| 00:00.06 | lazzarello | exobyte, Asterisk |
| 00:00.14 | Sivik | thingfish: you lost me, i can't figure out what your talking about |
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| 00:00.38 | thingfish | Sivik: enlightenment is in debian. |
| 00:00.44 | Sivik | thingfish: ok |
| 00:00.45 | stoned | !opengl |
| 00:00.45 | dpkg | well, opengl is (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html. There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about mesa |
| 00:00.49 | Sivik | thingfish: what do you mean its in debian? |
| 00:00.51 | Ronin | WIng-Zero: no one can until you tell us the problem but have you tried #pureftpd |
| 00:00.58 | Sivik | thingfish: the fact that i can download it via apt-get? |
| 00:01.08 | Hackel | Can anyone suggest a better way to do this (that actually works!): for $file in *.png; do convert $file `basename "$file" .png`.jpg; done |
| 00:01.10 | exobyte | lazzarello: off to google. thank you |
| 00:01.12 | stoned | Sivik, debian 'main' respository |
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| 00:01.21 | thingfish | Sivik: when someone says, "it's in debian" that means that there is an existing debian package for it, installable via apt-get. |
| 00:01.32 | Sivik | thingfish: didn't know that, sorry |
| 00:01.50 | Sivik | thingfish: is that e16 or e17 supported in debian? |
| 00:01.57 | thingfish | Sivik: Debian has over 15,000 prepared packages ready to install. |
| 00:01.57 | Sivik | thingfish: it just says enlightenment |
| 00:01.58 | WIng-Zero | ronin: i trieed #pureftpd |
| 00:02.01 | WIng-Zero | no one home |
| 00:02.03 | Sivik | thingfish: ok |
| 00:02.11 | Sivik | thingfish: but i didn't know that enlightenment was already included |
| 00:02.19 | Sivik | thingfish: i love enlight |
| 00:02.27 | thingfish | Sivik: it looks like it's version 16 |
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| 00:02.52 | thingfish | gotta go get hamburger buns! oh god I can't wait I love hamburgers cooked out on the grill. |
| 00:02.59 | setog3 | thingfish: you can use the shadoi reposoteries to have e17 in debian |
| 00:03.06 | chaedaeX | anyone know how to AND two ip addresses in an iptables expression? |
| 00:03.12 | thingfish | setog3: cool tell Sivik that. |
| 00:03.20 | setog3 | thingfish: sorry |
| 00:03.25 | thingfish | heh np |
| 00:03.26 | Sivik | setof3: how |
| 00:03.34 | Sivik | setog3: i love enligthenment |
| 00:04.05 | exobyte | lazzarello: is it for voip? |
| 00:04.12 | setog3 | sivik : try shadoi soulemachine in google or #e or debian e17 in google |
| 00:04.19 | Sivik | ok |
| 00:04.28 | Sivik | thingfish: did you leave already? |
| 00:04.31 | lazzarello | exobyte, how else will you use software to do that? |
| 00:04.43 | Sivik | thingfish: i'm having issues with it installing the new kernel image |
| 00:04.52 | WIng-Zero | ronin: my problem with pureftpd, its i cant login after i make auser, im tryin to get an auth running but not workin |
| 00:05.27 | Ronin | WIng-Zero: what do the log files say? |
| 00:05.58 | Sivik | setog3: can i get some help with the new kernel image |
| 00:06.14 | exobyte | lazzarello: when the caller id is something, pick up and hang up |
| 00:06.18 | setog3 | sure what is your problem ? |
| 00:06.25 | Sivik | http://pastebin.com/768767 |
| 00:06.55 | Sivik | setog3: thats the problem |
| 00:07.46 | WIng-Zero | ronin: which log files do i wanna read |
| 00:08.05 | Ronin | the pureftp ones of course |
| 00:08.15 | Sivik | does that make sense setog3 |
| 00:08.25 | Ronin | and before you ask no i dont know where they are but likely /var/log/ somewhere |
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| 00:08.45 | beetlepun_ | is there support for EAP for a client joining a network? currently my school has a faq for winbloze, but I'm seeing if i can connect with linux.. is this possible? |
| 00:09.21 | Sivik | i'm having issues with upgrading a kernel image, http://pastebin.com/768767 |
| 00:09.23 | setog3 | Sivik not sure, unstable ? , do you try apt-get install -f, and read the list bug of udev ? |
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| 00:10.01 | m0dY | and idea how to resume a file copied through scp ?? |
| 00:10.22 | Sivik | setog3, when i ran that, it asked if i wanted to remove the current running kernel |
| 00:10.36 | creature | I'd really appreciate some help with my Palm. Despite having the usbcore and visor modules loaded it doesn't appear in dmesg when I push the hotsync button, and it should. |
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| 00:10.54 | tarzeau | m0dY: again you can't |
