | beardy | py |
| 00:28.46 | Wurstbrot | n00b question: how do i copy text out of emacs? |
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| 00:28.52 | Celeste | hi |
| 00:28.53 | yassine | any one of you guys have a clue for me please ? |
| 00:29.00 | abrotman | Wurstbrot: are you IRCing from the machine ? |
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| 00:29.01 | beardy | Wurstbrot: Install gpm. |
| 00:29.07 | litage | Aim_Here: i set the format of a cell to 'Text'. i then put 'AltCall into the cell, and it included the single-quote in the contents |
| 00:29.12 | abrotman | beardy: he's in X |
| 00:29.17 | Celeste | please help me with a USB Stick problem: Here is the exact errormessage (comes from /var/log/syslog) http://sial.org/pbot/17479?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21 |
| 00:29.19 | litage | Aim_Here: so the cell displayed this: 'AltCall |
| 00:29.20 | beardy | abrotman: So? |
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| 00:29.29 | beardy | ;) |
| 00:29.33 | abrotman | beardy: he doesn't need gpm |
| 00:29.37 | nebo | Wurstbrot: mit der maus markieren und dann mit der dritten taste wieder rauslassen |
| 00:29.42 | yassine | secher, would you please have a look on my log here : http://pastebin.ca/60449 |
| 00:29.48 | abrotman | Wurstbrot: yes or no ? |
| 00:29.53 | Wurstbrot | danke |
| 00:29.57 | secher | yassine: Kk, one sec. |
| 00:30.03 | yassine | thanks |
| 00:30.04 | abrotman | Wurstbrot: are you IRCIng from the machine or not ? |
| 00:30.07 | cshaman | beardy: is there any alternative to that? i would like to run "python" if i can...it seems that if install a second python, "python" defaults to python2.3 rather than the latest version. |
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| 00:31.01 | Aim_Here | Strange. I tend to use Excel and Gnumeric so the oOo behaviour is odd to me |
| 00:31.05 | Angels2 | should a hardware raid5 scsi pull the cpu to 100% and drop the transferrate to 5mb/sec? *shrug |
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| 00:31.21 | beardy | cshaman: Yes, it defaults to the default version, which at the time is python 2.3. Well, in the hashbang in your scripts/programs, use python2.4 instead. Or make an alias for your user, to alias python to python2.4 |
| 00:31.28 | abrotman | Angels2: if it's degraded it might |
| 00:31.40 | litage | Aim_Here: just solved it. i had to disable Tools > Cell Contents > Auto Input. apparently disabling everything in Tools > AutoCorrect isn't enough =P |
| 00:31.51 | Angels2 | abrotman: it isnt |
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| 00:32.08 | secher | yassine: sorry, no clue to offer you. I don't use Gnome. |
| 00:32.17 | Angels2 | its either an hardware or a debian issue... running some tests right now |
| 00:32.20 | yassine | okay thanks |
| 00:32.28 | beardy | cshaman: You'll break things if you change the symlink, don't do that. |
| 00:32.33 | abrotman | Angels2: what's using it all? |
| 00:32.35 | Aim_Here | litage, Well I'll stick that as another reason to keep using gnumeric then |
| 00:32.41 | tethead | hey, how's it going? can anyone help me setup DNS properly? not a DNS server, just need it to start resolving stuff right... |
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| 00:32.46 | Wurstbrot | yes im on the machine |
| 00:32.53 | tethead | << running testing |
| 00:33.01 | litage | Aim_Here: does gnumeric support ODF? |
| 00:33.14 | Wurstbrot | trying to paste my sources.list |
| 00:33.15 | Angels2 | abrotman: what do you mean? |
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| 00:33.33 | abrotman | Wurstbrot: /j #flood |
| 00:33.35 | tethead | i think my routing tables are screwy, i've got 5 IPs on a single ethernet card, setup as eth0:0, :1, :2... etc |
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| 00:34.03 | Alam_Debian | mount -t loop <iso> <mountpoint> <- is this correct? |
| 00:34.09 | Aim_Here | litage, It was half written last time I checked |
| 00:34.11 | cshaman | beardy: So should I rename the 2.3 version of python to something like "python-old"? |
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| 00:34.30 | softwork | how i enable dri? |
| 00:34.38 | softwork | my dri is disabled |
| 00:34.42 | softwork | in xorg log |
| 00:34.45 | Aim_Here | litage, or I might be thinking of the normal OpenOffice format |
| 00:34.48 | abrotman | !drxx softwork |
| 00:34.48 | dpkg | softwork: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:35.01 | _ericb | I think I found something really wrong... : fakeroot mysql <= it works and connect as root |
| 00:35.03 | beardy | cshaman: No, don't touch them. Make an alias for your user. 'help alias' |
| 00:35.20 | softwork | i have Load dri |
| 00:35.44 | tethead | can anyone help with routing tables for a multiple IP box please? |
| 00:37.02 | cshaman | beardy: ah! i didn't even know aliases existed. thanks. |
| 00:37.04 | beardy | cheal: add "alias python='python2.4'" to your ~/.bashrc or your ~/.bash_profile |
| 00:37.14 | Alam_Debian | nvm |
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| 00:37.49 | evaded | deadcat_: I have found this info, tell me if it work for you, it does not for me. But the informations are interesting http://www.cit.gu.edu.au/~anthony/graphics/imagick6/formats/#png |
| 00:38.11 | beardy | cshaman: the above was for you |
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| 00:38.47 | J_Man | Does Chris Anderson (debian developer) hang out on IRC at all? |
| 00:38.52 | cshaman | beardy: yup, saw it. |
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| 00:38.54 | abrotman | do you iknow his nick ? |
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| 00:39.12 | J_Man | I have no clue |
| 00:39.23 | abrotman | in db.debian.org .. there is no chris anderson |
| 00:39.34 | J_Man | I'm asking because I just saw a blog post from him on Planet Debian, and I could help him out a lot |
| 00:39.38 | abrotman | J_Man: there are three andersons |
| 00:39.55 | abrotman | J_Man: oh .. he might be NM .. not a true DD yet |
| 00:39.56 | softwork | dri dont enable :/ |
| 00:40.01 | evaded | deadcat_: I have also found some usefull informations in French that tell that we need to tell the input and output image width. That's not a way to take, if we want to automatisate. Or... |
| 00:40.01 | J_Man | email address appears to be chris@nullcode.org, according to what I found online |
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| 00:40.59 | evaded | deadcat_: Oh my god: 'identify -format "%w" test.png', give the width of the image :-) |
| 00:41.07 | J_Man | ok, maybe he's a QA...*shrug* I got his email from: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=chris@nullcode.org |
| 00:41.10 | meriad | hey I have a domain name, and i want to register my serevr to be a name server... how do i set one up? |
| 00:41.18 | abrotman | J_Man: because he's NM .. |
| 00:41.21 | yassine | i tried to get the log of my proble and i collected it here : http://pastebin.ca/60456 the first part is the one where log in fails and the second is the one where it works |
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| 00:41.23 | abrotman | J_Man: he's still in the queue |
| 00:42.10 | J_Man | ok...I was just hoping maybe he hung out online, and I could give him a little help - his latest blog posting says he's moving to my area this summer for an internship, and doesn't know a thing about the area |
| 00:42.43 | abrotman | J_Man: you could of course .. email him :) |
| 00:42.51 | J_Man | I did |
| 00:42.53 | J_Man | :) |
| 00:42.53 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 00:43.10 | J_Man | just thought I'd check here - real-time conversations are much better sometimes |
| 00:43.13 | cr3 | is there a way to mount a fat32 filesystem on linux so that I can write to it as non-root? |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 00:43.24 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 00:43.25 | J_Man | -o umask=000 |
| 00:43.32 | J_Man | but that's not very secure either |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | neither is vfat :) |
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| 00:44.10 | Myon | J_Man: 'qa' and 'login' doesn't mean 'qa guy' there, it's a bit confusing, yes |
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| 00:44.50 | ojai | any sed wizards in the house? just trying to figure out how to insert a line into a pre-existing file |
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| 00:44.59 | abrotman | Myon: do you know the guy he's looking for ? |
| 00:45.11 | J_Man | well, I don't know much about the debian structure at all...I just know how I found his info |
| 00:45.51 | mock_turtle | selamlar |
| 00:45.56 | abrotman | stew: you did abandon us! |
| 00:46.11 | J_Man | I figured asking in here would be a shot in the dark with the number of devs debian has |
| 00:46.30 | abrotman | J_Man: some of them are known .. like myon |
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| 00:47.28 | Myon | abrotman! |
| 00:47.37 | Myon | where were you at debconf? |
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| 00:47.53 | abrotman | Myon: didn't go .. sorry .. |
| 00:48.04 | abrotman | oh crap .. my productivity just fell! |
| 00:48.10 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:48.11 | abrotman | Myon: i really wish i had gone though |
| 00:48.14 | Myon | abrotman, J_Man: I think I remember the name, but rather in MIA context |
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| 00:48.55 | abrotman | Myon: did they decide on DC7 yet? |
| 00:49.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: not yet |
| 00:49.26 | abrotman | (though i may have to attend a wedding in albania .. so i might not be able to make two trips to europe in a few months) |
| 00:49.28 | Myon | no, it was postponed for 30d |
| 00:49.44 | Myon | because the Sarajevo guy didn't get a visa |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | i still vote for philly! |
| 00:49.50 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:49.56 | abrotman | didn't get a visa for what? |
| 00:50.14 | Myon | .mx |
| 00:50.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:50.24 | abrotman | i can get a visa for philly! :) |
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| 00:50.30 | Myon | Mexico doesn't let anyone in that could remotely annoy the US |
| 00:50.30 | thingfish | you know those albanians are pretty wild. |
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| 00:50.39 | abrotman | thingfish: i work with one! |
| 00:50.48 | abrotman | Myon: you mean the US gov't |
| 00:50.55 | thingfish | abrotman: watch him/her. |
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| 00:51.08 | Myon | I don't remember the name, but the Bosian people are all/mostly muslims, so you can figure |
| 00:51.15 | abrotman | oh .. i guess |
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| 00:51.38 | abrotman | but that seems silly |
| 00:51.42 | Myon | abrotman: unfortunately, in visa context, the difference between the US and its people doesn't matter |
| 00:51.54 | abrotman | i'd welcome you all to philly! :) |
| 00:52.06 | Myon | we should start placing bets |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | i guess we'll just have to have the #debian-conf in philly .. |
| 00:52.20 | abrotman | !dc7 pool |
| 00:52.21 | GeorgeS069 | cheesesteaks and TasyKakes for everybody:) |
| 00:52.22 | abrotman | nope ... |
| 00:52.28 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: and Yuengling |
| 00:52.30 | abrotman | !!!! |
| 00:52.30 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 00:52.35 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 00:52.35 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 00:52.39 | GeorgeS069 | and soft pretzels too! |
| 00:52.45 | Myon | !beer abrotman |
| 00:52.46 | abrotman | yeah .. those too |
| 00:52.48 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 00:53.08 | GeorgeS069 | I'll make the steaks |
| 00:53.22 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: i'll bring the Whiz! |
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| 00:53.47 | thingfish | it's tacos here tonight. |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: and the Yuengling .. and a few sixtals from Sly Fox! |
| 00:54.06 | GeorgeS069 | coo |
| 00:54.07 | GeorgeS069 | l |
| 00:54.41 | abrotman | mmm .. Sly Fox |
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| 00:55.02 | tnks_ | Hi. Configuring the keyboard is slightly more complicated than I was expecting. Can someone help me figure out how xmodmap relates to xkb? |
| 00:55.24 | GeorgeS069 | I got a keg hook-up but,I'll need adaptors for the sixtals |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | i think they have regular kegs |
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| 00:56.26 | GeorgeS069 | fsck it...we'll just pump it up and chug it:) |
| 00:56.45 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:56.56 | abrotman | secher: sly fox! |
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| 00:57.22 | GeorgeS069 | anyone here using postfix 2.2.10-1 on Etch yet? |
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| 00:58.40 | sid | !tell GeorgeS069 about anyone |
| 00:58.49 | sid | !tell GeorgeS069 about ask |
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| 00:59.53 | GeorgeS069 | ok....postfix 2.2.10 won't install and I want to know if anyone has seen the same problem and found a fix for it. |
| 01:00.00 | abrotman | checked the BTS? |
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| 01:00.49 | GeorgeS069 | nope...I'm new here...don't know how to use the bots |
| 01:01.04 | GeorgeS069 | oh wait...you mean bug tracking |
| 01:01.12 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:01.13 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 01:01.35 | GeorgeS069 | yes...the bug was reported back in febuary and is mark as closed now...that's all I could really find out |
| 01:01.53 | GeorgeS069 | I sent in a report |
| 01:01.54 | abrotman | bug number? |
| 01:02.38 | GeorgeS069 | 348645 |
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| 01:05.02 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: seems like you have to stop postfix manually .. do the upgrade .. then start it |
| 01:05.11 | GeorgeS069 | tried that |
| 01:05.38 | abrotman | and .. same error ? |
| 01:05.39 | GeorgeS069 | when I do that then it fails when the install tries to stop postfix |
| 01:05.44 | GeorgeS069 | yes |
| 01:05.53 | abrotman | paste the whole error some where |
| 01:06.12 | Ashex | pastebin |
| 01:06.17 | Ashex | er |
| 01:06.19 | Ashex | !pastebin |
| 01:06.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 01:06.34 | abrotman | err |
| 01:06.35 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:06.36 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 01:06.38 | GeorgeS069 | It's short...I can post it here |
| 01:06.42 | abrotman | no you can't |
| 01:06.47 | abrotman | try #flood |
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| 01:07.04 | GeorgeS069 | invoke-rc.d: initscript postfix, action "restart" failed. |
| 01:07.04 | GeorgeS069 | dpkg: error processing postfix (--configure): |
| 01:07.32 | GeorgeS069 | oops |
| 01:07.33 | abrotman | and if you stop it .. and try again ? |
| 01:07.39 | GeorgeS069 | same thing |
| 01:07.45 | GeorgeS069 | tried with it running and stopped |
| 01:07.59 | abrotman | same error always? |
| 01:08.02 | Ashex | you're using apt to upgrade? |
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| 01:08.11 | GeorgeS069 | and the regular postfix stop/start command works fine |
| 01:08.12 | abrotman | what should he use? |
| 01:08.23 | Ashex | try an apt-get -f |
| 01:08.25 | GeorgeS069 | I used apt-get and aptitude |
| 01:08.51 | Ashex | -f Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails |
| 01:08.51 | abrotman | yeah .. -f .. big help |
| 01:08.59 | GeorgeS069 | ok |
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| 01:09.07 | Ashex | eh, worth a shot |
| 01:09.11 | abrotman | i was joking .. |
| 01:09.25 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 01:09.27 | GeorgeS069 | same error |
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| 01:09.57 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: does it say if it's the postinst or the preinst ? |
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| 01:10.03 | abrotman | or some other script ? |
| 01:10.53 | GeorgeS069 | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 01:11.00 | GeorgeS069 | post I guess |
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| 01:11.32 | abrotman | you could erm ... comment that line out :) |
| 01:11.38 | GeorgeS069 | LOL |
| 01:11.56 | g8se | Anyone know how to get rid of old amanda runs from the holding disk without using amflush? I don't have a tape available. |
| 01:12.03 | g8se | I asked in #amanda, but no one seems awake |
| 01:12.10 | GeorgeS069 | If I could figure out what line it is I could probably just fix it:) |
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| 01:12.45 | abrotman | look in the postinst script |
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| 01:14.37 | GeorgeS069 | ok...I'm looking |
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| 01:16.00 | abrotman | NAPTIME! |
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| 01:16.29 | jhiver | hi all |
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| 01:16.49 | jhiver | is there a way I could force a check disk for the next reboot? |
| 01:17.01 | abrotman | touch /forcefsck |
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| 01:17.24 | cptahab | I'm keep failing trying to update Azureus. Update from within the application doesn't seem to work, and using "restartscript" in /usr/share/azureus fails as well. Any ideas? |
| 01:17.25 | jhiver | so I do that, then reboot and it's cool? |
| 01:17.28 | jhiver | excellent! |
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| 01:17.50 | Dewi | cptahab: the update within the application is incompatible with the way the debian package launches |
| 01:18.09 | Dewi | cptahab: basically this is because when you launch azureus using the system menus, you are launching the version installed on the machine |
| 01:18.13 | lakez | mysql-server is at 5.0.20, and mysql.com has 5.0.22 released that addressed a security issue. How long before they update to the secure mysql-server 5.0.22 ? |
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| 01:18.17 | Dewi | cptahab: but updates - obviously - go to your home directory |
| 01:18.38 | Dewi | cptahab: I was under the impression, however, that the version currently in apt is quite new |
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| 01:18.49 | jhiver | abrotman, that did it, thanks it's excellent |
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| 01:19.08 | cptahab | Dewi: it's 2.2.0, the most current version is 2.4.0.2 |
| 01:19.11 | abrotman | jhiver: nice trick eh ? :) |
| 01:19.14 | Dewi | cptahab: not in testing |
| 01:19.20 | cptahab | Dewi: ah |
| 01:19.32 | Dewi | cptahab: are you on stable? |
| 01:19.36 | JordiGH | Hey, how can I figure out the name of my usb pendrive? It's usually /dev/sda1, but this machine has an actual hard disk in there instead. |
| 01:19.39 | jhiver | abrotman, yep |
| 01:19.40 | Dewi | $ apt-cache policy azureus Installed: 2.4.0.2-1 |
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| 01:19.47 | owh | Hmm, so I'm in the process of doing a remote install of Debian over the top of RedHat. I've compiled my ethernet module and am at the point where I've exited the chrooted environment to copy the kernel into /boot. Only it's already there, lilo isn't installed, it's using grub and I cannot find the original kernel images anywhere... |
| 01:19.58 | cptahab | Dewi: yes, I'm running sarge |
| 01:20.09 | abrotman | owh: installing how? debootstrap ? |
| 01:20.16 | owh | abrotman: Yup |
| 01:20.35 | Dewi | cptahab: okay, well... you could either borrow a package from testing, or you could attempt to get the in-program update thing working properly. I've done both. |
| 01:20.47 | Dewi | cptahab: I was doing the latter until they recently updated the version in apt |
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| 01:21.02 | abrotman | owh: did it format /boot/ partition ? |
| 01:21.06 | Dewi | cptahab: however to upgrade that far there are some interesting challenges, such as the change in version of SWT libs |
| 01:21.17 | owh | abrotman: Did what format it? |
| 01:21.22 | Dewi | cptahab: have you performed an upgrade within the program? |
| 01:21.35 | JordiGH | I thought /proc had some information about this sort of thing, the place where a usb pendrive would get assigned its device name. |
| 01:21.35 | cptahab | Dewi: I merely tried, but I assumed it would fail |
| 01:21.44 | cptahab | Dewi: As your first comment indicated |
| 01:21.44 | abrotman | owh: debootstrap ? |
| 01:21.53 | owh | abrotman: Why would it do that? |
| 01:21.54 | Dewi | cptahab: in my experience, it succeeds, but it fails to actually launch |
| 01:22.00 | cptahab | Dewi: That's how I found restartScript in /usr/share/azureus |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | owh: you asked it to ? |
| 01:22.21 | caracal | i am now convinced that xorg in etch is simply broken with respect to matrox cards ... can anyone shed any further light on the subject? |
| 01:22.24 | owh | abrotman: Nope. I asked it to install debian into a nicely mounted swap partition. |
| 01:22.40 | Dewi | cptahab: I don't even have that directory. |
| 01:22.48 | cptahab | Dewi: AFAI can remember, it did download the new version, but to my home directory. updating the .jars in /usr/share/azurues failed due to a lack of permissions |
| 01:22.56 | caracal | well, presumably not *all* matrox cards, but at least the g400/g450/g550 family |
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| 01:23.05 | Dewi | cptahab: my approach involved including '~/bin' in my PATH |
| 01:23.08 | JordiGH | How can I mount my usb pen drive? |
| 01:23.08 | abrotman | caracal: checked the bts? |
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| 01:23.17 | Dewi | cptahab: and then adding a script like this in ~/bin called 'azureus' |
| 01:23.20 | abrotman | owh: so update-grub can't find anything ? |
| 01:23.20 | Dewi | cptahab: see query |
| 01:23.30 | caracal | abrotman: bts? |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:23.35 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 01:23.37 | owh | abrotman: Is that available under RedHat? |
| 01:23.49 | caracal | oh, that |
| 01:23.52 | abrotman | owh: should be in the debian install .. whereever you put that |
| 01:24.06 | lakez | guys,any idea why debian has not released mysql's 5.0.22 ? the current version has a security issue in it. |
| 01:24.19 | abrotman | lakez: in which version of debian ? |
| 01:24.24 | lakez | Security fix: A malicious client, using specially crafted invalid login or COM_TABLE_DUMP packets was able to read uninitialized memory, which potentially, though unlikely in MySQL, could have led to an information disclosure. (CVE-2006-1516, CVE-2006-1517) Thanks to Stefano Di Paola <stefano.dipaola@wisec.it> for finding and reporting this bug. |
| 01:24.30 | lakez | Security fix: A malicious client, using specially crafted invalid COM_TABLE_DUMP packets was able to trigger an exploitable buffer overflow on the server. (CVE-2006-1518) Thanks to Stefano Di Paola <stefano.dipaola@wisec.it> for finding and reporting this bug. |
| 01:24.33 | caracal | well, sorta, but let me look more closely |
| 01:24.33 | cptahab | Dewi: thanks |
| 01:24.39 | lakez | abrotman, how do I see ? i think it's etch |
| 01:24.43 | lakez | i'm new to debian... |
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| 01:24.55 | abrotman | lakez: you're using mysql5 from etch .. on a production server? |
| 01:25.06 | lakez | not production, local |
| 01:25.23 | abrotman | lakez: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 01:25.29 | owh | abrotman: Hold on. I'm running RedHat, I deactivated swap, ran debootstrap across it, chrooted into it, installed a minimal debian with lilo - didn't run any lilo commands, then exited the chroot, and I'm now at the point of getting my machine to reboot using my kernel and root drive. |
| 01:25.44 | abrotman | lakez: etch hasn't been released .. you'll get security updates if you're lucky :) |
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| 01:26.18 | abrotman | owh: so ... debian has no lilo .. and you don't know how to configure grub ? |
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| 01:26.51 | cheal | lakez: Debian doesn't "release" upstream software. MySQL 5.0.22 is in Debian |
| 01:26.54 | owh | abrotman: Well, the debian root volume has lilo, but I cannot really run that to update the boot block without breaking stuff can I? |
| 01:27.10 | owh | abrotman: Yes, I don't know how to use grub also :-) |
| 01:27.48 | abrotman | owh: i can tell you how to run grub .. but i'm not sure it will work .. and it's remote |
| 01:27.51 | lakez | what's the version before etch? |
| 01:27.53 | lakez | i'll just downgrade |
| 01:28.06 | ojai | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.10 | abrotman | you can't downgrade |
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| 01:28.15 | abrotman | ojai: please don't |
| 01:28.17 | cheal | lakez: sarge |
| 01:28.29 | lakez | ok, if you're on sarge and they release etch, will it upgrade? |
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| 01:28.34 | abrotman | depends |
| 01:28.37 | Ashex | So, a few days ago I was trying to compile cinilerra but get telling my I needed bzip2 development headers, so I used Alien to install those. Well last night was trying to upgrade KDE from 3.3.2 or whatever the stable release is to 3.5.2 last night using Konstruct. I kept getting errors and such so I finally gave up and added backports to my repository and ran an upgrade. I kept running into errors because of bzip2-dev, so I did a dpkg - |
| 01:28.37 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 01:28.37 | Ashex | -purge to remove it. Well, kde is broken and I can't launch programs. right now I'm doing a dist-upgrade to testing since I know I will be wanting to upgrade other crap. |
| 01:28.38 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00015.html |
| 01:28.46 | KodeK | I'd like to thank everyone who helped me go from sarge 2.4 to etch 2.6, and got my new nic to work in the process :D |
| 01:28.51 | lakez | cheal, my apt-cache show mysql-server shows..5.0.20 |
| 01:28.55 | KodeK | It's running great now :D |
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| 01:29.14 | abrotman | Ashex: didn't LoRez already try to help you with this ? |
| 01:29.23 | Ashex | Yeah, but I didn't have any success |
| 01:29.28 | abrotman | lakez: apt-get update |
| 01:29.32 | Ashex | I'm doing a dist-upgrade to testing |
| 01:29.40 | prophet | !dpkg SIYH |
| 01:29.40 | dpkg | well, siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 01:29.45 | abrotman | though mine is 5.0.22 .. but it's just mysql .. who cares |
| 01:29.52 | Ashex | My question is, if I do this dist-upgrade and get kde upgraded properlym will I have the applications menu back? |
| 01:29.59 | abrotman | Ashex: ok .. so paste the error somewhere |
| 01:30.02 | owh | abrotman: Given that I know lilo better, am I smarter to use lilo to make a boot block - given that the old one is already gone, or can I find a way to confirm that first? |
| 01:30.15 | caracal | okay, everybody who has had this bug has either (a) been using mga_hal (direct from Matrox) and stopped, (b) not been using mga_hal and started, or (c) downgraded xorg from 6.9.0 to 6.8.2 ... i'm thinking of trying (c), since i don't use mga_hal and don't especially want to |
| 01:30.24 | abrotman | owh: i switched from lilo a while ago |
| 01:30.49 | Ashex | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/749639 |
| 01:31.03 | lakez | abrotman, can you look at http://pastebin.com/750372 ... that info is either wrong or i'm doing something wrong : Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
| 01:31.07 | caracal | i wonder if i can do that by just saying aptitude install xserver-xorg=6.8.2 ... something tells me that won't actually "just work" |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | !tell Ashex about overwrite |
| 01:31.18 | owh | abrotman: That is, use grub to figure out how it will boot when I restart the thing. |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:31.49 | myren | why does umount -f not unmount something?! |
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| 01:32.09 | abrotman | lakcaj: eh .. your sources? |
| 01:32.15 | owh | myren: Something is using it, use lsof | grep {mount point| |
| 01:32.15 | myren | and why does lsof not work when a nfs mount is down |
| 01:32.25 | abrotman | myren: because it's down |
| 01:32.29 | myren | yeah, see, losf isnt working |
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| 01:32.50 | myren | i have a nfs link i basically always leave open, even when i dont have a net connect |
| 01:33.05 | myren | and now i have an external hard drive plugged in |
| 01:33.15 | myren | since lsof doesnt work, i cant see whats using my hard drive |
| 01:33.18 | owh | abrotman: Can I get grub to tell me how it's going to boot? |
| 01:33.43 | abrotman | owh: you mean besides looking in the conf file ? |
| 01:34.00 | myren | what a terrible god awful design |
| 01:34.05 | lakcaj | abrotman: I suspect that was for lakez |
| 01:34.19 | owh | abrotman: Well, yeah, seeing that the conf file likely points to things that are no longer there, and I don't actually know where it lives either. |
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| 01:34.59 | abrotman | lakcaj: oh .. probably ... |
| 01:35.03 | abrotman | lakez: your sources! |
| 01:35.14 | abrotman | owh: and you're not sure what will be where ? |
| 01:35.30 | owh | abrotman: The conf file(s) :-) |
| 01:35.34 | owh | abrotman: For grub. |
| 01:35.44 | abrotman | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:35.55 | caracal | bah, of course there's no version 6.8.2 of xorg, since my sources.list doesn't point to one |
| 01:35.57 | owh | abrotman: Well that doesn't exist. |
| 01:36.15 | myren | GGrreeat, restart X, kill all my programs, make sure no one is holding my nfs mount. Demount nfs and LSOF finally graces me by working |
| 01:36.21 | myren | and tells me not a fucking soul is using /mnt/music |
| 01:36.30 | myren | which i still cannot umount |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman | owh: this is going to end badly eh ? :) |
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| 01:36.54 | owh | abrotman: That's what I'm afraid of :-( |
| 01:36.58 | tsume | poor debian, ubuntu has more ;( |
| 01:36.59 | abrotman | myren: how about /mnt/ ? |
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| 01:37.12 | abrotman | fucking stupid trolls |
| 01:37.15 | myren | no takers in lsof |
| 01:37.37 | abrotman | though .. he's a stupid troll too |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | owh: so you're already out of the chroot ? |
| 01:37.58 | myren | thankfully debian has less. less idiots like him. |
| 01:38.05 | owh | abrotman: Yup |
| 01:38.11 | abrotman | i don't understand what he means .. because .. he's just damn stupid |
| 01:38.14 | ProphetPX | question: what is the most basic way to setup most all of debian's basic system settings besides /etc and dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 01:38.26 | myren | bollox, i'm sorry ext3, but you are about to be very rudely disconnected. |
| 01:38.38 | abrotman | nooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 01:38.42 | myren | *cought* bitch *cough* |
| 01:38.55 | abrotman | oh wait .. the external device is ext3 ? |
| 01:39.07 | myren | yeah |
| 01:39.22 | abrotman | tried to sync it before umount ? |
| 01:39.29 | ProphetPX | oskie: fedora has system-xxxx-setup .. etc ... |
| 01:39.32 | abrotman | (though .. umount should do that) |
| 01:39.34 | ProphetPX | er ie: |
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| 01:39.44 | abrotman | ProphetPX: what do you mena ? |
| 01:39.47 | jhenn | hi. does debian include non-free package SunJava? |
| 01:39.55 | abrotman | jhenn: yes and no |
| 01:39.58 | ProphetPX | i mean, does debian have some program that can set everything up in, like redhat or fedora has |
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| 01:40.11 | jhenn | abrotman: thats against the dfsg |
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| 01:40.14 | jhenn | abrotman: isn't it |
| 01:40.14 | ProphetPX | oskie: fedora has xxxxx-setup or setup-xxxx ... does debian have anything like that |
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| 01:40.20 | abrotman | ProphetPX: you mean like kickstart for RH ? |
| 01:40.20 | stew | jhenn: no. but debian does, for now, distribute a sun java pacakge in non-free in unstable |
| 01:40.20 | owh | abrotman: Can I get grub to do a non-destructive "show me your money" command, so I can figure out if it's already fsked before I really break it with lilo? |
| 01:40.25 | ProphetPX | like a sys-wide setup tool |
| 01:40.29 | myren | is there any way to see the CWD of all my programs? |
| 01:40.32 | abrotman | jhenn: it got into unstable .. but i think it's coming back out |
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| 01:40.39 | jhenn | stew: can i message you |
| 01:40.43 | jhenn | abrotman: its in base? |
| 01:40.44 | abrotman | jhenn: so .. /msg dpkg install java |
| 01:40.45 | ProphetPX | i need to re-setup my console ... it's flakey |
| 01:40.48 | muttix | ProphetPX, nano ;) |
| 01:40.48 | stew | jhenn: and /msg dpkg java-package |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | jhenn: it was in non-free |
| 01:40.56 | ProphetPX | lmao yeah yeha ... tell me another one |
| 01:40.59 | jhenn | abrotman: now its in free? |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | nope |
| 01:41.09 | owh | ProphetPX: dpkg-reconfigure console; perhaps? |
| 01:41.10 | yassine | any idea how to solve this ? Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/mini-commander-global/macro_patterns' specified for `/apps/mini-commander/macro_patterns' stores a non-schema value |
| 01:41.11 | stew | jhenn: its certainly not in base, its not in debian at all |
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| 01:41.19 | stew | jhenn: there is no need to /msg me, just keep it in channel |
| 01:41.21 | ProphetPX | i'd use nano if i was a freakin expert and knew where every config file and every option was lolol |
| 01:41.28 | jhenn | stew: its a paste |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | !info sun-java5-jdk |
| 01:41.33 | dpkg | sun-java5-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-06-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4868 kB, Installed size: 11336 kB |
| 01:41.43 | abrotman | !tell ProphetPX about fai |
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| 01:41.47 | stew | jhenn: http://channels.debian.net/paster |
| 01:41.47 | abrotman | !tell ProphetPX about dphys |
| 01:41.49 | ProphetPX | oooooooooh!! |
| 01:41.56 | T_VoiD | myren: because lsof is affected the same as your task. at some point it tries to access the mount and it hangs . |
| 01:42.01 | abrotman | ProphetPX: is that what you want ? |
| 01:42.20 | T_VoiD | myren: I just straced it to check :) |
| 01:42.21 | stew | jhenn: uhh, without the last r, just /paste |
| 01:42.28 | ProphetPX | hmmmmmmmmm ok bubut what is dphys? fai sounds what i might want, yeah |
| 01:42.42 | abrotman | ProphetPX: FAI is more well known |
| 01:42.50 | abrotman | afaik .. tarzeau is the only one using dphys |
| 01:43.02 | jhenn | stew: abrotman http://channels.debian.net/paste/2699 |
| 01:43.08 | ProphetPX | mmmmmm fai ... might be what i want mmmmmm lol |
| 01:43.21 | dn4 | <sbahra> dn4, ALSA is a kernel framework, which is really, designed with too much presence of marijuana. |
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| 01:43.37 | stew | !debwiki jhenn Java/Sun |
| 01:43.37 | dpkg | jhenn: http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 01:43.39 | ProphetPX | thanx! brb |
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| 01:43.44 | malenfant | Hello. With xserver-xorg (latest, debian unstable, x69), I'm experiencing slowdowns (60-90% CPU usage from the Xorg process). Has anyone experienced something similar? |
| 01:43.48 | ProphetPX | lmao @ ALSA |
| 01:43.52 | ProphetPX | hahaha |
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| 01:44.45 | JordiGH | Well, I feel dumb. SuSE used to think that my usb pendrive was in /dev/sdf1, but now Debian thinks it's in /dev/sdf1. I wish I understood how these things are named, in what order, and how I could find out. |
| 01:44.45 | JordiGH | Er, Debian thinks it's /dev/sdb1 |
| 01:44.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:44.52 | abrotman | order of modules loaded |
| 01:44.58 | ProphetPX | ha my pen drive is in /dev/sda1 |
| 01:45.01 | ProphetPX | lmao |
| 01:45.19 | ProphetPX | and mounted on /media/usbdrive lol but i did that one |
| 01:45.23 | phogg | JordiGH: my flash drive gravitates between uba and ubb. This is something udev is supposed to solve. |
| 01:45.24 | jhenn | stew: abrotman you read link? |
| 01:45.33 | ProphetPX | yeah @ udev |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | the link ? |
| 01:45.37 | Rockj | I'am looking for some kind of file-viewers for GUI to use in xwindows- Any suggested ones? (like my computer in windows). Also want it to be able to browse samba-shares.. |
| 01:45.39 | JordiGH | So is mine, usually. Except that in this machine, /dev/sda is actually occupied by a hard disk. |
| 01:45.49 | stew | jhenn: yes, did you read the wiki.debian.org entry? do you have a related question? |
| 01:45.50 | abrotman | jhenn: reading now |
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| 01:46.20 | abrotman | jhenn: i already said .. i'm pretty sure it's getting pulled back out |
| 01:46.22 | felipefda | hello.. |
| 01:46.40 | felipefda | What packages are need to connect at IMAP through KMAIL??? |
| 01:46.44 | jhenn | abrotman: if its in non-free i don't care that is acceptable stew too |
| 01:46.50 | JordiGH | Thanks for your help. SuSE has a nice hardware detection thingie that notices when you plug in a usb pendrive, which is nice. It also uses acrobat reader as the default reader, which is just bizarre. |
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| 01:47.00 | JordiGH | SuSE sucks! |
| 01:47.11 | abrotman | jhenn: most view non-free/contrib as not Debian .. |
| 01:47.29 | jski23 | hey all, i'm trying to boot an old laptop w/ no OS and only a floppy.... |
| 01:47.32 | stew | jhenn: its in non-free in unstable for now, but it is possible (many say likely) that it won't last there becuase the license only permits it to be distributed with the os, and debian doesn't consider non-free part of debian |
| 01:47.32 | abrotman | jhenn: if you look in non-free ..there are all kinds of weird things in there |
| 01:47.41 | T_VoiD | myren: hum have some ideads about the umount, but I don't know if you(re listening now |
| 01:47.46 | abrotman | stew: i'd think that's the least of the concerns |
| 01:47.48 | GeorgeS069 | I give up...guess I'll have to wait for a fix |
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| 01:47.55 | JordiGH | Later! |
| 01:47.58 | |ryan| | what's the new way to do automatich iptables stuff since /etc/init.d/iptables is no more? |
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| 01:48.02 | stew | jhenn: there are other false statements in that paste such as "You also can't ship gcj and sun jdk a long side each other", which you can. |
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| 01:49.08 | abrotman | stew: that paste? |
| 01:49.22 | stew | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2699 |
| 01:49.32 | abrotman | stew: eh .. the way i read it .. you can't |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | stew: if you want .. i'll find the license |
| 01:49.57 | stew | its ok |
| 01:50.12 | stew | abrotman: the problem would be if you tried to ship sun's java using gnu's classpath |
| 01:50.13 | abrotman | stew: let me see if i can find it again |
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| 01:52.04 | abrotman | c) you do not combine, configure or distribute |
| 01:52.05 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.05 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.05 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:52.11 | abrotman | stupid line breaks |
| 01:52.15 | caracal | ouch ... several places now, i've found people saying that they just "downgraded xserver-xorg from 6.9.0 to 6.8.2" ... so great, how do i find 6.8.2 to downgrade to? |
| 01:52.23 | abrotman | stew: i'd think that to mean .. you can't ship it with gcj .. but IANAL |
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| 01:52.51 | caracal | not that i really want to do that, but xorg seems to be in a state of flux right now, and xfree86 is just *gone* (except from stable) |
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| 01:53.28 | cptahab | 4am, time for bed. |
| 01:53.40 | cptahab | Dewi, thanks again for the info |
| 01:53.51 | cptahab | bye |
| 01:53.51 | Dewi | np |
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| 01:54.29 | caracal | and no, abrotman, this particular behavior has no bug report ... several similar ones, but nothing related to mga since january ... i know this was working in february, which was the last time i restarted X |
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| 01:54.36 | Azar | caracal: I still use xfree86 in etch |
| 01:55.29 | caracal | looks like an update i did back in april netted me a new xserver-xorg and xserver-common ... i know, i should have restarted back then |
| 01:55.44 | aredhel | caracal, http://snapshot.debian.net/ keeps most old packages. |
| 01:56.01 | caracal | azar: you installed it manually? |
| 01:56.04 | johnsu01 | What might cause load to shoot up and a umount command on a usb-storage device to take a really long time? |
| 01:56.07 | caracal | aredhel: thanks, i'll check there |
| 01:56.14 | Azar | caracal: I doubt xorg will auto install with any update |
| 01:56.33 | johnsu01 | I did copy a large file onto it, and it is a relatively slow device (cell phone). |
| 01:56.43 | Azar | caracal: I used sarge with xfree86 then just dist-upgraded to etch. xorg never came with it |
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| 01:56.53 | caracal | hmmm |
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| 01:57.26 | caracal | i was on etch when they made the transition xfree86 --> x.org ... i went to x.org at that time, sometime late last year iirc |
| 01:57.41 | wsjunior | i've just installed debian from netinstall now i would like to know how to install gnome. could anybody help me? |
| 01:57.44 | caracal | seemed like a good idea at the time <grin> |
| 01:57.53 | Azar | caracal: most likely you did apt-get install(ed) xorg yourself |
| 01:58.04 | abrotman | wsjunior: apt-get install gdm x-window-system gnome |
| 01:58.17 | caracal | azar: oh, i most certainly did, yes |
| 01:58.23 | wsjunior | abrotman: thanks i'll try |
| 01:58.31 | caracal | had to manually *remove* xfree, in fact |
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| 01:59.05 | caracal | and it has worked fine since then, until monday when we had a power blip ... and my new UPS is still sitting in its box, waiting for just such an event |
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| 01:59.26 | wsjunior | abrotman: it seems that there is some deps.. should i add some repositorie? |
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| 01:59.38 | sortadi | abrotman: just gnome, or gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 01:59.42 | johnsu01 | ah, it's spitting errors into dmesg.. Like: sd 3:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x10070000 |
| 01:59.42 | johnsu01 | end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 49559 |
| 01:59.43 | abrotman | gnome is fine |
| 01:59.48 | abrotman | wsjunior: some deps? |
| 01:59.53 | caracal | i guess if i had taken the time to take my system down and put it onto the UPS, i would have ridden past this foolishness, the x.org modular upgrade would be firmly in place, and i'd be happy |
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| 02:00.04 | wsjunior | abrotman: that gnome-desktop-environment |
| 02:00.16 | wsjunior | abrotman: but apt-get complains that cant find it |
| 02:00.18 | johnsu01 | one for every sector :/ |
| 02:00.23 | abrotman | wsjunior: was this sarge or etch you installed ? |
| 02:00.24 | Azar | caracal: I am totally out of xorg: never used it |
| 02:00.30 | wsjunior | abrotman: etch |
| 02:00.38 | abrotman | ah .. big difference |
| 02:00.45 | abrotman | ok . some stuff might not be installable today |
| 02:00.47 | caracal | azar: it's great when it works <g> |
| 02:00.47 | caracal | but right now, consider yourself lucky |
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| 02:00.47 | wsjunior | abrotman: there is just one repositorie at source.list |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | wsjunior: that's ok .. it's an HTTP source right? |
| 02:01.05 | wsjunior | abrotman: ya |
| 02:01.14 | abrotman | wsjunior: apt-get install gnome-core gdm x-window-system-core |
| 02:01.22 | Azar | caracal: I only like to hold on and use things that are stable and work |
| 02:01.45 | caracal | aredhel: okay, i'm at that snapshot site ... all i see are source packages ... do they also have debs? |
| 02:01.51 | wsjunior | abrotman: it still complains about deps that cant be found |
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| 02:02.24 | wsjunior | abrotman: i think that i should add some repositorie.. shouldnt i? |
| 02:02.28 | abrotman | wsjunior: nope |
| 02:02.33 | caracal | azar: yes, and x.org was stable and worked for, oh, several months now ... and i realize that if i wanted to avoid such bumps in the road, i could use stable instead of testing |
| 02:02.36 | abrotman | wsjunior: it's like ftp.us.debian.org right? |
| 02:02.40 | abrotman | wsjunior: what's the line ? |
| 02:02.54 | stew | abrotman: yeah, that looks bad, i could swear i had seen another analysis of that which didn't look so bad. but it looks bad |
| 02:03.03 | wsjunior | abrotman: thats odd.. i installed kde just by typing aptitude install kde kdm and its working.. |
| 02:03.05 | caracal | but if nobody used testing, it would never get, um, tested <g> |
| 02:03.13 | wsjunior | abrotman: ya. |
| 02:03.16 | abrotman | stew: my knowledge of java is surely less than yours .. but i'd think gcj conflicts there |
| 02:03.25 | stew | abrotman: i agree |
| 02:03.25 | wsjunior | abrotman: let me check |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | wsjunior: can you install gdm ? |
| 02:03.29 | Azar | caracal: there are ways to go back and replace packages, but I am not going to go into this. ask the regulars here |
| 02:03.33 | caracal | aredhel: ah, never mind, i found the binary packages |
| 02:03.40 | caracal | azar: thanks, i think i have that covered |
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| 02:03.51 | wsjunior | abrotman: yes |
| 02:03.53 | caracal | this just isn't something i do every day, so i have to re-read the docs on it |
| 02:03.55 | gpm | so, are people still going to be on this freenode channel after the move to oftc? |
| 02:03.56 | abrotman | wsjunior: because it's etch(aka testing) .. not all things are installable every day |
| 02:03.59 | wsjunior | abrotman: it is installing gdm |
| 02:04.01 | phaedrus_ | i love debia linux |
| 02:04.01 | ProphetPX | question: how do i get a regular account to be able to use X? so far only root can and my reg. login can't ... something about X authority wrapper |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | wsjunior: so we'll start small .. and go up :) |
| 02:04.08 | phaedrus_ | and debian linux |
| 02:04.14 | wsjunior | abrotman: ok :) |
| 02:04.18 | abrotman | wsjunior: when it's done .. let me know |
| 02:04.23 | caracal | gpm: i'm sure some will ... perhaps not as many, though |
| 02:04.30 | debian | !oftc |
| 02:04.30 | dpkg | hmm... oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net |
| 02:04.34 | abrotman | gpm: apparently so |
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| 02:05.32 | debian | gpm: what's the problem with freenode btw? |
| 02:05.46 | abrotman | !oftc move |
| 02:05.46 | dpkg | irc.debian.org is moving to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
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| 02:06.30 | wsjunior | abrotman: ok. it`s done. what do i do now? |
| 02:06.33 | gpm | so, most of the ops are moving to otfc then? |
| 02:06.37 | gpm | oftc |
| 02:06.38 | gpm | doh |
| 02:06.39 | debian | June 4th, good day. |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | wsjunior: can you isntall gnome-panel ? |
| 02:06.55 | gpm | debian: i have no problem with freenode |
| 02:06.56 | debian | what is i.d.o? |
| 02:07.03 | gpm | debian: irc.debian.org |
| 02:07.03 | Azar | gmp do not cheer yet |
| 02:07.12 | debian | do we still get our nick? |
| 02:07.12 | abrotman | wsjunior: or gnome-session ? |
| 02:07.30 | wsjunior | abrotman: i'll try |
| 02:07.30 | gpm | debian: if it's not in use by someone there...i'd assume. same as over here. |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | debian: your nick ? |
| 02:07.35 | gpm | ok....... |
| 02:07.37 | gpm | i'm out |
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| 02:07.42 | lakez | anyone know why this doesn't work ?? : Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
| 02:07.43 | abrotman | debian: from what i understand .. no hostmasks on OFTC |
| 02:07.57 | wsjunior | abrotman: no i cant. |
| 02:08.08 | abrotman | wsjunior: for gnome-panel ? |
| 02:08.18 | stew | lakez: be more specific than "doesn't work" |
| 02:08.19 | wsjunior | abrotman: unsolved deps |
| 02:08.22 | Azar | lakez: in etch security patches are different |
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| 02:08.29 | abrotman | wsjunior: gnome-session ? |
| 02:08.32 | MoonPatrol | how could one mistake "debian" for "ubuntu" they have no common keystrokes...... |
| 02:08.34 | wsjunior | abrotman: the same |
| 02:08.36 | lakez | http://pastebin.com/750372 |
| 02:08.43 | lakez | By doesn't work I mean : http://pastebin.com/750372 |
| 02:08.44 | MoonPatrol | anyway, is there a ports or package thing for debian? |
| 02:08.51 | debian | abrotman: May I ask the motivation behind the move? :) |
| 02:08.54 | MoonPatrol | or is it all done by hand |
| 02:08.59 | wsjunior | abrotman: they complain about gnome-control-center |
| 02:09.00 | abrotman | MoonPatrol: stop trolling please |
| 02:09.12 | abrotman | wsjunior: apt-cache policy gnome-control-center |
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| 02:09.40 | debian | abrotman: Just found the link nevermind. :) |
| 02:09.53 | stew | lakez: oh, there are no security updates for amd64 in testing yet (but don't worry too much there haven't been any testing security updates for any of the arches in so long that it doesn't matter) |
| 02:09.54 | abrotman | debian: like .. 30 lines up :) |
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| 02:10.02 | wsjunior | abrotman: what should it do? i just showed some info.. |
| 02:10.13 | abrotman | wsjunior: just the "available" version |
| 02:10.42 | ProphetPX | damn why is the pine code so buggy? I get tons of warnings - is it just my system?? |
| 02:10.51 | wsjunior | abrotman: it just say that it isnt installed and show some candidates.. |
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| 02:10.53 | abrotman | ProphetPX: wrong channel . pine isn't in debian |
| 02:10.56 | ProphetPX | trying to build it generates a flood of warnings |
| 02:10.58 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.59 | abrotman | ? |
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| 02:11.00 | ProphetPX | i know! |
| 02:11.05 | wsjunior | abrotman: exactly |
| 02:11.13 | ProphetPX | i know, i am building source |
| 02:11.22 | lakez | how the hell did i get etch :() |
| 02:11.29 | lakez | heh this sux |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | wsjunior: and when you try to install gnome-control-center .. what's the error ? |
| 02:11.39 | debian | abrotman: well, I'm stil puzzle, do we need to rereg? |
| 02:11.43 | wsjunior | abrotman: let me see.. |
| 02:11.47 | abrotman | debian: yes |
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| 02:11.51 | lakez | I must have selected etch with the net installer |
| 02:11.55 | ProphetPX | i was just wondering how come building source for it, puts out so many warnings |
| 02:11.55 | abrotman | debian: but there are no hostmasks afaik |
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| 02:12.09 | Azar | lakez: one thing leads to another: maybe because etch kernel series cover better the amd64 |
| 02:12.11 | wsjunior | abrotman: complains about xlibs |
| 02:12.23 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 02:12.41 | wsjunior | abrotman: and when i try to install xlibs it says that there isnt candidates |
| 02:12.41 | abrotman | and when you try to install xlibs? |
| 02:12.43 | debian | abrotman: no hostmask is one thing, but do we need to get our own nick? |
| 02:13.14 | abrotman | wsjunior: because it's been removed .. you could probably get it from snapshot.debian.net .. but it would probably create a whole new mess |
| 02:13.23 | abrotman | wsjunior: i bet if you wait a day or two .. you'll be able to get it |
| 02:13.36 | abrotman | !why is gnome-panel not in testing |
| 02:13.37 | dpkg | gnome-panel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnome-panel |
| 02:14.12 | wsjunior | abrotman: actually i'm using unstable |
| 02:14.15 | secher | !beer abrotman for being so all fired knowledgable. |
| 02:14.18 | jhenn | stew: abrotman thanks for clearing that up. almost lost faith in debian :( |
| 02:14.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:14.38 | abrotman | jhenn: now tell your friend he owes you a beer |
| 02:14.43 | wsjunior | abrotman: but kde works flawlessly... |
| 02:14.43 | abrotman | wsjunior: really? |
| 02:14.47 | lakez | isn't etch final coming out like tomorrow ? |
| 02:14.49 | abrotman | no |
| 02:14.51 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 02:14.52 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00015.html |
| 02:14.52 | wsjunior | abrotman: yes |
| 02:15.01 | abrotman | wsjunior: let me see your source line |
| 02:15.08 | sid | !wir |
| 02:15.08 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 02:15.18 | wsjunior | abrotman: cant copy and paste with my touchpad :( |
| 02:15.36 | jhenn | abrotman: don't drink but i would like some tasty fair trade coffee :) |
| 02:15.46 | abrotman | wsjunior: are you ircing from the machine ? |
| 02:15.50 | abrotman | jhenn: oh ok |
| 02:15.57 | secher | abrotman: that was from me, hoser. |
| 02:16.07 | wsjunior | abrotman: ya im using irssi at the console |
| 02:16.10 | abrotman | secher: beer! |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | wsjunior: /j #flood |
| 02:17.09 | abrotman | wsjunior: ok .. i have no idea why something in sid wants xlibs |
| 02:17.11 | caracal | bleh, the sources.list line given on that snapshot line is not functional ... i guess i knew it wouldn't be just by looking at it |
| 02:17.14 | abrotman | wsjunior: make sure you run apt-get update first |
| 02:17.14 | secher | abrotman: I won't crash this truck eh, it's a beer truck. |
| 02:17.22 | abrotman | secher: sly fox beer? |
| 02:17.33 | caracal | but i think i can grab the individual .deb files, and hassle with the dependencies manually |
| 02:18.01 | wsjunior | abrotman: i did |
| 02:18.03 | secher | abrotman: Damn, I'm in Ardmore tonight. How is it we live all of 10 minutes from each other and never got together for a brew???? |
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| 02:18.25 | Celeste | hi |
| 02:18.36 | abrotman | secher: because you don't like me |
| 02:18.47 | Celeste | what is the correctest way to open a USB Stick which is not in /mnt and /media _ |
| 02:18.50 | _ericb | is there a way to tell gpg to import from stdin ? |
| 02:18.57 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:19.04 | GeorgeS069 | lol....everyone here from philly area? |
| 02:19.07 | Celeste | &j |
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| 02:19.32 | abrotman | wsjunior: i don't undestand why stuff still depends on xlibs! |
| 02:19.40 | secher | abrotman: is ok, you'll come into the city when I get my apartment there and we'll do an up-and-down of the Irish pubs in Center City. Oh, yeah, right, that's why I always go out of my way to stop in and say 'Hi'. What's the factoid for getting the gpg key for apt-get? |
| 02:19.50 | abrotman | wsjunior: you can try grabbing xlibs from snapshot.d.n |
| 02:19.53 | wsjunior | abrotman: are u using unstable too? |
| 02:19.56 | abrotman | wsjunior: but it might make other problems |
| 02:19.58 | abrotman | wsjunior: etch |
| 02:20.04 | scorn | Just upgrade to 2.6.15 and like I've seen in a lot of posts, my system is failing to boot. What appears to be different with my system is that udev is up to date. It appears as though it might not be starting for some reason. If I let the "Waiting for root filesystem" time out, and then manually load the ide-* modules, my drives are fine, the modules are just failing to load during startup. |
| 02:20.13 | secher | wsjunior: abrotman already /is/ unstable, he needs no help. |
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| 02:20.15 | abrotman | !tell secher about apt-get 234234 |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | !tell secher about apt-key 23421342 |
| 02:20.24 | wsjunior | secher: lol |
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| 02:20.46 | wsjunior | abrotman: i know.. thats odd.. it was so easy to install kde |
| 02:20.53 | scorn | just upgraded, sorry. |
| 02:21.22 | abrotman | wsjunior: so kde works just fine? |
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| 02:21.37 | wsjunior | abrotman: ya. but i would like to have gnome :( |
| 02:22.14 | scorn | anyone found a fix for this? |
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| 02:22.25 | wsjunior | abrotman: it is running kde 3.5.3 |
| 02:22.29 | caracal | i must say, i've been using the debian testing distro for some years now, and this is the first instance of "major" breakage i've encountered ... had a few minor bumps, but overall, this is an impressive record (and yes, i knew the risks, took them anyway) |
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| 02:22.49 | abrotman | wsjunior: i'm guessing gnome2.14 is still flowing in |
| 02:23.06 | stew | scorn: which initrd creator was used when you installed the kernel package? initramfs-tools or yaird? |
| 02:23.21 | abrotman | HOLY CRAP LIONS! |
| 02:23.30 | caracal | and in all fairness, the hardware i'm using is, um, rather outdated, so i guess it's not surprising that there's been no real hue and cry over it |
| 02:23.35 | scorn | stew: I believe initramfs-tools, but how would I check this? |
| 02:24.06 | Godfrey | Hi... does anyone have any experience in getting an Aladdin USB Hasp to work in Debian (especially the WineHASP driver)? |
| 02:24.25 | wsjunior | abrotman: kdm and gdm works when i type but how to run one of them automatically? |
| 02:24.32 | stew | scorn: see which of initramfs-tools or yaird is installed. if both are, i'm not sure which will be used. i'd check the bts for whichever you are using, and possibly try the other |
| 02:24.38 | wsjunior | abrotman: should i configure inittab? |
| 02:24.55 | abrotman | wsjunior: they should on thier own |
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| 02:25.03 | Epilog | what do I need to change in order to have my win keys working? |
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| 02:25.32 | wsjunior | abrotman: how do i switch between them to select the default? |
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| 02:25.46 | scorn | initramfs-tools |
| 02:25.48 | caracal | epilog: i use mine via xmodmap, but that may not be the best solution |
| 02:26.01 | scorn | stew: yaird isn't installed, initramfs-tools is. |
| 02:26.03 | abrotman | wsjunior: dpkg-reconfigure <oneofthem> |
| 02:26.05 | rrk | anyone around to help with an apt problem -- unmet dependentcys |
| 02:26.12 | wsjunior | abrotman: what about ati? my laptop has a ati x200. |
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| 02:26.56 | toothpick | If I make a debootstrap environment and then add a kernel how do I tell grub to boot to it? It is on /dev/hda1 |
| 02:27.06 | abrotman | wsjunior: /msg dpkg ati |
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| 02:27.14 | wsjunior | abrotman: lol. are u the oracle? |
| 02:27.18 | scorn | stew: so I suppose the answer to your question is, initramfs-tools was used. |
| 02:27.18 | lakez | is there any corporate entity behind debian or is it just a collection of slick guys together with a common view ? |
| 02:27.25 | abrotman | wsjunior: no .. why? |
| 02:27.34 | caracal | slick? <g> |
| 02:27.58 | stew | scorn: check http://bugs.debian.org/initramfs-tools for similar reports |
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| 02:28.11 | abrotman | wsjunior: though .. i think ati works with the radeon driver in X7 |
| 02:28.12 | mick_home | hey everyone, I'd like to scp/tar a large hdd to another computer, can i tar and scp at the same time? I don't have enough harddrive space to hold the uncompressed data on the new box, and the harddrive on the old box has next to no space free |
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| 02:28.16 | abrotman | erm .. the x200 |
| 02:28.28 | stew | mick_home: why not use rsync? |
| 02:28.57 | mick_home | can i tar it when i use rsync? |
| 02:29.17 | stew | mick_home: you just want to end up with a tarball on the other side? |
| 02:29.23 | mick_home | i know that i can encrypt and compress the stream... but i don't think that i can create a tarball |
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| 02:29.43 | mick_home | stew: yes, a compressed tarball (-j) |
| 02:29.47 | CHodapp | mick_home, you can try using netcat - tar/gzip and pipe it to netcat |
| 02:30.09 | mick_home | CHodapp: oh ya? |
| 02:30.10 | rrk | thats faster |
| 02:30.16 | mick_home | i never even thought of that |
| 02:30.38 | stew | mick_home: "tar cjf - /path/to/stuff/to/tar | ssh user@remotehost cat \> /path/to/remote.tar.bz2" note that its \> not > |
| 02:30.38 | CHodapp | mick_home, me neither, until some people in some random channel told me I could do it after I found out I couldn't pipe with scp or rsync or whatever |
| 02:30.50 | CHodapp | you can pipe with ssh? |
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| 02:31.21 | mick_home | stew: cool |
| 02:31.29 | mick_home | i'll try that |
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| 02:31.40 | mick_home | if that doesn't work, then i'll try nc |
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| 02:32.31 | caracal | oh man, if this works, i'll plotz |
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| 02:35.29 | caracal | well then |
| 02:35.41 | ProphetPX | what's plotz? lol |
| 02:35.57 | GeorgeS069 | :) |
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| 02:36.15 | caracal | prophetpx: it's what i'm doing right now <g> |
| 02:36.53 | ProphetPX | lol |
| 02:37.10 | caracal | i just downgraded a major package, using a couple of deb files i found on some site i'd never heard of before, and ... it worked! |
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| 02:37.26 | abrotman | oh yeah .. good plan |
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| 02:38.25 | caracal | so that's the solution for matrox users having the problem i was having: downgrade xorg from 6.9.0 to 6.8.2 and wait until 7.x is truly ready |
| 02:38.25 | caracal | abrotman: yeah, sounds risky, i know ... but desperate times and all that |
| 02:38.39 | ProphetPX | hmm |
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| 02:38.56 | caracal | my system was pretty much useless for my needs as it was |
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| 02:39.18 | caracal | i mean, it's useful enough without X, but ... sigh ... another case of "thank you, Bill @#*&!^@*$ Gates" |
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| 02:39.54 | milestone | hi all |
| 02:40.13 | caracal | my employer is a windows shop, and they've caught a bad case of the security heebie-jeebies, so they force us to use a windows-only VPN to access the corporate network ... so i must have X to run vmware so i can run their stoopid VPN software |
| 02:40.17 | milestone | i am trying to get linux-iscsi up and running on my debian sarge box |
| 02:40.25 | caracal | not that anyone cared |
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| 02:40.39 | abrotman | caracal: how is it windows-only vpn ? |
| 02:40.40 | ProphetPX | how do i auth a non-root acct so that it can startx w/ xorg? |
| 02:41.01 | caracal | but if anybody else comes in here as i did, whining that their matrox g4xx/5xx card no longer works under x.org, tell them to downgrade to 6.8.2 |
| 02:41.05 | milestone | but upon startup of iscsi i keep getting iSCSI session ioctl failed for iqn.1992-05.com.emc:ck2000609000530000-2, Inappropriate ioctl for device: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 02:41.14 | ProphetPX | heh |
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| 02:41.28 | milestone | can anyone shed some light into my knowledge and tell me what this error means |
| 02:41.29 | abrotman | caracal: from what i've seen .. most of the VPN systems have some client for linux |
| 02:41.30 | milestone | ? |
| 02:41.39 | caracal | abrotman: um, in the same way that, for example, photoshop is windows-only |
| 02:41.48 | abrotman | caracal: you're being vague! |
| 02:42.02 | caracal | you haven't seen our corporate mungning of the nortel VPN client that we must use |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | there's no nortel linux vpn client ? |
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| 02:42.25 | caracal | believe me, if there were a linux way to get in, i'd be using it |
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| 02:43.09 | caracal | there may be a nortel VPN client for linux, yes ... but there's no linux version of my employer's silly wrapper for it, that negotiates the setup |
| 02:43.23 | caracal | they proudly proclaim "we're a windows shop now!" |
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| 02:43.32 | CHodapp | losers. |
| 02:43.42 | abrotman | caracal: may i recommend a virus-laden USB stick? |
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| 02:43.48 | caracal | to get to my desk, i have to walk under a three-meter banner that says "Microsoft Certified Solution Provider" |
| 02:43.53 | caracal | i almost hurl every day |
| 02:43.56 | cheal | hehe |
| 02:44.18 | cheal | !comfort caracal |
| 02:44.19 | dpkg | There, there, caracal. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:44.19 | rrk | ssh tunnels work wonders |
| 02:44.25 | CHodapp | I worked at a grocery for awhile. They ran Win2K on their point of sale terminals - these would have a tendency to crash, and they took 10 minutes to boot. And the people who were in charge of them could never get all the systems to match up - they couldn't just run them as thin clients, they had to all have separate software. |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | caracal: at least you don't have to walk under your nekkid boss! |
| 02:44.33 | rolo | i cant get my sound to work |
| 02:44.42 | CHodapp | At one point, they upgraded it and then credit cards did not work for 9 hours. Customers were quite pissed. |
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| 02:44.47 | caracal | abrotman: oh, i don't for a minute think that they're getting real security from all their ignorant "security" measures ... like blocking ssh through their firewall |
| 02:44.59 | caracal | but at least they seem to be getting an *illusion* of security |
| 02:45.03 | rolo | alsaconf just says he couldnt find any drivers, but before the blue screen shows, i can read something like modprobe -snd module not found |
| 02:45.30 | caracal | at one time, i set up an sshd on port 443, which they do not block ... that worked for a day, then i think they set a content filter on their router or something, cuz it stopped working |
| 02:45.34 | liable | rolo: you have a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 02:45.48 | CHodapp | caracal, I got a book used, and it had a card as a bookmark. This card was from a military installation, and it said "We were at your PC, and discovered you had a password set on your screen saver... thank you for being security conscious!" |
| 02:45.50 | rolo | no , its 2,4 |
| 02:46.01 | caracal | they are the most frightened bunch of sheep i've ever seen |
| 02:46.06 | liable | rolo: then you need the 2.4 alsa-modules package |
| 02:46.10 | abrotman | !tell rolo about alsa 2.4 |
| 02:46.11 | CHodapp | you know what you need to do. |
| 02:46.16 | CHodapp | HACK HACK HACK |
| 02:46.18 | ProphetPX | lol |
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| 02:46.24 | abrotman | rolo: in general .. it's easier to go to 2.6 |
| 02:46.28 | caracal | chodapp: yeah, i think if i sold company secrets to osama bin laden, i'd get an award ... *if* i made a profit on the sale <g> |
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| 02:46.52 | caracal | anyway, i now have X, so i'm going to drop this sirc and lurk using xchat like i usually do |
| 02:47.00 | milestone | any help is highjly appreciated |
| 02:47.03 | rolo | abrotman, but i would need to install debian all over again right ? |
| 02:47.20 | abrotman | rolo: no .. which version of debian are you using ? |
| 02:47.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: like you know .. you work at a 7-11 |
| 02:47.38 | jetscreamer | i wish |
| 02:47.40 | ProphetPX | how do i auth a non-root acct so that it can startx w/ xorg? |
| 02:47.41 | rolo | sarge |
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| 02:47.49 | abrotman | jetscreamer: eww .. a quikmart? |
| 02:47.56 | jetscreamer | quikiemart |
| 02:47.56 | abrotman | rolo: what CPU ? |
| 02:48.11 | jetscreamer | i sell slushies |
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| 02:48.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i think you've been testing too much product .. brain freeze seems to be slowing you down |
| 02:48.37 | caracal | well then there now |
| 02:48.38 | rolo | its a celeron |
| 02:48.52 | abrotman | rolo: is this a remote system? |
| 02:48.57 | rolo | no |
| 02:48.59 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:49.08 | abrotman | rolo: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:49.21 | jetscreamer | you're right abrotman. the point of being in business is to go broke slowly trying to do the right thing. |
| 02:49.26 | dendrite | Hmmm... squid gets 403, but wget downloads Packages.gz, etc. from http://ftp.us.debian.org... /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf has the line Acquire::http::Proxy "http://vorpal:3128"; Any ideas why squid is getting blocked? |
| 02:49.42 | rolo | easy as that huh? and what about other programs i have installed like firefox, and such ... will they work? |
| 02:49.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: so what is SGI's excuse :) |
| 02:49.46 | jetscreamer | !lart me |
| 02:49.49 | rolo | on the 2.6? or i have to install again |
| 02:49.51 | abrotman | rolo: one would hope so |
| 02:50.03 | rolo | abrotman: lol me too |
| 02:50.16 | jetscreamer | well not much |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | i would .. if she's cute |
| 02:50.42 | rolo | abrotman , can i run that apt-get from kde ? |
| 02:50.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:50.57 | abrotman | from kterminal or whatever |
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| 02:51.24 | rolo | and then reboot? |
| 02:51.33 | abrotman | don't forget to pray |
| 02:51.43 | rolo | lol ohh yea! |
| 02:51.44 | jetscreamer | !pray for rolo's success |
| 02:51.48 | jetscreamer | dammit |
| 02:51.56 | rolo | there it goes 25% |
| 02:52.00 | abrotman | !bless jetscreamer |
| 02:52.01 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child jetscreamer, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:52.15 | rolo | lmaoooooooooooooo |
| 02:52.16 | jetscreamer | gehseundeit |
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| 02:52.29 | ProphetPX | rofl |
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| 02:53.04 | jetscreamer | hey look it's my dog |
| 02:53.10 | poopybutt | what is the difference between install-radeon and fglrx? |
| 02:53.18 | jetscreamer | no i call her poopybritches nm |
| 02:53.34 | rolo | abrotman: by the way, i remember you once helped me getting kmail to import pst files |
| 02:53.43 | rolo | i think there was a program to convert thos ? |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | rolo: you lie .. i never help people! |
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| 02:53.54 | rolo | hehe |
| 02:54.12 | abrotman | !info readpst |
| 02:54.18 | dpkg | readpst: (Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
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| 02:54.22 | abrotman | rolo: that? |
| 02:54.23 | ProphetPX | if yer dog wears britches I'd worry about you |
| 02:54.23 | audisam | is there any tutorial how to install and run web server (Apache, PHP, MySql) ??? |
| 02:54.27 | rolo | right, ty! |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:54.39 | abrotman | audisam: really? |
| 02:54.39 | eggzeck | audisam: that's pretty trivial |
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| 02:54.59 | rolo | hmm, the apt-get is done |
| 02:54.59 | dendrite | any squid clues here? squid newly seems to get 403 from http://ftp.us.debian.org... |
| 02:55.00 | abrotman | audisam: apt-get install php4-mysql libapach2-mod-php4 mysql-server |
| 02:55.01 | eggzeck | audisam: apt-get install apache2 apache2-common |
| 02:55.02 | rolo | do i need to reboot ? |
| 02:55.10 | rrk | audisam there is on debian admin |
