| 00:00.10 | thingfish | I just wish I were at a bar with a bunch of debian buddies. |
| 00:00.26 | beardy | So they could have a fistfight? |
| 00:00.34 | thingfish | hell no! |
| 00:00.44 | Vasistha | somehow I don't see a bar as the place I would want to meet debian buddies |
| 00:00.47 | thingfish | love and mellowness all around, is what I say. |
| 00:00.56 | beardy | !beer thingfish |
| 00:00.57 | Stevie | love and mellowness? sounds like an ubuntu thing |
| 00:01.01 | Vasistha | that's actually probably because I never go to bars... |
| 00:01.08 | beardy | Stevie: Don't be so negative!! |
| 00:01.12 | Stevie | hahaha |
| 00:01.13 | peterS | I don't think I seriously proposed a moratorium on mentioning Microsoft or its products, but honestly, it _is_ usually off-topic (except when discussing its actual interoperability with Debian). I just wish the world at large would get the point that it's possible to discuss free software without bringing Microsoft into the discussion, either to compare with or to make fun of |
| 00:01.14 | Stevie | ;) |
| 00:01.16 | thingfish | Vasistha: one can have lots of fun there. |
| 00:01.26 | stew | Stevie: can you turn off whatever makes you reply to "man" and "helo"? |
| 00:01.33 | Vasistha | thingfish: curious, where do you live, like what part of the world? |
| 00:01.34 | Stevie | It is off. |
| 00:01.39 | stew | Stevie: thanks |
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| 00:01.50 | thingfish | Vasistha: I live in redneckville, usa. |
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| 00:02.08 | thingfish | kansas city missouri. |
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| 00:02.19 | Vasistha | thingfish: haha. alright. well anyway, I really don't like bars in Los Angeles, but I have been in a few bars in wyoming that were not half bad |
| 00:02.34 | thingfish | wyoming huh... |
| 00:02.37 | bsims | Amarok says no valid engines, any ideas I tried deleting the old amarok .file but no joy any ideas |
| 00:02.40 | peterS | thingfish: you really don't get out much, do you? go 300 miles west on I-70 and then tell me that KCMO is redneckville. (: |
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| 00:02.57 | Vasistha | I worked in yellowstone park for a while |
| 00:02.59 | thingfish | hehe peterS you are definitely right on that one. |
| 00:03.06 | Vasistha | ...so it was actually an employee pub |
| 00:03.14 | Vasistha | or, a couple of them. |
| 00:03.21 | thingfish | peterS: you talking salina? |
| 00:03.25 | thingfish | or thereabouts? |
| 00:03.28 | peterS | thingfish: more like Hays |
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| 00:03.35 | peterS | thingfish: but Salina is probably close enough |
| 00:03.35 | maher | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.39 | thingfish | ah yes been through Hays... |
| 00:03.51 | thingfish | there's that big monastery there. |
| 00:04.06 | thingfish | well, friary, to be technically correct. |
| 00:04.28 | peterS | once you've been through Hays and Colby it's hard to think of KC as anything but a bustling metropolis of the 21st century |
| 00:04.31 | cbchui | just a small question, when i do a apt-get remove package name, how do i delete all the files it created as well, and also how i delete the dependencies installed with them. |
| 00:04.47 | thingfish | peterS: oh it is, with all the inherent problems. |
| 00:04.51 | Vasistha | cbchui: well deborphan might be helpful, as debfoster |
| 00:05.02 | cbchui | yea read about it thanks , just wanna check |
| 00:05.07 | peterS | cbchui: use 'aptitude install' and 'aptitude remove' - if you use both, it'll handle dependencies the way you want |
| 00:05.07 | Vasistha | cbchui: if you apt-get remove --purge that will remove more files... |
| 00:05.12 | maher | cbchui: try --purge and use aptitude in future which can keep track of such things... |
| 00:05.12 | abrotman | cbchui: or start using aptitude |
| 00:05.18 | cbchui | i have aptitude too |
| 00:05.31 | peterS | cbchui: and 'aptitude purge' instead of 'aptitude remove' if you want it to remove more files |
| 00:05.47 | cbchui | okay thanks for advice |
| 00:07.36 | thingfish | god I just need to not even get my hands near the keyboard between 16:00 and 19:00. |
| 00:08.11 | cbchui | is linux debian cbt good ? |
| 00:08.32 | abrotman | cbt? |
| 00:08.38 | abrotman | computer based training ? |
| 00:08.41 | cbchui | yea |
| 00:08.56 | cbchui | what are the best methods to master debian ? any books to recommend or video trainings ? |
| 00:08.58 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 00:09.00 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 00:09.01 | beardy | Vasistha: try esd and the rest, but probably same shit |
| 00:09.01 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 00:09.36 | Vasistha | beardy: so esd is a sound daemon/server that will allow me to, e.g., play from mplayer and xmms at the same time (not that anyone would want to, but just as an example?) |
| 00:09.59 | beardy | Vasistha: Yes, if you don't have a real soundcard, it will let you do that. |
| 00:10.11 | beardy | Vasistha: And artsd does that aswell, doesn't it? |
| 00:10.22 | stew | !dmix |
| 00:10.23 | dpkg | it has been said that dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 00:10.29 | Vasistha | beardy: hrm, "real soundcard"? yeah, artsd does, but it's flaky. |
| 00:10.40 | Vasistha | stew: alsa doesn't jive with my hardware :P |
| 00:10.44 | beardy | Vasistha: real, as in able of hardware mixing. |
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| 00:11.00 | stew | Vasistha: get yourself a cheap soundblaster live that supports playing mutiple streams in hardware |
| 00:11.13 | Vasistha | beardy: it's a laptop... |
| 00:11.36 | stew | Vasistha: which sourccard? |
| 00:11.36 | thingfish | boy really for like $15 u.s. your problems are solved. |
| 00:11.39 | thingfish | oh |
| 00:11.43 | beardy | heh |
| 00:12.02 | Vasistha | hmm, what's the command-line equivalent of kinfocenter? |
| 00:12.13 | Pryon | top? |
| 00:12.40 | abrotman | atop? |
| 00:12.44 | beardy | Vasistha: lspci, with your taste of -v's after |
| 00:12.48 | Vasistha | the card might very well be capable of mixing multiple streams, but using OSS, any app that attaches to /dev/dsp monopolizes it |
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| 00:13.43 | mage | heh my sister had a laptop that I couldn't find windows drivers for, but after I learned linux stuffs and more about hardware I realized its sb compatible :) |
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| 00:14.37 | Vasistha | hmm, I can't seem to find any info about the soundcard in kinfocenter or lspci. I know I have this written down somewhere... it's a funky one that no distro can ever autodetect |
| 00:15.05 | stew | Vasistha: run update-pciids ; then try lspci again |
| 00:15.59 | peterS | Vasistha: older laptop? install isapnptools and run pnpdump |
| 00:16.25 | stew | Vasistha: or which module are you using for oss? |
| 00:16.28 | Vasistha | alright, I'll try the isapnptools thing, looks like a good idea. |
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| 00:17.39 | Vasistha | all's I know is, in order to get the thing to work AT ALL, I have put this into /etc/rc?-something : modprobe sound; modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=5; modprobe opl3 io=0x388 |
| 00:17.45 | xevious | why does debian want to install 2.4.27 when i try to install kernel-source? |
| 00:17.54 | Vasistha | ...but I'm checking out the isapnptools... |
| 00:18.02 | xevious | why dont any 2.6 series kernels show up in aptitude |
| 00:18.02 | xevious | ? |
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| 00:18.11 | jazbo2187 | Do I have to set forwardX11 to "yes" in ssh_config in order to do x11 forwarding? |
| 00:18.14 | peterS | Vasistha: oh if you already know exactly what the card is, pnpdump won't tell you much new |
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| 00:18.24 | stew | xevious: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:18.29 | xevious | etch |
| 00:18.34 | peterS | jazbo2187: you can run ssh -X or ssh -Y, but the server must have it enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 00:18.57 | stew | xevious: do you see any packages starting with "linux-image-2.6...." |
| 00:19.22 | Vasistha | pnpdump : no boards found |
| 00:19.24 | jazbo2187 | What's the difference between "ForwardX11" and "ForwardX11Trusted"? |
| 00:19.32 | peterS | jazbo2187: they're both documented |
| 00:19.37 | xevious | stew: yea |
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| 00:19.54 | peterS | 'man ssh_config' |
| 00:19.54 | Vasistha | stew: so, how do I know which module I'm using for OSS? |
| 00:19.57 | cminyard | Is there a way to use dpkg to check the integrity of the installed files? |
| 00:20.15 | maher | cminyard: debsums |
| 00:20.15 | Vasistha | I guess it could be either 'sound' or 'sb' or 'opl3' |
| 00:20.21 | k-man_ | is there any router projects, like say m0n0wall, but based on linux? |
| 00:20.30 | jazbo2187 | peterS: yeah I can't understant the difference |
| 00:20.44 | mc__ | k-man_, lots of |
| 00:20.46 | peterS | Vasistha: opl3 is just for the synthesizer, people don't usually use that anyway. sb is the main module. |
| 00:20.56 | mc__ | k-god, ask google,it's your frien |
| 00:20.57 | mc__ | d |
| 00:21.13 | k-man_ | mc__, i did, and nothing stood out afaict |
| 00:21.32 | xevious | oh well |
| 00:21.45 | mc__ | k-man_, |
| 00:21.47 | mc__ | k-man_, http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=linux+for+firewall&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 00:22.06 | mc__ | k-man_, the 5th search result is nice |
| 00:22.20 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 00:22.29 | Vasistha | peterS: alright... well, based on the fact that I am using the 'sb' module -- is that necessarily OSS, or can 'sb' be used with something other than OSS? |
| 00:22.39 | mc__ | k-man_, no problem |
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| 00:23.10 | peterS | Vasistha: no that's OSS. there are several alsa drivers for various soundblaster models |
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| 00:23.42 | peterS | Vasistha: snd-sb8, snd-sb16, snd-sbawe, snd-es968 |
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| 00:23.57 | stew | did we figure out if its pci or isa? |
| 00:24.02 | peterS | for the soundblaster, soundblaster16, soundblaster32, and Ensoniq stuff |
| 00:24.11 | peterS | stew: it's an ISA soundblaster compatible of some sort |
| 00:24.19 | Vasistha | peterS: alright, good to know. I've shied away from alsa due to receiving several reports from other armada 1750 users that they could not get alsa working at all |
| 00:24.39 | Vasistha | stew: but pnpdump couldn't find it |
| 00:24.49 | peterS | Vasistha: anyway, 'sb' handles lots of soundblaster series hardware, so it's hard to know which type you actually have (so which alsa module) |
| 00:25.09 | Vasistha | humm. I know I can find this out ... I've got web bookmarks for it. |
| 00:25.44 | cminyard | maher, thanks |
| 00:25.47 | peterS | Vasistha: you can also do 'dmesg' to see what the sb driver had to say to the kernel log when it loaded. it might give specifics of what kind of chip it found |
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| 00:28.05 | Vasistha | ESS1688 AudioDrive / I/O-Port=0x220 / IRQ=5 / DMA=0 / MPU-I/O=0x330 |
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| 00:28.56 | redblades | Hi, what is the command to install x-window-system-core ? |
| 00:28.59 | redblades | is that it? |
| 00:29.11 | p3rti | hi.. someonw know what means this error? http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/release/dvd/kubuntu-6.06-dvd-i386.iso.torrent |
| 00:29.15 | p3rti | *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080631b0 *** |
| 00:29.17 | p3rti | sorry |
| 00:29.18 | p3rti | :S |
| 00:29.28 | redblades | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 00:29.29 | redblades | ???? |
| 00:29.51 | Vasistha | redblades: search packages.debian.org then you'll find appropriate names for apt-get |
| 00:29.54 | stew | !debwiki p3rti Status/Unstable |
| 00:29.54 | dpkg | p3rti: http://wiki.debian.org/Status/Unstable |
| 00:30.01 | deadcat | redblades: apt-get install |
| 00:30.11 | stew | p3rti: however ubuntu questions are really off-topic here, you should be asking in #ubuntu |
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| 00:30.24 | p3rti | lol sorry stew |
| 00:30.24 | deadcat | redblades: if you know. why not just try. then ask. |
| 00:30.30 | redblades | that's what I wrote, deadcat |
| 00:30.41 | deadcat | redblades: so do it |
| 00:30.45 | deadcat | geez |
| 00:30.54 | _tomb0y | more experiment, less questions. |
| 00:30.54 | redblades | apt-get, and just because I wanted to double check that it was the package I wanted |
| 00:30.56 | Vasistha | peterS: is there a way to get the dmesg logs from boot time? At this point they're filled up with crap |
| 00:30.57 | deadcat | you want a cookie or something? |
| 00:31.23 | Vasistha | redblades: did you check p.d.o like I suggested? |
| 00:31.24 | peterS | Vasistha: not really. what you can do is 'rmmod sb' then reload it with those usual settings (io=0x220, etc.), *then* run dmesg |
| 00:31.29 | redblades | He he he |
| 00:31.43 | redblades | Vasitha, I'm in runlevel 1 |
| 00:31.56 | deadcat | redblades: so go to default runlevel |
| 00:31.57 | redblades | I'm not relishing the thought of "lynxing" |
| 00:32.11 | redblades | deadcat, this _is_ the default runlevel |
| 00:32.28 | deadcat | redblades: then links2 |
| 00:32.28 | peterS | redblades: this is why we are provided with links2, w3m and elinks. they are all much more pleasant than lynx |
| 00:32.40 | abrotman | bah .. wget! |
| 00:33.01 | peterS | snarf kills wget, the default output is actually _pleasant_ |
| 00:33.26 | peterS | wget default output is uuuuugly |
| 00:33.27 | deadcat | sneakernet baby |
| 00:33.56 | redblades | Is KDE 4 available for debian yet? |
| 00:34.07 | Shadowcat | KDE 4 isn't even released yet |
| 00:34.11 | redblades | Oh |
| 00:34.17 | redblades | Hah |
| 00:34.22 | redblades | 3.4 ??? |
| 00:34.24 | beefcake | www.kde.org |
| 00:34.25 | deadcat | geez. |
| 00:34.37 | redblades | geez what? |
| 00:34.41 | deadcat | you trolling? |
| 00:34.44 | redblades | I'm doing this to save some time |
| 00:34.48 | redblades | no not trolling |
| 00:34.58 | redblades | actually trying to upgrade Debian |
| 00:35.14 | peterS | redblades: make friends with http://packages.debian.org/. you can get a lot of questions answered that way |
| 00:35.18 | Shadowcat | redblades: that means trolling |
| 00:35.18 | dondelelcaro | redblades: see wiki.debian.org/DebianKDE |
| 00:35.24 | Shadowcat | we're not here to check www.kde.org for you |
| 00:35.32 | Vasistha | peterS: here's lsmod : http://channels.debian.net/paste/2765 ... I'm still trying to rmmod sb, but it's busy, although lsof /dev/dsp comes up empty. perhaps I'll try rmmod a-bunch-of-sound-stuff |
| 00:36.07 | peterS | Vasistha: nothing (kernel side) is using sb or it would say so in lsmod. |
| 00:36.17 | peterS | Vasistha: so you've got a lurking app somewhere that's using it, perhaps something is using /dev/mixer |
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| 00:36.43 | Rug | Howdy all |
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| 00:36.46 | Vasistha | peterS: indeed, some kdeinit process. alright, dmesg, coming up... |
| 00:38.45 | Vasistha | sb: no ISAPnP cards found, trying standard ones... SB 3.01 detected OK (220) ESS chip ES1869 detected |
| 00:40.37 | Vasistha | Rug: hi there |
| 00:42.18 | peterS | Vasistha: hmmm, I can't remember offhand which sb variant the Ensoniq 1869 is. let me check. |
| 00:42.57 | Vasistha | peterS: thanks, man! I'd definitely be curious where you're checking, but if it's a burden to say so, don't worry about it. |
| 00:43.23 | abrotman | i thought it had it's own driver |
| 00:43.38 | peterS | Vasistha: I'm reading the 2.6.16 kernel source. it appears alsa has a driver 'snd-es18xx' that claims to support the 1869 |
| 00:43.51 | abrotman | CONFIG_SND_ES18XX=m |
| 00:43.57 | peterS | Vasistha: but I'm slightly confused there, because that driver handles a lot of ISA Plug-n-Play chips, and yours didn't respond to pnpdump |
| 00:44.10 | abrotman | maybe it's not isapnp |
| 00:44.15 | Vasistha | maybe it's not plug n' play? |
| 00:44.40 | Vasistha | abrotman: I guess I would have to compile my kernel to get that module in, huh |
| 00:45.14 | peterS | Vasistha: also, possibly you've disabled plug-n-play in your BIOS at some point. many PC BIOSes allow you to do this |
| 00:45.27 | abrotman | Vasistha: just load the module with the right params? |
| 00:45.44 | peterS | Vasistha: ...or _enabled_ it, so that the BIOS configures the card and after that it doesn't respond to pnp queries |
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| 00:46.06 | peterS | Vasistha: debian kernels come with that module available. if you compiled your own, you're on your own (: |
| 00:48.00 | Vasistha | ahha, so... let's see. I -ought- to be able to get it working with alsa, provided it is properly configured in the bios? hrm. |
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| 00:49.06 | peterS | Vasistha: I should think so. I haven't checked yet whether the module allows manual settings or whether it insists upon using isapnp |
| 00:49.08 | Vasistha | abrotman: I'm able to get sound, it's just that artsd is rather flaky -- often stops accepting connections. peterS and I have been exploring the alsa route, but I'm also open to running a different daemon on top of oss. |
| 00:49.25 | abrotman | stop using artsd .. it's inherently broken |
| 00:50.24 | stew | /sbin/modinfo says it will allow manual settings |
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| 00:50.59 | itguru | Can anyone recommend a web interface for running bit torrent on a headless debian box? |
| 00:51.14 | dondelelcaro | itguru: just use ssh+rtorrent |
| 00:51.21 | Vasistha | peterS: humm. so, if the module insists upon isapnp, then I will need to fix up my cracked out bios. But if the module allows the manual settings, I can do that. In any case, I probably need to dowload the module, and maybe compile it against my (stock) kernel in order to make alsa work? |
| 00:51.39 | peterS | Vasistha: it's in the stock kernel already, if you are running 2.6. |
| 00:51.41 | Vasistha | abrotman: I'd definitely like to stop using artsd. What are the alternatives that work with oss? |
| 00:52.01 | peterS | Vasistha: and yes, you can specify address settings by hand, it turns out. just like with the sb driver. |
| 00:52.01 | abrotman | afaik .. none .. maybe esd .. but that's almost as bad as arts |
| 00:52.35 | Vasistha | peterS: 2.4, actually. Do you mean that the 2.6 kernel has it compiled in, -not- as a module? And 2.4 has it available as a module? |
| 00:53.07 | itguru | dondelelcaro: I'm not the only person who will be using it |
| 00:53.15 | peterS | Vasistha: the 2.6 kernel comes with alsa as modules. the 2.4 kernel does not, but debian has an alsa-modules add-on package for 2.4. |
| 00:53.18 | Vasistha | abrotman: well, "not quite" as bad as what I'm using it probably better than "inherently broken"... although it's definitely sounding like alsa is the preferred way to go |
| 00:53.30 | abrotman | Vasistha: how slow is this laptop ? |
| 00:53.42 | dondelelcaro | itguru: to download things using bittorrent? |
| 00:53.53 | Vasistha | peterS: does that mean I would need to recompile the 2.4 kernel with the alsa-modules add-on? |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: think "pirate boat" |
| 00:54.00 | Vasistha | abrotman: 333 mhz |
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| 00:54.17 | abrotman | Vasistha: and RAM ? |
| 00:54.21 | peterS | Vasistha: no, it means you install the alsa modules add-on. it's a debian package. |
| 00:54.28 | Vasistha | abrotman: 192, hopefully soon-to-be 320 |
| 00:54.29 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: but shouldn't pirates know how to use ssh? I mean, how else can they control their fserves? |
| 00:54.36 | abrotman | Vasistha: i vote for a 2.6 kernel :) |
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| 00:54.42 | stew | Vasistha: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 00:54.44 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: telnet! |
| 00:54.48 | Vasistha | abrotman: I had problems with apm :P |
| 00:54.54 | abrotman | everyone does! |
| 00:54.55 | Vasistha | 2.4.27-3-686 |
| 00:55.00 | maher | dondelelcaro: surely pirates should be using arrrrsh |
| 00:55.08 | stew | Vasistha: apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-3-686 |
| 00:55.29 | Vasistha | abrotman: ...and acpi will not turn the fan off, thus overheating the cpu and auto-shutting-off at 95 C |
| 00:55.39 | Vasistha | abrotman: err, I mean, acpi will not turn the fan ON. |
| 00:55.51 | abrotman | it's a PII333 .. they don't overheat! |
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| 00:56.40 | abrotman | mine always says 54C |
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| 00:57.29 | peterS | Vasistha: so, 'aptitude install alsa-modules-2.4.27-3-686' |
| 00:57.43 | peterS | (or upgrade to a 2.6 kernel) |
| 00:57.52 | Vasistha | peterS: yeah, I'm looking at lsmod now... |
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| 00:58.38 | Vasistha | abrotman: my fan comes on when the system is under heavy load, but most of the time it's off -- which I love |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | Vasistha: i doubt a laptop that old would work with acpi |
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| 00:59.30 | abrotman | via planet .. http://www.earlygirl.com/sincerely.shtml |
| 00:59.31 | Vasistha | I actually have a 2.6 kernel on here, but I've gotten so frustrated trying to get APM working properly with 2.6 ... perhaps I'll try it again someday |
| 00:59.56 | Vasistha | so, assumably I need to rmmod sb and all the other associated ones before I can make the thing work with alsa? |
| 01:00.26 | abrotman | i want to put that in dpkg somewhere .. no idea where though |
| 01:00.57 | raf256 | hello, how can I install gcc 4.1 (from unstable) in my debian testing box? |
| 01:01.28 | abrotman | raf256: apt-get install gcc-4.1 ? |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | 4.1 is in etch |
| 01:01.59 | peterS | raf256: if you're worried about /usr/bin/gcc pointing to gcc-4.1, you can always ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 /usr/local/bin/gcc |
| 01:02.11 | peterS | that actually works very well |
| 01:02.21 | peterS | since /usr/local/bin is ahead of /usr/bin in the default path |
| 01:02.43 | Vasistha | abrotman: are you familiar with Eats Shoots & Leaves? |
| 01:02.55 | abrotman | Vasistha: are you cursing at me? |
| 01:03.15 | Vasistha | abrotman: heh, no, Eats, Shoots and Leaves is a wonderful book on grammar |
| 01:03.36 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:03.42 | abrotman | maybe i should get it |
| 01:04.00 | Vasistha | abrotman: there's a picture of a panda carrying a smoking gun, and another panda erasing the comma |
| 01:04.17 | abrotman | Vasistha: is it about grammar or punctuation? |
| 01:04.38 | Vasistha | abrotman: both. It's brilliant -- partially because it is written with humor in mint -- it's hilarious |
| 01:05.04 | Vasistha | abrotman: although come to think of it... I don't know how much it focuses on grammar |
| 01:05.05 | phaedrus44 | anybody invest in OSS here? |
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| 01:05.34 | Vasistha | phaedrus44: as in sound? I've just been working on converting to ALSA, but am not at all sure I'm nearing a solution... |
| 01:05.55 | abrotman | phaedrus44: invest? |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | stoned: btw .. i think i figured out QL can't play lastfm .. but can send your data to it |
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| 01:07.34 | cyberbaze | do i run the ssh daemon by /usr/sbin/sshd ? (kanotix) |
| 01:07.48 | stoned | yeah, I pasted the link for the plugin for, if you didn't get it, I can find it again |
| 01:08.05 | abrotman | eh? |
| 01:08.12 | abrotman | i don't think there is one anymore |
| 01:08.23 | stoned | last.fm submission plugin |
| 01:08.34 | abrotman | yeah .. i don't want that |
| 01:08.38 | stoned | oh |
| 01:08.48 | stoned | then what do you want with last.fm |
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| 01:09.03 | cyberbaze | do i run the ssh daemon by /usr/sbin/sshd ? (kanotix) |
| 01:09.04 | stoned | I'm kind of confused |
| 01:09.48 | peterS | Vasistha: there is 'alsaconf' but if your card isn't pnp it probably won't find it anyway. what I'd do is hardcode the module load settings into /etc/modules and call it good. after you verify that the module works, of course |
| 01:10.08 | Vasistha | peterS: and how to verify said module works? |
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| 01:10.19 | abrotman | stoned: i want the player |
| 01:10.20 | stoned | abrotman, oh, hah, I did not know this, last.fm is also an online radio eh? this is what you were wanting? |
| 01:10.21 | peterS | Vasistha: for that, try 'modprobe snd-es18xx port=0x220 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=5' |
| 01:10.33 | abrotman | stoned: duh .. no more for you |
| 01:10.46 | stoned | abrotman, the only thing I need last.fm to do for me is to let me submit the songs I play, and retrieve similar artists and songs |
| 01:10.50 | peterS | Vasistha: the way these things usually work, you may not need any of those settings except port=0x220. in fact you may not even need that, it may try that address by default |
| 01:10.57 | abrotman | stoned: i'm going to smack you |
| 01:11.01 | stoned | abrotman, wait |
| 01:11.10 | stoned | I mean no |
| 01:11.16 | stoned | you can't smack me |
| 01:11.18 | Vasistha | peterS: well.... I'm getting init_module: No such device |
| 01:11.26 | abrotman | i can .. very well might |
| 01:11.30 | stoned | oh man |
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| 01:11.43 | peterS | Vasistha: no such device even when you give port=0x220? interesting, let me dig a bit further |
| 01:12.06 | Vasistha | peterS: yeah... I tried a few variations |
| 01:12.13 | abrotman | i thought it was io=0x220 |
| 01:12.30 | stoned | I thought last.fm was only about people sharing the music they listen to |
| 01:12.32 | stoned | nevermind |
| 01:12.33 | peterS | abrotman: it is for the OSS module |
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| 01:12.40 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | stoned: now it makes more sense eh? |
| 01:12.59 | stoned | abrotman, yes |
| 01:13.18 | abrotman | oh well ... |
| 01:13.18 | Vasistha | peterS: before you spend too much time on this, read this: http://www.leuf.net/ww/wikidn?CompaqArmada1750LinuxNotes#4 |
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| 01:14.32 | peterS | Vasistha: oh, interesting |
| 01:14.44 | phaedrus44 | sorry i was out... |
| 01:14.54 | phaedrus44 | no i mean invest money in oss like redhat linux |
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| 01:15.33 | Vasistha | peterS: yeah, I knew I'd read somewhere that alsa was incompatible with my hardware. Shoulda come up with that link sooner. |
| 01:15.35 | charzero | Is it possible to use ssh-agent such that you type a password in the first time you connect to a machine and not after that, without setting up a keypair? |
| 01:15.46 | abrotman | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=ESS+Technology&card=.&chip=ES18xx&module=es18xx |
| 01:15.50 | abrotman | Vasistha: ^^ |
| 01:16.05 | Vasistha | abrotman: gratzi, reading... |
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| 01:17.14 | peterS | abrotman: the info on that page is a lot of boilerplate about alsa in general, plus a pretty-printed 'modinfo snd-es18xx' |
| 01:17.15 | Noboru | Anyone know what other value is considered good for DOSHashTableSize in mod_evasive ? |
| 01:17.29 | Vasistha | abrotman: this is interesting, but I'm still concerned that my problem is pretty specific and unusual |
| 01:17.31 | abrotman | peterS: i meant it more for if he wanted to try alsa |
| 01:17.31 | Noboru | by default,it's set to 3097 |
| 01:17.45 | abrotman | Noboru: for apache? |
| 01:17.49 | Vasistha | abrotman: did you check that link I pasted 30 lines back? |
| 01:17.50 | Noboru | abrotman, yeah |
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| 01:17.54 | abrotman | Vasistha: |
| 01:17.56 | abrotman | Vasistha: yep |
| 01:18.02 | abrotman | Noboru: query #apache |
| 01:18.43 | Noboru | ok |
| 01:19.00 | Vasistha | abrotman: ...and you still think it's worthwhile to attempt to set up alsa, even though a number of people have completely failed to get the es18xx driver working with similar laptops? |
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| 01:19.24 | Noboru | hi abrotman ,i mean,that is actually related to the Hash caculation,but i know nothing about it |
| 01:19.29 | Vasistha | abrotman: I mean, if you do, I'll save the link and investigate ... probably another day ;-) |
| 01:19.39 | abrotman | Noboru: if i give you any number .. will it make a difference? |
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| 01:19.54 | abrotman | Vasistha: i gave up on OSS a long time ago .. but i have a newer laptop |
| 01:20.03 | cyberbaze | is there a otherway to send a message to the client i'm connected vie ssh other then kdialog ? |
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| 01:20.22 | Noboru | It uses Hash table to probe the stuff to determine wether its gonna be a dos attack,i just dont know if there is a type of rule to set a value for that which is the RAM taking in the process. |
| 01:20.45 | Vasistha | abrotman: well, okay... you may also have given up on apm, and I wouldn't blame you, but this lappy's not gonna touch acpi with a ten-foot-pole |
| 01:20.49 | abrotman | cyberbaze: a message? |
| 01:20.56 | Noboru | abrotman, Yup,cuz i was reading online,they say if you have a large site or more sites run on one server and blah,you gotta change that default value |
| 01:20.58 | dn4 | WEWT!!! The report bug issue is fixed |
| 01:21.01 | dn4 | :) |
| 01:21.02 | cyberbaze | abrotman: as a messagebox or whaever |
| 01:21.03 | abrotman | Vasistha: hehe .. mine uses acpi just fine |
| 01:21.30 | Maulkin | stoned: Sorry BTW... |
| 01:21.33 | abrotman | cyberbaze: uhm .. there is a way to call a generic X window |
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| 01:21.36 | raf256 | abrotman: gcc 4.1 is in testing? anyway, I would like to have identical versions of gcc (unstable) |
| 01:21.48 | raf256 | I have gcc 4.1 from unstable on box A |
| 01:21.50 | stoned | Maulkin, what for? |
| 01:21.55 | amphi | heh |
| 01:21.57 | Vasistha | abrotman: anyway, is esd probably at least a little better than artsd? Because I'm happy with arts when it works, it just doesn't always work. After suspend/resume, or sometimes... sometimes it just won't accept any connections, even after killing/restarting the daemon |
| 01:21.58 | cyberbaze | abrotman: kdialog: cannot connect to X server |
| 01:22.02 | raf256 | and I want identical gcc 4.1 on testing box B, for use in distcc |
| 01:22.06 | Maulkin | stoned: kicking and banning you on #debian on OFTC :) |
| 01:22.16 | raf256 | Maulkin: why O_o |
| 01:22.27 | Maulkin | raf256: tab completed to wrong nick |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | cyberbaze: you'd have export your display |
| 01:22.37 | Maulkin | stoned: you've been unbanned :) |
| 01:22.39 | stoned | Maulkin, oh no problem, thanks for letting me know |
| 01:22.51 | stoned | Maulkin, what happened? |
| 01:23.01 | Maulkin | stoned: bad tab completion. |
| 01:23.08 | stoned | ahh |
| 01:23.09 | cyberbaze | root@vasko:~/Desktop# kdialog "me citas?" |
| 01:23.09 | cyberbaze | kdialog: cannot connect to X server |
| 01:23.13 | stoned | word |
| 01:23.33 | p3rti | how can i put to download sometime with bittorrent and close the ssh conection and the bittorrent doesnt close¿ |
| 01:23.34 | cinix | Vasistha, I haven't found a reason to use arts or esd. Maybe it's partly my soundcard, but I just point all my programs to use ALSA |
| 01:23.34 | p3rti | ? |
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| 01:23.54 | Vasistha | cinix: thanks, but I have older hardware that seems to be incompatible with alsa |
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| 01:23.57 | jbrimble | Masturbation is totally gay, because you're getting off with a man's hand. |
| 01:24.03 | cinix | p3rti, screen |
| 01:24.29 | cinix | p3rti, type screen, start your torrent in the new shell, cntrl-d to detach and it will keep running. screen -r when you want to return |
| 01:24.30 | Vasistha | jbrimble: dude... that's kinda funny, but do you have a debian question? |
| 01:24.49 | p3rti | cinix, thanks |
| 01:25.00 | dn4 | The following packages have unmet dependencies. nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.8762 but it is not installable |
| 01:25.09 | jbrimble | yeah, i do - just a sec |
| 01:25.37 | cinix | p3rti, actually I think it's cntrl-a then d |
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| 01:26.11 | Vasistha | p3rti: yeah, ctrl-a then d |
| 01:26.57 | peterS | screen is so much more usable with a short handful of keybinding changes. like swapping the meanings of ^A^A and ^Aa |
| 01:27.34 | peterS | (^A^A is much easier to type, and I need "literal ^A" much more often than "switch to previous window") |
| 01:27.43 | Vasistha | alright, so I'm still kinda wondering how to sed up ESD, as I'd like to give it a go. aRts has this nice kde graphical setup, and I just have no idea how to set up ESD or aRts without the gui! |
| 01:28.10 | christor | Please I added a card pc/tv in my linux but when I do a lspci it doesn t appear. Any ideas? is my card broken? |
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| 01:28.48 | Vasistha | christor: have you checked dmesg? |
| 01:29.19 | p3rti | thanks a lot |
| 01:29.22 | p3rti | for everything |
| 01:29.30 | Vasistha | p3rti: glad to be of service |
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| 01:29.39 | p3rti | :) |
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| 01:31.02 | charzero | is `ssh-add` supposed to do something ? output anything? |
| 01:31.13 | christor | Vasistha: nothing appears :( in the dmesg |
| 01:32.05 | Vasistha | christor: have you gotten the make and model number of the card, and done a google.com/linux search for it, to see if other linux users have had success with it? |
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| 01:32.23 | peterS | charzero: generally it should prompt you for your key passphrase |
| 01:32.28 | christor | Vasistha: No, but I do it now |
| 01:32.30 | peterS | charzero: unless you don't have one |
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| 01:32.39 | tremor | good evening |
| 01:32.54 | Vasistha | christor: ...google.com/linux is usually a good first stop before purchasing devices |
| 01:33.52 | tremor | can one suggest me a program for converting a grayscaled raw image into some other format? convert from imagemagick wont work for that. |
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| 01:34.25 | amphi | tremor: gimp has a plugin for raw images, but ISTR doing it with convert |
| 01:34.25 | Vasistha | tremor: raw, as in, some particular digital camera's possibly proprietary raw format? |
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| 01:34.52 | Vasistha | or are those raw formats never proprietary? |
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| 01:34.56 | tonsxchat | So I got sarge burnt and installed, on an attempt to start X up [both automated on start and manually], it gives an error that a GLINT device is missing a Device section in the config. My video card is a Diamond FireGL 3000 (it has two glint chipsets on it), when I set the config to load the primary one ( PCI:0:15:2 ), it complains that the secondary is missing a device section, when I set it to the secondary ( PCI:0:15:1 ), it compl |
| 01:35.00 | tonsxchat | ains the primary is missing a device section, if I set a device section for each of them, it complains that whichever one appears second in the config is missing. Anyone know how I should configure X so that it loads? Also, how should I set it for USB mouse (with wheel)? |
| 01:35.01 | tremor | amphi: do you know, if there are restrictions in size for the source image? |
| 01:35.21 | Puiu | Where can I change the setting for stock gnome on debian etch for when I open "My Computer" and I click into folders. I don't want it to open a new window everytime I go into a folder. I want one window, and I go back/foward etc. |
| 01:35.33 | tremor | Vasistha: the source is an simple image, greyscaled with 1 byte per pixel |
| 01:36.04 | tremor | because it seems, that 'convert' would do if it could |
| 01:36.14 | tremor | but it says, image is to large |
| 01:36.15 | peterS | tremor: how is one to know the source resolution? |
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| 01:36.33 | abrotman | tonsxchat: paste your Xlog somewhere |
| 01:36.34 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:36.35 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 01:37.10 | tremor | peterS: the original image is taken from a special software and converted from there with a seperate tool |
| 01:37.22 | tonsxchat | abrotman: ok, let me go back upstairs |
| 01:37.26 | tremor | peterS: and so i know the origin dimensions |
| 01:37.30 | tonsxchat | shall I post my config too? |
| 01:37.46 | amphi | tremor: no; I did it a long time ago though; I think you just have to specify bpp and dimensions; what I was converting wasn't really an image, just a glob of elevations |
| 01:38.10 | peterS | tremor: I'd suggest hacking that tool to output PGM format (pgmraw in particular), it's a very simple format that almost all tools can deal with |
| 01:38.17 | tremor | amphi: hm, ok. thank you. i'll look for that. |
| 01:38.58 | tremor | peterS: the source is a windows software. and the seperate converter also. ;) |
| 01:38.59 | Vasistha | peterS: so, I could continue to try to tackle the alsa thing (probably offline, tomorrow...or next week) but I'm curious about your take on it. Do you think it's a worthwhile endeavor to get alsa working with my hardware? |
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| 01:39.30 | tremor | and i dont have any ideas about the software internal format for saving -g- |
| 01:39.44 | peterS | Vasistha: if it can be done, it would probably be nicer than either aRts or esd. but if the driver doesn't work, it's probably non-trivial to figure out how to hack it to work |
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| 01:40.54 | christor | Vasistha: I think my card is dead |
| 01:41.00 | amphi | tremor: by raw, you mean just pixel data, no header or other stuff in the file? |
| 01:41.05 | christor | Vasistha: thx for your help |
| 01:41.16 | tremor | amphi: yes. |
| 01:41.27 | peterS | tremor: this is why we are fans of free software (: |
| 01:41.34 | Vasistha | christor: you're welcome... sorry to hear it. good luck |
| 01:41.57 | abrotman | christor: dpeending on your mobo .. it may not share IRQs well .. try another slot or two |
| 01:41.57 | tremor | amphi: dimensions are not so large. just 4096mm by 1318912mm with 1 byte per pixel |
| 01:42.06 | amphi | tremor: otherwise, try the gimp plugin - you might have to grab it off gimp.org and build it yourself |
| 01:42.21 | peterS | tremor: 1318912 mm isn't considered large? ye gods, man, that's almost a mile |
| 01:42.26 | christor | abrotman: I will try it in a windows :P to be sure I have one |
| 01:42.27 | amphi | tremor: what does mm mean WRT pixels? |
| 01:42.37 | amphi | peterS: heh |
| 01:42.38 | tremor | mm = millimeter |
| 01:42.42 | abrotman | christor: windows might not see it either |
| 01:42.49 | tremor | that is only 1,3 kilometer |
| 01:42.52 | christor | I wanted to look tv in streaming to take the world cup in remote |
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| 01:43.00 | peterS | tremor: yes, 1.3 million mm is almost a mile. 1.609 million mm is a mile |
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| 01:43.05 | Vasistha | peterS: well, yeah, I really don't have any interest in device driver development atm. I'd rather spend my time saving up for a newer laptop. If that other guy has spent enough time on it to figure out that the module is doomed to failure due to a non-standard interface, I'm not too keen on verifying his results... |
| 01:43.14 | amphi | tremor: yeah, but you're working with pixels - they have no intrinsic dimension; how many pixels is it? |
| 01:43.21 | tremor | peterS: and this is realy a short test distance |
| 01:43.25 | Maquiavelo | Hey guys, I'm using apache2, and I'm getting this error whenever I try to access any website (even if I use the IP instead of a vhost): [error] [client 201.208.76.98] File does not exist: /htdocs I already checked apache2.conf, httpd.conf, and the vritualhosts file in sites-enabled. am I missing anything? I'm using Sarge 3.1. Thanks. |
| 01:43.32 | peterS | Vasistha: well, you did verify the results. it should've worked with those parameters, but it didn't, so. |
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| 01:43.35 | debian | We still stick around here no matter what. :) |
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| 01:43.38 | Puiu | Where can I get an icon pack for debian with "illegal" icons. like the actual firefox icon, etc. And cool icons that aren't included with Debian / Gnome |
| 01:43.41 | tremor | amphi: its scaled 1 by 1 so 1pixel represents 1mm |
| 01:43.48 | tonsdebbox | ok, abrotman, I'll pipe it into #flood? |
| 01:44.01 | Maquiavelo | It's a very strange and weird thing |
| 01:44.11 | Maquiavelo | Any ideas? |
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| 01:44.15 | amphi | tremor: 1.3 million pixels is rather a lot |
| 01:44.22 | peterS | tremor: images with dimensions of a million pixels in one direction might cause problems for some software |
| 01:44.25 | Vasistha | peterS: heh... I suppose ... I don't know what else might be checked, e.g. something in that page abrotman suggested. At any rate, do you have any hint to offer re: setting up esd? |
| 01:44.39 | abrotman | amphi: eh .. like a camera? |
| 01:44.43 | abrotman | !tell SixtyWatt about root |
| 01:44.46 | tremor | peterS: i see it from converts message: Maximum supported image dimension is 65500 pixels |
| 01:44.53 | amphi | abrotman: in one dimension |
| 01:44.55 | peterS | Vasistha: not really, you install it, it's supposed to insert itself into the default X session, but I'm not sure if it does so in the default gnome session or the default kde session or what have you |
| 01:45.12 | tremor | so i think the last way may be the gimp plugin, that amphi suggested |
| 01:45.14 | amphi | abrotman: 1.3 million x 4096 |
| 01:45.40 | Vasistha | peterS: humm, alright, I guess this is a debian package to be downloaded. Will check p.d.o ... thanks very much! |
| 01:45.47 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, we're talking about a 5 gigapixel image here |
| 01:46.08 | tonsxchat | abrotman: you get all that? |
| 01:46.08 | abrotman | so ... what .. 5 billion pixels? |
| 01:46.10 | amphi | tremor: gimp is not going to read an image 1.3mx4096 pixels, I don't think |
| 01:46.13 | peterS | yes |
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| 01:46.40 | tremor | hm :( |
| 01:46.43 | peterS | and the raw image is one byte per pixel so the file is also 5 GB large |
| 01:46.53 | abrotman | peterS: oh come on .. i'm sure dpkg has more porn than that |
| 01:46.59 | abrotman | tonsxchat: no .. don't use bitchx |
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| 01:47.14 | tremor | peterS: you're right about the size |
| 01:47.21 | tonsxchat | abrotman: well apt-get install irssi didn't work ;) |
| 01:47.35 | Vasistha | tremor: where on earth did you get this image, anyway? hehheh |
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| 01:47.37 | amphi | tonsxchat: irssi-text |
| 01:47.41 | abrotman | irssi-text |
| 01:47.43 | abrotman | jee |
| 01:47.44 | abrotman | z |
| 01:47.50 | abrotman | tonsxchat: apt-cache search irssi |
| 01:47.57 | peterS | fortunately it's called irssi again in etch |
| 01:47.59 | tonsxchat | thanks amphi |
| 01:48.16 | tonsxchat | abrotman: anyway, http://www.tonsofpcs.com/deb/XFree86.0.log |
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| 01:48.34 | tremor | Vasistha: its a surface scan of a runway of an airport |
| 01:48.35 | christor | arf: card pctv broken , my wifi is not working, wy VPN is not working properly , I think the prob is between the keyboard and the chair :s |
| 01:48.49 | amphi | tremor: you're the first person I've seen discover that limit in convert ;) |
| 01:48.50 | abrotman | tonsxchat: set your mouse to /dev/input/mice .. and put "mousedev" in /etc/modules |
| 01:48.55 | tremor | Vasistha: and it is only one part out of 14 |
| 01:48.55 | peterS | tremor: and the scan needs a resolution down to the millimeter? |
| 01:49.08 | tonsxchat | abrotman: ok, what about the glint issues? |
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| 01:49.26 | tremor | peterS: yes. it is needed for a quality check of the surface there. |
| 01:49.33 | abrotman | tonsxchat: fix the mouse first |
| 01:49.43 | amphi | tremor: can't you cut it into more digestible chunks? |
| 01:50.02 | tremor | amphi: i would do, if i knew how |
| 01:50.11 | tremor | simply split binary way? |
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| 01:50.17 | peterS | tremor: yeah I guess I'd suggest writing a custom tool to chop the image up into manageable chunks, like 16000 pixels wide or something |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | tonsxchat: mind you .. i don't know jack about glint .. i had a CL card back in those days :) |
| 01:51.07 | peterS | shouldn't be hard to do, really, I'd do it for $100 |
| 01:51.18 | tremor | peterS: that was the last idea, before i went to try convert as last chance -g- |
| 01:51.26 | menko | hey does anybody know how to use trickle to shape the bandwidth of a running application? Also, what happens if you ctrl-z a wget process? (I'm dling something and it's eating all my bandwidth..) |
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| 01:51.42 | abrotman | wget has its own bandwidth contorol |
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| 01:52.06 | menko | can I change it's bandwidth while it's running? |
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| 01:52.19 | abrotman | eh .. not that i'm aware |
| 01:52.23 | Maulkin | No, but it has a resume function |
| 01:52.29 | tremor | peterS: the problem is, that the internal format of saving isnt documented and we only have this seperate tool, which gives a raw-file -g- |
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| 01:52.45 | menko | I tried the resume function once and it just started at the beginning |
| 01:52.55 | tremor | peterS: and so i dont know, how to work on the source image format- |
| 01:52.59 | peterS | tremor: well, the separate tool can be fed to a second separate tool, if the original format can't be figured out |
| 01:53.05 | fuchsto | humm. When i log in on a server using ssh, my login / pass is accepted but the connection is closed immediately. What's wrong there? |
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| 01:53.26 | fuchsto | i can't use scp on that server, neither |
| 01:53.32 | amphi | tremor: but you know the dimensions of the raw image |
| 01:53.38 | tremor | amphi: yep. |
| 01:53.48 | tonsxchat | ok, rebooting |
| 01:53.52 | amphi | tremor: you could probably use dd to cut it up |
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| 01:54.08 | tonsxchat | menko: the server has to support it |
| 01:54.12 | peterS | amphi: depends on the direction of the scan line |
| 01:54.15 | tremor | amphi: or some other splitting tool i think |
| 01:54.26 | amphi | peterS: aye, I was about to ask that |
| 01:54.36 | menko | tonsxchat: ah ok, I guess this one doesn't then |
| 01:54.37 | gaelabel | hello, i'm trying to set up tomcat in a debian sarge. i have problems setting up the jdk, i've installed free-java-sdk, but when I try to lunch tomcat i get an error about a bad jdk installation, more details in a bite |
| 01:55.18 | tremor | peterS, amphi: scan goes vertically with a width of 4096 -g- |
| 01:55.22 | Maquiavelo | gaelabel |
| 01:55.31 | tremor | so i think it should be possible to split |
| 01:55.44 | peterS | tremor: you mean you get one line of 1.3 million pixels then the next line of 1.3 million pixels, or are the lines 4096 pixels long? |
| 01:55.51 | gaelabel | yes Maquiavelo |
| 01:55.54 | Maquiavelo | gaelabel http://www.howtoforge.com/apache2_tomcat5_mod_jk |
| 01:56.02 | gaelabel | govinda:/usr/local# sh /usr/share/tomcat4/bin/startup.sh |
| 01:56.02 | gaelabel | The JAVA_HOME environment variable is not defined correctly |
| 01:56.02 | gaelabel | This environment variable is needed to run this program |
| 01:56.02 | gaelabel | NB: JAVA_HOME should point to a JDK not a JRE |
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| 01:56.03 | Maquiavelo | Is a nice document about Tomcat 5, apache 2 and Debian Sarge |
| 01:56.05 | amphi | tremor: that's ok - try dd in a loop, offsetting n*4096bytes each time and copying n bytes |
| 01:56.24 | amphi | tremor: er, n*4096 bytes |
| 01:56.31 | tremor | peterS: no. one line with 4096 pixels and this 1,3million times |
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| 01:56.37 | Maquiavelo | gaelabel please don't paste here |
| 01:56.46 | gaelabel | sorry for the flood |
| 01:56.48 | tremor | amphi: i'll try this |
| 01:56.51 | Maquiavelo | gaelabel check the URL I gave ya |
| 01:57.05 | Maquiavelo | gaelabel It's a complete walkthrough to Tomcat5, Apache2 in Debian |
| 01:57.07 | peterS | tremor: 'split -b64m' will give you files of 4096x16384 pixels each |
| 01:57.09 | Maquiavelo | gaelabel http://www.howtoforge.com/apache2_tomcat5_mod_jk |
| 01:57.26 | gaelabel | i will, but i have apache 1.3 |
| 01:57.32 | tremor | peterS: thank you :) |
| 01:57.33 | Maquiavelo | Oh |
| 01:57.34 | amphi | peterS: that's nicer |
| 01:57.38 | peterS | tremor: good luck |
| 01:57.46 | gaelabel | anyway, i'll try, i hope there will be not too much differences |
| 01:58.00 | Maquiavelo | there are :s |
| 01:58.02 | tremor | amphi: also thank you. |
| 01:58.09 | tonsxchat | abrotman: I got it to stop complaining about the mouse, got it loading past the glint issue (had the freq too high ;), but it still won't let me move the cursor with the mouse... |
| 01:58.17 | tremor | i'll see, what will happen |
| 01:58.17 | tonsxchat | it's a usb mouse with scroll wheel |
| 01:58.21 | amphi | tremor: what are you converting to? png? |
| 01:58.42 | tremor | amphi: some format, that autocad can import |
| 01:59.08 | Noboru | I meet an error |
| 01:59.11 | Noboru | apt-get install libapache-mod-limitipconn |
| 01:59.12 | abrotman | tonsxchat: pick a different protocol |
| 01:59.22 | tremor | amphi: i'm just only the one, who should convert these pictures, so that someone other can import them |
| 01:59.28 | Noboru | Error: mod_evasive.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
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| 01:59.45 | tremor | -should +shell |
| 02:00.07 | tonsxchat | abrotman: like? |
| 02:00.08 | Noboru | dpkg: error processing libapache-mod-limitipconn (--configure): |
| 02:00.09 | Noboru | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.14 | tonsxchat | [it's set auto] |
| 02:00.24 | abrotman | tonsxchat: IMPS/2 or something |
| 02:00.29 | tonsxchat | k |
| 02:00.39 | peterS | tremor: so after splitting the images, try prepending a line 'P5 4096 16384 255'. that should give you a valid .pnm file, which most tools can deal with |
| 02:00.45 | Noboru | How come it mentions about mod_evasive.so when i m installing libapache-mod-limitipconn? |
| 02:01.03 | gaelabel | please, go here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2766 |
| 02:01.15 | tremor | ergh .. -shell ..my english becomes terrible, sorry |
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| 02:01.22 | gaelabel | i'd prefer not to install java-sun |
| 02:01.24 | Puiu_ | Where can I get an icon pack for debian with "illegal" icons. like the actual firefox icon, etc. And cool icons that aren't included with Debian / Gnome |
| 02:01.27 | peterS | tremor: so like: for f in *; do (echo 'P5 4096 16384 255'; cat $f) > $f.pgm; done |
| 02:01.49 | gaelabel | Maquiavelo, please (if you didn't read before)=: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2766 |
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| 02:02.22 | tremor | peterS: ill notice all your hints. i'll test them tomorrow on the other pc |
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| 02:02.39 | Puiu_ | What is a gui(I use gnome) program I can use to rip a cd to mp3 |
| 02:02.44 | peterS | tremor: see 'man pgm' for details on the format I just specified. as I said, it's an extremely simple format, just that header plus the raw data. |
| 02:02.46 | abrotman | grip |
| 02:02.51 | abrotman | !tell Puiu_ about lame |
| 02:02.56 | tremor | ok |
| 02:03.03 | Maquiavelo | gaelabel You have the wrong Java, you have the JRE installed and you need the JDK |
| 02:03.15 | abrotman | sound juicer too |
| 02:03.22 | Maquiavelo | gaelabel JRE is used to only run Java applications, JDK is needed by Tomcat because it's a development kit. |
| 02:03.46 | gaelabel | i've installed free-java-sdk |
| 02:03.50 | Puiu_ | abrotman, Is that a gui? |
| 02:04.00 | Maquiavelo | Not going to work, you using Tomcat 4 or 5? |
| 02:04.08 | gaelabel | it isn't the free JDK ? |
| 02:04.21 | Maquiavelo | Should better install directly from Sun Java |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | Puiu_: grip and soundjuicer are .. they can use lame |
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| 02:04.49 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
| 02:04.50 | abrotman | erm .. i guess soundjuicer can't |
| 02:04.53 | Noboru | can anyone tell me where do i find that .info file according to this error "Error: mod_evasive.so does not have a corresponding .info file" ? |
| 02:04.55 | Puiu_ | abrotman, Which one do you recommend(I use gnome) |
| 02:04.56 | gaelabel | so why does exist this free-java ? |
| 02:05.03 | abrotman | or maybe you can add it |
| 02:05.11 | abrotman | Puiu_: i actually say to use jack |
| 02:05.11 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: it should have been installed by the package which installed mod_evasive.so |
| 02:05.13 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 02:05.18 | Daveman | Hello :) |
| 02:05.26 | Puiu_ | abrotman, jack it is then. |
| 02:05.26 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: if that package didn't, it's buggy (or you're using a backport which hasn't been set up properly) |
| 02:05.43 | abrotman | Puiu_: jack is not a GUI program |
| 02:05.50 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, i searched, a guy meets the same problem and he fixes it,but i still dont understand |
| 02:06.01 | gaelabel | ok, i'll try from sun then |
| 02:06.04 | gaelabel | ZENks |
| 02:06.08 | Maquiavelo | gaelabel Probably to run Java applications |
| 02:06.11 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, would you check it out please http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/05/msg02245.html |
| 02:06.26 | Maquiavelo | gaelabel Tomcat needs the development version, not the JRE |
| 02:06.32 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, i mean,that person doesn't explain where he put that .info in/to ? |
| 02:06.39 | Maquiavelo | gaelabel Is it Tomcat 4 or tomcat 5? |
| 02:06.46 | gaelabel | can you try apt-cache show free-java-sdk, please ? |
| 02:06.51 | gaelabel | tomcat4 |
| 02:06.52 | dondelelcaro | !+find mod_evasive |
| 02:06.54 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:06.55 | tonsxchat | ok, while i'm doing all this configing and rebooting, how should I set my network devices to static addresses (so they don't dhcp on boot) |
| 02:07.06 | abrotman | man 5 interfaces |
| 02:07.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mod_evasive' (1): (/usr/lib/lighttpd/mod_evasive.so) in web/lighttpd. |
| 02:07.32 | Maquiavelo | gaelabel I would install the JDK from Sun directly |
| 02:07.46 | tremor | peterS: just for info: the scaling down to millimeters is needed, because on criteria for rating the quality of the surface is the crack initiation. and this starts with cracks/splits >= 1mm. |
| 02:07.47 | Maquiavelo | For some reason Tomcat thinks it's JRE |
| 02:07.50 | gaelabel | ok, i will try that thank you |
| 02:07.59 | dondelelcaro | !+find mod_evasive stable |
| 02:08.00 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:08.06 | peterS | tremor: now that's interesting |
| 02:08.15 | tonsxchat | abrotman: is there a config i need to change for debian, or can I just do ifconfig and hope that it remembers? |
| 02:08.18 | peterS | tremor: what's the source of this image data, btw? how was it collected? |
| 02:08.18 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mod_evasive' returned no results. |
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| 02:08.24 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, i downloaded it from its official site. |
| 02:08.26 | tremor | peterS: but horrible in the resulting amount of data |
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| 02:08.33 | abrotman | tonsxchat: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:08.57 | tonsxchat | k |
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| 02:09.08 | tremor | peterS: data were collected with a special car with a laser like working system. |
