| 00:00.01 | abrotman | erm .. man 5 interfaces |
| 00:00.09 | sid | !tell chron about abuse |
| 00:00.29 | chron | damn dude you man dpkg_bot |
| 00:00.33 | chron | leet |
| 00:00.43 | Azar | MatBoy: rectification: unless you download the nvidia driver from nvidia site |
| 00:00.51 | chron | you must work at some high paying security firm |
| 00:00.55 | MatBoy | Azar, I use the nvidia-driver. have problems with Xinerama and NV |
| 00:00.59 | ylon | abrotman: seems that it is just conflicting with the contents of /usr/inlcude, libc and kernel headers is it not? |
| 00:01.23 | musashiden | that manual doesnt help at all! |
| 00:01.28 | abrotman | ylon: oh .. it is a bug in your stuff |
| 00:01.30 | Azar | MatBoy: I have the nvidia driver setup on etch, but I am using xfree86 - it works ok |
| 00:01.40 | musashiden | i just want an example of what the interfaces file looks like |
| 00:01.57 | ylon | abrotman: yes, it seems so |
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| 00:02.02 | musashiden | i remember someone posted one for me on the pastebin |
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| 00:02.19 | ylon | abrotman: I think I'm missing the proper method to set up the dependencies for proper compile |
| 00:02.30 | MatBoy | Azar, it works OK, but when I compile a new kernel... it need sources... so install them and install the modules... than I get the message that the module is different than X |
| 00:02.50 | musashiden | anybody? |
| 00:02.54 | abrotman | ylon: i think the code is broken |
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| 00:03.19 | abrotman | musashiden: google "IP alias" |
| 00:03.21 | dragonfly | musashiden, what exactly are you trying to do (add more ips) |
| 00:03.27 | musashiden | yes |
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| 00:03.41 | ylon | abrotman: hmmm |
| 00:03.41 | Azar | musashiden: you can view the interfaces file in /etc/network: less /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:03.49 | abrotman | he's trying to add like eth0:0 |
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| 00:03.58 | Azar | MatBoy: because you use the nvidia from nvidia website |
| 00:04.00 | musashiden | exactly! |
| 00:04.15 | MatBoy | Azar, nope, I didn't |
| 00:04.18 | musashiden | can someone give me an example of what it should look like? |
| 00:04.20 | zinx | musashiden: what do you expect more IPs to get you? |
| 00:04.22 | tuxedup | i was wondering, has anyone tried out adept from unstable, if so are there any serious problems with it? |
| 00:04.23 | abrotman | musashiden: google "IP alias" |
| 00:04.24 | MidgetARG | hey guys, how can I find the package name of a piece of software I want to install? (tcl/tcl-dev in this case) |
| 00:04.27 | ylon | abrotman: well, curious, is there a way force a module from 2.4.17-pre2 to insert into 2.4.27-2-386? |
| 00:04.31 | Azar | MatBoy: so how do you install nvidia driver? |
| 00:04.35 | musashiden | abrotman: already did |
| 00:04.36 | abrotman | ylon: not that i'm aware of |
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| 00:04.41 | abrotman | musashiden: it's like the first freaking hit |
| 00:04.55 | MidgetARG | aptitude search tcl gives me a bunch of stuff but tcl/tcl-dev are listed with a "v" beside them and aren't installable packages |
| 00:05.04 | dragonfly | MidgetARG, apt-cache search tcl/tcl-dev |
| 00:05.18 | MatBoy | Azar, I just apt-get it some weeks ago |
| 00:05.21 | musashiden | wtf? i dont see anything on the first hit =.= |
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| 00:05.27 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=IP+alias&btnG=Google+Search |
| 00:05.31 | MidgetSpy | dragonfly: thanks |
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| 00:06.03 | MatBoy | Azar, can you make a pastebin for me what you have done to install it ? |
| 00:06.05 | musashiden | all i want is an example of someones interface file of a box that has multiple ips. |
| 00:06.07 | dragonfly | no problem |
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| 00:06.48 | dragonfly | musashiden: just wondering, what is the point/benefit of having "multiple ips" |
| 00:06.49 | Azar | MatBoy: one second |
| 00:06.59 | MatBoy | Zazar, great ! |
| 00:07.00 | Azar | MatBoy: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 00:07.07 | abrotman | dragonfly: things like SSL don't work with name based virtual hosts in apache .. so you use multiple IPs |
| 00:07.08 | MatBoy | Azar, Etch |
| 00:07.17 | musashiden | dragonfly: having multiple applications on the same port with different ips |
| 00:07.20 | musashiden | dont worry about it |
| 00:07.30 | musashiden | i just need an example of what it should look like! |
| 00:07.37 | Azar | MatBoy: in pm? |
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| 00:07.53 | MatBoy | Azar, what you want ! |
| 00:08.39 | dragonfly | i c |
| 00:08.46 | abrotman | i found an example .. on google |
| 00:09.05 | musashiden | link me? |
| 00:09.20 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=IP+alias+debian&btnG=Search |
| 00:09.32 | musashiden | ..... |
| 00:09.40 | abrotman | that's how i found it! |
| 00:09.47 | musashiden | dude, that is not it |
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| 00:09.57 | musashiden | it was different from that in my last setup |
| 00:10.09 | abrotman | you didn't save the file ? |
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| 00:10.39 | tty54 | abrotman, error building EWL ---> http://pastebin.ca/61883 |
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| 00:10.59 | abrotman | tty54: i think you mean to tell #e |
| 00:11.11 | tty54 | abrotman, they cant figure it out |
| 00:11.25 | tty54 | abrotman, it's up to you |
| 00:11.27 | abrotman | i've never seen the e17 build system .. i have no idea what the lack of error means |
| 00:11.43 | abrotman | Error 255!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:11.47 | tty54 | w00t! |
| 00:11.55 | tty54 | Error 255!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 00:12.03 | musashiden | abrotman: no. |
| 00:12.20 | abrotman | jeez! |
| 00:12.39 | MidgetSpy | hey guys this may be a little off-topic so if you know of a better channel for me to ask in please let me know. I have a mail server running on by debian box and it is working correctly afaik (I can send emails to myself...), but when I send an email from somewhere else it seems just vanish. my server never recieves it and the sender never gets it bounced. how can I figure out what's going wrong? |
| 00:13.13 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: for starters .. run a DNS check on the domain |
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| 00:15.53 | musashiden | anybody? |
| 00:16.26 | abrotman | musashiden: come on .. there's a sample there |
| 00:16.55 | abrotman | http://nlug.org/mail/nlug__2003_05/0262.html |
| 00:16.59 | abrotman | so freaking lazy |
| 00:17.47 | broadcaster | i'm having this weird problem when compiling uml 2.6.16 on debian testing: ld: cannot find -lstdc++ <br> make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1. but /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 exists... what is wrong here? |
| 00:18.12 | musashiden | abrotman: oh, i see it now |
| 00:18.23 | abrotman | broadcaster: maybe needs a header file ? |
| 00:18.31 | abrotman | musashiden: yeah .. next time .. try a few links :) |
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| 00:18.54 | musashiden | how come the locate command keeps redirecing to something else? |
| 00:19.04 | broadcaster | abrotman: -lstdc++ means that ld should use a library, header files are for compilers, or not? |
| 00:19.07 | musashiden | locate mysqld |
| 00:19.08 | musashiden | locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 00:19.23 | blondie | musashiden: it doesnt |
| 00:19.28 | musashiden | how come is only searching there and not the harddrive? |
| 00:19.29 | abrotman | broadcaster: i would think so |
| 00:19.31 | blondie | musashiden: but run updatedb |
| 00:19.34 | abrotman | musashiden: man updatedb |
| 00:20.07 | abrotman | broadcaster: maybe there's another stdc++ it's looking for? |
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| 00:20.20 | broadcaster | abrotman: could be. in forums i found people saying that libstdc++-devel must be installed, but that doesn't exist as a package |
| 00:20.50 | abrotman | !info libstdc++-dev |
| 00:21.15 | abrotman | !find libstdc++ sarge |
| 00:21.16 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libstdc++' (13): libstdc++2.10-dbg ;; libstdc++2.10-dev ;; libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ;; libstdc++5 ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dbg ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dev ;; libstdc++5-3.3-doc ;; libstdc++5-3.3-pic ;; libstdc++6 ;; libstdc++6-dbg ;; libstdc++6-dev ;; libstdc++6-doc ;; libstdc++6-pic. |
| 00:21.22 | abrotman | wheeeee |
| 00:21.51 | broadcaster | abrotman: sorry, libstdc++6-4.1-dev *is* installed |
| 00:22.21 | abrotman | this is .. sid ? |
| 00:22.39 | broadcaster | testing |
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| 00:23.19 | abrotman | broadcaster: can you find out which file it's actually looking for ? |
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| 00:23.46 | broadcaster | abrotman: i don't know how... |
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| 00:24.53 | dragonfly | is there a way to configure apt to download from multiple sources simutaneously? I have 3 different sources in my sources.list but it seems to always download from just the one |
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| 00:25.16 | ylon | any way I can get a 2.4.17-pre2 or pre1 or heck, 2.5.1-pre1 kernel install for debian? |
| 00:25.32 | dondelelcaro | dragonfly: it'll download from them in the order in which they are listed from in your sources.list |
| 00:25.35 | ylon | or find a kernel image to install along with its source and headers anywhere? |
| 00:25.56 | dondelelcaro | dragonfly: in almost every place there are mirrors which are fast enough to saturate your upstream connection; if that's not happening, you should probably switch mirrors |
| 00:25.57 | abrotman | broadcaster: build-essential is installed ? right ? |
| 00:26.05 | dragonfly | ok, just thought if i could get it to download from more than just the first one i could get more speed :D |
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| 00:26.37 | dragonfly | well, it's coming at about 55-60 kb/s sometimes up to 62 so nothing to complain too loudly about, just a though |
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| 00:26.50 | dragonfly | *thought |
| 00:26.53 | abrotman | i was more curious why it didn't start to configure packages once they're downloaded :) |
| 00:27.01 | musashiden | how come that when i installed phpmyadmin, it redirects me to cgi-bin/php/phpmyadmin/index.php ? |
| 00:27.07 | broadcaster | abrotman: it wasn't |
| 00:27.10 | MatBoy | !tell nvidia oneliner |
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| 00:27.23 | MatBoy | !tell nvidia one liner |
| 00:27.24 | abrotman | broadcaster: please install that .. run ./configure again .. try to compile again |
| 00:27.27 | musashiden | i used apt-get install phpmyadmin |
| 00:27.31 | abrotman | !tell MatBoy about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:27.37 | broadcaster | abrotman: but installing it doesn't help. why should i build debian packages? hmmm, ok, i will try... |
| 00:27.41 | abrotman | !tell musashiden about equivs |
| 00:27.48 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 00:27.57 | MatBoy | :D |
| 00:28.07 | alexbodn | hello, does anybody know the format of /etc/network/run/ifstate? |
| 00:28.10 | tty54 | abrotman, how can I list all the versions of a package? |
| 00:28.13 | broadcaster | abrotman: there is no configure script in the kernel sources. |
| 00:28.27 | dondelelcaro | alexbodn: you really shouldn't ever need to parse that, since it's an ifupdwon state file |
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| 00:28.36 | abrotman | tty54: apt-cache policy "package" |
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| 00:28.41 | abrotman | broadcaster: oh yeah :) |
| 00:28.50 | abrotman | broadcaster: install build-essential .. try again |
| 00:29.00 | broadcaster | abrotman: i did. no change. |
| 00:29.22 | abrotman | hrm |
| 00:29.27 | broadcaster | abrotman: are you maybe confusing it with another package? build-essential is fpr building packages, not for kernels... |
| 00:29.36 | musashiden | ok...that helps me how? |
| 00:30.34 | abrotman | broadcaster: build-essential is for basic compiling |
| 00:30.38 | alexbodn | i'm maintaining rp-l2tp, which brings up a ppp connection over eth0. first, i don't know at if-pre-up what the physical connection will be. next, i'd like the tunnel connection would be brought down before the eth0 it relies upon |
| 00:30.39 | broadcaster | abrotman: it also only happens when running 'make ARCH=um', not with the i386 kernel |
| 00:30.48 | abrotman | um ? |
| 00:30.53 | Coweater | usermode |
| 00:30.56 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:31.04 | broadcaster | user mode linux |
| 00:31.05 | musashiden | how come that when i installed phpmyadmin, it redirects me to cgi-bin/php/phpmyadmin/index.php ? |
| 00:31.22 | abrotman | because that's where it is |
| 00:31.25 | broadcaster | i wonder what is using c++ in there... |
| 00:31.26 | MatBoy | Can someone tell me what sources I need for this moment on Etch to use the nvidia one-liner ? |
| 00:31.38 | musashiden | abrotman: The requested URL /cgi-bin/php/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server. |
| 00:31.42 | musashiden | apparently not |
| 00:31.47 | abrotman | MatBoy: it says contrib and non-free |
| 00:32.13 | MatBoy | abrotman, yes I have done that... problem is that it can;t find the source and the -glx |
| 00:32.23 | abrotman | musashiden: did you configure apapche ? |
| 00:32.35 | abrotman | MatBoy: did you run apt-get update? |
| 00:32.39 | Azar | MatBoy: I was on the phone |
| 00:32.40 | musashiden | no. i just used apt-get install apache2 |
| 00:32.53 | MatBoy | abrotman, this is what it can't find nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 00:32.58 | MatBoy | yes I have updated apt-get |
| 00:33.04 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 00:33.07 | harfooz | MatBoy, are you running etch? |
| 00:33.20 | MatBoy | harfooz, yes I am |
| 00:33.22 | abrotman | MatBoy: i don't think it has filtered in yet |
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| 00:33.34 | MatBoy | Azar, no problem ! |
| 00:33.35 | harfooz | ok, then nvidia-glx is not available in etch. |
| 00:33.37 | abrotman | musashiden: and you didn't configure apache at all ? |
| 00:33.49 | harfooz | MatBoy, here's what I did. |
| 00:33.53 | MatBoy | abrotman, another update-command ? |
| 00:34.02 | harfooz | I modified my sources.list to include sid. |
| 00:34.06 | musashiden | abrotman: erm, no? |
| 00:34.08 | abrotman | MatBoy: there's no nvidia binary crap in etch right now |
| 00:34.12 | harfooz | Then apply the one-liner. |
| 00:34.18 | alexbodn | hi dondelelcaro, did you see my reason to cope with ifstate? |
| 00:34.24 | musashiden | abrotman: but the apache welcome page works. so... |
| 00:34.30 | MatBoy | abrotman, nope indeed... but I want Etch fopr my workstation |
| 00:34.31 | abrotman | musashiden: maybe you need to read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin ? |
| 00:34.35 | abrotman | musashiden: maybe you need to read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/* ? |
| 00:34.50 | MatBoy | harfooz, that worked OK ? |
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| 00:36.03 | talljon84 | I am attempting to install phpmyadmin using apt-get. Debian gave me a short series of config options after it first installed the .deb package. Is there any way to get it to go through that setup again? |
| 00:36.17 | harfooz | MatBoy, is this a fresh installation on etch, or is the situation due to X being upgraded? |
| 00:36.22 | abrotman | talljon84: dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
| 00:36.26 | kirbymeister | mesa-common-dev and xlibosmesa-dev are conflicting on my testing box: when apt-get tries to configure and install mesa-common-dev it complains that it's overwriting a package in xlibosmesa-dev |
| 00:36.32 | kirbymeister | *file |
| 00:36.42 | abrotman | !overwrite |
| 00:36.43 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 00:36.52 | MatBoy | harfooz, This is an enviroment that is running now for 6 weeks |
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| 00:36.58 | kirbymeister | ok thanks |
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| 00:37.25 | harfooz | MatBoy, was nvidia-glx removed due to the X upgrade (that's what happened to me)? If so, then you'll need to reboot after the one-liner. |
| 00:37.28 | MatBoy | harfooz, I can ssh to the workstation and update it with X closed |
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| 00:38.03 | MatBoy | harfooz, I will reboot to be sure ! |
| 00:38.06 | harfooz | MatBoy, if you didn't have nvidia-glx installed on there previously then the one-liner should work fine (as long as sid is in the sources.) |
| 00:38.28 | talljon84 | abortman: thanks. that helped; however, it stated that it was "Not replacing deleted config file" and my larger problem still exists: Apache is not recognizing the .phtml file and parsing it. The browser instead offers to download it. |
| 00:38.30 | musashiden | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.31 | musashiden | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.33 | MatBoy | harfooz, just change etch for stable isn't it ? |
| 00:38.35 | musashiden | well it isnt <_< |
| 00:38.46 | abrotman | !tell talljon84 about confmiss |
| 00:39.00 | harfooz | MatBoy, etch is "testing", sarge is "stable" sid is "unstable" |
| 00:39.08 | abrotman | currently anyways |
| 00:39.18 | musashiden | why is debian being so hard to deal with lately <_< |
| 00:39.32 | harfooz | MatBoy, want me to post my sources.list? |
| 00:39.35 | MatBoy | harfooz, oh yes indeed it was... damn, it;s almost 3 am here :) |
| 00:39.49 | MatBoy | harfooz, if you want to |
| 00:40.42 | harfooz | MatBoy, here you go ... let me get the url. |
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| 00:40.44 | kirbymeister | thanks a ton, now to file a bug against mesa-common-dev |
| 00:40.48 | tonyrad | Hello |
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| 00:41.16 | tonyrad | Retarded question... What would you suggest as a movie player? |
| 00:41.19 | harfooz | MatBoy, http://penguinsolutions.org/harfooz.sources.list |
| 00:41.58 | harfooz | MatBoy, The first four lines are standard etch repos. The next two are for sid which I uncommented for the nvidia-glx package. |
| 00:42.00 | abrotman | harfooz: are you going to tell MatBoy about pinning ? |
| 00:42.15 | abrotman | tonyrad: depends what kind of movies |
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| 00:42.31 | harfooz | abrotman, no because I don't know enough about pinning. |
| 00:42.32 | MatBoy | harfooz, thanks !! |
| 00:42.38 | tonyrad | abrotman, any options I should look into? |
| 00:42.41 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 00:42.41 | dpkg | well, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
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| 00:42.46 | MatBoy | abrotman, I have read about pinning, but I have to read more ! |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | tonyrad: depends on the type of movie |
| 00:43.04 | tonyrad | What do you mean by type of movie? |
| 00:43.15 | harfooz | MatBoy, after I installed nvidia driver with the one-liner I commented out the sid lines. |
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| 00:43.55 | alexbodn | could anybody help with /etc/network/run/ifstate? |
| 00:44.19 | mo1991 | I can see my samba shares from windows and can the workgroup and computer in nautilus, but nautilus doesn't show the shared folders (home) or shared printer on the samba machine? |
| 00:44.27 | MatBoy | harfooz, I understand that... I have used that kind of stuff before on my old workstation, but I don't want to mess up now :) |
| 00:44.48 | mo1991 | anyone help me with the nautilus / smbclient issue? |
| 00:45.01 | mo1991 | smbclient seems to see the shares ok, just not nautilus |
| 00:45.04 | harfooz | MatBoy, I understand (I'm in the same situation: the nvidia-glx is the only thing from sid that I have on my etch box :) |
| 00:45.34 | MatBoy | harfooz, nice to hear from you !! |
| 00:45.43 | MatBoy | harfooz, I'm now installing it :) |
| 00:45.45 | harfooz | have a good night over there! |
| 00:45.52 | tonyrad | mo1991, I don't know much about nautilus... however, do you have your file shares set to shared in the smb.conf? |
| 00:45.55 | MidgetSpy | is there a way to check what options were used with a ./configure the last time it was run? |
| 00:45.59 | harfooz | Later MatBoy. |
| 00:46.03 | abrotman | you could grab the package from packages.debian.org by hand |
| 00:46.09 | talljon84 | abortman: well that's admitadly pretty smart; however, when I use the exact suggested line from dkpg, i still get the "not replacing deleted config file" warning |
| 00:46.20 | abrotman | talljon84: which line ? |
| 00:46.24 | MatBoy | harfooz, OK, it's installed |
| 00:46.40 | MatBoy | harfooz, I'm going to reboot, Cu later ! |
| 00:46.46 | harfooz | later MatBoy |
| 00:46.49 | MatBoy | harfooz, thanks !!!! |
| 00:46.56 | harfooz | MatBoy, you're welcome. |
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| 00:47.00 | talljon84 | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install phpmyadmin |
| 00:47.05 | MatBoy | !beer harfooz |
| 00:47.19 | abrotman | talljon84: it might be in another file ... |
| 00:47.29 | MatBoy | :) |
| 00:47.35 | MatBoy | have a nice evening ! |
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| 00:47.43 | debian | people are still here anyway |
| 00:47.46 | talljon84 | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 00:48.02 | abrotman | talljon84: which file |
| 00:48.09 | mo1991 | tonyrad - I have home directories shared, and I can see them in windows, just not in linux |
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| 00:48.49 | talljon84 | abrotman: well it lists about a dozen but the first one it warns of is /etc/apache-perl/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf not being replaced |
| 00:48.52 | alexbodn | could anybody help with /etc/network/run/ifstate? |
| 00:49.07 | abrotman | talljon84: sarge ? |
| 00:49.30 | abrotman | find phpmyadmin.conf sarge |
| 00:49.30 | talljon84 | correct |
| 00:49.30 | tonyrad | You can't see them on your linux machine at all? |
| 00:49.30 | abrotman | apache-perl ? |
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| 00:52.13 | abrotman | !find phpmyadmin.conf sarge |
| 00:52.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'phpmyadmin.conf' (1): (/usr/share/ucf/phpmyadmin/etc/apache/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf, /usr/share/ucf/phpmyadmin/etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf, /usr/share/ucf/phpmyadmin/etc/apache-ssl/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf) in web/phpmyadmin. |
| 00:52.26 | talljon84 | abrotman: libapache-mod-perl isn't installed. |
| 00:52.41 | talljon84 | is that where I fell off the tracks? lol |
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| 00:54.44 | kirbymeister | I cant install nvidia-glx anymore; it depends on xserver-common but that conflicts with x11-common |
| 00:54.53 | kirbymeister | Anything I'm being stupid about? |
| 00:55.05 | abrotman | you're running etch ? |
| 00:55.17 | kirbymeister | yes etch |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | you'll have to get it from sid |
| 00:55.40 | kirbymeister | oh I see |
| 00:55.50 | kirbymeister | doing backport brb |
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| 00:59.56 | XandriX | i just installed gnustep want to use it but have no idea how with gdm |
| 00:59.59 | talljon84 | abrotman: any other suggestions? |
| 01:00.49 | Bucciarati | hey men.. how do i change mouse orientation in xorg? i can rotate screen with option rotate.. but that doesn't work inside inputdevice with mouse driver .. |
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| 01:01.38 | XandriX | anybody know how ? |
| 01:02.15 | MatBoy | How can I make sure that the Xmodule and the Nvidia Kernel Module have the same version-number ? |
| 01:02.25 | abrotman | talljon84: extract it manually |
| 01:02.38 | abrotman | talljon84: or look for a sample in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/* |
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| 01:03.55 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:03.56 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:04.14 | MatBoy | harfooz, still here ? |
| 01:04.31 | harfooz | MatBoy, sort of (getting sleepy) |
| 01:04.41 | XandriX | how do i add a windows manager to the gdm list |
| 01:04.55 | harfooz | did it install for you, MatBoy ? |
| 01:05.20 | MatBoy | harfooz, mee too :) But i have the problem now that the nvidia-kenle-module and x-module are different in version, so X will not start than with the nvidia-driver |
| 01:05.33 | harfooz | MatBoy, same error that I had. |
| 01:05.37 | MatBoy | kenle=kernel |
| 01:05.46 | harfooz | Did you do a reboot or just restart X? |
| 01:05.49 | MatBoy | harfooz, how did you solve this ? |
| 01:05.55 | harfooz | MatBoy, I had to reboot. |
| 01:06.07 | MatBoy | harfooz, I rebooted |
| 01:06.15 | harfooz | MatBoy, hmmm... |
| 01:06.25 | MatBoy | harfooz, indeed ! |
| 01:06.29 | harfooz | And it's telling you about an "API mismatch"? |
| 01:06.40 | MatBoy | harfooz, yep indeed ! |
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| 01:06.49 | harfooz | 8178 vs. 8762? |
| 01:07.10 | MatBoy | nope, 8762 vs. 8765 |
| 01:07.28 | harfooz | MatBoy, oh jeez, that must mean that sid already has a new driver. |
| 01:07.42 | MatBoy | harfooz, damn ! |
| 01:07.46 | MatBoy | :P |
| 01:07.58 | harfooz | MatBoy, and you did the one-liner, right? |
| 01:08.06 | MatBoy | harfooz, yep ! |
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| 01:08.51 | MatBoy | harfooz, upgrade X to sid ? |
| 01:09.26 | harfooz | MatBoy, I may be out of answers at this point. I thought sid and etch had the same X. do an apt-cache policy xserver-xorg and see what version is in each. |
| 01:09.49 | MatBoy | harfooz, just a sec |
| 01:09.51 | harfooz | MatBoy, 7.0.20 here. |
| 01:10.06 | Amarande | Eew, my machine still has 84.21 nVidia drivers. |
| 01:10.18 | Amarande | And I don't even have the excuse of running Debian right now. :/ |
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| 01:10.47 | MatBoy | harfooz, aha !! |
| 01:11.00 | MatBoy | harfooz, I have installed 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 |
| 01:11.01 | harfooz | MatBoy, did you find what's up? |
| 01:11.15 | MatBoy | harfooz, and the version that you are running is candidate |
| 01:12.13 | harfooz | MatBoy, beware of the X upgrade, though: I had some problems related to emacs after the upgrade. |
| 01:12.32 | MatBoy | harfooz, strange thing is that there are many packages holded back |
| 01:13.32 | MatBoy | harfooz, can I find a reason why packages are holded back ? |
| 01:13.48 | MatBoy | harfooz, xserver-xorg is holded back also |
| 01:13.50 | harfooz | MatBoy, I've been using apt-get --show-upgraded dist-upgrade when I upgrade my etch. I also have apt-listbugs installed. I've been following the Martin Krafft text (The Debian System) |
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| 01:14.23 | chron | by default what is the sendmail that's running on debian? |
| 01:14.25 | harfooz | I suspect that means there are dependencies that are new that would need to be installed (compared to those that dependencies that are already installed, and simply need upgrading) |
| 01:14.27 | chron | on a default install, is that exim4? |
| 01:14.52 | MatBoy | harfooz, I need a distupgrade indeed ! |
| 01:15.13 | MatBoy | harfooz, 22,4 MB... is here in 1 min :) |
| 01:16.04 | MatBoy | harfooz, here we go :) |
| 01:16.49 | harfooz | MatBoy, in the event that your X messes up, then you can log in as root and vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "nvidia" to "nv". You won't have 3D, but it'll work while you figure out what the problem is. |
| 01:17.00 | kirbymeister | i'm having problems installing nvidia glx's kernel module... I'm trying to backport a SID package into an ETCH install; I am trying to get nvidia kernel and GLX version 8762 to build && install; problem is that module-assistant says that 8178 is already installed, thinks it's the latest version, and quits |
| 01:17.18 | MatBoy | harfooz, indeed, that 's what I'm doing now also ! |
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| 01:17.21 | kirbymeister | i'm using the backport method detailed in /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 01:18.54 | harfooz | kirbymeister, your symptoms sound like mine. I added sid to my sources.list, applied the one-liner and had to reboot for the change to take effect on the kernel. |
| 01:19.12 | kirbymeister | Okay rebooting |
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| 01:19.42 | dhuv | hello all |
| 01:19.58 | harfooz | MatBoy, I've got to get to bed now -- good luck with the installation. |
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| 01:21.33 | dhuv | I have a problem, I am using debian testing and I just updated, I decided to go with the latest Xorg and I have opera installed. Xorg installation could not finish because opera had something in the /usr/X11R6/bin directory and exited with an error. I cannot remove opera now because it complaines about xserver packages not being installed |
| 01:21.49 | dhuv | is there a way to force remove a package? |
| 01:22.05 | dhuv | opera should not have any dependencies on removal |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | dhuv: purge opera first |
| 01:22.25 | onetinsoldier | dhuv: yep.. you can force remove it |
| 01:22.31 | sid | dhuv: dpkg -r --force-all package |
| 01:22.32 | abrotman | dpkg -P opera* |
| 01:23.12 | dhuv | there was no apt-get flag to force |
| 01:23.16 | dhuv | not that I saw in the man page |
| 01:23.18 | dhuv | forgot about dpkg |
| 01:23.19 | abrotman | dpkg -P opera* |
| 01:23.21 | dhuv | thanks |
| 01:23.32 | abrotman | i use opera-static .. but i don't know what yours is |
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| 01:26.21 | roaet | Can someone please link me to the files: lilo and lilo.real |
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| 01:32.24 | kirbymeister | ... i rebooted and it didnt work |
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| 01:32.46 | basbryan | !botsnack |
| 01:32.47 | dpkg | thanks, basbryan |
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| 01:34.36 | kirbymeister | I'm trying to backport nvidia-glx Sid -> Etch and it complains that it cant find nvidia-kernel-1.0.8762; which I cant install via module assistant or other means |
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| 01:36.44 | kirbymeister | any suggestions? |
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| 01:37.03 | blanky | anyone know where I can get information on making a debian based distribution? |
| 01:37.28 | simulcra | how do i find out what video card i have? the windows drivers that came with it said it was via/s3. i've tried both on installing sarge but no success. |
| 01:38.10 | onetinsoldier | try lspci -v |
| 01:38.11 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:38.12 | simulcra | i've installed ubuntu and it detected it. i want debian. what do i look into in ubuntu to find out which driver it used? thanks |
| 01:38.37 | blanky | simonrvn, glxinfo? |
| 01:39.01 | simulcra | just run lspci on ubuntu? |
| 01:39.12 | Amarande | simulcra, have you tried etch? |
| 01:39.20 | abrotman | simulcra: please go to #ubuntu |
| 01:39.24 | Amarande | sarge is a little ... hmmmmmm, how do I put this nicely .... old. |
| 01:39.25 | abrotman | oh never mind |
| 01:39.26 | simulcra | Amarande, just sarge |
| 01:39.30 | kirbymeister | this is the DEBIAN channel |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | simulcra: is sarge installed ? |
| 01:39.34 | kirbymeister | you're looking for #ubuntu |
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| 01:39.44 | abrotman | kirbymeister: he's got sarge installed |
| 01:39.46 | Amarande | kirbymeister: he used ubuntu, now he wants to switch to debian |
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| 01:39.58 | Amarande | but he's trying to figure out where ubuntu keeps the X server setting so he can use the same one here |
| 01:40.02 | simulcra | i installed ubuntu over sarge, ubuntu detected the card, but i want debian installed. |
| 01:40.14 | simulcra | yes Amarande thanks |
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| 01:40.30 | kirbymeister | oh |
| 01:40.32 | abrotman | from some linux .. lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:40.43 | simulcra | ok abrotman, thanks |
| 01:41.19 | simulcra | one other question, is testing and sid the same? |
| 01:41.23 | abrotman | no |
| 01:41.24 | kirbymeister | no |
| 01:41.30 | kirbymeister | sid is the bleeding-edge packages |
| 01:41.40 | simulcra | testing is a bit stable than sid? |
| 01:41.44 | kirbymeister | yeah |
| 01:41.58 | abrotman | a bit ... |
| 01:42.07 | kirbymeister | testing is more up to date than sarge but less unstable than unstable |
| 01:42.22 | abrotman | you should probably point at etch |
| 01:42.24 | simulcra | ah... |
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| 01:42.40 | simulcra | what is etch? |
| 01:42.50 | abrotman | !etch |
| 01:42.50 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 01:42.58 | simulcra | sorry if i have so many questions, i really like debian |
| 01:43.09 | kirbymeister | it's OK, everyone has questions |
| 01:43.18 | simulcra | ah.. so testing == etch (?) |
| 01:43.26 | kirbymeister | for right now yes |
| 01:43.40 | simulcra | ah ok, i think i get it |
| 01:43.46 | simulcra | thanks guys |
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| 01:43.56 | abrotman | currently .. etch will release some day .. testing will always be testing |
| 01:44.03 | Amarande | Okay, I still don't quite get what the gripes the Debian project had with Freenode are. |
| 01:44.07 | Amarande | What's NOIDPRIVMSG and why is it bad? |
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| 01:44.22 | abrotman | !oftc move |
| 01:44.23 | dpkg | oftc move is probably irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 01:44.43 | abrotman | Amarande: it means that if you're not registered with nickserv .. you can't /msg someone |
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| 01:45.12 | quebee | anyone here that can help with java problem |
| 01:45.19 | abrotman | just ask |
| 01:45.23 | quebee | java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | oh .. that kind .. did you ask #java ? |
| 01:45.35 | quebee | no |
| 01:45.42 | maher | Amarande: there were no gripes afaik - just most of the other debian irc channels were on oftc.... |
| 01:45.47 | quebee | ill try there |
| 01:45.48 | abrotman | maher: not really |
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| 01:46.16 | abrotman | maher: apparently many weren't registered .. didn't want to register .. couldn't /msg people .. along with a few other complaints |
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| 01:46.35 | kirbymeister | okay, I cant install nvidia-glx, I'm trying to backport it from SID via the simple sid backport one-liner but it complains about a dependancy problem (cannot install nvidia-kernel-1.0.8762)... module-assistant cannot install version 1.0.8762 thinking I'm up to date. |
| 01:46.40 | maher | abrotman: ok - i thought that was one of the reasons given in the thread on -project... |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | maher: it was *one* of the reasons |
| 01:48.57 | onetinsoldier | kirbymeister: i don't have an nvidia card, but what nvidia-kernel version do you have currently installed? |
| 01:49.20 | kirbymeister | it appears to be 1.0.8178 |
| 01:49.46 | onetinsoldier | and it's wanting 1.0.8762? |
| 01:49.49 | kirbymeister | i have the _source_ for 1.0.8762 in ROOT's home |
| 01:49.53 | kirbymeister | in a .deb file |
| 01:50.07 | onetinsoldier | hang on.. i'll be back in a minute |
| 01:50.11 | kirbymeister | kk |
| 01:50.19 | abrotman | !info nvidia-glx sid |
| 01:50.21 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8762-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3214 kB, Installed size: 10728 kB |
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| 01:51.11 | kirbymeister | nvidia-glx depends on 1.0.8762 ver of kernel module I cant install via module-assistant |
| 01:51.28 | BobTheSpeaker | Is there anything wrong with doing apt-get -t sarge-backports upgrade to update all installed packages to backport level on a production box? |
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| 01:52.35 | Solet-deb | how do i write an install iso to a flash drive? dd if=/home/solet/Desktop/debian.iso of=/media/SWISSMEMORY didnt work |
| 01:52.59 | kirbymeister | i have a file nvidia-kernel-source_1.0.8762-2_i386.deb in /root |
| 01:53.09 | Supaplex | depends on how important and stable the production box needs to be. can you trust the backports for stability? besides, there is less scrutinity on backports |
| 01:53.09 | maher | Solet-deb: unmount it and use the device name |
| 01:53.10 | BobTheSpeaker | There is a really good tutorial for it Solet, do a google search for debian flash installation |
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| 01:53.41 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 01:53.43 | dpkg | methinks usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 01:53.44 | Solet-deb | how can i find the device in the /dev |
| 01:53.56 | simulcra | Solet-deb, try /dev/sda1 |
| 01:54.00 | maher | Solet-deb: dmesg, or look in the logs |
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| 01:54.17 | BobTheSpeaker | when you put the device in, it says what it is the first time |
| 01:54.24 | onetinsoldier | kirbymeister: crap.. sorry, but i can't do anything here for another 10 or 15 mins. |
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| 01:55.08 | BobTheSpeaker | Supaplex, is it a bad idea to use backports for heartbeat, drbd, apache, mysql php ? |
| 01:55.09 | kirbymeister | ok |
| 01:55.26 | Supaplex | that's up to you to decide |
| 01:55.48 | BobTheSpeaker | Well stable only uses mysql 4.1 and heartbeat 1.2.3 which are really old |
| 01:56.08 | BobTheSpeaker | 5.x and 2.x have been stable for ages, so i suspect that wouldn't be all that bad |
| 01:56.21 | kirbymeister | ... how would I go about compiling the nvidia-kernel-source file I have in /root ? |
| 01:56.32 | rage | Does anyone know if the gnome mini-commander applet was removed or broken in unstable recently? I have read the change logs and they dont mention it |
| 01:56.35 | Solet-deb | is dd still the correct way to write the flash? |
| 01:56.46 | BobTheSpeaker | Solet, check out that tutorial |
| 01:56.56 | BobTheSpeaker | you can use cat or even just mount it |
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| 01:57.14 | Amarande | Is there really any compelling reason not to run etch these days, though? |
| 01:57.31 | simulcra | Amarande, if you have an old p3 i guess |
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| 01:57.35 | dos000 | anyone know why i keep getting insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/crypto/crc32c.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 01:57.48 | BobTheSpeaker | does etch get security patches often? |
| 01:57.57 | BobTheSpeaker | etch is testing right? |
| 01:57.59 | dos000 | i just installed racoon and this happens evry time i restart it |
| 01:58.05 | Amarande | Yeah, etch is testing. |
| 01:58.31 | BobTheSpeaker | Is etch stable enough for production though? |
| 01:58.33 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 01:58.33 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
| 01:58.37 | dos000 | the machine is debian sarge fresh install |
| 01:58.38 | abrotman | BobTheSpeaker: i wouldn't recommend it |
| 01:58.39 | BobTheSpeaker | I was under the impression it wasn't |
| 01:58.43 | Amarande | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/09/msg00006.html |
| 01:58.56 | Amarande | yeah, they support security in etch now. :) |
| 01:59.09 | abrotman | BobTheSpeaker: stable enough .. maybe .. but .. things are changing every day |
| 01:59.12 | Amarande | I haven't really run into any major problems with etch, other than two things - |
| 01:59.26 | Amarande | 1) the Gecko bug, which is apparently seen in Firefox on a LOT of linux machines; |
| 01:59.32 | BobTheSpeaker | Amarande, you know what the farmer said when the cow died? |
| 01:59.34 | Amarande | 2) The Gnome CD player bug. |
| 01:59.36 | onetinsoldier | kirbymeister: i'm pretty busy, but what i was thinking is that maybe you could download the nvida-kernel from the packages page on the web. not sure if that'll work out ok or not but it's what i was thinking |
| 01:59.46 | Amarande | Well, actually, the CD playing bugs in general. |
| 01:59.49 | kirbymeister | I have the .deb for nvidia-kernel-source |
| 01:59.54 | kirbymeister | but installing it does nothing |
| 02:00.02 | sid | I want to download every template from office.microsoft.com, and once I do that...I can cabextract them, and convert them from *.dot (MS Word) to *.stw(OO.o writer) |
| 02:00.04 | BobTheSpeaker | I don't plan on doing X, so I heard etch is a good choice, but still nervious about not using stable |
| 02:00.10 | Amarande | I never did figure out why CD playing didn't work right on etch on my machine. |
| 02:00.11 | freakazoid0223 | time to MOOve on? |
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| 02:00.18 | BobTheSpeaker | geesh, it never did that befor |
| 02:00.20 | sid | Except on http://office.microsoft.com I have to click "agree" for the EULA to download each individual template |
| 02:00.24 | Amarande | Basically, I could never play a CD properly unless I ripped it first. |
| 02:00.45 | sid | So how can I download every template autmated...like wget office.microsoft.com/templates -m; and have it agree to the eula for each file |
| 02:00.48 | sid | Is there a tool to do this? |
| 02:00.59 | kirbymeister | i dont think so |
| 02:01.08 | simulcra | Amarande, i have a similar problem, although, just on gnome, on fluxbox everything audio works well |
| 02:01.31 | dondelelcaro | sid: try WWW::Mechanize or similar |
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| 02:01.53 | r4f0 | hi? |
| 02:01.55 | dondelelcaro | BobTheSpeaker: is there any reason why you wouldn't just use stable? |
| 02:01.59 | r4f0 | can i make a question? |
| 02:02.09 | dondelelcaro | BobTheSpeaker: if you need newer versions of specific packages, just get them from backports.org or similar. |
| 02:02.47 | BobTheSpeaker | dond, I was using stable, but for mysql, php, heartbeat the stable versions are too old |
| 02:02.57 | Solet-deb | ok where do i get that boot.img.gz file? |
| 02:02.57 | maher | BobTheSpeaker: too old for what? |
| 02:03.01 | BobTheSpeaker | i have been using backports in my test environment |
| 02:03.05 | dondelelcaro | BobTheSpeaker: so get backports of them to stable which contain the revisions that you actually want |
| 02:03.11 | BobTheSpeaker | What i want, 2.x heartbeat is more stable than 1.2.3 |
| 02:03.14 | onetinsoldier | kirbymeister: go here.... http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ ...down at the bottom, click on 'Packages search page' |
| 02:03.23 | BobTheSpeaker | i want 5.x build of mysql/php |
| 02:03.27 | sid | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:03.29 | kirbymeister | kk |
| 02:03.37 | abrotman | BobTheSpeaker: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:03.43 | BobTheSpeaker | dond, that was what I was doing |
| 02:03.45 | abrotman | BobTheSpeaker: you'll be on your own for security updates |
| 02:03.48 | abrotman | dond? |
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| 02:03.51 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:03.54 | stoned | !keytouch |
| 02:03.59 | stoned | hmm |
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| 02:04.13 | BobTheSpeaker | I wanted security updates too,t hat was one of my worries |
| 02:04.19 | onetinsoldier | kirbymeister: in the drop-down menu... click 'unstable'.. fill in 'nvidia-kernel' as the package you want to search for |
| 02:04.37 | abrotman | BobTheSpeaker: well .. using backports.org .. you're not guaranteed anything |
| 02:04.44 | Solet-deb | There is an all-in-one file which contains all the installer files (including the kernel) as well as SYSLINUX and its configuration file. It resides in the hd-media subdirectory of the Debian installer images directory and is called boot.img.gz. |
| 02:04.51 | Solet-deb | where is this file? |
| 02:04.52 | BobTheSpeaker | abrot, yeah I was kind of worried about that |
| 02:04.59 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 02:05.00 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 02:05.11 | BobTheSpeaker | solet you have to download it |
| 02:05.16 | BobTheSpeaker | from a mirror |
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| 02:05.32 | BobTheSpeaker | "It resides in the hd-media subdirectory of the Debian installer images directory " |
| 02:05.33 | Solet-deb | just apt-get it? or what? |
| 02:05.38 | onetinsoldier | kirbymeister: doh... sorry. first you have to click on 'View the packages in the unstable distribution' before you can fill in the package to search for in 'unstable' |
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| 02:05.45 | kirbymeister | kay |
| 02:05.56 | musashiden | hmm |
| 02:05.59 | BobTheSpeaker | Go to where you downloaded debian files, and look there under installers |
| 02:05.59 | dondelelcaro | BobTheSpeaker: you'll have to keep track of them; hopefully the maintainers will make uploads to bpo as well, but that's something you'd have to keep track of. |
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| 02:06.14 | BobTheSpeaker | What is bpo? |
| 02:06.16 | musashiden | do i have to do updatedb everytime i install something new? |
| 02:06.21 | sid | dondelelcaro: libwww-mechanize-perl - Automate interaction with websites |
| 02:06.23 | musashiden | trough apt-get install ? |
| 02:06.24 | dondelelcaro | BobTheSpeaker: you'd have the same problem for testing as well unless you were upgrading the machine all the time for testing, which is rather an anathema for a production environment |
| 02:06.25 | sid | Something like that you mean? |
| 02:06.29 | dondelelcaro | sid: yes. |
| 02:06.35 | abrotman | musashiden: it is run once a day or once a week on its own |
| 02:06.56 | musashiden | isnt it supposed to do it everytime i install a package? |
| 02:07.06 | dondelelcaro | BobTheSpeaker: it's really not all that difficult to track the security issues for a few packages, though. You just subscribe to the PTS for those packages and filter out all messages of severity less than important. |
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| 02:07.12 | sid | dondelelcaro: I used noscript with office.microsoft.com and it doesn't function without javascript...it tells me I need to enable it. and it won't allow me to get close to downloading anything. |
| 02:07.14 | Schuyler | hi folks |
| 02:07.27 | sid | dondelelcaro: Is WWW::Mechanize and independent program? or just a library? |
| 02:07.29 | Schuyler | can anyone tell me why dh_clean cares what version of debhelper I have installed? |
| 02:07.30 | sid | !greet Schuyler |
| 02:07.31 | dpkg | Moo, Schuyler |
| 02:07.41 | BobTheSpeaker | PTS? |
| 02:07.42 | kirbymeister | that just gives me up to 8756 |
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| 02:07.46 | kirbymeister | I need 8762 |
| 02:07.47 | Schuyler | $ dh_clean -k |
| 02:07.47 | Schuyler | dh_clean: Sorry, but 4 is the highest compatibility level of debhelper currently supported. |
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| 02:07.49 | onetinsoldier | kirbymeister: never mind my mixup. just tell me if you are able to figure out how to search for 'nvidia-kernel' in 'unstable' |
| 02:07.54 | kirbymeister | es |
| 02:07.55 | kirbymeister | yes |
| 02:07.57 | dondelelcaro | sid: it has a frontend which uses a library. In any case, the javascript is still going to send specific things to microsoft; you just have to figure out what they are and send them yourself. |
| 02:08.00 | musashiden | abrotman: isnt it supposed to do it everytime i install a package? |
| 02:08.03 | Schuyler | I am attempting to backport python-webpy to Sarge. |
| 02:08.05 | abrotman | eh .. no |
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| 02:08.11 | musashiden | heh, ok. |
| 02:08.24 | dondelelcaro | Schuyler: you need to backport debhelper too |
| 02:20.18 | Solet-deb | BobTheSpeaker: i'm looking around on the mirror and its not there |
| 02:20.18 | Schuyler | there's nothing in the dh_clean docs and I STFU but found nothing. |
| 02:20.18 | Schuyler | er, SFTW. |
| 02:20.18 | jhenn | is it possible to find out how many packages are available for sarge? |
| 02:20.18 | Schuyler | dondelelcaro: eek. why? |
| 02:20.18 | BobTheSpeaker | !pts |
| 02:20.19 | kirbymeister | the only 8762 is for nvidia-kernel-source, which I already have |
| 02:20.19 | Solet-deb | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/ <--- cant find it |
| 02:20.19 | dondelelcaro | Schuyler: because it's using debhelper compatibility level 5 instead of 4 |
| 02:20.19 | kirbymeister | installing it did nothing |
| 02:20.19 | onetinsoldier | kirbymeister: i think i saw the version you are wanting there in sid. can you figure out how to download the .deb of it? |
| 02:20.19 | musashiden | erm, i'm getting this error even after installing termcap-compat: |
| 02:20.19 | musashiden | checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap library found |
| 02:20.19 | BobTheSpeaker | it isn't in the cd image folder, it is under media |
| 02:20.19 | sid | dondelelcaro: I think I'm in over my head. This isn't as simple as wget office.microsoft.com/templates -m; :( |
| 02:20.19 | dondelelcaro | Schuyler: you may be able to get it to work by specifying a compatibility level of 4 and then double checking that it's doing the right thing. |
| 02:20.19 | BobTheSpeaker | under installers i386 |
| 02:20.20 | Solet-deb | i dont see 'media' |
| 02:20.20 | kirbymeister | i already have it... hrm this page tells me how to build it |
| 02:20.20 | kirbymeister | thanks, i'm gonna try and build this sucker |
| 02:20.20 | sid | dondelelcaro: If I get the cab files, I can mass extract thousands of them with cabextract, then mass convert them to OO.o stw format. But it's the mass downloading I can't do. :( |
| 02:20.20 | Schuyler | dondelelcaro: ok. how do I specify a compatibility level to dh_clean? |
| 02:20.20 | dondelelcaro | Schuyler: with DH_COMPAT or debian/compat |
| 02:20.20 | musashiden | abrotman: can you help me out with this error? |
| 02:20.20 | onetinsoldier | kirbymeister: is the source al that's available? i thought maybe you'd be able to download a binary of it |
| 02:20.20 | dondelelcaro | Schuyler: man debhelper; for details |
| 02:20.21 | BobTheSpeaker | '/pub/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media' |
| 02:20.21 | musashiden | checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap library found |
| 02:20.21 | kirbymeister | nope just sources |
| 02:20.21 | onetinsoldier | hmmm |
| 02:20.21 | kirbymeister | which I have to compile without the help of module-assistant |
| 02:20.21 | Solet-deb | dude bob... i need a domain |
| 02:20.22 | abrotman | musashiden: apt-cache search -- curses -dev |
| 02:20.22 | dondelelcaro | musashiden: sounds like you need libncurses5-dev or similar. |
| 02:20.22 | BobTheSpeaker | it doesn't matter 'dude' |
| 02:20.22 | BobTheSpeaker | go to a mirror |
| 02:20.22 | Solet-deb | i'm at the real one |
| 02:20.22 | Schuyler | aha. |
| 02:20.23 | Schuyler | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:20.23 | dondelelcaro | Schuyler: np |
| 02:20.23 | BobTheSpeaker | well then you should find it theree |
| 02:20.23 | Supaplex | sid: WWW::M... is a perl module. |
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| 02:20.23 | musashiden | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 02:20.23 | sid | Supaplex: right |
| 02:20.24 | stoned | !keytouch |
| 02:20.24 | dpkg | well, keytouch is a program which allows you to easily configure and define the EXTRA keys on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html |
| 02:20.24 | stoned | word |
| 02:20.24 | Solet-deb | its not there |
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| 02:20.27 | BobTheSpeaker | well I guess they just vanished |
| 02:20.28 | Solet-deb | did you see it? |
| 02:20.28 | onetinsoldier | kirbymeister: are you sure this isn't a binary here....? i'm just trying to make sure. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 02:20.28 | BobTheSpeaker | umm, yeah |
| 02:20.28 | Solet-deb | where? |
| 02:20.28 | kirbymeister | i need a binary for 2.6-k7 |
| 02:20.28 | onetinsoldier | ok |
| 02:20.28 | kirbymeister | plus I need a specific version 2.6.8762 |
| 02:20.28 | Solet-deb | i dont even see "/pubs/" |
| 02:20.28 | Solet-deb | anywhere |
| 02:20.28 | kirbymeister | erm 1.0.8762 |
| 02:20.28 | onetinsoldier | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 |
| 02:20.29 | BobTheSpeaker | each mirror has different stucture, that's the general path. |
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| 02:20.29 | Solet-deb | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ <--- that list of mirrors.... its nowhere no pubs dir |
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| 02:20.29 | sid | microsoft seems to be really overprotective of their office templates. lol I have to agree to a EULA for every freaken template I download |
| 02:20.29 | abrotman | wrong channel to whine :) |
| 02:20.29 | BobTheSpeaker | cause you are using iso download paths |
| 02:20.29 | roderyk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:20.29 | Schuyler | dondelelcaro: yeah, altering debian/compat appears to have worked just fine. thanks again! |
| 02:20.29 | Solet-deb | there arent any links anywhere else\ |
| 02:20.30 | freakazoid0223 | #gripe |
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| 02:20.30 | sid | abrotman: eh, I'm trying to figure out a way to download every template(there are thousands) easily(not manually) and then convert them to OO.o stw format. |
| 02:20.30 | BobTheSpeaker | guess I am imaging it then, sorry. |
| 02:20.30 | sid | The downloading part is the only hard part for me. |