| 02:55.10 | abrotman | eggzeck: i so won! |
| 02:55.21 | ProphetPX | lol |
| 02:55.23 | abrotman | rolo: don't forget to pray |
| 02:55.29 | eggzeck | abrotman: did not, you forgot the server! haha |
| 02:55.44 | rolo | yes, but i need to reboot ? |
| 02:55.46 | poopybutt | what is the difference between install-radeon and fglrx ? |
| 02:55.49 | abrotman | eggzeck: no .. i didn't |
| 02:55.50 | GeorgeS069 | good night folks...save me a Lager abrotman |
| 02:55.54 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:56.08 | rolo | !bless rolo |
| 02:56.09 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child rolo, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:56.11 | abrotman | though i did misspell libapache-mod-php4 |
| 02:56.15 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:56.16 | eggzeck | abortman: yes you did, those will only install extra package apache2-common, which is not the server itself |
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| 02:56.17 | abrotman | though i did misspell libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 02:56.35 | abrotman | !depends libapache2-mod-php4 sarge |
| 02:56.40 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php4: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libkrb53 (>= 1.3.2), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.7, libzzip-0-12 (>= 0.12.83), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mime-support (>= 2.03-1), apache2-mpm-prefork (>> 2.0.52), php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-16), libmagic1 |
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| 02:56.50 | abrotman | !win me |
| 02:56.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 02:57.20 | ic3man05 | does anybody here know how to start another xorg session? |
| 02:57.32 | poopybutt | restart xorg? |
| 02:57.34 | ic3man05 | so alt+cntrl+f8 switches to it |
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| 02:57.43 | dendrite | rolo: Did you update the kernel, or glibc? Those are the two main reasons I reboot... |
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| 02:58.00 | abrotman | ic3man05: in gnome .. there's a shortcut |
| 02:58.11 | ic3man05 | abrotman: where is it located at? |
| 02:58.19 | abrotman | under system tools for me |
| 02:58.26 | abrotman | (i'm on etch though) |
| 02:58.31 | abrotman | dendrite: kernel |
| 02:58.32 | ic3man05 | abrotman: I want to lanch ut2004 in it |
| 02:58.36 | ic3man05 | so I can switch out |
| 02:58.46 | abrotman | i'd run ut2004 in xnest .. for sure |
| 02:58.47 | dendrite | ic3man05: Then after you are sure your boot loader is sane, you will need to reboot. |
| 02:58.56 | abrotman | dendrite: wrong person |
| 02:59.03 | dendrite | argh. |
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| 02:59.46 | dendrite | Ah, rolo left, and no ideas on why my tab completion came up with ic3man05 ... :-/ |
| 02:59.49 | abrotman | well .. rolo didn't curse at me yet |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | oh .. he did |
| 03:00.06 | ic3man05 | abrotman: thanks, is there a way I can setup a desktop shortcut to do that and just launch ut2004 with no wm? |
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| 03:00.22 | abrotman | ic3man05: nfc .. i don't play ut2004 |
| 03:00.27 | jasta_ | is there a current problem with KDE and the AMD64 port of etch? Many KDE packages seem to have unmet dependencies for packages that are not available? |
| 03:00.31 | dendrite | abrotman: lilo or grub? Either way, I like to double-check things... *shrug* |
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| 03:00.39 | abrotman | dendrite: he didn't tell me |
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| 03:00.45 | abrotman | jasta_: it's etch .. that happens |
| 03:00.46 | jasta_ | Is it supposed to work otherwise or is this a well known problem? |
| 03:00.55 | ic3man05 | abrotman: ah oh well this is a good workaround for now, wish I was just able to alt+tab like windows |
| 03:01.02 | dendrite | abrotman: You wouldn't happen to know why squid would start getting a 403 from debian servers, would you? |
| 03:01.22 | jasta_ | abrotman: So this is not particular to the architecture then? |
| 03:01.26 | abrotman | dendrite: isn't that .. forbidden ? |
| 03:01.43 | abrotman | jasta_: not even close |
| 03:01.44 | dendrite | abrotman: Um, do you have any doc links I can read? |
| 03:01.51 | abrotman | dendrite: about squid? |
| 03:02.00 | dendrite | abrotman: Oh, yeah, it is. |
| 03:02.03 | jasta_ | abrotman: Thank god. I'll happily proceed with a sarge installation then. |
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| 03:02.06 | abrotman | dendrite: can you get them not via proxy? |
| 03:02.06 | dendrite | but wget on the squid host works fine. |
| 03:02.12 | abrotman | jasta_: eh .. ok |
| 03:02.14 | rolo | it worked ! all working |
| 03:02.16 | abrotman | rolo: we do good? |
| 03:02.17 | jasta_ | (I'm currently running a very busted etch netinst *grin*) |
| 03:02.19 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:02.25 | rolo | is it just me, or this makes pc work faster? |
| 03:02.27 | abrotman | jasta_: yeah .. it happens |
| 03:02.30 | dendrite | abrotman: wget on the squid host works, and removing the proxy line from apt conf works. |
| 03:02.31 | abrotman | rolo: depends on the computer |
| 03:02.44 | rolo | i see computer working faster |
| 03:02.47 | abrotman | dendrite: i've never worked with squid ... |
| 03:03.02 | abrotman | dendrite: you can't wget directly from the client ? |
| 03:03.08 | dendrite | abrotman: Ah, OK. I changed out my router, that's the only difference that I know of. |
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| 03:03.16 | rolo | whats the AppleTak services my pc starts when bootin ? are they necessary ? can i remove them , or stop them from running at boot ? |
| 03:03.20 | abrotman | dendrite: that might be important :) |
| 03:03.28 | ProphetPX | yeah rolo i removed mine |
| 03:03.32 | jasta_ | abrotman: *concern* sarge is not an option for me on amd64 is it? |
| 03:03.33 | dendrite | abrotman: yes, that's why I mentioned it. |
| 03:03.39 | abrotman | !tell jasta_ about amd64 |
| 03:03.46 | dendrite | abrotman: Though I don't have any content filtering enabled. |
| 03:03.50 | abrotman | dendrite: put your old router back |
| 03:03.53 | ProphetPX | dpkg -r netatalk ? |
| 03:03.55 | rolo | ProphetPX: how you did it ? |
| 03:04.00 | ProphetPX | ha |
| 03:04.03 | ProphetPX | ^^^^ |
| 03:04.10 | dendrite | abrotman: I will try that if I have to, it's an obvioud thing to try to diagnose... |
| 03:04.15 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 03:04.16 | jasta_ | abrotman: Thank you. |
| 03:04.35 | ProphetPX | rolo: dpkg -r netatalk |
| 03:04.46 | abrotman | jasta_: you're welcom |
| 03:04.49 | rolo | what are they for, before i remove them ? |
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| 03:04.52 | mynullvoid | hi guys |
| 03:04.53 | abrotman | bah .. keyboards suck |
| 03:04.57 | ProphetPX | !dpkg netatalk |
| 03:05.02 | ProphetPX | dangit |
| 03:05.03 | abrotman | !appletalk |
| 03:05.06 | ProphetPX | lol |
| 03:05.10 | abrotman | see .. that means noone cares |
| 03:05.10 | ProphetPX | erm ... |
| 03:05.13 | ProphetPX | lmao |
| 03:05.14 | abrotman | !info netatalk |
| 03:05.18 | dendrite | Hmm... I wonder if dd-wrt + squid + debian would find anything... |
| 03:05.20 | dpkg | netatalk: (AppleTalk user binaries), section net, is extra. Version: 2.0.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 693 kB, Installed size: 1788 kB |
| 03:05.33 | rolo | right, what are they for ? |
| 03:05.37 | ProphetPX | Netatalk is an implementation of the AppleTalk Protocol Suite for |
| 03:05.37 | ProphetPX | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.37 | ProphetPX | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.39 | ProphetPX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:05.40 | abrotman | appletalk networks |
| 03:06.08 | rolo | i think if i dont know what they are i dont need it , right ?? |
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| 03:06.14 | ProphetPX | ooops sorry lol |
| 03:06.16 | mynullvoid | when I want to change my /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to control my font dpi in X, I cant find the line command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X as the note I am refering to, I need to add: append -dpi 75 |
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| 03:06.24 | ProphetPX | me no think, me go boom |
| 03:06.33 | scion515 | sup guyz |
| 03:07.00 | scion515 | how are you |
| 03:07.00 | dpkg | just great, scion515 |
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| 03:07.13 | scion515 | mah first time here |
| 03:07.14 | scion515 | lol |
| 03:07.17 | ProphetPX | rolo they are just proprietary drivers+tools to talk to Apple computers |
| 03:07.19 | scion515 | using colinux |
| 03:07.34 | scion515 | works good! |
| 03:07.34 | mynullvoid | abroatman: any idea? |
| 03:07.35 | ProphetPX | optional and not even needed unless you need em |
| 03:07.49 | rolo | they are gone ! hehe ;) |
| 03:07.51 | scion515 | i am off |
| 03:07.53 | scion515 | g2g |
| 03:07.57 | ProphetPX | yay |
| 03:08.07 | mynullvoid | where shall I add: append -dpi 75 in my /etc/gdm/gdm.conf? |
| 03:08.57 | rolo | abrotman: one more thing, when i rebooted, my grub loader, showed me the debian 2.4 and debian 2.6 , and the windows boot |
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| 03:09.13 | rolo | do i need the debian 2.4 ? can i remove it and how ? |
| 03:09.23 | ProphetPX | that's the kernel 2.4 |
| 03:09.29 | rolo | right |
| 03:09.34 | dendrite | rolo: Keep your 2.4 kernel until you're *certain* that 2.6 is working sanely. |
| 03:09.36 | ProphetPX | remove from grub or packages? |
| 03:09.53 | ice_1963 | remove --purge |
| 03:10.00 | rolo | good idea dendrite |
| 03:10.11 | rolo | prophetX: i meant both if its cool |
| 03:10.14 | ProphetPX | 2.4.27 is latest? |
| 03:10.23 | rolo | i just installed 2.6 |
| 03:10.38 | dendrite | rolo: But when you do remove, you'd use dpkg purge, as ice_1963 suggested. |
| 03:10.56 | rolo | just that? or i need to put other parameters ? |
| 03:11.01 | rolo | i mean arguments ? |
| 03:11.10 | ProphetPX | dpkg -P kernel_name2.x |
| 03:11.25 | dendrite | rolo: Read the man pages. |
| 03:11.29 | ice_1963 | dpkg? what |
| 03:11.36 | ProphetPX | lol not the bot |
| 03:11.46 | dendrite | rolo: Get comfy with man pages *and* your package management tools, and you'll be way ahead of the game. |
| 03:12.09 | rolo | dendrite: ty, im on that process |
| 03:12.35 | jasta | *grumble*, i need etch to work :) |
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| 03:16.02 | evaded | !dpi |
| 03:16.03 | dpkg | from memory, dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 03:16.14 | evaded | mynullvoid: ^^ |
| 03:17.27 | evaded | 11 years that that f*cking Microsoft Internet Explorer could not read the transparency of an PNG. Sad sad sad! |
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| 03:17.54 | spchwk | it just wont |
| 03:17.56 | CHodapp | evaded, At Microsoft Support, we Value Your Input(tm). Thank you. |
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| 03:18.09 | ProphetPX | lmao |
| 03:18.16 | evaded | She say, would be solved in the next version. hi hi. And i hack the whole night to try to convert png to jpg, for that biep of os :-/ |
| 03:18.32 | debian | evaded: and so much for not having tab-browsing. :) |
| 03:18.42 | mynullvoid | evaded: I am using sid - xorg |
| 03:18.50 | ProphetPX | except the MSN toolbar plugin adds tabs now (very buggy) |
| 03:19.12 | debian | well, I've enough toolbar to track my browsing behavior. :) |
| 03:19.58 | evaded | Hack the planet, okay, begin first to crack M$ ! |
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| 03:20.52 | evaded | Someone an hack to convert png images to jpeg and keeping that transparent. bbbbffff, shit of M$. |
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| 03:21.30 | debian | evaded: you must be a sad web developer |
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| 03:21.56 | evaded | debian: Yeah, i come from M$, that would be the cause. |
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| 03:22.40 | debian | evaded: you proabaly quit now, else we'd have transparence for now. :) |
| 03:22.52 | evaded | for file in *.png; do convert "$file" "${file%.png}.jpg"; done |
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| 03:23.13 | evaded | But forget it ^^ trans are of black color |
| 03:23.26 | evaded | debian: Why tell you that im and sad web developer? |
| 03:23.41 | sid | If I have two partitions, one swap and the main /... and my / is mounted as read only...am I able to ssh into my box or no? |
| 03:23.48 | debian | evaded: because you just spoke for all web developers on earth |
| 03:24.09 | debian | "when it doesn't work properly in IE, it doesn't work" |
| 03:24.21 | evaded | debian: Yeah, you're stone |
| 03:24.30 | rolo | how do i unzip a file ? |
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| 03:24.43 | debian | I'd perfer to smoke rather than being one. :) |
| 03:24.48 | ProphetPX | gunzip file |
| 03:24.50 | evaded | rolo: Look to 'unp' if you want keep it easy |
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| 03:25.10 | rolo | gunzip: June.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 03:25.16 | ProphetPX | aha |
| 03:25.18 | ProphetPX | unzip |
| 03:25.33 | rolo | that working prophet |
| 03:25.33 | dendrite | rolo: make and change into an empty directory first... |
| 03:25.34 | ProphetPX | there are 2 diff tools, unzip and gunzip. unzip is for .zip, gunzip is for .gz |
| 03:25.45 | ProphetPX | yeah what dendrite said |
| 03:25.56 | ProphetPX | heh |
| 03:26.01 | Fluten | how is a nameserver made to be not lame anymore? i am setting up dns to resolve my domain name to an ip using bind, and dnsreport tells me it's lame. |
| 03:26.09 | ProphetPX | 7zip rox too |
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| 03:26.58 | evaded | debian: I not understand why you have say it. I know png to gif. To keep that transparenty. But i know the limitation of gif in colors |
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| 03:27.53 | Ugly_Duck | any one for a game of kbattleship? |
| 03:28.08 | evaded | !tell debian -about shit |
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| 03:32.08 | debian | evaded: you don't have to be so hostile, I mean you no harm |
| 03:33.09 | Ugly_Duck | hehehe |
| 03:33.20 | evaded | debian: Sorry, i was an MB to rude to you. I had not apreciate what you told me :-/ |
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| 03:34.27 | evaded | debian: Ignore me lol, and drink beer |
| 03:34.30 | evaded | !beer |
| 03:34.30 | dpkg | [beer] liquid gold mate |
| 03:34.30 | stew | evaded: debian: please just drop it and move on |
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| 03:34.56 | debian | evaded: np |
| 03:35.04 | debian | stew: move on to what? |
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| 03:35.48 | Supaplex | something else |
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| 03:39.21 | Epilog | quit |
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| 03:42.54 | evaded | stew: hi hi, no troubles on the Usenet :-p |
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| 03:44.54 | deadcat_ | seems like lsof /dev/dsp doesnt show anything now. stupid udev? |
| 03:46.10 | jetscreamer | how dare you critisize udev. it's not deprecated yet. |
| 03:46.23 | jetscreamer | until then, love it. |
| 03:46.27 | deadcat_ | udev cause nothing but trouble |
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| 03:47.22 | deadcat_ | sounds nice |
| 03:48.01 | jetscreamer | you have to change mkinitrd to that y one |
| 03:48.13 | stew | deadcat_: what exactly is the problem? |
| 03:48.47 | deadcat_ | stew: before i can lsof /dev/dsp and it shows me some apps are using the device. now it doesnt show anything. error if i do that as normal user |
| 03:48.47 | ProphetPX | yaird |
| 03:49.01 | jetscreamer | yeah that y one |
| 03:49.06 | ProphetPX | heh |
| 03:49.17 | ProphetPX | yaird, rhymes with we-a-ird |
| 03:49.30 | jetscreamer | haired |
| 03:49.34 | ProphetPX | ha |
| 03:50.30 | stew | deadcat_: i don't get it, why is "lsof /dev/dsp" not showing anything a problem? |
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| 03:51.25 | deadcat | stew: thats not the only problem. |
| 03:51.44 | sciboy | Guys, i just did an install on my AMD64, i have a SATA and IDE drive, the SATA being where i installed root. |
| 03:51.45 | deadcat | stew: if that command dont work. whats the point of lsof then. stupid udev |
| 03:52.07 | stew | deadcat: what makes you think that lsof is not accurate? what makes you think that udev is stupid? |
| 03:52.36 | deadcat | stew: nothing. i said its stupid. |
| 03:52.50 | Johnny_5 | how do i get my webcam to work with camorama? i have a creative webcam. everytime i try to connect with camorama i get te following error: could not connect to video device (/dev/video0). please check your connection. |
| 03:53.06 | sciboy | I now get an Error loading operating system... |
| 03:53.06 | sciboy | Is grub suppose to install to hd0 on this kind of setup? |
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| 03:53.55 | debian | sciboy: you can enter the console and do a geometry |
| 03:54.16 | debian | sciboy: though it might not help you, but at least you got to see the real geometry of your disks |
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| 03:54.22 | sciboy | debian, What's that? =| |
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| 03:54.41 | debian | sciboy: at grub, press c to enter the command mode, enter geometry |
| 03:54.48 | deadcat | Johnny_5: using the ov511 driver or something? |
| 03:54.56 | debian | sciboy: wait a minute, how did you construct that grub.conf? |
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| 03:55.43 | sciboy | debian, Grub isn't loading. |
| 03:55.56 | sciboy | debian, The bios probably can't find anything to boot. |
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| 03:56.17 | stew | sciboy: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 03:56.31 | sciboy | debian, The grub i got installed is the automatic default of the etch installer. |
| 03:56.50 | debian | sciboy: that's the bios' problem not regarding your SATA as the first boot device may be |
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| 03:57.17 | ozatomic | where would i find ttf2afm package?? |
| 03:57.29 | Johnny_5 | deadcat: not sure....how do i check |
| 03:58.02 | sciboy | debian, It is setup for the SATA, but i'm thinking maybe that's not where the installer put grub. |
| 03:58.02 | deadcat | Johnny_5: online.. or just load ov511 and plug the camera in. then check dmesg, then run the camorama software again to see |
| 03:58.14 | Johnny_5 | k |
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| 03:58.23 | debian | sciboy: what installer... |
| 03:58.43 | sciboy | debian, Debian Etch Net Install |
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| 03:59.25 | debian | sciboy: ....I believe the maintainer could probably help you. |
| 03:59.36 | breakthestate | I'm using etch, and when I visit a website for my online class, a window pops up in mozilla-browser telling me that this browser is not configured to use JavaScript 1.5. I thought the etch mozilla package was configured to use JavaScript 1.5. Am I wrong? |
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| 04:00.20 | sciboy | debian, I'm going to try and go into "advanced" mode on the installer and specify where to put the bootloader. |
| 04:00.32 | dendrite | I didn't know JS had versions... |
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| 04:01.41 | debian | sciboy: where is the #debian-boot which suppose to have people answer your question? |
| 04:02.22 | Johnny_5 | deadcat: i did dmesg and all i got was a bunch of errors |
| 04:02.33 | debian | sciboy: you'd better chance getting answer in #debian-boot |
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| 04:02.51 | Johnny_5 | i'll paste it in pastebin |
| 04:02.54 | stew | sciboy: check http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer ; you might also try installing lilo instead of grub |
| 04:03.29 | breakthestate | dendrite: I'll post the error in #flood. It seems to me that this implies that there are versions of javascript. |
| 04:03.49 | Coweater | there are |
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| 04:04.21 | Coweater | mozilla released a beta for 1.5 support in 2000 from what i can find, i'm sure by now it's become part of the release |
| 04:04.53 | Johnny_5 | deadcat: http://pastebin.com/750565 |
| 04:04.57 | dendrite | breakthestate: I'm just back from a reboot (libc6 upgrade), so if you pasted in #flood before now, I missed it. Anyhow, it sounds odd. |
| 04:05.02 | Coweater | it's more likely a failure in their site's detection, probably doing something stupid like checking IE versions |
| 04:05.18 | breakthestate | that is what i was thinking |
| 04:05.18 | dendrite | breakthestate: I see that... |
| 04:05.18 | deadcat | dammit. distrowatch is 403 |
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| 04:05.28 | dendrite | breakthestate: I'm thinking maybe the web developer meant Java? |
| 04:05.32 | breakthestate | everything is fine when i use firefox |
| 04:05.34 | Coweater | breakthestate: you might try an extension like the user agent switcher and set it to IE |
| 04:05.47 | dendrite | breakthestate: Heh heh. Then use ff. :-) |
| 04:05.55 | deadcat | Johnny_5: did you load the module? then plug the camera in? |
| 04:05.56 | breakthestate | (except java crashes firefox on the class website- not java script ) |
| 04:06.08 | deadcat | Johnny_5: exactly what is the model of the camera? give us a link or something |
| 04:06.27 | deadcat | Johnny_5: that dont look like a healthy HD you have (= |
| 04:06.35 | Johnny_5 | how do you load it?? i just have it installed |
| 04:06.47 | deadcat | Johnny_5: modprobe ov511 |
| 04:06.54 | Johnny_5 | k |
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| 04:07.00 | deadcat | Johnny_5: assuming thats the module for your camera |
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| 04:07.14 | Johnny_5 | modprobe ov511 |
| 04:07.19 | Johnny_5 | oops |
| 04:07.22 | Johnny_5 | brb |
| 04:07.22 | jbroome | heh |
| 04:07.24 | redphoenix1 | hmm the i915 driver does not work anymore after the mesa upgrade i worked fine before with xorg 7 |
| 04:07.29 | breakthestate | Coweater, dendrite: I'll try user agent switcher. We'll see how it goes. Apparently, the technical requirements require that I only use Windows or Mac OSX anyways. |
| 04:08.01 | stew | !debwiki redphoenix1 Xorg69To7 |
| 04:08.01 | dpkg | redphoenix1: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 04:08.11 | dendrite | breakthestate: How lame. |
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| 04:08.34 | dendrite | breakthestate: Why not just use ff? |
| 04:08.36 | deadcat | oh my god. i am gonna return my running shorts tomorrow. (= i wore it twice hahaha |
| 04:08.36 | Johnny_5 | interesting....i don't have a hdc.... |
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| 04:08.54 | breakthestate | dendrite: I know, I was filling out my application for federal aid the other day for college, and they wouldn't let me fill it out since I was running linux. |
| 04:09.16 | breakthestate | guess they want students applying for aid to go buy XP |
| 04:09.25 | dendrite | breakthestate: They want you to waste money, apparently. |
| 04:09.35 | Johnny_5 | deadcat: i did modprobe ov511 and nothing happened |
| 04:09.44 | deadcat | breakthestate: ya i kno what you mean.. |
| 04:09.59 | breakthestate | dendrite: ff works ok, except when I post a message using the java text editor the class uses, it crashes. the submit still goes through, but i have to restart firefox. |
| 04:10.07 | deadcat | Johnny_5: then that camera is not using ov511. like i said many times. What is the camera model? |
| 04:10.13 | redphoenix1 | stew, i know i have my own modules |
| 04:10.36 | redphoenix1 | i know its not there but a new mesa was installed and the snapshots i was using dont work with the mesa upgrade |
| 04:10.48 | dendrite | breakthestate: Ugh. This is starting to sound like the class that puts "ass" in "class." |
| 04:11.07 | breakthestate | he |
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| 04:11.39 | Johnny_5 | deadcat: creative....i guess a creative webcam instant....that's all i can see as far as model names goes |
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| 04:11.48 | dendrite | breakthestate: From what I've seen, quite a bit of courseware is pure crap... |
| 04:11.50 | deadcat | Johnny_5: cant help you then |
| 04:11.56 | Johnny_5 | ?? |
| 04:12.01 | stew | redphoenix1: right, the bug listed there tells you where to get working snapshots iirc |
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| 04:12.09 | dendrite | Johnny_5: USB? |
| 04:12.16 | deadcat | Johnny_5: not enough info. find it online and show us a link |
| 04:12.17 | redphoenix1 | i have the latest snapshot |
| 04:12.25 | stew | redphoenix1: exactly, that is the problem |
| 04:12.34 | Johnny_5 | the model # is vf0040bp and yes it is usb |
| 04:12.35 | redphoenix1 | ??? |
| 04:12.37 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 04:12.44 | breakthestate | dendrite: yeah, as far as i can tell, some of these "technical requirements" are just the server blocking you b/c of your OS or browser type. |
| 04:12.56 | deadcat | Johnny_5: nothing found online |
| 04:12.56 | breakthestate | brb |
| 04:13.09 | redphoenix1 | so the working snapshot is not the latest 1? |
| 04:13.17 | redphoenix1 | from that same website |
| 04:13.18 | dendrite | breakthestate: It's just web developers that should be dunked. |
| 04:13.29 | stew | redphoenix1: i'm not sure, did you check the bug listed in the Xorg69To7 page? |
| 04:13.39 | dendrite | Johnny_5: What does 'lsusb' say about the device? |
| 04:13.52 | deadcat | Johnny_5: looks like time to get a new webcam (= |
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| 04:14.16 | Johnny_5 | is it ok if i just paste the link in here? |
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| 04:14.51 | stew | redphoenix1: i was under the impression that the fix was to use older drivers for i915 |
| 04:15.05 | Johnny_5 | http://creative.com/products/product.asp?category=218&subcategory=219&product=10410 |
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| 04:15.30 | redphoenix1 | hmm ok i will use an older snapshot |
| 04:15.56 | Johnny_5 | deadcat: Device 002: ID 041e:4034 Creative Technology, Ltd |
| 04:16.36 | dendrite | Johnny_5: Looks like spca5xx is the module you need. |
| 04:16.41 | deadcat | Johnny_5: http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php |
| 04:16.55 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 04:17.02 | dendrite | Johnny_5: try modprobe spca5xx |
| 04:17.07 | Johnny_5 | k |
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| 04:18.22 | Johnny_5 | deadcat: FATAL: Module spca5xx not found. |
| 04:18.25 | dendrite | Johnny_5: What kernel are you running? |
| 04:18.32 | Johnny_5 | 2.6.8 |
| 04:19.01 | dendrite | Johnny_5: How did you install that kernel? |
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| 04:19.14 | ProphetPX | hey i found that driver the other day, the spca5xx one |
| 04:19.21 | ProphetPX | i forgot what page it was on, somewhere on sf |
| 04:19.30 | dendrite | ProphetPX: It's in apt. |
| 04:19.34 | ProphetPX | my Logitech ClickSmart 420 uses it |
| 04:19.37 | ProphetPX | oh |
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| 04:20.06 | ProphetPX | in apt under what nme then? |
| 04:20.25 | dendrite | Johnny_5: You can apt-get the module if you are running a stock kernel. I guess maybe spca5xx-modules-2.6-686 would do it, but I'm not certain if 2.6.8 is the kernel in 2.6... |
| 04:20.26 | Johnny_5 | apt-get installed the kernel image |
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| 04:21.06 | dendrite | Johnny_5: You running on a Pentium or similar? |
| 04:21.12 | Johnny_5 | amd |
| 04:21.31 | Johnny_5 | dendrite: amd athlon |
| 04:22.16 | dendrite | Try apt-get install spca5xx-modules-2.6-k7 ... |
| 04:22.19 | deadcat | Johnny_5: i didnt tell you to load that. |
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| 04:23.15 | Johnny_5 | deadcat: load what? sorry i'm kinda confused... |
| 04:23.56 | deadcat | Johnny_5: i didnt tell you to load that module. check the website.. i think thats what the driver is for your camera |
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| 04:24.04 | Johnny_5 | dendrite: that would work even tough my proccessor is an athlon? |
| 04:24.18 | dendrite | Johnny_5: k7 == athlon. |
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| 04:24.39 | Johnny_5 | dendrite: ah....didn't know that |
| 04:25.19 | cunakya | can somebody point me towards a free disk backup program? |
| 04:25.28 | dendrite | Johnny_5: What flavor of Debian are you running? |
| 04:25.42 | Johnny_5 | sarge |
| 04:25.46 | dendrite | spca5xx doesn't appear to be in sarge. |
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| 04:26.20 | dendrite | Johnny_5: So, you can rebuild your kernel to add support. |
| 04:27.01 | dendrite | Johnny_5: Or, search the web to see if someone has built a spca5xx package for your kernel in sarge... |
| 04:27.10 | Johnny_5 | k |
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| 04:28.04 | ProphetPX | well it's in the other branches |
| 04:28.10 | ProphetPX | i found it in ara |
| 04:28.22 | ProphetPX | just dl the source from the sf site and build it |
| 04:28.25 | dendrite | ProphetPX: Yeah, it's in sid. |
| 04:28.28 | ProphetPX | ah |
| 04:28.48 | dendrite | that reminds, where can I go to read about what unstable and all are called now? Or, is unstable still sid? |
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| 04:29.18 | dendrite | Or, should I just go and rent _Toy_Story_ ? ;-) |
| 04:29.29 | ProphetPX | hahahaa |
| 04:29.46 | ProphetPX | did buzz ever come out? lol |
| 04:29.54 | ProphetPX | debian: To Infinity and Beyond! |
| 04:30.00 | Noborusan | I thought mod_gzip is available via apt-get install |
| 04:30.48 | ProphetPX | try searching in ara for that name |
| 04:30.54 | ProphetPX | ara -i to get a cli |
| 04:31.08 | ProphetPX | or even apt-cache search _____ |
| 04:31.37 | Noboru | yea |
| 04:32.11 | dendrite | Ah. "Sid is the permanent name for the unstable distribution" |
| 04:32.26 | sussudio | !buzz |
| 04:32.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, buzz is Debian 1.1, released June 1996 (474 packages, 2.0 kernel, fully ELF, dpkg) |
| 04:32.28 | ProphetPX | permanent, that is, until Sid becomes table lol |
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| 04:32.33 | ProphetPX | oh |
| 04:32.38 | ProphetPX | er stable loll |
| 04:32.42 | sussudio | !lol |
| 04:32.42 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 04:32.43 | dendrite | Next stable is etch. |
| 04:32.49 | dondelelcaro | sid won't ever become stable |
| 04:32.54 | ProphetPX | alright Phil Collins |
| 04:33.04 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: Right, that's what I just read at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-detailed.en.html |
| 04:33.14 | ProphetPX | kewl |
| 04:33.51 | ProphetPX | so then, why isn't Etch the permanent name for testing lol |
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| 04:34.08 | dendrite | ProphetPX: Because you need a code-name that goes with a particular version. |
| 04:34.23 | ProphetPX | i know that... but why permanent |
| 04:34.28 | dondelelcaro | ProphetPX: because testing is just a symlink that points at the current release in the testing position |
| 04:34.30 | dendrite | ProphetPX: Otherwise, if you just pin to 'stable' you are in for a rude surprise when a new stable comes out. |
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| 04:34.35 | ProphetPX | LOL |
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| 04:34.49 | ``sh3l1 | Hello |
| 04:34.59 | dendrite | Well, rude surprise if you didn't want to do a dist-upgrade... |
| 04:35.08 | ProphetPX | hmm |
| 04:35.36 | ``sh3l1 | can anyone tell me about WG311v3's compatablity with debian/ndiswrapper? |
| 04:35.41 | ``sh3l1 | frome netgear |
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| 04:35.50 | dendrite | ProphetPX: In other words, if you pin to stable, then when etch comes out (becomes the 'stable' version), then you will start pulling packages from etch instead of sarge... |
| 04:36.34 | breakthestate | sh3l1, do you have the card? |
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| 04:36.47 | dendrite | ProphetPX: So, production hosts should always pin to a named version... |
| 04:36.56 | ProphetPX | ok |
| 04:37.05 | ProphetPX | why would anyone want to use an ndiswrapper for |
| 04:37.17 | ProphetPX | i wondered because i thought that was windows' way of networking |
| 04:38.25 | dendrite | ProphetPX: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:38.39 | ``sh3l1 | Can anyone please tell me about WG311v3's (NETGEAR) compatablity with debian/ndiswrapper? |
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| 04:39.10 | redphoenix1 | older driver did not work |
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| 04:39.24 | redphoenix1 | like i said it stoped working after the mesa upgrade |
| 04:39.28 | breakthestate | sh31l, have you searched the wiki list on the ndiswrapper site? |
| 04:39.33 | ``sh3l1 | Can anyone please tell me about WG311v3's (NETGEAR) compatablity with debian/ndiswrapper? |
| 04:39.47 | dendrite | !nickometer ``sh3l1 |
| 04:39.49 | dpkg | '``sh3l1' is 74.000% lame, dendrite |
| 04:39.55 | breakthestate | sh31l, and calm down |
| 04:39.55 | pgmr | woah shell dude dont repeat that often |
| 04:40.21 | ``sh3l1 | !nickometer dendrite |
| 04:40.21 | pgmr | !botaddiction dendrite |
| 04:40.22 | dpkg | 'dendrite' is 0.000% lame, ``sh3l1 |
| 04:40.29 | ``sh3l1 | what?? |
| 04:40.30 | ``sh3l1 | xD |
| 04:40.31 | dendrite | <snicker> |
| 04:40.48 | ``sh3l1 | do i lose points for the ``s? |
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| 04:41.13 | ``sh3l1 | lol |
| 04:41.17 | breakthestate | lol, okay, sh31l, do you see my questions above to you? |
| 04:41.53 | shell | !nickometer shell |
| 04:41.55 | dpkg | 'shell' is 0.000% lame, shell |
| 04:41.59 | shell | yes!! |
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| 04:42.48 | shell | breakthestate: sorry |
| 04:43.09 | dondelelcaro | shell: thanks for changing your nick; in case you were wondering, that measurement is telling you how difficult (or lame) it is to type a nick... |
| 04:43.30 | shell | breakthestate: yes i have looked all around for stuff for my wireless card |
| 04:43.33 | dendrite | 00:36 < breakthestate> sh3l1, do you have the card? |
| 04:43.38 | dendrite | 00:39 < breakthestate> sh31l, have you searched the wiki list on the ndiswrapper site? |
| 04:43.48 | shell | dendrite" yes, yes |
| 04:43.55 | ProphetPX | !nickometer ProphetPX |
| 04:43.57 | dpkg | 'ProphetPX' is 14.000% lame, prophetpx |
| 04:43.58 | breakthestate | okay, shell, what did the wiki list say? |
| 04:44.00 | ProphetPX | doh! |
| 04:44.11 | shell | dendrite, i had some trouble with it though... i can't get it to run with ubuntu it freezes |
| 04:44.19 | breakthestate | oooooooooops |
| 04:44.22 | shell | breakthestate: said it worked |
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| 04:44.48 | shell | breakthestate: downloading debian as we speak, want to be sure that it works though |
| 04:45.35 | shell | breakthestate: does it require 2 dvds? or are those seperate versions? |
| 04:45.58 | dendrite | shell: You might try the netinstall image... |
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| 04:46.04 | breakthestate | nah, usually just one |
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| 04:46.31 | pgmr | heh i always use debootstrap |
| 04:46.36 | shell | dendrite: i can't get connected to the internet w/o halling downstairs |
| 04:46.41 | breakthestate | shell, i've had problems with ubuntu loading the wrong module for my wireless card and I had to blacklist, but that has not happened to me with debian |
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| 04:46.56 | shell | breakthestate: so it works? |
| 04:46.57 | dendrite | pgmr: I've been meaning to play with debootstrap... :-) |
| 04:47.10 | fando | help, I have a <defunct> process (firefox died on anandtech)... how do I get rid of it? |
| 04:47.27 | breakthestate | shell, i'm going to guess that it works, are you familiar with how to use ndiswrapper? |
| 04:47.38 | Dwonis | fando: what's its parent process? |
| 04:47.44 | shell | breakthestate: ndisgtk |
| 04:48.03 | shell | breakthestate: uses ndiswrapper |
| 04:48.45 | breakthestate | ok, did you download the correct .inf file for your card? |
| 04:48.46 | fando | checking |
| 04:48.56 | Dwonis | nooooooooo |
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| 04:49.11 | shell | breakthestate: yeah |
| 04:49.24 | breakthestate | okay, good |
| 04:49.36 | fando | it doesn't have a parent... which I assume means it's owned by init |
| 04:49.39 | fando | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.00 | Dwonis | fando... What command did you use to get that? |
| 04:50.04 | dendrite | fando: zombies don't take up resources, so you can just ignore it. All it means is that whatever spawned that (now dead) process didn't get the news that the process died. |
| 04:50.10 | fando | ps axjf | grep -B 3 -A 3 firefox |
| 04:50.20 | fando | dendrite, but I can't restart firefox, it thinks it's still running |
| 04:50.29 | fando | maybe kill the pid file? |
| 04:50.32 | breakthestate | listen, i've got to go, but I'm going to say that ndiswrapper will work, but if you run into trouble, please do your best ot read all the debian documentation necessary re: ndiswrapper and iwconfig |
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| 04:51.09 | Dwonis | fando: are you *sure* that's the process that's the problem? |
| 04:51.12 | dendrite | fando: Ah, then ps with the -f option to figure out what parent to kill/restart. Or try killing with the PID. |
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| 04:51.19 | fando | if firefox were owned by something it would show \_parent_process \_firefox bin |
| 04:51.24 | Noboru | I love debian :) |
| 04:51.29 | fando | but it's there on its own, no parent :( |
| 04:51.45 | fando | ok with -f |
| 04:51.50 | dendrite | fando: Well, *something* spawned it... |
| 04:51.57 | Dwonis | fando: check dmesg... did you get an Oops or something? |
| 04:52.12 | tictac | fando: remove the LOCK file in the profile directory of your firefox.. ./mozilla/firefox/profiles/garbledmess/lock |
| 04:52.32 | tictac | err dendrite even |
| 04:52.46 | fando | whoa I have some bad things in my dmesg |
| 04:52.55 | ProphetPX | lol |
| 04:52.56 | dendrite | tictac: fando is the one with the zombie. |
| 04:53.03 | tictac | well, whoever. :P |
| 04:53.09 | dendrite | tictac: :-) |
| 04:53.14 | fando | kernel BUG at <bad filename>:58347! -- invalid operand: 0000 [#1] -- PREEMPT |
| 04:53.22 | tictac | removing the lock file will allow firefox the utilize the profile again. |
| 04:53.59 | fando | then it prints a large number of things ending with: Process firefox-bin (pid: 4250, threadinfo=f61de000 task=f62eb030) |
| 04:54.11 | fando | ok trying to remove the lock file |
| 04:54.24 | hyp0 | anybody know why I can't paste into the firefox address field? |
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| 04:54.50 | dendrite | hyp0: You left the top off the glue bottle, and it all dried up? |
| 04:54.51 | Noboru | Do i need to install mysql-client ? |
| 04:54.55 | rolo | hi, how do i start midnight commander ? |
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| 04:55.19 | rolo | or find out if i have it installed |
| 04:55.23 | dendrite | hyp0: Can you paste in other apps? |
| 04:55.29 | fando | no luck removing lock file, it's still defunct and can't kill it |
| 04:56.11 | dendrite | fando: Removing the lock file won't change the process table. It may allow firefox to start anyhow... |
| 04:56.16 | hyp0 | yes, I can paste from xterm to xterm, but not to firefox? |
| 04:56.17 | Dwonis | rolo: to start it: "mc" |
| 04:56.23 | fando | well I have a kernel BUG in my system... I hit a preempt issue |
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| 04:56.41 | fando | maybe I sould research and report this, I've had this problem before |
| 04:56.53 | rolo | mc is not doing nothing |
| 04:56.55 | chealer | Noboru: how could someone guess? |
| 04:56.59 | dendrite | fando: what kernel are you running? |
| 04:57.01 | rolo | bash: mc: command not found |
| 04:57.07 | Dwonis | rolo: then you don't have it |
| 04:57.12 | fando | something I compiled by hand... I should switch to a stock kernel actually |
| 04:57.17 | rolo | Dwonis : how to get it ? |
| 04:57.18 | Dwonis | rolo: "apt-get install mc" would install it |
| 04:57.19 | Noboru | chealer, I mean i m gonna install mysql on the server |
| 04:57.22 | rolo | k |
| 04:57.24 | Roach4 | When I was using the ethernet port to access a webpage with firefox in KDE it was working, now I put my pcmcia wireless card, associate to the wireless network, shutdown the ethernet interface... I can ping the gateway thru the wireless network but I can't browse the internet in firefox anymore... any idea ? |
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| 04:58.16 | Roach4 | someone? |
| 04:58.38 | dendrite | fando: Yeah, because you won't get much help with tracking down kernel bugs unless you're running the latest and greatest... |
| 04:58.42 | fando | I started with a linux-source package for 2.6.15 and changed a few things, like preempt kernel and processor type... plus an ipw2200 module |
| 04:58.58 | fando | ok I'll try running a stock kernel and if I hit this again, I'll come back for help :( |
| 04:59.02 | fando | thanks |
| 04:59.15 | dendrite | fando: Good luck! :-) |
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| 05:00.04 | fando | sigh, this means reboot huh |
| 05:00.41 | Dwonis | !reboot |
| 05:00.42 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 05:00.50 | Dwonis | !qotd2 |
| 05:00.50 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 05:01.25 | Dwonis | dendrite: usually you can just go to single user mode and back |
| 05:01.34 | Noboru | does anyone know when ETCH will be released ? |
| 05:01.39 | dendrite | Not that you can't sort it out other ways, but whatever... |
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| 05:02.02 | dheath | anyone know the security bulletin number for libc6 |
| 05:02.36 | dheath | or why it was updated last month |
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| 05:03.33 | chealer | Noboru: no |
| 05:03.38 | chealer | !tell Noboru about wwer |
| 05:03.50 | servus | !reboot because Firefox took over the computer again |
| 05:03.54 | dheath | !tell dheath about stable |
| 05:04.03 | chealer | !tell dheath about selftell |
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| 05:04.22 | chealer | dheath: check its changelog |
| 05:04.41 | sciboy | If i mount my hard-drive (with my debian installation) and chroot into it, will i be able to use some of the applications without worries? |
| 05:04.48 | dheath | I tried |
| 05:04.52 | ProphetPX | is there a package for that nifty XML term in Mozilla? |
| 05:05.07 | Dwonis | hmm... I was going to !topicsmite Noboru, but apparently etch's release date isn't in the /TOPIC anymore |
| 05:05.29 | ProphetPX | !tell ProphetPX about selftell |
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| 05:05.33 | dendrite | sciboy: Define "without worries." It's not hard to break a chroot jail, if it's a security thing you're doing... |
| 05:06.11 | Dwonis | oh wait, there it is, it's just on OFTC's #debian topic |
| 05:06.19 | dheath | I did not hear about it until today which is why is was concerned |
| 05:06.30 | Noboru | chealer, and Dwonis ,I see. |
| 05:06.34 | dheath | didnt you guys all have to update recently say for example then |
| 05:07.05 | dendrite | dheath: I did, but I'm running sid, so I get to update stuff like that because the wind blows. |
| 05:07.44 | chealer | dheath: those that run stable, presumably |
| 05:08.04 | Dwonis | sciboy: The answer you're looking for is probably yes, but dentrite is right that "without worries" is kind of... vague |
| 05:08.34 | sciboy | I need to use grub-install from my installation since this livecd doesn't have it. |
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| 05:08.52 | sciboy | The grub-installer from the netinstall cd put it on the wrong drive. |
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| 05:09.01 | dendrite | sciboy: I wouldn't count on grub anything to respect a chroot jail. |
| 05:09.20 | dendrite | sciboy: Doesn't grub-install have ways to tell it where to operate? |
| 05:09.25 | cunakya | can I get debian to mount /home from different hd on boot up? |
| 05:09.26 | dheath | i guess its just some bullshit thats not a security thing |
| 05:09.39 | sciboy | dendrite, Yes, it's a matter of executing grub-install in the first place. |
| 05:09.51 | sciboy | dendrite, I need to chroot into my current installation to run it. |
| 05:09.57 | dheath | i thought the whole point of a stable tree was that it was not supposed to be changed unless a security problem |
| 05:09.59 | dendrite | sciboy: Ah. chroot might be the way to go then. |
| 05:10.10 | servus | cunakya: Yes, man fstab and look at /etc/fstab |
| 05:10.29 | dendrite | dheath: Yes, that's my understanding as well. |
| 05:10.49 | Dwonis | tr011: don't even think about it |
| 05:11.05 | dheath | debian has been pissing me off trying to replace itself every couple months or so pretty gay |
| 05:11.17 | dheath | didn't use to be that way |
| 05:11.29 | dendrite | I didn't know gays replaced themselves every couple months... |
| 05:11.31 | cunakya | servus: how can I set this up before creating user accounts? |
| 05:11.34 | Dwonis | dheath: huh? details? |
| 05:11.35 | dheath | they do |
| 05:11.39 | tr011 | Dwonis, think about what? |
| 05:11.48 | Dwonis | tr011: your nick |
| 05:11.48 | chealer | dheath: please make use of #debian-whining |
| 05:11.54 | dheath | alright thanks |
| 05:11.58 | ProphetPX | lol |
| 05:12.10 | Dwonis | woohoo, I'm the op of #debian-whining |
| 05:12.25 | servus | cunakya: During the install procses? I don't remember - I always black out Debian installs from my memory because they are invariably horrible experiences, but you can move the /home/ contents to the new hard drive and change the fstab and remount it after you've already got the OS installed, though. |
| 05:12.28 | chealer | !win Dwonis |
| 05:12.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, Dwonis! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 05:12.29 | tr011 | Dwonis, don't worry, is an old history, nothing related with 'web trolls' |
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| 05:13.18 | chealer | heh, dpkg got it pretty well |
| 05:13.26 | Dwonis | ProphetPX: heh |
| 05:13.30 | ProphetPX | :-P |
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| 05:13.35 | rolo | i cant ftp to a windows server thats ussing IIS ... |
| 05:13.50 | ProphetPX | doh ... i heard of the "iisemulator" the other day ... WTF |
| 05:13.53 | Dwonis | rolo: ... hooray? |
| 05:14.10 | rolo | ihave tried with kbear, lftp , and mc |
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| 05:14.25 | rolo | mc i dont know how to use it veyr well |
| 05:14.29 | rolo | any ideas? |
| 05:14.31 | ProphetPX | i prefer using ncftp myself, so much more straightforward, as far as command line tools go |
| 05:14.43 | cunakya | servus: i guess that will probably work. The thing is Im putting the system on a small drive, not enough for decent user space. thanks again |
| 05:14.43 | dendrite | rolo: passive? |
| 05:15.02 | rolo | when i ftp to it from a windows machine i didnt used passive |
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| 05:15.36 | dendrite | FTP is such a kick in the pants. |
| 05:16.10 | Dwonis | ProphetPX: yes, except for that @$#%*$@$@ "ask to bookmark by default" option |
| 05:16.14 | sep | anyone know if the security team have ceased support for woody ? wasn't that may 2006 ? i havent seen any anouncements. |
| 05:16.21 | ProphetPX | ? |
| 05:16.34 | Dwonis | ProphetPX: ncftp |
| 05:16.38 | dendrite | sep: Oooh, good question. |
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| 05:16.40 | ProphetPX | sorry i lost whatever was said in a massive buffer explosion due to BitchX's help screens lol |
| 05:16.46 | ProphetPX | oh yeah |
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| 05:17.19 | rolo | prophet: how do i use ncftp to connect as a different user ? |
| 05:17.20 | Dwonis | ProphetPX: You sould try GNU gas-x |
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| 05:17.29 | ProphetPX | lmao |
| 05:17.30 | rolo | user:ip ? |
| 05:17.41 | ProphetPX | i should really. too much damn garlic in my taters today :-\ |
| 05:17.47 | peterS | sep: I don't think it has quite happened yet - I expect to see an announcement when they do |
| 05:17.58 | dendrite | sep: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/ |
| 05:18.03 | sciboy | SATA is alot faster than IDE, right? |
| 05:18.10 | peterS | sep: anyway, sarge is still a few days shy of 1 year old |
| 05:18.24 | peterS | sciboy: not really. in some circumstances yes. |
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| 05:18.51 | peterS | sciboy: depends on the limits - wire speed means little if the drive itself can only read and write data at a certain rate |
| 05:18.52 | sep | peterS, thanks :) |
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| 05:19.01 | rolo | prophet: how do i use ncftp to connect as a different user ? user@ip , doesnt do it |
| 05:19.03 | sciboy | petemc, 7200rpm? |
| 05:19.13 | rolo | i mean "open user@ip" |
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| 05:20.22 | ProphetPX | ncftp -u username -p port# sitename.ip.etc.etc - to prompt for username and password | or ncftp -a sitename.ip.ip.ip - if you want anonymous |
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| 05:20.43 | ProphetPX | or if in ncftp, open sitename and it should prompt u |
| 05:20.47 | sciboy | peterS, 7200rpm? |
| 05:20.53 | Gumby | does anyone here know of any network monitoring tools other than iptraf or bandwidthd that will be able to monitor throughput by client pc or MAC addy and save it to a logfile or sql db? |
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| 05:22.57 | peterS | sciboy: a 7200rpm disk can't even come close to the wire speed of ATA100 or ATA133, so the additional speed of SATA probably doesn't matter much. However, other features of SATA, particularly NCQ (which, last I heard, was not enabled in the Linux drivers anyway) could definitely make a speed difference |
| 05:22.59 | ProphetPX | usually the "user:pass@hostname" approach is for use in browsers (cough choke IE gag muffle) |
| 05:23.11 | Dwonis | Gumby: If it's in Debian, it'll probably be in the list of packages returned by "apt-cache rdepends libpcap0.8" |
| 05:23.27 | Gumby | Dwonis: thx, Ill have a look at that |
| 05:23.31 | evilgeek | *cough*O(1). |
| 05:23.36 | Dwonis | Gumby: "bandwidthd" looks promising |
| 05:23.48 | rolo | ok, it logged me in !! but when i did "ls" it timed out and said "Falling back to PORT instead of PASV mode |
| 05:23.51 | Gumby | Dwonis: yeah, if only it worked as it should. hehe |
| 05:24.03 | Gumby | Dwonis: I'd love it to log to an sql db properly but it doesnt. |
| 05:24.06 | rolo | then it returned of strange dirs |
| 05:24.21 | Gumby | Dwonis: and its pregenerated html pages arent quite what I want |
| 05:24.36 | Dwonis | Gumby: are you a programmer? |
| 05:24.45 | rolo | i know those dirs arent on the server ... MSFTPVC1 ...... MSFTPVC2.... etc |
| 05:24.45 | ProphetPX | FTP is a kick in the pants (as some1 earlier put it) |
| 05:24.47 | Gumby | Dwonis: far from it :) |
| 05:24.53 | sep | Gumby, i use ipfm for that |
| 05:24.58 | ProphetPX | easier to just use a GUI ... like TKFTP or GFTP, etc etc... |
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| 05:25.02 | sep | Gumby, on a passive ethernet tap. |
| 05:25.10 | ProphetPX | even Firefox has a FireFTP extension now |
| 05:25.24 | Gumby | sep: I will look into that. thx |
| 05:25.25 | ProphetPX | which is incredible |
| 05:25.30 | zinx | firefox needs an extension for ftp? o_O |
| 05:25.35 | rolo | really, will try that fireftp |
| 05:25.35 | ProphetPX | loll it has it |
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| 05:25.55 | ProphetPX | its beautiful, methinks :) |
| 05:26.09 | sep | Gumby, i dont know of ipfm can do sql directly, but i know of users that do 5 minnut file dumps and imports those to sql |
| 05:26.12 | ProphetPX | i know it does |
| 05:26.25 | ProphetPX | but FireFTP turns it into much more of a XUL client than normally |
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| 05:26.47 | Gumby | sep: and can it do it per MAC addy or IP running through a gateway? ie: per user on my local network? |
| 05:27.43 | Noboru | By default installation of sarge, exim is installed ? |
| 05:27.50 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: no. |
| 05:28.05 | sep | Gumby, i use if for per ip on a heavily subnettet /20 network |
| 05:28.06 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: theree is really no such thing as a default install, unless you're talking about stuff that is Essential: yes |
| 05:28.07 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, but its installed here, and twice |
| 05:28.18 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: sure, if you need an MTA, it is the default MTA. |
| 05:28.33 | Gumby | sep: awesome thx. I will look into that and hopefully be able to parse it to form my own html pages for the users of my LAN |
| 05:28.40 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: Don't you pretty much always need an MTA? |
| 05:28.41 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, i meant after it installs base package,i dont select anything else but even this it still installs exim :( |
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| 05:28.58 | SkramX | whats the easiest way to add an IP to my server? |
| 05:29.05 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: if you install almost anything, yes... |
| 05:29.06 | sep | Gumby, but i dont run it on the gateway. i run it on a passive tap as i mentioned, if your gw can handle it you should have no problem doing it there |
| 05:29.06 | no0ke | what does 'apt-get dist-upgrade' do ? |
| 05:29.12 | Dwonis | SkramX: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:29.16 | Gumby | sep: if only make didnt fail. hehe |
| 05:29.20 | SkramX | Dwonis: and then restart what? |
| 05:29.20 | no0ke | is it the same as 'apt-get upgrade' ? |
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| 05:29.22 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: sure, because you've installed cron or something else that depends on mail-transport-agent |
| 05:29.33 | no0ke | or is it like upgrading from woody to sarge? |
| 05:29.39 | ProphetPX | yeah |
| 05:29.44 | Dwonis | SkramX: /etc/init.d/networking... or you can just "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" or whatever |
| 05:29.56 | no0ke | i see |
| 05:29.59 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: if you want a different mail-transport-agent (I suggest nullmailer if you're not receiving mail) just install it. |
| 05:30.10 | ProphetPX | distro upgrade, basically |
| 05:30.26 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, but cron is always being installed by default right ? |
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| 05:30.34 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: no, it's not. |
| 05:30.36 | Noboru | I mean is there a way to not install any MTA ? |
| 05:30.37 | sid | !dist-upgrade |
| 05:30.37 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 05:30.40 | Dwonis | no0ke: dist-upgrade is more aggressive than upgrade, so it's more likely to uninstall things you want |
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| 05:30.54 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: sure, if you don't install cron or anything else that depends transitively on mail-transport-agent |
| 05:30.56 | ProphetPX | hmm |
| 05:31.02 | ProphetPX | little did i know |
| 05:31.03 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: however, odds are fairly high that you actually want an MTA |
| 05:31.24 | azzz | hey all, whats the best debian p2p app???? is there an emule debian vsn? |
| 05:31.38 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, you mean during sarge installation we are allowed to select install cron or no / |
| 05:31.39 | Noboru | ? |
| 05:31.39 | ProphetPX | amule is good |
| 05:31.48 | ProphetPX | mlnet / mldonkey is good |
| 05:31.59 | Dwonis | heh. I thought that was azeem, and I started to wonder, "wtf?" |
| 05:31.59 | azzz | I'll try amule, ch33r5 |
| 05:32.06 | rolo | wtf , fireftp is showing the same strange and invalid folders |
| 05:32.06 | Gumby | sep: I dont suppose you have your config fle somewhere for a guy to look at :) |
| 05:32.08 | ProphetPX | cool |
| 05:32.10 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: sure, you can select exactly what to install at install time. Just use aptitude to manually select the packages to install. |
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| 05:32.36 | sep | Gumby, sure. 2sec |
| 05:32.37 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, I didn't select any package |
| 05:32.43 | Noboru | That is all |
| 05:32.46 | ProphetPX | must be an anomaly on their server? maybe u aren't supposed to see such folder(s) lol |
| 05:32.48 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: you have to tell it not to install packages |
| 05:32.55 | Noboru | got it :) |
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| 05:33.12 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 05:33.49 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, by the way, i gotta install zend manually ? i dont find it exists in apt tree |
| 05:33.56 | Noboru | zend optimizer |
| 05:34.03 | MaRX-Mode | Hi, could someone tell me which package should I install so that i can use azureus in debian? |
| 05:34.10 | ProphetPX | gcj |
| 05:34.16 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: zend isn't free software; we don't distribute it in main. |
| 05:34.20 | ProphetPX | i think azureus is dependent on gcj ? |
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| 05:34.29 | MaRX-Mode | gcj ? |
| 05:34.39 | ProphetPX | yeah sorta like another JVM other than Sun's |
| 05:34.41 | rolo | nope, i work with them |
| 05:34.41 | ProphetPX | i think |
| 05:34.46 | MaRX-Mode | ProphetPX: I'll check it out |
| 05:34.52 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, I chould be wrong,but Zend Opitimizer is free for downloading though. |
| 05:34.55 | rolo | i connect to the server regularly but from a windows machine |
| 05:35.02 | ProphetPX | look in the dependencies for azureus |
| 05:35.05 | rolo | and i want to do it from l linux |
| 05:35.09 | ProphetPX | or install manually if you use Sun's JVM |
| 05:35.16 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: for zend to distribute perhaps, but not for anyone else. Moreover, it isn't Free Software. |
| 05:35.25 | MaRX-Mode | well, i prefer debian's own packages |
| 05:35.26 | ProphetPX | i dunno, rolo |
| 05:35.34 | Noboru | I understand , thanks dondelelcaro |
| 05:35.35 | rolo | lol, me neither its strange |
| 05:35.36 | dondelelcaro | !tell Noboru -about dfsg |
| 05:35.40 | ProphetPX | debian doesn't make packages for Sun tho :-) |
| 05:35.40 | no0ke | is EST(eastern) GMT+5 or GMT-5 ? |
| 05:35.50 | dondelelcaro | no0ke: -5 |
| 05:35.54 | no0ke | i see |
| 05:36.09 | dondelelcaro | no0ke: TZ="America/New_York" date --rfc822; if you're lost. |
| 05:36.28 | MaRX-Mode | well, they should make |
| 05:36.29 | dondelelcaro | s/822/-822/ |
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| 05:37.06 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: the ircops on OFTC were consulted early on in the process |
| 05:37.30 | sortadi | hi |
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| 05:37.36 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: all i see in there is people getting ping timeout'ed. nobody's actually talking. |
| 05:37.38 | Roach4 | how do I COMPLETELY disable system beeps in linux? |
| 05:37.46 | ProphetPX | so will they change the irc.debian.org to point to OFTC as well? |
| 05:37.54 | sussudio | Roach4: disconnect your speaker? |
| 05:37.56 | dondelelcaro | ProphetPX: that's what is changing |
| 05:37.57 | ProphetPX | Roach, setterm |
| 05:38.02 | ProphetPX | ok |
| 05:38.05 | MaRX-Mode | from bios |
| 05:38.06 | sortadi | was the installation section where one selected the installation media outsted on debian etch? |
| 05:38.08 | MaRX-Mode | `? |
| 05:38.10 | ProphetPX | that too lol |
| 05:38.18 | konfuzed | hey I was just installing the dapper from 2 days ago and I think it is just reading the pre-exisintg fstab file and so the dapper install wants to format the drive as ext3 . is that the proper default for dapper? should I change it to something else |
| 05:38.20 | Roach4 | it's a laptop.. |
| 05:38.28 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: yeah, but the usual suspects are there... Ganneff is the only one who is timing out |
| 05:38.46 | sortadi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:39.04 | dondelelcaro | sortadi: no, it's still there |
| 05:39.05 | ProphetPX | erk wait |
| 05:39.15 | sussudio | !smp howto |
| 05:39.19 | dondelelcaro | sortadi: it's just autodetected for the most part |
| 05:39.21 | sortadi | dondelelcaro: i didn't see it while installing |
| 05:39.23 | sussudio | !smp |
| 05:39.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or ... |
| 05:39.27 | Roach4 | ProphetPX setterm can do that? |
| 05:39.40 | dondelelcaro | sortadi: you probably won't unless you use expert mode or go to the menu iirc. |
| 05:39.49 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: that url is no longer valid. i tried replacing it with #'s instead of /'s but dpkg wouldn't let me. new url is http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html |
| 05:39.50 | ProphetPX | i am prolly wrong .... i know u can set freq and duration of beeps |
| 05:39.52 | ProphetPX | :-P |
| 05:40.00 | no0ke | export EDITOR=/usr/bin/pico << is this right? |
| 05:40.08 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: literal smp |
| 05:40.08 | dpkg | "#debian smp" is "(Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or ... |
| 05:40.10 | sortadi | dondelelcaro: yes but i am installing through cds and now it doesn't ask me to introduce any other cd than the first one for apt-caching |
| 05:40.15 | sussudio | or http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Beowulf/smp-faq/prive/mentre/smp-faq/smp-faq-3.html for the faq |
| 05:40.21 | konfuzed | hmmm what should be the default file system type for a dapper install |
| 05:40.28 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: smp =~ s#http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/#http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html# |
| 05:40.29 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 05:40.31 | no0ke | or with quotes? |
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| 05:40.42 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: ask #ubuntu? |
| 05:40.48 | dondelelcaro | no0ke: that's fine |
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| 05:40.59 | dondelelcaro | no0ke: although, you really should use nano instead. |
| 05:41.02 | konfuzed | ooooooooooo i slipped bad this is not the dapper install |
| 05:41.23 | konfuzed | debian net install over top a suse server |
| 05:41.28 | ProphetPX | lmao |
| 05:41.29 | dn4 | after you delete stuff off your linux os does it stay on there like it does with windows? |
| 05:41.35 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: ext3 is the default |
| 05:41.40 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: but you can select whatevr you want |
| 05:41.40 | konfuzed | oh well thats good |
| 05:41.43 | dos000 | anyone: what is the (best) way to prompt a user for a passwd and save it in a bash script ? |
| 05:41.49 | dondelelcaro | dn4: no, unless you're using libtrash. |
| 05:41.50 | konfuzed | I was going to just go with it |
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| 05:42.09 | dn4 | dondelelcaro, how do I delete the files perminately |
| 05:42.18 | dondelelcaro | dn4: so they can't be recovered? or what? |
| 05:42.19 | konfuzed | ive never seemed to get a straight answer on which File System has the best disaster recovery potential (not raid) |
| 05:42.29 | dn4 | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 05:42.31 | seb- | dn4: man shred |
| 05:42.35 | dondelelcaro | dn4: if you just want them to go away, use rm. If you want them to be irrecoverable, use wipe. |
| 05:42.52 | ProphetPX | I thought Reiser 4 did |
| 05:43.35 | Roach4 | which file can I edit that execute a command each time the system boots? |
| 05:43.41 | Roach4 | that = to |
| 05:43.43 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, not trivially recoverable; MFM may still allow for recoverability on some media... also, remaping of sectors may mean that some bits are kept) |
| 05:43.55 | konfuzed | well RAID may deliver over all best but I meant with only one drive and no raid |
| 05:43.59 | ProphetPX | isn't it init.rc ? |
| 05:44.06 | dn4 | dondelelcaro, I already put them in the waste basket and deleted them, how do I wipe them now? |
| 05:44.13 | dondelelcaro | dn4: if it's data that absolutely, positively must be destroyed, the only way to get rid of it with certainty is to physically destroy the media. |
| 05:44.26 | ProphetPX | good pt. dondelelcaro |
| 05:44.37 | dn4 | h;mmm |
| 05:44.48 | seb- | dn4, dondelelcaro: shred will overwrite 30x...that should be good enough |
| 05:45.01 | ProphetPX | does wipe or shred use DoD methods to overwrite del'd data? |
| 05:45.04 | Dwonis | seb-: only if you have a non-journalling filesystem, I think |
| 05:45.06 | ProphetPX | oh wow |
| 05:45.10 | Roach4 | no init.rc on my system. |
| 05:45.23 | sortadi | which burning speed do you recommend for debian isos? |
| 05:45.24 | liable | Roach4: check /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 05:45.25 | seb- | Dwonis: what is problem with journals? |
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| 05:45.38 | Dwonis | seb-: Well, data isn't necessarily written in-place, I think |
| 05:45.44 | liable | sortadi: whatever your butner is happy with |
| 05:45.47 | konfuzed | dondelelcaro, what file system delivers the most recovery capability without destroyong the performance?? |
| 05:45.50 | seb- | Dwonis: what if you shred the entire partition? |
| 05:46.02 | liable | Roach4: also man update-rc.d |
| 05:46.06 | Roach4 | liable: i just don't want to build a script... i only got a single command to execute... |
| 05:46.08 | ProphetPX | omg |
| 05:46.09 | Roach4 | ok, thx |
| 05:46.09 | Dwonis | seb-: well, that would probably work, unless the drive remapped some sectors or something |
| 05:46.13 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: probably ext2 |
| 05:46.13 | sortadi | liable: so there won't be any problem if i use relatively high speeds? |
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| 05:46.20 | Dwonis | seb-: it depends on who your attacker is |
| 05:46.30 | seb- | Dwonis: i'd probably only use shred for an entire drive |
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| 05:46.33 | liable | Roach4: just make a simple script then and put it in init.d |
| 05:46.38 | seb- | Dwonis: hopefully that is ok |
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| 05:46.55 | dondelelcaro | ProphetPX: the last time I talked to someone who worked for DoD, DoD methods involved physical media destruction. |
| 05:46.56 | seb- | Dwonis: i'm not sure even the NSA could recover after 30x |
| 05:47.05 | ProphetPX | :-) ok yeah |
| 05:47.08 | Dwonis | seb-: I'd guess that they almost certainly can |
| 05:47.13 | seb- | Dwonis: if any doubt you could run shred twice for 60x |
| 05:47.20 | ProphetPX | i meant as far as "overwrite" with byte patterns went, tho |
| 05:47.21 | Dwonis | seb-: no... that might not help |
| 05:47.24 | liable | sortadi: no, as long as your burner burns it ok without underuns and all that stuff.. |
| 05:47.25 | sekio | run shred for about an hour constantly |
| 05:47.45 | dondelelcaro | ProphetPX: yeah, they usually run with 0s, 1s, random data, and some more 0s and 1s. |
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| 05:47.49 | seb- | sekio: you underestimate how long it takes to shred a drive :) |
| 05:47.54 | ProphetPX | yep |
| 05:48.05 | kevix | Hi folks, i got this ati/gatos card that record somekind of .yuv files. anyone know how to convert them to something playable (mov,avi,mpg)? |
| 05:48.06 | ProphetPX | the old old old old norton utils even had it |
| 05:48.29 | ProphetPX | maybe transcode? |
| 05:48.45 | Dwonis | Personally, if I wanted to shred data, I would first NEVER write it unencrypted to the drive, and THEN I would take the drive apart and vapourize the platters one by one in a funace of some sort |
| 05:49.25 | sekio | dwonis: or conc h2so4 :) |
| 05:49.48 | ProphetPX | lmao |
| 05:49.48 | ProphetPX | Joe vs. the Volcano |
| 05:49.48 | Dwonis | sekio: would that work? |
| 05:49.53 | Dwonis | sekio: I'm not a chemist, so |
| 05:50.02 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: overwrite, sulfuric acid, and then shred the aluminum disk is how it used to be done for the 14" platters |
| 05:50.27 | sekio | dondelelcaro: exactly |
| 05:50.33 | ProphetPX | yeah i can just see him getting his fingers eaten off now |
| 05:50.34 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: meanwhile, the NSA already has your data via some bug they planted on your motherboard ages ago :) |
| 05:50.41 | ProphetPX | lmao |
| 05:50.55 | kevix | Dwonis: maybe locate mount doom and dump it in.... |
| 05:51.05 | ProphetPX | One Drive to Rule Them All ... |
| 05:51.09 | sekio | prophetpx: nuke the nsa then |
| 05:51.14 | zinx | Dwonis: or Lenovo, if you are the US govt. |
| 05:51.16 | ProphetPX | I wish |
| 05:51.19 | kevix | ProphetPX: ;-) |
| 05:51.23 | ProphetPX | :-) |
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| 05:51.40 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: I hope they have it... maybe I can FOIA some missing data |
| 05:51.45 | ProphetPX | or would it rather be, one EFI/BIOS rootkit to rule them all ... |
| 05:51.54 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 05:52.26 | ProphetPX | speaking of EFI ... I wish PC's had all that goodness ... with an option to opt-TOTALLY out of TPM |
| 05:52.41 | ProphetPX | as it is now, you can only "opt-out" software-wise :-\ |
| 05:52.56 | Dwonis | ProphetPX: eh? |
| 05:53.20 | ProphetPX | EFI hardware comes with Trusted Computing Platform chip Modules onboard. You can "opt-out" via software setting |
| 05:53.41 | ProphetPX | I wish it was hardware disabled, instead, however |
| 05:53.42 | Dwonis | ProphetPX: I know what TPM is, I'm wondering about the software setting |
| 05:53.49 | ProphetPX | oh |
| 05:54.08 | ProphetPX | I was referring to the earlier "One rootkit to rule them all" NSA bug discussion, yada yada yada |
| 05:54.18 | zinx | i would prefer to not purchase the TPM in the first place |
| 05:54.26 | secher | Is the Jabber protocol compatible with the aim protocol? That is to say, if I have a friend on aim, can I talk with them from a client using Jabber? |
| 05:54.40 | ProphetPX | of course but good luck finding a board mfr making anything without one |
| 05:54.57 | Dwonis | secher: the protocols aren't compatible, I don't think, but Jabber servers often have AIM modules that let you log into AIM |
| 05:55.08 | Dwonis | ProphetPX: http://www.digi-key.com/ |
| 05:55.08 | ProphetPX | there is an AIM to Jabber gateway but I don't remember how it works |
| 05:55.13 | ProphetPX | oooh |
| 05:55.29 | secher | Dwonis: ProphetPX: Kk, thanks. |
| 05:55.32 | ProphetPX | so, yeah, supposedly, using the Windows Triton client, I think |
| 05:55.45 | ProphetPX | dunno about FOSS alternatives like GAIM ? |
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| 05:55.59 | Dwonis | ProphetPX: I'm guessing that GAIM supports AIM |
| 05:56.02 | dondelelcaro | gaim just supports them all |
| 05:56.04 | secher | ProphetPX: Gaim is the client in question, actually. |
| 05:56.07 | dondelelcaro | as does bittlebee |
| 05:56.26 | ProphetPX | k .. |
| 05:56.42 | ProphetPX | as far as AIM -> Jabber, the least I know is to use the gateway servers out there? |
| 05:57.11 | ProphetPX | meaning: if 1 of you has no account on the other service |
| 05:59.00 | secher | I have an aim account I created just for this purpose.. man pages, here I come. |
| 05:59.42 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:59.43 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:00.25 | Noboru | In vi,which key to continue searching ? |
| 06:00.31 | Phated | n. |
| 06:00.32 | Dwonis | Noboru: n |
| 06:00.38 | Noboru | Thanks |
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| 06:00.56 | raden | anyone run 64 bit intel ? |
| 06:01.42 | Dwonis | raden: no. Nobody does. ever. |
| 06:01.55 | Dwonis | raden: just ask |
| 06:02.18 | secher | what are the ramifications of irc.debian.org moving away from freenode? Is it simply a server moving from one network to another? Will there be a split in #debian? What changes can I expect in the channel? |
| 06:02.32 | stew | secher: /msg dpkg oftc move |
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| 06:03.10 | raden | Dwonis, why ? i was just curious |
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| 06:03.26 | valdyn | !popcon |
| 06:03.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:03.33 | Dwonis | raden: oh... ^^^ what he said |
| 06:04.13 | raden | debian dont have a 64 bit port yet ? |