| 02:09.14 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: well, that's the problem. If you want to enable that module, then you need to write an info file for it. |
| 02:09.23 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, i mean, that mod_evasive works great,but this time i was going to install libapache-mod-limitipconn,and that error occurs |
| 02:09.35 | tremor | peterS: and with this vehicle driven along the runway of the airport in severakl stripes |
| 02:09.42 | tremor | *several |
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| 02:09.51 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: see /usr/lib/apache/1.3/500mod_disallow_id.info for example |
| 02:09.52 | peterS | tremor: accuracy of the car's position would seem to be a lot less than +- 1 mm (: |
| 02:10.05 | tremor | peterS: yes. |
| 02:10.07 | dserban | Should I cross-post stuff I've posted in OFTC? |
| 02:10.11 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, ok,thanks,let me check |
| 02:10.16 | peterS | tremor: velocity, same - how did the scanner know how fast it was going? |
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| 02:10.50 | tremor | peterS: the cars velocity is synchronized with the velocity the lasersystem is rotating |
| 02:11.03 | gaelabel | Maquiavelo, that one ? https://sdlc5e.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet/DownloadPage:~:com.sun.sunit.sdlc.content.DownloadPageInfo;jsessionid=A1AAF8079FA03D71A50CCE5A328B7C24;jsessionid=A1AAF8079FA03D71A50CCE5A328B7C24 |
| 02:11.21 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, so where does that .info go ? |
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| 02:11.32 | peterS | tremor: with that kind of high-priced equipment, you'd think you would have some leverage to demand open file formats from the vendor (: |
| 02:11.38 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: into that same location |
| 02:12.00 | Noboru | you mean in /usr/lib/apache/1.3/500mod_disallow_id.info ? |
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| 02:12.25 | tremor | peterS: maybe ;) .. but i'm just a small one who has just to work, not to give instructions or to have wishes -g- |
| 02:12.28 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: no, in /usr/lib/apache/1.3/500mod_evasive.info |
| 02:12.35 | peterS | right |
| 02:12.36 | amphi | tremor: ;) |
| 02:12.53 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, thanks,let me try |
| 02:12.56 | Puiu_ | What is a good program to change the theme for gnome? |
| 02:13.01 | fuchsto | humm. When i log in on a server using ssh, my login / pass is accepted but the connection is closed immediately. What's wrong there? |
| 02:13.06 | tremor | amphi: -g- |
| 02:13.17 | dondelelcaro | fuchsto: run ssh -v foomachine; to see what is happening |
| 02:13.35 | fuchsto | dondelelcaro: Exit status -1 |
| 02:14.33 | peterS | solution: just firewall off ssh entirely and make everyone use telnet. like *.testdrive.hp.com. (brilliant.) |
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| 02:17.01 | Maquiavelo | Anyone has apt-get install phpmyadmin? if so, once the package is installed and apache2 restarted, where can I access phpmyadmin? |
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| 02:18.55 | christor_ | please someone can help me to debug a wifi prob, I m little lost , I installed the madwifi driver, I loaded the module ath_pci and I have an interface ath0 . I compiled the wpa_supplicant soft and lauched the command who seems worked properly and now I m doing a dhclient ath0 and I have received packet failed on ath0 network down ?, Is it a problem because it doesn t reconize the router wifi? |
| 02:19.54 | tonsxchat | ok, got all that up |
| 02:20.20 | tonsxchat | now for the final question of the night: how do i configure dualhead? [it's mirrored right now] |
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| 02:20.54 | abrotman | everyone sing CAR CAR! |
| 02:20.57 | tonsxchat | wait, sorry, I'll have one more question after that ;) |
| 02:21.06 | dracflamloc | does anyone know how to always background the "Configuring network interfaces" part of startup? |
| 02:21.17 | abrotman | bonus points if you know what Car Car is |
| 02:21.46 | tonsxchat | the large version of cancan? |
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| 02:21.55 | abrotman | !tonsxchat-- |
| 02:22.14 | tonsxchat | abrotman: so (tonsxchat == true) then? ;) |
| 02:22.37 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 02:22.39 | Noboru | dondelelcaro,It's done. :) |
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| 02:24.07 | peterS | abrotman: a lisp expression to get the first element of the list which is itself the first element of another list |
| 02:24.18 | abrotman | !peters-- |
| 02:24.26 | abrotman | oh wait .. i'm only supposed to give bonus points if you know |
| 02:24.29 | abrotman | !peters++ |
| 02:24.48 | sgeigerbot | WOW...A LOT OF FAMILIAR, OLD FACES TONIGHT. Hey, guys! |
| 02:24.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:25.06 | peterS | yes, sgeigerbot, haven't seen you in awhile |
| 02:25.23 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I got a MacBook Pro |
| 02:25.27 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: are you going to get all mushy on us? |
| 02:25.31 | abrotman | sell out .. weenie! |
| 02:25.37 | peterS | sgeigerbot: I get confused about the macbook models, is that one of the intel ones? |
| 02:25.40 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I will pee on your leg but nothing more. |
| 02:25.42 | EdLin | sgeigerbot: yep, freenode #debian is still here in spite of everyone's best efforts to get rid of it. |
| 02:25.59 | peterS | awww, how sweet |
| 02:26.01 | tonsxchat | so abrotman - any clue how to do dualscreen/multiview/dualhead/whatever you want to call it? |
| 02:26.03 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i'm hurt .. i mean .. really .. all you're willing to give me is a little pee? |
| 02:26.04 | sgeigerbot | peterS: yep |
| 02:26.14 | abrotman | tonsxchat: eh .. xinerama or whatever it's called |
| 02:26.23 | abrotman | !xinerama |
| 02:26.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 02:26.36 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: If you appreciate it there will be more where that came from. |
| 02:26.50 | sgeigerbot | hamachi! hamachi! hamachi! hamachi! hamachi! hamachi! |
| 02:26.56 | sgeigerbot | Sorry...I love that thing. |
| 02:27.07 | tonsxchat | what if i want multiple monitors but two logical desktops? |
| 02:27.08 | abrotman | collar |
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| 02:27.25 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: what? no cattle prod? |
| 02:27.38 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i'm not a sick fuck like you |
| 02:27.51 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Few are. |
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| 02:28.21 | river_ | i'm trying to install debian etch on a Sun X4100 (using 'install26'), but at the partitioning screen, it does not show any disks. is the kernel too old to understand the SAS controller in this machine? |
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| 02:29.52 | peterS | river_: possibly. what kind of disk controller, did you say? |
| 02:29.57 | tonsxchat | river_: what chipset? |
| 02:30.06 | river_ | i don't know the exact model, one moment... |
| 02:30.45 | tonsxchat | river_: processor chipset, not disk controller chipset [although that may help too ;)] |
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| 02:31.59 | river_ | tons: is nforce4 a reasonable answer to that question? |
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| 02:32.15 | tonsxchat | river_: what is your processor? |
| 02:32.25 | peterS | river_: I think that's a good answer, yeah |
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| 02:33.02 | river_ | tons: opteron 254 |
| 02:33.16 | river_ | (x2) |
| 02:34.05 | BobTheSpeaker | Would it be any more secure to change apache user/group in the config file to nobody instead of www-data, altough I assume www-data doesn't own aything anyway? |
| 02:34.46 | river_ | the SAS controller is an LSI one |
| 02:34.50 | peterS | river_: kernels newer than 2.6.8 (in debian stable) have added two models of nforce series IDE chips to their ID list, the MCP51 and the MCP55. I don't know if those are nforce4 or what |
| 02:34.58 | river_ | peter: it's SAS, not IDE |
| 02:35.12 | tonsxchat | what is SAS? |
| 02:35.15 | abrotman | Software As a Service? |
| 02:35.17 | river_ | serial attached scsi |
| 02:35.21 | tonsxchat | lol |
| 02:35.32 | tonsxchat | Why would you do something like that? |
| 02:35.40 | river_ | don't ask me, i didn't invent it :) |
| 02:35.41 | peterS | river_: right, you said that. I don't know which scsi chip those things have |
| 02:35.44 | abrotman | serial attadchec scsi ? |
| 02:35.44 | river_ | it's like SCSI over SATA or something |
| 02:35.54 | abrotman | !sas |
| 02:35.55 | dpkg | i heard sas is Storm Administration System from Stormix (A linux distributor), or Serial Attached SCSI |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | hehe ... stormix |
| 02:36.30 | tonsxchat | so any clues for the multi-desktoping abrotman ? |
| 02:36.40 | river_ | the machine has Solaris pre-installed, i can find a PCI ID for the controller from that.. would that help? |
| 02:36.56 | peterS | river_: probably, yes |
| 02:37.18 | stoned | http://www.100mb.nl/ |
| 02:37.18 | peterS | river_: as it happens, those same two chipsets (MCP51, MCP55) have been added to the corresponding SATA driver too |
| 02:37.32 | stoned | check it |
| 02:37.46 | river_ | peters: is that included in the Etch 'netboot.tar.gz', do you know? |
| 02:37.50 | river_ | (because that's what i used) |
| 02:37.59 | thew0nderllama | BobTheSpeaker: no |
| 02:38.02 | abrotman | tonsxchat: i told you |
| 02:38.34 | peterS | river_: hold on, must check kernel versions |
| 02:38.34 | thew0nderllama | BobTheSpeaker: it's better to have rights compartmentalized |
| 02:38.52 | tonsxchat | abrotman: I want multiple displays with multiple logical desktops, not single logical desktop as xinerama provides |
| 02:39.02 | BobTheSpeaker | thewonderllama, what does that mean? |
| 02:39.04 | peterS | river_: those two chips were added to kernel 2.6.14, I think etch is using something at least that new. |
| 02:39.15 | BobTheSpeaker | separate user/groups you mean for each process? |
| 02:39.17 | sparr | Can anyone recommend a FOSS IM client that can handle AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, MSN, and Jabber, and can block ICQ spam? |
| 02:39.24 | peterS | river_: actual PCI IDs would help, though, yes |
| 02:39.35 | river_ | okay, give me a moment to configure the solaris installation |
| 02:39.36 | thew0nderllama | BobTheSpeaker: well, probably not each process, but major things like apache pays to have it's own user |
| 02:39.54 | BobTheSpeaker | Ok, makes sense. |
| 02:39.55 | thew0nderllama | especially when it can own files (in /var/www/ for instance) |
| 02:40.24 | abrotman | tonsxchat: try running two X instances .. and binding one to each head .. no idea how to do it though |
| 02:40.36 | tonsxchat | abrotman: bah, i'll just leave it single |
| 02:40.43 | tonsxchat | it's gonna be a ssh server with xforwarding mostly anyway, just figured locally could use both heads on the FireGL ;) |
| 02:40.57 | tonsxchat | ok, now for the final issue of tonight |
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| 02:41.04 | abrotman | tonsxchat: we can't help you get laid |
| 02:41.15 | tonsxchat | abrotman: huh? |
| 02:41.33 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 02:41.35 | river_ | i'm not actually certain it's an nforce4, by the way |
| 02:41.39 | tonsxchat | how should I go about installing and configuring openssh on debian with x forwarding? should I just apt-get install openssh then configure it as normal, or is there something special in deb? |
| 02:41.45 | river_ | the Ultra 20 and X2100 use that chipset, but this one might be different |
| 02:41.47 | abrotman | !tell tonsxchat about sshx |
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| 02:42.23 | abrotman | gravity: how long til the i810 fix floats into etch? |
| 02:42.38 | peterS | river_: actually, come to think of it, I don't know whether debian-installer can deal with SAS. the kernel can, but that doesn't mean debian-installer knows about it explicitly |
| 02:42.41 | tonsxchat | abrotman: yea, i know how to tunnel x over, was more interested in how to set up openssh ;) |
| 02:42.44 | gravity | abrotman: A while |
| 02:42.46 | debian | I believe I'm not alone. I got pivot_root: no such file or directory, /dev/console not found, then kernel panic, when I switch from 2.4 to 2.6 in a debian/stable server |
| 02:42.47 | abrotman | gravity: you know .. give or take a month or two :) |
| 02:42.53 | debian | I tried everything I can found in google: use root=/dev/sda9 instead of root=/dev/hda9, MAKDEV console, include or exclude initrd, etc. but no luck |
| 02:42.54 | gravity | Yeah, like a month or two |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:42.57 | river_ | peters: hmm, i was under the impression it would just appear as a SCSI disk (/dev/sdX) |
| 02:42.58 | debian | any more suggestion? |
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| 02:43.05 | gravity | I haven't even started... there's this really serious Xft problem |
| 02:43.15 | abrotman | who needs xft! |
| 02:43.22 | peterS | river_: I don't know much about SAS, to be honest - including what the kernel driver situation is |
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| 02:43.39 | river_ | i don't either, this is our first SAS system... everything else is scsi or sata |
| 02:43.52 | tonsxchat | !tell tonsxchat about openssh |
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| 02:44.16 | unhappy | hi can someone help me ... i'm trying to mount a ntfs directory in my home dir but i can only do it as root ... but then i cannot view the directory as normal user ... how can i fix that pls |
| 02:44.40 | peterS | river_: the acronym makes it sound like SSA, which was a great technology that might have caught on 10 years ago if it didn't cost so freaking much, like fibre channel without the buy-in |
| 02:44.49 | Supaplex | unhappy: check the mount options in the man page. |
| 02:45.42 | Puiu_ | What is a good program(gui) to play music with.(I'm on gnome) |
| 02:45.58 | abrotman | what format? |
| 02:46.10 | Puiu_ | ogg/mp3/wav |
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| 02:46.13 | Supaplex | I guess that rules cat out. |
| 02:46.20 | thew0nderllama | call me old fashioned, but i'm happy with xmms |
| 02:46.25 | Supaplex | ditto |
| 02:46.36 | abrotman | xmms? quodlibet? zinf? rhythmbox? |
| 02:46.46 | stoned | amarok... |
| 02:46.47 | abrotman | you keep your knob out of this |
| 02:46.49 | river_ | peterS> i think SAS is meant to capitalise on the SATA market |
| 02:46.51 | abrotman | stoned: GNOME! |
| 02:46.53 | stoned | so? |
| 02:46.58 | river_ | although i don't really understand what the relation is :) |
| 02:47.05 | abrotman | who the hell would install half of kde to get a music player? |
| 02:47.06 | river_ | apparently they're pin-compatible with SATA drivers, or something |
| 02:47.12 | stoned | abrotman, not I |
| 02:47.18 | abrotman | right! |
| 02:47.31 | stoned | abrotman, well because I don't use gnome |
| 02:47.38 | peterS | river_: which makes one wonder what the point is of a separate transport |
| 02:47.58 | peterS | river_: it's not like sata doesn't already have most of the useful bits of scsi in it |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | things to sell :) |
| 02:48.09 | stoned | rythem box is nice. another one like xmms almost is beep media player, gtk2 based, works under gnome |
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| 02:48.39 | peterS | well, except the useful bit where you can put 15 devices onto a single scsi bus, and only one device onto a sata cable |
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| 02:49.02 | river_ | SAS supposedly support 16,384 devices |
| 02:49.12 | river_ | that's extremely useful given that this system has 2 drive bays |
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| 02:49.23 | peterS | yeah, I'd better rush out and buy a SAS host adapter then |
| 02:49.24 | river_ | and i don't see it as a fibre channel replacement :) |
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| 02:50.26 | peterS | btw, river_, speaking of fibre channel, do you need an 18 GB FC-AL drive? I happen to have one I can't use, I'll ship it anywhere in the US for $5 |
| 02:50.38 | river_ | not really, but thanks :) |
| 02:50.53 | river_ | although if you want to donate an FC-AL HBA to wikipedia, we might be able to use one of those |
| 02:51.00 | peterS | dang it, I was gonna make a profit. USPS shipping is actually only $4.05 |
| 02:51.26 | peterS | if I had an FC-AL HBA, I'd use this drive myself |
| 02:51.40 | bush | any major pitfalls i should watch out for by downgrading back to stable |
| 02:51.44 | bush | or should i not even bother |
| 02:51.57 | unhappy | i'm sorry i cannot figure out the man page it's too hard i don't know what are they talking about how can i mount ntfs and use it as ordinary user .. can someone just give me an example |
| 02:52.03 | river_ | bush: last time i used debian, downgrading was a really bad idea |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 02:52.14 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 02:52.45 | bush | gah |
| 02:53.16 | bush | its either try to downgrade or put a cdrom in the box so i can reinstall sarge |
| 02:53.29 | bush | and the basement is a whole two floors away, im too lazy |
| 02:53.30 | unhappy | dpkg ... by user .. you mean the actual user or "user" |
| 02:53.45 | bush | unhappy: user |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | bush: why would you want to downgradE? |
| 02:54.03 | unhappy | so "unhappy" or "user" |
| 02:54.04 | bush | abrotman: issues with my fileserver and xorg/ati |
| 02:54.08 | bush | USER |
| 02:54.18 | abrotman | it's a fileserver .. and it runs X? |
| 02:54.22 | river_ | pci bus 0x0002 cardnum 0x03 function 0x00: vendor 0x1000 device 0x0050 |
| 02:54.22 | river_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.27 | abrotman | does your X server need 3d? |
| 02:54.28 | bush | abrotman: well |
| 02:54.29 | river_ | peterS> i think that's the SAS controller |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | i mean .. you could just run vesa |
| 02:54.37 | bush | i guess it merits explanation |
| 02:54.58 | abrotman | oh .. this should be good |
| 02:55.01 | bush | i use it as a fileserver and the reason i have X on it is because i also run a few virtual servers in VMware |
| 02:55.02 | river_ | and prtconf -v seems to agree |
| 02:55.14 | bush | it beats setting up physical boxes and jacking up my power bill. |
| 02:55.22 | bush | so think of it more as a second desktop that i access remotely |
| 02:55.25 | abrotman | so use .. the vesa driver? |
| 02:55.25 | unhappy | how do i find my uid |
| 02:55.34 | bush | abrotman: tried, bork |
| 02:55.51 | bush | same deal with my desktop and i finally got fed up and just backed up what i could to get X running again |
| 02:56.00 | abrotman | what's the log say ? |
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| 02:56.11 | bush | i normally use vesa anyway, i have no need for 3d accel |
| 02:56.22 | peterS | river_: ahh, the 'mptsas' kernel module, along with 'scsi-transport-sas' |
| 02:56.41 | river_ | peterS> how would i load that if the installer didn't do so by default? |
| 02:57.00 | peterS | river_: mptsas is new to kernel 2.6.14 |
| 02:57.21 | river_ | hmm, so i guess the etch netboot bundle is older than that |
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| 02:57.23 | peterS | river_: you can install with the 'expert26' prompt, I think, and that should give you more opportunities to load modules. I forget the details |
| 02:57.32 | river_ | ah, let me try that |
| 02:57.39 | abrotman | bush: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 02:58.35 | bush | abrotman: all three of the machines i run debian on have ATI radeons, and no matter what driver i used with xorg my machine hard locked |
| 02:58.39 | bush | and none of them do it with sarge |
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| 02:58.55 | abrotman | bush: try that link |
| 02:59.05 | bush | checking now, its loading |
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| 02:59.50 | abrotman | don't forget to press play and FF at the same time |
| 02:59.51 | river_ | oh, this is the old installer, i remember this |
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| 03:00.07 | peterS | river_: well, it looks like the old installer. it's not, it's completely new, but it has a similar interface |
| 03:00.14 | bush | perhaps i shouldnt have purged all X related stuff |
| 03:00.18 | peterS | river_: anyway, the etch beta2 installer uses kernel 2.6.15, so that ought to be new enough |
| 03:00.46 | river_ | it's similar enough that it's still extremly unfun on a 9600bps serial console :) |
| 03:00.48 | sgeigerbot | peterS: |
| 03:01.07 | river_ | i don't see an option to load kernel modules though |
| 03:01.35 | peterS | river_: let me check the image to see if it has mptsas and scsi-transport-sas |
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| 03:02.32 | tremor | peterS: the split-command runs fine. but the subsequently following convert breaks with: convert: Unexpected end-of-file `xaa': No such file or directory. any ideas? |
| 03:03.15 | peterS | tremor: is the xaa file exactly 64 MB? that is, 67108864 bytes |
| 03:03.42 | stew | peterS: 2.6.15 has both |
| 03:03.46 | tremor | peterS: yes, it is. |
| 03:03.59 | peterS | stew: yeah but does 2.6.15 have both on the _install image_? |
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| 03:04.18 | tremor | peterS: and i try to convert with: convert -size 4096x16384 gray:xaa xaa.pgm |
| 03:04.20 | stew | peterS: aren't the udebs built with the same config? |
| 03:04.23 | peterS | tremor: then if you told it greyscale 8 bits per pixel 4096 x 16384, that should be the right size |
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| 03:04.34 | stew | heh, joeyh was actually just here! |
| 03:04.37 | stew | he'd know :) |
| 03:04.38 | tremor | peterS: i though so also |
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| 03:04.51 | peterS | stew: the modules are split off into different .udeb packages, I don't know if all modules make it onto the installer image |
| 03:05.11 | abrotman | joeyh isn't allowed in here! |
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| 03:05.29 | river_ | 'modprobe mptsas' gives 'module not found' from the installer shell |
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| 03:05.49 | stew | peterS: oh, didn't know that |
| 03:06.23 | dserban | mah |
| 03:06.27 | dserban | err meh :) |
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| 03:07.44 | river_ | hmm, here's a howto on installing debian on this server, but it looks like a pain :) |
| 03:08.13 | dserban | So, funny kinda issue... say hypothetically that I have a bttv tv card, and I set alsa up super 'n stuff... when I log into gnome... I get to listen to the sound currently tuned to the card... i then start a tv program... namely tvtime... and the sound goes away... hypothetically of course... |
| 03:08.36 | dserban | What would I hypothetically look at to reverse this effect? |
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| 03:09.06 | peterS | river_: ok, turns out mptsas definitely is shipped in etch debian-installer |
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| 03:09.43 | river_ | hmm, where would it be? there's no mptsas in /lib/modules |
| 03:10.06 | peterS | river_: it's in 'scsi-extra-modules' module |
| 03:10.14 | peterS | river_: as is the scsi_transport_sas module |
| 03:10.24 | river_ | how do i add that to the install image? |
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| 03:10.44 | WeirdAl | Hey, guys - is anyone here willing to help me package SeaMonkey 1.0.2 for Debian? I've got a compiled build which works, but no clue on packaging :) |
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| 03:11.14 | peterS | river_: not sure, somewhere in the expert install there should be a list of packages you can install, including scsi-extra-modules. as I said, I forget the details |
| 03:11.33 | abrotman | !tell WeirdAl about mg |
| 03:11.35 | river_ | ah.. 'download installer components' perhaps |
| 03:11.45 | peterS | yes |
| 03:12.05 | WeirdAl | thanks abrotman |
| 03:13.10 | river_ | except there's no 'scsi-extra-modules' there |
| 03:13.26 | tremor | peterS: i found the solution. an additional '-depth 8' solved the problem. |
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| 03:13.43 | peterS | tremor: ahh, it was defaulting to bit depth of 16 bits or something? |
| 03:13.50 | tremor | peterS: yep |
| 03:14.08 | tremor | peterS: normally it assumes 8 bit for gray:raw |
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| 03:15.14 | tremor | peterS: maybe in some special situations the destination format influences this decision. |
| 03:15.40 | pinky | !marriat |
| 03:15.42 | tremor | peterS: but this way it seems to work now. very thank you.:) |
| 03:15.53 | peterS | tremor: yeah, dunno. anyway, glad you got that worked out. the "P5 4096 16384 255" header would have given it exactly the same information |
| 03:16.09 | peterS | (the last number is 'highest grayscale value') |
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| 03:16.20 | tonsxchat | anyone have a good guide on how to set up key based encryption for openssh (require client to have the key to connect) [need guide for server end, not client end]? |
| 03:16.40 | river_ | hm.. i loaded mptsas manually and it sees the drives in dmesg, but the installer still won't show them |
| 03:17.00 | peterS | tonsxchat: at the server end it's very simple. in your home directory, mkdir .ssh; chmod 700 .ssh; then copy the client '*.pub' file to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 03:17.13 | tonsxchat | I did |
| 03:17.20 | tremor | peterS: yep. i thought so as you wrote last time. :) |
| 03:17.21 | tonsxchat | but it still allows for password-only connection |
| 03:17.26 | tonsxchat | I want it to be locked to require keys |
| 03:17.41 | peterS | river_: so do the drives show up in /proc/scsi/scsi? do they show up in /proc/partitions? |
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| 03:18.40 | river_ | peterS> both |
| 03:18.59 | peterS | river_: interesting - the installer should see the drives then, AFAIK it mainly trusts /proc/partitions |
| 03:19.00 | river_ | i wonder if it's confused by the Solaris disklabel |
| 03:19.08 | peterS | it shouldn't be confused by that |
| 03:19.18 | peterS | worst case, it should show an unpartitioned disk |
| 03:19.43 | river_ | hm, sdb is 'unknown partition table' in dmesg anyway, and that doesn't appear either |
| 03:20.00 | peterS | so sda and sdb show up in /proc/partitions but without any partitions? |
| 03:20.12 | river_ | no, sda shows up with the solaris partitions |
| 03:20.18 | river_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.27 | peterS | ahhh |
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| 03:21.09 | smacnay | what are the benefits of using the Debian nvidia packages over the nvidia installer from the nvidia site? |
| 03:21.09 | peterS | river_: I'd suggest taking this to irc.debian.org #debian-boot and asking there |
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| 03:21.29 | peterS | river_: (note you are not on irc.debian.org at the moment) |
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| 03:21.42 | river_ | hmm, it moved? let me try that then |
| 03:21.56 | peterS | river_: yes, irc.debian.org recently moved to irc.oftc.net |
| 03:22.07 | river_ | oh, i'm there anyway :) |
| 03:22.09 | tobias | is there a simple way to retrieve the Nth day in the past using the `date` utility? |
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| 03:23.01 | tremor | peterS: and as i checked. convert already created the three lines you suggested for getting a vaid pgm-file. [1] P5 [2] 4096 16384 [3] 255 |
| 03:23.12 | tremor | *valid |
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| 03:23.58 | tremor | so the last check will be, if i can increase the size to the maximum of 256MB in the split-cmd |
| 03:24.28 | tremor | which would/should be the largest size, convert can handle |
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| 03:25.33 | shlub | hello |
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| 03:26.56 | shlub | anyone know when the new version will be released? |
| 03:27.16 | Supaplex | yes |
| 03:27.21 | peterS | tremor: right, try it and see, I guess |
| 03:28.10 | shlub | I would like to try the official amd64 vers |
| 03:28.15 | gravity | shlub: It's scheduled for around the end of this year. Check the release team announcements on the debian-devel-announce mailing list for more info |
| 03:28.59 | shlub | thanks |
| 03:29.11 | Noboru | Generally speaking, if you already have libapache-mod-limitipconn,you do not have to install mod-bandwidth nor other stuff which does the same thing ? |
| 03:29.32 | jbrimble | :( |
| 03:29.42 | Noboru | jbernard, sup ? |
| 03:29.45 | Noboru | oops |
| 03:29.48 | Noboru | jbrimble, hi |
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| 03:30.19 | tonsxchat | anyone here familiar with how to force opensshd to only allow pubkeyed access (disallow password-only access)?? |
| 03:30.34 | Noboru | By the way,how come in Debian mod_bandwidth.so is already installed yet its not being included in moudles.conf ? |
| 03:30.50 | Noboru | I mean,it came from debian installation. |
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| 03:31.11 | tremor | tonsxchat: pubkey-mode is working? |
| 03:31.45 | tonsxchat | tremor: hmm? |
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| 03:33.12 | tremor | tonsofpcs: for remote it means, when you switch of passwords and switch on only pubkey while its not working correctly, you're out ;) |
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| 03:35.00 | tonsofpcs | tremor: the box is in my room ;) |
| 03:35.07 | tremor | tonsofpcs: iirc: PubkeyAuthentication yes + PasswordAuthentication no should be, what you are looking for |
| 03:35.16 | tremor | in the sshd_config |
| 03:36.56 | tonsofpcs | tremor: it's already set that way.... |
| 03:38.20 | tremor | uh |
| 03:38.42 | tremor | tonsofpcs: and you reloaded its configuration? |
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| 03:39.03 | tonsofpcs | yup |
| 03:39.58 | tonsofpcs | wait, i think i found it |
| 03:40.16 | tonsofpcs | now how do I restart sshd (sarge) [i rebooted the machine to do it before]? |
| 03:40.43 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 03:40.45 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 03:41.49 | tremor | tonsofpcs: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 03:41.51 | tremor | i think |
| 03:42.03 | tonsofpcs | k |
| 03:42.14 | WeirdAl | hey, is there a standard way of marking a bug as needing a babysitter? :) I think I'll need to devote a whole weekend to packaging SeaMonkey for Debian, and I'll need some handholding. |
| 03:42.17 | tonsofpcs | yay! |
| 03:42.30 | tarzeau | oh no |
| 03:42.32 | tarzeau | WeirdAl: but why? |
| 03:42.41 | tonsofpcs | ChallengeResponseAuthentication no |
| 03:42.44 | tonsofpcs | ;) |
| 03:42.46 | tarzeau | WeirdAl: does it run on gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 03:42.50 | WeirdAl | tarzeau: because I'm a Mozilla developer, not a Debian developer |
| 03:43.08 | tarzeau | WeirdAl: not you again |
| 03:43.21 | tarzeau | WeirdAl: this is #debian, not #mozilla |
| 03:43.23 | stew | WeirdAl: if you have read the maint-guide and still have questions, use #debian-mentors or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors |
| 03:43.32 | WeirdAl | stew: I'm starting to read it |
| 03:44.27 | humbolt | any idea where I can get freeNX packages for sarge including the NX-OSS-libs? |
| 03:44.39 | humbolt | they are missing in the tar from berlios. |
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| 03:46.36 | diowork | anyone ever played with sme linux 6 |
| 03:46.55 | Puiu_ | Can sound juicer rip to mp3 or no? |
| 03:47.29 | clocker | Does anyone know how to get an old 3com USR PCI (hardware) modem happening in Debian. I'm all done with rpm if I can just get this figured out |
| 03:48.44 | peterS | clocker: things like that, it's all about loading the right kernel modules. whatever modules you needed in suse or whatever, look for those in debian |
| 03:49.23 | peterS | Puiu_: nothing in Debian can rip to mp3, because the Debian Project can't afford to buy MP3 encoder patent licenses for all of our users |
| 03:50.06 | Puiu_ | peterS, I am using marillat. |
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| 03:50.31 | sharyari | elo |
| 03:50.44 | peterS | Puiu_: yeah, if you've already bought an mp3 encoder license, you can try to see if various apps interface with mp3 encoders |
| 03:51.05 | stew | one of my clients actually paid for the licenses |
| 03:51.29 | sharyari | I've got some problems with debian. Last 3-4 times I installed debian the linux consoles havn't worked quite like they ought to :P |
| 03:51.38 | peterS | Puiu_: I'm just saying, the Project doesn't make integration with things like LAME much of a priority, since we can't ship it anyway |
| 03:51.46 | stew | sharyari: can you be more specific? |
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| 03:52.26 | sharyari | well, not much really. When I use ZSH, the prompt is all black, and when I use irssi for IRC, some text parts arn't shown at all |
| 03:53.11 | stew | sharyari: in x or in a vt? |
| 03:53.17 | sharyari | if I type ls in zsh, It gives me a long black list of dirs. The only thing indicating it does it at all is that every line ends with \ (like directorys do) |
| 03:53.22 | sharyari | vt |
| 03:53.25 | sharyari | X works fine |
| 03:53.45 | sharyari | atleast it has done the last months, until five minutes ago :P Ignore that |
| 03:54.54 | sharyari | the problem isn't realated to the shell btw, since I have the same problem with bash (but not as much) |
| 03:55.19 | sharyari | Think it has somthing to do with the colors I use in prompt, but I can't say what since some colors are shown |
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| 03:56.12 | redblades | Hi, I'm using VMware |
| 03:56.29 | redblades | I just tried to install Mandriva 2006 |
| 03:56.43 | redblades | It hung |
| 03:57.01 | redblades | Has anyone had similar issues with vmwaare? |
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| 03:58.53 | ice_1963 | i don't use mandriva |
| 04:00.31 | shlub | Can ayone tell me why I should use Debian over Open SUSE? |
| 04:01.34 | dserban | Debian leaves room for jesus. |
| 04:01.46 | redblades | shlub, make uo your own mind and use the one you like the best |
| 04:02.50 | shlub | I believe is separation of church and op system |
| 04:02.53 | redblades | dibblego |
| 04:02.58 | redblades | this CD is fine |
| 04:03.00 | sharyari | :) |
| 04:03.10 | redblades | I have used it before |
| 04:03.20 | redblades | sharyari???? |
| 04:04.25 | stew | shlub: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 04:05.15 | shlub | ok |
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| 04:05.56 | tremor | ergh at the news: everywhere dry in germany! .. but cold like in winter, the dont tell- |
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| 04:06.08 | tremor | *they |
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| 04:06.19 | plasmoduck_ | how do I listen to a pls stream with mpg123 |
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| 04:07.51 | valdyn | tremor: *slightly* exaggerated |
| 04:07.55 | Noboru | i installe mod_php4, so what is the exact path it intalls to ? i found them in /etc/php4 and in /usr/lib/php4 |
| 04:08.08 | eimajenthat | anyone here running dovecot-pop3d in etch? I'm trying to upgrade to the newest version and it's giving me a slightly confusing error. |
| 04:08.41 | deadcat | will xterm ever be able to transparent? (= |
| 04:08.49 | valdyn | Noboru: /etc/ is for configuration only |
| 04:08.50 | gravity | deadcat: It already can |
| 04:08.50 | peterS | probably not |
| 04:08.55 | gravity | transset |
| 04:08.56 | Noboru | valdyn, hmm |
| 04:08.56 | deadcat | gravity: whoa (= |
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| 04:09.05 | clocker | Thanks peterS |
| 04:09.10 | deadcat | gravity: no. i mean like urxvt*transparent: true |
| 04:09.13 | tremor | valdyn: you mean the file sizes? |
| 04:09.16 | gravity | deadcat: Probably not |
| 04:09.19 | deadcat | oh |
| 04:09.19 | gravity | Why bother? |
| 04:09.24 | deadcat | i dont like urxvt |
| 04:09.33 | valdyn | tremor: no, that weather report |
| 04:09.37 | tremor | ah |
| 04:09.38 | gravity | xterm + transset then |
| 04:10.08 | eimajenthat | dovecot post installation script had an error when I apt-get upgraded it. No idea who to fix that: http://pastebin.com/764423 |
| 04:10.09 | deadcat | gravity: that means i need xcompmgr or something though. and that slows |
| 04:10.16 | tremor | valdyn: because they show temperatures of about 20 degrees but here i have actually 6 ;) |
| 04:10.16 | peterS | transparent terminals are an abomination, useful only to impress people when you aren't using the terminal anyway |
| 04:10.17 | Noboru | valdyn, so it must be /usr/lib/php4 |
| 04:10.28 | valdyn | tremor: yea, at 6am... |
| 04:10.35 | valdyn | tremor: just like sahara actually |
| 04:10.57 | stew | gravity: any idea when we might see 7.1 hitting unstable or experimental? |
| 04:10.58 | tremor | valdyn: then i hope, the sands will stay there -g- |
| 04:11.15 | gravity | stew: I'm not totally sure. I'm working on pieces of it as we speak |
| 04:11.21 | stew | gravity: cool |
| 04:11.26 | deadcat | nice |
| 04:11.26 | gravity | stew: The problem is serious breakage with Xft and the new freetype that's not yet resolved upstream |
| 04:11.36 | gravity | stew: So I don't know how big a blocker that's going to be |
| 04:11.41 | plasmoduck_ | how do I listen to a pls stream with mpg321 |
| 04:11.45 | deadcat | 7.1 comes with aiglx right? |
| 04:11.47 | stew | gravity: do you think we'll see in experimental or sid first? |
| 04:11.53 | valdyn | plasmoduck_: you dont |
| 04:11.54 | gravity | stew: experimental definitely |
| 04:12.01 | valdyn | plasmoduck_: use somaplayer or xmms, for instance |
| 04:12.04 | gravity | I'm going to stage the server and drivers in experimental first so they're ready to go |
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| 04:13.05 | eimajenthat | If anyone was going to give help me fix my dovecot, don't bother. I think I see what I did wrong. |
| 04:13.23 | deadcat | eimajenthat: ok. |
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| 04:13.58 | plasmoduck_ | is somaplayer console? |
| 04:14.19 | plasmoduck_ | I need something console bassed that will play it |
| 04:14.31 | deadcat | plasmoduck_: play music via console? |
| 04:14.39 | valdyn | plasmoduck_: yes |
| 04:15.07 | valdyn | plasmoduck_: it rocks, its seems rather unkown because its by japanese people iirc |
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| 04:18.06 | g3brown | ntpdate good way to sync clock? |
| 04:18.36 | valdyn | g3brown: not when your system is running |
| 04:18.48 | valdyn | !set the time |
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| 04:18.48 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 04:18.58 | g3brown | valdyn: not sure what that means, but what should I been looking for then? |
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| 04:19.32 | deadcat | ok. i am in 2 #debian channnels right now.. |
| 04:19.34 | deadcat | wtf |
| 04:20.00 | g3brown | valdyn: Clock is off and I don't know why. There is nothing I can run in a cron job or something to keep it in sync? I don't really want to reboot system. |
| 04:20.08 | g3brown | ls |
| 04:20.15 | deadcat | perm denied |
| 04:20.16 | valdyn | g3brown: read what dpkg said |
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| 04:20.47 | deadcat | accidently typed /quit (= |
| 04:20.59 | g3brown | valdyn: I did. Was commenting back to that. It says "on reboot" |
| 04:21.20 | valdyn | g3brown: read on after 'reboot' |
| 04:21.29 | tremor | i'm going to emigrate .. football wm .. please let it be over quick |
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| 04:21.52 | g3brown | valdyn: "slewed" part or "tzconfig" ? |
| 04:22.54 | tremor | good day/night to all |
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| 04:24.10 | smacnay | wow, with the recent Xorg upgrade in "testing", aptitude shows a few broken files in the xserver listing. |
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| 04:25.09 | gravity | smacnay: A few broken files? Is this on amd64? |
| 04:25.42 | m0rbid | anyone here having issues with Gaim in Sid? |
| 04:25.58 | smacnay | gravity: no, k7 |
| 04:26.12 | gravity | smacnay: What do you mean by "broken files"? |
| 04:26.14 | smacnay | xft is broken... if I upgrade |
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| 04:26.30 | gravity | Hrm... I wonder if some libs didn't transition |
| 04:26.35 | gravity | smacnay: What version of xft? |
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| 04:28.44 | smacnay | gravity: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 |
| 04:29.01 | smacnay | gravity: that is libxft1 |
| 04:29.03 | deadcat | fuck. that jerk at freeshell screw me with my account: deadcat 895 0.0 0.0 24 0 qf IW+ 4:14AM 0:00.00 /usr/pkg/bin/dues -p |
| 04:29.11 | gravity | smacnay: That'd be why... is 2.1.8.2-8 available? |
| 04:29.33 | gravity | xft1 should be dead and gone anyway |
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| 04:30.12 | smacnay | gravity: no, and it seems to be hanging on for xfree86-common and x11-common |
| 04:30.27 | smacnay | gravity: are those both needed for Xorg to run? |
| 04:30.47 | gravity | smacnay: x11-common is needed. xfree86-common needs to be removed |
| 04:30.59 | gravity | smacnay: You need x11-common 1:7.0.x |
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| 04:31.49 | Puiu_ | Can't Debian get the right to use the Firefox trademarked logo if they just ask? |
| 04:32.01 | Puiu_ | People in #gnome are saying they got the rights. |
| 04:32.06 | gravity | Puiu_: We have the right |
| 04:32.16 | gravity | Puiu_: The problem is that we can't give the right to anyone who derives from Debian |
| 04:32.18 | Puiu_ | gravity, How come there is no fireball icon by default? |
| 04:32.22 | Puiu_ | ahh |
| 04:32.23 | Puiu_ | lol |
| 04:32.27 | gravity | Puiu_: As such, it's not free because it can't be modified |
| 04:32.45 | Puiu_ | So is it in non-free? |
| 04:32.48 | gravity | No |
| 04:32.49 | Puiu_ | Is there an icon pack in non-free |
| 04:32.51 | Puiu_ | damn |
| 04:33.25 | gravity | You could, no one has bothered |
| 04:33.39 | Puiu_ | gravity, Is there a list somewhere of Icons/Trademarks Debian has the right to use, and the right to distribute? |
| 04:33.51 | gravity | Puiu_: Not that I know of |
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| 04:34.00 | Puiu_ | If I made an icon pack, would it be eligible for non-free? |
| 04:34.02 | smacnay | gravity: xserver-xorg-core has an issue with xkeyboard-config and xvfb is stuck at 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 |
| 04:34.03 | gravity | Puiu_: Mozilla is kind of a special case. I haven't heard of another one quite like it |
| 04:34.12 | gravity | Puiu_: Sure, but you'd have to find an uploader |
| 04:34.20 | Puiu_ | yea, I know I'd have to beg someone |
| 04:34.44 | gravity | smacnay: xvfb in unstable is the right version. xkb-data is the package you want instead of xkeyboard-config |
| 04:34.57 | smacnay | gravity: thanks |
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| 04:37.38 | smacnay | gravity: it is slated for install. Only two listed as broken now... |
| 04:38.16 | gravity | smacnay: What is broken? |
| 04:38.33 | smacnay | xvfb requires xauth |
| 04:38.40 | gravity | er... |
| 04:39.14 | gravity | It recommends it, but doesn't require it |
| 04:39.29 | smacnay | and the xserver-xorg-core requiring xkeyboard-config which will not be an issue as the xkb-data will be installed. |
| 04:39.31 | gravity | But that's a bug, I'll fix that |
| 04:39.56 | smacnay | gravity: thanks for the help. I will let aptitude do the work for me now. I hope all works...! |
| 04:40.15 | gravity | Hrm, that's also a bug |
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| 04:41.15 | gravity | Ok, fixed in svn. The next server upload will have those corrected |
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| 04:41.48 | smacnay | I am losing xfree86-common and xserver-common. I assume that is ok. |
| 04:42.02 | overflow | is there any way to build the .deb package from source without compile all over again? I mean I compiled the first time but I got an error when the package construction begun |
| 04:42.34 | gravity | smacnay: Yes |
| 04:42.43 | gravity | Consolidation of the debian packaging packages |
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| 04:45.07 | smacnay | gravity: thanks for the help. |
| 04:45.18 | gravity | smacnay: No problem. Thanks for spotting those bugs. |
| 04:45.57 | smacnay | gravity: they were worrying me for a few days... hence no upgrading here. :) |
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| 04:46.42 | Puiu_ | With Debian / Gnome, Am I able to get a little tray icon or something in one of the corners, So I know when I need to do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade;(Like RHEL's blinking !) |
| 04:47.03 | AgentSmoulder | Hi, how do you preload modules. I wish to preload ndiswrapper |
| 04:47.39 | Puiu_ | AgentSmoulder, echo modules >> /etc/modules |
| 04:48.21 | Coweater | Puiu_: update-notifier |
| 04:48.33 | Coweater | er upgrade-notifier |
| 04:48.37 | Puiu_ | thakns Coweater |
| 04:48.40 | AgentSmoulder | Puiu_: I have done that, but it loads them too late, and when the cardbus manager loads it crashes |
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| 04:49.10 | Puiu_ | Coweater, jeez, that little icon has 19 megs of dependencies |
| 04:49.17 | Puiu_ | 19 files also |
| 04:51.31 | Puiu_ | AgentSmoulder, What card model/make is it? |
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| 04:52.19 | AgentSmoulder | that cards works great, as long as I dont have it in when it boots, its a marvell based card labatis not sure about that labatis bit, but it has worked. |
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| 04:53.01 | m0rbid_ | anyone here have any problems with Gaim and Sid? |
| 04:53.08 | m0rbid_ | with it segfaulting? |
| 04:53.25 | smacnay | gravity: I think it worked - aptitude required 3 or maybe 4 runs to get everything installed. |
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| 04:54.41 | gravity | Cool |
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| 04:55.43 | Puiu_ | Coweater, After it installs how to I get it started/make it appear. |
| 04:56.12 | Puiu_ | AgentSmoulder, That's strange. I'm not sure. |
| 04:56.31 | Puiu_ | AgentSmoulder, If your pcmcia card isn't in while the system boots, and then you put it in...everything works peachy. |
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| 04:56.46 | Puiu_ | But if you have it in when it boots it doesn't work at all? |
| 04:57.22 | AgentSmoulder | Puiu: Yes, if I put it in when I turn on the laptop, it will get to the cardbus manager, and the system will lock up. |
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| 04:57.47 | smacnay | gravity: do I still need xlibs-pic? |
| 04:57.47 | Coweater | Puiu_: it should run as a daemon, i'm assuming it'll be started automatically after being installed and probably has config file(s) in /etc |
| 04:57.51 | gravity | smacnay: Nope |
| 04:57.54 | Puiu_ | AgentSmoulder, Do you need the cardbusmanager? |
| 04:58.06 | Puiu_ | I'm not sure at all, but I don't think you do. |
| 04:58.10 | smacnay | gravity: and xlibs-static-pic? |
| 04:58.13 | gravity | Dead |
| 04:58.13 | Puiu_ | AgentSmoulder, apt-get install rcconf; rcconf; |
| 04:58.18 | Noboru | what do i need to run command 'php' ? |
| 04:58.24 | Puiu_ | AgentSmoulder, ]Then uncheck the cardbus, and try a reboot. |
| 04:58.25 | Noboru | Now it says command not found |
| 04:58.27 | gravity | They're all proper shlibs now |
| 04:59.10 | AgentSmoulder | Puiu: I think the problem is the driver is not installed untill later. if I could get ndiswapper to load much sooner, then it will be fine. *I hope* |
| 04:59.43 | Puiu_ | !tell AgentSmoulder about startup |
| 05:00.00 | Puiu_ | AgentSmoulder, WHat starts when your system boots, is in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d |
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| 05:00.21 | Puiu_ | You probably don't want to touch /etc/rcS.d, touch /etc/rc2.d you need to change the numbers, the numbers are the order they boot. |
| 05:00.31 | Puiu_ | Those are symbolic links, to the actual scripts, which reside in /etc/init.d |
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| 05:00.45 | Puiu_ | Disclaimer: Be careful.(as always) |
| 05:01.30 | AgentSmoulder | well I"m a bit new, I'm not toally sure, I was hoping in modules.conf that I could use the pre intsall command, to load it up sooner :) |
| 05:01.54 | Puiu_ | Noboru, You possibly want to apt-get install php4-cli ? or php5-cli depending on your needs. |
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| 05:02.11 | Noboru | Puiu_, I see,thanks |
| 05:02.20 | Puiu_ | AgentSmoulder, You said your system freezes when cardbus loads. |
| 05:02.40 | Puiu_ | AgentSmoulder, Put your /var/log/messages file on a paste site. |
| 05:02.43 | Puiu_ | !tell AgentSmoulder about paste |
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| 05:04.34 | AgentSmoulder | Puiu: I will try, its on my laptop, and this is my desktop, and its windows XP Ewww :) but I have a lan card as well on my laptop, so I will rejoin later, and do that paste thing. |
| 05:04.43 | dragonfly | ok, i've edited the default paths in /etc/profile and when i log in from command line (tty2 etc) it is correct, but when i log into X (gdm,gnome) and open a terminal the path is not changed |
| 05:05.10 | dragonfly | i'm sure it's something simple that i'm missing |
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| 05:07.44 | GecKo` | If I add another cpu to my debian server, is it going to flip? |
| 05:07.52 | GecKo` | Is it better to do a free install on a multi cpu or? |
| 05:08.42 | Coweater | just grab a smp kernel image, should be no problem |
| 05:08.45 | Vasistha | what is the name of the daemon program to run to start esd? |
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| 05:09.04 | cahoot | esd? |
| 05:09.30 | Vasistha | alright then... I guess I'm missing the package I need for it |
| 05:09.36 | smacnay | gravity: now I need to be sure not to upgrade to Xorg 7.2 with an nvidia driver |
| 05:09.58 | Vasistha | ahha, I guess I also need to install esound as well as libesd0 |
| 05:10.11 | gravity | heh |
| 05:11.18 | smacnay | gravity: well, all is working - even accel 3d in X with the nvidia card. Just libdvdread3 want to upgrade but at the expense of removing libdvdread3-dev. |
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| 05:11.30 | smacnay | wnough for tonight - I am off to bed. |
| 05:11.40 | gravity | smacnay: Awesome, I'm glad to hear it |
| 05:11.51 | gravity | All the painful work seems to have paid off for the most part |
| 05:12.16 | smacnay | gravity: yes - and it wasn't that painful really. |
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| 05:12.52 | smacnay | gravity: seems shorewall is posting all status updates to console for some reason - this I need to fix. Tomorrow... |
| 05:13.23 | gravity | smacnay: Well... it was painful for me. It was a long road getting it to the point where it wasn't painful for you :-) |
| 05:13.35 | smacnay | gravity: thanks for all your work. |
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| 05:14.00 | smacnay | gravity: good night |
| 05:14.01 | gravity | smacnay: My pleasure. I'm glad to hear it's working well for you. Positive install reports are things I don't get often, so it's nice ot hear it |
| 05:14.13 | smacnay | gravity: :) |
| 05:14.15 | dragonfly | where does x pull the user's path from because changes to /etc/profile seem to have no effect |
| 05:14.17 | smacnay | A+ |
| 05:14.23 | gravity | heh |
| 05:15.11 | Vasistha | hurrah! esd is working... now I get to wait a week and see if it's any more reliable than artsd :P |
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| 05:17.36 | cahoot | Vasistha: why do you need it? |
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| 05:18.01 | dabreegster | Presumably for mixing multiple audio sources together |
| 05:18.05 | Vasistha | cahoot: my hardware is quirky and alsa doesn't work, and arts has been flaky |
| 05:18.46 | Noboru | How come by default installation of mysql via apt-get in debian ,mysql runs by root ? That should be less security in a sense ? |
| 05:19.17 | Noboru | The docs however ,mention about not running mysql as root is a good habbit though. |
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| 05:23.58 | dabreegster | Tough decision... Wait for a bug to be resolved or try to resolve it myself. |
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| 05:25.18 | Noboru | dabreegster, that was for me ? |
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| 05:25.25 | dabreegster | Er, no |
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| 05:25.29 | dabreegster | Just a random comment |
| 05:25.29 | Noboru | ok |
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| 05:26.00 | tonsofpcs | hmmmm, anyone know why dns wouldn't be resolving? |
| 05:26.02 | Noboru | I see, by the way, would you tell me what do i do to reset the times in my debian ? |
| 05:26.25 | Noboru | The time is different from my computer time |
| 05:26.39 | dabreegster | I can look up the command in a minute, but ntdpate is useful for synchronizing your clock with that of accurate servers |
| 05:26.41 | tonsofpcs | Noboru: do the minutes match up? |
| 05:26.55 | Noboru | not at all |
| 05:26.58 | tonsofpcs | odd |
| 05:27.19 | Noboru | even they have 5 hours or so time differences |
| 05:27.33 | tonsofpcs | Noboru: but are the minute portions the same? |
| 05:28.12 | Noboru | not at all,it shows its 8:15AM in my debian ,but actually its 1:30PM in my area |
| 05:28.50 | tonsofpcs | odd |
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| 05:29.52 | dragonfly | Noboru, have you checked the time in your system bios? maybe the system clock is off and that is throwing your OS clock off |
| 05:30.13 | Noboru | let me check,brb,rebooting |
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| 05:36.01 | Noboru | I checked, in BIOS the time setting is right caught up with my current local time for sure. |
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| 05:39.32 | Bread | Could someone assist me with this issue please : http://pastebin.com/764510 |
| 05:40.35 | dabreegster | Do you have apache2 installed? You have an init.d script missing. |
| 05:41.11 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: Debian, like all sane systems, keeps the system time in UTC and calculates local times by offsetting from it. |
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| 05:41.58 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: you can, if you want, keep the bios time as the local time and then do things that way, but it's not ideal. The only legitimate reason to do things this way is because you are going to dual boot windows. |
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| 05:42.40 | Noboru | dondelelcaro, I would like to fix this problem without changing my bios |
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| 05:43.13 | Noboru | The goal is letting debian display the current local time ,so programs run on the server will copy with it. |
| 05:43.55 | Bread | dabreegster, I removed it. But I tried to reinstall and it's not putting the /etc/init.d/apache2 file back even when I do. Which package is it that plafces that file? |
| 05:43.59 | dondelelcaro | Noboru: you don't need to touch your bios; just run ntpdate to set the time properly. |
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| 05:44.14 | dabreegster | Bread: I dunno, you can use apt-file to find out |
| 05:44.22 | deadcat | #debian in oftc dont seem to have as many people as freenode true? |
| 05:44.31 | Vasistha | "doesn't" |
| 05:44.34 | dondelelcaro | !tell Noboru -about set the time |
| 05:44.41 | Bread | Sorry, new to the whole debian environment, which options should I be looking for? |
| 05:44.48 | dabreegster | Bread: I'd do it for you, but I'm on dialup, and it'd take a while to update the list |
| 05:45.05 | deadcat | Vasistha: ya. (= |
| 05:45.27 | Vasistha | deadcat: I wouldn't know... I haven't been on oftc ;-) |
| 05:45.29 | dserban | Ok, so because I'm special, I went through and dpkg -P'd a bunch of packages related to gnome to have a try at reinstallation since it was so borked... so now when I go to install gnome-core via apt-get, it tells me the packages I've already removed are uninstallable... I'm assuming that it's doing this due to the package state of purged... how can I override this/ |
| 05:45.29 | Bread | dabreegster, no worries, if you could just point me in the right direction, I'd really appreciate it. I'm tempted to go down the route of compiling it from sourc/ |