| 02:20.30 | BobTheSpeaker | for Solet too it seems |
| 02:20.30 | onetinsoldier | kirbymeister: well, sorry.that sid package look like it's older. sorry |
| 02:20.30 | Solet-deb | can some one just tell me where i can get this |
| 02:20.30 | Solet-deb | i'm on a time crunch |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | sid: call MS ask them |
| 02:20.31 | stoned | haha, be prepared to talk to someone who can't really speak english too well |
| 02:20.31 | BobTheSpeaker | I told you like 8 times |
| 02:20.31 | stoned | they outsource to places where well, its hard to understand them, I've called MS before :( |
| 02:20.31 | roderyk | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2739 Can someone explain to me what could cause this mdstat? one partition is dead, but not the other, so it doesn't look like a harddrive failure. Please advise |
| 02:20.31 | Solet-deb | BobTheSpeaker: fuck you... i found it... and guess fucking what.... there's no /pubs/ directory anywhere in the path. douchebag http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 02:20.32 | rorand | stoned: and which country do u end up in? |
| 02:20.32 | stoned | twice in india, once time in phil. |
| 02:20.32 | pipeline | roderyk: unplanned reboot |
| 02:20.32 | roderyk | pipeline: how can I fix it? |
| 02:20.32 | pipeline | roderyk: rather than shoot performance to hell by re-syncing, it kicked the non-fresh plex out of the array |
| 02:20.32 | rorand | stoned: mitur benesderty? |
| 02:20.32 | pipeline | roderyk: fix it by manually hot-adding the array |
| 02:20.32 | Solet-deb | BobTheSpeaker: you gave an incorrect path, which isnt directly linked to anywhere on the debian.org site |
| 02:20.32 | Solet-deb | and stop fuckin pming |
| 02:20.32 | pipeline | roderyk: be sure to make sure that my hypothesis is on-target by readin dmesg |
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| 02:20.32 | stoned | rorand, english pleae |
| 02:20.33 | abrotman | !msg |
| 02:20.33 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 02:20.34 | Amarande | !language |
| 02:20.34 | dpkg | i heard language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins. to the scientists language is god |
| 02:20.40 | Amarande | dammit, what's the one for swearing |
| 02:20.41 | stoned | lol |
| 02:20.42 | Amarande | !swearing |
| 02:20.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, swearing is Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker |
| 02:20.46 | Amarande | :/ |
| 02:20.48 | roderyk | pipeline: about the reboot? ya, that's fine.. server lost power :) |
| 02:21.06 | freakazoid0223 | lol |
| 02:21.41 | pipeline | roderyk: no, right about the kicking-out-a-nonfresh-plex :P |
| 02:22.23 | rorand | stoned: go to guzer.com and listen to prank_call_turbin.wmv |
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| 02:22.39 | stoned | rorand, its alright |
| 02:22.52 | roderyk | pipeline: "md: kicking non-fresh hdc2 from array!" Wow, that's a pretty clear error message, if I ever saw one :) |
| 02:22.55 | abrotman | rorand: now! |
| 02:23.01 | stoned | rorand, thanks anyway |
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| 02:24.27 | BobTheSpeaker | some people should stick with win98 |
| 02:24.29 | rorand | abrotman: now, what? |
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| 02:24.32 | roderyk | "raidhotadd /dev/md1 /dev/hdc2 " right? (nothing wrong with triple checking with the gurus) |
| 02:24.38 | benny`work | hi! want to install exim4...but when i want to send a testmail i get " Mailing to remote domains not supported" what can this be? |
| 02:24.47 | abrotman | !drec |
| 02:24.50 | abrotman | eh ... |
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| 02:25.07 | abrotman | !drec me |
| 02:25.08 | dpkg | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
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| 02:26.01 | roderyk | nvm, raidhotadd is not a command. bad google >< |
| 02:26.05 | stoned | if something is found on sourceforge net, and source is available, can you distribute those as binary packages? |
| 02:26.10 | stoned | officially I mean |
| 02:26.21 | Edu-o0- | somebody know how to enable option CONFIG_CRYPTO in kernel without recompiling? |
| 02:26.30 | maher | stoned: depends on thelicense.... |
| 02:26.41 | stoned | maher, it is keytouch |
| 02:27.06 | stoned | maher, there aren't any debian packages for it, only source, and its got ubuntu packages. I wanted to make sid debs out of it |
| 02:27.11 | maher | stoned: read the license and see what it says... |
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| 02:27.24 | abrotman | stoned: is it GPL or similar? |
| 02:27.29 | stoned | !keytouch |
| 02:27.30 | dpkg | well, keytouch is a program which allows you to easily configure and define the EXTRA keys on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html |
| 02:27.34 | stoned | sec |
| 02:27.49 | stoned | GNU General Public License (GPL) |
| 02:28.03 | abrotman | stoned: or you can submit an RFP |
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| 02:28.27 | abrotman | stoned: http://bugs.debian.org/335397 |
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| 02:30.00 | stoned | yeah, this was like a few months ago, and still nothing... I think maybe I oughta do something about it, I'm quite bored |
| 02:30.50 | abrotman | stoned: you can make the packages .. submit the RFP .. and link to whereever your packages are |
| 02:30.53 | stoned | well about keysid whatever that is |
| 02:30.59 | roderyk | pipeline: ok, thanks for your help, now syncing back :) |
| 02:31.08 | stoned | abrotman, I see |
| 02:31.40 | abrotman | stoned: OR .. you can make them .. and try to find a sponsor |
| 02:31.47 | dos000 | anyone familiar with racoon here ? |
| 02:31.48 | abrotman | stoned: please try to make them while sober :) |
| 02:31.54 | abrotman | dos000: Rocky Raccoon ? |
| 02:32.09 | stoned | abrotman, I love you too man lol |
| 02:32.23 | dos000 | abrotman, noo ... racoon-tool as in ipsec tunels |
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| 02:33.16 | abrotman | dos000: oh .. then no :) |
| 02:33.32 | stoned | I was gonna say something else but I thought better of it, it I think is funny but maybe its inappropriate |
| 02:33.52 | stoned | abrotman, i've got time now, I checked out rythem box, what was the other one you said? |
| 02:34.03 | abrotman | stoned: i doubt it would be inappropirate :) |
| 02:34.06 | abrotman | stoned: quod libet |
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| 02:34.18 | stoned | i'll still not say it |
| 02:34.18 | stoned | heh |
| 02:34.24 | stoned | ok i'll check it |
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| 02:36.24 | abrotman | stoned: the only thing it's missing for me is full screen monde |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | mode |
| 02:36.51 | stoned | from the screenshots it doesn't look that impressive *disregarding any eyecandy* |
| 02:36.52 | abrotman | stoned: at least that app builds cleanly |
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| 02:37.08 | stoned | so its like a mini amarok, thin and sleek, minimal |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | stoned: i think it's pretty damn good compared to rhythmbox |
| 02:37.23 | stoned | but what about the library browsing, that one I am addicted to amarok |
| 02:37.33 | abrotman | what about it ? |
| 02:37.59 | stoned | does it support browsing by organization of genre>artist>album>song |
| 02:38.04 | abrotman | afaict |
| 02:38.12 | stoned | alright, i'm sold |
| 02:38.17 | abrotman | you're gonna make me stop lastfm aren't you! |
| 02:38.24 | stoned | heh |
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| 02:38.38 | stoned | oh yeah, and I need lastfm support |
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| 02:39.09 | abrotman | for what? |
| 02:39.12 | abrotman | the player is packaged |
| 02:39.31 | stoned | so it works with lastfm out the box then |
| 02:39.35 | stoned | word |
| 02:39.46 | abrotman | no .. i meant |
| 02:39.50 | abrotman | !info lastfm etch |
| 02:39.55 | dpkg | lastfm: (an audio player for last.fm personalized radio), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.1.90-3 (etch), Packaged size: 484 kB, Installed size: 1080 kB |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | ijust use that one |
| 02:40.25 | stoned | oh |
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| 02:40.35 | abrotman | hehe .. lastfm has y100 sonic sessions |
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| 02:40.43 | stoned | wow |
| 02:41.08 | abrotman | and being from philly .. that's kind of cool :) |
| 02:41.49 | stoned | I like the fetching/submission of songs played, records kept, etc. of last.fm which I can't see anywhere in the plugins section of this said player's website |
| 02:42.19 | abrotman | they're there .. damned if i know where .. i've talked to other people about it :) |
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| 02:43.01 | stoned | well when you find out, make sure to let me know |
| 02:43.11 | abrotman | did you login to the website? |
| 02:43.34 | stoned | I'm there right now, looking through plugins section, did a search on lastfm, last, fm, found nothing |
| 02:43.49 | stoned | only thing it works with retrieving artists thing is Audioscrobbler |
| 02:43.54 | stoned | and AMG |
| 02:44.01 | abrotman | you mean .. typing the artist name in? |
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| 02:44.20 | abrotman | in the lastfm program .. click on the wrench .. change station .. and search |
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| 02:44.25 | stoned | no no |
| 02:45.24 | stoned | I mean in Quod libon whatever, that played doesn't support last.fm. I haven't found anything on it yet |
| 02:45.33 | stoned | player* |
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| 02:45.55 | abrotman | i don't think quod libet does |
| 02:46.04 | abrotman | but i've been using the lastfm packaged player |
| 02:46.19 | stoned | ah! |
| 02:46.27 | stoned | found it! never give up hope my man |
| 02:46.29 | pipeline | stoned: install a music player that doesn't suck |
| 02:46.30 | stoned | http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet/changeset/2793 |
| 02:46.48 | stoned | pipeline, I use amarok. I think it is wonderful. abrotman is getting me to try out a few others. |
| 02:46.59 | abrotman | you said it was broken! |
| 02:47.05 | stoned | what was broken? |
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| 02:47.28 | abrotman | i thought you said you couldn't install amarok anymore! |
| 02:47.46 | stoned | nope, I don't think I did, yup, pretty sure |
| 02:47.48 | pipeline | stoned: amarok is in the "doesn't suck" category. |
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| 02:48.16 | stoned | see I even have this |
| 02:48.25 | stoned | NP: Gorgasm -|- Masticate To Dominate -|- " Anal Skewer " -|- (Death Metal) -|- (rating: 0/83) |
| 02:48.26 | stoned | oh oops |
| 02:48.28 | stoned | bad song name |
| 02:48.32 | stoned | but you get the idea |
| 02:48.33 | MariusX | hello ppl. I was wondering if someone could help me get vsftpd working correctly. I forgot to back up the conf file and I messed it up. now I can't find a fresh copy on the web. |
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| 02:49.03 | stoned | amarok works great, I thought you wanted to me to check out some audio player that was also good so I check rythembox and then this one |
| 02:49.10 | abrotman | i like quod libet |
| 02:49.20 | pipeline | abrotman: bzzzt python app :P |
| 02:49.22 | MariusX | also I was hoping someone could help me set it up so that I dont have to use anon and also want it to have the / pointing to my www folder on my development machine |
| 02:49.27 | abrotman | pipeline: so is mailman |
| 02:49.52 | stoned | man this dude can shred on that axe, damn |
| 02:50.20 | stoned | MariusX, I just setup vsftpd, I also keep a copy of /etc/vsftpd.conf in my ~/documents |
| 02:50.31 | stoned | upgrades on sid sometimes fuck with it |
| 02:50.37 | stoned | MariusX, give me a min |
| 02:50.53 | pipeline | abrotman: I don't use that, either. |
| 02:51.16 | stoned | !tell MariusX about confmiss |
| 02:51.26 | abrotman | pipeline: but it is a damn good python app |
| 02:51.47 | stoned | MariusX, get your original .conf file back for vsftpd. then if you still have problems, ask |
| 02:52.08 | pipeline | abrotman: oxymoronic :P |
| 02:52.19 | stoned | oxycodonic |
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| 02:52.25 | stoned | ahem.. |
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| 02:53.04 | MariusX | stoned: awsome. I didn't know about that command :D it worked. |
| 02:53.17 | stoned | MariusX, great |
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| 02:53.55 | CaBlGuY | so, what are the perks or, pros of going with Debian over Ubuntu??? |
| 02:53.55 | MariusX | stoned: would you be able to talk me through the process of setting it up. :S I have been trying to figure it out for about an hour and a half now. :( |
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| 02:54.03 | abrotman | pipeline: but you've never used it |
| 02:54.17 | Vasistha | CaBlGuY: stability... |
| 02:54.19 | stoned | MariusX, get on the website, and read the entire documentation about the options in the config file |
| 02:54.39 | stoned | MariusX, I didn't know anything about it, and I figured everything fromt he VERY WELL commented conf file, and the website docs |
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| 02:55.04 | pipeline | CaBlGuY: Ask #ubuntu. This is not the place. |
| 02:55.05 | CaBlGuY | Vasistha: and compatability with hardwhere.. yes? |
| 02:55.14 | CaBlGuY | LOL |
| 02:55.29 | CaBlGuY | I'm in Ubuntu, Im wanting to know about debian.. |
| 02:55.35 | MariusX | ok then. I will try again. I am still new to some of the ways the conf's are written. some are easier for me to pick up then others. |
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| 02:55.46 | stoned | MariusX, logically you would want to disable all anon logins. enable local users. then limit the local user bandwith if you so chose, other stuff. etc. just get to the docs |
| 02:56.01 | Vasistha | CaBlGuY: I'm not sure about hardware compatibility, I haven't studied up on those differences. Debian is pretty good on hardware. |
| 02:56.48 | CaBlGuY | Vasistha: , cool.. what desktop environments come defualt? |
| 02:57.00 | stoned | MariusX, use your web browsers find in a webpage function and search for keywords in the docs concerning the option you are looking for |
| 02:57.22 | MariusX | ok then cool. I am not worried about bandwidth or anything as it is staying behind my firewall. just need to learn how to use for the future when I start hosting on linux instead of Microsofton windows |
| 02:57.35 | Vasistha | CaBlGuY: hmm, I'm not 100% sure. I think you can choose at install time, but gnome may be the default if you just pick "desktop system" or whatever. |
| 02:57.46 | MariusX | ok cool. thanks for the help |
| 02:57.59 | CaBlGuY | Vasistha: ok, cool.. thanks.. ;) |
| 02:58.20 | stoned | MariusX, you want to limit the bandwidth, otherwise vsftpd will take it all, hog it and other apps will not have any left |
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| 02:58.28 | Vasistha | CaBlGuY: debian does not have a super-nice graphical installer, but if you're willing to wade through the (big) package lists and select everything you want, you can have a really nice, possibly small custom install |
| 02:58.36 | MariusX | oh ok. good advice :S lol |
| 02:59.05 | stoned | if you can read, you can figure it out, very easy |
| 02:59.21 | CaBlGuY | Vasistha: ok, and then once I get installed, I can apt-get what I need on the command liine.. |
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| 02:59.28 | stoned | MariusX, and if you still have problems then I can give you specific help |
| 02:59.49 | MariusX | ok then thanks. |
| 03:00.35 | ylon | is there a sid iso available with the 2.4.17 kernel on it? |
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| 03:01.09 | Vasistha | CaBlGuY: yeah, it's pretty easy. You might have occasional problems if you try to run testing or unstable. I'm not sure how they compare to ubuntu. |
| 03:01.17 | stoned | ylon, sid is not a release, so no, unofficial isos exist yes |
| 03:01.20 | abrotman | stoned: holy crap .. that's a lot of plugins |
| 03:01.28 | stoned | abrotman, yup |
| 03:01.54 | ylon | stoned: is there an archive where I could find those ? |
| 03:01.56 | CaBlGuY | Vasistha: does it pick up network stuff pretty easy opr is that somethin u have to config yourself?/ |
| 03:02.00 | stoned | ylon, google :) |
| 03:02.08 | stoned | ylon, why are you wanting to use sid? |
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| 03:02.25 | abrotman | stoned: i haven't yet figured out how to make the album covers show |
| 03:02.32 | MrObvious | CaBlGuY: Howdy. You there? |
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| 03:02.45 | CaBlGuY | Word MrObvious.. o/ |
| 03:02.53 | Vasistha | CaBlGuY: depends on the device. I had a heck of a time getting a wireless pcmcia card working, but I think it might have been difficult anywhere. Lots of stuff just works out of the box. |
| 03:02.54 | MrObvious | I saw what you posted in #e. |
| 03:03.00 | MrObvious | Lemme get you a guide. |
| 03:03.22 | CaBlGuY | K Vasistha cool.. thanks.. |
| 03:03.22 | stoned | abrotman, thats also a feature I can't live without too, dunno about you |
| 03:03.22 | MrObvious | http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=e49fc18c21aa8ec79d349c9f4aa1ac84&topic=520.0 |
| 03:03.37 | MrObvious | It's KUbuntu but that works too. |
| 03:03.39 | CaBlGuY | lookin now MrObvious... |
| 03:03.50 | abrotman | stoned: the album covers? |
| 03:03.51 | MrObvious | Also check get-e.org |
| 03:03.54 | stoned | abrotman, yes |
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| 03:04.05 | Kisanth | hello |
| 03:04.09 | CaBlGuY | MrObvious: yea, I heard that to,. but, I got e16, not e17... |
| 03:04.09 | abrotman | stoned: i've seen screenshots with it done .. i can't figure it out .. i just use it to play music :) |
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| 03:04.14 | ylon | stoned: I need to find a quick way to compile in a special module that I can only find for 2.4.17 from novell for the nwfs in order to read data from an old scsi disk |
| 03:04.37 | stoned | ylon, and you are wanting to use sid? |
| 03:04.52 | Kisanth | I did an apt-get upgrade and now X will not load. It says it failed to load my module and that the module doesnt exist, but I know I have installed it. anyone know how to fix it? |
| 03:04.57 | stoned | ylon, why can you not accomplish this on sarge+2.4 |
| 03:05.09 | dhuv | Hey guys, I currently have a computer connected to my receiver so I can play music, I export xmms to my laptop via "ssh -f servername xmms" but I wanted to know if there was a more efficient method to do this, my wireless network is too slow for this X11 over ssh thing |
| 03:05.12 | CaBlGuY | MrObvious: I already got it installed, I just need to know how to use it.. :p |
| 03:05.21 | MrObvious | Oh. |
| 03:05.28 | MrObvious | 1 minute |
| 03:05.35 | ylon | stoned: well, it was testing between woody and sarge and I thought that there would be a good chance of finding it with .17 |
| 03:05.39 | dhuv | I wanted to get something like amarok but I dont think it will make the situation better with x11 over ssh |
| 03:05.50 | MrObvious | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_emerge_e17#Setting_up_gdm |
| 03:05.59 | stoned | dhuv, vnc? highly compressed options using tightvnc maybe |
| 03:06.00 | MrObvious | I know that's for gentoo but you can edit it accordingly :) |
| 03:06.21 | stoned | dhuv, even if you run 802.11b you're still not slow enough to not be able to play music or run apps properly |
| 03:06.27 | dhuv | stoned: let me look at it, can you export just the application with tightvnc? |
| 03:06.32 | dhuv | I though it was just the desktop |
| 03:06.39 | stoned | dhuv, its the desktop |
| 03:06.49 | stoned | dhuv, what router is it? |
| 03:07.02 | dhuv | I cannot have it export the console because I would have mythtv on my laptop then :) |
| 03:07.12 | dhuv | its a linksys 11B |
| 03:07.14 | stoned | 11mbps for 802.11b is still fast enough |
| 03:07.32 | Kisanth | I did an apt-get upgrade and now X will not load. It says it failed to load my module and that the module doesnt exist, but I know I have installed it. anyone know how to fix it? |
| 03:07.36 | stoned | granted its not a gb eth but hell, it shouldn't be that slow, I don't think |
| 03:07.37 | dhuv | stoned: its ok, but when I an choosing a song and downloading something its slow |
| 03:07.50 | dhuv | wired network is much faster |
| 03:07.58 | MrObvious | dhuv: What card? |
| 03:08.07 | dhuv | so I was hoping for something more efficient so it can be fast even through a wireless |
| 03:08.13 | stoned | dhuv, how is your signal stregnth, need a repeater perhaps? maybe change locations? |
| 03:08.23 | dhuv | using the madwifi drivers with my T42 |
| 03:08.38 | dhuv | the router is 10ft away from me |
| 03:08.45 | dhuv | signal is great |
| 03:08.49 | abrotman | not close enough! |
| 03:08.52 | stoned | lol |
| 03:08.57 | dhuv | lol |
| 03:08.57 | abrotman | cross antennae! |
| 03:09.00 | dhuv | apparently |
| 03:09.20 | dhuv | x11 will always be like that over ssh though |
| 03:09.25 | dhuv | the tiny xmms window is ok |
| 03:09.35 | dhuv | its just when I am picking songs and expand that other window |
| 03:09.39 | automat | could $LANG or $LANGUAGE encoding cause compiler errors? i'm getting some warnings and errors with strange characters where there shouldn't be. |
| 03:09.40 | dhuv | I am afraid of installing amarok |
| 03:09.42 | dhuv | :) |
| 03:09.52 | dhuv | that would be painful |
| 03:10.41 | stoned | dhuv, my desktop has a dvd player, shared over the network. I log into laptop with ssh -X. laptop fetches the dvd drive from desktop, playes it on laptop, displays it on desktop, all over the network making at least 3 trips and it still plays PERFECTLY fullscreen |
| 03:10.52 | stoned | I'm using linksys w54g |
| 03:10.59 | musashiden | hey everybody, i just installed a new mysql server, and i'm getting this error |
| 03:11.01 | musashiden | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.10 | abrotman | is it running ? |
| 03:11.24 | dhuv | stoned: wired or wireless? |
| 03:11.32 | musashiden | yeah |
| 03:11.33 | stoned | dhuv, less |
| 03:11.33 | dhuv | ah wireless I see |
| 03:11.38 | cyberass | did u try on the correct port? |
| 03:11.41 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:11.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:11.46 | musashiden | 31900 pts/0 00:00:00 mysqld_safe |
| 03:11.47 | musashiden | 31924 pts/0 00:00:00 mysqld |
| 03:11.54 | automat | lol |
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| 03:12.31 | MrObvious | CaBlGuY: Did it work?\ |
| 03:12.40 | musashiden | abrotman: do you know what is wrong? |
| 03:12.49 | abrotman | musashiden: i avoid mysql as much as i can |
| 03:13.12 | CaBlGuY | MrObvious: IM in other chats too right now. I got the page theough. basically, I can just make a text doc on the desktop and reboot right?? |
| 03:13.13 | abrotman | musashiden: it it only listening over tcp instead of sockets? |
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| 03:13.34 | musashiden | i have no idea.. |
| 03:13.58 | MrObvious | Yeah just copy those instructions. You'll be fine :) |
| 03:14.11 | MrObvious | I did it for KDM on KUbuntu. |
| 03:14.15 | MrObvious | Cya. |
| 03:14.20 | CaBlGuY | Oh cool.. |
| 03:14.21 | Hajuu | Hey I have a dependancy issue... Um the libhal (hardware abstraction library) requires dbus-1 while libhal-storage requires dbus but I cant have dbus and dbus-1, which one do I *need* |
| 03:14.23 | CaBlGuY | thanks bro |
| 03:14.29 | MrObvious | You're welcome. |
| 03:14.30 | MrObvious | Bye |
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| 03:16.09 | CaBlGuY | K im out peeps.. |
| 03:16.12 | CaBlGuY | l8r |
| 03:16.17 | dhuv | stoned: I forgot to mention that my X is running on my pvr-350 (which makes X slow) and this box is a 450MHz |
| 03:17.05 | pipeline | dhuv: 450 MHz is plenty fast :P |
| 03:17.12 | rockstar_ | Shoot, I set X11Forwarding to yes in /etc/sshd_config but I still can't do an ssh -X |
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| 03:22.47 | musashiden | YES, FINALLY |
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| 03:23.42 | rockstar_ | And as soon as I said that, it starts working. |
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| 03:29.36 | |ryan| | how do you fix WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! on etch? |
| 03:30.30 | rockstar_ | Is there a way I can forward my enlightenment desktop from my home desktop to my laptop through the internet. |
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| 03:32.09 | Vasistha | _rockstar: vnc ? |
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| 03:33.20 | rockstar_ | Vasistha, can I pipe that through ssh? |
| 03:33.46 | gdp | hiya. i have two questions; 1) how can I use a mouse dummy with xorg? 2) when I startx, it returns an error saying it cant find default font "fixed", and dies. I commented out the font folders in xorg.conf that dont exist, but it still returns that error. Know what to doi? |
| 03:34.00 | Vasistha | _rockstar: I... think so. check out realvnc and tightvnc |
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| 03:37.09 | wireddd | rockstar_, yes you can |
| 03:37.24 | rockstar_ | wireddd, Yea, I'm reading about it. |
| 03:37.30 | wireddd | without using vnc |
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| 03:38.04 | wireddd | x11 forwarding is what you want to do |
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| 03:46.01 | gteppel_ | Is there any overhead in running a whole website over https?, what are the cons of redirecting all http requests to https? |
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| 03:49.40 | ice_1963 | hello i'm running etch and i jest updated my xserver-xorg and now to start xserver i need to be at ROOT not USER why? |
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| 03:52.08 | ice_1963 | it must be ^^ |
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| 03:54.58 | penba | hiya. i have two questions; 1) how can I use a mouse dummy with xorg? 2) when I startx, it returns an error saying it cant find default font "fixed", and dies. I commented out the font folders in xorg.conf that dont exist, but it still returns that error. Know what to do? |
| 03:57.04 | musashiden | when adding more IPs to the interfaces file, should i start with auto eth2:0 |
| 03:57.14 | musashiden | or eth2:1 ? |
| 03:57.25 | sid | How can I get more information about a file, ie I have a word file...and I want to know like properties of it, like in windows, right clicking and going to properties...would give me a description.(the file command doesn't give that) |
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| 03:58.13 | musashiden | anybody? |
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| 04:05.38 | nayyares | i want to analyez squid traffic for some selected websites, is there any good tool to do this? |
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| 04:07.43 | johnsu01 | hm, just installed courier on a new unstable system and it's immediately closing all connections. |
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| 04:09.33 | Pegger | is it possible to do ip multipathing ? |
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| 04:10.00 | Pegger | like soaris can do |
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| 04:11.10 | linolium | I'm trying to configure CUPS for a new printer, but when I go to http://localhost:631 and navigate to "Add Printer" it gives me a 401 unauthorized error. Any idea how I can fix this? |
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| 04:14.18 | liable | linolium: close your browser and try again |
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| 04:14.24 | linolium | liable: i did |
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| 04:15.32 | llvllatrix | i just did a dist-upgrade on my testing box and now X doesnt come up; it seems that xserver-common wont install. Any ideas? |
| 04:15.49 | redblades | Uhh |
| 04:16.04 | redblades | no sorry |
| 04:16.15 | llvllatrix | it seems that x11-common is out of date |
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| 04:16.51 | llvllatrix | xserver-common wont install because the x11-common version is too low |
| 04:17.26 | johnsu01 | courier-imap seems to be broken out of the box. the daemon won't start. |
| 04:17.28 | liable | llvllatrix: checked the bts? |
| 04:17.41 | llvllatrix | bts? |
| 04:17.48 | redblades | hi, I am going to install Xen on a few different OS's |
| 04:17.54 | redblades | Oops |
| 04:18.00 | redblades | Sorry, wrong channel |
| 04:18.31 | liable | llvllatrix: bug tracking |
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| 04:19.09 | llvllatrix | liable: do you have a link? I'm googling the problem right now... |
| 04:19.41 | liable | llvllatrix: bugs.debian.org |
| 04:21.17 | llvllatrix | found some documentation on the problem: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2240554 |
| 04:22.45 | musashiden | when adding more IPs to the interfaces file, should i start with eth2:0 or eth2:1 ? |
| 04:23.26 | liable | musashiden: eth2:0 iirc |
| 04:24.15 | liable | musashiden: only say that cause when i have unintentionally added them when using ifconfig, they are eth1:0 on my box |
| 04:24.52 | musashiden | huh?.. |
| 04:26.27 | mastroquet | llvllatrix : it's the update to xorg 7 that did it, isn't it ? |
| 04:27.16 | mastroquet | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 04:28.50 | mastroquet | I had some of the problems described here (exept I didn't lose xserver) |
| 04:29.03 | liable | its in etch now is it? |
| 04:29.16 | mastroquet | liable : yes |
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| 04:29.54 | mastroquet | this update is troublesome somehow |
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| 04:30.07 | dos000 | anyone familiar with setting up racoon for vpn in here ? |
| 04:30.28 | mastroquet | but you can repare almost everything easily using the wiki |
| 04:30.56 | dos000 | i am to a point where racoon just refuses to reply to client messages after the first phase |
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| 04:37.16 | llvllatrix | mastorquet: i think so, yes |
| 04:38.10 | llvllatrix | mastorquet: thanks for the page |
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| 04:42.05 | sigjuice | hi |
| 04:42.49 | sigjuice | is there an easy way to get changelog deltas for all packages that got upgraded by apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 04:43.40 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 04:44.00 | arooni | i just downloaded wget, and i'm trying to get the handle of it... i have need to: 1) control where the output goes? 2) tell it to download one page, and all associated scr tags (stylesheets) & images? 3) send a cookie to the server upon every request for a file ( as it is the authentication system ) 4) be able to view all content locallY (so it would need to change the 'src' tags? |
| 04:45.04 | nevyn | read the man page. |
| 04:45.46 | arooni | nevyn: i did, and i'm still confused |
| 04:45.52 | arooni | i dont see an option for sending cookies for instance |
| 04:47.01 | sigjuice | arooni: which version of wget do you have? My man page lists a whole bunch of cookie related options? |
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| 04:49.03 | sigjuice | s,?$,., |
| 04:49.08 | arooni | sigjuice 1.5.1.3 you? |
| 04:49.15 | arooni | 1.5.3.1 |
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| 04:49.24 | sigjuice | 1.10.2 |
| 04:49.55 | arooni | so mine should *definitely* support cookies... (althought its a windows port) |
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| 04:51.40 | sigjuice | how do you figure that? |
| 04:52.04 | sigjuice | where did you download your windows port of wget from? |
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| 04:53.54 | sigjuice | try the one here. gnuwin32.sf.net |
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| 04:54.55 | sigjuice | or try curl instead of wget. http://curl.haxx.se/ |
| 04:55.00 | sigjuice | bye |
| 04:56.57 | nevyn | ooh new /. theme |
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| 05:01.00 | Vasistha | well, there don't seem to be any fewer people since irc.debian.org changed to oftc... if it did indeed change... |
| 05:01.48 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: it has already changed |
| 05:02.15 | Vasistha | thanks! |
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| 05:03.10 | mastroquet | is it a move, and should we all go to OTFC, or is the OTFC one only yet another Debian chanel ? |
| 05:03.36 | dondelelcaro | mastroquet: you can move if you want. irc.debian.org is just pointing there now. |
| 05:03.59 | mastroquet | dondelelcaro : thanks |
| 05:04.05 | Dewi | which is larger as of now? |
| 05:04.19 | dondelelcaro | still this channel |
| 05:04.39 | mastroquet | there are only three people on #debianfr on OTFC... |
| 05:04.45 | arooni | is anyone here familair with the gpl? basically i'd like to redistribute the compiled binary form of wget, (providing source if needed), and have my program execute wget with different, dynamic arguments known at runtime. no legal advice sought here, but the gpl wouldn't apply to my software since there is no linking to wget's library dynamically right? |
| 05:04.53 | mastroquet | french users seem to stick to freenode |
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| 05:05.14 | dondelelcaro | arooni: the question is whether or not your work forms a derivative work of wget |
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| 05:06.07 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: if it's just passing parameters it would be a separate work, would it not? |
| 05:06.24 | arooni | dondelecaro: i mean i *use* wget to download web content specific to my application |
| 05:06.53 | dondelelcaro | arooni: if you're just calling it using its standard interface, I'd think that you were ok. However, IMO you should give the source to your application anyway, because that's the moral thing to do. |
| 05:07.32 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: probably. |
| 05:07.42 | arooni | sounds like a call to the FSF tomorrow is an order |
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| 05:07.47 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: but there's virtually no case law surrounding this area. |
| 05:07.56 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: correct. :) |
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| 05:08.11 | dondelelcaro | arooni: you can just send them mail; they'll tell you almost exactly the same thing that I've told you. |
| 05:08.38 | arooni | that its ok? but i should give away my source? |
| 05:08.47 | arooni | from a moral perspective |
| 05:08.49 | dondelelcaro | (including suggesting that regardless of whether you have to comply with the GPL you should do so anyway) |
| 05:09.06 | arooni | i want to comply with the gpl, for sure |
| 05:09.16 | arooni | i definitely dont want to get in trouble with the fsf |
| 05:09.40 | dondelelcaro | arooni: is there any reason why you wouldn't provide the source code to your application? |
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| 05:10.09 | jetscreamer | you could always pick a different license |
| 05:10.14 | arooni | dondelcaro; yes, i'm trying to build a business, :P |
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| 05:10.45 | bony | nethajibabu, hi |
| 05:10.52 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 05:10.56 | Dewi | gasp! capitalism! |
| 05:11.08 | dondelelcaro | arooni: a lot of people have business that use GPLed software; they charge for support instead of charging for the software |
| 05:11.43 | arooni | dondelelcaro; i understand that model... its not my model choice however... |
| 05:12.17 | dondelelcaro | arooni: *shrug*; good luck. You should obtain competent legal advice in this area then, because you're going to need them esp. when you distribute your software. |
| 05:12.31 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: that does sound like a pretty tricky business model to run... especially for small entities, and ones who are more interested in producing a finished product than running around doing system admin work |
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| 05:13.12 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the only difference is whether or not you're actually going to sell the software or not; the support burden comes either way. |
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| 05:13.50 | arooni | see i'm not going to sell the software |
| 05:13.53 | arooni | does that make a difference? |
| 05:13.55 | dondelelcaro | (and actually, you can sell the GPLed software too, it just means that you don't restrict your end users from doing stuff that they want to do to the software to the software) |
| 05:14.11 | dondelelcaro | arooni: then I'm really confused... why wouldn't you GPL it in that case? |
| 05:14.12 | Dewi | arooni: the GPL only limits distribution |
| 05:14.20 | arooni | ahh got it |
| 05:14.29 | arooni | has nothing to do about cost |
| 05:14.54 | jackinthebox | is there a command or a gui that u can use to change the start up programs in debian |
| 05:15.22 | jackinthebox | that u simple check and uncheck the programs that would ran on start up |
| 05:15.23 | dondelelcaro | jackinthebox: the command is update-rc.d, but in general if you don't want things to start up, you should remove them. |
| 05:15.26 | Dewi | jackinthebox: what are start up programs? |
| 05:15.33 | dondelelcaro | jackinthebox: please stop using 'u' for you as well. |
| 05:16.02 | jackinthebox | i want to remove the apple talk at start up |
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| 05:16.28 | Dewi | because of the massive delay? |
| 05:16.28 | dondelelcaro | jackinthebox: uh... so remove netatalk |
| 05:16.53 | jackinthebox | update-rc.d remove netatalk |
| 05:16.54 | dondelelcaro | jackinthebox: or if you think it's taking too long but you still want it, edit /etc/default/netatalk and have it start in the background |
| 05:16.56 | jackinthebox | is that the command |
| 05:17.25 | dondelelcaro | jackinthebox: no, apt-get --purge remove netatalk. |
| 05:17.34 | jackinthebox | okey |
| 05:17.53 | arooni | how can i get wget to download associated images with a website? |
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| 05:18.15 | jackinthebox | thnx men |
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| 05:18.37 | dondelelcaro | arooni: wget --follow-tags=IMG -r -l 1 ... |
| 05:18.41 | cinix | How come in ps I see dbus-daemon as running as the user id 100, instead of message-bus like I see in /etc/passwd? It doesn't seem to attach a name like it does with all the other procs |
| 05:19.14 | LunarCrisis | I'm getting a couple of linker errors: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glxcmds.o): In function `glXGetMscRateOML': (.text+0x282a): undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' |
| 05:19.25 | LunarCrisis | what libraries do I need to install for that symbol? =/ |
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| 05:20.08 | arooni | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 05:20.24 | cinix | LunarCrisis, what version of Debian are you in? stable/unstable? |
| 05:20.39 | LunarCrisis | google tells me that it's in libXxf86vm.so.1, which I have installed |
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| 05:20.46 | LunarCrisis | testing |
| 05:20.48 | jetscreamer | xlibs-dev maybe |
| 05:20.50 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 05:20.51 | sredblade | Hello |
| 05:20.57 | jetscreamer | rather, i forget |
| 05:21.05 | jetscreamer | !info xlibs-dev |
| 05:21.29 | mastroquet | about Helix player : it calls itself "open source" but... "contains no non-open source components - It plays open source formats" |
| 05:21.29 | redblades | Hey hey |
| 05:21.36 | peterS | arooni: alternatively you could use curl, which isn't under the GPL. or libcurl and your own code. |
| 05:21.38 | redblades | Dwonis |
| 05:21.46 | redblades | ARe you here? |
| 05:21.48 | LunarCrisis | xlibs-dev doesn't exist, there is an xlibs-static-dev though |
| 05:21.57 | jetscreamer | yeah but iirc that aint it |
| 05:21.57 | peterS | arooni: then this whole issue goes away. the curl license is BSD-ish. |
| 05:21.59 | redblades | I'm about to install xen |
| 05:22.09 | jetscreamer | others know, i'll look though |
| 05:22.15 | redblades | AND, I'm using bitchX |
| 05:22.18 | peterS | which is to say, you can do almost about anything you want with it |
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| 05:22.51 | arooni | peters: indeed... but does it do cookies? and can it download all associated content for a given page (jpegs, css, etc.. ) , doesn't need to follow links |
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| 05:23.29 | peterS | arooni: check it out and see. on debian it's extremely easy to try software, you just 'aptitude install' it and if you don't like it, 'aptitude remove' it |
| 05:23.41 | peterS | arooni: I don't know if it has all the features you need, but it should be easy enough to find out |
| 05:23.45 | arooni | peters: on windows things suck more |
| 05:23.50 | arooni | (where im at) |
| 05:24.00 | peterS | arooni: true, but you're asking in #debian, so I know you have access to a debian box to do this type of stuff on |
| 05:24.44 | jetscreamer | i'm remembering xfree maybe |
| 05:24.44 | cinix | jetscreamer, l think xbase-clients will give you the right depencies |
| 05:25.49 | cinix | that should grab libxxf86vm1 hopefully, along with other things you need |
| 05:26.18 | LunarCrisis | I've already got libxxf86vm1 installed =( |
| 05:26.30 | peterS | arooni: if you don't have a debian box handy: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2740 |
| 05:26.39 | peterS | arooni: that's sort of a feature summary of curl |
| 05:26.43 | cinix | LunarCrisis, check the version, and maybe try running ldconfig and trying again |
| 05:26.59 | cinix | and check xbase-clients, see if it causes a lot of conflicts |
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| 05:28.01 | dabreegster | Speaking of the x packages, x11-common in testing (6.9.0.dfsg.1-6) seems to have a conflict with xaw3dg-dev 1.5+E-11 over /usr/include/X11 |
| 05:28.16 | LunarCrisis | no luck with ldconfig |
| 05:28.41 | LunarCrisis | I have xbase-clients installed already |
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| 05:29.33 | cinix | LunarCrisis, I'm sure you do already have it installed, but is there an upgrade available? |
| 05:30.40 | cinix | try aptitude -t etch install xbase-clients |
| 05:30.59 | LunarCrisis | nope, no update available |
| 05:31.18 | LunarCrisis | I'm at 6.9.0.dfsg |
| 05:31.32 | cinix | I have 7.0.1-2 in etch? |
| 05:31.41 | cinix | maybe aptitude update |
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| 05:32.11 | LunarCrisis | just did |
| 05:32.17 | LunarCrisis | maybe my mirror is slow |
| 05:32.35 | LunarCrisis | I heard that 7 just got in recently and that there's a specific update procedure =( |
| 05:34.03 | cinix | I used aptitude and let it solve my dependency problems, had pretty good luck. I think it didn't install the xorg input-kbd and input-mouse packages |
| 05:34.10 | cinix | but smooth from there |
| 05:34.48 | LunarCrisis | maybe I should wait till that updates on my mirror and try my luck |
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| 05:37.57 | sid | Where are firefox cookies stored in ./mozilla somewhere? |
| 05:38.31 | Vasistha | sid: yeah, somewhere in there. I once grabbed one for wget or pavuk |
| 05:38.34 | sid | john@cookooland:~/.mozilla/firefox/udqs1jfi.default$ cat cookies.txt |
| 05:38.39 | sid | Is that it...only one file? |
| 05:38.45 | dabreegster | sid: .mozilla/firefox/0g8icdzf.default (at least for me)/cookies.txt |
| 05:38.54 | dabreegster | sid: Seems like it |
| 05:39.00 | sid | hmm, I thought it would be mutiple files. |
| 05:39.01 | sid | guess not |
| 05:39.19 | dabreegster | Why would it be? |
| 05:45.38 | Alam_Debian | is there a program to sort a FAT system? |
| 05:46.04 | Vasistha | Alam_Debian: "sort"? do you mean degragment? |
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| 05:47.36 | cam | I would like to run a web server, but which version to choose between apache & apache2 ?? |
| 05:47.36 | Alam_Debian | there a Win32 program called FATSort, my twin bro use to sort files in folders by name, so our ahhh.. GBA flash card will list the files in order |
| 05:48.11 | dabreegster | cam: Depends on what you want to use it for. For just a personal development server, apache 1.3 works fine for me |
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| 05:48.25 | LunarCrisis | Would be better to get the flash cart software to sort the entries internally =p |
| 05:48.45 | Alam_Debian | Win32 only |
| 05:48.46 | cam | dabreegster, it'll be only for hosting a really small web site ... with php & mysql support |
| 05:49.00 | Alam_Debian | but hey, there debian package call fatsort, hehe |
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| 05:49.10 | dabreegster | cam: I've no experience with apache2, but apache should work fine |
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| 05:50.19 | cam | dabreegster, oki |
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| 05:52.16 | nayyares | i want to analyez squid log for some selected websites on per IP bases, is there any good tool to do this? |
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| 05:53.37 | cinix | nayyares, I'd probably use grep or gawk because that's what I know. |
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| 05:54.28 | alexbod1 | hello, how can i temporarily lock a file in a script? |
| 05:54.44 | nayyares | cinix, in fact i want an html base report. |
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| 05:56.25 | castro2006 | hi there |
| 05:56.25 | peterS | alexbod1: depends on your scripting language |
| 05:56.26 | cinix | nayyares, oh. I've use analog to parse my log files, not sure how easy you could adapt it for squid |
| 05:56.40 | alexbod1 | peterS, bash |
| 05:56.44 | cinix | or maybe adapt squid to use something it already supports, or mabye it supports squid! I dunno |
| 05:56.56 | arooni | when when i see '-a/--append"... these are just two differnet ways to pass command line args to a *nix program right? |
| 05:56.56 | peterS | alexbod1: I'm not aware of a way to do it in bash. unless you're using dot locking |
| 05:57.09 | alexbod1 | howto? |
| 05:57.10 | castro2006 | i am transfering to debian from windows, i want to know how to tansfer my emails from MS Outlook to thunderbird |
| 05:57.23 | peterS | arooni: don't say *nix. what does it stand for? but -a and --append mean the same thing |
| 05:57.24 | castro2006 | if there is a good idea for that |
| 05:58.06 | Arafangion | castro2006: Use imap |
| 05:58.22 | liable | castro2006: theres an import function for thunderbird |
| 05:58.50 | Arafangion | castro2006: The only other way is to install thunderbird on windows, use that to transfer into a somewhat more standard form, and copy those files into debian, into the "correct" place, etc. |
| 05:58.58 | Arafangion | castro2006: Or use imap. |
| 05:59.06 | Arafangion | castro2006: It's so much better! |
| 05:59.19 | alexbod1 | castro2006, you may import from outlook to thunderbird under windows, then copy the file to linux fs |
| 05:59.54 | alexbod1 | peterS, how can i use dot locking? |
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| 06:00.14 | Arafangion | That's BAD! |
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| 06:00.30 | liable | Arafangion: indeed, and this is #debian.. |
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| 06:00.37 | Arafangion | liable: A much better OS. |
| 06:00.42 | Vasistha | hmm, I had trouble using imap with local cache in kmail... it would get stuck downloading new messages. Does thunderbird have better support for that? ... like when working with a pretty lousy imap server? |
| 06:00.46 | liable | Arafangion: fyi, theres a kernel meta-package you can remove |
| 06:00.48 | peterS | alexbod1: that's a form of locking where you create an extra file in the same directory, and the existence of the file is the lock. it's not used very often these days |
| 06:01.18 | alexbod1 | may this block c programs? |
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| 06:01.24 | Arafangion | liable: I'm about to wipe it and put Debian back on, I'm not happy with it's reliability. |
| 06:01.32 | Arafangion | liable: I'm returning back to Sarge |
| 06:01.43 | liable | Arafangion: wb :) |
| 06:01.45 | peterS | alexbod1: yes, if they are using the same locking scheme. like almost all locking on unix, it's cooperative |
| 06:01.59 | Arafangion | liable: Heh :) |
| 06:02.07 | alexbod1 | ok, then how should i act? |
| 06:02.56 | peterS | alexbod1: anyway, you'd use 'set -o noclobber' then run (:> $file.lock) 2>/dev/null in a loop until it succeeds. rm it when done. |
| 06:03.18 | peterS | that's dot locking in a nutshell |
| 06:03.31 | peterS | make sure the C app is using the same convention, creating a file ending in .lock or whatever |
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| 06:04.01 | peterS | btw when I say 'in a loop' I don't mean a busy loop, you'll want to 'sleep 1' or something in there too |
| 06:04.30 | alexbod1 | the c app is an existing one, using lock_fd |
| 06:04.48 | peterS | if it's not already using dot locking, you'll have to hack the source to make it do that |
| 06:05.05 | peterS | or give up on locking files purely in the shell, and use perl or something instead |
| 06:05.21 | alexbod1 | so i have to do a c program too? |
| 06:05.43 | Arafangion | Be aware that there can be a race condition in file locking semantics. |
| 06:05.45 | peterS | I didn't say that. I said you have to either modify the existing C program to use dot locking, or write your script in something like perl which can do real file locking |
| 06:05.59 | peterS | Arafangion: such as? dot locking is only racy on NFS |
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| 06:06.48 | alexbod1 | the c program is ifupdown |
| 06:06.49 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 06:07.14 | peterS | it is said that the only atomic operation on NFS is either mkdir or link, I forget which |
| 06:07.15 | superlinux | how can I make a postinstall shell script for a tar.gz file? |
| 06:07.42 | peterS | superlinux: what do you mean, for a tar.gz file? are you trying to create a debian package? |
| 06:07.54 | superlinux | no |
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| 06:08.25 | superlinux | jsut a normal tarball that would run a script after unpacking the tarball |
| 06:08.43 | alexbod1 | i'm reordering /etc/network/run/ifstate after an interface is being added by ifupdown |
| 06:09.07 | peterS | superlinux: you can't. tar doesn't have a way to automatically run a script after running |
| 06:09.22 | superlinux | ok |
| 06:09.26 | alexbod1 | peterS, i'm reordering /etc/network/run/ifstate after an interface is being added by ifupdown |
| 06:09.40 | peterS | superlinux: I think such a feature would be considered a serious security hole, since lots of people want to unpack tar files whose authors they don't necessarily trust |
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| 06:09.59 | superlinux | no no |
| 06:10.01 | Arafangion | peterS: It's much more racey on NFS. It's possible that I'm thinking of a kernel bug that has been fixed, though. |
| 06:10.10 | peterS | superlinux: so if tar were capable of running my custom script automatically just because _you_ want to unpack my tarball, I could do some very mean things to you |
| 06:10.13 | superlinux | I wanna make something for my own work |
| 06:10.17 | superlinux | you know |
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| 06:10.36 | alexbod1 | the normal way to do it is to a temp file, and then cat over the original |
| 06:11.07 | superlinux | copy my own conf files and |
| 06:11.10 | peterS | alexbod1: cat is not atomic either |
| 06:11.36 | peterS | superlinux: then you'll have to use something other than tar, something which can run a script after doing its main job. perhaps you will have to write that script yourself, something that invokes tar then does other things |
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| 06:11.44 | alexbod1 | the worst period is while reading the original |
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| 06:12.40 | alexbod1 | i may faster copy the file and awk over the original |
| 06:12.55 | superlinux | peterS, that pakg is not for me.. it's for a guy that is so newbie in linux and he has not that much time to memorize everything |
| 06:13.20 | peterS | superlinux: then you'd better use a package manager that lets you embed scripts in your packages, such as dpkg |
| 06:13.27 | peterS | superlinux: tar is not such a package manager |
| 06:14.21 | alexbod1 | packaging is the best and safest way to install files anywhere |
| 06:14.23 | superlinux | ok |
| 06:14.55 | Arafangion | alexbod1: I don't mind the odd tarball to decompress into a directory under /opt |
| 06:14.56 | superlinux | khalas anyway how do you build dpkgs? |
| 06:15.30 | alexbod1 | so untar in a script |
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| 06:17.04 | MidgetSpy | hey guys, php and apache were installed automatically during my sarge installation (because I selected web server in the package list). I now want to recompile php with mysql and imap support - what is the best way to go about this? should I dl the php source manually and compile from scratch? |
| 06:18.16 | cinix | MidgetSpy, you shuld be able to install the modules as seperate packages, like php4-mysql, php5-mysql |
| 06:18.27 | cinix | then enable them in your php.ini |
| 06:18.31 | MidgetSpy | hmm, ok I will look into that - thank you |
| 06:18.41 | alexbod1 | peterS: i may lock the file in c, to be as the concurrence |
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| 06:19.39 | peterS | alexbod1: do what you want. be aware that you can't lock a file an _keep_ it locked across process invocations (unless you use dotlocking) so if you want to call a C program to lock the file, it'll have to stay running until you're ready to unlock. that's not hard to do between shell and C but it requires being aware of these things |
