| 00:00.19 | damog | Smelly cat, smelly cat. |
| 00:00.34 | deadcat | (= |
| 00:01.33 | alexbod1 | has user-mode-linux networking stopped working since 2.6.16um upgrading? |
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| 00:01.57 | mackss | stew, check your PMs :D |
| 00:02.13 | Knorrie | alexbod1: probably, seems like no one here knows the answer right now.. |
| 00:02.26 | stew | mackss: you should just paste here so everyone can help and get the benefits |
| 00:02.26 | Knorrie | !tell alexbod1 about repear |
| 00:02.28 | Knorrie | !tell alexbod1 about repeat |
| 00:02.32 | stew | mackss: i mean paste the url here |
| 00:02.35 | stew | don't paste the file here |
| 00:02.36 | mackss | http://pastebin.com/766409 |
| 00:02.53 | mackss | i don't think i need the 2nd auto eth0 |
| 00:03.11 | alexbod1 | thanks for your, answer, i'll try later |
| 00:03.20 | Knorrie | alexbod1: have fun |
| 00:03.22 | stew | mackss: the second auto should be eth0:1 if you want the interface brought up automatically at boot |
| 00:03.31 | alexbod1 | thanks, you too |
| 00:03.43 | stew | mackss: the :1 doesn't need a gateway, it will use the gateway from eth0 |
| 00:04.18 | stew | mackss: the :1 just needs address and netmask. neither entry needs network and broadcast, those you only specify if you are doing something non-standard |
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| 00:05.38 | Knorrie | mackss: and if you use iptables.. iptables doesn't know anything about eth0:1 etc, there's only eth0 with multiple addresses it sees (that's why i like the iproute way of thinking more :P ) |
| 00:06.44 | mackss | what about the dns stuff? |
| 00:06.53 | stew | mackss: you only need it on the primary interface eth0 |
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| 00:07.00 | mackss | ok |
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| 00:08.10 | mackss | so is this better? http://pastebin.com/766422 |
| 00:08.50 | stew | mackss: looks good. now if you "ifup eth0:1" then "ifconfig" you should see your new eth0:1 interface |
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| 00:09.06 | Set | hello all |
| 00:09.51 | Set | I'm looking for a tool that sends out one ping request to all IP's in a given range, to see if it responds. Because I can't remember the IP adress to my AP |
| 00:09.58 | mackss | /etc/network/interfaces:21: too few parameters for iface line |
| 00:09.58 | mackss | ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 00:10.03 | basbryan | netcat? |
| 00:10.12 | stew | Set: ping your network address or you broadcast address |
| 00:10.23 | Knorrie | mackss: iface eth0:1 inet static |
| 00:10.28 | mackss | shit |
| 00:10.30 | stew | whoops, |
| 00:10.59 | Knorrie | Set: nmap |
| 00:11.43 | mackss | Knorrie, http://pastebin.com/766428 is that better? |
| 00:11.53 | mackss | and stew |
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| 00:11.58 | stew | yes |
| 00:12.02 | mackss | ok cool |
| 00:12.03 | Knorrie | mackss: yes try the ifup |
| 00:12.20 | daqqal | stew: hello, ho are things then |
| 00:12.27 | mackss | Don't seem to be have all the variables for eth0:1/inet. |
| 00:12.27 | mackss | Failed to bring up eth0:1. |
| 00:13.05 | stew | daqqal: fine |
| 00:13.09 | stew | mackss: eth0 is already up? |
| 00:13.25 | mackss | eth0 works if thats what you mean |
| 00:14.16 | mackss | could it be that i don't have access to .11? |
| 00:14.38 | stew | mackss: no |
| 00:14.47 | stew | mackss: do you have a trailing newline in that file? |
| 00:15.45 | Knorrie | mackss: do not want to confuse you, but this is how i would fix this: http://pastebin.com/766431 (make sure you install the iproute package) |
| 00:16.01 | GoCooL | in order to associate a hostname to my network interface, i add it in the /etc/dhclient.conf file under the send host-name directive, right? |
| 00:16.39 | Knorrie | GoCooL: that works if your dns server allows dynamic dns update |
| 00:16.40 | Knorrie | s |
| 00:17.08 | mackss | Knorrie, you lost me |
| 00:17.19 | mackss | stew, there is a line at the end but i can't make it go away |
| 00:17.24 | GoCooL | Knorrie: what other options do i have? |
| 00:17.43 | Knorrie | mackss: then forget what i said |
| 00:17.47 | stew | mackss: you need to make sure that there is at least one (more is fine) return at the end of the file |
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| 00:18.05 | Set | re |
| 00:18.10 | GoCooL | Knorrie: i'm really not sure if the dhcp server allows for dynamic updates |
| 00:18.11 | Knorrie | apt: wb |
| 00:18.12 | apt | It's great to be back! |
| 00:18.30 | Knorrie | GoCooL: depends on what you mean by 'associate a hostname to my network interface' |
| 00:18.34 | Set | nmap might do the trick for me. Can anyone tell me how to make it send ping requests to every IP adress in a given subnet? |
| 00:18.47 | Knorrie | Set: man nmap |
| 00:18.50 | amphi | Set: man nmap |
| 00:18.56 | stew | Set: did you try pinging the network or broadcast address? |
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| 00:19.02 | mackss | stew, i did add 2 to the end and it still gives me the variables error |
| 00:19.06 | Set | nmap -sP <what do I type here?> |
| 00:19.14 | GoCooL | Knorrie: well, i'm just trying to get my ip address resolve to an hostname.domain_name |
| 00:19.18 | mackss | Knorrie, if i did what you did would it work? |
| 00:19.18 | Knorrie | Set: network/prefix |
| 00:19.27 | Set | Knorrie, thanks a lot :) |
| 00:20.08 | Set | awesome. that did the trick. /me bows for the helpful people |
| 00:20.21 | Knorrie | mackss: sure, but without the typo -> http://pastebin.com/766437 |
| 00:21.06 | Knorrie | GoCooL: then you need to tell the authoritative nameserver for your ip what name you have |
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| 00:22.05 | GoCooL | Knorrie: then what's the 'send host-name' directive in /etc/dhclient.conf for? |
| 00:22.05 | Knorrie | mackss: ip (iproute) is a really wonderful tool http://www.policyrouting.org/iproute2-toc.html |
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| 00:22.35 | GoCooL | Knorrie: only for servers that allow dynamic updates on the dns name? |
| 00:22.41 | mackss | Knorrie and stew, I spelled address wrong in the eth0:1 part hahahaha |
| 00:22.49 | Knorrie | GoCooL: exactly |
| 00:23.15 | stew | one can never count on /me to catch speling mistakes |
| 00:23.17 | Knorrie | !lart mackss |
| 00:23.21 | Knorrie | woops |
| 00:23.22 | mackss | lol |
| 00:23.22 | Knorrie | :\ |
| 00:23.26 | mackss | ok ifup worked |
| 00:24.22 | mackss | ifconfig says it's working |
| 00:24.29 | Knorrie | nice |
| 00:24.32 | mackss | :D thanks Knorrie and stew |
| 00:24.39 | mackss | sorry about my typo :( |
| 00:24.44 | Knorrie | hehe |
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| 00:25.57 | mackss | cheers |
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| 00:27.23 | richiefrich | are there any repos for Flock ? or must i compile from source |
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| 00:28.22 | abrotman | !flock |
| 00:28.28 | abrotman | what is flock? |
| 00:28.36 | Knorrie | http://www.flock.com/tour/ |
| 00:28.41 | abrotman | and if you say a crappy band from the 80s .. i kill for fun and money! |
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| 00:29.19 | Knorrie | My News: Become your own media moron^H^H^Hgul (hehe sorry) |
| 00:30.01 | Knorrie | richiefrich: i guess it's not packaged yet by anyone |
| 00:30.15 | richiefrich | Knorrie darn |
| 00:30.21 | abrotman | richiefrich: check apt-get.org |
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| 00:30.29 | richiefrich | ok ty |
| 00:31.11 | tc | hi, i used debian before, i like it so much, but my lap-top had no 3d acceleration; then i tried suse, suse can give me the 3d acceleration for default, but i dont like suse~~~ i want to switch back to debian, but some one can tell me how can i use the information that suse has to get 3d in Debian??? |
| 00:31.28 | tc | the video card is ATI IGP 320 |
| 00:31.39 | abrotman | !tell tc about ati debs |
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| 00:32.54 | sid | With gnome every 20 minutes my screen goes black/blank. I'm trying to watch a movie and it's annoying. |
| 00:32.57 | sid | How can I turn this off? |
| 00:33.07 | abrotman | Option "DPMS" "Off" |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | just a guess ... |
| 00:33.27 | richiefrich | anyone a cron syntax expert ? im tryin to get it to --> 11am on every Monday and i have this now --> 0 11 * 1 * exec mysqldump |
| 00:33.36 | richiefrich | is that right ? |
| 00:33.51 | amphi | richiefrich: man 5 crontab would tell you |
| 00:34.08 | sid | abrotman, me? |
| 00:34.10 | widrone | !tell widrone about nvidia debs |
| 00:34.17 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 00:34.17 | dpkg | dpms is probably know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 00:34.25 | tc | abrotman, the problem is this packages doesnt support my video card~ |
| 00:34.32 | abrotman | tc: it doesn't? |
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| 00:35.12 | tc | nope, i have tried before, and you can see the video card list, there is not mine, IGP 320 |
| 00:35.23 | abrotman | so how does suse make itw work? |
| 00:35.30 | richiefrich | amphi im using a crappy cron then |
| 00:35.33 | tc | abrotman, i mean IGP 340 |
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| 00:35.44 | richiefrich | it doesnt have man 5 crontab :) |
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| 00:36.02 | tc | abortman,nope, i have tried before, and you can see the video card list, there is not mine, IGP 340 |
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| 00:36.42 | abrotman | is that a laptop? mobo? |
| 00:36.45 | gravity | Yeah IGP 340 |
| 00:36.51 | gravity | Sucky sucky sucky, but I've got it |
| 00:37.09 | abrotman | you got it working? |
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| 00:37.56 | gravity | Er... wait... I forget exactly which number I have |
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| 00:38.10 | gravity | Yeah, 340M |
| 00:38.12 | gravity | Works greawt |
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| 00:40.42 | gavagai | is the installation of ubuntu and debian going to recognize the same hardware, or might they recognize different things? i just installed ubuntu and have no sound and it won't recognize my slave drive and the video resolution only goes to something ridiculous. i'm wondering if i just need to fix those problems, or if maybe a debian install might do a better job? |
| 00:40.58 | gavagai | i have a debian testing net install cd right here so i'm tempted |
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| 00:43.25 | mackss | you guys can't help me with apache2 vhosts handling a different IP can you? apache2 is soo much different than apache and #apache isn't much help :( |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | the docs at httpd.apache.org should help you |
| 00:44.37 | mackss | k |
| 00:44.47 | dondelelcaro | gavagai: they should see almost all of the same hardware; but go ahead and try. |
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| 00:52.23 | aT-Fusion | i insatlled apache then libapache-mod-php4 and it isnt working i edited httpd.conf and i uncommented the 2 lines is there anything else i need to do? |
| 00:52.33 | mackss | abrotman, debian apache2 is different than most others..the vhost stuff in in sites-availible where most others are in httpd.conf |
| 00:52.44 | abrotman | mackss: it's no different |
| 00:52.53 | deadcat | aT-Fusion: the module file |
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| 00:53.08 | aT-Fusion | deadcat what do i do to it ? |
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| 00:53.29 | b0xy|CoreDuo | http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6756/cat5wa3kw5rw.jpg |
| 00:53.30 | b0xy|CoreDuo | lol |
| 00:53.31 | deadcat | aT-Fusion: look for the php stuff |
| 00:54.03 | aT-Fusion | deadcat i am in the modules file is ther ea website or something i can use to put in there... |
| 00:54.28 | Knorrie | mackss: if you understand what's going on in the configuration files, it's no different indeed |
| 00:54.54 | deadcat | aT-Fusion: dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 00:54.55 | guerra | stoned: hey man, still cant get that ssh thing to work! |
| 00:55.18 | deadcat | aT-Fusion: or apache-common |
| 00:55.19 | aT-Fusion | deadcat thanks.. |
| 00:55.32 | guerra | stoned: im sure the forward is right....but dont know whats hapenning |
| 00:56.08 | mackss | Knorrie, it's much different than apache it seems to me |
| 00:56.51 | Knorrie | mackss: not really, just split up into several files |
| 00:57.59 | mackss | Knorrie, well http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/ip-based.html tells me to add the stuff to httpd.conf but debian has other places it wants it go go...where do i put it? |
| 00:58.59 | mackss | there is httpd.conf, sites-availible/default, sites-enabled/000-default |
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| 00:59.18 | mackss | that leaves a lot of room for confusion :( and apache.org says nothing about the last 2 |
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| 01:00.01 | aT-Fusion | deadcat thanks a bunch bud |
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| 01:00.22 | deadcat | (= |
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| 01:02.59 | mackss | oh and lets not forget apache2.conf :-/ |
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| 01:07.35 | unhappy | hey |
| 01:07.57 | abrotman | !beer unhappy |
| 01:08.12 | unhappy | can you help me w/ mount |
| 01:08.37 | unhappy | i'm dinking pilsner |
| 01:08.39 | deadcat | unhappy: man mount |
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| 01:09.34 | unhappy | i know how to use mount j... but i can only use it as root ... but i wanna mount a dir into a regular user home ... anyway .. i mount it and the user cannot see the content ... how can i make appropriate premmisions |
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| 01:10.03 | abrotman | on the mount point ? |
| 01:10.21 | deadcat | unhappy: so you DONT know how to use mount then |
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| 01:10.27 | unhappy | mount point /home/unhappy |
| 01:10.34 | deadcat | thats it? |
| 01:10.58 | gavagai | i tried to "rmmod via82cxxx' (the driver i added for my crappy onboard audio, which i've now disabled in the bios) but it says 'device or resource busy' ! |
| 01:11.00 | unhappy | mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /home/unhappy ... then unhappy cannot see the content ... what's worong |
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| 01:11.16 | deadcat | unhappy: man mount you lazy bum |
| 01:11.25 | Maquiavelo | Anyone has installed courier + postfix + mysql ? |
| 01:11.39 | Maquiavelo | I'm having an issue with mysql 5 and courier-authmysql from Sarge |
| 01:11.46 | widrone_camping | !anyone |
| 01:11.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:11.49 | unhappy | i did it but i don't know what what are appropriate masks for gid uid fmask dmask |
| 01:11.50 | abrotman | sarge doesn't have mysql5 |
| 01:11.59 | abrotman | Maquiavelo: read the docs at www.postfix.org |
| 01:12.01 | r121 | unhappy: mount -t ntfs -o uid=unhappy,gid=unhappy,umask=220 /dev/hda1 /home/unhappy |
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| 01:12.30 | unhappy | where can i find list of masks ... like ... what is "220" |
| 01:12.39 | danl | does anyone know what package the default font 'cursor' is in? |
| 01:12.44 | deadcat | unhappy: man chmod |
| 01:13.00 | unhappy | man chmod |
| 01:13.04 | dondelelcaro | danl: probably xfonts-base |
| 01:13.08 | unhappy | .. f.. wrong windows |
| 01:13.09 | Maquiavelo | abrotman That's odd, I apt-cache show mysql-server and it shows version 4.0, but when I try to install it, it installs mysql-server_5.0.22-2_all.deb |
| 01:13.11 | r121 | unhappy: umasks are weird... like chmod values, except they list what permissions are NOT there (and by the way, I meant 227) |
| 01:13.12 | deadcat | unhappy: and search umask |
| 01:13.14 | danl | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 01:13.23 | abrotman | Maquiavelo: there is no mysql5 in sarge |
| 01:13.48 | r121 | unhappy: so 227 gives user and group read and execute permissions, and no permissions to everybody else |
| 01:14.01 | unhappy | r121, just one thing ... how can you put that actual user name for uid and gid .. aren't they supposed to be numbers |
| 01:14.35 | alexbod1 | user-mode-linux networking seems to have stopped with udev and/or 2.6.16 package on testing. is yours working? |
| 01:14.37 | r121 | they can be I think, but it works with user/group names. that's the way I do it |
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| 01:15.15 | gnat_x | i am having troubles wih my ethernet card. i get a kernel: eth0: No MII transceivers found! in te syslog. hisjust started happening, and the other thing is that the nic still works in wondows. |
| 01:15.32 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: where do you guys make those debian tshirts? and how $ each? we are planning to do that for openbox tshirts and sell them (= |
| 01:15.42 | k-man | is a celeron mendocino a PII or PIII? |
| 01:15.44 | gnat_x | errr this just and windows |
| 01:16.02 | k-man | or how can i tell if my CPU is pII or PIII from the command line? |
| 01:16.04 | deadcat | k-man: it doesnt matter. since it will suck either way |
| 01:16.16 | docta_v | lmao |
| 01:16.16 | k-man | deadcat, right! thanks.... |
| 01:16.19 | deadcat | k-man: /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:16.22 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: taggart actually took care of making them; I think they were in the $7-8.50 range |
| 01:16.34 | deadcat | cool thanks |
| 01:16.45 | k-man | deadcat, it doesn't actually say if its PII or PIII |
| 01:16.46 | deadcat | k-man: just bought the celeron? |
| 01:16.51 | deadcat | damn |
| 01:16.55 | widrone_camping | gnat_x: you upgrade lately? Got the mii module loaded? Tried mii-diag or mii-tools ? |
| 01:17.27 | abrotman | k-man: what speed is it ? |
| 01:17.35 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: is there a website? |
| 01:17.56 | k-man | deadcat, no, its an old computer i have.... very old... but i don't recall if its pII or PIII |
| 01:18.03 | k-man | 467Mhz |
| 01:18.10 | abrotman | that's a PIII |
| 01:18.14 | k-man | it is? |
| 01:18.16 | deadcat | k-man: just go with p2. |
| 01:18.16 | k-man | cool |
| 01:18.17 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure anyways |
| 01:18.18 | k-man | thanks |
| 01:18.19 | tc | gavagai, you got 3d of IGP340M???? |
| 01:18.20 | k-man | oh |
| 01:18.21 | abrotman | k-man: why does it matter? |
| 01:18.25 | unhappy | holy shit .. it worked but the only problem is that "-o....... blababl" had to be AFTER "/dev/hda1" |
| 01:18.31 | k-man | just want to select the correct option in the kernel config |
| 01:18.36 | gnat_x | widrone_camping: i think i upgraded the other day. and i haven't tried either of those. thanks that sems like a god place to start. |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | k-god: eh .. why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 01:19.06 | widrone_camping | gnat_x: I got stuck on the needing the module loaded pat after some upgrade once. See if that is there. |
| 01:19.18 | k-man | abrotman, i presume youwere asking me... |
| 01:19.26 | abrotman | k-man: yes |
| 01:19.34 | k-man | abrotman, because i want to... |
| 01:19.50 | abrotman | k-man: you might be able to tell with the cpu family/model/model name/stepping |
| 01:20.05 | k-man | model 6? |
| 01:20.07 | abrotman | or watch the BIOS when you turn it on |
| 01:20.09 | k-man | stepping 5? |
| 01:20.42 | deadcat | k-man: it AINT gonna matter. |
| 01:20.42 | deadcat | believe me |
| 01:20.57 | r121 | unappy: that's wierd, I thought it was supposed to go before |
| 01:20.57 | k-man | ah, google says its p2 |
| 01:21.00 | k-man | anyway |
| 01:21.04 | k-man | thanks guys |
| 01:21.14 | deadcat | r121: you slow! |
| 01:21.20 | abrotman | k-man: http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/12/20/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts_part_1/page13.html |
| 01:21.23 | gnat_x | widrone_camping: this is wierd, after the machine has been siting powered down a couple of hors, it works fine when i start it up. |
| 01:21.26 | deadcat | r121: he got what he wanted and left long ago |
| 01:21.36 | abrotman | k-man: i'm really pretty sure it's PIII .. or maybe even a celeron |
| 01:21.43 | r121 | deadcat: so he did :P |
| 01:21.45 | Dewi | deadcat: he left 21 seconds earlier |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | k-man: regardless .. it's 686 |
| 01:21.50 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:21.51 | Dewi | deadcat: not exactly "long ago" |
| 01:22.34 | r121 | whatever, my part text is too dark to pay attention to |
| 01:22.44 | abrotman | k-man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_microprocessors |
| 01:22.59 | abrotman | k-man: it's a celeron |
| 01:23.08 | widrone_camping | gnat_x: Wha? Sure its not some flookey cable that is somewhat broken too, that way its gotta be the rite kind of solar flare activity for it to work. What kind of card is this? |
| 01:23.36 | abrotman | afaict anyways |
| 01:23.40 | widrone_camping | gnat_x: I think Id like to "stay away" from it maybe... =) |
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| 01:23.48 | k-man | yeah, its a celeron mendocino |
| 01:23.52 | k-man | and im sure its a pII |
| 01:23.54 | k-man | well |
| 01:23.57 | k-man | i think its a pII |
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| 01:24.22 | r121 | don't suppose there's a way to make Firefox use the KDE-style open/save dialog as opposed to the Gnome (or I suppose GTK) one? Short of drastic changes to the code? |
| 01:24.33 | deadcat | just stick with p2.. damn its a freakin celeron |
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| 01:24.39 | deadcat | no one care |
| 01:24.56 | usual | is anyone using debian on a HP dl140 with a SATA raid controller card?? |
| 01:25.02 | abrotman | it's a celeron ... it's going to suck no matter what :) |
| 01:25.13 | deadcat | abrotman: hahah |
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| 01:25.38 | abrotman | "Intel: I'd like a CPU with no L2 cache .. kthxbye" |
| 01:25.55 | abrotman | and basically no cache at all |
| 01:26.00 | magyar | can anyone tell me what happend to ide-scsi module in etch? |
| 01:26.17 | abrotman | in 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 01:26.39 | k-man | abrotman, well.. it was free and its all i have right now |
| 01:26.40 | magyar | 2.6.15 |
| 01:26.45 | k-man | so.... it will have to do |
| 01:26.47 | abrotman | you don't nee dit |
| 01:26.55 | alexbod1 | ide-scsi is deprecated |
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| 01:27.05 | k-god | abrotman: I'm not ;-) |
| 01:27.13 | magyar | abrotman: i cant get the "travan ide" tapebackup to work |
| 01:27.18 | k-god | abrotman: Car? |
| 01:27.21 | magyar | without ide-scsi |
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| 01:28.08 | abrotman | magyar: eh .. for real? |
| 01:28.28 | alexbod1 | sorry to hear, maybe a newer version of the tape software would do? |
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| 01:29.18 | magyar | abrotman: yeap |
| 01:29.26 | magyar | abrotman: am fucked now |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | i broke my find |
| 01:29.32 | abrotman | magyar: i doubt it |
| 01:29.49 | magyar | abrotman: how do i get it to work? |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | eh .. wtf |
| 01:30.36 | abrotman | wtf .. maybe they did remove it |
| 01:31.13 | abrotman | there's no ide/atapi tape driver? |
| 01:32.16 | abrotman | !find ide-tape sarge |
| 01:32.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ide-tape' (4 of 18): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-tape.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k6/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-tape.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-tape.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-tape.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386. |
| 01:32.31 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:33.19 | abrotman | sng: !! |
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| 01:33.28 | alexbod1 | !find user-mode-linux |
| 01:33.30 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'user-mode-linux' (2): user-mode-linux ;; user-mode-linux-doc. |
| 01:33.41 | sng | Yay! |
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| 01:34.15 | abrotman | sng: answer damog's funny questino in #-ot! |
| 01:34.37 | alexbod1 | uml networking has stopped with udev and/or 2.6.16 package on etch. is yours working? |
| 01:34.40 | sng | abrotman: msg it to me. |
| 01:34.50 | abrotman | sng: an SF or a SF ? |
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| 01:35.38 | damog | sng: 'a star' or 'an star'? |
| 01:35.51 | abrotman | no .. that's not valid |
| 01:35.55 | abrotman | it's of course "a star" |
| 01:36.03 | abrotman | the thing is that SF means SourceForge |
| 01:36.04 | damog | :( |
| 01:36.25 | tc | gravity, are you there?? |
| 01:36.27 | sng | Hmmm. |
| 01:36.35 | gravity | tc: Er... yes? |
| 01:36.56 | sng | damog: 'an star' and 'an SF' both sound odd to me. |
| 01:37.01 | tc | gravity, you got 3d acceleration of IGP 340M on debian?? |
| 01:37.07 | gravity | tc: Yes |
| 01:37.10 | tc | gravity, how did you do that?? |
| 01:37.17 | gravity | tc: Um... default install of Xorg |
| 01:37.30 | abrotman | sng: "I'm working on an SF project" assuming you don't expand SF |
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| 01:37.50 | gravity | tc: It won't work with what's in stable |
| 01:37.53 | tc | gravity, default??? you sure you have 3d enable??? |
| 01:37.58 | gravity | tc: Yes |
| 01:38.00 | gravity | I'm sure |
| 01:38.03 | sng | abrotman: I did not. "sourceforge"? |
| 01:38.08 | tc | gravity, what version are you using?? |
| 01:38.14 | gravity | tc: 7.0 |
| 01:38.25 | abrotman | sng: right |
| 01:38.35 | sng | abrotman: Still sounds odd. |
| 01:38.35 | gravity | tc: What are you running? |
| 01:38.39 | tc | gravity, testing debian version?? |
| 01:38.41 | deadcat | is it true that AIGLX is in 7.1? |
| 01:39.00 | abrotman | sng: it does .. but i mean .. you call it an "ess" curve .. not "a ess" curve |
| 01:39.02 | gravity | tc: Ok. If you want to put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a paster, I can take a look and maybe tell you more |
| 01:39.16 | tc | gravity, i am runing suse now, but i was running debian testing |
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| 01:39.46 | tc | gravity, where can i paste?? |
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| 01:39.58 | gravity | tc: I can tell you this: almost all of the work on the Debian Xorg packages was done on a machine with an IGP340M and there was no sign of DRI breakage in that timeframe |
| 01:40.07 | gravity | tc: /msg dpkg paster |
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| 01:43.52 | tc | gravity, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2769 |
| 01:44.37 | sng | abrotman: Right. But that is, of course, not the same sound that 'sourceforge' starts with. I could give you the Linguistics 101 lecture on the subject but it's really boring. :) |
| 01:44.43 | tc | gravity, then you mean, right now default install of Debian will give 3d?? |
| 01:44.53 | abrotman | sng: no .. but it is the same as "SF" |
| 01:44.56 | tc | gravity, but before nope? |
| 01:44.58 | abrotman | as in S F |
| 01:45.03 | gravity | tc: Yes, although you need a newish kernel. |
| 01:45.09 | gravity | tc: 2.6.x should do |
| 01:45.47 | gravity | tc: Er... according to this you do have 3d acceleration |
| 01:46.03 | sng | abrotman: True.... |
| 01:46.05 | sng | Ah well. |
| 01:46.13 | abrotman | damn damog |
| 01:46.22 | sng | Hehe. |
| 01:46.28 | gravity | tc: What does "glxinfo | grep -i direct" say? |
| 01:46.48 | tc | gravity, yes, cause i am running suse... suse give the 3d accelration default.. i dont have to install any more, but i dont like suse |
| 01:47.05 | lanchow | anyone tested lxdoom ? i'm blocked at level 3 |
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| 01:47.22 | tc | gravity, direct rendering: Yes |
| 01:47.50 | gravity | ugh |
| 01:48.01 | gravity | tc: Ok... running SuSE and giving me this output is 100% useless |
| 01:48.20 | deadcat | hahaha |
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| 01:48.24 | gravity | tc: If you want to run SuSE fine, go ask for help in a suse channel |
| 01:48.43 | tc | no~~~, i want to change back to debian |
| 01:49.05 | tc | gravity, would like you to tell me how to do it... |
| 01:49.14 | tc | gravity, :D, please |
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| 01:49.29 | gravity | tc: Dude... I can't tell you anything. I'm no magician. |
| 01:49.37 | emmettshear | So, I accidentally filled up my entire 36 gb disk, and now I need to reclaim some space |
| 01:49.38 | gravity | tc: I have no idea what's wrong with your system without the information I asked for. |
| 01:49.46 | emmettshear | I deleted about 1 gb of files |
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| 01:49.53 | emmettshear | but df still reports 100% usage |
| 01:49.55 | emmettshear | and it's really slow |
| 01:49.59 | emmettshear | what should I do? |
| 01:50.13 | gravity | Anyway, I'm done with this. I have better things to do |
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| 01:50.54 | magyar | i have a problem with etch. When I issue the "reboot" or "halt" command the system doest reboot. It just hangs on Shutting down samba server. It will only continue to shutdown if i press the keyboard a few times. SOS |
| 01:51.04 | emmettshear | (I suppose I'm partially asking how df calculates usage %s) |
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| 01:51.18 | tc | gravity, did how can i get xorg 7.0?? cause i was using an older version when i was running debian. |
| 01:51.31 | tc | gravity, unstable?? |
| 01:51.31 | gravity | tc: It's in testing. 6.9 will work for you though. |
| 01:52.12 | Knorrie | emmettshear: did you delete files at the right partition (i assume yes) 2. look for data hidden under a mountpoint in use (caused me headaches once) |
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| 01:52.32 | tc | oh, gravity, let me try again, i hate suse, hahahaa |
| 01:52.48 | emmettshear | Knorrie: yes, I believe so...there's only one non-boot partition |
| 01:52.52 | emmettshear | 2. how do I do that? |
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| 01:53.34 | beefcake | libtcl8.4.so.0 |
| 01:53.41 | beefcake | what package do i need to apt-get to get that? |
| 01:54.00 | deadcat | beefcake: apt-cache search lib tcl |
| 01:54.31 | Knorrie | emmettshear: i once moved lots of data and mounted a partition on a directory that wasn't empty, but i guess that's not your problem |
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| 01:55.11 | beefcake | deadcat |
| 01:55.16 | beefcake | that give sme a billion hits i did that already |
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| 01:55.31 | emmettshear | there seems to be room to create new files; the main problem seems to be that drive access is very slow and grindy (presumably due to fragmentation?)....is there a way to defragment in Linux? |
| 01:56.22 | deadcat | beefcake: look through them you lazy bastard |
| 01:56.26 | beefcake | i did |
| 01:56.28 | beefcake | nothing that matched it |
| 01:57.00 | usual | anyone use a HP DL140? |
| 01:57.10 | deadcat | beefcake: tcl8.4-dev maybe |
| 01:57.39 | Knorrie | emmettshear: what filesystem? ext2/3? reiserfs? btw: nice article http://www.itworld.com/Comp/3380/nls_unixfrag040929/index.html |
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| 01:58.43 | Bitz | hi, what is command of capturing all the programms i have installed on a sys and use to reproduct the exact install on another system? |
| 01:58.50 | Knorrie | emmettshear: fsck seems to report fragmentation % |
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| 01:59.12 | deadcat | Bitz: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 01:59.16 | FaithX | hey guys, I have a booting problem... I had a failing drive which I managed to get all the data off... I have loaded grub onto the new drive but it seems that when it comes to load the initrd it fails, even though the disks are pratically identical. |
| 01:59.37 | emmettshear | yeah...reading the article... |
| 01:59.40 | Knorrie | Bitz: look at something like dpkg --get-selections |
| 02:00.03 | Bitz | thanks |
| 02:00.15 | Bitz | deadcat ccsf? |
| 02:00.21 | FaithX | actually we might be past initrd ... not sure |
| 02:00.21 | Knorrie | Bitz: and dpkg --set-selections of course :) |
| 02:00.24 | deadcat | Bitz: was. you?> |
| 02:00.33 | Bitz | hehe |
| 02:00.40 | deadcat | Bitz: haha how you know? |
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| 02:01.01 | Bitz | just a guest |
| 02:01.06 | deadcat | right! |
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| 02:01.51 | magyar | When I issue the "reboot" or "halt" command the system doesn't reboot. It just hangs on "Shutting down samba server". It will only continue to shutdown if i press the keyboard a few times. |
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| 02:03.29 | Knorrie | magyar: and when you don't hit the keyboard? |
| 02:04.53 | magyar | Knorrie, it just sits there. If I hit the "return" key it continues to shutdown |
| 02:05.10 | Knorrie | that's weird, never seen that |
| 02:05.13 | Knorrie | :| |
| 02:05.20 | magyar | anyone using a Travan tapedrive? |
| 02:05.26 | deadcat | magyar: add -x to the samba init script and see what the output is |
| 02:05.59 | vvviper|a | is there any way to get apt so that it ignores unmet dependencies? I have a package installed that works but has unmet dependencies because they aren't available for the architecture and every time I run apt-get update or upgrade it complains about it |
| 02:06.28 | Bitz | dpkg --get-selections (generate a lists for --set-selections use)? |
| 02:06.36 | deadcat | Bitz: yes |
| 02:06.42 | beefcake | hrmz deadcat its not in that package |
| 02:06.43 | beefcake | i already have that |
| 02:06.45 | deadcat | vvviper|a: not recommended |
| 02:06.46 | Bitz | cool |
| 02:07.01 | deadcat | beefcake: insatall them all |
| 02:07.35 | vvviper|a | deadcat: it's log4net and it requires mono which isn't available for sparc |
| 02:08.09 | magyar | deadcat: i can /etc/init.d/samba restart without issues |
| 02:08.12 | vvviper|a | so i compiled and installed mono manually which is great...but apt doesn't know about it |
| 02:08.19 | deadcat | vvviper|a: maybe you can build a phony virtual package |
| 02:08.21 | tc | how to install debian testing??? the best way is download the net boot disc from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and then change the source url for apt to get testing packages??? |
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| 02:08.29 | Knorrie | Bitz: see the examples section of man dpkg |
| 02:08.35 | magyar | deadcat: i am not infront of that system |
| 02:08.40 | deadcat | magyar: no clue then |
| 02:08.57 | vvviper|a | deadcat: ahh good idea...any documentation on that process? |
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| 02:09.17 | deadcat | vvviper|a: dh_make |
| 02:10.08 | vvviper|a | deadcat: k thanks |
| 02:10.19 | Bitz | sure |
| 02:10.22 | Knorrie | vvviper|a: perhaps you can ignore it by putting the package on hold with dpkg (i'm not sure) |
| 02:10.45 | vvviper|a | Knorrie: yeah i was wondering about that too |
| 02:10.54 | tc | how to install debian testing??? the better way is download the net boot disc from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and then change the source url for apt to get testing packages??? |
| 02:11.03 | vvviper|a | it's just ONE small package |
| 02:11.08 | vvviper|a | liblog4net1.2-cil |
| 02:11.09 | deadcat | tc: if it works. go for it |
| 02:11.12 | Knorrie | vvviper|a: man dpkg: hold A package marked to be on hold is not handled by dpkg, unless forced to do that with option --force-hold |
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| 02:11.27 | tc | deadcat, ???? |
| 02:12.05 | Knorrie | tc: i guess the netinstall is quicker |
| 02:12.24 | Knorrie | tc: deadcat means whatever you want, both should work i think |
| 02:15.02 | tc | Knorrie, how did you install testing? cause almost all are using testing, right?? |
| 02:15.57 | Knorrie | tc: all what? i use sarge on production boxes |
| 02:16.39 | Knorrie | tc: currently my desktop is ubuntu dapper (/me hides :P) i debootstrapped that lol |
| 02:16.52 | deadcat | HAHAHAHA |
| 02:16.53 | tc | Knorrie, all of us .. hehe .. you are running sarge?? oh .. |
| 02:17.03 | deadcat | Knorrie: thats brave.... |
| 02:17.06 | tonsofpcs | I'm running sarge |
| 02:17.19 | deadcat | tc: no. 33% each |
| 02:17.24 | tonsofpcs | and I guess this box is production now, since it's online and i'm not changing much on it |
| 02:17.35 | Knorrie | tc: the mp3 box/router in my student house is running etch |
| 02:17.36 | Sivik | are there not codecs for xine or mplayer in debian via apt-get? |
| 02:17.55 | Sivik | !codec |
| 02:18.23 | Knorrie | !marillat |
| 02:18.23 | dpkg | marillat is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 02:18.39 | tc | deadcat, oh, oh, i just tknow tha |
| 02:19.02 | deadcat | tc: that 1% left are ubuntu users here |
| 02:19.48 | tc | tc, hahah .. ubuntu, what's the difference between ubuntu and debian?? |
| 02:20.02 | tc | deadcat |
| 02:20.09 | deadcat | dont know |
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| 02:20.43 | Knorrie | ubuntu does lots of promotion and aims at ENOCLUE desktop users |
| 02:21.04 | tonsofpcs | Knorrie: know what clue where huh ha! |
| 02:21.24 | Knorrie | tonsofpcs: :) i use both |
| 02:22.02 | Knorrie | but i like debian at the server </troll> |
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| 02:23.27 | beefcake | anyone know where i can get 'libtcl8.4.so.0' |
| 02:23.43 | tonsofpcs | yes |
| 02:24.15 | beefcake | what package contains it? |
| 02:24.21 | Knorrie | beefcake: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libtcl8.4&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 02:24.23 | deadcat | !find libtcl8.4.so.0 |
| 02:24.23 | DerJamster | beefcake: apt-get install apt-file |
| 02:24.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libtcl8.4.so.0' (1): (/usr/lib/libtcl8.4.so.0) in interpreters/tcl8.4. |
| 02:24.36 | DerJamster | beefcake: apt-file update && apt-file search libtcl8.4.so.0 |
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| 02:26.28 | beefcake | tx |
| 02:26.51 | rpedro | hello |
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| 02:29.50 | beefcake | bah videolan server doesnt connect :x |
| 02:30.04 | tonsofpcs | beefcake: yea, it's having issues |
| 02:30.06 | rxed | Is there a way to limit a range of 'free' addresses that are given out by DHCP server? In other words, I just want to give an IP to machines that I have MAC address for. |
| 02:30.08 | tonsofpcs | we know ;) |
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| 02:30.29 | deadcat | rxed: config your dhcp server |
| 02:30.47 | rxed | let me re-phrase my question: Is it possible to disable DHCP address range for computers without a static assignment? In other words, if I don't have your Mac address you don't get an IP from me. |
| 02:31.29 | deadcat | rxed: yes. config your dhcp server to do so |
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| 02:32.05 | Knorrie | rxed: yes, only use static leases, and no pool |
| 02:32.05 | rxed | deadcat: dude. |
| 02:32.10 | deadcat | rxed: dude nothing |
| 02:32.17 | rxed | Knorrie: what is the option for that? |
| 02:32.26 | Knorrie | rxed: man dhcpd.conf |
| 02:32.31 | Knorrie | :P |
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| 02:32.35 | rxed | Knorrie: ah, you are clueless too. |
| 02:32.41 | Knorrie | no i use that myseld |
| 02:32.42 | deadcat | either way you have to config your damn dhcp server |
| 02:32.43 | Knorrie | f |
| 02:32.56 | happy000 | hi |
| 02:32.59 | Knorrie | but you should read the docs and know what you're doing |
| 02:33.15 | rxed | deadcat: it is configured. I need to deny DHCP pool for non-registered computers. |
| 02:33.16 | happy000 | I am trying to get my new debian box to give me 1024 not 800-600 |
| 02:33.20 | happy000 | helpp |
| 02:33.29 | happy000 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:33.32 | happy000 | is hat someone gave me |
| 02:33.35 | deadcat | rxed: then you're not doing a good job with the config file then |
| 02:33.41 | happy000 | I did it but log out n log back in and no difference |
| 02:33.47 | happy000 | do I have to reboot? |
| 02:33.47 | rxed | deadcat: ah, you are so anal toda. |
| 02:33.51 | deadcat | happy000: no reboot. |
| 02:34.00 | happy000 | how do I up the reso? |
| 02:34.04 | deadcat | rxed: its the truth. what the fuck |
| 02:34.15 | deadcat | !dxrr happy000 |
| 02:34.18 | rxed | deadcat: I know it's the truth, I would said it if it wasn't. :) |
| 02:35.01 | happy000 | dxrr? |
| 02:35.25 | deadcat | happy000: what you did is right. have you messed with your x config file before running that command? |
| 02:35.31 | happy000 | no |
| 02:35.39 | happy000 | but how do I make it take effect? |
| 02:35.53 | deadcat | happy000: did you select the 1024 AND 800? |
| 02:36.02 | happy000 | the little desktop reso tool in gnome still wont show 1024x760 |
| 02:36.06 | happy000 | no |
| 02:36.07 | deadcat | happy000: ctrl+alt+back space |
| 02:36.09 | happy000 | 1024 by itself |
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| 02:36.15 | RobNyc | !ati |
| 02:36.16 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
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| 02:36.25 | Sivik | ati sucks for linux |
| 02:36.32 | Sivik | ati doesn't like linux |
| 02:37.00 | beefcake | any other place i can get that file from since videolan is down? |
| 02:37.13 | tjousk | I've never had trouble with any of the ati cards I've had, but then, I've only had two... |
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| 02:37.20 | RobNyc | lol |
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| 02:37.45 | deadcat | tjousk: they want video accel. theres no problem if you use generic drivers |
| 02:37.45 | happy000 | hey that worked! |
| 02:37.48 | happy000 | wo hoooooo |
| 02:38.00 | happy000 | I love linux in 1024 |
| 02:38.02 | happy000 | :) |
| 02:38.06 | happy000 | thanks whoever that was |
| 02:38.12 | deadcat | !tell happy000 about enter |
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| 02:41.23 | abrotman | Sivik: nvidia sucks .. nvidia doesn't like linux |
| 02:41.47 | deadcat | !start a hardware war |
| 02:41.49 | Sivik | abrotman: thats bs |
| 02:41.59 | Sivik | abrotman: nvidia supports drivers in linux, ati doesn't |
| 02:42.16 | Sivik | and nvidia cards are better anyways |
| 02:42.19 | deadcat | Sivik: they both work on linux. maybe you just dont know how |
| 02:42.23 | SquareGuy | sure they do ?!? |
| 02:42.32 | Sivik | deadcat: they both work, its just a little easier for nvidia |
| 02:42.48 | happy000 | I have an old server at work here |
| 02:42.52 | happy000 | it has 2 procesors |
| 02:42.56 | abrotman | Sivik: nvidia releases closed source drivers .. just like ATI |
| 02:42.59 | abrotman | they both suck |
| 02:43.00 | happy000 | I have debian 3.1 on it now |
| 02:43.06 | Daveman | Good evening, abrotman. |
| 02:43.10 | deadcat | happy000: stop hitting the enter/return key |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 02:43.17 | Daveman | Hello :) |
| 02:43.18 | happy000 | using gaim, now how can I know if this debian distro is using both processors? |
| 02:43.46 | deadcat | happy000: uname -r, if you dont see smp, then its not |
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| 02:44.21 | happy000 | gavin-1:/home/gavin# uname -r |
| 02:44.21 | happy000 | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 02:44.29 | sid | If I'm using Debian GNU / Linux with gnome, is there some kind of power management utility I should install? LIke when the screen goes blank or dims, and hdd speed etc. To save battery life when AC power isn't plugged in. |
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| 02:44.32 | happy000 | oh damn it its not, how do I enable SMP |
| 02:44.44 | happy000 | I also did a cat of /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:44.51 | happy000 | 1 cpu showed |
| 02:44.53 | happy000 | damn it |
| 02:45.10 | deadcat | happy000: apt-cache search kernel image smp and stop hitting the fucking enter key |
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| 02:45.40 | SquareGuy | he sadi fucking :P |
| 02:46.03 | SquareGuy | damn i can't type sorry folks. |
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| 02:46.19 | SerajewelKS | SquareGuy: nobody said you couldn't swear here |
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| 02:46.29 | happy000 | please can I have that apt-cache command again I logged off by accident |
| 02:46.46 | deadcat | happy000: apt-cache search kernel-image smp |
| 02:46.47 | SquareGuy | i was only teasing with the ":P" |
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| 02:48.06 | happy000 | ok that gives me a huge lsit, I am guessing since these are intel chips the kernel image with smp and intel is the one to apt-get? |
| 02:48.43 | deadcat | happy000: just get the one with smp 686 |
| 02:48.55 | happy000 | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP. |
| 02:49.06 | deadcat | get that shit |
| 02:49.11 | abrotman | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 02:49.16 | abrotman | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:49.23 | happy000 | but currently my kernel is gavin-1:/home/gavin# uname -r |
| 02:49.23 | happy000 | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 02:49.24 | abrotman | !tell me about ep |
| 02:49.39 | happy000 | will apt-get sort out any other stuff |
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| 02:49.44 | happy000 | (default install) |
| 02:49.51 | SerajewelKS | happy000: define "any other stuff" |
| 02:49.53 | deadcat | happy000: then get a 2.4. do you want us to spoon feed your ass? |
| 02:50.05 | happy000 | well all the programs here that use 2.4 kernel;? |
| 02:50.06 | SquareGuy | is it common for you guys to end up banging your heads on the walls after a while? |
| 02:50.12 | happy000 | ok |
| 02:50.17 | SerajewelKS | happy000: no program uses a specific version of a kernel |
| 02:50.19 | abrotman | SquareGuy: why? |
| 02:50.25 | deadcat | SquareGuy: with dude like him.. yes. |
| 02:50.26 | SquareGuy | frustration |
| 02:50.26 | SerajewelKS | happy000: except for kernel modules |
| 02:50.31 | vonneu | anyone knows if debian mail list accepts mail with attachment? |
| 02:50.39 | abrotman | SquareGuy: may i introduce you to /ignore :) |
| 02:50.46 | SerajewelKS | vonneu: it will, presumably if the attachment is not infected with a virus |
| 02:50.46 | happy000 | oh |
| 02:50.47 | SquareGuy | heheh i know |
| 02:50.48 | abrotman | vonneu: they should .. depending on the attachment |
| 02:50.53 | happy000 | linux is cooler the mroe I find out about it |
| 02:50.56 | happy000 | :) |
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| 02:51.12 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 02:51.13 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 02:51.32 | vonneu | SerajewelKS: does it check for the virus in the attachment? |
| 02:51.39 | KillerBee | can any one explain me how i can get svgalib_helper module? |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | vonneu: are you going to send a virus ? |
| 02:52.09 | vonneu | i have failed to send mails w attachment. |
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| 02:52.22 | abrotman | vonneu: what's in the attachment? |
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| 02:52.59 | vonneu | abrotman: they are log fails. but the mail didn't get thrpo/ |
| 02:53.05 | vonneu | thro'. |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | just put them in the text of the email then |
| 02:53.33 | vonneu | syslog is quite big. |
| 02:54.17 | happy000 | once I install the smp kernel package do I need to reboot? |
| 02:54.33 | deadcat | happy000: yes |
| 02:54.38 | abrotman | vonneu: then put it on your webserver with a URL |
| 02:54.54 | happy000 | seriously? |
| 02:55.03 | deadcat | happy000: what you think? damn |
| 02:55.04 | abrotman | troll ? |
| 02:55.26 | vonneu | abrotman: those free webserver that i use have limited storage time. |
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| 02:55.51 | abrotman | vonneu: eh .. oh well ? |
| 02:56.02 | abrotman | vonneu: i gave you a solution .. you didn't like it .. |
| 02:56.32 | SerajewelKS | vonneu: use a pastebin |
| 02:56.35 | vonneu | abrotman: no, the solution is to find out why the mail list is not accepting my mail. |
| 02:57.02 | vonneu | it would be good for the maillist as well as the mailer. |
| 02:57.04 | abrotman | vonneu: tried contacting the list archive maintainer? |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | vonneu: what's the rejection notice you get? |
| 02:57.53 | vonneu | abrotman: no notification. the mail is not on the list even after a couple of days. |
| 02:57.55 | magyar__ | anyone using a Travan tapedrive? |
| 02:58.16 | abrotman | vonneu: so contact the listarchive maintainer |
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| 02:58.37 | vonneu | i think that is the last resort. |
| 02:58.50 | abrotman | so you don't want help? |
| 02:58.52 | abrotman | i don't get it |
| 02:59.00 | abrotman | you don't want to contact hte people who run it ... |
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| 02:59.07 | abrotman | you don't want ot include the text in the email |
| 02:59.11 | abrotman | you don't want to use a webserver ... |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | what the hell do you want? |
| 02:59.35 | vonneu | abrotman: i am saying that that's what i am going to do. talk about miscommunication. |
| 02:59.36 | magyar__ | can i revert to 2.6.8 kernel for etch? |
| 02:59.53 | deadcat | magyar__: yes. just install the kernel |
| 02:59.58 | abrotman | vonneu: i told you how to resolve your issue .. you didn't like any of those ideas |
| 03:00.04 | vonneu | abrotman: i want your arse. |
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| 03:00.18 | magyar__ | deadcat: do you know where i could get that kernel? |
| 03:00.41 | deadcat | magyar__: snapshot.debian.net or from stable maybe. but not sure |
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| 03:02.31 | drobilla | I just booted my amd64 sid system for the first time in a month.. no updates?? what gives? |
| 03:02.41 | drobilla | tried two different mirrors |
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| 03:02.57 | stew | drobilla: amd64 is now in the main repositories, update your sources.list |
| 03:03.28 | stew | drobilla: you probably have somehting like http://someserver/debian/debian-amd64/ change that to http://someserver/debian |
| 03:03.34 | drobilla | stew: ah. t/y |
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| 03:04.30 | deadcat | drobilla: thats what you get for using unstable and without touching the machine in that much time |
| 03:04.50 | magyar | anyone using tapebackups? |
| 03:04.56 | deadcat | magyar: no |
| 03:05.18 | deadcat | abrotman: every baseball player seems juiced now.. kinna suck |
| 03:05.18 | tonsofpcs | yes |
| 03:05.38 | abrotman | deadcat: Grimsley is a punk! :) |
| 03:05.39 | sid | !tell magyar about anyone |
| 03:05.50 | tonsofpcs | !tell tonsofpcs about anyone |
| 03:06.00 | deadcat | abrotman: you think albert pojoul is juiced? |
| 03:06.15 | abrotman | deadcat: eh .. possibly |
| 03:06.41 | tonsofpcs | well I still use tape backups, even if I'm not in the set of anyone ;) |
| 03:06.42 | deadcat | abrotman: ya. i am not sure. but i bet fucking jason giambi is still on htat shit.. |
| 03:06.43 | magyar | loking for a tapebackup software for etch |
| 03:07.10 | abrotman | deadcat: perhaps .. |
| 03:07.11 | happy000 | I would liek the thank all the kind folks here who helped me achieve 1024 and smp |
| 03:07.17 | happy000 | this is jsut awesome |
| 03:07.20 | drobilla | deadcat: the machine died, thanks |
| 03:07.29 | deadcat | drobilla: no problem. |
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| 03:08.00 | tonsofpcs | magyar: sorry, I use tape backup on WindowsNT (at work) and on MS DOS 6.22 (the tape holds more than the hdd, what do you want?) |
| 03:08.10 | abrotman | ide-tape ? |
| 03:08.12 | tonsofpcs | but I'm guessing tar would be a good choice. |
| 03:08.28 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: I like my answer better ;) |
| 03:08.40 | drobilla | I may drop to testing though. unstable is irritating at times |
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| 03:11.27 | magyar | abrotman: Travan ide |
| 03:11.36 | abrotman | ide-tape! |
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| 03:12.04 | magyar | abrotman: what about it? |
| 03:12.16 | abrotman | it's a module |
| 03:12.54 | magyar | abrotman: and what is it suppose to do for me. Does it provide access to st? |
| 03:13.03 | abrotman | trry it! |
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| 03:13.09 | magyar | or /dev/st0? |
| 03:14.16 | magyar | abrotman: modprobe ide-tape doesnt load |
| 03:14.28 | abrotman | idetape .. sorry |
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| 03:15.06 | magyar | abrotman: ide_core 115664 6 ide_tape,ide_generic,ide_disk,ide_cd,piix,generic |
| 03:15.21 | abrotman | so use it |
| 03:15.22 | magyar | de_tape 33008 0 |
| 03:15.36 | abrotman | find the device it creates .. use it |
| 03:15.48 | happy000 | how do I find what version of x im on? |
| 03:15.59 | gravity | happy000: X -version |
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| 03:17.13 | karrot-x | how do you make a cover letter for a resume? |
| 03:17.15 | menko | hello people, what's the best program to use to download a directory (with subdirectories and files) from an ftp server if I want to have easy bandwidth control while it's downloading? I tried d4x, but it tries to download too many files at once and the server blocks me out... |
| 03:17.19 | KillerBee | how can I see what a package installs in bin |
| 03:17.24 | SerajewelKS | karrot-x: type it |
| 03:17.34 | gravity | KillerBee: dpkg -L yourpackage | grep bin |
| 03:17.40 | KillerBee | thx |
| 03:17.43 | happy000 | hmm |
| 03:17.49 | dondelelcaro | menko: just use lftp with mirror |
| 03:17.54 | happy000 | debian is nice I must admit |
| 03:17.56 | happy000 | :) |
| 03:18.02 | happy000 | redhat is a killer here at work |
| 03:18.03 | SerajewelKS | gravity: does Xorg 7.0 in etch cause any problems with nvidia nonfree drivers? |
| 03:18.08 | gravity | SerajewelKS: I dunno |
| 03:18.25 | magyar | i am looking for a software package that would backup to a tape device? |
| 03:18.41 | SerajewelKS | gravity: the transitional xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-nvidia but i cannot find a package that satisfies this for the nonfree drivers |
| 03:18.58 | menko | dondelelcaro: before I download it, is it possible to change it's bandwidth usage while it's running? |
| 03:18.59 | gravity | SerajewelKS: Nor will you |
| 03:19.36 | SerajewelKS | gravity: i don't mind installing like -vesa or something to quiet dpkg, but this still doesn't tell me if the nonfree drivers work with 7.0 |
| 03:19.50 | dondelelcaro | menko: no, but you can restart the mirror command if you want |
| 03:19.52 | gravity | SerajewelKS: They're supposed to |
| 03:20.09 | amphi | menko: wget probably |
| 03:20.17 | gravity | SerajewelKS: But the package dependencies have no bearing on whether or not something in non-free works with the X server |
| 03:20.29 | gravity | SerajewelKS: You're looking in entirely the wrong place to learn what you want to know |
| 03:20.43 | SerajewelKS | gravity: so where do you suggest i look |
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| 03:21.14 | gravity | SerajewelKS: wiki.debian.org and the nvidia-glx bug reports page |
| 03:21.23 | gravity | SerajewelKS: Also the debian-user list archives |
| 03:21.37 | SerajewelKS | gravity: already tried the wiki, will give the others a shot |
| 03:21.56 | gravity | SerajewelKS: I know there's stuff in the wiki in the Xorg69To7 page about the nvidia driver |
| 03:22.02 | menko | the problem with these is that it's a pain to change the bandwidth while it's running, I guess I'd have to exit then restart the program with a different switch, but I'd prefer being able to change it while it's running, since some of the files would take more than an hour to download |
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| 03:22.10 | SerajewelKS | gravity: oh, must not have found it in the search |
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| 03:22.21 | happy000 | why does debian use xfree86 instead of xorg? |
| 03:22.35 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 03:22.35 | SerajewelKS | happy000: the next version of debian uses xorg |
| 03:22.53 | stew | happy000: at the time the last debian stable released xorg wasn't ready yet |
| 03:23.11 | amphi | happy000: there's an xorg backport for sarge, if you need it |
| 03:23.18 | deadcat | happy000: because you have stable. we use testing and unstable |
| 03:24.00 | debian | happy000: sarge still use xfree86 yes |
| 03:24.48 | happy000 | oh |
| 03:24.48 | SerajewelKS | gravity: hrm, mentions that the debian stuff is broken, but it was fixed in unstable on may 26th |
| 03:24.59 | happy000 | I was tinkering with arch linux |
| 03:25.04 | happy000 | an interesting distro |
| 03:25.05 | gravity | nvidia-glx isn't my responsibility |
| 03:25.10 | deadcat | happy000: we dont care |
| 03:25.15 | happy000 | adn they use x7 but I couldnt get it installed with the doc |
| 03:25.17 | SerajewelKS | gravity: yeah just thinking out loud |
| 03:25.17 | happy000 | oh |
| 03:25.22 | happy000 | sorry |
| 03:25.29 | amphi | happy000: I've heard various people speak well of it |
| 03:25.35 | SerajewelKS | gravity: oh hrm, nvidia-glx is completely gone from testing ATM |
| 03:25.53 | debian | happy000: count me out, i'm not for tinkering |
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| 03:27.07 | bjohnson | any way to capture input from a serial port to a file and have the file limited in size so it doesn't get too big? |
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| 03:27.24 | bjohnson | ie run it like a daemon ALL the time |
| 03:27.41 | deadcat | bjohnson: just use cron |
| 03:27.43 | tonsofpcs | tail? |
| 03:28.03 | bjohnson | cron? to capture input from a serial port? |
| 03:28.18 | bjohnson | and how would I use tail? |
| 03:28.41 | SerajewelKS | bjohnson: cat /dev/ttyS0 | head -c LIMIT_IN_BYTES |
| 03:28.54 | SerajewelKS | bjohnson: redirect that into the file you want |
| 03:29.35 | SerajewelKS | bjohnson: that will *stop* after so many bytes. if you need to keep it logging, but trim the file after so many bytes, you want to use logrotate or something. |
| 03:30.13 | bjohnson | ok ..thnx |
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| 03:30.32 | bjohnson | the latter option is more like what I need |
| 03:30.41 | stew | win 48 |
| 03:31.42 | stew | pardon |
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| 03:32.54 | happy000 | hmm |
| 03:34.09 | happy000 | well debian has made me happy |
| 03:34.12 | happy000 | thanks folks |
| 03:34.14 | happy000 | Im outa here |
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| 03:39.51 | danl | ok... so i reinstalled xfonts-base and X still gets fatal error: could not open default font 'cursor' |
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| 03:42.02 | drcode | hi all |
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| 03:42.15 | drcode | any one help help me with old linux languages? |
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| 03:43.11 | United | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:43.11 | United | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.11 | United | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.11 | United | E: Broken packages |
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| 03:43.20 | United | sorry, what does that mean? |
| 03:44.16 | stew | United: are you trying to mix distributions? |
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| 03:44.26 | stew | United: what happens when you apt-get install courier-base? |
| 03:44.32 | United | no |
| 03:44.45 | United | i want to get # courier-authdaemon |
| 03:44.45 | United | # courier-authmysql |
| 03:44.51 | United | and when i get the second one it yells at me |
| 03:45.49 | stew | United: show exactly us what happens when you run "apt-get install courier-base" and also the output "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy courier-authmysql courier-base libc6" use a pastebin /msg dpkg paster |
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| 03:48.41 | United | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2770 |
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| 04:02.13 | Sivik | what is the name of gtk+ in order to install from apt-get |
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| 04:03.01 | [Gnea] | Sivik: libgtk<something>, use apt-cache search libgtk to find it |
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| 04:03.53 | Sivik | it tells me that one is already install but when i try to install something, it says its missing gtk+ |
| 04:04.05 | [Gnea] | oh, you need the -dev package |
