| 00:00.15 | Arafangion | maher: I tried Ubuntu and really, really liked it, but then I found that updates weren't as relible as one would like, and I seriously question automatic kernel upgrades. |
| 00:00.19 | emdash_ | unfortunately not the packages i need |
| 00:00.29 | mirak | maher: do you see what I am talking about ? |
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| 00:00.31 | Arafangion | maher: Unfortunately I don't see kqemu in there :( |
| 00:00.51 | |ryan| | maher: module-assistnt wqorked, tyvm |
| 00:00.55 | maher | mirak: umm... no |
| 00:01.01 | maher | |ryan|: cool |
| 00:01.12 | mirak | maher: the installer on the install cd |
| 00:01.21 | mirak | maher: there is a menu |
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| 00:01.38 | mirak | maher: I want to run that one |
| 00:02.13 | Arafangion | maher: For the longest time backports was the only reason I could use Stable, though. When I was using Potato, I needed a more recent Samba version! |
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| 00:02.48 | mirak | maher: do you see what I am talking about ? |
| 00:03.16 | mirak | I apt-get source debian-installer but can't find the corresponding script/application |
| 00:03.19 | Arafangion | mirak: Yes, I know what you're talking about, trying to remember what it is called. |
| 00:03.21 | maher | mirak: ok - i dunno - maybe start by looking at debian-installer-manual |
| 00:03.46 | mirak | I have the docs |
| 00:03.51 | Arafangion | maher: I believe he's talking about that utility that allows you to install "Desktop Environment", "Printer system", and other really broad categories. |
| 00:04.05 | maher | mirak: Arafangion that's tasksel |
| 00:04.35 | mirak | Arafangion: not really, that's the menu where you select partitioning, setup the bootloader etcetera |
| 00:04.39 | Arafangion | maher: That's it. |
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| 00:06.02 | ic3man05 | anybody using nvidia+etch and having problems with xorg7 go here http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-6487522167fb024609e6b3cdf5f25a2969697fff |
| 00:06.13 | ic3man05 | nvidia module path was wrong |
| 00:06.31 | mirak | maher: thanks |
| 00:06.32 | charzero | how do i use decimals with dc? |
| 00:06.47 | Arafangion | charzero: You have to set the precision you want, afaik. |
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| 00:07.46 | yassine | is there any known radio software/hardware project that is linux based ? ( no radio streaming but real old radio transmition ) |
| 00:07.48 | mirak | maher: I was wondering if I can use that to install a system to another partition from a running debian |
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| 00:08.11 | maher | mirak: you can't use tasksel, but you can use debootstrap to do that |
| 00:08.33 | ic3man05 | how do you get glxgears to display fps again? |
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| 00:08.46 | mirak | maher: but debootstrap is just a piece of the chain |
| 00:09.03 | Arafangion | ic3man05: Why do you care about glxgear's fps? it's so insignificant it's not funny. |
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| 00:09.20 | Arafangion | ic3man05: Just make sure it works smoothly. |
| 00:09.35 | mart- | ic3man05: glxgears -printfps, note that it's not a useful benchmark. |
| 00:09.37 | Arafangion | ic3man05: If you do care about fps, run something that really _does_ stress the graphics card. |
| 00:09.50 | maher | mirak: you need to make the partition and fs, then run debootstrap, then install what you want (possibly using tasksel), and remmeber to make things bootable by installing and configuring grub at som epoint |
| 00:09.54 | mirak | maher: ok, so I deboostrap, then chroot and apt-get tasksel and run it ? |
| 00:10.01 | maher | mirak: yes |
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| 00:10.22 | TheWahbinator | except right now, debootstrap sid seems to have some problems |
| 00:10.54 | maher | TheWahbinator: sid is the bad boy who breaks your toys... |
| 00:11.20 | mart- | TheWahbinator: yeah, I tried it today. I had to debootstrap testing and update to sid. |
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| 00:11.40 | TheWahbinator | at least he's a kid, since that etch-a-sketch has been around for many years... |
| 00:11.46 | TheWahbinator | who knows how old that guy in the army is |
| 00:12.11 | Arafangion | Some people just never grow up. |
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| 00:13.36 | curt | I a-g update last night and the xserver updates borked my xorg does dpkg have a key for this |
| 00:14.06 | Arafangion | curt: A "key"? |
| 00:14.17 | Arafangion | curt: You running Sid? |
| 00:14.46 | Vasistha | hrm, I'd like to find out if a package in /var/cache/apt/archives is installed, or an older version I've since upgraded. how to query whether a .deb is installed? |
| 00:14.47 | ic3man05 | arafangion/mart-: I use it to determine if the nvidia drivers are working right, 100fps is a lot different from 7000 |
| 00:15.08 | curt | Arafangion: no, etch and I mean did someone tell dpkg already how I might fix it so I don't have to bother you as much |
| 00:15.08 | formorer | Vasistha: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 00:15.22 | Arafangion | curt: I thought you meant a GPG key. |
| 00:16.29 | curt | I actually get a no screens found as the only reall E in the log and the dpkg-re.. xserver-xorg does actually go through the screen part anymore. |
| 00:16.48 | curt | s/does/doesn't |
| 00:16.49 | pppoe_dude | :) |
| 00:17.40 | TheWahbinator | does sid have all of gnome 2.14 |
| 00:17.53 | TheWahbinator | since the status page doesn't show anything |
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| 00:19.54 | tarzeau | #debian doesn't exist! |
| 00:19.57 | tarzeau | host irc.debian.org |
| 00:19.57 | tarzeau | irc.debian.org CNAME irc.oftc.net |
| 00:19.58 | chealer | TheWahbinator: no |
| 00:20.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 00:20.04 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 00:20.12 | chealer | TheWahbinator: use Google's fine cache |
| 00:20.43 | TheWahbinator | it's outdated |
| 00:20.47 | TheWahbinator | I noticed control-center 2.14.1 was finally uploaded |
| 00:21.03 | peterS | tarzeau: noted in the topic already (: |
| 00:21.29 | tarzeau | peterS: :) my hero |
| 00:21.43 | peterS | tarzeau: oh, I'm not an op, I didn't have the power to change the topic. mentor did that |
| 00:21.46 | curt | !seen gravity |
| 00:21.48 | dpkg | gravity <n=david@pool-151-199-34-22.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 19h 11m 31s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 00:21.51 | dn4 | http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=73130913&blogID=128365651&MyToken=b8a7e526-c1b1-4886-9b74-36074b444fa1 |
| 00:22.53 | chealer | TheWahbinator: May 31th isn't so far away. you could just check a few packages and notice it's still missing some. happily thanks to a boost in NEW processing totem is now up-to-date :) |
| 00:24.51 | TheWahbinator | gnome nettool, but not much else |
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| 00:26.25 | chealer | TheWahbinator: if for some reason you have a real intereset in GNOME 2.14 being completely in sid, you'll want to stay tuned to NEW :-P |
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| 00:26.53 | TheWahbinator | first of all what do you mean by that |
| 00:27.08 | TheWahbinator | second of all I don't really care, was just wondering why the page was down |
| 00:27.36 | chealer | TheWahbinator: it's not an official page. maybe #debian-gnome would know |
| 00:27.47 | chealer | TheWahbinator: do you know what's NEW? |
| 00:27.54 | TheWahbinator | nope |
| 00:28.05 | chealer | !tell TheWahbinator about new |
| 00:28.20 | TheWahbinator | incoming.debian.org? |
| 00:29.11 | TheWahbinator | a long time ago, I went to #debian-gnome to ask why my 2.12 had the 2.14 splash screen |
| 00:29.22 | chealer | TheWahbinator: what do you mean... the contents of incoming.d.o are a separate part of incoming than NEW |
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| 00:35.28 | Diddymus | Hi, just upgraded to Xorg X11R7. Can anyone tell me why doing 'xterm' launches immediatly while 'xterm -fa "andale mono" -fs 8' now takes 7-8 seconds when it was immediate before? |
| 00:35.36 | leroy | hi |
| 00:36.17 | Diddymus | Seems anything with antialiased fonts is really slow to start now? (additional 7-8 secs) |
| 00:38.24 | Diddymus | BTW this is on Debian testing with fvwm using VIA CastleRock CLE266 |
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| 00:41.17 | sparr | What might cause this while formatting my new partition? Creating journal (32768 blocks): mke2fs: Device or resource busy while trying to create journal |
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| 00:41.41 | politik | hm okay so I made some progress... my wireless card driver module now loads, but the eth device doesn't appear. any ideas? |
| 00:42.30 | sparr | politik: why would it be an eth device? |
| 00:42.33 | politik | until I ran into this bizarre problem, it was eth2 |
| 00:42.52 | politik | I'm not sure what determines the name, whether it is wlan or eth |
| 00:43.09 | politik | but like I said it used to be eth2, and as soon as the module was loaded, iwconfig listed eth2 |
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| 00:45.40 | MoDaX | politik: depends on the driver |
| 00:46.25 | politik | oh my god. |
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| 00:46.42 | politik | I wish I could destroy dell |
| 00:46.52 | politik | this stupid f'ing wireless switch |
| 00:46.59 | politik | I must have accidentally turned it off |
| 00:47.17 | ic3man05 | politik, lol I think all laptops have that switch |
| 00:47.27 | politik | I know, I wish I could destroy all those laptops |
| 00:47.36 | politik | you guys have no idea how long I've been working on this |
| 00:47.55 | ic3man05 | politik, lol oh well at least you know what the problem is now for future reference |
| 00:47.58 | politik | last night, bam, no more wireless internet. a mystery! until now |
| 00:48.12 | politik | I've been recompiling the freaking drivers all day |
| 00:48.33 | politik | gawd |
| 00:48.35 | ic3man05 | doesn't restarting reenable that switch politik? |
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| 00:48.44 | politik | nope, it is a physical switch that clicks |
| 00:48.55 | ic3man05 | ah, thats even dumber. |
| 00:49.02 | politik | how much power do people think that saves, for f's sake |
| 00:49.08 | politik | a few milliamps |
| 00:49.15 | ic3man05 | politik, probably about that |
| 00:49.42 | ic3man05 | politik, one more minute of using windows, yay! |
| 00:49.57 | mirak | find ./ -name *.deb -exec cp {} /tmp/ this doesn't work, I miss something |
| 00:50.00 | politik | no kidding. in linux, the card is not on until I load the driver myself |
| 00:50.08 | politik | seems like a mutch nicer switch |
| 00:50.14 | politik | *much |
| 00:50.17 | ic3man05 | I'd say so |
| 00:50.24 | ic3man05 | you should remove the switch |
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| 00:50.38 | politik | no kidding |
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| 00:50.46 | ic3man05 | I'm sure its easy to run a wire straight to the card for power |
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| 00:51.36 | Azar | that why I never buy brand name PCs they do magic on their hardware drivers and bios, it stinks |
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| 00:51.53 | ic3man05 | azar: I wouldn't call that magic... |
| 00:52.05 | Azar | ic3man05: I was trying to be polite |
| 00:52.07 | politik | last night I saw that the kernel log said "Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On" and I thought "wtf", and I googled it ten thousand times, which told me I had to echo something to some /sys file |
| 00:52.10 | ic3man05 | azar: more like stupidity for the stupid |
| 00:52.17 | ic3man05 | azar: ah ok |
| 00:52.44 | politik | this is a relief though, I almost installed Fedora Core earlier today in a moment of weakness |
| 00:52.55 | ic3man05 | ouch |
| 00:52.59 | Azar | right now I am shopping for hardware for a new box, you could imagine what was best on the market is gone |
| 00:53.07 | ic3man05 | I don't think i'll ever go to an rpm based distro |
| 00:53.09 | politik | luckily my laptop can't boot the boot dvd for some reason |
| 00:53.24 | ic3man05 | Azar: what kind of hardware? |
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| 00:54.16 | politik | alright since this is a laptop, I'm going to go get in bed and utilize my wireless connection. peace |
| 00:54.20 | politik | sheesh. |
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| 00:55.31 | Azar | ic3man05: special combinations to fit my favorite ones: athlon 3400+, on an Asus K8v Deluxe with a VIA chipset, IDE (not sata) HD, and GeForce FX |
| 00:55.46 | infernix | does someone know of any way or tool to read (basically make an image of) a harddisk that gives read errors on certain parts of the platter? dd just blatantly stops reading at the first hickup. or is the kernel preventing this? |
| 00:56.08 | ic3man05 | My boss got an asus k8x-xx something and he loves it |
| 00:56.13 | ic3man05 | it was like 80 bucks |
| 00:56.50 | ic3man05 | azar: and I really dislike via, I'd rather have nvidia |
| 00:56.54 | Azar | ic3man05: the main point is to get a mobo that has at least both, ide and sata, I intend to use ide, but hard to find nowadays |
| 00:57.12 | ic3man05 | azar: ide is still fairly popular |
| 00:57.18 | Azar | ic3man05: I can have both |
| 00:57.29 | ic3man05 | azar: they all still have both now don't they? |
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| 00:58.18 | Azar | ic3man05: box kits have weird combinations, stuff that I do not like, plus the cdrw's and dvd's stink, I hate Sony stuff |
| 00:58.27 | ic3man05 | ah |
| 00:59.08 | ic3man05 | I'd tell you the model of mine if I knew how to get it from linux |
| 00:59.37 | Azar | ic3man05: this will be a serious gaming box |
| 00:59.50 | ic3man05 | I take it your going with windows then? |
| 00:59.57 | ic3man05 | or at least dual boot |
| 01:00.03 | Azar | nope, linux |
| 01:00.16 | Azar | I need a powerful box for running old dos games |
| 01:00.22 | ic3man05 | haha |
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| 01:00.56 | Azar | and linux games too |
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| 01:01.19 | Azar | like egoboo which does not run on a weak desktop box that I have |
| 01:01.36 | ic3man05 | egoboo? |
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| 01:01.51 | ic3man05 | only games I run are cs/css ut2004 and soon ut2007 |
| 01:02.11 | Azar | ic3man05: if your linux box handles heavy graphics, sound try egoboo |
| 01:02.20 | tuvwx | i just upgraded to xorg 7 in testing.. it worked without any effort, except fonts look a little blurred now.. how can i fix that? |
| 01:02.34 | ic3man05 | ut2004 @ 60-80fps |
| 01:02.41 | ic3man05 | 1280x1024 |
| 01:02.44 | ic3man05 | normal settings |
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| 01:02.50 | MoDaX | tuvwx: kde? |
| 01:02.54 | tuvwx | gnome |
| 01:03.10 | MoDaX | dunno then |
| 01:03.37 | ic3man05 | Desktop>Pref>Fonts, tuvwx |
| 01:03.42 | tuvwx | xfs got uninstalled in the process.. is that usual? |
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| 01:04.21 | MoDaX | tuvwx: xfs is useless |
| 01:04.39 | tuvwx | ic3man05, nop.. still |
| 01:04.40 | MoDaX | gtk2 and qt3 have been using fontconfig for a long time now |
| 01:05.11 | ic3man05 | what type of monitor do you have? |
| 01:05.21 | ic3man05 | lcd or crt? |
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| 01:05.45 | tuvwx | ic3man05, actually yes.. that did it.. i just had to restart some apps to get the effect of the change |
| 01:05.55 | ic3man05 | cool |
| 01:06.55 | tuvwx | great.. upgrading to xorg7 was extremely smooth.. didn't have to do anything other than Gnome fonts preferences |
| 01:07.18 | ic3man05 | tuvwx, I wish I could say that, nvidia drivers failed on me |
| 01:07.33 | tuvwx | i just started the upgrade from X (synaptic) and it hanged, so i restarted it from the console |
| 01:07.50 | ic3man05 | tuvwx, I always use apt-get |
| 01:08.07 | MoDaX | aptitude is better :) |
| 01:08.20 | ic3man05 | MoDaX: I didn't like aptitude |
| 01:08.32 | tuvwx | ic3man05, actually the whole desktop was acting strange.. synaptic was no exception |
| 01:08.34 | ic3man05 | apt-get and apt-cache search work perfect for me |
| 01:08.48 | tuvwx | aptitude is great until it tries to reslove dependencies |
| 01:08.54 | tuvwx | it does the strangest things |
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| 01:09.08 | tuvwx | tries all solutions except the obvois |
| 01:09.17 | tuvwx | tries all solutions except the obvious |
| 01:10.24 | tuvwx | ic3man05, i'm using fglrx here.. no problems |
| 01:10.43 | tuvwx | ic3man05, i'm using nvidia's driver on another machine though, but didn't upgrade it yet |
| 01:10.44 | ic3man05 | tuvwx, I just had to reinstall nvidia drivers with the correct module path |
| 01:11.06 | ic3man05 | tuvwx, look into the debian wiki xorg69to7 if you have problems |
| 01:11.08 | tuvwx | ic3man05, where did you have to deal with a module path |
| 01:11.35 | ic3man05 | sh Nvidia-xxxx.sh --X-module-path=/blah/blah/blah |
| 01:11.56 | ic3man05 | --x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules/ |
| 01:12.25 | ic3man05 | otherwise glx and nvidia modules reported not being found |
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| 01:13.09 | Vasistha | okay, so this is weird. I'm trying to process the output of dpkg -l using grep, sed, and/or tail ... but it seems that some kind of \b character is sitting around somewhere (?) the version 1.1.23-10sarge1 is being truncated -- the 1 at the end is lost, thus 1.1.23-10sarge |
| 01:13.19 | tuvwx | ic3man05, i use module-assistant with debian's nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 01:15.13 | Vasistha | oops, I see what it's doing... when dpkg -l is piped, it seems to truncate all the columns ... dpkg -l somepackage | cat |
| 01:15.45 | MoDaX | Vasistha: package names, versions, descriptions are truncated at fixed length. fixed in etch |
| 01:16.06 | Vasistha | MoDaX: any workaround in sarge? |
| 01:16.18 | tuvwx | ic3man05, the strange thing is that the kernel module is prebuilt for kernel 2.6.16 only while testing uses 2.6.15! |
| 01:16.50 | ic3man05 | I believe testing is going to be using 2.6.16 soon though |
| 01:17.27 | tuvwx | ic3man05, why did you use nvidia's installer and not module-assistant? |
| 01:17.42 | ic3man05 | I don't know how to use it |
| 01:17.52 | ic3man05 | plus don't you have to use an older version? |
| 01:17.58 | MoDaX | Vasistha: I'm not aware of one. |
| 01:18.13 | MoDaX | Vasistha: Don't truncate output of 'dpkg -l' when stdout is not a tty. Closes: #92263, #253860, #258608, #261822, #282790. |
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| 01:18.43 | MoDaX | checkout those bugs. maybe you will somthing there |
| 01:18.56 | tuvwx | ic3man05, it's pretty uptodate.. just "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" |
| 01:19.14 | tuvwx | ic3man05, it will even install needed packages on its own |
| 01:19.32 | ic3man05 | tuvwx, Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to ▒ |
| 01:19.32 | ic3man05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.36 | Vasistha | MoDaX: thanks. as a sidenote... any idea how to just filter for one field? I'm thinking perhaps the output won't be truncated if it's coming in a sifferent format |
| 01:19.43 | ic3man05 | thats why I didn't do it that way |
| 01:20.31 | tuvwx | ic3man05, well.. why don't you add contrib and non-free to your sources.list? you are using non-free software anyway |
| 01:20.52 | ic3man05 | I guess because it hasn't bothered me yet |
| 01:21.12 | tuvwx | ic3man05, it will make it much easier to upgrade the driver |
| 01:21.32 | ic3man05 | sh nvidia-file-name.sh is pretty simple |
| 01:21.41 | ic3man05 | it takes care of everything for me |
| 01:23.56 | zirikili | I am trying to install a second sound card. it is a Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture, but when I load bt87x module, nothing happens on dmesg. any help? |
| 01:23.59 | tuvwx | well.. should i notice anything after upgrading to xorg 7? |
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| 01:25.01 | eimajenthat | Howdy, I've been running Debian Etch on my Mac Cube for a few weeks. The other day I came home and it had turned itself off (power failure or something similar, best I can tell). When I rebooted it, it wouldn't go to bash. It booted to ash (a somethingorother built in shell) and it said something about Busybox, which I wasn't aware was installed |
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| 01:25.25 | eimajenthat | it said something about /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 01:25.45 | eimajenthat | what's going on and how do I fix it? |
| 01:25.55 | maher | eimajenthat: can you log in? |
| 01:26.31 | ic3man05 | tuvwx: no, 7 is just modular so its not all one package |
| 01:26.32 | eimajenthat | I get a '/ #' prompt |
| 01:26.38 | eimajenthat | for ash |
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| 01:26.49 | felix | good evening |
| 01:27.16 | maher | eimajenthat: do macs have grub or something esle? are you booting in single user mode? |
| 01:27.29 | eimajenthat | maher: I get a '/ #' prompt |
| 01:27.37 | eimajenthat | umm |
| 01:27.50 | eimajenthat | it's got yaboot, which I don't completely understand |
| 01:28.07 | felix | a question, is it possible to limit aptitude download speed? |
| 01:28.11 | eimajenthat | I just booting it regular |
| 01:28.21 | eimajenthat | it had a login prompt before |
| 01:29.01 | eimajenthat | actually, I don't even understand yaboot a little, to be honest |
| 01:29.14 | maher | eimajenthat: try mount or df -h, is it mounting the hd? |
| 01:29.35 | maher | felix: not directly afaik - maybe you want wondershaper |
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| 01:29.56 | ic3man05 | eimajenthat, boot the machine and try to find errors about mounting the root partition |
| 01:30.03 | ic3man05 | or any errors |
| 01:30.14 | Xaero_Vincent | So is Debian Sid as unstable as people say it is? I mean I'm currently using Archlinux and its bleeding edge but still fairly stable. |
| 01:30.26 | felix | maher: damn.... i need something like --limit-rate=... (like wget) |
| 01:30.42 | tethead | isn't sid now testing? |
| 01:30.57 | maher | tethead: etch is testing - sid is always unstable |
| 01:30.58 | Xaero_Vincent | eh? |
| 01:31.12 | tethead | ah |
| 01:31.19 | eimajenthat | maher: yeah, I think you're right. df -h just shows /udev |
| 01:31.34 | tethead | sid 6.7 would be unstable i guess... heh |
| 01:31.38 | maher | Xaero_Vincent: i used it as my main machine for many years, but i knew how to fix things when they broke... |
| 01:32.02 | eimajenthat | maher: mount isn't mounting the hard drive |
| 01:32.03 | maher | eimajenthat: try running e2fsck /dev/whatever |
| 01:32.10 | eimajenthat | I sure hope my drive's not cooked |
| 01:32.21 | maher | eimajenthat: assuming your have ext2/3 fs |
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| 01:33.08 | noobubuntu | please could anybody tell me how to erase the MBR? |
| 01:33.12 | eimajenthat | think so, can't remember. Never run linux on a Mac before, the installation process is subtly different, will try the command |
| 01:33.28 | ic3man05 | tethead: testing/etch is pretty stable for me btw |
| 01:33.31 | noobubuntu | i need to do it to install quickplay and after reinstall any linux distribution |
| 01:33.40 | Xaero_Vincent | maher... well why would it be more unstable than say other bleeding edge distros? |
| 01:33.46 | emdash_ | ic3man05: what do you run |
| 01:33.58 | emdash_ | it on |
| 01:34.04 | ic3man05 | emdash_: x86 platform |
| 01:34.11 | maher | Xaero_Vincent: i dunno - do other bleeding edge distros have a constant feed of new packages coming in? |
| 01:34.39 | Xaero_Vincent | Well arch has new packages everyday.. Wait a week and you'll have 100+ MB of updates |
| 01:34.42 | Xaero_Vincent | so yea |
| 01:34.52 | maher | Xaero_Vincent: why not run stable with unstable in a chroot |
| 01:34.54 | eimajenthat | maher: e2fsck not found |
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| 01:35.07 | eimajenthat | this ash thing seems to have a pretty limited command set |
| 01:35.08 | noobubuntu | please could anybody tell me how to erase the MBR? |
| 01:35.28 | eimajenthat | I'm going to watch it boot |
| 01:35.41 | noobubuntu | please could anybody tell me how to erase the MBR? |
| 01:35.53 | ic3man05 | noobubuntu: why do you want to erase the mbr? |
| 01:35.59 | maher | eimajenthat: /sbin/fsck.ext3? |
| 01:36.01 | noobubuntu | just need to know how |
| 01:36.02 | emdash_ | maher: can this be done with a minimal amount of diskspace? |
| 01:36.09 | noobubuntu | ic3man05: do u know how? |
| 01:36.12 | tuvwx | felix, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=146877 |
| 01:36.20 | emdash_ | maher: there's only a handful of unstable packages i really care to have |
| 01:36.22 | maher | noobubuntu: just install your new bootloader - it will overwrite the old one |
| 01:36.29 | emdash_ | maher: but they can't be installed in sarge |
| 01:36.36 | noobubuntu | i dont want to overwrite maher |
| 01:36.36 | ic3man05 | noobubuntu: I can't remember off the top of my head, I usually do what maher just said above |
| 01:36.36 | maher | emdash_: maybe run stable + backports then |
| 01:36.43 | Xaero_Vincent | i might try that too... im mainly interested in Debian because of it's massive number of packages and support for numerous architectures |
| 01:36.51 | tuvwx | felix, it is possible |
| 01:36.53 | emdash_ | maher: i already use that, they aren't available yet (possibly never) |
| 01:36.56 | noobubuntu | ic3man05: i need to erase it not to overwrite it. |
| 01:37.00 | emdash_ | maher: and it would be a pain to compile it myself |
| 01:37.06 | emdash_ | them |
| 01:37.11 | noobubuntu | does anybody here could tell me how to erase the MBR? |
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| 01:37.55 | ic3man05 | noobubuntu: #fdisk /mbr maybe? |
| 01:38.01 | felix | maher: there is an unofficial patch for apt to limit bandwidth |
| 01:38.17 | noobubuntu | ic3man05: do not worked, another idea? |
| 01:38.31 | felix | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=146877 |
| 01:38.41 | ic3man05 | noobubuntu: I believe dd can with other arguments |
| 01:39.48 | tuvwx | felix, it's in apt 0.6.44 and later |
| 01:39.52 | ic3man05 | noobubuntu: why do you want to erase it anyways? |
| 01:40.02 | noobubuntu | ic3man05: dont think so at least there isnt any reference to it at man pages.. |
| 01:40.11 | noobubuntu | ic3man05: to install quickplay |
| 01:40.26 | maher | noobubuntu: you want to write the write number of zeros to the top of the disc, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 <--- very dangerous - read man dd and think carefully before doing this |
| 01:40.35 | noobubuntu | ic3man05: its a hp linux software that needs to be installed before any os |
| 01:41.05 | felix | tuvwx: i got another way to do it |
| 01:41.15 | felix | tuvwx: "trickle" |
| 01:41.20 | ic3man05 | noobubuntu: can I see a link or something? |
| 01:41.30 | noobubuntu | maher: it was easy with any windows xp cd just by typing fdisk /mbr but i dont have any here :( |
| 01:41.31 | felix | tuvwx: trickle -d 40 -u 20 aptitude (That's all) |
| 01:41.53 | noobubuntu | ic3man05: google for hp quickplay |
| 01:41.53 | maher | noobubuntu: /fdisk mbr installs the windows bootloader - it doesn't wipe the mbr |
| 01:42.26 | noobubuntu | maher: i just need to take off that grub from MBR |
| 01:42.31 | noobubuntu | maher: how to do that? |
| 01:42.48 | tuvwx | felix, i cannot find the details anywhere.. all it says the feature was added! |
| 01:43.00 | maher | noobubuntu: have you tried reading the grub docs? |
| 01:43.08 | noobubuntu | maher: ya |
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| 01:43.35 | noobubuntu | maher: it explain a lot of things but do not teach how to erase it. |
| 01:43.36 | ic3man05 | grub says erasing isn't required only thing needed is overwriting |
| 01:44.08 | noobubuntu | ic3man05: i dont want to overwrite it, which part u dont understand? |
| 01:44.13 | noobubuntu | ic3man05: sorry |
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| 01:45.00 | ic3man05 | noobubuntu: Yes, I understand that but I need to see how hp quickplay works |
| 01:45.14 | tuvwx | is there updated documentation for apt anywhere? |
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| 01:45.50 | noobubuntu | ic3man05: its a linux distro with some closed software |
| 01:45.52 | maher | noobubuntu: look in /boot for files called boot.xxx - these are old copies of the mbr - you can dd one of these to the right place |
| 01:46.11 | maher | noobubuntu: but do you want to remove grub, or install the windows bootloader? |
| 01:46.35 | infernix | in vim, if i want to convert a line like 'AA variable AA' to 'BB variable BB', it should be "s/AA .* AA/BB $1 BB/", right? it seems that it's not working as it's using the literal '$1' instead of 'variable'. what am i missing here (besides a clue)? :) |
| 01:46.42 | ic3man05 | noobubuntu: from what I've seen it doesn't need a free mbr, it needs 250mb at the end of the harddrive unpartitioned |
| 01:46.46 | noobubuntu | maher: remove it. completely. definitely. ERASE. just it. do not overwrite... |
| 01:47.20 | noobubuntu | ic3man05: ya, it does. |
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| 01:47.30 | maher | noobubuntu: the dd command i gave you will write zeros over the mbr, destroy the partition table and make the disc totally non-bootable |
| 01:47.31 | ic3man05 | 1. Reformat hard drive so there is only one unformateed partition. |
| 01:47.31 | ic3man05 | 2. When you go to install windows and it asks you for the partition size, take 250 MB off the size that is there and install windows. so if it says 57250 for the current size, choose 57000. Do not go back and set a partition for the remaining space. |
| 01:47.31 | ic3man05 | 3. Once windows installs, insert the QuickPlay installation cd and reboot. |
| 01:48.14 | noobubuntu | ic3man05: the problem is that i install it and it dont book. it gives me a grub error |
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| 01:48.49 | schippes | something changed in samba (just installed the debian 'etch' system) and now i can not browse my shares, i get a NT_STATUS_NETWORK_ACCESS_DENIED error . How can i fix this? |
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| 01:48.58 | bnovc_ | hello |
| 01:49.15 | ic3man05 | noobubuntu: it says the original cds also had problems also |
| 01:49.20 | bnovc_ | i have been trying to setup X forwarding all week and keep running into roadblocks; i've enabled X11 Forwarding in sshd_config and restarted ssh |
| 01:49.23 | RvGaTe | ic3man05 ? |
| 01:49.34 | ic3man05 | RvGaTe: hi |
| 01:49.48 | bnovc_ | when i do ssh -X serverip my $DISPLAY is still empty and if i export it and i am intra-network ON WINDOWS it works ... from my osx laptop it still does not |
| 01:49.49 | tuvwx | felix, trickle is certainly nice to know about.. thanks |
| 01:49.51 | bnovc_ | and if i |
| 01:49.54 | bnovc_ | *if i'm external it also doesnt |
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| 01:50.03 | ic3man05 | noobubuntu: have you tryed leaving 250mb free on the hdd and booted the cd? |
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| 01:50.18 | maher | noobubuntu: why not just tell grub to boot the quickplay partition? |
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| 01:50.22 | ic3man05 | noobubuntu: if the machine is going to the grub prompt then its not booting the cd period |
| 01:50.38 | dos000 | anyone can help with racoon-tool i get this insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.14.3-vs2.0.1+vserver/kernel/crypto/crc32c.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 01:50.39 | bnovc_ | does anyone have any idea |
| 01:50.51 | eimajenthat | maher: http://pastebin.com/756880 |
| 01:50.59 | eimajenthat | maher: can't find hda3 |
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| 01:51.15 | eimajenthat | maher: sounds uncomfortably like a bad HD |
| 01:52.06 | maher | eimajenthat: does cat /proc/partitions show any partitions? |
| 01:52.22 | dos000 | tow ! |
| 01:52.41 | RvGaTe | ic3man05: i've tested your package |
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| 01:52.57 | RvGaTe | ic3man05: it ran for 29 hours... without any problems |
| 01:52.59 | tuvwx | ok.. i just discovered a problem after upgrading ot xorg 7.. my right alt key doesn't work.. the left does though |
| 01:53.00 | ic3man05 | RvGaTe: its setup wrong but still works |
| 01:53.03 | dos000 | i have compiled vserver in there. |
| 01:53.06 | ic3man05 | RvGaTe: nice to hear |
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| 01:53.31 | RvGaTe | ic3man05: then i stopped it.. figuring it would be anough |
| 01:53.49 | ic3man05 | RvGaTe: 29 hours is good enough yea |
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| 01:55.06 | VlivE | anyone install amd64-netinstall iso? |
| 01:55.09 | dos000 | anyone: how do i get the modules that come with racoon (for ipsec) to get recompiled on my box |
| 01:55.14 | ic3man05 | RvGaTe: the program shouldn't be run as root but its the only way I could get it to log right |
| 01:56.26 | tuvwx | has anyone had alt-key-not-working problem after upgrading to xorg 7? |
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| 01:59.20 | ic3man05 | away party! |
| 01:59.25 | RvGaTe | ? |
| 01:59.27 | ic3man05 | ha oops forgot / |
| 01:59.40 | RvGaTe | o// |
| 01:59.42 | ic3man05 | party time |
| 01:59.45 | RvGaTe | \o/ |
| 01:59.51 | RvGaTe | \\o |
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| 02:01.13 | tethead | ic3man05: yes, testing has been very stable for me as well, no probs to speak of, other than the damn amavisd-new config issue... |
| 02:01.15 | eimajenthat | maher: 'major minor #blocks name', I think those are headings and that it doesn't have any partitions there |
| 02:01.33 | eimajenthat | but that's what it says when enter that command |
| 02:01.58 | maher | eimajenthat: what does fdisk -l /dev/hda say? |
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| 02:02.49 | eimajenthat | maher: fdisk not found |
| 02:02.59 | maher | eimajenthat: /sbin/fdisk |
| 02:04.22 | jpinto | Hi, why is mencoder unable to obey to my width command to set it to 768, he is setting automatically to 720!! is there a trick in here? |
| 02:05.08 | jpinto | (wrong channel, sorry... -- bad view at these hours) |
| 02:05.29 | eimajenthat | maher: nope |
| 02:05.52 | maher | eimajenthat: you mean not found? |
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| 02:06.23 | eimajenthat | maher: not found, and I went to /sbin and did ls, and there's only 5 things there, none are fdisk |
| 02:07.20 | rxed | how can i play win media files? |
| 02:07.24 | maher | eimajenthat: do you have a livecd or something? there seems to be something wrong with your hd and it would be useful to have some tools to try and fix it |
| 02:07.58 | eimajenthat | maher: I'm just about to try that, wanted to make sure you didn't have any other commands for me to enter |
| 02:08.14 | Dwonis | Sigh. Never use "foo" as an example of a directory to a non-techie, unless you want "foo" to become part of the official pathname... for eternity. |
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| 02:08.35 | maher | eimajenthat: boot to a live cd if you have one - it will be easier to fix things with a proper environment |
| 02:09.12 | tethead | lol @ Dwonis, damn straight! |
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| 02:09.54 | chealer | rxed: what kind of win media? |
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| 02:11.08 | iuvrall | my system come up without any desktop. there is this warning in .xsession: konsole: WARNING: Unable to use /home/hja123/.kde/share/apps/konsole/screen.desktop |
| 02:11.09 | pgmr | I like foo directories though |
| 02:11.09 | rxed | how can I play windows media files, or wmv files? |
| 02:11.17 | pgmr | does that make me a non techie? |
| 02:11.44 | chealer | !tell rxed about wmv |
| 02:12.30 | rxed | chealer: you are not being helpful. I know what wmv file is. |
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| 02:12.53 | iuvrall | rxed: firstly, u need a player. u have one? |
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| 02:13.15 | chealer | rxed: you are not reading |
| 02:13.18 | rxed | iuvrall: cut to the chase man. yes, of course i have it. |
| 02:13.31 | chealer | !tell iuvrall about u |
| 02:13.43 | iuvrall | rxed: does it come with wmv codec? |
| 02:13.51 | iuvrall | check that first. |
| 02:13.54 | rxed | iuvrall: no, it does not. |
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| 02:14.12 | johnga1t | anybody know anything about messing w/ X keymaps? |
| 02:14.13 | iuvrall | rxed: that is your problem then. |
| 02:14.26 | rxed | iuvrall: wow. |
| 02:14.30 | iuvrall | rxed: which player r u using. |
| 02:14.36 | rxed | iuvrall: mplayer |
| 02:15.04 | iuvrall | rxed: so do i and i have been streaming wmv without any problem. |
| 02:15.26 | rxed | iuvrall: very good. |
| 02:15.49 | iuvrall | rxed: when u install mplayer, did u not choose the 'all' or 'essentials' codecs download? |
| 02:15.58 | GaiaX11 | I have tried to open this file, but i can't (ProjetoSemin?rioMV2.doc). Any help? |
| 02:16.03 | eimajenthat | maher: I'm in. It's Kubuntu Dapper 6.06 LiveCD. There aren't a lot of PPC liveCDs out there |
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| 02:18.25 | tuvwx | ok.. my right alt key does not work as an alt key, but both alt keys still change the group!! what does that mean? |
| 02:19.01 | iuvrall | my system come up without any desktop. there is this warning in .xsession: konsole: WARNING: Unable to use /home/hja123/.kde/share/apps/konsole/screen.desktop |
| 02:19.12 | eimajenthat | maher: it mounts fine in the liveCD |
| 02:19.28 | maher | eimajenthat: run fsck on it |
| 02:20.02 | mart- | Anyone know how I can find out which DD uploaded a package? |
| 02:20.17 | eimajenthat | maher: forgive my ignorance, would that be fsck /dev/hda3? |
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| 02:21.11 | maher | eimajenthat: is it ext2/3 file system? if so use e2fsck /dev/hda3 |
| 02:22.17 | tuvwx | where did my alt key go?? |
| 02:24.22 | Arafangion | In order to reuse one's apt cache, one merely copys it to another system, right? |
| 02:24.30 | Arafangion | If they're up-to-date, they'll be used? |
| 02:24.50 | maher | Arafangion: afaik yes |
| 02:25.18 | chealer | mart-: did you check the changelog |
| 02:25.20 | Arafangion | Good. |
| 02:25.31 | eimajenthat | maher: http://pastebin.com/756912 |
| 02:25.33 | mart- | chealer: yes, no cigar. |
| 02:25.51 | chealer | mart-: so which package is it? |
| 02:25.59 | eimajenthat | maher: it looks like fsck is redirecting to e2fsck |
| 02:26.14 | mart- | chealer: easyh10 |
| 02:26.54 | chealer | mart-: is there something that makes yo doubt it wouldn't be its maintainer? |
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| 02:27.21 | mart- | chealer: yes, he told me he didn't upload it. |
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| 02:27.37 | chealer | mart-: which version is it? |
| 02:27.51 | mart- | dunno - any recent one. |
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| 02:28.44 | maher | eimajenthat: hmm... that looks ok - try chrooting into the hd and see if basic things like ls work |
| 02:28.46 | chealer | mart-: are you asking how to check which DD sponsored an upload? |
| 02:28.53 | david3 | frack |
| 02:28.53 | mart- | chealer: yes |
| 02:28.59 | Chuck | Can someone help me with a problem I am having with my new install of debian? |
| 02:29.38 | craig_ | whats up chuck |
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| 02:30.16 | Chuck | I just installed the netinstall from a CD to my laptop and it locks up while booting, i think.... |
| 02:30.23 | eimajenthat | maher: yup, ls works when I chroot |
| 02:30.25 | craig_ | you think? |
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| 02:30.44 | Chuck | yeah, new to linux and debian |
| 02:30.56 | chealer | mart-: you can check with the PGP signature of one of the .changes |
| 02:31.06 | craig_ | what does the screen look like, chuck? |
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| 02:31.37 | maher | eimajenthat: try running debsums on your kernel |
| 02:31.38 | Chuck | last line of the commands are: options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] |
| 02:31.54 | eimajenthat | maher: how do I do that? |
| 02:32.06 | maher | eimajenthat: debsums nameofkernel |
| 02:32.15 | craig_ | Chuck: what kind of computer is it? |
| 02:32.18 | eimajenthat | k |
| 02:32.27 | mart- | chealer: where are the .changes kept? |
| 02:32.38 | Chuck | hp pavillion 7010 |
| 02:33.02 | craig_ | hmm |
| 02:33.21 | craig_ | i can help you get it into maintainance mode, but it's going to be kind of tough to debug from here |
| 02:33.38 | chealer | mart-: check on http://packages.qa.debian.org/easyh10 The news have them |
| 02:33.49 | Chuck | i followed all of the directions, and couldn't find an answer in them, so thats why im here... |
| 02:33.49 | maher | eimajenthat: run that from within the chroot |
| 02:33.54 | craig_ | did you install the development or the stable version? |
| 02:33.55 | Chuck | any help is appreciated |
| 02:33.58 | tuvwx | how do i empty an mbox inbox |
| 02:33.59 | tuvwx | ? |
| 02:34.01 | maher | Chuck: what does it say above that line? |
| 02:34.03 | Chuck | stable |
| 02:34.07 | craig_ | good. |
| 02:34.25 | Chuck | <6>Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 |
| 02:34.43 | mart- | chealer: can you give me an exact url, please? I've looked there. |
| 02:34.45 | maher | tuvwx: ? you can run mutt -f foldername to look at it and then delete everything |
| 02:35.02 | craig_ | maher: seems like his box is freezing when its loading modules<?> |
| 02:35.21 | craig_ | Chuck: you might be best if you dont know much bout linux to try another distro |
| 02:35.31 | tuvwx | maher, on a remote machine.. no mutt :( |
| 02:35.39 | astronut | looks like not a big drop in participation |
| 02:35.43 | astronut | yt |
| 02:35.45 | astronut | yet* |
| 02:35.47 | chealer | mart-: for example, http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/easyh10/news/20060319T224717Z.html |
| 02:35.51 | Chuck | like? |
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| 02:36.09 | craig_ | redhat |
| 02:36.15 | craig_ | Fedora Core 5 |
| 02:36.17 | maher | tuvwx: what exactly do youwant to do? rm foo ; touch foo will create an empty file foo |
| 02:36.38 | mart- | chealer: so... where's the name? |
| 02:36.49 | maher | Chuck: when you boot do you see the grub menu? can you boot it in single user mode? |
| 02:36.52 | tuvwx | maher, don't i have to preserve some content? e.g. first message says: keep me for the format of mbox |
| 02:37.19 | Chuck | maher: it gives me two options, boot regular kernel or maintenance mode kernel |
| 02:37.26 | tuvwx | maher, i can rm it, but i'm afraid the webmail client will have problems, will it? |
| 02:37.32 | maher | tuvwx: in theory but in practice most mailers cope - you could just copy on empty mbox folder on top of it though |
| 02:37.39 | astronut | chealer: what? |
| 02:37.47 | chealer | mart-: it's not explicit. you need to determine who's PGP signature it is |
| 02:37.49 | tuvwx | maher, how can create an impty mbox? |
| 02:37.53 | Arafangion | craig_: I would recommend Ubuntu, rather than RH. |
| 02:37.59 | astronut | mart-: are you martin ellis? |
| 02:38.01 | tuvwx | *empty |
| 02:38.01 | Arafangion | craig_: Or even FC |
| 02:38.11 | chealer | astronut: did I say something to you? |
| 02:38.24 | astronut | chealer: i'm the easyh10 maintainer |
| 02:38.30 | mart- | astronut: hey :D |
| 02:38.32 | craig_ | Arafangion: I've never used Ubuntu: but thats' not a bad idea.. i know a fully featured FC5 box is very usable though |
| 02:38.34 | astronut | saw you discussing my package |
| 02:38.35 | chealer | astronut: I know... |
| 02:38.37 | astronut | didn't see the context |
| 02:38.42 | maher | tuvwx: i would just delete it - the webmail program should cope |
| 02:38.54 | astronut | it's either anibal or zorglub who uploaded it |
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| 02:39.03 | maher | Chuck: have you tried the maintenance one? |
| 02:39.07 | chealer | astronut: I'm trying to help mart- with a question taking your package as an example |
| 02:39.14 | Chuck | maher: no |
| 02:39.20 | Arafangion | craig_: I have been very impressed with their LiveCD's, just using those should give you a taste as to what the system is like. It's nearly no different to the installed version. |
| 02:39.27 | astronut | and damnit, my box is not being stable |
| 02:39.29 | maher | Chuck: why not try and that and see if it boots off that... |
| 02:39.30 | mart- | chealer: it's ok. astronut is the maintainer. |
| 02:39.41 | craig_ | Arafangion: good call.. that's not a bad idea at all |
| 02:39.58 | astronut | chealer, mart-: if you hover over the version number in someone's qa page, it shows th sponsor |
| 02:39.59 | Chuck | maher: trying now, it is actually recovery mode *sorry |
| 02:40.33 | Arafangion | craig_: They are very pedantic about free formats, though, for example, no mp3 support by default. |
| 02:40.39 | Chuck | maher: locked up in the same place |
| 02:41.12 | maher | Chuck: ok - do you have a boot disk or live cd lying around? |
| 02:41.22 | chealer | astronut: that sounds nice, but I don't see what you're talking about |
| 02:41.27 | Chuck | maher: yes |
| 02:41.52 | mart- | astronut: I don't see it. |
| 02:42.09 | maher | Chuck: boot to that then... |
| 02:42.49 | tuvwx | maher, right.. it worked indeed.. thanks |
| 02:42.52 | mart- | astronut: oh, yes, I do now. I was on the wrong page. |
| 02:43.00 | Chuck | maher: ok |
| 02:43.10 | astronut | chealer: developer.php, not the package page |
| 02:43.20 | Chuck | maher: at the debian install screen |
| 02:44.00 | maher | Chuck: oh - do you have a live cd youcould boot to? |
| 02:44.43 | Chuck | maher: umm.... no |
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| 02:45.07 | astronut | mart-: look in privmsg |
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| 02:45.31 | astronut | chealer: see it now? |
| 02:45.37 | chealer | astronut: do you have an exact URL? |
| 02:46.04 | maher | Chuck: i can't remmeber whether the boot disk lets you do anything useful - try ctrl-alt-f2 and see if you geta shell |
| 02:46.35 | Chuck | maher: nope |
| 02:46.39 | astronut | chealer: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=astronut@dlgeek.net, hover over the 1.2.1-2 |
| 02:47.03 | maher | Chuck: what install disc do you have? |
| 02:47.50 | Chuck | maher: 3.1r2 the netinstall for i386 |
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| 02:48.36 | eimajenthat | maher: I wasn't sure of the name of my kernel, so I just typed debsums. It scrolled through a whole bunch of stuff and didn't give any obvious errors |
| 02:49.17 | maher | eimajenthat: try rebooting and see what happens |
| 02:49.20 | chealer | astronut: sorry, I didn't read you correctly. I see it now. thanks |
| 02:49.30 | astronut | chealer: no problem |
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| 02:49.51 | chealer | mart-: sorry for suggesting you a painful way to do what you wanted |
| 02:50.20 | mart- | chealer: no problem. |
| 02:50.26 | eimajenthat | maher, booting to the liveCD or the HD? |
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| 02:51.40 | Mr-5150 | I'm using xmms and some of my mp3s dont show the tittle is there anything i could do? |
| 02:51.59 | maher | eimajenthat: hd |
| 02:53.08 | maher | Chuck: are you sure ctrl-alt-f2 doesn't give you a shell? |
| 02:53.10 | tuvwx | i'd really like to get my right alt key working again.. xorg 7 did something to it :( |
| 02:53.35 | tuvwx | would being a laptop make any difference with xorg 7? |
| 02:53.39 | eimajenthat | maher: gotcha, does the debsums thing do anything that might have fixed anything? |
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| 02:54.00 | maher | eimajenthat: no - it just check for some basic file corruption |
| 02:54.06 | Chuck | maher: at which screen? |
| 02:55.25 | VlivE | anyone get the amd64-netinstall iso to see your cdrom during setup? |
| 02:55.27 | maher | Chuck: at any screen |
| 02:55.47 | eimajenthat | maher: seems to be acting the same as before |
| 02:56.19 | maher | eimajenthat: ok - reboot to the live cd - mount the hd and chroot into it - reinstall the kernel and yaboot- try again |
| 02:56.24 | Chuck | maher: i have a ~# sign now... |
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| 02:56.54 | VlivE | anyone? |
| 02:56.59 | VlivE | anyone get the amd64-netinstall iso to see your cdrom during setup? |
| 02:57.07 | maher | Chuck: do you know what partition your install is on? |
| 02:57.29 | Chuck | maher: yes |
| 02:57.30 | sonic_beatnik | If I ran "depmod" in a my current kernel, then compiled a new with some module changes, would that result in boot errors? |
| 02:58.08 | maher | Chuck: ok try mount /dev/hda1 /mnt, but replace hda1 with the name of the partition |
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| 02:59.15 | Chuck | maher: i don't know the name of the partition |
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| 02:59.31 | sonic_beatnik | cause I think something off with my kernel modules, everytime I compile a new kernel, or even if I use the Deb images, I can boot into it once, but then the second boot errors out with modprobe errors |
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| 02:59.51 | bekks | moin |
| 03:00.07 | maher | Chuck: try fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 03:00.12 | bekks | kannmir jemand bitte sagen wie ich jemanden dauerhaft zum op machen kann in einem channel? |
| 03:00.27 | bnovc | i have 2 problems that i was hoping someone could help me with 1) I can't get X11 forwarding to automatically set my DISPLAY and it fails from OSX and from non-network machines and 2) after I rebooted my server mysql won't start anymore |
| 03:01.04 | maher | bnovc: do you have xforwardning turned on in the sshd_config |
| 03:01.09 | bnovc | maher, yes |
| 03:01.16 | Chuck | maher: says fdisk not found |
| 03:01.31 | maher | Chuck: try /sbin/fdisk or /sbin/cfdisk |
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| 03:01.56 | maher | bnovc: does xforwarding work when you log in from non osx machines? |
| 03:02.08 | bnovc | maher, from windows it does ONLY if its from within my network |
| 03:02.14 | bnovc | and i have to export DISPLAY= |
| 03:02.28 | Chuck | maher: not found |
| 03:03.17 | maher | Chuck: well try hda5, 3, 2, 1in that order till one works... |
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| 03:04.12 | Vasistha | MoDaX: thanks for the tip on the dpkg -l piping bug! There was a great workaround, using export COLUMNS=1000. freed 300 MB on / -- which doubles my available space (!) |
| 03:04.47 | Chuck | maher: all failed |
| 03:04.50 | bnovc | maher, anything else I could do to try? I've tried reading google results for the past 3 days to no avail |
| 03:04.58 | maher | Chuck: ok - dunno |
| 03:05.15 | Chuck | should i do a reinstall??? |
| 03:05.46 | maher | bnovc: log in linux to linux and see if that works... |
| 03:05.56 | bnovc | maher, i don't have another linux box i can try from |
| 03:06.15 | maher | bnovc: login from the box to itself |
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| 03:06.52 | maher | Chuck: maybe - but pick a different kernel if you do... |
| 03:06.54 | bnovc | maher, ssh -> boxA; ssh -X boxA ? |
| 03:07.01 | maher | bnovc: yes |
| 03:07.21 | bnovc | maher, $DISPLAY is still empty |
| 03:07.27 | Chuck | maher: ok, thanks for everything |
| 03:07.49 | maher | bnovc: ok - dunno |
| 03:07.57 | sparr | What might cause this while formatting my new partition? Creating journal (32768 blocks): mke2fs: Device or resource busy while trying to create journal |
| 03:08.03 | bnovc | i've tried playing with xauth and xhost to no avail |
| 03:14.07 | dn4 | what is a leftist? |
| 03:16.06 | sparr | dn4: someone whose political views tend to the 'left' |
| 03:16.25 | dn4 | wtf is the left? |
| 03:16.43 | sparr | liberal i think? |
| 03:16.53 | sparr | its all the same to me |
| 03:17.58 | freakazoid0223 | hardcore democrat |
| 03:18.32 | sonic_beatnik | anyone ever seen the boot error "error running install command for binfmt_0000"? Everytime I compile a new kernel, the kernel boots the frist time but any reboot errs out with this |
| 03:18.34 | sparr | democrats and republicans vote mostly the same on the issues that matter to me, so i dont see much point in differentiating between them |
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| 03:19.30 | freakazoid0223 | they both f**k things up |
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| 03:22.51 | ojai | which one is "better" -- amavis-ng - AMaViS "Next Generation" or amavisd-new - Interface between MTA and virus scanner/content filters ? |
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| 03:23.46 | Vasistha | ojai: I don't know if they're mutually exclusive -- amavisd -- with a name ending in 'd' -- is probably a background daemon, whereas the other is not a daemon |
| 03:23.51 | Vasistha | (probably) |
| 03:25.26 | ojai | Vasistha: ah! I didn't realise that -- thanks! |
| 03:25.37 | Vasistha | you're welcome |
| 03:26.38 | ojai | hrm, actually installing -new conflicts and removes -ng |
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| 03:31.12 | iuvrall | what is the command to search for a string among all the files in a dir? |
| 03:32.42 | EdLin | iuvrall: are all of the files text? |
| 03:32.51 | iuvrall | EdLin: yes |
| 03:33.00 | EdLin | iuvrall: grep |
| 03:33.23 | iuvrall | EdLin: i know grep will do it but can u give me the full command? |
| 03:33.41 | EdLin | iuvrall: man grep |
| 03:33.44 | EdLin | !u |
| 03:33.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 03:34.28 | iuvrall | EdLin: Damn it! It's James, not Jim. |
| 03:34.32 | NaufraGo | is there any good antivirus application? |
| 03:35.36 | iuvrall | NaufraGo: try Panda, there is a free one for Linux. |
| 03:36.02 | EdLin | NaufraGo: several exist for getting red of email viruses on an email server. viruses, thanks to Linux's architecture, are not a problem on Linux |
| 03:36.23 | EdLin | (the ones for getting rid of email viruses are for eliminating windows email viruses) |
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| 03:42.21 | Elendal | Hi, how what program can I use to create a report with information about hardware installed on a system? |
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| 03:46.17 | Supaplex | !lart taco bell |
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| 03:48.43 | abrotman | simonrvn: :) |
| 03:48.50 | abrotman | blondie: no fish! .. too late! |
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| 03:49.02 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 03:49.05 | nekostar | ok wtf |
| 03:49.16 | NaufraGo | is there any good antivirus for debian? |
| 03:49.17 | nekostar | irc.debian.org is no longer linked to freenode?????????????????!?!?!?! |
| 03:49.21 | abrotman | simonrvn: i checked lastlog .. about advise vs advice |
| 03:49.23 | nekostar | NaufraGo, clam |
| 03:49.23 | abrotman | !oftc move |
| 03:49.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 03:49.30 | simonrvn | abrotman: oh, :) |
| 03:49.37 | abrotman | simonrvn: ok .. now .. sleep! |
| 03:49.39 | nekostar | wow thanx abrotman |
| 03:49.56 | simonrvn | abrotman: g'night |
| 03:50.29 | abrotman | simonrvn: night! |
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| 03:52.46 | jackblack | not a lot happening tonight |
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| 03:58.30 | redblades | Hi, where do I go to ask about shell scripting? |
| 03:58.49 | epictetus | whats your question |
| 03:58.49 | [TechGuy] | Quick Amavis question... To disable Amavis from sending back a DSN message to a spammer, I change the notify setting from D_BOUNCE to D_REJECT ? |
| 03:58.53 | epictetus | #bash maybe? |
| 03:59.25 | redblades | Well. I want to get Lynx to dump some output, and I only want the second line |
| 03:59.42 | [TechGuy] | err, wget? |
| 04:00.00 | redblades | wget? |
| 04:00.09 | redblades | no, I can get the info from lynx, |
| 04:00.20 | redblades | lynx -dump etc |
| 04:00.21 | ft | redblades: lynx -dump ... | head -n 2 | tail -n 1 |
| 04:00.22 | bnovc | i've enabled X11 forwarding in sshd_config but when i do ssh -X my $DISPLAY still doesnt get set and i can't run anything |
| 04:01.25 | redblades | ft, perfect, thankyou |
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| 04:01.38 | ft | you're welcome. |
| 04:01.40 | redblades | so, what is -n? |
| 04:01.58 | ft | man head ; man tail |
| 04:01.59 | ft | :) |
| 04:02.03 | redblades | fine |
| 04:02.07 | redblades | : ) |
| 04:02.20 | servus | -n ext time, you should read the man? |
| 04:02.34 | guk | where does crontab save it's files ... like when I go "crontab -e" what file does it open ? |
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| 04:03.54 | jackblack | how do i turn on my computer? |
| 04:04.04 | jackblack | lol |
| 04:04.13 | bengrubb | ... |
| 04:04.19 | jackblack | !lol |
| 04:04.20 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 04:04.31 | redblades | ft, look, I read it, but it is suggesting that it should be printing the first 2 lines and the lat line |
| 04:04.36 | redblades | but it isn't... |
| 04:04.58 | ft | guk: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 04:05.05 | guk | thanks |
| 04:05.18 | servus | And /etc/crontab |
| 04:05.30 | redblades | !dpkg |
| 04:05.30 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get> <apt> |
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| 04:05.55 | [TechGuy] | Anyone on my Amavis question? |
| 04:06.02 | bengrubb | does that mean you are a tool? |
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| 04:08.59 | GmLB | How can I get my RAID card module loaded before the system tries to automount it from fstab? |
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| 04:09.14 | redblades | OH! I get it! |
| 04:09.17 | Coweater | GmLB: initrd |
| 04:09.30 | redblades | Sorry, i forgot about the second pipe! |
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| 04:09.55 | dos000 | anyone i have this crc32c.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module while restarting racoon. how do i get this module to recompile ? |
| 04:09.58 | redblades | so, it tail is affecting the output of head, not the output of lynx... ? |
| 04:10.06 | GmLB | Coweater, do you suggest I build one myself? Or can debian's nifty package manager help me out |
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| 04:10.16 | GmLB | Coweater, and there's no easier way- I must build an initrd image |
| 04:10.18 | GmLB | that sucks! |
| 04:10.29 | Coweater | it's not hard |
| 04:10.33 | dos000 | in fact i want to recompile all modules that come with racoon |
| 04:11.06 | dos000 | i already recompiled my kernel .. thats is where the version skew is coming from |
| 04:11.35 | GmLB | Coweater, I don't need the raid disk drivers up that early even- just I need fstab to wait until drivers are mounted... can't I have it do that with one disk? |
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| 04:13.45 | michael117 | Would anyone mind helping me with a Ubuntu related question? It's all linux and pretty much the same and this channel has always been a lot kinder to me and helpful than the #ubuntu one |
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| 04:14.39 | kameron | can anyone help me get a sata drive working? |
| 04:14.52 | GmLB | Where can I put a command to run automatically with debian's startup? |
| 04:15.10 | michael117 | I think it would be in init.d |
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| 04:15.47 | GmLB | michael117, I don't need all this start/stop business |
| 04:16.04 | kameron | GmLB: if you're running kde, you can put it in /kde/Autostart |
| 04:16.24 | GmLB | kameron, I'm not :-\ |
| 04:16.38 | kameron | ah. |
| 04:16.49 | Coweater | GmLB: if you need to load a module just put it in /etc/modules |
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| 04:23.27 | VlivE | anyone get amd64-netinst.iso to boot past cdrom detection? |
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| 04:26.32 | sanmarcos | ViaD: no |
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| 04:27.57 | mythicness | how do you show which devices are bound to which hardware? |
| 04:28.10 | mythicness | eg I want to know what HW is bound to /dev/video0 specifically |
| 04:28.38 | sanmarcos | mythicness: lsmod |
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| 04:29.04 | sanmarcos | mythicness: there is some low level way to do it, but hal-device-manager can |
| 04:29.39 | mythicness | ta |
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| 04:31.46 | BobTheSpeaker | When you compile a kernel, does make-kpkg kernel_image handle creation and installation of modules as well? |
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| 04:32.15 | hanasaki | how do i get gpg tp go thru my squid http proxy? |
| 04:34.38 | sanmarcos | bobslaede: it creates debs |
| 04:34.52 | sanmarcos | hanasaki: huh? whats gpg 'tp' ? |
| 04:35.00 | sanmarcos | bobslaede: you install them at your discretion |
| 04:35.02 | dos000 | is there a quick way/list to know which driver for a certain nic ? i am trying to figure BCM5702X driver using google |
| 04:35.24 | sanmarcos | dos000: basically you are doomed |
| 04:35.33 | sanmarcos | dos000: try some linux hardware database on google |