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| 06:21.05 | alexbod1 | peterS: i just want to stay compatible with the main program that's updating this file, and will wait for it to be released |
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| 06:22.34 | Vasistha | !nickometer snoop0x7b |
| 06:22.35 | dpkg | 'snoop0x7b' is 97.880% lame, vasistha |
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| 06:23.07 | alexbod1 | peterS: thanks a lot |
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| 06:30.29 | Antharist | clamscan shows 8 times a virus under /home can I ignore is or have I to delete those files with the option -infected? |
| 06:31.47 | liable | Antharist: have you googled for false positives? |
| 06:32.18 | Antharist | liable: I'll try it what have I to enter in the google form by searching for false positives? |
| 06:34.05 | liable | Antharist: clamav and the file would be a good start i guess. what kind of files has it flagged? |
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| 06:35.51 | Antharist | AFAIK it's about email attachments they're only mail attachments can I ignore this or is it dangerous to have a worm Worm.Mydoom.I under /home/user/Mail? |
| 06:36.28 | Antharist | as I understand in the case I'am not open this file there shouldn't be a dangerous situation |
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| 06:36.59 | palomer | how do I purge a package? |
| 06:37.16 | palomer | after I delete |
| 06:37.19 | palomer | to remove all traces? |
| 06:37.19 | liable | i think you can be fairly safe, clamav afaik is primarily made to scan email on servers that run linux, that serve to windows boxen |
| 06:38.26 | Antharist | liable: this is a good explanation thank you for this answer you helped me quite a lot:-) |
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| 06:39.53 | liable | Antharist: you're welcome |
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| 06:42.01 | MidgetSpy | how can I check where a package is going to be installed before I install it? can I specify an alternate location? |
| 06:42.07 | MidgetSpy | (through apt that is) |
| 06:43.11 | liable | MidgetSpy: no. why do you want to change where its installed? |
| 06:43.27 | liable | palomer: dpkg -P |
| 06:45.23 | MidgetSpy | liable: well there is a package for horde/imp webmail software that I'd like to put in my www directory. |
| 06:45.40 | MidgetSpy | or at the very least I need to know where they are installed so I can point apache there |
| 06:46.07 | palomer | thx! |
| 06:46.12 | liable | MidgetSpy: dpkg -S foo will tell you all files it installed |
| 06:46.21 | MidgetSpy | ok, thanks |
| 06:47.01 | tralala | MidgetSpy: dpkg -L packagename (lists the contents of an installed package) |
| 06:47.09 | MidgetSpy | what's the difference between apt-get's recommended and suggested packages? |
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| 06:47.32 | MidgetSpy | tralala: thanks |
| 06:47.38 | tralala | MidgetSpy: a debian package normally should take care of all the related configurations so it should be as simple as install it and use it |
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| 06:48.50 | liable | uh, doh, my brain must be in hibernate mode. |
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| 06:49.26 | peterS | MidgetSpy: recommended means the package may do unexpected things (or be missing major functionality) without the other package. suggests means there are some features that might require some other package, but it's a much weaker statement |
| 06:49.47 | peterS | MidgetSpy: you don't want to ignore recommends unless you're quite sure of yourself. Suggests, you can usually ignore. |
| 06:49.56 | MidgetSpy | thanks peterS |
| 06:51.16 | peterS | MidgetSpy: Recommends is like "do you want a CPU and memory to go with your new motherboard?" Suggests is "Perhaps you want a sound card too" |
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| 06:52.35 | oskie | is there a way to list disk inode space usage? my disk is full and I can't find out what's taking the space (with du)! |
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| 06:54.30 | XandriX | i cant get apt-get install kde to install kde it always stalls at 1 file |
| 06:55.00 | Coweater | with what error? |
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| 06:55.35 | XandriX | failed to fetch http://mirror.direct.ca/linux/debian/pool/main/libf/libfontenc/libfontenc1_1.0.1-5_i386.deb |
| 06:55.36 | sid | How can I get the "summary" of a MS Word doc file, the "file" command doesn't give me that info. |
| 06:55.46 | sid | Like if I right click on a file.doc and it has a summary |
| 06:55.52 | sid | How can I get that info in GNU / Linux |
| 06:56.10 | XandriX | ill try with --fix-missing |
| 06:56.16 | rxed | I just did dist-upgrade and for some reason my fluxbox settings have been reset. Everything looks bigger. I assume this is xorg upgrade that messed my settings. Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 06:56.45 | Coweater | XandriX: use a different mirror |
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| 06:56.54 | XandriX | --fix-missing seems to work |
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| 07:00.05 | crazy_penguin | good day all! |
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| 07:01.26 | raf | hello all, could someone help me on remastering debian CD? |
| 07:01.58 | raf | I haven't found any information about it |
| 07:02.13 | XandriX | if i have gnome installed and just installed kde how do i switch from gdm to kdm :S |
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| 07:04.29 | mastroquet | XandiX : can't answer to that, because I only use gdm -- but do you really need kdm, even if you prefer to use kde ? |
| 07:04.57 | XandriX | yes for the theme i made for it lol |
| 07:05.05 | mastroquet | ah |
| 07:05.10 | mastroquet | ;-) |
| 07:05.16 | mastroquet | good answer |
| 07:06.44 | XandriX | and does anyone here know a good mirror for canada beside mirror.direc.ca |
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| 07:07.33 | scx | hello! |
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| 07:08.12 | scx | I'm gonna say again my issue: when I type startx, I get a failsafe console, then I type KDE, and I get KDE, |
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| 07:08.33 | rxed | How do I change resolution: 96x96 dots per inch |
| 07:08.42 | rxed | to 75x75 |
| 07:08.45 | oskie | how can apache create 24G large error log files? wouldn't that take quite some time, even if DDoSed? |
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| 07:09.17 | scx | but if I run init 5, I get a KDM, but after I selected the KDE, I just get the failsafe console, instead of KDE,... |
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| 07:10.41 | scx | any idea ? |
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| 07:11.47 | wireddd | scx for starters is this stable? |
| 07:11.53 | arooni | curl question for you geniuses here: I am requesting images via my web server without actually having the name of the file/extension. i believe this information is contained in the http header curl receives. :: |
| 07:11.58 | arooni | Is there a way of having curl examine the header, grab filename/extension, and then save the image file with those same attributes... all in one step? thanks! |
| 07:12.15 | mastroquet | sxc : 1 - are you on etch 2 - any error message ? |
| 07:12.47 | scx | wireddd: ??? stable version ? yes, |
| 07:13.15 | scx | it was working fine,... |
| 07:13.46 | scx | CRTL+Alt+F3 F4 F... does not work also |
| 07:13.54 | scx | in X |
| 07:14.10 | scx | in text tty all goes fine |
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| 07:15.00 | rxed | how do I change dpi resolution in xorg? |
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| 07:16.22 | TraceGreen | Hello, does boot loader load linux kernel and initrd.gz and then unzip initrd.gz and mount to kernel? |
| 07:17.03 | TraceGreen | or, boot loader just copy linux kernel and initrd.gz to memory, kernel itself unzip initrd.gz and mount to self? |
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| 07:22.25 | dunoun | hi guys, i am having problem starting gnome apps in kde. would like to know in which script is the gnome-settings-daemon command? |
| 07:23.53 | dunoun | when the yanks are asleep, everything is in peace. |
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| 07:24.07 | simonrvn | just run it from CLI or the "run command" thing |
| 07:24.54 | dunoun | simonrvn: the automatic way should be better. |
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| 07:26.20 | liable | dunoun: what do you mean by having a hard time starting them? |
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| 07:26.53 | dunoun | liable: the icons are not there. |
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| 07:27.29 | turiddu | dlx1:/var/www/vhcs2/engine# groupdel vu2000 |
| 07:27.29 | turiddu | groupdel: group vu2000 does not exist |
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| 07:27.33 | SonnyBurnett | hi, I'm trying to install my webcam, I have installed the driver spca5xx, and when I try to run camorama to try it, I receive this error: video device /dev/video0 |
| 07:27.33 | SonnyBurnett | ERROR opening V4L interface |
| 07:27.33 | SonnyBurnett | : No such file or directory |
| 07:27.37 | turiddu | can anyone tell me why i can't delete this group? |
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| 07:27.44 | BobTheSpeaker | I am trying to start heartbeat configuratoin and I get this error "Bad nodename in /etc/ha.d/haresources [~]" yet the node name is the same as the ha.cf one, the output of hostname, and the output of uname -n, so I know the node name is right |
| 07:27.49 | liable | dunoun: in the menu? |
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| 07:28.21 | dunoun | liable: the menu icons are all missing. |
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| 07:28.52 | turiddu | can anyone help me? |
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| 07:29.05 | BobTheSpeaker | no |
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| 07:33.07 | dunoun | liable: all i need to know is where is this command or is it there at all. any help? |
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| 07:35.00 | liable | dunoun: i dont use gnome, but i dont really understand what that command might do to help. maybe try a gnome channel. sorry |
| 07:35.21 | Littl3_indian | Hi everyone, I accidently removed "dpkg". How do I reinstall it? |
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| 07:35.34 | liable | eww |
| 07:35.52 | liable | Littl3_indian: did you manually remove the binary? |
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| 07:36.08 | Vasistha | Littl3_indian: uhhh... wow. really? |
| 07:36.40 | Littl3_indian | liable:actually i did===> apt-get remove dpkg |
| 07:37.14 | dunoun | liable: it is not a gnome problem. it is knowing the script which is executed at the start of each kde session. |
| 07:37.19 | liable | Littl3_indian: wow, it actually let you? |
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| 07:37.48 | Celeste | hi |
| 07:37.56 | Littl3_indian | I was just trying some things and removed it. It asked before removing though...:( |
| 07:38.10 | Celeste | can I rename *all* the files in a directory with the suffix .TXT to .txt ? |
| 07:38.23 | liable | Littl3_indian: anyway, you need to manually extract the package i guees, and update the status file. |
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| 07:38.56 | Littl3_indian | liable: you mean using tarball or something, right? |
| 07:39.35 | liable | Littl3_indian: no the .deb, you will have to use ar to extract it i spose |
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| 07:40.14 | Vasistha | Celeste: rename 's/\.TXT$/.txt/' * |
| 07:40.40 | Littl3_indian | liable:will a '.deb' work without dpkg? i thaught they need 'dpkg' |
| 07:40.46 | Celeste | wow ... the shell knows regexps ??? |
| 07:40.49 | Celeste | thx Vasistha |
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| 07:41.32 | Vasistha | Celeste: some programs do. rename has a regex implementation, so does sed, and a host of other programs. And yeah, bash has some regex support, too |
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| 07:41.56 | servus | ( Debian's `rename` is a Perl program ) |
| 07:41.58 | liable | Littl3_indian: you can unpack it with 'ar' |
| 07:42.00 | unix_infidel | any URLs for bed time reading would be really great. |
| 07:42.03 | unix_infidel | hey guys, i'm looking into settig up a couple of clusters. I'm looking for any cluster admin tricks / tips that would help me along on my way. |
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| 07:42.23 | Celeste | Vasistha, one more question please: why does unzip * not work? |
| 07:42.30 | Celeste | unzipping every single file works |
| 07:42.36 | faljse | unzip '*' |
| 07:42.46 | XandriX | anyone her use emacs ? |
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| 07:43.28 | faljse | unzip wants 1 file/wildcard.. if you write * .. it gets many files... |
| 07:43.45 | unix_infidel | anyone? |
| 07:43.45 | azzz | hey all, n00b here... help required... I want to run a program as root (sudo), but I need to have my own environment because I need the x11 display from my acct. can this be done???? |
| 07:43.47 | Vasistha | Celeste: the reason it doesn't work is that bash will expand that *, and pass those file names to unzip. Unzip will see the first, assume that's the archive, and assume the rest of the list is files within the archive to extract |
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| 07:44.09 | Celeste | Vasistha, no workaround? |
| 07:44.13 | XandriX | seriously how do i save a file with emacs |
| 07:44.14 | Vasistha | Celeste: ...rather than taking it as a list of archives all of which should be extracted. So yeah, use faljse's suggestion, unzip '*' |
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| 07:44.44 | kjoonlee | XandriX: Ctrl-F S? |
| 07:44.46 | Celeste | thank you Vasistha and faljse |
| 07:44.53 | Celeste | faljse, sorry I did not see your message before |
| 07:45.04 | Vasistha | azzz: probably. You should never log into X as root. First, there is probably a way to "Run...." a program, and select another user. |
| 07:45.09 | scx | hello, I have an external DVD drive but the DVD I want to boot goes into panic |
| 07:45.15 | XandriX | kjoonlee, nope :( |
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| 07:45.36 | kjoonlee | XandriX: Ctrl-X S? Have you looked at the emacs tutorial? |
| 07:45.36 | scx | how do I tell the boot prompt to install the usb/scsi drivers before? |
| 07:45.53 | Vasistha | azzz: the other thing is to sudo in a console, and type a command line for a gui app. But before that will work, your normal user needs to: xhost +local: |
| 07:46.04 | liable | azzz: theres sux, gksu, and a kde program for running x apps as root |
| 07:46.08 | XandriX | kjoonlee, im on a server that only has emacs as a text editor its the first time i use it in my life and so far i hate it and all i want to do is save my file |
| 07:46.23 | scx | I mean: how do I tell the Kernell to load a module in the very begining of the boot? |
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| 07:46.32 | nevyn | Vasistha: EWWW |
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| 07:46.43 | liable | scx: put the module in /etc/modules |
| 07:46.43 | XandriX | and if i lose my connection i lose that hour of configuring |
| 07:46.43 | scx | like the reiserfs module |
| 07:46.45 | nevyn | XandriX: no vi? |
| 07:46.46 | ChrisW | anyone know how logwatch decides when to send its daily mail? |
| 07:46.47 | kjoonlee | XandriX: Ctrl-X Ctrl-S |
| 07:46.53 | XandriX | nevyn, nope thats the funny part |
| 07:47.00 | scx | liable: it's a DVD |
| 07:47.01 | nevyn | that's just wrong |
| 07:47.09 | scx | liable: I can't edit it |
| 07:47.16 | XandriX | saved |
| 07:47.18 | simonrvn | !xhost |
| 07:47.18 | dpkg | hmm... xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 07:47.20 | XandriX | now how do i exit lol |
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| 07:47.35 | nevyn | XandriX: ctrl-x ctrl-c |
| 07:47.35 | azzz | I actually dont want to run it as root... I have a user "nobody" taht I want to use. But it doesnt have a shell... I guess it needs a shell?? |
| 07:47.37 | kjoonlee | XandriX: Ctrl-X Ctrl-C |
| 07:47.44 | Vasistha | nevyn: something wrong with xhost +local: ? |
| 07:47.57 | nevyn | XandriX: that's the one emac command I remember off by heart |
| 07:48.08 | XandriX | lol kk thx guys |
| 07:48.16 | nevyn | Vasistha: gimme a shell on your machine and I'll demonstrate ;) |
| 07:48.44 | nevyn | Vasistha: on a single user workstation it's not so bad but it does massivly compramise local security |
| 07:48.45 | liable | scx: well, if the dvd kernel has reiser support, i guess it should detect the partition and load it for you |
| 07:48.55 | Vasistha | nevyn: ahha. thanks |
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| 07:49.19 | azzz | or can I just export the DISPLAY to my machine to get the x11? wouldn't that work??? |
| 07:49.37 | Vasistha | nevyn: ...beyond just the capability for anyone to run a gui app? does it allow an "in" into the X escalating questionable permissions? |
| 07:49.47 | nevyn | Vasistha: I prefer to actualy ssh -X root@localhost if ksu |
| 07:50.10 | Vasistha | nevyn: wouldn't one need to run sshd in order for that to work? |
| 07:50.15 | nevyn | Vasistha: umm XonX would allow a mallicious remote user to read every keystroke you type into X |
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| 07:50.43 | Vasistha | nevyn: yeah, but that's a remote user, could they get access as a local user if they ssh'd in? |
| 07:50.55 | kjoonlee | How do I unzip a file made with Japanese versions of Windows? I'm running an en_US.UTF-8 system. |
| 07:51.09 | azzz | it looks as tho su -m/-p does what Im looking for |
| 07:51.10 | kjoonlee | All the characters in the filename end up messed up. |
| 07:51.11 | nevyn | Vasistha: sorry.. I ment a local user.. |
| 07:51.20 | nevyn | once someone ssh's in they'd be a local user ;) |
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| 07:51.35 | nevyn | but not the user at the console |
| 07:51.59 | Vasistha | hmm, I wonder what the password is for 'nobody' :-) |
| 07:51.59 | scx | liable: nono, it does not detect the cdro it boot from, 'cause of it's an usb drive |
| 07:52.14 | nevyn | the point is that a local user who had logged on from a remote system could get access to everything entered in X |
| 07:52.21 | nevyn | Vasistha: nobody doesn't have a password |
| 07:52.31 | nevyn | Vasistha: and shouldn't |
| 07:52.43 | arooni | so wget seems broken it starts out all image scr urls as ... img src = "/path/starts/with/a/slash.jpg" instead of "path/shouldn't/start/like/that.jpg" |
| 07:52.44 | Vasistha | nevyn: alright, well, that explains it. I'll never recommend xhost anymore |
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| 07:52.51 | liable | scx: huh? you lost me now. can you explain what you are actually trying to do |
| 07:52.59 | nevyn | Vasistha: you can't login as nobody remotely |
| 07:53.15 | nevyn | even tho nobody doesn't have a password.. |
| 07:53.24 | Vasistha | nevyn: I tried to use kdesu to run something as 'nobody' ;-) |
| 07:53.42 | nevyn | are you root already? |
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| 07:53.54 | Vasistha | nevyn: ...and I can't su nobody from the command line either, unless I'm root |
| 07:54.07 | nevyn | that's right |
| 07:54.32 | nevyn | having no password is a secure state. (account dissabled is more accurate) |
| 07:54.42 | nevyn | this is not equivilent to having an empty password |
| 07:54.43 | scx | the DVD boots from an usb drive, but during the beginning of the booting it goes into panic 'cause of it still does not load the usb/scsi drivers, so, It can not find the cdrom it boot from |
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| 07:56.12 | Vasistha | hmm, well here's a question. Is there a way to "disown" a file so that someone else can take ownership, without root having to change file ownership? |
| 07:56.12 | liable | scx: hrm, i guess expert mode wont really help there either. i dunno, i would have thought they would be built into the initrd.. |
| 07:57.01 | nevyn | Vasistha: there might be a way using extended permissions... |
| 07:57.34 | Vasistha | nevyn: wouldn't that essentially mean giving someone the power to chown some-other-user this-file ? |
| 07:57.40 | nevyn | Vasistha: you could make the directory sticky so that people can create files as themselves but not delete other peoples (tmp file) |
| 07:57.45 | Vasistha | (is that syntax backwards?) |
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| 07:58.07 | nevyn | Vasistha: you can gift files now |
| 07:58.09 | nevyn | ie.. |
| 07:58.12 | scx | liable: ok,... tnks |
| 07:58.13 | nevyn | my file foo |
| 07:58.14 | Vasistha | ahha, gift! |
| 07:58.14 | ChrisW | is ntp not installed by default on a debian box? |
| 07:58.25 | nevyn | chown vasistha foo |
| 07:58.28 | nevyn | is allowable |
| 07:58.35 | Vasistha | hrm, really? I'll try it... |
| 07:59.04 | ChrisW | oh, and more usefully, how do I find out what a debian box thinks it's timezone is? |
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| 07:59.28 | nevyn | not garunteeing that vasistha can traverse the directorys to that file.. but if it's somewhere that Vasistha has read access on the directory then they'll be fine |
| 07:59.35 | nevyn | ChrisW: cat /etc/timezone |
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| 08:00.17 | Vasistha | nevyn: not workin' for me... chown: changing ownership of `blah': Operation not permitted |
| 08:00.27 | nevyn | hrm |
| 08:00.31 | ChrisW | k, they both say US/Central, but I'm in the UK, so I guess I need to change that... how'd I do that? |
| 08:00.41 | nevyn | what are you running |
| 08:00.56 | Vasistha | ChrisW: also check out tzconfig |
| 08:00.56 | nevyn | ChrisW: as root tzconfig |
| 08:01.15 | Vasistha | nevyn: sarge, if you were asking me |
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| 08:01.29 | ChrisW | thanks, and how do actually set the correct time, just use "date blah" and then let ntp do its thing? |
| 08:01.32 | nevyn | Vasistha: I ment the command |
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| 08:02.14 | Linuxino | hi |
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| 08:02.20 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 08:02.21 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 08:02.43 | Vasistha | nevyn: chown vasistha myfile.txt |
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| 08:02.47 | ChrisW | woo |
| 08:02.48 | ChrisW | thanks |
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| 08:03.27 | Neg127 | topic |
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| 08:05.46 | ChrisW | valdyn: okay, I just did "aptitude install ntp" which brought in ntp-simple and ntp but not ntpdate... what does ntpdate do? |
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| 08:06.46 | cook | hi all |
| 08:08.10 | addggg | it's quiet today |
| 08:08.31 | Neg127 | I'm haveing trouble instlling sasl2-bin I get a generic error and it halts the install. Here is a paste of the error. http://channels.debian.net/paste/2741 |
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| 08:08.57 | valdyn | ChrisW: apt-cache show ntpdate |
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| 08:10.37 | valdyn | ChrisW: ntp-simple will only adjust time in a safe way in very small steps, taht is why having ntpdate on boot is a good idea ( in case your time is off by a large amount ) |
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| 08:11.22 | addggg | what's better for a newbie for first time firewalling? Firestarter, shorewall or something else? |
| 08:11.30 | valdyn | addggg: firestarter |
| 08:11.44 | valdyn | addggg: shorewall is not at all for newbies |
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| 08:12.04 | ChrisW | valdyn: do I just "apttidue install ntpdate"? |
| 08:12.13 | Vasistha | valdyn: I've been using guarddog -- is that appropriate to recommend for noobs? |
| 08:12.15 | valdyn | ChrisW: yea, taht's it |
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| 08:12.18 | addggg | thanks valdyn, do I just apt-get firestarter? |
| 08:12.23 | valdyn | Vasistha: i dont know it |
| 08:12.36 | ChrisW | googles for "man ntpdate" tell me that ntpdate is deprecated, though... |
| 08:12.39 | valdyn | addggg: 'apt-get install firestarter' |
| 08:12.54 | addggg | valdyn: great! |
| 08:12.57 | valdyn | ChrisW: in favour of what? |
| 08:13.14 | valdyn | ChrisW: ntpdate is run once on boot, thats the only safe place to run it, ntp-simple will keep your time synced |
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| 08:14.04 | sanzo-ma | does anybody has problems starting inkscape in sid? |
| 08:14.15 | valdyn | ChrisW: i dont see 'deprecate' in the manpage ) |
| 08:14.21 | ChrisW | valdyn: okay ,what happens if I just run it now? |
| 08:14.29 | Vasistha | how would one's clock get off by a "large" amount? and can ntp-simple to a daylight savings adjustment? |
| 08:14.32 | ChrisW | http://www.hmug.org/man/8/ntpdate.php |
| 08:14.39 | ChrisW | fair enough it's for darwin |
| 08:14.44 | ChrisW | but the hint is still there../. |
| 08:15.00 | ChrisW | Vasistha: if you start off in the wrong itmezone ;-) |
| 08:15.37 | valdyn | ChrisW: probably nothing |
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| 08:15.43 | ChrisW | and in a perplexing answer to my own question, running ntpdate I get: "no servers can be used, exiting" |
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| 08:15.53 | valdyn | ChrisW: now, you'd best let both tools run as indended and as is default |
| 08:16.02 | ChrisW | I'd imagine it uses the servers in /etc/ntp/conf? |
| 08:16.14 | ChrisW | sorry, ntp.conf |
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| 08:16.29 | Vasistha | ChrisW: hmm, I wonder if it might be a connection problem, might your firewall be blocking the ntp port, or would that give a different error? |
| 08:16.52 | ChrisW | well, I'm not running afirewall yet ;-) |
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| 08:16.59 | ChrisW | these are pretty new servers |
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| 08:17.14 | ChrisW | and I can ping the server listen in /etc/ntp.conf |
| 08:17.29 | valdyn | ChrisW: use '/etc/init.d/ntpdate start' |
| 08:17.57 | ChrisW | yay |
| 08:17.58 | ChrisW | thanks |
| 08:18.01 | ChrisW | what did that do? |
| 08:18.06 | ChrisW | (that was different) |
| 08:18.47 | valdyn | ChrisW: no idea, read the script |
| 08:19.02 | ChrisW | oh well, it worked, thanks |
| 08:19.18 | ChrisW | which brings me way back to my original question |
| 08:19.26 | ChrisW | how does logwatch decide when to send its mail? cronjob somewhere? if so, where? |
| 08:19.58 | valdyn | ChrisW: cronjob |
| 08:20.03 | simonrvn | what that does is sync the system time to the configured ntpd |
| 08:20.15 | simonrvn | cron.daily IIRC |
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| 08:21.16 | ChrisW | mmm, grepping for ntp in "ps ax", surely I should seee something? |
| 08:22.07 | simonrvn | if the ntpd is started of course |
| 08:22.13 | Devil_Kin | how does one blacklist a module in hotplug (so it's not loaded automatically) but still allows modprobe to work? |
| 08:22.28 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 08:22.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 08:22.42 | ChrisW | okay, would you expect ntpd to be started if I was only using ntp to keep the server's time in syunc, rather than actually running an ntp server? |
| 08:23.11 | valdyn | ChrisW: ntp-simple does that |
| 08:23.38 | ChrisW | okay, and with ntp-simple, if I grep for ntp in ps ax, should I expect to see anything? |
| 08:23.40 | Devil_Kin | valdyn: ok, but how do i make blacklisting just trigger on hotplug and not on modprobe? the entry is only in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ |
| 08:23.48 | simonrvn | you have to run one if you want it to sync |
| 08:23.59 | ChrisW | (just trying ot make sure everything is as it should be on the ntp front..) |
| 08:24.04 | valdyn | Devil_Kin: blacklisting doesn't affect modprobe |
| 08:24.29 | Devil_Kin | valdyn: it does - i can no longer use 'ifup eth1' (which is aliased to ipw2100), until i uncommented my blacklist entry in /etc/hotplug/ |
| 08:24.39 | Devil_Kin | s/uncommented/commented/ |
| 08:24.45 | simonrvn | most people just install ntp-simple. if a netowrk, they'll have one main server fetching info from somewhere (usually the pool.n.o servers) and the rest would sync off the main one |
| 08:24.45 | ChrisW | simonrvn: well, I aptitude install'ed ntp and ntpdate, but I don't appear to have a running ntpd process, should I worry? |
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| 08:24.58 | valdyn | Devil_Kin: now that is one weird idea, why would you blacklist a module that you actually do want to use? |
| 08:25.10 | ChrisW | yeah, my servers are both "syn off the main one", so what should I expect to see running? |
| 08:25.16 | Devil_Kin | valdyn: i don't want it to autoload at bootup - i'll load it whenever i need it, which isn't that often |
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| 08:25.40 | Devil_Kin | valdyn: it worked perfectly prior to the last update of module-init-tools |
| 08:25.40 | valdyn | Devil_Kin: blacklist it just in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ |
| 08:25.49 | Devil_Kin | valdyn: that's the only place it is in |
| 08:26.42 | valdyn | Devil_Kin: report a bug i guess |
| 08:26.50 | valdyn | Devil_Kin: but that doesnt change that this really is a sily idea |
| 08:27.00 | valdyn | Devil_Kin: one module wont steal your resources or anything |
| 08:27.28 | valdyn | Devil_Kin: and if you're concerned about power usage, ipw2100 supports power mananagement, radio can be switched off |
| 08:27.36 | Devil_Kin | valdyn: it's pretty useless to have my wifi active if i'm nowhere near an ap imo |
| 08:27.41 | Devil_Kin | and i just tested it |
| 08:27.52 | Devil_Kin | i have ipw2100 in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/custom |
| 08:27.57 | Devil_Kin | modprobe eth1 -> failure |
| 08:28.22 | musashiden | i'm getting this error output when trying to compile something of java. |
| 08:28.24 | musashiden | Unable to locate tools.jar. Expected to find it in /usr/lib/sablevm/lib/tools.jar |
| 08:28.36 | musashiden | com.sun.tools.javac.Main is not on the classpath. |
| 08:28.36 | musashiden | Perhaps JAVA_HOME does not point to the JDK |
| 08:28.52 | ChrisW | what time does stuff in cron.daily run at? |
| 08:29.18 | valdyn | Devil_Kin: a workaround: put modprobe ipw2100 in pre-up and modprobe -r ipw2100 in post-down in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:29.46 | Devil_Kin | valdyn: yeah, i know, that's what i've done for now. still, it's a bug |
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| 08:29.56 | valdyn | Devil_Kin: so report it |
| 08:30.00 | Devil_Kin | doing :) |
| 08:30.03 | musashiden | anybody knows what package i may be missing? |
| 08:31.55 | lord_rob | hmmm move to oftc doesn't seem to have made this chan empty at all :) |
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| 08:32.50 | Supaplex | how do I setup my own file:/ repository? I only want dpkg from incomming for make-live (debian livecd creator) |
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| 08:38.14 | Vasistha | musashiden: well, is it possible that JAVA_HOME does not point to the JDK? have you done a find /usr -name tools.jar ? |
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| 08:39.39 | etch4us | hello |
| 08:39.41 | etch4us | all |
| 08:40.05 | etch4us | install a printer in kde 3.5.2? |
| 08:40.17 | etch4us | no printer wizard? |
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| 08:40.34 | etch4us | maybe "I missed it |
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| 08:41.49 | superlinux | what could make linux freeze after 2 days if the RAM is 2GB and squid is on it runing in a very humid and hot room and traffic shaping using TCNG on the same machine? |
| 08:42.03 | superlinux | and swap partition is there also |
| 08:42.08 | superlinux | 4 GB |
| 08:42.23 | valdyn | superlinux: overheating |
| 08:42.31 | etch4us | cpu temp? |
| 08:42.46 | etch4us | lm sensors installed? |
| 08:42.48 | Vasistha | superlinux: hardware has humidity limitations too |
| 08:43.04 | superlinux | I know Vasistha |
| 08:43.17 | superlinux | no lm sensors are not installed |
| 08:43.22 | superlinux | I don think so |
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| 08:43.50 | Vasistha | superlinux: dunno if an air conditioner could be an option -- they dry out the air and cool it |
| 08:43.56 | Supaplex | what's the eta for dpkg to move from incoming to sid? |
| 08:44.20 | valdyn | Supaplex: 14 hours |
| 08:44.38 | etch4us | what is ambient temp? |
| 08:44.51 | no0ke | how do i know what process is using that port? |
| 08:45.03 | valdyn | etch4us: which hardware is having that sensor? |
| 08:45.18 | no0ke | let's say, for example, port 55555, how do i know which process is using this? |
| 08:45.29 | superlinux | etch4us, I think I have to check |
| 08:45.38 | valdyn | no0ke: netstat -plunt |
| 08:45.40 | superlinux | there is a need for it |
| 08:45.52 | etch4us | superlinux: ok |
| 08:46.13 | no0ke | valdyn: i don't see any program runnin |
| 08:46.21 | no0ke | valdyn: is there any other way? |
| 08:46.27 | etch4us | temp here is 30c,,cpu 42c |
| 08:46.36 | valdyn | no0ke: then no program is listening on that port |
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| 08:46.51 | valdyn | no0ke: what exactly are you looking for? |
| 08:47.26 | valdyn | no0ke: 55555 isnt a port anything is listening on normally, anyway |
| 08:47.51 | no0ke | im just using it as an example |
| 08:48.04 | etch4us | superlinux: what is the ambient temp there? |
| 08:48.11 | valdyn | no0ke: ok - netstat -plunt will show all listening ports |
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| 08:48.56 | valdyn | no0ke: and netstat -punt will show all used network ports, not just listening ones |
| 08:48.59 | no0ke | valdyn: it does, but it didn't show any process running on that port |
| 08:49.16 | valdyn | no0ke: maybe you didnt run it as root |
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| 08:53.32 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 08:53.33 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:54.16 | etch4us | valdyn: you talking about lm sensors?/ |
| 08:54.31 | valdyn | etch4us: yea |
| 08:54.44 | valdyn | etch4us: 'ambient temperature' |
| 08:54.55 | etch4us | install them with synaptic |
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| 08:55.19 | valdyn | etch4us: i have 2 of those, for instance |
| 08:55.35 | valdyn | etch4us: one of my graphic cards, the other on the mainboard |
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| 08:55.45 | chikun | hi? |
| 08:55.51 | chikun | can i ask something please? |
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| 08:55.58 | valdyn | !justask |
| 08:55.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:56.10 | chikun | ok thanx people |
| 08:56.44 | etch4us | valdyn: ok so you can monitor them at at all times lke me |
| 08:57.02 | chikun | how can i untar a tgz file? |
| 08:57.12 | deadcat_ | tar |
| 08:57.23 | tarzeau | z |
| 08:57.36 | valdyn | chikun: tar xzf file.tgz |
| 08:57.39 | Vasistha | chikun: tar zxf filename.tgz |
| 08:57.45 | chikun | thanx people |
| 08:57.48 | deadcat_ | i think he should man tar for something this simple. |
| 08:57.52 | chikun | last questoin |
| 08:57.59 | chikun | last question |
| 08:58.07 | chikun | how can i use a web cam on my debian? |
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| 08:58.19 | deadcat_ | chikun: load the module. what camera is it? |
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| 08:58.27 | RvGaTe | morning all |
| 08:58.32 | etch4us | chihchun: good Q |
| 08:58.50 | chikun | is a logitech express |
| 08:58.53 | etch4us | chikun: good Q |
| 08:59.08 | deadcat_ | chikun: i dont think the express works on linux.. |
| 08:59.08 | chikun | logitech quickcam express |
| 08:59.11 | valdyn | chikun: just plug it in and run gqcam, for instance |
| 08:59.18 | chikun | yes it works |
| 08:59.23 | chikun | whats gqcam? |
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| 08:59.40 | deadcat_ | chikun: if it works. load the module then. |
| 08:59.48 | chikun | which module? |
| 08:59.52 | deadcat_ | exactly |
| 09:00.53 | chikun | http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 09:01.13 | deadcat_ | chikun: compile a load the module |
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| 09:01.45 | js_ | chikun: i use http://home.mag.cx/messenger/ with quickcam messenger, and it works |
| 09:01.48 | deadcat_ | chikun: ah. that crap is express. i used to own one i guess.. (= the quality sucked. but that was long ago |
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| 09:01.55 | solemnwarning-lt | Hi all |
| 09:02.34 | solemnwarning-lt | Does anyone know of a good browser that will work with SSH tunnel proxies? |
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| 09:03.32 | chikun | which module do i need to compile? |
| 09:03.58 | solemnwarning-lt | 747 people and the channel is dead... |
| 09:04.07 | deadcat_ | solemnwarning-lt: we dont know |
| 09:04.20 | deadcat_ | chikun: the one with your camera picture |
| 09:05.47 | chikun | in which web ? |
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| 09:07.15 | pitillo | hi good morning. Why mutt depends on exim4-daemon-light ? |
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| 09:07.42 | pitillo | sorry if this is a trivial question |
| 09:07.48 | etch4us | MMM Dedians are conservative huh |
| 09:07.56 | BobTheSpeaker | I am trying to launch apache2, I put Listen 10.100.5.70:80 in the apache2.conf and restarted it but it complains it cannot bind on that ip, there is no other web running and I just created the alias, so there is definately nothing using it. |
| 09:07.57 | etch4us | Debians |
| 09:08.12 | RvGaTe | i did an update on my server, and it updated openvpn, nothing wrong with it, but when it tried to restart it, it gives me this error: Restarting virtual private network daemon:invoke-rc.d: initscript openvpn, action "cond-restart" failed. It worked again after manually doing: /etc/init.d/openvpn restart |
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| 09:13.06 | chikun | one question |
| 09:13.09 | chikun | whats spaxx? |
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| 09:14.28 | deadcat_ | 2 questions |
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| 09:15.57 | chikun | deadcat |
| 09:16.00 | chikun | whats spaxx? |
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| 09:16.59 | pitillo | what about removing exim4 from my router? if I_ try to remove exim4-daemon-light tries to remove mutt too. I dont understand it |
| 09:17.23 | pitillo | why a client depends on a mta? |
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| 09:18.02 | chikun | hola |
| 09:18.06 | chikun | alguien podria ayudarme por favor? |
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| 09:19.00 | arooni | folks: I have "Cookie: cookieName=cookieValue\r\n" added to my header file... is that the right thing if i want to add a cookie to my header request? |
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| 09:19.31 | someone | hi, is it possible to reinstall all installed packages? |
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| 09:19.56 | Ronin | only if you start from scratch |
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| 09:22.07 | mastroquet | I can't find on man aptitude the difference between "aptitude upgrade" and "aptitude dist-upgrade" - is there any ? |
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| 09:22.17 | someone | ok, thanks Ronin |
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| 09:22.49 | Zapelius | where do I ask about the nightly build net-installer CD? |
| 09:23.00 | Zapelius | Have a problem with it |
| 09:24.29 | cinix | Zapelius, here's a place to start |
| 09:25.13 | Zapelius | Configuring the package manager; "Bad archive mirror" is the result whatever mirror chosen |
| 09:25.29 | Zapelius | using 'expert26' option to boot the etch installer |
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| 09:27.37 | chikun | one question please |
| 09:27.42 | Zapelius | yes |
| 09:27.55 | chikun | i need the sources of my kernel |
| 09:27.58 | chikun | where can i get it? |
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| 09:28.58 | Vasistha | chikun: apt-get install kernel-sources-2.?.?whatever |
| 09:29.00 | cinix | Zapelius, I don't know what to do about that. haven't done an install for a long time. you know you can switch around with alt-f keys to get to a terminal? maybe some more informative error messages |
| 09:29.05 | Vasistha | chikun: ...or aptitude |
| 09:29.11 | Vasistha | chikun: you may also want kernel-tree |
| 09:29.39 | Vasistha | chikun: excuse me, that should be kernel-source, not kernel-sourceS |
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| 09:29.56 | Zapelius | cinix, I already have set sources.list manually up in /target/etc/apt/ , see what it does.. |
| 09:30.07 | Oxi9eN | Ciauuuuuuuuuu |
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| 09:36.56 | Moustache | Hi |
| 09:37.13 | Moustache | is there a filesystem that accept filename containing the \ char |
| 09:37.41 | cinix | Moustache, ext2/3 does |
| 09:37.52 | cinix | just have do do like \\\ |
| 09:38.13 | cinix | or just \\ |
| 09:38.34 | Moustache | i have ext3.. |
| 09:38.49 | cinix | Moustache, try touch Hello\\There |
| 09:39.08 | Moustache | oh |
| 09:39.13 | Moustache | thanks a lot |
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| 09:39.43 | Moustache | what is oftc |
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| 09:40.47 | cinix | Moustache, another IRC network |
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| 09:42.05 | Moustache | ok |
| 09:42.12 | Moustache | well thanks again |
| 09:42.12 | Moustache | bye |
| 09:42.44 | Littl3_indian | Hi everybody, I am trying to install 'dpkg' manually. I extracted files from 'dpkg_1.10.2.28.deb' using 'ar' |
| 09:43.01 | MatBoy | I get an error on package x11-common_1%3a7.0.20_i386.deb, the errorcode is (1) Is this an bad package or something ? |
| 09:44.31 | Littl3_indian | Then I copied the binaries to their locations. Now, when I try to install any package, I get following error : "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dkpg returned an error code (2)" |
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| 09:45.10 | Littl3_indian | can anyone help? |
| 09:45.18 | {xmb} | whats the actual error |
| 09:45.45 | {xmb} | cp -Rup dpkg_extracted/* / |
| 09:46.47 | MatBoy | {xmb}, I have forced the package, it was the same on ubuntu I saw through google |
| 09:47.11 | MatBoy | !beer me |
| 09:48.25 | Zapelius | I quess this nightly netinstaller fail's couse of a syntax error in some sript (read /var/log/syslog) |
| 09:48.55 | Zapelius | anyone here whom I should tell about it, or should I just get a working CD a few days earlier and let this be? |
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| 09:51.28 | Littl3_indian | {xmb}:tried cp -Rup dpkg/* / is there anything else to do? coz it's not working |
| 09:51.44 | cinix | :-) |
| 09:51.55 | {xmb} | try without -u |
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| 09:53.49 | Littl3_indian | still the same |
| 09:53.57 | {xmb} | dunno then |
| 09:54.10 | {xmb} | try strace dpkg ... 2>&1 | less |
| 09:54.16 | {xmb} | to see where the error appears |
| 09:54.32 | Zapelius | Anyone used the daily build etch net-install cd lately? like 2.6.06 - 4.6.06 to tell which one may work? |
| 09:55.20 | Zapelius | that would save me an hour or two for downloading the working full install cd and later compiling network drivers... |
| 09:55.39 | Littl3_indian | {xmb}:ok, trying... |
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| 09:56.55 | ktwilight | i have a problem with reconfiguring x-ttcidfont-conf, it spits out error "opendir: No such file or directory" and "Can't exec "/usr/bin/mkcfm": Too many levels of symbolic links at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/x-ttcidfont-conf.defoma line 791." does anyone know what the solution would be? i've searched extensively but found nothing. i think i'm missing a development tool, but i have no idea what that be. |
| 09:57.00 | ktwilight | anyone got a clue on it? |
| 10:01.05 | Littl3_indian | {xmb}:I've the output of the strace. http://pastebin.com/759357 |
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| 10:01.46 | solemnwarning-sc | Is there a bug in KDE that makes it break when trying to use an SSH tunnel? |
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| 10:04.15 | {xmb} | Littl3_indian: looks like /etc/dpkg is damaged |
| 10:04.41 | {xmb} | try mine, xmb.ath.cx/dpkg_etc.tgz |
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| 10:06.23 | solemnwarning-sc | Why does freenode seem so dead atm? |
| 10:07.42 | petemc | solemnwarning-sc: /topic |
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| 10:07.51 | petemc | probably a factor |
| 10:08.08 | Littl3_indian | {xmb}:ok, it's stil stuck |
| 10:08.12 | nomed | hi all |
| 10:08.30 | nomed | is there a doc about how to setup buildd ? |
| 10:08.43 | Littl3_indian | {xmb}:ur file didn't work either:( |
| 10:08.52 | solemnwarning-sc | >.< |
| 10:09.14 | {xmb} | k i dunno then |
| 10:09.41 | Littl3_indian | {xmb}:well, thanx anyways... |
| 10:09.44 | {xmb} | np |
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| 10:13.08 | MatBoy | after installing the Nvidia One-Liner I get an error that the Nvidia Module is missing. What am I forgetting ? |
| 10:13.48 | dunoun | i have a system which comes up with a desktop without any icon, not even the trash bin. something wrong somewhere? |
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| 10:14.41 | ledet | dunoun: no |
| 10:14.51 | ledet | dunoun: lots of window managers dont have icons |
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| 10:15.16 | ledet | dunoun: so it pretty much depends on you choice of window manager |
| 10:16.15 | ktwilight | MatBoy, did ya go through the nvidia official? |
| 10:16.15 | dunoun | ledet: i am using kdm. my other system in another partition comes up with icons. |
| 10:16.35 | MatBoy | ktwilight, nope, only the one-liner |
| 10:16.43 | ktwilight | what one-liner? |
| 10:16.54 | MatBoy | ktwilight, that should work this way |
| 10:16.55 | ledet | dunoun: kdm, yes.... but which window manager? kde? |
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| 10:17.08 | topa_ | anyone using the latest svn from sid ? |
| 10:17.11 | MatBoy | !tell ktwilight about nvidia one-liner |
| 10:17.17 | dunoun | ledet: kde it is. |
| 10:17.37 | ktwilight | oh~ that |
| 10:17.43 | MatBoy | ktwilight, indeed :) |
| 10:18.02 | MatBoy | because I run Etch, I have installed that one from Sid |
| 10:18.06 | ktwilight | did you get any error messages at all when ya installed? |
| 10:18.09 | ledet | dunoun: in that case, something is probably wrong... what did you do to it? |
| 10:18.30 | MatBoy | ktwilight, I had a problem with an x-deb-file, but I forced it and it was allright again |
| 10:18.43 | dunoun | ledet: nothing. |
| 10:18.53 | ktwilight | dunoun, ya sure you're not in console? |
| 10:19.22 | ktwilight | MatBoy, type lsmod | grep nvidia is it there? |
| 10:19.34 | dunoun | what do u mean? i am in kde, the background image is there. |
| 10:19.38 | ledet | dunoun: so it just stopped working all of a sudden? |
| 10:19.45 | ktwilight | just checking, haha |
| 10:19.58 | dunoun | ledet: no, new installation. |
| 10:20.20 | ledet | dunoun: ah... |
| 10:20.24 | Silent_al | hello, is it just me , or apt-get has changed in the last upgrades ? |
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| 10:20.41 | ktwilight | what do you mean changed? |
| 10:20.44 | ledet | dunoun: well, i dont know much about kde... perhaps they know more in #kde |
| 10:20.46 | Supaplex | Silent_al: don't you track bts? |
| 10:20.53 | dunoun | ledet: ah...so, do i miss something? |
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| 10:21.01 | MatBoy | ktwilight, nope, nothing there at the moment, I'm started with NV now |
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| 10:21.31 | ktwilight | MatBoy, try this "modprobe nvidia" and see if it works? |
| 10:21.46 | MatBoy | ktwilight, nothing |
| 10:21.47 | Silent_al | ktwilight , the way it prints its output |
| 10:21.47 | ktwilight | what's bts...? |
| 10:21.54 | Supaplex | !bts |
| 10:21.55 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 10:22.02 | ktwilight | i notice no difference then Silent_al |
| 10:22.12 | ledet | dunoun: i dont know... i dont even know if youre supposed to have icons with kde... i try to avoid kde... |
| 10:22.17 | ktwilight | oh thanks Supaplex :) |
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| 10:24.22 | MatBoy | ktwilight, what should I do ? install a module ? |
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| 10:26.09 | ktwilight | yea, you're missing one |
| 10:26.24 | dunoun | ledet: which is your windowmanager? |
| 10:26.25 | ktwilight | either the one-liner installation didn't go through to create a module, or you mistyped somewhere |
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| 10:33.06 | MatBoy | ktwilight, just do the onliner again ? |
| 10:33.19 | shaibn | hi :) is there a way to tell the netinstaller to *not* format the partition that I want to use as the / root partition? |
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| 10:34.05 | ktwilight | hmm...i doubt that helps... |
| 10:34.07 | shaibn | i want to pre-format this partition as a raid partition and then have netinstaller just install on the XFS raid partition ... |
| 10:34.08 | petemc | shaibn: sure, there is a do not touch option |
| 10:34.16 | ktwilight | ya should read the logs of the installatino. maybe that helps. |
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| 10:34.29 | shaibn | petemc, ok ... i'll check :) |
| 10:34.49 | ktwilight | has anyone got a problem with configuring x-ttcidfont-conf? |
| 10:34.56 | ktwilight | am having a hard time with it :/ |
| 10:35.44 | MatBoy | ktwilight, was missing nvidia-glx ;) |
| 10:35.57 | MatBoy | ktwilight, I needed a distupgrade yesterday |
| 10:36.02 | ktwilight | ... |
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| 10:36.13 | ktwilight | so you were missin' something then... |
| 10:36.38 | ktwilight | don't think there's nvidia-glx in xorg7 btw |
| 10:37.18 | ktwilight | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 that should help |
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| 10:40.39 | MatBoy | ktwilight, I'm going to reboot, cu in some minutes ! |
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| 10:41.38 | ktwilight | latez |
| 10:42.10 | shaibn | petemc, i see that it found the partition i made as a raid partition and it says "physical volume for RAID" but it won't let me use it as my / root ... any ideas? |
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| 11:02.56 | MatBoy | ktwilight, Hi ! I searched for you ! |
| 11:02.59 | MatBoy | It works great !! |
| 11:03.02 | MatBoy | really great !! |
| 11:03.51 | MatBoy | much less CPU-usage with Xinerama ! |
| 11:04.13 | ktwilight | ... |
| 11:04.21 | MatBoy | ? |
| 11:04.24 | ktwilight | how did ya get it working? |
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| 11:04.52 | MatBoy | ktwilight, just reinstall the oneline that installed the nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings |
| 11:05.00 | ktwilight | o |
| 11:05.23 | MatBoy | ktwilight, so If you have a problem with it, I can directly tell you how to use it :) |
| 11:05.27 | ktwilight | that's weird. 'cuz there was no nvidia-glx package for me at all... :/ |
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| 11:05.37 | ktwilight | i had to install using the official drivers from nvidia.com |
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| 11:05.44 | ktwilight | that worked for me :/ |
| 11:05.52 | cds | Debian newbie question here.. the install didn't install X. |
| 11:05.56 | cds | How do I install it? |
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| 11:06.05 | Supaplex | !setup x |
| 11:06.05 | dpkg | set up x is probably First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 11:06.12 | MatBoy | ktwilight, also not in SID ? |
| 11:06.19 | cds | Supaplex: Thanks. |
| 11:06.21 | ktwilight | oh, am using etch. you'reusing sid? |
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| 11:06.39 | MatBoy | ktwilight, no I used SID only for the onliner in my sources |
| 11:06.41 | Supaplex | don't use the nvidia installer. /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 11:06.49 | ktwilight | oh |
| 11:06.55 | ktwilight | great...now i'm told not to use nvidia... :/ |
| 11:07.14 | Supaplex | use debian's |
| 11:07.24 | MatBoy | ktwilight, huh ? |
| 11:07.51 | MatBoy | Only my nvidia-manager is closing when I click on openGL in a Xinerama-setup |
| 11:08.22 | ktwilight | hmm... |
| 11:08.55 | ktwilight | nvidia installer can be a problem when there's kernel upgrade, etc. pretty much the same for the debian way too no? ya still have to m-a prepare m-a a-i nvidia, etc... |
| 11:08.59 | MatBoy | ktwilight, and my secornd card is not displayed anymore in the nvidia server manager |
| 11:09.11 | ktwilight | ouch |
| 11:09.44 | MatBoy | ktwilight, just disupgrade your system, add sid in your sources and use the onliner. Reboot and you are done |
| 11:09.52 | MatBoy | ktwilight, not ouch, it works OK |
| 11:10.07 | Supaplex | it beats doing it by hand. |
| 11:10.18 | ktwilight | but since "many people prefer" use hte nvidia installer...can't go wrong...i think... |
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| 11:10.48 | ktwilight | well..it is a pain to close X, do this and do that, then do that then boot. *shrugs* |
| 11:11.01 | ktwilight | i won't get into sid... :/ it's not gonna work for me. |
| 11:11.12 | MatBoy | ktwilight, I'm using it only for nvidia |
| 11:11.12 | ktwilight | not saying sid is bad, but it's not good for what i need to do with my pc |
| 11:11.15 | MatBoy | works perfect |
| 11:11.20 | ktwilight | nah...will skip that... :/ |
| 11:11.28 | cds | Which is stable nowadays? |
| 11:11.29 | ktwilight | i've enough hassle with other confs *shrugs* |
| 11:11.35 | cds | Sarge? |
| 11:11.36 | ktwilight | cds, sarge |
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| 11:11.44 | cds | sid is testing? |
| 11:11.48 | ktwilight | sid is unstable |
| 11:11.50 | ktwilight | etch is testing |