| 06:04.27 | secher | stew: I read the factiod, but it does not answer my questions. Will there be a split in users, or is there some bridge in place that will allow users regardless of network to all remain in #debian? |
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| 06:04.44 | valdyn | raden: it has had 64bit ports for years |
| 06:04.59 | raden | sorry |
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| 06:05.40 | secher | raden: don't be sorry, just google 64bit debian |
| 06:05.45 | raden | lotta power PC users what up with that |
| 06:06.04 | raden | secher, i did alot of info on deb on 64 bit sparc what i found |
| 06:06.13 | stew | secher: there have been #debian channels on both networks for a long time, there will continue to be. you can move over there or stay here or join both. there is no communication between the two irc networks |
| 06:06.27 | raden | i was thinking of building a new machine dont have the need for 64 bit just seems like sense to build it since the price will be like $80 more |
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| 06:06.45 | bvs | !amd64 |
| 06:06.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 06:06.54 | bvs | is what you're talking about i'm guessing |
| 06:07.04 | valdyn | raden: you really mean amd64, not 'intel 64 bit' |
| 06:07.27 | valdyn | !ia64 |
| 06:07.27 | dpkg | methinks ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon, it is NOT ia64 |
| 06:07.50 | valdyn | raden: ^^^ that isnt 'just' 80$ more expensive, more like several 1000 |
| 06:08.04 | dondelelcaro | they're very nice machines though |
| 06:08.38 | raden | AHHH |
| 06:08.49 | dondelelcaro | or at least, merkel is... 48G ram... |
| 06:09.00 | raden | I dont even need 64 bit |
| 06:09.18 | raden | will a intel 2.66 Ghz dual core 64 proc work ok with debian and am i gonna have any issues ? |
| 06:09.21 | konfuzed | hhmmm the install disk is debian 3.1r2 downloaded Tuesday Night and I just told it to use ftp.nrc.ca for sources and now I have to wonder if ftp.nrc.ca is as current as yesterdays net install iso |
| 06:09.30 | dondelelcaro | raden: sure, it'll work with the amd64 port |
| 06:09.35 | raden | it will ? |
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| 06:09.41 | dondelelcaro | raden: yes. |
| 06:09.45 | raden | Strange |
| 06:09.52 | Noboru | Does anyone know in php.ini ,i should set the default charset as 'utf8' or 'utf-8' ? |
| 06:09.54 | valdyn | raden: we dont know, the default debian kernel might have issues with your chipset |
| 06:10.01 | superlinux | how can I force a process when ever it comes up to to be on real priority without my intervention? |
| 06:10.13 | valdyn | raden: other than that it should work fine |
| 06:10.14 | raden | Noboru, utf-8 |
| 06:10.21 | valdyn | raden: kernel can be changed too |
| 06:10.22 | Noboru | raden, I see. |
| 06:10.27 | ProphetPX | why would anyone say they "dont need" 64bit? that's like in the old days, the 286 DOS PC-AT users saying "bah, we don't need no steenkin' 386SX!" :-) |
| 06:10.31 | raden | valdyn, thanks for the info bro :) |
| 06:10.43 | raden | ProphetPX, im a network admin |
| 06:10.47 | dondelelcaro | ProphetPX: because only a few applications need the overhead of 64 bit instructions... |
| 06:10.48 | valdyn | ProphetPX: and that was reasonable too, period |
| 06:10.54 | ProphetPX | hahahahahahaha |
| 06:10.58 | ProphetPX | ok raden :) |
| 06:10.58 | raden | ProphetPX, i use mysql, php, terminal, kate and a few other apps |
| 06:11.09 | valdyn | ProphetPX: add to that that a 386SX was not even real 32 bit |
| 06:11.10 | ProphetPX | my bad lol |
| 06:11.15 | ProphetPX | I KNOW! |
| 06:11.23 | raden | ProphetPX, my pentium m 1.8 is plenty fast |
| 06:11.35 | raden | i just feel like building another machine |
| 06:11.36 | kevix | superlinux: man nice ? |
| 06:11.40 | ProphetPX | its just ... why not future-proof things instead of ... eh ... conservatism lol |
| 06:11.54 | superlinux | kevix, not just nice |
| 06:11.55 | ProphetPX | I dunno |
| 06:11.57 | raden | ProphetPX, thats what i was thinking :) |
| 06:12.02 | valdyn | ProphetPX: future proof is truely silly considering moores law |
| 06:12.07 | raden | its like hmmm 80 $ wtf |
| 06:12.12 | raden | i spend that in a week on gas |
| 06:12.17 | ProphetPX | moore's law has also become silly :-) |
| 06:12.18 | dondelelcaro | ProphetPX: there's nothing wrong with writing the code to run on a 64 bit platform, it's just that if you don't need to address more than 32 bits of memory it's kind of pointless. |
| 06:12.29 | raden | but i gotta go bros 7 hours till i gotta waki for work |
| 06:12.47 | superlinux | e.g like when I run "make" there is the "gcc" command it pops up from time to time |
| 06:13.07 | superlinux | but gcc is not always on realtime but on normal |
| 06:13.25 | ProphetPX | once you reach the atomic level you can only do so much :) |
| 06:13.25 | valdyn | superlinux: why the hell should gcc be on realtime? |
| 06:13.42 | kevix | superlinux: apt-cache info distcc ? |
| 06:13.50 | superlinux | I wanna finish up quickly |
| 06:14.05 | valdyn | superlinux: that isnt what realtime is for |
| 06:14.12 | raden | LOL night guy |
| 06:14.13 | raden | s |
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| 06:15.06 | superlinux | valdyn, any way I wanna raise the priority to fini quicklier |
| 06:15.08 | rrk | anyone around to help with an apt problem? |
| 06:15.14 | valdyn | superlinux: no, dont touch it |
| 06:15.20 | superlinux | y? |
| 06:15.20 | dondelelcaro | rrk: are you still having that issue? |
| 06:15.23 | superlinux | why? |
| 06:15.24 | valdyn | superlinux: its pointless, its stupid |
| 06:15.26 | rrk | yep |
| 06:15.47 | rrk | sources list is clean |
| 06:15.52 | dondelelcaro | rrk: refresh my memory again with the current issue and the output from the apt-get install -f; run and the apt-cache policy; output from whatever is being installed |
| 06:15.57 | superlinux | just explain more plz |
| 06:16.02 | dondelelcaro | rrk: it may be faster to use the paster bot to do that |
| 06:16.03 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 06:16.04 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
| 06:16.15 | valdyn | superlinux: dont run other tasks that do take disk io or cpu, then your compiling will be about as quick as it gets |
| 06:16.27 | valdyn | superlinux: messing with priorities doesnt do much good in that case |
| 06:16.51 | superlinux | well I wanna fini the kernel compile as fast as I can |
| 06:17.08 | superlinux | and I have 1GB RAM and AMD 2000MHz |
| 06:17.10 | valdyn | superlinux: so run make already, this disucussion is killing time |
| 06:17.13 | superlinux | so why not? |
| 06:17.20 | superlinux | ok |
| 06:17.26 | superlinux | nevermind |
| 06:17.51 | Noboru | i run /etc/init.d/mysql restart it says error: 'Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' (Using password: YES)' |
| 06:17.57 | kevix | superlinux: distcc is supposed to help |
| 06:18.02 | Noboru | But i could that a while ago though |
| 06:18.02 | superlinux | ok |
| 06:18.10 | valdyn | superlinux: running gcc at max priority would disable you from using IRC probably though, if that is what you want... |
| 06:18.12 | Noboru | i could do that* |
| 06:18.14 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: you've removed the debian-sys-maint user from mysql |
| 06:18.24 | stew | Noboru: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server*/README.Debian |
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| 06:18.28 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: add back the user and/or correct the password. |
| 06:18.35 | superlinux | yea don't care |
| 06:18.41 | Noboru | I see,let me try |
| 06:18.45 | superlinux | Ill will wait and wtch tv |
| 06:19.22 | kevix | dondelelcaro: would he get that error if he ran in as a non-root user ? |
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| 06:19.53 | dondelelcaro | kevix: no |
| 06:20.06 | dondelelcaro | kevix: well, possibly... but you should see other issues too |
| 06:20.29 | dondelelcaro | (like it should fail before it actually read the conffile with the password) |
| 06:20.31 | rrk | dondelelcardo i used paster but don't see anouncement |
| 06:20.41 | dondelelcaro | rrk: yeah, the anouncement is disabled; just tell me the url |
| 06:20.44 | dondelelcaro | (or the channel) |
| 06:20.52 | rrk | 1 sec |
| 06:21.13 | rrk | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2700 |
| 06:21.14 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, it was abused, so I haven't had a chance to fix it to stop the abuse |
| 06:21.24 | rrk | roger |
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| 06:22.17 | dondelelcaro | rrk: ok; can you also give the output of 'apt-cache policy libc6-dev libc6 libdb4.3 libperl5.8 perl-base perl perl-suid psh libncurses5 libncurses5-dev;' |
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| 06:22.44 | dondelelcaro | rrk: iirc, you were also running libranet, not real Debian... |
| 06:23.01 | rrk | a couple of years ago |
| 06:23.03 | dondelelcaro | rrk: that sort of thing isn't supported here, because it's pretty much broken as designed |
| 06:23.14 | dondelelcaro | yeah... |
| 06:23.59 | Noboru | I don't know what to do now |
| 06:24.00 | rrk | this is an old box -- it has been my desk top for a long while |
| 06:24.24 | Noboru | strange is, it was okay to run delete from user where not (host="localhost" and user="root"); when i was on wndows in mysql |
| 06:24.28 | dondelelcaro | rrk: right; anyway, just give me that output... I'm just warning you that you may see problems in the future (and that we don't in general support it here) |
| 06:24.39 | rrk | okj |
| 06:25.10 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: that's because we use that user to see if it's safe to shut down the mysql server and do maintenance in cron jobs |
| 06:25.22 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: your windows install didn't bother to do any of that stuff. |
| 06:25.35 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, so that anonymous user should NOT be removed in debian ? |
| 06:25.52 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: the debian-sys-maint user should not be, yes. |
| 06:25.52 | stew | Noboru: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server*/README.Debian |
| 06:26.01 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: read the documents that stew has pointed out as well |
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| 06:27.59 | rrk | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2701 |
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| 06:29.03 | stew | yikes doesn't libc6-dev depend on a specific version of libc6 |
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| 06:29.36 | peterS | stew: yes, it does |
| 06:29.44 | owh | Now that I've cooled down a little, can someone please explain the following behaviour. I have a chrooted environment, which is in the process of becoming a debian root. I do an apt-get upgrade and lilo decides it's a good idea to mount the fstab, and start the process of writing boot blocks - it fails, but happily kills the existing boot partition. Is this a lilo "feature", or a chroot "feature". |
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| 06:30.15 | owh | I just spent the past 12 hours building a brick that is in Alaska and now requires someone to go on site - I'm in Australia. Thanks to that "feature". |
| 06:30.24 | peterS | owh: last time I installed or upgraded lilo, it asked me whether I wanted to install a boot block |
| 06:30.35 | dondelelcaro | rrk: right, so you need to do this: apt-get install libc6=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 libc6-dev=2.3.2ds1-22sarge3 libdb4.3=4.3.27-2 libperl5.8=5.8.4-8sarge4 perl-base=5.8.4-8sarge4 perl-suid=5.8.4-8sarge4 psh=1.8-4 libncurses5-dev=5.4-4 |
| 06:30.46 | rrk | ok |
| 06:30.47 | owh | peterS: Yeah, it did that to me as well, but only after it fsked it up for me. |
| 06:31.08 | owh | peterS: At that point it had already killed the boot partition. |
| 06:31.36 | dondelelcaro | owh: lilo shouldn't touch the boot partition... it will nuke the MBR or boot block though |
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| 06:31.55 | owh | dondelelcaro: Even in a chrooted environment? |
| 06:32.04 | dondelelcaro | owh: yerp, if you install it it will |
| 06:32.15 | dondelelcaro | owh: it can't tell the difference between being in a chroot and outside of it |
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| 06:32.51 | rrk | dondelelcaro have an error apt-get install libc6=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 libc6-dev=2.3.2ds1-22sarge3 libdb4.3=4.3.27-2 libperl5.8=5.8.4-8sarge4 perl-base=5.8.4-8sarge4 perl-suid=5.8.4-8sarge4 psh=1.8-4 libncurses5-dev=5.4-4 |
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| 06:32.52 | wm | Has anyone use VT8251 SATA Drivers sucessfully on debian before? |
| 06:32.52 | owh | dondelelcaro: Should it at least ask me to make a change to my drive? |
| 06:32.52 | rrk | sorry |
| 06:33.02 | dondelelcaro | rrk: paste the full command with the error |
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| 06:33.02 | dondelelcaro | rrk: I may have typoed, or you may have |
| 06:33.02 | rrk | ok |
| 06:33.41 | owh | dondelelcaro: It was pretty unexpected behaviour. I installed an update which installed lilo which then went and helped itself to my drive. |
| 06:34.11 | dondelelcaro | owh: the debootstrap probably already had lilo installed; it just may not have run the postinst for lilo |
| 06:34.27 | rrk | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2702 |
| 06:34.34 | owh | dondelelcaro: So then my update came along and "fixed" that :-) |
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| 06:35.09 | dondelelcaro | rrk: that's should be libc6-dev=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 (missing .) |
| 06:35.21 | dondelelcaro | rrk: right, so you need to do this: apt-get install libc6=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 libc6-dev=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 libdb4.3=4.3.27-2 libperl5.8=5.8.4-8sarge4 perl-base=5.8.4-8sarge4 perl-suid=5.8.4-8sarge4 psh=1.8-4 libncurses5-dev=5.4-4; if it helps |
| 06:35.23 | rrk | ok |
| 06:35.29 | owh | dondelelcaro: The thing that got me, and I spent an hour finding it, was that the /boot partition was mounted, even though I never did. |
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| 06:35.52 | dondelelcaro | owh: hrm... that's a bit strange |
| 06:35.56 | liable | i thought lilo tells you to run lilconfig when it installs? |
| 06:36.18 | owh | dondelelcaro: The thing that made me find it was the unmounting of the chrooted swap volume showing "device busy", which then turned out to be because /boot was mounted over the top of it. |
| 06:36.31 | konfuzed | ok so I think i read that the apt system has change - whats the best command line to review all the packages and add the set of packages we want |
| 06:36.37 | owh | liable: That's what it did, but by then it had already tried to help me :-( |
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| 06:36.43 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: aptitude |
| 06:37.11 | liable | owh: hrm, so it wrote to your mbr when it installed? |
| 06:37.40 | dondelelcaro | liable: well, what it does is it mounts /boot and then copies over the new .bmp and stuff; it pretty much has to do that |
| 06:37.42 | owh | liable: No, that was afterwards, when it had already mounted the /boot partition. |
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| 06:38.18 | pitill0 | hi, good morning. Is there the Escreen package in sarge? |
| 06:38.22 | dondelelcaro | assuming the fstab is right, it shouldn't screw anything up... but if it's not, scary things can happen |
| 06:38.30 | owh | I thought and expected that it would talk to me before mounting stuff. In fact the lilo.conf file it created didn't have any reference to the boot partition. |
| 06:38.47 | dondelelcaro | owh: yeah, it just checks fstab, mounts it, and puts the boot.bmp and right symlinks in place |
| 06:38.54 | rrk | dondelecaro slightly diff error did try apt-get -f install after it error and cmd http://channels.debian.net/paste/2703 |
| 06:38.55 | liable | it writes to /boot is ok, but it shouldnt touch the mbr without being told, or does it? |
| 06:38.56 | konfuzed | ok so without a desktop installed why did the default set of packages install xfree86 ? |
| 06:39.01 | owh | dondelelcaro: The fstab was right for when the machine was going to be running, but not while the install was happening. |
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| 06:39.15 | dondelelcaro | owh: the chroot's fstab? |
| 06:39.22 | owh | dondelelcaro: Yup. |
| 06:39.35 | rrk | ouch |
| 06:39.46 | dondelelcaro | rrk: there should be a perl=5.8.4-8sarge4 there too |
| 06:39.52 | owh | dondelelcaro: I would have thought that it would at least think to ask me before it started mounting stuff. |
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| 06:40.06 | dondelelcaro | rrk: and a libperl-dev=5.8.4-8sarge4 |
| 06:40.36 | dondelelcaro | rrk: and possibly a locales=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 |
| 06:40.51 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: it probably didn't. |
| 06:40.56 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: xfree86-common != xfree86. |
| 06:41.11 | dondelelcaro | liable: it shouldn't |
| 06:41.28 | owh | dondelelcaro: The upshot of this was that the /boot partition was blown away, thus the original install is no longer bootable, thus I cannot troubleshoot it from here, thus now I need someone to go into the sever room, connect a head and keyboard and have a look see :-( |
| 06:41.34 | konfuzed | does the system need it for some thing or can I just remove it |
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| 06:41.44 | dondelelcaro | owh: /boot shouldn't have been blown away... |
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| 06:41.53 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: if it was installed, something depends on it. |
| 06:41.59 | owh | dondelelcaro: I know, so is this a lilo bug, or a chroot one :-) |
| 06:42.00 | konfuzed | ok so i just checked and xfree86-common is listed in the installled category |
| 06:42.04 | cam | is there a pkg to run a "no-ip" like server ? |
| 06:42.06 | konfuzed | ok |
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| 06:42.18 | dondelelcaro | owh: I don't know, not knowing exactly which version of lilo you were installing or the state that it failed in |
| 06:42.27 | konfuzed | but during the get and setup phase simply xfree86 was listed |
| 06:42.33 | dondelelcaro | this is one of the reasons why I hate systems without serial terminals |
| 06:42.43 | konfuzed | made me wonder what its doing there |
| 06:42.49 | owh | dondelelcaro: You and me both. |
| 06:43.00 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: dpkg -l xserver-free86; |
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| 06:43.40 | owh | dondelelcaro: "Preparing to replace lilo 1:22.2-3 (using .../lilo_1%3a22.6.1-6.2_i386.deb) ..." |
| 06:44.03 | owh | dondelelcaro: I made a copy of my ssh session, thought it might be handy :-) |
| 06:44.08 | maxb | At what hour does britney run? |
| 06:44.24 | dondelelcaro | maxb: it may miss todays run because spohr rebooted |
| 06:44.38 | dondelelcaro | owh: yeah, that's it just installing a new version of lilo |
| 06:44.41 | owh | maxb: Depends on her schedule and her state of marriage ? |
| 06:45.29 | maxb | dondelelcaro: Oh, that explains it. Thanks. |
| 06:45.33 | owh | dondelelcaro: It fails like this: "mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /boot busy dpkg: error processing lilo (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 32" |
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| 06:45.52 | owh | dondelelcaro: And that message comes after it tells me to run liloconfig and /sbin/lilo |
| 06:45.54 | dondelelcaro | owh: oh, it didn't even suceed to mount... so it couldn't have blown away anything |
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| 06:46.16 | dondelelcaro | owh: at the instant that the mount failed, it stoped |
| 06:46.38 | dondelelcaro | since those scripts are all -e |
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| 06:47.12 | konfuzed | no packages found |
| 06:47.25 | konfuzed | so hm |
| 06:47.30 | konfuzed | good news there |
| 06:47.37 | owh | dondelelcaro: The only problem is that that reference is the first reference to /dev/sda1 in the log. Hmm, that starts in the middle of the configuring of mail, so it's not complete :-( |
| 06:48.10 | dondelelcaro | sure, that's just because it's trying to read the fstab to mount it, but because it can't, it fails, and stopes. |
| 06:48.23 | kevix | maxb: I recall someone blogged about a web page that showed when britney runs.. maybe ask in -devel ? |
| 06:48.49 | owh | dondelelcaro: I'm guessing that lilo had already mounted it when it installed the woody version in the first place, that couldn't update the mount table, since mount showed nothing mounted, so the next time it complains. |
| 06:48.56 | dondelelcaro | if you really care, I can tell you... just a second |
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| 06:50.11 | owh | dondelelcaro: So, we don't have a smoking gun. I suppose that's good for the person who should get the result of that :-) (I mean safer :-) |
| 06:50.35 | owh | dondelelcaro: I suppose I should laugh and chalk it up to experience. |
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| 06:51.17 | rrk | no education worth a hoot is cheap or painless |
| 06:51.30 | owh | rrk: Don't I know it :-) |
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| 06:51.49 | dondelelcaro | owh: heh. it just makes me interested in what actually failed in your case |
| 06:52.08 | dondelelcaro | but early boot problems are the most annoying to debug |
| 06:52.16 | rrk | dondelecaro still error but smaller http://channels.debian.net/paste/2704. |
| 06:52.17 | dondelelcaro | rrk: anyway, did those additions fix your issue? |
| 06:52.24 | chump | hey how can i completely remove noatun |
| 06:52.26 | rrk | no |
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| 06:53.05 | owh | dondelelcaro: Me too. Especially because I thought I had it all sorted, the SCSI drivers, the Ethernet drivers, the boot partition, the boot block. I suppose I must have forgotten to run "apt-get install magic-boot-potion" |
| 06:53.09 | dondelelcaro | rrk: you need libperl-dev=5.8.4-8sarge4 perl=5.8.4-8sarge4 libterm-readline-gnu-perl; |
| 06:53.27 | rrk | ok |
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| 06:53.47 | dondelelcaro | owh: yeah... YA reason to always specify serial consoles |
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| 06:53.57 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, and stew ,thanks,it's fixed :) |
| 06:54.11 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: cool |
| 06:54.23 | Vasistha | chump: apt-get remove --purge noatun ... unless you use aptitude |
| 06:54.28 | dondelelcaro | maxb: anyway, it looks like it runs somewhere around 1600 PDT |
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| 06:54.50 | dondelelcaro | I can't see the actual crontab, unfortunatly |
| 06:55.01 | owh | dondelelcaro: Ok, so in 13 hours there's going to be a body there to play. All I hope is that he can plug his laptop into the net and can burn CD's :-) |
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| 06:55.21 | chump | hey if i'm in IRC channelt hat uses the @find feature |
| 06:55.28 | chump | the results come back as echo's |
| 06:55.36 | chump | does any one know how to have them come back as PM's |
| 06:55.41 | owh | dondelelcaro: To think, I even remembered to rebuild the initrd with the SCSI modules :-) |
| 06:56.04 | dondelelcaro | chump: /msg dpkg find foobarbaz; |
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| 06:56.26 | rrk | dondelecaro smaller error http://channels.debian.net/paste/2705 |
| 06:56.32 | owh | dondelelcaro: I think I should petition IBM to start using linux in their BIOS :-) |
| 06:56.58 | chump | foobarbaz |
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| 06:57.05 | Noboru | How do i check what packages are installed ? |
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| 06:57.11 | dondelelcaro | rrk: oh, you'll have to add perl-modules=5.8.4-8sarge4 perl-doc=5.8.4-8sarge4; do that for anything else perl related that shows up |
| 06:57.14 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 06:57.14 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 06:57.21 | kevix | owh: like 'linuxbios' ? |
| 06:57.24 | wm | Linux in a bios? wtf!!! |
| 06:57.30 | Noboru | dpkg -l, got it |
| 06:57.47 | simonrvn | and maybe stop using a bios ... ;) |
| 06:57.48 | Vasistha | owh: there's actually a bit of tension with the FSF and bios manufacturers, I don't know if there are any "free" bioses available. companies have been pretty uncooperative |
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| 06:57.58 | owh | kevix: Yeah, but from the factory, not after the fact - not sure I want to be the guy building a brick :-) |
| 06:57.58 | chump | dondlelcaro what is foobarbaz |
| 06:58.00 | chump | i can't find it? |
| 06:58.04 | simonrvn | there are, but dev is slow-ish |
| 06:58.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell chump -about search |
| 06:58.15 | ProphetPX | aha! I finally have X working ... BRBR |
| 06:58.25 | simonrvn | Vasistha: ^^ |
| 06:58.30 | owh | wm: It makes life so much easier :) |
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| 06:58.42 | Noboru | hi dondelelcaro my email from debian security tells me there is a remote overflow in typespeed,but i use dpkg -l i dont find this one,means i do not need to do anything ? |
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| 06:58.49 | owh | Vasistha: Yeah, they don't want to give up their 1970's code :-) |
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| 06:58.55 | ProphetPX | saveirc |
| 06:58.57 | ProphetPX | oops lol |
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| 06:59.02 | Vasistha | simonrvn: well.. I'm referring to the hardware side of things. Were you as well? |
| 06:59.08 | simonrvn | no firmware |
| 06:59.17 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: if you've got 0.4.4-8sarge1 installed, you're good |
| 06:59.19 | simonrvn | "no, " even |
| 06:59.28 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: dpkg -l typespeed; will tell you. |
| 06:59.41 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, i do not have that one installed at all |
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| 06:59.45 | Vasistha | simonrvn: I kinda thought. Yeah, I remember reading about that, actually quite recently. As an agitating example, I -hate- dell bioses... |
| 06:59.55 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: then you don't care about that DSA |
| 06:59.56 | simonrvn | as to h/w, i don't keep track of things much - new stuff. and the little i do is ppc-centric |
| 07:00.03 | owh | Next I'll petition IBM to start shipping Debian on their servers :-) |
| 07:00.06 | Noboru | :) |
| 07:00.27 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: I'd suggest installing cron-apt or similar, and having it e-mail you when there are security packages that you should be installing... tends to be more useful |
| 07:00.37 | kevix | Noboru: sometimes 'dpkg -l ...' can truncate; I like 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l ...' or 'dpkg --get-selections' |
| 07:00.45 | simonrvn | Vasistha: i've had some experience with some recent dell BIOSes, and yes they do suck |
| 07:00.47 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, so copy with it, in the future in using of deiban i just follow the instructions in mail from debian that will patch my system pretty well ? |
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| 07:01.06 | owh | And to think that the machine came with SuSE, the guys who bought it couldn't figure out how to install the Ethernet drivers, decided to install a 2003 copy of RedHat and had the same problem. All they needed to do was phone IBM :-( |
| 07:01.06 | simonrvn | i dislike the idea of a bios. i feel more comfortable in OF |
| 07:01.07 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: you don't even have to; just add a security line to your sources.list, and apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; |
| 07:01.20 | Vasistha | simonrvn: well I can tell you the older ones suck too :-) |
| 07:01.27 | simonrvn | ok :) |
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| 07:01.36 | owh | simonrvn: At the end of the day I don't really think that it matters. |
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| 07:01.51 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, THis one ? deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 07:01.55 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: yes. |
| 07:01.58 | Vasistha | simonrvn: what is OF? |
| 07:02.08 | owh | Vasistha: OpenFirmware. |
| 07:02.11 | pgmr | whats a good image viewer? I'd like something that'll view practically anything with command <file> |
| 07:02.17 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, i canot believe it,is this simple ? |
| 07:02.20 | dondelelcaro | pgmr: feh, or display. |
| 07:02.24 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: yes, it is. |
| 07:02.24 | owh | Vasistha: Macs featured it heavily for a while. |
| 07:02.28 | Noboru | cool |
| 07:02.35 | simonrvn | owh: matters to me; mostly because of the flexibility |
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| 07:02.38 | Vasistha | pgmr: I like kuickshow, myself |
| 07:02.41 | owh | Not sure if any non-Mac's ever used it. |
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| 07:02.47 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: if you use cron-apt; you can even have your machine download them automatically and e-mail you when they're ready. |
| 07:02.54 | dondelelcaro | owh: suns used it iirc; possibly sgi too |
| 07:02.57 | CoolCubix | If I have a monitor which specifies "50-60Hz" for refresh, what should I precisely do on "Hsync" and "Vrefresh" settings ? I tried to set both at 50-60 but I doesn't work :( |
| 07:03.00 | dondelelcaro | as did most chrp machines |
| 07:03.01 | dn4 | what are good ways to generate money? |
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| 07:03.04 | owh | simonrvn: In what way, can you explain, since from where I'm sitting I don't see a difference. |
| 07:03.10 | dondelelcaro | dn4: that's way OT for this channel |
| 07:03.15 | pgmr | ah, I'll start with feh, thx |
| 07:03.34 | dondelelcaro | pgmr: feh is better (IMO), but display can show almost everything. |
| 07:03.38 | dn4 | arg, I want to buy a tropical island so I am brain storming! |
| 07:03.38 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, downloading it |
| 07:03.46 | Noboru | done |
| 07:03.50 | dondelelcaro | dn4: great, try ##linux |
| 07:04.00 | owh | dondelelcaro: But the chrp machines were Macs were they not, that is, PowerPC based running MacOS? |
| 07:04.12 | dondelelcaro | owh: no, they weren't... |
| 07:04.23 | owh | dondelelcaro: I didn't know that. |
| 07:04.28 | kevix | dondelelcaro: didn't ibm make some... |
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| 07:04.36 | dondelelcaro | AFAIK, most of the CHRP machines didn't even have a Macintosh firmware |
| 07:04.37 | simonrvn | owh: i'll ask you this before i answer. why don't you see a difference? is it because of what their purposes are POV, or "same shit, different pile" thing? |
| 07:04.50 | Vasistha | CoolCubix: I'll look mine up, just a moment |
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| 07:05.07 | nadjyla | hello :) |
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| 07:05.17 | dondelelcaro | so they were incapable of running pre X macos... but that's a bit far afield. ;-) |
| 07:05.17 | simonrvn | the mac ppcs are/were their own sub-arch. they're a prep/chrp hybrid. |
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| 07:05.27 | owh | simonrvn: I suspect I thought that it was "software on a device that makes it boot", but I suspect I'm wrong. |
| 07:05.53 | dondelelcaro | rrk: anyway, hopefully that fixed it for you... if not, ask and someone else here can give you a head. |
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| 07:05.56 | dondelelcaro | s/head/hand/ |
| 07:05.57 | simonrvn | eh, not quite. have you delved into the inner stuff? rather interesting |
| 07:05.57 | harshalfdfd | whenever i click a link in thuderbird, i want it open in firefox, how to do that? |
| 07:06.00 | owh | simonrvn: So, that would be "same shit, different pile" |
| 07:06.07 | simonrvn | hehe, ok |
| 07:06.15 | owh | simonrvn: No, but I'm game. |
| 07:06.16 | Vasistha | harshalfdfd: are you using kde, gnome, ? |
| 07:06.20 | harshalfdfd | kde |
| 07:06.25 | simonrvn | it's fun actually |
| 07:06.27 | harshalfdfd | vasistha:kde |
| 07:06.44 | kevix | harshalfdfd: gnome/kde have control panels that say what to launch for web page, iirc. |
| 07:06.49 | owh | simonrvn: Bring it on. My day has already gone to shit, might as well learn something :-) |
| 07:06.55 | kevix | owh: apple ! |
| 07:07.03 | simonrvn | a bios you're limited to what they programmed. in of you can add stuff to it. it's just a derivative of forth |
| 07:07.06 | harshalfdfd | kevix:thanks, i will look into that. thanks a lot. |
| 07:07.11 | neoxan | good morning guys |
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| 07:07.31 | simonrvn | (mostly forth, understands other languages) |
| 07:07.35 | Vasistha | CoolCubix: mine saye HorizSync 30-60 and VertRefresh 50-75 ... that's XFree, not X.org, and I'm actually using a laptop display... but those values might work for you, they ought to at least be safe |
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| 07:08.00 | CoolCubix | Vasistha> okay, thanks. In fact, that's for a dual-screen configuration |
| 07:08.09 | kevix | CoolCubix: did you try 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' (if you are using xorg) |
| 07:08.17 | Vasistha | CoolCubix: well you'll probably want to have similar settings for both monitors, right? |
| 07:08.30 | owh | simonrvn: So, we're really talking about a device that gets shipped "one size fits all." |
| 07:08.39 | CoolCubix | kevix> i tried it but the configure utility crashes before asking me my screen values :( |
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| 07:08.52 | CoolCubix | Vasistha> no, not at all |
| 07:09.02 | kevix | CoolCubix: what kind of card does 'lspci' say? |
| 07:09.04 | CoolCubix | they are very different monitors |
| 07:09.12 | simonrvn | owh: eh? |
| 07:09.13 | rrk | dondelelcaro that got it is fixed |
| 07:09.23 | Vasistha | CoolCubix: heh ... interesting :-) I can believe different resolutions, but drastically different refresh rates... well, why not, I guess! |
| 07:09.39 | CoolCubix | kevix> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] and 0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] (Secondary) |
| 07:09.43 | rrk | i'm trying to run thru the post mortem so i understand the fix for next time |
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| 07:10.00 | owh | simonrvn: I mean, a BIOS is fixed, you get what you get. Open Firmware is an "environment" where you can do stuff. |
| 07:10.12 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 07:10.14 | owh | simonrvn: Or am I missing your point? |
| 07:10.37 | simonrvn | it *is* an environment. |
| 07:10.41 | CoolCubix | Vasistha> the problem is, i set the 2nd monitor to 50-60Hz, and the screen has odd movements. It really seems to be a refresh problem |
| 07:10.41 | kevix | CoolCubix: you may have to include the PCI id's |
| 07:10.52 | owh | simonrvn: So, a BIOS is like a single use application, where Open Firmware allows you to run what ever you need to. |
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| 07:11.38 | CoolCubix | kevix> even if they are on the same video card ? |
| 07:11.44 | simonrvn | well of course the box has its own pre-programmed firmware, but depending on the implementation (some are better than others) yes |
| 07:11.59 | kevix | CoolCubix: on occassion, I like to stop X and try 'X -configure' |
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| 07:12.18 | Vasistha | CoolCubix: are you sure your card is capable of running different refresh rates on the different monitors, in addition to different resolutions? |
| 07:12.18 | CoolCubix | kevix> i ran aticonfig to set big desktop |
| 07:12.22 | deadcat | simonrvn: check ppc channel please |
| 07:12.23 | kevix | CoolCubix: not sure about the ID's on the same card. |
| 07:12.31 | owh | simonrvn: Ok, so in reality, how can you use Open Firmware. I'm not trying to be funny, the OS deals with drivers, what does an OF environment give you? |
| 07:12.32 | CoolCubix | Vasistha> well, it should... |
| 07:12.57 | rrk | the low level interface to the actual hardware |
| 07:12.58 | CoolCubix | Vasistha> i have something on the second screen |
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| 07:13.31 | CoolCubix | oops ^^ wrong manip' |
| 07:13.43 | owh | rrk: So, doesn't that give you more headaches? I mean, your kernel still needs drivers to talk to the device anyway? |
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| 07:13.56 | rrk | yes |
| 07:14.07 | deadcat | !adb |
| 07:14.08 | rrk | but there is a lower level still |
| 07:14.18 | simonrvn | owh: i know for a fact, on a mac, OF has scanned everything even before you hear that boing sound, and is ready to access by OF, or any client (for linux that would be yaboot and quik [bootloaders], which in turn load the kernel into mem) |
| 07:14.22 | owh | rrk: This does not surprise me :-) |
| 07:14.25 | CoolCubix | the first screen shows everything normal, gdm, etc... the second (even with a bad refresh rate, i can see it) have a grey screen with, sometimes, my cursor |
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| 07:15.11 | rrk | owh i have been at this as long as you but on the hardware side |
| 07:15.13 | owh | I'm trying to get my head around this. I can sort of see a benefit, but I cannot put my finger on it. |
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| 07:15.49 | rrk | one good example is the acpi routines that don't from board to board |
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| 07:16.18 | Vasistha | rrk: don't *change* from board to board? |
| 07:16.41 | rrk | ok bad choice of words bios to bios |
| 07:16.59 | owh | rrk: Can you elaborate? |
| 07:17.08 | rrk | no standard bios level api |
| 07:17.12 | Vasistha | I'd say that's an enormous advantage, I understand acpi implementations are pretty spotty, wouldn't it be wonderful if the same interface just worked for all computers? |
| 07:17.25 | rrk | yep |
| 07:17.56 | rrk | different bios mfgs impelment the power control differently |
| 07:18.02 | owh | Am I correct in understanding that if the BIOS manufacturers pulled their finger out this would not be an issue? |
| 07:18.11 | sinattaj | hi all, |
| 07:18.11 | sinattaj | i am working with a clustered software that needs to rsh as "root" into every nodes of cluster (before advising on ssh or something else, i must say that all machines are in an isolated network and there is no security risk at all). |
| 07:18.11 | sinattaj | i added "machine-name root" string in .rhosts file in root's home of all nodes, but it does not work. also i remarked this line in /etc/pam.d/rsh : |
| 07:18.11 | sinattaj | "auth required pam_nologin.so" |
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| 07:18.33 | rrk | yes |
| 07:18.36 | owh | Or am I missing the point? |
| 07:18.38 | simonrvn | the only diff is that a say, pci card has to have a OF-grokkable firmware. unfortunately, because the licence for it is mucho $$, it costs more. i think that's due to a combo of commercial interests, and lack of widespread use |
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| 07:19.29 | simonrvn | owh: i think so. ultimately it would be cheaper for everyone involved - IMO - to have something that's easier to program, and open spec'ed |
| 07:19.33 | owh | simonrvn: So, what OF gives you is that the card manufacturer has more control over providing an API to their board, rather than having to wade through the mire that is the BIOS? |
| 07:19.39 | rrk | a bios makes or breaks a given machine i can get better performace cycle for out of the older ibms |
| 07:19.58 | owh | simonrvn: So, a new board can be better supported sooner? |
| 07:19.59 | simonrvn | for instance |
| 07:20.07 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 07:20.16 | rrk | yep |
| 07:20.26 | owh | simonrvn: So we're talking about development cycle more than anything? |
| 07:20.32 | simonrvn | partially |
| 07:20.45 | rrk | an open development cycle |
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| 07:21.21 | simonrvn | and there is (are?) F/OSS (for lack of a better term, i'll use that) OF implementation(s) |
| 07:21.25 | owh | ie, I build a spanky new RAID card, but I cannot make it sing because I need to use the BIOS interface to talk to the kernel, rather than provide my own OF bits to talk to the kernel directly? |
| 07:21.29 | Vasistha | well it's also an advantage to kernel acpi implementations, and any other software that deals directly with bios or of |
| 07:21.39 | rrk | ibm was about the only company that had a custom bios for each machine instead of a one size fits all |
| 07:21.39 | Vasistha | ...right? |
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| 07:22.14 | rrk | owh is lower than that |
| 07:22.17 | simonrvn | owh: in OF, that card would be ready to access already, with the proper FCode, and a kernel driver |
| 07:22.25 | owh | rrk: So, when my kernel is talking to my RAID card, it isn't really, it's talking to BIOS? |
| 07:22.34 | rrk | no |
| 07:22.43 | simonrvn | yeh, much lower. it's one step away from bare metal |
| 07:23.00 | owh | rrk: Can you give me a more complete layer list? |
| 07:23.08 | rrk | the land of bits bytes and bummers |
| 07:23.16 | owh | rrk: I suspect my picture has a whopping big hole in it :-) |
| 07:23.28 | Vasistha | well, there's the bus |
| 07:23.32 | rrk | i'll try |
| 07:23.38 | owh | rrk: Cool. |
| 07:23.46 | simonrvn | h/w -> OF -> linux/other kernel |
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| 07:23.56 | simonrvn | more or less, skipping some |
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| 07:24.25 | owh | simonrvn: But my picture allows me to s/OF/BIOS/ and I gather that this is not correct :-) |
| 07:24.28 | Vasistha | simonrvn: in that picture, there is no difference between BIOS and OF, right? |
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| 07:24.44 | simonrvn | in function, no. |
| 07:25.11 | Vasistha | owh, simonrvn, rrk: hey, you guys want to move to #off-topic ? |
| 07:25.12 | rrk | lets try a realtime clock the kernel expects a software interupt that is actually a hard interupt processed by the bios that then fires the soft interupt |
| 07:25.15 | harshalfdfd | hi, i wanted one advice on vertualization. i would to run windows which is on other partition within debian. qemu? any other? |
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| 07:25.26 | owh | Vasistha: Sure, fine by me. |
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| 07:26.52 | simonrvn | they both have the same function: provide some configurability, diagnostics, and other tools to the user, speaking indirectly to the h/w, setting up some basic parameters for proper function. thing is with OF, it's "smarter", and isn't limited to 1 MB or whatever size a BIOS is |
| 07:27.02 | liable | harshalfdfd: vmware? |
| 07:27.06 | simonrvn | actually, i need to ZZZz soon |
| 07:27.07 | dirakx | #off-toic |
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| 07:27.21 | owh | simonrvn: Wr're next door... |
| 07:27.23 | harshalfdfd | liable: i dont think its free, i want it for personal comp |
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| 07:27.32 | deadcat | if i have a usb bluetooth adaptor.. can i talk to any bluetooth devices or some protocols required? |
| 07:27.34 | liable | harshalfdfd: i believe the cvs is free |
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| 07:28.03 | harshalfdfd | liable: thanks for advice, what do u think about qemu? |
| 07:28.17 | liable | deadcat: just need the bluez tools and kernel modules. |
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| 07:28.27 | liable | harshalfdfd: never used it actually. |
| 07:28.36 | liable | nor vmware |
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| 07:28.57 | deadcat | liable: damn. i should have bought that device when it was dirt cheap. )= |
| 07:29.12 | harshalfdfd | liable: ok. thanks. i will chekc vmware. if its free then its there on my machine :) |
| 07:29.18 | kimo | Hi, where do I find more info about 'PEM, CRT, CSR, ...' files related to digital signature? |
| 07:29.24 | kimo | harshalfdfd: it is |
| 07:29.26 | iKernel | Crap, I just killed a game because it was causing trouble, now I can't move my mouse. Now, I just finished compiling something by doing: `./configure --enable-sdl; make; while true; do echo "done" | wall; done |
| 07:29.39 | harshalfdfd | kimo:thanks, checking out vmware |
| 07:29.52 | iKernel | So now, I can't choose the correct tab in the terminal to ctrl c it! |
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| 07:30.03 | kimo | iKernel: ctrl+pgup |
| 07:30.10 | kimo | iKernel: or ALT+2 |
| 07:30.21 | iKernel | thanks man |
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| 07:31.06 | kimo | any recommendations to find more info about 'PEM, CRT, CSR, ...' files related to digital signature? |
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| 07:31.25 | SJr|Tecra | I can't seem to get vlc to installed, with testing... |
| 07:31.25 | iKernel | Right. Now, does anyone know how I can regain control of mouse without killall -9 xorg or ctrl+alt+backspace? |
| 07:31.29 | SJr|Tecra | Any ideas? |
| 07:31.32 | kevix | kimo: gpg ? |
| 07:32.14 | iKernel | bah, brb |
| 07:32.16 | kimo | kevix: no gpg, rather digital certificates for email/website..? I need info explaining the role of different files PEM/CSR... |
| 07:32.21 | chealer | SJr|Tecra: what's the problem? |
| 07:32.34 | kevix | iKernel: sometimes, rmmod $MOUSE_STUFF;modprobe $MOUSE_STUFF |
| 07:32.39 | SJr|Tecra | just keep getting missing dependancies and that the package doesn't really exist |
| 07:32.48 | simonrvn | openssl docs |
| 07:33.09 | SJr|Tecra | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.15 | SJr|Tecra | hmmm sorry |
| 07:33.19 | chealer | !tell SJr|Tecra about bat |
| 07:33.23 | kimo | simonrvn: I'll take a look |
| 07:33.26 | MaliutaWrk | can anyone tell me where I can get a list of the uid's (the <1000 ones) assigned under debian? |
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| 07:33.44 | kimo | MaliutaWrk: /etc/passwd |
| 07:33.45 | deadcat | MaliutaWrk: /etc/passwd |
| 07:33.50 | SJr|Tecra | brb thanks chealer |
| 07:34.05 | kevix | !marillat |
| 07:34.05 | dpkg | methinks marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 07:34.33 | kevix | SJr|nx: have you used the marillat repo? ^^^^ |
| 07:34.43 | MaliutaWrk | kimo,deadcat: that is only for installed packages |
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| 07:35.13 | MaliutaWrk | unless I just create a user and stomp on something |
| 07:35.21 | MaliutaWrk | which I am trying to avoid |
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| 07:35.39 | deadcat | MaliutaWrk: normal users starts with 1000+ |
| 07:35.39 | zcat[1] | ubuntu |
| 07:35.43 | SJr|Nbook | what was that place to paste again, sorry I had to switch clients |
| 07:35.46 | zcat[1] | oops, wrong keyboard |
| 07:35.54 | SJr|Nbook | nm hold on |
| 07:36.04 | deadcat | zcat[1]: ubuntu user eh? |
| 07:36.23 | zcat[1] | currently banned from #ubuntu, but yeah... |
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| 07:36.31 | ends | lol |
| 07:36.38 | ends | i been banned from there before |
| 07:36.41 | MaliutaWrk | deadcat: true, I need to do something with a uid that will be set as a system level one (namedly nagios) |
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| 07:37.04 | rage | Hey, is there a place in /sys or /proc where the ip address of an interface is kept? |
| 07:37.04 | MaliutaWrk | deadcat: I would like to ensure that if I have to create the user it happens with the correct UID |
| 07:37.07 | pyrohotdog | Kay....I just installed the nvidia drivers...and now X won't launch. |
| 07:37.17 | deadcat | zcat[1]: (= what did you do? ask them something they cant asnwer? |
| 07:37.32 | pyrohotdog | "Can't locate module nvidia" |
| 07:37.34 | zcat[1] | said "OMG!!! Dapper!!!" |
| 07:37.40 | deadcat | haha |
| 07:37.47 | deadcat | pyrohotdog: install nvidia driver then |
| 07:37.58 | zcat[1] | (others were discussing ponies at the time..) |
| 07:37.58 | iKernel | deadcat, he just did |
| 07:38.05 | pyrohotdog | I did. |
| 07:38.07 | deadcat | modprobe -l |grep nvidia |
| 07:38.40 | pyrohotdog | nothing... |
| 07:38.41 | rage | I'd like to get the IP address of an interface into a variable for a little shell script I'm writing, I'd rather not extract it from ifconfig if at all possible, |
| 07:38.42 | zcat[1] | is there much hassle getting compiz going in debian these days? |
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| 07:39.17 | rage | if theres a place in /sys where it is located so I can sort of ip=`cat /sys/ipaddressthing` then that would be great |
| 07:39.17 | RvGaTe | morning... |
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| 07:39.35 | deadcat | pyrohotdog: if its installed. there should be something.. |
| 07:39.35 | litage | i'm storing account passwords encrypted in a database table. should i create a special function that will generate a special seed for each password, based on the password, or should i use the same seed for encrypting every password? |
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| 07:39.51 | zcat[1] | dapper was supposed to be released today. It's 8pm here and still no sign of it :( |
| 07:40.10 | wm | zcat[1] depends what time zone your in |
| 07:40.26 | zcat[1] | +12 :-) |
| 07:40.28 | chealer | zcat[1]: /topic |
| 07:40.35 | iKernel | zcat[1], 8 pm? I don't think that's possible, it's only 5 here |
| 07:40.55 | iKernel | zcat[1], and I live in victoria, aus |
| 07:40.58 | debian | zcat[1]: can't they get a better codename? :) |
| 07:40.59 | MaliutaWrk | FWIW I found it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
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| 07:41.13 | zcat[1] | Well (sorry, will try to observe topic, last comment) NZST and it's 7:40 pm .. |
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| 07:41.35 | iKernel | zcat[1], Anyway, our june 1st is probably different to their june 1st |
| 07:41.41 | rage | Okay, does anyone know a very simple way to get the ip address of an interface into a shell variable? |
| 07:41.53 | iKernel | rage, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 07:42.01 | iKernel | rage, and awk |
| 07:42.05 | simonrvn | t's called a timezone, and we're not all in the same one ;) |
| 07:42.06 | simonrvn | i |
| 07:42.06 | rage | yeah :-/ |
| 07:42.14 | pyrohotdog | deadcat: The install claimed success, but modprobe showed nothing... |
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| 07:42.46 | liable | pyrohotdog: no output from modprobe is a good thing |
| 07:42.57 | simonrvn | @wb karsten |
| 07:43.00 | liable | !silence |
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| 07:43.13 | deadcat | liable: should i just enable all the bluetooth drivers? |
| 07:43.21 | iKernel | simonrvn, Yeah but he lives in new zealand and I live in eastern australia, so we're pretty close |
| 07:43.39 | liable | deadcat: in kernel? |
| 07:43.45 | liable | yes |
| 07:43.45 | simonrvn | where's my fucking bot... |
| 07:43.52 | pyrohotdog | so what's up with my X server.... |
| 07:44.00 | deadcat | k |
| 07:44.22 | liable | deadcat: what is this thing? |
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| 07:45.19 | kevix | zcat[1]: read http://fridge.ubuntu.com for answers. |
| 07:45.21 | zcat[1] | Anyhow.. if it's worth anything I _used_ to run debian probably not much more than a year ago :) |
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| 07:47.47 | kevix | simonrvn: I think dick chaney shot your bird! |
| 07:47.52 | simonrvn | the box the mysqld lives on is dead atm, so no RB |
| 07:48.10 | simonrvn | kevix: that bastidges! |
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| 07:50.02 | zcat[1] | I dunno about you guys, but when politicians start shooting lawyers I personally think that's a positive move! |
| 07:50.45 | liable | just need to give each side access to weapons and booze and all our problems might be solved :) |
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| 07:50.57 | debian | zcat[1]: so does lawyers shooting politicians |
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| 07:51.12 | zcat[1] | well yeah, if the lawyers shot back it's be all win-win!! |
| 07:51.13 | kevix | liable: like aaron burr? |
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| 07:51.18 | redblades | Hi, how do I upgrade wget? |
| 07:51.19 | pyrohotdog | Do I have to edit my xf86config file? |
| 07:51.27 | liable | kevix: who is aaron burr? |
| 07:52.04 | debian | redblades: do you know how to perform upgrade? |
| 07:52.04 | kevix | redblades: have you every upgraded stuff in debian? |
| 07:52.04 | iKernel | redblades, apt-get install coreutils |
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| 07:52.17 | kevix | liable: IIRC one of the guy who was killed in a dule in the US. |
| 07:52.36 | simonrvn | what's a dule? |
| 07:52.40 | liable | duel? |
| 07:52.42 | etch4us | where can I d/load etch iso? |
| 07:52.55 | kevix | liable: must be dyslexia.. x-) |
| 07:53.02 | iKernel | kevix, he might actually be the guy who killed someone in a duel |
| 07:53.10 | liable | simonrvn: six guns at 50 paces :) |
| 07:53.11 | Vasistha | kevix, liable: was he the guy who challenged one of the first presidents to a duel, maybe john adams or something? |
| 07:53.19 | simonrvn | ok :) |
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| 07:53.42 | Vasistha | (one of the first -u.s.- presidents) |
| 07:53.43 | kevix | etch4us: etch is not released... so you mean the 'testing' iso |
| 07:53.49 | etch4us | yes |
| 07:54.05 | kevix | !cd-image |
| 07:54.12 | etch4us | uh huh |
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| 07:54.29 | simonrvn | merkin |
| 07:54.46 | etch4us | ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/etch/ |
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| 07:54.51 | etch4us | that ok? |
| 07:55.11 | debian | liable: just watch simpsons regularly |
| 07:55.27 | iKernel | kevix, Yeah, Burr killed Hamilton |
| 07:55.42 | liable | debian: oh, i do that religously :) |
| 07:55.55 | kevix | etch4us: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ ? |
| 07:56.04 | liable | debian: dont tell me it actually teaches me something :( |
| 07:56.05 | superlinux | from www.linux.com "The mouse, despite all of its admirable qualities, was created by a left-brained thinker and built for left-brained work. Mostly that's fine, but when it comes time to draw an icon or retouch a photograph, you'll be cursing your mouse as the worst input device imaginable -- awkward to hold, awkward to move with, and awkward to click. To get the right side of your brain happy, you need a pressure-sensitive tablet." |
| 07:56.34 | superlinux | I liked the line " you'll be cursing your mouse as the worst input device imaginable" |
| 07:56.40 | kevix | superlinux: thank $DIETY for wacom! |
| 07:56.59 | liable | superlinux: well thankyou for that interesting peice of irrelevent information. :P |
| 07:57.03 | superlinux | well I don't have a wacome |
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| 07:57.20 | superlinux | I have a genius |
| 07:57.31 | liable | a genious what? |
| 07:57.36 | etch4us | kevix: yes that is the one...ok |
| 07:57.48 | etch4us | cheers |
| 07:57.48 | superlinux | Libra102, Geinus mouse pen |
| 07:57.58 | superlinux | liable, pardon |
| 07:58.00 | liable | heh |
| 07:58.07 | kevix | etch4us: you should checkout: http://wiki.debian.org it has lots of good stuff! |
| 07:58.27 | zcat[1] | if the mouse was designed by a left-hander, how come my wife (left handed) has more trouble using it than I do and cannot use it lefthanded ? |
| 07:58.32 | etch4us | kevix: will do now |
| 07:58.46 | superlinux | I just liked that how brave to put that line on the front page |
| 07:58.50 | liable | zcat[1]: left brain, not left hander |
| 07:59.07 | zcat[1] | ahh, ok.. misread! |
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| 07:59.36 | kevix | zcat[1]: there are very few mice that are made left-handed. |
| 07:59.53 | etch4us | kevix: I read this article today,,very good |
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| 08:00.41 | etch4us | kevix: testing iso will save apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:00.57 | superlinux | who of you running the kernel 2.6.16? just to know.. on sarge |
| 08:00.58 | Libra102 | ? |
| 08:01.14 | etch4us | 2.6.15 |
| 08:01.14 | kevix | superlinux: 2.6.16 on unstable |
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| 08:01.20 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:01.28 | tarzeau | what's the codename for firefox 2.x? |
| 08:01.32 | superlinux | I am currently compiling it on sarge |
| 08:01.37 | etch4us | 2.6.16 in Kanotix |
| 08:01.51 | tarzeau | why is 3.x developped (minefield) when 2.x is not even released yet? |
| 08:02.04 | kevix | tarzeau: what did they call it now? fire-chicken? |
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| 08:02.17 | tarzeau | kevix: minefield. no idea for 2.x |
| 08:02.26 | liable | isnt it that seamonkey thing people have been asking about? |
| 08:02.34 | tarzeau | liable: that's mozilla |
| 08:02.45 | liable | oh |
| 08:02.46 | superlinux | kevix, they should call it (as a joke ) superCoW |
| 08:02.48 | etch4us | firefox is faster |
| 08:02.56 | tarzeau | etch4us: firefox can't open mailto: links |
| 08:02.59 | chealer | tarzeau: hum, why don't you ask on irc.mozilla.org? maybe 2 is freezed? I'm pretty sure I've seen the codename mentioned on mozilla.com no later than today |
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| 08:03.07 | migiel | 2.6.16 on etch |
| 08:03.11 | etch4us | true as basic browser |
| 08:03.26 | etch4us | no 2.6.15 smp |
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| 08:04.29 | aum | hi - is there an eta for libc2.4 ? |
| 08:04.33 | superlinux | tell me please.. Hyperthreading is only for Intel? |
| 08:04.41 | etch4us | yes/p4 |
| 08:04.45 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:04.49 | etch4us | 3.2 |
| 08:04.53 | etch4us | goes ok |
| 08:05.05 | superlinux | just I did not selecte it in the kernel build |
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| 08:05.23 | superlinux | cos I have an AMD64 athlon |
| 08:05.25 | chealer | aum: what do you mean? |
| 08:05.32 | etch4us | ok |
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| 08:06.02 | etch4us | When I build next pc ,Wil be amd/Nvidia |
| 08:06.06 | aum | chealer: debian feeds are still at libc6-2.3, i'm needing libc6 2.4 to get around an obscure java vm bug |
| 08:06.20 | kevix | superlinux: I have heard that it doesnt do much, have you heard anything good about it. |
| 08:06.26 | etch4us | aum: kiwi,,huh |
| 08:06.32 | etch4us | good to see |
| 08:06.34 | chealer | aum: what do you mean by "debian feeds"? |
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| 08:06.42 | aum | the apt repository |
| 08:06.48 | aum | debian.linux.net.nz in my case |
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| 08:06.55 | apikoros | does anyone know if gparted can resize reiserfs? |
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| 08:07.09 | kevix | aum: is it in incoming.debian.org ? |
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| 08:07.28 | superlinux | well nothing important |
| 08:07.36 | kevix | apikoros: I assume you mean resierfs 3? |
| 08:07.50 | superlinux | kevix, you know of course that nothing works unless you make use of it |
| 08:08.16 | apikoros | kevix, yes |
| 08:08.21 | chealer | aum: repositories usually have several versions of packages |
| 08:08.22 | kevix | superlinux: always the issue with brandnew techlonogy. |
| 08:08.29 | pyrohotdog | "fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 08:09.02 | superlinux | for example only things like apache.. squid... anything with thread programming will work |
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| 08:09.06 | pyrohotdog | yet before that, it says "Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration" |
| 08:09.15 | kevix | apikoros: there is also convertfs, iirc. |
| 08:09.48 | kevix | pyrohotdog: did you check Xorg.0.conf for the WW and the EE ? |
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| 08:10.18 | superlinux | kevix, if i have SMP system ,can I move a process from one CPU to the other in linux? |
| 08:10.31 | etch4us | pyrohotdog: Did you run dpkr-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 08:10.31 | pyrohotdog | kevix: using xfree86 |
| 08:10.41 | etch4us | dpkg sorry |
| 08:10.42 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 08:10.43 | apikoros | kevix, there's a small app that ships with reiserfstools called reiserfs_resize, but it will handle the _filesystem_, not the actual _partition_ -- so it has to be used first to shrink the fs, then fdisk to shrink the partition.. but they use different units, and it sounds like it'll be too easy to screw up my machine |
| 08:11.04 | etch4us | oops |
| 08:11.05 | pyrohotdog | xfree86. and I did run the dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 08:11.28 | kevix | pyrohotdog: then XFree* |
| 08:11.36 | etch4us | pyrohotdog: Sarge? |
| 08:11.51 | pyrohotdog | Yes |
| 08:11.55 | kevix | superlinux: not sure. only heard of redhawk linux. |
| 08:12.14 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:12.18 | etch4us | pyrohotdog: lcd? |
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| 08:12.33 | quitte | apikoros: thats why i use lvm and begin with small partitions. then i can grow them any time and never have to worry about shrinking |
| 08:12.33 | pyrohotdog | CRT |
| 08:12.50 | superlinux | who has an AC97 sound built in? |
| 08:13.02 | superlinux | I don't have /dev/dsp |
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| 08:13.17 | superlinux | but I can run only ALSA apps |
| 08:13.19 | apikoros | quitte, hindsight is 20/20, as they say :P |
| 08:13.28 | superlinux | I cant run OSS |
| 08:13.37 | quitte | superlinux: alsa doesn't have /dev/dsp. modprobe snd-pcm-oss for oss emulation |
| 08:13.39 | etch4us | pyrohotdog: I had same pron ,,refresh rate too high on lcd,but not in your case ,,mmmm |
| 08:13.59 | etch4us | same prob |
| 08:14.03 | kevix | apikoros: convertfs /dev/hda2 ext2 reiserfs |
| 08:14.13 | etch4us | hell so much for multitasking |
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| 08:14.26 | pyrohotdog | hmm...and that couldn't be my problem? |
| 08:15.30 | lewis | Is there a 'RulesDuJour equivelant' for DNSBL/SURBL lists, so I can download a block list to my machine weekly, and spamassassin/exim4 can check e-mails against that list, instead of using Net::DNS? |
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| 08:16.23 | formorer | lewis: you can ask for rsync access and can setup your own rbl server... |
| 08:17.10 | quitte | apikoros: if you shrink your reiser by more than you shrink your partition you can easily grow reiserfs to fit the partition afterwards |
| 08:17.13 | lewis | will Net::DNS be needed? looking to minimize network traffic, without running excessive services... |
| 08:17.38 | formorer | lewis: yes it will be needed |
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| 08:18.45 | apikoros | quitte, that's a good idea.. sounds safe enough. |
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| 08:19.15 | superlinux | quitte, I did |
| 08:19.28 | apikoros | i have debian etch netinstall cd and the ubuntu dapper livecd/install cd.. do any of you know if either has reiserfs tools on it? |
| 08:19.43 | superlinux | I don't have lsmod give it listed |
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| 08:20.06 | stew | mode #debian -o stew |
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| 08:20.15 | superlinux | well it's already there |
| 08:20.20 | superlinux | pardon |
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| 08:21.27 | lewis | formorer: why do DNS checks needed to be used for a local database? surely it is just comparing to see if domain.com in the e-mail, appears in the database? |
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| 08:22.48 | RichiH | azeem: seems to work for you |
| 08:22.54 | RichiH | strange |
| 08:23.04 | konfuzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.17 | kristalino | how to have webcam support in amsn ? |
| 08:23.17 | r_marvin | lewis: you might confuse a rhbl with a dnsbl |
| 08:23.19 | konfuzed | what do I use to set up the added hardware |
| 08:23.43 | etch4us | kristalino: I have the same Q |
| 08:24.10 | kristalino | etch4us, hehe |
| 08:24.25 | nkuttler | konfuzed: did you configure the interface? |
| 08:24.39 | etch4us | how? |
| 08:24.45 | kristalino | etch4us, it seems that my webcam works well on ekiga, but i can't have anything in amsn ... :( |
| 08:24.54 | nkuttler | etch4us: konfuzed: man 5 interfaces |
| 08:25.06 | nkuttler | etch4us: nevermind |
| 08:25.13 | etch4us | kristalino: Mine works fine in Kanotix |
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| 08:25.36 | etch4us | nkuttler: Tell all please |
| 08:25.59 | kristalino | etch4us, do you have it working with amsn ? |
| 08:26.12 | etch4us | I installed "webcam" |
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| 08:27.01 | etch4us | kristalino: I got an error ,need to direct it through my router |
| 08:27.05 | poulson | y is azeem booted? |
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| 08:27.27 | azeem | poulson: we're testing something, sorry for the confusion |
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| 08:27.47 | Maulkin | azeem: Playing with auto_blah? :) |
| 08:27.47 | poulson | what a disappointment. |
| 08:27.50 | etch4us | kristalino: what util.. you open cam with? |
| 08:28.03 | Buchannon | how can I check how much disc space I have left on my debian system? |
| 08:28.04 | diazepam | anyone know where i can get kaffeine player for debian? |
| 08:28.06 | chealer | can I be kicked too?! |
| 08:28.28 | poulson | diazepam: from debian repo! |
| 08:28.28 | chealer | diazepam: from a Debian mirror? |
| 08:28.30 | etch4us | diazepam: testing or unstable |
| 08:28.51 | diazepam | shit i have looked but cant seem to find the sucker |
| 08:29.17 | deadcat | simonrvn: thanks. keyboard is working. no more kernel panic. (= thanks thanks thanks |
| 08:29.50 | diazepam | i do an apt-cache search kaffeine and all that comes up is kopete!??! |
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| 08:29.52 | nkuttler | Buchannon: df |
| 08:29.54 | etch4us | diazepam: most times I use totem,,easier on cpu |
| 08:30.08 | lewis | r_marvin: what is a rhbl, or the difference between that and a dnsbl? |
| 08:30.11 | chealer | diazepam: which release do you use? |
| 08:30.15 | Gumby | where in debian is the equivalent to rc.local? |
| 08:30.16 | diazepam | etch |
| 08:30.24 | chealer | diazepam: kaffeine is not in etch |
| 08:30.32 | chealer | !tell Gumby about rc.local |
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| 08:30.35 | diazepam | is etch stable now? |
| 08:30.41 | nkuttler | diazepam: no |
| 08:30.42 | chealer | !etch |
| 08:30.42 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 08:30.43 | Gumby | thx chealer |
| 08:30.48 | konfuzed | nkuttler, man 5 interfaces talks about ifup and ifdown and ifup eth1 returns unknown interface |
| 08:31.07 | poulson | diazepam is right. kaffeine is obsoleted or what? |
| 08:31.16 | nkuttler | konfuzed: paste your /etc/network/interfaces somewhere. /msg dpkg paste |
| 08:31.53 | diazepam | poulson - yeah i think it might not be allowed in the repos due to issues with mp3 proprietory decoders or something like that |
| 08:32.16 | poulson | diazepam: hv u tried mplayer? |
| 08:32.20 | konfuzed | ok |
| 08:32.31 | konfuzed | i added ifcae eth1 in interfaces and |
| 08:32.40 | konfuzed | ifup eth1 and its happy |
| 08:33.17 | diazepam | yeah byt kaffiene does the lot |
| 08:33.22 | nkuttler | !win konfuzed |
| 08:33.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, konfuzed! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 08:33.45 | poulson | diazepam: mplayer is the mother-of-all players. |
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| 08:34.18 | diazepam | what about gstreamer ... heard that that is going to make life alot easier for everyone on the multimedia front |
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| 08:34.40 | konfuzed | ah faulty cable |
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| 08:34.42 | simonrvn | deadcat: :) |
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| 08:34.57 | simonrvn | i know what i know *shrug* |
| 08:35.03 | konfuzed | had to replace it |
| 08:35.06 | poulson | never heard of gstremer until now. |
| 08:35.16 | chealer | diazepam: gstreamer is a multimedia framework, similar to xine-lib. it's not a player |
| 08:35.21 | simonrvn | i haven't heard of gstremer either ;p |
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| 08:35.44 | diazepam | chealer - its a backend though which other apps like totem and the like can use |
| 08:35.59 | chealer | diazepam: right |
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| 08:37.09 | diazepam | chealer - and it will do everything from DVDs, mp3's and streaming media...is this right? |
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| 08:37.21 | poulson | when is it necessary to put modules in /etc/modules? those that i put in gives FATAL errors during boot. |
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| 08:38.28 | nkuttler | poulson: if you don't know what to put there you proabably don't need anything |
| 08:38.49 | chealer | diazepam: I believe. Wikipedia would know better than me |
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| 08:39.11 | poulson | nkuttler: is it necessary to put anything there? |
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| 08:39.24 | poulson | i am using 2.5.15. |
| 08:39.32 | poulson | sorry, it is 2.6.15. |
| 08:39.33 | deadcat | simonrvn: ya. everything works now. the apple buttons with the gtkpbbuttons apps, apm emu for wmapm, kbd, sound, udev. (= yay.. |
| 08:39.56 | nkuttler | poulson: re-read my last statement |
| 08:40.22 | simonrvn | deadcat: yay :) |
| 08:40.24 | diazepam | http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/faq/html/chapter-using.html |
| 08:40.28 | poulson | nkuttler: that statement shows u don't know what y r talking about. |
| 08:40.49 | FalscherHase | hi. is it possible to turn off key repetition for single keys under X? |
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| 08:41.16 | nkuttler | poulson: whatever. i'm sure you're able to work it out yourself |
| 08:41.29 | poulson | i hate kids who try to pass themselves on as some knowledgeable adults. |
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| 08:42.16 | chealer | !tell poulson about u |
| 08:42.38 | nkuttler | poulson: obviously you're too smart for me to trick you |
| 08:43.23 | poulson | chealer: damn it, i m not Jim. And doubly damn it, it should be James, not Jim. |
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| 08:44.26 | chealer | !tell poulson about r |
| 08:44.26 | poulson | chealer: got my point? |
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| 08:44.37 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 08:44.44 | chealer | poulson: that one looks bug-free |
| 08:45.04 | TuxMeister | how can i give write permissions tu a folder (recursively)? |
| 08:45.20 | pyrohotdog | Okay I got the screen problem taken care of, now I'm having the same problem with my mouse... |
| 08:45.37 | poulson | chealer: they r all short forms. if u can accept Jim for James, y not u for 'you'? |
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| 08:46.06 | simonrvn | poulson: feeling argumentative, aren't we |
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| 08:46.28 | poulson | simonrvn: u want to join in? |
| 08:46.52 | simonrvn | go have a hot soak in a tub or shower for a few. helps relax :). nah, not in an arguing mood. |
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| 08:47.07 | diazepam | what is the line to add the 'non-free' repos to your source list? |
| 08:47.16 | Shadur | diazepam: 'non-free' |
| 08:47.20 | simonrvn | exactly that |
| 08:47.27 | diazepam | shadur - lol i thought so |
| 08:47.28 | chealer | !tell diazepam about non-free |
| 08:47.39 | iKernel | poulson, I hate those stupid abbrevations. |
| 08:47.56 | adii | hello. I'm trying to get some packets of a foreign wireless connection. I've used wlanconfig to create a vap in mode monitor, and used iwconfig to switch on the good channel. then i used airodump with command "airodump ath4 output 11" (where 4 and 11 are the good numbers). Airodump catchs beacons but not a single packet. why ? |
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| 08:48.10 | tarzeau | can i have logrotate in debian with date extension? |
| 08:48.25 | iKernel | poulson, when I read them, they sound like some 5 year old is speaking |
| 08:48.25 | poulson | iKernel: and i hate stupid you. |
| 08:48.28 | simonrvn | poulson: if you're who i think you are, i'm wondering why you're in such a bad mood. bad day? |
| 08:48.58 | iKernel | poulson, meh |
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| 08:49.10 | poulson | simonrvn: who do u think i am? |
| 08:49.19 | simonrvn | poulson: mind a /msg ? |
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| 08:49.54 | poulson | no |
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| 08:50.10 | iKernel | poulson, you from singapore? |