| 04:35.38 | dos000 | sanmarcos, tow ! pray tell why |
| 04:36.21 | hanasaki | samuel: i am >gpg --keyserver and it is failing.. it doesnt know how to go thru my http pr9oxy |
| 04:36.46 | sanmarcos | hanasaki: try googling |
| 04:36.46 | dos000 | 2.6.14 is able to see the device whithout me modrpobing it. its 2.4.27 that i have issues with |
| 04:36.51 | hanasaki | i did |
| 04:36.52 | hanasaki | and man |
| 04:37.07 | sanmarcos | dos000: probably not supported, try greping the conf file in /boot/ |
| 04:37.09 | hanasaki | says it uses http_proxy from the environment..yet it is failing |
| 04:37.14 | hanasaki | lynx works though |
| 04:37.37 | sanmarcos | gpg issue |
| 04:37.52 | sanmarcos | try using env WHATEVER=whatever gpg --keyserver |
| 04:37.57 | sanmarcos | try running gpg in debug |
| 04:38.01 | sanmarcos | go to the gpg channel |
| 04:38.03 | sanmarcos | see their docs |
| 04:38.06 | sanmarcos | faq |
| 04:38.21 | hanasaki | k |
| 04:38.22 | BobTheSpeaker | How do i remove initrd requirement when making a custom kernel with 2.6, just turn it off in the kernel config and don't add the initrd line in grub? |
| 04:38.22 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 04:38.24 | sanmarcos | do some voodoo while you are a it too |
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| 04:38.37 | bengrubb | Hi, I've been on #cacti short of about 24 hours with no responce on a question, but does anyone here have cacti running with bandwidth graphing working? |
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| 04:38.50 | sanmarcos | BobTheSpeaker: initrd is if you cant load your hd because the fs module is not built in |
| 04:39.16 | sanmarcos | BobTheSpeaker: just make your hd fs, ext2 say, built in, and remove the initrd line from your menu.lst |
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| 04:39.29 | sanmarcos | bengrubb: you are doomed too |
| 04:39.36 | BobTheSpeaker | So just removing the initrd line is all I need to do to "disable" initrd? |
| 04:39.41 | bengrubb | sanmarcos: I am? |
| 04:39.59 | BobTheSpeaker | I am using ext3 and xfs (ext3 root) and I have it compiled directly into kernel) |
| 04:40.17 | sanmarcos | BobTheSpeaker: then remove the intird line in your menu.lst |
| 04:40.22 | sanmarcos | it does no harm |
| 04:40.34 | BobTheSpeaker | Thanks, i didn't think it was that easy. |
| 04:40.51 | sanmarcos | bengrubb: yes |
| 04:41.00 | bengrubb | sanmarcos: Why? |
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| 04:41.33 | sanmarcos | bengrubb: just guessing from what you said. Cacti is some obscure stuff, anyways |
| 04:41.40 | sanmarcos | this channel is dead on saturday |
| 04:42.18 | Dwonis | sanmarcos: and it's filled with the living dead on sunday |
| 04:42.25 | sanmarcos | !sunday |
| 04:42.25 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 04:42.28 | bengrubb | cacti is just some graphing thingo |
| 04:42.36 | sanmarcos | try munit |
| 04:42.39 | Dwonis | !saturday |
| 04:42.40 | dpkg | hmm... saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 04:42.43 | sanmarcos | there is a tutorial in debian-administration.org |
| 04:42.45 | bengrubb | sunday here |
| 04:43.09 | Dwonis | bengrubb: "sunday" is more of a subjective thing. Sometimes it's sunday here on tuesdays |
| 04:43.36 | simonrvn | it's always sunday. just more so on sunday |
| 04:43.46 | Dwonis | simonrvn: heh |
| 04:43.55 | bengrubb | Dwonis: I see |
| 04:43.55 | Dwonis | !start a flame war |
| 04:43.55 | dpkg | /. anyone? |
| 04:44.24 | simonrvn | !kill /. |
| 04:44.38 | Dwonis | dpkg is a "he" |
| 04:44.47 | simonrvn | !gender |
| 04:44.48 | Dwonis | ? |
| 04:44.48 | dpkg | I'm pregnant |
| 04:44.49 | bengrubb | all makes sense now? |
| 04:44.55 | sanmarcos | amen brother |
| 04:44.59 | simonrvn | !literal gender |
| 04:45.00 | dpkg | "#debian gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)" |
| 04:45.10 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 04:45.14 | sanmarcos | ohh dpkg has regex grouping, nice |
| 04:45.30 | simonrvn | it's a perl bot. of course ;) |
| 04:45.43 | Dwonis | !version |
| 04:45.43 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 04:45.55 | Dwonis | ok, that's not exactly what I meant |
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| 04:46.26 | Dwonis | anyway, it's blootbot |
| 04:46.45 | simonrvn | yup |
| 04:46.50 | simonrvn | !info blootbot |
| 04:47.02 | simonrvn | beh, updating |
| 04:47.09 | sanmarcos | !ubuntu |
| 04:47.09 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 04:47.21 | sanmarcos | that distro is going straight to heaven |
| 04:47.35 | sanmarcos | they got it right |
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| 04:47.54 | jackblack | did they? |
| 04:48.01 | simonrvn | Dwonis: got one of those 'native pride' caps :) |
| 04:48.11 | Dwonis | simonrvn: eh? |
| 04:48.21 | BobTheSpeaker | !based on debian |
| 04:48.21 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 04:48.56 | sanmarcos | kanotix. wtf is that |
| 04:49.02 | jackblack | sanmarcos, should we switch to ubuntu? |
| 04:49.11 | sanmarcos | jackblack: do whatever you want |
| 04:49.16 | sanmarcos | jackblack: as long as you dont touch my money |
| 04:49.20 | jackblack | lol |
| 04:49.24 | sanmarcos | you can do whatever you want man |
| 04:49.24 | jackblack | ouch |
| 04:49.31 | jackblack | i mean hehe |
| 04:49.38 | simonrvn | Dwonis: i guess you haven't seen them. they're baseball caps, with 'native' or 'native pride' on the bill or front, and various things like X'ed pipes, or buffalo skulls, medicine wheels, etc. |
| 04:50.15 | Dwonis | simonrvn: I assumed as much. Do you have an URL of photos or something? |
| 04:50.22 | jackblack | sanmarcos, i ask because i am installing a fresh copy of debian |
| 04:50.25 | simonrvn | hmm, lemme see |
| 04:50.26 | bnovc | when i do ssh -X server-ip my $DISPLAY is still empty |
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| 04:50.30 | bnovc | shouldn't this be automatically set? |
| 04:50.38 | sanmarcos | i am going to create my own distro, its basically sed 's/debian/sanmarcoslinux' |
| 04:50.44 | sanmarcos | its a totally new innovative concept |
| 04:53.27 | tictac | creating a new distro is a new concept? since when? |
| 04:53.48 | tictac | especially if it's based on debian.. thats not new at all. |
| 04:54.45 | epsilon | that's right, but there are some morons thinking different - such as Ubuntu |
| 04:54.47 | Dwonis | sanmarcos: where can I join sanmarcoslinux-legal, to argue about whether or not emacs is SLFSG-free or not |
| 04:54.52 | Dwonis | sanmarcos: ? |
| 04:54.54 | simonrvn | Dwonis: http://www.kokopellistreasures.com/natpridbasca.html http://www.members.tripod.com/ajrocha/hatcap.html |
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| 04:55.38 | Dwonis | simonrcn: which one do you have? |
| 04:55.46 | Dwonis | simonrvn even |
| 04:56.09 | stoned | hey irc.debian.org started going to oftc today |
| 04:56.15 | stoned | I just noticed |
| 04:56.18 | simonrvn | 2 X'ed pipes, they have a shadow too. larger usually (this case yeh) |
| 04:56.22 | Dwonis | ah.. is that why it's not Sunday here yet? |
| 04:56.29 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 04:56.42 | simonrvn | nick list gets bigger in the other one too |
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| 04:56.50 | stoned | yesterday 100, today 125 |
| 04:56.50 | sanmarcos | Dwonis: who cares man |
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| 04:57.07 | sanmarcos | Dwonis: vim rules |
| 04:57.13 | Dwonis | sanmarcos: heh.. indeed |
| 04:57.21 | sanmarcos | emacs is like fscking 90mb |
| 04:57.26 | stoned | personal preference rules |
| 04:57.27 | omi | Hello all, is there a variable in proc that I can conviniently read that show the number of active connections? |
| 04:57.33 | sanmarcos | i mean i dont say its bad, I just dont see a reason to try it |
| 04:57.37 | Dwonis | sanmarcos: but you're not a real Debian fork until you have -legal flamewars of your own |
| 04:57.48 | stoned | personal pref. > vim |
| 04:57.50 | stoned | :D |
| 04:57.54 | sanmarcos | Dwonis: im in argentina, nobody cares aobut the law |
| 04:58.06 | Dwonis | sanmarcos: heh |
| 04:58.10 | sanmarcos | Dwonis: if they dont like what I do with my distro, they can create their fork, its a one liner with sed |
| 04:58.23 | stoned | omi, active connections? |
| 04:58.27 | omi | yeah |
| 04:58.31 | stoned | omi, you mean like netstat? |
| 04:58.41 | omi | I'm just looking for a number |
| 04:58.45 | omi | no info |
| 04:58.53 | stoned | hmm, I dunno |
| 04:58.59 | sanmarcos | Dwonis: debconf8 is going to be in Argentina, or so I heard |
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| 04:59.07 | omi | Where does netstat get's its info? |
| 04:59.09 | omi | gets* |
| 04:59.13 | sanmarcos | Dwonis: not that it matters, I dont even know what it is |
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| 04:59.25 | stoned | omi, hit the manpage for netstat then |
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| 04:59.45 | sanmarcos | Dwonis: i used to go linux expo, I get free passes every year.. but it sucks.. its all about companies trying to make money.. MacWorld is 20 times better |
| 04:59.57 | sanmarcos | you actually get some free stuff |
| 05:00.01 | sanmarcos | thats why you go anyways |
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| 05:04.02 | pab | Is there a debian way to set up a network printer between 2 debian boxes? |
| 05:04.41 | Dwonis | pab: are you running cups? |
| 05:04.52 | pab | dwonis: yes |
| 05:04.55 | sanmarcos | !tell pab about cups setup |
| 05:05.09 | pab | I can't get the right uri |
| 05:06.09 | Dwonis | pab: what URL are you trying to use? |
| 05:06.23 | Dwonis | pab: also, are these two machines on the same LAN segment? |
| 05:08.02 | sparr | I have a hard drive that is probably broken in some way. Is there any program that will test read/write over the entire drive and tell me if theres any pattern to the errors? |
| 05:08.33 | epsilon | smart |
| 05:09.07 | pab | Dwonis: same lan segments. Have cupsys on the client, will try and install the other recommended on the client. One of the urls I used was smb://domain/host/printer |
| 05:09.25 | Dwonis | pab: ah.... you're trying to use samba |
| 05:09.34 | Dwonis | pab: I forget the correct way to do that |
| 05:09.57 | pab | Dwonis: can i do it without samba? |
| 05:09.57 | epsilon | pab: does the printer upport postscript and have own ethernet onnection? |
| 05:10.32 | Dwonis | pab: I think only if the server attached to the computer isn't a Windows box... I don't think Windows supports an IPP server |
| 05:10.46 | Dwonis | pab: In any case Samba *can* be made to work |
| 05:10.53 | Dwonis | pab: I just haven't done it in ages |
| 05:11.05 | pab | I think it supports postscript (HP Deskjest K80) but is connected to the parrallel (sp?) on the main puter |
| 05:11.38 | epsilon | then the "main pc" should run cups and receave printer rquest from other boxes |
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| 05:14.27 | pab | epsilon: the url on the "main pc" pc is ptal:/mlc:par:OfficeJet_K80. How can I tell the other computer to connect to that |
| 05:14.31 | d4t2ilL4 | hi |
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| 05:16.00 | d4t2ilL4 | I am installing the new 2.6.16 kernel from backports for sarge. it uninstalls grub and installs lilo, is there an extra step I need to follow or apt-get will do everythign for me? |
| 05:16.21 | Dwonis | wtf? why would it uninstall grub? |
| 05:18.58 | d4t2ilL4 | Dwonis, because grub 0.95 and mkinit isn't compatiable with the newer kernels |
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| 05:19.37 | Dwonis | d4t2ilL4: I didn't know it mattered. I have grub 0.97-5 here |
| 05:20.05 | d4t2ilL4 | i am using am64 version of sarge |
| 05:20.14 | h3xis | I just told debian to enable boot logging, but it's not creating a boot log in /var/log whenever my system starts up. Anyone know the reason behind this? |
| 05:20.18 | Dwonis | d4t2ilL4: ah |
| 05:20.40 | Dwonis | h3xis: You told debian to enable boot logging? how? |
| 05:21.03 | d4t2ilL4 | Dwonis, boot logging isn't it automatic? |
| 05:21.19 | Dwonis | d4t2ilL4: well, part of the problem is that I'm not sure what he means |
| 05:21.52 | sanmarcos | http://www.betterdesktop.org/wiki/index.php?title=Data < Novell is great |
| 05:22.02 | h3xis | in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 05:22.11 | h3xis | there's a line that asks if i want bootlogd to be enabled |
| 05:22.16 | h3xis | i changed it from No to Yes |
| 05:22.28 | h3xis | in the past it has always worked, but for some reason it hasn't on this installation |
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| 05:23.52 | Rodietze | just a simple question, because I'm afraid of the consequences. I'm about to install debian in anotehr partition, so after that debian grub will overide suse one... How can I revert that after it? |
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| 05:31.12 | Dwonis | Rodietze: Why don't you just not install Debian's bootloader at all, and configure SuSE's grub install to boot Debian? It's a little more work than just letting Debian manage the bootloader, but dual-boot systems are always a little more work |
| 05:33.00 | redblades | Hi again |
| 05:33.16 | redblades | How do I add a second hard drive? |
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| 05:33.54 | Dwonis | redblades: turn off your computer, open it up, find an IDE or SATA cable and a power supply cable, plug it in... |
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| 05:34.01 | Dwonis | redblades: can you be more specific? |
| 05:35.08 | redblades | I have the hard drive already inside |
| 05:35.14 | redblades | I need Debian to use it |
| 05:35.37 | pab | Thanks all...it works! cupsomatic-ppd needed to be replace by foomatic-filters and foomatic-filters-ppds but your dpkg msg was great |
| 05:35.37 | dpkg | pab: de rien |
| 05:35.41 | pab | thks! |
| 05:35.50 | redblades | Oh and I have a feeling that I have _no_ swap |
| 05:35.56 | redblades | haow do I add that? |
| 05:36.14 | redblades | I'd ike to be generous as I often find that large files cause havoc |
| 05:36.59 | Dwonis | wtf? dpkg says you're welcome? |
| 05:37.04 | Dwonis | thanks blah blh blah dpkg |
| 05:37.04 | dpkg | my pleasure, Dwonis |
| 05:37.07 | Dwonis | hah! |
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| 05:38.28 | Dwonis | redblades: Is Debian already installed on your computer? Do you know what the device node for your new hard drive is? Have you partitioned it? etc |
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| 05:39.02 | d4t2ilL4 | can lilo be stored in boot instead of the mbr? |
| 05:39.03 | redblades | okay, I have used this hard drive before |
| 05:39.08 | redblades | with windows |
| 05:39.23 | redblades | and I have Debian running on this box |
| 05:39.31 | redblades | (alone) |
| 05:39.36 | Dwonis | redblades: So do you want to wipe the hard drive? |
| 05:40.20 | redblades | there is nothing on it |
| 05:40.31 | redblades | I want to use both drives in tandem |
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| 05:41.23 | Dwonis | redblades: like you mean RAID? You'd have to reinstall for that. (Well you wouldn't *have* to, but you'd basically have to do a backup and restore) |
| 05:41.39 | Dwonis | redblades: Or do you just want to move, for example, /home onto the new drive? |
| 05:41.54 | Dwonis | redblades: or just add a bunch of free space somewhere? |
| 05:42.00 | redblades | That's it |
| 05:42.04 | redblades | more space |
| 05:42.06 | Dwonis | redblades: i.e. have you decided where you're going to mount the drive? |
| 05:42.36 | redblades | no, I don't know what that means |
| 05:42.45 | redblades | I know what mountis |
| 05:42.57 | redblades | just I don't know where I put it |
| 05:43.01 | redblades | /dev/??? ? |
| 05:43.28 | Dwonis | redblades: well, for my desktop machine, I just did made a directory called /mnt/a and mounted an extra hard drive here |
| 05:44.20 | redblades | Okay, so Debian would just use that as extra space? |
| 05:44.42 | Dwonis | redblades: no, *I* would use that as extra space, i.e. I'd specifically put things there |
| 05:45.07 | redblades | Okay, that's not what I want then |
| 05:45.18 | Dwonis | redblades: It's like adding a "D:" drive DOS/Windows, except rather than having to be in one place (D:\), it can be mounted wherever you want |
| 05:45.42 | Dwonis | redblades: what's this space going to be used *for*, primarily? |
| 05:45.43 | redblades | okay, I want to put "/home" on the smaller hard drive (20G) |
| 05:45.56 | Dwonis | redblades: the smaller drive is the new one or the old one? |
| 05:46.11 | redblades | the smaller one is the non-used one |
| 05:46.16 | Dwonis | redblades: perfect |
| 05:46.19 | redblades | they are the same age |
| 05:46.21 | Dwonis | redblades: so have you partitioned the new drive? |
| 05:46.41 | redblades | no, this is where I get confused |
| 05:46.48 | redblades | partitions scareme |
| 05:46.55 | redblades | : ) |
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| 05:47.10 | Dwonis | redblades: ok, do you know what I mean by "primary master", "secondary master", "secondary slave", etc? |
| 05:47.49 | matthew_i | has anyone been able to play dvd's with the new totem-gstreamer 1.4.1? |
| 05:47.55 | redblades | no, sorry |
| 05:47.56 | matthew_i | i am having trouble doing it |
| 05:48.00 | redblades | I've heard of them. |
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| 05:48.27 | Dwonis | redblades: ok, so I guess you don't know which device node your hard drive is on? (i.e. /dev/hda, /dev/hdb, /dev/hdc, etc?) |
| 05:48.53 | redblades | i'd assume its /dev/hda |
| 05:49.52 | Dwonis | redblades: don't |
| 05:49.58 | redblades | okay |
| 05:49.59 | Dwonis | redblades: /dev/hda could be your *existing* drive |
| 05:50.12 | redblades | So how do I... check? |
| 05:50.24 | Dwonis | redblades: Can you post your /etc/fstab to a paster? |
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| 05:50.45 | redblades | okay |
| 05:51.16 | AntiFreeze | okay, I'm out for tonight |
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| 05:52.09 | Supaplex | I just ran debootstrap for a chroot instance of postfix. How do I pickup syslogs from that instance? |
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| 05:53.13 | Supaplex | nm, it's working now. restarted the syslogd in the chroot. |
| 05:53.21 | redblades | http://pastebin.com/757061 |
| 05:53.43 | redblades | Dwonis, http://pastebin.com/757061 |
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| 05:54.47 | Dwonis | redblades: ok, /dev/hda is your main hard drive, /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd are CD/DVD drives, so I'm guessing /dev/hdb is your hard drive |
| 05:54.55 | xanavim | does anyone know how to make sid2wav work? the manpage doesn't specify output file, but I get the error "coult not open file for binary input" |
| 05:55.21 | Dwonis | redblades: you can probably run "cfdisk /dev/hdb" to edit the partition table of the new drive. |
| 05:55.46 | Dwonis | redblades: You'll want to create a smallish partition for swap, and then another one for your filesystem. |
| 05:55.54 | minerale | what is the package name for tor onion routing? |
| 05:56.32 | redblades | Yikes |
| 05:56.47 | redblades | Dwonis, this screen is a bit... hostile |
| 05:57.13 | redblades | Okay, create new partitions? |
| 05:57.34 | Dwonis | redblades: hostile? you should see sfdisk! |
| 05:57.40 | Dwonis | redblades: you might have to delete the old one first |
| 05:57.42 | Dwonis | redblades: but yes |
| 05:57.52 | redblades | There is nothing there! |
| 05:57.59 | redblades | so no need to delete |
| 05:58.07 | redblades | but logical? |
| 05:58.11 | redblades | or Primary? |
| 05:58.30 | Dwonis | redblades: If you're only going to have two partitions, primary is more compatible |
| 05:58.52 | redblades | okay |
| 05:58.55 | Dwonis | redblades: but logical lets you have > 4 partitions, whereas you can only have 0-4 primary partitions |
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| 05:59.03 | Dwonis | redblades: hence the option |
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| 06:01.00 | redblades | and size? |
| 06:01.43 | redblades | the total is 40020.67 |
| 06:01.52 | redblades | Dwonis ^^^ |
| 06:02.34 | Dwonis | redblades: sounds like it's a 40GB drive |
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| 06:02.49 | redblades | yeah I forgot |
| 06:03.05 | Dwonis | redblades: the size can be whatever you want, though more than 1GB of swap is pointless |
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| 06:03.26 | lunitik | Dwonis: why pointless? |
| 06:03.54 | lunitik | (not that I'm disagreeing... ) |
| 06:04.02 | Dwonis | lunitik: well, performance, I think. I don't think Linux's swap allocator is really designed for large swap areas |
| 06:04.10 | Dwonis | lunitik: and if you need that much swap you should get more RAM |
| 06:04.53 | Dwonis | lunitik: I don't really remember. I remember reading something about it on (I think) linux-kernel |
| 06:04.57 | lunitik | Dwonis: I have 640 MB RAM... 3 GB swap, basically cuz it seemed like a cool number... and I won't use that space anyways prolly... |
| 06:05.18 | lunitik | 37 GB for / is plenty when /home is another 40 :/ |
| 06:05.33 | Dwonis | lunitik: It may have changed now, but you might get a bit of a performance boost if you get rid of some of the swap space that will never get used anyway |
| 06:05.51 | lunitik | I shoulda set up an LVM and done better partitioning, but meh... |
| 06:05.57 | redblades | so, whatever I make this... the rest is swap? |
| 06:06.33 | Dwonis | redblades: you create two partitions: one for swap, and one for a filesystem... so yes |
| 06:06.34 | pab | lunitik: I think I've heard/read that for desktop operations over a gig is not needed. Specialized program apps only need more |
| 06:06.55 | redblades | excellent |
| 06:07.00 | lunitik | pab: its not effecting performance here... so its fine I suppose |
| 06:07.11 | lunitik | affecting* |
| 06:07.17 | Dwonis | lunitik: The only exception to my "> 1GB is insane" rule is if you have more than 1GB of RAM. Then it's handy to have at least that much swap for swsusp purposes |
| 06:08.20 | Dwonis | I got a major performance boost recently by moving my swap to a separate physical hard disk |
| 06:08.42 | Dwonis | I have 512 MiB of RAM (the maximum my BIOS/motherboard allows me to have) |
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| 06:09.18 | Dwonis | running W2K/VMware at the same time as Firefox, some KDE app (Kopete), and "apt-cache search" tended to really hang up the machine |
| 06:10.02 | Dwonis | swap on a different drive helped a lot (mainly because the machine could copy data from /var/lib/dpkg/info to my swap partition on the other drive) |
| 06:10.11 | lunitik | Dwonis: that might be an idea for me also... my swap is on same hdd as / :( |
| 06:10.11 | Dwonis | or at least, it feels that way |
| 06:10.14 | Dwonis | could be the placebo effect |
| 06:10.35 | lunitik | Dwonis: seems logical |
| 06:10.40 | Dwonis | more RAM would definitely be better, but my stupid Compaq BIOS complains that > 512 MiB is not supported |
| 06:10.58 | Dwonis | and I'm not in a position to buy a new desktop right now |
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| 06:11.30 | redblades | Dwonis, make it bootable, that sounds fine... but I thought I'd check with you... |
| 06:11.44 | Dwonis | redblades: don't bother; it won't boot from it anyway |
| 06:12.03 | redblades | Okay |
| 06:12.08 | redblades | So what do I do then? |
| 06:12.21 | Dwonis | redblades: run "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" and post the results in a paster |
| 06:12.23 | redblades | Write? |
| 06:12.28 | Dwonis | redblades: oh... |
| 06:12.42 | foo | I am having some cable issues and it's REALLY bugging me. I have a linux router ... here is some info - http://pastebin.com/757071 ... does anyone have any ideas? |
| 06:12.42 | redblades | Do I write? |
| 06:12.42 | Dwonis | redblades: did you set the "Type" for your swap partition to "82" |
| 06:12.54 | redblades | yep |
| 06:12.57 | Dwonis | redblades: ok, then write |
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| 06:13.24 | redblades | Uhh... Solaris? |
| 06:13.30 | blahheva | anyone here running boinc on a sparc |
| 06:13.32 | Dwonis | foo: did you try resetting the cable modem? |
| 06:13.37 | valdyn | foo: why do you need to change your mac to change your ip? |
| 06:13.43 | Supaplex | I have logs that say User unknown in virtual alias table, but postmap -q email@example.com on the virtual_alias_maps map returns a local user. What else did I miss? |
| 06:13.54 | Dwonis | valdyn: for my ISP you have to, because they give us static addresses :) |
| 06:14.09 | redblades | Dwonis, Linux Swap / Solaris ? |
| 06:14.09 | valdyn | foo: change mac is just confusing for the connected ethernet devices.. |
| 06:14.14 | Dwonis | redblades: yeah |
| 06:14.17 | redblades | cool |
| 06:14.20 | foo | Dwonis: yes |
| 06:14.28 | foo | valdyn: eh, it was stupid. It's just something that has worked in the past. |
| 06:14.41 | foo | valdyn: I actually restarted my linux server so I now have original mac |
| 06:14.50 | redblades | Do I quit now? |
| 06:14.57 | redblades | Dwonis? |
| 06:14.58 | valdyn | foo: reading your paste, what is your problem? |
| 06:15.01 | Dwonis | redblades: once you've written, yes |
| 06:15.11 | redblades | sorry, I forgot to highlight |
| 06:15.13 | foo | valdyn: dhclient3 or dhclient is not pulling an IP |
| 06:15.15 | redblades | Okay then cool |
| 06:15.24 | redblades | Is that all or... ? |
| 06:15.30 | Dwonis | redblades: well, not quite |
| 06:15.51 | Dwonis | redblades: that's all in cfdisk, but you still have to mkswap, mkfs, and edit /etc/fstab... which we can help you with if you need |
| 06:16.04 | redblades | please |
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| 06:16.08 | Dwonis | redblades: and, I guess, move the data from old /home to the new partition |
| 06:16.14 | sanmarcos | one needs root privileges to print even when he is in the lpadmin and lp group? lp quits saying lp: unable to create temporary file "/var/tmp/44827a942629c" - Permission denied |
| 06:16.14 | redblades | yep |
| 06:16.23 | Dwonis | redblades: so run "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" and post it to a paster |
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| 06:16.50 | Dwonis | sanmarcos: why is it trying to write directly to /var/tmp ? |
| 06:17.09 | sanmarcos | Dwonis: id like to know |
| 06:17.17 | Dwonis | sanmarcos: also, what print system are you using (cups?) |
| 06:17.20 | redblades | Dwonis, http://pastebin.com/757075 |
| 06:17.24 | foo | valdyn: Any other ideas? bleh. |
| 06:17.29 | sanmarcos | Dwonis: yes |
| 06:17.59 | sanmarcos | Dwonis: anyways, I will figure this out by myself :( |
| 06:18.02 | valdyn | foo: not familar with this type of modem really, there was a tool to do pings on the ethernet level, below IP |
| 06:18.07 | valdyn | foo: cant find it =/ |
| 06:18.07 | sanmarcos | ehh tha was meant to be a happy face Dwonis |
| 06:18.14 | foo | valdyn: ah, thanks. hmm |
| 06:18.30 | Dwonis | redblades: um... you just made a 40 GB swap partition |
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| 06:18.35 | Dwonis | redblades: try again |
| 06:18.37 | cantona | n |
| 06:18.38 | redblades | oh dear |
| 06:19.09 | valdyn | foo: modems here do not use dhcp that way, the just bridge ppp |
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| 06:20.06 | redblades | beginning or end? |
| 06:20.07 | Dwonis | valdyn: like arping? |
| 06:20.26 | Dwonis | valdyn: for the swap or the filesystem? |
| 06:20.34 | Dwonis | valdyn: ignore that last one |
| 06:20.34 | valdyn | Dwonis: yea probably |
| 06:20.38 | valdyn | foo: try arping |
| 06:20.39 | Dwonis | redblades: for the swap or the filesystem? |
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| 06:21.08 | redblades | umm... well it was the thing I set to 40 G last time |
| 06:21.12 | valdyn | foo: think you should be able to 'ping' your ISPs mac |
| 06:21.44 | Supaplex | will a chroot instance of postfix give User unknown in virtual alias table even if postmap shows it's looking up correctly? |
| 06:22.01 | Dwonis | redblades: usually you want to put your filesystem at the beginning of the drive, and your swap at the end, because it's usually easier to later resize a filesystem that's at the beginning of the drive, if you so choose |
| 06:22.06 | foo | valdyn: So I should try to ping my modem's mac ? |
| 06:22.23 | valdyn | foo: yea |
| 06:22.42 | Dwonis | redblades: the filesystem is the one that you want to be big (it's the one that you put files on), and the swap should be relatively small |
| 06:22.50 | valdyn | foo: if that works the error is between modem and ISP, i suppose, and isnt debian related ) |
| 06:22.59 | Dwonis | valdyn: arping doesn't let you "ping a MAC" |
| 06:23.05 | Dwonis | valdyn: actually, I don't think anything lets you do that |
| 06:23.43 | valdyn | Dwonis: arp does that |
| 06:24.04 | Dwonis | valdyn: eh? arp just sets entries in your arp table |
| 06:24.17 | Dwonis | valdyn: arping sends out a broadcast "who has $IP_ADDRESS?" |
| 06:24.21 | valdyn | Dwonis: Description: sends IP and/or ARP pings (to the MAC address) |
| 06:24.28 | valdyn | Dwonis: hmm |
| 06:24.42 | foo | valdyn: hehe, thanks |
| 06:24.55 | Dwonis | valdyn: hmm... maybe it does something else |
| 06:25.36 | valdyn | Dwonis: im pretty ignorant about stuff below ip, but i think ARP permits 'what IP dress do you have' queries by mac |
| 06:25.56 | redblades | Dwonis, I set this to 40G last time, thinking that it was the filesystem, but it was the swap |
| 06:26.17 | Dwonis | valdyn: it actually looks like arping will do what you want. Apparently if you give it a MAC address, it'll figure out the associated IP address and ping it (with regular ICMP echo packets) |
| 06:26.27 | justice | I have just installed debian sarge. and was wondering what are some good repositorys to add to synaptic? |
| 06:26.28 | Dwonis | valdyn: so you still need an IP stack, but it might just work :) |
| 06:26.30 | foo | valdyn: Alright - any other words of advice? I won't be online when doing this change... hm. |
| 06:26.32 | redblades | now when I made it 30MB, I was not given another option to make a file system and it calls the rest "free space" |
| 06:26.41 | redblades | Dwonis ^^^ |
| 06:26.58 | Dwonis | redblades: redblades: move the cursor down to the free space, and then select "create" (or whatever it's called) |
| 06:27.26 | valdyn | foo: reset any hardware involved, try again, phone ISP, that's it, sorry |
| 06:28.00 | valdyn | !arp |
| 06:28.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, arp is the address resolution protocol, which converts IP addresses to MAC addresses, or man 8 arp |
| 06:28.15 | foo | valdyn: it's cool. Thanks. I've already called ISP. Everything is good on their end ... which I expected. Here goes nothing |
| 06:28.38 | redblades | Dwonis, http://pastebin.com/757082 |
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| 06:29.00 | Dwonis | valdyn: ah, apparently "arping $MAC_ADDRESS" will only work if the target address will respond to "broadcast" pings |
| 06:29.11 | Dwonis | valdyn: i.e. the equivalent of "ping 255.255.255.255" |
| 06:29.19 | justice | I have got no sound when I log in? |
| 06:29.28 | redblades | turn up the volume |
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| 06:30.16 | justice | no it says cant conect to sound system /dev/? bad permitions |
| 06:30.55 | Dwonis | redblades: you forgot to set the partition type. You can do that quickly by executing: echo -e 't\n1\n82\np\nw\nq' | fdisk /dev/hdb |
| 06:30.56 | valdyn | justice: add that user to the audio group |
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| 06:32.25 | Dwonis | foo: you could also make sure that eth0 is *really* the interface that connects to your cable modem |
| 06:32.50 | Dwonis | foo: from your mii-tool output, I would tend to think that it might not be |
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| 06:32.57 | Dwonis | foo: but that's just a wild guess |
| 06:33.10 | justice | hey thanks. |
| 06:33.25 | nekostar | nooooooooooooooooooo!!! no gnome art>?!?!?!?! |
| 06:33.30 | foo | Dwonis: hmm... I have had that issue before .. eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok ... but that's what mii-tool says... which means it is connected, IIRC. |
| 06:34.02 | Dwonis | foo: I know... but are you sure that eth1 isn't the one that's connected to your cable modem? |
| 06:34.10 | Dwonis | foo: i.e. what does "dhclient eth1" do? |
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| 06:34.49 | foo | Dwonis: yeah.. .haha.. I actually ping'd my server locally ... took down eth1 for 2 seconds ... and notice a skip in ping # ... so I know it's not eth1. I do also have eth2 .. but that says - SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth2' failed: Invalid argument .. and I doubt it's that one. About 90% sure it is not that one |
| 06:34.56 | justice | I had a bitch of a time installing, I didn't deleat /home/user and I was prevosly running slack and I guess uid and gid are diffrent ;) |
| 06:35.06 | Dwonis | foo: then what *is* eth2? |
| 06:35.14 | foo | Dwonis: Extra ethernet card that is bad |
| 06:35.22 | foo | Dwonis: It's the built in.. .it's not bad, it just has a short. |
| 06:36.07 | valdyn | foo: how do you know that is really eth2 that is your internal card? |
| 06:36.20 | redblades | Dwonis, http://pastebin.com/757086 |
| 06:36.35 | Dwonis | redblades: perfect |
| 06:36.35 | redblades | Dwonis: Did I get it right this time? |
| 06:36.49 | redblades | Hurray, is that it? |
| 06:37.03 | Dwonis | redblades: no, there's still quite a bit yet |
| 06:37.23 | Dwonis | redblades: you have to initialize the swap space and the filesystem |
| 06:37.30 | redblades | that's oaky, of you are willing to help, I am willing to listen |
| 06:37.37 | Dwonis | redblades: for this part, make *sure* you don't screw up the typing |
| 06:37.38 | redblades | ***okay |
| 06:37.45 | redblades | Okay |
| 06:37.51 | Dwonis | redblades: if you type "hda" when you really mean "hdb", you'll hose your existing hard drive |
| 06:38.01 | Dwonis | redblades: mkswap -v1 /dev/hdb1 |
| 06:38.01 | redblades | I'll be extra special careful. He he he |
| 06:38.27 | redblades | so, mkswap -v1 /dev/hda1 ? |
| 06:38.31 | simonrvn | -v1 ? |
| 06:38.36 | Dwonis | redblades: if you like pain |
| 06:38.39 | simonrvn | eh |
| 06:38.39 | justice | how do I get a resolution higher than 800x600? I auto detected moniter and used the ati driver |
| 06:38.43 | redblades | He he he |
| 06:38.56 | Dwonis | simonrvn: hmm... I guess mkswap now defaults to -v1 |
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| 06:39.03 | redblades | Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 29929 kB |
| 06:39.04 | redblades | no label, UUID=c265c73e-3e74-4af8-aaba-2e5af9d779e6 |
| 06:39.06 | simonrvn | has for a while |
| 06:39.12 | Dwonis | simonrvn: heh... probably |
| 06:39.31 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:39.36 | Dwonis | redblades: good. next: mke2fs -j /dev/hdb2 |
| 06:40.07 | Dwonis | simonrvn: heh. I remember tracking Linux 2.1 |
| 06:40.19 | Dwonis | simonrvn: that was when you could still trust development kernels |
| 06:40.21 | simonrvn | :). nice |
| 06:40.25 | simonrvn | yeh.. |
| 06:40.54 | redblades | okay done |
| 06:41.08 | Dwonis | simonrvn: and you could compile them on a Pentium 120, and it would actually finish |
| 06:41.14 | Dwonis | simonrvn: well, eventually |
| 06:41.25 | simonrvn | within 6 hours ;) |
| 06:41.35 | Dwonis | simonrvn: sounds about right... it was an overnight thing |
| 06:41.51 | redblades | Dwonis |
| 06:42.02 | redblades | oaky odne |
| 06:42.06 | redblades | okay done |
| 06:42.15 | Dwonis | redblades: are you running your IRC client on this machine, or a different one? |
| 06:42.26 | redblades | this machine.... Oh |
| 06:42.28 | redblades | why? |
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| 06:42.37 | Dwonis | redblades: well, moving /home could be... interesting |
| 06:42.43 | Dwonis | redblades: what IRC client are you using? |
| 06:42.48 | redblades | Xchat |
| 06:42.54 | redblades | I could use BitchX |
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| 06:43.25 | Dwonis | redblades: you might want to do that... and log out of X and use the console instead. The fewer things you have using /home, the less chance there is of something getting screwed up |
| 06:43.36 | redblades | init 1? |
| 06:44.40 | Vasistha | redblades: yeah, init 1 is a good idea for moving /home |
| 06:44.49 | redblades | really> |
| 06:44.59 | Dwonis | redblades: hold on |
| 06:45.02 | redblades | okay |
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| 06:45.50 | LinuxHelp | How do I change my IP in sarge? something like reconfigure-network ? |
| 06:45.51 | redblades | why non-root? |
| 06:46.12 | Dwonis | !root |
| 06:46.13 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 06:46.48 | redblades | Oh of course |
| 06:47.11 | redblades | can sudo be used under Debian? |
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| 06:47.17 | dondelelcaro | redblades: yes |
| 06:47.19 | epsilon | yes |
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| 06:47.43 | redblades | could I not sudo the commands that require it? |
| 06:48.09 | epsilon | he? |
| 06:48.48 | LinuxHelp | dpkg-reconfigure network? |
| 06:48.51 | Dwonis | redblades: the main problem is that there may be some time where /home doesn't have the proper stuff in it, and I don't know how your IRC client will handle it |
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| 06:49.08 | Dwonis | redblades: and I want you to have some means of coming back and asking for help if something bad happens |
| 06:49.10 | LinuxHelp | dpkg-reconfigure theplanet? |
| 06:49.21 | redblades | How thoughtful |
| 06:49.25 | dondelelcaro | redblades: you need to set up /etc/sudoers then. |
| 06:49.40 | redblades | but it would work otherwisE? |
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| 06:50.26 | foo | valerr, I just restarted and it worked. /me sighs. Doesn't make sense. :/ |
| 06:50.28 | Dwonis | redblades: ok, what you can do is create a user whose home directory isn't in /home |
| 06:50.36 | Dwonis | redblades: adduser --home /notroot notroot |
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| 06:52.22 | redblades | done |
| 06:52.51 | redblades | so, now init 1 ? |
| 06:53.08 | Dwonis | redblades: ok, once you're in single-user mode, you'll want to have a shell open at the same time as you have IRC open. |
| 06:53.21 | redblades | single user mode |
| 06:53.36 | Dwonis | redblades: so once you get a shell, run this: getty 38400 tty2 & getty 38400 tty3 & |
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| 06:53.52 | Dwonis | redblades: then you'll be able to Alt-F2 and log in as notroot and run bitchx from there |
| 06:54.24 | redblades | wait, but single user means one window doesn't it? |
| 06:54.32 | Dwonis | redblades: that's what the getty is for |
| 06:54.37 | LinuxHelp | Is there any1 willing to help, as opposed to discuss, here? |
| 06:54.37 | dn4 | http://dna.cyberia-archives.com/ |
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| 06:55.50 | Dwonis | LinuxHelp: what's your question? |
| 06:56.08 | LinuxHelp | Dwonis: How do I change my IP in sarge? something like reconfigure-network ? |
| 06:56.12 | Dwonis | LinuxHelp: man 5 interfaces |
| 06:56.22 | redblades | Okay then here goes... |
| 06:56.28 | LinuxHelp | so its the interfaces package |
| 06:56.28 | redblades | init 1 now? |
| 06:56.36 | LinuxHelp | which I pass to dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:56.39 | Dwonis | LinuxHelp: no, you edit the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 06:56.45 | Dwonis | LinuxHelp: I don't think there is a dpkg-reconfigure for the network |
| 06:56.53 | LinuxHelp | ah |
| 06:57.01 | Dwonis | redblades: if you have that getty command I gave you written down, then yes |
| 06:57.01 | LinuxHelp | thx |
| 06:57.07 | redblades | yep okay |
| 06:57.13 | redblades | see you soon |
| 06:57.16 | evilgeek | vi /etc/network/interfaces; ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
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| 06:58.35 | gawaine | Hi |
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| 07:02.20 | Dwonis | oh man, have you guys seen that Nacho_19LP guy on irc://irc.oftc.net/debian ? |
| 07:02.36 | Dwonis | way too excitable |
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| 07:03.11 | redblades | Hello |
| 07:03.14 | Dwonis | redblades: hey |
| 07:03.14 | redblades | I'm back |
| 07:03.23 | redblades | I'm not in runlevel 1 |
| 07:03.28 | Dwonis | redblades: oh? :) |
| 07:03.29 | redblades | something went wrong |
| 07:03.35 | Dwonis | redblades: what happened? |
| 07:04.01 | redblades | I typed the getty command and it seemed to have and issue with the syntax or something |
| 07:04.10 | redblades | but I hit Alt F2 |
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| 07:04.26 | redblades | and then it didn't recognise the password |
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| 07:04.35 | redblades | I must have typed it wrong |
| 07:04.46 | redblades | how do I reset the password for nonroot? |
| 07:04.54 | Dwonis | redblades: as root, "passwd nonroot" |
| 07:05.18 | redblades | passwd: Unknown user nonroot |
| 07:05.33 | Dwonis | redblades: oh... maybe you messed up when creating the user? |
| 07:05.39 | kristalino | i tried keychain, but the authorized_keys is automagically removed after few minutes. Any help ? |
| 07:05.40 | etch4me | Installed jre from unstable but LimeWire will not run? |
| 07:05.43 | gawaine | "apt-get install kdelibs" wants to remove kdelibs-bin, why ? (kdelibs depends from kdelibs-bin >= 4:3.5.2-2 and I have kdelibs-bin = 4:3.5.2-2+b1) |
| 07:05.48 | Dwonis | redblades: adduser --home /nonroot nonroot |
| 07:05.57 | gawaine | this happens in Sid |
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| 07:06.19 | Dwonis | redblades: or maybe you created notroot |
| 07:06.23 | Dwonis | redblades: and not nonroot |
| 07:06.54 | redblades | yep that was it |
| 07:07.01 | redblades | wrong username |
| 07:07.09 | Vasistha | etch4me: have you checked out giFT ? |
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| 07:07.34 | redblades | okay, what was the getty thing again? |
| 07:07.36 | etch4me | Vasistha: no ?? |
| 07:07.53 | Dwonis | redblades: you wrote it down, didn't you? |
| 07:07.59 | Vasistha | etch4me: it's a tool to connect to some free and proprietary p2p networks |
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| 07:08.20 | Dwonis | redblades: getty 38400 tty2 & getty 38400 tty3 & |
| 07:08.30 | etch4me | Va |
| 07:08.46 | etch4me | Vasistha: Where can I paste? |
| 07:09.24 | Vasistha | !paste |
| 07:09.24 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 07:09.26 | Mr_Smiley | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.29 | etch4me | I have jre 1.5 installed |
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| 07:11.23 | etch4me | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.30 | redblades | oaky |
| 07:11.34 | redblades | i'll be back |
| 07:11.40 | etch4me | Vasistha: check it out |
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| 07:15.04 | Vasistha | etch4me: yeah... I don't really know how to help you at the moment :P |
| 07:15.30 | etch4me | has worked fine on sarge |
| 07:15.39 | etch4me | but etch...mmmm |
| 07:16.42 | etch4me | Where is the printer wizard in kde 3.5.2? |
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| 07:17.49 | redblades | Hello? |
| 07:17.56 | Dwonis | redblades: hola |
| 07:18.02 | redblades | Yay |
| 07:18.06 | redblades | I'm "in" |
| 07:18.09 | redblades | brb |
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| 07:19.51 | redblades | Hi, I'm just cooking something, but I'll be right with you |
| 07:20.12 | redblades | is there a way to get xmms to play from the command line? |
| 07:20.22 | redblades | or to play a song? |
| 07:20.41 | Dwonis | redblades: yes but I wouldn't bother try it in single-user mode |
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| 07:21.03 | dondelelcaro | redblades: man xmms; has the documentation on how you can control xmms from the command line |
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| 07:22.36 | Supaplex | in iptables, when a rule in in the nat table, and the prerouting chain, must it have a destination address? I'm attempting to jump to DNAT based only on a specific port |
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| 07:29.46 | redblades | back |
| 07:30.07 | redblades | so, where were we> |
| 07:30.07 | redblades | ? |
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| 07:30.51 | redblades | Dwonis? |
| 07:31.43 | Dwonis | redblades: what you want to do next is to mount the new filesystem we created, and then copy the data from the existing /home to it |
| 07:31.55 | redblades | oaky |
| 07:31.57 | redblades | okay |
| 07:32.09 | redblades | how? |
| 07:32.25 | Dwonis | redblades: so, we make some random directory: mkdir /blah |
| 07:32.42 | redblades | mkdir /blah |
| 07:32.45 | Dwonis | redblades: then mount the new filesystem there: mount /dev/hdb2 /blah |
| 07:33.13 | redblades | does it have to be /blah? : ) I like /ratm better |
| 07:33.34 | Dwonis | redblades: sure, whatever |
| 07:33.41 | redblades | cool |
| 07:33.49 | Dwonis | redblades: then, copy everything from /home to /ratm: cp -av /home/* /ratm/ |
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| 07:34.56 | redblades | go on |
| 07:35.03 | Supaplex | rysnc -avP ... :) |
| 07:35.11 | Dwonis | redblades: it's done already? |
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| 07:35.44 | Dwonis | Supaplex: yes, if rsync was installed by default |
| 07:36.22 | redblades | no, but I can't do more than one thing at once, can I? |
| 07:37.27 | redblades | can I??? |
| 07:37.34 | Dwonis | redblades: huh? |
| 07:37.35 | kristalino | i tried keychain, but the authorized_keys is automagically removed after few minutes. Any help ? |
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| 07:37.52 | Dwonis | redblades: so have you started yet? |
| 07:38.21 | kristalino | i tried with --timeout 50000 without success :/ |
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| 07:38.52 | redblades | Dwonis, If I did, I'd have to leave BitchX |
| 07:39.04 | Dwonis | redblades: Alt-F3? |
| 07:39.08 | redblades | oh |
| 07:39.24 | hugle | Heya ppl. Is there a way to list domains where server is master of these domains ?? |
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| 07:41.34 | dn4 | Does anyone know why shockwave vids lag up when I watch them? |
| 07:41.41 | peterS | hugle: you can read /etc/bind/named.conf and the files it includes, on the name server, to see what domains *it* thinks it owns |
| 07:42.14 | dn4 | I mean flash |
| 07:42.32 | hugle | peterS, but i I wanna see what domains does : ns1.X.com is master of ? ot at least he thinks he is ? ;) |
| 07:42.38 | hugle | *if |
| 07:42.54 | peterS | hugle: yeah so log into ns1.x.com and read /etc/bind/named.conf |
| 07:43.04 | peterS | hugle: if you can't do that, then no, there isn't a way to map those things that I know of |
| 07:43.41 | hugle | peterS, well, I can't log on into X :) thanks for information |
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| 07:45.28 | redblades | Dwonis: Okay, done |
| 07:45.42 | Dwonis | redblades: now: umount /ratm |
| 07:46.11 | redblades | Sorry, what was that? |
| 07:46.22 | redblades | I missed it and I hit F3 |
| 07:46.29 | Dwonis | redblades: umount /ratm |
| 07:47.03 | Dwonis | redblades: and then: mv /home /oldhome ; mkdir /home |
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| 07:47.18 | redblades | thanks, oh and if I hit Alt+F2 while I'm in Alt+F3, can I swap between them? |
| 07:47.25 | redblades | or does it log out? |
| 07:47.32 | Dwonis | redblades: yeah, you can swap |
| 07:47.36 | redblades | awesome |
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| 07:49.07 | redblades | done |
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| 07:49.57 | redblades | Dwonis: done |
| 07:50.03 | Dwonis | ok now edit /etc/fstab (using vim or nano or emacs or whatever you're familiar with) |
| 07:50.10 | redblades | vim |
| 07:50.16 | redblades | edit it to? |
| 07:50.26 | Dwonis | add two lines |
| 07:50.34 | redblades | ? |
| 07:50.44 | Dwonis | /dev/hda1 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 07:50.51 | Dwonis | crap |
| 07:50.53 | Dwonis | that should be hdb1 |
| 07:51.06 | redblades | that's oaky i got it |
| 07:51.07 | Dwonis | /dev/hdb2 /home ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 07:51.15 | Dwonis | or actually |
| 07:51.18 | Dwonis | /dev/hdb2 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 07:51.19 | redblades | 0 0 ? no comma ? |
| 07:51.26 | peterS | no comma |
| 07:51.34 | redblades | oh I see said the blind man |
| 07:51.43 | peterS | two separate fields |
| 07:53.07 | redblades | I'll go do that now |
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| 07:53.52 | redblades | Oh an can I use Alt + F4 ? not that I want to but... |
| 07:54.14 | Dwonis | redblades: you can if you switch back to Alt+F1 and type "getty 38400 tty4 &" |
| 07:55.40 | redblades | Okay, done |
| 07:56.11 | Dwonis | redblades: once you do that, you can save and exit vim, and reboot. Once you're satisfied that everything worked out fine, you can free some space by deleting /oldhome |
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| 07:58.57 | redblades | okay then |
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| 07:59.03 | redblades | see you soon |
| 07:59.09 | redblades | hope this works |
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| 08:06.22 | redblades | Hi |
| 08:06.26 | redblades | HI |
| 08:06.32 | redblades | Dwonis |
| 08:06.37 | redblades | I think it worked |
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| 08:06.56 | Dwonis | redblades: good |
| 08:07.21 | redblades | I'm doing rm -rf /oldhome now |
| 08:07.42 | redblades | then I'll clear out temp |
| 08:07.58 | redblades | and get rid of those pesky files in the trash |
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| 08:09.28 | redblades | okay Thankyou, thankyou VERY much Dwonis |
| 08:09.56 | redblades | I'll see you around sometime |
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| 08:10.34 | Dwonis | redblades: you're welcome. ciao |
| 08:11.20 | sanmarcos | hmm as a printer spooler should I choose cups or lpd? |
| 08:11.25 | sanmarcos | isnt lpd a layer to cups? |
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| 08:11.59 | sanmarcos | ahh no |
| 08:12.00 | sanmarcos | lp is |
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| 08:18.58 | Eulex | heh, should I be worried if I get a "Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender" for a mail I've never sent? Some strange things were that it contained a base64-encoded attachment named doc.pif and the main text message's charset was Windows-1252 |
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| 08:20.15 | oggei | it's a worm fake |
| 08:20.42 | Eulex | oggei, ah, that explains it |
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| 08:21.35 | oggei | sometime they fake directly the DSN, other variant joe-job with your address |
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| 08:21.50 | BobTheSpeaker | I am trying to hook up to another debian box using the serial port, i have two DL140's which I put a null modem cable between the two serial ports, I tried minicom and cu -l /dev/ttyS0 (and S1) and it said locked permission denied, even tried su - uucp and same error |
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| 08:22.48 | oggei | BobTheSpeaker: i think the device is owned by root:dialout |
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| 08:23.09 | BobTheSpeaker | So su - dialout? |
| 08:23.36 | oggei | no, adduser BobTheSpeaker dialout and relogin |
| 08:24.36 | schippes | yet another thing broken after upgrading to etch: parport0 device not created after loading parport_pc and parport modules, i am sure udev is the responsible for this: how can i use my parallel port ? |
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| 08:25.41 | DimmuR | is it possible to remove configuration data from packages previously uninstalled (dpkg gives 'rc' status) ? |
| 08:26.01 | oggei | dpkg -P $pkg |
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| 08:26.59 | nekostar | oi! |
| 08:27.03 | DimmuR | thanks |
| 08:28.06 | nekostar | ive got dual monitors.. so i usually have one gnome-panel on each screen. i did a minimal install.. [gnome-core] and when i put the windows list on each panel they show whats on both montiors on both.. instead of whats on its own monitor |
| 08:28.30 | nekostar | im also useing nvidia twinview.. single xsession across two monitors.. usually i dont get this effect though.... |
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| 08:29.19 | mbn | my server did a reboot and all the JFS content disapeared :( any ideas what to do ? |
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| 08:30.07 | valdyn | mbn: restore from backup |
| 08:30.41 | mbn | <valdyn> will do if have too. but is this usual to JFS ??? |
| 08:30.44 | valdyn | schippes: which device node are you talking about? |
| 08:31.15 | valdyn | mbn: i dont use jfs, any fs will possiblyt fuck up your data on crashes or power outages or cold reboots |
| 08:31.23 | schippes | i am talking about /dev/parport0, the device i always uded to send data to the paralel port |
| 08:31.28 | schippes | used |
| 08:31.43 | BobTheSpeaker | Do you k now if you can use serial port to see terminal on another box when using a HP DL140 and ipmi is enabled on the serial port? |
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| 08:31.58 | valdyn | schippes: never heared of debian using that device node |
| 08:32.04 | BobTheSpeaker | Does that have to be turned off to be able to console on another box |
| 08:32.09 | valdyn | schippes: maybe you really mean /dev/lp0 |
| 08:32.10 | schippes | the internet seems to be full of people having probems with udev not creating the device nodes (sound/parallel port and so on) |
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| 08:33.17 | valdyn | schippes: /dev/parport0 appears to be a devfs things |
| 08:33.17 | valdyn | schippes: /dev/parport0 appears to be a devfs thing |
| 08:33.34 | schippes | valdyn: i use vmware and it uses /dev/parport0 to communicate with the parallel port, this was the setting under sarge and kernel 2.6.16 |
| 08:33.37 | valdyn | schippes: modprobe lp, use /dev/lp0 |
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| 08:34.22 | valdyn | schippes: vmware doesnt change device node naming |
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| 08:35.30 | schippes | right i always instructed vmware to use /dev/parport0 as the physical parallel port the virtual machine sends data to, it worked for tons of megabytes of data sent to an ARM board |
| 08:36.00 | valdyn | schippes: so? and what's wrong with /dev/lp0? |
| 08:36.07 | schippes | i will try |
| 08:36.17 | schippes | but why these gratuitous changes? |
| 08:36.48 | valdyn | schippes: i dont think udev ever had /dev/parport0 |
| 08:36.55 | schippes | ok |
| 08:37.08 | schippes | so its a matter of changing parport0 ->lp0 ? |
| 08:37.27 | valdyn | schippes: guess so |
| 08:37.36 | schippes | thank you valdyn i will try out |
| 08:37.41 | valdyn | schippes: look if /dev/lp0 even exists... |
| 08:38.02 | schippes | yes it seems ok... |
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| 08:40.25 | valdyn | schippes: looking at udevs configuration you need to create a symlink in /etc/udev/rules.d/ to /etc/udev/devs.rules to get /dev/parport/X |
| 08:40.45 | valdyn | schippes: or for your 'custom' device /dev/parport0 with your own .rules file |
| 08:40.55 | valdyn | schippes: but that's just a waste of lp0 already works.. |
| 08:41.48 | valdyn | schippes: udev mostly works fine, people just blame udev often falsly for a non-existent device node |
| 08:42.07 | schippes | :-) |
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| 08:42.47 | schippes | i am now looking for some document that explains me the difference between lp and parport devices. |
| 08:43.05 | schippes | the program i use uses the port in bidirectional way |
| 08:43.26 | valdyn | schippes: lp can do that |
| 08:43.34 | schippes | but the hardware to connect the port to is in my office, can not check it now if it works with /dev/lp0 |
| 08:44.46 | valdyn | schippes: anyway, see above , that symlink should make udev create /dev/parport/X, for those parport devices |
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| 08:54.03 | aum | hi - what's the maximum length of a filename (for ext3 and reiserfs)? |
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| 08:56.20 | schippes | vmware refuses to use the lp0 device :parallel0: We have detected an LP style device. This type of device has been deprecated in VMware Workstation. We have guessed that "/dev/parport0" corresponds to "/dev/lp0" and will use that instead |
| 08:57.08 | Youpi | ext3 : * max filename lenght is now 100 Characters. |
| 08:57.16 | aum | eek |
| 08:57.44 | aum | what? my /boot is ext3, Namelen=255 |
| 08:58.01 | Youpi | duno, source : http://www.satleo.gr/dream.html |
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| 08:59.01 | pott | how do you see all the packages installed in your system? |
| 08:59.13 | war92 | dpkg -l |
| 08:59.28 | peterS | or with a magnifying glass |
| 08:59.37 | pott | and to upgrade them i do apt-get upgrade ? |
| 08:59.52 | peterS | start with 'aptitude update', then 'aptitude dist-upgrade' |
| 09:00.00 | peterS | (we prefer aptitude over apt-get, mostly, around here) |
| 09:00.33 | crocus | how to install Quote of the Day (cookie) servers? |
| 09:00.40 | crocus | anyeone has used it? |
| 09:01.32 | stew | aum: iirc: the max filesize for ext3 is 2tb if you use 4k blocks |
| 09:02.13 | stew | oh, length fo a filename, nm |
| 09:02.25 | aum | stew: seems to be 255 mostly |
| 09:02.28 | crocus | I mean QoD servers for DHCP's dhcpd.conf file |
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| 09:04.25 | Dwonis | schippes: /dev/parportX is just a lower-level or more-flexible interface to your parallel port hardware |
| 09:05.35 | schippes | yes but the BIG question is how can i instruct the "brand new never asked for but present" udevd daemon to create the device files when a program attempts to contact the low parport device |
| 09:05.43 | pott | how do you view all your start up services? |
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| 09:06.47 | deadcat | pott: /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rcS.d |
| 09:06.48 | schippes | all parallel port modules are loaded but the device file is missing and since the /dev directory is no more static i can no more simply do a mknod |
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| 09:07.22 | pott | would i chmod 0644 a file in /etc/rc*/ ? |
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| 09:07.28 | pott | if i didn't want it to start |
| 09:08.01 | vrt | hello all, need some help on webcam config.. |
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| 09:08.04 | deadcat | pott: you can use update-rc.d or just rename them or put them in a dir called disabled (you create yourself) |
| 09:08.05 | oggei | pott: man update-rc.d for managing what starts when |
| 09:08.06 | vrt | i am on debian sarge.. |
| 09:08.12 | deadcat | vrt: usbcore |
| 09:08.18 | vrt | i don't see any /dev/video* |
| 09:08.26 | vrt | how do i start? |
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| 09:09.05 | darger | do you know what the major/minor device numbers are for the /dev/video* you need |
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| 09:09.07 | deadcat | vrt: load the module for the webcam. what cam is it? |
| 09:09.10 | sarath_lakshman | hi |
| 09:09.16 | sarath_lakshman | need some helps |
| 09:09.23 | Vasistha | sarath_lakshman: feel free to just ask |
| 09:09.25 | vrt | its frontech 2215 cam. |
| 09:09.25 | deadcat | pott: you can use this script to list the rc files: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/bin/list-rc.d |
| 09:09.38 | sarath_lakshman | my apt-get completely broken |
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| 09:10.02 | sarath_lakshman | apt-get -f install not succeeding |
| 09:10.14 | deadcat | vrt: not sure what module you will have to load for that camera. |
| 09:10.30 | vrt | is there any generic module that i could try deadcat ? |
| 09:10.37 | deadcat | vrt: no. |
| 09:10.41 | vrt | okk. |
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| 09:11.14 | sarath_lakshman | apt-get -f install fails |
| 09:11.20 | sarath_lakshman | howto solve this? |
| 09:11.51 | Vasistha | sarath_lakshman: you could post the complete error messages you've received on pastebin.com |
| 09:11.56 | deadcat | vrt: you can check whats available in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/usb/media/ those are webcam drivers.. most of them |
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| 09:12.38 | sanmarcos | next on lost |
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| 09:12.51 | vrt | ah ok, i see a pwc folder.. |
| 09:13.57 | sarath_lakshman | ok |
| 09:14.17 | deadcat | vrt: but is your camera using the pwc module though.. mine is. |
| 09:14.31 | deadcat | vrt: and its called directory. not folder. |
| 09:15.36 | sarath_lakshman | I posted the errror |
| 09:15.37 | sarath_lakshman | http://pastebin.com/757213 |
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| 09:16.52 | crocus | is here anyone who happen to come from Austin, Texas ? |