| 04:04.18 | Sivik | libgtk-dev? |
| 04:04.26 | stew | Sivik: apt-get build-dep gambas |
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| 04:05.01 | Sivik | stew: not trying to install gambas anymore |
| 04:05.16 | stew | Sivik: trying to compile something differetn? what? |
| 04:05.23 | Sivik | wxWidgets |
| 04:05.30 | Sivik | stew: E: Unable to find a source package for gambas |
| 04:06.11 | magyar | i am looking for a tapebackup software |
| 04:06.20 | stew | United: you have courier-base installed from unstable, but you are trying to install courier-authmysql from sarge |
| 04:06.30 | stew | United: you cannot mix stable with non-stable |
| 04:07.01 | unix_infidel | besides /home and /etc what else is ripe for a quick restore? |
| 04:07.08 | stew | United: you have already installed the libc6 from testing/unstable, so you are pretty much on unstable, you should get rid of you stable lines and finish migrating to testing/unstable |
| 04:07.15 | _tomb0y | is there a way to format a drive as fat16 under debian? need to move data over to a partition that windows can read as well |
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| 04:07.24 | stew | Sivik: you have to add a deb-src line from testing or unstable for the gambas source package |
| 04:07.36 | Sivik | stew: but i really don't want to install gambas |
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| 04:07.50 | Sivik | all i'm trying to install is gtk+ 2.0 |
| 04:09.00 | stew | Sivik: apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 |
| 04:09.10 | Sivik | stew: i did the apt-get build- thingy for the libgtk-dev |
| 04:09.18 | stew | Sivik: ifyou need the development libraries you want libgtk2.0-dev |
| 04:09.19 | Sivik | already have libgtk2.0-0 installed |
| 04:09.22 | nse | i do not want a package to be upgraded, that is libfreetyp6, because it is breaking my fonts. what to do in order to do a normal apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 04:09.34 | stew | nse: /msg dpkg hold |
| 04:10.36 | unix_infidel | anyone?? besdies /etc and /home, what else should i backing up for a quick restore need be..........? |
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| 04:11.01 | [Gnea] | !backports |
| 04:11.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 04:11.17 | stew | unix_infidel: /var/lib, maybe also /usr/local and/or /opt maybe /root |
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| 04:11.23 | nse | stew: thank you |
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| 04:12.05 | stew | unix_infidel: /var/spool |
| 04:12.17 | stew | nekostar: ? |
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| 04:12.45 | Agrajag- | hi, im trying to do mysql replication on a couple of debian systems (master/slave) and it seems that logrotate is rotating the binary files (i think?). therefore when the master switches to a new binary log, the slave doesn't. what's the right way to do this? (im not entirely sure this is what's happening - but the master changed to mysql-bin.132 and the slave is still on mysql-bin.131) |
| 04:12.59 | unix_infidel | /var/spool? |
| 04:13.26 | stew | unix_infidel: for one thing the mail spools go there |
| 04:13.41 | stew | err do they go to /var/mail |
| 04:14.01 | stew | it looks liek both |
| 04:14.40 | unix_infidel | time to burn the iso :) |
| 04:14.49 | Sivik | ok, i installed the wxWidgets but it says it can't find the command wx-config |
| 04:15.55 | stew | !find wx-config sarge |
| 04:16.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wx-config' (1): (/usr/share/apps/kdevappwizard/template-common/wx-configure.in) in kde/kdevelop3-data. |
| 04:16.35 | Sivik | stew: so its a kde command, not a wxWidget program? |
| 04:17.16 | stew | no its not a kde command, it appears to be nowhere in stable |
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| 04:17.56 | United | stew which source needed to be unstable/testing? |
| 04:17.58 | nse | stew: update was fine, but dpkg now wants to remove 394MB in dist-upgrade. |
| 04:18.43 | deadcat | ooo. gcc 4.1 is in |
| 04:18.45 | stew | United: you should probably switch all of your sources to testing. or reinstall stable |
| 04:19.06 | stew | nse: that's good! more room for porn! |
| 04:19.12 | stew | nse: show me the output |
| 04:19.28 | United | Stew how to i know which postfix was installed as? |
| 04:19.41 | stew | United: which what? |
| 04:19.43 | United | dpkg -l | grep postfix |
| 04:19.43 | United | ii postfix 2.2.10-2 A high-performance mail transport agent |
| 04:19.43 | dpkg | ii | grep postfix 3.8-13.1 united's private stamp collection |
| 04:20.04 | United | is postfix stable or unstable? |
| 04:20.04 | stew | United: match that to the version on http://packages.debian.org/postfix |
| 04:20.16 | United | stew thanks |
| 04:21.34 | nse | stew: http://pastebin.com/766673 |
| 04:22.38 | United | Stew how do i find out which source courier-authmysql comes from? |
| 04:23.26 | stew | United: apt-cache policy courier-authmysql |
| 04:23.38 | stew | nse: what version of libfreetype6 are you holding? |
| 04:24.14 | stew | nse: my guess is that some of that stuff is requiring a newer libfreetype6, and since you have said don't upgrade it, the other choice is to remove the other stuff |
| 04:24.17 | stew | but its just a guess |
| 04:24.56 | stew | nse: and you should probably run "apt-get -f install" before anything else |
| 04:24.57 | nse | stew: but the programs that it wants to remove do work with this version. i am using them |
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| 04:26.02 | nse | stew: if i do this dpkg will download and install the newer version of libfreetype6 |
| 04:26.18 | United | deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main contrib non-free dont work |
| 04:26.35 | stew | United: no there are no security updates for unstable |
| 04:26.42 | United | is it testing? |
| 04:26.55 | stew | United: kinda, there is a repository that almost never gets updates |
| 04:27.08 | United | courier-authmysql is coming from there i think though |
| 04:27.08 | stew | nse: you need to get libpangol either removed or get a version installed that works with this version of libfreetype6 |
| 04:27.27 | sid | Where can I look up directory structures, like what /bin /sbin /usr/bin etch mean? |
| 04:27.33 | stew | !fhs |
| 04:27.33 | dpkg | from memory, fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 04:28.03 | stew | bedtime |
| 04:28.15 | nse | good night |
| 04:29.24 | United | wait i got it i think :) |
| 04:30.55 | United | night stew |
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| 04:32.56 | romulo | hi, whats the name of the app to modify the X screen without adjusting on the monitors interface? |
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| 04:33.45 | sid | romulo, xrandr ? |
| 04:33.51 | romulo | dunno |
| 04:33.55 | romulo | it was a tool to move screen |
| 04:34.01 | romulo | without adjusting the monitors setting |
| 04:34.27 | sid | no idea |
| 04:34.31 | romulo | like there were some arrows, and u press them and the screen move to sides or up down |
| 04:34.32 | romulo | or even shrink |
| 04:34.52 | sid | !xrandr |
| 04:34.53 | dpkg | [xrandr] a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
| 04:35.13 | sid | romulo, That sounds like monitor buttons to me. |
| 04:35.40 | romulo | hmm no =P |
| 04:35.43 | romulo | hehehe it does the same |
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| 04:37.57 | tonsofpcs | how can I set up a jailshell? |
| 04:38.07 | sid | tonsofpcs, What is a jail shell? |
| 04:38.22 | sid | tonsofpcs, Do you mean chroot? |
| 04:38.24 | sid | !chroot |
| 04:38.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
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| 04:38.53 | dhuv | hello all |
| 04:39.06 | freakazoid0223 | sounds like a solaris container to me |
| 04:39.07 | tonsofpcs | sid: no, I mean jailshell, it's a shell alternative that automatically creates a very limited chroot environment when loaded, I've seen it used by webhosts |
| 04:39.10 | dhuv | I was wondering if anybody knew of a way to use klibido via the command line |
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| 04:40.05 | dhuv | my problem is that I want to control it remotely using screen to download new messages and continue to download message content over screen |
| 04:40.22 | dhuv | I would want to use the graphical part when I am choosing which content to download |
| 04:40.27 | dhuv | is this possible? |
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| 04:43.16 | nse | debian needs a system to easily downgrade packages. for example now i want to downgrade libpango1.0-0 to an older version, but libglib2.0-0 conflicts with this older version of libpango1.0-0 |
| 04:43.31 | tonsofpcs | hmm, from the short description, the jailer package seems to be what I want, has anyone here tried it that can explain it a bit more indepth? |
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| 04:44.03 | sid | nse, What version of debian are you using? |
| 04:44.11 | tonsofpcs | [i'm on sarge btw] |
| 04:44.34 | nse | i want to do it because another package libfreetype6 is braking my fonts, and to downgrade it i need to downgrade libpangol before |
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| 04:44.40 | nse | sid: etch |
| 04:44.49 | sid | !tell nse about etch |
| 04:45.46 | nse | sid: you see, it would a good idea if dpkg could manage downgrades |
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| 04:47.34 | nse | i am in a difficult situation, and i am sure there could be better ways than switching to stable |
| 04:48.26 | sid | nse, Is this a production server or a desktop? |
| 04:48.33 | nse | my english is terrible, right? |
| 04:48.39 | nse | a desktop, why? |
| 04:48.53 | sid | nse, What is your native language? |
| 04:48.58 | ans-tor | I've installed libapache-mod-suphp with apache 1.3, but it still run as user "www-data". What's wrong with that? |
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| 04:49.03 | nse | sid: portuguese |
| 04:49.11 | sid | nse: por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:49.14 | ans-tor | ... |
| 04:49.21 | nse | fuck you |
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| 04:49.25 | sid | Just type /oin #debian-br |
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| 04:49.35 | ans-tor | !br |
| 04:49.36 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 04:49.47 | Xinux | okay im having trouble deleting everything on my hard disk |
| 04:49.49 | Maquiavelo | what's the php package for apache2? |
| 04:50.17 | Maquiavelo | I'm using stable and everytime I try to install a php package (php3, 4) that are in stable, it prompts me to install apache (1.3) |
| 04:50.24 | ans-tor | dpkg: br |
| 04:50.24 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:50.25 | tonsofpcs | Xinux: why would you do that? |
| 04:50.39 | Xinux | tonsofpcs, for fun, nah, i need to completely reformat my disk |
| 04:51.06 | tonsofpcs | Xinux: do you actually want to reformat or just shred it/ |
| 04:51.06 | tonsofpcs | ? |
| 04:51.09 | ans-tor | Maquiavelo: may something like libapache2-mod-php ? |
| 04:51.12 | Xinux | tonsofpcs, i tried qtparted, but since there are 3 partitions, after giving it a command to delete one it wont let me delete the other |
| 04:51.17 | Xinux | tonsofpcs, reformat |
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| 04:52.16 | tonsofpcs | Xinux: you try from a boot disk, since those are most likely in use... |
| 04:52.19 | ans-tor | Maquiavelo: may be something like libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
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| 04:52.31 | Xinux | tonsofpcs, im on a live cd right now |
| 04:52.37 | Maquiavelo | Checking |
| 04:52.56 | LunarCrisis | are there any xorg 7-compatible nvidia-glx packages available in etch? |
| 04:53.02 | LunarCrisis | or the equivalents? |
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| 04:53.06 | tonsofpcs | Xinux: is anything mounted? |
| 04:53.10 | ans-tor | is there the official webboard for debian? |
| 04:53.21 | Maquiavelo | well, that's really really weird, I tried apt-get install php4 and it wanted to install apache (1.3), then I tried to install phpmyadmin and it said it was going to install php4 without apache(1.3). Weird. |
| 04:53.27 | Xinux | tonsofpcs, no |
| 04:53.28 | gravity | ans-tor: forums.debian.net was quite good. It's about as official as you'll get |
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| 04:53.41 | ans-tor | thanks |
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| 04:55.17 | Xinux | qtparted dont like me =\ |
| 04:55.57 | tonsofpcs | just use fdisk |
| 04:55.59 | stoned | why use qtparted? |
| 04:56.04 | stoned | cfdisk == sweet |
| 04:56.53 | liable | fdisk cant resize partitions |
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| 04:58.26 | stoned | lol |
| 04:58.37 | stoned | hahaha @ lawnchair nickname lol |
| 04:58.47 | Xinux | i dont need to resize |
| 04:58.51 | tonsofpcs | hi lawnchair :) |
| 04:58.52 | Xinux | i just need to annhilate everything |
| 04:59.02 | tonsofpcs | what brings you over this side of the network boundry? |
| 04:59.15 | stoned | Xinux, you don't have to repartition, you can just create another fs on the partition |
| 04:59.18 | liable | Xinux: so use cfdisk then |
| 04:59.18 | stoned | format it |
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| 05:00.33 | aT-Fusion | i am trying to get coueier-authmysql and gettting an error but i get all the other packages fine. it says a broken package or unmet dependancy |
| 05:01.30 | Xinux | liab,e it doesnt let you edit filesystem |
| 05:01.40 | Xinux | liable, I need it to be FAT32 ? |
| 05:01.45 | stoned | Xinux, what are you trying to do? |
| 05:01.46 | Xinux | oh nvm |
| 05:01.48 | Xinux | yes it does |
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| 05:02.10 | stoned | Xinux, yes it gives you a choice to pick partitio type about 100 or so diff ones |
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| 05:02.55 | Xinux | HPFS/NTFS ? |
| 05:02.56 | Xinux | lmao ? |
| 05:03.23 | stoned | are you asking if you are laughing? |
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| 05:03.29 | Xinux | yes =\ |
| 05:03.39 | stoned | how should we know if you're laughing or not |
| 05:03.40 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:03.43 | Xinux | its a cross between humour and confusion |
| 05:03.44 | Xinux | =\ |
| 05:03.48 | stoned | oh |
| 05:03.54 | stoned | I am not familiar with the gesture |
| 05:04.31 | Xinux | k, writing |
| 05:04.34 | Xinux | annhilation time |
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| 05:04.58 | stoned | Mortal Kombat Annihilation was a good movie |
| 05:05.02 | liable | !tell Maquiavelo about away |
| 05:05.13 | freakazoid0223 | first one was better |
| 05:05.28 | Xinux | rote partition table, but re-read table failed. Reboot to update table. |
| 05:05.28 | stoned | they were both good |
| 05:05.33 | Xinux | Wrote partition table, but re-read table failed. Reboot to update table. |
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| 05:06.33 | Xinux | k im out |
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| 05:14.52 | liable | there was an app that told me what was spinning my hard drive up but i cant remember its name, anyone remember? |
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| 05:17.45 | tuv | liable, there is lsof /dev/hda1, if you are willing to manage its bulky output :) |
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| 05:19.02 | liable | tuv: i dont think that will actually tell me what is causing it to spin up, though i suspect its klogd, because od errors my cd drive keeps spewing |
| 05:20.50 | tuv | anyone else having lost keys after upgrading to xorg 7? |
| 05:21.16 | tuv | i miss my right alt.. it doesn't work alone anymore, though both alt keys do switch group! |
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| 05:23.09 | Rich333 | 1: anyone know why gtk2-engines, despite claiming to replace packages like gtk2-engines-industrial, doesn't include things like the industrial mouse cursor theme? 2: anyone know why going back to gtk2-industrial would leave me with a broken industrial mouse cursor theme (the waiting pointer is the one from the default black x cursors instead of industrial)? |
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| 05:38.19 | sid | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ZRxc6c32.html |
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| 05:38.27 | sid | What did I do wrong, Why can't I start another X session? |
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| 05:44.43 | servus | !alice |
| 05:44.43 | dpkg | Who the fuck is Alice? |
| 05:44.47 | servus | Peculiar musical taste that bot has. |
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| 05:45.16 | dorel__ | heh definitely Serv |
| 05:45.19 | dorel__ | *servus |
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| 05:51.59 | unix_infidel | anyone here used allofmp3.com before? |
| 05:52.23 | stoned | no, since their metal collection is horrible |
| 05:52.24 | stoned | ;) |
| 05:52.29 | dabreegster | No, but read about their proclamation of innocence the other day. |
| 05:53.06 | KillerBee | can any one explain me how i can get svgalib_helper module? |
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| 06:00.06 | aT-Fusion | u238|bee ? |
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| 06:00.52 | foo | Hmm, anyone know what I need to install to use the Dell Remote Administration Card? I think it's just the java virtual machine ... apparently different than just java, because I have that |
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| 06:03.13 | k-man | typicaly, if one has a raid array in an ibm server, and one drive fails, whats the procedure for replacing the failed drive? |
| 06:03.34 | mhall | Does anybody know of a Linux-compatible VOIP service where you can pay for minutes instead of for months? I don't need the high cost of an unlimited plan, and Skype doesn't work for me. |
| 06:04.12 | stoned | mhall, you know man, I'm not gonna say it |
| 06:04.20 | stoned | cough*google*cough |
| 06:04.27 | stoned | :D |
| 06:04.33 | mhall | stoned: can it call land lines? |
| 06:04.56 | stoned | mhall, why is skype not working? |
| 06:05.23 | mhall | stoned: doesn't support alsa right; workarounds don't enable the calling portion |
| 06:05.29 | mhall | stoned: only the cheesy SFX |
| 06:05.32 | stoned | hmm |
| 06:05.43 | stoned | it works for me, but it takes complete control of sound card |
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| 06:05.50 | stoned | renders other apps useless |
| 06:05.53 | mhall | that's fine; i don't care if it does that |
| 06:05.55 | stoned | but it works though |
| 06:06.03 | mhall | because i don't multitask on sound. at all. ever. |
| 06:06.07 | stoned | mhall, how did you acquire this p rogram |
| 06:06.21 | mhall | stoned: skype web site |
| 06:06.21 | stoned | precompiled or compile drom source or got the qt static lib version |
| 06:06.27 | mhall | stoned: qt static |
| 06:06.30 | aT-Fusion | stoned i thought you were leaving |
| 06:06.32 | aT-Fusion | =] |
| 06:06.43 | aT-Fusion | help a poor guy out hehe |
| 06:06.54 | stoned | no, more like helping a friend out |
| 06:07.05 | aT-Fusion | jeff? |
| 06:07.15 | stoned | no... |
| 06:07.19 | aT-Fusion | oh.. :) |
| 06:07.34 | stoned | mhall, do you have dmix software mixing enabled? |
| 06:07.46 | stoned | mhall, not that it should matter, just wondering |
| 06:08.10 | stoned | mhall, skype does cause problems for me too, especially after hanging up a call, I can't make another one until I restart the program |
| 06:09.32 | mhall | Can anybody suggest a vendor that would let me use a SIP softphone to make calls, and pay by buying blocks of minutes? |
| 06:09.36 | sid | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ZRxc6c32.html |
| 06:09.39 | sid | What did I do wrong, Why can't I start another X session? |
| 06:09.48 | mhall | stoned: ya, dmix is automatic in newer libalsa on hardware which needs it |
| 06:10.07 | mhall | stoned: i noticed the hanging up / restarting app problem back when skype used to work for me |
| 06:10.29 | stoned | I still have 7$ left in my skype account |
| 06:10.34 | stoned | I have like 20 days ot use it |
| 06:10.35 | stoned | lol |
| 06:10.59 | foo | http://pastebin.com/766739 - any ideas why this doesn't boot into (2.4.21-40.ELsmp ? |
| 06:11.00 | stoned | I have not used it, usually I'll boot windows if I need to call back home overseas |
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| 06:13.51 | stoned | sid, try dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 06:13.56 | stoned | oh nm |
| 06:14.35 | deadcat | whats a good software to set .xvg as background images? |
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| 06:16.06 | stoned | deadcat, in a desktop? |
| 06:16.16 | deadcat | ya |
| 06:16.21 | foo | How can I install sun java virtual machine on debian? |
| 06:16.33 | deadcat | feh cant seem to do it |
| 06:16.37 | k-god | !java |
| 06:16.37 | dpkg | from memory, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 06:17.37 | stoned | hmm, I didn't find anything except xvg sourceforge page |
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| 06:17.42 | stoned | have you been there yet? |
| 06:17.44 | rab_gen | hi all |
| 06:17.52 | deadcat | xvg eh? let me check |
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| 06:18.16 | rab_gen | how can i automount usb pen-drive under gnome, it used to but after dist-upgrade, it just doesn't |
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| 06:18.33 | stoned | deadcat, http://sourceforge.net/projects/xvg |
| 06:18.48 | stoned | deadcat, http://uncommonplace.com/xvg/ |
| 06:19.21 | deadcat | stoned: not sure if it sets bg with that though |
| 06:19.35 | stoned | yeah, but thats all I found |
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| 06:30.42 | tonsofpcs | anyone know of a console client for yahoo messenger (like naim) |
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| 06:31.24 | dabreegster | tonsofpcs: Pretty sure bitlbee talks to Yahoo. It's pretty much an IRC interface to AIM, Yahoo, ICQ, etc |
| 06:32.39 | deadcat | tonsofpcs: centericq. but i am using bitlbee now. (= |
| 06:32.43 | k-god | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.00 | deadcat | k-god: bad karsten |
| 06:33.01 | sid | tonsofpcs, One does not exist. |
| 06:33.12 | sid | tonsofpcs, You can use fetchyahoo, for command line yahoo mail. |
| 06:33.22 | k-god | deadcat: feh. A pox on both your horses! |
| 06:33.27 | sid | tonsofpcs, Or take the yahoo code from gaim, and port it to naim. |
| 06:33.43 | dabreegster | ...Or just use bitlbee. It's rather nice. |
| 06:33.57 | deadcat | dabreegster: agree. just started using yesterday (= |
| 06:34.16 | deadcat | dabreegster: AND public server heheh |
| 06:34.19 | dabreegster | deadcat: It allows me to keep in tough with my real life friends too! |
| 06:34.35 | deadcat | dabreegster: how so? |
| 06:34.58 | foo | Bleh, anyone use DRAC? |
| 06:35.07 | deadcat | no |
| 06:35.10 | dabreegster | deadcat: All of my peers use AIM. |
| 06:35.16 | deadcat | i see. |
| 06:35.34 | tonsofpcs | found one (i think) ... |
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| 06:35.52 | dabreegster | Only 3 of my "real" friends know basically how to use IRC, and one deleted her client |
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| 06:36.07 | deadcat | dabreegster: if a person is offline and i msg them. then i get offline. does the message get sent or its lost? |
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| 06:36.24 | Agrajag- | hi, im trying to do mysql replication on a couple of debian systems (master/slave) and it seems that logrotate is rotating the binary files (i think?). therefore when the master switches to a new binary log, the slave doesn't. what's the right way to do this? (im not entirely sure this is what's happening - but the master changed to mysql-bin.132 and the slave is still on mysql-bin.131) |
| 06:36.27 | dabreegster | deadcat: Pretty sure it just gets lost. |
| 06:36.42 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:36.47 | dabreegster | deadcat: I get the "hey, they're not online" message. It doesn't keep resending it or anything |
| 06:36.57 | villot | hey ... i installed a new kernel using dpkg and then did "grub-install /dev/sda" then "update-grub" ..... now when it boots there is a kernel panic and i get told to do a proper root= such and such |
| 06:37.10 | dabreegster | deadcat: I think SmarterChild or one of those stupid bots can be used as a "tell this person something when they got on" service though |
| 06:37.12 | Agrajag- | dabreegster: which protocol are you talking about? icq does offline messages |
| 06:37.12 | villot | when i look in /boot/grub/menu.lst ... all looks ok |
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| 06:37.16 | villot | any suggestions ? |
| 06:37.23 | tonsofpcs | ok, I tried dpkg -i 'ng something that I didn't have the dependencies for available and it complained, now i can't apt-get install anything without it bugging for those dependencies. How can I remove it? |
| 06:37.37 | dabreegster | Agrajag-: AIM. bitlbee connects to the oscar protocol I believe |
| 06:37.39 | deadcat | dabreegster: i am using a public server. |
| 06:38.16 | deadcat | both aim/icq are oscar now. |
| 06:38.18 | dabreegster | deadcat: I run localhost simply because it's more convenient. When somebody needs to make a phone call, account off. Then account on when I can get back on. Better than reconnecting to the server. |
| 06:38.29 | tonsofpcs | nm, got it ;) |
| 06:38.34 | tonsofpcs | -r ;) |
| 06:38.36 | Agrajag- | dabreegster: ah ok. yeah icq uses oscar too, but with some extended features such as offline messages which aim doesn't use (yet) |
| 06:38.50 | tonsofpcs | deadcat: actually both work with either protocol |
| 06:38.56 | dabreegster | Agrajag-: I'm mainly waiting for file transfer support from bitlbee. :P |
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| 06:40.49 | dabreegster | To reply to a bugreport, do I just send a message to the number @bugs.debian.org? eg 370814@bugs.debian.org |
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| 06:41.58 | sid | Where can I get a firefox icon.(I can't find one) |
| 06:41.59 | tuv | dabreegster, yes |
| 06:42.02 | sid | A 48x48 pixel icon. |
| 06:42.25 | dabreegster | OK. Oops. Whatever. Not like the bug will be resolved anytime soon at this rate. |
| 06:43.18 | foo | Does the Java Virtual Machine exist on linux? |
| 06:43.23 | deadcat | sid: /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 06:43.53 | tuv | foo, yes |
| 06:44.06 | foo | tuv: err, ok. I can't get it working with the dell remote access administration card |
| 06:44.12 | sid | deadcat, The fireball I want. |
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| 06:44.31 | deadcat | sid: dont know what that is. try searching online |
| 06:44.46 | tuv | foo, do you have it installed? |
| 06:44.47 | foo | Bleh, I wonder if it requires IE |
| 06:44.49 | sid | deadcat, The official firefox logo, It's a fireball/bird. |
| 06:44.49 | foo | tuv: yes |
| 06:44.57 | deadcat | sid: oh i have htat |
| 06:45.00 | sid | deadcat, Debian GNU / Linux can not include it because it's a trademark. |
| 06:45.10 | sid | And it isn't dfsg compliant, ergo can't be included in main. |
| 06:45.11 | tuv | foo, can you ran "java -version"? |
| 06:45.14 | sid | It can't be "modified" |
| 06:45.16 | tuv | *run |
| 06:45.22 | sid | deadcat, Can you dcc it to me? |
| 06:45.30 | sid | deadcat, Or dump it on www.imageshack.us |
| 06:45.33 | deadcat | sid: ill just let you wget it |
| 06:45.52 | deadcat | sid: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/firefox.png ? |
| 06:45.58 | tuv | foo, is this Dell...etc a java application? |
| 06:46.26 | sid | thanks deadcat |
| 06:46.59 | foo | tuv: hm, I got it working under IE |
| 06:47.01 | deadcat | debian should make a package called illegal-stuff which contains all the illegal stuff (= |
| 06:47.37 | tuv | foo, oh.. you mean the java plugin? |
| 06:47.41 | sid | deadcat: That's what marillat is for. |
| 06:47.48 | foo | Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_06-b05) |
| 06:47.49 | foo | Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_06-b05, mixed mode, sharing) |
| 06:47.50 | deadcat | sid: i guess |
| 06:47.50 | sid | Except marillat is more illegal-media-related |
| 06:47.52 | foo | tuv: yup.. |
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| 06:48.06 | foo | tuv: hmm, It's Java Virtual Machine. |
| 06:48.08 | foo | hmm |
| 06:48.17 | tuv | foo, well it gets installed when you install the JRE/JDK |
| 06:48.29 | foo | tuv: right, I think this DRAC might be browser specific |
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| 06:49.03 | foo | http://pastebin.com/766792 - any idea why that doesn't boot into (2.4.21-40.ELsmp) ? |
| 06:49.08 | foo | It's my grub.conf |
| 06:49.08 | tuv | foo, if it runs on java then this is highly improbable.. you just need to properly install a jre and a java browser plugin |
| 06:49.09 | sid | sun-java5-jdk - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 |
| 06:49.09 | sid | sun-java5-jre - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 |
| 06:49.16 | sid | If I get the jdk, do I need to get jre also or no? |
| 06:49.26 | tuv | foo, you can double check your setup with browsing a java plugin test page |
| 06:49.28 | sid | I want java for firefox, but my girlfriend also develops in java. |
| 06:49.28 | deadcat | no |
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| 06:49.36 | foo | tuv: I see |
| 06:49.39 | tuv | jdk includes jre |
| 06:49.44 | sid | k |
| 06:49.56 | foo | Any ideas on my grub question? I hvae the default=2 ... hmm, no go. |
| 06:49.57 | tuv | since java compiler is a java program, you will need the jre to run the jdk |
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| 06:50.26 | stoned | oh man all this java talk is making me nausious |
| 06:50.28 | stoned | i can't spell |
| 06:50.28 | tuv | sid, cute ;) |
| 06:50.46 | foo | haha |
| 06:51.11 | stoned | grub is a good bootloader |
| 06:51.13 | sid | wow, this is great. I can just apt-get install sun-java5-jdk from debian.org; I don't have to use java-package and download from java.sun.com |
| 06:51.22 | foo | stoned: Then why doesn't it load the default in my grub conf? |
| 06:51.42 | Shadowcat | stoned: grub has its issues |
| 06:51.43 | tuv | sid, from unstable only though |
| 06:51.50 | Shadowcat | especially with some add-in ide cards |
| 06:51.54 | sid | tuv: It will get into etch soon enough. |
| 06:51.54 | Shadowcat | but overall it's a lot better than lilo |
| 06:51.59 | stoned | foo, because you have to specify what the default is as the top/first entry and make the time like 0 sec |
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| 06:52.30 | sid | Are there any big GNU / Linux distributions that use LiLO as the default boot loader? |
| 06:52.34 | foo | stoned: wha? Isn't the first title 0 .. so default=2 should be title Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES (2.4.21-40.ELsmp) .. right? |
| 06:52.35 | stoned | Shadowcat, yes it does, and limitations too |
| 06:52.48 | stoned | foo man how should I know what you have on your system? |
| 06:52.52 | sid | At what point does lilo just give up, and say GRUB wins. And go over to grub and start developing on that? |
| 06:52.55 | tuv | sid, debian defaults to lilo if you install your root filesystem on lvm |
| 06:53.06 | sid | Seems sort of counter-productive to not have the lilo developers dev on grub. |
| 06:53.09 | foo | stoned: hm, is that grub.conf enough? |
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| 06:53.24 | Shadowcat | oh come on don't start a bootloader war |
| 06:53.39 | sid | The following NEW packages will be installed |
| 06:53.40 | sid | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.50 | stoned | foo, umm.. its /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 06:53.51 | sid | Why is sun-java5-demo a dependency to install jdk? |
| 06:53.53 | Shadowcat | sun-java-5-jdt? |
| 06:54.00 | Shadowcat | when did that get added? |
| 06:54.06 | Shadowcat | !info sun-java-5-jdt |
| 06:54.06 | sid | !start a boot loader war |
| 06:54.06 | dpkg | lilo rules |
| 06:54.17 | sid | Shadowcat: I dunno, I'm kind of confused by jdk dependencies. |
| 06:54.18 | stoned | !start a war |
| 06:54.18 | dpkg | from memory, start a war is GWB says you have WMD!!!! Mwhahaha |
| 06:54.19 | tuv | Shadowcat, it can't be serious.. there just isn't enough bootloaders to feed a war |
| 06:55.05 | foo | stoned: ahh, yeah. hmm. I set default=2 ... and if the kernel's start at 0, shouldn't it be Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES (2.4.21-40.ELsmp) |
| 06:55.05 | stoned | I want to grow up and be a bootloader... |
| 06:55.10 | foo | stoned: I'm confused... hm. |
| 06:55.13 | foo | haha |
| 06:55.20 | stoned | :) |
| 06:55.46 | sid | So when is Sun's Java going to be open source. |
| 06:55.58 | stoned | hah, never |
| 06:56.04 | Shadowcat | !info sun-java5-jdk |
| 06:56.06 | dpkg | sun-java5-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-06-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4868 kB, Installed size: 11336 kB |
| 06:56.23 | Shadowcat | sid: no the dependencies are correct |
| 06:56.25 | sid | If I install java, will openoffice.org use that instead of the free java? |
| 06:56.32 | Shadowcat | the examples ship with the jdt |
| 06:56.45 | stoned | sid, it uses the java exec, whatever java exec is in the path, it will use it |
| 06:57.08 | stoned | afaik, i don't use oo.o its bloatware for me |
| 06:57.08 | Shadowcat | stoned: no it won't |
| 06:57.16 | sid | java version "1.4.2" |
| 06:57.16 | sid | gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.2 20060604 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-2) |
| 06:57.21 | sid | copyright 2006 FSF etc |
| 06:57.21 | Shadowcat | all the dependencies in debian point to gij |
| 06:57.26 | Shadowcat | you have to modify /etc/alternatives |
| 06:57.32 | Shadowcat | or configure each app seperately |
| 06:57.33 | sid | So if I install jdk, I can't even "java" and have it run. |
| 06:57.42 | foo | stoned: hm, bleh. Thanks anyways. |
| 06:57.52 | tuv | sid, yes you can |
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| 06:57.57 | sid | You think openoffice.org will run faster with Sun's java? |
| 06:58.08 | Shadowcat | separately even |
| 06:58.08 | sid | tuv: Not by default though. |
| 06:58.11 | dabreegster | OO uses java? |
| 06:58.19 | Shadowcat | sid: again, modify /etc/alternatives |
| 06:58.30 | [Gnea] | dabreegster: by choice |
| 06:58.40 | dabreegster | [Gnea]: Ah |
| 06:58.52 | dabreegster | I've never really had the RAM to try to boot it anyway |
| 06:59.12 | stoned | space is huge |
| 06:59.36 | dabreegster | You may think it's a long ways down to the chemist, but that's just peanuts compared to space. |
| 06:59.55 | [Gnea] | in space, you can't hear barney sing |
| 07:00.01 | stoned | why is space so big\ |
| 07:00.06 | tuv | sid, i installed my jdk using java-package, and i can set it to be the default using update-alternatives.. it's listed there automatically, but you're right it's not the default on install |
| 07:00.12 | stoned | not how, but why? |
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| 07:01.46 | stoned | I just wonder whats out there you know, what are the odds that out of hundreds of billions of galaxies out there, one of them would have a planet going around its local start abot the right distance for it to have earth like conditions and supports life |
| 07:02.23 | Shadowcat | tuv: update-alternatives? |
| 07:02.31 | Shadowcat | how exactly does the syntax for that work |
| 07:02.33 | dabreegster | Sometimes when I close my eyes at night, I think I can comprehend precisely how vast space is... It seems small. |
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| 07:02.37 | Shadowcat | I just relink the symlinks |
| 07:02.39 | sid | tuv: What is the proper command for update-alternatives? Do I just "cd /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.06/bin/; for i in *; do rm /etc/alternatives/$i; ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.06/bin/$i /etc/alternatives/$i; done" ? |
| 07:02.49 | stoned | maybe somewhere out there instead of carbon, the binding element for hydrogen and oxygen is silicon, and every creatues lives and breathes but is made up of crystals and glass |
| 07:02.51 | stoned | hehe |
| 07:03.04 | sid | yea, the syntax for update-alternatives seems kind of crazy |
| 07:03.08 | tuv | sid, update-alternatives is a program.. man update-alternatives |
| 07:03.17 | sid | I did tha.t |
| 07:03.24 | tuv | sid, or just run it without any arguments for a short help |
| 07:03.30 | dabreegster | stoned: Stare at cthugha for a while, let it run free |
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| 07:03.49 | Shadowcat | sid: what annoys me to no end is that eclipse has gij as a dependency |
| 07:03.49 | sid | update-alternatives --display java; update-alternatives --config java; |
| 07:03.50 | tuv | sid, update-alternatives --config java does it |
| 07:04.04 | sid | But then I have to do all 15+ programs that come with java seperately no? |
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| 07:04.36 | sid | Shadowcat: file a bug report |
| 07:04.41 | tuv | sid, i don't think you need to do that |
| 07:04.42 | dabreegster | Goodnight all |
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| 07:05.13 | sid | tuv: You think it's a good idea to do "cd /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.06/bin/; for i in *; do rm /etc/alternatives/$i; ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.06/bin/$i /etc/alternatives/$i; done" or will that break something? |
| 07:05.21 | tuv | sid, at least not for the compiler (javac) |
| 07:05.33 | Shadowcat | sid: doesn't break anything here, that's how I've done it for ages |
| 07:05.33 | foo | err, how do I know if a server has lilo or grub? |
| 07:05.40 | sid | Shadowcat: k |
| 07:05.48 | sid | foo: ls /boot ? |
| 07:06.18 | tuv | sid, i'm not sure about that.. but i don't like to modify alternatives manually |
| 07:06.22 | foo | sid: I see a grub folder. What else am I looking for? |
| 07:06.23 | liable | that wont neccessarily say, i have both installed. |
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| 07:07.05 | [Gnea] | stoned: do you run seti? |
| 07:07.19 | stoned | [Gnea], no |
| 07:07.42 | [Gnea] | !seti |
| 07:07.43 | dpkg | well, seti is is cool, the applet is a piece of crap. http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_6829.html, or see sedi |
| 07:07.45 | tuv | sid, but i don't see why wouldn't that work :) |
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| 07:07.55 | liable | foo: http://mia.ece.uic.edu/~papers/linux/msg00026.html |
| 07:07.58 | [Gnea] | stoned: do you know what it is? |
| 07:08.01 | Shadowcat | !tell giannisk about root |
| 07:08.16 | sid | foo: Then you have grub. |
| 07:08.16 | foo | liable: |
| 07:08.16 | foo | thanks |
| 07:08.21 | liable | np |
| 07:08.23 | stoned | we have not yet mastered every form of planetary energy, and we are trying to look for something we don't even know is like |
| 07:08.23 | tonsofpcs | ok, so for Y! messenger and MSN, center-icq works well. |
| 07:08.27 | dli | does dpkg -r , also removes packages depending on that package? |
| 07:08.36 | liable | sid: i have a grub folder, but i use lilo.. |
| 07:08.46 | foo | sid: err, I just don't get it. I have told both lilo and grub to boot into the 2.4.21-40.ELsmp kernel ... and neither do. |
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| 07:09.34 | liable | dli: no, but it wont do it if something else relies on 'it' |
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| 07:09.47 | dli | liable, thanks :) |
| 07:09.57 | foo | sid: http://pastebin.com/766820 - any ideas? I want to boot into 2.4.21-40.ELsmp |
| 07:10.00 | [Gnea] | stoned: sometimes the best way to look for something is to look for something else :) |
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| 07:10.32 | stoned | [Gnea], thier model of search is based upon the Kardavesh scale |
| 07:10.41 | tuv | [Gnea], true.. but it never works out intentianlly |
| 07:10.43 | stoned | extremely hypothetical, and very unreliable |
| 07:11.02 | stoned | the equations will not add up because our energy consumption is NOT going up exponentially |
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| 07:11.08 | stoned | that is why seti is useless right now |
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| 07:11.26 | foo | sid: Any ideas? Hm |
| 07:11.32 | stoned | we are looking for something we don't know anything about |
| 07:11.41 | foo | stoned: Is that to me? |
| 07:11.47 | stoned | whoever |
| 07:11.49 | [Gnea] | stoned: yup, and since computers are still chugging away at the data in order to form a basis of useless data, it slowly chips away at all of the BS until it finds something good |
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| 07:14.03 | stoned | [Gnea], the universe is not as it appears, at all |
| 07:14.04 | mhall | What's the best SIP client for Linux + ALSA? |
| 07:14.20 | stoned | mhall, hows is it coming along |
| 07:14.26 | [Gnea] | stoned: damn straight |
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| 07:16.19 | stoned | our senses percieve the depth of the universe through the eyes of hubble tele. to be about 14.x billion light years. Yet, if our senses were altered, our perception would change, thus fundametnally altering the laws of physics |
| 07:16.35 | mhall | stoned: well i got a working account now |
| 07:16.40 | stoned | different senses will synthesize reality differently |
| 07:16.45 | stoned | mhall, cool |
| 07:16.48 | stoned | where at |
| 07:16.51 | mhall | stoned: my SIP phone is a bit busted thoug; need a better one |
| 07:17.01 | mhall | stoned: deltathree's iconnecthere service |
| 07:17.10 | stoned | how much? |
| 07:17.23 | mhall | stoned: i prepaid $25 and got $5 free; about 2 cents per min |
| 07:17.37 | mhall | stoned: personally i'd happily pay 5 or 10 cents for it |
| 07:17.38 | stoned | mhall, tell me that includes international |
| 07:17.46 | mhall | i really don't care, i just want fucking working service |
| 07:17.57 | stoned | skype costs me 14c a minute |
| 07:18.02 | stoned | for internation calls to back home |
| 07:18.06 | mhall | and you don't realize how much cheaper it is than the phone co. here. |
| 07:18.10 | stoned | yup |
| 07:18.12 | stoned | it sure is |
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| 07:18.30 | mhall | stoned: anyway i am going to find a good softphone i hope |
| 07:18.48 | stoned | I got cox digital phone, 20$ a month |
| 07:19.02 | Shadowcat | heh I just thought of something |
| 07:19.06 | stoned | whas that? |
| 07:19.15 | Shadowcat | I'm in the computer lab all alone, with 120 sunblade 1500 workstations |
| 07:19.19 | Shadowcat | all unused |
| 07:19.22 | stoned | haha |
| 07:19.26 | Shadowcat | anyone in for distributed compiling? |
| 07:19.27 | sid | I thought using jre would speed up openoffice.org. |
| 07:19.27 | tonsofpcs | Shadowcat: mersene prime time? |
| 07:19.30 | sid | I was wrong. |
| 07:19.44 | tonsofpcs | sid: nothing can speed up openoffice.org except for a new platform |
| 07:19.50 | stoned | lol |
| 07:20.28 | stoned | usually more ram helps |
| 07:20.28 | Shadowcat | mersene? |
| 07:20.28 | stoned | always helps |
| 07:20.28 | tonsofpcs | Shadowcat: the ones thay pay you if you find one |
| 07:20.28 | tuv | probably a java hardware machine .. |
| 07:20.29 | stoned | I ran oo.o on 866mhz 128mb ram and it was shitty, i upgraded to 256 adn it ran much better, at 512 it was very very workable |
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| 07:20.32 | Shadowcat | I mean I wonder how long a gentoo stage1 would take with I ran distcc on all these machines at the same time |
| 07:21.08 | liable | i wonder if they would miss one? |
| 07:21.32 | Shadowcat | liable: they're bolted to the wall |
| 07:21.39 | Shadowcat | plus I had to use my keycard to get in here |
| 07:21.40 | tonsofpcs | Shadowcat: at that speed, probably be just as quick to use only one |
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| 07:21.52 | tonsofpcs | Shadowcat: yes, but he's liable |
| 07:22.02 | Shadowcat | tonsofpcs: there's a gigabit network runnint through here too |
| 07:22.21 | Shadowcat | and there are 120 more on the floor below me, probably all unused as well |
| 07:22.25 | tonsofpcs | Shadowcat: you mean they don't have 10G-FX yet? |
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| 07:22.33 | Shadowcat | and an additional 240 in the other wing of the building |
| 07:22.41 | Shadowcat | tonsofpcs: the network's about 10 years old |
| 07:22.49 | sid | What package do I need to apt-get install for ntp support with gnome time. ntpdate and ntpd? |
| 07:22.50 | tonsofpcs | Shadowcat: yea, and? |
| 07:23.00 | Shadowcat | so 480 sunblade 1500s at my fingertips |
| 07:23.04 | tuv | sid, ntp-simple |
| 07:23.14 | tonsofpcs | Shadowcat: maybe they can run OOo at a reasonable speed.... |
| 07:23.28 | liable | watch the lights dimn as you emerge world :) |
| 07:23.53 | Shadowcat | tonsofpcs: uhh we don't run OOo here, we have Staroffice |
| 07:23.57 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 07:24.07 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:24.16 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau: lol |
| 07:24.23 | Shadowcat | 480 sunblade 1500s running Solaris 10 with Sun Java System |
| 07:24.24 | sid | tuv: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/tSiOL327.html |
| 07:24.30 | tonsofpcs | i would apt popcon on my alpha, but i can't get it to load due to the lack of docs |
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| 07:24.58 | tonsofpcs | i'm not gonna apt popcon on my 686 |
| 07:25.36 | sid | dpkg gave me an error |
| 07:25.47 | Shadowcat | hmm I wonder if they link these machines over the summer for use in research |
| 07:25.53 | sid | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.05 | Shadowcat | knowing the university they probably let them sit idle all summer |
| 07:26.09 | Shadowcat | what a waste :( |
| 07:26.10 | tuv | that's interesting sid, how did you get apt to say: "User root does not exist"?? |
| 07:26.23 | sid | no idea, lol |
| 07:26.38 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: why not? |
| 07:26.40 | Shadowcat | tuv: my uid 0 user isn't called root |
| 07:26.50 | Shadowcat | that's about the first account I rename |
| 07:26.53 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: it's easy, just install it as apt told on your alpha |
| 07:26.59 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: you run stable or sid? |
| 07:27.02 | Shadowcat | so if you type "root" in the login you'll lever get in |
| 07:27.04 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau: sarge |
| 07:27.08 | sid | tuv: I just did a fresh install, I did apt-get install x-window-system-core xorg gnome; then I installed jdk and xchat and I came here. |
| 07:27.09 | sid | tuv: sid |
| 07:27.15 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: oh and mail works? otherwise you want the backports.org |
| 07:27.17 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau: install what as apt told on my alpha? |
| 07:27.26 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: popularity-contest |
| 07:27.31 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau: it better not work when it's disabled ;) |
| 07:27.40 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau: the alpha won't let me install debian |
| 07:27.52 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: why not? what alpha is it? worked fine on mine |
| 07:27.52 | tonsofpcs | it won't let me install nt4 either, i boot the install cd and it tells me to stick the cd in A: |
| 07:28.03 | sid | cookooland:/var/cache/apt/archives# /etc/init.d/ntp-server stop |
| 07:28.04 | sid | User root does not exist |
| 07:28.08 | sid | tuv: This seems to be the problem. |
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| 07:28.17 | tuv | Shadowcat, can you explain this phenomenon? |
| 07:28.24 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau: eb164, AlphaBIOS only, SRM won't flash |
| 07:28.25 | sid | if [ -z "$UGID" ]; then |
| 07:28.25 | sid | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.45 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 07:28.55 | Shadowcat | so it checks for the string root instead of the uid |
| 07:29.02 | tonsofpcs | I get milo loading partially and then it fails, has a glitch with the Matrox Mil II, fails on PALcode swap with the FireGL 3000 |
| 07:29.09 | sid | Should I file a bug report Shadowcat? |
| 07:29.11 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: i've also got alphabios... and it's possible with it. asked in #alpha yet? using netboot? |
| 07:29.21 | sid | Shadowcat: That's in /etc/init.d/ntp-server |
| 07:29.24 | Shadowcat | sid: probably |
| 07:29.35 | Shadowcat | renaming the root account is standard security practice |
| 07:29.40 | tuv | sid, but don't you have a root user? |
| 07:29.41 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau: i've been asking for over 2 years now |
| 07:29.43 | Shadowcat | that shouldn't affect something as critical as ntp |
| 07:29.50 | sid | tuv: yes I have a root user, lol |
| 07:29.52 | tonsofpcs | finally gave up earlier this week and just set up the p2 as the server til i can figure it out |
| 07:29.56 | Shadowcat | tuv: most unix boxes don't have a user named "root" |
| 07:30.01 | sid | tuv: That's just what someone wrote in the shell script. |
| 07:30.02 | Shadowcat | but they have a user with uid 0 |
| 07:30.02 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: i see, but did you really check the bios very carefully? it's quite well hidden |
| 07:30.06 | tonsofpcs | because i need the server next month, so i'm testing for this month |
| 07:30.08 | sid | That doesn't actually mean I don't have a root user. |
| 07:30.14 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau: what is well hidden? |
| 07:30.15 | sid | Shadowcat: Do you use ntp-server? |
| 07:30.24 | tuv | Shadowcat, right, but sid says he does have a user named root |
| 07:30.33 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: you really don't have srm? |
| 07:30.34 | Shadowcat | sid: on this box I do, but on this box I have "root" |
| 07:30.41 | Shadowcat | tuv: that might very well be the case |
| 07:30.54 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau: yup, it's a machine with the dual flash, but it won't let me flash SRM, and DM won't load even when force jumpered |
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| 07:31.17 | sid | My /etc/init.d/ntp-server file ---> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Ox8mfF72.html |
| 07:31.17 | tonsofpcs | I called the alpha server support team, spoke to a guy, he said he'd heard of it once before |
| 07:31.46 | sid | Shadowcat: Can you check your /etc/init.d/ntp-server and see if it's the same as mine? |
| 07:31.49 | Shadowcat | renaming root and making rm some really obfusicated command for the uid 0 user is something of a common practice |
| 07:31.55 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: i got my alpha delivered home for a bottle of whisky |
| 07:32.24 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau: I got mine for the gas it took me to drive it about 2 city blocks ;) |
| 07:32.25 | Shadowcat | sid: it is, since I'm running the same version as you |
| 07:32.39 | sid | Shadowcat: What happens when you /etc/init.d/ntp-server restart ? |
| 07:32.48 | maikol | Shadowcat: how do you change the "root" user? in the sudoers file? |
| 07:32.57 | Halitherses | Is there a debian package to install mambo cms? |
| 07:33.02 | tonsofpcs | but what will netboot do for me? Won't it just netboot milo? |
| 07:33.06 | sid | SShadowcat: Does it say "User root does not exist" ? |
| 07:33.29 | Shadowcat | sid: can't test, this machine has root |
| 07:33.52 | Shadowcat | maikol: no, you edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
| 07:33.57 | ma3x_ | can anybody help me with this? I receive this cron error email warnings daily: http://pastebin.com/766842 |
| 07:34.07 | Shadowcat | renaming the account doesn't affect the user privileges |
| 07:34.07 | sid | Shadowcat: This machine has root also. |
| 07:34.10 | sid | I'm confused. |
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| 07:34.20 | Shadowcat | but if you changed the uid, that would be bad |
| 07:34.28 | Shadowcat | uid 0 means god in unix terms |
| 07:34.30 | sid | Halitherses: no there is not. |
| 07:34.33 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau: milo begins to boot locally, it just fails when swapping to PALcode (read: loading the next stage) |
| 07:34.37 | Shadowcat | as long as the account has uid 0 you can do pretty much anything |
| 07:34.41 | sid | Shadowcat: I did not change that. |
| 07:34.46 | dlynch | is there an easy way to lock a user in his/her home dir when logging in through ssh? |
| 07:34.55 | Shadowcat | but some stupid scripts assume the user's just called root |
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| 07:35.26 | Shadowcat | which as I've already said is really bad as "root" is the first thing you should change in a networked environment |
| 07:35.38 | Halitherses | Wll I corrupt my OS iI install mambo outside of the apt framework? |
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| 07:36.58 | michael117 | Could someone please recommend a good DynDNS updating client? |
| 07:37.05 | tuv | Halitherses, check stow and/or checkinstall for managing manual installs |
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| 07:37.19 | maikol | Shadowcat: do you have to restart for the changes to take effect or is there a "exportfs -re" type command |
| 07:37.52 | sid | Shadowcat: Is there anything I can change in this file ---> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Ox8mfF72.html to fix it? |
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| 07:39.44 | Shadowcat | uhh not in bash scripting mode |
| 07:39.45 | tuv | is xchat dbus plugin available anywhere in debian? |
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| 07:43.43 | sid | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=302127 |
| 07:43.47 | sid | How do I apply that patch? |
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| 07:45.49 | tarzeau | sid: download it and patch -p1 < the.patch ? |
| 07:45.55 | sid | john@cookooland:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.06/jre/plugin/i386$ ls |
| 07:45.55 | sid | ns7 ns7-gcc29 |
| 07:46.02 | sid | Which one of those do I want for firefox tarzeau? |
| 07:46.11 | tarzeau | i have no idea about firefox |
| 07:46.29 | tarzeau | looks like they are gcc dependent, if you have 3+ use the ns7 one? |
| 07:46.53 | sid | ok |
| 07:47.59 | tuv | does debian's xchat include the xchat-dbus plugin? |
| 07:48.20 | dlynch | is there an easy way to lock a user in his/her home dir when logging in through ssh?\ |
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| 07:49.34 | RvGaTe | dlynch: dont think thats possible... |
| 07:50.05 | tarzeau | dlynch: no |
| 07:51.20 | sid | tarzeau: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=302127 |
| 07:51.23 | sid | tarzeau: Is that a patch? |
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| 07:52.59 | richard | hey, i need some help setting up raid on a debian box |
| 07:53.13 | tarzeau | sid: no that looks like a bugnumber for a package |
| 07:53.27 | sid | tarzeau: yea, but it says "patch" |
| 07:53.29 | dlynch | RvGaTe: cool, I think it is its just hard :P |
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| 07:53.39 | dlynch | tarzeau: thanks as well ;) |
| 07:53.53 | sid | tarzeau: How do I fix /etc/init.d/ntp-server like he did? |
| 07:54.09 | richard | the problem is that i don't see any "md" devices |
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| 07:54.37 | richard | i have md_mod and raid5 loaded, and i can see /proc/mdstat |
| 07:54.44 | tarzeau | sid: patch and diff are patches for patch |
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| 07:54.53 | AoA | can somebody tell me something about this error : http://pastebin.ca/63147 |
| 07:55.01 | tarzeau | sid: no idea, just read and try, i must catch the bus |
| 07:55.12 | tarzeau | sid: for sarge, ntp works fine here |
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| 08:05.25 | richard | anyone know? |
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| 08:08.32 | liable | richard: did you actually create the array? what have you done? |
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| 08:09.46 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 08:10.06 | sid | jetscreamer or liable You guys know how to fix /etc/init.d/ntp-server ? |
| 08:10.21 | sid | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=302127 I'm not sure if this is a patch..or what to copy and what to type. |
| 08:10.39 | jetscreamer | not me, offhand |
| 08:11.03 | sid | jetscreamer: You see the link, is that a patch? |
| 08:11.24 | richard | sorry, got distracted |
| 08:11.31 | jetscreamer | nah it's how to reproduce the bug afaict |
| 08:11.33 | richard | liable: i haven't created the array yet |
| 08:11.42 | richard | it won't let me because the device isn't there |
| 08:11.49 | liable | sid: looks fairly easy to fix, two lines in the init script |
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| 08:12.38 | liable | richard: only done it with the installer myself, and havent really had to mess with it since, but this may help http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm |
| 08:12.49 | jetscreamer | this looks wrong to me: start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec /usr/sbin/ntpd -- -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -u $UGID |
| 08:12.59 | richard | thanks |
| 08:13.02 | jetscreamer | shouldn't it be guid? i know nothing |
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| 08:13.39 | sid | liable: The lines with --- I remove, and the ones with +++ I add? |
| 08:13.41 | liable | looks to be just the '|| true' bit is the patch |
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| 08:13.53 | liable | add that bit to the lines |
| 08:14.45 | sid | hmm, I did that and my shit is still borked. |
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| 08:15.49 | sid | liable: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Z04Eor52.html |
| 08:15.55 | sid | That is my /etc/init.d/ntp-server file. |
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| 08:16.13 | liable | i dunno if its xfce since upgrade or what but this box is so laggy atm :( |
| 08:16.18 | sid | And when I type "/etc/init.d/ntp-server restart" I get User root does not exist |
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| 08:16.38 | sid | cookooland:~# echo $USER |
| 08:16.38 | sid | root |
| 08:18.10 | RichiH | sid: there is whoami ;) |
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| 08:18.38 | sid | RichiH: You see what is wrong with /etc/init.d/ntp-server? |
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| 08:19.33 | liable | i dont quite understand what that part of the script is even meant to do.. |
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| 08:20.13 | sid | no idea |
| 08:20.47 | sid | liable: What are you on now, what distribution of GNU / Linux? |
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| 08:21.44 | liable | sid: debian. |
| 08:22.02 | sid | liable: What verion of debian? |
| 08:22.06 | liable | sid |
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| 08:22.19 | [Gnea] | lol |
| 08:22.19 | sid | damn |
| 08:22.20 | sid | lol |
| 08:22.35 | sid | liable: What happens when you type "/etc/init.d/ntp-server restart" ? |
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| 08:22.58 | richard | liable: running mknod creates a device but it doesn't show up in mdstat and its gone on reboot |
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| 08:24.01 | liable | sid: script silently exits |
| 08:24.07 | doublehp | which package to undel files on FAT.32 ? |
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| 08:25.21 | liable | heh, cause i dont have /usr/sbin/ntpd.. must have removed it at some point :) |
| 08:25.28 | sid | lol |
| 08:26.01 | liable | i think it was annoying me at boot up |
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| 08:26.52 | liable | richard: do you use udev? |
| 08:27.05 | doublehp | liable: you removed files from /usr manually ? |
| 08:27.27 | sid | [Gnea]: Are you using sid? |
| 08:27.30 | liable | doublehp: no i removed, but didnt purge the package |
| 08:27.32 | richard | liable: what's udev |
| 08:27.34 | AoA | is there anyway to unistall just one package using apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 08:27.42 | richard | hmm it appears to be working now |
| 08:27.50 | richard | question is will it stay there on reboot |
| 08:27.53 | doublehp | richard: if you dont have it, udev is what you want to install |
| 08:27.57 | liable | sid: interestingly, running that part of the script that givezs you an error, doesnt for me. |
| 08:27.57 | jetscreamer | yeah just apt-get remove blah |
| 08:28.07 | jetscreamer | or aptitude remove blah |
| 08:28.24 | richard | its installed |
| 08:28.57 | jetscreamer | see also apt-get remove --purge |
| 08:28.58 | [Gnea] | sid: yes |
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| 08:29.06 | liable | richard: then you may need to write udev rules, or make the partitions raidautodect for udev to create the device, google udev mdadm or so |