| 08:50.22 | poulson | no |
| 08:50.37 | simonrvn | oh, probably not then |
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| 08:51.33 | Buchannon | lets say I have a router and two debian machines behind it. If I want to ftp or ssh into both of them when I'm away from home, how can I do that when port forwarding on the router only lets you point to one IP address |
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| 08:52.34 | nkuttler | Buchannon: use a different port |
| 08:52.43 | lewis | is this correct: RHSBL - looks at domain names, DNSBL - looks at IP addresses, SURBL - looks at links within e-mails |
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| 08:54.04 | Buchannon | nkuttler: ah, ssh doesn't have to be on port 22? |
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| 08:55.05 | *** kick/#debian [RichiH!n=stew@mudskipper.vireo.org] by stew (you should know better) |
| 08:55.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 08:55.26 | Shadur | Or use port forwarding on the router to direct, say, port 10250 to 22 internal on one and 10251 to 22 internal on the other. |
| 08:55.35 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 08:55.48 | nkuttler | Buchannon: no. what Shadur says. |
| 08:55.54 | simonrvn | stew: ? |
| 08:56.09 | stew | simonrvn: it was a test |
| 08:56.22 | simonrvn | on an ircop? :) |
| 08:56.50 | iKernel | azeem, you hax0ring? |
| 08:56.59 | stew | simonrvn: yup :) |
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| 08:57.14 | azeem | iKernel: huh? |
| 08:57.27 | RichiH | stew: cool! |
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| 08:57.40 | iKernel | RichiH doesn't seem to be hax0ring, he's staff |
| 08:57.51 | simonrvn | duh |
| 08:57.54 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 08:58.03 | iKernel | what you guys testing? |
| 08:58.15 | RichiH | iKernel: stew's kickscript did not work |
| 08:58.22 | RichiH | now it does |
| 08:58.23 | liable | pow4h? |
| 08:58.26 | azeem | BEWARE |
| 08:58.58 | Prx | Creating chroot tree in /var/www/chroot ----mknod: `dev/null': Operation not permitted------dpkg: error processing dtc (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1: Errors were encountered while processing:dtc E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 08:59.02 | Prx | what is problem? |
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| 09:00.32 | netmole | hi i have question i have installed debian etch beta2 but grub alter install dont boot |
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| 09:01.09 | RichiH | how would i do a packet-based round robin over two similar links with linux boxen on both sides? basically, what i need is to use two lines as if they were one. latency and everything is exactly the same so there is no issue with TCP going haywire on me |
| 09:01.28 | dondelelcaro | !lartc |
| 09:01.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 09:01.29 | sn00p | How do I change the permissions so I can have the user sn00p use ethereal also just instead of root? |
| 09:01.42 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: there's an example in the lartc above on how to do that exact thing |
| 09:01.49 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: cool, thanks |
| 09:01.54 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 09:02.36 | iKernel | Hmm. How do I mount an logical volume? |
| 09:02.57 | iKernel | I tried, but it said mount: special device /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 does not exist |
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| 09:03.30 | iKernel | And indeed it doesn't, /dev/VolGroup00 doesn't even exsit |
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| 09:05.10 | [trueno] | Hi! Anyone knows if it is possible to use esx/vmware with other kernels than supplied (2.4.9)? I need to make it work for SATA-2 drives... |
| 09:05.21 | onetinsoldier | anyone think they can help me get a gameport ms sidewinder gampad working? i've tried a number of things to try and it get it working, but no luck so far. free beer for anyone who can get it working! ;-) |
| 09:06.04 | sn00p | How do I change the permissions so I can have the user sn00p use ethereal also just instead of root? |
| 09:06.28 | dondelelcaro | sn00p: allow the user sn00p to run ethereal using sudo |
| 09:06.36 | Buchannon | Is there an easy way to export all my mySQL databases and transfer them to another computer? |
| 09:06.44 | pyrohotdog | why is it that when I try and start X it says it failed to initialize core devices? specifically, my mouse. |
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| 09:07.15 | [trueno] | sn00p: chown? |
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| 09:07.19 | dondelelcaro | Buchannon: mysqldump --all-databases; should do it |
| 09:08.16 | dondelelcaro | Buchannon: man mysqldump; for details |
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| 09:08.37 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: what kind of mouse? and what is the line in your config file for your mouse? what does it specify? |
| 09:09.16 | pyrohotdog | it's just a typical logitech mouse. and which config file do I look at? |
| 09:09.34 | sussudio | will perl make use of more than 1 cpu if i have 2? |
| 09:09.42 | pyrohotdog | usb |
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| 09:10.04 | oliva | hi there ... is xfce4 broken on unstable? |
| 09:10.17 | Eclipser | its dependancies are |
| 09:10.31 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: have a look in /etc/X11. if you end up needing to make any changes to the config file manually you will need to 'su' to root |
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| 09:11.13 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: the file may be named 'xorg.conf'... or if your using xfree86 then it will be like |
| 09:11.16 | tarzeau | haha there's a party in #ubuntu |
| 09:11.22 | oliva | Eclipser: ok thanks |
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| 09:11.30 | pyrohotdog | XF86Config-4? |
| 09:11.42 | onetinsoldier | yes |
| 09:11.49 | onetinsoldier | that's probably it |
| 09:11.57 | RvGaTe | whenever i try to send an email from my debian box, "echo test > mail r.vanaerle@bevede.nl", it ends up in my /var/mail/mail.... |
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| 09:12.37 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: is it a usb mouse? |
| 09:12.39 | pyrohotdog | "InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" |
| 09:12.42 | pyrohotdog | Yes it's USB. |
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| 09:12.50 | RvGaTe | sussudio: thank god its not my email then... |
| 09:13.03 | sussudio | RvGaTe: jesus like Intel |
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| 09:13.21 | mikey | stupid #ubuntu |
| 09:13.26 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: here' what the lines from my file look like, although i'm using xorg instead of xfree86... |
| 09:13.30 | khermans | no #ubuntu rules :-) |
| 09:13.31 | mikey | making it +m |
| 09:13.34 | khermans | we got 1000+ in there |
| 09:13.39 | onetinsoldier | Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 09:13.43 | mikey | can anyone tell my why there will be Long Term Support on ubuntu 6.06? |
| 09:13.45 | onetinsoldier | Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" |
| 09:13.58 | Patrick1 | 1002 ppl :) |
| 09:14.05 | Buchannon | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 09:14.14 | khermans | mikey, because Debian doesn't ? |
| 09:14.31 | mikey | 8-) |
| 09:14.36 | khermans | i run Debian on a lot of my servers |
| 09:14.47 | khermans | but now with Ubuntu LTS -- who knows.. |
| 09:14.47 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: that two important lines... there are like five or six lines in there for the mouse though, but those are probably the two most important ones. |
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| 09:15.22 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: have you tried reconfiguring your xserver? |
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| 09:15.47 | pyrohotdog | HA! Worked. I went through the dpkg-congfigure a million times and it apparently didn't stick with my settings, changed to /dev/input/mice and it worked... |
| 09:16.03 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: ah-ha! coool |
| 09:16.23 | pyrohotdog | Wait, I lied, it just brought up X but moving the mouse doesn't respond... |
| 09:16.32 | pyrohotdog | Waaaiitt.... |
| 09:16.36 | pyrohotdog | Now it does... |
| 09:16.41 | pyrohotdog | Odd. lol thanks guys. |
| 09:16.48 | onetinsoldier | your welcome |
| 09:17.01 | Buchannon | is it just my slow computer or does gzip'ing something take forever if it's a bigger file? |
| 09:17.50 | iKernel | Guys, some app needs libglut.so.3, that lib is in /usr/local/lib, but this app can't find it (fgfs: error while loading shared libraries: libglut.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory). This app is flightgear. Help? |
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| 09:17.53 | iKernel | wait |
| 09:18.10 | pyrohotdog | How can I make it boot to the KDE login screen instead of console mode? |
| 09:18.30 | chealer9 | mikey: /topic |
| 09:18.39 | onetinsoldier | iKernel: i might be able to help with that... but hang on |
| 09:18.51 | Buchannon | pyrohotdog: just "start kde" should do it... |
| 09:18.54 | iKernel | lol, fixed, don't worry onetinsoldier |
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| 09:19.05 | mikey | chealer9, what are you on about? |
| 09:19.09 | onetinsoldier | iKernel: ok.. good deal |
| 09:19.40 | chealer9 | mikey: "<mikey> can anyone tell my why there will be Long Term Support on ubuntu 6.06?" -> "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" |
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| 09:19.58 | mikey | chealer9, mate... i only asked cause #ubuntu was +m 'd |
| 09:20.00 | pyrohotdog | well... I mean like when the computer boots, so that I don't even have to see console mode. |
| 09:20.05 | pyrohotdog | crap, my scroll wheel doesn't work. |
| 09:20.10 | mikey | i know there are people that use ububuntu in here |
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| 09:20.42 | chealer9 | mikey: I have no idea what you mean, but nothing about #ubuntu could make asking a question about it here appropriate |
| 09:20.50 | chealer9 | s/it/Ubuntu |
| 09:20.52 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: try the following option in your config file.... |
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| 09:21.09 | pyrohotdog | which config file... |
| 09:21.10 | onetinsoldier | Option "Emulate3Buttons" "false" |
| 09:21.30 | mikey | chealer9, it doesn't matter chealer9. don't be stressed about it. |
| 09:21.36 | onetinsoldier | the same same one as before... you will need to restart X after making the change |
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| 09:22.04 | chealer9 | mikey: *shrug* I'm not stressed, but it does matter |
| 09:22.55 | iKernel | What's the pc speaker device? |
| 09:23.16 | tarzeau | iKernel: piece of shit |
| 09:23.31 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: and that option goes in the same section as your other mouse options... in the Section "InputDevice" that is.... Driver "mouse" |
| 09:24.08 | iKernel | tarzeau, No, I mean like, /dev/what? |
| 09:24.12 | onetinsoldier | anyone think they can help me get a gameport ms sidewinder gampad working? i've tried a number of things to try and it get it working, but no luck so far. free beer for anyone who can get it working! ;-) |
| 09:25.39 | pyrohotdog | scroll wheel still doesn't work. |
| 09:25.47 | onetinsoldier | :-( |
| 09:25.48 | iKernel | onetinsoldier, you checked this page? http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x194.html |
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| 09:26.27 | tarzeau | iKernel: doesn't exist |
| 09:26.27 | onetinsoldier | iKernel: to try and get my gamepad working? |
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| 09:27.43 | pyrohotdog | gaahh I'm so used to a scroll wheel...little bugger. |
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| 09:28.06 | summer | try |
| 09:28.19 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: try changing 'False' in that last option i have you to 'True' then... i don't know for sure. there's probably a way to get your wheel to work, but someone else might have to help with that |
| 09:29.48 | [trueno] | Are SATA2 drives supported in kernel 2.4? |
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| 09:30.01 | iKernel | I just got my mouse scroll to work. |
| 09:30.28 | onetinsoldier | you mean with the wheel? |
| 09:30.32 | iKernel | yes |
| 09:30.42 | etch4us | with dpkg? |
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| 09:30.54 | etch4us | .... |
| 09:31.09 | iKernel | In dpkg-reconfigure, I did not enable "Emulate 3 button mouse", and I did enable "Enable scroll events from mouse" |
| 09:31.22 | iKernel | Try doing that. |
| 09:31.31 | etch4us | guessed |
| 09:31.33 | pyrohotdog | Kay |
| 09:31.36 | Angels2 | i have an issue with putty and c&p pasting a line into it. on paste the line wraps around on some point and starts from the beginning of the line... any idea what causes this? |
| 09:31.38 | etch4us | done that |
| 09:32.19 | iKernel | etch4us, Said no to "Emulate 3 button mouse"? |
| 09:32.25 | onetinsoldier | iKernel: a little bit ago you were suggesting that i look at some page about usb... was that a suggestion for me to try and get my gamepad working? |
| 09:32.34 | iKernel | onetinsoldier, Yeah |
| 09:32.51 | etch4us | iKernel: yes have done the same in the past ,,when in a hurry |
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| 09:33.13 | onetinsoldier | iKernel: well.. as i said in my plea's for help.. it's a 'gameport' gamepad. not a 'usb' gamepad. |
| 09:33.24 | iKernel | etch4us, worked? |
| 09:33.29 | iKernel | onetinsoldier, hmm gameport |
| 09:33.41 | onetinsoldier | it's supposedly supported |
| 09:33.55 | pyrohotdog | grr. no go. |
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| 09:34.18 | pyrohotdog | what does you config file look like? maybe if I manually add that line. dpkg never seems to stick with what I choose. |
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| 09:34.40 | Buchannon | If I want to make constant backups of my databases say... once every day, do I just set up a cron for mysqldump? |
| 09:34.45 | Buchannon | or, is that the best way I mean |
| 09:35.00 | Angels2 | Buchannon: yes |
| 09:35.05 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: since you have manually edited the file, you may want to do the follwing... |
| 09:35.10 | onetinsoldier | !xmd5 |
| 09:35.10 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 09:35.40 | etch4us | wow |
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| 09:36.12 | Buchannon | Angels2: wow, I just messed around with mysql dump a little, that's pretty cool that it's just like a text file... |
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| 09:36.41 | bris | Salut all, |
| 09:36.43 | pyrohotdog | uhm, I've manually edited the file before, and it worked better then dpkg did, but I was still able to run dpkg-reconfigure afterwards... |
| 09:36.46 | tosh | does anyone know what the best videodriver is for an intel GM915 graphics card? |
| 09:36.53 | tosh | google doesn't give me much |
| 09:37.04 | ne | r |
| 09:37.17 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: ok... cool. just thought i'd let you know about that tidbit of info just in case |
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| 09:37.42 | pyrohotdog | appreciated. |
| 09:38.01 | onetinsoldier | pyrohotdog: once you get you file the way you like it i recommend making a backup of it! ;) |
| 09:38.05 | kevix | tosh: have you tried the i915? |
| 09:38.08 | stew | tosh: i810 |
| 09:38.30 | pyrohotdog | way ahead of ya. ;) but unforunately it's the way I like it...everything works great...except my dang scroll wheel! |
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| 09:39.12 | etch4us | pyrohotdog: `tried "dpkg... |
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| 09:39.14 | etch4us | ? |
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| 09:39.46 | pyrohotdog | yes, tried dpkg. |
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| 09:41.42 | iKernel | But I hand edited xorg.conf, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works fine. Guess it's ok for xorg |
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| 09:42.32 | Jel | can someone tell me, which is less likely to "break"... sid, or etch ? |
| 09:42.33 | onetinsoldier | iKernel: look at comments towards the top of your xorg.conf file... it suggests the same thing |
| 09:42.34 | pyrohotdog | YMMV I suppose. lol |
| 09:42.42 | pyrohotdog | all I know is that I miss my scroll wheel. :( |
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| 09:42.49 | Jel | what is the order of stability, stable, unstable, testing ? |
| 09:43.02 | LesleyB | hiya |
| 09:43.19 | onetinsoldier | stable(sarge), testing(etch), unstable(sid) |
| 09:43.19 | Ronin | Jel: stable/sarge, testing/etch, unstable/sid |
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| 09:43.33 | Jel | ahh k |
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| 09:43.35 | Jel | neat :) |
| 09:43.40 | iKernel | How do I get logical volume devices to be created? |
| 09:43.43 | Jel | might try etch |
| 09:43.48 | LesleyB | am using Gimp 2.2.6 on Sarge and have found a file selector tag isn't working. It's on the Environment Map tab in the Filters->Light Effects->Lighting Effects. Anyone know if this is a gimp bug or a debian bug? |
| 09:43.49 | onetinsoldier | etchis good |
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| 09:43.51 | Jel | i tried the "testing" for arch linux o_O |
| 09:44.03 | iKernel | pyrohotdog, did you try wat I said? |
| 09:44.05 | Jel | it's more broken than a record that has been dropped in a volcano |
| 09:44.13 | dn4 | any idea on how to create a shopping cart for internet sales? |
| 09:44.17 | etch4us | I like etch,Been solid |
| 09:44.33 | iKernel | Jel, Depends on what type of volcano |
| 09:44.45 | Jel | and active one |
| 09:44.46 | Jel | :P |
| 09:44.53 | maheem | hi people. who use pppoe-server? |
| 09:44.57 | lewis | With SpamAssassin 3.0.3, how can I enable DNSBL and disable SURBL, or vice-versa? |
| 09:44.59 | pyrohotdog | iKernel: you mean go through dpkg-reconfigure and enable mouse wheel? |
| 09:45.18 | Jel | ahh crao |
| 09:45.20 | Jel | crap |
| 09:45.23 | Jel | what CD do i need o_O |
| 09:45.27 | Jel | there are like 14 for etch |
| 09:45.31 | Jel | i386.... |
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| 09:45.38 | Ronin | !tell Jel about d-i |
| 09:45.41 | formorer | use netinstall |
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| 09:45.49 | Jel | i only want the sort of "base" packages |
| 09:45.55 | maheem | i have trouble as "LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests" |
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| 09:46.13 | iKernel | pyrohotdog, Yeah, and disable "Emulate 3 button mouse" |
| 09:46.24 | iKernel | brb reboot |
| 09:46.28 | Jel | is debian etch *fast* ? |
| 09:46.34 | Jel | and secure? :) |
| 09:46.34 | pyrohotdog | yes I did try that. |
| 09:46.40 | onetinsoldier | Jel: if you want you could do what's called a 'net install'. you just need a few floppies. there are a couple of gotchas though with the net install that i can tell you about if you want |
| 09:46.42 | etch4us | depends what kernel |
| 09:46.47 | Jel | i want to run it on my fileserver/desktop (95% of the time its a file server) |
| 09:46.58 | iKernel | pyrohotdog, Did you do both? |
| 09:47.00 | Jel | floppy drive? O_O |
| 09:47.05 | Jel | non-existant |
| 09:47.06 | Jel | lol |
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| 09:47.16 | pyrohotdog | Yep |
| 09:47.30 | Trenskow | what is the timescope for turning tunnels? |
| 09:47.31 | Buchannon | wtf is the apache install package called for apt or aptitude again? mysql-common or something right? apt-get install mysql isn't working |
| 09:48.16 | sonasks | ok, so here we go: Buffer I/O error on device hdd1 |
| 09:48.16 | Trenskow | Buchannon, mysql-server |
| 09:48.25 | sonasks | i`m sure the hdd |
| 09:48.26 | Buchannon | Trenskow: thanks bud |
| 09:48.42 | sonasks | is ok - can i force the chceck of filesystem on that ?? |
| 09:48.50 | chealer9 | Buchannon: I'm not sure why an apache install package would have "mysql" in its name |
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| 09:49.15 | Jel | apt handles dependencies right ? |
| 09:49.26 | cam | Jel, yes |
| 09:49.27 | chealer9 | Jel: right |
| 09:49.28 | Trenskow | Jel, yes |
| 09:49.38 | Jel | ok cool |
| 09:49.39 | Buchannon | chealer9: opps, I meant mysql package... heh |
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| 09:49.56 | Trenskow | [11:47] Trenskowwhat is the timescope for turning tunnels? < - just realized... wrong channel :D |
| 09:50.01 | chealer9 | Buchannon: as Trenskow said then |
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| 09:50.21 | Buchannon | chealer9: ;) |
| 09:50.23 | chealer9 | Buchannon: unless you run sarge and want something other than the default version |
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| 09:51.59 | ascorbic | hey guys someone keeps pasting this in my channel do you know what ti means |
| 09:52.07 | ascorbic | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
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| 09:53.41 | onetinsoldier | did we just have a netsplit or something? |
| 09:54.03 | chealer9 | onetinsoldier: no, it's called a moron |
| 09:54.08 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 09:54.08 | sonasks | can i somehow reset the hdd withour restarting the system ? |
| 09:54.09 | onetinsoldier | ok |
| 09:54.19 | RvGaTe | sonasks: probably not... |
| 09:54.28 | sep | sonasks, reset it how ? |
| 09:54.29 | sonasks | opf course not the system hdd |
| 09:54.57 | sonasks | i have one hdd that get`s a lot of i/o errors and then just won`t mount |
| 09:55.01 | onetinsoldier | chealer9: let me guess.... it was ascorbic? |
| 09:55.34 | Ronin | onetinsoldier: yep |
| 09:55.34 | sonasks | i had it before, but never had a time to chweck that out - and now it`s my punishment |
| 09:55.34 | sonasks | can`t read a superblock |
| 09:55.35 | sep | sonasks, that uealy means dead drive. |
| 09:55.41 | Noboru | I have gotten cron-apt installed ,but how do i know it's running ? |
| 09:55.42 | onetinsoldier | Ronin: thx |
| 09:55.54 | Noboru | i run ps aux | grep cron,there lists a default cron |
| 09:55.57 | Noboru | that is all. |
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| 10:03.23 | sonasks | can i check the filesystem if i can`t read a superblock ? |
| 10:03.42 | sep | sonasks, you can use one of the backup superblocks |
| 10:04.45 | sep | sonasks, man fsck.[ext2|ext2|xfs|jfs|whatever] |
| 10:05.34 | Buchannon | I have read the manual for sudo, and dont' really understand it... is it just a way for a user with sudo privildges to run administrative programs without becoming root? |
| 10:05.54 | blondie | Buchannon: yes |
| 10:06.34 | Buchannon | blondie: ah cool |
| 10:06.56 | Buchannon | Is there a way to paste into putty? it just gives me a ^V when I do cntrl+v |
| 10:07.12 | yassine | morning * |
| 10:07.27 | etch4us | evening |
| 10:07.33 | blondie | Buchannon: yes, just right click |
| 10:07.38 | etch4us | 10:07pm |
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| 10:09.38 | Buchannon | blondie: I <3 you |
| 10:10.11 | lunitik | Buchannon: ctrl shift insert? |
| 10:10.24 | blondie | lunitik: denied |
| 10:10.39 | lunitik | blondie: shitty... thats what it is in a real terminal :/ |
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| 10:11.39 | Noboru | In debian, to run programs daily i should mv them to /etc/cron.daily or /etc/cron.d ? |
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| 10:12.31 | nevyn | Noboru: run crontab -e and make an entry? |
| 10:12.48 | lunitik | Noboru: umm... you don't move them... but cron.daily is the place... |
| 10:12.51 | wut | can i apt-get install unrar with all its dependencies? |
| 10:12.56 | Noboru | i alreayd editted one manually |
| 10:13.00 | peterS | wut: dunno, can you? did you try? |
| 10:13.05 | lunitik | wut: sure... activate non-free |
| 10:13.05 | Noboru | lunitik, I see |
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| 10:13.38 | wut | lunitik, how do i do that? |
| 10:14.01 | lunitik | wut: add it to the end of your sources.list lines? |
| 10:15.19 | Noboru | lunitik, Hi, by the way, why you said i don't need to move them ? |
| 10:16.00 | Buchannon | what is everyone's favorite GUI ? |
| 10:16.20 | etch4us | kde |
| 10:16.23 | lunitik | Noboru: you right a script in cron.daily to run the app... you don't put the binary in the dir... :/ |
| 10:16.26 | etch4us | 3.5.2 |
| 10:16.31 | peterS | Buchannon: you will get no useful answer to a question like that. please don't clutter our channel with it |
| 10:16.41 | etch4us | true |
| 10:16.42 | wut | i forgot where sources.list is |
| 10:16.46 | Noboru | lunitik, yeah that is why i want :) |
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| 10:17.09 | Noboru | lunitik, could you please tell me if i done it correctly ok..here it goes about the content of that script i just wrote |
| 10:17.23 | lunitik | Buchannon: thats a dumb question... 'apt-cache search x-window-manager' and go to town... answer your own question |
| 10:17.27 | Noboru | #!/bin/bash apt-get update |
| 10:17.37 | Noboru | apt-get upgrade -y |
| 10:17.45 | Noboru | pt-get autoclean |
| 10:17.54 | Noboru | save it as autoupgrade,then chmod 755 it |
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| 10:18.09 | Noboru | then i move it to /etc/cron.daily |
| 10:18.13 | Noboru | is that oaky ? |
| 10:18.15 | Noboru | okay? |
| 10:18.40 | lunitik | Noboru: looks fine? |
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| 10:18.55 | Noboru | lunitik,cool i hope it works |
| 10:19.04 | Buchannon | lunitik: peterS: wow, I didn't mean to ask it like that.. I realize I can try them out on my own, just wondered if anyone had any suggestions for where to start other than KDE and gnome |
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| 10:20.14 | lunitik | Buchannon: XFce and Enlightenment are good first steps... fluxbox and openbox are ok... depends what you're looking for |
| 10:20.45 | deadcat | (= |
| 10:21.17 | Buchannon | lunitik: thanks, I'll look into those |
| 10:21.21 | deadcat | i just had my battle with openbox's CVS today.. back to 3.2 with single patch |
| 10:21.43 | lunitik | Buchannon: check out Elive for a decent Enlightenment... 0.16 is dull :( |
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| 10:22.08 | deadcat | if you want e17. theres .deb repo for it |
| 10:22.27 | maheem | what about my question about pppoe-server |
| 10:22.40 | lunitik | deadcat: I haven't used OpenBox in forever... 640mb RAM, and KDE does everything I like about other WM's |
| 10:22.57 | lunitik | deadcat: Elive provides an apt repo |
| 10:23.01 | deadcat | ah |
| 10:23.11 | deadcat | i hated KDE ever since i used linux |
| 10:23.19 | maheem | in log i have message - tcflush failed: Bad file descriptor |
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| 10:23.44 | peterS | yeah, so, thanks for starting a pointless window manager ... ahh, discussion |
| 10:23.51 | lunitik | deadcat: I love it... does everything... can also be VERY userfriendly if you tweak it a bit |
| 10:23.54 | peppet | !start a wm war |
| 10:23.54 | dpkg | fvwm95 blows chunks! |
| 10:24.01 | onetinsoldier | i'm using 0.16... where can i get E17 or Elive? can you have e17 and e16 both installed with no problem? |
| 10:24.08 | peterS | peppet: that was, if this were possible, even more juvenile than what came before |
| 10:24.09 | lunitik | peterS: its totally not a wm war :( |
| 10:24.26 | Rizzer | e17 will never be released |
| 10:24.27 | peterS | peppet: it was also, if this were possible, even more predictable |
| 10:24.34 | deadcat | Rizzer: amen to that. |
| 10:24.34 | onetinsoldier | Rizzer: roger |
| 10:24.35 | nkuttler | onetinsoldier: sure. just build it yourself. |
| 10:24.43 | peppet | peppet: ;) |
| 10:24.46 | peterS | wit is only wit if you can't see it coming a mile away |
| 10:24.54 | lunitik | peterS: most every WM is awesome in its own right... some just suite people/situations better |
| 10:24.59 | deadcat | lunitik: it was the ugly theme that turned me off from kde |
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| 10:25.09 | lunitik | deadcat: a THEME? |
| 10:25.15 | onetinsoldier | nkuttler: well deadcat says there's a repo for it. i take it that means a .deb, which would be nice |
| 10:25.16 | deadcat | lunitik: now the plastik theme is ok but too late. |
| 10:25.16 | lunitik | deadcat: you know you can change that right? |
| 10:25.26 | deadcat | onetinsoldier: ya. |
| 10:25.32 | deadcat | lunitik: ya. they all suck |
| 10:25.38 | onetinsoldier | deadcat: where? |
| 10:25.54 | deadcat | #deb http://soulmachine.net/debian/ unstable/ |
| 10:25.58 | nkuttler | onetinsoldier: well, that will probably conflict with 0.16. good luck though. |
| 10:26.01 | lunitik | deadcat: you refused to give KDE a shot........ because you don't want to use something that isn't the default? |
| 10:26.04 | Rizzer | I got the impression the things they wanted to go into E17 have been overtaken by what's now provided in Xgl and cairo |
| 10:26.17 | onetinsoldier | deacat: ok. thanks. i was wondering if theere'd be a conflict tho |
| 10:26.23 | deadcat | onetinsoldier: you also need to pin the enlightenment and enlightenment-data packages |
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| 10:26.42 | onetinsoldier | deadcat: roger. i understand |
| 10:26.43 | deadcat | lunitik: no. because i dont need all those useless functions. |
| 10:27.01 | lunitik | deadcat: most popular theme right now seems to be clearlooks... there is klearlooks if thats what you like... most gnome themes that are worth a damn have been ported... |
| 10:27.04 | deadcat | onetinsoldier: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/apt/ |
| 10:27.10 | lunitik | deadcat: then hide them away? |
| 10:27.28 | deadcat | lunitik: why hide when i dont install it |
| 10:28.00 | deadcat | lunitik: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060413_19142.jpg see this.? openbox (= |
| 10:28.21 | onetinsoldier | deadcat: thanks |
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| 10:28.59 | lunitik | deadcat: menu's have been cleaned up A LOT ... and can be placed in the panel OS X style... there is a panel applet for system settings... and the actual modules for settings are very simple and well layed out... KDE has been working on cleaning things up since 3.1 |
| 10:29.09 | wut | why must unrar be so incredibly hard to get |
| 10:29.18 | deadcat | lunitik: i HATE the osx style (= |
| 10:29.24 | lunitik | deadcat: http://members.cox.net/lunitik/screenshot.png my current desktop |
| 10:29.39 | lunitik | deadcat: I use icons... not menu's... why take up screen space? |
| 10:29.59 | onetinsoldier | wut: i'm running etch and i had no problem doing an apt-get install unrar |
| 10:30.05 | Jel | they should really optimise debian for i686 :) |
| 10:30.17 | peterS | wut: because it's non-free, and is normally only used for warez, so most debian developers don't care about it, because we mainly don't deal in warez |
| 10:30.19 | Jel | and make a new version for i386 called "crapper" |
| 10:30.20 | Jel | :P |
| 10:30.22 | lunitik | Jel: aptitude install libc6-i686 |
| 10:30.24 | onetinsoldier | wut: with non-free added to my sources.llist anyway |
| 10:30.35 | Johnny_5 | i only have 2 hdd in my comp and and external hdd, but when i do dmesg i get errors on hdc...what could it be? |
| 10:30.44 | Dewi | peterS: it's got pretty good compression |
| 10:30.56 | Jel | lunitik - that makes it i686 optimised? o_O |
| 10:30.58 | deadcat | lunitik: i DONT use menu.. the icon are still the same.. still crystal (ugly), plastik window border is so large. |
| 10:31.00 | peterS | Johnny_5: hdc may be your hard drive, may be your CDROM drive |
| 10:31.00 | Dewi | and it doesn't seem quite as slow as bz2 (but I'm not sure on that one) |
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| 10:31.21 | Jel | but what about applications ? those need to be i686 optimised too |
| 10:31.23 | peterS | Dewi: and yet I still haven't ever seen it used for anything except warez |
| 10:31.23 | lunitik | Jel: as good as without recompiling EVERYTHING... libc is the library that basically runs everything... |
| 10:31.40 | Jel | hmm |
| 10:31.43 | peterS | Jel: have you done a speed comparison before and after recompiling all your apps to use i686? |
| 10:31.47 | Johnny_5 | well i unmounted my external hdd and tried the command again and still got the same errors... |
| 10:31.52 | deadcat | lunitik: actually i cant stand anything QT either (= |
| 10:31.53 | Jel | im juggling between arch and debian :/ |
| 10:32.00 | Dewi | peterS: it's the best archiver for windows. Maybe you don't do much interop. |
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| 10:32.18 | lunitik | Jel: that and installing a -686 or -k7 (depending on proc) .. and you wouldn't notice the difference if you compiled everything with 686 optimizations |
| 10:32.41 | lunitik | deadcat: using klearlooks, you can't even tell its QT :/ |
| 10:32.43 | peterS | Dewi: back when I had to care about windows, the only thing I ever saw people use was winzip |
| 10:32.50 | Johnny_5 | my external was acting a little funny a little while ago until i restarted it....as it was firing up it made some kind of funny noise |
| 10:32.54 | peterS | Dewi: unlicensed copies thereof, mostly (: |
| 10:32.54 | deadcat | lunitik: thats like lying to yourself (= |
| 10:33.10 | wut | keep getting E: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
| 10:33.13 | lunitik | deadcat: I don't use Themes... I use applications that do what I want... |
| 10:33.19 | Johnny_5 | after i restarted it it was just fine |
| 10:33.26 | Buchannon | how "unsafe" is it to get the testing or unstable version of debian? I'm kind of getting sick of having to find and install manual packages because sarge is so out of date |
| 10:33.33 | Jel | then why do arch and the like optimise for i686 o_O |
| 10:33.34 | lunitik | wut: add non-free to the end of your sources.list lines |
| 10:33.50 | Dewi | Buchannon: safe as in security or safe as in bugs? |
| 10:33.57 | lunitik | Jel: because they like alienating shitty computers? |
| 10:33.58 | peterS | Buchannon: "so out of date"? out of curiosity, exactly what packages worked 1 year ago but have somehow broken in the past year so that sarge no longer works for you? |
| 10:34.10 | Johnny_5 | of course i wouldn't doubt if it was a cdrom...i have 2 and one is kinda old |
| 10:34.11 | Jel | o_O |
| 10:34.24 | lunitik | peterS: old is a synonym for broken... duhh... :P |
| 10:34.32 | sonasks | ok, a hardcore question - can i disconnect the drive when it`s unmounted without turning off the pc ?? |
| 10:34.34 | lunitik | I spelled that wrong I think :( |
| 10:34.36 | Buchannon | peterS: I'm just having a lot of trouble getting ruby on rails to work correctly in stable |
| 10:34.38 | Dewi | peterS: sarge is missing a lot of stuff |
| 10:34.38 | deadcat | lunitik: this is the last screenshot i took: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060504_17499.jpg clearlooks theme and openbox both with split gradient. |
| 10:34.38 | peterS | Buchannon: you must forgive me for being skeptical that software stops working once it is more than a year old. in my experience, this rarely happens |
| 10:34.39 | sonasks | not a system drive of course |
| 10:34.41 | Buchannon | Dewi: I guess bugs... |
| 10:34.42 | Jel | sonasks - sata ? |
| 10:34.45 | Jel | if so, yes |
| 10:34.50 | sonasks | no, ide |
| 10:34.54 | Jel | hmmm |
| 10:34.54 | Rizzer | wut: or install unrar-free instead |
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| 10:34.56 | Buchannon | peterS: I never said it stopped working, just not working like it should |
| 10:34.59 | Jel | pc might reboot |
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| 10:35.21 | sonasks | not a system drive, can`t mount it eather |
| 10:35.31 | peterS | so sarge was broken when it shipped? that's disappointing to hear |
| 10:35.34 | onetinsoldier | anyone think they can help me get a gameport ms sidewinder gampad working? i've tried a number of things to try and it get it working, but no luck so far. free beer for anyone who can get it working! ;-) |
| 10:35.34 | Buchannon | peterS: rails updates it's code, but it's not for sure going to work in debian stable, so it has to go through all the testing, and I want my update =P maybe I should be using another distro |
| 10:35.35 | Jel | why cant you mount it? o_O |
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| 10:35.49 | Johnny_5 | how do i check to see what hdc is? |
| 10:35.50 | daft | how can i restart the kde panel it crashed :/ |
| 10:35.58 | peterS | Johnny_5: cat /proc/ide/hdc/media |
| 10:36.06 | sonasks | can`t read superblock |
| 10:36.07 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 10:36.14 | Jel | ahhh |
| 10:36.28 | peterS | Buchannon: I use unstable, but I'm not afraid to fix things when they break. I don't know that it's suitable for everyone. |
| 10:36.31 | sonasks | it`s a 250 Gb hd on pretty old motherboard |
| 10:36.36 | lunitik | daft: kill kicker and run it again? (it shoulda restarted on its own though... so make sure it really died...) |
| 10:36.43 | Johnny_5 | cdrom...thanx |
| 10:37.01 | sonasks | i want to connect it to some newer hardware to check if it a MB fault or not |
| 10:37.19 | daft | lunitik well its gone. ill kill kicker |
| 10:37.26 | sonasks | on kernel during boot gave me some nasty ba crc or seek error |
| 10:37.37 | Jel | what CD can i download for debian |
| 10:37.38 | Johnny_5 | is it healthy for external hdd to stay on all the time or would it be better to turn it off from time to time |
| 10:37.40 | Buchannon | peterS: I know you could probably tell, but I am still new to linux. I would love to be able to fix things but I simply don't know how... I am putting a fresh install on a new computer tonight and think I'll try out testing instead of stable |
| 10:37.41 | Jel | that is "base" ? |
| 10:37.46 | sonasks | but usually mounts fine |
| 10:37.51 | Jel | etch... |
| 10:37.54 | wut | Rizzer, E: Couldn't find package unrar-free |
| 10:37.54 | Jel | CD1 |
| 10:37.55 | Jel | ? |
| 10:37.57 | sonasks | no it`s a hd for backup |
| 10:38.02 | daft | there was no kicker but now i started it |
| 10:38.05 | daft | thanks |
| 10:38.06 | sonasks | system is on different channel |
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| 10:38.18 | Rizzer | wut: are you using sarge or unstable? |
| 10:38.22 | Jel | i've only got 2g free on this laptop... |
| 10:38.27 | Jel | and i cant fit the whole dvd |
| 10:38.30 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - can anybody point me to an ip aliasing tutorial for sarge? |
| 10:38.50 | Jel | and my desktop (got like 400gb free) doesnt have any os... |
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| 10:39.07 | casanova_ | hm, a stupid question: how do i install a .deb package with dpkg? |
| 10:39.12 | azeem | man dpkg |
| 10:39.17 | casanova_ | dpkg package.deb? |
| 10:39.18 | onetinsoldier | dpkg -i <pakcage> |
| 10:39.20 | azeem | dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 10:39.21 | tijn | dpkg - i package.deb |
| 10:39.21 | casanova_ | aha |
| 10:39.22 | wut | unstable |
| 10:39.23 | casanova_ | thx |
| 10:39.25 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 10:39.40 | Buchannon | peterS: so stable = sarge, what are the 'names' of testing and unstable? |
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| 10:39.45 | Rizzer | onetinsoldier wins :) |
| 10:39.50 | onetinsoldier | sorry.. i make damn typos' |
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| 10:40.01 | onetinsoldier | thanks.. i typo'd tho.. lol |
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| 10:40.11 | Rizzer | hmm.. azeem then ;) |
| 10:40.15 | casanova_ | shit, skype wouldn't install on AMD 64 as a debian package |
| 10:40.18 | Johnny_5 | etch and sid |
| 10:40.23 | sonasks | ok, here it goes - i`m disconnecting the dirve :D |
| 10:40.27 | casanova_ | must download binary |
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| 10:40.41 | GoAuLd | is there something to detect new drives (HD) and making changes to /etc/fstab automatically? |
| 10:40.53 | GoAuLd | what kind of O.S is this that is needed the editing of files to do things? |
| 10:40.54 | Jel | will CD1 of etch iso's just allow me to install a BASE system ? |
| 10:41.01 | Jel | i'll apt-get what i want later... |
| 10:41.07 | blondie | GoAuLd: a unix-like one |
| 10:41.10 | Johnny_5 | is it healthy for external hdd to stay on all the time or would it be better to turn it off from time to time? |
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| 10:41.23 | Jel | johnny its fine |
| 10:41.28 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 10:41.33 | Jel | as long as its not getting overly hot |
| 10:41.39 | Jel | or getting knocked about :) |
| 10:41.55 | Johnny_5 | thanx guys |
| 10:42.11 | Johnny_5 | well i better head for bed |
| 10:42.19 | onetinsoldier | Johnny_5: personally, i would turn it off... unless your using it every thirty minutes or something. then i'd consider leaving it running |
| 10:42.42 | Johnny_5 | its just sitting there on my desk |
| 10:42.55 | peppet | GoAuLd: gnome-volume-manager can automount removable media |
| 10:42.58 | Johnny_5 | that's what i use to do when i first got it |
| 10:43.05 | onetinsoldier | hd's take up a fiar amount of power too... |
| 10:43.12 | onetinsoldier | *fair |
| 10:43.18 | johnnyss | I have a overlay problem over 1536 pixels wide video with an ATI radeon 9250 I get purple color to the right, I use standard Xfree86 on sarge. |
| 10:44.14 | johnnyss | Is the resolution an limitation on ati cards? it is an HD movie at 1920 x 1080 resolution, |
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| 10:44.35 | Johnny_5 | it started playin' dragonball funny and when i went to play the next one it told me totem couldn't play it...something like it didn't have the right plugins or something...i had to restart it to get it to work right again |
| 10:44.42 | lewis | I have a database of foo, in the form foo.sql - how do I import it as a database called bar? |
| 10:44.47 | fluxdude | I'm trying to find any file modified in the last 24 hours but this isn't working "find ./ -mtime +1" or "find ./ -ctime +1" |
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| 10:44.58 | johnnyss | Xorg have the same problem. |
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| 10:45.28 | Johnny_5 | ok well i'm goin' to bed now |
| 10:45.29 | Angels2 | lewis: taling of mysql? |
| 10:45.31 | peppet | lewis: mysql <foo.sql if it's a mysql dump |
| 10:45.32 | Johnny_5 | later all |
| 10:45.35 | Johnny_5 | and good nite |
| 10:45.37 | etch4us | bye |
| 10:45.46 | onetinsoldier | night |
| 10:45.50 | lewis | peppet: but wouldn't it be important into 'foo' database, and not 'bar'? |
| 10:46.15 | setcode | hello |
| 10:46.16 | tarzeau | lewis: try -1 ? |
| 10:46.17 | Angels2 | lewis, create the database first, then mysql -u -p -Dbar < foo.sql |
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| 10:46.33 | pumpido | hi |
| 10:46.39 | pumpido | hello |
| 10:46.41 | etch4us | hello |
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| 10:46.54 | lewis | sorry, isn't -p password? |
| 10:46.56 | peppet | lewis: search for 'create database' statements on top of foo.sql |
| 10:46.57 | Angels2 | lewis: check the foo.sql first if the dump creates the database, if so ... simply rename it :) |
| 10:47.00 | pumpido | I,m spanish |
| 10:47.15 | Angels2 | lewis -u = user, -p = password, -D = mysql |
| 10:47.17 | pumpido | can you speal with you in inglish? |
| 10:47.21 | lewis | ah ok |
| 10:47.37 | pumpido | I need to practic your lenguague |
| 10:47.46 | Angels2 | lewis : -D = database .. typo :P |
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| 10:47.49 | sonasks | how can i reset the root password ? |
| 10:47.58 | sonasks | is there a way ? |
| 10:48.02 | deadcat | sonasks: passwd |
| 10:48.03 | pumpido | do you undesand? |
| 10:48.22 | deadcat | sonasks: of course you have to BE root first (= |
| 10:48.24 | pumpido | Some person speak spanish? |
| 10:48.41 | sonasks | if i can`t be root cause i forgot ? |
| 10:48.46 | pumpido | Roo? |
| 10:48.51 | lewis | to clarify: 'mysql -u user -p password -D bar < foo.sql' |
| 10:48.53 | deadcat | sonasks: livecd to rescue |
| 10:48.57 | pumpido | I want to speak in spanish |
| 10:49.01 | lewis | I'd rather not edit the .sql file, as I might be doing it frequently |
| 10:49.23 | pumpido | hola |
| 10:49.25 | Angels2 | lewis: yes, but please remove the spaces, or you MAY run into trouble, f.e instead of -D bar write -Dbar |
| 10:49.26 | pumpido | hi |
| 10:49.55 | deadcat | !es |
| 10:49.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:49.59 | r_marvin | lewis: don't use space after -p |
| 10:50.00 | peppet | sonasks: pass init=/bin/sh option to kernel at boot time |
| 10:50.11 | Angels2 | lewis: if you dont want to update it frequently and the target database is alway bar instead of foo, just make sure your dump doesnt contain a CREATE DataBase Syntax |
| 10:50.13 | r_marvin | that's the only trick |
| 10:50.19 | pumpido | hola |
| 10:50.28 | lewis | can I specify that with the mysql dump command? |
| 10:50.29 | sonasks | if i pass it it will give me sh |
| 10:50.37 | pumpido | i want to speak in spanish, Can I? |
| 10:50.44 | sonasks | without root and then i can change the password? |
| 10:50.48 | r_marvin | lewis: yes, it is implicit |
| 10:51.00 | pumpido | do you meat root? |
| 10:51.08 | pumpido | H RU? |
| 10:51.14 | r_marvin | lewis: there is a --create-databases switch or something similar |
| 10:51.14 | pumpido | rur? |
| 10:51.19 | pumpido | RUTA? |
| 10:51.28 | Rizzer | pumpido: do you know what Debian is? |
| 10:51.28 | lewis | r_marvin: how come -D isn't in 'man mysql'? |
| 10:51.36 | Angels2 | r_marvin - afaik there is a -e command which executes a sql statement :) |
| 10:51.38 | pumpido | NO, RIZZER |
| 10:51.43 | r_marvin | no need for -D |
| 10:51.57 | r_marvin | first non-option argument is the database |
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| 10:52.11 | r_marvin | Angels2: true, but he wants dump/restore |
| 10:52.17 | r_marvin | or so i understand |
| 10:52.24 | lewis | ah ok |
| 10:52.28 | Rizzer | pumpido: then go away and don't come back until you've read http://www.debian.org/index.es.html |
| 10:52.36 | Angels2 | r_marvin: well he didnt tell what exactly he wants to dump/restore :P |
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| 10:52.59 | Angels2 | but as always there are loads of ways to do the trick |
| 10:53.24 | lewis | how about: mysql --user=username --password=password bar < foo.sql [and remove the bar, if the .sql doesn't have a create database statement] |
| 10:54.02 | Angels2 | lewis --user = -u, --password = -p :P |
| 10:54.12 | lewis | yeh - looks neat though :P |
| 10:54.21 | r_marvin | lewis: if you remove the bar, you need a "use bar" statement in foo.sql |
| 10:54.25 | Jel | is CD1 of the Etch iso's the BASE installation ? |
| 10:54.32 | Jel | i want to apt-get the other stuff later... |
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| 10:54.56 | Angels2 | lewis: what r_marvin told and if the database doesnt exists and isnt created by foo.sql you need to create it |
| 10:54.57 | lewis | r_marvin: if I have a 'CREATE DATABASE foo' in foo.sql, and use the aforementioned command, will the create statement be ignored? |
| 10:55.12 | r_marvin | no, it wil give a warning |
| 10:55.17 | Angels2 | :) |
| 10:55.18 | r_marvin | no error though |
| 10:55.28 | Angels2 | lewis: if a database exists it cant be created :P |
| 10:55.41 | r_marvin | Angels2: no, he needs to specify somehow the database he uses |
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| 10:55.46 | Angels2 | note to self: i should stop with those smileys |
| 10:55.59 | r_marvin | the inser/update statements do not specify the db |
| 10:56.13 | Angels2 | r_marvin: yes, with either -D or databse as first (?) parameter |
| 10:56.22 | r_marvin | so either that or "USE db" |
| 10:56.26 | juanma | Hi! What is the pkg do I have to dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure network params? |
| 10:56.31 | Angels2 | hehe... many ways to do the trick :P |
| 10:56.45 | juanma | To dont edit by hand the network/interfaces |
| 10:58.34 | lewis | so, I want to update the database called 'bar', using a dump of 'foo' (which includes 'create database foo'), I'll run: mysql --username=user --password=pass bar < foo.sql and it'll give me a warning, but no error, and won't affect foo database at all (whether it exists or not) |
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| 11:11.26 | wizzomafizzo | Hi, |
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| 11:11.57 | wizzomafizzo | I'm running debian testing, I compiled my own kernel but when I shutdown it says system has halted but won't actually shut down. |
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| 11:12.15 | SpYmaSteR | hi all |
| 11:12.25 | wizzomafizzo | It's fine when I reboot though. Is it okay just to press the power button after it's halted everything? |
| 11:12.38 | noxl | do you have acpi module installe |
| 11:12.50 | wizzomafizzo | I'm using apm |
| 11:12.53 | wizzomafizzo | Compiled in |
| 11:13.09 | SpYmaSteR | hi all |
| 11:13.15 | peppet | wizzomafizzo: yes, it's fine |
| 11:13.16 | Noboru | I remember mod_dosevasive exists in woody ? |
| 11:13.22 | Noboru | its gone in sarge :( |
| 11:13.34 | wizzomafizzo | peppet: Thanks, good to know. |
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| 11:16.27 | wizzomafizzo | Also, when I install fonts or try reinstalling x-ttcidfont-conf I get this error: Can't exec "/usr/bin/mkfontdir": No such file or directory at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/x-ttcidfont-conf.defoma line 252. |
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| 11:16.45 | wizzomafizzo | Is that anything to worry about? The fonts seems to install fine |
| 11:18.16 | onetinsoldier | wizzomafizzo: make a symlink to stop the error |
| 11:18.42 | wizzomafizzo | onetinsoldier: A symlink to what? |
| 11:18.46 | onetinsoldier | cd /usr/bin && ln -sv /usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir . |
| 11:19.02 | wizzomafizzo | Thanks |
| 11:19.09 | onetinsoldier | your welcome :-) |
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| 11:20.46 | wizzomafizzo | onetinsoldier: Will I have to reinstall my fonts or should it all be ok? |
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| 11:20.52 | np_complete | hi all |
| 11:21.38 | onetinsoldier | wizzomafizzo: i'm not sure to be honest. but i think sinice it was looking for mkfondir before and didn't find it, i'd reinstall them to be certain |
| 11:21.43 | onetinsoldier | *since |
| 11:21.43 | juanma | is it possible to reconfigure the network in etch without editing the /network/interfaces???? |
| 11:21.59 | np_complete | My CUPS is stucked, I tray to remove 2 printing jobs, but gnoe-cups-manager crashes. |
| 11:22.42 | np_complete | even i reboot my computer, the printing jobs still apear in list |
| 11:23.11 | wizzomafizzo | onetinsoldier: I tried reinstalling it but now it gives this: opendir: No such file or directory |
| 11:23.18 | wizzomafizzo | And it kind of crashes |
| 11:23.48 | wizzomafizzo | Doesn't tell me it's finished successfully but still marks it as installed |
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| 11:24.04 | juanma | is it possible to reconfigure the network in etch without editing the /network/interfaces???? |
| 11:24.05 | peppet | np_complete: rm /var/spool/cups/* |
| 11:24.31 | onetinsoldier | wizzomafizzo: hmmm, i trying to think about what might be the cause. |
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| 11:25.28 | onetinsoldier | wizzomafizzo: do you have perl installed? |
| 11:25.51 | wizzomafizzo | Yes |
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| 11:26.23 | onetinsoldier | wizzomafizzo: i don't know what's up then, sorry. |
| 11:26.34 | wizzomafizzo | Alright, I'll check it out myself |
| 11:26.37 | wizzomafizzo | Thanks anyway |
| 11:26.44 | onetinsoldier | wizzomafizzo: ok.. good luck. |
| 11:26.49 | wizzomafizzo | Yep |
| 11:27.32 | kain__ | hello.. |
| 11:27.48 | np_complete | peppet: didn't work |
| 11:27.59 | np_complete | jobs still at queue |
| 11:28.20 | np_complete | and if i turn on the printer it just goes crazy. |
| 11:28.34 | peppet | np_complete: have you restarted cups? |
| 11:28.38 | np_complete | no |
| 11:28.46 | kain__ | anybody used hand phone with linux? |
| 11:28.51 | peppet | np_complete: then restart it |
| 11:28.55 | np_complete | restarted... |
| 11:29.08 | np_complete | ok, done |
| 11:29.28 | kain__ | cell ? |
| 11:29.39 | peppet | np_complete: still jobs in queue? |
| 11:30.09 | onetinsoldier | juanma: i'm not sure about your question, but since no one else has tried to answer i'll say, you can try.... dpkg-reconfigure net-tools |
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| 11:30.17 | np_complete | peppet, no, thanks |
| 11:30.25 | np_complete | i a noob on cups, thanks |
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| 11:30.46 | onetinsoldier | juanma: i'm not sure that's the right package though. |
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| 11:31.05 | peppet | np_complete: you're welcome |
| 11:31.05 | juanma | onetinsoldier, thanks but does not work either |
| 11:31.41 | np_complete | peppet, hey, now i can't print anything |
| 11:31.43 | onetinsoldier | juanma: darn, sorry. i am pretty sure there is a way. i think you just have to do it for the correct package |
| 11:32.07 | np_complete | maybe because a did rm /var/spool/* |
| 11:32.19 | peppet | np_complete: no |
| 11:32.27 | np_complete | in fact i did "rm -r /var/spool/*" |
| 11:32.34 | onetinsoldier | juanma: it might be netbase.. don't know |
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| 11:33.19 | juanma | onetinsoldier, no, I've tried to reconfigure net* |
| 11:34.07 | onetinsoldier | juanma: ok. i don't know where the wizards are that are usually hangning around on here... like stew or abrotman |
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| 11:34.13 | onetinsoldier | they would know |
| 11:34.46 | juanma | ok onetinsoldier , thanks anyway |
| 11:34.47 | np_complete | i did "rm -r /var/spool/*" now my printer doe not print, how to fix it? |
| 11:34.53 | onetinsoldier | sure |
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| 11:36.29 | peppet | np_complete: cd /var/spool/cups;mkdir tmp;chown root.lpadmin tmp;chmod 1770 tmp |
| 11:37.53 | Noboru | where is the apache source folder if i installed apache1.3 via apt-get install ? |
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| 11:38.37 | np_complete | peppet ok, thanks |
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| 11:38.51 | np_complete | i hate gpdf, is there a new pdf browser? |
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| 11:38.59 | peppet | np_complete: xpdf |
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| 11:39.29 | np_complete | xpdf doesn't print correctly, gpdf de |
| 11:39.42 | fwtest | how can i check my processor and ram with console, which command i can use? |
| 11:39.47 | np_complete | sorry , gpdf do |
| 11:39.52 | Sirius_Black | hi guys, unstable user here - the last I installed debian was about 4 yrs ago. now a mte of mine wants to install debian and I am looking for a net install CD that will instal either basic testing system or basic unstable system. any idea where to get ISOs from please |
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| 11:40.28 | Trewas | np_complete: evince is the pdf-reader in gnome nowadays |
| 11:41.02 | DonLemmi | Hi, how can i install xserver-xorg on a x64 System running etch? When i try apt-get install xserver-xorg it tells me something about dependencies to virtual packages? |
| 11:41.27 | k31th | Guys I have a box running nix, and i need to make a complete copy of it. wats the best way. The idea is if this box fails the other box can take over |
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| 11:41.51 | Dewi | Sirius_Black: I've had problems with the testing netinsts (because they themselves are being tested). Grab the sarge/stable netinst and do an *expert* install. It will ask whether you want to keep up on stable/testing/unstable at the end of the install. |
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| 11:42.43 | peppet | fwest: cat /proc/cpuinfo and free |
| 11:42.57 | Sirius_Black | Dewi: thnx mate. if i select unstable for example, will it also install the appropriate kernel for unstable or will it instal sarge's kernel |
| 11:43.03 | Dewi | Sirius_Black: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:43.10 | np_complete | Trewas, thanks |
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| 11:43.33 | Dewi | Sirius_Black: you'll start on sarge's kernel. I'd advise doing "expert26" at the boot menu so it's a 2.6 kernel instead of 2.4, too |
| 11:43.48 | np_complete | bye |
| 11:43.57 | Sirius_Black | alright Dewi cheers matey |
| 11:44.07 | Dewi | Sirius_Black: but once the install completes and you've chosen "unstable", your next apt update/upgrade will install new kernels and packages |
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| 11:44.21 | Dewi | Sirius_Black: or testing for that matter |
| 11:44.39 | Sirius_Black | that is great tnx - as i said the last time i had to install debian was abotu 4 yrs ago :-). the thing just works :-) |
| 11:44.42 | Noboru | If you installed apache1.3 via apt-get install, then it doesn't have DSO support ? |
| 11:45.02 | onetinsoldier | Sirius_Black: i installed etch(testing) using net install floppies. there were a couple of gotchas i could tell you about, but if you use a cd .iso they may not be a problem. |
| 11:45.44 | Dewi | Sirius_Black: yeah. I've had basically no problems after I stopped using "unstable" ISOs themselves |
| 11:46.03 | Sirius_Black | great tnx guys |
| 11:46.05 | onetinsoldier | Sirius_Black: for instance, the net install floppies installed a 2.4.x kernel instead of the normal 2.6.x etch kernels. |
| 11:46.44 | Dewi | onetinsoldier: on sarge 2.4 was still default, but you could override with a boot menu selection |
| 11:46.50 | Dewi | onetinsoldier: on CD you could anyway |
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| 11:47.28 | onetinsoldier | Sirius_Black: and for the etch net install floppies you have to make sure to only install the very basic system. uncheck the 'standard' and 'desktop' options at the end. only install the very basic system with the net install floppies |
| 11:48.11 | onetinsoldier | Dewi: yeah.. maybe with the CD. not with the net install floppies tho. beleive me, i tried.. i tried the linux26 or whatever option it is |
| 11:49.55 | onetinsoldier | but after the very basic system was done, i just apt-get installed a 2.6.x kernel and module-assistant... rebooted and purged the 2.4.x kernel and modutils |
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| 11:50.14 | Scilab^help^seek | hi room! |
| 11:50.27 | Scilab^help^seek | anyone working with paralle scilab |
| 11:50.31 | Scilab^help^seek | ? |
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| 11:50.39 | Dewi | onetinsoldier: ugh. tasksel. What a stupid and insecure idea it is. |
| 11:50.53 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 11:51.15 | Dewi | onetinsoldier: it's ridiculous anyway. if I'm running a "web server" it doesn't mean I want every different thing that could ever possibly be used to host web pages. I just want the 4 or 5 products I actually use. |
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| 11:52.24 | onetinsoldier | Dewi: i hear ya. i just use aptitude or apt-get myself. but tasksel might be good for people new to linux |
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| 11:52.35 | fwtest | peppet, there is no info about the ram? |
| 11:52.52 | wizzomafizzo | I've never thought about it being secure but I always just press enter and it let it update, then work from there with apt-get |
| 11:52.54 | Dewi | onetinsoldier: I can sort of see why people want it.... but I think it's irresponsible to provide a tool like that without putting a lot more effort in |
| 11:52.58 | wizzomafizzo | I hate a preconfigured system :/ |
| 11:53.04 | peppet | fwtest: size or what? |
| 11:54.16 | ankur | hello i want to play "http://www.1.fm/player/energybbfm32k.asx" , its live audio streaming , so which player i need to use ? |
| 11:54.33 | fwtest | size |
| 11:54.51 | fwtest | peppet |
| 11:54.51 | wizzomafizzo | onetinsoldier: That symlink seems to be working alright, even with then new error it seems alot better then the ones it was spouting before |
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| 11:55.14 | peppet | fwtest: /usr/bin/free |
| 11:55.32 | fwtest | cool |
| 11:55.48 | onetinsoldier | wizzomafizzo: well that's good! maybe every once in a while you should ask about the error your still getting, you might get someone who knows |
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| 11:56.30 | wizzomafizzo | onetinsoldier: Yeah, thanks again |
| 11:56.35 | onetinsoldier | sure.. np |
| 11:56.47 | tarzeau | anyone got an idea how to tell update-grub to put lock entries to all menu entries but the first or the default? |
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| 11:57.43 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:57.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 11:59.24 | zimnyx | I'm runnung Etch (+unstable/experim packages) on my laptop. Is there a way to make suspend working on 2.6.15? kernel-patch-suspend2 is for 2.6.11 max |
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| 12:02.42 | Dewi | I just can't read "popcon" as anything other than "popcorn" |
| 12:02.51 | Dewi | therefore I hate that damn factoid |
| 12:03.04 | Dewi | !popcorn |
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| 12:03.44 | Dewi | well done, dpkg. |
| 12:04.52 | Trewas | zimnyx: you don't necessarily need any patches to kernel for suspend to work, but if you need, suspend2 seems to be available for newer kernels (in http://www.suspend2.net/) |
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| 12:06.18 | zimnyx | Trewas: yeah, but debian's maintainer of suspend package says that debian kernels can't be patched with it , because they are strongly modified. |
| 12:07.07 | Noboru | a while ago,i tried to install libapache-mod-dosevasive,but it says independencies problem,how come ? |
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| 12:07.26 | Noboru | oops,i meant,i downloaded that deb file manually |
| 12:07.44 | Noboru | since it came from testing/unstable <i didn't notice >then it says it cannot be installed |
| 12:08.12 | Noboru | i gave it up,but now i run apt-get upgrade,it says 'You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these' |
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| 12:08.30 | Noboru | it says that whatever i want to install a package via apt-get now |
| 12:08.55 | onetinsoldier | Noboru: try dpkg --purge libapache-mod-dosevasive |
| 12:09.02 | Noboru | ok |
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| 12:09.20 | onetinsoldier | i forget exactly how to solve.. so let me know if that works or not |
| 12:10.11 | Trewas | zimnyx: hmm, you'd probably have to compile your own kernel then... or try if the in-kernel swsusp works |
| 12:10.26 | Noboru | onetinsoldier, Thank you, yeah it worked ! :) |
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| 12:10.41 | onetinsoldier | good deal. you're welcome :-) |
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| 12:13.08 | zimnyx | Trewas: thanks. |
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| 12:20.09 | tarzeau | please please someone fix #120125 |
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| 12:23.25 | bnovc | when i ssh to my debian box and resize my terminal the display sends improperly; i havent had this happen on my solaris or freebsd box; any suggestions? |
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| 12:24.08 | peppet | tarzeau: see lockalternatives option in menu.lst |
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| 12:27.18 | raden | is a yonah core better than a prescott . Opinions ? |
| 12:27.35 | Xteven | hi, would anyone happen to know if and where I can find debian packages for apache 2.2.2 ? |
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| 12:29.18 | tarzeau | peppet: it somehow didn't work . how to use it exactly? |
| 12:29.24 | tarzeau | peppet: if it works, the bug should be closed... |
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| 12:30.34 | tarzeau | peppet: i'm updating the patch, otavio will upload it |
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| 12:36.56 | sciboy_ | Hey guys, my new system is freezing constantly. |
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| 12:37.24 | sciboy_ | And i mean, complete system freeze, doesn't even respond to ping. |
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| 12:37.57 | sciboy_ | I haven't found the trigger yet, but UT2004 manages to kill it in about 20 seconds. |
| 12:38.10 | sciboy_ | Other applications take like 3-10 minutes. |
| 12:38.53 | tiagosab | sciboy_: do the magic keys work? |
| 12:39.16 | sciboy_ | tiagosab, complete system crash. No rebooting, no killing X, no switching terminals. |
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| 12:39.46 | tiagosab | sciboy_: something on the logs? |
| 12:39.51 | cableroy | anyone run apache2 with vhots in chroot jail with php,perl and other tools for webusers? |
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| 12:39.55 | Knight_Lord | sciboy_ altgr + sysrq + h? |
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| 12:40.08 | sciboy_ | ALTGR? |
| 12:40.16 | Knight_Lord | Alt green |
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| 12:40.43 | sciboy_ | ... That doesn't make any more sense to me. |
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| 12:41.14 | Knight_Lord | sciboy_ a key in most PC keyboards right of the space |
| 12:41.57 | sciboy_ | Knight_Lord, I'll give it a try after the memtest finishes. |
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| 12:42.41 | sciboy_ | Knight_Lord, Although, 77% and no reports. |
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| 12:45.37 | Fredyy | hi @ all |
| 12:46.04 | Noboru | can i ask DOSHashTableSize 3097 # here 3097 is in Mb ? mb ?bit ?byte or whatever ? |
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| 12:46.37 | YogSothoth | Hi! |
| 12:46.43 | Fredyy | does anybody know a problem about the "SiS 748" Chipset? I cna't install my debian. I always get "lost interrupt" errors. But Gentoo was working fine with the same hardware. |
| 12:47.48 | sciboy_ | tiagosab, Any logs you'd recommend checking? |
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| 12:49.31 | cableroy | where do i find apache2 modules for debian, i miss mod_alias and others and can't find them with apt-cache search |
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| 12:50.46 | maxweber | hmm, how can i search the archive of http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-exim4-users ? |
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| 12:52.11 | charzero | Is there a way to tell apt that I installed a particular program in /usr/local and that it shouldn't try to install it if it is a dependancy? or should i have made a .deb? |
| 12:52.42 | ktwilight | you should have made a .deb |
| 12:53.42 | Fredyy | anybody there how knows "sis 748" problems with debian? |
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| 12:53.53 | pipeline | Fredyy: disable acpi |
| 12:54.25 | onetinsoldier | charzero: was this from compiling and installing something from source? |
| 12:54.30 | dobby | what command do I need when i want to know how many physical drives I have on a machin? |
| 12:54.36 | dobby | harddrives |
| 12:55.39 | ktwilight | should be sfdisk -l |
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| 12:57.56 | wam | dobby: you can't find out for sure. Because most raid-controllers don't reveal how the configuration behind them looks like (without special tools). |
| 12:58.34 | sonasks | anyone had the kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
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| 12:58.40 | sonasks | during bootup ? |
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| 12:58.50 | sonasks | it`s on a 250 GB drive |
| 12:58.56 | sonasks | maybe i have to enable something ? |
| 12:59.00 | sonasks | it`s a new drive |
| 12:59.04 | sonasks | on kernel 2.6.9 |
| 12:59.17 | MatBoy | Is the Sarge NetInstall CD also available for download with the latest stable kernel ? |
| 12:59.21 | sussudio | sonasks: i got that before my harddisk died |
| 12:59.31 | rohan | i have a separate /boot .. i installed another distro (suse 10.1) thus wiping /boot and with it, the debian kernels and all. now i repent, and want to get back to debian ;) how do i get my /boot and menu.lst in "The Debian Way" (tm) ? |
| 12:59.48 | Jel | hmmm |
| 12:59.48 | sonasks | was it big ? |
| 12:59.53 | Jel | XFCE4 or gnome |
| 12:59.56 | sonasks | i mean your hdd :D |
| 12:59.57 | raden | anyone notice any speed improvements with a dual core CPU ? |
| 12:59.59 | sussudio | sonasks: no. it was old. |
| 13:00.08 | Jel | for a file server/desktop (95% of the time file server) |
| 13:00.15 | Myon | rohan: reinstall the boot loader and the kernel/modules packages |
| 13:00.19 | sonasks | mybe i have to enable LBA for this drive |
| 13:00.24 | sussudio | raden: not really. |
| 13:00.26 | sonasks | but how to do it :D |
| 13:00.39 | rohan | Myon: but i need to get into debian for that |
| 13:00.56 | Myon | use any boot CD and chroot into the root partition |
| 13:00.57 | rohan | how do i do that ? |
| 13:00.59 | rohan | oh |
| 13:01.09 | rohan | and then how do i reinstall ? apt-get install --reinstall ? |
| 13:01.11 | Myon | or try root=/dev/foo |
| 13:01.12 | Myon | yes |
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| 13:01.18 | gnychis | i mounted my ipod as root by doing "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod", i am now running gtkpod as a regular user and want to write to the ipod but i get "Error opening '/mnt/ipod/Ipod_Control/Music/F15/gtkpod0234234.mp3' for writing (Permission denied)." ... how can i give my regular user permission to write? |
| 13:02.05 | sussudio | gnychis: man fstab |
| 13:02.05 | MatBoy | How can I check which kernel a NetINstallCD holds ? |
| 13:02.22 | sussudio | hmm. |
| 13:02.25 | rohan | 18:27 -!- [matthias] [n=matthias@85-124-27-101.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has left #suse [] |
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| 13:02.28 | rohan | errr.. sorry |
| 13:02.28 | onetinsoldier | Jel: hello... i would install xfce4. gnome-session can be run within xfce4 if you choose |
| 13:02.29 | sussudio | gnychis: you appear to be a gentoo user. why do you come in here? |
| 13:02.39 | dobby | is it possible to clone a raid system with the dd command? |
| 13:03.04 | gnychis | sussudio: because its a non-gentoo specific question and no one else was answering |
| 13:03.11 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 13:03.15 | Myon | gnychis: man mount, umask, uid... |
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| 13:03.41 | rohan | sussudio: how did you know he is a gentoo user |
| 13:03.59 | gnychis | whois me |
| 13:04.15 | sussudio | uh huh. |
| 13:04.42 | rohan | gnychis: what filesystem type is it / |
| 13:04.44 | DonLemmi | How can i install stuff from the "fixed-in-experimental" part of debian? |
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| 13:04.54 | azeem | DonLemmi: uh, try not to |
| 13:05.02 | azeem | DonLemmi: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 13:05.07 | DonLemmi | etch |
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| 13:05.11 | MatBoy | liable, are you there ? |
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| 13:05.12 | Myon | DonLemmi: if you need to ask, please don't try, it will likely break your system |
| 13:05.27 | Myon | wait until it's at least in unstable |
| 13:05.34 | tiagosab | sciboy_: kern.log, messages.log |
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| 13:05.48 | MatBoy | DonLemmi, I'm going back to stable again |
| 13:05.50 | DonLemmi | There is a bug in the xserver-xorg package => http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=etch&package=xorg-x11 |
| 13:06.06 | rohan | Myon: so, just use knoppix cd, chroot into my deb install, and reinstall the kernel and grub ? |
| 13:06.09 | tiagosab | sciboy_: And I would try to run some command line apps on the console to see if the computer hangs... |
| 13:06.21 | Myon | rohan: that's what I would do |
| 13:06.35 | Myon | oh, and of course mount /boot in the right place |
| 13:06.38 | DonLemmi | I'd like to anyway install the xserver-xorg package. Or is there another solution to install xserver-xorg on an amd64? |
| 13:06.38 | sciboy_ | tiagosab, It crashed multiple times during installation, which is ncurses based. |
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| 13:06.48 | rohan | Myon: /boot in the chroot ? |
| 13:06.53 | Myon | yes |
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| 13:07.06 | azeem | DonLemmi: xserver-xorg shouldn't be in experimental AFAIK |
| 13:07.12 | azeem | at least not the latest version |
| 13:07.14 | rohan | like, mount /dev/hdXX /mnt/debCHROOT/boot ? |
| 13:07.17 | sonasks | how can i enable lba for a hdd ?? |
| 13:07.20 | Myon | DonLemmi: X is a big mess atm |
| 13:07.20 | azeem | or did they upload 7.1 recently? |
| 13:07.22 | DonLemmi | azeem, no, but the fixed xserver-xorg is |
| 13:07.25 | DonLemmi | wait a sec please |