| 05:45.34 | dserban | ? |
| 05:45.34 | dabreegster | Bread: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 05:45.43 | dabreegster | Bread: Shouldn't be a need to |
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| 05:45.54 | deadcat | Vasistha: oh well. i guess this still be the main #debian channel for everyone of us then |
| 05:46.04 | raden | anyone know of a way to pull passwords out of opera ? |
| 05:46.06 | dondelelcaro | Bread: it should be apache2-common; you want to use the confmiss flag |
| 05:46.13 | Vasistha | deadcat: 'twould seem to be |
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| 05:46.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell Bread about confmiss |
| 05:46.26 | Noboru | dabreegster, i just installed ntpdate,now it worked :D without doing anything else manually |
| 05:46.27 | Vasistha | raden: hrm ... I dunno, I don't use the wand |
| 05:46.37 | dabreegster | Noboru: It's really useful |
| 05:46.39 | raden | yeah i got like 30 passwords : ( |
| 05:46.44 | dserban | dondelelcaro: You're a pro with dpkg, have any idea what I'm doing wrong? (or that I've done?) :) |
| 05:46.47 | Noboru | dabreegster, Thanks :) |
| 05:46.52 | deadcat | raden: save them in a text file |
| 05:46.53 | dabreegster | Noboru: No prob |
| 05:46.55 | Vasistha | raden: although I should hope that they have it encoded in such a way that it's difficult to break |
| 05:47.00 | raden | deadcat, working on it |
| 05:47.09 | dondelelcaro | dserban: no, it just means that those packages are no longer available. |
| 05:47.18 | dondelelcaro | dserban: use apt-cache search to see what those packages are called now |
| 05:47.23 | dserban | Oh? :( |
| 05:47.24 | Bread | Thanks dondelelcaro and dabreegster, I'll try those. |
| 05:47.35 | dserban | Odd. Yeah you're right probably. |
| 05:47.40 | dabreegster | Bread: I'd go with the confmiss suggestion first |
| 05:47.45 | deadcat | raden: good thing i use the same password as my friend. so if i forget. i have him to back me up (= |
| 05:48.00 | dondelelcaro | dserban: either that, or you've not updated recently or are running testing and gnome has been removed from testing... |
| 05:48.33 | dondelelcaro | hrm... nope, 2.2.13 is in testing still |
| 05:48.40 | dondelelcaro | s/2.13/12.3/ |
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| 05:49.32 | dserban | dondelelcaro: weird... ok I just tried installing gnome gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment ... all after an apt-get update and total failure on all three. |
| 05:49.44 | sid | What is the best way to sync a file on a remote machine, so the file is on my local machine, and always being updated to the second.(depending on latency) |
| 05:49.50 | dserban | They all seem to want versions 2.12 which 2.14 are available |
| 05:49.50 | sid | (In your opinion == best) |
| 05:49.55 | Noboru | By the way,if you are running a server on debian sarge,by then will it be safe to upgrade it to Etch via apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 05:49.57 | raden | deadcat, there all bank accounts :( |
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| 05:50.00 | dabreegster | Anybody know if bugs in the Mesa-related packages are resolved soon? The ones on the bug page seem to be quite old. I'm impatient; I might be able to fix the Rage issue myself. |
| 05:50.38 | Noboru | In the meantime,you do not want to change anything for your apache,mysql and blah |
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| 05:51.00 | tonsofpcs | anyone know where I can get jailshell for deb (sarge)? [is it in apt?] |
| 05:51.21 | tonsofpcs | nm |
| 05:51.48 | tonsofpcs | wait, mind.... |
| 05:51.56 | dserban | Wow, any way I can trace the issue? Kinda odd. imho |
| 05:52.33 | dondelelcaro | dserban: uh... 2.12 is the newest version of gnome available in Debian. |
| 05:52.33 | sid | How can I sync files on two different boxes. So if there is a change to one file, the change will occur in the other. |
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| 05:52.42 | dondelelcaro | dserban: if it wants to install 2.14, you're not running Debian. |
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| 05:53.42 | iKernel | OMFG |
| 05:53.56 | dserban | dondelelcaro: oh you're right, yeah some components are 2.14 though |
| 05:54.37 | ma3x | hello, can anybody help me with bittornado for debian? I can't run it, it says : wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly. bug #354184 |
| 05:54.46 | Bread | Thanks a lot dondelelcaro and dabreegster, using confmiss with apache2-common did the trick :) |
| 05:54.47 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: consider using rtorrent instead |
| 05:55.01 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, why? |
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| 05:55.13 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: because it's faster and doesn't suck as much? |
| 05:55.33 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, suck as suck or suck bandwidth? |
| 05:55.44 | dabreegster | By the description, it shows a good bit more info than the alternative |
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| 05:56.48 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: suck as in not good; rtorrent is a command line client as well, but it has the advantage of using libtorrent instead, which is faster and doesn't eat anywhere near as much memory |
| 05:57.34 | dserban | dondelelcaro: meh... I was partially right... if I manually ask apt to install dependancies it works, if I ask for a virtual package, it doesn't. Odd. I think I'll give aptitude a shot this go-around. |
| 05:57.51 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, faster as in bandwidth too, or only system performance? |
| 05:58.08 | dabreegster | ma3x: Doubt bandwidth |
| 05:58.15 | ma3x | but dondelelcaro can you help me get bittornado running? |
| 05:58.27 | dserban | Uhh... would dpkg --clear-selections be a bad thing? |
| 05:58.30 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, it shows me this error: wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly. |
| 05:58.44 | iKernel | *** Notice -- Too many nick changes; wait 0 seconds before trying again |
| 05:58.45 | iKernel | lol |
| 05:58.45 | ma3x | #354184 |
| 05:59.06 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: system performace; the error that you're getting is because there's something wrong with wxPython. You won't get that error if you use rtorrent |
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| 05:59.29 | dondelelcaro | dserban: that won't do much of anything |
| 05:59.33 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, but can you help me resolve this error of python? |
| 05:59.56 | dserban | or dselect update? Something a little more sinister is going on here... |
| 05:59.57 | dabreegster | D |
| 06:00.04 | dabreegster | Ack, thought I was in elinks. Sorry. |
| 06:00.30 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: do you have python-wxgtk2.6 installed? do you have some other wxpython libraries installed? |
| 06:00.39 | iKernel | <dabreegster> D Hmm, looks like an evil full-toothed smile with no eyes |
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| 06:01.11 | tonsofpcs | is there a way i can search the apt repos? |
| 06:01.13 | dabreegster | iKernel: Or just my attempts to see if the r128 driver source is ready yet |
| 06:01.23 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/764531 |
| 06:01.24 | dabreegster | apt-cache search keywords |
| 06:01.24 | dondelelcaro | !tell tonsofpcs -about search |
| 06:01.26 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: according to the bug report, it's for an old version of libfreetype that was causing it. |
| 06:01.37 | tonsofpcs | thanks dabreegster |
| 06:01.44 | tonsofpcs | thanks don |
| 06:01.55 | iKernel | dabreegster, Or just an evil full-thoothed smile without eyes. |
| 06:02.20 | dabreegster | iKernel: Why evil? |
| 06:02.25 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, I have libfreetype6 and libfreetype-dev 2.2.1-2 |
| 06:02.36 | iKernel | dabreegster, the frown |
| 06:02.38 | iKernel | > D |
| 06:02.39 | dabreegster | iKernel: And I think that would depend upon the font you're using too. Looks nice and sweet here on the console. |
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| 06:02.52 | dserban | When I run aptitiude, the basic stuff seems to not exist... such as perl .. so if I dpkg -l 'perl' it comes up with a status of ri remove/installed ... meh why? I didn't ask it to remove perl (and many other base packages), how do I clear this? |
| 06:03.01 | dabreegster | iKernel: Tilt left, be more positive |
| 06:03.21 | iKernel | I am being positive. I am trying to make a joke. |
| 06:03.27 | iKernel | It is clearly not working. |
| 06:03.46 | dabreegster | I know. Sorry. I always mess up jokes. |
| 06:04.44 | dserban | What would be marking these packages with the intent to remove? Can I set them all to install if installed already? |
| 06:05.05 | tonsofpcs | any apps other than xterm that most users would be used to that I should install? [already got xterm,irssi,lynx,links2] |
| 06:05.40 | Eclipser | uh |
| 06:05.53 | Eclipser | making a public access desktop box? |
| 06:06.07 | dabreegster | Probably firefox if they're a GUI person. elinks is pretty nice for the console. |
| 06:06.10 | tonsofpcs | Eclipser: no, making one for the family |
| 06:06.16 | Eclipser | same thing :) |
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| 06:06.22 | Eclipser | family is "public" |
| 06:06.45 | dserban | ACK! Holy crap this is messed up. |
| 06:06.46 | Eclipser | tonsofpcs, has your family ever used linux before? |
| 06:06.47 | tonsofpcs | dabreegster: lynx is faster and renders some pages better |
| 06:06.54 | tonsofpcs | Eclipser: yea, family of techs ;) |
| 06:06.57 | deadcat | SamsungML (Default Printer) "Unable to open USB device, queuing on next printer in class..." what gives? the usb is plugged |
| 06:07.05 | Eclipser | tonsofpcs, lovely, can I move to your place? |
| 06:07.10 | tonsofpcs | it's really a sshd for the family to use inside the house (with x forwarding) |
| 06:07.15 | dabreegster | tonsofpcs: Probably faster. I don't use it much, but really? Just for a test, know a page it renders better? |
| 06:07.19 | tonsofpcs | Eclipser: the basement ok? you can make a bed out of 386s |
| 06:07.23 | dabreegster | tonsofpcs: Is it actively developed though? |
| 06:07.26 | Eclipser | tonsofpcs, <3 |
| 06:07.47 | dabreegster | Eclipser: Your family uses console apps? Cool. I've been trying to teach my sister, but no luck. |
| 06:07.54 | tonsofpcs | dabreegster: not offhand, but mostly sites that rely on tables render better in one or the other |
| 06:08.08 | Eclipser | dabreegster, I think you meants tonsofpcs |
| 06:08.12 | tonsofpcs | my family was using console apps before consoles were ;) |
| 06:08.23 | tonsofpcs | [I still have the Silent 700 data terminal that my mom used for work back in the day] |
| 06:08.25 | dabreegster | Eclipser: Probably, oops |
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| 06:08.37 | Eclipser | my mother HATES computers and everything else new technical stuff |
| 06:08.43 | dabreegster | tonsofpcs: Wow, that's really cool |
| 06:08.46 | Eclipser | and my father can barely use windows |
| 06:08.57 | tonsofpcs | dabreegster: yea, but i can't find the power supply |
| 06:09.04 | tonsofpcs | it's gonna be my backup machine when i'm away at school ;) |
| 06:09.06 | dabreegster | Eclipser: Apparently things work for my sister and I, but not my mom. The PC "hates" her. |
| 06:09.19 | Eclipser | they always say that |
| 06:09.26 | Eclipser | the fact is that they hate the PC |
| 06:09.28 | deadcat | i am having cups problem just now. unable to open USB devices. |
| 06:09.31 | Noboru | I cannot edit httpd.conf any more,i met a software error when was remotely accessing in my server |
| 06:09.37 | tonsofpcs | dabreegster: we have one PC at work that hates me, works perfectly fine for everyone else... then again, the other pcs hate everyone but me ;) |
| 06:09.43 | dabreegster | tonsofpcs: I've always wanted to find an old VT100 or something, just for the coolness. But I'd imagine they're pretty expensive, and I don't use eBay much. |
| 06:10.07 | dabreegster | tonsofpcs: I have a demonic printer! It's hooked up to the Windows machine, so I don't know if it's the power supply or software. |
| 06:10.12 | tonsofpcs | we got a vt1x0 at work, but it's one of the ones without the modem, idk how well it works |
| 06:10.22 | tonsofpcs | dabreegster: it's a short circuit between the OS and the hardware ;) |
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| 06:10.37 | tonsofpcs | err, between the software and the hardware ;) |
| 06:10.44 | dabreegster | tonsofpcs: It literally cuts the PC off. Fan still runs, but that's it. |
| 06:10.52 | tonsofpcs | heh |
| 06:10.56 | Noboru | now i run vi httpd.conf it says +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ httpd.conf already locked.session is read only. |
| 06:11.02 | dserban | ehh... do I need to edit the /var/lib/dpkg/status file by hand? :) |
| 06:11.23 | dabreegster | But SOMETIMES IT WORKS! It's totally random, no apparent conditions ever change. |
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| 06:13.50 | benjamindees | is there trident framebuffer support in Sarge? |
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| 06:20.45 | deadcat | wtf. my printer device uri was usb:/dev/usb/lp0 in cups interface, now its uri: usb:/Samsung/ML-2010 .. so how can i get some info via command line? or this is web gui only shit now? |
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| 06:24.12 | deadcat | diana: you go by unstable right? |
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| 06:26.15 | deadcat | someone tell me what Device URI: usb://Samsung/ML-2010 is pointing to please... it WAS /dev/usb/lp0 before the upgrade |
| 06:26.29 | deadcat | !ping |
| 06:26.29 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:26.41 | deadcat | ? |
| 06:26.47 | deadcat | cock? |
| 06:26.52 | deadcat | pussy? |
| 06:26.57 | deadcat | hmm |
| 06:26.58 | benjamindees | lol banned |
| 06:27.00 | dabreegster | Whose attention are you trying to attain? |
| 06:27.10 | deadcat | i guess i am NOT alone then |
| 06:27.34 | dabreegster | I don't know zilch about using printers, so I can't help. Sorry. |
| 06:27.39 | deadcat | dabreegster: why? did the words hilighted on your screen or something? |
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| 06:27.58 | streuner | streuner: haha |
| 06:28.00 | dabreegster | Nah, I'm not doing much except following conversations on IRC |
| 06:28.16 | dabreegster | This channel got too quiet about 15 minutes ago |
| 06:28.16 | streuner | deadcat: see what i told streuner ;-) |
| 06:28.25 | dserban | is sid busted currently? (some gnome packages?) |
| 06:28.29 | streuner | deadcat: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install :-) |
| 06:28.39 | deadcat | streuner: ya. (= hehe. i figure he has those words set to hilight for another channel.. if you catch my drift (= |
| 06:29.10 | dabreegster | Hey, I'm better than that. I actually got out today, went places with friends. |
| 06:29.23 | deadcat | streuner: it works now. i modified the printer and select the ppd file AGAIN.. same file. now it shows usb:/Samsung/ML-2010 instead of usb:/dev/usb/lp0 |
| 06:29.49 | deadcat | i just want to know where the F is the device Samsung/ML-2010 since lsof or fuser /dev/usb/lp0 shows nothing |
| 06:30.08 | dserban | what can I use instead of gnome if it's busted... please don't suggest kde |
| 06:30.08 | dabreegster | lsusb might show something interesting |
| 06:30.10 | deadcat | fuser and lsof on /dev actually dont show shit anymore |
| 06:30.22 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, did you say something to me? I got disconnected |
| 06:30.23 | deadcat | dabreegster: ya. it shows the brand name. thats it |
| 06:30.31 | dabreegster | dserban: The console! Screen, elinks, and irssi are all you need |
| 06:30.51 | dserban | Hah! |
| 06:30.56 | dabreegster | deadcat: try with -v or look into something like lshw |
| 06:31.06 | dserban | s'plain to me.. how I can use the gimp in the console? |
| 06:31.45 | dabreegster | dserban: Bah, you don't need all that fancy graphics stuff! Don't believe what they say! |
| 06:31.47 | deadcat | dserban: you dont |
| 06:31.48 | benjamindees | deadcat, is it a samba share? |
| 06:32.07 | deadcat | benjamindees: local printer. usb |
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| 06:32.17 | benjamindees | I mean, surely it didn't just create itself so probably not... |
| 06:32.32 | deadcat | benjamindees: it works now. but i just want to know wtf just happend. since this web gui shit dont really tell me jack |
| 06:32.41 | dserban | Super, heh well I want something I can use in the meantime... maybe ratpoison needs another shot... but it can't do dual screens afaik... any wm that can do dual? |
| 06:32.49 | kismet_ | what's the command to startup the X server graphics configuration? |
| 06:32.59 | deadcat | benjamindees: all i can tell is the stupid cups gui changed. with a diff theme i guess. |
| 06:33.03 | benjamindees | !drxx |
| 06:33.03 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 06:33.06 | dabreegster | !drxx |
| 06:33.11 | dabreegster | Dangit. Lag. |
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| 06:33.23 | benjamindees | deadcat, it's more user friendly :) |
| 06:33.36 | deadcat | dabreegster: time to upgrade dsl if you want to beat benjamindees on !drxx next time (= |
| 06:33.48 | streuner | deadcat: apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 06:33.49 | dabreegster | deadcat: I'm still on bloody dialup |
| 06:34.09 | deadcat | benjamindees: Device URI: usb://Samsung/ML-2010 <-- this dont really mean jack.. |
| 06:34.30 | deadcat | dabreegster: doh.. neighbor got dsl? hehe |
| 06:34.48 | dabreegster | deadcat: Not around here, unlikely |
| 06:34.55 | deadcat | doh |
| 06:34.58 | ma3x | where do I edit the email address of my user? |
| 06:35.10 | dabreegster | Meh, I'll eventually convince parents |
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| 06:35.20 | deadcat | ma3x: depends on the mua |
| 06:35.27 | uwe | um, if sarge is claiming that it cant find an appropriate module for my cdrom, if i use a newer installer but install stable ... will the system later detect the cdrom? |
| 06:35.58 | deadcat | uwe: you can use the devel d-i to install stable can you? |
| 06:36.04 | ma3x | deadcat, but if I report a bug or something I need to change it. otherwise I use kmail? is it okay to edit it there? |
| 06:36.05 | sep | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 06:36.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
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| 06:36.27 | kismet_ | should i stay away from the nv xserver driver? |
| 06:36.31 | uwe | deadcat, thank you , will google it |
| 06:36.35 | kismet_ | maybe stick with vesa? |
| 06:36.42 | benjamindees | uwe, perhaps if you use a backported kernel |
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| 06:36.57 | deadcat | ma3x: ya. usually it just use the username @ hostname.. isnt that what you get? |
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| 06:37.16 | uwe | benjamindees, im unable to even start the installtion process ... |
| 06:37.17 | wireddd | anyone know if there is a .deb of swiftfox somewhere? |
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| 06:37.30 | deadcat | wireddd: try apt-get.org |
| 06:37.33 | benjamindees | uwe, after install, I mean |
| 06:37.52 | uwe | ah ... to solve issues with cdrom ... good idea ! |
| 06:38.02 | uwe | thanks benjamindees |
| 06:38.25 | ma3x | deadcat, but it's set to 'localhost' and for the bugreport I want to use another email than localhost, my isp mail |
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| 06:38.50 | streuner | ma3x: use exim then |
| 06:39.00 | streuner | ma3x: s/exim/postfix/ |
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| 06:39.05 | deadcat | ma3x: you need to config the MTA you use to set the @yourdomain.com |
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| 06:39.30 | iKernel | most addictive screen saver is a log of intresting conversations |
| 06:39.42 | dabreegster | Is it just me, or is it extremely counterintuitive to set up exim to use Gmail? |
| 06:39.48 | uwe | deadcat, but will i be able to install sarge stable with the devel debian installer ? |
| 06:40.07 | iKernel | dabreegster, It's easy to setup a mail client to use gmail. |
| 06:40.07 | deadcat | dabreegster: i dont even know thats possible (= |
| 06:40.23 | sep | uwe, use the image that dpkg pasted earlier. it's a sarge installer with a recent kernel |
| 06:40.24 | deadcat | uwe: i am pretty sure you can. just select stable |
| 06:40.45 | ma3x | deadcat, but I dont have domain name, do you understand? |
| 06:41.16 | deadcat | ma3x: i have a dynamic domain thing. sshonly.sytes.net, when my emails go out. it shows deadcat@sshonly.sytes.net |
| 06:41.23 | uwe | thank you sep , deadcat |
| 06:41.26 | deadcat | although mails dont come it (= |
| 06:41.31 | deadcat | cant hehe |
| 06:41.59 | iKernel | deadcat, it's easy to set a mail client up to use gmail |
| 06:42.06 | ma3x | deadcat, I know, but I can't have that, behind NAT/firewall, and dont have the right to forward ports ... |
| 06:42.13 | dabreegster | iKernel: I don't use email much, so whatever. mutt doesn't even do smtp, I don't think |
| 06:42.24 | deadcat | iKernel: even mutt? |
| 06:42.28 | streuner | iKernel: well, to mail also? |
| 06:42.33 | iKernel | Use thunderbird |
| 06:42.42 | streuner | (over gmail) of course :-) |
| 06:42.45 | deadcat | ma3x: me too. thats why mails dont/cant/not allowed to come in. only out |
| 06:42.56 | dabreegster | I'm a console person. Guess I better look for another console mail client |
| 06:42.58 | deadcat | iKernel: i only use mutt |
| 06:43.03 | iKernel | ok |
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| 06:43.23 | deadcat | iKernel: so can i setup mutt to use gmail? |
| 06:43.45 | dabreegster | iKernel: If that's possible, I'd also love to know how |
| 06:43.47 | realist | mutt doesn't do smtp, because it's a MUA |
| 06:44.06 | streuner | realist: that's not the question |
| 06:44.08 | realist | I'm using gmail via mutt though ;-) |
| 06:44.51 | dabreegster | What's a mail client that does sending and receiving on the console? I might look into elmo |
| 06:44.55 | iKernel | dabreegster, if you use thunderbird, there is a nice little how to that you can get from gmail. If you use another mail client (only one that has smtp), then there's information that should work with any mail client. |
| 06:44.57 | deadcat | realist: without putting the passwd in the config file? like a gmail.asc or something? |
| 06:45.08 | iKernel | it's not hard beleive me |
| 06:45.10 | deadcat | dabreegster: mutt |
| 06:45.18 | dabreegster | iKernel: Cool, I'll check it out. Thanks. |
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| 06:45.30 | iKernel | dabreegster, No problem |
| 06:45.33 | realist | deadcat: not sure if that's possible |
| 06:45.37 | dabreegster | deadcat: I'll look into getting it to work with sending with gmail |
| 06:45.46 | deadcat | realist: i've seen people with a gmail.asc file or something like that |
| 06:45.57 | deadcat | dabreegster: cool. |
| 06:46.32 | iKernel | deadcat, What you could do is write an extenstion for mutt so that mutt can use SMTP. It would not be false to say that many mutt users would be happy if you did that. |
| 06:47.06 | deadcat | iKernel: no writing here |
| 06:47.38 | dabreegster | For something that I don't use much like email, I'd love a console client that "just works" and is extremely easy to use. mutt almost fits that spec. |
| 06:48.46 | Noboru | Is is true that in debian it removes any file in /tmp after a reboot ? |
| 06:49.17 | realist | Noboru: most distros would, yes. |
| 06:49.23 | dabreegster | Yeah, that's the way /tmp is |
| 06:49.23 | Noboru | I see. |
| 06:49.49 | iKernel | deadcat, Found just the one! elmo. It supports both smtp and pop3! |
| 06:50.05 | dabreegster | iKernel: I'm looking into it now, it looks decent |
| 06:50.35 | deadcat | iKernel: no thanks. i am a mutt person |
| 06:50.43 | iKernel | deadcat, too bad |
| 06:50.53 | iKernel | dabreegster, got a nifty ui ey? |
| 06:51.02 | dabreegster | iKernel: Wha? |
| 06:51.34 | dabreegster | iKernel: Oh, yeah |
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| 06:53.34 | realist | deadcat: what's the idea behind gmail.asc? |
| 06:54.00 | deadcat | realist: instead of showing the passwd in plain text i think |
| 06:54.01 | iKernel | Couldn't find out where the default elmorc file is (strace elmo didn't help). |
| 06:54.26 | dabreegster | iKernel: run elmoconf.pl yet? |
| 06:55.15 | iKernel | dabreegster, Just saw that in the "Installed Files" tab for elmo in synaptic, running that now |
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| 06:57.10 | realist | deadcat: is this for a multiuser system? |
| 06:57.44 | deadcat | realist: i have few people ssh in. but its pretty safe |
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| 06:58.32 | tobobo | if i am to be installing debian on a computer tomorrow but i don't have direct access to the system i will be installing it on, which is the safest bet for which kind oy CD image i should download? is it i386? |
| 06:59.31 | tonsofpcs | tobobo: do you know anything about the system? |
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| 07:00.11 | tobobo | tonsofpcs, i know it used to run windows and i am almost positive it has an intel chip in it |
| 07:00.47 | sep | tobobo, yes i386 |
| 07:00.52 | tobobo | okay |
| 07:00.56 | tobobo | thanks |
| 07:01.33 | dabreegster | iKernel: By the way, you'll probably need to set the POP port to 995 in the config file manually. That got me at first. |
| 07:01.36 | sep | tobobo, you might also want a knoppix with recent kernel if it happen to have odd hardware |
| 07:02.00 | iKernel | dabreegster, I'm fine with that :) |
| 07:02.01 | tobobo | i doubt it does but i might do that |
| 07:02.11 | iKernel | I'm used to doing stuff manually |
| 07:02.37 | dabreegster | iKernel: Ditto, I was just wondering why it wasn't connecting at first. :P |
| 07:02.47 | iKernel | k |
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| 07:03.48 | dabreegster | Grr, interface isn't as great as it first seems |
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| 07:05.55 | ma3x | hey, if I submit a bug report, should it be any moment on the bugs.debian.org website? |
| 07:06.11 | dabreegster | It'll take up to an hour, I think |
| 07:06.20 | ma3x | oh okay, thanks |
| 07:06.21 | dabreegster | I submitted my first today and it was a little over 30 minutes |
| 07:06.33 | ma3x | what package for? |
| 07:06.41 | dabreegster | libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 07:06.53 | dabreegster | The Rage 128 direct rendering driver thingy is screwed up |
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| 07:08.26 | iKernel | :( |
| 07:08.52 | fireba11 | iKernel: got problems ? |
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| 07:08.59 | dabreegster | Yeah. And it's a simple source fix according to some Redhat BTS page, but I've been having trouble with the mesa source package |
| 07:09.18 | iKernel | fireba11, don't like how dpkg can't install from a http link |
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| 07:09.32 | fireba11 | uhm .. what are you trying to do ? :-) |
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| 07:10.33 | iKernel | fireba11, Trying to install aim, but: dpkg-deb: file looks like it might be an archive which has been corrupted by being downloaded in ASCII mode |
| 07:10.45 | fireba11 | hm .. no good ^^ |
| 07:11.26 | iKernel | fireba11, the file is here: http://ftp.newaol.com/aimgen/380469/aim_1.5.286-2_i386.deb |
| 07:11.56 | dabreegster | Just wget it or something, don't rely on a browser |
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| 07:13.33 | iKernel | dabreegster, I wget'd it first, then tried the browser. same |
| 07:13.52 | iKernel | so I'm downloading the tar gz archeive instead |
| 07:14.01 | dabreegster | Weird. What's file foo.deb say? |
| 07:15.37 | iKernel | aim_1.5.286-2_i386.deb |
| 07:16.10 | b_jonas | hi, all. I just wished if we could have dependencies in init scripts just like in gentoo |
| 07:16.29 | b_jonas | someone has already asked this in a mailing list it seems: |
| 07:16.36 | b_jonas | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/msg00019.html |
| 07:17.03 | peterS | b_jonas: it comes up all the time. it'll happen when more maintainers adopt LSB conventions |
| 07:17.11 | b_jonas | LSB? |
| 07:17.15 | peterS | yeah, look it up |
| 07:17.22 | b_jonas | wtf LSB? |
| 07:17.24 | dabreegster | Linux Standards Base or something |
| 07:17.25 | peterS | it stands for the Linux Standard Base |
| 07:17.46 | b_jonas | I used gentoo before so I miss it, |
| 07:17.54 | peterS | it's a published standard for Linux implementations. It includes standards for init scripts. |
| 07:18.05 | peterS | I doubt anyone in gentooland has heard of it (: |
| 07:18.22 | peterS | they're all about everything _but_ standardization (: |
| 07:18.22 | b_jonas | oh, I don't want to adhere to standards, you know |
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| 07:20.41 | b_jonas | the gentoo way was good security-wise, because once I've set it up that the net.eth0 startup needs the iptables startup, there's just no way for me to start up net accidentally without the packet filter |
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| 07:21.38 | b_jonas | like, when I fired up S runlevel but then did `/etc/init.d/net.eth0 start', the packet filter started up too |
| 07:22.23 | b_jonas | also on debian my problem is that the symlinks store the startup order so when I remove a symlink then that information seems to be lost |
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| 07:22.51 | b_jonas | how do I know what priority I need when I recreate the symlink? |
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| 07:24.36 | TomasOsmena | hi all |
| 07:25.20 | TomasOsmena | i just install debian-31r2-i386-netinst on my other system,after i config APT |
| 07:25.44 | TomasOsmena | how can i install the package |
| 07:25.46 | streuner | hm |
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| 07:26.22 | TomasOsmena | i already finished setting apt-config |
| 07:26.31 | streuner | apt-get install <package>? |
| 07:26.37 | dabreegster | What package are you going for? |
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| 07:26.47 | TomasOsmena | i dont know |
| 07:26.56 | TomasOsmena | how can i view the package list? |
| 07:27.03 | TomasOsmena | so i can select it? |
| 07:27.05 | dabreegster | Use a frontend like aptitude |
| 07:27.10 | streuner | taskselect |
| 07:27.11 | b_jonas | TomasOsmena: you have to use the dselect program |
| 07:27.12 | dabreegster | Any particular program you want? |
| 07:27.25 | TomasOsmena | let say kernel |
| 07:27.45 | streuner | oh, recommending dselect for a newbie isn't a good idea :-) |
| 07:27.51 | b_jonas | it was a bit difficult to comprehend at first for me but after it's great to view the package list and isntall packages |
| 07:28.07 | b_jonas | streuner: what's better instead? |
| 07:28.27 | streuner | *cough* kpackage *cough* |
| 07:28.57 | b_jonas | oh, but you have to install that first somehow, don't you? |
| 07:29.00 | streuner | but sadly you need nowadays run KDE... |
| 07:29.06 | b_jonas | that's like synaptic, isn't it? |
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| 07:29.16 | r_marvin | aptitude or synaptic |
| 07:29.24 | realist | deadcat: what I was more concerned about, was the fact anyone on the local system could potentially send mail via smtp.gmail.com |
| 07:29.51 | realist | deadcat: if the MTA was configured to relay mail via google |
| 07:29.59 | TomasOsmena | bye folks |
| 07:30.02 | TomasOsmena | thanks for the help |
| 07:30.36 | deadcat | realist: ah.. |
| 07:30.51 | deadcat | realist: they can. since they can right now using my pacbell account |
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| 07:31.20 | streuner | b_jonas: dselect is a great tool for those who have a clue about, but most newbies just saying its hard to handle and they gave up with debian... |
| 07:32.21 | realist | deadcat: depends how you have your MTA configured, right now I only relay outgoing mail for auth'ed users |
| 07:32.24 | b_jonas | I see. Ok, I'll recommend synaptic or kselect then |
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| 07:33.39 | deadcat | realist: ah. basic setup here |
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| 07:34.02 | deadcat | since i only use it to mail my dpkg --get-selections for backup (= |
| 07:34.14 | iKernel | ok well aim is working now |
| 07:34.32 | iKernel | had to link a library and cp some libs though |
| 07:35.30 | ricky_clarkson | Hi. I did modprobe ieee80211 ipw2200, and I don't see anything special using iwconfig. |
| 07:35.41 | ricky_clarkson | Is there something else I need to do? |
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| 07:41.46 | Noboru | I have a question please,how come in fact many webhostings won't deliver java support along with php mysql ? |
| 07:42.06 | Noboru | I mean,is it true that to run java ,we should make a dedicate server for it ? |
| 07:42.56 | chalcedony | java coding is a pain |
| 07:43.00 | realist | Java can be very resource intensive |
| 07:43.02 | chalcedony | but i'm quoting someone |
| 07:43.21 | realist | chalcedony: not as painful as C can be |
| 07:43.30 | chalcedony | my son loves C |
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| 07:43.34 | chalcedony | he hates java |
| 07:43.39 | realist | Java doesn't make you learn pointer arithmatic |
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| 07:44.25 | chalcedony | hmmm |
| 07:44.26 | realist | chalcedony: it can be cumbersome :-) |
| 07:44.41 | chalcedony | i guess it works with the way he thinks |
| 07:45.36 | realist | I've always preferred C, however, Java _can_ be useful |
| 07:46.57 | Noboru | oh |
| 07:47.20 | Noboru | I think what realist said might be the main cause ? |
| 07:47.29 | Noboru | I heard that too,a bit |
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| 07:48.15 | Noboru | chalcedony, by the way,i meant to offer java support, compile should be done in their client side. |
| 07:49.19 | realist | Define java support? |
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| 07:49.19 | l00pdee | can someone please help me decide what is the best inkjet/photo mf printer to get for about $130 ? |
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| 07:49.19 | sinizzl | hi folks |
| 07:49.19 | deadcat | how do i list users on the current channel? (= |
| 07:49.30 | realist | deadcat: /who |
| 07:49.32 | deadcat | ah |
| 07:49.43 | realist | I wouldn't recommend it on large channels though ;-) |
| 07:49.54 | Noboru | realist, oops,i meant to add 'jsp' support on the server. |
| 07:49.56 | sinizzl | when i start my computer it brings teh error message "restoring mixer settings" failed. it seems there's no mixer anymore and i haven't screwed with the config at all. the modules for my card are loaded |
| 07:50.09 | deadcat | realist: its bitlbee. can i list them in the channel instead of status? |
| 07:50.33 | sinizzl | aumix: fehler beim oeffnen des mixers :( |
| 07:50.33 | realist | deadcat: each clients configuration is different |
| 07:50.39 | deadcat | realist: irssi |
| 07:50.52 | realist | Noboru: javascript? |
| 07:51.42 | Noboru | realist, not javascript |
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| 07:51.53 | Noboru | jsp,see |
| 07:52.12 | Noboru | So that the cusumers can run their own web sites written in jsp on the server. |
| 07:53.33 | realist | deadcat: /window level |
| 07:53.47 | tarzeau | does flashplugin-nonfree work for anyone? |
| 07:53.56 | tarzeau | (the one in stable) |
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| 07:59.27 | Vasistha | tarzeau: I've seen it work on stable, yeah. |
| 07:59.49 | tarzeau | Vasistha: me too, but it fails now |
| 07:59.51 | Vasistha | tarzeau: I think it works in firefox for me... you may also need to install a browser plugin |
| 07:59.53 | tarzeau | Vasistha: and the backport works |
| 08:00.01 | tarzeau | Vasistha: run /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin |
| 08:00.06 | tarzeau | Vasistha: it doesn't work anymore (on sarge) |
| 08:00.14 | tarzeau | Vasistha: but i don't care since it's not main |
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| 08:00.17 | Vasistha | tarzeau: ...you're advising me to break it? :-) |
| 08:00.26 | tarzeau | Vasistha: and it's several times in BTS |
| 08:00.31 | tarzeau | Vasistha: no it won't break |
| 08:00.39 | tarzeau | Vasistha: it'll only fail on freshly installed computers |
| 08:01.04 | adu | does anyone know of something like git/cvs/svn for keeping lots of files on a central storage unit, then haveing some of those files synced from and to other computers/drives? |
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| 08:01.47 | Vasistha | adu: well... does it need the checkout, update, and version control capabilities? If not, rsync? |
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| 08:02.00 | adu | rsync... hmm i'll check it out |
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| 08:02.50 | Vasistha | tarzeau: strange. well maybe it'll be fixed. email macromedia? I honestly think it's very important to bug them, so they know it's important to support the linux community, if they get letters they'll realize it actually is important |
| 08:03.13 | tarzeau | Vasistha: hahaha you are not seriously asking me to mail macromedia are you? |
| 08:03.27 | tarzeau | Vasistha: linux community? without free software? |
| 08:03.35 | tarzeau | do you booze in the mornings? |
| 08:04.11 | Vasistha | tarzeau: why not, dude? there are quite a number of people who might be happy to switch to linux, except they need stuff like that. I don't know if linux wants them... but some distros appear to. |
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| 08:05.16 | Maakuth | yeah, why bother port any software to linux if nobody wants them |
| 08:05.28 | Vasistha | tarzeau: I mean, I understand gnash is going pretty strong now (if I am to believe what the gnu people have written about their own toy) ... but AFAIK there still isn't a linux-ready flash player 8, and I've seen at least a couple people requesting that in this chan |
| 08:05.46 | tarzeau | Vasistha: man you're nuts |
| 08:05.50 | tarzeau | Vasistha: go you write them! |
| 08:06.00 | tarzeau | i'll pay you a sixpack of beer if they'll fix it |
| 08:06.05 | Maakuth | i think everybody should |
| 08:06.06 | Vasistha | tarzeau: heh, I thought you cared :-) that's why I suggested it to you |
| 08:06.12 | tarzeau | Vasistha: macromedia sucks. adobe sucks. sun sucks. |
| 08:06.23 | realist | Oh gno! Not sun! |
| 08:06.25 | tarzeau | Vasistha: no i don't use any flash. i hate mozilla and firefox. my browser is links2 |
| 08:06.37 | Vasistha | "gno" :-) |
| 08:06.41 | dabreegster | Have fun waiting. I emailed the company that made my speaker system the other day and never received the guarenteed reply one business day later. |
| 08:06.48 | Vasistha | well, I'm not going to say anything to support a flamewar |
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| 08:07.29 | tarzeau | Vasistha: the problem really is with the debian package that it doesn't get later (security fixed(more or less)) flash plugins |
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| 08:07.41 | tarzeau | Vasistha: the sid version works, i've done a backports.org |
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| 08:08.52 | Vasistha | tarzeau: well I can't be one to talk, I do use opera as my primary browser -- although I trust opera more than macromedia, that's for sure |
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| 08:10.43 | liable | hrm, no upgrades for two weeks. wonder whats gonna break. |
| 08:10.47 | Penguin | how to get a full path of a path in shell? such as pwd=/tmp, "./xx" should return "/tmp/xx". |
| 08:10.58 | tarzeau | liable: sid? |
| 08:11.10 | tarzeau | liable: i've done no upgrades for years and then done ugprades :) worked like a champ |
| 08:11.10 | liable | tarzeau: yeah |
| 08:11.20 | liable | heh, lucky you :) |
| 08:11.33 | tarzeau | liable: nothing todo with luck, i've done so many times |
| 08:11.35 | liable | i cant imagine i will be so lucky :) |
| 08:12.06 | liable | wtf, xfce is still broken.. :( |
| 08:14.51 | b_jonas | Penguin: if you just want to get the path for the current directory in the shell, you can say ~+/xx or "$PWD"/xx |
| 08:15.01 | b_jonas | I don't know the general case |
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| 08:16.06 | Penguin | b_jonas, I want confirm if the input path is a ./xx or a /tmp/xx, then return the abs path. |
| 08:16.20 | dserban__ | What should I apt-cache search to find all the x terminal emulators? |
| 08:16.37 | dabreegster | terminal emulator, mayne. |
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| 08:17.22 | ma3x | does anybody use rtorrent? |
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| 08:17.41 | dserban__ | hhmmm I think I'll be fondling rxvt for a while, completely forgot about it. |
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| 08:19.47 | b_jonas | well, I don't know a way for that without checking if it starts with ./ or is . |
| 08:20.12 | setcode | hello |
| 08:21.22 | b_jonas | well, if it's a directory, then "`cd ./xx; pwd`" expands to it |
| 08:21.40 | b_jonas | but that fails if it's a non-directory file |
| 08:27.24 | adu | my only addition to any flame war is that flaming is gay |
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| 08:31.00 | r_marvin | is people.debian.org down? |
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| 08:32.01 | realist | r_marvin: I can ping it from here |
| 08:32.33 | ma3x | why do I see comic characters in the manpages? |
| 08:33.16 | r_marvin | i was trying to read the fla^Wmailing list archives in lurker and i see there's no response (on http) |
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| 08:34.35 | ma3x | what does mean the "A" after the "i" in aptitude? |
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| 08:35.12 | r_marvin | "automatically installed", iirc |
| 08:35.39 | ma3x | so what does that mean, installed as a dependency? |
| 08:35.45 | r_marvin | yes |
| 08:36.15 | r_marvin | and it would be removed if the packages that depend on it are uninstalled |
| 08:36.41 | ma3x | alright thanks |
| 08:36.57 | r_marvin | realist: it looks like a routing issue, apparently. i can ping it from other provider |
| 08:38.50 | realist | r_marvin: routing issue with your upstream provider? |
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| 08:39.11 | r_marvin | no, it stops just past sprintlink |
| 08:39.28 | richiefrich | are there any repos for Flock ? or must i compile from source |
| 08:39.33 | r_marvin | i'm coming over telia->sprintlink-> |
| 08:40.27 | r_marvin | from qwest.net i miss three hops before gluck, but gluck responds |
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| 08:41.36 | r_marvin | i'll ask my upstream first, though |
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| 08:43.52 | pitillo | liable, the logs reported yesterday about rpc.statd disapeared when rebooted the system. Removing portmap and nfsd and without rebooting make the problem. Now fixed. :) |
| 08:45.57 | Mastroquet | Hi, i'm running Etch and my last aptitude dist-upgrade (mostly gnome-system-tools, nautilus and xpdf) "recommended" to install fam too. I don't knox if its worth it... |
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| 08:54.01 | CrippsFX | morning deadcat :) |
| 08:54.14 | deadcat | CrippsFX: (= |
| 08:54.22 | deadcat | its night time here. |
| 08:54.32 | CrippsFX | lol. you must be in North America ;) |
| 08:54.38 | deadcat | yeep |
| 08:55.16 | CrippsFX | so that means that when I was in here "last night" you hadn't had your coffee yet? ;) |
| 08:55.33 | realist | It's night time here too :-) |
| 08:55.47 | deadcat | dont drink coffee |
| 08:55.53 | CrippsFX | tea? |
| 08:55.55 | deadcat | nope |
| 08:55.57 | deadcat | water (= |
| 08:56.01 | realist | UTC+1000 |
| 08:56.19 | CrippsFX | water's good too ... unfortunately it's low in caffiene :P |
| 08:56.27 | deadcat | (= |
| 08:56.29 | CrippsFX | realist, UTC+1 here ... |
| 08:56.38 | realist | Mmmm caffiene, just finnished a cuppa :-) |
| 08:56.44 | deadcat | CrippsFX: i AM caffiene (= |
| 08:57.02 | dan_p | can anyone point me in the right direction for info on debian packages for cpan modules? (I need to create some dependencies for a perl script I wish to package) |
| 08:57.05 | realist | Not 98% water? 98% caffiene ;p |
| 08:57.20 | deadcat | dan_p: apt-cache search lib perl |
| 08:57.21 | CrippsFX | lol. |
| 08:58.39 | formorer | dan_p: apt-get install dh-make-perl |
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| 08:59.32 | dan_p | thanks for that, I suspect i'll be packaging them myself |
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| 09:09.34 | RichiH | can anyone with a thinkpad x31 and working sound send me the output of lsmod? |
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| 09:11.20 | fourat | hello all |
| 09:11.28 | fourat | i need a partimage tutorial |
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| 09:11.42 | fourat | !partimage |
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| 09:12.54 | GoAuLd | !xgl |
| 09:12.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
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| 09:15.21 | yalu | logging in as root over ssh is regarded as bad practice (it exposes the password too much)... but, is it still considered insecure if you use dsa/rsa keys for authentication? |
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| 09:16.15 | dondelelcaro | yalu: you shouldn't do it anyway, because you should use root as little as possible |
| 09:16.26 | dondelelcaro | yalu: having a whole shell running as root doesn't qualify |
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| 09:17.31 | Timmy_ | hey! |
| 09:17.39 | wireddd | what about logging in as a normal user and su to root? |
| 09:18.01 | Timmy_ | what'll work |
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| 09:19.10 | yalu | dondelelcaro: some things just have to be done as root. like installing updates. |
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| 09:21.25 | yalu | wireddd: well, that's one step I would leave out for convenience. knowing it is considered insecure in a normal ssh installation (password authentication), I wondered what the situation with public/private key authentication is (after all, the keys don't pass over the network) |
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| 09:24.21 | wireddd | yalu, in my opinion it would be better to use pub/pri key auth to ssh as a normal user and then su from there. |
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| 09:27.56 | fireba11 | wireddd too much paranoia |
| 09:28.36 | wireddd | It would just be ideal, but it is probably overkill |
| 09:29.22 | fireba11 | i'm just using 15-char random passwords for root ... but i'm logging in directly via ssh ... that's not reachable fro the outside though |
| 09:30.30 | wireddd | I do all kinds of stupid things inside of my firewall |
| 09:31.25 | fireba11 | wireddd: from outside there are only a few services reachable, most via ssl ... and openvpn connections :-D |
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| 09:32.25 | oskie | is there a tool to display hardware info from /sys? I need to know what ethernet devices I have in my computer (/var/log/kern.log has been rotated into oblivion) |
| 09:32.56 | fireba11 | oskie ? hat a look at /proc maybe ? |
| 09:33.31 | wireddd | oskie what about lspci? |
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| 09:33.58 | liable | ifconfig -a and lspci doesnt give what you want? |
| 09:34.14 | kimo | Guys, anyone knows of unofficial kernels for sid (with swsusp2 support ...?) I don't wanna compile my own |
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| 09:34.49 | neeto | Stupid question: I want to rmdir a non-empty dir... how |
| 09:35.41 | wireddd | rm -r |
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| 09:35.46 | neeto | Thank you |
| 09:35.52 | Lauchita | hi there |
| 09:35.54 | wireddd | it is recursive |
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| 09:36.12 | Lauchita | some1 can give me a hand? |
| 09:36.36 | Lauchita | i have some issues with glibc and phtread |
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| 09:37.58 | ricky_clarkson | I did modprobe ieee80211 ipw2200, and iwconfig doesn't show any wireless interfaces, but I have one. |
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| 09:38.15 | ricky_clarkson | Any suggestions. |
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| 09:41.04 | neeto | ricky_clarkson, what firmware are you using |
| 09:41.21 | ricky_clarkson | 2.4 from ipw2200.sf.net |
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| 09:48.07 | dev52 | is there a kiosk-type installation for debian? |
| 09:49.03 | AoA | Is there anyway to uninstall old GTK2+ and install new one from cource ? (how to uninstall some packages and not there dependeces ?) |
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| 09:50.22 | dev52 | AoA: note, that debian packaging thinks it owns /usr, /var and /etc (except /uisr/local, which it's not allowed to touch) |
| 09:50.33 | blondie | !es |
| 09:50.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 09:51.19 | dev52 | if you build a lib from source, you want it to not be accessable on a systemwide basis unless you -know- what you're doing. |
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| 09:51.58 | dev52 | so that would include /usr/local, since that is usually considered system-wide |
| 09:53.26 | ricky_clarkson | dmesg says that sending TX_POWER times out, to my ipw2200. |
| 09:54.47 | dev52 | anyways, so I'm looking for something that installs maybe a browser and an email client, and when it comes up, it asks how to connect to the net, then opens a browser once connected |
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| 09:55.20 | ricky_clarkson | How can I see the contents of an ext3 partition in Windows? |
| 09:55.30 | dev52 | get a driver |
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| 09:57.38 | davis | hello |
| 09:58.05 | TuxMeister | hey guys, i have some problems booting a debian system from grub, i have a kernel panic... it can't find the system on /dev/hda3 ("root=" option) |
| 09:58.19 | ricky_clarkson | Explore2fs works fine. |
| 09:58.24 | davis | i need to install a down level version of cvs from testing rather than unstable. How do I do tht? I have unstable and testing in my apt.sourcs list. |
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| 09:58.53 | dev52 | TuxMeister: try booting manually, from the grub shell |
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| 09:59.06 | TuxMeister | how do i do that? |
| 09:59.10 | ricky_clarkson | Here's my dmesg output, line 286 is where there are failures. |
| 09:59.14 | ricky_clarkson | http://pastebin.com/764798 |
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| 09:59.32 | dev52 | write down what you did then alter your menu.lst to suit |
| 09:59.35 | TuxMeister | the system is on hda3 which a think that for grub is (hd0,2) |
| 10:00.00 | dev52 | you have any hda( < 3 )? |
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| 10:00.38 | TuxMeister | yep, hda1 and the linux-swap part with hda5 (gparted makes parts like that, dunno why) |
| 10:01.18 | dev52 | oh, oops, wrong question... so grub is installed on hda? |
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| 10:01.52 | castro2006 | guys, i tried to activate arabic language for writing but they sestem become freez and i did some thing, i created new user name with the same ID and copied all files form old one |
| 10:02.15 | Alam_Debian | how do I found out if a file is part of a package? |
| 10:02.18 | TuxMeister | yeah, on the MBR, but i have another one installed on hda3, and that part has the boot flag right now, but it doesn't boot from there |
| 10:02.23 | castro2006 | but i cannot open Application Menu , it just appers ans disapperes immediately |
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| 10:03.00 | dev52 | TuxMeister: ok, so you have a grub on hda and another on hda3? |
| 10:03.54 | TuxMeister | yeah, but i'm checkin' out the menu.lst from hda3 and i missed the initrd path in the hda one |
| 10:04.28 | dev52 | the mbr one will be the one to boot... |
| 10:04.58 | dev52 | if you then want to boot the one on hda3, you might have to chainload it |
| 10:04.59 | TuxMeister | yeah, i'm adding the initrd path to the hda one |
| 10:05.05 | b_jonas | Alam_Debian: try dpkg --search filename |
| 10:05.15 | TuxMeister | dev52, how do i do that? |
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| 10:05.25 | TuxMeister | it would be better for me |
| 10:06.16 | dev52 | so you want the mbr grub to boot and give you some choices, one of which is to boot another grub on a partition? (just making sure) |
| 10:06.44 | TuxMeister | yeah |
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| 10:07.13 | dev52 | ok, you have time to explore? (see, I forgot some details) |
| 10:07.26 | TuxMeister | yep |
| 10:07.32 | TuxMeister | tell me what you wanna know |
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| 10:08.03 | dev52 | whether you could get into grub more deeply by experimenting and reading up :) |
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| 10:09.14 | TuxMeister | :p ok... anyway, putting the initrd path in the hda menu.lst it booted perfectly |
| 10:09.53 | dev52 | that wasn't what you asked for... but since it works... :) |
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| 10:10.42 | TuxMeister | yeah i know, but i'll figure out how to chainload it with the grub in hda3 later, so thanks a lot |
| 10:11.23 | dev52 | TuxMeister: while you -are- welcome... you did all the work... |
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| 10:13.12 | TuxMeister | dev52, :p anyway, i got inspired while i was talkin' to you :p |
| 10:13.41 | dev52 | what a coincidence... I was trying to inspire ya :) |
| 10:15.20 | TuxMeister | :p that's why the thanks |
| 10:15.28 | dev52 | oh :) |
| 10:15.34 | dev52 | again yw. |
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| 10:19.34 | amimusa | hello everybody, can somebody tell me a HEX Editor please ? |
| 10:19.52 | amimusa | gaelabel, hello |
| 10:19.59 | amimusa | do you know something ? |
| 10:20.14 | mc__ | amimusa, try google |
| 10:20.23 | amimusa | ok ... mc__ |
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| 10:27.13 | ma3x | if I install from snapshot, there are more version to choose for a certain package. How do I specify the version? (apt-get install package-version) ? |
| 10:27.27 | AoA | Is there anyway to uninstall old GTK2+ and install new one from cource ? (how to uninstall some packages and not there dependeces ?) |
| 10:27.39 | davis | hello |
| 10:27.55 | azeem | AoA: why? |
| 10:28.20 | azeem | AoA: you should have very good reason when trying to use a source-built GTK2 |
| 10:28.23 | AoA | azeem . because bilions of aplications wants to have new GTK2+, and I cannot build tham |
| 10:28.24 | davis | i want to install a older version of cvs on my debian unstable system. When I do apt-get install -t testing cvs, it says cvs is already at latest version. |
| 10:28.30 | dev52 | AoA: note, that debian packaging thinks it owns /usr, /var and /etc (except /uisr/local, which it's not allowed to touch) |
| 10:28.31 | azeem | AoA: eh, how new? |
| 10:28.40 | azeem | AoA: are you running stable? |
| 10:28.50 | dev52 | if you build a lib from source, you want it to not be accessable on a systemwide basis unless you -know- what you're doing. |
| 10:28.55 | AoA | azeem , I am runnig Sarge 3.1r0a |
| 10:29.05 | dev52 | so that would include /usr/local, since that is usually considered system-wide |
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| 10:29.22 | AoA | dev52 , yes, I want just some application to acces and use tham |
| 10:29.28 | azeem | AoA: what kind of applications do you need which are not available for sarge? |
| 10:29.40 | ma3x | hello, how do I install package with its version? |
| 10:30.07 | AoA | azeem , right know I cant remember just beep-media-player , new one which has LIBRARY for music |
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| 10:30.19 | AoA | azeem , right know I can remember just beep-media-player , new one which has LIBRARY for music |
| 10:30.45 | dev52 | AoA: you can build up what you need from source and install it in a non-systemwide place... that includes the libs, any necessary tools, and the app itself |
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| 10:32.22 | AoA | dev52 , but if I want to install GTK2+, it needs some new package like glib, cairo etc, and I dont know how to tell that ./configure script to look somewhere else, and if I install that , I dont know how to tell other programs which I want to build where to look for GTK ... |
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| 10:33.18 | azeem | AoA: well, yeah, sarge might be too old for any really new-crack stuff |
| 10:33.23 | dev52 | AoA: right... which means if you go along this path, you're going to be buildiing everything related... |