| 08:29.27 | richard | liable: thanks, i just got the array to come up |
| 08:29.28 | sid | [Gnea]: Do you get an error when you /etc/init.d/ntp-server restart? |
| 08:29.32 | richard | i'm rebooting to see if its still there |
| 08:30.25 | liable | richard: did you change your fstab and menu.lst though? |
| 08:30.33 | richard | menu.lst no |
| 08:30.37 | richard | fstab no |
| 08:30.49 | richard | i haven't actually put a filesystem on it yet tho |
| 08:31.00 | doublehp | liable: are you very good at udev topics ? |
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| 08:31.13 | richard | nope, the array is gone :( |
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| 08:32.51 | [Gnea] | !dbugs 325842 |
| 08:32.55 | dpkg | #325842:G[ntp-server] ntp-server: ntp Server loses all peers; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:03:04 UTC |
| 08:32.56 | AoA | jetscreamer but when I try to remove it tells me I must remove bilion other packages |
| 08:33.03 | [Gnea] | sid: seen that? ^^ |
| 08:33.19 | [Gnea] | filed almost a year ago, still open |
| 08:33.23 | jetscreamer | AoA: yeah that can be a side effect |
| 08:33.26 | jetscreamer | what package |
| 08:33.53 | liable | doublehp: not really |
| 08:33.56 | AoA | libglib2.0-0 and dev |
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| 08:34.10 | richard | liable: so what do i have to change to make it create the device and assemble the array on boot? |
| 08:34.25 | liable | sec talking on phone |
| 08:34.31 | jetscreamer | aoa the trick is to find another package that supplies what the one you're taking out does. uh why do you wnat to remove libglib2 |
| 08:34.45 | jetscreamer | !find libgliv2.0 |
| 08:34.50 | jetscreamer | err |
| 08:34.54 | jetscreamer | !find libglib2.0 |
| 08:34.55 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libglib2.0' (6): libglib2.0-0 ;; libglib2.0-0-dbg ;; libglib2.0-cil ;; libglib2.0-data ;; libglib2.0-dev ;; libglib2.0-doc. |
| 08:35.00 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libgliv2.0' returned no results. |
| 08:35.13 | jetscreamer | !info libglib2.0 |
| 08:35.42 | jetscreamer | !info libglib2.0-0 |
| 08:35.46 | dpkg | libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.10.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 483 kB, Installed size: 1048 kB |
| 08:36.11 | AoA | jetscreamer because I need newer for gtk+-2.8.18 |
| 08:36.28 | jetscreamer | did you try to install the newer first AoA ? |
| 08:36.40 | [Gnea] | sid: the only difference is that i don't have the '|| true' in both places |
| 08:36.44 | [Gnea] | sid: otherwise it works fine |
| 08:36.49 | jetscreamer | if so the newer probably isn't listed as supplying the required dependencies |
| 08:37.43 | jetscreamer | holy chit it would take everything |
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| 08:37.46 | sid | [Gnea]: When is the last time you did dist-upgrade? |
| 08:38.09 | jetscreamer | 2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 446 to remove and 53 not upgraded. |
| 08:38.13 | AoA | jetscreamer i didnt try to install newone over old one |
| 08:38.15 | [Gnea] | sid: couple weeks ago maybe |
| 08:38.26 | jetscreamer | aoa try installing it first, might help |
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| 08:38.38 | AoA | ok, I'll try |
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| 08:38.46 | jetscreamer | thank got for apt-get remove -s |
| 08:38.53 | jetscreamer | god even |
| 08:39.11 | jetscreamer | or gott |
| 08:39.47 | jetscreamer | might not help either btw |
| 08:39.55 | jetscreamer | but sure has a better chance |
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| 08:43.15 | liable | richard: if you have the second disk that is empty, make the partitions as raid auto, copy over, make the array, edit menu and fstab, reboot with fingers crossed and finish the array |
| 08:43.47 | richard | the partitions have to be raid auto |
| 08:43.48 | richard | right |
| 08:44.23 | liable | richard: i dont think they "have" to be, but you would need to google on how to do it otherwise |
| 08:45.06 | richard | do i need a raidtab if i'm not using raidtools? |
| 08:45.37 | liable | richard: actually, i think thats what the mdadm conf is for, other wise if they are raid auto, you dont need one |
| 08:45.42 | RvGaTe | could anyone try: telnet pc.rvgate.nl 6667, please? |
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| 08:45.57 | RvGaTe | or: nc pc.rvgate.nl 6667 |
| 08:47.01 | liable | richard: man mdadm.conf |
| 08:47.07 | richard | ok, they're now linux raid autodetect |
| 08:47.10 | richard | *crosses fingers* |
| 08:49.17 | richard | ok |
| 08:49.17 | richard | dam |
| 08:49.21 | richard | it wasn't detected |
| 08:49.22 | liable | richard: you changed the working disk to autodetect? |
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| 08:50.40 | richard | the working disk is a usb flash key |
| 08:51.03 | richard | i changed all the drives that are supposed to be members of the array to autodetect, saved the partition table, and rebooted |
| 08:51.18 | BuZzY_ | hello i have a phpBB2 forum installed on a server and want to export only the structure (i.e the sections and messages) whithout the theme configurations..how can i do that?i(i have phpmyadmin |
| 08:51.52 | liable | you are booting from a usb key, and have two hard drives or what? i dont quite understand |
| 08:51.56 | liable | richard: ^^ |
| 08:52.07 | richard | i'm booting from a usb key, yes |
| 08:52.14 | richard | and have 6 disks that i want in a raid5 array |
| 08:53.12 | liable | ok, then copy over to one of the disks everything, make a degraded array, edit fstab and menu.list and try to boot from the disks |
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| 08:53.15 | Forth | salut |
| 08:53.21 | sekh` | Forth: hello :) |
| 08:53.29 | Forth | salut sekh` |
| 08:53.46 | Forth | quelqu'un sait comment changer l'addresse mac d'une carte dans qemu |
| 08:53.53 | [Gnea] | !fr |
| 08:53.54 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:54.23 | sekh` | :) |
| 08:54.29 | richard | liable: that would defeat the pruposee of booting from usb |
| 08:55.02 | richard | i suppose i could make a script to bring up the array and run it manually |
| 08:55.07 | Forth | sorry |
| 08:55.09 | liable | richard: ok, so you want just data on the raid, no operating system stuff? |
| 08:55.17 | richard | yeah |
| 08:55.18 | richard | just data |
| 08:55.18 | [Gnea] | richard: i tried booting from a usb key earlier and it kept failing, couldn't figure out why so i said screwit and hooked a cdrom up |
| 08:55.40 | richard | i used a debian cdrom to install to the key |
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| 08:55.46 | richard | gnaa: ^^ |
| 08:55.49 | [Gnea] | nod |
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| 08:55.58 | liable | richard: man mdadm.conf and edit fstab |
| 08:56.05 | [Gnea] | !usb install |
| 08:56.05 | dpkg | it has been said that usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 08:56.14 | Forth | when I put -net nic,macaddr=01:02:03:04:05:06 ie, internal nic mac adress in qemu is still the default one and not the one I set up |
| 08:56.26 | [Gnea] | richard: i followed that several months ago with good results. tried again yesterday and it failed. |
| 08:56.38 | liable | i managed to get the installer working, but not an actuall install, might have to try that again soon |
| 08:57.05 | [Gnea] | post kept on saying NONEXISTANT BOOT DISK or something to that effect |
| 08:57.34 | [Gnea] | i know it should've worked because i had a netinstall on there for amd64 |
| 08:57.35 | liable | [Gnea]: key gone bad? sounds like bios doesnt see it |
| 08:57.39 | richard | liable: why do i have to edit fstabe? there's no filesystem on the raid yet |
| 08:58.03 | liable | richard: well, if you want to mount it. |
| 08:58.05 | [Gnea] | liable: NAFAICT, it worked fine on a couple systems as far as getting it setup, formatted, etc |
| 08:58.17 | richard | i do, but right now i'm more concerned about making the raid array come up on boot |
| 08:58.50 | liable | richard: reading the mdadm init script may give you a pointer or twpo as we;; |
| 08:59.44 | richard | ok, thanks |
| 09:00.40 | liable | mdadm-raid anyway |
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| 09:03.42 | fireba11 | wtf? |
| 09:03.47 | Freduardo | wtf |
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| 09:04.14 | iwalker | bantam : its not nice to page people like that... |
| 09:04.16 | iKernel | Right then, guys. Now that things have been stolen off my runescape account, I am going to be uber paranoid. |
| 09:04.25 | sid | lol |
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| 09:04.29 | Freduardo | happened in #ubuntu too |
| 09:04.33 | sid | Good way to wake everyone up though. |
| 09:04.37 | Freduardo | just a few minutes ago |
| 09:04.57 | doublehp | [Gnea] Freduardo has he been glined ? |
| 09:05.09 | [Gnea] | doublehp: no idea |
| 09:05.25 | [Gnea] | but he's gone, or changed nick |
| 09:05.30 | AoA | Is it posibble that some application cannot work with newer package ? |
| 09:05.40 | [Gnea] | AoA: yes. |
| 09:05.41 | doublehp | AoA: y |
| 09:05.46 | AoA | ok :) |
| 09:05.58 | AoA | but why ? |
| 09:06.12 | azeem | if that package is backward-incompatible |
| 09:06.18 | azeem | that is bad, but happens sometimes |
| 09:06.29 | AoA | but that is not often ? |
| 09:06.47 | [Gnea] | as often as often occurs |
| 09:06.52 | azeem | depends on how you define often in this context |
| 09:06.53 | DimmuR | yes - especially in qt3asisstant now |
| 09:06.59 | Forth | nobody knows for my qemu problem ? |
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| 09:07.12 | iKernel | I'm going to use ClamAV, I'm going to encrypt my password, I'm going to make a password by hitting random letters and numbers on the keyboard, and lastly, I'm going to write the password down in binary. |
| 09:07.23 | iKernel | And I'm not going to tell ANYONE my password. |
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| 09:07.29 | bartden | does a live cd need a hd ? |
| 09:07.31 | [Gnea] | iKernel: heh. |
| 09:07.37 | azeem | Forth: maybe you can increase the debug level or something, and get a message why it happens? |
| 09:07.40 | [Gnea] | bartden: no |
| 09:07.43 | iKernel | If anyone manages to get into my account, I will be very suprised. |
| 09:07.44 | bartden | k thx |
| 09:07.46 | azeem | Forth: or see whether there is a dedicated #qemu chan |
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| 09:09.18 | iKernel | The fact that I'm using linux and I'm going to scan my hard drive for viruses makes a 0.01 chance of a hacker stealing my password by exploiting my PC. |
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| 09:09.51 | iKernel | The fact that I will write down the password in binary will make it very unlikely that someone will guess my password. |
| 09:09.57 | iKernel | whoops |
| 09:10.11 | iKernel | i meant it will make it unlikely that they will get it by reading it |
| 09:10.18 | [Gnea] | iKernel: justification is great, only when it's done logically :) |
| 09:10.46 | ktwilight | why can't ya just keep the pass in your head...instead of puttin' it somewhere else....? |
| 09:11.11 | [Gnea] | ktwilight: not enough inodes, perhaps :) |
| 09:11.29 | iKernel | The fact that I will have a long password with random letters and numbers will make it extermenly improbable for someone to guess my password. |
| 09:11.57 | [Gnea] | iKernel: why are you telling us this? |
| 09:12.03 | iKernel | And the fact that I encrypt my hard drive will make it more unlikely that a hacker will get my password by exploiting my computer. |
| 09:12.07 | iKernel | [Gnea], because. |
| 09:12.10 | ktwilight | aw :( |
| 09:12.38 | iKernel | ktwilight, It will be very hard to remember a password like 4654495865409543jgfido |
| 09:12.41 | iKernel | so no |
| 09:12.55 | ktwilight | well...... |
| 09:13.02 | ktwilight | it is easy actually...once ya get used to it |
| 09:13.15 | peterS | with that many 4s in it, sure |
| 09:13.21 | ktwilight | it's like how a baby can learn so much crap until s/he dies... |
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| 09:13.37 | iKernel | mind you, there's a limit of 5-10 charecters for rs pass |
| 09:13.40 | peterS | ktwilight: you just had to bring dead babies into it |
| 09:14.12 | ktwilight | sorry if it was disheartening. :/ |
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| 09:15.50 | bartden | what is the smallest live cd available ? |
| 09:16.31 | liable | prolly dsl unless you just want a boot floppy |
| 09:17.01 | peterS | DSL is a live CD? I thought it was just an installer |
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| 09:17.25 | [Gnea] | !dsl |
| 09:17.26 | dpkg | i guess dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 09:17.30 | bartden | :) |
| 09:17.31 | liable | hrm, no, i think its live, though i cant say for sure as i have never actually used |
| 09:17.34 | liable | it |
| 09:17.43 | [Gnea] | dsl is both. |
| 09:17.55 | [Gnea] | it's a livecd that you can use to install to physical media, if you prefer |
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| 09:19.22 | umar | hi |
| 09:19.52 | liable | how the hell can i tell whats causing switching to other windows to be so laggy? |
| 09:19.52 | umar | whether ubuntu is lab compliant? |
| 09:20.08 | liable | umar: better to ask in #ubuntu |
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| 09:20.14 | umar | ubuntu is LSB compliant????????????? |
| 09:20.23 | liable | !ep |
| 09:20.23 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! OK???" |
| 09:20.51 | iKernel | What numbering systems are there apart from base 10, binary, octal and hex? |
| 09:21.08 | petemc | umar: ask #ubuntu , this is #debian |
| 09:21.14 | AoA | !ep |
| 09:21.15 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! OK???" |
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| 09:21.34 | azeem | AoA: please /msg the bot |
| 09:21.41 | AoA | ok |
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| 09:22.30 | PSIplus | hi |
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| 09:22.36 | liable | thats funny, as soon as i mention it, it stops being so laggy.. |
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| 09:22.44 | iKernel | O.m.G!!!!!! Using.... ALOT (I mean alot) of puncation... It is irrtating!!!!! Verry irritating;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; O.M.G.... Stop it!!!! |
| 09:22.51 | liable | crazy stuff! |
| 09:23.08 | peterS | iKernel: a lot of things that are funny the first time aren't funny 30 seconds later |
| 09:23.27 | iKernel | liable, Murphey's law |
| 09:23.34 | Maulkin | ... |
| 09:23.48 | Maulkin | Where did the topic go? |
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| 09:23.55 | liable | iKernel: well, seeing as its being doing it since yesterday.. |
| 09:24.10 | iKernel | liable, "Upon presenting your mulfunctioning machine to the repair man, it will function perfectly" or something like that |
| 09:24.52 | iKernel | Maulkin, Do we have to always talk about debian/linux in the linux channel? We need more freedom than just the one topic |
| 09:24.55 | peterS | iKernel: number systems that are of any use? you can have any integer greater than 1 as a number base, if you want, but most people don't |
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| 09:25.28 | liable | iKernel: as a repair man of other things at one time, i know this happens quite frequently, or the other way round, as soon as you fix it, it breaks upon leaving. |
| 09:25.34 | zinx | iKernel: Heisen's Law? |
| 09:25.36 | peterS | iKernel: the Sumerians did a lot of things in base 60, and we still reckon divisions of hours and minutes that way |
| 09:25.36 | liable | Maliuta: still here for me. |
| 09:25.47 | liable | erm, Maulkin ^^ |
| 09:25.48 | iKernel | peterS, But I want one that I can use a converter with. One that not many people know about |
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| 09:26.26 | iKernel | liable, cool |
| 09:26.45 | peterS | iKernel: may I suggest inventing a letter-substitution cipher |
| 09:27.17 | Maulkin | iKernel: No, but it seemed to have dissapeared for a rather long time :) |
| 09:27.33 | peterS | iKernel: or a number->letter cipher - pick a word or phrase with 10 letters that don't repeat, and use one letter per digit |
| 09:27.50 | liable | ok, another thing, there was a little program that would give the pid of whatever is spinning up my disk, anyone have an idea what it was? |
| 09:28.08 | umar | any body knows progeny irc channel |
| 09:28.15 | Maulkin | #progeny ? |
| 09:28.20 | liable | i think it may have been part of a source package before it was included in the repos |
| 09:29.33 | sid | liable: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/KbpsJe95.html (I took ntp-server from testing) |
| 09:29.40 | iKernel | peterS, hmm you mean some numbers, assign letters to the numbers, and write down those letters? |
| 09:29.42 | peterS | iKernel: so like if you pick 'forthedunk', f means 1, o means 2, ..., k means 0 |
| 09:29.47 | sid | The version from sid doesn't work( http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/tSiOL327.html ) |
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| 09:30.11 | peterS | iKernel: that's what I use for combination locks. then I scratch the letter equivalents onto the metal lock housing. |
| 09:30.30 | sid | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=329746 the bug is 258 days old, it would appear. |
| 09:30.35 | liable | sid: did you try just commenting the GUID bits? |
| 09:30.57 | peterS | iKernel: the "message" is so short that almost no pattern can be discerned from it that would help an attacker guess it in less time than they could brute force it anyway |
| 09:31.02 | iKernel | peterS, but then I would want to program a converter, is there like a howto on how to make a cipher converter? |
| 09:31.20 | peterS | iKernel: for the simple letter/number thing, you just keep it in your head. it's not that hard once you get used to it |
| 09:31.31 | sid | liable: yes, that's what the etch init.d script does |
| 09:31.56 | peterS | iKernel: anyway, substitution ciphers are a matter of running tr. like, tr '1234567890' 'forthedunk' or vice versa |
| 09:32.07 | liable | sid: yeah, maybe the changelog supplies some info on why he added it |
| 09:32.40 | umar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:33.01 | peterS | umar: wtf, anaconda is old technology. maybe progeny debian. |
| 09:33.16 | lord_rob | umar: progeny |
| 09:33.28 | umar | peterS ..i mean graphical installer |
| 09:33.32 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 09:33.36 | sid | * Also set the user ID when restarting. Closes: #299904, #299874 |
| 09:33.36 | sid | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.40 | Shadowcat | idiots will always be idiots |
| 09:33.45 | liable | umar: ubuntu has graphic shits |
| 09:33.53 | umar | Other than progeny? any distro |
| 09:33.53 | Shadowcat | a guy was flooding #windows earlier |
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| 09:34.03 | Shadowcat | sshed to his box, root login enabled by default |
| 09:34.05 | Shadowcat | MORON |
| 09:34.33 | lord_rob | Shadowcat: enabled by default == without password ? |
| 09:34.33 | liable | Shadowcat: hrm, dont open that can of worms, sarge allows it by default |
| 09:34.43 | cahoot | haha |
| 09:34.44 | peterS | umar: but unless you speak an Indian language which can't be properly rendered on a text console, why would you want a graphical installer? |
| 09:34.53 | Shadowcat | lord_rob: no not blank pass, but it asked me for a password |
| 09:34.53 | iKernel | Shadowcat, who was he? |
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| 09:35.06 | Shadowcat | which would mean that a brute force attack would get me the password within the hour |
| 09:35.19 | Shadowcat | 24.168.251.71 |
| 09:35.22 | peterS | umar: and if that's your case, you should be asking if there are distributions whose installers are translated into Tamil or whatever it is you speak |
| 09:35.26 | liable | not neccessarily |
| 09:35.28 | Shadowcat | he floods the channel once in a while |
| 09:35.30 | lord_rob | Shadowcat: what's wrong with allowing ssh as root ? ssh != telnet |
| 09:35.32 | litage | why does this not match any line that contains "magic_" but doesn't begin with a semi-colon?: egrep -i '^[^;].*magic_' some_file |
| 09:35.38 | iKernel | Shadowcat, Depends on how big the password is |
| 09:36.00 | Shadowcat | lord_rob: it's wrong because you can brute force passwors easily with modern day computers |
| 09:36.02 | peterS | litage: it'll miss lines which begin with 'magic_' |
| 09:36.21 | Shadowcat | so if you have ssh root login enabled |
| 09:36.39 | Shadowcat | and it's a 24/7 box, with ssh running on port 22, it'd take less than a day to "root" it |
| 09:36.47 | cahoot | Shadowcat: what made you trying to access his box? |
| 09:36.58 | iKernel | Shadowcat, Besides, it doesn't matter. Even if root isn't enabled by default, it's just ssh root@24.168.251.71 |
| 09:37.00 | Shadowcat | cahoot: he flooded #windows, that's what |
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| 09:37.17 | litage | peterS: why is that? only the semi-colon is within the clause that says "don't match these" |
| 09:37.19 | cahoot | Shadowcat: and that gives you right to intrude? think again |
| 09:37.19 | Shadowcat | I figure if he thinks Windows sucks, let's see what he's running |
| 09:37.31 | Shadowcat | cahoot: as I said, I tested it, didn't login |
| 09:37.35 | peterS | litage: because you asserted that there is at least one character at the beginning of the line, _before_ the 'magic_' starts |
| 09:37.41 | litage | ahhhh |
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| 09:37.51 | lord_rob | Shadowcat: you mean trying 257890 root login attempts ? I don't think it will be so easy to do these tries |
| 09:37.55 | peterS | litage: that character isn't a semicolon, but it also isn't part of the word 'magic_' |
| 09:38.00 | umar | i think only progeny is with graphical installer |
| 09:38.14 | peterS | umar: which language do you speak, out of curiosity? |
| 09:38.19 | Shadowcat | lord_rob: there are scripts that do that for you automatically |
| 09:38.23 | liable | umar: i told you. ubuntu does now |
| 09:38.26 | peterS | umar: I don't think progeny is translated into very many languages |
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| 09:38.49 | umar | which version of ubuntu u r speaking |
| 09:38.57 | Shadowcat | lord_rob: when I had my ssh box online before I read the security how-tos |
| 09:38.59 | umar | i saw dapper that is livecd |
| 09:39.00 | liable | the latest apparently |
| 09:39.02 | peterS | !r |
| 09:39.03 | dpkg | r is probably a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 09:39.05 | Shadowcat | I had the thing running on the standard port |
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| 09:39.20 | Shadowcat | and checking syslog I would see these robots probing port 22 with different accounts |
| 09:39.29 | umar | Peters:why u r talking about only langages |
| 09:39.32 | Chandu | Can I know how hwdata and kudzu works |
| 09:39.37 | lord_rob | Shadowcat: well after some failed ssh login attemps |
| 09:39.50 | peterS | umar: because if you don't speak an Indian language, which is hard to render on text consoles, I can't imagine why you would care about graphics in an installer |
| 09:39.51 | lord_rob | attemps login is disabled, isn't it ? |
| 09:39.55 | litage | so if i replace the '*' with a '?', why does that still not match?: egrep -i '^[^;].?magic_' |
| 09:40.00 | Shadowcat | lord_rob: and then enabled again |
| 09:40.15 | peterS | litage: it is the [^;] which matches the character before the word 'magic_' |
| 09:40.15 | liable | Shadowcat: theres the rescent iptables module that can take care of that stuff too. |
| 09:40.19 | cahoot | whay not use AllowUsers? |
| 09:40.20 | Shadowcat | point is if you have root login enabled and ssh running on port 22, someone will get in sooner or later if it's a 24/7 box |
| 09:40.32 | umar | peter:ok but how it will be debian with other than debian debian -installer |
| 09:40.35 | iKernel | I think this is what he's running: FreeBSD-20040419 |
| 09:40.46 | umar | how it looks like i want |
| 09:40.46 | Shadowcat | iKernel: ya I know what he's running |
| 09:40.48 | umar | to know |
| 09:40.48 | lord_rob | Shadowcat: sure but it will take ages to bruteforce given that condition |
| 09:40.53 | iKernel | Shadowcat, k |
| 09:40.55 | peterS | umar: I don't understand your question |
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| 09:41.01 | Shadowcat | lord_rob: not ages, just a week, at max |
| 09:41.20 | Shadowcat | lord_rob: and most people don't check /var/syslog nearly often enough on their spare 24/7 boxes |
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| 09:41.45 | umar | whether any debian distro is supporting anaconda other than progeny ..whether progeny is release |
| 09:41.46 | umar | d |
| 09:41.58 | Shadowcat | I don't see why debian needs to support anaconda |
| 09:41.58 | litage | peterS: ah gotcha. thanks :) |
| 09:42.00 | peterS | progeny is several years old |
| 09:42.04 | liable | reportlog is nice for a quick glance at that sort of thing |
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| 09:42.13 | Shadur | What the hell is anaconda? |
| 09:42.20 | Shadur | Some sort of python clone? |
| 09:42.38 | lord_rob | :) |
| 09:42.47 | Shadowcat | in fact the debian installer is a lot more versatile than Anaconda |
| 09:42.52 | lord_rob | Shadowcat: red hat installer |
| 09:42.54 | Shadowcat | Anaconda is Red Hat's gui installer |
| 09:42.55 | umar | any how its a new thing id debian world...anaconda |
| 09:43.03 | Shadowcat | lord_rob: I know what it is |
| 09:43.11 | peterS | umar: it is not a new thing. anaconda, and progeny, are _years_ old |
| 09:43.15 | lord_rob | sorry Shadowcat i meant Shadur |
| 09:43.16 | Hyber | Hi all, what is the traceroute util called where is gives packetloss information? |
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| 09:43.20 | Shadowcat | lord_rob: point is, don't run ssh on port 22, and for god sakes disable the root login |
| 09:43.36 | peterS | Hyber: I guess you mean ping |
| 09:43.47 | umar | whether progenty is available for free to download |
| 09:44.05 | Hyber | peterS: no I tried ping -f, but I cant see witch router that gives the packetloss |
| 09:44.18 | peterS | umar: we stopped caring about progeny about 4 years ago, we have no idea whether it's still available |
| 09:44.35 | Shadur | Hyber: mtr |
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| 09:45.08 | Hyber | Shadur: YES! thats the one.. Thanks :-) |
| 09:45.11 | Sir_J | hi guys |
| 09:45.20 | Sir_J | where can I find gtf utility ? |
| 09:45.22 | lord_rob | umar: http://lists.progeny.com/archive/cl-workers/200508/msg00151.html |
| 09:45.27 | Sir_J | for constructing modelines |
| 09:45.27 | Sir_J | ? |
| 09:45.37 | Sir_J | i mean what the package |
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| 09:46.56 | fontp | which comes first in the boot process, interfaces coming up or services being started ? |
| 09:47.05 | Shadowcat | right now services |
| 09:47.14 | Shadowcat | which kind of screws things like ntp up if the network isn't up |
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| 09:48.01 | Shadowcat | but you can add auto eth0 to /etc/network/interfaces if it annoys you |
| 09:48.05 | DonLemmi | Hi, can anyone in here tell me, if those packet-groups one can select during the install-process also are available via apt-get? |
| 09:48.13 | liable | which services? |
| 09:48.31 | liable | DonLemmi: like the desktop or server stuff? |
| 09:48.34 | linuzmanju | DonLemmi, Yes all of them and a few more |
| 09:48.48 | Shadowcat | liable: ntp usually loads before eth0 can acquire an ip on this machine |
| 09:48.56 | Shadowcat | so that kind of screws up the time sync |
| 09:49.03 | Shadowcat | also it causes problems with ddclient as well |
| 09:49.05 | fontp | i was worried that the machine wasn't coming back up right. it was just taking an abnormally long time to boot. |
| 09:49.28 | Shadowcat | fontp: what may be happening is that services that require ips won't work properly if they don't auto-refresh |
| 09:49.33 | Shadowcat | at least that's how etch does it |
| 09:49.42 | Shadowcat | if you're running sarge, it's ip first, then services |
| 09:49.45 | liable | Shadowcat: yeah, i removed it from this laptop cause its wpa and makes boot hang waiting, though if it was wired i wouldnt o thought it would be so bad |
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| 09:50.00 | linuzmanju | Shadowcat, I faced a similar problem.. I have a script written for it... Which waits for the network to come up properly and moves on to the next scripts |
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| 09:50.19 | Shadowcat | linuzmanju: it can be solved by just adding auto eth0 after auto eth1 |
| 09:50.23 | Shadowcat | err auto lo I mean |
| 09:50.29 | Shadowcat | but as for right now it's screwy |
| 09:50.54 | linuzmanju | Shadowcat, Yes... But.. I had a different problem... |
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| 09:51.11 | Shadowcat | linuzmanju: hmm what was the problem? |
| 09:51.21 | linuzmanju | Shadowcat, I have a NFS share which needs to be mounted,, Before the users log in... |
| 09:51.22 | liable | DonLemmi: not sure, but i think you want to try 'tasksel' |
| 09:51.31 | Shadowcat | linuzmanju: ah yes, that's a BIG problem |
| 09:51.48 | linuzmanju | Shadowcat, But the damn.. eth0 interface was taking too long to come up completely.. |
| 09:52.02 | Shadowcat | linuzmanju: if you add auto eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:52.03 | DonLemmi | liable, thanks, i'll try tasksel |
| 09:52.09 | r_marvin | linuzmanju: sorry, i missed all the discussion, but can't it be done from a "up" directive in network/interfaces? |
| 09:52.09 | Shadowcat | it will wait for it to come up as it runs dhclient eth0 |
| 09:52.10 | linuzmanju | Shadowcat, B4 it comes up the nfs services would try to mount it.. creating a chaos |
| 09:52.39 | liable | DonLemmi: its a command, not package btw. :) |
| 09:52.56 | Shadowcat | auto eth0 | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 09:53.02 | linuzmanju | r_marvin, It was coming up.. But taking too long .. Say 30 seconds.. Once the network script runs.. Till then i would not be able to ping anything.. |
| 09:53.04 | r_marvin | or you could try messing with the service order in rc.S and rc.2 |
| 09:53.04 | DonLemmi | yes, i found it |
| 09:53.05 | Shadowcat | that's what I can put in there to ensure that it coems up |
| 09:53.11 | DonLemmi | its perfect, thanks alot |
| 09:53.20 | Shadowcat | linuzmanju: as I said, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:53.26 | Shadowcat | the boot process waits for dhclient |
| 09:53.29 | Shadowcat | comes* |
| 09:53.32 | liable | linuzmanju: cant give it static ip? |
| 09:53.47 | linuzmanju | Shadowcat, I have a static ip.. assigned to it |
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| 09:54.02 | Shadowcat | linuzmanju: then just pass it the proper arguments in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:54.04 | liable | then whats it wait for? |
| 09:54.12 | Shadowcat | auto eth0 is the key, then it'll bring it up before anything else |
| 09:54.17 | Shadowcat | see man 5 interfaces |
| 09:54.43 | Shadowcat | liable: the new system waits for hotplug to detect a viable network link before doing anything |
| 09:54.47 | linuzmanju | liable, Man.. I think Its the switch which was causing the delay.. I guess... It would come up eventually.. But after some time... |
| 09:54.50 | linuzmanju | say 30 seconds |
| 09:55.00 | Shadowcat | and that could take up to 30 seconds, which is enough time for some services that need ips to start loading |
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| 09:55.05 | Shadowcat | which would obviously cause a problem |
| 09:55.26 | Shadowcat | ntp loads very early in the process, usually the first or second service, and so does samba and nfs |
| 09:55.39 | Shadowcat | and if it takes 30 seconds there just isn't an ip for them to use when they load |
| 09:56.49 | liable | what i was wondering was, why would it take so long to establish a static ip link? |
| 09:56.57 | linuzmanju | Shadowcat, Yea.. the ip will be there.. say if i ping the interface ip at that time.. It would ping.. But other hosts It wouldnt for the next 30 seconds |
| 09:57.18 | linuzmanju | liable, I guess arp in one of the switch |
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| 09:58.15 | Shadowcat | liable: the establishment of the link, static or dynamic takes around 2-5 seconds |
| 09:58.27 | Shadowcat | it's hotplug that takes up to 15-20 seconds to get there |
| 09:58.40 | Shadowcat | unless you put auto eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:58.56 | linuzmanju | Shadowcat, auuto eth0 is there... |
| 09:59.18 | Shadowcat | linuzmanju: then pass the correct arguments for it underneath |
| 09:59.20 | Shadowcat | and it should wait |
| 09:59.36 | Shadowcat | as described in man 5 interfaces |
| 10:00.00 | linuzmanju | Shadowcat, well.. Can u be presize |
| 10:00.11 | Shadowcat | you have to read the man page |
| 10:00.15 | Shadowcat | it'll tell you what to do |
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| 10:00.35 | linuzmanju | Shadowcat, Now what i have done is .. Immediately after the network initialization script.... I put one more script.. and |
| 10:00.47 | Shadowcat | ya you don't need that |
| 10:00.57 | Shadowcat | you just need the right stuff in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:00.58 | linuzmanju | whcih pings a host continuously.. |
| 10:01.18 | linuzmanju | once the ping request starts coming.. It will load the next service |
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| 10:01.52 | h|barbobot | is xserver-common a broken package for anyone else? |
| 10:02.00 | h|barbobot | or did i screw something up? |
| 10:02.06 | Shadowcat | h|barbobot: read the topic |
| 10:02.10 | Shadowcat | first link |
| 10:02.12 | h|barbobot | oh sorry |
| 10:02.13 | h|barbobot | haha |
| 10:02.34 | Netcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.44 | Shadowcat | you DON'T want to do that |
| 10:02.51 | linuzmanju | Netcad, a Very bad idea... |
| 10:03.09 | Netcad | why? |
| 10:03.30 | linuzmanju | Netcad, If u really care your ass with security issues.. |
| 10:03.32 | linuzmanju | :) |
| 10:03.39 | Shadowcat | because it would let any user that could mount an smb share to modify your website |
| 10:03.51 | Shadowcat | along with the fact that it might screw up scripts in that directory |
| 10:04.18 | peterS | Netcad: add a section to smb.conf. 'man 5 smb.conf', it is very well documented |
| 10:04.37 | linuzmanju | Netcad, A better idea would be to use webdav.. with basic auth |
| 10:04.39 | h|barbobot | Shadowcat: thanks man |
| 10:04.47 | Shadowcat | h|barbobot: np |
| 10:05.40 | Netcad | peterS : thanks |
| 10:06.20 | Chandu | is there any command to start the service like "service " command in Redhat |
| 10:06.27 | Shadowcat | no |
| 10:06.36 | Shadowcat | use /etc/init.d/<name> |
| 10:06.42 | linuzmanju | Chandu, /etc/init.d/service restart |
| 10:06.47 | Shadowcat | {start|reload|restart|stop} |
| 10:07.40 | Chandu | Yaa I know that |
| 10:07.52 | liable | !services |
| 10:07.53 | dpkg | methinks services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers, or |
| 10:08.36 | Chandu | But instead of giving /etc/init.d/service restart , is there any thing to start like "service network restart" which is in Redhat |
| 10:09.01 | linuzmanju | man sv |
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| 10:09.05 | Shadowcat | oh for crying out loud |
| 10:09.08 | Shadowcat | lazy admin |
| 10:09.38 | liable | not really, some things like apache have there own thing, but init.d is the debian way |
| 10:09.53 | Chandu | ok , How to use telnet |
| 10:09.55 | linuzmanju | invoke-rc.d start service |
| 10:10.01 | linuzmanju | Chandu, invoke-rc.d start service |
| 10:10.04 | liable | oh, yeah.. |
| 10:10.10 | Shadowcat | actually init.d is how every other major system V distro does it |
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| 10:10.23 | Shadowcat | service is a VERY red hat specific command |
| 10:10.50 | dimir | :-D |
| 10:10.57 | Chandu | I am giving "telnet <ipaddress> " but I am gettng this error message "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 10:10.58 | Chandu | " |
| 10:11.05 | Shadowcat | why are you using telnet? |
| 10:11.08 | Shadowcat | !telnet |
| 10:11.08 | dpkg | i heard telnet is an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. It is very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using ssh instead. see telnet-ssl, this one has encryption and certificates support (but that's useless without a remote telnetd-ssl except to play and telnet to an https web server) |
| 10:11.09 | linuzmanju | Chandu, That means what it says |
| 10:11.16 | linuzmanju | The service isnot running |
| 10:11.32 | Shadowcat | and shouldn't be running, EVER; ssh exists for a reason |
| 10:11.32 | peterS | Chandu: connection refused means the other end isn't running a telnet service, or a firewall in between doesn't think you should be using it |
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| 10:11.51 | Shadur | Shadowcat: Maybe on MUSH servers and the like? :) |
| 10:12.00 | Chandu | Iam using ssh but just I want to try it out |
| 10:12.13 | Shadur | peterS: Me, too. Generally to the SMTP port. |
| 10:12.13 | liable | kinky! |
| 10:12.29 | peterS | Shadowcat: oh, not on my own machines. this is on td161.testdrive.hp.com, if you must know. HP's testdrive network firewalls off port 22. |
| 10:12.29 | Shadur | Or port 2601 one more than one occasion. |
| 10:12.38 | Chandu | other end isn't running telnet service means |
| 10:12.45 | Shadowcat | peterS: so run ssh on some other port then |
| 10:12.51 | Chandu | Is telnet service to be running in both the sides |
| 10:12.56 | peterS | Shadowcat: not my machine, I don't have root on HP's testdrive machines. |
| 10:13.04 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 10:13.16 | ma3x | can anybody help me with this? I receive this cron error email warnings daily: http://pastebin.com/766842 |
| 10:13.18 | Shadowcat | someone should lynch the admin that set that up |
| 10:13.22 | peterS | I wish I did, but I don't. those are public access servers running HP's hardware platforms and supported OSes. (In this case, sarge on alpha.) |
| 10:13.31 | linuzmanju | Chandu, no need.. Go to the box.. which runs.. telnet service |
| 10:13.44 | linuzmanju | and do.. telnet localhost and see if it accepts connection |
| 10:14.02 | Shadowcat | hmm well ok, public access is acceptable I guess |
| 10:14.27 | Shadowcat | but if you were using it to administer a server remotely, you really need a BIG wake up call |
| 10:14.47 | peterS | Shadowcat: yeah, I have no sensitive data or reason to care about the security of my account on those machines. I guess it goes without saying that I don't use the same password there that I use anywhere I care about |
| 10:14.58 | Chandu | No in terminal I gave "telnet localhost" it is not conneting |
| 10:15.16 | h|barbobot | okay then telnet isnt running |
| 10:15.25 | Shadowcat | more like not installed |
| 10:15.26 | Chandu | How to start |
| 10:15.37 | Shadowcat | telnet has to be installed manually on most modern distros |
| 10:15.43 | Shadowcat | it's not there by default, as it should be |
| 10:15.49 | linuzmanju | Chandu, that means the service aint running |
| 10:16.09 | Chandu | which service has to be run |
| 10:16.13 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 10:16.15 | Shadowcat | right I'm off |
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| 10:16.19 | Chandu | I dont have any service named telnet in /etc/init.d |
| 10:16.20 | Shadowcat | good luck helping him |
| 10:17.06 | h|barbobot | Chandu: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 10:17.10 | h|barbobot | ssh servername |
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| 10:18.22 | Chandu | Is this for ssh or telnet |
| 10:19.09 | h|barbobot | oh, its definitly telnet. |
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| 10:20.52 | liable | hrm, seems its syslog, dunno why i didnt try just stopping it before... |
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| 10:21.13 | liable | stupid cd drive errors |
| 10:21.14 | Chandu | hey opnssh-server is not found in debian stable repo |
| 10:21.27 | RichiH | hmm, can i make kill kill all children of a process, too? |
| 10:22.27 | Shadur | Chandu: In stable, it's just ssh |
| 10:22.37 | Noboru | hi guys |
| 10:23.19 | Noboru | can i ask, in vmware to recompile kernel,nothing special than doing it in a true linux env. ? |
| 10:23.51 | Chandu | yaa ssh is installed |
| 10:23.59 | Chandu | Tell me the syntax how to use telnet |
| 10:24.13 | Chandu | How can I connect to the pc which is next to me |
| 10:24.52 | Peresko | telnet user@host port |
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| 10:25.22 | petemc | Chandu: telnet hostname port |
| 10:25.55 | h|barbobot | petemc: hes trolling |
| 10:26.12 | petemc | oh righ |
| 10:26.13 | petemc | t |
| 10:26.23 | Chandu | port no |
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| 10:29.56 | doublehp | which package to undel files on FAT.32 ? |
| 10:30.59 | Chandu | hey I gave telnet 192.168.2.16 25 |
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| 10:31.07 | Chandu | But Its not connecting |
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| 10:31.40 | Shadur | Chandu: that means you don't have a smtp server running on that system. |
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| 10:31.48 | Peresko | can u ping host? |
| 10:31.55 | Shadur | Or there's a firewall that doesn't want you to send mail from your system to that system. |
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| 10:32.29 | jcdubacq | I would like to use lm-sensors (sid/unstable), but typing "sensors" (as root) returns: Can't access procfs/sysfs file |
| 10:32.30 | ktwilight | is there such a proxy that redirects ssh requests to a defined port number in sshd_config? |
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| 10:32.48 | jcdubacq | I have a recent kernel (2.6.16). Anybody knows? |
| 10:32.49 | Chandu | Hey Iam not getting why for telnet smpt to be runnung |
| 10:32.54 | jcdubacq | (and sysfs is mounted) |
| 10:33.23 | visik7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:40.14 | liable | visik7: ask in #madwifi, i believe kelmo has made the packages already, just waiting on a few thing to put it in the repo |
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| 10:46.39 | liable | syslog is pissing me off. |
| 10:48.06 | petemc | whys that then? |
| 10:48.27 | liable | keeps spinning up my hard drive |
| 10:48.40 | liable | laptop |
| 10:49.16 | Dewi | liable: mmmm. That thing where you can run Dapper Drake off the CD but persist onto a USB drive has that downfall too. |
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| 10:49.42 | Dewi | liable: you don't want to write to one of those all day... |
| 10:50.19 | Dewi | liable: you could stuff /var/log into a ramdrive or something.... |
| 10:50.36 | ma3x | how do I restrict the user to be able to view only his processes, not all? |
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| 10:52.01 | Dewi | ma3x: why? |
| 10:52.04 | oediv | anyone in here running sarge with xfree and the ati fglrx driver? |
| 10:52.11 | doublehp | how to undel files on FAT ? |
| 10:52.19 | ma3x | Dewi, because of privacy reasons |
| 10:52.33 | Dewi | ma3x: take away access to 'ps' and 'top'? |
| 10:52.35 | doublehp | oediv: any one still running sarge+xfree ? |
| 10:52.39 | streuner | doublehp: restore |
| 10:53.01 | ma3x | Dewi, but I still want the user to be able to do 'ps aux' but only his processes to be displayed, and not all. |
| 10:53.32 | liable | ma3x: you sont want them to see the instance of mplayer running "Dirty sluts V5"?? |
| 10:53.37 | liable | :P |
| 10:53.40 | oediv | doublehp: i am, it's the stable version, isnt it? |
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| 10:53.56 | ma3x | liable, hehehe |
| 10:54.08 | ma3x | how did you know? |
| 10:54.14 | Dewi | ma3x: I've only ever been so protected by having ps and top denied of me |
| 10:54.30 | doublehp | streuner: cant find that in SID |
| 10:54.32 | ma3x | Dewi, but then you can't even view your own processes |
| 10:54.42 | liable | ma3x: cause i have root on your box :) |
| 10:54.50 | streuner | doublehp: restore from backup? |
| 10:55.10 | doublehp | streuner: no, its a non backed up drive |
| 10:55.20 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 10:55.20 | dpkg | well, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 10:55.21 | ma3x | liable, did you root me? |
| 10:55.28 | doublehp | streuner: only backup user data, not cheap files ... |
| 10:55.47 | oediv | doublehp: i tried sid, but that gave me some troubles with the fglrx driver, and when i tried to ask questions, people just told me to stick with sarge :) |
| 10:56.04 | liable | ma3x: duh, where do you think *I* got that video from! |
| 10:56.11 | oediv | so i did and for a larger part the fglrx driver seems to work fine :) |
| 10:56.13 | itchi | Sad days, yesterday my main HDD been dead :-( 160 GB data :-( . The disk is one year an half old. |
| 10:56.20 | ma3x | liable, you naughty boy |
| 10:56.22 | doublehp | oediv: tried testing ? |
| 10:56.29 | liable | ma3x: :) |
| 10:56.48 | ma3x | liable, i like sluts! |
| 10:56.58 | liable | lol |
| 10:57.00 | oediv | doublehp: nope, that's in between sarge and sid i guess.. |
| 10:57.17 | Noborusan | If you have security.debian ports in your apt source,by running apt-get update & apt-get upgrade will keep your system up2date right ? |
| 10:57.24 | doublehp | oediv: you will have newer software, and may hope more help than with SID. |
| 10:57.31 | Noborusan | including keeping away from the found exploits right ? |
| 10:57.33 | liable | Noborusan: thats the idea. |
| 10:58.07 | Noborusan | hi liable ,so in this matter it will only upgrade stuff which were installed via apt-get ? |
| 10:58.19 | liable | Noborusan: yep |
| 10:58.25 | itchi | I have buy another, crap, my money :-( i have so less. But things is that i want to recuperate data of that old HDD. I have an backup of 2 months old. So there are no many diff with loose. The data on the HDD are archieves. But i want to try. I first need to copy the content of the hdd. But i not know exactly how to do with 'dd'. I want not try to many, like it's 80% dead the HDD. So i need the _right_ command :-/ |
| 10:58.29 | Noborusan | I mean,how about those package came from deb,or/and from your manually ? |
| 10:58.32 | dhoom | which version of Java is stable with firefox? i tried lastest java and firefox wont start only. |
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| 10:58.47 | liable | Noborusan: your job to keep tabs on them. |
| 10:58.51 | Noborusan | liable, oh :( |
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| 10:59.07 | Noborusan | so im convinced always use apt-get install is a good habbit in debian |
| 10:59.07 | liable | Noborusan: apt-get is very good, but it aint that good. :) |
| 10:59.33 | liable | Noborusan: yes, if you get it from debian repos, you will get updates |
| 10:59.55 | liable | if you get it elswhere, you are on your own |
| 11:00.16 | Noborusan | liable, my php4,mysql and apache were installed via apt-get,so they will be patched from running apt-get upgrade ? i mean how come debian knows ? |
| 11:00.34 | itchi | I have put my old BAD HDD in an old computer with the 32 GB capacity limit. So that the HDD are been reconised. But it's looks that i not see more that 32 GB. Is that normally. I was thinking that my old HDD would be reconised on an old (P3 6ooMHz) computer |
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| 11:00.51 | liable | Noborusan: read the apt-howto or the debian reference for a bit of background |
| 11:01.01 | Noborusan | ok |
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| 11:01.20 | oediv | doublehp: it might have been testing, but i believe it was sid, i installed it with mini.iso of 10mb i think |
| 11:01.49 | doublehp | oediv: you cant install SID with CD |
| 11:02.07 | itchi | The kernel bypass been the 32 GB disk limit? |
| 11:02.11 | oediv | doublehp: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/GUI |
| 11:02.25 | oediv | doublehp: the gtk-miniiso is what i used afaik |
| 11:02.29 | doublehp | itchi: there have never been 32GB limit for Linux |
| 11:02.46 | oediv | doublehp: looking at the note that would install etch |
| 11:02.55 | oediv | doublehp: and that's testing isn't it? |
| 11:02.56 | doublehp | oediv: etch is not SID |
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| 11:03.21 | doublehp | oediv: Etch was testing open in 2005, dont know if it is still testing or moved stable ... |
| 11:03.27 | itchi | doublehp: It's only for the BIOS? So that the HDD are been detected by him? And so we could continue, so that kernel see that it's more that 32 GB?? I'm new in that ;-) |
| 11:04.04 | oediv | doublehp: anyway, with that release and xorg 6.9.x i was having troubles getting the fglrx driver to work properly |
| 11:04.39 | doublehp | itchi: 2GB is limit for FAT16, 32GB is limit for FAT32 when formating parts under Windows systems, but if FAT32 used on larger disk formatted under Linux, then MSW can read it !!! other limits are trolls |
| 11:05.01 | doublehp | itchi: except for the boot of partitions ending after cluster 1024 with lilo |
| 11:05.13 | doublehp | itchi: Grub dont follow that limit either :) |
| 11:05.25 | oediv | doublehp: and sarge with xfree is working fine, however i dont have GLX_SGIX_fbconfig in my glx_info output, and im not sure if it's xfree/xorg related or fglrx/ati |
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| 11:05.36 | itchi | doublehp: hhhmmm, thanks for that additional info :-) |
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| 11:05.47 | fantomas | Hi. Is there a tool for converting pdf to html |
| 11:05.48 | fantomas | ? |
| 11:06.27 | itchi | doublehp: So i guess that i have loose 2 partitions on that dead HDD :-/ |
| 11:06.39 | doublehp | itchi: 32GB is official commercial limit of 32GB that has no technical reasons, to force people switch to NTFS, thus using propriétary patents on new disks since 2002 |
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| 11:07.12 | petemc | fantomas: theres more than likely pdf2html, or openoffice can probably do it, or there are websites that offer that facility |
| 11:07.13 | itchi | doublehp: Yeah, some things are crap :-/ |
| 11:07.26 | doublehp | for example, use of NTFS on USB key is forbiden on W2k, but mandatory under XP ! |
| 11:07.36 | doublehp | mean XP pro |
| 11:07.41 | h|barbobot | wow |
| 11:07.43 | h|barbobot | thats smart! |
| 11:07.45 | itchi | doublehp: Crazy guys ;-) |
| 11:08.02 | liable | doublehp: huh? you cant read a fat key in xp? |
| 11:08.13 | doublehp | itchi: problem will come out when NTFS specific virus come out ... |
| 11:08.26 | doublehp | liable: you can R/W, but not mkfs ! |
| 11:08.29 | itchi | doublehp: I no more use NTFS :-) |
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| 11:08.32 | liable | oh |
| 11:08.52 | doublehp | itchi: differrent Home vs Pro !!! |
| 11:08.52 | liable | was gonna call bullshitsies |
| 11:09.09 | itchi | doublehp: Yeah, but i know, both are crap :-) |
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| 11:09.55 | itchi | doublehp: Enfin, i would not make a war, but we know why we use Debian GNU/Linux an not Wintendo |
| 11:09.56 | doublehp | liable: I lost 4h trying to format a USB disk in NTFS with Home, then did it in 5s with firewire ! |
| 11:10.17 | liable | ouch |
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| 11:10.25 | h|barbobot | i need firewire |
| 11:10.27 | doublehp | itchi: compatibility of file system between systems installed on a box is crutial topic |
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| 11:10.48 | doublehp | liable: then change FW by USB, and could R/W it easily ! |
| 11:11.00 | itchi | doublehp: Yeah, an very complicated for the most users. Also for my :-/ |
| 11:11.19 | doublehp | liable: but again, Home has different rules from Pro on that topic ! hell to understand |
| 11:11.48 | doublehp | h|barbobot: FW card are 14 euros in paris ... cable is 2 euros |
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| 11:12.12 | h|barbobot | ya i just always forget to pick one up when im out ;) |
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| 11:12.31 | superlinux | btw zarqawi got killed |
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| 11:12.44 | liable | who? |
| 11:13.45 | itchi | superlinux: ? |
| 11:15.32 | Shadur | Chief bastard figurehead of the iraq insurrection forces and "Al-Qaeda in Iraq" |
| 11:15.58 | Shadur | Coalition forces (meaning the US) found out where he was and launched an airstrike. |
| 11:16.18 | Shadur | Wonder if they got the right target this time - they already claimed to have killed him four times. |
| 11:16.42 | infernix | make love --without=war |
| 11:17.03 | incorrect | but war is good |
| 11:17.29 | infernix | coming from you that sounds right |
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| 11:17.36 | Shadur | incorrect: Nice joke, but your delivery needs work. |
| 11:17.52 | quitte | i dont get sound with flash. there was a debconf question about how mozilla should output sound, but i cant recall what it was |
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| 11:18.09 | tux2007 | !startup |
| 11:18.09 | dpkg | If you want your Debian system to run a script at startup, say 'your_script' do the following: put your script in /etc/init.d/your_script; then create the following symbolic link: ln -s ../init.d/your_script /etc/rc?.d/SXXyour_script, where ? is the desired runlevel, S is the letter S and XX is a number between 00 and 99. The number indicates the order in which scripts get executed. |
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| 11:18.40 | liable | tux2007: you can /msg dpkg |
| 11:18.43 | tux2007 | how to run a program at startup? |
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| 11:19.05 | umar | what is the difference between Macro kernel and micro kernel? |
| 11:19.36 | fluppet | Quick question: I am using my college's debian computer room. I want to download a set of Debian ISOs. It is recommended that I use jigdo... do I need root access to install jigdo? |
| 11:19.48 | tux2007 | i wish that a program (yarssr) starts at system startup after gnome start |
| 11:19.53 | stew | fluppet: no |
| 11:19.53 | incorrect | has anyone got users auth'ing against and AD ldap server? |
| 11:20.30 | fluppet | stew: so I just download the jigdo installation file and it should work? |
| 11:20.30 | incorrect | for some odd reason i don't even see a can't log into the ldap machine to even check |
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| 11:20.46 | tux2007 | umar, a monolitic kernel when crashes are deeps... when a micro kernel crashes is necessary to be reloaded only the module that crashed. |
| 11:21.10 | superlinux | btw abu mosa'ab zarqawi got killed |
| 11:21.17 | tux2007 | an example of micro kernel on unixlike world is QNX |
| 11:21.18 | superlinux | check the TV'sd |
| 11:21.21 | superlinux | check the TV's |
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| 11:21.33 | stew | fluppet: yes |
| 11:21.34 | tux2007 | another example (bout not unix) is BeOs |
| 11:21.37 | Chandu | what is the difference between micro kernel and macro kernel |
| 11:21.58 | Chandu | what is INODE? |
| 11:22.07 | tux2007 | chandu: www.google.it |
| 11:22.18 | tux2007 | * www.google.com |
| 11:22.22 | stew | Chandu: umar: stop |
| 11:22.41 | fluppet | stew: sorry about this... I have never installed anything on Debian before - when I go to the jigdo site and go to Debian and then go down to i386, it downloads a file called 'download.pl', what do I do now? |
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| 11:23.18 | Anonym001 | pl is phyton i think |
| 11:23.47 | liable | perl.. |
| 11:23.48 | tux2007 | Anonym001, pl is perl. py is python |
| 11:23.52 | stew | fluppet: you don't want to download the .pl that isn't the jigdo software, that is a webpage from which you should download the software |
| 11:24.04 | Anonym001 | ops |
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| 11:24.35 | itchi | He, i boot an computer and then it say |
| 11:24.52 | itchi | Give root password for maintenace, i did it and then?? |
| 11:25.02 | johaBBa | i'm trying to switch from python2.3 to python2.4 in sarge. i have installed python2.4. can i just point /usr/bin/python to /usr/bin/python2.4 ? |
| 11:25.16 | johaBBa | is there a "debian" (read cleaner) way to do this? |
| 11:25.18 | fluppet | stew: oh yes, got it now, hehe :P Okay, so it has downloaded a .deb file now... how do I install that? |
| 11:25.24 | liable | itchi: disk issues from the sounds of it |
| 11:25.25 | itchi | Need i do the maintenace myself? |
| 11:25.46 | stew | fluppet: you cannot install a .deb unless you have root, you want to download a .tar.gz or a .tar.bz2 |
| 11:25.47 | itchi | liable: Yeah, that's it. My HDD of 160 GB dead :-/ |
| 11:25.57 | stew | fluppet: http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-bin-0.7.3.tar.bz2 |
| 11:26.18 | liable | itchi: now would be a good time to copy your data elsewhere |
| 11:26.19 | itchi | liable: I have put that dead disk in that computer to try to make an copy of it. I hope i get data again. |
| 11:26.22 | tux2007 | hello, if i wish that a program starts after gnome initialize, what i have to do? |
| 11:26.34 | itchi | liable: Yeah :-) |
| 11:27.18 | itchi | liable: My backup are a bit to old :-/ it's of 2 months, but the differents are very less. It's my archieves disk where i not make many changes, but it's dead :-( |
| 11:27.31 | AngusRF | i have a problem. i installed debian yesterday, i'm very new to gnu/linux. whenever i boot up debian, it says that the x-server couldnt't be started, probably because it wasn't configured correct. now i'm trying to install the nvidia-driver for my gpu, but it says: no precompiled kernel-interface found. it tries to download one, but that fails too. what shall i do? |
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| 11:28.09 | itchi | liable: But there are many other things on that disk. Many iso's, apps... And i want to try ... you know ;-) |
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| 11:28.58 | liable | itchi: sure, give it a go :) |
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| 11:29.05 | fluppet | stew: Once again I apologise... I have the .tar.bz2 file, now what? :) |
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| 11:29.22 | stew | fluppet: untar it and read INSTALL and/or README |
| 11:29.48 | liable | itchi: you could do it from a cd if you want, save having to do anything but read from the bad disk |
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| 11:30.22 | itchi | liable: I have 3 partitions on that hdb. hdb5, hdb6, hdb7. But with 'less /proc/partitions' it show me only the hdb5 :-/ |
| 11:30.50 | johaBBa | i'm trying to switch from python2.3 to python2.4 in sarge. i have installed python2.4. can i just point /usr/bin/python to /usr/bin/python2.4 ? |
| 11:30.53 | johaBBa | is there a "debian" (read cleaner) way to do this? |
| 11:30.54 | itchi | liable: Is it safer to do it from an CD? I have not been good understand |
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| 11:31.20 | stew | johaBBa: no, don't mess with that symlink on debian, instead change the shebang to #!/usr/bin/python2.4 if you are writing a script that requires 2.4 |
| 11:31.51 | johaBBa | stew, it's an autopackage its searching for the python binary |
| 11:31.55 | liable | itchi: if you cant see the partitions, then you might want to try gpart to rescue the table (no reall experience with it myself) |
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| 11:32.14 | johaBBa | stew, i just grepped for python in the autopackage file but no instance of it there... |
| 11:32.53 | johaBBa | stew, the shebang line is #!/bin/bash |
| 11:33.22 | stew | johaBBa: i don't know what an autopackage file is. i do know that you shouldn't mess with that symlink or python2.3 software will break |
| 11:33.39 | liable | itchi: you could always dd the data to another disk first though, just in case it makes things worse |
| 11:33.45 | itchi | liable: I have put an jumper, the 32 capacity limit, on. So that the HDD are reconised by the computer. If i not set it, the HDD are not detected by the computer. I have heard that we need to put that jumper, like in my case. Otherwise the HDD are not detected by the computer. It's an old Pentium 3 600 MHz computer |
| 11:33.49 | johaBBa | stew, ok. thx. |
| 11:35.01 | fluppet | stew: Thanks for you help with jigdo :) |
| 11:35.11 | itchi | liable: Yeah, that's what i wanted to do first. But actually i got only one partition. But i can always do it directly, like the partition i can access are my documents archieves. So the importantest are recuperated. My iso's an apps, it's not dramatic |
| 11:35.56 | itchi | liable: So, know you the exact command to do the job with dd? With it i have to less experience and i think it's not good to play now with it :-/ |
| 11:36.41 | liable | itchi: not really, i can look it up, but you can do that too :) |
| 11:36.45 | itchi | But i know when i try to copy some data of my dead HDD, the computer complain about dead clusters etc ... :-/ |