| 13:07.46 | MatBoy | Guys, noby know about a NetInstallCD with the latest kernel ? Someone told me yesterday |
| 13:07.50 | tiagosab | sciboy_: It's important, you're right. So I'd try to play with kernel options... |
| 13:07.52 | DonLemmi | azeem, http://rafb.net/paste/results/m7KQZs85.html |
| 13:07.54 | azeem | DonLemmi: packages.debian.org/xserver-xorg |
| 13:07.56 | Myon | it should propagate into testing any day now (today?), but things might differ for amd64 |
| 13:07.58 | DonLemmi | azeem, http://rafb.net/paste/results/6eHC7l26.html |
| 13:08.11 | DonLemmi | these are the errors i get when trying to install xserver-xorg |
| 13:08.20 | tiagosab | turn off acpi, apm, framebuffer and look in dmesg to see if there is error messages |
| 13:08.33 | daft | MatBoy you can install the latest kernel after install |
| 13:08.41 | azeem | DonLemmi: yeah, well, it's broken |
| 13:08.50 | [bsd] | hi, friends! |
| 13:08.53 | MatBoy | daft, yes I know, but I have a hardwrae problem with the kernel in Stable :S |
| 13:08.54 | azeem | DonLemmi: you cannot install X on etch/amd64 yet |
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| 13:09.02 | MatBoy | daft, Etch wanted to boot |
| 13:09.22 | DonLemmi | azeem, so there is no way to fix that? Maybe an older version or something? |
| 13:09.22 | Myon | DonLemmi: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 13:09.37 | azeem | Myon: well, amd64 is a special case here I think |
| 13:09.43 | daft | MatBoy you can select a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel have you tryed them both? |
| 13:09.44 | DonLemmi | Myon, they switched to the modular buld right? |
| 13:09.51 | Myon | the wiki page is the best we can offer atm |
| 13:10.01 | MatBoy | daft, I tried them both... |
| 13:10.09 | [bsd] | which is the best JVM for Debian sid? |
| 13:10.10 | azeem | DonLemmi: either you wait a few days, or you feel suicidal and use unstable |
| 13:10.12 | Myon | if that doesn't work, use i386 for now, I guess |
| 13:10.18 | azeem | but maybe it is broken as well |
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| 13:10.55 | Myon | DonLemmi: or use Sarge plus backports.org, there's X.org |
| 13:11.08 | gnychis | rohan: it is vfat, and my fstab entry is: /dev/ipod /mnt/ipod vfat sync,nodev,nosuid,user,rw,noauto 0 0 |
| 13:11.12 | jerry | any have experience using autofs with a NFS share to another debian box? |
| 13:11.20 | Myon | gnychis: uid, umask |
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| 13:11.55 | Myon | jerry: it works, but you won't get any useful answers until you as a /question/ |
| 13:11.55 | rohan | gnychis: then add umask=000 to the options |
| 13:11.56 | DonLemmi | Myon & azeem thanks, i'll wait a few days and cross my thumbs that they'll fix it :) |
| 13:11.59 | Myon | ask* |
| 13:12.03 | rohan | gnychis: that will give write perms to the normal user |
| 13:12.11 | rohan | gnychis: ewwww |
| 13:12.31 | rohan | gnychis: i would suggest "/dev/ipod /mnt/ipod vfat defaults,user,umask=000 0 0" |
| 13:12.42 | Myon | DonLemmi: it should have gone in 2 days ago, but ftp-master broke, so it will be RSN now |
| 13:12.58 | daft | MatBoy then take a look in http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ those are testing images |
| 13:13.00 | [bsd] | Jerry: what's your actual question? |
| 13:13.03 | onetinsoldier | what's rsn? |
| 13:13.08 | azeem | !rsn |
| 13:13.09 | dpkg | i guess rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 13:13.18 | onetinsoldier | hahah! i see. thx |
| 13:13.20 | DonLemmi | :) |
| 13:13.24 | Myon | oh well :) |
| 13:13.26 | MatBoy | daft, testing-images for stable ? I'm running etch now already |
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| 13:13.36 | jerry | I can mount the NFS using " mount -v -t nfs 192.168.1.34:/opt/epace /opt/epace-storage/ " , but the problem was I added that to "echo "192.168.1.66:/opt/epace /opt/epace-storage nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0 " >/etc/fstab " and the NIC comes up after the filesystems are mounted, so on restart of the box it did not work |
| 13:13.51 | jerry | so I planned on using autofs, ok that's the background |
| 13:14.21 | Myon | jerry: NFS should be postponed until after the network is up |
| 13:14.35 | Myon | maybe you are using a special driver that gets loaded too late |
| 13:14.48 | Myon | so better fix your networking, or shuffle some init scripts around |
| 13:15.10 | Myon | I strongly suggest the former, the shuffling will bite back eventually |
| 13:15.54 | Myon | LesleyB: sorry, you lost |
| 13:15.59 | LesleyB | ty Myon |
| 13:16.01 | jerry | myon: any suggestions on how to mount it after the NIC is intialized? that's why I was thinking the autofs |
| 13:16.18 | Myon | LesleyB: downgrading is a real pita, so reinstalling might be easier |
| 13:16.42 | LesleyB | yep |
| 13:16.47 | LesleyB | that or suicide ;) |
| 13:17.15 | Myon | it is possible, but you will need more than one pair of iron gloves to --force libc6 & friends |
| 13:18.00 | Fredyy | does anybody know a problem about the "SiS 748" Chipset? I cna't install my debian. I always get "lost interrupt" errors. But Gentoo was working fine with the same hardware. |
| 13:18.00 | gnychis | rohan: that works, thanks! |
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| 13:18.47 | Myon | jerry: I have an S45mountnfs.sh here, is that too early in your setup? |
| 13:18.50 | rohan | gnychis: :) |
| 13:18.52 | jerry | so my question relating to autofs is , I add "/opt/epace-storage /etc/auto.storage -v -d -t 60" to /etc/auto.master and created /etc/auto.storage "/opt/epace-storage -fstype=nfs,soft,intr 192.168.1.34:/opt/epace" , and I get no errors in syslog, and it starts fine. but when I go to that dir nothing is in it |
| 13:18.54 | LesleyB | how far away from release is etch |
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| 13:19.15 | ktwilight | how do i enable the usage of my sound card for different apps? |
| 13:19.16 | azeem | LesleyB: see the recent release update on debian-devel-announce |
| 13:19.17 | x`y`-xy | how can view all process and al port that are listening ? |
| 13:19.22 | Myon | LesleyB: ETA is December |
| 13:19.32 | ktwilight | ie when flash uses alsa, mplayer doens't work, vice versa |
| 13:19.46 | ktwilight | i can't quite remember what i needed to do... :/ |
| 13:19.54 | jerry | myon: you have a script that that does it? |
| 13:20.01 | Myon | ls rcS.d/ |
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| 13:20.56 | peppet | x`y`-xy: netstat -pluton |
| 13:21.15 | x`y`-xy | ok ..th |
| 13:21.18 | x`y`-xy | thanks |
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| 13:21.59 | tarzeau | damn can i use $10 or must i use shift for /bin/sh to get parameter 10 in a function? |
| 13:22.03 | jerry | myon: yeah that does not work, I originally had it in /etc/fstab, but the NIC comes up after that is ran |
| 13:22.24 | dimir | x`y`-xy: /msg dpkg nickometer x`y`-xy |
| 13:22.26 | dimir | :-P |
| 13:23.09 | Myon | jerry: the network should be brought up around 40* |
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| 13:23.19 | Myon | so I'd try to find out why it isn't |
| 13:23.20 | maxweber | exim4-config 4.62.1 (etch): why did it set rights on /var/mail/$mailboxes to gid=mail, uid=root? mutt desktop user cannot access the mailbox! ? |
| 13:23.31 | jerry | myon: ok, thanks |
| 13:24.00 | x`y`-xy | peppet ....but ...i have apache installed ..;and i don't see it here !!! |
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| 13:24.50 | dimir | installed != running!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111 |
| 13:24.57 | x`y`-xy | yes |
| 13:25.06 | x`y`-xy | :d |
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| 13:25.11 | fireba11 | ouch |
| 13:25.19 | dimir | :-D |
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| 13:25.30 | Fredyy | anybody there how knows "sis 748" problems with debian? |
| 13:25.31 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
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| 13:25.40 | Fredyy | i can't install it |
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| 13:25.44 | ArchitectSinan | why i'm getting "-bash: /usr/bin/mail: No such file or directory" when i try to send a mail |
| 13:25.57 | dimir | x`y`-xy: I'm refusing to help you until you change your nick to something readable. :-P |
| 13:26.02 | x`y`-xy | ok |
| 13:26.31 | fericitu_ | like this one ? |
| 13:26.45 | dimir | ye! |
| 13:26.50 | onetinsoldier | Fredyy: i can only say that i have seen plenty of people say they have some sort of problem when it comes to 'SiS' chipsets. sorry |
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| 13:27.00 | tony_ | s |
| 13:27.02 | dimir | Ferret: ask, please. :-D |
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| 13:27.06 | dimir | fericitu_ too |
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| 13:27.21 | r3m | what is SID |
| 13:27.32 | Fredyy | onetimesoldier: okay thanks anyway |
| 13:27.43 | onetinsoldier | sid is the 'unstable' version of debian |
| 13:27.47 | dimir | ArchitectSinan: apt-get install mailutils |
| 13:28.01 | r3m | this is not the testing one |
| 13:28.02 | r3m | ? |
| 13:28.13 | onetinsoldier | latest stable(sarge), testing(etch), unstable(sid) |
| 13:28.18 | r3m | ok |
| 13:28.20 | dimir | ye. |
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| 13:28.54 | r3m | !tell dli about best |
| 13:30.06 | sshsession | dimir : now its ok ? |
| 13:31.01 | dimir | sshsession: ye! Great job! |
| 13:31.50 | `Slay` | how to install sound on asus a3e notebook? |
| 13:32.13 | peppet | tarzeau: ${10} |
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| 13:32.43 | stew | `Slay`: /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 13:32.50 | diabolik | hi all |
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| 13:32.57 | sshsession | thanks ...now : ...i have the this cmd : netstat -pluton ...but i can't view the apache ...it is tuning |
| 13:33.04 | sshsession | runing |
| 13:33.06 | sshsession | soory |
| 13:33.29 | dimir | sshsession: I guess it is not running then. |
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| 13:33.30 | tarzeau | peppet: is that bash specific? |
| 13:33.35 | stew | sshsession: "ps aux | grep apache" |
| 13:33.38 | tarzeau | peppet: no thanks, i rather use shift |
| 13:33.55 | formorer | ${10} is posix |
| 13:34.16 | ArchitectSinan | dimir:thanks :D |
| 13:34.16 | dimir | ye. |
| 13:34.25 | dimir | ArchitectSinan: np ;-) |
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| 13:35.57 | YeTr2 | A little confused about iptables, all the rules I save using 'iptables-save' will come back up on next reboot by default, yes? I'm using a fresh install of sarge |
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| 13:37.08 | `Slay` | stew, ı m look the websites and mail list but ı m not find to doc. |
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| 13:37.29 | sshsession | dimir : apache is runing ...but i can view it !!! Why ? |
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| 13:38.38 | dimir | sshsession: if it's on default port 80, the command 'sudo netstat -aptn | grep :80' will view it! |
| 13:38.47 | dimir | I bet 10000000 $ on it! |
| 13:38.51 | dimir | :-D |
| 13:39.00 | onetinsoldier | YeTr2: i'm preyy sure that's correct. been a long time(years) sine i have done the firewall manually. using a graphical jobbie right now |
| 13:39.03 | dimir | (unless netstat is hax0red!) |
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| 13:39.29 | onetinsoldier | crap.. typo's.. sorry |
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| 13:39.35 | YeTr2 | onetinsoldier: bleh... don't have the pretty option of a gui here |
| 13:39.49 | onetinsoldier | YeTr2: i understand |
| 13:40.16 | onetinsoldier | anyway, i'm pretty sure what you asked is correct |
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| 13:41.17 | Noboru | I installed php4-imagick, to use it in a forum,it asks me to speicfy the path of it,but where ? |
| 13:41.31 | dimir | onetinsoldier: iptables-save only prints current tables to stdout, which you can redirect to some file, for subsequent reading from using iptables-restore. |
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| 13:41.38 | dimir | oops |
| 13:41.51 | onetinsoldier | dimir: oh! |
| 13:41.51 | dimir | That was for YeTr2. :-P |
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| 13:42.16 | onetinsoldier | well, it was certainly good for me to see too :-)\ |
| 13:42.27 | onetinsoldier | YeTr2: you see that? |
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| 13:42.41 | dimir | YeTr2: what you need is to read these saved rules using iptables-restore on boot. |
| 13:42.42 | `Slay` | how to install asus a3e sound pls help |
| 13:42.48 | YeTr2 | yeah, got that |
| 13:43.08 | onetinsoldier | ok.. good |
| 13:43.31 | dimir | YeTr2: man iptables-resotre and man iptables-save are your friends. ;-) |
| 13:43.40 | btaranto | hy. im trying to install ia64 on dell 1850. why cd of ia64 dont boot? |
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| 13:44.22 | formorer | btaranto: dell has IA64 CPUs? |
| 13:44.30 | formorer | this is new to me |
| 13:44.32 | YeTr2 | dimir: bleh, doesn't help when most all of my queries about debian and iptables refer to using /etc/init.d/iptables, which has apparently been phased out |
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| 13:45.23 | nicoco | hi i'm trying to execute a binary file that is on /mnt/sdb1/ and even if i chmod +x terminal says that i don't have the permission. |
| 13:45.38 | abrotman | check your mount options |
| 13:46.14 | nicoco | what option do i have to add ? |
| 13:46.25 | ArchitectSinan | i've got "exim4" package installed |
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| 13:46.33 | ArchitectSinan | and courier-pop installed |
| 13:46.36 | ArchitectSinan | Do I need to install courier-mta package ? |
| 13:46.39 | peppet | nicoco: exec |
| 13:46.42 | ArchitectSinan | is exim4 is enough ? |
| 13:46.43 | formorer | ArchitectSinan: no |
| 13:46.51 | ArchitectSinan | formorer:thx :) |
| 13:46.56 | formorer | nop |
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| 13:48.07 | nicoco | thanks a lot it works ! |
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| 13:48.36 | sshsession | how can see all users created ....whithout the system users ?? |
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| 13:49.29 | yage | does anybody know a livecd with bonding driver and iperf? |
| 13:49.55 | sussudio | iPerv? |
| 13:49.56 | yage | i need to test a 2gbit trunk and i don't want to install a full system |
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| 13:50.02 | rohan | yage: how many other distro channels you asked in ? i know of #suse :D |
| 13:50.07 | wnm | male bonding? |
| 13:50.40 | YeTr2 | wnm: in a platonic way or other? |
| 13:50.42 | yage | rohan, i've debian on my laptop and suse on the servers |
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| 13:51.21 | rohan | yage: ok ;) |
| 13:51.22 | formorer | btaranto: ? |
| 13:51.23 | ArchitectSinan | guys i really stucked with exim4 and courier-pop. Is there any friend who can help me to start all over ? |
| 13:51.42 | ArchitectSinan | i need step by step instructions |
| 13:51.56 | abrotman | yage: ask ##linux |
| 13:52.46 | peppet | sshsession: see users with id>=1000 in /etc/passwd (but nobody) |
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| 13:54.03 | queisso | onde estou? |
| 13:54.33 | jameis | Notebook computers encourage lousy posture. |
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| 13:54.38 | YeTr2 | yage: ever consider remastering for your own livedisk? |
| 13:54.45 | jameis | How do you folks address this? |
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| 13:55.07 | sussudio | bunnies. |
| 13:55.22 | queisso | no. |
| 13:55.27 | btaranto | formorer_ ? |
| 13:55.28 | sussudio | yes. |
| 13:55.39 | jameis | I am a high-profile businessman who must look like a well-oiled machine. Yet I have found my neck appearing more and more crouched forward and my shoulders as well. |
| 13:55.41 | formorer | btaranto: I asked you something regarding you bootproblem |
| 13:55.51 | yage | YeTr2, i just need to test a trunk so i suppose there is some live distro with bonding and iperf, is a common problem |
| 13:56.02 | btaranto | formorer_ sorry. |
| 13:56.32 | wam | jameis: external keyboard, good (LED-)mouse and a good position of the notebook. |
| 13:56.37 | sshsession | how can see all users created ....whithout the system users ?? |
| 13:56.40 | btaranto | formorer_ yes |
| 13:56.42 | formorer | yage: grml has iperf |
| 13:56.43 | YeTr2 | jameis: docking stations, zero gravity, place the computer on an elevated surface, larger screen with lower resolution |
| 13:56.47 | sshsession | aaa |
| 13:56.47 | sshsession | ok |
| 13:56.48 | formorer | btaranto: are you _REALLY_ sure? |
| 13:56.58 | queisso | ahaha!! |
| 13:57.03 | btaranto | foka_ yes |
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| 13:57.09 | formorer | btaranto: afaik as I know they have xeons |
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| 13:57.25 | wam | YeTr2: No - high resolution with big fonts is better ;) |
| 13:57.28 | jameis | YeTr2, What do you mean by zero gravity? |
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| 13:57.38 | foka | btaranto, ?? |
| 13:57.47 | YeTr2 | jameis: just that, only use the laptop in zero-gravity enviroments |
| 13:57.52 | jameis | YeTr2, I see. So using the laptop as a desktop machine, essentially, but one that I can easily pick up and take with me. |
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| 13:58.07 | jameis | YeTr2, We must be practical here. |
| 13:58.13 | queisso | bye! |
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| 13:58.20 | YeTr2 | jameis: but practical isn't fun |
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| 14:00.30 | YeTr2 | jameis: how about stereo glasses? |
| 14:00.53 | YeTr2 | they've come down in price, only costs half your soul now instead of the full thing |
| 14:01.12 | Noboru | I installed php4-imagick,seems it needs configue ? |
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| 14:02.36 | btaranto | why cd of ia64 dont boot? i need to make a boot floppy? |
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| 14:02.50 | Maulkin | In case anyone wants stuff from sophr, it seems down again (ftp-master, bts, wiki) |
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| 14:03.17 | btaranto | i download this -> http://debian.osuosl.org/debian-cdimage/3.1_r2/ia64/iso-cd/debian-31r2-ia64-binary-1.iso |
| 14:03.44 | formorer | btaranto: what kind of CPU does your box have |
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| 14:04.31 | dbw | hello... after my last dist-upgrade, all the menus and stuff in firefox are in an old english font |
| 14:04.39 | dbw | it's really bizzarre... happened to anyone else? |
| 14:04.44 | btaranto | formorer_ formorer dell 64bits xeon |
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| 14:05.06 | formorer | btaranto: this is _NOT_ an ia64 |
| 14:05.22 | formorer | btaranto: ia64 is a completly different architecture |
| 14:05.30 | azeem | btaranto: use amd64 |
| 14:05.38 | abrotman | sussudio: meep! |
| 14:05.39 | btaranto | formorer_ ia64 != intel? |
| 14:05.46 | formorer | azeem: that would have been my next sentence |
| 14:05.47 | abrotman | ia64 is itanium |
| 14:05.53 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 14:05.53 | dpkg | methinks ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon, it is NOT ia64 |
| 14:05.56 | azeem | formorer: sorry :) |
| 14:05.57 | formorer | btaranto: it is intel, but a different architecture |
| 14:06.11 | btaranto | formorer_ hum... and what iso do i have to get? |
| 14:06.16 | azeem | 15:58 < azeem> btaranto: use amd64 |
| 14:06.25 | abrotman | !tell btaranto about amd64 |
| 14:06.34 | formorer | btaranto: the one for amd64, but debian has no official support for amd64 and sarge |
| 14:06.34 | abrotman | Maulkin: you broke it again ? |
| 14:06.40 | formorer | btaranto: try amd64.debian.net |
| 14:06.49 | tarzeau | is it possible $9 shift, $9 doesn't get shifted if bash is called as sh? |
| 14:06.52 | Maulkin | abrotman: yes. |
| 14:06.56 | btaranto | cool |
| 14:06.59 | Maulkin | abrotman: Just to spite you |
| 14:07.06 | abrotman | Maulkin: i have no bugs .. doesn't affect me! |
| 14:07.08 | onetinsoldier | it's probably a little confusing to some people,using am64 on an itel proc.. hehe |
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| 14:07.11 | btaranto | i am reading... wait. |
| 14:07.16 | onetinsoldier | *intel |
| 14:07.30 | btaranto | onetinsoldier_ i didnt know. |
| 14:07.34 | abrotman | better than using x86_64 IMO |
| 14:07.36 | Maulkin | abrotman: bah |
| 14:07.37 | jameis | Who makes the best commercial computers these days? |
| 14:07.40 | azeem | onetinsoldier: more confusing than using i386 on an amd box? |
| 14:07.41 | jameis | Sony? |
| 14:07.42 | formorer | we should provide images that are called emt_64 ;) |
| 14:07.52 | onetinsoldier | i know you didn't. and i can understand how it might be a little confusing |
| 14:08.00 | formorer | to complete the confusing |
| 14:08.00 | Maulkin | jameis: best is rather subjective |
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| 14:08.26 | btaranto | its really crazy! |
| 14:08.27 | btaranto | hehe |
| 14:08.28 | Lyst9 | ... |
| 14:08.32 | btaranto | @#%$#$#$ |
| 14:08.33 | btaranto | :) |
| 14:08.48 | jameis | Maulkin, Which manufacturers do you like? |
| 14:08.58 | abrotman | i like my computers |
| 14:09.03 | Maulkin | jameis: Sentral, and IBM |
| 14:09.08 | abrotman | jameis: ask #hardware |
| 14:09.14 | Maulkin | jameis: Or, erm, more precicely, me |
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| 14:10.18 | jameis | I like Sony especially because of The Sony Store. |
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| 14:10.27 | abrotman | jameis: ask #hardware |
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| 14:10.31 | ArchitectSinan | Where are the package informations stored in my debian sarge box ? |
| 14:10.42 | jameis | The place I buy from is important. |
| 14:10.49 | Maulkin | jameis: Pop along to #hardware, you're better off asking ther |
| 14:10.52 | ArchitectSinan | i think it should be /usr/lib/something like dpkg |
| 14:11.12 | jameis | OK. |
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| 14:12.08 | Maulkin | ArchitectSinan: /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 14:12.55 | ktwilight | has anyone got rt2500 wpa-psk working on debian etc? |
| 14:12.56 | onetinsoldier | ArchitectSinan: in /var/lib/dpkg/status ...i wouldn't really mess with that file unless you know what you are doing |
| 14:12.57 | Maulkin | ArchitectSinan: If you're using apt anyway |
| 14:12.59 | ktwilight | etch* |
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| 14:13.31 | btaranto | formorer_ i have to get this one? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-amd64-binary-1.iso |
| 14:14.13 | abrotman | that's one that you can get |
| 14:14.22 | btaranto | abrotman_ tks. |
| 14:14.39 | formorer | btaranto: yes |
| 14:14.40 | Maulkin | btaranto: make sure you update the system after installation though |
| 14:15.10 | valdyn | btaranto: update that system from the net then, since r2 is the recent one and there may be additional security fixes |
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| 14:15.28 | btaranto | hum.. ok |
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| 14:17.05 | abrotman | if he has netowrk .. the netinst would be more ideal |
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| 14:17.10 | btaranto | valdyn_ i didnt see iso r2 for amd_64. |
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| 14:17.26 | valdyn | btaranto: i dont know if that exists, dont worry about it anyway |
| 14:17.50 | valdyn | btaranto: you dont need it, the difference between r0 and r2 isnt that much to download |
| 14:17.57 | gustavoroberto | Hi All |
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| 14:18.04 | StereoSkit | lo none |
| 14:18.31 | gustavoroberto | How to make /dev/video in my debian , sorry my english ! |
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| 14:18.46 | btaranto | valdyn_ ok. but this iso cd is bootable? |
| 14:18.49 | abrotman | !br |
| 14:18.49 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:18.53 | Fredyy | does anybody know a problem about the "SiS 748" Chipset? I cna't install my debian. I always get "lost interrupt" errors. But Gentoo was working fine with the same hardware. |
| 14:18.57 | abrotman | btaranto: yes |
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| 14:19.14 | btaranto | abrotman_ are you from brazil? |
| 14:19.16 | ktwilight | !rt2500 |
| 14:19.23 | abrotman | btaranto: no .. and i don't have a tail either |
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| 14:19.45 | ktwilight | !wpa |
| 14:19.53 | abrotman | ktwilight: are you looking for something ? |
| 14:19.57 | ktwilight | yup yup |
| 14:20.01 | abrotman | !tell ktwilight about msg the bot |
| 14:20.02 | ktwilight | trying to get wpa running on etch |
| 14:20.10 | btaranto | abrotman_ :) |
| 14:20.12 | ktwilight | it randomly drops |
| 14:20.24 | abrotman | isn't rt2500 using ndiswrapper ? |
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| 14:20.52 | MoDaX | ktwilight: rt2500 does not support wpasupplicant |
| 14:20.54 | ktwilight | i can't use ndiswraper |
| 14:21.01 | ktwilight | am not using wpasupplicant |
| 14:21.06 | ktwilight | just iwpriv |
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| 14:21.36 | ktwilight | there |
| 14:21.51 | ktwilight | there's a debian rt2500 module, it installs fine etc. |
| 14:21.51 | MoDaX | ktwilight: that's why I've switched to rt2x00 |
| 14:21.54 | ktwilight | but...it just drop. |
| 14:21.57 | ktwilight | hmm... |
| 14:22.20 | gustavoroberto | abrotman, :( |
| 14:22.26 | MoDaX | ktwilight: though it's beta software. It might not work for you or even crash the kernel |
| 14:22.36 | valdyn | MoDaX: it really isnt beta |
| 14:22.39 | gustavoroberto | never nobody help-me :( |
| 14:22.41 | ktwilight | which kernel are you using? |
| 14:22.48 | valdyn | MoDaX: their site is irritating, its alpha at best |
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| 14:22.56 | Ronin | gustavoroberto: well learn to be patient |
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| 14:23.10 | gustavoroberto | Ronin, heheh |
| 14:23.15 | MoDaX | valdyn: dunno. rt2500pci is quite usable. |
| 14:23.27 | ktwilight | btw, i followed http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto <- that, but not completely, 'cuz it doesn't really work. |
| 14:23.28 | MoDaX | and supports wpasupplicant etc |
| 14:23.36 | valdyn | MoDaX: sure, for some cards, not argueing that |
| 14:23.47 | abrotman | gustavoroberto: you can ask here .. i just wasn't sure if you knew about that channel .. |
| 14:23.56 | gustavoroberto | ok |
| 14:24.02 | abrotman | gustavoroberto: if you can communicate in english effectively .. doesn't bother me if you stay here |
| 14:24.09 | abrotman | just please .. no "jajajaja" |
| 14:24.18 | gustavoroberto | ok |
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| 14:24.26 | ktwilight | do i have to set auth 3 and enc 2 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:24.37 | overflow | hello |
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| 14:24.44 | abrotman | or not |
| 14:24.47 | ktwilight | am just wondering if rt2500 doesn't work for wpa-psk tkip encryption... |
| 14:24.47 | ktwilight | :/ |
| 14:24.59 | MoDaX | ktwilight: it works |
| 14:25.02 | ukasz | hello |
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| 14:25.15 | ktwilight | any sample /etc/network/interfaces that i can look at? |
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| 14:25.39 | Maulkin | ktwilight: man interfaces |
| 14:25.49 | Maulkin | IIRC, there's some stuff in there |
| 14:25.58 | overflow | hey Maulkin :) |
| 14:26.05 | ktwilight | :/ |
| 14:26.05 | ukasz | does anyone know how should look line in htb script that mathces port range?? |
| 14:26.14 | MoDaX | ktwilight: try changing order or iwpriv commands |
| 14:26.14 | ktwilight | i need more specific iwpriv commands... |
| 14:26.20 | ktwilight | hmm... |
| 14:26.21 | MoDaX | s/or/of |
| 14:26.29 | abrotman | ukasz: eh .. what? |
| 14:26.33 | ktwilight | will try now |
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| 14:26.41 | valdyn | ktwilight: its in their forum too |
| 14:26.47 | ukasz | i want to make a class in htb with port range |
| 14:26.51 | ktwilight | i've been through forums and websites...so... :/ |
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| 14:27.00 | peppet | ktwilight: /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/examples/interfaces |
| 14:27.02 | MoDaX | ktwilight: execute iwconfig wlan0 essid the last |
| 14:27.22 | ktwilight | ah...maybe that's the problem MoDaX |
| 14:27.30 | ukasz | do you know what i mean |
| 14:27.31 | abrotman | simonrvn: ping! |
| 14:27.32 | ukasz | ?? |
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| 14:27.42 | abrotman | ukasz: HTB ? |
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| 14:27.54 | abrotman | Have the beer? |
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| 14:28.56 | hollo_ | what.. beers?!?.. uhmm... |
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| 14:29.33 | wsjunior | how to install ati driver on debian unstable? |
| 14:29.47 | MoDaX | ktwilight: that's the reason I don't use rt2500: 1) it does not some WPA modes I need 2) configuring it for WPA is a pain 3) no roaming support |
| 14:29.48 | abrotman | !tell wsjunior about ati |
| 14:29.49 | hollo_ | wsjunior, there is a kernel module for that |
| 14:29.51 | ukasz | does anyone know what is htb?? |
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| 14:29.58 | abrotman | NO .. NOONE KNOWS |
| 14:30.01 | abrotman | wtf is HTB |
| 14:30.18 | ktwilight | i see what you mean. :/ |
| 14:30.19 | abrotman | http://acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=htb&Find=find&string=exact |
| 14:30.22 | wsjunior | abrotman: something like CBQ |
| 14:30.25 | hollo_ | abrotman, i think thats what the question was about |
| 14:30.36 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:30.40 | abrotman | yay!!!!!!! |
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| 14:31.06 | MoDaX | ukasz: QoS |
| 14:31.08 | ukasz | htb is an algoritm that you can split your internet into several difrent one |
| 14:31.15 | ukasz | yes qos |
| 14:31.18 | ukasz | :) |
| 14:31.21 | abrotman | like .. channel bonding ? |
| 14:31.23 | abrotman | !htb |
| 14:31.24 | dpkg | [htb] the Hierarchical Token Bucket approach to traffic shaping and bandwidth limiting. Details and patches to kernel and iproute at http://luxik.cdi.cz/~devik/qos/htb/ |
| 14:31.28 | abrotman | yay!!!!! |
| 14:31.45 | wsjunior | just like CBQ :-p |
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| 14:32.02 | MoDaX | HTB is much easier to configure |
| 14:32.02 | ukasz | something like that |
| 14:32.03 | abrotman | wsjunior: see .. i'm not the oracle :) |
| 14:32.09 | ukasz | yes it is |
| 14:32.18 | wsjunior | abrotman: :D |
| 14:32.22 | ukasz | and i have to make a class with port range |
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| 14:32.31 | ukasz | do you know how to do it?? |
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| 14:32.48 | abrotman | in debian? |
| 14:33.06 | superlinux | I am trying to compile the same kernel on debian sarge... I run make menuconfig , I get /usr/include/bits/socket.h:305:24: asm/socket.h: No such file or directory what should I do.. it was running the first time I tried to compile.. when I redone make-kpkg clean it stopped from working |
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| 14:33.16 | MoDaX | ukasz: if you don't find a solution with tc, you can use iptables -J MARK and tc fwmark filter |
| 14:33.49 | ukasz | ah yes god i am stupid |
| 14:33.56 | wsjunior | abrotman: that trick seems to work only with etch or stable.. it isnt working at unstable.. it detects that im using xorg 7 , remove temp dir and go away.. |
| 14:34.07 | abrotman | wsjunior: oh .. wait |
| 14:34.35 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-f22aaddab1ac3bf1b48032420761a7d57c374a71 |
| 14:34.36 | ukasz | modax do you know how should it look in htb script?? |
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| 14:35.31 | wsjunior | abrotman: that teachs how to install xorg 7 |
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| 14:35.59 | wsjunior | abrotman: im already using xorg 7. the installer that seems do not work with xorg 7 |
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| 14:36.42 | stew | ukasz: get the wondershaper packgae and use that as an example |
| 14:37.11 | onetinsoldier | superlinux: try running make mrproper and trying again |
| 14:37.20 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:37.46 | onetinsoldier | superlinux: nvm, i don't think that's your problem. you should still probably run make mrproper though |
| 14:37.49 | superlinux | onetinsoldier, same problem |
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| 14:37.55 | onetinsoldier | ya... i figured |
| 14:37.58 | ukasz | ok thx |
| 14:38.05 | ukasz | i will try |
| 14:38.11 | MoDaX | iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 4000:5000 -j MARK --set-mark 100 |
| 14:38.11 | MoDaX | tc filter add dev $UPDEV protocol ip parent 1:0 prio 1 handle 100 fw classid 1:2 |
| 14:38.18 | superlinux | I asked in #kernel he said I have to download libc6-dev |
| 14:38.20 | ukasz | i have problem with lstat |
| 14:38.31 | lord_rob | superlinux: rm -r your kernel tree, unpack it again |
| 14:38.33 | onetinsoldier | superlinux: well do you have that and linux-kernel-headers installed? |
| 14:38.41 | ukasz | :):):):):) |
| 14:38.43 | MoDaX | s/$UPDEV/ethSomething/ |
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| 14:39.26 | ic3man05 | for anybody that cares, dust was the victim for my overclocking errors |
| 14:39.27 | abrotman | wsjunior: read the link |
| 14:39.30 | superlinux | I rm -f , then re-untared |
| 14:39.48 | ukasz | does anyone know how to count internet traffic made by users in lan |
| 14:39.49 | ukasz | ?? |
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| 14:40.23 | Maulkin | ukasz: try installing bandwidthd |
| 14:40.28 | MoDaX | ukasz: there are tools for this, e.g. ipac-ng |
| 14:40.31 | wsjunior | abrotman: im trying this one http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html |
| 14:40.40 | gromf | bonjour tout le monde ! |
| 14:40.40 | superlinux | later.. I think the guy is correct cos I don't have the sockets.h |
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| 14:41.05 | ukasz | is it more easy? |
| 14:41.14 | wsjunior | abrotman: it says Version 8.24.8-1 uploaded to unstable. so, why i cant apt-get it? |
| 14:41.20 | ukasz | chonestly speaking lstat is shit |
| 14:41.28 | MoDaX | ukasz: iptables shows byte/packet counts too |
| 14:41.38 | ukasz | examples in oficial website doesn,t work |
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| 14:42.01 | ukasz | yes but i want statistics on www |
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| 14:42.20 | bsampa | msg nickserv register 102030 |
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| 14:42.25 | superlinux | onetinsoldier, the linux-kernel-headers are installed |
| 14:42.35 | si0ux | Hi! Is somebody using bacula in backup? Any problem ? |
| 14:42.42 | superlinux | yes as you said |
| 14:42.43 | si0ux | backup in LTO tapes? |
| 14:42.46 | si0ux | Sorry my english... |
| 14:42.56 | onetinsoldier | superlinux: dpkg -S /usr/include/bits/socket.h ......libc6-dev: /usr/include/bits/socket.h |
| 14:43.21 | onetinsoldier | superlinux: on my sys that shows that libc6-dev installs that file |
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| 14:43.40 | dobby | when i do a dd of a hardisk for exmpl dd if=/dev/hda | gzip > /mnt/hdb1/system_drive_backup.img.gz does it copy also the mbr? Or do i have to add the command dd if=/dev/hda of=/root/hda.boot.mbr bs=512 count=1 ? |
| 14:43.43 | MoDaX | wsjunior: sudo aptitude install fglrx-kernel-src && module-assistant auto-install fglrx && sudo aptitude install fglrx-driver |
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| 14:44.39 | MoDaX | he is gone oh, well |
| 14:45.08 | [TechGuy] | Anyone have any ideas about this? I updated to the ProFTPd 1.3 package yesterday, and PAM authentication no longer works. As far as I can tell with the debug info, mod_auth_pam is present, but ProFTPd doesn't seem to be passing authentication info to it. |
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| 14:45.30 | vaq^ | - /etc/xen/scripts/network-bridge: line 160: brctl: command not found - In which package is brctl in? |
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| 14:46.12 | SHUTTLEWRTH | MARK SHUTTLEWORTH AND CANONICAL ANNOUNCE LINUX FOR NIGGERS |
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| 14:46.13 | SHUTTLEWRTH | FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE |
| 14:46.13 | SHUTTLEWRTH | ISLE OF MAN - June 1, 2006 - At a press conference today, Canonical CEO and Free Software spokesnigger Mark Shuttleworth announced the immediate availability of version 6.06 of the Ubuntu Linux distribution. The latest version, known by its code name, "The Diaper Drake," includes special features designed to make Linux easier and more comfortable for niggers the world over. |
| 14:46.14 | SHUTTLEWRTH | "Niggers have always had trouble understanding new technology," Shuttleworth began. "Computers are no exception. Some people have said this is because niggers are dumb, but I believe the real problem is that technology has traditionally been designed for white people. Ubuntu changes all that. It was developed from the ground up with niggers in mind. It will usher in a whole new era of Afro-ergonomic computing." |
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| 14:46.26 | onetinsoldier | haha |
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| 14:47.00 | SHUTTLEWRTH | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.03 | SHUTTLEWRTH | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.07 | onetinsoldier | he shoulda got K-Lined tho |
| 14:47.08 | SHUTTLEWRTH | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.10 | SHUTTLEWRTH | Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE. |
| 14:47.10 | btaranto | formorer_ where can i get some nice issues to get my login prompt look better? |
| 14:47.14 | SHUTTLEWRTH | If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gn |
| 14:47.24 | onetinsoldier | ~lart SHUTTLEWRTH |
| 14:47.25 | SHUTTLEWRTH | onetinsoldier eats nigger dick |
| 14:47.34 | SHUTTLEWRTH | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.39 | SHUTTLEWRTH | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.41 | SHUTTLEWRTH | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.49 | SHUTTLEWRTH | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.55 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 14:47.59 | pyroplasm | dobby: it copies the whole disk. Howerver, I think you'll need to add -c to gzip. |
| 14:47.59 | ArchitectSinan | Now my "exim4" and my "courier-pop" is working. But exim4 doesn't deliver mails to POP3 "Maildir"s. I've got "dc_localdelivery=maildir_home" line in my "/etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf" file and i run "update-exim4.conf" too. Still exim4 doesn't deliver mails to courier-pop ? |
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| 14:48.13 | SHUTTLEWRTH | FUX ME TUX |
| 14:48.21 | SHUTTLEWRTH | GO DOWNLOAD UBUNTU |
| 14:48.23 | SHUTTLEWRTH | THE NIGGER DISTRO |
| 14:48.26 | SHUTTLEWRTH | DEBIAN IS OBSOLETE |
| 14:48.30 | wizzomafizzo | Damnit I wish Mark Shuttleworth would just go back to developing Ubuntu |
| 14:48.31 | onetinsoldier | !ops SHUTTLEWRTH is being very disruptive and racist |
| 14:48.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: onetinsoldier complains about: SHUTTLEWRTH is being very disruptive and racist |
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| 14:48.39 | SHUTTLEWRTH | NO YUO |
| 14:48.40 | wizzomafizzo | I mean funding |
| 14:48.46 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 14:48.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b %SHUTTLEWRTH!*@*] by LoRez |
| 14:48.46 | *** kick/#debian [SHUTTLEWRTH!n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
| 14:48.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 14:48.56 | undesktop | hey that was fast |
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| 14:49.17 | [TechGuy] | two cents says he just changes nicks |
| 14:49.34 | ArchitectSinan | please help mmm :( |
| 14:49.39 | *** mode/#debian [-b %SHUTTLEWRTH!*@*] by LoRez |
| 14:49.44 | ArchitectSinan | mmm=me |
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| 14:49.47 | LoRez | [TechGuy]: 5$ says he's klined |
| 14:49.50 | ic3man05 | that is why windows was invited, to gather all the stupid people in one area |
| 14:49.59 | [TechGuy] | LoRez: That too... :o |
| 14:50.05 | undesktop | I currently can't play sound with alsa, but with oss... (the alsa drivers and oss emulation are loaded), is that related to that "libasound2: Unknown PCM default" entry on the wiki page? |
| 14:50.10 | Jel | hmmm why is /etc/network/interfaces read only ? |
| 14:50.21 | Jel | i need to manually setup my eth1... |
| 14:50.24 | azeem | Jel: edit it as root |
| 14:50.29 | Jel | and wtf is this loopback thing ? |
| 14:50.54 | JAV | undesktop: last upgrade solves it |
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| 14:51.10 | dobby | pyroplasm: is there a max filesize if I do d if=/dev/hda | gzip > |
| 14:51.16 | dobby | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.20 | ic3man05 | !tell Jel about loopback |
| 14:51.22 | onetinsoldier | !loopback |
| 14:51.23 | dpkg | methinks loopback is how you talk to yourself. "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces, or "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0" from the shell. A misconfigured loopback could cause "neighbour table overflow" messages. a driver to handle files as if they were devices. |
| 14:51.25 | undesktop | JAV: upgrading libasound2? ok |
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| 14:51.39 | JAV | yes |
| 14:51.40 | onetinsoldier | oops... sorry |
| 14:51.44 | onetinsoldier | you win |
| 14:51.57 | dobby | error file to big |
| 14:52.05 | onetinsoldier | !ic3man05 wins |
| 14:52.07 | ArchitectSinan | one more last time |
| 14:52.10 | ArchitectSinan | Now my "exim4" and my "courier-pop" is working. But exim4 doesn't deliver mails to POP3 "Maildir"s. I've got "dc_localdelivery=maildir_home" line in my "/etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf" file and i run "update-exim4.conf" too. Still exim4 doesn't deliver mails to courier-pop ? |
| 14:52.15 | onetinsoldier | ! wins ic3man05 |
| 14:52.15 | dobby | what about file size limitation in ext3? |
| 14:52.19 | onetinsoldier | crap |
| 14:52.19 | dobby | 4GB ? |
| 14:52.28 | ic3man05 | ! what do I win? |
| 14:52.30 | onetinsoldier | !win ic3man05 |
| 14:52.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, ic3man05! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 14:52.37 | onetinsoldier | hehe :-) |
| 14:52.41 | ic3man05 | lol |
| 14:52.43 | onetinsoldier | i got it finally |
| 14:52.47 | pyroplasm | dobby: not that I know but consider using bs=512 with dd |
| 14:52.53 | Jel | so how do i take eth1 down |
| 14:52.53 | Maulkin | Looks like it may get busy here with gnaa soon... |
| 14:52.57 | Jel | and then restart it ? |
| 14:52.57 | undesktop | dobby: definitely bigger than 4 gigs |
| 14:52.58 | MoDaX | dobby: TB+ |
| 14:53.14 | Jel | it doesnt say on the network config wiki |
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| 14:54.33 | [TechGuy] | Anyone have any idea why ProFTPd 1.3 seems to ignore PAM authentication? |
| 14:54.36 | MoDaX | dobby: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0403.3/1673.html |
| 14:54.47 | pipeline | [TechGuy]: Perhaps because it's poorly written? :P |
| 14:55.26 | morten | i've been scratching my head trying to figure out how to change the polling cycle as set by the default /etc/init.d/fetchmail script. can anyone help me out? |
| 14:55.33 | [TechGuy] | pipeline: Smartass |
| 14:55.41 | dobby | thanks |
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| 14:56.05 | onetinsoldier | morten: is there a fetchmailrc file in /etc ? |
| 14:56.40 | pipeline | [TechGuy]: Seriously, though, I would expect an FTP daemon *not* to use PAM |
| 14:56.54 | morten | onetinsoldier: yes. i figured that out by reading the init.d script, and copied .fetchmailrc from ~ |
| 14:56.55 | Jel | can someone explain why my eth1 connection no longer works? |
| 14:56.59 | morten | and renamed it, obviously |
| 14:56.59 | Jel | it worked FINE during install |
| 14:57.09 | Fredyy | does anybody know a problem about the "SiS 748" Chipset? I cna't install my debian. I always get "lost interrupt" errors. But Gentoo was working fine with the same hardware. |
| 14:57.09 | pipeline | [TechGuy]: Because FTP is desperately insecure; you would WANT it to have its own password database. Some of the really fancy daemons that support TLS and other bells and whistles surely do support PAM, and it appears proftpd is among their number. |
| 14:57.12 | Jel | and i haven't touched it since |
| 14:57.35 | onetinsoldier | morten: have you tried setting the poll interval in /etc/fetchmailrc? |
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| 14:57.53 | MoDaX | jelly: sarge, etch, sid? |
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| 14:58.02 | MoDaX | oh |
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| 14:58.10 | MoDaX | Jel: sarge, etch, sid? |
| 14:58.12 | morten | onetinsoldier: yes. i set it to 20 minutes to check, and then sent a test email. checked mutt, and the email was there after a minute or two :( |
| 14:58.24 | Jel | etch |
| 14:58.42 | Jel | i just did a net install... |
| 14:58.51 | Jel | and it worked fine |
| 14:58.52 | Jel | o_O |
| 14:58.59 | onetinsoldier | morten: hmmm. just checking but since setting it in there have you restarted fetchmail? |
| 14:59.00 | RichiH | why shouldn't it? |
| 14:59.13 | MoDaX | Jel: what's the error? |
| 14:59.14 | morten | onetinsoldier: yes. |
| 14:59.23 | morten | i suppose i could try again, tho. wouldn't hurt. |
| 14:59.34 | [TechGuy] | pipeline: I don't need a lecture on protocol (in)security, thank you. I know FTP is practically just as insecure as Telnet and SMTP. I'd rather know if anyone else has noticed this problem with the new deb of 1.3 ... |
| 14:59.39 | onetinsoldier | morten: who is the owner of the fetchmailrc file? |
| 14:59.40 | Jel | there is not "error" |
| 14:59.43 | Jel | its just not working |
| 14:59.49 | Jel | not even after manually configuring |
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| 14:59.58 | Jel | DHCP worked fine during install |
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| 15:00.04 | Jel | but doesnt want to now >:/ |
| 15:00.18 | azeem | hrm, that's a recurring issue :-/ |
| 15:00.28 | morten | onetinsoldier: i chmod 600'd it. root owns it. |
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| 15:00.38 | MoDaX | Jel: paste ifconfig -a output to paster |
| 15:00.45 | Jel | when i goto gnome's network tools - devices, and click on eth1, it wont show hardware address or anything... |
| 15:00.46 | Jel | :S |
| 15:01.05 | zzz | Hi! How can i get what IP- addresses was given out by my dhcp- server? I mean which are actual? |
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| 15:01.07 | Jel | ifconfig ? |
| 15:01.09 | onetinsoldier | morten: ok. i'm sure there's a solution to this. i will be thinking and lett you know if i cme up with one |
| 15:01.10 | Jel | didnt do anything |
| 15:01.15 | Jel | i just tried ifconfig -a |
| 15:01.17 | pyroplasm | morten: fetchmailconf helps with configuration issue |
| 15:01.18 | morten | onetinsoldier: thanks |
| 15:01.23 | silensius | how can i mount a mp3player like creative on a debian sarge |
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| 15:01.35 | hollo_ | Jel, do it as root or /sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:01.50 | silensius | lsub give me this Bus 004 Device 007: ID 041e:411e Creative Technology, Ltd Nomad Jukebox Zen Micro MP3 player |
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| 15:02.01 | silensius | and after what must i do |
| 15:02.05 | morten | i'll give it a glance, pyroplasm |
| 15:02.10 | Noboru | IT IS A COLON : FOLLOWED IMMEDIATELY BY A LEFT PARENTHESES ,this one can be :) ? |
| 15:02.17 | MoDaX | Jel: I need what ifconfig -a gave you |
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| 15:02.25 | Noboru | cuz that one is displayed as smiley on the webpage though |
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| 15:02.35 | MoDaX | Jel: paste it to pastebin |
| 15:02.52 | MoDaX | or other paster |
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| 15:04.30 | ukasz | is there any software that support creative zen touch 40 gb? |
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| 15:05.42 | onetinsoldier | morten: just checking again. is /etc/default/fetchmail set to yes? |
| 15:05.59 | MoDaX | silensius: which kernel? |
| 15:06.07 | silensius | 2.6.12 |
| 15:06.16 | Jel | gimme a tic modax |
| 15:06.18 | Jel | thats an issue |
| 15:06.22 | morten | onetinsoldier: there's no fetchmail in /etc/default. should there be? |
| 15:06.23 | Jel | the network ISNT working |
| 15:06.28 | Jel | so i cant get to paste bin >_< |
| 15:06.30 | MoDaX | silensius: gnome or kde? |
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| 15:06.37 | silensius | kde |
| 15:06.44 | MoDaX | silensius: 3.3.2? |
| 15:06.46 | onetinsoldier | morten: well, there is on my system |
| 15:07.05 | silensius | yes |
| 15:07.16 | morten | onetinsoldier: what's in it? |
| 15:07.27 | onetinsoldier | dpkg -S /etc/default/fetchmail ....fetchmail: /etc/default/fetchmail |
| 15:07.27 | dpkg | There is no record of a /etc/default/fetchmail ....fetchmail: /etc/default/fetchmail package |
| 15:07.32 | onetinsoldier | oops |
| 15:07.39 | onetinsoldier | morten: dpkg -S /etc/default/fetchmail ....fetchmail: /etc/default/fetchmail |
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| 15:08.07 | MoDaX | silensius: ok, then hal is not integrated. try pmount /dev/sda |
| 15:08.12 | onetinsoldier | morten: what version of fetchmail do you have installed? |
| 15:08.24 | silensius | ok |
| 15:08.40 | silensius | how can i do it whit pmount |
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| 15:08.48 | morten | onetinsoldier: 6.2.5 |
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| 15:09.10 | silensius | lsusb give me this : Bus 004 Device 008: ID 041e:411e Creative Technology, Ltd Nomad Jukebox Zen Micro MP3 player |
| 15:09.31 | onetinsoldier | morten: that may be a difference between yours and mine.. i don't know for sure. mine is 6.3.4-1 |
| 15:09.34 | silensius | and dmesg : usb 4-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 |
| 15:09.55 | morten | onetinsoldier: this is a home server. i'd rather keep it running stable :( |
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| 15:10.19 | Jel | MoDaX |
| 15:10.19 | MoDaX | silensius: pmount /dev/sd{a,b,c,d} should be enough. it would create a mount point in /media |
| 15:10.29 | silensius | ok |
| 15:10.32 | silensius | thanks for alll |
| 15:10.33 | Jel | i just put my flash drive into my USB port on the debian install |
| 15:10.38 | Jel | how do i access it? |
| 15:10.38 | Jel | :S |
| 15:10.40 | onetinsoldier | morten: roger. i would still think that your problem has a solution. i'm just not certain what it is. i'll keep thinking though |
| 15:10.47 | morten | thanks |
| 15:10.47 | darkness- | If you use the cmd del user someone does that script in debian delete there homedir or archive it? |
| 15:10.48 | Jel | (so i can copy the txt file to it) |
| 15:11.02 | MoDaX | Jel: kde/gnome? |
| 15:11.11 | dragan2 | i am trying to install debian sarge on a toshiba satellite m70 laptop. During the installation it can not partition- i seems that it can not recognise the SATA disk. Is possible to fixe this and how?? thanx... |
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| 15:11.26 | MoDaX | Jel: or console? |
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| 15:12.25 | MoDaX | Jel: gnome should have placed an icon with the device on the desktop, in kde go to media:/ in konqueror |
| 15:12.51 | Jel | gnome |
| 15:13.02 | Jel | didnt place anything |
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| 15:13.43 | MoDaX | Jel: I'm not using gnome so I don't know for sure |
| 15:14.11 | Jel | motherboard is an abit nf7-s |
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| 15:14.16 | Jel | nforce 2 |
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| 15:14.53 | onetinsoldier | morten: ok.. you ready? |
| 15:15.00 | morten | onetinsoldier: sure |
| 15:15.10 | MoDaX | Jel: try pmount /dev/sda and then check /media/ |
| 15:15.33 | onetinsoldier | morten: open up your init.d script in vi or whatever editor you use |
| 15:15.51 | morten | aight |
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| 15:16.35 | onetinsoldier | morten: a little ways down you should see a line similar to the following... OPTIONS="$OPTIONS -d 300" |
| 15:17.02 | morten | ok. mine says 'OPTIONS="-f $CONFFILE"' |
| 15:17.18 | onetinsoldier | hmmm |
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| 15:17.40 | Jel | didnt do anything :( |
| 15:17.44 | morten | onetinsoldier: and CONFFILE says /etc/fetchmailrc |
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| 15:18.21 | dragan2 | i am trying to install debian sarge on a toshiba satellite m70 laptop. During the installation it can not partition- i seems that it can not recognise the SATA disk. Is possible to fixe this and how?? thanx... |
| 15:18.34 | Jel | kubuntu ? |
| 15:18.40 | MoDaX | Jel: is your HDD SATA? |
| 15:18.50 | Jel | i have 2 sata hd's |
| 15:18.52 | dobby | am I right that i can turn a ext2 to ext3 on a running system? I won't loose files with tune2fs -j /dev/hda right? |
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| 15:18.57 | morten | onetinsoldier: should i just add -d 300 after -f $CONFFILE? |
| 15:19.05 | MoDaX | Jel: then pmount /dev/sdc |
| 15:19.16 | Jel | they're already mounted |
| 15:19.58 | Jel | "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on/dev/sdc" |
| 15:20.08 | Jel | missing codepage or other error |
| 15:20.10 | onetinsoldier | morten: go to another term and make a backup of this file before you make any changes |
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| 15:20.35 | MoDaX | Jel: pmount /dev/sdc1 ? |
| 15:20.39 | LoRez | jel: why are you trying to mount the disk and not a partition |
| 15:20.45 | morten | onetinsoldier: ok. |
| 15:20.53 | Jel | im trying to mount my usb memory stick |
| 15:21.00 | Jel | my 2 sata drives are already mounted |
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| 15:21.17 | Jel | no luck with /sdc1 either |
| 15:21.34 | LoRez | modprobe usb-storage |
| 15:21.35 | Fredyy | does anybody know a problem about the "SiS 748" Chipset? I cna't install my debian. I always get "lost interrupt" errors. But Gentoo was working fine with the same hardware. |
| 15:21.45 | onetinsoldier | morten: you want to set the option somehwere in there. maybe as you said.. but the '300' needs to be set at however many seconds you are wanting the poll interval set at |
| 15:22.00 | morten | ok |
| 15:22.14 | morten | any way to make the daemon run in verbose mode, so i can see if it's working right? |
| 15:22.32 | MoDaX | LoRez: udev should have done that |
| 15:22.47 | Jel | didnt do a damned thing >_< |
| 15:23.17 | onetinsoldier | morten: if it's running in 'daemon mode' then i think the poll interval will be visible with a ps ax | grep fetchmail |
| 15:23.29 | Jel | it can FIND the data stick now |
| 15:23.33 | Jel | but cannot mount it |
| 15:23.39 | Jel | due to that previous error for sdc |
| 15:23.42 | thingfish | Fredyy: did you use the 2.6 kernel during the install? |
| 15:23.54 | Jel | its just a kingston 256mb |
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| 15:23.58 | PSIplus | hi |
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| 15:24.19 | thingfish | Fredyy: because a 2.4 kernel is the installer's default. |
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| 15:25.10 | PSIplus | I run courier-imap with maildirs under debian sarge - when users delete messages via mail clients, then they don't "go away", bit instead stay, and the mail-app shows them "strike thru" in grey... It's not possible to delete... What's wrong? |
| 15:25.22 | morten | onetinsoldier: "/usr/bin/fetchmail -f /etc/fetchmailrc -d 300" |
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| 15:25.32 | ricky_clarkson | I find it rather odd that I can download an ISO but the Windows tool to burn it to CD, rwwrtwin, is in the /tools directory on the .iso, which, afaik, I cannot access until I've burned the CD. |
| 15:25.33 | morten | why does ps aux return that when i haven't set the interval yet? |
| 15:25.43 | ricky_clarkson | !rwwrtwin |
| 15:25.58 | ricky_clarkson | The docs that tell me this are here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#id2520816 |
| 15:26.34 | onetinsoldier | morten: what's that from? |
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| 15:26.53 | onetinsoldier | ps ax | grep fetchmail? |
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| 15:27.13 | morten | onetinsoldier: yes. but i think i figured it out |
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| 15:27.23 | onetinsoldier | ok.. let me know what you did! |
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| 15:27.54 | morten | onetinsoldier: searching /etc/init.d/fetchmail for '300' returned a little gem. |
| 15:27.58 | morten | give it a go |
| 15:29.15 | onetinsoldier | morten: hehe, i'm still learning here too man. i'm still very rusty. been using linix again for about two weeks now. was a hardcore user over three and a half years ago. so... |
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| 15:29.39 | onetinsoldier | s/linix/linux |
| 15:29.46 | ricky_clarkson | How can I burn an .iso in Windows? |
| 15:29.50 | De_Mon | hmm.. i've got alias vi='vim' can I get sudo vi to use vim without adding another alias? |
| 15:29.57 | ricky_clarkson | ..relevant because it's a Debian ISO ;) |
| 15:30.00 | Deep6 | anyone ever seen apt do this... |
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| 15:30.07 | Deep6 | binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) |
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| 15:30.32 | Deep6 | I've manually downloaded the Packages.bz2 and it is a bz2 fil |
| 15:30.33 | Deep6 | e |
| 15:30.38 | morten | onetinsoldier: i'm still a complete newbie. but i felt like setting up an email depository on my local server, so i've been working on that for the past few days. got it set up pretty nice. |
| 15:30.39 | MoDaX | De_Mon: # update-alternatives --config vi |
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| 15:31.20 | morten | onetinsoldier: speaking of which. what do you think would be a reasonable polling interval? |
| 15:31.25 | tosh | I get "the two restart pages in $LogFile do not match" when trying to read/write mount an ntfs volume. What's going on? |
| 15:32.06 | De_Mon | MoDaX vi is using vim, but because it's executed as vi it runs in compatability mode (unstable) |
| 15:32.11 | Jel | ok this is friggen weird MoDaX |
| 15:32.19 | Jel | i've just tried setting up eth0 as well |
| 15:32.22 | cahoot | ricky_clarkson: cdrecord |
| 15:32.26 | Jel | (even though it doesnt exist?!) |
| 15:32.26 | onetinsoldier | morten: i know what you mean. i worked all day just a couple of days ago setting up 'sendmail 8.13.6' with sasl2 support configured and fetchmail, and then getting a graphical mail user agent to communicate with sendmail ok |
| 15:32.39 | Jel | and i set eth0 to 192.168.1.2 and eth1 to 192.168.1.3 |
| 15:32.43 | Jel | and it WORKS :S |
| 15:32.48 | De_Mon | MoDaX I didn't really want to make old vi behavior system wide |
| 15:32.48 | Jel | same subnets/gateway |
| 15:32.48 | morten | onetinsoldier: why sendmail? isn't that pretty outdated? |
| 15:32.52 | ricky_clarkson | cahoot: I found the Debian FAQ and it listed http://www.cdburnerxp.se/download.php at the top. |
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| 15:33.30 | MoDaX | De_Mon: edit /etc/vim/virc |
| 15:33.42 | onetinsoldier | morten: i beleive sendmail is one of the most powerful mail transport agents available in linux. maybe not though |
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| 15:33.52 | onetinsoldier | *believe |
| 15:34.10 | onetinsoldier | morten: sendmail runs a lot of mail around the world |
| 15:34.11 | morten | onetinsoldier: i wouldn't know. i just seem to remember reading that it's not updated anymore. i could be wrong, tho |
| 15:34.30 | morten | yea, that's true. |
| 15:34.45 | MoDaX | Jel: udev might have screwed up eth device names |
| 15:34.50 | onetinsoldier | morten: sendmail is definitely still updated! |
| 15:35.02 | morten | i mean, it's one of the oldest MTAs around, so it's probably rock solid |
| 15:35.15 | MoDaX | Jel: so instead of eth1 your device is eth0 now |
| 15:35.20 | morten | onetinsoldier: does it support maildirs? |
| 15:35.43 | LSorensen | morten: not as far as I know. could always feed it all through procmail of course |
| 15:35.45 | onetinsoldier | morten: you mean in /var/mail? |
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| 15:35.59 | cahoot | ricky_clarkson: I just found it amusing that cdrecord actually is available for win too |
| 15:36.02 | Jel | MoDaX - it needs BOTH or it wont work :S |
| 15:36.07 | morten | LSorensen: what you mean? |
| 15:36.08 | LSorensen | morten: as for solid, well it is one of the ones I remember seeing the most security issues in over the years |
| 15:36.18 | Jel | great |
| 15:36.20 | mike-e | how can i set file association, not just for email and web, i mean i want to set all .wav files to be opened with audacity |
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| 15:36.21 | morten | onetinsoldier: no. Maildir/, as opposed to Mbox |
| 15:36.24 | LSorensen | morten: sendmail doesn't do Maildir by itself. procmail can though |
| 15:36.32 | Jel | i just realised that it wont let me copy/paste stuff to one of my drives |
| 15:36.34 | Jel | just great |
| 15:36.40 | Jel | saying i dont have permission |
| 15:36.48 | morten | ah, makes sense |
| 15:36.50 | LSorensen | morten: so if you had it deliver everything through procmail it could work. of course you could use a good mail server instead. :) |
| 15:37.03 | onetinsoldier | morten: sendmail is very very picky about the ownership and permission of dirs it operates with |
| 15:37.06 | LSorensen | morten: I use exim. I hear good things about postfix too. |
| 15:37.19 | morten | LSorensen: i'm using postfix on my local system now. |
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| 15:37.23 | morten | of course, that's just a local depository. |
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| 15:37.52 | LSorensen | morten: I have used zmailer in the past, which did they job nicely (although I don't know aobut maildir. good for speed though). |
| 15:37.53 | De_Mon | what is this, a poll? I use postfix too! |
| 15:38.00 | morten | all i'm really doing is grabbing mail from the external server with fetchmail, dropping it to a Maildir on my LAN server, and reading it via IMAP |
| 15:38.16 | LSorensen | morten: probably don't even need a mailserver for that |
| 15:38.17 | De_Mon | why maildir? |
| 15:38.28 | LSorensen | morten: just fetchmail to procmail should do I imagine |
| 15:38.30 | morten | LSorensen: probably not. but it's a learning experience. |
| 15:38.46 | De_Mon | procmail for imap? |
| 15:38.52 | morten | yea, but i'm gonna expand on it eventually too |
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| 15:38.55 | LSorensen | morten: I consider sendmail not worth learning. |
| 15:39.01 | morten | Courier-imap handled the imap |
| 15:39.03 | Jel | anyone know why i cant access my drives (write access) |
| 15:39.04 | Jel | :S |
| 15:39.06 | LSorensen | morten: something modern with a sane config is worth learning |
| 15:39.07 | morten | LSorensen: i'm not using sendmail. i'm using postfix. |
| 15:39.08 | onetinsoldier | morten: no.. i don't think it does operate with 'maildirs' tho.. not sure. i have procmail installed too. guess it can handle that? |
| 15:39.13 | Jel | they're mounted as /mediaserver |
| 15:39.17 | De_Mon | Jel they are mounted readonly? |
| 15:39.17 | LSorensen | morten: well that's sane :) |
| 15:39.24 | morten | onetinsoldier: i'm not sure frankly |
| 15:39.25 | Jel | (ie NOT /mnt/mediaserver, but just /mediaserver |
| 15:39.28 | Jel | how do i change that ? |
| 15:39.35 | Jel | the read only bit |
| 15:39.40 | Jel | i can write to them as root |
| 15:39.44 | Jel | but not as my normal user |
| 15:39.50 | MoDaX | Jel: what FS? |
| 15:39.52 | LSorensen | morten: I think postfix can do maildir with the right config. I know exim certainly can (I use it that way). |
| 15:39.54 | MoDaX | Jel: /etc/fstab |
| 15:39.55 | Jel | XFS |
| 15:39.56 | morten | onetinsoldier: i don't think there's anything wrong with mbox, tho. i just like the imap concept. |
| 15:39.57 | De_Mon | Jel your normal user doesnt have permissions |
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| 15:40.11 | morten | LSorensen: postfix uses maildir just fine on my system |
| 15:40.11 | De_Mon | morten imap works fine on mboxes |
| 15:40.15 | LSorensen | jel: do the userid's match on both ends? |
| 15:40.16 | Jel | so how do i set that they do then de mon?:S |
| 15:40.21 | LSorensen | morten: excelent |
| 15:40.26 | morten | De_Mon: isn't imap made specifically for maildirs? |
| 15:40.29 | LSorensen | De_Mon: courier only does maildir though |
| 15:40.35 | LSorensen | morten: no imap is just a protocol |
| 15:40.40 | De_Mon | LSorensen oh -- im using uw-imap |
| 15:40.45 | Jel | what do you mean sorensen ? |
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| 15:40.49 | morten | oh yea, that's right. |
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| 15:40.52 | De_Mon | morten corier imap might be |
| 15:40.53 | LSorensen | De_Mon: yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck.... |
| 15:41.03 | morten | De_Mon: yea. courier-imap only does maildir |
| 15:41.08 | De_Mon | LSorensen it was that or courier :P |
| 15:41.13 | morten | but courier-pop does mbox, i guess |
| 15:41.25 | LSorensen | De_Mon: there must be other choices. |
| 15:41.31 | LSorensen | De_Mon: although I use courier |
| 15:41.32 | morten | De_Mon: so why didn't you go with courier? |
| 15:41.36 | De_Mon | its bloody imap, whats the difference |
| 15:41.40 | LSorensen | morten: no courier only does maildir. |
| 15:41.48 | morten | and why not use maildir? |
| 15:41.54 | onetinsoldier | morten: so did you manage to get the fetchmail poll interval working like you wanted yet? |
| 15:41.55 | LSorensen | morten: it's not the default |
| 15:41.57 | De_Mon | LSorensen i didn't see any other options |
| 15:42.09 | morten | onetinsoldier: i didn't test it, but ps aux returns -d 600, like i set it |
| 15:42.11 | LSorensen | De_Mon: could be. I like maildir personally so I have no problem with courier needing it |
| 15:42.14 | De_Mon | morten too many little files |
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| 15:42.26 | morten | De_Mon: many little files make for quick writes |
| 15:42.29 | onetinsoldier | morten: cool. it's working then :-) |
| 15:42.31 | morten | as opposed to rewriting a huge mbox |
| 15:42.35 | De_Mon | morten and wasted space |
| 15:42.40 | LSorensen | De_Mon: faster to remove messages from and to read the headers. I know moving to maildir made my mailserver much happier. |
| 15:42.42 | morten | onetinsoldier: what do you think would be a reasonable polling interval? |
| 15:42.47 | morten | De_Mon: how much wasted space, tho? |
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| 15:43.02 | morten | De_Mon: i've got 50 gig to spare. i think i might be fine. |
| 15:43.09 | De_Mon | morten 1000 200byte messages with 4096byte inodes you do the math |
| 15:43.19 | onetinsoldier | morten: is this just for you on you own box? or does this effect other users in the world? |
| 15:43.20 | LSorensen | De_Mon: some people have too much email, and when uw-imap has to load 500M of mail into ram to read the headers, the machine would be upset. courier-imap with maildir only had to ead the begining of each little file, and ran in 5s rather than 15m. |
| 15:43.23 | De_Mon | maybe 200bytes is a litle low |
| 15:43.28 | morten | onetinsoldier: me, myself and i |
| 15:43.34 | LSorensen | De_Mon: I think most emails are more like 2 to 4k |
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| 15:43.46 | LSorensen | De_Mon: if not bigger |
| 15:43.48 | Jel | how do i make my drive accessible by more than jsut root ? |
| 15:43.51 | Jel | like, permissions |
| 15:43.51 | onetinsoldier | morten: i set mine for every four hours... 14440 |
| 15:43.54 | morten | LSorensen: my cock enhancement emails are way bigger than that |
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| 15:43.58 | De_Mon | lets say most of them are 5k, thats 3k wasted per message! |
| 15:44.07 | LSorensen | De_Mon: depends on the filesystem. |
| 15:44.10 | De_Mon | 3megs omgzor |
| 15:44.14 | De_Mon | LSorensen depends on inode size |
| 15:44.19 | LSorensen | De_Mon: the performance difference was easily worth some cheap disk space |
| 15:44.33 | LSorensen | De_Mon: could always ut mail on a drive with 1k blocks |
| 15:44.39 | morten | LSorensen: i agree. it's a two-edged sword, tho. mbox searches faster than maildir. |
| 15:44.44 | LSorensen | De_Mon: or reiserfs with tail packing if you are nuts |
| 15:44.48 | morten | but maildir destroys mbox when it comes to write speed |
| 15:44.48 | onetinsoldier | morten: really all up to you since it's just for yourself. depends on how often 'you' want your mail checked. |
| 15:44.58 | De_Mon | reiserfs, ya I'm not that nuts I like my data |
| 15:45.00 | LSorensen | morten: hmm, depends. I found the maildir searched faster for me. |
| 15:45.06 | morten | onetinsoldier: i was more wondering how often would be too often. what's considered impolite? |
| 15:45.17 | morten | LSorensen: i'll take your word on it. i haven't tested. it's just what i read. |
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| 15:45.38 | morten | LSorensen: i think that's more valid when you've got a lot of email, tho. since that would mean a lot of files in your maildir |
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| 15:46.04 | onetinsoldier | morten: set it to like 1800 |
| 15:46.05 | LSorensen | morten: I was shocked when the imap users with 1000s of messages opened their email after I moved to Maildir with courier. What used to take 10 to 15 minutes to sync the headers (while the mail server was swapping itself to death) took a few seconds with no swapping |
| 15:46.08 | De_Mon | duno, grep is pretty damn fast on lots of little files |
| 15:46.20 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm trying to switch from lilo to grub. grub-install /dev/fd0 creates a valid bootfloppy. grub-install /dev/hde installs a b0rked grub on my hard disk. Everytimes I want to boot I get Grub Error 17. Any idea why ? (/dev/hde because my first hard disk is plugged on the third IDE controller, which is an ATA100-RAID controller) |
| 15:46.36 | De_Mon | LSorensen but now you can't say 'you have too much email delete some' |
| 15:46.44 | onetinsoldier | morten: 1800 is every 30 minutes. that should be polite i would think. |
| 15:46.45 | LSorensen | morten: and of course being able to update the read stats of messages by changing one file rather than a huge file is much faster too. less disk ie |
| 15:46.58 | LSorensen | De_Mon: you can't tell the owner of the company that anyhow. :) |
| 15:47.11 | Jel | can anyone help me ? |
| 15:47.15 | LSorensen | De_Mon: well you can. I tried that. |
| 15:47.15 | ricky_clarkson | cahoot: I can't find a download for cdrecord for Windows. |
| 15:47.25 | LSorensen | ricky_clarkson: they exist, but they are hard to find |
| 15:47.27 | Jel | i dont see why it has just "locked me out" of write access |
| 15:47.41 | morten | onetinsoldier: thanks |
| 15:47.44 | De_Mon | intersting |
| 15:47.49 | morten | LSorensen: that's hardcore |
| 15:47.52 | morten | do you run email for a lot of people? |
| 15:47.56 | ricky_clarkson | LSorensen: Ah. |
| 15:48.04 | ricky_clarkson | Anything else I can use to burn an ISO? |
| 15:48.10 | onetinsoldier | morten: sure.. np. glad you got it set up all good now! |
| 15:48.38 | De_Mon | ricky_clarkson huh? windows? this isn't a damn windows chat room |
| 15:48.51 | morten | onetinsoldier: ya. this was the final piece of the puzzle. at least for now. mutt already checks the local imap server at regular intervals. so now everything can just sit around and wait for email |
| 15:48.56 | morten | thanks a bunch |
| 15:49.07 | mike_007 | s: how stable is exim on heavy loads? any exper.? |
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| 15:49.10 | De_Mon | ricky_clarkson if you're burning debian cd's use nero or... hrm what was that free one |
| 15:49.21 | onetinsoldier | morten: :-) |
| 15:49.24 | ricky_clarkson | De_Mon: Nero crashes on startup on this box. |
| 15:49.38 | Ronin | then find out why and fix it? |
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| 15:49.44 | ricky_clarkson | De_Mon: It's relevant, as the CD I want to burn is a Debian CD. |
| 15:49.44 | lord_rob | De_Mon: dvd-decrypter could do the job on windows |
| 15:49.51 | ricky_clarkson | Ronin: I am not responsible for the box. |
| 15:50.01 | oboy | how do I set a value for the variable LS_COLORS?, I want to set a color to directories |
| 15:50.01 | De_Mon | ricky_clarkson try CDBurnerXP Pro |
| 15:50.11 | morten | onetinsoldier: actually...no it doesn't. do you know how to make mutt update at regular intervals? |
| 15:50.18 | ricky_clarkson | De_Mon: The download links for that are mainly broken. |