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| 09:17.13 | schippes | ok i have some more info: the /dev/parport0 device is created if i modprobe the 'ppdev' module. OK. Now, how can i instruct the kernel to load automatically this module when someone accesses /dev/parport0 ? |
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| 09:18.01 | deadcat | crocus: try #debian.austin.texas |
| 09:18.05 | Vasistha | sarath_lakshman: you're using knoppix, eh? That can get tricky... the package management stuff in debian spinoffs can be pretty different from plain debian |
| 09:18.17 | sarath_lakshman | ok |
| 09:18.27 | vrt | sarath_lakshman: can u paste the sources.lst contents also ? |
| 09:18.29 | crocus | deadcat: thanks. you are the cat. |
| 09:18.32 | sarath_lakshman | is there anyway to solve |
| 09:18.34 | sarath_lakshman | ok |
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| 09:19.24 | crocus | deadcat: there is no man there. Could you bring your cat friends there? |
| 09:21.25 | sarath_lakshman | here is my sources list |
| 09:21.26 | sarath_lakshman | http://pastebin.com/757222 |
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| 09:22.06 | vrt | looks like you're mixing up stable and testing. |
| 09:22.07 | deadcat | sarath_lakshman: maybe you should try #knoppix ? |
| 09:22.21 | sarath_lakshman | oh |
| 09:22.22 | sarath_lakshman | right |
| 09:22.28 | deadcat | AND mixing distro. |
| 09:22.32 | deadcat | thats just suicidal |
| 09:22.34 | vrt | yeah |
| 09:22.40 | vrt | and unstable also! |
| 09:23.12 | vrt | i had an instance where an apt-get wnated to remove the kernel image!! |
| 09:23.25 | sarath_lakshman | oh |
| 09:23.27 | sarath_lakshman | :D |
| 09:23.35 | crocus | vrt: use debfoster to purge packages and then chooes a single debian version |
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| 09:23.41 | deadcat | why his machine is still functioning i have no freakin idea.. debian/ubuntu/kanotix source? stable/testing/unstable/experimental? damn |
| 09:23.47 | vrt | lol |
| 09:24.25 | bintut | anyone here familiar installing debian i386 on a box that doesn't have a monitor and using a cf card only? |
| 09:24.27 | deadcat | sarath_lakshman: you might have better luck at whatever distro you're running |
| 09:24.41 | sarath_lakshman | why |
| 09:24.54 | deadcat | sarath_lakshman: because we cant help you with non-debian questions |
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| 09:25.01 | sarath_lakshman | ok |
| 09:25.05 | epsilon | bintut: what'scf card? |
| 09:25.08 | sarath_lakshman | :( |
| 09:25.33 | bintut | epsilon: Compact Flash Card |
| 09:26.03 | epsilon | install debian on another box in a debootstrap on the card? |
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| 09:26.11 | bintut | epsilon: if i'm not mistaken, cf card is being emulated as scsi.. so, the device will be at /dev/sdx |
| 09:26.32 | bintut | epsilon: i'm not familiar |
| 09:26.59 | vrt | sarath_lakshman: try to revert to one repo, do an apt-get update and then try. |
| 09:27.18 | sarath_lakshman | done |
| 09:27.24 | deadcat | vrt: your machine is pretty much fucked... |
| 09:27.26 | sarath_lakshman | but failed |
| 09:27.31 | deadcat | his machine |
| 09:28.19 | deadcat | sarath_lakshman: either reinstall Debian GNU/Linux or try #knoppix or #kanotix or #ubuntu. which ever you are using.. like i said many times. we cant help you out |
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| 09:29.04 | crocus | vrt: Indians are software wizards, I guess you can figure out what to do. |
| 09:29.23 | vrt | sorry, lost context |
| 09:29.27 | vrt | crocus: ? |
| 09:29.38 | deadcat | damn. sunday do suck here. |
| 09:29.40 | crocus | vrt: you are from indian? |
| 09:29.50 | Youpi | crocus: apache is not from natives |
| 09:29.55 | Youpi | not comanche |
| 09:29.56 | vrt | crocus: yeah, very myuch :) |
| 09:29.58 | Youpi | nor |
| 09:30.00 | vrt | Youpi: lol |
| 09:30.06 | paulswm | deadcat: I dunno, I walked in on the mixed distro thing and got my first good laugh of the day :) |
| 09:30.11 | crocus | Youpi: ? what do you mean? |
| 09:30.21 | sarath_lakshman | ok. thanks 4 help |
| 09:30.37 | Youpi | sorry, I've lost the context |
| 09:30.38 | Youpi | :) |
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| 09:31.39 | bintut | anybody knows how can i install debian i386 on a box that doesn't have a monitor and cdrom/floppy drive? |
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| 09:32.39 | pott | how can you install a newer version of a package? |
| 09:32.54 | Vasistha | bintut: via a serial console and a bootable network connection? |
| 09:32.56 | pott | lets say an unstable one |
| 09:33.41 | crocus | pott: apt-get install newer-version -t unstable ? |
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| 09:35.07 | bintut | Vasistha: when you mean a serial console, is it a "null modem" type serial connection from my workstation to that box? that box has a pxe support |
| 09:35.47 | Vasistha | good luck! I'm going to bed ;-) |
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| 09:46.41 | streuner | irc.debian.org -> OFTC took place... |
| 09:48.07 | peterS | !topicsmite streuner |
| 09:48.07 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon streuner. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 09:48.52 | streuner | peterS: that's not the issue |
| 09:49.15 | peterS | the bot smote you because the topic already mentions that the move took place |
| 09:50.39 | paulswm | So in theory, questions here, which is not the default, ought to get smarter |
| 09:50.57 | peterS | paulswm: that's debated, whether the questions will get smarter or dumber |
| 09:51.03 | peterS | I guess we'll have to see |
| 09:51.10 | streuner | peterS: well, the move took place about 30 min. ago. |
| 09:51.23 | peterS | no, the move took place almost 11 hours ago |
| 09:51.27 | paulswm | peterS: Well, SUnday is the perfect day for it :) |
| 09:51.30 | peterS | maybe your DNS didn't get the update until later |
| 09:51.58 | peterS | paulswm: sunday is not a good day to test *any* such theory. too much noise in the data (: |
| 09:51.59 | streuner | peterS: ..for me ;-) |
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| 09:53.16 | sussudio | !sing sunday |
| 09:53.17 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 09:54.12 | cyzie | hello all, i got this error " W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F" how to solve? anybody knows? thanks |
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| 09:54.37 | streuner | !testing security |
| 09:54.38 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
| 09:55.20 | streuner | cyzie: so you just change from sarge to etch? |
| 09:55.25 | peterS | sussudio: btw, do you intend to allow Piggy to collect stats from irc.debian.org #debian? or is she going to stay on irc.freenode.net? |
| 09:55.27 | cyzie | streuner, yes |
| 09:55.29 | streuner | s/change/move/ |
| 09:55.41 | streuner | cyzie: ok, look at the topic |
| 09:55.42 | paulswm | cyzie: see /topic |
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| 09:56.16 | streuner | cyzie: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 09:56.25 | cyzie | thanks paulswm |
| 09:56.34 | paulswm | cyberia: yw |
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| 09:58.02 | sussudio | peterS: piggy's staying here. there's a piggy clone lurking on crappynet. |
| 09:58.33 | peterS | now now, just because it netsplit 2 minutes ago, that doesn't make it a crappy net |
| 09:58.57 | sussudio | peterS: allowing tor makes it crappynet |
| 09:59.51 | peterS | OPN allows tor too, no? just makes it easy to ban if desired |
| 10:00.16 | pngwn | does this make oftc the 'official' network? |
| 10:00.24 | peterS | pngwn: as official as there is, yeah |
| 10:00.56 | peterS | pngwn: there's been quite a bit of debate in the past about whether having an 'irc.debian.org' DNS name constitutes any sort of official support for debian IRC channels at all |
| 10:01.03 | sussudio | peterS: oftc doesn't disallow rogue tor. |
| 10:01.16 | cyzie | streuner, do i need to change testing to etch in this? deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib and deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 10:01.22 | pngwn | I don't see a mass exodus ;) |
| 10:01.50 | streuner | cyzie: one line is enough |
| 10:01.52 | peterS | pngwn: a lot of people use freenode for many channels outside debian, so their irc clients say 'irc.freenode.net' rather than 'irc.debian.org'. many such people may not even have noticed the switch yet |
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| 10:02.17 | sussudio | peterS: they'll probably change their mind after the first 30 crapfloods that are about to happen in the near future. |
| 10:02.31 | streuner | cyzie: if you going to use 'testing' your packages will upgrade even when etch is released and you want etch only... |
| 10:02.35 | peterS | sussudio: yeah, we'll see. it's easy to criticise a big network for its problems when you're a small network (: |
| 10:02.43 | cyzie | streuner, deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free <== only this one is enough ? |
| 10:02.57 | cyzie | streuner cyzie: if you going to use 'testing' your packages will upgrade even when etch is released and you want etch only... i dont understand |
| 10:03.08 | streuner | cyzie: one line for security and one line of official packages |
| 10:03.46 | streuner | cyzie: for example, etch is out, with testing in the lines you box will upgrade to testing then... |
| 10:03.56 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 10:04.40 | streuner | cyzie: that doesn't hurd much now (testing vs. etch), because etch should releasted at Dez. 06 |
| 10:04.41 | cyzie | streuner, isnt testing = etch? much like stable = sarge ? no ? |
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| 10:04.49 | streuner | yes |
| 10:04.56 | streuner | testing = etch |
| 10:06.18 | cyzie | streuner, so this line "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free" should be the same? |
| 10:07.11 | streuner | cyzie: use only etch in those lines |
| 10:07.25 | cyzie | streuner, ok |
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| 10:08.07 | epsilon | question to GPL, if someone modifies a GPL software, how must be the modification published? internet-download? on CD/DVD? |
| 10:08.08 | Husio | Hi all |
| 10:09.07 | Husio | is it possible to download debian-sid or etch installer? |
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| 10:09.27 | cyzie | streuner cyzie: one line for security and one line of official packages // what do you mean by this? |
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| 10:12.00 | streuner | cyzie: one line for the common packages and one line for security updates |
| 10:12.15 | war92 | I got a tough question for all you guys :) - When I burn the Knoppix 5.0.1 DVD and then dd if=/dev/hdc of=$HOME/knoppix.iso && md5sum $HOME/knoppix.iso - the MD5's do not match? But when I burn the CD, the sizes match fine? I've tried a) NERO b) cdrecord-ProDVD c) growisofs on DVD-/+R and DVD-/+RW media. |
| 10:12.38 | formorer | size has nothing to do with md5 |
| 10:12.43 | war92 | I meant MD5 match. |
| 10:12.45 | war92 | sorry |
| 10:13.08 | war92 | the cds match perfectly |
| 10:13.20 | war92 | md5sum /dev/hdc && md5sum knoppix5.0.1.cd.iso |
| 10:13.22 | war92 | same, but not DVD |
| 10:13.32 | formorer | hm |
| 10:13.36 | peterS | war92: I'm guessing the CD was padded when written. this is common, to avoid problems with the kernel trying to read a few blocks ahead and hitting the predictable read errors after the end of the filesystem |
| 10:14.06 | war92 | petemc: CD=works, (no padding)) |
| 10:14.16 | war92 | peterS: the DVD is teh one with the issue |
| 10:14.18 | peterS | war92: so to compensate, CD writer software often adds a few empty blocks to the end of the image written to CD. this will mess up your md5 |
| 10:14.44 | war92 | I split the data up and md5sum'd it in 1mb chunks, it is the end that contains extra data |
| 10:14.44 | war92 | so that appears to be the case |
| 10:14.47 | war92 | but I burned it with 3 separate utilities |
| 10:14.54 | war92 | kind of crappy you can't get the same md5 image by dd'ing dvds. |
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| 10:15.09 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
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| 10:15.18 | peterS | btw, war92, there is no need to use 'dd' to extract data from a block device. 'cp' works fine. |
| 10:15.28 | peterS | as in: cp /dev/hdc /tmp/dvdimage.iso |
| 10:15.41 | peterS | or for that matter, md5sum /dev/hdc |
| 10:15.41 | sonium | hi, can someone tell me how I can change the order of my soundcards? |
| 10:15.42 | war92 | petemc: I know |
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| 10:15.48 | war92 | petemc: but the same problem results |
| 10:15.50 | peterS | poor petemc |
| 10:15.55 | war92 | petemc: with dd, cp or readcd |
| 10:16.04 | peterS | fortunately he's used to spurious highlights |
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| 10:16.13 | DevilChaos | still trying to config my printer and would like to know what /dev it is under and how to start lpd (etc/init.d/?) |
| 10:16.14 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 10:16.18 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 10:16.29 | peterS | war92: check the lengths, I bet the length you read from the DVD is slightly longer than the size of the iso |
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| 10:16.36 | war92 | petemc: yes it is |
| 10:16.53 | war92 | -rw-r--r-- 1 war users 4700372992 2006-06-04 05:20 bad/KNOPPIX_V5.0.1DVD-2006-06-01-EN.iso |
| 10:16.53 | war92 | -rw-r--r-- 1 war users 4344862720 2006-06-04 05:15 good/KNOPPIX_V5.0.1DVD-2006-06-01-EN.iso |
| 10:16.56 | peterS | war92: I guess all the utilities pad the data then, probably all for the same reason |
| 10:17.13 | war92 | petemc: so if one wanted to dd a DVD and get the exact same md5sum, could it be done ?:) |
| 10:17.37 | peterS | war92: or... here's an alternative, which I'm floating without any domain knowledge (as I don't have a DVD writer)... |
| 10:17.59 | war92 | dd the byte size |
| 10:18.01 | war92 | is what you are going to say |
| 10:18.04 | peterS | war92: no |
| 10:18.05 | war92 | ? |
| 10:18.22 | peterS | war92: it's possible that if you're using packet writing (i.e., "-rw / +rw" mode as opposed to "-r / +r" mode), the entire DVD is readable even before you burn the image to it, and the entire thing is readable afterwards |
| 10:18.31 | peterS | as opposed to a CD-R where the only readable portion is what you burn |
| 10:18.48 | war92 | petemc: I have tried both DVD-R and DVD -rw+rw media, that example was from dvd+r/rw |
| 10:18.54 | war92 | let me check the dvd-r |
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| 10:19.14 | peterS | it's the mode you use. if you're using packet writing, it'll be different from if you're using CD-R style burning |
| 10:19.39 | peterS | possibly DVDs always use that mode, I really couldn't say. the fact that they typically use UDF filesystems faintly supports this theory |
| 10:19.46 | sonium | can someone tell me how I can change the order of my soundcards? |
| 10:19.48 | peterS | since UDF is designed for packet writing |
| 10:20.02 | war92 | petemc: true |
| 10:20.22 | peterS | sonium: the brute force approach is to load the kernel module for the sound card you want first, load it by listing it in /etc/modules, which is processed before other module load events |
| 10:20.36 | sonium | ok |
| 10:20.44 | sonium | what would it be for a usb soundcard? |
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| 10:20.49 | sonium | snd-audio-usb ? |
| 10:21.18 | peterS | snd-usb-audio, actually |
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| 10:21.34 | peterS | but if it's USB, you probably want a smarter approach in any case, since you might unplug / plug the card any time |
| 10:21.56 | sonium | any suggestions? |
| 10:22.09 | petemc | hmm |
| 10:22.19 | peterS | hullo, petemc |
| 10:22.23 | petemc | hey peterS |
| 10:22.45 | petemc | mis direction on 2 networks this morning :0 |
| 10:22.45 | aronofsky | hi , I just upgrade my debian testing and the x11 and xorg package were upgraded , since when i play my video with mplayer ( x11 output ) its really slow , what can I do ? |
| 10:22.52 | peterS | sonium: you can configure alsa to map audio devices however you wish, but this is something I've never been forced to learn to do |
| 10:23.07 | peterS | petemc: oh? I don't remember the other one, not that I don't believe you |
| 10:23.31 | petemc | was earlier, i just woke up, thought i was popular.. |
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| 10:24.56 | peterS | petemc: I got a highlight the other day on a *typo*. <DimmuR> valdyn: but first i should run configure with own parapeters? |
| 10:25.48 | petemc | heh |
| 10:25.56 | peterS | occasionally I get highlights on 'St. Petersburg', but they are rare enough that I haven't bothered to refine my highlights to avoid such things |
| 10:26.12 | war92 | petemc: -rw-r--r-- 1 war users 4344862720 2006-06-04 05:15 good/KNOPPIX_V5.0.1DVD-2006-06-01-EN.iso |
| 10:26.15 | war92 | -rw-r--r-- 1 war users 4344872960 2006-06-04 06:25 KNOPPIX_V5.0.1DVD-2006-06-01-EN.iso (from dvd-r) |
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| 10:26.30 | war92 | just a littl bit bigger |
| 10:26.44 | peterS | war92: an extra 240 bytes? that's odd. is the one a multiple of 2048 and the other not? |
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| 10:27.11 | war92 | petemc: I am splitting then md5sum & then diff.ing them |
| 10:27.23 | peterS | war92: ah yes. 4344872720 is not a multiple of 2048, so it has to be rounded up to one |
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| 10:27.38 | peterS | war92: btw, you keep talking to petemc, who isn't me. I don't mind, but maybe he does |
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| 10:27.51 | war92 | petemc: nickname completion isn't so hot I guess |
| 10:28.22 | peterS | war92: he's used to it, lots of people have done it in the past (and vice versa, I get occasional highlights meant for him) |
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| 10:28.37 | petemc | it doesnt bother me |
| 10:29.33 | war92 | petemc: the interesting thing I see is how you burn it, NERO (windows) or growisofs, the md5 is different between th etwo, I guess different ways of burning |
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| 10:29.35 | war92 | unlike cds.. |
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| 10:31.04 | peterS | war92: I don't know much about writable DVD technology |
| 10:31.19 | peterS | even my DVD-*ROM* is broken, actually |
| 10:31.23 | war92 | petemc: btw in other news, do you use SW raid at ll? |
| 10:31.25 | war92 | ah ouch |
| 10:31.30 | war92 | s/ll/all |
| 10:31.46 | peterS | I've been known to use software raid, but I don't think any of my current machines do |
| 10:31.54 | peterS | I don't have enough spare hard drives |
| 10:32.13 | war92 | ah.. |
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| 10:32.34 | war92 | was wondering the reliability of SW RAID1, been using it for a month or so now, has worked well, just wondering about others' experiences |
| 10:32.44 | war92 | I have the same disk on two different controllers. |
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| 10:33.05 | peterS | i.e., multipath? that's separate from raid1 |
| 10:33.08 | war92 | type of disk* |
| 10:33.19 | war92 | petemc: type of disk :) |
| 10:33.49 | peterS | maybe I should quit talking to you until you start using my name (: |
| 10:34.10 | war92 | do you miss the hilights? |
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| 10:34.45 | peterS | not when I'm paying attention. but I might miss stuff if I were to go get a cup of coffee or something |
| 10:34.53 | war92 | ah |
| 10:35.14 | peterS | though in those situations, if I'm actively helping someone, I usually scan the scrollback anyway just in case |
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| 10:37.48 | G400 | To tunnel mail and internet access over ssh, what do I need for my user account on the ssh server? I'm thinking I don't need a shell (/bin/false) nor a home directory (/dev/null) and, if I proxy internet with squid, I just need to authorise the user in squid.conf. smtp and pop3 forwards should just work, right? |
| 10:37.59 | war92 | petemc: k :P |
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| 10:38.11 | peterS | now you're doing it on purpose |
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| 10:45.57 | Meltir | hi ppl. im trying to make a kernel package using make-kpkg, but i get errors talking about the Control file. |
| 10:46.17 | Meltir | ive found refences to it on the mailing lists - but i have no idea how to edit it :/ |
| 10:46.27 | Meltir | http://pastebin.com/757341 <-- full error |
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| 10:47.57 | Meltir | ideas, anyone ? |
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| 10:50.34 | pinucset | one think, i'm building kernel 2.6.16.19 and when i reboot it gives: VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block (0,0). Please append a correct "root=" boot option. Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0) " |
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| 10:50.59 | peterS | yeah so don't skip the initrd part |
| 10:51.06 | peterS | or configure the kernel such that you don't need an initrd |
| 10:51.08 | peterS | one or the other |
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| 10:51.32 | flurischt | exit |
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| 10:51.35 | war92 | petemc: looks like you were right |
| 10:51.46 | war92 | $ diff good.md5 ../bad/bad.md5 -> < 225cb6e8f8fd00c08dea9ec49ebdfb83 xaaaaaaaglc -> > d159701a1d717d6728b29e7143e668ee xaaaaaaaglc |
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| 10:51.47 | peterS | he was? |
| 10:52.08 | peterS | bah, never mind, you aren't talking to me |
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| 10:53.03 | war92 | petemc: yes I am |
| 10:53.10 | war92 | its the las sector I believe |
| 10:53.16 | war92 | like you said |
| 10:53.24 | peterS | war9x: then talk to me, leave petemc out of it |
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| 10:54.17 | war92 | or just no name at all |
| 10:54.18 | war92 | easier |
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| 10:54.30 | petemc | press tab twice instead of once, its not hard |
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| 10:54.40 | Mr_Molez | anyone got a clue how to get ati drivers to work on debian sid ? |
| 10:54.43 | Youpi | lol |
| 10:54.46 | war92 | peterS: 3 times |
| 10:54.54 | petemc | nightmare |
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| 10:55.14 | xmb | is there finally a kbuild for 2.6.17-rc3 ? |
| 10:55.34 | peterS | I guess what annoys me is that long after it was pointed out that you were talking to the wrong peter, you continued to do so. this couldn't have been accidental, you were told several times. I didn't mind while you weren't doing it on purpose, but at some point I have to assume you have no desire to communicate clearly |
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| 10:57.54 | xmb | linux-kernel-headers-2.6.17-rc3 need the kbuild = not available |
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| 11:00.16 | OwlNoob | hi everyone. |
| 11:00.46 | dn4 | +Does anyone know where to pick up some silicon gel at which will harden? |
| 11:01.32 | OwlNoob | I ve got a problem succeding to link my iPod to /dev/ipod with udev. I have created the rule : BUS=="scsi", SYSFS{vendor}=="Apple*", SYSFS{model}=="iPod*", KERNEL=="sd??", NAME=="%k", SYMLINK+="ipod" under /rules.d/10-ipod.rules but it does not work... any idea? |
| 11:02.44 | paulswm | pinucset: You probably either (1) didn't compile in support for your root filesystem o3 (2) build an initrd. You need to do one or the other. |
| 11:02.55 | paulswm | s/o3/or/ |
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| 11:04.43 | Linuxino | hi all |
| 11:04.46 | Linuxino | :) |
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| 11:07.38 | nightw0lf | hi, does anyone here use turboprint? |
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| 11:10.29 | blahheva | does anyone know where i could get boinc binaries for debian on sparc64 |
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| 11:11.33 | peterS | blahheva: 'boinc-client' is available in unstable and testing |
| 11:11.49 | peterS | on stable, I dunno |
| 11:12.00 | blahheva | it's not avail on stable :( |
| 11:12.19 | peterS | I know, I just don't know whether it's available from third parties such as backports.org |
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| 11:12.55 | peterS | anyway, you also say sparc64 specifically - most debian packages are compiled for sparc32 since that's faster than sparc64, I expect boinc-* are the same |
| 11:13.28 | peterS | (sparc64 binaries are only faster in very unusual circumstances where you need huge amounts of memory or something) |
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| 11:15.21 | menko | hello everybody, I'm doing a computing course for school credits, and I need database software which is compatible with microsoft access? Any directions on what to use? |
| 11:16.07 | peterS | compatible with microsoft access? compatible in what way? |
| 11:16.16 | peterS | you mean read/write .mda files? you poor thing |
| 11:16.34 | menko | well, I need to create a database, and they need to be able to view it in access |
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| 11:17.02 | peterS | oh. in that case I'd use postgresql as the database backend, and install a postgres odbc driver on the other person's windows box, for MS Access to use |
| 11:17.30 | peterS | as for 'visual' database browsers / schema editors, I'm not sure what is available on debian, to be honest. not my field. |
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| 11:17.31 | menko | it's a school teacher that lives across the country that's marking it |
| 11:17.52 | sussudio | is a relatively large number of connections (100+) with a lower throughput going to bog down a rtl8139? |
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| 11:18.18 | menko | I've never used access (or any database software) actually, so I'm not really sure what I can and cannot use for compatibility purposes |
| 11:18.42 | peterS | sussudio: hmm, I don't think the type of traffic makes much difference, it's a matter of how many packets you intend to send and receive and how much bandwidth they'll use compared to the nominal 100 Mbit |
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| 11:19.03 | sussudio | peterS: bittorrent? |
| 11:19.53 | peterS | menko: well, Access can either read and write .mda files as the data storage, or it can use ODBC (the 'open database connectivity' standard) to interface with ODBC driver modules that handle other data sources, such as remote database servers |
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| 11:20.34 | zirikili | hi all. I am trying to install a second sound card Bt878 Audio Capture. but when I do modprobe its module, nothing happens to dmesg and no /proc/asound/cards append. any help? |
| 11:20.39 | ZEA | I want to activate raid partitions using dmraid at startup. dmraid is placed in /etc/rcS.d/S03dmraid but at boot completion, nothing is activated. then I manually run '/etc/rcS.d/S03dmraid start' and the partitions get activated. what's wrong? |
| 11:20.40 | peterS | menko: with ODBC, you have to install an appropriate ODBC driver on the client - for PostgreSQL or MS SQL Server or Oracle or whatever. some of these might come with Access or Windows, I don't remember |
| 11:20.55 | mirak | when doing debootstrap is it needed to mount sysfs ? |
| 11:21.09 | peterS | menko: .mda files, OTOH, are very limited and fragile and I don't think many free software apps, if any, can read and write them anyway |
| 11:21.23 | peterS | ...but at least it's easy to pull them up in Access |
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| 11:21.58 | menko | ok, well, wish me good luck. It is in the terms that is has to be in access format, not sure if they'd be happy to install a different database backend. Thanks for explaining :). |
| 11:22.14 | peterS | !bless menko |
| 11:22.15 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child menko, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 11:23.25 | peterS | menko: if you're searching for app support for .mda files, the format is also known as microsoft's "JET" database engine. people laugh at it a lot. |
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| 11:30.11 | menko | I checked the answer files and they're mdb format |
| 11:30.25 | peterS | that's what I meant, mdb, not mda |
| 11:30.41 | peterS | it's been a _long_ time since I've had to deal with those in any capacity |
| 11:32.01 | Eclipser | can I somehow take a screenshot remotely of an X instance? :) |
| 11:32.08 | menko | k |
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| 11:33.30 | morten | where do directory specific settings like access restrictions, turning on and off directory listing etc (i.e stuff that used to go in httpd.conf) go in apache2? |
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| 11:40.28 | jlaw | hello, i installed debian 3.1 stable on my laptop, now i want to install the same packages i have on my pc where i have debian testing. but if i only change the apt sources i can (for example) list the openoffice.org 2 packages with apt-cache but can't install them because apt tells me are that there are other packages needed (openoffice.org-core etc) which will not be installed. what do i have to do to use the testing packages? |
| 11:40.35 | morten | where do directory specific settings like access restrictions, turning on and off directory listing etc (i.e stuff that used to go in httpd.conf) go in apache2? |
| 11:41.14 | morten | jlaw: did you try manually installing the dependencies, either from stable or testing? |
| 11:42.16 | jlaw | morten: how? i thought editing the apt sources would be enough because the packages i want are newer and apt solves the dependencies !? |
| 11:42.32 | morten | you're talking about sources.list, right? |
| 11:42.42 | jlaw | morten, yes |
| 11:43.16 | morten | jlaw: look up the dependencies on packages.debian.org, maybe that will help |
| 11:43.54 | jlaw | morten: is there basically a way to "update" from stable to testing? |
| 11:44.01 | morten | apt-get upgrade |
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| 11:45.36 | jlaw | morten: k i'll try that ... unfortunately i can only be in the net with one of the machines -.- ... later mates |
| 11:45.36 | sonium | what is the difference between /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.conf ? |
| 11:45.49 | morten | jlaw: i don't recommend it |
| 11:45.54 | morten | eh. whatever. |
| 11:46.28 | peterS | sonium: /etc/modules is a list of modules. /etc/modprobe.conf doesn't even exist these days |
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| 11:46.37 | morten | where do directory specific settings like access restrictions, turning on and off directory listing etc (i.e stuff that used to go in httpd.conf) go in apache2? |
| 11:46.48 | scytheman | o/ sonium |
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| 11:46.56 | peterS | ...well, it might exist in stable, but it's going away. anyway, it's a configuration file for module-init-tools, not just a list of modules |
| 11:47.13 | sonium | peterS then what is the way to specify loading order? |
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| 11:47.32 | abrotman | /etc/modutils.d/actions ? |
| 11:47.35 | peterS | morten: if you don't have multiple virtual hosts, you can either put stuff in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf or /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 11:48.04 | morten | peterS: thanks |
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| 11:48.14 | peterS | sonium: just cram modules into /etc/modules and they'll load in that order at boot time. for more intricate things like 'always load this module before that one, but don't load either one at boot time', you play around in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 11:48.45 | sonium | I don't fhave /etc/modprobe.de/ |
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| 11:48.54 | abrotman | i think udev/discover get run before /etc/modules is processed |
| 11:49.01 | peterS | sonium: then apparently you are still running a 2.4 kernel. in that case it is /etc/modutils/ |
| 11:49.09 | abrotman | sonium: /etc/modutils.d/ |
| 11:49.15 | peterS | abrotman: really? that would suck |
| 11:49.31 | sonium | no It's ubuntu dapper... just have /etc/modutiles/ |
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| 11:49.44 | abrotman | peterS: i've noticed when my laptop starts .. something tries to load modules after they're already loaded |
| 11:49.52 | peterS | sonium: uh, you're in #debian. we have no idea what they do on ubuntu. this sort of thing is often different. |
| 11:50.03 | sonium | the ubuntu support sucks hard |
| 11:50.10 | peterS | that's unfortunate |
| 11:50.16 | abrotman | sonium: yeah .. but we don't know what they do .. ask #ubuntu |
| 11:50.46 | peterS | sonium: if we tell you what debian does, and ubuntu does something different, it's not much good. and we won't know we're giving bad advice |
| 11:50.49 | sonium | but ubuntu is debian based, so the system specific stuff should be the same |
| 11:50.52 | rnix | hi, yesterday i installed dapper drake. since then i get a message at boot time - dosfscheck 2.11 fat32, lfn there are differences between boot sector and its backup. both my systems (ubuntu, wxp) boot well. how can i fix this? |
| 11:50.59 | peterS | sonium: you'd be amazed at how untrue that can be |
| 11:51.00 | abrotman | sonium: apparently it's not |
| 11:51.14 | peterS | rnix: we don't support ubuntu. we run debian. |
| 11:51.15 | abrotman | rnix: #ubuntu please |
| 11:51.25 | rnix | thx |
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| 11:52.17 | peterS | sonium: stuff involving (a) GUIs, (b) device probing and loading, (c) system wallpaper are probably always going to be different between ubuntu and debian |
| 11:53.04 | peterS | I'm also a bit surprised dapper still uses kernel 2.4, but shrug, maybe they do |
| 11:53.17 | nekostar | hm this is a bit distressing..... :: i installed alsa packages... and alsamixergui // and the rest of my system claims that my audio is fine.... but there is no sound... is there a sound daemon i missed installing // configging? i configged alsacfg to load the correct module for my sound card already..... |
| 11:53.41 | abrotman | nekostar: are you in the audio group ? |
| 11:53.47 | nekostar | peterS, as i recall dapper is 2.6 by default |
| 11:53.54 | jetscreamer | did you turn the volume up |
| 11:53.58 | jetscreamer | seriously |
| 11:54.00 | nekostar | o shyte of course thats prolly it lemme check abrotman >_< |
| 11:54.04 | nekostar | jetscreamer, yes. |
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| 11:54.37 | vinboy | hi |
| 11:54.44 | vinboy | where can I get price information about cpu? |
| 11:54.50 | peterS | nekostar: the other common problem is failing to run a mixer app such as alsamixer to unmute the volume, which is muted by default when many sound drivers load |
| 11:54.52 | jetscreamer | pricewatch.com |
| 11:54.59 | jetscreamer | weird eh |
| 11:55.02 | asg | vinboy: intel.com, amd.com |
| 11:55.13 | asg | what a stupid fucking question |
| 11:55.18 | jetscreamer | intel doesn't list prices |
| 11:55.19 | abrotman | vinboy: on .. the internet? |
| 11:55.22 | vinboy | yup |
| 11:55.23 | nekostar | abrotman, yeah im in it |
| 11:55.25 | jetscreamer | nor amd |
| 11:55.26 | vinboy | thanks |
| 11:55.32 | jetscreamer | they leave that to the resellers |
| 11:55.33 | asg | jetscreamer: so, they list links to resellers |
| 11:55.37 | nekostar | peterS, did that ~_^ |
| 11:55.38 | vinboy | thx jetscreamer |
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| 11:55.55 | abrotman | nekostar: you just added yourself ? |
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| 11:56.06 | peterS | nekostar: the _other_ common problem is having 2 sound cards (motherboard POS plus a SBLive, for example) and your apps are defaulting to the sound card your speakers are _not_ plugged into |
| 11:56.15 | jetscreamer | it's web2.0 we have to do everything for everybody |
| 11:56.31 | nekostar | abrotman, it was already added |
| 11:56.45 | scytheman | is there a way to dump the pagesource after filling out a form with curl (--form-string/-d)? i can't find an option for it, curl simply exits after filling out the form, with nothing printed out |
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| 11:56.49 | abrotman | nekostar: check all your mixer levels .. try alsamixer |
| 11:56.52 | nekostar | peterS, i am fairly certain i had turned off teh motherboard |
| 11:56.54 | nekostar | abrotman, did that |
| 11:57.06 | abrotman | nekostar: all of them .. not the ones you think are important .. all of them |
| 11:57.09 | nekostar | lemme reboot into cmos to double check that.. i guess... |
| 11:57.16 | nekostar | abrotman, yea they are |
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| 11:58.16 | jetscreamer | then there's the mighty alsa-bork factoid |
| 11:58.34 | peterS | nekostar: first do 'cat /proc/asound/cards' to see what is available |
| 11:58.37 | jetscreamer | but does sound work for root? i missed that one |
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| 11:58.59 | nekostar | peterS, just card0 |
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| 11:59.17 | nekostar | mebbie i should have tried legacy or so |
| 11:59.18 | peterS | nekostar: that tells us little, is it the motherboard chip or the PCI card? |
| 11:59.23 | nekostar | pci |
| 11:59.29 | nekostar | soundblaster audigy 2 |
| 11:59.30 | peterS | so that's not your problem, then |
| 11:59.41 | peterS | (ha! I guessed right on my example - "motherboard POS plus a SBLive") |
| 11:59.54 | jetscreamer | so is emu10k1 or snd-emu10k1 loaded |
| 11:59.58 | cahoot | nekostar: toggle digital output jack in alsamixer |
| 12:00.04 | peterS | but do double-check that your speakers are plugged into the audigy, not the mobo (: |
| 12:00.13 | nekostar | ya it finds the card.. emu10k1 module |
| 12:00.20 | jetscreamer | emu or snd-emu |
| 12:00.23 | nekostar | cahoot, ok |
| 12:00.36 | nekostar | peterS, they are where they need to be |
| 12:00.44 | nekostar | were working on last install |
| 12:00.44 | cahoot | jetscreamer: since alsamixer finds it alsa runs ok |
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| 12:01.16 | brownie17 | hey, can someone help me, i want to find a plugin for XMMS that will allow me to use global shortcuts? |
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| 12:01.31 | jetscreamer | well we got peterS abrotman and cahoot working on it... i expect fast results :) |
| 12:01.55 | jetscreamer | overcome the pebkac men! |
| 12:01.57 | peterS | jetscreamer: I don't have multiple sound cards so I don't have to deal with alsa support for that sort of thing. I also don't have a SBLive, audigy or otherwise |
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| 12:02.23 | jetscreamer | my sblive has always mostly 'just worked' i don't see why ppl dis em |
| 12:02.25 | peterS | but I appreciate your vote of confidence |
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| 12:02.44 | jetscreamer | must be creative |
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| 12:02.58 | abrotman | sound? .. i have my computer setup to release a little magic smoke every time i try to enter command mode too many times |
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| 12:03.08 | peterS | in fact, jetscreamer, my vanity is sufficiently strokable that I just stashed you into my local quotefile |
| 12:03.18 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 12:03.49 | peterS | it was that label "overcome the pebcak men" that made it quotable |
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| 12:04.03 | nekostar | lol |
| 12:04.07 | jetscreamer | nekostar: /msg dpkg alsa-bork maybe after you try the other stuff |
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| 12:04.23 | sambrista | hi! I've got a little problem with my mp3 player. The thing is that when i plug it gnome recognises it as a simple usb storage system, not as a mp3player, so it doesn't have a mp3player icon and it doesn't appear in rhythmbox. Does anyone know what can i do? |
| 12:04.27 | nekostar | what is the daemon that alsa runs? |
| 12:04.37 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 12:04.37 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 12:05.09 | stoned | food morning |
| 12:05.12 | stoned | good * |
| 12:05.20 | peterS | step 7 needs some explanation. it should work only if you have the 'snd-pcm-oss' module loaded. |
| 12:05.29 | abrotman | stoned: munchies already? |
| 12:05.33 | lord_rob | Hi ! I have a problem with clamav-freshclam. /etc/init.d/clamav-freshclam stop doesn't work so I cannot remove the package anymore and I cannot shut down my computer correctly. Any idea how I could solve the problem ? |
| 12:05.41 | lord_rob | (using sid) |
| 12:05.54 | stoned | hehe, nah man, got hangover, decided to entertain and drink last night, must work in 40 minutes! |
| 12:06.15 | abrotman | stoned: but you're on IRC ? |
| 12:06.34 | stoned | yeh, I do that every morning, I am hoplessly addicted |
| 12:06.34 | nekostar | interesting...... |
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| 12:06.45 | abrotman | most of us IRC *at* work |
| 12:06.47 | stoned | peterS, god bless you, I needed that |
| 12:06.47 | nekostar | even though i did the alsaconf it didnt toss the module name in /etc/modules |
| 12:07.09 | nekostar | mebbie a little modprob action will do it |
| 12:07.18 | abrotman | stoned: what kind of horrible job requires you to be at work at 8am on a sunday ? |
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| 12:07.22 | cahoot | nekostar: : since alsamixer finds it alsa runs ok |
| 12:07.24 | peterS | nekostar: it doesn't use /etc/modules, it stashes stuff in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa or some such |
| 12:07.26 | jetscreamer | !find synaptics |
| 12:07.29 | stoned | nekostar, just echo "module name" >>/etc/modules |
| 12:07.34 | stoned | oh |
| 12:07.44 | stoned | didnt know that about alsa |
| 12:08.51 | nekostar | /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base i dont have the .../alsa |
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| 12:09.07 | cahoot | nekostar: you've checked the pcm is unmuted not only fiddled with the volume? |
| 12:09.09 | jetscreamer | !info xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 12:09.17 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 12:09.20 | jetscreamer | !info xserver-xorg-input-synaptics etch |
| 12:09.21 | nekostar | cahoot, what else can i do to check that? |
| 12:09.27 | peterS | yes, that's it, /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 12:09.39 | cahoot | nekostar:study alsamixers display |
| 12:09.44 | nekostar | lol |
| 12:09.51 | nekostar | cahoot, and co |
| 12:09.58 | nekostar | i guarentee u if i could turn it on its on |
| 12:10.19 | jetscreamer | i can't use apt-cache or apt-file to search etch or sarge if i have sid sources can i... ? |
| 12:10.21 | nekostar | i can do a full screenshot of it lemme ul it to my site.. one sec lol dual mons rock |
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| 12:10.39 | cahoot | nekostar: toggling digital output jack in alsamixer didn't do any good? |
| 12:10.58 | nekostar | cahoot, i dont have that exact option.... |
| 12:11.05 | nekostar | i have a few switches like um.. |
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| 12:11.11 | jetscreamer | cahoot: i never noticed that digital toggle turning mine off in linux. it does in windows |
| 12:11.15 | jetscreamer | i tried |
| 12:11.23 | cahoot | jetscreamer: does for my audigy |
| 12:11.26 | nekostar | sigm. 4-speaker sterio.. phase inversion.. |
| 12:11.28 | jetscreamer | course it's sblive not audigy |
| 12:11.35 | lord_rob | Do anybody know how I could klill clamav-freshclam without using /etc/init.d/clamav-freshclam stop ? |
| 12:11.36 | nekostar | 3d control switch etc |
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| 12:12.05 | jetscreamer | lord_rob: at the least you could chmod -x the script for it in /etc/init.d and it won't start on reboot |
| 12:12.23 | cahoot | nekostar: grep -i -A3 jack /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
| 12:12.25 | lord_rob | ah yes good idea jetscreamer |
| 12:12.28 | jetscreamer | lord_rob: i don't know how to just stop it though. doesn't mean it can't be done, i just don't know how |
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| 12:12.49 | lord_rob | yes but your idea seems good anyway |
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| 12:12.57 | dan2 | abrotman, hey there |
| 12:13.06 | peterS | whoa....... it's a dan2! |
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| 12:13.24 | peterS | I haven't seen you in ... *years*? |
| 12:13.31 | dan2 | hey peterS |
| 12:13.39 | abrotman | dan2: how'd you know i was here? |
| 12:13.39 | dan2 | it has been a while |
| 12:13.46 | dan2 | abrotman, I'm psychic |
| 12:13.52 | peterS | abrotman: who are we kidding, you are always here |
| 12:13.58 | abrotman | peterS: i think he was here while you were travelling the world |
| 12:13.58 | dan2 | peterS :) |
| 12:14.09 | abrotman | peterS: i am not .. i shut down at night :) |
| 12:14.23 | peterS | abrotman: it's possible, though I was really only travelling the _new_ world |
| 12:14.28 | jetscreamer | !seen bob2 |
| 12:14.28 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 172d 5h 9m 10s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 12:14.52 | jetscreamer | bob2 became an ubuntu op |
| 12:14.54 | peterS | bob2 was spotted slightly more recently under an alias, as though he didn't want people to know it was he |
| 12:14.59 | peterS | I forget the alias now though |
| 12:15.00 | jetscreamer | but faded from there also afaik |
| 12:15.00 | abrotman | peterS: i think dan was here .. a few weeks ago .. but you were MIA around then |
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| 12:15.17 | dan2 | I came back starting ~1 month ago |
| 12:15.21 | dan2 | I come in sporiadically |
| 12:15.32 | abrotman | peterS: do they know why he has "disappeared"? |
| 12:15.42 | stoned | witness protection |
| 12:15.44 | peterS | yes, I mentioned not having seen you in a long time, the other day, and I think Phated said she'd spotted you more recently |
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| 12:16.10 | nekostar | hey cahoot says false |
| 12:16.12 | peterS | abrotman: one rumor has it that he got fed up with all things debian, because of politics or stupid users or who knows what |
| 12:16.16 | abrotman | stoned: isn't it like 715 there? |
| 12:16.21 | stoned | yup |
| 12:16.28 | dragan | i am trying to run xorg on etch - ATI radeon X700. i get a black screen- Xorg.0.log says "Synaptics DeviceOff called". Any clues?? |
| 12:16.29 | stoned | i gotta be in at 7:50 |
| 12:16.36 | abrotman | peterS: you mean in #debian .. or Debian ? |
| 12:16.37 | cahoot | nekostar: could try toggling it |
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| 12:16.44 | peterS | abrotman: Debian |
| 12:16.45 | abrotman | stoned: are you an altar boy ? |
| 12:16.47 | nekostar | donde es |
| 12:16.51 | stoned | is today sunday? |
| 12:16.57 | stoned | oh man |
| 12:16.58 | peterS | stoned: yes, how can you tell? (: |
| 12:16.59 | dan2 | peterS, ironic |
| 12:17.06 | stoned | sweet lord, its sunday already! no more work on weekdays |
| 12:17.08 | jetscreamer | here, the digital output is the black hole |
| 12:17.10 | brownie17 | stoned, do be so stoned! stop smoking pot! |
| 12:17.26 | brownie17 | there are heaps of XMMS plugins in the repos! |
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| 12:17.37 | nekostar | cahoot, got a cli way to do it besides teh mixer thign? |
| 12:17.50 | jetscreamer | nekostar: you just click the light in the gui mixer |
| 12:17.53 | abrotman | peterS: well .. at least he has been seen .. he's not tied up to a bed with a kangaroo |
| 12:17.53 | peterS | brownie17: he's actually the stone daemon, 'stoned'. you connect to the right port and he throws stones at you until you go away |
| 12:17.55 | stoned | abrotman, ironically enough, I am indian, and I work at a conveneint store, owned by a indian guy. Its min wage, but under the table, so it works, 3 days out the week, 8 hours a day, only weekend mornings shifts, i have 500$ a month |
| 12:17.57 | nekostar | o fark |
| 12:17.58 | nekostar | found it |
| 12:17.59 | cahoot | nekostar: you can't find it in alsamixer? |
| 12:18.00 | nekostar | zomg \o/ |
| 12:18.02 | stoned | peterS, hehe |
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| 12:18.11 | nekostar | <Audigy A> <<---- |
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| 12:18.25 | nekostar | not labeled good at all !_! |
| 12:18.27 | abrotman | nekostar: is there an audigy B ? |
| 12:18.40 | nekostar | no |
| 12:18.43 | abrotman | stoned: eh ... this is in oklahoma? |
| 12:18.48 | nekostar | there is however an audigy c |
| 12:18.51 | stoned | I check out rythembox! its nice, but I dunno how much I like the library featues |
| 12:18.56 | peterS | is there an audi G? |
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| 12:19.03 | stoned | abrotman, yes, also like I said, amarok has spoiled me |
| 12:19.04 | stoned | hehe |
| 12:19.11 | nekostar | analog > // audigy a // audigy c |
| 12:19.18 | abrotman | stoned: tried quodlibet? |
| 12:19.23 | nekostar | in order... that was analog M btw |
| 12:19.25 | nekostar | lol |
| 12:19.29 | stoned | have not had the chance yet mate |
| 12:19.34 | jetscreamer | somebody help dragan :) |
| 12:19.36 | brownie17 | peterS, lol? you nerds have got a whole different world. why did he once rename himself drunk then? |
| 12:19.45 | stoned | I will probably this evening after work, hopefuly when when you're around so I can pick your brain ;) |
| 12:19.48 | nekostar | thanx guys... dunno what i would do without ya ~_^ |
| 12:19.48 | peterS | brownie17: possibly I'm making this up as I go along |
| 12:19.53 | morten | apache is supposed to point to /home/www. however, when i test my server, i get a 404 error, and the error log says /htdocs not found. what's going on here? |
| 12:20.00 | brownie17 | peterS, lol, i thought as much |
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| 12:20.18 | peterS | morten: presumably /var/log/apache/error.log will tell you more |
| 12:20.22 | dragan | jetscrewer: i hope so too ... :-) |
| 12:20.38 | morten | peterS: that's what i'm looking at now. |
| 12:20.44 | dan2 | peterS, come on to #ideation |
| 12:20.45 | abrotman | stoned: i was messing with all the ones i have installed yesterday .. quodlibet is actually pretty nice once you figure it out |
| 12:20.56 | morten | peterS: "File does not exist: /htdocs" |
| 12:21.26 | peterS | dan2: a whole channel devoted to the ation of ATA interfaces? |
| 12:21.47 | stoned | abrotman, hey cool man, I'll definitely check it out, I'll see you and all you other debian freaks later tonight, I must work now, bye |
| 12:21.55 | peterS | morten: what can I say, an error of some sort in httpd.conf |
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| 12:22.00 | dan2 | peters, no, interesting problem with non-arbitrary pricing models |
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| 12:22.16 | abrotman | haha .. sunday workers! |
| 12:22.16 | peterS | dan2: I have no idea what that means |
| 12:22.41 | morten | peterS: hmm. i'm not suing httpd.conf. could it be in /sites-available/default? |
| 12:23.01 | Shadowcat | heh pricing models |
| 12:23.05 | peterS | morten: you figure it out. I have _no_ idea what config files you have where, or what they look like |
| 12:23.06 | dragan | i am trying to run xorg on etch - ATI radeon X700. i get a black screen- Xorg.0.log says "Synaptics DeviceOff called\n FreeFontPath: FPE:"unix/:700" refcount is 2, should be 1:fixing . Any clues?? |
| 12:23.07 | Shadowcat | I just don't get consumers sometimes |
| 12:23.18 | peterS | Shadowcat: you think you should get your models for free? |
| 12:23.34 | Shadowcat | peterS: I went to buy a gpu yesturday |
| 12:23.43 | morten | peterS: that's true, i suppose |
| 12:23.47 | Shadowcat | two Geforce 6600 GTs |
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| 12:24.01 | Shadowcat | the only difference was that one was dual dvi and the other was dvi/vga |
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| 12:24.10 | Shadowcat | and the dual dvi cost 25% more |
| 12:24.25 | Shadowcat | I mean that's what I call an inflated price |
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| 12:24.56 | brownie17 | does anyone know how i can increase the font size of the condensed playlist editor? |
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| 12:25.03 | brownie17 | does anyone know how i can increase the font size of the condensed playlist editor in XMMS? |
| 12:25.04 | MoDaX | dragan: laptop? |
| 12:25.11 | peterS | abrotman: hey, you haven't moved to irc.debian.org yet |
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| 12:25.18 | abrotman | peterS: have you? |
| 12:25.21 | Shadowcat | peterS: not too many there |
| 12:25.39 | peterS | I've been there since the dawn of time, where that is defined as ... hmmm, 2 years ago |
| 12:25.55 | abrotman | peterS: i'll probably stay here as long as there are people to help .. and i'm sure that the ops over there will be happier for that :) |
| 12:26.03 | peterS | heh |
| 12:26.04 | dragan | MoDaX: toshiba satellite m70 |
| 12:26.11 | jetscreamer | brownie17: all i know is ctrl+d which isn't what you want |
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| 12:26.34 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, I'm curious to see what the relative channel sizes and traffic will do over the next week or so |
| 12:26.35 | abrotman | peterS: but i did register my nick and stuff .. is there actually any traffic over there? |
| 12:26.36 | jetscreamer | there may be an #xmms |
| 12:26.46 | peterS | abrotman: it's humming along pretty good, actually |
| 12:26.48 | Shadowcat | abrotman: apparently |
| 12:26.53 | scytheman | is there a way to specify a second url to open with lynx on the commandline? start another instance of lynx doesn't work because i need to stay logged in on a website |
| 12:26.54 | jetscreamer | and lo: there is. |
| 12:27.13 | brownie17 | jetscreamer, what'll that do? |
| 12:27.38 | jetscreamer | what will /join #xmms do, or the ctrl d |
| 12:27.46 | concept10 | I cant believe linspire has a debian based distro, thats insane |
| 12:27.47 | jetscreamer | ctrl d doublesizes the player |
| 12:27.55 | abrotman | peterS: that's a pretty large jump in channel size in one day |
| 12:28.07 | jetscreamer | concept10: no it's not but when it comes time to dist-upgrade, it breaks |
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| 12:28.08 | MoDaX | dragan: try adding 'Option "MonitorLayout" "LVDS, AUTO"' to Section "Device" with Driver "ati" of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 12:28.30 | jetscreamer | i checked out a linspire box once |
| 12:28.38 | jetscreamer | 200 bucks at fry's |
| 12:28.44 | peterS | abrotman: for awhile it hung at 133 because debhelper wasn't +o so it couldn't raise the join limit (: but dondelelcaro fixed that so now it's been rising again |
| 12:28.44 | nekostar | ha |
| 12:28.46 | mwe | what meta package provides the basic X include files? |
| 12:28.49 | nekostar | u got ripped off jetscreamer |
| 12:28.53 | nekostar | i got it for 100 \o/ |
| 12:29.02 | concept10 | jetscreamer, I hope it breaks, linspire basically are trying copy ubuntus model |
| 12:29.05 | jetscreamer | nekostar: nah, the client wanted cheap and to install windows on it |
| 12:29.16 | Shadowcat | heh windblows |
| 12:29.16 | brownie17 | jetscreamer, you read the motd for #XMMS? |
| 12:29.21 | abrotman | peterS: ah .. well .. like i said .. i'll do one or the other .. i guess if enough people ask me to go to oftc .. i would .. but i doubt anyone really gives a crap ;) |
| 12:29.25 | jetscreamer | no |
| 12:29.29 | nekostar | ya i got that same compy the first day they were selling em |
| 12:29.37 | nekostar | they had a big sale for 99 bucks in my area |
| 12:29.40 | nekostar | :) |
| 12:29.43 | nekostar | ended up with two |
| 12:29.49 | nekostar | traded one for this |
| 12:29.50 | nekostar | (Kernel):[Linux 2.6.8-2-386 i686] (Uptime):[39 min] (Load):[1.07] (CPUCount):[1] (Model):[AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+] (Clock):[2162.859MHz] (Cache):[512 KB] (Bogomips):[4276.22] (Mem):[194/906M [||||||||||]] (Total Space):[40.1G] (Processes):[65] |
| 12:29.51 | peterS | abrotman: the DNS switch happened 13.5 hours ago, new users have been going over there ever since, though not all the regulars are |
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| 12:30.07 | jetscreamer | brownie17: ah i see |
| 12:30.13 | abrotman | peterS: i'm thought maybe don would have flushed this channel |
| 12:30.15 | cahoot | nekostar: got sound now? |
| 12:30.27 | nekostar | cahoot, heck yeah ty |
| 12:30.38 | nekostar | my latest query is a lil harder: |
| 12:30.39 | peterS | abrotman: nah, there are enough people who use 'freenode' rather than 'irc.debian.org' that this channel will continue to exist for quite awhile |
| 12:30.54 | nekostar | i run nvidia fx-5200 // nvidia-glx which is all in correctly... |
| 12:30.58 | peterS | I mean, people who are already on freenode for other reasons and just happen to use #debian here |
| 12:31.00 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. but still could have flushed it .. get the lurkers out of here! |
| 12:31.05 | peterS | heh |
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| 12:31.38 | peterS | I asked sussudio about Piggy the debstats bot, he said she would live here but another bot might hang out over there |
| 12:31.42 | nekostar | so when i take the second gnome-panel and toss on second monitor [using twinview btw] and toss a window-list applet on it they both read the same open windows... |
| 12:31.51 | trampel | in xorg.conf should there still be FontPaths to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts.."? or 'should' it all be to "/usr/share/fonts/X11" or is that "/usr/share/X11/fonts"? -sigh- thankee |
| 12:31.53 | abrotman | peterS: he showed me stats the other day |
| 12:31.53 | jetscreamer | i'd hate to not /join #debian just because somebody switched servers |
| 12:32.10 | abrotman | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html |
| 12:32.46 | peterS | abrotman: oh hey, whaddayaknow |
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| 12:32.50 | abrotman | peterS: i do like that there are more DDs on the OFTC one .. but i'm sure that will change shortly |
| 12:32.56 | {xmb} | whats this bug that i cant double click text or stuff with the mouse right |
| 12:32.56 | nekostar | i wanna share the desktops// one X -- so i can drag from one monitor to the other... but i want the panel applets to only reflect whats open on that actual monitor.. |
| 12:32.59 | nekostar | any ideas? |
| 12:33.00 | nekostar | :P |
| 12:33.10 | abrotman | peterS: seems like just a test page .. because that's what it was yesterday too |
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| 12:33.34 | peterS | abrotman: oh so he's not running the pisg update script from cron, yet |
| 12:33.45 | mirak | what is supposed to mount sysfs ? I don't have it in fstab but it's mounted |
| 12:33.54 | abrotman | peterS: i'm not sure it's even his Piggy |
| 12:33.55 | {xmb} | or alt-mouse to drag windows, only partly works |
| 12:34.02 | peterS | abrotman: it's true, if that were up to date I'd be visible |
| 12:34.17 | peterS | (I started paying attention to #d@oftc just after the swichover last night) |
| 12:34.31 | struct | mirak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysfs |
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| 12:34.36 | abrotman | peterS: i don't think i can handle two #debians :) |
| 12:35.00 | struct | abrotman: why not? |
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| 12:35.07 | peterS | abrotman: yeah who knows what'll happen long term, whether this channel remains viable and worth supporting, or whether it mainly goes away |
| 12:35.10 | abrotman | struct: i'm only human FFS |
| 12:35.14 | dragan | MoDax: that did the trick , could you please explain me what does that actually do??? |
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| 12:35.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:35.28 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:35.38 | abrotman | peterS: that's my thing .. i like freenode .. it's mostly reliable .. but if there's noone to stupport .. why stay |
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| 12:35.41 | {xmb} | hi tar |
| 12:36.02 | peterS | abrotman: wait and see, I guess. I'm curious how it all falls out, to be sure |
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| 12:36.33 | abrotman | peterS: i still think don should flush this one .. just to see who's connectingin where .. though that might DoS OFTC |
| 12:36.34 | struct | abrotman: its me jharrison |
| 12:36.41 | abrotman | struct: why are you in disguise? |
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| 12:36.53 | struct | abrotman: wanted to be more anonymous |
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| 12:37.06 | struct | abrotman: however it seems to have the effect that my friends dont recognize me |
| 12:37.26 | abrotman | struct: how could we? .. you don't even have your irc real name filled out |
| 12:37.32 | morten | peterS: figured it out. there was no symlink from sites-available/default to sites-enabled |