| 10:33.44 | azeem | AoA: did you try Rhythmbox? |
| 10:33.59 | Studiosus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.10 | ricky_clarkson | Alam_Debian: dpkg -L packagename | grep filename |
| 10:35.30 | AoA | azeem , I didnt , but I need taht GTK2+ new one. For example I succesfuly installed KDE 3.5.3 , and It works great, now...that gtk stuff... |
| 10:36.10 | Alam_Debian | i got it already, I need to see if that file is part of a package before deleting it |
| 10:36.25 | dev52 | oh, the configure script will have something for pointing to the sources or installations of your source stuff... most configure scripts will respond to ./configure --help |
| 10:36.26 | ricky_clarkson | Alam_Debian: Er, I had paged up a few times and forgot, didn't realise that was ages ago. ;) |
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| 10:37.29 | ma3x | hello, when I start vlc, the gui is gone. you know why? |
| 10:38.36 | dev52 | ma3x: no... why? |
| 10:39.14 | AoA | dev52 , but when I install all that, how to tell other application to use that new GTK2+, do I need just to compile wuth that, in configure script ? |
| 10:39.21 | dev52 | err sorry.... that question always sounds like a knock knock joke to me... |
| 10:40.18 | ricky_clarkson | dev52: knock knock |
| 10:40.26 | dev52 | !! |
| 10:40.27 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 10:40.29 | dev52 | who's there? |
| 10:40.31 | ricky_clarkson | Ipe |
| 10:40.41 | deadcat | ipe who? |
| 10:40.44 | ricky_clarkson | Dirty bugger. |
| 10:41.02 | deadcat | wtf |
| 10:41.03 | ma3x | I get this error when I launch vlc: [00000276] skins2 interface error: no suitable dialogs provider found (hint: compile the wxWidgets plugin, and make sure it is loaded properly). And no GUI controls, nothing |
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| 10:41.26 | ricky_clarkson | dev52: "I poo" |
| 10:41.35 | dev52 | yoo doo??> |
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| 10:43.25 | dev52 | ma3x: so, let's see, did you try reading that message to yourself for the purpose of trying to understand it? |
| 10:44.25 | ma3x | dev52, yeah. but how the hell do I provide that suitable dialog? or plugin or whatever it is? the msg is not enough informational |
| 10:44.49 | dev52 | it looks to me like this: |
| 10:45.05 | dev52 | (1) there is a plugin architecture |
| 10:45.14 | dev52 | (2) there is a missing plugin |
| 10:45.28 | dev52 | (3) the message suggests a plugin to try |
| 10:45.34 | formorer | install wxvlc? |
| 10:47.31 | ma3x | wxvlc is the plugin? |
| 10:48.00 | ma3x | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 10:48.00 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.16 | dev52 | (4) said message suggests -building- that plugin and installing it properly... but I'm guessing that if everything else is installed from a debian package, the plugin it suggests or a different one that provides the same functionality is installable as a debian packabge |
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| 10:48.58 | dev52 | as you can see, there's actually a lot of information in the error message you posted :) |
| 10:49.21 | ma3x | dev52, but the plugin is not installable |
| 10:49.40 | amimusa | i'm looking for a hex editor which i can install as user, please... tired to google anyone know someone ? |
| 10:49.42 | ma3x | because it depends on a higher version of vlc |
| 10:49.45 | dev52 | (here we go again) why? |
| 10:49.49 | ma3x | so something is wrong with the packages |
| 10:49.53 | dev52 | oh... |
| 10:49.59 | dev52 | that could be |
| 10:50.07 | formorer | do you have stable? |
| 10:50.21 | dev52 | what about getting a newer vlc? |
| 10:50.23 | ma3x | so what can I do about it, except for waiting for the next 12 hours for another package update? |
| 10:50.31 | ma3x | no stable, sid |
| 10:50.40 | formorer | then its you own fault, just wait |
| 10:50.42 | dev52 | yes... |
| 10:50.45 | deadcat | yay. no more centericq (= |
| 10:50.52 | dev52 | you could try building it :) |
| 10:51.00 | ma3x | build from source? |
| 10:51.02 | ma3x | come on |
| 10:51.10 | ma3x | that's not what's debian for |
| 10:51.20 | ma3x | just get the damn package and install it |
| 10:51.21 | ricky_clarkson | ma3x: Use older versions. |
| 10:51.21 | dev52 | you installed sid... you're supposed to know how to do that :) |
| 10:51.23 | formorer | hey, you are using sid. I expect that sid users could fix such a problem in thei own |
| 10:51.41 | dev52 | ma3x: that's what -stable- is for :) |
| 10:51.52 | ma3x | yeah yeah you say that all the time |
| 10:52.01 | ma3x | sid is for watching pr0n :p |
| 10:52.06 | deadcat | (= |
| 10:52.08 | deadcat | yay |
| 10:52.31 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.34 | ricky_clarkson | maybe it's true. |
| 10:52.38 | ricky_clarkson | ma3x: ^^ |
| 10:53.34 | dev52 | ma3x: I beg to differ... I haven't said that in months! |
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| 10:53.48 | deadcat | anybody wants some kung fu fighting? |
| 10:53.52 | Trewas | ma3x: vlc (without wxvlc) from unstable is working fine here |
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| 10:54.17 | ma3x | Trewas, true, but need wxvlc too |
| 10:54.26 | ma3x | dev52, feel free to confess |
| 10:55.09 | deadcat | dev52: you can by funky billy chiu (= |
| 10:55.26 | deadcat | i can be little sammy chung hahahah |
| 10:55.50 | dev52 | cha cha cha chia |
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| 10:56.19 | dev52 | just add water and wala, green hair |
| 10:56.39 | davis | i am tryihng to pin apt to install a version of cvs from stable, but when I install cvs, it says "note selecting cvsnt instead of cvs |
| 10:56.46 | davis | whay is that? |
| 10:57.00 | deadcat | davis: it shouldnt. |
| 10:57.14 | dev52 | cvs for nt?? |
| 10:57.44 | deadcat | a better CVS |
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| 10:57.58 | dev52 | oh, thqt's arch :) |
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| 10:59.30 | davis | http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=9984 |
| 10:59.46 | dev52 | ma3x: so you do have "wait" as one possibility... or you could build, or -gasp- you could actually determine and solve the problem :) |
| 10:59.54 | davis | that shows my preferences file and my apt sources list. |
| 11:02.53 | ricky_clarkson | davis: Wow, people still use that pastebin! |
| 11:03.47 | davis | ricky_clarkson: should I not? I am desperate to learn how to pin cvs to a version which works with my developres eclipse. |
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| 11:09.32 | dev52 | davis: building could be an option for you as well |
| 11:10.32 | dev52 | probably less problematic for you as all you would need to build is cvs itself |
| 11:10.43 | fourat | i have two servers, i would like to get installed on the second server the same packages installed on the first one, how can i do that ? |
| 11:10.47 | dev52 | the other guy needed a buncha libs and stuff |
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| 11:11.31 | petemc | fourat: man dpkg, look for "selections" , get and set |
| 11:11.33 | liable | fourat: /msg dpkg selections |
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| 11:12.20 | dev52 | is there any way to export debconf database? |
| 11:12.22 | fourat | thx |
| 11:12.58 | dev52 | and then import on another box, and possibly edit? |
| 11:13.08 | yaarg | debconf-get-selections? |
| 11:13.27 | yaarg | and the corresponding debconf-set-selections |
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| 11:14.24 | halibut | I am trying to search for all files whose filename begins with "." I have tried ls -Ra | grep ^. but this just returns all files, what's the best way to do this? |
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| 11:14.54 | dev52 | halibut: to grep, . means any char |
| 11:15.11 | halibut | dev52, I tried ^\. too |
| 11:15.18 | dev52 | you would need to cancel that special meaning |
| 11:15.37 | dev52 | try '^\.' |
| 11:16.00 | dev52 | (that is, you need to get grep to see the \) |
| 11:16.25 | dev52 | you could also try ^\\. |
| 11:16.26 | nkuttler | halibut: use find |
| 11:16.38 | nkuttler | halibut: find . -name "\.*" |
| 11:17.13 | halibut | nkuttler, thanks |
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| 11:20.19 | dev52 | back to me :) |
| 11:21.24 | dev52 | is there a debian installation technique that installs enough to get a browser, an email client and some sort of catch-all connection widget? |
| 11:21.27 | Arafangion | dev52: Hi sweety. |
| 11:21.38 | halibut | nkuttler, what is the \ for inside the "" ? |
| 11:21.53 | Arafangion | dev52: You mean, install debian, as little as possible, then just install lynx? |
| 11:22.39 | dev52 | Arafangion: well, I was hoping to get mozilla and some fairly good mail client |
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| 11:23.21 | Arafangion | dev52: Check out puppylinux. |
| 11:23.26 | nkuttler | halibut: man bash, search for escape |
| 11:23.46 | dev52 | is that a debianalike? |
| 11:24.21 | halibut | nkuttler, but it works without the \ also |
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| 11:26.36 | dev52 | Arafangion: btw, what's with the "hi sweety" comment? |
| 11:26.39 | dev52 | other than that, thanks for the suggestion |
| 11:27.05 | Arafangion | dev52: I misread the "back to me" as "talk to me", sorry, I'm tired. |
| 11:27.17 | nkuttler | halibut: ah, right. ? is finds wildcard iirc |
| 11:27.19 | dev52 | oh, np :) |
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| 11:27.54 | dev52 | nkuttler: and a wildcard for filename globs |
| 11:28.18 | dev52 | that other stuff is regular expressions |
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| 11:28.45 | nkuttler | i guess i don't use find much |
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| 11:29.02 | dev52 | find is deep |
| 11:29.41 | GoAuLd | java sucks |
| 11:29.47 | petemc | .. |
| 11:29.52 | dev52 | javadavadoo! |
| 11:30.04 | Arafangion | GoAuLd: Got a reason for that comment? |
| 11:30.12 | petemc | shit stirring |
| 11:30.45 | GoAuLd | programming language imposed by BIG corporations, Slow as turtle |
| 11:30.58 | Arafangion | GoAuLd: It's quite fast. |
| 11:31.13 | GoAuLd | i need a 5 Ghz comp to make a java working as fast as any app running in a 386 |
| 11:31.22 | Arafangion | GoAuLd: Admittably, it has poor load performance, but once loaded, it's extremely fast. |
| 11:31.31 | GoAuLd | fast? |
| 11:31.51 | Arafangion | GoAuLd: Java used to be slow. |
| 11:31.55 | petemc | GoAuLd: cant you go start arguments somewhere else? |
| 11:31.57 | GoAuLd | are you kidding |
| 11:32.01 | petemc | somewhere they're on topic |
| 11:32.07 | Arafangion | GoAuLd: Then it used to be just the Gui library that they used that was slow. |
| 11:32.14 | Arafangion | GoAuLd: But now the whole thing is pretty dang good. |
| 11:32.16 | dev52 | yeah, go try that on #java :) |
| 11:32.44 | GoAuLd | i have 2 java (currency EUR/USD charts) |
| 11:32.50 | GoAuLd | eating 40% of cpu |
| 11:33.08 | GoAuLd | the counterpart of the java program is an EXE eating only 3% |
| 11:33.13 | GoAuLd | doung both the same things |
| 11:33.14 | petemc | fascinating |
| 11:33.23 | Daedalus_ | Not suprising |
| 11:33.54 | GoAuLd | then, who say its fast? |
| 11:34.35 | Arafangion | GoAuLd: My Python program _appears_ to be faster than most Java programs, but that's because python runs faster, and the libraries it uses are more optimized. |
| 11:34.45 | GoAuLd | but, hey who cares! its easy to learn and portable... the problem are slow computers, lets make faster computers and sell it |
| 11:34.49 | Arafangion | GoAuLd: But Java itself is fast, though some of it's libraries and code might not be. |
| 11:35.03 | Daedalus_ | Arafangion: Uh... comparing to python is ++ bad |
| 11:35.07 | Arafangion | Python loads faster, that is. |
| 11:35.27 | GoAuLd | phyton, another High level language devouring CPU |
| 11:35.41 | Daedalus_ | Arafangion: unless you're converting to c (pyrex, etc), it's waaaaay slow |
| 11:35.55 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 11:35.56 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:36.25 | Daedalus_ | Arafangion: I wrote a simple double for loop to compute something.... took over 2 hours to run. In C, it took a little under 5 seconds. Same computer. |
| 11:36.28 | GoAuLd | the thing is we are expending money wi faster and faster computers without needing |
| 11:36.39 | Arafangion | Daedalus_: Which will be undeniably faster: (python) print "Hello", or (java) System.Out.Println("Hello"); |
| 11:37.02 | Arafangion | Daedalus_: So in that sense, Python is faster, but once Java is loaded, it's fast. |
| 11:37.03 | Daedalus_ | Arafangion: don't know. Don't care. |
| 11:37.22 | Daedalus_ | Arafangion: Maybe you missed my point |
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| 11:37.52 | Arafangion | Daedalus_: Maybe you missed mine. |
| 11:37.54 | Daedalus_ | My point is that you say python is fast, compared to java. I say python is slow as molasses compared to C. Any questions? |
| 11:38.12 | Daedalus_ | So where does that put Java in relation to C, etc? |
| 11:38.22 | Arafangion | Daedalus_: The discussion at hand is that Java is uselessly slow. |
| 11:38.45 | Arafangion | Daedalus_: I'm saying that once loaded, for all practical purposes, it's pretty fast. |
| 11:38.54 | Daedalus_ | And given your comparison of java and python, I would have to join the critics. |
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| 11:39.26 | GoAuLd | Arafangion, thats a lie, once loaded is slow as hell |
| 11:39.27 | Sadus | hello folks, i got some 3.2 GB isos on my apache2 machine, but i can't seem them on index files, why is that? |
| 11:39.31 | GoAuLd | i have proof |
| 11:39.37 | nkuttler | jesus... |
| 11:39.41 | Daedalus_ | woot. Debian question |
| 11:39.42 | tarzeau | Sadus: the size is wrong? |
| 11:39.44 | Arafangion | I've had enough of this. |
| 11:39.50 | GoAuLd | compared to C java is 2000% slower |
| 11:40.08 | Sadus | tarzeau, no, i can't even see the file in index listing pages of Apache |
| 11:40.09 | Arafangion | GoAuLd: Probably, but damn, well crafted C is unbelievably fast. |
| 11:40.11 | dev52 | GoAuLd: depends on the app |
| 11:40.26 | Sadus | tarzeau, i see all normal files except the 3.2 GB isos |
| 11:40.27 | tarzeau | Sadus: really don't even try, it won't probably work |
| 11:40.32 | ricky_clarkson | Depends on the programmers. |
| 11:40.34 | tarzeau | Sadus: ah yes that's normal, here: |
| 11:40.39 | Arafangion | ricky_clarkson++ |
| 11:40.47 | tarzeau | Sadus: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 11:40.57 | dev52 | ricky_clarkson: that too |
| 11:41.01 | tarzeau | Sadus: don't use apache |
| 11:41.07 | Sadus | tarzeau, how come mirrors.kernel.org and other mirror can show them? |
| 11:41.07 | addggg | how can I tell which partition my debian inst is running on? |
| 11:41.08 | tarzeau | Sadus: for files > 2 gb (or 4) |
| 11:41.10 | dev52 | use aolserver :) |
| 11:41.18 | tarzeau | Sadus: they don't use a broken apache shipped by debian |
| 11:41.26 | Sadus | tarzeau, thttpd ? |
| 11:41.31 | tarzeau | Sadus: i don't know, i don't care |
| 11:41.38 | tarzeau | Sadus: but mind reading the url i gave you? |
| 11:41.55 | tarzeau | Sadus: it has information about the problem and a link to debian lists |
| 11:41.59 | Sadus | tarzeau, any date on when Debian gonna patch their servers to fix that issue? |
| 11:42.12 | tarzeau | Sadus: any date you will read the link i gave you? |
| 11:42.15 | Sadus | *their apache i mean |
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| 11:42.59 | dev52 | adgg: because you installed it?! |
| 11:43.11 | Sadus | tarzeau, opening |
| 11:43.11 | Sadus | thanks dude1 |
| 11:43.22 | exhale | zomg |
| 11:43.26 | tarzeau | !dude |
| 11:43.37 | tarzeau | dpkg dude |
| 11:43.41 | dev52 | !dood |
| 11:43.41 | dpkg | well, dood is a typo for d00d, or dutch for dead |
| 11:43.44 | adgg | deb52: yes, it's a stupid question, but the partition sizes are identical... so I don't know which one has which.... |
| 11:43.50 | tarzeau | apt dude |
| 11:44.09 | dev52 | adgg: you could mount each |
| 11:44.10 | dev52 | or, |
| 11:44.21 | dev52 | if you're runnign now, you could run mount |
| 11:44.22 | adgg | or dode |
| 11:44.31 | adgg | what is mount? |
| 11:44.35 | adgg | I'm in debian now |
| 11:45.23 | dev52 | if you type man mount, there is a description of what mount does and what info it takes... I'm suggesting to run it with no params |
| 11:45.25 | dev52 | or df |
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| 11:46.02 | dev52 | in that form, mount just prints info and does nothing else |
| 11:46.18 | adgg | I did df, and found the approx partition size, but it's the same size as the other partition, so that tells me nothing |
| 11:46.34 | dev52 | what is the -name- of the partition? :) |
| 11:47.32 | dev52 | you can also look at the file /etc/fstab |
| 11:47.48 | adgg | should I see names when command mount or df? I don't see names |
| 11:49.05 | adgg | inside /etc/fstab I see: proc, /dev/hda5, /dev/hda4 and /dev/hdb/ |
| 11:49.22 | dev52 | which one is mounted on / ? |
| 11:49.26 | adgg | are these the partition names? |
| 11:49.39 | dev52 | yes, well, the hd volume names |
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| 11:50.09 | dev52 | hdb is a "whole disk" rather than partitioned |
| 11:50.28 | adgg | well, the /dev/hda5 has the mount point / |
| 11:50.38 | dev52 | whereas hdb2 hdb3 hdb4 are partitions of hdb drive |
| 11:50.57 | adgg | hda4 is the swap file |
| 11:51.34 | dev52 | you can have a swap file... but what you do have is hda4 as a swap partiition |
| 11:51.42 | dev52 | it's faster than a swap file |
| 11:51.45 | adgg | where can I get the volume sizes that go with each partition |
| 11:51.59 | adgg | dev52, that's what I meant (doh) swap partition |
| 11:52.20 | adgg | thanks for talking me through this |
| 11:52.25 | dev52 | np |
| 11:52.42 | dev52 | let's see, you could try df / |
| 11:52.55 | dev52 | that will run df on just / |
| 11:53.33 | adgg | okay, that's cool, I know now which partition debian is running on and how big it is |
| 11:53.43 | adgg | can I df all of the other partitions? |
| 11:53.56 | dev52 | sure, just df |
| 11:54.09 | dev52 | it will tell you about the -mounted- partitions |
| 11:54.12 | drdeo | I want SATA to work with my kernel, I need to know which modules to load. I hava a "standard" kernel that works with SATA, how do I know what exact modules it uses for this? |
| 11:54.29 | dev52 | there are different sata chipsets |
| 11:54.46 | dev52 | for each, there would either be a driver or not |
| 11:55.12 | dev52 | unfortunately sata uses the scsi subsystem |
| 11:55.18 | drdeo | ok how do I know what chipset I have |
| 11:55.27 | adgg | can I get same info on the other unmounted partitions? |
| 11:55.32 | dev52 | I dunno... |
| 11:55.37 | dev52 | is your card in the machine? |
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| 11:55.47 | drdeo | yes its part of the mainboard |
| 11:56.01 | dev52 | ok, you could try lspck |
| 11:56.03 | dev52 | err |
| 11:56.05 | dev52 | lspci |
| 11:56.22 | dev52 | and look at what it says |
| 11:56.40 | drdeo | i get nVidia Corporation: Unknown device |
| 11:57.07 | liable | update-pciids |
| 11:57.20 | dev52 | ok, you either need a newer kernel, a newer lspci or both |
| 11:57.35 | dev52 | liable: what dat do? |
| 11:58.02 | dev52 | or where does it get the updated IDs? |
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| 11:58.10 | liable | dev52: updates the pci id's |
| 11:58.11 | drdeo | ok i ran update-pciids, i now have: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Serial ATA Controller |
| 11:58.37 | dev52 | drdeo: ok, now you have to find out if and how it's supported |
| 11:58.43 | drdeo | k brb |
| 11:59.31 | adgg | can someone talk me through installing a prog from debian-binary or control.tar.gz or data.tar.gz |
| 11:59.52 | adgg | nothing is happening |
| 12:00.09 | tarzeau | adgg: which program? |
| 12:00.10 | dev52 | adgg: why do you need to pull the package apart? |
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| 12:00.29 | tarzeau | dev52: an i-can-do-better-than-dpkg thinker |
| 12:01.01 | adgg | tarzeau: truecrypt |
| 12:01.24 | adgg | dev52: (scratching my head) was that what I was doing |
| 12:01.41 | adgg | tarzeau: no, just clueless |
| 12:01.43 | dev52 | adgg: did you use ar to pull it apart? |
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| 12:02.00 | adgg | dev52, just DL'ed the baby and clicked on it |
| 12:02.06 | dev52 | ohh |
| 12:02.14 | dev52 | so you saw it in archive form |
| 12:02.14 | tarzeau | adgg: try dpkg -i the.deb |
| 12:02.29 | adgg | okay, checking.... |
| 12:02.43 | liable | the.deb, no such file or directory.. |
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| 12:02.46 | dev52 | you must have a something.deb |
| 12:02.58 | adgg | LOL |
| 12:03.06 | adgg | give me a break, guys |
| 12:03.07 | tarzeau | liable: try * instead of the |
| 12:03.08 | dev52 | or a fweepftweep.deb |
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| 12:03.36 | Triffix | hi |
| 12:04.29 | Triffix | I set up a Linux machine, which is connected via PPP to the Internet, and on another network, to a Windows machine. I want the Windows machine to be able to access the Internet through this network. I'm fiddling around with 'route' for a while and I guess I'm doing something wrong |
| 12:04.43 | Triffix | Could anyone point me to useful documentation, or help me through it? |
| 12:04.46 | adgg | O5D dpkg -i /home/cook/truecrypt_4.2-0_i386.deb |
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| 12:05.02 | adgg | whoops... that's what I just did |
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| 12:05.40 | adgg | No luck though >>>ERROR: Default Linux kernel version 2.6.12-9-386 required for this package. |
| 12:05.51 | adgg | what do I do now? |
| 12:06.04 | adgg | (man debian isn't easy to work with when you're as dumb as I am) |
| 12:06.27 | dev52 | adgg: maybe you have far to go, but you're doing alright |
| 12:06.48 | adgg | dev52, thanks for the encouragement, it's a slow and rough road |
| 12:06.53 | dev52 | a lot of what we've done so far is unix stuff |
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| 12:07.19 | adgg | can you see what I'm doing wrong?? |
| 12:07.24 | dev52 | df, mount, /etc/fstab, that's all unix |
| 12:07.40 | dev52 | well it's saying it wants a different kernel |
| 12:08.01 | drdeo | SATA guy here again, I believe I know now what module to load BUT on my current 2.4 "standard" kernel that module is not in insmod and SATA still works |
| 12:08.03 | AKX | Hey, what would be a nice pipe command to replace newlines with spaces? I tried sed 's/\\n/ /g', but won't work |
| 12:08.04 | adgg | dev52, well, it's probably not going to get a different kernel is it? |
| 12:08.21 | adgg | dev52: considering how much effort went into installing this one... |
| 12:08.22 | dev52 | it can if you install it :) |
| 12:08.55 | dev52 | you could just get the .deb of whatever kernel you want and just install that .deb and reboot |
| 12:09.22 | adgg | hmm, maybe that .deb isn't available? |
| 12:09.25 | dev52 | what version of debian are you presently running |
| 12:09.30 | dev52 | maybe |
| 12:09.42 | dev52 | or maybe you have yet to discover its exact name |
| 12:10.31 | adgg | I did netinst of etch |
| 12:10.50 | adgg | with expert26 parameter |
| 12:10.55 | adgg | so that's the kernel I have |
| 12:11.04 | adgg | went over to truecrypt.org |
| 12:11.04 | dev52 | etch... |
| 12:11.32 | dev52 | hmm, you should be able to get as new as 2.6.15 I guess |
| 12:11.51 | adgg | and didn't see that one, they just have Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu & all other Linux |
| 12:11.56 | adgg | so I DL'd the last |
| 12:12.00 | qball | is there a mirrorselect like program for debian? |
| 12:12.19 | dev52 | so we're the "all other linux" linux :) |
| 12:12.31 | dev52 | apt-spy maybe |
| 12:12.43 | dev52 | apt-setup? |
| 12:12.49 | adgg | dev52: yes, "Other (source code)" |
| 12:12.56 | adgg | and that was the deb I got |
| 12:13.20 | adgg | but maybe one of the others is closer? |
| 12:13.32 | dev52 | ok, now I'm not so in sync with you |
| 12:13.48 | adgg | hmmm |
| 12:13.56 | dev52 | you gor a .deb of the source? |
| 12:13.58 | dev52 | got |
| 12:14.08 | adgg | let me check on what I got |
| 12:14.34 | dev52 | mabye there's a clue in the exact name of the .deb file you got |
| 12:14.37 | adgg | tar.gz containing a .deb or .rpm package |
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| 12:14.53 | blaaaat | how can I see if my server is running Woody or Sarge? |
| 12:15.17 | adgg | look here: |
| 12:15.22 | adgg | http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php |
| 12:15.52 | adgg | file name is /truecrypt_4.2-0_i386.deb |
| 12:15.54 | nkuttler | blaaaat: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:16.15 | blaaaat | adgg, I'm still wondering if it is as good as they say it is. I haven't seen an in-depth review yet |
| 12:16.19 | blaaaat | nkuttler, thanks :) |
| 12:16.41 | adgg | dev52: I don't think you were serious about changing the kernel |
| 12:16.59 | adgg | blaaat: what isn't as good as they say? Debian? |
| 12:17.07 | adgg | you can't mean that |
| 12:17.16 | dev52 | adgg: I was, because the package you tried to install seems to want a newer kernel for some reason |
| 12:17.24 | adgg | I actually heard it was better than they say.... |
| 12:17.44 | dev52 | that could be applied iteratively :) |
| 12:17.45 | adgg | what's the command to update my kernel? |
| 12:17.46 | blaaaat | adgg, Debian is good, no way around that. I meant truecrypt |
| 12:18.18 | adgg | blaaaat: it is working pretty well under XP |
| 12:18.30 | adgg | blaaat: do you have a better alternative? |
| 12:18.49 | blaaaat | 'well' and 'secure/tested/proven-security' is still not the same |
| 12:19.01 | blaaaat | gnupg :) |
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| 12:19.18 | bnovc_ | is there a switch with apt-get that i'm missing to force install a package? |
| 12:19.24 | stoned | I just got spammed for a porn site on freenode!!! |
| 12:19.36 | stoned | wow |
| 12:19.40 | AKX | stoned, "IRC is a free media..." |
| 12:19.46 | blaaaat | stoned, congrats |
| 12:19.47 | petemc | stoned: are you registered? |
| 12:19.52 | stoned | petemc, yes sir |
| 12:19.55 | dev52 | stoned: yay! will that be paypal or credit card? :) |
| 12:20.20 | stoned | petemc, should I report the message, which I still have, to an oper? |
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| 12:20.33 | adgg | blaaaat: how do I get that gnupg installed? |
| 12:20.38 | petemc | stoned: you could, i guess.. |
| 12:20.40 | dev52 | stoned: probably |
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| 12:21.03 | dev52 | adgg: there is a tool that downloads .debs and installs them |
| 12:21.05 | wireddd | adgg why don't you just apt-get a newer kernel and see if it works? |
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| 12:21.30 | stoned | petemc, how does one contact freenode staff? |
| 12:21.42 | Spaniard87 | having trouble writing custom header for spamassassin rule for X-Spam-Flag = YES |
| 12:22.00 | dev52 | you have to yell 3o degrees west by northwest |
| 12:22.00 | Spaniard87 | can't get it right. can anyone assist as to how it is to look? |
| 12:22.07 | petemc | stoned: /who , then grep for staff, i would imagine |
| 12:22.11 | stoned | ok |
| 12:22.19 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.24 | dev52 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.25 | dev52 | ? |
| 12:22.26 | adgg | wireddd: sure, how do I do that??? |
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| 12:22.54 | dev52 | adgg: you want that thing for mail encryption? |
| 12:23.25 | adgg | dev52: no, I want disk encryption, the thing is that truecrypt is extremely easy to use |
| 12:23.40 | adgg | I haven't seen any version of PGP comparable |
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| 12:24.31 | adgg | blaaaat: I would still need to choose a friendly GUI front end |
| 12:25.08 | adgg | Truecrypt isn't such a pain in the ass. Easy to install, etc. |
| 12:25.10 | dev52 | yeah, you might try to install a newer kernel and see if that works... did you use grub, lilo or something else as your boot loader? |
| 12:25.20 | adgg | grub |
| 12:25.31 | adgg | how do I check which kernel I have now? |
| 12:25.51 | dev52 | that's a good thing... grub shows you a list of kernels you installed |
| 12:25.52 | smacnay | Hello, I just updated the Xorg 7.0 files in "testing" and, understandably, have a whole bunch of dangling symlinks with packages like bitmap, atobm, bmtoa, xtrap, xtrapproto, xtrapin, xtrapinfo, xtrapreset, xtrapstats, xtrapchar, XauFileName, Xau.. etc. |
| 12:25.57 | dev52 | when you boot |
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| 12:26.08 | smacnay | Do I need to work on the mandb to remove these calls? |
| 12:26.25 | adgg | and what's the command to inst a new kernel? |
| 12:26.37 | dev52 | you have to first find the one you want |
| 12:26.44 | adgg | which one do I want? |
| 12:26.44 | blondie | apt-get install linux/kernel-image-version |
| 12:26.54 | dev52 | then you should be able to use apt-get it |
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| 12:27.37 | adgg | hmmm, can't I check on my kernel without a reboot? |
| 12:27.37 | bnovc_ | how do i force apt-get to install a package it thinks has broken deps |
| 12:27.40 | blaaaat | adgg, uname -r |
| 12:27.51 | dev52 | yes, you can |
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| 12:28.06 | adgg | 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 12:28.15 | dev52 | you have a later kernel |
| 12:28.18 | adgg | that's my kernel, how my doing? |
| 12:28.23 | bnovc_ | nevermind found it |
| 12:28.29 | bnovc_ | er no i didnt ;( |
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| 12:28.38 | dev52 | dpkg --help |
| 12:28.38 | dpkg | Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
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| 12:29.04 | ktwilight | smacnay, i've the same prob, and haven't find the solution :/ |
| 12:29.11 | dev52 | and it will show you all the tricks it can do |
| 12:29.12 | jharrisonwk | lucky I have my autobuilder program |
| 12:29.31 | dev52 | build me a volvo! |
| 12:29.41 | jharrisonwk | it does not build crappy volvos |
| 12:29.45 | charzero | xorg in etch became modular? |
| 12:29.52 | smacnay | ktwilight: with the move to Xorg and the recent update, I think that some of the old X11 packages are no longer being used but their mandb entries were left in place. |
| 12:29.58 | dev52 | then build me a GOOD volvo! |
| 12:30.04 | jharrisonwk | it downloads the latest kernel source and patches and compiles for me so I do not have to do it all by hand |
| 12:30.11 | widrone | A good old 242 panzerwagon! |
| 12:30.26 | ktwilight | smacnay, any ideas on how to do 'bout it? |
| 12:30.27 | adgg | dpkg -volvo -good |
| 12:30.46 | stoned | petemc, I msg RichiH |
| 12:30.46 | jharrisonwk | silly kids |
| 12:30.58 | smacnay | ktwilight: I am reading the man for mandb right now. |
| 12:31.05 | charzero | widrone: no, get a p1800 |
| 12:31.08 | ktwilight | smacnay, i went for quite an extension search on it even the mandb, man-db and the configuration files, but still i've no idea what to do... :/ |
| 12:31.23 | adgg | dpkg -Maserati -Quattroporte |
| 12:31.30 | ktwilight | !man-db |
| 12:32.16 | bnovc_ | apt-get -f install <package> -- i don't see why that continues to say there are broken deps...the -f should force it, right? |
| 12:32.38 | jharrisonwk | bnovc_: no |
| 12:32.44 | dev52 | -f I think means fix |
| 12:32.54 | stoned | bnovc, don't force things if you don't know what you are doing |
| 12:32.56 | jharrisonwk | bnovc_: -f fixes broken packages |
| 12:32.57 | charzero | What happened to xorg in etch that apt wants to install video drivers for 30 cards that i do not have? |
| 12:32.57 | bnovc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.02 | stoned | bnovc, if you have to ask, don't use force |
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| 12:33.06 | jharrisonwk | bnovc_: man apt-get |
| 12:33.27 | adgg | do how do I downgrade my kernel from 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 12:33.32 | jharrisonwk | adgg: why? |
| 12:33.35 | dev52 | translation: you'llllllllll beeeeeee sorrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee! |
| 12:33.37 | bnovc_ | well, i have the packages installed that it wants, so i don't think its a big deal...its .0.0.1 version off |
| 12:33.43 | stoned | adgg, install a earlier kernel, update-grub |
| 12:33.46 | ktwilight | bnovc_ apt-get doesn't let you do it, only dpkg i think.... |
| 12:33.50 | adgg | down to 2.6.12-9-386 |
| 12:33.56 | bnovc_ | ktwilight, i was thinking that might be the case |
| 12:33.56 | jharrisonwk | adgg: why? |
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| 12:34.05 | bnovc_ | so i have to download the .deb somewhere else and use dpkg? |
| 12:34.05 | stoned | adgg, don't delete you kernel right now, in case you need it again fi the older one decides not to boot |
| 12:34.11 | ktwilight | it's best not to force it anywayz bnovc... :/ |
| 12:34.20 | bnovc_ | well i'm not going to just avoid installing it |
| 12:34.24 | bnovc_ | because apt-get doesnt want me to |
| 12:34.24 | adgg | jharrisonwk, maybe it's a bad idea. I just wanted to install truecrypt |
| 12:34.25 | dev52 | jharrisonwk: it's the one a package needs |
| 12:34.39 | ktwilight | bnovc, are you using sarge? |
| 12:34.52 | bnovc_ | ktwilight, no |
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| 12:35.15 | ktwilight | etch/sid? |
| 12:35.20 | adgg | am I going to have this problem with a lot of software? What's the right kernel? |
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| 12:35.33 | jharrisonwk | adgg: truecrypt cannot work with latest kernels? |
| 12:35.41 | ktwilight | am just wondering, why not just upgrade to sid and pin it down? |
| 12:36.04 | bnovc_ | ktwilight, i'm using unstable |
| 12:36.18 | adgg | jharrisonwk: maybe I'm doing something wrong. I see you can choose between Ubuntu, Suse & OpenSuse, Fedore & then "other" |
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| 12:36.33 | ktwilight | just weird... :/ no idea then |
| 12:36.35 | adgg | I just tried "other" should I try one of the others first? |
| 12:37.09 | realist | Anyone here running an encrypted filesystem? |
| 12:37.34 | jharrisonwk | adgg: I dont knwo I never used truecrypt but I cannot see why it would not work with newer kernels |
| 12:37.37 | widrone | !anyone |
| 12:37.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:38.21 | adgg | jharrisonwk: great, I was wondering, then which one would you try between the ones I named? |
| 12:38.28 | adgg | which ones are most similar to Debian? |
| 12:38.48 | tarzeau | dpkg forget bouncy |
| 12:38.49 | dpkg | i forgot bouncy, tarzeau |
| 12:39.06 | jharrisonwk | adgg: for kernels? |
| 12:39.11 | tarzeau | dpkg bouncy is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 12:39.12 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 12:39.13 | adgg | Ubuntu, SuSE, OpenSuse, Fedora |
| 12:39.26 | jharrisonwk | adgg: for truecrypt packages? |
| 12:39.34 | adgg | jharrison: yes, truecrypt packages |
| 12:39.51 | jharrisonwk | adgg: I would use other (source code) |
| 12:39.51 | adgg | jharrison: and other SW packages in general in case I run into this more often |
| 12:40.15 | adgg | jharrisonwk: haha, that's what I did, and it's asking for an older kernel |
| 12:40.15 | tarzeau | dpkg whit is also or white |
| 12:40.16 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 12:40.19 | dev52 | why is that package's depends so specific about the kernel version? |
| 12:40.38 | dev52 | !depends truecrypt etch |
| 12:40.43 | tarzeau | dpkg forget gnome2 release |
| 12:40.43 | dpkg | tarzeau: i forgot gnome2 release |
| 12:40.46 | adgg | dev52: good question, maybe it's possible to override somehow |
| 12:40.49 | jharrisonwk | adgg: well thats silly |
| 12:41.08 | adgg | jharrison: what's silly (yeah wtf do I know) |
| 12:41.14 | adgg | ?? |
| 12:41.22 | dev52 | ohh, so truecrypt isn't maintained by a debian maintainer and is not in the debian archive |
| 12:41.23 | jharrisonwk | adgg: its silly that truecrypt should need an older kernel |
| 12:41.30 | jharrisonwk | dev52: right |
| 12:41.34 | dev52 | well at least the latter |
| 12:41.54 | jharrisonwk | dev52: and no matter how much you want ubuntu to be debian its not the same thing so I would not use ubuntu packages in debian |
| 12:42.02 | iKernel | hmm more people are on now |
| 12:42.22 | adgg | maybe this will shed some light: |
| 12:42.25 | adgg | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.37 | stoned | jharrisonwk, you did not hear it from me, but with proper work, you can install binary packages from any debian based distro without much problem |
| 12:42.56 | jharrisonwk | stoned: yes but thats no the point |
| 12:42.58 | adgg | stoned: okay, so what is "proper work" |
| 12:43.00 | jharrisonwk | s/no/not |
| 12:43.04 | stoned | adgg, not gonna say it |
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| 12:43.19 | adgg | stoned: oh, pleeeez |
| 12:43.28 | dev52 | this is a ubuntu package? |
| 12:43.50 | adgg | stoned: will pay you double.... |
| 12:43.50 | jharrisonwk | adgg: you could package truecrypt for debian |
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| 12:44.10 | jharrisonwk | adgg: if it is free software that is |
| 12:44.10 | iKernel | adgg, Even better, you can build some installer yourself (depending on distro), contact flightgear saying "Hey, I have some binaries built for X distribition" |
| 12:44.10 | adgg | jharrisonwk: would love to be so good, but HOW? |
| 12:44.17 | guerra | i have a problem: i isntalled debian and i use utf8-pt-br, but when i open some files there is a question mark where it should be a ç or á....any idea of what should i do? |
| 12:44.26 | dev52 | instead of 0 he gets 00??! |
| 12:44.27 | jharrisonwk | adgg: read debian developer manuals |
| 12:44.28 | adgg | jharrisonwk: I do believe it's free |
| 12:44.32 | widrone | !br |
| 12:44.32 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 12:44.39 | adgg | dev52: shhh! |
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| 12:44.54 | stoned | adgg, extract the ubuntu package not using dpkg. if you have to ask, don't ask. Then place the resulting neccessery libs/bins in /usr/local so that they are in your path. then thats it |
| 12:45.17 | stoned | adgg, otherwise you're gonna get me smacked by some debian dev |
| 12:45.49 | tarzeau | dpkg forget resources |
| 12:45.50 | dpkg | i forgot resources, tarzeau |
| 12:45.54 | jharrisonwk | stoned: how do you know the ubuntu truecrypt package does not need some kernel that is in ubuntu and not in debian? |
| 12:45.58 | adgg | stoned: my lips are sealed |
| 12:46.10 | adgg | jharrisonwk: let's find out... |
| 12:46.21 | jharrisonwk | adgg: hey its your machine |
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| 12:46.40 | stoned | jharrisonwk, I never gauranteed it to work, I merely said you can 'install' the packages |
| 12:46.41 | stoned | :) |
| 12:47.05 | loef | how do i get rid of unmet dependencies |
| 12:47.18 | stoned | loef, first try apt-get -f install |
| 12:47.29 | loef | stoned: i don't want to install that stuff it prompts |
| 12:47.30 | adgg | jharrisonwk: what's the worst that can happen? If I get better advice, I'll do that too. |
| 12:47.35 | stoned | if the depends are broken, don't install the metapackage, but intsall the physical packages |
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| 12:47.49 | iKernel | stoned, r U on drugz??? |
| 12:47.57 | stoned | iKernel, no |
| 12:48.05 | dimir | That's a retorical question! |
| 12:48.14 | iKernel | dimir, no it's not |
| 12:48.22 | iKernel | stoned, Then why is your nick stoned? |
| 12:48.24 | stoned | r, u, drug'z'? |
| 12:48.38 | fontp | is there a way to get better information from rar other than "No files to extract"? |
| 12:48.40 | iKernel | wha? |
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| 12:49.02 | iKernel | fontp, strace |
| 12:49.07 | iKernel | fontp, strace rar |
| 12:49.16 | dimir | r, u, drugz, wha? |
| 12:49.24 | dev52 | adgg: you want to try a manual install? |
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| 12:50.08 | dev52 | (there's no guarantee it will work) |
| 12:50.38 | jharrisonwk | adgg: dont know |
| 12:50.38 | fontp | let me rephrase that as "useful information" |
| 12:50.51 | adgg | dev52: yes, manual install sounds great (I can only learn) |
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| 12:51.00 | stoned | btw, if anyone cares, I am using an ubuntu package under debian sid, from keytouch |
| 12:51.02 | dev52 | adgg: ok... |
| 12:51.05 | stoned | sue me |
| 12:51.07 | stoned | :/ |
| 12:51.21 | dev52 | first make a directory called truecrypt-work |
| 12:51.27 | dev52 | and put the .deb in there |
| 12:51.31 | adgg | if you need free legal advice, stoned, call me |
| 12:51.35 | stoned | lol |
| 12:51.49 | dev52 | are you a terny? |
| 12:51.55 | stoned | I should shup about ubuntu, even though I don't use it, no telling who will get on my ass about it |
| 12:52.02 | stoned | i'll see ya later |
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| 12:52.20 | iKernel | stoned, bye |
| 12:52.30 | adgg | dev52, I'm going to put the original deb there, the one that wanted an earlier version of the kernel |
| 12:52.34 | iKernel | I miss ##linux :( |
| 12:52.35 | adgg | okay? |
| 12:52.40 | stoned | iKernel, then go there |
| 12:52.49 | dev52 | iKernel: it's there |
| 12:52.51 | iKernel | stoned, I can't, I'm banned |
| 12:53.07 | stoned | I am banned in #debian |
| 12:53.15 | dev52 | are not :P |
| 12:53.19 | stoned | well, when I connect from my dads house, hes go aol |
| 12:53.22 | adgg | dev52: done |
| 12:53.26 | adgg | what's the next step? |
| 12:53.48 | stoned | last time aol was on perm ban from here |
| 12:53.52 | adgg | banned from ##linux must really suck |
| 12:53.52 | stoned | half a year ago |
| 12:53.56 | dev52 | as you noticed earlier, a .deb happens to be an archive... it's an "ar" archive |
| 12:54.02 | adgg | okay |
| 12:54.12 | adgg | there are files inside |
| 12:54.17 | dev52 | so cd into that dir and type ar x (hit tab) |
| 12:54.37 | dev52 | then hit enter |
| 12:54.38 | dev52 | and ls |
| 12:55.08 | dev52 | you should see control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz, debian-binary |
| 12:56.11 | adgg | ls |
| 12:56.37 | widrone | !ls |
| 12:56.37 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 12:56.49 | stoned | umm |
| 12:56.52 | stoned | !package basics |
| 12:56.52 | dpkg | i heard package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 12:57.08 | fontp | must be something odd about the debian implementation of rar, then. This is the second time that i've had problems with a debian box extracting rars, but it's worked fine elsewhere. |
| 12:57.24 | sep | fontp, perhaps you need rar-nonfree ? |
| 12:57.30 | adgg | dev52: done |
| 12:57.41 | dev52 | so you see all that? |
| 12:57.51 | iKernel | One day, I am going to ask a windows user to download a server so that we can play a game together, but he'll need to open one of his RTC ports |
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| 12:57.55 | fontp | sep : perhaps, let's give that a whirl! |
| 12:57.57 | adgg | I've unpacked all that biznis |
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| 12:58.14 | sep | !non-free |
| 12:58.14 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 12:58.15 | dev52 | ok, type: tar xfz data.tar.gz |
| 12:58.33 | adgg | what is xfz? |
| 12:58.35 | jharrisonwk | fontp: you probably need the newer package of unrar |
| 12:58.42 | jharrisonwk | fontp: 3.something |
| 12:58.49 | stoned | zxvf |
| 12:58.51 | dev52 | extract herecomesafilename itscompressed |
| 12:59.01 | iKernel | then while true do cat /dev/random > ~/meow.txt; do netcat <~/meow.txt ip.of.windows.user rtcport; done |
| 12:59.03 | stoned | look at it |
| 12:59.05 | fontp | sep : i'd rather just not deal with rars, but that's the way I dl'd this archive... |
| 12:59.16 | adgg | dev52: I think it's done |
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| 12:59.26 | dev52 | now you should see some other things in there |
| 12:59.31 | dev52 | like some dirs |
| 12:59.35 | drcode | hi all |
| 12:59.38 | adgg | I see this: control.tar.gz data.tar.gz debian-binary lib truecrypt_4.2-0_i386.deb usr |
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| 12:59.46 | drcode | hi all |
| 12:59.50 | drcode | in old linux |
| 13:00.02 | drcode | if I Use multi lang , how can I lock the languge more |
| 13:00.05 | drcode | mode |
| 13:00.07 | drcode | like in xkb |
| 13:00.13 | adgg | dev52: buncha funky stuff |
| 13:00.15 | fontp | that did it, sep. thanks. I assumed that all of the unrar implementations were nonfree |
| 13:00.23 | dev52 | ok, the extract produced lib and usr |
| 13:00.26 | drcode | altgr write hebrew but I can't lock it |
| 13:00.33 | dev52 | these are somewhat deep dir trees |
| 13:00.38 | adgg | yep |
| 13:00.41 | jharrisonwk | fontp: non-free cannot be in main |
| 13:00.48 | adgg | so what do I do with these babies |
| 13:00.50 | adgg | ? |
| 13:00.51 | drcode | any idea? |
| 13:01.05 | dev52 | cd lib; ls |
| 13:01.27 | adgg | modules |
| 13:01.31 | dev52 | ugh |
| 13:01.36 | dev52 | cd modules; ls |
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| 13:01.54 | dev52 | this package installs modules from a specific kernel |
| 13:01.54 | fontp | i was not the individual that originally set up that box. I wasn't aware that there was a free and nonfree version of unrar. or at the very least, it would let me know that's what the problem was when tryign to extract an archive. |
| 13:02.01 | adgg | then dir 2.6.12-9-386 |
| 13:02.11 | jharrisonwk | adgg: thats why it wants 2.6.12 kernel |
| 13:02.13 | fontp | but enough about me, thanks again |
| 13:02.14 | adgg | then another dir extra |
| 13:02.25 | jharrisonwk | adgg: well for this ubuntu package anyways |
| 13:02.26 | adgg | then inside that is truecrypt.ko |
| 13:02.31 | jharrisonwk | adgg: the source should not care |
| 13:02.45 | adgg | jharrisonwk: I'm not using the ubuntu package at the moment |
| 13:02.45 | jharrisonwk | adgg: the source should only want kernel headers |
| 13:02.54 | jharrisonwk | adgg: but you are looking at it are you not? |
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| 13:03.11 | adgg | jharrisonwk: we're playing around with the package for "other linux" |
| 13:03.27 | stoned | adgg, whatever it is you are tryign to use, does it not exist in source? Why do you want to use an ubuntu package? Why don't you just compile it from source ? (I have not been following the entire discussion) |
| 13:03.31 | adgg | I guess debian is considered "other linux" by the beloved truecrypt crew |
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| 13:03.53 | dev52 | is there this exact kernel version in debian? |
| 13:03.57 | adgg | stoned: yes that is surely an option, although I don't know hw to do that either |
| 13:04.14 | adgg | dev52: are you asking me? don't understand the question |
| 13:04.16 | haraldhv | how come I can't find xlibs in debian unstable? has someone removed it by accident or something? I can't get opera to compile without it |
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| 13:04.18 | stoned | stoned, usually the sources come with a configure script, ready to generate make files |
| 13:04.27 | stoned | er.. |
| 13:04.32 | stoned | why am I addressing myself |
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| 13:04.40 | stoned | adgg, ^^ |
| 13:04.49 | dev52 | dev52: wubba! |
| 13:04.50 | drcode | any one can help me with two languges on old linux? |
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| 13:05.03 | drcode | I put at boot lang=us,il |
| 13:05.07 | adgg | so help me out what do I do now? |
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| 13:05.22 | dev52 | unfortunately we're stuck right here... |
| 13:05.51 | dev52 | here's what we just found out: this package installs modules intended for a specific kernel version |
| 13:06.02 | adgg | dev52: we're stuck because the directory name is wrong? |
| 13:06.07 | dev52 | no |
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| 13:06.21 | adgg | I also think stoned suggestion makes sense |
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| 13:06.29 | dev52 | we're stuck because unless you have that kernel version, the module is very likely to not work at all |
| 13:06.32 | adgg | although I don't know how to implement it |
| 13:07.24 | dev52 | stoned's addressing himself again... not sure how credible he is right now :) |
| 13:07.26 | stoned | adgg, download the source package, most likely in .tar.gz format. unpack it somewhere with tar zxvf, then cd to the extracted dir, read README or INSTALL or anything of the sort, or check docs/ whatever. |
| 13:07.36 | dev52 | stoned: just kidding :P) |
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| 13:08.05 | adgg | I just now got the source.tar file (this is what they say to do on the web site) |
| 13:08.18 | stoned | adgg, or try to run the configure script, then install any dev packages it prompts you to install, then run it again until it generates make files, then use the make files and compile the program, and make install or manually copy tyhe files |
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| 13:08.38 | dev52 | adgg: do they give you enough to build a debian package? |
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| 13:08.48 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi! |
| 13:08.54 | stoned | hi |
| 13:09.04 | adgg | dev52: I'll bet they do, it looks like everything but the kitchen sink to me |
| 13:09.12 | Aragorn_Guardian | i am having troubles using samba, with wrong codepage and charset config |
| 13:09.12 | adgg | stoned: where is the configure script? |
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| 13:09.30 | bahatpc | hello |
| 13:09.31 | stoned | adgg, read the documentation source comes with. There should also be comile instructions on thier site/forums |
| 13:09.40 | stoned | compile* |
| 13:09.59 | haraldhv | can someone running unstable do a search and see if they have the package 'xlibs' available? |
| 13:10.30 | stoned | haraldhv, what exactly is the problem? |
| 13:10.54 | abrotman | haraldhv: you don't |
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| 13:11.05 | peterS | haraldhv: xlibs is available, though xlibs-dev is not, which broke a lot of stuff temporarily |
| 13:11.16 | abrotman | i thought xlibs was renamed |
| 13:11.20 | stoned | xlibs-data |
| 13:11.29 | DerJamster | there's xlibs-static-dev |
| 13:11.32 | abrotman | we need a map .. |
| 13:11.38 | haraldhv | stoned: the problem is I can't find xlibs at all, and opera depends on it |
| 13:11.51 | stoned | opera is nasty anyway |
| 13:11.52 | stoned | :) |
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| 13:11.56 | DerJamster | haraldhv: weird. I can find it, normal repositories |
| 13:11.57 | abrotman | "Stuff gravity is going to break today, what it used to be called, and/or things that will never be the same ever again" |
| 13:12.10 | DerJamster | haraldhv: and I have opera installed. |
| 13:12.11 | haraldhv | deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 13:12.22 | DerJamster | well, sounds good. |
| 13:12.23 | abrotman | haraldhv: eh ... thier package needs to be fixed |
| 13:13.00 | haraldhv | DerJamster: I have it installed on my laptop as well, with xlibs and working fine |
| 13:13.10 | DerJamster | haraldhv: try another repository for a moment. |
| 13:13.20 | DerJamster | see if there is an ftp2.no.debian.org |
| 13:13.22 | haraldhv | I just formatted the computer I'm on today and find it weird that there is no xlibs |
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| 13:14.07 | adgg | instructions tell me to cd Linux, but it can't find that directory |
| 13:14.11 | adgg | ?? |
| 13:14.29 | DerJamster | haraldhv: xlibs shouldn't be missing. If, there's something screwy with the repo |
| 13:14.35 | haraldhv | DerJamster: there isn't one. but ok, I'll try a german one maybe |
| 13:14.45 | DerJamster | yeah. I'm using ftp.de.debian.org myself. |
| 13:14.47 | stoned | adgg, don't blindly follow the instructions man, use your head, switch to the dir where it was extracted to |
| 13:14.51 | stoned | jeez |
| 13:14.51 | widrone | DerJamster: ftp2.no.debian.org does not exist (Authoritative answer) |
| 13:15.10 | peterS | right, xlibs did disappear. I thought it was still around, for sarge upgrades, but the reason I see it on my system is that it hasn't been garbage-collected from experimental yet |
| 13:15.23 | haraldhv | that's a little scary |
| 13:15.40 | abrotman | peterS: see .. i'm not crazy! |
| 13:15.52 | DerJamster | hrm..so why do I still have it in the apt-cache, and installed? |
| 13:15.53 | peterS | perhaps |
| 13:15.56 | adgg | stoned, thanks |
| 13:16.06 | DerJamster | Just did an update again. |
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| 13:16.08 | peterS | DerJamster: you can remove it. apt-cache notices that you have it installed. |
| 13:16.19 | stoned | adgg, you're welcome |
| 13:16.19 | DerJamster | ahh. nah, I'll keep it for now ;P |
| 13:16.34 | peterS | DerJamster: if nothing depends on it, go ahead and blow it away. just then you can't install opera. (: |
| 13:16.48 | DerJamster | peterS: I have it installed. Reason why I'll keep it ;) |
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| 13:17.07 | DerJamster | haraldhv: Let's see if I can get you a deb. |
| 13:17.16 | haraldhv | DerJamster: wee :) |
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| 13:17.47 | charzero | Is there an explanation somewhere of what happened to xorg in etch in the last week? |
| 13:18.18 | haraldhv | on side-note I just want to express my utter joy moving from gentoo to debian and getting my system up and running in less than an hour |
| 13:18.22 | dev52 | maybe :) |
| 13:18.31 | adgg | stoned: I switched to the directory I unpacked the files to, but still having trouble |
| 13:18.36 | peterS | haraldhv: we're happy that you're happy |
| 13:18.46 | adgg | should I do ./install.sh??? or CD Linux? |
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| 13:19.01 | stoned | adgg, have you never compiled anything from source before? |
| 13:19.34 | ktwilight | charzero, http://wiki.debian.org/Status |
| 13:19.34 | adgg | stoned: this will be the first ;^) |
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| 13:19.38 | peterS | adgg: how should we know what you should do to install some random software we don't have? |
| 13:19.42 | DerJamster | anybody know -when- xlibs got removed? |
| 13:20.01 | stoned | adgg, what software is it? |
| 13:20.06 | peterS | adgg: that's what the install instructions are for. if it's not shipped with Debian, we can't be expected to know anything about it |
| 13:20.14 | haraldhv | DerJamster: are you looking for a snapshot? |
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| 13:20.24 | stoned | peterS, I've told him to read the docs many times |
| 13:20.27 | peterS | DerJamster: part of the transition from xorg 6.9 to xorg 7 |
| 13:21.04 | stoned | adgg, not to sound discouraging, but you should learn the basics of compiling software under a unix env. Use google |
| 13:21.22 | haraldhv | i though the point was to have 6.9 and 7 side by side for some time while people fix package deps? |
| 13:21.43 | peterS | haraldhv: yes, xorg 7 spent some time in experimental. now it's in unstable, and in fact in testing, so the transition is over |
| 13:22.00 | GoAuLd | finally! |
| 13:22.22 | GoAuLd | now i want Xgl |
| 13:22.37 | haraldhv | it's not really usable yet :-/ |
| 13:22.50 | peterS | GoAuLd: keith packard says Xgl is probably a dead end, start wishing for aiglx instead |
| 13:22.51 | widrone | adgg: Go go go! Its great and not too difficult, at least the basic stuff. And it is great fun! |
| 13:22.58 | haraldhv | (speaking subjectively from my experience) |
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| 13:23.25 | GoAuLd | then aiglx, but for love of god it must be quick |
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| 13:23.47 | peterS | GoAuLd: do you actually have reasons you think you want these things, or just that it's new and it uses opengl? |
| 13:24.07 | GoAuLd | just because its new and opengl |
| 13:24.08 | GoAuLd | xD |
| 13:24.09 | NaRaK | u can spin the desktop around as a qube |
| 13:24.12 | NaRaK | :D |
| 13:24.16 | GoAuLd | yeah yeah |
| 13:24.17 | ktwilight | hah |
| 13:24.18 | ktwilight | haha |
| 13:24.18 | GoAuLd | xD |
| 13:24.23 | ktwilight | would be cool... :) |
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| 13:24.29 | peterS | I've actually never had the desire to do that |
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| 13:24.38 | sep | s/afil/fail/ |
| 13:24.41 | NaRaK | not me either, until I saw it |
| 13:24.44 | peterS | my desktop works very well as a 2-D entity |
| 13:24.46 | NaRaK | now I want it badly :p |
| 13:24.51 | haraldhv | meh. just read about aiglx. I think people are too fanatic about the opensource philosophy sometimes |
| 13:24.53 | kimo | Guys, anyone knows of unofficial kernels for sid (with swsusp2 support ...?) I don't wanna compile my own |
| 13:25.11 | peterS | I can see screensavers looking fancier with more 3D effects, but screensavers only operate when I'm not being productive at my computer anyway |
| 13:25.15 | GoAuLd | haraldhv, whats wrong with aiglx? |
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| 13:25.46 | GoAuLd | petes you coud have a nice screensaver working as Wallpaper |
