| 00:00.24 | struct | tuv: no all I did was /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 00:00.33 | struct | tuv: why would I reinstall the packages? |
| 00:00.51 | struct | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 00:00.58 | struct | abrotman: like mysql-common etc ...? |
| 00:01.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:01.03 | struct | abrotman: yes |
| 00:01.08 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 00:01.09 | justin | abrotman: huh? |
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| 00:01.36 | abrotman | justin: sorry .. we were saying names that began with j and ended in n .. i forgot you were in here .. |
| 00:01.40 | tuv | struct, i suppose the conffiles are the same in 4.1 and 4, so a purge could affect the 4.1 packages if it was performed after the install (by apt-get).. a re-install wouldn't hurt anywya |
| 00:01.59 | struct | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/mysql-server |
| 00:02.04 | DarkMoonDawning | Me and my friend both get this error while trying to compile the fglrx module: "Error: could not resolve matching ip-library." |
| 00:02.14 | DarkMoonDawning | Everytime, in testing, stable, and, sid |
| 00:02.15 | struct | abrotman: for reference http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/mysql-server-4.1 |
| 00:02.20 | abrotman | struct: i'd need the rdepends |
| 00:02.24 | jade | my apt package environment is hopelessly fubar'd, how can i go about fixing it? the apt-get check seems OK, but installing gcc shows "unmet dependencies" |
| 00:02.35 | struct | tuv: wrong |
| 00:02.52 | struct | abrotman: rdepends? |
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| 00:03.04 | abrotman | struct: so wait .. you had mysql-server AND mysql-server-4.1 installed ? |
| 00:03.08 | DerJamster | jade: owow. What did you do? |
| 00:03.08 | struct | abrotman: no |
| 00:03.32 | struct | abrotman: whoever set up the server ( one of my tech guys ) installed mysql-server |
| 00:03.34 | tuv | struct, what is wrong? |
| 00:04.03 | struct | abrotman: so I installed mysql-server-4.1 which removes all mysql-server, mysql-common, mysql-client ( because they conflict with each other ) |
| 00:04.09 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:04.12 | struct | abrotman: but later I did dpkg -l | grep ^rc |
| 00:04.23 | struct | and I found some packages that had left over files conf files etc... |
| 00:04.23 | jade | DerJamster, no idea man, how do i fix it. |
| 00:04.35 | abrotman | jjazz: i totally am eating my words .. :( |
| 00:04.35 | struct | so I dpkg -P the mysql-server ones |
| 00:04.42 | jade | Derevko, i dont want to reinstall |
| 00:04.47 | DerJamster | jade: okay, first off...paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list on some nopaste site and share the url. |
| 00:04.53 | DerJamster | Let's see what's wrong there. |
| 00:05.11 | struct | abrotman: and I suspect that because both mysql-server* and mysql-server-4.1* have /etc/init.d/mysql that dpkg shut down mysql during the purge |
| 00:05.12 | DerJamster | also, is this stable (I doubt it), Testing or SID? |
| 00:05.13 | abrotman | struct: you're going to have to reproduce it if you want to file a bug |
| 00:05.24 | struct | abrotman: but they are different packages and in my opinion that should not have happened |
| 00:05.39 | jade | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2753 |
| 00:05.43 | abrotman | struct: but you just said .. you can't have them both .. and it should have removed 4.0 before installing 4.1 |
| 00:05.51 | struct | abrotman: it did remove |
| 00:05.55 | struct | abrotman: but did not purge |
| 00:05.59 | redblades | Hi, how do I check the partitiions on my computer? |
| 00:06.05 | struct | abrotman: there is a difference between removing and purging |
| 00:06.10 | abrotman | struct: yes .. i know :) |
| 00:06.18 | struct | abrotman: ok so why are you asking? |
| 00:06.23 | DerJamster | jade: i'm not sure non-US even still gets used. |
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| 00:06.38 | abrotman | !Non-usa |
| 00:06.39 | abrotman | !Non-us |
| 00:06.39 | dpkg | somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 00:06.45 | struct | the conflict results in a removal not a purge |
| 00:06.59 | cusco | would anybody dare to give me some help? looks like I have a problem with the Direct Rendering Interface on a intel graphics card |
| 00:07.01 | struct | abrotman: not trying to sound rude or anything. no offense meant |
| 00:07.03 | cusco | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=23747 |
| 00:07.07 | redblades | hello? |
| 00:07.14 | cusco | since xorg7 |
| 00:07.15 | redblades | How do I check partitions? |
| 00:07.22 | jade | getting rid of non-US |
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| 00:07.34 | struct | abrotman: the problem is easily fixed by just starting mysql again |
| 00:07.34 | thingfish | struct: no one ever means to sound rude on #debian. We understand. |
| 00:07.38 | abrotman | cusco: etch ? |
| 00:07.47 | struct | abrotman: but I did not noticed till a few days later and some data was lost |
| 00:07.47 | cusco | abrotman: yes |
| 00:08.05 | struct | so I am of the opinion that the purge of one package should not affect another package |
| 00:08.05 | abrotman | cusco: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-5bc0296170d3ffbabad940201aba6aa40c603f17 |
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| 00:08.14 | abrotman | struct: contact the maintainer .. ask him |
| 00:08.18 | abrotman | !maint mysql-server |
| 00:08.23 | struct | abrotman: ok that sounds like a good idea |
| 00:08.33 | thingfish | !afo |
| 00:08.33 | dpkg | abrotman for ops! |
| 00:08.39 | dpkg | mysql-server: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org> |
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| 00:08.51 | abrotman | struct: and i have no idea who that is |
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| 00:08.58 | struct | abrotman: me either |
| 00:08.59 | redblades | Please, someone answer |
| 00:09.09 | abrotman | check what? |
| 00:09.17 | struct | redblades: df -h? |
| 00:09.20 | struct | redblades: mount? |
| 00:09.24 | jade | well didn't help for apt-get install gcc http://channels.debian.net/paste/2754 |
| 00:09.28 | abrotman | he needs to be more specific |
| 00:09.31 | abrotman | !b-e jade |
| 00:09.31 | dpkg | jade: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 00:09.32 | struct | redblades: cat /etc/fstab? |
| 00:09.44 | abrotman | struct: you forgot .. fdisk -l /dev/<device> |
| 00:09.52 | struct | abrotman: yeah that too |
| 00:09.53 | deadcat_ | sounds like somebody's having a case of the mondays! |
| 00:10.05 | struct | abrotman: or cfdisk /dev/foo |
| 00:10.12 | struct | abrotman: or parted /dev/foo |
| 00:10.32 | struct | I need to go smoke my pipe |
| 00:10.33 | jade | apt-get install build-essential http://channels.debian.net/paste/2755 |
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| 00:11.11 | pipeline | thingfish: mmm, madeira |
| 00:11.16 | DerJamster | jade: try another repository |
| 00:11.30 | struct | here I stand broken hearted, paid a quarter to poop and only farted |
| 00:11.32 | abrotman | jade: apt-get update .. try again |
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| 00:12.27 | denmaeth | then one day i took a chance - finish it struct - i know that one heh |
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| 00:12.39 | struct | denmaeth: I dont know the rest |
| 00:13.03 | denmaeth | oh maybe its just me then |
| 00:13.11 | struct | denmaeth: it makes more sense if you grew up when you had to pay to use the public bathroom |
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| 00:14.47 | cds | Anyone know how I get the tabs along the left of amaroK to show the captions? |
| 00:14.59 | cds | atm it's just showing icons unless it's the selected tab. |
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| 00:15.33 | struct | cds: /j #amarok |
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| 00:16.14 | cds | struct: Yeah, got non answer there yet. |
| 00:16.23 | cds | struct: Just wondered if anyone in here knew. |
| 00:16.32 | cyzie | msg dpkg java |
| 00:16.49 | uau | new reportbug seems to have simple syntax errors in the python code that make installation fail when bytecode is being compiled |
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| 00:17.24 | abrotman | uau: it hasn't been released has it ? |
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| 00:17.47 | uau | i mean latest version in unstable |
| 00:17.52 | bnovc | if i use export DISPLAY=IP:0.0 while ssh'ed it...it still doesn't tunnel through SSH, right? |
| 00:18.00 | abrotman | uau: file a bug on it! |
| 00:18.40 | uau | i don't want to bother with the email bug submission system |
| 00:18.42 | abrotman | !tell bnovc about sshx |
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| 00:19.56 | uau | but i wonder how the errors were not detected - AFAIK that reportbug package shouldn't be installable anywhere |
| 00:20.03 | bnovc | abrotman, well, i've done that and my DISPLAY does not get set |
| 00:20.11 | bnovc | so i'm exporting manually and it works but i wondered if it uses some other port |
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| 00:20.26 | uau | and the errors should have been detected if the script was ever run at all |
| 00:20.56 | bluefox83 | hey i have to be root to create a symbolic link, no matter what the file permissions are right? |
| 00:21.46 | egon_spengler | Any solution to the failure of X to recognize keyboard, monitor, et al. after dist-upgrade this morning? |
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| 00:22.38 | egon_spengler | Running Testing, by the bye. |
| 00:23.04 | egon_spengler | Mailing list mentions dexconf and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but still no joy after those |
| 00:23.25 | abrotman | bluefox83: no |
| 00:23.26 | DerJamster | egon_spengler: xorg-input-all is installed? |
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| 00:23.42 | egon_spengler | Ah, good question, will check and return. Thanks |
| 00:23.45 | DerJamster | egon_spengler: er, xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 00:23.51 | uau | egon_spengler: what do you mean by "recognize" monitor for example? |
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| 00:24.33 | egon_spengler | dpkg-reconfigure reports unable to identify monitor and hardware |
| 00:24.41 | bluefox83 | i seem to be having trouble with my firefox installation detecting and using the JRE i've installed.. |
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| 00:25.06 | uau | egon_spengler: that sounds like a problem with the automatic hardware detection tools (discover?), i don't have those installed myself |
| 00:25.54 | egon_spengler | xserver-xorg-input-all is newest version, reports apt-get |
| 00:25.57 | DerJamster | bluefox83: how did you install it? |
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| 00:26.29 | egon_spengler | uau: I chose manual config second time through, but still get X server failure to start and no keyboard input. |
| 00:26.47 | brunner | hi all |
| 00:26.48 | DerJamster | egon_spengler: put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on a nopaste site |
| 00:27.04 | uau | egon_spengler: maybe you entered incorrect values in the manual config? |
| 00:27.35 | egon_spengler | Oh, and dpkg-reconfigure also reports "will not modify X due to customized x configuration" approximate wording |
| 00:27.53 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 00:28.00 | brunner | would it be a bad idea to install a new GNU/Linux system on EXT2 instead of EXT3/ReiserFS/XFS in terms of risking data loss from not having the safety of a journal? |
| 00:28.15 | uau | egon_spengler: ok that sounds like the manual configuration won't actually do anything; you need to make the xorg.conf file automatically updated again first |
| 00:28.25 | egon_spengler | abrotman: Checked those values and all report installed as per mailing list post |
| 00:28.26 | DerJamster | brunner: why install it on a EXT2 (aside of /boot)? |
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| 00:28.52 | abrotman | brunner: afaict .. there's no benefit to using ext2 anymore |
| 00:28.58 | uau | egon_spengler: there were instructions for making it automatically updated again within the file (at least in some versions of it) |
| 00:29.26 | DerJamster | egon_spengler: *points to nopaste* Let's see that xorg.conf. |
| 00:29.28 | egon_spengler | Ah, dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg? |
| 00:29.41 | brunner | DerJamster: for the sake of being able to read/write from Windows in a dual-boot situation, or, for examble, being able to access a TrueCrypt volume in Windows that's hidden in a linux filesystem |
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| 00:29.53 | uau | egon_spengler: not that alone won't make the file automatically updated again i think |
| 00:30.00 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 00:30.00 | dpkg | well, explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
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| 00:30.06 | abrotman | !ext2ifs |
| 00:30.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, ext2ifs is a Windows NT driver for reading ext2/3 filesystems. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 00:30.08 | uau | hmm or maybe it does |
| 00:30.22 | DerJamster | brunner: um..you can read ext2 as much as ext3 under windows. You can't, unless you use one of the tools abrotman just listed. |
| 00:30.33 | DerJamster | the journal makes no difference when -reading- the stuff. |
| 00:30.50 | brunner | I want to be able to write the TrueCrypt volume from Windows |
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| 00:31.00 | brunner | and access it in both Windows and GNU/Linux |
| 00:31.16 | rxed | what's the name of firefox extension that can log you in to a reg site? was it bugmenot bugoff or something like that? |
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| 00:31.39 | DerJamster | rxed: bugmenot |
| 00:32.10 | DerJamster | rxed: http://extensions.roachfiend.com/bugmenot.xpi |
| 00:32.12 | brunner | if I modify an EXT3 filesystem without updating the journal, will Linux try to "retair" it before accessing it? |
| 00:32.31 | brunner | s/retair/repair |
| 00:32.44 | brunner | sorry, trying to get used to my new notebook keyboard |
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| 00:33.25 | rxed | DerJamster: got it. ty. |
| 00:33.41 | bluefox83 | does firefox keep records of things, like failures to load specific plugins or anything like that? |
| 00:35.00 | egon_spengler | Okay, pastebin for xorg.conf in question is http://channels.debian.net/paste/2756 |
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| 00:38.29 | t4dyce | can someone recomend a good cd burner for debian 3.1 |
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| 00:40.47 | abrotman | gnomebaker or k3b |
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| 00:40.59 | undrdawg | i cant seem to get this right |
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| 00:41.36 | undrdawg | i do mount.smbfs smb://stevenew /mnt/dad |
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| 00:41.52 | undrdawg | i just want to mount it for a sec with no options just to search for mp3s |
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| 00:42.40 | thingfish | that doesn't look right to me, undrdawg. |
| 00:42.58 | thingfish | mount -t cifs //computer/share /mnt/place |
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| 00:43.08 | thingfish | oh yes -o username |
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| 00:43.51 | thingfish | although gnome's main menu>network servers>etc always works for me. |
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| 00:47.01 | owenh | I can't get Debian 3.1r2 (i386) or 3.0ra (amd64) to detect a SATA drive on an amd64 system, but only when it is connected to the RAID ports on the motherboard. Any ideas? |
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| 00:47.20 | nick01 | is there any way to get a list of what is on every cd ? |
| 00:47.45 | owenh | er 3.1r0a for the amd64 |
| 00:48.19 | fryfrog | owenh: turn off the raid functionality of the sata ports or create a "jbod" which only contains that disk in the raid's firmware |
| 00:48.33 | fryfrog | i have a built in raid (sil) that can't be "turned off" to function like normal raid |
| 00:48.44 | fryfrog | i just used the firmware to create 4x "disks" |
| 00:49.55 | owenh | fryfrog: I must have the raid on in order to detect the drives, and I can't create any kind of array with only one drive... I'm new with SATA... |
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| 00:50.37 | fryfrog | owenh: sure you can, you don't need to create a proper "raid" |
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| 00:50.48 | fryfrog | just poke around until you find the option to ummm... |
| 00:50.57 | fryfrog | well, it won't be raid1, 0 or 5 :) |
| 00:51.33 | fryfrog | i had a similar problem, i have an nforce4 board with a built in nvidia *and* sil raid controller |
| 00:51.40 | abrotman | FARKING SOX |
| 00:51.45 | fryfrog | the nvidia can be run in "non-raid" mode, the sil cannot |
| 00:51.51 | owenh | fryfrog: Okay, I'll try it. I may be back! Thanks |
| 00:55.16 | mankod | , |
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| 01:01.00 | abrotman | uau: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370593 |
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| 01:04.44 | abrotman | ack! |
| 01:04.50 | myren | uhh fuck, |
| 01:04.54 | myren | su root isnt working |
| 01:05.08 | myren | it silently quits |
| 01:05.27 | myren | entering incorrect password gives me su: Authentication failure, so it looks like its checking |
| 01:05.54 | myren | fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 01:06.55 | myren | fuck me, fuck you, fucking help me god damn it |
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| 01:08.57 | abrotman | myren: maybe you're already root ? |
| 01:09.05 | myren | whoami: myren |
| 01:09.11 | myren | and it wouldnt prompt |
| 01:09.15 | myren | it prompts for password |
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| 01:09.46 | myren | i wasw having problems with login earler |
| 01:09.49 | uau | what about logging in as root via other ways? (ssh, virtual terminal) |
| 01:09.49 | myren | the login package that is |
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| 01:10.20 | sanmarcos | when I try to start x (vncserver) I get could not open default font 'fixed', any ideaS? |
| 01:10.25 | myren | the couple ways i tried are ok. gdm let me become root. single mode lets me login as root |
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| 01:10.53 | myren | stupid X isnt letting me switch to other v-terms, *arg*, why? |
| 01:11.03 | xsdg | sanmarcos: xfonts-base |
| 01:11.23 | sanmarcos | xsdg, reinstalling |
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| 01:11.59 | xsdg | sanmarcos: hmm; if that doesn't work, I'd check in the logfile |
| 01:12.45 | sanmarcos | xsdg, i am using vnc anyways |
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| 01:13.22 | benjamindees | I have learned that burning an .iso file in windows xp is a giant, humongous (sp?) pain in the ass |
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| 01:14.00 | sanmarcos | indeed benjamindees |
| 01:14.38 | abrotman | benjamindees: not really .. you just need some cool software program to do it :) |
| 01:15.33 | sanmarcos | xsdg, doesnt work |
| 01:15.54 | sanmarcos | xsdg, I am trying to run a vncserver, but i cant get it to run could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 01:16.14 | falkon | wtf? no nvidia-glx package anymore? |
| 01:16.24 | falkon | do I have to install one of those nvidia kernels |
| 01:16.47 | abrotman | it's not in etch currently .. get the one from sid if you can make it work |
| 01:16.52 | abrotman | !fixed |
| 01:16.53 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 01:17.08 | falkon | god damnit |
| 01:17.17 | abrotman | you want working .. use stable |
| 01:17.20 | falkon | why the hell do they keep fucking up etch |
| 01:17.27 | abrotman | it's testing you moron |
| 01:17.30 | deejoe | heh |
| 01:17.33 | falkon | that would require reinstalling the system |
| 01:17.37 | falkon | no can do |
| 01:17.39 | abrotman | whiner |
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| 01:17.50 | sanmarcos | falkon, get a mac |
| 01:17.54 | sanmarcos | falkon, welcome to linux |
| 01:17.58 | abrotman | uau: did that fix your problem ? |
| 01:18.02 | sanmarcos | abrotman, thanks for the hint! |
| 01:18.17 | abrotman | hint? oh |
| 01:18.20 | falkon | sanmarcos: no, other distros don't tend to completely strip out necessary packages for no reason |
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| 01:18.39 | sanmarcos | falkon, again, welcome to debian gnu/linux testing/unstable |
| 01:18.40 | uau | abrotman: i already worked around it by myself earlier |
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| 01:18.55 | abrotman | falkon: are you fucking retarded? it's debian/testing .. shit breaks .. if you don't like it .. don't use debian |
| 01:18.55 | uau | didn't look at the patch there |
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| 01:19.04 | abrotman | uau: no patch .. jsut a command |
| 01:19.17 | falkon | abrotman: it's not broken, it's missing. Can I just install an nvidia kernel image? |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | this is why you shouldn't be running etch .. you can't figure it out on your own |
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| 01:19.50 | falkon | and this is why support channels exist tard |
| 01:19.51 | TraceGreen | If i want to encrypt a *.gz file, how can i do it? It seems gzip can not encrypt. |
| 01:19.52 | abrotman | falkon: if the one from sid works .. use it .. if not .. you're stuck |
| 01:19.57 | uau | abrotman: hmm what are you talking about? i thought you meant the bug report whose link you pasted earlier, that did contain a patch |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 01:20.07 | abrotman | uau: it didn't when i looked at it :) |
| 01:20.07 | falkon | abrotman: can I roll it back to stable? |
| 01:20.17 | falkon | abrotman: with a dist-upgrade? |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman | no |
| 01:20.28 | falkon | fuck shit |
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| 01:21.11 | abrotman | uau: ah .. been uploaded already |
| 01:21.18 | unkn0wn2u | can modprobe run a script when a device comes up like /dev/sda0 |
| 01:21.35 | abrotman | man modprobe ? |
| 01:21.48 | uau | falkon: you can dist-upgrade it to unstable (which still has nvidia-glx as always) though - but it sounds like you might not be up to maintaining an unstable system |
| 01:22.01 | abrotman | uau: don't advocate that ... please |
| 01:22.37 | falkon | uau: not really. more than anything, I'm not up to reinstalling my whole system. If I wanted to do that everytime shit breaks, I'd use windows |
| 01:22.58 | amphi | falkon: run stable then (plus backports if necessary) |
| 01:23.07 | abrotman | you could use debian/stable .. which woudl solve your problem |
| 01:23.19 | falkon | amphi: can't, that would involve reinstalling the whole system |
| 01:23.23 | uau | falkon: then how did you lose nvidia-glx from your system? it shouldn't happen automatically, unless you explicitly OKd that when upgrading |
| 01:23.50 | amphi | falkon: is nvidia-glx the only thing that's broken? |
| 01:23.56 | falkon | uau: it was holding a shit load of packages back, so I told it to dist-upgrade. I was already running stable |
| 01:23.59 | falkon | erm |
| 01:24.01 | falkon | testing |
| 01:24.02 | falkon | not stable |
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| 01:24.12 | falkon | amphi: pretty much. |
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| 01:24.42 | uau | falkon: well your problem if you told it to remove a package you needed, you could have waited until it was back in testing |
| 01:24.52 | amphi | falkon: so, it's not very important - just wait, and it will no doubt manifest in the fullness of time |
| 01:25.10 | falkon | uau: I never knew it was ever removed |
| 01:25.22 | falkon | why would you remove working drivers? who knows |
| 01:25.43 | uau | what removed it? apt-get at least won't remove packages on dist-upgrade without asking |
| 01:25.43 | abrotman | because they don't work |
| 01:26.08 | falkon | amphi: well, after I rebooted, the system said the nvidia module was nowhere to be found... fuck |
| 01:26.13 | abrotman | the better solution .. don't buy hardware from companies that suck |
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| 01:26.25 | falkon | abrotman: that leaves 3dfx then? |
| 01:26.28 | falkon | or matrox? |
| 01:26.31 | dmattli | intel |
| 01:26.31 | abrotman | intel? |
| 01:26.33 | abrotman | sis? |
| 01:26.38 | abrotman | keep going? |
| 01:26.38 | amphi | falkon: or trailing edge ati |
| 01:26.45 | falkon | intel for accellerated graphics? |
| 01:26.48 | abrotman | X200 works now with free driverse |
| 01:26.57 | abrotman | yes .. i have DRI working on intel |
| 01:27.11 | abrotman | and i don't whine everytime X/kernel gets upgraded |
| 01:27.36 | falkon | mostly, I need to doc how I reconfigure my kernel every time |
| 01:27.56 | falkon | I totally forgot what I was doing with it so I said fuck it and used and image |
| 01:28.07 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:28.08 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 01:28.18 | falkon | and it breaks at nvidia-glx |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | of course .. it's not in etch .. so grab the one from sid .. and try that |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | no kidding .. i'm shocked |
| 01:28.34 | falkon | well, yeah |
| 01:29.07 | falkon | do I just add sid to sources, update, and try again? |
| 01:29.21 | falkon | or is there a more specific way to grab just that package? |
| 01:29.36 | abrotman | try to just grab that one from packages.d.o |
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| 01:30.31 | abrotman | hopefully it has no other deps |
| 01:30.35 | abrotman | or you could just wait .. |
| 01:31.27 | sanmarcos | can anybody help me setting up a vnc server? I get could not open default font 'fixed' . I tried everything. It seems that Debian is broken, any ideas? |
| 01:31.33 | abrotman | !fixed |
| 01:31.34 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 01:31.37 | sanmarcos | i checked that |
| 01:31.44 | sanmarcos | font.alias is not a factoid |
| 01:31.49 | sanmarcos | xfonts-base I purged reinstalled |
| 01:31.49 | abrotman | sanmarcos: did you install xfonts-base and restart X ? |
| 01:31.55 | sanmarcos | abrotman, I am using vncserver |
| 01:31.58 | sanmarcos | on a ssh shell |
| 01:32.03 | abrotman | on etch ? |
| 01:32.07 | sanmarcos | yes |
| 01:32.18 | sanmarcos | I execute that, and then try to connect (obviosly vncserver doenst run) |
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| 01:33.02 | sid | Anyone else have OOo really sluggish(more then usual) |
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| 01:33.34 | sanmarcos | sid, OO is always been sluggish |
| 01:33.53 | sid | lol, that's why I said more then usual |
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| 01:34.45 | sanmarcos | abrotman, how can I get a skeleton xorg conf? where is the fixed font? |
| 01:35.10 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 01:35.19 | pipeline | sanmarcos: man dexconf |
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| 01:35.50 | sanmarcos | abrotman, that does nothing I tried it, doenst help |
| 01:36.14 | sanmarcos | pipeline, wont help. and dexconf doesnt exist |
| 01:36.17 | abrotman | maybve try x11-common ? |
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| 01:37.01 | sanmarcos | xfonts is 6.8 and others x is 7 |
| 01:37.04 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: pong |
| 01:37.12 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's some lag :) |
| 01:37.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: someone was in #-ot asking to have his ban removed .. he's long gone .. sorry to ping |
| 01:37.56 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: np |
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| 01:38.10 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: if he comes back .. i'll have him contact you or the op that did the banning |
| 01:38.14 | abrotman | via /msg |
| 01:38.26 | sanmarcos | fuck this |
| 01:38.30 | dondelelcaro | sure; just /msg and explain why they were banned, and then I or someone else will pull the ban |
| 01:38.47 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he doesn't know ... he says he's behind an exit router for a Uni dorm |
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| 01:38.58 | dondelelcaro | ah, that's possible too |
| 01:39.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: though .. the IP he is using makes that very fishy |
| 01:39.17 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.19 | dondelelcaro | well, I'll figure it out eitherway |
| 01:39.23 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:39.32 | dondelelcaro | oh... mentor asked me about that ban too... just a second. |
| 01:39.38 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:39.56 | sng | Oh wait. |
| 01:40.01 | sng | I meant. |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | sng: roll-on ? |
| 01:40.10 | sng | Yay! |
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| 01:40.22 | abrotman | sng: the sox are losing .. badly |
| 01:40.53 | sng | abrotman: That would be because baseall sucks. |
| 01:40.58 | abrotman | sng: LIAR! |
| 01:41.10 | sng | Well yes. But not about this. :) |
| 01:41.15 | sng | Yay! |
| 01:41.45 | abrotman | sng: baseball is awesome! |
| 01:41.54 | thementor | what is the latest version of debian--stable one |
| 01:41.55 | sid | baseball is awesome! |
| 01:41.58 | sid | The MLB is crap! |
| 01:42.07 | abrotman | thementor: sarge |
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| 01:42.08 | sng | abrotman: Yay! |
| 01:42.17 | sid | pussies and drug users that need salary caps. |
| 01:42.20 | abrotman | sng: i want BBQ chicken :) |
| 01:42.30 | sng | Don't we all. |
| 01:42.43 | sid | gee, I wonder why the New York Yankees have made the playoffs every year since 1993, could it be because they make the most money out of any team in baseball? |
| 01:42.46 | abrotman | you'd think three times in a week would be enough .. but NOOOOOOOOO |
| 01:43.01 | abrotman | sid: you mean spend the most . i'm not sure they make the most |
| 01:43.09 | sng | No such thing as enough. |
| 01:43.32 | abrotman | i guess |
| 01:44.22 | sanmarcos | fuck this crap man, when you most need it, it never works |
| 01:44.24 | sid | either way the MLB sucks |
| 01:44.37 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: what is the problem? |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | at least it's not CFL :) |
| 01:44.50 | sid | I'd rather watch a little league game or women's softball. 10x more exciting. |
| 01:45.18 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, !fixed (dpkg), trying to start a vnc server (in a ssh shell) and I get could not open default font 'fixed'. |
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| 01:45.34 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, xfonts-base is installed, i dont use xfs, anyways, I give up already |
| 01:45.59 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: what font paths do you have set? Do they include the paths listed in dpkg -L xfonts-base? |
| 01:47.12 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/761277 |
| 01:48.14 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: so I assume X works fine but it's the vnc server that is failing? |
| 01:48.30 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, I have no way to try x |
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| 01:48.33 | palomer | hullo |
| 01:48.36 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, or can I from a ssh shell? |
| 01:48.37 | palomer | I just did an apt-get upgrade |
| 01:48.55 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: you've got to be running X somewhere; that place needs to have the fixed font. |
| 01:49.02 | palomer | and kicker doesn't work! |
| 01:49.13 | palomer | when I try to configure it it says: |
| 01:49.17 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, huh? running vncserver starts X |
| 01:49.26 | palomer | "the specified library kicker could not be found" |
| 01:49.55 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: yes, so the machine running vncserver needs to have xfonts-base installed, and the fixed font in its X configuration. |
| 01:50.10 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, yep, startx seems fine though |
| 01:50.23 | palomer | I'm missing kcm_kicker.la |
| 01:50.34 | abrotman | !tell palomer about search |
| 01:50.49 | palomer | I've found the file |
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| 01:50.58 | palomer | /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kicker.la |
| 01:51.03 | palomer | how do I make sure the library is loaded? |
| 01:51.07 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: it's probably the vncserver configuration then that doesn't have the right paths set |
| 01:51.08 | Irrumator | Anyone know if videos of the debconf speeches are available somewhere? |
| 01:51.21 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: unfortunalty, I don't know enough about its configuration to be of much help. |
| 01:51.25 | abrotman | they're supposed be .. |
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| 01:51.42 | dondelelcaro | Irrumator: they will be availble once they've finished encoding them |
| 01:52.06 | Irrumator | ah, so they -will- be available sometime in the future. that's what I was wondering about, thanks |
| 01:52.26 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, thanks anyways, I'll take a plane and do the work from the server site |
| 01:52.44 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: why in the world do you actually need vnc anyway? isn't ssh good enough? |
| 01:52.56 | dondelelcaro | (or if necessary, ssh with X forwarading?) |
| 01:53.00 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, need to use an x app |
| 01:53.06 | dondelelcaro | which X application? |
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| 01:53.16 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, a propietary one (developed by our company= |
| 01:53.29 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: any reason why you can't use ssh X forwarding? |
| 01:53.31 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, i wouldnt use vnc if i didnt need to |
| 01:53.53 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, vnc seems easier. Dont want to install an x server on windows (btw, I want to mention that I loathe X) |
| 01:54.09 | dondelelcaro | uh... you don't have a machine that is actually running X? |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | need vnc for what? |
| 01:54.23 | sanmarcos | anyways, even running vncserver as root wont work, so it isnt permissions |
| 01:54.40 | dondelelcaro | no, it's the fact that you've got the configuration screwed up and it can't find the fixed font. |
| 01:54.46 | sanmarcos | x can |
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| 01:54.56 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: sure, because X has the right font paths set. |
| 01:54.56 | sanmarcos | vnc cant, but even rm'ing ~/.vnc wont work |
| 01:54.58 | sanmarcos | so its probably broken |
| 01:55.07 | sanmarcos | right, but vnc has nothing to do with fonts |
| 01:55.10 | dondelelcaro | vnc probably has the old pre 7.0 font paths set. |
| 01:55.17 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: the vncserver sure does |
| 01:55.35 | sanmarcos | hmm let see if there is a new version |
| 01:55.37 | dondelelcaro | (if it's going to behave like an X server, it has to be able to access the fonts to draw them) |
| 01:56.14 | pipeline | sanmarcos: dexconf SHOULD exist |
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| 01:56.18 | palomer | hullo |
| 01:56.24 | sanmarcos | pipeline, doenst |
| 01:56.33 | palomer | anyone know anything about my kcm_kicker.la problem? |
| 01:56.36 | pipeline | sanmarcos: if you don't have /usr/bin/dexconf, you're missing X packages. Install the full x-window-system. |
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| 01:56.52 | abrotman | palomer: you checked the bts? |
| 01:56.57 | sanmarcos | pipeline, why? |
| 01:57.01 | palomer | bts+ |
| 01:57.01 | palomer | ? |
| 01:57.02 | sanmarcos | pipeline, wont work anyways, that is not the issue |
| 01:57.19 | pipeline | sanmarcos: You asked for a way to generate a skeleton x configuration; dexconf is the shortest route a to b :P |
| 01:57.19 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: the X configuration is fine; it's the vncserver that is jacked apparently |
| 01:57.23 | sid | !tell palomer about bts |
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| 01:57.42 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: *shudder* vnc |
| 01:57.53 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, yeah, it probably doenst like the new X |
| 01:58.36 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: that's, again, because it's got the font paths set to their old locations, not the new ones. |
| 01:58.57 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, i am googling, but can this by fixed by symbolic links? |
| 02:00.49 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: try running Xvnc -fp /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc or similar. |
| 02:01.28 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: or by fixing your $fontPath in /etc/vnc.conf |
| 02:01.30 | sanmarcos | ok |
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| 02:02.31 | dondelelcaro | and perhaps it's time to fix your custom application so that it can be driven using configuration files and daemons instead of X based configuration routines if it's actually going to be deployed onto servers... |
| 02:03.26 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, ah vnc.conf was reading the old xfree86 (thank god it died) configuration file |
| 02:03.30 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, thank you |
| 02:05.14 | abrotman | wouldn't it say that in the vnc logs ? |
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| 02:05.29 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I'd hope so, but I don't use vnc |
| 02:05.43 | sid | dondelelcaro: Why don't you use vnc? |
| 02:06.02 | dondelelcaro | sid: because I only work on unix machines and I have no need for it? |
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| 02:06.25 | dondelelcaro | I use X to display lots of X terms. |
| 02:06.27 | sid | dondelelcaro: That's a good reason. lol |
| 02:06.57 | sid | dondelelcaro: I downloaded 1029 MS Word *.dot template files |
| 02:07.03 | dondelelcaro | blech |
| 02:07.06 | sid | I have about 800 converted to Open Document Format text template |
| 02:07.36 | sid | Then I'm going to make a script to borrow some html from the same place I borrowed the templates. So I don't have to organize/make a site for all these templates. |
| 02:08.00 | jetscreamer | sounds totally legal to me |
| 02:08.15 | dabreegster | Hey, I've got the latest versions of libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri in etch, but no OpenGL-related program works. glxinfo, glxgears, and games all segfault with no info. strace reveals little. I've got a Rage 128 card and the latest xorg 7.0. I had this problem with the old xorg, but not when I still used xfree86. |
| 02:08.27 | palomer | it's not in the bts:( |
| 02:09.17 | sanmarcos | i cant believe there are so many vncs.. one isnt enough? |
| 02:09.30 | sanmarcos | vnc4server works fine, I have to report |
| 02:09.32 | abrotman | you sohuld have tried them all |
| 02:09.38 | sanmarcos | right sure |
| 02:09.43 | sanmarcos | they are probably the same cra |
| 02:09.57 | dabreegster | gdb reveals a problem in driSetTextureSwapCounterLocation () from /usr/lib/dri/r128_dri.so, I guess I'll check there. |
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| 02:10.21 | abrotman | dabreegster: there is no glxinfo/glxgears in etch |
| 02:10.33 | abrotman | or wait |
| 02:10.45 | dabreegster | abrotman: mesa-utils |
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| 02:11.12 | dabreegster | I just now thought to try gdb, I guess it's a card-specific issue. |
| 02:11.22 | abrotman | i forgot it was moved |
| 02:11.41 | addggg | what's the easiest way to install windows media codecs for playback on linux? |
| 02:11.55 | abrotman | !tell addggg about w32codecs |
| 02:11.55 | dabreegster | abrotman: w32codecs on the marillat repository |
| 02:12.03 | abrotman | dabreegster: i know |
| 02:12.04 | dabreegster | Ack, that was for addggg |
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| 02:14.07 | Erudified | I think this dell 600m might be just about the best bargain linux laptop |
| 02:14.20 | dabreegster | How much? |
| 02:14.26 | Erudified | I got it for $400 |
| 02:14.34 | abrotman | wait til it breaks |
| 02:14.35 | dabreegster | Not bad. |
| 02:14.37 | Erudified | 1.6ghz pentium m, 2mb l2 cache, 1gb ram |
| 02:14.50 | abrotman | it's still a dell |
| 02:15.07 | Erudified | i mostly just ssh to stuff from it so, meh, if it breaks ill just get another one, maybe an old thinkpad T40 |
| 02:15.22 | addggg | thanks |
| 02:15.45 | dabreegster | I'm not seeing many bugs regarding the Rage 128 driver specifically, should I submit a report? |
| 02:15.49 | Erudified | abrotman, there are really only like ~5-6 companies that manufacture laptops |
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| 02:15.58 | abrotman | and one really bad one :) |
| 02:16.33 | Erudified | no, I mean, if you buy an apple macbook, odds are it's more or less the same damn thing as a $1300 asus (except with less memory =) |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | hehe .. the sox/yanks game was so bad .. they switched |
| 02:16.54 | abrotman | less memory? |
| 02:17.01 | abrotman | hell . it'll cost $1000 more |
| 02:17.14 | Erudified | Yeah, you can get a 2gb 2.16ghz core duo asus for $1500 if you shop around |
| 02:17.21 | magyar | what about huricanes/oilers? |
| 02:17.22 | Erudified | you've gotta spend $2500 from apple to get 1gb |
| 02:17.23 | abrotman | but you got a dell |
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| 02:17.32 | abrotman | magyar: people still watch hockey? |
| 02:17.32 | Erudified | I dont need a core duo =P |
| 02:17.54 | magyar | abrotman: i belive this is the finals |
| 02:18.02 | abrotman | it's hockey |
| 02:18.12 | magyar | abrotman: its canada |
| 02:18.24 | abrotman | they have tvs in canada ? |
| 02:19.35 | abrotman | wait until you try mosaic |
| 02:19.39 | magyar | my teli rocks too |
| 02:20.08 | magyar | good ol' 18 years old rca |
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| 02:21.26 | magyar | what pisses me off the most is i need to reboot to play ut2004 :( |
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| 02:22.27 | amphi | magyar: stop playing it ;) |
| 02:22.55 | sanmarcos | hmm how would I found out which app opens a specific file with the console? |
| 02:23.00 | sanmarcos | i.e what opens a .dvi file? |
| 02:23.16 | servus | Try `file myfile.dvi` |
| 02:23.17 | dabreegster | lsof? |
| 02:23.19 | magyar | amphi: right, i need some onslaught at the end of the day ") |
| 02:23.30 | sanmarcos | servus, I know what file it is |
| 02:23.35 | sanmarcos | i just need to know an app to open it |
| 02:23.38 | zebalin4 | Are there any issues with the latest Firefox 1.5.0.4-1 ? Anyone had any probs? I know a lot of you guys upgrade every day to Sid |
| 02:23.39 | abrotman | sanmarcos: file? /etc/mime.types ? |
| 02:23.41 | sanmarcos | like mac os x does |
| 02:23.42 | dabreegster | sanmarcos: lsof probably will help |
| 02:23.46 | dob1 | hi, i use xfs-xtt as fontserver (testing/unstable), now with dist-upgrade it wants to remove it and i see that this package is no longer available, why? it is no more necessary with xorg 7.0 ? |
| 02:23.46 | amphi | sanmarcos: apropos dvi might help |
| 02:23.55 | dabreegster | sanmarcos: Oh, nevermind |
| 02:24.22 | sanmarcos | amphi, nope |
| 02:24.29 | amphi | sanmarcos: or grep dvi /etc/mailcap |
| 02:24.59 | dob1 | or it is replaced by xfstt ? |
| 02:25.13 | amphi | sanmarcos: apropos dvi here includes 'xdvi (1)' |
| 02:25.36 | sanmarcos | amphi, not here, but thanks |
| 02:26.02 | zebalin4 | I guess 'silence' means 'no'. I don't like to upgrade browswer as I depend on it for so much of the work I do. |
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| 02:26.53 | liable | zebalin4: the bts will give you a bit of an idea. |
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| 02:28.13 | zebalin4 | I'll check the bts... but there are always a lot of bugs in everything... I just don't want anything really major to bite me in the butt. |
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| 02:32.31 | sanmarcos | anybody still use LaTeX in here? |
| 02:32.31 | dabreegster | Hmm, other distros seemed to have fixed the r128 dri bug, I might be able to do it. |
| 02:32.42 | no0ke | what type of file is .daa ? |
| 02:32.58 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: yes. |
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| 02:33.42 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, i am just learning about i. It is a nice concept |
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| 02:40.10 | npmccallum | What is the build system used by debian to schedule package builds on various architectures? (Similar to mock/plague on fedora/redhat) |
| 02:40.21 | abrotman | buildd |
| 02:40.23 | abrotman | !buildd |
| 02:40.23 | dpkg | somebody said buildd was Debian's automated build system that automatically compiles everything it finds. http://buildd.debian.org |
| 02:40.27 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro, i.e in its portability and the nice output it produces. Could save me a lot of time while coding it with vim |
| 02:40.47 | abrotman | npmccallum: if i understood your question correctly |
| 02:40.48 | npmccallum | abrotman: thanks! |
| 02:41.01 | npmccallum | abrotman: yeah, that's it, I just couldn't remember the name :) |
| 02:41.05 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:43.15 | sanmarcos | is there a package that contains any standar debian artwork (backgrounds) ? |
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| 02:45.24 | sanmarcos | propaganda-debian |
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| 02:48.16 | quebee | when I type java -version i get java version "1.4.2" gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.2 20060601 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-1) How do I add java to the path? |
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| 02:49.07 | FarrisG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:51.22 | abrotman | FarrisG: why bother .. rm * :) |
| 02:51.39 | sanmarcos | what do you guys recommend for a fast lightweight image viewer for x? |
| 02:51.49 | phogg | sanmarcos: qiv |
| 02:51.57 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: feh |
| 02:51.58 | sanmarcos | phogg, thanks |
| 02:52.08 | sanmarcos | heh was about to install thos two |
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| 02:52.36 | abrotman | eog! |
| 02:52.42 | dondelelcaro | bah |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | apt-cache show bah .. nothing ... |
| 02:53.03 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's a perfect name for an image editor to go with feh |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | maybe a sound editor? |
| 02:53.18 | sanmarcos | qiv depends on gtk1, not installing that |
| 02:53.18 | phogg | eog? May as well use gwenview |
| 02:53.25 | sanmarcos | eog is horrible |
| 02:53.25 | abrotman | high standards eh ? |
| 02:53.29 | abrotman | i like eog |
| 02:53.42 | dondelelcaro | basic artwork handler? |
| 02:53.42 | sanmarcos | Apple got it right with Preview |
| 02:53.50 | sanmarcos | gqview isnt bad |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | apple got nothing right! |
| 02:53.56 | dondelelcaro | yick |
| 02:54.12 | phogg | sanmarcos: gqview isn't light |
| 02:54.21 | dondelelcaro | preview is so horrible that almost everyone used GC instead. |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | see! |
| 02:54.45 | phogg | sanmarcos: if you don't want gtk, feh or xview are good choices |
| 02:55.07 | dondelelcaro | feh is good for most images; display is the best for when you absolutely must see something |
| 02:55.26 | phogg | feh uses imlib2, so it will have much better format support. |
| 02:55.48 | dondelelcaro | phogg: well, it only supports what imlib2 supports... display supports hundreds of more formats |
| 02:56.10 | dondelelcaro | (display being the imagemagick image display program) |
| 02:56.29 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, display is way slow |
| 02:56.33 | phogg | dondelelcaro: I was meaning as compared to xview, in my previous comment. xview is slightly lighter but will display fewer formats. |
| 02:56.45 | sanmarcos | phogg, feh is nice, thanks |