| 12:37.33 | struct | hehe |
| 12:37.36 | morten | a winnar is me! |
| 12:37.43 | peterS | morten: yeah, you win |
| 12:37.45 | struct | abrotman: I can fix that I suppose |
| 12:37.53 | peterS | morten: 'a2ensite default' then? |
| 12:38.11 | abrotman | struct: you could .. but i'd still have to /whois you to see it |
| 12:38.12 | morten | peterS: i just created the symlink manually, actually. is that a bad idea? |
| 12:38.18 | struct | abrotman: yes I know |
| 12:38.28 | peterS | morten: should be fine. a2ensite is just for convenience |
| 12:38.36 | peterS | morten: along with a2enmod / a2dismod |
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| 12:39.06 | morten | i'll keep those in mind in case i need them |
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| 12:39.19 | mirak | struct: thanks, so the kernel mounts it ? |
| 12:39.24 | struct | so it looks like #debian on freenode is not suffering much since the change to OFTC |
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| 12:39.31 | asg | struct: nope |
| 12:39.35 | struct | mirak: it sure seems that way doesnt it? |
| 12:39.39 | h|barbobot | okay im having trouble installing tightvncserver due to a broken dependency involving x11-common, do i file a bug report with x11-common or tightvncserver |
| 12:39.58 | morten | peterS: it seemed that it reverted to /htdocs when it couldn't find /sites-available/default. is that hardcoded, or can i change the default to something other than /htdocs? |
| 12:40.03 | peterS | struct: #debian@oftc traffic picked up a lot, though |
| 12:40.04 | mirak | struct: not sure, it could be udev or something, don't know |
| 12:40.12 | struct | asg: do you see that mcvities has chocolate covered hob nobs now? |
| 12:40.24 | abrotman | h|barbobot: you check the BTS first .. and make sure you've run apt-get update ... |
| 12:40.24 | asg | struct: really? |
| 12:40.28 | struct | asg: yes |
| 12:40.37 | peterS | morten: why 'change the default'? I don't know if it's hardcoded or not, but really, you shouldn't have to care |
| 12:40.40 | asg | struct: I'll have to check out the imports market and see if they have some |
| 12:40.41 | struct | asg: not as good as the dark chocolate digestives though if you ask me |
| 12:40.44 | MoDaX | dragan: ati driver wrongly detected your LCD panel (it swapped heads with external and internal displays). if you connected an external monitor, you would have seen the output there |
| 12:40.51 | asg | struct: no, the digestives are the best |
| 12:40.54 | morten | peterS: true. i guess i'll just leave it be. i was mostly curious, anyway. |
| 12:40.57 | h|barbobot | actually, to be more specific, tightvnc requires xserver-common which requires X11-common which seems to be broken after upgrading to etch |
| 12:40.59 | MoDaX | dragan: I had the same problem |
| 12:41.08 | struct | asg: if I remember I could bring some to send to you when I visit the US in september |
| 12:41.08 | morten | peterS: since /htdocs is a pretty retarded default location |
| 12:41.08 | MoDaX | dragan: with the same ATI X700 mibility |
| 12:41.17 | peterS | morten: you know as much as I do. apache reads /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and the files it includes. you can read those and see what you think |
| 12:41.23 | struct | asg: you are still in NC right? |
| 12:41.26 | asg | struct: yep |
| 12:41.34 | morten | peterS: apache2 doesn't use httpd.conf |
| 12:41.35 | struct | asg: ill be just over the border from you |
| 12:41.44 | mirak | struct: you visit it in plane ? |
| 12:41.45 | asg | struct: tn? |
| 12:41.45 | peterS | morten: what makes you say that? |
| 12:41.51 | struct | asg: yep |
| 12:41.55 | struct | mirak: of course |
| 12:41.57 | morten | peterS: the fact that it's empty, except for a comment, by default |
| 12:42.02 | struct | mirak: boat ride takes too long |
| 12:42.11 | h|barbobot | abrotman: ya i see some bugs already filed, is there a way to maybe say "I have this same problem"? |
| 12:42.12 | peterS | morten: ah, indeed, it's apache2.conf |
| 12:42.15 | mirak | struct: it's harder to crash also ... |
| 12:42.17 | struct | mirak: and driving is out of the question unless you have a car that can drive on the ocean |
| 12:42.22 | struct | mirak: and well thats called a boat |
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| 12:42.26 | struct | mirak: which takes too long |
| 12:42.37 | abrotman | h|barbobot: yep .. you send to bug#@bugs.debian.org |
| 12:42.39 | morten | peterS: apache2.conf does exactly the same as httpd.conf did in apache1? |
| 12:42.40 | mirak | struct: I wanted to do some joke ... |
| 12:42.48 | struct | :) |
| 12:42.50 | h|barbobot | cool thanks abrotman |
| 12:42.56 | peterS | morten: yeah, though possibly with additional syntax available |
| 12:43.02 | mirak | struct: I was about to say a boat is harder to crash in some towers lol |
| 12:43.04 | dragan | MoDaX: god damn it... i had the same f....ng though about the issue becuses the screen is soo dead there is no feel of charge passed true it.. |
| 12:43.14 | struct | asg: got to bring the new daughter up to visit the family |
| 12:43.39 | struct | asg: so I will try to remember to bring some mcvities stuff |
| 12:43.47 | peterS | morten: for example I'm not sure if apache 1.3 supports 'Include /a/b/c/foo*' syntax with a wildcard in it. apache2.conf relies on this to implement the mods-enabled/ and sites-enabled/ stuff |
| 12:43.53 | dragan | MoDaX: i also found some info in Xorg.0.log that the CRT is ok while LVD |
| 12:44.06 | morten | peterS: that's true. i like that about apache2. |
| 12:44.06 | struct | asg: maybe there is other stuff you might like too besides mcvitties as we have lots of english stuff here |
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| 12:44.09 | dragan | LVDS is none |
| 12:44.16 | MoDaX | dragan: yep |
| 12:44.48 | dragan | NoDaX: well then thanks for help! |
| 12:44.57 | asg | struct: well, we have an international foods shop a few miles away and they have everything I need these days :) |
| 12:45.09 | asg | struct: HP, digestives, etc. |
| 12:45.24 | struct | asg: true |
| 12:45.26 | Arafangion | asg: A shop just needs to have good coffee, imho. |
| 12:45.32 | Arafangion | asg: Unfortunately, few places do. |
| 12:45.46 | struct | Arafangion: coffee is nothing to a good pipe smoke |
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| 12:46.01 | asg | or a decent pint of the foaming ale |
| 12:46.06 | struct | Arafangion: although coffee during a good pipe smoke is good |
| 12:46.11 | struct | yeah |
| 12:46.13 | struct | a nice ale |
| 12:46.14 | struct | mmmmmmm |
| 12:46.19 | struct | now im getting thirsty |
| 12:46.30 | struct | asg: what ales to you get up there? |
| 12:46.40 | struct | asg: here the only one that comes to mind is bodingtons |
| 12:46.52 | h|barbobot | boddingtons uber alles! |
| 12:46.56 | struct | asg: and the only place to get that is at the cricket club |
| 12:47.05 | asg | struct: we have bod, bass, newcastle, sam smith's, tetley's |
| 12:47.05 | h|barbobot | thats one of my favorite ales ;) |
| 12:47.27 | struct | asg: man nice variety |
| 12:47.45 | asg | struct: yeah, all of that but sam smith's is on draught. |
| 12:47.48 | h|barbobot | http://www.egourmetchef.com/cheese/boddingtons_cheddar.htm |
| 12:47.52 | struct | asg: I have been enjoying a lot of red wines lately |
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| 12:48.21 | asg | struct: I'm not much of a wine drinker. |
| 12:48.31 | Arafangion | And coffee. |
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| 12:49.04 | struct | Arafangion: me too although not the coffee much though |
| 12:49.18 | struct | Arafangion: I like coffee it just makes me to skittish |
| 12:49.35 | struct | Arafangion: I like more relaxing type things |
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| 12:49.46 | abrotman | peterS: maybe we'll get a better caliber of questions! |
| 12:50.12 | peterS | abrotman: that's one question that's been floating around, whether the sunday effect will be magnified or subdued by the DNS change |
| 12:50.22 | asg | peterS: it seems better so far |
| 12:50.35 | peterS | asg: for a Sunday this isn't too bad, to be sure |
| 12:50.38 | struct | abrotman: how do I set up a lvs cluster with load managment and data distribution? |
| 12:50.41 | Arafangion | struct: Coffee doesn't make me skittish. |
| 12:50.45 | abrotman | peterS: it will be half a sunday on both networks .. giving us a break .. and them a glimpse of the horror! |
| 12:50.47 | Arafangion | (Though my friends sometimes say otherwise) |
| 12:50.56 | abrotman | struct: lvm ? |
| 12:50.59 | asg | peterS: indeed. Hopefully it stays this way |
| 12:51.06 | peterS | what's Ubuntu's IRC network? |
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| 12:51.14 | struct | abrotman: s/lvm/lvs |
| 12:51.16 | abrotman | asg: peterS : it is only 9am |
| 12:51.18 | peterS | let's hope it's freenode |
| 12:51.32 | abrotman | peterS: they have channels on both |
| 12:51.38 | abrotman | struct: wtf is LVS ? |
| 12:51.48 | peterS | 'linux virtual server' kernel stuff |
| 12:51.48 | struct | abrotman: linux virtual server |
| 12:52.00 | h|barbobot | linux virtual sex? |
| 12:52.05 | peterS | yessss |
| 12:52.08 | abrotman | since i didn't know what lvs was .. chances are .. i don't know how to set it up either :) |
| 12:52.08 | struct | abrotman: you wanted a higher caliber of question so I am just trying to help out |
| 12:52.14 | peterS | it's neither male nor female, it's virtual |
| 12:52.23 | asg | it's neuter |
| 12:52.23 | struct | hehe |
| 12:52.37 | h|barbobot | aldp |
| 12:52.42 | struct | you silly fellows |
| 12:52.49 | h|barbobot | asexual linux documentation project |
| 12:53.00 | infernix | hmm. GNU's ddrescue is not the same as the ddrescue which is in Debian (which is really dd_rescue), and it looks like the GNU one is a better tool to work with standalone, since dd_rescue only works well with the dd_rhelp script (which isnt included). How come the GNU ddrescue isnt in Debian? |
| 12:53.03 | struct | linux is like the grouper? |
| 12:53.14 | struct | changes from male to female? |
| 12:53.27 | struct | abrotman: lvs is super cool |
| 12:53.34 | abrotman | tool ? |
| 12:53.44 | struct | abrotman: you can have cluster nodes die and you are still online |
| 12:53.48 | struct | abrotman: tool? |
| 12:53.48 | yang | if i type apt-get remove build-essential its not removing gcc |
| 12:53.48 | abrotman | infernix: you would probably want to ask the maintainer |
| 12:54.09 | abrotman | yang: build-essential is a metapackage |
| 12:54.12 | infernix | s/tool/program/. will do:) |
| 12:54.33 | struct | oh I see nothing to do with me |
| 12:54.33 | yang | abrotman: so all build-packages must be removed manually? |
| 12:54.53 | abrotman | yang: or you could use aptitude .. which would do it automagically |
| 12:55.03 | mwe | yang: use aptitude to install/unstall programs and it will work |
| 12:55.07 | infernix | ahh. gddrescue. *slaps himself* |
| 12:55.23 | struct | time for tea |
| 12:55.29 | mwe | yang: if you install build-essential with aptitude it will also remove it |
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| 12:56.17 | antoniojulio | e |
| 12:56.25 | mwe | yang: you can run sudo debfoster |
| 12:56.34 | abrotman | peterS: maybe i should just retire from IRC altogether ... |
| 12:56.36 | mwe | yang: you might have to install it first though |
| 12:56.41 | peterS | noooooo |
| 12:56.51 | abrotman | peterS: i could become a DD instead! |
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| 12:57.00 | peterS | you can do both |
| 12:57.07 | bingo | hi |
| 12:57.24 | abrotman | i'd still have to find something i'm interested in .. and capable .. of maintaining |
| 12:57.25 | peterS | the part of you that's becoming a DD can move to oftc, the part of you that's just answering user questions can stay here |
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| 12:58.16 | spacysp1ff | Hello everyone, is there a tool on gnome to search and populate the apps on the menu like kde has kappfinder? |
| 12:58.32 | abrotman | spacysp1ff: in Debian? |
| 12:58.47 | infernix | abrotman: saying that you should retire from irc makes it sound like a job ;) |
| 12:58.47 | spacysp1ff | erm yes |
| 12:58.51 | abrotman | erm yes? |
| 12:59.02 | spacysp1ff | abrotman, i mean yes |
| 12:59.10 | abrotman | infernix: nah .. i enjoy it .. just like my real job |
| 12:59.13 | spacysp1ff | well i am using fedora but i have used debian for pretty long now |
| 12:59.19 | abrotman | infernix: if i didn't like doing it .. i wouldn't |
| 12:59.53 | abrotman | spacysp1ff: see .. debian has the menu/menu-xdg package .. dunno what fedora has .. you could try ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org .. but i'm not awawre of anything |
| 13:00.37 | yang | abrotman: well if i do purge build-essential withing aptitude its not removing gcc |
| 13:00.46 | struct | abrotman: you becoming a DD? |
| 13:00.54 | abrotman | yang: you would have had to install with aptitude |
| 13:01.02 | yang | abrotman: i did both |
| 13:01.16 | abrotman | struct: maybe some day .. if i find something to maintain .. or some other way to contribute |
| 13:01.22 | struct | abrotman: I need a package sponsored |
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| 13:01.31 | struct | abrotman: so you let me know |
| 13:01.35 | abrotman | yang: so the first time you installed build-essential .. you installed with aptitude ? |
| 13:01.43 | abrotman | struct: there are other DDs in here |
| 13:01.48 | struct | abrotman: I know |
| 13:01.49 | struct | :-P |
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| 13:01.54 | yang | abrotman: no , but i reinstalled it with aptitude |
| 13:01.58 | abrotman | struct: and it would probably be like two years |
| 13:02.02 | struct | abrotman: I know |
| 13:02.04 | struct | :-P |
| 13:02.06 | abrotman | yang: doesn't work like that :) |
| 13:02.07 | eleftherios | is it just me or other people experience plenty of crashes with Firefox on Sarge? |
| 13:02.11 | struct | abrotman: I joking around |
| 13:02.21 | mwe | yang: run sudo debfoster |
| 13:02.43 | abrotman | deborphan is nice too |
| 13:02.49 | abrotman | but is kind of manual i guess |
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| 13:03.29 | Arafangion | Damn, windows takes fricking forever to update. |
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| 13:03.52 | struct | abrotman: tarzeau has lots of packages he wants in debian |
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| 13:04.00 | struct | abrotman: he could tell you about some to package |
| 13:04.24 | abrotman | struct: tarzeau is NM .. he'll get them in soon enough |
| 13:04.24 | tarzeau | struct: what happened to that game you packaged? |
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| 13:04.50 | struct | tarzeau: its done |
| 13:04.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: you too can be NM, just package something |
| 13:04.54 | struct | tarzeau: but I need a sponsor |
| 13:05.04 | struct | tarzeau: and I need a manpage still too |
| 13:05.06 | tarzeau | struct: do you look for one? |
| 13:05.11 | tarzeau | struct: write one? |
| 13:05.17 | struct | tarzeau: yes I will write one |
| 13:05.19 | tarzeau | struct: there's some tool like help2man or so |
| 13:05.40 | struct | tarzeau: ok I will look at it and try to do it this week |
| 13:06.15 | abrotman | peterS: if i go to OFTC .. will my kingsley-productivity go down? |
| 13:06.41 | peterS | abrotman: dude I forgot about kingsley's metrics |
| 13:06.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:07.34 | josep | what precompiled kernel should I use for a Sempron (32bits)? |
| 13:07.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: here package this: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Warsow |
| 13:07.51 | tarzeau | josep: k7? |
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| 13:08.45 | dan2 | asg, how are ya man |
| 13:09.16 | asg | dan2: hiya, pretty good |
| 13:09.25 | abrotman | josep: -686 |
| 13:09.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: the license is "unknown" |
| 13:09.50 | josep | thanks |
| 13:09.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: download it and look into the source files |
| 13:09.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: talk to upstream |
| 13:10.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: or i could have you do it! |
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| 13:10.13 | peterS | josep: yeah I doubt you notice much difference between -686 and -k7, but the latter is a bit more specific |
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| 13:10.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: lazy bitch! i'm checking pouetchess already and 2 other games |
| 13:10.46 | abrotman | oh yeah .. sempron dumbass |
| 13:11.08 | overnout | :o |
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| 13:12.17 | Arafangion | abrotman: PLEASE put them the right way around, it's just freaky having them in backwards, it just doesn't look right. |
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| 13:12.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: shmup is 18mb, warsow 65mb... |
| 13:13.26 | struct | abrotman: told you he had lots of stuff to package |
| 13:13.29 | struct | abrotman: :-P |
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| 13:14.32 | abrotman | Arafangion: done .. |
| 13:14.38 | Arafangion | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 13:14.56 | abrotman | Arafangion: they are weighted .. i have a stigmatism |
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| 13:15.42 | Arafangion | abrotman: I thought you were pretending, ie, glass eyes. :) |
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| 13:16.41 | abrotman | Arafangion: no .. i'm +1.75 and +2.25 .. i can see the screen .. but misread things |
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| 13:17.29 | liable | blah |
| 13:17.38 | crazy_penguin | good afternoon to all! |
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| 13:18.08 | Arafangion | abrotman: Good luck with your admin duties :) I should get some sleep :( |
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| 13:18.08 | Arafangion | I'm zonked. |
| 13:19.29 | abrotman | it's sunday ... |
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| 13:20.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: well .. i'm not going to package it if it won't run |
| 13:20.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can find out by downloading it and trying to build/run it? |
| 13:21.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. i'm aware of that .. it doesn't run :) |
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| 13:22.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm trying it too... |
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| 13:25.50 | dim | hi guys |
| 13:26.11 | dim | i'd like to set the /sys/class/firmware/timeout at system startup |
| 13:26.30 | dim | i'm used to sysctl for /proc settings, and don't know how to do it for this /sys setting |
| 13:26.32 | dim | any help ? |
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| 13:26.44 | abrotman | dim: /etc/init.d/boot.misc ? |
| 13:26.45 | dim | of course, a documentation pointer would do :) |
| 13:26.55 | abrotman | or .. read /etc/init.d/README |
| 13:27.40 | dim | i want this setting to occur before loading ipw2200 wireless kernel module, btw |
| 13:27.56 | dim | i'm using udev (no hotplug) and kernel 2.6.16 from sid |
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| 13:28.10 | dim | and i'd like to be able not to write custom start script |
| 13:28.15 | dim | for what seems a common problem |
| 13:28.23 | abrotman | you could use /etc/modutils/actions ? |
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| 13:28.42 | dim | ok, rtfm'ing, thx |
| 13:28.55 | infernix | that should be /etc/modprobe.d/ for 2.6.x afaik |
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| 13:29.44 | msoos | Hi! Is it technicallly incorrect from a general point ov view to say that ICMP Ping is service? I mean in the context of "It might be a good idea to turn of the ICMP ping service" |
| 13:30.26 | abrotman | turn off or turn on ? |
| 13:30.34 | abrotman | !icmp |
| 13:30.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, icmp is Internet Control Message Protocol. or DO NOT BLOCK ALL ICMP or someone will thwack you and you will have deserved it., or use --state RELATED in iptables to selectively block and still have legal icmps pass |
| 13:30.45 | msoos | abrotman, the question is: ICMP is a service or not in the Internet world |
| 13:30.58 | abrotman | ICMP is a protocol |
| 13:31.22 | infernix | ICMP is part of the way TCP/IP networking works. without it, it doesnt work. |
| 13:31.23 | msoos | abrotman, yeah, but I specifically mean ICMP ping (type 8 btw) |
| 13:31.36 | msoos | abrotman, thx, I acutally read the ICMP rfc |
| 13:31.37 | dim | i don't have hotplug installed (i run udev) but my system has some hotplug scripts |
| 13:31.45 | dim | are they run ? by which process? |
| 13:31.46 | msoos | infernix, yeah, but is it a service or not? |
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| 13:31.59 | infernix | msoos: how do you define 'service'? |
| 13:32.18 | infernix | msoos: if TCP and UDP are services, yes. |
| 13:32.28 | msoos | because my collegue insists that I am an asshole thinking that it is a service, while he agrees that ICMP echo IS a service... I just want to assure myself that I am not an idiot |
| 13:32.49 | abrotman | you're an asshole because you think ping is a service? |
| 13:32.51 | infernix | technically it's neither. |
| 13:32.57 | {xmb} | can someone dcc me the update-rc.d bin |
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| 13:32.59 | msoos | He insits because ICMP ping is in the linux kernel (like it matters where it is IMPLEMENTED!) |
| 13:33.43 | msoos | abrotman, I have stupid collegues who don't even understand english, so there you go. I tried quoting from the RFC, but that does not help. I just want to feel good myself, you know, knowing that I am not wrong |
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| 13:34.06 | msoos | infernix, yeah. That's what I am saying. Technically even IP is a service on the ethernet |
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| 13:34.44 | abrotman | msoos: ping is a command .. ICMP is a protocol .. the kernel should respond to ICMP packets(such as those issued by ping) |
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| 13:35.11 | msoos | abrotman, well, not the kernel, but the computer - it does not matter where it is implemented |
| 13:35.21 | dim | infernix: module-init-tool seems the way to go |
| 13:35.27 | jbs | msoss: Service is such an overloaded word, the distiction is worthless. |
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| 13:35.42 | jbs | Like "metadata" |
| 13:35.57 | msoos | Even Ip can be implmented in application (as it is, for instance in IP tunelling with IPsec) |
| 13:36.09 | jbs | Or, "implemented." |
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| 13:36.23 | msoos | jbs :D |
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| 13:37.07 | jbs | Using "service" is basically saying: It's a thing that does suff in the place with the other stuff. |
| 13:37.28 | msoos | Thx guys. I even had my boss telling me that it is not a service and insisting on it (this is a 70-person rather big company's support team's boss) |
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| 13:37.49 | jbs | void* |
| 13:37.50 | msoos | It's so tireing woring with people who have no clue :O |
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| 13:38.02 | nakee | anyone remember what was the address of the wiki page about moving to xorg 7.0? |
| 13:38.03 | abrotman | i'm still not sure it's a "service" .. but whatever ... |
| 13:38.22 | abrotman | nakee: wiki.debian.org/Status .. check the Unstable page .. then go from there |
| 13:38.39 | infernix | its a protocol so i dont see it as a service |
| 13:38.52 | msoos | abrotman, yeah... it depends on what we define service. The sentence they despised was this that I wrote "...turn of the ICMP ping service ..." |
| 13:39.05 | nakee | how did it get into testing anyhow? it wants to remove all kde/gnome/other things:) |
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| 13:39.17 | msoos | And they insisted that I am full of shit (with those words(!)) |
| 13:39.19 | infernix | thats just bad writing. it should be 'disallow ICMP ping requests/replies' |
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| 13:39.38 | jbs | Well, if one wants to define a service as something that is optional, then it follows that it is not optional as per RFC, and is therefore not a service. |
| 13:40.06 | msoos | jbs, yeah, but, there are a lot of things that should work per RFC, and don't, as we all know .) |
| 13:40.08 | msoos | :) |
| 13:40.45 | infernix | either way, terminology discussions aren't real problems. :) |
| 13:40.46 | abrotman | nakee: i didn't have that problem |
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| 13:40.58 | msoos | And some don't work due to security reasons, some because of lazyness, others because of human error |
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| 13:41.14 | nakee | abrotman, what did you do? apt-get install xorg? |
| 13:41.15 | jbs | ICMP is more than just ECHO: route redirection, congestion control, et cetera. IP doesn't function correctly without it. |
| 13:41.18 | abrotman | nakee: it actually went pretty well here .. once i purged opera |
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| 13:41.35 | tombs_ | hi all |
| 13:41.35 | abrotman | nakee: no .. i just ran dist-upgrade |
| 13:41.42 | msoos | infernix, THAT is what really IS the point. I was really shocked having talked to me like that by the boss because of this terminological so-called 'error' |
| 13:41.43 | jbs | Therefore it's not optional. |
| 13:41.51 | tombs_ | did anyone had problems with xorg after upgrading? |
| 13:41.59 | abrotman | in etch ? |
| 13:42.02 | msoos | jbs, I know. I was specifically talking ICMP echo |
| 13:42.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: it compiles .. but i'm not sure where the binaries are :) |
| 13:42.19 | tombs_ | abrotman: yes |
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| 13:43.07 | abrotman | tombs_: well .. what kind of problems are you having? |
| 13:43.12 | msoos | ( abrotman: as far as I could get from the RFC, ping has the same type field as echo) |
| 13:43.22 | tombs_ | abrotman: no X |
| 13:43.26 | peterS | msoos: wait, you misspell 'off' as 'of' and you accuse *coworkers* of not speaking English? |
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| 13:43.51 | msoos | peterS, I actually was that, I was mistyping :) |
| 13:43.58 | msoos | was=saw |
| 13:44.01 | abrotman | tombs_: yeah .. what's the error |
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| 13:44.20 | nakee | abrotman, it's a lot better but still want to remove qt4-designer and few dev packages |
| 13:44.21 | abrotman | it's not getting any better |
| 13:44.22 | phogg | Very technical discourse today |
| 13:44.28 | tombs_ | abrotman: no screens found |
| 13:44.35 | msoos | phogg, thanks to me ;) |
| 13:44.36 | abrotman | nakee: you might need to wait a few days |
| 13:44.50 | abrotman | tombs_: look a bit further up the file .. look for another error |
| 13:44.55 | peterS | msoos: need to be more specific than 'icmp echo', anyway. there's echo request and echo reply, two different packets. a kernel responds to an echo request by sending an echo reply |
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| 13:45.28 | jlaw | morten: it worked fine =) |
| 13:45.30 | nakee | I think I'll do that:) |
| 13:45.36 | msoos | peterS, yeah. Echo request = type 8. Echo reply = type 0. I can become techical, just wait :D |
| 13:45.48 | tombs_ | abrotman, well it's semms that the system didn't found the nvidia driver |
| 13:45.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh... |
| 13:45.54 | tombs_ | but not sure |
| 13:46.03 | abrotman | tombs_: yeah .. uh .. you'll need to reinstall that binary crap driver stuff |
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| 13:46.09 | msoos | But the question was less techical and more human (i.e. the meaning of the word 'service') |
| 13:46.13 | lewis | A user's shell is currently this file: http://pastebin.com/757576 - I am trying to have his shell rsync only - this file worked once before - but it is now causing trouble. Can anyone advise? |
| 13:46.25 | abrotman | msoos: service is the wrong word IMO |
| 13:46.43 | tombs_ | abrotman, hehe, crap...ok...reinstalling... |
| 13:46.48 | cahoot | phew - resurrected from a failed xorg upgrade |
| 13:47.00 | msoos | abrotman, But you wouldn't give a speech about it if I used it, would you? |
| 13:47.10 | abrotman | msoos: depends how many times you misused it ;) |
| 13:47.15 | peterS | infernix is right. 'service' is such an overloaded term that it's useless to try to draw distinctions of what is or is not one. best to just avoid the term and say what you really mean |
| 13:47.16 | llvllatrix | I'm having trouble automating the initialization of my wifi card. The card needs to get a link to the router before it can ask for an ip. Unfortunately, /etc/network/interfaces doesnt check for a link before it asks for an ip. Are there any solutions around this problem? |
| 13:47.36 | msoos | Ok, agreed. Thx guys :) |
| 13:47.50 | ugly | cahoot: how'd you fix it? |
| 13:48.08 | peterS | it's like what Strunk and White say about "to contact". they say, you shouldn't "contact" someone. you should phone, or write, or call on, or telegraph, him |
| 13:48.18 | cahoot | ugly: in such an ugly way I don't dare describe |
| 13:48.42 | peterS | if they'd published their little book a few years later they'd add "email" and "pm", I suppose |
| 13:48.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: ok .. i gave up |
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| 13:49.09 | cahoot | abrotman: yes - I have a strong suspicion the problem were self-inflicted |
| 13:49.16 | abrotman | cahoot: me too :) |
| 13:49.30 | lewis | can anyone advise me on custom-shells? i.e. http://pastebin.com/757576 |
| 13:50.14 | Nei | securing a shell is pretty difficult |
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| 13:50.20 | cahoot | abrotman: well after a depressing saturday the digital sun shines on me today |
| 13:50.24 | dim | cat /etc/modprobe.d/ipw2200 |
| 13:50.26 | dim | install ipw2200 echo 100 > /sys/class/firmware/timeout && /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install ipw2200 $CMDLINE_OPTS |
| 13:50.27 | msoos | BTW, I personally disallow the ICMP echo reply (i.e. ping reply) in my personal firewall (a HW firew.), so that I don't get so many portscans (for portforwarded ports). Do you think that is a bad idea from me? |
| 13:50.31 | dim | it doesn't seem to do the trick |
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| 13:50.47 | abrotman | cahoot: the depressing part is that you spent your saturday night caring about X :) |
| 13:50.58 | dim | that is, sys value is effectively setup, but firmware loading is unsuccessful |
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| 13:55.09 | usoon | both google-earth and nasa's 'world wind' cannot run on Linux. is there anything similar for Linux? |
| 13:55.25 | abrotman | what is world wind? |
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| 13:56.02 | usoon | abrotman: its like google-earth. look it up at nasa's website. |
| 13:56.09 | abrotman | oh |
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| 13:57.18 | usoon | what a pity. all pioneering programmings are still done on Window. |
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| 13:57.47 | abrotman | usoon: i don't know of any .. doesn't mean they don't exist |
| 13:57.53 | slashseed | hi |
| 13:58.19 | usoon | what about the rest here? |
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| 13:58.33 | msoos | answering my own question (from wikipedia): "There are two schools of thought concerning ICMP on the public Internet: those who say it should be largely disabled to enable network 'stealth', and those who say it should be enabled to allow proper Internet diagnostics." |
| 13:58.33 | usoon | slashseed: lo |
| 13:58.46 | zinosat | I get this after authenticating with gdm: "*** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x00011904 ***" |
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| 13:59.19 | abrotman | ack! |
| 13:59.22 | infernix | msoos: paranoids choose stealth, idealists choose diagnostics. truth is somewhere in the middle :) |
| 13:59.45 | abrotman | msoos: you better pick the right one . or we'll kill you |
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| 14:00.00 | jbs | With kisses. |
| 14:00.12 | jlaw | !seen truth |
| 14:00.12 | dpkg | truth <~truth@linuxnazis.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 410d 14h 24m 32s ago, saying: 'thx dondelelcaro i see the java console error is class not found, i used java to create the class file but i think i need to figure out where to tell the server the classpath'. |
| 14:00.19 | jlaw | !-) |
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| 14:00.57 | msoos | Ok, now I am scared :) But since I am an IT security specialist, who is also an idealist, I am really confused :D |
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| 14:01.26 | infernix | msoos: looks like you're the perfect guy to find the proper answer |
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| 14:02.11 | abrotman | msoos: you either enabled the ping so that people can ping your machines and you secure them properly .. or you disable them thinking that "security by obscurity" is the answer and still secure your machine properly |
| 14:02.23 | slashseed | i got a trouble with alsa ,no sound support when after i do apt-distupgrade , that is really evil ,when start-up there cames a err msg :"alsactl restore failed with error message ALSA lib contorl.c:816:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invaild CTL hw:0 ....." ,can anybody help me ? |
| 14:02.43 | msoos | abrotman, yeah. I *hate* security by obscurity, BTW |
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| 14:02.55 | abrotman | msoos: then you enable ping |
| 14:02.57 | asg | msoos: these days, the really good crackers won't have a problem with ICMP off since they will likely use better mapping techniques. The bots will just attack all IPs irrespective of whether they are reachable, pingable, or even exist. |
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| 14:03.28 | msoos | But it helps to eliminate the pain of going through logs of non-stop root attempts by script kiddies |
| 14:03.41 | jbs | msoss: Since there are applications and protocols that are dependent on the correct operation of ICMP, going with the huristic that a system policy should break as little a possible, one should not put arbirary limiits on it. |
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| 14:03.58 | jbs | s/limiits/limits/g |
| 14:03.59 | abrotman | msoos: what kind of attempts ? |
| 14:04.12 | msoos | asg, agreed. But kiddies piss me off :D |
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| 14:04.23 | msoos | root login through ssh |
| 14:04.38 | abrotman | you can use iptables to rate limit |
| 14:04.53 | Nei | I've already asked this on the other side, so forgive my crossposting, but would anyone here maybe happen to know of a reository offering php-pdo-pgsql and/or php 5.1.4 for *etch or sid*? I know about dotdeb but it is only for sarge |
| 14:05.03 | msoos | I use both password + private key verification technique so they don't stand a chance |
| 14:05.03 | paulswm | cahoot: I had to do a bit of tapdancing to recover from xorg 7 upgrade in etch becuase I have a GeForce 7600GT card which is unsupported by the nv driver so I had to pull packages from sid (which are dependent on the non-existent-in debian kernel 2.6.16 and rebuild for 2.6.15, so my Sat was also fun :) |
| 14:05.05 | asg | msoos: they are a nuisance but harmless if your systems are secure. Or you can just automate the inclusion of their ips in your firewall rules |
| 14:05.18 | infernix | msoos: limit ssh access through ip filtering is a no-brainer on the security side of the coin |
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| 14:05.42 | Thug-N-Me | i just tryed to burn dvd data with nautilus and it says " File image creation failed " any ideea what package do i need or something ? |
| 14:06.00 | Thug-N-Me | even k3b gives me the same error |
| 14:06.24 | abrotman | Nei: apt-get.org ? |
| 14:06.28 | msoos | infernix, I don't want to limit the possibility to break it through the use of stealth. I want to limit the strain on the machine + on me reading the logs |
| 14:07.05 | Thug-N-Me | can anyone please help me ? |
| 14:07.25 | msoos | Thug-N-Me, use k3b. It will check for all packages needed and it is a much better DVD-writer. More robust |
| 14:07.32 | jbs | asg: automatically creating firewall rules is a fairly dangerious propisition. Changing the state of the firewall table based upon traffic opens one up to a whole new class of dos attacks. |
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| 14:07.36 | abrotman | he just said it throws an error |
| 14:07.43 | Thug-N-Me | msoos even k3b gives me the same error |
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| 14:08.01 | infernix | msoos: i don't consider restricting ssh access for a limited amount of IPs as stealth. |
| 14:08.19 | jbs | s/state/rules/g |
| 14:08.21 | asg | jbs: it does but can be managed if you are careful. |
| 14:08.26 | slashseed | i got a trouble with alsa ,no sound support when after i do apt-distupgrade ,when start-up there cames a err msg :"alsactl restore failed with error message ALSA lib contorl.c:816:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invaild CTL hw:0 ....." ,can anybody help me ? |
| 14:08.28 | msoos | Thug-N-Me, but k3b does not create an image with default settings! It creates the image on-the-fly. But you might be out of some disk space (it needs some) |
| 14:08.49 | slashseed | could anybody help me plz..... |
| 14:09.02 | Thug-N-Me | no im not out of disk space |
| 14:09.21 | Thug-N-Me | msoos k3b it says " could not determine size of resulting image file " |
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| 14:09.33 | paulswm | Thug-N-Me: you could try command-line growisofs and see what it ways, maybe the error will be a bit more specific |
| 14:09.44 | msoos | Thug-N-Me, what do you want to write? Is it a special fire you want to write to disk? |
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| 14:09.47 | jbs | asg: Unless there is a way of proving firewall rules correct, as one can prove programs correct, there is no such thing as being careful. |
| 14:09.50 | msoos | fire=file |
| 14:10.06 | paulswm | msoos: fire is ok for *burning* a DVD :P |
| 14:10.22 | Thug-N-Me | msoos its a data dvd |
| 14:10.38 | msoos | infernix, sorry, you are right. But I want to reach my machine from anywhere :O |
| 14:10.42 | Nei | abrotman, nothing there :/ |
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| 14:10.57 | Nei | I guess if a package cant be found on apt-get.org, it doesnt exist huh |
| 14:10.57 | abrotman | Nei: well .. it was just a thought |
| 14:11.13 | Nei | yes of course thanks for the idea |
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| 14:12.11 | msoos | Thug-N-Me, well. I can't help really. You need growisofs, by the way. If you are using stable debian, then consider switching to testing only to "apt-get upgrade growisofs" it will help (growisofs broke on me with stable, I needed to use the testing version, too) |
| 14:12.20 | abrotman | Nei: you could always package your own |
| 14:12.28 | abrotman | Nei: btw .. did you play Phantasy Star as a kid ? |
| 14:12.36 | Nei | heh |
| 14:12.51 | abrotman | is that a no ? |
| 14:12.51 | Nei | guess you recognise my nick ;) |
| 14:12.55 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
| 14:13.05 | abrotman | yeah .. we used to play a lot of that in my house |
| 14:13.06 | asg | jbs: in the general case, I'd agree but the simple case of blocking ssh scan bots I'm willing to accept the risk |
| 14:13.16 | paulswm | Thug-N-Me: you are burning a directory to DVD? try 'growisofs -dry-run -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /your/directory' which will do everything except burn the DVD |
| 14:13.20 | Nei | =) |
| 14:13.27 | abrotman | best RPG series .. evar! |
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| 14:13.52 | asg | abrotman: the Gold Box D&D games were the best :p |
| 14:13.54 | slashseed | T_T |
| 14:14.05 | jbs | Isn't providing a proof that a firewall rule set generated by hustristic on traffic will not result in a DOS attack basically the same thing as the Halting Problem? |
| 14:14.14 | Covener_ | abrotman: I bet you were heartless and stripped nei of all her gear before sending her to her death w/ neifirst |
| 14:14.16 | abrotman | asg: for a video game |
| 14:14.25 | abrotman | Covener_: i did not! |
| 14:14.27 | phaedrus44 | how do i list the pid? |
| 14:14.28 | Thug-N-Me | paulswm yes directory ,,, what would that do ?? |
| 14:14.36 | asg | jbs: I didn't say it was provable, just that I was personally willing to accept the risk. Others may choose not to, of course. |
| 14:14.39 | abrotman | but i should have! |
| 14:14.44 | asg | abrotman: yes, the Gold Box D&D games were video games |
| 14:15.00 | abrotman | asg: oh ... those ones .. they weren't as good as Phantasy star |
| 14:15.12 | asg | abrotman: yes they were |
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| 14:15.19 | abrotman | no freaking way! |
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| 14:15.48 | asg | abrotman: this coming from cakebutt and umbrella head? (ad homine abusive) |
| 14:15.55 | paulswm | Thug-N-Me: The command I detailed will do all the steps for burning a dvd expect actually burn it, so you can see if it'll work OK - if it looks OK, remove the '-dry-run' and burn a DVD-RW to test so you don't coaster a DVD-R :) |
| 14:16.02 | jbs | asg: Clear. But is the whole issue in the class of undecidable problems? |
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| 14:16.34 | abrotman | asg: i kick you in the head! |
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| 14:16.45 | Thug-N-Me | paulswm yeah ok thanks you |
| 14:16.53 | asg | jbs: well, there are a finite number of ips and a small well defined set of potentially allowable ips. I'd say that it doesn't belong in the undecidability class. |
| 14:16.56 | paulswm | Thug-N-Me: You're welcome |
| 14:16.58 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 14:17.33 | Covener | Gotta go w/ asg on forgotten realms / dragonalnce vs. phantasy star |
| 14:17.43 | abrotman | no way! |
| 14:17.48 | msoos | paulswm, hehe :) I burned 4 DVD-Rs to hell before I bought a DVD-RW to test the damn thing :D |
| 14:17.59 | msoos | So good advice there, Thug-N-Me , listen to it ;) |
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| 14:18.42 | Covener | I think I read somewhere that the NPCs really did explicitly favor attacking rolph/rudo (the shotgun guys) in those games |
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| 14:18.43 | paulswm | msoos: I keep a stash of DVD-RWs, and I test all video DVD burns on DVD-RW first :) |
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| 14:19.09 | msoos | :D |
| 14:19.26 | abrotman | Covener: that's ok .. i don't mind :) |
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| 14:19.46 | paulswm | msoos: The ONE time I didn't bother with that, I burned a DVD-R and then realized I'd made an error in the top-level menu :) |
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| 14:21.13 | phaedrus44 | i have vlc launched ...its frozen and i cant find it in ps aux how do i kill it? |
| 14:21.24 | msoos | paulswm, you know: Shit happens :D |
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| 14:21.40 | Thug-N-Me | paulswm does this look ok ? http://pastebin.com/757640 |
| 14:22.05 | msoos | phaedrus44, it is there. Do this: "ps ax | grep vlc" |
| 14:22.36 | phaedrus44 | ok thanks |
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| 14:22.46 | msoos | phaedrus44, you found it? |
| 14:23.15 | infernix | msoos: there is a way to enable ssh access from anywhere by first opening a conection to another port which will add you to the access list. that obviously has its drawbacks but might work in your case. |
| 14:23.23 | Thug-N-Me | paulswm anything ? |
| 14:23.25 | phaedrus44 | yeah thanks a million msoos |
| 14:23.40 | phaedrus44 | what does grep mean? |
| 14:23.44 | paulswm | Thug-N-Me: I don't get that message because I don't have the same locale settings you do, but it looks like growisofs is happy otherwise |
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| 14:24.00 | msoos | phaedrus44, use this "grep" thing all the time. Saves a lot of time and effort. Just repace vls with mozilla, for instance! |
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| 14:24.23 | msoos | infernix, good idea, will consider ;) |
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| 14:24.39 | Thug-N-Me | paulswm how do i tell growisofs at what speed to burn the dvd ? |
| 14:24.39 | asg | phaedrus44: grep means g/re/p (or global regular expression print) |
| 14:24.55 | grapefru1t | how can I make aptitude install the Suggested packages? |
| 14:24.55 | ThomasPorter | How do you install an rpm on debian? rpm doesn't work :S |
| 14:25.24 | ThomasPorter | Grapefru1t, your a genious. |
| 14:25.24 | jbs | rpm2cpio |
| 14:25.27 | phaedrus44 | thanks asg |
| 14:25.32 | ThomasPorter | you just gave me a clue on what to do :p |
| 14:25.35 | phaedrus44 | i dont get it...have to read |
| 14:25.36 | gnufan | ThomasPorter: generally you don't have to -- check also "alient" |
| 14:25.40 | paulswm | phaedrus44: 'grep' stands for the editor command which it simulates: g/re/p (global regular expression print) |
| 14:25.43 | gnufan | ThomasPorter: oops -- alien |
| 14:25.44 | msoos | phaedrus44, are you using en_US or some very akward language setting? It could mess up things (like formatting 2.5 as 2,5 with prinf() command from libc) |
| 14:25.50 | grapefru1t | ThomasPorter: ...? |
| 14:26.00 | phaedrus44 | en_US |
| 14:26.07 | grapefru1t | lol |
| 14:26.36 | msoos | grapefru1t, "man apt-get" |
| 14:26.38 | asg | "I have a natural revulsion to any operating system that shows so little planning as to have to name all of its commands after digestive noises (awk, grep, fsck, nroff)" -- unknown |
| 14:26.49 | grapefru1t | msoos: i have, I cant find anything in there about suggested packages |
| 14:26.50 | ThomasPorter | Your reminded me apt-get is around :p |
| 14:26.57 | ThomasPorter | how do you search apt-get?: |
| 14:27.04 | jbs | rpm2cpio rpm-1.1-1.i386.rpm | cpio -i |
| 14:27.07 | asg | ThomasPorter: apt-cache search <foo> |
| 14:27.08 | jbs | or somthing like that |
| 14:27.39 | msoos | grapefru1t, sorry, you are right. Even dpkg doesn't know it :( |
| 14:27.51 | grapefru1t | msoos: i searched manpages for aptitude and there's a -r option which installed _recommended_ packages, but those are different from suggested |
| 14:27.56 | msoos | ThomasPorter, apt-search |
| 14:27.59 | gnufan | !rpm |
| 14:27.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, rpm is revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison method, or robot power ... |
| 14:28.16 | msoos | apt-cache sorry |
| 14:28.28 | ThomasPorter | Thanks mate |
| 14:28.38 | msoos | apt-cache find "something" |
| 14:28.59 | ThomasPorter | msoos, search worked perfectly? |
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| 14:29.09 | gnufan | ThomasPorter: what on earth did you find packaged as an rpm but not as a deb? |
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| 14:29.27 | msoos | gnufan, good question there :D |
| 14:29.28 | ThomasPorter | gnufan, mod_layout |
| 14:29.51 | ThomasPorter | for apache |
| 14:30.09 | asg | ThomasPorter: apt-cache search apache |
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| 14:30.29 | DaBlade | What's the name of that program that one uses to test the graphics framerate where you see three gears rotating again? |
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| 14:30.40 | DaBlade | I haven't used it in ages and forgot it's name. lol |
| 14:30.42 | msoos | glxgears |
| 14:30.43 | asg | DaBlade: glxgears |
| 14:30.44 | gnufan | ThomasPorter: you mean like libapache-mod-layout and libapache2-mod-layout ? |
| 14:30.49 | DaBlade | asg: That's it, thanks |
| 14:30.53 | asg | DaBlade: you're welcome |
| 14:31.38 | ThomasPorter | gnufan, thats the one! |
| 14:31.41 | grapefru1t | anyone know how I can make aptitude get _suggested_ packages? |
| 14:31.51 | ThomasPorter | gnu, installed. Just need to figure out how to configure it : |
| 14:32.18 | gnufan | ThomasPorter: my guess is "a2enmod" ;) |
| 14:32.32 | gnufan | ThomasPorter: assuming you use apache2 |
| 14:32.44 | ThomasPorter | gnufan, nope 1.3 ;) |
| 14:32.54 | ThomasPorter | I think. |
| 14:32.55 | gnufan | ThomasPorter: why 1.3 -- you like the dark ages ;) |
| 14:32.56 | ThomasPorter | I'm not sure. |
| 14:33.04 | ThomasPorter | Let me check. |
| 14:33.06 | ThomasPorter | I really shoudl know. |
| 14:33.34 | ThomasPorter | Apache/1.3.33 |
| 14:33.36 | nightw0lf | hi, does anyone here use turboprint? |
| 14:33.37 | ThomasPorter | Sure am |
| 14:34.10 | pt | i have a problem with the soundcard, although i can modprobe the module. ...the volume control complains about the alsa source, while when i start xmms, it starts playing the songs without complaining anything except no-sound, what does it mean? |
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| 14:35.04 | cahoot | pt: probably best run alsaconf to set things up |
| 14:35.05 | gnufan | ThomasPorter: I plead ignorance of Apache1 -- since apache2 was already in sarge, I never saw the point in using the older version. |
| 14:35.25 | msoos | pt, 'complains about alsa source' - can you expand that bit? |
| 14:35.41 | asg | gnufan: 1.3 is still considered more stable by some as well as being more mature with some modules. |
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| 14:35.55 | pt | cahoot : alsaconf = how ? |
| 14:36.01 | gnufan | asg: I know, and some people still use VMS ;) |
| 14:36.10 | asg | gnufan: indeed |
| 14:36.23 | asg | gnufan: thankfully, I don't. |
| 14:36.27 | cahoot | pt: install alsa-utils (IIRC) |
| 14:36.33 | pt | asg : how can we test the mdoule = |
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| 14:36.42 | pt | cahoot : okie. brb.. |
| 14:37.15 | lewis | can someone help me with rsync only scripts/shells. When I reference the script in /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys, in the 'command=/home/user/shell' - it works fine. If I reference it in /etc/passwd as their shell - it doesn't work. Any ideas? |
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| 14:38.07 | cahoot | pt: might be alsa-tools - no matter you want both |
| 14:39.21 | asg | lewis: if you are using ssh for this, try /msg dpkg debug sshd as well as checking your /var/log/auth.log for clues. |
| 14:39.35 | gnufan | asg: I have an apache developer living down the road who rolls his eye when I tell him what version of Apache2 I use -- guess it is all a matter of perspective |
| 14:39.36 | paulswm | Thug-N-Me: sorry missed your question: you shouldn't have to, it should be able to figure it out, but 'man growisofs' will tell you how |
| 14:40.01 | asg | gnufan: it is. If it works for you and you are comfortable, by all means use it. |
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| 14:41.36 | lewis | asg: anything wrong with this as a user's shell? http://pastebin.com/757576 (in /etc/passwd) |
| 14:41.53 | msoos | asg, this dpkg robot... who wrote it and how? It is fairly intelligent |
| 14:42.06 | pt | cahoot : i got it. the problem starts from i cannot find xine packages from the testing version...except the gxine & pluggin, then i tried with mplay from apt ...but i have the problem to configure the gui. blah ..blah..then i tried to upgrade some modules, then i lost my X!! Then, i tried with another partition with knoppix, things seems to work fine except the sound which issue the error after installation. ...this is a story... |
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| 14:42.52 | gnufan | asg: he's one of the ones responsible for moving a load of database connectivity stuff into APR, so that apache can provide you your database connections without needless duplication, or opening of databases too often in cgi, or other scripts. All very scary, but on the upside he seems to know what he is doing. |
| 14:42.55 | asg | lewis: oh, I'd expect that if you were using that as the shell, the SSH_ var may not be populated. Try using logger(1) to echo the variable to syslog so you can see. |
| 14:43.14 | asg | msoos: it's a blootbot. dpkg is currently run by dondelelcaro who is maintaining it. |
| 14:43.35 | asg | gnufan: interesting. |
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| 14:44.00 | Thug-N-Me | paulswm how do i put more directoryes from diff. location ? |
| 14:44.34 | asg | msoos: you can get more information from /topic #debian-bots |
| 14:44.36 | lewis | asg: the weird thing is, I'm convinced that it was working a few weeks ago - bah |
| 14:44.52 | cahoot | pt: looks to me sound is a minor problem atm |
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| 14:45.14 | grapefru1t | anyone know how I can get the _suggested_ packages with aptitude, when I try to install something |
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| 14:45.20 | pt | cahoot : the sound card which listed with alsaconf doesn't contain the one I have. ... in this case, can we just fetch the compiled module from the apt? |
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| 14:45.36 | asg | lewis: has something been updated recently? |
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| 14:46.00 | cahoot | pt: would depend on what kernel you use |
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| 14:46.36 | cahoot | pt: and - is this a debian system? |
| 14:46.44 | pt | cahoot : yes , it is. |
| 14:46.54 | lewis | nope - both machines are debian sarge. I'm using authorized keys to logon to the system. |
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| 14:47.06 | paulswm | Thug-N-Me: your data DVD has to have a directory tree structure, so you can create your source directory my linking other directories in |
| 14:47.13 | paulswm | s/my/by/ |
| 14:47.13 | r121 | has anyone noticed that Testing's latest Xorg dies after installing the nvidia driver? |
| 14:47.25 | cahoot | pt: what kernel - 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 14:47.31 | pt | cahoot : i just installed from knoppix, should i look up the compiled version? 2.6.12. |
| 14:47.43 | pipeline | pt: Install real debian. |
| 14:47.49 | pt | cahoot : i used oss before this. |
| 14:47.58 | cahoot | pt: hm - you did a hd install of knoppix? |
| 14:48.07 | pt | pipeline : nope. |
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| 14:48.14 | pt | cahoot; yes. |
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| 14:48.36 | cahoot | pt: sorry then all bets are off |
| 14:48.58 | Thug-N-Me | paulswm i want to burn directorys like /mnt/movies/a and /mnt/movies/b and /mnt/movies/c all on the same data dvd |
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| 14:49.01 | pt | pipeline : evening testing version of debain doesnt contain the xine-ui, i dont know why. |
| 14:49.19 | nurv | hi plp I have a question. I'm with debian testing/unstable and use iptables az firewall. But everytime after I reboot the configuration was lost. How can I tell iptables to load policies at boot time? Please help |
| 14:49.20 | pt | cahoot: i see no different . |
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| 14:49.41 | asg | nurv: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian{.gz} |
| 14:49.56 | adggg | I just installed debian for the first time in my life!!! But something went wrong but can't figure out how to fix... I'm getting a blinking prompt on the screen now. What do I do now? |
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| 14:50.38 | asg | grapefru1t: have you googled? |
| 14:50.43 | nurv | asg, iptables-save > /usr/share/doc/iptables/ .. ? |
| 14:51.14 | pipeline | pt: Don't fuck with knoppix, install mainline debian and come back. Until then, no one will be able to help you. Period. |
| 14:51.15 | grapefru1t | asg: no I have not lol |
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| 14:51.41 | asg | nurv: no, read the Debian README for iptables as it talks about the number of different ways you can do what you are trying to do. |
| 14:51.54 | paulswm | Thug-N-Me: burn /mnt/movies, then, or do something like 'mkdir ~/dvd;cd ~/dvd;ln -s /mnt/movies/[abc] .' then burn ~/dvd |
| 14:52.13 | nurv | asg, thanks for the advice |
| 14:52.19 | grapefru1t | what would you guys reccomend for a CLI browser |
| 14:52.27 | streuner | links |
| 14:52.35 | streuner | w3m or lynx |
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| 14:52.39 | asg | nurv: you're welcome |
| 14:52.49 | Thug-N-Me | paulswm ok thanks man |
| 14:52.53 | adggg | can someone please help |
| 14:52.59 | paulswm | Thug-N-Me: You're wlecome :) |
| 14:53.10 | Maximilian | hey, have one question .. why are the modules (mysql.so & gd.so) not in /usr/lib/php4/apache2 but in /usr/lib/php4/20020429 < in all the howtos i have red the extensions are in php4/apache2 < i have installed all that with apt-get |
| 14:53.22 | asg | adggg: is there any text on the screen or just complete darkness and a blinking cursor? |
| 14:54.23 | adggg | asg: I got some warning messages during bootup like "invalid IO or IRQ parameters" and "mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" |
| 14:54.33 | adggg | just some nags like that on the screen |
| 14:54.44 | asg | adggg: and are you now sitting at a promp that says 'Login: '? |
| 14:54.59 | adggg | LOL, I wish! No, it's a blinking cursor |
| 14:55.22 | adggg | what do I do now? |
| 14:55.41 | asg | adggg: did you install X? (The X Window System) |
| 14:55.50 | asg | adggg: it may not have been configured correctly causing the issue. |
| 14:56.21 | adggg | asg: I didn't do anything, I just used the minimal install from a CD + ethernet |
| 14:56.43 | asg | adggg: okay, do you get a prompt if you type 'CTRL+ALT+F1' or 'CTRL+ALT+F2' ? |
| 14:56.49 | adggg | then set up partition, and added the GRUB boot |
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| 14:57.27 | adggg | asg: 'CTRL+ALT+F1' or 'CTRL+ALT+F2' doesn't do anything |
| 14:57.38 | asg | adggg: okay, are the message you mentioned earlier still on the screen? |
| 14:57.56 | adggg | some of the messages are still on the screen, yeah |
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| 14:58.03 | asg | adggg: what's the last one say? |
| 14:58.25 | adggg | last one is the one about the mouse |
| 14:58.29 | adggg | "mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" |
| 14:58.52 | asg | adggg: okay, try booting it with the mouse unplugged and see if you get to the 'Login: ' prompt. |
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| 14:59.37 | adggg | disconnecting the mouse, gave me a warning on the screen: usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:1d.1-1 address 2 |
| 14:59.43 | jlaw | have you ever seen what happens to a laptop display with sis630m chipset when compiling vga framebuffer support into the kernel?-) |
| 14:59.49 | adggg | how do I reboot? |
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| 14:59.56 | asg | adggg: CTRL+ALT+DEL |
| 15:00.01 | Gnurdux | The following packages will be REMOVED |
| 15:00.01 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.01 | Gnurdux | ... why is it removing tightvncserver> |
| 15:00.10 | jlaw | adgg: reboot or shutdown -r now |
| 15:00.18 | adggg | asg: CTRL+ALT+DEL doesn't work |
| 15:00.19 | phaedrus44 | i apt-get install sudo and no i am looking for the sudoers file any ideas where that is? |
| 15:00.29 | asg | adggg: if that doesn't work, your keyboard is likely the issue. You'll need to power cycle the box |
| 15:00.32 | adggg | asg: do I have to unplug the box, or powroff |
| 15:00.45 | asg | adggg: is it a usb keyboard? |
| 15:00.53 | adggg | it's a HP laptop |
| 15:00.56 | asg | oh |
| 15:01.05 | adggg | HP Pavilion dv1000 |
| 15:01.19 | cahoot | phaedrus44: I think you should just run 'visudo' |
| 15:01.22 | asg | adggg: you might also check 'tuxmobile.org' for that model to see if there are any special things you need to do. |
| 15:01.24 | jlaw | adggg: can you type anything or does just ctrl+alt+del not work? |
| 15:01.24 | msoos | adggg, and what led to the problem of lockup? |
| 15:01.34 | phaedrus44 | cahoot wuss that ? |
| 15:01.37 | adggg | jlaw: yes, I can type |
| 15:01.47 | cahoot | phaedrus44: the tool for the job |
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| 15:01.53 | jlaw | adggg: then type in console: reboot |
| 15:01.58 | msoos | adggg, then just kill the app that made the lockup |
| 15:02.01 | adggg | msoos: don't know what led to the problem, still doing install, first bootup |
| 15:02.03 | gnufan | Gnurdux: what did you type -- my guess is tightvncserver depends on the x packages being remove. |
| 15:02.05 | msoos | adggg, linux rarely needs to be rebooted!! |
| 15:02.09 | jlaw | adggg, or: shutdown -r now |
| 15:02.12 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 15:02.17 | asg | jlaw: he hasn't logged in yet |
| 15:02.22 | adggg | jlaw: reboot >> no effect |
| 15:02.22 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.34 | msoos | ohh, first install, then reboot! |
| 15:02.37 | jlaw | asg, oh o_O |
| 15:02.37 | cahoot | phaedrus44: visudo - edit the sudoers file - straight from the man page |