| 13:26.08 | GoAuLd | or a movie |
| 13:26.08 | peterS | GoAuLd: oh, I don't use wallpaper, if you don't count "plain grey" as wallpaper |
| 13:26.12 | ktwilight | eye candy = relaxation = increase creativity = increase productivity? |
| 13:26.38 | GoAuLd | eye candy = relaxation = increase creativity = increase happyness |
| 13:26.44 | GoAuLd | xD |
| 13:26.46 | wireddd | I would like it because I paid for the 3d video card, I might as well use it for something |
| 13:26.49 | haraldhv | GoAuLd: probably nothing wrong with aiglx, I just find it a little tiresome that even though xgl source was released, people wasn't satisfied and started making an alternative. tons of alternatives slow thing down IMO |
| 13:26.52 | peterS | ktwilight: I don't think you meant to use = in those relations, I think you meant something like "could possibly affect" |
| 13:27.03 | jharrisonwk | truecrypt should make better software |
| 13:27.07 | NaRaK | well switch from desktop 1 to 4 with spinning the the desktop as qube = makes u happy = increase productivity because ur more happy |
| 13:27.12 | ktwilight | no one wants to work in a sad environment :/ |
| 13:27.25 | ktwilight | yes peterS, you are right on that account :) |
| 13:27.34 | peterS | haraldhv: you don't agree with the reasons to abandon Xgl, then? |
| 13:27.55 | ktwilight | but more importantly, a good boss is important |
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| 13:28.12 | pipeline | haraldhv, peterS : All of this is kind of moot given that neither Xgl nor AIGLX has passed the "proof of concept" stage. |
| 13:28.13 | peterS | ktwilight: why, because the good boss will let you buy a faster graphics card? |
| 13:28.20 | DerJamster | haraldhv: okay, it's not in the snapshots either. try making a virtual xlibs package yourself |
| 13:28.25 | DerJamster | it's easy. |
| 13:28.25 | ktwilight | well...i didn't mean that :/ |
| 13:28.30 | abrotman | haraldhv: at this early stage .. i'd say more than one implementation is "A Very Good Thing" |
| 13:28.32 | haraldhv | peterS: I don't really know enough about it to have any arguments :) |
| 13:28.35 | ktwilight | i meant a good boss as in his/her attitude and behavoiur ;) |
| 13:28.36 | pipeline | haraldhv, peterS : I find Xgl innately appealing because I can use the stupidly overpowered GL hardware in every PC to do mundane things like paint fonts :P |
| 13:28.45 | abrotman | (no "tm" required .. you can use it gratis!" |
| 13:28.53 | haraldhv | pipeline: agreed, absolutely a good thing |
| 13:29.09 | peterS | pipeline: Keith made some compelling arguments against it, citing ways that OpenGL is not very well suited to rendering 2D X contents |
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| 13:29.18 | haraldhv | DerJamster: is there a guide to this, or is it so simple that you can throw me a oneliner? |
| 13:29.26 | DerJamster | haraldhv: one sec.. |
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| 13:30.03 | pipeline | peterS: It's not. And that's pretty much irrelevant -- it still does /as good/ a job as dealing with long-deprecated 2d acceleration features on cards :P |
| 13:30.28 | peterS | pipeline: his best point was that the X protocol specifies exact pixel values, and OpenGL does not. OpenGL gives the implementation freedom to fudge things, so it's difficult to make it render pixels with exact values as is required of an X server |
| 13:30.29 | haraldhv | peterS: do you have a source to this saying? |
| 13:30.35 | haraldhv | ie. an url |
| 13:30.48 | peterS | haraldhv: no, this was in person at Debconf 6 last month |
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| 13:31.04 | DerJamster | haraldhv: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-helpers.en.html |
| 13:31.31 | haraldhv | peterS: oh, actually I believe I read about what you just said, and I agree, it makes sense to have an xorg server built with opengl in mind from the beginning |
| 13:31.40 | peterS | haraldhv: eventually Holger and Ben will finish the video processing and you can download the video of Keith's first X talk (he gave two, this stuff was in the first one) |
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| 13:31.56 | haraldhv | DerJamster: thanks, reading now |
| 13:32.11 | haraldhv | (in opera because of a little hackis --force-depends ;)) |
| 13:32.58 | widrone | !beer DerJamster |
| 13:33.06 | DerJamster | o// |
| 13:33.32 | widrone | DerJamster: Thats a nice bit of info to go with my breakfeast, thanks. |
| 13:33.38 | DerJamster | widrone: No prob :> |
| 13:34.07 | peterS | haraldhv: but the point is, Xgl tries to run the entire world of X on top of OpenGL. no matter how you do it you run into the cognitive dissonance between the X protocol and OpenGL. AIGLX takes a completely different approach which, while creating a lot more work for driver authors, avoids this fundamental problem |
| 13:35.09 | pipeline | peterS: Yes, that's just the point: Do everything on top of OpenGL. You know how much that simplifies driver development? :P |
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| 13:35.24 | pipeline | peterS: The X source tree is littered with the last three or four frameworks for X drivers and 2d acceleration. It's horrible ;_; |
| 13:35.25 | DerJamster | haraldhv: basically 'equiv-build xlibs', then edit that file. Give the 'Package:' line a name give it a 'Version:', and then run 'equivs-build xlibs' |
| 13:35.46 | pipeline | peterS: AIGLX fixes a few here and now problems |
| 13:35.55 | DerJamster | Might be that you need to also uncomment the 'Provides:' line..not sure. |
| 13:36.00 | peterS | pipeline: I don't think it necessarily does simplify driver development. because now drivers are forced to contend with providing a backend for mesa |
| 13:36.40 | peterS | pipeline: I daresay being a backend for XAA is simpler than being a backend for mesa, but shrug, what do I know |
| 13:36.58 | iKernel | I'd like a desktop that is not totally 3D but has 3D menus and such and uses open gl to make things more faster. |
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| 13:37.37 | iKernel | Even without 3D stuff, hardware accellerated desktop environments would be great - they'd be heaps fast |
| 13:37.43 | pipeline | peterS: in five years, will XAA even be in use, or will it be yet another type of driver that's worthless? |
| 13:37.58 | ktwilight | i 2nd that iKernel |
| 13:38.02 | pipeline | peterS: OpenGL has been around for 15 years; it'll very likely be around for another 15. I want my fast fonts today. :P |
| 13:38.06 | ktwilight | though i dunno enough to know whether that "works" haha |
| 13:38.19 | peterS | iKernel: you don't seriously believe modern X drivers are unaccellerated, do you? 2D accelleration in X drivers is like 12 years old |
| 13:38.52 | iKernel | peterS, I don't beleive that desktop environments are hardware accellerated. |
| 13:39.12 | ma3x | I submitted a bug report 5-6 hours ago, but it's still not in the bts. Why? |
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| 13:39.20 | peterS | iKernel: you should try running X with the vesa driver, to get an idea what 2D rendering _without_ accelleration looks like |
| 13:39.38 | streuner | ma3x: have some patient :-) |
| 13:39.41 | iKernel | peterS, I already know. It looks like shit. |
| 13:39.49 | iKernel | nv driver is worse |
| 13:40.00 | ma3x | streuner, somebody told me it would just take half an hour |
| 13:40.01 | pipeline | iKernel: ehh? hell no it's not. |
| 13:40.03 | haraldhv | DerJamster: yay, that worked! thanks for the help, and a nice lesson for the future in breaking apt ;) |
| 13:40.07 | pipeline | iKernel: the nv driver accelerates tons of 2d opeprations |
| 13:40.17 | peterS | fortunately I don't use the nv driver, so I don't have any way of knowing that it's worse than the vesa driver |
| 13:40.30 | DerJamster | haraldhv: My pleasure :> |
| 13:40.30 | streuner | ma3x: well, my last bugreport took more than 5 hours. |
| 13:40.38 | iKernel | pipeline, Trust me. On this box, using the nv driver makes xfce look like shit. |
| 13:40.41 | pipeline | peterS: It's not. The nv driver does a few things badly, but for the most part is very nice :P |
| 13:40.47 | pipeline | iKernel: You're full of it. >:( |
| 13:41.11 | widrone | I think I run vesa on this 82855PM agp thingy, do I care? Should I? |
| 13:41.14 | iKernel | pipeline, Fine then, I'll post a screen shot. Brb. |
| 13:41.38 | peterS | pipeline: I think we need a new rule, only people who know what the word 'bitblt' means can talk about X acceleration issues |
| 13:41.53 | DerJamster | bitblitting? |
| 13:42.04 | peterS | DerJamster: yes, with or without that second i |
| 13:42.11 | overclocker | hi, i have a cisco router with 4 vlans, i configure it, i could ping the router, but when i want to go throw the router i couldn't, i set the gateway to be in a vlan, ideas? |
| 13:42.13 | peterS | (it's spelled both ways) |
| 13:42.21 | Aragorn_Guardian | i wanna know if, testing charsets in smb.conf could damage files, in the mount points. |
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| 13:42.59 | peterS | Aragorn_Guardian: filenames will look different to your windows clients, and newly created files created on the windows clients may have funny names on the server. but that'll be the only effect. |
| 13:43.01 | ma3x | streuner, is it getting reviewed first or why it takes so long? |
| 13:43.03 | widrone | Aragorn_Guardian: Sounds like a job for #samba (man)! |
| 13:43.41 | peterS | ma3x: bugs.debian.org has periodic problems, perhaps it's having one now |
| 13:44.19 | pipeline | widrone: Well, the VESA driver means that things like video or web browsing will be uh, unpleasant. |
| 13:44.39 | pipeline | widrone: 82855 -- is that an intel chipset? if so, specify an amount of VideoRam to use in the configuration file and use the "i810" driver. |
| 13:46.15 | Aragorn_Guardian | nice...thanks... |
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| 13:46.34 | Aragorn_Guardian | widrone: sure...thanks |
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| 13:47.00 | Sir_J | hi guys |
| 13:47.18 | Sir_J | how can I bind key Ctrl+f to detach for screen ? |
| 13:47.27 | overclocker | hi, i have a debian box connected to a cisco router with 4 vlans, i configure it, i could ping the router, but when i want to go throw the router i couldn't, i set the gateway to be in a vlan, ideas? |
| 13:47.31 | Sir_J | I've read manual but it still not clear |
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| 13:48.02 | gnujsa | hello |
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| 13:48.18 | peterS | Sir_J: in ~/.screenrc, 'bind ^F detach' |
| 13:48.25 | peterS | Sir_J: then ^A^F will do what ^A^D does now |
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| 13:48.35 | dhuv | hello all |
| 13:48.41 | Sir_J | peterS, but I don't want to peress ^A |
| 13:48.51 | Sir_J | how I use exactly ^F ? |
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| 13:49.08 | peterS | Sir_J: then I don't think you can do it at all. and would you really want to just use a single keypress like ^F? then you couldn't use ^F in other programs like irssi and emacs |
| 13:49.09 | dhuv | I was wondering if getting a mb with via epia c3 cpu would be good to run with debian |
| 13:49.20 | dhuv | does anybody have any good/bad experience with it? |
| 13:49.27 | peterS | Sir_J: I think you have to use two keystrokes, one for the 'command key' and the second to issue the command itself. the command key is ^A by default. |
| 13:49.39 | formorer | dhuv: they are working as expected |
| 13:49.45 | Sir_J | can I redefind default command ? |
| 13:50.02 | Sir_J | e. g. ^A --> ^F ? |
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| 13:50.05 | dhuv | formorer: thats what I see from google searches |
| 13:50.15 | Sir_J | and ress ^F^F for detaching ? |
| 13:50.18 | Sir_J | press |
| 13:50.32 | formorer | dhuv: my asterisk server is a VIA C3 600 |
| 13:50.39 | dhuv | formorer: I can use the normal i386 arch? |
| 13:50.41 | iKernel | bah, it looks fine on the screen shot, perhaps it's just my moniter, good night, i am tired and i have school tormorrow |
| 13:50.55 | formorer | dhuv: sure |
| 13:51.00 | dhuv | formorer: yes I have heard of asterisk on that |
| 13:51.32 | NaRaK | whats the absolut minimum hardware needed for make debian run as a firewall and firewall only on a 50mbit line |
| 13:51.54 | dimir | x286! |
| 13:52.00 | beefcake | yeah hehe |
| 13:52.07 | beefcake | you can go as low as you want |
| 13:52.15 | dimir | ye. |
| 13:52.19 | dhuv | formorer: not to familiar with asterisk but its used to do voip right? |
| 13:52.21 | dimir | Calculator! |
| 13:52.23 | NaRaK | dont want the firewall to slow down traffic either, thus I ask ;) |
| 13:52.31 | beefcake | it wont |
| 13:52.32 | qball | I don't think 286 will work |
| 13:52.42 | beefcake | 286 maybe not |
| 13:52.42 | sohmestra | NaRaK: 486 or Pentium would be a good bet. |
| 13:52.47 | qball | you need i386 |
| 13:52.48 | beefcake | but a 486 definitely |
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| 13:52.53 | stoned | To the debian devs, if any are about, are you guys still looking for an urdu translator for the debian installer? |
| 13:52.57 | skipmeister | is anybody running hddtemp on a SATA drive? |
| 13:53.10 | peterS | Sir_J: I don't know offhand how to rebind the command key in screen, since I don't do that. look it up. |
| 13:53.12 | tarzeau | stoned: try #debian-boot or #debian-devel |
| 13:53.19 | tarzeau | skipmeister: yes, it works |
| 13:53.25 | tarzeau | skipmeister: tried acpi -Bt ? |
| 13:53.30 | Sir_J | peterS, I've red manual |
| 13:53.38 | Sir_J | but won't be able to understand |
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| 13:53.42 | stoned | tarzeau, thanks |
| 13:53.43 | tarzeau | Sir_J: read, read, read |
| 13:53.49 | tarzeau | Sir_J: red is the color of tomato |
| 13:53.55 | Sir_J | tarzeau, could you give me small example ? |
| 13:54.05 | skipmeister | tarzeau, I can get hddtemp working from the console, but it shows up as "sds UN" in gkrellm |
| 13:54.15 | skipmeister | sorry, sda |
| 13:54.33 | tarzeau | Sir_J: i read a book yesterday. i read a book today. |
| 13:54.44 | Sir_J | no |
| 13:54.45 | tarzeau | Sir_J: the tomato is red. |
| 13:54.50 | Sir_J | not english classes |
| 13:54.52 | Sir_J | :) |
| 13:54.57 | tarzeau | Sir_J: then don't mix up red and read |
| 13:55.01 | Sir_J | but example of binding in screen |
| 13:55.06 | Sir_J | tarzeau, oke |
| 13:55.08 | tarzeau | it's not fishes either. try #screen |
| 13:55.19 | tarzeau | skipmeister: then that's a gkrellm bug |
| 13:55.28 | tarzeau | skipmeister: or something, checked BTS yet? or try !ustl |
| 13:56.22 | skipmeister | tarzeau, actually, hddtemp warns me that my drive is not in the db of supported drives, but it still shows the temp. Would this cause gkrellm to have a problem? |
| 13:56.36 | tarzeau | skipmeister: i don't use gkrellm. yes maybe |
| 13:56.49 | skipmeister | tarzeau, what's BTS? |
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| 13:56.59 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 13:57.11 | tarzeau | dpkg wake up bitch |
| 13:57.11 | skipmeister | !BTS |
| 13:57.11 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 13:57.18 | skipmeister | gotcha |
| 13:57.30 | tarzeau | dpkg fuck off |
| 13:57.36 | tarzeau | wait dpkg ignores me? |
| 13:57.40 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 13:57.42 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:59.26 | streuner | dpkg, test |
| 13:59.26 | dpkg | Sorry, streuner, I didn't get your test. |
| 13:59.54 | Silent_al | dpkg test echo |
| 13:59.54 | dpkg | Testing echo... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$ |
| 13:59.54 | overclocker | anyone has vlans configured with debian? |
| 14:00.04 | jharrisonwk | overclocker: yes |
| 14:00.55 | overclocker | jharrisonwk: could you use a vlan as a gateway? |
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| 14:01.09 | jharrisonwk | overclocker: yes |
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| 14:01.34 | jharrisonwk | overclocker: you mean 802.11q vlan tagging right? |
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| 14:02.06 | overclocker | jharrisonwk: yes, i could ping the router, but i couldn't surf |
| 14:02.56 | jharrisonwk | overclocker: you set the ip of the router as your gateway for that network? |
| 14:02.58 | Ryushin | I have a organization that is trying to hamstring us from using Debian because it's not "officially" supported and are trying to push us to use RedHat EL. Are there any official articles comparing Debian's security responsivness compared to RedHat and Microsoft? |
| 14:03.04 | jharrisonwk | overclocker: you must add a route probably |
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| 14:03.19 | nick01 | how many cds do I need to install a full gnome ? 2 or 3 ? |
| 14:03.37 | peterS | Ryushin: it wouldn't necessarily support your argument, the security team is loaded down pretty well |
| 14:03.38 | jharrisonwk | Ryushin: yes |
| 14:03.51 | overclocker | jharrisonwk: i declare my gateway with the router's ip |
| 14:04.05 | jharrisonwk | Ryushin: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 14:04.09 | streuner | ryushe: as a first start try /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 14:04.12 | abrotman | struct: ?! |
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| 14:04.21 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: hey |
| 14:04.28 | bigwig | hello |
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| 14:04.42 | bigwig | i have a postfix virtual setup and i would like to ask for help |
| 14:04.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: you can't do anything with the bot anymore? |
| 14:04.43 | peterS | abrotman: struct, is that Jenna Elfman from the other day? |
| 14:04.52 | nick01 | what happned with that idea for a debian control center ? was it made ? |
| 14:04.52 | jharrisonwk | bigwig: is there not a #postfix? |
| 14:04.55 | abrotman | peterS: John Goerzen ? |
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| 14:05.11 | bigwig | jharrisonwk: there is but nobody answers my question there |
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| 14:05.25 | jharrisonwk | bigwig: ok |
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| 14:05.30 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, except that I know his regular nick |
| 14:05.30 | Ryushin | Yea, I know they are loaded down a bit. But every major security hole that has come out, has usually been fixed within minutes or hours by the debian community. |
| 14:05.33 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: struct is busy doing nothing |
| 14:05.39 | abrotman | there are plenty of docs at www.postfix.org |
| 14:05.40 | bigwig | so i have a virtual setup with postfix |
| 14:05.41 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: but here I am at work |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | peterS: whose regular nick ? |
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| 14:05.53 | bigwig | and i deliver mail with maildrop |
| 14:05.54 | peterS | abrotman: John Goerzen is CosmicRay |
| 14:06.03 | bigwig | and i have a domain that has a catch-all user only |
| 14:06.12 | bigwig | because another site downloads mail from here |
| 14:06.23 | abrotman | peterS: i really wish they'd put their IRC nicks on planet .. or on the bottom of emails .. |
| 14:06.27 | jharrisonwk | I read that stuff about debian and sun and john and I have to say I think its clear what john is trying to say |
| 14:06.33 | donfilipo | hi my 3d accleretation broke probably with updating....i need to now what to do to fix it...any help? |
| 14:06.36 | jharrisonwk | I dont really see what the problem is |
| 14:06.42 | bigwig | now when a mail arrives in the mailbox, it has the Delivered-To field set to catchall@domain.com |
| 14:06.46 | abrotman | i think it's pretty clear the license is total crap and the packages should be removed :) |
| 14:06.48 | peterS | abrotman: come to think of it, I have _two_ brothers-in-law who start with J and end with N. how's that for odd. |
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| 14:06.54 | jharrisonwk | it sounds like SPI should have been in the loop |
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| 14:07.02 | bigwig | that is ok but if it arrived because of a bcc recipient |
| 14:07.03 | tarzeau | dpkg, hit abrotman |
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| 14:07.13 | bigwig | it is impossible to find out why it was delivered |
| 14:07.15 | abrotman | peterS: goerzen is your brother-in-law ? |
| 14:07.18 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 14:07.18 | dpkg | bonjour, abrotman |
| 14:07.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes she doesn't do anything anymore, the bitch |
| 14:07.26 | tarzeau | dpkg: bonjour |
| 14:07.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: complain to the owner i guess |
| 14:07.29 | peterS | abrotman: no. Jason Anderson and James Gannon both are. |
| 14:07.38 | Tassium | Where does one obtain the cifs kernel module? |
| 14:07.38 | dhuv | bigwig: cant you look at the headers |
| 14:07.39 | bigwig | can somehow postfix tell maildrop the original rcpt to: from the smtp session? |
| 14:07.52 | tarzeau | Tassium: build it? |
| 14:07.53 | peterS | Tassium: it comes with all modern kernels, I think |
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| 14:08.00 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. gotcha .. wait .. you have two sisters and didn't hook me up!?!? |
| 14:08.01 | bigwig | dhuv: the headers do not contain any information about the original recipient, if it was bcc |
| 14:08.06 | peterS | Tassium: I know it comes with all 2.6 kernels, I don't remember offhand whether it's built for 2.4 |
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| 14:08.23 | peterS | abrotman: I still have 2 unmarried ones, but they're both under 21 |
| 14:08.43 | Tassium | peterS: I'm on a 2.4 kernel, I really don't want to bump that up to 2.6 (and reboot the server everyone's using currently) just to mount a share on a Windows box :( |
| 14:08.47 | stoned | hahaha |
| 14:08.50 | abrotman | peterS: aren't you from the midwest .. where that's normal :) |
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| 14:09.08 | stoned | if I had a sis that was available, I still wouldn't hook you up with her |
| 14:09.09 | stoned | lol |
| 14:09.12 | peterS | abrotman: what's normal? people not getting married until they're in their 20s, or..? |
| 14:09.16 | stoned | abrotman is evil |
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| 14:09.36 | stoned | peterS, my grandma tells me she got married when she was 13 years old |
| 14:09.36 | abrotman | peterS: creepy old men marrying girls not old enough to know better :) |
| 14:09.39 | addggg | don't ever hook your sis up, that's not your job |
| 14:09.42 | abrotman | yeah .. lke that |
| 14:09.49 | stoned | like 80 years ago |
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| 14:10.19 | addggg | these girls go wild for those creepy old men |
| 14:10.34 | peterS | abrotman: oh, there is a certain amount of _that_ going around. a chick sitting near me on the bus a couple weeks ago said that right after she turned 18 she married a 33-year-old dude who didn't have his crap together at all, so she left him I dunno a year later or something |
| 14:10.58 | stoned | peterS, there are some tribes in Rajisthan/india/pakistan that marry off thier daughters when they are children, and they spend thier lives cooking and cleaning for the family they were married into, from childhood to old age. They grow up with thier husbands etc. |
| 14:10.58 | peterS | actually it sounded like less than a year, but I didn't enquire closely |
| 14:11.07 | abrotman | peterS: so yeah .. the age of your sisters is of no real concern! |
| 14:11.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:11.25 | addggg | ah, don't blame her, marriage and relationships are just socially acceptable excuses for girls to have regular sex these days |
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| 14:12.04 | peterS | abrotman: she wasn't exactly a picture of maturity herself (the girl on the bus) but she claimed that her ex-husband was less mature than she. she even realised that this would be hard to believe |
| 14:12.24 | abrotman | peterS: but yet .. you still live there :) |
| 14:12.38 | peterS | abrotman: oh, she was from some town near Denver |
| 14:12.58 | abrotman | peterS: so she moved to OK to marry a creepy old guy>? |
| 14:13.26 | amimusa | please, somebody can explain me or redirect to to understand differences between exim and postfix ? they are the same goal ? what are their differences ? Thanks for your time |
| 14:13.31 | peterS | abrotman: ha. no, she was visiting relatives. she's from the type of social background where she refers to her father as 'the sperm donor' |
| 14:13.55 | addggg | in other words, the father was a stud |
| 14:13.58 | Tassium | amimusa: That's not something easily summarized. My advice is to go to the websites for both and compare them yourself. |
| 14:14.05 | stoned | or an idiot |
| 14:14.15 | abrotman | peterS: like the rest of oklahoma! |
| 14:14.22 | stoned | abrotman, tell me about it |
| 14:14.24 | peterS | addggg: it's a statement of how involved he was with the children and whether she ever wanted to see him again |
| 14:14.25 | addggg | studs can be idiots |
| 14:14.31 | stoned | many people have tried to save me |
| 14:14.35 | addggg | peterS: yes, I know |
| 14:14.36 | bigwig | bye |
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| 14:14.47 | stoned | there are literally 7 churches one after the other on ONE fucking street |
| 14:15.01 | stoned | I have never seen so many churches in my life man |
| 14:15.12 | addggg | studs are generally not too involved with children or mother |
| 14:15.19 | peterS | abrotman: south-central kansas. I'll thank you to remember that I'm at least 50 miles north of oklahoma |
| 14:15.32 | stoned | peterS, hehe lucky bastadge |
| 14:16.05 | abrotman | peterS: oh yeah .. i forgot .. keep thinking you're in OK city |
| 14:16.19 | amimusa | Tassium: but i want to mean, in a server.. you have exim or postfix or both ? |
| 14:16.20 | abrotman | peterS: you just have to smack me with all the airplanes or something |
| 14:16.35 | Tassium | amimusa: They're both smtp servers, so you'd only have one |
| 14:16.44 | peterS | all things considered, you aren't that far off, though on my bicycle it would take quite a few hours to get there |
| 14:16.48 | amimusa | i saw postfix and sendmail are equivalents... but exim ?¿ |
| 14:17.08 | amimusa | ok, that's enough for the moment . thanks Tassium |
| 14:17.13 | peterS | amimusa: right, all three do the same thing, the designers have just had different ideas about how to implement them |
| 14:17.21 | abrotman | peterS: at least it's a nice day! |
| 14:17.21 | addggg | stoned: there are just two steps listed to compiling this program, cd Linux and ./install.sh , but I can't get these two commands to work, can you please explain what I need to do? |
| 14:17.40 | amimusa | ok, i will try postfix... i think |
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| 14:17.43 | amimusa | tahnks |
| 14:17.44 | stoned | I have no idea, I am not omniscient |
| 14:17.46 | stoned | sorry |
| 14:17.50 | peterS | abrotman: that it is. not sure which direction the wind is coming from, that's a big factor in how annoying a bike ride is |
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| 14:18.04 | abrotman | peterS: wind? .. you guys need some hills :) |
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| 14:18.13 | bahatpc | addggg: are you by chance speaking of TrueCrypt for linux? |
| 14:18.14 | stoned | peterS, I ride a deck, tell me about it, wind sucks |
| 14:18.19 | welp_ | how come i can't install java-packages? |
| 14:18.24 | welp_ | *java-package |
| 14:18.29 | addggg | bahatpc: yes, by chance I am! |
| 14:18.33 | peterS | abrotman: I'm just as glad not to have hills, but 15 knots of wind with you or against you makes a huge difference |
| 14:18.36 | addggg | any tips for me? |
| 14:18.39 | tnks | Reportbug tells me "master.debian.org is no longer an appropriate smtphost", but it doesn't tell me what to replace it with. Any suggestions? |
| 14:18.46 | bahatpc | addggg: you have to do ./build.sh first |
| 14:18.59 | peterS | tnks: known brokenness, presumably somebody will get to it soon |
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| 14:19.07 | addggg | bahatpc, that's the first step, then the other two commands? |
| 14:19.09 | bahatpc | addggg: you need to the the appropriate kernel source for that |
| 14:19.22 | SquareGuy | addggg, what are you trying to compile? |
| 14:19.22 | streuner | tnks: you could try your own SMTP-HOST or just the one of your ISP |
| 14:19.25 | addggg | appropriate kernel source? |
| 14:19.34 | addggg | SquareGuy: Truecrypt |
| 14:19.49 | welp_ | i can find java-package on the debian website, but apt-cache search java-package turns up nothing |
| 14:20.06 | bahatpc | addggg: AFAIKR all I did was ./build.sh, then ./install.sh - but as I said, you need the appropriate kernel sources to do that |
| 14:20.15 | tnks | streuner: okay. I just liked using the Debian one if there is one. |
| 14:20.47 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. but cross wind sucks |
| 14:20.52 | abrotman | no matter what |
| 14:20.55 | abrotman | night peterS |
| 14:20.57 | RichiH | hrmpf.. command line tool to create a socket? |
| 14:20.58 | bahatpc | addggg: the kernel source for your running kernel |
| 14:22.01 | bahatpc | addggg: I'm using a custom kernel, however somebody in this channel should know how to get the source for your default kernel |
| 14:22.21 | bahatpc | package kernel-source or so |
| 14:22.38 | welp_ | doesn't anyone know why i can't install java-package? |
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| 14:23.04 | stoned | !java package |
| 14:23.05 | dpkg | methinks java package is <replay> see java-package |
| 14:23.10 | stoned | !java-package |
| 14:23.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 14:23.27 | stoned | !blackdown |
| 14:23.27 | dpkg | blackdown kicks ass; they're java people for linux -- http://www.blackdown.org, or a group of Sun Java products ported to Linux by the Blackdown development team. Get it at http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, or most mirrors have aptable sections, or a group of folks who signed NDA's with Sun and got the JDK source code. they ported it to linux and put it up on blackdown.org, or shit, use java-package |
| 14:23.37 | stoned | welp, ^^ |
| 14:23.46 | stoned | welp_, ^^ |
| 14:23.47 | welp_ | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 14:23.54 | welp_ | stoned: ^^^ |
| 14:23.57 | stoned | welp_, did you read |
| 14:24.05 | stoned | welp_, add contrib |
| 14:24.24 | addggg | bahatpc: so I need to get more files to build and install Truecrypt? |
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| 14:24.38 | welp_ | stoned: one min |
| 14:25.09 | bahatpc | bahatpc: yes, but not from Truecrypt - TC builds a kernel module, and in order to be able to do that, it needs the kernel source |
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| 14:25.34 | welp_ | stoned: how do i add contrib? |
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| 14:26.16 | bahatpc | addggg: the kernel source is available as a package |
| 14:26.27 | streuner | heh |
| 14:26.34 | streuner | java is non-free, of course :-) |
| 14:26.46 | addggg | bahatpc: so I need to download the kernel source? where do I put those files? And why are these commands ./build.sh telling me no such file or directory? |
| 14:27.01 | jharrisonwk | addggg: still trying for truecrypt? |
| 14:27.08 | addggg | jharrisonwk: yeah |
| 14:27.09 | bahatpc | addggg: "no such file or directory" because you don't have the kernel source installed |
| 14:27.15 | addggg | ah |
| 14:27.17 | stoned | !contrib |
| 14:27.18 | dpkg | [contrib] debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end. |
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| 14:27.41 | bahatpc | addggg: to get the kernel source for your running kernel, please ask the channel |
| 14:27.45 | stoned | welp_, ^^ |
| 14:27.57 | bahatpc | addggg: usually, apt-get install kernel-source should do it |
| 14:28.07 | addggg | thanks, will try that\ |
| 14:28.10 | bahatpc | Never done it however, since I'm using a custom one |
| 14:28.11 | jharrisonwk | addggg: I compile my own kernels and when attempting to compile truecrypt I am informed I do not have dsetup but I installed that and the -dev libs and truecrypt just wont build. |
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| 14:28.16 | stoned | addggg, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare |
| 14:28.34 | jharrisonwk | stoned: that wont help |
| 14:28.43 | welp_ | stoned: done, thanks, gotta go |
| 14:28.57 | rhalff | hi how can I specify I only want squirrelmail from unstable ? |
| 14:29.00 | stoned | jharrisonwk, why not? |
| 14:29.16 | jharrisonwk | stoned: if the module wont build the module-assistant wont make a difference |
| 14:29.19 | addggg | jharrisonwk: are you telling me even YOU could not do this??? |
| 14:29.25 | streuner | rhalff: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 14:29.35 | stoned | jharrisonwk, do you know what module-assistant prepare does? |
| 14:29.48 | addggg | bahatpc: I think the kernel source got installed with apt-get install kernel-source |
| 14:29.53 | addggg | looks like that worked |
| 14:30.10 | rhalff | streuner, that got anything to do with squirrelmail ? :) : ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 14:30.22 | fireba11 | rhalff use backports .. you can set priority for it to REALLY low .. and then install squirrelmail explicitly from backports |
| 14:30.26 | streuner | rhalff: hm, try /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:30.28 | bahatpc | addggg: I just hope it's the right version :) If not, please ask the channel how to get the appriopriate version |
| 14:30.35 | jharrisonwk | addggg: I am telling you that I gave it a half assed try and lost interest |
| 14:30.43 | streuner | rhalff: if you cannot find a backport /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:30.51 | addggg | but now I don't know how to use these two commands: cd Linux & ./build.sh Any advice??? |
| 14:30.51 | jharrisonwk | addggg: I am sure I could get it working if I really cared enough to do it but I dont have the time right now |
| 14:30.58 | jharrisonwk | stoned: yes |
| 14:31.04 | bahatpc | jharrisonwk: Compiling and installing TC worked on the first try for me |
| 14:31.06 | rhalff | streuner, you know if that version will run with php5 ? squirrelmail.. ? |
| 14:31.09 | addggg | jharrisonwk: okay, I'll keep plugging away |
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| 14:31.12 | bahatpc | < 60 secs |
| 14:31.18 | stoned | jharrisonwk, what does it do? |
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| 14:31.31 | addggg | bahatpc: well, I'm working on 45 minutes, but maybe with your advice it WILL work??!! |
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| 14:31.48 | addggg | I believe I've got kernel source done now, what next? |
| 14:31.52 | streuner | rhalff: i don't use squirrelmail, just ask in channel again. |
| 14:32.07 | bahatpc | addggg: try ./build.sh again |
| 14:32.19 | jharrisonwk | stoned: it prepares the system solving depends and build packages in order to build the module |
| 14:32.20 | bahatpc | see if the error messages change or disappear |
| 14:32.54 | streuner | rhalff: there should be something in the docs about, /usr/share/doc/squirrelmail/README.Debian or such. |
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| 14:33.00 | stoned | including kernel source, which he was having trouble acquiring |
| 14:33.06 | addggg | bahatpc: I'm getting no such file or director |
| 14:33.15 | addggg | maybe I am issuing the command wrong?? |
| 14:33.40 | bahatpc | addggg: could you cut/paste the entire result to rafb.net/paste? |
| 14:35.09 | addggg | bahatpc: http://rafb.net/paste/results/dbqYxb16.html |
| 14:35.12 | addggg | don't laugh |
| 14:35.50 | addggg | I really don't know wtf I'm doing |
| 14:36.35 | bahatpc | addggg: are you calling build.sh with an argument, or just 'build.sh'? |
| 14:36.46 | jharrisonwk | stoned: ok |
| 14:36.51 | dabreegster | Is there a build.sh in your current directory at all? |
| 14:36.52 | jharrisonwk | stoned: lets see if it works then |
| 14:37.06 | dabreegster | Actually, yeah, nevermind |
| 14:37.08 | streuner | rhalff: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/webmail.htm |
| 14:37.38 | bahatpc | addggg: after unpacking TC's source, cd into truecrypt-4.2/Linux, the just run './build.sh' |
| 14:37.53 | streuner | rhalff: "Current stable versions of SquirrelMail do not work with PHP5, but the CVS version contains fixes which get it working. " |
| 14:38.12 | jharrisonwk | bahatpc: and it worked? |
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| 14:38.20 | rhalff | streuner, yes thanks, will see if backports have an unstable version then. |
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| 14:38.53 | bahatpc | jharrisonwk: yes, right away |
| 14:39.06 | streuner | rhalff: just take a look at changelog or README.Debian, the maint should mention if he used the version then. |
| 14:40.31 | bahatpc | addggg, jharrisonwk: http://rafb.net/paste/results/kH7Bdq67.html |
| 14:40.43 | GoAuLd | perl sucks |
| 14:40.47 | addggg | bahatpc: thanks, something is happening |
| 14:40.56 | bahatpc | I forgot the 'cd /path/to/truecrypt-src/Linux' part, however |
| 14:40.58 | GoAuLd | its slow like phyton and java |
| 14:41.13 | bahatpc | addggg: I forgot, you need to be root as well |
| 14:41.27 | addggg | bahatpc: that's okay, I figured that out already |
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| 14:41.58 | addggg | bahatpc: what do I do now: MockT:/home/cook/truecrypt-comp/truecrypt-4.2/Linux# ./build.sh |
| 14:41.58 | addggg | Checking build requirements... |
| 14:41.58 | addggg | Linux kernel (2.6.15-1-486) source directory [/usr/src/linux]: |
| 14:42.04 | addggg | ??? |
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| 14:42.15 | addggg | what do I type at the prompt? |
| 14:42.36 | plasmo[mixing] | Hey how do I set how many bg processes a user can run? |
| 14:42.44 | bahatpc | addggg: the symlink from /usr/src/linux to the actual directory where the source was installed appears to be missing |
| 14:43.21 | addggg | how can I fix? |
| 14:43.42 | bahatpc | addggg: again, I never installed or used the Debian version of the kernel source, as I use a custom kernel. Just ask the channel how to get the kernel source set up, and everything should work fine afterwards |
| 14:43.49 | tarzeau | plasmoduck: why do you need to? |
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| 14:44.36 | bahatpc | addggg: 'apt-get install kernel-source' was just a guess of mine |
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| 14:44.44 | addggg | bahatpc: I did get the source installed, that command worked |
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| 14:44.56 | bahatpc | addggg: yes, but it might not have been the correct version |
| 14:45.32 | abrotman | !tell tarzeau about popcon |
| 14:45.42 | bahatpc | addggg: I was just guessing with that command. Somebody in this channel should be able to help you find & install the correct version - I can't :( |
| 14:45.55 | tarzeau | !tell abrotman about goatse |
| 14:46.26 | bahatpc | addggg: I can't because I don't use a Debian kernel |
| 14:47.11 | addggg | bahatpc: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fEYwma51.html |
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| 14:47.59 | addggg | can someone tell me how to get-apt install <<<the right version of the kernel source I have>>> ???? |
| 14:48.02 | addggg | please? |
| 14:48.25 | peterS | there'll be a kernel source package named after your 'uname -r' |
| 14:48.28 | peterS | go from there |
| 14:48.33 | SquareGuy | addggg, you in x windows? |
| 14:48.36 | addggg | please? |
| 14:48.38 | tarzeau | addggg: what says uname -a ? |
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| 14:48.54 | addggg | I have this version 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 14:49.11 | tarzeau | peterS: yeah usually apt-get install kernel-source.*`uname -r`.* works |
| 14:49.22 | tarzeau | addggg: that's your command, above one |
| 14:49.27 | tarzeau | err linux-source |
| 14:49.30 | peterS | tarzeau: it hasn't been renamed to linux-source-* or something? |
| 14:49.40 | tarzeau | peterS: yeah, how i hate renames |
| 14:49.48 | addggg | apt-get install kernel-source.*'uname -r'.* ???? |
| 14:49.59 | tarzeau | addggg: not ' but + |
| 14:50.11 | peterS | apt-get install solaris-source-10.0-686 |
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| 14:50.16 | tarzeau | ` |
| 14:50.25 | tuxplorer | how do I dissect out a debian package and see its contents? |
| 14:50.28 | tarzeau | peterS: kfreebsd-source |
| 14:50.36 | tarzeau | tuxplorer: NOT AGAIN |
| 14:50.36 | addggg | apt-get install kernel-source.*+uname -r+.* ???? |
| 14:50.39 | tarzeau | tuxplorer: using ar |
| 14:50.46 | dabreegster | The switch to linux-kernel had me questioning my sanity for a while. Was it loudly announced? I read DWN |
| 14:50.47 | peterS | tuxplorer: dpkg-deb --extract or --contents or --info |
| 14:50.47 | tuxplorer | tarzeau: thanks |
| 14:50.50 | tarzeau | addggg: no with the backticks |
| 14:51.20 | peterS | tuxplorer: you can use 'ar' and 'tar' and 'gzip' since it's actually using those file formats, but 'dpkg-deb' is easier, it does all that for you |
| 14:51.25 | addggg | tarzeau: (forgive my stupidity) what are backticks? (sheesh I feel like I'm handicapped) |
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| 14:51.40 | SquareGuy | ` |
| 14:51.43 | stew | addggg: apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r) |
| 14:51.44 | peterS | addggg: he means ` ` but he really means $( ) which is easier to type |
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| 14:52.06 | stew | addggg: for kernels >= 2.6.12 you want linux-source not kernel-source |
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| 14:52.32 | tarzeau | addggg: `` |
| 14:52.38 | stew | addggg: however depending on what you are doing you likely need linux-headers-$(uname -r) not linux-source |
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| 14:53.05 | rhalff | anyone can suggest a better webmail package then squirrelmail ? |
| 14:53.19 | rhalff | please :) |
| 14:53.20 | addggg | okay, so the correct command is apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r) ?????? |
| 14:53.46 | S4nD3r | Hi there. Is possible to use the quota, when I have a partition mounting /home, but the homeusers is inside another directory, like /home/lpc/username ??? |
| 14:53.49 | stew | actually no, the source package doesn't have a revision |
| 14:54.08 | stew | addggg: linux-source-2.6.15. are you patching the kernel or adding a 3rd party module? |
| 14:54.28 | streuner | rhalff: iam satisfied with ilohamail. |
| 14:54.46 | addggg | arrrgh, no I'm trying to build and install truecrypt |
| 14:54.54 | bahatpc | stew: he's doing the latter |
| 14:55.06 | cmot | Yo all! Q about ACL behaviour in Konqueror (3.5.0bposomething): konqueror preserves the ACL on copying a file, whereas 'cp' on the shell - and earlier konq versions - would instead set the acl to the default acl of the directory. Since we have a system of 'mailbox directories' relying on exactly that behaviour this is quite a nuisance now... |
| 14:55.13 | streuner | rhalff: but keep in mind ilohamail isn't in sarge too.. |
| 14:55.24 | cmot | Can I trick konq to revert to the old behaviour? |
| 14:55.33 | rhalff | streuner, running that also for myself, but less features then squirrelmail, problem is I always have trouble with squirrelmail :) |
| 14:55.48 | rhalff | I'm looking at openwebmail now |
| 14:56.11 | stew | addggg: if you aren't patching the kernel but are just compiling a 3rd party module, you want configured headers: linux-headers-$(uname -r), not unconfigurde sources. |
| 14:56.25 | beefcake | try sqwebmail |
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| 14:56.51 | rhalff | beefcake, ok I will, openwebmail doesn't really blow me of my chair here :) |
| 14:56.53 | addggg | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) ?????? |
| 14:58.11 | addggg | stew: I just did above command and it's asking for the CD??? |
| 14:58.15 | addggg | LMAO |
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| 14:58.18 | tuxplorer | can anyone please explain the case statement in http://pastebin.com/765316 ? Sorry for asking a very basic question, but please spare a minute to help me.. :) |
| 14:58.29 | stew | addggg: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:58.41 | dabreegster | You probably need to tell your sources.list to use the net repositories |
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| 14:59.51 | addggg | this is my version: 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 15:00.04 | stew | addggg: are you running stable? testing? ubuntu? |
| 15:00.11 | addggg | testing |
| 15:00.13 | addggg | etch |
| 15:00.33 | stew | addggg: editor /etc/apt/sources.list ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:00.50 | peterS | tuxplorer: what's to explain? it's a simple case statement, though it could be a little simpler |
| 15:01.07 | dabreegster | tuxplorer: It's a switch-case statement. It tries to match the value of the variable $1 with different strings, doing something each time. So if the command is 'configure', it'll.. well, in this case, do nothing |
| 15:01.17 | tuxplorer | e) |
| 15:01.18 | tuxplorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.18 | tuxplorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.18 | addggg | I'm looking at sources.list now, what do I do there? |
| 15:01.36 | stew | addggg: add a testing mirror, comment out the cdrom source |
| 15:01.52 | tuxplorer | I don't understand the syntax.. two ) are there.. but no matching ( |
| 15:02.01 | peterS | tuxplorer: I think before you get into writing shell scripts you need to learn a bit about shell. if that case statement is hard to understand, you have a lot to learn in that domain |
| 15:02.17 | addggg | stew: I don't see any cd rom source there, I only have mirrors |
| 15:02.27 | peterS | tuxplorer: the ( are optional and usually omitted |
| 15:03.01 | stew | addggg: then you need to run apt-get update. it wouldnt' be asking you to insert a cd upon "apt-get install foo" unless you had a cdrom source in your sources.list |
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| 15:03.24 | addggg | okay, hold on and I'll figure this out |
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| 15:03.42 | stew | addggg: put your sources.list into a pastebin if you want us to look at it |
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| 15:04.21 | tuxplorer | peterS: thanks.. I just want to know what postinst, prerm files etc do.. that's it.. I don't need to write any shell scripts.. can anyone point me to a place where the functions of those control files are clearly descrbed step by step? |
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| 15:04.46 | peterS | tuxplorer: Policy and the Developers' Reference should have lots of info on that |
| 15:04.59 | peterS | tuxplorer: www.debian.org/devel/, start clicking on things |
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| 15:05.18 | zamaliphe | what is the Assembly compiler under linux ? |
| 15:05.29 | tuxplorer | peterS: thanks |
| 15:05.55 | stew | zamaliphe: nasm |
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| 15:07.11 | zamaliphe | stew: ok thanks |
| 15:07.58 | addggg | okay, hold on and I'll figure this outhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/0WujyC29.html |
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| 15:08.29 | addggg | I KEEP getting this strange responsehttp://rafb.net/paste/results/0WujyC29.html |
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| 15:09.18 | Optic | I'm looking for a tool that will monitor an init.d-style service and restart it or reboot the computer if it dies |
| 15:09.25 | Optic | is there such a thing? |
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| 15:09.36 | Optic | i could probably make a shell script but someone else probably has :) |
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| 15:10.06 | rvsjoen | I accidentally told aptitude to upgrade all packages, I dont want to do that now. Is there a way to make aptitude forget changes or revert changes ? |
| 15:13.26 | stew | addggg: looks like the software is broken and looking for the wrong directory. you can try symlinking /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-1-486 to /usr/src/linux |
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| 15:15.13 | addggg | stew how do you simlink? |
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| 15:17.23 | SquareGuy | ln --help |
| 15:17.38 | SquareGuy | addggg, ln --help |
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| 15:18.10 | bahatpc | addggg: ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-1-486 /usr/src/linux |
| 15:19.25 | addggg | bahatpc: I think that's progress, now it's asking for "Error: Kernel source code is incomplete - header file dm.h not found. |
| 15:19.37 | addggg | (you shop fast) |
| 15:20.37 | bahatpc | addggg: AFAIK dm.h belongs to the device mapper, which TrueCrypt uses. Why it is missing, I cannot tell since that is a kernel source question again, sorry |
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| 15:22.53 | addggg | maybe someone else knows: will apt-get install dm.h solve this problem??? |
| 15:23.02 | bahatpc | addggg: no |
| 15:23.22 | bahatpc | dm.h is just part of a larger body, the kernel source |
| 15:23.39 | avarab | How do I get debian to detect my audio hardware again? I have /dev/dsp but I get "No such device" when I try to use it |
| 15:23.57 | Covener | avarab: alsaconf |
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| 15:24.30 | Covener | avarab: although if your app speaks alsa you shouldn't be too concerned w/ /dev/dsp as it's the oss backwards compat interface |
| 15:25.09 | stew | addggg: if you actually need to use source, you will have to get kerenl source, configure it, compile it, and install it |
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| 15:27.16 | g3brown | I'm using 'dhcp3 server' on Sarge. Is there a way I can see currently assigned dhcp ip addresses? |
| 15:27.36 | addggg | stew: what a lot of effort to get this program built and installed for debian |
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| 15:27.49 | dabreegster | g3brown: I know little of dhcp, but look at ifconfig |
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| 15:27.56 | Knight_Lord | g3brown i guess you can parse the log file |
| 15:28.24 | addggg | stew: I have the kernel source with apt-get, what else needs to be done? |
| 15:29.07 | g3brown | Knight_Lord: I usually look at that file (although I can't seem to find it now) but there doesn't seem to be any logic in the layout of old vs new stuff |
| 15:29.14 | stew | addggg: you need to configure it and compile it and install it |
| 15:29.23 | addggg | stew: how? |
| 15:29.46 | Knight_Lord | g3brown what do you mean old versus new? The dhcp server doesn't know when on of the machines with assigned IP goes down |
| 15:29.52 | dabreegster | g3brown: I know ifconfig will show your IP address if you're using ppp, maybe it'll work for dhcp too |
| 15:29.56 | Knight_Lord | g3brown so it can't know which ones are still being used |
| 15:30.03 | addggg | believe it or not, skype works on debian, installed with one click! |
| 15:30.20 | stew | addggg: install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package libncurses5-dev ; then "make menuconfig", configure the kernel for your hardware ; then compile it: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 15:30.29 | g3brown | Knight_Lord: It knows if it is renewed. |
| 15:30.37 | g3brown | Knight_Lord: and when. |
| 15:30.38 | nick01 | where can I get isos with the graphical installer ? |
| 15:30.53 | Knight_Lord | g3brown exactly |
| 15:30.57 | g3brown | Knight_Lord: When I look at the log it is just a mess. |
| 15:31.09 | nick01 | WHERE ? |
| 15:31.10 | stew | nick01: /msg dpkg g-i |
| 15:31.14 | nick01 | k |
| 15:31.40 | nick01 | tks |
| 15:32.05 | addggg | stew: I am not trying to compile a kernel, I am trying to compile Truecrypt |
| 15:32.12 | addggg | maybe you did not unerstand? |
| 15:32.33 | g3brown | dabreegster: I'm looking at dhcp3 from the server side. I want to know what IP addresses the server has handed out. |
| 15:32.42 | dabreegster | g3brown: Oh. No clue, sorry. |
| 15:33.00 | jharrisonwk | addggg: you need to compile a kernel or have kernel headers from a compiled kernel to compile truecrypt |
| 15:33.07 | g3brown | dabreegster: np, I haven't really a clue either (or I wouldn't be asking) heh |
| 15:33.22 | avarab | Covener: It claims to find not find anything, but I know I have a working soundcard |
| 15:33.30 | dabreegster | g3brown: Good luck |
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| 15:34.06 | nick01 | stew: do I need to get a list of mirrors to do a netinstall or the graphical installer already has a list of mirrors for me to choose from ? |
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| 15:34.44 | stew | addggg: i understand. if you are trying to compile somethign for a kernel you cannot do it with an unconfigured kernel. usually a driver would only need the headers (which are already configured), if this driver for some strange reason needs the full blown kernel source, then you need to get kernel source, but its not going to work with unconfigured source |
| 15:34.45 | addggg | jharrisonwk: well, I managed to get the kernel source, what now? |
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| 15:34.59 | jharrisonwk | addggg: I am not about to explain how to compile a kernel |
| 15:35.10 | addggg | LOL |
| 15:35.12 | jharrisonwk | addggg: read the kernel howto |
| 15:35.41 | addggg | seems like a lot of frigging work to do just to install a program |
| 15:36.28 | jharrisonwk | addggg: yes |
| 15:36.43 | jharrisonwk | addggg: you would think the truecrypt guys would make installing their software easier |
| 15:37.04 | stew | nick01: it has a list |
| 15:37.06 | jharrisonwk | addggg: I guess you have to decide how important truecrypt is to you |
| 15:37.10 | nick01 | tks |
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| 15:37.37 | byteshack | is there any log that keeps track of logins and login attempts? |
| 15:37.49 | byteshack | we need to see who and when logged in |
| 15:37.52 | bahatpc | byteshack: last |
| 15:37.55 | Apage43 | Uhrm |
| 15:37.58 | nick01 | stew: the normal installer in etch failed to detect my hard disk :( |
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| 15:38.01 | byteshack | I can't seem to see that in syslog or messages |
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| 15:38.18 | Apage43 | nvidia's installer isn't seeming to work |
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| 15:38.28 | Apage43 | for these here graphics card drivers |
| 15:38.31 | nick01 | stew: ubuntu had no problems |
| 15:38.40 | addggg | jharrisonwk: lesson learned |
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| 15:39.15 | stew | nick01: what controller do you have? |
| 15:39.54 | Apage43 | isn't nvidia-glx in non-free? |
| 15:39.59 | nick01 | stew: dunno it's an ibook g3 300 mhz - clamshell ppc u know |
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| 15:40.11 | Apage43 | Could someone gimme the non-free url real quick since I can't get into X _-_ |
| 15:40.21 | stew | nick01: you might ask #debianppc |
| 15:40.34 | dabreegster | Apage43: Can't survive with a console browser? :) |
| 15:40.39 | nick01 | k |
| 15:40.43 | Apage43 | dabreegster: I'd have to install one |
| 15:40.44 | stew | Apage43: /msg dpkg non-free ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:40.50 | dabreegster | Apage43: Ah. |
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| 15:41.05 | dabreegster | lynx at least should be in base |
| 15:41.55 | Apage43 | it's not |
| 15:41.59 | Apage43 | but links > lynx anyway. |
| 15:42.01 | WizCraker | has anybody had any experience with tftp. |
| 15:42.18 | dabreegster | elinks > links, IMO |
| 15:42.29 | dabreegster | Then again, links2 can do svgalib and some Javascript |
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| 15:46.30 | widrone | WizCraker: A bit, what you trying to do? Boot something over the network? |
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| 15:48.25 | nick01 | how many more toy story characters are available for future debian releases ? |
| 15:49.02 | dabreegster | Bunches. Can't wait till we get to the karaoke penguin thing |
| 15:49.29 | Apage43 | wheezy? |
| 15:49.34 | SquareGuy | speaking of Toy Story... heard anything about more about the posibility of Toy Story 3 after it was cancelled after the aquisition? |
| 15:49.36 | dabreegster | Yeah |
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| 15:50.49 | avarab | so is it safe to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel from sarge |
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| 15:51.29 | lws | is there a way to export a list of installed packages? |
| 15:52.00 | dabreegster | SquareGuy: Wikipedia says it's in production |
| 15:52.12 | petemc | lws: /msg dpkg selections |
| 15:52.49 | lws | thanks petemc |
| 15:53.22 | addggg | I need a tip on how to give this command: tar xjf kernel-source-[version].tar.bz2 |