| 11:37.19 | sk4nK | I've almost got my mail server set up as i want it, but I've configured it to send the mail to ~/.Maildir instead of the more common ~/Maildir, It all works fine I can read and send mail with mut, but I cant figure out how to get courier-imap-ssl to look there. I keep getting "chdir Maildir: No such file or directory" in my mail.log |
| 11:37.38 | itchi | liable: Yeah, i look to my notes. I have already do it. But i remembers. Sorry i was a bit to lazy ;-) You know, my last night after the computer :-/ |
| 11:38.13 | itchi | I not remember how to, i meand ^ |
| 11:38.18 | itchi | oeps |
| 11:38.26 | sk4nK | I've set MAILDIRPATH=.Maildir and MAILDIR=.Maildir in the /etc/courier/imapd but it still seems to be looking for Maildir instead. |
| 11:38.41 | sk4nK | does anyone have any idea what i'm missing? |
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| 11:39.17 | liable | itchi: np |
| 11:40.07 | itchi | liable: Yeah, i have fight the whole night with that dead HDD. Crap, when it's there |
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| 11:40.39 | itchi | liable: It's not nice to have an dead HDD :-/ |
| 11:40.58 | liable | itchi: oh well, all you can do is try and get as much as possible off it. not much else you can do with dying hard drives |
| 11:41.10 | MaRX-Mode | raid 1 |
| 11:41.25 | liable | well, yeah. |
| 11:41.31 | MaRX-Mode | norman ibas (or something) in Norway =D |
| 11:41.41 | itchi | liable: The HDD are so big these days that it's so dificult to always have an good backup of it. Like these disk are so big, we never know where to place the data |
| 11:42.33 | itchi | I have buy an DVD dual writer, to make backups. But i can not affort an empty dual layer. 8 euro/dvd |
| 11:43.29 | MaRX-Mode | heh, it is cheaper to buy a server which backups your files =D |
| 11:43.44 | itchi | I find it crazy that here in Belgium we need to pay an special authors taks for an empty dual layer DVD. But we are always not authorised to burn an illegal movie or whaterver |
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| 11:44.21 | MaRX-Mode | heh |
| 11:44.37 | itchi | But i not what to use it for movie. It's for _backup_, but i also need to pay the _authors_ rights. Crazy, i need to pay for my own data. pppfff |
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| 11:44.56 | liable | oh cool, it was bullshit about lenovo dropping linux support |
| 11:45.08 | itchi | So now you know why my backup are 2 months old :-/ |
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| 11:46.22 | Ortolo | hello |
| 11:46.39 | iKernel | I can tell which country people's ISP is in (unless they have a hostmask). |
| 11:46.53 | Ortolo | do someone know if it is possible to make X start in another terminal than tty7 ? |
| 11:47.26 | iKernel | yep |
| 11:47.37 | iKernel | Ortolo, startx -- :1 |
| 11:47.52 | Ortolo | and with something like gdm ? |
| 11:48.01 | stew | Ortolo: it will start in the first available, you can change which are available by changing which VTs have getty running in /etc/inittab |
| 11:48.11 | iKernel | Ortolo, or startxfce4 -- :1 |
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| 11:48.45 | Ortolo | let's try it... |
| 11:48.57 | iKernel | Ortolo, you don't need gdm, what desktop envrionment do you like? |
| 11:49.13 | Ortolo | Gnome |
| 11:49.21 | iKernel | hmm |
| 11:50.22 | iKernel | Ortolo, gdm -- :1 |
| 11:50.39 | Ortolo | i'll try |
| 11:50.47 | iKernel | Ortolo, you running gdm already? |
| 11:50.59 | Ortolo | not yet |
| 11:51.33 | Ortolo | display :1 uses the first VT available ? |
| 11:51.39 | Ortolo | but :0 does not ? |
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| 11:52.05 | iKernel | :0 is tty7 |
| 11:52.11 | iKernel | :1 is tty8 |
| 11:52.19 | stew | no :0 is the first available :1 is the second available |
| 11:52.26 | iKernel | don't forget, counting in unix starts with 0 |
| 11:52.38 | iKernel | I found it very easy to get used to :) |
| 11:52.50 | Ortolo | well, with GDM, it uses tty7 even if is has been gettyed |
| 11:52.53 | Ortolo | :( |
| 11:53.06 | r_marvin | it is specified in gdm.conf |
| 11:53.40 | marsje | does anyone know if Tomcat 5 runs well on a Pentium III with 192 MB ram? |
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| 11:54.09 | Ortolo | ok, i'll look for it, thank you |
| 11:54.11 | iKernel | Ortolo, Gnome is slower than Xfce4. Xfce4 is fast, and looks decent. I suggest you try xfce4, then you can startxfce4 -- :1 and you can ctrl+alt+F7 to xfce4 no worries |
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| 11:55.05 | Ortolo | iKernel: i'm afraid i like gnome... :) |
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| 11:56.40 | Noboru | can i ask an apache question please |
| 11:56.57 | blondie | no |
| 11:57.10 | azeem | Noboru: just go ahead and ask |
| 11:57.21 | azeem | blondie: who are you talking to? |
| 11:57.32 | blondie | him :P |
| 11:57.34 | Noboru | oKtosiTe, i would need to add port 443 in httpd.conf,but how ? |
| 11:57.44 | azeem | blondie: so why are you lying to him? |
| 11:57.48 | Noboru | oops i meant azeem |
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| 11:58.07 | azeem | Noboru: better ask the whole channel, I don't know much about apache |
| 11:58.09 | Noboru | There is a Port 80 in httpd.conf |
| 11:58.14 | blondie | azeem: the question had only one answer, no point in asking it |
| 11:58.26 | avdyk | I got a problem setting up a (simple?!) bridge for Xen3 |
| 11:58.28 | azeem | blondie: he's obviously a newbie who needs guidance |
| 11:58.37 | azeem | irc newbie at least, that is |
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| 12:00.02 | stew | Noboru: are you running apache or apache2? |
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| 12:00.38 | Noboru | apache1.3,by default in httpd.conf there is a Port 80,i would add port 443 for ssl accessing. |
| 12:01.02 | blondie | I think you have to install apache-ssl |
| 12:01.06 | stew | Noboru: install apache-ssl and then /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf will be the config file for -ssl and port 443 |
| 12:01.20 | blondie | which will run as a separate server |
| 12:01.25 | iKernel | It's fun loading up synaptic and seeing useful stuffs |
| 12:02.28 | itchi | I try to make an backup of an partition with dd. So i do : 'dd if=/dev/hdb6 of=/mnt/docs/test_dd.tar.gz' But it's looks that he want to make an backup of the whole hdb disk drive. How come it or how need we do to make an backup of an partition with dd? |
| 12:02.38 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 12:02.40 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:02.45 | DimmuR | does anyone know software that can record (make movie) what's happening on my desktop? |
| 12:03.08 | Noboru | stew, gees,then i might have done something wrong ?i did "apt-get intsall libapache-mod-ssl" |
| 12:03.20 | Noboru | install* |
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| 12:03.57 | Noboru | stew, now i already have a /etc/apache-ssl |
| 12:04.44 | stew | Noboru: do you already have apache-ssl installed? |
| 12:05.15 | Noboru | stew, now i check,i do have a apache-ssl in /etc/ |
| 12:05.30 | Noboru | i just installed libapache-mod-ssl |
| 12:06.06 | stew | Noboru: if you really want to run mod-ssl in the same server as apache, you can do that, install libapache-mod-ssl-doc and read /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-ssl-doc/[examples/] |
| 12:06.11 | Noboru | stew, yeah,i think i have it installed already,just in a module-way installaion |
| 12:06.39 | Noboru | oKtosiTe, thanks,let me check. |
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| 12:06.46 | Noboru | stew, Thanks |
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| 12:07.04 | Noboru | oKtosiTe, sorry,my keyborad had me called you twice. |
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| 12:08.17 | lavi | hi, Can i create a pipo to filter the event of application that has accessiably feature under GNome ? |
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| 12:08.47 | signuts | I am trying to compile e17 and am getting all sorts of automake/autoconf errors |
| 12:08.55 | signuts | is there a way to install "development tools" |
| 12:09.01 | signuts | like autoconf/automake/libtool etc |
| 12:09.30 | stew | signuts: apt-get install build-essential autoconf libtool automake1.9 |
| 12:09.39 | signuts | sweet |
| 12:10.47 | lavi | anyone know it? |
| 12:10.48 | richard | ok |
| 12:10.53 | richard | liable: you still there? |
| 12:11.27 | richard | ok |
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| 12:13.00 | signuts | How do I select which version of automake to use during compilation. WANT_AUTOMAKE=1.7 used to be the way in gento. |
| 12:13.35 | stew | signuts: apt-get install automake1.7 && update-alternatives --config automake |
| 12:14.11 | signuts | Stew, brilliant |
| 12:14.24 | signuts | stew, do they have documents describing debian specific commands |
| 12:14.50 | liable | richard: yep |
| 12:14.53 | stew | signuts: which commands do you mean? |
| 12:15.26 | signuts | stew, well I would've assumed reading about update-alternatives but I didn't know it was there. if they had a short reference of what each one did. For instance, I still don't know the proper way to modify the init scripts |
| 12:15.50 | stew | signuts: /msg dpkg reference |
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| 12:16.44 | christor | PLease I have installed a pctv card in the box, and I m searching a soft to watch TV. SOmeone can advice me? |
| 12:16.47 | signuts | thx stew |
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| 12:17.05 | stew | i still haven't seen that movie |
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| 12:17.59 | itchi | christor: tvtime (watching), xmltv (tv listings), mythtv (recording) |
| 12:19.05 | christor | itchi: ok thx I try now |
| 12:19.31 | itchi | christor: Begin from left to right. Once on the right, you would see how nice it are :-) mythtv rules !!! :-) thanks :-) I forget to say lirc for the distance |
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| 12:19.57 | itchi | tele commande :-/ |
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| 12:20.33 | christor | liran_: for the distance?? |
| 12:20.35 | itchi | s/tele commande/remote controller |
| 12:20.36 | christor | oops |
| 12:20.44 | christor | itchi: lirc for distance?? |
| 12:21.02 | itchi | christor: For the remote controller ;-) I forget the name :-) |
| 12:21.45 | iKernel | When I grow up, I'm going to marry a woman who is capable of ejaculation. |
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| 12:22.00 | christor | itchi: mmh ok |
| 12:22.04 | ktwilight | ... |
| 12:22.18 | christor | itchi: My project is to watch tv in streaming from my office :) |
| 12:22.21 | iKernel | Netcad, 1337 username Netcat |
| 12:22.27 | iKernel | ktwilight, ? |
| 12:22.32 | ktwilight | ... |
| 12:23.06 | itchi | christor: These apps who have talk about, are not easy to setup, but once it's setup. You do wath you want :-) Yes, you need mythtv :-) Go to the website of it ;-) |
| 12:23.26 | iKernel | ktwilight, Tell me! |
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| 12:23.39 | ktwilight | what's there to say? |
| 12:23.41 | itchi | iKernel: It's an Kde version of ~ ;-) |
| 12:23.59 | bnovc_ | what package should i install for mail to send (reports error into my local mailbox now) |
| 12:24.02 | iKernel | ktwilight, what are you "..."ing about? |
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| 12:24.40 | ktwilight | life :) |
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| 12:24.51 | ktwilight | hmm...i wonder if i should upgrade my kernel just for the heck of it |
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| 12:25.00 | ktwilight | 2.6.16.20 seems...nice |
| 12:25.27 | christor | itchi: configuration is in a bad way :P No channel appears :s :) |
| 12:25.28 | iKernel | ktwilight, Is it in regards to what I said I'm going to do when I grow up? |
| 12:25.33 | itchi | christor: It have took me many time to setup the whole thing. Mythtv use xmltv, lirc etc. So it's best you first setup that, So that you enyou at 100% |
| 12:25.46 | itchi | christor: It's an hidden ;-) |
| 12:25.56 | ktwilight | nah iKernel |
| 12:26.02 | iKernel | ah k |
| 12:26.17 | ktwilight | i would have to reinstall my driver modules if i update my kernel, is that right? |
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| 12:26.27 | ktwilight | i know for sure i have to do that for nvidia. but how 'bout rt2500 (wireless)? |
| 12:26.30 | Netcad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:26.33 | itchi | christor: #mythtv-users |
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| 12:26.50 | iKernel | How many people here have screwed a women who was capable of female ejaculation? ... mm nah, I think I'll keep on topic |
| 12:26.56 | christor | itchi: mythtv is not in the debian lsiting?? I have to download it in tar.gz?? |
| 12:26.57 | lehel | hello |
| 12:27.12 | iKernel | lehel, hello |
| 12:27.23 | itchi | christor: It's in the marillat i think. apt-get |
| 12:27.46 | ktwilight | who would want to screw a dry hole? :/ |
| 12:27.48 | lehel | iKernel: how could i get remote X access? |
| 12:27.52 | itchi | Know you about marillat? |
| 12:27.57 | iKernel | lehel, vnc |
| 12:28.15 | lehel | iKernel: putty? |
| 12:28.21 | iKernel | lehel, vnc |
| 12:28.25 | lehel | ;) |
| 12:28.33 | lehel | ok |
| 12:29.01 | lehel | iKernel: xvnc4viewer - Virtual network computing client software for X |
| 12:29.06 | iKernel | lehel, you wanna go for a test run, see if I can get vnc working? |
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| 12:29.28 | itchi | christor: Before installing mythtv, you need(not really) to install and setup xmltv, lirc. Because mythtv use it. |
| 12:29.57 | christor | itchi: apt-get install mythtv doestn work :s |
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| 12:30.06 | itchi | christor: Know you about marillat? |
| 12:30.28 | itchi | !marillat |
| 12:30.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 12:30.46 | itchi | christor: ^^^ Look to it |
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| 12:31.18 | richard | ok i have a problem |
| 12:31.25 | itchi | christor: Have you already do it? |
| 12:31.25 | richard | i have setup sofware raid here |
| 12:31.33 | richard | and its working fine |
| 12:31.41 | richard | except that the array won't initialize on boot |
| 12:31.47 | richard | i have to login as root and use 'mdrun' |
| 12:31.57 | richard | which means that my logical volumes don't get initialized |
| 12:32.02 | richard | which means that samba won't work |
| 12:32.16 | richard | what do i need to change to make it run mdrun on boot? |
| 12:32.18 | Peresko | hmm just installed debian (sarge) and when i do ifconfig -a it doesn't show my ip |
| 12:32.42 | Peresko | tried ifconfig eth0 up, but doesn't do the trick |
| 12:32.42 | christor | itchi: no I m readingf |
| 12:32.58 | itchi | christor: You need it ;-) |
| 12:32.59 | iKernel | !marillat.sarge |
| 12:32.59 | dpkg | methinks marillat.sarge is marillat's repository for sarge/stable. To add the repository, su root, cd /etc/apt and then: echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main" >>sources.list -OR- echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main" >>sources.list ..... then apt-get update |
| 12:33.07 | stew | Peresko: man interfaces |
| 12:33.21 | iKernel | sound like fun |
| 12:33.38 | itchi | richard: Need you that it run as an deamon? |
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| 12:33.49 | iKernel | so this repo provide packages that debian can't provide because of legal issues? |
| 12:33.58 | stew | iKernel: yes |
| 12:34.04 | richard | itchi: there's a file that's being run on boot |
| 12:34.07 | richard | a shell script |
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| 12:34.52 | RaFa_Vzla | Tengo una pregunta |
| 12:34.57 | itchi | richard: Place that word (mdrun) at the end of that script, so that it are automatically run at boot?? |
| 12:35.09 | RaFa_Vzla | El kernel 2.6.... es algo inestable para el debian? |
| 12:35.10 | liable | richard: whats /etc/default/mdadm say in it? |
| 12:35.16 | stew | !es |
| 12:35.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 12:35.29 | richard | well the shell script is obviously meant to be run by /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid |
| 12:35.34 | richard | but its not being run |
| 12:35.48 | richard | liable: |
| 12:35.49 | richard | START_DAEMON=true |
| 12:35.49 | richard | MAIL_TO="richard" |
| 12:35.49 | richard | AUTOSTART=false |
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| 12:35.51 | liable | richard: dpkg-reconfigure mdadm |
| 12:35.55 | liable | doh |
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| 12:36.05 | liable | richard: dpkg-reconfigure mdadm |
| 12:36.05 | richard | sorry about that |
| 12:36.08 | du_ | hi all..i have a problem..i installed a debian sid just now but when i type startx by user it says me:X: user is not authorized to run xserver, aborting.by root all right instead.. |
| 12:36.28 | stew | du_: dpkg-reoncfigure x11-common |
| 12:36.36 | stew | du_: dpkg-reconfigure rather |
| 12:36.41 | itchi | richard: AUTOSTART=true ?? |
| 12:36.59 | richard | hmm yess |
| 12:37.01 | du_ | stew, what is rather? |
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| 12:37.07 | christor | itchi: in progress |
| 12:37.09 | liable | hah |
| 12:37.10 | stew | du_: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 12:37.12 | richard | i just did dpkg-reconfigure, thanks liable |
| 12:37.20 | richard | its rebooting now, we'll see |
| 12:37.22 | itchi | christor: You will love it :-p |
| 12:37.23 | liable | richard: hope it works now |
| 12:37.31 | christor | itchi: I hope ;) |
| 12:37.43 | liable | dpkg -l rather |
| 12:37.44 | dpkg | ii rather 3.6-5.3 liable's private gamp collection |
| 12:37.45 | christor | I need to have tv to my office to look workdcup |
| 12:37.48 | liable | eww |
| 12:38.13 | itchi | christor: I'm sure, mythtv rules! :-) a bit complicate to setup, but very valuable :-) |
| 12:38.36 | christor | itchi: okok I gonna see the doc on the website |
| 12:38.48 | richard | works |
| 12:38.51 | du_ | thanks all..i'm going to try! |
| 12:38.58 | richard | thanks heaps liable |
| 12:39.06 | liable | richard: you're welcome |
| 12:39.43 | richard | one more minor issue: |
| 12:39.47 | itchi | richard: You're software raid. How is it? |
| 12:39.47 | richard | i'm booting off usb |
| 12:39.48 | iKernel | lyke omg it takes heaps less time to download and install programs on linux than it does on windows |
| 12:40.07 | richard | itchi: not sure yet, haven't done any speed testing |
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| 12:40.12 | iKernel | because of package system and package manager :) |
| 12:40.51 | richard | when it boots, the USB device is registered as /dev/sdc |
| 12:40.52 | itchi | richard: I mean how it's composed. 2 normal ide disk? I'm interesting in the subject. I know nothings about it :-/ |
| 12:40.58 | richard | oh |
| 12:41.03 | richard | 4 IDE disks and 2 SATAs |
| 12:41.08 | FromTO | if anyone has software suspend working please tell me exactly command by command what you did. I have recompiled and patcahed the kernel so many times and still no luck. |
| 12:41.11 | richard | its RAID5 |
| 12:41.26 | itchi | richard: You do it with LVM? |
| 12:41.30 | liable | FromTO: install the suspend package, and edit the conf files. |
| 12:41.39 | amphi | FromTO: I have it working, swsusp not swsusp2 |
| 12:41.49 | liable | FromTO: also dont forget to set the swap partiton in menu.list |
| 12:42.12 | amphi | FromTO: echo disk > /sys/power/state does it |
| 12:42.13 | richard | itchi: there's only one volume, but yes i did setup LVM to make future expansion easy |
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| 12:42.46 | amphi | FromTO: yeah, you need resume=/dev/whatever in the kernel command line |
| 12:42.53 | itchi | richard: How have you do to setup it. I mean you have read some informations on an website or so? Have you an link that i can read? |
| 12:43.03 | liable | FromTO: they patching and kernel bit is in the suspend2 howto, the other stuff is in the /usr/share/doc/hibernate/ stuff |
| 12:43.15 | liable | FromTO: sorry, hibernate package, not suspend :) |
| 12:43.20 | FromTO | Liable: all I see is suspend 2. In the menuconfig foe kernel 2.6.16 there is an option for suspend and it is already marked but nothing happens |
| 12:43.23 | amphi | FromTO: unless you built your kernel and set the partition in the kernel config |
| 12:43.26 | itchi | richard: The last night an HDD has died. So you know why i interested :-p |
| 12:43.34 | richard | hehe, yeah |
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| 12:43.39 | richard | dam |
| 12:43.49 | amphi | FromTO: nothing happens if you do echo disk > /sys/power/state ? |
| 12:43.49 | liable | FromTO: do everything the howto says first, then get the hibernate package |
| 12:43.50 | RoyK | hi. i can't find cc1plus. what's wrong? |
| 12:43.55 | itchi | richard: Yeah, crap, my archieves disk :-( |
| 12:43.57 | RoyK | g++ is installed and everything |
| 12:44.02 | stew | !b-e RoyK |
| 12:44.02 | dpkg | RoyK: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 12:44.14 | richard | itchi: i wish there was a site that described it in detail |
| 12:44.14 | FromTO | amphi: it says command not found |
| 12:44.25 | liable | no echo?? |
| 12:44.25 | richard | its a really annoying process |
| 12:44.34 | amphi | FromTO: wtf? 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' |
| 12:44.41 | itchi | richard: scsi are not in my mind, with 2 or disk, that could be are in my budget, no more. :-/ |
| 12:45.13 | RoyK | stew: didn't help much.... |
| 12:45.27 | RoyK | erm. hash -r :) |
| 12:45.51 | richard | itchi: if you just want backups, then a simpler approach than using raid is probably to have two disks, use one, and copy the contents of one to the other on a regular basis with a cron job |
| 12:45.58 | liable | itchi: get a cheap two port sata card and drives. |
| 12:46.05 | liable | then do software raid |
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| 12:46.41 | RoyK | stew: didn't help. still can't find cc1plus |
| 12:46.43 | RoyK | :( |
| 12:47.02 | liable | !tell RoyK about search |
| 12:47.12 | richard | here's the problem i'm seeing with my current setup |
| 12:47.16 | itchi | richard: Yeah, the both looks good options. I was thinking to do it with rdiff-backup. Some incremental backups. Actuall i do it by the hand with tar. When i feel it good to do :-/ |
| 12:47.22 | stew | RoyK: that should have fixed it. what are you trying to compile? |
| 12:47.29 | itchi | liable: That looks also an good option |
| 12:47.30 | casanova_ | [lits a joint] |
| 12:47.35 | RoyK | stew: sangoma drivers |
| 12:47.40 | casanova_ | [smokes the joint] |
| 12:47.44 | stew | casanova_: stop |
| 12:47.45 | richard | two of the drives are sata and i'm booting off usb, meaning the usb device gets /dev/sdc |
| 12:48.02 | casanova_ | [drinks more wine wiht the joint] |
| 12:48.15 | richard | if one of my sata drives dies, my usb drive will get /dev/sdb, and it'll crash on boot because it can't mount the root filesystem |
| 12:48.17 | stew | casanova_: stop. keep it on topic |
| 12:48.21 | itchi | liable: With 2 disk,... The two contain the same content. That looks good |
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| 12:48.34 | itchi | liable: And wath i need! ;-) |
| 12:48.55 | liable | itchi: with the price of hard drives, i dunno why everyone doesnt do raid 0 |
| 12:49.13 | richard | is there any way to force the usb device to use something a bit further down (/dev/sde maybe) |
| 12:49.19 | RoyK | liable: because it crashes easily? |
| 12:49.21 | richard | liable: because that way if you loose a disk you loose all your data |
| 12:49.22 | itchi | liable: Yeah, you're right, i hope i can do it with my old P3 600Mhz. |
| 12:49.40 | FromTO1 | ok the echo command works and something happens but I had to reboot the computer to get bak on here |
| 12:49.40 | RoyK | stew: still no cc1plus on the system :( |
| 12:49.54 | stew | RoyK: what version of debian? |
| 12:50.02 | richard | the main reason i'm using raid is to get out of having to do backups and to increase speed a little bit |
| 12:50.07 | liable | whats the mirror one? i get the fuckers confused.. :P |
| 12:50.10 | RoyK | stew: debian sarge amd64 |
| 12:50.23 | ktwilight | isn't raid got to do with downtime too? |
| 12:50.28 | jsosic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.33 | RoyK | stew: same happens on sarge i386 |
| 12:50.33 | itchi | liable: With the method you're describe. You mean that the 2 disk are duplicated? |
| 12:51.07 | stew | RoyK: you have g++-3.3 installed? |
| 12:51.11 | liable | itchi: yep, basically the disks are mirrored, when one fails, you swap it out and rebuild the array |
| 12:51.32 | RoyK | both 3.3 and 3.4 |
| 12:51.44 | RoyK | 3.4 being currently symlinked to /usr/bin/gcc |
| 12:51.51 | stew | liable: you are confusing raid0 with raid1 |
| 12:51.53 | itchi | liable: You copy that one that are good, to another one so that that new one replace that old dead? |
| 12:52.08 | liable | stew: i know :) |
| 12:52.16 | liable | itchi: yes |
| 12:52.19 | Noboru | debian is becoming famous |
| 12:52.22 | liable | stew: i do it all the time |
| 12:52.30 | itchi | liable: And you mean read1 also ;-) |
| 12:52.33 | sohmestra | stew: or raid0 with raid3? |
| 12:52.41 | stew | RoyK: did you change that symlink? |
| 12:52.58 | liable | whatever it is, thats why i started saying mirrored instead of 0 or 1 :P |
| 12:53.12 | liable | Noboru: for what? |
| 12:53.26 | stew | RoyK: you shouldn't be touching that symlink, if you need it to use a different gcc you shoudl be doing it via environment variables instead |
| 12:53.34 | Noboru | I noticed many 3rd party software manufactures keep an eye on debian as long as redhat and FreeBSD to deliver support for those distributions,No other distros are mentioned :D |
| 12:53.37 | itchi | liable: So i need to make an raid1? I have had an bad night :-/ |
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| 12:53.52 | Noboru | liable, yeah,that. |
| 12:53.55 | iKernel | Heaps of people would use linux if amsn supported voice, stopped going blank when refreshing and more gaming companies made games for linux |
| 12:54.13 | petemc | is that a fact? |
| 12:54.15 | itchi | liable: Ok, i follow better now ;-) |
| 12:54.22 | Ronin | oh really iKernel ? |
| 12:54.25 | sohmestra | liable: raid three means that a little bit is mirrored on each disk, so you approximate raid0 performance, but can still function if 1 drive dies |
| 12:54.42 | Peresko | really need a command line configurator for network in debian |
| 12:54.51 | petemc | iKernel: can we take that to the bank? |
| 12:54.53 | sohmestra | liable: of course, you at least 3 disks for it to work. |
| 12:54.56 | Ronin | iKernel: email the amsn devs and ask, fix your refresh rate, and well you got me on the last one |
| 12:54.57 | liable | sohmestra: yeah, i brush up on it every once in a while, then i forget which is which |
| 12:55.08 | du_ | i have an error starting X from user.X: user not authorized to start X, aborting.i tried dpkg-reconfigure x11-common but nothing |
| 12:55.14 | stew | Peresko: you can try etherconf, i don't know how good it is, most people just edit interfaces with an editor |
| 12:55.30 | iKernel | the latter might not even be needed if transgaming got enough subscribers, transgaming say that they will make cedega free once they get enough subscribers |
| 12:55.30 | stew | du_: what version of debian / x are you running? |
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| 12:55.52 | du_ | stew, debian sid |
| 12:56.04 | du_ | but i tried with etch and same thing |
| 12:56.12 | Noboru | Can anyone tell me when itch is out,probably it will be before summer in 2007 ? |
| 12:56.13 | Peresko | stew: the network is up, but i don't get an ip with dhcp |
| 12:56.14 | iKernel | Ronin, There are some things that are lacking in linux, I have stated the important ones |
| 12:56.21 | stew | du_: "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" and selecting console-users should really work. do you ahve an /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config ? |
| 12:56.25 | itchi | liable: So you work with an sata mirrored system :-p Is that better than an simple ata mirrored system? |
| 12:56.34 | niru | Sorry for interruption.I want to build a cd.but I am getting error as error: cannot find '[<pkgCache::Dependency object: Pkg:'libnewt0.51' Ver:'' Comp:''>]' dep for package kudzu |
| 12:56.37 | Ronin | not important to us, like i said email the amsn devs, fix your refresh rate |
| 12:56.58 | du_ | stew, no!you right..i have no Xwrapper.config..wht i have to put in it after created it? |
| 12:57.15 | itchi | liable: I have no sata, so i can not tell about it :-/ |
| 12:57.35 | iKernel | Ronin, I would be pissed off if people refused to use linux if cedega became free, amsn supported voice, and if there was an aim client that supported voice and webcam |
| 12:57.36 | liable | itchi: same, just sata is a bit quicker. |
| 12:57.54 | stew | du_: "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" creates it. if you dont' have one: try touch /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config && md5sum /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config > /var/lib/x11/Xwrapper.config.md5sum ; and "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" again |
| 12:57.58 | itchi | liable: But is the life time longer and are these type of disk not robuster? |
| 12:58.01 | balrog | centericq? (?) |
| 12:58.18 | liable | richard: prolly a better idea is to have the usb drive as sda, but i am not sure if the /etc/modules trick would work |
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| 12:58.23 | itchi | liable: I ask to an experienced user :-p |
| 12:58.25 | stew | du_: what version of x11-common do you have installed? |
| 12:58.44 | itchi | liable: That last ata disk 1 year an half :-p |
| 12:59.05 | iKernel | I'd be like: "Are you some kind of moron? Screw window's ease of use, dude, you can now run almost any game on linux, there is an msn client for linux that supports voice and video, a yahoo client that supports voice and video and an aim client that supports voice and video, what more do you stupid windows users want?" |
| 12:59.12 | liable | itchi: they are pretty much the same as ata, just ifferent interface, so shouldnt last longer/shorter, just a matter of luck |
| 12:59.30 | du_ | stew, i don't know i'm on arch now |
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| 12:59.48 | stew | du_: arch? |
| 12:59.54 | du_ | stew, i go to try your suggestions..but what does they do? |
| 13:00.01 | iKernel | "LINUX SUCKS FOR THE NET?! You idoit! Linux is the best OS for the net! Fast, stable, reliable - argh, you dickhead!" |
| 13:00.09 | stew | iKernel: stop |
| 13:00.13 | iKernel | ok |
| 13:00.15 | Ronin | iKernel: relax :) |
| 13:00.25 | itchi | liable: Yeah, i need to buy an sata interface for that computer then. I go to look a bit. |
| 13:00.26 | liable | hehe |
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| 13:00.37 | iKernel | seriously though, I would go out of my mind in despair |
| 13:00.48 | du_ | stew, yes archlinux..debian isn't working so to run xchat i have to go on my arch :D |
| 13:01.05 | iKernel | linux would be supiror to windows in every way except for ease of use |
| 13:01.13 | balrog | =@ |
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| 13:01.18 | stew | du_: the configure scripts for x11-common might assume that you actually don't want a Xwrapper.config, those commands create an empty one, then update the md5sum that the config scripts use to determine if the config file has been changed by the user |
| 13:01.19 | liable | itchi: ata will do fine if you dont want to buy a sata card. its just that you may as well use sata these days as its faster and not really any more expensive |
| 13:01.30 | amphi | iKernel: it's superior in ease of use too, IMHO, just not in ease of learning |
| 13:01.34 | DerJamster | iKernel: Make that 'familiar' use |
| 13:01.56 | du_ | stew, you're a great guru thogh |
| 13:02.06 | iKernel | amphi, Windows is easier to use, it's always point and click, all the time |
| 13:02.09 | stew | du_: no, just an irc junky |
| 13:02.14 | liable | heh, i waxed a win2000 box a while ago, its all a matter of what you know i guess. |
| 13:02.24 | iKernel | DerJamster, huh? |
| 13:02.30 | jsosic | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.34 | richard | bye all |
| 13:02.36 | iKernel | liable, what do you mean by "waxed"? |
| 13:02.45 | liable | fucked it properly |
| 13:02.49 | DerJamster | iKernel: Make that 'except for familiarity of it's usage' |
| 13:02.54 | du_ | stew, mmm..in any case i'm going to try..see you later! |
| 13:03.00 | amphi | iKernel: I disagree - how do you 'easily' convert 3000 targa images to png on windows, for example |
| 13:03.04 | iKernel | DerJamster, mmk |
| 13:03.10 | itchi | liable: Ok, in my case then it's better i get another one ata HDD of 80GB. It's an computer just for that an apt-proxy on the other disk. But tell me. with this system have you another backup system. I mean that the one backup system you use? |
| 13:03.41 | iKernel | amphi, You got a good point there, but windows users see it differently |
| 13:03.44 | SlayerXP | amphi: you use aceedeecee |
| 13:03.50 | SlayerXP | however it's spelt. |
| 13:03.55 | itchi | liable: I mean that's the one backup system you use? |
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| 13:03.58 | iKernel | or picasa! |
| 13:04.02 | amphi | SlayerXP: that's easier than a for loop? |
| 13:04.05 | iKernel | ?* |
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| 13:04.25 | SlayerXP | amphi: I make no judgement about the degree of ease, but it _is_ easy. |
| 13:04.26 | liable | itchi: i just have raid software raid, havent even had it break yet, but i hope its just a case of plugging a new drive in :) |
| 13:04.43 | DerJamster | amphi: For the average user, it can be assumed, yes. However the average user doesn't want Linux in the first place. |
| 13:04.46 | itchi | liable: Yeah, normally :-/ ;-) |
| 13:04.49 | iKernel | amphi, why would you use a for loop? just targa2png *.targa |
| 13:05.00 | itchi | liable: I go to do the same system ;-) |
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| 13:05.13 | iKernel | or what ever |
| 13:05.19 | iKernel | im going to go flying |
| 13:05.21 | amphi | iKernel: I do with convert |
| 13:05.29 | itchi | liable: What software you use for that? |
| 13:05.41 | liable | itchi: its easier than fucking around with a backup system, was my thoughts for doing it |
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| 13:05.57 | liable | itchi: just the linux software raid tools, mdadm |
| 13:06.16 | itchi | liable: Thanks :-) |
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| 13:06.27 | iKernel | nah im too tired to fly, im going to bed |
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| 13:06.45 | iKernel | (i wasn't really going to fly anyway, just going to use flightgear) |
| 13:06.46 | zimnyx | Do you know how to play mp3 backwards? |
| 13:06.52 | iKernel | no |
| 13:06.53 | shaibn | hi :) i started my netinstaller and made an md0 raid1 device out of two disks. but now it got stuck at 50% when installing grub ... any ideas what I can do to release it from that stuck status? will I need to restart the install? |
| 13:06.54 | iKernel | how? |
| 13:06.54 | itchi | liable: I go to take an backup on DVD or so every 6 month, if i have an system like that |
| 13:07.12 | iKernel | zimnyx, do tell |
| 13:07.25 | itchi | liable: A bit crazy, i know :-/ |
| 13:07.34 | liable | zimnyx: sox can prolly do it, dunno if any of the standard players can |
| 13:07.35 | zimnyx | iKernel: i dunno, can't find such plugin for xmms |
| 13:07.37 | petemc | audacity, prolly |
| 13:07.46 | zimnyx | thanks |
| 13:07.49 | stew | zimnyx: you can reverse it with audacity |
| 13:07.54 | liable | ah, thats probably what i was thinking of |
| 13:07.56 | zimnyx | thnaks again:) |
| 13:08.03 | iKernel | bah, I would reverse it with a simple command line program |
| 13:08.07 | iKernel | good night |
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| 13:09.14 | du_ | stex, i tried...nothing |
| 13:09.30 | du_ | stew, i tried...nothing |
| 13:09.39 | stew | du_: what version of x11-common do you have installed? |
| 13:09.54 | liable | du_: cant you use a tect based irc client? |
| 13:09.57 | du_ | damn...i forget to see it |
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| 13:10.09 | liable | text too |
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| 13:10.20 | du_ | liable, what its name? |
| 13:10.22 | du_ | i install it |
| 13:10.25 | stew | hmm, "play file.mp3 reverse" from sox might be able to do it |
| 13:11.00 | du_ | stew, anyway..i have the latest version because i installed sid |
| 13:11.05 | stew | du_: when you run dpkg-reconfigure, does it ask you questions about who should be able to run the xserver? |
| 13:11.21 | liable | du_: irssi i guess. when you install, just do /connect irc.freenode.net |
| 13:11.23 | du_ | stew, yes.. |
| 13:12.03 | du_ | stew, really annoying problem.. |
| 13:12.17 | stew | du_: echo "allowed_users=console" > /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config && md5sum /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config > /var/lib/X11/Xwrapper.config.md5sum |
| 13:12.24 | resiak | 14:09 ! raseac sniffs Dave2 *sniff sniff* mmm... smells like poo |
| 13:12.34 | stew | du_: all of this stuff was reworked inthe x11-common that was uploaded last night |
| 13:12.45 | Zvpun | does alsa support more than one program using the sound card at the same time out of the box or do I have to configure something? I tried to play a mp3 file (using mpg321 -o alsa ...) from 3 different terminals. the first to play the file but the third says: ‰‰ALSA snd_pcm_open error: Device or resource busy. |
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| 13:13.02 | du_ | stew, ah...a recent problem? |
| 13:13.05 | resiak | !tell Zvpun about dmix |
| 13:13.12 | stew | du_: yes, it's new since 6.9 |
| 13:13.19 | stew | du_: actually it wasn't uploaded yet |
| 13:13.23 | stew | but it should be uploaded soon |
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| 13:13.45 | du_ | stew, ok thanks |
| 13:13.59 | Peresko | incredible...sarge doesn't have a dhcp client?!? |
| 13:14.09 | liable | yes |
| 13:14.10 | tarzeau | sudo apt-get install links2 |
| 13:14.17 | stew | Peresko: it installs dhclient by default |
| 13:14.20 | tarzeau | sorry wrong terminal |
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| 13:14.30 | Tassium | Peresko: What makes you think that? |
| 13:14.31 | liable | jsosic: STOPIT |
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| 13:14.31 | Zvpun | resiak: I am going to read that. But I dont understand why 2 can play at the same time while the 3rd fails. |
| 13:14.47 | Peresko | http://cpbotha.net/weblogs/benjamin/archives/001192.html |
| 13:14.48 | jsosic | liable: sorry, making an irssi theme.... |
| 13:15.14 | jsosic | liable: copy/paste problems :) |
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| 13:15.28 | Zvpun | resiak: besides the link says that dmix is enabled as ‰default for ALSA ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher |
| 13:15.35 | liable | jsosic: :) best to do it whilst in #flood or something i guess |
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| 13:15.45 | resiak | Zvpun: oh, okay. never mind then |
| 13:16.26 | Zvpun | resiak: any idea I am clueless |
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| 13:17.01 | signuts | Not to bug but How do I install a particular version of a package? |
| 13:17.20 | Zvpun | signuts: apt-get install package=version |
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| 13:18.12 | signuts | Zvpun, thx, can I list available versions ? |
| 13:18.24 | itchi | liable: Thanks for you're informations. That help me to search on the web. I have find the software raid on tldp :-) |
| 13:18.28 | Zvpun | signuts: apt-cache search somesearchstring |
| 13:18.32 | liable | itchi: np |
| 13:18.39 | Zvpun | signuts: apt-cache policy package |
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| 13:18.50 | liable | para: reconnect as a non root user |
| 13:18.58 | liable | !lose me |
| 13:18.58 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
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| 13:20.41 | liable | !tw |
| 13:20.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tw is an abbreviation of Taiwan |
| 13:20.49 | casanova_ | [lits a joint] |
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| 13:21.12 | liable | casanova_: ffs, stop it before you get +b |
| 13:21.12 | stew | !at casanova_ |
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| 13:21.14 | castro2006 | need help |
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| 13:21.56 | casanova_ | i'm drunk don't mind me my C++ is buggy |
| 13:21.57 | stew | oops |
| 13:21.57 | abrotman | is that the one stew meant to get? |
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| 13:21.57 | liable | heh, yep |
| 13:21.57 | abrotman | castro2006: hold on .. he'll remove it :) |
| 13:22.00 | Tassium | Second rule of getting drunk: Once you're blotto, go online and tell everyone. |
| 13:22.01 | abrotman | i think |
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| 13:22.18 | stew | castro2006: my apologies |
| 13:22.24 | castro2006 | no problem |
| 13:22.32 | abrotman | Tassium: third rule .. go to bed before you pass out and put 10,000,000 o's in your code |
| 13:22.37 | stew | casanova_: you have been silenced for 10 mintues for being off topic |
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| 13:22.54 | castro2006 | i want to configure bluetooth on my debian |
| 13:23.06 | stew | don was just saying yesterday about how autobleh and nicktab are a bad combination |
| 13:23.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:23.15 | liable | casanova_: checked the alsa-bluetooth site? |
| 13:23.15 | castro2006 | i have hp laptop with bluetooth enabled |
| 13:23.20 | Tassium | stew: What's autobleh? |
| 13:23.28 | abrotman | Tassium: it's a script for ops basically |
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| 13:23.38 | xirjs | do we have rss-feeds for debian security news? |
| 13:23.52 | abrotman | xirjs: eh .. i don't think so .. but there is a mailing list |
| 13:24.01 | Tassium | abrotman: Thanks muchlyy |
| 13:24.11 | xirjs | i know about the list ... its not that practical for me ... ;( |
| 13:24.11 | castro2006 | can any one help me in this |
| 13:24.12 | xirjs | ok |
| 13:24.15 | abrotman | xirjs: i lied .. http://www.debian.org/security/dsa |
| 13:24.15 | stew | Tassium: gives us commands like /at for auto timeout /abr for ban and remove etc, it does auto look up of nick->hostmask and does the opping and deoping |
| 13:24.15 | liable | casanova_: the btscp package works ok here |
| 13:24.32 | liable | castro2006: see what i said to casanova_ |
| 13:24.39 | abrotman | xirjs: see http://security.debian.org/ .. near the bottom about RDF feed |
| 13:24.41 | Tassium | stew: I've got something similar. (I use lice with epic4) |
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| 13:25.21 | du_ | stew, nothing again |
| 13:25.29 | du_ | stew, i have 7.0 version.. |
| 13:25.30 | abrotman | xirjs: find it ? |
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| 13:26.08 | liable | castro2006: erm, its btsco too (typo) |
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| 13:27.13 | liable | castro2006: http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:27.19 | stew | du_: i'm running out of ideas. each one of the 3 ways i told you to fix this should have worked. especially the last |
| 13:27.43 | du_ | stew, very strange.. |
| 13:27.45 | castro2006 | ok i am looking on it |
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| 13:28.07 | liable | castro2006: the cvs wouldnt compile for me a while back, but you can get it here in tarball. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=116589&atid=678258 |
| 13:28.11 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Adding irqpoll to the kernel options made both my wireless and wired cards work. |
| 13:28.17 | Krusky | Hi |
| 13:28.46 | du_ | and irssi don't let me connect to freenode..it says me timeput error |
| 13:29.04 | stew | ricky_clarkson: as a kenrel parameter or as a module parameter or what? |
| 13:29.53 | liable | du_: keep trying with it, if not try irc.debian.org |
| 13:30.05 | Krusky | I'm sorry I have a question that isn't related to debian at all but here is the first english-speaking chan I thought of. Is the word "abuse" always related in something sexual in sentances such as "did they abuse you" ? (yeah, I've warned, nothing related to debian at all, just general question for native english-speaker) |
| 13:30.06 | du_ | liable, ok thx! |
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| 13:30.44 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Kernel parameter. |
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| 13:31.26 | Tassium | Krusky: Nope. Abuse doesn't necessarily mean sexual. |
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| 13:31.51 | liable | certainly not |
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| 13:32.28 | ic3man05 | I did some benchmarking with ut2004 on debian and windows, if any body is interested: http://xaos-realms.net/data/ut2004/linux_vs_windows.html |
| 13:33.18 | liable | i am not really, but how badly did linux lose? |
| 13:33.29 | ic3man05 | not bad at all |
| 13:33.33 | ic3man05 | I call it a tie |
| 13:33.43 | liable | nice |
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| 13:34.05 | xbaez | hello |
| 13:34.11 | ic3man05 | that site is pretty much a chart |
| 13:34.18 | ic3man05 | with a few of my computer specs |
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| 13:35.34 | jsosic | <-- quits [#debian] ; Connection timed out |
| 13:35.42 | jsosic | soorry :( |
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| 13:38.04 | Krusky | Thanks a lot Tassium, and sorry for my offtopic |
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| 13:39.07 | fourcheeze | "krusky is a moron with only have a brain cell" |
| 13:39.10 | fourcheeze | that could be abuse |
| 13:39.17 | fourcheeze | s/have/half |
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| 13:40.34 | shaibn | hi :) i started my netinstaller and made an md0 raid1 device out of two disks. but now it got stuck at 50% when installing grub ... any ideas what I can do to release it from that stuck status? will I need to restart the install? |
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| 13:41.50 | shaibn | in other words .. can I have the entire install be on the md0 raid1 device? |
| 13:42.46 | liable | yes |
| 13:43.35 | shaibn | liable, then why does it get stuck at installing grub? |
| 13:43.46 | shaibn | this is the 2nd time I've started the installer ... |
| 13:44.09 | liable | shaibn: no idea :( |
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| 13:44.18 | shaibn | at first it tries to install lilo and fails... then I tell it to install grub (while still in netinstaller) and it fails again ... |
| 13:44.23 | stew | !ipw2200 TX_POWER is if you get a message like "Failed to send TX_POWER: Command timed out." in dmesg when trying to use ipw2200, try adding the "irqpoll" to your kernel command line |
| 13:44.23 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 13:44.53 | stew | ricky_clarkson: glad you got it working, thanks for getting back to us with the solution |
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| 13:45.37 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Ok. ;) |
| 13:46.14 | ricky_clarkson | stew: ip2100 mailing list reckons it's related to the backported kernel not using udev. |
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| 13:46.38 | ic3man05 | \away http://xaos-realms.net/data/ut2004/linux_vs_windows.html |
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| 13:47.10 | ic3man05 | haha stupidity at its max^^^ |
| 13:48.18 | stew | ricky_clarkson: you could try with udev .91 from bpo, but you should probably just leave well enough alone :) |
| 13:48.28 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Aye. |
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| 13:49.09 | abrotman | !tell ic3man05 about away |
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| 13:51.59 | gentgeen__ | after recent 'aptitude upgrade' my fonts seem messed up. Many apps (not all) have big ugly fonts now... was there a change that I missed |
| 13:52.51 | Tassium | gentgeen__: Obviously yes there was, or you wouldn't be asking. |
| 13:52.53 | gentgeen__ | running 'testing' |
| 13:53.23 | gentgeen__ | Tassium, correct... sorry.... can anyone think of the change that I missed ;-) |
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| 13:56.52 | tux2007 | hello, how to copy file content in a .qcow file to another .qcow file higher-size? |
| 13:57.13 | marsje | where can I find docs about tomcat5/apacha2/jk in debian sarge? |
| 13:57.37 | marsje | I installed the packages with apt-get but I don't know what configuration I have to do next |
| 13:57.52 | marsje | I seem to be missing some config stuff |
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| 14:00.40 | ootput | hi guys, is there a tool that handles dependencies for .deb packages such as opera? |
| 14:00.46 | ootput | automatically, that is |
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| 14:01.33 | abrotman | ootput: have you tried to install opera and it didn't work ? |
| 14:01.48 | ootput | abrotman: yes |
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| 14:02.02 | abrotman | ootput: how did you install opera? |
| 14:02.11 | ootput | dpkg -i |
| 14:02.45 | unity | hello, i was wondering two things. a) what command can i issue to find out what processor i have, and b) why is this channel the same size as it was before the move |
| 14:02.46 | abrotman | apt-get -f install .. see if that takes care of it |
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| 14:02.59 | abrotman | unity: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 14:03.12 | abrotman | unity: and many people other than #debian use freenode .. they just come here .. |
| 14:03.24 | abrotman | unity: afaict .. it is shrinking slowly |
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| 14:04.04 | ootput | abrotman: install doesn't complain.. will run |
| 14:04.07 | unity | ok thank you abrotman. and just curious, does the processor store the modelname string or did linux figure it out? |
| 14:04.11 | abrotman | ootput: ok |
| 14:04.22 | abrotman | unity: eh .. not sure .. might depend on the CPU model |
| 14:04.59 | ootput | abrotman: hmm, opera bin doesn't seem to exist |
| 14:05.10 | ootput | but i'll sort that out on my own |
| 14:05.11 | abrotman | ootput: are you sure? |
| 14:05.13 | ootput | abrotman: thanks |
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| 14:06.04 | shaibn | stew, maybe you know why, on netinstaller, grub gets stuck when it is trying to install on my md0 device? |
| 14:06.19 | smacnay | Hi, with the latest Xorg updates in "testing", I have a lot of dangling symlinks and non-existent files when mandb updates. How do I go through and remove the links so mandb doesn't spew a long email full of errors to me? |
| 14:06.26 | casanova_ | hmmh |
| 14:06.36 | casanova_ | 10 mins have passed |
| 14:06.39 | casanova_ | cool |
| 14:06.53 | casanova_ | goota find some girls |
| 14:07.06 | liable | shaibn: try installing to just one drive and building the array after |
| 14:07.35 | shaibn | liable, but I need to create the raid device before I put data on the drive ... |
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| 14:07.55 | liable | shaibn: why? |
| 14:08.03 | shaibn | isn't that how it works? |
| 14:08.11 | liable | shaibn: you can do it after |
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| 14:08.27 | shaibn | if I don't do it this way... then when I create the raid device, it'll delete all the data on that drive... |
| 14:08.58 | liable | no.. http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm |
| 14:09.11 | shaibn | what I was hoping to get was to get the os to boot off the raid device ... |
| 14:09.50 | peppet | shaibn: impossible |
| 14:10.03 | liable | peppet: oh? |
| 14:10.04 | shaibn | peppet, excuse me? |
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| 14:10.26 | shaibn | it is *very* much possible ... |
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| 14:11.39 | peppet | shaibn: ok, ok, forget me |
| 14:12.08 | liable | weee, i got the raid number right this time.. :P |
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| 14:12.59 | christor | please how to use the x as root in a user session? |
| 14:13.15 | linuzmanju | christor, check /etc/securtty |
| 14:13.18 | liable | sux or kdesu or gksu |
| 14:13.30 | casanova_ | http://80.221.10.186/music/ ---> NOW download the MP3 ---> |
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| 14:13.49 | liable | casanova_: you are a slow learner? |
| 14:14.35 | RvGaTe | wtf was up with him? |
| 14:14.46 | h|barbobot | he obviously really loves that goddamn mp3 |
| 14:14.57 | RvGaTe | yeah, lol |
| 14:15.08 | h|barbobot | Apache/2.0.54 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.0.5-2ubuntu1.2 Server at 80.221.10.186 Port 80 |
| 14:15.08 | stew | he's not even using debian |
| 14:15.12 | h|barbobot | haha |
| 14:15.15 | RvGaTe | Apache/2.0.54 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.0.5-2ubuntu1.2 |
| 14:15.20 | RvGaTe | was about to post that, haha |
| 14:15.44 | h|barbobot | hes got a bunch of biblical stuff there... |
| 14:15.49 | stew | anyway, time to move on... |
| 14:15.51 | h|barbobot | http://80.221.10.186/Apokryptiat/ |
| 14:16.04 | RvGaTe | antichrist ? |
| 14:16.09 | h|barbobot | i hope so! |
| 14:16.17 | RvGaTe | i dont care really.. |
| 14:16.26 | azeem | h|barbobot: please refrain from posting off-topic stuff in here |
| 14:16.33 | h|barbobot | okay azeem |
| 14:16.37 | h|barbobot | DEBIAN UBER ALLES |
| 14:16.50 | azeem | h|barbobot: or being otherwise obnoxious |
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| 14:20.07 | linuxhelp | I just went apt-get install gnome, and then I think it installed or upgraded "udev" and now when I boot my computer it says "Cant find /dev/hda2, dropping to shell" |
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| 14:20.26 | linuxhelp | and then it takes +-100 seconds for a message udev to pop up |
| 14:20.42 | linuxhelp | and then I type exit and boot continues normally |
| 14:20.49 | linuxhelp | *phew* |
| 14:21.19 | liable | linuxhelp: i vaguely remember reading that, possibly in bts |
| 14:21.22 | linuxhelp | Whats wrong? debian stable, 2.6.15 x86_64 |
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| 14:23.14 | icewalker | Hi. I need help as I dont know what it is that I need to google to find my answer. I want to change the text displayed during the boot sequence to be green. Though I do not know what to google. Thanks. |
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| 14:23.42 | linuxhelp | "debian boot text color green" ? |
| 14:23.55 | linuxhelp | or maybe "change debian boot text color" |
| 14:24.06 | liable | i think menu.lst even has it commented |
| 14:24.30 | icewalker | what i found in menu.lst wast for the kernel choices |
| 14:24.41 | icewalker | the BG and FG colors of the menu |
| 14:24.46 | linuxhelp | Should be a kernel option... |
| 14:24.52 | linuxhelp | *parameter |
| 14:24.57 | charzero | you want all the boot messages to be green? (not grub) |
| 14:25.01 | icewalker | yes |
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| 14:25.06 | linuxhelp | like root=/dev/hda2 color=pink |
| 14:25.11 | icewalker | essentially the real time output of dmesg |
| 14:25.18 | icewalker | ah |
| 14:25.24 | charzero | ooh. i want pretty pink console messages! |
| 14:25.49 | linuxhelp | yellow on blue background pwns |
| 14:26.05 | icewalker | yeah, i like green on black though |
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| 14:26.48 | linuxhelp | icewalker, google "linux kernel 2.6 parameter list" |
| 14:27.00 | icewalker | thank you linuxhelp |
| 14:27.58 | linuxhelp | I want a boot splash screen |
| 14:28.06 | formorer | use splashy |
| 14:28.10 | charzero | linuxhelp: thats a whole different ballgame. |
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| 14:28.28 | icewalker | i just did grub splash images |
| 14:28.31 | charzero | linuxhelp: did you find how to chagne color? |
| 14:28.32 | azureus-user | hi all, i'm trying to invoke command "apt-get source xxx", but always get an error "Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_contrib_source_Sources" |
| 14:28.33 | linuxhelp | Windows LinXP now loading |
| 14:28.49 | azureus-user | the file does exist, but empty |
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| 14:29.06 | linuxhelp | charzero, busy installing gnome |
| 14:29.07 | azureus-user | so what's the problem? |
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| 14:30.09 | _RvGaTe | hmm.. my bnc timedout |
| 14:30.36 | liable | azureus-user: an update doesnt fix it? |
| 14:30.55 | azureus-user | apt-get update -f? |
| 14:31.04 | liable | just update |
| 14:31.25 | azureus-user | no.. |
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| 14:31.55 | azureus-user | liable: neither with "-f" |
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| 14:34.52 | azureus-user | So could anyone here have a look at my problem? |
| 14:35.06 | azureus-user | E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_contrib_source_Sources |
| 14:35.24 | azureus-user | while trying to run "apt-get source xxx" |
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| 14:36.06 | Peresko | utorrent is better :) |
| 14:37.12 | abrotman | azureus-user: what are you compiling |
| 14:37.24 | Maulkin | abrotman: "try apt-get update" |
| 14:37.27 | azureus-user | tor |
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| 14:37.30 | Maulkin | no... azureus-user. |
| 14:37.47 | azureus-user | Maulkin: I'm trying to apt-get source tor |
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| 14:37.52 | azureus-user | but always fails |
| 14:37.56 | Maulkin | azureus-user: Run "apt-get update" first |
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| 14:38.21 | azureus-user | Maulkin: apt-get update doesn't fix the problem, but |
| 14:38.28 | Erudified | Does anyone have any idea why Firefox is so sluggish when I scroll down pages? it happens on more or less any page more complex than plain text |
| 14:38.31 | abrotman | Maulkin: eh? |
| 14:38.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:38.34 | azureus-user | Maulkin: but I removed deb-src security.debian.org |
| 14:38.39 | azureus-user | Maulkin: it works now |
| 14:38.53 | azureus-user | Maulkin: this is a new installed system, etch beta 2 |
| 14:38.56 | Erudified | This box isn't uber-beefy but it's a 3ghz celeron with a gig of ram, should be more than adequate for scrolling... |
| 14:39.03 | azureus-user | Maulkin: I think this might be a bug of the beta installer |
| 14:39.27 | liable | Erudified: its blowing for me too since the last upgrade |
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| 14:39.34 | Maulkin | azureus-user: Could you paste the offending line here please? |
| 14:40.00 | liable | in fact my whole desktop is laggy as hell |
| 14:40.24 | Maulkin | azureus-user: it should be: deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:40.33 | richard | hey, my ethernet interface won't come up on boot. it comes up fine when i "ifup" it |
| 14:40.50 | Maulkin | richard: run "man interfaces" and look for "auto" |
| 14:41.18 | richard | ah yes |
| 14:41.21 | richard | i see it commented out |
| 14:41.41 | azureus-user | Maulkin: ok, i commented the line |
| 14:41.58 | Maulkin | azureus-user: What was it please? |
| 14:42.11 | azureus-user | Maulkin: it was deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free, looks ok |
| 14:42.29 | Maulkin | azureus-user: ok, thanks. |
| 14:42.40 | gavagai | i have the testing install cd. if i choose 'server' does that have anything to do with my soundcard? i.e., will debian still try to make my soundcard work? |
| 14:43.13 | liable | gavagai: it will still detect it, yes |
| 14:43.41 | gavagai | thank you |
| 14:44.09 | Maulkin | That's odd... both etch and testing should work fine |
| 14:44.12 | azureus-user | Maulkin: btw, I just want to modify one byte in the source code and rebuild it, so what's the most handy way to do this? |
| 14:44.19 | richard | thanks liable...another stupid mistakeof mine fixed |
| 14:44.30 | richard | you'd think i'd notice that... |
| 14:44.39 | gavagai | ubuntu was a pain in the ass to install so i'm going debian... if i get the pain i want the gain |
| 14:44.45 | Maulkin | azureus-user: Edit the file then run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc" |
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| 14:44.51 | liable | richard: i didnt help, it was Maulkin :) |
| 14:45.08 | richard | ahhh right |
| 14:45.13 | richard | i must be tired... |
| 14:45.23 | richard | thanks maulkin |
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| 14:46.55 | smacnay | mandb is looking for Xau when updating... it is under the /usr/share/man/man3/ dir and lists links to about 6 ot 7 Xauth... apps. Do I remove or rename the Xau.tar.gz file to stop mandb from looking in it and reporting the absence of the other 6 or 7 Xauth files? I believe Xauth is no longer installed on my machine. |