| 15:02.46 | adggg | jlaw: shutdown -r >> no effect |
| 15:02.50 | Gnurdux | yeah, it depends on xserver-common, and thats being removed |
| 15:02.56 | asg | adggg: try 'CTRL+C' |
| 15:02.59 | phaedrus44 | ah..ok |
| 15:03.02 | msoos | adggg, it's hard to figure out, I know, but typing: 'reboot' at the console reboots the macine |
| 15:03.07 | phaedrus44 | thanks cahooyt |
| 15:03.11 | asg | msoos: he isn't logged in yet |
| 15:03.13 | phaedrus44 | cahoot : ) |
| 15:03.15 | adggg | 'CTRL+C' >>> no effect |
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| 15:03.17 | msoos | asg ohh!!! |
| 15:03.32 | eddiecheng | i have 2 harddisk how come the other harddisk doesnt show up ? |
| 15:03.39 | eddiecheng | i type fdisk -l nothing happaned |
| 15:03.42 | adggg | msoos: I'm slow, but not that slow ;) |
| 15:03.43 | msoos | then type in "root" as user, and the password that you typed in when it asked tyou |
| 15:03.49 | asg | msoos: he's half way through the boot process and it is locked up in some fashion. |
| 15:04.18 | jlaw | eddiechend: try cfdisk ... it's a bit more comfortable |
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| 15:04.35 | phaedrus44 | sweet nano /etc/sudoers |
| 15:04.36 | msoos | oh damn |
| 15:04.38 | msoos | that's hard |
| 15:05.03 | jlaw | asg: in which step does it hand? |
| 15:05.10 | jlaw | hang |
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| 15:05.41 | adggg | jlaw: it hangs when it system boots up for the first time during install |
| 15:05.48 | phaedrus44 | cahoot: so do i just add users? |
| 15:06.11 | jlaw | adggg: any error message? where exactly does it hang? |
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| 15:06.23 | adggg | jlaw: I got a series of messages on the screen, and then it stopped and gave me a blinking cursor |
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| 15:06.37 | gnufan | adggg: try booting with the "noacpi" option is the suggestion for a similar but fixed problem. Although does sound like the hardware isn't well supported. Did you choose 2.6 kernel during install? |
| 15:06.38 | adggg | jlaw: there were a lot of error messages |
| 15:06.56 | jlaw | adggg: may you give us some of them? |
| 15:07.12 | jlaw | adggg: something like VFS error? |
| 15:07.13 | adggg | jlaw: PS2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 15:07.16 | MatBoy | After a install of Etch I have installed the nvidia-drivers for my nvidiacard. I always get problems with starting X with a new kernel because of missing nvidia-sources in Etch (they are taken out as you know) What can I do to run it normal as it normally does without this Nvidia stuff ? |
| 15:07.25 | adggg | hid-core.c USB HID support drivers |
| 15:07.33 | cahoot | phaedrus44: man sudoers has an example section |
| 15:07.40 | adggg | hw_random: can't be loaded |
| 15:07.43 | jlaw | adggg: what is the last line shown, before it hangs? |
| 15:07.43 | eddiecheng | jlaw : it only shows one hdd now . when i install debian i did saw master and slave |
| 15:07.50 | adggg | missing kernel or user mode driver hw_random |
| 15:08.06 | adggg | jlaw: last line was the one for the mouse |
| 15:08.16 | adggg | "PS2 mouse device common for all mice" |
| 15:08.32 | jlaw | adggg ... that's interesting^^ |
| 15:08.39 | cahoot | phaedrus44: visudo will tell if you do syntax errors |
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| 15:08.57 | adggg | gnufan: didn't choose any kernel during install, I used the minimal install from a CD |
| 15:08.57 | gnufan | adggg: do you have a PS/2 mouse around? |
| 15:08.59 | jlaw | adggg: you said it's a laptop!? |
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| 15:09.07 | adggg | jlaw: it is a laptop |
| 15:09.20 | adggg | jlaw: a HP Pavilion dv1000, to be exact |
| 15:09.40 | jlaw | gnufan: if it's a laptop the touchpad will propably work over ps2 bus |
| 15:09.52 | adggg | gnufan, yes, maybe I have a PS/2 mouse in the attic, but that won't connect to this laptop |
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| 15:10.19 | jlaw | adggg: when booting from the install cd, did you have a look for compatibillity options? |
| 15:10.38 | jlaw | adggg: they are shown when pressing F6 to F8 |
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| 15:10.57 | adggg | I didn't see any compatibility options, but maybe that was my oversight |
| 15:11.29 | jlaw | adggg, they are just shown when pressing F keys |
| 15:11.36 | VolVE | Ok, I'm in the Sarge installer and I'm adding apt sources and when it goes to test ftp.rutgers.edu it sits there, so obviously rutgers is down right now, but Ctrl-C isn't getting me back to the selection menu... any ideas people? :-/ |
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| 15:11.54 | adggg | pressing the F keys right now, give me a lot of gibberish on the screen |
| 15:12.13 | jlaw | adggg ... but i don't think it will solve your problem ... you could try another kernel |
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| 15:12.37 | adggg | which kernel? You mean debian doesn't like my laptop? |
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| 15:13.05 | jlaw | adggg ... -.- i ment pressing F keys when you are in the boot screen of the install cd |
| 15:13.27 | adggg | jlaw: am I too late to do that now? |
| 15:13.50 | adggg | jlaw, can I shut off the power & reboot? |
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| 15:13.53 | jlaw | adggg, dunno ... but maybe you need something special precompiled in the kernel to get it running ... yes to latenow |
| 15:14.10 | grapefru1t | is there a guide for installing nvidia drivers on debian? |
| 15:14.17 | jlaw | adggg, don't now if you can ... i could !-) |
| 15:14.39 | adggg | Of course I can do that, but will it help? |
| 15:14.43 | asg | grapefru1t: /msg dpkg nvidia oneliner |
| 15:14.49 | jlaw | adggg, probably you just have to press the power button for some seconds in order to reboot |
| 15:14.49 | gnufan | adggg: if it is the kernel -- he means Linux doesn't like your laptop -- if it makes you feel better my first google for the model you have gave me an XP user having USB trouble with that laptop. Try "noacpi" as a boot option to the kernel at boot time seems to be a plausible try, or reinstall using the "2.6" kernel -- probably type linux26 where you just hit "enter" or typed "linux" at the boot prompt. |
| 15:14.51 | grapefru1t | asg: thank you |
| 15:14.52 | adggg | I need to know what to do |
| 15:15.18 | adggg | jlaw: of course, that will reboot it, but when it reboots I will just get the same error messages again (been there, done that) |
| 15:15.18 | asg | gnufan: the installer kernel obviously had no issues since he made it fully through the install. |
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| 15:15.45 | asg | adggg: does grub list a 'Safe Mode' boot option. If so, try that and see if it will get you to single user mode |
| 15:15.50 | jlaw | adggg, what have you used for install? net install cd? 2 dvds? |
| 15:15.54 | gnufan | adggg: is this a sarge (stable) install? |
| 15:16.01 | adggg | jlaw: net install CD |
| 15:16.05 | grapefru1t | asg: lol that really is a oneliner |
| 15:16.18 | adggg | asg: good question, I can check & see what options Grub gives me |
| 15:16.34 | adggg | gnufan: yes, this is sarge, net install |
| 15:16.37 | jlaw | adggg, it will have installed a precompiled 2.4.x kernel ... try to run it with 2.6.x |
| 15:16.51 | asg | adggg: if not, you can always highligh the kernel, press 'e', add 'single' to the end of the line, hit 'enter' and then 'b' to boot. |
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| 15:17.09 | asg | grapefru1t: indeed it is |
| 15:17.16 | lewis | asg: I found someone else with the same problem as me, but no answer: http://marc2.theaimsgroup.com/?l=secure-shell&m=111886684107254&w=2 |
| 15:17.17 | adggg | jlaw: how do I run it with 2.6.x??? |
| 15:17.29 | jlaw | adggg, when it boots from cd do not just press enter, instead type "linux26" and then enter |
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| 15:17.45 | grapefru1t | asg: should I read the wiki or should I just do the long command? |
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| 15:17.49 | adggg | asg: when do I do these steps, exactly? "highligh the kernel, press 'e', add 'single' to the end of the line, hit 'enter' and then 'b' to boot" ???? |
| 15:17.56 | asg | grapefru1t: do both |
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| 15:18.06 | grapefru1t | asg: ok thank you :) |
| 15:18.16 | asg | adggg: yes. The instructions are also available in the text at the top of the grub window |
| 15:18.43 | gnufan | lewis: not sure -- but you check the log files carefully after it failed I take it? I've only done that sort of thing with the "scponly" shell. |
| 15:18.45 | adggg | jlaw: your linux26 suggestion applies to doing the install all over again from the beginning? |
| 15:18.59 | jlaw | adggg, you got it |
| 15:19.10 | bulio | how can I mount an ntfs filesystem, and let all the users read from it? |
| 15:19.12 | adggg | jlaw: thanks, coolness |
| 15:19.47 | jlaw | adggg, you may also use your cd to boot into the existing system and then install another kernel |
| 15:19.53 | lewis | gnufan: I can't see anything in auth.log about it - is $SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND set if used as a shell, instead of a forced command? |
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| 15:20.24 | jlaw | adggg, regarding that you have just installed therer would be no loss of data when installing again ... and it's the more simple option |
| 15:20.43 | adggg | I can boot into RECOVERY MODE << trying that now |
| 15:21.04 | jlaw | adggg, i think it will create the same error |
| 15:21.07 | gnufan | lewis: don't know I'm afraid. |
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| 15:22.52 | adggg | jlaw: well, I didn't get the mouse error this time (mouse was unplugged), but all the other errors were the same |
| 15:23.39 | adggg | jlaw: how do use CD to boot into existing system & install another kernel? |
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| 15:24.50 | adggg | okay, I see it, instead of ENTER to boot: I type linux26, correct???? |
| 15:25.09 | nkirc | adggg you mean to rescue it, or to shell and chroot it? |
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| 15:25.22 | lewis | with SSH keys, I change my shell from /bin/bash to /root/test, and when I login, it asks for a password now. /root/test contains #!/bin/sh and exec $SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND |
| 15:25.29 | adggg | nkirc, the question is a little above me |
| 15:25.43 | adggg | I am trying to install debian onto a HP laptop << first time installer |
| 15:26.03 | paulswm | bulio: man mount, look under Mount options for ntfs, specifically umask |
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| 15:26.08 | jlaw | adggg, correct ... type "linux26" to install with 2.6.x kernel |
| 15:26.10 | adggg | I am using netinstall from CD, but got a lot of error messages first time around |
| 15:26.13 | BlackBishop | hi all :) |
| 15:26.22 | BlackBishop | anyone here good with bandwidth limiting :) |
| 15:26.28 | BlackBishop | I need a lil' help with my script .. |
| 15:26.29 | nkirc | adggg what kinds of error messages ? |
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| 15:26.35 | adggg | jlaw: will doing that start the whole reinstall process again from scratch??? |
| 15:26.47 | nkirc | adggg does the install you installed, boot ? and it may be easiest to just install from scratch |
| 15:26.50 | adggg | nkirc: errors complaining about hardware |
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| 15:26.56 | jlaw | adggg, maybe you some compatibillity options compiled into the kernel ... but that is a bit difficult, especially when installing first time |
| 15:27.03 | nkirc | adggg was it complaining about hardware you needed? |
| 15:27.09 | nkirc | adggg or hardware you didnt have? |
| 15:27.19 | adggg | nkirc: it's a laptop, so yes, it's hardware I need |
| 15:27.20 | jlaw | adggg, yes it will do it from scratch |
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| 15:27.28 | adggg | okay, that means I |
| 15:27.29 | nkirc | adggg definitely start it over then.. |
| 15:27.49 | adggg | that means I've got to log out, and connect the ethernet to the laptop |
| 15:27.54 | cmorgan | how can i fetch the xorg source that was used to build 'xorg'? i have a xorg driver that requires xorg source to compile against |
| 15:27.59 | jlaw | adggg, may you tell me the exact model you have? |
| 15:28.00 | yang | I have these packages installed: gcc-4.0, gcc-4.0-base, gcc-4.1-base, libgcc - if i try to remove ANY of those it says the system can get broken... |
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| 15:28.06 | adggg | anything else special I should no or do??? |
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| 15:28.11 | yang | so how do i remove compiler |
| 15:28.13 | nkirc | or you could just go to /usr/src/linux if it booted, and make menuconfig .. if you know what you want |
| 15:28.18 | adggg | jlaw: HP Pavilion dv1000 |
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| 15:28.25 | abrotman | cmorgan: you probably just need headers |
| 15:28.26 | BlackBishop | http://pastebin.com/757124 anyone sees anything wrong in this bwidth limiting script ? |
| 15:28.47 | jlaw | adggg, go through the F keys and have a look for compatibillity options fitting your model/manufacturer |
| 15:28.59 | jlaw | wait a sec, brb |
| 15:29.00 | adggg | jlaw: when do hit the F keys? |
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| 15:29.04 | abrotman | cmorgan: what's the error you get when trying to build them ? |
| 15:29.25 | cmorgan | abrotman: the driver is asking me to run 'xmkmf /PATH_TO_X_SOURCE/' |
| 15:29.37 | cmorgan | abrotman: when i run 'make' in its driver directory |
| 15:29.48 | abrotman | what driver is this ? |
| 15:29.51 | jlaw | adggg, when you're in the starting setup right after booting from the cd |
| 15:30.31 | cmorgan | abrotman: the ivtv driver. its a framebuffer driver for a video capture card |
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| 15:30.37 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:30.45 | BlackBishop | anyone ? |
| 15:30.54 | abrotman | !tell cmorgan about source |
| 15:31.02 | adggg | okay, thanks for the help jlaw and everyone else... wish me luck |
| 15:31.05 | CountZ | I have a nice question - my /tmp is mounted noexec but apt-get install sometimes tries to run scripts from that directory, how can I tell apt which tmp directory to use? |
| 15:31.11 | cmorgan | abrotman: i tried using the built in ivtv-fb driver but X crashes on startup with that framebuffer, very odd |
| 15:31.35 | tdn | When I create new users on my system their home dirs are world readable. How do I set the home dirs of each existing AND new users to be readable only by the user who owns it? |
| 15:31.38 | abrotman | CountZ: why is /tmp/ noexec ? |
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| 15:31.42 | roo9 | no more debian :( |
| 15:31.45 | roo9 | on here |
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| 15:31.59 | nkirc | roo9 i would love debian on here.. :/ |
| 15:32.01 | CountZ | abrotman: to thwart script kiddies who upload scripts to /tmp and manage to run them through possible exploits |
| 15:32.01 | blondie | umm does iptables port forwarding only work with NAT? |
| 15:32.30 | infernix | blondie: afaik, yep. |
| 15:32.30 | abrotman | CountZ: eh ... ok |
| 15:32.44 | blondie | hm |
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| 15:33.07 | nkirc | roo9 you can install it on my machine if you miss it that much.. |
| 15:33.15 | abrotman | CountZ: man apt-get .. or man apt-preferences .. to see if you can set it .. but i suspect it may be hardcoded to /tmp/ |
| 15:33.23 | blondie | I want to port forward from one network to another; I could use ssh but it make all clients appear to have the same IP |
| 15:33.28 | CountZ | abrotman: thanks, checking |
| 15:33.29 | roo9 | nkirc: i mean debian leaving freenode for otfc |
| 15:33.36 | roo9 | oftc |
| 15:33.39 | roo9 | even |
| 15:33.50 | abrotman | roo9: this channel will continue to exist for some time |
| 15:33.50 | infernix | blondie: if you want the original IPs you will *have* to use NAT or routing |
| 15:33.50 | blondie | roo9: well you're wrong |
| 15:33.53 | nkirc | roo9 of.. tc ? |
| 15:34.00 | roo9 | abrotman: i'm sure, but... |
| 15:34.01 | CountZ | abrotman: no such thing apt-preferences |
| 15:34.07 | abrotman | but what? |
| 15:34.11 | nkirc | roo9 gosh i only ever use freenode, i forgot that dalnet even existed.. and my isp used to be a hub for them |
| 15:34.28 | abrotman | CountZ: erm .. yeah .. that's not it :) |
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| 15:34.36 | abrotman | man apt.conf :) |
| 15:34.42 | nkirc | i wonder what i'll do .. maybe i could install a second irc client or something .. in case i miss debian |
| 15:35.04 | CountZ | abrotman: ok i'm already reading that one |
| 15:35.05 | abrotman | CountZ: or man apt_preferences |
| 15:35.24 | abrotman | CountZ: but i still doubt you can change it |
| 15:35.33 | paulswm | I was just going to say s/-/_/ |
| 15:35.45 | infernix | 186 people on OFTC, 775 in here. |
| 15:35.59 | Maximilian | hey, have one question .. why are the modules (mysql.so & gd.so) not in /usr/lib/php4/apache2 but in /usr/lib/php4/20020429 < in all the howtos i have red the extensions are in php4/apache2 < i have installed all that with apt-get |
| 15:36.28 | paulswm | infernix: but a lot of ppl in here never log out, hence they will stay here |
| 15:36.35 | abrotman | Maximilian: probably some debian-specific thing |
| 15:37.01 | infernix | paulswm: more interesting figures would show how many of the 775 people in here actually idle 24/7 :) |
| 15:37.02 | Maximilian | so it's normal? |
| 15:37.16 | abrotman | i would imagine so |
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| 15:38.06 | dragan | i am missing a "cc" comand in etch, what do i install ?? |
| 15:38.29 | abrotman | !b-e dragan |
| 15:38.29 | dpkg | dragan: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 15:39.04 | CountZ | ok I do not see a way to change it from /tmp to something else... |
| 15:39.05 | CountZ | that sucks. |
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| 15:39.13 | crys | topic |
| 15:39.16 | infernix | CountZ: hardened-php.net |
| 15:39.40 | CountZ | infernix: thanks |
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| 15:40.09 | infernix | fix the problem where it occurs is always the better solution |
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| 15:40.21 | abrotman | CountZ: perhaps contact the apt maintainer |
| 15:40.23 | abrotman | !maint apt |
| 15:40.51 | CountZ | abrotman: I assumed he had hundreds of such requests over time.. |
| 15:40.53 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 15:40.54 | dpkg | hello |
| 15:41.00 | abrotman | CountZ: it's a legit question .. |
| 15:41.01 | CountZ | In general I feel bad bugging other devs |
| 15:41.08 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
| 15:41.13 | CountZ | true |
| 15:41.20 | CountZ | !maint apt |
| 15:41.26 | CountZ | no answer :) |
| 15:41.31 | abrotman | i'm sure the bot is thinking |
| 15:41.33 | abrotman | or dying |
| 15:41.39 | CountZ | !maint apt-get |
| 15:41.45 | abrotman | that's not a package |
| 15:41.51 | CountZ | ok |
| 15:41.55 | jlaw | !think |
| 15:41.55 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 15:41.58 | jako | Excuse me, I know it could be a little bit out of topic, but would you mind telling me some good laptots who works best with debian? I can spend about 1000 Euro. I'd prefer a mac, but I don't know how it works with debian. |
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| 15:42.31 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 15:42.32 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 15:43.29 | jako | Thanks. Any personal prefences? |
| 15:43.43 | abrotman | i don't know what a euro equals in USD |
| 15:43.44 | jlaw | jako, don't take gericom |
| 15:43.59 | jako | abrotman, almost the same. |
| 15:44.02 | jlaw | jako, don't take any sis chipsets |
| 15:44.03 | blondie | qwhat asdsadasdsadsad |
| 15:44.06 | abrotman | HP ? |
| 15:44.25 | blondie | :O |
| 15:44.26 | abrotman | probably with a Centrino chipset if you can .. most of the AMD laptops i see use that crap broadcom stuff |
| 15:44.33 | blondie | I broke the internets |
| 15:44.49 | blondie | abrotman: what's wrong with broadcom? |
| 15:44.55 | jlaw | !fish blondie |
| 15:44.55 | jako | What about the new macbook? |
| 15:44.57 | jlaw | bad girl |
| 15:45.07 | blondie | GIRL INDEED |
| 15:45.10 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 15:45.20 | paulswm | !prize blondie |
| 15:45.22 | abrotman | blondie: broadcom wifi? |
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| 15:45.31 | blondie | abrotman: uhuh |
| 15:45.35 | blondie | my laptop has it |
| 15:45.36 | abrotman | blondie: are you serious? |
| 15:45.37 | dinamic | hi |
| 15:45.37 | jlaw | blondie, it's because of your name |
| 15:45.44 | blondie | jlaw: I don't get it |
| 15:45.53 | abrotman | blondie: we went over this the other day |
| 15:46.05 | blondie | abrotman: "we" did? |
| 15:46.09 | abrotman | we did |
| 15:46.18 | abrotman | we discussed the band .. and the comic strip .. |
| 15:46.27 | dinamic | just a question: DRM forbids derivative works? |
| 15:46.31 | blondie | oh that |
| 15:46.37 | abrotman | dinamic: DRM ? |
| 15:46.45 | jlaw | blondie ... he does not mean you and him ... he's just talking in third person !-) |
| 15:46.57 | abrotman | jako: regardless .. before you buy *any* laptop .. do your homework |
| 15:47.07 | blondie | jlaw: I can wear a dress if you like? |
| 15:47.07 | dinamic | abrotan: digital rights management |
| 15:47.16 | blondie | dinamic: pebkac |
| 15:47.25 | jlaw | blondie hrhrhrrrrr^^ |
| 15:47.35 | abrotman | dinamic: i know what it is .. i don't see what it has to do with Debian |
| 15:49.10 | dinamic | abrotman http://evan.prodromou.name/Free_content_and_DRM |
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| 15:49.35 | dinamic | abrotman, DRM forbids derivative works? |
| 15:49.38 | blondie | dinamic: aint got nothing to do with debian love |
| 15:49.45 | abrotman | dinamic: i STILL don't see what this has to do with debian |
| 15:50.34 | dinamic | "we discussed the band .. and the comic strip": i STILL don't see what this has to do with debian |
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| 15:50.52 | blondie | dinamic: you're new... so hush |
| 15:51.13 | dinamic | I'm new and I'm not a fascist too |
| 15:51.15 | abrotman | dinamic: afaik .. there is no app in debian that works with DRM media |
| 15:51.44 | dinamic | abrotman, why? |
| 15:51.44 | abrotman | (admittedly .. i don't mess with much media that would be DRMed) |
| 15:51.51 | abrotman | that's why ^^ :) |
| 15:51.56 | blondie | dinamic: why would there be? |
| 15:52.01 | blondie | debian is OSS |
| 15:52.05 | blondie | DRM is not |
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| 15:52.19 | dinamic | blondie, see the link |
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| 15:52.34 | pt | anyone has an idea how to solve this : ? |
| 15:52.40 | pt | i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0 Unable to map surround DAC's (or DAC's not present), total channels = 2 |
| 15:52.56 | pt | ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/acore/oss/mixer_oss.c:1317: unable to register OSS mixer device 1:0 |
| 15:53.02 | dinamic | abrotman, debian must be compatible with DRM? |
| 15:53.12 | abrotman | no |
| 15:53.17 | abrotman | it doesn't have to do anything |
| 15:53.26 | dinamic | abrotman, debian is not compatible with drm? |
| 15:53.27 | cahoot | pt: looks like you mix oss and alsa |
| 15:53.35 | abrotman | dinamic: what DRM? |
| 15:53.41 | blondie | dinamic is asking silly questions! |
| 15:53.44 | abrotman | dinamic: which DRM scheme? |
| 15:53.45 | pt | cahoot : i think alsa has the wrapper around oss ? |
| 15:53.50 | abrotman | dinamic: which DRM media? |
| 15:53.55 | abrotman | dinamic: which player in Debian? |
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| 15:54.01 | dinamic | sony plaistation or microsoft xbox |
| 15:54.01 | abrotman | see .. you don't know what you're talking about ;) |
| 15:54.05 | pt | i used to use oss...that's why..i tried to load the oss modules.. |
| 15:54.08 | abrotman | bah .. stupid troll |
| 15:54.11 | cahoot | pt: yes but i810_audio isn't alsa |
| 15:54.13 | blondie | I'm running debian on my xbox! |
| 15:54.13 | abrotman | !troll dinamic |
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| 15:54.28 | dinamic | see the link |
| 15:54.32 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: the bot seems to have died .. or is going very slow |
| 15:54.32 | benny`work | hi! how can i see which versions of a package are available? want to install mysql but apt-get install mysql want to install mysql5 |
| 15:54.33 | blondie | why? |
| 15:54.33 | dinamic | he says about this |
| 15:54.34 | stew | dinamic: your questions are vague and hard to understand, you'll have to ask more specific questions if you want actual answers |
| 15:54.40 | cahoot | pt: you can't load oss and expect alsa to work |
| 15:54.43 | stew | pt: what were you doing when you got that error? |
| 15:54.45 | pt | cahoot : right, but i should be able to load it too? modprobe doesn't complain anything. |
| 15:54.49 | stew | pt: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 15:55.01 | dinamic | the author is evan prodromou |
| 15:55.03 | pt | stew : dmesg |
| 15:55.16 | abrotman | dinamic: ask HIM what it has to do with debian |
| 15:55.29 | pt | stew : 2.6.12 |
| 15:55.32 | blondie | evan prodromou the famous author! |
| 15:55.38 | dinamic | There are a number of platforms where DRM is required to distribute a work, most notably some PDA text readers (without a lot of market right now) and games consoles like the Sony Playstation and Microsoft XBox (huge markets). |
| 15:55.45 | cahoot | pt: if you load an oss module you effectively incapacitates alsa |
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| 15:56.02 | blondie | dinamic: but what does that have to do with debian? |
| 15:56.07 | pt | cahoot : i cannot find the alsa driver which matchs my sound card, it is quite old... |
| 15:56.08 | stew | pt: what command had you just run? |
| 15:56.14 | stew | pt: what sound card? |
| 15:56.16 | dinamic | blondie: I don't know!!! |
| 15:56.17 | abrotman | dinamic: this still has NOTHING TO DO WITH DEBIAN |
| 15:56.23 | blondie | well why are you talking about it? |
| 15:56.29 | cahoot | pt: then use oss but don't expet alsa to do you any good |
| 15:56.30 | blondie | and telling us to read websites about it? |
| 15:56.39 | pt | stew : Sis |
| 15:56.42 | blondie | abrotman: oh, it's my birthday! do I get a song? :D |
| 15:56.49 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 15:56.52 | abrotman | crap |
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| 15:57.03 | jlaw | pt, alsaconf should find it for you |
| 15:57.28 | dinamic | licenses concern debian? |
| 15:57.35 | jlaw | pt ...omg ... sis ac97 ? |
| 15:57.41 | blondie | abrotman: /me swaps the o and the n in song |
| 15:57.43 | abrotman | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 15:57.44 | nkirc | blondie: happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, you smell like a donkey, and you eat like one too ? |
| 15:57.51 | pt | jlaw : alsaconf lists the driver which seems not to match ....well, i am not sure... |
| 15:57.58 | dinamic | debian concern licenses too |
| 15:58.00 | stew | pt: what command did you run to get that stuff into dmesg |
| 15:58.00 | pt | jlaw : yes |
| 15:58.05 | dinamic | debian concern licenses, ok? |
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| 15:58.15 | jlaw | pt ... tell me when you got it and tell me how^^ |
| 15:58.15 | dinamic | concerns licenses or not? |
| 15:58.17 | blondie | dinamic: ENOPARSE |
| 15:58.24 | blondie | yay party hats |
| 15:58.26 | pt | stew : just dmesg and grep ALSA |
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| 15:58.32 | dinamic | blondie be quite |
| 15:58.34 | abrotman | yay .. sunday continues! |
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| 15:58.37 | blondie | quite what? |
| 15:58.52 | stew | pt: put the output of "lspci -n" and "lsmod" into a pastebin |
| 15:59.00 | Bazy | Debian IRC Network moves to OFTC |
| 15:59.00 | Bazy | Starting with today the Debian IRC host alias irc.debian.org directs |
| 15:59.00 | Bazy | to irc.oftc.net maintained by the Open and Free Technology Community |
| 15:59.00 | Bazy | (OFTC). |
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| 15:59.01 | pt | cahoot : should i use purely oss then? |
| 15:59.02 | dinamic | I'm talking with abrotman |
| 15:59.07 | pt | stew : okie |
| 15:59.09 | abrotman | dinamic: if the media you want is proteted by DRM .. that's your problem .. not Debian's |
| 15:59.22 | blondie | "protected" :) |
| 15:59.25 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 15:59.25 | stew | dinamic: if you have a question that is specific to debian, please ask it |
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| 15:59.32 | blondie | "corrupted" more like |
| 15:59.34 | cahoot | pt: stick to stew (hopefully you've switched to debian) |
| 15:59.40 | blondie | that wasn't a spelling correction :) |
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| 15:59.55 | dinamic | prodromou said that licenses compatible with debian must be compatible with DRM |
| 15:59.58 | abrotman | !tell Bazy about oftc move |
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| 16:00.03 | pt | cahoot : kanoppix is the child of debian, i would say ;) |
| 16:00.04 | abrotman | bah .. stupid bot is toast |
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| 16:00.15 | dinamic | otherwise licenses are not free |
| 16:00.23 | blondie | dinamic: what a load of trash |
| 16:00.23 | lewis | does the command that SSHD pass to a shell look like: shellname -c remotecommand, i.e. /bin/bash -c uname -r |
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| 16:00.36 | stew | dinamic: for a license to be compatible with debian it must comply to the dfsg: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 16:00.38 | dinamic | is it true?? |
| 16:00.58 | stew | dinamic: err dpkg is gone: http://dpkg.vireo.org/dfsg |
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| 16:01.02 | dragan | i need to install Xlib header files. what packge should that be??? |
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| 16:01.13 | abrotman | dragan: which version of debian ? |
| 16:01.25 | dragan | abrotman: etch |
| 16:01.30 | stew | pt: please go to #knoppix for help with knoppix |
| 16:01.31 | pt | stew : pastebin ? then ...? |
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| 16:01.54 | pt | stew : knoppix people is not so active today.. |
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| 16:02.08 | abrotman | pt: not our problem .. go to #knoppix or ##linux |
| 16:02.10 | blondie | pt: ask tomorrow then |
| 16:02.17 | stew | pt: try a mailing list then |
| 16:02.18 | blondie | (not in here) |
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| 16:02.36 | abrotman | what is the new xlibs-dev ? |
| 16:02.55 | stew | abrotman: xlibs-dev was split into many packages you need to now know which parts you actually need |
| 16:03.02 | dinamic | stew, DRM forbids derivative works? |
| 16:03.03 | abrotman | stew: i don't .. dragan does :) |
| 16:03.15 | abrotman | hehe .. elive! |
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| 16:03.24 | dragan | abrotman: libx11-dev actually? |
| 16:03.34 | abrotman | might be |
| 16:03.34 | stew | dinamic: "DRM" is too vague. what exactly do you mean? |
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| 16:03.36 | cahoot | pt: this mailing list is good for alsa: http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:03.38 | pt | hmm...alright, gotta try linx |
| 16:03.44 | dragan | abrotman: thanks! |
| 16:03.53 | pt | cahoot : many thanks. |
| 16:04.32 | pt | perhaps i should try to rebuild the kernel with only oss ....hrrrrrrrr.... |
| 16:04.53 | dinamic | stew "There are a number of platforms where DRM is required to distribute a work, most notably some PDA text readers (without a lot of market right now) and games consoles like the Sony Playstation and Microsoft XBox (huge markets)." |
| 16:04.58 | sussudio | peterS: it's rather a massive difference between the rtl8139 i had in the pc before and the 3c905c that's in there now. |
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| 16:05.14 | animall | upgrade from working sarge -> etch != smooth process |
| 16:05.16 | animall | bleh |
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| 16:05.31 | abrotman | dinamic: what do those systems have to do with debian ? |
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| 16:05.43 | stew | dinamic: i don't know of any pda text readers which will run debian. it is possible to run debian on a sony playstation or a microsoft xbox |
| 16:06.00 | nkirc | stew is it possible to run debian on a g3 ibook ? |
| 16:06.10 | stew | nkirc: it is |
| 16:06.12 | animall | nkirc: yes |
| 16:06.29 | nkirc | stew ok .. i hope this next install works then. |
| 16:06.31 | animall | <- corrupted a macbook pro last week |
| 16:06.32 | mirak | I need to use base-config with debootstrap right ? |
| 16:06.48 | nkirc | animall: i have a g3 ibook that you wouldn't be able to corrupt :P |
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| 16:06.49 | stew | dinamic: the problems that those platforms present wrt to debian have nothing to do with derivative works, it has to do with whether or not you get real access to the hardware |
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| 16:07.02 | stew | mirak: if you are debootstrapping something other than sarge |
| 16:07.12 | dinamic | stew, I think that a copoyleft license is not compatible with DRM, because DRM forbids derivative works |
| 16:07.39 | animall | nkirc: unless its dead, dont count on it |
| 16:07.39 | mirak | stew: you mean sid ? |
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| 16:08.23 | nkirc | animall it's not dead, i'm irssi'ing in from it right now |
| 16:08.28 | abrotman | dinamic: have you read the GPL ? |
| 16:08.46 | animall | ok |
| 16:08.53 | dinamic | abrotman yes |
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| 16:10.00 | dinamic | abrotman, and gfdl too |
| 16:10.02 | nkirc | animall so i'll go ahead and count on it ^_^.. but i'm sure you're good with newer machines. |
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| 16:10.23 | animall | nkirc: older machines also |
| 16:10.28 | nkirc | animall really ? |
| 16:10.35 | animall | unless my wife kills the kbd |
| 16:10.36 | nkirc | animall well this is a first series ibook. |
| 16:10.40 | abrotman | grapefru1t: STOP ircing as root |
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| 16:10.47 | nkirc | animall i think it has consoles tools, not kbd |
| 16:10.54 | nkirc | or kdb? |
| 16:10.58 | nkirc | i don't remember |
| 16:11.03 | animall | well correction, kdb = keyboard in this case |
| 16:11.05 | eleftherios | is there an easy way to find out why a package is in non-free? |
| 16:11.10 | dinamic | stew, prodromou said: "If a licensee is unable to experiment with porting or incorporating works into these platforms, there is a significant limit on their freedom to use the original work." |
| 16:12.01 | animall | once the hardware is identified, it shouldnt be any problem to get it going |
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| 16:12.19 | Alex_BO | HELLO!I've a problem.I'm installing DFS into an old laptop, but i don't know how to make it communicate with my router.This is the configuration: Router: 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 My wlan0: 192.168.0.25 255.255.255.0 My eth0: 192.168.5.1 255.255.255.0 Old Laptop eth0: 192.168.5.2 255.255.255.0 I connect from my computer to the router via wlan0 and to the old laptop via eth0. I don't know how to set route table |
| 16:12.19 | Alex_BO | .Anybody can help me? |
| 16:12.33 | grapefru1t | hello |
| 16:12.40 | nkirc | animall the hardware is easily identified.. |
| 16:12.43 | animall | of course, unless there is no driver and no documentation |
| 16:12.46 | abrotman | grapefru1t: good job |
| 16:12.50 | animall | then your set |
| 16:12.52 | nkirc | i even tried running lsh or lshw or whatever |
| 16:12.56 | grapefru1t | abrotman: thanks, now can you help me with something |
| 16:12.59 | abrotman | maybe |
| 16:13.02 | stew | dinamic: do you have a debian related question? |
| 16:13.20 | stew | myren: you aren't running sarge you are running testing aka etch |
| 16:13.25 | stew | myren: not you, nm |
| 16:13.25 | grapefru1t | abrotman: when I try to run X as user `david' I get the error: user not autorized to run X |
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| 16:13.36 | abrotman | how are you trying to start it ? |
| 16:13.44 | grapefru1t | abrotman: startx |
| 16:13.53 | stew | !debwiki grapefru1t Xorg69To7 |
| 16:14.00 | dinamic | stew: debian fguidelines are compoatible with a no-drm clause? |
| 16:14.05 | stew | grapefru1t: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 16:14.10 | Alex_BO | CAN anybody help me??? please |
| 16:14.12 | abrotman | grapefru1t: you're on etch/sid or sarge? |
| 16:14.15 | animall | later, gotta fetch kid |
| 16:14.18 | abrotman | Alex_BO: wtf is DFS ? |
| 16:14.18 | grapefru1t | abrotman: etch |
| 16:14.28 | abrotman | grapefru1t: see the URL stew gave you |
| 16:14.30 | dinamic | stew: are debian guidelines compatible with drm? |
| 16:14.30 | Alex_BO | abrotman, Debian From Scratch |
| 16:14.43 | grapefru1t | abrotman: that will help me with running x from different user? |
| 16:14.48 | stew | dinamic: which license are you referring to? |
| 16:14.58 | abrotman | grapefru1t: there should be a section there |
| 16:15.08 | Alex_BO | abrotman, i think it's very very easy, but i don't how to use route :( |
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| 16:15.19 | dinamic | creative commons for example |
| 16:15.25 | abrotman | Alex_BO: netfilter.org .. and lartc.org |
| 16:15.52 | stew | dinamic: which license? |
| 16:15.53 | dinamic | attribution share alike |
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| 16:16.42 | rcorsaro | Seems like man is outputing some special, three byte characters, that aterm can't handle. I assume the first is an escape character and the next two are unicode or something. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 16:16.47 | stew | dinamic: http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary also please read the dfsg faq |
| 16:16.52 | lewis | asg: I changed $SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND to $2, and it seems to work |
| 16:17.00 | dinamic | yes is of the same author |
| 16:17.01 | dinamic | :-) |
| 16:17.07 | dinamic | I know |
| 16:17.16 | abrotman | so why are you asking us? |
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| 16:17.50 | dinamic | abrotman, please... |
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| 16:18.22 | dinamic | stew, I think that it is not right |
| 16:18.23 | blondie | lol |
| 16:18.29 | stew | dinamic: which part? |
| 16:18.42 | abrotman | and what? |
| 16:18.44 | dinamic | stew: the part concerning drm |
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| 16:18.58 | abrotman | fantasma: did it work ? |
| 16:19.06 | fantasma | abrotman: yah...THANK you |
| 16:19.14 | dinamic | stew: a copyleft license is incompatible with DRM, because DRM forbids derivative works |
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| 16:19.52 | dinamic | so it's not correct say: the license is not compatible because the license contains an anti-drm clause |
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| 16:20.37 | dinamic | stew, what do you think about? |
| 16:20.46 | stew | dinamic: if a license tries to limit your freedom to redistribute work it fails the dfsg. it has nothing necessarily to do with DRM |
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| 16:21.03 | fantasma | ahhh xchat |
| 16:21.07 | dinamic | stew, but DRM limits your freedom |
| 16:21.11 | fantasma | damn irssi |
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| 16:21.25 | pipeline | fantasma: If I could use xchat in screen, I would :P |
| 16:21.26 | stew | dinamic: which drm? |
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| 16:21.41 | stew | dinamic: which license are you talking about specifically? |
| 16:21.43 | fantasma | pipeline, :P, i still like irssi |
| 16:21.54 | abrotman | pipeline: you can i think .. kind of |
| 16:21.56 | dinamic | creative commons by-sa |
| 16:22.10 | pipeline | abrotman: xmove need not apply :P |
| 16:22.19 | stew | dinamic: yes. debian won't include software under creative commons sa |
| 16:22.23 | fantasma | how do I get dpkg to tell me the nvidia one-liner? |
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| 16:22.40 | stew | dinamic: not becuase of drm, becuase the license is considered non-free |
| 16:22.43 | dinamic | stew, I know, but I don't understand the argument |
| 16:22.57 | Varanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.04 | dinamic | the argument about drm |
| 16:23.08 | dinamic | only that |
| 16:23.28 | ALVAN | dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 16:23.57 | stew | dinamic: one of the many arguments against cc sa is that i am not allowed "publicly display" the work. limiting my freedom in this way is not consistent with the dfsg, which says the work must be freely redistributable |
| 16:23.59 | abrotman | pipeline: i thought there was some kind of proxy thing you could do |
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| 16:24.11 | fantasma | abrotman, could you send me the nvidia one-liner? |
| 16:24.22 | pipeline | abrotman: That's probably xmove. It's a proxy that allows you to change displays for xclients. |
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| 16:24.32 | dinamic | stew, ok, I know, but I don't understand the argument about drm clause |
| 16:24.33 | abrotman | fantasma: i would if the bot were alive |
| 16:24.57 | fantasma | how did he die |
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| 16:25.13 | abrotman | fantasma: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=nvidia%20one-liner |
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| 16:25.21 | abrotman | fantasma: too many burritos |
| 16:25.26 | fantasma | lol |
| 16:25.34 | stew | dinamic: the cc sa license does not mention a DRM. It has nothing to do with a drm. the author of the license sumarry probably shouldn't have mentioned drm. |
| 16:25.55 | dinamic | stew, You may not distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform the Work with any technological measures that control access or use of the Work in a manner inconsistent with the terms of this License Agreement. |
| 16:26.27 | stew | dinamic: Limiting freedoms in this way is not consistent with the dfsg <-- do you understand what i mean there? |
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| 16:27.02 | stew | dinamic: if i'm not allowed to display the work publicly, it can't be in debian becuase that is too great of a restriction |
| 16:27.21 | dinamic | yes: but the problem is also this: If a licensee is unable to experiment with porting or incorporating works into these platforms, there is a significant limit on their freedom to use the original work. Don't get too caught up in numbers, though; if just one person is unable to experiment with just one platform because of an anti-DRM clause, there's a significant restriction of freedom. |
| 16:27.42 | dinamic | vagueness is a problem |
| 16:27.56 | dinamic | DRM-only platforms are another problem |
| 16:27.59 | blondie | eh |
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| 16:28.09 | Varanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.19 | dinamic | I don't understand the second problem |
| 16:28.22 | blondie | some third party blocking use of their platform isn't OSS developers' problem |
| 16:29.10 | blondie | dinamic: you could argue BSD vs GPL licenses |
| 16:29.13 | dinamic | blondie, prodromou said that a license compatible with debian guidelines must be compatible with drm |
| 16:29.40 | blondie | really |
| 16:29.42 | dinamic | otherwise it is not possible develop a program for that platforms |
| 16:29.51 | stew | dinamic: it sounds like maybe you should just be asking the author if you want clarifications on what he has written |
| 16:29.59 | blondie | debian doesn't have to support such platforms? |
| 16:30.37 | dinamic | blondie: debian can support that platforms |
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| 16:31.26 | dinamic | for this reason prodromou say that |
| 16:31.29 | blondie | dinamic: I have no idea what you're trying to say |
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| 16:31.41 | blondie | and I don't know or care who "prodromou" is |
| 16:32.04 | dinamic | blondie: he's a important person in debian |
| 16:32.10 | dinamic | debian community |
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| 16:32.36 | fantasma | is there a contrib and non-free for unstable? |
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| 16:32.40 | dinamic | perhaps you are not an important person |
| 16:32.44 | RichiH | fantasma: of course |
| 16:32.48 | dinamic | but he is |
| 16:32.52 | blondie | dinamic: piss off |
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| 16:33.11 | Daedalus_ | so.... we've moved to oftc then? |
| 16:33.14 | fantasma | RichiH, W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/contrib P |
| 16:33.14 | fantasma | ackages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_contrib_bina |
| 16:33.14 | fantasma | ry-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 16:33.19 | dinamic | i think that prodromous maked an error |
| 16:33.21 | blondie | Daedalus_: have you? |
| 16:33.23 | Daedalus_ | No |
| 16:33.23 | abrotman | Daedalus_: not really .. the CNAME moved |
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| 16:33.38 | RichiH | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 16:34.00 | Daedalus_ | Right... what's the outlook for the freenode chan? I read all the docs linked in the topic. |
| 16:34.01 | mirak | you don't need to run base-config with debootstrap on unstable ? |
| 16:34.01 | RichiH | fantasma: i just updated, too |
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| 16:34.08 | fantasma | RichiH, basically replace unstable with sid? |
| 16:34.09 | dinamic | copyleft licenses with anti-drm clause are compatible with debian guidelines |
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| 16:34.15 | dinamic | imho |
| 16:34.19 | RichiH | fantasma: should work with unstable, too |
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| 16:34.35 | dinamic | thi is the question |
| 16:34.36 | RichiH | dinamic: there is always the chance of a GR, too |
| 16:34.51 | fantasma | RichiH, i have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 16:34.54 | adggg | whehoo so I installed debian for the |
| 16:35.00 | adggg | first time in my life!!! |
| 16:35.22 | dbe | fantasma, remove non-free if you want to make sure that you only using free software |
| 16:35.31 | blondie | Daedalus_: the other #debian sucks! :P |
| 16:35.31 | RichiH | fantasma: try with ftp.$othercountry.d.o |
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| 16:35.50 | Trewas | dinamic: I think the main problem of anti-drm clauses (in gfdl for example) is that it limits the distribution too much, like not allowing any technological measures for controlling access -> some read it as disallowing even chmod |
| 16:36.00 | adggg | only so far I only have minimal install, How do I get the GUI and the rest of it? |
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| 16:36.20 | dinamic | Trewas, but gfdl is officially compatible with debian guidelines! |
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| 16:36.50 | RichiH | Trewas: drm can easily be defined as access control that overrides the wishes of the root user on $machine, though |
| 16:36.58 | Trewas | dinamic: yes, common sense prevailed but it was heavily discussed at least in debian-legal |
| 16:37.02 | RichiH | though you can get into trouble with ACLs and SE, that way |
| 16:37.04 | Alex_BO | abrotman, okay... it's very difficult. can you help me? please... :( |
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| 16:37.46 | dinamic | Trewas, what do you think about a not vague anti-drm clause? |
| 16:37.57 | callee | what xorg package do i need on testing for enabling dri? |
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| 16:38.18 | killown | xorg-base |
| 16:38.19 | callee | the package with the driver for i915 3d acceleration, what is it's name? |
| 16:38.24 | abrotman | Alex_BO: lartc.org and netfilter.org should have more than enough docs to help you |
| 16:38.33 | pipeline | callee: the driver name is i810 |
| 16:38.41 | abrotman | callee: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 16:38.45 | callee | pipeline: thats only for 2d |
| 16:38.52 | abrotman | no . it's for 3d |
| 16:38.53 | Alex_BO | abrotman, yes i know... but i need examples... :( |
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| 16:39.02 | pipeline | callee: No. |
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| 16:39.25 | Alex_BO | abrotman, what should i use? ip tunnel? |
| 16:39.36 | Trewas | dinamic: not anything really... but I'd assume such clause would be ok for debian as GFDL was accepted |
| 16:39.40 | adggg | hey, can someone give me some tips on how to get my fresh debian installation configured? |
| 16:39.56 | stew | adggg: specifically waht needs configuring? |
| 16:39.58 | adggg | how do I download the rest of what I need? |
| 16:40.22 | stew | adggg: if you need to install more software, try the aptitude tool |
| 16:40.28 | adggg | so far I just have a login from a minimal CD install |
| 16:40.39 | adggg | stew: that's it, I couldn't get the aptitude tool to work |
| 16:40.48 | fantasma | can I switch from using aptitude and apt-get for different things |
| 16:40.58 | stew | adggg: what didn't work? |
| 16:41.03 | adggg | stew: apt said it couldn't find network |
| 16:41.23 | adggg | stew: so either my hardware isn't config'd right, or I did something wrong |
| 16:41.52 | stew | adggg: when you run "ping 128.2.2.2" do you get replies? |
| 16:41.59 | adggg | maybe it's easier to put the files I need onto a USB stick, and load the rest? |
| 16:42.03 | adggg | stew: hold on, checking |
| 16:42.09 | abrotman | Alex_BO: netfilter.org has examples |
| 16:42.32 | stew | fantasma: i didn't understand your question |
| 16:42.56 | adggg | stew: "network is unreachable", but that might be because I only have one ethernet plug (the one I'm using right now on another machine) |
| 16:43.08 | fantasma | stew, can i use aptitude for some things and apt-get for others w/o harm? |
| 16:43.22 | dinamic | Trewas, anti-drm clause of GFDL is ok but anti-drm clause of cc-by-sa is not, why? |
| 16:43.34 | adggg | stew: I would have to unplug from this machine first to test network on that machine.... |
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| 16:44.09 | Trewas | dinamic: you are talking about http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary? |
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| 16:44.58 | stew | adggg: it sounds like you need to setup /etc/network/interfaces ; man interfaces ; /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 16:45.11 | adggg | stew: how? |
| 16:45.16 | stew | dinamic: which clause of the gfdl are you talking about? |
| 16:45.29 | stew | adggg: editor /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:45.52 | Trewas | dinamic: if so, then the problem in the license is that "You may not distribute ... with any technological measures that control access", which seems to disallow any private (encrypted) distribution |
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| 16:46.37 | stew | fantasma: the problem is that aptitude tries to keep track of which packages were installed as dependencies and which you specifically requested. if you use apt-get it doesn't get this information. it should in general be ok but just keep an eye on aptitude when it starts trying to remove pacakges |
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| 16:47.04 | eddiecheng | why isnt my other harddisk not appearing on my debian system after i install debian. |
| 16:47.17 | eddiecheng | i done a cfdisk and it shows only hda and didnt show hdb |
| 16:47.36 | gnufan | adggg: do you usually use DHCP ? If so, and you chose "automatic" in the netinstall networking should just work (when you plug it in!) |
| 16:47.50 | omry | using etch, having a problem getting nvidia latest driver to work with the new xorg (7.0). the driver in nvidia-glx package is no good for my video card. can anyone help? |
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| 16:48.01 | dinamic | Trewas, ok, the vagueness, but what about the other problem? |
| 16:48.11 | abrotman | omry: check the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 16:48.11 | dinamic | drm-platforms |
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| 16:48.35 | omry | abrotman, having a look, thanks. |
| 16:49.08 | xchat | Hi, i got debian and i want to install an eggdrop, but when i compile it it says: Tcl cannot be found on this system. can anyone tell me please how could i install tcl ? because i tryed more commands and it didn't really work |
| 16:49.15 | adggg | gnufan: maybe I made a mistake there and didn't choose automatic (I got rid of the other problems, though) |
| 16:49.25 | adggg | so what do I do now? |
| 16:49.36 | adggg | can I go back to "automatic" somehow? |
| 16:50.10 | gnufan | adggg: well it usually remembers the networking options you give it, so hopefully it'll just work. |
| 16:50.11 | adggg | I have IP addresses, DNS servers & DHCP address |
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| 16:50.23 | stew | !wayc xchat |
| 16:50.31 | adggg | gnufan: for some reason it didn't work when I last tried |
| 16:50.38 | abrotman | no bot \o/ |
| 16:50.39 | stew | xchat: why are you compiling instead of just using apt-get? |
| 16:50.45 | adggg | gnufan: I am logged in though, just not sure how to proceed |
| 16:51.00 | gnufan | adggg: try plugin it in, check if your IP setting are right in "/etc/network/interfaces", and then "apt-get install rhapsody" a command line IRC client -- and you can come back here in Debian ;) |
| 16:51.06 | xchat | stew i don't know how to do that.. |
| 16:51.07 | adggg | I have edit /etc/network/interfaces in front of me now |
| 16:51.26 | xchat | i think i have to register here to get privates.. one second |
| 16:51.27 | stew | xchat: apt-get install eggdrop ; then read /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/* |
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| 16:51.36 | xchat | stew thankiu |
| 16:51.40 | adggg | gnufan: that will be great if I can get rhapsody going |
| 16:51.40 | ootput | hi guys, anyone know of any distros that are specifically desgined to be run in a chroot? Strictly text-based tools, but comprehensive enough for day to day use? |
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| 16:52.08 | adggg | gnufan: but how do I check if IP settings are right in "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 16:52.13 | adggg | I see nothing here |
| 16:52.16 | stew | ootput: uhh, how about debian? |
| 16:52.40 | stew | adggg: http://dpkg.vireo.org/man+interfaces |
| 16:52.44 | gnufan | adggg: should look a bit like the examples in "man interfaces".... |
| 16:52.58 | Trewas | dinamic: hmm, the analysis suggests that the license should be changed to allow DRM copies if also unrestricted versions are available, so there does not seem to be any problem with using DRM |
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| 16:53.40 | stew | dondelelcaro: can you please restart dpkg? |
| 16:53.55 | dinamic | Trewas, which license? |
| 16:54.04 | eddiecheng | is there any places i can read. Why isnt my 2nd hdd doesnt show up any partition. How do i format my second hdd |
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| 16:54.11 | abrotman | nothing in dmesg ? |
| 16:54.12 | fas3r | it's possible to start debian in init 2 (no graphic mode) ... at boot i need to secify init 2 it's this ? |
| 16:54.16 | abrotman | does the BIOS see it? |
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| 16:54.26 | stew | dinamic: if your question is why is dfsg allowed, the answer is that it was specifically allowed by http://www.us.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 16:54.35 | stew | dinamic: err not dfsg but gfdl |
| 16:54.36 | Trewas | dinamic: the one discussed in that analysis: http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary |
| 16:54.52 | gnufan | stew: cool search factoid by author -- can find what I once knew ;) |
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| 16:55.45 | adggg | gnufan: is this all I need? "auto eth0" |
| 16:55.56 | adggg | gnufan: is that it for DHCP? |
| 16:56.06 | stew | adggg: you need "iface eth0 inet dhcp" too |
| 16:56.17 | adggg | stew: thanks, and thanks for the link |
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| 16:58.02 | killown | how redirect port 80 in eth0 to eth1 port 8080? |
| 16:58.05 | gnufan | adggg: the "auto eth0" just means bring it up at boot time, but doesn't say how to bring it up, hence the iface line |
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| 16:58.24 | kippi | hey |
| 16:58.52 | schippes | how can i automatically load ppdev module (handles the low level parport# device nodes) when an applications wants to send or read data from the paralel port ? i have added the alias : alias char-major-99-* ppdev' but this is not enough. since i never have found some docs clearly explaining what mysterious mechanism causes some modules to be loaded, how can i solve my problem?' |
| 16:58.59 | kippi | I am looking at setting up a vpn server on debian, what is the best server to use? and how much work is there 2 do? |
| 16:59.16 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
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| 16:59.23 | callee | abrotman is there no mesa package for the dri drivers in testing? |
| 16:59.39 | abrotman | callee: huh? |
| 16:59.48 | callee | because i do not even have the /usr/lib/dri directory |
| 16:59.49 | stew | killown: be more specific, where is the traffic coming from, what is its eventual destination? some server bound to :8080? |
| 16:59.58 | stew | callee: mesa-utils |
| 17:00.02 | abrotman | callee: you're making the ivtv driver? |
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| 17:00.31 | callee | stew: mesa-utils do not contain the drivers for videocards |
| 17:00.34 | gnufan | !beer |
| 17:00.37 | stew | callee: libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 17:00.58 | callee | ah |
| 17:01.11 | callee | that may be what i was looking for |
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| 17:01.26 | dinamic | stew where is the GR about creative commons? |
| 17:01.43 | stew | dinamic: afaik, there hasn't been one |
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| 17:02.02 | stew | dinamic: if there had been it would be on http://debian.org/vote |
| 17:02.24 | Thug-N-Me | wondering why nerolinux works and k3b not :( ? |
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| 17:03.00 | Thug-N-Me | but its still slow in 28 mins only 43 % |
| 17:03.05 | Thug-N-Me | anyway to speed this up ? |
| 17:03.25 | Thug-N-Me | in windows at speed 4x take only 10 min to burn dvd data |
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| 17:05.52 | fantasma | what's the fastest way to get a sane building enviroment |
| 17:06.04 | fantasma | is there some dummy package that could do that? |
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| 17:06.22 | omry | abrotman, --x-module-path solved the problem. thanks. |
| 17:06.23 | StriderZ | What the heck happened to mplayer? Was it removed? |
| 17:06.41 | gnufan | fantasma: build-essentials ? |
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| 17:06.52 | abrotman | omry: yay |
| 17:07.02 | fantasma | gnufan, thank you |
| 17:07.03 | adggg | hey maybe a stupid question, but do I have to reboot after editing /etc/network/interfaces ??? |
| 17:07.17 | gnufan | fantasma: build-essential no "s" even |
| 17:07.23 | buffoon | adggg: no, just type "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 17:07.23 | stew | StriderZ: mplayer has never been in debian |
| 17:07.29 | stew | @mplayer |
| 17:07.39 | stew | do we have no bots? |
| 17:07.43 | adggg | buffoon: wow, that's nice |
| 17:07.44 | dinamic | stew who can submit a proposal? |
| 17:08.17 | gnufan | stew: dpkg isn't pouring me any beer |
| 17:08.34 | fantasma | dpkg is down |
| 17:08.39 | fantasma | damn bot is dead |
| 17:08.55 | fantasma | !heal dpkg |
| 17:08.59 | abrotman | stew: i think simonrvn took Ravenbird out of here |
| 17:09.03 | Shadowcat | beat dondelelcaro |
| 17:09.07 | Shadowcat | he owns the bot |
| 17:09.10 | fantasma | !make dpkg |
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| 17:09.15 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 17:09.24 | Shadowcat | abrotman: yes but you're windows based |
| 17:09.32 | abrotman | i am? |
| 17:09.38 | abrotman | you can see me naked? |
| 17:09.42 | Shadowcat | see, self aware function is buggy |
| 17:09.44 | phogg | I didn't know Windows was a bot. |
| 17:09.52 | Shadowcat | along with a lot of other things |
| 17:10.04 | stew | dinamic: anyone can draft one. it needs to be sponsored and seconded by debian developers |
| 17:10.27 | gnufan | phogg: it isn't a bot, but 10 minutes after installing it becomes one ;) |
| 17:10.29 | stew | dinamic: refer to the debian constitution for details about the resolution procedure |