| 00:10.57 | tarzeau | m0dY: use rsync |
| 00:10.57 | yassine | hi folks |
| 00:11.16 | m0dY | tarzeau, how to do it by rsync |
| 00:11.17 | yassine | any one here can play realone files with totem ? |
| 00:11.26 | m0dY | ive been tryin 2 hours till now by rsync |
| 00:11.29 | tarzeau | m0dY: www.linuks.mine.nu/rsync/ |
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| 00:11.49 | tarzeau | m0dY: the first two lines are relevant for you |
| 00:12.07 | m0dY | okay |
| 00:12.07 | Sivik | setog3: when i run the apt-get install -f, it asks to remove the current running kernel |
| 00:12.13 | Sivik | setog3: is that correct? |
| 00:12.17 | setog3 | Sivik and what you answer |
| 00:12.30 | m0dY | ill try them now |
| 00:13.04 | Sivik | setog3: no, cause won't i lose the current session? |
| 00:13.04 | rxed | How can I rsync /home to fat32 partition 'dos'? |
| 00:13.14 | tarzeau | rxed: ugh... |
| 00:13.38 | rxed | tarzeau: yes? |
| 00:13.41 | tarzeau | rxed: just do it, but you'll lose permissions/owner/group |
| 00:13.45 | WIng-Zero | ronin: i found the log |
| 00:13.50 | WIng-Zero | can i pm u to show u |
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| 00:14.05 | magyar | hello |
| 00:14.08 | rxed | tarzeau: i want only changed files to get copied. |
| 00:14.15 | rxed | tarzeau: and so far that bit didn't work. |
| 00:14.17 | m0dY | tarzeau: so i run the rsync on the box having the original file or the un-completed one ? |
| 00:14.22 | tarzeau | rxed: it didn't work? |
| 00:14.37 | tarzeau | rxed: on which machine do you run rsync? how exactly? |
| 00:14.48 | tarzeau | m0dY: it doesn't matter where, just do it right |
| 00:15.02 | rxed | tarzeau: it's one hda with two partitions. |
| 00:15.06 | Sivik | setog3: how do i fix an error with locale |
| 00:15.06 | m0dY | okay |
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| 00:16.35 | WIng-Zero | ronin: |
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| 00:17.23 | rxed | tarzeau: how do you backup with rsync? |
| 00:17.34 | tarzeau | rxed: just do it? |
| 00:17.40 | rxed | tarzeau: incremental backup that is. |
| 00:17.40 | magyar | i did an update to a system from mandrake 2005 to etch. Have two network cards. Etch detected one as realtek the other intel pro 100. Realtek comes up ok but the e100 module SIOCSIFADDRESS: no such device |
| 00:17.46 | tarzeau | rxed: yes, just use rsync |
| 00:17.49 | rxed | tarzeau: just do it? you got no clue, do ya? |
| 00:17.58 | Sivik | how do i fix /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.093-1_i386.deb |
| 00:17.59 | tarzeau | rxed: sure i've got a clue |
| 00:18.05 | rxed | tarzeau: lets see it. |
| 00:18.18 | tarzeau | rxed: go read the url i posted above |
| 00:18.26 | tarzeau | and man cron |
| 00:18.38 | rxed | tarzeau: ha, ha... |
| 00:18.48 | magyar | is there a way to redetect networking modules for etch? |
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| 00:19.26 | sirius | anyone up for helping me getting the fglrx Drivers working so i can use 3d Acceleration ? |
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| 00:19.43 | rxed | tarzeau: I got a command for you. dict helpful. |
| 00:19.45 | tarzeau | sirius: www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ |
| 00:20.08 | Sivik | my error is http://pastebin.com/768789 |
| 00:20.25 | tarzeau | rxed: you want to know how *i* do backups? here's how: sync -av -e ssh source:/some/dir/ /some/dir/ |
| 00:20.41 | rxed | tarzeau: phear my google foo. |
| 00:20.53 | tarzeau | rxed: fuck off |
| 00:21.29 | Sivik | how do i fix errors with locale |
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| 00:21.47 | tarzeau | Sivik: can you paste the exact errors? |
| 00:21.51 | Sivik | http://pastebin.com/768789 |
| 00:22.00 | Sivik | tarzeau: i had already done it twice |
| 00:22.04 | adggg | http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=6962 |
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| 00:22.15 | adggg | I have some errors too |
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| 00:22.18 | adggg | :) |
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| 00:22.37 | tarzeau | Sivik: the first command you run is run not as root... |
| 00:22.51 | Sivik | i did it as sudo |
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| 00:23.33 | tarzeau | Sivik: do you have the locale you want in /etc/locale.gen ? |
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| 00:23.44 | tarzeau | Sivik: have you run locale-gen ? |
| 00:23.56 | Sivik | just ran it |