| 02:56.55 | dondelelcaro | phogg: ah, right; yeah... xview unfortunatly is missing a lot of the features that feh has |
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| 02:57.15 | dondelelcaro | of course, for casual users this may be a problem, as feh has more options than find |
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| 03:00.11 | FarrisG | abrotman: Seriously? Is it just old stagnant bounces or something? We get several hundred messages a minute on this box, but the msglog doesn't really seem to grow much |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | FarrisG: oh .. i thought it was just a box on your network .. then yes .. look at them |
| 03:01.11 | FarrisG | abrotman: Heh, how does one even begin to look at 70k messages? :) |
| 03:01.21 | abrotman | FarrisG: cat or less |
| 03:01.33 | phogg | FarrisG: grep |
| 03:01.43 | abrotman | FarrisG: how old is the oldest? |
| 03:01.44 | FarrisG | hardeehar |
| 03:01.54 | CompWizrd | the fun part is deleting 70k messages in say, pine |
| 03:01.54 | abrotman | ls -ltr |
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| 03:02.07 | CompWizrd | i find something heavy, and park it on the D key and go away for awhile |
| 03:02.46 | FarrisG | abrotman: Damn, oldest is Aug of '03 |
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| 03:02.59 | abrotman | FarrisG: guess what .. that one probably doesn't matter anymore :) |
| 03:03.05 | CompWizrd | FarrisG: dig deeper! |
| 03:03.11 | abrotman | FarrisG: that was probably the one about you winning the lottery |
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| 03:03.19 | FarrisG | haha |
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| 03:03.26 | CompWizrd | abrotman: considering the nigerians weren't winning it back then for you, most likely |
| 03:03.52 | abrotman | CompWizrd: FarrisG is obviously on the cutting edge of mail queue management .. he probably stole someone else's 409 spam |
| 03:04.03 | abrotman | FarrisG: should i stop picking now? |
| 03:04.13 | CompWizrd | there's probably a research project that could take up his entire summer here. |
| 03:04.19 | abrotman | oh yeah! |
| 03:04.21 | abrotman | that's it!!!!!!!1 |
| 03:04.25 | abrotman | FarrisG: HIRE AN INTERN! |
| 03:04.35 | CompWizrd | hell, submit it to Google's summer of code |
| 03:04.42 | CompWizrd | for "spam analysis" |
| 03:04.44 | abrotman | "Here kid .. some light summer reading .. about 70k emails" |
| 03:04.48 | FarrisG | hehe |
| 03:04.55 | CompWizrd | i usually read about 1500 a day normally though |
| 03:04.59 | FarrisG | looks like it's mostly local system crap anyway |
| 03:05.03 | CompWizrd | in maybe an hour or two |
| 03:05.09 | CompWizrd | so he'd be really bored after a month |
| 03:05.10 | abrotman | FarrisG: grep "From: " * |
| 03:06.05 | CompWizrd | pipe it all into spamassassin, and sort the scores |
| 03:06.13 | FarrisG | will anything break if I just rm everything of a certain age? |
| 03:06.23 | abrotman | FarrisG: it's not our mail .. how could we possibly know ? |
| 03:06.25 | CompWizrd | i think the highest i've seen in spamassassin was in the 200's for a score |
| 03:06.38 | abrotman | CompWizrd: that's how i score mail from my parents |
| 03:06.42 | FarrisG | abrotman: I mean will it break exim itself, sillyass :) |
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| 03:07.20 | CompWizrd | abrotman: i had to put my mother in the whitelist :/ she sent too much chain mail |
| 03:07.26 | abrotman | CompWizrd: hehe |
| 03:07.30 | ap0linuX | hi |
| 03:08.03 | CompWizrd | spamassasin does remarkable well even without training though |
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| 03:08.55 | ap0linuX | somebody knows where is a dvd or divx channel? |
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| 03:11.03 | abrotman | ap0linuX: not this one |
| 03:11.50 | ap0linuX | abrotman..is there a server? |
| 03:11.54 | liable | ap0linuX: not a channel, but doom9.org is a good reference for dvd stuff. |
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| 03:12.06 | ap0linuX | thanks |
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| 03:14.17 | SMRB | what are the complications of installing debian on a notebook? |
| 03:14.27 | jetscreamer | next time tell him #mplayer , for one |
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| 03:15.04 | falkon_ | well, using unstable nvidia-glx isn't happening. it's calling the unstable nvidia-kernel an invalid format package |
| 03:15.41 | Rockyboa | Using debian in testing mode for AMD64, python2.4 is not available, can I download it form packages.debian.org and hope it will work |
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| 03:16.01 | falkon_ | jetscreamer: what is that? |
| 03:16.04 | liable | !tell SMRB about laptop |
| 03:16.13 | jetscreamer | the nongpl binary that #debian doesn't like |
| 03:16.17 | liable | SMRB: check those sites for your model |
| 03:16.19 | abrotman | Rockyboa: sure seems available |
| 03:16.23 | widrone | SMRB: Debian on notebook could work fine, but... |
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| 03:17.05 | jetscreamer | the one from nvidia |
| 03:17.15 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 03:17.15 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 03:17.25 | SMRB | Liable ty for the sites |
| 03:17.30 | SMRB | ty guyz |
| 03:17.35 | SMRB | i'll give it a read |
| 03:17.39 | abrotman | liable: why didn't you stop me! |
| 03:18.00 | liable | abrotman: i was temporarily elsewhere :) |
| 03:18.07 | Rockyboa | abrotman, wondering why it is not in the apt list |
| 03:18.18 | abrotman | Rockyboa: ti's there for me |
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| 03:18.22 | abrotman | liable: the field? |
| 03:18.41 | liable | !slap abrotman |
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| 03:19.17 | Rockyboa | abrotman, using amd64? |
| 03:19.18 | liable | abrotman: btw its a paddock.. |
| 03:19.42 | abrotman | Rockyboa: are you buying? |
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| 03:19.47 | abrotman | liable: eh . ok |
| 03:20.09 | Rockyboa | Nope |
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| 03:25.06 | CompWizrd | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=python2.4&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all doesn't list the amd64 python either, which is odd because it's in stable |
| 03:25.08 | CompWizrd | for amd64 |
| 03:25.36 | infamy | i ahev a system that is hosed, and dkpg will not run since it cannot find update-rc.d |
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| 03:25.41 | zebalin4 | What does "dfsg" mean in a package version and why is it there? |
| 03:25.48 | zebalin4 | !dfsg |
| 03:25.48 | dpkg | somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 03:25.54 | infamy | i'm currently chrooted, and have not reset my path, could that be it? |
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| 03:26.41 | lucho | hola |
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| 03:28.01 | abrotman | !tell monteiro about away |
| 03:28.02 | r4f0 | hi? |
| 03:28.21 | r4f0 | can anybody tell me please which is the module of v4l? |
| 03:28.44 | r4f0 | hi? |
| 03:28.48 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:28.48 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:28.49 | r4f0 | anyone here? |
| 03:28.51 | monteiro | abrotman : sorry about that, my mistake |
| 03:29.09 | abrotman | monteiro: we dont' need a public announcement :) |
| 03:29.23 | abrotman | monteiro: good night :) |
| 03:29.37 | monteiro | abrotman : yes , i know :) u 2 |
| 03:29.54 | Supaplex | !test r4f0 |
| 03:29.54 | dpkg | Testing r4f0... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$ |
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| 03:31.04 | abrotman | wussy |
| 03:31.42 | Supaplex | ha |
| 03:32.52 | Rockyboa | CompWizrd, but its avail here http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=amd64&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fp%2Fpython2.4%2Fpython2.4_2.4.1-2_amd64.deb&md5sum=3caa81af4ad552cf2fb9b4044cb5386e&arch=amd64&type=unofficial |
| 03:33.24 | jetscreamer | !debug g800:5 |
| 03:34.11 | ice_1963 | hello adrotman, hey are you on sarge etch? |
| 03:34.34 | nse | ok, i am back to work. i want to show that the foundation in which mathematics is established is not solid enough to avoid some problems |
| 03:35.18 | Supaplex | ice_1963: he's in the lost abyss of disconnected irc client land. |
| 03:35.39 | r4f0 | can anybody tell me please which is the module of v4l? |
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| 03:35.46 | ice_1963 | i know :) |
| 03:36.07 | deadcat_ | r4f0: modprobe -l |grep v4l |
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| 03:37.45 | CompWizrd | Rockyboa: amd64 is kinda weird :) still can't figure out why mbr isn't packaged for amd64 stable.. it's sorta important with lilo |
| 03:37.56 | CompWizrd | i ended up compiling my own and i just copy it in and install as needed |
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| 03:39.13 | Rockyboa | are you running etch or sarge? |
| 03:39.15 | dendrite | r4f0: Try "apt-cache search v4l" |
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| 03:39.27 | CompWizrd | Rockyboa: sarge |
| 03:40.00 | Rockyboa | using apt-cache do you see python2.4? |
| 03:40.25 | Rockyboa | I'm running etch, just wondering |
| 03:40.51 | CompWizrd | lemme find my amd box |
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| 03:41.07 | CompWizrd | yup, 2.4.1-2 |
| 03:41.21 | Rockyboa | humm.. |
| 03:41.24 | CompWizrd | it's probably not packaged for testing, maybe <flip flip> the build failed or someting. |
| 03:41.45 | CompWizrd | or maybe <flip flip> gamma rays flipped the bits |
| 03:42.08 | Supaplex | what command, if any, lists devices connected to firewire? |
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| 03:42.18 | Supaplex | besides trolling into /proc by hand :) |
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| 03:42.47 | CompWizrd | gscanbus |
| 03:43.29 | CompWizrd | needs X though |
| 03:43.55 | Supaplex | fooey. I'm on a firewire with an itty bitty cf card. |
| 03:44.04 | woonix | Supaplex: I've heard of a "lsusb" program... maybe there is a firewire equivalent |
| 03:44.15 | Supaplex | excuse me, my brain is way dead. |
| 03:44.23 | Supaplex | s/firewire/firewall box/ |
| 03:44.45 | dendrite | Supaplex: Slight difference, eh? :-) |
| 03:45.09 | dendrite | Supaplex: strobe, nmap... |
| 03:45.41 | dendrite | Supaplex: Beware of legal implications of remote scanning... |
| 03:45.52 | Supaplex | hello genius |
| 03:46.09 | Supaplex | it's my hardware, and it's not networks I'm scanning. it's devices! |
| 03:46.10 | CompWizrd | dendrite: he wants to look to see what's on his firewire/1394 bus :) |
| 03:46.20 | dendrite | Supaplex: Then you should be OK. |
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| 03:46.29 | dendrite | CompWizrd: 23:44 < Supaplex> s/firewire/firewall box/ |
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| 03:46.50 | CompWizrd | but that's an s/, not a g/! |
| 03:46.50 | CompWizrd | :D |
| 03:46.59 | Supaplex | yes, and the firewall box has a firewire card in it. |
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| 03:47.12 | CompWizrd | Supaplex: any hard drives should show up in /proc/scsi |
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| 03:47.23 | CompWizrd | since firewire is basically scsi, iirc |
| 03:47.25 | Supaplex | that's what i don't get. I have two drives. |
| 03:47.37 | Supaplex | but only one shows up |
| 03:47.43 | zu22 | anyone know of a tabbed irc client for debian testing? |
| 03:47.49 | Supaplex | when I power on the second, it tramples all over the first. |
| 03:48.01 | liable | zu22: xchat |
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| 03:48.10 | freeone3000 | zu22: xchat ksirc |
| 03:48.13 | dendrite | Supaplex: Try plugging in after powering up? |
| 03:49.01 | zu22 | liable: cool i usually use epic4 but it's just console, no tabbing |
| 03:49.23 | Supaplex | I get the fw bus stage change notice, but it never pulls up the drive. |
| 03:49.52 | Supaplex | The order doesn't matter, and I have a different machine which shows the same behaivor. |
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| 03:50.40 | Supaplex | I can either diasy chain them, or use isolated ports on the adapter, and it wants to play opossom when the second drive is fired up. |
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| 03:53.08 | buu | I'm using mdadm on a raid5, if I drop a faulty device, install a new one and mdadm --manage --add /dev/device; then when i |
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| 03:53.43 | dogmeat | folks, I need some help fixing a broken packages on a system that is debian_version = testing/unstable. it appears that my /etc/apt/sources.list is using sarge |
| 03:53.48 | dogmeat | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2757 |
| 03:54.04 | buu | then when I query the drive it says the new one is 'spare' |
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| 03:54.42 | buu | Is that the correct status? |
| 03:54.45 | Supaplex | isn't that because the new one is out of sync? |
| 03:55.00 | Supaplex | any hot spares? |
| 03:55.15 | Craigevil | dogmeat just cahnge your sources.list accordingly |
| 03:55.20 | Craigevil | change lol |
| 03:56.33 | dogmeat | Craigevil: what should I change it to, exactly? |
| 03:57.05 | dogmeat | testing or unstable? |
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| 03:57.16 | Craigevil | you can just pick one of the mirror depending on where you live |
| 03:57.19 | Supaplex | dogmeat: sarge is stable now. that's unless you comingle packages. |
| 03:58.10 | dogmeat | i am using http://debian.inode.at/debian/ for my packages |
| 03:58.18 | dogmeat | it is a mirror AFAIK |
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| 03:58.51 | Craigevil | what are you trying to install? |
| 03:59.21 | Supaplex | dogmeat: describe what's broken again? |
| 03:59.29 | dogmeat | Supaplex: yes I would prefer to use sarge, unfortunately the packages system it has been using must be based around testing (i haven't checked thoroughtly, but i believe this is the issue) |
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| 03:59.43 | dogmeat | please see http://channels.debian.net/paste/2757 |
| 03:59.48 | liable | !info libc6 etch |
| 03:59.51 | Supaplex | dogmeat: man 5 sources.list |
| 04:00.20 | Supaplex | 80x50 is half descent on a 19" monitor. |
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| 04:01.07 | sh3ll | can someone please say "Deadlycow21" please? just testing my script |
| 04:01.14 | Supaplex | dogmeat: aptitude is a little smarter at handling deps. At anyrate, what's the last time you ran an update? |
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| 04:01.23 | Supaplex | !say Deadlycow21 |
| 04:01.23 | dpkg | Deadlycow21 |
| 04:01.24 | dogmeat | Supaplex: today |
| 04:01.35 | sh3ll | thanks... i can use the !say thing |
| 04:01.56 | dogmeat | Supaplex: what am i looking for in man 5 sources.list (i have glanced at this man page before) |
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| 04:01.59 | Supaplex | sh3ll: #debian-bots if you don't mind. :) |
| 04:01.59 | sh3ll | anyone hear about TPB? |
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| 04:02.03 | sh3ll | ok |
| 04:02.11 | SlayerXP | !say People abusing the bots in public will be forced to use Mandriva. |
| 04:02.12 | dpkg | People abusing the bots in public will be forced to use Mandriva. |
| 04:02.14 | Supaplex | for poking the bots etc. |
| 04:02.30 | Aid` | hey for somereason when my computer starts up it skips loading my snd driver how do i make it load it? |
| 04:02.30 | Craigevil | dogmeat have you used etch repos before? |
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| 04:02.38 | dogmeat | Craigevil: no |
| 04:02.52 | Sivik | has anyone here had any issues with a gigabyte ethernet card onboard a nForce 4 amd board? |
| 04:02.55 | Aid` | like how do i load a module upon startup, where do i want to go? |
| 04:03.11 | liable | Aid`: have you run alsaconf? |
| 04:03.17 | Supaplex | dogmeat: it's how apt/dpkg/aptitude track what branch of debian packages you follow. If you want sarge, make sure it says stable in your lists, and no mention of unstable, sid, etch or testing. |
| 04:03.18 | Craigevil | from your pastebin the version of libc6-dev it says it can't install is in etch |
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| 04:03.29 | Aid` | liable: i might have, is that bad? |
| 04:04.06 | Supaplex | Aid`: modprobe. I don't recall if its persistant. modconf may help to. |
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| 04:04.11 | dogmeat | Craigevil: OK |
| 04:04.27 | dogmeat | Craigevil: how can i back out those packages belonging to etch ? |
| 04:04.40 | liable | Aid`: no, it usually adds the neccessary things to /etc/modules.conf |
| 04:04.44 | dogmeat | how can i back out those packages belonging to etch ? (sorry, meant to ask the channel) |
| 04:04.57 | Sivik | can i get some help |
| 04:05.15 | ice_1963 | man theres a bug in etch xserver 7.0 to start it i had to be at ROOT ...not user back to sarge :) |
| 04:05.19 | Supaplex | dogmeat: sometimes you can downgrade, but it's very painfull, and fairly likely to only generate frustration. downgrades are not a normal feature :) |
| 04:05.38 | dogmeat | Supaplex: right, i prefer the easiest fix at the moment |
| 04:05.41 | Supaplex | dogmeat: if it's just a matter or removing, remove it. |
| 04:05.48 | Supaplex | or/of/ |
| 04:06.05 | Aid` | liable: i did alsaconf |
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| 04:06.09 | Aid` | but i dont htink it can find any |
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| 04:06.18 | Craigevil | why not just enable an etch repo? and install the packages you need? |
| 04:06.20 | Supaplex | !tell Sivik -about ask |
| 04:06.22 | liable | Aid`: what kernel do you have? |
| 04:06.59 | Aid` | 2.4.27-2 |
| 04:07.08 | dendrite | dogmeat: Downgrading is an unholy can of worms, at best. |
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| 04:07.14 | Craigevil | dogmeat: a couple of packages from Etch shouldnt mess things up |
| 04:07.18 | liable | Aid`: ok, either get the alsa-modules package or a 2.6 kernel |
| 04:07.19 | Aid` | like i cna load it manually |
| 04:07.27 | Sivik | Supaplex: i asked already |
| 04:07.30 | Supaplex | i've done it, but I highly suggest you have a backup. |
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| 04:07.40 | dogmeat | Craigevil: worth a try, but i am uncertain exactly what i need to do to make that happen |
| 04:07.41 | liable | Aid`: unless you want to use oss (which is deprecated) |
| 04:08.08 | dogmeat | perhaps i only need change the /etc/apt/sources.list to say unstable instead of sarge |
| 04:08.09 | LinuxNIT | where can i read about making a .deb for a program written in python? |
| 04:08.09 | dendrite | dogmeat: If it's just a couple of packages, you can set up to only see sarge repos, then apt-cache search to see what versions are available, and force installing of those versions of the packages... |
| 04:08.25 | liable | Aid`: best solution is to get a 2.6 kernel |
| 04:08.28 | Sivik | Supaplex: has anyone here had any issues with a gigabyte ethernet card onboard a nForce 4 amd board? |
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| 04:08.34 | widrone | Sivik: Some may have had that, what is the problem excactly? |
| 04:08.40 | dogmeat | dendrite: trying to force install libc6-dev |
| 04:08.42 | liable | LinuxNIT: theres a new maintainers guide at debian.org |
| 04:08.42 | Aid` | liable, i had it working with my sound not to long ago |
| 04:08.46 | Aid` | im not going to upgrade just for this |
| 04:09.04 | liable | Aid`: so add your oss modules to /etc/modules then |
| 04:09.07 | Sivik | widrone: the fact that i can't get debian to reconize it in order to install a net install |
| 04:09.08 | dendrite | dogmeat: Heh heh. You are playing with fire. Be sure to back up anything you care about. |
| 04:09.14 | Aid` | i dont know how to, liable |
| 04:09.19 | LinuxNIT | liable, this? >> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html#contents |
| 04:09.40 | liable | Aid`: just open it with a text editor and type them in. |
| 04:09.44 | Aid` | oh i see |
| 04:09.53 | Craigevil | dogmeat:edit your sources.list and add a etch repo, but keep an eye on what all it wants to install |
| 04:09.53 | Aid` | thought you meant modules.conf |
| 04:09.57 | Aid` | brb |
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| 04:10.01 | widrone | Sivik: Aye, I had that problem when I installed. Didnt bother working thru it thu, just popped in another card. Sorry, Im not the solution youre looking for I guess. |
| 04:10.13 | liable | LinuxNIT: yeah |
| 04:10.19 | dendrite | dogmeat: NM, libc6-dev != libc6 ... |
| 04:11.17 | Sivik | widron: i don't have another card, i am trying to do it with an older driver |
| 04:11.24 | LinuxNIT | liable, im confused on dh_make. it says its for source code and its looking for soruce code for my program... but the python program has no source code since its a scripted lang. |
| 04:11.47 | dendrite | dogmeat: In a nutshell, the idea of a downgrade would be to purge all "up" packages, point at the "down" repos, and go from there. |
| 04:12.17 | dogmeat | Craigevil: added etch repo to sources.list, then apt-get updated |
| 04:13.25 | dogmeat | Craigevil: it looks like it is doing the right thing, thanks. |
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| 04:13.43 | Craigevil | np just remeber to comment out etch when your done |
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| 04:13.50 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 04:13.57 | liable | LinuxNIT: ah, i see. i am not sure myself what file you need to edit, i guess therules file, try asking #debian-mentors |
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| 04:14.28 | LinuxNIT | liable, thank you ... much appreciated |
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| 04:15.16 | madd_matt | I'm looking for software for linux to take an .mp3 file, add a picture (jpeg or other) and output the two as a video file (mpeg?). Can mencoder do this? What else can? It seems like a fairly simple task. |
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| 04:15.57 | pngwen | I moved my sound card to a different pci slot in order to get more convenient cabling, now it shows up as dsp1 and mixer1, is there a way I can get it to go back to dsp0? |
| 04:16.21 | kakalto | can I add a certain directory as an apt source? or add a cd iso as an apt source? |
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| 04:16.53 | madd_matt | kakalto, yes, you can add a CD as a source. do you use synaptic? |
| 04:17.04 | stew | kakalto: look at apt-cdrom and apt-move |
| 04:17.20 | stew | pngwen: add the modules for the two soundcards to /etc/modules in the order you want them loaded |
| 04:17.28 | kakalto | madd_matt: cd _iso_ - I have no actual disc, just the image |
| 04:17.37 | kakalto | stew: ok, will do |
| 04:17.37 | pngwen | stew: there is only one sound card |
| 04:17.55 | madd_matt | kakalto, mount the ISO as a loopback device and use apt-cdrom |
| 04:18.07 | pngwen | stew: it has a different pci id now, and it is though it's remembering the old one, and so it thinks this is dsp1 instead of 0 |
| 04:18.16 | kakalto | madd_matt, does that actually work? I figured it wouldn't actually detect it |
| 04:18.30 | widrone | Sivik: Maybe try some of the daily d-i, they may include the drivers you need. |
| 04:18.36 | madd_matt | mount -o loop -t iso9660 $1 /mnt/iso /home/user/file.iso |
| 04:19.04 | Sivik | widrone: ok |
| 04:19.11 | madd_matt | apt-cdrom -d /mnt/iso add |
| 04:19.27 | madd_matt | from what i can see, that should work. I haven't tried it. |
| 04:19.50 | dogmeat | Craigevil: it worked, thanks |
| 04:19.54 | kakalto | madd_matt: thanks |
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| 04:20.51 | Craigevil | dogmeat: thats great |
| 04:21.32 | dogmeat | yeah this was a real jam, good thing i got the right advise, because i could have spent many hours trying to figure out what to do. |
| 04:21.33 | widrone | Sivik: I think the driver is sosrt of excluded since the nvnet module is proprietary. But corresct me if Im wrong... |
| 04:21.57 | Sivik | widrone: so why don't i have a problem with it in any other distros |
| 04:22.18 | liable | Sivik: newer kernel? |
| 04:22.22 | widrone | Sivik: This is debian, and debian dont put in non free shit afaik. |
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| 04:22.47 | Sivik | liable: installing the newest kernel that you can install from the cd |
| 04:22.53 | madd_matt | widrone, if you enable non-free in apt, sure. |
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| 04:23.29 | widrone | madd_matt: Nonfree drivers/modules in stock netinstall image "problem". =) |
| 04:23.37 | wolf4911 | can't find kqemu in apt - anybody compiled successfully? |
| 04:23.40 | liable | Sivik: google the card and linux and try and find out what kernel/module supports it |
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| 04:26.58 | Sivik | liable, but thats the thing, i can't figure out what kind of card it is other than nvidia gigabyte ethernet card |
| 04:27.23 | liable | Sivik: hrm, cant google the mobo? |
| 04:27.35 | widrone | liable: Sivik: I think the module is refered to as nvnet. |
| 04:28.03 | Sivik | liable, already been trying to figure out the mobo |
| 04:28.56 | wolf4911 | anybody runs qemu with kqemu on Sid at all? somebody has to |
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| 04:29.37 | liable | stupid proprietry crap |
| 04:29.42 | widrone | Sivik: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0310.html maybe, for more info? |
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| 04:30.39 | jcole | how does one output to multiple files without usind tee? ie: "echo test >> 1.txt >> 2.txt >> 3.txt" |
| 04:31.01 | Sivik | ok, i installed gnome but i can't get debian to open up into the GUI |
| 04:31.47 | widrone | Sivik: I run one of these mobos on a charity host, remember I just taped over the ethernet hole and stuck a 3c59x in the box instead. |
| 04:31.48 | amphi | jcole: you can do that in zsh |
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| 04:32.06 | widrone | And Im not ever spendign money on them again. |
| 04:32.42 | Sivik | widrone: did that fix the problem with the freezing |
| 04:32.50 | Sivik | widron: running xsession, how do i do it in debian |
| 04:33.16 | liable | !startx |
| 04:33.16 | dpkg | startx is probably a script that starts the X Window System , configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. see starting gnome, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits. |
| 04:33.33 | Sivik | -bash: startx: command not found |
| 04:33.39 | Sivik | i had already tried startx |
| 04:33.52 | liable | Sivik: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 04:34.16 | liable | Sivik: you also prolly want gdm if you want a graphical login |
| 04:34.21 | Sivik | ok |
| 04:34.45 | widrone | Sivik: I think I disabled the damn ethernet in bios even, cant remember. Its been running headless for a year or two, sorry bout that. Cant really help you anymore. |
| 04:34.59 | Sivik | widrone: ok |
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| 04:42.40 | Sivik | this old of kernel doesn't like my mobo |
| 04:43.26 | lavi | hi, i've a question. the 2 command: 'locate startx' print the path of startx, then i can type 'file pos' to know what it is. how to combine two commands to one/ |
| 04:43.54 | servus | file `locate startx` ? |
| 04:44.02 | lavi | ya |
| 04:44.16 | lavi | i need to know where the startx. |
| 04:44.20 | Sivik | how do i go about knowing what locations to add in order to upgrade the kernel |
| 04:44.53 | liable | !reference |
| 04:44.55 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 04:45.34 | lavi | anyone can help me? |
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| 04:46.06 | Supaplex | lavi: in bash, for file in `locate startx` ; do file $file ; done |
| 04:47.03 | lavi | Supaplex: great! thx you a lot! |
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| 04:50.00 | overflow | Hi there |
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| 04:52.50 | Sivik | stupid question, where is a list of debian repos |
| 04:53.06 | lavi | Supaplex: :) for above command , how can i use alias to transform it to my bashrc? i wanna use a cmd instead writing a shell file. |
| 04:53.18 | liable | !mirrors |
| 04:53.19 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
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| 04:53.51 | Supaplex | lavi: you'd have to write a bash function. try #bash |
| 04:54.23 | Sivik | liable: are there not any backdoor or multiverse to install other stuff |
| 04:54.24 | lavi | Supaplex: ok, thx again |
| 04:54.49 | liable | Sivik: there are unofficial mirrors out there, sure. |
| 04:55.41 | Sivik | how do i go about installing a new kernel via apt-get |
| 04:55.46 | liable | Sivik: have a read of the debian reference |
| 04:55.52 | liable | !reference |
| 04:55.53 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
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| 04:57.45 | Sivik | ok, i'm confused, i can't find a kernel newer than 2.6.8 |
| 04:57.57 | streuner | use backports then |
| 04:58.18 | Sivik | but i don't know what the url for the backports are |
| 04:58.22 | streuner | Sivik: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 05:02.17 | beetlepun_ | anyone ever hear about gp2x? |
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| 05:03.08 | tonsofpcs | anyone have the direct link to the floppy image for netinstall ? |
| 05:03.47 | evil_andy | how do I force apt-get to install a package from testing? (I tried apt-get install package_name/testing but it said no release testing exists for package_name) |
| 05:03.59 | evil_andy | the website says the package exists |
| 05:04.00 | streuner | !floppy |
| 05:04.00 | dpkg | sarge floppies is probably http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
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| 05:04.52 | Craigevil | do you have testing in your sources.list? |
| 05:05.49 | evil_andy | Craigevil, no, do I need that? |
| 05:05.55 | streuner | evil_andy: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 05:06.47 | evil_andy | thanks streuner and Craigevil |
| 05:06.49 | dn4 | how do I find out the version of wine with apt-get? |
| 05:06.53 | dn4 | apt-get version wine? |
| 05:07.05 | streuner | apt-cache show wine |
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| 05:07.23 | Sivik | ok, i'm offically lost, i can't figure out how install the 2.6.16 kernel for debian |
| 05:07.37 | Sivik | especially trying to do it in a non-gui mode |
| 05:07.39 | sid | Sivik: What version of debian? |
| 05:07.50 | streuner | Sivik: using stable? visit backports.org and read instructions. |
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| 05:07.57 | Sivik | streuner: i'm confused |
| 05:08.04 | Sivik | 2.6.8-2-286 |
| 05:08.05 | AmyS3 | moin mädels |
| 05:08.10 | Sivik | 2.6.8-2-386* |
| 05:08.19 | streuner | AmyS3: english... |
| 05:08.40 | AmyS3 | good morning girls ^^ |
| 05:08.46 | dn4 | ok I need wine 0.9.5 or higher |
| 05:08.52 | dn4 | apt only comes with 0.9.2 |
| 05:08.54 | dn4 | boooo |
| 05:09.17 | dn4 | wait I got 0.9.12 |
| 05:09.18 | dn4 | my bad |
| 05:09.32 | evil_andy | Craigevil, Thanks, that worked :) |
| 05:09.51 | Craigevil | glad to hear |
| 05:09.58 | AmyS3 | hi Craigevil ^^ |
| 05:10.07 | Craigevil | :) |
| 05:10.30 | sid | j4 |
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| 05:11.38 | sid | !tell Sivik about sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 05:12.35 | Sivik | sid: must install a non-gui browser |
| 05:12.49 | tonsofpcs | thanks streuner [was reading something ;)] |
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| 05:12.51 | streuner | Sivik: why? |
| 05:13.19 | dabreegster | Dunno why a non GUI browser would help, but go elinks if you do. |
| 05:13.24 | sid | Sounds like Sivik is doing a net install with sarge on a desktop machine. When he should be using etch. |
| 05:13.26 | streuner | Sivik: using VESA is always a good idea in case something don't work... |
| 05:13.29 | sid | !tell Sivik about etch |
| 05:13.39 | Sivik | streuner, cause no matter what driver i use for my XFree86 |
| 05:13.55 | Sivik | streuner, trying to run with vesa right now, its not working, the kernel is too old to like my video card |
| 05:13.58 | streuner | Sivik: try 'VESA' in 800x640 |
| 05:14.05 | Sivik | streuner, already |
| 05:14.08 | sid | o, it's not a netinstall. I was just too lazy to ready his 60 lines of comments. |
| 05:14.15 | sid | !tell Sivik about drxx |
| 05:14.16 | tonsofpcs | now to find where i saved rawritewin ;) |
| 05:14.25 | sid | Sivik: When it asks you what driver, chose "vesa" |
| 05:14.41 | streuner | Sivik: use 16 bpp, 800x640 |
| 05:15.05 | Sivik | sid: i can't get the drxx to work |
| 05:15.27 | sid | Sivik: WHat does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 05:15.38 | Sivik | 3.1 |
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| 05:18.52 | sid | Sivik: iirc(I'm might be wrong) you need to change an md5sum has value |
| 05:19.47 | sid | ie md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 05:19.50 | sid | or something like that |
| 05:20.01 | Sivik | sid: i'm offically lost |
| 05:20.03 | sid | I can't remember, but it's only in sarge. it's not in etch or sid |
| 05:20.06 | Sivik | iirc: command not found |
| 05:20.18 | sid | if I recall/remember correctly |
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| 05:20.32 | sid | !iirc |
| 05:20.33 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 05:20.37 | Sivik | oh |
| 05:20.57 | sid | Sivik: "locate md5|grep -i free" |
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| 05:22.03 | Sivik | locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directoty |
| 05:22.08 | Sivik | locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory* |
| 05:23.42 | Sivik | there is nothing in the locate folder |
| 05:23.56 | liable | updatedb |
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| 05:26.37 | Sivik | sid: i found that file in the /var/lib and did the md5sum command that you told me |
| 05:26.39 | Sivik | sid: now what |
| 05:26.54 | sid | !drxx |
| 05:26.55 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 05:26.59 | llvllatrix | Hi; currently in the process of switching from X69 to X7. Currently it seems that my system cannot find the "fixed" font. Any suggestions? |
| 05:27.03 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 05:27.04 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:27.11 | sid | Sivik: Now use dpkg-reconfigure to change your video driver to vesa, then reboot. |
| 05:27.46 | dabreegster | llvllatrix: I recall in the debian wiki on the transition page a thing about the fixed font, lemme go hunt it down |
| 05:28.02 | Sivik | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: please specify a package to reconfigure |
| 05:28.23 | dn4 | http://pastebin.com/761755 <-- any idea why this happens? |
| 05:28.46 | sid | Sivik: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 05:28.47 | SlayerXP | Sivik: does your systems administrator know that you have the root password? |
| 05:28.53 | sid | lol SlayerXP |
| 05:29.19 | SlayerXP | dn4: "make: wineg++: Command not found" |
| 05:29.29 | dn4 | how can I get the wineg++ command? |
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| 05:29.52 | SlayerXP | dn4: install it. |
| 05:30.32 | SlayerXP | assuming such a compiler is available in debian |
| 05:30.55 | Sivik | SlayerXP: i am the system admin |
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| 05:31.07 | Sivik | sid: su: dpkg-configure: command not found |
| 05:31.14 | SlayerXP | Sivik: no, you're not. I assure you. |
| 05:31.18 | dabreegster | llvllatrix: Sorry, thought I remembered something about it at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, but guess not |
| 05:31.21 | Sivik | SlayerXP: how can't i be |
| 05:31.29 | Sivik | SlayerXP: its my bloody computer |
| 05:31.39 | cahoot | Sivik: he's pulling your leg |
| 05:31.42 | Sivik | cahoot: oh |
| 05:31.51 | Sivik | !reconfigure |
| 05:31.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, reconfigure is really dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
| 05:31.52 | SlayerXP | i aim? |
| 05:31.53 | sid | Sivik: You mistyped, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:31.54 | SlayerXP | err am |
| 05:31.57 | llvllatrix | dabreegester: thanks for trying :) |
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| 05:34.44 | Sivik | still didn't work, i made it into vesa with 800X600 16-bit and still doesn't load the x when i run startx |
| 05:34.57 | liable | whats the actuall error though? |
| 05:35.05 | liable | check the log |
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| 05:35.49 | jshriver | Greetings |
| 05:35.54 | Sivik | there we go finally |
| 05:35.58 | jshriver | anyone here recommend a wiki package for apache +php? |
| 05:36.26 | jshriver | I want to setup a wiki site on my server. But there seems to be many packages.. looking for some recommendations |
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| 05:37.50 | llvllatrix | moinmoin was fairly painless |
| 05:37.56 | llvllatrix | and effective when setup |
| 05:38.22 | llvllatrix | i think the debian wiki uses moinmoin |
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| 05:39.13 | jshriver | thanks for the tip |
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| 05:41.34 | tonsofpcs | ok, my system won't boot from floppy, but I got a knoppix cd to boot, is there a way i can boot it and have it start the debian net installer? |
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| 05:41.54 | tonsofpcs | [686] |
| 05:42.08 | liable | why not just use the installer if it boots from cd? |
| 05:42.20 | tonsofpcs | liable - I don't want to download the cd ;) |
| 05:42.36 | tonsofpcs | i already have stacks of boot cd n*xs |
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| 05:42.47 | Vasistha | tonsofpcs: you'll probably spend less time downloading the cd than you will struggling to figure out a different way ;-) |
| 05:42.59 | liable | tonsofpcs: you can just get an installer kernel and initrd and boot from it. |
| 05:43.03 | tonsofpcs | Vasistha - yea, but i don't have any blanks either ;) |
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| 05:43.24 | tonsofpcs | i remember reading about a way to run the installer from a boot cd... |
| 05:43.39 | yongshunz | tonsofpcs: the mini install cd is about 20M, |
| 05:43.46 | FarrisG | Any especially brave and generous souls care to help me track down the cause of some higher-than-I'd-like packet loss? I've positively ruled out network, route, and CPU. Seems the only real contender now is disk i/o |
| 05:43.46 | Vasistha | tonsofpcs: I actually did my install straight from hard drive -- my cd drive is broken, and I didn't want to bother with a floppy |
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| 05:44.12 | topa_ | is there a official channel for debian-unstable on OFTC ? |
| 05:44.15 | tonsofpcs | Vasistha - yea, my other machine [this one] is a notebook and the ide<>usb adapter is kinda sluggish |
| 05:44.42 | Vasistha | topa_: debian unstable questions are fair game here... I'd imagine they're fair in #debian on oftc as well |
| 05:44.54 | topa_ | Vasistha, ok |
| 05:45.04 | topa_ | anyone upgraded reportbug today.. |
| 05:45.05 | dn4 | http://pastebin.com/761766 <-- any ideas why this happens when I try to do make |
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| 05:45.21 | topa_ | it's installation(after upgrading) is throwing a syntax error in the code |
| 05:45.24 | Vasistha | tonsofpcs: ...so you're going with liable's suggestion, just get an installer kernel and initrd and boot |
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| 05:45.38 | thementor | hello channel |
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| 05:45.46 | tonsofpcs | Vasistha - how would i do that? ;) |
| 05:46.00 | Vasistha | thementor: welcome! feel free to just ask a question if you've got one... |
| 05:46.06 | thementor | is "etch" a stable distro |
| 05:46.11 | Vasistha | tonsofpcs: well... have you been to the installing debian page? |
| 05:46.22 | tonsofpcs | Vasistha - I can't navigate the site since they last redid it ;) |
| 05:46.27 | Vasistha | thementor: well... depends what you compare it to! How do you define "stable"? |
| 05:46.42 | cahoot | dn4: a guess: ladcca-dev not installed? |
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| 05:47.03 | Vasistha | tonsofpcs: hrm, did you try googling for install debian |
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| 05:47.09 | thementor | is it "stable" as declared by debian |
| 05:47.18 | liable | no |
| 05:47.20 | thementor | i found it as Beat2 |
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| 05:47.22 | Vasistha | thementor: well... no, debian declares it as "testing". |
| 05:47.27 | Craigevil | stable is Sarge, eych is testing |
| 05:47.30 | Craigevil | etch |
| 05:47.35 | thementor | when is it expected |
| 05:47.38 | Craigevil | there is a difference |
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| 05:47.41 | thementor | to become stable |
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| 05:47.42 | Vasistha | thementor: december |
| 05:47.49 | thementor | thanks |
| 05:48.02 | Vasistha | ... some people |
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| 05:48.30 | Craigevil | etch will release WIR |
| 05:48.52 | Vasistha | Craigevil: don't you love the debian way? :-) |
| 05:49.15 | Craigevil | yes i run sid anyway, never unstood the big fuss about "releases" |
| 05:49.37 | Craigevil | especially the way ubuntu does them |
| 05:50.03 | Vasistha | well... I like stable, because I don't like to do a lot of work maintaining my system. It can get a little frustrating though, being two years behind everyone else |
| 05:50.15 | tonsofpcs | Vasistha - ok, i found the install man, checking through it... i don't really want to do the manual bootstrap, checking for options |
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| 05:50.50 | Vasistha | tonsofpcs: well, you're not leaving yourself many options... you don't want the net install, you don't want the full cd, you don't want the bootstrap... dunno what else is left ;-) |
| 05:50.51 | Craigevil | sid isnt that hard, use apt-listbugs and wait a day or two before updating things |
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| 05:51.35 | Vasistha | Craigevil: yeah, but I've only updated kdelibs twice in the last six months |
| 05:52.10 | Craigevil | i do updates once a week, gives me something to do when i cant sleep |
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| 05:52.33 | Vasistha | tonsofpcs: I believe the bootstrap is the installer kernel and initrd option. The net install cd will be easier... and it actually might be possible to put the net install cd straight on your hard drive, so you don't have to burn a cd |
| 05:53.02 | Craigevil | never done a dist-upgrade though |
| 05:53.02 | Vasistha | Craigevil: how often does stuff break, and require attention, or doing without for a few days or a week? |
| 05:53.04 | tonsofpcs | Vasistha - yea, that's what i was thinking, i'm trying to bounce around the manual |
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| 05:53.34 | Craigevil | i read the mailing list to chekc for problems befor updating things |
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| 05:53.50 | Vasistha | tonsofpcs: well.. one thing that I know is that I leave myself some time for a debian install. I make sure I understand what I'm doing, and don't expect to finish it quickly -- although last time it was actually really easy, I just took a long time preparing |
| 05:53.52 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 05:54.01 | Gnea | Craigevil: do you have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed? |
| 05:54.02 | bintut | any recommendations on what's the easiest way to download files automatically from a webdav shares? |
| 05:54.12 | tonsofpcs | hmmm, maybe I can TFTP boot it |
| 05:54.15 | Craigevil | only had one major screw up and that was just last week with udev update |
| 05:55.20 | cahoot | Craigevil: and you speak from a multi-year experience of unstable? |
| 05:55.37 | Craigevil | a little over 2 1/2 yrs so far |
| 05:55.53 | Gnea | i'll take that as a 'no' then |
| 05:56.01 | Craigevil | Sorry Gnea no |
| 05:56.07 | Vasistha | bintut: I don't really know what a webdev share is... but maybe you need rsync? Or perhaps a daemon to run a wget script? |
| 05:56.28 | Gnea | Craigevil: check 'em out - if there are some nasty open bugs, you can always opt out of the upgrade/dist-upgrade |
| 05:56.29 | bintut | Vasistha: i tried wget but i can't download it.. |
| 05:56.35 | SlayerXP | i'd sack any sysadmin who used unstable on production systems. |
| 05:56.37 | Craigevil | should I? i just take a look at the apt-listbugs output before oking |
| 05:56.53 | Vasistha | bintut: that's kinda weird. you mean, you can't download wget, or you can't download from the share? |
| 05:57.00 | Craigevil | i use apt-listbugs :) |
| 05:57.08 | Craigevil | its saved my butt many times |
| 05:57.08 | Gnea | Craigevil: i use both, it helps |
| 05:57.20 | Gnea | yeah |
| 05:57.27 | SlayerXP | either that or put them in charge of a windows 95 cluster |
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| 05:57.33 | Vasistha | SlayerXP: hehe |
| 05:58.15 | bintut | Vasistha: i can't download from a webdav share properly because the files are shown as text and not in their binary forms |
| 05:58.15 | Vasistha | SlayerXP: I've known of people who wouldn't even allow a windows 95 computer to connect to their network because they were afraid it would compromise their network |
| 05:58.29 | Vasistha | bintut: I'm pretty sure wget has a binary mode? |
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| 05:59.07 | Craigevil | Gnea: python -apt has missing dependncies. will it install anyway? |
| 06:00.04 | Vasistha | bintut: ...although I sure can't find one in man wget :P |
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| 06:00.29 | bintut | Vasistha: yeah.. :( |
| 06:00.31 | ic3man05 | smartmontools is a beautiful tool |
| 06:00.41 | Vasistha | bintut: I'm pretty sure apt-get uses wget though, and .deb's are certainly in binary form |
| 06:01.24 | MariusX | hello ppl. I was hoping someone could guide me through setting up a virtual host with apache2. I have read heaps of things on the internet and nothing has helped me to get it working. |
| 06:02.43 | cam | hi, i've dist-upgrade testing and since then, X is broken ... you can find the log of my Xserver : http://channels.debian.net/paste2/2758 ; any idea what's wrong ? |
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| 06:04.05 | cahoot | Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) - cam - see that? |
| 06:04.58 | MariusX | I got similar problem with X as well |
| 06:05.00 | cam | cahoot, yes, but i don't understand why . I'm running 2.6.16.18 compiled myself, and I ran NVIDIA pkg from nvidia.com, module is compiled and load succesfully into the kernel ... |
| 06:06.50 | cahoot | cam try /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 06:07.02 | Sadus | cam, follow these steps http://haytham.khouja.com/wordpress/2006/06/03/installingupdating-nvidia-linux-drivers-xorg/ |
| 06:08.03 | Sadus | cam, let me know if it works |
| 06:08.11 | ic3man05 | cahoot, version of debian? |
| 06:08.23 | cahoot | ic3man05: ? |
| 06:08.34 | ic3man05 | cahoot, stable/testing/unstable |
| 06:08.46 | cam | Sadus, hold on |
| 06:08.46 | cahoot | ic3man05: why do you ask me? |
| 06:09.07 | ic3man05 | cahoot: testing recently went to xorg 7 and the nvidia installer doesn't install the module right |
| 06:09.26 | cahoot | ic3man05: I think you mean to speak to cam |
| 06:09.48 | ic3man05 | ah sorry my bad |
| 06:10.07 | ic3man05 | cam: read above what I wrote to cahoot, see if that applies to you |
| 06:10.59 | cahoot | ic3man05: I thought the nvidia installer broke on a daily basis by default |
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| 06:11.12 | liable | heh |
| 06:12.16 | cam | ok, here is the fix : ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so && ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o |
| 06:12.43 | cam | ic3man05, yeah testing |
| 06:13.00 | cam | Sadus, the link u gave is working |
| 06:13.07 | cam | I mean the instructions ;? |
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| 06:13.12 | cam | tx! |
| 06:13.16 | ic3man05 | cam: looks like the path is messed up google for debian wiki xorg69to7 |
| 06:13.38 | Sadus | cam, cool that's my personal blog |
| 06:13.38 | cam | hehe ok |
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| 06:15.25 | ic3man05 | I just found out my server hdd has 11000+ hours on it |
| 06:15.29 | cam | Sadus, did you symlink .so and/or .o ? |
| 06:16.31 | Sadus | both |
| 06:16.53 | Sadus | i think u only need the .so |
| 06:17.02 | tonsofpcs | I symlinked / once ;) |
| 06:17.08 | cam | yeah i thought so`` |
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| 06:17.35 | jetscreamer | nvidia installer works fine here |
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| 06:18.12 | cam | yeah, .so is enough |