| 14:46.57 | liable | new mysql security fixes out |
| 14:47.32 | abrotman | i'll show you the mysql fix i used ... `apt-get --purge remove mysql*` |
| 14:47.42 | liable | smacnay: hrm, i saw someone else with that today, check the bts |
| 14:47.50 | azureus-user | Maulkin: or maybe the problem the src pool of etch |
| 14:47.51 | smacnay | thanks |
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| 14:49.40 | smacnay | thanks |
| 14:49.42 | smacnay | oops |
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| 14:52.21 | superlinux | I need a program that transforms wave sound into compressed mp3 |
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| 14:52.44 | superlinux | !mp3 |
| 14:52.44 | dpkg | well, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
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| 14:53.22 | superlinux | !encode |
| 14:53.28 | superlinux | !encoder |
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| 14:53.55 | petemc | !lame |
| 14:53.56 | dpkg | [lame] : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
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| 14:55.17 | John-Z | I'm setting up a software raid.. using mdadm, and I'm to the point where I need to install grub on the second hard drive.. so 'grub-install /dev/hdc' is just sitting there.. is that normal.. it's been 30 minutes + |
| 14:55.28 | halibut | what's the best way to search in text files? |
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| 14:55.37 | halibut | (in folders full of them) |
| 14:55.39 | superlinux | halibut, grep -R |
| 14:55.54 | icewalker | !ogg vorbis |
| 14:55.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ogg vorbis is an MP3 alternative, see http://www.vorbis.com/. |
| 14:56.05 | icewalker | ^^ |
| 14:56.42 | ricky_clarkson | I don't have /dev/cdrom. Help me before I go mad from the heat. |
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| 14:57.04 | Maulkin | azureus-user: nope, testing just points at etch, so if testing works, etch should definately work. |
| 14:57.33 | superlinux | ricky_clarkson, what? |
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| 14:57.45 | azureus-user | Maulkin: i'm not sure if testing works properly |
| 14:58.20 | azureus-user | Maulkin: but for a new installed etch beta 2 netinst cd, apt-get source doesn't work. |
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| 14:58.23 | liable | wtf is with all the raid questions? was there a digg article on it or something? |
| 14:58.37 | John-Z | Not sure.. I'm setting up a nameserver. |
| 14:58.42 | Maulkin | azureus-user: Any errors from apt-get update? |
| 14:58.49 | azureus-user | Maulkin: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_contrib_source_Sources |
| 14:58.51 | liable | John-Z: but no, 30 isnt normal |
| 14:58.55 | John-Z | Im just wondering if grub-install should take that long without a response. |
| 14:58.58 | ricky_clarkson | superlinux: Nevermind, sorted it. ;) |
| 14:58.58 | Maulkin | azureus-user: No, from apt-get updtae :) |
| 14:58.59 | John-Z | hrm. |
| 14:59.04 | azureus-user | Maulkin: /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_contrib_source_Sources does exist, but empty |
| 14:59.13 | John-Z | Does the grub-install tool have a log? |
| 14:59.15 | Maulkin | azureus-user: sounds like a problem when you downloaded it |
| 14:59.17 | azureus-user | Maulkin: apt-get update works ok |
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| 14:59.28 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:59.31 | superlinux | nice |
| 14:59.39 | Maulkin | azureus-user: you should re-download it :) |
| 14:59.49 | azureus-user | Maulkin: o... let me have a look, may be the gfw... |
| 14:59.54 | Gomes_R | good |
| 14:59.57 | liable | John-Z: no, why are you manually adding grub to the second drive? |
| 15:00.19 | Gomes_R | install kde in Debian-BR? |
| 15:00.21 | John-Z | Following these instructions: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238 |
| 15:00.31 | John-Z | Because I'm migrating to Raid1 |
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| 15:00.40 | John-Z | How else would you suggest? |
| 15:00.52 | azureus-user | Maulkin: Is /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_contrib_source_Sources a plain text file include package names? |
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| 15:01.07 | azureus-user | Maulkin: i mean should be |
| 15:01.46 | ricky_clarkson | If I remove XF86Config-4 and rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 should that work? |
| 15:02.19 | azeem | !drxx |
| 15:02.19 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 15:02.23 | azeem | !xmd5 |
| 15:02.24 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 15:02.56 | ricky_clarkson | Can't I just get rid? |
| 15:03.24 | Gomes_R | yes includes packages in apt-source list |
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| 15:05.50 | iostream | Hello. Can badblocks be run safely on a mounted volume? |
| 15:05.59 | Maulkin | azureus-user: Oh, *contrib*... checking |
| 15:06.07 | Maulkin | azureus-user: It should be 0 bytes. |
| 15:06.27 | azureus-user | Maulkin: yes, it's 0 bytes... |
| 15:06.40 | azureus-user | Maulkin: but it fails while reading a 0 bytes file |
| 15:06.47 | sussudio | iostream: man badblocks |
| 15:06.52 | liable | John-Z: ok, can you chroot to the new / partition? |
| 15:07.01 | Maulkin | azureus-user: Odd. Are you updating as root? |
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| 15:07.14 | azureus-user | Maulkin: I use sudo to do this job |
| 15:07.15 | iostream | sussudio: doesnt say, it just says something about which test.. but is a read only test safe? (I would guess so) |
| 15:07.30 | azureus-user | Maulkin: I downloaded from security.debian.org manually |
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| 15:07.42 | azureus-user | Maulkin: the file is indeed 0 bytes (gzipped 20 bytes) |
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| 15:07.51 | liable | iostream: the first paragraph also tells you to use chkfs? |
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| 15:08.30 | iostream | liable: I see it now, thanks |
| 15:08.46 | Maulkin | azureus-user: Ok... yes, there's an issue. |
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| 15:08.55 | clarity_ | hey, I'm in debian linux and I'm having trouble getting firefox to play integrated vids |
| 15:09.00 | clarity_ | is it possible? |
| 15:09.01 | Maulkin | azureus-user: I'm not sure what it is at the moment. |
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| 15:09.16 | Maulkin | azureus-user: Well, no. I know what the problem is, but I'm not yet sure how to fix it. |
| 15:09.19 | liable | clarity_: you prolly want mozilla-mplayer |
| 15:09.28 | LinuxHelp | can you see this? |
| 15:09.36 | liable | yes |
| 15:09.41 | LinuxHelp | darn |
| 15:09.53 | azureus-user | Maulkin: just comment deb-src security to work around |
| 15:09.56 | liable | thought you were an invivible ninja? |
| 15:10.08 | Erudified | no, just inscrutable =) |
| 15:10.12 | LinuxHelp | I prefer the term "Stealth Ninja" |
| 15:10.19 | liable | heh |
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| 15:10.32 | clarity_ | liable: what feed is it in? |
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| 15:10.48 | Maulkin | azureus-user: Or remove the contrib and non-free bits from your line |
| 15:10.58 | liable | clarity_: contrib, but you need mplayer too. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 15:11.14 | azureus-user | Maulkin: good idea. |
| 15:11.17 | liable | clarity_: though i think maybe vlc does it |
| 15:11.21 | liable | dunno |
| 15:11.46 | clarity_ | yah |
| 15:12.01 | clarity_ | I downloaded the mozilla-vlc pluggin but it isn't working |
| 15:12.07 | Maulkin | azureus-user: I'll try and fix it now for you, but I'm not sure if I've got the access... |
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| 15:12.55 | Neeesat25 | When I start kde in debian it does not promb me for username or password it gets in like root. Can someone explane how to fix this? |
| 15:13.01 | liable | clarity_: about:plugins? |
| 15:13.10 | azureus-user | Maulkin: thank you. |
| 15:13.20 | du_ | hi all.what package do i need?The plugin to handle a file of type audio/mpeg is not installed |
| 15:13.46 | clarity_ | i'll play with it for a min I'll brb |
| 15:13.49 | du_ | that reposts me gnomebaker |
| 15:13.54 | John-Z | Well guys, after 45 minutes, grub installed on my second drive.. :) |
| 15:14.32 | liable | speedy! |
| 15:14.48 | LinuxHelp | wget says: http://pastebin.com/767504 The Client is Debian Stable 2.6.15 x86_64, server varies (Windows/Linux), only happens to 10.0.0.* |
| 15:15.05 | abrotman | stew: are you working on rosegarden ? |
| 15:15.07 | shaibn | hi :) when I use the backports from backports.org i get a WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 15:15.14 | shaibn | how can i fix this? |
| 15:15.18 | Neeesat25 | Anyone running kde? |
| 15:15.23 | LinuxHelp | shaibn, me too today |
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| 15:15.29 | iostream | What are my few and limited options if I have badblocks on my root filesystem on a remote system? :D |
| 15:15.29 | shaibn | yes, just today ... |
| 15:15.37 | liable | shaibn: erm, if you get that error, you dont have sarges version of apt. |
| 15:15.37 | shaibn | i didn't see this before ... |
| 15:15.39 | abrotman | Neeesat25: how are you starting kde ? |
| 15:15.43 | Neeesat25 | startx |
| 15:15.45 | du_ | can anyone help me?? |
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| 15:15.51 | LinuxHelp | shaibn, just install, and it'll be fixed tomorrow :) |
| 15:15.52 | superlinux | du_ ues |
| 15:15.57 | superlinux | du_ yes |
| 15:15.58 | gavagai | I am installing a desktop system, but i was thinking of choosing server install and then installing desktop stuff by hand. Is that a bad idea? Will it still configure X for me,etc? |
| 15:16.01 | shaibn | liable, I just installed from a debian netinstaller .. how can I not have the sarge's apt? |
| 15:16.03 | gavagai | i'll want x and sound |
| 15:16.13 | du_ | superlinux, i have a problem with gnomebaker |
| 15:16.23 | gavagai | but i don't want to install the 750+ packages for the desktop option |
| 15:16.24 | superlinux | I don't have it |
| 15:16.26 | liable | shaibn: cause you installed etch? :P whats dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 15:16.26 | abrotman | gavagai: that's a fine idea .. that's how many people do it |
| 15:16.27 | stew | abrotman: yeah. i hadn't been doing much for a while, but i think it will be uploaded before long. i have a sponsor for it, we're just working on the upgrade issue of replacing rosegarden[,2,4] to make there just be one "rosegarden" package |
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| 15:16.30 | superlinux | pardon |
| 15:16.36 | ricky_clarkson | I'm finding that my video card isn't detected, but it exists, lspci shows it. |
| 15:16.41 | gavagai | ok good, thanks |
| 15:16.43 | du_ | superlinux, The plugin to handle a file of type audio/mpeg is not installed says me gnomebaker |
| 15:16.46 | abrotman | stew: i just noticed it was orphaned .. a friend was looking for stuff to try to get sponsored |
| 15:16.50 | ricky_clarkson | Here's a log: http://cime.net/~ricky/XFree86.0.log |
| 15:16.50 | shaibn | liable, libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 15:16.55 | gavagai | i just didn't want to make it hard on myself... i like it when it "just works." :) |
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| 15:17.08 | abrotman | gavagai: which DE/WM do you prefer? |
| 15:17.08 | liable | shaibn: hrm, thats ok, whats apts version? |
| 15:17.10 | superlinux | du_ I don't use gnome |
| 15:17.14 | christor | itchi: Are you here? |
| 15:17.25 | shaibn | liable, apt 0.6.44.0bpo3 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 15:17.30 | abrotman | cute |
| 15:17.36 | gavagai | i prefer xfce but my wife will use this, so i may give her gnome |
| 15:17.37 | LinuxHelp | advanced.. |
| 15:17.38 | liable | shaibn: oh, theres a backports version. |
| 15:17.39 | LinuxHelp | hmm |
| 15:17.43 | gavagai | i like fluxbox also but that's not for her. :) |
| 15:17.45 | Neeesat25 | I have made a service S50startx and Just have the startx command inside |
| 15:17.56 | liable | shaibn: see if they instructions on the home page |
| 15:18.05 | gavagai | my true "wm" is gnu screen. :) |
| 15:18.06 | shaibn | liable, k ... |
| 15:18.16 | Neeesat25 | Do I need a special xinitrc file for kde? |
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| 15:19.00 | liable | shaibn: but you wont get signed packages from sarges repos (as far as i know) so you will always get that error from official debian repos |
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| 15:19.16 | nmsa | Hello |
| 15:19.24 | liable | !hi nmsa |
| 15:19.24 | gavagai | i'm really hoping this install works because i want debian. in the past i've always been stymied and went with something with an install that worked automagically on my hardware. but this new debian installer is a huge improvement |
| 15:19.31 | shaibn | liable, oh ... |
| 15:19.38 | liable | dpkg: hi |
| 15:19.38 | dpkg | hola, liable |
| 15:19.41 | nmsa | is there a channel for debian romanian comunity? |
| 15:19.48 | liable | !ro |
| 15:19.54 | abrotman | gavagai: well .. when you decide what you would like to install let us know .. but at this point .. `apt-get install gnome xfce4 gdm x-window-system` .. shoudl get you well on your way |
| 15:20.02 | nmsa | !ro |
| 15:20.03 | gavagai | abrotman, thanks! |
| 15:20.16 | abrotman | !.ro |
| 15:20.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, .ro is Romania |
| 15:20.18 | abrotman | bah |
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| 15:20.19 | gavagai | abrotman, will i need to install anything for sound? |
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| 15:20.27 | liable | nmsa: doesnt seem so, what other language is close? |
| 15:20.30 | abrotman | gavagai: did you install a 2.6 or 2.4 kernel ? |
| 15:20.40 | abrotman | gavagai: (i'm assuming you want to use alsa) |
| 15:20.40 | gavagai | 2.6 |
| 15:20.41 | nmsa | liable: english |
| 15:20.47 | abrotman | gavagai: then hopefully it will magically work :) |
| 15:20.54 | liable | nmsa: heh, then stay here :) |
| 15:21.00 | gavagai | not that it asked me, i just glanced at the screen and it is doing 2.6. ;) |
| 15:21.09 | Tenshi | I'm still not having any xv support when I start xorg (2.6.16 with latest ati drivers). Is that a module that I have to put in the xorg.conf, or is that totally dependent on the driver? |
| 15:21.27 | gavagai | magically working is the best. |
| 15:21.31 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:22.09 | ricky_clarkson | !no screens found |
| 15:22.09 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 15:22.32 | Neeesat25 | Can someone help how to autologin in kde as root when I do startx please? |
| 15:22.39 | ricky_clarkson | Those instructions didn't help. |
| 15:22.53 | liable | Neeesat25: i think kdm disables it |
| 15:22.58 | liable | ricky_clarkson: no errors? |
| 15:23.01 | abrotman | Neeesat25: you don't want to |
| 15:23.10 | ricky_clarkson | liable: (EE) Failed to load module "pex5" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 15:23.15 | gavagai | Neeesat25, what advantage would there be to doing that? |
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| 15:23.27 | gavagai | Neeesat25, i can think of the drawbacks quite easily |
| 15:23.37 | liable | ricky_clarkson: is that a card driver? |
| 15:23.46 | ricky_clarkson | (EE) Failed to load module "pex5" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 15:23.57 | ricky_clarkson | My log is here: http://cime.net/~ricky/XFree86.0.log |
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| 15:24.11 | Neeesat25 | Even as a user and not as root |
| 15:24.24 | Maulkin | azureus-user: looks like I can't fix it now, sorry |
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| 15:25.09 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Looks like it's a font thing. |
| 15:25.23 | gavagai | ok i'm going to head off to the library and let this install. thanks for the help abrotman. i'm sure i'll be back later, heh. cheers. |
| 15:25.32 | ricky_clarkson | Google and apt-cache search don't seem that useful for this. |
| 15:25.48 | azureus-user | Maulkin: it will be always fixed by someone else some time later, anyway, thank you. |
| 15:26.11 | junix|work | what port does ntop run on? |
| 15:26.16 | KillerBee | how do I autoload a module at startup |
| 15:26.20 | TipTap | hmm is it possible to config ftp to auth and get space limit ? |
| 15:26.22 | liable | ricky_clarkson: no, its your mouse |
| 15:26.31 | stew | junix|work: do you mean ntp? |
| 15:26.32 | TipTap | sorry i missed off to get space limits andsuch from a sql backend |
| 15:26.35 | Neeesat25 | I dont get login screen in kde |
| 15:26.40 | junix|work | stew: ntop |
| 15:26.41 | ricky_clarkson | !mouse |
| 15:26.41 | dpkg | mouse is, like, if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. http://www.jahns-arpke.de/Privat/Bautagebuch_/Bautagebuch_mit_Fotos/15_05_2004/Maus.JPG, or http://www.experiencescompany.com/SentImages/Bless%20This%20Mouse.jpg |
| 15:26.56 | liable | ricky_clarkson: is it a ps2 mouse? |
| 15:26.58 | ricky_clarkson | 4.3.0.1 |
| 15:27.05 | ricky_clarkson | liable: It's internal to a laptop. |
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| 15:27.20 | liable | ricky_clarkson: hrm psaux should work |
| 15:27.36 | ricky_clarkson | liable: mdetect springs to mind. |
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| 15:27.55 | ricky_clarkson | mdetect says /dev/psaux (newline) intellimouse. |
| 15:28.05 | liable | ricky_clarkson: well, thats the cause anyway, check if the devs actually exist |
| 15:28.49 | stew | ricky_clarkson: modprobe mousedev |
| 15:29.12 | stew | ricky_clarkson: maybe also psmouse; add mousedev and psmouse to /etc/modules |
| 15:29.14 | liable | isnt there an option for intellimoices |
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| 15:29.53 | liable | moices? heh mouses or mice, depending your mood :P |
| 15:29.57 | stew | IMPS/2 is intellimouse which he is using |
| 15:30.01 | ricky_clarkson | The device file exists. |
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| 15:30.28 | liable | can you cat it? |
| 15:30.45 | ricky_clarkson | Catting it just blocks. |
| 15:30.49 | abrotman | gavagai: enjoy |
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| 15:31.29 | ganymed | hallo. how do i get non-root user to use vpnc? |
| 15:31.34 | stew | ricky_clarkson: is mousedev loaded? |
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| 15:31.49 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Yes. |
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| 15:32.31 | TipTap | anyone here have experience with quota's? As i'm using quota's and they dont appear to be working properly. a repquota reports the usage on -au however its saying a user is using 4kb when i calculate wiht find it gets 161mb |
| 15:32.31 | ricky_clarkson | Heh, I've just realised you were looking at a log file from 2004. |
| 15:32.46 | ricky_clarkson | Reload it. |
| 15:32.49 | liable | !slap ricky_clarkson |
| 15:32.54 | ricky_clarkson | http://cime.net/~ricky/XFree86.0.log |
| 15:33.10 | ricky_clarkson | I uploaded it to ~/ not ~/public_html on that server. ;) |
| 15:33.20 | liable | ricky_clarkson: dont enter a pci slot when it asks |
| 15:33.38 | ricky_clarkson | liable: In drxx? I don't. |
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| 15:33.58 | rash502 | :hi how to use knockd? |
| 15:34.03 | liable | although that should be right anyway |
| 15:34.19 | ganymed | how do i allow a normal user to bind to port 500? |
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| 15:36.13 | yaarg | rash502: you run the daemon and then use something like netcat to knock |
| 15:37.06 | rash502 | when i start it it giveme could not open eth0: bind: Network is down |
| 15:37.17 | rash502 | yaarg:when i start it it giveme could not open eth0: bind: Network is down |
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| 15:37.19 | liable | ricky_clarkson: it doesnt look like the card is actually detected. |
| 15:37.28 | ricky_clarkson | liable: No, but lspci shows it. |
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| 15:37.49 | liable | ricky_clarkson: oh, that was the next question |
| 15:37.58 | beered | Is there a way to convert bunch of .doc files to .pdf? |
| 15:38.04 | ricky_clarkson | liable: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown Device 5460 |
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| 15:38.37 | qwertz | Hallo, kennt jemand von euch Hersteller von RAM-Testgeräten, wo ich also eine Anzahl von RAM-Riegeln reinstecke, die gestestet werden sollen ob voll funktionsfähig oder nicht? |
| 15:38.38 | liable | ricky_clarkson: dont really think it would help, but tried vesa/vga? |
| 15:38.50 | liable | ricky_clarkson: and update-pciids |
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| 15:39.11 | ricky_clarkson | update-pciids doesn't seem to be available in sarge. |
| 15:39.42 | stew | !find bin/update-pciids sarge |
| 15:39.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/update-pciids' (1): (/usr/bin/update-pciids) in admin/pciutils. |
| 15:39.52 | rash502 | howto stelthe all ports |
| 15:40.20 | petemc | rash502: dont run any services |
| 15:40.33 | gezick | i'm trying to set up exim4 to deal with mail locally, instead of forwarding it along, i've got my domains.virtual and aliases.virtual set up, but they don't seem to be getting read. is there a configuration program somewhere that i should be running that i'm not? |
| 15:40.34 | stoned | tell your firewall to DROP packets insetad of REJECT |
| 15:40.40 | stoned | good morning btw |
| 15:40.49 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Duh. vesa works. |
| 15:40.50 | liable | ricky_clarkson: is here |
| 15:40.53 | petemc | gezick: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 15:41.12 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Er, vesa works. update-pciids works, I just assumed it was a package for some reason. |
| 15:41.21 | liable | ricky_clarkson: cool |
| 15:41.21 | gezick | petemc: thanks |
| 15:41.37 | stew | ricky_clarkson: after you run update-pciids, give us the new output of "lspci | grep VGA" |
| 15:41.42 | rash502 | petemc:and knockd is for what ? |
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| 15:42.11 | ricky_clarkson | stew: blah blah blah ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Radeon Mobilitiy M300] |
| 15:42.15 | petemc | rash502: port knocking, id imagine |
| 15:42.32 | rash502 | yep |
| 15:42.53 | liable | its x300 for new ones innit? |
| 15:43.10 | stew | ricky_clarkson: i'm not positive, but i believe you would be supported by the ATI driver in xorg7 |
| 15:43.21 | ricky_clarkson | xorg isn't in sarge. |
| 15:43.22 | TipTap | does anyone know how quota's keep on top of the filesystem to update the quota files when say a user has added a 200mb file? |
| 15:43.24 | stew | liable: yeah i'm guessing its the mobile version of x300 |
| 15:43.33 | liable | ah |
| 15:43.41 | stew | ricky_clarkson: there are backports. or you stick to vesa, or you (yuck) try the closed source driver |
| 15:43.47 | liable | ricky_clarkson: what is it (laptop) |
| 15:43.59 | ricky_clarkson | Toshiba Tecra A4. |
| 15:44.09 | ricky_clarkson | !debootstrap |
| 15:44.10 | dpkg | somebody said debootstrap was <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 15:44.31 | liable | !seen caphuso |
| 15:44.32 | dpkg | caphuso <n=caphuso@p54819620.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 147d 3h 32m 38s ago, saying: 'nerdy2: (ok, we do use sftp, but not in the ftp-over-ssl sense)'. |
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| 15:45.50 | liable | ricky_clarkson: or just use etch :) |
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| 15:46.33 | SevenIsPrime | I have an apt/dpkg problem with a "zombie" file. |
| 15:46.40 | SevenIsPrime | When I do "apt-get check" I get E: The package xyz needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 15:46.41 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Yes, thinking of installing etch in a chroot. |
| 15:46.50 | SevenIsPrime | when I try to "dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq xyz", I get |
| 15:46.56 | SevenIsPrime | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove xyz which isn't installed. |
| 15:47.01 | SevenIsPrime | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.15 | liable | heh, install it? |
| 15:47.32 | SevenIsPrime | liable, I can't because the file is not there any more. I cannot access that package. |
| 15:47.59 | liable | SevenIsPrime: check the staus file for it |
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| 15:48.03 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, forgetting to plug in your laptop-- |
| 15:48.08 | SevenIsPrime | liable: How do I do that? |
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| 15:48.24 | liable | SevenIsPrime: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 15:49.25 | SevenIsPrime | liable: Status is "Status: deinstall reinstreq half-installed" |
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| 15:49.54 | liable | SevenIsPrime: back up the file, change it to not installed, see what apt says |
| 15:50.17 | SevenIsPrime | liable: So I manually edit the status line to "Status: not installed"? |
| 15:50.52 | liable | SevenIsPrime: yeah, what ever the actuall syntax is, find a not installed package |
| 15:51.07 | SevenIsPrime | liable: Ok, one moment. Will try this :) |
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| 15:52.45 | liable | SevenIsPrime: if you arent gonna re-install it, you prolly want to manually remove anything it may have half installed |
| 15:52.45 | SevenIsPrime | liable: apt-get check runs through fine. Thanks! |
| 15:52.51 | liable | np |
| 15:53.28 | SevenIsPrime | liable: Can I remove the whole entry in the status file? I want to make it appear the package never existed (it was a home made attempt to build a kernel package) |
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| 15:53.58 | liable | SevenIsPrime: that should be ok |
| 15:54.10 | junix|work | anyone using ntop here? |
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| 15:54.24 | SevenIsPrime | liable: any other files besides the "status" file that may have entries about the package? |
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| 15:55.18 | liable | SevenIsPrime: not that i can think of, unless dselect may have an entry for it. |
| 15:55.36 | liable | SevenIsPrime: search for the package with aptitiude |
| 15:55.57 | liable | i think it uses dselect data |
| 15:56.07 | SevenIsPrime | liable: Argh! Aptitude still gives me errors when I try to upgrade: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 2299 package xyz Configured-Version for package with inappropriate Status |
| 15:56.09 | liable | or used to |
| 15:56.34 | SevenIsPrime | liable: I will remove the whole entry and see what happens :) |
| 15:56.48 | liable | yeah |
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| 15:57.53 | dashaebig | kekeke |
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| 15:58.00 | SevenIsPrime | liable: ok, that did it. |
| 15:58.06 | liable | sweet |
| 15:58.11 | SevenIsPrime | liable: aptitude does not find it any more, either. |
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| 15:58.45 | SevenIsPrime | liable: Is there a "FAQ" about apt/aptitude that explains this situation and what to do? |
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| 15:59.01 | liable | SevenIsPrime: not that i know of |
| 15:59.09 | liable | SevenIsPrime: make one :) |
| 15:59.14 | SevenIsPrime | liable: I have found more people with this problem and they all where lucky enough to have some version of the offending package to reinstall and then purge properly. |
| 15:59.38 | liable | SevenIsPrime: this isnt really an optimal way to fix dpkg :) |
| 16:00.06 | liable | one slip of the editor and things get very nasty |
| 16:00.13 | SevenIsPrime | liable: Indeed. I was hoping there where ways to do this with dpkg and some --force option. But no way to fix this from within dpkg/apt seems to exist. |
| 16:00.22 | Raenius | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.28 | liable | ohnoes |
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| 16:00.34 | stew | Raenius: you might think about changing that password :) |
| 16:00.40 | liable | :) |
| 16:00.44 | SevenIsPrime | liable: Maybe it could be added to recover from zombie entries? |
| 16:00.54 | Raenius | lol yea |
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| 16:01.18 | odd | is there a wizard for GRUB? |
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| 16:01.31 | stoned | no |
| 16:01.32 | liable | SevenIsPrime: i guess so |
| 16:01.34 | SevenIsPrime | odd: What do you mean by "wizard"? |
| 16:01.46 | odd | SevenIsPrime: so I can change to which MBR it writes to |
| 16:01.58 | stoned | odd, grub-install /dev/blah |
| 16:02.04 | Sivik | how do i get the ability to have qmake |
| 16:02.05 | SevenIsPrime | odd: you can ... see above :) |
| 16:02.07 | odd | SevenIsPrime: I'm booting off of an old non-used disk, and I need to have it boot on the new drive |
| 16:02.25 | ricky_clarkson | stew: liable: I get roughly the same from xorg. |
| 16:02.29 | odd | SevenIsPrime: grub-install won't futzor with the data on the partitions, right? |
| 16:02.31 | gavagai | my new debian install hangs on boot. "waiting for root file system... ALERR! /dev/hda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
| 16:02.45 | gavagai | this is from the etch install cd |
| 16:02.47 | odd | SevenIsPrime: only install itself in the MBR? |
| 16:03.13 | liable | gavagai: are you the one saying it worked after a minute or two? |
| 16:03.20 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai, Nasty. Did you change from a 2.4.x install to a more recent 2.6.x version? For example from stable to testing? |
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| 16:04.00 | SevenIsPrime | odd: I am no grub expert myself, you can install it to other places (see manpage/documentation) |
| 16:04.15 | ricky_clarkson | stew: liable: The log is here: http://cime.net/~ricky/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:04.20 | gavagai | i did a 'apt-get update and upgrade' thing, but i sure didn't mean to go to a new distro |
| 16:04.29 | gavagai | liable, i don't think so. :) |
| 16:04.31 | liable | ricky_clarkson: backports xorg? |
| 16:04.38 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: Did it change the kernel and do you have for example SATA drives? |
| 16:04.45 | liable | gavagai: give it a couple o minutes then |
| 16:04.55 | gavagai | liable, it failed and gave me a root prompt |
| 16:04.56 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: It may happen that the /dev/hda changes to /dev/sda after that ... |
| 16:04.58 | ricky_clarkson | liable: No, xorg from testing. |
| 16:05.12 | liable | ok |
| 16:05.12 | ricky_clarkson | I installed testing in a chroot. |
| 16:05.12 | stoned | SevenIsPrime, did you add any hdd? |
| 16:05.20 | stoned | er.. |
| 16:05.24 | gavagai | not sure if it changed the kernel. i just bought this used box and i am not even sure if it is sata, bt i don't think so. i can check |
| 16:05.24 | SevenIsPrime | stoned: Hehe, you meant gavagai? |
| 16:05.24 | stoned | gavagai, * |
| 16:05.28 | stoned | sorry |
| 16:05.29 | stoned | yes |
| 16:05.30 | gavagai | nope, i didn't add anything |
| 16:05.42 | stew | ricky_clarkson: did the chroot have a /dev and /proc populated? |
| 16:05.45 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: Or any additional drives? |
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| 16:06.01 | ricky_clarkson | stew: /dev yes, /proc no. |
| 16:06.03 | gavagai | i just installed debian, did and update and upgrade, and that's it. maybe i screwed up, i thought 'apt-get upgrade' just updated all packages, but did it bump me from testing to unstable? |
| 16:06.14 | stew | ricky_clarkson: "mount /proc" in the chroot and try it again |
| 16:06.15 | gavagai | it has two drives but i didn't add any since installing |
| 16:06.18 | liable | wtf, primary dev is isa? |
| 16:06.19 | SevenIsPrime | gaelabel: If you added drives (like a CD-ROM or so) to the IDE bus, it might mess with the drive enumeration as well. |
| 16:06.44 | gavagai | it has regular old school connectors on the HDs so i assume that means no sata |
| 16:06.50 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: Not if you did not change the sources.list |
| 16:06.52 | ricky_clarkson | stew: It took longer this time but still failed. |
| 16:06.54 | liable | gavagai: yep |
| 16:06.58 | stoned | gavagai, ide |
| 16:06.59 | gavagai | i didn't change sources list, no |
| 16:07.08 | ricky_clarkson | "could not open default font 'fixed'" |
| 16:07.09 | gavagai | though when it rebooted it said "testing/unstable" |
| 16:07.27 | stoned | ricky_clarkson, dpkg-reconfigure font-config and enable bitmap fonts |
| 16:07.31 | stew | ricky_clarkson: that's progress. you should update the fontpaths to /etc/X11/fonts |
| 16:07.44 | stew | ricky_clarkson: assuming you have xfonts-base installed |
| 16:07.56 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: What is the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 16:08.00 | gavagai | i find this "fix" on google: |
| 16:08.00 | stoned | er.. I umm, fontconfig-config |
| 16:08.00 | gavagai | apt-get install gnome |
| 16:08.02 | stoned | doh |
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| 16:08.10 | gavagai | oh sorry not that... stupid windows copy and paste |
| 16:08.14 | gavagai | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 16:08.16 | gavagai | /sbin/evms_activate |
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| 16:08.25 | gavagai | Ok let me check sources.list |
| 16:08.30 | stoned | gavagai, what file system did you create on /dev/hda1 |
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| 16:08.48 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: That didn't affect the results (checking logs) |
| 16:08.50 | gavagai | ext3 |
| 16:09.01 | stoned | ricky_clarkson, its fontconfig-config |
| 16:09.05 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: Logs the same. |
| 16:09.09 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: Yeah, I know, I did that. |
| 16:09.14 | stew | ricky_clarkson: your xorg.conf has the wrong fontpaths, they moved to /etc/X11/fonts/* |
| 16:09.21 | stoned | ricky_clarkson, oh well I just jumped in I have no idea what your problem is |
| 16:09.28 | liable | he just installed it though |
| 16:09.35 | gavagai | i can't even read sources.list, all i have in /etc is modprobe, scsi_id config, and udev |
| 16:09.36 | liable | stew: ^^ |
| 16:09.38 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: Update the fontpaths where? |
| 16:09.45 | ricky_clarkson | In Xorg.conf or whatever it's called? |
| 16:10.15 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: Ouch. Ok, forgot you could not boot. Hmm. |
| 16:10.15 | gavagai | heh |
| 16:10.15 | gavagai | this is a fresh minimal install, if i have to start over that is OK |
| 16:10.17 | ricky_clarkson | stew: The same question to you. ;) |
| 16:10.19 | liable | x11-common should link the old shits to the new shits, though that was when it first came out |
| 16:10.22 | stew | liable: well he has fontpaths in his xorg.conf like "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" |
| 16:10.38 | stew | ricky_clarkson: yeah xorg.conf, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" might take care of it for you |
| 16:10.56 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai, do you use "grub" as bootmanager? |
| 16:11.02 | gavagai | yes |
| 16:11.06 | stoned | and run fontconfig afterwords and enable bitmap fonts by default and you'll have the fixed width fonts etc. |
| 16:11.35 | ricky_clarkson | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 16:11.39 | ricky_clarkson | Not by me it hasn't. |
| 16:11.40 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai, you can try to go into interactive mode then and use different root drives /dev/hdb1 or somesuch. |
| 16:12.07 | gavagai | do you think that the sources were screwed up and that explains the problem? |
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| 16:12.15 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: You can also try and boot a Knoppix or some other CD-Live version and check your hardware |
| 16:12.22 | gavagai | hmm |
| 16:12.28 | stew | ricky_clarkson: yeah, that stuff is all fixed recently. you can fix that with "md5sum /etc/X11/X > /var/lib/x11/X.md5sum" |
| 16:12.39 | gavagai | i was running ubuntu OK (just no sound) so the hardware should be good |
| 16:12.51 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: I just wanted to check if you have testing or unstable and a new kernel version screwed things up. |
| 16:13.00 | gavagai | right |
| 16:13.18 | gavagai | one second |
| 16:13.22 | stoned | gavagai, you don't have a general 386 kernel that works? |
| 16:13.23 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: It happened to me when I changed from 2.4.x to 2.6.x and my SATA drives where /dev/sd... instead of /dev/hd... . |
| 16:13.37 | stew | ricky_clarkson: and you might as well do the same with the xorg.conf md5sum while you were at it |
| 16:13.43 | stoned | gavagai, when you upgraded, a new kernel got installed, the previous should still be there unless you removed it |
| 16:14.07 | liable | gavagai: whats in /boot/map? |
| 16:14.07 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: Still says it. |
| 16:14.08 | stoned | gavagai, always keep a working kernel handy |
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| 16:14.11 | ricky_clarkson | stew: ^^ |
| 16:14.30 | stew | ricky_clarkson: about /etc/X11/X? or /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 16:14.50 | ricky_clarkson | X |
| 16:14.59 | gavagai | i just restarted and grub shows two kernels with the same version number, except one says "restore" or something |
| 16:15.02 | stew | wierd |
| 16:15.04 | stoned | ricky_clarkson, reset the md5sum on your xorg.conf. also on /etc/X11/X if need be. Then dpkg reconfigure on xserver-xorg and on fontconfig-config |
| 16:15.10 | unity | why can i renice my own process from 0 to 19, but then when i want to renice it from 19 to 17, i get permission denied? |
| 16:15.15 | liable | gavagai: thats ok |
| 16:15.20 | gavagai | let me check /bootm/map as soon as i get a prompt |
| 16:15.42 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: Done, no effect. |
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| 16:15.48 | stew | ricky_clarkson: and /etc/X11/X is a symlink to /usr/bin/Xorg, right? |
| 16:15.55 | stoned | ok now I agree with stew |
| 16:15.57 | stoned | wierd |
| 16:15.58 | stew | bbb19fb467293c5c1a7c41366d4a72ff /etc/X11/X |
| 16:16.25 | ricky_clarkson | stew: It is, yes. |
| 16:16.44 | ricky_clarkson | stew: That md5sum matches. |
| 16:16.44 | gavagai | stoned, well i just installed this 5 minutes ago and i'm new to debian so i wasn't thinking of saving any working kernels or anything |
| 16:16.58 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: Use the "recover" one to boot :) |
| 16:17.05 | gavagai | ok i'll do that. :) |
| 16:18.18 | gavagai | it never occured to me that the kernel would change because i've only adminstered mandrake and there you have to specifically tell it to change the kernel, so i learned something. :) |
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| 16:18.41 | ricky_clarkson | stew: stoned: My current Xorg.0.log: http://cime.net/~ricky/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:18.43 | gavagai | hmm recovery is also hanging |
| 16:18.48 | stoned | gavagai, well the kernel doesn't really change the entry for the newer kernel moves up in menu.lst in grub |
| 16:18.49 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: No problem. It usually give you a ton of warnings when replacing kernels with debian, too. Especially if you are using "stable" :) |
| 16:19.03 | stoned | I mean the upgrade* |
| 16:19.08 | fas3r | hi all |
| 16:19.11 | stoned | god I am having tons of brainfarts today |
| 16:19.14 | fas3r | i have a problem ... |
| 16:19.23 | fas3r | maybe i don't know if it's a problem |
| 16:19.32 | gavagai | i know this is wimping out, but what if i just reinstalled and then checked my sources list before using apt? |
| 16:19.39 | fas3r | i have patch my driver for packet injection |
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| 16:20.05 | stoned | gavagai, when you upgrade, the entry for the newer kernel moves up in grub's menu.lst and in turn is then the topmost entry in OS selection menu upon boot |
| 16:20.08 | fas3r | but when i make iwconfig it see ath0raw but it's see no wireless extension ... it's normaly ?? |
| 16:20.19 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: If you are reinstalling, you don't have to check sources.list. It will be according to your installation either stable or testing or unstable. |
| 16:20.20 | stoned | gavagai, but the kernel should not have been removed, the older one |
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| 16:20.42 | stew | ricky_clarkson: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2775 try replacing your Files section with that for now |
| 16:20.48 | stoned | gavagai, unless you told apt to remove the older kernel, and it would have asked you if you were sure(unless you rebooted with the new one) |
| 16:21.05 | Anthro | !kill me |
| 16:21.14 | Anthro | !kill me |
| 16:21.18 | stoned | stop |
| 16:21.25 | gavagai | i didn't tell it to remove anything, no |
| 16:21.33 | Anthro | !abuse me |
| 16:22.17 | fas3r | and when i make ifconfig athraw up it's ok but when i launch injection packet with aireplay it's say : "open(/dev/rtc) failed: No such device |
| 16:22.17 | fas3r | ioctl(SIOCGIFINDEX) failed: No such device" ... nobody have an idea please .. :s |
| 16:22.18 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: Why did it want to reboot? Usually "apt-get upgrade" does not require a reboot at all. Unless you change something fundamental like the kernel. |
| 16:22.23 | liable | Anthro: try #debian-bots |
| 16:22.37 | Myon | or a query |
| 16:22.59 | Anthro | liable: Sorry, I'm done anyway. |
| 16:23.05 | gavagai | SevenIsPrime, it didn't want to reboot, i just rebooted it myself |
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| 16:23.13 | liable | Anthro: np |
| 16:23.31 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: and before the upgrade it booted fine? |
| 16:23.51 | phaedrus44 | gtkpod rules! |
| 16:24.14 | liable | ipod shits? |
| 16:24.20 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: No joy. |
| 16:24.49 | stew | ricky_clarkson: still complaining about fixed? |
| 16:25.13 | liable | is it the fonts thats the problem though? |
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| 16:25.35 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Yes. |
| 16:25.40 | gavagai | SevenIsPrime, yes, though i only booted once, right after the install |
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| 16:26.20 | stew | ricky_clarkson: can you put a new log up? |
| 16:26.26 | liable | grr, damn syslog is making want to kill |
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| 16:26.58 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: can you access /boot/grub/device-map? |
| 16:27.08 | Fale | anybody know deZender? |
| 16:27.08 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Done. |
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| 16:27.14 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: Make that device.map |
| 16:27.48 | gavagai | heh, no |
| 16:27.52 | gavagai | i can't get to /boot |
| 16:27.52 | stew | hrm |
| 16:28.39 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: well, reboot and when you see the grub list, enter "e" |
| 16:28.42 | stew | ricky_clarkson: try replacing /etc/X11/fonts with /usr/share/X11/fonts in those entries |
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| 16:29.08 | gavagai | ok |
| 16:29.53 | gavagai | ok i hit e |
| 16:30.14 | Fale | anybody know deZender? or other decoder for Zend? |
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| 16:31.22 | evilbulgarian | hi, im looking for a news nntp server that can cache a newsgroup and also have RSS cababilities |
| 16:31.42 | ricky_clarkson | stew: No change. |
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| 16:32.35 | stew | ricky_clarkson: are you sure you have xfonts-base installed? |
| 16:32.39 | Sivik | does anyone know how i can get the ability to get the command qmake? |
| 16:32.57 | stew | Sivik: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 16:32.59 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: Well, you should be able to change the drive settings now. |
| 16:33.02 | liable | !find qmake |
| 16:33.05 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Yes. Now. |
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| 16:33.11 | ricky_clarkson | stew: It works. ;) |
| 16:33.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'qmake' (4 of 8): (/usr/bin/qmake-qt4) in libdevel/libqt4-dev ;; (/usr/share/qt3/.qmake.cache) in libdevel/libqt3-mt-dev ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/qmake-qt3) in libdevel/qt-x11-free-dbg ;; (/usr/bin/qmake-qt3, /usr/share/qt3/bin/qmake, /usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/sco-cc/qmake.conf) in devel/qt3-dev-tools. |
| 16:33.47 | ricky_clarkson | stew: So, um, why was that not installed with xserver-xorg? |
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| 16:34.20 | stew | ricky_clarkson: oh, xserver-xorg is only the server itself. you want to install the "xorg" metapackage which is equiv to the x-window-system-core package |
| 16:34.24 | Sivik | stew: when i run apt-get install, it can't find the package called libqt4-dev |
| 16:34.32 | gavagai | it says root (hd0,0) |
| 16:34.48 | pzn | Hi! where can I get cdimage of debian potato? I have an old equipment based on debian potato and need the install CDs... |
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| 16:34.52 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Aha, thanks. |
| 16:34.58 | h3xis | i have a usb wires mouse and i just upgraded to etch. i also just restarted my computer to boot into any new changes and now the mouse doesn't work. i assume this has to do with xorg. does anyone know what would cause this? |
| 16:35.01 | h3xis | wired* |
| 16:35.12 | stew | Sivik: yes, qt4 isn't in stable. qt3 is. |
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| 16:36.23 | SevenIsPrime | gavagai: Can you boot with the settings there are now? When does the error occur? |
| 16:36.43 | slidesinger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:37.31 | gavagai | well i haven't changed the settings, this is a bit more technical than i'm used to. :) the error always occurs when it tries to mount / , it says the drive doesn't exist |
| 16:37.43 | kensai | hey guys I've been googling for this but I can't seem to find anything: Is there a debian installer iso that has Unstable packages? |
| 16:38.03 | kensai | or I have to install etch and then upgrade |
| 16:38.05 | kensai | ? |
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| 16:39.16 | liable | kensai: you have never run debian? if not, then stick with etch for a while first |
| 16:39.50 | pzn | I have an old ELF binary that when running in potato works ok. in woody or sarge it does not work. it says "libgtk1.2 unable to open display". other apps that use libgtk work ok. I know the binary uses libgtk+setuid. does anyone have a hint about what to do, so it can work in sarge? |
| 16:39.53 | gavagai | thanks for all the help, i'll be back later. |
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| 16:40.22 | slidesinger | kensai: Do you want to run an unstable box for testing purposes or are you looking for a particular package that is not available in stable or testing? |
| 16:40.23 | kensai | liable: yeah I have used debian a while back maybe 2 years ago I have been runing debian |
| 16:40.56 | Neeesat25 | What is the corect way to start kde? |
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| 16:41.35 | kensai | slidesinger: well is that when I used debian I tend to install testing and then update to sid but I want to know if there is a way to install sid right away |
| 16:42.04 | liable | no, sid installs are by default out of date |
| 16:42.07 | liable | isos |
| 16:42.08 | slidesinger | Neeesat25: startx from the command line or from kdm if you want it to run at boot. |
| 16:42.10 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Thanks again for your help. You are the new greycat. |
| 16:42.24 | kensai | liable: Ohh ok thx |
| 16:43.14 | slidesinger | kensai: If you are looking for individual packages, you should consider using pinning. |
| 16:43.29 | ricky_clarkson | !sound |
| 16:43.29 | dpkg | sound is probably ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 16:43.30 | stew | ricky_clarkson: thanks. i think i'm supposed to shout at you to READ THE MAN XORG.CONF now or something :) |
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| 16:43.49 | whaq | hi ho |
| 16:43.51 | whaq | any nslu2 users? |
| 16:43.59 | liable | thats funny but also sad |
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| 16:45.34 | ricky_clarkson | !find testing alsaconf |
| 16:45.48 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'testing alsaconf' returned no results. |
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| 16:46.11 | liable | ricky_clarkson: alsaconf etch |
| 16:46.52 | slidesinger | I have tried parted, fdisk, sfdisk and none of these have provided the information that I need. |
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| 16:47.22 | WizCraker | can qmail have a single authentication for outgoing mail for all users? |
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| 16:48.25 | Luckys | my routing table shows destination as 192.168.1.0 for eth0 and gateway as 192.168.1.2 although in windows it shows me the ip addr to be 192.168.254.1 and gateway to be 192.168.254.254, how I can access internet |
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| 16:48.35 | Luckys | I'm running debian under VMWare |
| 16:49.05 | Luckys | it fails to start X for which I need to dowload the ATI drivers |
| 16:49.12 | ricky_clarkson | liable: It doesn't find anything useful. |
| 16:49.20 | slidesinger | I have tried parted, fdisk, sfdisk and none of these have provided the information that I need. I need to view the mount point and the partition. |
| 16:49.29 | liable | ricky_clarkson: its in als-base or alsa-utils |
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| 16:50.01 | [Gnea] | Luckys: vmware uses an emulated ati chipset now? |
| 16:50.04 | Fale | anybody know deZender? or other decoder for Zend? |
| 16:50.11 | liable | slidesinger: mount? |
| 16:50.29 | ricky_clarkson | liable: "No supported PnP or PCI card found." |
| 16:50.34 | Luckys | [Gnea], when I was installing it did connected to the internet, and downloaded required packages as per the selection |
| 16:50.37 | ricky_clarkson | liable: This stuff's great fun. ;) |
| 16:50.46 | Luckys | [Gnea], I'm not aware about that part |
| 16:50.49 | liable | ricky_clarkson: heh, whats the card? |
| 16:50.57 | blk | i want to loop over a file line by line, using for i in `cat file`; do ...; done, however leads to each whitespace seperated entry in the file to be a seperate $i..how can i do it line by line? |
| 16:51.22 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Intel AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 04) |
| 16:51.24 | [Gnea] | Luckys: ok, well you're using vmware, which has its own graphic driver, you don't need the ati X graphic driver for it. |
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| 16:51.37 | Luckys | [Gnea], then? |
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| 16:51.59 | [Gnea] | Luckys: the only thing you need to worry about is getting the proper X driver for vmware installed - the instructions and drivers are on vmware's site |
| 16:52.07 | liable | ricky_clarkson: is snd-intel8x0 loaded? |
| 16:52.30 | liable | ricky_clarkson: though alsaconf should load the required shits |
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| 16:53.05 | ricky_clarkson | liable: It is now, and alsaconf still fails the same way. |
| 16:53.09 | Luckys | [Gnea], searching for information... thanks |
| 16:53.24 | slidesinger | liable: Sorry. Been running linux for almost ten years and I forgot something that simple. Thanks. |
| 16:53.28 | ricky_clarkson | liable: alsaconf might be unable to, because I'm running it in a chrooted install of etch. |
| 16:53.44 | liable | slidesinger: np |
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| 16:54.37 | liable | ricky_clarkson: hrm, yeah i dunno how it would deal with it in a chroot, though i cant see why it couldnt do it really. |
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| 16:56.18 | Luckys | [Gnea], "The only thing you need to do during setup is to select the Vesa display driver for XFree86 " can I change this config? |
| 16:56.45 | liable | ricky_clarkson: alsaconf works outside the chroot with alsaconf? |
| 16:57.00 | liable | !drxx Luckys |
| 16:57.00 | dpkg | Luckys: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 16:57.41 | liable | oh, theres vmware drivers eh? |
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| 16:58.12 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Yes, it does. |
| 16:58.23 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Is there a way of 'stopping' alsa? |
| 16:58.33 | ricky_clarkson | Nevermind. ;) |
| 16:58.45 | liable | ricky_clarkson: only by removing the sound modules |
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| 16:58.58 | ricky_clarkson | liable: /etc/init.d/alsa stop seemed to work. |
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| 16:59.18 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Well, hopefully I can use alsa from within the chroot even though it's initialised outside it. |
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| 17:00.29 | ricky_clarkson | liable: No such luck. |
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| 17:00.43 | liable | ricky_clarkson: what are you using to test it? |
| 17:00.49 | ricky_clarkson | alsaplayer |
| 17:00.57 | ricky_clarkson | alsaplayer says it's using the NULL PLUGIN. |
| 17:01.06 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe I need to make chroot/lib/modules be a symlink to /lib/modules or something. |
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| 17:01.51 | liable | ricky_clarkson: dont think so, what about cating vmlinuz to /dev/dsp (snd-pcm-oss needed) |
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| 17:02.56 | chiefdome | akso wie kann ich denn die bildwiederholrate einstellen? |
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| 17:03.02 | liable | !de |
| 17:03.02 | dpkg | well, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:03.31 | chiefdome | komischerweise hat alleine der befehl m-a prepare meinen nvidia-treiber zum laufen bekommen |
| 17:03.47 | liable | wow, the bots even pimping oftc for .de :) |
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| 17:04.08 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Works with /proc/kcore - /vmlinuz doesn't exist. ;) |
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| 17:04.37 | liable | ricky_clarkson: ok, cool, so xmms with asla output? |
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| 17:08.32 | ricky_clarkson | liable: ** WARNING **: alsa_get_mixer(): Attaching to mixer hw:0 failed: No such device |
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| 17:09.50 | liable | ricky_clarkson: weird, can you lsmod in the chroot? |
| 17:10.12 | ricky_clarkson | liable: lsmod |
| 17:10.26 | ricky_clarkson | liable: lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 17:11.39 | liable | ricky_clarkson: ok, i dunno whats quite up there, i dont do chroots other than rescue, but you say proc is mounted? what about sys? |
| 17:12.11 | liable | whats mount output? |
| 17:12.20 | ricky_clarkson | I realised I made a mistake with a symbolic link. |
| 17:12.35 | ricky_clarkson | I did ln -s /lib/modules etch-chroot/lib/modules |
| 17:12.50 | ricky_clarkson | So from inside the chroot that looks like /lib/modules links to /lib/modules |
| 17:13.07 | liable | ricky_clarkson: you modprobed inside the chroot? |
| 17:13.29 | ricky_clarkson | modprobe fails inside the chroot. |
| 17:13.46 | ricky_clarkson | Cannot open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.16-1-686/modules.dep |
| 17:13.50 | liable | yeah |
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| 17:14.14 | liable | i dont think that will work |
| 17:14.23 | liable | exit the chroot and modprobe |
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| 17:14.37 | ricky_clarkson | Then go back in and stuff will be ok? |
| 17:14.46 | liable | i think so |
| 17:15.00 | liable | but hey, who knows. :) |
| 17:15.44 | yalu | is anyone else running ech experiencing an X server that segfaults on startup? |
| 17:16.27 | liable | yalu: check the link in /topic |
| 17:16.50 | liable | the status one |
| 17:17.30 | ricky_clarkson | modprobe what? |
| 17:18.17 | yalu | liable: there's some stuff about xorg 6.9 and 7 on that page, I'll read it after having been fed ;-) thanks |
| 17:18.17 | GoAuLd | who play crack-attack ? |
| 17:18.42 | liable | yalu: cook me some bacon! :) |
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| 17:18.58 | liable | ricky_clarkson: lsmod has all sound stuff loaded? |
| 17:19.27 | ricky_clarkson | liable: It has some sound stuff loaded - I don't know what 'all' is here. |
| 17:19.39 | liable | ricky_clarkson: i dunno what you wanted to modprobe, you said it failed before. |
| 17:19.57 | ricky_clarkson | E.g., modprobe snd. |
| 17:20.00 | ricky_clarkson | Anything really. |
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| 17:20.40 | ricky_clarkson | I want alsa to be usable from inside the chroot, which it seems to be in that /dev/dsp works, but xmms doesn't. |
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| 17:21.43 | liable | ricky_clarkson: strange, cause thats using alsa-oss emulation, so basically alsa works, but theres some sort of dev problems |
| 17:23.57 | liable | ricky_clarkson: which made me think about /proc or /sys though i dont really know how or what they do in a chroot |
| 17:24.34 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Nothing in /sys. |
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| 17:26.03 | stew | ricky_clarkson: "mount /sys" |
| 17:26.04 | stew | liable: they do the same as outside the chroot (if you remember to mount them) |
| 17:26.06 | ricky_clarkson | stew: can't find /sys in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab. |
| 17:26.32 | stew | hrm |
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| 17:26.56 | stew | ricky_clarkson: how about "mount -t sysfs none /sys" |
| 17:26.56 | lws | Does anybody know why might linux only see 980 mBs of ram when you have 2048Mbs? |
| 17:26.57 | ricky_clarkson | Oddly enough there is no entry for sys in $REAL_ROOT/etc/fstab either. |
| 17:27.16 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Ok, that worked. |
| 17:27.40 | lws | free displays: Mem: 906744 for my total. When I book the BIOS does report that I have the full 2048 mBs though. |
| 17:27.45 | lws | book/boot |
| 17:28.23 | ricky_clarkson | XMMS still doesn't find the alsa that was started outside the chroot. |
| 17:28.57 | stew | ricky_clarkson: which output plugin are you using? |
| 17:28.59 | ricky_clarkson | And alsaconf within the chroot still doesn't find my cards. |
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| 17:29.09 | ricky_clarkson | stew: The Alsa one. |
| 17:29.29 | ricky_clarkson | The output is ** WARNING **: alsa_get_mixer(): Attaching to mixer hw:0 failed: No such device |
| 17:29.53 | stew | ricky_clarkson: you could try using the $REALROOT/dev if you "mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev" from outside the chroot |
| 17:30.03 | evilbulgarian | hi, does anyone know of a way to expose a news group chaching server to an web application via lets say RSS or SOAP? |
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| 17:30.32 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Is it worth doing that with /lib/modules too, if that's even possible? |
| 17:30.33 | liable | ooh, thats an idea |
| 17:30.42 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Should I exit the chroot before doing that? |
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| 17:31.21 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, well, didn't work anyway. |
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| 17:31.38 | stew | ricky_clarkson: no need for /lib/modules; i dunno if you have to exit the chroot but i don't think so |
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| 17:32.24 | stew | ricky_clarkson: and don't do what i did last night. don't forget to unmount the --bind mounted /dev before you rm -rf the chroot :) |
| 17:32.41 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Doing the same for /lib/modules seems to get me further. |
| 17:32.53 | stew | oh, hmm |
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| 17:33.16 | stoned | is there a way to convert a sarge package for sid use? |
| 17:33.18 | ricky_clarkson | I still get stuff like Can't locate module snd-intel8x0, but it appears to work.. |