| 00:24.03 | h3xis | is there anyone here who has successfully been able to install nvidia drivers under etch? |
| 00:24.19 | Sivik | tarzeau, same error after running the locale-gen |
| 00:24.23 | tarzeau | h3xis: i've done so with stabel and sid |
| 00:24.26 | magyar | is there a way to redetect networking modules for etch? I have two realtek nics etch is still using the old mobos e100 module SOS |
| 00:24.34 | tarzeau | h3xis: can you give this a try? www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver ? |
| 00:24.37 | h3xis | tarzeau, yeah me too :( it's being a bitch in etch |
| 00:24.45 | tarzeau | Sivik: can i see your /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 00:24.52 | h3xis | thx tarzeau, i'll give it a try |
| 00:24.56 | tarzeau | Sivik: and also locale output? |
| 00:25.17 | sirius | tarzeau: i cant follow that ati.txt file |
| 00:25.18 | tarzeau | magyar: you can rmmod the modules and reload them? |
| 00:25.30 | tarzeau | sirius: because you don't know the real commands for the abbreviations? |
| 00:25.31 | Sivik | tarzeau, en_US ISO-8859-1 |
| 00:25.39 | sirius | tarzeau: i guess |
| 00:26.01 | tarzeau | Sivik: and locale-gen doesn't report any problems? |
| 00:26.14 | Sivik | tarzeau: http://pastebin.com/768803 |
| 00:26.16 | Sivik | tarzeau, no |
| 00:26.26 | h3xis | tarzeau, is there a guide or something that tells me how to use this file? |
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| 00:26.37 | Sivik | Generating locales (this might take a while)... |
| 00:26.37 | Sivik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.37 | Sivik | Generation complete. |
| 00:26.47 | tarzeau | h3xis: the comment in it, put it into /etc/init.d make it chmod +x |
| 00:26.53 | h3xis | oh ok |
| 00:26.58 | VolVE | hey all, is there any way I can get more details on the WA % that top displays? mine seems to be getting very high and stalling the system but I can't figure out why... |
| 00:26.59 | magyar | tarzeau remove the realtek and the e100 modules and modprobe only realtek ? |
| 00:27.08 | yanger | you know, when in a console, you ls --color, what does the blue text with green background mean? |
| 00:27.09 | m0dY | tarzeau: so here's what im doing! #rsync -av --progress /home/un-complete-file.tar.gz serverip:/home/complete-file.tar.gz |
| 00:27.10 | tarzeau | magyar: whatever you think is right, yes |
| 00:27.30 | magyar | tarzeau will it help, ;) |
| 00:27.31 | tarzeau | m0dY: and you are root or a user? |
| 00:27.35 | m0dY | root |
| 00:27.39 | Sivik | tarzeau, does my locale need to be a us iso or something else |
| 00:27.42 | m0dY | :) |
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| 00:27.55 | tarzeau | m0dY: just do: rsync -av --progress /home/un-complete-file.tar.gz serverip:/home/ |
| 00:27.57 | WIng-Zero | can anyone help me with pureftpd |
| 00:28.04 | tarzeau | m0dY: the target filename is different? |
| 00:28.15 | m0dY | tarzeau: no, it's the same |
| 00:28.29 | tarzeau | m0dY: leave it away in the target make sure the target ends with /. what rsync version? |
| 00:28.41 | m0dY | un-complete-file.tar.gz is 39GB and the complete-file.tar.gz is 45GB |
| 00:28.48 | tarzeau | Sivik: no idea, i don't use locales, especially not in the shell |
| 00:28.56 | tarzeau | Sivik: since some translations are way horrible |
| 00:29.04 | m0dY | rsync version 2.6.4 protocol version 29 |
| 00:29.05 | tarzeau | m0dY: ouch |
| 00:29.13 | Sivik | tarzeau: i don't use any others than just english, i don't translate anything |
| 00:29.16 | tarzeau | m0dY: i've had 13 GB files but 45 GB... what is it? |
| 00:29.24 | WIng-Zero | anyone |
| 00:29.24 | WIng-Zero | ? |
| 00:29.36 | dabreegster | WIng-Zero: Ask a specific question about it |
| 00:29.43 | WIng-Zero | ok |
| 00:29.45 | m0dY | and hdd backup recovery file |
| 00:30.03 | WIng-Zero | can sumonne help me setup my authentication for pureftpd |
| 00:30.11 | WIng-Zero | i cant seem to get it working |
| 00:30.41 | m0dY | tarzeau: so the latest line you sent to be run on the machine hosting the completed or un-completed file ? |
| 00:30.52 | m0dY | it's just confusing :( |
| 00:30.55 | adggg | what's a decent rescue disk for debian testing? |
| 00:31.05 | WIng-Zero | ... |
| 00:31.32 | tarzeau | m0dY: the right parameter is the target one since it has an ip:// it's the remote one |
| 00:31.39 | tarzeau | m0dY: you must be on the machine with /home/un-complete-file.tar.gz |
| 00:31.46 | tarzeau | m0dY: no it's not, think about it |
| 00:32.03 | tarzeau | adggg: your own... a live cd is probably good |
| 00:32.13 | m0dY | mmm |