| 06:18.25 | cam | jetscreamer, are u on stable ? testing ? |
| 06:18.30 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 06:18.47 | cam | hmm |
| 06:18.50 | jetscreamer | you have to install xserver-xorg-dev for it to find stuff |
| 06:18.59 | jetscreamer | something about a .pc file i htink |
| 06:19.06 | ic3man05 | I just put an argument after the installer |
| 06:19.13 | ic3man05 | so it installed correctly |
| 06:19.13 | MTecknology | I'm trying to install a debian distro on an old computer. It by default has gnome and crashes when trying to start the graphical display manager. Is there somebody that can either help with that, or tell me a good command line distro based on debian? |
| 06:19.42 | dondelelcaro | MTecknology: you don't need to install gnome or anything else |
| 06:19.46 | jetscreamer | MTecknology: examine /var/log/xfree or X.org files |
| 06:19.53 | jetscreamer | and what he said |
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| 06:20.10 | dondelelcaro | MTecknology: in the installer, instead of having it install the desktop package, manually configure the packages that are installed, and only install the packages that you actually want |
| 06:20.16 | foo | When a linux server starts using swap memory, it is not good. And when swap is full, it is even worse, correct? |
| 06:20.24 | dondelelcaro | s/desktop package/desktop task/ |
| 06:20.25 | MTecknology | how do i do that? |
| 06:20.30 | dondelelcaro | foo: no, there's nothing wrong with using swap |
| 06:20.37 | jetscreamer | reinstall or just remove stuff |
| 06:20.49 | ic3man05 | foo, when swap is being used a lot you will notice a performance hit |
| 06:20.55 | cam | jetscreamer, indeed xserver-xorg-dev is not installed ... that's maybe why nvidia installer mess up the thing |
| 06:20.55 | dondelelcaro | foo: what is critical is how many pages are being actively used and how many of those happen to be in swap |
| 06:21.06 | ic3man05 | foo, ram access is a LOT faster then hdd access |
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| 06:21.35 | jetscreamer | cam: it hadn't worked in a while for me till i installed that |
| 06:21.36 | jetscreamer | all i know |
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| 06:21.53 | jdorje | I am using debian unstable, and I my xrender lib is broken. But I can't report this because reportbug is also broken. How else should I report these bugs? |
| 06:21.58 | jetscreamer | an nvidia dev said to and hey presto |
| 06:22.13 | jetscreamer | email jdorje |
| 06:22.23 | dondelelcaro | jdorje: well, the best way is to fix reportbug, but otherwise, use your mta to file a bug. See the documentation at bugs.debian.org |
| 06:22.39 | jdorje | jdorje@devon:~$ reportbug xserver-xorg |
| 06:22.39 | jdorje | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 06:22.39 | jdorje | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.39 | jdorje | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.39 | jdorje | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:22.46 | jetscreamer | ooopsies |
| 06:23.09 | deadcat_ | thats what you get for reporting bugs (= |
| 06:23.22 | tonsofpcs | lol |
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| 06:24.21 | fr33mind | Compiling /usr/share/reportbug/reportbug_submit.py ... |
| 06:24.21 | fr33mind | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.21 | fr33mind | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.22 | fr33mind | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.22 | fr33mind | SyntaxError: invalid syntax |
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| 06:24.40 | deadcat_ | see. ^^ this guy dont learn |
| 06:25.53 | dondelelcaro | fr33mind: stop pasting please. |
| 06:26.14 | fr33mind | done |
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| 06:27.14 | fr33mind | Somebody knows python? I try to dist-upgrade on sid and I got this error.. |
| 06:27.27 | deadcat_ | fr33mind: then wait till its fix |
| 06:28.00 | fr33mind | heu? There is 3 words on this line... sure someone knows! |
| 06:28.08 | fr33mind | (I don't know python) |
| 06:28.15 | deadcat_ | like i said... |
| 06:28.17 | fr33mind | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:29.31 | fr33mind | on the reportbug package. |
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| 06:29.53 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #370600 |
| 06:29.56 | dpkg | #370600:G[reportbug] reportbug 3.21 fails to configure (while failed != True: SyntaxError: invalid syntax); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 01:18:31 UTC |
| 06:30.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell fr33mind -about bts |
| 06:31.00 | foo | dondelelcaro: I had a server crash. In the logs all I can see is that swap became full and basically the server restarted ...is the swap being used up a valid reason for the crash? |
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| 06:32.22 | jetscreamer | probably an oom |
| 06:32.31 | jetscreamer | and the full swap is a symptom |
| 06:32.38 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 06:33.07 | jetscreamer | bad app, bad! |
| 06:33.27 | jetscreamer | 'what' used up all the memory |
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| 06:37.18 | foo | jetscreamer: apache/mysql |
| 06:37.50 | tonsofpcs | ok, i'm trying to install via debootstrap and every time i do it says it can't find gcc-3_2 |
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| 06:38.25 | justice | hi, I am having problems with k3b with my sarge install. it seems to hang on "performing optimum power calabration" |
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| 06:40.43 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: install which distro with which version of debootstrap? |
| 06:40.51 | liable | cdrecord burns ok? |
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| 06:41.20 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro - trying to grab sarge |
| 06:41.28 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: with which version of debootstrap? |
| 06:41.31 | tonsofpcs | with whichever version of debootstrap is in knopix 3.3 |
| 06:41.42 | dondelelcaro | it's probably a horribly broken versino |
| 06:41.49 | justice | liable: does it work with iso |
| 06:41.58 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: download the debootstrap that is actually in sarge, and use that to debootstrap sarge |
| 06:42.03 | liable | justice: sure |
| 06:42.12 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: it'll be in http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ |
| 06:42.17 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro - yea, I tried that, it complains about missing perl or pkg[something].c needs compilation |
| 06:42.24 | deadcat_ | justice: its easier to burn via cdrecord than a gui if its iso |
| 06:42.35 | tonsofpcs | maybe i can install woody via this debootstrap then upgrade in place? |
| 06:42.49 | justice | liable: i have not tryed cdrecord from the command |
| 06:42.57 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: yeah, that may be easier; you also may have better luck just downloading the sarge netinst media and using that to debootstrap sarge |
| 06:43.17 | tonsofpcs | hmmm, i could mount the iso loopback and chroot to it.... |
| 06:43.50 | liable | justice: http://www.cyberciti.biz/nixcraft/vivek/blogger/2005/09/how-do-i-write-cd-at-debain-linux.html |
| 06:44.06 | justice | but I do like the gui for drag and drop type burning, MP3 on the go sort of idea |
| 06:44.41 | dn4 | http://pastebin.com/761830 <-- issues with jack each time I try to restart jack after terminating it or after it crashes |
| 06:44.41 | justice | thanks for the link |
| 06:45.02 | tonsofpcs | eta 5 minutes ;) |
| 06:45.20 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro - think loopback will work on the iso to use it to install on the drive it is on? |
| 06:45.27 | tonsofpcs | [drive == partition] |
| 06:45.31 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: sure |
| 06:45.40 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: it's a little bit convoluted, but it'll work |
| 06:45.48 | tonsofpcs | now to remember how to do all this ;) haven't need loopback in a while |
| 06:45.58 | tonsofpcs | 3 minutes |
| 06:46.01 | dondelelcaro | mount -o loop foofile.iso barmountpoint |
| 06:46.12 | tonsofpcs | thanks ;) |
| 06:46.24 | tonsofpcs | then just chroot to the mountpoint should do it, right? |
| 06:46.32 | dondelelcaro | yerp |
| 06:46.40 | tonsofpcs | yay |
| 06:46.42 | tonsofpcs | 2.5 |
| 06:46.51 | dondelelcaro | you'll need to bindmount the target into the mountpoint |
| 06:46.57 | tonsofpcs | huh? |
| 06:47.11 | tonsofpcs | what's that? |
| 06:47.20 | tonsofpcs | makes it not move for chroot? |
| 06:47.23 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: you can't debootstrap out of the chroot of course |
| 06:47.24 | cahoot | dn4: artsd isn't enabled by chance? |
| 06:47.33 | dn4 | cahoot, how do I check if it is? |
| 06:47.41 | dondelelcaro | (unless the target partition isn't mounted already or something) |
| 06:47.45 | deadcat_ | man i havent watched a movie in a LONG time |
| 06:47.54 | cahoot | dn4: try pgrep arts |
| 06:47.56 | tonsofpcs | so what does bindmount do? |
| 06:48.00 | tonsofpcs | 1.... |
| 06:48.24 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: mounts a file or directory on top of another file or directory; makes them behave like the same file with some caveats |
| 06:48.28 | dn4 | cahoot, nothing shows up |
| 06:48.42 | tonsofpcs | so what would i do that to? the cd? |
| 06:48.45 | cahoot | dn4: ok |
| 06:48.48 | tonsofpcs | [well the image] |
| 06:48.52 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: where do you want to install to? |
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| 06:49.04 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: whatever that is has to be mounted somewhere under where you're chrooting |
| 06:49.17 | tonsofpcs | right now i have knoppix loaded, i have the cd image downloading to /dev/hda1, /dev/hda1 is for /, /dev/hda2 is for swap, i can make more if needed |
| 06:50.20 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: so you're going to mount /dev/hda1 on /disk1 or something; then mount -o loop /disk1/disk.iso /cdrom; then mount -o bind /disk1 /cdrom/target; chroot cdrom; debootstrap sarge target; |
| 06:50.46 | dn4 | cahoot, any other ideas? |
| 06:51.21 | tonsofpcs | rebooting |
| 06:51.38 | cahoot | dn4: just that this looks malignant: jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd |
| 06:51.38 | cahoot | zombified - calling shutdown handler |
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| 06:52.54 | dn4 | cahoot, if I restart my entire system it works fine then crashes randomly |
| 06:53.13 | tonsofpcs | so now i can mount -o loop /mnt/hda3/isofilename /mnt/fakecd chroot /mnt/fakecd mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 debootstrap sarge /mnt/hda1 http://mirror.here.now/debian right? |
| 06:54.05 | dn4 | cahoot, someone suggested prolly something to do with a cache/tmp file somewhere |
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| 06:55.49 | cahoot | dn4: found a few postings on the subject - only questions - no answers |
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| 06:56.12 | dn4 | cahoot, hmmm |
| 06:56.32 | dn4 | cahoot, yeah apprently it is something new when I brought it up in #LAD |
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| 06:59.50 | tonsofpcs | hmmm, that's not working |
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| 07:00.21 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: you'll probably have to create the /dev/hda1 device node |
| 07:00.25 | dazjorz | Hello |
| 07:00.30 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: since iirc, the sarge cds use udev |
| 07:00.35 | dazjorz | I'm using the Amavis package on Debian |
| 07:00.56 | tonsofpcs | I can't chroot to the cdrom |
| 07:00.57 | dazjorz | After a while, it reports to syslog that "MySQL has gone away" and then it exits |
| 07:01.05 | dazjorz | is there a way to fix it? |
| 07:01.10 | tonsofpcs | [no /bin/sh] |
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| 07:02.41 | tonsofpcs | any ideas dondelelcaro? |
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| 07:02.50 | docta_v | i have a question about role accounts on systems |
| 07:02.58 | MTecknology | How can I see my computer specs? |
| 07:03.12 | tonsofpcs | i have the iso on /dev/hda3 now, /dev/hda1 is target |
| 07:03.14 | tonsofpcs | MTecknology - like? |
| 07:03.20 | docta_v | if i have users logging directly into systems as a "dba" account or "admin" account...how can i track which user is responsible for which actions? |
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| 07:03.28 | liable | sarge cd uses devfs |
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| 07:03.59 | MTecknology | tonsofpcs, processor MHz |
| 07:04.06 | MTecknology | GHz* |
| 07:04.19 | tonsofpcs | MTecknology - sometimes it's in your uname line [uname -a] |
| 07:04.33 | cahoot | MTecknology: cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 07:05.03 | MTecknology | thanks |
| 07:05.43 | bengrubb | hey, anyone here used cacti before? |
| 07:06.04 | tonsofpcs | no |
| 07:06.13 | bengrubb | or naigos. |
| 07:06.19 | bengrubb | nagois* |
| 07:06.30 | tonsofpcs | not here |
| 07:06.35 | bengrubb | sorry nagios |
| 07:06.43 | tonsofpcs | so any clues for what i should do? |
| 07:07.10 | yang | bengrubb: i am using cacti |
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| 07:07.53 | bengrubb | yang: cool, you might know a question i have, have you successfully graphed bandwidth with the template that comes with it |
| 07:08.08 | yang | bengrubb: yes |
| 07:08.32 | bengrubb | yang: Did you have to tweak it? as mine just doesnt show it at all it just doesn't create an image |
| 07:08.35 | yang | bengrubb: you need to choose snmp graphing, Interface |
| 07:08.49 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro went to sleep? |
| 07:08.52 | bengrubb | yang: would that be why its not graphing? |
| 07:09.02 | yang | bengrubb: most probably becouse you dont have snmpd enabled on port 161 ? |
| 07:09.26 | bengrubb | yang: so how do i do this is it on the cacti server or the client end |
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| 07:10.11 | yang | bengrubb: apt-get install snmpd then tune in snmpd.conf |
| 07:10.25 | ktwilight | docta_v, i think sudo can help you on that though not entirely sure. :/ |
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| 07:11.17 | bengrubb | yang: no i didnt have it installed |
| 07:11.21 | bengrubb | installing now |
| 07:11.23 | yang | bengrubb: dont forget to add this line - agentaddress udp:161,udp6:161 |
| 07:11.39 | bengrubb | yang: where is the snmpd.conf located |
| 07:11.46 | bengrubb | in netwokrking? |
| 07:11.52 | yang | in /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf |
| 07:12.05 | MTecknology | Can I get an opinion? How bad is it to run a debian distro using gnome on a 530MHz processor with 768Mb RAM?? |
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| 07:12.28 | yang | MTecknology: its totally satisfiying |
| 07:12.29 | smax | hello gang |
| 07:12.31 | tonsofpcs | I'm about to be running it on a P2/400 |
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| 07:12.37 | yang | hi smax |
| 07:12.43 | cahoot | MTecknology: depends on your patience |
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| 07:12.58 | MTecknology | should it still be high performance? |
| 07:12.59 | bengrubb | sorry yang tripped over the blue cable hehe |
| 07:13.07 | smax | every now and then, my debian box freezes, cant type anything on the key board. and host not reachable via ping. |
| 07:13.11 | smax | what logs can i check? |
| 07:13.13 | bengrubb | i didnt get what you last said i dont think |
| 07:13.19 | yang | bengrubb: : in /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf |
| 07:13.31 | bengrubb | and i lost the line that i had to tweak |
| 07:13.41 | yang | smax: it is probably Xorg freezing |
| 07:13.47 | smax | i dont have X |
| 07:13.59 | smax | just the default settings with debainn |
| 07:14.15 | yang | smax: kernel panic then |
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| 07:14.34 | smax | ahh |
| 07:14.37 | bengrubb | yang: Do i have to tweak snmpd.conf |
| 07:14.40 | yang | smax: is it a very old machine? |
| 07:14.46 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: actually, I forgot that the cdroms have been changed quite a bit; I don't remember how to do it manually using them anymore without actually booting from them |
| 07:14.50 | yang | bengrubb: dont forget to add this line - agentaddress udp:161,udp6:161 |
| 07:14.54 | smax | yang, not that old, like mabey 4 years tops |
| 07:14.59 | smax | it has a pentium 3 |
| 07:15.02 | bengrubb | ty yang |
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| 07:15.17 | cahoot | smax: start by checking dmesg |
| 07:15.20 | tonsofpcs | is there a way i can have the currently loaded distro load up the initrd off the cd? |
| 07:15.31 | smax | thanx |
| 07:15.42 | cahoot | smax: just type 'dmesg' |
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| 07:15.50 | smax | oh ok |
| 07:15.54 | smax | its a command |
| 07:16.12 | voltagex_ | hi, I'm trying to set up a mail server on my local box... I can't seem to find an up to date/debian-centric howto. Any ideas? |
| 07:16.18 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: you can mount it; but it's a real PITA to do much else |
| 07:16.19 | bengrubb | so just "agentaddress udp:161,udp6:161" to the bottom is ok? |
| 07:16.35 | smax | well i rebooted, obviously. hence i the keyboard freezes. will past messages still exist? |
| 07:17.00 | yang | bengrubb: well try |
| 07:17.02 | cahoot | smax: might be present in /var/log/syslog |
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| 07:17.23 | bengrubb | yang ok ty ill restart it anyway |
| 07:17.28 | yang | bengrubb: try it with netstat -an | grep 161 if you will see it binding |
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| 07:17.49 | cahoot | smax: or /ver/log/debug |
| 07:17.57 | yang | bengrubb: otherwise run it with snmpd -C -c /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf |
| 07:18.31 | yang | bengrubb: and enable "devices" in cacti interface |
| 07:18.47 | bengrubb | in the web interface |
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| 07:22.11 | bengrubb | yang: |
| 07:22.12 | bengrubb | debian:~# netstat -an | grep 161 |
| 07:22.12 | bengrubb | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:161 0.0.0.0:* |
| 07:22.12 | bengrubb | udp6 0 0 :::161 :::* |
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| 07:22.22 | bengrubb | sorry guys |
| 07:22.24 | sid | I have 1500 files, what's an easy way to just list these files on a website. And allow people to search them. |
| 07:22.38 | bengrubb | i thought 4 lines was safe |
| 07:22.39 | yang | bengrubb: now you should see graphs |
| 07:22.40 | Gnea | !paster |
| 07:22.40 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
| 07:22.43 | Gnea | c'mon guys |
| 07:22.50 | bengrubb | ok cool i shall check |
| 07:22.59 | llvllatrix | I seem to have fixed my font problems when updating from X69 to X7. Would it be appropriate to update http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 with my fix? |
| 07:23.27 | Gnea | yang: seems the psu for the laptop went mia, still looking for it :/ |
| 07:23.30 | bengrubb | dpkg: yes i am very sorry |
| 07:23.45 | Gnea | bengrubb: dpkg is a bot, it doesn't care |
| 07:23.47 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:23.50 | bengrubb | hehe |
| 07:23.56 | smax | here's my dmesg. what do i look for? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/cwhrkE72.html |
| 07:23.58 | bengrubb | i thought it talked though |
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| 07:24.07 | bengrubb | as i had a real conversation with it |
| 07:24.11 | dazjorz | bengrubb: that's what most bots are for |
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| 07:24.23 | yang | Gnea: laptop or proliant? |
| 07:24.23 | Gnea | what crack were you smoking and where can i get some? :P |
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| 07:24.35 | Gnea | yang: laptop, so i can fix the proliant |
| 07:24.38 | dazjorz | bengrubb: talking like they are human |
| 07:24.57 | yang | Gnea: oh well, sometime untill christmass we can boot it :)) |
| 07:25.01 | Gnea | yang: i can get the proliant to boot the cd just fine, but there's also a mouse driver issue |
| 07:25.01 | smax | dmesg is boot up messages. i rebooted my pc, since my keyboard was not responding to dmesg |
| 07:25.19 | bengrubb | yang: no graphs yet maybe i should wait 5 minutes |
| 07:25.24 | Gnea | yang: it's some kinda crazy windows-live-cd thing that hp made.. lol |
| 07:25.26 | smax | hell the whole system froze, not just the keyboard. (i couldnt ping or ssh to it) |
| 07:25.43 | yang | Gnea: it would be cool if only floppie images would exist, since i dont have CD drive there... |
| 07:26.03 | yang | bengrubb: check "devices" section, you must enable them |
| 07:26.19 | Gnea | yang: they're a dime a dozen these days, shouldn't be too difficult |
| 07:26.21 | bengrubb | yang: is that in the web interface? |
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| 07:26.37 | yang | bengrubb: yes in the "console" section |
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| 07:26.58 | Gnea | yang: the main problem is time :) |
| 07:27.08 | Gnea | i just cleaned earlier and was looking for it, no dice yet |
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| 07:27.30 | bengrubb | yang: in devices in console i have added the ip i am graphing it has snmp on so anything i need to change in there |
| 07:27.30 | ktwilight | smax, ya should look into what processes are running during that time. maybe some script/app is killin' your box |
| 07:27.49 | smax | hmm |
| 07:27.53 | smax | that would be tuff |
| 07:27.55 | smax | this sucks |
| 07:28.00 | ktwilight | after you do a hard reboot, what happens? |
| 07:28.12 | smax | it fine after reboot |
| 07:28.15 | bengrubb | ok enable |
| 07:28.19 | bengrubb | oh* |
| 07:28.21 | ktwilight | how long till it goes bust? |
| 07:28.22 | smax | but tomorrow morining, it'll crash again |
| 07:28.28 | yang | Gnea: could you suggest me the right drivers from compaq there are a bunch of them to download... |
| 07:28.30 | ktwilight | hmm...check your cron then |
| 07:28.36 | bengrubb | ok i enabled them |
| 07:28.36 | smax | any were from 24 to 3 days |
| 07:28.38 | ktwilight | cron is probably stuck somewhere |
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| 07:28.45 | smax | 24 hours that is |
| 07:28.48 | smax | till a crash |
| 07:28.55 | Gnea | yang: well did you get that ISO? |
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| 07:29.11 | kapil | smax: hard disk failure? |
| 07:29.20 | Gnea | yang: because that has everything you'll need to configure the bios settings |
| 07:29.23 | ktwilight | i had a similar problem before :/ but can't remember what the prob was though. it had something to do with internet and cron. |
| 07:29.24 | yang | http://h18023.www1.hp.com/support/files/server/us/download/22678.html <-- smartstart cd image iso |
| 07:29.32 | Gnea | yeah, that's the one |
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| 07:29.36 | yang | I told you i am without CD |
| 07:29.48 | Gnea | but you also said you could get a CD |
| 07:29.58 | yang | yes, i could take it out of sparc... |
| 07:30.11 | Gnea | give it a shot |
| 07:30.13 | Gnea | got a working mouse? |
| 07:30.18 | yang | but if there are also floppies i would try those |
| 07:30.26 | brammator | point me to something like debian-compatible-sata-controllers list, please |
| 07:30.30 | bengrubb | yang: Do you think i should wait 5 mins for it to graph as it still istn graphing |
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| 07:30.44 | yang | yeah, i even got the "compaq" mouse which i got with the server:) |
| 07:30.51 | Gnea | yang: the floppies are for backup purposes only, it seems - everything is controlled via the cd |
| 07:31.04 | yang | bengrubb: yes, it doesnt graph at once, you need to wait some time |
| 07:31.20 | yang | Gnea: ok i will try it then |
| 07:31.25 | Gnea | i think i have a spare mouse somewhere... lemme try to hook it up and see what happens |
| 07:31.43 | Gnea | but i need sleep soon |
| 07:32.00 | bengrubb | yang: ok i shall play the waiting game |
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| 07:32.33 | yang | bengrubb: otherwise there is help in #cacti (they rarely answer) and #rrdtool on ircnet |
| 07:32.46 | bengrubb | yer i visited cacti |
| 07:32.47 | smax | if im root on the master drive. that doesent necessarily give me root privilages to a slave drive does it? |
| 07:32.53 | bengrubb | still waiting for an answer |
| 07:33.02 | bengrubb | but yer i think you answered it if it works.. |
| 07:33.57 | ktwilight | smax, if ya root, ya get priviledges to everything |
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| 07:34.28 | smax | great. looks like i got me a sparc box |
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| 07:34.35 | smax | i'll just check out /etc/passwd |
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| 07:35.14 | yang | bengrubb: you can check in the graph settings if it shows you up in the left corner SNMP server info , it must not display SNMP error |
| 07:36.33 | bengrubb | i go in devices and the remote computers ip and it shows me no errors |
| 07:36.40 | bengrubb | it has always shown no errors |
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| 07:37.18 | bengrubb | hmm still no graph |
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| 07:39.33 | bengrubb | yang: i can get normal traffic of the NIC card .. |
| 07:39.59 | yang | bengrubb: go to "devices" then click down on a link of the device |
| 07:40.13 | yang | you should see info in the upper left corner about your server |
| 07:40.37 | yang | for ethernet you should enable SNMP - interface statistics |
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| 07:42.01 | bengrubb | i have enabled snmp on a windows machine (shun windows) this should work right? |
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| 07:42.47 | bengrubb | though there is an snmp error for localhost (being the cacti server) |
| 07:42.55 | yang | bengrubb: optionally you could load this config http://haas.oezie.org/~erik/snmpd.conf |
| 07:43.11 | bengrubb | so im guessing that snmp isnt on on the server but it is still collecting other data |
| 07:43.40 | bengrubb | ok ill try that config |
| 07:43.40 | yang | bengrubb: well the infos are for linux, i dont know how snmp on windows work |
| 07:43.52 | bengrubb | yer |
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| 07:48.34 | bengrubb | yang: on localhost (the cacti server) it does say snmp error |
| 07:48.56 | bengrubb | "SNMP not in use " |
| 07:49.05 | dn4 | http://pastebin.com/761901 <-- any ideas? |
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| 07:49.08 | yang | then you have to fix that |
| 07:49.11 | bengrubb | but on the remote machine its ok |
| 07:49.21 | bengrubb | so i should enable snmp on the server |
| 07:49.38 | bengrubb | even though its still collecting data somehow |
| 07:49.49 | yang | bengrubb: you need to enable snmpd on the machine where cacti is running |
| 07:50.22 | bengrubb | wasnt it already installed with cacti though> |
| 07:50.23 | bengrubb | ? |
| 07:50.32 | yang | i think not |
| 07:50.43 | bengrubb | strange |
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| 07:52.05 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:54.13 | bengrubb | yang: is it "/etc/init.d/snmpd |
| 07:54.20 | bengrubb | restart"? |
| 07:54.26 | bengrubb | or do i actually have to enable it |
| 07:55.24 | iKernel | I booted without my mouse in the PS2 port. I plugged the mouse in when Xorg started, but I still cannot use the mouse cursor. I was able to start up xchat using xinit $(which xchat) -- :1 |
| 07:55.39 | iKernel | Could one of you people help me with my problem? |
| 07:55.48 | bengrubb | just ask it |
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| 07:55.51 | yang | bengrubb: i dont know if init.d script reads /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf |
| 07:56.03 | yang | bengrubb: just start it manually in that case |
| 07:56.32 | debfan | after the update of Etch from Xorg6 to Xorg7 it cant find the nvidia module anymore. can somebody provide info on how to fix that? |
| 07:56.46 | bengrubb | so dont use init.d use what? |
| 07:57.32 | dn4 | if I did make, make install, how do I remove that program now? |
| 07:57.55 | ktwilight | debfan, http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 07:58.18 | ktwilight | you have to reinstall it again debfan. |
| 07:58.25 | streuner | iKernel: did you try mdetect? |
| 07:58.36 | ktwilight | dn4, manually remove it afaik :/ |
| 07:58.39 | iKernel | streuner, I have not heard of that program. I will try it now. |
| 07:58.43 | dn4 | afaik? |
| 07:58.43 | DimmuR | Hi I'm searching for info how to setup network printer on debian sarge |
| 07:58.58 | ktwilight | as far as i know |
| 07:59.06 | streuner | iKernel: check out /var/log/Xorg.log too |
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| 07:59.38 | ktwilight | DimmuR tried wiki.debian.org or debian-administration.org are good starters |
| 07:59.42 | yang | bengrubb: as i told you snmpd -C -c /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf |
| 07:59.43 | iKernel | streuner, mdetect did not solve my problem. I will have a look at the Xorg log now. |
| 07:59.53 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.59 | cahoot | DimmuR: http://linuxprinting.org/till/printing-tutorial/tut.html |
| 08:00.06 | ChrisW | what's the "delete user" equivalent of "useradd"? |
| 08:00.08 | DimmuR | ktwilight, cahoot : thx going there |
| 08:00.15 | streuner | ChrisW: userdel |
| 08:00.20 | bengrubb | yang: How do i enable snmp on the cacti server |
| 08:00.38 | ChrisW | thanks! |
| 08:00.57 | debfan | ah, cool link. thanks a lot ktwilight |
| 08:01.01 | iKernel | streuner, There are no errors regarding the mouse. |
| 08:01.22 | ktwilight | np |
| 08:01.27 | streuner | iKernel: do you start X via 'startx'? |
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| 08:01.35 | bengrubb | or anyone, how do i enable snmp on deb? |
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| 08:02.18 | streuner | iKernel: or via xdm, kdm, gdm? |
| 08:02.22 | caskey | Is there any way to get debconf to just forget everything it (thinks) it knows about a package's config? |
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| 08:02.28 | iKernel | streuner, One moment... |
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| 08:05.19 | iKernel | streuner, None of those worked |
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| 08:05.32 | iKernel | I will try man mdetect. |
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| 08:06.27 | streuner | iKernel: can you paste the whole log file of X in paster bot? |
| 08:06.29 | streuner | !paste |
| 08:06.29 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 08:07.04 | iKernel | streuner, Ok. |
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| 08:10.57 | iKernel | streuner, One moment, curl might help me. |
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| 08:11.25 | streuner | iKernel: what kind of mouse do you have, btw? |
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| 08:11.59 | iKernel | streuner, It's a PS2 optical mouse. I do not wish to check details more closely for fear of damaging my eyes. |
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| 08:12.36 | streuner | iKernel: using adapter to connect to mobo? |
| 08:13.14 | fireba11 | hi .. while trying to update to latest psotgresql in stable i got a dkpg error .. didn't give any detials though .. how to find out what exactly is wrong ? |
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| 08:13.41 | fireba11 | it just says dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 08:14.00 | streuner | fireba11: fix your sources.list |
| 08:14.30 | iKernel | streuner, No. |
| 08:14.45 | fireba11 | nothing wrong with it |
| 08:15.03 | fireba11 | was a typo .. i was trying to apt-get upgrade of course |
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| 08:15.09 | streuner | !drxx iKernel |
| 08:15.10 | dpkg | iKernel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:15.13 | iKernel | streuner, This mouse has no problems, it works with my system correctly, a reboot would fix the problem. However, I am un willing to reboot. |
| 08:15.40 | iKernel | !xmd5 |
| 08:15.40 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 08:15.43 | streuner | iKernel: you don't need to reboot, that's NOT windows :-) |
| 08:15.56 | iKernel | streuner, Exactly. |
| 08:16.38 | bengrubb | mm does it know: |
| 08:16.42 | bengrubb | ! 1+ 1 |
| 08:16.42 | dpkg | 2 |
| 08:16.45 | bengrubb | ooo |
| 08:17.02 | streuner | iKernel: ok, just use the command above and choose /dev/psaux |
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| 08:17.11 | streuner | iKernel: just modprobe mousedev |
| 08:17.13 | bengrubb | ! pie |
| 08:17.14 | dpkg | i heard pie is NOT a mathematical term. It's a food. or about 8.539734222677. |
| 08:17.51 | peterS | haha |
| 08:17.53 | dn4 | ! gnome |
| 08:17.53 | dpkg | [gnome] a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 08:18.02 | peterS | 8.539734, I like it |
| 08:18.05 | bengrubb | hehe |
| 08:18.13 | peterS | (that's pi * e) |
| 08:18.18 | bengrubb | i think it hates lol |
| 08:18.23 | bengrubb | the term lol |
| 08:18.29 | bengrubb | ! lol |
| 08:18.29 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 08:18.41 | bengrubb | i like that one to |
| 08:18.46 | fireba11 | while updating potgresql dpgk encountered an error while trying to configure postgresql ... how to find out what exactly is wrong so i can fix it ? |
| 08:19.01 | streuner | iKernel: use as protocol "ImPS/2" |
| 08:19.12 | iKernel | streuner, I use /dev/input/mice. Btw, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works fine for me. It backs up the "possibly hand-written file" |
| 08:19.14 | fireba11 | dpkg even |
| 08:19.15 | dpkg | odd |
| 08:19.32 | streuner | iKernel: ok, in this case mousedev isn't loaded |
| 08:19.34 | bengrubb | ! opposite |
| 08:19.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, opposite is the right way to do things in redhat |
| 08:19.41 | bengrubb | hehe |
| 08:19.52 | cahoot | how come xorg install defaults to ImPS/2 instead of ExplorerPS/2? |
| 08:20.05 | streuner | iKernel: if you don't want mousedev just edit the config file that it uses /dev/psaux instead. |
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| 08:20.39 | streuner | cahoot: its the common protocol for PS/2 which is pretty standard |
| 08:21.09 | bengrubb | ! monkey |
| 08:21.10 | dpkg | monkey = power To The tune of the Micky Mouse song: o/~ M-O-N-K-E-Y S-P-A-N-K o/~ |
| 08:21.17 | cahoot | streuner: since kernel 2.6 I got the impression ExplorerPS/2 was default |
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| 08:22.27 | fireba11 | streuner got any ideas how to fix that ? |
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| 08:22.59 | streuner | fireba11: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:23.25 | fireba11 | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 08:23.45 | Tygrys | hi |
| 08:23.58 | streuner | fireba11: well, you don't run sarge/stable anymore |
| 08:24.11 | fireba11 | streuner crap |
| 08:24.12 | cat | i wonder if gnome 2.14 is in debian already |
| 08:24.27 | streuner | fireba11: show us your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 08:24.44 | streuner | cat: /msg dpkg info gnome-session |
| 08:24.49 | cahoot | streuner: according to the kernel developer: Make sure the mouse protocol is set to "ExplorerPS/2", as that is what the |
| 08:24.49 | cahoot | 2.6 kernel exports to applications regardless of the real mouse type. |
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| 08:25.27 | fireba11 | streuner: sources had unstable on that box when i started working here half a year ago ... it was sarge though, so i fixed soruces.list to stable ... |
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| 08:26.03 | streuner | fireba11: (too late) :-/ |
| 08:26.10 | dondelelcaro | cahoot: you'll have better luck with ImPS/2 |
| 08:26.36 | fireba11 | streuner i think the guy only installed one package from ustable but i gess there were some libraries replaced as well |
| 08:26.53 | cahoot | dondelelcaro: I just wondered why the revert (if that's what it is) |
| 08:27.03 | streuner | fireba11: libc6 is the most important part of everything... |
| 08:27.09 | fireba11 | streuner you know any way to fix that without reinstalling that box ? |
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| 08:27.29 | streuner | fireba11: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 08:27.58 | iKernel | Still not working. Also, I feel noobish at doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:27.59 | fireba11 | streuner: i knwo there is no out-of-the box way ... |
| 08:28.18 | fireba11 | streuner 99% should still be from stable tree though |
| 08:28.55 | fireba11 | streuner: because security updates from stable worked fine for half a year .. ^^ |
| 08:29.06 | iKernel | It'd be cool if you could use the numpad as a mouse... |
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| 08:29.43 | fireba11 | NinjaCapybara: of course |
| 08:30.25 | NinjaCapybara | Where should I start looking for that simple way? :) |
| 08:30.33 | iKernel | NinjaCapybara, Like back in the old days, before I was born? |
| 08:30.35 | fireba11 | NinjaCapybara: .bashrc colour settings |
| 08:30.40 | dondelelcaro | NinjaCapybara: man setterm; for details |
| 08:30.53 | dondelelcaro | ugh. .bashrc is not the place to set it |
| 08:31.06 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: okay .. sorry .. |
| 08:31.11 | dondelelcaro | youc an do it that way by mucking about with PS1, but it's not ideal |
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| 08:31.29 | NinjaCapybara | ace - thanks |
| 08:31.33 | NinjaCapybara | iKernel: yeah =) |
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| 08:32.10 | iKernel | NinjaCapybara, Unfortuneatly, you won't be able to make the text glow. At least, not as far as I know. |
| 08:32.46 | dondelelcaro | if you really want that, you can use X with phosphor |
| 08:32.50 | NinjaCapybara | apart from reminiscing, the monitor is an ancient 13" trinitron with a dud red gun that flickers in and out. It'd be nice to have it a little less maddening =) |
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| 08:33.09 | dn4 | http://pastebin.com/761929 <-- issues with apt-get installing reportbug and my sources.list are unstable any ideas? |
| 08:33.21 | dondelelcaro | dn4: see #370600 |
| 08:33.37 | dn4 | ! #370600 |
| 08:33.44 | dn4 | dondelelcaro, how do I do that? |
| 08:33.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell dn4 -about bts |
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| 08:36.08 | fireba11 | streuner: so no way to get libc6 to stable without breaking everything ? |
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| 08:36.12 | cds | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/9cds/sshot2.png |
| 08:36.15 | cds | Anyone know how to fix this "huge font" problem? |
| 08:36.16 | Agrajag- | gday, im on testing having trouble doing a dist-uprade - x11-common problems (i think). i've read http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 but still not sure what i should do to fix this: http://pastebin.com/761931 (the first part is the result of a dist-upgrade, 2nd part apt-get install x11-common) |
| 08:36.26 | dn4 | dondelelcaro, how long does this problem normally last? |
| 08:36.40 | iKernel | NinjaCapybara, You got it yet? |
| 08:36.49 | dondelelcaro | dn4: it's already been fixed; you can either downgrade or wait for the next archive pulse. |
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| 08:37.12 | dn4 | dondelelcaro, how do I do a full upgrade with out upgrading reportbug? |
| 08:37.29 | dondelelcaro | dn4: use aptitude |
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| 08:37.34 | coywolf | what's the variable for the last process returned value? |
| 08:37.37 | dondelelcaro | or hold reportbug |
| 08:37.40 | dondelelcaro | coywolf: $? |
| 08:38.10 | mwe | is it safe to remove broken symlinks like '/usr/share/locale/pt/LC_TIME/coreutils.mo -> ../LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo' ? |
| 08:38.49 | dondelelcaro | mwe: localegen should remove those for you |
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| 08:40.04 | ktwilight | Agrajag-, i would think apt-get -f install would do well... |
| 08:40.08 | Dewi | My machine has no monitor, nor xserver. However is it possible to pull video from a HDTV card and relay it on to other network hosts? |
| 08:40.10 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: maybe you can help me here ... some stupid $%!%$ installed a package from unstable on my stable box ... luckily it didn't horribly break it but i got a newer libc6 then i should have ... is there a way to fix that without breaking the system ? |
| 08:40.12 | dn4 | dondelelcaro, how do you hold reportbug? |
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| 08:40.29 | wahjava | hi channel |
| 08:40.33 | ktwilight | Agrajag-, "E: Unmet dependencies. Try ‘apt-get -f install’ with no packages (or specify a solution)." |
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| 08:40.53 | iKernel | wahjava, hello |
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| 08:41.00 | iKernel | wahjava, you having a java problem? |
| 08:41.07 | streuner | dn4: /msg dpkg hold |
| 08:41.09 | wahjava | iKernel: no, I want to try kFreeBSD |
| 08:41.12 | wahjava | iKernel: hi |
| 08:41.38 | iKernel | wahjava, go get it then |
| 08:41.54 | wahjava | iKernel: Can you tell me is kFreeBSD supported in Debian, like availability of packages |
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| 08:42.17 | man_in_shack | does anyone here use xfce4? |
| 08:42.23 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: you need to reinstall the proper version of libc6 and remove that package. |
| 08:42.25 | iKernel | man_in_shack, me |
| 08:42.25 | mc__|away | wahjava, yes but there are not many packages |
| 08:42.28 | mc__|away | man_in_shack, i do |
| 08:42.37 | man_in_shack | :) |
| 08:42.38 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: then shoot whoever installed unstable packages and/or remove their access to the system. |
| 08:42.47 | man_in_shack | anyone know the xfce4 package maintainer/s? :) |
| 08:42.48 | wahjava | mc__|away: you mean not as big as FreeBSD ports, hmmm... |
| 08:42.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell dn4 -about hold |
| 08:42.57 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro the guy isn't working here anymore .. ^^ |
| 08:42.59 | ktwilight | man_in_shack, #debian-xfce :) |
| 08:43.08 | iKernel | wahjava, You're not making sense, FreeBSD is a totally different distribution. I'm guessing kFreeBSD is FreeBSD with kde... |
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| 08:43.20 | man_in_shack | ktwilight, thanks |
| 08:43.22 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro okay .. willt ry to reinstall it and hope there are not mroe packages based on it isntalled |
| 08:43.28 | ktwilight | np |
| 08:43.29 | wahjava | iKernel: kFreeBSD is Debian distribution with FreeBSD kernel |
| 08:43.33 | dondelelcaro | iKernel: no, it's the FreeBSD kernel with GNU libc and gnu userland |
| 08:43.48 | iKernel | wow, sounds like fun |
| 08:44.09 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: the best way to do this is to use aptitude, because it'll help you get all the broken packages set up properly. |
| 08:44.18 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: it'll also tell you what is broken before you break it. |
| 08:44.22 | wahjava | So, Is kFreeBSD repository is not big as FreeBSD ports ?? |
| 08:44.38 | dondelelcaro | wahjava: I don't know; it depends how much of it they've built so far |
| 08:44.45 | wahjava | iKernel: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 08:44.45 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro thanks, having a look |
| 08:44.49 | dondelelcaro | wahjava: it can conceivably have all of the packages that are currently in Debian. |
| 08:45.07 | dondelelcaro | (IE, exceed the size of the ports system) |
| 08:45.18 | wahjava | dondelelcaro: or is it possible to debianize an existing FreeBSD installation |
| 08:45.40 | dondelelcaro | wahjava: not trivially no, because the libc6 is totally different. |
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| 08:46.20 | iKernel | A thought: Basically, kFreeBSD is not linux. Since Linux is basically GNU with a different kernel, and kFreeBSD is basically GNU with a different kernel, the two are quite different... |
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| 08:46.30 | wahjava | dondelelcaro: okay, so will that means kFreeBSD runs with Linux ABI, ?? |
| 08:46.35 | dn4 | dondelelcaro, any idea when the next apt-get wave comes to fix the reportbug problem? |
| 08:46.37 | dondelelcaro | wahjava: no. |
| 08:46.46 | dondelelcaro | dn4: sometime tomorrow |
| 08:46.59 | wahjava | dondelelcaro: ok so just a different C runtime, that's it... ?? |
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| 08:47.13 | Serial | Hi all |
| 08:47.20 | dondelelcaro | wahjava: the userland is totally different as well. |
| 08:47.31 | wahjava | Serial: hi |
| 08:47.36 | dondelelcaro | wahjava: they're both POSIX to some extent, but that only covers a small part of the OS. |
| 08:47.40 | Serial | wahjava: :) |
| 08:47.45 | Serial | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 08:47.46 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro hm .. can you give me soem details ? i'm not used to aptitude |
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| 08:48.45 | thirst | hi guys! |
| 08:48.51 | iKernel | stuff it, I'm rebooting |
| 08:48.58 | wahjava | thirst: hi |
| 08:48.58 | thirst | i have the same problem described here http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/5/11/150 -- any solution to this. |
| 08:49.03 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: first fix your sources.list; then run aptitude; then / libc6; find the right libc6 version; hit + to install it. then / ~b to find all the broken packages. Fix them by downgrading them. Repeat. Remove stupid packages by using -. press g when there are no broken packages. press g again to run the install. |
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| 08:49.07 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:50.12 | _niels | Hi there! |
| 08:50.35 | bengrubb | How do i enable snmp on debian? |
| 08:50.44 | _niels | how come that the whole kde develoment environment disappeared after I updated from 3.3 -> 3.52? |
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| 08:50.57 | bengrubb | it installed does that mean it should be enabled automatically? |
| 08:51.18 | dondelelcaro | bengrubb: snmpd is different from snmp userland tools |
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| 08:52.01 | bengrubb | oh yes ... i installed snmpd.. |
| 08:52.11 | bengrubb | so is that enables automatically? |
| 08:52.17 | dondelelcaro | bengrubb: then it is enabled automatically, yes. |
| 08:52.33 | bengrubb | hmm i have snmp errors .. |
| 08:52.36 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, it typically is; run /etc/init.d/snmpd start;) |
| 08:53.04 | bengrubb | yer |
| 08:53.12 | bengrubb | i think i tried hmm try again |
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| 08:53.20 | bengrubb | i was thinking of something this: |
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| 08:53.24 | bengrubb | 1 snmpd |
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| 08:53.31 | bengrubb | ! snmpd |
| 08:53.31 | dpkg | methinks snmpd is Simple Network Management Protocol Daemon. you need to edit /etc/snmpd/snmpd.conf "access MyROSystem "" any noauth exact system none none", change 'system' under read to 'all' to get mrtg working. |
| 08:53.43 | bengrubb | i am using cacti whihch uses mrtg |
| 08:54.13 | thirst | i cannot mount any partition on my secondary disk, i keep getting this error "mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /second busy" this doesnt happen with 2.4 kernels, only to do with 2.6 kernels when dmcrypt is compiled in |
| 08:54.23 | _niels | hmmm...?no one has got an idea what has happened to my kde? |
| 08:54.32 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot .. i hope that works :-) |
| 08:54.54 | Bazy | Hello, I'm trying to get rid of exim4 packages "aptitude purge exim4-base exim4-config" and aptitute wants to remove mysql-server... I tryed with apt-get and with dpkg and still the same, how can I remove these packages without removeing mysql-server? |
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| 08:57.45 | _niels | okay...I post my quest once again, hoping to get an answer: |
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| 08:58.13 | iKernel | Reboot fixed (of course). |
| 08:58.14 | _niels | I updated KDE from bpo yesterday and since the kde development is gone |