| 17:10.54 | dinamic | sponsored by debian developers? in which sense?ù |
| 17:11.34 | abrotman | does it come in italian ? |
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| 17:12.30 | hramrach | Hello |
| 17:12.34 | dinamic | abrotman it comes testa di cazzo |
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| 17:13.13 | gnufan | abrotman: like Moanna Pozzi? |
| 17:13.15 | adggg2 | I must have a static IP because it he failed to bring up eth0 :( |
| 17:14.12 | hramrach | dpkg is broken :-S |
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| 17:14.16 | redondos | Where can I find information about the move to oftc? (Just messaged dpkg but it didn't answer) I'm looking for the reason why you're moving. |
| 17:14.43 | hramrach | It does not answer messages :-S |
| 17:14.50 | formorer | redondos: http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604 |
| 17:14.56 | redondos | formorer: Thank you. |
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| 17:16.17 | redondos | formorer: They don't say what the reasons are. Do you or anyone else know? |
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| 17:16.20 | hramrach | What do I do after upgrade to xorg 7 to make X work normally? My .xsession is ignored, and xdm screen is b&w. |
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| 17:16.48 | abrotman | redondos: irc.debian.org is moving to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in $channel on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 17:17.28 | redondos | Aersome! Thanks |
| 17:17.29 | formorer | redondos: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 17:17.29 | fas3r | what's the runlevel for not boot on X ? |
| 17:17.35 | fas3r | it's runlevel 2 no ? |
| 17:17.36 | redondos | s/Aersome/Awesome/ |
| 17:17.44 | backus | hello, I want some help about my xorg in debian etch |
| 17:17.48 | formorer | fas3r: that concept don't exists on debian |
| 17:18.01 | abrotman | fas3r: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 17:18.27 | fas3r | it's not possible i edit any files because when i start my computer it start X .. |
| 17:18.39 | gnufan | fas3r: try "linux single" |
| 17:18.54 | fantasma | anyone know what engage is under in the E17 cvs tree? |
| 17:19.04 | stew | fas3r: by default runlevels 2-5 are the same, if you want to configure one to not start xdm/gdm/ whatever you can configure that yourself via update-rc.d. if you just want to stop the dm from starting ever, /msg dpkg nodm |
| 17:19.07 | hramrach | What config file do I edit so that I get custom session with xorg7? Or should I install some additional package? |
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| 17:19.29 | abrotman | stew: dead bot~ |
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| 17:19.31 | backus | my problem is that I tried upgrading my xorg yesterday, but the package xserver-common needs x11-common which is in conflict with xserver-common |
| 17:19.40 | stew | ugh, i should bring a blootbot into here maybe |
| 17:20.03 | hramrach | backus: It worked for me today :) |
| 17:20.09 | fantasma | does anyone have op at #e |
| 17:20.20 | hramrach | but I do not get custom X session :/ |
| 17:20.20 | TolstoyInLove | how can i complete the list of task in tasksel? |
| 17:20.26 | RichiH | fantasma: /msg chanserv access #e list - why? |
| 17:20.40 | backus | hramrach: which mirror are you using? |
| 17:20.43 | fantasma | RichiH, i need someone to unban me :( |
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| 17:20.46 | abrotman | haha |
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| 17:21.21 | xmb | anyone need a shell/awk script? |
| 17:21.30 | hramrach | backus: ftp.sh.cvut.cz |
| 17:21.36 | abrotman | stew: will you ban him this time? |
| 17:21.44 | Buchannon | I installed exim4, and can get mail in, but can't send mail out of my server... any ideas to what might be wrong? |
| 17:21.49 | abrotman | xmb: stop spamming us .. really .. please |
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| 17:22.00 | xmb | a question that spams |
| 17:22.05 | xmb | i offer, help, no url |
| 17:22.10 | abrotman | not this time |
| 17:22.16 | xmb | heh well |
| 17:22.19 | abrotman | xmb: do you have a debian question? |
| 17:22.22 | hramrach | backus: maybe some packages resolved from unstable, I set apt to prefer testing but use the unstable source as well |
| 17:22.26 | xmb | no, go away with that |
| 17:22.35 | blondie | xmb: you go away |
| 17:22.39 | abrotman | so you came to spam and give away your crappy scripts? |
| 17:22.47 | blondie | xmb: bend over please |
| 17:23.00 | TolstoyInLove | Buchannon: did u run smtp |
| 17:23.04 | TolstoyInLove | ? |
| 17:23.10 | backus | hramrach: perhaps I need to do that |
| 17:23.10 | blondie | !u |
| 17:23.11 | stew | xmb: abrotman is right. if you want to help with specific users that have problems for which one of your scripts might help then please feel free to help them, but we dont' need you spamming us with your urls anymore |
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| 17:23.24 | abrotman | blondie: nice try .. no bot! |
| 17:23.29 | blondie | :( |
| 17:23.41 | addgg | grrr, can't get the newly installed machine on the network |
| 17:23.44 | abrotman | Damn it Jim .. It's **Y-O-U** .. not 'u' |
| 17:24.19 | Buchannon | TolstoyInLove: I was planning on installing a SMTP program, but I know exim4 is able to send mail by itself and I was just testing to make sure it worked |
| 17:24.20 | addgg | I edited /etc/network/interfaces for DHCP, didn't work |
| 17:24.24 | blondie | hmm I need a new monitor or two :( |
| 17:24.28 | addgg | I edited /etc/network/interfaces for static, didn't work either |
| 17:24.30 | addgg | grrrr |
| 17:24.37 | xchat | can anyone tell me how can i install tcl on debian ? to run an eggdrop on it |
| 17:24.41 | addgg | what do I do? |
| 17:24.43 | rockstar_ | Can I do ssh X forwarding on a system that has an X display locally? I can't seem to get ssh -X to work. |
| 17:24.47 | abrotman | xchat: apt-cache search tcl |
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| 17:24.55 | xchat | thankiu abrotman |
| 17:25.00 | hramrach | addgg: what does tcpdump show? |
| 17:25.12 | TolstoyInLove | addgg: did u restart networkiing? |
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| 17:25.23 | addgg | hramrach: tcpdump: command not found |
| 17:25.30 | abrotman | apt: tell TolstoyInLove about u |
| 17:25.34 | addgg | Tolstoy: yes, I restarted networking |
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| 17:25.57 | hramrach | addgg: can you install tcpdump from a CD or something? |
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| 17:26.29 | addgg | hramrach: as long as I know where the file is, I guess I can get it on by USB stick.... |
| 17:26.40 | hramrach | addgg: or what does the dh(cpcd|client) say? |
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| 17:27.10 | TolstoyInLove | i ahve problem with tasksel's task |
| 17:27.24 | TolstoyInLove | they are not complete |
| 17:27.36 | addgg | hramrach: how do I invoke this dh(cpcd|client) ???? |
| 17:27.50 | addgg | I get "connect: Network is unreachable" |
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| 17:28.14 | hramrach | addgg: probably by restarting networking when you set up the interface for dhcp |
| 17:28.29 | rockstar_ | addgg, you can also do dhclient ethX |
| 17:28.49 | morten | to what extent does debian adhere to the principle of designing programs that do one thing, and do it well? |
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| 17:29.43 | abrotman | morten: do you have an actual question ? |
| 17:29.55 | rockstar_ | morten, how do you mean? |
| 17:29.56 | addgg | rockstar: "no such device" |
| 17:30.00 | morten | abrotman: i'm curious. |
| 17:30.14 | addgg | rockstar: "Bind socket to inferface: No such device" |
| 17:30.15 | rockstar_ | addgg, you need to change ethX to your eth |
| 17:30.17 | abrotman | about that vague question ? |
| 17:30.22 | morten | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy |
| 17:30.23 | hramrach | addgg: you replace X with the number of your device (usually 0) |
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| 17:30.26 | morten | "Write programs that do one thing and do it well." |
| 17:30.27 | rockstar_ | X is the variable |
| 17:30.32 | morten | Do what degree does Debian stick to this? |
| 17:30.44 | abrotman | morten: for what? it's packages? |
| 17:30.47 | abrotman | its packages |
| 17:30.52 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite me |
| 17:31.04 | morten | for everything, abrotman |
| 17:31.07 | morten | but yea, sure, it's packages |
| 17:31.13 | ricky_clarkson | morten: Debian doesn't really write programs much. |
| 17:31.13 | morten | its :( |
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| 17:31.19 | rockstar_ | morten, That's pretty broad. debian isn't really the main "program" writer for it's linux apps. |
| 17:31.23 | abrotman | morten: we'll .. they're packages .. |
| 17:31.36 | addgg | okay. I will run this command again, it means logging off here and coming back in a second |
| 17:31.39 | morten | okay...then to what degree is it adhered to by those who make debian packages? |
| 17:31.55 | ricky_clarkson | morten: Individual packages do different things to each other, e.g., ls follows the UNIX philosophy, and Konqueror doesn't, but that's not Debian's doing. |
| 17:32.08 | rockstar_ | morten, It would be better to ask that for the specific packages you want to install. |
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| 17:32.16 | ricky_clarkson | morten: Making a Debian package isn't like writing a program. |
| 17:32.20 | morten | ricky_clarkson: rite. |
| 17:32.39 | morten | how so? |
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| 17:32.44 | blondie | morten: wrong rite |
| 17:32.47 | blondie | or right |
| 17:32.50 | stew | RichiH: how long does it take for nickserv to unlink an unused /nick? |
| 17:32.50 | abrotman | ~mg |
| 17:32.50 | apt | A suite of programs for compressing and indexing text and images.. URL: http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/mg/ |
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| 17:33.02 | abrotman | eh .. wtf |
| 17:33.13 | morten | blondie: not rite? |
| 17:33.28 | blondie | morten: rite != right |
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| 17:33.32 | blondie | right? :P |
| 17:33.36 | ricky_clarkson | stew: You can ask for an unused nick to be unlinked, iirc. |
| 17:33.48 | morten | blondie: rong |
| 17:33.56 | stew | ricky_clarkson: oh but it might not happen automatically? |
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| 17:34.19 | ricky_clarkson | It does for channels but not nicks, iirc. |
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| 17:34.34 | jlaw | morten, it worked fine btw |
| 17:34.45 | morten | jlaw: upgrading to testing? |
| 17:34.53 | blondie | morten: yes mother! |
| 17:34.54 | morten | you know, i don't recommend doing that. but it's your choice. |
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| 17:35.00 | jlaw | morten, updrading to testing^^ |
| 17:35.00 | TolstoyInLove | did any one heare too help me about correct tasksel? :( |
| 17:35.19 | morten | jlaw: you left before i had time to tell you not to do that. |
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| 17:36.08 | jlaw | morten, lol ... i would have done it even if you had told me ... i've running testing on my other machine and i want it on this laptop too |
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| 17:36.31 | morten | jlaw: ok. if you feel comfortable with it. |
| 17:36.48 | jlaw | morten, there are so many programs available over apt in testing that it is much more comfortable for me |
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| 17:37.07 | jlaw | morten, just some examples: oo2, spe, drpython, irssi ... |
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| 17:38.05 | jlaw | morten, and till now i have not experienced unsolveable problems |
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| 17:39.31 | jlaw | the only reason i had not installed testing on the laptop right from start was that it's cd drive is broken and so i had to use 3 disks to start setup, where i had no choice but installing stable |
| 17:39.32 | adggg | No dice!! I can't get network |
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| 17:39.46 | jlaw | hey adggg, did it work? |
| 17:39.47 | tty54 | is there a package in debian which includes all the build utilities such as automake, autoconf, libtool |
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| 17:40.04 | adggg | dhclient eth0 tells me sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 |
| 17:40.15 | adggg | jlaw: I've made some progress |
| 17:40.20 | abrotman | tty54: build-essential |
| 17:40.24 | jlaw | adggg, nice |
| 17:40.26 | adggg | jlaw: minimal install is done, but can't get a network |
| 17:40.52 | tty54 | abrotman, it says i already have that installed, but i dont have automake, autoconf |
| 17:41.00 | morten | jlaw: there's a lot of stuff only available in testing. i just recommend using those packages available in stable whenever possible. |
| 17:41.01 | adggg | playing around with Edit /etc/network/interfaces doesn't seem to work |
| 17:41.17 | abrotman | there is backports.org |
| 17:41.20 | Buchannon | WTF? for some reason my apt-get can't connect to any of the sources in my sources.list file. What I dont get is the machine right next to it has the same exact list and doesn't have any problems |
| 17:41.32 | abrotman | Buchannon: does DNS work at all? |
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| 17:41.46 | Buchannon | abrotman: how do I test that? |
| 17:41.46 | jlaw | adggg, well maybe working comes in more handy than playing^^ |
| 17:41.58 | abrotman | Buchannon: nslookup |
| 17:42.17 | adggg | jlaw: indeed it does |
| 17:42.26 | jlaw | brb |
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| 17:42.42 | Buchannon | abrotman: nope it's not |
| 17:43.05 | abrotman | Buchannon: there's your problem |
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| 17:43.08 | Buchannon | abrotman: timing out... so it's some kind of network related problem right? I can get emails alright... |
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| 17:43.44 | tty54 | abrotman, how can I get a package and all of it's suggested packages? |
| 17:43.49 | hramrach | morten: which is discouraged by most people. Everybody keeps telling me that either stable or testing but not both :P |
| 17:44.20 | abrotman | tty54: i think you use aptitude |
| 17:44.27 | Buchannon | abrotman: sorry I guess I still dont understand... what is the problem? |
| 17:44.42 | abrotman | Buchannon: if you type `nslookup www.google.com` .. what happens ? |
| 17:44.43 | zOap | why are there people here still? I thought we switched server today? |
| 17:44.51 | tty54 | abrotman, i do, but it just lists all of the suggestions and says: these package will NOT be installed |
| 17:44.54 | fas3r | nobody know if the 3d for ati igp 9000 and igp 91000 work on the ati's driver ? |
| 17:44.59 | Buchannon | abrotman: it just times out |
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| 17:45.12 | abrotman | Buchannon: so fix your DNS |
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| 17:45.31 | XandriX | should i go for debian testing on my acer aspire 3613 wlmi |
| 17:45.33 | XandriX | > |
| 17:45.35 | XandriX | ? |
| 17:45.42 | tty54 | XandriX, yes |
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| 17:45.55 | ma3x | what do I need to install to be able to run win-software CDs? |
| 17:45.56 | ma3x | wine? |
| 17:46.13 | zOap | yes ma3x |
| 17:46.13 | XandriX | thx tty54 |
| 17:46.19 | jlaw | ma3x, i would not rely on that |
| 17:46.21 | tty54 | XandriX, np |
| 17:46.30 | abrotman | fas3r: ask #ati |
| 17:46.40 | ma3x | jlaw, why not? |
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| 17:46.52 | jlaw | ma3x, wine is pretty buggy |
| 17:46.54 | ma3x | zOap, and what else, wine-tools or something? |
| 17:46.55 | XandriX | tty54, why in gods name is there more hten one dvd iso :S |
| 17:47.00 | ma3x | does wine take much space? |
| 17:47.02 | Buchannon | abrotman: well I dont know how I screwed my DNS up, or how to fix it... could you point me to a link and I'll be happy to read about what I need to do... |
| 17:47.03 | ma3x | like 100 MB? |
| 17:47.19 | ramiroec | ma3x : windows .....xD |
| 17:47.22 | XandriX | tty54, i cant download all that in a day lol |
| 17:47.22 | abrotman | Buchannon: do you use DHCP or fixed addresses? |
| 17:47.23 | tty54 | XandriX, do a network install |
| 17:47.25 | jlaw | ma3x, no it's smaller, but i don't know exactly |
| 17:47.31 | Buchannon | abrotman: static IP |
| 17:47.31 | XandriX | tty54, how i dont have another deb box |
| 17:47.42 | zOap | ma3x, not all software are supported under wine. some do, and some don't you have to try. Visit their homepage and wine-tools homepage and read up on your software |
| 17:47.52 | abrotman | Buchannon: is there anything in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 17:47.52 | fas3r | ok thank abrotman i didn't know they are ati channel |
| 17:47.58 | zOap | ma3x, or maybe find an equvialent native linux progr |
| 17:48.03 | XandriX | tty54, ? |
| 17:48.06 | tty54 | XandriX, get the etch network install iso, and it will download packages off debian repositories as you install |
| 17:48.07 | Buchannon | abrotman: nope |
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| 17:48.19 | abrotman | Buchannon: and on the working box ? |
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| 17:48.43 | XandriX | tty54, but what if i have only blank dvds and no cd's |
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| 17:49.04 | Buchannon | abrotman: one sec, I just restarted it - the working one |
| 17:49.05 | tty54 | XandriX, just burn the netork install on the dvd, it will work |
| 17:49.10 | krassy1809 | abortman:Why when i type /msg dpkg testing security - nothing hapens ? |
| 17:49.16 | abrotman | krassy1809: dead bot ... |
| 17:49.17 | bananafly | I'm screwed again |
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| 17:49.28 | abrotman | krassy1809: moment |
| 17:49.29 | jlaw | ma3x, if you have the small change get a virtual machine and install windows on it !-) |
| 17:49.30 | bananafly | grub deleted my win partition somehow (again) |
| 17:49.40 | bananafly | is there anyway i can get it back? |
| 17:49.47 | zOap | abrotman = abortman :D haha, lollers |
| 17:49.53 | abrotman | krassy1809: Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
| 17:49.55 | neoxan_ | hm |
| 17:50.01 | abrotman | zOap: i highlight on it .. it's common |
| 17:50.01 | bananafly | it did this the last time i tried installing debian too :( |
| 17:50.13 | neoxan_ | zOap, dont laugh about abrotman! |
| 17:50.15 | neoxan_ | :( |
| 17:50.21 | zOap | abrotman, hehe, I bet it is |
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| 17:50.59 | adggg2 | grrrrrr |
| 17:51.07 | XandriX | tty54, and ill be able to get testing |
| 17:51.07 | adggg2 | nothing seems to be working |
| 17:51.18 | Buchannon | abrotman: yeah there is some junk in /etc/resolv.conf - nameserver and such... |
| 17:51.23 | adggg2 | I can't get it to recognize the network |
| 17:51.28 | adggg2 | grrrr |
| 17:51.28 | Buchannon | abrotman: so I need that in my other comp's /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 17:51.30 | krassy1809 | abortman:thx , will bot work now for other questions ? |
| 17:51.38 | abrotman | Buchannon: anyting that says like "server 192.52.43.34" ? |
| 17:51.46 | abrotman | krassy1809: nope .. the bot is sleeping |
| 17:52.08 | Vasistha | dpkg: hi |
| 17:52.09 | Buchannon | abrotman: yeah, I have 2 different nameserver xx.xx.xx.xxx |
| 17:52.13 | tty54 | XandriX, yah |
| 17:52.15 | Vasistha | :-( |
| 17:52.19 | abrotman | Buchannon: add those on the non-working machine |
| 17:52.28 | abrotman | apt: wake up |
| 17:52.28 | apt | abrotman: I'm already awake! :) |
| 17:52.29 | XandriX | tty54, good :) |
| 17:52.39 | abrotman | too bad apt's DB is so out of date |
| 17:52.42 | RichiH | stew: that is done manually by staff |
| 17:52.48 | asg | abrotman: the bot is just selectivly hating you |
| 17:52.55 | abrotman | go figure |
| 17:52.55 | Buchannon | abrotman: ok, 2 questions, how did they get erased from the non-working comp, and how do I add them, it says I can't do it manually because they will be overwritten |
| 17:53.00 | RichiH | stew: the nick needs to be unused for langer than 60 days |
| 17:54.01 | bananafly | is there something that can help me rewrite my partition tables? |
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| 17:54.13 | bananafly | grub fucked them up |
| 17:54.27 | threw | hi |
| 17:54.32 | Buchannon | abrotman: well thanks a ton man, I just copied it into there and apt is working again |
| 17:54.42 | peppet | bananafly: grub doesn't touch partitions |
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| 17:54.54 | jlaw | bananafly, grub does not touch the partition table ... it just changes the mbr |
| 17:55.00 | bananafly | well, grub can't read it properly then |
| 17:55.06 | callee | anyone running xorg-7 with i915 graphics and 3d acceleration? |
| 17:55.08 | abrotman | Buchannon: yay |
| 17:55.10 | bananafly | cuz i can't see my win partition anymore |
| 17:55.15 | bananafly | and it does not boot |
| 17:55.17 | bananafly | with grub |
| 17:55.18 | abrotman | callee: see the Wiki .. didn't i already point you there? |
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| 17:55.24 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 17:55.43 | Buchannon | abrotman: how come it was erased? it was working fine until like a day ago... |
| 17:55.48 | callee | abrotman: you did, and i did what the wiki suggested but only result so far is reproducible crash on xorg start |
| 17:55.49 | jlaw | bananfly, define "can't see" ... can't see in the grub menu? can't see in the partition table? |
| 17:55.51 | Buchannon | abrotman: how come it was erased? it was working fine until like a day ago |
| 17:55.55 | abrotman | Buchannon: no idea .. not my machine :) |
| 17:55.56 | peppet | bananafly: haven't you a fat/ntfs partition? |
| 17:55.57 | Buchannon | abrotman: opps sorry |
| 17:56.04 | SonnyBurnett | !vfatrw |
| 17:56.09 | Buchannon | abrotman: heh ok thanks |
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| 17:56.11 | SonnyBurnett | is dpkg working? |
| 17:56.14 | adggg2 | maybe this is the problem???? "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource or Device Busy, " ???? |
| 17:56.15 | abrotman | callee: oh |
| 17:56.17 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: no |
| 17:56.19 | bananafly | I've got 2 partitions on my first disk, one FAT recovery thing, wich i can mount, and one NTFS WinXP that i can't mount, boot and it's not in /dev/ |
| 17:56.25 | stew | join #debian |
| 17:56.28 | stew | err |
| 17:56.29 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS w |
| 17:56.30 | abrotman | ith Linux).. |
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| 17:56.38 | abrotman | stew: you're already here! |
| 17:56.45 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, thanks |
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| 17:57.01 | javixBSD | suicida, hi man |
| 17:57.08 | stew | abrotman: i'm again tricking myself into thiking i can manage a split screen in irssi |
| 17:57.09 | jlaw | bananafly ... it's normal you can't mount ntfs ... you'll have to compile ntfs support into the kernel in order to do that |
| 17:57.22 | abrotman | stew: you tell yourself anything you want :) |
| 17:57.26 | bananafly | i can mount my USB NTFS disk |
| 17:57.27 | asg | stew: like Operation, it takes a very steady hand |
| 17:57.36 | bananafly | so that's not the problem |
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| 17:57.58 | main | Hi. |
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| 17:58.12 | thingfish | what could happen to your firefox bookmarks such that the bookmarks list doesn't appear anymore when I click on the Bookmarks menu item? Plus ff hangs for a while. This started happening just this morning, and it's happening in windows and in debian. |
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| 17:58.22 | jlaw | bananafly, start cfdisk and look if all partitions are listed |
| 17:58.22 | main | !acronym OFTC |
| 17:58.42 | asg | thingfish: did it update? If so, did you stop and restart firefox as instructed? |
| 17:58.45 | main | I have a question. |
| 17:59.04 | thingfish | asg: yes, to 1.5.0.4 and yes. |
| 17:59.06 | asg | :8ball do you have the answer |
| 17:59.09 | asg | bah |
| 17:59.12 | Vasistha | main: feel free to just ask |
| 17:59.13 | abrotman | main: just ask |
| 17:59.13 | asg | !8ball do you have the answer |
| 17:59.16 | kippi | i am geting this error when doing ifup eth0, couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interface" but the file is there |
| 17:59.18 | kippi | any ideas |
| 17:59.19 | thingfish | asg: this is happening with 1.5.0.3 as well, in linux. |
| 17:59.28 | gnufan | main: I have an answer -- lets hope they match ;) |
| 17:59.30 | asg | thingfish: does it also work with a fresh temp user? |
| 17:59.35 | thingfish | asg: yep |
| 17:59.37 | abrotman | sussudio: ping! |
| 17:59.40 | Vasistha | gnufan: haha |
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| 17:59.45 | main | I have a question. |
| 17:59.46 | bananafly | jlaw: got some error about not being able to open a disk |
| 17:59.48 | main | Sorry. |
| 17:59.50 | asg | main: then fucking ask it |
| 17:59.52 | thingfish | asg: bad link maybe? |
| 18:00.00 | main | Trying to remember my question after starting up irssi. :\ |
| 18:00.02 | asg | thingfish: dunno, perhaps |
| 18:00.09 | jlaw | bananafly, you got that error when starting cfdisk? |
| 18:00.11 | SonnyBurnett | Is there something like the robot "dpkg" to use in my console? |
| 18:00.18 | main | Oh yeah! |
| 18:00.19 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: to find what? |
| 18:00.22 | asg | SonnyBurnett: /topic #debian-bots |
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| 18:00.38 | Vasistha | main: please just ask... we don't need to hear the gory details |
| 18:00.39 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, the same help that dpkg bot gives |
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| 18:00.47 | bananafly | jlaw: yes |
| 18:00.52 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: like what? |
| 18:00.52 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, but using it from my console |
| 18:00.59 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: dpkg knows thousands of things |
| 18:01.00 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, like "vfatrw" |
| 18:01.08 | abrotman | you can read tldp.org ? |
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| 18:01.22 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, yeah! thats the reaso why I want him to be with me every day :p |
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| 18:01.28 | jlaw | bananafly, then just use fdisk |
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| 18:01.38 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ |
| 18:01.38 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, reason because* |
| 18:01.45 | addgg | getting killed by SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy, can anyone help? |
| 18:01.57 | jlaw | bananafly: fdisk -l |
| 18:02.03 | bananafly | k |
| 18:02.06 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, what is it? |
| 18:02.09 | main | Why is it that when I tap my laptop's trackpad in kernel 2.6.27 it is interpreted as one left click just as it is suppose to work, but when I do the same with kernel 2.6.19, it interprets it as two left clicks. It makes every application start twice. WHAT THE?!?! |
| 18:02.19 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: his database |
| 18:02.30 | krassy1809 | is a difference between apt-get dist-uprade and aptitude dist-upgrade and what is it ? |
| 18:02.43 | bananafly | jlaw: it displays stuff about my USB HDD, wich I can mount already |
| 18:03.00 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, so I have to have it locally? |
| 18:03.02 | jlaw | bananafly, does it list your partitions? |
| 18:03.06 | main | Why does my trackpad not function as well with a newer version of the kernel FFS? |
| 18:03.13 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: you can use that recent dump if you want |
| 18:03.20 | bananafly | jlaw: uhm, only one, sdc1 |
| 18:03.26 | bananafly | that's the only one on that disk |
| 18:03.36 | yang | I have these packages installed: gcc-4.0, gcc-4.0-base, gcc-4.1-base, libgcc - if i try to remove ANY of those it says the system can get broken... |
| 18:03.37 | asg | main: remove one of the 2 entries for the mouse in your X config |
| 18:03.37 | yang | so how do i remove compiler |
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| 18:04.19 | jlaw | bananafly ... weird, is the other disk maybe not supported by your distro by what reason ever? |
| 18:04.41 | gnufan | yang: remove the gcc-4.0 package but not the base -- |
| 18:04.46 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, I want to use the latest database always, like I just exevcute in may console: "$dpkg vfatrw" and it connects to the database (remote) and gives me the answer, it's just an example... is that possible? |
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| 18:05.02 | threw | i have a little problem: i try to upgrade my sarge to testing. after a reboot, my network connection didnt work. i do lspci and lsmod on both system: on both system, my Ethernet card is recognized (lspci), but usbnet "modul" (first column of lsmod) who is needed by cdc_ether driver has been "deleted" from testing system (lsmod). and in testing system, in the third column of usbcore there isnt "cdc_ether, usbnet" driver whereas in sa |
| 18:05.08 | bananafly | jlaw: no, I have two identical, one with osx and linux and one with the two Win partitions |
| 18:05.34 | bananafly | and i can find both disks, only that partition is gone |
| 18:05.39 | jlaw | bananafly, apt-get the program "testdisk" it should list everything and you can also use it to fix the partitiontable if it's broken |
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| 18:05.56 | Vasistha | SonnyBurnett: I don't think so. I don't think it's a publicly-connectable database |
| 18:06.18 | Vasistha | SonnyBurnett: ...but abrotman would know better than I |
| 18:06.20 | peppet | bananafly: try fdisk -l /dev/sdd |
| 18:06.23 | asg | Vasistha: it is |
| 18:06.37 | bananafly | peppet: nothing |
| 18:06.39 | gnufan | SonnyBurnett: yes, there is a web interface to the factoids, a little work with wget and a shell function, and you are away |
| 18:06.42 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: you'd have to write a script to grab the newest and always put it in |
| 18:06.51 | asg | SonnyBurnett: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/apt_dump.gz |
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| 18:06.58 | main | Done. |
| 18:07.03 | main | Thank you ang. |
| 18:07.07 | Franky6 | hi, i've a problem with sound : my s.c. outputs sound only from lineout (and outputs mostly NOISE than sound) how can i fix this ? |
| 18:07.20 | main | I removed the entry for the Generic Mouse. |
| 18:07.25 | Vasistha | Franky6: hmm, try a different output device? |
| 18:07.26 | skugg | after doing security upgrade of mysql just now mysql refuses to start. |
| 18:07.27 | asg | main: you're welcome |
| 18:07.33 | skugg | this is a problem for me. |
| 18:07.46 | Vasistha | main: is it working in both 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 18:07.46 | Franky6 | u mean changing the soundcard ? |
| 18:07.49 | asg | skugg: check /var/log/syslog to see if any errors occured |
| 18:07.56 | main | Finally a solution to this problem I have been dealing with for almost a year. :) |
| 18:08.08 | asg | main: cripes, I would have killed myself before then :) |
| 18:08.24 | skugg | asg: only thing I can see is: /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown variable 'old_passwords=1' |
| 18:08.24 | Vasistha | Franky6: no, I mean err... not a different output device, but a different sound driver, or ... er... sound daemon, or whatever :-) |
| 18:08.27 | jlaw | !tell bananafly -about testdisk |
| 18:08.38 | bananafly | jlaw: testdisk doesn't exist |
| 18:08.40 | asg | skugg: is this on sarge or etch/sid? |
| 18:08.46 | Franky6 | it's the same with both alsa and oss |
| 18:08.56 | skugg | asg: mostly sarge but a few packages on etch/sid |
| 18:08.57 | Franky6 | my .s.c. outputs only to lineout |
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| 18:09.02 | addgg | Debian is telling me I have an IRQ conflict with my ethernet controller, how do I fix that???? |
| 18:09.07 | Franky6 | while it woks fine in redmond |
| 18:09.07 | asg | skugg: are any of those packages mysql related? |
| 18:09.10 | threw | annyone has an idea for my problem please ? |
| 18:09.10 | Franky6 | ;-( |
| 18:09.24 | Vasistha | Franky6: patience, patience... |
| 18:09.25 | skugg | asg: I doubt it. I'll check. |
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| 18:09.32 | jlaw | bananafly, it exists for sure. but i'm using debian testing. maybe it's not listed in your stable!? |
| 18:09.45 | Franky6 | <Vasistha> ? |
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| 18:09.59 | sponzor | do i nead all 14 cds to install debian? |
| 18:10.05 | asg | sponzor: no |
| 18:10.06 | bananafly | jlaw: maybe not :/ |
| 18:10.07 | abrotman | sponzor: nope .. just the netinst |
| 18:10.16 | asg | sponzor: depending on your setup, you can use 2 floppies if you wish |
| 18:10.17 | main | sponzor: It depends. You may. |
| 18:10.19 | skugg | asg: apt-show-versions is reporting: mysql-common 5.0.21-3 newer than version in archive |
| 18:10.27 | skugg | that could be the culprit... |
| 18:10.42 | asg | skugg: well, if you have etch/sid sources, it would show that. What does apt-cache policy mysql-server say? |
| 18:10.44 | main | sponzor: Do you have an Internet connection? |
| 18:10.52 | bananafly | jlaw: is this it: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk ? |
| 18:11.14 | jlaw | bananafly, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list from stable to testing and try to apt-get it, then undo the change |
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| 18:11.33 | asg | bananafly: have you looked at backports? |
| 18:11.37 | jlaw | wait a sec |
| 18:11.41 | skugg | asg: is there a pastebot or do you want it in privmsg? |
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| 18:11.51 | E0x | hi guys |
| 18:11.53 | asg | ~paster |
| 18:11.54 | apt | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 18:11.56 | E0x | had somebody see this error |
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| 18:11.57 | asg | skugg: ^^ |
| 18:12.09 | E0x | files list file for package `libuuid1' is missing final newline |
| 18:12.14 | E0x | making a dist-upgrade |
| 18:12.14 | E0x | ? |
| 18:12.21 | Franky6 | hi, i've a problem with sound : my s.c. outputs sound only from lineout (and outputs mostly NOISE than sound) how can i fix this ? |
| 18:12.23 | asg | E0x: sarge, etch, or sid? |
| 18:12.29 | E0x | asg: sarge |
| 18:12.32 | E0x | asg: i mean, sorry |
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| 18:12.36 | E0x | asg: is unstable |
| 18:12.41 | asg | E0x: start with the bts |
| 18:13.02 | E0x | asg: ? |
| 18:13.08 | asg | ~btssmite E0x |
| 18:13.12 | jlaw | damn ... i'm late |
| 18:13.13 | main | I figured why my laptop's battery wasn't working. I forgot to put it back in the laptop. |
| 18:13.21 | asg | E0x: bugs.debian.org |
| 18:13.22 | Vasistha | Franky6: first, don't repeat your question so quickly -- people will get annoyed. Second, make sure you specify that you have tried both ALSA and OSS when you ask.. Third, have you tried the full variety of sound services available via a control panel/ |
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| 18:13.29 | E0x | asg: hm, ok thanks |
| 18:13.36 | jlaw | bananafly, sorry, i'm in a hurry and have to go |
| 18:13.37 | skugg | hm. pastebot is slow, so... http://channels.debian.net/paste/2737 |
| 18:13.40 | Vasistha | main: that's what we call a user error ;-) |
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| 18:13.50 | Franky6 | tried all these things |
| 18:13.50 | asg | E0x: if no bug exists, file one. Then hack the pre/post inst/rm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info for the package. |
| 18:14.20 | main | Vasistha: :\ |
| 18:14.25 | janez | dpkg is working? |
| 18:14.31 | Vasistha | Franky6: have you done a google.com/linux search for your specific computer or sound card? |
| 18:14.34 | sponzor | uf |
| 18:14.37 | krassy1809 | dpkg:wake up |
| 18:14.43 | Franky6 | yes and it says it's 100% supported |
| 18:14.53 | eSa| | hi |
| 18:14.58 | Vasistha | main: :-) hehe I've made them too, this one time I had the darndest time getting this router working, I even called support... I just had the darn cables backwards |
| 18:15.03 | Franky6 | btw it's an Yamaha XWAVE with ESS1988 chip |
| 18:15.05 | janez | dpkg is not working |
| 18:15.09 | Franky6 | (Allegro-1) |
| 18:15.09 | sponzor | i dont have internet. yust how many cds that i install a good workplace... becose as i know in other linux distros you dont nead all cds |
| 18:15.14 | sponzor | and here are like 15 cds :S |
| 18:15.37 | Franky6 | sponzor u need just nr 1. |
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| 18:15.48 | Vasistha | Franky6: hmm, I think I have an ESS chip, I had to do something special to get it working. google.com/linux for ess1988 |
| 18:15.49 | eSa| | is dpkg-reconfigure <package> equivalent to apt-get --reinstall install <package_name> ? |
| 18:15.54 | sponzor | hmm ok |
| 18:15.55 | gnufan | We need a backup dpkg bot that says "Sorry I'm busy" when dpkg is dead..... |
| 18:16.04 | janez | dpkg is dead :( |
| 18:16.06 | E0x | asg: i did not find the error |
| 18:16.10 | SlayerXP | gnufan: thanks for volunteering. |
| 18:16.14 | abrotman | eSa|: no |
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| 18:16.19 | Vasistha | Franky6: but mine wouldn't work at all, you've at least got crappy unusable sound, I had none, and an error message :-) |
| 18:16.20 | E0x | asg: another suggestion ? i think the problem is that i have a corrupted database how can i fix that ? |
| 18:16.21 | tty54 | is there a package which includes all the X11 dev libs |
| 18:16.31 | skugg | asg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2737 |
| 18:16.34 | gnufan | eSa|: no -- reconfigure can do more -- there is at least one package that always needs reconfiguring after install. |
| 18:16.37 | Vasistha | tty54: maybe x11-dev ? |
| 18:16.45 | Vasistha | tty54: might be a virtual package |
| 18:16.45 | sponzor | if i install only from cd1 do i have there kde... adsl programs... etc... that i nead. basic programs.. |
| 18:16.50 | janez | how i can get info about marillat.sid mirror? |
| 18:17.03 | Vasistha | janez: go to debian-multimedia.org |
| 18:17.05 | abrotman | janez: http://ftp.nerim.net/ ? |
| 18:17.07 | tabris|away | it moved to www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 18:17.10 | gnufan | SlayerXP: my machine sits here all the time, could run dpkg fine I'm sure |
| 18:17.13 | Franky6 | <Vasistha> btw do u know what "Docked Speakers" means ? |
| 18:17.24 | abrotman | gnufan: there is one |
| 18:17.31 | abrotman | sussudio: BADGERS! |
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| 18:17.58 | Vasistha | Franky6: I've got a laptop... don't remember seeing that anywhere |
| 18:18.19 | main | There. Only rxvt is started when I click the icon. :) |
| 18:18.23 | addgg | maybe I have a kernel problem with this machine? |
| 18:18.25 | tty54 | abrotman, what package is the x11 libs (dev) |
| 18:18.51 | main | If I had fixed this about a year ago I would have saved myself a lot of hair pulling. |
| 18:18.55 | Franky6 | sponzor for dsl (if don't 've an ethernet adapter) u'll need modem-specific drivers (they're not on the other cd anyway) |
| 18:18.59 | limpio | Does apt-cache show <package> shows weight installed in kb???????? |
| 18:19.00 | eSa| | thank you. I will digg in the manual to learn more |
| 18:19.08 | abrotman | tty54: for which version ? |
| 18:19.18 | sponzor | ok |
| 18:20.02 | tty54 | abrotman, 7.0 (etch) |
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| 18:20.20 | abrotman | tty54: depends what you're looking for |
| 18:20.31 | tty54 | abrotman, the libs |
| 18:20.40 | Franky6 | how do i make alsa use a module different from snd-maestro3 |
| 18:20.41 | Franky6 | ? |
| 18:21.03 | dos000 | is there a way i can recover one of the config file that came with a .deb whithout purging ? i midified something and need to go back. |
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| 18:21.34 | simonrvn | abrotman: no, RB is just down for now due to hardware issues |
| 18:22.45 | Buchannon | if I install something with apt-get, then remove it with apt-get remove <package name> how come it only gets rid of that one package instead of getting rid of everything that came with it on install |
| 18:22.51 | abrotman | simonrvn: oh ok |
| 18:23.04 | gnufan | dos000: me I'd just rename the file, uninstall and reinstall without purge -- but there is probably a subtler way |
| 18:23.40 | simonrvn | abrotman: i'll be adding oftc to its server join list |
| 18:23.47 | abrotman | if it ever runs again! |
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| 18:23.52 | slaker | hi |
| 18:24.00 | slaker | repository java debian sarge plis! |
| 18:24.02 | dos000 | gnufan, where are all the .deb ? i can mybe extract it from there |
| 18:24.02 | slaker | ? |
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| 18:25.14 | gnufan | dos000: /var/cache/apt/archive if it wasn't purged -- I think there is a dpkg one somewhere as well. |
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| 18:25.22 | Gnurdux | can someone fix the deps for tightvncserver so that it doesn't get removed when I upgrade? |
| 18:25.54 | Vasistha | gnufan: dpkg can install a .deb from anywhere on your fs, it doesn't look in a specific place |
| 18:26.07 | Vasistha | Gnurdux: are you using aptitude? |
| 18:26.13 | Gnurdux | Vasistha, apt-get |
| 18:26.26 | Gnurdux | when i do apt-get dist-upgrade, it says it will remove tightvncserver |
| 18:26.43 | Gnurdux | because xserver-common was eliminated |
| 18:26.50 | dos000 | gnufan, thanks |
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| 18:27.24 | dos000 | ok .. got it. |
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| 18:28.18 | dos000 | it looks like the default install of racoon assumes you are using the direct mode even if you say use racoon-tool in dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:28.25 | dos000 | this is for sarge |
| 18:28.42 | Gnurdux | Vasistha, ... |
| 18:29.47 | Vasistha | Gnurdux: I don't know how to help you, but thought I would ask that tidbit. Maybe you'll be able to set it up again after the dist-upgrade |
| 18:29.56 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 18:29.59 | Gnurdux | but if i cant... |
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| 18:30.14 | Vasistha | Gnurdux: ...it's not very easy to undo a dist-upgrade |
| 18:30.17 | E0x | can i make a downgrade |
| 18:30.19 | E0x | or something ? |
| 18:30.44 | Gnurdux | yea |
| 18:30.46 | asg | E0x: snapshot.debian.net (for individual packages) |
| 18:31.01 | gnufan | Gnurdux: this looks like debian bug 362516 -- hmm listed as fixed... hmm |
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| 18:31.07 | Gnurdux | Vasistha, its caused by a dependency problem with a package REMOVED from debian |
| 18:31.10 | asg | E0x: you cannot reliably downgrade the OS though |
| 18:31.12 | Gnurdux | gnufan, maybe in unstable |
| 18:31.35 | E0x | asg: im trying to go back to stable |
| 18:31.47 | E0x | asg: libuuid1 is broken |
| 18:31.51 | E0x | and dpkg dosen't let me install anything |
| 18:32.00 | Gnurdux | The newest dist-upgrade removes tightvncserver because of its dependency |
| 18:32.00 | Gnurdux | on xserver-common which itself became replaced by the new xserver-xorg |
| 18:32.00 | Gnurdux | package. |
| 18:32.03 | Gnurdux | yeup |
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| 18:32.09 | asg | E0x: just download the previous version from snapshot.debian.net and 'dpkg -i' it. |
| 18:32.10 | Gnurdux | sry |
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| 18:32.15 | Gnurdux | but thats certainly it |
| 18:32.39 | asg | E0x: if things are really broken, hack the pre/post inst/rm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info for libuuid1 |
| 18:32.47 | Vasistha | Gnurdux: looking on p.d.o it appears that tightvnc is dependent xserver-common, which is dependent upon x11-common (>-6.8.1) - X.org infrastructure |
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| 18:32.56 | Gnurdux | it needs to be put into testing |
| 18:33.00 | asg | E0x: putting 'exit 0' after the shebang line will generally get you out of the loop. |
| 18:33.00 | Vasistha | ">=" |
| 18:33.11 | E0x | asg: ok let me try |
| 18:33.24 | Gnurdux | Vasistha, xserver-common got taken out |
| 18:33.28 | gnufan | Gnurdux: the maintainer is part of the QA team -- I'm guessing he knows that ;) |
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| 18:34.09 | kimberly` | Hi, can anyone help me to install a newer stable kernel version for debian ? |
| 18:34.17 | Gnurdux | all that needs to happen is for the latest tightvnc with its dependencies updated to go into testing :P how long will it take for it to happen? |
| 18:34.20 | Buchannon | if I install something with apt-get, then remove it with apt-get remove <package name> how come it only gets rid of that one package instead of getting rid of everything that came with it on install |
| 18:34.34 | Gnurdux | Buchannon, because APT doesn't remember that stuff |
| 18:34.36 | asg | kimberly`: are you running stable? |
| 18:34.38 | Buchannon | abrotman: ya there? |
| 18:34.44 | kimberly` | asg: yes |
| 18:34.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:34.52 | Gnurdux | i always save lists of files installed by APT when it goes |
| 18:34.58 | asg | kimberly`: does the 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 kernel work correctly? |
| 18:35.03 | abrotman | Buchannon: use aptitude from now on |
| 18:35.07 | Buchannon | abrotman: well I just restarted my comp that wasn't working, and it wrote over the resolv.conf file to make it blank again... how can I make it perminent? |
| 18:35.12 | addgg | it can't be this difficult to get debian installed, can it? |
| 18:35.14 | Vasistha | Gnurdux: have you done apt-get update recently, with the etch repositories? |
| 18:35.17 | abrotman | Buchannon: find out why it's being overwritten |
| 18:35.17 | Gnurdux | abauer, does aptitude fix that? |
| 18:35.23 | Gnurdux | Vasistha, not that recently |
| 18:35.25 | Gnurdux | wait yes |
| 18:35.26 | Gnurdux | i did |
| 18:35.29 | gnufan | Gnurdux: it doesn't build in ia64 apparently -- sounds very fixable -- you have an ia64 box? |
| 18:35.32 | kimberly` | asg: I got 2.4.27-2-386, but my friends tell me this kernel is not so good.. i should take a newer one :/ |
| 18:35.35 | asg | addgg: generally not but certain hardware doesn't often cooperate |
| 18:35.35 | Gnurdux | i did apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:35.36 | Vasistha | addgg: I wouldn't say "can't", but it "shouldn't" be ;-) |
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| 18:35.57 | Gnurdux | gnufan, no, a i386 (P4) |
| 18:36.07 | Buchannon | abrotman: Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 18:36.11 | asg | kimberly`: that kernel has backported security fixes and is perfectly good |
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| 18:36.14 | abrotman | woohoo .. whoever did that |
| 18:36.14 | Buchannon | abrotman: that have something to do with it? |
| 18:36.18 | asg | kimberly`: what do your friends suggest? |
| 18:36.38 | Vasistha | kimberly`: depends what you want. if you have an older box, 2.4 might be better for you, like it is for me. But if your box is built in the last 3 years or so, you might be better off with a 2.6 kernel |
| 18:36.39 | kimberly` | asg: to upgrade it.. |
| 18:37.03 | Gnurdux | i guess ill do apt-get upgrade instead of dist-upgrade for now |
| 18:37.07 | kimberly` | asg: the linux pc is a intel pentium 3.. pretty old |
| 18:37.08 | asg | kimberly`: if it works and supports your hardware, there is no need to upgrade. If you want a 2.6.x series kernel, the 2.6.8 version is sarge is also acceptible. |
| 18:37.19 | asg | kimberly`: pentium 3s are not old :) |
| 18:37.34 | kimberly` | asg this one is the first model of pentium 3 :p |
| 18:37.55 | asg | kimberly`: I still run my gateway on a P/200 |
| 18:38.07 | kimberly` | :) not bad |
| 18:38.18 | kimberly` | but i want to host a website on it.. and i need a bit more power |
| 18:38.28 | Vasistha | kimberly`: I have a pentium II, and I'm using 2.4.27-3-686 |
| 18:38.30 | asg | kimberly`: I host my website on it just fine |
| 18:38.57 | kimberly` | mm :) |
| 18:38.58 | asg | kimberly`: anyway, back to your kernel. The 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 kernels in sarge are stable with backported security fixes. |
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| 18:39.07 | asg | kimberly`: btw, what kernels do your friends use? |
| 18:39.20 | kimberly` | they use 2006 versions |
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| 18:39.30 | kimberly` | i think this version are in testing or smth like that |
| 18:39.34 | kimberly` | because i never had one.. |
| 18:39.50 | kimberly` | how could i install 2.6.8 ? |
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| 18:39.57 | asg | kimberly`: apt-get install kernel-image |
| 18:40.12 | asg | kimberly`: pick and then install the 2.6.8 image for your architecture from the provided list |
| 18:40.22 | kimberly` | :) thankiu asg |
| 18:40.26 | asg | kimberly`: you're more than welcome |
| 18:40.53 | Vasistha | kimberly`: with a PIII you could probably use the 686 kernels. To always get the latest, kernel-image-2.6-686 or kernel-image-2.4-686 |
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| 18:41.16 | Gnurdux | he could certainly do that |
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| 18:41.35 | kimberly` | thanks Vasistha :) |
| 18:41.43 | kimberly` | Gnurdux: she ;) |
| 18:41.48 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 18:41.51 | Vasistha | you're welcome |
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| 18:42.53 | Buchannon | abrotman: sorry, I guess I still need some help. I can't find what is overwriting my resolv.conf file |
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| 18:44.03 | eSa| | are Con Kolivas patches included in current etch kernels? |
| 18:44.09 | abrotman | Buchannon: no ppp or dhcp at all ? |
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| 18:44.23 | skugg | asg: thanks. mysql server started again (for the record, it refused to start because for some reason mysql-common was at version 5, while mysql-server was at version 4...) |
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| 18:44.46 | asg | skugg: ah, glad you got that working |
| 18:44.47 | Buchannon | abrotman: ppp? I know that I have a static ip address in /etc/network/interfaces... |
| 18:44.53 | asg | eSa|: no |
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| 18:45.04 | Vasistha | Buchannon: is it continuously overwriting, or just every once in a while? fuser ... |
| 18:45.18 | Buchannon | abrotman: Vasistha: it's just overwriting when I reboot the comp |
| 18:45.22 | tty54 | what package has all of the xorg libs in it? |
| 18:45.28 | tty54 | the dev libs |
| 18:45.32 | abrotman | something is starting when the machine starts .. it's overwriting that file |
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| 18:45.42 | abrotman | tty54: what file are you looking for ? |
| 18:45.44 | Vasistha | Buchannon: well you could change the permissions and see what complains, hehe |
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| 18:45.54 | tty54 | abrotman, zlib.h |
| 18:46.06 | abrotman | that's not |
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| 18:46.23 | abrotman | tty54: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search zlib.h |
| 18:46.35 | tty54 | abrotman, i just want the development package for x11 |
| 18:46.44 | tty54 | abrotman, the name was mentioned here some time ago |
| 18:46.50 | tty54 | libx-dev or something like that |
| 18:46.54 | asg | x11-dev |
| 18:47.01 | asg | or xlibs-dev |
| 18:47.08 | Buchannon | Vasistha: sorry I'm still pretty new to this... just change the permission for resolv.conf to like nothing, then when I reboot see what gives an error? |
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| 18:47.36 | Vasistha | Buchannon: that was kind of a joke, but it might work. chmod a-w resolve.conf |
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| 18:47.44 | Vasistha | Buchannon: wait, cancel that... |
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| 18:48.00 | abrotman | tty54: that file still isn't in that package |
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| 18:48.08 | abrotman | ~find zlib.h sarge |
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| 18:48.21 | Vasistha | Buchannon: first check the current permissions, they are probably -rw-r--r-- |
| 18:48.26 | tty54 | abrotman, what package? |
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| 18:48.35 | asg | zlib1g-dev |
| 18:48.36 | abrotman | i told you how to find it |
| 18:48.51 | abrotman | if you can't run that simple command .. why should i spoonfeed you ? |
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| 18:49.23 | tty54 | hmm |
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| 18:49.39 | Buchannon | Vasistha: hm.. it says rwxrwxrwx... that is bad right? hehe |
| 18:50.00 | asg | Buchannon: is it a symlink? |
| 18:50.01 | Buchannon | Vasistha: and an l before it, so lrwxrwxrwx |
| 18:50.02 | Vasistha | Buchannon: erm, that's weird. it's not a softlink, is it? |
| 18:50.09 | Vasistha | Buchannon: ahha, that's okay |
| 18:50.21 | Vasistha | Buchannon: it is a symlink. Do ls -lL resolve.conf |
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| 18:50.46 | Buchannon | Vasistha: asg: ah... it's pointing at /etc/resolvconf/run/resolve.conf |
| 18:51.01 | asg | Buchannon: ah, that's the problem. You have resolvconf installed |
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| 18:51.37 | Buchannon | asg: ah, so I can apt-get remove resolveconf and then edit resolv.conf and it will stay? |
| 18:51.51 | asg | Buchannon: yes. Did you install resolvconf yourself? |
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| 18:52.05 | Buchannon | Vasistha: it says no such file or directory when I do that |
| 18:52.20 | Buchannon | asg: not that I remember... I have the same exact installation on another machine and it's working fine |
| 18:52.52 | asg | Buchannon: oh, okay. Well removing it will return your /etc/resolv.conf to being a static non-managed file |
| 18:52.52 | tty54 | anyone here using e17? |
| 18:52.58 | Buchannon | asg: hm.. yeah and I dont have resolvconf on the other machine |
| 18:53.11 | abrotman | tty54: e17 is not in debian |
| 18:53.30 | tty54 | abrotman, oh |
| 18:53.33 | h3sp4wn | tty54: There is a script to build it from cvs |
| 18:53.39 | Buchannon | asg: thanks man... hm.. would apache, mysql, php4, or courier-imap be responsible for doing that? those are the only programs that differ from my other comp |
| 18:53.42 | tty54 | h3sp4wn, yah i know |
| 18:53.51 | tty54 | h3sp4wn, but im missing a bunch of libraries |
| 18:53.51 | asg | Buchannon: do you use aptitude? |
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| 18:54.08 | tty54 | h3sp4wn, and i need to know which ones before I run the script |
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| 18:54.26 | Buchannon | asg: been using apt-get... why is aptitude better/worse? I'm never sure which to use |
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| 18:54.45 | asg | Buchannon: no, aptitude just often installs more junk than the discriminating user needs. |
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| 18:55.09 | asg | Buchannon: apache, mysql, php4, and courier-imap would not have caused it to be installed though |
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| 18:55.17 | Buchannon | asg: ok it's back and working again, thanks man |
| 18:55.24 | asg | Buchannon: you're welcome |
| 18:55.36 | abrotman | asg: many regulars here recommend aptitude to new users |
| 18:55.36 | hramrach | but aptitude knows how to remove the junk again :) |
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| 18:56.31 | imodiris | hello |
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| 18:56.45 | h3sp4wn | tty54: You need build-essential cvs libtool libltdl3-dev automake1.9 autotools-dev libpopt-dev libcurl3-dev libx11-dev x11proto-xext-dev libbz2-dev libid3tag0-dev libpng12-dev libtiff4-dev libungif4-dev libjpeg62-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev bison flex xlibs-dev gettext libimlib2-dev libxml2-dev libxcursor-dev libgtk1.2-dev autoconf pkg-config libpng3-dev (but those are for ubuntu breezy - sarge may not have some of them |
| 18:56.59 | hramrach | how do I make the X scripts run my custom session. I got one in ~/.xsession but xdm does not run it. |
| 18:57.10 | imodiris | excuse my poor english i'm french and i forgot my nick password so i can't log on debian-fr |
| 18:57.22 | imodiris | i've got a problem with my server on debian |
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| 18:57.49 | h3sp4wn | tty54: run it by ./easy_e17.sh -i –skip=emotion,eclair (as root) |
| 18:57.55 | imodiris | when i do an apt-get update or an apt-get install xxx the apt is frozen at 28% |
| 18:58.05 | imodiris | i can't install or update |
| 18:58.13 | abrotman | imodiris: one of the mirrors you chose might be down .. try again |
| 18:58.13 | imodiris | and i don't understand why? |
| 18:58.17 | tty54 | h3sp4wn, im using the get-e.sh script |
| 18:58.23 | tty54 | h3sp4wn, is that one better? |
| 18:58.25 | imodiris | abrotman: since this morning? |
| 18:58.59 | abrotman | it might be .. |
| 18:59.00 | h3sp4wn | tty54: I don't know thats the one I used (either way the dependancies will probably be the same) |
| 18:59.04 | abrotman | imodiris: what are your sources |
| 18:59.08 | abrotman | tty54: ask #e |
| 18:59.16 | tty54 | abrotman, i would...but i got banned |
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| 18:59.20 | abrotman | i wonder why |
| 18:59.30 | tty54 | me too actually |
| 18:59.34 | tty54 | i've never been in there |
| 19:00.02 | imodiris | hermes:~# apt-get update |
| 19:00.02 | imodiris | Atteint http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages |
| 19:00.02 | imodiris | Atteint http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Release |
| 19:00.03 | imodiris | 28% [Attente des fichiers d'en-tête] |
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| 19:00.46 | imodiris | excuse fllood |
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| 19:00.51 | imodiris | excuse fllod |
| 19:01.00 | tty54 | almost |
| 19:01.00 | abrotman | excuse flood |
| 19:01.04 | imodiris | Atteint http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Release |
| 19:01.07 | abrotman | tty54: you've been banned for quite a while |
| 19:01.08 | Buchannon | asg: bleh... I just rebooted it and it's still being overwriten |
| 19:01.12 | imodiris | 28% [Attente des fichiers d'en-tête] |
| 19:01.18 | hramrach | hehe |
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| 19:01.20 | tty54 | abrotman, how do you know? |
| 19:01.21 | hramrach | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/manpages-dev_2.28-1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man3/sem_destroy.3.gz', which is also in package glibc-doc |
| 19:01.29 | abrotman | tty54: cause i'm smarter than you? |
| 19:01.41 | tty54 | lol......................... |
| 19:01.48 | abrotman | oh .. getting hints now |
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| 19:02.05 | abrotman | tty54: basically .. all if illinois is banned from #ed |
| 19:02.06 | abrotman | tty54: basically .. all if illinois is banned from #e |
| 19:02.15 | tty54 | abrotman, ROFL |
| 19:02.16 | abrotman | tty54: at least those using comcast |
| 19:02.17 | tty54 | nice |
| 19:02.26 | Buchannon | asg: it doesn't even say I have resolvconf installed anymore... can I just remove my /etc/resolvconf directory and edit my resolv.conf file myself? |
| 19:02.26 | abrotman | --- #e Banlist: Sun Jun 4 13:37:36 *!*@c-67-175-*.hsd1.il.comcast.net ChanServ!ChanServ@services. |
| 19:02.27 | tty54 | are you suggesting i move to a differnt state? |
| 19:02.46 | abrotman | Buchannon: dpkg -P resolvconf |
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| 19:03.01 | hramrach | tty54: move to Europe :) |
| 19:03.15 | tty54 | hramrach, alright, which part of it |
| 19:03.28 | hramrach | tty54: Iceland :P |
| 19:03.38 | tty54 | hramrach, is the rent cheap there? |
| 19:03.49 | Buchannon | abrotman: hmm that worked again, I'm rebooting to test it again - thanks |
| 19:04.13 | hramrach | I have no idea. Probably not. It is a small island far to the north :) |
| 19:04.27 | tty54 | hramrach, do u think i could stay with you for awhile |
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| 19:04.32 | abrotman | ~u |
| 19:04.32 | apt | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1.. See http://wooledge.org/~greg/uf20041201.png |
| 19:04.38 | tty54 | u |
| 19:04.51 | imodiris | abrotman: here is my paste : http://rafb.net/paste/results/tsaWFT38.html |
| 19:05.09 | hramrach | tty54: well, I am in paragu |
| 19:05.13 | hramrach | Prague |
| 19:05.15 | abrotman | nalioth: do you know the reason behind the ban in #e that bans illinois? |