| 00:32.20 | tarzeau | adggg: a backup is better. redundant systems are probably the nicest thing you can have |
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| 00:33.03 | dondelelcaro | apt-rdepends -s Build-Depends -r perl; should also do it |
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| 00:34.45 | m0dY | here's what i fired up now on the machine including un-complete.tar.gz,,, #rsync -av --progress /home/un-complete-file.tar.gz serverip:/home/ |
| 00:34.58 | m0dY | got me this |
| 00:34.58 | m0dY | stdin: is not a tty |
| 00:34.59 | m0dY | building file list ... |
| 00:34.59 | m0dY | 1 file to consider |
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| 00:35.24 | m0dY | damn... |
| 00:35.38 | m0dY | stupid paste |
| 00:35.40 | stoned | !paste |
| 00:35.40 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:36.00 | sparr | can anyone recommend a Free msn / icq / aim / yahoo im client that can block icq spam? |
| 00:36.24 | tonsofpcs | sparr: yes |
| 00:36.35 | dabreegster | sparr: Not necessarily, but bitlbee talks to all of those services I believe. You could filter them out with your IRC client. |
| 00:36.41 | tonsofpcs | sparr: use gaim, block all icq messages that aren't from people on the list |
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| 00:37.08 | adggg | tarzeau: too late for my own |
| 00:37.13 | Agrajag- | sparr: make sure you turn off web presence (licq can do this.. but it doesn't do yahoo, only aim/icq/msn) - that stops lots of spam |
| 00:37.49 | sparr | dabreegster: if i felt like coding the spam blocker i wouldnt go through the trouble of using bitlbee, id just patch gaim |
| 00:37.51 | adggg | I'm DLing this one http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page |
| 00:38.11 | dabreegster | sparr: True. Just an idea. |
| 00:38.27 | m0dY | tarzeau: how to know it's workin up ? |
| 00:38.48 | tarzeau | m0dY: sniff for rsync traffic :) |
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| 00:39.46 | m0dY | # ps uxw|grep rsync |
| 00:39.53 | m0dY | rsync --server -vlogDtpr . /home/ |
| 00:40.10 | m0dY | that's on the machine containing the complete file |
| 00:41.28 | m0dY | and that's on the one i executed the rsync on |
| 00:41.42 | m0dY | rsync -av --progress /home/un-complete.tar.gz serverip:/home/ |
| 00:41.57 | Neptune__ | how do i ad a service to be "autostared" while booting? |
| 00:42.01 | m0dY | ssh serverip rsync --server -vlogDtpr . /home/ |
| 00:42.18 | Neptune__ | autostarted* |
| 00:42.18 | sirius | Anyone know good guides for installing Fglrx Driver for a ati X800 ? |
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| 00:44.50 | tarzeau | sirius: ok let me explain them... |
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| 00:45.58 | sirius | tarzeau: okay |
| 00:46.12 | tarzeau | sirius: reload ati.txt |
| 00:46.19 | sirius | tarzeau: ok |
| 00:46.32 | tarzeau | sirius: clear now? please report if it worked or where it fails for you |
| 00:46.49 | sirius | k sec |
| 00:46.58 | tarzeau | sirius: i've only had one such card, and it just worked... |
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| 00:48.06 | mfrisch | I have woes with amd-64 sid. X will not install and mirrors are missing packages file. What is my course of action it has been this way for at least a month? |
| 00:48.21 | snoops | hey..is it possible to have a type of virtual directory which combines the files and folders from many virtual directories.. like.. sdb1 has a movies, music, games directory, sdb2 has a movies, music and games directory.. can I join both movie directories into one virtual one? |
| 00:49.14 | dabreegster | snoops: There's a special filesystem that can merge directories... I read about it on the Wikipedia, but I can't think of the name. |
| 00:49.34 | basbryan | unionfs? |
| 00:49.38 | dabreegster | That's it |
| 00:50.08 | snoops | that would allow me to merge directories from network shares and ext3 drives? |
| 00:51.04 | snoops | I don't want write access to it..just being able to view all my stuff in one place would be so nice |
| 00:51.25 | sirius | tarzeau: its asking for the binary 1 cd which i dont have lol |
| 00:51.32 | mfrisch | snoops, what about links |
| 00:51.37 | tarzeau | sirius: fix your sources.list then |
| 00:51.45 | sirius | tarzeau: k |
| 00:51.54 | tarzeau | sirius: to use only internet |
| 00:52.43 | snoops | would links allow me to view the contents of two directories on different drives in one folder? |