| 15:50.28 | ricky_clarkson | De_Mon: If they're not all broken. I can go back and check the rest. |
| 15:50.37 | onetinsoldier | oboy: have you looked at the file '.bashrc' in your home dir? |
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| 15:50.56 | morten | does anyone know how to make mutt automatically update an imap inbox on a regular interval? |
| 15:50.56 | oboy | no |
| 15:50.56 | Noboru | Is my mysql running by root ? i installed mysql via apt-get intsall |
| 15:51.07 | De_Mon | ricky_clarkson http://www.snapfiles.com/download/dlcdburnerxp.html |
| 15:51.18 | onetinsoldier | morten: i have used mutt before.. i have an old muttrc file laying around from those years ago. want me to have a look at it? hehe |
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| 15:51.32 | De_Mon | Noboru ps aux|grep mysql |
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| 15:52.02 | morten | onetinsoldier: sure, if you can be arsed |
| 15:52.05 | onetinsoldier | morten: otherwise... i don't remember, it was years ago |
| 15:52.08 | De_Mon | morten http://www.dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2004-March/003020.html |
| 15:52.22 | onetinsoldier | morten: i'll take a look at it and see if i can tell |
| 15:52.27 | Noboru | De_Mon, yeah,root |
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| 15:54.52 | Jel | WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS CRAP >_< |
| 15:54.52 | onetinsoldier | morten: i just looked. i didn't have any setting in there for that. does mutt really need a setting for a poll interval of it's own? |
| 15:54.52 | Jel | its pissing me off no end |
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| 15:55.20 | onetinsoldier | morten: in other words, sorry. i really don't know on that one |
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| 15:55.57 | morten | onetinsoldier: yes, it does. i think i might have figured it out, tho |
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| 15:56.34 | onetinsoldier | morten: roger. you'll have to read some docs i reckon |
| 15:56.38 | De_Mon | Jel cd burner being a butthole? |
| 15:56.46 | Jel | no de mon |
| 15:56.48 | morten | onetinsoldier: actually, i found a sample muttrc with a bunch of comments |
| 15:56.54 | morten | http://impressive.net/people/gerald/misc/dotfiles/muttrc |
| 15:57.06 | Jel | its made some sort of restriction on write access to my SATA drives |
| 15:57.08 | Jel | >_< |
| 15:57.08 | De_Mon | dotfiles hehe |
| 15:57.11 | Jel | only root can write to them |
| 15:57.13 | onetinsoldier | morten: cool. that's how i started customizing my mutt back when i used it |
| 15:57.14 | Jel | and i have no idea why |
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| 15:57.30 | De_Mon | oh, that. what fs did you say? |
| 15:57.38 | Jel | XFS |
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| 15:57.49 | Jel | one drive is purely for storage |
| 15:57.53 | Katai | hi people |
| 15:57.56 | Jel | and / is on a XFS drive |
| 15:58.13 | morten | onetinsoldier: sadly, we won't know for another 3600 seconds, tho. thanks to our fetchmail setup <3 |
| 15:58.14 | nicoco | hi. does anyone has gnome's sound recorder working under sid ? nothing happens when i push the "record" button |
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| 15:58.19 | morten | but i'm a patient man |
| 15:58.23 | De_Mon | Jel did you try chmod a+w /mountpoint to give everyone write access? |
| 15:58.35 | Jel | no |
| 15:58.38 | Jel | i dont know about that |
| 15:58.39 | Jel | :) |
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| 15:58.44 | onetinsoldier | morten: rofl.. you can always do a /etc/init.d/fetchmail restart |
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| 15:58.56 | Jel | is that permanent ? |
| 15:58.57 | De_Mon | ls -al /mountpoint will tell you the permissions of the files/dirs |
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| 15:59.15 | De_Mon | Jel if it works, yes.. never used xfs |
| 15:59.29 | De_Mon | i imagine the file permissions are standard though |
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| 15:59.41 | morten | onetinsoldier: hehe. perhaps i should. |
| 15:59.46 | De_Mon | theres probably a mount flag too |
| 15:59.46 | onetinsoldier | ;-) |
| 15:59.52 | Katai | people, anyone now something about this anounce ? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html , we are going to move to irc.oftc.net ? |
| 16:00.16 | Katai | s/anounce/announce/g |
| 16:00.22 | Ronin | !tell Katai about oftc move |
| 16:00.33 | dererk | Katai, look at the topic you fool! xD |
| 16:00.53 | dererk | Katai, and leave that cat alone, please! :P |
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| 16:01.15 | Katai | dererk, I'm not going to say what I'm thinking because I don't know this people .... |
| 16:01.27 | De_Mon | !tell de_mon about oftc move |
| 16:01.32 | dererk | Katai, xD |
| 16:01.48 | damosu | a ver pq no preguntais que pasara con estos canales? |
| 16:01.53 | damosu | yo es que no se ingles |
| 16:02.01 | dererk | damosu, mamon xD |
| 16:02.05 | Ronin | br or es? |
| 16:02.10 | Jel | oh ffs |
| 16:02.11 | damosu | qu te den :P |
| 16:02.12 | damosu | es |
| 16:02.12 | Katai | damosu, van a vivir los dos canales en simultaneo |
| 16:02.15 | Ronin | !es |
| 16:02.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:02.32 | dererk | Ronin, we are from there :) |
| 16:02.36 | dererk | Katai, damosu and me |
| 16:02.50 | Katai | we came only for ask about the moving |
| 16:02.55 | dererk | We are wondering what would happen with all this channels |
| 16:03.06 | Ronin | far as i know we're staying on freenode |
| 16:03.22 | Ronin | but irc.debian.org is pointing to oftc as of teh 4th |
| 16:03.29 | Ronin | sort of like that dpkg said |
| 16:03.43 | dererk | Yeah, we already knew that :P |
| 16:04.52 | Fredyy | does anybody know a problem about the "SiS 748" Chipset? I cna't install my debian. I always get "lost interrupt" errors. But Gentoo was working fine with the same hardware. |
| 16:05.02 | rabautz | Hi i have a prob: i have a dds-streamer and have a backup of my home-dir on it. I wanted to do: tar -tvf /dev/nst0 home/user, i did: tar -cvf /dev/nst0 home/user. Any chances to get my data back? |
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| 16:05.42 | Elops | I have Ubuntu and no Internet connection. (now doesn't count ;) I wonder if I would solve my dependencies problems (I always need lib this and that...) if I would just get all the Debian CDs and add them into Synaptic. Is this software compatible with Ubuntu? Should be, ah? |
| 16:05.43 | morten | onetinsoldier: i did indeed not fix it. i'll have to fix it later :( |
| 16:05.50 | morten | no time rite now |
| 16:05.53 | rabautz | not tvf but xvf was what i wanted .. |
| 16:06.09 | onetinsoldier | morten: you mean mutt? |
| 16:06.26 | morten | onetinsoldier: yes. |
| 16:06.28 | Ronin | Elops: not a good idea to do that |
| 16:06.32 | onetinsoldier | morten: i'm sure you'll get it fixed up given some time when you have it |
| 16:06.49 | simonrvn | abrotman: pong |
| 16:06.51 | morten | onetinsoldier: i'll figure it out. just gotta wait until i've got time to sit down with it. |
| 16:06.55 | Elops | Why not? |
| 16:06.56 | onetinsoldier | ya |
| 16:06.59 | morten | byes |
| 16:07.02 | Elops | why isnt it a good idea? |
| 16:07.03 | abrotman | simonrvn: eh .. too late .. already ordered it :0 |
| 16:07.12 | onetinsoldier | bye morten. take care |
| 16:07.26 | Elops | anyone? |
| 16:07.28 | simonrvn | ok *shrug* |
| 16:07.28 | Ronin | well for starters ubuntu isnt debian so your going to likely make it worse |
| 16:07.31 | Ronin | Elops: patience |
| 16:07.50 | De_Mon | Elops ask ubuntu |
| 16:07.59 | Elops | Ubuntu and Debian are NOT binary-compatible? |
| 16:08.10 | Ronin | Elops: why would they be? |
| 16:08.18 | simonrvn | for some packages no. hence the deps will differ |
| 16:08.19 | De_Mon | !ubuntu |
| 16:08.19 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 16:08.33 | simonrvn | s,some,a lot, |
| 16:08.38 | De_Mon | !tell elops about based on debian |
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| 16:09.02 | tarzeau | i want a pony |
| 16:09.12 | De_Mon | I want a cow |
| 16:09.17 | beardy | !moo |
| 16:09.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 16:09.18 | onetinsoldier | !moo |
| 16:09.24 | beardy | !win me |
| 16:09.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, beardy! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 16:09.27 | Ronin | id settle for going home |
| 16:09.28 | De_Mon | lol |
| 16:09.33 | simonrvn | don't have a cow man |
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| 16:09.55 | simonrvn | do the moo |
| 16:09.58 | onetinsoldier | rofl |
| 16:10.00 | nse | hey guys i am having a terrible problem with my fonts. because i got really used to a font in my website, and it suddenly changed for no good reason! everything became a bit bolder, the font type seem to be the same, but bolder. i have tries everything in the gnome control center (fonts) to go back to the original situation without success. i don't know what to do now, could anybody help me going round this? |
| 16:10.02 | spart | i have gnome 2.12 installed. i removed testing/unstable and did an apt-get update. how can i downgrade to gnome 2.8 (stable)? if i try apt-get update it complains that my deps wont be downgraded. if i list the deps in the command line it works but i woul dhave to do this for every dep, any ideas? |
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| 16:10.21 | tarzeau | nse: screenshot? |
| 16:10.36 | tarzeau | spart: you can't downgrade |
| 16:10.36 | nse | tarzeau: sure. a sec... |
| 16:10.38 | Ronin | spart: i dont believe downgrading is possible |
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| 16:11.08 | De_Mon | spart you could always remove gnome |
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| 16:11.54 | spart | Yeah, it looks like remove /re install |
| 16:12.23 | cahoot | nse: full subpixel-hinting set? |
| 16:12.41 | De_Mon | spart google says:http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html |
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| 16:13.24 | De_Mon | always ask google before irc |
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| 16:14.24 | maxxle | I want to run didiwiki for a small project. There is a small Webserver integrated into this package. There is no change to protect it with username/password. Is there another way I could protect a port on my machine with a password? |
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| 16:15.23 | De_Mon | maxxle how would you enter the password to use that port? |
| 16:15.35 | Maulkin | maxxle: That password thing is part of HTTP and dependant on the webserver |
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| 16:15.58 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, I think downloading a .iso in a coffee shop is a bit cheeky. |
| 16:15.59 | maxxle | Good question. Maybe there is some workaround? |
| 16:16.06 | ricky_clarkson | Especially when I haven't bought a coffee. |
| 16:16.12 | Maulkin | maxxle: You can't really just 'password a port' without some custom scripts at the server and and the client end |
| 16:16.48 | ricky_clarkson | maxxle: You might want to look into 'port knocking'. |
| 16:16.51 | Maulkin | maxxle: Prehaps 'try a different wiki engine'? :) |
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| 16:16.56 | ricky_clarkson | Then again maybe not. |
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| 16:17.09 | tuv | i'm using nullmailer to forward mail to another machine on my local network. when i run "mail root", the message get delivered correctly, but "mail root@localhost" results in a returned message that is successfully delivered, reported an unroutable address of root@localhost.<the string from /etc/mailname> !! |
| 16:17.10 | Maulkin | ricky_clarkson: yeah, 'custom scripts' :) |
| 16:17.18 | ben42 | which ldap-server you would recommend in a small environment? package slapd oder package ultrapossum-server? |
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| 16:18.12 | maxxle | Maulkin: Or hack a pw-script into the didiwiki engine :) |
| 16:18.21 | nse | tarzeau: http://www.portalcab.com/leo/02.htm here they are, the first one is the bad and current one. |
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| 16:18.46 | Maulkin | maxxle: True :) |
| 16:19.12 | tarzeau | nse: have you been to www.lsd.info the 100year seminar? |
| 16:19.13 | De_Mon | LSorensen any tips on converting from mbox to maildir? it doesn't look like postfix will just do it for me |
| 16:19.28 | dstar | I just updated my system to exim 4, and I'm having trouble getting spamassassin running correctly again -- specicfically, it doesn't seem to be using Bayesian filtering. What do I have to do to enable it? |
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| 16:19.58 | Maulkin | De_Mon: Tried google? |
| 16:19.59 | De_Mon | oh oh found a uw/imap to maildir/courier howto :) |
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| 16:20.09 | De_Mon | Maulkin ya, lots of rubbish untill just now |
| 16:20.32 | Maulkin | De_Mon: Tried apt-cache search? |
| 16:20.37 | tarzeau | does acpi -Bt work for you? |
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| 16:20.53 | nse | tarzeau: i couldn't. albert hoffman did 100 years at this time. |
| 16:21.16 | Maulkin | De_Mon: These are rehtoric questions. : mb2md - Converting Mbox mailboxes to Maildir format |
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| 16:22.36 | tuv | is it nullmailer or is it mail constructing a wrong receiver address |
| 16:23.04 | De_Mon | my apt searching didn't spot mb2md thanks |
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| 16:23.35 | mc__ | anyone using emacs and slime on debian? cant figure out how to set up slime |
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| 16:23.44 | xsdg | what's the experimental source line? (dpkg used to know, but there's just a warning there now) |
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| 16:24.01 | FreshPrince | hi guys |
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| 16:25.08 | Maulkin | xsdg: s/unstable/experimental/g ? |
| 16:25.16 | cr3 | I'm building a debian package and I have a postinstall file in the DEBIAN directory. however, when I install my package, it seems that it's not being executed. how can I find out what's wrong? |
| 16:25.23 | xsdg | Maulkin: no; it's weird; I just don't remember what it looks like |
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| 16:25.37 | Maulkin | xsdg: I think it was removed because "If you ahve to ask, you shoudn't be using it" or something |
| 16:25.38 | avalost | anyone here use a nextel phone? |
| 16:25.48 | avalost | trying to use a data cable with my phone |
| 16:26.04 | avalost | no idea how to get it to work with linux |
| 16:26.05 | xsdg | aah; there we go: deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian ../project/experimental main contrib |
| 16:26.10 | Maulkin | cjns3274: try #debian-mentors |
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| 16:26.23 | xsdg | Maulkin: yeah, that's what I figured; dpkg was my main way of finding out what the line was, though :o/ |
| 16:26.40 | Maulkin | xsdg: Erm... that's a screwed up line. It's not standard. |
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| 16:26.47 | dstar | anyone? I'm seeing a lot more spam get through as compared to yesterday, and I don't see any bayes scores in their headers.... |
| 16:26.49 | CalvadoS | hello, i abit fixup. I tried to remove and reinstall courier package at my debian box. but its failing. how can I force to remove and reinstall it |
| 16:26.55 | Maulkin | ie: that line is specific to the mirror. |
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| 16:27.15 | GeorgeS069 | howdy folks |
| 16:27.16 | Maulkin | CalvadoS: apt-get remove --purge <package>; apt-get install <package> |
| 16:27.25 | xsdg | Maulkin: yeah; like I was saying, it's weird |
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| 16:27.44 | Maulkin | xsdg: Well, that's not gonna be info in dpkg... |
| 16:27.44 | tuv | how do i avoid attaching </etc/mailname> to localhost? |
| 16:27.55 | xsdg | Maulkin: that's worked with that, ftp.us.d.o and http.us.d.o |
| 16:28.12 | xsdg | Maulkin: I'm absolutely certain that it used to be |
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| 16:28.38 | Maulkin | xsdg: Odd, it certainly shouldn't be :) |
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| 16:28.55 | dstar | Is there a better place to ask this question? |
| 16:29.02 | Maulkin | GeorgeS069: Please just ask a question if you have one :) |
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| 16:29.23 | CalvadoS | Maulkin, ty it worked |
| 16:29.23 | Maulkin | dstar: What's the question? |
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| 16:29.47 | LSorensen | De_Mon: there are scripts around that can do it. formail and procmail can do it too. in procmail any target named xxx/ is maildir, and if named xxx is mbox. |
| 16:29.55 | GeorgeS069 | I'm just here to watch and learn...and maybe help out |
| 16:30.01 | Maulkin | dstar: Ahh, Bayesian |
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| 16:30.12 | dstar | maulkin: I just updated my system to exim 4, and I'm having trouble getting spamassassin running correctly again -- specicfically, it doesn't seem to be using Bayesian filtering. What do I have to do to enable it? |
| 16:30.12 | LSorensen | De_Mon: there should be a maildirmake in courier I think for creating new maildirs |
| 16:30.21 | dstar | Maulkin: right |
| 16:30.30 | Maulkin | dstar: IIRC, Bayesian database format chaned. You *can* convert it, but I think I just wiped the dbs and stared again. |
| 16:30.33 | LSorensen | dstar: I thought spamassasin was always a pattern match system? |
| 16:30.39 | cr3 | nevermind, the file should actually be called "postinst" as opposed to "postinstall" |
| 16:30.40 | Maulkin | dstar: Have a look at the SARE rulesets too |
| 16:30.43 | LSorensen | dstar: I use bogofilter which works great |
| 16:30.48 | dstar | Maulkin: SARE? |
| 16:30.51 | Maulkin | dstar: and dspam |
| 16:31.19 | dstar | Maulkin: Is there a good set of docs I can read somewhere? |
| 16:31.22 | Maulkin | dstar: Or Rules d'Jour IIRC |
| 16:32.05 | dstar | Maulkin: So I should wipe /home/dstar/.spamassassin/bayes_* and relearn? |
| 16:32.19 | Maulkin | dstar: That's what *I* did |
| 16:32.33 | Maulkin | dstar: I'd suggest googling for sare though |
| 16:32.34 | Maulkin | !sare |
| 16:32.39 | Maulkin | Damn. |
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| 16:32.53 | Maulkin | dstar: It's a set of rules for spamassassin that work well. |
| 16:32.58 | dstar | ok |
| 16:33.03 | dstar | Maulkin: thanks! |
| 16:33.08 | Maulkin | dstar: It can be automaticaly updated by a script called roles_du_jour |
| 16:33.25 | Maulkin | And now, I need to go catch a train home. |
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| 16:33.26 | Maulkin | Laters |
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| 16:34.37 | dstar | Maulkin: cool |
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| 16:36.14 | gusylu | no se si estoy dentro del chat |
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| 16:36.56 | gusylu | alguien que hable cristiano |
| 16:37.18 | tuv | please someone help.. why "mail root@localhost" sends to root@localhost.</etc/mailname>.. it should be either root@localhost or root@</etc/mailname>, shouldn't it? |
| 16:37.22 | azeem | !es |
| 16:37.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:37.55 | seb- | How debug? I sent email to new mail server...it didn't bounce back and i didn't see it at server!?! |
| 16:37.58 | gusylu | ok voy paya creo |
| 16:38.04 | Fredyy | does anybody know a problem about the "SiS 748" Chipset? I cna't install my debian. I always get "lost interrupt" errors. But Gentoo was working fine with the same hardware. |
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| 16:39.38 | dragan2 | i am trying to install debian sarge on a toshiba satellite m70 laptop. During the installation it can not partition- i seems that it can not recognise the SATA disk. Is it possible to fixe this and how?? thanx... |
| 16:39.50 | GeorgeS069 | Fredyy : Do you know which kernel version you are using? |
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| 16:40.02 | tiger | I want a program to run when system starts up, how do I do that? |
| 16:40.39 | thingfish | dragan2: did you try with the installer's 2.6 kernel, or the default 2.4 one? |
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| 16:40.55 | dstar | Maulkin: is there a debian package for rules_du_jaur? |
| 16:41.23 | dragan2 | thingfish: i tried both 2.6 and 2.4 (default) and expert mode but to no avail... |
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| 16:41.42 | tiger | any help??? |
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| 16:43.39 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 16:44.07 | JAV | tiger: man update-rc.d |
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| 16:44.41 | mynullvoid | I am having problem with my mouse: psmouse.c: Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 1 bytes <--- my mouse freeze all the time :( |
| 16:45.13 | mynullvoid | my kernel is 2.6.16-2-k7 |
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| 16:46.51 | onetinsoldier | tiger: you can make a init script. have a look at www.tldp.org ...i think there's some docs on there that'll help you out in addition to the man page that JAV said to read. |
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| 16:48.27 | Alam_Debian | i can use modinfo to see what a module depends on, how can I a 'tree' or something of what module depends or a util to see dependants of it? |
| 16:48.33 | mynullvoid | how do I fix my mouse :( |
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| 16:48.36 | tiger | onetinsoldier, I was just wondering bout rc.boot, I do not have this file, should i create it? |
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| 16:49.01 | destr0 | anyone know of a command line / curses program similar to gringotts? |
| 16:49.41 | onetinsoldier | tiger: i don't think so. that might be for another type of init. i think debian uses bsd style init |
| 16:50.23 | onetinsoldier | tiger: someone more knoweldgeable might be able to give a better answer then me though |
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| 16:50.39 | pipeline | onetinsoldier, tiger : Debian uses a System V init, as all standard systems do. |
| 16:50.55 | onetinsoldier | pipeline: ok. roger. thanks |
| 16:50.57 | pipeline | onetinsoldier, tiger : "rc.boot" is some kind of BSD brain-damage. Every BSD-style init is wildly different from every other :( |
| 16:51.00 | tiger | pipeline, what is System V? |
| 16:51.07 | pipeline | tiger: System V was AT&T's UNIX. |
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| 16:51.31 | pipeline | tiger: Err, AT&T's own, specific UNIX. There were lots of UNIX licensees who took very early (pre-SysV) UNIX and made weird and twisted things out of it. |
| 16:51.33 | CalvadoS | is there vckpw version of authdaemon as debian package ? |
| 16:51.51 | tiger | pipeline, now I am confused, how to work with system v |
| 16:51.56 | pipeline | tiger: Today, standard Linux systems (things that more or less resemble the LSB) use System V init. |
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| 16:52.22 | pipeline | tiger: SysV-style init has a set of runlevels -- rc1.d, rc2.d, rc3.d and so on. |
| 16:52.34 | pipeline | tiger: There's a directory, /etc/init.d, that contains all of the startup scripts for the system |
| 16:52.57 | btaranto | where can i get some issues to get my login prompt look better? |
| 16:53.08 | pipeline | tiger: You then create softlinks of the form [SK][\d][\d]nameofservice in the rc[\d].d directories to determine when those scripts are started and stopped. |
| 16:53.40 | pipeline | tiger: adding a rc3.d/S00foo softlink, for example, would start up foo FIRST THING when the system entered runlevel 3 |
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| 16:54.02 | pipeline | tiger: adding an rc3.d/K99foo would stop the foo service LAST |
| 16:54.08 | tiger | pipeline, yes, i can see that I have those, the problem is I have made a program in c and I want it now to run at boot time, when I use update-rc it requires init.d script |
| 16:54.10 | pipeline | tiger: There's documentation on this, but that's the general runthrough. |
| 16:54.33 | pipeline | tiger: Yes, so write a script that takes "stop", "start", or "restart" as arguments and put it in /etc/init.d |
| 16:54.45 | morten | i got it fixd, onetinsoldier |
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| 16:55.01 | onetinsoldier | tiger: have a look at the other scripts in init.d as examples |
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| 16:55.08 | pipeline | tiger: The documentation for the sysvinit package has some example scripts that are very simple. |
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| 16:55.14 | pipeline | tiger: tried /usr/share/doc/sysvinit yet? |
| 16:55.18 | onetinsoldier | morten: great :-) |
| 16:55.21 | yassine | hi } |
| 16:55.22 | tiger | pipeline, so it means it is time to learn how to make an init.d script :) |
| 16:55.29 | yassine | hi * |
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| 16:55.39 | morten | onetinsoldier: i don't remember who posted the link, but it came down to the 'mailboxes' setting |
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| 16:55.53 | morten | just setting the poll interval isn't enough. you need to set which mailboxes to poll. |
| 16:55.53 | onetinsoldier | morten: ahh, i see |
| 16:56.18 | tiger | pipeline, thanks for help ... |
| 16:56.39 | onetinsoldier | morten: oh! is this some kind of global muttrc file setting? |
| 16:57.02 | morten | i'm sure you could do it like that, but i did it in ~/.muttrc |
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| 16:57.28 | onetinsoldier | morten: roger |
| 16:57.31 | nse | hello everybody. did you noticed that the font bitstream vera sans became bolder? that's what happened to me. i don't know what to do |
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| 16:57.49 | morten | nse: no. didn't notice. |
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| 16:58.41 | nse | morten: check http://www.portalcab.com/leo/02.htm. this is what happened to me, do you have any idea on what to do to have the older one? |
| 16:58.46 | cahoot | nse: full subpixel-hinting set? |
| 16:58.47 | GeorgeS069 | Fredyy : you still here? |
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| 16:59.09 | gustavoroberto | btaranto, |
| 16:59.30 | nse | cahoot: i've tried everything in the font configuration. all the option, nothing worked. do i have to restart x or something? |
| 17:00.18 | nse | cahoot: no. it's medium now. |
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| 17:00.27 | btaranto | gustavoroberto_ ? |
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| 17:00.58 | morten | nse: no idea, sorry. but that does look kinda gay. i can see why you'd wanna revert. |
| 17:01.27 | cahoot | nse: might try this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/05/msg02199.html |
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| 17:03.14 | sonasks | how do i force users to logout ? |
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| 17:03.32 | E0x | with a gun |
| 17:03.37 | sonasks | :D |
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| 17:03.51 | nse | cahoot: yes. this sounds like my problem |
| 17:04.22 | onetinsoldier | sonasks: good question. i suppose you do a kill -9 on there tty's.. hehe |
| 17:04.28 | sonasks | what do you mean i can`t i`m a root damnit ! |
| 17:04.29 | sonasks | :D |
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| 17:05.50 | beardy | sonasks: What is the problem, what are ypu trying to do? |
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| 17:06.18 | onetinsoldier | beardy: he wants to force user(s) to log out |
| 17:06.22 | beardy | sonasks: Ah, SIGHUP their shells. apt-cache search slay |
| 17:06.26 | beardy | !slay |
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| 17:06.33 | E0x | sonasks: kill the mother process of the user |
| 17:06.52 | E0x | or all process of that user |
| 17:06.56 | sonasks | ok, just killed their tty`s :D |
| 17:07.19 | beardy | sonasks: You can be a bit more nice, and write(1) them to logout. |
| 17:07.33 | beardy | sonasks: or wall(1) perhaps |
| 17:07.40 | onetinsoldier | will the 'wall' command.. correct? |
| 17:08.05 | sonasks | hey.. |
| 17:08.28 | sonasks | i`m on putty now at home, left two logged terminals which were using hdd i want to umount |
| 17:08.34 | sonasks | so i won`t talk to myself :D:D |
| 17:08.41 | E0x | heh |
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| 17:08.50 | beardy | sonasks: SIGHUP then, not KILL |
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| 17:09.02 | E0x | try |
| 17:09.04 | E0x | kill -1 |
| 17:09.07 | sonasks | any of you experienced dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 17:09.07 | E0x | is more nice |
| 17:09.17 | E0x | sonasks: :S HD fuckoff |
| 17:09.29 | sonasks | i have a new ( 2 month old ) hdd |
| 17:09.34 | sonasks | seagate 250 GB |
| 17:09.37 | beardy | sonasks: Backup. |
| 17:09.40 | stew | sonasks: either your hdd cable has gone bad or your drive is going bad |
| 17:09.44 | sonasks | and it throws me that stuff in a afce |
| 17:09.45 | GeorgeS069 | backup quick |
| 17:09.51 | blondie | it's probably broken |
| 17:09.53 | CalvadoS | anyone has expiernce about courier and authvchkpw ? |
| 17:09.56 | sonasks | already backed up, no swet :D |
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| 17:10.11 | wombachi | sonasks: I've seen that with broken DMA support in kernel |
| 17:10.21 | sonasks | but i want to be sure, that`s not a motherboard porblem |
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| 17:10.31 | sonasks | before i send it back to manufacturer |
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| 17:10.43 | sonasks | i`m using kernel 2.6.8 - stock from sarge r2 |
| 17:11.13 | wombachi | sonasks: my problem disappeared after a kernel upgrade. Perhaps try a more recent kernel, esp if your hardware is recent |
| 17:11.24 | sonasks | well.. |
| 17:11.28 | sonasks | it`s celeron 1.8 |
| 17:11.38 | sonasks | if you call it recent then yes it is :D |
| 17:11.44 | rolo | hi, i am trying to install wine 0.9 and its telling me i need the development packages for xlib/xfree86 , do you guys know the name of the packages i need ? |
| 17:11.55 | sonasks | try google |
| 17:12.08 | sonasks | serach for " debian packages xfree86 devel" |
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| 17:12.39 | sonasks | yep it`s 2.6.8 |
| 17:12.51 | dstar | Maulkin: Thanks for the pointer to RDJ and SARE |
| 17:13.04 | wombachi | rolo: apt-cache search xfree|grep dev |
| 17:13.05 | sonasks | is there any more recent PECOMPILED kernel ? |
| 17:13.26 | sonasks | i really too lazy to compile t and wait :D |
| 17:13.29 | GeorgeS069 | sonasks : Do you know the chipset for the motherboard? |
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| 17:13.43 | sonasks | wait |
| 17:14.08 | sonasks | will lspci tell me this ? |
| 17:14.13 | GeorgeS069 | it should |
| 17:14.46 | sonasks | coul it be intel 82845g ? |
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| 17:15.01 | sonasks | ide is on intel 82801 |
| 17:15.19 | GeorgeS069 | just a sec |
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| 17:16.04 | hjubal | hi |
| 17:16.11 | GeorgeS069 | SATA drive? |
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| 17:17.00 | wombachi | sonasks: try more recent kernels. Via backports.org if you're stuck with Sarge. Or upgrade to Testing/Etch |
| 17:17.01 | darkness_ | Hi, i've deleted a user, then later added the same user and all files etc. Now i need to change ownership back to him. I know i can chown user filename. But how do i change all the files under that user in one go please? |
| 17:17.26 | E0x | -R |
| 17:17.27 | GeorgeS069 | darkness_ : chown -R |
| 17:17.36 | GNULinux | Are there issues with Xorg, its using 95% of my cpu and i cant log in anymore |
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| 17:17.51 | zinx | why does nvidia-glx depend on nvidia-kernel? |
| 17:17.55 | GeorgeS069 | the -R is "recursive" |
| 17:17.58 | zinx | as in, requires it |
| 17:18.04 | zinx | the upgrade process is awful |
| 17:18.16 | E0x | zinx: glx are the opengl libs of nvidia |
| 17:18.17 | wombachi | zinx: because it needs to build a kernel module (which taint the kernel btw) |
| 17:18.19 | d0uglas | to get php fired up on apache2, i do an apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5, right? that goes smoothly but php doesn't seem to be humming in apache2... |
| 17:18.20 | E0x | and kernel is the module |
| 17:18.43 | zinx | uninstall nvidia-glx/nvidia-glx-ia32 (because it depends on as specific version of the module you can't install) |
| 17:18.47 | sonasks | no, ata |
| 17:18.48 | zinx | build the kernel module |
| 17:18.50 | sonasks | ata drive |
| 17:18.51 | morten | anyone here proficient with setting up and testing spamassassin? i've got it set up, but when i run it on spam-test.txt i get a way too low score |
| 17:18.52 | sonasks | http://pastebin.ca/60684 |
| 17:18.53 | zinx | reinstall nvidia-glx/nvidia-glx-ia32 |
| 17:18.56 | zinx | it's f'n stupid. |
| 17:19.02 | sonasks | here is what lspci -v tells |
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| 17:19.15 | wombachi | d0uglas: skim through the php manual (install chapter) |
| 17:19.36 | E0x | zinx: debian is opensource you can saw the code and fix it |
| 17:19.39 | GeorgeS069 | sonasks : I'd try a newer kernel like it was suggested...2.6.15 is working great for me from Etch....it's all I could find that would support my ATIIX crap |
| 17:19.41 | E0x | you want |
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| 17:19.46 | wombachi | d0uglas http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.apache2.php |
| 17:19.50 | d0uglas | but i already had it working fine, mysql too, but apache2 was screwed up so i reinstalled it and now i lost php in it |
| 17:19.56 | zinx | E0x: No, I can't. I'm not a debian developer. |
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| 17:20.04 | d0uglas | it may be installed already |
| 17:20.08 | E0x | zinx: yes you can and submit the patch |
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| 17:20.14 | zinx | E0x: I can fix it locally *every upgrade*, which would sort of defeat the purpose of fixing it in the first place |
| 17:20.18 | d0uglas | i'll go read that... |
| 17:20.24 | zinx | E0x: i get the feeling it's a "feature" |
| 17:20.25 | wombachi | d0uglas adjust apache config according to that doc. Not hard |
| 17:20.36 | d0uglas | ok ty |
| 17:20.38 | peppet | d0uglas: have you restart apache? |
| 17:20.46 | d0uglas | peppet: yes |
| 17:20.47 | peppet | *restarted |
| 17:20.56 | wombachi | d0uglas check LoadModule and AddType in Apache config |
| 17:20.57 | Ryushin | I'm just courious, that is the general feeling of ubuntu from the debian developers? Dapper just came out today, and it looks like they are really gunning for the enterprise. I have a lot of servers that are running debian stable, and I have no intention of switching at this point. |
| 17:21.00 | zinx | E0x: I do submit patches, or at least bug reports, when I think it has a chance of being fixed. |
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| 17:21.29 | zinx | E0x: in any case, this would be a simple matter of moving it from Depends to Reccommends |
| 17:21.31 | peppet | d0uglas: check /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
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| 17:21.45 | d0uglas | when i load my site, the browser pops up a window asking how to handle the application/x-httpd-php, that means it's not working, right... |
| 17:21.46 | wombachi | what's the channel name for debian-installer? I think I've found a bug |
| 17:21.47 | d0uglas | Checking |
| 17:21.50 | zinx | E0x: the fact it hasn't been done yet suggests that someone wants it in Depends. |
| 17:22.06 | peppet | d0uglas: restart browser too |
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| 17:22.31 | d0uglas | peppet: i restarted and cleared the browser cache.. in mods-enabled i only see rewrite.load and cgi.load |
| 17:22.35 | d0uglas | that might be a clue |
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| 17:22.58 | peppet | d0uglas: and in mods-available |
| 17:23.00 | peppet | ? |
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| 17:23.23 | visik7 | will woody go to unsupported on 6 June ? |
| 17:23.24 | wombachi | d0uglas: tried dpkg-reconfigure <name of package for apache-php>? |
| 17:23.35 | onetinsoldier | wombachi: i think it might be #debian-boot |
| 17:23.36 | peppet | d0uglas: is there php5.*? |
| 17:23.41 | d0uglas | peppet: nope |
| 17:23.44 | d0uglas | no php anything |
| 17:23.51 | erudified | d0uglas, symlink from mods-disabled to mods-enabled. |
| 17:24.03 | sonasks | on backports to install new kernel i install linux-inage or kernel-image ?? |
| 17:24.05 | onetinsoldier | wombachi: or maybe #d-i |
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| 17:24.08 | d0uglas | wombachi: that only seems to work for apache 1, doing a dpkg-reconfigure on apache2 just brings you back to a prompt |
| 17:24.10 | wombachi | onetinsoldier thanks, I couldnt remember :) |
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| 17:24.24 | onetinsoldier | wombachi: your welcome. i'm not sure though |
| 17:24.37 | d0uglas | erudified: and load everything? that'll slow things down a tad wont it? i cannot afford a tad :) |
| 17:24.46 | wombachi | d0uglas I mean on the libapache-mod-php[45] package |
| 17:24.46 | Sweet_kate | hey guys can i gently suggest me a shoutcast radio winamp-like player? |
| 17:24.54 | d0uglas | oh |
| 17:25.49 | GeorgeS069 | Sweet_kate : try xmms |
| 17:26.43 | d0uglas | wombachi: did it, dpkg-reconfigure libapache2-mod-php5, just brings you down a line |
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| 17:27.07 | cshaman | hello |
| 17:27.54 | GeorgeS069 | hi |
| 17:28.21 | wombachi | d0uglas: perhaps try to reinstall it. The package postinst script should configure apache correctly. |
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| 17:28.32 | sonasks | hey, linux-image or kernel-image ?? |
| 17:28.43 | GeorgeS069 | kernel-image |
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| 17:29.02 | d0uglas | wombachi: ok |
| 17:29.08 | GNULinux | how do i make my system bootable into X session? |
| 17:29.23 | jetscreamer | depends on the version of kernel |
| 17:29.42 | morten | can anyone help me troubleshoot spamassassin? i ran it on sample-spam.txt, but the score is way low. |
| 17:30.29 | sonasks | ok, i`m installing linux-image 2.6.16-1 |
| 17:30.30 | jetscreamer | install an xserver maybe |
| 17:30.30 | peppet | GNULinux: install a display manager (gdm, xdm...) |
| 17:30.33 | sonasks | from backports |
| 17:30.39 | GNULinux | peppet: xdm is isntalled |
| 17:30.52 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure xdm then |
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| 17:31.04 | sonasks | if this won`t help to correct the problem in hdd then i can only send it back |
| 17:31.21 | onetinsoldier | hi. when installing some fonts i get a seemingly benign erroe.... 'opendir: no such file or directory'. just wondiering if it's anything to worry about |
| 17:31.40 | GeorgeS069 | sonasks : have you run smartd on it to see if it's really drive errors? |
| 17:31.43 | jetscreamer | not worry, but did it find your fonts |
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| 17:31.57 | jetscreamer | s/did/will/ |
| 17:31.59 | jazbo2185 | Say I've ssh'd onto a machine and I then want to download a file from that machine. Is there a way I can do it without logging on via sftp on a seperate terminal? |
| 17:32.06 | jetscreamer | scp |
| 17:32.15 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer: ok.. thanks man |
| 17:32.20 | sonasks | my guess is that it`s not a drive error at all |
| 17:32.22 | mc__ | jazbo2185, nc |
| 17:32.27 | sonasks | so first i want to be sure that kernel is ok |
| 17:32.31 | overflow | jazbo2185: wget? |
| 17:32.32 | GeorgeS069 | ok:) |
| 17:32.46 | sonasks | if i update, and the error remains, then i will test it with seatool |
| 17:33.06 | sonasks | if seatool finds anything - cool |
| 17:33.06 | GeorgeS069 | I never could get seatools working:( |
| 17:33.15 | sonasks | oh really ? |
| 17:33.22 | GeorgeS069 | not in linux |
| 17:33.26 | sonasks | ohh |
| 17:33.33 | GeorgeS069 | I said fsck it and installed smartd |
| 17:33.46 | sonasks | when i fsck |
| 17:33.47 | GeorgeS069 | it emails me if there's any drive problems |
| 17:33.51 | jetscreamer | dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } usually means for me that the hd will be dead soon |
| 17:33.54 | sonasks | it spits that error again, the trying to reset |
| 17:33.59 | jetscreamer | but it fu;nctions for a while |
| 17:34.10 | jetscreamer | kinda |
| 17:34.14 | sonasks | and can`t even reset |
| 17:34.20 | sonasks | so i Ctrl+c it |
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| 17:34.29 | sonasks | and i can still mount it anyway |
| 17:34.30 | jetscreamer | send it back imo |
| 17:34.36 | jetscreamer | yeah been there |
| 17:34.43 | GeorgeS069 | same here...sounds like it's dying |
| 17:35.03 | GeorgeS069 | still...it could be the controller going bad too |
| 17:35.04 | dstar | Maulkin: Is there a mirror site RDJ can use? |
| 17:35.08 | sonasks | at least i could mount one more time to copy the backup images and configs for backup server :D |
| 17:35.10 | peppet | sure... it's dying |
| 17:35.24 | jetscreamer | i personally have only had that error when the hd is dying |
| 17:35.25 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 17:35.34 | sonasks | now it can die - i don`t give a damn |
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| 17:36.01 | sonasks | just don`t want to be a jerk sending back good hdd jus cause my kernel is outdated or MB messed up |
| 17:36.02 | jetscreamer | must be a maxtor |
| 17:36.07 | GeorgeS069 | I thought one of my 200gig seagate drives was dead...got new MoBo and the drive is running fine now |
| 17:36.11 | sonasks | no no seagate |
| 17:36.27 | sonasks | yeah it`s seaegaet 250 GB |
| 17:36.29 | sonasks | :D |
| 17:36.30 | blondie | perhaps try a new cable? |
| 17:36.34 | sonasks | did that |
| 17:36.35 | jetscreamer | my 3 yr old bios doesn't support > 160gb |
| 17:36.41 | GeorgeS069 | It's my "hot spare" on my raid5 array |
| 17:37.05 | sonasks | what is interesting - normally this drive is working on duron 900 machine |
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| 17:37.18 | sonasks | and it gets mouted - with errors but it gets mounted |
| 17:37.20 | jetscreamer | so if you put it back are there errors? |
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| 17:37.25 | sonasks | 250 GB drive |
| 17:37.27 | jetscreamer | try low level format |
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| 17:37.40 | sonasks | then i took it to some celeron 1.8 on intel machine |
| 17:37.42 | jetscreamer | will only take 12-24 hours |
| 17:37.44 | sonasks | under debian |
| 17:37.45 | GeorgeS069 | LOL |
| 17:37.55 | sonasks | and gets the errors but i can mount it |
| 17:38.15 | sonasks | on the 900 MHz machine i couldn`t mount it today |
| 17:38.28 | sonasks | ( it`s Fedora 4 on 2.6.9) |
| 17:38.38 | jetscreamer | the seek thing is intermittent error, usually for me when accessing the same disk area |
| 17:38.40 | jcdubacq | where are the user crontabs stored? |
| 17:38.47 | GeorgeS069 | try the kernel upgrade...then you'll know it's not software related |
| 17:38.47 | jetscreamer | and it just gets more frequent |
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| 17:39.19 | jetscreamer | cooling the drive helps, also unplugging it for a while. at least this has been my exp. |
| 17:39.31 | GNULinux | I got KDM installed, but default manager is still XDM, and if i want to remove xdm it wants also x-window-system to be removed... |
| 17:39.37 | sonasks | did all that ;D |
| 17:39.41 | GeorgeS069 | yeah...hd+heat=bad things |
| 17:39.47 | jetscreamer | GNULinux: yes |
| 17:39.51 | gozz | in xchat when accepting a dcc where does it go by default cause im a dumbass and i cat find it? |
| 17:40.02 | GNULinux | jetscreamer: then my X-org will fail to work |
| 17:40.07 | sonasks | ok, here it goes - rebooting to new kernel |
| 17:40.13 | sonasks | by ssh :D |
| 17:40.13 | jetscreamer | GNULinux: that's only a metapackage it wants to remove. either remove it, or just dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 17:40.15 | GeorgeS069 | good luck |
| 17:40.43 | jetscreamer | GNULinux: no it will still work if you remove the metapackage, it's just to drqaw other packages in |
| 17:40.43 | peppet | jcdubacq: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 17:40.45 | GeorgeS069 | gozz : try /home/user/Downloads |
| 17:41.02 | jetscreamer | GNULinux: you can have xdm/gdm/kdm all installed at same time np |
| 17:41.03 | gozz | nope |
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| 17:41.24 | GeorgeS069 | gozz : try /home/user/Documents ??? |
| 17:41.27 | sonasks | oh, that sucks - didn`t add a link in /boot/menu.lst |
| 17:41.28 | jetscreamer | GNULinux: so it's just about what you want. dpkg-reconfigure kdm will get you going |
| 17:42.17 | gozz | only dir there is desktop |
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| 17:42.52 | darkness_ | Anyhow tks whoever helped me with the ownership flag. |
| 17:42.55 | GeorgeS069 | gozz : I dunno did you try updatedb and then locate filename ? |
| 17:43.04 | jetscreamer | grub-update and it will iirc sonasks |
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| 17:43.15 | jetscreamer | or update-grub i think |
| 17:43.16 | GeorgeS069 | and it may be in Desktop too |
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| 17:43.29 | onetinsoldier | GNULinux: have you got it fixed ok yet? |
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| 17:43.48 | jetscreamer | <-- GNULinux has quit (Client Quit) |
| 17:43.54 | onetinsoldier | oh |
| 17:43.55 | jcdubacq | ah... the infamous /var/spool |
| 17:43.59 | jcdubacq | thank you |
| 17:44.17 | hellfire | Hi! Is it possible to find out with what options a kernel module has been loaded? |
| 17:44.31 | GeorgeS069 | hellfire : try lsmod |
| 17:44.55 | sonasks | ok, it`s going down :D |
| 17:45.02 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 17:45.17 | jetscreamer | just lsmod doesn't report for me the options i know are loaded with nvidia module |
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| 17:45.29 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer: i tell my system which display manager to use by editing /etc/X11/default-display-manager :-) |
| 17:45.35 | gozz | xchat says that downloads should go to /home/user/.xchat2/downloads but i cant even find that dir unless the .xchat2 dir is hidden if so how can i view hidden files? |
| 17:45.50 | GeorgeS069 | it is hidden |
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| 17:46.03 | hellfire | @george: as much as i know lsmod only shows that the modules are loaded, but not with what options. |
| 17:46.18 | onetinsoldier | gozz: ls -a ..? |
| 17:46.19 | hellfire | @gozz: ls -la |
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| 17:46.38 | hellfire | jetscreamer: yes. |
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| 17:46.52 | jetscreamer | onetinsoldier: me too, i have aliases to cp the files, and i have /etc/X11/default-display-manager.xdm (.gdm .kdm) to cp at will. so i type ysgdm or yskdm and wah-lah! i also have nodm aliased :) |
| 17:46.56 | sonasks | hehehe success |
| 17:47.05 | sonasks | lets check for drive now |
| 17:47.11 | onetinsoldier | jetcreamer: ahh! nice |
| 17:47.13 | gozz | got it thanks i wonder why the would be hidden |
| 17:47.30 | onetinsoldier | oops... |
| 17:47.40 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer! |
| 17:47.45 | onetinsoldier | lol |
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| 17:48.49 | sonasks | maybe it`s stupid, but how do i set terminal translation o putty to get keys like HOME working ? |
| 17:49.03 | sonasks | when i press home, it`s giving ma e ~ |
| 17:49.20 | sonasks | not taking me to back of the line |
| 17:49.35 | GeorgeS069 | no idea |
| 17:49.42 | GeorgeS069 | how's the drive? |
| 17:50.25 | sonasks | well |
| 17:50.31 | sonasks | mounted without error |
| 17:50.36 | sonasks | fsck-ing it now |
| 17:50.49 | sonasks | looks cool |
| 17:50.52 | sonasks | will see |
| 17:51.07 | GeorgeS069 | awesome...I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya |
| 17:51.11 | sonasks | if it helps, i will have to update fedora, |
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| 17:51.38 | sonasks | and i have no idea, if i update w kernel - the mysql should start fine, right ? |
| 17:51.54 | sonasks | it can only influence such a things like drivers ? |
| 17:51.55 | gnychis | i rebooted my machine, and grub no longer loads, i get a black screen and see "GRUB" ... thats it, nothing more ... and if i type nothing happens |
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| 17:52.24 | GeorgeS069 | sonasks : I'm not too sure about that |
| 17:52.33 | sonasks | me too .. |
| 17:52.46 | GeorgeS069 | I don't see why it wouldn't start |
| 17:53.03 | n2iko | I just installed etch. I see it tried to talk to my dell axim vian the usb interface using the ipaq driver, where can I look to find more info to see if I can get it to at least mount the sd/cf cards? |
| 17:53.10 | GeorgeS069 | worst case I can think of is you may have to update mysql also |
| 17:53.23 | sonasks | yeah |
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| 17:53.33 | sonasks | that`s disturbing also |
| 17:53.35 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 17:53.36 | dpkg | methinks tetrinet is multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
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| 17:53.44 | sonasks | i rather update the database by hand myself |
| 17:54.41 | GeorgeS069 | make a backup |
| 17:55.07 | sonasks | i`m making a abckup everyday :D |
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| 17:57.23 | d0uglas | Well I got php5 running on apache2, thanks for the help.. i just can't get mysql connected to php. Did install php5-mysql. |
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| 17:58.03 | d0uglas | when i fire up one php page, this is what i get: Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL which is required for WordPress. |
| 17:58.52 | zinx | d0uglas: you need php?-mysql (where ? is 4 or 5, depending on what you've got installed) |
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| 17:59.09 | d0uglas | zinx: i installed it, no go. |
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| 18:00.43 | d0uglas | zinx: should i try reinstalling mysql? would that endanger my databases? |
| 18:00.59 | zinx | i don't suspect that reinstalling is going to help anything |
| 18:01.07 | zinx | you may try restarting apache2, though |
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| 18:01.13 | d0uglas | well the box is co-lo'ed so i can't smack it |
| 18:01.27 | d0uglas | tried that, no luck.. rebooted even |
| 18:01.27 | signius | Hi Guys a feel like a complete numb nut but i cant login to a debian box on my LAN because i appear to have forgotton the password i can login as root but i dont know how to reset the password |
| 18:01.34 | hellfire | test |
| 18:01.48 | signius | Would anyone be kind enough to enlighten me ? |
| 18:01.51 | d0uglas | Wait, it works! |
| 18:01.54 | d0uglas | tried the restart again |
| 18:01.59 | d0uglas | THANK you zinx |
| 18:02.48 | GeorgeS069 | signius : su user and then passwd |
| 18:02.49 | onetinsoldier | signius: perhaps passwd <user> ....? |
| 18:03.08 | GeorgeS069 | oops...yeah...what onetinsoldier |
| 18:03.10 | GeorgeS069 | said |
| 18:03.29 | signius | Thank you |
| 18:03.31 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
| 18:03.50 | signius | i knew i was being dumb but googling was just throwing up sites about recovering root passwords |
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| 18:04.13 | onetinsoldier | well, glad i could help |
| 18:04.35 | signius | very odd tho it was refusing any of the ussual passwords i normally use |
| 18:04.46 | sonasks | HEYYY, kernel update workde like charm |
| 18:04.50 | abrotman | publicly routable system ? |
| 18:04.52 | GeorgeS069 | kool! |
| 18:04.56 | sonasks | yeah |
| 18:05.03 | signius | unless in a moment of enlightned security i decided to use something different when i set up that user |
| 18:05.19 | sonasks | more work for me, instead shipping it back - now i have to update my dayabase, kernel, and whole serve system - grrr :D |
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| 18:05.54 | sonasks | but really i`m very glad it worked |
| 18:05.54 | GeorgeS069 | don't panic yet sonasks...try it with the new kernel |
| 18:06.14 | tarzeau | how can i check make an if check result of some shell command in a makefile? |
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| 18:06.21 | sonasks | i will just go wild on fedora - " yum update" |
| 18:06.30 | sonasks | and yes on everyting |
| 18:06.42 | sonasks | i have a working backup hd - i son`t care :D |
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| 18:07.09 | GeorgeS069 | lol...he's so happy he saved the drive he can't even type:) |
| 18:07.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: huh ? |
| 18:07.19 | signius | Now just to try and work out why PureFTP isnt allowing any connections and is terminating connections when i try and log intot he ftp server |
| 18:07.22 | sonasks | hehehe |
| 18:07.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: i must give a parameter for archs non i386 for building (debian/rules) |
| 18:07.44 | GeorgeS069 | saving 250gigs is a big deal:) |
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| 18:08.53 | GeorgeS069 | I'm gonna pack up and head over my girlfriends...I'll see you guys later |
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| 18:09.10 | sonasks | yeah, my two week backup pool form master sevre |
| 18:09.12 | sonasks | server |
| 18:09.14 | d0uglas | girlfriend, what's that |
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| 18:09.28 | tarzeau | !girlfriend |
| 18:09.36 | hellfire | abrotman: do you know how i can find out with what options a kernel module has been loaded, or where i could read to find that out? |
| 18:09.49 | onetinsoldier | guess dpkg doesn't know either eh? |
| 18:09.56 | hellfire | !module |
| 18:09.59 | rolo | quit |
| 18:10.01 | rolo | \quit |
| 18:10.02 | sonasks | hmm i ahve only 2.6.12 available for fc |
| 18:10.09 | onetinsoldier | !gf |
| 18:10.09 | dpkg | i heard gf is Girl Friend, or French Guiana |
| 18:10.16 | hellfire | rolo lol |
| 18:10.16 | d0uglas | heh |
| 18:10.20 | sonasks | weell will update it tomorrow - will see what happens |
| 18:10.22 | sonasks | alright guys |
| 18:10.29 | sonasks | thanks a lot for all your help |
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| 18:10.34 | sonasks | night |
| 18:10.36 | a1fa | guys |
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| 18:10.55 | a1fa | binary-sparc64 is missing from http.us.debian.org/testing reposatory |
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| 18:11.25 | a1fa | binary-sparc is missing from http.us.debian.org/testing reposatory |
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| 18:12.50 | signius | Ah i think it must be my router thats refusing the connections as i can log intot he FTP server internally via the LAN |
| 18:13.13 | signius | At least resetting the user password has narrowed downt he issues and pointing me in the correct dirrection now |
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| 18:14.59 | a1fa | binary-sparc is missing from http.us.debian.org/testing reposatory |
| 18:15.06 | a1fa | anybody know what is going on |
| 18:15.09 | a1fa | it was there yesterday |
| 18:15.16 | a1fa | now everything is missing except amd64 and i386 |
| 18:15.33 | zinx | http.us.debian.org is a round-robin |
| 18:15.44 | zinx | you get different hosts when you look it up |
| 18:16.08 | a1fa | ok, so? use us.debian.org? |
| 18:16.18 | zinx | use a specific mirror that you know works |
| 18:16.32 | a1fa | lol |
| 18:16.34 | a1fa | ;( |
| 18:16.37 | a1fa | that sucks |
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| 18:17.14 | zinx | a1fa: http://debian.org/mirror/list |
| 18:18.36 | a1fa | cool |
| 18:18.41 | a1fa | it kind of freaked me out |
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| 18:19.42 | chealer | !woody |
| 18:19.42 | dpkg | from memory, woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
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| 18:21.18 | chealer | dpkg: no, woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 will be terminated on 2006-06-30 |
| 18:21.18 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
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| 18:26.09 | jolly_ | is it possbile to get a "adduser" program like "superadduser" on gentoo? |
| 18:26.15 | friedl | hi how do you install atmelwlandriver. could anyone guide me through it? |
| 18:26.32 | beardy | jolly_: and what does that doo, and why do you want it? |
| 18:26.33 | azeem | jolly_: what does superadduser do? |
| 18:26.54 | jolly_ | guide me trough adding a user |
| 18:26.55 | jolly_ | :) |
| 18:27.06 | azeem | jolly_: what's wrong with adduser? |
| 18:27.07 | beardy | jolly_: 'man adduser' does that. |
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| 18:27.26 | beardy | !tell jolly_ -about reference |
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| 18:27.30 | jolly_ | it doesnt work for me when i type "adduser" i dont get any questions |
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| 18:27.39 | beardy | jolly_: Read the manual. |
| 18:28.03 | jolly_ | ok |
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| 18:28.33 | beardy | jolly_: Basically it's not harder than, 'adduser username'. |
| 18:28.41 | jolly_ | i see |
| 18:28.42 | jolly_ | :) |
| 18:28.44 | poison | Hi all, in runlevel 2, where exactly does the network start? is this in S20 or later? |
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| 18:29.03 | beardy | poison: Why do you care about runlevels? |
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| 18:29.38 | poison | I have to modify the /etc/network/interfaces script before the network is put online when booting in 2.6 kernel |
| 18:29.55 | poison | so I have to know which level I have to give my network-fix script |
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| 18:30.10 | poison | it would make no sence modifying the interfaces file after the network is online :) |
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| 18:30.31 | beardy | poison: Sure it would. Just restart it afterwards, the network, not the box. |
| 18:30.45 | beardy | poison: '/etc/init.d/networking restart' |
| 18:30.58 | poison | but the modifications I made just swap eth0 and eth1 |
| 18:31.11 | poison | the stupid driver of 2.6 swaps the network interfaces |
| 18:31.17 | poison | so would that work? |
| 18:31.45 | beardy | poison: Have you tried rebooting the machine after your switching of the interface names? |
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| 18:32.22 | beardy | janez: /join #ubuntu |
| 18:32.23 | poison | yeah on 2.4 my uplink is eth0 and on 2.6 it becomes eth1 and visa versa |
| 18:32.40 | beardy | poison: Strange, but why does it matter that much? |
| 18:32.45 | janez | beardy, ?? |
| 18:32.59 | poison | because my eth0 is connected to my uplink switch and eth1 to my lan switch |
| 18:33.05 | poison | so the machine is unreachable in 2.6 mode |
| 18:33.18 | poison | because it want to go to the uplink on the lan switch etc |
| 18:33.20 | abrotman | poison: man interfaces .. see pre-up |
| 18:33.21 | sjm_ | Poison: Why don't you add the hardware address into the config. That should force it to define correctly. |
| 18:33.48 | poison | ok let me check this |
| 18:34.06 | etatoby | does anybody here use gdesklets? I don't understand how to use it, I suspect something to be broken |
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| 18:35.56 | sjm_ | Hi, all. I'm trying a netinstall, but it doesn't recognize the network and the machine doesn't have a floppy. Any ideas? |
| 18:35.57 | Fredyy | does anybody know a problem about the "SiS 748" Chipset? I cna't install my debian. I always get "lost interrupt" errors. But Gentoo was working fine with the same hardware. |
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| 18:37.29 | etatoby | sjm_: does your netinstall have a linux26 option? if so try it |
| 18:37.32 | poison | abrotman: if I perform some commands with the pre-up command, will the /etc/network/interface file be reloaded after that command? |
| 18:37.36 | abrotman | WHAT!? |
| 18:37.37 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:37.53 | abrotman | poison: the pre-up will be done before the interface is brought up |
| 18:38.13 | sjm_ | that's what I was trying. from the info I've found, it needs a newer e1000 driver than is in the netinstall iso that I have |
| 18:38.24 | abrotman | !tell sjm_ about sarge uni |
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| 18:38.46 | poison | abrotman: yes, indeed, but if I make changes in the pre-up command will the modifications be done to the process that is putting the interfaces online? or will it continue with the current version of the interfaces file? |
| 18:38.52 | Solosoft | okay ... I installed a SCSI hdd how to I find out which device it is ? |
| 18:39.02 | abrotman | poison: you're editing the interfaces file on the fly? |
| 18:39.07 | abrotman | Solosoft: dmesg |
| 18:39.08 | poison | abrotman: yes |
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| 18:39.18 | abrotman | poison: are you insane? |
| 18:39.25 | etatoby | Solosoft: or apt-get install scsiadd |
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| 18:39.32 | Solosoft | ooo |
| 18:39.32 | poison | abrotman: just swapping eth0 and et1 |
| 18:39.40 | abrotman | why? |
| 18:39.41 | poison | abrotman: according to the kernel version |
| 18:39.41 | abrotman | use ifname |
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| 18:39.54 | abrotman | or use modules rules to get them to load in the order you want |
| 18:40.04 | abrotman | yeesh .. kids these days ... crazy |
| 18:40.47 | poison | abrotman: ifname can swap network interfaces? |
| 18:40.58 | abrotman | you can read the man page and find out! |
| 18:41.07 | abrotman | i personally prefer the modules method .. but whatever |
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| 18:41.39 | poison | ok thanks I'll check it out |
| 18:41.45 | poison | thanks a lot for the advise! |
| 18:41.49 | abrotman | advice |
| 18:42.04 | poison | yeah, exactly :) |
| 18:42.07 | abrotman | poison: it's called 'ifrename' |
| 18:42.17 | poison | ah ok |
| 18:42.32 | MaRX-Mode | vmware in debian, when it asks the C headers files for my kernel |
| 18:42.34 | abrotman | !info ifrename |
| 18:42.37 | MaRX-Mode | where I found them? |
| 18:42.46 | abrotman | !b-e MaRX-Mode |
| 18:42.47 | dpkg | MaRX-Mode: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 18:42.56 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: kernel-headers-`uname -r` or linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 18:43.02 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: apt-get install that |
| 18:43.11 | abrotman | it's asking for C headers? |
| 18:43.20 | MaRX-Mode | jea |
| 18:43.23 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: then tell it to use /usr/src/[kernel|linux]-headers-`uname -r` |
| 18:43.26 | js_ | how can i turn off the console screensaver thingy? |
| 18:43.32 | js_ | that blanks the screen |
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| 18:43.38 | MaRX-Mode | jea, I have told that |
| 18:43.52 | MaRX-Mode | it is 2.6.16-2-686-smp |
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| 18:44.27 | MaRX-Mode | after that it complains that kernel header files does not have the same address space size as my running kernel has |
| 18:44.37 | Solosoft | okay ... well that scsi add thing shows me some numbers ? but what does this have to do with mounting that drive and making a file system out of it |
| 18:44.44 | Solosoft | I need the /dev location of that drive |
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| 18:45.22 | etatoby | js_: man console_codes, near the bottom |
| 18:45.30 | js_ | cool. thanks |
| 18:45.33 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: so install linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686-smp and tell vmware to use /usr/src/inux-headers/2.6.16-2-686-smp/include |
| 18:45.33 | etatoby | js_: but there could be a more 'debian' way |
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| 18:46.03 | LSorensen | er /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686-smp/include |
| 18:46.14 | MaRX-Mode | btw, linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686-smp package doesn't exist at all.. |
| 18:46.22 | g3brown | Was going to build a new Debian server for small office. I'm looking for an available motherboard that Debian would support out of the box. Intel or Asus with SATA support. Anyone? |
| 18:46.36 | LSorensen | Solosoft: usually /dev/sdXY where X is a letter and Y is the partition number |
| 18:46.45 | LSorensen | Solosoft: if sd_mod is loaded |
| 18:47.04 | MaRX-Mode | I'll check those out, |
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| 18:47.10 | LSorensen | g3brown: sata can be tricky. The sata was pretty new when sarge was released. |
| 18:47.28 | LSorensen | g3brown: with etch on the other hand just about any intel/via/nvidia based board should work. |
| 18:47.53 | g3brown | LSorensen: I leaning towards stablity |
| 18:48.02 | LSorensen | g3brown: after all sarge was released a year ago, and the kernel wasn't new then, so any hardware newer than 1.5 years is potentially a pain |
| 18:48.07 | MaRX-Mode | LSorensen: even if I tell that C headers found in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686-smp/include |
| 18:48.11 | MaRX-Mode | it doesn't work P( |
| 18:48.12 | MaRX-Mode | =( |
| 18:48.21 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: well what does it do? |
| 18:48.24 | g3brown | LSorensen: I usually use the 2.6 kernel with Sarge. |
| 18:48.28 | MaRX-Mode | The kernel defined by this directory of header files does not have the same |
| 18:48.29 | MaRX-Mode | address space size as your running kernel. |
| 18:48.32 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: can you dump what it prints to #flood? |
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| 18:48.48 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: you are using a debian provided kernel? |
| 18:48.52 | MaRX-Mode | yea |
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| 18:48.55 | g3brown | LSorensen: I don't mind using older stuff, it is just hard to buy. |
| 18:49.02 | LSorensen | g3brown: exactly. |
| 18:49.08 | MaRX-Mode | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:49.23 | MaRX-Mode | linux-image-2.6.16-2-smp you see |
| 18:49.32 | LSorensen | g3brown: I have had no problems with an Asus A8V-Deluxe, Asus A7N8X-E-Deluxe, and Asus P4P800. |
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| 18:49.45 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: do you have the latest vmware-update-any-any installed? |
| 18:49.48 | g3brown | LSorensen: supports the SATA? |
| 18:49.51 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: I think newer kernels might need that |
| 18:49.57 | MaRX-Mode | aa |
| 18:49.57 | LSorensen | g3brown: I only use sata harddisks. |
| 18:50.03 | MaRX-Mode | damn, I forgotted that :D |
| 18:50.07 | Solosoft | what's the partitioning utility for debian ... it's like dfdisk or somthing silly ? |
| 18:50.08 | etatoby | how do I submit a comment to an existing Debian bug? |
| 18:50.17 | etatoby | Solosoft: I like cfdisk |
| 18:50.17 | LSorensen | g3brown: the promise sata controller on the A8V required 2.6.11+, but the via SATA on the board worked with 2.6.8 |
| 18:50.19 | MaRX-Mode | i played with anyany update with gentoo amd64, but in debian ? |
| 18:50.24 | Solosoft | etatoby: thanks <3 |
| 18:50.24 | onetinsoldier | js_: you still here? |
| 18:50.30 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: needed for amd64 for sure |
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| 18:50.34 | MaRX-Mode | sure |
| 18:50.35 | js_ | onetinsoldier: uhm, yes |
| 18:50.43 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: might explain the message |
| 18:50.45 | MaRX-Mode | but this is smp prosessor intel pIII |
| 18:50.58 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: hmm, might still be needed for new 2.6 kernels. |
| 18:51.00 | MaRX-Mode | in that computer ues |
| 18:51.02 | onetinsoldier | js_: i think the command you're looking for is... setterm -blank 0 |
| 18:51.11 | onetinsoldier | js_: man setterm |
| 18:51.12 | etatoby | how do I submit a comment to an existing Debian bug? |
| 18:51.19 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: can't hurt to try the update patches |
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| 18:51.40 | js_ | onetinsoldier: ahh, thats it, thanks |
| 18:51.44 | LSorensen | g3brown: I think the A8V-E had some issues with the ethernet port in 2.6.8, but later kernels were ok |
| 18:51.44 | MaRX-Mode | LSorensen: should I try that anyany update? |
| 18:51.47 | onetinsoldier | js_: sure... yw |
| 18:51.48 | lord_rob | Hi ! How can I see the FPS with the new glxgears in xorg 7 ? |
| 18:51.49 | LSorensen | g3brown: the A8V was fine |
| 18:51.54 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: I would. |
| 18:52.08 | g3brown | LSorensen: What about the P4P800 ? |
| 18:52.09 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: you can see if the readme for the updates mention kernel versions fixes |
| 18:52.17 | goldfinger | is xgl going to be added in sid ? (how much time has it been asked ? :)) |
| 18:52.20 | LSorensen | g3brown: the intel ICH5R sata works fine with 2.6.8 |
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| 18:52.34 | LSorensen | g3brown: when the bios is set to native mode. in combined mode it breaks |
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| 18:52.41 | LSorensen | g3brown: which is ok. native mode is better |
| 18:52.47 | MaRX-Mode | LSorensen: maybe I just download and thest with that patch |
| 18:52.58 | LSorensen | MaRX-Mode: it will probably fix it. |
| 18:53.05 | lord_rob | goldfinger: when xorg 7.1 enters sid or am I wrong ? |
| 18:53.14 | gpm | howdy folks. i'm trying to run a jar with the new sun java jre packages, and i get, amongst other errors, java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-pi-gtk-3231...any clues? the jar is juploadr (juploadr.sf.net). |
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| 18:53.46 | LSorensen | gpm: what method did you use to install jre? |
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| 18:53.59 | goldfinger | lord_rob xgl is not included in xorg7.1 (or am I wrong ?) |
| 18:54.00 | gpm | LSorensen: apt-get...i'm on sid. |
| 18:54.08 | LSorensen | gpm: oh right they added it recently. |
| 18:54.18 | nukeu666 | if there is a wget dld going on...any way to send it to background without stopping it? |
| 18:54.32 | gpm | LSorensen: yeah, sun-java5-jre |
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| 18:54.51 | lord_rob | goldfinger: aiglx |
| 18:54.51 | WorldBFree | how do i do a dist-upgrade? |
| 18:55.00 | gpm | WorldBFree: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:55.03 | LSorensen | WorldBFree: apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 18:55.03 | beardy | !iyhtays |
| 18:55.03 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 18:55.08 | gpm | haha |
| 18:55.10 | goldfinger | lord_rob I was asking for XGL |
| 18:55.18 | gpm | that's got to be the worst acronym ever |
| 18:55.23 | beardy | No. |
| 18:55.29 | LSorensen | gpm: PCMCIA |
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| 18:55.40 | gpm | LSorensen: werd. my bad, you're right. |
| 18:55.55 | LSorensen | gpm: it took them about a decade to decide to rename it PCCARD |
| 18:56.12 | Ronin | LSorensen: im imressed they did it so fast |
| 18:56.13 | LSorensen | gpm: although technically I think PCCARD refers to cardbus compatible pcmcia cards |
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| 18:56.28 | kelt | hi, when I login to gdm (gnome) it displays a blank gray screen... without the tool bar and I can't right click or do anything does anyone know why it would do this? |
| 18:56.38 | LSorensen | so I guess pccard is actually short for PCmcia with CARDbus |
| 18:57.03 | beardy | kelt: Did you select the window manager you wanted to use? |
| 18:57.04 | LSorensen | kelt: no window manager? |
| 18:57.05 | kelt | I checked the X11 logs and everything seems to be in order, and I did a dpkg --status for xfonts and stuff |
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| 18:57.18 | LSorensen | kelt: sounds liek what X does by default when nothing is running |
| 18:57.30 | kelt | beardy: what is the apt name for gnome window manager? |
| 18:57.31 | LSorensen | kelt: control+alt+backspace will exit though |
| 18:57.42 | LSorensen | kelt: metacity. gnome session might be handy too |
| 18:57.52 | kelt | oh... hahahaha wow |
| 18:57.54 | kelt | I feel dumb :) |
| 18:57.57 | beardy | kelt: Is the pointer an X, what happens if you click and hold the left button? |
| 18:58.07 | kelt | yeah, I guess I didn't install a window manager :) |
| 18:58.07 | beardy | !install gnome |
| 18:58.08 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 18:58.11 | kelt | hahaha... |
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| 18:58.35 | beardy | !window manager |