| 15:53.26 | haraldhv | ok, I have run into a problem here. I have a new SATA disk (just formatted) and an IDE disk. when I boot from the SATA it fails and throws me an ash prompt. I think it might be thinking that the IDE root partition is the right one use, even though I tried turning off the bootable flag for it. does debian just use the first partition it can find? |
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| 15:53.55 | dabreegster | Apage43: What's the problem? |
| 15:53.55 | lws | petemc: I want to sync to servers which are essentially mirrors so this is perfect, thanks |
| 15:54.00 | petemc | np |
| 15:54.12 | addggg | I need a tip on how to give this command: tar xjf kernel-source-[version].tar.bz2, my version is 2.6.15 |
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| 15:54.42 | addggg | I keep getting error: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 15:54.46 | madclicker | i am trying to add a printer to smb with cupsaddsmb but i get an error of "cupsaddsmb: No PPD file for printer" |
| 15:55.00 | dabreegster | addggg: Is it in the current directory? Do an ls or try to tab complete it |
| 15:55.02 | signuts | Hello all. Brand new to debian here and am wondering .. how "unstable" is "sid" . I would like to run a new version of X |
| 15:55.19 | petemc | addggg: tar xjf kern<tab><tab> |
| 15:55.23 | WizCraker | widron: I'm having trouble backing up to a tftp server from one specific system. I'm able to from others just not this one. |
| 15:55.25 | lws | petemc: if i do set-selections, will order matter? |
| 15:55.28 | cahoot | signuts: 100% |
| 15:55.33 | petemc | lws: shouldnt do, no |
| 15:55.34 | Knight_Lord | signuts it's unstable by definition and name |
| 15:55.39 | haraldhv | signuts: works mostly fine for me. some days are more exciting than others appearantly ;) |
| 15:55.41 | lws | petemc: I want to merge two files, so I was going to append and sort -u them. Just want to make sure. |
| 15:55.41 | stew | signuts: quite unstable. there is no reason to use unstable to get the latest x. what version of debian are you running now? |
| 15:55.46 | SquareGuy | dabreegster, cool... I hope Pixar makes it a good one... Disney would have made it crap |
| 15:55.49 | Knight_Lord | signuts why do you want to run a new x? |
| 15:56.16 | SquareGuy | gotta run |
| 15:56.17 | dabreegster | signuts: xorg 1.7 is in testing |
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| 15:56.32 | stoned | 1.7? |
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| 15:56.42 | signuts | I have X 4.3.0.1 |
| 15:56.47 | dabreegster | Version: 1:7.0.20 according to apt-cache show |
| 15:57.13 | dabreegster | What package are you checking? I'm using xorg and xserver-xorg |
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| 15:57.18 | JoshH | it's just called 7.0 |
| 15:57.20 | stoned | ifirst one is debian package revision |
| 15:57.26 | stoned | second is software version |
| 15:57.48 | stoned | xorg is not 1.7, it is still 7.0.20 |
| 15:57.56 | dabreegster | Oh. |
| 15:58.07 | dabreegster | No wonder that wiki page on transition was called 69to70 |
| 15:58.33 | signuts | xserver-xfree86 is all I have matching xserver. I assume that's the old version. |
| 15:58.37 | stoned | !package basics |
| 15:58.37 | dpkg | well, package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 15:58.57 | dabreegster | signuts: Read about xorg |
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| 15:59.09 | signuts | dabreegster, where? |
| 15:59.16 | ktwilight | http://x.org? |
| 15:59.25 | stoned | xorg.org |
| 15:59.25 | stoned | ? |
| 15:59.26 | stoned | hehe |
| 15:59.28 | ktwilight | no no |
| 15:59.29 | ktwilight | x.org |
| 15:59.37 | dabreegster | signuts: Um, /msg dpkg about it, and apt-cache show I guess. Are you in testing? |
| 15:59.41 | stoned | !xorg |
| 15:59.41 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 15:59.48 | jetscreamer | x.org is correct |
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| 15:59.50 | stoned | eh |
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| 16:00.03 | meriad | booya |
| 16:00.05 | meriad | rice crackers rock |
| 16:00.07 | jetscreamer | how the hell they got x is beyond me |
| 16:00.09 | signuts | dabreegster, no i'm not, just stable |
| 16:00.16 | ktwilight | what does X mean anywayz? :/ |
| 16:00.26 | dabreegster | signuts: /msg dpkg xorg stable or something. maybe get xorg stable. |
| 16:00.29 | nse | it's a letter |
| 16:00.30 | jetscreamer | x marks the spot? |
| 16:00.32 | ktwilight | eXciting? eXquisite? |
| 16:00.37 | stoned | Xtc |
| 16:00.38 | ktwilight | eXcalibur....... |
| 16:00.41 | stoned | ahem |
| 16:00.42 | jetscreamer | eXactly |
| 16:01.08 | jetscreamer | how they obtained x.org i meant |
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| 16:01.25 | jetscreamer | special dispensation? |
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| 16:01.41 | dabreegster | Bribery? |
| 16:01.53 | Trewas | jetscreamer: x.org is at least 10 years old domain, maybe they were there early enough to get pretty much any domain they wanted |
| 16:01.59 | jetscreamer | with enough money i see how it could be done |
| 16:02.05 | jetscreamer | ah good point |
| 16:02.12 | ktwilight | make sense... |
| 16:02.14 | guerra | can anyone help me to configure ssh? |
| 16:02.33 | stoned | guerra, what do you need? |
| 16:02.33 | nse | guerra: sure, ask your question |
| 16:02.49 | stoned | !tell guerra about ask |
| 16:03.47 | guerra | i forwarded port 22 at my router, make the sshd_config and my connections to my pc always time out |
| 16:04.16 | plasmoduck | Hey how do I set how many bg processes a user can run? |
| 16:04.20 | nse | guerra: maybe you need to install ssh package, do apt-get install ssh |
| 16:04.20 | stoned | guerra, forwarded to the correct ip I presume |
| 16:04.31 | plasmoduck | guerra: what kinda dsl modem? |
| 16:04.32 | guerra | yup |
| 16:04.54 | guerra | i have a speed stram moden and a linksys router |
| 16:05.03 | plasmoduck | oh |
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| 16:05.10 | plasmoduck | did you forward it in the modem? |
| 16:05.12 | stoned | guerra, telnet localhost 22 |
| 16:05.17 | signuts | Hey folks, if I go to unstable and decide I don't like it can I migrate back easily? |
| 16:05.24 | stoned | guerra, see if you get anything |
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| 16:05.31 | stew | signuts: no. downgrading isnt' supported |
| 16:05.39 | stoned | guerra, lets make sure ssh is up and running. ps x|grep ssh |
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| 16:05.41 | guerra | stoned: refused |
| 16:05.49 | dabreegster | signuts: If you're still just trying to get the latest xorg, it's in testing |
| 16:06.09 | realist | plasmoduck: you can limit number of processes via /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 16:06.12 | stoned | guerra, more than likely ssh is not running on your system |
| 16:06.15 | nse | signuts: you will like it until it breaks |
| 16:06.17 | realist | Not too sure about bg procs |
| 16:06.20 | stew | !connection refused |
| 16:06.21 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 16:06.42 | stoned | guerra, have you done installed the ssh package |
| 16:06.46 | stoned | guerra, apt-get install ssh |
| 16:06.51 | guerra | ya o use ssh |
| 16:06.56 | guerra | to log in otehr machines |
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| 16:07.01 | lws | reject packets, hah, it's all about DROP! |
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| 16:07.15 | signuts | nse, heh. dabreegster I need the crash course on repositories apparantly. I know where the repositories are but where is a good place to see available ones? |
| 16:07.15 | stoned | lws, drop is useless now |
| 16:07.19 | stoned | mostly useless |
| 16:07.22 | lws | stoned: why's that? |
| 16:07.25 | stew | lws: a droped package wouldnt' generate the connection refesed message he is getting |
| 16:07.36 | stew | ^package^packet |
| 16:07.40 | stoned | hehe |
| 16:07.45 | guerra | insatlled |
| 16:07.54 | stoned | guerra, you should be good to go |
| 16:07.55 | lws | stew: yeah, exactly. :) Which is why I usually have my firewall DROP instead of REJECT |
| 16:07.56 | dabreegster | signuts: Mirrors you mean? Or packages? Or like testing/stable/unstable? Sorry. |
| 16:08.00 | stoned | guerra, check with telnet localhost 22 |
| 16:08.13 | stoned | guerra, also apt-get install netcat useful |
| 16:08.16 | stoned | er.. -useful |
| 16:08.23 | signuts | Dabian, like the line I put in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:08.32 | signuts | dabreegster, errr. like the line I put in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:08.50 | dabreegster | signuts: OK. Um, debian.org has some info on that, I'll look up the right manual in a minute. |
| 16:09.05 | guerra | telnet worked |
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| 16:09.19 | stoned | guerra, ok, now try to ssh to your machine from somewhere else |
| 16:09.28 | stoned | guerra, to check if the port was forwarded properly |
| 16:09.36 | nse | signuts: don't go unstable. stay in etch, learn the documentation: there are a lot of them that are worth learning |
| 16:09.51 | azureus-user | hiall, i wanna change my dist from etch to testing, which conf files should i modify beside /etc/apt/source.list? |
| 16:09.57 | signuts | nse, what's etch? |
| 16:09.59 | stoned | etch == testing |
| 16:10.03 | azureus-user | ic |
| 16:10.05 | dabreegster | azureus-user: etch is testing right now |
| 16:10.14 | azureus-user | but i'd like "testing" |
| 16:10.17 | guerra | ok |
| 16:10.19 | stoned | lol |
| 16:10.22 | ktwilight | ... |
| 16:10.27 | signuts | ahh |
| 16:10.28 | signuts | brilliant |
| 16:10.39 | azureus-user | so if there any conf files contain the current dist name? |
| 16:10.42 | stoned | azureus-user, etch is in testing right now. If you use 'testing' is it the same as using 'etch' |
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| 16:10.55 | stoned | azureus-user, /etc/debian_veriooin |
| 16:10.56 | abrotman | azureus-user: you really probably don't want to track testing |
| 16:10.59 | stoned | doh |
| 16:11.01 | stoned | version |
| 16:11.15 | azureus-user | so you suggest use "etch"? |
| 16:11.23 | abrotman | i would |
| 16:11.33 | GoAuLd | etch etch etch |
| 16:11.45 | signuts | so I am concerned on how to edit /etc/apt/sources.list .. Is there a site to list these "distributions" |
| 16:11.47 | guerra | stoned: didnt work, i need to forward the port 22 to my machine i padress right? |
| 16:11.49 | dabreegster | signuts: Browse chapter 2 of http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 16:11.58 | stoned | guerra, yes, and make sure you have a static ip on your machine |
| 16:11.59 | signuts | dabreegster, thx a ton |
| 16:12.02 | abrotman | signuts: why are you playing in there? |
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| 16:12.30 | nse | he is a player |
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| 16:12.41 | stoned | guerra, give your machine a static ip, and then forward port 22 to that ip |
| 16:12.46 | stoned | on the router |
| 16:13.12 | stoned | guerra, you would do that with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:13.41 | stoned | and then obviously on the router |
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| 16:20.15 | GoAuLd | !start a distro war |
| 16:20.16 | dpkg | Xandros 0wnz! |
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| 16:20.46 | jelly | w2003+cygwin+dpkg r00lz! ;-) |
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| 16:21.40 | nick01 | !start a distro war |
| 16:21.41 | dpkg | Progeny rocks! |
| 16:21.45 | nick01 | lol |
| 16:22.16 | jelly | !start a editor war |
| 16:22.21 | jelly | s/a/an/ |
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| 16:22.22 | stoned | stop |
| 16:22.27 | dabreegster | vim! |
| 16:22.37 | guerra | stoned: how do i give my machien a static ip adress? |
| 16:23.25 | stoned | guerra, edit /etc/network/interfaces. change dhcp to static. give your machine an ip on the subnet of your router. give it a subnet mask. other info as needed. ifdown ethX && ifup ethX |
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| 16:23.31 | stoned | X being your eth device number |
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| 16:25.19 | guerra | stoned: thanks for the help |
| 16:25.24 | stoned | guerra, you said its a linksys. You can find examples with pictures for your model router on portforward.com |
| 16:25.56 | stoned | guerra, you're welcome |
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| 16:32.40 | addggg | stoned, I think I might have actually built and compiled truecrypt |
| 16:32.52 | stoned | addggg, congrats |
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| 16:33.20 | addggg | stoned: Building truecrypt... Done. |
| 16:33.20 | addggg | Testing truecrypt... Done. |
| 16:33.38 | addggg | stoned: now tell me what do I do? :D |
| 16:33.53 | stoned | don't single me out please |
| 16:34.13 | stoned | I have never used truecrypt and I am useless to you |
| 16:34.17 | dabreegster | addggg: What did you want to do with truecrypt? |
| 16:34.18 | addggg | LOL, okay, open question to anyone masochistic (or kind) enough to help |
| 16:34.19 | StyXman | how may I discover the mac address of an ethernet adsl modem which is connected to a nic? |
| 16:34.45 | addggg | dabreegster: at this point I just want to see if it can run, now that I've compiled and built it |
| 16:35.04 | addggg | as you can see I am a totally ridiculous noob |
| 16:35.05 | stoned | adsl modems have a stats page, look at its documentation |
| 16:35.07 | dabreegster | addggg: Never used it either, so dunno. Presuming it's a library of some sort, find an app that uses it and try it out |
| 16:35.17 | addggg | dab: it is an ap |
| 16:35.26 | StyXman | stoned: will try |
| 16:35.44 | addggg | I just need to find the app and start it, the only question is how? |
| 16:35.45 | stoned | StyXman, its what the dsl man comes and looks at when you have a problem |
| 16:35.57 | stoned | StyXman, cable modems have one also |
| 16:36.25 | StyXman | stoned: this is a pure modem, I'm not sure it has, but i"m looking |
| 16:37.08 | stoned | StyXman, you can just look at tha back/bottom of it, it should be there on a sticker too |
| 16:37.15 | stoned | well, a lot of time it is |
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| 16:38.20 | StyXman | stoned: hmm, this is remote diagnostics :-| |
| 16:38.31 | StyXman | I mean, I'm far from the equipment |
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| 16:38.53 | stoned | StyXman, oh that sucks |
| 16:39.07 | mne | hi! I'm on unstable and I've to say that gnome 2.14 works like a charm, especially since it is really fast. Unfortunately since the upgrade to gnome 2.14 all application backgrounds default to white which I do not want. So, how can I change that ? |
| 16:39.23 | StyXman | stoned: most of the time, no, but in this case, yes, sucks-a-lot |
| 16:39.33 | stoned | StyXman, you can call your isp and ask them. Your modem's MAC is stored in your account details for when you bought/purchases and registered the modem with them |
| 16:39.55 | stoned | or when you activated one you already had |
| 16:40.01 | StyXman | stoned: not in this country. you can buy the modem apart from the service. |
| 16:40.15 | StyXman | (.ar here) |
| 16:40.35 | jetscreamer | i heard you an reset the modems and they will forget the mac they've 'bound to' if that helps and is applicable. also lynksys routers can 'clone' a mac and the cable modem likes it. |
| 16:40.41 | jetscreamer | s/an/can/ |
| 16:41.28 | StyXman | I will try using tcpdump while the modem negotiates the connection |
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| 16:47.29 | sebastien | hello, can you confirm there is a probleme in Sid with cupsys at this time (printers not detected) tks |
| 16:49.29 | Eclipser | hm, wasn't there some program to enable/disable apache sites? or should I just edit the symlinks manually? :) |
| 16:49.43 | addggg | wow!!!!! I finally built and compiled truecrypte |
| 16:49.59 | addggg | it actually runs |
| 16:50.05 | StyXman | Eclipser: a2ensite or something similar |
| 16:50.31 | addggg | thanks for all the help, I couldn't have done it without you guys! :D |
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| 16:54.59 | Eclipser | funny |
| 16:55.21 | sebastien | no probleme with cupsys in sid ??? |
| 16:55.36 | Eclipser | StyXman, thanks |
| 16:55.38 | zamolxes | sebastien: check bts :) |
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| 16:56.03 | jrots | Hi i'm trying to grep something, but it doesn't seem to find anything, when I do grep -R searchfor *.* I get no results ( on top dir ) but when I do that in a subdir I get some results. :s what am I doing wrong? |
| 16:56.39 | sebastien | ? |
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| 16:57.15 | twb | Anyone know a way to list all packages that are downgradable? |
| 16:57.39 | azeem | twb: downgrades are not supported |
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| 16:57.54 | twb | azeem: uh... aptitude install package=oldversion. Works for me. |
| 16:58.02 | azeem | twb: it might |
| 16:58.09 | azeem | not in general, though |
| 16:58.14 | twb | I mean, aptitude search ~U lists all upgradable packages. |
| 16:58.18 | azeem | anyway, I wouldn't know off-hand how to do that |
| 16:58.28 | azeem | because upgrades are supported :) |
| 16:58.40 | twb | Oookay. |
| 16:58.51 | Shadowcat | azeem: "supported" in the case of xorg |
| 16:58.52 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 16:59.01 | Shadowcat | man xorg is gonna break a lot of stuff |
| 16:59.17 | Netcad | My Compaq Presario's harddrive is producing a repetative clicking sound and the BIOS is not detecting it. What could cause this and how do I fix it? |
| 16:59.23 | ricky_clarkson | What package is the networking howto in? |
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| 16:59.39 | Shadowcat | Netcad: it's broken and you don't fix it |
| 16:59.43 | ricky_clarkson | I need to download it from WinDOS first, if it's not in Sarge ISO 1. |
| 16:59.43 | thingfish | Netcad: it's broken. |
| 17:00.06 | StyXman | Netcad: it's *dead*, Jim |
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| 17:00.15 | twb | The reason I want to do this is because I've been handed a mixed etch/sid system, and I want to turn it into a plain etch system. |
| 17:00.31 | Shadowcat | twb: not possible |
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| 17:00.39 | Shadowcat | wait for the sid packages to migrate |
| 17:00.40 | azeem | twb: does it work fine right now? |
| 17:00.45 | twb | azeem: yes. |
| 17:00.54 | azeem | if so, I'd just wait a couple of months and then "upgrade" to etch, rather |
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| 17:01.17 | StyXman | twb: then don't fix it. take out the sid deb lines and wait patiently |
| 17:01.17 | azeem | some packages might still be of higher version than etch, but oh well |
| 17:01.20 | twb | azeem: the problem is that when I say things like "aptitude reinstall initscripts", it complains because it can only find an older version than the installed version. |
| 17:01.34 | twb | azeem: exactly. |
| 17:01.34 | azeem | twb: so it doesn't work? |
| 17:02.05 | twb | azeem: the system *runs*. But making changes to the package system requires annoying manual mucking about. |
| 17:02.15 | azeem | well, why make change? |
| 17:02.49 | twb | To react to changing requirements. |
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| 17:03.10 | jetscreamer | the first |
| 17:03.11 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 17:03.12 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
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| 17:03.34 | twb | jetscreamer: ew. aptitude reinstall ~i |
| 17:03.53 | jetscreamer | you dropped a cr |
| 17:04.04 | azeem | twb: well, there is not much more advise than "either reinstall or don't touch your packages for a couple of months" |
| 17:04.05 | jetscreamer | no not <cr> |
| 17:05.02 | jetscreamer | might not be a couple months, at least not for most of it |
| 17:05.21 | jetscreamer | but i've done that, just changed from sid to etch in the sources.list and waited |
| 17:05.28 | jelly | twb: you could make a script with apt-cache policy to get etch versions and then install package=explicit-etch-version |
| 17:06.28 | jelly | twb: and hope any downgraded packages' conffiles aren't incompatible |
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| 17:08.04 | guerra | stoned: man, looks like i got the static ip adress, but now i cant log from somewhere outside my network. it means the ports arent forwarded...isnt it? |
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| 17:08.28 | insta` | Does anyone know of a LiveCD that will autoconfigure the network adapters on boot, set the root password to a known value, and start sshd? |
| 17:08.37 | stoned | guerra, yes |
| 17:09.00 | stoned | guerra, go to portforward.com and look up your router. it has picutes and screenshots of how to port forwards |
| 17:09.06 | sekh` | zog |
| 17:09.06 | guerra | already did |
| 17:09.08 | stoned | forward ports* |
| 17:09.10 | guerra | its just like there |
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| 17:10.29 | jelly | insta`: grml has boot option "grml ssh=password" -- see http://tinyurl.com/kmz4u |
| 17:11.07 | insta` | jelly: does it use isolinux as far as you know? |
| 17:11.10 | jelly | insta`: that particular option doesn't set root's password but user's though. |
| 17:11.22 | insta` | that's enough, does the user have root privs / sudo / known root pw? |
| 17:11.38 | guerra | stoned: do i have to disable dhc on the router? |
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| 17:11.41 | jelly | insta`: you have sudo and known root pw, yes. |
| 17:11.56 | stoned | guerra, no |
| 17:12.03 | jelly | insta`: I think it's syslinux. |
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| 17:12.22 | welp | anyone here use postgresql? |
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| 17:12.41 | insta` | hmm ... does that let me change the config? I could rebuild that one's ISO using 'grml ssh=hackme' as the default option ... that should do what I want, right? |
| 17:12.48 | welp | oh, hey stoned - thanks for the help earlier :D finally got java working :D |
| 17:12.52 | stoned | !anyone |
| 17:12.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:13.01 | stoned | welp, you're welcome |
| 17:13.07 | jelly | insta`: take a look at their wiki and "remastering". I just use it. ;-) |
| 17:13.23 | insta` | Sure, thanks for the shove in the right direction jelly. :) |
| 17:13.47 | welp | bleh, i'll come back with a question about postgre in a minute... ;) |
| 17:14.00 | jelly | insta`: I like it's being based-on-debian, having zsh and not a lot of gui crap. |
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| 17:14.36 | StyXman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:17.57 | welp | how do i delete all exising postgresql databases? |
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| 17:18.03 | welp | and users too, for that matter? |
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| 17:19.46 | guerr1 | stoned: when i defien a static ip do i have to do anythin on the router at all? |
| 17:19.56 | stoned | guerra, only forward ports to the ip you gave to the machine |
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| 17:20.18 | guerr1 | ok |
| 17:20.33 | guerr1 | didnt work, alter i will check it gtg now! thanks for teh help man take care |
| 17:20.35 | MrBallZ | hi guys |
| 17:21.20 | MrBallZ | question: I can't remember the name of the applet, that lets you have 9 small icons of aplications and start them .... |
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| 17:26.16 | Baltazar | can somebody tell me what is the easiest way to achieve software suspend on debian (etch)??? |
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| 17:26.30 | jetscreamer | it would help if you narrowed it down to if it's a kde or gnome specific thing |
| 17:26.46 | jetscreamer | it's called a takbar in icewm :) |
| 17:26.51 | jetscreamer | err taskbar |
| 17:26.55 | jetscreamer | no toolbar |
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| 17:27.12 | welp | jetscreamer, :| |
| 17:27.51 | jetscreamer | no you traitor to humanity go back to the cylons! |
| 17:28.38 | jetscreamer | or was that balthar |
| 17:28.58 | RichiH | balthar is the traitor, yes |
| 17:29.13 | ricky_clarkson | Where's the networking howto in the repositories? |
| 17:29.16 | ricky_clarkson | What package name? |
| 17:30.14 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, Net-HOWTO possibly. |
| 17:30.53 | ricky_clarkson | No, can't find it, but that's what I want, Net-HOWTO. |
| 17:31.45 | ricky_clarkson | It's here, as a collection of HTML files: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO.html |
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| 17:34.38 | GoAuLd | tldp is deprecated |
| 17:34.46 | twb | apt_preferences(5) says that a priority > 1000 "causes a version to be installed even if this constitutes a downgrade of the package" |
| 17:34.54 | ricky_clarkson | www.debian.org links to tldp. |
| 17:35.50 | meriad | a traitor to one a hero to the next |
| 17:36.50 | MrBallZ | question: what's the name of the applet, that lets you have 9 different applicatations and start them ??? its part of kde its all i remember |
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| 17:37.56 | twb | http://twb.ath.cx/tmp/tmp.txt |
| 17:37.56 | twb | What am I doing wrong? Shouldn't that 990 be 1001? |
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| 17:38.07 | Aronofsky | hi ; on debian I cant find where you define the default gateway parameter , can anyone tell me ? |
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| 17:39.03 | r__marvin | Aronofsky: /etc/netwotk/interfaces |
| 17:39.10 | river_ | is there not a 'base.tar.gz' file for installation anymore? |
| 17:39.11 | r__marvin | sorry, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:39.30 | ihmSelbst | hi all |
| 17:39.30 | ihmSelbst | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:40.44 | Covener | ihmSelbst: some X11 build-dep? |
| 17:42.26 | Aronofsky | r__marvin, actually in interfaces you can define gw for each interfaces , but how can I spoecify default gw ? |
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| 17:42.52 | r__marvin | Arafangion: you define only ONE gateway |
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| 17:42.59 | r__marvin | that's the default gw |
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| 17:43.34 | Aronofsky | r__marvin, ok sorry i missunderstood , that was stupid |
| 17:43.59 | mne | hi, how can I change the gnome background color for applications ? There are themes that can set the background color, but I would like to set it manually. any hints ? |
| 17:44.04 | ihmSelbst | Covener, what can i do? |
| 17:44.29 | Shadowcat | r__marvin: you can have several gateways |
| 17:44.32 | Shadowcat | but only one can be default |
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| 17:45.48 | pack | did mirroring unstable change anytime recently? |
| 17:46.01 | Shadowcat | only if you're using amd64 |
| 17:46.14 | pack | seems to be looking for some Packages.diff file on updates, which is not in my tree |
| 17:46.25 | stew | !pdiff |
| 17:46.25 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. |
| 17:47.12 | pack | thank you stew |
| 17:47.41 | stew | hmm that factoid should really have a url with more info |
| 17:47.56 | jelly | Rez: pdiff, I was pleasantly surprised with shorter update time; not so pleasantly with 50-100 lines in the log. |
| 17:48.13 | jelly | doh, stupid xchat |
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| 17:49.01 | madclicker | i am trying to add a printer to smb with cupsaddsmb but i get an error of "cupsaddsmb: No PPD file for printer" |
| 17:49.13 | ihmSelbst | Covener, no idea? |
| 17:49.45 | Coweater | is there any way to disable the "you can't click this button twice in a row" for gtk2 stuff? |
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| 17:51.38 | Franky6 | how do iadd amodule to alsa without re-compiling ? |
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| 17:51.53 | Franky6 | !alsa |
| 17:51.53 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://alsa-project.org/ |
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| 17:52.08 | sadneophye | hi |
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| 17:52.54 | Luckys | I specified the apt source to be cdrom and http, I selected only Desktop for the packages, but it seems its installing from the web, although cd is there in the cdrom |
| 17:53.19 | Maquiavelo | Probably because http packages are newer |
| 17:53.32 | sadneophye | I was using make-kpkg and making a kernel image... does anyone have any experience with this program? it keeps reconfiguring the kernel with 'make oldconfig' which is totally unapropriate... thanks |
| 17:53.37 | ricky_clarkson | !ethernet |
| 17:53.37 | dpkg | from memory, ethernet is a networking technology suitable for Local Area Networks (but not as good as Token Ring :-). what's used to catch an etherbunny, or invented by Robert Metcalfe |
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| 17:54.07 | erudified | ls |
| 17:54.10 | erudified | misfire! |
| 17:54.36 | ricky_clarkson | How should I normally make cabled-up Ethernet work - it wasn't available during install but it is now. |
| 17:54.56 | Luckys | Maquiavelo, its installing from http://secuity.debian.org stable/updates/main ... |
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| 17:56.11 | SaidinUnleashed | is there a way to do a net install using bittorrent instead of http or ftp? |
| 17:56.19 | nick01 | are there any unofficial debian repositories for mplayer codecs and such ? |
| 17:56.29 | stew | nick01: no, /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 17:56.34 | nick01 | k |
| 17:56.45 | stew | ricky_clarkson: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 17:56.51 | Franky6 | how do iadd amodule to alsa without re-compiling ? |
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| 17:57.02 | stew | Franky6: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:57.32 | sadneophye | Is this because I am not specifzing a .configure file somewhere? |
| 17:57.34 | Franky6 | 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 17:57.55 | stew | Franky6: then you definately don't need to recompile, that kernel has all of the alsa modules. |
| 17:57.58 | nick01 | stew, is vlc available in normal debian repos ? |
| 17:58.05 | NaRaK | anyone tried to use nfs/dhcp solution to install debian on a MIPS system? |
| 17:58.08 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Ta. |
| 17:58.13 | stew | nick01: yes, /msg dpkg pdo ; /msg dpkg search |
| 17:58.17 | Franky6 | yes but i plugged my new sb live! and it says there's no soundcard |
| 17:58.21 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I still get an issue with ipw2200, btw. |
| 17:58.39 | Franky6 | alsa is already installed though 'cause i'v eused it once with the old soundcard |
| 17:58.55 | stew | Franky6: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 17:59.25 | ricky_clarkson | stew: http://pastebin.com/765666 |
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| 17:59.47 | Franky6 | i did that but i don't undestand what he says |
| 18:00.28 | stew | Franky6: what is the output of "lspci -n | awk '/040.:/{print $3}'" |
| 18:01.16 | Franky6 | 1102:0007 |
| 18:01.24 | stew | ricky_clarkson: do you have a hardware kill switch for the wireless maybe? |
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| 18:02.03 | stew | Franky6: oh that's a newer one that needs the snd-ca0106 module |
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| 18:02.23 | Franky6 | so ? what i've to do ? |
| 18:02.47 | stew | Franky6: does "/sbin/modprobe -l snd-ca0106" return a path to a module or nothing? |
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| 18:03.02 | Franky6 | retruns nothing |
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| 18:03.37 | amimusa | hello, i've installed tomcat4 and jdk, now i have to set up tomcat for allowing browse jsp files with apache, i've the module download (hope also configured) but i need to configure tomcat for users, can somebody help in a fast way and save me to search and read a lot of documentation please? |
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| 18:03.42 | stew | Franky6: you need a newer kernel then. if you are on stable you should get one from backports.org |
| 18:03.57 | amimusa | it's something i'm doing for help, so a help will be cool too... |
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| 18:04.43 | Franky6 | i've backports enabled |
| 18:04.48 | Franky6 | but what i've to do ? |
| 18:04.57 | plasmoduck | how can I stop someone on my network from sending / recieving internet traffic? |
| 18:05.10 | plasmoduck | like say ip 10.1.2.9 |
| 18:05.28 | Vasistha | plasmoduck: ah, you want to block a computer with a certain ip? |
| 18:05.32 | amimusa | i've installed tomcat from repositories with aptitude |
| 18:06.12 | amimusa | now reading http://www.jspolympus.com/JSPTOMCAT/TomcatConfiguration.jsp please a shortcut to do that will be thankfull |
| 18:06.59 | Franky6 | stew ? |
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| 18:07.37 | jetscreamer | heeeeeelllllp!!!!! |
| 18:07.48 | Vasistha | Franky6: it's good to stay in the habit of always addressing someone -- e.g. with your previous messages -- that way he'll get highlighted with the relevant info |
| 18:07.55 | stew | Franky6: which cpu do you have? |
| 18:08.01 | Franky6 | pentium 3 |
| 18:08.17 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: I see your nick matches your request... ;-) |
| 18:08.18 | stew | Franky6: apt-get install -t sarge-backports install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 18:08.35 | jetscreamer | Vasistha's explanation was much more eloquent than mine :) |
| 18:08.48 | Franky6 | stew that says can't find |
| 18:08.49 | jetscreamer | no i was explaining/commenting |
| 18:08.58 | Vasistha | oh, hehe |
| 18:09.01 | jetscreamer | it was not a cry for 'help! help help!' |
| 18:09.13 | ricky_clarkson | stew: There is a switch, but it's on. |
| 18:09.22 | jetscreamer | (shoeshineboy became in real life) |
| 18:09.35 | stew | Franky6: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 18:09.43 | stew | ricky_clarkson: does it show up in iwconfig after modprobing? |
| 18:09.49 | Franky6 | i already followed that |
| 18:09.53 | ricky_clarkson | stew: No. |
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| 18:10.09 | Franky6 | btw i now tried removing the second install parameter |
| 18:10.11 | stew | Franky6: apt-get install -t sarge-backports install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:10.17 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I haven't added any wireless stuff to /etc/network/interfaces - should I? |
| 18:10.24 | stew | Franky6: oh, i'm sorry :) |
| 18:10.28 | ricky_clarkson | stew: It's the modprobe that adds that stuff to dmesg though. |
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| 18:10.46 | Franky6 | E: Couldn't find package install |
| 18:10.53 | Franky6 | removing the 2nd install says: |
| 18:11.01 | stew | ricky_clarkson: just modprobe should be enough to make iwconfig see it, until iwconfig sees it there is no point in putting stuff in to interfaces (which you would do eventually: man wireless) |
| 18:11.04 | Franky6 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:11.12 | Franky6 | linux-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 (= 2.6.16-13bpo1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:11.24 | stew | Franky6: you have to also install intramfs-tools and udev and grub |
| 18:11.27 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Yeah, thought as much. |
| 18:11.33 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Any suggestions then? |
| 18:11.35 | stew | Franky6: or yaird and grug |
| 18:11.37 | Franky6 | udev and grub are installed |
| 18:11.55 | stew | Franky6: you need the bpo versions |
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| 18:12.25 | fluor- | hi there - is there a good howto on how to switch from iso8859-15 to utf-8? |
| 18:12.37 | stew | ricky_clarkson: i dunno, i haven't seen that error before. maybe check the urls in "/msg dpkg laptops" for people with the same machine as you |
| 18:12.39 | Franky6 | but are u sure all this work is needed ? yesterday i asked what soundcard to buy and answer was buy an sb live plug and install module emu10k1 |
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| 18:12.53 | Franky6 | why today i need to mess-up my entire system ? |
| 18:12.56 | stew | Franky6: you have one that is too new for emu10k1 |
| 18:13.02 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Ok. |
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| 18:13.08 | Franky6 | sigh |
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| 18:13.25 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Maybe I'll try to find a Live CD with 2.6.15 or newer and see how it behaves with that. |
| 18:13.42 | stew | ricky_clarkson: wait, aren't you already on 2.6.15? |
| 18:13.47 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Yes. |
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| 18:13.53 | Franky6 | E: Couldn't find package intramfs-tools |
| 18:13.55 | stew | oh actually you are .16 |
| 18:13.57 | ricky_clarkson | But maybe I did something wrong somewhere. |
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| 18:14.05 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Yes, sorry, .16. |
| 18:14.11 | Luckys | !pango |
| 18:14.18 | Luckys | what is pango? |
| 18:14.20 | adggg | every time I reboot my machine GRUB tells me I have yet another instance of XP running, first I had 1, then 2, now there are 3 What the hell is happening??? |
| 18:14.32 | Franky6 | ok it was init |
| 18:14.42 | stew | Franky6: are you on amd64? |
| 18:14.43 | stew | no |
| 18:14.46 | stew | you arent |
| 18:14.52 | Franky6 | no pIII |
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| 18:15.26 | cirdan | hey all, can anyone give a quick hand on getting bacula-director-mysql setup on sarge? |
| 18:15.40 | cirdan | it's failing when creating the tables or so :-/ |
| 18:15.45 | Franky6 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:15.46 | Franky6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.06 | Franky6 | stew -> whille apt-getting initramfs |
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| 18:16.46 | jetscreamer | !die udev |
| 18:16.48 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 18:16.51 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 18:16.51 | cirdan | Creating Catalog "bacula" ...Ok. |
| 18:16.52 | cirdan | Creating tables ...Ok. |
| 18:16.52 | cirdan | ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
| 18:16.55 | cirdan | :-( |
| 18:17.06 | cirdan | i can connect as root fine though, with mysqladmin |
| 18:17.18 | jetscreamer | !tell cirdan -about paste |
| 18:17.23 | jetscreamer | even if he already knows |
| 18:17.39 | adggg | do I need to do anything in particular to get debian to recognize my external USB drive? |
| 18:17.43 | Vasistha | cirdan: you may need to GRANT access to 'root@localhost' |
| 18:17.54 | cirdan | hrm, thought it would already have it |
| 18:18.03 | cirdan | would debian-sys-maint user be better to use? |
| 18:18.09 | Vasistha | adggg: probably not. mkdir /mnt/usb ; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 18:18.13 | drphibes | hows does one install the x dbe extensions if they're missing on a debian installation |
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| 18:18.51 | Franky6 | stew what i've to do? |
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| 18:20.17 | cirdan | what is the debian-sys-maint user for? |
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| 18:20.46 | Hydroxide | cirdan: it's so that your system shutdown scripts can cleanly stop mysql |
| 18:20.53 | Hydroxide | cirdan: it doesn't have superuser permissions |
| 18:21.03 | drphibes | ah |
| 18:21.05 | Hydroxide | cirdan: but it can do what it needs to. |
| 18:21.07 | stew | Franky6: did it tell you an actual error? |
| 18:21.22 | Franky6 | i've errors in everything |
| 18:21.40 | Franky6 | apt-get install -t sarge-backports linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:21.47 | Franky6 | returns : |
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| 18:21.59 | Franky6 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:22.08 | mfrisch | I cannot install x on amd-64 sid anybody know a fix? |
| 18:22.20 | Franky6 | udev: Depends: hotplug (>= 0.0.20040329-17) |
| 18:22.35 | jetscreamer | install yaird instead |
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| 18:22.58 | stew | Franky6: you have to install the bpo version of udev and initramfs-tools, or the bpo version of yaird |
| 18:22.59 | jetscreamer | it doesn't depend on udev |
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| 18:23.36 | stew | Franky6: and the definately the bpo version of grub |
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| 18:23.52 | erudified | http://lists.debian.org/debian-toolchain/2003/09/msg00000.html |
| 18:23.55 | jetscreamer | might as well go ethc :) |
| 18:23.56 | erudified | ownage! |
| 18:24.00 | adggg | how can I check if external usb hard drive is available? |
| 18:24.02 | Franky6 | apt-get install -t sarge-backports yaird |
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| 18:24.30 | nurv | hello plp, please help me. I have one bash script that I want to execute during the boot proccess but after ppp0 interfeis is up. How can I understand when ppp0 is up and exec my script? |
| 18:24.50 | Franky6 | doiing apt-get -f install |
| 18:24.50 | Franky6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.51 | Franky6 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 18:25.32 | nurv | if I put it in /etc/rc5.d ? |
| 18:25.34 | jetscreamer | there should be and S##ppp script in /etc/rc.2 (or so) exec yours there with a higher # (maybe i know nothing) |
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| 18:25.55 | SaidinUnleashed | nurv, maybe /etc/rc.local |
| 18:26.00 | jetscreamer | that would be runlevel5 which you don't usually get to in a debian install |
| 18:26.18 | nurv | jetscreamer, I use X so I use init 5 |
| 18:26.33 | jetscreamer | nurv then it's not debian eh |
| 18:26.36 | jetscreamer | unless you cahnged it |
| 18:26.48 | nurv | jetscreamer, not debian? |
| 18:27.02 | amimusa | nobody can help to set up tomcat, please ? I don't understand why it is not running |
| 18:27.03 | blondie | Never Underestimate Radical Vision |
| 18:27.08 | stew | Franky6: you have to install all of them at once. if you are going to install udev expect it to complain that you are only running 2.6.8, the udev on bpo requires >= 2.6.12 |
| 18:27.14 | madclicker | is there a deb file available for "cups-windows-6.0-1.i386.rpm" ? |
| 18:27.14 | nurv | Linux debian 2.6.16-2-486 #2 Mon May 22 23:02:27 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:27.38 | jetscreamer | so you cahnged your default runlevel to 5 in inittab? |
| 18:27.41 | jetscreamer | changed |
| 18:27.50 | nurv | right |
| 18:28.11 | jetscreamer | ok then use a higher Snumber in /etc/rc5.d |
| 18:28.14 | stew | nurv: what version of debian are you running? something like knoppix or ubuntu? |
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| 18:28.27 | Franky6 | can u tell me a day/time when u've the chance to assist me step-by-step ? |
| 18:28.31 | nurv | stew official testing/unstable |
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| 18:28.47 | jetscreamer | why did you cahnge to 5 |
| 18:28.49 | nurv | jetscreamer, thank you |
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| 18:29.03 | jetscreamer | everything still gets installed by default to 2 |
| 18:29.12 | stew | by default to 2,3,4,5 |
| 18:29.19 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 18:29.21 | jetscreamer | !lart me |
| 18:29.34 | SaidinUnleashed | lol |
| 18:29.46 | FarrisG | how the hell does one rename a printer with cups? |
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| 18:30.03 | nurv | jetscreamer, it's my machine and i prefer to enter in init5 default |
| 18:30.03 | jetscreamer | FarrisG: i do it in the web interface |
| 18:30.08 | jetscreamer | localhost:#### |
| 18:30.09 | stew | jetscreamer: man update-rc.d and look at the EXAMPLES section |
| 18:30.12 | jetscreamer | i forget the port |
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| 18:30.32 | azeem | it's 631 |
| 18:30.41 | adggg | what does it mean when invoking a program it gives you a "Kernel module not loaded" message |
| 18:30.42 | adggg | ???? |
| 18:30.54 | azeem | adggg: depends on the program and module |
| 18:31.08 | azeem | adggg: check its documentation to find out which kernel requirements it has |
| 18:31.09 | nurv | adggg, that's exactly ;) module not loaded |
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| 18:31.30 | nurv | modproble *module |
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| 18:31.48 | adggg | what module needs to be loaded? |
| 18:32.03 | nurv | <azeem> adggg: depends on the program and module |
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| 18:33.14 | eeyore- | could be the 'program' in question is a.out and corresponding a.out support not enabled in kernel? it's pretty hard for a program to figure out a module it needs isn't available, unless it's just guessing :-) |
| 18:33.41 | azeem | most programs don't need modules |
| 18:33.58 | azeem | so if they want to do something funky and it doesn't work, a sensible error message might be "module not loaded" |
| 18:34.25 | eeyore- | azeem: anything that touches devices would need 'module', if kernel is modular |
| 18:34.38 | deadcat | when someone message me in bitlbee. can it do to that &bitlbee channel instead of a new window? #bitlbee is deserted |
| 18:35.10 | azeem | eeyore-: well, it's hard to speculate on that |
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| 18:36.28 | cirdan | hmm, Vasistha it looks like root should have the ability to grant ownership of a table |
| 18:36.32 | cirdan | i don't understand |
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| 18:36.56 | whaq|away | hi everyone |
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| 18:38.51 | lindenl1 | Can anyone suggest a good power point viewer for linux (not openoffice and not crossover). |
| 18:39.00 | cirdan | hmm, looks like improper quoting... |
| 18:39.17 | SaidinUnleashed | I use MagicPoint, myself. Dunno if it can read .ppt files though |
| 18:40.27 | lindenl1 | Another question is open office working for anyone in etch b/c mine acts really strange. |
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| 18:42.58 | Luckys__ | I could not start the X server, what next do I do, I struggled a lot with other distros and I still land up in the same place :( |
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| 18:43.51 | eeyore- | luckys: the answer to 'can't start X server' is most definitely not to switch distributions |
| 18:43.53 | cureless | Luckys__: what is your problem exactly, what is your video card, what debian are you installing? |
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| 18:44.06 | eeyore- | Luckys__: as with everything, you should analyze the situation ... read the log files |
| 18:44.12 | Luckys__ | cureless, it's debian 3.1 sarge |
| 18:44.17 | supaman | hi, is it possible to boot up a livecd if it lies on a hard drive? |
| 18:44.25 | SaidinUnleashed | are you sure you have the correct driver in xorg.conf or whatever the one is for xfree? |
| 18:44.27 | Luckys__ | eeyore-, I'm a newbie to linux world |
| 18:44.30 | eeyore- | supaman: you just answered your own question |
| 18:44.53 | cureless | supaman: not in an easy manner. |
| 18:45.00 | eeyore- | supaman: would you like an exotic, non-amortizing loan, ARM to go with that? |
| 18:45.24 | cureless | lol |
| 18:45.29 | Luckys__ | cureless, my display card is "ATI Mobility RADEON X700" |
| 18:45.33 | SaidinUnleashed | supaman, mount it, copy the contents to a folder on the hdd and use a syslinux floppy to boot |
| 18:45.54 | supaman | cureless: ok ... so if I would download image x and place it in my home partition I could not boot it up easily? |
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| 18:46.04 | SaidinUnleashed | might can use a grub floppy |
| 18:46.14 | cureless | supaman: what part of "not easy" is not clear? |
| 18:46.26 | SaidinUnleashed | it is not that hard, cureless |
| 18:46.32 | supaman | cureless: uhh .. that not there ;) |
| 18:46.49 | SaidinUnleashed | the annoying part is figuring out which loader to use to boot it |
| 18:47.03 | cureless | SaidinUnleashed: so you're saying it's not that easy bascially. |
| 18:47.03 | SaidinUnleashed | supaman, what cd are you trying to boot? |
| 18:47.05 | amimusa | nobody can help with tomcat4 + apache please ??? , come on please .... |
| 18:47.22 | supaman | SaidinUnleashed: Kororaa Xgl Demo Live CD |
| 18:47.22 | supaman | :) |
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| 18:47.36 | eeyore- | Luckys__: have you installed the fglrx package? it's the ATI official binary driver |
| 18:47.54 | SaidinUnleashed | hmm, I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think that kororra uses grub to boot from the CD |
| 18:48.06 | SaidinUnleashed | look in the contents of the image and see |
| 18:48.12 | cureless | Luckys__: and just to confuse you some more, I think the xorg 7 ati driver works fine for that card. (IIRC) |
| 18:48.17 | supaman | SaidinUnleashed: ok ... thanks |
| 18:48.24 | ceplma | /server irc.efnet.us |
| 18:48.29 | eeyore- | SaidinUnleashed: he's not trying to boot *from* CD |
| 18:48.30 | Luckys__ | eeyore-, no, but I tried in gentoo before, which even didn't had this RADEON X700 stuff |
| 18:48.47 | eeyore- | SaidinUnleashed: he's trying to boot from the livecd *image* that's on the HD, different set of assumptions that won't work |
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| 18:49.22 | SaidinUnleashed | you can not boot from a cd image on the hdd, at least not natively |
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| 18:49.38 | SaidinUnleashed | you can use something like qemu or vpc |
| 18:49.59 | SaidinUnleashed | but you can boot from the unpacked contents of a livecd |
| 18:50.07 | mama_pitufo | what could be causing a server clock to advance 4 s., jump back 4s., advance 4s. again, jump back, etc, forever? |
| 18:50.10 | Luckys__ | eeyore-, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=fglrx-driver ? |
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| 18:50.32 | eeyore- | Luckys__: gentoo uses 'ati-drivers' package |
| 18:50.50 | eeyore- | Luckys__: and the ATI stuff support chipsets, not specific cards ... |
| 18:51.01 | cureless | SaidinUnleashed: so you're once agian saying it's "not easy" :-) |
| 18:51.04 | itguru | If you want to boot from the liveCD image that is already on your hard drive - the you show research how knoppix does it with it's poor mans install mode |
| 18:51.07 | Luckys__ | eeyore-, should I download from the URL i pasted? |
| 18:51.13 | eeyore- | Luckys__: that's (fglrx) probably the correct one. install it and see :) use dselect |
| 18:51.21 | SaidinUnleashed | nah, it's easy enough |
| 18:51.23 | eeyore- | Luckys__: or apt-get, whatever |
| 18:51.52 | SaidinUnleashed | mount -t iso9660 /path/to/cd.iso /mountpoint |
| 18:52.22 | cureless | SaidinUnleashed: in which case you would already be running something and not booting the image. |
| 18:52.29 | SaidinUnleashed | then cp -rpf /mountpoint/* /unpackedcd |
| 18:52.50 | SaidinUnleashed | then boot with a grub floppy, point it to the kernel and initrd and bam |
| 18:52.52 | SaidinUnleashed | done |
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| 18:54.03 | eeyore- | SaidinUnleashed: uh, really? it may load the kernel and initrd, but what about the linuxrc script? won't the script actually be looking for a *cd*? |
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| 18:54.14 | cureless | you're making a lot of assumptions there. |
| 18:54.54 | SaidinUnleashed | only if the author uses absolute paths in his scripts, which is very unusual and quite stupid |
| 18:55.07 | cureless | SaidinUnleashed: not absolute paths but devices. |
| 18:55.10 | eeyore- | SaidinUnleashed: the script will in all likelihood be poking around for CD's and stuff |
| 18:55.41 | SaidinUnleashed | it has worked with every livecd I've tried it with |
| 18:56.24 | eeyore- | SaidinUnleashed: yeah but where is the / filesystem coming from? the unpacked livecd content or *your original / on the HD*? |
| 18:56.26 | cureless | SaidinUnleashed: I'm pretty sure it won't work with everything. |
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| 18:56.46 | brett | hey anybody here get compositing working on debian unstable? |
| 18:56.48 | SaidinUnleashed | no, the / point comes from either the initrd or the compressed fs used on the cd |
| 18:57.06 | brett | aka xcompmgr? |
| 18:57.15 | Luckys__ | while installation system was connected to the web to get the required files, but now, I can't connect :( |
| 18:57.17 | castro2006 | i need software to accelarate the downloads, can some one guide me |
| 18:57.17 | eeyore- | SaidinUnleashed: not convinced :-) script would have to allow for this possibility |
| 18:57.25 | SaidinUnleashed | usually the initrd sets up the / point |
| 18:57.52 | eeyore- | gtg, picking up kid |
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| 18:57.58 | abrotman | kid?! |
| 18:58.03 | abrotman | you have a goat?! |
| 18:58.04 | eeyore- | abrotman: you're here? |
| 18:58.19 | SaidinUnleashed | be nice~ he has respawned~ |
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| 18:58.36 | castro2006 | guys any one the package named |
| 18:58.45 | Luckys__ | woo, I can ping the router though |
| 18:58.50 | abrotman | eeyore-: i've been quiet .. been busy at work |
| 18:58.52 | eeyore- | abrotman: hey, can you see /msg? not used to irssi |
| 18:58.53 | castro2006 | for accelerating the download |
| 18:58.59 | abrotman | eeyore-: yep .. i can |
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| 18:59.02 | abrotman | eeyore-: i replied even :) |
| 18:59.12 | eeyore- | abrotman: where the heck did the reply go? |
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| 18:59.33 | Luckys__ | can someone help me configure the internet |
| 18:59.47 | valdyn | Luckys__: the faq can |
| 18:59.50 | Ronin | configure the internet? thats a big job Luckys__ |
| 18:59.50 | SaidinUnleashed | XD |
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| 19:00.05 | cureless | Luckys__: the internet is hard to configure, ask Al Gore |
| 19:00.09 | abrotman | eeyore-: they're going somewhere .. either in your server window .. or in this window |
| 19:00.18 | Luckys__ | Ronin, I can ping my wireless modem |
| 19:00.46 | madclicker | is there a deb file available for "cups-windows-6.0-1.i386.rpm" ? |
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| 19:01.04 | deadcat | madclicker: whats taht do? |
| 19:01.29 | abrotman | eeyore-: you should see a number .. in white |
| 19:01.33 | madclicker | to make "cupsaddsamba" to work. It seems to be broken in etch |
| 19:01.47 | deadcat | madclicker: whats cupsaddsamba? |
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| 19:02.11 | valdyn | madclicker: you can configure windows network printers via http://localhost:631/ just like any cups printer |
| 19:02.19 | Luckys__ | there is not ifconfig, domainname commands |
| 19:02.21 | deadcat | madclicker: if you setup cups and IPP, you can print from any machine. without samba |
| 19:02.23 | madclicker | deadcat, its a utility from cups printing |
| 19:02.27 | Luckys__ | Ronin, where exactly I should look into? |
| 19:02.30 | valdyn | madclicker: however you need the package 'smbclient' installed |
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| 19:02.40 | adggg | what browser do I use in debian to view iexplorer sites? |
| 19:02.50 | adggg | firefox doesn't work unfortunately |
| 19:02.56 | deadcat | adggg: there are iexploere sites? |
| 19:02.56 | madclicker | valdyn, i have MS 98 clients |
| 19:03.05 | madclicker | cupsaddsmb: No PPD file for printer "HPLaser" - skipping! |
| 19:03.24 | valdyn | madclicker: oh, then you need to use samba |
| 19:03.24 | SlayerXP | adggg: what an "iexplorer site" ? |
| 19:03.40 | SlayerXP | what's |
| 19:03.42 | valdyn | madclicker: win98 client -> samba on your server -> cups on your server |
| 19:03.44 | deadcat | SlayerXP: i think its members only thing |
| 19:03.45 | adggg | web site that's built for ie |
| 19:04.10 | SlayerXP | adggg: then it's built for IE. problem solved. |
| 19:04.12 | adggg | SlayerXP: I wish they didn't exist, but they do |
| 19:04.17 | pack | should anonftpsync connect very quickly to an rsync host? say rsync.kernel.org? also, does it need special firewall permissions on the client side? |
| 19:04.26 | madclicker | valdyn, i know, but when i use the tool provided by etch "cupsaddsmb" i get "cupsaddsmb: No PPD file for printer "HPLaser" - skipping!" |
| 19:04.31 | adggg | is there even a version of IE for debian? |
| 19:04.33 | SlayerXP | adggg: so don't use the site. |
| 19:04.39 | deadcat | (= |
| 19:04.48 | valdyn | madclicker: i dont know that tool. |
| 19:04.49 | adggg | SlayerXP: I wish I could avoid it, it's a bank |
| 19:04.52 | deadcat | adggg: they probably dont want none ie users anyway |
| 19:04.59 | madclicker | valdyn, what PPD file, it seems like the cups-window files |
| 19:05.03 | deadcat | adggg: time to switch bank. |