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| 11:12.00 | cds | Aha, right. Cheers. |
| 11:12.01 | ktwilight | i'm guessing none of you have problems with x-ttcidfont-conf? |
| 11:12.08 | ktwilight | np |
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| 11:12.49 | cds | OK, I've done the command from dpkg for installing x. |
| 11:12.56 | cds | startx still saying commmand not found? |
| 11:13.31 | MatBoy | cds, for the nvidia driver > |
| 11:15.07 | Cephexin | startx : starting the X Windows ? but i must be worked almost on any debian os |
| 11:15.28 | cds | ? |
| 11:16.12 | h|barbobot | that wasnt a question... |
| 11:16.13 | ktwilight | cds, you must be missin some important packages... :/ |
| 11:16.20 | ktwilight | try wiki.debian.org maybe there's a howto doc |
| 11:16.25 | ktwilight | lunch time :) |
| 11:17.37 | cds | Ah, I needed x-windows-system, I think.. |
| 11:18.59 | MatBoy | cds, I think you will :) |
| 11:19.41 | cds | I wrongfully asumed it was installed :p |
| 11:20.01 | cds | Can't you tell I've never installed debian on a desktop before? :) |
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| 11:21.20 | Silent_al | um,,, now that xorg7 is in etch, how do i install the nvidia driver |
| 11:21.21 | Silent_al | ? |
| 11:22.11 | cds | Aha, that did it. |
| 11:22.22 | GoAuLd | Silent_al, ./NVIDIA* --x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules/ |
| 11:22.55 | GoAuLd | asuming u are installing de nvidia.com package |
| 11:23.13 | cds | Hmm... I wonder if I accidentally installed an empty installation.. |
| 11:23.28 | Silent_al | GoAuLd, alrighty :) thanx |
| 11:23.53 | GoAuLd | cds, then Xorg would told you No screens found |
| 11:24.30 | cds | I got X working.. no desktop I think.. |
| 11:24.52 | cds | What's twm? |
| 11:25.11 | GoAuLd | The Window Manager |
| 11:25.19 | cds | Hm, ok.. |
| 11:25.31 | cds | can I just apt-get install icewm now, then? |
| 11:25.40 | GoAuLd | yes |
| 11:26.21 | cds | How do I get that to start on bootup? |
| 11:26.40 | cds | Or is it automagic? |
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| 11:27.00 | cds | Ah, it's automagic. |
| 11:27.08 | GoAuLd | in the grafical login manager *gdm or kdm, |
| 11:27.19 | GoAuLd | you choose what to start, kde, gnome icewm.. |
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| 11:28.33 | cds | Hm. Where's the equivalent to xorg.conf? |
| 11:28.37 | cds | (Sorry for the many questions..) |
| 11:28.45 | the_rock | equivalent? |
| 11:29.15 | cds | In Xfree. |
| 11:29.23 | the_rock | you using ubuntu? |
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| 11:29.32 | cds | Nope, Debian. |
| 11:29.35 | cds | Sarge. |
| 11:29.37 | the_rock | x.cong |
| 11:29.49 | the_rock | !tell cds about X |
| 11:30.32 | cds | That was babelfish :p |
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| 11:40.48 | cds | Hmm. |
| 11:41.46 | cds | When trying to install firefox: |
| 11:41.52 | cds | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
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| 11:42.01 | cds | Ideas what's going on? |
| 11:42.42 | sussudio | bunnies? |
| 11:42.51 | MatBoy | Does the DualCore CPU gives some good performance on Debian ? |
| 11:42.53 | cds | Huh? |
| 11:43.02 | sussudio | !tell cds about bunnies |
| 11:43.07 | shaibn | i've created, using knoppix, a raid1 using mdadm. now i'm using netinstaller to install and it recognized the raid partition but it won't let me make it the / root ... how can I do this? |
| 11:43.20 | cds | Heh. |
| 11:43.28 | sussudio | MatBoy: what answer do you expect? |
| 11:43.28 | cds | I don't think they're breaking firefox ;) |
| 11:43.32 | blondie | shaibn you didnt need to use knoppix |
| 11:43.47 | MatBoy | sussudio, I think nog, because that was what I read bofore here |
| 11:43.51 | MatBoy | nog=not |
| 11:44.04 | adggg | does anyone know where you can get good presets for a newbie firewall installation for Firestarter?? |
| 11:44.09 | shaibn | blondie, just the same .. how can I this partition be the / root ? |
| 11:44.20 | sussudio | MatBoy: you know debian gnu/linux = gnu tools + linux, right? |
| 11:44.52 | MatBoy | sussudio, what do you mean with it ? |
| 11:45.09 | sussudio | MatBoy: the linux kernel is common to all distributions. |
| 11:45.35 | MatBoy | sussudio, yes, so, I can ask in kernel.org... but what is the difference ? |
| 11:45.59 | sussudio | MatBoy: there is none. |
| 11:46.15 | cds | Gah, ok, my font is really blocky.. |
| 11:46.20 | MatBoy | sussudio, so than... share your experience than :) |
| 11:46.29 | sussudio | ... |
| 11:46.33 | shaibn | blondie, any idea? |
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| 11:47.07 | blondie | shaibn: why doesnt it let you pick it as / ? |
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| 11:47.29 | sussudio | MatBoy: let's just say that dual core isn't going to give you twice the speed, on any operating system. |
| 11:47.37 | adggg | anyone? |
| 11:48.02 | shaibn | it says "Use as: physical volume for RAID" ... and there is no option to have it mounted at / root ... |
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| 11:48.15 | chamo | hello |
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| 11:48.26 | MatBoy | sussudio, no indeed, that are my thoughts also, but what should be the advantage off it under Linux ? Or just get a HT with 2MB cache ? |
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| 11:48.49 | shaibn | blondie, I have 3 partitions on this disk, 1 swap, 1 ext3 for /boot and the 3rd is a raid1 with 1 disk missing formatted to xfs. |
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| 11:49.16 | blondie | yes |
| 11:49.17 | sussudio | !tell MatBoy about smp |
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| 11:49.27 | shaibn | blondie, it says "Use as: physical volume for RAID" ... and there is no option to have it mounted at / root ... |
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| 11:50.02 | blondie | shaibn: oh, that's the wrong place to choose |
| 11:50.07 | BreiteSeite | Hi... can anyone tell me... how can i find out the version of a sqlite.so - file? :) |
| 11:50.14 | shaibn | blondie, what do you mean? |
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| 11:50.17 | MatBoy | sussudio, yes, I know that... but it should be faster... you don;t have to wait anymore for more processes |
| 11:50.26 | tarzeau | any fltk guys here? i can't build dillo 0.8.6 |
| 11:50.46 | sussudio | MatBoy: not really. you can assign processes to a specific core, that's about it. |
| 11:50.47 | blondie | shaibn: I'd say it wasn't detecting the RAID device |
| 11:51.02 | blondie | shaibn: or, you need to tell it not to use for any of that |
| 11:51.05 | MatBoy | sussudio, so nothing directly nice for a workstation |
| 11:51.15 | shaibn | blondie, i don't follow you ... |
| 11:51.17 | sussudio | MatBoy: nope |
| 11:51.47 | MatBoy | sussudio, but when you compare it to something that you run vmware on your linux system for windows ? |
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| 11:52.03 | MatBoy | sussudio, than it can be a advanatge maybe |
| 11:52.04 | blondie | shaibn: those options are for that one disk; not what you want to use the raid partition for |
| 11:52.13 | blondie | they're what you want to use that disk for |
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| 11:52.58 | shaibn | blondie, again, i'm not sure i understand what you mean ... :\ |
| 11:52.59 | chamo | I need some help to reinstall a package named "xorg-driver-fglrx" that is corrupted |
| 11:53.13 | blondie | shaibn: that menu is about disks, not about RAIDs |
| 11:53.27 | adggg | firestarter |
| 11:53.41 | chamo | I got a "dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to" that I cant resolve.... |
| 11:53.43 | chamo | any idea ? |
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| 11:53.52 | blondie | shaibn: it's the "partition a disk" menu which you dont want |
| 11:54.18 | shaibn | but there is no other way to move forward ... |
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| 11:55.10 | shaibn | blondie, I *need* to use this menu to pick the root / file system ... |
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| 11:55.24 | shaibn | which I want to be the raid device/partition .. but it won't let me choose it as that ... |
| 11:55.58 | BreiteSeite | Hi... can anyone tell me... how can i find out the version of a sqlite.so - file? :-) thx |
| 11:56.00 | chamo | :/ |
| 11:56.04 | blondie | shaibn: I don't think so |
| 11:57.45 | blondie | shaibn: then menu you're describing isn't the right one. |
| 11:58.59 | BreiteSeite | how i extract a .gz file? :) tar..??? |
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| 11:59.09 | blondie | BreiteSeite: no, gunzip |
| 11:59.10 | blondie | not tar |
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| 11:59.15 | adggg | man, as a newbie I am lost with Debian |
| 11:59.18 | BreiteSeite | thx :-) |
| 11:59.21 | blondie | or is it a .tar.gz file? |
| 11:59.22 | BreiteSeite | great support :) |
| 11:59.27 | BreiteSeite | no... only .gz |
| 11:59.33 | blondie | ok, just gunzip |
| 11:59.34 | adggg | can anyone recommend any good sites for beginner's?? |
| 11:59.59 | blondie | beginner's what? |
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| 12:01.43 | BreiteSeite | yes beginner.. blondie :) |
| 12:01.44 | adggg | hey blondie: right now I'm just struggling to find a simple presets for Firestarter |
| 12:02.13 | adggg | But everything is a struggle as I can't find much easy to understand documentation |
| 12:02.20 | adggg | anything you recommend??? |
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| 12:11.33 | kyncani | adggg: you will find firestarter documentation on firestarter's site |
| 12:11.52 | kyncani | mmh, little late i'd say |
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| 12:13.50 | xmb | whats this bug about xorg and brithness in games, very dark and cant change |
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| 12:17.55 | adggg | kyncadi: I've been reading firestarter documentation all morning. I'm looking for basic presets for a newbie. |
| 12:18.14 | adggg | kyncani: thanks for the suggestion, though. |
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| 12:19.35 | cds | Can anyone give me the fstab options if I want user cds to have rm on vfat? |
| 12:19.52 | mox | adggg: did you install sucessfully? |
| 12:20.05 | lastnode | cds, rw,umask=000 ? |
| 12:20.29 | cds | lastnode: Want that make it non-readable? |
| 12:20.50 | lastnode | rw = read write, umask=000 says any user? |
| 12:20.51 | lastnode | iirc |
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| 12:20.54 | cds | Oh, nope. |
| 12:20.57 | cds | Ah, ok.. |
| 12:21.10 | cds | How would I make it user cds only? |
| 12:21.21 | lastnode | cds? |
| 12:21.22 | cds | Not a problem if I can't, I'm the only user on this box.. |
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| 12:21.45 | cds | Only this user can read/write the mount. |
| 12:22.35 | [bsd] | hi, friends! |
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| 12:23.04 | mox | adggg: hi! install ok? |
| 12:23.20 | cds | Ah, nevermind. |
| 12:23.22 | cds | Thanks. |
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| 12:24.05 | BreiteSeite | new bsd version? |
| 12:24.08 | [bsd] | is still buggy, leaves a lot crap in the dir |
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| 12:26.15 | stoned | good morning |
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| 12:27.11 | [bsd] | stoned: gm, but it is 5.56 PM here in India |
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| 12:31.58 | ehsan | salam saeed |
| 12:32.41 | Cephexin | salam haji ! |
| 12:33.20 | ehsan | dastet dard nakone |
| 12:33.30 | Cephexin | kooft ! =)) |
| 12:33.30 | Cephexin | :P |
| 12:33.38 | ehsan | ee chera kooft |
| 12:33.54 | Cephexin | hamin joory baraye sargarmi ! :D |
| 12:33.58 | GoAuLd | fucking Ala |
| 12:34.08 | Cephexin | haji hameye chizaey ke dar morede Debian to mibini |
| 12:34.08 | blondie | piss off spammers |
| 12:34.12 | Cephexin | hamash az inja ab mikhore |
| 12:34.20 | Cephexin | inja yeki az haste haye aslieh Debian hast |
| 12:34.25 | Cephexin | kholase age ye irani mano inja bebine |
| 12:34.26 | blondie | !english |
| 12:34.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 12:34.31 | Cephexin | aberoom mire too ghooti ke daram injoorysohbat mikonam ! ;) |
| 12:34.36 | adggg | do I need antivirus program with debian? And if so, which one should I get? |
| 12:34.36 | Cephexin | aha ! |
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| 12:34.50 | Cephexin | Antivirus ? |
| 12:34.58 | Cephexin | but why do you need it ? |
| 12:34.59 | Ronin | adggg: not really no you dont |
| 12:35.08 | adggg | I really don't need it? |
| 12:35.13 | Tassium | adggg: Depends on what you're doing with your debian box. A mail server, for instance, can benefit from scanning the incoming mail. |
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| 12:35.23 | stoned | off to work |
| 12:35.31 | Cephexin | you need it ! but need some configuration too ! |
| 12:35.36 | cds | When trying to check mail in kmail, I get this: |
| 12:35.39 | cds | "Could not start process for newimap" |
| 12:35.40 | [bsd] | adggg: No, nope |
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| 12:35.43 | cds | Anyone any clues what that means? |
| 12:35.46 | Cephexin | it has some differences with the normal and lame AVes in the windows boxes |
| 12:36.14 | adggg | bsd: for incoming files, maybe they should be scanned??? |
| 12:36.17 | Tassium | adggg: I use clamav with amavis-new and postfix to scan my incoming mail, works like a charm. |
| 12:36.55 | adggg | Tassium: three different services? Isn't there one that does it all? |
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| 12:37.28 | Tassium | adggg: clamav is the antivirus, postfix is the mail server, and amavis-new is the glue between the two. |
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| 12:38.54 | mox | adggg: you don't need it.. |
| 12:39.17 | adggg | mox: not even for incoming files?? |
| 12:39.31 | mox | Tassium: youre doing all of that on youre desktop |
| 12:39.39 | Tassium | mox: Excuse me? |
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| 12:39.58 | mox | adggg: viruses are for windows, can not be exec in linux |
| 12:40.23 | mox | Tassium; clam+amis+postfix for desktop system? |
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| 12:40.39 | Tassium | mox: No, for my frickin' server. I don't run a mail server on a desktop workstation. |
| 12:40.41 | adggg | mox: I have NOD32 running on my other partition, do I let it do all the work for me??? |
| 12:40.54 | Shadowcat | wtf |
| 12:40.56 | blondie | where in the evil mess of exim4 config files should I specify the name sent with "HELO"? |
| 12:41.03 | Shadowcat | you don't seem to understand the concept adggg |
| 12:41.09 | Shadowcat | a windows virus will NOT execute in linux |
| 12:41.16 | mox | Tassium: i though that, i think adggg is talking about a desktop |
| 12:41.21 | Shadowcat | it doesn't matter if you forcibly ./execute it |
| 12:41.22 | Shadowcat | it won't work |
| 12:41.39 | Tassium | mox: He didn't say either way, which is why I gave him a conditional "depends on your needs" answer, rather than a blanket "you don't need it" |
| 12:41.40 | mox | adggg: nod32 can scan windows, that should be enough |
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| 12:42.08 | mox | Tassium: sorry, i just saw youre post with specs... |
| 12:42.21 | adggg | Shadowcat: I get that, the problem is that I can download unscanned files via Linux |
| 12:42.22 | mox | Tassium:that is why i asked |
| 12:42.24 | lucio | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 12:42.50 | Shadowcat | adggg: and that is a problem how? |
| 12:42.52 | lucio | where do I find the pub key of the debian-multimedia.org repository? |
| 12:42.58 | adggg | which can infect my windoze XP partition when I boot up XP |
| 12:42.59 | Shadowcat | windows viruses will not execute in linux |
| 12:43.01 | mox | adggg: you want to share files between debain and xp |
| 12:43.11 | Shadowcat | adggg: no that's NOT how it works |
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| 12:43.21 | mox | adggg: download files with linux, but before you exec on xp, scan them |
| 12:43.35 | adggg | mox: yes, that makes sense |
| 12:43.38 | Shadowcat | how the hell can a file execute itself when you boot another os? |
| 12:43.42 | cds | Anyone know what "Could not start process for newimap" in kmail means? |
| 12:43.50 | Shadowcat | as long as you don't physically execute the bloody thing you'd be fine |
| 12:43.55 | mox | shadowcat: it cant |
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| 12:44.18 | adggg | ShadowC: stupider things have happened |
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| 12:45.16 | adggg | mox: on the subject of security, I installed Firestarter, is it already secure enough out of the box, or do I need to find some preset configs somewhere?? |
| 12:45.54 | bvs | !tell lucio about apt-key 1F41B907 |
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| 12:46.57 | Franky6 | hi, there's a way to upgrade kopete from 0.11 to 0.12 ? |
| 12:47.07 | Franky6 | (i've an issue with webcam though) |
| 12:47.19 | Ronin | Franky6: backports? compile? wait for it |
| 12:47.31 | Franky6 | back has 0.11 |
| 12:47.33 | mox | adggg:i think it's ok out of the box, never check it througly..i use iptables firewall script |
| 12:47.54 | Franky6 | compile : i dunno how ;) wait i can ... but i've a problem with webcam i would like to fx asap |
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| 12:48.00 | mox | adggg: firestarter should be ok |
| 12:48.07 | adggg | mox: thanks |
| 12:48.30 | phyrster_ | how to find the servers for newgroups? for example I want to read alt.politics |
| 12:48.34 | mox | adggg: glad to see that you installed debian ok |
| 12:48.35 | Franky6 | that is: in config webcam works fine, using webcam from c. menu returns noimage received |
| 12:48.39 | phyrster_ | but where to find the server address? |
| 12:48.40 | adggg | can you recommend a place to scan my ports and check??? |
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| 12:49.08 | mox | adggg: sorry, don't know any |
| 12:49.22 | adggg | mox: YES! Debian -- my first linux -- installed!! What a feeling!!!! |
| 12:49.35 | phyrster_ | adggg: that's indeed impressive. |
| 12:49.37 | adggg | man this OS is great |
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| 12:49.46 | mox | adggg: first one, and the best choice:) |
| 12:50.02 | mox | adggg: glad to hear it:) |
| 12:50.16 | adggg | phryster: even more impressive when you look back at the stupid questions I ask! ;^) |
| 12:50.29 | adggg | I got some great help, though. (thanks, mox) |
| 12:50.51 | mox | adggg: not stupid, no question is stupid..only answers can be |
| 12:50.59 | mox | adggg: you're welcome! |
| 12:51.18 | mox | adggg: hope to see you in here again, where are you from? |
| 12:51.29 | adggg | mox: yeah, but maybe you shouldn't encourage me so much.... :D |
| 12:51.46 | mox | adggg: now you can help somebody else:) |
| 12:52.06 | adggg | mox: I'll be glad to share whatever I learned |
| 12:52.20 | mox | adggg: that's the spirit:) |
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| 12:52.32 | adggg | mox: for example, etch is way better than sarge for netinst. Sarge really sucked IMO. |
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| 12:53.01 | Shadowcat | personally I think that anyone who relies on an app for security shouldn't be let near a computer |
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| 12:53.17 | mox | adggg: sarge is now a year old, which is a lot in linux world...it's the best one for servers |
| 12:53.36 | adggg | Shadowcat: RESPECT |
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| 12:53.55 | tuxplorer | I need to know the control files needed for debian.. |
| 12:54.15 | Shadowcat | tuxplorer: then go read the debian reference / debian policy |
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| 12:54.19 | tuxplorer | give me some links |
| 12:54.26 | tuxplorer | k |
| 12:54.29 | Ronin | tuxplorer: www.debian.org |
| 12:55.26 | shaibn | hi :) the kernel i get when using the sarge netinstaller is 2.6.8 and I want to update it... can I do this via apt-get install ? cuz when I use apt-cache search I can't see a 2.6.16 kernel ... |
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| 12:56.08 | Shadowcat | shaibn: why do you need a 2.6.16 kernel? |
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| 12:56.19 | adggg | amsterdam and berlin, where are you from? |
| 12:56.27 | Tassium | shaibn: Yep. apt-cache search kernel-image-2 |
| 12:56.31 | tuxplorer | Ronin: where is the policy page there? |
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| 12:56.43 | mox | adggg: i'm from bosnia but am logging in from cologne.. |
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| 12:56.56 | Tassium | shaibn: (You may need to add unstable to your /etc/apt/sources.list first, followed by apt-get update) |
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| 12:57.02 | Shadowcat | Tassium: be quiet |
| 12:57.08 | Shadowcat | stop telling people to upgrade to unstable |
| 12:57.32 | shaibn | Tassium, is this kernel considered an unstable kernel? |
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| 12:57.53 | adggg | mox: I've heard BH is a beautiful place, just watch out for the minefields.... I plan to go there someday. |
| 12:57.57 | Shadowcat | shaibn: again, why do you need 2.6.16? |
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| 12:58.07 | Tassium | Shadowcat: I didn't tell him to upgrade to unstable. |
| 12:58.19 | mox | adggg: it is...and minefields are marked:))) |
| 12:58.22 | shaibn | Shadowcat, i just do ... |
| 12:58.30 | Gnea | Tassium: er, yes you did. |
| 12:58.47 | Gnea | Tassium: and that's not the proper way to put 2.6.16 on a sarge installation. |
| 12:59.18 | adggg | mox: most beautiful places were mined? :( |
| 12:59.23 | Tassium | Gnea: I said he MAY have to add unstable to his sources list to be able to install a 2.6 kernel with apt. That's not the same as upgrading to unstable. |
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| 12:59.33 | adggg | what the apt get command for java runtime? |
| 12:59.41 | Tassium | And as it turns out, I see 2.6 kernels in stable anyway, so the point is moot. |
| 12:59.44 | Shadowcat | Tassium: yes that's the definition of upgrading to unstable |
| 12:59.51 | mox | adggg: no wories, we're almost mines free |
| 13:00.09 | mox | adggg: put non-free repo in sources.list and then look for sun |
| 13:00.32 | adggg | mox: what means non-free repo? |
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| 13:00.51 | mox | adggg: i was in bosnia during the war and later, never saw a mine field |
| 13:00.58 | Gnea | Tassium: you are still incorrect. the 2.6 kernel in sarge is only up to 2.6.8. he is obviously looking for more functionality and stability. backports would provide what he is looking for. |
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| 13:01.03 | Gnea | !backports |
| 13:01.04 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 13:01.20 | Tassium | Gnea: Oh, obviously. |
| 13:01.29 | Gnea | Tassium: but that's okay. :) |
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| 13:01.34 | mox | adggg: non-free contains packages like sun-java that are not free and not compatible to debain licence |
| 13:01.38 | Shadowcat | instead of telling people to add unstable to the sources |
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| 13:01.59 | Gnea | yes, that creates more problems than it solves |
| 13:02.05 | Tassium | You don't learn anything running stable all the time ;) |
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| 13:02.23 | Shadowcat | Tassium: ok then, then YOU take care of all the people asking stupid questions about unstable |
| 13:02.24 | Shadowcat | see how long you last |
| 13:02.30 | Ronin | Tassium: on teh contrary |
| 13:02.32 | Shadowcat | I for one don't want to be here cleaning up your mess |
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| 13:02.49 | Tassium | Shadowcat: My god man, relax, will you? |
| 13:02.54 | Gnea | !beer Shadowcat |
| 13:02.59 | Tassium | Shadowcat: You are wound WAY too tight |
| 13:03.11 | Gnea | Tassium: no he's not. |
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| 13:03.21 | owg | how can I resize my ext3 partition? |
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| 13:03.25 | Tassium | Do I really need to explain what the ;) means at the end of my statement? |
| 13:03.30 | owg | I tried with qtparted, but it can't resize it |
| 13:03.41 | Gnea | Tassium: you may need to. check out backports.org in the meantime. |
| 13:03.41 | Tassium | owg: You can use resize2fs, but it has to be unmounted at the time |
| 13:03.59 | owg | Tassium, is resize2fs on the knoppix CD? |
| 13:04.09 | Tassium | owg: *shrug* I don't know. |
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| 13:04.26 | Shadowcat | Tassium: for every person that people tell casually to upgrade to unstable we get at least unecessary questions an hour |
| 13:04.30 | Gnea | !googleit |
| 13:04.33 | dpkg | methinks googleit is #debian is not your search engine. |
| 13:04.34 | Shadowcat | which is time better spent at fixing bugs in unstable |
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| 13:04.44 | Shadowcat | or do you want the packages to remain in there perpetually? |
| 13:04.44 | Tassium | Shadowcat: Jesus Christ, all right, I get it already. |
| 13:04.55 | owg | Tassium, I tried with qtparted, 1. I removed the journal, then tried to resize, but it didn't see the free space |
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| 13:05.05 | owg | I wanted to resize /dev/hda2, and the free space is /dev/hda1-1 |
| 13:05.17 | owg | so why it couldn't resize and use the /dev/hda1-1 |
| 13:05.24 | adggg | !beer everyone |
| 13:05.32 | Gnea | owg: that's a separation of filesystem from partition |
| 13:05.33 | jelly-ho | owg: you might want to ask #parted |
| 13:05.33 | Tassium | owg: Sorry, I'm not familiar with qtparted.. Did you get any error messages? |
| 13:05.37 | adggg | !beer everyone |
| 13:05.50 | adggg | !beer everyone |
| 13:05.51 | mox | adggg: thanx |
| 13:05.59 | owg | Gnea, yes they are separated |
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| 13:06.07 | ricky_clarkson | Got any Wychwood beers there, dpkg? |
| 13:06.10 | owg | Gnea, however partition magic can do this |
| 13:06.18 | owg | Gnea, qtparted and resize2fs not? |
| 13:06.43 | Gnea | owg: you'd need to increase the partition size first, then increase the filesystem, while being careful not to subtract sectors from the current hda2 and being sure that sectors from hda1 are being added into non-used space of hda2 |
| 13:06.56 | Tassium | owg: You *are* trying to expand the filesystem, not shrink it right? |
| 13:06.58 | Gnea | owg: yeah, PM is pretty good at that |
| 13:07.03 | owg | Tassium, yes |
| 13:07.06 | _ThePiratemaster | (tomorrow |
| 13:07.07 | _ThePiratemaster | ) |
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| 13:07.24 | deejoe | so long as you're not going to be 66 that's ok. |
| 13:07.30 | Gnea | owg: yeah, you might wanna check out #parted, they would know a bit better |
| 13:07.32 | ricky_clarkson | Downloading ISOs over a wireless is 'great fun'. |
| 13:07.32 | owg | Gnea, I don't understand you, can you be more specific please? |
| 13:07.33 | cahoot | _ThePiratemaster: not Björn Borg by chance? |
| 13:07.45 | owg | Gnea, /dev/hda1-1 is my free space partition |
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| 13:08.01 | owg | Gnea, and I want to extend /dev/hda2 and to take the space from /dev/hda1-1 |
| 13:08.02 | owg | is that possible? |
| 13:08.07 | Gnea | owg: but hda1-1 is not a valid partition, but hda1 and hda11 are. |
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| 13:08.27 | Tassium | owg: Is that using LVM? |
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| 13:08.52 | owg | Gnea, well, I shrinked the windows partition (/dev/hda1) and that's what I got (*something like /dev/hda1-1) |
| 13:09.02 | owg | Tassium, what's lvm? |
| 13:09.05 | Gnea | owg: it is, but you're talking about taking the cylinders from a partition at the beginning of the disk and joining it to the front of another partition. |
| 13:09.09 | Gnea | !lvm |
| 13:09.09 | dpkg | methinks lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 13:09.16 | Tassium | owg: Never mind, I thought maybe you were using LVM with the odd device name you have |
| 13:09.50 | Gnea | owg: were you able to shrink the windows filesystem before shrinking the partition itself? |
| 13:10.35 | owg | Gnea, I just shrinked /dev/hda1 (windows partition) |
| 13:10.39 | owg | how else could I shrink it? |
| 13:10.43 | Franky6 | ./configure (with kopete) returns checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. how do i fix this ? |
| 13:10.52 | Gnea | owg: heh, does windows still work fine now? |
| 13:10.58 | jelly-ho | Gnea: parted does both fs and partition resize. |
| 13:11.10 | Gnea | jelly-ho: roger that |
| 13:11.24 | shaibn | Gnea, so I'm looking for "backports"? |
| 13:11.32 | Gnea | !backports |
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| 13:11.33 | dpkg | somebody said backports was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 13:11.54 | shaibn | i saw that the first time you said it :) |
| 13:12.02 | Franky6 | installed x-dev and it says configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. ? what's this ? |
| 13:12.02 | Gnea | shaibn: yeah, they have newer kernel packages (see linux-image and linux-source) up there for sarge |
| 13:12.02 | shaibn | I'm just trying to understand what that means ... |
| 13:12.05 | jelly-ho | ... ntfsresize (which parted execs) works surprisingly well. I'm thinking on using it on a production 2003 server. |
| 13:12.10 | owg | Gnea, yeah its fine |
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| 13:13.02 | Tassium | Franky6: Are you using debian source packages for kopete? |
| 13:13.16 | Franky6 | yes |
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| 13:13.35 | Gnea | owg: ok, then i'm not sure about how to adjoin what's there. i haven't done that in a long time, and it was before parted came along. |
| 13:13.51 | Tassium | Franky6: Then you should be able to do something like 'apt-get build-dep kopete' and install what you need. (Try using apt-get -s build-dep kopete first to simulate & see what will happen) |
| 13:14.05 | owg | Gnea, well if Partition magic is able to do that, why is linux not able? |
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| 13:14.36 | jelly-ho | owg: parted is not linux. |
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| 13:14.40 | ricky_clarkson | I forgot to bring my bloody Sarge ISO, so I'm downloading another copy of it in Windows - Can I set apt up to read that directly, or should I 'extract' it somehow? |
| 13:14.43 | Franky6 | can't run that cmd it says it will remove xfree86-common |
| 13:14.51 | Franky6 | if i do |
| 13:14.56 | owg | parted is not linux, but linux is linux |
| 13:15.24 | DerJamster | owg: Partition Magic is not windows. Why can't Windows do that? |
| 13:15.29 | Tassium | Franky6: Are you mixing distributions? (stable/testing, stable/unstable, etc?) |
| 13:15.40 | Franky6 | mmm no |
| 13:15.42 | shaibn | Gnea, so I need to use the unstable/testing to download the package and then "compile" it for my own current stable dist installed? |
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| 13:16.11 | owg | DerJamster, because there is partition magic for windows |
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| 13:18.38 | DerJamster | owg: Try Parted. Perhaps it can do what you want. |
| 13:18.54 | owg | DerJamster, I did, it can't |
| 13:18.55 | Tassium | owg: And make sure you've got a backup of anything important. |
| 13:19.09 | owg | yeh right |
| 13:19.15 | jelly-ho | owg: what seems to be the problem? If you have PqMagic and it works, just use it. |
| 13:19.23 | owg | i dont have |
| 13:19.23 | adggg | do I need to add this line to my sources.list?? "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free" |
| 13:19.28 | DerJamster | owg: Then the answer to you question would be ''linux' can't do it because nobody programmed the app yet'. |
| 13:19.28 | adggg | ??? |
| 13:19.32 | Tassium | adggg: To do what? |
| 13:19.41 | adggg | I at least want to get JRE |
| 13:20.01 | DerJamster | adggg: if you want to use unstable/SID, and use contributed and non-free packages as well..yes, that's what you want. |
| 13:20.06 | Tassium | adggg: You're almost certainly using stable, not unstable. So go with the stable non-free repository. |
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| 13:20.37 | Franky6 | where i can get libXext for debian ? |
| 13:21.11 | adggg | Tassium: no, I'm not using stable, I've got etch, stable didn't netinst for me |
| 13:21.23 | jelly-ho | owg: well, then ask the authors of the free app. about the problem. Also, there are known bugs in parted, and some of them might have been fixed in the development version. |
| 13:21.26 | Tassium | Franky6: apt-get install libxext6, I believe. (apt-cache search libxext) |
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| 13:21.56 | peg | what is the best way to tell if you have a dead drive |
| 13:22.20 | Tassium | peg: Plug it in, boot the machine, see if the drive spins & the BIOS finds it. |
| 13:22.21 | Franky6 | returns libxext6 is already the newest version. |
| 13:22.28 | adggg | if you hack it into two pieces, it will surely be dead |
| 13:22.35 | Franky6 | but compiling kopete it's says libXext is not present |
| 13:22.38 | concept10 | many apps have rc files, such as .vimrc.. what does the rc mean? |
| 13:22.40 | Franky6 | what's this ? |
| 13:22.44 | Tassium | Franky6: Add the libxext6-dev package |
| 13:22.50 | adggg | not sure if that's the best way though |
| 13:23.15 | Franky6 | apt'getting : E: Couldn't find package libxext6-dev |
| 13:23.29 | jelly-ho | peg: poke it with a stick. Seriously? Listen to it spin up on power-on. check bios. check it with smart if it apparently works. check it with vendor's utilities. |
| 13:23.31 | Tassium | Franky6: When you compile, you need the -dev package for whatever libs you're using. |
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| 13:24.22 | Franky6 | i'm compiling kopete, it first complained about X i installed x-dev and it went a little ahead then stopped |
| 13:24.23 | Tassium | Franky6: apt-cache search libxext. The package name is actually libxext-dev (why there's no 6 in there, I have no idea) |
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| 13:24.51 | Franky6 | that returns : libxext-dev is already the newest version. |
| 13:25.25 | Baltazar | how can i speed up the mouse pointer in xorg??? |
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| 13:26.00 | cahoot | concept10: www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/faq/part1/section-6.html |
| 13:26.03 | ricky_clarkson | Move your hand faster!!! |
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| 13:26.45 | ricky_clarkson | Can I mount a .iso file or extract its contents somehow? |
| 13:26.48 | concept10 | cahoot, thanks my friend |
| 13:26.53 | ricky_clarkson | A Linux or Windows answer is fine. |
| 13:27.02 | cahoot | concept10: actually thank google |
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| 13:27.16 | jelly-ho | ricky_clarkson: yes for both. |
| 13:27.18 | shevek | Since updating my sid system, vim doesn't auto-cindent my .cc files anymore. I suppose I can restore that behaviour through its config file? How? (Yes, I'm typing "vim", not "vi" to start it) |
| 13:27.19 | adggg | I'm getting an error with apt-get: apt-get install sun-java5-jre <<< what am I doing wrong??? |
| 13:27.20 | ricky_clarkson | How? |
| 13:27.30 | tictac | ricky_clarkson: sure. windows, use daemontools. linux, mount -t iso9660 /path/to/file -o loop /path/to/loop |
| 13:27.51 | shevek | adggg: What error? |
| 13:27.53 | ricky_clarkson | adggg: You are neglecting to mention the error message. |
| 13:27.57 | tictac | err mount. path/to/mount. you know the deal. normal mount stuff. |
| 13:28.14 | ricky_clarkson | tictac: With a base install of Sarge that should work without having to download anything beyond the base, right? |
| 13:28.31 | ricky_clarkson | I'll try it, just checcking because that'll require a reboot. ;) |
| 13:28.31 | streuner | yes |
| 13:28.35 | ricky_clarkson | Cheers. |
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| 13:30.46 | adggg | error message: "Couldn't find package" |
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| 13:31.20 | streuner | adggg: /msg dpkg java |
| 13:31.47 | shevek | adggg: I think that thing is in non-free. If you don't have that in sources.list, it can't find it (and that's good). |
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| 13:33.37 | adggg | shevek: I added non-free to sources.list |
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| 13:34.03 | streuner | adggg: so what version of debian? |
| 13:34.14 | streuner | !info sun-java5-jdk testing |
| 13:34.18 | shevek | adggg: In that case, use aptitude or synaptic to find the name of the package you want |
| 13:34.31 | adggg | streuner: scratch that, there's an error in sources.list |
| 13:34.39 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'sun-java5-jdk' does not exist. |
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| 13:35.00 | streuner | adggg: that package is available in unstable... |
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| 13:37.49 | FromTO | I just compiled a new kernel and chose software suspend from make menuconfig. After all this hibernate says Your kernel does not appear to have Software Suspend 2 support compiled in. any ideas |
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| 13:38.32 | Franky6 | where i can get texo2 for sane ? |
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| 13:38.46 | ma3x | can I merge /dev/hda4 with /dev/hda2 ? |
| 13:38.55 | streuner | !tell Franky6 about search |
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| 13:40.06 | Franky6 | apt-cache search teco2 returns nothing |
| 13:40.14 | adggg | streuner: how can I get java for etch? |
| 13:40.26 | streuner | adggg: /msg dpkg java |
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| 13:41.01 | adggg | streuner: tried that, didn't get anywhere |
| 13:41.18 | kyncani | ma3x: parted/qtparted/gparted can remove and extend partitions |
| 13:41.36 | streuner | adggg: use blackdown's packages then |
| 13:41.45 | streuner | adggg: /msg dpkg blackdown |
| 13:41.51 | ma3x | kyncani, my question is if I can merge them? not extend |
| 13:42.18 | streuner | Franky6: for what you need that package at all? |
| 13:42.28 | adggg | /msg dpkg blackdown |
| 13:42.34 | Franky6 | use a primax scanner |
| 13:42.39 | Franky6 | (scsi) |
| 13:42.53 | streuner | Franky6: so a third-party driver? |
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| 13:43.04 | Franky6 | it says it's a backend for sane |
| 13:43.26 | streuner | Franky6: search for the sane website, they have some infos... |
| 13:43.33 | PlasmaHH | hi, can I somehow ask apt to never install a particular package from a particular repository, even if its newer? |
| 13:43.42 | kyncani | ma3x: yes you can, as explained in parted documentation. |
| 13:44.17 | concept10 | son of a bitch msn message boards dont support firefox |
| 13:44.31 | petemc | hardly surprising |
| 13:44.44 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 13:44.44 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:45.12 | concept10 | shouldnt be, its a general site, im fed up with that type of crap |
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| 13:46.15 | peg | Tassium, I cant be constently be rebooting prodution systems! |
| 13:46.43 | peg | jelly-ho, i need a simply way to check health of a drive not a complicated one |
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| 13:46.56 | Shadowcat | peg: smartontools |
| 13:47.00 | Shadowcat | err |
| 13:47.02 | Shadowcat | smartmontools |
| 13:47.03 | jelly-ho | peg: oh, a live system? |
| 13:47.06 | Shadowcat | or something like that |
| 13:47.10 | Shadowcat | !info smartmontools |
| 13:47.17 | dpkg | smartmontools: (control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.36-6 (sid), Packaged size: 255 kB, Installed size: 552 kB |
| 13:47.21 | Shadowcat | there ya go |
| 13:48.20 | peg | Shadowcat, smarttools does not support sas drives |
| 13:48.24 | Franky6 | how i check whether debian "see" my scsi scanner ? |
| 13:48.32 | peg | jelly-ho, yaha a workign system |
| 13:48.44 | petemc | Franky6: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 13:49.07 | Franky6 | cat: /proc/scsi/scsi: No such file or directory |
| 13:49.32 | Shadowcat | peg: sol then |
| 13:49.43 | streuner | Franky6: it would give you results using ide-scsi (SCSI-Emulation...) |
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| 13:49.55 | jelly-ho | peg: you have too new hardware. Perhaps there's a vendor (driver) solution if you have a RAID controller. |
| 13:49.55 | adggg | I can't find java with apt-get |
| 13:49.58 | Franky6 | ? |
| 13:50.07 | petemc | Franky6: you dont appear to have any scsi devices |
| 13:50.16 | streuner | adggg_ well, you need to add a sources.line then |
| 13:50.23 | ricky_clarkson | !java |
| 13:50.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 13:50.35 | streuner | or the kernel just don't regonise it, Franky6 |
| 13:50.47 | ricky_clarkson | That factoid is out of date. |
| 13:50.47 | Franky6 | what i can do ? |
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| 13:50.57 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 13:51.06 | FromTO | when I use make menuconfig and save, it is not changing the .config file to refect any changes |
| 13:51.12 | Rug | is pppoe included in the netinst CD iso? |
| 13:51.15 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 13:52.54 | adggg | streuner: I have been adding a lot of soures.list lines |
| 13:53.07 | ricky_clarkson | streuner: I hope there's a stable backport for sun-java-jdk. |
| 13:53.17 | streuner | adggg_ well, maybe one line too much |
| 13:53.22 | ricky_clarkson | sun-java5-sdk even. |
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| 13:53.36 | streuner | adggg_ add a 'blackdown' line then |
| 13:53.40 | adggg | streuner: for example, deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-freeO5DO5DO5DO5DO |
| 13:53.52 | adggg | streuner, what's a blackdown line look like? |
| 13:53.53 | streuner | adggg_ non-us is gone |
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| 13:54.11 | adggg | I'll cut out non-us |
| 13:54.14 | ricky_clarkson | !no, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Ask me about <install java> and <java licensing>, or consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. |
| 13:54.15 | streuner | adggg: well, scroll up, we told you already |
| 13:54.40 | adggg | streuner: scroll up doesn't work |
| 13:54.47 | GoAuLd | java dabba duu |
| 13:54.53 | ricky_clarkson | streuner: Why Blackdown? |
| 13:54.59 | streuner | adggg: what kind of irc-client do you use? |
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| 13:55.21 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: he prolly using not unstable, and that package isn't in etch or sarge |
| 13:55.32 | adggg | streuner: some weird rhapsody thing, I though it was cool at first, but not sure now |
| 13:55.38 | ricky_clarkson | streuner: Isn't java-package in etch or sarge? |
| 13:55.46 | streuner | sure |
| 13:55.57 | ricky_clarkson | Isn't that preferable to Blackdown? |
| 13:56.10 | streuner | well, it didn't work for me |
| 13:56.17 | streuner | (java-package) |
| 13:56.28 | streuner | adggg: /msg dpkg blackdown |
| 13:57.17 | streuner | adggg: there is another option you have (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 13:57.47 | ricky_clarkson | streuner: Fair enough - I haven't tried it yet. |
| 13:57.57 | adggg | streuner: have used both commands, but nothing is happening |
| 13:58.11 | streuner | dpkg blackdown |
| 13:58.11 | dpkg | blackdown kicks ass; they're java people for linux -- http://www.blackdown.org, or a group of Sun Java products ported to Linux by the Blackdown development team. Get it at http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, or most mirrors have aptable sections, or a group of folks who signed NDA's with Sun and got the JDK source code. they ported it to linux and put it up on blackdown.org, or shit, use java-package |
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| 13:58.18 | ricky_clarkson | If there's a backport of sun-java5-sdk I'll use that, but I'd never use Blackdown. |
| 13:59.38 | MaRX-Mode | ricky_clarkson: how to use that backport of sun java in debian? |
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| 13:59.56 | adggg | apt-get blackdown??? |
| 14:00.15 | streuner | adggg: no, visit the URL and look for instructions |
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| 14:00.44 | streuner | adggg: or just download the package itself and install it by hand. |
| 14:00.48 | ricky_clarkson | MaRX-Mode: Use java-package. |
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| 14:01.13 | Rug | Can anybody help me? I am kinda desperate. Is PPPoE included in the Netinst CD ? |
| 14:01.24 | ricky_clarkson | If you have to ask such a basic question then backports probably aren't for you. |
| 14:01.30 | ricky_clarkson | ^^ MaRX-Mode |
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| 14:02.42 | Shadowcat | sigh I picked one hell of a day to reinstall |
| 14:02.47 | blondie | Rug: don't think so |
| 14:02.55 | Shadowcat | just the day when debootstrap is broken |
| 14:02.55 | Franky6 | i did scsiinfo -l and returns a blank row : how do i make debian see my scanner ? |
| 14:03.06 | Rug | blondie: damn I was hopeing for the other answer. |
| 14:03.16 | streuner | Rug: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch07s02.html.en#PPP |
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| 14:03.53 | streuner | Rug: PPPOE is a protocol related to PPP used for some broadband connections. There is currently no support in base configuration to help you set this up. However, the necessary software has been installed, which means you can configure PPPOE manually at this stage of the installation by switching to VT2 and running pppoeconf. |
| 14:04.03 | Rug | streuner: I don't have a reliable connection right now, I can't view http. |
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| 14:04.25 | Rug | streuner: thanks |
| 14:04.29 | streuner | Rug: are you using i-net or not? ;-) |
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| 14:05.34 | Rug | I am using, but this box I am connected to needs to be nuked. (and many things don't work) IRC is the only thing I can get to run, and it took me 10 minutes to connect |
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| 14:05.41 | ricky_clarkson | What program can I use to view Postscript files? Preferably something on Sarge CD 1 (as I have no Internet access from Debian yet). |
| 14:05.56 | SlayerXP | ricky_clarkson: ghostview |
| 14:05.57 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: gs? |
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| 14:06.17 | Rug | streuner: thanks for your help. |
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| 14:06.39 | streuner | Rug: you're welcome. |
| 14:06.42 | harshal_test | hello, which package should i use to display unicode |
| 14:06.43 | harshal_test | ? |
| 14:06.59 | cerculetz | hi, is anyone aware of ESR's "How to ask questions the smart way" being available somewhere in DocBook format ? |
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| 14:08.13 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: gv too |
| 14:08.34 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: kpdf *cough* |
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| 14:08.52 | FromTO | does anyone got software suspend running on 2.6.16 |
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| 14:09.34 | Shadowcat | FromTO: yes |
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| 14:10.09 | skipmeister | anybody on a laptop using cpuspeed? |
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| 14:10.34 | Shadowcat | !info cpuspeed |
| 14:10.38 | Shadowcat | !tell skipmeister about ask |
| 14:10.48 | kyncani | cpuspeed ? |
| 14:10.59 | onetinsoldier | after upgrading to xorg 7.0 yesterday, i seem to be missing a font, probably more than one. can anyone help with it? loadmeter: Can't load font -schumacher-clean-medium-r-*-*-7-*-*-*-*-*-*-*! |
| 14:11.19 | FromTO | shadowcat: I thought software supend is a default in 2.6.16 but cannot find anything for it in .config. I compiled yesterday with selecting suspend and saving the chnages but hibernate still says software suspend is not comiled in the kernel |
| 14:11.49 | Shadowcat | !tell onetinsoldier about topic |
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| 14:13.08 | gilianima | hi |
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| 14:13.16 | gilianima | does someone know the equivalent of "recode euc-cn..utf8 -f myfile" using iconv ? |
| 14:13.41 | cusco | hi |
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| 14:13.46 | jelly-ho | Shadowcat: nothing in topic pertaining to xorg 7 or fonts? |
| 14:13.55 | cusco | I was doing a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:14.02 | Shadowcat | jelly: only the first url on there |
| 14:14.08 | cusco | and it was upgrading xserver-xorg |
| 14:14.14 | cusco | and then dpkg got an error: |
| 14:14.16 | jelly-ho | Shadowcat: oh. |
| 14:14.16 | cusco | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:14.16 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:14.30 | Shadowcat | that goes for you too cusco, read the topic |
| 14:15.03 | onetinsoldier | Shadowcat: uhhmm, excuse me, but unless i'm missing something here in bitchx, which does show the topic, i don't see anything in the topic about 'fonts' or xorg 7.0 problems. the closest thing i see about xorg is /msg dpkg xorg sarge. perhaps i'm missing something though. |
| 14:15.06 | FromTO | Shadowcat: did suspend compile out of the box on 2.6.16 |
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| 14:15.34 | Shadowcat | onetinsoldier: hint, check the first url |
| 14:15.43 | cusco | Shadowcat: sorry.. but what about the topic? |
| 14:15.43 | Shadowcat | FromTO: no, you have to make a custom kernel |
| 14:16.02 | jelly-ho | Shadowcat: perhaps it would be more obvious to put something like "read this FIRST for current testing/unstable breakages" |
| 14:16.19 | Shadowcat | jelly: XOrg has been broken for the past month |
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| 14:16.22 | Shadowcat | it's hardly news |
| 14:16.32 | onetinsoldier | yeah.. i think just STATUS is a little vauge there |
| 14:16.39 | jelly-ho | Shadowcat: I don't upgrade EVERY month. ;-) |
| 14:16.40 | Shadowcat | a more appropriate response would be "WHERE THE HELL have you been?" |
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| 14:17.17 | jelly-ho | Shadowcat: and seeing you got 2-3 identical responses right now... |
| 14:17.32 | onetinsoldier | cusco: i can likely help you fix your problem |
| 14:17.47 | gilianima | does someone remember decode macintosh files ? |
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| 14:17.51 | Shadowcat | jelly-ho: it means some people are lagging in unstable, badly |
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| 14:19.08 | onetinsoldier | rtfm is ok sometimes, but this is irc and i think it implys some degree of social interaction |
| 14:19.28 | onetinsoldier | *implies |
| 14:19.28 | Shadowcat | onetinsoldier: this is unstable we're talking about |
| 14:19.57 | pyroplasm | gilianima: iirc netatalk delivers tools for that |
| 14:19.59 | jelly-ho | Shadowcat: or it may be that xorg 7 has dropped to testing recently? Dunno, it's just an interesting coincidence. |
| 14:20.16 | Shadowcat | jelly-ho: xorg 7 in testing? |
| 14:20.24 | onetinsoldier | well, i'm not running unstable.. i can't say that i'm running sarge though |
| 14:20.35 | jelly-ho | Shadowcat: yeah, see topic :->> |
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| 14:20.36 | Shadowcat | oh great |
| 14:20.39 | onetinsoldier | yep.. yesterday. testing got xorg 7.0 |
| 14:20.41 | Shadowcat | fine, ya ok |
| 14:20.50 | Shadowcat | time for another week of confused people |
| 14:20.54 | Shadowcat | but again, read the url |
| 14:21.05 | gilianima | pyroplasm: i remember i used a command to convert a jpeg image coming from mac into real jpeg image, but i forgot the command |
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| 14:21.23 | onetinsoldier | i will. i have the page up |
| 14:21.44 | Shadowcat | personally I solved my problem by doing a clean install |
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| 14:21.50 | Shadowcat | didn't even bother trying to upgrade |
| 14:21.53 | onetinsoldier | thank you for pointing me to it. it will be of good use to read it i'm sure |
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| 14:22.04 | Shadowcat | I just edited my seeding file so that it installed xorg automatically |
| 14:22.15 | Shadowcat | and an hour later I had working systems |
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| 14:23.47 | adggg | what is the command to run and install file: "/home/cook/Desktop/jre-1_5_0_07-linux-i586.bin" (it's java) on my debian machine??? |
| 14:24.04 | Shadowcat | you don't install that |
| 14:24.12 | Shadowcat | !tell adggg about java-package |
| 14:24.14 | dabreegster | .bins are usually shell executables. chmod +x it then run |
| 14:24.23 | Shadowcat | !beat dabreegster |
| 14:24.24 | Shadowcat | no |
| 14:24.30 | Shadowcat | not that bin |
| 14:24.34 | jelly-ho | dabreegster: nope, there's a better way. |
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| 14:24.58 | dabreegster | Not familiar with java |
| 14:25.01 | ao2 | adggg, if you use the non-free repository threr is java already (for sid and etch) |
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| 14:25.08 | treestone | dabreegster: If you just executed that script all your /etc/alternatives/ java links would be broken. |
| 14:25.21 | Shadowcat | treestone: among other things |
| 14:25.28 | treestone | Among other things. |
| 14:25.37 | adggg | ao2: where I keep trying to apt-get install java, but it's not working |
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| 14:26.28 | liable | adggg: erm, i dont think 'java' is actually a package in debian, you may want to search for the correct one.. |
| 14:26.45 | ktwilight | it's java-common |
| 14:26.49 | liable | no |
| 14:26.53 | ktwilight | :/ |