| 18:58.41 | dpkg | i heard window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoon, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 18:58.44 | kelt | thanks |
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| 18:59.17 | g3brown | LSorensen: P4P800 SE - ICH5R (so that should be okay in native) and Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit (What about this) |
| 18:59.18 | kelt | hmm, I never heard of openbox or enlightenment lol... |
| 18:59.20 | onetinsoldier | i like enlightenment, xfce4, and wmaker! |
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| 18:59.44 | etatoby | evilwm 4 lyfe! down with the bloat |
| 18:59.58 | formorer | ion3 |
| 19:00.04 | etatoby | that's good too |
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| 19:00.37 | phaedrus_ | can shockwave player be installed in firefox on debian? |
| 19:00.44 | abrotman | you mean flash ? |
| 19:00.54 | phaedrus_ | i have flash player installed |
| 19:01.04 | abrotman | i don't think shockwave has a linux binary |
| 19:01.04 | phaedrus_ | but shockwave player no dice |
| 19:01.13 | formorer | abrotman: they have one |
| 19:01.17 | formorer | abrotman: for ia32 |
| 19:01.24 | abrotman | bastards! |
| 19:01.32 | phaedrus_ | i tried this and flash works but not shockwave |
| 19:01.35 | phaedrus_ | http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ |
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| 19:01.49 | LSorensen | g3brown: yeah the marvell should work. it does on most asus boards I have seen. a few boards need a new kernel to run the marvell, but I think that one should be fine |
| 19:01.53 | formorer | ah shockwave... |
| 19:02.04 | formorer | I'm not familiar with this non-free stuff... |
| 19:02.04 | LSorensen | g3brown: the ICH5R works when the bios has Sata set to native mode |
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| 19:02.11 | LSorensen | g3brown: and no raid mode of course |
| 19:02.14 | formorer | but I heard shockwave works with wine |
| 19:02.16 | lws | why does samba on sarge have a hidden Backup share? |
| 19:02.26 | LSorensen | g3brown: not that I would buy another p4 |
| 19:02.27 | g3brown | LSorensen: Just need 2 SATA HD and 1 ATA DVDROM |
| 19:02.30 | phaedrus_ | oh...wine |
| 19:02.37 | LSorensen | g3brown: it should do that. |
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| 19:03.06 | g3brown | LSorensen: I was buying all AMD stuff for a while, but I've always used Intel with Debian. |
| 19:03.09 | LSorensen | g3brown: my home machine is just an athlon with the a7n8x-e-dx board which has a sil3112a sata controller. |
| 19:03.25 | LSorensen | g3brown: I refuse to buy P4s for myself. crap design that is fortunately now being replaced. |
| 19:03.46 | LSorensen | g3brown: the only p4 I have to deal with is a server at work, which is the p4p800 one |
| 19:03.47 | g3brown | LSorensen: I just looking for stability. You think AMD and the chipset better? |
| 19:04.01 | g3brown | LSorensen: stability wise that is. |
| 19:04.02 | LSorensen | g3brown: I don't like the amount of heat the p4 puts out. |
| 19:04.14 | g3brown | LSorensen: Yeah, P4 put out some heat |
| 19:04.17 | LSorensen | g3brown: the most stable machine I have used is the athlon 64 3500 on the a8v-deluxe board |
| 19:04.18 | kreg_dcdi | got a quirk. /var/log/messages is saying on my mail server that a user is trying to POP in but fails to auth. the attempt is every 1 minute. |
| 19:04.28 | kreg_dcdi | i don't recognize the user, and so far no harm has come but.... |
| 19:04.32 | LSorensen | g3brown: amazingly nice. can't get the board anymore though |
| 19:04.45 | kreg_dcdi | i'd like to just block the user at the firewall as this has been happening the past month |
| 19:04.51 | jhenn | are the torrents working? |
| 19:04.56 | jhenn | for testing |
| 19:05.00 | LSorensen | g3brown: lots of people run nvidia boards though and they work fine, although I think you need a newer kernel than sarge has to use the new boards |
| 19:05.15 | kreg_dcdi | since POP is plain text, can tcpdump help me determin the IP address the auth attempt is coming from? |
| 19:05.21 | phaedrus_ | forget shockwave....im gonna go try installing counter-strike |
| 19:05.24 | phaedrus_ | heh |
| 19:05.25 | LSorensen | g3brown: as long as you avoid ati and sis, amd boards should be fine stability wise, but kernel support can be a problem |
| 19:05.31 | LSorensen | g3brown: in sarge that is |
| 19:05.46 | LSorensen | g3brown: personally I run 2.6.16 from backports.org with sarge on all my machines |
| 19:05.48 | WorldBFree | is it possible to install cs on debian? |
| 19:05.49 | kelt | when I do apt-get install gnome-core, it stops me because gnome-core depends on yelp. is there a way to make it auto intall all the unmet dependencies? |
| 19:05.55 | LSorensen | WorldBFree: define cs |
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| 19:06.01 | kelt | so I don't have to go apt-get all the dependencies |
| 19:06.05 | LSorensen | kelt: apt-get install -f |
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| 19:06.24 | WorldBFree | lsorensen: counter strike. i saw a dude say he was going to install it |
| 19:06.37 | LSorensen | WorldBFree: isn't that only the server that runs on linux? |
| 19:06.45 | kelt | yeah that's what I thought LSorensen but it doesn't work |
| 19:06.56 | kelt | it says E: Broken packages |
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| 19:07.14 | zenwryly | My laptop has a clock that is *really* fast. It seems like it can get ahead by as much as 30 minutes over 24 hours |
| 19:07.30 | zenwryly | is there a way to tweak the internal clock to be slower? |
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| 19:07.39 | WorldBFree | lsorensen: thats what i thought, perhaps that was what that guy was talking about |
| 19:07.46 | LSorensen | WorldBFree: most likely |
| 19:07.59 | LSorensen | zenwryly: what chipset and which kernel version? |
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| 19:08.17 | zenwryly | LSorensen: Intel, 2.6 |
| 19:08.23 | zenwryly | LSorensen: Intel Centrino |
| 19:08.31 | LSorensen | kelt: well maybe the archive you are pointing at is in the middle of an update |
| 19:08.53 | LSorensen | zenwryly: hmm, that's odd. never heard of an intel with an unstable clock. nvidia and ati have had problems with some kernel versions |
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| 19:09.23 | LSorensen | zenwryly: my nvidia ran about 10% fast with most 2.6 kernels, until 2.6.15 fixed it. many atis ran double speed time until that one too |
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| 19:10.02 | zenwryly | LSorensen: hmm, odd indeed. If I remember correctly, it was fast under other OSes too |
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| 19:10.30 | xmb | 300 public scripts @ http://xmb.ath.cx/code/?C=M;O=D |
| 19:10.35 | abrotman | spammer! |
| 19:10.40 | xmb | i know |
| 19:10.41 | abrotman | LSorensen: kill! |
| 19:10.49 | LSorensen | abrotman: kill what? |
| 19:10.50 | xmb | just bored ad |
| 19:10.53 | abrotman | the spammer? |
| 19:10.59 | LSorensen | abrotman: what spammer? |
| 19:11.02 | abrotman | xmb? |
| 19:11.08 | xmb | hehe, thanks :)) |
| 19:11.17 | kelt | LSorensen: does it matter that yelp has unmet dependencies? |
| 19:11.26 | kelt | gnome-doc-utils |
| 19:11.27 | LSorensen | kelt: probably. |
| 19:11.35 | LSorensen | kelt: is this etch or sid? |
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| 19:11.39 | abrotman | maybe LSorensen already has xmb on ignore .. oh well |
| 19:11.47 | kelt | lol... okay... I just thought there was a recursive way to download all dependencies |
| 19:11.50 | kelt | etch |
| 19:11.55 | LSorensen | abrotman: no, just in my brain apparently |
| 19:11.55 | xmb | maybe third person speech isnt so well nice |
| 19:12.12 | LSorensen | abrotman: besides what can I do about it? |
| 19:12.16 | xmb | gg, you know me? |
| 19:12.20 | kelt | like A depends on B and B depends on C so when you do apt-get install A it goes ahead and updates C and B for you |
| 19:12.29 | abrotman | LSorensen: yeah .. i remember .. you're not an op or ircop :) |
| 19:12.36 | abrotman | errm .. remembered |
| 19:12.43 | LSorensen | kelt: apt-get install is supposed to do that automatically |
| 19:12.47 | xmb | the reverse to spam.. i ad my code dir, which has over 300 state of the art scripts |
| 19:12.50 | xmb | very rare stuff |
| 19:12.53 | LSorensen | abrotman: right. I am just another useless idiot on irc. :) |
| 19:12.55 | xmb | aka spam, nm |
| 19:12.55 | abrotman | don't care .. go away |
| 19:12.56 | kelt | yeah LSorensen wonder why it had trouble :( |
| 19:13.11 | LSorensen | kelt: didn't run apt-get update recently? |
| 19:13.12 | abrotman | what moron with a freaking cloak spams channels |
| 19:13.13 | xmb | keep your old style scripting =) |
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| 19:13.25 | LSorensen | xmb: scripting isn't useful |
| 19:13.43 | xmb | it is _very_ |
| 19:13.49 | xmb | if you _can_ do it |
| 19:13.52 | xmb | otherwise, still is |
| 19:13.53 | abrotman | xmb: Do you have a Debian question? |
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| 19:14.08 | xmb | i, you, can do _anything_ with scripting thats related to shell or external programs |
| 19:14.13 | abrotman | try #bash |
| 19:14.18 | xmb | naw well just an user |
| 19:14.25 | xmb | ab, im one of the top in #bash |
| 19:14.45 | abrotman | xmb: and give greycat a kiss :) |
| 19:15.12 | xmb | done in public *kissy missy =p |
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| 19:15.30 | harsha- | What is the motive of having FreeBSD kernel source in debian repositories? |
| 19:15.42 | abrotman | harsha-: Debian runs on many kernels |
| 19:15.42 | azeem | harsha-: there's a GNU/kFreeBSD port |
| 19:15.45 | azeem | Debian one, that is |
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| 19:15.56 | azeem | tarzeau loves to talk about it |
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| 19:16.09 | harsha- | ah, that way. I forgot the existence of GNU/kFreeBSD |
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| 19:16.20 | harsha- | thanks azeem |
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| 19:17.31 | abrotman | harsha-: also HURD |
| 19:17.43 | honschu | Hi, how to get a list of all availible ssids with wlanctl-ng? |
| 19:17.49 | abrotman | harsha-: other BSD ports too .. and talk of an OpenSolaris port |
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| 19:18.32 | azeem | the OpenSolaris port is pretty mature, although externally maintained AFAIK |
| 19:18.41 | azeem | and they seem to be basing themselves on Ubuntu, ratehr |
| 19:18.43 | ricky_clarkson | The sarge installer wants to know what graphics card I have, and it is guessing Vesa. |
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| 19:18.53 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: buy a better card |
| 19:19.00 | ricky_clarkson | lspci says ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5460 |
| 19:19.04 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: update-pciids |
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| 19:19.13 | jhenn | the testing torrents aren't working for me, any ideas? |
| 19:19.19 | ricky_clarkson | !update-pciids |
| 19:19.22 | abrotman | !pciids |
| 19:19.22 | dpkg | well, pciids is run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
| 19:19.34 | ricky_clarkson | I need Internet access for that, I expect. |
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| 19:19.43 | janz | folks let me in......... hehe. I need a help /w graphics |
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| 19:19.56 | janz | cant get resolution more than 800x600 |
| 19:20.05 | stew | ricky_clarkson: you would |
| 19:20.07 | Ronin | janz: reconfigred x? |
| 19:20.08 | pipeline | janz: Are you using VESA mode? |
| 19:20.10 | janz | with nVidia GeForce 4 mmx |
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| 19:20.15 | janz | i dont know |
| 19:20.29 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I only downloaded the .iso two days ago, not sure why updating the pciids thing would help. |
| 19:20.39 | abrotman | because it's sarge ... |
| 19:20.57 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: the install doesn't run update-pciids on its own(maybe it should though) |
| 19:21.10 | janz | xconfig??? |
| 19:21.15 | ricky_clarkson | I don't have Internet access, so it would fail anyway. |
| 19:21.19 | btaranto | hy. amd64 iso cd dont detect my raid scsi and i cant install the system. |
| 19:21.22 | abrotman | so put it on a floppy |
| 19:21.28 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: No floppy drive. |
| 19:21.31 | abrotman | btaranto: #debian-amd64 |
| 19:21.41 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: CD .. whatever ! .. i know you're not a moron :) |
| 19:21.55 | btaranto | abrotman_ nobody answer there. |
| 19:21.55 | ricky_clarkson | Can't I just look it up somewhere? ->google |
| 19:22.08 | abrotman | lspci -n |
| 19:22.11 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 19:22.12 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
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| 19:22.38 | ricky_clarkson | Difficult to paste it. |
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| 19:23.14 | abrotman | it's four or five characters! |
| 19:23.33 | ricky_clarkson | I thought that page wanted to whole output. |
| 19:23.39 | ricky_clarkson | s/to/the/ |
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| 19:24.31 | ricky_clarkson | M22 [Radeon Mobility M300] - Driver radeonfb,ati |
| 19:24.52 | ricky_clarkson | No radeonfb in the list, so I think I should go with ati. |
| 19:25.01 | mjk64_ | How can I install Debian via NFS on a CD-ROM-/floppy-less machine? The installer from netboot.tar.gz only offered installation via Internet, not NFS. |
| 19:25.02 | ricky_clarkson | Why did it guess vesa then? |
| 19:25.26 | stew | ricky_clarkson: are you just trying to figure out which kernel module you might need? |
| 19:25.40 | ricky_clarkson | stew: The video card driver for the X server. |
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| 19:26.04 | stew | ricky_clarkson: if its radeon, just use ati, the ati driver will autodetect if the radeon sub-driver is more appropriate |
| 19:26.11 | ricky_clarkson | I see, thanks. |
| 19:26.11 | darkstego | is there a way to delete a file from inside a deb archive? |
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| 19:28.24 | spart | If ive a new startup script in /etc/init.d/ how can i do the equivalent of chkconfig --add ? |
| 19:28.38 | stew | !red hat tools |
| 19:28.39 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. |
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| 19:29.12 | ricky_clarkson | So how many limbs do I have to sever before wireless will work? |
| 19:29.19 | ricky_clarkson | !wireless |
| 19:29.20 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux, or try asking #wireless |
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| 19:29.38 | Schiz0 | Is there a way I can find out what package a specific file belongs to via apt? |
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| 19:30.01 | ricky_clarkson | Schiz0: dpkg -S or something. |
| 19:30.02 | stew | Schiz0: dpkg -S filename |
| 19:30.05 | Schiz0 | Thanks. |
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| 19:30.26 | stew | ricky_clarkson: which chipset? |
| 19:30.47 | Soeki | !rpm |
| 19:30.48 | dpkg | hmm... rpm is revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison method, or robot power management |
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| 19:31.37 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05) |
| 19:31.54 | stew | ricky_clarkson: you won't have to sever any limbs, just use non-free firmware |
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| 19:32.00 | stew | !ipw2200 |
| 19:32.01 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 19:32.17 | stew | ricky_clarkson: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 19:32.28 | ricky_clarkson | stew: And is all that available on sarge ISO 1? |
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| 19:33.01 | Soeki | hello, i am trying to install the ati drivers on sarge but its an rpm and i frankly don't know how to use it on debian. Xfree wont start promting "(EE) No devices detected." |
| 19:33.07 | ricky_clarkson | stew: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:33.08 | stew | ricky_clarkson: no, you'll need more than iso 1 |
| 19:33.33 | ricky_clarkson | Do you know which - or is there a way I can tell? |
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| 19:33.45 | stew | ricky_clarkson: you'll need the 2.6 kernel, and you'll need ipw2200-source and module-assistant, http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo will help you figure out which cds |
| 19:33.56 | ricky_clarkson | Is the 2.6 kernel on ISO 1? |
| 19:34.00 | stew | ricky_clarkson: and you'll need the firmware blob from ipw2200.sf.net |
| 19:34.23 | thingfish | !tell Soeki about ati |
| 19:34.25 | netman1 | Soeki: use "alien" on the rpm |
| 19:34.28 | phaedrus_ | this kindof a dumb question...how do i list all my disks without mounting them ? |
| 19:34.32 | stew | ricky_clarkson: yes. alternatively you can use "/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15" but you still need the firmware in /lib/firmware no matter what |
| 19:34.50 | stew | netman1: no |
| 19:35.12 | stew | netman1: i don't know much about non-free dirvers, but i know you shouldn't be installing them with alien |
| 19:35.28 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I see. Thanks. |
| 19:35.35 | tarzeau | harsha-: #gnu-kbsd |
| 19:36.09 | Soeki | all the guides i can find use a pack from ati with a .run extension |
| 19:36.22 | Soeki | all i can get now its a .rmp file |
| 19:36.55 | thingfish | Soeki: /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 19:38.40 | phaedrus_ | cool... the df command |
| 19:38.40 | thingfish | what don't you understand, Soeki? |
| 19:39.05 | EvilDin | is there in debian anywhere log file that i can look which guy did make restart or shutdown of system? |
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| 19:39.18 | dobby | what is to easyest way to connect 2 linux hosts. I need to mount a hd into /mnt that i can do a dd from the Disk1 to the mountet one |
| 19:39.20 | Soeki | its suposed to use a .run file distributed by ATI but now its an .rpm |
| 19:39.22 | thingfish | Soeki: did you /msg dpkg fglrx and read what the bot tells you? |
| 19:39.27 | Soeki | ati-*.run --buildpkg Debian/sarge <--? |
| 19:39.28 | Soeki | yes i did |
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| 19:40.07 | cenobyte_evil | anyone point me on how to change window managers, after i did a netinstall, and got gnome on here |
| 19:40.19 | cenobyte_evil | i can't find a .xinitrc file in my home folder |
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| 19:40.25 | rohan | hi all |
| 19:40.32 | rohan | i am trying to chroot into debian, from suse |
| 19:40.38 | rohan | suse:/mnt/debian # chroot . |
| 19:40.38 | rohan | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied |
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| 19:40.42 | rohan | what do i do, now ? |
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| 19:41.01 | Soeki | thingfish this is the file i got from Ati web site. ---> fglrx_4_3_0-8.25.18-1.i386.rpm |
| 19:41.06 | ricky_clarkson | stew: So I have two choices, I can either install sarge's 2.6 kernel and then use module-assistant, or I can /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 - right? |
| 19:41.55 | rohan | even /bin/sh gives permission denied |
| 19:41.56 | thingfish | Soeki: you didn't read or understand the fglrx factoid, evidently. I don't care what you got from ati's site. |
| 19:42.07 | EvilDin | is there in debian anywhere log file that i can look which guy did make restart or shutdown of system? anyone know? |
| 19:42.20 | LSorensen | ricky_clarkson: if you use 2.6.16 from backports.org with sarge, you still use module assistant to build module add ons for it |
| 19:42.35 | stew | ricky_clarkson: yes, since the ipw2200 drivers are no included in the vanilla kernels as of 2.6.15. but in any case you need to add firmware |
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| 19:42.39 | stew | ^no^now |
| 19:42.47 | LSorensen | ricky_clarkson: at is still rather painful to use with linux, although it is slowly improving |
| 19:42.53 | LSorensen | s/at/ati/ |
| 19:42.59 | Soeki | oh i did read it, didn't understand it i guess |
| 19:43.01 | LSorensen | ricky_clarkson: wireless is just a nightmare in my experience |
| 19:43.08 | rohan | i really need to chroot into debian to restore my /boot |
| 19:43.10 | rohan | its messed up atm |
| 19:43.18 | yassine | hi get this error : W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org unstable/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_unstable_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:43.19 | ricky_clarkson | LSorensen: I think my alternative might be worse. |
| 19:43.27 | rohan | i tried from knoppix, i was able to chroot, but it could not build initrd |
| 19:43.38 | rohan | and no debian kernel is gonna boot into my sys without an initrd |
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| 19:43.44 | MoDaX | cenobyte_evil: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager (as root) |
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| 19:43.46 | rohan | which is why i am screwed :S |
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| 19:44.21 | thingfish | Soeki: it means do this: open /etc/apt/sources.list with your favorite editor, as root. then look for the word 'main' and add 'contrib' and 'non-free' after 'main'. |
| 19:44.26 | MoDaX | cenobyte_evil: you could try "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" |
| 19:44.29 | MoDaX | too |
| 19:44.29 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:44.30 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:44.34 | rohan | tarzeau: way to go :) |
| 19:44.39 | tarzeau | rohan: :) |
| 19:44.47 | yassine | anyone of you guys have an idea for me what i could make to solve my issue ? |
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| 19:44.51 | Soeki | oh.. thats why i couldnt get them using aptitude |
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| 19:45.29 | thingfish | Soeki: so like if you have http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main, make it read http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 19:45.34 | rohan | hmm.. i need my dose of debian but i am stuck on suse .. its like being a junkie and not having heroin for hours together ! :(( |
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| 19:45.57 | Soeki | i see... thanks :) will do it now. |
| 19:45.57 | thingfish | oh junkies only need heroin about every 12 hours. |
| 19:46.22 | rohan | thingfish: debian is more addicting |
| 19:46.23 | thingfish | Soeki: then follow the rest of the directions in the fglrx factoid. |
| 19:46.26 | rohan | and i stuck .. grrrrrrrrrr..... |
| 19:46.27 | rohan | :( |
| 19:46.28 | cenobyte_evil | it runs gdm as default i never played iwth it much |
| 19:46.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:46.35 | thingfish | and better for you! |
| 19:46.35 | cenobyte_evil | i'll try that tho. thanks |
| 19:46.49 | rohan | thingfish: noo.. you are making me suffer :( |
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| 19:47.00 | rohan | suse:/mnt/debian # chroot . /bin/sh |
| 19:47.00 | rohan | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/sh': Permission denied |
| 19:47.02 | rohan | see ? |
| 19:47.21 | jbullzeye | hi guys |
| 19:47.23 | rohan | i neeed to chroot into it, but cant :S |
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| 19:47.34 | jbullzeye | i got a problem mounting my external harddisk |
| 19:47.53 | MoDaX | rohan: have you mounted /mnt/debian with noexec ? |
| 19:47.58 | rohan | MoDaX: no |
| 19:47.59 | jbullzeye | just a moment i gonna post the message |
| 19:48.07 | rohan | MoDaX: just defaults .. ouch, defaults is noexec ? |
| 19:48.08 | thingfish | rohan: maybe the instructions for the fixmbr factoid would help you. |
| 19:48.22 | thingfish | rohan: it spells out how to chroot. |
| 19:48.31 | rohan | thanks A LOT, MoDaX |
| 19:48.33 | Soeki | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "fglrx-driver" |
| 19:48.40 | rohan | thanks, thingfish |
| 19:48.46 | jbullzeye | usb 4-3: control timeout on ep0out <-- this is the message i got when i pluged in my harddisk |
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| 19:49.14 | MoDaX | Soeki: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 19:49.14 | yassine | MoDaX, hi i get this error : W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org unstable/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_unstable_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) while im trying to apt-get update any idea whats wrong please? |
| 19:49.15 | Soeki | thingfish i got this on my sources.list, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 19:49.17 | thingfish | Soeki: and you aptitude update'd before searching? |
| 19:49.31 | Soeki | i did the "aptitude update" |
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| 19:50.03 | thingfish | that's perfect, soeki, except you might need a matching deb-src line |
| 19:50.28 | thingfish | Soeki: search for just fglrx |
| 19:51.14 | Soeki | the 2 first are like that |
| 19:51.15 | Soeki | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 19:51.15 | abrotman | sarge has no such package |
| 19:51.15 | thingfish | ok cool |
| 19:51.15 | abrotman | !find fglrx sarge |
| 19:51.16 | rohan | shit |
| 19:51.16 | abrotman | poop |
| 19:51.16 | rohan | now it cant create initrd |
| 19:51.16 | thingfish | it's in non-free, right? |
| 19:51.16 | rohan | what do i do :( |
| 19:51.16 | rohan | Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 19:51.16 | rohan | 2.6.16-2-686 on running kernel 2.6.16.13-4-default in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
| 19:51.16 | MoDaX | Soeki: fglrx is not in stable |
| 19:51.19 | abrotman | thingfish: not in sarge |
| 19:51.21 | dobby | is it possible to skip a folder when using dd ? |
| 19:51.21 | thingfish | abrotman: we're just going by what dpkg says. |
| 19:51.26 | rohan | i am chrooting from suse |
| 19:51.27 | abrotman | !ati |
| 19:51.28 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt |
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| 19:51.43 | abrotman | oh .. that's freaking worthless |
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| 19:51.51 | MoDaX | rohan: install initramfs-tools or yaird |
| 19:52.02 | rohan | MoDaX: i have yaird installed |
| 19:52.02 | thingfish | you mean all the people using the fglrx driver are using etch or higher? |
| 19:52.06 | lenstar | #debian.de |
| 19:52.06 | Vasistha | abrotman: heh, it's always fun coming into a channel and catching a snippet from the middle of a conversation like that |
| 19:52.07 | jbullzeye | does some got an indea in my problem? |
| 19:52.12 | rohan | MoDaX: its the chroot thats causing problems, i think |
| 19:52.23 | abrotman | thingfish: the fglrx is a source package in etch/sid |
| 19:52.41 | thingfish | or they're using the non-free ati one I suppose... |
| 19:52.43 | abrotman | Vasistha: i try ... |
| 19:52.49 | thingfish | oh ok, abrotman, news to me. |
| 19:52.54 | Soeki | oh. so its not on stable? |
| 19:52.59 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 19:53.00 | dpkg | ati debs is, like, http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 19:53.00 | abrotman | npoe |
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| 19:53.06 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 19:53.06 | dpkg | fglrx is probably add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
| 19:53.21 | abrotman | !ati is also for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
| 19:53.21 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 19:53.21 | jhenn | are the torrents down for testing? |
| 19:54.03 | rohan | awww.. someone please guide me on getting my debian back :(( |
| 19:54.13 | rohan | i just need the damn initrd |
| 19:54.23 | jbullzeye | cant write it yourself? |
| 19:54.24 | MoDaX | rohan: check that one of the mentioned executable is in your path |
| 19:54.26 | [Bart] | rohan : whats the problem |
| 19:54.27 | abrotman | jhenn: why? |
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| 19:54.34 | abrotman | jhenn: use the netinst for etch if you can |
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| 19:54.45 | thingfish | Soeki: buy nvidia. ;) |
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| 19:55.00 | rohan | [Bart]: i messed up my /boot i.e. /dev/hda2, i managed to chroot and reinstall kernel, grub. but i still need the initrd to boot into debian |
| 19:55.10 | Soeki | (GFX Card) NVIDIA GeForce 6600, (Display) 1024x768/32bit/75Hz |
| 19:55.15 | Soeki | i have one |
| 19:55.18 | rohan | MoDaX: see |
| 19:55.18 | rohan | root@suse:/# which yaird |
| 19:55.19 | rohan | /usr/sbin/yaird |
| 19:55.19 | Soeki | but not on the other box |
| 19:55.25 | MoDaX | rohan: chroot should not be a problem. btw, have you mounted /proc and /sys in chroot? |
| 19:55.38 | rohan | no, how do i go about doing that ? |
| 19:55.43 | rohan | also, /dev is a clutter |
| 19:55.48 | rohan | i.e. no udev, i assume |
| 19:56.06 | [Bart] | rohan : chroot, and then run mkinitrd [kernel version] ,thats it? |
| 19:56.33 | rohan | [Bart]: i am using apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 19:56.39 | lws | Why is there a hidden Backup share in samba on debian stable? |
| 19:57.07 | MoDaX | rohan: in chroot: mount -t procfs none /proc; mount -t sysfs none /sys (I could be wrong about syntax) |
| 19:57.21 | Soeki | abrotman check this out --> "Everyone else, please use the official Debian packages if you're using sid, or the ATI installer packages if you're using sarge or Ubuntu." |
| 19:57.32 | Soeki | it can be read on http://xoomer.alice.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 19:57.38 | rohan | MoDaX: sys worked, not proc |
| 19:57.41 | abrotman | Soeki:yes |
| 19:57.49 | Soeki | ok now im lost :P |
| 19:57.54 | [Bart] | rohan : if the kernel is still there, just use the mkinitrd |
| 19:58.10 | MoDaX | rohan: mount -t proc none /proc |
| 19:58.14 | Soeki | cuz the ATIs installer packages are rpms |
| 19:58.34 | Soeki | and i dont know how to use them on debian |
| 19:58.34 | Soeki | :( |
| 19:58.34 | thingfish | man, glad I have only bought nvidia. |
| 19:58.34 | rohan | [Bart]: mkinitrd.yaird 2.6.16-2-686 is that right ? |
| 19:58.41 | rohan | MoDaX: ah, that worked |
| 19:58.45 | Soeki | someone suggested alien... would that work? |
| 19:59.02 | [Bart] | rohan : mkinitrd 2.6.16-2-686 is enough |
| 19:59.05 | ricky_clarkson | I have an internal mouse - a laptop touchpad - what mouse port should I select, in sarge's installer? |
| 19:59.17 | ricky_clarkson | Actually in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sorry. |
| 19:59.23 | rohan | [Bart]: mkinitrd: command not found :) |
| 19:59.42 | rohan | [Bart]: i removed mkinitramfs tools, have only yaird installed |
| 19:59.48 | yoda2 | [ricky_clarkson]: /dev/psaux |
| 19:59.53 | MoDaX | rohan: better dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 20:00.00 | [Bart] | rohan : oh, I don`t know that yaird stuff |
| 20:00.07 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: Cheers. |
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| 20:00.17 | rohan | MoDaX: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 is broken or not fully installed |
| 20:00.29 | jhenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.32 | MoDaX | rohan: dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:00.55 | EvilDin | is there in debian anywhere log file that i can look which guy did make restart or shutdown of system? anyone know? |
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| 20:01.06 | js_ | EvilDin: last |
| 20:01.07 | EvilDin | please some help |
| 20:01.11 | EvilDin | yes last |
| 20:01.23 | rohan | MoDaX: nah, it fails due to the same error .. about that mkinitramfs thingg |
| 20:01.25 | EvilDin | i don't know the reason for last restart of pc |
| 20:01.29 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: /dev/input/mice |
| 20:01.36 | EvilDin | is these possible to get know somehow |
| 20:01.53 | rohan | cant i use someone else'e initrd.gz, someone who has ext3 as root fs ? atleast i could boot into kerenl and regenerate my own initrd ? |
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| 20:02.10 | ricky_clarkson | (EE) No devices detected. from XFree86. |
| 20:02.20 | ricky_clarkson | !no screens found |
| 20:02.21 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 20:02.22 | robin_sz | EvilDin look back at the contents of /var/syslog or /var/log |
| 20:02.53 | EvilDin | under which log file |
| 20:02.57 | jbullzeye | can someone help me? |
| 20:03.05 | EvilDin | there are many logs in /var/log |
| 20:03.18 | MoDaX | rohan: double check: whereis mkinitrd.yaird |
| 20:03.24 | [Bart] | jbullzeye : first ask what you want? |
| 20:03.31 | robin_sz | EvilDin, .. /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages |
| 20:03.39 | ricky_clarkson | I already did the stuff that /msg dpkg troubleshooting x suggests. |
| 20:03.40 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: what laptop is it? Did you already check "linux-on-laptops" |
| 20:03.42 | jbullzeye | ive asked a time ago |
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| 20:03.56 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: Tecra A4, and yes, they only have 'reviews' for A2 and A6. |
| 20:04.05 | [Bart] | jbullzeye : can you re-ask because I dont have it (anymore?) |
| 20:04.14 | jbullzeye | one moment please |
| 20:04.28 | rohan | MoDaX: root@suse:/# whereis mkinitrd.yaird |
| 20:04.28 | rohan | mkinitrd: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird |
| 20:04.41 | jbullzeye | (21:47:50) jbullzeye: i got a problem mounting my external harddisk |
| 20:04.41 | jbullzeye | (21:49:02) jbullzeye: usb 4-3: control timeout on ep0out <-- this is the message i got when i pluged in my harddisk |
| 20:05.09 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: do you use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:05.30 | EvilDin | us in messages just say like that system was just started before system start nothing, --> possible that was forced to restart (electricity or restart button) ? |
| 20:05.38 | MoDaX | rohan: now just run mkinitrd.yaird |
| 20:05.41 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: Yes. |
| 20:05.54 | Soeki | abrotman im used alien to get the .deb but now dpkg complains |
| 20:05.55 | Soeki | dpkg: error processing fglrx-4-3-0_8.25.18-2_i386.deb (--install): |
| 20:05.55 | Soeki | trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package xlibmesa-gl |
| 20:05.56 | rohan | root@suse:/# mkinitrd.yaird |
| 20:05.56 | rohan | mkinitrd.yaird: no output file specified |
| 20:05.57 | ricky_clarkson | Doesn't even work if I use the vga driver. |
| 20:05.59 | [Bart] | jbullzeye : maybe stupid, but did you check the cables and or harddisk? |
| 20:06.29 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: then you should check if /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 gets really updated. In my case dpkg didn't update the config file |
| 20:06.30 | ricky_clarkson | With the VGA driver: "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." |
| 20:06.45 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: It must get updated, as the errors are now different. |
| 20:06.59 | Soeki | ricky_clarkson at least your device is detected :P |
| 20:07.04 | jbullzeye | [Bart]: my harddisk works fine when i start my windows :S |
| 20:07.05 | MoDaX | rohan: it's so strange that kernel-package does not find it. ok, can you appect DCC? |
| 20:07.16 | Soeki | <-- (EE) No devices detected. |
| 20:07.20 | rohan | MoDaX: no, my router is b0rken .. :S |
| 20:07.31 | rohan | MoDaX: i mean, there is always problem with dcc, but try anyway |
| 20:08.14 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: is your bios set to "also" use an external mouse? |
| 20:08.20 | FromTO | I know this is a gnome question but no one seems to be up and runing on #gnome. I just wanted to know where the audible system bell file for gnome is located. It is annoying and loud and would like to change it. Of course I can make the screen flash instead but would rather a sound. Thanks |
| 20:08.32 | MoDaX | rohan: oh well, I've just remembered that I'm running on amd64 :) |
| 20:08.35 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: No idea. I don't though. Should I set that to be "no"? |
| 20:08.39 | rohan | MoDaX: lol |
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| 20:09.16 | rohan | MoDaX: thanks for so much help ! :) |
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| 20:09.53 | ricky_clarkson | Soeki: Don't be jealous, when I use the ati driver, I get your error message. |
| 20:10.05 | EvilDin | am http://channels.debian.net/paste/2706 ---> why was pc restarted ? any idea? |
| 20:10.07 | ricky_clarkson | When I use the vga driver, I get the other I posted. |
| 20:10.07 | Soeki | im not |
| 20:10.12 | rohan | so, anyone having fairly up to date sid and ext3 as their root file system can please pass me their /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 |
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| 20:10.41 | MoDaX | rohan: try mkinitrd.yaird -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 20:10.48 | jbullzeye | i think there will be noone who could help :( |
| 20:10.50 | aphexer | somehow i don't remember the mysql root password. Can i reconfigure some package to reset it, or is there any other way to reset the mysql root password? |
| 20:10.54 | jbullzeye | google too |
| 20:11.12 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: did you select the synaptics driver and the auto-dev protocol? |
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| 20:11.21 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: No. |
| 20:11.24 | rohan | MoDaX: ill luck i have today, it seems |
| 20:11.24 | rohan | root@suse:/# mkinitrd.yaird -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 20:11.24 | rohan | yaird error: Could not read output for /sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set-version 2.6.16-2-686 mousedev (fatal) |
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| 20:11.32 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: The BIOS does not have an 'external mouse' option. |
| 20:11.32 | abrotman | EvilDin: there's nothing there |
| 20:11.50 | EvilDin | how not |
| 20:12.03 | sepski | aphexer, im not 100% sure, but i think you should be able to reset it using the debian-sys-main user that the initrd scripts use to start/stop the services. atlest worth a check |
| 20:12.04 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: try this: Section "InputDevice" |
| 20:12.04 | yoda2 | Identifier "Synaptics" |
| 20:12.05 | yoda2 | Driver "synaptics" |
| 20:12.05 | yoda2 | Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 20:12.05 | yoda2 | Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" |
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| 20:12.15 | EvilDin | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2707 |
| 20:12.16 | abrotman | EvilDin: there's like two lines .. then it boots |
| 20:12.25 | EvilDin | yes that is problem |
| 20:12.34 | EvilDin | why is the reason pc reboot? |
| 20:12.35 | MoDaX | rohan: is there anything in /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/ ? |
| 20:12.44 | rolo | hi, i did a $apt-get install (package) but it had some unmet dependencies, now i have changed my mind and wont install it, but when i run apt-get install again that package is still sitting there, how do i remove it from ther ? |
| 20:12.47 | abrotman | EvilDin: and unless those two lines .. indicate a successful crack .. they're not relate d.. they're 30 minutes before the boot |
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| 20:12.52 | EvilDin | if one user restart pc is it shown that someone restart it |
| 20:12.53 | rohan | MoDaX: yes, lots of things .. |
| 20:12.58 | rohan | MoDaX: all the modules, i suppose |
| 20:13.01 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: I didn't see all of that. |
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| 20:13.09 | rohan | MoDaX: yes, there are loads on .ko's in there |
| 20:13.16 | EvilDin | or not |
| 20:13.21 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: my irc froze :( |
| 20:13.30 | jbullzeye | bye guys |
| 20:13.32 | abrotman | EvilDin: is this you ? 80.228.197.80 ? |
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| 20:13.35 | MoDaX | rohan: run depmod 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 20:13.41 | EvilDin | no |
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| 20:13.47 | abrotman | EvilDin: and i can tell you that your kernel is out of date |
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| 20:13.59 | MoDaX | rohan: and then that mkinitrd command again |
| 20:14.04 | abrotman | wait .. i think |
| 20:14.31 | yoda2 | ricky: try this in XF86Config-4 |
| 20:14.40 | abrotman | EvilDin: yes .. it is out of date |
| 20:14.41 | rolo | hi, i did a $apt-get install (package) but it had some unmet dependencies, now i have changed my mind and wont install it, but when i run apt-get install again that package is still sitting there, how do i remove it from ther ? |
| 20:14.46 | EvilDin | how |
| 20:14.48 | yoda2 | ricky: driver "Synaptics" |
| 20:14.49 | rolo | its kind of still in queue ? |
| 20:14.56 | EvilDin | i always use sudo apt-get update |
| 20:15.00 | abrotman | EvilDin: you didn't apply the security update for the kernel |
| 20:15.01 | EvilDin | how do i upgrade krnel |
| 20:15.10 | yoda2 | ricky: option: "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
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| 20:15.20 | abrotman | EvilDin: if you run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" .. is anything held back ? |
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| 20:15.28 | EvilDin | yes i did |
| 20:15.31 | yoda2 | ricky: option "Protocol" "auto-dev" |
| 20:15.32 | EvilDin | but no upgrade |
| 20:15.46 | EvilDin | there is no upgrade to be made |
| 20:15.56 | EvilDin | or link to upgrades is missing? |
| 20:15.58 | rohan | MoDaX: same error |
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| 20:16.26 | yoda2 | ricky: do this within section "inputdevice" and endsection |
| 20:16.43 | MoDaX | rohan: run that failing modprobe command manually and see what it says |
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| 20:17.05 | EvilDin | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2708 |
| 20:17.13 | rohan | MoDaX: see, the output |
| 20:17.14 | rohan | root@suse:~# /sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set-version 2.6.16-2-686 mousedev |
| 20:17.16 | EvilDin | does any upgrade link missing |
| 20:17.17 | rohan | insmod /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/input/mousedev.ko |
| 20:17.20 | rohan | do i run that insmod command, MoDaX ? |
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| 20:18.02 | MoDaX | rohan: no. it won't work anyway |
| 20:18.08 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: did you get it? see also the xconfig at: http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_tecra_a4_linux.html |
| 20:18.15 | abrotman | EvilDin: paste the resuytls of `apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade` |
| 20:18.23 | rohan | MoDaX: ah, yes .. version mismatch, since its the suse kernel :| |
| 20:18.26 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: I'm doing it. |
| 20:18.39 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: For some reason, vi really is vi, or seems to be, on sarge. ;) |
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| 20:19.30 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: Ok, I also have Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" and Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 20:19.35 | EvilDin | um i think some links in source.list are missing |
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| 20:19.38 | ricky_clarkson | Should I zap those? |
| 20:19.42 | ricky_clarkson | zap=delete |
| 20:19.43 | EvilDin | can someone paste me which have to be |
| 20:19.44 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: thats why i use nano as text editor |
| 20:19.52 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: I normally use vim. |
| 20:19.59 | EvilDin | i have only these http://channels.debian.net/paste/2708 |
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| 20:20.23 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: okay should work fine now i hope (at least the touchpad!) |
| 20:20.25 | MoDaX | rohan: I don't what wrong with the ouput of that command. I get the same |
| 20:20.30 | MoDaX | what's |
| 20:20.44 | rohan | MoDaX: awww... what now :( |
| 20:21.03 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: (EE) Problem parsing the config file ;) |
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| 20:21.54 | pinky | So I have a linux box set up fine using samba to talk to an XP box |
| 20:22.04 | pinky | But the XP box can't see the debian one |
| 20:22.05 | EvilDin | any idea which one is missing? |
| 20:22.11 | pinky | I started a Samba server on it |
| 20:22.19 | MoDaX | rohan: I will try to generate initrd for you in my ia32 chroot |
| 20:22.21 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: Ok, still got (EE) No devices detected. |
| 20:22.25 | pinky | But what should I type in when I try to "Add a Network Place" in XP? |
| 20:22.37 | ricky_clarkson | (WW) PCI/AGP Mach64 in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected! |
| 20:22.39 | pinky | Just the IP address or do I actually need a folder shared on the linux box? |
| 20:22.49 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: hmzzz really very strange |
| 20:22.53 | rohan | MoDaX: please, thanks a lot :) |
| 20:23.14 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: Ahh. |
| 20:23.23 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: I am lost :( |
| 20:23.27 | EvilDin | please help |
| 20:23.30 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: (EE) Failed to load module "synaptics" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 20:24.55 | rohan | MoDaX: lets hope it atleast gets me into a kernel from where i can build an initrd for myself :) |
| 20:25.07 | EvilDin | why my apt-get update and upgrade doesn't upgrade to the newwst krnel???? |
| 20:25.10 | pinucset | msg dpkg testing security |
| 20:25.15 | pinucset | msg dpkg testing |
| 20:25.37 | [Bart] | rohan : I also have such an initrd if you want |
| 20:25.55 | rohan | [Bart]: sure .. the more the better .. you have ext3 as the / fs ? |
| 20:26.08 | [Bart] | rohan : Yes, I have ext3 as root fs |
| 20:26.25 | abrotman | EvilDin: don't do that |
| 20:26.26 | rohan | [Bart]: can you please email it to me ? |
| 20:26.33 | abrotman | EvilDin: paste the resuytls of `apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade` |
| 20:26.48 | [Bart] | rohan : email address? |
| 20:27.07 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: did you search for synaptics packages ? (unfortunately i am typing within macosx and can't apt-cache right now |
| 20:27.26 | rohan | [Bart]: rohandhruva@gmail.com |
| 20:27.29 | EvilDin | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2709 |
| 20:27.30 | EvilDin | here is paste |
| 20:27.37 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: Just upgrading my kernel, one minute.. |
| 20:27.59 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: or is it a kernel module driver ?! |
| 20:28.22 | EvilDin | abrotman: what is my problem? |
| 20:28.25 | ricky_clarkson | yoda2: Not that I know of, I'm upgrading it for wireless reasons. |
| 20:28.44 | [Bart] | rohan : OK |
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| 20:29.01 | ricky_clarkson | /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 20:29.10 | ricky_clarkson | Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 20:29.39 | ricky_clarkson | So dramatic. |
| 20:29.46 | MoDaX | rohan: unfortunately, yaird fails. good luck another source |
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| 20:29.56 | ktwiligh1 | lo |
| 20:29.59 | rohan | MoDaX: oh, with the same error ? :D |
| 20:30.21 | Vasistha | ricky_clarkson: maybe you just need to mknod for /dev/console ? |
| 20:30.23 | rohan | MoDaX: anyway, [Bart] is sending me an initrd, thanks for taking the trouble :) i appreciate it a lot :) |
| 20:30.27 | yoda2 | ricky_clarkson: hmzzz.... better throw it through your windows, but give me a call before so i can catch it ;) |
| 20:30.43 | MoDaX | rohan: no. my system is amd64, which yaird does not seem to like |
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| 20:30.52 | rohan | MoDaX: oh, ok |
| 20:31.00 | Vasistha | ricky_clarkson: someone was in here the other day who didn't have a /dev/null ! |
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| 20:31.14 | ricky_clarkson | I'll check when/if 2.4 boots. |
| 20:31.18 | GoAuLd | how to do op notices in xchat (its /onotice in mirc) |
| 20:31.27 | MoDaX | I mean, yaird does not support cross-architecture :) |
| 20:31.48 | EvilDin | abrotman: any idea ?? |
| 20:32.16 | ricky_clarkson | PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 06:06.0 |
| 20:32.47 | ricky_clarkson | That's in dmesg - there were kernel messages that looked important at boot, wrt IRQ settings, but they went past too quickly. |
| 20:32.59 | rohan | [Bart]: please tell me when you send the file :) |
| 20:33.17 | ricky_clarkson | Vasistha: /dev/console exists. |
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| 20:33.29 | chealer | GoAuLd: ask #xchat |
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| 20:33.38 | [Bart] | rohan : still sending , gmail is slow :( |
| 20:33.50 | GoAuLd | ok |
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| 20:34.09 | rohan | [Bart]: :( |
| 20:34.22 | EvilDin | any idea why my debian sarge doesn't upgrade the kernel ? |
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| 20:34.53 | streuner | EvilDin: visit backports.org and read instructions |
| 20:34.58 | dondelelcaro | EvilDin: 2.6.8 is the kernel that sarge released with; it'll only get security fixes from now on. |
| 20:35.14 | abrotman | EvilDin: stop doing that |
| 20:35.19 | EvilDin | how can i upgrade all version |
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| 20:35.44 | abrotman | EvilDin: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-386 .. what does it say ? |
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| 20:36.00 | ricky_clarkson | I've seen some instructions for solving my error message: They say to cd /dev and do MAKEDEV update - good advice? |
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| 20:36.06 | [Bart] | rohan: Mail should be in your inbox now |
| 20:36.10 | EvilDin | that i can install |
| 20:36.10 | ricky_clarkson | My error: /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 20:36.14 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 20:36.14 | dpkg | methinks devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 20:36.41 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I was looking at the first of those URLs. |
| 20:36.42 | rohan | [Bart]: indeed, and thanks for the luck, i need it :) |
| 20:36.52 | [Bart] | rohan :) |
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| 20:37.26 | EvilDin | abrotman: now it is installed |
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| 20:38.15 | EvilDin | but this is not the newest one? |
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| 20:39.15 | streuner | EvilDin: which one do you want? |
| 20:39.26 | EvilDin | the newest one of course |
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| 20:40.13 | shadow_mil | I need to run a command before the Xserver starts |
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| 20:40.19 | EvilDin | but i don't get why didn't system upgrade itself |
| 20:40.22 | shadow_mil | Where can I add it so it will work |
| 20:40.24 | dondelelcaro | shadow_mil: like what? |
| 20:41.09 | yoda2 | anyone got spdif out working on the a7n8x deluxe with sarge stable and alsa? |
| 20:41.12 | streuner | EvilDin: sarge/stable is closed, there are only security fixes which comes into this then |
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| 20:41.18 | shadow_mil | 915resolution 45 1024 768 |
| 20:41.27 | shadow_mil | I need to run that before xserver starts |
| 20:41.32 | abrotman | EvilDin: the 2.4.27-3-386 ? |
| 20:41.38 | EvilDin | what if i want newer version |
| 20:41.46 | EvilDin | yes 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 20:41.49 | EvilDin | is now on |
| 20:42.07 | abrotman | EvilDin: ok .. now .. that doesn't answer why your machine crashed .. but at least you're up to date :) |
| 20:42.07 | deadcat | when i apt-get build-dep openbox, it tries to install a bunch of -dev, where does it know what to install? |
| 20:42.09 | streuner | EvilDin: you use a backport (/msg dpkg backport) |
| 20:42.11 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I'm looking at the second of those URLs - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 - and it says to run initrd. |
| 20:42.12 | dondelelcaro | shadow_mil: /usr/share/doc/915resolution/README.Debian has the instructions on how to do it. |
| 20:42.17 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 282141 |
| 20:42.21 | dpkg | #282141:N[installation-reports] pivot_root: 2.6 panics, 2.4 boots; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:18:01 UTC |
| 20:42.23 | Klowner | I've got a Xeon box I'm putting debian on, what arch would be most appropriate? |
| 20:42.25 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I've looked at man 8 initrd and I'm not sure what options to give it. |
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| 20:42.37 | EvilDin | (/msg dpkg backport |
| 20:42.39 | shadow_mil | thanks |
| 20:42.42 | dondelelcaro | Klowner: i386 |
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| 20:42.51 | ricky_clarkson | Er, man 8 mkinitrd rather. |
| 20:43.04 | Klowner | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 20:43.29 | EvilDin | and how exectly could i upgrade to that new version |
| 20:43.31 | deadcat | ah. i think its slim_1.2.4-1.dsc |
| 20:43.44 | streuner | EvilDin: visit backports.org and read instructions |
| 20:43.50 | EvilDin | aha |
| 20:43.50 | shadow_mil | There is no /usr/share/doc/915resolution/README.Debian file |
| 20:43.53 | ricky_clarkson | !mkinitrd |
| 20:44.00 | ricky_clarkson | !initrd |
| 20:44.00 | dpkg | [initrd] initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 20:44.04 | ricky_clarkson | Sheesh. |
| 20:44.12 | Klowner | dondelelcaro: amd64 would work too wouldn't it? |
| 20:44.33 | Vasistha | ricky_clarkson: try /msg dpkg |
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| 20:45.06 | ricky_clarkson | Vasistha: It works. |
| 20:45.22 | EvilDin | with these instrucions http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 20:45.33 | shadow_mil | dondelelcaro: There is no /usr/share/doc/915resolution/README.Debian file |
| 20:45.33 | evilgeek | haha. |
| 20:45.36 | MoDaX | Klowner: provided your intel cpu has em64t extensions |
| 20:45.54 | dondelelcaro | shadow_mil: uh... you do have the 915resolution Debian package installed, right? |
| 20:45.59 | shadow_mil | yes |
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| 20:46.12 | dondelelcaro | shadow_mil: what does dpkg -L 915resolution; say? |
| 20:46.57 | shadow_mil | dondelelcaro: I did not install it with a package installer, but with the make and make install commands |
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| 20:47.11 | maikol | how does one configure a usb wireless device |
| 20:47.12 | dondelelcaro | shadow_mil: then you don't have the debian 915resolution package installed. Install it. |
| 20:47.46 | Vasistha | maikol: is this a usb wireless ethernet card? fyi, the support for usb network cards is pretty spotty |
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| 20:47.56 | dondelelcaro | shadow_mil: in the future, if you're not sure of what we're asking, ask us questions; otherwise it's really difficult to help you. |
| 20:48.26 | shadow_mil | dondelelcaro: 915resolution is a vaild command on my command line though, if I type 915resolution it gives me the function usage |
| 20:48.55 | maikol | Vasistha, its a linksys WUSB11 USb network adapter |
| 20:49.05 | dondelelcaro | shadow_mil: sure, but you don't have the Debian package installed, which has all sorts of nice things that will make your life easier, like scripts to do what you're trying to do built in. |
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| 20:49.14 | shadow_mil | And the 915resolution package is not on my list in my package manger |
| 20:49.28 | dondelelcaro | shadow_mil: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 20:49.29 | Vasistha | maikol: have you done a google.com/linux search for linksys wusb11 ?? |
| 20:49.30 | dondelelcaro | !+info 915resolution |
| 20:49.32 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 20:49.57 | shadow_mil | I am using ubuntu, but ubuntu uses the debian init stuff |
| 20:50.02 | maikol | Vasistha, yes, its supported on most everything. i just need to know how to config it. |
| 20:50.23 | dondelelcaro | shadow_mil: uh... you need to ask #ubuntu then; we can't help you. |
| 20:50.49 | zinx | shadow_mil: ubuntu does not use debian init stuff |
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| 20:51.32 | shadow_mil | dondelelcaro: Can help me dispite the fact that like every readme file for the boot stuff says to go to "http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/#contents" for more information |
| 20:51.36 | shadow_mil | can't* |
| 20:51.55 | maikol | Vasistha, nevermind, i have to go. ill find out later |
| 20:51.59 | Vasistha | maikol: let's see... have you checked out man iwconfig ? |
| 20:52.11 | Vasistha | maikol: give it a read ;-) see ya later, and good luck! |
| 20:52.13 | EvilDin | do i use these http://backports.org/instructions.html for upgrading from sarge to new version ? |
| 20:52.21 | dondelelcaro | shadow_mil: because they've modified how Debian works; Ubuntu may point to parts of Debian, but as you've seen, they modify all sorts of things. |
| 20:52.23 | maikol | Vasistha, yes, the problem was the detection of the device. ill look into it later |
| 20:52.33 | dondelelcaro | shadow_mil: #ubuntu is where you need to go to get support. We can only support Debian here. |
| 20:52.43 | maikol | Vasistha, thanks for the help |
| 20:52.51 | Vasistha | maikol: you're welcome! |
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| 20:54.01 | shadow_mil | dondelelcaro: #ubuntu and #kubuntu have not been but use at all since dapper release came out :( |
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| 20:54.27 | De_Mon | should maildir folders all have a '.' prefix? |
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| 20:55.02 | De_Mon | It's generating ~/Maildir/.sub1.sub2 it it seems like it should be /sub1.sub2 |
| 20:55.56 | De_Mon | ... nevermind didn't read the rest of the usage :P |
| 20:56.03 | Maulkin | De_Mon: Depends on what's viewing them. IRRC, courior needs the preceeding . |
| 20:56.12 | deadcat | simonrvn: do you still have the .dsc file for slim? |
| 20:56.33 | simonrvn | no. i removed all that i think. lemme check |
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| 20:57.13 | deadcat | simonrvn: i think you did.. )= i didnt add the -dev to the depend section when i build the thing |
| 20:57.14 | simonrvn | nope |
| 20:57.28 | simonrvn | sec. i might have it on the web still |
| 20:57.44 | deadcat | (= |
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| 20:58.38 | simonrvn | nope. sorry |
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| 20:59.38 | deadcat | doh |
| 21:00.18 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i've never had that problem .. but many people have .. i searched out a few urls |
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| 21:01.33 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Aye. |
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| 21:02.18 | De_Mon | damn mbox to maildir grew my disk consumption by 52mb |
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| 21:02.52 | Kernel-Kris | can anyone recomend a tool for testing possible througput of a link |
| 21:02.57 | midgetarg | hey guys, my old RH 7.3 server just had a HD failure so I got a new HD and popped in my d-i netinst sarge CD. it went through the whole installation and told me to take out the CD and reboot, so I did |
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| 21:03.21 | EvilDin | am just one silly question if i upgrade with backports a sarge to mutt will these work fine with all new packages with mutt debian, or better question what then when is upgraded to mutt |
| 21:03.43 | midgetarg | it went through grub, starts booting, and my screen goes completely blank. I have to reboot to get it to display anything. what could be wrong or how can I troubleshoot it? |
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| 21:05.07 | Vasistha | Kernel-Kris: throughput of a link? What kind of link? |
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| 21:05.47 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Could it possibly be related to installing kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 instead of -386? |
| 21:05.56 | j0ky | hi all |
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| 21:06.06 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: my understanding is that it's related to a udev issue |
| 21:06.07 | j0ky | mays somebody help me? i'm a poor french :'( |
| 21:06.15 | Vasistha | !fr |
| 21:06.15 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:06.16 | abrotman | Kernel-Kris: netcat |
| 21:06.26 | Vasistha | j0ky: but if you want to use english, just feel free to ask |
| 21:06.28 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Any hints on a fix? I'm steadily working through URLs myself. |
| 21:06.41 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: those were the only two i've found that seemed to be of any value |
| 21:07.01 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i think you have to boot the broken kernel .. boot a liveCD .. run that MAKEDEV or whatever .. then try your busted one again |
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| 21:07.05 | midgetarg | nobody has anysuggestions? maybe I will just have to try re-installing? |
| 21:07.24 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Can I do that from the sarge ISO? |
| 21:07.28 | Vasistha | midgetarg: uhm, you can play around with vga= kernel parameters |
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| 21:07.52 | deadcat | i want a debian patch for my bag. (= |
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| 21:08.33 | ricky_clarkson | Do I type "linux26 rescue" or is that out of date info? ;) |
| 21:08.57 | phaedrus_ | ello |
| 21:09.01 | Vasistha | deadcat: that'd be cool, I wonder if anyone is making such things. There are some cool geek girls around... |
| 21:09.03 | Kernel-Kris | abrotman: i have netcat, how would i go about useing to test possible throughput |
| 21:09.04 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: just use the installer option, and drop to a conole |
| 21:09.08 | phaedrus_ | how do i find out if i have one of these? A 3D accelerator card that supports OpenGL under Linux |
| 21:09.18 | dondelelcaro | s/installer/normal &/ |
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| 21:09.27 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: Then it will be running 2.4, not 2.6, afaik. |
| 21:09.30 | deadcat | Vasistha: ? what you mean cool geek girls around? they make stuff like that? |
| 21:09.40 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: if you need 2.6, use install26 |
| 21:09.41 | midgetarg | Vasistha: how would I do that and what would I put? could the fact that I'm using an old Trident 1MB video card cause it? |
| 21:09.46 | dondelelcaro | or linux26 or whatever it is |
| 21:09.54 | Vasistha | deadcat: I dunno, hard to say. I know some cool geek girls make cookies with linux logos on them :-) |
| 21:10.00 | Kernel-Kris | Vasistha: the link is a wireless link |
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| 21:10.33 | deadcat | Vasistha: cookies aint patches (= |
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| 21:10.39 | Vasistha | midgetarg: 1MB? Wow, that sounds pretty old. I'm not quite sure how to deal with that in linux... |
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| 21:11.04 | Vasistha | deadcat: you know, you're entirely correct, patches are a more substantial project, a company that already makes patches would have to adopt them! |
| 21:11.18 | EvilDin | i heard that sarge have only old kernel --> is there any upgrade to new stable release |
| 21:11.41 | Vasistha | Kernel-Kris: you want to test the bandwidth on a wireless network connection, and/or the reliability of it? |
| 21:11.43 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Should I mount -a or something? |
| 21:11.43 | azeem | EvilDin: sarge is the stable release |
| 21:11.56 | EvilDin | yes what if i want newer release |
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| 21:12.20 | midgetarg | Vasistha: hmm, maybe I'll try again with a different card |
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| 21:12.41 | Vasistha | midgetarg: that might just be the easiest thing! |
| 21:14.06 | Kernel-Kris | Vasistha: i know the reliability and signal strenght of it i just want to test and see what the actual throughput is and what througput it can sustain |
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| 21:14.37 | rohan | hi all |
| 21:14.44 | rohan | [Bart]: that didnt work :( |
| 21:14.51 | rohan | [Bart]: memory error in reading from image :(( |
| 21:14.54 | EvilDin | am how to add pubil key |
| 21:14.54 | Kernel-Kris | Vasistha: its a P2P link at about 1,000 feet |
| 21:14.59 | EvilDin | public |
| 21:15.06 | EvilDin | anyone maybe know |
| 21:15.12 | Vasistha | Kernel-Kris: Well you could just transfer one big file and time it with a stopwatch... |
| 21:16.03 | rohan | i only wish debian could SOMEHOW generate an initrd, and i'd be done |
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| 21:16.29 | rolo | how do i find out what gcc compiler version i have installed? |
| 21:16.32 | ricky_clarkson | !rescue |
| 21:16.33 | dpkg | rescue is probably at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerFAQ |
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| 21:17.00 | Kernel-Kris | Vasistha: lol i was going for a less hrm..... redneck method |
| 21:17.06 | buu | "Host foo is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server." Anyone know what I need to be poking? |
| 21:17.07 | midgetarg | Vasistha: as I install it warns me that some of the modules needed aren't available but that they may become available later in the installation. Is this normal? |
| 21:17.10 | buu | rolo: gcc -v |
| 21:17.20 | buu | midgetarg: Yes. |
| 21:17.28 | ricky_clarkson | !no, rescue is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ |
| 21:17.29 | rolo | thank you |
| 21:17.40 | Vasistha | buu: you might need to adjust your mysql connection priveleges, by logging into mysql as root |
| 21:17.54 | ricky_clarkson | I expected an ACK, dpkg, you rude bot. |
| 21:18.06 | phaedrus_ | A 3D accelerator card that supports OpenGL under Linux - does nVidia TNT2 Riva do this? |
| 21:18.29 | Vasistha | Kernel-Kris: heh, well... I mean, the bigger the file, the more accurate, right? You could also test uploading and downloading a long list of small files. I mean, how else could a benchmark be at all accurate without actually transferring the data? |
| 21:18.35 | rolo | i have this problem compiling wine, and i have searched google, apparently this guy had the same problem and fixed it by doing this "I had this one too; well if it's possible you could get cvs of today, |
| 21:18.35 | rolo | > the problem seems to be fixed (though I don't know what changed at the |
| 21:18.43 | buu | Vasistha: Hrm. |
| 21:18.46 | azeem | phaedrus_: the TNT2 might be so old that it is no longer supported, dunno |
| 21:18.54 | phaedrus_ | ahh... |
| 21:18.57 | azeem | phaedrus_: check the X.org website for their driver support status |
| 21:19.03 | rolo | i did apt-get install cvs |
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| 21:19.11 | rolo | but then i told me it was to the latest version |
| 21:19.12 | phaedrus_ | i need opengl and a 3d card to play half-life |
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| 21:20.41 | Vasistha | midgetarg: well buu says it's normal, I don't really know. I definitely think you should try a newer video card, if you can find one. Is a 1MB card even PCI, or is it the old ISA interface? (just curious!) |
| 21:20.46 | ricky_clarkson | The sarge installer didn't detect my hard drive this time. ;( |
| 21:21.00 | midgetarg | Vasistha: ISA :0) |
| 21:21.07 | midgetarg | I'm trying with an 8MB PCI card now |
| 21:21.07 | phaedrus_ | does anyone have experience with opengl on deb 3.1? |
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| 21:21.13 | phaedrus_ | 2.4.27 |
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| 21:21.38 | buu | Ohh, growing to loathe mysql |
| 21:21.50 | rohan | !mysql |
| 21:21.51 | dpkg | A fast and simple relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmother's blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql, or <mysql gotchas> |
| 21:21.51 | Vasistha | midgetarg: I would expect so! Yeah, it's good to make old hardware work, but... if you have newer resources available.... why? |
| 21:21.56 | rohan | isnt it loathable ? :D |
| 21:21.59 | rolo | whops, i found the patch, but dont know how or where to apply it... http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2006-May/026859.html |
| 21:22.03 | Grell | Debian is the pwn |
| 21:22.09 | rolo | any help would be very appreciated |
| 21:22.33 | Vasistha | buu: once you get it all configured properly, it seems to work alright. Can you login from localhost? |
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| 21:22.46 | midgetarg | Vasistha: because this box won't even have a monitor plugged into it so I wanted to use a video card that couldn't be used for anything else... oh well |
| 21:22.51 | owh | Hi all, I've got a failed lilo/grub installation. The console shows a grub> prompt. I'm sure that there is a lilo boot block on /dev/sda1 |
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| 21:23.27 | Vasistha | midgetarg: well... you could always take it out later, after it's configured, and ssh in or whatever |
| 21:23.29 | owh | How can I tell grub to use the lilo boot block on /dev/sda1? |
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| 21:23.57 | Vasistha | owh: do you want to bring up lilo menus, or do you just need to boot a kernel from /dev/sda1 ? |
| 21:24.07 | owh | I need to boot the kernel. |
| 21:24.20 | phaedrus_ | azeem: so the nv driver works for my card...its the one i use....so do i just install opengl now? |
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| 21:24.41 | azeem | that only says 2D is working |
| 21:24.49 | azeem | you'll need a DRI/DRM module for it |
| 21:24.50 | owh | The root is on /dev/sda3 |
| 21:24.57 | azeem | I have no idea whether there is one |
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| 21:25.13 | Vasistha | rolo: I have no idea, but perhaps it needs to be applied to the kernel, and then the kernel needs to be recompiled?? I really have no idea, no experience with wine |
| 21:25.23 | phaedrus_ | oh..thanks |
| 21:25.30 | owh | Vasistha: If all is as expected, lilo chucked a hissey fit and we can bring the system online and fix it :) |
| 21:25.32 | phaedrus_ | after that module then i inistall opengl? |
| 21:26.14 | Vasistha | owh: let's see, you know, I don't know how to specify root and kernel lines for a scsi device, I don't know how grub handles that part of the bus |
| 21:26.21 | midgetarg | When installing whith d-i netinst, after it tells me to remove the CD and reboot what is *supposed* to happen? |
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| 21:26.27 | ricky_clarkson | I installed sarge, fiddled around, then ran the installer again and it doesn't detect my hard drive. Any suggestions/explanations? |
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| 21:26.35 | owh | Vasistha: Can we get grub to tell us? |
| 21:26.45 | ricky_clarkson | The hard drive still works, I can still boot from it. |
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| 21:26.57 | Vasistha | owh: I'd google for grub as a first step... |
| 21:27.07 | owh | Vasistha: I've been doing that :) |
| 21:27.25 | Vasistha | owh: darn. erm, well there's a way to get grub to search all partitions it sees for a kernel |
| 21:27.48 | yo_ | Hi, do u know about any wireless presenter debian-compatible? pls |
| 21:27.50 | Vasistha | owh: is it a usb drive? |
| 21:28.08 | Vasistha | yo_: wireless presenter? What is it you want?? |
| 21:28.08 | owh | Vasistha: Nope, and the grub FAQ says that SCSI and IDE are the same. |
| 21:28.36 | phaedrus_ | azeem: i have xlibmesa-dri installed..is that it? |
| 21:28.52 | Vasistha | owh: ah, it's a true scsi drive, huh? well if grub FAQ says that, then a kernel search ought to work, if implementation is in line with their FAQ |
| 21:29.08 | owh | Vasistha: So, drive 1 would be HD(0), so partition 2 would be HD(0,2) ? |
| 21:29.11 | azeem | phaedrus_: no, that's on the client |
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| 21:29.13 | yo_ | Vasistha it's a accesory wich enable you to pass to the next and previous presentation, I've found some from targus and logitech but they don't say anything about linuxs; it's something like a mouse |
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| 21:29.17 | phaedrus_ | oh |
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| 21:29.33 | christor | Hi |