| 00:53.22 | dabreegster | snoops: If this is for convenience, you could write a frontend to select files for playing and have it list both directories and figure out which one has the right file |
| 00:54.22 | mfrisch | snoops, you could make one main folder with links to the other devices |
| 00:54.54 | dabreegster | snoops: Yeah. One directory has symlinks to the files in the others. You could write a script to keep them in synch. |
| 00:55.03 | Neptune__ | how do i ad a new service to be started during init? |
| 00:55.08 | sirius | tarzeau: how do you do the last part ? |
| 00:55.24 | snoops | why would they need to be kept in synch? |
| 00:55.45 | mfrisch | snoops, well when you add something |
| 00:55.46 | tarzeau | sirius: put fglrx in the video drvier in x config file? |
| 00:55.57 | sirius | tarzeau: k |
| 00:55.59 | tarzeau | sirius: sirius did you modprobe fglrx yet? then run x |
| 00:56.06 | snoops | oh, so you mean I couldn't have a directory |
| 00:56.11 | snoops | I would need to add every single file |
| 00:56.16 | sirius | tarzeau: i did all the m-a stuff |
| 00:56.56 | snoops | it is for convenivence it's something I've wanted for the last 2-3 years |
| 00:57.21 | tarzeau | sirius: well done... did it build any *.deb files? what happesn if you modprobe fglrx ? |
| 00:57.23 | snoops | now I've made the desktop move to linux, I was hoping there was something to allow me to do this |
| 00:57.24 | mfrisch | snoops, no they can be directories but it would make repeats /home/movies/movies might happen |
| 00:57.35 | sirius | tarzeau: when i type modprobe flgrx is says fglrx not found |
| 00:57.58 | tarzeau | sirius: and if you type find /lib/modules -name "fglrx*" nothing either right? |
| 00:58.05 | tarzeau | sirius: but ls *.deb or ls ../*.deb ? |
| 00:58.17 | snoops | so I would see the first movie folders contents in /home/movies..then have to go into the movies folder within that for the second drives movie folder? |
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| 00:59.27 | snoops | I could make an application to do this..but I have no idea how to make it mountable |
| 00:59.40 | snoops | and thus accessable by other computers connecting to my machine through samba |
| 00:59.48 | Siriuskr | Thats not working either |
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| 01:00.19 | Siriuskr | tarzeau: still cant find fglrx |
| 01:00.38 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: the m-a stuff didn't finish successfully? no *.deb files generated? |
| 01:00.58 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: i really don't remember it just worked for me, if you can ask in 8 hours again, i can check that machine at work |
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| 01:01.18 | Siriuskr | tarzeau: im not sure about the deb files but it was all sucsesful |
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| 01:01.31 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: look for *.deb packages it generated |
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| 01:02.04 | Siriuskr | tarzeau: ooo that crap all over my desktop probably |
| 01:02.27 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: install them, then try the modprobe again... |
| 01:02.39 | Siriuskr | tarzeau: dpkg them all ? |
| 01:02.51 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: yea |
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| 01:05.23 | Siriuskr | tarzeau: i get errors |
| 01:05.30 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: which exactly? |
| 01:05.39 | Siriuskr | trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so', which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0 |
| 01:06.03 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: remove the old package and install the new? |
| 01:06.09 | Siriuskr | how |
| 01:06.11 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: why do you have an old such package? from where? |
| 01:06.18 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: dpkg -P fglrx-6-8-0 |
| 01:06.30 | Siriuskr | dpkg -P fglrx-6-8-0 |
| 01:06.33 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: the question is from where do you have that old package? how old is it? why do you have it? |
| 01:06.33 | Siriuskr | doh |
| 01:06.52 | tarzeau | i sometimes use --force-all (but i know what i do) |
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| 01:07.29 | Siriuskr | tarzeau: i ran the installer earlyer maybe it put it in there |
| 01:07.41 | Siriuskr | tarzeau: dpkg - warning: while removing fglrx-6-8-0, directory `/usr/share/doc/fglrx' not empty so not removed. |