| 14:27.01 | adggg | I think I found it (thanks to Shadowcat) java-package |
| 14:27.15 | ktwilight | *shrugs* |
| 14:27.15 | ao2 | sun-java5-bin |
| 14:27.36 | Shadowcat | what is the deal with all these misinformed people today |
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| 14:28.13 | liable | Shadowcat: just today? |
| 14:28.18 | SlayerXP | i didn't think today was special :) |
| 14:28.36 | N0S3 | what client webmail recommends me for pop3? |
| 14:28.57 | Tassium | N0S3: Webmail uses IMAP |
| 14:29.37 | petemc | not always |
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| 14:30.00 | N0S3 | Tassium: I need something better than usermin |
| 14:30.11 | N0S3 | (usermin-maibox) |
| 14:30.17 | petemc | N0S3: opebwebmail can aggregate mail from various pop3 accounts, if thats what you're after |
| 14:30.31 | N0S3 | ah |
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| 14:31.10 | petemc | openwebmail, even |
| 14:31.15 | Tassium | IIRC, SquirrelMail has a "fetchmail" plugin as well. |
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| 14:31.22 | jelly-ho | should I install udev on a desktop etch machine? |
| 14:31.32 | Tassium | But SquirrelMail does require an IMAP server. |
| 14:31.44 | N0S3 | Tassium: yes it is |
| 14:32.26 | gilianima | how to decode mac files to be able to use it on linux ? |
| 14:32.27 | liable | jelly-ho: might as well. on a desktop something will prolly end up depending on it. |
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| 14:33.30 | abrotman | jelly-ho: might as well .. you'll probably ahve to switch some day |
| 14:33.34 | petemc | gilianima: what sort of mac files? |
| 14:33.43 | jelly-ho | liable: Right. I have been evading those dependencies for a while... it's just that I'm uncomfortable with a dynamic /dev. ;-) |
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| 14:33.46 | liable | jelly-ho: it actually seems to be fairly stable in the last 6 months |
| 14:34.13 | liable | jelly-ho: but for an interesting read, try the old bugs for it :) |
| 14:34.13 | gilianima | petemc: a jpeg image |
| 14:34.26 | gilianima | gilianima: made on an old macintosh |
| 14:34.51 | petemc | gilianima: if it really is a jpeg, you should have no trouble opening it, must be something you're not telling uas |
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| 14:37.08 | jelly-ho | and what about this dbus thingy? |
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| 14:38.05 | treestone | jelly-ho: If you install something that needs it it will be installed automatically. |
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| 14:39.10 | liable | dbus is a good thing, especially when it settles a bit. |
| 14:39.45 | gilianima | petemc: I had this problem a few weeks ago, it worked using a command that I forgo |
| 14:39.48 | gilianima | forgot |
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| 14:41.06 | Tassium | gilianima: What does the 'file' command give when you run it on your mac file? |
| 14:41.55 | gilianima | Tassium: image2.jpg: BinHex binary text, version 4.0 |
| 14:41.57 | MatBoy | liable, I have fixed my Nvidia-problem :) |
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| 14:42.35 | Sadus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:42.53 | Sadus | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.57 | treestone | gilianima: Then do 'apt-cache search binhex' |
| 14:43.02 | liable | MatBoy: congrats :) |
| 14:43.27 | gilianima | treestone: gilles@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ binhex image2.jpg |
| 14:43.27 | gilianima | File is not MacBinary: image2.jpg |
| 14:43.29 | MatBoy | liable, now I need a faster processor... My Celli 3,06 Ghz is not going to handle these 3 screens :) |
| 14:43.38 | liable | MatBoy: heh |
| 14:44.05 | liable | gilianima: try #ubuntu |
| 14:44.06 | MatBoy | liable, it's at the borderline... it can and it can;t |
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| 14:44.47 | liable | MatBoy: hrm, my laptop has a hard time doing one screen... :P |
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| 14:45.25 | Jacobo221 | hi, the mozilla-mplayer plugin doesn't play videos although it does play the music. anyone knows what the problem is? |
| 14:45.38 | stew | Sadus: what version of xnest do you have installed? |
| 14:45.51 | liable | jelly-ho: and you actually have mplayer? |
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| 14:46.00 | dabreegster | Jacobo221: Can you play the videos normally with mplayer? You might be missing a codec |
| 14:46.02 | assan | hi |
| 14:46.05 | gilianima | liable: my problem has nothing to see with ubuntu |
| 14:46.17 | Hool | 'lo peeps |
| 14:46.19 | Sadus | stew, xnest (1.0.2-8) |
| 14:46.19 | Jacobo221 | dabreegster: i can play them if i wget && mplayer |
| 14:46.20 | assan | where can i find picture for my desktop ? |
| 14:46.26 | tuxplorer | what is the debian version string pattern? can anyone tell me the permitted version string formats in debian? |
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| 14:46.35 | Sadus | stew, apt-getting (after upgrading xorg) |
| 14:46.39 | assan | for example, amsn picture |
| 14:46.48 | dabreegster | Jacobo221: Then it's a plugin problem, I dunno. Any errors or output? |
| 14:46.50 | Hool | is there any real modules available for those mainbord embedded Realtech 1000mbit network cards? |
| 14:46.57 | liable | gilianima: right |
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| 14:47.19 | Jacobo221 | dabreegster: i set debug=2 to get the log, but i cannot see the log anywhere. no console output and no log file created |
| 14:47.23 | MatBoy | liable, what are you running than ? I'm running vmware also :) |
| 14:47.54 | dabreegster | Jacobo221: I dunno where it'd put it, but you can always use lsof to see if it's placing it somewhere strange |
| 14:48.00 | liable | Hool: google is prolly your best bet for that question |
| 14:48.09 | MatBoy | liable, what is your opinion about a dualcore ? |
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| 14:48.18 | qweo | hello all |
| 14:48.33 | liable | MatBoy: i dont have an opionion about it :) |
| 14:48.46 | MatBoy | liable, can you think about it ?? :p |
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| 14:49.38 | liable | no :P |
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| 14:49.57 | Mastroquet | The update to x.org7 prevents me from compiling some apps (Firefox gtk2 e.g. -- for FF gtk1 it worked fine) |
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| 14:50.06 | Mastroquet | It complains it can't find ICE |
| 14:50.14 | Mastroquet | I made a symlink /usr/X11R6/include/X11/ICE => /usr/include/X11/ICE, but no luck |
| 14:50.22 | Mastroquet | I had a problem compiling jwm that wanted xft, and I solved it by creating the symlink /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft => /usr/include/X11/Xft |
| 14:50.36 | Mastroquet | this one seemed to work fine |
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| 14:50.56 | Jacobo221 | dabreegster: thanks, i'll keep investigating |
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| 14:51.33 | Anthro | I have a new install that I've upgraded to testing. I ran the commands dpkg gave me when I asked about the 2006 key per the /topic. When I apt-get install I still get warnings about unverified packages. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 14:52.11 | resiak | I've just upgraded to X.org 7, and sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg refuses to give me a new xorg.conf despite md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum ; any clues? |
| 14:52.25 | Mastroquet | Any idea, or should I wait for a new update that get rid of the remains of xorg6.9 ? |
| 14:52.31 | liable | Anthro: apt-get install apt (should give you the key, then dist-upgrade) |
| 14:52.35 | Mastroquet | ;-) |
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| 14:53.06 | liable | resiak: just remove the file and reconfigure again |
| 14:53.16 | resiak | liable: No file is created if I do that |
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| 14:53.28 | Anthro | liable: trying now... |
| 14:53.46 | liable | resiak: did it for me when 7 first came out, though i havent tried it lately |
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| 14:54.05 | Anthro | liable: No dice. I'd already done that. Everything is up to date. |
| 14:54.30 | resiak | liable: oh well |
| 14:54.34 | liable | Anthro: paste your sources list to paster |
| 14:54.39 | liable | resiak: yeah |
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| 14:56.04 | Hool | where can one find network drivers ported to debian? |
| 14:56.05 | Anthro | liable: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2743 |
| 14:56.16 | Hool | or how do you port a driver from openbsd to debian? |
| 14:56.23 | Hool | is it even possible |
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| 14:56.37 | Anthro | liable: The particular package I am getting the warning on is privoxy, which is in main. |
| 14:57.00 | Tassium | Hool: What driver do you need? |
| 14:57.06 | liable | Anthro: just the one package? |
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| 14:57.28 | Anthro | liable: That's the only one I've tried. Suggest another and I'll try installing it. |
| 14:57.35 | Hool | liable VIA Cicada VT6122 Gigabit LAN is needed |
| 14:57.39 | mwe | what's a good tool for logging network trafic and statistics? |
| 14:57.44 | Hool | it's embedded in my new mainbord.. |
| 14:57.53 | Tassium | mwe: A sniffer? ethereal, tcpdump |
| 14:58.01 | Hool | would be neat to use a giganbit NIC if i can :) |
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| 14:58.14 | Hool | hate to cram in a PCI 100 if i can avoid it :D |
| 14:58.18 | Tassium | Hool: Is the rest of your LAN gigabit ready? |
| 14:58.23 | jaggedaloc | <-- looking for help installing grub or lilo or other... |
| 14:58.31 | mwe | Tassium: I just want to keep track of how much data is goin in and out and on what interface |
| 14:58.40 | liable | Anthro: what version of debian are you actually using? you have all three in sources.. |
| 14:58.48 | pipeline | Hool: I'd be very surprised if a 3com/Intel 100 mbit NIC didn't perform comparably to the Via gbit :P |
| 14:58.48 | Hool | Tassium: no but it's short cables and cat5e or cat6 so it will mooove anywya :D |
| 14:58.51 | Tassium | mwe: ifconfig tells you how much traffic went through the interface. I think you can also set up accounting using iptables |
| 14:59.11 | mwe | ok. I'll look into it |
| 14:59.11 | Hool | yeah.. but everything is closed.. and i don't have a nic handy |
| 14:59.13 | liable | jaggedaloc: whats the actuall problem |
| 14:59.23 | Hool | and it is in my motherboard allready |
| 14:59.29 | Anthro | liable: apt.conf has APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
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| 15:00.38 | Hool | umm.. |
| 15:00.53 | liable | Anthro: paste the results from an update and install of a package |
| 15:00.58 | Hool | if i can see the thing in dmesg and it still don't work.. |
| 15:01.04 | Hool | that's just my network being broken? |
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| 15:01.52 | Tassium | Hool: Define "don't work" |
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| 15:02.09 | Hool | Tassium: i can't reach apt |
| 15:02.15 | Hool | and ping |
| 15:02.21 | Anthro | liable: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2744 |
| 15:02.44 | Tassium | Hool: But when you use ifconfig, the interface is up? |
| 15:02.50 | vingilot | I'm using Sarge and I'm having problems with X after my latest dist-upgrade this weekend - it now errors out with "Could not open default font 'fixed'"; I ran X -version and I'm seeing "XFree86 Version 3.3.6", so I'm pretty sure I mangled the xorg upgrade; I can get the results of "startx > x.out 2>&1" if necessary |
| 15:04.01 | Hool | hmm.. it's listed in "dmesg" as eth1 and in ifconfig as eth0 |
| 15:04.02 | beered | vingilot: Font path's are messed up after the update. Check the xorg.conf font paths (add X11/ to it) |
| 15:04.07 | Hool | hmm.. od |
| 15:04.14 | Hool | no wonder it's broken ^^ |
| 15:04.18 | N0S3 | Tassium: what is the best courier or cyrus? |
| 15:04.37 | Tassium | N0S3: Depends on your needs |
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| 15:05.14 | N0S3 | Tassium: I need an IMAP basic and easy the to use |
| 15:05.32 | Tassium | N0S3: Based on that, i'd rank Courier over Cyrus. |
| 15:05.40 | beered | #000000 == black, right? |
| 15:06.04 | liable | Anthro: gimme the paste of an update |
| 15:06.13 | Anthro | N0S3: I like courier, myself. |
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| 15:06.41 | N0S3 | Anthro Tassium ok thanks |
| 15:06.49 | liable | Anthro: your sources look fine though |
| 15:07.20 | Sadus | stew, i think its a problem with x11-common and xserver-common |
| 15:07.23 | jaggedaloc | liable: well, i debootstrapped sarge, but I can't configure my mbr to look at /dev/hdc1 |
| 15:07.39 | Sadus | when i try to apt-get install xserver-common, it says Dependes: x11-common, yet it is installed |
| 15:07.39 | treestone | beered: Try 'xterm -bg #000000' vs. 'xterm -bg #ffffff' |
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| 15:08.06 | Anthro | liable: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2745 |
| 15:08.15 | beered | treestone: I'm working on a web page. :) |
| 15:08.28 | stew | Sadus: put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy x11-common xserver-common" into a pastebin |
| 15:08.28 | jaggedaloc | l: danke. |
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| 15:08.38 | treestone | beered: Oke :-) But 000000 is black, as you suggested. |
| 15:08.50 | adggg | after I apt-get install java-package do I need to do anything special to activate it? |
| 15:08.57 | Anthro | liable: I've had a number of working installs with this config before, and the instructions from dpkg always took care of it before. I don't know what's different here. |
| 15:09.02 | liable | Anthro: dpkg -l apt ?? |
| 15:09.36 | liable | jaggedaloc: grub fails to install to it? |
| 15:09.40 | Anthro | liable: 0.6.44.1 |
| 15:09.45 | beered | Was this a major update to xorg that was recently dumped in to testing? |
| 15:09.48 | liable | Anthro: hrm |
| 15:09.57 | Sadus | stew, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2746 |
| 15:10.02 | liable | beered: yeah. xorg7 |
| 15:10.24 | jaggedaloc | liable: yeah, but it's probably my misunderstanding of how to use the grub-install... |
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| 15:10.32 | beered | liable: in testing? |
| 15:10.51 | Anthro | liable: Okay, bafflingly, now that I did the update and ran the apt-key command again it seems to be working. |
| 15:10.52 | liable | beered: yes, apparently its in testing now |
| 15:11.01 | jaggedaloc | been trying permutations of grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/hdc |
| 15:11.06 | stew | Sadus: that looks fine. why are you tring to instll xserver-common? |
| 15:11.07 | liable | Anthro: thats good :) |
| 15:11.13 | beered | liable: wow. that's cool. |
| 15:11.14 | Anthro | liable: I'm going to try another update to see if the marillat repository is now verifiable. |
| 15:11.21 | treestone | liable: A bit strange that, as it seems to me all issues are not sorted out yet in unstable. |
| 15:11.32 | liable | Anthro: see his home page for the key shits |
| 15:11.57 | Tassium | key shits? |
| 15:12.02 | liable | treestone: not my boat to float :) |
| 15:12.04 | Sadus | stew, xorg is running fine, but i was going thru xnest's dependecies to see if everything is well installed, and xserver-common gave me this, i thought that it could be the cause of Xnest/rdesktop/vnc not running |
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| 15:12.30 | beered | Tassium: wash your mouth! |
| 15:12.31 | beered | :-) |
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| 15:13.00 | Tassium | beered: Don't blame me, he said it! I was just askin'.. ;) |
| 15:13.04 | Anthro | liable: Actually, I just did a recv-key for the key it was complaining about and exported it to apt-key. All seems to be well now. |
| 15:13.13 | Franky6 | hi, what kind of tool can be attached to lineout to hear sound ? tried speaker (w/buil in amp.and without and headphone) ? |
| 15:13.14 | liable | cool |
| 15:13.27 | beered | now that xserver-xorg 7.0.20 is in testing how much longer do we have to wait for compiz? |
| 15:13.37 | stew | Sadus: xnest doesn't depend on xserver-common |
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| 15:13.43 | Nuxi | useradd takes an encrypted password. How can I give it a nonencrypted password or encrypt a password to give it? |
| 15:13.48 | blondie | Franky6: not-a-debian-question |
| 15:13.58 | jaggedaloc | liable: or, if I chroot to /mnt, how do I refer to the boot device? |
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| 15:14.08 | Anthro | liable: Thanks for the help, even if it's not quite clear how or why the problem cleared up. |
| 15:14.24 | Franky6 | :( |
| 15:14.26 | liable | Anthro: heh, doesnt matter, as long as it works. |
| 15:14.32 | Sadus | stew, i found some vague discussions on google, but most of them date 2001-2002, i'm not sure how to fix that issue |
| 15:14.34 | Anthro | liable: yep |
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| 15:15.23 | liable | jaggedaloc: hdc1 is (hd2,0) in grub speak, but also depends on device.map |
| 15:15.43 | stew | Sadus: have you checked the bts for xnest? /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:15.52 | vingilot | thanks, beered, but I'm not seeing my changes reflected in the FontPath that appears in startx's output. |
| 15:15.59 | liable | jaggedaloc: grub-install /dev/hdc should work. |
| 15:16.04 | jaggedaloc | liable: but I can force probing (he he) can't i? |
| 15:16.06 | Sadus | stew, checking that now |
| 15:16.18 | jaggedaloc | brb |
| 15:16.38 | beered | vingilot: did you restart X? |
| 15:16.46 | vingilot | X won't start at all |
| 15:16.55 | vingilot | I'm doing it all from the command line |
| 15:17.11 | vingilot | The default font is a fatal server crash problem |
| 15:17.16 | liable | vingilot: xfree or xorg? |
| 15:17.19 | vingilot | xorg |
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| 15:17.22 | vingilot | Supposedly |
| 15:17.34 | Tassium | Nuxi: I suppose you could whip up a perl script to crypt() up some passwords |
| 15:17.48 | vingilot | When I run "X -version" I get: XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System |
| 15:17.49 | liable | vingilot: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:17.50 | beered | vingilot: in your xorg.conf file, under FontPath, change /usr/share/fonts/XYZ to /usr/share/fonts/X11/XYZ. |
| 15:18.04 | beered | vingilot: oh, wait. |
| 15:18.08 | Tassium | Nuxi: http://www.osix.net/modules/article/?id=571 |
| 15:18.38 | beered | vingilot: you are running Xfree, not xorg. |
| 15:18.52 | vingilot | Sadly, /var/log/Xorg.0.log hasn't been touched in hours |
| 15:19.12 | nite613_ | nuxi: useradd doesn't need an encrypted password ?? |
| 15:19.17 | vingilot | That's the main thing that confuses me; I've run apt-get --purge remove xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:19.22 | liable | vingilot: then you need to give us the errors when xorg was installed. |
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| 15:19.35 | nite613_ | Nuxi: unless you're supplying it on the command-line, I guess |
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| 15:19.49 | vingilot | I don't remember any |
| 15:19.57 | beered | vingilot: you run dist-upgrade on testing, and xorg was replaced with xFree? |
| 15:19.58 | Nuxi | I need to supply it on the command line. It's an install script for installing Linux. |
| 15:20.08 | vingilot | Yes, beered |
| 15:20.16 | beered | vingilot: unstable? |
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| 15:20.23 | nite613_ | Nuxi: in which case do this: useradd <other options> -p `perl -e "print crypt('somepassword', 'xx');"` |
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| 15:21.04 | vingilot | beered: from the sarge CD, with testing and stable in my sources.list |
| 15:21.05 | Nuxi | ok, i'll try that. |
| 15:21.25 | beered | vingilot: do apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 15:21.54 | beered | vingilot: xserver gets uninstalled sometimes during the upgrade to 7. |
| 15:21.57 | vingilot | I get: xserver-xorg is already the newest version |
| 15:22.06 | jaggedaloc | liable: thanks for help so far... says Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 15:22.23 | vingilot | I've run apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg xorg without errors |
| 15:22.37 | liable | jaggedaloc: hrm, and /boot is on that drive? |
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| 15:23.06 | jaggedaloc | or, if i chroot into /mnt... /dev/hdc: Not found or not a block device. |
| 15:23.06 | jaggedaloc | lemmee see if it is |
| 15:23.36 | liable | jaggedaloc: wait, how are you chrooting into this thing? |
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| 15:23.53 | vingilot | beered, liable: Thanks for the help so far |
| 15:24.35 | jaggedaloc | liable: it has /boot ... I am /chroot-ing from liveUSB boot of knoppix |
| 15:24.44 | liable | vingilot: what happens when you install x11-common? |
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| 15:25.32 | vingilot | liable: I get "x11-common is already the newest version.", should I force a --reinstall? |
| 15:25.38 | liable | no |
| 15:25.58 | nite613_ | where xx should really be random... |
| 15:25.58 | nite613_ | Seems weird though... I don't see how passing useradd a crypt'ed password would work on a system with md5 passwords |
| 15:26.07 | Franky6 | what opens .package files ? |
| 15:27.27 | liable | jaggedaloc: try grub in interactive mode i guess.. grub; root (hd2,0); setup hd2; quit |
| 15:27.40 | liable | Franky6: wtf are .package files? |
| 15:28.00 | jaggedaloc | liable 'kay brb i'm sure ;) |
| 15:28.03 | Franky6 | i'm downlaodinf an app and it comes as .package file |
| 15:28.15 | liable | Franky6: try #linux |
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| 15:28.41 | Tassium | Franky6: Try the 'file' util on it |
| 15:28.57 | cirdan | hey all, anyone know what problems there would be upgrading stable cyrus2.1 to 2.2? |
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| 15:29.34 | cirdan | i would really like to be able to use long group names, but i dunno if 2.2 can do that, either |
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| 15:29.51 | Tassium | cirdan: Figuring out the backend conversion required is a bitch. The documentation that comes with the cyrus 2.2 packages is not the best |
| 15:29.54 | kyncani | Franky6: you sure your app isn't available in debian ? |
| 15:30.15 | Franky6 | not sure but i've noly this package |
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| 15:30.21 | cirdan | Tassium: can it support long groupnames? |
| 15:30.24 | Franky6 | or the source which are .tar.bz2 |
| 15:30.27 | Tassium | cirdan: I don't know. |
| 15:30.30 | cirdan | damn |
| 15:30.44 | liable | Franky6: so use the tar package |
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| 15:31.25 | jaggedaloc | liable: tried on both sides, Error 21: Selected disk does not exist |
| 15:31.25 | kyncani | Franky6: if it's already available in debian, you should install the debian version (use your favorite package manager) |
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| 15:33.06 | mishkiz | hello all...im using a dist unstable...can i, without reinstall the debian, go to stable ? |
| 15:33.21 | liable | jaggedaloc: sucks, i gotta sleep though, someone else will help you, try tab completion with grub though, its quite smart. good luck |
| 15:33.23 | kyncani | mishkiz: no |
| 15:33.37 | jaggedaloc | liable: thanks, man |
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| 15:33.51 | liable | jaggedaloc: yw |
| 15:33.56 | vingilot | beered, liable: I forced a reinstall of xserver-common and now I'm getting "X Window System Version 7.0.0" with a different fatal server error: "Failed to load module 'vmmouse'" |
| 15:34.07 | vingilot | liable: thanks for the help |
| 15:34.14 | mishkiz | kyncani: ok...thanks....lets reinstal....rsrsrs |
| 15:34.15 | liable | np |
| 15:34.36 | kyncani | mishkiz: :) |
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| 15:35.07 | DragonD | how do i read the binaray mysql logs |
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| 15:35.39 | Tenkawa | does it seem right that su is failing because the shadow file has 400 perms now instead of 600? |
| 15:35.52 | nakee | xearth is not in testing because it doesnt' build on mips?!?! |
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| 15:36.10 | nakee | Tenkawa, yes |
| 15:36.18 | Tenkawa | crap |
| 15:36.21 | abrotman | !why is xearth not in testing |
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| 15:36.21 | dpkg | xearth is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xearth |
| 15:36.28 | Tenkawa | I was afraid of that |
| 15:36.44 | Tenkawa | this should be fun to fix not being able to su to it |
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| 15:37.11 | abrotman | liveCD! |
| 15:37.20 | abrotman | nakee: fails on s390 too! |
| 15:37.30 | jelly-ho | abrotman: :-)) |
| 15:37.48 | Tenkawa | I am so screwed |
| 15:37.56 | jelly-ho | abrotman: any of those certified for etch yet? |
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| 15:37.59 | kyncani | Tenkawa: livecd (simple) or boot with init=/bin/bash |
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| 15:38.06 | Tenkawa | thanks for the verification though |
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| 15:39.21 | nakee | abrotman, how do you run X on s390 anyhow? |
| 15:39.46 | callee | i have a problem with more recent kernels than 2.6.14.6. the symptom is after a while my mouse gets stuck at the left screen border |
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| 15:39.59 | callee | i can still move it, but it immediately returns to the left screen border |
| 15:40.01 | jelly-ho | nakee: think ssh & X11Forwarding. |
| 15:40.29 | abrotman | nakee: framebuffer i'd guess |
| 15:40.40 | abrotman | jelly-ho: MIPS .. maybe |
| 15:40.40 | callee | it takes a while till this happens, mostly triggered by some application using double buffering |
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| 15:52.54 | Franky6 | compiling an app lacks gdk/gdkx.h what package has 'em ? |
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| 15:54.54 | bendy24 | DanC: which address do you want? |
| 15:54.54 | DanC | well, I haven't sent anything to USENET in years |
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| 15:55.12 | musashiden | i'm getting this error output when trying to compile something of java. |
| 15:55.17 | musashiden | Unable to locate tools.jar. Expected to find it in /usr/lib/sablevm/lib/tools.jar |
| 15:55.23 | musashiden | com.sun.tools.javac.Main is not on the classpath. |
| 15:55.29 | DanC | I want the address of the new debian channel. I think. I found freenode pretty convienient. |
| 15:55.30 | musashiden | Perhaps JAVA_HOME does not point to the JDK |
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| 15:55.47 | musashiden | anybody knows what package i may be missing? |
| 15:55.49 | secher | quick question.. how do I unload ipv6? rmmod ipv6 tells me the module is busy. |
| 15:56.01 | bendy24 | DanC: well, the irc address is irc.oftc.net and you've found the web address... |
| 15:56.12 | secher | and it's really mucking up the works with madwifi. |
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| 15:56.53 | musashiden | anybody knows what package i may be missing? |
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| 15:57.21 | bendy24 | DanC: consider it a fork :) |
| 15:57.21 | stew | musashiden: what does "readlink -f $(which javac)" say? |
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| 15:57.38 | opqdonut | hi tuomov |
| 15:57.47 | musashiden | this: /usr/bin/gcj-wrapper-3.4 |
| 15:57.47 | tuomov | x11-common is totaly broken, and the stuff at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 isn't helping at all |
| 15:57.47 | DanC | so it's not a case of independent invention, bendy24 ? I'd like to know why the fork then... |
| 15:58.05 | DanC | I saw only vague grumblings in the mailing list archives that were cited from debian weekly news |
| 15:58.08 | tuomov | first of all it almost _emptied_ /usr/X11R6, so I have no X |
| 15:58.19 | tuomov | and yet it complained of the symlink stuff |
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| 15:58.25 | tuomov | and it still refuses to install |
| 15:58.34 | Franky6 | compiling an app lacks gdk/gdkx.h what package has 'em ? |
| 15:58.38 | tuomov | I managed to suppress some complaints with |
| 15:58.39 | tuomov | while :; do ln -s ../X11R6/include/X11 X11; done |
| 15:58.46 | tuomov | while :; do ln -s ../X11R6/lib/X11 X11; done |
| 15:58.51 | DanC | (IRC news item was in http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/19/ , fyi) |
| 15:58.52 | tuomov | in the background while running update, but it still dies without error |
| 15:59.04 | bendy24 | DanC: most likely politics... although im not too sure. i wasnt around. |
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| 15:59.24 | musashiden | stew: /usr/bin/gcj-wrapper-3.4 |
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| 16:00.31 | DanC | "Quite simply, the group which started OFTC was unhappy with the communications options available to Free Software and Open Source projects." -- http://www.oftc.net/oftc/FAQ/General_Questions . hmm. |
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| 16:00.58 | bendy24 | there you go |
| 16:00.58 | stew | musashiden: and what about "readlink -f $(which java)" ? |
| 16:01.13 | Tenkawa | Can someone tell me the proper chmod for /etc/shadow on a debian box |
| 16:01.16 | tuomov | Is there some "fuck the crappy install scripts and just unpack and mark installed" flag to dpkg? |
| 16:01.23 | Franky6 | compiling an app lacks gdk/gdkx.h what package has 'em ? |
| 16:01.41 | musashiden | stew: /usr/bin/java-sablevm |
| 16:01.53 | Tassium | tuomov: You can unpack the .deb (dpkg-deb), adjust/remove/edit the scriptage, and repackage it as a custom .deb file |
| 16:01.57 | stew | Tenkawa: chmod 640 ; chown root:shadow |
| 16:02.03 | tuomov | yeah, right |
| 16:02.13 | tuomov | If I wanted to do things like that, I'd use gentoo/other source distro |
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| 16:02.24 | Tassium | tuomov: *shrug* You asked. That's the only way I know of. |
| 16:02.43 | Tenkawa | thanks |
| 16:02.46 | tuomov | it's a _big_ mistake to not have such a flag |
| 16:02.53 | tuomov | it's the most essential flag to an install command |
| 16:02.57 | tuomov | because, face it, scripts are crap |
| 16:03.04 | tuomov | (and so source distros are twice the crap) |
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| 16:03.19 | stew | tuomov: what scripts? what exactly is going wrong? |
| 16:03.26 | Tassium | So, you want a binary package to unpack itself and set itself up without user intervention and also without running a script? |
| 16:03.30 | tuomov | read above |
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| 16:04.09 | stew | musashiden: i would maybe try switching to javac from sablevm? update-alternatives --config javac? or try a different runtime (update-alternatives --config java) |
| 16:04.10 | DanC | hmm... doing a weekly upgrade... I'm using apt-listbugs now, and it reports: |
| 16:04.10 | DanC | grave bugs of vlc (0.8.5-test3.debian-3 -> 0.8.5.debian-1) <done> |
| 16:04.10 | DanC | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.25 | Ronin | tuomov: who bout just a readers digest version of what your up to? :) |
| 16:04.27 | DanC | does vlc do anything that totem doesn't do? tracking multimedia stuff is challenging. |
| 16:04.43 | stew | tuomov: is there a bug# for this? |
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| 16:04.48 | tuomov | where's some paste thing? |
| 16:04.52 | stew | !paster |
| 16:04.52 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
| 16:04.56 | tuomov | the lisp paste thing eats letters |
| 16:05.05 | tuomov | (or maybe that's because I have no X..) |
| 16:05.14 | pm2 | I'm having some networking issues... I have a Debian DHCP server that functions fine for all but one computer on the network. On the problematic machine, it seems to send a DHCPDISCOVER, and the server sends a DHCPOFFER... but it doesn't actually get an IP. |
| 16:05.25 | pm2 | Why would this happen |
| 16:05.57 | tuomov | iki.fi/tuomov/sigh.txt |
| 16:05.58 | pm2 | The client says that dhcpcd times out while waiting for a valid DHCP response from the server |
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| 16:06.39 | Ronin | tuomov: and your not using apt again how come? i wasnt paying much attention earlier |
| 16:06.53 | Tenkawa | hmm |
| 16:06.54 | Ronin | let me rephrase that |
| 16:07.05 | tuomov | refresh, more info |
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| 16:07.39 | opqdonut | tuomov: it seems that the opera package is broken |
| 16:07.40 | stew | tuomov: remove the opera pacakge, it is the one causing the problem |
| 16:07.47 | Tenkawa | now I'm getting setgid: Operation not permitted |
| 16:07.54 | Tenkawa | when I ry to su |
| 16:07.56 | Tenkawa | er try |
| 16:08.03 | tuomov | this whole X symlinking thing is absolutely brain-damaged, btw. |
| 16:08.12 | tuomov | every time debian X strike force does something, the system breaks |
| 16:08.13 | stew | Tenkawa: what does "ls -l /bin/su" say? |
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| 16:08.26 | Gnea | tuomov: in sid? |
| 16:08.33 | Tenkawa | ah hhaa |
| 16:08.36 | Tenkawa | thats it |
| 16:08.39 | Tenkawa | no setuid bit |
| 16:08.44 | tuomov | testing, whatever it is |
| 16:08.56 | Tenkawa | thank ya |
| 16:09.04 | Gnea | testing, sid, it's all the same - if it's not stable, that's what you get for running it |
| 16:09.08 | Tenkawa | that fixed it |
| 16:09.09 | Tenkawa | thanks |
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| 16:09.31 | tuomov | yeah, well, stable is totally useless |
| 16:09.40 | Gnea | if you don't know how |
| 16:09.40 | stew | tuomov: no it isn't |
| 16:09.44 | tuomov | and ubuntu is too out-dated too |
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| 16:09.52 | Gnea | tuomov: how is it useless, exactly? |
| 16:09.55 | Ronin | ubuntu out dated? heh |
| 16:10.01 | tuomov | totally out-dated |
| 16:10.02 | SlayerXP | tuomov: unless you happen to want an extremely stable server platform. |
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| 16:10.09 | stew | tuomov: the symlink will go away. your opera pacakge is the one installing software to non-fhs compliant directories |
| 16:10.16 | Gnea | tuomov: you've never heard of backports then |
| 16:10.17 | aalex | Hi. How should I stop and start X ? |
| 16:10.20 | tuomov | I want the base system to be stable, but the non-essential software almost bleeding edge |
| 16:10.31 | Gnea | !backports |
| 16:10.31 | dpkg | well, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 16:10.41 | Gnea | tuomov: backports solves that problem, for the most part |
| 16:10.43 | rhalff | running unstable is completly useless if you need to manage more then 1 machine. |
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| 16:11.10 | musashiden | stew: nothing is working x_x |
| 16:11.37 | musashiden | i have installed almost every java related package |
| 16:11.42 | musashiden | yet i still get that error |
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| 16:13.07 | aalex | I need to stop and restart X. Should I just ctrl-alt-backspace or what ? And then, how do I start it again ? gdm ? |
| 16:13.11 | a-865 | does anyone know if there is a mailing list or irc channel for discussing http://www.debianhelp.org/ ? |
| 16:13.30 | cinix | aalex, I usually cntrl-alt-f1 to a console, then /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 16:13.43 | aalex | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.52 | opqdonut | aalex: how did you start x? |
| 16:14.04 | cinix | aalex, restart will stop and start for you |
| 16:14.22 | aalex | opqdonut: well, it starts automagically at startup |
| 16:14.28 | aalex | cinix: i need to stop it |
| 16:14.48 | aalex | ok, thanks |
| 16:14.59 | opqdonut | aalex: with a fancy graphical login prompt? then /etc/init.d/gdm stop|start|restart |
| 16:15.39 | aalex | tahnks all |
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| 16:16.06 | tuomov | how does backports work with apt-get? |
| 16:16.14 | tuomov | won't it just upgrade everything from there? |
| 16:16.24 | thingfish | tuomov: if you let it, it will. |
| 16:16.29 | tuomov | or does it know when I've installed from there, and only after that upgrade from there? |
| 16:16.41 | thingfish | tuomov: it's usually best to just get one or two items from backports. |
| 16:16.52 | tuomov | meaning what? |
| 16:16.59 | stew | musashiden: install jikes-sablevm sablevm ; "update-alternatives --config java" and choose sable; "update-alternatives --config jikes-sablevm" |
| 16:17.01 | tuomov | manually installing them? But i'm using debian specifically avoid that hell |
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| 16:17.28 | Tassium | tuomov: You've clearly got a lot of bias and assumption on your side. Read the apt-pinning howto, and learn about repositories and package priorities |
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| 16:17.34 | stew | tuomov: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
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| 16:17.50 | thingfish | tuomov: there are instructions on backports' site as to how to add it...thanks stew. |
| 16:17.54 | Gnea | http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 16:17.59 | stew | tuomov: where manually is "apt-get install -t sarge-backports" instead of just "apt-get install" |
| 16:17.59 | Gnea | oops |
| 16:18.04 | Gnea | stew beat me to it |
| 16:18.04 | tuomov | not much instructions there, just config options |
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| 16:18.15 | thingfish | ok... |
| 16:18.18 | tuomov | but after that install is done, will upgrade also get from backports? |
| 16:18.26 | kdean06 | Is there a SMP kernel availible for the i686 arch in the repos? If so, which repo? |
| 16:18.28 | Gnea | tuomov: that's all you need. |
| 16:18.36 | tuomov | doesn't answer the question. |
| 16:18.44 | stew | tuomov: after reading those instructions, what don't you know how to do? |
| 16:18.46 | Gnea | yes |
| 16:18.54 | Gnea | tuomov: have you tried it yet? |
| 16:18.56 | tuomov | does single upgrade suffice, or is it necessary to manually upgrade backports packages in addition to normal upgrade? |
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| 16:19.01 | tuomov | of course not |
| 16:19.02 | Gnea | tuomov: try it and find out. |
| 16:19.03 | tuomov | I'm on testing |
| 16:19.09 | tuomov | and it's way too much work to switch back to stable |
| 16:19.24 | Gnea | if you can try testing, you can try this. |
| 16:19.28 | tuomov | ruahahahah |
| 16:20.06 | Gnea | what's so funny? i already said yes |
| 16:20.08 | tuomov | takes so lot of time, and I got only one computer and other things to do |
| 16:20.23 | Gnea | then you need to learn how to manage your time better |
| 16:21.01 | tuomov | and then something will probably break anyway and so on.. |
| 16:21.09 | Gnea | yes, that's part of life |
| 16:21.12 | Gnea | nothing is perfect |
| 16:21.12 | tuomov | got too much settings here that probably won't transfer to stable and so on |
| 16:21.18 | tuomov | so it'd be best to start with a clean computer |
| 16:21.32 | Gnea | whatever suits you |
| 16:21.33 | tuomov | so I'm not going to just "try" it.. |
| 16:21.40 | Gnea | wuss |
| 16:21.48 | stew | Gnea: there is no need for name calling |
| 16:22.21 | Gnea | tuomov: sorry. |
| 16:22.23 | musashiden | stew: nothing :/ |
| 16:22.26 | tuomov | I've had this same installation from around 2000 |
| 16:22.36 | Gnea | .... |
| 16:22.37 | Gnea | it's 2006 |
| 16:22.55 | tuomov | and there's 6 years worth of configs and so on that are a lot of work to transfer back to stable |
| 16:23.00 | Gnea | tuomov: you are right, a reinstall of stable from the ground-up would be extremely beneficial |
| 16:23.13 | Gnea | backups |
| 16:23.18 | tuomov | but I don't want to do it _over_ this system |
| 16:23.39 | tuomov | that's the only possibility I have, though, that isn't a _lot_ of work |
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| 16:23.46 | cinix | time to treat yourself to a faster machine |
| 16:23.52 | tuomov | bah. |
| 16:23.58 | Gnea | eh |
| 16:24.02 | stew | tuomov: ok. then. time to move on... what is wrong with your current install? |
| 16:24.21 | tuomov | not sure if there's anything wrong right now |
| 16:24.33 | tuomov | things seemed to install after the 'opera' package was removed |
| 16:24.36 | tuomov | hmm.. no |
| 16:24.40 | tuomov | xterm still won't start |
| 16:24.48 | stew | tuomov: what error do you get? |
| 16:24.59 | tuomov | libice is missing |
| 16:25.37 | cinix | you should try and grab a backport of aptitude. the latest one is absolutely amazing at fixing dependencies compared to what's in sarge. |
| 16:25.50 | stew | tuomov: what is the output of "apt-cache policy libice6 xterm"? |
| 16:25.50 | cinix | don't know how I ever lived without it |
| 16:25.55 | tuomov | aptitude sucks, bwt. |
| 16:25.59 | tuomov | I very much preferred apt-get |
| 16:26.09 | tuomov | aptitude tries to be too smart |
| 16:26.16 | tuomov | and 'aptitude search' is totally worthless |
| 16:26.24 | tuomov | I must always revert back to apt-cache search to find anything |
| 16:26.25 | Gnea | tuomov: seriously, back your system up and reinstall - the amount of time it takes will easily justify the lack of headaches you'll have after it's done - after 6 years, I would imagine that you know how to backup a system and restore certain portions of it. |
| 16:26.30 | cinix | yea the one in sarge would try and purge your entire system if your not paying attention :-) |
| 16:26.37 | FromTO | anyone has gnome power manager working with ecth |
| 16:26.53 | cinix | FromTO, not sure, my ups started working, si that part of it? |
| 16:27.09 | Gnea | aptitude is not a fully functional replacement to apt |
| 16:27.28 | stew | Gnea: in what way? |
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| 16:27.40 | cinix | it doesn't get source files? can't reinstall over it? I'm not saying replace it, but it's great at fixing these dependency issues |
| 16:27.53 | cinix | can't apt-get moo |
| 16:28.11 | Gnea | stew: well, mostly for reasons that tuomov just stated. i can attest to that, everytime i upgrade, it proceeds to remove cvs, gedit and a few other programs. it shouldn't do that, and i shouldn't have to place them on hold or whatever. |
| 16:28.25 | stew | cinix: aptitude -v moo ; aptitude -vv moo ; aptitude -vvv moo ; etc |
| 16:28.39 | stew | Gnea: do you have a bug#? |
| 16:28.49 | cinix | Gnea, there's an option to keep it from removing orphaned packages, but it's generally at alot better if your using the one in etch |
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| 16:29.08 | Gnea | cinix: i run sid |
| 16:29.14 | cinix | stew, hehe that's awesome |
| 16:29.24 | cinix | hehe *sigh* |
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| 16:30.11 | Gnea | stew: i have not reported one, no. i want to learn more about aptitude before doing so... it hasn't been a big issue, so i've backburnered it in the meantime |
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| 16:30.36 | tuomov | where's libICE? |
| 16:30.45 | tuomov | libice6 is installed, but there's nothing |
| 16:30.50 | FromTO | how do I check whether software suspend is compiled in the kernel I just patched it, it says it's "ALL HAppy" and installed it. Used hibernate, it says software suspend is not compiled in the kernel |
| 16:30.56 | Gnea | tuomov: just apt-get install x-window-system |
| 16:31.07 | Gnea | tuomov: that'll take care of everything for X needs |
| 16:31.11 | tuomov | nothing |
| 16:31.17 | Gnea | what? |
| 16:31.23 | tuomov | didn't install anything |
| 16:31.25 | tuomov | all's installed |
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| 16:31.36 | tuomov | aptitude dist-upgrade also does nothing anymore |
| 16:31.40 | tuomov | and yet the system isn't working |
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| 16:31.54 | Gnea | tuomov: what isn't finding libice? |
| 16:32.01 | tuomov | xterm, or almost anything |
| 16:32.12 | Gnea | what else besides xterm? |
| 16:32.16 | tuomov | xmessage |
| 16:32.18 | opqdonut | tuomov: (btw you want x-window-system-core, not x-window-system) |
| 16:32.20 | stew | tuomov: what is the output of "apt-cache policy libice6 xterm"? |
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| 16:33.07 | tuomov | libice6: installed 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6, xterm: installed 210-3 |
| 16:33.10 | stew | x-window-system and x-window-system-core are just transitional packages to the xorg meta-package |
| 16:33.26 | stew | !info libice6 testing |
| 16:33.31 | dpkg | libice6: (Inter-Client Exchange library), section libs, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 224 kB, Installed size: 436 kB |
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| 16:34.14 | tuomov | reinstall seemed to get that |
| 16:34.18 | tuomov | I wonder what else is missing |
| 16:34.40 | stew | tuomov: perhaps you need to apt-get -f install and/or dpkg --configure -a |
| 16:34.45 | tuomov | can't wait for the day when I have to reboot X... |
| 16:34.56 | tuomov | aptitude reinstall libice6 seemed to do the job |
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| 16:35.38 | cr3 | how can I flush or clear the apt-cache? |
| 16:35.57 | stew | cr3: what do you mean exactly? |
| 16:36.25 | stew | !greycatsnack stew |
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| 16:36.39 | cr3 | stew: doesn't apt keep a cache of files somewhere under /var? I vaguely remember seeing a command to clear that cache |
| 16:36.46 | stew | :( that should have gotten me a peatnut butter cookie or something |
| 16:36.49 | tuomov | hmm.. this /usr/X11R6 -> /usr move is lame |
| 16:36.54 | Tim____ | apt-cache clean |
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| 16:36.54 | stew | cr3: apt-get clean |
| 16:36.57 | tuomov | it's totally to the opposite direction I'd want things go |
| 16:37.00 | resiak | Why? |
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| 16:37.02 | Tim____ | er, apt-get clean |
| 16:37.05 | stew | tuomov: what would you recommend instead? |
| 16:37.09 | tuomov | app. directories are the future, not this all-in-one-basket insanity |
| 16:37.11 | cr3 | stew: aha, thanks! I was looking up the apt-cache and dpkt manpages :( |
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| 16:38.03 | stew | tuomov: you mean /usr/bin should be split into one directory per application? |
| 16:38.18 | jelly-ho | Can I make apt-listbugs not show bugs which are <done>, ie. closed in the version I'm just about to upgrade to? |
| 16:38.20 | tuomov | well /usr/ or /debian-testing/, or whatever |
| 16:38.44 | tuomov | (as long as The Names Aren't This Complicated) |
| 16:38.50 | tuomov | (like on GoboLinux) |
| 16:38.58 | stew | tuomov: /usr/bin is too complicated? |
| 16:39.14 | tuomov | why put package directories under bin? |
| 16:39.22 | tuomov | bin should perhaps remain as a symlink or hard link directory for the binaries |
| 16:39.40 | Gnea | that makes no sense |
| 16:39.42 | tuomov | but the other files, they should stay separated |
| 16:39.44 | neoxan_ | every time you boot debian, you kill a litte panda baby: http://www.impleader.com/photos/blog/baby%20panda.jpg |
| 16:39.48 | tuomov | especially libraries should not be in one place |
| 16:39.53 | stew | tuomov: how many directories do you have under /usr/bin ? (find /usr/bin -type d) |
| 16:39.53 | tuomov | it's hell to link against a specific version |
| 16:40.06 | tuomov | sigh. |
| 16:40.09 | tuomov | why bin? |
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| 16:40.12 | Gnea | tuomov: you really need to reinstall :) |
| 16:40.27 | cinix | tuomov, now that they are in bin, they won't have to move again |
| 16:40.31 | cahoot | tuomov: you want it as in /usr/share/doc/ ? |
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| 16:40.59 | tuomov | you're talking of something quite different than I am |
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| 16:41.05 | tuomov | http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/b/archives/2005/12/23/T12_25_47/ |
| 16:41.09 | tuomov | I've written there about it |
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| 16:42.09 | jelly-ho | neoxan_: that's why I use swsusp! |
| 16:42.23 | stew | tuomov: "Almost all libraries go in /usr/bin/". can you give me an example? |
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| 16:42.34 | tuomov | /usr/lib |
| 16:42.49 | Gnea | tuomov: you said /usr/bin on your site |
| 16:42.54 | tuomov | sigh. now opera is missing.. |
| 16:42.56 | tuomov | well, typo, |
| 16:43.05 | Gnea | you should fix that. |
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| 16:43.36 | stew | tuomov: are you suggesting that instead of installing binaries in /usr/bin, we should maybe have a /usr/lib/somethihg directory for every somehting you install and then have the PATH variable altered for each new binary? |
| 16:43.53 | tuomov | No |
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| 16:44.20 | tuomov | packages should live entirely in their own directory trees |
| 16:44.30 | tuomov | only /usr/bin (or something like that) might exist for performance reasons |
| 16:44.38 | cinix | hehe /program_files/ |
| 16:44.49 | jelly-ho | no, /opt |
| 16:44.49 | Tassium | So, /usr/firefox/bin /usr/firefox/etc /usr/firefox/lib ? |
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| 16:44.59 | tuomov | yep |
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| 16:45.16 | jelly-ho | tuomov: both ways have their strengths and weaknesses. |
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| 16:45.21 | tuomov | for etc. there might be better to be a system directory, however |
| 16:45.27 | tuomov | as /etc is even now separate from /usr |
| 16:45.34 | tuomov | application defaults could reside in their trees, however |
| 16:45.39 | Gnea | i mean, it looks stupid to begin with, so it may help you look slightly less stupid, but it's just really stupid in the first place. you present an argument and provide hardly any technical data to back it up. besides, gobolinux is gobolinux, if debian started doing what gobolinux does, it wouldn't be debian anymore. please, be careful how you word things. |
| 16:45.44 | jelly-ho | tuomov: how would you deal with shared configuration files? |
| 16:45.55 | stew | tuomov: so what would you change about the current firefox package for instance? it installs binaries to /usr/lib/firefox, arch indep files to /usr/share/firefox |
| 16:46.08 | tuomov | current firefox? dump the gnome brain damage?-) |
| 16:46.25 | stew | tuomov: no, i mean wrt to your complaint about /usr/bin |
| 16:46.45 | tuomov | it should reside in its own tree, to keep the packages (especially library packages!) separate, and allow for _multiple versions_ |
| 16:47.12 | stew | tuomov: do you not see the benefit of separating binaries from arch independent files? |
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| 16:47.38 | tuomov | that's quite minor benefit |
| 16:47.42 | tuomov | space is cheap |
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| 16:48.10 | tuomov | and you could even have /usr/pkg/packagename/bin-arch/ etc. |
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| 16:48.37 | jelly-ho | tuomov: now THAT's a minor benefit. |
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| 16:48.39 | suicida | stop highlighting me!!! |
| 16:48.42 | tuomov | with the symlinks in /usr/bin pointing to the right binary |
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| 16:49.40 | stew | tuomov: so your big complaint is that packages are split into /usr/share/packagename and /usr/lib/packagename intead of /usr/packagename/bin-archan /usr/packagename/share or something? |
| 16:50.02 | tuomov | the biggest complaint is that multiple versions can't live in the current all in one basket hell together |
| 16:50.36 | tuomov | it's cleanest to separate the by app directories instead of versioning every file, and adding to gcc an option to select a particular version of a library and so on |
| 16:50.55 | tuomov | just put the correct version on the search path, and that's it! |
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| 16:51.53 | stew | sounds like a support nightmare to me |
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| 16:52.08 | Tassium | tuomov: How come you haven't made a distribution that does this, as you feel so strongly about it? |
| 16:52.19 | tuomov | on what time? |
| 16:52.37 | tuomov | I'll probably just switch to windows anyway soon, as linux keeps getting worse and worse.. |
| 16:52.47 | Jacobo221 | i'm trying to install vmware but i get a message about "different address space" when building the vmmet module (i am using a vanilla kernel). anyone gone through this same problem? |
| 16:53.00 | Gnea | tuomov: it only gets as bad as you make it. |
| 16:53.13 | Gnea | tuomov: if you don't have the time, STFU |
| 16:53.23 | tuomov | Gnea: you have some serious attitude problem |
| 16:53.33 | Gnea | tuomov: no, that would be your problem. |
| 16:53.37 | tuomov | not everyone has the time to geek around tuning a distro all the time |
| 16:53.42 | Gnea | exactly. |
| 16:53.59 | tuomov | and that's what you're suggesting |
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| 16:54.30 | Gnea | but you seem to have the time to waltz into irc channels and complain about them, when you could be using that time to do something constructive about it. |
| 16:54.43 | tuomov | that's because my distro is broken! |
| 16:54.52 | Gnea | that's because you broke it! |
| 16:55.00 | tuomov | no, the update procedure broke it |
| 16:55.19 | Gnea | a lack of knowledge on your part also contributed. |
| 16:55.24 | simonrvn | no, you broke it. you ran it ;) |
| 16:55.36 | tuomov | sigh |
| 16:55.41 | tuomov | so now I should be a debian expert then too? |
| 16:55.43 | simonrvn | hehe *grin* |
| 16:56.06 | simonrvn | nah, not expert, just polite ;) |
| 16:56.17 | Gnea | tuomov: you ran the command, you let it happen, you didn't do anything about it. your fingers clearly typed the commands out. the problem resulted from your end. |
| 16:56.48 | simonrvn | ok ok. blaming him/her over and over is not going to fix his/her problem |