| 19:05.11 | valdyn | madclicker: above given url to configure cups, vi /etc/samba/smb.conf to configure samba, that is it |
| 19:05.11 | adggg | I have to log into the site first |
| 19:05.19 | SlayerXP | adggg: i can find a number for microsoft for you, if you want to call and ask. |
| 19:05.28 | adggg | LOL |
| 19:05.30 | adggg | I guess not |
| 19:05.53 | madclicker | valdyn, cups is configured and working like a charm, its the samba portion that sucks |
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| 19:06.17 | madclicker | valdyn, i dont know how to add a cups printer to smb.conf |
| 19:06.27 | ihmSelbst | how to i install the xdbe extensions |
| 19:07.22 | valdyn | madclicker: nor do I, guess i must have just removed the comments from the example in there |
| 19:07.47 | valdyn | madclicker: or maybe i read the manpage and forgot =/ |
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| 19:08.24 | Ronin | Luckys__: dont know all you told us is you can ping your modem |
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| 19:08.38 | sepski | madclicker, is't that done almost by itself ? you just nee something like load printers = yes and printing = cups and printcap name = cups, and make a share that's printable = yes |
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| 19:09.17 | Luckys__ | Ronin, I don't know anything else to do, if you can point me to something ? |
| 19:09.46 | Luckys__ | Ronin, although as I mentioned, whilst installation it downloaded packages from the web |
| 19:10.09 | valdyn | Luckys__: no, you need to provide more useful information, paste output of 'route -n' for example, tell us if you are using dhcp, etc.. |
| 19:10.19 | Plouj | if I wanna make a USB stick bootable, should I just copy some bootable code to the MBR (440 bytes)? |
| 19:10.30 | Ronin | Luckys__: we need mor einformation |
| 19:10.39 | Plouj | to the MBR of the USB drive |
| 19:10.53 | welp | how do i get the bot to help me? |
| 19:10.56 | Luckys__ | valdyn, command not found :( |
| 19:11.06 | valdyn | Luckys__: as root |
| 19:11.09 | sepski | welp, type /msg dpkg help |
| 19:11.54 | Vasistha | Plouj: interesting idea... I have no idea if that would work! It's probably worth a shot though, eh? |
| 19:12.07 | valdyn | Plouj: if you want to boot linux, install your favourite bootmanager on that stick |
| 19:12.19 | Vasistha | Plouj: but wait... actually... what you would really want is to have (e.g.) grub install on it |
| 19:12.41 | valdyn | Plouj: basically, just treat it as if it was a normal harddisk |
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| 19:12.51 | Plouj | that's what I was thinking |
| 19:12.56 | madclicker | sepski, thanks |
| 19:12.59 | madclicker | ill try |
| 19:13.57 | JoelR | Hello, i have a problem, i'm trying to make a backup on daily basis by adding a crontab like this: 0 15 * * * tar -jcvf /home/joel/moodledata-`date '+%d-%m-%Y' `.tar.bz2 /home/joel/data |
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| 19:14.12 | valdyn | JoelR: apt-cache show dirvish |
| 19:14.13 | JoelR | but it doesn't work.. it just doesn't do the backup |
| 19:15.08 | JoelR | valdyn: ? but that's not what i want, i want the cron works.. |
| 19:15.28 | valdyn | JoelR: you want to reinvent the wheel |
| 19:16.13 | JoelR | valdyn: no, i just want to know what's wrong with my crontab.. |
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| 19:17.18 | valdyn | JoelR: which crontab is this? |
| 19:18.01 | JoelR | valdyn: 0 15 * * * tar -jcvf /home/joel/moodledata-`date '+%d-%m-%Y' `.tar.bz2 /home/joel/data |
| 19:18.23 | valdyn | JoelR: that's a crontab entry, but to which crontab are you adding this? |
| 19:18.56 | JoelR | valdyn: which crontab? what do you mean? |
| 19:19.09 | valdyn | JoelR: /etc/crontab is one crontab |
| 19:19.39 | JoelR | valdyn: oh, no, i just did: crontab -e and added that line |
| 19:19.40 | Maquiavelo | JoelR you can try "crontab -e" from the user :P |
| 19:19.45 | Maquiavelo | oh |
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| 19:20.29 | JoelR | Maquiavelo: other ideas? hehe |
| 19:20.38 | Maquiavelo | no lol |
| 19:20.52 | Maquiavelo | I'm having issues myself with something else |
| 19:21.03 | JoelR | Maquiavelo, fork you :p |
| 19:21.17 | Maquiavelo | I can connect locally to sendmail (port25), but I cannot connect remotely. Iptables has no entries. |
| 19:21.22 | valdyn | JoelR: nothing wrong with that line as far as i can see, im not sure though its doing what you expect it to do |
| 19:21.27 | deadcat | fork("you"); ? |
| 19:21.44 | formorer | Maquiavelo: netstat -ltp | grep smtp |
| 19:21.44 | Maquiavelo | and hosts.allow has sendmail: all entry |
| 19:21.58 | formorer | maybe its bound to localhost only |
| 19:22.04 | Maquiavelo | tcp 0 0 *:smtp *:* LISTEN 9382/sendmail: MTA: |
| 19:22.10 | stew | Maquiavelo: i'd guess your isp was filtering port 25 (which is common) |
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| 19:22.18 | JoelR | valdyn: /var/log/messages shows me something like this: /USR/SBIN/CRON[18560]: (root) CMD (tar -jcvf /home/joel/moodledata-`date '+) |
| 19:22.36 | formorer | Maquiavelo: ok, thats not the problem ;) |
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| 19:22.46 | Maquiavelo | Yea, maybe, that's weird though hehe |
| 19:22.57 | Maquiavelo | ftp, http, everything else is ok |
| 19:23.03 | byteshack | I have /var under /dev/hda1 and /var/extra under /dev/hdb2 |
| 19:23.14 | byteshack | I'd like to have /var in /dev/hdb2, how can I do this? |
| 19:23.14 | valdyn | JoelR: i would put that tar command into a script.sh file |
| 19:23.38 | byteshack | since /var/extra is already in /dev/hdb2? |
| 19:24.01 | Vasistha | byteshack: let's see, I think I can solve this problem... you should probably go down to runlevel 1 in order to umount /var |
| 19:24.21 | byteshack | auch, would probably need to login from a diff machine |
| 19:24.55 | valdyn | JoelR: doubt that `command` will work in a crontab, that is why i'd put this into a script, but i dont know how exactly that command will be evaluated |
| 19:25.01 | Vasistha | byteshack: is it remote?? Actually the easiest thing is to use a bootable cd so you're not messing around while live |
| 19:25.24 | byteshack | yeah, I'm ssh'd into the box right now, probably need to wait till I can be local |
| 19:25.29 | sepski | move the content of var/extra into /var/whatever, unmount /var/extra, rm /var/extra and rename whatever to extra then move the whole thing to /dev/hdb2 and edit fstab , |
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| 19:25.33 | valdyn | JoelR: its a bashism anyway, so it should be in a #!/bin/bash script |
| 19:25.41 | sepski | stop all services uising it first ofcouse |
| 19:25.45 | sepski | lsof can help |
| 19:25.46 | JoelR | valdyn: ok.. thank you anyway, i'm gonna check dirvish also.. |
| 19:25.59 | Vasistha | byteshack: in order to move the mount point for /var ? yeah, probably |
| 19:26.17 | byteshack | thanks, I think I will try to do this from a bootable cd to make sure I'm not dealing with live/in-use data |
| 19:27.19 | byteshack | sepski: I can't move the contents of /var/extra into /var/whatever, there is no more room on /dev/hda1. hence the reason why I would like to move /var to a different disk/partition |
| 19:28.06 | sepski | byteshack, do it the other way then . /var/* (excluding extra) into /var/extra |
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| 19:29.09 | valdyn | byteshack: go to single user mode, cp -a /var/* /path/to/new/var/; remove /var/*; mount new partition at /var/, fix /etc/fstab |
| 19:29.32 | valdyn | byteshack: ( that is skipping some obvious mounting and unmounting ) |
| 19:29.44 | byteshack | will do, thanks |
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| 19:31.20 | Maquiavelo | Well yes, apparently 25 is being blocked by the VPS Host. |
| 19:31.26 | Plouj | can someone tell me how evms is better than lvm other than "it does more stuff"? |
| 19:31.27 | Maquiavelo | changed the port to 500 and it connects |
| 19:31.36 | river_ | how come there is no 'vim' package for amd64 testing? |
| 19:31.43 | valdyn | !evms |
| 19:31.43 | dpkg | evms is, like, Enterprise Volume Management System, http://evms.sf.net/ |
| 19:32.08 | Plouj | great |
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| 19:32.11 | Plouj | like I didn't know that |
| 19:32.59 | valdyn | Plouj: lvm is in mainline and probably good enough. I dont know evms |
| 19:33.33 | cureless | Plouj: there are some differences if you read the url provided above |
| 19:33.41 | Servo888 | xorg wants something like "BusId "PCI:1:0:0"" | lspci shows my card being on the bus "0a:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] (rev a3)" 0a:00.0 looks nothing like PCI:1:0:0... How does one take what lspci gives and converts it over to what xorg wants to see? |
| 19:34.20 | sparr | Can anyone recommend a FOSS IM client that can handle AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, MSN, and Jabber, and can block ICQ spam? No, not gaim. |
| 19:34.52 | Servo888 | sparr, for gnome or kde? kopete for kde is good |
| 19:35.31 | sparr | Servo888: does it block icq spam? |
| 19:35.56 | Servo888 | sparr, no clue, you can do some research though |
| 19:36.06 | sparr | aye, i can |
| 19:36.15 | sparr | and ive found zero that advertise that feature |
| 19:36.18 | sparr | dozens that support icq |
| 19:36.32 | sparr | instead of trying them all ill just wait til i meet someone who has used one that can do it |
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| 19:38.08 | valdyn | Plouj: read the documentation, evms works ON TOP of lvm/lvm2/whatever |
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| 19:38.48 | hagbard_ | Need help! |
| 19:39.10 | hagbard_ | Howto to install stuff? there's no sudo apt-get ?! |
| 19:39.24 | hagbard_ | i need help.... |
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| 19:39.38 | valdyn | hagbard_: sudo is not installed by default in debian, contrary to ubuntu |
| 19:39.52 | valdyn | hagbard_: use 'su' to become root, install sudo, set it up, use it |
| 19:39.54 | hagbard_ | valdyn: ok.. but apt-get then? |
| 19:40.06 | valdyn | !sudo |
| 19:40.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 19:40.13 | azeem | hagbard_: or synaptic or aptitude |
| 19:40.19 | abrotman | sparr: why don't you stop using ICQ for fuck's sake .. |
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| 19:40.29 | abrotman | this is the third time i've seen you ask about it |
| 19:40.39 | humboldt | So, which sarge kernel to run on a Xeon? |
| 19:40.54 | valdyn | humboldt: -686 |
| 19:41.06 | sparr | abrotman: i did, for many years, but lately my friends have convinced me to start again |
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| 19:41.16 | hagbard_ | hmm.. |
| 19:41.19 | sparr | now that im being a more social person, IM seems to be the most popular way to communicate |
| 19:41.23 | resiak | Do you use AIM? |
| 19:41.36 | abrotman | sparr: get new friends |
| 19:41.36 | hagbard_ | howto install apt-get then? |
| 19:41.46 | resiak | You can talk to ICQ buddies from AIM --- just add their UIN to your list in the normal way --- and that way you evade the spam |
| 19:41.47 | valdyn | hagbard_: its already installed |
| 19:41.51 | hagbard_ | valdyn: no |
| 19:41.56 | valdyn | hagbard_: yes |
| 19:41.57 | hagbard_ | did netinstall |
| 19:42.03 | valdyn | hagbard_: its installed |
| 19:42.11 | hagbard_ | so it's not installed |
| 19:42.16 | hagbard_ | NO IT'S NOT! |
| 19:42.17 | valdyn | hagbard_: su<enter>, enter password, run apt-get |
| 19:42.31 | river_ | you can't install debian without apt-get (without an awful amount of trouble to do so) |
| 19:42.49 | valdyn | hagbard_: you should probably read the install guide |
| 19:42.51 | valdyn | !ig |
| 19:42.51 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 19:43.07 | hagbard_ | well... it was installed.. |
| 19:43.09 | hagbard_ | hmm.. |
| 19:43.18 | hagbard_ | unused to debian system with su and all that |
| 19:43.34 | azeem | we figured |
| 19:43.38 | valdyn | hagbard_: just install sudo |
| 19:43.39 | azeem | just install sudo then |
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| 19:44.07 | sparr | resiak: no, i havent. id rather not. if it comes to that, then yes, ill get an AIM SN |
| 19:44.10 | valdyn | hagbard_: and read the URL that dpkg mentioned above |
| 19:44.22 | resiak | sparr: You should probably make your friends use a better IM network |
| 19:44.27 | hagbard_ | valdyn: kinda hard when this is my only computer |
| 19:44.33 | sparr | resiak: the sad part is, ICQ and AIM are the same protocol, all run by AOL, but they provide different features to AIM users than to ICQ users |
| 19:44.38 | sparr | resiak: they use more than one |
| 19:44.49 | hagbard_ | and all i have is the terminal... |
| 19:44.53 | hagbard_ | no X or anything |
| 19:44.55 | sparr | AIM is the most popular where i work, since its a mac shop and iChat is an AIM client |
| 19:44.59 | hagbard_ | did netinstall as said before |
| 19:45.13 | sparr | but i have a lot of friends on yahoo or msn, and a lot of ICQ contacts |
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| 19:45.25 | humboldt | valdyn: |
| 19:45.25 | resiak | sparr: You should clearly make them all use AIM or Jabber= |
| 19:45.49 | valdyn | hagbard_: ok, install sudo, you can manage that part, run 'visudo', add a line like: 'hagbard ALL=(ALL) ALL' |
| 19:45.54 | deadcat | sparr: i thought myspace is the biggest at a mac shop |
| 19:46.00 | pipeline | sparr: Screw that -- set up an internal XMPP server and federate to gtalk.\ |
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| 19:46.05 | hagbard_ | valdyn: i don't want sudo.... |
| 19:46.08 | hagbard_ | su works fine |
| 19:46.11 | humboldt | valdyn: -686-SMP with 2 CPUs. What to run with one CPU but hyperthreading or dual core? What about em64t-p4? |
| 19:46.44 | valdyn | humboldt: smp for any of multiple cpu / ht / dual core |
| 19:46.50 | hagbard_ | well... here's another prob... installing X... xserver-xorg weren't found in apt-get |
| 19:46.55 | GoAuLd | how about google's picasa for linux, anyone had try it? its possible it'll included in official debian? |
| 19:46.58 | valdyn | humboldt: and use a -686 kernel as i told you |
| 19:46.59 | sparr | deadcat: that too, but i wont go there. emospace is for 12 year olds. |
| 19:47.11 | deadcat | sparr: i have no clue. (= |
| 19:47.11 | valdyn | humboldt: err, 686-smp anyway |
| 19:47.25 | sparr | myspace is how my little sister keeps up with all her boyfriends |
| 19:47.36 | hagbard_ | well... here's another prob... installing X... xserver-xorg weren't found in apt-get |
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| 19:47.46 | deadcat | sparr: dare to say your sis is a little slut (= |
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| 19:47.50 | resiak | !tell hagbard_ -about repeat |
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| 19:47.55 | valdyn | hagbard_: maybe because it doesnt exist |
| 19:48.01 | humboldt | I get a kernel panic and before that module megaraid2 not found (did make my installation with 2.4 kernel). What to do now? |
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| 19:48.13 | hagbard_ | valdyn: okey... howto install X then? |
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| 19:48.26 | valdyn | hagbard_: 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' |
| 19:48.30 | hagbard_ | aha |
| 19:48.34 | abrotman | go back to ubuntu |
| 19:48.35 | valdyn | hagbard_: now go away and read the install guide |
| 19:48.42 | deadcat | abrotman: haha. good one |
| 19:49.01 | hagbard_ | valdyn: what install guide? |
| 19:49.09 | humboldt | valdyn: Don't see no extra modules packages just the kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp like packages. |
| 19:49.12 | valdyn | !ig |
| 19:49.13 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 19:49.18 | valdyn | humboldt: thats fine |
| 19:49.19 | hagbard_ | why are you being so rude to newbies??? |
| 19:49.30 | valdyn | humboldt: what package are you looking for? |
| 19:49.48 | valdyn | hagbard_: no, you're not a newbie, you're a newbie that hasnt read the install guid |
| 19:49.59 | deadcat | abrotman: i think hagbard_'s comment was for you |
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| 19:50.07 | azeem | valdyn: try to /ignore then |
| 19:50.17 | valdyn | azeem: why? im helping him |
| 19:50.27 | azeem | you're repeating answers |
| 19:50.30 | azeem | !repeat |
| 19:50.30 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:50.38 | abrotman | azeem: and hagbard_ is repeating questions |
| 19:50.43 | valdyn | azeem: oh, evil me |
| 19:50.48 | valdyn | <sarcasm off> |
| 19:50.56 | deadcat | abrotman: (= |
| 19:51.37 | azeem | hagbard_: you might want to consider running tasksel and selecting the desktop task, if you haven't already |
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| 19:52.39 | Shadowcat | azeem: about tasksel |
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| 19:52.47 | Shadowcat | why did you take away manual package selection from the installer? |
| 19:52.53 | azeem | "me"? |
| 19:52.58 | Shadowcat | well... someone did |
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| 19:53.09 | stew | azeem: stop breaking d-i! |
| 19:53.21 | mike23d | anyone know how to do a failover with DNS? |
| 19:53.29 | Shadowcat | like before in tasksel you could always select "manual package selection" and then deselect stuff you didn't need |
| 19:53.31 | valdyn | Shadowcat: dselect used to be started automatically, are you referring to that? |
| 19:53.38 | Shadowcat | valdyn: no |
| 19:53.40 | valdyn | Shadowcat: oh nm |
| 19:53.42 | valdyn | Shadowcat: i see |
| 19:53.57 | Shadowcat | in my case I always threw out gnome and put kde in there |
| 19:54.01 | azeem | Shadowcat: what if you just not select any tasks? |
| 19:54.07 | stew | Shadowcat: when i start tasksel in both sarge and sid i see manual package selection |
| 19:54.12 | azeem | ahhh |
| 19:54.14 | stew | Shadowcat: which version of tasksel are you talking about? |
| 19:54.20 | azeem | Shadowcat: you mean you could customize tasks? |
| 19:54.24 | humboldt | valdyn: I get a kernel panik with either of the 2.6 kernels! |
| 19:54.24 | azeem | that wasn't clear at all |
| 19:54.26 | Shadowcat | azeem: that would be bad as it'd leave some important stuff out |
| 19:54.37 | Shadowcat | stew: not when you start it manually, when it runs as part of the installer |
| 19:54.42 | Shadowcat | on the etch beta 2 cd |
| 19:54.42 | beardy | Use aptitude instead. You can fiddle with tasks there aswell. If you have to.. |
| 19:55.01 | valdyn | humboldt: after upgrading from a 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:55.02 | Shadowcat | you have all the tasks but not "manual package selection" |
| 19:55.02 | azeem | Shadowcat: maybe you should reformulate your issue, it seems to be unclear what exactly is your problem |
| 19:55.04 | humboldt | valdyn: It does not find the megaraid2 module and therefore can't access root as it seams. |
| 19:55.08 | humboldt | valdyn: yes |
| 19:55.21 | Shadowcat | azeem: ok basically when you run the d-i beta 2 disk |
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| 19:55.26 | Shadowcat | it installs the base packages right |
| 19:55.26 | SunDevil | heu |
| 19:55.28 | valdyn | humboldt: i know this bug, cant fix it, sorry |
| 19:55.35 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 19:55.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 19:55.46 | Shadowcat | and then it asks you what type of system you want to install, like "Desktop, Laptop, Server" etc |
| 19:55.50 | valdyn | humboldt: this may be a good installer for your hardware^^^ |
| 19:55.53 | azeem | ok |
| 19:55.57 | Baltazar | in debian etch linux-headers-2.6.15-1 is not possibleto run "menuconfig", why? |
| 19:56.00 | Shadowcat | in Sarge there used to be a "Manually select packages" on the bottom |
| 19:56.03 | Shadowcat | that's gone now |
| 19:56.17 | valdyn | Baltazar: because its only the headers |
| 19:56.19 | stew | Shadowcat: perhaps you need to do the expert install? |
| 19:56.22 | azeem | I suppose that would be "don't select any tasks and run synaptic later on" |
| 19:56.23 | Shadowcat | and it's really annoying having to guess as to what it's installing just to throw it out later |
| 19:56.39 | azeem | ah, ok |
| 19:56.39 | Shadowcat | azeem: how can I run synaptic if I don't select the desktop task? |
| 19:56.49 | azeem | Shadowcat: then aptitude |
| 19:56.55 | Shadowcat | stew: that's the thing, it doesn't even give you control in expert mode |
| 19:56.56 | azeem | or dselect, whatever |
| 19:57.04 | Shadowcat | azeem: ya that's what I've been doing |
| 19:57.11 | Shadowcat | I ran the installer at the maximum debug mode |
| 19:57.12 | azeem | Shadowcat: what you're saying is that it is now installing all standard packages, no matter what? |
| 19:57.26 | Shadowcat | wrote down all the packages it installed, and did it the old fashioned way |
| 19:57.35 | Shadowcat | azeem: yes, it's either all or nothing |
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| 19:57.47 | azeem | what is "nothing"? |
| 19:57.56 | Shadowcat | nothing is basically no tasks selected |
| 19:57.58 | azeem | or rather, in which case does it install nothing? |
| 19:58.08 | azeem | hrm |
| 19:58.08 | stew | Shadowcat: which is what you are asking for, right? |
| 19:58.09 | Shadowcat | but that leaves some important stuff out such as whois, less, etc |
| 19:58.19 | azeem | so which set of packages do you actually not want installed? |
| 19:58.19 | Baltazar | valdyn: can i get the sources trough apt (apt-cache search does not show them at all)?? |
| 19:58.25 | setcode | hello |
| 19:58.29 | mackss | hello |
| 19:58.31 | valdyn | Baltazar: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 19:58.37 | Shadowcat | azeem: basically I just want the "Manually Select Packages" option back |
| 19:58.48 | azeem | Shadowcat: that's whining :) |
| 19:58.55 | stew | Shadowcat: how is "manual package selection" that you are desiring different from "nothing" which you say is an option? |
| 19:58.56 | azeem | let's try to be productive |
| 19:59.01 | azeem | less is Priority: important |
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| 19:59.17 | humboldt | valdyn: Are you saying I have to reinstall the whole thing if I want 2.6? |
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| 19:59.26 | Shadowcat | stew: say I select "Desktop, Laptop, and Standard System" |
| 19:59.35 | Shadowcat | but I don't want gnome, I want KDE instead |
| 19:59.39 | valdyn | humboldt: no, i didnt mean to imply that, i was assuming you might be on a fresh install |
| 19:59.41 | NewGIrl | someone can tell me the linux command to return the number of line.. |
| 19:59.42 | Shadowcat | before I used to go in and manually change that |
| 19:59.42 | Baltazar | valdyn: thats what i am doing, but to no avail... |
| 19:59.48 | NewGIrl | like how many line in ls -al |
| 20:00.01 | azeem | Shadowcat: but you'd do that in tasksel, no? |
| 20:00.01 | Shadowcat | now you either select Desktop in the beginning, or you don't, and manually stroll through aptitude afterwards |
| 20:00.02 | DerJamster | NewGIrl: ls -al | wc -l |
| 20:00.05 | NewGIrl | thanks you |
| 20:00.06 | stew | Shadowcat: install none of the tasksel tasks and use the aptitude KDE Desktop task |
| 20:00.07 | DerJamster | NewGIrl: man wc |
| 20:00.18 | valdyn | Baltazar: you're looking for cpu specfic source packages, those do not exist |
| 20:00.23 | Shadowcat | stew: in my opinion that's one hell of a detour |
| 20:00.31 | Shadowcat | whereas the manual option would save so much time |
| 20:00.41 | valdyn | Baltazar: -686 -586 -smp etc pp are all built from the same source |
| 20:00.45 | stew | Shadowcat: the manual option would let you edit the tasks? |
| 20:00.57 | Shadowcat | stew: ya |
| 20:01.09 | azeem | I thought it just dropped you into aptitude |
| 20:01.16 | stew | that's what i thought too |
| 20:01.18 | humboldt | valdyn: I am on a fresh install but if there is a way around reinstalling everything, I'd still go it! |
| 20:01.20 | Shadowcat | azeem: it did, which would let you pick and choose |
| 20:01.26 | azeem | Shadowcat: eh |
| 20:01.35 | azeem | how is that different from choosing after d-i finishes |
| 20:01.47 | valdyn | humboldt: alright, i said already i dont know the fix for this megaraid issue, sorry |
| 20:02.03 | Shadowcat | azeem: say you select the "Desktop, Standard" tasks |
| 20:02.05 | azeem | as stew said, you can just select the tasks and further customize then |
| 20:02.06 | Shadowcat | as well as manual |
| 20:02.30 | Shadowcat | when tasksel drops you into aptitude, it'll have already marked the packages in the tasks for install |
| 20:02.38 | Shadowcat | so you'd just have to look through the list and verify it |
| 20:02.44 | azeem | Shadowcat: are you sure your use-case is important enough that it warrants presenting that option to every user (and potentionally confuse them a lot with aptitude)? |
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| 20:03.07 | Baltazar | valdyn: so what are my options? |
| 20:03.15 | azeem | I fail to see why you can't do that after the install |
| 20:03.17 | Shadowcat | azeem: well it's an installer feature that should be put back imho |
| 20:03.22 | Shadowcat | but point taken |
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| 20:03.28 | valdyn | Baltazar: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 20:04.12 | Baltazar | valdy: i want to recompile kernel 2.6.15 in order to enable suspend? |
| 20:04.15 | mackss | My webmin mysql module is telling me that mysql isn't running however when i click the start mysql it does nothing. Any ideas on how to resolve this? |
| 20:04.28 | valdyn | Baltazar: get the source, configure it, tada.. |
| 20:04.28 | Shadowcat | Baltazar: software suspend 2 isn't in the vanilla kernel |
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| 20:04.57 | mackss | Also, I have no idea how to start mysql manually :-/ and/or which mysql package i need to install but i thought it would be installed by default |
| 20:05.22 | Shadowcat | why would mysql be installed by default? |
| 20:05.28 | Seb | mackss: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 20:05.33 | valdyn | Baltazar: the _source_ difference for those -smp / -686 / -whatever packages is _only_ 1-2 Configuration options as you can see with make menuconfig |
| 20:05.38 | stew | mackss: apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
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| 20:06.01 | humboldt | So now I am completely screwed! |
| 20:06.12 | Baltazar | valdy: what source should that be then (my concern is just that i want keep the existing .conf file) |
| 20:06.49 | Shadowcat | Baltazar: if you can't configure a working kernel on your own you shouldn't be doing this |
| 20:06.50 | valdyn | Baltazar: the existing conf is in /boot/ for installed kernel-images |
| 20:06.50 | mackss | Seb, ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 20:07.13 | valdyn | Baltazar: copy that to your source tree and rename it to .config |
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| 20:07.37 | Seb | mackss: you need to run this as root, of course |
| 20:07.47 | mackss | Seb that is from root |
| 20:07.48 | Shadowcat | valdyn: which will not work if he's gonna use software suspend |
| 20:07.56 | Shadowcat | valdyn: you do NOT want to use an initrd with software suspend |
| 20:08.01 | Baltazar | Shadowcat: how can you configure kernel without recompilation?? |
| 20:08.07 | valdyn | Baltazar: Shadowcat has a good point, you are into alot of work if you have no experience doing this |
| 20:08.11 | Seb | mackss: have you messed with mysql config at all ? |
| 20:08.24 | Shadowcat | Baltazar: again, as I said, you shouldn't be doing this in the first place |
| 20:08.31 | mackss | Seb, nope :-/ this is a new box so maybe it's not even installed? |
| 20:08.38 | Shadowcat | I'm not gonna sit here and teach you how to make a kernel that can suspend |
| 20:08.39 | Baltazar | valdyn: i have done it sarge on few ocasions |
| 20:08.40 | mackss | or maybe it's just not setup |
| 20:08.46 | Shadowcat | I simply don't have the time, nor the patience |
| 20:08.51 | stew | mackss: run "mysqld" from the command line and see what error you get |
| 20:08.56 | humboldt | Does anybody know if there is a way to get megaraid2 to work with 2.6 sarge kernels? |
| 20:09.18 | valdyn | humboldt: i know that google knows |
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| 20:09.39 | Seb | mackss: if /etc/init.d/mysql exists then mysql is installed |
| 20:09.45 | mackss | Stew: bash: mysqld: command not found |
| 20:09.47 | Seb | mackss: i'd purge all the mysql* package and reinstall them |
| 20:09.52 | stew | mackss: as root |
| 20:09.56 | mackss | Seb: that does exist |
| 20:09.57 | Baltazar | i can always boot with knoppix and restore my grub .conf and boot into the working kernel |
| 20:09.59 | humboldt | valdyn: Google tells me, I have to use unsupported 2.6.15 kernel. Which I don't really want. |
| 20:10.00 | mackss | Stew: that was from root |
| 20:10.08 | Shadowcat | Baltazar: you just don't get it do you |
| 20:10.20 | Shadowcat | you don't need knoppix to recuse a kernel compile gone bad |
| 20:10.26 | Shadowcat | not if you know what you're doing |
| 20:10.35 | stew | mackss: if /usr/sbin/mysqld doesn't exist you ahven't installed mysql-server yet, apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 20:10.43 | humboldt | The backports on backports.org are not supported as well, are they (security update wise)? |
| 20:10.43 | Shadowcat | the fact that you are using knoppix futher proves that you're way in over your head and shouldn't be doing this |
| 20:10.48 | Shadowcat | further* |
| 20:11.04 | valdyn | humboldt: nope |
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| 20:11.17 | mackss | Stew, thanks installing now |
| 20:11.20 | mfdq | hi |
| 20:11.26 | valdyn | humboldt: no official support, its as good as the maintainer of that backport |
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| 20:11.59 | Baltazar | Shadowcat: are you reffering to suspend or kernel compilation?? |
| 20:12.08 | Shadowcat | !beat Baltazar |
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| 20:12.15 | Shadowcat | they're one and the same in this case |
| 20:12.18 | humboldt | valdyn: So that's the only way! |
| 20:12.21 | mfdq | i have a little problem with my gnome. when i try to start.. it brokes and cheking the messages file it say that "The Server GConf it isn't on user, closing" |
| 20:12.23 | Shadowcat | you need a new kernel for proper software suspend |
| 20:12.40 | mfdq | anyone know why it say that? |
| 20:12.46 | humboldt | when will etch be stable? |
| 20:12.54 | Shadowcat | humboldt: when it's ready |
| 20:13.06 | azeem | humboldt: see the debian-devel-announce mailing list archives for release updates |
| 20:13.11 | Baltazar | Shadowcat: what sources do i need for that?? |
| 20:13.23 | Shadowcat | Baltazar: I'm not gonna help you, as I already told you |
| 20:13.29 | stew | !debwiki humboldt DebianEtch |
| 20:13.29 | dpkg | humboldt: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch |
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| 20:13.36 | Shadowcat | you're not skilled enough and you refuse to listen |
| 20:13.41 | humboldt | Shadowcat: We are certainly all ready for it! But I guess it won't be ready before 2009?! |
| 20:13.42 | Shadowcat | you want to pull it off, google |
| 20:13.52 | Shadowcat | !beat humboldt |
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| 20:14.08 | azeem | *sigh* |
| 20:14.19 | stew | Shadowcat: stop using the bot to attack people. if you don't want to help, please just ignore |
| 20:14.20 | bahatpc | bye |
| 20:14.27 | mackss | Stew, that did the trick thank you. Also thank you Seb |
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| 20:14.49 | Baltazar | Shadowcat: ok, and carefull with that stick! |
| 20:14.50 | mfdq | quit |
| 20:14.56 | mfdq | y |
| 20:15.00 | mfdq | yes |
| 20:15.02 | mfdq | asda |
| 20:15.05 | mfdq | cv |
| 20:15.06 | mfdq | na |
| 20:15.10 | stew | mfdq: stop |
| 20:15.12 | nick01 | what was the name of those things ? gnome system tools ? and how do I install them ? |
| 20:15.16 | Shadowcat | ... great |
| 20:15.23 | deadcat | nick01: apt-cache search gnome applet |
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| 20:15.48 | nick01 | not applets the network configurator for ex |
| 20:16.12 | pngwen | I am trying to upgrade from kernel 2.4 to 2.6. It kernel panics because it cannot find the megaraid2 driver, and hence cannot load my root file system. How can I fix this? |
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| 20:16.46 | humboldt | 4 Dec 06 that is fairly close! I am surprised! After 2 years release cycle for sarge, ... |
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| 20:16.53 | Ryushin | pngwen: Most like you have to create your initrd file. |
| 20:17.06 | dondelelcaro | humboldt: if you want us to make it, you should jump in and help out. |
| 20:17.25 | pngwen | Ryushin: with what options, I can only run in 2.4, and it cannot find the 2.6 kernels when I try |
| 20:17.59 | Ryushin | pngwen: Are you using the debian kernel or kernel.org? |
| 20:18.14 | pngwen | Ryushin: the debian kernel. |
| 20:18.35 | Ryushin | So you've installed the 2.6 kernel package. |
| 20:18.40 | pngwen | Ryushin: if I used the kernel.org kernel, probably would have worked first try :-P I was hoping to be able to use a stock kernel. |
| 20:18.44 | Objologist | i'm having dependency load problems with some of our own packages |
| 20:18.50 | pngwen | Ryushin: I have installed 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 20:19.06 | stew | Objologist: we need more info: /msg dpkg bat |
| 20:19.09 | pngwen | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, on a xeon server. |
| 20:19.26 | Ryushin | OKay, install discover, udev, mkinitrd |
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| 20:20.20 | pngwen | Ryushin: ok, done |
| 20:20.24 | Objologist | packageA depended on packageB. We build a packageC which is a replacement for packageB. packageC is constructed to provide packageB, replace packageB, and conflict packageB. We changed the packageA prereq to be packageC. What we can't get to work write is an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:20.44 | Ryushin | Then use mkinitrd to make the initrd file for the kernel. Add the initrd file to grub/lilo, and then reboot. |
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| 20:21.02 | Objologist | an apt-get install of the new packageA will cause packageC to replace packageB. but if I just do an apt-get dist-upgrade, it holds packageA back |
| 20:21.32 | Shadowcat | Objologist: yes? |
| 20:21.43 | pngwen | Ryushin: megaraid2 not found |
| 20:21.47 | Ryushin | Should be something like "mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-2.6.8-2-686 2.6.8" |
| 20:22.04 | pngwen | Ryushin: That is what mkinitrd says, and that is what the debian kernel is going to say when I boot |
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| 20:22.33 | Ryushin | pngwen: They've must have replaced the name of the driver in 2.6. Do you know the name of the driver in 2.6? |
| 20:22.37 | sepski | Ryushin, if you use debian kernel images a dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-$(uname -r) would do it for you |
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| 20:23.09 | stew | Objologist: you can create a newer dummy package of packageB which depends on packageC but actually provides no functionality. when they dist upgrade, then the dummy pacakgeB gets installed which pulls in the new packageC |
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| 20:23.35 | stew | (i think) |
| 20:23.40 | Shadowcat | what stew said |
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| 20:23.49 | pngwen | Ryushin: the driver is called megaraid in 2.6, which mkinitrd can't find while running 2.4 |
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| 20:23.56 | Shadowcat | that was a pretty convaluted explanation, not that I could come up with a better one |
| 20:24.07 | Objologist | that's a cool idea |
| 20:24.13 | pngwen | that means that in order to upgrade to 2.6, you must first run 2.6 |
| 20:24.16 | Shadowcat | convoluted even |
| 20:24.16 | pngwen | :-P |
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| 20:24.17 | Objologist | that will work. thank you very much. |
| 20:24.28 | Sivik | how do you get a kernel newer than 2.6.8 in debian via apt-get |
| 20:24.46 | Shadowcat | Sivik: why do you need a newer kernel? |
| 20:24.54 | Objologist | one question... so how does one "get rid" of these old obsolete packages? i.e. at one point, I'd like to be able to remove packageB completely from the pool. |
| 20:25.07 | Ryushin | pngwen: I "think" you need to stick megaraid in /etc/mkinitrd/modules and then run mkinitrd again. |
| 20:25.09 | Sivik | Shadowcat: to install a version of qt |
| 20:25.13 | welp | http://debian.pastebin.com/766025 <--- anyone know what's going on here/ |
| 20:25.15 | welp | *? |
| 20:25.18 | pngwen | Ryushin: done, to no avail. |
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| 20:25.23 | Shadowcat | Sivik: uhh? |
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| 20:25.36 | Sivik | do you not know what qt is |
| 20:25.36 | Objologist | do i have to wait until everyones done the update "through" packageB, and then go ahead and have no one prereq it anymore and pull it after that? |
| 20:25.43 | Shadowcat | Sivik: I know what qt is |
| 20:25.48 | Shadowcat | but what version of QT? |
| 20:25.54 | welp | Sivik, erm... we all know what QT is ;) |
| 20:25.56 | Ryushin | pngwen: Is megaraid.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686 |
| 20:26.09 | Sivik | 4.1.2 |
| 20:26.15 | Shadowcat | fair enough |
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| 20:26.22 | pngwen | Ryushin: hold on, I'm rebooting. |
| 20:26.26 | Shadowcat | change your sources to testing and upgrade |
| 20:26.34 | Sivik | ok |
| 20:26.36 | Shadowcat | or reinstall to testing |
| 20:26.43 | Servo888 | Anybody know what the hell I'm suppose to do / install to get my pcmcia (compact flash) working with the 2.6 kernel? I need the serial_cs drive afaik. But pcmcia-cs has been deprecated, so I installed pcmciautils... But now I have no clue where to find the serial_cs driver |
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| 20:26.45 | Sivik | i will just upgrade |
| 20:26.45 | Shadowcat | be prepared for BREAKAGE if you upgrade |
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| 20:27.04 | Sivik | Shadowcat: why do you say it will be broken? |
| 20:27.17 | Sivik | the kernel is stable |
| 20:27.24 | Shadowcat | because XOrg 7 is currently causing hell and high water in Testing and Unstable |
| 20:27.38 | Sivik | but what does that have to do with a newer kernel? |
| 20:27.39 | Shadowcat | and since you're upgrading to testing it'll pull that long with the rest of the packages |
| 20:27.54 | Sivik | oh |
| 20:27.55 | Shadowcat | Sivik: you're upgrading to testing, that means all packages get upgraded to testing |
| 20:27.59 | ma3x | why is incoming.debian.org empty??? |
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| 20:28.22 | Shadowcat | pipeline: not our fault you can't fix it :P |
| 20:28.23 | Sivik | Shadowcat, why can't i just updgrade the kernel without Xorg 7 |
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| 20:28.35 | Shadowcat | Sivik: that would entail running a mixed system |
| 20:28.42 | Shadowcat | but QT4 is already in testing |
| 20:28.43 | Sivik | Shadowcat: ok |
| 20:28.47 | sohmestra | Sivik: there are a lot of other dependencies involved in upgrading to a testing kernel |
| 20:28.53 | Shadowcat | along with qt4-designer and what not |
| 20:28.56 | Objologist | so if i use this "make packageB empty but suck in packageC" technique... what relation should packageC have to packageB? provides? conflicts? or replaces? or none? |
| 20:29.03 | Shadowcat | since you obviously need QT4 you might as well use what's in debian |
| 20:29.16 | Ryushin | pipeline: How is X.org a disaster? It's way better than XFree86. |
| 20:29.18 | Sivik | sohmestra: but how is that kernel testing it its a full stable version |
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| 20:29.36 | sohmestra | Sivik: _Debian_ testing. |
| 20:29.49 | sohmestra | Sivik: perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you want to do. |
| 20:30.02 | pipeline | Ryushin: Lots of regressions. :( |
| 20:30.15 | pipeline | Ryushin: Adding new stuff is only half of what good developers do :P |
| 20:30.15 | sohmestra | Sivik: install a debian kernel, via a debian package from testing, right? |
| 20:30.21 | Shadowcat | sohmestra: he needs a new kernel to run qt4 |
| 20:30.24 | pipeline | Ryushin: My laptop's graphics no longer work >:( |
| 20:30.31 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: where do you guys make the debian tshirts and how much for each? we are thinking of doing that for openbox (= |
| 20:30.32 | Shadowcat | so I suggested he upgrade to testing since qt4 is in testing already |
| 20:30.36 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 20:30.39 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:30.39 | Sivik | well, scratch that for now |
| 20:30.39 | Shadowcat | it'd save him a lot of trouble in the long run |
| 20:31.09 | stew | apt: popcon =~ s/-plow // |
| 20:31.09 | apt | OK, stew |
| 20:31.10 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: hey why's dpkg ignoring me? because i've updated some factoids? |
| 20:31.27 | Ryushin | pipeline: Which chipset? I've been using the Radeon driver with no issues for 4 years with xfree86 and x.org. The only issue I've add is the paste/scroll with the trackpoing on the thinkpad. |
| 20:31.43 | deadcat | tarzeau: dpkg /ignore'ed you (= |
| 20:31.57 | tarzeau | deadcat: yeah i noticed. but why? |
| 20:32.19 | deadcat | tarzeau: you were bothering that thing ? |
| 20:32.23 | Shadowcat | I mean that's ONE of the reasons I'm in unstable to begin with |
| 20:32.34 | pngwen | so far, getting debian's stock kernel to run has taken longer than simply compiling a kernel would. What good are stock kernels? |
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| 20:32.45 | Hagbard_Ub | any got any idea if Thunar Filemanager is in the rpo? |
| 20:32.47 | Hagbard_Ub | repo* |
| 20:32.49 | Shadowcat | pngwen: a stock kernel wouldn't even boot any of my systems |
| 20:32.50 | tarzeau | pngwen: nothing if they don't support your hardware |
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| 20:32.58 | humboldt | I can install debian with 2.4 kernel and install the 2.6 kernels. It just looks like the megaraid module is not in the initrd. There is a megaraid module in the modules directory for 2.6 but no megaraid2. Were these modules merged eventually? |
| 20:33.01 | stew | Hagbard_Ub: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:33.05 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: same here... that's why those people do their own kernels |
| 20:33.10 | signuts | I initially started a system running stable/main but added testing/main into the sources.list file. Now when I try to install rox-filer I get an unmet deps error. |
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| 20:33.19 | tarzeau | pngwen: if they worked you'd get the security for them for free by debian... |
| 20:33.24 | mage | hmm I've gotten good use of the knoppix kernels |
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| 20:33.42 | tarzeau | mage: ubuntu kernel helped me once |
| 20:34.03 | Roach4 | in kernel 2.6.8 are orinoco drivers patched for monitor mode? |
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| 20:34.33 | Sivik | how do i fix the error |
| 20:34.35 | Sivik | configure: error: QT moc compiler not found. Try --with-moc option. |
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| 20:35.08 | signuts | Sivik, probablly ijnstall the development headers of qt |
| 20:35.22 | Sivik | would it not be easier to just install qt, since i need it for other stuff |
| 20:35.30 | stew | Sivik: what are you trying to compile? |
| 20:35.43 | Sivik | a program named gambas |
| 20:36.02 | mage | heh need qt and dev stuffs probably |
| 20:36.06 | Ryushin | pngwen: Which megaraid card do you have? |
| 20:36.14 | stew | Sivik: you are running stable? |
| 20:36.18 | Roach4 | anyone?? |
| 20:36.19 | Sivik | stew: yes |
| 20:36.20 | stew | Sivik: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:36.24 | Shadowcat | Sivik: and gambas is in testing too |
| 20:36.24 | Sivik | 2.6.8 |
| 20:36.29 | streuner | ma3x: recycle mirror... |
| 20:36.32 | ma3x | stew, you remember when you helped me yesterday with that patch for bittornado-gui ? |
| 20:36.35 | stew | Sivik: that will tell you how to backport it from testing |
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| 20:36.40 | Sivik | ok |
| 20:36.45 | stew | err unstable |
| 20:36.45 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 20:37.05 | streuner | ma3x: it gets empty in order for new packages, all packages are in the mirrors now. |
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| 20:37.32 | ma3x | stew, I applied the patch, but still getting the same error. I submitted a bug report : # 354184 |
| 20:37.40 | danl | what package contains the font 'cursor' |
| 20:37.49 | Sivik | is there a program that will read .cbr files that don't require something that is in testing |
| 20:38.01 | blondie | what's a .cbr file? |
| 20:38.07 | ma3x | streuner, in what mirrors, I just updated from : deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib |
| 20:38.07 | ma3x | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib |
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| 20:38.18 | ma3x | streuner, and it's still the same as before 20 hours |
| 20:38.21 | tarzeau | blondie: what says file a.cbr ? |
| 20:38.45 | streuner | !cbr |
| 20:38.45 | dpkg | i guess cbr is Constant Bit Rate, but no modern codec is *truly* CBR; even MP3 codecs use a bit reservoir between frames, so a better term is ABR (Average Bit Rate) |
| 20:38.45 | blondie | tarzeau: I don't know! |
| 20:38.46 | tarzeau | blondie: can you provide your cbr file? |
| 20:39.03 | blondie | tarzeau: no, I don't have any... |
| 20:39.12 | Sivik | .cbr is a digital comic book file type |
| 20:39.22 | blondie | tarzeau: why are you asking me? :P |
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| 20:39.55 | tarzeau | blondie: because you asked what a cbr file is... and you forgot to put a name to which you ask |
| 20:40.20 | blondie | DENIED |
| 20:40.28 | streuner | Sivik: are you sure? :-) |
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| 20:40.33 | Sivik | streuner: yes |
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| 20:40.57 | streuner | Sivik: /msg dpkg foo is also blah blah |
| 20:41.14 | Sivik | CBViewer is a comic book viewer for comic book archives in cbz, cbr, zip, and rar formats. |
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| 20:41.49 | Sivik | streuner, its a package |
| 20:41.56 | ak70 | hi, is anyone using emacs-snapshot with semantic in debian sid? I can not install them together, is it a bug? |
| 20:42.24 | streuner | cbrpager |
| 20:42.40 | stew | ak70: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 20:43.25 | ak70 | I did not find such a bug in the track system |
| 20:43.45 | stew | ak70: what happens when you try to isntall them toghether? |
| 20:44.10 | ojai | how do you remove a line number in your iptables chain? (iptables -nL --line-number) |
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| 20:44.36 | streuner | dpkg, cbr is also a digital comic book file type |
| 20:44.36 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 20:44.53 | mage | i wish i knew why bittornado-gui and vncserver dont mix |
| 20:44.55 | Sivik | streuner, god, i hate being right |
| 20:45.01 | Xylene | how do i stop apt from keep trying to remove a package that has an error removing everytime i try to install anything now |
| 20:45.05 | ak70 | I can install emacs-snapshot, after that when I try to install semantic, it gives me an error |
| 20:45.20 | stew | ak70: put the error into a pastebin |
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| 20:46.07 | ak70 | it seems that semantic can not compile with the latest emacs-snapshot |
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| 20:46.18 | deadcat | mage: use bittornado and screen. they mix |
| 20:46.40 | Xylene | how can i fix this, http://pastebin.com/766082 |
| 20:46.43 | signuts | I am editing sources.list and commenting out the testing distribution to get some packages installed . Is there a sane way to fix this normally? |
| 20:47.09 | deadcat | signuts: pinning |
| 20:47.26 | signuts | deadcat, how do I do that? |
| 20:47.33 | stew | ak70: you could file a bug against semantic /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 20:47.54 | deadcat | somone factoid apt pinning please |
| 20:48.09 | Arafangion | r__marvin: You do realise that I impose a tax on useage of my name, unless it's relevant to the discussion at hand? |
| 20:48.12 | signuts | deadcat, aye I googled it |
| 20:48.15 | signuts | thx deadcat |
| 20:48.16 | deadcat | Xylene: k |
| 20:48.18 | deadcat | signuts: k |
| 20:48.26 | deadcat | Xylene: i dont have xorg-driver-fglrx at all |
| 20:48.28 | r__marvin | Arafangion: please excuse my lame tab-completion |
| 20:48.39 | r__marvin | i will file a bug against xchat asap |
| 20:48.40 | r__marvin | :) |
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| 20:49.14 | spacysp1ff | Hello People, just checking if there is an xslt debugger avaialble in linux |
| 20:49.20 | spacysp1ff | a free one that i can use |
| 20:49.22 | ak70 | check here http://pastebin.com/766091 |
| 20:49.23 | pngwen | ok, it appears that the 2.6.8-2 package does not come with any megaraid drivers. |
| 20:50.07 | Arafangion | r_marvin: Very well, I shall excuse it today, but only because I have an exam comming up soon. |
| 20:50.20 | pngwen | sore there is no way to make a 2.6.8-2 installation of debian work with a raid based computer. |
| 20:50.38 | formorer | not with the wrong raid |
| 20:50.47 | pngwen | *so* even. everyone should remember that. The instant answer should be "recompile" because I know this is going to happen a lot! |
| 20:50.55 | ak70 | it has been several days, I am assuming I am the only one who get this problem |
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| 20:51.26 | stew | pngwen: does this happen to be a dell server you are installing to? |
| 20:51.27 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: it's because you used forget too many times |
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| 20:51.37 | pngwen | stew: yup |
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| 20:51.49 | Arafangion | spacysp1ff: You couldn't use xalan or something, while not an xslt debugger per se, it should either work or fail. :) |
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| 20:51.54 | pngwen | stew: new install, incapable of 2.6 alltogether. |
| 20:51.57 | stew | pngwen: dell provides debian install cds. google for dell+debian |
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| 20:52.03 | palomer | how do I play midis with debian? |
| 20:52.07 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i see, she wants flowers now? |
| 20:52.13 | tarzeau | palomer: !timidity |
| 20:52.16 | stew | !install on dell |
| 20:52.17 | dpkg | install on dell is probably http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?focusedCommentId=6815 |
| 20:52.20 | spacysp1ff | Arafangion, mate does it do debugging as well gui stuf? |
| 20:52.25 | pngwen | stew: instalation is not the problem, it's installed, just with an ancient kernel. |
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| 20:52.32 | spacysp1ff | i am new to this and i need a debugger desperately |
| 20:52.53 | palomer | tarzeau: I installed timidity, it asked me to overwrite my current config and I said yes, then I downloaded timidity-patches.deb, then when I try to run it it says |
| 20:52.54 | pngwen | stew: the problem is running 2.6, the debian packages for 2.6 lacks key drivers. Recompiling is the only way to go |
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| 20:53.03 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: no, just don't use forget after it's warned you... if you need to forget many factoids e-mail or /msg me a list |
| 20:53.07 | palomer | /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg: No such file or directory |
| 20:53.09 | Arafangion | spacysp1ff: Ha. |
| 20:53.14 | Arafangion | (no) |
| 20:53.20 | spacysp1ff | hmmm |
| 20:53.20 | spacysp1ff | sad |
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| 20:53.25 | lando_c | I have a question concerning being able to sell merchandise with the Debian logo on it. Is this the right place to ask? |
| 20:53.28 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: k thanks |
| 20:53.37 | tarzeau | palomer: got freepats ? |
| 20:53.40 | stew | pngwen: you can run dell's 2.4.31 kerenl that they provide for you, you can compile a 2.6 kernel or you can probably run 2.6.16 from backports (/msg dpkg bpo) |
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| 20:53.51 | palomer | ahhh |
| 20:53.52 | cureless | lando_c: you'll get a quick response here (not a binding one if that's what you meant) |
| 20:53.52 | palomer | nice |
| 20:53.55 | dondelelcaro | lando_c: you can sell merchandise with the open use logo; it's generally considered a good thing to donate any profits to SPI though. |
| 20:53.55 | palomer | so I don't need timidity-patches |
| 20:53.58 | r_marvin | Arafangion: how much is the fee, usually? just so i'm prepared whenever i come to .au |
| 20:54.00 | palomer | right? |
| 20:54.13 | cureless | lando_c: but if you're making a good poster let me know, I've been looking for one. |
| 20:54.30 | whitehorse1 | q) Running etch (dual booting w/winxp). Having found I was down to <1gb on single HD, I bought+installed+partitioned a new 250gb drive. i think what i should do is move say /usr/local, /opt, and /var onto the new large ext3 partition on new drive. what's best way to do that? |
| 20:54.34 | pngwen | stew: debian's 2.4 kernel works, but I need 2.6 features. The point I am making is that the debian stock 2.6 kernels are terrible :-P |
| 20:54.54 | abrotman | so make your own and stop whining |
| 20:54.56 | cureless | pngwen: when you say that you need to add " ... for me" |
| 20:54.57 | Arafangion | r_marvin: I charge in terms of software services. It's more useful, and more convenient to arrange than a cash transfer across countries. |
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| 20:55.09 | r_marvin | kewl |
| 20:55.29 | gnat | i'm getting this error on boot. which just started happening kernel: eth0: No MII transceivers found! |
| 20:55.30 | lando_c | dondelelcaro: Our shop donates 100% of the profits back to the project whose log is on the merchandise. |
| 20:55.37 | r_marvin | i just did a redhat-> devian migration overseas, by ssh, does it count towards the fee? |
| 20:55.39 | signuts | Anyone have any luck building e17 on debian? |
| 20:55.40 | lando_c | s/log/logo ;) |
| 20:55.47 | pngwen | cureless: I have yet to see a machine where stock 2.6 didn't totally mess up. I've got the imperical evidence that they are bad |
| 20:55.50 | whitehorse1 | ( cont ) should i do it all by editing /etc/fstab? or is that deprecated by udev stuff? |
| 20:55.54 | Arafangion | r_marvin: Was it for me? |
| 20:56.16 | gnat | i'm suspecting that means my nic might be dead. any thoughts? |
| 20:56.19 | pngwen | cureless: recompile it, and it works like a champ though. Even if you use kernel packages. |
| 20:56.22 | r_marvin | no, for me, but it contributes to debian's greater good, blah-blah |
| 20:56.27 | stew | pngwen: if you only point is that you think the debian kernels are terrible, please don't waste anywone's time. given that the current stable kernel is based on a 1.5 year old upstream release you can't expect it to be supporting brand new hardware |
| 20:56.37 | Arafangion | r_marvin: You only used my name once, I usually give people 7 chances, so I wouldn't worry yet. |
| 20:56.39 | cureless | pngwen: I have it running on a few machines just fine, no problems. |
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| 20:56.52 | Arafangion | r_marvin: I do not have a concept of a "greater good". |
| 20:57.19 | pngwen | stew: that was the point of like 1 of my statements. Really I'm wondering, this has to have come up before. Megaraid is a very common device |
| 20:57.22 | pioto | hi, i'm curious how the www-data user is added to a debian system for apache2, for example. i don't see it in the debian/rules file... is it added by another package? or some other part of dpkg? |
| 20:57.31 | pngwen | stew: I was just seeing if anyone knew about it |
| 20:57.37 | lando_c | cureless: I don't see why we couldn't come up with a poster I will look into it. |
| 20:57.52 | stew | pngwen: yes, it comes up all of the time |
| 20:57.52 | pioto | i'm curious because i'm working on a dynamic uid/gid assignment system for the google summer of code, and i want it to be portable to systems such as debian |
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| 20:58.13 | stew | pngwen: i'm trying to offer you solutions, and you seem to say, "that's fine, i just wanted to say the debian kernels are terrible" |
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| 20:58.36 | pngwen | stew: so then, why doesn't anyone just say, "there is no solution" Sorry if I came across as trying to troll, I really didn't mean it |