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| 08:58.34 | iKernel | _niels, Update kdev development |
| 08:58.48 | iKernel | kde development, even |
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| 08:59.06 | _niels | iKernel: apt-get update && apt-get install kdev |
| 08:59.16 | _niels | iKernel: is that supposed to be right? |
| 08:59.20 | bengrubb | hmmm i dont have /etc/snmpd/snmpd.conf |
| 08:59.31 | iKernel | _niels, Dunno, I tend to stay away from KDE |
| 08:59.37 | bengrubb | though i do have /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf |
| 09:00.03 | _niels | iKernel: I'll give it a go - lets see what will happen... |
| 09:00.08 | MoDaX | _niels: do you want kdevelop ? |
| 09:00.19 | wahjava | dondelelcaro: sorry to bother you, but can I install FreeBSD packages also in kFreeBSD |
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| 09:00.49 | dondelelcaro | wahjava: if you do it in a chroot, yes. Otherwise no. |
| 09:00.56 | _niels | MoDaX: yep.... thats what i want |
| 09:01.13 | dondelelcaro | wahjava: there's really little reason to do so though, because you've got an entire Debian system working for you; there probably won't be any freebsd packages that you'd want. |
| 09:01.18 | MoDaX | _niels: install kdevelop3 then |
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| 09:01.30 | _niels | iKernel: apt-get update && apt-get install kdevelop3 |
| 09:01.41 | dondelelcaro | wahjava: that said, kFreeBSD is really still under development; if you want to run Debian, I'd suggest running sarge with one of the linux variants instead. |
| 09:01.42 | _niels | MoDaX: : apt-get update && apt-get install kdevelop3 |
| 09:01.57 | wahjava | dondelelcaro: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/installing.html#base says I also need FreeBSD installation discs |
| 09:01.57 | dondelelcaro | wahjava: however, if you want to contribute to the development, by all means go ahead. |
| 09:02.03 | MoDaX | _niels: yeah |
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| 09:02.37 | _niels | MoDaX: I've just done that, and now it tells me that there is nothing to do as the latest version is already installed |
| 09:02.52 | wahjava | dondelelcaro: I want to try it, but :-S |
| 09:03.16 | MoDaX | _niels: so you have it |
| 09:03.31 | dondelelcaro | wahjava: I'd guess that it's installing the freebsd kernel using that, but I really have no idea. |
| 09:03.38 | _niels | MoDaX: it seems to be so, but how come that its not in the menu anymore? |
| 09:03.54 | wahjava | dondelelcaro: 0K, no problem |
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| 09:04.46 | MoDaX | _niels: run kbuildsycoca |
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| 09:05.57 | _niels | MoDaX: it comes up with shitloads of warnings |
| 09:06.35 | MoDaX | _niels: it's ok. nothing to worry about |
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| 09:07.41 | _niels | MoDaX: okay...I was worried, but if you say there is no need to...;-) |
| 09:09.42 | Agrajag- | in testing nvidia-glx is apparently obsolete - what am i supposed to install to get the nvidia module? the one-liner uses nvidia-glx ? |
| 09:10.15 | _niels | MoDaX: its still not in the list |
| 09:10.15 | _niels | MoDaX: Thats kinda weird |
| 09:11.53 | _niels | Agrajag-: install the nvidia kernel source; then translate the nvidia modules; then install the nvidia kernel and then you have to install nvidia-glx |
| 09:12.23 | _niels | MoDaX: am i supposed to restart kde? |
| 09:13.06 | MoDaX | _niels: rm -rf ~/.config ~/.local (this will destroy local custumizations of menus) |
| 09:13.12 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: it worked as far as libc6 replacing ... but the postgresql that had probles still desn't install :-( |
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| 09:13.39 | _niels | MoDaX: and then...? |
| 09:14.02 | MoDaX | _niels: kdevelop3 might reappear... |
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| 09:14.34 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: well, that may be... you'll need to see what the issues are with it and fix them most likely. |
| 09:14.38 | Agrajag- | _niels: i dont get your last step - install nvidia-glx - how do i install that if it's not around anymore? |
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| 09:15.12 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: how can i find out what the real porblem is ? i only get a dpkg error about it when trying to install .... |
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| 09:15.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell fireba11 -about bat |
| 09:15.52 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: follow those instructions |
| 09:16.07 | dondelelcaro | (that'll give me enough information to at least get started to seeing where the problem is) |
| 09:16.22 | _niels | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 09:16.29 | tenzing_ | is there any issue regarding installing debian on a laptop with external usb cdrom drive..... |
| 09:16.36 | _niels | <pre wrap="">apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 09:16.37 | _niels | </pre> |
| 09:16.44 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: have a look at #flood |
| 09:16.57 | _niels | Agrajag-: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 09:17.22 | Agrajag- | _niels: i already have that |
| 09:17.34 | _niels | Agrajag-: module-assistant auto-install nvidia-kernel |
| 09:17.52 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: I think I see what the problem is, but please run it again with LANG=C dpkg --configure -a; |
| 09:17.59 | Agrajag- | _niels: already done.. |
| 09:18.08 | _niels | Agrajag-: ups... |
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| 09:18.29 | _niels | Agrajag-: which nvidia kernel have you installed |
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| 09:18.36 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: i pasted the output |
| 09:18.39 | cds | Why have my fonts got no anti-aliasing? |
| 09:18.48 | blondie | cos it's linux ;) |
| 09:18.58 | cds | Well, it only seems to do it in Debian. |
| 09:19.03 | Agrajag- | _niels: 8178-2 |
| 09:19.03 | cds | So it's some X thing, obviously. |
| 09:19.11 | cds | Every other distro doesn't do it. |
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| 09:19.15 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: right, edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql.postinst and add a set -x to the top |
| 09:20.03 | _niels | Agrajag-: I had 1.0.8762 and it works |
| 09:20.24 | _niels | I had to recompile my kernel too |
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| 09:20.39 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro there is a "set -e" .. so just put another line saying "set -x" there ? |
| 09:20.55 | Agrajag- | _niels: i have the nvidia module. modprobe nvidia works. but when i start X, it complains that the nvidia module cannot be found. |
| 09:20.59 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: right; what that's going to do is output every single line that gets executed in the postinst |
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| 09:21.08 | fireba11 | ah ... great :-) |
| 09:21.12 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: then run it again with LANG=C dpkg --configure --a; |
| 09:21.19 | _niels | Agrajag-: and I had to run make xconfig |
| 09:21.44 | _niels | Agrajag-: You don`t speak german, do you? |
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| 09:22.12 | Agrajag- | _niels: no |
| 09:22.25 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro .. hm .. too long for #flood ^^ |
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| 09:22.57 | _niels | Agrajag-: mate, I've got to go quickly to a meeting, post me a line and I'll get back to you with a description of what I did in detail |
| 09:23.02 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: use a paste site |
| 09:23.11 | _niels | Agrajag-: niels_jende@gi24.de |
| 09:23.14 | dondelelcaro | or do what you're doing |
| 09:23.23 | Agrajag- | _niels: it's ok.. i'll figure it out |
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| 09:23.51 | _niels | Agrajag-: if not, post me a line, okay |
| 09:23.53 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: mkdir /var/lib/postgresql; |
| 09:24.01 | Agrajag- | _niels: yeah, cheers |
| 09:24.21 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: argh .. the folder is named postgres for soem reason |
| 09:24.26 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: then chown postgres.postges postgresql; |
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| 09:24.40 | _niels | Agrajag-: cu |
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| 09:25.33 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: yeah, that's the old directory; it should have created the new one automatically on an upgrade |
| 09:25.57 | dondelelcaro | cds: you want to dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig; |
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| 09:26.11 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: hm-hm .. i wonder how that happened .. ah well .. maybe the guy did some more donto-that-please things |
| 09:26.41 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: i worked :-) |
| 09:27.04 | jonvon | when i do 'apt-get upgrade' i have 'packages that have been kept back'. what is meant by that? |
| 09:27.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell jonvon -about kept back |
| 09:27.43 | cds | dondelelcaro: Running... |
| 09:27.53 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: am copying my database over and trying to connect to it now .. anyway thanks a bunch :-) |
| 09:27.54 | thermite | !tell jonvon -about google it |
| 09:27.56 | thermite | ;) |
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| 09:28.04 | mafalda | gabyweb ! |
| 09:28.07 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: np |
| 09:28.38 | cds | dondelelcaro: Ok, that's better. |
| 09:28.44 | cds | dondelelcaro: They're still rather huge, though. |
| 09:28.52 | dondelelcaro | thermite: better to just give the factoids, as they've actually got the right information... google unforutnatly often returns a dizzying array of silly sites. |
| 09:29.25 | dondelelcaro | cds: did you set the dpi appropriately to 100dpi in your X configuration? |
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| 09:29.42 | cds | dondelelcaro: How do I do that? |
| 09:29.50 | cds | dondelelcaro: I've not seen it anywhere in the config. |
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| 09:29.54 | thermite | dondelelcaro: sounds about right |
| 09:29.59 | Agrajag- | so why might Xorg not be able to find the nvidia module when modprobe loads it fine? (this is after an upgrade on testing which installed xorg 7) |
| 09:31.02 | dondelelcaro | cds: it's typically set in your xserverrc; it's a command line option. |
| 09:31.17 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: X modules aren't kernel modules. |
| 09:31.48 | Agrajag- | dondelelcaro: ok - so there's no nvidia-glx anymore - any idea where/how to get the X nvidia module? |
| 09:31.52 | cds | dondelelcaro: Where's that? |
| 09:32.23 | dondelelcaro | cds: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc; if you're using gdm, you set it in /etc/gdm/Servers/... files. |
| 09:32.26 | ktwilight | Agrajag-, you would need to use nvidia installer, or get it from sid. |
| 09:32.29 | dondelelcaro | (or possibly gdm.conf) |
| 09:32.39 | cds | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
| 09:32.41 | dondelelcaro | in any event, localtime all. |
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| 09:32.57 | Agrajag- | ktwilight: ok, thanks |
| 09:32.58 | cds | dondelelcaro: Ok, it's already at 100 |
| 09:33.54 | ktwilight | np |
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| 09:36.33 | cds | I tihnk changing all the KDE font settings to 8pt did it as good as I can.. |
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| 09:37.47 | Bazy | Hello, I'm trying to get rid of exim4 packages "aptitude purge exim4-base exim4-config" and aptitute wants to remove mysql-server... I tryed with apt-get and with dpkg and still the same, how can I remove these packages without removeing mysql-server? |
| 09:38.15 | petemc | Bazy: you need something to provide a mail transport agent |
| 09:38.30 | ktwilight | btw, does anyone know where i can find out 'bout xorg's support on refresh rates for the monitor? |
| 09:38.32 | Bazy | petemc I will install sendmail after I remove exim |
| 09:38.38 | ktwilight | or is it graphics card dependent? |
| 09:38.42 | petemc | Bazy: install sendmail now, it will remove exim |
| 09:39.16 | petemc | provided you use the packaging system, that is |
| 09:39.17 | Bazy | petemc thank you men :-) |
| 09:39.32 | petemc | i am but one man ;) |
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| 09:41.29 | jonvon | how to find out which MTA my system is using? |
| 09:41.37 | petemc | telnet localhost 25 |
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| 09:42.56 | jonvon | it is Exin 4.61. |
| 09:43.16 | petemc | fantastic then |
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| 09:43.38 | jonvon | should i install Sendmail instead? |
| 09:43.39 | iKernel | Mine's Exim 4.50 |
| 09:44.08 | petemc | jonvon: why would you? |
| 09:44.14 | MoDaX | jonvon: what's wrong with exim? |
| 09:44.38 | jonvon | don't really know. how to determine which one to use? |
| 09:44.42 | Bazy | Exim is ok, but I don't know how to configure it... so I'm using sendmail then :-) |
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| 09:45.05 | jonvon | so, ease of config may be one reason. |
| 09:45.30 | petemc | if you dont know either, you'll find them both difficult |
| 09:45.45 | petemc | exim has a nice debconf front end for basic configurations |
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| 09:46.09 | jonvon | i have never use that. |
| 09:46.43 | jonvon | in fact, i have never config exim. it just works. |
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| 09:47.30 | jonvon | the important are the apps supported by either one. which has more? |
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| 09:48.13 | petemc | sendmail is fairly extensible via milter, exim has a very flexible acl system, which i prefer |
| 09:48.43 | petemc | as far as apps sending mail, theres no difference, really |
| 09:49.22 | Bazy | petemc I use qmail for my mail servers, but sendmail is on my home linuxbox |
| 09:49.45 | petemc | Bazy: you're living in the past ;) |
| 09:50.18 | Bazy | petemc I could be using postfix.... but I'm not :-) |
| 09:50.44 | petemc | i could fly to the moon, if i had a rocket |
| 09:50.53 | Bazy | :P |
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| 09:51.25 | jonvon | what's so great about flying to the moon, Mars is the in thing now. |
| 09:51.42 | petemc | cheese |
| 09:51.42 | thermite | Bazy: er, you should be using postfix? |
| 09:52.14 | iKernel | jonvon, Well, you get to go to a different place than Earth... |
| 09:52.47 | iKernel | petemc, Are you a qualified NASA shuttle piolt and a qualified NASA rocket engineer? |
| 09:53.02 | petemc | iKernel: no, it would be a very advanced rocket |
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| 09:53.23 | jonvon | at the end of my dist-upgrade, a window pops up with "Some users have reported that upon upgrade to the current package │ |
| 09:53.24 | jonvon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.26 | jonvon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.26 | Bazy | thermite I have ~2000 users on my qmail mail server, It's working like an old clock :-) never fails |
| 09:53.27 | jonvon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.29 | jonvon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:53.30 | jonvon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.35 | petemc | quit that |
| 09:53.45 | jonvon | ignore it? |
| 09:53.57 | petemc | dont paste shit in here |
| 09:54.18 | thermite | Bazy: good luck :) |
| 09:54.59 | dn4 | new error with jack, any ideas? |
| 09:55.00 | dn4 | http://pastebin.com/762010 |
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| 09:55.18 | jonvon | that is no shit, y shithead. |
| 09:55.31 | Bazy | thermite do you have a mail server with a lot of users? what are you using? |
| 09:55.51 | NaRaK | jonvon: still u shouldnt past, folllow dn4's example ;) |
| 09:56.06 | thermite | Bazy: not as many users, but postfix and courier |
| 09:56.21 | jonvon | Got another problem. "Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 09:56.23 | jonvon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.24 | jonvon | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)". |
| 09:56.42 | jonvon | is this critical? |
| 09:56.45 | dn4 | what is off if I do the command jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n2 -S in console it runs fine |
| 09:57.03 | Bazy | thermite great |
| 09:57.20 | thermite | Bazy: what? |
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| 09:57.44 | jonvon | what is mesa? |
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| 09:57.59 | Adam_eM | hi there |
| 09:57.59 | Bazy | thermite great mail server, to be honest... I didn't take the time to read about postfix :-) cause my qmail is working ok... |
| 09:58.01 | NaRaK | jonvon: hmm this looks very familair, u running etch and just did dist-upgrade? |
| 09:58.17 | jonvon | NaRaK: right on. |
| 09:58.20 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro it tried to access /var/lib/postgresql on installation but is still using /var/lib/postgres now ... wtf ? |
| 09:58.25 | MoDaX | jonvon: opengl implementation in software |
| 09:58.35 | Adam_eM | where can i find any libapt resources... i mean mainly documentation, specification etc |
| 09:58.52 | jonvon | NaRaK: any corrective action required? |
| 09:59.32 | thermite | Bazy: i think there are still open bugs in qmail |
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| 09:59.59 | jonvon | MoDaX: what do u make of the error msg? |
| 10:00.25 | jonvon | NaRaK: eh? |
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| 10:00.45 | MoDaX | jonvon: get the package from unstable or wait till a good one reaches testing |
| 10:01.02 | thermite | what's with #*-overflow? |
| 10:01.13 | MoDaX | jonvon: all remove it all together. do you really need -dev packages? |
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| 10:02.06 | jonvon | MoDaX: some apps, but maybe not 'mesa'. |
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| 10:03.26 | Adam_eM | would anyone help me ? |
| 10:03.32 | jonvon | i think i'll leave it as it is at the moment. |
| 10:03.38 | MoDaX | jonvon: so purge it. I think even purge & install (i.e. not upgrade) might help here |
| 10:03.41 | aidan | # debootstrap -arch i386 sid /var/sid-386-chroot http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 10:03.41 | aidan | /usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 209: .: /var/sid-386-chroot: is a directory |
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| 10:03.48 | shaibn | hi :) |
| 10:03.56 | aidan | I get that error following this tutorial, on the second instruction, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356 |
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| 10:05.19 | shaibn | i use a KVM to connect my two PCs to one screen USB mouse and keyboard. every time I switch to my linux box I get a 3 line notification in the console that the usb has been connected etc. etc. ... how can I suppress these messages to appear only in /var/log/messages and not in the console? |
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| 10:06.03 | shaibn | actually, they are 5 lines, not 3... |
| 10:06.20 | jonvon | MoDaX: it is not installed, so it is not removed. and also throw out a bunch of packages with unmet dependencies. |
| 10:06.48 | iKernel | I am trying to play this game called FlightGear with joysticks. The joysticks are dectected by the system, but they are not detected by flightgear. Annoying! I have tried running the js_demo program and tried running jscal on both joysticks. |
| 10:07.02 | iKernel | brb |
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| 10:14.26 | ricky_clarkson | Hello. |
| 10:14.36 | iKernel | back |
| 10:14.59 | ricky_clarkson | module-assistant prepare says: "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-1 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!" |
| 10:15.11 | dn4 | how do I get the svn command? |
| 10:15.18 | ricky_clarkson | uname -r is 2.6.16-1-686 |
| 10:15.22 | aidan | dn4: apt-get install svn |
| 10:15.26 | ricky_clarkson | dn4: install subversion. |
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| 10:17.44 | ricky_clarkson | I think my issue is related to the change from 'kernel-' to 'linux-'. |
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| 10:24.53 | aidan | How can I install a 32bit chroot in my 64bit system? |
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| 10:25.25 | iKernel | Murphey's law in linux some of the time: If it can go wrong, it will. |
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| 10:28.09 | iKernel | aidan, How can I install a 32bit chroot in my 64bit system? |
| 10:28.32 | iKernel | aw shit |
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| 10:31.18 | iKernel | What's the difference between a hard link and a soft link? |
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| 10:31.56 | Racer_D | hello |
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| 10:32.22 | Racer_D | has anyone succesfully enabled large file support for samba on sarge? |
| 10:32.32 | Racer_D | I don't even know where to start |
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| 10:34.22 | Myon | Racer_D: maybe the backport from backports.org has it enabled |
| 10:34.32 | iKernel | I love strace! |
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| 10:34.43 | Racer_D | I'm wondering is just -o lfs enough? |
| 10:34.53 | Racer_D | trying it as we speak.. |
| 10:35.41 | Racer_D | hm |
| 10:35.51 | Racer_D | I should probably see lfs with mount right? |
| 10:35.57 | Racer_D | it just says (rw) |
| 10:35.58 | iKernel | dunno |
| 10:36.06 | iKernel | rw means read/write |
| 10:36.10 | Racer_D | ya I know |
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| 10:38.19 | DimmuR | what compression format is best for data backup? (i used to use tar.gz but with it tar doesn't support verification) :< |
| 10:38.44 | iKernel | DimmuR, what do you mean by verification? |
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| 10:39.14 | dn4 | does anyone know how to remove jackd + all the dep? |
| 10:39.40 | Myon | Racer_D: the application has to be compiled with LFS support; the filesystems should already be ready |
| 10:39.45 | tenzing_ | can we install debian using an external usb cd-rom... help.. |
| 10:39.46 | Malagmyr | apt-get remove --purge |
| 10:39.48 | Malagmyr | deborphan |
| 10:39.53 | Racer_D | Myon: the smbmount? |
| 10:40.00 | DimmuR | iKernel: -W option in tar (verification after create) |
| 10:40.14 | Myon | Racer_D: ah... I thought you were talking about the server |
| 10:40.26 | Myon | dn4: or just aptitude |
| 10:40.29 | Racer_D | no I'm mounting a windows share |
| 10:40.43 | dn4 | aptitude is nasty and I don't like it |
| 10:40.45 | DimmuR | iKernel: i just need to compress data and make sure that archieve was created successfuly |
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| 10:41.40 | Malagmyr | dn4: then use what I said |
| 10:41.46 | iKernel | DimmuR, you can use the echo $? command. that is tar <options> <file>; echo $? |
| 10:42.14 | dn4 | Malagmyr, wiill do thank oyu :) |
| 10:42.21 | aidan | # debootstrap -arch i386 sarge ./i386-chroot http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 10:42.21 | aidan | /usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 209: .: ./i386-chroot: is a directory |
| 10:43.03 | DimmuR | iKernel: you mean: tar -v -P --create --gzip --file var.tar.gz --exclude=/var/log ? |
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| 10:43.28 | aidan | why the hell is debootstrap giving that error? Of course it's a directory!! debootstrap [OPTION]... SUITE TARGET [MIRROR] .... TARGET ... It's a directory!!! Ahhh. |
| 10:43.54 | DimmuR | iKernel: when i don't use --gzip option i just can use -W option to verify (build in tar) but it doesn't support gzipped archieves |
| 10:44.11 | iKernel | DimmuR, hmm try bzip2 |
| 10:45.28 | DimmuR | iKernel: nope tar just doesn't support this option for commpressed archives |
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| 10:45.55 | DimmuR | thats' why i asked for some better way to compress data and verify it after |
| 10:45.57 | iKernel | DimmuR, tar -v -P --create --gzip --file var.tar.gz --exclude=/var/log; echo $? |
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| 10:46.38 | iKernel | echo $? will give you the exit status of the program. Any number above 0 means an error occured |
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| 10:47.34 | ricky_clarkson | When I do module-assistant prepare, I get this warning: "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-1 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!", which seems wrong, because I have installed kernel-image-2.6.16-1 from backports. |
| 10:47.39 | ricky_clarkson | Any suggestions? |
| 10:48.23 | ricky_clarkson | I think it might be related to having kernel-image instead of linux-image - the name changed apparently sometime after sarge was released. |
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| 10:48.38 | OsRo | hi |
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| 10:49.05 | formorer_ | ricky_clarkson: install the module-assistant backport |
| 10:49.14 | DimmuR | iKernel: thx |
| 10:49.18 | iKernel | yw |
| 10:49.24 | ricky_clarkson | formorer_: Ok, cheers. |
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| 10:49.51 | pego_ | hi |
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| 10:50.27 | OsRo | how is formed menu.lst (grub) to recognize all the installed physical memory? |
| 10:50.43 | pego_ | i'm looking for a solution that execute a command if an host don't respond after n second :/ |
| 10:50.46 | Sadus | hello, i'm pm testing an upgraded xorg, some X applications such as rdesktop/ppraceer/Xnest give me the following error: X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 10:50.51 | OsRo | i hava 4GB |
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| 10:51.10 | OsRo | but system only recognize 3.2 GB |
| 10:51.13 | iKernel | pego_, ask in #bash |
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| 10:51.26 | pego_ | iKernel: okay ty |
| 10:51.34 | iKernel | yw |
| 10:51.42 | ricky_clarkson | formorer_: Is there any general download so that I don't have to keep rebooting, i.e., a download of all the stuff in backports that is new since, say, Sarge ISO 1? |
| 10:52.10 | formorer_ | ricky_clarkson: use apt-get? |
| 10:52.11 | iKernel | OsRo, Maybe it's because the other part of the hard drive is the boot and swap partitions? |
| 10:52.29 | ricky_clarkson | formorer_: I cannot, as I do not currently have Internet access on the box. |
| 10:53.13 | formorer_ | ricky_clarkson: you can mirror bpo, but I don't think thats wise |
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| 10:53.35 | Jhair | if #debian was supposed to be moved to oftc, why there is so many people still in freenode? It's worth to switch? |
| 10:53.44 | OsRo | iKernel: i have 4GB Physical and 1G of swap |
| 10:53.56 | ricky_clarkson | Ok. |
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| 10:54.21 | ricky_clarkson | module-assistant auto-install ieee80211 ipw2200 |
| 10:54.50 | ricky_clarkson | Installation of the ieee80211-source source failed. Blah. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives. |
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| 10:55.07 | ricky_clarkson | Well, afaict, Sarge ISO 1 doesn't include anything non-free. |
| 10:55.26 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe I'll be downloading those separately from backports too. |
| 10:55.32 | ricky_clarkson | Yay, another reboot. |
| 10:55.36 | OsRo | in lilo exist parameter but in grub? |
| 10:55.48 | ktwilight | i'm trying to understand adduser and addgroup, both have a --system option, my Q is, what's the difference between a system user/group and a normal one? what are hte permission differences? |
| 10:57.16 | ricky_clarkson | I can't see ieee80211 or ipw2200 in backports. |
| 10:57.20 | pego_ | anyone know an High-Avail. solution for exacute command when a host is down ? |
| 10:57.30 | formorer_ | pego_: hearbeat, keepalived |
| 10:57.31 | ricky_clarkson | I can see ipw2200-source on packages.debian.org, but not ieee80211. |
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| 10:58.36 | pego_ | formorer_: heartbeat it for amnage an virtual IP no ? i just want excute a command :/ |
| 10:58.56 | formorer_ | pego_: this is no HA. What about nagios oder monit? |
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| 10:59.07 | petemc | pego_: i have a perl script that does that |
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| 10:59.44 | pego_ | formorer_: i want it be automatic . i want send a request to dyndns for xchange the IP and then point to the backup that why i say HA :) |
| 10:59.58 | pego_ | petemc: nice is it available ? :) |
| 11:00.29 | petemc | http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/checkup.pl.txt |
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| 11:00.54 | pego_ | petemc: i check thanks a lot |
| 11:01.14 | petemc | np, its not that flexible, worked for me tho |
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| 11:02.04 | ricky_clarkson | !ipw2200 |
| 11:02.04 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 11:02.25 | ricky_clarkson | In those instructions, m-a a-i ieee80211 doesn't work, on sarge, and there is no backport. |
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| 11:02.31 | cds | Is there a way to get thunderbird in the system tray? |
| 11:02.38 | ricky_clarkson | What's the reason, or suggestions? |
| 11:02.42 | cds | Google says there's thunderbird-tray, but I can't see it in apt. |
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| 11:03.34 | ricky_clarkson | By 'doesn't work' I mean there is no package, ieee80211-source. |
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| 11:06.13 | dn4 | where are all the .deb files I have installed kept at? |
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| 11:09.23 | NaRaK | jonvon: if u find a solution let me know, cause I am stuck at same place ;) |
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| 11:10.28 | csacsa | hi |
| 11:10.47 | csacsa | can anybody recomend me a good software for watch videos? |
| 11:10.52 | csacsa | wvm, mov, mpg? |
| 11:11.10 | NaRaK | noatun, or what it was called.. |
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| 11:11.38 | iKernel | Who here likes planes? |
| 11:12.09 | csacsa | hi |
| 11:12.11 | MatBoy | I'm planning to buy a new processor and maybe a motherboard. What is the best idea under Linux for the moment ? I'm thinking of an CoreDuo |
| 11:12.23 | csacsa | can anybody recomend me a software to see videos on debian? |
| 11:12.31 | csacsa | wvm, mov, mpg? |
| 11:12.32 | iKernel | csacsa, mplayer. |
| 11:12.38 | csacsa | ok thanx |
| 11:12.52 | iKernel | csacsa, You can download mplayer, compile it from source, get windows codecs for it. |
| 11:13.26 | csacsa | in which repository is mplayer? |
| 11:13.59 | csacsa | which one is the easiest to use? |
| 11:14.01 | iKernel | csacsa, Don't get it from repository. |
| 11:14.04 | csacsa | and install |
| 11:14.09 | csacsa | where can i get csacsa? |
| 11:14.18 | iKernel | huh?? |
| 11:14.45 | iKernel | csacsa, You're retarted |
| 11:14.49 | csacsa | ? |
| 11:14.56 | csacsa | sorry |
| 11:15.03 | OsRo | how many ram recognizes kernel 2.4 |
| 11:15.08 | csacsa | i just noticed that my nick is csacsa |
| 11:15.12 | csacsa | where can i get mplayer |
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| 11:15.34 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 11:15.39 | iKernel | csacsa, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ |
| 11:15.41 | iKernel | TuxMeister, hi |
| 11:15.43 | NaRaK | csacsa: noatun is in kde by default or just apt-get install it, that works fine for most my movies |
| 11:15.53 | csacsa | mmm |
| 11:15.55 | TuxMeister | anyone could tell me what do i have to put in grub to make a linux install in /dev/hda3 boot? |
| 11:16.01 | csacsa | in which repository is it? |
| 11:16.07 | csacsa | im so horny , hurry up |
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| 11:16.14 | NaRaK | lol |
| 11:16.15 | csacsa | i want to see shemale movies |
| 11:16.19 | csacsa | http://www.shegods.com/ |
| 11:16.21 | csacsa | jijij |
| 11:16.31 | csacsa | where can i get mplayer? |
| 11:16.41 | NaRaK | just apt-cache search noatun and u see |
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| 11:16.52 | TuxMeister | csacsa, no need to share that info with us xDDD (just kiddin') |
| 11:16.54 | NaRaK | mplayer = http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ |
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| 11:17.17 | aidan | csacsa: please stop spamming the channel, and wait patiently for a response |
| 11:17.36 | csacsa | ok thamx |
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| 11:18.30 | csacsa | damm im drunk and on drugs |
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| 11:18.40 | csacsa | can anybody help me to install mplayer please? |
| 11:18.41 | flux | csacsa: lucky man |
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| 11:18.59 | csacsa | flux help me please |
| 11:19.04 | iKernel | csacsa, you're a moron, RTFM NOOB |
| 11:19.04 | csacsa | im so horny!!! |
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| 11:19.12 | csacsa | whats rtfm? |
| 11:19.20 | stark | rtfm = read the f**** manual |
| 11:19.24 | flux | stfw for rtfm |
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| 11:19.36 | iKernel | csacsa, shemale movies? you sick fuck! |
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| 11:19.42 | stark | hey guys, i have ssh running, how come there is no file named secure in /var/log ? |
| 11:19.45 | csacsa | its normal ikernel |
| 11:19.51 | stark | what do i need to configure? or read |
| 11:19.53 | iKernel | no it's not |
| 11:19.54 | csacsa | everybody likes shemales, dont be hipocrite |
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| 11:20.07 | iKernel | i am not being a hipocrite |
| 11:20.08 | csacsa | i know you like shemales |
| 11:20.15 | iKernel | but I don't |
| 11:20.33 | csacsa | i dont believe you |
| 11:20.37 | blondie | I think that discussion is a bit offtopic |
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| 11:20.48 | csacsa | ikernel can you help me to install mplayer please? |
| 11:20.51 | iKernel | \o/ @ blondie |
| 11:20.54 | csacsa | im a debian noobie |
| 11:21.03 | iKernel | csacsa, no |
| 11:21.10 | csacsa | i was sniffing cocaine and drinking beer |
| 11:21.13 | stark | csacsa: use apt-get to install |
| 11:21.17 | ricky_clarkson | I ran module-assistant auto-install ipw2200, and I see lots of C errors, e.g., "error: structure has no member named `spy_offset'" |
| 11:21.18 | csacsa | i cant think very well |
| 11:21.19 | csacsa | ok |
| 11:21.28 | csacsa | start in which repository is it? |
| 11:21.34 | csacsa | apt-get install mplayer? |
| 11:21.38 | blondie | !mplayer |
| 11:21.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
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| 11:21.53 | superlinux | how can I know which init level I am runing? |
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| 11:22.07 | csacsa | ok xine |
| 11:22.11 | csacsa | apt-get install xine? |
| 11:22.22 | csacsa | i got |
| 11:22.24 | csacsa | cant find package |
| 11:22.30 | csacsa | can anybody help me please? |
| 11:22.38 | csacsa | hurry up please |
| 11:22.45 | blondie | csacsa: don't be insolent |
| 11:22.48 | Racer_D | xine-ui - the xine video player, user interface |
| 11:22.52 | csacsa | if you want i can give you my passwords to shemale private websites |
| 11:22.56 | csacsa | if you help me |
| 11:23.06 | blondie | csacsa: go away |
| 11:23.07 | superlinux | csacsa, apt-cache search pkg |
| 11:23.12 | csacsa | ok |
| 11:23.23 | flux | Racer_D: see what you get ^^ .... happy i suppose ! |
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| 11:23.28 | csacsa | i got a lot of stuff superlinux |
| 11:23.33 | csacsa | what should i do? |
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| 11:23.46 | superlinux | csacsa, I don't want your passwds any way |
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| 11:23.50 | superlinux | but .. |
| 11:24.03 | shaibn | i use a KVM to connect my two PCs to one screen USB mouse and keyboard. every time I switch to my linux box I get a 5 line notification in the console that the usb has been connected etc. etc. ... how can I suppress these messages to appear only in /var/log/messages and not in the console? |
| 11:24.07 | superlinux | csacsa, use apt-cache search pkg_name_target |
| 11:24.11 | usn_work | good morning |
| 11:24.18 | superlinux | it'll help you for the names |
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| 11:24.38 | csacsa | ok superlinux thanx |
| 11:24.57 | superlinux | how can I know which init level I am runing? what is the command? |
| 11:25.27 | csacsa | superlinux |
| 11:25.37 | csacsa | i got xine ui |
| 11:25.48 | csacsa | should i install that? |
| 11:25.52 | Sadus | superlinux, type runlevel as root |
| 11:25.52 | flux | superlinux: look in /etc/inittab .... |
| 11:25.57 | superlinux | yea maybey |
| 11:26.00 | Sadus | superlinux, or sudo |
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| 11:26.09 | csacsa | ok thanx |
| 11:26.13 | csacsa | its downloading |
| 11:26.27 | csacsa | superlinux do u want my password for the shemale web site? |
| 11:26.35 | csacsa | you can download complete movies |
| 11:26.45 | superlinux | I need somthing similar to uname command |
| 11:26.49 | dn4 | checking whether QTDIR environment variable is set... no |
| 11:26.49 | dn4 | configure: error: QTDIR must be properly set. |
| 11:26.52 | dn4 | Any ideas?? |
| 11:27.06 | superlinux | how can I know which init level I am CURRENTLY runing? what is the command? |
| 11:27.12 | superlinux | not shouting |
| 11:27.14 | Sadus | superlinux, runlevel as root |
| 11:27.21 | Sadus | for the second time |
| 11:27.22 | superlinux | ok |
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| 11:27.55 | blondie | !tell csacsa about u |
| 11:28.24 | Shadowcat | blondie: actually csacsa is on the verge of trolling |
| 11:28.35 | blondie | indeed |
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| 11:35.09 | csacsa | people |
| 11:35.15 | csacsa | please i just downloade xine/ui |
| 11:35.18 | csacsa | xine-ui |
| 11:35.21 | csacsa | how can i make it work? |
| 11:35.47 | XPSlammer | csacsa: you can't make it work, it has to want to. |
| 11:36.26 | flux | maybe it's the kind of nasty video you want it to read that xine dislike :) |
| 11:36.57 | XPSlammer | csacsa: did you disable the adult movie watermark detection? |
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| 11:37.29 | dn4 | configure: error: QTDIR must be properly set. <-- how do I do this? |
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| 11:39.09 | XPSlammer | dn4: export QTDIR=/path/to/qtdir |
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| 11:41.33 | dn4 | XPSlammer, what qt do I have to have installed? |
| 11:42.14 | superlinux | I have a problem with pppoe-server that the redirect iptables rule to make transparent proxy is not working!!! while transparency is really working and squid is setup for that!what I mean I that the redirect rule is needless! |
| 11:42.16 | streuner | dn4: what app.? |
| 11:42.22 | dn4 | qtjackctl |
| 11:42.24 | XPSlammer | dn4: how would I know? it's your system. |
| 11:42.24 | superlinux | I donno why?? |
| 11:42.31 | csacsa | shemales are great |
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| 11:42.49 | streuner | dn4: look at the README or install |
| 11:43.47 | streuner | s/at/into/ |
| 11:43.49 | Shadowcat | !ops csacsa is trolling |
| 11:43.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: shadowcat complains about: csacsa is trolling |
| 11:44.54 | RichiH | csacsa: i am not sure if that is on topic |
| 11:45.08 | Shadowcat | RichiH: that's the second time he's said that |
| 11:45.17 | RichiH | Shadowcat: i am reading backlog, yah |
| 11:46.01 | Shadowcat | acutally third |
| 11:46.07 | Shadowcat | actually even |
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| 11:47.28 | streuner | thanks |
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| 11:49.18 | dn4 | where is the qtdir normally in debian? |
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| 11:49.39 | streuner | hm, hard to say :-) |
| 11:49.49 | streuner | debian uses there own folders... |
| 11:50.15 | streuner | so just use what someone mentioned already or use ./configure parameter |
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| 11:50.47 | dn4 | streuner, someone already mentioned /path/to/qtdir |
| 11:50.49 | streuner | ./configure --help shows you how to set, the folder is available via dpkg -L libqt*-dev |
| 11:50.49 | dn4 | hahaha |
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| 11:52.44 | pitillo | hi, good morning, what about removing exim4? Why is it used by clients like mailx? |
| 11:53.25 | sep | pitillo, you never remove the MTA, but you can replace it with a ligther MTA, altho exim4 in it's default config is pretty ligth already |
| 11:53.27 | streuner | debian uses MTA's by default, so just use it. |
| 11:54.20 | streuner | it doesn't hurd to have a MTA installed, btw. |
| 11:54.24 | XPSlammer | streuner: debian uses MTA's _what_ by default? :) |
| 11:54.45 | pitillo | nice... but I dont understand why I need to keep it installed... I dont send/receive mail in the computer. the only reason to keep it installed is to get local mail from some services... |
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| 11:55.43 | streuner | XPSlammer: a MTA is installed by default. |
| 11:56.22 | pitillo | I understand the use of a MTA, but I dont know if I?ve explained. |
| 11:56.45 | sep | pitillo, that's exactly why you want it. some services depend on beeing able to deliver notices to a MTA cron comes to mind. |
| 11:57.13 | pitillo | ahhh... cron is one of the services... I understand it now |
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| 11:58.00 | pitillo | thanks for the help. I dont think in cron, sorry :) I think that all info send by a service may be loged on the system |
| 11:58.09 | pitillo | thanks for that tips :) |
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| 12:00.52 | liable | hola |
| 12:02.07 | jbrimble | buenus dias |
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| 12:03.43 | superlinux | I have a problem with pppoe-server that the redirect iptables rule to make transparent proxy is not working!!! while transparency is really working and squid is setup for that!what I mean I that the redirect rule is needless! can someone anaylise for me what's happening? |
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| 12:11.35 | BlueBeret | hi, I'm looking for an alternative for gksu(exec) that wouldn't be Gnome-dependent. is there any? |
| 12:11.48 | liable | sux? |
| 12:12.20 | BlueBeret | liable: yes, but I need to run an xterm to type the password |
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| 12:12.34 | BlueBeret | which is not exactly what I'm looking for |
| 12:13.13 | liable | BlueBeret: oh, how do plan on calling the app then? |
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| 12:13.49 | BlueBeret | both KDE and Gnome got a tool (kdesu and gksu) to ask for root password using a window, then closing it and running the desired app in superuser mode |
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| 12:14.10 | kleinerfreak | halloo |
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| 12:14.33 | kleinerfreak | wie kann ich herausfinden auf welcher platte (mbr) der grub installiert wurde |
| 12:14.39 | liable | BlueBeret: is opening a term all that inconvenient? |
| 12:15.06 | liable | kleinerfreak: english here or try #debian.de |
| 12:15.18 | kleinerfreak | ups sorry |
| 12:15.20 | BlueBeret | liable: it needs to be open all the time, and I need to copy the command in it |
| 12:15.24 | BlueBeret | so it can't be run from a menu |
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| 12:15.36 | BlueBeret | cancel. |
| 12:15.43 | BlueBeret | strike the last sentence. |
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| 12:16.38 | BlueBeret | or two |
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| 12:17.50 | BlueBeret | well that thing doesn't exist, does it? |
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| 12:23.06 | setcode | hello |
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| 12:29.06 | superlinux | setcode, hi |
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| 12:36.00 | clocker | mornin' |
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| 12:38.21 | xemit | hi |
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| 12:38.29 | dhuv | hello all |
| 12:38.45 | xemit | there are something wrong about display chinese traditional |
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| 12:39.44 | dhuv | is anybody familiar with the python spambayes implementation? I have used it before on an old server and it has worked great but I am currently trying to use it on a server with virtual users and its not working at all, when I perform a training, a blank db file does not increase in size |
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| 12:45.27 | shaibn | hi :) How can I know what filesystem my partition is formatted with? |
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| 12:46.03 | blondie | shaibn: mount will tell you |
| 12:46.04 | petemc | shaibn: fdisk -l /dev/hda , adjust to suit |
| 12:46.12 | petemc | hmm, actually |
| 12:46.25 | shaibn | actually ... ? |
| 12:46.32 | petemc | that may only show partition type |
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| 12:46.59 | blondie | shaibn: |
| 12:46.59 | blondie | alex@corner:~$ mount |
| 12:46.59 | blondie | /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 12:47.11 | blondie | ext3 |
| 12:47.46 | petemc | if its not mounted thats not much use |
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| 12:48.07 | petemc | dmesg should say |
| 12:48.18 | cahoot | cfdisk is explicit |
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| 12:49.48 | shaibn | blondie, thanks ;0 |
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| 12:59.28 | xemit | hi all |
| 12:59.43 | xemit | Anybody wants to help me? |
| 12:59.59 | xemit | I am stopped by a display problem |
| 13:00.15 | dn4 | xemit, just ask |
| 13:00.17 | ma3x | hello |
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| 13:00.26 | ma3x | why do I receive these strange characters in the konsole |
| 13:00.32 | ma3x | example : Every âflagâ option has a ânoflagâ |
| 13:00.37 | ma3x | can you read properly that? |
| 13:00.48 | ma3x | I see â â â those |
| 13:00.55 | xemit | dn4: I installed debian and choose the language support of Chinese traditional |
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| 13:01.20 | xemit | dn4: but I cannot display traditional Chinese in gnome shell |
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| 13:03.18 | ma3x | a3x:/home/ma3x# reportbug Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/reportbug", line 52, in ? import reportbug_submit File "/usr/share/reportbug/reportbug_submit.py", line 354 while failed != True: ^SyntaxError: invalid syntax |
| 13:03.24 | ma3x | how do I report this bug? |
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| 13:06.29 | dimir | How to report the bug about the bug reporting system?!?!?!?!?! |
| 13:06.31 | dimir | lol |
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| 13:06.43 | liable | ma3x: theres already a bug for it. check bts |
| 13:06.52 | CoR | hi |
| 13:07.27 | liable | !qotd47 |
| 13:07.27 | dpkg | <g4lt> okay, in a fit of complete irony, reportbug is puking on upgrade |
| 13:08.17 | dimir | hohoooo! |
| 13:08.24 | stoned | regurgitation |
| 13:08.41 | sussudio | !qotd0 |
| 13:08.42 | dpkg | <octoberdan> The story involves alcholl and a bet... but without getting into the messy details, I need to learn B |
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| 13:08.53 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 13:09.26 | dimir | :'( |
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| 13:12.10 | ma3x | liable, I checked bts, must have overseen it |
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| 13:13.00 | liable | ma3x: found it now? |
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| 13:15.12 | davis | how can I get cdrecord to recgnize my ide cdrom burner? i thought I could do cdrecord -scanbus and see it. But I only see my SATA (scsi ) drives. |
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| 13:17.02 | ma3x | liable, yes |
| 13:17.30 | liable | cool |
| 13:17.31 | ma3x | liable, anyway, if this bug happens, does 'reportbug' report to the bts automatically? |
| 13:17.36 | ma3x | or you have to run it by hand? |
| 13:17.51 | pitillo | davis, try cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA |