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| 17:33.31 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: You can use a sarge package in sid. ;) |
| 17:33.45 | teolupus | About SAMBA: I'd like to share something (eg.: /tmp or a printer) to network, and I want users to authenticate with a valid (local) user & passwd. For now, I've been only sucessful by adding user to the O.S. and smbpasswd it. I'm looking for a way to keep the users and password at PostgreSQL instead of /etc/passwd. Is that possible with Samba 3? [Clients are windows machines, and I must keep password encrypted] |
| 17:34.16 | abrotman | ask #samba |
| 17:34.35 | ricky_clarkson | xmms still gives me the same output. |
| 17:34.35 | stoned | well, its jdoom packages for sarge, but I am using sid, and I get this error, if I try to do anything, update works fine without problems, gpg keys added too. E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/eyagi.bpa.nu_%7ejamie_debian_dists_sarge_main_source_Sources |
| 17:34.42 | liable | heh, and go sleep for a while :) |
| 17:35.08 | teolupus | abrotman: I did, but I know there are some good SAMBA admins here too :) |
| 17:35.13 | stoned | http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/community-projects/yagisan-s-doomsday-for-debian-ubuntu <--- where I am getting the packages fom |
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| 17:35.22 | liable | ricky_clarkson: does xmms work with dsp plugin? |
| 17:35.33 | liable | oss.. |
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| 17:37.00 | ricky_clarkson | liable: No, it just does nothing but doesn't crash. |
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| 17:37.56 | liable | /dev/dsp isnt busy? |
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| 17:38.24 | mada | if i am installing of an etch netinstall disk and it gives me an error when trying to install base system because it failed to load some "file://" is that just a bad cd image? |
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| 17:39.17 | ricky_clarkson | liable: I just retried, got the old permission problem, which I think I know how to sort out. |
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| 17:40.22 | beered | is there a way to batch convert doc to pdf? |
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| 17:40.39 | blondie | beered: yes, but it'll lose formatting |
| 17:40.41 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Yep, it works with OSS, now I added my user to audio. |
| 17:40.56 | ricky_clarkson | !mp3 |
| 17:40.57 | dpkg | hmm... mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 17:40.58 | liable | ricky_clarkson: doh, didnt even think of that! |
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| 17:41.02 | beered | blondie: how is that conversion than? :) |
| 17:41.17 | ricky_clarkson | liable: It didn't give the permission warning until just then, so it wasn't that before. |
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| 17:41.25 | guk | How would I remove a swap partition ... my system has 2 swap drives going ... I just want to remove one of them |
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| 17:41.36 | mada | if i am installing of an etch netinstall disk and it gives me an error when trying to install base system because it failed to load some "file://" is that just a bad cd image??? |
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| 17:41.39 | blondie | beered: it maintains the textual content |
| 17:41.45 | roler | did irc.debian.org change to another server? |
| 17:41.58 | liable | roler: yes |
| 17:42.05 | liable | roler: /topic |
| 17:42.13 | guk | sweet ... swapoff |
| 17:42.13 | guk | :) |
| 17:42.34 | ricky_clarkson | What do I need to make xmms play mp3s in Debian? |
| 17:42.56 | liable | mne: maybe, etch installer is still beta though, so may be it as well |
| 17:43.07 | liable | ricky_clarkson: libmad0 iirc |
| 17:43.19 | mne | hi, I'm just playing with xcompmgr, gcompmgr and similar stuff. It works just fine and really looks nice, but there is no way to dynamically set the transluency of windows. Does anyone know a "transluency manager" that can dynamically set the transluency ? |
| 17:43.29 | mne | liable, i guess you meant someone else :) |
| 17:43.36 | keks | hi, i'm just reading a post dating back to 2003 about plans to make localpurge obsolete and integrate some generic install-time file exclusion mechanism in dpkg. does it already work? |
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| 17:43.50 | Sadus | ricky_clarkson, apt-get install xmms, Debian isn't like Fedora Core |
| 17:43.50 | liable | mne: yeah, damn nicktab.. sorry :) |
| 17:43.58 | mne | liable, hehe, np |
| 17:43.59 | beered | blondie: nah, I have to convert doc's as-is to pdf. there are tables and things in these files. |
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| 17:44.46 | ricky_clarkson | Sadus: I already did that. |
| 17:45.05 | itchi | liable: I have get an additional HDD ;-) so i have 2 HDD of the same size and goes to setup it to Software RAID1 :-) |
| 17:45.07 | ricky_clarkson | Sadus: I don't use Fedora Core. |
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| 17:45.27 | liable | Sadus: libmad0 isnt a depends on xmms |
| 17:45.34 | liable | itchi: swwet |
| 17:45.42 | ricky_clarkson | liable: libmad0 is installed. |
| 17:45.48 | itchi | liable: Yeah, i have no more money :-/ |
| 17:45.51 | ricky_clarkson | I see the MP3 stuff in xmms' dialogs but it just skips past my MP3 file. |
| 17:46.00 | ricky_clarkson | It plays a .wav file fine. |
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| 17:46.02 | itchi | liable: But you know, the data ... |
| 17:46.04 | abrotman | they might be invalid .. |
| 17:46.06 | abrotman | try another player |
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| 17:46.21 | smallfoot- | does debian have anything like http://slackwiki.org/Packages which say what package comes with debian and what license they are? |
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| 17:46.31 | ricky_clarkson | !vlc |
| 17:46.32 | dpkg | i guess vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
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| 17:46.43 | liable | 4am, night |
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| 17:46.53 | ricky_clarkson | I can only see videolan-doc, not videolan in apt-get's amazing command completion. |
| 17:47.05 | roler | liable; but freenode is the original right? |
| 17:47.07 | mada | if i am installing of an etch netinstall disk and it gives me an error when trying to install base system because it failed to load some "file://" is that just a bad cd image? |
| 17:47.10 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: are you on etch ? |
| 17:47.14 | ricky_clarkson | Yep/ |
| 17:47.16 | itchi | liable: I continue to read a bit that howto on tldp, eat a bit, and go to setup. And then go to sleep. When the job are doen :-/ |
| 17:47.22 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: etch in a chroot. |
| 17:47.32 | liable | roler: it was yes, oftc is the 'official' channel now |
| 17:47.32 | smallfoot- | does debian have anything like http://slackwiki.org/Packages which say what package comes with debian and what license they are? |
| 17:47.48 | unity | are there any programs to video record parts of the screen for me? |
| 17:47.49 | liable | roler: but feel free to stay here :) |
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| 17:48.04 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: vlc isn't available .. i solved it by grabbing the package from sid .. and then getting whatever libraries it wanted |
| 17:48.11 | beered | Is there AND in apt-cache? I always use 'apt-cache search pdf | grep doc' but I bet there is an easier way to do it. |
| 17:48.18 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Ugh. Any other players you'd suggest? |
| 17:48.21 | abrotman | beered: apt-cache search pdf doc |
| 17:48.27 | dabreegster | beered: you can have multiple keywords |
| 17:48.28 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: to play .. what? |
| 17:48.29 | beered | abrotman: ppft. I knew it. |
| 17:48.40 | stew | smallfoot-: http://packages.debian.org and http://packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 17:48.42 | beered | dabreegster: cool. |
| 17:48.48 | roler | liable; I sure will, this network is much more tech oriented with #php, #mysql and all that jazz |
| 17:48.49 | abrotman | beered: man apt-cache :) |
| 17:48.50 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: An MP3. |
| 17:48.52 | Phated | Hey, dabreegster! |
| 17:49.00 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: eh .. gnome? kde? anything? |
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| 17:49.03 | stew | smallfoot-: once you browse to a particular package page for a package there will be a link to its copyright file |
| 17:49.04 | dabreegster | Phated! |
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| 17:49.38 | dabreegster | Phated: I finally got around to coming in here again, what with it being summer vacation and such for me |
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| 17:49.44 | Phated | dabreegster: Cool. |
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| 17:49.57 | Phated | dabreegster: You do know about the oftc move? :) |
| 17:49.58 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: ? |
| 17:50.07 | beered | Is there a way to convert sout to html using pipes? e.g. man apt-cache > index.html | lp index.html |
| 17:50.08 | dabreegster | Phated: Yep, but I'm sticking here |
| 17:50.11 | Phated | dabreegster: Cool. |
| 17:50.39 | ma3x | why do I see mixed characters, when I open a manpage (less) or mondoarchive (a lot) |
| 17:50.43 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: rhythmbox doesn't seem to know what MP3s are. |
| 17:50.53 | abrotman | yes it does |
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| 17:51.03 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: maybe .. zinf ? mpg321 or something ? |
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| 17:51.13 | smallfoot- | stew, http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/graphics/gimp i see no license |
| 17:51.22 | itchi | I have put 2 HDD of the same size (80GB) in an computer. When i do 'less /proc/partition' i get 3 64 80043264 hdb |
| 17:51.22 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.27 | liable | abrotman: hes in a chroot btw |
| 17:51.28 | itchi | oeps |
| 17:51.42 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 17:51.46 | evilbulgarian | hi, does anyone know of a way to expose a news group chaching server to an web application via lets say RSS or SOAP? |
| 17:51.46 | m0rbid | anyone know if Gaim has been fixed in SID yet? |
| 17:51.51 | abrotman | liable: i'm not sure it matters |
| 17:51.57 | itchi | So hdb and hdc. But what meand that 'minor' 64? |
| 17:51.58 | smallfoot- | now i find |
| 17:52.01 | smallfoot- | but its very hard to find |
| 17:52.06 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: In rhythmbox, I select an MP3, and it loads it then still displays '0 songs'. |
| 17:52.06 | abrotman | are you using ubuntu ? |
| 17:52.07 | liable | abrotman: me either, just saying |
| 17:52.11 | stew | smallfoot-: click on "copyright file" |
| 17:52.15 | Ronin | umm smallfoot- ubuntu? |
| 17:52.16 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: try a CLI player |
| 17:52.29 | smallfoot- | abauer, oops |
| 17:52.38 | ma3x | stew, can you help me please? when I open some graphical program in the konsole like mondoarchive for eg. , I am seeing the frames with strange characters. do you know why this happens? |
| 17:52.42 | abrotman | !beer abauer |
| 17:52.53 | abrotman | ma3x: fix your locales |
| 17:52.55 | liable | night fuxors! |
| 17:53.00 | abrotman | or get a better program |
| 17:53.01 | smallfoot- | stew, but there is no way to list all package and license next to each other so i can quickly see that software has a license to aovid |
| 17:53.05 | itchi | I think i say i bad. When i do 'less /proc/partitions' i get some lines. The two interesants: |
| 17:53.07 | stew | ma3x: i don't know what mondoarchive is, can you provide a screenshot |
| 17:53.10 | itchi | major minor #blocks name |
| 17:53.15 | itchi | 3 64 80043264 hdb |
| 17:53.20 | itchi | 22 0 80043264 hdc |
| 17:53.37 | stew | smallfoot-: not that i know of. can you give an example of a license you would avoid? |
| 17:53.52 | itchi | So the 2 HDD's are been there. But for one the are noted minor 64. What mean that and why the other not 64? |
| 17:53.56 | dabreegster | smallfoot-: Well, logically packages with non-free licenses will be in the appropriate section |
| 17:53.58 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: The file was owned by root. It could have just said.. |
| 17:54.12 | smallfoot- | stew, well there are hunreads of licenes.. so i would like to check all software for license that is not GPL or LGPL then look if its a bad license |
| 17:54.23 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: but it's just reading it |
| 17:54.35 | stew | smallfoot-: debian is very restrictive about the licenses it will accept inthe first place, its possible that sticking to debian software only might fulfill your desires, see /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 17:54.43 | Ronin | smallfoot-: seriously? you have a lot of free time dont you:) |
| 17:54.44 | smallfoot- | ya |
| 17:54.47 | smallfoot- | yes |
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| 17:55.01 | smallfoot- | Ronin, i dont want install software that is not-free on my system |
| 17:55.04 | AfterDeath | why did debian move? |
| 17:55.12 | abrotman | smallfoot-: so don't use non-free |
| 17:55.13 | Ronin | AfterDeath: topic |
| 17:55.16 | abrotman | AfterDeath: /msg dpkg oftc move |
| 17:55.18 | m0rbid | Is anyone here having troubles with Gaim segfaulting in unstable? |
| 17:55.24 | abrotman | m0rbid: checked the BTS? |
| 17:55.26 | dabreegster | smallfoot-: You'd like the package vrms |
| 17:55.36 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: It was readable only by root. |
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| 17:55.42 | m0rbid | abrotman: nay, to be honest I dont know how. |
| 17:55.54 | abrotman | m0rbid: bugs.debian.org/gaim |
| 17:55.57 | stew | smallfoot-: if you only use the "main" repositories in debian you will only get dfsg compliant software |
| 17:55.58 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: uh .. ok |
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| 17:56.03 | m0rbid | abrotman: gracias dude. |
| 17:56.16 | smallfoot- | abrotman, but not always easy determine what is free and what is not, when there is no list of license |
| 17:56.30 | stew | smallfoot-: that's why you should trust the dfsg |
| 17:56.31 | abrotman | smallfoot-: if it's in 'main' .. it's DFSG free .. |
| 17:56.34 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 17:56.34 | Ronin | smallfoot-: i thnk theyre saying if its in main youll be ok |
| 17:56.34 | dpkg | methinks dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 17:56.55 | smallfoot- | stew, ya but i think DFSG should create a list of all pkg and their licene |
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| 17:57.39 | stew | smallfoot-: agreed. it would be a good project. you're nominated :) |
| 17:57.45 | smallfoot- | :D |
| 17:57.57 | smallfoot- | well could someone bring it up to the board? |
| 17:58.00 | keks | i build a busybox set containing all tools to be able to replace coreutils, mount, and others. now what do i have to prepend to coreutils, mount, ... in the control file when building a debian package of busybox, so that i will be able to remove coreutils, mount, ... after having installed busybox ??? |
| 17:58.14 | stew | smallfoot-: board? |
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| 17:58.20 | Ronin | we have a board? |
| 17:58.22 | dabreegster | The guidelines are capable of creating a list of packages and licenses? And here I was thinking they were simply written guidelines, not people or scripts. |
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| 17:59.11 | ma3x | stew, http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot35zn.png |
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| 18:00.59 | keks | i tested "replace: coreutils, mount" in the control file but wasn't able to remove coreutils later, so i guess i must be some kind of combination of "replace", ""provide", etc. any ideas? |
| 18:01.16 | stew | ma3x: the teminal you are using doens't know how to display line drawing characters, if you were to do the same in xterm, you would likely see them |
| 18:01.25 | m0rbid | holy crap, to a non-coder, how the hell are we sposed to know what 'bug' is the one we are having? |
| 18:01.51 | dabreegster | m0rbid: What problem are you having with gaim? It can't be that hard to figure it out |
| 18:02.01 | ma3x | stew, you use xterm? |
| 18:02.14 | m0rbid | It segfaults when I load it up. Xorg, Unstable... |
| 18:02.39 | m0rbid | I dont even know where to look for an error. |
| 18:02.52 | dabreegster | m0rbid: OK, I'll check the list. I'd search for segmentation fault or segfault or even crash... seems like a good idea. |
| 18:03.05 | m0rbid | dabreegster: thanks man. |
| 18:03.10 | stew | ma3x: yes, i'm currently using the lxterm variant of xterm, i don't recall at all what the l is for |
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| 18:03.20 | dabreegster | m0rbid: run 'gdb gaim', then type 'run' at the prompt, and when it's finished, maybe 'bt' |
| 18:03.29 | m0rbid | k |
| 18:03.38 | mada | if i am installing of an etch netinstall disk and it gives me an error when trying to install base system because it failed to load some "file://" is that just a bad cd image??? |
| 18:04.34 | m0rbid | exit after 'bt'? |
| 18:04.58 | m0rbid | its a looong list of whatever that is. |
| 18:04.59 | dabreegster | m0rbid: yeah, ctrl+D. Any interesting looking output? |
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| 18:05.14 | ma3x | stew, how do I make the resolution or font size bigger in lxterm? |
| 18:05.21 | m0rbid | it all looks interesting to me. |
| 18:05.21 | ma3x | the letters are too small |
| 18:05.22 | m0rbid | lol |
| 18:05.32 | dabreegster | m0rbid: pastebot it somewhere or /msg it to me (I'm checking the list now). There's also a gaim-dbg package you might want to look into |
| 18:06.45 | larrikin | can someone tell me what packages I need to install to get a working *free* java with support for applets in my mozilla browser ? |
| 18:07.28 | charzero | larrikin: what kind of "free" ? |
| 18:08.22 | larrikin | charzero: well I skipped through the controversy in debian-devel/-legal and I saw multiple mention of a working *free* java in main |
| 18:08.32 | Supaplex | !free |
| 18:08.33 | dpkg | [free] defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 18:08.56 | charzero | larrikin: If you don't mind using sun's java, there is an easy way to make a deb out of sun's installer. |
| 18:09.03 | dabreegster | m0rbid: I can't find where you described the problem in more detail in the past few minutes, but when was it segfaulting? As soon as it started? When you moved your mouse over a particular icon? Lots of bug reports about segfaults. |
| 18:09.10 | m0rbid | http://paste.humanhighway.org/paste/show/1 |
| 18:09.16 | m0rbid | theres the backtrace |
| 18:09.23 | dabreegster | m0rbid: OK |
| 18:09.37 | larrikin | charzero: I'm specifically intersted in the java in main, whether or not it fits anybodys interpretation of the word 'free' .. |
| 18:09.58 | mada | if i am installing of an etch netinstall disk for amd64 and it gives me an error when trying to install base system because it failed to load some "file://" is that just a bad cd image??? |
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| 18:10.14 | charzero | larrikin: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 18:10.26 | Ab3l_ | debian etch is the "testing" and dapper the unstable ? |
| 18:10.26 | tarzeau | can i tell apt to use ~/etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 18:10.36 | larrikin | charzero: k, thanks .. does it include a browser plugin ? |
| 18:10.38 | valdyn | charzero: that is not in main |
| 18:10.39 | tarzeau | and write whatever apt-get update writes into my ~ ? |
| 18:10.40 | m0rbid | sid is unstable. |
| 18:10.49 | tarzeau | m0rbid: no. sid is called unstable. |
| 18:10.53 | charzero | valdyn: Its not? |
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| 18:11.13 | m0rbid | sorry, thought thats what he was talking about. |
| 18:11.25 | mada | Ab3l_: you are mixing distros, etch==testing , sid==unstable ... dapper==ubuntu linux |
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| 18:11.27 | valdyn | larrikin: doesnt look like there is a free java plugin |
| 18:11.45 | dabreegster | m0rbid: Glancing at the output, it looks like you have a pthread problem. I remember some issues with that and epsxe a while back. |
| 18:11.57 | m0rbid | any fixs? |
| 18:11.58 | larrikin | valdyn: I see.. |
| 18:12.25 | charzero | Are there any (non-ethical/moral/theological) problems with using contrib? |
| 18:12.34 | dabreegster | m0rbid: There doesn't seem to be a libpthread0 or -dev package in testing where I am, but check to see if you have the latest version of the pthread library |
| 18:12.41 | abrotman | charzero: that's for you to decide .. they usually depend on non-free items ... |
| 18:12.43 | abrotman | !contrib |
| 18:12.43 | dpkg | methinks contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end. |
| 18:12.44 | dabreegster | m0rbid: And when does it segfault? As soon as it starts? |
| 18:12.46 | yalu | liable: no luck, unfortunately... I'm getting a simple hard segfault, and the wiki says nothing about that... |
| 18:12.56 | valdyn | charzero: my freedom has nothing to do with ethics |
| 18:13.13 | m0rbid | dabreegster: yup, I actually had to run it from console just to see i segfault. when I do it in X nothing happens. |
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| 18:13.32 | dabreegster | m0rbid: OK. Hmm. |
| 18:13.38 | charzero | valdyn: I am content with the license sun uses for java. |
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| 18:13.55 | valdyn | charzero: ethics define if freedom is good or not, freedom is a is not an evaluating attribute |
| 18:14.22 | pipeline | who was it that was working on xgl in sid? |
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| 18:14.52 | larrikin | charzero: I am never happy to accept the kind of license terms that Sun is offering. Occasionaly I accept it when I feel I have no other choice. I hope there is a difference in that. |
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| 18:15.22 | m0rbid | dabreegster: apt-cache shows nothing with 'pthread'. |
| 18:15.27 | dabreegster | m0rbid: I dunno how to help you further besides telling you to check your pthread libraries, sorry. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=312108 looks somewhat similar; do you have it set to autoconnect anywhere? |
| 18:15.43 | dabreegster | m0rbid: Ditto here on testing. |
| 18:16.01 | m0rbid | dabreegster: yeah I do, but I cant even get into it to set anything differently. |
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| 18:16.35 | dabreegster | m0rbid: You could always edit the config file manually. Just to see if it's the problem. Temporarily move it somewhere else, give it a blank config |
| 18:16.52 | m0rbid | yeah i tried that. |
| 18:17.03 | avar | What module provides the fuse kernel module? I installed sshfs which requires it but it did not install it |
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| 18:17.17 | valdyn | avar: the fuse module |
| 18:17.17 | dabreegster | Then it might not be that bug. I guess you could submit a new report. |
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| 18:17.48 | m0rbid | Im gunna do an apt-get upgrade see if that fixes anything first. |
| 18:17.57 | avar | valdyn: what package is it in? |
| 18:18.07 | valdyn | avar: have you tried apt-cache search fuse ? |
| 18:18.19 | unity | can someone please help me quickly kill a defunct tar process? i think it is damaging my hard disk |
| 18:18.20 | avar | yes |
| 18:18.36 | dabreegster | unity: kill -9? |
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| 18:18.51 | m0rbid | kill -9 PID |
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| 18:18.57 | valdyn | unity: you cant kill a defunct process |
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| 18:19.12 | kronoz | why do people always use kill -9 instead of kill -KILL the latter makes more sense |
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| 18:19.33 | unity | dabreegster, m0rbid: sudo kill -9 4459 did nothing |
| 18:19.41 | valdyn | both commands are stupid |
| 18:19.51 | valdyn | and a defunct process is already dead |
| 18:19.58 | m0rbid | yes, hes right. |
| 18:20.05 | dabreegster | unity: Can you kill the parent? |
| 18:20.09 | unity | valdyn: what can i do with it? it is writing/reading from hard disk constantly, or something else is |
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| 18:20.20 | valdyn | unity: it isnt writing to your harddisk |
| 18:20.26 | valdyn | unity: its dead, its not doing a thing |
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| 18:20.36 | mfrisch | I have woes with amd-64 sid. X will not install and mirrors are missing packages file. What is my course of action it has been this way for at least a month? |
| 18:20.40 | avar | valdyn: one would think it's libfuse2 but it's not |
| 18:20.48 | mada | anyone ever used the business card cd image to do a net install? |
| 18:20.53 | srinath_man | Does anybody know how can I get a horizantal scrollbar on a terminal ? I don't want the lines to be wrapped ... |
| 18:20.59 | avar | or not |
| 18:21.35 | valdyn | avar: i cant believe you cant find 'fuse-source' by using apt-cache search |
| 18:21.42 | unity | something is accessing to my disk like crazy and making the computer slow. what can it be? pdflush? |
| 18:21.44 | stew | ma3x: you would change the fonts via .Xresources ; man X and look at the RESOURCES section and man xrdb |
| 18:22.14 | mfrisch | srinath_man, use konsole/ |
| 18:22.42 | dabreegster | unity: See what's running. top or htop. |
| 18:23.14 | valdyn | unity: maybe that helps you: a defunct process should not exist. If it exists then the reason it is there is a kernel bug. Usually that is a driver bug. Defunct processes still arent really as rare as they should be.. |
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| 18:23.27 | srinath_man | mfrisch: and where do I set it ? i didn't find |
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| 18:23.29 | valdyn | unity: and a defunct process never 'does' anything at all, its dead |
| 18:23.39 | mfrisch | srinath_man, give me a sec |
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| 18:23.58 | sid | Can someone paste my join line, ie sid hostmask has joined #debian |
| 18:24.39 | unity | valdyn: odd, because i ps -A right after the harddisk led went off, and the defunct tar was gone |
| 18:24.42 | dabreegster | sid: When did you log in? |
| 18:25.07 | unity | dabreegster: in top, i had 99% wa. what is wa? |
| 18:25.09 | sid | dabreegster: What do you mean? I connected to freenode just now. |
| 18:25.11 | mfrisch | srinath_man, I misspoke I did not find horizontal |
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| 18:25.41 | dabreegster | sid: Oops, must have /ignore set to disregard JOINs, sorry |
| 18:25.45 | dabreegster | unity: Not sure |
| 18:25.46 | valdyn | unity: that's ok, you're 'lucky' then |
| 18:26.03 | dabreegster | unity: Write access maybe? |
| 18:26.10 | srinath_man | mfrisch: thanks anyway |
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| 18:26.13 | kronoz | sid, [19:23] --> sid has joined this channel (n=username@unaffiliated/kerplunk). |
| 18:27.16 | unity | valdyn, dabreegster: thank you for you help and advice |
| 18:27.24 | ootput | for those of you using sid, and receiving daily cron email reports, does the following occur often? mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man3x/Xau.3x: No such file or directory |
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| 18:27.41 | sid | thanks kronoz |
| 18:27.47 | ootput | and other ~man/* files |
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| 18:28.16 | valdyn | ootput: that's probably broken symlinks there, you can remove those dead symlinks to avoid those errors |
| 18:28.35 | ootput | k |
| 18:28.54 | lepton | unity: this tar, was it writing a large tar file? |
| 18:29.21 | valdyn | ootput: i suspect this is due to errors in debian packages providing those manpages, but no big deal anyway |
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| 18:29.57 | FuelB | Where does apt-get find which architecture to use, I want to switch architecture |
| 18:30.07 | valdyn | FuelB: haha |
| 18:30.10 | valdyn | FuelB: forget it |
| 18:30.16 | unity | lepton: it was untarring a large file |
| 18:30.20 | valdyn | FuelB: what are you really trying to do? |
| 18:30.45 | lepton | unity: so you ran a command that wrote a lot to disk, and your disk LED lit up. sounds normal to me. |
| 18:30.47 | FuelB | I have installed amd 64bit version, but I want to switch to 32bit and do an apt-get dist-upgrade to change all packages to 32bit versions |
| 18:30.54 | valdyn | unity: this is certainly a bug of some kind with your storage driver or hardware, but obviously it fixed itself |
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| 18:31.14 | unity | lepton: but after a while, it stopped untarring, became defunct, and crashed the terminal it was running in |
| 18:32.25 | valdyn | FuelB: that does not work |
| 18:32.47 | unity | valdyn: yeah, the hard disk is about 6 years old, so that is very possible |
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| 18:34.22 | Solskogen | isnt dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg supposed to come up with a make.conf? |
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| 18:34.29 | Solskogen | eh, xorg.conf |
| 18:34.37 | FuelB | valdyn: so the only way is to reinstall? |
| 18:35.19 | ma3x | stew, I don't have .Xresources file, and man X displays See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available. |
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| 18:35.54 | mfrisch | FuelB, are you dealing with the amd probs too? |
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| 18:36.00 | stew | ma3x: yeah manpages are missing from etch/sid for X. google for .Xresources and xrdb then |
| 18:37.11 | FuelB | mfrisch: several programs that worked fine when I ran 32bit version now either uses much more CPU or crashes much more often, this didn't happen before so I'm guessing not everything handles 64bit well yet |
| 18:38.19 | beered | How can I turn on pixel smoothing (for fonts) in testing? |
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| 18:39.16 | mfrisch | FuelB, I cannot even do a full install the kernel with sarge is too old for my keyboard and sid won't install. I needed to search to find a mirror that even had the packages file. |
| 18:39.36 | Ze_M | how usb storages devices are mounted in debian? |
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| 18:39.52 | unity | does anyone know how to find which process is using up all the disk access? |
| 18:40.02 | blondie | using it up? |
| 18:40.08 | beered | Is it possible to apt-get FreeType 2 fonts? (diff from FreeType) |
| 18:40.21 | unity | Ze_M: i think: "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mount/point" |
| 18:40.28 | mfrisch | FuelB, I think its more a dependencies problem than it not "working" in 64 bit |
| 18:40.36 | unity | blondie: under top, i have 92% wa |
| 18:40.54 | Ze_M | unity: yes but thats namually, im asking about detecting and mounting usb storage devices, does use hal with pmount? |
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| 18:42.17 | jjazz | 9~9^9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~9~ |
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| 18:43.03 | abrotman | jjazz: get your cat off the keyboard! |
| 18:43.16 | Erudified | get your keyboard out of my pants! |
| 18:43.25 | dabreegster | abrotman: It might be a spider he's trying to catch |
| 18:43.25 | abrotman | like that would hit any keys |
| 18:43.42 | jjazz | abrotman: It wasn't my cat. It's this new usb keyboard. It does odd things. Gonna return it. |
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| 18:45.26 | abrotman | jjazz: the "^" is the weird part |
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| 18:46.20 | jjazz | abrotman: Yes. Inconsistent failure modes! |
| 18:46.52 | krassy1809 | i have installed nvidia driver using nvidia installer :( , and i need to change kernel interfaces . Need i do that if i simpy install newest kernel-image ? |
| 18:46.54 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:48.10 | blondie | mewmewmew |
| 18:48.26 | srinath_man | mfrisch: thanks anyway |
| 18:48.32 | srinath_man | Does anybody know how can I get a horizantal scrollbar on a terminal ? I don't want the lines to be wrapped ... |
| 18:48.43 | beered | Is there a way to make thunderbird send emails in HTML by default? Right now I get a window with 3 options (HTML, text, both). |
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| 18:50.01 | sid | I have 14 RSS feeds in firefox, and they're taking up too much space and getting annoying. What is a good rss feed reader to use? |
| 18:50.04 | amphi | beered: I hope not |
| 18:50.09 | jel | sid: akregator |
| 18:50.10 | docta_v | sid: sage |
| 18:50.29 | jjazz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:50.40 | kyncani | krassy1809: reinstall using module-assistant ? |
| 18:51.22 | jel | does anyone know where zope's archgenxml command is in debian? Doesn't seem to be in the package lists, but afaik, it's vital |
| 18:51.56 | abrotman | beered: ask on irc.mozilla.org |
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| 18:52.20 | lazzarello | how do I set a user's nofile value to unlimited in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 18:52.35 | phummer | Hey, debating a new MacBook, just 'cause I'd like to play with a Mac... Do the new ones work with the x86 set of packages? |
| 18:52.51 | lazzarello | phummer, yes |
| 18:53.11 | lazzarello | but you might want to use virtualization instead. apple's video drivers are wonky from what I read |
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| 18:53.23 | jjazz | beered: html mail makes it harder for recipients to read and view your email. It also makes it harder to run filters and test for spam. If you're not actually marking up your emails, theres no reason to use html mail and you should avoid it. |
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| 18:54.15 | phummer | lazzarello, you got one? |
| 18:54.17 | abrotman | html mail is for managers and weenies |
| 18:54.27 | krassy1809 | kyncani:i don`t need to reinstall , i want to install newer kernel - will the newer kernel copy interfaces and modules from oldest ? |
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| 18:54.51 | lazzarello | phummer, yes, two days ago. already have three OSes on it via Parallels. |
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| 18:55.18 | lazzarello | runs very well considering the limited RAM and OS X's resource wastes |
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| 18:55.41 | tarzeau | shouldn't kde clean up /var/tmp/kdecache-USERNAME ? |
| 18:55.57 | lazzarello | though I installed Ubuntu not Debian |
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| 18:56.33 | sid | !tell lazzarello about ubuntu |
| 18:56.41 | lazzarello | oh shut up sid |
| 18:56.49 | lazzarello | I know the keyword is forbidden here |
| 18:56.51 | FuelB | !tell me about ubuntu |
| 18:56.59 | sid | !tell FuelB about msgdpkg |
| 18:57.02 | sid | FuelB: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 18:57.03 | lazzarello | if it'll make you feel better I have sarge on 23 servers |
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| 18:57.16 | lazzarello | going up the 25 soon |
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| 18:58.17 | phummer | lazzarello, What do you mean by Parrallels? |
| 18:58.38 | lazzarello | phummer, http://www.parallels.com/ |
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| 18:58.47 | lazzarello | has direct CPU core access |
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| 18:59.25 | [KillerB] | I am trying to install the madwifi kernel modules. problem is that when I use m-a it depends on linux-image-2.6.16-gentoo-r7. that kernel was never installed through dpkg since I just compilled it on another system and copyed to this system. I have the /usr/src/linux pointing to the kernel sources. how do i make my system of that kernel? |
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| 18:59.48 | ma3x | stew, are you still there? |
| 18:59.49 | phummer | lazzarello, So you've got debian in a VM? I want to use the hardware. |
| 19:00.00 | lazzarello | phummer, that's the point, you can use the hardware. |
| 19:00.13 | lazzarello | or are you talking about the camera and motion sensor? |
| 19:00.41 | phummer | lazzarello, Don't want it in a VM though. I have no use for other OSes. |
| 19:01.40 | lazzarello | phummer, that's cool. I don't either. GNU/Linux is the primary but it's easier to get good power management/wifi/motion sensor access leaving the host OS as it is. |
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| 19:02.03 | lazzarello | OS X is total shit for hard disk efficiency. 11 gigs on a new system. |
| 19:02.10 | blobaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.15 | lleoneye | hmmm hello all im going to rent a dedicated server with debian 3.1r2 and ssh and want to know if its possible to install vnc server and start gnome to remote controll the server with gui? |
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| 19:02.29 | blobaugh | yes it is but why would you do that? |
| 19:02.36 | lazzarello | lleoneye, sure. but you'll be spending too much time for nothing |
| 19:02.43 | lleoneye | more comfortable |
| 19:02.50 | ma3x | how do I maximize xterm on the launch? it always starts with half small window |
| 19:02.51 | lazzarello | lleoneye, use windows |
| 19:02.53 | blobaugh | lleoneye: learn how to use the console |
| 19:02.57 | Ronin | lleoneye: not worth it really, must learn to use console |
| 19:02.59 | blobaugh | you will be better and faster |
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| 19:03.31 | lleoneye | hmmm |
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| 19:03.43 | cahoot | ma3x: could try something like: XTerm*geometry: 100x50 in .Xdefaults |
| 19:04.15 | ma3x | cahoot, which fg and bg color is best for you? |
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| 19:04.22 | AoA | how to generate checksum of some file ? |
| 19:04.30 | phummer | lazzarello, So you've got OS X as the host os and Debian as a Guest? |
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| 19:04.34 | lazzarello | AoA, md5sum <filename> |
| 19:04.40 | cahoot | ma3x: black on white is ergonomically best |
| 19:04.44 | lleoneye | its possible to run that app midnight commander over ssh? |
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| 19:04.58 | jjazz | lleoneye: yes |
| 19:04.59 | lazzarello | phummer, Debian + Ubuntu + Windows XP as guest. Ubuntu is primary |
| 19:05.04 | lazzarello | OS X as host OS |
| 19:05.15 | lleoneye | ahh fine |
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| 19:05.17 | beered | When I start OO I get an error Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file |
| 19:05.23 | beered | how do I fix this? |
| 19:05.26 | lleoneye | then i dont need gnome |
| 19:05.27 | lazzarello | so I "use" the computer with Ubuntu, build packages for servers with Debian and test cross-platform stuff with windows and os x |
| 19:05.39 | ma3x | cahoot, what means ergonomically? best for the eyes? |
| 19:05.50 | lleoneye | midnight commander would be enough |
| 19:05.51 | cahoot | ma3x: right |
| 19:05.58 | phummer | lazzarello, I'll keep googling. Would like Debian native. |
| 19:06.03 | ma3x | cahoot, black foreground, white bg, right? |
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| 19:06.08 | lazzarello | from gnome to mc in 5 minutes flat! |
| 19:06.16 | cahoot | ma3x: right |
| 19:06.30 | dabreegster | Black bg, green fg! |
| 19:06.37 | lazzarello | phummer, you should blog about it if you buy one, I'd be curious if you can get at all the hardware |
| 19:06.49 | beered | ma3x: research shows that white bg is not good for your eyes. |
| 19:07.23 | ma3x | beered, which one is good then, black? |
| 19:07.26 | beered | ma3x: white bg, black fg is preffered. |
| 19:07.29 | cahoot | beered: got ny reference? |
| 19:07.32 | phummer | lazzarello, Yeah, I try and do a good job documenting this all. |
| 19:07.35 | beered | cahoot: google for it. |
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| 19:07.50 | cahoot | <beered> ma3x: research shows that white bg is not good for your eyes. |
| 19:07.52 | cahoot | huh? |
| 19:07.54 | ma3x | lol |
| 19:07.56 | ma3x | he makes no sense |
| 19:08.01 | lazzarello | phummer, I wanted native GNU/Linux too but when I read about parallels I was sold. |
| 19:08.09 | abrotman | half of you don't make sense |
| 19:08.15 | ma3x | cahoot, what font size you use? |
| 19:08.16 | beered | black background, white letters... ok? |
| 19:08.21 | Ronin | abrotman: only half? |
| 19:08.21 | abrotman | it's only through the magic of beer that i can converse with you guys |
| 19:08.25 | lleoneye | ok let me setup vmware and install debian to play around before i order the dedicated server |
| 19:08.31 | lazzarello | !beer |
| 19:08.31 | lleoneye | thx |
| 19:08.31 | dpkg | hmm... beer is liquid gold mate |
| 19:08.32 | ma3x | cahoot, I want to make the font size like in Konsole, but I dont know which size |
| 19:08.42 | cahoot | beered: that's definitely worst |
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| 19:09.01 | beered | cahoot: for you personaly you mean? |
| 19:09.05 | dabreegster | cahoot: Green letters are pretty easy on a black background |
| 19:09.11 | abrotman | ORANGE! |
| 19:09.17 | cahoot | beered: that's actually studied |
| 19:09.23 | beered | cahoot: I know that. |
| 19:09.30 | stew | are we really arguing about what colors are best? cmon |
| 19:09.37 | abrotman | stew: like you don't have a preference! |
| 19:09.39 | beered | cahoot: and the research shows that white letters on black background is better for your eyes. |
| 19:09.42 | deadcat | bg rgb:30/34/30 fg grey.. |
| 19:09.46 | deadcat | thats nice |
| 19:09.56 | lazzarello | research says I'm blind anyway so who cares? |
| 19:10.00 | beered | abrotman: oh, you are going patriotic on us. |
| 19:10.07 | abrotman | beered: red sox! |
| 19:10.09 | beered | lazzarello: good point. |
| 19:10.23 | Youpi | deadcat: how to select a 90/60/90 deepth ? |
| 19:10.34 | sng | abrotman: You suck!! |
| 19:10.39 | dabreegster | abrotman: No good orange on console. There's either bright yellow or really dark orange. No normal. |
| 19:10.44 | deadcat | Youpi: what you mean select? |
| 19:11.01 | Youpi | taking in hand |
| 19:11.13 | deadcat | Youpi: for what? |
| 19:11.18 | Youpi | girls |
| 19:11.36 | deadcat | Youpi: what the fuck are you talking about? |
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| 19:11.37 | ma3x | :p |
| 19:11.38 | beered | omg! Firefox changed menu fonts to currier. What gives? |
| 19:11.41 | abrotman | sng: i can't help it .. i like beer |
| 19:11.59 | sng | abrotman: So do I. And.... |
| 19:12.05 | sng | Oh wait I suck also. |
| 19:12.10 | sng | Yay! |
| 19:12.14 | Youpi | deadcat: thanks :) |
| 19:12.16 | abrotman | so happy together! |
| 19:12.40 | beered | how do I change 'system font'? All of my app menus are in currier. |
| 19:13.00 | deadcat | beered: gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 19:13.55 | beered | deadcat: what is that? apt-cache search yields no results. |
| 19:14.10 | deadcat | beered: its a file in your home dir ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 19:14.15 | beered | oh |
| 19:14.16 | beered | :) |
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| 19:14.47 | beered | there is nothing in that file. |
| 19:14.54 | deadcat | beered: so create it |
| 19:15.18 | beered | deadcat: isn't that auto created by gtp-theme-switch? |
| 19:15.22 | deadcat | beered: theres a software called gtk-theme-switch, install that |
| 19:15.39 | deadcat | beered: yes. but that doesnt mean you cant edit the file. |
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| 19:16.02 | beered | deadcat: do I have to restart to see the changes? |
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| 19:16.28 | deadcat | beered: restart X. or just restart the app |
| 19:16.43 | meriad | ipso faso |
| 19:17.48 | fbn | hi, I'm using spamassassin on debian/testing and in the mail headers I have tests=[none], how can I enable the spam tests? |
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| 19:18.22 | beered | deadcat: nothing. I still get currier in firefox and thunderbird menus. |
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| 19:18.51 | deadcat | beered: pastebin your .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 19:19.19 | beered | deadcat: there are just two lines in there. include "/usr/share/themes/Amaranth/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" |
| 19:19.25 | beered | and include "/home/me/.gtkrc-2.0.mine" |
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| 19:19.59 | deadcat | beered: try adding this: gtk-font-name = "scan 9" and just restart firefox |
| 19:20.51 | beered | deadcat: still currier |
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| 19:21.18 | stew | indian curry is currier than english curry |
| 19:21.18 | deadcat | beered: you talking about the File Edit View Go text or the content of the pages? |
| 19:21.34 | beered | deadcat: the menus (File, Edit etc.) |
| 19:21.39 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Lies. |
| 19:21.44 | stoned | lol |
| 19:21.47 | stoned | what? |
| 19:21.54 | beered | deadcat: abiword is fine though. It's just firefox, thunderbird etc. that have this problem. |
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| 19:22.38 | deadcat | beered: could be a firefox/mozilla thing then. i had problems with it before as well. dont remember how it was fixed.. |
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| 19:23.03 | stoned | what is english curry |
| 19:23.06 | signuts | What does it mean when a packge has no installation canidate. I am attempting to install thunar and it says it's not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:23.22 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: Indian curry made by Bangladeshi people. |
| 19:23.24 | srinath_man | Does anybody know how can I get a horizantal scrollbar on a terminal ? I don't want the lines to be wrapped ... |
| 19:23.32 | deadcat | signuts: you on testing or unstable? |
| 19:23.37 | signuts | testing |
| 19:23.41 | stoned | I don't think so |
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| 19:23.50 | signuts | deadcat, testing |
| 19:23.56 | stoned | I'm indian, I think I know about curry more than non-indians |
| 19:23.58 | stoned | :D |
| 19:24.00 | signuts | deadcat, I was wondering if I could mix the two somehow :) |
| 19:24.09 | deadcat | signuts: thunar just changed some lib requirement to thunar so you might have to wait few days or so |
| 19:24.26 | signuts | deadcat, ahh |
| 19:24.31 | deadcat | signuts: you can try to add an unstable to your sources.list and -t unstable when you apt-get |
| 19:24.31 | signuts | deadcat, gotcha |
| 19:24.55 | ma3x | how do I enable a scrollbar in xterm? |
| 19:25.01 | signuts | deadcat, the comment it out right? cause if I do apt-get upgrade it' |
| 19:25.09 | signuts | deadcat, it'll upgrade my system to unstable correct? |
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| 19:25.12 | deadcat | stoned: you casino indian or 7-11? (= |
| 19:25.23 | stoned | ma3x, specify it in ~/.Xresources and then xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources |
| 19:25.24 | stoned | etc. |
| 19:25.34 | stoned | ma3x, man xterm for resources |
| 19:25.35 | deadcat | signuts: no. just get thunar from unstable. everything will still be testing |
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| 19:25.45 | stoned | 711 |
| 19:25.48 | deadcat | ah |
| 19:25.51 | freakazoid0223 | lol |
| 19:26.09 | stoned | what? its a normal stereo type, and mostly true too |
| 19:26.14 | deadcat | stoned: i heard that from a stand-up comedian (= |
| 19:26.19 | stoned | and I actually do work at a convenient store |
| 19:26.30 | ma3x | stoned, after I specify it in .Xresources should I restart X? |
| 19:26.32 | stoned | ironically enough |
| 19:26.39 | deadcat | ma3x: read what he typed. damn |
| 19:26.45 | stoned | ma3x, no. I told you what to do |
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| 19:26.58 | ma3x | alright dont yell at me |
| 19:27.04 | sander | hi.. I got a problem with the sound when i'm using the flashplugin and playing movies from youtube.. the sound is very bright.. |
| 19:27.15 | deadcat | ma3x: what makes you think i was yelling? |
| 19:27.15 | ma3x | but he didn't tell me what to specify for the scrollbar |
| 19:27.19 | supaman | hi, Im using unstable and when I try to update my kernel (using 2.6.12 trying to upgrade to 2.6.16) then apt-get install linux-image-2.6.686 gives an error "yaird error: bad value in /boot/config-2.6.16-2-686" .. anything I can do to get around this error? |
| 19:27.22 | signuts | sander, and the picture is very loud? |
| 19:27.26 | ma3x | deadcat, 'damn |
| 19:27.36 | signuts | sander, =) sorry couldnt' resist |
| 19:27.38 | deadcat | ma3x: man xterm, didnt you get the memo? |
| 19:27.38 | stoned | ma3x, man xterm /scrollbar |
| 19:27.42 | stoned | ma3x, learn to use your head mate |
| 19:28.14 | ma3x | thanks |
| 19:28.15 | poopybutt | ok so im trying to delete a music folder on my desktop but for some reason it requires root permission... when i try and do chmod 777 (filename) i type the first two letters but it wont auto complete with tab even though there is nothing else with those letters in that folder. there is a space in the folder name so maybe that has something to do with it |
| 19:28.19 | sander | signuts, hehe.. I mean.. "high sound".. just like a child talking |
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| 19:28.39 | poopybutt | what am i doing wrong? |
| 19:29.10 | stoned | poopybutt, ls -l and look at the owner/group and file perms |
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| 19:29.36 | signuts | poopybutt, su up and rm -rf it if ya know waht you're doing. |
| 19:29.56 | poopybutt | ok thanks |
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| 19:30.15 | sander | signuts, high pitched sound.. |
| 19:30.29 | sander | i'm using firefox with debian etch |
| 19:30.36 | supaman | poopybutt: whatever you do dont do sudo rm -rf / musicfolder ... |
| 19:30.40 | sirius | With the 180 CD I downloaded when i try to do the net install it takes FOREVER like 20 min each time it trys to either partition the scan the IDE/sata drives ??? Any suggestions i havent been able to make it through cause it keeps freezing, im running amd64 with gig of ram trying to install i386 |
| 19:30.47 | poopybutt | yeah i got that |
| 19:31.05 | sirius | partition or scan * |
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| 19:32.06 | sander | anyone have the sound working in firefox with a flashplugin? |
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| 19:32.18 | supaman | sander: sure |
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| 19:32.21 | Craigevil | sound works fine with flash |
| 19:33.31 | sander | supaman, which plugin do you use?.. wondring why I get high pitched sound.. |
| 19:33.42 | poopybutt | is there a way to change the permission of everyhing in a folder such as subfolders and files at one time |
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| 19:33.56 | deadcat | poopybutt: man chmod |
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| 19:34.29 | dabreegster | poopybutt: -R is recursive |
| 19:34.31 | stoned | chmod -R XXX blah/ |
| 19:34.33 | deadcat | poopybutt: what does /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 19:35.08 | supaman | sander: wait a moment, Ill check |
| 19:35.12 | roler | anyone have debian running on an Intel 945GM chipset or Intel 950GMA video card? Xorg 7.0 performance is lacking, 6.9 was fast.. Just wondering if there are any tricks |
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| 19:35.47 | poopybutt | im using sid |
| 19:36.06 | poopybutt | testing/unstable is what the file says though |
| 19:36.07 | deadcat | poopybutt: and you dont know how to chmod? damn thats fucked up |
| 19:36.17 | poopybutt | im using kanotix actually |
| 19:36.27 | deadcat | ah. i knew something was up!!! |
| 19:36.28 | poopybutt | but they werent helpful in their channel |
| 19:36.44 | poopybutt | no its this stupid program picard (musicbrainz) |
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| 19:37.07 | poopybutt | for some reason when it edits tags and stores the new song file it requires it to have root permission to do anything with it |
| 19:37.28 | signuts | How do you know if you're running stable/testing/unstable ? |
| 19:37.38 | poopybutt | ive just startd using linux like 3 days ago |
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| 19:37.43 | deadcat | signuts: check your sources.list |
| 19:37.46 | Craigevil | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:37.51 | dondelelcaro | signuts: cat /etc/debian_version; apt-cache policy libc6; |
| 19:37.54 | Craigevil | will show you the version your using |
| 19:38.04 | larrikin | how can the DRM work without root access.. |
| 19:38.04 | signuts | well I started out on stable, added testing into the sources.list, did an update and upgrade |
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| 19:38.26 | sander | supaman, ok.. thx |
| 19:38.29 | deadcat | debian_version dont tell me shit. it says "ubuntu" |
| 19:38.42 | Craigevil | your running ubuntu? |
| 19:38.44 | deadcat | no |
| 19:38.54 | poopybutt | you can also try infobash -v |
| 19:39.08 | signuts | hmm.. well I have libc6 2.3.6-7 |
| 19:39.08 | poopybutt | that might show what version you have depending on distro |
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| 19:39.16 | Youpi | have you ever tryed use or seing the ubuntu distro or logo ? |
| 19:39.25 | pinkwerks | Do i need to run a font server xfs/xfstt with xorg for my desktop machine? |
| 19:39.30 | dondelelcaro | pinkwerks: no |
| 19:39.35 | deadcat | pinkwerks: no |
| 19:39.36 | junix|work | is there a backport of ntop-3.2 for sarge anywhere |
| 19:39.51 | deadcat | junix|work: try backports.org |
| 19:39.54 | signuts | I have both stable and testing in my sources.list which I wonder how I tell it what distribution i'd like to use |
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| 19:40.08 | dondelelcaro | signuts: you're using testing. |
| 19:40.15 | Craigevil | apt preferences |
| 19:40.54 | supaman | damn ... how does one find out what version of flashplugin firefox is using?? |
| 19:41.04 | supaman | :) |
| 19:41.07 | deadcat | if you dont know. you probably dont need to know |
| 19:41.18 | Craigevil | about:plugins in the url bar of firefox |
| 19:41.19 | supaman | deadcat: well, sanders was asking ... :) |
| 19:41.26 | supaman | thanks Craigevil |
| 19:41.39 | deadcat | supaman: he doesnt need to know (= |
| 19:41.40 | signuts | dondelelcaro, hmm. I am reading the man apt.conf and the manual at the same time. The manual says to put " APT::Default-Release "version"; " into apt.conf but I dont' see anything about taht in the man pages. |
| 19:42.04 | supaman | sander: I have version 7.0 r25 |
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| 19:42.13 | poopybutt | damn why are you guys being all hostile about people trying to learn things they dont know |
| 19:42.22 | poopybutt | some people are knew and want to learn as much as possible |
| 19:42.26 | supaman | poopybutt: its the debian way :) |
| 19:42.32 | deadcat | poopybutt: you are on kanotix (= |
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| 19:42.36 | Craigevil | Flash 7.0 r63 is the newest that you can download from repos |
| 19:42.52 | sepski | poopybutt, we have a reputation on slashdot to uphold. |
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| 19:43.03 | Craigevil | kanotix is debian unlike ubuntu |
| 19:43.16 | deadcat | Craigevil: so why is it called kanotix? |
| 19:43.33 | Craigevil | once its installed it is a working Debian unstable system |
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| 19:43.57 | eidolon | hey folks, anyone had a problem with Debian-based distros (i'm running etch here) suddenly changing keyboard configs? like, i have a microsoft natural 4000 keyboard (love it), and suddenly, 6 of my function keys are not working at all. 'xev' shows -nothing- for those keys, and for the ones that are 'working' (generate keyboard events), the events are wrong. |
| 19:44.13 | eidolon | all other keys on the keyboard are working (i'm typing on it). but i can't do 'control-f1' to get to desktop 1 or anything. |
| 19:44.24 | eidolon | i've tried powering down, disconnecting, rebooting, everything. something 'changed' |
| 19:44.28 | Techdeck | Hey, does anyone know if it is possible to block using iptables any host other than a certain kind of ending? for instance, I want to block any other domains except .co.uk to be accessiable.. is it even possible? |
| 19:44.36 | eidolon | i'd say it was a keyboard failure, but i've replaced this keyboard once for the -exact- same problem. |
| 19:44.51 | Techdeck | I mean, I just want to be able to use .co.uk domains |
| 19:45.02 | Techdeck | on every ports, not just 80 |
| 19:45.04 | deadcat | Techdeck: /etc/hosts.deny and hosts.allow? |
| 19:45.22 | Techdeck | deadcat, hmmm, mind giving me an example? |
| 19:45.28 | deadcat | Techdeck: man them |
| 19:45.30 | Techdeck | but I need to really block it |
| 19:45.34 | Techdeck | from every service |
| 19:45.47 | deadcat | so man them |
| 19:45.50 | signuts | Techdeck, block to/from what? |
| 19:45.51 | deadcat | ALL |
| 19:45.53 | Techdeck | I remember hosts.deny doesn't block fully |
| 19:46.08 | supaman | deadcat: that doesnt deny allow everything ... only the programs that are made to use some specific way of transfering internet traffic (dont remember which) |
| 19:46.13 | Techdeck | signuts, everything, I only want .co.uk domains to be accessible through a machine. through every service |
| 19:46.14 | Craigevil | Squid might be a better optin |
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| 19:46.21 | Techdeck | if it's ssh, http, ftp, whatever |
| 19:46.34 | deadcat | supaman: i dont know |
| 19:46.42 | Techdeck | and also, I need this to be more than just for one system |
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| 19:46.51 | Techdeck | I need this to be like a gateway for a couple of computers |
| 19:46.54 | Techdeck | thats why I thought about iptables |
| 19:47.14 | Techdeck | and I mean for outgoing connections, not incoming |
| 19:47.26 | signuts | Techdeck, well route all users to a specific DNS server and block all other dns requests and have the DNS server do it. iptables isn't designed to do that |
| 19:47.28 | Techdeck | like, I don't want users on my network to be able to go to google.com, only google.co.uk |
| 19:47.57 | Techdeck | signuts, hmmm, that sounds like a good idea, any ideas on how will I do that? |
| 19:48.19 | deadcat | Techdeck: ohhhhh |
| 19:48.22 | Techdeck | signuts, but then they will be able to use the IPs ... |
| 19:48.28 | Techdeck | it's kinda tricky |
| 19:48.35 | Techdeck | I'm not sure it's possible, just wondering |
| 19:48.43 | deadcat | Techdeck: just tell them "dont go to google.com" |
| 19:48.54 | Techdeck | deadcat, lol, I wish it was that simple :P |
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| 19:49.42 | Techdeck | I could just download all co.uk domains to that comp and make an internal network, but thats way too resourcy |
| 19:49.52 | signuts | Techdeck, well for the level of traffic filterijng you're requesting you should just assume run a squid proxy |
| 19:49.57 | deadcat | Techdeck: maybe setting up a proxy? |
| 19:50.09 | Techdeck | hmmm, not a bad idea either |
| 19:50.16 | sirius | I am trying to install i386 debian with the net disc install (180mb one), I have amd64 cpu and 1 gig of ram and 2 HD's one ide and one sata, when i start the installer it takes for ever on the hd scan and the partition part, i have not made it through the install yet any suggestions ? |
| 19:50.16 | Techdeck | okay thanks, I'll look into it |
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| 19:55.37 | ZeNN | everytime i run apt-get install <package> it automatically install a already installed kernel image (deb) .. i don't want Debian to do that .. how ? |
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| 19:57.32 | tuv | is the xchat-dbus plugin available in debian? and how do i activate it? |
| 19:58.18 | beered | How can I fix this error "Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file |
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| 19:59.16 | sirius | --> When ever i try to update or install a package with apt-get it says couldent find package, does anyone know of a good guide for getting more repositories |
| 19:59.33 | sid | sirius: What are you trying to install? |
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| 19:59.37 | sirius | xorg |
| 19:59.44 | ZeNN | siruys: change stable into testing |