| 16:56.49 | tuomov | *sigh* this visit here just confirms what I've learned about big projects' channels (and the last visit here). bye. |
| 16:56.51 | stew | ok. let's please try to keep this constructive |
| 16:56.51 | Gnea | tuomov: after 6 years, at least something of a clue as to the evolution of the distribution |
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| 16:57.01 | Tassium | Yep, we got trolled. |
| 16:57.15 | simonrvn | he set himself up |
| 16:57.20 | Gnea | totally |
| 16:57.32 | Gnea | i think i know who that is, too :) |
| 16:57.47 | simonrvn | came in with a bad attitude. people responding to that instead of brushing it off worsened it |
| 16:58.04 | Gnea | wait, no, it's not who i think it is |
| 16:58.21 | Gnea | simonrvn: hey, he left on his own accord. fuckit, let's move on. |
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| 16:59.06 | simonrvn | you need a thick skin |
| 16:59.14 | Gnea | yup |
| 16:59.16 | Ronin | yep played us well heh |
| 16:59.33 | Gnea | he's an idiot, really |
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| 17:01.57 | ug | I just installed the debian base system, I did not select desktop environment, what packages do i need to install in order to get a desktop to come up? gdm, gnome, what else? |
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| 17:02.28 | Gnea | ug: a window manager, for starters |
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| 17:02.56 | stew | ug: you can run tasksel now to choose desktop environment, or use the tasks in aptitude to install a desktop environment |
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| 17:04.30 | ug | ok thanks stew |
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| 17:05.47 | jelly-ho | should I file bugreports on packages having stuff in /usr/X11R6/bin? |
| 17:07.29 | cahoot | jelly: isn't that already symlinked to /usr/bin? |
| 17:07.52 | stew | jelly-ho: ask in #debian-x |
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| 17:08.08 | jelly-ho | cahoot: I got a debconf screen announcing it couldn't remove the dir and make the link. |
| 17:08.20 | jelly-ho | stew: gotcha, thanks. |
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| 17:08.29 | cahoot | jelly-ho: opera ther? |
| 17:08.45 | jelly-ho | cahoot: yes, but also some debian cruft. |
| 17:08.50 | giorgian | hi, is it much pain updating from xfree86 4.3.0 to xorg 7.0.20? |
| 17:09.02 | simulcra | hello |
| 17:09.08 | simulcra | how do i detect my external modem? |
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| 17:11.26 | stew | giorgian: its completely painless for some and painful for others, http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 17:12.21 | musashiden | hmmm |
| 17:12.37 | musashiden | does anyone know where i can get an alternative link to jdk-1_5_0_07-linux-i586.bin ? |
| 17:12.40 | giorgian | stew: thanks |
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| 17:12.55 | musashiden | i cant download it from the official site because "the name is too long" |
| 17:13.00 | musashiden | using wget |
| 17:13.20 | jelly-ho | cahoot: It was opera, an old X server symlink and a package "xpostitplus" that has apparently been removed from the archive in the meantime. |
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| 17:14.00 | cahoot | jelly-ho: just that I stumbled on that one too |
| 17:14.04 | stew | musashiden: its either impossible or difficult to download a jdk from sun using wget becuase you need to submit forms and retain cookies, do it with a real browser |
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| 17:16.15 | jelly-ho | cahoot: i'll just edit opera.list so that it doesn't delete the symlink when I upgrade it. Other files are remnants of packages not in archive any more. |
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| 17:20.31 | zenwryly | The hardware clock on my laptop is *way* too fast. Is there a way to adjust the hardware clock running speed? I don't mean just change the time to correct it, but actually change how fast it runs? |
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| 17:21.43 | mattl | our sarge install is identfying itself as 'testing' - for example, if i run apt-setup and pick a new mirror, it pins to the 'testing' release on that server... we've been using sarge since it was testing - how can i fix this? |
| 17:21.44 | Roadrunner1985 | hello. i have a problem my my debian sarge 3.1 |
| 17:21.46 | stew | zenwryly: not likely. however ntp will track your clock drift over time and compensate for it, try installing ntp-simple |
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| 17:22.17 | Roadrunner1985 | i cant reboot my system with shutdown -r now |
| 17:22.26 | mattl | Roadrunner1985: any errors? |
| 17:22.30 | Tassium | Roadrunner1985: What happens when you try? |
| 17:22.45 | dutche- | only root can do that? |
| 17:22.48 | dutche- | :) |
| 17:22.50 | Roadrunner1985 | if i try, there comes these standard massage |
| 17:22.59 | zenwryly | stew: ok, thanks |
| 17:22.59 | Roadrunner1985 | but nothing happens |
| 17:23.01 | Tassium | Oooh, a massage.. |
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| 17:23.21 | Roadrunner1985 | Yea. System is going to halt NOW! or something like that |
| 17:23.22 | mattl | Roadrunner1985: what does 'reboot' do? |
| 17:23.22 | dutche- | ohhh right, that explain all |
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| 17:23.57 | Roadrunner1985 | i don't know. since i tryed to shutdown the server is very slow! i need maybe an alf hour to login with ssh |
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| 17:24.30 | Roadrunner1985 | sorry for my bad english |
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| 17:24.54 | mattl | Roadrunner1985: do you have physical access to the box? can you power cycle it/ |
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| 17:25.28 | Roadrunner1985 | @ mattl. this is the problem. it is an vserver from netclusive. |
| 17:25.45 | Roadrunner1985 | so i cant power off it. |
| 17:25.52 | mattl | Roadrunner1985: ask netclusive to power cycle for you. |
| 17:26.16 | Roadrunner1985 | i also cant phone them at the moment. because of this free day. |
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| 17:28.16 | mattl | Roadrunner1985: sorry, what's a free day? |
| 17:28.38 | Roadrunner1985 | we have pfingsten here in germany :D |
| 17:29.16 | Ronin | and that is what Roadrunner1985? |
| 17:29.23 | Roadrunner1985 | uff |
| 17:30.18 | Roadrunner1985 | it is a holiday |
| 17:31.03 | Roadrunner1985 | so here most people must not work. netclusive too :( |
| 17:31.16 | Gnea | The Pfingstfest, also designation as \u201ebirthday of the church \u201c, is coined/shaped by special religious celebrations. |
| 17:31.30 | Roadrunner1985 | thanks gnea |
| 17:31.42 | Gnea | :) |
| 17:31.58 | Ronin | intersting that a company doesnt have someone on call regardless of teh day |
| 17:31.59 | Roadrunner1985 | my english is not so good to translate it by myself. :) |
| 17:32.12 | Gnea | Roadrunner1985: i just used google ;) |
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| 17:32.25 | Gnea | Ronin: it's kinda like easter sunday |
| 17:32.31 | Roadrunner1985 | ahhh :D nice gnea |
| 17:32.43 | Gnea | but, for germany |
| 17:32.44 | Ronin | course we dont have anyone on call christmas day and boxing day either |
| 17:32.56 | Gnea | yeah |
| 17:33.08 | Ronin | but we're special we're govt and not private sector |
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| 17:33.34 | Roadrunner1985 | it is silly that there is nobody to help. at the fact u use the Virtuozzo Power Panel to reinstall the vps. but it crashed comepletly |
| 17:33.34 | Gnea | oh really |
| 17:33.59 | gary_ | hello can i get some help please ...i jest installed etch the only why i can start xserver is to be at root and not user i help pl... |
| 17:34.30 | Roadrunner1985 | login with your username |
| 17:34.36 | Roadrunner1985 | than type su |
| 17:34.43 | goron | My memory is almost full, but it seems it's not freed in some application. Where can I see what uses most? |
| 17:34.50 | Gnea | gary_: why can't you start it as user? |
| 17:34.52 | Roadrunner1985 | and init 5 |
| 17:35.11 | Roadrunner1985 | if this was wrong please change it. ;) |
| 17:35.32 | gary_ | Gnea, i don't know |
| 17:35.37 | stew | there might be a #debian-gnome or #gnome-debian there, there at least used to be |
| 17:35.41 | stew | ugh |
| 17:35.48 | Tassium | gary_: I think Gnea meant what happens when you try to start x as a user |
| 17:36.43 | Roadrunner1985 | maybe only root can start ...... |
| 17:36.49 | goron | nm, I have got the memory back... |
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| 17:37.35 | Gnea | gary_: what command are you using? |
| 17:37.38 | gary_ | user not authorized to run xserver |
| 17:37.56 | cds | How do I set my clock for daylight savings? |
| 17:38.00 | gary_ | startx |
| 17:38.09 | stew | gary_: is this a fresh etch install or an upgrade? |
| 17:38.09 | Roadrunner1985 | okay. so there is no way to finish my problem. than i must phone tomorrow. guys, thanks for the help. |
| 17:38.11 | simulcra | hello, how do i detect my external modem? thanks |
| 17:38.24 | Gnea | Roadrunner1985: good luck |
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| 17:38.36 | gary_ | yes it is |
| 17:38.42 | stew | gary_: can you tell me what the output of "ls -l /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config" is? |
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| 17:38.59 | Gnea | simulcra: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.4 |
| 17:39.00 | gary_ | thats it |
| 17:39.04 | Roadrunner1985 | thanks Gnea. bye bye |
| 17:39.08 | stew | gary_: did you install etch from the beta installer or install sarge then upgrade? |
| 17:39.28 | simulcra | thanks Gnea |
| 17:39.29 | gary_ | beta |
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| 17:40.16 | Alam_Debian | bzip2 a 2GB file? |
| 17:41.26 | gary_ | well how can i fix it :) |
| 17:41.35 | Tassium | Alam_Debian: That works real well if the file is all 0s |
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| 17:41.50 | stew | 13:42 <stew> gary_: can you tell me what the output of "ls -l /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config" is? |
| 17:41.53 | stew | 4 |
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| 17:42.28 | gary_ | brb |
| 17:42.29 | Alam_Debian | how about bzip2 this? "dd if=/dev/sda of=M3.dd" |
| 17:42.47 | gary_ | quit |
| 17:43.03 | Tassium | Alam_Debian: Is pwd on /dev/sda anywhere? |
| 17:43.17 | Alam_Debian | pwd? |
| 17:43.44 | Tassium | present working directory |
| 17:43.52 | Alam_Debian | ~ |
| 17:44.20 | Alam_Debian | /dev/sda is the SD card |
| 17:44.26 | Alam_Debian | unmounted |
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| 17:45.37 | stew | Alam_Debian: is your question just how to get a bziped image of /dev/sda? |
| 17:46.10 | Alam_Debian | yea the correct way |
| 17:46.38 | stew | Alam_Debian: "bzip2 -c /dev/sda > /path/to/sda.bz2" should work |
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| 17:47.33 | Alam_Debian | I did "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=~/M3.dd && bzip2 M3.dd" so my brother can have back the SD card, this should do the same effect, right? |
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| 17:48.37 | stew | Alam_Debian: that is essentially the same, it however only gets the first partition instead of the whold disk, if that matters |
| 17:49.02 | Alam_Debian | I just need the first(and only) patition |
| 17:50.06 | Tassium | Would there be an issue restoring that? |
| 17:51.04 | stew | Tassium: it should be restored to a partition identically sized to the original |
| 17:51.10 | stew | Tassium: but otherwise no |
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| 17:51.30 | Tassium | stew: Thank ya kindly |
| 17:51.37 | cds | Here's one... |
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| 17:51.49 | cds | I have problems with fonts sometimes looking blocky and big. |
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| 17:51.52 | cds | Google gave me this: |
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| 17:51.55 | cds | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TT-Debian-3.html |
| 17:51.56 | merak | dpkg gpg |
| 17:51.57 | dpkg | well, gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
| 17:51.59 | jason^ | is there a command to see what files are in a package or what package a file belongs to? |
| 17:51.59 | cds | I have xfs installed. |
| 17:52.09 | cds | But /etc/X11/xfs/config doesn't exist. |
| 17:52.11 | cds | Anyone? |
| 17:52.13 | Tassium | jason^: dpkg --help ;) |
| 17:52.29 | abrotman | jason^: man dpkg .. dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 17:52.33 | abrotman | !tell jason^ about refcard |
| 17:52.37 | merak | man dpkg |
| 17:52.40 | merak | sorry |
| 17:52.44 | merak | :) |
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| 17:53.19 | lewis | how do you 'empty' a file? i.e. test.txt has two lines in it, and I want the contents deleted, but the file in place... |
| 17:53.53 | zxsykco | dpkg etc/rcS.d/S36discover: line 204: 423 Segmentation fault |
| 17:54.02 | vulture | lewis: "echo > your_file" perhaps? |
| 17:54.11 | Tassium | lewis: cat /dev/null > test.txt |
| 17:54.46 | lewis | oooh - choices choices |
| 17:55.01 | vulture | well they aren't quite the same - Tassium's version creates a truely empty file |
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| 17:55.13 | lewis | ok, for the bonus round: how do you count the number of lines in a file: cat file.txt | wc -l ??? |
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| 17:55.15 | Tassium | Go me! Woo! |
| 17:55.15 | musashiden | hmmm |
| 17:55.20 | vulture | mine creates a file with a newline (which is an empty text file on any unix system - text files are always newline terminated) |
| 17:55.25 | musashiden | is there a command to see what process is using the most memory? |
| 17:55.30 | vulture | lewis: why do you choose to use "cat" there? |
| 17:55.33 | Tassium | musashiden: top, then sort by memory usage |
| 17:55.34 | stew | lewis: just wc -l file.txt |
| 17:55.50 | lewis | appreciated. |
| 17:55.56 | musashiden | Tassium: i'm still missing 1.5GB of ram |
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| 17:56.07 | zxsykco | musashiden ps-aux|less |
| 17:56.08 | stew | musashiden: top ; then hit "M" to sort by memory |
| 17:56.15 | stew | musashiden: what do you mean missing? |
| 17:56.17 | Tassium | musashiden: What's free say? |
| 17:56.19 | jazon | hi all. can i connect to a router that i want to configure (via lan) while connected to the net via wifi? the router i want to configure is 192.168.15.1 and my router i connect to wifi is 192.168.1.1 |
| 17:56.27 | zxsykco | I meant, musashiden, ps -aux|less |
| 17:57.20 | Tassium | jazon: Are you asking if you can be connected to wifi and a wired NIC at the same time? |
| 17:57.23 | musashiden | stew: Mem: 2076368k total, 1938800k used, 137568k free, 114072k buffers |
| 17:57.41 | musashiden | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.50 | jazon | Tassium: yes, i want to tell firefox that for 192.168.15.1 to use lan0 and NOT ath0 (for example) |
| 17:57.51 | musashiden | thats the process with the most memory usage |
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| 17:58.07 | musashiden | so what happened to the other 1.9GB of ram? |
| 17:58.50 | Tassium | jazon: Well you said your wifi is 192.168.1.1...and the wired is 192.168.15.1, so.. What's the probleM? |
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| 17:59.18 | zxsykco | I keep trying to install debian sarge 3.1r_2 DVD and I get the error "etc/rcS.d/S36discover: line 204: 423 Segmentation fault" just prior to system lock, any ideas why I might be seeing this happen? |
| 17:59.22 | jazon | Tassium: when i open firefox and enter 192.168.15.1 it won't load |
| 17:59.38 | Tassium | jazon: What IP did you give your wired NIC? |
| 17:59.41 | musashiden | stew: also, how come i dont have any swap? |
| 17:59.43 | jetscreamer | hey glxgears quit outputting fps to the xterm a while back how to fix |
| 17:59.44 | musashiden | Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 1199620k cached |
| 17:59.44 | jazon | Tassium: it is trying to resolve that address via wifi |
| 17:59.53 | musashiden | :/ |
| 18:00.02 | no0ke | what type of file is .daa ? |
| 18:00.04 | jazon | Tassium: my wired lan has ip of 192.168.15.99 |
| 18:00.04 | musashiden | i think the cache swap is using all my memory |
| 18:00.16 | jetscreamer | !free |
| 18:00.16 | dpkg | from memory, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
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| 18:00.53 | merak | how do I get to results of my questions like instaling a gpg key in irssi? |
| 18:01.08 | Tassium | merak: There is an #irssi channel |
| 18:01.09 | jazon | merak: pencil :p |
| 18:01.14 | t35t0r | anyone know how to set a central plugin directory environment variable for opera? OPERA_PLUGIN_PATH doesn't work |
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| 18:01.34 | musashiden | anyone please help me? |
| 18:02.02 | jetscreamer | !guru |
| 18:02.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, guru is (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades ... |
| 18:02.04 | Tassium | musashiden: Did you partition any swap area? |
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| 18:02.21 | musashiden | Tassium: i dont think so. since it says 0 |
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| 18:02.56 | Tassium | musashiden: Just because you have no swap active doesn't mean there isn't a swap partition |
| 18:03.00 | Tassium | Use fdisk and find out |
| 18:03.08 | cds | How do I get my default font smaller? |
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| 18:03.44 | musashiden | Tassium: |
| 18:03.53 | musashiden | err, hold on, let me use the paste bin |
| 18:04.07 | jazon | Tassium: is there a way to tell firefox or konqueror that i want it to use lan0 instead of ath0 |
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| 18:04.32 | musashiden | Tassium: http://pastebin.com/760264 |
| 18:04.48 | Tassium | jazon: I really think you need to check your IP addresses. Firefox doesn't give a damn which interface it uses, that's not up to the application |
| 18:04.59 | josep | is there any way to know the age of a debian system? |
| 18:05.02 | jetscreamer | ath is for atheros chipsets iirc |
| 18:05.18 | jetscreamer | if that helps |
| 18:05.32 | Tassium | musashiden: Ok, so you've got a swap partition. mkswap it, then swapon it, then edit /etc/fstab so it'llb e used automagically next boot |
| 18:05.32 | musashiden | Tassium: i guess i do have a swap partition. but how do i assign it to debian? |
| 18:05.35 | musashiden | ok |
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| 18:05.50 | jazon | Tassium: then why cant i access my 192.168.15.1 router |
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| 18:06.09 | Tassium | jazon: Show us the results of ifconfig |
| 18:06.16 | Tassium | (Use a pastebin or other pasting facility) |
| 18:06.23 | musashiden | Tassium: which one? sda2 or sda5? |
| 18:06.26 | jazon | musashiden: mkswap sda# (be careful) |
| 18:06.32 | jazon | musashiden: then swapon |
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| 18:06.56 | Tassium | musashiden: Er, only sda5 is swap |
| 18:07.38 | Tassium | I'm not sure what you're trying to do with sda2 |
| 18:08.11 | musashiden | hmm |
| 18:08.44 | jetscreamer | ah moved to oftc |
| 18:08.49 | musashiden | my /etc/fstab doesnt say sda1 or sda5, it says hde1 and hde5 |
| 18:09.29 | musashiden | so should i do mkswap sda# or mkswap hde# ? |
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| 18:10.35 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 18:10.35 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:10.58 | musashiden | oh well..i'm just gonna do sda5 instead of hde5 |
| 18:11.22 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 18:12.32 | musashiden | hey Tassium: what did you say i had to do to /etc/fstab so it was a swap partition when i rebooted? |
| 18:13.08 | Tassium | musashiden: You'll need to modify this line to suit your system. |
| 18:13.10 | Tassium | musashiden: /dev/hda1 none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 18:14.36 | musashiden | http://pastebin.com/760295 |
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| 18:14.54 | musashiden | thats what my /etc/fstab looks like |
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| 18:15.16 | Tassium | musashiden: I'm seeing an interesting mix of SCSI and ATA in your box |
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| 18:15.29 | musashiden | its all sata |
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| 18:15.48 | musashiden | should i change the fstab to be sda instead of hde ? |
| 18:16.06 | Tassium | Ok, stop |
| 18:16.11 | Tassium | What partition did you mkswap? |
| 18:16.17 | musashiden | sda5 |
| 18:16.22 | Tassium | Then that's what goes in /etc/fstab |
| 18:16.56 | jelly-ho | Dear #debian, I've upgraded my etch installation, installed udev and removed hotplug, and now I have no /dev/sda (my first and only, sata hard drive). Should I worry? |
| 18:17.00 | musashiden | i really hope this doesnt break it. hehe |
| 18:18.16 | musashiden | Tassium: http://pastebin.com/760305 |
| 18:18.23 | musashiden | so it should look like this? |
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| 18:19.17 | musashiden | hello? |
| 18:19.29 | mirak | where am I supposed to put "dmesg -n 1" to have it enabled at boot ? |
| 18:19.42 | Tassium | I'm not sure. To be honest, I'm somewhat confused by the mixture of drives you've got. |
| 18:20.08 | musashiden | maybe i should change it back to hde5 then... |
| 18:20.22 | Tassium | *facepalm* Do you have a swap partition at hde5? |
| 18:20.42 | musashiden | thats what the fstab says... |
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| 18:21.05 | abrotman | again! |
| 18:21.07 | musashiden | but fsdisk -l says sda5 |
| 18:21.10 | abrotman | musashiden: what'd you do this time? |
| 18:21.27 | musashiden | abrotman: nothing....yet |
| 18:21.30 | essobi__ | How do you manually select which server to install from with a netboot disk? |
| 18:21.31 | lanchow | is this the end of buffer overflow with libc6 ? |
| 18:21.33 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.59 | Tassium | mirak: If so, you can probably do that with hdparm |
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| 18:22.40 | Tassium | mirak: hdparm -B, I think.. |
| 18:22.40 | mirak | Tassium: yes with hdparm -Y or something like that, but I was wondering if there is some way to do it |
| 18:22.40 | musashiden | abrotman: i'm trying to install the swap. but fsdisk says that the swap partion is sda5, but /etc/fstab says its hde5 |
| 18:22.41 | mirak | automatically |
| 18:22.50 | stew | mirak: you might look at the laptop-mode-tools package |
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| 18:23.02 | musashiden | abrotman: should i change fstab to say sda5 ? |
| 18:23.15 | Tassium | musashiden: /etc/fstab is just a text file. Tell us what actual drives you have, and where they are. |
| 18:23.26 | mirak | stew: ok |
| 18:23.40 | musashiden | but fsdisk says otherwise |
| 18:23.58 | Tassium | musashiden: Have you got more than one drive, or is this all one hard disk? |
| 18:24.13 | musashiden | just one 200GB SATA hard drive |
| 18:24.14 | stew | mirak: you will need to edit its config, i beilieve it comes by default to only spin down drives when on batteries, which is probably not what you want unless you are actually on a laptop |
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| 18:24.31 | Tassium | musashiden: And if you type 'mount', what have you got mounted right now? |
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| 18:25.03 | musashiden | http://pastebin.com/760325 |
| 18:25.06 | mirak | stew: I just want my windows drive to be put in standby mode. it would be nice also for my digital audio player hard drive. I don't know if it would work on usb |
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| 18:25.27 | Tassium | heh, more /dev/hde |
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| 18:26.05 | musashiden | should i mount the new swap partition? |
| 18:26.27 | Cacious | how can i avoid people connect to my system using ssh? |
| 18:26.43 | Tassium | Cacious: Set your firewall to only allow connections from the sites you want. |
| 18:26.54 | musashiden | Cacious: or you can change the ssh port |
| 18:27.12 | fabiene | modernizing today mine debian etch one jams to me X: waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. (excused for my English bad one) |
| 18:27.32 | musashiden | Tassium: should i mount the new swap partition? |
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| 18:27.55 | Tassium | Cacious: Then set sshd to not allow passwords, use keys instead.. Then set up a list of allowed groups to log in, and only set the users you want to be able to log in to be members of that group |
| 18:27.55 | abrotman | musashiden: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 18:28.13 | Cacious | can i close the ssh connection to my system?? |
| 18:28.23 | musashiden | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/760336 |
| 18:28.30 | Tassium | abrotman: I'm a little confused by the mix of /dev/hde and /dev/sda musashiden has in that box. I'm guessing maybe it's an ide-scsi module thing, but I don't know. |
| 18:28.35 | musashiden | Cacious: kill sshd |
| 18:28.51 | fryfrog | stupid debian question: how does one obtain the debian unstable kernel source / config? I've apt-get installed the linux-source-2.6.15 and headers and copied the config-2.6.15 from /boot to /usr/src/linux |
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| 18:29.17 | fryfrog | but i still get an error when installing vmware complaining that version 2.6.15 != 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 18:30.47 | musashiden | anybody? |
| 18:31.57 | Cacious | musashiden: if i do like that ... wat myself i cant use the user@localhost even .... is n`t it? |
| 18:32.30 | abrotman | Tassium: he went from a 2.4 to a 2.6 .. |
| 18:32.46 | musashiden | Cacious: right, but you said you wanted to close ssh :P |
| 18:32.51 | abrotman | musashiden: so in your fstab .. it currently says hde5 ? |
| 18:32.59 | musashiden | abrotman: yeah |
| 18:33.06 | Tassium | abrotman: Yeah, hde5 is currently mounted as / |
| 18:33.14 | abrotman | musashiden: which kernel are you in ? |
| 18:33.31 | musashiden | 2.6 |
| 18:33.43 | Tassium | abrotman: The output of 'mount' is at http://pastebin.com/760325 |
| 18:33.58 | musashiden | and here is my fstab: http://pastebin.com/760346 |
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| 18:36.26 | musashiden | i'm gonna try mounting sda5... |
| 18:36.45 | Tassium | musashiden: You don't mount swap space, per se. Use swapon |
| 18:37.23 | jetscreamer | sudo swapon -a |
| 18:37.51 | musashiden | swapon: /dev/hde5: No such device or address |
| 18:37.56 | Tassium | jetscreamer: That won't work unless he's appropriately edited /etc/fstab.. And I'm not sure that's happened. (see?) |
| 18:38.13 | musashiden | let me change fstab then |
| 18:38.37 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/partitions |
| 18:38.41 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 18:38.46 | musashiden | Swap: 2714944k total, 0k used, 2714944k free, 1216496k cached |
| 18:38.48 | fabiene | no solution to my problem? |
| 18:38.51 | musashiden | i guess it worked |
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| 18:39.44 | jetscreamer | fabiene: it's ignorable, but you could comment out the line in xorg.conf if you just had to. |
| 18:39.52 | Cacious | musashiden: but...i need to disable the person to login (using ssh)frm a particular address (IP) |
| 18:40.00 | jetscreamer | 'should' still load the other instance |
| 18:40.19 | fryfrog | Cacious: /etc/hosts.deny? |
| 18:40.26 | jetscreamer | fabiene: i get that one a lot, and just ignore it |
| 18:40.48 | musashiden | Cacious: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/87 |
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| 18:41.58 | jetscreamer | fabiene: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/fonts.html |
| 18:42.01 | shogunx | Cacious denyhosts is a great app for that, which writes to /etc/hosts.deny. you could also iptables them out. |
| 18:42.17 | jetscreamer | actually ftp://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/fonts.html is probably nicer looking |
| 18:42.30 | musashiden | Tassium: do i need to modify anything on the fstab file so it mounts it as a swap partition when i reboot? |
| 18:42.43 | jetscreamer | musashiden: not if swapon -a worked |
| 18:42.50 | musashiden | yeah, it worked |
| 18:42.54 | jetscreamer | then you're ok |
| 18:43.03 | musashiden | :) |
| 18:43.49 | OleMoudi | nice -n 20 command is assigning high or low priority to the process ?? |
| 18:44.20 | fryfrog | the lower the number, the higher priority. so that is very very low priority. i think :) |
| 18:44.32 | fryfrog | ie, -20 = high priority? 20 = low? |
| 18:44.41 | FromTO | can someone help with software suspend. If it is working please tell me exactly what you have done. I followed the instruction from the website but it's not working |
| 18:44.45 | fryfrog | i probably got it backwards though |
| 18:45.00 | fabiene | jetscreamer: I have already reconfigurato xorg with: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:45.01 | fabiene | this has not been the just solution |
| 18:45.09 | fryfrog | -20 (most favorable scheduling) to 19 (least favorable). |
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| 18:45.24 | fryfrog | from "man nice" |
| 18:45.58 | jetscreamer | fabiene: i mean edit manually and comment out the offending font path |
| 18:46.12 | jetscreamer | then only one should be loaded |
| 18:46.21 | jetscreamer | note the 'should' |
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| 18:48.32 | flux | hello :) after a blackout, my harddrive has problem (lots of partition won't mount)... but my /home is able to be mounted... |
| 18:48.39 | Cacious | is it possible to launch a program on to GUI using a remote terminal(not gnome-terminal)??? |
| 18:48.47 | flux | however, when i "ls -l" in this /home , i get : |
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| 18:48.53 | flux | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 49152 2005-12-09 21:57 lost+found |
| 18:48.57 | flux | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? tmp/franck |
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| 18:49.16 | flux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.37 | flux | does anyone know a clue to be able to recover my files ? |
| 18:50.16 | flux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.17 | flux | /home: recovering journal |
| 18:50.17 | flux | fsck.ext3: unable to set superblock flags on /home |
| 18:51.06 | jetscreamer | shutdown - |
| 18:51.08 | jetscreamer | err |
| 18:51.15 | jetscreamer | shutdown -Fr now maybe, but i don't know |
| 18:51.18 | flux | Cacious: DISPLAY=:0 program |
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| 18:52.09 | flux | jetscreamer: i had to reinstall debian on an other harddrive that a friend lend me.... |
| 18:52.34 | flux | i mount old partition on a new debian, cause at boot, : grub -> Error 17 |
| 18:52.49 | flux | can't even boot on the old debian/harddrive |
| 18:52.52 | beered | now that xserver-xorg 7.0.20 is in testing how much longer do we have to wait for compiz? |
| 18:53.13 | abrotman | beered: it's not even in sid yet |
| 18:53.17 | abrotman | or experimental afaik |
| 18:53.28 | flux | so if I shutdown -F , it won't fsck the "right" HD/partitions... |
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| 18:54.35 | beered | abrotman: no interest in it, or its just because it's in alpha-ish stage? |
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| 18:56.39 | stew | beered: you'll definately have to wait until after 7.1, and probably you'll have to wait until Xgl has actually been released. 0.0.1 of xgl hasn't yet been released |
| 18:57.45 | beered | stew: 6-8 months? |
| 18:58.03 | stew | beered: i have no idea when they might decide to make a release |
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| 18:59.25 | coax | is it possible to tell apt that a package is installed event thoug it's not? |
| 18:59.28 | abrotman | beered: it's less than alpha :) |
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| 19:00.08 | madhatter_209 | hello i did an netinstall with the sarge branch. and got gnome up and running just fine. |
| 19:00.21 | stew | coax: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 19:00.23 | madhatter_209 | But how do i change my resalution? |
| 19:00.35 | madhatter_209 | resolution* |
| 19:00.50 | stew | !drxx madhatter_209 |
| 19:00.50 | dpkg | madhatter_209: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 19:01.07 | lepton | coax: yes |
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| 19:02.51 | phych00 | hey guys, how do i ignore a package that apt keeps trying to install which i dont want? |
| 19:02.59 | phych00 | i know theres a way to do it, ive done it before. i just forget |
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| 19:04.18 | mirak | is there a way to make the kernel use an USB KEY as a cashing media before loading data to hard drive to reduce the spining ? |
| 19:04.33 | zinx | that would be dumb |
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| 19:05.11 | mc__ | mirak, proably not without hacking the kernel |
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| 19:05.12 | freakazoid0223 | usb keys are slugs |
| 19:05.14 | zinx | the USB key has slower read, even though it has faster seek... but more importantly, the USB key is *FAR FAR* less reliable - they typically fail after 100,000 cycles |
| 19:05.17 | sepski | mirak, usb uses flash, flash can only do so many writes. it would basicaly kill your usb pen in a few days/weeks |
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| 19:05.30 | mirak | sepski: mmm |
| 19:05.32 | pipeline | zinx, sepski : Consider how many a hundred thousand cycles is. |
| 19:05.41 | essobi__ | Get a real flash drive then. |
| 19:05.43 | pipeline | zinx, sepski : flash keys can handle many, many months of continuous writes :P |
| 19:05.44 | ma3x | *** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why... what package is necessary for The development files for GTK+ ? |
| 19:05.55 | sepski | pipeline, a good one yes. a cheap one no. |
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| 19:06.13 | gilianima | how to convert into utf8 an "AppleDouble encoded Macintosh file" ? |
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| 19:06.23 | mirak | sepski: like putting the swap on an usb key |
| 19:06.24 | mirak | lol |
| 19:06.26 | zinx | pipeline: when you're using it in a way where it reads/writes several times a second.. it doesn't last very long. |
| 19:06.32 | mirak | wonder if anyone tried that |
| 19:06.39 | sepski | mirak, probably |
| 19:06.51 | zinx | pipeline: in any case, this ignores the fact that they're typically slower than a hard drive, even when you don't consider the interface they're using to talk to the computer |
| 19:06.54 | jetscreamer | i could swear i've seen a mac2unix or hfx2unix but no idea |
| 19:07.13 | mirak | sepski: anyway you might as well disable swap and add ram |
| 19:08.30 | sepski | mirak, it's allways nice to have a little swap. simply becouse many things are used at boot. like init and others. those will be swapped out. and the ram freed for disk cache, resulting in better performance. it wont be swapped back until you use the init again. so a little bit of swap is good even on multi gig systems |
| 19:08.31 | mirak | does hdparm.conf overrides the default hard drives settings ? |
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| 19:08.57 | Edwin_Quijada | Hi! Somebody has a wireless card that can works with my debian |
| 19:09.00 | ma3x | what package is the dev files for GTK+ ? |
| 19:09.01 | Edwin_Quijada | the brand |
| 19:09.19 | jetscreamer | !hardware |
| 19:09.19 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
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| 19:10.38 | nick01 | what came of that idea to build a debian control center ? was it made ?> |
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| 19:11.04 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: i have mine .. you can't have it |
| 19:11.05 | streuner | heh |
| 19:11.34 | Edwin_Quijada | abrotman: OK, just tell me the brand and chip |
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| 19:11.41 | streuner | ma3x: libgtk*-dev |
| 19:11.48 | abrotman | ok . it's in an intel miniPCI card .. you have one of those slots? |
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| 19:12.14 | Edwin_Quijada | abrotman: Fuck!! I dont ! |
| 19:12.35 | ma3x | streuner, thanks dude! |
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| 19:13.15 | kirbymeister | I'm having a problem with the NVIDIA kernel module in unstable; I built it with m-a update && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia but now I get an "API mismatch error" complaining that the kernel module is only 8178 and that the X module is 8762, even though apt and dselect thinks I have version 8762 |
| 19:13.29 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: so ask #wireless for a PCMCIA card that works in a 2.6.8 kernel(you're using sarge right?) |
| 19:13.30 | tarzeau | kirbymeister: try www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver/ |
| 19:13.34 | kirbymeister | ok |
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| 19:13.40 | tarzeau | without the last / |
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| 19:13.58 | abrotman | !wireless |
| 19:13.58 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux, or try asking #wireless |
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| 19:17.24 | freezer | hi |
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| 19:17.53 | freezer | anyone from the UK here? |
| 19:18.04 | nick01 | how many debian cds do I need to install a full gnome ? |
| 19:18.23 | zinx | just the netinstall/business card CD |
| 19:18.24 | zinx | :D |
| 19:18.31 | nick01 | full cds I mean |
| 19:18.42 | zinx | are you installing it on a computer with a slow connection? |
| 19:18.44 | tarzeau | depends how you define a full gnome |
| 19:18.54 | jetscreamer | usually cd#1 is fine |
| 19:19.00 | nick01 | now but I wanna have the cds |
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| 19:19.05 | jetscreamer | get the dvd |
| 19:19.07 | nick01 | no |
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| 19:19.11 | tarzeau | nick01: they get outdated quick |
| 19:19.20 | zinx | yeah, you're better off with the netinstall |
| 19:19.23 | Craigevil | the first 3 cds should give you what you need |
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| 19:19.42 | Craigevil | but netinstall is better |
| 19:20.51 | realist | tarzeau: did you just make a funny? |
| 19:21.32 | tarzeau | realist: no, i reall play nethack now and i won't leave a gnome alive |
| 19:21.49 | tarzeau | especially if i find a blessed scroll of genocide monster |
| 19:22.02 | Craigevil | nethack hates me i always die in like 6 -8 room i go to |
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| 19:22.18 | tarzeau | Craigevil: it's dungeon level really, not room, isn't it? |
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| 19:22.38 | Craigevil | isnt a lvl more like when u go up or down stairs? |
| 19:22.39 | realist | I haven't played nethack in years. |
| 19:22.50 | tarzeau | Craigevil: yes it's dlvl (dungeon level) |
| 19:22.57 | christor | How to change from gnome to kde? I have isntalled the 2 wm but it start on gnome? |
| 19:23.01 | Craigevil | so the rooms are different |
| 19:23.21 | Craigevil | no i stink like the 7 room i goto i get killed |
| 19:23.25 | realist | christor: many ways to skin a cat |
| 19:23.27 | tarzeau | Craigevil: a room is limited by walls |
| 19:23.35 | Craigevil | i like egoboo better |
| 19:23.36 | tarzeau | Craigevil: by monsters or starvation? |
| 19:23.46 | Craigevil | yeah go down hallway to next room boom die |
| 19:23.56 | tarzeau | Craigevil: do you ever work on your armor (AC)? |
| 19:24.02 | Craigevil | usually some stupid monster a bunny killed me yesterday |
| 19:24.18 | tarzeau | Craigevil: go slow on it, just like you would on a woman |
| 19:24.27 | tarzeau | Craigevil: there are no bunnies in nethack... |
| 19:24.46 | Craigevil | yep bunny killed me in the 3rd room i was in |
| 19:24.53 | sussudio | bunnies? |
| 19:25.38 | Craigevil | bunny bites you missed the bunny bunny killed you yes a bunny like bunny rabbit |
| 19:25.48 | abrotman | !meep |
| 19:25.49 | dpkg | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/meepcam.jpg |
| 19:25.49 | sussudio | !bunnicula Craigevil |
| 19:25.56 | blondie | what is going on in here |
| 19:26.11 | Craigevil | hmm maybe that ws it lol |
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| 19:27.42 | tarzeau | Craigevil: did you C call the monsters bunny maybe? |
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| 19:28.32 | Craigevil | they attacked, i have only played a few times dont have all the commands down yet |
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| 19:29.24 | realist | Perhaps Craigevil is thinking of MUDs |
| 19:29.45 | realist | I remember being killed by a rat, the first time I ever used a MUD |
| 19:30.05 | Craigevil | lol nope nethackx |
| 19:30.26 | Craigevil | rarely play it spend most of the time playing runescape, |
| 19:30.30 | tarzeau | realist: i got killed by kicking a wall |
| 19:30.40 | Craigevil | anyone played supertuxkart? |
| 19:31.02 | realist | Craigevil: if it requires opengl, then no :-) |
| 19:31.02 | tarzeau | Craigevil: tried www.mtp-target.org yet? |
| 19:31.14 | tarzeau | Craigevil: or brutalchess ? briquolo ? |
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| 19:32.58 | realist | Very quiet here for such a large channel |
| 19:33.17 | daqqal | i think my zimmer frame just collapsed |
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| 19:47.31 | Usiu | HI |
| 19:47.34 | Usiu | I am trying to build kernel for AMD64 but I get x86_64dumpobj: command not found |
| 19:47.36 | Usiu | Any help ? |
| 19:47.49 | Usiu | How to recompile under Debian a kernel for amd64 |
| 19:47.49 | Usiu | ? |
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| 19:49.26 | mox | hi |
| 19:49.40 | daqqal | hey there fats |
| 19:49.43 | daqqal | ho are things |
| 19:50.06 | Usiu | ?? |
| 19:50.21 | realist | Isn't there a #debian-amd64 channel? |
| 19:50.50 | thingfish | last I heard, there was. |
| 19:51.12 | blondie | daqqal: who you calling fat? |
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| 19:51.42 | dragan | how can drop mail into a directory when using fetchmail??? |
| 19:52.03 | daqqal | blondie: do you have a koochie frito butt? |
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| 19:53.05 | stew | daqqal: stop. do you have anything debian related? |
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| 19:54.06 | daqqal | stew: yes, pardon me while i whip it out |
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| 19:54.37 | thingfish | stew, when did you get ops? congratulations! |
| 19:55.00 | stew | thingfish: a week ago. |
| 19:55.06 | thingfish | :) |
| 19:55.12 | petemc | good call on someones part |
| 19:55.18 | thingfish | boy really |
| 19:55.25 | stew | thanks |
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| 19:57.12 | myren | i want to change all occurences of one word into another word, throughout an entire directory and its subdirectories |
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| 19:57.21 | myren | can someone please help me? |
| 19:57.51 | stew | myren: in the filenames or the contents of the file? |
| 19:58.12 | myren | contents |
| 19:58.50 | stew | myren: find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i "s/replacethistext/withthistext/g" ; if you are unfamiliar with sed, read some docs about it |
| 19:59.43 | yang | i get error Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagecreatefromjpeg() in file.php - why isnt the gd library support compiled into php ? |
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| 20:00.25 | stew | yang: apt-get install php4-gd |
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| 20:00.32 | yang | ok thanks |
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| 20:00.40 | Usiu | Any help!?!!?! |
| 20:00.41 | myren | stew: thanks |
| 20:02.50 | yang | stew: but do i have to edit php somehwere after that, it doesnt seem to be working... |
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| 20:03.05 | yang | or restart apache? |
| 20:03.53 | dos000 | anyone familiar with openssl here ? i am trying to generate a ca certificate and it ends up generating one that is valid in the future |
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| 20:04.08 | abrotman | !tell Usiu about search |
| 20:08.09 | stew | yang: restart apache. if that doesn't work, make sure that you have extension=gd.so in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
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| 20:08.58 | petemc | dos000: it should use the current date, is your system time correct? |
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| 20:09.01 | myren | from dpkg's oftc move: you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenod |
| 20:09.01 | yang | stew: libgd2-xpm-dev is also required? |
| 20:09.01 | lavland | i am trying to use blackbox on my school computers. i managed to somehow get it started, compiled bbkeys, blahh. For some reason bbkeys does not start nicely showing an icon. it just says: http://rafb.net/paste/results/GqbzxI48.html |
| 20:09.02 | myren | what is i.d.o.? |
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| 20:09.04 | lavland | any person using blackbox that can help :-d? |
| 20:09.04 | thingfish | irc.debian.org |
| 20:09.04 | dos000 | petemc, it is which is puzzling |
| 20:09.05 | myren | ah, ic, thanks |
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| 20:09.05 | petemc | dos000: very odd |
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| 20:09.06 | stew | yang: i don't know |
| 20:09.06 | dos000 | petemc, the odd thing is you cannot specify the start date |
| 20:09.07 | dragan | how can drop mail into a directory when using fetchmail??? |
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| 20:09.07 | dos000 | petemc, it looks like there is a startdate option but only when you do openssl ca .. not openssl req |
| 20:09.07 | yang | argh |
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| 20:09.08 | callee | if i have two mice, how can i make both functional in xorg? |
| 20:09.08 | petemc | dos000: all i can say is, it works fine for me.. |
| 20:09.08 | callee | i mean, i can obviously have only one corepointer |
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| 20:09.09 | yang | did someone hack ftp.at.debian.org ? http://pastebin.com/760566 |
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| 20:09.14 | abrotman | callee: ask #xorg .. but i think you can define two mice sections |
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| 20:09.14 | RichiH | typo, i presume |
| 20:09.15 | CSWookie | What is the package I should install to get the manpages for the C standard libraries? |
| 20:09.24 | abrotman | !b-e CSWookie |
| 20:09.25 | dpkg | CSWookie: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 20:09.33 | callee | abrotman: but only one of the mice works then |
| 20:09.43 | abrotman | callee: how many freaking hands do you have? |
| 20:09.44 | callee | however it didnt solve my problem anyway |
| 20:09.58 | stew | yang: /msg dpkg pdiff ; /msg dpkg testing security |
| 20:10.00 | callee | abrotman: i have a touchpad and an external mouse |
| 20:10.01 | CSWookie | abrotman: When did that happen? |
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| 20:10.13 | clusty | any blackbox users out there? |
| 20:10.26 | callee | i want to use the external at home while the touchpad if on the road |
| 20:10.37 | CSWookie | abrotman: No manual entry for strcpy |
| 20:10.43 | myren | i thought everyone migrated to fluxbox |
| 20:10.47 | abrotman | CSWookie: man -k strcopy |
| 20:10.51 | realist | myren: I know I have. |
| 20:10.53 | abrotman | erm .. the word you actually want :) |
| 20:11.03 | myren | plus a couple freaks like me who use openbox. but i'm fucking weird like taht. |
| 20:11.06 | abrotman | callee: what device did you tell xorg to use? |
| 20:11.22 | CSWookie | abrotman: Nothing appropriate. |
| 20:11.35 | callee | abrotman: yes i did, but forget it, it didnt help, i was trying to solve another problem this way |
| 20:11.36 | abrotman | !find man3/strcpy.3.gz sarge |
| 20:11.40 | callee | but it didnt go away |
| 20:11.42 | abrotman | manpages-dev ? |
| 20:11.43 | realist | myren: would you recommend openbox to others? |
| 20:11.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'man3/strcpy.3.gz' (6 of 10): (/usr/share/man/man3/strcpy.3.gz) in doc/manpages-dev ;; (/usr/share/man/ko/man3/strcpy.3.gz) in doc/manpages-ko ;; (/usr/share/man/es/man3/strcpy.3.gz) in doc/manpages-es ;; (/usr/share/man/fr/man3/strcpy.3.gz) in doc/manpages-fr ;; (/usr/share/man/pl/man3/strcpy.3.gz) in doc/manpages-pl-dev ;; (/usr/share/man/de/man3/strcpy.3.gz) in doc/manpages-de-dev. |
| 20:11.51 | CSWookie | I know I used to have manpages on this computer. Did some package maintaner decide they needed to be taken from me? |
| 20:11.53 | abrotman | CSWookie: manpages-dev |
| 20:12.07 | Usiu | abrotman, I dont have that package |
| 20:12.19 | abrotman | what packages? |
| 20:12.22 | abrotman | package |
| 20:12.34 | abrotman | Usiu: ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 20:12.52 | myren | realist: it doesnt have a panel, but its got a very sweet key configuration file (even if it is xml, its still sweet) thats very customizable. and its extremely standards compliant, more so than fb/bb. |
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| 20:13.08 | Usiu | abrotman, LD init/mounts.o |
| 20:13.08 | Usiu | /bin/sh: line 1: x86_64-linux-ld: command not found |
| 20:13.13 | CSWookie | Bah. |
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| 20:13.17 | abrotman | CSWookie: eh? |
| 20:13.21 | abrotman | Usiu: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 20:13.25 | abrotman | !find x86_64-linux-ld |
| 20:13.26 | realist | heh 'standards'... so many to choose from |
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| 20:13.33 | myren | lol, true enough |
| 20:13.34 | CSWookie | abrotman: 3 minutes to get the manpages. :-( |
| 20:13.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'x86_64-linux-ld' returned no results. |
| 20:13.44 | abrotman | CSWookie: lots of man pages! |
| 20:13.50 | myren | there's a pretty good library of ICE, netwm, &c &c |
| 20:13.52 | CSWookie | abrotman: They were already there. |
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| 20:14.05 | CSWookie | abrotman: This just proves my theory about never upgrading. |
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| 20:14.16 | abrotman | CSWookie: they were there? |
| 20:14.20 | CSWookie | abrotman: Yes. |
| 20:14.26 | abrotman | before you went to etch ? |
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| 20:14.28 | realist | myren: I might give openbox a test flight when I get a chance then :-) |
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| 20:14.33 | abrotman | looss!!! |
| 20:14.34 | CSWookie | I used to make <some dumb C function> all the time. |
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| 20:14.44 | myren | OpenBox was really crafted basically as a pure window manager, very little gui/ desktop environment but meant to be the shining star example of how to deal with the sea of standards |
| 20:14.51 | CSWookie | I think they got gacked that last time I upgraded. |
| 20:14.51 | meff | for some reason, udev did not pick up my second dvd drive (hdb) .. is there a way to force it to rescan or whatnot? the drive shows up fine in the dmesg, and just issuing a udev restart doesnt change anything.. |
| 20:14.57 | MatBoy | I'm looking for webmail clients with the Power of Squirrelmail and the Looks of RoundCube... Are there some other goodones ? |
| 20:15.27 | abrotman | MatBoy: i haven't used squirrelmail in years .. but i like horde/imp |
| 20:15.30 | CSWookie | What kind of Linux user doesn't want manpages for the C standard Libraries on his computer anyway? |
| 20:15.41 | abrotman | myren: openbox is a derivative of blackbox |
| 20:15.46 | MatBoy | abrotman, I have some problems with Horde if I may be honest |
| 20:15.59 | neoxan | whats the standard port for realvnc? |
| 20:16.04 | tarzeau | CSWookie: not all debian users are linux users |
| 20:16.22 | CSWookie | tarzeau: What? |
| 20:16.22 | myren | abrotman: openbox 2 was. openbox 3 was a complete rewrite, original source. |
| 20:16.32 | samuel | sup all |
| 20:16.43 | abrotman | myren: but it wasn't "crafted" .. it was ripped from an existing idea |
| 20:16.48 | samuel | is there a special package i need to get the debian menus in my gnome menu? |
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| 20:16.54 | CSWookie | tarzeau: Does debian now ship with a choice of kernels? |
| 20:17.04 | tarzeau | CSWookie: there's debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 20:17.08 | abrotman | samuel: in etch/sid ? |
| 20:17.15 | abrotman | debian.org/ports/ |
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| 20:17.19 | CSWookie | tarzeau: What does the k stand for? |
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| 20:17.24 | tarzeau | CSWookie: kernel of |
| 20:17.29 | tarzeau | CSWookie: it's gnu lib c ;) |
| 20:17.30 | d0uglas | i'm trying to get mod rewrite fired up on apache 1.. the module is definitely there and probably loading, i'm just guessing i need to edit some htaccess files to turn the rewrite engine on. Do I do this in the document root directory or the subdir of what i want the rewrite enabled for? |
| 20:17.33 | abrotman | tarzeau forgot Hurd too |
| 20:17.35 | myren | abrotman: a extremely lightweight window manager? yeah, bb definately holds the patents on that idea. |
| 20:17.42 | abrotman | myren: there are lighter |
| 20:17.58 | CSWookie | tarzeau: Fine. What kind of Debian user doesn't want the C man pages on his box? |
| 20:17.58 | abrotman | myren: i started using BB around .. 1999 or so .. it was about 65k lines of code |
| 20:18.03 | myren | indeed. i just dont see what openbox 3 actually owes in legacy to bb. |
| 20:18.06 | realist | Am I dreaming... or did I just read debian ships with a freebsd kernel? |