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| 19:05.27 | abrotman | imodiris: nslookup security.debian.org |
| 19:05.32 | hramrach | Compared to US it is probably cheap here :) |
| 19:05.42 | asg | abrotman: ewww, nslookup is so deprecated |
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| 19:05.51 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. but it's almost always there :) |
| 19:06.02 | abrotman | asg: for something that is deprecated .. it's sure prolific :) |
| 19:06.05 | hramrach | But the internet (dis-)connectivity sucks. |
| 19:06.06 | asg | abrotman: dnsutils, dnsutils |
| 19:06.12 | nalioth | abrotman: i was not aware of that ban |
| 19:06.31 | tty54 | nalioth, do you have op at #e? |
| 19:06.46 | abrotman | nalioth: it's only comcast customers in illinois .. i mean .. i'm not even sure they're computer literate in illinois |
| 19:06.48 | nalioth | i see no bans for .il, i see a ban for a node in .il |
| 19:06.54 | nalioth | abrotman: nah, just one node |
| 19:06.55 | abrotman | --- #e Banlist: Sun Jun 4 13:37:36 *!*@c-67-175-*.hsd1.il.comcast.net ChanServ!ChanServ@services. |
| 19:07.03 | imodiris | abrotman: pig u64 bytes from klecker.debian.org (194.109.137.218): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=53.6 ms |
| 19:07.06 | imodiris | ping is ok |
| 19:07.09 | abrotman | nalioth: that's a -* |
| 19:07.15 | imodiris | but i dont have nslookup |
| 19:07.24 | asg | ah, the bacon messaging protocol |
| 19:07.25 | abrotman | asg: so much for it being prolific :) |
| 19:07.35 | nalioth | abrotman: the 67.175 means a node, the -* means any user on that node |
| 19:07.36 | abrotman | Piggy: squeal! |
| 19:07.48 | asg | abrotman: easy come, easy go |
| 19:07.51 | Buchannon | abrotman: yay it's working now, thanks asg too |
| 19:07.59 | tty54 | nalioth, do you have op at #e? |
| 19:07.59 | asg | Buchannon: you're welcome |
| 19:08.02 | Gnea | nalioth: host > nslookup |
| 19:08.05 | abrotman | nalioth: doesn't the * in the second portion mean that it's roughly anyone c-67-175-*.hsd1 ? |
| 19:08.06 | nalioth | tty54: i do not |
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| 19:08.16 | nalioth | abrotman: yes, it bans a single node |
| 19:08.18 | asg | abrotman: interesting that the package's config still caused problems. |
| 19:08.25 | asg | Gnea: dig > host |
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| 19:08.44 | abrotman | nalioth: if you look at tty54's hostmask .. you see how they're made up .. doesn't that basically kill a class C ? |
| 19:09.06 | abrotman | nalioth: tty54 says he can't join the channel #e |
| 19:09.16 | nalioth | ok, let me see about it |
| 19:09.22 | tty54 | thank you |
| 19:09.28 | Gnea | asg: good point |
| 19:09.47 | Gnea | abrotman: probably for a good reason |
| 19:09.51 | blondie | tty54: shouldn't you be in /dev ? |
| 19:09.53 | abrotman | nalioth: thank you |
| 19:10.00 | abrotman | Gnea: look at the ban mask |
| 19:10.04 | asg | Gnea: it's easier to type and has the word 'groper' in it ;) |
| 19:10.07 | tty54 | blondie, lol |
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| 19:10.15 | Gnea | asg: hehe |
| 19:10.21 | imodiris | i confirm nslookup don't work |
| 19:10.47 | abrotman | imodiris: does dig or host work ? |
| 19:10.50 | adggg | during install, network autoconfiguration keeps stalling. What do I have to do???? |
| 19:10.57 | Gnea | abrotman: i guess |
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| 19:11.16 | rosminet | hello |
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| 19:11.44 | abrotman | Gnea: i'm right in saying that basically bans comcast illinois customers? |
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| 19:11.51 | imodiris | i don't have neither host neither dig |
| 19:11.54 | Gnea | abrotman: looks like it |
| 19:11.55 | abrotman | admittedly .. i'm mostly insane .. so .. hard to say |
| 19:11.58 | asg | imodiris: install dnsutils |
| 19:12.00 | nalioth | abrotman: just the ones who are behind that node |
| 19:12.28 | abrotman | that's a big chunk of people though i'd guess |
| 19:12.40 | imodiris | i can't install anything :( (that's myu problem) |
| 19:12.44 | Gnea | oh well |
| 19:12.54 | abrotman | yeah . .it's just #e .. dead project anyways |
| 19:12.57 | Buchannon | I installed courier-imap, uninstalled it, then re-installed it and it wont work now. When it tries to start it, it says "invoke-rc.d: initscript courier-imap, action "start" failed. ERR: config file missing" |
| 19:13.03 | asg | imodiris: can you ping anything? |
| 19:13.08 | imodiris | i can ping |
| 19:13.10 | Gnea | abrotman: that usually happens when people evade bans there, it's their own fault |
| 19:13.17 | Gnea | abrotman: blasphemy! |
| 19:13.17 | abrotman | Gnea: i understand why .. |
| 19:13.24 | imodiris | it's a mail and web server |
| 19:13.27 | abrotman | Gnea: sorry .. it's not dead .. just futile! |
| 19:13.30 | imodiris | fonctionnality web and mail are ok |
| 19:13.36 | abrotman | imodiris: you have no nslookup ? |
| 19:14.00 | imodiris | the command nslookup is not in my system |
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| 19:14.14 | abrotman | imodiris: is this Debian ? |
| 19:14.16 | Gnea | !helixsmite abrotman |
| 19:14.17 | imodiris | nmblookup?? |
| 19:14.33 | asg | imodiris: no, /usr/bin/nslookup |
| 19:14.34 | abrotman | no .. that's for samba |
| 19:14.41 | abrotman | why does your mail/web server have samba? |
| 19:14.42 | imodiris | i've got nslookup on a pc on my network |
| 19:14.58 | imodiris | it's debian |
| 19:15.02 | asg | ~find nslookup sarge |
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| 19:15.24 | imodiris | samba for share some directory of the web server with my local network |
| 19:15.31 | Gnea | imodiris: apt-get install dnsutils |
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| 19:15.50 | asg | Gnea: apparently, he can't |
| 19:15.51 | abrotman | imodiris: apt-get install dnsutils .. what's the error ? |
| 19:15.55 | tty54 | nalioth, were you able to get my node unbanned? |
| 19:15.59 | imodiris | no error |
| 19:16.02 | imodiris | frozen |
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| 19:16.04 | Franky6 | what kind of driver is required for a logitech quickcam Express ? |
| 19:16.05 | nalioth | tty54: patience, please |
| 19:16.06 | hramrach | the replacement for nslookup is called host.. |
| 19:16.18 | asg | hramrach: we've established that |
| 19:16.21 | tty54 | nalioth, sorry..thanks |
| 19:16.30 | Gnea | tty54: probably not gonna happen |
| 19:16.44 | _gass_ | the incoming is empty .... why? |
| 19:16.48 | abrotman | hramrach: it's apparently not currently in etch .. some replacement ;) |
| 19:16.54 | asg | _gass_: which incoming? |
| 19:16.57 | abrotman | _gass_: it may have just been processed |
| 19:16.59 | abrotman | ~katie |
| 19:17.00 | apt | [katie] who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. |
| 19:17.18 | _gass_ | asg: abrotman incoming.debian.org |
| 19:17.19 | imodiris | Here is installation test --> http://rafb.net/paste/results/dy0NmZ19.html |
| 19:17.38 | asg | _gass_: oh, okay. See what abrotman said |
| 19:17.42 | tty54 | Gnea, why? |
| 19:17.50 | Gnea | tty54: i don't know, you tell me |
| 19:17.59 | tty54 | hmmm ok? |
| 19:18.21 | asg | imodiris: could we get that in English perhaps? |
| 19:18.32 | Buchannon | I have exim4 installed on my computer and have email receiving and delivering set up alright with my domain name and everything. However, I want to be able to check my email on another machine in my network. I have exim4 set to relay mail to 192.168.1.0/24, but when I try to connect with thunderbird on another comp, it says it can't find server... |
| 19:18.45 | Buchannon | or that the connection was refused rather |
| 19:18.53 | asg | imodiris: nevermind, I got the jist |
| 19:19.03 | asg | s/jist/gist/ |
| 19:19.04 | imodiris | jist? |
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| 19:19.19 | abrotman | ~dict gist |
| 19:19.26 | abrotman | haha |
| 19:19.41 | XandriX | god bless netinstall |
| 19:20.01 | abrotman | and have a merry christmas! |
| 19:20.03 | asg | imodiris: can you ping 128.101.240.212 |
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| 19:20.18 | asg | abrotman: and booze and mincemeat pies |
| 19:20.23 | XandriX | abrotman, lol |
| 19:20.42 | imodiris | 64 bytes from 128.101.240.212: icmp_seq=4 ttl=48 time=142 ms |
| 19:20.46 | imodiris | ping is ok |
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| 19:20.55 | asg | imodiris: can you telnet to it on port 80? |
| 19:21.15 | imodiris | telnet ok |
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| 19:21.22 | hramrach | Buchannon: you need an impa or pop server to check mail |
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| 19:21.36 | abrotman | imodiris: what about 194.109.137.218 |
| 19:21.41 | hramrach | imap |
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| 19:21.53 | asg | imodiris: and you got the "Escape character is '^]'" part? |
| 19:22.00 | Buchannon | hramrach: I have the dovecot imapd server set up... apt-cache said it was an imap server |
| 19:22.24 | imodiris | 194.109.137.218 is ok |
| 19:22.32 | hramrach | is it running? is there a hole in firewall fo it? |
| 19:22.49 | hramrach | the imapd |
| 19:23.01 | imodiris | asg yes |
| 19:23.09 | Buchannon | hramrach: haha I still dont even know how to check if somehing is running, I think it is... and yes there is port forwarding set up on the router |
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| 19:24.01 | imodiris | (i've got the problem since this morning when i do a apt-get update / apt-get upgrade that works....) |
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| 19:24.05 | hramrach | Buchannon: how did you start it? |
| 19:24.10 | asg | imodiris: then I'd suggest running 'strace apt-get install dnsutils' and, when it hangs, tell us the last bit printed |
| 19:24.21 | Buchannon | hramrach: with aptitude install dovecot-imapd =P |
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| 19:24.52 | imodiris | -bash: strace: command not found |
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| 19:25.05 | hramrach | Buchannon: that probably does not start it, just installs the binary on the system. |
| 19:25.07 | Stevie | everybody needs strace |
| 19:25.17 | asg | imodiris: what? what version of Debian are you running |
| 19:25.33 | imodiris | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 19:25.36 | imodiris | stable |
| 19:26.06 | mox | buchannon: netstat -ln --inet is something listening on port 143 |
| 19:26.19 | abrotman | imodiris: echo $PATH |
| 19:26.28 | abrotman | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 19:26.34 | abrotman | like that .. roughly ? |
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| 19:26.53 | imodiris | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
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| 19:27.18 | abrotman | imodiris: ls -l /usr/bin/strace |
| 19:27.27 | asg | abrotman: he won't have it if he didn't install it |
| 19:27.30 | Buchannon | what is the default port for IMAP? |
| 19:27.34 | abrotman | 143 |
| 19:27.42 | imodiris | ls: /usr/bin/strace: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 19:27.44 | asg | Buchannon: grep imap /etc/services |
| 19:27.45 | mox | buchannon: port 143 |
| 19:27.46 | abrotman | asg: why don't these things come standard! |
| 19:27.50 | imodiris | In english no file |
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| 19:28.21 | foo | dhcpd is throwing this error ... dhcpd: Can't open lease database /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases: No such file or directory -- ... any ideas? I accidently deleted the file .. .but is there any way to recreate this file? |
| 19:28.22 | asg | abrotman: but uttering them will get you laid in the darker parts of philly |
| 19:28.28 | Franky6 | help: installing quickcam driver: insmod: error inserting 'quickcam.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module | what it mean ? |
| 19:28.30 | Buchannon | whats the difference between TCP and UDP? |
| 19:28.33 | abrotman | asg: so will $10 |
| 19:28.42 | abrotman | Buchannon: buy a book |
| 19:28.48 | abrotman | Buchannon: or ask wikipedia |
| 19:28.49 | asg | abrotman: you're french isn't very good then is it |
| 19:28.54 | Buchannon | abrotman: kk |
| 19:29.01 | Franky6 | buch tcp controls whether packets reachs dest. udp is connectionless |
| 19:29.04 | mox | Buchannon: short: tcp is connection orientated udp not |
| 19:29.14 | sanmarcos | can anybody give me a hand into why Udev wotn load my firmware when using ivtv? http://ivtvdriver.org/pipermail/ivtv-users/2006-May/002591.html < question. Is udev broken in unstable? I am seriously considering ditching Debian |
| 19:29.15 | asg | Buchannon: in short (very short) tcp is stateful, udp isn't. |
| 19:29.25 | abrotman | asg: which is cheaper .. learning french .. or $10 :) |
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| 19:29.38 | Franky6 | help: installing quickcam driver: insmod: error inserting 'quickcam.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module | what it mean ? |
| 19:29.43 | asg | abrotman: ten bucks is ten buck |
| 19:29.44 | asg | s |
| 19:29.46 | SlayerXP | Buchannon: UDP might get there quickly but you won't know iit did. TCP will get there eventually, but you'll know for sure that it did. |
| 19:29.47 | tarzeau | Franky6: 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:29.50 | Franky6 | yes |
| 19:29.52 | asg | Franky6: run depmod -a |
| 19:29.53 | tarzeau | Franky6: did it ever work for you on 2.6? |
| 19:30.01 | abrotman | asg: yeah ... that's like .. enough for a beer and a hot dog at the ball park .. if you're lucky |
| 19:30.09 | asg | abrotman: very lucky |
| 19:30.10 | XandriX | when u do a netinstall with the testing netinstall disk whats the default window manager that will be installed |
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| 19:30.13 | Franky6 | it's firsttime trying |
| 19:30.26 | imodiris | apt-get update is frozen at 28% |
| 19:30.30 | Franky6 | stil lsame error asg |
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| 19:31.07 | Franky6 | insmod: error inserting './quickcam.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 19:31.20 | abrotman | XandriX: none |
| 19:31.24 | abrotman | XandriX: you pick later |
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| 19:31.39 | Klowner | this can't be good.. bash: /bin/ps: Input/output error |
| 19:31.44 | XandriX | abrotman, ok |
| 19:31.51 | XandriX | abrotman, then kde it is lol |
| 19:32.02 | Klowner | I can't reboot either, aaaaaaah :( |
| 19:32.07 | abrotman | XandriX: apt-get install kde x-window-system kdm |
| 19:32.28 | adggg2 | now I really need some advice: I can't get debian installed because network config isn't working for me |
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| 19:32.33 | mox | Xandrix: apt-get install xfce4:))))9 |
| 19:32.38 | adggg2 | it could be a hardware conflict, but I'm not sure |
| 19:32.53 | adggg2 | any suggestions? |
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| 19:33.07 | mox | adggg2: any messages? |
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| 19:33.27 | adggg2 | mox: lots of messages, for example: network autoconfiguration failed |
| 19:33.32 | sanmarcos | can anybody give me a hand into why Udev wotn load my firmware when using ivtv? http://ivtvdriver.org/pipermail/ivtv-users/2006-May/002591.html < question. Is udev broken in unstable? I am seriously considering ditching Debian |
| 19:33.54 | mox | adggg2: how are you installing? netinstall? |
| 19:34.02 | adggg2 | mox: yes, netinstall |
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| 19:34.19 | adggg2 | mox: netinstall to a HP laptop |
| 19:34.22 | mox | adggg2: never did that. dhcp? |
| 19:34.49 | mox | adggg2: can you switch to a console? |
| 19:34.53 | adggg2 | yes, "your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. blah blah" |
| 19:34.56 | Franky6 | insmod: error inserting './quickcam.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module : fix ? |
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| 19:35.05 | adggg2 | mox: what means "switch to a console"??? |
| 19:35.14 | adggg2 | mox: how would I do that? |
| 19:35.16 | mox | adggg2: are you using dhcp on the network? |
| 19:35.23 | adggg2 | I believe so |
| 19:35.33 | mox | adggg2: alt+f2 |
| 19:35.42 | adggg2 | mox: DHCP: yes |
| 19:35.55 | adggg2 | mox: what does alt+f2 do? |
| 19:36.37 | adggg2 | alt+f2 won't do anything right now, as I am stuck in the middle of an install |
| 19:36.39 | mox | gets you in the console |
| 19:36.49 | imodiris | it seems ok |
| 19:36.58 | adggg2 | okay, in other words, no, I can't switch to a console |
| 19:37.07 | imodiris | i chang http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ in http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ in my source.list and it seems to run |
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| 19:37.36 | mox | adggg2: try with f3,f4 |
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| 19:37.43 | adggg2 | I can rety network autoconfig, retry autoconfig with DHCP hostname, config network manually OR do not configure network at this time |
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| 19:37.58 | mox | adggg2: try manual then |
| 19:38.16 | adggg2 | mox alt-f3 & alt f4 are both changing what I see on the screen |
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| 19:38.32 | adggg2 | I can go back to manual as well, if that's preferable |
| 19:38.43 | adggg2 | but I have tried manual before and it didn't work either..... |
| 19:38.45 | mox | adggg2: try it |
| 19:38.53 | adggg2 | mox: manual?? |
| 19:39.00 | mox | adggg2: yep |
| 19:39.07 | adggg2 | okay |
| 19:39.16 | mox | adggg2: ifconfig, what does that give you? |
| 19:39.35 | Franky6 | insmod: error inserting './quickcam.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module : fix ? |
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| 19:40.08 | abrotman | depmod -a |
| 19:40.08 | adggg2 | mox: ifconfig: lo link encap, inet addre: 127.0.0.1 mask 255.255.255.255 |
| 19:40.34 | Stevie | wait |
| 19:40.34 | Stevie | shouldn't that be 127.0.0.1 mask 255.0.0.0 ? |
| 19:40.34 | adggg2 | mox: I can't get back into install |
| 19:40.34 | mox | adggg2: try running dhclient eth0 |
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| 19:41.18 | adggg2 | mox: I can't test the network, while logged into IRC (I only have one ethernet connection) |
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| 19:42.00 | adggg2 | mox: but with ifconfig I get SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy |
| 19:42.07 | adggg2 | mox: is that a hardware conflict??? |
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| 19:42.12 | mox | adggg2: strange |
| 19:42.25 | Kaeles | How do I setup an lpt port? |
| 19:42.27 | mox | adggg2: which laptop do you have? |
| 19:42.37 | adggg2 | HP Pavilion dv1000 |
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| 19:42.45 | mox | adggg2: did you run linux before on it? |
| 19:42.55 | Kaeles | or check if i have an lpt port setup |
| 19:42.59 | adggg2 | mox: I've never run linux before on anything |
| 19:43.06 | adggg2 | mox: this is my first attempt |
| 19:43.10 | adggg2 | ;^) |
| 19:43.20 | mox | adggg2: ok, try downloading first cd of sarge |
| 19:43.50 | Kaeles | mmm Are the lp0, lp1 ,lp2 my parallel ports? |
| 19:43.54 | mox | adggg2: is your internet connection goof enough for it |
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| 19:44.15 | abrotman | Kaeles: probably |
| 19:44.57 | Kaeles | hmmm avrdude is telling me it can't claim lp0 |
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| 19:45.27 | Kaeles | is there a module to load or something for direct access to my parallel ports? |
| 19:45.57 | abrotman | wtf is avrdude? |
| 19:46.28 | abrotman | yay! |
| 19:46.31 | Kaeles | its an avr isp programming program |
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| 19:47.46 | adggg | mox: are you still there? The internet hiccoughed, and I lost my connection. |
| 19:47.52 | ic3man05 | if anybody does image rendering and an nvidia card check this out: http://www.nvidia.com/page/gelato.html |
| 19:47.55 | mox | adggg: yes |
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| 19:48.21 | adggg | do you think it's a hardware conflict? |
| 19:48.37 | mox | adggg: don't know, shodn't be |
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| 19:48.49 | adggg | maybe install parameters are wrong somewhere? |
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| 19:49.30 | mox | adggg: sorry i'm busy right know, my girlfriend called me |
| 19:49.35 | setcode | hello |
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| 19:49.48 | adggg | mox: c'est la vie |
| 19:50.02 | abrotman | ~info printconf sarge |
| 19:50.04 | adggg | mox: girlfriend always comes first |
| 19:50.08 | adggg | :( |
| 19:50.12 | mox | adggg:sorry:) |
| 19:50.15 | adggg | lol |
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| 19:51.42 | adggg | can someone tell me what are best install parameters for a laptop? |
| 19:51.57 | abrotman | depends on your laptop |
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| 19:52.14 | mox | adggg: just boot with linux26 |
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| 19:53.04 | Franky6 | after installing qc-usb and qc-usb utils how do i start webcam ? |
| 19:53.05 | adggg | mox: no other parameters, just linux26? |
| 19:53.29 | mox | mox: i think its boot linux26, but i didn't install for a long time |
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| 19:53.51 | mox | adggg: just posted to my self |
| 19:53.51 | streuner | Franky6: after you load the module(s) you simply use a webcam app. |
| 19:54.00 | Franky6 | happens nothing |
| 19:54.07 | hramrach | how do I enable framebuffer? I loaded fbcon and atyfb - and nothing happened. |
| 19:54.32 | adggg | mox: yes, I saw it. I'll try with just linux26. I added some other params to linux26 before, but will try it this way, this time. |
| 19:54.35 | mox | adggg: talking to my girl and posting is a bad idea, i'm not multitasking |
| 19:54.47 | streuner | Franky6: ok, try to run the app. in CLI and is there an error? |
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| 19:54.58 | Franky6 | no error |
| 19:55.00 | hramrach | mox: should upgrade :) |
| 19:55.27 | streuner | Franky6: are you sure these are the right module(s) for your webcam? |
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| 19:55.39 | Franky6 | yes |
| 19:55.39 | adggg | mox: shame on you, mox, your girl comes first. Have you bought her any gifts lately? :) |
| 19:55.55 | mox | adggg: no:) |
| 19:56.01 | streuner | Franky6: look into /var/log/dmesg.log and search there |
| 19:56.37 | streuner | Franky6: is the webcam listed in lsusb? |
| 19:56.38 | mox | adggg: i took her to diner:) |
| 19:56.57 | Franky6 | yes |
| 19:57.20 | adggg | mox: ah, good man! Was it a candlelit dinner? And flowers & boxes of chocolates? Don't tell me you forgot those? |
| 19:57.21 | Franky6 | <streuner> -> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 046d:0928 Logitech, Inc. |
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| 19:57.35 | kimberly` | bye guys.. have fun :) and thankiu |
| 19:57.39 | mox | adggg: no just dinner..china:) |
| 19:57.46 | streuner | Franky6: what does 'cat /proc/version' say, btw? |
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| 19:58.08 | Franky6 | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 |
| 19:58.09 | adggg | mox: your girlfriend is in China? |
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| 19:58.26 | mox | adggg: no the restourant was chinise:) |
| 19:58.59 | hramrach | china somehow does not sound good with candles - perhaps fireworks ? :) |
| 19:59.04 | adggg | mox: they have candlelit Chinese these days, get her one of those |
| 19:59.10 | mox | adggg: when you boot, there is a list of options for the instaler, chose linux26 |
| 19:59.29 | adggg | mox: yes, I know about linux26, I choose it every time |
| 19:59.43 | abrotman | frankie: for starters .. you should get the security kernel |
| 19:59.45 | adggg | I am right back to where I started, at configure network |
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| 20:00.06 | mox | hramrach&adggg: i'm getting lost in talking and posting:) |
| 20:00.14 | streuner | Franky6: ok, is spca5xx loaded? |
| 20:00.38 | adggg | maybe you need a GF who can talk debian.... |
| 20:00.48 | mox | adggg: switch to console and give me ifconfig output |
| 20:00.54 | Franky6 | yes (i think ) how do i check ? |
| 20:01.13 | streuner | Franky6: well, it seems that's a third party module you need |
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| 20:02.04 | adggg | console is ALT + F3? |
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| 20:02.10 | mox | adggg: yes |
| 20:02.10 | streuner | Franky6: lsmod | grep spca5xx |
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| 20:02.25 | Franky6 | no |
| 20:02.31 | adggg | mox: nothing is happening when I type ifconfig |
| 20:02.35 | Franky6 | but i've q qc_usb installed in palce |
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| 20:02.39 | hcy | anybody here know about using imagemagick or thegimp? when i try to create an animated gif from two beautiful jpg's, the resulting gif looks speckled instead of just the two jpg's alternating. this happens both in the gimp, and using imagemagick's 'convert' from the commandline. how do i increase the quality of the output to prevent this, or prevent it in another way, please? |
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| 20:02.50 | streuner | Franky6: do you get any entries for ' |
| 20:02.51 | mox | adggg: nothing???? |
| 20:02.52 | adggg | mox: just a blinking cursor |
| 20:03.02 | streuner | Franky6: do you get any entries for 'apt-cache search spca5xx'? |
| 20:03.09 | adggg | mox: scratch that |
| 20:03.24 | Franky6 | no |
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| 20:03.53 | adggg | mox: output is "lo link encap, inet addr: 127.0.0.1 mask: 255.255.255.255, UP loopback, rx packets, tx packets collisions rx bytes" |
| 20:04.08 | adggg | mox: abbreviated version of what I see on screen now |
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| 20:04.12 | jmck | what package has the nvidia driver? i see many packages marked nvidia |
| 20:04.15 | mox | adggg: ifconfig eth0 up |
| 20:04.26 | adggg | mox: done |
| 20:04.47 | mox | adggg: does eth0 now show up in ifconfig output |
| 20:05.03 | adggg | mox: I think it does |
| 20:05.24 | streuner | Franky6: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html |
| 20:05.43 | jmck | #debian-nvidia? or something? |
| 20:05.51 | mox | adggg: you think or it does:)? |
| 20:05.57 | adggg | mox: output is now: "eth0 link encap, UP broadcast, rx packets, tx packets, intterupt... lo link encap, inet addres, etc..." |
| 20:06.01 | bloom | !nvidia |
| 20:06.14 | adggg | mox: that's what I mean, eth0 is now listed |
| 20:06.19 | bloom | !ping |
| 20:06.22 | adggg | mox: when I do ifconfig |
| 20:06.26 | mox | adggg: if you can run now dhclient eth0, to get an ip for the eth0 |
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| 20:06.45 | adggg | mox: should I type dhclient eth0??? |
| 20:06.48 | mox | adggg: you are behind a home router? |
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| 20:07.03 | jmck | bloom did i say something wrong? |
| 20:07.08 | adggg | mox: yes, a home router DSL |
| 20:07.12 | mox | adggg: yes, type it |
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| 20:07.41 | bloom | jmck: I'm trying to get our but, dpkg, to tell me what he knows about nviida, but he doesn't seem to be there |
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| 20:07.51 | bloom | s/but/bot/ |
| 20:07.55 | adggg | mox: okay, it is now listening and sending, except the pc is not connected to the router.... |
| 20:08.16 | adggg | mox: keep in mind I need to disconnect from this machine, if I want to test the connection on the other one |
| 20:08.17 | mox | how do you mean not connected to router? |
| 20:08.47 | mox | ohh, you have only one cable to the router, no switch between |
| 20:08.50 | adggg | mox: I only have one connection, so I will have to disconnect from IRC first, if I want to test |
| 20:08.54 | jmck | o ok |
| 20:08.57 | adggg | mox: yes, that's it |
| 20:09.04 | mox | adggf: ok, than do it |
| 20:09.04 | adggg | should I test it now? |
| 20:09.14 | callee | how can i add the proper fonts directories to xorg? |
| 20:09.16 | adggg | okay, brb |
| 20:09.31 | callee | or to debian anyway |
| 20:09.39 | bloom | jmck: you need to install nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source, then use module-assistant to build the kernel module |
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| 20:09.45 | zamaliphe | is any one know what is the best browser for linux ? |
| 20:10.02 | streuner | apt, start a browser war |
| 20:10.02 | apt | w3m is cooler than w3m |
| 20:10.04 | asg | zamaliphe: whichever one works most appropriately for you |
| 20:10.09 | bloom | jmck: if they don't all want to install because of dependancies, then install what you can and module-assistant will install the rest after it finishes, I think. |
| 20:10.18 | bloom | jmck: it's been a while since I installed nvidia |
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| 20:10.44 | zamaliphe | i have tray netscap and opera also firefox |
| 20:10.50 | adggg2 | mox: yeehaw! I think we got something there |
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| 20:10.58 | Franky6 | <streuner> -> spca5xx installed ok |
| 20:11.08 | Franky6 | what else ? |
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| 20:11.22 | mox | adggg2: great, now just try pinging google.com |
| 20:11.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:11.49 | bloom | ~popcorn |
| 20:11.49 | mox | adggg2: if you get it, than continue installing... |
| 20:11.54 | adggg2 | mox: once I get that, how do revert back from console to complete the rest of the install? |
| 20:12.01 | bloom | tarzeau: dpkg seems to have disappeared |
| 20:12.13 | streuner | Franky6: huh, you are pretty fast :-) |
| 20:12.14 | adggg2 | mox: I am right in the middle of netinst |
| 20:12.22 | mox | adggg: alt f1 i think |
| 20:12.35 | adggg2 | mox: that's it, thanks |
| 20:12.47 | adggg2 | see you later |
| 20:12.52 | streuner | Franky6: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:12.57 | mox | adggg2: enjoj |
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| 20:13.12 | Franky6 | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 20:13.15 | mox | adggg2:wlcome to linux and debian |
| 20:13.19 | zamaliphe | but i need fetters like flash player and streaming video and streaming audio the sings that used to be simple with internet explorer ? |
| 20:13.45 | mox | adggg: btw i'm running debian on hp ze4417ea |
| 20:13.49 | pipeline | zamaliphe: Well, welcome to the niche platform world. |
| 20:13.57 | pipeline | zamaliphe: Approximately 2% of the world is using linux on the desktop. |
| 20:14.06 | pipeline | zamaliphe: We're talking just barely more than OSX. |
| 20:14.14 | pipeline | zamaliphe: Consider how shitty OSX support for those sorts of things is :) |
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| 20:14.25 | streuner | Franky6: did you compile the source yet? |
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| 20:14.41 | Franky6 | i used spca5xx .deb |
| 20:14.51 | h3sp4wn | pipeline: It will be 12% as soon as those Mit things go out to the 3rd world |
| 20:14.59 | streuner | uhm, there isn't a deb for sarge... |
| 20:15.37 | zamaliphe | pipeline: so i cant use this shit on linux cant I? |
| 20:15.50 | Franky6 | spca5xx-source_20060501-1_all.deb |
| 20:15.55 | Franky6 | what's this ? |
| 20:16.14 | streuner | Franky6: a package in testing or unstable |
| 20:16.19 | zamaliphe | pipeline: no flash or streaming ? |
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| 20:16.45 | streuner | Franky6: its a deb, but its source not binaries |
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| 20:18.31 | pipeline | zamaliphe: There's flash AND streaming, and they're both a pain in the ass. |
| 20:18.39 | pipeline | zamaliphe: Flash for linux, like flash for OSX, royally fucking sucks. |
| 20:19.01 | pipeline | zamaliphe: streaming is pretty hit or miss -- you need illegal copies of win32 codecs and an i386 system to even try it, as there's no licensed implementation of wmv for linux. |
| 20:19.10 | pipeline | h3sp4wn: I doubt that :P |
| 20:19.26 | streuner | Franky6: apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:20.06 | Franky6 | returns spca5xx-source: Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.0) but 4.2.32 is to be installed |
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| 20:20.56 | h3sp4wn | pipeline: I don't really care anyway don't really watch pirated films or use crappy flash websites |
| 20:21.03 | pipeline | h3sp4wn: heh, I have flash and video both blocked, too. :P |
| 20:21.13 | streuner | Franky6: ok, remove the package, and download the source from the URL we gave you before. |
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| 20:22.16 | Franky6 | downloaded then ? |
| 20:22.48 | adggg | mox: the network autoconfigured, but the installation failed :-( |
| 20:22.59 | streuner | Franky6: read README or Install instructions from that package |
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| 20:23.06 | mox | adggg2: why? |
| 20:23.40 | tty54 | where are the X libraries on debian |
| 20:23.45 | mox | adggg2: my suggestion, if you have flat rate, download sarge cd1 |
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| 20:24.04 | mox | adggg2: install base system from the cd and then upgrade to etch |
| 20:24.13 | adggg | mox: last line on the screen says: 1810_audio can't be loaded, missing kernel or user mode driver 1810_audio |
| 20:24.41 | mox | audio, broke the install? |
| 20:24.47 | abrotman | tty54: come on .. what are you looking for this time? |
| 20:24.56 | jmck | why is the kernel source missing? |
| 20:24.56 | adggg | mox: as far as I can see |
| 20:24.58 | zamaliphe | pipeline: no licensed implementation of wmv for linux thats why |
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| 20:25.10 | abrotman | jmck: you didn't install them ? |
| 20:25.10 | asg | jmck: because you didn't install it? |
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| 20:25.16 | adggg | mox: I solved this problem earlier by adding a parameter after linux26 |
| 20:25.22 | Franky6 | returned make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 20:25.22 | tty54 | abrotman, lol...the x11 libs |
| 20:25.28 | mox | adggg: which par? |
| 20:25.32 | abrotman | tty54: no .. what file? |
| 20:25.47 | jmck | i do not see the kernel source in the list of things to install |
| 20:25.55 | abrotman | jmck: which version of debian ? |
| 20:25.57 | adggg | mox: there were two parameters, wait a minute |
| 20:26.00 | jmck | unstable |
| 20:26.06 | abrotman | jmck: apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 20:26.22 | Franky6 | ok make install:ok |
| 20:26.25 | tty54 | abrotman, can you just tell me where the x libraries are installed by default on debian |
| 20:26.25 | streuner | Franky6: install kernel-headers for your kernel and build-essential |
| 20:26.25 | Franky6 | then ? |
| 20:26.34 | abrotman | tty54: did you install them? |
| 20:26.39 | tty54 | abrotman, yah |
| 20:26.43 | streuner | Franky6: read README? |
| 20:26.45 | abrotman | dpkg -L <pkgname> |
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| 20:27.37 | tty54 | abrotman, thank you |
| 20:27.40 | Franky6 | i read install text file |
| 20:27.54 | jmck | i see 2.6.16-1-amd64-generic and moduals but no source :( |
| 20:27.57 | abrotman | ~tell tty54 about refcard |
| 20:28.19 | stew | still no dpkg? |
| 20:28.27 | asg | stew: no, still hung |
| 20:28.40 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 20:28.44 | abrotman | dpkg: wake up! |
| 20:28.47 | WetWilly | hello |
| 20:28.48 | Franky6 | in lsmod i see videodev 10016 1 spca5xx |
| 20:29.12 | WetWilly | I have a debian stable on kernel 2.16.15 |
| 20:29.28 | WetWilly | I have a problem with chattr |
| 20:29.37 | asg | WetWilly: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 20:29.41 | WetWilly | yes |
| 20:29.45 | asg | WetWilly: that's your problem |
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| 20:30.02 | asg | WetWilly: you didn't compile the correct support for extended attributes |
| 20:30.06 | WetWilly | when i type chattr -i in root for /etc/resolf.conf |
| 20:30.10 | WetWilly | asg, erf |
| 20:30.20 | WetWilly | asg, oki |
| 20:30.33 | Eclipser | mh |
| 20:30.34 | asg | resolf sounds like a bad 80's metal band |
| 20:30.35 | Eclipser | great |
| 20:30.38 | Franky6 | ok works fine (quite dark images though) |
| 20:30.48 | stoned | asg, hair metal forever! |
| 20:30.50 | stoned | hehe |
| 20:30.53 | asg | stoned: \m/ |
| 20:30.57 | Eclipser | sid updated nvidia kernel module but not the X driver :> |
| 20:31.07 | Eclipser | ah well |
| 20:31.10 | Eclipser | I was bored anyway |
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| 20:31.19 | stoned | I haven't checked the updates today |
| 20:31.26 | Optic | hey guys, what's the best tool/package to use for NAT under Sarge? |
| 20:31.28 | Franky6 | streuner : can u help me with a scanner too ? |
| 20:31.30 | stoned | I should probably do that soon |
| 20:31.44 | WetWilly | asg, how to can I compile with the correct ext attributes... what are the correct ext attributes ? |
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| 20:31.45 | stoned | er.. iptables? |
| 20:31.52 | Optic | iptables, ok |
| 20:31.54 | mox | optic: iptables |
| 20:31.57 | Eclipser | kernel module has version 8762 and X driver has version 8756 |
| 20:32.00 | Eclipser | -> API mismatch |
| 20:32.01 | streuner | Franky6: what kind of scanner? IDE or SCSI? |
| 20:32.02 | Optic | i'm a netbsd user normally :) |
| 20:32.20 | h3sp4wn | Optic: pf is much better than iptables |
| 20:32.20 | zamaliphe | pipeline: can i copy the windows codecs to linux ? |
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| 20:32.28 | Optic | is there pf for debian? |
| 20:32.31 | Eclipser | guess I should downgrade the kernel module |
| 20:32.39 | formorer | Optic: yes, for debian k/freebsd |
| 20:32.44 | Franky6 | SCSI |
| 20:32.49 | Optic | i have stock debian sarge here |
| 20:32.52 | Optic | and no time to reinstall :) |
| 20:32.55 | stoned | k/freebsd? what is the k? |
| 20:33.07 | stoned | google here I cum |
| 20:33.09 | streuner | Franky6: ok, the procedure is the same, you need a driver |
| 20:33.10 | stoned | er.. come |
| 20:33.21 | WetWilly | help |
| 20:33.22 | streuner | Franky6: ...first. |
| 20:33.28 | Franky6 | YES BUT I DUNN KNOW HOW TO FIND THE APPROPRIATE |
| 20:33.34 | stoned | WetWilly, just ask man |
| 20:33.35 | h3sp4wn | Optic: Not except for the version of debian with the freebsd kernel |
| 20:33.35 | Franky6 | sorry caps qas on |
| 20:33.42 | Optic | ok |
| 20:33.56 | Franky6 | the Scanner is PRIMAX sCSI Profi 19200 |
| 20:34.00 | streuner | Franky6: scanners sucks in linux, maybe its just not supported |
| 20:34.01 | adggg | mox: the boot parameters noapic nolapic solved that problem earlier |
| 20:34.07 | WetWilly | i had a problem with chattr |
| 20:34.07 | pipeline | zamaliphe: Yes, but it violates the EULAs to do so, and in the U.S., may actually be illegal in addition to being a breach of contract. |
| 20:34.17 | jmck | nevermind i will build a kernel so i can have source |
| 20:34.20 | jmck | :( |
| 20:34.25 | pipeline | zamaliphe: There's a package out there that automates this, the "w32codecs" package. Look around for chris marillat's unofficial repositories. |
| 20:34.31 | pipeline | jmck: Build a kernel using the source packages. |
| 20:34.33 | mox | àdggg: ohh i had that probelm, boot with those parameters |
| 20:34.49 | mox | adggg: then deal with the network as before |
| 20:34.53 | jmck | i am building a kernel to get source |
| 20:34.54 | adggg | mox: okay, I'm going to go through the whole situation again |
| 20:35.01 | jmck | using kernel.org |
| 20:35.03 | Eclipser | nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.8762 which is a virtual package. |
| 20:35.05 | Eclipser | :p |
| 20:35.05 | mox | adggg: try and error:) |
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| 20:35.20 | adggg | mox: what was the solution for network again? I'm getting lost now? |
| 20:35.35 | speyer | I am having trouble with the Nautilus CD Burner Whenever I attempt to burn a CD or create a disk image, am always given the vague error "File image creation failed --- unknown error" |
| 20:35.38 | WetWilly | stoned, so i had a probleme with chattr when a write chattr -i ;/etc/resolv.conf it doesnt work |
| 20:35.38 | zamaliphe | pipeline: im not in us right now |
| 20:35.41 | mox | adggg: ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0 |
| 20:35.41 | jmck | Eclipser that is why i am building a kernel |
| 20:35.54 | jmck | the debian source is missing |
| 20:35.57 | adggg | mox: thanks, that's it, see you a little later.... |
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| 20:36.02 | adggg | thanks again |
| 20:36.06 | pipeline | zamaliphe: So what? it's probably illegal in other countries, too. |
| 20:36.15 | WetWilly | stoned, he tell this message chattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:36.17 | mox | adggg: good luck, youre welcome |
| 20:36.28 | stoned | WetWilly, what is the file system? |
| 20:37.12 | WetWilly | stoned, this file is to configure the dns sever |
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| 20:37.30 | WetWilly | stoned, dns server |
| 20:37.31 | Optic | what's all this source nat, destination nat stuff? |
| 20:37.35 | Eclipser | ah well |
| 20:37.38 | Eclipser | I hope they'll fix that soon |
| 20:37.53 | Eclipser | off to sleep |
| 20:37.58 | stoned | WetWilly, the file system, the fstype, where /etc/resolve.conf exists, is...? |
| 20:38.00 | WetWilly | stoned, im in ext3 |
| 20:38.00 | mox | optic: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:38.06 | Optic | share a connection |
| 20:38.10 | stoned | WetWilly, chattr is for ext2 |
| 20:38.12 | Optic | on a box with two nics. |
| 20:38.14 | mox | mox: with nat? |
| 20:38.19 | Optic | map rule on pf |
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| 20:38.26 | stoned | wait, isn't it? |
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| 20:38.29 | stoned | I think it is |
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| 20:38.35 | mox | optic: one external, one internal |
| 20:38.39 | Optic | yes |
| 20:38.47 | stoned | WetWilly, yeah I believe chattr is for ext2 fs only |
| 20:38.47 | Optic | i've done this a thousand times, just not with iptables |
| 20:39.06 | WetWilly | stoned, but a friend is in ext3 and the command work |
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| 20:39.18 | mox | optic: iptables -A FORWARD -i internal_interface -o external_interface -j ACCEPT |
| 20:39.25 | Optic | that's it? |
| 20:39.33 | stoned | WetWilly, man chattr |
| 20:39.40 | Optic | is there a standard way to make it go on startup? |
| 20:39.41 | mox | optic: thats for forwarding, you need nat to get out |
| 20:39.44 | speyer | how do i specify some other temporary directory for nautilus burn ? |
| 20:40.10 | aubergine | Hi, how can i synchronisiz the SystemTime with the automaticly updated Hardware Time?= |
| 20:40.11 | mox | optic: i'll give you in a minute |
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| 20:40.57 | speyer | how do i specify some other temporary directory for nautilus burn ? |
| 20:41.00 | _ThePiratemaster | how do i remove all my files containing "pure-ftp" in its filename in one go? |
| 20:41.02 | speyer | no one knows ? |
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| 20:41.33 | _ThePiratemaster | i dont speyer |
| 20:41.52 | basbryan | _ThePiratemaster: man rm |
| 20:42.07 | _ThePiratemaster | checking man rm... |
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| 20:42.08 | SlayerXP | _ThePiratemaster: there's the "rm" command. |
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| 20:42.37 | mox | optic: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o external_int -j SNAT --to-source external_ip |
| 20:42.41 | speyer | _ThePiratemaster maybe gconf-editor --> /apps/nautilus-cd-burner/temp_iso_dir/Value ? can you please have a look for me |
| 20:43.22 | ktwilight | speyer, have ya read the README file and other docs? |
| 20:43.30 | mox | optic: probably going to need this as well echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:43.43 | speyer | ktwilight there is no readme for this is it ? |
| 20:43.43 | ktwilight | but actually somehow i feel that the default and possibly unchangable setting will always be /tmp |
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| 20:44.16 | mox | optic: and for boot put it in script and then call it with pre-up from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:44.43 | Optic | mox: thanks, brb |
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| 20:45.58 | _ThePiratemaster | the awnser is not in the man of rm |
| 20:46.02 | _ThePiratemaster | how do i remove all my files containing "pure-ftp" in its filename in one go? |
| 20:46.10 | mox | optic: good luck |
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| 20:46.46 | jelly-ho | _ThePiratemaster: are they in a single directory? |
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| 20:47.36 | stoned | _ThePiratemaster, use wildcards * |
| 20:47.38 | basbryan | _ThePiratemaster: rm -rf pure-ftp*, or something smilar |
| 20:48.05 | _ThePiratemaster | all files on the drive i mean |
| 20:48.16 | _ThePiratemaster | all files in the system wiht pure |
| 20:48.22 | stoned | _ThePiratemaster, recurse it -r |
| 20:48.32 | Optic | great, it worked. |
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| 20:48.39 | Optic | is there a standard way to set up iptables at boot? |
| 20:48.41 | stoned | _ThePiratemaster, why are you trying to do this? |
| 20:48.44 | Optic | on debian? |
| 20:48.52 | mox | optic: put the commands in a script |
| 20:48.54 | _ThePiratemaster | yes on debian |
| 20:48.55 | Optic | yes |
| 20:48.55 | stoned | _ThePiratemaster, did you need apt-get --purge remove pure-ftp? |
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| 20:49.04 | _ThePiratemaster | purge |
| 20:49.09 | Optic | ok, i figured there would be a standard dir or config file or something |
| 20:49.10 | _ThePiratemaster | i purged and the files remain |
| 20:49.19 | _ThePiratemaster | i want them gone, all of them |
| 20:49.29 | stoned | _ThePiratemaster, did locate tell you that, or did you check the files out yourself in the dir? |
| 20:49.33 | mox | optic: i.e /etc/firewall.sh, and then call that script with pre-up from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:50.00 | _ThePiratemaster | checked them out |
| 20:50.01 | stoned | _ThePiratemaster, if "locate" tells you those files are there even if you remove them, and as root you need to to "updatedb" (without quote) |
| 20:50.04 | stoned | I see |
| 20:50.09 | h3sp4wn | mox: Why pre-up as apposed to post-up |
| 20:50.14 | Franky6 | streuner spca5xx supports only 320x240 as resolution ?? |
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| 20:50.30 | mox | optic: somwthing like this iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:50.30 | mox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:50.37 | jelly-ho | _ThePiratemaster: use find. something like find /some/dir -name '*pure-ftp*' -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
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| 20:50.48 | streuner | Franky6: no idea, i don't have a spca5xx based one... |
| 20:50.49 | mox | h3sp4wn: to get it up before network interface? |
| 20:50.54 | Optic | mox: thanks again |
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| 20:51.10 | mox | optic: you're welcome |
| 20:51.24 | _ThePiratemaster | damn i'll just learn bash scripting then |
| 20:51.31 | h3sp4wn | mox: It fails everytime if I do that behind my atheros card (only works from post-up) |
| 20:51.41 | Franky6 | bho i'm trying to acquire still picrue with xsane but it shows only that resolution |
| 20:51.52 | Franky6 | burt the camera is capable of 640x480 |
| 20:51.57 | mox | h3sp4wn:no probleme by me... |
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| 20:52.49 | h3sp4wn | mox: I just wondered whether you knew why that may happen ? |
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| 20:53.06 | mox | h3sp4wn: no idea.. |
| 20:53.20 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gketch' returned no results. |
| 20:53.21 | h3sp4wn | mox: Thanks anyway |
| 20:53.37 | mox | h3sp4wn: any messages when it fails? |
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| 20:54.17 | Franky6 | btw anyone has an ESS 1988 Allegro-1 based soundcard ? |
| 20:54.27 | h3sp4wn | mox: I don't remember it was a long time ago when I was last testing it |
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| 20:54.40 | jpduyx | Franky6: i did |
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| 20:55.44 | Franky6 | can u help me ? mine does outputs audio (or better say noise) only to lineout but i need it to work on spkout and at least to output sound not 99% noise an 1%sound ;) |
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| 20:56.32 | blondie | hmm JediMaster from ukc? |
| 20:56.33 | Optic | great, it all works on boot |
| 20:56.35 | Optic | thanks guys |
| 20:57.10 | JediMaster | blondie: yes |
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| 20:57.59 | mox | optic: great... |
| 20:58.08 | jpduyx | Franky6: did you try the 198x driver ? |
| 20:58.15 | JediMaster | having fun trying to set up a 6 disk raid5 array =) 1 terrabyte total hehe |
| 20:58.24 | Franky6 | i've snd-maestro3 on alsa |
| 20:58.25 | blondie | o.O |
| 20:58.27 | Franky6 | that's all |
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| 20:59.04 | JediMaster | anyone happen to know, when setting up a software raid array, do you need to create the partition, but not format it before using mdadm to set it up? |
| 20:59.12 | JediMaster | that is, create the partition on each disk |
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| 20:59.22 | skaja | can some one help me with estting up a grub boot disk |
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| 21:00.10 | blondie | rogger: kindly stop that |
| 21:00.21 | Franky6 | <jpduyx> how do i plug the 198x drivr ? |
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| 21:02.13 | jpduyx | i remember i tried a few of those ess drivers with modprobe and when i found the rigt one i put that in /etc/modules.conf, that is what i can remember |
| 21:02.48 | jpduyx | but i doubt if it was the exact same soundcard |
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| 21:03.04 | jpduyx | is it an isa card ?, |
| 21:03.08 | OtherMain | Why is there no spell checking in OpenOffice.org? |
| 21:03.09 | foo_ | CTRL+a q and CTRL+a B don't seem to unbreak the screen I have irssi in ... it just froze. Bleh, any ideas? I hate it when this happens. |
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| 21:03.27 | Franky6 | it's pci |
| 21:03.50 | OtherMain | How do I add spell checking to OpenOffice.org? |
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| 21:03.59 | Franky6 | Yamaha XWave A571 T20 (ESS 1988 Allegro-1) to be precise |
| 21:04.16 | tty54 | whenever I try to build e17, i get the error: configure: error: no X support found. Use --x-includes and --x-libraries to specify the X path on your system, or --without-x to disable X support...Im on debian, how can I fix this |
| 21:04.39 | abrotman | tty54: ask #e |
| 21:04.49 | tty54 | abrotman, i did |
| 21:04.51 | OtherMain | Why doesn't OpenOffice in Debian apt have spell checking? |
| 21:05.09 | abrotman | tty54: it's thier stuff |
| 21:05.20 | Shadowcat | OtherMain: it does |
| 21:05.28 | Franky6 | just do modprobe %modulename% then add to /etc/module.cong |
| 21:05.32 | OtherMain | Shadowcat: How do I enable it? |
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| 21:05.43 | Franky6 | conf* to change th e module used by alsa ? |
| 21:05.52 | mox | othermain: apt-get install openoffice.org-spellcheck |
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| 21:06.32 | epsilon | OtherMain: apt-cache search open office spell |
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| 21:07.09 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 21:07.10 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
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| 21:07.53 | OtherMain | Can't find it. |
| 21:08.48 | tty54 | abrotman, :( |
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| 21:09.50 | streuner | Franky6: tried 'alsaconf' ? |
| 21:10.19 | abrotman | tty54: asked google? |
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| 21:10.28 | Franky6 | yes and it loads snd-maestr3 |
| 21:10.29 | bhagabhi | Anybody else got problems with the mixer applet in the gnome panel (OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet) after upgrading to xorg7 on testing? |
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| 21:10.52 | tty54 | abrotman, yah, i've installed all the deps they say on all the sites except it still says no X support found |
| 21:10.54 | _ThePiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.57 | OtherMain | The only openoffice.org-spellcheck packages I found were virtual packages. None were English. :| |
| 21:11.01 | Franky6 | and there's 1. nosound at all on the proper jack; 99 % noise and 1% sound using lineout instead |
| 21:11.09 | abrotman | Gnea: ping |
| 21:11.17 | pbryan | Can we start flame wars on this channel now that #debian is officially on another IRC server? |
| 21:11.23 | OtherMain | I am going to have to install Microsoft Office 2000 this means. :| |
| 21:11.49 | tty54 | pbryan, yah |
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| 21:11.57 | pbryan | Yeah! |
| 21:12.10 | pbryan | What were the Debian packagers thinking? |
| 21:12.13 | pbryan | RPM is the true one way. |
| 21:12.22 | gnufan | OtherMain: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:12.23 | oramirez | pbryan, hahah.. |
| 21:12.24 | tty54 | i like windows a lot |
| 21:12.31 | jpduyx | Franky6 > did you try changing the mixer settings |
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| 21:12.32 | OtherMain | gnufan: Sarge |
| 21:12.38 | Franky6 | yes |
| 21:12.40 | OtherMain | 3.1 |
| 21:13.36 | jpduyx | i remember mine was a little different a ess 16 or 18 ... isa card inside an old pentium 1 laptop, that i don't have anymore it was a hell to get it to work untill i found out how ... and what drivers i needed |
| 21:13.37 | OtherMain | pbryan: GO SOMEWHERE AND DIE YOU TROLL |
| 21:13.53 | pbryan | lol |
| 21:13.54 | gnufan | OtherMain: I think in Sarge it uses "myspell" |
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| 21:14.00 | OtherMain | gnufan: Oh. |
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| 21:14.11 | pbryan | OtherMain: Maybe irc.oftc.org? |
| 21:14.26 | OtherMain | pbryan: Everyone knows apt is the true one way. Even the Ubuntu drones agree. |
| 21:14.37 | OtherMain | pbryan: Try EFnet. |
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| 21:15.03 | pbryan | OtherMain: RPM was created by professionals! DEB was created by amateurs! |
| 21:15.05 | dondelelcaro | OtherMain: so install myspell-dictionary-en-us or similar, and please lose the caps. |
| 21:15.06 | abrotman | to be honest .. i don't know a single intelligent person that thinks RPM is good |
| 21:15.09 | Franky6 | how do i try other drv ? |
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| 21:15.28 | OtherMain | dondelelcaro: Okay. :) |
| 21:15.35 | pbryan | How come this channel is still doing so well despite the OFTC move? |
| 21:16.02 | abrotman | pbryan: do you have a debian support question ? |
| 21:16.09 | bam | i don't plan to move |
| 21:16.14 | pbryan | abrotman: Not on this channel. |
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| 21:16.23 | pbryan | So now we'll have two #debians? |
| 21:16.26 | abrotman | pbryan: so you just came here to troll ? |
| 21:16.27 | OtherMain | abrotman: pbryan can troll here because of the OFTC move. |
| 21:16.29 | jelly-ho | abrotman: FWIW, I've been using apt-rpm (with an oldish RH9 installation) and have little complaints. |
| 21:16.38 | dondelelcaro | pbryan: there are multiple #debian channels. |
| 21:16.43 | JediMaster | anyone know what package contains the program "mkraid" (or replacement)? |
| 21:16.44 | abrotman | OtherMain: not really |
| 21:16.46 | dondelelcaro | almost every major network has one |
| 21:16.49 | _ThePiratemaster | to be honest, we shuold stop feeding the trolls |
| 21:16.53 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: mdadm |
| 21:16.56 | abrotman | jelly-ho: eww .. RH9 |
| 21:16.57 | OtherMain | abrotman: :( |
| 21:17.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell JediMaster -about search |
| 21:17.05 | OtherMain | abrotman: Come on. :) |
| 21:17.23 | jpduyx | do you know the module tools ? lsmod to list the loaded kernel modules; rmmod to remove one (must remove all the dependencies); modprobe to insert a new module. and ofcourse: locate ess* to find ess modules on your system |
| 21:17.32 | abrotman | OtherMain: eh .. no |
| 21:17.41 | JediMaster | dondelelcaro: that's what I thought, but the how-to's refer to mdadm most of the time and then use mkraid to init. the array |
| 21:17.44 | OtherMain | abrotman: Okay. :) |
| 21:18.03 | jpduyx | another trick, look what kind of driver was loaded when you maybe used that system with windows and find a compatible driver in linux |
| 21:18.08 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: you use mdadm to do it all |
| 21:18.12 | _ThePiratemaster | does anyoe know pure-ftpd well in herE? |
| 21:18.27 | JediMaster | dondelelcaro: ok ta |
| 21:18.38 | pbryan | _ThePiratemaster: How well? |
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| 21:19.35 | gnufan | JediMaster: sounds like out of date howto -- which? |
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| 21:19.52 | pygi | Hello, how may I contribute a package to debian? :) |
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| 21:19.59 | abrotman | pygi: you try to get a sponsor |
| 21:20.02 | Franky6 | bho it's quite late fr me and i go to sleep : night |
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| 21:20.14 | dondelelcaro | pygi: see the new maintainer guide; it talks about this. |
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| 21:20.21 | _ThePiratemaster | as well as to know why it would not list? |
| 21:20.44 | pygi | abrotman, dondelelcaro thanks :) |
| 21:21.54 | jpduyx | goodnight Franky6 ; me too |
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| 21:22.10 | OtherMain | pygi: Or you can do what the Ubuntu drones did: Rip off Debian and make your own distribution, with your own stupid name. |
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| 21:22.44 | dondelelcaro | OtherMain: ubuntu is way OT here. |
| 21:22.58 | OtherMain | dondelelcaro: Sorry. |
| 21:23.19 | tty54 | how can I set CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS in debian |
| 21:23.31 | abrotman | !tell tty54 about dr17 |
| 21:23.35 | dondelelcaro | tty54: CPPFLAGS=foo LDFLAGS=bar; |
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| 21:23.44 | pbryan | _ThePiratemaster: You login, and try ls, and you don't get a file list? |
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| 21:24.17 | tty54 | dondelelcaro, just like that `#CPPFLAGS=foo' ? |
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| 21:24.35 | adggg | WOW, what a mess |
| 21:24.58 | mox | adggg: what is it man:)? |
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| 21:25.36 | adggg | mox: look here >> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/288750-post4.html |
| 21:25.38 | Mr-Boss | no more server br witch debian r2 to download? |
| 21:26.01 | adggg | mox: I think I should give up on debian with this laptop |
| 21:26.20 | adggg | mox: maybe there is a better distro for me than debian |
| 21:26.56 | dondelelcaro | Mr-Boss: you're looking for a mirror of Debian in brazil? |
| 21:26.59 | tty54 | dondelelcaro, where are the x11 libraries by default |
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| 21:27.09 | dondelelcaro | tty54: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:27.20 | Mr-Boss | dondelelcaro yes http://linorg.usp.br/iso/debian/3.1_r2/i386/iso-dvd/ is out |
| 21:27.21 | tty54 | dondelelcaro, install e17 |
| 21:27.28 | mox | adggg: don't ask that here:) |
| 21:27.32 | abrotman | !tell tty54 about dr17 |
| 21:27.45 | tty54 | abrotman, i dont want precompiled debs |
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| 21:27.54 | abrotman | tty54: enlighenment isn't in debian |
| 21:28.07 | abrotman | well .. E17 isn't |
| 21:28.08 | mox | adggg: the problem seems to be sarge dist, try downloading etch |
| 21:28.23 | tty54 | abrotman, i wasnt asking about enlightenment, i was asking where x libs are installed by default |
| 21:28.24 | dondelelcaro | tty54: then get the packages and compile them yourself; you'll need all the build-dependencies to build them, but that's pretty straightforward |
| 21:28.47 | deadcat | deb http://soulmachine.net/debian/ unstable/ |
| 21:28.49 | deadcat | ^^ e17 |
| 21:28.51 | abrotman | we should get gnea to make a nice howto or some crap |
| 21:28.57 | dondelelcaro | tty54: the libraries are located in the standard include paths and linker paths, so they'll be found by the configure scripts once you've got the appropriate -dev packages installed. |
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| 21:28.58 | adggg | mox: etch is the unstable one? okay, will do |
| 21:28.58 | abrotman | deadcat: he's too cool for precompiled binaries |
| 21:29.06 | deadcat | abrotman: screw him then |