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| 01:07.51 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: remove it manually |
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| 01:09.12 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: i'm goodnight |
| 01:10.05 | Siriuskr | tarzeau: i removed it man but now i get dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fglrx-driver: |
| 01:10.05 | Siriuskr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.05 | Siriuskr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.07 | Siriuskr | srry |
| 01:10.29 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: ah fun |
| 01:10.37 | Siriuskr | tarzeau ? |
| 01:10.41 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: i'd play nethack if i were you |
| 01:10.48 | Siriuskr | huh ? |
| 01:10.52 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: or use links2, webbrowser with graphics without X |
| 01:10.55 | itchi | Is it normal that it take 400 minutes (0 |
| 01:11.18 | itchi | Is it normal that it take 400 minutes (6 hours) to restore an disk of RAID1 of 80 GB? |
| 01:11.21 | Siriuskr | tarzeau i need the 3d acceleartion |
| 01:11.28 | basbryan | no? |
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| 01:11.49 | tarzeau | Siriuskr: i don't know, man it can't be that hard. tried #ati yet? |
| 01:12.01 | Siriuskr | Tarzeau: thanks gn |
| 01:12.11 | itchi | There is only 800 MB data on the first disk. So there are no many things to restore on an disk. |
| 01:12.52 | itchi | With 'cat /proc/mdstat' i can look the state and it tell [==>..................] recovery = 11.1% (8931968/80043136) finish=354.4min speed=3342K/sec |
| 01:13.31 | itchi | It's my first RAID1 setup :-/ |
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| 01:13.53 | dondelelcaro | itchi: uh... that's 80GB; it takes a while for it to sync. You've probably also limited it to 3.4M/s |
| 01:14.25 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yes, in the output he tell speed=3342K/sec |
| 01:14.43 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah, if you don't care about the speed penalty, you can increase htat |
| 01:15.32 | itchi | dondelelcaro: But to sync, i have put an test file of 800 MB on the first drive. So i have done the whole RAID1 setup and on the last thing to do is to activate that second disk, and then hi automatically sync, like i have not say 'go' |
| 01:15.37 | dondelelcaro | itchi: try setting /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max to something larger |
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| 01:16.00 | Agrajag- | debian has a logrotate script for mysql binary logs. if im doing replication, do i have to disable this, or is there a way to keep the logrotate and have the replication still work when the binary log file changes? |
| 01:16.00 | dondelelcaro | itchi: right, once you add the second drive it'll start syncing |
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| 01:16.37 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it'll take a while, because it has to go through and sync everything, since raid is done at the disk level, not the filesystem level |
| 01:16.53 | dondelelcaro | (to raid, there's no difference between a full filesystem and an empty filesystem) |
| 01:17.07 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah, finally it are simply to setup :-) I got an HDD crashed last day, one with my archieve. So i setup RAID1 :-/ |
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| 01:17.26 | dondelelcaro | itchi: ick. yeah, raid1 is a pretty good choice |
| 01:18.00 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah, you know about it, light goes one and you're right ;-) I understand now good how it's gone :-) |
| 01:18.28 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Like i was thinking that little file of 800 MB ... |
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| 01:19.06 | basbryan | my 80 gig sincs via mdadm in about 10 minutes |
| 01:19.11 | basbryan | syncs* |
| 01:19.22 | dondelelcaro | basbryan: yeah, it will if you've got /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max set pretty high |
| 01:19.29 | Forbith | im trying to burn a cd with xcdroast, but it asks for activating scsi emulation in kernel |
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| 01:19.32 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I have copy you're info there. Like i write an little article how i have it done ;-) |
| 01:19.32 | basbryan | ah |
| 01:19.36 | Forbith | how can i do dat without recompiling the kernel? |