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| 13:18.14 | davis | pitillo: nope. thanks |
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| 13:18.36 | pitillo | davis, nope? |
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| 13:19.09 | liable | ma3x: report its own bugs automatically? that would be a smart program if it did :) |
| 13:19.30 | ma3x | liable, then how do I report the bug if its already not there? |
| 13:19.37 | ma3x | liable, just by typing 'reportbug' ? |
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| 13:20.13 | liable | ma3x: you can email bugs to bts without reportbug |
| 13:20.35 | liable | theres info there somewhere about it |
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| 13:21.03 | ma3x | liable, so 'reportbug' can't report the bugs, but you have to do it yourself via email?? |
| 13:21.26 | jetscreamer | ma3x: now you know why apt-listbugs exists |
| 13:21.34 | liable | ma3x: yep. http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 13:24.00 | davis | pitillo: i did as you suggested and it now works. sorta. |
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| 13:24.48 | ma3x | liable, but it would be way easier if you just type 'reportbug' and it reports the gathered information to bts. no? |
| 13:25.24 | liable | ma3x: indeed, thats the way it should work, but.. its broken atm, so obviously you cant do that. |
| 13:25.32 | davis | even thought my cdrom media is 52x and my brand new dvd+R burner says it supports CD-R at 48x, cdrecord -v -speed=48 dev=ATA:1,0,0 -data /tmp/cd.iso fails. It say dman does not permit that speed. |
| 13:25.43 | cahoot | ma3x: what was your initial problem - strange chars in manpage or what? |
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| 13:26.24 | cahoot | davis: tried dev=/dev/hdc (or hdd) simply? |
| 13:26.41 | davis | cahoot: nope. how would I try that? |
| 13:27.03 | cahoot | davis: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc |
| 13:27.25 | ma3x | cahoot, exactlz |
| 13:27.46 | ma3x | cahoot, why do I see those characters, does it have to do something with the locales? |
| 13:27.54 | cahoot | ma3x: and it isn't just a matter of you using utf-8? |
| 13:28.08 | ma3x | liable, if it were sane, how would it work? just by typing 'reportbug packagename' ? |
| 13:28.26 | ma3x | cahoot, I do have utf-8 set as the default locale. is that the problem? |
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| 13:28.44 | liable | ma3x: yes, then you answer some questions |
| 13:29.02 | ma3x | alrighty then |
| 13:29.17 | abrotman | is his reportbug busted? |
| 13:29.24 | posix | hello, im thinking about installing debian on my x86 system, i want a stable workstation, any suggestions? |
| 13:29.29 | davis | http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=9982 |
| 13:29.31 | cahoot | ma3x: well I'd first google for utf-8 and man pages before sending any bugreport |
| 13:29.32 | abrotman | !d-i posix |
| 13:29.32 | dpkg | posix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:29.52 | liable | heh, most of the rabble seems to be on oftc, might actually become sane in here since the switch :) |
| 13:30.03 | ma3x | cahoot, I mean what do you have set as your default locale? utf or iso or what? |
| 13:30.19 | davis | cahoot: pitillo please check out my pastebin. |
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| 13:30.49 | posix | abrotman: how many of the isos should i download? |
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| 13:31.07 | posix | from the full cd set. |
| 13:31.21 | jbroome | if you have a good 'net connection the netinstall is fine |
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| 13:31.53 | abrotman | posix: just the netinst if you have broadband .. you didn't follow the URL did you ? |
| 13:32.00 | posix | yes i did. |
| 13:32.08 | posix | i see lots of options however. |
| 13:32.17 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 13:32.28 | abrotman | posix: if you have broadband .. the 110MB Netinst is a good option |
| 13:32.34 | abrotman | 100MB .. whatever |
| 13:32.37 | posix | ok |
| 13:32.51 | posix | heh, one more thing, how should my partitioning scheme be? |
| 13:33.09 | posix | i have 1gig of ram. |
| 13:33.11 | posix | 80gig hd. |
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| 13:33.28 | liable | at least /home on a seperate partition is a good start |
| 13:33.51 | abrotman | posix: it really depends on the use of the machine |
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| 13:34.05 | posix | basic usage, 1-user. |
| 13:34.12 | posix | which will be me. |
| 13:34.34 | abrotman | probably .. 20GB / .. 58GB /home/ ... 2GB Swap |
| 13:34.57 | Henk | hi, does anyone have a good tool/oneliner for removing all bad symlinks in a dir? |
| 13:35.08 | posix | so no /var or anything? |
| 13:35.15 | abrotman | /var/ will fall under / |
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| 13:35.44 | abrotman | posix: if it's just a workstation .. the scheme i suggested shuld be fine .. |
| 13:35.49 | davis | i have a problem with a brand new dvd burner I bought. |
| 13:35.51 | abrotman | might even be a bit too much on the / side of things |
| 13:35.53 | cyzie | anybody has server that installed total 16GB of RAM ? |
| 13:35.53 | Henk | or, use LVM and have all the freedom to change space later |
| 13:35.57 | davis | it is supposed to support DVD+- but the cdrecord software seems that it is a generic dvd burner. |
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| 13:36.07 | ma3x | can anybody help me with the strange chars I see in the console (manpages for example) |
| 13:36.09 | abrotman | cyzie: you need to compile your own kernel and enable 64GB suppot |
| 13:36.11 | abrotman | support |
| 13:36.12 | posix | abrotman: sure thing. |
| 13:36.14 | davis | anybody have any advice? |
| 13:36.15 | posix | thanks man. |
| 13:36.24 | abrotman | posix: or you can let the installer do it :) |
| 13:36.29 | ma3x | I see these char â and its not normal |
| 13:36.41 | ma3x | does that have something to do with the locales? |
| 13:36.43 | posix | the installer does it for you? |
| 13:36.43 | cyzie | abrotman, the qeustion is ...why do i need so much RAM for? utnil 16GB ? |
| 13:36.44 | posix | cool. |
| 13:36.57 | ma3x | abrotman, what's your default locale? |
| 13:37.34 | CoR | ma3x, u can try to use utf8 locale |
| 13:37.36 | liable | philly?? |
| 13:38.19 | abrotman | ma3x: philly |
| 13:38.23 | ma3x | CoR, it is already LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 13:38.26 | ma3x | is that wrong? |
| 13:38.35 | abrotman | cyzie: you're asking me why you have so much RAM ? |
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| 13:38.58 | liable | must be from NZ.. |
| 13:39.04 | ma3x | abrotman, what's philly? |
| 13:39.04 | streuner | haha |
| 13:39.14 | abrotman | !dict philadelphia |
| 13:39.16 | cyzie | abrotman, no. but i just wondering if anybody has server that installed with such high amount of RAM. |
| 13:39.16 | dpkg | Dictionary 'philadelphia' the largest city in Pennsylvania; located in the southeastern part of the state on the Delaware river; site of Independence Hall where the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were signed; site of the University of Pennsylvania |
| 13:39.38 | abrotman | cyzie: i don't have any here .. but i'm telling you that you'll have to recompile the kernel with 64GB support |
| 13:39.39 | ma3x | streuner, what you laughing at? |
| 13:39.56 | ma3x | abrotman, so when you say to me philly, what means that? |
| 13:40.00 | ma3x | is it an insult or what? |
| 13:40.03 | cyzie | mmm...okay thanks abrotman. but does that apply to RHEL too ? |
| 13:40.06 | CoR | ma3x, its correct. But i can help for you. I am use locale of my country and all working. |
| 13:40.16 | cyzie | abrotman, what about 4GB of RAM ? |
| 13:40.20 | streuner | ma3x: well, .nz people seems to like .au people and vice versa... ;-) |
| 13:40.22 | abrotman | cyzie: i don't have a single RH box left |
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| 13:40.34 | abrotman | cyzie: no .. there are kernels packaged in Debian that have 4GB support |
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| 13:40.56 | ma3x | streuner, so what's so funny about that? |
| 13:41.23 | cyzie | so abrotman how do i know if my stock kernel is compiled with 64GB support? what command/ways to find out ? |
| 13:41.36 | streuner | ma3x: well, if you don't get the joke, i cannot explain it then :-) |
| 13:41.49 | abrotman | cyzie: are you using Debian ? |
| 13:41.54 | ma3x | alright |
| 13:41.59 | ma3x | i dont get it |
| 13:42.00 | cyzie | abrotman, yes and RHEL as well |
| 13:42.15 | ma3x | how can I change the hostname of my machine to 'localhost' or to some not existing host? |
| 13:42.27 | liable | !hostname |
| 13:42.27 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 13:42.53 | pitillo | davis, try in another channel related to hardware, may be you?ll find help there |
| 13:43.08 | abrotman | cyzie: in Debian ... grep 64 config-$(uname -r) .. dunno about RHEL |
| 13:43.46 | stoned | morning |
| 13:43.48 | liable | +/boot/ |
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| 13:44.09 | stoned | hallelujah i have no work today |
| 13:44.32 | cyzie | abrotman, # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set <== does this mean my current kernel does not compile with 64GB support? |
| 13:44.41 | abrotman | cyzie: I TOLD YOU THAT! |
| 13:44.51 | cyzie | abrotman, ok. what about 4GB ? |
| 13:44.51 | abrotman | cyzie: i told you that you'd have to recompile to get it in debian |
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| 13:45.16 | streuner | stoned: does that mean you want to get the top of debstats? :-) |
| 13:45.28 | streuner | s/to/ / |
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| 13:45.56 | abrotman | cyzie: grep 4G /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:45.58 | stoned | streuner, well, I don't know jack shit, and I can't be of any help to people, but I can annoy you guys alright ;) |
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| 13:46.14 | abrotman | streuner: he'd have to work pretty damn hard |
| 13:46.23 | cyzie | abrotman, thanks. appreciate your help |
| 13:46.24 | abrotman | streuner: stoned: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 13:46.28 | stoned | haha |
| 13:46.35 | abrotman | cyzie: show me .. uname -a .. please |
| 13:46.43 | stoned | abrotman, my website, http://bungs.dontexist.com <- no index.html |
| 13:46.45 | streuner | abrotman: why, do you know every single day debstats and the actual stats? |
| 13:46.46 | stoned | hehe |
| 13:46.55 | cyzie | abrotman, why? |
| 13:47.11 | abrotman | streuner: nope .. but i bet they will trend downward |
| 13:47.18 | abrotman | cyzie: because i want to know |
| 13:47.34 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.35 | abrotman | stoned: your apache is broken |
| 13:47.35 | cyzie | abrotman, Linux cyzie 2.6.15-1-k7 #2 Mon Mar 6 15:42:39 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:47.42 | stoned | abrotman, oh is it |
| 13:47.47 | abrotman | cyzie: then you sohuld have 4GB support |
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| 13:47.57 | abrotman | stoned: eithe rthat .. or you're on dialup :) |
| 13:47.59 | cyzie | abrotman, yes. ;) with your command |
| 13:48.00 | stoned | ahh, after that upgrade it knocked it out |
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| 13:48.13 | stoned | I just have to install apache again, I keep backups of all my .conf |
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| 13:49.57 | pitillo | I see a problem in syslog. rpc.statd[1249]: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting. Im a bit lost, anyone have a clue about that? (Think that is related with nfs but not using that service) |
| 13:50.26 | stoned | abrotman, its good now |
| 13:50.40 | stoned | damn upgrade knocked out apache |
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| 13:51.27 | stoned | thanks for tellin, otherwise I never woulda known |
| 13:51.50 | Hagbard_Ub | anyone here on Fluxbox? |
| 13:52.09 | streuner | !tell Hagbard_Ub about ask |
| 13:52.43 | Hagbard_Ub | how do you change so i can se the text? (it's to small and dizzy) |
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| 13:53.16 | ma3x | when a new linux-image comes out, is that included in the weekly mailing list? |
| 13:53.16 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, startx -- -dpi xxx |
| 13:53.28 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, replace xx with I like 120 dpi |
| 13:53.33 | streuner | Hagbard_Ub: well, an easy solution would be to just change the theme |
| 13:53.38 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, also you can change this in Xserverrc |
| 13:53.50 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, should be in /etc/X11/somewher eI can't recall |
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| 13:54.28 | liable | ma3x: for sarge, and the security annonce, yes |
| 13:54.36 | streuner | hm |
| 13:54.41 | stoned | I actually am using 132 dpi, I sit two feet away from monitor and in a recliner on 1600x1200 |
| 13:54.46 | stoned | sometimes I use dpi 140 |
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| 13:55.03 | Hagbard_Ub | hmm.. |
| 13:55.08 | Hagbard_Ub | well |
| 13:55.22 | Hagbard_Ub | what's the thing to close X? |
| 13:55.28 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, you can also change the font sizes |
| 13:55.35 | Hagbard_Ub | stoned, Ahhh |
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| 13:55.45 | streuner | Hagbard_Ub: skill -c (x)dm |
| 13:55.46 | Hagbard_Ub | that's what i'm lookinbg for |
| 13:55.57 | Hagbard_Ub | changing the font size |
| 13:56.07 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, what wm/dm? |
| 13:56.13 | Hagbard_Ub | fluxbox |
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| 13:56.26 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, pick a style that you like |
| 13:56.44 | stoned | then copy that style file from /usr/share/fluxbox/styles |
| 13:56.45 | Hagbard_Ub | Rampage... |
| 13:56.52 | stoned | to your ~/.fluxbox/styles |
| 13:57.00 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, then change the font sizes |
| 13:57.09 | stoned | or try *font: blah |
| 13:57.17 | stoned | I think, its been years I can't remember anything anyway |
| 13:57.18 | stoned | sorry |
| 13:57.42 | streuner | Hagbard_Ub: edit ~/.gktrc |
| 13:57.45 | ma3x | liable, and for sid? |
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| 13:58.13 | liable | ma3x: nope. up to you to check. |
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| 13:59.20 | ma3x | liable, then is there no sid mailing lit? |
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| 13:59.27 | liable | no |
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| 13:59.49 | Hagbard_Ub | Well... I have enough computer to run Gnome... let's skip Fluxbox |
| 14:00.04 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, I suggest xfce4 |
| 14:00.15 | Hagbard_Ub | don't like XFCE |
| 14:00.20 | Hagbard_Ub | tryed it before |
| 14:00.24 | stoned | its like a minimal version of gnome |
| 14:00.25 | stoned | heh |
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| 14:00.31 | stoned | well, gtk based |
| 14:00.41 | Hagbard_Ub | i know... |
| 14:00.43 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, what about kde. I love it and use nothing but it |
| 14:00.52 | Hagbard_Ub | NOT KDE! |
| 14:01.00 | stoned | gnome I dislike for many reasons, but i fyou want gnome, try apt-get install gnome-core synaptic |
| 14:01.13 | stoned | synaptic is opitional btw, |
| 14:01.16 | Hagbard_Ub | i have gnome already... Ubuntu user... |
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| 14:01.45 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, and you are on ubuntu right now? |
| 14:01.52 | Hagbard_Ub | yes |
| 14:01.57 | jair | guys, anyone here have ever use bastille? |
| 14:02.02 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, do you realize that this is #debian? |
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| 14:02.17 | Hagbard_Ub | stoned, Yes... but i'm kinde new on linux... |
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| 14:02.24 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, join #Ubuntu |
| 14:02.30 | Hagbard_Ub | and the are so slow when asking things in #ubuntuforums |
| 14:02.46 | stoned | !tell Hagbard_Ub about debian based |
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| 14:03.30 | Hagbard_Ub | well i'm here to learn linux... |
| 14:03.36 | Hagbard_Ub | not to get packages for Ub |
| 14:03.42 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, then try ##linux |
| 14:03.55 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, things here are done the proper debian way, because this is debian |
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| 14:04.21 | stoned | you can learn a good bit of linux here as well, but you will not get ANY support from anyone becuase you are not using debian, but ubuntu |
| 14:04.23 | abrotman | !tell Hagbard_Ub about grounding |
| 14:04.29 | Hagbard_Ub | well... thinkin about goin to Debian.. is it harder to learn? more Terminal? |
| 14:04.45 | streuner | Hagbard_Ub: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 14:05.02 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, not really, but it is a bit more involving than a shiny desktop |
| 14:05.19 | Hagbard_Ub | ok.. |
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| 14:05.48 | Hagbard_Ub | well, i wanna get the packages i want and not like ubuntu-desktop where you get loads of crap |
| 14:06.03 | Hagbard_Ub | just thought Ubuntu would be a good learn distro |
| 14:06.06 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, why don't you go to #ubuntu? |
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| 14:06.17 | stoned | is there a particular reason? |
| 14:06.20 | ma3x | uhm, this is strange |
| 14:06.28 | Hagbard_Ub | i'm at #ubuntu already? |
| 14:06.38 | stoned | great |
| 14:06.39 | abrotman | Hagbard_Ub: we cannot support Ubuntu .. please use #ubuntu |
| 14:06.43 | ma3x | I got one popup window "!Warning" azureus did not shutdown tidly. and then there is option hide |
| 14:06.49 | Hagbard_Ub | i'm not asking about Ubuntu??? |
| 14:06.51 | ma3x | but I click it, and it doesnt work, and I can't remove that window |
| 14:07.00 | ma3x | how do I shut the window? |
| 14:07.07 | Hagbard_Ub | I just wanna learn some about Linux that's all... |
| 14:07.13 | stoned | ma3x, any reason why you want Azureus? |
| 14:07.33 | abrotman | Hagbard_Ub: then either lurk here .. and don't ask questions related to Ubuntu .. or use #ubuntu and ##linux |
| 14:07.48 | Hagbard_Ub | abrotman, ok |
| 14:08.14 | ma3x | stoned, what do you mean? |
| 14:08.25 | Hagbard_Ub | well... i haven't asked anything about Ub... just about fluxbox... |
| 14:08.35 | tralala | Hagbard_Ub: www.debian.org is a great place to start. It has plenty of interseting things to read. |
| 14:08.49 | Hagbard_Ub | hmm... |
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| 14:09.02 | Hagbard_Ub | can you install Debian without any cds or anything? |
| 14:09.07 | stoned | yes |
| 14:09.13 | streuner | Hagbard_Ub: or just read this :-) http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/de/html/x838.html#AEN859 |
| 14:09.20 | liable | um, well, you need *something* |
| 14:09.20 | abrotman | or ask #fluxbox |
| 14:09.22 | Hagbard_Ub | great... cause my cdburner won't work properly |
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| 14:09.29 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, you can boot the netinstall from existing linux system |
| 14:09.33 | stoned | hell even a windows system |
| 14:09.38 | Hagbard_Ub | stoned, cool...:D |
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| 14:10.06 | stoned | Hagbard_Ub, you'd have to make your grub/lilo boot the netinstall linux/initrd.gz images |
| 14:10.18 | Hagbard_Ub | hmm.. |
| 14:10.19 | stoned | called netboot image |
| 14:10.28 | ma3x | stoned, to download programs I like, legal of course |
| 14:10.36 | ma3x | stoned, you? |
| 14:10.44 | stoned | ma3x, try apt-cache search torrent |
| 14:10.54 | ma3x | stoned, you think there are better programs? |
| 14:10.57 | stoned | ma3x, az is bloatware, and plus is java based ugh |
| 14:10.58 | stoned | ;) |
| 14:11.01 | streuner | Hagbard_Ub: besides, you don't learn fast vs. reading and try things by yourself. |
| 14:11.02 | Hagbard_Ub | maybe i'll install debian today.. |
| 14:11.13 | stoned | ma3x, not better, but just different and less taxing on the system |
| 14:11.28 | stoned | ma3x, better/worse are relative terms |
| 14:11.34 | ma3x | stoned, azureus is also javabased |
| 14:11.46 | fireba11 | Hagbard_Ub: my tip would be take an old box, install debian there and try to set something up .. like a webserver or so .. just to get to know it :-) |
| 14:11.54 | stoned | ma3x, uh.. yeah |
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| 14:12.13 | ma3x | stoned, but other torrent programs suck. I've tried a few long time ago |
| 14:12.13 | Hagbard_Ub | i only have a 486 60MHz and 16MB ram without CD... |
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| 14:12.26 | ma3x | stoned, you can recommend some? |
| 14:12.27 | stoned | ma3x, bittornado-gui is THE BEST! |
| 14:12.30 | stoned | ;) |
| 14:12.33 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 14:12.34 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 14:12.34 | ma3x | oh :p |
| 14:12.37 | ma3x | I'll give it a try |
| 14:12.42 | tralala | ma3x: /msg dpkg bittorrent |
| 14:12.52 | stoned | ma3x, its python/gtk based, very easy to use, and supports tons of features |
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| 14:13.12 | Hagbard_Ub | http://www.utorrent.com/download.php That's a great torrent program... only windows though |
| 14:13.19 | ma3x | stoned, what about performance, download/upload network stuff? |
| 14:13.40 | stoned | ma3x, you can't go wrong with bittornado |
| 14:13.41 | ma3x | you think its more sophisticated than azureus, or so to say in a way more advanced (optimized) ? |
| 14:14.02 | Hagbard_Ub | Azereus is to heavy... |
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| 14:14.11 | streuner | ma3x: are you finish with your studium? |
| 14:14.19 | stoned | ma3x, you have to weigh your options. Az is not only a client, but a torent tracker/server |
| 14:14.22 | ma3x | Hagbard_Ub, you mean it's a heavy load for the system? |
| 14:14.28 | Hagbard_Ub | yes... |
| 14:14.34 | Hagbard_Ub | well... for mine it is... |
| 14:14.34 | ma3x | streuner, you mean the torrent studium? |
| 14:14.40 | stoned | ma3x, if you merely wish to have a good torrent client to download, bittornado is good |
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| 14:14.47 | streuner | ma3x: haha, no :-) |
| 14:15.03 | liable | wtf is a studium? |
| 14:15.11 | stoned | stadium? |
| 14:15.14 | stoned | mispselled |
| 14:15.17 | ma3x | :p |
| 14:15.18 | stoned | maybe |
| 14:15.21 | ma3x | streuner is a german |
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| 14:15.28 | ma3x | he misspells sometimes |
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| 14:15.32 | abrotman | like that's an excuse! |
| 14:15.33 | streuner | study |
| 14:15.35 | streuner | studies |
| 14:15.36 | stoned | lol |
| 14:15.40 | liable | ah |
| 14:15.57 | streuner | no excuse for you then :-) |
| 14:16.18 | ma3x | dont start jokes with abrotman |
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| 14:16.20 | ma3x | you cant beat him. |
| 14:16.27 | ma3x | stoned thanks! |
| 14:16.32 | stoned | hehe, on birthday, doc comes up and says, yeh, mr. and ms. *streuner's parents*, we have bad news. Ma'am. you gave birth to a German ! |
| 14:16.45 | ma3x | lol |
| 14:16.53 | stoned | j/k |
| 14:16.54 | liable | eh? |
| 14:17.03 | stoned | far fetched and bad joke |
| 14:17.16 | ma3x | come on , germans are okay |
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| 14:17.26 | ma3x | but they'll loose the Championship |
| 14:17.29 | ma3x | soccer |
| 14:17.36 | stoned | dude, germany gave the world the best thing |
| 14:17.40 | stoned | Muhammad Suicmez |
| 14:17.44 | stoned | 'nuff said |
| 14:17.55 | chill | who? |
| 14:18.01 | ma3x | whos that |
| 14:18.22 | ma3x | you like germany's soccer? |
| 14:18.23 | stoned | one of the best neoclassical guitar metal shredders of this century, comparable to last centuries paganini and this centures yngwie malmsteen |
| 14:18.24 | stoned | ;) |
| 14:18.57 | ma3x | like guns`n roces? |
| 14:19.01 | stoned | hell no |
| 14:19.06 | ma3x | what's the difference |
| 14:19.10 | cahoot | stoned: isn't malmsteen soo -90's? |
| 14:19.13 | ma3x | where can I get some clip |
| 14:19.15 | ma3x | I wanna listen to him |
| 14:19.32 | stoned | cahoot, 80's really, but that doesn't change the fact that is an amazing classical composer |
| 14:19.43 | stoned | in the likes of virtousos like Niccolo Paganini from 1800's italy |
| 14:19.46 | cahoot | stoned: i e last century |
| 14:19.57 | stoned | oh one before |
| 14:19.58 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:20.07 | ma3x | stoned, yeah right, how do you know? proove it |
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| 14:20.28 | abrotman | stoned: century's |
| 14:20.53 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:20.53 | stoned | abrotman, this isn't a statement coming from a fan |
| 14:21.02 | ma3x | stoned, but? |
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| 14:21.10 | abrotman | stoned: i was noting your spelling of "centures" |
| 14:21.12 | stoned | abrotman, I've got 20 years of classical indian and western classical and 4 instruments under my belt. |
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| 14:21.16 | stoned | abrotman, this keyboard sucks, |
| 14:21.38 | abrotman | stoned: i've got .. guitar and sax :) .. but i've got a clarinet and harmonica at home too .. but i really want a keyboard.. and a few more guitars :) |
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| 14:21.48 | stoned | but yeah, as a musician, so do I |
| 14:21.56 | cahoot | stoned: one would expect a guitarr picker to be fluent with keys |
| 14:22.09 | liable | ive got .. about 20 beers under my belt but you dont see me harping about it! :P |
| 14:22.17 | abrotman | i want a 12string, Telecaster, and an archtop, an acoustic-electic 6str .. and maybe a dobro |
| 14:22.47 | abrotman | liable: weren't you born that way? |
| 14:22.47 | bigbob | and a 7str?;-) |
| 14:22.47 | abrotman | no .. no 7str .. |
| 14:22.47 | abrotman | just a 12string |
| 14:22.48 | stew | and a pony |
| 14:22.51 | stoned | cahoot, I lay in a recliner, feets away from monitor, keyboard is wireless piece of crap, makes tons of typos. also sometimes my wrist presses the alt or the ctrl key without realizing it, and sometimes entire words in my sentence come up missing |
| 14:22.51 | bigbob | like petrucci... |
| 14:22.53 | abrotman | !prize stew |
| 14:22.55 | stoned | people think I'm crazy |
| 14:22.56 | stoned | heh |
| 14:23.32 | pitillo | anyone has a clue about this error: rpc.statd[1246]: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting. Not running nfsd or portmap. |
| 14:23.46 | stoned | no clue |
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| 14:25.08 | pitillo | sorry for the repetition. I?ll continue reading. :) |
| 14:25.16 | stoned | abrotman, I've got a bc rich kerry king, 1971 custom les paul, both guitars with a 4.5 mm deep scallop and extra sharp frets. These are my main axes. BC rich for shredding, les paul for classical. I also have violins, a keyboard, copule of floor monitors, some amps, 2 stacks, a pearl 5 piece kit, and I'm rambling again |
| 14:25.20 | stoned | argh |
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| 14:25.35 | abrotman | stoned: keep the bc rich .. i'll take the LP |
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| 14:25.43 | stoned | yeh right, not even in your dreams |
| 14:25.44 | stoned | ;) |
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| 14:25.58 | abrotman | stoned: i want a Fender Nashville Tele .. though i haven't decided about the Fishman bridge or not .. but probably not |
| 14:26.04 | stoned | abrotman, gonna msg you a sec, is that cool? |
| 14:26.08 | abrotman | stoned: sure |
| 14:26.10 | stoned | thanks |
| 14:26.35 | liable | pitillo: if you dont use nfs it prolly wont hurt, unless you use autofs? (one of the other things that depends on portmap, cant remember exactly what it is) |
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| 14:29.22 | stoned | oh crap, wait, is RFS prone to fragmentation? |
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| 14:30.16 | liable | it has a defrag tool iirc, so i guess so. |
| 14:30.31 | stoned | crap |
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| 14:30.51 | stoned | I need to buy another disk, i've got 200gb to convert to xfs, but its ram usage scares me |
| 14:31.05 | stoned | should I be worried if I have 1gb ram and 250gb xfs disk |
| 14:31.26 | xored | which dhcp server for "router appcliation" should i use ? |
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| 14:32.02 | pitillo | ummm thanks liable. I dont know what is autofs. I?ll read about it. I have a fresh sarge install and in the old woody dont remember something like that. :) |
| 14:32.11 | abrotman | xored: huh ? |
| 14:32.22 | xored | abrotman: ? |
| 14:32.30 | liable | lol?? |
| 14:32.41 | abrotman | xored: you want a dhcp server for a router? |
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| 14:32.49 | Bardamu | hello |
| 14:33.09 | Bardamu | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu --> lol |
| 14:33.39 | xored | abrotman: iam running a debian box as an router, but without dhcp right now. NOw i want to set up a dhcp server to use dhcp for the clients |
| 14:33.57 | liable | pitillo: hrm, if its sarge, surprising that its happening. |
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| 14:34.38 | Bardamu | i am on debian but i have not a terminal |
| 14:35.34 | abrotman | xored: the regular dhcp server should work fine .. apt-cache search dhcpd |
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| 14:36.47 | xored | abrotman: is it "easy" to configure or lets say, is there a good configuration inside / should i use an alternative? *sorry for asking again* |
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| 14:38.12 | stoned | don't be sorry for asking, but just think bout what you ask before you ask it, thats more important |
| 14:38.17 | stoned | :) |
| 14:38.59 | abrotman | xored: i've had decent success with the dhcp3-server .. wasn't too hard to setup |
| 14:39.27 | xored | so better use the dhcp3-server ? |
| 14:39.40 | xored | are there any goot tutorials to go thorugh for it ? |
| 14:39.45 | abrotman | the package `dhcp` is the dhcp2-server ... |
| 14:39.55 | abrotman | xored: there are docs in /usr/share/doc/dhcp3-server/* |
| 14:40.06 | abrotman | xored: setting up a dhcp server isn't that hard |
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| 14:42.34 | xored | abrotman: thank you very much, i`ll try |
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| 14:42.46 | abrotman | ack! |
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| 14:42.58 | jbroome | SYN |
| 14:42.58 | Stevie | syn ack |
| 14:43.01 | xored | ACK! |
| 14:43.09 | Dazgard | hi |
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| 14:43.17 | xored | guys stop, i have this "game" in my university :) |
| 14:43.37 | dazjorz | ..? |
| 14:43.58 | Dazgard | im trying to compile an app and here is the error : cc1: warnings being treated as errors |
| 14:44.05 | Dazgard | how can i solve that please ? |
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| 14:44.23 | Dazgard | warning beeing treated like errors |
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| 14:45.37 | Shadowcat | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg still isn't fixed |
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| 14:46.20 | stoned | hadn't seen perfdave in a while |
| 14:46.39 | stoned | long while |
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| 14:53.17 | xored | abrotman: hehe, it tooks 4 minutes ;) |
| 14:53.17 | xored | abrotman: just the last thing, maybe easy to answer for you : how can i let him give an specific mac an specific ip ? |
| 14:53.23 | abrotman | see! |
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| 14:53.36 | abrotman | xored_: that i never tried .. but i think the docs cover that |
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| 15:00.48 | darrh00 | where can I find a suspend2 patched kernel image deb? |
| 15:01.58 | smacnay | Are the latest Xorg updates in "testing" going to work with the nvidia drivers provided in "testing"? Has anyone updated their testing platform to the xorg 7.0.x and had their nvidia drivers update successfully (enabling 3d accel)? |
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| 15:02.36 | netcrash | Hello , anyone know a software that can read autocad files ? |
| 15:02.46 | streuner | xored_: /etc/dhpcp3/dhcpd.conf - host <label> { hardware ethernet <MAC>; fixed-address <ip or fqdn>; } |
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| 15:04.16 | streuner | xored_: look at this too: http://www.pro-linux.de/work/server/andere/dhcpd.html |
| 15:04.25 | petemc | xored_: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/adddhcp.pl.txt is a script use that does that, amongst other things |
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| 15:05.52 | o0-0o | hi |
| 15:06.39 | o0-0o | hi, is there any way that i can package the kernel modules, so I don't have to compile them on every install ? |
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| 15:10.24 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 15:10.29 | abrotman | !m-a |
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| 15:10.35 | jetscreamer | him go byebye |
| 15:10.42 | streuner | he is gone |
| 15:10.49 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner |
| 15:10.55 | streuner | hi |
| 15:11.01 | jetscreamer | zup |
| 15:11.06 | amee2k | i want to set up a server and reliability is my primary concern, however i need features not yet found in the stable release (most notably large file support for apache and an ftp server). is it better to use the backports repo in stable, or installing the testing release? |
| 15:11.26 | jetscreamer | backports for a server imo just to be safe |
| 15:11.29 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 15:11.31 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 15:11.51 | streuner | backports aren't supported... |
| 15:11.56 | dpkg | i guess module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 15:11.58 | streuner | nor security fixes.. |
| 15:11.58 | dpkg | bonjour |
| 15:12.10 | abrotman | amee2k: other FTPDs have large file support |
| 15:12.11 | xored_ | abrotman: fine, got everythign running. Really clear and easy syntac of that server, thank you for the recomandation |
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| 15:12.21 | mx-12 | is the installation of debian easy? |
| 15:12.23 | abrotman | xored_: see .. i'm not crazy! |
| 15:12.26 | abrotman | mx-12: i think so |
| 15:12.29 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 15:12.36 | jetscreamer | and rapid |
| 15:12.37 | JoelR | One question, i have a directory called /home/test whose directories that are inside it, are owned by root:staff ... i need a normal user like 'foo', can write in all directories below /home/test ... but ONLY below /home/test and not in other place.. what could i do? |
| 15:12.43 | jdv79 | if i install debian from scratch do i have to manually update to get it up-to-date? |
| 15:12.44 | erudified | Personally, I run testing on servers where I need features I can't find in stable |
| 15:12.45 | streuner | mx-12: well, we aren't Einstein's and we installed debian too... |
| 15:13.00 | jetscreamer | chown /home/test something |
| 15:13.11 | mx-12 | i get dissapointed with most Linux Distros |
| 15:13.15 | jetscreamer | and/or chmod |
| 15:13.22 | jetscreamer | enable the group writing |
| 15:13.22 | amee2k | mx-12: not as easy as windows install, i guess |
| 15:13.32 | abrotman | jdv79: eh .. as opposed to .. waht? |
| 15:14.00 | JoelR | jetscreamer, i thought in that, but the problem is that group "staff" has writing permissions in others directories where i DON'T want the user 'foo' can write.. |
| 15:14.37 | erudified | Are there any Debian laptop users around? |
| 15:14.38 | jetscreamer | JoelR: change staff to some other group |
| 15:14.52 | erudified | I'm wondering how much of a pain in the ass it is to get suspend working on a centrino rig |
| 15:14.57 | jetscreamer | chown -R user:group /home/test |
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| 15:15.22 | amee2k | hm... how 'stable' is testing actually? |
| 15:15.46 | jetscreamer | very imo, for a desktop |
| 15:15.58 | jetscreamer | there are times... |
| 15:16.17 | jdv79 | abrotman: just checking |
| 15:16.29 | jdv79 | someone thought an install used latest pkgs... |
| 15:16.32 | abrotman | jdv79: s this on sarge? |
| 15:16.41 | jdv79 | i suppose - i don't know really |
| 15:16.44 | jetscreamer | jdv79: if a netinst it should |
| 15:16.47 | jdv79 | either sarge or woddy |
| 15:16.52 | abrotman | jdv79: if you use the netinst .. it will grab many of the newer packages for sarge .. if not all |
| 15:17.15 | jdv79 | but install plus update is never a bad idea, right? |
| 15:17.17 | JoelR | jetscreamer: for example the group that user 'foo' is member of? |
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| 15:17.33 | jdv79 | it is a netinst from a local mirror |
| 15:17.47 | jetscreamer | JoelR: yeah, or you could create a new group and adduser users to it |
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| 15:19.15 | amee2k | think i'm gonna give testing a try |
| 15:19.17 | streuner | hm |
| 15:20.10 | jetscreamer | just keep in mind it's called testing for a reason :) |
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| 15:20.30 | amee2k | yea |
| 15:20.32 | jetscreamer | !apt-listbugs |
| 15:20.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-listbugs is a tool currently specific to sid that queries the BTS (/msg apt bts) for known bugs pertaining to packages you try to install... if you then find the bugs to be serious enough, you may choose to hold the old package untill you know the bug is fixed (/msg apt hold) ... to get it, simply "apt-get install apt-listbugs", its a must have tool for all sid users! |
| 15:20.40 | jetscreamer | ah sid only nm |
| 15:21.38 | jetscreamer | it could be more selective abnout the br's it reports imo, but that might be a function of the bug db |
| 15:22.04 | jetscreamer | ab-nout, man |
| 15:22.40 | amee2k | well, when its considered stable enough for production desktop it should be worth a try |
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| 15:26.00 | beered | Is it possible to create/generate tasselations on Linux? I need to create a few for the school, and I don't want to use other OS just for this one stupid task. |
| 15:26.08 | iKnowNot | I'm having problems getting ipw2200 to work in debian |
| 15:26.19 | beered | iKnowNot: yes? |
| 15:26.38 | iKnowNot | beered: apt-cache search tessalations (spelt correctly) |
| 15:27.04 | beered | iKnowNot: cool. now what's your ipw2200 problem? I have it running with testing/WPA2 just fine. |
| 15:27.39 | iKnowNot | the module loads properly, with the firmware etc, but doesn't add a "handle" ie lo, eth0, wlan0 |
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| 15:28.16 | iKnowNot | and I have never had to add a network device manually before |
| 15:28.20 | beered | iKnowNot: ipw2200 is eth1, not wlan0. your firmware has to match your module version. In other words, you can't use module v2 and firmware v3. |
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| 15:28.41 | iKnowNot | yes, firmware and driver version are correct |
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| 15:28.48 | mcgreg | heya |
| 15:28.50 | iKnowNot | I don't get a eth1 listed |
| 15:29.02 | xored_ | abrotman: dhcp is ready, last thing is a DNS server, cause the DNS servers of my provider are SO slow. Any tips ? :) |
| 15:29.03 | MEDVED | ÝÝÝÝÝ ÍÀÕ!!! |
| 15:29.04 | mcgreg | since last cups update (from today) my printer doesnt work anymore |
| 15:29.16 | beered | iKnowNot: by the way, there are no tessalation packages in apt-cache. |
| 15:29.31 | mcgreg | anyone recognised something similiar |
| 15:29.32 | mcgreg | ? |
| 15:29.33 | beered | iKnowNot: give me versions of both. |
| 15:29.36 | erudified | beered, hey, do you have ACPI (suspend-to-ram) working well on your laptop? |
| 15:29.41 | humboldt | is there a seperat debian branch for amd64 (xeon)? |
| 15:29.48 | beered | erudified: no. |
| 15:29.55 | stew | !amd64 |
| 15:29.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 15:29.57 | abrotman | xored_: bind defaults to caching .. but also .. try dnsmasq |
| 15:30.00 | abrotman | !dnsmasq |
| 15:30.05 | abrotman | !info dnsmasq sarge |
| 15:30.25 | pitillo | liable, then portmap is a required package by autofs? |
| 15:30.29 | erudified | beered =( is it because of lack of trying? |
| 15:30.36 | erudified | or really a pain in the nuts? |
| 15:30.46 | beered | erudified: no, I just didn't tried it yet. |
| 15:31.01 | iKnowNot | beered: glunewtess |
| 15:31.10 | erudified | ahh, cool |
| 15:31.19 | beered | iKnowNot: what? |
| 15:31.24 | erudified | I'm just taking notes for when my 600M arrives |
| 15:31.31 | erudified | apparently S3 works well with it |
| 15:31.37 | pitillo | liable, Im not using autofs too. I dont know how to fix that. |
| 15:31.42 | xored_ | !dnsmasq |
| 15:32.03 | xored_ | !info dnsmasq sarge |
| 15:32.14 | abrotman | xored_: the bot is running in delayed mode |
| 15:32.18 | abrotman | ~info dnsmasq sarge |
| 15:32.22 | xored_ | ok |
| 15:32.28 | iKnowNot | beered: nm I thought it was a tessalation package I installed a while ago |
| 15:32.53 | beered | iKnowNot: on Debian? |
| 15:32.56 | xored_ | abrotman: what means "bind defaults caching". Iam not that experienced in DNS |
| 15:33.05 | beered | iKnowNot: anyways, what versions of ipw firmware and modules you have? |
| 15:33.21 | blondie | he doesn't know |
| 15:33.51 | abrotman | xored_: you might be able to get away with just dnsmasq |
| 15:35.17 | iKnowNot | beered: driver 1.1.2, fw 3.0 |
| 15:35.20 | humboldt | So I would run the i386 version of sarge on x86_64?! |
| 15:35.30 | beered | iKnowNot: that will never work dude. |
| 15:35.30 | humboldt | Are there any plans for sid? |
| 15:35.31 | pipeline | humboldt: Of course. |
| 15:35.41 | pipeline | humboldt: You're better off running the i386 version in any case. |
| 15:35.42 | humboldt | pipeline: how about speed? |
| 15:35.54 | pipeline | humboldt: Not an issue. |
| 15:36.01 | beered | iKnowNot: follow me step-by-step. we have just 4 min to do this. ok? |
| 15:36.09 | humboldt | pipeline: why is that? Am I better of running the i386 version on any distro? |
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| 15:36.22 | iKnowNot | beered: pm? |
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| 15:36.42 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 15:36.45 | beered | iKnowNot: no, I have 3 minutes left. just follow me ok? |
| 15:36.47 | dazjorz | Is there a program like PHPMyAdmin for SQLite? |
| 15:36.49 | iKnowNot | k |
| 15:36.52 | humboldt | pipeline: is that because x86_64 compilers are not as stable as the i386 versions are? |
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| 15:37.29 | beered | iKnowNot: get firmware version 2 from the website. install it. than type this: |
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| 15:38.03 | beered | iKnowNot: m-a prepare & m-a -f get ipw2200-source ieee80211-source |
| 15:38.26 | beered | iKnowNot: m-a a-i ipe2200 ipw2200 ie80211 |
| 15:38.37 | beered | iKnowNot: then edit your wpa_supplicant.config in /etc/ |
| 15:38.39 | iKnowNot | beered: m-a? |
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| 15:38.50 | humboldt | I had a very unstable FC5 x86_64 installation. And anyhow, I have to tell you all, evey once in a while I go out and try all the mayor distros around and that drives me right back into Debians opened arms!!!! |
| 15:39.08 | beered | iKnowNot: yes, m-a. do you have it installed? |
| 15:39.24 | erudified | I wouldn't mind Ubuntu if it didn't try to protect me from myself |
| 15:39.28 | beered | iKnowNot: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 15:39.29 | iKnowNot | beered: not yet |
| 15:39.34 | beered | iKnowNot: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 15:39.42 | humboldt | I ask myself about the stability of SuSE and RedHats Enterprise Server distros. Their latest open distros surely suck! |
| 15:40.09 | iKnowNot | done |
| 15:40.24 | beered | iKnowNot: ok. go to step 1 now. |
| 15:40.44 | dazjorz | erudified: Must be because Ubuntu comes from Debian. :-) |
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| 15:41.06 | cr3 | which package might contain the echo server? |
| 15:41.13 | iKnowNot | done |
| 15:41.23 | beered | iKnowNot: where are you at now? |
| 15:41.40 | iKnowNot | beered: ipw2200-source failed |
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| 15:41.58 | beered | iKnowNot: are you on testing? |
| 15:42.14 | beered | I guess I should have asked that first :) |
| 15:42.19 | iKnowNot | no |
| 15:42.23 | iKnowNot | lol |
| 15:42.29 | beered | iKnowNot: oh, shit. what are you using then?> |
| 15:42.35 | beered | iKnowNot: stable? |
| 15:42.42 | iKnowNot | sorry, I am apparntly |
| 15:42.49 | iKnowNot | thought I was on stable |
| 15:42.51 | beered | iKnowNot: ok, ok... lets dist upgrade to testing. |
| 15:43.03 | iKnowNot | done |
| 15:43.13 | iKnowNot | at testing (serious) |
| 15:43.20 | beered | iKnowNot: that's very fast. |
| 15:43.38 | iKnowNot | one package upgrade (tasksel) |
| 15:44.02 | iKnowNot | beered: yes I am using recent deb mirror |
| 15:44.24 | beered | iKnowNot: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change the word stable to testing. |
| 15:44.46 | beered | iKnowNot: leave your security updates as-is, don't edit that. |
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| 15:45.00 | iKnowNot | beered: I'm at testing, trust me |
| 15:45.14 | beered | iKnowNot: ok, try m-a -f get ipw2200 |
| 15:45.20 | beered | iKnowNot: ok, try m-a -f get ipw2200-source |
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| 15:45.32 | [Thom] | How do I mount a hard disk and make it mount even when the machine reboots? |
| 15:45.43 | beered | thingfish: edit your fstab |
| 15:45.45 | iKnowNot | beered: same error |
| 15:45.56 | thingfish | beered: you meant [Thom] |
| 15:46.01 | John-Z | Has anyone installed daemontools under debian? |
| 15:46.10 | beered | thingfish: yes, sorry. |
| 15:46.15 | thingfish | ;) |
| 15:46.21 | baroni | Does anybody experienced xgl and window maker ? |
| 15:46.27 | baroni | (toghether) |
| 15:46.36 | iKnowNot | beered: one sec, trying another kernel |
| 15:47.00 | beered | iKnowNot: what kernel do you have now? |
| 15:47.26 | iKnowNot | beered: 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 15:47.30 | beered | iKnowNot: kernel has nothing to do with getting source packages with m-a. Your sources might be messed up. What you got in there? |
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| 15:47.33 | iKnowNot | and it is now working |
| 15:48.06 | beered | is that a new machine? |
| 15:48.09 | [Thom] | What is the common name of a secondary hard disk? It's not hdd is it? |
| 15:48.10 | iKnowNot | beered: now have two more daptors, eth1 and sit0 |
| 15:48.16 | [Thom] | er hda |
| 15:48.39 | iKnowNot | beered: yeah, fresh install and a dist-upgrade to testing |
| 15:48.49 | beered | iKnowNot: ok, now do "m-a a-i ipw2200 ieee80211 |
| 15:49.02 | iKnowNot | beered: it's working already |
| 15:49.11 | thingfish | [Thom]: use fdisk -l to help figure out which one it is. |
| 15:49.19 | beered | iKnowNot: lsmod | grep ipw2200 |
| 15:49.23 | iKnowNot | beered: is this to go to a l8r driver? |
| 15:49.39 | [Thom] | thingfish: Thanks |
| 15:49.44 | thingfish | np |
| 15:49.59 | beered | iKnowNot: it's using version 2. it's not the latest but it works just fine. that's what I use at home with WPA2. |
| 15:50.03 | iKnowNot | iKnowNot: driver version ipw2200 is 1.0.8 |
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| 15:50.32 | beered | iKnowNot: lsmod | grep ipw2200 |
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| 15:51.05 | beered | iKnowNot: of course, you downloaded and installed version 2 firmware as I asked you in step 1, right? |
| 15:51.30 | iKnowNot | beered: ipw2200, iee80211, fireware_class |
| 15:51.36 | iKnowNot | beered: not yet |
| 15:51.43 | beered | iKnowNot: ok, you are almost there. download and install the firmware. BBL. |
| 15:51.54 | John-Z | Im trying to compile something.. so I type 'exec make' and it says not found. |
| 15:51.56 | beered | iKnowNot: ipw2200 is eth1, by the way. |
| 15:51.56 | John-Z | Am I missing something. |
| 15:51.57 | iKnowNot | beered: k thanks heaps |
| 15:52.02 | beered | iKnowNot: np. take care. |
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| 15:52.14 | iKnowNot | beered: eth2 is |
| 15:52.22 | iKnowNot | beered: u2 |
| 15:52.58 | thingfish | !wayc John-Z |
| 15:52.58 | dpkg | John-Z: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 15:53.09 | John-Z | Installing daemontools |