| 21:29.33 | azeem | phaedrus_: run glxinfo | grep direct |
| 21:29.41 | Vasistha | owh: no, grub starts counting of everything at 0, so partition one is (hd0,0) and partition 2 is (hd0,1) |
| 21:29.42 | azeem | see whether it says direct rendering: yes |
| 21:30.04 | rohan | !rescue |
| 21:30.04 | dpkg | [rescue] at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerFAQ |
| 21:30.28 | Vasistha | yo_: what is a "presentation"? Are you talking about presentation software that has a slideshow or some such? |
| 21:30.34 | rohan | that factoid is wrong |
| 21:30.38 | rezzen | anyone know of a shell that sets TERM (to allow remote scp file transfers) but otherwise provides no other access to the system? |
| 21:30.40 | rohan | there is no such page on the wiki |
| 21:30.49 | Vasistha | owh: there might just be a find command |
| 21:31.12 | owh | Vasistha: It only seems to find grub files and there are none of those. |
| 21:31.17 | sid | rohan: What are you trying to do? |
| 21:31.43 | phaedrus_ | azeem: direct rendering: no |
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| 21:32.14 | rohan | sid: i messed by /boot, hence i chrooted into my debian after proper mounting, then i reinstalled the kernel, and grub, but it fails to generate initrd |
| 21:32.20 | rohan | sid: and hence i am unable to boot into sid |
| 21:32.22 | sid | !rescue |
| 21:32.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ |
| 21:32.22 | azeem | phaedrus_: try to search on google for TNT2 and DRI |
| 21:32.26 | sid | rohan: Use that. |
| 21:32.30 | Vasistha | owh: have you tried e.g. find /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686 or whatever? |
| 21:32.30 | phaedrus_ | cool..i will thank you |
| 21:32.34 | sid | rohan: You need to make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 21:32.41 | sid | rohan: Did you use the --initrd option? |
| 21:32.53 | owh | Excellent idea. |
| 21:33.05 | owh | petertork: What does that do? |
| 21:33.07 | rohan | sid: why would i want to use make-kpgk ? its the stock kernel, not my own kernel |
| 21:33.39 | owh | petertork: find /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686-smp |
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| 21:34.14 | De_Mon | hrm... okay so I've converted to Maildir, the root path in my imap client is '' and it shows Inbox -> de_mon but if I change the root path to Inbox/de_mon it complains not found |
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| 21:34.57 | rohan | i just need my initrd created, and i am in debian sweet debian |
| 21:35.05 | charzero | What do I need to install to print non-text files to printers on a cups server on another machine? |
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| 21:35.21 | De_Mon | neither /de_mon or de_mon as the root folder path work either /me keeps guessing |
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| 21:36.47 | Vasistha | owh: if /boot is on its own partition, you will want to remove the /boot prefix and just find /vmlinux-2.4.27-3-686 or whatever |
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| 21:36.52 | robin_sz | sigh ... so the "taskbar" panel in Gnome that fscked off onholiday yesterday .. where to look to put it back again? |
| 21:37.10 | owh | Vasistha: Ah |
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| 21:37.42 | rohan | sid: any more ideas ? |
| 21:38.12 | Vasistha | robin_sz: ask in ##gnome ? |
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| 21:39.40 | ricky_clarkson | Booting the sarge installer in 2.6 mode I see that some damn important modules "are not available yet". |
| 21:40.04 | ricky_clarkson | ipw2200, ide-scsi, ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect and ide-floppy |
| 21:40.14 | ricky_clarkson | ipw2200 I know about.. |
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| 21:41.24 | enigmus | problem with x11r7, sid, xorg(7.0.20), "could not open default font 'fixed'". I've tried various things but no success (/usr/X11R6/bin has been removed, replaced with symlink, etc) |
| 21:41.26 | rohan | please .. how do i regenerate my initrd from within a chroot / |
| 21:41.34 | rohan | !fixed |
| 21:41.34 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 21:41.55 | rohan | enigmus: that solves it, i suppose ? :D |
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| 21:44.01 | De_Mon | I can't seem to drill down past the inbox for my root folder |
| 21:44.08 | De_Mon | oh well... |
| 21:44.24 | rohan | GOD DAMN, is there no damn way to rebuild an initrd frm within chroot ! |
| 21:44.36 | owh | rohan: Sure there is. |
| 21:44.43 | owh | rohan: It worked for me :-) |
| 21:44.51 | rohan | owh: and it is ? |
| 21:45.04 | owh | rohan: I just ran the mkinitrd command. |
| 21:45.10 | rohan | yaird fails |
| 21:45.29 | phaedrus_ | this is a dumb question...but i want to exit x and have command...but when i do ctrl+alt+backspace i get the login screen... |
| 21:45.40 | phaedrus_ | how do i exit x and just get command |
| 21:45.40 | phaedrus_ | ? |
| 21:45.47 | charzero | phaedrus_: ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 21:45.52 | stew | phaedrus_: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 21:45.52 | charzero | phaedrus_: or /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 21:45.54 | owh | Vasistha: Does the current network installer allow me to mount previously initialised partitions, then select lilo to update the boot block? |
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| 21:46.12 | stew | rohan: which initrd tool are you trying to use? |
| 21:46.32 | rohan | stew: the one and only that i have installed - yaird |
| 21:46.46 | Vasistha | owh: I'm not the one to ask :P I don't understand the environment you get when you boot a debian install cd. |
| 21:47.08 | stew | rohan: have you read "man mkinitrd.yaird"? you can also probably --reinstall the kernel package |
| 21:47.22 | rohan | stew: did both |
| 21:47.22 | owh | Vasistha: Heh. I'm booting a VMware session to check :-) |
| 21:47.47 | stew | rohan: what happens why you try to run mkinitrd.yaird? |
| 21:48.14 | stew | rohan: do you have populated /proc and /dev dirs in the chroot? |
| 21:48.32 | rohan | yes, stew |
| 21:48.35 | rohan | wait a sec |
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| 21:49.33 | rohan | shit |
| 21:49.42 | rohan | how did the file system get mounted as read only ! |
| 21:50.08 | ricky_clarkson | The sarge ISO works fine using the 2.4 kernel but in the 2.6 kernel it complains that: "No partitionable media were found. Please check that a hard disk is attached to this machine.". |
| 21:50.12 | ricky_clarkson | Any suggestions? |
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| 21:50.58 | stew | ricky_clarkson: sata? |
| 21:51.00 | Vasistha | ricky_clarkson: uhh, use 2.4? :-) heheh |
| 21:51.07 | ktwilight | i can't have flash and mplayer working with sound, but i can with mplayer and xfmedia, any clues on why that is? |
| 21:51.14 | stew | Vasistha: he can't, he needs ipw2200 |
| 21:51.26 | ricky_clarkson | !sata |
| 21:51.27 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 21:51.29 | christor | ricky_clarkson: more info please , what kind of hd... ? |
| 21:51.30 | Vasistha | d'oh! yeah... I sometimes use 2.6 for encryption |
| 21:51.47 | ricky_clarkson | christor: An 80GB one. ;) |
| 21:51.54 | ricky_clarkson | christor: I can boot back into 2.4 for more info. |
| 21:51.57 | christor | ricky_clarkson: IDE or SATA? |
| 21:52.06 | Vasistha | ktwilight: could be your flash is trying to connect directly to the sound device, rather than to a sound server... |
| 21:52.07 | ricky_clarkson | 1 min. |
| 21:52.32 | stew | ricky_clarkson: get the "lspci -n" info for the sata |
| 21:52.54 | ktwilight | how would i check that vasistha? |
| 21:53.09 | ktwilight | hmm...i guess gstreamer has nothing to do with it then eh? |
| 21:53.11 | stew | ricky_clarkson: probably "lspci -n | grep 0101" would be the one |
| 21:53.24 | Vasistha | ktwilight: well, I'm looking into it... first let me explain a little bit though. |
| 21:53.32 | charzero | how is the information in `lspci` determined from what is in `lspci -n` ? |
| 21:53.47 | ktwilight | sure. :) glad to hear some explanation behind it |
| 21:54.03 | christor | stew: what is this command?? I didn t know, I have to sata and lspci -n |grep 0101 display nothing |
| 21:54.17 | enigmus | rohan: well in fact that didn't solve my problem with the fixed font, what else should I try? |
| 21:54.21 | ricky_clarkson | stew: 0000:00:1f.2 0101: 8086:2653 (rev 04) |
| 21:55.07 | Vasistha | ktwilight: Without a "sound server" of some sort, only one application can connect to your sound card at once. If the applications connect instead to a "sound server", then that sound server can receive sounds from several apps, and the sound server connects to the sound card instead of the apps. |
| 21:55.34 | ktwilight | makes sense. |
| 21:55.45 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Without -n, that's IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 04) |
| 21:55.59 | ktwilight | can each app control their own sound rather from the master? ie the volume. like how windows (or not) does it. |
| 21:56.01 | Vasistha | ktwilight: however different apps might have different default configurations, so some might be connecting to the sound card directly, instead of connecting to the sound server -- and then they will block other apps, and the sound server, from connecting. |
| 21:56.04 | charzero | stew: thinkpad? |
| 21:56.08 | ktwilight | aha.. |
| 21:56.18 | rohan | stew: look, please |
| 21:56.22 | rohan | sh-3.1# mkinitrd.yaird -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 21:56.22 | rohan | yaird error: Could not read output for /sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set-version 2.6.16-2-686 mousedev (fatal) |
| 21:56.23 | Vasistha | ktwilight: volume control depends on the app. Some apps have built-in volume controls |
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| 21:56.40 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I'm not sure how/whether dpkg's suggestions were relevant to me. ;) |
| 21:56.50 | stew | ricky_clarkson: you need the ata_piix module to be loaded, i don't know if its available in 2.6.8 |
| 21:56.57 | ktwilight | hmmm... |
| 21:57.01 | stew | charzero: huh? |
| 21:57.13 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Given that I have a 2.6 kernel installed, hopefully I can see that somewhere. |
| 21:57.13 | midgetarg | hey guys, I'm at the point in my netinstall where it is asking me to pick a mirror to use for apt, but no matter which one I pick it times out trying to reach it. How can I check my network settings? |
| 21:57.20 | midgetarg | (and change them) |
| 21:57.43 | charzero | stew: is somebody having problems installing on something with an sata controller? netinst works, but after reboot kernel doesn't pick up the controller? |
| 21:57.48 | azeem | midgetarg: maybe hit alt+f3 and try to ping something |
| 21:57.50 | rohan | stew: i got the same errors previous time i went over this with MoDaX |
| 21:58.13 | stew | ricky_clarkson: the oldest i have is 2.6.8-1 which lists no available module for 8086:2653 (grep "8086.*2653" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 21:58.36 | ricky_clarkson | stew: What would you suggest? |
| 21:58.39 | stew | rohan: check the bts for yaird. or try initramfs-tools if you are not completely against udev |
| 21:58.40 | Vasistha | ktwilight: I'm not that familiar with all this stuff, it's going kinda slowly. Do you know what sound system you are using? Are you using KDE, gnome, ? |
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| 21:58.50 | stew | ricky_clarkson: sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 21:59.04 | stew | charzero: no the netinst doens't support the controller at all |
| 21:59.07 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Which is what dpkg suggested ages ago. ;) |
| 21:59.12 | charzero | stew: what kind of machine is it? |
| 21:59.22 | Vasistha | midgetarg: also test DNS --- ping 64.233.187.99 # for google |
| 21:59.23 | rohan | stew: i am willing to try anything to get into debian |
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| 21:59.29 | rohan | stew: but question is - how ? |
| 21:59.51 | ktwilight | Vasistha, am using xfce |
| 22:00.06 | ktwilight | i had to install alsa since it was directly accessing the sound card. |
| 22:00.17 | ktwilight | i've already configured it. so i'm guessing that flash isn't configured properly |
| 22:00.21 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Is 2.6.15 available in sarge? |
| 22:00.27 | stew | rohan: "apt-get install initramfs-tools yaird-" && apt-get install --resinstall linux-image-... |
| 22:00.37 | Vasistha | ktwilight: do you know if mplayer and xfmedia are using alsa? They probably are, since they are both working with each other... |
| 22:00.43 | stew | ricky_clarkson: no, but it is from backports.org or /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 22:00.47 | ktwilight | i'm quite sure they are. |
| 22:00.52 | DaBlade | rohan: What stew said, except reinstall, not resinstall |
| 22:00.57 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Yeah, just did that, was wondering whether it was in date. |
| 22:01.03 | ktwilight | mplayer's preferences shows alsa |
| 22:01.08 | rohan | i am getting sh: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 22:01.10 | stew | ricky_clarkson: actually bpo might be up to 2.6.16 now but it would support both your sata and your ipw2200 just the same |
| 22:01.11 | rohan | lots of times |
| 22:01.17 | rohan | doenst do any harm though it seems |
| 22:01.21 | ricky_clarkson | !bpo |
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| 22:01.23 | Klowner | anyone familiar with PERC4 raid controllers on Dell PowerEdge 2850 servers? seems the sarge installer didn't detect it |
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| 22:01.24 | ktwilight | as for xfmedia, not sure. :/ it sticks to xfce, so i'm not sure how/where to find out. |
| 22:01.33 | stew | !bpo is <reply> see backports.org |
| 22:01.33 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 22:01.34 | Vasistha | ktwilight: excellent. so have you done a google.com/linux search for flash alsa ? or something of the sort...? |
| 22:01.45 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I realised a few seconds later. |
| 22:01.50 | ktwilight | ah yes, there's a package for xfce to use alsa. so there we go :) |
| 22:02.00 | stew | ricky_clarkson: :) the redirection should be there anyway |
| 22:02.01 | ricky_clarkson | stew: "I went to backports.org and I couldn't find bpo there!!" ;) |
| 22:02.05 | stew | hah |
| 22:02.17 | Soeki | ok now i get this error : xauth: creating new authority file /root/.serverauth.14771 |
| 22:02.25 | Soeki | ;o |
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| 22:02.33 | ktwilight | well, i have been through forums and sites. but nothing really helped me. :/ it's mainly to do with the configuration files of esd or alsa or gstreamer. to which...i've done. |
| 22:02.56 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Ok. I think I can download kernel-image-2.6.15 in Windows - should I just compare dependencies manually to see whether there is anything else I need to download? |
| 22:02.59 | Vasistha | ktwilight: I think you need to be looking at flash's config file ... or does flash work through gstreamer? |
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| 22:03.15 | ktwilight | i don't have gstreamer installed |
| 22:03.30 | ktwilight | neither is esd installed. though i have a library for wrapping on alsa |
| 22:03.32 | rohan | stupid thing is still trying to use yaird it seems |
| 22:03.39 | rohan | Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 22:03.42 | rohan | 2.6.16-2-686 on running kernel 2.6.16.13-4-default in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
| 22:03.43 | ktwilight | i think i've found a solution. it's to do with firefox. :/ |
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| 22:04.02 | Vasistha | ktwilight: ...but flash can get audio exclusively, just not simultaneously with mplayer, etc |
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| 22:04.29 | ktwilight | yes that's right. |
| 22:04.57 | Vasistha | ktwilight: oh, cool ... although that strikes me as a little bit odd. Oh, who knows, maybe flash, being a plugin, gives its output to firefox, rather than trying to interface directly with the kernel |
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| 22:05.14 | rohan | stew, DaBlade : any ideas ? |
| 22:05.14 | enigmus | problem with x11r7, sid, xorg(7.0.20), "could not open default font 'fixed'". I followed dpkg's advice here on #debian but that didn't help. any idea? |
| 22:05.24 | yggdrasi1 | can soon tell me if secure ftp is secure enoug h? |
| 22:05.30 | DaBlade | rohan: I don't know what your problem is... |
| 22:05.31 | rohan | enigmus: i already told you ! |
| 22:05.37 | rohan | !tell enigmus about fixed |
| 22:05.42 | ktwilight | yes, oddly enough. haha |
| 22:05.56 | ktwilight | or maybe that's how ff handles outside plugins? |
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| 22:06.16 | enigmus | rohan: that's what I mean by "I followed dpkg's advice here on #debian". It doesn't solve it! |
| 22:06.17 | stew | !fixed is also if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 22:06.18 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 22:06.26 | stew | enigmus: ^^^ |
| 22:06.31 | rohan | DaBlade: 03:02 < rohan> sid: i messed by /boot, hence i chrooted into my debian after proper mounting, then i reinstalled the kernel, and grub, but it fails to generate initrd |
| 22:06.36 | DaBlade | ktwilight: If you're talking about Firefox plugins, enter about:plugins to see information about it |
| 22:06.43 | Vasistha | ktwilight: you know I think flash might just be a .so file, so I bet it would rely on firefox to receive the streams. |
| 22:06.47 | DaBlade | rohan: Erm... |
| 22:06.48 | stew | rohan: did you try what i suggested? |
| 22:06.51 | DaBlade | rohan: To put it this way: |
| 22:06.55 | rohan | stew: yes |
| 22:06.56 | DaBlade | There's a reason people make backups. |
| 22:07.08 | stew | rohan: if you had, you wouldn't even have yaird installed any longer, so it wouldn't be trying yaird |
| 22:07.08 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I can't find kernel-image-2.6.15 on bpo. |
| 22:07.09 | DaBlade | I don't know how to make a new initial ramdisk |
| 22:07.16 | enigmus | stew: thanks stew, but I've read that page, and there is nothing about fixed.. |
| 22:07.16 | stew | ricky_clarkson: they are probably on 2.6.16 now |
| 22:07.17 | rohan | DaBlade: well, i was going to, but i didnt .. :( |
| 22:07.20 | DaBlade | but it's sure to be possible |
| 22:07.23 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I can't find any. |
| 22:07.24 | rohan | stew: yes, yaird is not installed |
| 22:07.35 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I'm doing it through a browser. |
| 22:07.39 | Vasistha | hmmm, it's nap time |
| 22:07.41 | rohan | yaird: Installed: (none) |
| 22:07.42 | Vasistha | ktwilight: good luck! |
| 22:07.46 | ktwilight | brb |
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| 22:07.52 | DaBlade | rohan: http://www.lissot.net/partition/ramdisk.html |
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| 22:07.58 | DaBlade | rohan: Scroogle.org is your friend |
| 22:08.08 | stew | enigmus: put your xorg.conf into a pastebin |
| 22:08.24 | phaedrus_ | azeem: i have a nvidia riva with 16mb 3d possible? |
| 22:08.36 | phaedrus_ | : P |
| 22:08.37 | stew | ricky_clarkson: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 22:08.53 | stew | ricky_clarkson: you are going to need to get some dependencies, namely an initrd creator |
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| 22:09.10 | syst3m_f4ult | Hello there :) |
| 22:09.11 | owh | How do I tell lilo to use an initrd from a boot prompt, in such a way that it's on a different partition than the root partition? |
| 22:09.54 | rohan | stew: well, i did "mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 2.6.16-2-686" , and then it gave me LOTS LOTS of errors about /dev/null permission denied, but made an initrd |
| 22:09.59 | rohan | stew: would it be reliable |
| 22:10.01 | ricky_clarkson | stew: There was I thinking it would be under 'kernel' ;) |
| 22:10.08 | stew | rohan: is /dev populated? |
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| 22:10.31 | rohan | stew: over-populated. |
| 22:10.32 | stew | ricky_clarkson: yeah, as of 2.6.12 they are named linux- instead of kernel- becuase we now have non-linux kernels that are viable |
| 22:10.48 | rohan | stew: i think since udev is not running, its a static /dev out there |
| 22:10.49 | lewis | what do I put in my /etc/aliases file, to have mails not delivered, i.e. 'webmaster: /dev/null'? |
| 22:10.55 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Makes sense. |
| 22:10.55 | stew | rohan: what does "ls -l /dev/null" say from INSIDE the chroot? |
| 22:10.55 | ktwilight | ok, back. |
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| 22:11.13 | ktwilight | gona try things out now |
| 22:11.17 | thingfish | why does Debian need other kernels? Is it just an exercise? |
| 22:11.22 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I can still see some kernel-image-2.6.15 things though. |
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| 22:11.27 | enigmus | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2710 |
| 22:11.36 | ricky_clarkson | ..I'm not sure which one I need, the version numbers are confusing. |
| 22:11.43 | bnovc | when i ssh to my debian box and resize my terminal everything seems to break (vim especially) but with other systems i dont have any trouble...this happens regardless of where i ssh from |
| 22:11.59 | ricky_clarkson | kernel-image-2.6.-386_2.6.16-11bpo1_i386.deb |
| 22:12.01 | rohan | sh-3.1# ls -l /dev/null |
| 22:12.03 | rohan | crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1, 3 Apr 24 20:42 /dev/null |
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| 22:12.19 | stew | enigmus: oh, hmm, the fonts stuff got removed from Xorg69To7, which is odd |
| 22:12.29 | ricky_clarkson | kernel-image-2.6-686_2.6.16-11bpo1_i386.deb |
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| 22:12.54 | rohan | stew: tho' i did chmod 777 /dev/null just to see if that solved the problem |
| 22:13.11 | stew | enigmus: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7?action=recall&rev=70 |
| 22:13.15 | ricky_clarkson | linux-image-2.6-686_2.6.16-11bpo1_i386.deb - oh, sod it, I'll just try this one. ;) |
| 22:14.02 | bnovc | anyone have any ideas on what i can look into? |
| 22:14.19 | enigmus | stew: thanks |
| 22:14.32 | gozz | my web hosting server is apache 1.3.36 i want to install it on one of my pcs to work on a new design does it matter what version apche or apache2? |
| 22:14.39 | rohan | stew: any more ideas ? |
| 22:14.56 | ricky_clarkson | Is initrd the same as initramfs? |
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| 22:15.24 | stew | ricky_clarkson: initramfs is one type of initrd |
| 22:15.34 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Is that the one I need? |
| 22:15.55 | ricky_clarkson | I can see that on bpo, but not initrd directly. |
| 22:16.17 | stew | ricky_clarkson: if you are replacing a 2.4 kenrel yes, if you are replacing a 2.6 kernel you can also use yaird. note that initramfs-tools depends on udev |
| 22:16.23 | owh | How can I use the debian installer CD as a rescue cd? |
| 22:16.34 | owh | Uh, the Debian Network Installer CD that is. |
| 22:16.37 | thingfish | !tell owh about fixmbr |
| 22:16.52 | thingfish | owh: that tells you how to chroot into it. |
| 22:16.56 | stew | owh: after you boot it, hit alt-f2 for a console |
| 22:16.57 | thingfish | from there you can do whatever. |
| 22:17.03 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I can't boot the 2.6 kernel, so I'm replacing the 2.4 kernel. |
| 22:17.11 | ricky_clarkson | stew: So do I need to grab udev too? |
| 22:17.15 | stew | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 22:17.16 | owh | Hmm, excellent idea. |
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| 22:17.29 | oblio | 'lo |
| 22:17.54 | stew | rohan: have you tried it since you ran chmod on /dev/null? did you check the bts for yaird, initramfs-tools and the linux-image? |
| 22:18.01 | oblio | so dpkg -l gives a list of all packages, with the second column being the package name. is there a way to print the full name of the package? i've read the man page but haven't had much luck. |
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| 22:18.23 | thingfish | my only problem when I tried what it says in the fixmbr factoid is that I could not mount the dir I'd created. |
| 22:18.30 | stew | oblio: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l" or "dpkg --get-selections" |
| 22:18.41 | rohan | stew: yes, chmod 777 /dev/null did not solve it. and atm, imho i want to get into debian .. the bts can wait.. tho' i will check it out now anyway |
| 22:19.01 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Does backports have an equivalent of packages.debian.org - so that a non-Debian user can see the dependencies? I'm trying what I've got anyway, right now. |
| 22:19.05 | matttt | would anyone happen to know a command that i can pipe a sound to my speakers i believe through /dev/dsp..? |
| 22:19.16 | stew | ricky_clarkson: not that i know of |
| 22:19.35 | thingfish | ricky_clarkson: haven't you always been in here, a Debian user? |
| 22:19.50 | oblio | thanks stew |
| 22:19.55 | cureless | matttt: cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp ... or maybe not |
| 22:20.00 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: Yes, but with a 9 month break, mainly because my Debian machine has been somewhere without Internet access. |
| 22:20.10 | gozz | any one use apache that would know? i know it is a major release but will i have a problem if i build and test it with apache2 and then put it on apache1 |
| 22:20.34 | matttt | cureless: thanks :) i just need to test if my sound works.. alsa modules are all compiled no errors. and mixers are on full...... |
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| 22:20.41 | enigmus | stew: I have xserver-xorg-core 1.0.2-8 which according to the wiki shouldn't have a problem with fonts. Yet it does. great.. |
| 22:20.44 | babilen | hi... |
| 22:20.57 | blondie | xorg wouldn't start if it didnt detect keyboard and mouse... right? |
| 22:21.14 | babilen | i just read, that initrd ramdisks are replaced by initramfs (cpio why??) |
| 22:21.14 | cureless | blondie: sort of yes. |
| 22:21.24 | blondie | Xorg starts but keyboard and mouse no worky :( |
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| 22:21.45 | babilen | anything i have to change from the usual kernel install procedure for debian sarge if i want to install a 2.6.16 kernel? |
| 22:21.53 | abrotman | any word on whether woody->etch will be available ? |
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| 22:22.07 | abrotman | i kind of doubt it .. but thought i'd ask |
| 22:22.14 | abrotman | (maybe i should give it a whirl) |
| 22:22.14 | blondie | abrotman: help! |
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| 22:22.22 | abrotman | blondie: three beers .. and an aspirin |
| 22:22.25 | matttt | classic idiot mistake speakers where off :@ |
| 22:22.39 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I think udev is already installed and the bpo one is trying to go on top of it. |
| 22:22.45 | phaedrus_ | ho do i just boot into console instead of x? |
| 22:22.47 | abrotman | blondie: what mouse device? |
| 22:22.52 | abrotman | blondie: does it exist .. |
| 22:22.57 | abrotman | blondie: does keyboard work at console? |
| 22:22.59 | ricky_clarkson | stew: "trying to overwrite '/etc/udev/links.conf', which is also in package udev" |
| 22:23.15 | abrotman | blondie: have oyu tried another keyboard? |
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| 22:23.23 | ricky_clarkson | stew: nm, fixed. |
| 22:23.24 | blondie | hmm, swapping USB ports fixed it |
| 22:23.30 | babilen | anybody installed a 2.6.16 kernel on sarge? |
| 22:23.33 | blondie | I blame silly MS wirelessness |
| 22:24.02 | thingfish | this is the best madonna album in years. |
| 22:24.13 | stew | thingfish: troll elsewhere :) |
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| 22:24.21 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I downloaded udev-udeb, whatever that is, instead of udev. |
| 22:24.27 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:24.29 | stew | !udeb |
| 22:24.30 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 22:24.34 | thingfish | sorry stew |
| 22:24.49 | stew | !start a madonna album war |
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| 22:25.03 | Supaplex | !lets not |
| 22:25.04 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 22:25.56 | Sp4rKy | hi , please i need test ssh password security , does anyone know a ssh cracker ? |
| 22:26.00 | ricky_clarkson | !start a natural catastrophe war |
| 22:26.00 | dpkg | blizzards are fatter then you momma |
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| 22:26.22 | Supaplex | Sp4rKy: yea, worm de jour on the starboard bow |
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| 22:26.33 | ricky_clarkson | Supaplex: du jour |
| 22:26.42 | phaedrus_ | how do i boot into console and not x? |
| 22:26.47 | Supaplex | right. :) |
| 22:26.50 | ricky_clarkson | !nodm |
| 22:26.51 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 22:26.53 | ktwilight | hmmm...still nothing... :/ |
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| 22:27.01 | deptrai | hello |
| 22:27.03 | ricky_clarkson | phaedrus_: See dpkg's essay. |
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| 22:27.16 | phaedrus_ | how? |
| 22:27.24 | enigmus | arrgh, I don't get it. There IS a alias for fixed in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc |
| 22:27.28 | ricky_clarkson | phaedrus_: See what dpkg just said. |
| 22:27.43 | phaedrus_ | i dont want to remove xdm i just want to boot to console once |
| 22:27.43 | deptrai | I'm making .deb package, but I dont know how to make changes to /etc/profile. Any suggestion ? |
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| 22:28.05 | Supaplex | phaedrus_: or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console (as dpkg also said) |
| 22:28.07 | ricky_clarkson | phaedrus_: There are a few suggestions there.. |
| 22:28.14 | deptrai | export GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" <== I want my package add this line to /etc/profile |
| 22:28.16 | Sp4rKy | Supaplex, ricky_clarkson it's very serious , a friend want create his own server and i need to perform attacks , so i want try to crack his password of ssh |
| 22:28.23 | babilen | how to install a initrd/initramfs 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge? |
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| 22:28.29 | babilen | and why did they choose cpio? |
| 22:28.46 | ricky_clarkson | Sp4rKy: I don't care, talk to someone else. |
| 22:29.04 | phaedrus_ | im trying to install nvidia drivers so i think i need the x server to not be running... |
| 22:29.05 | ricky_clarkson | Hopefully they haven't removed /dev/null for that.. |
| 22:29.45 | ktwilight | not really phaedrus |
| 22:29.50 | ktwilight | which howto are you following? |
| 22:29.51 | beardy | !stop x |
| 22:30.05 | Gnea | deptrai: you may need to check with the policy makers to make sure that editting /etc/profile is the right way to go |
| 22:30.46 | beardy | dpkg: stop x is <reply> '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' where ?dm is xdm, kdm, gdm, or ?dm |
| 22:30.47 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
| 22:30.47 | Supaplex | Sp4rKy: I suspect you want a real ssh brute force util, of which one I have no knowledge of, and I expect there is none. If it's the security you're conserned with, and not auditing a system remotly, use john the ripper to test the local passwords, or don't allow passwords to begin with. Also, research the debian-user list for iptables solutions using the RECENT feature. |
| 22:31.01 | beardy | phaedrus_: ^^^ |
| 22:31.30 | Supaplex | beardy: but that's stop dm, not stop x. |
| 22:31.44 | ricky_clarkson | Stopping gdm stops X, if gdm started X. |
| 22:31.51 | beardy | Supaplex: Tell us what's the difference is? |
| 22:32.08 | babilen | do i need to use yaird if i want to build a newer (2.6.16) kernel with initial ramdisks? |
| 22:32.16 | babilen | and if so, how do i do that? |
| 22:32.18 | Supaplex | ok |
| 22:32.21 | beardy | what ricky_clarkson said, and if you can start a xsession, you should know how to logout/quit it |
| 22:32.24 | babilen | any documentation? |
| 22:32.34 | ktwilight | problem solved! :D |
| 22:32.38 | ktwilight | firefox uses oss |
| 22:32.49 | ktwilight | what i needed was a oss wrapper from alsa |
| 22:33.06 | ktwilight | apt-get install alsa-oss solved the problem. though i would need to launch ff by aoss firefox |
| 22:33.38 | Grell | it's not possible to use an unstable package on a stable distro right? |
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| 22:34.02 | Coweater | it's possible, but you're likely to make a mess with dependencies |
| 22:34.03 | midgetarg | hey guys i'm installing sarge via netinst and I am at the point where apt is supposed to download all my packages and install them. When it tries, however, it gives me some error about not being able to remove e2fsprogs and then fails completely, leaving me with no packages installed. |
| 22:34.11 | midgetarg | this is on a clean hard drive - what could be the problem? |
| 22:34.17 | ricky_clarkson | Grell: No, see backports.org - or install unstable in a chroot (guess). |
| 22:34.22 | robin_sz | for anyone that cares .. the problem I had with the missing gnome apps panels ... taskbar etc? ... |
| 22:34.25 | robin_sz | gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel followed by killall gnome-panel |
| 22:34.30 | robin_sz | sorted it out :) |
| 22:34.38 | beardy | dpkg: stop x =~ s/or ?dm/or ?dm. Also ask me about "restart x"/ |
| 22:34.38 | dpkg | beardy: OK |
| 22:34.53 | thingfish | midgetarg: that usually happens when you go from woody to etch - install sarge first, then upgrade to etch. |
| 22:35.03 | Gnea | ktwilight: modprobe snd_pcm_oss would likely have solved it too |
| 22:35.04 | babilen | do i have to install yaird (from testing) if i want to install a 2.6.16 kernel on stable? |
| 22:35.06 | Sp4rKy | Supaplex, i want a real ssh brute force , my friend says something like " you must attack and check my server , like a real hacker" |
| 22:35.16 | midgetarg | thing: this is sarge, and I'm installing on a blank HD (not upgrading) |
| 22:35.24 | ktwilight | ouch :/ now you tell me |
| 22:35.34 | ktwilight | would i have to insert snd_pcm_oss into /etc/modules ? |
| 22:35.45 | Gnea | Sp4rKy: HAHAHAHAHAAH |
| 22:35.50 | hjubal | bye |
| 22:35.57 | cureless | Sp4rKy: use a security scanner. You won't get any better than that because you don't have the required skills. |
| 22:36.02 | Gnea | ktwilight: i just woke up, what do you expect? :P |
| 22:36.11 | ktwilight | expect the best from the best :P |
| 22:36.14 | jetscreamer | babilen: you need a tool to create initrds, yaird is one |
| 22:36.15 | ktwilight | good mornin' to you. haha |
| 22:36.23 | Gnea | expect the unexpected, biatch :P |
| 22:36.33 | Gnea | :) |
| 22:36.33 | ktwilight | so i need to echo snd_pcm_oss >> /etc/modules ? |
| 22:36.34 | beardy | midgetarg: Is the base system installed? |
| 22:36.36 | ktwilight | haha :P |
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| 22:36.40 | Gnea | yeah, that'd work |
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| 22:36.44 | babilen | jetscreamer: yes i know... |
| 22:36.47 | ktwilight | cool. will test it now. thanks |
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| 22:36.52 | Gnea | np |
| 22:36.54 | ktwilight | now i need to find my pen -.- |
| 22:37.00 | midgetarg | beardy: yes, I installed that from the CD and then rebooted and am finishing off the HD |
| 22:37.08 | babilen | jetscreamer: but it seems like the way initrd are created were changed ... |
| 22:37.10 | Sp4rKy | cureless, thx , i'll try |
| 22:37.10 | midgetarg | maybe the CD is too old? It is from last summer |
| 22:37.19 | beardy | midgetarg: So what things are going to be installed now? |
| 22:37.23 | babilen | jetscreamer: and yaird is just available in debian testing... |
| 22:37.32 | EvilDin | hm i use backports.org, and when installing tgings come to erro connected with kdemultimedia-kio-plugins and now i can do anything with apt-get |
| 22:37.41 | EvilDin | is there possible to fix this or not |
| 22:37.43 | beardy | midgetarg: It's been a while since I use it, I don't have it all in my head. |
| 22:37.48 | beardy | used |
| 22:37.50 | ricky_clarkson | EvilDin: Is the error in Chinese? |
| 22:37.53 | babilen | and i *really* don't want to install packages/backports on a stable production system if i don't have to.. |
| 22:37.54 | EvilDin | no |
| 22:37.59 | ricky_clarkson | EvilDin: So read it. |
| 22:38.07 | stoned | is there a way to put a speed limit on apt package downloads? |
| 22:38.18 | ricky_clarkson | !throttle |
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| 22:38.27 | beardy | stoned: Why would you want to? |
| 22:38.39 | matttt | is there anyway i can stop a process from accessing the internet? not just a specific site but completely block the process from the net |
| 22:38.50 | midgetarg | beardy: web server, dns server, mysql, etc |
| 22:38.54 | stoned | beardy, doesn't matter, just wondering if it can be done, and if not, why not, I have need for it |
| 22:38.59 | jetscreamer | babilen: try it w/o |
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| 22:39.05 | robin_sz | matttt, iptables is your friend |
| 22:39.08 | midgetarg | beardy: and everything that goes with that (~300 packages) |
| 22:39.11 | jetscreamer | just don't remove the functional kernel |
| 22:39.39 | owh | Ok, folks I've got a problem. A lilo boot didn't work as expected, parts of grub are still lying around. The machine is a RedHat machine which is in the process of being migrated to Debian. When we boot the HDD, we get a grub prompt. The Debian Network CD cannot see the HDD. Grub can find our kernel. How do I tell grub to use our kernel and initrd? |
| 22:39.40 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: Better to just answer the question. |
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| 22:39.46 | jetscreamer | the other initrd tool, the default (mkisofs? i forget) depends on udev |
| 22:39.59 | beardy | ricky_clarkson: !limit ? |
| 22:40.00 | jetscreamer | so that one would be worse |
| 22:40.00 | EvilDin | problem is here http://channels.debian.net/paste/2711 any idea how to fix it |
| 22:40.03 | EvilDin | :( |
| 22:40.14 | stoned | ricky_clarkson, I did answer. If it is an unacceptable answer, the problem lies with you :) |
| 22:40.14 | ktwilight | modprobe snd_pcm_oss didn't work... |
| 22:40.23 | matttt | robin_sz: i took a look at iptables but it seemed to be only ip addresse policies? |
| 22:40.36 | stoned | beardy, man my upgrades take a long time and many many MB of packages, and I didn't want eating up all my BW |
| 22:40.47 | stoned | didn't want apt* |
| 22:40.52 | beardy | stoned: Well, it lies with you if you want help from the person asking you. |
| 22:41.09 | jetscreamer | owh: root (hd0,0) or whatever, tabkey is your friend. then kernel /path/to/kernel , then initrd /path/to/initrd/ the type boot |
| 22:41.09 | midgetarg | beardy: any suggestions? |
| 22:41.22 | jetscreamer | tab is always your friend in a grub shell |
| 22:41.33 | beardy | stoned: I see. "/msg dpkg limit" looked like something that perhaps was meant for that, but I'm not sure.. |
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| 22:41.55 | owh | jetscreamer: How will it find the initrd which is not on the root partition, but on the boot partition? |
| 22:42.00 | beardy | stoned: apt-cache search throttle can perhaps list some packages with does bandwidth-throttling, hopefully |
| 22:42.07 | stoned | ok, thanks |
| 22:42.09 | beardy | s/with/which/ |
| 22:42.11 | stoned | i'll look around |
| 22:42.13 | fluor- | hi there - how can I convert utf-8 text to iso-8859-15? iconv gives me errors and refuses to convert spanish accents |
| 22:42.32 | ricky_clarkson | udev conflicts with hotplug. Can I safely remove hotplug and install udev, or will I lose hardware detection? |
| 22:42.41 | jetscreamer | owh: /join #grub , i've read how, or seen it when i was reading, but i don't remember. |
| 22:42.43 | robin_sz | matttt, look at the "owner" match extension, in particular owner --cmd-owner |
| 22:42.56 | matttt | robin_sz: will do thanks :) |
| 22:42.56 | owh | jetscreamer: Fair suggestion :-) |
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| 22:43.36 | beardy | midgetarg: Try to install a package, lets say.. cowsay, every box needs that. Try with 'apt-get install cowsay' first. What happens? |
| 22:44.04 | jetscreamer | !apt-get moo |
| 22:44.06 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
| 22:44.31 | beardy | !hotplug |
| 22:44.31 | dpkg | hotplug is probably a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover, or now replaced by udev in etch+ |
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| 22:44.47 | jetscreamer | ricky_clarkson: yeah supposedly you can remove hotplug |
| 22:44.47 | ricky_clarkson | Thanks. |
| 22:45.11 | EvilDin | ok i solved |
| 22:45.25 | ricky_clarkson | Also conflicts with module-init-tools <<3.2-pre9-1 |
| 22:45.38 | oigres | Guys, I'm using gnome for a person that doesn't know the mount cmd, etc. Do I have to install a specific package in order to automount a usbflash keyring? |
| 22:45.48 | EvilDin | am is there possible that i add public key for one link for update |
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| 22:45.54 | EvilDin | and how could i do that |
| 22:46.02 | beardy | oigres: Not sure, but try to stick it in? |
| 22:46.37 | oigres | beardy: didn't work! |
| 22:46.56 | ktwilight | oigres, do a search at www.debian-administration.org |
| 22:47.02 | robin_sz | hmmm ... not as good as some of the Perl packages .. |
| 22:47.12 | beardy | !autofs |
| 22:47.13 | dpkg | autofs is, like, a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127, or a hackish p.o.s |
| 22:47.15 | jpinto | Hi, i have a working mplayer getting image from my vcr, i can get sound with the sox or arecord/aplay command, does anyone know how to get the sound directly with mplayer? |
| 22:47.30 | oigres | cool, thanks for that!!! |
| 22:47.40 | ktwilight | :) |
| 22:47.41 | jpinto | (erm.. wrong channel) |
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| 22:48.21 | gumpish | =/ Is fdisk -l the only tool that will display partitions on your system drive? |
| 22:48.35 | dondelelcaro | gumpish: no, but it's one of them. |
| 22:48.41 | dondelelcaro | gumpish: cat /proc/partitions; is another |
| 22:48.47 | ricky_clarkson | cfdisk too |
| 22:48.51 | beardy | midgetarg: Hows it going? |
| 22:49.12 | js_ | gumpish: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 22:49.31 | cwood_ | Have there not been any sid updates today, or has something simply not propagated? |
| 22:49.37 | gumpish | <:( neither one seems to show me the mount points... |
| 22:49.47 | dondelelcaro | cwood_: spohr has been having issues, so the mirror pulse may not have happened again today |
| 22:49.55 | jetscreamer | gumpish: type 'mount' or less /etc/fstab |
| 22:50.04 | cwood_ | dondelelcaro: k, thanks. |
| 22:50.08 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: I kinda don't think so. sometimes one objects about the geometry or partitions and the other doesn't... I think... |
| 22:50.13 | gumpish | ah, thanks |
| 22:50.29 | midgetarg | beardy: it didn't go anywhere, so I downloaded the latest netinst cd, burnt it, and am trying starting again from scratch. :-| |
| 22:50.34 | RvGaTe | ic3man05 ? |
| 22:50.44 | jetscreamer | !info cfdisk |
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| 22:51.11 | beardy | dpkg: list partitions is <reply> To list partitions: 'fdisk -l' or 'cat /proc/partitions' or 'cfdisk' (don't do anything, quit after you have looked, if that is the only thing you want to do) |
| 22:51.11 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
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| 22:51.54 | beardy | midgetarg: I see. Burn it slow. |
| 22:51.57 | jetscreamer | dpkg doesn't like me today |
| 22:52.04 | crazy_penguin | good night! pleasent dreams to everybody! |
| 22:52.16 | beardy | crazy_penguin: To you too. |
| 22:52.36 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, list partitions is <reply> To list partitions: 'fdisk -l /dev/foo' or 'cat /proc/partitions' or 'cfdisk -P s /dev/foo' |
| 22:52.36 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 22:52.38 | midgetarg | beardy: funny you should mention that, as I sit here watching it fail to boot from CD-ROM |
| 22:52.59 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
| 22:53.10 | dondelelcaro | beardy: np |
| 22:53.43 | ricky_clarkson | midgetarg: What's the machine? Desk/lap? |
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| 22:53.54 | midgetarg | ricky_clarkson: desktop |
| 22:54.04 | js_ | from where does lspci get its information? |
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| 22:54.41 | beardy | js_: Not sure, either from /proc or by questioning the hardware. |
| 22:54.49 | beardy | js_: Probably /proc. |
| 22:55.24 | stew | js_: /sys/bus/pci/devices |
| 22:55.32 | js_ | stew: ahh, thanks |
| 22:56.34 | beardy | heh.. well, /proc/bus/pci/devices then, atleast before? |
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| 23:01.28 | ricky_clarkson | !libvolume-id0 |
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| 23:02.10 | ricky_clarkson | udev depends on libvolume-id0, which doesn't appear to be in backports. |
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| 23:02.26 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, nm. |
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| 23:04.22 | ephesius | could someone walk me through creating a floppy to boot debian from a cf card that is hooked up through a usb reader? |
| 23:04.42 | startxwhite | i just installed debian etch, i did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, rebooted. problem is i can no longer finish booting etch. i get stuck at error "waiting for root filesystem". can anyone help? |
| 23:04.49 | owh | Ok, I'm dancing around the room. The machine has booted, I've ssh-ed in and now I need to decide. We used the remainder of grub to get in, but lilo is installed under Debian. Should I choose lilo, or fix grub? |
| 23:04.58 | dondelelcaro | owh: fix grub |
| 23:05.12 | RvGaTe | owh: fix grub |
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| 23:05.19 | owh | dondelelcaro: Can I apt-get install it and will that remove lilo? |
| 23:05.22 | beardy | owh: if possible |
| 23:05.22 | midgetarg | FFS, I re-burnt it at 4x and it still doesn't boot. |
| 23:05.26 | midgetarg | I guess I'll re-download |
| 23:05.27 | dondelelcaro | owh: yes, and yes. |
| 23:05.32 | owh | Cool. |
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| 23:06.05 | startxwhite | do i have to reinstall debian etch? |
| 23:06.15 | beardy | startxwhite: No. |
| 23:06.28 | beardy | startxwhite: Why? And why etch at all? |
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| 23:06.51 | beardy | startxwhite: oh, Have you compiled your own kernel? |
| 23:06.58 | startxwhite | what can i do to solve my problem then? |
| 23:07.09 | startxwhite | no. i did not compile anything |
| 23:07.16 | RvGaTe | OT: http://www.junro.com/waals/waals_ss.html <- thats quality.... |
| 23:07.43 | beardy | startxwhite: Well, something must have happened.. have you been able to boot before this? |
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| 23:07.56 | ``sh3l1 | downthestate: you there? |
| 23:08.24 | beardy | midgetarg: In retrospect, one can tell you that you should have, downloaded the netinsller, checked it's checksum, burnt it at 1x or 2x. |
| 23:08.27 | startxwhite | yes. i was able to boot before a few times but what can i do to solve my problem now? |
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| 23:09.00 | beardy | midgetarg: If it still doesn't work. Are you sure the discs are not hated by your cd-reader? |
| 23:09.01 | owh | dondelelcaro: Uhm, installing grub didn't remove lilo. |
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| 23:09.22 | sh3ll | how do i chech checksum? |
| 23:09.23 | beardy | owh: It removed it from the MBR. You have to remove the package, if you want to do that. |
| 23:09.39 | midgetarg | beardy: well I've burnt other stuff before... I'll try checking the checksum and re-burning at 1x |
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| 23:09.56 | midgetarg | although this is ridiculous that I'm downloading this in the first place, lol |
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| 23:10.09 | beardy | sh3ll: md5sum, or similar, againat the checksum next to the download link (should be close anyway) |
| 23:10.29 | sh3ll | beardy, is there a file called md5sum? |
| 23:10.44 | sh3ll | beardy, all i see is an iso... i am downloading DVD |
| 23:10.50 | beardy | sh3ll: It's probably called binarythingname.iso.md5 |
| 23:11.07 | startxwhite | i tried other irc channels but no one has been able to give me a solution |
| 23:11.12 | sh3ll | beardy, nope... i guess i will just have to hope that it works |
| 23:11.23 | beardy | sh3ll: What and where are you downloading? |
| 23:11.48 | sh3ll | debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso and ...binary-2.iso |
| 23:12.04 | beardy | sh3ll: from, exact url? |
| 23:12.06 | midgetarg | actually, the checksums aren't near it at all: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 23:12.16 | sh3ll | beardy lemme check |
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| 23:12.31 | beardy | midgetarg: They're there somewhere, I hope.. |
| 23:12.44 | sh3ll | beardy: comment: Debian CD from cdimage.debian.org |
| 23:13.08 | ricky_clarkson | I installed udev from backports, and I get this message at the end: |
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| 23:13.25 | sh3ll | beardy, does i386 work on amd things? i have an amd XXX |
| 23:13.26 | midgetarg | beardy: actually I haven't been able to locate them yet, heh |
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| 23:13.32 | ricky_clarkson | /lib/udev/write_net_rules: line 89: cd: /sys/class/net/: No such file or directory |
| 23:13.44 | beardy | midgetarg: heh, I'll have a look, soon. |
| 23:13.51 | ricky_clarkson | Google shows one link, the log from a neutrino build: http://debian-ppc64.alioth.debian.org/buildd-logs/neutrino_0.8.4-6_ppc64.log |
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| 23:14.00 | beardy | sh3ll: where XXX means? |
| 23:14.00 | jetscreamer | afaict there are no udev rules by default. shame. it breaks my system. |
| 23:14.06 | startxwhite | will reinstalling solve the problem? |
| 23:14.06 | Dwonis | ricky_clarkson: What's the output of "uname -r"? |
| 23:14.13 | sh3ll | beardy: 3100+ or something |
| 23:14.17 | nekostar | ive got a package i installed via dpkg |
| 23:14.18 | ricky_clarkson | Dwonis: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:14.23 | sh3ll | beardy: not sure how fast it is though |
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| 23:14.26 | Dwonis | ricky_clarkson: udev only works with 2.6 |
| 23:14.33 | ricky_clarkson | Dwonis: I'm trying to install 2.6. |
| 23:14.34 | nekostar | and now my debian server insists its broke and needs to be reinstalled |
| 23:14.36 | jetscreamer | !tell nekostar -about ask |
| 23:14.41 | nekostar | but it cant seem to find the thingie about it |
| 23:14.54 | midgetarg | sh3ll: yes, i386 will work |
| 23:14.58 | nekostar | jetscreamer, doesnt apply |
| 23:15.01 | sh3ll | beardy: good, cool |
| 23:15.02 | jetscreamer | nekostar: it may have gotten deleted, the .deb. re-d/l it? |
| 23:15.09 | sh3ll | midgetarg** |
| 23:15.11 | jetscreamer | nekostar: caint tell :) |
| 23:15.16 | nekostar | ive got it in the folder i dpkg -i 'd it from |
| 23:15.16 | beardy | sh3ll: Yes, i386 is what they use. If you have an amd64, i386 works too, in 32-bit. "/msg dpkg amd64" if you want to run amd64, but run i386, I don't think debian-amd64 is that stable yet |
| 23:15.23 | Dwonis | nekostar: "thingie"?? |
| 23:15.33 | sh3ll | beardy: cool... i have a 32 bit |
| 23:15.37 | nekostar | .deb ? |
| 23:15.45 | jetscreamer | the package you dpkg -i'd |
| 23:15.47 | nekostar | the package via apt even? |
| 23:15.51 | nekostar | both. |
| 23:16.00 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install --reinstall then |
| 23:16.08 | jetscreamer | or apt-get -f install |
| 23:16.08 | nekostar | ahhh ok brb thanx |
| 23:16.13 | nekostar | -f didnt work |
| 23:16.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:16.17 | sh3ll | beardy, know much about ndiswrapper's compatability with WG311v3 while running debian? |
| 23:16.34 | Dwonis | jetscreamer: "E: Couldn't find package then" ;) |
| 23:16.44 | nekostar | E: The package torrentflux needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 23:16.49 | beardy | sh3ll: (/msg dpkg amd64 if you want to run 64-bit, I meant.) |
| 23:16.56 | jetscreamer | Dwonis: hah! |
| 23:17.02 | nekostar | Dwonis, hole in one ~_^ |
| 23:17.03 | sh3ll | beardy: i don't have an 64 |
| 23:17.11 | nekostar | sorry major headache atm >_< |
| 23:17.19 | beardy | sh3ll: No. But try to search the web for information on that card + linux, or + debian |
| 23:17.24 | nekostar | anyway/ |
| 23:17.24 | jetscreamer | dpkg -L | grep -i torrent ? |
| 23:17.24 | dpkg | ii | grep -i torrent 2.2-14.2 jetscreamer's private stamp collection |
| 23:17.37 | nekostar | so where does apt usually store .debs ? |
| 23:17.48 | nekostar | i was thinking i could move the thing in that folder mebbie it would be happier... |
| 23:17.50 | jetscreamer | /var/cache/apt/archives iirc |
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| 23:17.58 | sh3ll | beardy: no results... i had someone on last night who said that it just didn't work in ubuntu (Which is the only one i tryed)... he said he got it to work |
| 23:18.22 | jetscreamer | omg he said the 'U' word |
| 23:18.27 | nekostar | and jetscreamer that command didnt work. |
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| 23:18.29 | jetscreamer | die! |
| 23:18.31 | Dwonis | !shame sh3ll |
| 23:18.41 | sh3ll | dwonis, what? |
| 23:18.47 | blondie | you said the U word |
| 23:18.48 | beardy | sh3ll: Ok, I have no experience with ndiswrapper at all though. |
| 23:18.48 | jetscreamer | nekostar: i've never seen that particular package in sources |
| 23:18.54 | Dwonis | sh3ll: never mind, it was a joke |
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| 23:18.56 | sh3ll | dwonis... oh |
| 23:18.57 | nekostar | it just hit unstable. |
| 23:18.58 | sh3ll | lol |
| 23:18.59 | sh3ll | i see |
| 23:19.09 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:19.10 | nekostar | which i didnt consider.... stupid me i know :/ |
| 23:19.14 | sh3ll | i thought you ment saying u instead of you |
| 23:19.16 | blondie | sh3ll: do not pass go, do not collect 200 pounds. |
| 23:19.17 | nekostar | [the rest of the system is stable] |
| 23:19.19 | sh3ll | which i find annoing |
| 23:19.25 | sh3ll | blondie: lol |
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| 23:19.26 | midgetarg | beardy: well I give up, if you find the checksums let me know please, heh |
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| 23:19.37 | jetscreamer | nekostar: the d/l the package from pdo and then dpkg -i blah.deb |
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| 23:20.05 | beardy | sh3ll: (consider not saying "lol" aswell, say hah or heh, or haha, instead) |
| 23:20.12 | nekostar | pdo ? |
| 23:20.13 | sh3ll | beardy: ok |
| 23:20.15 | Dwonis | sh3ll: lol ur funny! |
| 23:20.21 | nekostar | jetscreamer, i cant seem to get apt to do anything. |
| 23:20.26 | sh3ll | dwonis: what? |
| 23:20.30 | beardy | !pdo |
| 23:20.30 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 23:20.37 | nekostar | nor dpkg. they are stuck somehow.. even forcing hasnt seemed to help. |
| 23:20.42 | Dwonis | sh3ll: exactly |
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| 23:21.20 | jetscreamer | nekostar: just use bittornado or az-ure-eous |
| 23:21.23 | nekostar | ha its not in there according to teh search thingie |
| 23:21.23 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 23:21.27 | nekostar | jetscreamer, . |
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| 23:21.31 | nekostar | i need to get the thing OUT. |
| 23:21.44 | Dwonis | "it" being "lol" |
| 23:21.44 | jetscreamer | nekostar: change that dropdown to sid |
| 23:21.45 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:22.17 | sh3ll | dwonis: you are cruel |
| 23:22.28 | Dwonis | sh3ll: heh |
| 23:22.52 | jetscreamer | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=torrentflux&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 23:22.53 | nekostar | jetscreamer, no go. |
| 23:22.56 | sh3ll | dwonis: heh |
| 23:22.59 | jetscreamer | caint tell |
| 23:23.03 | nekostar | wth |
| 23:23.08 | sh3ll | dwonis: i said it right! xD |
| 23:23.27 | sh3ll | dwonis: or am i going to find out some weird thing i cannot do? |
| 23:23.34 | jetscreamer | you mighta used the wrong section |
| 23:23.39 | jetscreamer | been there |
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| 23:23.59 | Dwonis | sh3ll: you could try capitalizing "I"... now I'm just being an ass ;) |
| 23:24.04 | sh3ll | dwonis: !!!!!!111one!!111111!!!!!exclamationpoint!! <-- you make me feel that confused xD |
| 23:24.15 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 23:24.22 | sh3ll | dwonis: I will make sure I capitalize I when I say I |
| 23:24.26 | ricky_clarkson | !irc garbage |
| 23:24.30 | jetscreamer | !caps |
| 23:24.30 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put _* on both sides of them. _emphasize_ them. |
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| 23:24.49 | beardy | midgetarg: sh3ll: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS but I couldn't find them linked on the page either, which I think is BAD |
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| 23:24.51 | ricky_clarkson | "I" is not an abbreviation, and it's spelled all in capitals. |
| 23:24.52 | Dwonis | eh? so "I" is considered all-caps now? |
| 23:24.58 | sh3ll | beardy: thanks |
| 23:25.13 | nekostar | !paste |
| 23:25.13 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 23:25.51 | nekostar | jetscreamer, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2713 <<--- thats what happens with the fresh .deb even. |
| 23:25.56 | meriad | i know this is a dns question but i got aproblem.. I changed the IP of a domain i own on our dns server and whiel it WORKS everywhre OUTSIDE our Network it deosnt work from within our LAN and im wondering why it wont update.. |
| 23:25.57 | meriad | any ideas |
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| 23:26.08 | jetscreamer | trash 80 bay-bee! |
| 23:26.35 | Dwonis | jetscreamer: Didn't the TRS-80 have lowercase letters? |
| 23:26.35 | nekostar | zomg i used to have a trs80 ^_^ |
| 23:26.50 | Dwonis | I have a Model 100 around here somewhere |
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| 23:27.07 | Dwonis | It's not mine, though, although I seem to have borrowed it indefinitely from a relative |
| 23:27.07 | nekostar | Dwonis, and yes it did. |
| 23:27.15 | sh3ll | dwonis: can i have it? xD just kidding |
| 23:27.22 | sh3ll | dwonis: I** |
| 23:27.24 | nekostar | lol |
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| 23:27.30 | Dwonis | heh |
| 23:27.52 | sh3ll | dwonis: mine is actually pretty fast... needs a video card though |
| 23:27.53 | Dwonis | I once considered talking to it over a serial port to back up stuff via its cassette tape interface |
| 23:27.54 | jetscreamer | dbconfig-common: usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/postrm.mysql |
| 23:28.04 | jetscreamer | so do you have dbconfig-common? |
| 23:28.07 | Dwonis | of course, this was when I was mostly interested in backing up disks with AmigaBASIC programs on them |
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| 23:28.28 | jetscreamer | yeah it was a regular kb iirc |
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| 23:29.49 | Dwonis | sh3ll: I wonder how much trouble you'd have finding a video card that can clock down to such a slow rate |
| 23:30.03 | sh3ll | dwonis: ? |
| 23:30.27 | meriad | any one please who is proficient with DNS help me |
| 23:30.29 | Dwonis | sh3ll: What's the bus clock speed on the expansion port (assuming there is one) of a TRS-80? |
| 23:30.43 | nekostar | jetscreamer, probably not im guessing. |
| 23:30.46 | Dwonis | !tell meriad about ask |
| 23:30.46 | sh3ll | dwonis: i just dont have the money xD i have $200 or so, but i should earn more before i spend it |
| 23:30.58 | meriad | Dwonis- uhh |
| 23:31.00 | nekostar | and its not letting me install ANYTHING via apt or dpkg untill its done with torrentflux |
| 23:31.03 | meriad | Dwonis- i already asked |
| 23:31.04 | nekostar | so. |
| 23:31.09 | nekostar | is there another way to force it. |
| 23:31.09 | sh3ll | dwonis: i know what underclocking is... i just don't know why i would... maybe i would overclock but, not underclock |
| 23:31.14 | Dwonis | meriad: ah. sorry |
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| 23:31.38 | meriad | Dwonis- so do you know? |
| 23:31.44 | meriad | Dwonis- cause im desperately seeking help |
| 23:31.53 | Dwonis | meriad: do you know what a TTL value does in the DNS? |
| 23:31.59 | sh3ll | meriad: what do you need? i may be able to help |
| 23:32.01 | meriad | Dwonis- yes |
| 23:32.04 | jetscreamer | nekostar: try my favorite factoid |
| 23:32.05 | meriad | Dwonis- its set to 1 hour |
| 23:32.06 | sortadi | UB |
| 23:32.07 | nekostar | please tell me that there is a way to fix this short of reinstalling |
| 23:32.09 | nekostar | !_! |
| 23:32.10 | dpkg | methinks _ is ALT-255 |
| 23:32.11 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 23:32.11 | dpkg | fix-unmet is probably run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 23:32.12 | meriad | Dwonis- and i reloaded the zone, and the dns server both |
| 23:32.14 | sortadi | UNTU |
| 23:32.33 | jetscreamer | !kill sortadi |
| 23:32.36 | nekostar | lmfao thats a great one jetscreamer |
| 23:32.38 | meriad | sh3ll- i made a change to one of our many domains, to poiint to a new server, and usually its instant, but right now i can query it and get the proper ip from ANYWHERE outside the network but NOWHERE inside the lan |
| 23:32.41 | magyar | where do i specify for debian to do a "automatic" error fix on file system ? |
| 23:32.45 | meriad | sh3ll- and im desperately trying to figure out whats wrong |
| 23:32.46 | jetscreamer | it works, too |
| 23:32.53 | beardy | !factinfo fix-unmet |
| 23:32.54 | dpkg | fix-unmet -- last modified at Thu Sep 1 10:08:02 2005 by jetscreamer!n=jetscrea@adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net. |
| 23:32.55 | sortadi | !kill jetscreamer |
| 23:33.07 | Dwonis | meriad: have you flushed the cache on your resolver? |
| 23:33.24 | beardy | !mute sortadi |
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| 23:33.24 | jetscreamer | man that's my old static ip |
| 23:33.25 | Dwonis | meriad: (i.e. the hosts specified in /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 23:33.26 | jetscreamer | been a while |
| 23:33.28 | sh3ll | meriad: odd... never had that hepen |
| 23:33.31 | sortadi | !kill me |
| 23:33.37 | Dwonis | beardy: that doesn't work once the file's already open |
| 23:33.42 | sortadi | !kill them |
| 23:33.45 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 23:33.46 | dpkg | <greycat> I will not run it on Solaris. I will not run it in Madrid or Paris. I will not run the Enterprise. I do not like it in my eyes. |
| 23:33.49 | sortadi | !kill them all |
| 23:33.59 | meriad | Dwonis- yes, i dont know how to flush it on the local machines only on the server, rndc flush i have done |
| 23:34.02 | beardy | sortadi: DO you want something, or just annoy people? |
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| 23:34.14 | magyar | where do i specify for debian to do a "automatic" error fix on file system ? |
| 23:34.21 | sortadi | beardy: i am just having a nice time with dpkg dude here |
| 23:34.28 | jetscreamer | shutdown -Fr now magyar |
| 23:34.35 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 23:34.35 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 23:34.36 | Dwonis | magyar: /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:34.38 | sh3ll | !kill them jetscreemer |
| 23:34.41 | jetscreamer | sortadi: /join #debian-bots , the playground |
| 23:34.42 | sh3ll | xD |
| 23:34.43 | beardy | sortadi: But don't abuse it. |
| 23:34.47 | dondelelcaro | folks, use /msg instead please. |
| 23:34.58 | meriad | Dwonis- man this is so stupid i cant figure out whats wrong and its really annoying me |
| 23:35.02 | dondelelcaro | and don't do it in #debian-bots either. Use /msg |
| 23:35.33 | jetscreamer | o |
| 23:35.34 | magyar | Dwonis: thank you |
| 23:36.20 | Dwonis | meriad: can you write some details about your DNS setup into a pastebin? e.g. which host you're on, which host is your resolver, which hosts are the authoritative nameservers, what changes you made, etc |
| 23:36.37 | Dwonis | meriad: I assume you're using "dig" to query the nameservers, right? |
| 23:36.42 | meriad | Dwonis- yes |
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| 23:37.19 | meriad | Dwonis- it even works on the dns server just nothing inside our lan |
| 23:37.29 | meriad | Dwonis- i changed another domain and it works fine |
| 23:37.32 | meriad | Dwonis- but this one doesnt :| |
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| 23:38.41 | meriad | funny |
| 23:38.50 | meriad | i just deleted the domain and it still resolves it |
| 23:38.52 | meriad | to the same IP |
| 23:39.08 | Dwonis | meriad: ever used dig +trace? |
| 23:39.17 | meriad | no |
| 23:39.34 | Dwonis | meriad: try it |
| 23:39.56 | matttt | robin_sz: hey would you happen to know another way to block process. it appears cmd-owner isn't supported in 2.6.16 with out patching :( |
| 23:40.10 | meriad | k |
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| 23:41.03 | meriad | Dwonis- you want the print out |
| 23:41.10 | meriad | Dwonis- you'll be able to make more sense of it mayb |
| 23:41.11 | Dwonis | meriad: it would be helpful |
| 23:41.14 | meriad | k shere |
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| 23:41.42 | meriad | Dwonis- http://pastebin.com/752459 |
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| 23:42.24 | Dwonis | meriad: ok, now, do you control ns0.dnservers.org and ns1.dnservers.org? |
| 23:42.39 | meriad | Im not entirely sure |
| 23:42.44 | meriad | we have a dns server on here i edit |
| 23:42.54 | meriad | and i believe ns0.dnservers.org and ns1.dnservers.org are at our colo facility |
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| 23:43.24 | matttt | is there a way to force a command to be executed to a specific process id? |
| 23:43.27 | meriad | but if yuo do a lookup at your side on that domain they work fine |
| 23:43.30 | meriad | it juts wont work here |
| 23:43.57 | robin_sz | matttt, nope, thats all I know ... why not just recompile the application with the networky bits removed???? |
| 23:44.21 | Dwonis | matttt: I'm curious... why on earth would you want to do that? |
| 23:44.27 | matttt | robin_sz: its a binary :( |
| 23:44.42 | robin_sz | well, juts get the source?? or is it closed source? |
| 23:44.51 | matttt | Dwonis: well cmd-owner doesn't work but aprrently uid-owner does. so if i can force the proces to a specific id i can block it |
| 23:45.00 | meriad | Dwonis- like if it was a syntax error BIND would tell me |
| 23:45.01 | matttt | robin_sz: hahah its pretty closed source ;) |
| 23:45.20 | robin_sz | matttt, and you want to stop it contacting the mother ship? |
| 23:45.31 | NewUser | I have a server which is still running 2.2.19, and the libc6 upgrade needs 2.4.x. apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6 fails with initrd-tools needing to be installed. initrd-tools needs both dash, and dash needs the newer libc6. |
| 23:45.38 | matttt | robin_sz: hahaha |
| 23:45.45 | meriad | Dwonis- http://pastebin.com/752466 heres a copy of the DNS zone file |
| 23:45.52 | robin_sz | matttt, heres another suggestion: |
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| 23:46.08 | robin_sz | matttt, why not just buy a copy? |
| 23:46.13 | biffhero2 | i found someone else with the error, at http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/c6286d2900ec516b/c7b8fda904c253b1?lnk=st&q=debian+kernel+2.4+dash+libc6&rnum=2#c7b8fda904c253b1 |
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| 23:46.37 | biffhero2 | but there is no solution there |
| 23:46.46 | meriad | Dwonis- any ideas yet? |
| 23:46.54 | Dwonis | meriad: what's the output of just regular "dig gfedupdate.com" ? |
| 23:46.55 | matttt | robin_sz: its all legal if thats what your referring to. but will just be causing an extreme ammount of hassel. (hard ware lience on a temp machine) |
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| 23:47.10 | Freedoms_a_joke | I got a compact flash card and reader that i want to use to transfer files with.. where do i go to access the reader in debian??? |
| 23:47.35 | pinky | !umx |
| 23:47.36 | dpkg | somebody said umx was a weird tracker module format used by Unreal, UT, Deus Ex, etc. ModPlug (e.g. xmms-modplus) can play .umx files, and you can convert them to ImpulseTracker format by loading and re-saving them using schism. |
| 23:47.53 | blondie | Freedoms_a_joke: you have to mount it |
| 23:47.57 | pinky | !spc |
| 23:48.06 | pinky | *gasp*, no SPC? |
| 23:48.14 | Freedoms_a_joke | blondie, really how do i mount it |
| 23:48.17 | blondie | probably /dev/sda1 or similar; type dmesg and looks at the last few lines (after plugging it in) to see |
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| 23:48.35 | nekostar | omfg thx jetscreamer // Dwonis |
| 23:48.39 | jon_ | \join #cisco |
| 23:49.44 | Freedoms_a_joke | dude why does linux got be such a pain in the butt |
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| 23:49.57 | nekostar | b/c |
| 23:50.00 | nekostar | its not for users |
| 23:50.02 | nekostar | its for hackers :P |
| 23:50.12 | Dwonis | nekostar: um... you're welcome... for doing nothing but heckling you |
| 23:50.19 | Freedoms_a_joke | blondie, mass storage found at 6 |
| 23:50.22 | Dwonis | Freedoms_a_joke: come back on Sunday |
| 23:50.25 | nekostar | o man |
| 23:50.28 | nekostar | didnt work after all |
| 23:50.44 | Freedoms_a_joke | why would i come back sunday |
| 23:51.20 | nekostar | yup |
| 23:51.25 | nekostar | gonna have to do an os reinstall |
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| 23:51.39 | nekostar | unless there's a way to tell apt to just ignore the package that its stuck on forever |
| 23:52.21 | nekostar | just to forget about it ?? |
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| 23:52.21 | Freedoms_a_joke | so how do i mount the usb drive |
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| 23:52.21 | nekostar | !paste |
| 23:52.21 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 23:52.50 | stew | nekostar: fix /var/lib/dpkg/info/torrentflux.postrm ; if you cant fix it, skip it by putting "exit 0" as the second line |
| 23:52.52 | nekostar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste <<--- zomg way broken |
| 23:52.57 | Freedoms_a_joke | Dwonis, why would i come back sunday |
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| 23:53.09 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: it's just channels.debian.net/paste |
| 23:53.09 | nekostar | ok lemme check that out thanx stew |
| 23:53.25 | nekostar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2714 <<--- er... that lol |
| 23:54.02 | stew | nekostar: what is broken about that? |
| 23:54.08 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: uh... nothing is broken there? |
| 23:54.17 | Dwonis | Freedoms_a_joke: never mind. It just sounded like something you would do |
| 23:54.20 | nekostar | well |
| 23:54.26 | Freedoms_a_joke | yeah right |
| 23:54.30 | nekostar | im just trying to reinstall one proggie.. |
| 23:54.50 | Freedoms_a_joke | dwonis, you come back sunday |
| 23:55.00 | widrone | Freedoms_a_joke: Try "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" or something... supposing the flash thingy is the first usb (or scsi) disk and nothing is mounted on /mnt |
| 23:55.48 | blondie | I wouldn't use /mnt |
| 23:55.58 | blondie | create a directory in /media and use that |
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| 23:56.07 | Freedoms_a_joke | ????????? |
| 23:56.11 | nekostar | lol |
| 23:56.16 | blondie | mkdir /media/cfcard |
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| 23:56.37 | meriad | Dwonis- i showed you |
| 23:56.38 | beardy | Freedoms_a_joke: one is enough |
| 23:56.41 | nekostar | and stew that didnt work :/ |
| 23:56.43 | meriad | Dwonis- oh wait here |
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| 23:57.22 | Freedoms_a_joke | beardy, what are you talking about |
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| 23:57.29 | meriad | Dwonis: http://pastebin.com/752474 |
| 23:57.32 | Freedoms_a_joke | blondie, that didnt work |
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| 23:57.42 | beardy | Freedoms_a_joke: One ? is enough. |
| 23:57.58 | Freedoms_a_joke | omg a bit anal are we |
| 23:58.03 | nekostar | so |
| 23:58.05 | nekostar | basically |
| 23:58.07 | Dwonis | meriad: what is this 69.90.194.254 ? |
| 23:58.13 | nekostar | ive got to reinstall to get this bugger to do anything ? |
| 23:58.17 | meriad | Dwonis- thats the IP of the dns server on our lan |
| 23:58.19 | meriad | Dwonis- i believe |