| 01:20.02 | Forbith | or what can i do? |
| 01:20.05 | dondelelcaro | itchi: there are a couple of fairly good ones extant; I'd suggest starting with the raid howto; but feel free to use anything I've said if it helps. |
| 01:20.13 | dondelelcaro | [I'm not an expert on raid by any means, but I do use it.] |
| 01:20.53 | Forbith | im lost, please, someone help me |
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| 01:21.12 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah, i have read the howto on tldp, but it use old stuff it looks, like i was go one the wrong way with raidtab or so |
| 01:21.38 | itchi | dondelelcaro: So people have already tell me good things here, you know ;-) |
| 01:22.19 | happy000 | hey anyone running postgresql? |
| 01:22.20 | itchi | /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max show me 200000 |
| 01:22.30 | itchi | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 01:22.31 | happy000 | what is the most up to date version of postgresql that debian supports? |
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| 01:23.36 | itchi | dondelelcaro: To wish value i need to set it? And can i do it now? Like he is now sync'ing for 5 hours :-/ |
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| 01:23.56 | itchi | dondelelcaro: But it's not in the /proc that i need to define it? |
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| 01:25.50 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I use software raid. Simple 2 ide pata disk of 80 GB |
| 01:26.04 | itchi | dondelelcaro: RAID1 |
| 01:26.39 | happy000 | how do I use apt-cache to find out what unstable has for postgresql? |
| 01:27.51 | itchi | dondelelcaro: bwa, i got an hard disk crash a day or two ago, and sinds then i stress a bit. It's my hard disk of my archieves. You know, the valuable data :-/ a part is gone. bwa backup i have take it but there are a bit loose. So now i want to take a bit more precaution. I love to many my computer an my data. So i have decided ... ~ |
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| 01:28.08 | snoops | does anyone remember a linux file manager from a few years ago - it didn't have normal directories.. you searched for what you want |
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| 01:28.58 | bengrubb | ! 1+1 |
| 01:29.01 | dpkg | 2 |
| 01:29.23 | snoops | made for kde - some guys doctorat I believe |
| 01:29.35 | itchi | happy000: apt-cache search postgresql ?? |
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| 01:29.54 | bengrubb | ! 1 + pie |
| 01:29.57 | m0dY | tarzeau: why is it creating a file beside the complete-file.tar.gz called .complete-file.tar.gz.NBvC0g and this file is increasing ?? |
| 01:30.07 | bengrubb | ! pie |
| 01:30.07 | dpkg | hmm... pie is NOT a mathematical term. It's a food. or about 8.539734222677. |
| 01:30.29 | Shadowcat | !pi |
| 01:30.30 | dpkg | pi is, like, 3.141592656589793238462643383729 |
| 01:30.49 | bengrubb | 3 x pi |
| 01:30.56 | bengrubb | ! 3 x pi |
| 01:31.05 | Shadowcat | wtf |
| 01:31.09 | Shadowcat | stop abusing the bot |
| 01:31.15 | bengrubb | sorry |
| 01:31.33 | bengrubb | ! nice bot |
| 01:31.45 | jetscreamer | !pwn Shadowcat |
| 01:31.52 | Shadowcat | !whack jetscreamer |
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| 01:31.58 | m0dY | tarzeau: still there ? |
| 01:32.27 | jetscreamer | !aolify somebody |
| 01:32.41 | creature | I'd really appreciate some help with my Palm. Despite having the usbcore and visor modules loaded it doesn't appear in dmesg when I push the hotsync button, and it should. Perhaps something to do with hotplug disappearing? |
| 01:33.09 | itchi | creature: udev? |
| 01:33.46 | creature | itchi: I've just upgraded my kernel and done a brand-spanking new udev install from apt. |
| 01:33.53 | creature | So that should all be in line. |
| 01:33.55 | happy000 | is mysql only up to 4.0 in debian |
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| 01:33.58 | happy000 | 5.1 is out |
| 01:34.01 | happy000 | jesus |
| 01:34.31 | itchi | happy000: and an higher will come ... |
| 01:34.45 | Hackel | happy000: You're a moron. |
| 01:35.04 | creature | happy000: I have mysql-client-5.0 and mysql-server-5.0 packages available. Perhaps you could use those. |
| 01:36.26 | itchi | creature: Work other usb stuff on it ? |
| 01:36.35 | creature | itchi: Yep, other USB things work fine. |
| 01:37.27 | itchi | creature: Have you try 'apt-cache search palm' ? |
| 01:38.07 | itchi | creature: I not know about Palm's. But i want to help you a bit. |
| 01:38.10 | itchi | !palm |