| 15:53.25 | John-Z | !wayc |
| 15:53.25 | dpkg | hmm... wayc is Why Are You Compiling (instead of using apt-get) |
| 15:53.31 | John-Z | hah. |
| 15:53.45 | thingfish | John-Z: usually compiling goes like ./configure && make && make install |
| 15:54.17 | dazjorz | John-Z: New to linux, eh. |
| 15:54.45 | [Thom] | thingfish: fdisk -l returned nothing |
| 15:54.51 | dazjorz | John-Z: Read the README or INSTALL files, that's what they are for. ;-) |
| 15:55.14 | thingfish | [Thom]: did you execute it as root? |
| 15:55.34 | [Thom] | thingfish: Yes. This is a different physical drive which isn't mounted at the moment. I'm trying to find out what it's name is. |
| 15:56.01 | thingfish | [Thom]: try dmesg | grep hd |
| 15:56.05 | John-Z | There are no install instructions. |
| 15:56.08 | John-Z | Besides online. |
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| 15:56.35 | John-Z | It says to simply run the install script |
| 15:56.55 | John-Z | The install scripts cd's to the compile dir and then runs 'exec make' |
| 15:56.58 | John-Z | make is not found. |
| 15:57.00 | John-Z | so? |
| 15:57.19 | [Thom] | thingfish: Okay, it looks like it's 'hdb' but here is something weird. The directory I had that mounted to before the reboot (/big) is still active... just empty. What gives? |
| 15:58.01 | thingfish | [Thom]: well of course the dir stays there - it doesn't go away when it's not mounted, it's just "empty" like you've noticed. |
| 15:58.59 | [Thom] | thingfish: Okay good. So how do i find out the filesystem type on that drive so I can mount it? |
| 15:59.21 | thingfish | [Thom]: what's installed on the drive/partition? |
| 15:59.22 | dn4 | is there a way that I can get a script to synthize the speech in xchat that is going on right now? |
| 15:59.41 | [Thom] | thingfish: Mostly data. Sourcecode, mp3's, etc.. |
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| 16:00.12 | United | I just setup 3.1r2 and when it trys to load it spamms grub. so i put in the cd and put in rescure root=/dev/hda2 3 and it cant find the kernel... any ideas? |
| 16:00.19 | thingfish | [Thom]: saved to the hard drive from within windows? |
| 16:00.37 | [Thom] | No, it's a linux partition. |
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| 16:01.03 | [Thom] | thingfish: I was using it for a while, but when I rebooted my machine it didn't remount itself. |
| 16:02.25 | thingfish | [Thom]: you didn't make any changes that would affect the drive, and now it's not being seen? |
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| 16:02.46 | [Thom] | Right, well I don't think I set it up to mount itself when I reboot. |
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| 16:02.58 | thingfish | and I'd assume it'd be ext3, at least that would be a safe place to start. |
| 16:03.12 | [Thom] | I think you are right, that sounds familliar. |
| 16:03.41 | thingfish | so you can try defining it now in fstab. |
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| 16:04.59 | jmck | dpkg nvidia |
| 16:04.59 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 16:05.50 | John-Z | apt-get build-essentials |
| 16:06.02 | John-Z | That should install a comiler, correct? |
| 16:06.02 | [Thom] | thingfish: Once I do that, then what do I do to get the drive mounted? |
| 16:06.14 | thingfish | John-Z: drop the final 's' |
| 16:06.24 | thingfish | [Thom]: mount -a |
| 16:06.24 | cbr | that should output an error |
| 16:06.28 | uwe | hello, ive just tried to do an upgrade for me debian etch, and trying to upgrade xdm requires removing gnome !! any one knows why? any work arounds? |
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| 16:06.53 | jmck | dpkg nvidia installer |
| 16:06.54 | dpkg | nvidia-installer is, like, a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 16:07.23 | United | I just setup 3.1r2 and when it trys to load it spamms grub grub grub. so i put in the cd and put in rescue root=/dev/hda2 3 and it cant find the kernel so then i tried linux root=/dev/hda2 3 and i get a disk error 32... any ideas? this is a fresh install.. |
| 16:07.27 | uwe | and xdm doesnt run on startup anymore, the script cant find /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm and it quits silently |
| 16:07.30 | tombs | hi all |
| 16:07.41 | lws | anybody familiar with DVDRECORD on kernel 2.6? |
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| 16:07.49 | stew | uwe: /msg dpkg bat |
| 16:07.59 | xored_ | anybody knows a good bind tutorial / howto ? |
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| 16:09.00 | uwe | thanks stew |
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| 16:09.56 | lws | I can't seem to get dvdrecord to work at all. dvdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus just errors out |
| 16:10.20 | lws | Says it cannot open the SCSI driver. |
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| 16:11.06 | kronoz | is X.org 7 in Testing? |
| 16:11.26 | uwe | the output of apt-get and apt-cache policy is --> http://channels.debian.net/paste/2760 |
| 16:11.46 | Hagbard_Ub | http://www.aaronrules.com/uploaded_images/emo%20emu%20jared%20hindman-728648.jpg |
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| 16:13.49 | thingfish | kronoz: http://wiki.debian.org/Status |
| 16:13.51 | [Thom] | thingfish: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, |
| 16:14.06 | iKnowNot | who said getting wireless to work in linux is hard... :S |
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| 16:14.40 | thingfish | [Thom]: paste that one line in fstab into here. |
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| 16:15.18 | ricky_clarkson | iKnowNot: It's flummoxing me. |
| 16:15.28 | ricky_clarkson | iKnowNot: ieee80211 doesn't seem to be available in sarge. |
| 16:15.39 | ricky_clarkson | And compiling it gives errors. |
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| 16:16.41 | iKnowNot | ricky_clarkson: what kernel version and release? |
| 16:16.55 | John-Z | hrmm.. |
| 16:17.15 | ricky_clarkson | iKnowNot: 2.6.16-1-686 from backports. |
| 16:17.15 | [Thom] | thingfish: /dev/hdb1 /big ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 16:17.21 | John-Z | gcc: unrecognized option '-02' |
| 16:17.30 | John-Z | should gcc -02 work? |
| 16:17.40 | thingfish | [Thom]: the line looks fine. |
| 16:17.53 | jmck | [11:13] <iKnowNot> who said getting wireless to work in linux is hard... :S |
| 16:17.55 | jmck | i did |
| 16:17.58 | ricky_clarkson | iKnowNot: There was some reason that I had to use 2.6.8 or higher, but I don't recall it. ;) |
| 16:18.00 | jmck | i can suck |
| 16:18.11 | jmck | it* |
| 16:18.14 | [Thom] | thingfish: I guessed at /dev/hdb1 It could be something else? |
| 16:18.14 | XPSlammer | John-Z: use your knowledge of unix development and C compiling to come up with a definitive answer. |
| 16:18.25 | iKnowNot | jmck: was joking btw |
| 16:18.25 | thingfish | [Thom]: I still find it odd that fdisk -l doesn't show the drive. I was under the impression that fdisk showed all physical hard drives, mounted or not. |
| 16:18.30 | fluxdude | I'm trying to run some php code on debian gnu/linux, but mysql_pconnect and mysql_connect appear to be missing, shouldn't these functions come with the standard php distribution? |
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| 16:18.40 | John-Z | XPSlammer: Unfortunately my knowledge in that area is slim. |
| 16:18.44 | John-Z | I rarely compile. |
| 16:18.44 | jair | anyone here familiar with screen? |
| 16:18.59 | John-Z | I've used screen. |
| 16:19.02 | jair | I am using it and playing with it, but think couple of things I am doing wrong |
| 16:19.04 | John-Z | Whats going on? |
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| 16:19.14 | jair | or I am a troll that does not understand the man pages |
| 16:19.18 | jmck | why did i have to build a kernel to get nvidia working? |
| 16:19.19 | stew | uwe: you might try an "apt-get dist-upgrade" and see if you get more favorable results |
| 16:19.28 | [Thom] | thingfish: I hope this drive isn't damaged... |
| 16:19.36 | thingfish | [Thom]: I bet it is. |
| 16:19.38 | stew | uwe: or "apt-get install xdm gnome-core gnome-applets" etc so that those are also upgraded |
| 16:19.43 | jair | John-Z: ok I know how to create the session, how to attach to it |
| 16:19.52 | [Thom] | thingfish: Why do you say that? How can I tell? |
| 16:20.04 | thingfish | [Thom]: reboot the machine, enter BIOS, see if it's seen there. |
| 16:20.05 | jair | John-Z: now to create a new window within the same session? |
| 16:20.29 | iKnowNot | thingfish: i've noticed that linux doesn't pay much attention to the bios |
| 16:20.38 | [Thom] | It was in the dmesg | grep hd |
| 16:20.45 | jair | John-Z: I know that if I try to use ctrl+a twice I can switch between windows. |
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| 16:21.30 | thingfish | [Thom]: dunno. |
| 16:21.46 | John-Z | Check this out, should give you some pointers. |
| 16:21.48 | jair | John-Z: checking in google? |
| 16:21.48 | John-Z | http://www.zorg.org/linux/screen.shtml |
| 16:21.56 | John-Z | Busy at work actually. |
| 16:21.57 | thingfish | stew: fdisk -l will show all physical drives and partitions, right? |
| 16:22.01 | jair | haha |
| 16:22.03 | jair | ok |
| 16:22.06 | jair | thank you though |
| 16:22.51 | jair | thingfish: you can do also cfdisk /dev/hda or hdb |
| 16:23.00 | jair | thingfish: you will like it |
| 16:23.05 | thingfish | thanks jair |
| 16:23.18 | [Thom] | thinngfish okay it's there |
| 16:23.26 | [Thom] | cfdisk /dev/hdb shows it |
| 16:23.33 | stew | thingfish: it lists all partitions for drives listed in /proc/partitions |
| 16:23.50 | thingfish | good, then you must've just got either the partition # wrong, or the fs type. |
| 16:23.58 | stew | thingfish: which is all known drives. it of course wouldn't include things like a usb drive if you don't have usb-storage loaded... |
| 16:23.59 | thingfish | stew: thanks |
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| 16:24.05 | thingfish | right |
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| 16:24.38 | [Thom] | thingfish: I got it. It was an ex2 filesystem, not ex3 |
| 16:24.45 | [Thom] | WHEW |
| 16:25.05 | [Thom] | thingfish: Thanks for your help |
| 16:25.09 | thingfish | [Thom]: I was thinking it might've been damaged, because I was thinking it was working fine, then you rebooted, and didn't mount automatically anymore. |
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| 16:25.18 | thingfish | my pleasure, [Thom] |
| 16:25.41 | [Thom] | thingfish: So it should mount automatically now since it's in the fstab file, right? |
| 16:25.51 | thingfish | [Thom]: yep |
| 16:26.29 | uwe | stew, :D thank you ! apt-get dist-upgrade worked just fine :D |
| 16:27.05 | jmck | so that is why broke I2C |
| 16:27.13 | FarrisG | Anyone know how to view a PCL print file? |
| 16:28.32 | United | i setup my partitions and then it goes right into base install.. is this correct? |
| 16:29.53 | stew | uwe: dist-upgrade is like upgrade but it will also be willing to install or remove other packages in order to satisfy dependencies. likely what was going on was that because of the xorg 6.9->7 some x libs were being replaced |
| 16:30.36 | uwe | aah ... ic ... i thought its only used when moving from stable to testing ! |
| 16:30.48 | xored_ | why there is no "nslookup" on debian system ? |
| 16:31.04 | uwe | xored_, there is! |
| 16:31.13 | iKnowNot | how can I force a repository to be trusted by apt? |
| 16:31.38 | xored_ | uwe, which package to install ? |
| 16:31.56 | iKnowNot | xored_: host |
| 16:32.00 | iKnowNot | xored_: apt-get install host |
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| 16:33.40 | js_ | is there a raid level that allows the expanding of a volume with more drives? |
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| 16:33.54 | pipeline | js_: No. |
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| 16:33.57 | pipeline | js_: You use lvm for that. |
| 16:33.59 | iKnowNot | js, 10, 5, 50, 6 |
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| 16:34.13 | pipeline | js_: I usually use lvm to concatenate multiple RAID5 volumes. |
| 16:34.22 | pipeline | js_: You can expand and contract LVM volumes, and move them from array to array. |
| 16:34.36 | pipeline | js_: So you could start with an LVM across two 500G arrays, and upgrade it to three 1000G arrays, later. |
| 16:34.36 | iKnowNot | js_: are you talking about online capisity expansion, or the linux software raid |
| 16:34.44 | js_ | pipeline: yes, i know, but the purpose would be to gain more performance when adding drives, not only storage |
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| 16:34.52 | js_ | iKnowNot: linux software raid |
| 16:35.10 | xored_ | which package povides dig ? |
| 16:35.15 | xored_ | iKnowNot: didnt helped |
| 16:35.16 | iKnowNot | how can I force a repository to be trusted by apt? |
| 16:35.29 | js_ | xored_: dnsutils |
| 16:35.34 | iKnowNot | xored_: what do you need to do? |
| 16:35.35 | sid | iKnowNot: import the gpg key? |
| 16:35.45 | pipeline | js_: uh, yeah, that's a lost cause. Striping doesn't scale :P |
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| 16:35.58 | pipeline | js_: lvm / dm will allow you to do striping, but it's extremely silly. |
| 16:36.13 | js_ | pipeline: yeah, i know |
| 16:36.21 | pipeline | js_: also, I don't believe you can add capacity online to striped dm / lvm volumes. |
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| 16:36.34 | iKnowNot | sid: from? how? |
| 16:36.34 | js_ | i see |
| 16:36.37 | pipeline | js_: You would have to move the lv to a different vg that wasn't striped. |
| 16:36.56 | pipeline | js_: Think about this for a few seconds and it will become obvious why it's hard to add capacity dynamically to a striped vg :P |
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| 16:37.16 | seb- | i've been getting error when i apt-get upgrade against security.debian.org for like a week.. |
| 16:37.19 | js_ | pipeline: yeah, i get it :) |
| 16:37.20 | iKnowNot | (btw, has anyone considered adding an apt-cache search bot to this channel?) |
| 16:37.27 | seb- | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 16:37.27 | seb- | 06:25:39 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 16:37.28 | pipeline | iKnowNot: There is one. |
| 16:37.38 | js_ | pipeline: but lvm doesn't give any reduncancy anyway afaik, so only using it instead of on top of a raid volume isn't really an option |
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| 16:38.38 | pipeline | js_: ... |
| 16:38.53 | pipeline | js_: If you're really concerned about performance, you want to get a dedicated hardware RAID controller and use RAID 0+1. |
| 16:39.02 | stew | seb-: which ip address? and can you show us your deb line from sources.list? |
| 16:39.05 | pipeline | js_: dedicated controllers usually have 128-512M of RAM on-board to serve as cache. |
| 16:39.11 | uwe | whoami |
| 16:39.11 | pipeline | js_: Which, is, uh, needless to say, wicked fucking fast. |
| 16:39.18 | pipeline | js_: And makes a lot more difference than striping. |
| 16:39.19 | uwe | oops... wrong window |
| 16:39.30 | js_ | pipeline: ah, yeah, you're right |
| 16:39.42 | seb- | stew: thanks.... deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 16:39.48 | iKnowNot | pipeline: "howto" use bot? |
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| 16:39.55 | seb- | stew: sarge/updates instead? |
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| 16:40.05 | PlasmaHH | hi, can I tell apt-get somehow to not get a specific package from a specific repo ? |
| 16:40.33 | stew | seb-: that looks correct. what ip is giving you the 404? |
| 16:40.42 | iKnowNot | PlasmaHH: use aptitude to mark the package as held, maybe? |
| 16:40.44 | Tassium | PlasmaHH: Google for apt and pinning |
| 16:41.42 | PlasmaHH | Tassium: I already looked at all the pinning docs. I could only find either pinning for a version, or giving a repo a lower priority, but all still lead to download the package from that repo, since its newer |
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| 16:42.43 | seb- | stew: ok, rerunning script now |
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| 16:43.03 | seb- | stew: apt-get update seems ok |
| 16:43.25 | seb- | stew: Resolving security.debian.org... 194.109.137.218, 128.101.240.212 |
| 16:43.26 | seb- | Connecting to security.debian.org[194.109.137.218]:80... connected. |
| 16:43.26 | seb- | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 16:43.26 | seb- | 09:43:11 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
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| 16:43.39 | seb- | sorry |
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| 16:44.19 | jetx | hey so dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdg will write 0's to my drive? how will it know when to stop... |
| 16:44.21 | seb- | stew: 194.109.137.218:80 is the one |
| 16:44.41 | seb- | jetx: when entire drive is done |
| 16:44.48 | seb- | jetx: it knows how but /dev/hdg is |
| 16:44.53 | seb- | big |
| 16:45.03 | jetx | okie. so my format of the command is proper |
| 16:45.07 | jetx | cool |
| 16:45.09 | jetx | htanks |
| 16:45.22 | amee2k | what version number is current testing? 3.2? |
| 16:46.15 | epsilon | debian 2007 |
| 16:46.27 | amee2k | o.O |
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| 16:46.59 | kronoz | 2007 expected around xmas 2006 o.O |
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| 16:48.05 | stew | seb-: it seems to work for me, are you going through a web proxy? |
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| 16:48.18 | seb- | stew: no |
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| 16:50.02 | stew | seb-: what happens when you try to go to http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/main in a browser? |
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| 16:50.25 | seb- | stew: i bought a virtual machine account on a remote server...maybe they are doing something weird with network there |
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| 16:50.39 | seb- | stew: i'll try w/ lynx |
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| 16:51.48 | seb- | stew: that worked! |
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| 16:53.03 | stew | seb-: its odd that one worked and the other didn't |
| 16:53.22 | seb- | stew: actually i'm using testing on laptop so no security site |
| 16:53.48 | PumpkinPie | seb- why buy virtual ? |
| 16:54.03 | seb- | PumpkinPie: i needed a ASP site |
| 16:54.16 | PumpkinPie | ASP? |
| 16:54.24 | PumpkinPie | ASAP or ASP? |
| 16:54.25 | seb- | PumpkinPie: and wanted root access.. (web app server) |
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| 16:54.33 | abrotman | ASP is ASP .. there are two ASPs though |
| 16:54.43 | abrotman | (more than two actually |
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| 16:55.51 | seb- | stew: now it seems to be working |
| 16:55.59 | seb- | stew: at least i don't get any error messages |
| 16:56.12 | stew | seb-: wait, what exactly is working? apt-get or lynx? |
| 16:57.06 | seb- | stew: oh, wait,,,i think i got it |
| 16:57.33 | seb- | stew: my script does a 'apt-file update' <----barfs on security site |
| 16:57.50 | seb- | stew: apt-get update/upgrade <--- ok on security site |
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| 16:58.09 | Ortolo | hello |
| 16:58.16 | seb- | abrotman: how tell apt-file update NOT to try to go to security site too? |
| 16:58.32 | Ortolo | do someone knnow where the target system is mounted by debian-installer ? |
| 16:58.35 | sigjuice | is there an easy way to get changelog deltas for all packages upgraded by apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 16:58.54 | Ortolo | partman does not see my partition table, so i'll have to mount it by myself... |
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| 16:59.03 | spiral | hello |
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| 16:59.10 | seb- | sigjuice: yes.... |
| 16:59.16 | seb- | sigjuice: just a sec |
| 16:59.28 | spiral | does anyone here know wether kopete 0.12 will be provided in sid even with no new version of kde ? |
| 17:00.14 | seb- | sigjuice: maybe apt-listchanges will do what you want |
| 17:00.37 | seb- | sigjuice: you'll have to install that package |
| 17:00.50 | iKnowNot | ok, any ideas on how to use a repo that doesn't have a gpg key? |
| 17:01.42 | iKnowNot | how can I force a repository to be trusted by apt without a gpg key for that repo |
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| 17:01.58 | ma3x | ma3x@localhost:~$ btdownloadgui |
| 17:01.59 | ma3x | wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly. |
| 17:02.01 | ma3x | why's that? |
| 17:02.08 | ma3x | I have already all the dependency packages installed |
| 17:02.24 | sid | ma3x: dpkg -al|grep -v ii |
| 17:02.40 | sid | ma3x: dpkg -al|grep -v ^ii |
| 17:03.08 | js_ | my logs are getting totally spammed with this after i created a raid5 array of 9 drives: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ccaV5V56.html .. what can be wrong? |
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| 17:03.48 | js_ | ah damn.. one drive is faulty |
| 17:04.03 | abrotman | seb-: you want it to go there |
| 17:04.10 | iKnowNot | js_: lucky it was raid 5 |
| 17:04.23 | e2ven | Is there a way to install a single package from unstable, without updating the entire distro? I know it must be a FAQ, but I didn't find it. |
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| 17:04.46 | stew | e2ven: are you running stable or testing? |
| 17:04.47 | blondie | !tell e2ven about backports |
| 17:05.09 | sigjuice | seb-: looks like apt-listchanges wants deb files. Ideally I'd be able to do apt-get -XX dist-upgrade and get a list of what changed on the system. |
| 17:05.15 | Youpi | this is a sock4 proxy |
| 17:05.15 | e2ven | 3.1, stable. |
| 17:05.17 | Youpi | ;) |
| 17:05.22 | Youpi | oops, sorry |
| 17:05.24 | Youpi | no scroll |
| 17:05.33 | e2ven | I'll take a look at backports. Thanks. |
| 17:05.50 | stew | e2ven: you want backports then, you really don't want to install packages from testing/unstable onto stable (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 17:06.19 | stew | ma3x: what version of debian? what does "readlink -f $(which btdownloadgui)" say? |
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| 17:06.41 | e2ven | Hrmm.. I want to install java-gcj-compat, but backports.org doesn't show it when I do a search. |
| 17:07.03 | stew | e2ven: you could try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:07.19 | e2ven | I will thanks. I'm sorry for my ignorance. |
| 17:07.27 | ma3x | stew, sid ; /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado |
| 17:07.47 | seb- | sigjuice: isn't that what -u switch is for? |
| 17:08.16 | cluck | hi all |
| 17:08.20 | sid | Hey cluck |
| 17:09.23 | stew | ma3x: please pastebin the output or "apt-cache policy bittornado-gui python-wxgtk2.6 python-wxversion" |
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| 17:10.27 | ma3x | stew, http://pastebin.com/762782 |
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| 17:11.55 | ma3x | stew, otherwise I have installed a wxGTK version in my /home/ma3x/wxGTK. but that has nothing to do with python I guess |
| 17:12.04 | Ortolo | is the taget system mounted on /target or something like this, by the debian-installer ? |
| 17:12.13 | stew | ma3x: checked the bts? |
| 17:12.23 | ma3x | stew, nope |
| 17:13.03 | stew | ma3x: check it. you also might try to --reinstall those two python-wx packages, but i dunno, otherwise time to reportbug maybe |
| 17:13.13 | United | question i just installed sarge 3.1.r2 and i installed grub but when i go to finish the install it restarts and then a million texts of 'grub' appear... what do i do now? |
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| 17:15.16 | ma3x | stew, bug nr. 13 for bittornado-gui |
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| 17:16.13 | ma3x | stew, this bug is since the Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006...... now a patch has been provided. what should I do? |
| 17:16.29 | stew | ma3x: what is the bug#? |
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| 17:18.05 | ma3x | stew, 354184 |
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| 17:20.13 | stew | ma3x: what version of libfreetype6 do you have installed? |
| 17:20.20 | welp | anyone here used open-xchange? |
| 17:20.35 | ma3x | stew, 2.2.1-2 |
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| 17:21.56 | stew | ma3x: i'm not sure, you could try the patch at the top of that bug. you also might post a followup to that bug indicating that you are also seeing the problem |
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| 17:22.29 | ekix | hi. is debian installer beta2 for etch universally broken on all architectures concerning disk partitioning? |
| 17:23.00 | ma3x | stew, but how do I apply that patch ? do I put that text in a file? |
| 17:23.06 | ekix | i installed a month or two ago etch into my alpha xp1000 and the beta2 installer worked just fine, but now it does not detect disks anymore |
| 17:23.16 | ekix | sarge installer works just fine though |
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| 17:24.31 | ma3x | stew, if they have put that bug in the resolved bugs section, then why didn't they update the package? |
| 17:25.15 | ma3x | stew, can you guide me please on how to apply that patch? |
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| 17:25.52 | stew | ma3x: 0.3.13-2 was supposed to fix it, when 0.3.13-2 was uploaded with "Closes: " inthe changelog the bug was automatically marked as resolved |
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| 17:26.59 | jetscreamer | is this an error, or is it just finished. no prompt came back. dd: writing to `/dev/hdg': No space left on device |
| 17:27.12 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
| 17:27.19 | jetscreamer | it just took a hwile for it to come back |
| 17:27.37 | jetscreamer | 13702348800 bytes (14 GB) copied, 2377.69 seconds, 5.8 MB/s |
| 17:27.48 | Tassium | jetscreamer: It is an error |
| 17:27.55 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 17:28.08 | stew | ma3x: edit /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado ; add those two lines above the "from wxPython.wx import *" but don't actually add the +'s at the beginning of the lines |
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| 17:30.36 | ma3x | stew, I didn't actually understand your instructions. these are the two lines from sys import argv, version, exit |
| 17:30.39 | ma3x | assert version >= '2', "Install Python 2.0 or greater" |
| 17:30.43 | ma3x | What exactly should I do to them? |
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| 17:31.36 | abrotman | #python ? |
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| 17:33.33 | cluck | ma3x: you need to install a version of pithon bigger or iqual to python 2 |
| 17:33.39 | cluck | python |
| 17:33.48 | cluck | stupid typo X) |
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| 17:34.38 | cluck | use 'apt-cache search python' to find a suitable python interpreter |
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| 17:39.57 | daxxar | Hm, when is /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 17:40.03 | daxxar | .. read in, and applied? :p |
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| 17:40.24 | stew | ma3x: the stuff in between the ============ in that bug report is the actual patch. cd /usr/bin ; run "patch -p2" paste that text from the report, then hit ctrl-d twice |
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| 17:41.01 | stew | ma3x: if you read the patch it is just trying to insert 2 lines into the file at line 17 (the lines that have the + are the new lines), i was trying to describe how you could just edit the file yourself and make the same changes |
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| 17:46.11 | borre | how to apt-get python 2.4? |
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| 17:46.31 | stew | borre: apt-get install python2.4 |
| 17:47.05 | ma3x | stew, I added those 2 lines, but it still shows the same error that python is not installed. I added these 2 lines import wxversion |
| 17:47.05 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:47.42 | borre | stew: couldn't find package |
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| 17:48.16 | stew | borre: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:48.34 | borre | dsl something |
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| 17:48.49 | borre | bummer? |
| 17:48.55 | stew | borre: please go to a channel specific for your distribution, we only support debian here |
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| 17:51.33 | rilliam | hey can you guys direct me to a channel that talks about security |
| 17:51.41 | stew | ma3x: what does "readlink -f $(which python)" return? |
| 17:52.31 | cbeok | Does anybody know how one might configure ssh automatic login when the remote server does not have user home directories? |
| 17:52.39 | usn | hi all |
| 17:52.41 | ma3x | stew, /usr/bin/python2.3 |
| 17:52.50 | cr3 | is there an echo server (port 7) implementation readily available in packages? |
| 17:52.56 | ma3x | stew, I can't apply the patch with patch -p2. I get this error: |
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| 17:53.18 | asg | cr3: iirc, inetd implements it internally |
| 17:53.20 | ma3x | can't find file to patch at input line 3 |
| 17:53.21 | ma3x | Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? |
| 17:53.21 | ma3x | The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |--- /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado 2006-02-24 00:27:24.000000000 -0500 |+++ /tmp/btdownloadgui.jim 2006-02-24 00:27:59.000000000 -0500 -------------------------- |
| 17:53.42 | beered | You need to sort out creases for crystal geometries |
| 17:53.48 | beered | oops. sry. |
| 17:53.49 | stew | ma3x: it should have asked you which file to patch, in any case didn't you say you already made the changes? |
| 17:53.55 | cr3 | asg: I'm not seeing any commented line relating to echo in /etc/inetd.conf and I can't find something that looks like an echo server |
| 17:54.06 | stew | ma3x: what does this print: python -c "import sys; print sys.version" | head -1 |
| 17:54.12 | asg | cr3: #echo stream tcp nowait root internal |
| 17:54.12 | asg | #echo dgram udp wait root internal |
| 17:54.25 | asg | cr3: that's what's in my /etc/inetd.conf |
| 17:54.48 | cr3 | asg: weird, not in mine, I'll try it out |
| 17:54.54 | asg | cr3: that's the same on both sarge and sid. Dunno about testing though. |
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| 17:55.51 | ma3x | stew, 2.3.5 (#2, Mar 6 2006, 10:12:24) |
| 17:56.13 | asg | cr3: you might also try 'update-inetd --enable echo' |
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| 17:56.25 | systemerror_ | i have a big problem!!! if i start a program who needs glx then always comes a msg "wait event returned -16" what could it be?? please help me |
| 17:56.33 | cr3 | asg: port seems to be open, now testing :) |
| 17:56.53 | stew | ma3x: then it should be impossible fo you to get the error about needing a python > 2.0 |
| 17:57.02 | stew | ma3x: unless you messed something up in trying to patch it |
| 17:57.23 | ma3x | bbl |
| 17:57.23 | ma3x | stew, thanks |
| 17:57.27 | ma3x | I 'll try to solve it later |
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| 17:59.08 | cr3 | asg: the test from ltp (linux test project) works for echo, thanks |
| 17:59.16 | asg | cr3: you're welcome |
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| 17:59.58 | amee2k | ROOOOFL |
| 18:00.02 | amee2k | "Detect network hardware" |
| 18:00.06 | amee2k | "The following linux kernel modules were detected to match your hardware:" |
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| 18:00.11 | amee2k | "floppy (Linux Floppy)" |
| 18:00.15 | systemerror_ | i have a big problem!!! if i start a program who needs glx then always comes a msg "wait event returned -16" what could it be?? please help me |
| 18:00.26 | Tassium | amee2k: What, you've never heard of 'sneakernet'? |
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| 18:00.40 | amee2k | o.O |
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| 18:03.46 | peppet | amee2k: the one based on gym shoes and floppy was notoriously the first type of local network ;) |
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| 18:04.15 | amee2k | rofl |
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| 18:06.34 | _edwin1 | hi |
| 18:06.43 | _edwin1 | I have problems with my keyboard in xorg |
| 18:07.14 | peter1 | hi, how to set a version that will be kept and used by default? i just installed debian, bash2.05 installed by default, i downloaded bash3 and i would like to set it as default, is there a way to do that (other than modifying symlinks), thanks. |
| 18:07.41 | _edwin1 | recently it just stops accepting keystrokes. No matter what keys I press, nothing happens. I have to use my mouse to start a new X session, and there everything is fine. |
| 18:07.41 | _edwin1 | On the original X instance not even ctrl-alt-backspace, not even ctrl-alt-f1 works |
| 18:08.13 | blondie | peter1: did you apt-get install bash3 ? |
| 18:08.20 | peter1 | yes |
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| 18:11.37 | peter1 | anyone can help me? |
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| 18:14.39 | abrotman | !hold |
| 18:14.39 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 18:15.13 | stoned | abrotman, when do you work? |
| 18:15.21 | stoned | you're always here lol |
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| 18:16.36 | Tassium | stoned: abrotman is really my school project; a conversational bot I wrote in Perl. |
| 18:16.38 | abrotman | stoned: like you're one to talk |
| 18:16.46 | Tassium | Pretty realistic, isn't it? |
| 18:17.00 | stoned | abrotman, hey! ok fine |
| 18:17.01 | stoned | :/ |
| 18:17.09 | abrotman | stoned: i'm working now .. |
| 18:17.20 | asg | abrotman: on your irssi config? |
| 18:17.24 | stoned | lol |
| 18:17.26 | stoned | burn! |
| 18:18.14 | blondie | I apt-get dist-upgraded etch and got Xorg 7.0.0 and stuff, and it still works :O |
| 18:18.50 | stoned | cool |
| 18:18.57 | abrotman | asg: eh .. stupid hardware firewalls suck |
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| 18:19.29 | asg | abrotman: is yours made by Dell or something? |
| 18:19.34 | stoned | abrotman, stupid anything sucks |
| 18:19.43 | Tassium | hardware anything sucks |
| 18:19.43 | abrotman | asg: s-wall |
| 18:19.50 | Tassium | And software is worse. |
| 18:19.59 | stoned | Tassium, then wtf are you doin here? |
| 18:20.12 | Tassium | stoned: Debian sucks LESS ;) |
| 18:20.15 | stoned | ahh |
| 18:20.32 | stoned | of all the evil linux distros, debian is least evil? |
| 18:20.50 | Tassium | I don't really have any complaints about Debian, actually |
| 18:20.57 | stoned | I do |
| 18:21.05 | stoned | I have one major beef with this distro |
| 18:21.10 | stoned | it sucks you in |
| 18:21.14 | stoned | you can't get out, like a tarpit |
| 18:21.15 | stoned | :/ |
| 18:21.17 | Tassium | Except maybe some of the funky-ass version numbers some packages have, that are nigh-impossible to map to the upstream's version |
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| 18:22.31 | cshaman | ahoy |
| 18:22.48 | cshaman | anyone here familiar with lilypond input files? |
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| 18:26.37 | asg | Tassium: at least when you're on a conference call, you can pick your nose |
| 18:26.40 | Vasistha | stoned: do good distros really vary that much in that respect, re: sucking you in? I mean, I think that's more a human comfort thing, getting comfortable with something and not feeling comfortable with a change |
| 18:26.50 | GoAuLd | !xgl |
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| 18:27.00 | stoned | Vasistha, it was a complement to debian, |
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| 18:27.40 | _edwin1 | what happened to dpkg? |
| 18:27.44 | Vasistha | stoned: you still named it as a "major beef" :D But I wouldn't want to leave deb at this point... I've tried a few other things, and debian is just it for me. |
| 18:27.47 | asg | !test |
| 18:27.54 | _edwin1 | it doesn't answer anymore |
| 18:28.05 | asg | _edwin1: gone walkabout |
| 18:28.12 | asg | apt: test |
| 18:28.13 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 18:28.13 | Vasistha | apt: hi |
| 18:28.14 | apt | hello, vasistha |
| 18:28.26 | asg | _edwin1: use apt for now (the factoids are out of date though) |
| 18:28.33 | Vasistha | _edwin1: apt can maybe help you, but its information is a bit out of date |
| 18:28.48 | _edwin1 | thanks |
| 18:29.07 | _edwin1 | apt:hi |
| 18:29.08 | apt | hello, _edwin1 |
| 18:29.11 | stoned | Vasistha, I am sure others were able to tell that I was joking |
| 18:29.32 | asg | dondelelcaro, don_inla1: dpkg is awol |
| 18:29.55 | stoned | Vasistha, there are times when you look into your womans eyes, and you smile, and you say, "I fucking hate you" and its cool |
| 18:30.00 | stoned | its one of thsoe thigns with debian and me |
| 18:30.07 | stoned | just not nearly as perverted |
| 18:30.07 | stoned | ;) |
| 18:30.12 | mirak | hi |
| 18:30.16 | Vasistha | stoned: of of course we can all tell you said it in jest, but there's some truth to it as well. I have a buddy who's a slack user, but also a distro junkie. He keeps four distros on his computer at all times... |
| 18:30.32 | Vasistha | stoned: can't really see eye to eye with you about women, though...! |
| 18:30.53 | stoned | Vasistha, oh I'm sorry. Men, whatever floats your boat, but you get the point |
| 18:31.04 | asg | Vasistha: that's because he's a midget; you have to kneel down |
| 18:31.10 | mirak | I am not sure to understand well how work hdparm.conf . when I add a drive, are the parameters added to the default ? If not, how do I know the default settings for the hard drives ? |
| 18:31.13 | Vasistha | hahaha |
| 18:31.25 | stoned | :( |
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| 18:31.25 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 18:31.28 | asg | apt: ;) |
| 18:31.31 | apt | (: |
| 18:31.31 | stew | @bot |
| 18:31.31 | aptitude | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 18:31.33 | asg | stew: yours? |
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| 18:31.44 | stew | asg: yes, it was synced to dpkg's factoids yesterday |
| 18:31.54 | Vasistha | stoned: dude, no need to apologize, anyway, I mean if the kinda girl you date is cool with that, that's all good |
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| 18:32.11 | stoned | Vasistha, you really have no idea what I am talking about |
| 18:32.12 | asg | stew: nice. Tell simonrvn if he ever comes on to change ravenbird's shortcut |
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| 18:32.19 | Vasistha | stew: so aptitude responds to @ instead of ! |
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| 18:32.24 | stew | asg: ravenbird hasn't been here |
| 18:32.29 | asg | Vasistha: yes and apt responds to '~' |
| 18:32.34 | stew | Vasistha: yes, for now, unless ravenbird returns |
| 18:32.41 | stoned | Vasistha, it is useless fo rme to try and explain, but it is a common gesture of endearement in a funny way, to tell your loved ones in a jest tha tyou hate them |
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| 18:32.43 | blondie | how many bots do we need? :P |
| 18:32.45 | asg | stew: I didn't think so. Don't see simon around here much |
| 18:32.51 | asg | blondie: enough to get the job done |
| 18:33.08 | stew | blondie: one would be fine, but apt isn't kept current |
| 18:33.14 | Vasistha | stoned: I totally understand what you're saying, man, but I don't like to communicate that way |
| 18:33.22 | _edwin1 | @ xorg keyboard problem |
| 18:33.23 | blondie | what's wrong with dpkg? |
| 18:33.28 | stoned | Vasistha, same concept as if someone is mean or rude to you, and you just say, "i love you too" and walk away |
| 18:33.36 | asg | _edwin1: /msg aptitude listkeys xorg keyboard |
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| 18:34.04 | Vasistha | blondie: dpkg doesn't seem to be responsive at the moment |
| 18:34.04 | _edwin1 | aptitude is silent |
| 18:34.11 | _edwin1 | i.e. no reply |
| 18:34.16 | stew | oops |
| 18:34.24 | stew | not identified, hold on |
| 18:34.26 | stoned | someone always has to crap a joke |
| 18:34.28 | stoned | fuck! |
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| 18:34.45 | asg | stoned: what do you have to eat such that you crap jokes? |
| 18:35.00 | stoned | asg, lol thats funny |
| 18:35.15 | asg | stoned: it would make the morning constitutional that much more fun though |
| 18:35.19 | stoned | lol |
| 18:35.24 | stoned | you're a trip man |
| 18:35.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:36.05 | asg | stoned: wait till I get some ale in me |
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| 18:36.15 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 18:36.22 | stoned | oh yeah, thas what I need, some good drinkage |
| 18:36.33 | stoned | stew, there is no bot in oftc |
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| 18:37.07 | stoned | stew, I mean in oftc #debian, no bot, I think dpkg died and aptitude isn't in |
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| 18:37.48 | stoned | ok nm |
| 18:39.02 | streuner | aptitude, punish abrotman |
| 18:39.15 | streuner | hm, smites works too :-) |
| 18:39.24 | stew | !smite me |
| 18:39.27 | stew | @smite me |
| 18:39.36 | abrotman | i tried to do this the other day .. but couldn't make it do the Packages file updates |
| 18:39.38 | stew | hrm, i thought i had disabled smites, oh well |
| 18:39.45 | abrotman | aptitude: info tor sid |
| 18:39.47 | streuner | @info blootbot sarge |
| 18:40.15 | _edwin1 | @test |
| 18:40.16 | aptitude | Sorry, _edwin1, I didn't get your test. |
| 18:40.22 | streuner | well, that's right, blootbot isn't in sarge |
| 18:40.24 | aptitude | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.1.1.20-1 (sid), Packaged size: 761 kB, Installed size: 1388 kB |
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| 18:40.48 | streuner | the bot works |
| 18:41.13 | stoned | so, umm, who are the Debora and Ian |
| 18:41.19 | stoned | where are they? |
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| 18:41.40 | stoned | Deborah* |
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| 18:42.12 | stoned | I guess debian is named after the lot, but I've never found/read anything else about em |
| 18:42.32 | crazy_penguin | hi all! |
| 18:42.33 | abrotman | stoned: are you serious? |
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| 18:42.44 | abrotman | stoned: Ian Murdock and his wife |
| 18:42.46 | abrotman | !history |
| 18:42.50 | abrotman | @history |
| 18:42.50 | aptitude | rumour has it, history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
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| 18:42.58 | stoned | abrotman, yeah, I know the history, just wondering what they are doing now |
| 18:43.12 | CrippsFX | can somebody take a look at this error and tell me what they think? : http://pastebin.ca/62637 ... the problem is that I want to listen to music, but ALSA appears to be busy. The only sound I have is the beep when gnome-terminal doesn't like something I'm doing |
| 18:43.15 | abrotman | stoned: http://ianmurdock.com/ |
| 18:43.28 | stew | stoned: ian founded Progeny. and now he's in the debian NM queue |
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| 18:44.09 | amee2k | installing testing base system: what is the diff between "linux-image-*" and "kernel-image-*"? |
| 18:44.32 | stoned | cool |
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| 18:45.21 | cahoot | CrippsFX: what does fuser -v /dev/snd/* return? |
| 18:46.48 | CrippsFX | cahoot, output is at: http://pastebin.ca/62644 |
| 18:48.01 | Vasistha | amee2k: hmm, you know, that strikes me as a really good question at the moment... |
| 18:48.28 | amee2k | hehe |
| 18:48.45 | cahoot | CrippsFX: does aplay /usr/share/sounds/*wav produce sound? |
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| 18:49.35 | Vasistha | amee2k: well, looking quickly at the descriptions on p.d.o, linux-image is described as "Linux image" whereas kernel-image is described as "Linux image binary" -- perhaps linux-image is for those who want to compile? |
| 18:49.36 | typewriter | why does /root have permission 755 by default? |
| 18:49.41 | typewriter | why is it globally readable?? |
| 18:49.59 | Vasistha | typewriter: well because most of the time you want other users to be able to read, e.g., /etc/fstab |
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| 18:50.28 | Eclipser | work damn it! |
| 18:50.31 | CrippsFX | cahoot, http://pastebin.ca/62646 -> no it does not. |
| 18:50.32 | Vasistha | typewriter: if you want to make something unreadable, e.g. /etc/shadow then you should be aware, and do so explicitly |
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| 18:50.52 | abrotman | Vasistha: he mean's /root/ |
| 18:50.53 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 18:50.53 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
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| 18:51.10 | m1ke_l | is there a quick way to fix the "No public key" GPG error when apt-get update'ing? |
| 18:51.16 | typewriter | yes.. i am wondering why you are referring to /etc :/ |
| 18:51.19 | abrotman | m1ke_l: /topic |
| 18:51.21 | typewriter | i was talking about /root |
| 18:51.26 | deadcat | Eclipser: whats not working? |
| 18:51.40 | Vasistha | typewriter: heh :-) yeah, well I feel silly now |
| 18:51.52 | m1ke_l | wicked...thans |
| 18:51.54 | m1ke_l | thanks |
| 18:52.00 | typewriter | nothing in /root that needs to be globally read so i find it odd that it is so by default |
| 18:52.13 | abrotman | m1ke_l: from boston are we? |
| 18:52.52 | m1ke_l | we be |
| 18:52.54 | cahoot | CrippsFX: does /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p exist? |
| 18:53.22 | CrippsFX | cahoot, yes. |
| 18:53.29 | deadcat | m1ke_l: in that case.. cant believe the sox got their ass raped lastnight.. |
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| 18:53.55 | abrotman | deadcat: that was horrible |
| 18:53.56 | cahoot | CrippsFX: fuser -v /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p - returns nothing? |
| 18:53.56 | m1ke_l | yeah, pretty bad i hear |
| 18:54.03 | abrotman | deadcat: and the guy pitching tonight is from AA .. Pauley |
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| 18:54.12 | emmettshear | I installed a raid controller (RocketRaid 182x), and it seems to basically work (I compiled the driver myself, that was an adventure). But when I try "insmod hptmv" to actually run the driver, it gives an error (http://pastebin.ca/62648). Help, anyone? |
| 18:54.25 | CrippsFX | cahoot, that is correct |
| 18:54.42 | deadcat | abrotman: ya. all those injured yankees and the sox are given ground.. what a bunch of clowns.. at least with the giants i KNOW we arent making any move.. (= |
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| 18:54.58 | Eclipser | deadcat, I can connect to my phone with hcitool but anything more than that doesn't seem to work (like OBEX)... sdptool says it has OBEX capabilities and it asks for confirmation on connection when I try it |
| 18:55.32 | abrotman | deadcat: well .. now the bullpen is fucked |
| 18:55.43 | cahoot | CrippsFX: this is a 2.6 kernel on debian? |
| 18:55.45 | deadcat | Eclipser: ah |
| 18:55.48 | Eclipser | deadcat, rfcomm might not be working too actually |
| 18:56.03 | Vasistha | typewriter: maybe so other users can copy e.g. .bash_completion or .profile |
| 18:56.13 | js_ | is there a tool that emails me about system failures and stuff like that? |
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| 18:56.24 | CrippsFX | cahoot, it's a 2.6 kernel ... sorry to say, but on ubuntu. nobody there has any idea or willingness to acknowledge I have a problem. |
| 18:56.33 | deadcat | js_: if it fails... how? |
| 18:56.43 | Vasistha | typewriter: but I agree, that is kinda weird. on the other hand, maybe it discourages some users from storing data they want to keep secret in /root |
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| 18:57.07 | deadcat | CrippsFX: but we use debian here though. kinna hard to help if we dont even use ubuntu |
| 18:57.13 | cahoot | CrippsFX: snd-intel8x0 or snd-intel-hda? |
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| 18:57.28 | js_ | deadcat: i suppose.. harddrive stuff.. |
| 18:57.29 | Eclipser | deadcat, hold on, I think I made some progress |
| 18:57.39 | CrippsFX | cahoot, ATI-IXP |
| 18:57.51 | Eclipser | I just got this phone today so it's all new to me :p |
| 18:58.01 | cahoot | CrippsFX: try lsmod | grep -i snd |
| 18:58.04 | deadcat | Eclipser: you have bluez-utils right? |
| 18:58.05 | CrippsFX | deadcat, point taken, although, ubuntu is *mostly* debian. |
| 18:58.09 | Eclipser | deadcat, yep |
| 18:58.23 | deadcat | !ubuntu |
| 18:58.23 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 18:58.37 | deadcat | CrippsFX: ^^ mostly does not mean is |
| 18:58.37 | CrippsFX | deadcat, fully aware, thank you. |
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| 18:59.01 | CrippsFX | cahoot, http://pastebin.ca/62651 |