| 19:59.50 | sid | apt-get install xserver-xorg x-window-system-core |
| 20:00.05 | sid | sirius: o yea, what version of Debian GNU / Linux are you using? |
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| 20:00.23 | sirius | i tried installing defualt from the cd but that wont work so i did the linux26 install |
| 20:00.32 | sirius | i have like no packages |
| 20:00.38 | sid | sirius: What does cat /etc/debian_version show you? |
| 20:00.43 | sirius | sec |
| 20:01.17 | sirius | 3.1 |
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| 20:01.23 | ZeNN | he's installing from the cd, let him install from ftp/http... through apt-setup |
| 20:01.32 | ZeNN | add another source |
| 20:01.40 | tanuki | How do I install Debian to a loopback filesystem? |
| 20:01.41 | sirius | yea thats what im trying to figure out how to do |
| 20:01.42 | sid | ok, you're using debian sarge sirius. This means you're using "stable" |
| 20:02.03 | sirius | k |
| 20:02.05 | sid | stable doesn't have xorg, as it wasn't ready in time when it was released. So it uses xfree86 |
| 20:02.07 | tarzeau | someone can run 2.4 linux kernels with sid? is there a howto? |
| 20:02.19 | streuner | heh |
| 20:03.00 | sid | sirius: Is this a desktop or a production server? |
| 20:03.00 | sirius | desktop |
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| 20:03.24 | Gnurdux | why is dist-upgrade still trying to delete tightvncserver? |
| 20:03.33 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: doesn't it tell you? |
| 20:03.40 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: tried with -u ? |
| 20:03.43 | Gnurdux | its a dependency problem |
| 20:03.49 | sid | sirius: ok, what makes sarge "stable" is that it doesn't have any software updates(not including security patches). So you have firefox 1.0.4 and xfree86 and other packages that were ready when Sarge was released. |
| 20:03.55 | Gnurdux | because it depends on a package that is being removed |
| 20:03.55 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: so it says why, doesn't it? |
| 20:04.01 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: which? |
| 20:04.04 | Gnurdux | but tarzeau the bug has been known for a while |
| 20:04.06 | sid | The next version of debian is going to be "etch", and it has newer software sirius. ie firefox 1.5, and xorg 7, etc. |
| 20:04.11 | Gnurdux | and hasn't been fixed in testing |
| 20:04.14 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: in BTS? |
| 20:04.16 | sid | sirius: Some people like to use debian etch for desktop machines. |
| 20:04.19 | Gnurdux | its been fixed in unstable but not testing |
| 20:04.24 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: use sid then? or get the fixed package from sid? |
| 20:04.31 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 20:04.34 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: testing is not fast with fixing things |
| 20:04.35 | sirius | sid: i am in command line i used the debian 180mb disc with the netinstall stuff |
| 20:04.39 | Gnurdux | i try not to use sid stuff if i can help it |
| 20:04.47 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: the stuff can be delayed 2,5,10(usually) to n days... |
| 20:04.52 | sid | sirius: Type this, "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade;" |
| 20:05.00 | sirius | sec |
| 20:05.00 | freakazoid0223 | approx when is etch supposed to go stable? |
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| 20:05.09 | sid | sirius: We'll dist-upgrade you to etch, but before we do that, we need to have sarge completely updated. |
| 20:05.13 | Gnurdux | xserver-common |
| 20:05.19 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: really i don't see your problem |
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| 20:05.31 | sid | freakazoid0223: December. |
| 20:05.37 | Gnurdux | tarzeau, are you on testing? |
| 20:05.39 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 20:05.40 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:05.40 | freakazoid0223 | thx |
| 20:05.42 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: i'd never use testing |
| 20:05.44 | stew | sid: why do you think he should use etch? |
| 20:05.47 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: i'm on stable, and i'm on sid |
| 20:05.51 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 20:05.54 | stew | sirius: why do you want xorg instead of xfree? |
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| 20:06.03 | sid | stew: Because that's what he probably wants. |
| 20:06.05 | sid | he could use backports |
| 20:06.06 | tanuki | When is Debian Nesbit coming out? |
| 20:06.12 | tanuki | :-P |
| 20:06.40 | tarzeau | tanuki: nesbit is what in toy story? |
| 20:06.43 | sid | stew: He's on a desktop machine. Not a production server. If it was a production server I would say use backports. |
| 20:07.05 | sirius | stew i dont have any windows system on there right now |
| 20:07.15 | stew | sirius: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 20:07.17 | sirius | sid: says 0 updated lol |
| 20:07.25 | tanuki | tarzeau: Buzz in drag. |
| 20:07.29 | tarzeau | tanuki: hahaha When Buzz gets wacky at the "tea party" he calls himself Mrs. Nesbit |
| 20:07.34 | LinuxHelp | How can I downgrade udev using apt-get? |
| 20:07.39 | sid | sirius: You can use XFree86, and have X installed. But your softwares will be slightly old. |
| 20:07.42 | Gnurdux | LinuxHelp, you can't |
| 20:07.49 | tanuki | tarzeau: Rather, Sid's sister calls him that. |
| 20:07.58 | LinuxHelp | how unfortunate |
| 20:08.10 | sid | sirius: Do you want to use xfree86 and other slightly old software.(you can possibly use something called backports to get "some" newer software). Or do you want to upgrade to etch sirius? |
| 20:08.18 | ZeNN | sid: he're a question for you, in apt-get <package> it continiously asks for installing an old package with had errors installing... how does one remove such a package from apt |
| 20:08.23 | sirius | sid: stch |
| 20:08.39 | sid | ZeNN: apt-get remove package? |
| 20:08.39 | stew | sid: if you don't know what a user really wants or what the level of experience is, please don't just blidly tell them to move to testing |
| 20:08.40 | sirius | sid: but i just tryed that apt-get dist upgrade and its not finding anything new |
| 20:08.55 | Gnurdux | sarge is a year old now isn't it? |
| 20:08.55 | stew | sirius: it wouldn't you already have the latest |
| 20:08.58 | sid | sirius: right. That was the goal. That is good. |
| 20:09.00 | LinuxHelp | okay, debian stable, wheres a good tutorial to get NTFS working? |
| 20:09.06 | sirius | sid: o |
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| 20:09.16 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: yes? |
| 20:09.19 | ZeNN | sid: no package is installed, but it had an error running apt.... i thing apt thinks it is not succesfully installed but it is |
| 20:09.32 | abrotman | if apt says it isn't .. it probably isn't |
| 20:09.38 | abrotman | !tell LinuxHelp about ntfsro |
| 20:09.40 | ZeNN | every time i run apt-get install <package> it want to upgrade that package as well.... in a loop |
| 20:10.07 | stew | ZeNN: show us the actuall command you are typing and the actual output, use a pastebin /msg dpkg paster |
| 20:11.11 | ZeNN | ok, it's a kernel image i compile through make-kpkg and installed it through dpkg -i |
| 20:11.19 | ZeNN | had an error but it works fine... |
| 20:11.43 | ZeNN | when running apt-get install snmpd i've got the following error |
| 20:12.07 | stew | ZeNN: use a pastebin |
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| 20:12.18 | ZeNN | k moment |
| 20:12.20 | sirius | sid: so i have etch ? |
| 20:12.21 | sid | sirius: apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xfree86 gnome (If you want to stay with sarge and have a gui and all that shit) |
| 20:12.25 | sid | sirius: no you have sarge |
| 20:12.28 | sid | sirius: Do you want etch? |
| 20:12.33 | sid | sirius: You have to make a decision. |
| 20:12.36 | sirius | sid: yea |
| 20:12.38 | sid | ok |
| 20:12.46 | sid | sirius: You need to edit your sources.list |
| 20:12.52 | sid | sirius: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:12.55 | sirius | sid: ok sec |
| 20:12.57 | deadcat | sid: slow down!!! |
| 20:12.58 | stew | sirius: you want testing? why? |
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| 20:13.10 | sid | sirius: Change all instances of "sarge" or "stable" to "etch" or "testing" |
| 20:13.10 | sirius | stew: why not |
| 20:13.19 | stew | sirius: becuase it is often broken |
| 20:13.32 | ZeNN | yep, see my problem |
| 20:13.34 | ZeNN | ;) |
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| 20:13.44 | sid | stew: What version of debian are you running? |
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| 20:14.02 | sirius | sid: which one are you running ? |
| 20:14.14 | sid | sirius: I'm running debian unstable.(sid) |
| 20:14.23 | stew | sid: i'm running sarge on about 20 machines sid on 3 testing on 1 and breezy on 1 |
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| 20:14.30 | xerophyte | i have 2.6.x kernel and i have 2G file limit how can i increase it |
| 20:14.39 | sid | sirius: I believe most people in here, use etch for desktop machines. And sarge for production servers. |
| 20:14.40 | stew | sid: why do you ask? |
| 20:14.50 | sirius | stew: im running dapper on another and so far havent had anyproblems |
| 20:14.51 | sid | sirius: You can use sarge for a desktop machine. But the software isn't very new. |
| 20:14.55 | LinuxHelp | *ooh ntfs files* |
| 20:15.02 | LinuxHelp | so pretty |
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| 20:15.16 | sid | There is a remedy to use sarge _and_ _some_ have new software. But it's only some. If you want all, you basically want etch. |
| 20:15.25 | deadcat | xerophyte: you said 2G file limit without telling us the FS? wtf |
| 20:15.27 | sirius | sid: ill try testin one sec gona edit sources |
| 20:15.38 | xerophyte | deadcat, ext3 |
| 20:15.44 | HelmutG | Hi. Can someone tell which packages I have to install in order to get www.google.jp readable with firefox (by some japanese guy ;-)? |
| 20:15.58 | deadcat | xerophyte: really? i use ext3 and my files are huge |
| 20:15.59 | HelmutG | (i.e. some fonts seem to be missing) |
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| 20:16.16 | dondelelcaro | signuts: that's documented in apt_preferences |
| 20:16.32 | deadcat | xerophyte: have you tried creating it via dd? or you're doing this via apache? |
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| 20:16.58 | adggg | after re-installing xp on my second partition, grub mysteriously disappeared, what's the best fix? |
| 20:17.04 | sirius | sid: lol problem no wonder i cant find anything sources.list only contains cdrom/ which i have no cdrom |
| 20:17.05 | xerophyte | deadcat, apahe |
| 20:17.14 | Gathond | xerophyte, ext3 has a limit far above 2 GB (unless perhaps if its created as an update from a really really ancient ext2), but what are you using to read/write the file |
| 20:17.18 | abrotman | sid: what stew is running is irrelevant .. you shouldn't just tell people to upgrade to etch or sid .. things break .. and if they don't have a good reason to upgrade ... don't tell them it's a good idea .. because in many cases ... it's not |
| 20:17.20 | deadcat | xerophyte: its apache. not the kernel nor ext3 |
| 20:17.24 | streuner | adggg: remove XP? |
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| 20:17.32 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 20:17.33 | dpkg | well, grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 20:17.35 | Gathond | xerophyte, you would need an apache which supports LARGE_FILE then, if such one exists |
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| 20:18.06 | adggg | abrotman, are you suggesting I make a grub image, and boot from that? |
| 20:18.09 | dondelelcaro | sid: the metric is, if you aren't willing to help them personally solve their problems every single time they come back to the channel, you shouldn't suggest that they run unstable. |
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| 20:18.49 | adggg | streuner: if you guys put BillyG out of business, I'll gladly do it. |
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| 20:19.00 | deadcat | adggg: who the fuck is billy g? |
| 20:19.04 | sirius | lol |
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| 20:19.10 | sirius | bill gates |
| 20:19.10 | streuner | B. Gates? |
| 20:19.12 | sirius | i think he ment |
| 20:19.20 | deadcat | dont we just call him bill gates? |
| 20:19.21 | abrotman | adggg: it's worked for me in the past |
| 20:19.23 | adggg | you guys are sharp tonight |
| 20:19.29 | sirius | lol |
| 20:19.41 | streuner | adggg: anyway, read the doc for grub, you'll need it. |
| 20:19.44 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: or possibly even etch .. depending on the level of the user |
| 20:19.48 | deadcat | adggg: you his bitch or something? because only his bitches call him by that name.. MAYBE |
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| 20:19.58 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: right |
| 20:20.07 | adggg | deadcat, I detest him |
| 20:20.14 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: meh? |
| 20:20.24 | sirius | sid: you still there ? |
| 20:20.25 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: nothing. |
| 20:20.28 | streuner | how is etch better than sid, i don't think there is a difference... |
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| 20:20.40 | deadcat | adggg: why? what he ever done to you? for all we know. your xp version is illegal anyway |
| 20:20.46 | abrotman | streuner: IME .. etch breaks less often .. but for longer |
| 20:20.50 | zinx | streuner: etch is two-week old sid |
| 20:20.54 | unstable | sirius: Type "apt-get update" if you get any errors let me know. |
| 20:21.01 | streuner | zinx: hehe :-) |
| 20:21.03 | sirius | unstable: lol problem no wonder i cant find anything sources.list only contains cdrom/ which i have no cdrom |
| 20:21.03 | dondelelcaro | streuner: presumably the obvious bugs are caught in sid before they reach etch; but then you knew that already. |
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| 20:21.15 | zinx | streuner: except packages with bad bugs don't get in to etch |
| 20:21.26 | zinx | streuner: at least, not if the bugs are discovered within the lag time :D |
| 20:21.29 | adggg | deadcat: you sound like a republican |
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| 20:21.41 | deadcat | adggg: i dont vote.. but thats just the truth. |
| 20:21.54 | unstable | sirius: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/HQFSB991.html |
| 20:22.11 | adggg | deadcat: well if you're looking for a fight tonight, you're meeowing up the wrong tree |
| 20:22.12 | unstable | sirius: That is probably what you want your sources.list to look like if you want etch.(that is how I would have it) |
| 20:22.13 | sirius | unstable: thanks |
| 20:22.14 | abrotman | unstable: wtf .. didn't we just have this discussion ? |
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| 20:22.26 | deadcat | adggg: the thing is. if people hate windows and bill gates so much. dont fucking use it. i hate those bitches complains all day and go home turn on their windows machine.. |
| 20:22.31 | sid | abrotman: What discussion? |
| 20:22.52 | abrotman | sid: about not recommending things to people if their not capable of resolving issues on thier own .. or if you're not going to be here 24x7 |
| 20:23.02 | adggg | deadcat: wow you are a black-and-white thinker |
| 20:23.09 | abrotman | (sidenote: i'm glad there's not another commonly used metric of time) |
| 20:23.27 | deadcat | adggg: and i hate those bitches who dual boots with linux and uses the linux partition like 1% of the time.. just so they can brag about it to their friends they have linux.. fuck'em |
| 20:23.30 | adggg | xp is considered a necessary evil by most of the world, like taxes |
| 20:23.34 | sid | abrotman: I'm not holding a gun to his head. sirius can make the decision. Most people in here are probably running etch on their desktop machines. |
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| 20:23.45 | streuner | adggg: very true :-) |
| 20:23.49 | azeem | adggg, deadcat: can you please drop the conversation now |
| 20:23.55 | sid | yes he could have a problem, he could just as easily have a problem with sarge also. etch is acceptable for what he wants. |
| 20:23.56 | deadcat | azeem: sorry. |
| 20:23.58 | beered | help, I'm lost. All menus in firefox and thunderbird are defaulting to courier font. I tried to switch themes but that didn't help. Right now I'm using default theme and it's using the same font (courier). |
| 20:24.08 | adggg | azeem: thank you for intervening! |
| 20:24.11 | deadcat | azeem: must be my stomach talking (= |
| 20:24.17 | abrotman | sid: yes .. the people who help other users ... that doesn't make it ok to recommend to someone who is fairly new to debian |
| 20:24.18 | sid | sirius: You could experience some difficulties running etch. So don't do it if you aren't sure.. |
| 20:24.34 | adggg | so I heard they got Zarqawi today |
| 20:24.44 | azeem | sirius: just /query sid with questions |
| 20:24.54 | abrotman | sirius: etch can break very badly .. somethings may not be installable .. somethings may not run at all .. it's recommended that you should run Sarge until you are familiar with Debian and how it works |
| 20:24.56 | streuner | adggg: there are many in iraq... |
| 20:24.57 | azeem | we should put that in the /topic |
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| 20:25.10 | abrotman | azeem: to query sid with questions? |
| 20:25.10 | azeem | adggg: please stay on topic |
| 20:25.15 | azeem | abrotman: yeah! |
| 20:25.22 | adggg | lol, it was a joke |
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| 20:25.36 | azeem | adggg: see how streuner didn't get it |
| 20:25.41 | sirius | abrotman: thanks for the suggestion |
| 20:25.44 | r4f0 | hi , i need to see applicactions made in java |
| 20:25.45 | sid | sirius: ok, don't run etch, use sarge. |
| 20:25.46 | streuner | politics causes headaches, real bad headaches... |
| 20:25.47 | deadcat | no one got his so called joke |
| 20:25.47 | adggg | azeem, you neither |
| 20:25.50 | sid | sirius: Type "apt-setup" |
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| 20:25.53 | r4f0 | i have installed jre |
| 20:25.56 | streuner | !politics |
| 20:25.57 | dpkg | somebody said politics was Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 20:26.03 | Zvpun | I configured kdm to use lile for reboot options. It does only display the boot options if I manuall restart kdm (/etc/init.d/kdm restart), that is only the initial run of /etc/init.d/kdm doesnt work. What could be the problem? |
| 20:26.07 | adggg | apt-get install sense-of-humor |
| 20:26.08 | r4f0 | now how can i see applications made in java? |
| 20:26.14 | r4f0 | do i need to activate it java? |
| 20:26.22 | sirius | sid: well do etch and if i have problems i can always start over lol |
| 20:26.23 | sid | sirius: I'm being instructed to not tell you to use etch. |
| 20:26.23 | abrotman | !tell r4f0 about java |
| 20:26.32 | sid | sirius: That's right you can. |
| 20:26.42 | abrotman | or get a bad impression of debian and never use it again |
| 20:26.59 | sirius | sid: one sec i checked sources and there was nothing in it i am adding some stuff that unstable gave me for etch sec |
| 20:27.12 | sid | sirius: I am unstable. |
| 20:27.32 | r4f0 | aldsdlc |
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| 20:27.43 | adggg | so I'm hearing lots of talk about LILO, how does that compare to grub? |
| 20:27.52 | r4f0 | abrotman i know about java |
| 20:27.56 | abrotman | it is a bootloader that works differently |
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| 20:28.10 | r4f0 | but my question is, do i need to activate the mozilla stuff in order to use applications made in java? |
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| 20:28.32 | adggg | will I have a better time with that one than grub? Because grub seems to have disappeared.... |
| 20:28.47 | azeem | disappeared? |
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| 20:28.55 | efaistos | hi |
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| 20:28.58 | sohmestra | adggg: grub disappeared because XP overwrote your MBR |
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| 20:29.06 | azeem | most people in the world have switched from lilo to grub by now |
| 20:29.12 | efaistos | does someone have an Epson AcuLaser C1100 printer ? |
| 20:29.13 | adggg | sohmestra: yes |
| 20:29.17 | abrotman | adggg: that's because you installed windows .. use that grub boot floppy ... boot debian .. and rerun grub-install |
| 20:29.25 | sohmestra | adggg: it has nothing to do with wether grub is "good" or not. It's all about how XP is "bad" |
| 20:29.37 | adggg | abrot, okay, I'll do that |
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| 20:29.45 | sid | azeem: Most people in the world who use GNU / Linux |
| 20:29.54 | abrotman | adggg: then you'll have to fix grub to boot windows .. after you get grub working again |
| 20:29.57 | adggg | sohmestra: yes, I figured as much |
| 20:29.59 | beered | I'm browsing the web like its 1980. Old school. All firefox menus are in courier and I can't change them back. |
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| 20:30.04 | azeem | sid: who else uses lilo? |
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| 20:30.20 | sirius | sid: how do you save in nano |
| 20:30.29 | azeem | sirius: ctrl+w |
| 20:30.29 | efaistos | I cant print with anymore ... But I used to ... |
| 20:30.36 | sid | azeem: Most people in the world don't own a computer. |
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| 20:30.41 | jjazz | efaistos: What is that, mad libs? |
| 20:30.41 | sohmestra | sirius: Ctrl-X |
| 20:30.43 | sid | sirius: control x, then his y |
| 20:30.46 | sid | s/his/hit |
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| 20:30.52 | azeem | sid: ah, you're playing word games |
| 20:31.05 | thingfish | I though it was ctrl+o |
| 20:31.10 | efaistos | jjazz: ? |
| 20:31.14 | sohmestra | sirius: or ctrl-o, if you're not done editing. |
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| 20:31.30 | azeem | thingfish: right! |
| 20:31.32 | abrotman | !jjazz++ |
| 20:31.42 | thingfish | azeem: ;) |
| 20:31.48 | sid | sirius: After that is saved, type "apt-get update" |
| 20:31.57 | sirius | sid: okay update sources now doing a apt-get update |
| 20:32.02 | itchi | I read the Software RAID howto on tldp (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html) to try to setup an software RAID1. On chapter 5.6 RAID-1, there are noted to edit the file config file '/etc/raidtab'. But i have not it. Is it normal? Someone experience with it? |
| 20:32.15 | sid | sirius: What type of cpu do you have? |
| 20:32.19 | sohmestra | itchi: sounds like it's an old howto |
| 20:32.19 | sirius | sid: amd64 |
| 20:32.32 | sid | sirius: Do you want an amd64 enviroment? |
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| 20:32.38 | sirius | sid: nope |
| 20:32.40 | abrotman | oh ... this is giong to get better and better |
| 20:32.43 | abrotman | !tell Peikko_food about away |
| 20:32.44 | sid | lol |
| 20:32.46 | efaistos | nobody has that printer ? |
| 20:32.49 | sid | sirius: ok good |
| 20:32.50 | sohmestra | itchi: raidtab is used by the old raidtools stuff |
| 20:33.24 | sid | abrotman: k7 on amd64 cpu, and a 32 bit enviroment? |
| 20:33.25 | sirius | sid: my network connection is not working on it, when i was installing net cd it never could find any http or ftp i selected and now its not able to connect to the sources |
| 20:33.32 | itchi | sohmestra: Know you an better link? Or info. I was thinking that on tldp it was good :-/ |
| 20:33.32 | adggg | abrotman: would it be possible to edit my XP boot.ini file somehow, so I can get back into debian first, and THEN reinstall GRUB? |
| 20:33.37 | abrotman | sid: k7 is not amd64 |
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| 20:33.46 | sid | I know this, but he wants a 32 bit enviroment abrotman |
| 20:33.46 | abrotman | adggg: ask google .. no idea |
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| 20:33.53 | abrotman | sid: he has one already |
| 20:33.55 | adggg | just thinking I can somehow skip the step of burning the CD |
| 20:34.10 | jjazz | adggg: No. |
| 20:34.11 | itchi | sohmestra: The old way looks simply to setup :-/ |
| 20:34.20 | sid | abrotman: yes, but I think it's best to upgrade his kernel to above 2.6.12 so udev will work properly. |
| 20:34.32 | sohmestra | itchi: mdadm is the new thingy |
| 20:34.41 | sirius | sid: you get my message ? |
| 20:34.42 | itchi | sohmestra: I have find an confif file 'mdadm.conf-example' on my system |
| 20:34.47 | abrotman | sid: YOU wanted him to do this .. you dug your own grave .. you can screw up his machine however you want .. |
| 20:34.49 | adggg | jjazz: why not? |
| 20:34.54 | deadcat | sid: not enough packages for amd64 or something? |
| 20:34.55 | sid | sirius: Type "dhclient eth0" |
| 20:34.56 | adggg | just curious why it wouldn't work |
| 20:34.58 | jjazz | adggg: Because Windows is a POS. |
| 20:35.03 | itchi | sohmestra: Yes, i have a |
| 20:35.05 | thingfish | adggg: /msg dpkg fixmbr - it's easier than it might look. |
| 20:35.11 | sid | deadcat: He wants a 64 bit enviroment. I dunno ask him why he wants that. |
| 20:35.30 | deadcat | its ok. i dont really care. |
| 20:35.33 | sid | er, he wants a 32 bit enviroment |
| 20:35.43 | itchi | sohmestra: Yes, i have already install it. That was been noted to do. I note down what to do to setup my RAID1, hope it could serve for the next one |
| 20:36.02 | tarzeau | sid: there's reasons to want a 64 bit environment |
| 20:36.07 | sid | sirius: Did "dhclient eth0" grab you an ip? |
| 20:36.10 | adggg | thingfish: thanks, that's a much easier way |
| 20:36.11 | [KillerB] | I am trying to install the madwifi kernel modules. problem is that when I use m-a it depends on linux-image-2.6.16-gentoo-r7. that kernel was never installed througi have gcc-4.0 and i needed to downgrade to 3.3 so I did apt-get --reinstall install gcc-3.3 gcc-3.3-base. that did not seem to work since whenever I do gcc --version I get 4.0. any ideea how I can downgrade for good |
| 20:36.12 | tarzeau | sid: if you need more than 4 gb continious memory for example |
| 20:36.15 | sirius | sid: its doing something lol |
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| 20:36.23 | tarzeau | and fast |
| 20:36.24 | [KillerB] | disregard last message |
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| 20:36.45 | [KillerB] | I am trying to install the madwifi kei have gcc-4.0 and i needed to downgrade to 3.3 so I did apt-get --reinstall install gcc-3.3 gcc-3.3-base. that did not seem to work since whenever I do gcc --version I get 4.0. any ideea how I can downgrade for good |
| 20:36.48 | sid | tarzeau: For someone who wants a 32 bit enviroment and has a 64 bit cpu, they should use linux-image*k7? |
| 20:36.48 | sirius | sid: said no DHCPOFFERS Recieved |
| 20:37.01 | sid | sirius: Do you have a cat5 cable plugged into your network interface card? |
| 20:37.02 | [KillerB] | this is hopless copying in kvirc sux |
| 20:37.13 | tarzeau | sid: depends if the 64 bit cpu is an amd, sparc or mips... |
| 20:37.14 | sirius | sid: i have windows on the same machine and network works fine |
| 20:37.21 | itchi | Shadowcat: That's easy to backup :-) |
| 20:37.26 | sid | tarzeau: It's amd |
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| 20:37.28 | tarzeau | sid: or alpha or... |
| 20:37.29 | Shadowcat | itchi: it's heavy like hell |
| 20:37.35 | efaistos | do you know why i get this message when trying to restart a job in cups 'client-error-not-possible' ? Everytime i try to print, evrything seems to be okay and in the completed jobs in cups i can see every printing i launched ... but nothing came out :( |
| 20:37.55 | tarzeau | sid: then yes , could also be a k8 one? |
| 20:38.00 | tarzeau | sid: but not sure if debian builds those |
| 20:38.09 | itchi | Shadowcat: But im sure it been working, it's not like the new stuff that not rocks :-/ |
| 20:38.13 | sid | tarzeau: With hyperthreading go smp? |
| 20:38.17 | tarzeau | sid: yes |
| 20:38.27 | Shadowcat | itchi: deathstar? |
| 20:38.33 | tarzeau | sid: and how much memory? |
| 20:38.39 | itchi | Shadowcat: nope |
| 20:38.43 | Shadowcat | itchi: what drive? |
| 20:38.48 | tarzeau | sid: you can build linux kernels with 1gb, 4gb and 64gb memory support |
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| 20:39.11 | itchi | Shadowcat: An HDD, my archieves HDD, wwaaaaaai, so that's crap |
| 20:39.12 | tarzeau | sid: you'll want the bigger one if you have like 800mb or 3,8gb |
| 20:39.25 | sid | sirius: How is your network setup? |
| 20:39.26 | Shadowcat | itchi: what brand/make+ |
| 20:39.29 | Shadowcat | ?* |
| 20:39.35 | [KillerB] | i have gcc-4.0 and i needed to downgrade to 3.3 so I did apt-get --reinstall install gcc-3.3 gcc-3.3-base. that did not seem to work since whenever I do gcc --version I get 4.0. any ideea how I can downgrade for good |
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| 20:39.42 | [KillerB] | finally |
| 20:39.47 | tarzeau | [KillerB]: see ls -la /usr/bin/gcc |
| 20:39.47 | sid | sirius: You have a cable modem box from Road Runner, and the cat5 wire goes from your cable modem to your machine with Debian GNU / Linux? |
| 20:39.50 | itchi | Shadowcat: Maxtor. It have live 14 months exactly |
| 20:40.19 | sohmestra | [KillerB]: try update-alternatives |
| 20:40.35 | [KillerB] | i have both now :/ 3.3 and 4.0 |
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| 20:40.41 | sirius | sid: cable box -> switch |
| 20:40.52 | itchi | Shadowcat: So i have buy 3 new HDD's and i have no more money :-( |
| 20:41.10 | sid | sirius: Do you use dhcp with windows, or you set the ip manually? |
| 20:41.18 | sirius | sid: im running ubuntu dapper fine right next to this box |
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| 20:41.28 | sirius | sid: it allows me to do both |
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| 20:41.31 | itchi | Shadowcat: 1 of 160 GB, 69 euro's and 2 of 80 GB |
| 20:41.42 | tarzeau | is this a gnu? http://sanuk.s69.ch/sanuk/FKK/FKKTiPa/TiPa23.jpg |
| 20:41.55 | sirius | sid: talking to you on ubuntu dapper |
| 20:42.01 | itchi | Shadowcat: For the 2, 96 euro's |
| 20:42.06 | adggg | Someone please I need some help. How do I have to change this command? mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target |
| 20:42.09 | adggg | ??? |
| 20:42.12 | sid | sirius: What type of network interface card is it? |
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| 20:42.20 | sirius | sid: on board |
| 20:42.29 | sirius | sid: eth |
| 20:42.29 | sid | sirius: What type of motherboard? |
| 20:42.29 | Shadowcat | itchi: I retire drives after three years of operation |
| 20:42.40 | Shadowcat | and that's not 24/7 operation |
| 20:42.43 | sid | sirius: Type "lspci" and look for the nic model number and make |
| 20:42.47 | sirius | sid: MSI k8N neo 4 |
| 20:42.49 | charzero | tarzeau: no, its a wildebeast. |
| 20:42.55 | DaBlade | tarzeau: No, that would be a bull, but I'd surely like to meet what's next to it. |
| 20:42.55 | itchi | Shadowcat: Maxtor give 3 years of warranty, so the one that are killed would be replaced, it take 1 month +- for to get it back |
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| 20:43.24 | itchi | Shadowcat: Yes, normally i do the same average, but not that last here :-( |
| 20:43.33 | Shadowcat | maxtor doesn't exist anymore |
| 20:43.34 | sid | sirius: Does that board come with two onboard nics at the same time? |
| 20:43.38 | Shadowcat | they got bought by Seagate |
| 20:43.41 | sid | sirius: Try "dhclient eth1" |
| 20:43.43 | Shadowcat | that should tell you something |
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| 20:43.53 | sirius | sid: eth controller = 3com corp |
| 20:44.04 | sid | sirius: Or just switch the cable to the other nic |
| 20:44.08 | sid | sirius: Then "dhclient eth0" |
| 20:44.08 | itchi | Shadowcat: And the Western digital, are these also a bit better, personaly i think |
| 20:44.12 | sohmestra | sirius: model number? |
| 20:44.20 | Shadowcat | wd hah |
| 20:44.21 | Shadowcat | they suck |
| 20:44.22 | sirius | sid: its only one nic card |
| 20:44.47 | adggg | how do I know the name of the device/partition I need to mount? |
| 20:44.48 | itchi | Shadowcat: Realy? I not realy know, like i not have such one, but i was thinking ... ^ |
| 20:44.51 | rxed | how do I start firefox with gdb? |
| 20:44.56 | sid | sirius: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1770 pcstats shows two nics for your board. |
| 20:45.04 | sid | adggg: fdisk -l |
| 20:45.13 | itchi | adggg: Look in the '/etc/fstab'?? |
| 20:45.18 | sohmestra | adggg: is it a PATA or SATA drive? |
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| 20:45.25 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i've found everyone hates some drive company .. and in reality .. i think they have bad "families" .. like maybe Seagate IDE 60GB-100GB barracuda were all prone to failure etc |
| 20:45.40 | sirius | sid: sohmestra: 3c905c-TX/TX-m Tornado (rev 78) |
| 20:45.41 | adggg | it's an HP laptop |
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| 20:46.19 | kelt | does usermod -G have a limit to the number of groups someone can be in? |
| 20:46.29 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, it depend a bit if it goes good with the company? :-/ |
| 20:47.04 | sid | sirius: What does "ifconfig" show you? put it on http://debian.pastebin.com |
| 20:47.08 | abrotman | itchi: from what i've heard .. no .. |
| 20:47.09 | sohmestra | sirius: $ lsmod |grep 3c59x |
| 20:47.18 | sirius | sid: thats plat version |
| 20:47.38 | adggg | fdisk not found |
| 20:48.27 | sirius | sid: shows the eth0 |
| 20:48.34 | itchi | adggg: As root user? |
| 20:48.44 | sirius | sohmestra: 3c59x 36776 0 |
| 20:49.17 | adggg | no, just rebooted with install disk to reinstall GRUB |
| 20:49.19 | formorer | itchi: use lvm |
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| 20:50.06 | itchi | formorer: I talk with dpkg now a bit about it like i not know of it ;-) |
| 20:50.21 | GoAuLd | luka do you like to play crack-attack? |
| 20:50.44 | sohmestra | sirius: $ ifconfig eth0; cat /etc/network/interfaces (stick this on pastebin.com) |
| 20:51.05 | sirius | sohomestra how do i do that when its on another computer |
| 20:51.16 | deadcat | sirius: ssh |
| 20:51.25 | sirius | deadcat: thanks |
| 20:51.33 | adggg | what's the command to mount hda5?? |
| 20:51.43 | deadcat | adggg: man mount |
| 20:51.44 | azeem | adggg: man mount |
| 20:52.06 | roler | what package gives me development tools? |
| 20:52.07 | sirius | deadcat: were trying to fix my netcard thats not working lol |
| 20:52.17 | tarzeau | roler: gcc |
| 20:52.18 | rxed | How do I fix Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file |
| 20:52.18 | streuner | !b-e roler |
| 20:52.18 | dpkg | roler: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 20:52.20 | adggg | okay |
| 20:52.25 | deadcat | sirius: oops (= |
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| 20:52.28 | sohmestra | roler: you can start with build-essential, that gets you most things |
| 20:52.28 | itchi | formorer: I need to setup an RAID1 system, to get 2 HDD mirored. In my case i think i not need lvm. Right? |
| 20:52.50 | roler | ya! |
| 20:52.54 | roler | thanks |
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| 20:53.13 | luka | How can I use cdrecord command in etch? here we haven't IDE-SCSI simulation! |
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| 20:53.27 | stew | luka: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:53.32 | sohmestra | luka: it's not necessary |
| 20:53.41 | streuner | luka: run k3b and run |
| 20:53.43 | adggg | mount -a would mount all partitions, wouldn't it? |
| 20:53.47 | streuner | luka: run k3b and run ps aux ;-) |
| 20:53.55 | sohmestra | luka: cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA: |
| 20:53.58 | luka | StereoSkit: 2.6.16.17 |
| 20:54.07 | stew | luka: just cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom ... |
| 20:54.13 | blondie | !cups |
| 20:54.13 | dpkg | well, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 20:54.15 | luka | streuner: I use GNOME and don't wanna indtal KDE ;-) |
| 20:54.20 | GoAuLd | who liked to play crack-attack with me |
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| 20:54.33 | stew | luka: or /dev/hdc whatever, and the rest of the options work the same like speed= or blank= or whatever |
| 20:54.34 | DooMRunneR | hi |
| 20:54.35 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: if you play typespeed with me |
| 20:54.40 | streuner | luka: you can run qt apps. in GNOME as well. |
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| 20:54.48 | GoAuLd | what the hell is typespeed |
| 20:54.54 | sohmestra | luka: nautilus-cd-burner |
| 20:54.54 | GoAuLd | an education game!? |
| 20:54.55 | luka | Stew: Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second. |
| 20:55.08 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: Zap words flying across the screen by typing them correctly |
| 20:55.09 | rxed | I'm missing /etc/fonts directory. how do I recreate it? |
| 20:55.13 | stew | luka: does it work as root? |
| 20:55.20 | luka | sohmestra: I want to use cdrecord. |
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| 20:55.28 | luka | stew: of course |
| 20:55.36 | GoAuLd | damn allright |
| 20:55.38 | GoAuLd | xD |
| 20:55.46 | luka | stew: my DVD-rw is hdb not hda!! |
| 20:55.49 | sohmestra | luka: did you try scanning the ATA bus? |
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| 20:56.33 | blondie | how do you get more drivers for cups? dpkg's "cups setup" didn't help |
| 20:56.35 | GoAuLd | tarzeau, ok you the server ok?= |
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| 20:56.42 | stew | luka: /dev/hdb should be owned by the cdrom group and g+rw then, and make sure your user is in the cdrom group (type gruops) |
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| 20:56.44 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: no you the server |
| 20:56.46 | luka | sohmestra: I try with cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA: (from:/usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup ) |
| 20:56.48 | GoAuLd | ok |
| 20:57.02 | sohmestra | blondie: apt-cache search foomatic |
| 20:57.04 | GoAuLd | Waiting for connections... |
| 20:57.05 | stew | luka: if you know which /dev/ is your cdrom there is no need to scanbus |
| 20:57.11 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: what's your ip? |
| 20:57.16 | sirius | sohmestra: http://pastebin.com/768320 |
| 20:57.17 | GoAuLd | 80.34.99.37 |
| 20:57.17 | luka | stew: I do it with root it need to be in cdrom group? |
| 20:57.24 | streuner | luka: just told you, just run k3b and see the command in 'ps aux' |
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| 20:57.32 | stew | luka: if you do it with root you don't have to worry about the cdrom group |
| 20:57.45 | luka | Stew: Yes its /dev/hdb |
| 20:57.50 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: unix commands |
| 20:58.02 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: i will so rm -rf you |
| 20:59.04 | luka | stew: Ok , I need only for root, so how can I use cdrecord? I think it need scsi sim... but in 2.6 I don't know how can I emulate it. |
| 20:59.37 | sirius | sid: http://pastebin.com/768320 |
| 20:59.45 | streuner | luka: no |
| 20:59.51 | GoAuLd | hhehe |
| 20:59.58 | stew | luka: you don't want scsi emulation in 2.6. make sure ide-scsi isnt' loaded and make sure ide-cd is loaded then cdrecord dev=/dev/hdb /path/to/iso |
| 21:00.03 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: fun :) |
| 21:00.09 | streuner | luka: ide-scis is not recommend in 2.6.x kernels |
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| 21:00.14 | sohmestra | sirius: try changing it to this: http://pastebin.com/768327 |
| 21:00.16 | GoAuLd | other |
| 21:00.29 | StereoSkit | luka: O_O |
| 21:00.30 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: no no my arms hurt... you can massage my back now? |
| 21:00.31 | GoAuLd | again |
| 21:00.44 | luka | stew: when I wnat to load ide-cd it says: modprobe ide-cd |
| 21:00.45 | luka | FATAL: Module ide_cd not found. |
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| 21:00.52 | sohmestra | sirius: do an ifdown eth0 first, modify /etc/network/interfaces, then do ifup eth0 |
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| 21:01.08 | streuner | luka: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 21:01.12 | stew | luka: did you compile it into your kenrel? if you didn't include the ide-cd module when you compiled your kernel you will need to recompile it |
| 21:01.17 | sid | sohmestra: Then he won't have loopback, if he wants to access localhost/127.0.0.1 no? |
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| 21:01.58 | sohmestra | sid: I just modified what he had there. I assumed he copied only the eth0 section |
| 21:02.01 | LinuxHelp | how would I go about installing wine on debian stable x86_64? |
| 21:02.11 | luka | Stew: cat /proc/version |
| 21:02.12 | luka | Linux version 2.6.16.17--2 (root@memphis) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-3)) #1 PREEMPT Tue May 30 12:30 2006 |
| 21:02.27 | streuner | luka: install an official kernel |
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| 21:02.49 | abrotman | or learn how to compile a kernel |
| 21:02.51 | formorer | LinuxHelp: see the amd64 faq for ia32 chroots |
| 21:02.53 | sohmestra | sirius: don't remove any "auto lo" or "iface lo ...." stuff, just modify the eth0 entry |
| 21:03.00 | luka | streuner: Ithink I must do it |
| 21:03.00 | sid | sirius: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/bN2ViC30.html |
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| 21:03.09 | sid | sirius: I believe that is what the file should look like at the end. |
| 21:03.24 | LinuxHelp | formorer: I'm stupid, where is that FAQ? |
| 21:03.58 | rxed | is there /etc/font directory in testing? |
| 21:04.19 | rxed | I don't have it. :( I'm not sure what would re-create it. any suggestions? |
| 21:04.20 | sid | LinuxHelp: apt-get install wine ? |
| 21:04.28 | sid | LinuxHelp: Or is wine not in am64 repositories? |
| 21:04.38 | LinuxHelp | Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:04.44 | sohmestra | LinuxHelp: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+amd64+faq&btnG=Google+Search |
| 21:05.00 | formorer | LinuxHelp: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
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| 21:05.02 | sid | LinuxHelp: I would think the only way wine 64 bit would work, is if it was emulating 64 bit windows programs. |
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| 21:05.21 | [KillerB] | any ideea what would cause this error wehn doing make Only kernel versions 2.4.x and above are supported. |
| 21:05.21 | [KillerB] | You have . |
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| 21:05.56 | [KillerB] | my kernel is 2.6.16 |
| 21:06.12 | sohmestra | [KillerB]: what error? |
| 21:06.20 | stew | [KillerB]: what are you trying ot build? |
| 21:06.29 | sirius | sohomestra: sid: says again no DHCPOFFERS recieved and no working leases in persistent database and failed to bring up eth0 |
| 21:06.38 | stew | sid: do you know what wine stands for? |
| 21:06.44 | [KillerB] | madwifi modules |
| 21:06.47 | sid | wine is not and emulator |
| 21:06.55 | luka | Is not any way that I say to cdrecord uses my /dev/hdb or /dev/dvd ? |
| 21:07.07 | xsdg | What's up with the thunderbird maintainer? 1.5.0.2 has security issues (announced seven days ago) which are addressed in 1.5.0.4 and there's no new package yet |
| 21:07.22 | stew | luka: i'm not sure i followed that question |
| 21:07.25 | [KillerB] | sohomestra it does not find my kernel version |
| 21:07.28 | sohmestra | sirius: is your PC directly connected to your cable modem? |
| 21:07.39 | luka | stew: TNX |
| 21:07.40 | rxed | How do I fix this GConf server is not in use, shutting down. |
| 21:07.46 | sirius | sohmestra: no its connected to a switch then to the modem |
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| 21:07.55 | sohmestra | [KillerB]: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 21:08.45 | sohmestra | sirius: hmm. a switch, or a router? |
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| 21:09.14 | LinuxHelp | surely I can do apt-get install --arch i386 wine ? |
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| 21:09.32 | sohmestra | sirius: you'll need to have a router between you and your cable modem, or else have your PC directly connected. |
| 21:09.34 | LinuxHelp | chroot looks nasty |
| 21:09.35 | sirius | sohmestra: actually it maybe be to a router, im running ubuntu on the same thing and runs fine |
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| 21:09.52 | [KillerB] | sohmestra I cant do that since I am using a non debian kernel |
| 21:10.12 | [KillerB] | I get this error only since i downgraded gcc from 4.0 to 3.3 |
| 21:10.28 | [KillerB] | I do have the kernel sources in /usr/src/linux |
| 21:10.54 | sohmestra | [KillerB]: apt-get --purge remove gcc-3.3, apt-get install gcc-3.3? I don't know. |
| 21:11.09 | sirius | sohmestra: ubuntu has same interfaces settings as debian did, just a diffrent static address and it works fine. |
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| 21:11.48 | [KillerB] | I did that |
| 21:11.49 | sohmestra | sirius: does it also have a 192.168.0.0/24 address? |
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| 21:12.40 | sirius | sohmestra: im trying 101 static on deabian that i know works, and ubuntu is using 192.168.0.103 |
| 21:12.52 | [KillerB] | in Makefile there is a variable $(KERNELRELEASE). how does that variable get the value? any ideea? |
| 21:13.06 | sohmestra | sirius: can you ping 192.168.0.1? |
| 21:13.21 | sohmestra | sirius: or 192.168.0.103? |
| 21:13.51 | sirius | sohmestra: nope neither |
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| 21:14.05 | sohmestra | sirius: have you tried a different cat5 cable? |
| 21:14.09 | adggg | damn I really can't figure out what and how to mount |
| 21:14.29 | sohmestra | adggg: mount /dev/hda5 /mnt |
| 21:14.40 | sirius | sohomestra: i dual boot on that machine into windows and the cat5 cable works fine |
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| 21:14.52 | abrotman | Stevie: turn off that damn script |
| 21:15.04 | LinuxHelp | Can any1 tell me why I would be getting this seamingly impossible error? http://pastebin.com/768387 |
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| 21:15.24 | sirius | sohmestra: also got green status light on the end of the cable into the computer and a green light on the switch |
| 21:15.34 | Erudified | gentlemen i am rather dissatisfied with these new "PDIFFS" as you call them |
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| 21:16.29 | stew | abrotman: he says he did |
| 21:16.34 | stew | helo |
| 21:16.39 | kspath | ehlo |
| 21:16.42 | stew | man |
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| 21:16.44 | LinuxHelp | I'll take that as a no? |
| 21:16.53 | stew | abrotman: and it appears he didnt' lie :) |
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| 21:17.26 | sirius | sohmestra: maybe i can download a driver for linux for the netcard and try reinstalling it ? is there a way to do that |
| 21:18.02 | r_marvin | LinuxHelp: maybe you have a kernel that doesn't run 32-bit executables? |
| 21:18.05 | r_marvin | just guessin |
| 21:18.14 | r_marvin | never saw that |
| 21:18.25 | sohmestra | sirius: check your logs - /var/log/{syslog,messages} and see if there are any funky errors reported there |
| 21:18.25 | LinuxHelp | r_marvin, why would it say "File not found" then? |
| 21:18.31 | adggg | sohmestra: whatever I try to do it tell me "no such file or directory" |
| 21:18.53 | sohmestra | adggg: ls /dev/hda5, or ls /mnt? |
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| 21:19.36 | adggg | ls /dev/hda5: no such file or dir |
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| 21:19.56 | adggg | ls /mnt no complaints |
| 21:19.57 | LinuxHelp | as usual.. no-one knows whats wrong with linux... :/ |
| 21:19.58 | r_marvin | LinuxHelp: from the first try, i see it sees it in the PATH |
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| 21:20.16 | sohmestra | adggg: then there's no use trying to mount it then ;o) why do you think it should be /dev/hda5? |
| 21:20.38 | AfterDeath | question: since #debian has officially moved to OFTC, would the chan ops like for my bot, manpages, to relay between Freenode and OFTC? |
| 21:20.41 | LinuxHelp | r_marvin, that dont matter, as I'm doing ./wine, with the same error |
| 21:20.43 | r_marvin | LinuxHelp: can you run other 32-bit executables like that one? |
| 21:20.52 | adggg | sohmestra: that's what I thought it was |
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| 21:21.09 | abrotman | stew yay! |
| 21:21.10 | r_marvin | exactly, that's why i'm figuring it's about the executable format |
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| 21:21.16 | sohmestra | adggg: try ls /dev/hd* and see what it says |
| 21:21.23 | abrotman | stew: it only took two months of me yelling at him :) |
| 21:21.42 | stew | abrotman: i asked nicely. see! ;) |
| 21:21.49 | r_marvin | the prompt says "amd64", so i'm guessing you might have a 64-bit distro |
| 21:22.05 | LinuxHelp | r_marvin, how would I check? where can I find a quick 32-bit app? |
| 21:22.05 | abrotman | stew: i've asked nicely before |
| 21:22.05 | Daveman | afternoon, abrotman |
| 21:22.07 | adggg | ls /dev/hd*: no such file or dir |
| 21:22.11 | sirius | sohmestra: im not seeing anything other then that DHCPOFFERS not recieved |
| 21:22.15 | LinuxHelp | Linux amd64 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8 #2 Tue Mar 7 20:57:25 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:22.35 | adggg | mount /dev /mnt : block device required |
| 21:22.53 | r_marvin | LinuxHelp: where did you get wine's binary? it's from a package? |
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| 21:23.16 | LinuxHelp | r_marvin: I found a .tgz with wine in it... |
| 21:23.23 | LinuxHelp | its for slackware, but hey |
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| 21:23.49 | r_marvin | LinuxHelp: that must be it |
| 21:23.57 | sohmestra | sirius: hmm. I think I'm stumped. |
| 21:24.00 | r_marvin | install wine for you distribution |
| 21:24.23 | [KillerB] | in a Makefile there is a variable $(KERNELRELEASE). how does that variable get the value? any ideea? |
| 21:24.28 | LinuxHelp | r_marvin, fraid thats not possible, no such thing as up-to-date wine for debian stable |
| 21:24.40 | r_marvin | there are backports |
| 21:24.44 | r_marvin | !backports |
| 21:24.44 | dpkg | it has been said that backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 21:24.59 | LinuxHelp | r_marvin, I already use backports.org |
| 21:25.16 | LinuxHelp | they dont maintain wine |
| 21:25.29 | r_marvin | then use the "simple sid backport" way |
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| 21:25.43 | LinuxHelp | !simple sid backport |
| 21:25.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 21:26.04 | sid | sirius / sohmestra working? |
| 21:26.12 | sohmestra | sid: no |
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| 21:27.00 | r_marvin | !ops there is a bot "manpage" that seems to conflict with dpkg |
| 21:27.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: r_marvin complains about: there is a bot "manpage" that seems to conflict with dpkg |
| 21:27.02 | sid | !start a bot war |
| 21:27.02 | dpkg | Blootbot is the best bot! |
| 21:27.13 | sohmestra | sid, sirius: I think I'm stumped for the moment, and anyway, I need to head home. |
| 21:27.23 | azeem | r_marvin: how so? |
| 21:27.30 | r_marvin | -manpages- Error: "ops" is not a valid command. |
| 21:27.32 | mentor | hmmm? |
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| 21:27.39 | mentor | !hi |
| 21:27.40 | dpkg | hello, mentor |
| 21:27.41 | LinuxHelp | Is sid unstable or testing? |
| 21:27.45 | mentor | message only |
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| 21:27.49 | LinuxHelp | !sid |
| 21:27.49 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 21:27.52 | babl_ | sudo dpkg -i amarok_1.4-beta2-1.x86_64.deb |
| 21:27.55 | LinuxHelp | thx |
| 21:27.57 | sid | !hi |
| 21:27.57 | dpkg | hello, sid |
| 21:27.58 | r_marvin | yes, not on the channel |
| 21:27.58 | streuner | LinuxHelp: unstable is sid |
| 21:28.02 | AfterDeath | manpages lobotomy add #debian |
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| 21:28.03 | manpages | The operation succeeded. |
| 21:28.05 | AfterDeath | fixed now everyone |
| 21:28.07 | sirius | sid: we are not getting any where lol i think the driver may not be working is there a way to get a better one ? |
| 21:28.07 | sid | !start a war war |
| 21:28.08 | dpkg | file system wars rule! |
| 21:28.08 | AfterDeath | sorry |
| 21:28.20 | sid | hmm, manpages stopped mentor |
| 21:28.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@unaffiliated/manpages] by mentor |
| 21:28.24 | r_marvin | ok, thanks |
| 21:28.25 | sid | !start a bot war |
| 21:28.25 | dpkg | Eggdrops may do TCL but RockBot is smooth |
| 21:28.37 | mentor | !hi |
| 21:28.37 | dpkg | hello, mentor |
| 21:28.47 | mentor | !hi |
| 21:28.47 | dpkg | hello, mentor |
| 21:28.59 | AfterDeath | wtf |
| 21:29.01 | r_marvin | sid, mentor : AfterDeath stopped it |
| 21:29.04 | r_marvin | thanks |
| 21:29.08 | AfterDeath | why did you ban manpages? |
| 21:29.12 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@unaffiliated/manpages] by mentor |
| 21:29.15 | AfterDeath | thx |
| 21:29.19 | [KillerB] | is the cc binary a gcc simlink? |
| 21:29.26 | AfterDeath | i had him fully shut up in here :-P |
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| 21:29.42 | kspath | !bot |
| 21:29.42 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 21:29.53 | sid | !abuse |
| 21:29.53 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 21:29.53 | mentor | AfterDeath: You can stick him on another trigger, as long as he isn't verbose and ill-behaved |
| 21:29.57 | LinuxHelp | r_marvin, I have a problem, deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ unstable main IS Ignored |
| 21:29.59 | stew | [KillerB]: "readlink -f $(which cc)" |
| 21:30.01 | sirius | sid: we are not getting any where lol i think the driver may not be working is there a way to get a better one ? |
| 21:30.04 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 21:30.08 | AfterDeath | ok |
| 21:30.13 | AfterDeath | ill get to that in a bit |
| 21:30.14 | LinuxHelp | is that the correct line? |
| 21:30.23 | AfterDeath | right now, i'm fixing a plugin of his |
| 21:30.27 | formorer | LinuxHelp: read the news. you don't need -amd64 for sid anymore |
| 21:30.30 | sid | sirius: Do you have another cable you can try? |
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| 21:30.48 | sirius | sid: sec |
| 21:30.50 | sid | sirius: Another port on the switch? sirius are you SURE there is only one nic, did you check the back of the motherboard? |
| 21:30.52 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 21:30.53 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:30.57 | dli | LinuxHelp, don't use sid in any case :( at least, don't ask any questions about it |
| 21:30.57 | LinuxHelp | thx formorer |
| 21:31.09 | sirius | sid: that board you were looking at was the plat mines not plat |
| 21:31.17 | sid | ahh, I see. |
| 21:31.25 | [KillerB] | THERE WE GO |
| 21:31.28 | sirius | sid: everything works fine on the same machine when in windows |
| 21:31.34 | [KillerB] | the cc simlink was not present |
| 21:31.41 | [KillerB] | well that was a good wated 40mins |
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| 21:32.06 | LinuxHelp | IGN: deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/debian/ unstable main |
| 21:32.15 | sid | sirius: You have a knoppix cd? |
| 21:32.23 | omi | hello all, How can I specify a mirror in debian installer manually? |
| 21:32.32 | sirius | sid: nope got a ubuntu cd lol and maybe a fedora |
| 21:32.34 | sid | !tell omi about apt-setup |
| 21:32.43 | r_marvin | omi: there is an option, manual setup |
| 21:32.55 | omi | apt-setup doesn't exist during install |
| 21:33.09 | sid | omi: Then you're not using debian stable. |
| 21:33.20 | sid | !tell omi about testing |
| 21:33.35 | r_marvin | choose your country first, then chose "manually something" |
| 21:33.47 | sid | omi: You have to quit/change virtual terminals during the installer. Then manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:33.49 | dli | omi, replace all deb mirror hosts to your local server in the dhcpd-server |
| 21:34.10 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 21:34.14 | omi | sid, I'm in a stage where It the installer tried copying the files from CD and then it couldn't read the cd and fails. I'm trying to install ubuntu hoary |
| 21:34.25 | sid | !tell omi about ubuntu |
| 21:34.30 | sid | omi: /join #ubuntu |
| 21:35.02 | omi | look, sid, please stop being pedantic, I just asked if you know the file which debian-installer reads for mirrors during install |
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| 21:35.25 | sid | omi: That isn't debian installer. it's ubuntu installer. |
| 21:35.26 | r_marvin | omi: ubuntu's installer is not debian-installer anymore |
| 21:35.32 | dli | omi, ubuntu is not debian, espacially true for its installer |
| 21:35.42 | omi | guys, I said hoary installer, it is so debian installer! |
| 21:35.46 | omi | with few things changed |
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| 21:35.55 | dli | omi, no point to ask here in anyway :( |
| 21:35.59 | widrone | omi: Sure the debian and ubuntu installer uses the same files anyhow and that they are even in the same location? |
| 21:36.01 | sid | omi: /join #ubuntu |
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| 21:36.10 | LinuxHelp | okay I sort of give up: IGN deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/ unstable main |
| 21:36.10 | omi | I tried ubuntu, too dead |
| 21:36.38 | omi | anyways I'll update you whether I succeeded or not. |
| 21:36.40 | dli | omi, as far as I know, ubuntu installer is far less flexible compared with debian |
| 21:36.43 | sid | omi: Why are you using hoary, there has been two stable releases since then. |
| 21:36.45 | Versed | try #ubuntu-offtopic |
| 21:36.47 | sirius | sid: why does msi make there linux drivers into exe's ? |
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| 21:36.54 | Versed | they're people there now |
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| 21:37.23 | sid | !tell omi about d-i |
| 21:37.23 | poopybutt | is there a list of popular irc channels anywhere? |
| 21:37.26 | omi | sid, because 1. that is the cd I have handy, 2. most important reason is that I cannot configure raid+lvm on their new installer |
| 21:37.31 | sid | poopybutt: /list ? |
| 21:37.41 | omi | is that good enough for you purists/ |
| 21:37.44 | sid | poopybutt: There are no illegal files on this irc network. Only free software channels. |
| 21:37.52 | poopybutt | what? |
| 21:38.02 | poopybutt | im not looking to download illegal files |
| 21:38.12 | poopybutt | im just bored |
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| 21:38.20 | sid | poopybutt: What channels are you looking for in particular? |
| 21:38.24 | dli | omi, debian people don't care about what you think :( they don't care you like ubuntu or not, or like debian or not |
| 21:38.33 | poopybutt | to bother germans about their soccer team |
| 21:38.44 | deadcat | poopybutt: hah |
| 21:38.45 | poopybutt | and how they are going to lose to costa rica |
| 21:38.48 | sid | omi: You can pay Canonical(the company that owns Ubuntu) for support. Then you'll get help. I believe hoary is still supported. |
| 21:38.49 | John-Z | Hrmm.. |
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| 21:39.01 | John-Z | Has anyone installed Debian Sarge IA64 ? |
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| 21:39.34 | John-Z | Im using the netinstall iso.. and its spinning up the CD but not beginning the install. |
| 21:39.46 | omi | dli, *sigh* I just do not understand why is it when asked for a file location we get into such arguments, it is far simpler to say where the file is then to puff away dogmatism. i |
| 21:39.49 | sid | poopybutt: Try #debian.de |
| 21:39.50 | John-Z | Is it necessary to have an internet connection to get the CD to boot initially? |
| 21:39.50 | dli | John-Z, got dhcp ? |
| 21:39.51 | LinuxHelp | IA64 as in the Itanium Titanium? |
| 21:39.57 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:39.57 | John-Z | yes.. dhcp. |
| 21:40.03 | abrotman | sid: don't do that |
| 21:40.05 | poopybutt | sid: so i get a message about losing traffic if i do /list whats that all about |
| 21:40.15 | sid | poopybutt: Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net |
| 21:40.15 | abrotman | poopybutt: do you have a Debian related question ? |
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| 21:40.36 | poopybutt | no, but i dont know where else to ask |
| 21:40.39 | John-Z | dli, why do you ask? |
| 21:40.44 | AfterDeath | hey mentor? |
| 21:40.51 | abrotman | poopybutt: certainly not here .. try a social channel .. this is a support channel |
| 21:40.57 | dli | John-Z, dhcp is first thing from netinstall |