| 20:18.07 | tarzeau | CSWookie: i don't know any |
| 20:18.09 | abrotman | CSWookie: your mom probably wouldn't care to have them :) |
| 20:18.18 | CSWookie | abrotman: My mom isn't a Debian user. |
| 20:18.25 | abrotman | she shoudl be! |
| 20:18.50 | Firehand | realist: no, there is Debian GNU/kFreeBSD :) |
| 20:18.52 | CSWookie | abrotman: Why? She doesn't need a real computer. She needs a word processor and a spreadsheet. |
| 20:19.01 | myren | abrotman: glad you got at least a year of updates in before bb went silent. ;) |
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| 20:19.06 | jjazz_ | abrotman: Yo mama so ignorant, she doesn't want C man pages on her box! |
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| 20:19.15 | abrotman | jjazz_: hehe |
| 20:19.16 | petemc | why would someone who doesnt program in c, or any language, want the c manpages? |
| 20:19.25 | abrotman | myren: it really slowed down towards the hibernation period |
| 20:19.27 | myren | thats mainly why i swithced. what was it, 0.60 -> .61 then silent? |
| 20:19.33 | abrotman | CSWookie: sounds liek a perfect debian candidate :) |
| 20:19.35 | jjazz_ | petemc: A man page completist? |
| 20:19.42 | abrotman | jjazz_: you going tonight ? |
| 20:19.43 | CSWookie | abrotman: No. Not. |
| 20:19.52 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 20:19.53 | tarzeau | CSWookie: tried freebsd-manpages yet? |
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| 20:19.56 | petemc | jjazz_: thats one reason, probably not that common tho.. |
| 20:20.05 | jjazz_ | abrotman: No, long time friend in town. I'm taking her out. |
| 20:20.08 | CSWookie | abrotman: Becaue then I'd have to administer the box. And administration is painful enough when it's my computer. |
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| 20:20.12 | abrotman | jjazz_: and you didn't offer me the tix?!!? |
| 20:20.13 | samuel | my debian menu is gone... what package do i need to integrate the debian menu to the gnome menu' |
| 20:20.16 | samuel | ? |
| 20:20.19 | abrotman | CSWookie: hehe |
| 20:20.21 | jjazz_ | abrotman: And despite all the recent bragging about the stadium being handicap accessible, it's not really that easy. |
| 20:20.24 | abrotman | samuel: etch/sid ? |
| 20:20.30 | CSWookie | DAMN. |
| 20:20.35 | CSWookie | Where is my manpage? |
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| 20:20.40 | realist | Firehand: when did all this happen, and why isn't it more widely publicised? |
| 20:20.40 | abrotman | i told you where! |
| 20:20.41 | stoned | good afternoon |
| 20:20.44 | samuel | abrotman, sid |
| 20:20.48 | abrotman | samuel: install menu-xdg |
| 20:20.51 | ArchitectSinan | my server just hung. I see "Grub Loading Stage1.5" and pauses. How can i boot into my debian 3.1r1 sarge box ? |
| 20:20.56 | samuel | abrotman, thanks! |
| 20:20.59 | Firehand | realist: dunno, all i know is that it's not stable yet :) |
| 20:21.11 | CSWookie | abrotman: I installed that. Still nothing. |
| 20:21.19 | abrotman | CSWookie: run `mandb` ? |
| 20:21.24 | CSWookie | Oh, wait. |
| 20:21.26 | CSWookie | No. |
| 20:21.30 | abrotman | man 3 strcpy |
| 20:21.36 | CSWookie | The 3 minute wait wwas just to update my package list. |
| 20:21.36 | ug | I need some help getting my mouse to be displayed correctly, It is a square fuzzy block, what do i need to do to fix it? |
| 20:21.47 | CSWookie | Yar. |
| 20:21.49 | myren | ArchitectSinan: Grab your favorite livecd and reinstall grub |
| 20:21.58 | ArchitectSinan | myren: i've got knoppix with me |
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| 20:22.08 | myren | ArchitectSinan: merry christmas |
| 20:22.09 | ArchitectSinan | myren: how cani reinstall grub ? |
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| 20:22.16 | ArchitectSinan | myren: :D |
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| 20:22.18 | myren | uh, mount your hard drive, then chroot into it |
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| 20:22.27 | ArchitectSinan | myren: and then |
| 20:22.29 | myren | i think thats what i did last time. |
| 20:22.37 | myren | grub-install /dev/hda |
| 20:22.45 | CSWookie | Soon, manpages aplenty |
| 20:23.10 | CSWookie | YEAH! |
| 20:23.10 | ArchitectSinan | myren: i can't do this with 3.1r1's first CD ? |
| 20:23.12 | myren | Uh, I might actually google "knoppix grub rescue" ahead of time. It can be a little tricky sometimes. |
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| 20:23.20 | abrotman | CSWookie: all good? |
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| 20:23.25 | CSWookie | Yes. |
| 20:23.35 | CSWookie | Bah. |
| 20:23.38 | myren | ArchitectSinan: I did that and it fucked up my system very badly. Debian silently gives the go ahead to reinstall all packages if you try to install grub |
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| 20:23.45 | myren | You wipe out your existing package state |
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| 20:23.58 | ArchitectSinan | myren: holly sh*t |
| 20:24.01 | abrotman | jjazz_: but you didn't offer the tix to me!~ |
| 20:24.03 | myren | It might be possible, but I would advise the fuck against it |
| 20:24.06 | ArchitectSinan | myren: i'll take my knoppix then |
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| 20:24.14 | ArchitectSinan | myren: thx :) |
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| 20:24.27 | jjazz_ | abrotman: Last time I offered you tickets, you whined about the drive and turned me down. |
| 20:24.35 | abrotman | jjazz_: but .. but .. i would have done this one! |
| 20:24.37 | myren | ArchitectSinan: again, i'd google "knoppix rescue grub" ahead of time. You'll likely find some good pointers, I'd think. The chrooting thing doesnt always go off smoothly. |
| 20:24.52 | abrotman | jjazz_: if i had a day or two notice .. i soooo would have gone |
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| 20:24.58 | myren | in particular, you're looking at your hard drives stored /dev/hda when you chroot in, which isnt necessarily the same as your actual /dev/hda |
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| 20:25.24 | abrotman | jjazz_: ah well .. maybe next time |
| 20:25.28 | jjazz_ | abrotman: Fair enough. Should be a good one. |
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| 20:25.52 | abrotman | jjazz_: no way .. mussina will get clocked by a pitch! |
| 20:26.19 | abrotman | jjazz_: well .. i guess i can watch it on tv ... |
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| 20:26.43 | abrotman | jjazz_: tomorrow will be a pretty bad game probably .. that AA guy is starting for boston |
| 20:26.46 | jjazz_ | abrotman: He's not Wright. Cy Mussina is going to ronk all over "I play the game the right way" Beckett. |
| 20:26.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:27.07 | jjazz_ | abrotman: Wang got hit hard by Boston the last two times he faced them. It promises to be a slugfest. |
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| 20:27.21 | abrotman | jjazz_: yeah .. we'll see .. might be a 20-19 game :) |
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| 20:27.45 | jjazz_ | abrotman: I prefer to win by a score of 19-18. |
| 20:27.54 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:28.03 | CSWookie | Kindof frightening. I can't get through an intro CS test on C++ without manpages. |
| 20:28.04 | tonybaloney | okay, how do i reconfigure the locals (as in get a list and regenerate them)? |
| 20:28.17 | abrotman | CSWookie: you need better tests? :) |
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| 20:28.23 | tonybaloney | *locales |
| 20:28.29 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 20:28.47 | castro2006_ | hi there, i want to configure wireless on debian, i am new to debian |
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| 20:28.59 | tonybaloney | thanks :) |
| 20:29.00 | ug | I need some help getting my mouse to be displayed correctly, It is a square fuzzy block, what do i need to do to fix it? |
| 20:29.06 | abrotman | !drl tonybaloney |
| 20:29.06 | dpkg | tonybaloney: run `dpkg-reconfigure locales` to pick and regenerate your locales |
| 20:29.23 | ug | castro, which version do you have? |
| 20:29.37 | ug | what card do you have |
| 20:29.39 | castro2006_ | testing version |
| 20:29.39 | CSWookie | abrotman: Nah. I just don't bother to memorize how functions work. When I want to know, I type man. |
| 20:29.52 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:30.04 | castro2006_ | internal on my laptop HP nc6120 |
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| 20:30.44 | castro2006_ | i installed wireless tools and tried iwconfig but i have error message |
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| 20:30.55 | ug | what is the error? |
| 20:31.06 | castro2006_ | iwconfig eth1 essid "khaledhome" |
| 20:31.07 | castro2006_ | Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : |
| 20:31.07 | castro2006_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:32.05 | ug | what is the output for iwconfig |
| 20:32.11 | blondie | are you sure eth1 is the rigth device? don't wireless devices usually have the name "wlan0" etc or something? |
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| 20:32.40 | abrotman | blondie: depends on the device .. my wifi is eth0 or eth1 |
| 20:32.43 | castro2006_ | may be i am new to debian |
| 20:32.51 | abrotman | dmesg might help some |
| 20:33.01 | blondie | oh |
| 20:33.10 | blondie | I bet wifi doesn't work in lunix ;) |
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| 20:33.13 | blondie | +my |
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| 20:33.19 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:33.26 | chappy81 | salu |
| 20:33.29 | ug | but under iwconfig you should also wifi0 and eth0 |
| 20:33.41 | realist | I can barely remember C++ syntax/functions, it's been that long since I've done any heavy coding |
| 20:33.51 | chappy81 | hi |
| 20:33.51 | blondie | eww C++ |
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| 20:34.45 | clusty | any blackbox users here? |
| 20:34.52 | clusty | i have some bbkeys issue |
| 20:35.02 | abrotman | there is a #blackbox .. not many people though |
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| 20:35.12 | abrotman | clusty: but you can try asking (assuming it's debian) |
| 20:35.29 | clusty | well here is what bbkeys sais |
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| 20:35.39 | blondie | !wirelss |
| 20:35.39 | mbishop | With xorg 7.0.10 and mesa packages from unstable apt, should the radeon r300 drivers direct rendering work? The driver works, but direct rendering inson't on, but I hear it's in the measa code now? |
| 20:35.41 | Linuxino | hi hi hi |
| 20:35.42 | blondie | !wireless |
| 20:35.42 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux, or try asking #wireless |
| 20:35.42 | clusty | http://rafb.net/paste/results/GqbzxI48.html |
| 20:35.51 | castro2006_ | how can i know what us the name of the device eth0 or wlan0 ? |
| 20:36.02 | ug | iwconfig |
| 20:36.02 | clusty | istead of starting clean showing an icon |
| 20:36.12 | realist | castro2006_: try, ifconfig |
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| 20:36.50 | blondie | anyone use of these? |
| 20:36.50 | blondie | 0000:02:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 20:37.06 | castro2006_ | iwconfig |
| 20:37.07 | castro2006_ | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 20:37.07 | castro2006_ | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 20:37.07 | castro2006_ | eth1 no wireless extensions. |
| 20:37.07 | castro2006_ | sit0 no wireless extensions. |
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| 20:37.53 | clusty | abrotman, any idea what the hell that means. thing is that all stuff is installed in non standard places cause i have no root access |
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| 20:38.54 | abrotman | blondie: i think that's supposed to work |
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| 20:39.04 | blondie | hmm! |
| 20:39.05 | abrotman | clusty: i've never seen that .. granted .. i haven't used bbkeys much |
| 20:39.14 | abrotman | blondie: lspci -n |
| 20:39.16 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 20:39.17 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 20:40.08 | realist | I've only had experience with wired Broadcom NICs |
| 20:40.14 | abrotman | clusty: maybe ping ##linux |
| 20:40.17 | realist | I know those worked. |
| 20:40.27 | abrotman | !wireless |
| 20:40.27 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux, or try asking #wireless |
| 20:40.45 | clusty | abrotman, thanx. will do |
| 20:40.50 | abrotman | !wireless =~ s/Linux,/Linux/ |
| 20:40.51 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 20:41.09 | abrotman | blondie: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11ag.html#Broadcom |
| 20:42.04 | blondie | abrotman: why thank you |
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| 20:42.29 | abrotman | blondie: see .. dpkg knows stuff! |
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| 20:42.57 | nse | i am having problems when trying to connect to freenode. in which channel should i ask for help? |
| 20:43.07 | abrotman | problems how ? |
| 20:43.09 | nse | did you miss me here? |
| 20:43.13 | abrotman | you seem connected just fine |
| 20:43.23 | blondie | nse: you are connected... |
| 20:43.24 | Vasistha | nse: there was a server burp |
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| 20:43.34 | stoned | more like a belch |
| 20:43.37 | nse | ah... it is complaing that i am behind an open proxy... |
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| 20:43.53 | stoned | nse, then close the ports |
| 20:44.02 | ArchitectSinan | myren: thx friend, i reinstalled grub and everything's fine. you're my hero :p |
| 20:44.03 | nse | sometimes it connects sometimes it do not |
| 20:44.37 | stew | nse: what is the ip address you are having trouble with? |
| 20:44.44 | nse | stoned: there are no open ports, as far as i know. everything was working just fine, since the day i have no irc anymore |
| 20:45.14 | blondie | abrotman: apparently it's in 2.6.17... so I'll wait for that to be in etch |
| 20:45.26 | abrotman | blondie: etch may not get 2.6.17 |
| 20:45.28 | nse | stew: mine: 201.12.179.179 |
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| 20:45.37 | stoned | nse, run a full port scan on your machine from a remote host, if freenode tells you that you have have open proxies running, you more than likely do |
| 20:45.49 | abrotman | or his IP has been flagged before |
| 20:45.53 | blondie | abrotman: well, testing if not |
| 20:45.58 | stoned | nse, or just netstat -a|grep pornumberhere |
| 20:46.02 | abrotman | blondie: well .. that's good news anyways |
| 20:46.13 | palomer | pornumber! |
| 20:46.15 | stew | nse: "/stats p" will list any freenode staff on duty, /msg whomever shows up there about your problem |
| 20:46.30 | palomer | is that like pornation? |
| 20:46.47 | blondie | abrotman: why would it not be in etch... is it due to go stable soon? ;) |
| 20:46.49 | stoned | palomer, thats not funny, dont' try to make a joke out of it |
| 20:46.54 | realist | s/por/port/ |
| 20:47.06 | stoned | realist, thanks mate ;) |
| 20:47.27 | realist | no worries, didn't think it was funny either ;-) |
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| 20:47.39 | blondie | stoned: if you had a rootkit, you think netstat would be safe from tampering? |
| 20:47.56 | stoned | blondie, I have not got one |
| 20:48.07 | blondie | stoned: I didn't say that |
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| 20:48.20 | realist | blondie: aren't cryptographic checksums wonderful? |
| 20:48.24 | stoned | hypothetically then, no |
| 20:48.30 | doml | howdy, folks. I'm just wondering if there's a standard way to save iptables rules such that they will be loaded on boot |
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| 20:48.46 | blondie | realist: I don't know |
| 20:48.47 | abrotman | blondie: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 20:49.00 | abrotman | blondie: i'm not sure which kernel the debian-kernel team has decided to go with |
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| 20:49.39 | abrotman | blondie: they have a month based on that schedule to get 2.6.17 from sid to etch |
| 20:50.01 | blondie | anyway, I'm happy to keep testing rather than etch |
| 20:50.01 | doml | I only know redhat there's an initscript called iptables with a save command... where am I supposed to save the firewall rules? |
| 20:50.10 | abrotman | blondie: and since 2.6.17 hasn't even released .. that might be a stretch |
| 20:50.30 | blondie | abrotman: yes ok :P |
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| 20:51.23 | StereoSkit | ,dpkg oftc move |
| 20:51.29 | StereoSkit | !dpkg oftc move |
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| 20:51.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 20:51.57 | streuner | !factinfo oftc move |
| 20:51.58 | dpkg | oftc move -- last modified 1d 21h 31m 20s ago by mentor!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor. |
| 20:52.08 | abrotman | doml: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
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| 20:52.26 | StereoSkit | does anyone knows how many people actually left freenode for oftc? |
| 20:52.38 | abrotman | StereoSkit: last night .. there was about 180 people there ... |
| 20:52.41 | streuner | none |
| 20:52.58 | streuner | most of us are on many servers on different channels |
| 20:52.59 | abrotman | StereoSkit: i'm not aware of anyone who has fully abandoned freenode and gone to oftc .. yet |
| 20:53.07 | StereoSkit | how can i know the amount of people here without making /names |
| 20:53.14 | StereoSkit | abrotman: :O |
| 20:53.20 | nse | i can't believe that. are we all going to move from freenode? |
| 20:53.20 | abrotman | StereoSkit: there's about 790 in here now |
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| 20:53.31 | abrotman | !tell nse about oftc move |
| 20:53.33 | StereoSkit | abrotman: tnx |
| 20:53.37 | streuner | nse: no |
| 20:53.49 | streuner | nse: scroll up |
| 20:53.53 | realist | nse, I've already moved ;p |
| 20:54.03 | lord_rob | StereoSkit: you can see how many people there are in the chan with xchat |
| 20:54.04 | abrotman | but you're still here |
| 20:54.11 | abrotman | irssi also tells you how many |
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| 20:54.16 | streuner | abrotman: hehe :-) |
| 20:54.18 | StereoSkit | i read the whole thread, yet couldnt find anything 100% reasonable to move from fnode to oftc |
| 20:54.28 | StereoSkit | lord_rob: irssi here~ |
| 20:54.33 | abrotman | StereoSkit: which thread .. they mention a number of things |
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| 20:54.40 | abrotman | StereoSkit: irssi tells you how many people are in the channel |
| 20:54.44 | StereoSkit | yes none of them cloncuding |
| 20:54.56 | nse | somebody told me that the owner is doing propaganda |
| 20:54.58 | StereoSkit | omg, 810 803 |
| 20:55.14 | StereoSkit | concluding |
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| 20:55.38 | StereoSkit | damog: hey! ^_^ |
| 20:55.53 | grumbel | I am experiencing strange X11 crashes after the last dist-upgrade a few weeks ago, specifically with ghex2 I can pretty much crash X11 on demand (nvidia geforce5200fx card), anybody have an idea what is wrong? |
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| 20:56.11 | abrotman | grumbel: you're using closed source binary only drivers? |
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| 20:56.35 | damog | StereoSkit: hi. |
| 20:57.01 | grumbel | abauer: yes, closed source driver |
| 20:57.21 | abrotman | !beer abauer |
| 20:57.36 | stoned | !joint stoned |
| 20:57.40 | stoned | ooh nice |
| 20:57.47 | stoned | dpkg, god bless you! |
| 20:57.48 | streuner | hm |
| 20:57.52 | StereoSkit | <o/ |
| 20:57.58 | lord_rob | hey this is illegal |
| 20:57.59 | lord_rob | :p |
| 20:58.01 | stoned | hehe |
| 20:58.04 | doml | thx abrotman, but those docs don't provide any useful info :( just suggest that I write a custom init script |
| 20:58.04 | streuner | stoned: do you have irc.debian.org in your irc-client? |
| 20:58.09 | StereoSkit | hehe not here |
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| 20:58.15 | abrotman | doml: which is .. the idea :) |
| 20:58.19 | StereoSkit | at least not untill cops caught you \o/ |
| 20:58.26 | stoned | streuner, well, I have a debian server, irc.debian.org and I also connect to freenode |
| 20:58.34 | abrotman | doml: i think if you look .. there might be an example script in one of the subdirectories |
| 20:58.40 | stoned | streuner, why do you ask mate? |
| 20:58.51 | doml | abrotman: that would be handy |
| 20:58.57 | lord_rob | StereoSkit: .pe ? what country do you live in ? |
| 20:58.59 | streuner | stoned: well, iam interested how things work for people ;-) |
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| 20:59.09 | stoned | ahh, working fantastic mate, thanks for asking |
| 20:59.20 | StereoSkit | lord_rob: hit iana xD |
| 20:59.24 | StereoSkit | answer: Peru |
| 20:59.29 | abrotman | doml: check the examples/ folder |
| 20:59.32 | stoned | debian oftc is getting bigger by the hour |
| 20:59.44 | abrotman | stoned: strangely .. it's not getting smaller here |
| 21:00.10 | stoned | abrotman, well, you've got a couple of years on freenode, people remember that and they will more than likely join freenode/#debian rather than irc.debian.org |
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| 21:00.32 | lord_rob | ah right StereoSkit :) I'm am .be |
| 21:00.33 | abrotman | stoned: perhaps .. i guess it depends where your client goes |
| 21:00.34 | doml | abrotman, I see it. looks ok. i wonder if htere's any good reason why this would be a standard init script installed with iptables tho |
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| 21:00.40 | stoned | abrotman, yup |
| 21:00.53 | abrotman | doml: the maintainer cites his reasons for not installing it by default i believe |
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| 21:01.26 | jelly-ho | doml: it WAS installed by default a while ago. |
| 21:01.54 | abrotman | in woody it was .. sarge it's not |
| 21:01.55 | stoned | wtf, upgrade wants to update kde but remove kdelibs-bin |
| 21:02.01 | stoned | ugh, goddamn bugs |
| 21:02.13 | abrotman | kde sucks .. use gnome! |
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| 21:02.22 | abrotman | stoned: did you get your head wrapped around quodlibet .. or did you give up? |
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| 21:02.30 | stoned | so I wonder, if highly specialized AI were to code software, would bugs still exist? ecluding The Matrix |
| 21:02.32 | StereoSkit | lord_rob: omg belgium, technotronic comes from .be |
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| 21:03.21 | stoned | abrotman, I have not. it seems like too much work to go through, when amarok serves me just fine, and actually its kinda spoiled me. |
| 21:03.23 | jcole | stoned: the question is, would buggy software know it's buggy |
| 21:03.27 | abrotman | stoned: wussy! |
| 21:03.32 | lord_rob | yes StereoSkit technotronic, and old group I was listening to 15 years ago :) |
| 21:03.35 | stoned | heh |
| 21:03.53 | stoned | jcole, good question |
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| 21:04.22 | abrotman | jcole: obviously .. if it did .. the AI would fix it |
| 21:04.28 | KirbyMeister | okay I have a problem: whenever I try to do something with apt, it complains that the mozilla-thunderbird package needs a reinstall. So I type "apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird" which gives me the same error. |
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| 21:04.36 | stoned | abrotman, but, if the AI is buggy, and it doesn't know its buggy, then what |
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| 21:04.43 | abrotman | apt-get --reinstall intsall mozilla-thunderbird |
| 21:04.45 | jjazz | KirbyMeister: did you try --reinstall? |
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| 21:05.14 | KirbyMeister | oh there's a reinstall option? man I'm a total n00b |
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| 21:05.26 | stoned | KirbyMeister, start reading manpages |
| 21:05.28 | stew | disposable: one of you two should have read the /topic ;) |
| 21:05.32 | stoned | at least for the applications you use a lot |
| 21:05.38 | KirbyMeister | Same problem. |
| 21:05.44 | stoned | KirbyMeister, the more YOU know, the less you bug US |
| 21:05.44 | stoned | ;) |
| 21:06.04 | abrotman | KirbyMeister: man apt-get |
| 21:06.04 | lord_rob | KirbyMeister: heard of aptitude ? |
| 21:06.07 | abrotman | KirbyMeister: paste the bug somewhere |
| 21:06.11 | sparr | can anyone recommend a multi-protocol IM client for linux that can block icq spam? |
| 21:06.12 | abrotman | err .. paste the error |
| 21:06.18 | KirbyMeister | ok be right back |
| 21:06.21 | abrotman | sparr: don't sign onto ICQ ? |
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| 21:06.34 | lord_rob | KirbyMeister: not here, use a paster |
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| 21:06.42 | stoned | !paste |
| 21:06.42 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 21:07.21 | stoned | oh man, bowl packing time |
| 21:07.35 | KirbyMeister | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2750 |
| 21:07.43 | stoned | I'm gonna update today, its been two days, I have no idea whats goin on in the world of sid |
| 21:07.46 | stoned | aaargh! |
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| 21:08.08 | lord_rob | two days without an upgrade :) |
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| 21:08.18 | stoned | yeh, I got a job two days ago |
| 21:08.19 | abrotman | KirbyMeister: dpkg -P mozilla-thunderbird |
| 21:08.20 | stoned | :D |
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| 21:09.03 | stoned | abrotman, the real question is, did you get quodlibet album cover display to work |
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| 21:09.11 | KirbyMeister | same error, should I use force? |
| 21:09.16 | abrotman | stoned: i looked at it .. and didn't care enough :) |
| 21:09.22 | abrotman | stoned: i was having a good time with lastfm last night |
| 21:09.53 | stoned | oh ok, fine then, I was gonna call you a wuss, but I guess i'll make do with "apathiest" |
| 21:09.57 | stoned | I made that word up! |
| 21:10.12 | abrotman | stoned: some day .. i'll look at it again |
| 21:10.17 | devsforev | Good afternoon all.. I'm currently running a debian stable server, which is working very well for me. However, I would like to install the latest version of bitlbee, since the current 'stable' version was released over a year ago! There are plenty new features on the latest release that I would like to have. Would installing this comprimise my server? How would I go about it? |
| 21:10.28 | KirbyMeister | abrotman: your command gave me the same 'Package is in a very bad state' error |
| 21:10.32 | sparr | abrotman: not signing in defeats the purpose of having an IM client... |
| 21:10.41 | stoned | !tell devsforev about backports |
| 21:10.45 | KirbyMeister | devsforev: you could try a backport from testing |
| 21:10.47 | abrotman | KirbyMeister: so you can't reinstall it .. and you can't remove it .. |
| 21:10.49 | lord_rob | devsforev: have a look at backports.org |
| 21:10.57 | stoned | !tell devsforev about simple sid backport |
| 21:10.57 | devsforev | thanks everyone ;) |
| 21:11.06 | KirbyMeister | abrotman: I can use the forbidden --force-remove-reinstreq option |
| 21:11.12 | abrotman | sparr: gaim? centericq? .. i think that part of the problem is that it's spam . if it were easy to stop .. AOL would do it for you |
| 21:11.23 | abrotman | KirbyMeister: you can ... say a prayer first |
| 21:11.29 | stoned | yes, the latest greatest anti malware tools by AOL |
| 21:11.30 | KirbyMeister | prayer already said. |
| 21:11.37 | stoned | "THE security experts" |
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| 21:11.40 | sparr | abrotman: well, how hard would it be to block messages from people not on my buddy list? can centericq do more than just icq? |
| 21:11.45 | struct | greetings |
| 21:11.50 | abrotman | sparr: i don't use ICQ .. i can't tell you |
| 21:11.53 | KirbyMeister | now using forbidden option, if I quit it means my computer exploded. |
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| 21:12.00 | abrotman | sparr: should be an option in whatever lcient you're using now |
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| 21:12.53 | KirbyMeister | hrm.. everything seems fine |
| 21:13.06 | mikeConigliaro | can anyone tell methe default uid for the nagios user on debian? |
| 21:13.08 | lord_rob | shouldn't deleting all the files of the package (dpkg -L) manually solve KirbyMeister 's problem ? |
| 21:13.24 | stoned | what exactly is his problem? |
| 21:13.26 | abrotman | lord_rob: no .. dpkg will still think it's installed |
| 21:13.35 | abrotman | mikeConigliaro: cat /etc/passwd ? |
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| 21:13.41 | KirbyMeister | my problem was dpkg complaining about a half-installed package |
| 21:13.45 | mikeConigliaro | abrotman, i dont have it installed |
| 21:13.46 | struct | in sarge mysql-server and mysql-server-4.1. If mysql-server was previously installed and then you apt-get install mysql-server-4.1, mysql-server is removed which is fine. However if the mysql-server files are later purged it seems that mysql-server-4.1 is shutdown during the purging of mysql-server. Should this be filed as a bug? |
| 21:13.49 | KirbyMeister | and it wouldn't let me do anything with apt |
| 21:13.52 | KirbyMeister | but now I think I've fixed it |
| 21:13.56 | stoned | KirbyMeister, and first you should apt-get -f install |
| 21:13.58 | sparr | abrotman: i agree, it should be. |
| 21:14.00 | doml | oh, I guess it looks like it was removed basically since having an initscript independant of the ifupdown facility was not optimal |
| 21:14.13 | abrotman | doml: yeah .. so he says! |
| 21:14.13 | stoned | KirbyMeister, after that doesn't work, we try other things |
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| 21:14.26 | KirbyMeister | I tried -f install first |
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| 21:14.45 | blondie | mmm pie |
| 21:14.46 | stoned | KirbyMeister, so which package is it? |
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| 21:14.54 | KirbyMeister | mozilla-thunderbird was the offending package |
| 21:15.05 | stoned | KirbyMeister, apt-get --purge remove it? |
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| 21:15.27 | KirbyMeister | purge gave me the same error |
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| 21:15.32 | stoned | which error? |
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| 21:15.38 | _rain | i'm getting "no DHCPOFFERS received" but it only happens on ONE box, and I can't find anything out of place, google gave me squat |
| 21:15.38 | KirbyMeister | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2750 |
| 21:15.40 | KirbyMeister | THAT error |
| 21:15.42 | stoned | ok hold |
| 21:16.13 | lord_rob | <apt> hard drive failure! <--- first time I see a bot saying this :) |
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| 21:16.22 | stoned | KirbyMeister, and I take it that you've tried the reinstall switch already? |
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| 21:16.25 | KirbyMeister | yes |
| 21:16.31 | KirbyMeister | that's in fact what it says on the log I sent you |
| 21:16.49 | stoned | i didn't look at the whole thing |
| 21:16.59 | abrotman | KirbyMeister: are you ok now? |
| 21:17.02 | KirbyMeister | yeah |
| 21:17.03 | KirbyMeister | i'm fine |
| 21:17.38 | stoned | KirbyMeister, can you download the package file .deb and manually install it with dpkg, a working package |
| 21:17.43 | stoned | oh ok nevermind then |
| 21:17.51 | stoned | KirbyMeister, what did you do to fix it? |
| 21:18.09 | KirbyMeister | "dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --remove mozilla-thunderbird" |
| 21:18.17 | stoned | word |
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| 21:18.40 | stoned | KirbyMeister, --force things is useful |
| 21:18.42 | KirbyMeister | basically the forbidden option that bypasses dpkg's package consistancy checks |
| 21:18.56 | stoned | hah, forbidden, use it when you need it man |
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| 21:19.09 | KirbyMeister | true |
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| 21:19.25 | KirbyMeister | I call it forbidden because it looks like a really _bad_ idea for a newbie to use it |
| 21:19.25 | stoned | I had to force a p ackage install otherwise I wouldn' thave X right now |
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| 21:19.44 | stoned | about two days ago |
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| 21:19.59 | KirbyMeister | when all else fails, use --force |
| 21:20.07 | ug | i need some help fixing my pointer |
| 21:20.07 | stoned | allow me to rephrase |
| 21:20.13 | lws | Hello, anybody know a data compressor that supports large files, and will let you decompress files individually from the archive? |
| 21:20.14 | _rain | "no DHCPOFFERS received" but i see nothing wrong with my machine's setup, network or otherwise |
| 21:20.14 | ug | it is a big ugly square |
| 21:20.16 | doml | abrotman, well it is an interesting problem. the redhat "way" is simple and offloads all the versatility to the iptables config tools (fwbuilder, for example) which is fine. seems like the easiest thing would be to leave firewall hooks in pre-up/post-down and then just go with /var/lib/iptables/{active,inactive} for the rule sets |
| 21:20.18 | lord_rob | when dpkg asks you to type "Yes, do as I say", you'd better think twice before typing that setence though :) |
| 21:20.21 | stoned | "when all else fails, use `The --force`" |
| 21:20.25 | stoned | :D |
| 21:20.33 | KirbyMeister | XD |
| 21:21.00 | zinx | never ever use --force in debian |
| 21:21.12 | KirbyMeister | zinx: I just did |
| 21:21.15 | stoned | zinx, why? |
| 21:21.19 | ug | is there a pointer-theme that can be installed or something that can make the pointer desplay correctly? |
| 21:21.20 | zinx | don't bug us when it breaks, then |
| 21:21.21 | abrotman | doml: i think i went with the initscript :) |
| 21:21.35 | KirbyMeister | zinx: it was kinda broken _before_ i used the --force |
| 21:21.38 | zinx | stoned: because there's almost always a proper way to do it, without using --force to break your system |
| 21:21.51 | stoned | zinx, there is a reason why --force exists |
| 21:21.52 | ug | this is a sid install (today) |
| 21:22.13 | zinx | stoned: yeah, and there's also a reason it's not default |
| 21:22.48 | stoned | zinx, and does it look like a newbie telling another newbie about it? |
| 21:22.50 | zinx | stoned: and a reason you have to ask for help on the various force options specificly. |
| 21:23.02 | jelly-ho | zinx: what's your point? of course force options are used when everything else fails. |
| 21:23.04 | zinx | stoned: it does |
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| 21:23.07 | stoned | zinx, do you even know what KirbyMeister's problem was |
| 21:23.14 | ug | ok, well thanks anyhow |
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| 21:23.46 | KirbyMeister | zinx: if you were wondering, I was --force ing dpkg to remove a package that was flagged for reinstall; because it wouldn't do anything else |
| 21:23.52 | zinx | stoned: installing an obsolete thunderbird package |
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| 21:24.07 | abrotman | mentor: ping |
| 21:24.36 | KirbyMeister | zinx: actually I was upgrading away from it |
| 21:24.40 | stoned | zinx, this was because of an upgrade orignially |
| 21:24.47 | zinx | KirbyMeister: then why did you --reinstall it? |
| 21:24.48 | stoned | zinx, the paste was merely his last attempt |
| 21:24.56 | KirbyMeister | zinx: because dpkg told me to |
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| 21:25.14 | zinx | KirbyMeister: ignore it, uninstall it :D |
| 21:25.23 | KirbyMeister | zinx: that's why I used --force! |
| 21:25.28 | stoned | zinx, I don't understand what has your panties in a knot |
| 21:25.30 | zinx | :P |
| 21:25.40 | zinx | stoned: I have a few minutes to kill. |
| 21:25.50 | stoned | zinx, thats well and good, just don't be a dick about it |
| 21:25.59 | KirbyMeister | honestly I came in here specifically to ask if there was anything to do other than --force it |
| 21:26.06 | zinx | stoned: 99.9% of the time, --force is really awfully bad |
| 21:26.26 | zinx | the other .1% of the time people are using etch/sid |
| 21:26.30 | zinx | and get to keep the pieces anyway |
| 21:27.00 | KirbyMeister | zinx: i _am_ using etch and I just backported a sid package to fix two other problems |
| 21:27.11 | zinx | KirbyMeister: and using both is even *worse* |
| 21:27.29 | zinx | you're better off using only etch, or only sid |
| 21:27.31 | KirbyMeister | zinx: ... do I have to detail out the whole problem I am having? |
| 21:27.31 | laitment | Does Linux generally play nicely with the ATI Xpress motherboard chipset? |
| 21:27.38 | lord_rob | yeah always sid ! :p |
| 21:27.38 | zinx | using sid is better than trying to use etch+sid |
| 21:27.50 | jelly-ho | zinx: it bloody well is not. |
| 21:27.57 | zinx | jelly: it bloody well is. |
| 21:28.03 | KirbyMeister | oh great flame war! |
| 21:28.08 | zinx | jelly: etch+sid produces completely broken systems on a very regular basis |
| 21:28.08 | lord_rob | :) |
| 21:28.28 | KirbyMeister | well a recent etch upgrade broke a couple packages involved with X |
| 21:28.34 | KirbyMeister | so I needed to backport |
| 21:28.38 | zinx | jelly: note, i am saying etch+sid, not just etch. |
| 21:29.04 | zinx | KirbyMeister: generally, the solution there is to not let aptitude/apt-get/whatever it is that you're using perform the upgrade |
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| 21:29.11 | jelly-ho | zinx: maybe on your side. I have decent pinning and carefully selected sid packages, and it mostly works. |
| 21:29.38 | zinx | jelly: i've never used etch+sid |
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| 21:29.58 | zinx | jelly: i just see the complaints here every so often of their mixed system being completely broken. |
| 21:30.04 | KirbyMeister | zinx: I use sid packages when etch packages fail to install; and only if those packages happen to be crucial to X running |
| 21:30.06 | jelly-ho | zinx: ah but you KNOW it's bad and regularly produces problems? Right. |
| 21:30.12 | mikeConigliaro | can anyone tell me how to make a system account in debian? |
| 21:30.13 | zinx | jelly-ho: sure do |
| 21:30.22 | zinx | jelly-ho: support channels are great for that. |
| 21:30.23 | mikeConigliaro | there is no -r in debian's useradd |
| 21:30.25 | lord_rob | KirbyMeister: do you use apitude ? |
| 21:30.30 | abrotman | adduser ? |
| 21:30.33 | KirbyMeister | lord_rob: if you mean apt-get yes |
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| 21:31.06 | KirbyMeister | zinx: plus i'm using the crappy nvidia official drivers that always seem to be broken when you need them to work the most |
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| 21:31.52 | lord_rob | KirbyMeister: no aptitude, which is a front end for apt. It's useful when you have possible dependancies problems, you can see them before doing the upgrade and find a solution before doing the upgrade (the solution consists in pining packages). aptitude is a text gui so you don't need X to run it |
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| 21:32.27 | KirbyMeister | lord_rob: no I use dselect |
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| 21:32.50 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ping |
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| 21:33.22 | bluefox83 | how would i get a list of all the mesa related packages i have installed on my system? |
| 21:33.23 | FromTO | does anyone have software suspend or gpm working. I have 2.6.16 etch but none of these is working. |
| 21:33.31 | xsdg | mikeConigliaro: what do you mean by a "system account"? |
| 21:33.35 | jelly-ho | KirbyMeister: aptitude can also be used as a drop-in replacement for apt-get, like aptitude install <stuff>, aptitude dist-upgrade etc. and it's better at figuring deps. |
| 21:33.37 | lord_rob | KirbyMeister: ah I've never used dselect a lot (only when I installed woody) but I've alays found aptitude way better |
| 21:33.39 | adamt | hi! how do i set up debian for crosscompiling with distcc? |
| 21:33.56 | KirbyMeister | lord_rob: but aptitude seems to be a better choice, it even detects my mouse somehow |
| 21:33.56 | xsdg | adamt: crosscompiling with distcc? or compiling with distcc? |
| 21:33.57 | mikeConigliaro | xsdg, nevermind, i found the adduser command |
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| 21:34.07 | mikeConigliaro | xsdg, which is different that useradd |
| 21:34.13 | xsdg | mikeConigliaro: ::nod:: |
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| 21:34.15 | mikeConigliaro | thanks |
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| 21:34.43 | realist | How do I use apt to find out what package a binary is from? When that binary isn't installed/available? |
| 21:34.52 | abrotman | realist: man dpkg |
| 21:34.52 | lord_rob | KirbyMeister: there's also synaptics but I wouldn't recommend it as it first needs a working X server to work |
| 21:34.55 | abrotman | realist: oh |
| 21:34.59 | abrotman | !tell realist about search |
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| 21:35.10 | jshriver | What package in debian has pp? |
| 21:35.10 | bluefox83 | how do i get a list of locally installed packages? |
| 21:35.15 | KirbyMeister | lord_rob: I used to use synaptic but found it was easier to use a console |
| 21:35.32 | lord_rob | KirbyMeister: you should love aptitude |
| 21:35.59 | lord_rob | well love is not the appropriate word but I'm not a good english speaker :p |
| 21:36.06 | adamt | xsdg: i have a laptop running gentoo (pentium-m) and i want to use my i586 machine (an older amd k6-2) to help compile stuff for my laptop |
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| 21:36.18 | abrotman | bluefox83: man dpkg |
| 21:36.22 | crazy_penguin | good night to all. sleep well! :) |
| 21:37.01 | realist | abrotman: sweet |
| 21:37.08 | realist | I might stick around in this channel |
| 21:37.16 | realist | Could learn a thing or two :-) |
| 21:37.22 | lord_rob | bluefox83: aptitude is a good solution for your problem too |
| 21:37.35 | abrotman | !tell realist about grounding |
| 21:37.45 | xsdg | adamt: I think you need to pass -mcpu to the processes on the other box or something |
| 21:37.55 | xsdg | I'm not exactly sure, but hopefully that'll get you started |
| 21:38.01 | bluefox83 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:38.01 | bluefox83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.01 | bluefox83 | E: Broken packages |
| 21:38.11 | bluefox83 | lord_rob, not at the moment >.> |
| 21:38.31 | _rain | i'm getting "no DHCPOFFERS received" but i see nothing wrong with my machine's setup, network or otherwise, i'm completely stumped |
| 21:38.58 | lord_rob | _rain: no DHCP server around ? |
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| 21:39.13 | adamt | xsdg: i just know that i needs to build a toolchain on the i586-machine that matches the one on the gentoo-box.. hmm.. i might be too sleepy, maybe i should wait until tomorrow :P |
| 21:39.47 | _rain | lord_rob: have DHCP server(s), the box just beside it is fine (that's the one i'm on now) |
| 21:39.48 | xsdg | adamt: x86 can typically build for any other x86, given that the right args are passed to the compiler |
| 21:39.57 | jshriver | Any perl ppl in here? How do you install pp in Debian stable? libpar-perl doesnt exist |
| 21:40.13 | lord_rob | !gentoo |
| 21:40.13 | dpkg | it has been said that gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or ... |
| 21:40.13 | abrotman | pp ? |
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| 21:40.27 | jshriver | perl packager |
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| 21:40.58 | abrotman | jshriver: in CPAN ? |
| 21:41.12 | jshriver | hrm not sure.. it's a program not a module for perl. |
| 21:41.17 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:42.20 | realist | abrotman: I'm not _that_ new to debian/linux |
| 21:42.27 | abrotman | realist: you never know :) |
| 21:42.38 | jshriver | How do you upgrade to testing? and is it recommended? |
| 21:42.44 | jshriver | pp is in testing |
| 21:42.45 | abrotman | !tell jshriver about sarge->etch |
| 21:42.46 | realist | Merely saying old dogs can learn new tricks |
| 21:42.55 | abrotman | jshriver: and noone can decide that except you .. some stuff may break |
| 21:43.01 | adamt | xsdg: okay thanks.. will look into it |
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| 21:43.13 | xsdg | adamt: np; good luck |
| 21:43.33 | adamt | thank you |
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| 21:44.10 | KirbyMeister | lord_ron: thanks a ton for telling me about aptitude |
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| 21:49.13 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:49.14 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 21:51.52 | PumpkinPie | yeah right |
| 21:52.07 | phogg | MediaWiki is just too insanely easy to set up in Debian. |
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| 21:52.38 | bluefox83 | ok, i am in serious need of a fully updated and current source for my sources.list... |
| 21:53.13 | abrotman | let's see your current sources |
| 21:53.14 | exalted | Hi. Is there any place on the net where i can get information about why a specific package is removed/added to main repos? Thank you. |
| 21:53.15 | bnovc | how could i make it so every file written in /dirA is 770 userA:groupA but no where else? |
| 21:53.25 | abrotman | bnovc: man chmod |
| 21:53.32 | bnovc | abrotman, automatically |
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| 21:53.39 | abrotman | umask ? |
| 21:53.44 | bluefox83 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main |
| 21:53.44 | bluefox83 | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
| 21:53.45 | bnovc | how would i do a umask for only that dir |
| 21:53.57 | abrotman | bluefox83: those are fine .. what's wrong with them ? |
| 21:53.59 | Dabian | abrotman : /exec -o umask |
| 21:54.01 | bluefox83 | neither one of them seem to be up to date :( |
| 21:54.11 | abrotman | Dabian: not me .. bnovc |
| 21:54.20 | abrotman | bluefox83: what is out of datE? |
| 21:54.20 | Dabian | bnovc : /exec -o umask |
| 21:54.31 | bnovc | Dabian, hm? |
| 21:54.32 | Dabian | 0002 |
| 21:54.36 | bnovc | how would that work on only one directory |
| 21:54.43 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i can go to the debian website, find packages that are more up to date in unstable that what i can find in my apt search results :( |
| 21:54.51 | abrotman | !tell bluefox83 about mirrors |
| 21:54.52 | abrotman | find your own :) |
| 21:54.53 | bluefox83 | *than |
| 21:55.00 | abrotman | bluefox83: dont' forget to apt-get update |
| 21:55.13 | Dabian | bnovc : (cd target_dir ; umask 777 ; do_stuff ) |
| 21:55.34 | abrotman | Dabian: i think he means permanently :) |
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| 21:55.38 | bnovc | i do |
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| 21:55.43 | bnovc | and i would prefer it be for multiple users |
| 21:55.48 | Dabian | abrotman : Is he lost? |
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| 21:56.03 | bnovc | because SVN is writing files as eric:eric and it should be root:gs |
| 21:56.10 | bnovc | and that breaks SVN http |
| 21:56.22 | Tortel | how can I add the secure testing key? |
| 21:56.28 | Dabian | bnovc : Perhaps your question is more like .. uhmmm ... svn-related, perhaps? |
| 21:56.46 | bnovc | Dabian, svn can't do it, from what i've asked...so i was hoping for a system-wide solution |
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| 21:56.51 | bnovc | so every file there is affected |
| 21:57.24 | Dabian | bnovc : From what I know about the vfs implementation; unless you wanna use PAM, its better to hack SVN somewhat? |
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| 21:57.47 | bnovc | this seems like it would have been a common problem |
| 21:57.53 | Dabian | bnovc : Just a suggestion though. |
| 21:57.53 | bnovc | maybe there is some resolution i'm just missing |
| 21:58.00 | abrotman | Dabian: basically .. from waht i can tell . he wants a per-directory umask :) |
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| 21:58.07 | bnovc | yea |
| 21:58.08 | Dabian | bnovc : Perhaps I miss your point completely. |
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| 21:58.37 | KillerBee | is there any debian kernel in testing that has vesafb? |
| 21:58.43 | Dabian | abrotman : WOuld Z-shell be the way to go for him - or are you bashing ? |
| 21:58.51 | Dabian | KillerBee : I would guess so, yeah. |
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| 21:59.18 | bnovc | Dabian, userA makes fileA, sets to eric:gs/777 imports to SVN which sets it to eric:eric/770 which breaks apache from reading it |
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| 21:59.31 | abrotman | Dabian: i was just pointing out what he watned :) |
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| 21:59.40 | bnovc | so i was hoping to have my system force all files in /svn to be a certain mod/user/grp |
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| 21:59.51 | Dabian | bnovc : Thinking about your idea, it kinda makes sense ... however, what you need is probably SUID or SGUID. |
| 22:00.08 | bnovc | ok i'll google that then |
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| 22:00.15 | bnovc | thanks |
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| 22:00.29 | Dabian | bnovc : Just guessing .. I am not using svn yet ... |
| 22:00.45 | Dabian | bnovc : Btw. SGUID might be SGID.. |
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| 22:00.51 | bnovc | Dabian, oh...setting svn to run as a different user? |
| 22:01.08 | bnovc | ig running as apache |
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| 22:01.14 | Dabian | bnovc : Ahh .. good idea. |
| 22:01.15 | Billionaire | how can I set gtk font size? |
| 22:01.23 | Dabian | bnovc : To run as different user, that is. |
| 22:01.27 | bnovc | right |
| 22:01.54 | bnovc | although that would break people from importing because users from my svn dont have access to the web group |
| 22:02.15 | bnovc | i guess they could always import/export through apache |
| 22:02.21 | realist | Might need to add them to a single purpose web group |
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| 22:02.31 | Billionaire | Is there an application like gtk-theme-switch2 for setting font size? |
| 22:02.32 | bnovc | realist, i did :P |
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| 22:02.35 | bnovc | they're in 'gs' |
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| 22:02.52 | bnovc | but if i set svn to run as www-data, it will set the file to www-data:www-data |
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| 22:03.05 | sid | Where can I get a "Debian GNU / Linux Sid" key chain? |
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| 22:03.11 | Erudified | gentlemen I have successfully migrated 12 redhat enterprise linux servers to debian |
| 22:03.17 | Erudified | the world is a better place. |
| 22:03.20 | sid | Erudified: Why? |
| 22:03.21 | realist | heh |
| 22:03.26 | realist | Some would disagree |
| 22:03.28 | Erudified | I *despise* rhel3 |
| 22:03.32 | sid | Erudified: If you didn't want to pay for support then you should have just got CentOS |
| 22:03.47 | realist | I don't much like RH either |
| 22:03.55 | sid | neither do I |
| 22:03.59 | Erudified | we can afford to pay for support, but I'd much rather they were paying *me* for support =) |
| 22:04.03 | sid | But useless migrating is a waste of time. |
| 22:04.11 | realist | Most corporates prefer it though, it seems |
| 22:04.20 | sid | Erudified: Should have gone to CentOS |
| 22:04.31 | sid | The company is stupid for paying you for uselessly migrating for no reason. |
| 22:04.41 | sid | But good job squeezing the pennies out of them. I would have done the same. |
| 22:04.46 | KillerBee | do you have any ideea what would be the name of the kernel that comes with vesafb? |
| 22:04.53 | realist | sid, we all would have ;p |
| 22:05.34 | Erudified | Nah I'm in charge of IT |
| 22:05.35 | Dabian | tty1 : Struts is probably outdated by now. |
| 22:05.40 | Erudified | I'm more proficient with Debian than RHEL |
| 22:05.45 | Erudified | the migration made perfect sense |
| 22:05.58 | Erudified | it went seamlessly, no one will even know it happened |
| 22:06.02 | Erudified | except you guys =) |
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| 22:07.12 | Dabian | bnovc : You could create a group and user for svn. It woudl surprise me if svn cannot have umask. |
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| 22:07.41 | bnovc | i think i'll just add www-data to all the users' groups who use this |
| 22:07.41 | realist | Erudified: until the next guy comes along, who happens to be RHCE... muhaha |
| 22:07.44 | bnovc | i guess that would be a solution |
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| 22:07.59 | Erudified | realist, and his eyeballs happen to come up missing mysteriously |
| 22:08.08 | Erudified | =D |
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| 22:08.27 | realist | I meant, once you've moved onto greener pastures ;p |
| 22:08.42 | Erudified | oh, hell nah man, I *love* my gig |
| 22:09.09 | Erudified | I wouldn't change to a 'corporate' environment for 3x the money and kickass benefits |
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| 22:10.21 | realist | What environment are you in now? If not corporate? |
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| 22:10.31 | pipeline | realist: cock jockey |
| 22:10.39 | Erudified | giddy up |
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| 22:11.04 | samuel | anyone use beagle here? after a few re-indexes it always starts to use 100% of CPU and never seems to finish indexing |
| 22:11.09 | Erudified | a medium-sized internet business, realist |
| 22:11.11 | samuel | anyone met with this before? |
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| 22:12.38 | I_FARTED | NIGGERS! |
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| 22:12.46 | I_FARTED | NIGGERS! |