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| 18:59.18 | deadcat | CrippsFX: i was in #osx and ask linux stuff so i said "well. osx is MOSTLY linux" and they banned me |
| 18:59.29 | priest | What is the max lenght on passwords on a default sarge? |
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| 18:59.56 | deadcat | priest: huge |
| 19:00.13 | CrippsFX | deadcat, that's because you were wrong. |
| 19:00.15 | deadcat | priest: mine is 26 chars. (= |
| 19:00.21 | Eclipser | this is pretty stupid, I can't seem to browse the whole phone filesystem at once o.O |
| 19:00.37 | deadcat | CrippsFX: no. they are mostly computer software |
| 19:01.12 | priest | deadcat, have you tried to press enter after 8 chars? ;) |
| 19:01.23 | CrippsFX | deadcat, osX is based on the mach microkernel, as implemented by one of the BSD distros. |
| 19:01.34 | CrippsFX | which, might I add, are not linux. |
| 19:01.39 | deadcat | priest: right after 8? no |
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| 19:02.43 | deadcat | priest: check /etc/pam.d/common-passwd |
| 19:02.52 | CrippsFX | deadcat, now, the difference between ubuntu and debian, for the most part, is software patches and development, but the same basic "debian toolbox" is available on both. |
| 19:02.55 | deadcat | CrippsFX: same.. mostly software |
| 19:03.16 | deadcat | CrippsFX: so why arent you getting help with your ubuntu problems here then? |
| 19:03.38 | Eclipser | interesting |
| 19:03.48 | Eclipser | obexftp actually returned something o.O |
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| 19:03.56 | CrippsFX | deadcat, because nobody there will acknowledge that I have a problem ... so I came somewhere where people might have an idea if I asked. |
| 19:04.15 | deadcat | CrippsFX: nobody here will acknowledge you ahve a DEBIAN problem |
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| 19:05.00 | stew | CrippsFX: if you aren't getting help from #ubuntu, please try a ubuntu mailing list or a ubuntu web forum. |
| 19:05.59 | cahoot | CrippsFX: by the looks of it you have a basically working alsa - i e correct devices exist, I can't see any reasonable explanation to the error msg you get - sorry |
| 19:06.20 | CrippsFX | cahoot, okay. thanks for the try. |
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| 19:06.51 | Eclipser | gosh |
| 19:06.55 | Eclipser | this is slooow transfer :> |
| 19:07.06 | deadcat | bluetooth. what you expect (= |
| 19:07.18 | cahoot | CrippsFX: I'd make a try in console (with aplay) i e with no gnome or kde running |
| 19:08.22 | CrippsFX | cahoot. I'm giving a shot in #alsa to see if somebody knows how I can check what's hijacking it, if I don't get an answer there, I'll try killing X and doing that. thanks. |
| 19:08.25 | jair | guys how can I run an application (i.e. rsync) and leave it running even when I close the shell or if I am in a remote connection? |
| 19:08.38 | jair | using "&" or something like no hups? |
| 19:08.40 | overflow | jair: use _screen_ |
| 19:08.49 | deadcat | js_: screen |
| 19:08.50 | jair | overflow: yes but still |
| 19:08.54 | cahoot | CrippsFX: just one thing more check fuser -v /dev/dsp |
| 19:08.55 | overflow | jair: still what? |
| 19:09.14 | overflow | jair: use screen and detach it |
| 19:09.15 | jair | let say that the process is started remotely |
| 19:09.23 | CrippsFX | cahoot, firefox-bin .... |
| 19:09.25 | DimmuR | jair: use screen |
| 19:09.26 | cahoot | CrippsFX: might be firefox or some oth |
| 19:09.27 | stew | cahoot: CrippsFX please move the conversation to #ubuntu |
| 19:09.30 | CrippsFX | sonofabitch .... |
| 19:09.30 | deadcat | js_: use screen |
| 19:09.34 | Eclipser | hm |
| 19:09.36 | jair | ok |
| 19:09.37 | jair | ok |
| 19:09.38 | overflow | lol |
| 19:09.40 | CrippsFX | cahoot, thanks. |
| 19:09.41 | cahoot | CrippsFX: kill it |
| 19:09.44 | overflow | jair: any doubt? |
| 19:09.59 | jair | overflow: what about the command call nohups or somthing like that |
| 19:10.12 | jair | overflow: or also the adding of the character "&" |
| 19:10.13 | CrippsFX | cahoot, works. |
| 19:10.18 | deadcat | js_: nohup is so 1970 |
| 19:10.22 | dmattli | jair: use detachtty :p |
| 19:10.23 | deadcat | jair: ^^ |
| 19:10.31 | jair | guys do you know if rsync will copy information even when is in use? |
| 19:10.31 | cahoot | CrippsFX: happens in debian too ;) |
| 19:10.54 | jair | ohh so then it will be like this: |
| 19:11.07 | CrippsFX | cahoot, sorta thought it would, that's why I came ;) |
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| 19:11.51 | CrippsFX | cahoot, like that "I'm not getting any sound ... I just installed debian" or after a kernel upgrade ... nobody in #ubuntu knew ... it took 2 seconds to get an answer that worked from here :) |
| 19:13.02 | DimmuR | CrippsFX: then just install debian : |
| 19:13.17 | CrippsFX | DimmuR, I've got debian installed on My webserver. |
| 19:13.26 | deadcat | then install it on your desktop |
| 19:13.57 | cahoot | CrippsFX: check the value of FIREFOX_DSP |
| 19:14.20 | stew | CrippsFX: cahoot: please move this conversation to #ubuntu, it is off-topic here |
| 19:14.41 | CrippsFX | deadcat, I don't have time to configure debian for my laptop. |
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| 19:14.57 | CrippsFX | stew, we're done with that problem now. |
| 19:14.58 | deadcat | CrippsFX: what are you doing now then? configuring... |
| 19:15.05 | cahoot | stew: ok I won't push this further - but exactly the same problem has affected 'pure' debian users |
| 19:15.25 | thingfish | CrippsFX: don't make me tell Fr. Superior on you. ;) |
| 19:15.27 | Eclipser | deadcat, well, at least transfer seems to work now... now I just need to get the gprs working too... |
| 19:15.37 | CrippsFX | thingfish, lol ;) |
| 19:15.44 | deadcat | Eclipser: nice.. |
| 19:15.46 | Eclipser | phone -> internet works, linux -> bt -> phone -> internet doesn't :) |
| 19:15.51 | CrippsFX | thingfish, uhhh ... you never saw me in here .... *whistles* |
| 19:15.57 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:16.07 | CrippsFX | thingfish, how are ya? |
| 19:16.09 | thingfish | CrippsFX: mum's the word, pally. |
| 19:16.16 | Eclipser | the transfer is freaking slow though o.O |
| 19:16.18 | thingfish | CrippsFX: great - and you? |
| 19:16.41 | CrippsFX | thingfish, not too bad. now that I have tunes back, it's time for me to go do more java dev. :/ |
| 19:16.54 | Eclipser | takes like two minutes to send 822kB file >.<; |
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| 21:03.47 | stew | United: afaik v5 will convert tables from v4, but you cannot convert them back |
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| 21:04.05 | sid | stew: Unless it's a different architecture. |
| 21:04.41 | United | stew i have v5 installed in a .sql(v4) how do i send them over to v5 |
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| 21:06.01 | jair | I would like to know what will be the best way to: 1) access to a remote server, 2) start irssi, a process of tranfer files with rsync and the be able of leave all that running while I disconnect and close the shell. |
| 21:06.01 | stew | United: let me make sure i understand. you have mysql 5.0 installed and a .sql file from mysqldump from a mysql 4? |
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| 21:06.13 | United | stew that is correct |
| 21:06.13 | stew | jair: screen |
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| 21:06.31 | jair | stew: yes but are you reading good |
| 21:06.52 | jair | stew: I am connecting from a remote machine, what about if the remote host does not have screen installed? |
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| 21:07.04 | stew | United: after you have created the new database you should just be able to "mysql [login options] databasename < file.sql" |
| 21:07.13 | sid | jair: Compile screen locally. |
| 21:07.17 | jair | I just want to run the command and leave it running even after I disconnect. |
| 21:07.40 | sid | jair: Or if the remote machine doesn't have compiling utilities, then compile screen on another machine and copy it to that machine. |
| 21:07.55 | United | stew when i do that mysql -f < file.sql it goes in with some errors.. but then when i log into mysql it dont ask me for a password. shouldnt that carry over? |
| 21:07.57 | jair | sid: will you do that? instead use the & or nohup I think but I am not sure. |
| 21:07.57 | sid | jair: screen |
| 21:07.59 | stew | jair: if you can't use screen use nohup or detachtty but that won't be useful for irssi. you really really want to be using screen |
| 21:08.08 | humbolt | stew: running a 2.6.16 kernel requests udev to be in place which sarge does not offer out of the box, therefore sarge does not go together with 2.6.26 without installing anything from testing |
| 21:08.19 | LordBrain | stew: is it simply impossible to use preferences to apply to this archive? |
| 21:08.35 | sid | jair: I'm using irssi with screen right now. I bet stew probably is too. And a lot of people in here. |
| 21:08.42 | stew | humbolt: you can install 2.6.16 without udev if you install yaird instead of initramfs-tools |
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| 21:09.14 | humbolt | stew: fiddling around is not standard. |
| 21:09.14 | jair | stew: see I never said "because of irssi" I know that for better irssi I will be running screen. but I am talking about other things, like running a rsync session, downloading a file using wget |
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| 21:09.41 | humbolt | ther is a standard kernel or two (one 2.4 and one 2.6 series kernel.) |
| 21:09.47 | humbolt | anyhow |
| 21:09.53 | stew | humbolt: there is also no requirement that you run a kernel with an initrd. if you are trying to install a debian compiled 2.6.16 onto sarge you should be using backports (/msg dpkg backports) you should not install testing/unstable packages on sarge |
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| 21:10.02 | bahatpc | say hello |
| 21:10.10 | sid | !greet bahatpc |
| 21:10.11 | dpkg | Tag, bahatpc |
| 21:10.52 | jair | sid: it is not for irssi purposes |
| 21:10.59 | bahatpc | ups, my bad |
| 21:11.11 | jair | I will be able of use irssi with screen great, bravo, hurra. |
| 21:11.16 | humbolt | stew: so which significant packages did make it to backports so far? openoffice 2.0.2, firefox 1.4, kernel 2.6.16, ... ?? |
| 21:11.19 | jair | I am talking about something else |
| 21:11.35 | abrotman | !dance |
| 21:11.39 | humbolt | stew: need an update have not been on sarge for long time. |
| 21:11.44 | jair | what about running rsync and you have to run it and leave from the place where you have the internet connection? |
| 21:11.46 | beardy | jair: What are you talking about then? |
| 21:11.53 | United | stew when i do that mysql -f < file.sql it goes in with some errors.. but then when i log into mysql it dont ask me for a password. shouldnt that carry over? |
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| 21:11.57 | azeem | humbolt: check www.backports.org |
| 21:12.02 | jair | beardy: read |
| 21:12.03 | stew | LordBrain: i'm not sure. you should double check my assertion that they don't provide a Release file and maybe ask the repo maintainer to provide one if they don't |
| 21:12.21 | humbolt | how about freenx in debian. At one point I could not find any repository anymore?! |
| 21:12.50 | beardy | jair: Just do it. |
| 21:12.55 | DimmuR | jair: if you don't want run rsync you can always put it into crontab and set property time :) |
| 21:13.20 | jair | beardy: just do what? if I close the shell will continue running? |
| 21:13.28 | jair | DimmuR: jesus |
| 21:13.52 | DimmuR | jair: did you ever use screen? |
| 21:13.54 | beardy | jair: Run screen and try. And read it's manual to find out how to use it. |
| 21:14.06 | sid | jair: listen to beardy |
| 21:14.08 | beardy | jair: Ctrl-a ? for a help screen. |
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| 21:16.35 | DimmuR | stew: but first he need to detach it (afaik) |
| 21:16.43 | stew | DimmuR: no |
| 21:17.14 | DimmuR | you're right stew (just checked) |
| 21:17.18 | beardy | DimmuR: He can reattach it when it's attached somewhere else too. It's all in the manual. |
| 21:17.24 | madclicker | what up with webmin and testing? |
| 21:17.31 | stew | madclicker: /msg dpkg webmin |
| 21:17.55 | DimmuR | beardy: i was talking about something else - i always thought it has to be detatched before quit but i was wrong :) |
| 21:18.08 | DimmuR | it's just enough to close terminal :) |
| 21:18.08 | stew | jair: if you don't like the advice you get from people plesae just use /ignore |
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| 21:18.45 | United | stew i didnt blow everything away i dont know how.. is that ok to do from v4 to v5 ? |
| 21:18.47 | jair | stew: I know screen and I know the advice you are giving me, but you are not listen or understanding from where I am comming from. |
| 21:18.59 | beardy | DimmuR: Well, then it takes a while for your shell to which you logged in to be HANGUP-ed, so if you just close the controlling terminal, you can't login immediately after and reattach with -d. |
| 21:19.08 | jair | stew: I know when I need to use screen. |
| 21:19.38 | jair | stew: for example: I have a shoutcast server, do you know what happen if I exit the shell after run it. |
| 21:19.41 | jair | ? |
| 21:19.41 | beardy | Dunedan: -r, I mean. |
| 21:19.45 | stew | 17:17 <jair> beardy: just do what? if I close the shell will continue running? 17:20 <stew> jair: if you close the shell on the local side, the screen running on the remote side (and all of the processes contained within) will continue to run |
| 21:19.55 | Dunedan | beardy: hm? |
| 21:20.29 | beardy | Dunedan: what? did I nicktaberror you? |
| 21:20.34 | jair | stew: all i do is run the command to start the server and & |
| 21:20.36 | Dunedan | seems so |
| 21:20.38 | stew | nothing like that |
| 21:20.50 | stew | ugh ECHANN |
| 21:21.05 | jair | stew: I know that if I run screen yes I will be able to deatach after I run the screen and run the command |
| 21:21.09 | stew | jair: no, just start screen, then in one of the shells in screen start the process in the foreground (without a &) |
| 21:21.21 | beardy | jair: Then perhaps you don't need to run it in a screen, if you start it in the background. |
| 21:21.22 | madclicker | stew;thanks |
| 21:21.36 | jair | beardy: Halleluya |
| 21:21.42 | madclicker | stew, that was a supprize |
| 21:21.46 | jair | one of you in understanding |
| 21:22.26 | beardy | jair: You could have been more clear about what you actually were doing. |
| 21:22.29 | jair | my point ismy question is: Can I use &, nohup, and screen to have the same result? |
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| 21:22.38 | stew | jair: if you start something in the background not in screen, then disconnect, the proecess will receive a -HUP, which will cause many thing (such as rsync) to terminate |
| 21:22.46 | stew | jair: no, you cannot |
| 21:23.00 | sid | jair: Use screen. |
| 21:23.03 | beardy | jair: Yes, but if you use screen, do not start it in the background, no & after the command. |
| 21:23.21 | plugwash | will there be a tool to make it easy to strip down xorg to just the needed driver or will the benifits of the split only apply to developers and those with too much time on thier hands? |
| 21:24.15 | beardy | jair: No, the result will not be exactly the same, but in all cases the server you are starting will continue to run if you logout. But the best thing is probably to run it in screen, if you want control over it more easily. |
| 21:24.21 | jair | ok, so then the best way is go with screen, for example: pc1 is remote pc2 in local, I will connect through ssh to pc1 and run screen on it then what next? |
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| 21:24.40 | jair | more easily\ |
| 21:24.48 | jair | got that accept that |
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| 21:24.59 | pinky | How do I show where a given package has files installed again? |
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| 21:25.07 | abrotman | dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 21:25.07 | dpkg | ii <pkg> 3.2-11.3 abrotman's private porn collection |
| 21:25.08 | beardy | jair: No we are back where we started, learn to use screen. I gave you some intructions above. |
| 21:25.08 | abrotman | erm |
| 21:25.10 | abrotman | dpkg -L |
| 21:25.12 | vorpal | dpkg -L |
| 21:25.15 | abrotman | pinky: /msg dpkg refcard |
| 21:25.26 | jair | that is what I am tryng to find, what will be the best the differences, and that some of them are more useful in different scenarios. |
| 21:25.37 | beardy | jair: Ctrl-a ? to get a help window. Ctrl-a d to detach, 'screen -r' to reattach again. |
| 21:25.59 | beardy | s/No/Now/ |
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| 21:26.21 | jair | beardy: I know how to use it. ok I start screen then i will have screen plus my own shell running |
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| 21:27.24 | beardy | jair: What you find best to use is up to you. Try screen first, if you don't like it, try something else, like starting it in the background instead. |
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| 21:27.42 | beardy | !wb abrotman_ |
| 21:27.43 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman_ has returned! |
| 21:27.49 | abrotman_ | i have no freaking clue |
| 21:27.49 | DerJamster | heh |
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| 21:28.37 | abrotman | eh .. wtf |
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| 21:28.50 | jair | beardy: thank you i will test screen on the use of rsync etc.. |
| 21:28.58 | abrotman | wtf was that about |
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| 21:29.12 | humbolt | Is LVM2 EVMS in sarge? |
| 21:29.20 | jair | thank you everybody, I will ne to work on my language so you guys can understand what I am asking abot. |
| 21:29.37 | humbolt | Do any tools come with it or do I have to perform cli partitioning?! |
| 21:29.39 | blondie | abrotman: you changed colour! |
| 21:29.42 | sanzo-ma | hi to all. I have a problem launching inkscape in sid. It crashes on start. Is anyone experiencing the same problem? |
| 21:29.46 | cbeok | I'm not sure where to start: I need to be able to type french accents in emacs with my US layout keyboard. Any Help? |
| 21:30.02 | sid | !tell sanzo-ma about bts |
| 21:30.04 | sid | !tell sanzo-ma about sid |
| 21:30.41 | beardy | jair: You're welcome. Good luck. |
| 21:30.59 | dondelelcaro | sid: 0.43-4 works here; but you should check the bts. |
| 21:31.04 | abrotman | yeah .. my intarweb .. just kind of imploded |
| 21:31.06 | dondelelcaro | s/sid/sanzo-ma/ |
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| 21:31.22 | beardy | cbeok: Doesn't US keyboards have an accent key, IIRC it's the key called the compose-key? |
| 21:31.39 | abrotman | not all |
| 21:31.44 | abrotman | not really any actually |
| 21:31.51 | abrotman | you can map another key to it |
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| 21:32.06 | Gnurdux | the tightvncserver depend bug is still there |
| 21:32.08 | sanzo-ma | ok. i see the bug i am experiencing is there... |
| 21:32.13 | thingfish | I think my hell will be endless job interviews, one after the other. |
| 21:32.16 | dondelelcaro | the key that has ~` on it is usually called the accent key... |
| 21:32.29 | Gnurdux | also, why is apt suddenly fetching diff file on update? |
| 21:32.39 | beardy | And on US keyboards, it's the one above TAB, right? |
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| 21:33.31 | stew | sit tight |
| 21:33.35 | dragonbyte | can the debian netinstall do pppoe? |
| 21:33.59 | dondelelcaro | beardy: yes, but that's all that it does; it's not the copose key |
| 21:34.02 | dondelelcaro | s/cop/comp/ |
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| 21:34.47 | beardy | dragonbyte: The businesscard netinstall image can NOT. The 110MB one should, and probably can, but wait for someone else to confirm that. And read the install guide. |
| 21:34.53 | beardy | dragonbyte: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 21:35.14 | aarchie | Cups seems to regularly lose touch with my Epson printer. For instance if it is turned off. When it is turned back on cups doesn't bring it back online and I must go into the web admin interface to click on "start". Is there a way to make cups keep trying and reconnect? |
| 21:35.17 | cbeok | beardy: Oh I see, yeah I can type an accent, but I'm unable to force the accent and the letter into a single character. |
| 21:35.28 | cbeok | beardy: thanks though |
| 21:35.38 | dragonbyte | beardy: well here is my situation...I can either boot ubuntu with the main kernel and it sees my network cards, loads the modules, but i only get eth0 OR eth1, i cant get it to see both |
| 21:35.45 | lepton | aarchie: try "replugging" it (I assume usb) |
| 21:35.46 | beardy | cbeok: Is this in console/vty, or in X? |
| 21:35.58 | dragonbyte | beardy: but if i compile the drivers into the kernel, it sees both, but pppoeconf just flashes through and does nothing |
| 21:36.21 | aarchie | lepton: tried that as well. still stays stopped until I click the start button, on the cups web interface. |
| 21:36.42 | cbeok | beardy: console. Unfortunately my options seem to be thin in this environment. |
| 21:37.00 | beardy | cbeok: Not at all, you can get it working there aswell as in X. |
| 21:37.12 | bahatpc | Is there any way have directories pre-indexed, ie when I execute "ls /usr/bin", I get instant results? When I execute that twice, the second result is instant - I'd like to have that for the first execution as well |
| 21:37.38 | cbeok | beardy: without extensive googling, do you happen to know of a few files at which I should take a look? |
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| 21:39.45 | beardy | cbeok: Well, we don't want to remap your entire keyboardlayout. Only one key.. I guess someone using US layout and typing french could help you faster, but, see if you find anything usable in 'man 5 inputrc' |
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| 21:40.23 | jair | ok |
| 21:40.24 | S4nD3r | How to discover the size of directories that are inside /home ??? |
| 21:40.34 | jair | guys good night take care |
| 21:40.35 | beardy | S4nD3r: du -h |
| 21:40.37 | cbeok | beardy: swell, I'll have a look. thanks for the advice. |
| 21:40.38 | hjubal | bye |
| 21:40.44 | beardy | S4nD3r: man du |
| 21:40.53 | beardy | S4nD3r: du -h somedir/ |
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| 21:41.27 | beardy | S4nD3r: 'du -h -s somedir' is probably nicer for you |
| 21:42.38 | S4nD3r | beardy, perfect |
| 21:43.03 | beardy | bahatpc: Do you really think directorylisting is slow? What machine/harddrive/filesystem is that? |
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| 21:44.13 | bahatpc | beardy: JFS |
| 21:44.36 | bahatpc | For directories like /usr/bin and /usr/share/doc, the first listing may take up to 3 seconds |
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| 21:45.02 | bahatpc | Certainly I can live with that, I was just curious to know if another option was available |
| 21:45.11 | deadcat | my ibook stop recognizing my apple key. it used to be mod_4. what changed? |
| 21:45.25 | bahatpc | As I said, the second call presents results instantly, therefore they must have been cached somewhere |
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| 21:45.44 | ricky_clarkson | !ipw2200 |
| 21:45.45 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 21:45.51 | beardy | bahatpc: Not that I know of. It would have to be cached, and then taking up ram, which you can have better use for.. |
| 21:46.05 | ricky_clarkson | I tried m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. |
| 21:46.06 | dragonbyte | why the hell does the 3.2 installer demand that you autopartion? why cant you partition as you choose? |
| 21:46.15 | beardy | bahatpc: Yeah, it's cached, if you list it right after again. |
| 21:46.20 | JoshH | because you didn't select expert mode |
| 21:46.30 | ricky_clarkson | ipw2200 gives a load of C errors, like structure elements not defined etc. |
| 21:46.52 | stew | ricky_clarkson: which kernel version? |
| 21:47.05 | ricky_clarkson | 2.6.16-1-686 from backports. |
| 21:47.08 | beardy | dragonbyte: 'expert' (2.4 kernel) or 'expert26' (2.6 kernel) |
| 21:47.23 | stew | ricky_clarkson: ipw2200 is in the mainline kernel as of 2.6.15 you don't need to add it |
| 21:47.44 | stew | beardy: etch d-i has a 2.4 kernel? |
| 21:47.55 | beardy | stew: I haven' |
| 21:47.57 | dragonbyte | beardy: well the auto destroyed my computer |
| 21:48.04 | ricky_clarkson | stew: How about ieee80211? |
| 21:48.15 | dragonbyte | beardy: it jumped on the drives erased every drives partition table, and then failed |
| 21:48.26 | beardy | stew: I haven't paid attention to exactly which installer he's using, with that info, he'll figure it out anyway, I'm sure. |
| 21:48.35 | dragonbyte | beardy: so i got ubuntu installed, but now I cant get networking to work |
| 21:48.38 | stew | ricky_clarkson: also included. with a 2.6.16 you should just drop firmware from ipw2200.sf.net into /lib/firmware and modprobe ipw2200 |
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| 21:49.07 | beardy | dragonbyte: WHy are you using the etch (and possibly beta?) installer? Instead of sarge? |
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| 21:50.06 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I don't know which version of the firmware to use. |
| 21:50.16 | dragonbyte | beardy: cuz thats what I have downloaded |
| 21:50.19 | beardy | stew: No, it probably hasn't, but it very well may ;) |
| 21:50.27 | dragonbyte | beardy: and that was what was installed before the crash |
| 21:50.36 | stew | ricky_clarkson: "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" will tell you which driver version you have, ipw2200.sf.net has them listed by driver version |
| 21:50.39 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Btw, in case you think I'm lame, I've been pretty damn busy since we last spoke. ;) |
| 21:50.41 | beardy | dragonbyte: Crasch? |
| 21:50.50 | stew | ricky_clarkson: heh, no worries :) |
| 21:50.50 | beardy | dragonbyte: What crashed? |
| 21:50.51 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Aha, muy interesante. |
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| 21:50.59 | dragonbyte | beardy: hardware |
| 21:51.04 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Any way of telling without booting into it? |
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| 21:51.15 | beardy | dragonbyte: A disk? |
| 21:51.23 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I could just download them all while I'm in Windows. ;) |
| 21:51.47 | ricky_clarkson | stew: If I download all the ones visible directly on http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/#downloads should I be covered? |
| 21:51.52 | dragonbyte | beardy: replaced |
| 21:52.14 | stew | ricky_clarkson: i can tell you that 2.6.15 has v. 1.0.8. i don't know about 2.6.16, you might just grab all firmware for 1.0.8 and nower to be safe. |
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| 21:54.17 | eddiecheng | i have a problem right now. i have installed mysql server 4.1 but i removed it and downgrade and install mysql server 4.0. now i cant connect to mysql it says 060607 13:50:43 mysqld: Can't open file: 'user.MYI'. (errno: 142) |
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| 21:54.38 | dragonbyte | beardy: uhm even in 'expert' my only option is to automatically partition hard drives |
| 21:54.44 | dragonbyte | beardy: and there is no manual option |
| 21:55.20 | S4nD3r | Im using du -hs * >> espaco , is great! Is possible to sort the result of espaco file ?? |
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| 22:01.32 | dragonbyte | does anyone know if the debian netinstall can do pppoe? |
| 22:01.39 | streuner | no |
| 22:01.54 | beardy | S4nD3r: 'du -hs * | sort >> espaco' Read 'man sort', or 'info sort'. When you are looking for a program to do a specific task, use the apropos program, 'apropos sort' will give you a list of programs that has the word "sort" in their short description. |
| 22:01.55 | streuner | just read ig, it will tell what to do after the install |
| 22:02.05 | streuner | dragonbyte: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 22:02.36 | AmyS3 | h @ll |
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| 22:02.59 | streuner | dragonbyte: basically, just open VT2-VT3 and run 'pppoeconfig' |
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| 22:03.26 | dragonbyte | streuner: I am downloading the netinstall disk now |
| 22:03.38 | streuner | dragonbyte: ok, check out ig too |
| 22:03.39 | dragonbyte | streuner: I just needed to know if the netinstall disk had the stuff to do pppoe on it |
| 22:03.49 | streuner | dragonbyte: yes |
| 22:03.50 | AmyS3 | i have an issue with apt.. it says i should use the force-loopbreak option.. but how?? did not find the entry in the howto page... any ides? |
| 22:04.06 | stew | AmyS3: what package is it complaining about? |
| 22:04.10 | streuner | dragonbyte: its installed then, but the installer doesn't do it for you... |
| 22:04.32 | AmyS3 | e2fsprogs |
| 22:04.41 | stew | AmyS3: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 22:05.00 | AmyS3 | just hit in console? |
| 22:05.14 | stew | !tell AmyS3 about e2fsprogs loop |
| 22:05.44 | AmyS3 | sah.. thx |
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| 22:08.17 | _ericb | hi all |
| 22:08.48 | _ericb | is there any way to accelerate apt.. like.. tell it to fetch packages from multiple mirrors at once, and be multi-threaded ? |
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| 22:09.04 | MatBoy | 2 monitors on a seperate Nvidia card are running on 75Hz and I want to set them to 60Hz. I can;t figureout why, because my mainscreen on a seperate Nvidia is running at 60Hz :( |
| 22:11.04 | blondie | are they TFT? |
| 22:11.37 | MatBoy | blondie, indeed. And these 17" screens are getting smooth at 75Hz |
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| 22:11.47 | blondie | getting smooth? |
| 22:11.54 | MatBoy | less sharrp |
| 22:11.56 | MatBoy | -r |
| 22:12.10 | blondie | oh, you sure it's not the resolution? |
| 22:12.41 | MatBoy | yep, it are both monitors and I have called Acer already. Before they were much more sharper |
| 22:12.58 | MatBoy | blondie, they are running at 1280x1024 |
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| 22:13.54 | sparr | Can anyone recommend an IM client that can handle AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, MSN, and Jabber, and can block ICQ spam? |
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| 22:15.39 | beardy | sparr: gaim |
| 22:15.47 | danilom | sparr kopete |
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| 22:15.55 | beardy | sparr: blocking spam, I don't know |
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| 22:16.04 | sparr | beardy: it doesnt |
| 22:16.08 | sparr | danilom: are you sure? |
| 22:16.23 | danilom | sparr really no |
| 22:17.11 | nceterval | I just upgraded to CUPS 1.2 in Sid, and now all printing tasks just sit in the queue with the status 'processing'. I tried restarting CUPS and readding the printer, what else can I do? |
| 22:17.33 | Gnea | nceterval: what printer? |
| 22:17.37 | cahoot | nceterval: read the error_log? |
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| 22:17.40 | nceterval | HP Deskjet 920C |
| 22:17.53 | Gnea | nceterval: are you using hpijs with that? |
| 22:17.57 | nceterval | Yes |
| 22:18.13 | Gnea | does hp-toolkit work? |
| 22:18.19 | nceterval | How can I tell? |
| 22:18.25 | nceterval | cahoot: Forgivee my ignorance, where is the CUPS errror log? |
| 22:18.42 | cahoot | nceterval: /var/log/cups |
| 22:19.45 | Gnea | nceterval: sorry, i meant hplip |
| 22:20.19 | nceterval | Gnea: So, how do I make sure it works? |
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| 22:20.49 | Gnea | nceterval: do you have hplip installed? |
| 22:21.10 | nceterval | No, just hpijs |
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| 22:21.33 | nceterval | Do I need hplip for 1.2? Printing has worked in the past... |
| 22:21.59 | Gnea | you should check out hplip, it's hp's official thing for cups, it even has an interface to tell you how much ink is left |
| 22:22.23 | nceterval | Gnea: I'll give it a try. |
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| 22:22.55 | Gnea | nceterval: it's a bit different to setup, but once it's setup, printing is so much more nicer :) |
| 22:23.26 | nceterval | Gnea: Can it not be specified as a driver in the KDE KControl print module? |
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| 22:23.46 | Gnea | nceterval: i don't know, i don't do kde |
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| 22:24.00 | Vasistha | alsa doesn't seem to work with my hardware, and artsd is rather flaky. Does eSound or the enlightened sound daemon provide similar functionality? |
| 22:24.03 | MatBoy | Why is the Debian community so nice and easy going ? |
| 22:24.16 | nceterval | Gnea: Oh, what makes it different to set up? |
| 22:24.23 | thingfish | MatBoy: hah |
| 22:24.35 | Vasistha | MatBoy: because our distro is so stable, it makes our lives easy, so we're relaxed and able to help |
| 22:24.36 | HelmutG | Hi. aptitude continously wants to upgrade libgnome32 to the same version over and over again. Can I do anything about that? (Isn't that a known bug?) |
| 22:24.55 | cahoot | MatBoy: that's a first |
| 22:25.01 | MatBoy | thingfish, I know Distro's where the ChannelOperators think they stand above their visitors ;) |
| 22:25.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:25.16 | thingfish | MatBoy: #debian was not always so gentle. |
| 22:25.19 | Vasistha | "stand above"? |
| 22:25.29 | MatBoy | thingfish, CentOS is nice you mean ? |
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| 22:25.42 | MatBoy | thingfish, always very nice here these days !! |
| 22:25.44 | thingfish | MatBoy: that's one channel I've never visited. |
| 22:25.54 | MatBoy | thingfish, keep it that way :) |
| 22:26.00 | thingfish | MatBoy: well one needs to be professional, you know. |
| 22:26.05 | Vasistha | I guess I've heard a few stories about greycat's impatience... he left before I came around... and I did encounter him in another chan, maybe ##linux or #bash |
| 22:26.08 | kyncani | it's been some time seen i've last seen a rtfm in #debian .. |
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| 22:26.18 | thingfish | irc is no place for people to work out their neuroses. |
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| 22:26.43 | MatBoy | thingfish, yes, but operators that are making jokes and the visitors can't sorry... I think they have their own rulebook :) |
| 22:26.44 | Vasistha | thingfish: well is there any public place where people ought to do that? |
| 22:26.53 | thingfish | kyncani: no there's plenty of that, because frankly there needs to be. You'll see that in any distro's channel. |
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| 22:27.14 | thingfish | Vasistha: you can go do kareoke or something. :) |
| 22:27.28 | MatBoy | Vasistha, yes... the social channel for the Distro... problem is that you also have to talk about the Distro there |
| 22:27.30 | RichiH | we try to keep it nice and we are getting somewhere |
| 22:27.38 | Vasistha | thingfish: hehe for a second I thought you were answering my question about artsd and esound |
| 22:27.41 | RichiH | not that it matters too much with the recent move of dns ;p |
| 22:27.51 | thingfish | RichiH: oh man it's a world different than when I first joined a year ago. |
| 22:28.05 | thingfish | it is way improved. much more like adults. |
| 22:28.21 | RichiH | thingfish: a year ago, it was not as bad as a few years ago.. :) |
| 22:28.29 | Vasistha | there are still 700-800 nicks in this channel, although I don't think I've ever seen more than, say, 50 people talking within the same hour |
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| 22:28.34 | thingfish | RichiH: wow |
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| 22:28.45 | MatBoy | thingfish, but some nice not direct jokes to persons is always a good thing for a day ! |
| 22:28.46 | RichiH | thingfish: heh |
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| 22:29.19 | MatBoy | is debhelper that doing automaticly or is a person doing that ? |
| 22:29.23 | thingfish | but they had to know that d-i would open up the floodgates. |
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| 22:29.24 | jazbo2186 | What would be a one liner to backup a compressed archive of a bunch of directories to a remote system via sftp? |
| 22:29.31 | Vasistha | you know, I think the maturation of the debian project probably has helped this chan be more pleasant. I'd imagine since it took 2.5 years for sarge, it had a kind of subtle effect on people's irritability |
| 22:29.38 | MatBoy | thingfish, depends on the channel-activity |
| 22:30.03 | kyncani | i've check my xchat logs since may 31, not a single rtfm ! |
| 22:30.06 | Vasistha | MatBoy: I think debhelper sets a channel limit when the server is loaded |
| 22:30.15 | MatBoy | Vasistha, I was running Sarge those days already.. no complains !! |
| 22:30.25 | thingfish | sarge is my honey |
| 22:30.29 | MatBoy | Vasistha, I was thinking the same, nice feature ! |
| 22:30.30 | RichiH | Vasistha: debhelper sets the limit continiously to prevent joinfloods |
| 22:30.37 | thingfish | sarge = workey |
| 22:30.38 | MatBoy | thingfish, Etch is it now here :D |
| 22:30.40 | Vasistha | MatBoy: I waited for sarge to go stable... I couldn't jive with woody... now I'm super happy :-) |
| 22:30.48 | thingfish | MatBoy: you can have it. |
| 22:31.07 | RichiH | sid :) |
| 22:31.10 | thingfish | MatBoy: my irritation tolerance is like below baseline. |
| 22:31.13 | MatBoy | Yes it's great ! the Testing version are very stable in my opinion with fast fixes |
| 22:31.35 | MatBoy | versinos |
| 22:31.36 | RichiH | what is with all those lines lately, anyway? |
| 22:31.38 | RichiH | Get:12 2006-06-05-1427.58.pdiff [18.5kB] |
| 22:31.38 | MatBoy | heh |
| 22:31.41 | thingfish | yeah well I bet I can do anything in sarge that you can do in etch or sid, at least if it's normal desktop/workstation stuff. |
| 22:31.44 | MatBoy | versions |
| 22:31.58 | beardy | thingfish: hmm, a year ago? Haven't you been here longer than me? |
| 22:32.04 | kyncani | RichiH: new apt-get |
| 22:32.09 | Vasistha | thingfish: with or without backports? ;-) |
| 22:32.25 | crazy_penguin | good night |
| 22:32.31 | thingfish | beardy: I don't know how long it's been, really... it was like 4 months before sarge went "gold"/ |
| 22:32.40 | RichiH | kyncani: yah, but why does it get 13 files with the same name, only different sizes? |
| 22:32.47 | thingfish | Vasistha: I have firefox from backports, and gaim - that's all. |
| 22:32.53 | nceterval | Gnea: Used hp-setup to setup hplip, it found te printer and everything, but it stalls when pruinting a test page. |
| 22:32.58 | beardy | thingfish: that means, 3-4 years, or so.. |
| 22:33.07 | HelmutG | Is there a good reason for why aptitude has to upgrade libgnome32 more than 5 times to the same version? |
| 22:33.12 | thingfish | oh no way sarge has only been out for a year, beardy. |
| 22:33.50 | Vasistha | thingfish: is a newer gaim any less of a resource hog? While just running in the bg (not for irc, I just use it for the proprietary networks) it was taking like 10M! |
| 22:34.02 | beardy | thingfish: I know that ;) I meant, you had to be here earlier than 3-4 years to have been here longer than me. |
| 22:34.10 | thingfish | all I know is I arrived at Debian at the same time I got driven half insane by fedora core 3 bugs. |
| 22:34.27 | thingfish | oh heh beardy yes I thought you were an old timer ;) |
| 22:34.38 | kyncani | RichiH: i guess each file in /var/lib/apt/lists/ gets its own diff |
| 22:34.42 | stoned | thingfish, technically you're an old timer too |
| 22:34.43 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:34.46 | Vasistha | I knew I had to come back to debian because I couldn't stand mepis any longer, but mepis is what got me started when I couldn't figure out woody |
| 22:34.49 | stoned | I'm still a youngin' |
| 22:34.53 | stoned | ehehehe |
| 22:34.59 | thingfish | stoned: yeah but that's only because my hair is grey ;) |
| 22:35.52 | thingfish | well most of it that is. |
| 22:36.33 | thingfish | stoned: are you in university? |
| 22:36.42 | Vasistha | hmm, it's been three pages of scroll. What sound servers exist besides alsa and arts? alsa doesn't support my hardware, and arts is flaky :P |
| 22:36.58 | thingfish | stoned: you probably already told me but I forget. |
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| 22:37.01 | jazbo2186 | How would I pipe data into a remote file via sftp? |
| 22:37.09 | stoned | thingfish, yes |
| 22:37.21 | thingfish | cool, stoned, what are you studying? |
| 22:37.21 | Vasistha | jazbo2186: how about with a named pipe? I have no idea if that will work... |
| 22:37.41 | stoned | thingfish, Information Security + Music Composition/theory/education |
| 22:37.44 | thingfish | stoned: get a degree in botany and hydroponic cultivation. ;) |
| 22:37.48 | stoned | wanna be a music professor too :) |
| 22:38.01 | stoned | thingfish, I thought about that, but it doesn't make me happy |
| 22:38.04 | thingfish | cool I love music |
| 22:38.13 | Vasistha | stoned: huh, my stepdad teaches music education at ucla |
| 22:38.22 | thingfish | oh neat! |
| 22:38.29 | stoned | ucla eh |
| 22:38.31 | stoned | nice |
| 22:38.40 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 22:38.42 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:38.44 | stoned | My stepdad has a bigger penis than your setpdad |
| 22:38.50 | thingfish | people who are involved with music are some of the happiest people you'll ever meet. |
| 22:38.54 | Vasistha | yeah. of course I get to hear all his complaints, ... HAHAHAA |
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| 22:39.02 | thingfish | stoned: can I meet your stepdad? |
| 22:39.07 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:39.14 | stoned | thingfish, lol, man haha |
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| 22:39.25 | Vasistha | stoned: is your stepdad a horse? they have big penises |
| 22:39.38 | stoned | Vasistha, I don't have a stepdad, it was jested sarcasm |
| 22:39.56 | stoned | Vasistha, you seem like you lack in the department of humor, my every joke you crap on it |
| 22:39.57 | stoned | :/ |
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| 22:40.24 | stoned | apt-get install humor |
| 22:40.26 | Vasistha | stoned: I laughed at your joke, man! I just try to play off your jokes, I really enjoy them |
| 22:40.32 | stoned | oh ok then |
| 22:40.33 | streuner | apt-get install --bigger wang? |
| 22:40.46 | Vasistha | streuner, haha |
| 22:40.48 | stoned | you know online there is no way of telling, and I probably misunderstood you |
| 22:40.50 | stoned | its all good mate |
| 22:40.51 | DivineEntity | can someone do a " ssh -p 443 24.150.203.93 " and let me know if they can a login prompt ? |
| 22:41.05 | Vasistha | streuner: what do you need apt for that? I get plenty of advertisements in email |
| 22:41.26 | beardy | Someone should package penis.sh. |
| 22:41.31 | streuner | hey, there is a reason why i prefer debian ;-) |
| 22:41.34 | beardy | (if it isn't already= |
| 22:41.37 | stoned | dude, what have I started |
| 22:41.39 | stoned | golly |
| 22:41.47 | jazbo2186 | What is a simple program that will backup a list of files from a debian system to a remote (non *nix) system via ssh? |
| 22:41.50 | Vasistha | stoned: nice man :-) |
| 22:42.07 | c_cinq | hello |
| 22:42.16 | beardy | jazbo2186: rsync and tar, and possibly gz or bzip2. |
| 22:42.28 | stoned | bzip |
| 22:42.31 | stoned | definitely |
| 22:42.51 | Vasistha | stoned: that depends whether you have more processor or bandwidth resource available, really |
| 22:43.03 | stoned | well, I was thinking compression wise |
| 22:43.13 | beardy | Vasistha: Well, diskspace aswell. |
| 22:43.22 | Vasistha | yes, very good point |
| 22:43.22 | stoned | not that in the world of today's huge HDD would be a problem |
| 22:43.37 | stoned | but still, bigger compression = faster transfre rates |
| 22:43.39 | kyncani | DivineEntity: ssh is hanging here |
| 22:43.41 | stoned | well, percieved fast |
| 22:43.50 | stoned | less data seems like travels fast |
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| 22:43.58 | stoned | or whatever |
| 22:44.04 | beardy | stoned: Not only seems ;) |
| 22:44.07 | Vasistha | DivineEntity: I tried and it hung, but my firewall is probably blocking it, and I don't really feel like reconfiguring :P |
| 22:44.41 | DivineEntity | naw I think it's here... messing with a pix... |
| 22:44.43 | stoned | beardy, well what I meant was that it travels as the same speed as a large file, but takes less time |
| 22:44.45 | jazbo2186 | Hmm, is rsync a seperate service or can it log on via the sshd on a windows box? |
| 22:45.02 | streuner | Vasistha: configure your MTA with RBL |
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| 22:45.22 | Vasistha | streuner: I...don't think that is for me, unless it's a joke? |
| 22:45.37 | thingfish | serious now: something's going on with my display. If I turn the computer off for a while, when I reboot and get to the desktop, the very top edge of my screen is shortened somewhat, with 3 horizontal thin lines running the length of the screen down about 1/6 th inch into the rest of the display. It's either the monitor or the video card. |
| 22:45.48 | Vasistha | streuner: oh, you're referring to the spam issue perhaps. n/m |
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| 22:45.55 | streuner | Vasistha: yep |
| 22:46.01 | beardy | stoned: yeah |
| 22:46.04 | thingfish | after a while, it all gradually disappears and everything is normal. |
| 22:46.08 | stoned | jazbo2186, look into 'unison' |
| 22:46.15 | stoned | jazbo2186, apt-cache show unison |
| 22:46.17 | Vasistha | streuner: actually my main issue is how to deal with a not-very-good imap server. |
| 22:46.36 | thingfish | I guess that's more a #hardware question. |
| 22:46.55 | Vasistha | thingfish: could be. when does it go away? |
| 22:47.12 | beardy | thingfish: Most likely the monitor. I'd be surprised if it's the graphics card. |
| 22:47.13 | thingfish | Vasistha: after about maybe 4-5 minutes. |
| 22:47.35 | Vasistha | yeah, sounds like an old monitor issue |
| 22:47.41 | thingfish | beardy: yeah that's kind of what I was leaning towards, because I've had another monitor do something very similar. |
| 22:47.50 | Vasistha | try another monitor? (if one is available?) :P |
| 22:48.02 | thingfish | except that with this other monitor, it stayed there all the time and never went away. |
| 22:48.02 | stoned | thingfish, how old is the monitor? Where are you speakers located? Do you have more than one CRT next to each other very close? |
| 22:48.32 | stoned | thingfish, I had a similar line problem, fixed it when I moved my speakers away and moved the two monitors farther aprt |
| 22:48.35 | beardy | thingfish: Yeah,I have also had monitors which behaves a bit strange when turned on, but after a while gets better. |
| 22:48.45 | c_cinq | does anyone jnow how to boot a debian linux partition using a livecd like knoppix? |
| 22:48.46 | thingfish | stoned: nah, speakers are not the issue. (been in this arrangement 2years+) and yes, more than one CRT close by, but it's not even plugged in. |
| 22:48.56 | beardy | What stoned said could also have an impact of course. |
| 22:49.06 | beardy | oh |
| 22:49.14 | Vasistha | c_cinq: does it give you a grub menu? |
| 22:49.17 | thingfish | yeah I mean I can leave the computer on all the time and no problems. |
| 22:49.26 | no0ke | how to change timezone |
| 22:49.28 | thingfish | I guess I'll just take my chances during storms. |
| 22:49.32 | Vasistha | no0ke: tzconfig |
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| 22:50.10 | c_cinq | no. grub used to be on hda1 but i reinstall windows. linux is on hdc2 |
| 22:50.15 | beardy | thingfish: But if it's only for 4-5 minutes it's acting strange, you could just turn it on and sit and.. do something else for a while :) |
| 22:50.19 | Vasistha | thingfish: gosh, that sounds unwise. I hope you have a nice surge suppressor. is the 5 mins really all that bad? |
| 22:50.24 | thingfish | oh and stoned the monitor is only about 2 years old, an NEC. |
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| 22:50.50 | beardy | thingfish: I guess any warranties are timed out? |
| 22:50.53 | thingfish | Vasistha: well but it's getting worse. |
| 22:51.00 | thingfish | beardy: yep. |
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| 22:51.07 | Vasistha | c_cinq: ah, you should reinstall grub! But you can do that once you've booted debian. But does the knoppix cd give you a grub menu so that you can manually type in boot instructions? |
| 22:51.25 | jazbo2186 | Thanks for the answers folks. Looks like rsync is what I want |
| 22:51.28 | thingfish | anyway I guess it's probably 'throw money at the damn thing' time coming up soon. |
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| 22:51.39 | Vasistha | thingfish: how nice a monitor? |