| 21:29.24 | abrotman | he could get help in #e :) |
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| 21:29.35 | mox | adggg:etch is testing...this means stable for any other distro than debian:) |
| 21:29.46 | abrotman | after i went through all that trouble of getting the ircop to remove the ban |
| 21:30.10 | tty54 | dondelelcaro, the only problem is, is that the configure scripts are looking for the path of Xorg6.8 which is different from 7.0 |
| 21:30.36 | mox | adggg: this should help http://www.us.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 21:30.39 | abrotman | ask #e how to fix it .. or where to get the correct scripts .. debian isn't the only distro on X7 |
| 21:31.07 | deadcat | debian is practically the LAST distro on X7 (= |
| 21:31.44 | abrotman | tty54: if you don't get what you want with x-dev package .. you should probably be asking #e for more specifics |
| 21:31.54 | dondelelcaro | tty54: then dpkg -L libx11-dev; or similar. |
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| 21:32.29 | tty54 | dondelelcaro, alright |
| 21:32.39 | tty54 | abrotman, <3 |
| 21:32.46 | belkrem | anyone here ever installed a dvb card |
| 21:32.54 | deadcat | nop |
| 21:33.17 | belkrem | debian doesn't like me |
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| 21:33.49 | izzyb | Is there a man page for the /etc/apt/preferences file? |
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| 21:33.59 | abrotman | tty54: erm ... i think don had the right package |
| 21:34.03 | adggg | I don't want to go through all of this effort to discover that most of my hardware isn't supported >> that would SUCK |
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| 21:34.10 | tty54 | abrotman, what?? lol |
| 21:34.13 | Vaylor | hi all |
| 21:34.17 | abrotman | tty54: libx11-dev |
| 21:34.23 | adggg | is debian the best distro for laptops? |
| 21:34.37 | izzyb | Never mind, found it. it's apt_preferences, not apt-preferences |
| 21:34.47 | deadcat | adggg: we cant tell |
| 21:34.50 | tty54 | abrotman, i have that |
| 21:34.52 | deejoe | !tell adggg about best |
| 21:34.55 | Mr-Boss | adggg yes , for running in text mode only need 32mb ram |
| 21:34.57 | blondie | adggg: no, windows is ;) |
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| 21:35.15 | telmich | moin! |
| 21:35.20 | mox | adggg:my laptop works best under debian! |
| 21:35.33 | telmich | locales in testing sind kaputt -> waehlt mal 'all' aus, dann versucht er "All" zu generieren |
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| 21:35.40 | abrotman | tty54: then you're going to have to get help from #e to find out what it's looking for so that we can help you get what you need |
| 21:35.49 | mox | adggg: i have hp ze4417ea... |
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| 21:36.25 | tty54 | abrotman, im there now :) |
| 21:36.36 | telmich | sorry, wrong language |
| 21:36.45 | belkrem | how do you change your mysql password |
| 21:37.04 | telmich | in debian testing the package locales is broken, if you select "all" it tries to generate the locale "All" (and not all locales) |
| 21:37.34 | SlayerXP | belkrem: you follow the instruction in the mysql documentation. |
| 21:37.40 | adggg | okay, I'll have to struggle to get it installed then |
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| 21:37.53 | mox | adggg: how old is the laptop? |
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| 21:39.23 | adggg | mox: laptop was purchased last november |
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| 21:40.08 | mox | adggg:my is two years old, i had my problems than...when it was new:) |
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| 21:40.47 | mox | asggg: you tried running knoppix? |
| 21:41.06 | mox | adggg:that was my first debian, hdd install of knoppix |
| 21:41.51 | adggg | knoppix is certainly a candidate, as is SUSE |
| 21:41.53 | tty54 | abrotman, guess what? |
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| 21:42.40 | dondelelcaro | ( |
| 21:42.45 | abrotman | tty54: e17 sucks ? |
| 21:42.48 | mox | adggg:i ran suse for a couple of months, but it's too bloated for me |
| 21:42.59 | tty54 | abrotman, no! it works! |
| 21:43.07 | abrotman | tty54: good |
| 21:43.17 | mox | adggg:suse was the first sucessfully instaled distro on this box |
| 21:43.20 | adggg | well I was really looking forward to debian, but now I am not so sure |
| 21:43.41 | tty54 | adggg, you come from gentoo? |
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| 21:43.43 | SlayerXP | debian is for idiots. |
| 21:43.48 | tty54 | lol |
| 21:43.48 | mox | adggg:you chose the best distro, only a hard one to begin with |
| 21:43.58 | streuner | SlayerXP: hehe |
| 21:44.06 | tty54 | SlayerXP, are you using media edition? |
| 21:44.14 | adggg | gentoo is also a candidate |
| 21:44.15 | SlayerXP | tty54: debian 98SE |
| 21:44.19 | mox | SlyerXP:what are you then doing here |
| 21:44.34 | SlayerXP | mox: educating misguided souls. |
| 21:44.37 | dmattli | gentoo is for idiots |
| 21:44.39 | tty54 | rofl |
| 21:44.40 | jelly-ho | SlayerXP: try something less obvious. |
| 21:44.45 | tty54 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.47 | mox | asggg:gentoo?as youre first install???? i don't recomm. it |
| 21:44.57 | tty54 | mox dont say that |
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| 21:45.03 | dusa | i'm fedora user and debian sarge is to me a good alternative to rdhat .... of course if u prefere lfs ... or gentoo |
| 21:45.05 | tty54 | actually gentoo is a good idea for first install |
| 21:45.05 | dmattli | or for the second, third .. install |
| 21:45.16 | tty54 | by installing gentoo you learn a shitload |
| 21:45.23 | mox | tty54:ok..if you say so.. |
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| 21:45.32 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: can anyone merge bugs? |
| 21:45.34 | jelly-ho | SlayerXP: some of us, ya know, like to lose a few hours configuring things that work out of the box on other os-es. |
| 21:45.39 | SlayerXP | tty54: other than how long compiling glibc takes? |
| 21:45.44 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes |
| 21:45.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: should i check with the maintainer before doing so ? |
| 21:45.56 | tty54 | SlayerXP, i dont use gentoo |
| 21:45.59 | SlayerXP | jelly: some people like peanut butter too. |
| 21:46.02 | mox | tty54: for the first distro give them something that just installs, than they can find the best for them |
| 21:46.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: if it's not obvious, yes... but if it's obvious, just go right ahead. |
| 21:46.13 | adggg | well, my first install is a failed install of debian... :_( |
| 21:46.27 | adggg | I'm still heartbroken |
| 21:46.28 | tty54 | adggg, why did it fail? |
| 21:46.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: guess i'll ask gravity next time he's around |
| 21:46.48 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, in X? just go ahead. if you make a mistake, someone will unmerge it for you |
| 21:46.58 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: they will put my head on a stake too?! |
| 21:47.00 | adggg | tty54: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/288750-post4.html |
| 21:47.10 | mox | adggg:try with netinstall of etch or knoppix hdd install and then upgrade |
| 21:47.12 | blondie | hmm, I copied some jpg files from a memory stick using "cp -a" but it doesn't preserve the timestamps :| |
| 21:47.14 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: they could send you the official XSF logo |
| 21:47.30 | adggg | mox: I am burning netinstall etch |
| 21:47.31 | mox | adggg:you're laptop is younger as sarge, that is the problem |
| 21:47.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: one of the guys in my office has it printed .. he wants to put it up on his cube .. but thinks he might get in trouble |
| 21:47.49 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 21:48.00 | dondelelcaro | he should put it up on one of the interior walls of the cube |
| 21:48.23 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: when you merge .. they are two different packages .. how do you control the package that will get the resulting bug ? |
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| 21:48.33 | blondie | can you not preserve timestamps when copying from fat32? |
| 21:48.37 | blondie | mount |
| 21:48.39 | blondie | damn |
| 21:48.44 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you have to put the packages in the same state |
| 21:48.46 | dondelelcaro | blondie: use cp -a |
| 21:48.51 | dondelelcaro | s/packages/bugs/ |
| 21:48.54 | blondie | dondelelcaro: I did, but it didn't work |
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| 21:49.23 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: so in this case, you'd use reassign foobug barpkg; merge foobug barbug; |
| 21:49.38 | Z_God | apt-get upgrade seems to have killed most gtk apps on my debian etch system, is this a known issue? |
| 21:49.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: they are different revisions .. one is against xserver-xfree86 .. the other against xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 21:49.50 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: oh .. i reassign then merge .. gotcha |
| 21:50.23 | Z_God | xmms fails with: Gtk-ERROR **: Unable to load default font. for example |
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| 21:50.42 | Z_God | other application seem to hang and nothing shows up |
| 21:50.46 | Z_God | applications* |
| 21:50.50 | blondie | what's wrong here: http://pastebin.com/758533 |
| 21:50.55 | blondie | (using cp -a) |
| 21:51.21 | abrotman | blondie: is there something wrongt? |
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| 21:51.47 | blondie | abrotman: timestamp is not preserved |
| 21:51.56 | blondie | am I doing something wrong there? |
| 21:52.10 | SlayerXP | blondie: I give up. what's wrong there? |
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| 21:52.20 | mox | Z_God:there was an x upgrade last night, this could have broken your system |
| 21:52.25 | blondie | cp -a, and timestamp isn't preserved is what's wrong |
| 21:52.28 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:52.33 | Covener | blondie: you can't preserve root ownership as unpriveleged user. |
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| 21:52.40 | Z_God | mox: yep, indeed the X upgrade seems to be it |
| 21:52.41 | blondie | Covener: I don't want to |
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| 21:52.49 | MatBoy | What should I do when X says while starting: Error no Nvidia-Kernel-Module found |
| 21:52.51 | mox | Z_God: try running aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg |
| 21:52.51 | setcode | hello |
| 21:52.52 | Covener | blondie: sorry that's the bit I noticed first |
| 21:53.01 | blondie | I just want to preserve the timestamps :| |
| 21:53.06 | SlayerXP | blondie: and you expected us to _guess_ that was your question from that? |
| 21:53.32 | mox | MatBoy: install nvidia module |
| 21:53.47 | blondie | SlayerXP: no, pay attention |
| 21:53.54 | blondie | SlayerXP: I already said what the question was. |
| 21:54.20 | aredhel | blakkino, it helps if the question is not up past the top of the screen. |
| 21:54.26 | aredhel | *blondie |
| 21:54.37 | dondelelcaro | blondie: hrm... cp -a should be preserving timestamps; what is the stat output on those files both before and after? |
| 21:54.38 | blondie | it's not on mine :P |
| 21:55.02 | SlayerXP | blondie: I sincerely apologise for not having the time to continously read scrollback, thereby inconveniencing people WHO CAN'T ASK A QUESTION ON JUST ONE FUCKING LINE OF TEXT. |
| 21:55.05 | SlayerXP | *ahem* |
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| 21:55.27 | ludz | hi, does anyone have good knoledge of GNU MatHprog language for Glpk kit (the glpsol linear programm solver) |
| 21:55.30 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: relax please. |
| 21:55.33 | blondie | SlayerXP: I'm not interested in your pathetic tantrums |
| 21:55.37 | ludz | ? |
| 21:55.48 | SlayerXP | dondelelcaro: I am relaxed, hence just one "fucking" :) |
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| 21:56.13 | blondie | http://pastebin.com/758543 is what stat says for both copies |
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| 21:56.22 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: take these 10 minutes and please use /ignore instead if you need to yell at someone like that. |
| 21:56.29 | ludz | what would be a good chan to ask stuff about GNU Mathprogramming? |
| 21:57.17 | streuner | FUCKING ASSHOLE |
| 21:57.25 | tty54 | ROFL |
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| 21:58.01 | evilgeek | ludz: do you refer to the GNU Mathprog modelling language? |
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| 21:58.19 | Covener | Can an alias for cp interfere maybe? |
| 21:58.42 | blondie | no alias for it |
| 21:58.50 | dondelelcaro | blondie: hrm... can you try using cp --preserve=timestamps foofile barlocation; ? |
| 21:58.51 | deadcat | hmm. i get 403 on distrowatch.com using firefox. dillo and others are fine. |
| 21:59.46 | blondie | dondelelcaro: same effect |
| 22:00.09 | mox | good night boys and girls...happy hacking |
| 22:00.22 | Z_God | mox: just tried the command, it doesn't seem to work :( |
| 22:00.34 | Z_God | good night |
| 22:00.36 | MatBoy | mox, for etch, should I het the non-free version for the moment ? |
| 22:00.43 | MatBoy | *get |
| 22:00.57 | mox | Z_God:sorry |
| 22:01.03 | Z_God | ah |
| 22:01.11 | Z_God | gtk2 seems to work again :) |
| 22:01.20 | Z_God | only xmms fails now |
| 22:01.24 | mox | MarBoy:no idea, i don't have nvidia, but it's probably in non-free |
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| 22:01.45 | Z_God | and other gtk (not 2) apps |
| 22:02.19 | mox | Z_GOd:there was some talk about x7 moving fonts dir, look it up maybe that's the problem |
| 22:02.26 | mox | goo night now:)) |
| 22:02.39 | Z_God | k, thx I'll look into that |
| 22:02.41 | Z_God | bye |
| 22:02.45 | mox | s/goo/good:) |
| 22:02.47 | izzyb | can you use comments in the /etc/apt/preferences file? |
| 22:02.57 | dondelelcaro | blondie: hrm... and rsync -av foofile barlocation: [with the file in barlocation not existing beforehand?] |
| 22:03.18 | izzyb | Have an entry I want to disable, but don't really want to delete |
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| 22:03.32 | blondie | dondelelcaro: that works |
| 22:03.32 | blondie | :) |
| 22:03.40 | blondie | cp seems... broken :( |
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| 22:03.59 | dondelelcaro | blondie: did barfile exist before you did the cp? |
| 22:04.04 | blondie | nope |
| 22:04.10 | dondelelcaro | hrm... |
| 22:04.11 | blondie | I removed it to be sure |
| 22:05.10 | blondie | it happens for all the files on that filesystem |
| 22:05.11 | dondelelcaro | blondie: can you do a stat foofile; cp --preserve=timestamps foofile /tmp/barfile; stat /tmp/barfile; date; and put the output up? |
| 22:05.18 | blondie | ok |
| 22:05.25 | ktwilight | when i did a defoma-reconfigure, an error came up saying "Can't exec "/usr/bin/mkcfm": Too many levels of symbolic links at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/x-ttcidfont-conf.defoma line 791." what's the solution for this? :/ |
| 22:05.39 | MatBoy | Can anyone tell me or give me a link where I can find what the diiference between free and non-free is on the images.. blablabla ? |
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| 22:06.07 | _ThePiratemaster | does anyoe know pure-ftpd well in herE? |
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| 22:06.52 | dondelelcaro | _ThePiratemaster: if you're unable to ls a directory after having been logged in, then you should check the logs of pureftpd to see exactly why it's not allowing you to see that directory. |
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| 22:07.09 | _ThePiratemaster | no report is logged |
| 22:07.19 | dondelelcaro | _ThePiratemaster: my best guess is you're not +x for that directory, again assuming you've actually logged in. [If you're using lftp, you won't actually log in until you hit ls] |
| 22:07.20 | _ThePiratemaster | just a succesfull login for <host> |
| 22:07.30 | dondelelcaro | _ThePiratemaster: what happens? |
| 22:07.46 | blondie | dondelelcaro: when I copy it to /tmp, it works, but not when I copy to this directory |
| 22:07.50 | abrotman | _ThePiratemaster: you've been asking about pureftpd for weeks .. have you tried another ftpd ? |
| 22:08.05 | dondelelcaro | blondie: what filesystem is that directory on? |
| 22:08.07 | _ThePiratemaster | i logg-in, then my client send the LIST command |
| 22:08.26 | blondie | it's an NFS mount (ext3 on the server) |
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| 22:08.31 | dondelelcaro | _ThePiratemaster: and you don't get any data back? have you tried using PASV? |
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| 22:08.50 | _ThePiratemaster | yes it does that automaticly |
| 22:08.55 | _ThePiratemaster | can i paste 5 lines? |
| 22:09.14 | blondie | pastebin |
| 22:09.16 | dondelelcaro | _ThePiratemaster: no; use the paste bot |
| 22:09.21 | _ThePiratemaster | ok |
| 22:09.28 | _ThePiratemaster | www.pastebin.com? |
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| 22:09.40 | godmachine81 | How can i get "Sawfish" on the list of X sessions in the GDM login manager?? |
| 22:10.32 | abrotman | godmachine81: you want raw sawfish ? |
| 22:10.37 | blondie | dondelelcaro: cp -a should work on NFS though, right? |
| 22:10.43 | dondelelcaro | godmachine81: add a Sawfish sessino to /etc/gdm/Sessions/Sawfish |
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| 22:10.57 | _ThePiratemaster | http://pastebin.com/758572 |
| 22:11.02 | _ThePiratemaster | there |
| 22:11.10 | _ThePiratemaster | the input and output to and from the server and client |
| 22:12.00 | godmachine81 | abrotman, i c sawfish is just a window manager |
| 22:12.01 | MatBoy | do I need to recompile my kernel if I install nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 ? Or should I get the -1 version when I apt-get the 2.6.15 kernel ? |
| 22:12.02 | dondelelcaro | blondie: it works fine here from nfs to nfs, but I don't have fat32 filesystems around |
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| 22:12.12 | dondelelcaro | blondie: anyway, I'd suggest just using rsync since that's working |
| 22:12.20 | godmachine81 | abrotman, so what do most people use sawfish with ? |
| 22:12.35 | abrotman | godmachine81: i use sawfish with gnome .. but you can use jsut sawfish if you want |
| 22:12.43 | adggg | does anyone have any suggestions what install parameters I should use this time? I have netinst for etch about to run.... |
| 22:13.13 | blondie | dondelelcaro: yeah, it works from local ext3 -> nfs for me |
| 22:13.14 | blondie | oh well |
| 22:13.22 | adggg | should I go with noapic nolapic again? |
| 22:13.26 | godmachine81 | abrotman, how do you get sawfish to start in gnome |
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| 22:13.38 | abrotman | godmachine81: what are you using now in gnome ? |
| 22:13.49 | godmachine81 | the standard wm |
| 22:13.53 | godmachine81 | whatever it uses |
| 22:13.57 | abrotman | metacity? |
| 22:13.58 | adggg | no suggestions, anyone? |
| 22:14.04 | godmachine81 | yea im pretty sure |
| 22:14.12 | abrotman | godmachine81: killall metacity && sawfish |
| 22:14.23 | _ThePiratemaster | http://pastebin.com/758572 |
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| 22:14.36 | _ThePiratemaster | anyone got any sugestion concerning my server problem? |
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| 22:14.46 | Knorrie | adggg: what's the problem |
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| 22:15.38 | damog | is there any way I can put some color index but based on an specific header pattern in mutt? |
| 22:15.43 | damog | I want to colorize in the index, some mails which have a certain header |
| 22:15.55 | adggg | Knorrie: I had a big problem with netinst sarge on my HP laptop (http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/288750-post4.html) |
| 22:15.55 | abrotman | damog: ask #mutt ? |
| 22:16.08 | damog | abrotman: I did. |
| 22:16.12 | abrotman | nothign? |
| 22:16.16 | damog | nah |
| 22:16.30 | abrotman | did you wait less than 10 minutes? :) |
| 22:16.31 | damog | and probably somebody here knew, so.. |
| 22:16.36 | damog | abrotman: not really :) |
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| 22:16.40 | ktwilight | has anyone encountered "Can't exec "/usr/bin/mkcfm": Too many levels of symbolic links at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/x-ttcidfont-conf.defoma line 791." before? |
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| 22:17.08 | Eagle-1 | which is more stable test or unstable? |
| 22:17.16 | abrotman | testing generally is |
| 22:17.17 | ktwilight | etch/test |
| 22:17.18 | damog | Eagle-1: testing |
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| 22:17.24 | TolstoyInLove | my tasksel have not complete task? how can i fix it? |
| 22:17.25 | abrotman | Eagle-1: but you sohuld probably point at etch .. not testing |
| 22:17.39 | Eagle-1 | etch? |
| 22:17.45 | abrotman | etch is the current codename for testing |
| 22:17.57 | damog | abrotman: are you following the move to OFTC? |
| 22:18.06 | sid | hi libasound2 1.0.11-7 ALSA library |
| 22:18.09 | sid | What is "hi" |
| 22:18.13 | Eagle-1 | ah ok so like ftp://blah/blah etch main? |
| 22:18.18 | abrotman | damog: i'm there also .. but i'll go where help is needed |
| 22:18.21 | abrotman | Eagle-1: sure |
| 22:18.23 | sid | libasound2 works fine...ie mplayer .. but it doesn't show "ii" |
| 22:18.26 | Eagle-1 | ok ty |
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| 22:18.35 | MatBoy | why does apt-get wants to install a kernel-image when I apt-get the nvidia-kernel ? |
| 22:18.56 | abrotman | !tell eagle-1 about sarge->etch |
| 22:19.03 | dondelelcaro | MatBoy: because the nvidia-kernel modules depend on specific kernel images |
| 22:19.18 | dli | MatBoy, if you have custom kernel, try, nvidia-kernel-source |
| 22:19.27 | RvGaTe | Is it possible to make a debian server record a stream (.pls) and save it as mp3 on the system every, lets say, 5 hours? |
| 22:19.56 | damog | RvGaTe: Sounds like interesting thing to work in. |
| 22:20.01 | MatBoy | dli, I have apt-get the kernel-source 2.6.15 and compiled a kernel with it |
| 22:20.13 | RvGaTe | damog: it is indeed interesting |
| 22:20.17 | MatBoy | dli, so than I need the nvidia-kernel-source also ? |
| 22:20.26 | damog | RvGaTe: It is possible of course, but you'll need to implement it, obviously. |
| 22:20.37 | abrotman | !info vsound sarge |
| 22:20.47 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 22:21.05 | RvGaTe | damog: this is, its all console based... wich makes it a bit strange since you dont have sound :P |
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| 22:21.52 | RvGaTe | abrotman: thx, ill look into it |
| 22:22.05 | aaronlin | What's the best open source movie editor available for GNU/Linux? |
| 22:22.12 | damog | I was thinking on recording a 3rd party audo stream, is that the case? |
| 22:22.16 | damog | audio* |
| 22:22.38 | aaronlin | best as in easiest to use and quickest to learn |
| 22:22.39 | SlayerXP | aaronlin: lives, perhaps. |
| 22:23.06 | RvGaTe | damog: what i would like to record is: http://83.149.125.204:8000/listen.pls |
| 22:23.16 | tty54 | how do I downgrade a package in debian |
| 22:23.25 | aaronlin | thanks |
| 22:23.26 | abrotman | why? |
| 22:23.32 | abrotman | cinerella ? |
| 22:23.38 | SlayerXP | RvGaTe: you have very poor taste |
| 22:23.54 | RvGaTe | SlayerXP: im sorry not havnig yours |
| 22:23.57 | damog | RvGaTe: I can think on launching a Perl interface for wget, curl or similar. It will stop until the streaming ends, then save it. crontab every 5 hours. There you go. |
| 22:24.00 | tty54 | abrotman, im using automake 1.9.6 and I want to go to 1.9.5 |
| 22:24.26 | abrotman | tty54: you'll have to get the package .. then man dpkg |
| 22:24.42 | damog | !dpkg man |
| 22:24.42 | dpkg | from memory, man is a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>, or http://man.mirrorlynx.com to get online manpages, or mannotincluded.com, or a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
| 22:25.09 | tty54 | abrotman, you don't like to give direct answers do you? |
| 22:25.26 | abrotman | tty54: no .. i'm not a big fan of spoonfeeding you the answers .. |
| 22:25.34 | tty54 | abrotman, that's a shame :P |
| 22:25.44 | damog | tty54: for you |
| 22:25.45 | abrotman | tty54: that you're not willing to learn and do your own research/work ? |
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| 22:26.25 | blondie | some people are just so lazy ;) |
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| 22:26.36 | abrotman | yeah .. like people who can't figure out timestamps! :) |
| 22:27.01 | tty54 | yah! |
| 22:27.02 | blondie | really, you figure it out then |
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| 22:27.57 | abrotman | tty54: don't take it personally .. but if you can figure out on your own which package provides zlib.h .. you're that much smarter :) |
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| 22:29.49 | basbryan | teach 'em to fish |
| 22:30.03 | RvGaTe | damog: i dont have any knowledge about perl |
| 22:30.25 | tty54 | abrotman, lol |
| 22:31.32 | abrotman | !fish |
| 22:31.33 | dpkg | it has been said that fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
| 22:32.01 | damog | RvGaTe: actually a good management of wget could work. then you just crontab it each time needed |
| 22:32.13 | damog | RvGaTe: man wget, man crontab |
| 22:32.14 | damog | :) |
| 22:32.22 | RvGaTe | damog: using wget, it will only give me the playlist |
| 22:32.32 | RvGaTe | damog: not the actual sound |
| 22:32.48 | MatBoy | dli, do I have to recompile my kernel now ? |
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| 22:33.11 | chron | how do you get rid of gdm |
| 22:33.15 | chron | and boot into console |
| 22:33.25 | abrotman | you want GDM totally gone? or just not to start on boot ? |
| 22:33.29 | dli | MatBoy, make-kpkg modules-image |
| 22:33.31 | chron | not start |
| 22:33.44 | chron | i want to get in the traditional way with startx |
| 22:33.45 | tty54 | abrotman, will aptitude show versions of the same package from all repositories? |
| 22:33.46 | dli | MatBoy, untar the .tar.gz in /usr/src first |
| 22:33.48 | chron | if i need to go into x |
| 22:33.51 | cinix | I am getting "Could not get/set settings from/on resource" the last couple days that I'm guessing are from some updates I did. Has anyone else seen this and determined what's causing it? I see it tring to play music in rhythmbox and banshee |
| 22:33.56 | abrotman | tty54: i bleieve so .. i don't use aptitude |
| 22:33.57 | MatBoy | dli, OK, thanks ! so I have the 2.6.15, and this package should be OK for it ? nvidia-kernel-legacy-source ? |
| 22:34.04 | abrotman | !tell chron about nodb |
| 22:34.06 | abrotman | !tell chron about nodm |
| 22:34.12 | tty54 | abrotman, you use apt-get? |
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| 22:34.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:34.50 | abrotman | tty54: until whenever i replace this HDD .. then i'll switch |
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| 22:35.17 | tty54 | abrotman, is it bad to use both in combination? |
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| 22:35.57 | abrotman | tty54: i don't think so .. but this HDD is due to be replaced .. so i'm going to switch then |
| 22:36.04 | chron | abrotman can i still get back into gnome with startx? |
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| 22:36.13 | abrotman | chron: yep |
| 22:36.27 | damog | RvGaTe: have you looked inside the pls? |
| 22:36.37 | damog | ^ for more answer |
| 22:36.41 | damog | answers |
| 22:36.58 | RvGaTe | damog: http://pastebin.com/758605 |
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| 22:37.48 | ylon | I installed the 2.4.27 includes, however I need /usr/include to be set properly for a build, what is the proper procedure to get that set up right? |
| 22:37.50 | damog | RvGaTe: I know, I just looked |
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| 22:38.49 | RvGaTe | abrotman: the vsound you gave me, only intersepts (dont know how to spell that) the sound that's being send to /dev/dsp... how would i get the radio to the /dev/dsp ? |
| 22:39.05 | abrotman | intercepts |
| 22:39.12 | abrotman | the radio ? |
| 22:39.18 | RvGaTe | its a webradio |
| 22:39.23 | RvGaTe | that im trying to recor |
| 22:39.24 | RvGaTe | d |
| 22:39.26 | abrotman | does it use /dev/dsp ? |
| 22:39.33 | chron | would it be valid to set in /etc/hostname hostname.domainname |
| 22:39.34 | chron | or just hostname by itself? |
| 22:39.37 | chron | and domainname else where |
| 22:39.40 | RvGaTe | i dont know.. abrotman |
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| 22:39.57 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i've recorded other streams like that |
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| 22:40.14 | RvGaTe | abrotman: using debian as desktop or server ? |
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| 22:40.23 | abrotman | !domain name |
| 22:40.24 | dpkg | Edit /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf to set your DNS domain name. Edit /etc/defaultdomain to set your NIS domain name (and see "man domainname" and /usr/share/doc/nis/nis.debian.howto.gz). |
| 22:40.27 | chron | !hostname |
| 22:40.27 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 22:40.31 | chron | ah ok |
| 22:40.44 | Arafangion | abrotman: You still up? |
| 22:40.53 | abrotman | Arafangion: it's only 6:40pm here |
| 22:40.56 | MatBoy | dli, I have run that command you gave me, the legacy version of the nvidia source on the normal (not legacy) version of the kernel. I get a new kernel now that I have to dpkg -i now I guess... as far as I can see |
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| 22:41.04 | Arafangion | abrotman: You've been on all day then! |
| 22:41.13 | magyar | this whole tpb fiasco is a shame |
| 22:41.24 | abrotman | Arafangion: unfortunately .. i don't sleep a bunch .. i was up at 7am .. nice sunday! |
| 22:41.34 | abrotman | Arafangion: and i went and did other things |
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| 22:45.16 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:45.16 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 22:46.30 | belkrem | i have looked all over the referances i am wondering if there is a program like genkernel which config's the kernel for you |
| 22:46.54 | tty54 | abrotman, i have automake-1.7 installed on my debian box, but how do i make it the default automaker |
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| 22:47.26 | abrotman | tty54: man update-alternatives |
| 22:48.01 | tty54 | abrotman, your my favorite guy |
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| 22:48.57 | ZombB | Has anybody successfully done a dist-upgrade in testing without problems switching to xorg7 in the last days? |
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| 22:49.04 | cinix | ZombB, yup |
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| 22:49.29 | ZombB | cinix, when did you do it? |
| 22:49.33 | tty54 | abrotman, do I have to install update-alternatives..? i get command not found when trying to run it |
| 22:49.46 | cinix | ZombB, a week ago? came from sarge |
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| 22:50.10 | cinix | ZombB, I've upgraded today too, what problems are you having? |
| 22:51.12 | tty54 | abrotman, nvm |
| 22:51.16 | ZombB | ciaron, I did not upgrade for the last month (i am running amd64) but I have heard people getting into trouble yesterday and this morning |
| 22:51.35 | ZombB | cinix, I did not upgrade for the last month (i am running amd64) but I have heard people getting into trouble yesterday and this morning |
| 22:51.41 | ZombB | ciaron, sorry! |
| 22:52.09 | cinix | nope, no problems related to xorg |
| 22:52.44 | ZombB | cinix, o.k. then I now what I am doing next weekend |
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| 22:52.57 | cinix | If anyone here is running testing and (rhythmbox or banshee) and could try to play a song and tell me if it works I'd really appreciate it! I can't narrow down what my problem is |
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| 22:54.18 | abrotman | cinix: what do they do with the song? |
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| 22:56.06 | cinix | abrotman, just play it! It gives me an error that makes me think it is having trouble grabbing the settings from my soundcard, but I have no problem using totem or gaim to make sounds. |
| 22:56.23 | abrotman | url ? |
| 22:56.54 | tty54 | abrotman, update-alternatives doesnt work with autoconf? |
| 22:57.28 | abrotman | update-alternatives --list autoconf |
| 22:57.32 | cinix | No url, only one error message: "Could not get/set settings from/on resource" |
| 22:57.45 | tty54 | abrotman, i did, says nothing even though i have 2 other verisons of it installed |
| 22:57.53 | abrotman | cinix: how am i supposed to get the song? |
| 22:58.27 | cinix | abrotman, oh sorry, I meant any song, .wav/.mp3/.ogg doesn't matter |
| 22:58.42 | cinix | I just want to know if it's something in testing or if it's specific to me |
| 22:58.51 | abrotman | cinix: oh .. i was using rhythmbox yesterday |
| 22:59.01 | abrotman | i was trying to help stoned find a better music player |
| 23:00.44 | cinix | yea I broke it somehow since yesterday. do you know a console command to dump alsa settings? |
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| 23:01.48 | abrotman | alsactl .. maybe? |
| 23:03.31 | cinix | ahh I don't get it, I can see the settings fine, I don't see why rhythmbox can't get them. |
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| 23:05.06 | musashiden | hey people. i'm getting this error when trying to compile mysql |
| 23:05.07 | musashiden | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 23:05.07 | musashiden | See `config.log' for more details. |
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| 23:05.35 | belkrem | is there a way to autoconfigure the kernel in debian |
| 23:05.36 | Alam_Debian | musashiden, do you have GCC? |
| 23:05.42 | musashiden | yes |
| 23:05.44 | abrotman | !b-e musashiden |
| 23:05.45 | dpkg | musashiden: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 23:06.46 | adggg | haha |
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| 23:06.57 | adggg | I finally made it!!! |
| 23:07.13 | adggg | my first linux install! |
| 23:07.16 | abrotman | oklahoma? |
| 23:07.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:07.21 | musashiden | now i'm getting this |
| 23:07.21 | musashiden | checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap library found |
| 23:07.31 | adggg | I can't believe it worked! |
| 23:07.34 | abrotman | musashiden: why are you compiling mysql? |
| 23:07.56 | bai | I just did a dist-upgrade which aborted halfway through and told me to remove /usr/X11R6 so it could create some symlinks for Xorg - I did so and it didn't seem to actually create a /usr/X11R6 symlink. How can I force it to create whatever it needs to create manually? |
| 23:07.57 | adggg | I am so happy now |
| 23:07.58 | musashiden | abrotman: because the one that is available for debian is old :P |
| 23:08.03 | abrotman | musashiden: for sarge? |
| 23:08.04 | SlayerXP | abrotman: to optimisifocate it, of course. |
| 23:08.09 | musashiden | abrotman: yes |
| 23:08.12 | musashiden | its 4.1.11 |
| 23:08.13 | abrotman | musashiden: which would you like? |
| 23:08.20 | musashiden | 4.1.20 |
| 23:08.21 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. all versions are crap :) |
| 23:08.26 | peppet | hi. after last upgrade of testing (that involved xorg) keyboard is not correctly mapped and some fonts are unavailable. any hint? |
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| 23:08.32 | abrotman | musashiden: there is a ... mysql5 available for sarge |
| 23:08.43 | musashiden | but i will still need to compile some other stuff |
| 23:08.47 | abrotman | you will? |
| 23:08.48 | musashiden | lol |
| 23:08.53 | abrotman | like what? |
| 23:08.54 | musashiden | yeah? in the future |
| 23:09.07 | musashiden | a L2 emulator |
| 23:09.12 | musashiden | a RO emulator |
| 23:09.13 | abrotman | !tell musashiden about backports |
| 23:09.17 | abrotman | !tell musashiden about search |
| 23:09.29 | musashiden | hah! thats what i was looking for. backports. hehe |
| 23:09.31 | musashiden | thanks! |
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| 23:09.53 | SlayerXP | i avoid compiling stuff for the same reason i avoid rebulding my car when there are roadworks. |
| 23:09.54 | abrotman | musashiden: apt-cache search -- curses -dev |
| 23:10.19 | abrotman | musashiden: but i think the only mysql there is mysql5 |
| 23:10.35 | SlayerXP | musashiden: and it's still crap. |
| 23:10.36 | musashiden | ok, i think i need to upgrade my kernel |
| 23:10.50 | abrotman | there's a newer kernel there too .. but why do you have to upgrade your kernel? |
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| 23:11.03 | musashiden | i did it last time and i had to change something to sda1...dont remember what it was... |
| 23:11.08 | abrotman | you probably ought to run X7 and reiserfs too |
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| 23:11.24 | abrotman | don't forget php5.1.4 |
| 23:11.24 | musashiden | abrotman: because its reading 900MB out of my 2GB of ram onl. heh |
| 23:11.25 | SlayerXP | abauer: and software riad. |
| 23:11.32 | abrotman | musashiden: you have the wrong kernel |
| 23:11.32 | SlayerXP | abrotman: and software raid. |
| 23:11.36 | abrotman | musashiden: a p4 ? |
| 23:11.39 | abrotman | SlayerXP: yes! |
| 23:11.43 | SlayerXP | and LVM on top on software raid. |
| 23:11.49 | musashiden | abrotman: dual xeon |
| 23:12.00 | abrotman | musashiden: wait .. didn't i walk you through this last week? |
| 23:12.05 | musashiden | yeah! |
| 23:12.10 | musashiden | lol |
| 23:12.14 | abrotman | musashiden: do you still have your friend at the colo ? |
| 23:12.21 | abrotman | nope .. when i was done with him . it worked |
| 23:12.24 | musashiden | i can get him there |
| 23:12.27 | abrotman | dunno what he's done since then |
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| 23:12.31 | musashiden | but hopefully it wont fail |
| 23:12.38 | abrotman | musashiden: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 23:12.43 | musashiden | because we know that the main HD is sda |
| 23:12.46 | abrotman | musashiden: and then we'll have to do the grub tricks again |
| 23:12.59 | abrotman | you've got .. 20 minutes til my chicken is done :) |
| 23:13.04 | ylon | I'm trying to compile a module, nwfs, on debian and am having a heck of a time, could anyone experienced at kernel compiling help out? |
| 23:13.24 | ylon | This issue is on kernel 2.4.x |
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| 23:13.58 | musashiden | ok abrotman: done |
| 23:14.05 | musashiden | now what? |
| 23:14.10 | abrotman | musashiden: is grub installed too ? |
| 23:14.19 | musashiden | yeah |
| 23:14.22 | abrotman | musashiden: if you had the server redone .. why didn't you have them use 2.6 to start with |
| 23:14.33 | musashiden | abrotman: i dont know. heh |
| 23:14.37 | abrotman | good thinking! |
| 23:14.42 | bai | is /usr/X11R6 just supposed to be symlinked somewhere for legacy purposes, or what? |
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| 23:14.45 | musashiden | thanks :) |
| 23:14.50 | abrotman | musashiden: go find your /boot/grub/menu.lst .. and make the changes you need |
| 23:15.13 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 23:15.23 | bai | ah cool thanks, I'll check it out |
| 23:15.28 | musashiden | abrotman: what exactly do i change again? |
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| 23:15.49 | musashiden | ./boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686-smp root=/dev/hde1 ro |
| 23:15.51 | abrotman | musashiden: i think it was references from .. hdg1 to sda1 .. but i don't remember exactly |
| 23:16.04 | abrotman | change the root line to ... root=/dev/sda1 |
| 23:16.08 | musashiden | ok |
| 23:16.11 | abrotman | i think that was it |
| 23:16.22 | abrotman | then i think you have to run grub-install again |
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| 23:16.45 | musashiden | i didnt have to do that last time 0_( |
| 23:16.49 | musashiden | o_O* |
| 23:16.51 | abrotman | oh .. then don't do it this time |
| 23:16.52 | ylon | Well, apparently no takers on that, I am in real desperate need right now. Basically it appears that my kernel headers and the /usr/includes directories are not in sync for module compilation |
| 23:16.53 | Dendro | is inkscape currently broken in sid or i have a problem on my side? |
| 23:16.56 | ylon | anyone able to help with that? |
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| 23:17.31 | musashiden | ok...rebooting... |
| 23:17.38 | abrotman | did you pray?!?! |
| 23:17.42 | musashiden | yes |
| 23:17.47 | musashiden | bent to my knees and everything |
| 23:17.50 | abrotman | ok .. then i'm sure $GOD won't let us down |
| 23:18.03 | abrotman | $DIETY .. whatever |
| 23:18.11 | Amarande | $DEITY |
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| 23:18.38 | pyrohotdog | okay so I have xgl set as default...but it doesn't work...how do I switch it back to gdm or kdm? |
| 23:18.40 | abrotman | Amarande: $DEITY will know what i meant :) |
| 23:18.56 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: in ubuntu? |
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| 23:19.45 | musashiden | yay, it worked! |
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| 23:20.03 | pyrohotdog | debian |
| 23:20.10 | abrotman | musashiden: see all your RAM ? |
| 23:20.17 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: there's no Xgl in debian |
| 23:20.25 | musashiden | yup |
| 23:20.32 | abrotman | what was next? |
| 23:20.34 | musashiden | Mem: 2076368k total |
| 23:20.37 | abrotman | boo! |
| 23:20.46 | pyrohotdog | well I found a tutorial for installing it in Debian...didn't work obviously. lol |
| 23:20.49 | abrotman | musashiden: look at backports.org for instructions on how to use it |
| 23:20.52 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: no kidding |
| 23:20.57 | pyrohotdog | Well, it almost did, but it wants Xorg. |
| 23:21.07 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: which veresion of xorg? |
| 23:21.16 | pyrohotdog | not sure. |
| 23:21.23 | abrotman | are you on sarge? |
| 23:21.25 | Buchannon | how can I tell if any IMAP server is running? |
| 23:21.30 | pyrohotdog | It's just missing files. |
| 23:21.32 | adggg | now that I have debian running, do I need to install a firewall to protect it? |
| 23:21.33 | abrotman | Buchannon: telnet <server> 143 |
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| 23:21.44 | abrotman | adggg: depends what services you have |
| 23:21.45 | pyrohotdog | libXau.so.6 to be precise. |
| 23:21.52 | abrotman | !find libXau.so.6 sarge |
| 23:21.57 | abrotman | !find libXau.so sarge |
| 23:22.06 | adggg | what services would require it? and what firewall would I need? |
| 23:22.16 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libXau.so.6' returned no results. |
| 23:22.17 | abrotman | adggg: that's at your discretion |
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| 23:22.20 | |ryan| | anyone here use the vserver-debiantools package? It is not working for me., |
| 23:22.24 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libXau.so' returned no results. |
| 23:22.45 | adggg | abrotman: I'm new at this, do you have any wise tips? |
| 23:22.46 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: there is a backport of xorg at backports.org .. but i think xgl requires 6.9 or 7.0 .. i don't know which is there |
| 23:22.48 | x_or | Does anyone know how to troubleshoot apm/acpi? It doesn't seem to register anything when I press the button on the case. |
| 23:22.53 | abrotman | adggg: is this a server or workstation ? |
| 23:22.57 | x_or | I've compiled the kernel with acpi, I've got acpid running. |
| 23:23.04 | adggg | abrotman: workstation |
| 23:23.04 | pyrohotdog | So how can I make gdm my default again? |
| 23:23.11 | musashiden | i hate the debian deb links, most of them dont work. lol |
| 23:23.17 | musashiden | 0% [Connecting to ftp.debian.org (128.101.240.212)] |
| 23:23.21 | abrotman | adggg: so it's already behind a firewall ? |
| 23:23.28 | abrotman | musashiden: try another mirror .. i think that one is wonky |
| 23:23.34 | adggg | abrotman: no, nothing yet |
| 23:23.43 | abrotman | adggg: it's just on the internet? |
| 23:23.49 | Althaser | glxgears come in which package ? please |
| 23:23.50 | adggg | abrotman: yes |
| 23:23.55 | abrotman | jelly-ho: how do you handle two #debians ? |
| 23:24.01 | abrotman | adggg: what's your IP address? |
| 23:24.08 | chron | what's the easiest way to completely delete something from runlevel? |
| 23:24.15 | chron | from booting |
| 23:24.16 | adggg | abrotman: why do you want to know? |
| 23:24.21 | abrotman | chron: man update-rc.d |
| 23:24.27 | chron | nah |
| 23:24.28 | abrotman | adggg: your Ip address :) |
| 23:24.32 | abrotman | chron: yes |
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| 23:24.34 | chron | i need an easier solution |
| 23:24.35 | beetlepun_ | hi |
| 23:24.41 | musashiden | checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap library found |
| 23:24.41 | chron | someone that knows how to use it |
| 23:24.42 | abrotman | that is easy .. jsut read the man page .. dont' be so lazy |
| 23:24.48 | chron | trust me i did lmao |
| 23:24.50 | abrotman | musashiden: apt-cache search -- curses -dev |
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| 23:24.58 | abrotman | chron: that's pretty damn easy |
| 23:25.00 | abrotman | !update-rc.d |
| 23:25.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf |
| 23:25.03 | adggg | apt-get firewall???? |
| 23:25.05 | musashiden | abrotman: then the links doesnt work :P |
| 23:25.07 | chron | update-rc.d del <script> ? |
| 23:25.10 | chron | that's the easiest way? |
| 23:25.12 | abrotman | musashiden: huh ? |
| 23:25.21 | Dendro | chron, it's easy... update-rc.d -f -n script remove |
| 23:25.22 | abrotman | chron: unless you know what you're doing :) |
| 23:25.25 | chron | ah ok thanks |
| 23:25.30 | musashiden | abrotman: libncurses5-dev |
| 23:25.34 | abrotman | musashiden: yay! |
| 23:25.35 | musashiden | thats what i need right? |
| 23:25.46 | chron | now that wouldn't get rid of it completely from /etc/init.d right? |
| 23:25.47 | abrotman | musashiden: why are you compiling mysql again ? |
| 23:25.48 | beetlepun_ | can someone verify me if its normal (not linux) that an icmp reply be caused by a udp packet? |
| 23:25.53 | abrotman | chron: nope |
| 23:25.58 | musashiden | abrotman: dont worry about it! lol |
| 23:26.05 | musashiden | 0% [Connecting to ftp.debian.org (128.101.240.212)] |
| 23:26.08 | abrotman | musashiden: you know the one in sarge has security patches .. right ? |
| 23:26.26 | musashiden | yes, and i dont need that |
| 23:26.27 | abrotman | musashiden: use apt-setup .. pick another mirror .. stop using ftp.debian.org .. use like .. the one in berkeley or something |
| 23:26.42 | jelly-ho | abrotman: [...] I don't. |
| 23:26.52 | abrotman | jelly-ho: you should! |
| 23:27.05 | chron | what i also don't get with update-rc.d is why must i supply 2 runlevel's? |
| 23:27.06 | abrotman | musashiden: you'll have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list to remove the ftp.debian.org |
| 23:27.16 | chron | says update-rc.d [-n] name start|stop NN runlevel runlevel |
| 23:27.29 | jelly-ho | abrotman: I was thinking of an aggregator script to merge them into one xchat tab... |
| 23:27.36 | abrotman | chron: the second is optional |
| 23:27.49 | chron | to start it twice or something? |
| 23:27.50 | chron | lol |
| 23:27.54 | abrotman | jelly-ho: i thought about that .. but i think i'd go crazy .. more than normal |
| 23:27.58 | abrotman | chron: different run levels |
| 23:28.12 | chron | ok and also how can you see which are open? |
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| 23:28.21 | abrotman | which what are open ? |
| 23:28.24 | chron | i have a bunch of debian services started |
| 23:28.27 | chron | are running i mean sorry |
| 23:28.31 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 23:28.32 | dpkg | [open ports] netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 23:28.36 | chron | no no |
| 23:28.40 | musashiden | abrotman: thanks again |
| 23:28.42 | chron | which init scripts are open |
| 23:29.42 | abrotman | look in that directory? |
| 23:29.42 | chron | like how can you tell which scripts are open and not? |
| 23:29.43 | crazy_penguin | good night to all! sleep well! |
| 23:29.58 | Dendro | good night crazy_penguin. |
| 23:30.07 | chron | whatever is rcS.d and rc2.d ? |
| 23:30.16 | abrotman | run levels |
| 23:30.25 | chron | !init |
| 23:30.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, init is the init daemon |
| 23:30.28 | abrotman | !runlevels |
| 23:30.29 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
| 23:30.30 | ylon | does no one here know how to troubleshoot kernel module compilation issues? I've tried #kernel, #gentoo (they won't even try to answer my question as they say I have to come here) |
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| 23:30.46 | abrotman | ylon: show sid your problem |
| 23:30.49 | chron | so pretty much things that start in the beginning are what? |
| 23:31.05 | chron | rcS.d and rc2.d ? |
| 23:31.17 | ylon | I'm trying to compile a module, nwfs, on debian and am having a heck of a time, could anyone experienced at kernel compiling help out? The module is the old nwfs mod found at: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/fs/nwfs/nwfs1201-01.tar.gz |
| 23:31.25 | ylon | apparently I'm missing some, or screwing up some, dependencies in the includes |
| 23:32.17 | abrotman | got a log ? |
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| 23:32.33 | chron | hey abrotman since you know the answer |
| 23:32.37 | chron | can you answer a simple question |
| 23:32.44 | ylon | abrotman: a log of the error? perhaps you're not talking to me though |
| 23:32.53 | chron | is rc2.d and rcS.d the dirs i need to worry about for start up? |
| 23:32.56 | chron | and more any less? |
| 23:32.59 | abrotman | ylon: yes |
| 23:33.08 | abrotman | chron: maybe rc1.d too |
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| 23:33.33 | ylon | abrotman: yes, is there a bucket to dump logs into for this channel? |
| 23:33.37 | chron | alright thx |
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| 23:33.45 | efaistos | hi |
| 23:33.51 | MatBoy | I have a very strange thing with my kernel and the nvidia source. I get the message that the builds are not correct. I have the kernel 2.6.15 and the legacy nvidia-source for 2.6.15 |
| 23:33.53 | efaistos | is there a java pkg available ? |
| 23:34.02 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:34.04 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 23:34.07 | abrotman | !tell efaistos about install java |
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| 23:34.33 | efaistos | for firefox ... |
| 23:35.15 | lanchow | efaistos: jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin |
| 23:35.23 | abrotman | java-package should make a plugin for you |
| 23:35.28 | abrotman | java-package is pretty easy |
| 23:36.47 | ylon | okay abrotman: |
| 23:36.49 | ylon | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2738 |
| 23:37.01 | abrotman | moment |
| 23:37.04 | ylon | and anyone else that would please take a look over this |
| 23:37.12 | chron | now if i remove some of these from run level and if i don't remember the exact numbers it used, e.g, S18portmap lets say |
| 23:37.19 | ylon | I believe it is simply an issue of having my kernel includes mismatched |
| 23:37.21 | chron | then i guess next time i would have to assign it another number? |
| 23:37.23 | efaistos | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 23:37.34 | chron | and never be able to get the runlevel number unless i wrote it down? |
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| 23:37.43 | chron | never be able to get the default* runlevel |
| 23:38.08 | chron | i would always have to assign it a number manually, correct/ |
| 23:38.21 | dragonfly | hey all, i'm trying to install on a Dell Dimension 3000 and cannot seem to get X configured correctly |
| 23:38.22 | musashiden | hey guys, what file is it that i have to modify to add more IPs in debian? |
| 23:38.40 | Dendro | chron, reinstall portmap... if you simply delete the symlinks with update-rc.d next time you upgrade portmap, the links are in place again. |
| 23:38.57 | chron | and update-rc.d portmap remove |
| 23:39.00 | chron | is what will delete it right? |
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| 23:39.19 | Dendro | chron, yes. |
| 23:39.19 | chron | so you're saying if i want the default symlinks with the default run numbers, i would need to reinstall? |
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| 23:39.34 | Dendro | i suppose you could use again update-rc.d |
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| 23:39.47 | chron | but i would need to jot the default numbers down before deleting right? |
| 23:39.58 | chron | because all the run numbers are manual? |
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| 23:40.04 | chron | the 0-99 #s |
| 23:40.34 | chron | or is there something on debian that can just assign a good number for that? |
| 23:41.10 | Dendro | update-rc.d will assign a default number i think. |
| 23:41.17 | chron | oh |
| 23:41.21 | chron | i thought you had to supply NN |
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| 23:41.27 | chron | and i thought update-rc.d blah remove |
| 23:41.35 | chron | simply deletes what's in those rc.*d/ folders |
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| 23:42.06 | chron | like if portmap links with S18portmap lets say to /etc/init.d/portmap |
| 23:42.15 | chron | i thought update-rc.d just deletes that link |
| 23:42.19 | chron | isn't that what it is? |
| 23:42.24 | Dendro | yes. |
| 23:42.45 | chron | and you're' saying update-rc.d can assign a default 0-99 value? |
| 23:42.57 | chron | next time if i were to add it |
| 23:43.06 | Dendro | Just save the output of update-rc.d -f -n portmap remove to a file. |
| 23:43.17 | Dendro | if you need to remember the numbers. |
| 23:43.27 | chron | ok so it can't give deafult #s back |
| 23:43.37 | chron | yea that's what i was gonna do but was just wondering if it would give defaults |
| 23:44.11 | chron | so i take that as a no |
| 23:44.17 | Dendro | just try the -n option with defaults. It doesn't do nothing. |
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| 23:45.04 | Buchannon | how can I see if my IMAP server is running by using the same machine? Is there a command I can type to show me a list of programs using the internet? |
| 23:45.19 | Dendro | chron, with -n update-rc.d only shows what's doing. |
| 23:45.22 | robin_sz | netstat -tuapn |
| 23:45.24 | mo1991 | I cannot see my samba share in nautilus - debian sarge. I can see the network and computer but when I click on the computer it doesn't show the shares. My windows machine can see the shares though? Any help? |
| 23:45.25 | chron | yea i'm doing the -f -n |
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| 23:45.31 | chron | the pretending thing heh |
| 23:45.32 | mo1991 | smbclient seems to see the shares too |
| 23:45.39 | chron | so i'm probably gonna output that onto a file |
| 23:46.13 | robin_sz | Buchannon, as root type "netstat -tuapn" |
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| 23:46.48 | bahatpc | I created a self-signed CA certificate with openssl, but forgot to encrypt it with a password. Can anybody tell me what the appropriate openssl command would be to apply a password? |
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| 23:47.28 | Buchannon | robin_sz: thanks! |
| 23:47.30 | chron | now lets say i put back somethign in the runlevel as /etc/rc2.d/18portmap, what would the ``update-rc.d'' syntax look like? |
| 23:47.39 | chron | the correct |
| 23:48.59 | kyncani | !update-rc.d |
| 23:49.00 | dpkg | well, update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf |
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| 23:49.15 | chron | defaults adds to where? lol |
| 23:49.27 | chron | what if i wanted to control where it goes in rcN.d |
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| 23:51.36 | ylon | abrotman: how is it going? any thoughts about that? |
| 23:51.43 | chron | is there a way to make the rcN.d/SNNfile |
| 23:51.46 | chron | to prefix K? |
| 23:51.48 | chron | with a script? |
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| 23:52.45 | kyncani | ... man update-rc.d ? and read carefully this 3 pages manpage ??? |
| 23:52.48 | abrotman | ylon: did you apply a patch ? |
| 23:52.57 | chron | nah |
| 23:53.00 | ylon | no, I pulled the source straight as it was |
| 23:53.07 | abrotman | chron: stop being so damn lazy .. go read |
| 23:53.12 | chron | read it |
| 23:53.13 | abrotman | ylon: gcc --version |
| 23:53.13 | Buchannon | is there an option somewhere that is net letting connections into my server for IMAP? It says there is the IMAP server running on port 143 but it keeps saying connection was refused |
| 23:53.15 | chron | doesn't make any sense |
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| 23:53.22 | abrotman | chron: read it *again* |
| 23:53.25 | ylon | well, I simply grabbed the headers via apt-get |
| 23:53.28 | chron | nah |
| 23:53.42 | abrotman | !tell chron about fish |
| 23:53.43 | ylon | plus used some instructions on kernel compile on the debian reference (7.1) |
| 23:53.45 | abrotman | !tell chron about spoonfeed |
| 23:53.54 | chron | !tell abrotman about spoonfeed |
| 23:53.58 | ylon | abrotman: gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 23:54.08 | lanchow | !tell lanchow about spoonfeed |
| 23:54.19 | chron | it's just a thin line between |
| 23:54.20 | abrotman | i was wrong .. there's no spoonfeed factoid |
| 23:54.20 | KerPlunk | lanchow: /msg dpkg spoonfeed |
| 23:54.23 | chron | whether you can help or not, nahm sayin |
| 23:54.24 | KerPlunk | !tell lanchow about msgdpkg |
| 23:54.33 | ylon | abrotman: (from the manual) I did: apt-get install debhelper modutils kernel-package libncurses5-dev |
| 23:54.41 | ylon | which gave me the /usr/include contents |
| 23:54.45 | KerPlunk | chron: What are you trying to do? |
| 23:55.00 | abrotman | KerPlunk: he's trying to avoid reading the man page |
| 23:55.02 | chron | basically see if i can prefix K in the S scripts |
| 23:55.06 | chron | with a script |
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| 23:55.27 | chron | or does remove automatically do that |
| 23:56.16 | Buchannon | is there an option somewhere that is net letting connections into my server for IMAP? It says there is the IMAP server running on port 143 but it keeps saying connection was refused |
| 23:56.29 | sid | !tell chron about update-rc.d |
| 23:56.30 | abrotman | your firewall maybe? your ISP maybe? |
| 23:56.34 | chron | NAH |
| 23:56.35 | chron | you idiot |
| 23:56.43 | chron | there's not a character "K" in that script |
| 23:56.45 | abrotman | lazy people suck |
| 23:56.50 | sid | chron: read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process |
| 23:56.58 | chron | hi i'm passed that |
| 23:57.04 | abrotman | ylon: which version of debian is this ? |
| 23:57.16 | chron | prefix S to K |
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| 23:57.23 | chron | i don't feel like mv -v |
| 23:57.24 | sid | abrotman: Why doesn't he want to read the man page? |
| 23:57.28 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 23:57.28 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:57.33 | chron | you idiot i said i'm passed that |
| 23:57.42 | chron | abrotman why doesn't he understand that yet |
| 23:57.43 | abrotman | sid: it's too hard? |
| 23:57.46 | sid | This bugger is angry abrotman |
| 23:57.48 | pyrohotdog | In KDE you can cycle virtual desktops with the scroll wheel, is there a way to do that in gnome/metacity? |
| 23:57.49 | ylon | abrotman: debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:57.50 | sid | Why is he so upset? |
| 23:57.55 | chron | lmao |
| 23:57.55 | abrotman | sid: because he can't read? |
| 23:57.57 | abrotman | i have no idea |
| 23:58.02 | sid | hmm, that's probably why. |
| 23:58.16 | chron | anyways |
| 23:58.20 | chron | go man update-rc.d |
| 23:58.27 | chron | you guys clearly don't understand it yet |
| 23:58.39 | chron | let alone understand what i'm asking |
| 23:58.53 | abrotman | then why ask us .. go find smart people |
| 23:58.58 | chron | anyone smart tell me |
| 23:59.08 | chron | if update-rc.d remove prefixes K to the S scripts |
| 23:59.16 | chron | or what would do that, or is that manually done |
| 23:59.26 | sid | chron: Why don't you read the man page? |
| 23:59.30 | MatBoy | etch is really a pain with nvidia and the sources :( |
| 23:59.31 | sid | chron: Or do it and look. |
| 23:59.33 | chron | !tell sid about update-rc.d |
| 23:59.41 | musashiden | how do i add more IPs in debian? |
| 23:59.43 | abrotman | chron: it really is in the man page |
| 23:59.49 | abrotman | musashiden: man interfaces |
| 23:59.54 | abrotman | !tell musashiden about interfaces |
| 23:59.58 | Azar | MatBoy: not true, unless you use the nvidia driver |