| 22:12.49 | Erudified | hit the nail on the head there |
| 22:12.55 | Erudified | im blacker than the ace of spades |
| 22:13.45 | Dabian | I_FARTED: Carefull! Not everybody enjoys a good old profanity flood! You might find yourself warned and possibly muted rather fast! |
| 22:13.49 | cyzie | anybody can explain what is setuid ? |
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| 22:14.04 | Dabian | !tell cyzie about SUID |
| 22:14.34 | Erudified | yes, Dabian, we'll be very angry, and we'll write them a long letter telling them just how angry we are |
| 22:14.53 | Erudified | it'll be like the UN except slightly more heterosexual and smellier |
| 22:15.44 | cyzie | Dabian, what is the purpose of setuid? can you give real life example please? |
| 22:16.03 | Dabian | Erudified : You might wanna help them keep the attention while reading, through applying some kind of electrocution device to their tongue and nipples, or something. |
| 22:16.06 | Erudified | cyzie, Allowing the X server to access devices that it wouldn't otherwise have access to if it were running with your priveliges |
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| 22:16.35 | Dabian | cyzie : There are lots .. beware that there is difference between directories and executables, though. |
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| 22:17.00 | cyzie | Erudified, Dabian okay. thanks i will keep that in mind the nexttime i encounter setuid. thanks guys |
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| 22:17.45 | Dabian | Erudified : I don't know if it will help them concentrate, but it will sure make them look funny! :-) |
| 22:17.47 | aesxa | Hi. My dpkg and apt-get is severely messed up. |
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| 22:18.11 | Tortel | hmm, I need the help with this key error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2751 |
| 22:18.18 | Dabian | aesxa : Which b***tards did that!!? |
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| 22:18.25 | Erudified | my cat is going batshit crazy =( |
| 22:18.41 | aesxa | I know right. |
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| 22:19.09 | aesxa | Uhh. Yeah. I can't install a lot of things that I need to be able to install ... it says that the pacakges aren't there, but they're supposed to be. |
| 22:19.31 | Erudified | pastebin.ca the errors? |
| 22:19.35 | Dabian | zzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 22:19.40 | Dabian | I need sleep |
| 22:19.51 | Dabian | sleep well, all GNUs. |
| 22:20.05 | aesxa | For instance, apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment says a bunch of things are not installable. These things are supposed to be installable. |
| 22:20.18 | aesxa | I'll paste part of the errors in #flood |
| 22:20.24 | Erudified | metapackages have a long history of being broken |
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| 22:21.33 | aesxa | Erudified, well, I can't even install the non-metapackages. For instance, installation fails on any of those dependencies that I just pasted into #flood |
| 22:21.47 | Erudified | im not there... |
| 22:21.54 | Erudified | try again |
| 22:22.03 | KillerBee | I installed the 2.6.16-beyond4 kernel in order to get vesafb working. now whener i boot my computer just resets |
| 22:22.13 | KillerBee | any ideeas what went wrong |
| 22:22.17 | Erudified | have you tried apt-get -f install; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 22:22.27 | aesxa | Erudified, yes. |
| 22:22.36 | Erudified | version of debian? |
| 22:22.56 | aesxa | etch. |
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| 22:24.04 | Erudified | yeah, I have the same problem, actually |
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| 22:24.35 | jawd | what command do i type to know what OS is my dedicated server using? |
| 22:24.42 | aesxa | Hmm, that's good I guess. I was about to reinstall. |
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| 22:25.24 | peterS | jawd: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:25.32 | aesxa | Any word on when this will be fixed? Because I really, really, really need it to be fixed. |
| 22:25.49 | jawd | [root@localhost root]# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:25.49 | jawd | cat: /etc/debian_version: No such file or directory |
| 22:25.52 | Erudified | I'm sure stable works, so if you can use it in the interim, I'd do that |
| 22:25.53 | ChrisW | why would /etc/resolve.conf be symlinked to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf on ym system, and then why would /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf nto exist? |
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| 22:26.08 | peterS | jawd: sometimes, for other Linux distributions, you can get clues from the kernel and libc versions, too: 'uname -r' and 'readlink /lib/libc.so.6' |
| 22:26.25 | ChrisW | my guess is that "aptitude install postfix" inadvertantly dragged in resolvconf, which I then removed... has that now trashed my resolv.conf? |
| 22:26.35 | Erudified | aesxa, tried using aptitude? |
| 22:26.38 | peterS | ChrisW: because the 'resolvconf' package is a steaming pile |
| 22:26.52 | jawd | i just wanna know if im using redhat.. debian.. slackware or whatever |
| 22:26.55 | aesxa | Erudified, I can't really. I guess I can try installing a small stable on another partition, but I'd have to debootstrap that. Would that work, do you think? Erudified, yes. |
| 22:27.05 | ChrisW | peterS: fucking right, and the fact that aptitude, by default, drags in recommended paclkages is also a steaming pile :-( |
| 22:27.11 | Erudified | aesxa, you *have* tried aptitude? cuz that does work for me |
| 22:27.34 | Erudified | aesxa, I just accept the solution it offers |
| 22:27.44 | ChrisW | anyone know _why_ resolveconf is "recommended" for postfix? |
| 22:27.44 | Tortel | con someone please help me?? http://channels.debian.net/paste/2751 |
| 22:27.52 | Tortel | i have no idea how to add that key... |
| 22:28.04 | peterS | ChrisW: no. it most definitely should drag in recommended packages. "Recommends:" often means "if you don't have this other package installed, lots of things won't work correctly, but a few things might, so not quite _everyone_ wants this" |
| 22:28.09 | aesxa | Erudified, I have tried aptitude, and it didn't work last night. Maybe I should try again? The solutions it gave were to keep them all uninstalled. |
| 22:28.11 | Erudified | aesxa, and, yes, debootstrap and chroot would probably work, but it might break if you didn't use xnest |
| 22:28.39 | aesxa | Erudified, debootstrap tells me E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages |
| 22:28.41 | ChrisW | peterS: okay, so why is resolveconf "recommended" for postfix? *sulk* |
| 22:29.07 | ChrisW | eesh, I red that nick as "asexual"... think I need help ;-) |
| 22:29.24 | peterS | ChrisW: I don't know |
| 22:29.30 | Erudified | aesxa|brb, I'll try and get a fix worked out on my machine, give me a minute |
| 22:29.30 | jawd | [kod@localhost kod]$ ./sc |
| 22:29.30 | jawd | ./sc: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 22:29.37 | jawd | can someone tell me how i can fix that |
| 22:30.10 | peterS | jawd: that's a problem. how did you compile sc? |
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| 22:30.21 | jawd | it was already compiled |
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| 22:30.26 | jawd | i just tar zxvf it |
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| 22:31.07 | aesxa | Erudified, ok, thank you. : ) |
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| 22:31.54 | peterS | jawd: then install libstdc++6 |
| 22:32.06 | jawd | where can i find it? |
| 22:32.10 | peterS | ummm, apt-get install |
| 22:32.11 | jawd | rpmfind.net? |
| 22:32.25 | peterS | uh, you are in #debian. we don't use rpms here |
| 22:32.29 | jawd | i dont think im using debian |
| 22:32.32 | Erudified | aesxa, apt-get install gnome-applets |
| 22:32.35 | jawd | how can i know what distro im using |
| 22:32.36 | peterS | then I don't think we have any idea how to help you |
| 22:32.58 | blondie | LOL |
| 22:32.58 | Erudified | jawd, ls /etc/*version |
| 22:33.13 | aesxa | Erudified, E: Package gnome-applets has no installation candidate |
| 22:33.15 | peterS | I told you how to possibly identify your OS by looking at kernel and libc versions. the kernel version in particular (uname -r) sometimes gives a clue to the vendor, like having 'mdk' in it if it's mandrake |
| 22:33.18 | jawd | ls: /etc/*version: No such file or directory |
| 22:33.31 | Erudified | jawd, you sure you're using linux? =) |
| 22:33.37 | jawd | .. |
| 22:33.44 | blondie | uname -a |
| 22:33.47 | blondie | what does that say |
| 22:33.51 | ChrisW | solaris maybe? ;-) |
| 22:33.53 | peterS | he's probably using NexentaOS |
| 22:33.56 | jawd | Linux localhost 2.6.5-1.358 #1 Sat May 8 09:04:50 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 22:34.00 | Erudified | PlacentaOS |
| 22:34.28 | peterS | jawd: your best bet is to see if google knows anything about a common kernel labeled '2.6.5-1.358' |
| 22:34.54 | jawd | fedora core 2 |
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| 22:36.24 | jawd | just a question |
| 22:36.28 | jawd | i got perl codes |
| 22:36.32 | jawd | how can i use them? |
| 22:36.35 | jawd | mv test.pl |
| 22:36.39 | blondie | please, ask in # |
| 22:36.39 | jawd | paste the codes |
| 22:36.42 | blondie | please, ask in #fedora |
| 22:36.43 | aesxa | jawd, use #fedora |
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| 22:38.13 | DarkMoonDawning | I heard there's a big fuss about xorg 7.0.0 >:) |
| 22:38.26 | peterS | there is, but whether it's justified is another matter |
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| 22:38.47 | aesxa | Yeah, Xorg 7 broke some stuff I use, so I uninstalled it and a lot of other packages and am now screwed. : ( |
| 22:38.47 | peterS | it Just Works for most people. some complain about mplayer being slow with vo=x11, but mplayer isn't in debian anyway |
| 22:38.59 | DarkMoonDawning | I bet you've heard this before, but does fglrx work with it? If not I'm going to move to stable lol |
| 22:39.22 | peterS | no clue. I'm very fortunate in not having to care about fglrx or nvidia closed drivers |
| 22:39.25 | DerJamster | Hmh..yeah, it works with 7, but I only got it to work with the fglrx-driver package and the module assistant |
| 22:39.38 | DerJamster | not with the driver installer from the ati site |
| 22:39.43 | DarkMoonDawning | That's good... but I need fast rendering for blender |
| 22:40.13 | DarkMoonDawning | Well I installed unstable to use the fglrx package from non-free, however there is no acceleration. |
| 22:40.22 | DerJamster | there is |
| 22:40.26 | DerJamster | I've just used it :> |
| 22:40.42 | DerJamster | basically install fglrx-driver, then run module-assistant |
| 22:41.01 | DerJamster | also make sure it uses the same gcc that you might have used for a custom kernel |
| 22:41.01 | DarkMoonDawning | So there is something I can do with module-assistant to make it work? because with the make.sh that comes with the install give me cannot find matching ip-library |
| 22:41.28 | DerJamster | make.sh? yeah. just apt-get the driver, module assistant, then run module assistant and select fglrx |
| 22:41.31 | DarkMoonDawning | Oh I'm using 4.0 something, which I did cat /proc/version and that's 4.0 something as well lol |
| 22:41.57 | cusco | dudes... |
| 22:42.06 | cusco | im using testing and I upgraded to xorg7 today |
| 22:42.15 | cusco | it was a bit of a hassle but im here |
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| 22:42.29 | cusco | now.. my laptop mouse |
| 22:42.34 | DarkMoonDawning | lol |
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| 22:42.34 | cusco | goes really really slow |
| 22:42.41 | DerJamster | heh :) Ow. |
| 22:42.43 | cusco | like it had been before :| |
| 22:42.43 | DerJamster | try this.. |
| 22:42.47 | cusco | and.... |
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| 22:43.02 | DerJamster | try, in an xterm: xset m 5 5 |
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| 22:43.11 | DerJamster | and use the mouse |
| 22:43.13 | DarkMoonDawning | ok I'm in the module-assistant menu what do I do, update? |
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| 22:43.25 | cusco | somtimes I likt to play "armagetronad" but after xorg7 I have to use really low detailed graphics and it still goes slow |
| 22:43.33 | cusco | xset let me try |
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| 22:43.38 | DerJamster | cusco: yeah, your 3d rendering isn't accellerated |
| 22:43.47 | DerJamster | Didn't get it to work in Testing with xorg7. |
| 22:44.02 | cusco | DerJamster: it looks like slower, the mouse |
| 22:44.03 | cusco | !! |
| 22:44.03 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 22:44.11 | DerJamster | cusco: then try higher numbers :> |
| 22:44.26 | DarkMoonDawning | okay I selected fglrx-kernel |
| 22:44.32 | DerJamster | DarkMoonDawning: update, then prepare (see if it gets anything), then select it and run |
| 22:44.40 | DerJamster | DarkMoonDawning: then rmmod fglrx, restart xorg |
| 22:44.44 | DerJamster | if it does not work.. |
| 22:44.48 | phogg | but !! is for bash, too... |
| 22:44.53 | DarkMoonDawning | thanks |
| 22:44.57 | cusco | DerJamster: I tryed like 50 50 it stays slow :| |
| 22:45.10 | DerJamster | make sure /usr/bin/gcc points to the gcc you used for the kernel, and run module-assistant again with fglrx |
| 22:45.13 | DerJamster | no prepare, no update |
| 22:45.17 | cusco | but my psmouse goes fast |
| 22:45.20 | DerJamster | cusco: hmmh. no idea then :/ |
| 22:45.21 | nvz | I dont currently have internet at my house but I've hooked two computers together using an ethernet hub and I had them talking to each other for a few days then one came unplugged and now its back to saying destination host unreachable. route on the rebooted box reads 10.0.0.0 * U ...etc and thats it and the interfaces file reads iface eth0 inet static |
| 22:45.38 | cusco | its the synaptics driver |
| 22:45.49 | nvz | address 10.0.0.2 \n netmask 255.255.255.0 \n dstaddr 10.0.0.1 |
| 22:45.52 | cusco | so DerJamster there is no 3d in xorg7 ?? |
| 22:45.54 | DerJamster | nvz: make sure ifconfig is reporting correct IPs on both. |
| 22:46.07 | nvz | the other box is similar except the route to 10.0.0.2 is still in there |
| 22:46.07 | DerJamster | cusco: Well, like I said..I didn't get it to work in testing. In unstable I managed |
| 22:46.22 | cusco | :| |
| 22:46.23 | aesxa | man this is a bummer. Oh well, I guess a good opportunity for me to try out Ubuntu. Thanks for the help everyone. Later. |
| 22:46.26 | nvz | I dont know how to set the route.. I thought the dstaddr thing set it the first time I had it working but didnt carry across a reboot |
| 22:46.41 | DerJamster | nvz: what are the IPs of both boxes? |
| 22:46.46 | DerJamster | 10.0.0.2 and 3? |
| 22:46.57 | nvz | DerJamster: 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 I made them |
| 22:47.10 | DerJamster | hokay. make sure ifconfig shows the IPs correctly on both boxes |
| 22:47.14 | nvz | DerJamster: it worked for a few days until I accidentally unplugged 10.0.0.2 |
| 22:47.18 | DerJamster | then you shouldn't need any routes if it's a hub. |
| 22:47.32 | nvz | DerJamster: I know nothing about networking |
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| 22:47.38 | DerJamster | just make sure both interfaces are up and running in ifconfig |
| 22:47.44 | nvz | DerJamster: all I know is I have no gateway |
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| 22:47.55 | DerJamster | nvz: well, is the hub connected to a router? |
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| 22:48.00 | SixtyWatt | Hello, is there a plf repository for etch? |
| 22:48.07 | nvz | DerJamster: nope just a two way link no gateway |
| 22:48.18 | nvz | DerJamster: this is why they need to know how to find each other |
| 22:48.20 | DerJamster | nvz: then you don't need any gateway/route setting |
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| 22:48.29 | DerJamster | just make sure both have the correct IPs |
| 22:48.52 | DerJamster | ifconfig, and check for the IPs of eth0 on each |
| 22:48.57 | DerJamster | (if they only have one network card) |
| 22:49.09 | nvz | DerJamster: could you explain to me then the things I do need for two boxes to communicate via a hub without any gateway to forward packets? I lucked upon iut working the first time using the dstaddr attribute in man 5 interfaces |
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| 22:49.36 | DerJamster | nvz: nothing. They need nothing at all except a good IP in the same subnet |
| 22:49.37 | facefaceface | hello |
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| 22:49.49 | DerJamster | so if one box has 10.0.0.1 and the other has 10.0.0.2, everything should be alright |
| 22:49.50 | DarkMoonDawning | Hi. |
| 22:49.53 | DerJamster | make sure they -have- those. |
| 22:49.54 | nvz | DerJamster: my first attempt was just setting ips with ifconfig that were the same subnet but it kept saying destination host unreachable because there was no route to the hose |
| 22:49.56 | DarkMoonDawning | Modules assistant failed. |
| 22:50.07 | DerJamster | nvz: try this.. |
| 22:50.12 | facefaceface | I am an ubuntu user (not by choice mind) and I am getting no joy on #ubuntu, so I come to flaunt my stupidity here |
| 22:50.15 | nvz | DerJamster: how the hell do they know they are out there if there is no routes and no gateway |
| 22:50.24 | nvz | DerJamster: pc is in another town. I dont have internet |
| 22:50.35 | DerJamster | nvz: er.. |
| 22:50.40 | nvz | DerJamster: I am just looking to learn how to do this for when I go home |
| 22:50.45 | amphi | facefaceface: who has forced you to use ubuntu? ;) |
| 22:50.55 | DarkMoonDawning | I like testing better than ubuntu |
| 22:51.05 | facefaceface | well... forced is a strong word... lets say 'mr lazy' did it to me |
| 22:51.12 | DerJamster | nvz: ah. well, like I said. Just make sure both have IPs of the same subnet. I.e. both use 10.0.0.* and the subnet is 255.255.255.0 for example |
| 22:51.28 | DerJamster | nvz: no gateway/route needed to communicate with IPs in the same 'net. |
| 22:51.35 | DarkMoonDawning | Like idk, i don't like the feel of Ubuntu, I get a good feeling use Debian though, all those juicy packages just ready at one command mmm |
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| 22:51.39 | robertis | i setup a software RAID1, now how do i install grub on BOTH drives, or will it do it automatically |
| 22:51.42 | facefaceface | I am an FC user by choice, which is linux for dummies as I understand it |
| 22:51.43 | DerJamster | DarkMoonDawning: haha :) |
| 22:51.45 | robertis | im in the installer by the way |
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| 22:52.03 | amphi | facefaceface: I thought it was just red hat unstable ;) |
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| 22:52.08 | facefaceface | so I never used apt before, always yum previously |
| 22:52.13 | robertis | facefaceface: no linux is "linux for dummies" |
| 22:52.16 | nvz | DerJamster: I guess *shrug* they just dont see each other for some reason. I've never been on a network that didnt have an uplink to the internet and/or some kind of gateway device |
| 22:52.16 | facefaceface | heheh, amphi that it is |
| 22:52.28 | facefaceface | robertis, ahhh... |
| 22:52.46 | DerJamster | nvz: Hmmh. Well, can only be the IP and subnet mask that is causing some conflict. try with 192.168.0.* and subnet 255.255.255.0 when you get home |
| 22:52.51 | nvz | DerJamster: the man pages mentioned doing a two-way link using the dstaddr to declare your partner in the connection and it worked initially |
| 22:52.57 | facefaceface | so with this apt milarky... I am getting the following error... |
| 22:53.04 | facefaceface | The following packages cannot be authenticated!!!oneoneeon |
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| 22:53.10 | DerJamster | facefaceface: just type yes |
| 22:53.16 | facefaceface | (which is surprizing for an error message) |
| 22:53.17 | robertis | apt-cache search whatever && apt-get install whatever |
| 22:53.20 | robertis | only two commands you need :P |
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| 22:53.31 | facefaceface | DerJamster, but 'some body coudl be trying to kill me etc' |
| 22:53.42 | DerJamster | facefaceface: Then go forth my son, and arm yourself. |
| 22:53.43 | DarkMoonDawning | I reinstalled the fglrx apckages now module-assistant is doing SOMETHING |
| 22:53.48 | DerJamster | DarkMoonDawning: heh :) |
| 22:53.51 | facefaceface | DerJamster, I am looking for a way to install a key to make it not say that |
| 22:53.58 | DarkMoonDawning | yay killing x wish me luck |
| 22:54.02 | amphi | facefaceface: find thyself an island, and gird it about with weapons |
| 22:54.04 | nvz | you'd think as many years as I;ve hung out here I would have someones phone number to ask simple questions like this from home :P |
| 22:54.12 | DerJamster | facefaceface: apt-get install gnupg. Then look at the site of the repository in your browser..they should have some instructions there. |
| 22:54.22 | nvz | I can get on irc with my phone but it doesnt stay connected long enough to be useful |
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| 22:55.06 | nvz | I want to get internet at home, but I cant afford it and the cable is in the landlords name so I got to come up with money then talk them into tacking internet on to my rent |
| 22:55.07 | Sadus | hello, i'm pm testing an upgraded xorg, some X applications such as rdesktop/ppraceer/Xnest give me the following error: X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
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| 22:55.30 | evaded | Hi guys |
| 22:55.39 | jhenn | does debian allow you to install over wireless (assuming your card is supported)? |
| 22:55.47 | facefaceface | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main Packages |
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| 22:56.01 | facefaceface | DerJamster, its that one... me goes to look |
| 22:56.08 | nvz | jhenn: if your card was supported and working in the installer debian wouldnt know the difference |
| 22:56.12 | DarkMoonDawning | okay, glxgears is going about 1fps, and my laptop's fans are on high speed now... :( |
| 22:56.34 | DarkMoonDawning | eh, I'll go install stable |
| 22:56.38 | DerJamster | DarkMoonDawning: okay..are you running a custom kernel? |
| 22:56.48 | DarkMoonDawning | No k7 on a sempron k8 |
| 22:56.58 | nvz | jhenn: I would say its always good to get the netinstall that has a base system so you dont have to get the network up until after you have booted into your debian system and want to fetch additional packages |
| 22:57.07 | DerJamster | DarkMoonDawning: Hrmm. No idea then without taking a look myself, sorry. |
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| 22:57.19 | nvz | jhenn: other than that I have no experience or knowledge of wireless or installing with it |
| 22:57.28 | DarkMoonDawning | I'm using 32 bit because on 64 bit I've never gotten acceleration to work, I come back to testing on 32 I've always been able to get acceleration to work now it's not |
| 22:57.40 | evaded | On my laptop i want to scale a bit the cpu speed in some cases. I'm look to 'cpufreqd'. So i have install it an now the apt tell me that 'Unable to find a CpuFreq interface in your kernel'. So what mean it. And need i recompile an kerenl or so? I not know exactly what i need to do |
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| 22:57.54 | eddiecheng | jhenn : recommend dont install over wireless , i bricked my system twice and have to go down to datacentre to reinstall. Do it only if you are really experience and try on local system first |
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| 22:58.40 | jhenn | eddiecheng: um how did you "brick" your system? |
| 22:58.52 | DarkMoonDawning | Hmm... can I downgrade a running unstable to stable? |
| 22:58.56 | jhenn | eddiecheng: i installed ubuntu over wireless plenty of times with different cards too |
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| 22:59.07 | FarrisG | If I change my logrotate conf from keeping 52 weeks to keeping 32 weeks, is there any easy way to manually invoke the weekly rotation and delete the older logs? |
| 22:59.15 | nvz | DarkMoonDawning: download a sarge cd and resintall over it |
| 22:59.28 | nvz | DarkMoonDawning: reformatting |
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| 22:59.52 | DarkMoonDawning | nvz: I have those I was just wondering if I could edit sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:59.59 | DarkMoonDawning | to sarge |
| 23:00.13 | nvz | DarkMoonDawning: no massive breakage and headache |
| 23:00.13 | raopm | hello. what package creates the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in debian. How do I recreate it? |
| 23:00.31 | DarkMoonDawning | nvz: I was lucky I didn't get one going from etch to sid lol |
| 23:00.47 | DarkMoonDawning | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 23:00.52 | bluefox83 | where do i go for java / firefox help? |
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| 23:01.00 | nvz | DarkMoonDawning: yeah well downgrading isnt as easy as upgrading. upgrading often goes quite smoothly |
| 23:01.11 | raopm | i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but it does not create a new xorg.conf |
| 23:01.16 | DarkMoonDawning | Okay |
| 23:01.30 | robertis | anyone here have a penuis |
| 23:02.36 | peterS | is that like a pendrive? |
| 23:02.37 | DarkMoonDawning | Well I must shower this hair dye out so maybe I'll have acceleration by the end of the night, because i've had it on 32 bit before but the clock was skewed, these HP laptops have buggy bios but I updated the BIOS and the scew is fixed so now I'm back on 32 |
| 23:02.50 | peterS | or a pen-test? |
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| 23:03.14 | peterS | DarkMoonDawning: I hope getting rid of your hair dye fixes your debian problems |
| 23:03.26 | DarkMoonDawning | it fucking should |
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| 23:03.30 | robertis | pen15? |
| 23:03.34 | DarkMoonDawning | no but brb |
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| 23:03.59 | clusty | how can i tell some progie to use libs and header files from a non standard place? (proggie has makefiles made by configure script) |
| 23:04.06 | peterS | oh, do you know the abrotman, the abrotman, the abrotman? |
| 23:04.08 | robertis | affa |
| 23:04.08 | robertis | sfa |
| 23:04.08 | robertis | sf |
| 23:04.08 | robertis | saf |
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| 23:04.13 | abrotman | yay! |
| 23:04.15 | abrotman | peterS: hi |
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| 23:04.20 | robertis | asff |
| 23:04.20 | robertis | asff |
| 23:04.24 | peterS | *grin* hi |
| 23:04.27 | abrotman | wtf is this? |
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| 23:04.32 | amphi | clusty: -I/some/include/dir -L/some/lib/dir |
| 23:04.36 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.38 | robertis | rm -fr /some/lib/dir |
| 23:04.41 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.43 | peterS | robertis is some sort of clumsy troll. we aren't sure what kind. |
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| 23:04.46 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.47 | abrotman | peterS: no ops ? |
| 23:04.52 | deconvolution | hello, i am trying to configure my nfs service with shorewall by using steps in http://wiki.debian.org/?SecuringNFS however, i got permission denied. Where I can find the extact problems? |
| 23:04.54 | raopm | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not create the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf for me |
| 23:04.55 | peterS | nobody's called for them yet |
| 23:04.56 | amphi | clusty: or you can tell the configure script about them |
| 23:04.56 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.59 | robertis | OP UR ASS BITCHHHHHHHHHH |
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| 23:05.04 | clusty | amphi, and i put that in some weird env variable? |
| 23:05.06 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.10 | robertis | HOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 23:05.11 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.16 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.17 | raopm | how do i create a new xorg.conf file? |
| 23:05.19 | robertis | penisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 23:05.21 | peterS | !ops robertis a bit of a nuisance |
| 23:05.21 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: peters complains about: robertis a bit of a nuisance |
| 23:05.22 | thingfish | !ops it's obvious |
| 23:05.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: thingfish complains about: it's obvious |
| 23:05.27 | clusty | amphi, there used to be like CFLAGS and LDFLAGS or how were they called? |
| 23:05.31 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.36 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.46 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.48 | thingfish | whack his peepee. |
| 23:05.51 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.56 | amphi | clusty: there are those too; ./configure --help will tell you how to specify the dirs to configure |
| 23:05.56 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.01 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.06 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.08 | thingfish | ok so I guess it's over to oftc. |
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| 23:06.16 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:06.21 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.22 | peterS | thingfish: if you wish. both channels are pretty active |
| 23:06.26 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.31 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.41 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.42 | glut | anyone here to let this punk suffer? |
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| 23:06.45 | clusty | amphi, thanx |
| 23:06.46 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.56 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.06 | robertis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:07.23 | zenwryly | What should I use to edit a PDF? |
| 23:07.31 | abrotman | openoffice .. maybe |
| 23:07.40 | abrotman | oh .. of course .. after i ask staff to kill him .. he stops |
| 23:07.44 | peterS | zenwryly: pdfs aren't intended to be editable. get the source of the document, which will be openoffice or ms word or some such |
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| 23:08.52 | zenwryly | peterS: I want to mark up a PDF and I can't get at the source |
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| 23:09.14 | peterS | zenwryly: I don't know of any debian package that will do what you want. Adobe Acrobat, which lots of spammers will sell you for cheap, will do it |
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| 23:09.46 | zenwryly | peterS: I was afraid of that |
| 23:09.49 | zenwryly | peterS: thanks |
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| 23:10.47 | icedtea | is there a debian app that will read text? |
| 23:10.53 | abrotman | dozens |
| 23:11.02 | abrotman | icedtea: oh .. you mean through your speakers? |
| 23:11.03 | peterS | icedtea: festival is the most popular one |
| 23:11.11 | icedtea | abrotman: yes |
| 23:11.13 | abrotman | i thought he meant a text editor :) |
| 23:11.18 | peterS | ah, heh |
| 23:11.19 | abrotman | icedtea: yes .. festival |
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| 23:11.32 | icedtea | ok let me search for it |
| 23:11.41 | peterS | pipe through festival --tts, or learn all the interesting tuning options |
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| 23:11.47 | peterS | (tts == text to speech) |
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| 23:12.41 | abrotman | peters for ops! |
| 23:13.09 | peterS | abrotman: thanks for the vote ... I think you're next in line though, and I'd support you |
| 23:13.26 | abrotman | peterS: i highly doubt it :) |
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| 23:13.32 | abrotman | peterS: asg for ops! |
| 23:13.33 | lostson | anyone got transparencies and such working on etch and if so are they working well for you ? |
| 23:13.37 | abrotman | !tell ViriiGuy about root |
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| 23:13.52 | abrotman | lostson: you mean with Xgl and/or cairo ? |
| 23:14.04 | peterS | abrotman: is he around that much? I don't poke my head in here often enough to be sure |
| 23:14.15 | abrotman | peterS: not so much during the day lately |
| 23:14.31 | lostson | abrotman: kinda sorta yes |
| 23:14.33 | DerJamster | abrotman: eh? no more 'roooot has landed!' in here? :> |
| 23:14.42 | abrotman | DerJamster: no .. and i miss that very much |
| 23:14.53 | DerJamster | Been gone to long.. *muttermutter* |
| 23:14.55 | abrotman | lostson: that functionality is not in etch |
| 23:15.04 | lostson | figures |
| 23:15.06 | abrotman | cairo is .. xgl is not |
| 23:15.09 | lostson | ok thanks |
| 23:15.23 | robertis | can i get a BAN ban banbanbnbnabnaanba |
| 23:15.30 | abrotman | try harder |
| 23:15.54 | abrotman | -ChanServ- An access level of [10] is required for [OP] on #debian .. i tried |
| 23:15.57 | FarrisG | Anybody really familiar with logrotate? I have been keeping 52 weeks worth of logs for most of my apps, but I want to change that to something less. I have far too many log directories to go delete all of the old gz log files for those weeks beyond my new threshold. Is there a way to automatically remove these? logrotate doesn't appear to do it by default, and just leaves those old files to rot. |
| 23:16.15 | robertis | chmod 777 / -R && chown root:root / -R && echo HAHA BITCH |
| 23:16.16 | abrotman | FarrisG: which in particular ? |
| 23:16.38 | DerJamster | If logrotate can't do it, run a cron job that checks for old logs, I guess. |
| 23:16.39 | FarrisG | abrotman: CUrrently apache, but I'm going to do the same with mysql as well |
| 23:16.49 | DerJamster | I mean, too old logs. |
| 23:17.00 | abrotman | FarrisG: there's a /etc/logrotate.d/apache or something ? |
| 23:17.11 | robertis | give me a bannnnnnn |
| 23:17.13 | robertis | i want a bannnnnnn |
| 23:17.18 | FarrisG | abrotman: Correct, that's where I made the change. Bu |
| 23:17.20 | robertis | +b is for me |
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| 23:17.36 | sid | What is a good way to only move the first 100 files in a directory? |
| 23:17.38 | abrotman | HedgeMage: just wait .. something will bite you |
| 23:17.43 | HedgeMage | lol |
| 23:17.49 | FarrisG | but it doesn't remove the old logs beyond the new threshold. I was just wondering if there was a switch or something to do this before I go plugging away at my own script to do it |
| 23:18.00 | abrotman | FarrisG: paste it in #flood please |
| 23:18.12 | sid | for i in `ls|head -100`; do mv $i dir; done |
| 23:18.28 | sid | Is there something more simple then that? |
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| 23:18.37 | abrotman | ViriiGuy: better |
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| 23:18.59 | ViriiGuy | Heheh yea sorry I forgot I was in root |
| 23:19.01 | pablasso | hello |
| 23:19.03 | pablasso | i got a problem here, anyone knows if theres a command to add permanent routes? so i dont lose the routes i add with the command 'route' on restart |
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| 23:19.10 | sandman | When I run |
| 23:19.29 | peterS | sid: that's pretty dangerous if a user has created a file named, for example, "; cd ..; cd ..; cd ..; rm -fr ." |
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| 23:20.33 | FarrisG | abrotman: Pasted |
| 23:20.35 | FarrisG | abrotman: I just changed "rotate 36" from "rotate 52" |
| 23:20.37 | abrotman | FarrisG: do you want 36 .gz files ? |
| 23:20.43 | sid | peterS: yes, but I don't run it as root |
| 23:20.45 | FarrisG | abrotman: Yes sir |
| 23:20.53 | ViriiGuy | Is there anyone here willing to handhold a moron thru a couple setups, namely hosting two domains and setting up a mail server. |
| 23:20.53 | FarrisG | abrotman: Currently I have 52 |
| 23:20.57 | abrotman | FarrisG: you realize that's 36 weeks of logs .. right ? |
| 23:20.58 | sid | peterS: But good point. |
| 23:21.02 | FarrisG | abrotman: Correct |
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| 23:21.14 | abrotman | FarrisG: when did you change it ? |
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| 23:21.32 | FarrisG | abrotman: Last night before cron.daily ran |
| 23:21.51 | foo | hmm, how can I release/renew my IP address with dhclient? just delete the dhclient.leases file ? Hmm |
| 23:22.00 | abrotman | FarrisG: but .. it says it will only rotate weekly |
| 23:22.09 | abrotman | (i assume that to be saturday/sunday) |
| 23:22.11 | peterS | foo: I think you want to 'ifdown eth0; ifup eth0' |
| 23:22.19 | DerJamster | yeah. sounds like cron.weekly ;P |
| 23:22.26 | FarrisG | abrotman: Right, but it runs in cron.daily to check to see if it needs to be rotated |
| 23:22.27 | peterS | foo: where 'eth0' is your network interface that you want to renew the lease on |
| 23:22.35 | abrotman | FarrisG: but only rotates them weekly .. |
| 23:22.40 | FarrisG | I used a --force to make sure it DID rotate |
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| 23:23.01 | FarrisG | abrotman: it did rotate... but left the stale logs greater than 36 weeks |
| 23:23.13 | abrotman | FarrisG: you might have to delete the old ones .. it may only check for a .37.gz and kill that |
| 23:23.25 | FarrisG | abrotman: yarrgh |
| 23:23.36 | abrotman | FarrisG: might be bug worthly |
| 23:23.38 | abrotman | worthy |
| 23:23.50 | abrotman | why does the troll stop now .. grrr |
| 23:23.54 | FarrisG | abrotman: I'll check |
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| 23:24.35 | ViriiGuy | What do I have to do to host 2 domains on the same box? Each with seperate websites. |
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| 23:25.40 | foo | peterS: Right. Bleh, windows has the ipconfig /release and ipconfig /renew ... is that the same as ifconfig down, ifconfig up? |
| 23:25.53 | DerJamster | ViriiGuy: set up apache with virtual hosts |
| 23:26.01 | abrotman | ViriiGuy: name based virtual hosts(won't work with SSL) |
| 23:26.05 | amphi | foo: ifdown/ifup assuming interfaces is set up right |
| 23:26.10 | peterS | foo: I'm not sure how ifconfig interacts with dhclient. I know ifup / ifdown do, so use those. |
| 23:26.17 | redblades | Hi |
| 23:26.28 | redblades | I just realized I've benn logged on all night |
| 23:26.31 | redblades | see ya |
| 23:27.14 | ViriiGuy | ok Derjamster and abrotman, if I setup apache2 with virtual hosts, what exactly won;t work |
| 23:27.22 | abrotman | huh? |
| 23:27.35 | abrotman | you can't have two SSL domains with name based virtual hosts |
| 23:27.37 | foo | amphi / peterS: Right. Hmm. But what about ipconfig /release and ipconfig /renew in windows ... what is the equivalent to linux? I call my ISP and they tell me to do that. Of course I don't tell them I have linux |
| 23:27.52 | ViriiGuy | abrotman: you said virtual hosts won;t work with ssl, what would that affect for a webserver? |
| 23:27.56 | abrotman | ViriiGuy: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/ |
| 23:28.00 | abrotman | ViriiGuy: https |
| 23:28.01 | peterS | foo: I told you. ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 23:28.04 | ViriiGuy | I am knew to this aspect and trying it out |
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| 23:28.19 | DerJamster | ViriiGuy: if you don't know about ssl, you won't have a disadvantage I assume |
| 23:28.28 | DerJamster | Since you're not using SSL in the first place. |
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| 23:28.31 | ViriiGuy | abrotman: ahh ok thanks, that should be no worry as the site won;t be taking any payments or anything |
| 23:28.38 | Ze_M | does anyone know if there is any problem about mounting usb devices using kde-3.5.3? |
| 23:28.38 | foo | peterS: Gotcha, thanks. |
| 23:28.48 | peterS | foo: if that doesn't renew the lease, you may have to delete the lease file in between. I haven't actually tested this. |
| 23:28.49 | ViriiGuy | DerJamster: gotcha :) |
| 23:28.58 | foo | peterS: Gotcha, thanks |
| 23:29.08 | sandman | err, sorry. When I run apt-get upgrade, it downloads a lot of stuff from unstable |
| 23:29.24 | abrotman | Ze_M: ask #debian-kde |
| 23:29.26 | ViriiGuy | Thanks both of you, I am going to read this page and see how I do |
| 23:29.30 | sandman | My pinning is set to testing, so that makes this behavior weird. |
| 23:29.58 | DerJamster | sandman: mixed system? |
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| 23:30.35 | mnrdknn | hey, i'm having some problems with the DHCP detection on debian installer... can anybody help me? |
| 23:31.12 | redblades | I sure can't |
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| 23:31.49 | mnrdknn | its weird cause it works nice on ubuntu installer, but it doesnt on d-i |
| 23:31.50 | |ryan| | How does one reconfigure the network in debian? |
| 23:32.00 | abrotman | !tell |ryan| about interfaces |
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| 23:32.17 | abrotman | mnrdknn: does it even detect your NIC? |
| 23:32.20 | |ryan| | abrotman: I know about /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:32.25 | |ryan| | let me phrase that better. |
| 23:32.31 | abrotman | you want a magic tool ? |
| 23:32.36 | mnrdknn | abrotman no, i dont think so |
| 23:32.43 | |ryan| | How do i re-run the network configuration tool that runs from the installer? |
| 23:32.50 | abrotman | !tell mnrdknn about sarge uni |
| 23:32.58 | DerJamster | |ryan|: edit that file, then ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 for exampel |
| 23:33.02 | DerJamster | example |
| 23:33.08 | mnrdknn | abrotman im not using sarge |
| 23:33.15 | mnrdknn | actually i'm trying etch |
| 23:33.15 | abrotman | mnrdknn: what are you using ? |
| 23:33.20 | DerJamster | as opposed to ifconfig eth0 down, which won't use the interfaces file |
| 23:33.23 | abrotman | mnrdknn: and that doesn't see it either ? |
| 23:33.37 | mnrdknn | abrotman no |
| 23:33.38 | thingfish | hehe I already have a magic tool. |
| 23:33.44 | mnrdknn | let me try again.. |
| 23:33.44 | redblades | hahaha |
| 23:33.49 | abrotman | mnrdknn: ask #debian-boot |
| 23:33.57 | redblades | I tried loggin on to frrenode last night and couldn't |
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| 23:34.14 | redblades | I forgot I was logged on here the whole time |
| 23:34.19 | redblades | xen |
| 23:34.25 | DerJamster | heh |
| 23:34.25 | abrotman | mentor: as long as you're here .. i have a question about another ban |
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| 23:34.33 | |ryan| | abrotman: The reason I want to do this, is I want to build a base system image for installing on to many systems, and have an easy way to do initial configuration. |
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| 23:34.35 | redblades | Does anyone here use Xen? |
| 23:34.47 | abrotman | !fai |
| 23:34.48 | dpkg | hmm... fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 23:34.58 | DerJamster | |ryan|: ahh...you want dpkg-reconfigure packagename I think |
| 23:35.07 | DerJamster | |ryan|: I just can't remember which package you need to specify :P |
| 23:35.08 | mentor | abrotman: yes? |
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| 23:35.30 | abrotman | mentor: we got some guy in #-ot whining about this ban : --- #debian Banlist: Sun May 21 13:59:02 *!*@host-87-74-126-41.bulldogdsl.com ballard.freenode.net |
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| 23:35.56 | mentor | abrotman: He can message the ops. |
| 23:35.57 | abrotman | mentor: and you were the one who originally put it there .. but i don't know why .. and he claims he didn't either .. says it's an exit node for a Uni dorm |
| 23:36.03 | abrotman | mentor: you are an op :) |
| 23:36.10 | mentor | he can message me. |
| 23:36.13 | abrotman | he's gone now |
| 23:36.18 | abrotman | this was way way earlier |
| 23:36.40 | redblades | Hi, what is the backports line I add to sources? |
| 23:36.55 | mentor | abrotman: Tell him to pm an op if he comes back |
| 23:37.05 | _rain | does anyone know about troubleshooting dhcp-client, i'm on the verge of pulling out my hair... |
| 23:37.06 | DerJamster | abrotman: It doesn't look like an exit node for a uni dorm to me.. :> |
| 23:37.06 | abrotman | mentor: okeedokee |
| 23:37.07 | thingfish | redblades: backports' site tells you. |
| 23:37.10 | mnrdknn | abrotman how can i see if it detect my NIC? |
| 23:37.13 | abrotman | DerJamster: that's what we said |
| 23:37.24 | abrotman | mnrdknn: switch to the console 2/3 and go through the log |
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| 23:37.36 | abrotman | mentor: thanks |
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| 23:37.47 | mentor | DerJamster: Might be a frat house or something :/ |
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| 23:37.56 | mentor | abrotman: I'm looking it up anyway. |
| 23:38.16 | DerJamster | Hmhm. Meh. Shared access always makes banning nasty business. |
| 23:38.17 | abrotman | mentor: yeah .. i don't have logs .. so i couldn't tell him much more than to wait or contact you or don |
| 23:38.24 | mnrdknn | abrotman i believe it recognizes cause ubuntu is working nicely.. |
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| 23:38.29 | thingfish | yeah here's a frat for you: Delta Epsilon Beta |
| 23:38.37 | thingfish | :) |
| 23:38.38 | abrotman | mnrdknn: different kernels i believe |
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| 23:39.13 | abrotman | mnrdknn: do you even know what NIC it is ? |
| 23:40.02 | mnrdknn | abrotman something like my network card? |
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| 23:40.14 | abrotman | mnrdknn: yeah .. NIC == network card |
| 23:40.15 | abrotman | !nic |
| 23:40.15 | dpkg | [nic] (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 23:40.31 | mnrdknn | it recognizes it.. but it doesnt recognize the dhcp network |
| 23:40.39 | mnrdknn | while ubuntu does it... |
| 23:40.45 | abrotman | mnrdknn: this is x86? |
| 23:40.50 | mnrdknn | amd64 |
| 23:41.05 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 23:41.45 | abrotman | mnrdknn: i would defintely ask #debian-boot |
| 23:41.58 | abrotman | jjazz: how'd you like that! |
| 23:42.18 | mnrdknn | abrotman they moved hehe |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | mnrdknn: oh .. over to OFTC |
| 23:42.42 | mnrdknn | irc.oftc.com ? |
| 23:42.55 | abrotman | irc.oftc.net .. i think |
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| 23:43.05 | mnrdknn | i'll try that |
| 23:43.07 | mnrdknn | thanks |
| 23:43.10 | abrotman | no problem |
| 23:43.13 | realist | irc.debian.org points there anyway |
| 23:43.23 | realist | abrotman: yes, you're right ;-) |
| 23:43.24 | abrotman | realist: apparently he's using irc.freenode :) |
| 23:43.56 | realist | I keep confusing the two networks |
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| 23:44.49 | tuv | cool.. does apt-get update get the diff only now? |
| 23:45.04 | abrotman | !pdiff |
| 23:45.04 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. |
| 23:45.14 | |ryan| | DerJamster: I ran dpkg-reconfigure --all, but it didn't ask me about network setup. |
| 23:45.56 | DerJamster | |ryan|: hrm. Then I don't know, seems like it's a special app, and not a configuration of one of the packages itself. |
| 23:46.01 | abrotman | HedgeMage: btw .. an op got him |
| 23:46.08 | tuv | that's great! |
| 23:46.11 | |ryan| | bah. |
| 23:46.17 | HedgeMage | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:46.37 | peterS | nothing can't be fixed, given enough perl |
| 23:47.13 | abrotman | HedgeMage: thanks for checking in :) |
| 23:47.27 | abrotman | peterS: can you fix windows? |
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| 23:47.42 | peterS | abrotman: give me a long enough perl interpreter and a place to stand, and I will move the windows |
| 23:47.44 | HedgeMage | abrotman: np |
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| 23:48.05 | abrotman | peterS: you're a sick sick man |
| 23:48.10 | peterS | yes. |
| 23:48.42 | peterS | oh yeah, I also require my perl interpreter to have an impressive girth |
| 23:49.23 | struct | whats an oftc? |
| 23:49.27 | abrotman | !oftc |
| 23:49.27 | dpkg | [oftc] the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 23:49.28 | peterS | abrotman: I imagine that can be configured in the chanserv channel settings |
| 23:49.32 | struct | oh brother |
| 23:49.35 | struct | I know what it is |
| 23:49.38 | abrotman | peterS: eh .. maybe |
| 23:49.43 | sid | struct: oftc is where the official irc.debian.org points to. and the #debian on that channel.(not here) |
| 23:49.46 | abrotman | peterS: i don't own the channel .. so ... |
| 23:50.00 | abrotman | wait .. i know who struct is .. but i can't remember |
| 23:50.05 | struct | sid: whats an irc.debian.org? |
| 23:50.34 | struct | abrotman: starts with a j |
| 23:50.41 | abrotman | struct: jesus! |
| 23:50.46 | abrotman | HOLY CRAP .. I FOUND GOD ON IRC! |
| 23:50.46 | struct | abrotman: hhhmmm |
| 23:50.49 | struct | abrotman: no |
| 23:50.52 | peterS | no, that's the other jesus |
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| 23:50.58 | struct | abrotman: ends with a n |
| 23:51.02 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:51.09 | peterS | Jeroen! |
| 23:51.15 | abrotman | Justin! |
| 23:51.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:51.27 | struct | you poor bastards |
| 23:51.27 | peterS | Jen! |
| 23:51.36 | abrotman | jackie chan!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:51.42 | peterS | Jinn |
| 23:51.44 | struct | now we are talkin |
| 23:51.52 | abrotman | Jena Elfman! |
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| 23:52.11 | peterS | ok, we're eating enough #d bandwidth for now. let's stop so the n00bs don't feel too drowned out to ask their questions |
| 23:52.23 | struct | speaking of questions |
| 23:52.32 | struct | I think a bug should be filed against mysql but im not sure |
| 23:52.40 | struct | what do you guys think? |
| 23:52.48 | abrotman | is it broken? |
| 23:52.51 | peterS | "please remove this package, people should know better than to use mysql after all these years"? |
| 23:52.53 | struct | not exactly |
| 23:53.08 | struct | I just think a bug should be filed against it |
| 23:53.12 | abrotman | peterS: agreed .. |
| 23:53.22 | struct | but seriously here is the problem |
| 23:53.27 | redblades | You found him on IRC?, abrotnan |
| 23:53.32 | struct | there are 2 main packages for mysql in sarge |
| 23:53.39 | redblades | tell him I want a word... |
| 23:53.44 | struct | mysql-server, mysql-common which is 4.0 version |
| 23:53.44 | abrotman | redblades: i've done better than 2,000 years of christians |
| 23:53.48 | struct | and mysql-server-4.1 etc... |
| 23:54.07 | struct | the problem is that someone installed mysql-server on a server |
| 23:54.13 | redblades | BWAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:54.21 | struct | and I came along and said hhmmm dont want that so I installed mysql-server-4.1 |
| 23:54.31 | redblades | This is so awesome |
| 23:54.35 | ViriiGuy | Again thank you guys, that was much easier than I had thought it would be. |
| 23:54.37 | struct | then later I purged the the mysql-server packages |
| 23:54.38 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:54.41 | redblades | I should use bitchx more otften |
| 23:54.45 | jade | anyone have ideas how to fix this gcc error ? http://channels.debian.net/paste/2752 |
| 23:54.48 | struct | which shut down the running mysql-server-4.1 |
| 23:55.17 | struct | which in my opinion should not have happened |
| 23:55.17 | abrotman | !find ctrl.o sarge |
| 23:55.18 | ViriiGuy | Now another question, the root document folder for one website is html, how come the address is always shown as www.blahblah.com/html |
| 23:55.26 | struct | and therefore a bug |
| 23:55.38 | struct | what do you guys think? |
| 23:55.48 | abrotman | ViriiGuy: httpd.apache.org ... read the docs .. or try #apache |
| 23:55.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ctrl.o' (4): (/usr/lib/wine/hhctrl.ocx.so) in libs/libwine ;; (/usr/share/wine/skel/c/windows/system/hhctrl.ocx) in otherosfs/wine ;; (/usr/lib/plt/collects/plot/src/all/plctrl.o) in interpreters/mzscheme ;; (/usr/share/doc/csound-doc/manual/examples/setctrl.orc) in doc/csound-doc. |
| 23:55.55 | abrotman | struct: you removed it! |
| 23:56.02 | ViriiGuy | abrotman: okie dokie |
| 23:56.09 | struct | abrotman: they are separate packages |
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| 23:56.27 | struct | abrotman: purging files for mysql-server should not result in mysql-server-4.1 being stopped |
| 23:56.30 | sid | jade: /join #gcc |
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| 23:57.22 | abrotman | !depends mysql-server-4.1 |
| 23:57.25 | abrotman | !depends mysql-server-4.1 sarge |
| 23:57.29 | sid | struct: sure it should |
| 23:57.36 | struct | sid: why is that? |
| 23:57.44 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: depends on mysql-common-4.1 (>= 4.1.11a-4sarge2), mysql-client-4.1 (>= 4.1.11a-4sarge2), debconf (>= 1.2.9), libdbi-perl, perl (>= 5.6), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libmysqlclient14, libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), libreadline4 (>= 4.3-1), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libwrap0, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), adduser (>= 3.40), psmisc, passwd, mailx |
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| 23:58.04 | sid | struct: If I purge your irc client, and it references the hdd for something. It won't work properly. |
| 23:58.13 | sid | or that was a bad example really |
| 23:58.35 | struct | sid: the packages for mysql-server and mysql-server-4.1 are completely independant of each other and actually conflict with each other |
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| 23:59.01 | struct | sid: so you tell me why if I purge mysql-server's files after a removal why should mysql-server-4.1 be stopped? |
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| 23:59.29 | abrotman | struct: any other packages go with mysql-server? |
| 23:59.50 | tuv | struct, couldn't it be that the purge took place right after the new install and removed some conffiles? did you try re-installing the 4.1 packages? |