| 21:41.11 | John-Z | Im sorry, I dont understand what you mean.. |
| 21:41.18 | poopybutt | well thats exactly what i talking about, i dont know any social channels. thats why i asked if there was a place to find them |
| 21:41.19 | Sivik | what does it mean when i get the error |
| 21:41.19 | Sivik | (cbrpager:7476): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 21:41.23 | John-Z | Ah.. so, if my network isnt hooked up while its booting.. it wont boot the cd? |
| 21:41.33 | SerajewelKS | Sivik: means X isn't running, or DISPLAY isn't set |
| 21:41.34 | supaman | hi, I just uppgraded my kernel and now my sound is no more (get an error from xmms that "Couldn't open audio) but I have all the right modules installed it seems (alsa modules, all with snd_ in front of them) |
| 21:41.35 | AfterDeath | mentor, a tip: if you prefix a ban with a % it has the effect of muting the person being banned, but still allows them to rejoin. It's much nicer for quieting obnoxious people/bots |
| 21:41.38 | sid | poopybutt: irc.efnet.pl #soccer |
| 21:41.43 | Sivik | SerajewelKS, so how do i fix it? |
| 21:41.49 | poopybutt | k thanks |
| 21:41.49 | supaman | how do I go about getting my sound to work? |
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| 21:41.54 | Sivik | SerajewelKS, i'm already in gnome so i'm assuming that x is running |
| 21:41.55 | sid | supaman: "groups usernamehere" |
| 21:42.00 | sid | supaman: Is that username in the group "audio"? |
| 21:42.01 | SerajewelKS | Sivik: are you running X? what program are you trying to run? who are you trying to run it as? |
| 21:42.18 | dli | supaman, alsamixer |
| 21:42.22 | Sivik | SerajewelKS, i'm trying to run a program called cdrpager, i'm running as root |
| 21:42.31 | Sivik | SerajewelKS, and i'm currently in gnome |
| 21:42.33 | dli | supaman, /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 21:42.35 | supaman | sid: damn .. I am not a part of it ... |
| 21:42.40 | SerajewelKS | Sivik: did you 'su -' before running cdrpager? |
| 21:42.44 | sid | supaman: useradd usernamehere audio |
| 21:42.55 | Sivik | SerajewelKS, i'm already there |
| 21:42.59 | SerajewelKS | !tell Sivik about run stuff as root |
| 21:43.07 | SerajewelKS | Sivik: because 'su -' is evil |
| 21:43.07 | supaman | sid: isnt it -G audio username ? |
| 21:43.37 | sid | supaman: "adduser supaman audio" |
| 21:43.39 | Sivik | SerajewelKS, i'm the only one that ever uses this computer so i'm not worried about it |
| 21:43.44 | dli | supaman, gpasswd -a supaman audio |
| 21:43.49 | SerajewelKS | Sivik: that's not what i meant. read what dpkg told you. |
| 21:43.58 | LinuxHelp | yayee it works |
| 21:44.04 | Sivik | SerajewelKS, what does that have to do with my current problem? |
| 21:44.05 | sid | supaman: adduser can also be used to add a user to a group |
| 21:44.08 | supaman | bahh .. I go for useradd -G audio username |
| 21:44.14 | supaman | :) |
| 21:44.15 | LinuxHelp | !backports |
| 21:44.16 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 21:44.27 | SerajewelKS | Sivik: it means you either (a) didn't export XAUTHORITY, or (b) used 'su -' which clobbers your environment, including DISPLAY> |
| 21:44.37 | LinuxHelp | !simple sid backport |
| 21:44.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 21:44.42 | Sivik | SerajewelKS, now i'm in |
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| 21:44.54 | sirius | sid: im gona download the cd's do i really need all 14 ? |
| 21:44.54 | SerajewelKS | Sivik: cool |
| 21:45.07 | sid | sirius: no |
| 21:45.13 | sirius | sid: which ones do i need |
| 21:45.38 | LinuxHelp | E: Build-dependencies for wine could not be satisfied. |
| 21:45.43 | sid | sirius: I would get the net install disc. If you network isn't setup with that. It won't be setup with all 14 discs. |
| 21:45.45 | mentor | AfterDeath: Yes, but since your bot was responding in PrivMsg I had to kickban it |
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| 21:45.50 | sid | !tell sirius about d-i |
| 21:45.54 | Sivik | SerajewelKS, ok, this is really weird, the program that i'm trying to run reads and open .cbr files, and when i try to open a file that is a .cbr, it tells me its an unknown file type |
| 21:46.01 | sirius | sid: i was using the net install disc |
| 21:46.14 | AfterDeath | o i c |
| 21:46.15 | sid | sirius: Getting the 14 discs won't make a difference. |
| 21:46.17 | supaman | sid: dont I then have to restart X to get this group add to work? |
| 21:46.24 | sid | supaman: no |
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| 21:46.34 | Sivik | how do i get a user as a sudo like in ubuntu |
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| 21:46.58 | supaman | sid: well, I did the adduser thing and still xmms gives out the error ... |
| 21:47.20 | sid | supaman: killall esd; killall artsd; apt-get install alsa-utils alsa-base; alsaconf; |
| 21:47.27 | sid | supaman: lsmod|grep oss; show me these results |
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| 21:47.43 | SerajewelKS | does debian qemu support kqemu? (assuming kqemu is downloaded and installed separately) |
| 21:47.45 | sid | supaman: What is in your xmms preferences, what audio is it using? |
| 21:48.17 | supaman | sid: not so quick there, Im an old man ... :) |
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| 21:48.46 | supaman | sid: ok, where do you want the paste from the lsmod? |
| 21:48.52 | sid | !tell supaman about paste |
| 21:49.06 | supaman | sid: #flood then? |
| 21:49.13 | sid | yes |
| 21:49.58 | sid | supaman: alsamixer; turn up all of those levels. |
| 21:50.19 | sid | supaman: Go into xmms preferences, and go to audio; and change it to "OSS" |
| 21:50.22 | supaman | sid: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission denied |
| 21:50.36 | sid | supaman: groups supaman |
| 21:50.41 | widrone | Damn, I set my locales to native language again. Yet another install Ill have hell troubleshooting. How come I cant understand computerlanguage in my native tounge! |
| 21:51.02 | r_marvin | same here |
| 21:51.12 | r_marvin | it makes me chuckle every time |
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| 21:51.25 | supaman | sid: since I didnt restart my X I am not set in the audio group when I fire up a new xterm |
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| 21:51.50 | sid | supaman: That shouldn't matter. |
| 21:51.57 | sid | supaman: Did you do "adduser supaman audio" ? |
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| 21:52.00 | Sivik | hi all again |
| 21:52.03 | supaman | sid: yup .. |
| 21:52.26 | sid | supaman: And "groups supaman" doesn't show audio? |
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| 21:52.44 | supaman | sid: hmmm ... yes it does |
| 21:52.49 | sid | supaman: What audio is xmms using?(it shows in preferences) |
| 21:52.57 | widrone | Ah, well. The users better be happy then. OS in native tounge, that should do it for them... all warm and fuzzy. |
| 21:53.06 | Sivik | how do i get a user as a sudo user |
| 21:53.10 | supaman | sid: ouputplugin is ALSA |
| 21:53.23 | sid | supaman: Change that to oss. And see if xmms works. |
| 21:53.41 | supaman | sid: nope ... |
| 21:53.49 | sid | supaman: Did you do "alsaconf"? |
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| 21:54.12 | supaman | sid: damn .. forgott that .. your to quick for me :) |
| 21:54.24 | jjazz | Sivik: apt-get install sudo |
| 21:54.32 | jjazz | Sivik: then, as root, visudo |
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| 21:54.51 | sid | supaman: killall esd; killall artsd; apt-get install alsa-utils alsa-base; alsaconf; |
| 21:55.05 | widrone | Any i13n factoids floating around incase I see glaring errors and feel like contributing back, feel free to zap them to me. |
| 21:55.21 | jjazz | Sivik: edit the file depending on who you want to give which rights and you're done |
| 21:55.30 | limpio | i'm using firefox 1.0.4 in Sarge, i'm using a 15" monitor, i want to save space, i disabled the bookmarks and and navigation tooolbars. Is there a way i can get an address bar with a keybinding say something like an Fn key?? |
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| 21:56.03 | sid | limpio: f11 |
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| 21:56.19 | Sivik | jjazz, do i just put the user i want to be the sudo under the user section on the visudo? |
| 21:56.48 | limpio | sid: f11 = full screen no good, i need to write a url |
| 21:57.00 | Sivik | jjazz, i got it, thanks |
| 21:57.09 | sid | limpio: With full screen you can still write a url. |
| 21:57.16 | sid | limpio: add the addressbar to toolbars |
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| 21:57.41 | jjazz | Sivik: google has many examples, depending on what you're trying to accomplish |
| 21:58.04 | Sivik | jjazz: i never can find the correct stuff that works when doing it via google |
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| 21:58.28 | limpio | sid: please elaborate about f11 |
| 21:58.31 | supaman | sid: ok, done that ... and alsamixer still gives me problems but now says "No such device" instead of "Permission denied" and xmms still doesnt work |
| 21:59.38 | jjazz | Sivik: I hear ya. You might want "username ALL=(root) NOPASSWD:ALL". that gives username access to everything without need of a password. |
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| 22:00.29 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 22:00.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 22:01.17 | Sivik | jjazz, but i like when i have to enter the password |
| 22:01.49 | jjazz | Sivik, then take out the NOPASSWD: bit |
| 22:01.55 | Sivik | ok |
| 22:02.22 | sid | limpio: right click while not in full screen and make sure the navigation toolbar is checked. |
| 22:02.22 | sid | supaman: Try rebooting? |
| 22:02.22 | sid | supaman: I've had sound not work until I reboot. |
| 22:02.24 | sid | !alsa-bork |
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| 22:02.24 | dpkg | [alsa-bork] modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 22:02.32 | supaman | sid: yeh, thats my next step |
| 22:02.37 | Sivik | !alsa |
| 22:02.37 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://alsa-project.org/ |
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| 22:02.45 | supaman | sid: ok, thanks for the help |
| 22:03.19 | limpio | sid: with f11 i got the navigation bar and google but i can't alt-tab to other windows |
| 22:03.45 | sid | limpio: That's because you're fullscreen. |
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| 22:04.04 | limpio | sid: correcto |
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| 22:04.42 | sirius | sid: i downloaded the testing version of the net install cd and it worked flawlessly even detected network |
| 22:05.10 | limpio | sid: i want to get a url space from the original window, i disabled the bookmarks/navigation toolbars |
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| 22:05.59 | Sivik | jjazz, ok, i have installed the alsa-base and the alsa-utils but i can't find the command alsaconf |
| 22:06.10 | sid | sirius: awesome |
| 22:06.16 | sid | sirius: So you're up and running and all? |
| 22:06.27 | sid | limpio: irc.mozilla.org #firefox |
| 22:06.37 | jjazz | Sivik: I was not the one helping you with alsa, so I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. |
| 22:06.38 | sid | limpio: What window manager or desktop enviroment are you using? |
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| 22:06.48 | limpio | sid: ion3 |
| 22:06.49 | Sivik | jjazz: i know, no one was helping with alsa |
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| 22:06.59 | Sivik | jjazz: i just figured you could help me |
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| 22:07.23 | GoAuLd | who play with me to crack-attack |
| 22:07.58 | jjazz | Sivik: I might be able to, but I still don't know what you're trying to accomplish. Why don't we start from the beginning and you tell me what the problem is. |
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| 22:08.19 | Sivik | jjazz: ok, i am trying to install sound |
| 22:08.31 | jjazz | !alsa |
| 22:08.31 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://alsa-project.org/ |
| 22:08.43 | jjazz | Sivik: Did you read those? |
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| 22:08.58 | Sivik | jjazz: already using that, thats where i'm having a problem, i installed the alsa-base and the alsa-utils and am trying to run the alsaconf command, but it can't be found |
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| 22:09.12 | jjazz | Sivik: are you running it as root? |
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| 22:09.32 | beardy | !alsa bork |
| 22:09.43 | Sivik | jjazz: thanks |
| 22:10.24 | beardy | !alsa-bork |
| 22:10.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 22:11.10 | sirius | sid: finishing the install |
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| 22:11.26 | Sivik | jjazz: the alsaconf says it can't find an audio device |
| 22:11.39 | sid | sirius: apt-get install xserver-xorg x-window-system-core gnome firefox etc; when it's done |
| 22:11.49 | js_ | do i need to reinstall into mbr after upgrading it's package? |
| 22:11.52 | jjazz | Sivik: what's your audio device? |
| 22:11.56 | sirius | sid: k, does xgl work on debian ? :D |
| 22:12.11 | beardy | Sivik: see also "/msg dpkg alsa 2.6" if you're running a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:12.18 | Sivik | 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0059 (rev a2) |
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| 22:12.55 | beardy | !tell EEap -about root |
| 22:13.03 | Sivik | bready: the two things needed for 2.6 kernel are already installed |
| 22:13.20 | Sivik | beardy: the two things needed for 2.6 kernel are already installed |
| 22:13.23 | jjazz | Sivik: you installed discover1? |
| 22:13.46 | Sivik | discover1 is already the newest version. |
| 22:13.46 | Sivik | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 22:13.46 | Sivik | sivik@SAVEAK:/etc/modutils$ |
| 22:14.42 | jjazz | hrm. Ok. It's not recognizing your sound card, which sounds like a driver issue to me. Have you tried googling your specific sound card model? |
| 22:14.59 | Sivik | jjazz, nope |
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| 22:15.05 | Sivik | jjazz: i will try that |
| 22:15.21 | jjazz | Sivik: Go for it. Because other than that, I'm not sure what to tell you. |
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| 22:15.58 | Sivik | jjazz: have to figure out the chipset first |
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| 22:17.01 | jjazz | Sivik: if you know the model name, google should be able to help with that. Otherwise, check manufacturer's website. |
| 22:17.33 | ceplma | Can anybody help me to make bcm4318 wifi card working on Dell Inspiron 2200 (using /unstable and custom kernel 2.6.17-rc5)? |
| 22:17.37 | Sivik | jjazz: the problem is, its a onboard sound card and all the manu site says is it |
| 22:17.38 | Sivik | Complies with AC'97 Rev 2.3 specifications |
| 22:17.52 | jjazz | Sivik: Google your mobo. it should have specs |
| 22:17.57 | ak70 | hi, Did anyone encountered some problems when upgrading emacs-snapshot? |
| 22:18.00 | Sivik | ok |
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| 22:18.10 | Sivik | jjazz: that came from the manuel for the mobo |
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| 22:18.43 | ceplma | It worked couple of times, but I am not able to make it working predictably (it doesn't go on always) and there is nothing interesting in /var/log/syslog. |
| 22:19.00 | jjazz | Sivik: You're unlikely to find your chipset from within Debian. Your mobo has a model number. Use it to find the rest of the info you need. |
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| 22:19.43 | Sivik | jjazz: thats how i'm trying to find it from |
| 22:19.51 | jjazz | Good |
| 22:19.52 | Sivik | jjazz: i was looking on the mobo manufactoring site |
| 22:19.53 | ak70 | I can not upgrade to the latest emacs-snapshot because semantic does not compile with it |
| 22:20.40 | rxed | I deleted /etc/fonts. Is there a way to rebuild this dir? |
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| 22:22.54 | meriad | hi ya'll |
| 22:22.58 | meriad | stumbleupon is leet |
| 22:23.02 | _slack | how can i run a script with root's privileges before on user's login or startup? |
| 22:23.21 | Mutiny | I just installed a fresh Debian 3.1 sarge off the netinst CD. Unfortunately I had to wrestle with some weird Force-LoopBreak thing for e2fsprogs but I got it installing things from apt with a bare system, now. What 'stub' package can I apt-get install to get the equivalent of selecting "Desktop Environment" when selecting packages from the installer? |
| 22:23.25 | sirius | Does Cedega Work well on Debian ? |
| 22:23.38 | ak70 | did anyone have got the same bug? |
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| 22:24.03 | widrone | Mutiny: tasksel could maybe help, I think thats the program that calls the potion you are looking for. |
| 22:24.29 | widrone | !tell Mutiny about tasksel |
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| 22:27.45 | Sivik | jjazz, ok, i'm running the installer for realtec from the realtek website, and its still not finding my sound card |
| 22:28.20 | meriad | _slack- man sudo |
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| 22:29.41 | Sivik | can i get some help with audio, how do i get debian and alsaconf to find my video card |
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| 22:32.03 | StereoSkit | dudes in the update last night (testing) my laptop mouse became really slow, i use fluxbox ad DM and if i try gnome the same happens, does anyones knows which conf file do i have to check in order to restore the original mouse speed? |
| 22:32.40 | StereoSkit | s/ad/as |
| 22:33.08 | Sivik | !codec |
| 22:33.10 | jjazz | Sivik: did you figure out what sound card you have? |
| 22:33.22 | Sivik | jjazz: no, still trying to, can't find it |
| 22:33.44 | jjazz | Sivik: ok |
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| 22:34.21 | Sivik | jjazz, this is all i can find, Complies with AC'97 Rev 2.3 specifications |
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| 22:34.55 | jjazz | Sivik: I can't help you, sorry. |
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| 22:35.32 | gavagai | i was trying to get an ac97 to work yesterday for about six hours |
| 22:35.35 | neoxan__ | what happened? |
| 22:35.37 | neoxan__ | :s |
| 22:35.40 | Sivik | jjazz: its a ALC850 |
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| 22:35.41 | gavagai | i gave up and installed another card |
| 22:35.43 | gavagai | :) |
| 22:35.44 | beardy | !ac97 |
| 22:35.44 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 22:36.12 | Sivik | beardy, already trying that, the alsaconf still doesn't find the audio card when i run the ./install from the package from reaktek |
| 22:36.14 | Sivik | realtek* |
| 22:36.14 | gavagai | i found an old soundcard buried in my file cabinet |
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| 22:36.38 | Sivik | gavagai, thats the thing, i don't have any other sound cards |
| 22:36.46 | tarzeau | does someone have an account on a debian system without root permissions? |
| 22:36.48 | Sivik | gavagai, i have never needed more than whats on the mobo |
| 22:37.00 | Sivik | tarzeau, who are you talking to? |
| 22:37.06 | m0rbid | tarzeau: I have both. |
| 22:37.17 | tarzeau | m0rbid: well i need people with only user rights |
| 22:37.23 | tarzeau | Sivik: anyone in here |
| 22:37.25 | m0rbid | oh |
| 22:37.40 | Sivik | tarzeau: thats very easy |
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| 22:38.06 | widrone | tarzeau: Yes. Stable or what? |
| 22:38.19 | m0rbid | I dont get it... I have a normal user account too... |
| 22:38.25 | m0rbid | IS BECAUSE IM GREEN EH!? |
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| 22:38.32 | widrone | Dont we all have that? =) |
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| 22:38.46 | eoLit | has anyone installed amavisd-new 2.3 on sarge? |
| 22:38.51 | m0rbid | he thinks I will cheat with an 'su' |
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| 22:39.02 | widrone | !anyone |
| 22:39.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:39.04 | JackUTR | what is the setup command in Debian ? |
| 22:39.22 | m0rbid | power |
| 22:39.25 | tarzeau | widrone: anything |
| 22:39.27 | m0rbid | (on) |
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| 22:39.40 | JackUTR | what is the setup command in Debian ?? |
| 22:39.47 | sirius | sid: you still there ? |
| 22:40.08 | beardy | tarzeau: Don't you? |
| 22:40.11 | clocker | Anyone running a 3com USR hardware 5910/2977 modem? |
| 22:40.21 | eoLit | ok, so my real question is: how do i get past amavisd-new dependency problem of libcompress-zlib-perl??? |
| 22:40.27 | mcsmurf | hi, where can i find the patchset of Firefox 1.5 (diff from the original source which mozilla.org provides to the version Debian provides)? |
| 22:40.32 | JackUTR | what is the setup command in Debian ?? help me plz |
| 22:40.33 | sid | sirius: yes |
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| 22:40.46 | beardy | JackUTR: Setup for what? Be specific. |
| 22:40.56 | beardy | JackUTR: What are you trying to do? |
| 22:41.16 | eoLit | without resorting to testing or unstable |
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| 22:41.31 | mcsmurf | ah nm http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-1.diff.gz is the URL |
| 22:41.38 | mcsmurf | or seems to be it :) |
| 22:41.42 | tarzeau | beardy: no, i'm root on all systems i have access to :) well and those i don't are down :( |
| 22:41.51 | m0dY | how to resume a file got by scp ? |
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| 22:41.57 | Sivik | has anyone gotten the realtek ALC850 to work |
| 22:42.00 | tarzeau | m0dY: forget it |
| 22:42.14 | beardy | tarzeau: But you have useraccounts on them aswell, why do you need a person with only a useraccount? |
| 22:42.17 | sirius | sid: okay x failed to start ive had this prob before and if i remember right i have a ATI x800 and i had to get like somekind of firegl driver ? |
| 22:42.25 | m0dY | tarzeau: i did it a long time ago but totaly forgot what was the trick |
| 22:42.31 | Sivik | sirius: use a vesa driver |
| 22:42.33 | JackUTR | beardy , i want active yum on server |
| 22:42.45 | beardy | JackUTR: What is yum? |
| 22:42.50 | tarzeau | beardy: it's just because i feel like it's useful for others too |
| 22:43.02 | beardy | tarzeau: what is? |
| 22:43.12 | tarzeau | beardy: apt-get that works for users |
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| 22:43.20 | beardy | (no I haven't paid attention) |
| 22:43.23 | beardy | tarzeau: Ah, ok. |
| 22:43.28 | sirius | Sivik: i want to be able to use my Ati 800 as much as i will be playing games on this machine is vesa good ? |
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| 22:43.56 | beardy | tarzeau: But to test it, why do you need others instead of yourself to test it on? :) |
| 22:44.05 | widrone | tarzeau: Got some pretty clean xendomains Im playing with. Be happy to break either of them to test a usermode apt-get... |
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| 22:44.14 | eoLit | any one for the dependency problem of amavis?????? |
| 22:44.32 | Sivik | sirius: no, but vesa will work so you can work on getting the ati 3d acc to work |
| 22:44.37 | Sivik | !ait |
| 22:44.39 | Sivik | !ati |
| 22:44.39 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
| 22:44.40 | tarzeau | beardy: it's tested :) |
| 22:44.42 | widrone | tarzeau: I even managed to typo my way into a testing debootstrap on one of them. |
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| 22:44.47 | beardy | eoLit: One ? is enough. Is amavis packaged? What version of Debian are you running? |
| 22:44.56 | tarzeau | widrone: you want to test it? |
| 22:44.59 | Sivik | sirus, "/msg dpkg ati |
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| 22:45.26 | sirius | Sivik: Thanks |
| 22:45.28 | eoLit | beardy: im using sarge, i've downloaded amavisd from volatile but it depends on zlib >=1.35 |
| 22:45.32 | sid | sirius: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:45.35 | AfterDeath | manpages part |
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| 22:45.38 | stew | eoLit: what does "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy amavisd-new libcompress-zlib-perl" say? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg paster |
| 22:45.38 | sid | sirius: type that, and chose "vesa" as the driver. |
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| 22:45.50 | widrone | tarzeau: My /lastlog is broke, you got any info on what this is? Just a apt-get from regular user? |
| 22:46.04 | tarzeau | widrone: yes |
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| 22:46.36 | Neptune__ | i just got a debian sarge netinstall iso, and installed it - it came with kernal 2.4.27-2-368 - but i need a v.2.6-kernel - how do i update? apt-get update/apt-get distupdate doesnt work |
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| 22:47.04 | stew | Neptune__: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 22:47.08 | clocker | :D /msg dpkg kernel? |
| 22:47.09 | clocker | heheh |
| 22:47.15 | clocker | ok so I'm getting closer |
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| 22:47.33 | jkl- | i've run 'dpkg -i openssl_0.9.8b-2_i386.deb' which did not install due to unmet dependencies, yet i cannot do 'apt-get upgrade' because it still nags me about those unmet dependencies - how do i get out of this state? |
| 22:47.50 | stew | jkl-: apt-get -f install |
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| 22:47.57 | eoLit | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2777 |
| 22:48.15 | jkl- | stew: you sure? i DONT want to install it actually |
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| 22:49.12 | stew | jkl-: you don't want to install the dependencies? |
| 22:49.13 | kspath | !poop |
| 22:49.14 | widrone | tarzeau: Sure, shoot! The system is just bootstrapped, nothing exciting in there yet anyway. |
| 22:49.15 | rxed | Where Debian keeps its /etc/fonts dir? |
| 22:49.24 | jkl- | Stew: not really |
| 22:49.38 | stew | jkl-: then dpkg -r openssl_0.9.8b |
| 22:49.39 | jkl- | stew: i'd just like to "undo" this command |
| 22:49.48 | sirius | sid: it never asked me which driver i wanted to use |
| 22:50.09 | stew | jkl-: err dpkg -r openssl |
| 22:50.36 | sirius | sid: dangit and apt-get is not working either lol |
| 22:50.50 | stew | eoLit: you don't have a main mirror |
| 22:50.55 | jkl- | stew: not working - as i have 0.9.8a installed |
| 22:51.03 | Sivik | !realtek |
| 22:51.03 | dpkg | from memory, realtek is a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller, or http://freebsd.active-venture.com/FreeBSD-srctree/newsrc/pci/if_rl.c.html |
| 22:51.25 | jkl- | stew: with 0.9.8a installed i wanted to try install 0.9.8b and it came with this dependency circle |
| 22:51.37 | eoLit | stew: i commented it out for this install, guess i shouldn't have huh? :p |
| 22:51.42 | stew | eoLit: neither security nor volatile are full mirrors, they are only small subsets of packages |
| 22:51.47 | sirius | sid, sivik: Says temporay failure in resolving ftp.debian.org when doing apt-get |
| 22:52.05 | Sivik | sirius: thats an issue with the server, not on your end |
| 22:52.06 | sid | sirius: Can you ping an ip |
| 22:52.18 | Sivik | sirius: just wait and do it again in a minitue |
| 22:52.18 | sid | sirius: Try to ping an ip inside the LAN, maybe dns isn't working. |
| 22:52.20 | stew | jkl-: you can try "apt-get install openssl=0.9.8a-2" |
| 22:54.05 | eoLit | stew: if i uncomment my main mirror, and apt-get install amavisd-new, it wants to install the ooooold 2003 version :S |
| 22:54.48 | sirius | sid, sivik: says when i type ping 192.168.0.1 or 103 network unreachable, but when i was doing the install i was downloading files fine this time ? |
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| 22:55.54 | rxed | I have a strange error message in my log and I don't know what's causing it. I'm using flux 0.9.14 with gdm. The error message is: GConf server is not in use, shutting down. |
| 22:56.12 | jkl- | stew: seems to work! thx :) |
| 22:56.43 | nurv | plp help! I'm with debian testing/unstable and use gnome. The problem is that 'top' tells me that gnome-panel use about 90% of my CPU resources and about 60% of my memmory. Can anyone help to solve this inconvenience? |
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| 22:57.45 | stew | eoLit: volatile doesn't provide an amavisd-new package |
| 22:58.12 | sirius | sid, sivik: also when i try to do ifdown eth1 it says eth1 not configured |
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| 22:58.35 | eoLit | stew: ???? i've downloaded the .deb package from ftp2.de.debian.org ! |
| 22:58.43 | stew | eoLit: what url? |
| 22:58.58 | stew | eoLit: http://volatile.debian.net/debian-volatile/dists/sarge/volatile/main/binary-i386/Packages <- that is the volatile package list afaik |
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| 23:00.14 | eoLit | stew: umm, now im really lost :p what did i download? ftp2.de.debian.org is listed as a mirror |
| 23:00.49 | stew | eoLit: the apt-cache policy output you gave me before didnt' list your volatile as providing a amavisd-new version either |
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| 23:01.02 | sirius | stew, sid, sivik: says when i type ping 192.168.0.1 or 103 network unreachable, but when i was doing the install i was downloading files fine this time ? |
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| 23:01.26 | sirius | stew: also when i try to do ifdown eth1 it says eth1 not configured |
| 23:01.29 | Sivik | sirius: then their network is down |
| 23:01.30 | stew | eoLit: compare your pastebin to the output of "apt-cache policy amavisd-new" when you have a main mirror and you'll see what i mean, |
| 23:01.42 | sirius | sivik: thats my network 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:01.44 | Sivik | sirius: can you ping www.google.com or anything else? |
| 23:01.50 | sirius | sivik: no |
| 23:01.50 | Sivik | sirius: ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:01.57 | stew | sirius: how did you bring the eth1 interface up? with dhclient or ifconfig or something? |
| 23:02.26 | Sivik | sirius: ifconfig eth0 up |
| 23:02.27 | sirius | stew: 127 ping works i didnt bring it up |
| 23:02.28 | tarzeau | widrone: www.linuks.mine.nu/uapt/ |
| 23:02.30 | Sivik | sirius: try that |
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| 23:03.18 | Mutiny | what's the meta package to install the latest gnome desktop environment with metacity, etc? |
| 23:03.25 | sirius | sivik: still says network is unreachable |
| 23:03.37 | Sivik | sirius: you really can't ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:03.46 | Sivik | run sudo ifconfig eth0 up and then ifup eth0 |
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| 23:04.16 | Sivik | and then try and ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:04.22 | sirius | sivik: i can ping 127.0.0.1 that works |
| 23:04.33 | Sivik | ok |
| 23:04.38 | Sivik | try pinging www.google.com |
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| 23:05.06 | Mutiny | dpkg, gnome? |
| 23:05.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 23:05.17 | Mutiny | dpkg, install gnome? |
| 23:05.18 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 23:05.34 | widrone | tarzeau: Got it, bit busy the next 20 min. But Ill get round to having a look before long. |
| 23:05.38 | eoLit | stew: i see what you mean, but im really puzzled now as to where i downloaded the .deb ... i'm positive it must have been from an official mirror, as i want to use it on a production machine |
| 23:05.51 | stew | eoLit: you probably downloaded a version from testing |
| 23:06.00 | tarzeau | widrone: try to install links2 and run it , it's really fun |
| 23:06.10 | tarzeau | widrone: i was so fed up with systems without software |
| 23:06.28 | eoLit | stew:now thats going to be purged from my machine! :p |
| 23:06.44 | sirius | sivik: ping www.google.com = unknown host and also ifup eth1 <-- says it cant get DHCP |
| 23:06.45 | widrone | tarzeau: Gonna try it and then never show it to my users... :P |
| 23:06.47 | stew | eoLit: if you need a newer version than the one on stable /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; or check /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 23:07.00 | tarzeau | widrone: haha , i'll post it to /. |
| 23:07.10 | Sivik | sirius: do you have a home network or anything or are you just connecting to your isp? |
| 23:07.28 | sirius | Sivik: i am on a home network that same computer has windows on it and works fine |
| 23:07.40 | Mutiny | my brand new fresh sarge install says that there is no 'gnome' package. :( |
| 23:07.44 | sirius | Sivik: i also did the net install cd which worked fine |
| 23:07.46 | Mutiny | but other packages refer to it? |
| 23:07.56 | eoLit | stew: i would like a newer version of amavis, but as i want the stablest version possible |
| 23:08.00 | Mutiny | dpkg, install gnome? |
| 23:08.00 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 23:08.01 | Sivik | sirius: then you just haven't set up your ethernet correctly yet |
| 23:08.15 | sirius | Sivik: k How i do that lol :( |
| 23:08.24 | Sivik | sirius: not sure, get sid or stew to help you |
| 23:08.31 | sirius | lol |
| 23:08.39 | itchi | For software RAID1 is that good to use one partition of 80GB? Or is best to split it in two parts? It's only to store some data on it, i not go to install the os on it |
| 23:08.43 | sirius | Sid, stew: you there |
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| 23:08.51 | stew | not for long, i'm going to a movie |
| 23:09.11 | sirius | stew: real quick how do i setup my ethernet lol |
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| 23:09.14 | eoLit | stew: thanks for the help man :) |
| 23:09.28 | stew | sirius: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 23:09.28 | sirius | stew: is there like a ifconfigure eth1 command ? |
| 23:09.31 | azeem | sirius: don't bug people, ask specific questions to the channel |
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| 23:10.26 | itchi | So i have actuall 3 disk. the first hda1 of 40 GB for the os and home. And the 2 others i go to prepare it to use RAID1. I have read some articles on the net, and the most install his os in an raid system. So is it good like it go to do it? |
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| 23:11.18 | itchi | The 2 others disk i have place it on hdb and on hdc. So there are 2 disk on the first ide. Is that bad? Like the 2 RAID1 disk are not on the same ide |
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| 23:12.50 | sirius | I am having trouble getting my ethernet connection working any suggestions ? How do i configure it ? |
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| 23:13.16 | itchi | sirius: What are you're troubles exactly? |
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| 23:13.38 | creature | Hello everyone. I used to be able to sync my Palm with my system but now I can't, even though I have the usbserial and visor modules loaded. It's possible that apt-get has changed something and I don't know what, but it could be something else entirely. Any ideas? |
| 23:13.42 | Sivik | itchi: he's not getting dhcp when he is ifup eth0 |
| 23:13.47 | sirius | itchi: my network connection is not working lol it worked when i did the net install cd but now i can get out to anything |
| 23:13.57 | lith | How do i _only_ allow a user ftp access and only his own home directory? |
| 23:14.14 | jjazz | sirius: what happens if you try to bring the connection up with dhclient? |
| 23:14.21 | itchi | sirius: Have you an dhcp client installed? |
| 23:14.34 | sirius | jjazz: havent tried |
| 23:14.36 | gavagai | lith, set their shell in /etc/password to /bin/false, and chroot the ftp server in its config file so they can't leave their home. that is my approach anyway |
| 23:14.38 | sirius | itchi: not sure |
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| 23:14.51 | itchi | !dhcp client |
| 23:14.51 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
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| 23:14.57 | jjazz | sirius: Give it a try with dhclient or pump. |
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| 23:15.20 | sirius | jjazz: dhclient does same thing |
| 23:15.29 | jjazz | sirius: What is the thing it does? |
| 23:15.59 | sirius | jazz: doesnt work says something like no dhcpoffers recieved |
| 23:16.10 | jjazz | sirius: Wired or wireless? |
| 23:16.16 | sirius | jjazz: wired |
| 23:16.20 | itchi | apt-cache search dhclient show me nothings |
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| 23:17.10 | lith | gavagai: But when i change the shell to /bin/false, denys access to login. |
| 23:17.18 | jjazz | itchi: It's in dhcp-client |
| 23:17.20 | lith | gavagai: when i cahgne it back to /bin/bash it works fine :( |
| 23:17.38 | jjazz | sirius: did you check the physical connections? Is there a dhcp server on the netwrok? |
| 23:17.42 | itchi | jjazz: Yeah, that's looks beter |
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| 23:18.31 | Sivik | this bloody rlc850 is being a pain in the butt |
| 23:18.35 | sirius | jjazz: im running ubuntu with DHCP that machine also has windows on it and gets internet fine all other computers work fine |
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| 23:19.00 | Sivik | sirius: you still don't have it set up correctly then, or the nic card itself has gone bad |
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| 23:19.34 | sirius | sivik: that same machine dual boots windows and the internet works fine so the nic card is not bad i think its just not setup correctly |
| 23:19.36 | jjazz | sirius: If you're running ubuntu, you should really be asking for help at #ubuntu |
| 23:19.47 | Sivik | sirius: very well |
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| 23:19.51 | sirius | jjazz: im trying to get debian to work on another machine |
| 23:19.53 | amphi | sirius: please don't say 'nic card' ;) |
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| 23:20.05 | sirius | jjazz: im talking to you on my ubuntu machine |
| 23:20.10 | Sivik | amphi: why can't he say nic card, its it nasty or something? |
| 23:20.19 | jjazz | sirius: ah. ok. did you check the physical connection? |
| 23:20.25 | sirius | jjazz: yes |
| 23:20.26 | Sivik | amphi: nic = Network Interface Card |
| 23:20.42 | lith | Sivik: what was he talking about? |
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| 23:21.01 | Sivik | lith: amphy said not to say 'nic card' |
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| 23:21.17 | lith | sivik: thats not what i asked you ;) |
| 23:21.27 | wide_awake | is there an easy way to get a Linksys 54g wireless nic to work? |
| 23:21.29 | jjazz | sirius: I'm at a loss. It's sending dhcp requests over the network, but not getting any dhcp offers. |
| 23:21.35 | Sivik | lith: then who were you referring to when you said he |
| 23:21.38 | mackss | daveman, you there? |
| 23:21.45 | jjazz | sirius: If the dhcp server is configured right, then it should work. |
| 23:21.49 | sirius | jjazz: :( |
| 23:21.51 | lith | sivik: sirius |
| 23:21.53 | adggg | help, I'm in GRUB and can't get debian booted |
| 23:21.55 | lith | doesnt matter |
| 23:22.10 | Sivik | sirius: hes having issues with his network and DHCP |
| 23:22.29 | azeem | adggg: learn to post error messages if you want help |
| 23:22.31 | sirius | Maybe i can try doing static again |
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| 23:22.39 | Sivik | sirius: but you can't do 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:22.51 | sirius | Sivik: i cant ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:22.57 | sirius | Sivik: i can ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:23.06 | adggg | azeem: "Filename must be either an aboslute pathname or blocklist" |
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| 23:23.16 | Sivik | sirius: then there is just something wrong with getting the dhcp to regonize that computer or the interface |
| 23:23.22 | adggg | azeem: trying to invoke kernel? |
| 23:23.32 | Sivik | sirius: can you ping any other comuters on that network |
| 23:23.39 | azeem | adggg: did you edit menu.lst? |
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| 23:23.40 | sirius | Sivik: no |
| 23:23.52 | Sivik | sirius: then the interface isn't configured right in the os |
| 23:23.58 | adggg | azeem: yes, I edited it, but incorrectly, so now I'm in grub |
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| 23:24.09 | azeem | adggg: you can edit it there as well |
| 23:24.13 | jjazz | Sivik: He should be able to ping other boxes on the network even before he gets dhcp? |
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| 23:24.27 | adggg | azeem: not sure what to edit it to |
| 23:24.29 | JackUTR | how can i setup yum in debian ? |
| 23:24.33 | Sivik | jjazz: thats only if it assigns him a ip address |
| 23:24.42 | azeem | adggg: why did you edit it in the first place? |
| 23:24.48 | sirius | sivik jjazz: when i try to ping other computers it says network is unreachable |
| 23:25.07 | Sivik | sirius: then that probably means the subnetwork address aren't the same |
| 23:25.08 | adggg | azeem: newbie that I am, I had to reinstall XP, so GRUB disappeared |
| 23:25.08 | thingfish | JackUTR: are you trolling? |
| 23:25.12 | amphi | JackUTR: why do you want yum? |
| 23:25.31 | JackUTR | how can i setup yum in debian ?? |
| 23:25.32 | adggg | azeem: need to know how to invoke debian correctly |
| 23:25.39 | thingfish | JackUTR: apt-get is infinitely better than yum. |
| 23:25.46 | Sivik | thats so true |
| 23:25.53 | sirius | sivik: ? |
| 23:26.10 | Sivik | sirius: what does your ifconfig eth0 say currently |
| 23:26.13 | adggg | but I don't know exactly where it is |
| 23:26.16 | azeem | adggg: just run grub-install from a LiveCD then, don't edit menu.lst |
| 23:26.29 | azeem | adggg: try tab-complete |
| 23:26.45 | azeem | anyway, I'm off to bed, ask the whole chan when you have further questions/comments |
| 23:26.56 | thingfish | nite azeem, thanks for all you do. |
| 23:27.08 | sirius | sivik: i cant show you are you looking for something ? |
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| 23:27.28 | Sivik | the Mask address, are they the same on all the computers? |
| 23:27.29 | JackUTR | thingfish , i must setup yum , can u help me or send me a link about this ? |
| 23:27.40 | sirius | sivik: sec |
| 23:27.42 | thingfish | JackUTR: hardy har har. no. |
| 23:27.53 | Sivik | and what is your IP address on that machine |
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| 23:27.55 | jjazz | JackUTR: why do you need yum? |
| 23:27.57 | mackss | I am getting a JVM error on my box. Can someone help me fix this problem? "No suitable Java Virtual Machine could be found on your system. |
| 23:27.57 | mackss | The version of the JVM must be at least 1.5. |
| 23:27.57 | mackss | Please define INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME to point to a suitable JVM. |
| 23:27.57 | mackss | You can also try to delete the JVM cache file /home/mack/.install4j" |
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| 23:28.04 | Daveman | :p |
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| 23:28.07 | mackss | :-/ |
| 23:28.12 | Daveman | hey mackss :) |
| 23:28.15 | thingfish | he's got to be trolling. |
| 23:28.19 | jjazz | !tell mackss about pastebin |
| 23:28.27 | thingfish | nobody is that dumb. |
| 23:28.37 | Sivik | mackss: are you trying to run something that java in ff? |
| 23:28.45 | mackss | sorry :-/ |
| 23:28.47 | jjazz | thingfish: maybe it's his first time not on a redhat box |
| 23:28.53 | mackss | Daveman, heya :D |
| 23:28.56 | Daveman | :) |
| 23:28.57 | thingfish | jjazz: yeah, maybe I guess. |
| 23:29.01 | jjazz | thingfish: regardless, unless he explains what he's trying to do, he's not going to get much help here. |
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| 23:29.06 | mackss | Sivik, yes I am trying to run wildfire server |
| 23:29.14 | thingfish | jjazz: yeah I kinda thought that, too. |
| 23:29.16 | sirius | sivik:im doing a reboot its not giving me a ip and not telling me a mask address when i do ifconfig |
| 23:29.16 | Sivik | mackss: so what does that have to do with java? |
| 23:29.26 | mackss | Sivik, it's java based |
| 23:29.29 | Sivik | sirius: then the interface is still netset right |
| 23:29.33 | adggg | can a good samaritan take a look here: http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=6961 |
| 23:29.35 | Sivik | mackss: ok, then i'm not sure |
| 23:29.48 | adggg | this is my GRUB menu.lst <<not working>> :( |
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| 23:29.59 | mackss | Sivik, i am not sure which JVM package i need to install. I looked at the package list and there's soo many :-/ |
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| 23:30.28 | mackss | most seemed to be development kits...which i wouldn't have thought i needed |
| 23:30.45 | Sivik | mackss: try Jamvm |
| 23:30.58 | sirius | Sivik: ifconfig list eth1 and lo and nothing about ip address nor mask |
| 23:30.58 | Sivik | mackss, apt-get install jamvm |
| 23:31.06 | Sivik | sirius: try restarting |
| 23:31.17 | sirius | sivik: thats what i just did lol |
| 23:31.23 | creature | I'd really appreciate some help with my Palm. Despite having the usbcore and visor modules loaded it doesn't appear in dmesg when I push the hotsync button, and it should. |
| 23:31.31 | Sivik | sirius: ok, did you install the dhclient? |
| 23:31.34 | jjazz | adggg: I don't know much about grub (thankfully, I don't dual boot), but dpgk has instructions. Try /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 23:31.37 | Sivik | sirius: apt-get install dhclient |
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| 23:31.43 | sirius | Sivik: sec |
| 23:31.50 | jjazz | Sivik: the package is dhcp-client |
| 23:31.55 | Sivik | jjazz: sorry |
| 23:31.59 | thingfish | JackUTR: irani hastid? |
| 23:32.06 | adggg | jjazz, yes, I tried those instructions, they don't help with menu.lst |
| 23:32.08 | jjazz | Sivik: No apologies. I'm just tring to help. |
| 23:32.13 | jjazz | adggg: Ah. Ok. |
| 23:32.14 | Sivik | jjazz: yeah |
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| 23:32.29 | JackUTR | thingfish , are |
| 23:32.33 | thingfish | :) |
| 23:32.53 | adggg | jjazz: not only that, they don't help if you don't know how to invoke your debian partition |
| 23:33.10 | thingfish | JackUTR: use apt-get. it works very much the same as yum, only better. |
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| 23:33.34 | Sivik | JackUTR: i have to agree with thingfish, yum sucks compared to apt-get |
| 23:33.36 | jjazz | adggg: If you can improve the instructions, go for it. Like I said, I am ignorant of grub. The last time I delved into such things, LILO was the standard. |
| 23:33.37 | sirius | Sivik: YYAYYYYA lol i just typed dhclient to see if it worked and now my connection works lol |
| 23:33.49 | thingfish | JackUTR: for example, apt-get install mysql (or whatever) |
| 23:33.51 | Sivik | sirius: yw |
| 23:33.55 | jjazz | sirius: yay |
| 23:34.04 | sirius | Sivik: lol now i need to get xserver working lol |
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| 23:34.13 | Sivik | sirius: what kind of card? |
| 23:34.24 | adggg | jjazz: don't take it as a complaint by any means, I am just too low level to understand the instructions |
| 23:34.25 | sirius | Sivik: ati x800 |
| 23:34.27 | sid | sirius: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:34.30 | thingfish | my best friend in college was from abadan, JackUTR. |
| 23:34.32 | sid | sirius: Choose "vesa" as the driver. |
| 23:34.32 | Sivik | sirius: have fun, x800 sucks |
| 23:34.38 | sid | sirius: Use the defaults for everything else. |
| 23:34.41 | JackUTR | thingfish , shoma ham irani hasti ? |
| 23:34.42 | jjazz | sirius: No, you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces so your connection comes up reliably. |
| 23:34.45 | Sivik | Sivik: ati is hard to handle in linux |
| 23:34.46 | sirius | sid: i did that and never asked me for driver choice |
| 23:34.52 | adggg | jjazz: but I do know that the instructions don't explain how to edit the menu.lst |
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| 23:35.05 | itsmorefun | hello |
| 23:35.07 | thingfish | JackUTR: no, I'm just an american guy. |
| 23:35.07 | itsmorefun | need help |
| 23:35.14 | jjazz | adggg: Fair enough. |
| 23:35.16 | itsmorefun | i have this: Apache/2.0.55 (Ubuntu) |
| 23:35.24 | itsmorefun | and i want apache 2.2 |
| 23:35.31 | itsmorefun | fot large files supprt |
| 23:35.33 | sirius | jjazz: what do i need to put into it ? |
| 23:35.39 | mackss | Sivik, after installing that package i still get the same error |
| 23:35.48 | Sivik | mackss, then that probably wasn't the right one |
| 23:35.49 | jjazz | !tell sirius about man interfaces |
| 23:36.02 | itsmorefun | no idea? |
| 23:36.11 | Sivik | mackss: try installing mono and see if that works |
| 23:36.12 | Craigevil | itsmorefun head over to #ubuntu |
| 23:36.15 | sid | There is a package in my repository for apt, and when I do apt-get install package, it says already the newest version. How can I download the package anyway? |
| 23:36.17 | Sivik | mackss; scratch that |
| 23:36.22 | mackss | hrm |
| 23:36.34 | sid | I do apt-get -d install package, but it still says I already have the latest version. |
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| 23:36.40 | jjazz | adggg: Well, google is your friend, but failing that, I'd comment out the Windows stuff. Try to pare it down to just the lies you need. Then follow a model you find via google. |
| 23:36.52 | Sivik | mackss: try java-common |
| 23:36.57 | Sivik | mackss: apt-get install java-common |
| 23:37.10 | sirius | when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg there is no place to choose the vesa driver ? |
| 23:37.20 | itsmorefun | in #ubuntu there is only newbizq |
| 23:37.28 | Sivik | sirius: just go into the /etc/X11 and edit the xorg.conf file |
| 23:37.35 | sirius | Sivik: okay |
| 23:37.50 | Sivik | sirius: change where it says driver from ati to vesa and then restart x |
| 23:37.56 | Sivik | sirius: to see if that works |
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| 23:38.30 | itsmorefun | exit |
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| 23:38.49 | sirius | Sivik: works Thanks in gnome now :D |
| 23:39.07 | mackss | Sivik, how do i get rid of the jamvm? |
| 23:39.12 | mada | anyone know where i can find a full repository for amd64 |
| 23:39.26 | thingfish | mada: ask in #debian-amd64 |
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| 23:40.00 | sid | How can I apt-get download something, even though it's not the latest version? |
| 23:40.10 | Sivik | mackss: apt-get remove jamvm |
| 23:40.25 | thingfish | sid: something like apt-get install package=version# |
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| 23:40.42 | thingfish | sid: man apt-get for the for-sure correct answer. |
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| 23:41.07 | mackss | Sivik, "java-common is already the newest version." |
| 23:41.33 | thingfish | yay burgers on the grill |
| 23:41.35 | wide_awake | what's the command to reconfigure an apt package? |
| 23:41.42 | tarzeau | widrone: reload www.linuks.mine.nu/uapt/ now with search and show |
| 23:41.42 | mackss | sivik, what about apt-get install java-package ? |
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| 23:42.28 | Sivik | mackss: try that |
| 23:42.55 | sid | thingfish: hmm, I can't find that in man apt-get, but it's working. |
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| 23:43.02 | Xenguy | wide_awake: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:43.15 | wide_awake | Xenguy: thanks |
| 23:43.19 | Xenguy | wide_awake: yw |
| 23:43.44 | Sivik | how do i get the nvidia to install in debian? |
| 23:43.49 | mackss | Sivik, no suck package :-/ |
| 23:43.57 | thingfish | !tell Sivik about nvidia one-liner |
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| 23:44.05 | Sivik | thingfish, i have already tried that |
| 23:44.15 | thingfish | Sivik: well why didn't it work for you? |
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| 23:44.32 | thingfish | Sivik: you have a really new card? |
| 23:44.46 | Sivik | thingfish: yes |
| 23:44.49 | Sivik | pci-e |
| 23:44.53 | adggg | is there a grub guru in the house who can look at this for me? http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=6961 |
| 23:44.54 | thingfish | Sivik: on sarge? or etch? or sid? |
| 23:45.00 | rxed | Is there a way to block flash ads in firefox? |
| 23:45.04 | Sivik | thingfish: not sure, i think sarge |
| 23:45.10 | Sivik | 2.6.8-3 |
| 23:45.27 | thingfish | Sivik: yeah well I'm not sure that sarge supports pci-e cards. |
| 23:45.49 | Sivik | thingfish: thats one of the many reasons why i'm trying to upgrade the bloody kernel but i can't do it |
| 23:45.54 | Sivik | i never have the correct crap installed |
| 23:46.10 | thingfish | Sivik: the kernel's not the thing...xfree86/xorg is. |
| 23:46.21 | Sivik | thingfish: how do i upgrade the xorg thing |
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| 23:46.29 | mackss | Sivik, i just read this look at the 6th post from the top. Does it really have to be this messy to install wildfire? http://www.jivesoftware.org/community/thread.jspa?messageID=116779𜠫 |
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| 23:46.51 | thingfish | Sivik: well backports has it, but then at least on my machine it wants to remove gnome. heh. you could try installing etch. |
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| 23:47.16 | Sivik | thingfish: how do i install etch? |
| 23:47.23 | mada | ok, nobody is responding in debian-amd64 ... but i got the new official mirror, but i can't install gnome or X or anything graphical ... everything says its uninstallable ???? |
| 23:47.23 | Craigevil | use the netinstaller |
| 23:47.26 | thingfish | I knew you were going to ask that. |
| 23:47.26 | Sivik | thingfish: by upgrade or something |
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| 23:47.37 | thingfish | oh that would be the easiest way, Sivik. |
| 23:47.38 | mada | Sivik: you runnin sarge now? |
| 23:47.43 | Sivik | mada: i guess |
| 23:47.56 | Sivik | mada: i guess its sarge |
| 23:47.59 | usual | is it possible that having acpi enabled when i install debian that the nics would be identified but may not work properly? |
| 23:48.02 | Sivik | mada: i'm running a 2.6.8-3 kernel |
| 23:48.09 | mada | Sivik: edit your sources.list file and then update & upgrade |
| 23:48.12 | thingfish | Sivik: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all instances of sarge/stable with etch/testing |
| 23:48.18 | Sivik | ok |
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| 23:48.31 | thingfish | then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:48.47 | thingfish | although first you might want to install the etch kernel...I would at least. |
| 23:48.53 | mada | thingfish: you know anything about why the amd64 official repo is broken? |
| 23:48.54 | Sivik | thingfish: i don't have sarge stated anywhere in the sources.list |
| 23:49.08 | mada | Sivik: then what do you have? |
| 23:49.10 | thingfish | mada: sure don't, did you ask in #debian-amd64? |
| 23:49.18 | Sivik | mada: all it says is stable main |
| 23:49.20 | mada | thingfish: yeah, 64 users ... 0 talking |
| 23:49.22 | thingfish | Sivik: what does it say, then? |
| 23:49.33 | mada | Sivik: then just erase that and replace it with testing |
| 23:49.33 | Sivik | thingfish, just told mada |
| 23:49.37 | Sivik | ok |
| 23:49.42 | thingfish | Sivik: ok cool, just replace 'stable' with 'testing'/ |
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| 23:50.26 | thingfish | I would do it like this, Sivik: install etch's kernel, then boot to it, then apt-get install xorg, then apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 23:50.26 | Sivik | thingfish: there we go |
| 23:50.35 | eric__ | hi all |
| 23:50.48 | Sivik | thingfish: ok |
| 23:50.49 | thingfish | someone correct me if that's crappy advice. |
| 23:50.59 | Sivik | thingfish: so run apt-get install kernel |
| 23:51.08 | Sivik | thingfish, how do i install the new kernel |
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| 23:51.42 | sirius | For the Ati x800 Which FireGL Driver do i download ? |
| 23:51.50 | thingfish | Sivik: after you edit sources.list and apt-get update, do apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 and see what kernel fits your system. |
| 23:51.56 | Sivik | ok |
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| 23:52.25 | eric__ | I have a weird issue with X forwarding. I'm connecting to a solaris server to x forward some applications. when I run a gnome application it don't work, however kde and lightweight applications like xcalc works. I don't think it's solaris-related since when I boot the x server with knoppix, it works, however when I boot it with my debian install, gnome applications blows.. anyone have a clue ? |
| 23:52.41 | Sivik | thingfish: i need the 686 correct |
| 23:52.56 | thingfish | Sivik: I don't know - I don't know what system you're running. |
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| 23:53.08 | rxed | I need to copy my home and etc dirs on fat32 backup partition. what's the best way to do this? |
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| 23:53.22 | VolVE | hey all, new Sarge system, when I'm reading data via Samba shares, occasionally the transfer will stall and if I watch top the wait % jumps to 99.x... any ideas anyone? :( |
| 23:53.23 | thingfish | Sivik: 686 for most modern pentium II> systems. |
| 23:53.51 | Sivik | thingfish: ok, i have a 64-bit machine but its hard to get the plugins for ff to work with the 64-bit system |
| 23:54.00 | Sivik | thingfish: download the image right |
| 23:54.03 | thingfish | yeah Sivik I've heard that. |
| 23:54.12 | thingfish | Sivik: what image? no. |
| 23:54.22 | Sivik | thingfish: ok, then what do i need to download? |
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| 23:54.34 | Sivik | thingfish: the headers or the image |
| 23:54.34 | thingfish | Sivik: did you already edit sources.list? |
| 23:54.42 | thingfish | oh I see, nm. |
| 23:54.52 | Sivik | thingfish: yes, changed everything to testing and did a apt-get update |
| 23:54.54 | thingfish | get the linux-image one |
| 23:55.06 | Sivik | thingfish: ok |
| 23:55.10 | thingfish | Sivik: it never hurts to have the headers too, though. |
| 23:55.28 | Sivik | thingfish: ok |
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| 23:55.41 | WIng-Zero | hi al |
| 23:55.44 | WIng-Zero | all |
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| 23:56.00 | Sivik | thingfish: now i'm downloading all the crap |
| 23:56.08 | thingfish | Sivik: maybe I should've warned you that this is probably not the best time to be upgrading to etch. |
| 23:56.11 | WIng-Zero | cab sumone help me setup my pureftpd |
| 23:56.12 | WIng-Zero | ? |
| 23:56.17 | WIng-Zero | can* |
| 23:56.21 | Sivik | thingfish: why do you say that? |
| 23:56.30 | thingfish | Sivik: wiki.debian.org/Status |
| 23:56.31 | MrBallZ | hi, any one knows , about a " how to setup a wiki " page ... I want to setup a wiki in my server for data colaboration ... |
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| 23:56.41 | Ronin | WIng-Zero: its not that hard www.pureftpd.com as i recall |
| 23:57.10 | thingfish | Sivik: do you use gnome? |
| 23:57.11 | Sivik | thingfish: oh well |
| 23:57.17 | Sivik | thingfish: yes |
| 23:57.22 | thingfish | ok nm |
| 23:57.34 | Sivik | thingfish: unless enlightenment becomes stable |
| 23:57.43 | WIng-Zero | ronin: i did most of the setup . just need help witha few things |
| 23:57.46 | thingfish | Sivik: it looks like there might be workarounds, mentioned in the wiki. |
| 23:57.47 | Sivik | thingfish: i would much rather use that |
| 23:57.57 | Sivik | thingfish: for what, the unstable kernel? |
| 23:57.58 | h3xis | im running etch and trying to install nvidia drivers. whenever i try to install nvidia-glx it tells me i need xserver-common. i try to install that and it says i need x11-common, which i have, but it says it's not the latest version |
| 23:58.02 | thingfish | Sivik: yeah well you probably shouldn't hold your breath. |
| 23:58.06 | evilbulgarian | hi, does anyone know of a way to expose a news group chaching server to an web application via lets say RSS or SOAP? |
| 23:58.12 | Sivik | thingfish: oh well |
| 23:58.20 | Sivik | thingfish: i will just upgrade |
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| 23:59.03 | Sivik | thingfish: hold my breath on what part? |
| 23:59.31 | *** part/#debian rosminet (n=toto@nly93-1-82-232-75-91.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 23:59.34 | Sivik | thingfish: since when did debian support enligthenment in apt-get |
| 23:59.35 | thingfish | Sivik: well come on, I mean it can't have much resources devoted to it because it's just not used that much. |
| 23:59.41 | WIng-Zero | ronin: you think u can help |
| 23:59.42 | WIng-Zero | ? |
| 23:59.50 | Sivik | thingfish: ok |
| 23:59.54 | exobyte | I'm looking for a program that can block phone calls based on the phone number. I've seen programs like this for windows |
| 23:59.59 | thingfish | Sivik: oh I didn't mean that it was in debian. although for all I know it could be. |