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| 22:51.58 | beardy | thingfish: Well, you could have someone take a look at it, but I doubt they will say anything else than "That one is broken, come look here on these new flatpanels instead". |
| 22:51.59 | thingfish | Vasistha: not the best, but not the worst. NEC MultiSync FE950+ |
| 22:52.00 | c_cinq | i'll have to investigate that. thanks. |
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| 22:52.25 | stoned | thingfish, buy a cheap 10$ video card, 8mb, hook it up to the monitor, maybe the card is the issue. *i had to answer door didnt see what you typed* |
| 22:52.30 | isai | hi |
| 22:52.33 | Gnea | hey, this is slightly OT - i'm looking at getting a Fujitsu SCSI hd, but i can't find any reviews for it, is there anyone that uses Fujitsu that knows about their track record? |
| 22:52.36 | thingfish | stoned: hey not a bad idea. |
| 22:52.39 | Vasistha | thingfish: unfortunately that means nothing to me :-) I was just wondering if it is, e.g., 17" CRT, in which case I'd advise just getting a new-to-you one on craigslist |
| 22:52.45 | thingfish | I even have a pci vidcard I could try. |
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| 22:52.52 | stoned | thingfish, pci is fine |
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| 22:52.58 | thingfish | hehe Vasistha |
| 22:53.09 | thingfish | stoned: yeah for these purposes |
| 22:53.29 | stoned | yeh, its either agp(not anymore) or pci-e |
| 22:53.31 | Gnea | http://tinyurl.com/bqa4h <-- like this one |
| 22:53.35 | thingfish | I don't want my vidcard to be bad! it cost more than my monitor. |
| 22:53.35 | stoned | pci-e is THE SHIZNIT |
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| 22:53.48 | isai | I am following a howto online which says to add code to /etc/init.d/local.start (howto is for Gentoo). Is that the same as /etc/init.d/rc.local ? |
| 22:53.49 | daeds | is there a debian support channel? |
| 22:54.01 | Vasistha | daeds: feel free to ask anything here |
| 22:54.02 | thingfish | daeds: where do you think you are? |
| 22:54.07 | Gnea | daeds: do birds have wings? |
| 22:54.16 | daeds | oh such nice people |
| 22:54.19 | Gnea | :) |
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| 22:54.28 | daeds | i just didnt wanna ask questions if this wasnt a support channel |
| 22:54.29 | Vasistha | Gnea: I dunno, penguins... uh... don't really have anything I'd call wings, and they're birds |
| 22:54.30 | thingfish | daeds: we are all sweethearts. |
| 22:54.30 | stoned | thingfish, you wanna see my dual head thingy |
| 22:54.40 | thingfish | stoned: sure why not |
| 22:54.42 | stoned | http://bungs.dontexist.com/desk1.jpg |
| 22:54.49 | Gnea | Vasistha: they gotta swim somehow ;) |
| 22:55.16 | thingfish | daeds: best to just ask your question(s), giving as much info and detail as possible. |
| 22:55.29 | thingfish | !beer daeds |
| 22:55.44 | stoned | nothing special, but just a wide desktop |
| 22:55.47 | thingfish | stoned: kde? |
| 22:56.00 | Gnea | daeds: well, just ask away, someone will likely jump in and help out |
| 22:56.01 | stoned | thingfish, I am so spoiled I need like two fully maximized apps etc. |
| 22:56.03 | ricky_clarkson | stew: modprobe ipw2200 |
| 22:56.04 | Vasistha | isai: I -think- so... although perhaps you want rcS.d ... I'm not sure about the difference, someone in here will probably pipe up |
| 22:56.05 | stoned | thingfish, yup |
| 22:56.17 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Failed to send TX_POWER: Command timed out. |
| 22:56.37 | daeds | basically, im having problems with the debian netinstall... it sees my pcmcia network card when i boot from the cd and install the installation stuff but when i reboot and try to finish the install it cant find my network card so i can't install. the network card is a xircom realport ethernet 10/100+modem 56 (if that helps anything) |
| 22:56.39 | stew | ricky_clarkson: is that from dmesg or from stderr? |
| 22:56.45 | stew | ricky_clarkson: (i've never seen that before) |
| 22:56.53 | Bread | I'm having this issue : http://channels.debian.net/paste/2763 |
| 22:56.54 | daeds | a lot of installs there |
| 22:56.56 | ricky_clarkson | stew: It's output from modprobe ipw2200. |
| 22:57.06 | Bread | I've installed gcc, is there's somethingg else required? |
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| 22:57.12 | stew | ricky_clarkson: check dmesg, see if there was a firmware error maybe |
| 22:57.20 | stoned | thingfish, http://bungs.dontexist.com/rfs.jpg <-- a really retarded way to access your linux partitions/ANY filesystem under windows |
| 22:57.31 | beardy | !update-rc.d |
| 22:57.31 | dpkg | update-rc.d is probably used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf |
| 22:57.34 | beardy | !rcconf |
| 22:57.34 | dpkg | somebody said rcconf was a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out sysv-rc-conf ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 22:57.44 | maikol | how can i do a net install of debian with a wusb11 wireless device |
| 22:57.47 | beardy | isai: ^^^ |
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| 22:57.58 | thingfish | daeds: I don't know much, especially about pcmcia and laptops, but there's a sarge installer with a more recent kernel that (who knows) might help you. /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 22:58.14 | Gnea | daeds: as long as it's detecting the ethernet part and keeping the modem bit out of the way, it should work |
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| 22:58.22 | thingfish | stoned: I just use explore2fs |
| 22:58.37 | ricky_clarkson | stew: It's possible that I installed the wrong firmware version. |
| 22:58.40 | stoned | thingfish, that doesn't work with just any filesystem does it |
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| 22:58.49 | daeds | well when it gets to download the needed packages it doesnt detect the network card it asks me for a dial up connection |
| 22:58.58 | thingfish | stoned: no, just with the one that I use. ;) |
| 22:59.00 | stoned | thingfish, that is only for native linux filesystems extx |
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| 22:59.18 | Gnea | daeds: ok, then something is probably detecting the modem on it... hrm |
| 22:59.21 | isai | beardy: thanks |
| 22:59.23 | LordBrain | Is there a way to list all installed packages which depend on a given package? |
| 22:59.28 | stoned | thingfish, well, I need music when I kick demon ass in Painkiller on windows |
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| 22:59.36 | stew | ricky_clarkson: if you did, dmesg should complain. it doesn't hurt to just throw all of the firmware in /lib/firmware and let the driver pick. they should all have unique names anyway |
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| 22:59.40 | thingfish | I always have to have music, stoned. |
| 22:59.46 | thingfish | house! |
| 22:59.47 | stoned | but I just installed cedega, tried out Painkiller in there, its such a huge game, it is very slow under linux |
| 23:00.02 | daeds | Gnea: any idea why it wouldnt see the network side then? |
| 23:00.13 | Vasistha | maikol: first you'll want to make sure it will be possible to get the wireless network card working at all. usb network cards have often had flaky support in linux |
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| 23:00.48 | Vasistha | maikol: google.com/linux for linksys wusb11 and see what you can find, see how many people have been having success with it |
| 23:00.50 | Gnea | daeds: it sounds like something is trying to initialize the modem while the network part is on - AFAIK, you can only use one port at a time, not both at once |
| 23:00.54 | maikol | Vasistha: i know, but i have found an available driver |
| 23:01.22 | daeds | Gnea: any way i can stop that happening at boot time? |
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| 23:01.35 | Vasistha | maikol: ahha, very good. uhm, I guess the next step is to make sure it is compatible with debian's installer kernel |
| 23:01.42 | foo | Anyone who knows the debian system really well willing to work on a new distro coming out? We are somewhat lacking people and I am trying to help find someone. Please private message if interested. |
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| 23:02.05 | deadcat | foo: no recruiting |
| 23:02.11 | thingfish | foo: please we don't need another debian-based distro. |
| 23:02.16 | foo | eek. Alright - my bad. |
| 23:02.23 | maikol | Vasistha: i believe it is. i just need to know how to start the installer without a boot cd, and how to use the driver once it starts |
| 23:02.27 | Gnea | deadcat: it's past June 4, technically this channel isn't official |
| 23:02.30 | thingfish | foo: rather, join us! ;) |
| 23:02.38 | deadcat | thingfish: ya. and once that distro comes out. we will get those users come here asking for help |
| 23:02.39 | thingfish | hehe Gnea |
| 23:02.53 | foo | thingfish: Heh, I already have. I'm just trying to help out a friend. |
| 23:02.55 | thingfish | deadcat: you mean like...ubuntu? |
| 23:03.03 | foo | haha |
| 23:03.04 | daeds | Gnea: any way i can stop that happening at boot time? repeat! :P |
| 23:03.07 | deadcat | thingfish: mostly. it used to be knoppix remember? (= |
| 23:03.08 | Gnea | daeds: i'm not sure how, exactly - you may need to hit up google |
| 23:03.11 | Gnea | !repeat |
| 23:03.12 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 23:03.18 | thingfish | foo: then tell your friend to just use pure Debian. |
| 23:03.43 | thingfish | foo: and advocate it. Those who claim to improve on it only ruin it. |
| 23:03.46 | dob1 | hi, on xorg xfs-xtt it is replace with another font server? |
| 23:03.47 | foo | thingfish: Hehe, I don't think he's going to listen. A beta comes out in a few days. Anywho, thanks! |
| 23:03.47 | daeds | gah |
| 23:03.52 | foo | thingfish: Ubuntu didn't ruin it :) |
| 23:03.59 | foo | haha, just kidding. |
| 23:04.01 | Gnea | oh |
| 23:04.01 | daeds | searching on google isnt my favorite past time |
| 23:04.01 | Gnea | wow |
| 23:04.03 | Gnea | !xircom |
| 23:04.04 | dpkg | it has been said that xircom is sometimes crashing the system (at startup). To solve this, exclude irq 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 14 and 15 in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts by adding "exclude irq #" where # is each irq to exclude. This is the case with Xircom Realport PCMCIA lan/modems and Toshiba laptops |
| 23:04.09 | Gnea | daeds: nevermind |
| 23:04.17 | foo | thingfish: FYI, I'm 100% debian. I have the shirts, the distro, I have it on my servers ... I never plan on switching unless I have a pretty darn good reason. |
| 23:04.17 | thingfish | foo: well heh 5.10 seems pretty crappy to me. |
| 23:04.23 | foo | thingfish: hehe |
| 23:04.36 | thingfish | foo: but then I'm a sarge fan. |
| 23:04.46 | foo | ahh. I run sarge on my server, unstable on laptop. |
| 23:04.51 | foo | with fluxbox. w00t+ |
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| 23:05.08 | daeds | i cant even find out if its unstable or not :P |
| 23:05.11 | thingfish | my desktop hardware is 1.5 years old so it's great with sarge. |
| 23:05.21 | foo | ah, nice. |
| 23:05.34 | Gnea | daeds: well try that solution and see what happens |
| 23:05.52 | dli | thingfish, my hardware is 3 year old, running Xgl now okay |
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| 23:06.23 | thingfish | dli: nice. what's your vidcard? |
| 23:06.34 | deadcat | foo: screenshot fluxbox... (= |
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| 23:06.43 | thingfish | see I don't have the mad skills to run xgl or whatever. |
| 23:06.46 | dli | thingfish, nvidia, I hate it, but running Xgl okay |
| 23:06.50 | daeds | i'll give it a go Gnea |
| 23:06.52 | daeds | thanks |
| 23:06.53 | thingfish | oh I love nvidia. |
| 23:07.02 | deadcat | if you run xgl. you on your own! |
| 23:07.09 | foo | deadcat: wha? fluxbox + xterm + firefox... I'm a programmer... so I don't ask for that much. |
| 23:07.10 | dli | thingfish, Xgl + xfce-4.4-beta, very stable now |
| 23:07.18 | thingfish | I just hate vidcards because they all go 'poof' after 2 years. |
| 23:07.19 | deadcat | foo: ah... |
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| 23:08.01 | abrotman | thingfish: they do not |
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| 23:08.22 | thingfish | oh abrotman you just say that because you buy expensive stuff. |
| 23:08.24 | dli | how to fix this Xorg warning, refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. ? |
| 23:08.31 | backz | I'm trying to install debian (and another distros) on my asus a8v / amd64 / 1gb ram. But it appears to not create RAMDISK. It returns: Invalid compressed format (err=2). Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(0,0) |
| 23:08.39 | abrotman | thingfish: eh .. i have a 486(w/working vid card) and a laptop |
| 23:08.43 | Vasistha | hrm. is "enlightened sound daemon" something I can run instead of artsd or alsa? |
| 23:08.48 | thingfish | <big eyes> |
| 23:08.58 | thingfish | abrotman: wow. |
| 23:09.07 | abrotman | thingfish: i sold all my other computers a few years ago |
| 23:09.08 | dli | backz, from installation disk or at rebooting? |
| 23:09.17 | backz | dli, from install disk |
| 23:09.22 | maikol | Vasistha: any idea how to start the installer |
| 23:09.24 | thingfish | abrotman: what are you on now? |
| 23:09.34 | dli | backz, try another installation disk :) |
| 23:09.37 | backz | dli, it happens with any distro |
| 23:09.40 | abrotman | thingfish: my lappy |
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| 23:09.45 | Vasistha | maikol: I really don't know. no experience here |
| 23:09.47 | michael383 | does anyone have direct rendering working with an i945/gma950? |
| 23:10.06 | dli | backz, try the gentoo livecd, I found it's very robust |
| 23:10.16 | abrotman | michael383: see the wiki |
| 23:10.19 | thingfish | well I don't know...maybe ms flight sim 2004 burns up vidcards. |
| 23:10.23 | Vasistha | maikol: I would imagine that you would need to make sure your net install cd has that wireless usb driver |
| 23:10.28 | abrotman | michael383: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 23:10.42 | backz | dli, I was tried ubuntu 5.10 live, ubuntu 6.06, debian sarge, knoppix... |
| 23:10.44 | maikol | Vasistha: thanks |
| 23:10.45 | thingfish | although really it's more processor intensive than gpu intensive. |
| 23:10.48 | Vasistha | maikol: ...which might mean making a custom net install cd ... or perhaps not. I'm really not sure |
| 23:10.58 | dli | backz, that's all debian based :) |
| 23:10.59 | maikol | Vasistha: well, cant use cd anyway |
| 23:11.11 | Vasistha | maikol: ahha. floppies? |
| 23:11.13 | abrotman | thingfish: maybe it's your mobo ? |
| 23:11.18 | dli | backz, you can install debian from any running linux livecd |
| 23:11.26 | Vasistha | maikol: ...or an iso on hard drive? |
| 23:11.29 | abrotman | michael383: you don't have to msg people to say thanks |
| 23:11.37 | backz | dli, why it happens? what is the problem? |
| 23:11.42 | thingfish | abrotman: I hope not...I don't think so. |
| 23:11.44 | maikol | Vasistha: i think floppies would be better. |
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| 23:11.51 | maikol | Vasistha: you now how to make one? |
| 23:12.00 | thingfish | abrotman: very nice high dollar mbd. |
| 23:12.09 | dli | backz, hard to say :( some bios problems? knoppix doesn't boot my laptop |
| 23:12.16 | thingfish | well it was at the time, at least. |
| 23:12.30 | Vasistha | maikol: I really don't ... I just know that the driver will need to be compatible with the kernel, and that you'll have to get those files onto your net install floppies. But I've never done a floppy install |
| 23:12.33 | abrotman | thingfish: you overpaid! |
| 23:12.38 | thingfish | abrotman: hehe |
| 23:12.48 | thingfish | abrotman: of course! Don't we all? |
| 23:12.49 | maikol | Vasistha: alright then, back to google it is |
| 23:13.01 | thingfish | abrotman: never give me a big chunk of money. |
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| 23:13.04 | Vasistha | maikol: google might not be the best place, check the debian install guide |
| 23:13.28 | maikol | Vasistha: good thinking. now that i remember, i only read the cd part |
| 23:13.34 | thingfish | it'll all go to chippendale's dancers and computer hardware. |
| 23:13.41 | abrotman | eh ... no |
| 23:14.09 | thingfish | I don't overpay on everything. plus it's asus, you have to fork over some cash. |
| 23:14.19 | abrotman | eh .. i read that wrong |
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| 23:14.36 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:14.44 | Vasistha | maikol: I'd imagine there ought to be info for you there, there's got to be some documentation on the debian install guide for how to get xyz hardware support onto your floppies or whatever |
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| 23:14.48 | abrotman | i'm glad thingfish got the misread |
| 23:15.11 | maikol | Vasistha: ok, thanks for your help |
| 23:15.19 | Vasistha | maikol: you're welcome |
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| 23:16.08 | abrotman | !beer Silent_al |
| 23:16.09 | humbolt | Is it save to have an LVM root if you have a normal boot partition? |
| 23:16.13 | thingfish | Silent_al: you're in good company. |
| 23:16.23 | thingfish | amen |
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| 23:16.35 | Maquiavelo | Hey guys, where can I fnd apxs2 ? |
| 23:16.40 | thingfish | life's problems are *at least* temporarily solved by a beer or two. |
| 23:16.42 | Silent_al | abrotman, thingfish , thank you guys :D |
| 23:16.45 | Shadowcat | man |
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| 23:16.45 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
| 23:16.55 | abrotman | Stevie: STOP FUCKING DOING THAT |
| 23:17.05 | Shadowcat | XOrg 7 in testing is gonna break A LOT of things |
| 23:17.05 | humbolt | Which filesystem is a good choice. I once lost some files with reiserfs and I am loosing files with ext3 right now. |
| 23:17.14 | Shadowcat | humbolt: that means your hd is failing |
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| 23:17.17 | Shadowcat | get a new drive |
| 23:17.21 | humbolt | brand new |
| 23:17.25 | Shadowcat | so? |
| 23:17.28 | Shadowcat | that doesn't mean it works |
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| 23:17.41 | humbolt | It was too full I believe! |
| 23:17.57 | Shadowcat | one fs loosing files could be blamed on the fs, two fs' loosing files is too much of a coincidence |
| 23:18.02 | Vasistha | humbolt: <bracing for flames> have you tried spinrite? |
| 23:18.07 | humbolt | any way I can check for possible hardware failure? |
| 23:18.20 | Shadowcat | !smart |
| 23:18.20 | dpkg | methinks smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
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| 23:19.03 | thingfish | I just had a hard drive start failing. Grinding noises are always a give-away. |
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| 23:19.34 | Shadowcat | thingfish: that's your teeth :P |
| 23:19.41 | Vasistha | heheh |
| 23:19.53 | thingfish | I mean, if it starts sounding like someone's shaking a can full of gravel, you're in trouble. |
| 23:20.00 | thingfish | hehe Shadowcat |
| 23:20.01 | stoned | holy hell |
| 23:20.03 | humbolt | no noise, everything seems fine! |
| 23:20.11 | stoned | can full of gravel sound from a hdd |
| 23:20.23 | stoned | dude, don't blow anything up, turn that damn thing off NOW |
| 23:20.24 | stoned | :D |
| 23:20.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:20.25 | Azar | we are in june, and Sarge has been released in august last year: this is not "more than one year" right? |
| 23:20.44 | thingfish | and then a dir all of a sudden becomes unreadable... |
| 23:21.07 | Vasistha | Azar: not yet, no... etch is expected in december, though |
| 23:21.09 | thingfish | oh stoned, child, it's long since been disconnected after backing up. |
| 23:21.25 | Azar | Vasistha: I was just reading the news, someone is pulling hair out there |
| 23:21.27 | stoned | ahh word |
| 23:21.45 | dli | thingfish, I have a failing 60GB hdd, all badblocks in the finaly 20GB, but the other 40GB has been used for freenet for months |
| 23:21.51 | Azar | The Debian Project announced that more than one year after the release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 alias 'sarge' |
| 23:22.20 | humbolt | smart says everything is alright with my HDD! |
| 23:22.27 | thingfish | dli: I know what you're saying, and I could probably trust this drive for a little while longer, but my heart is already weakened from too many years of stress. |
| 23:22.35 | Vasistha | Azar: clearly... a poorly informed source |
| 23:22.37 | humbolt | what is a rock solide fs? |
| 23:22.48 | thingfish | humbolt: ext3! |
| 23:22.50 | streuner | !filesystem |
| 23:22.51 | dpkg | filesystem is, like, You can tune a filesystem, but you can't tune a fish. see fs comparison |
| 23:22.53 | streuner | !filesystems |
| 23:22.53 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 23:22.55 | Shadowcat | lok |
| 23:22.57 | Shadowcat | look |
| 23:22.58 | humbolt | what do you guys think about XFS? |
| 23:23.04 | Vasistha | humbolt: well you could use a hammer and chisel, that's rock solid |
| 23:23.04 | Shadowcat | if you're loosing files with ONE fs, that might be the fs |
| 23:23.10 | thingfish | humbolt: experimental. |
| 23:23.12 | Shadowcat | you're loosing files with TWO fses |
| 23:23.20 | Shadowcat | which means that it's not the fs that's at fault |
| 23:23.25 | Azar | x file system? |
| 23:23.33 | thingfish | humbolt: and don't ask about reiserfs or you'll get banned. |
| 23:23.36 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:23.37 | Shadowcat | get that through your thick head |
| 23:23.41 | dli | humbolt, if you don't have a UPS, don't do xfs |
| 23:23.41 | humbolt | thingfish: I don't like ext3 for the fact that it is just ext2 with a journal appended |
| 23:23.43 | Shadowcat | reiser4 > * |
| 23:23.54 | Shadowcat | humbolt: again, this isn't an fs issue |
| 23:23.57 | stoned | Shadowcat, no need to be a prick |
| 23:24.00 | thingfish | humbolt: you asked, I gave you the best possible answer. |
| 23:24.15 | dli | humbolt, I recommend reiser4, if you don't mind patching your kernel |
| 23:24.29 | Shadowcat | finally someone who sees some sense in here |
| 23:24.30 | Shadowcat | :D |
| 23:24.36 | Shadowcat | reiserfs > * |
| 23:24.42 | stoned | rfs is the bees nees |
| 23:24.47 | thingfish | humbolt: if you cared about stability, and you knew anything at all about the subject as it relates to linux filesystems, you wouldn't have even had to ask. |
| 23:25.00 | dli | Shadowcat, I don't recommend reiserfs, reiser4 or ext3 |
| 23:25.03 | Shadowcat | thingfish: the fact that he needs to check his hardware is another thing all together |
| 23:25.03 | stew | humbolt: if you want a safe filesystem, stick to ext3. |
| 23:25.16 | Vasistha | !start a fs war |
| 23:25.16 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
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| 23:25.24 | stew | !fs comparison |
| 23:25.24 | dpkg | methinks filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 23:25.25 | Shadowcat | stew: he's loosing files on both reiserfs and ext3, this isn't an fs issue |
| 23:25.36 | abrotman | losing |
| 23:25.38 | Shadowcat | but obviously people in here DON'T get that |
| 23:25.43 | stew | thats not the right one |
| 23:25.51 | stew | abrotman: which is the fs comparison i'm looking for? |
| 23:25.51 | dli | Shadowcat, reiser4 on raid1 :) |
| 23:25.53 | thingfish | Shadowcat: oh he is? I missed that. |
| 23:25.53 | abrotman | so .. could be hardware |
| 23:25.57 | abrotman | stew: that's it afaik |
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| 23:25.59 | Vasistha | Shadowcat: that's why I suggested the hammer and chisel... |
| 23:26.02 | abrotman | !listkeys filesystem |
| 23:26.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'filesystem' by key (13 of 14): _default filesystem comparison ;; filesystems ;; #debian filesystem ;; _default filesystems ;; #debian filesystems ;; filesystem ;; start a filesystem war ;; #debian filesystem comparison ;; _default start a filesystem war ;; which filesystem ;; _default filesystem ;; filesystem benchmark ;; #debian start a filesystem war. |
| 23:26.15 | stew | !filesystem comparison |
| 23:26.15 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is probably http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 23:26.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:26.19 | stew | grr |
| 23:26.21 | thingfish | oh well yeah if it's fs independent you're losing (probably) a hard drive. |
| 23:26.22 | abrotman | !filesystems |
| 23:26.22 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 23:26.26 | abrotman | that one ? |
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| 23:26.39 | stew | yes |
| 23:26.41 | humbolt | Shadowcat: the reiserfs fault was long time ago on another system in the early reiserfs days! |
| 23:26.52 | abrotman | that doesn't make it good |
| 23:26.56 | abrotman | windows uses ntfs by default |
| 23:26.57 | brlancer | can the 'frm' command accept multiple field arguments? |
| 23:26.59 | humbolt | so it is not my hardware and SMART is telling me everything is alright! |
| 23:27.12 | Shadowcat | humbolt: so run the full smart test |
| 23:27.15 | Shadowcat | and we'll see you in an hour |
| 23:27.27 | stew | we still see more people in here complaining about broken reiser compared to broken ext3, and you can assume that far more people run ext3 than reiser |
| 23:27.27 | brlancer | and if so, how? |
| 23:27.29 | Shadowcat | it'll fail somewhere along the way I bet |
| 23:27.42 | Shadowcat | stew: reiser4 rules :P |
| 23:27.43 | Azar | so the Pre-Seeding is out |
| 23:27.49 | humbolt | fsbench link is not working! |
| 23:27.50 | thingfish | I can't wait for windows vista so I can have pretty 3-d window borders. |
| 23:27.58 | stoned | lol |
| 23:28.04 | thingfish | I mean that's easily worth $200. |
| 23:28.05 | Shadowcat | thingfish: we should ban you for that comment alone |
| 23:28.10 | stoned | lol |
| 23:28.11 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 23:28.18 | thingfish | Shadowcat: my heart is evil. |
| 23:28.49 | humbolt | Da steh ich nun ich armer Thor und bin so schlau als wie zuvor! |
| 23:28.59 | stoned | its like this. If microsoft didn't exist, would linux have been born? |
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| 23:29.10 | thingfish | wir sprachen nicht deutsch |
| 23:29.31 | thingfish | !de |
| 23:29.31 | dpkg | from memory, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:29.32 | Vasistha | stoned: well... quite possibly |
| 23:29.38 | streuner | sprachen is Past Tense |
| 23:29.46 | stoned | ms+ibm gave a huge push to the microprocessor and home pc |
| 23:30.04 | streuner | thingfish: wrong, there are many guys who speak very well german and not only germans :-) |
| 23:30.11 | Vasistha | stoned: unix already existed, and there were (I believe mostly) non-free unixes... RMS was working on GNU in the early 80s, maybe even the 70s |
| 23:30.14 | thingfish | streuner: I only had one semester of german, sorry. I'm way better with romance and slavic languages. |
| 23:30.39 | streuner | thingfish: so you study languages? |
| 23:30.47 | Maquiavelo | How do I solve a dependency problem with apt like this? apache2-threaded-dev: Depends: apache2-common (= 2.0.54-5) but 2.0.54-5.swsoft.2 is to be installed |
| 23:30.50 | Snoz | hello everybody |
| 23:30.51 | humbolt | anyhow, I read all the benchmarks but they don't tell me anything about stability! |
| 23:30.54 | thingfish | streuner: but thanks for the correction - in language matters, correction is the only way to learn. |
| 23:30.57 | Vasistha | stoned: that is quite true, but things were slowly moving in that direction anyway. apple was also hard at work. When I was growing up, we had an NEC in the early 80s, with two 8" floppy drives |
| 23:31.01 | magyar | is there a way to encrypt torrent communications? |
| 23:31.02 | Snoz | i am trying to install a unstable debian |
| 23:31.07 | thingfish | streuner: I did - I got my BA in russian. |
| 23:31.13 | streuner | thingfish: the only way is to speak. |
| 23:31.22 | stoned | Vasistha, I know my history, just saying that I think despite the fact that ms has never made a decent product worth a fuck, they were integral to the development of pc life |
| 23:31.23 | humbolt | Every time I am looking into the matter, I end up with no result what so ever! |
| 23:31.25 | Snoz | but it does not wants me to partitionate the hardisk, there is no menu |
| 23:31.30 | Snoz | what could I do ? |
| 23:31.31 | Maquiavelo | How do I solve a dependency problem with apt like this? apache2-threaded-dev: Depends: apache2-common (= 2.0.54-5) but 2.0.54-5.swsoft.2 is to be installed |
| 23:31.34 | thingfish | streuner: was getting into balto-slavic linguistics. |
| 23:31.41 | Vasistha | magyar: that would require participation from the other torrenters, so essentially, no. |
| 23:31.41 | Shadowcat | Snoz: if you're asking that you shouldn't be running unstable |
| 23:31.53 | Vasistha | !repeat |
| 23:31.54 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:31.59 | Vasistha | Maquiavelo: ^^^ |
| 23:31.59 | Snoz | i tried with the testing too... |
| 23:32.18 | Snoz | Shadowcat: the disk is seen as /dev/hda |
| 23:32.25 | Snoz | and I can mount it |
| 23:32.25 | Shadowcat | so partition it |
| 23:32.26 | magyar | Vasistha: :( |
| 23:32.31 | streuner | thingfish: its not that common to speak such languages, why? |
| 23:32.33 | Maquiavelo | Vasistha Yea, I guess. |
| 23:32.34 | Snoz | I did, with fdisk |
| 23:32.42 | Shadowcat | you don't partition it with fdisk |
| 23:32.43 | Snoz | but I don't know how to set the / |
| 23:32.47 | Shadowcat | damnit there's an installer for a reason |
| 23:32.49 | Vasistha | stoned: well they certainly played a very large role. Gates said he wanted to put a pc in every home in america, and MS has done a remarkable job to that end. |
| 23:32.50 | Shadowcat | USE it |
| 23:32.58 | Shadowcat | !tell Snoz about d-i |
| 23:33.01 | Snoz | yes Shadowcat :) but it does not let me do that ! |
| 23:33.01 | Azar | Snoz: why were you tring to install the Debian unstable? |
| 23:33.11 | thingfish | streuner: well I have always proceeded under the assumption that one should study what interests one. |
| 23:33.18 | Shadowcat | Snoz: read the installer documentation |
| 23:33.22 | Vasistha | stoned: at the same time ... of course we can't know... but I'd imagine things would have moved in that direction anyway, albeit more slowly |
| 23:33.26 | Shadowcat | man do we have to teach people how to navigate menus around here? |
| 23:33.39 | Snoz | Shadowcat: the menu isn't here |
| 23:33.40 | magyar | Vasistha: i tried using a torrent, for the first time. Next thing is , i recive a mail "From: universal-studios-no-reply@copyright-compliance.com" |
| 23:33.44 | Snoz | it usually is... |
| 23:33.46 | thingfish | streuner: I find languages, human vocal expression, interesting. |
| 23:33.47 | Shadowcat | Snoz: the menu is there |
| 23:33.48 | stoned | I need to stop smoking |
| 23:34.02 | thingfish | stoned: me too. I think it holds me back sometimes. |
| 23:34.05 | Vasistha | magyar: well, maybe you should not be violating copyright law? |
| 23:34.07 | petemc | make some shiva bhang |
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| 23:34.11 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:34.15 | Shadowcat | unless you're running a daily build of the installer in which case our response would be WTF |
| 23:34.24 | Shadowcat | because those aren't guaranteed to work |
| 23:34.27 | stoned | petemc, every year at the Holi festival |
| 23:34.28 | thingfish | yeah well of course if you get good enough pot you're never going to quit. |
| 23:34.30 | Maquiavelo | How do I solve a dependency problem with apt like this? apache2-threaded-dev: Depends: apache2-common (= 2.0.54-5) but 2.0.54-5.swsoft.2 is to be installed, it's very strange, anyone has any idea about it? I'm using Sarge 3.1. Thank you for any help provided. |
| 23:34.30 | stoned | Bhang and charas :) |
| 23:34.35 | Snoz | but I only see things about Raid, LVM, assisted partitionning, help, two empty spaces, cancel, end |
| 23:34.41 | petemc | stoned: i do it, but its a lot of work.. |
| 23:34.43 | magyar | Vasistha: in my country i dont |
| 23:34.44 | Snoz | (this is in french, i am translating) |
| 23:34.49 | stoned | petemc, you're indian? |
| 23:34.53 | thingfish | what's bhang and charas? |
| 23:34.53 | petemc | negative |
| 23:34.59 | Vasistha | magyar: alright, then just file it as spam ;-) |
| 23:34.59 | abrotman | Maquiavelo: stop using unofficial sources |
| 23:35.10 | Shadowcat | !tell Snoz about fr |
| 23:35.16 | Vasistha | thingfish: bhang is a word for marijuana I believe |
| 23:35.21 | magyar | Vasistha: got it, thanks |
| 23:35.29 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.29 | thingfish | Vasistha: ah, I see. |
| 23:35.36 | stoned | mad* |
| 23:35.38 | Azar | Maquiavelo: wrong timing for your question |
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| 23:35.48 | thingfish | so what is charas - hash? |
| 23:35.58 | petemc | stoned: no kidding, with a nick like that.. |
| 23:36.04 | Maquiavelo | Azar Excuse me? |
| 23:36.18 | stoned | thingfish, bhang is the strain of the budd plant, you make tea with the leaves and put that tea in milkshake or juices or make your own ice cream concoction put it inyour food |
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| 23:36.30 | stoned | thingfish, 1 glass of bhang, you will hallunicate strongly for 2 days at least |
| 23:36.37 | thingfish | oh wow pot ice cream I mean I'm there babe |
| 23:36.49 | petemc | thats not quite how i make it |
| 23:36.54 | thingfish | that's like got all bases covered... |
| 23:36.56 | Vasistha | heh, I had a friend who used to make "nice cream" and sell it for $20/pint |
| 23:36.56 | streuner | haha |
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| 23:37.25 | stoned | thingfish, charas is hashish yes |
| 23:37.30 | thingfish | cool |
| 23:37.30 | stoned | charas == urdu/hindi |
| 23:37.36 | petemc | http://www.yerma.org/~pete/ |
| 23:37.52 | thingfish | well I saw a similarity in the words, so that's why I was wondering. |
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| 23:39.00 | stew | anyway that is fixed |
| 23:39.00 | Azar | how do you call woody today? old-stable? will that work in the apt sources.list? |
| 23:39.12 | Vasistha | Azar: I think so... oldstable |
| 23:39.17 | Gnea | !woody |
| 23:39.17 | dpkg | woody is, like, the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 will be terminated on 2006-06-30 |
| 23:39.25 | Azar | thanks Vasistha , Gnea |
| 23:39.47 | deadcat | we need a site where #debian users can upload their latest screenshots (= |
| 23:39.49 | Azar | I guess going by its name would do |
| 23:39.57 | streuner | well, at least old-stable is in mirrors |
| 23:40.00 | benjamindees | where can I find out what packages are on what CD? |
| 23:40.10 | Vasistha | deadcat: well there's kdelook |
| 23:40.11 | streuner | but i think that will change after 2006-06-30 |
| 23:40.22 | Azar | streuner: today I guess it got its cord cut from security updates |
| 23:40.22 | deadcat | Vasistha: #debian users |
| 23:40.38 | streuner | hm |
| 23:40.46 | streuner | !listkeys content |
| 23:40.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'content' by key (3): cd contents ;; #debian cd contents ;; _default cd contents. |
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| 23:40.58 | threw | hi |
| 23:41.05 | streuner | benjamindees: try /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 23:41.07 | Vasistha | deadcat: yeah, but... I mean, what's in common, y'know? The users of a DE really have much more in common than users of a distro :P -- except perhaps a number of us might have debian wallpaper |
| 23:41.33 | stoned | I have debian stickers on my monitors |
| 23:41.41 | stoned | and on my car, and my closet, my booksack |
| 23:41.48 | deadcat | Vasistha: its more like what/how #debian users setup their desktop/wm than anything else.. |
| 23:41.49 | stoned | my laptops, keyboard |
| 23:41.53 | threw | im running on etch: could anyone tell me how to install qt3 and qt4 development headers and libraries please ?? |
| 23:41.55 | stoned | hehe, debian stickers all over the p alce |
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| 23:42.01 | benjamindees | thank you streuner |
| 23:42.02 | streuner | heh, iam actually wearing a Debian T-Shirt :-) |
| 23:42.04 | deadcat | stoned: the $2 sticker? |
| 23:42.08 | Vasistha | deadcat: that's a good point ... although I'd still imagine there's tremendous variety! |
| 23:42.11 | streuner | benjamindees: you're welcome. |
| 23:42.12 | stoned | deadcat, no I printed them |
| 23:42.20 | MatBoy | is SATA300 really faster than SATA150 ? Or can't you pull the Bandwith 100% full of both ? |
| 23:42.23 | deadcat | stoned: hahaha. el cheapo (= |
| 23:42.25 | sgeigerbot | Can anymore here find any thread of truth in this article? http://www.cmpnetasia.com/oct3_nw_viewart.cfm?Artid=28801&Catid=8&subcat=89§ion=News It makes me think it was funded by Microsoft. |
| 23:42.30 | stoned | deadcat, yup |
| 23:43.05 | stoned | deadcat, the cigars I smoke, I order from Corona Cigar Company in florida, they are called El Cheapos, nicaraguan handmade, 75c a stick |
| 23:43.07 | deadcat | Vasistha: because if you go say kde-look or gnome-look they all use gnome or kde. here we have all sorts of DE or WM.. know what i mean? |
| 23:43.11 | stoned | hehe |
| 23:43.13 | Shadowcat | !whack sgeigerbot |
| 23:43.14 | stoned | el cheapo lol |
| 23:43.18 | deadcat | stoned: hehe. nice |
| 23:43.34 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 23:43.44 | Azar | bah I will never use kde or gnome |
| 23:43.46 | Shadowcat | deadcat, greycat, Shadowcat, too many cats in here |
| 23:43.54 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: fuck cmpnetasia, they even have a typo ;) |
| 23:44.07 | deadcat | i want a debian or linux patch for my bag. although my bag has a swirl, but its the timbuk2 swirl. pretty nice i might add. |
| 23:44.16 | Vasistha | deadcat: I guess the main question in my mind is, whom is it for? How would seeing this help someone decide that what they want is debian? The advantages of running debian, IMO, are not easily communicable by a screenshot |
| 23:44.22 | deadcat | Shadowcat: greycat no longer come here. |
| 23:44.25 | abrotman | deadcat: try cafepress |
| 23:44.27 | thingfish | oh hey speaking of articles, did you guys see that articles at linux.com about HP and something called carrier grade debian? |
| 23:44.28 | Gnea | it's "shown", not "showed" |
| 23:44.36 | abrotman | thingfish: yes |
| 23:44.38 | Shadowcat | deadcat: I think I'm gonna design a "Not Designed for Windows" logo |
| 23:44.38 | deadcat | abrotman: they have the shittiest stuff. dont ask why |
| 23:44.39 | thingfish | s/articles/article |
| 23:44.45 | deadcat | Shadowcat: hehe |
| 23:44.49 | Maulkin | gah |
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| 23:44.54 | thingfish | abrotman: makes ya feel all proud, doesn't it? |
| 23:45.00 | Maulkin | Tracker down, and here I am with a nice 100Mbit connection |
| 23:45.08 | deadcat | Vasistha: oh. its not for anyone. i just want to see other #debian users' screenshot (= hahah |
| 23:45.08 | Maulkin | (Lo all) |
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| 23:45.19 | abrotman | thingfish: you know what would make me feel really good .. if HP would officially support Debian on the equipment they sell |
| 23:45.21 | Vasistha | deadcat: I kinda thought so :-) |
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| 23:45.24 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: definately ms-powered, when they talk about the failure rate, with is hardware, not software |
| 23:45.26 | Azar | I hope debian will not, in any future push an installer with a kde or gnome default, or I will die |
| 23:45.27 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: If people can't do IT, they do journalism about IT. |
| 23:45.33 | Maulkin | abrotman: They sort of do now. |
| 23:45.39 | peterS | yeah so, remind me why we're talking about Windows |
| 23:45.40 | thingfish | oh abrotman yes that would be wonderful. |
| 23:45.43 | abrotman | Maulkin: eh .. no |
| 23:45.43 | peterS | or Microsoft |
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| 23:45.50 | abrotman | Maulkin: not in .us |
| 23:46.03 | abrotman | last thing i heard they sold with Debian was their blades .. like 3-4 years ago |
| 23:46.06 | deadcat | i thought we are talking about screenshots. |
| 23:46.07 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: it's just part of ms's campaign to bolster more lies to support the upcoming vista |
| 23:46.10 | thingfish | abrotman: especially since lenovo has now stated that they have no intention of supporting or installing linux on thinkpads. |
| 23:46.25 | abrotman | thingfish: i wonder if emperor linux will die |
| 23:46.33 | Azar | haha, lenovo, e-machines, HP |
| 23:46.35 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: anyway, it's not anything to worry too much about |
| 23:46.36 | Shadowcat | Gnea: vista == viruses infections spyware trojans adware |
| 23:46.48 | thingfish | abrotman: emperor linux I know nothing about. |
| 23:46.51 | Maulkin | abrotman: No... |
| 23:46.54 | Gnea | Shadowcat: in a wannabe chroot jail |
| 23:46.59 | Shadowcat | that too |
| 23:47.00 | Maulkin | abrotman: As of yesterday. Trying to find ref. |
| 23:47.08 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: The downtimes they mentioned were horrific. Did you have nearly 20 hours of downtime this year? |
| 23:47.12 | abrotman | Maulkin: i saw .. that is not support from HP IIRC |
| 23:47.14 | sgeigerbot | for each server?! |
| 23:47.25 | peterS | Gnea, Shadowcat: uh, why are you talking about Windows here? who cares? |
| 23:47.30 | Maulkin | abrotman: Ahh, the Debian-something thing they're doing? |
| 23:47.42 | thingfish | heh I don't think 'downtime' is even in the Debian dictionary. |
| 23:47.43 | Azar | isn't that they push nowadays sata drives just to harrass linux users? |
| 23:47.43 | abrotman | Maulkin: the carrier grade linux |
| 23:47.45 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: that's like 2.5 "nines" |
| 23:47.48 | Maulkin | abrotman: that's the one |
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| 23:47.55 | Vasistha | sgeigerbot: I'd imagine that might be because the survey does not take into consideration the budget of the firms running. They may have included a number of super-low-budget linux servers where some major downtime happened and some guy running it didn't really know how to fix it and didn't call anybody |
| 23:47.58 | Maulkin | abrotman: Is that just a CDD or something then? |
| 23:48.04 | abrotman | Maulkin: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5258815901.html |
| 23:48.50 | Vasistha | Shadowcat: I kinda like, "Viruses, Indruders, Spyware, Trojans: Attack!" |
| 23:48.51 | sgeigerbot | Vasistha: it's infuriating nevertheless because people like my boss will read that and think you can't do better than windows. |
| 23:48.54 | sgeigerbot | ewwww. |
| 23:49.08 | Shadowcat | !vista |
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| 23:49.14 | Vasistha | sgeigerbot: well, irresponsible journalism is... irresponsible |
| 23:49.26 | abrotman | Maulkin: it doesn't say they'll actually support it |
| 23:49.57 | Shadowcat | !vista is <reply> Viruses Infections Spyware Trojans Adware | Viruses, Intruders, Spyware, Trojans: ATTACK! |
| 23:49.57 | dpkg | Shadowcat: okay |
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| 23:50.00 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: you're missing the point dude - the downtime is completely irrelevent. if they used maxtors instead of compaqs, ibms or wds, then that's what they get. if your boss tries to use that, pull up some articles talking about hardware failure rate. |
| 23:50.31 | abrotman | Maulkin: hell .. afaict .. they don't even say they will sell it with debian |
| 23:50.38 | thingfish | the vista factoid should say something to the effect that it'll be the first o.s. that requires more system resources than any program you could possibly run on it. |
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| 23:50.49 | Vasistha | haha |
| 23:50.59 | dbe | how can I check the domain registrar of a domain? |
| 23:51.01 | Vasistha | it could also point to the uncyclopedia article, which is quite nice |
| 23:51.08 | Gnea | dbe: whois |
| 23:51.12 | Vasistha | dbe: google whois |
| 23:51.12 | dbe | Gnea, thx |
| 23:51.45 | abrotman | Maulkin: sorry .. sell those servers with debian |
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| 23:52.00 | abrotman | Maulkin: i would guess bperens or bdale might know more .. |
| 23:52.04 | Vasistha | so, I'm looking for a sound server... alsa doesn't support my hardware, and arts seems to be flaky. Any suggestions? |
| 23:52.12 | Maulkin | abrotman: YEah, probably :) |
| 23:52.15 | peterS | thingfish: better yet, we could talk about _debian_ in here and, you know, talk about vista _somewhere else_ |
| 23:52.21 | Ortolo | do debian maintainer know that reportbug is broken on sid ? |
| 23:52.26 | Ortolo | +s |
| 23:52.28 | peterS | Ortolo: reportbug isn't broken on sid |
| 23:52.30 | thingfish | peterS: sure thing, hon. |
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| 23:52.31 | abrotman | Maulkin: even though bruce doens't work there anymore afaik |
| 23:52.34 | peterS | Ortolo: that's yesterday's news |
| 23:52.34 | Ortolo | really ? |
| 23:52.37 | abrotman | Ortolo: update again |
| 23:52.41 | Ortolo | ok, thank you. |
| 23:52.51 | Vasistha | peterS: but we -like- dpkg to have a nice repertoir of jokes! |
| 23:53.16 | thingfish | peterS: it's just that sometimes it's hard not to gloat over how good Debian sarge is. |
| 23:53.18 | stew | !peterssmite Vasistha |
| 23:53.19 | peterS | Vasistha: but jokes about Microsoft are lame. |
| 23:53.34 | stew | hmm there actually is a peterssmite that mentions useless factoids |
| 23:53.38 | thingfish | oh peterS don't be a negative nelly. |
| 23:53.41 | Vasistha | is thingfish a girl? :-) |
| 23:53.42 | peterS | thingfish: you're not talking about debian sarge, you're making unsupported potshots at an OS we don't actually care about |
| 23:53.51 | thingfish | Vasistha: sort of ;) |
| 23:54.02 | thingfish | oh peterS chill out |
| 23:54.04 | Vasistha | genetically, only. |
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| 23:54.38 | peterS | if you want to talk about debian sarge, that's fine, that's on-topic. |
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| 23:54.48 | Vasistha | peterS: oh, but so many people come in here asking how to dual boot debian and xp or whatever, so it's fair game to make fun of windows OS's -- I mean windows is probably the only update that took longer to update than woody |
| 23:54.58 | thingfish | peterS: not another word about any other o.s. or even distro shall ever be typed using these fingers, if it'll please your soul. |
| 23:55.11 | peterS | I guess it just annoys me that people _still_ pay so much attention to Microsoft and everything they do. what I'd really like to see is a point where someone mentions microsoft and everyone here kind of goes "oh, they're still around?" |
| 23:55.13 | Vasistha | thingfish: I don't believe you! |
| 23:55.17 | thingfish | peterS: don't talk in that tone; you're not an op. |
| 23:55.23 | peterS | thingfish: that would _so_ please my soul |
| 23:55.31 | beardy | peterS: oh, they're still around? |
| 23:55.38 | peterS | beardy: apparently yes |
| 23:55.39 | Vasistha | micro-what? |
| 23:55.55 | beardy | peterS: I don't believe that. |
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| 23:56.13 | petemc | you should get out more |
| 23:56.24 | amphi | out where? |
| 23:56.29 | thingfish | anyway if I pissed people off, I'm sorry, I mean what do you expect from me. |
| 23:56.47 | thingfish | hehe it's like get in line. |
| 23:56.47 | beardy | abrotman: It says "Take a dump, but leave some paper for the next guy". |
| 23:56.54 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:56.58 | peterS | amphi: there are places where you can't see walls on all sides. or so I'm told. |
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| 23:57.35 | stew | peterS: you mean like one of those rooms with windows? |
| 23:57.47 | peterS | stew: doh, you just _had_ to bring Windows back into this |
| 23:57.56 | beardy | peterS: If I will be convinced that Microsoft exists if I go outside, I will not go outside anymore. |
| 23:58.12 | amphi | peterS: you mean like the church of St-Peter-Without-the-Walls ? |
| 23:58.36 | peterS | amphi: I am not familiar with that one. if it has no walls, I guess that's the kind of place I have heard these rumors about, yes |
| 23:58.52 | stew | peterS: i don't have to go outside, sometimes i just stare out the windows and admire the vista |
| 23:58.56 | thingfish | yes, stew, we don't want to upset peterS now do we. |
| 23:59.02 | beardy | I think I should do something constructive instead, like playing a shootergame with bots. |
| 23:59.17 | peterS | now now, sulking doesn't become you |
| 23:59.40 | thingfish | oh yeah well I definitely don't want to sulk. |