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| 20:59.01 | pngwen | stew: the solution is to recompile, which means you can't do it with a stock kernel |
| 20:59.09 | stew | pngwen: people aren't saying "there is no solution" becuase solutions exist, such as the tree solutions i have offered you |
| 20:59.09 | lando_c | cureless: do you have a particular design in mind? If you do you can post it here-> http://open-collab.org/mod/forum/view.php?f=234 |
| 20:59.29 | stew | ^tree^three |
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| 20:59.42 | sp00k | plop |
| 20:59.58 | cureless | lando_c: all I want is a poster. I have 0 graphical ability though. |
| 21:00.20 | lando_c | cureless: np we can make up for that. |
| 21:00.28 | pngwen | stew: Ok, how about "There is no solution with a stock kernel"? |
| 21:00.53 | pngwen | stew: because next time I see the question, that's my response ;) |
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| 21:01.18 | Award | Can you use multiple USB keyboards at once in recent kernel versions? (And while OT, can you use multiple USB keyboards at once in Win2k?) (It's more a USB related question than an OS question, but someone said you can't in Linux, but I got it to work on an old kernel. I tried win2k but since the two keyboards I have to test with are actually composite devices, it was having "driver clashes") |
| 21:01.30 | lando_c | cureless: even an brief description would work ie Debian logo in the middle on silver background nothing else. |
| 21:01.31 | stew | pngwen: if you want to use a debian stock kernel you can use one from backports which is just the stock kernel from sid which has been recompiled with stable's gcc. you can also use a kernel from testing or unstable as long as you don't need to compile any additional 3rd party drivers for it |
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| 21:01.53 | lando_c | cureless: and maybe a size(s) |
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| 21:02.13 | cureless | lando_c: something about 0 graphical ability wasn't very clear. About size, well, isn't there a standard poster size? |
| 21:02.55 | lando_c | cureless: Yes and no... ;) |
| 21:03.23 | pngwen | stew: I do need to compile 3rd party drivers though. There is a simple solution that maintainers of kernel packages could do to prevent this |
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| 21:03.35 | stew | pngwen: what is that? |
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| 21:03.38 | pngwen | stew: and that would be to simply include a compiled version of all kernel modules. |
| 21:03.44 | stew | pngwen: they do |
| 21:03.48 | cureless | tehy do |
| 21:03.50 | pngwen | stew: no, they don't |
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| 21:04.07 | pngwen | stew: megaraid is not there. There are 3 modules in 2.6.8 for megaraid |
| 21:04.25 | stew | pngwen: here is the config in question, which config option do you think should be changed? http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/config-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
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| 21:04.42 | goron | Does Beagle index recursively when I say it has to index my personal folder? |
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| 21:05.25 | pngwen | stew: they have megaraid set to m, but there is no module there |
| 21:05.40 | stew | !find megaraid.ko stable |
| 21:05.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'megaraid.ko' (3 of 10): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386. |
| 21:05.52 | gnat_x | i am having troubles with my network card. i suspect this error might mean hardware failure, but is there anything else i should loko for first? the error is kernel: eth0: No MII transceivers found! |
| 21:05.54 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure megaraid in 2.6 is the combination of megaraid and megaraid2 in 2.4 |
| 21:06.44 | pngwen | stew: from /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686 I execute 'find . -name megaraid* -print' and it finds nothing |
| 21:06.50 | lando_c | cureless: I got the 0 graphic ability bit. I was hoping that with the 0 graphic skills in mind we could design based on a description you provided. But perhaps you meant you have no idea where to start in describing it. In which case I would say We will work up some designs and check back with this list. :) |
| 21:07.42 | stew | !find /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko stable |
| 21:07.55 | lando_c | cureless: or ...? |
| 21:08.22 | cureless | pngwen: try quotes around your megaraid* |
| 21:08.32 | stew | oh that one came out in the previous find |
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| 21:09.21 | pngwen | cureless: I try it with quotes, both " and ' and it still didn't find anything. If I compile with the config that stew sent, it does generate megaraid.ko |
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| 21:09.33 | goron | !beagle |
| 21:09.33 | dpkg | it has been said that beagle is http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/DebianInstall |
| 21:09.40 | cureless | pngwen: what kernel package do you have installed? |
| 21:09.49 | cureless | pngwen: did you recently recompile your kernel? |
| 21:10.10 | pngwen | cureless: the one the dpkg bot told us about. kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 21:10.27 | stew | pngwen: that is the config that is used for the debian 2.6.8-2-686 kenrel. if you have that kernel and not that module then someone removed it from your system |
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| 21:10.52 | abrotman | stew: iirc .. you can't start dpkg's find with a / |
| 21:10.54 | cureless | or someone recompiled the kernel |
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| 21:11.35 | charzero | I just installed Debian. All the fonts are HUGE. I told KDE to use smaller ones. How do I tell gtk? |
| 21:11.35 | pngwen | cureless: it's not a recompiling issue, my recompiled kernel's modules goes to a different directory |
| 21:11.42 | abrotman | :/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686$ find . -name mega* -print |
| 21:11.42 | abrotman | ./kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko |
| 21:12.03 | abrotman | same for 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 21:12.09 | stew | pngwen: what does "grep MEGARAID /boot/config-$(uanme -r)" say? |
| 21:12.24 | abrotman | stew: you're turning into paulswm lately :) |
| 21:12.34 | lando_c | Thank you all for your time the Debian shirts we create will be selling in the US at http://revelinuxgear.spreadshirt.com and in the EU at http://revelinuxgear.net and 100% of the profits will go to the Debian(Beer) fund. ;) |
| 21:12.36 | pngwen | stew: the only way it will boot is with the 2.4 kernel, which has the megaraid driver |
| 21:12.44 | pngwen | stew: so it all looks normal if I try that |
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| 21:13.20 | holger | Hi, its not only a debian question: I want to tell my bios to wake up at a specifc time. If I use nvram-wakeup and boot the system up to grub before switching off, the system boots at the given time. If I use nvram-wakeup and use only halt(8) the system does not wake up. Its an Asus A8R-MVP. |
| 21:13.26 | pngwen | stew: the normal messages with channel[0] is raid, LSI Logic Megaraid, etc. |
| 21:13.39 | stew | abrotman: yikes. how do you mean? |
| 21:13.50 | abrotman | <stew> pngwen: what does "grep MEGARAID /boot/config-$(uanme -r)" say? |
| 21:13.53 | abrotman | uname!!! |
| 21:13.56 | lando_c | oops the EU shop is http://revelinuxgear.spreadshirt.net sorry. |
| 21:13.57 | stew | oops |
| 21:13.58 | goron | How dangerous is it to install a kernel which has support for extended attributes, while my current file system (EXT3) does not have that? |
| 21:14.01 | abrotman | hopefully he understood though |
| 21:15.17 | pngwen | abrotman: it can't possibly say anything. the kernel's ability to speak to my raid precludes it from creating a log file |
| 21:15.36 | abrotman | pngwen: misfire? |
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| 21:16.00 | abrotman | pngwen: 2.6 has the megaraid driver .. i suspect your system is trying to load megaraid2 .. and not megaraid |
| 21:16.21 | stew | pngwen: you should maybe check that megaraid is in you 2.6.8 initrd |
| 21:16.24 | pngwen | abrotman: I added megaraid to /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
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| 21:16.42 | abrotman | did you make a new initrd? |
| 21:16.50 | pngwen | abrotman: the point is, despite what the references say, the 2.6.8-2 kernel did not come with megaraid.ko |
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| 21:17.08 | abrotman | it does too .. i just showed you |
| 21:17.13 | abrotman | i'll show you five more times if you like |
| 21:17.19 | pngwen | btw, I uninstalled kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 and reinstalled it and now I have the driver. |
| 21:17.35 | abrotman | i have 2.6.8-2-686 on many of my systems here .. hell .. i think one even uses megaraid .. and it works fine |
| 21:17.37 | stew | pngwen: does "dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686*.deb | grep megaraid" return a match? |
| 21:17.43 | pngwen | I have qualms about that because this machine has not had any users but me so far, and I didn't remove any modules. |
| 21:17.48 | abrotman | pngwen: so you're saying .. it just magically appeared ? |
| 21:17.55 | stew | pngwen: or dpkg -L kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 | grep megaraid? |
| 21:18.15 | pngwen | abrotman: some how it didn't get there when I first installed the kernel-image package. |
| 21:18.18 | pngwen | abrotman: not magic, just puzzling :-) |
| 21:18.28 | abrotman | bullshit |
| 21:18.38 | pngwen | hehe I agree |
| 21:18.43 | pngwen | but that's what it did |
| 21:18.47 | abrotman | you f'ed it up someohw |
| 21:18.49 | abrotman | somehow |
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| 21:19.56 | pngwen | ok, the only commands this machine had even seen up to the point were 'aptitude install kernel-image-2.6......' and then my editing of /etc/mkinitrd/modules and then a run of mkinitrd, followed by a reboot and a kernel panic |
| 21:20.10 | pngwen | at no point were any rf commands issued! |
| 21:20.48 | abrotman | how about an rm command? |
| 21:20.48 | abrotman | unlink ? |
| 21:20.48 | abrotman | mv ? |
| 21:20.48 | pngwen | obviously I can't type 'rm' so how could I ;-P |
| 21:21.10 | pngwen | nope, just those commands, that's it. First on my list was "install 2.6.8 and then proceed" |
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| 21:23.17 | abrotman | !moo |
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| 21:23.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:24.01 | pngwen | lol |
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| 21:24.34 | itguru | apt-get moo |
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| 21:27.23 | whitehorse1 | after installing a second hard drive, with an existing etch install, what's the best way to move filesystem section like /usr/local, opt, var over to the larger new ext3 partition - from the overcrowded original small hard drive? |
| 21:27.44 | streuner | dpkg, no moo is <reply> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo in a shell. |
| 21:27.45 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 21:28.30 | whitehorse1 | streuner: yay for easter eggs! :) |
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| 21:32.00 | hlieberman | For some reason (even though I've removed apache, apache2, and /etc/apache*), I still get a configuration file errors when I start it up. |
| 21:32.43 | stew | hlieberman: if you really want to get rid of them: dpkg -P apache2-common apache-common |
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| 21:33.55 | abrotman | streuner: oh come on .. if they can't figure that out .. they shouldn't be using debian :) |
| 21:33.58 | ma3x | can someone help me with vlc please? |
| 21:34.14 | hlieberman | stew, Then apt-get install aache? |
| 21:35.04 | hlieberman | s/aache/apache |
| 21:35.18 | stew | hlieberman: yes. if you only remove apache and /etc/apache then try to reinstall it won't reinstall the config files, /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 21:37.10 | hlieberman | stew, And then to reset the conf file to defaults? |
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| 21:38.00 | hlieberman | Ahh. I found it. |
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| 21:40.29 | hlieberman | No... the confmiss command did not function correctly. |
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| 21:41.11 | stew | hlieberman: what package did you reinstall with confmiss? |
| 21:41.17 | hlieberman | apache |
| 21:41.21 | stew | hlieberman: apache-common is the one that owns the config files, not apache |
| 21:41.27 | hlieberman | Heh. Thanks |
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| 21:43.42 | hlieberman | Hm... that's strange |
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| 21:45.17 | hlieberman | stew, However, I have tried apache-common, to no effect. It does not install configuration files. |
| 21:45.39 | stew | hlieberman: apt-cache purge apache-common && apt-get install apache |
| 21:45.42 | stew | no |
| 21:45.53 | stew | hlieberman: apt-get remove --purge apache-common && apt-get install apache |
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| 21:46.32 | hlieberman | shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 21:46.42 | hlieberman | Three of those when I try to start the init.d file. |
| 21:47.06 | stew | hlieberman: type "cd" then try again. the directory you are currently in has been removed |
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| 21:48.12 | hlieberman | stew, That works. Thanks man. :) |
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| 21:51.20 | Silent_al | hello , how can i leave a memo tho someone on this server? |
| 21:51.26 | Silent_al | to* |
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| 21:52.07 | stoned | Silent_al, register your nickname, then type /msg MemoServ help |
| 21:52.08 | stew | Silent_al: /msg memoserv help |
| 21:52.26 | stoned | oh man, that afternoon nap kicked ass |
| 21:52.32 | Silent_al | stoned,stew, thanx alot! :) |
| 21:52.39 | stoned | yw |
| 21:54.42 | [Gnea] | !usb install |
| 21:54.42 | dpkg | methinks usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 21:54.45 | [Gnea] | phew! |
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| 21:55.52 | tansaku | Hi, I'm trying to adjust my ruby package on debian sarge - all the apt information says I have version 1.8.2 but ruby --version gives me 1.8.4 |
| 21:56.21 | [Gnea] | tansaku: then tell apt that it's 1.8.4 |
| 21:56.46 | tansaku | I'd really like to switch to 1.8.2, but even after modifying my sources.list to be only stable respositories, running apt-get clean, and removing ruby and reinstalling it still says 1.8.4 from ruby --version |
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| 21:57.11 | tansaku | [Gnea]: how would I tell apt? and anyhow, what I want is 1.8.2 |
| 21:57.30 | [Gnea] | tansaku: then use 1.8.2. why is ruby saying that it's 1.8.4? |
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| 21:58.09 | tansaku | I want to use 1.8.2 but I can't seem to install it - I don't know why ruby is saying it is 1.8.4 - it really is 1.8.4 I believe |
| 21:58.11 | meriad | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.16 | meriad | I Just want this day to end today |
| 21:58.23 | meriad | now even. |
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| 21:58.33 | [Gnea] | tansaku: how are you even generating this .deb? from scratch? |
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| 21:58.57 | stew | tansaku: put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy ruby1.8 libruby1.8" into a pastebin |
| 21:59.17 | tansaku | [Gnea] I'm not generating the .deb - I'm pulling it from the repositories in sources.list |
| 21:59.28 | stew | tansaku: wait, have you been installing packages from testing onto a stable install? |
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| 21:59.39 | stew | tansaku: add libc6 after libruby1.8 |
| 21:59.48 | tansaku | stew: ah - now that says 1.8.4 |
| 22:00.11 | [Gnea] | tansaku: but you want the real 1.8.2, correct? |
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| 22:00.31 | nico8481 | hi |
| 22:00.55 | tansaku | http://pastebin.com/766231 |
| 22:01.26 | tansaku | [Gnea] - yes 1 want 1.8.2, but it sounds like I need to reinstall the package ruby1.8 |
| 22:02.07 | [Gnea] | tansaku: yeah, it'll be a bit of legwork - so what requires 1.8.2 that 1.8.4 can't provide for? |
| 22:02.23 | nico8481 | can you update a single package with apt? even if its latest version is already installed? (actually what i want it to re-install it but from a different repository than the one from where it has been installed before [that one repos has been removed from my sources.list since i don't want to use it anymore]) |
| 22:02.39 | stew | tansaku: there is no ruby 1.8.2 for testing, only for stable |
| 22:02.51 | stew | tansaku: you cannot mix testing and stable |
| 22:02.52 | tansaku | [Gnea] 1.8.4 introdudes problems for my rails app 1.8.2 works fine |
| 22:03.05 | [Gnea] | ah |
| 22:03.44 | nico8481 | also, is there a way to track which package has been installed from which repository? |
| 22:03.45 | tansaku | stew: yes I know, I'm trying to move this box to stable - it's our development machine. Production is on stable, and working fine with 1,8.2 - downgrading from testing to stable has been problematic, so I'm trying to just downgrade the ruby |
| 22:03.59 | [Gnea] | tansaku: well stew pretty much summed it up... the only real way would be to somehow generate a compliant 1.8.2 deb for testing |
| 22:04.00 | stew | tansaku: you cannot downgrade from testing to stable |
| 22:04.13 | stew | nico8481: not really |
| 22:04.33 | [Gnea] | tansaku: the only other solution is to backup and reinstall sarge |
| 22:04.35 | nico8481 | stew: for the latter question? :) |
| 22:04.42 | hmakholm | nico8481: If you think the pacakges are actually different, then first remove the old one from /var/cache/apt/archives, then 'apt-get --reinstall install foo' |
| 22:04.56 | nico8481 | thx hmakholm |
| 22:05.02 | tansaku | stew: so people keep telling me - although a colleage here keeps telling me I can, since he has does it several times - mail him at wingstro@hawaii.edu to ask him how he did it |
| 22:05.06 | hmakholm | nico8481: The system sort of assumes that all packages with the same name and version are identical |
| 22:05.31 | nico8481 | ok |
| 22:05.35 | azeem | tansaku: downgrading is not supported |
| 22:05.39 | tansaku | anyhow - stew/[Gnea] many thanks - I now have ruby 1.8.2 installed which is what I wanted |
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| 22:05.46 | azeem | it /might/ work in special cases |
| 22:05.50 | azeem | but it likely will not |
| 22:06.03 | tansaku | azeem: tell that to wingstro@hawaii.edu - he thinks it's easy - I'm just repeating what I've been told |
| 22:06.04 | stew | nico8481: there is no way to find out where a package was installed from |
| 22:06.12 | azeem | tansaku: I won't |
| 22:06.16 | Arafangion | tansaku: It's possible to downgrade, I managed to downgrade a Sid installation to Sarge, but it is absolutely not supported. |
| 22:06.24 | mike12341 | hi could anyone help me or point me in the right direction of getting acpi to work. |
| 22:06.39 | nico8481 | hmakholm: "Reinstallation of amarok is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." |
| 22:06.39 | Arafangion | tansaku: In a nutshell, you won't get any help, and the downgrade is unlikely to work easily. |
| 22:06.43 | [Gnea] | !acpi |
| 22:06.43 | dpkg | from memory, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 22:06.47 | azeem | tansaku: if he thinks it is easy - fine for him. But please do not advocate downgrades in here |
| 22:06.56 | stew | i've seen a bunch of 'instructions' for downgrading to stable but none of them included downgrading libc6 |
| 22:07.21 | hmakholm | nico8481: Are you sure it is in a repository you have in sources.list? Have you remembered to apt-get update after editing sources.list? |
| 22:07.25 | Arafangion | stew: Heh, my downgrade was eased by the fact that that particular sid hadn't been updated in a while ;) |
| 22:07.31 | tansaku | azeem: I'm not advocating them - just saying I was trying to do it :0) |
| 22:07.43 | Arafangion | stew: Like, a year :) |
| 22:07.55 | tansaku | weird thing about ruby is that there are ruby packages and ruby1.8 packages - kind of confusing |
| 22:08.00 | nico8481 | hmakholm: yes it is, yes i did |
| 22:08.06 | mike12341 | i have tried geting it to work, i have looked in my bios and there is an option to enable acpi which i have done but when i boot up there is a message saying my bios is to old and that the acpi has been disabled as my bios dosent support it |
| 22:08.19 | Arafangion | Anyway, I'm heading off. |
| 22:08.25 | Arafangion | Accounting exam. (Bleh) |
| 22:08.31 | hmakholm | nico8481: And at the same version than the package you currently have installed? |
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| 22:09.04 | [Gnea] | tansaku: if all else fails, apt-cache show ruby |
| 22:09.06 | [Gnea] | OOPS |
| 22:09.17 | nico8481 | hmakholm: how can i find out the version that is in the repository with apt-cache ? |
| 22:09.28 | stew | tansaku: the ruby pacakge is just a dummy package, it doesn't actually provide any functionality, its just there to depend on ruby1.8 |
| 22:09.30 | [Gnea] | tansaku: if all else fails, apt-cache show ruby | grep Version | awk '{print $2}' |
| 22:09.39 | [Gnea] | sorry, this keyboard is sensitive |
| 22:10.03 | hmakholm | nico8481: apt-cache showpkg amaraok |
| 22:11.01 | hmakholm | nico8481: But since there is not much that depends om amarok, why not just uninstall it and then install a fresh copy? |
| 22:11.45 | nico8481 | hmakholm: that's an idea :) but what about its dependencies? if i want them to be reinstalled from the same repos too? |
| 22:12.38 | hmakholm | nico8481: Then you have to trace what it is you want to have reinstalled. But *why* do you want that? Do you have any concrete reason to think that one mirror's copy of the packages will differ from another's? |
| 22:14.47 | hmakholm | nico8481: You aren't trying to do something like "sidegrade an installed system from ubuntu to debian" or vice versa, are you? That is rather unsupported from both sides. |
| 22:14.51 | nico8481 | hmakholm: well i don't think the versions are identical actually... i installed it first from czessi.net, that's a *cough*kubuntu*cough* german user group maintaining a repos of media-related stuff, but their versions seems to present a "visual layout" bug that none of the "official versione" users seem to have... |
| 22:15.39 | nico8481 | hmakholm: so i guess the 2 versions are somehow different |
| 22:16.08 | stew | nico8481: that kind of thing isn't supported here. we would recommend you install debian /msg dpkg d-i |
| 22:16.28 | nico8481 | hmakholm: i'm running kubuntu actually but well apt works the same way in both distro :) |
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| 22:17.04 | hmakholm | nico8481: As stew said, mixing ubuntu packages with debian ones is NOT SUPPORTED, either by Debian or by Ubuntu. |
| 22:17.13 | streuner | nico8481: you spoke about the package-system, not the packages itself... |
| 22:17.20 | [Gnea] | !dbugs 356273 |
| 22:17.24 | dpkg | #356273:I[dosfstools] dosfstools: [mkfs.vfat] usb format: infinite loop - drains all memory; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:33:04 UTC |
| 22:17.32 | nico8481 | hmakholm: i'm not mixing debian packages with kubuntu ones, all are kubuntu packages |
| 22:17.34 | [Gnea] | damn :( |
| 22:18.01 | nico8481 | hmakholm: i was just asking info about apt usage... |
| 22:18.12 | stew | nico8481: go to #kubuntu then, we dont' support kubuntu here |
| 22:18.14 | hmakholm | nico8481: #kubuntu |
| 22:18.35 | [Gnea] | ok, mkdosfs isn't affected. good. |
| 22:18.45 | nico8481 | ah... i tought the best place to get a clue about apt would be #debian but well... |
| 22:18.50 | nico8481 | thanks anyway |
| 22:19.23 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 22:19.24 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 22:19.43 | streuner | same with different distros based on debian |
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| 22:21.08 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 22:22.43 | nico8481 | stew: though, just want to clarify the fact that i wasn't asking for support about kubuntu, but information about apt |
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| 22:22.53 | nico8481 | but well ok i won't do it again ;) |
| 22:22.58 | petit | with apt-get, can I revert to an older version? |
| 22:23.18 | streuner | nico8481: if you talking about apt you are talking about the package-system |
| 22:23.29 | nico8481 | streuner: indeed |
| 22:23.36 | streuner | nico8481: if you talking about packages, you are talking about different packages. |
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| 22:24.08 | nico8481 | streuner: was asking info about the tool itself |
| 22:24.15 | streuner | nico8481: different depends, different maint., different base-system |
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| 22:24.40 | nico8481 | [00:02] <nico8481> can you update a single package with apt? even if its latest version is already installed? (actually what i want it to re-install it but from a different repository than the one from where it has been installed before [that one repos has been removed from my sources.list since i don't want to use it anymore]) |
| 22:24.44 | stew | nico8481: stop |
| 22:24.59 | nico8481 | streuner: read it, it's an apt question, not a distro-specific one |
| 22:25.06 | nico8481 | stew: please would be nice |
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| 22:25.16 | stoned | nico8481, and why can't anyone in #ubuntu tell you? |
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| 22:25.27 | stew | nico8481: this is not a general apt support channel or a channel for debian-based distros. just for debian. i'm sorry we're not able to help you. |
| 22:25.30 | stew | enough |
| 22:25.43 | stoned | nico8481, or do you want to bug us for no fucking apparant reason |
| 22:25.58 | stoned | -fword |
| 22:25.59 | stoned | :D |
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| 22:27.07 | nico8481 | stew: i don't thing you're not able to. you (personaly, i don't speak for everybody on the channel) are not *willing* to. but well you're right you don't *have* to. so thanks anyway |
| 22:27.17 | Trewas | #ubuntu is even more useless than usually now after dapper release, and that means really useless :P |
| 22:27.22 | nico8481 | stoned: nope i don't intend to bug sorry if i do |
| 22:27.30 | nico8481 | s/thing/think/ |
| 22:27.39 | stoned | nico8481, it is customary to go the your own distro's channel |
| 22:27.48 | [Gnea] | !ubuntu |
| 22:27.48 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 22:27.58 | stew | everybody drop it and move on please. thats enough |
| 22:28.03 | stoned | nico8481, next time, either don't mention you use non-debian, or go to your respective distro's channel |
| 22:28.43 | stoned | nico8481, what about manpages or www.debian-administration.com |
| 22:28.44 | stoned | etc. |
| 22:28.47 | nico8481 | stoned: i did both :) (well i didn't mention the non-debianness of the distro until i had to to help make sense about why i want to do what i want) |
| 22:28.56 | stew | stoned: nico8481: stop. |
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| 22:29.05 | Knorrie | !no, ubuntu is <reply> Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 22:29.12 | Knorrie | hehe |
| 22:29.28 | Knorrie | #ubuntu is at freenode |
| 22:29.35 | stoned | we are on freenode |
| 22:29.44 | Knorrie | dpkg answers at oftc also i guess |
| 22:29.46 | [Gnea] | !helixsmite Knorrie |
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| 22:30.08 | ma3x | what the hell is that oftc? |
| 22:30.12 | stoned | !oftc |
| 22:30.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 22:30.15 | ma3x | do I have to type /server irc.oftc.org or what? |
| 22:30.15 | Knorrie | and ubuntu changed url |
| 22:30.25 | stoned | ma3x, no, irc.debian.org |
| 22:30.36 | ma3x | so wtf is so important about oftc? |
| 22:30.38 | stoned | well, that other one too |
| 22:30.39 | [Gnea] | Knorrie: good, then they can figure it out in the proper forum :) |
| 22:30.43 | ma3x | #debian stays on irc.debian.org |
| 22:30.45 | stoned | !oftc move |
| 22:30.45 | dpkg | hmm... oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 22:30.47 | streuner | ma3x: uhm, irc.oftc.net would work too |
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| 22:31.01 | ma3x | but irc.debian.org won't stop working, right? |
| 22:31.04 | stoned | no |
| 22:31.05 | Knorrie | [Gnea]: figure what? |
| 22:31.08 | stew | ma3x: correct |
| 22:31.21 | [Gnea] | Knorrie: forget it. |
| 22:31.22 | ma3x | so it just moves to another data center? |
| 22:31.40 | azeem | ma3x: the dns entry moved, that is all |
| 22:31.49 | streuner | ma3x: it moves to another irc-server |
| 22:31.54 | azeem | Knorrie: I fixed it, thanks |
| 22:32.02 | ma3x | hah, everybody types /server irc.debian.org, and not the dns entry |
| 22:32.10 | Knorrie | azeem: tnx |
| 22:32.13 | streuner | ma3x: freenode, efnet, quakenet, oftc, undernet |
| 22:32.15 | ma3x | lol, is that for people without nslookup capability? |
| 22:32.16 | azeem | ma3x: eh, that is the point |
| 22:32.35 | azeem | ma3x: irc.debian.org used to point to irc.freenode.net, now it points to irc.oftc.net |
| 22:32.41 | [Gnea] | hehe, people are gonna shit their pants |
| 22:33.15 | ma3x | aha, ok. but both irc.freenode.net and irc.oftc.net work and are on the same network, right? |
| 22:33.22 | Knorrie | ma3x: no |
| 22:33.24 | [Gnea] | no |
| 22:33.28 | jjazz | ma3x: They are on different networks. That's the whole point. |
| 22:33.32 | streuner | ma3x: scroll up, what we told you |
| 22:33.34 | streuner | ma3x: freenode, efnet, quakenet, oftc, undernet |
| 22:33.37 | [Gnea] | ma3x: oftc is to freenode like efnet is to undernet |
| 22:33.44 | streuner | ma3x: all are different networks |
| 22:34.20 | streuner | ma3x: but there are servers which are together as network |
| 22:34.27 | jjazz | ma3x: People on freenote are not in the same #debian that people on oftc are in. |
| 22:34.40 | ma3x | [Gnea], what's efnet to undernet like? |
| 22:34.48 | [Gnea] | ma3x: crap ;) |
| 22:34.49 | azeem | ma3x: are you trolling? |
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| 22:34.54 | petit | I'm trying to imagine ma3x thinking : oh... there's more than this? |
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| 22:35.04 | ma3x | azeem, no! I'm serious |
| 22:35.16 | [Gnea] | ma3x: how long have you been using irc? |
| 22:35.18 | ma3x | alright, so everybody would have to register their nicks again? |
| 22:35.21 | ma3x | or is the data saved? |
| 22:35.23 | streuner | azeem: no, he searching for the ulitmative help - channel. |
| 22:35.41 | Vasistha | ma3x: it's a different network, so you would be registering you nick on that network |
| 22:35.42 | petit | ma3x: they are totally independant |
| 22:35.44 | azeem | ma3x: you can stay here if you want |
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| 22:36.01 | petit | they speak a different language |
| 22:36.04 | Trewas | ma3x: for most of the irc-networkd there is no "registering" a nick :) |
| 22:36.11 | ma3x | so where will the most people go? here or oftc? |
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| 22:36.15 | petit | they smell different too |
| 22:36.18 | azeem | ma3x: time will tell |
| 22:36.21 | azeem | petit: stop that |
| 22:36.26 | Knorrie | come on, it's just confusing for most of the people that there are 2 #debian channels right now, with ~750 people on freenode and ~200 on oftc |
| 22:36.29 | petit | sorry :P |
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| 22:36.33 | Knorrie | i'm on both :P |
| 22:36.47 | [Gnea] | ma3x: like, undernet is mercury, efnet is venus, freenode is earth and oftc is mars - each has their own nodes that work together on each planet, yet each are exclusive in the fact that they're different bodies :) |
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| 22:37.16 | ma3x | what's that with the bodies? you're involving yourself into erotics? |
| 22:37.21 | hobophobe | how come synaptic and apt-get aren't on the same page? |
| 22:37.29 | azeem | hobophobe: what page? |
| 22:37.40 | [Gnea] | hobophobe: different urls |
| 22:37.42 | hobophobe | azeem, I can updates in one that aren't found with the other |
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| 22:37.55 | deadcat | hobophobe: one starts with a and the other starts with s |
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| 22:38.30 | azeem | hobophobe: they have different algorithms to figure things out |
| 22:38.41 | [Gnea] | ma3x: erotically :P |
| 22:38.42 | hobophobe | I started apt-get update apt-get upgrade, none found, go into synaptic, reload, mark all, apply, there's updates, go back to apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, more updates, back into synaptic, reload, mark, apply, more updates... |
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| 22:39.07 | [Gnea] | hobophobe: maybe synaptic is running dist-upgrade |
| 22:39.13 | hobophobe | ah |
| 22:39.14 | hobophobe | true |
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| 22:40.23 | petit | is there a way to revert to an older version of a software with aptget? |
| 22:40.41 | streuner | petit: what package? |
| 22:40.44 | deadcat | petit: just dpkg -i blah-version.deb |
| 22:40.47 | Seb | petit: add snapshots.debian.net to your source list, and use install foo=1.2.3 |
| 22:40.51 | hobophobe | I believe there's apt-get install package=[version] or such? |
| 22:40.57 | ma3x | hm, #debian in oftc has only about 220 people. that's nothing, as here we have 710 |
| 22:41.01 | petit | awesome, thanks! |
| 22:41.11 | Seb | deadcat: i assume he doesn't have the older deb,you never have it when you *really* need to downgrade ;) |
| 22:41.16 | Seb | petit: more info at snapshots.debian.net |
| 22:41.21 | deadcat | Seb: so treu hehe |
| 22:41.23 | streuner | ma3x: a lot of idlers as well :-) |
| 22:41.33 | Seb | hobophobe: it sure can't downgrade like that |
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| 22:41.47 | Seb | hobophobe: since the official debian mirrors only keep one version at a time |
| 22:41.55 | Seb | deadcat: how's it hanging man ? |
| 22:42.06 | ma3x | yeah, all the time I was thinking I was connected to irc.debian.org, but now I saw in my server list, that under Debian Servers I have edited the entry with chat.freenode.net |
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| 22:42.08 | deadcat | hobophobe: ya. you making things up? |
| 22:42.24 | deadcat | Seb: not too shabby. just ditched centericq with bitlbee |
| 22:42.40 | Seb | deadcat: i've been considering that |
| 22:42.55 | Seb | deadcat: wanna write a nice howto ? ;) |
| 22:42.57 | deadcat | Seb: ya. good thing is that i dont have to install that thing on the system to use it. just connect to irc.net (= |
| 22:42.57 | petit | svn updated to using bdb 4.3 and apparently I need to dump my repository with a version that supports 4.2... thank you for the backward compatibility :( |
| 22:42.59 | Knorrie | Seb: bitlbee rocks |
| 22:43.02 | hobophobe | well if you've installed from deb and there's an older version at the mirror, =version will work, no? |
| 22:43.04 | deadcat | Seb: thats the howto hehe |
| 22:43.30 | Seb | hobophobe: the point is, there is no older versions on mirros |
| 22:43.35 | Seb | mirrors even |
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| 22:43.45 | Seb | deadcat: i guess i should try it |
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| 22:43.48 | hobophobe | uhh, yeah there is, if you've installed a nightly from the project, the mirror will be an older version than that. |
| 22:43.56 | Seb | deadcat: so is it like you have one IRC room per user or what ? |
| 22:44.00 | hobophobe | I mean, I get your point, and concede, but it's not universally true. |
| 22:44.10 | deadcat | Seb: if your passwd is sensitive. then you might want to run your own bitlbee i guess. but mine are not |
| 22:44.12 | Seb | hobophobe: k |
| 22:44.39 | Seb | deadcat: oh. So you mean you just connect to an existing one ? I hadn't even considered this option... |
| 22:44.51 | Seb | i need to read again on what exactly bitlbee does |
| 22:44.52 | deadcat | Seb: once you connect to a bitlbee server, it will join &bitlbee, it has you and the @root user, kinna like channelserv i guess. |
| 22:44.56 | Knorrie | Seb: all your contacts are in one channel, you can chat to them, or /query them |
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| 22:45.15 | Seb | Knorrie: ah, ok, i see |
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| 22:45.53 | Seb | deadcat: so you just switched simply cause now you don't have to have centericq installed on whatver box you happen to be on ? |
| 22:45.58 | Knorrie | Seb: you can try im.bitlbee.org, it's a public server, and #bitlbee on oftc is where the authors hang out |
| 22:45.58 | deadcat | Seb: jsut run help commands, you want to reg for your current account, the load your aim/icq stuff via the account add .... then thats it. you message buddies just like irc, username: blah or /msg username blah |
| 22:46.08 | Seb | deadcat: or is there any other added benefits ? |
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| 22:46.37 | deadcat | Seb: ya. that and fucking centericq cant/wont bind some vi keys for me.. and centericq d/c me without showing the status. |
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| 22:47.02 | Seb | deadcat: ah, emacs-fiend here, keybindings work fine ;) |
| 22:47.06 | deadcat | Seb: and you get less windows to manage in screen hehe |
| 22:47.27 | deadcat | Seb: haha. i couldnt even ^W to remove 1 word. |
| 22:47.28 | Seb | deadcat: well i run centericq in screen already, so i usually ssh to this screen session, hence no need to have centericq on the actual box i'm physically on |
| 22:47.36 | Seb | deadcat: :D |
| 22:48.13 | deadcat | Seb: now without centericq, i can split my screen to irssi/playmp3list/shell, before was irssi/centericq/shell |
| 22:48.34 | Seb | hehehe |
| 22:49.26 | Knorrie | :) |
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| 22:50.27 | petit | snapshots.debian.net doesn't seem to exist |
| 22:50.35 | streuner | !sdn |
| 22:50.35 | dpkg | somebody said sdn was go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 22:50.44 | streuner | maybe its down? |
| 22:50.59 | petit | ahhh, no "s" :) |
| 22:50.59 | abrotman | petit: no 's' |
| 22:51.06 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 22:51.11 | sng | abrotman: Stop slacking you lazy bum! |
| 22:51.43 | abrotman | sng: i'm not the one who left #-ot! |
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| 22:52.05 | sng | abrotman: You should! |
| 22:52.15 | abrotman | sng: i should? |
| 22:52.28 | sng | Yes! |
| 22:52.28 | abrotman | sng: i'd probably leave irc altogether then |
| 22:52.29 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:52.36 | sng | (not really just messing with you) |
| 22:52.55 | petit | I'm supposed to add that to /etc/apt/source.list and run apt-cache update, right? |
| 22:53.21 | [Gnea] | damnit, this usb flash won't boot :( |
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| 22:53.54 | abrotman | petit: you really need to read a man page or three |
| 22:54.11 | [Gnea] | i've done this before, successfully, following the 'flexible way' at http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 22:54.13 | petit | hehehe, alright :) |
| 22:54.19 | CcSsNET | gnea het a usb flash boot disk "floppy" |
| 22:54.22 | CcSsNET | get* |
| 22:54.46 | CcSsNET | you can find one for damnsmalllinux.org at there site it may work for you who knows |
| 22:54.48 | [Gnea] | CcSsNET: please read what that url has to say, it's the only way i've been able to do it |
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| 22:54.57 | [Gnea] | ok, i need to do this for sarge, not dsl |
| 22:55.07 | jhenn | is a pentium 133 enough to run sarge? |
| 22:55.14 | [Gnea] | jhenn: sure |
| 22:55.58 | abrotman | jhenn: yes |
| 22:56.05 | abrotman | jhenn: i have sarge on a 486 |
| 22:56.06 | mage | !slow computer |
| 22:56.24 | mage | pshaw you guys have a flag for everything else |
| 22:56.34 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 22:56.35 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 22:56.59 | Vasistha | abrotman: haha!! Why "rube goldberg"? |
| 22:57.13 | stew | Vasistha: go to his wikipedia entry |
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| 22:57.17 | abrotman | because .. i said so |
| 22:57.18 | jhenn | abrotman: lmao |
| 22:57.23 | jhenn | abrotman: never seen that |
| 22:57.24 | CcSsNET | gnea your doing it on mini itx systems eh |
| 22:57.25 | CcSsNET | hehe |
| 22:57.31 | [Gnea] | CcSsNET: no. |
| 22:57.40 | mage | jhenn: it's not really a question of can distro run on p133, its more a question of can the programs you want to use run on p133 |
| 22:57.44 | CcSsNET | well one in the list looked like it was |
| 22:57.52 | [Gnea] | it's a full atx with the ability to boot usb |
| 22:57.55 | CcSsNET | but anyway nice tutorial it seemed |
| 22:58.01 | abrotman | [Gnea]: i'm going to tell you how to do things you don't want to do .. and make stupid guesses .. ok? |
| 22:58.20 | [Gnea] | abrotman: and i'm going to question every single detail, ok? ;) |
| 22:58.21 | Vasistha | ah yes, of course, Rube Goldberg ... I didn't realize I actually kind of recognized the name |
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| 22:59.19 | abrotman | [Gnea]: have you tried booting from IEEE1394? |
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| 22:59.32 | [Gnea] | abrotman: do not have that ability at this time. |
| 22:59.51 | abrotman | [Gnea]: oh .. but i know a tutorial for it! |
| 23:00.15 | [Gnea] | abrotman: but i lack the necessary hardware :) |
| 23:00.15 | tonsofpcs | Anyone know what this error means (irssi, sarge): -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server irc.freenode.net port 6667 [Cannot assign requested address] |
| 23:00.28 | [Gnea] | tonsofpcs: sounds like dns error or a firewall |
| 23:00.30 | abrotman | [Gnea]: oh .. who cares .. maybe you can boot from serial port? |
| 23:00.43 | CcSsNET | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.46 | [Gnea] | abrotman: that's a faint possibility |
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| 23:01.04 | abrotman | [Gnea]: oh crap .. i forgot .. i have the BEST tutorial on installing over parallel port! |
| 23:01.30 | [Gnea] | abrotman: i'll install YOU on a parallel port if you don't get me that url ;) |
| 23:01.37 | [Gnea] | j/k :) |
| 23:02.12 | abrotman | [Gnea]: IIRC .. the transfer speed is a whopping .. hold on to your shoes .. 1MB/sec |
| 23:02.33 | tonsofpcs | [Gnea]: well dns is resolving for ping.... |
| 23:02.39 | [Gnea] | abrotman: beats the shit outta my old 14.4 modem :D |
| 23:02.57 | [Gnea] | tonsofpcs: could be the port |
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| 23:03.15 | abrotman | [Gnea]: i guess .. but of course .. you still need to download the ISOs :) |
| 23:03.28 | [Gnea] | abrotman: the ISOs have been secured. |
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| 23:03.50 | [Gnea] | !satai |
| 23:03.55 | [Gnea] | !sataii |
| 23:03.56 | abrotman | [Gnea]: have you tried this over USB? |
| 23:03.59 | [Gnea] | foo, wtf is satai? |
| 23:04.06 | gehidore | sata150 |
| 23:04.06 | basbryan | sata1 |
| 23:04.08 | gehidore | gosh |
| 23:04.09 | gehidore | arg |
| 23:04.16 | abrotman | [Gnea]: firstly .. change your stupid nick! |
| 23:04.18 | tonsofpcs | [Gnea]: well it happens with both freenode and dalnet... |
| 23:04.21 | [Gnea] | abrotman: that is the ultimate goal. |
| 23:04.25 | [Gnea] | abrotman: no! :D |
| 23:04.42 | [Gnea] | tonsofpcs: what about efnet and undernet? |
| 23:04.48 | [Gnea] | abrotman: punk ;) |
| 23:04.51 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:05.04 | tonsofpcs | [Gnea]: hold a sec, someone in #irssi has an idea ;) |
| 23:05.08 | gehidore | nobodies... |
| 23:05.27 | [Gnea] | gehidore: you better explain what SATAI/SATAII is |
| 23:05.32 | gehidore | wtf gnea |
| 23:05.38 | [Gnea] | ? |
| 23:05.39 | gehidore | sataI is the original sata 150 |
| 23:05.43 | abrotman | [gijoe]: it's freaking SATA specs .. like SCSI or SCSI320 .. |
| 23:05.47 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:05.48 | gehidore | sata II is the new sata 300 |
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| 23:05.53 | _llll_ | Hi, im having hardware issues with an internal cdrw drive: when i do 'mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /mnt', i just get "no medium found", it clsoes the tray, and the same cd works in the dvd drive... help! |
| 23:05.54 | [Gnea] | oh, why didn't you just say that? |
| 23:05.54 | gehidore | eg one claims to do 150MBps |
| 23:05.58 | abrotman | that's it .. fuck Gnea .. i can't handle fucking [] |
| 23:05.59 | gehidore | the other claims to do 300MBps |
| 23:06.00 | gehidore | arg |
| 23:06.08 | gehidore | if you have sata and you don't know this, then I don't want your hdparm |
| 23:06.09 | gehidore | lol |
| 23:06.13 | dos000 | anyone know a nice regexp debug tool for learning regexp so that given a string it higliths the matches |
| 23:06.17 | abrotman | gehidore: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:06.19 | gehidore | I want it from someone who knows... |
| 23:06.23 | gehidore | abrotman: ? |
| 23:06.27 | abrotman | just do it! |
| 23:06.31 | gehidore | I dont' wanna |
| 23:06.45 | abrotman | fine .. not going to give oyu my specs either |
| 23:06.51 | gehidore | lol |
| 23:07.08 | Vasistha | dos000: humm, kde has a graphical regex tool, but I haven't used it much. I usually just use a text editor with a snippet, and play around until I get it right |
| 23:07.15 | [Gnea] | actually i do have a SATA controller, but it's on a disconnected machine at the moment. |
| 23:07.59 | dos000 | Vasistha, which editor vim ? |
| 23:07.59 | gehidore | ... |
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| 23:08.16 | dos000 | Vasistha, i tried grep and it sucks |
| 23:08.20 | [Gnea] | !assume |
| 23:08.20 | dpkg | well, assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 23:08.21 | Vasistha | dos000: me? no. I've been using kate lately, although I've also used SciTe and perhaps a couple others |
| 23:08.25 | gehidore | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 23:08.25 | gehidore | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 23:08.25 | gehidore | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 23:08.25 | gehidore | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 23:08.25 | gehidore | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
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| 23:08.25 | abrotman | dos000: just play around with sed |
| 23:08.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:08.34 | abrotman | so much for that | tail -1 |
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| 23:08.52 | [Gnea] | !paster |
| 23:08.53 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
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| 23:08.58 | gehidore | lol it spammed the entire thing, not the last line |
| 23:08.59 | abrotman | next time .. use | tail -1 .. like i said the first time |
| 23:09.01 | dos000 | abrotman, it supporst all the regex you can find elsewhere ? |
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| 23:09.02 | gehidore | I did |
| 23:09.06 | Vasistha | dos000: yeah, grep is difficult to use for refining a regex, it's a little time consuming. Thing is, the syntax tends to vary a little from one implementation to the next, so if you need to use grep, it's probably best to develop it with grep |
| 23:09.08 | gehidore | but I accidentily did -l :p |
| 23:09.13 | gehidore | I dunno why |
| 23:09.15 | abrotman | dos000: nope .. some apps use their own |
| 23:09.18 | gehidore | I noobed it |
| 23:09.23 | abrotman | gehidore: -1 .. not -l |
| 23:09.27 | gehidore | aye |
| 23:09.28 | abrotman | try again |
| 23:09.29 | gehidore | I know I know |
| 23:09.32 | [Gnea] | !noob |
| 23:09.32 | dpkg | well, noob is Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 23:09.37 | abrotman | PEBCAK |
| 23:09.41 | gehidore | hey GNEA. |
| 23:09.45 | gehidore | eat me? |
| 23:09.50 | gehidore | ;p |
| 23:09.58 | [Gnea] | take your bad attitude elsewhere, please. |
| 23:09.59 | Vasistha | dos000: one thing to note: grep -E and sed -r both give "extended" implementations |
| 23:10.16 | gehidore | ii libc6 2.3.6-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:10.18 | gehidore | uhm no. |
| 23:10.35 | gehidore | your turd abrotman |
| 23:10.44 | abrotman | my what? |
| 23:10.49 | Vasistha | hehheh |
| 23:10.53 | gehidore | turn. |
| 23:11.12 | abrotman | you're abusing myself and gnea .. and you want me to help you? |
| 23:11.16 | gehidore | lol |
| 23:11.20 | gehidore | I didn't abuse you. |
| 23:11.26 | gehidore | wow. |
| 23:11.27 | gehidore | have fun. |
| 23:11.31 | gehidore | you asked for something I gave it |
| 23:11.39 | gehidore | you offered a return thing, then cut out on it. |
| 23:11.42 | gehidore | have fun. |
| 23:11.44 | sng | gehidore: pkg_add sense_of_humour. |
| 23:11.45 | gehidore | enjoy the string. |
| 23:11.48 | gehidore | no! |
| 23:11.51 | gehidore | I don't want humour! |
| 23:11.55 | abrotman | /dev/hda: |
| 23:11.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.57 | gehidore | but a hummer... |
| 23:11.59 | gehidore | that's not sata! |
| 23:12.00 | gehidore | omgz |
| 23:12.01 | abrotman | i wish i had SATA |
| 23:12.02 | gehidore | haha |
| 23:12.02 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:12.04 | gehidore | monster |
| 23:12.04 | [Gnea] | !repeat |
| 23:12.05 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:12.11 | abrotman | !tell gehidore about enter |
| 23:12.18 | abrotman | [Gnea]: MSG! |
| 23:12.35 | gehidore | well that was a waste of my time, now wasn't it? |
| 23:12.37 | gehidore | have a nice life. |
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| 23:13.08 | [Gnea] | heh |
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| 23:13.48 | petit | I'm installing from snapshot.debian.net, apt-get says "Setting up subversion (1.1.4-2)", svn --version says "version 1.3.1 (r19032)" who's lying? |
| 23:13.52 | Vasistha | wow... some people really just don't get it. I see it time and again, and it still somehow surprises me |
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| 23:13.57 | abrotman | Vasistha: i got it! |
| 23:14.17 | _llll_ | where can i read about CD writing under linux 2.6? i'm pretty sure my writer used to "just work" under 2.4, but now it doesnt even read CDs, so im thinking i need to load some module or other |
| 23:14.36 | Vasistha | !nickometer _llll_ |
| 23:14.37 | dpkg | '_llll_' is 14.000% lame, vasistha |
| 23:14.58 | Vasistha | _llll_: yeah, there are some issues... I think with cdrecord, under 2.6 |
| 23:15.06 | abrotman | _llll_: no more ide-scsi needed |
| 23:15.20 | _llll_ | cdrecord claims to recodnise the drive, but the drive refuses to believe there is anything in it |
| 23:15.31 | stew | petit: the version from svn --version comes from libsvn not from the subversion binary which is just a thin wrap wround the library |
| 23:16.04 | stew | petit: what version does "dpkg -l libsvn0" report? |
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| 23:16.44 | petit | stew: ohhhh!! :) |
| 23:16.48 | _llll_ | i dont have ide-scsi loaded, is there something that should be there instead? ide_cd and cdrom are the only modules matching cd i tihnk |
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| 23:21.41 | jade | my screen(1) is stuck, except i can detach it, but cannot type or modify the contents. any ideas how to fix? |
| 23:22.06 | Ronin | jade: ctrl q if i recall correctly but dont quote me on it |
| 23:22.34 | _llll_ | screen -x from another terminal might let you reattach |
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| 23:23.55 | r3tex | anyone know what happened to glxinfo and glxgears now with xorg-7.0 in etch ... /= |
| 23:24.23 | abrotman | !find bin/glxgears etch |
| 23:24.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/glxgears' (1): (/usr/bin/glxgears) in x11/mesa-utils. |
| 23:24.42 | r3tex | ahaa |
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| 23:28.50 | jade | ah well nothing worked so i killed the screen |
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| 23:29.07 | stew | jade: ctrl-a q |
| 23:29.10 | stew | (next time) |
| 23:29.44 | jade | stew, thanks... will try it |
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| 23:30.38 | deadcat | ^a? is usefull if you're new |
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| 23:32.32 | Knorrie | jade: perhaps you pressed ctrl-s ? that will block output until you do a ctrl-q |
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| 23:39.44 | comsa | ? |
| 23:40.18 | amphi | ¿ |
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| 23:40.54 | comsa | cool |
| 23:41.06 | Knorrie | ¿ |
| 23:42.33 | eurisko | using a realloc how can it give back NIL? |
| 23:43.32 | stew | eurisko: ask #c maybe |
| 23:43.48 | amphi | eurisko: if it fails |
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| 23:44.57 | eurisko | i though i was writing in C |
| 23:44.58 | d | hi, i'm new to debian and have a question concerning smp kernels... |
| 23:44.59 | eurisko | sorry eheh |
| 23:45.14 | d | does the debian installer have one by default? |
| 23:45.25 | abrotman | not by default .. but you can install one after the install |
| 23:45.26 | pipeline | d: No. |
| 23:45.30 | pipeline | d: You install one, then reboot. |
| 23:45.33 | d | ah |
| 23:45.43 | d | so i should get one through apt? |
| 23:45.44 | pipeline | d: I believe there's one on the CD by default, however |
| 23:45.46 | pipeline | d: Yes. |
| 23:45.54 | d | koolio |
| 23:46.03 | d | ty, you guys own! |
| 23:46.12 | deadcat | what we own? |
| 23:46.17 | d | zombies |
| 23:46.23 | d | and smp kernels |
| 23:46.57 | Knorrie | don't feed the zombies! :p |
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| 23:48.00 | d | what do you guys use? sarge, sid, or something else? |
| 23:48.07 | d | (just a quick question) |
| 23:48.16 | azeem | !poll |
| 23:48.17 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 23:48.17 | Knorrie | sarge for production box |
| 23:48.17 | deadcat | win98 |
| 23:48.44 | deadcat | i love win98, since all the virrus stuff are for xp and shits (= |
| 23:49.09 | r3tex | that was weird... |
| 23:49.49 | comsa | slack |
| 23:50.00 | comsa | slackware |
| 23:50.07 | r3tex | azeem, haha, I thought dpkg for a second wanted to see how many people used the window server Y, :D |
| 23:50.33 | comsa | slackware 10.2 |
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| 23:50.41 | Uber | hey |
| 23:50.48 | Knorrie | r3tex: rofl |
| 23:50.59 | Uber | where can i find the official apt sources? |
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| 23:51.15 | azeem | Uber: packages.debian.org/src:apt |
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| 23:51.37 | deadcat | whatever happend to apt-setup ? |
| 23:51.50 | azeem | it was part of base-config, RIP |
| 23:51.59 | deadcat | ah |
| 23:52.27 | Uber | azeem, source.list sources |
| 23:52.46 | azeem | Uber: run apt-setup |
| 23:52.49 | stew | Uber: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 23:53.02 | mackss | can someone hold my hand setting another IP on my box? |
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| 23:53.37 | [Gnea] | !interfaces |
| 23:53.37 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 23:53.45 | [Gnea] | mackss: check that out ^^^ |
| 23:54.00 | stew | mackss: look at /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz if you want to add a second address to a card, look for the examples with eth0:1 eth:2 etc |
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| 23:54.24 | mackss | Stew, ya but it always scares me :( |
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| 23:54.34 | alexbod1 | hekko everybody. anybody using user-mode-linux? |
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| 23:55.12 | stew | mackss: just create an section just like your eth0 named eth0:1, then "ifup eth0:1" |
| 23:55.19 | alexbod1 | s/hekko/hello/ |
| 23:55.27 | stew | mackss: if you want, setup the file until you think it is right then post it to a pastebin |
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| 23:56.09 | mackss | ok stew thanks |
| 23:57.06 | alexbod1 | anybody using user-mode-linux? |
| 23:57.13 | Knorrie | stew: i thougt ethx:y was deprecated in favour of ip addr add blah with iproute2 |
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| 23:58.24 | stew | Knorrie: i think ifconfig was "deprecated" like 10 years ago in favor of iproute but i don't see people flocking towards it. and I don't think ifupdown has support for adding multiple ips to an interfaces yet, does it? |
| 23:58.33 | stew | 10 is probably an exageration |
| 23:59.00 | abrotman | i don't even see a trickle towards it |
| 23:59.03 | Knorrie | stew: i sometimes use the 'ip up <command>' option |
| 23:59.12 | Knorrie | but i like iproute very much |
| 23:59.15 | deadcat | ip is not even on my system |
| 23:59.50 | alexbod1 | user-mode-linux networking stopped working since 2.6.16um upgrading |