| 01:38.11 | dpkg | somebody said palm was a personal digital assistant, formerly known as the palm pilot, made by Palm Computing. other companies such as handspring and ibm have clones that use the same OS. you can use pilot-link, coldsync, or one of the X based syncronization programs to use the Palm (or clones) in linux |
| 01:38.27 | creature | itchi: I'm using jpilot, which is a front-end to pilot-link. |
| 01:38.42 | creature | But looking at things on that level is a bit too high-level. It's not showing up as a device in /var/log/messages. |
| 01:38.53 | creature | And furthermore, it used to work on my system, and now it doesn't. |
| 01:39.26 | itchi | creature: And with 'lsusb' ? |
| 01:39.46 | itchi | creature: Don't desesperate ;-) |
| 01:39.56 | creature | I get 4 bus lines that look like they're not showing any devices. |
| 01:40.11 | creature | I'm not sure what it should be, but each bus has "Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 " |
| 01:40.30 | happy000 | wait |
| 01:40.42 | happy000 | so is there a deps problem when you download |
| 01:40.45 | happy000 | the debs from mysql |
| 01:40.50 | happy000 | or does it go right in? |
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| 01:42.57 | itchi | creature: Look's to my output. Paste you're and show it to my http://pastebin.com/768893 |
| 01:43.02 | Hackel | happy000: mysql has debs? Who knew! I wouldn't trust binaries from an external source, though. |
| 01:43.50 | creature | itchi: My output is appended on that. |
| 01:43.58 | creature | I haven't got any other USB devices attached at the moment. |
| 01:44.00 | creature | I can add one if you like. |
| 01:44.03 | sirius | If something does not fit on my screen how can i make it fit ? |
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| 01:44.27 | Hackel | sirius: Buy a bigger screen! |
| 01:44.35 | itchi | creature: It's look not detected :-/ |
| 01:44.45 | creature | Yes, that's the problem I am grappling with. |
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| 01:45.26 | sirius | i got a big screen and res its decent i just can make this window anysmaller and its like super huge |
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| 01:45.47 | itchi | creature: wich brand model are it ? |
| 01:46.04 | Hackel | sirius: Sounds like an awful program. Maybe you should fix the bug or not use it anymore? |
| 01:46.05 | creature | I have two Palm devices here. A Palm m505 and a Palm Tungsten T. |
| 01:46.10 | creature | It's the m505 I'm working with. |
| 01:46.21 | sirius | Hackel: its ati's driver install program |
| 01:46.25 | Hackel | sirius: If you use metacity, you can hold in alt and drag the window around. Other WMs probably have other keys. |
| 01:46.31 | Hackel | sirius: there you go, what do you expect? |
| 01:46.45 | sirius | Hackel: isnt there a way to scroll around your screen or |
| 01:47.08 | Hackel | sirius: If you made your screen larger than the resolution, you should be able to scroll around just by moving the mouse. |
| 01:47.32 | Hackel | sirius: Why don't you just install fglrx-driver? |
| 01:47.36 | itchi | creature: Is that the brand Palm ? I not know about it, vagely :-/ Is that an Apple thing? |
| 01:47.43 | sirius | Hackel: thats what im trying to do |
| 01:47.45 | creature | It's not an Apple thing. |
| 01:47.53 | creature | They're made by Palm, Inc. |
| 01:48.00 | creature | Previously 3Com, and before that US Robotics. |
| 01:48.00 | Hackel | sirius: That package doesn't have any crappy ATI installer. |
| 01:48.03 | freakazoid0223 | apple was the newton |
| 01:48.29 | creature | Newtons are ancient. Neither of these are that old. |
| 01:48.49 | itchi | creature: Know you about 'modconf' ? |
| 01:49.18 | sirius | Hackel: how do i install that one ? |
| 01:49.28 | jetscreamer | you have to install modconf nowadays' |
| 01:49.38 | jetscreamer | it used to be standard now it's optional |
| 01:49.48 | Hackel | sirius: apt-get install fglrx-driver. |
| 01:49.57 | creature | Oh, man. |
| 01:50.00 | creature | I've got it solved. |
| 01:50.11 | itchi | creature: Tell... |
| 01:50.17 | creature | It was really stupid. |
| 01:50.23 | creature | I mean, truly absolutely dumb. |
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| 01:50.36 | itchi | creature: The cable i guess :-/ |
| 01:50.38 | creature | You ready for this? You'll giggle. |
| 01:50.40 | sirius | Hackel: Says it has no install canidit or how ever you spell it lol |
| 01:50.41 | creature | More than the cable. |
| 01:51.05 | itchi | sirius: Know you about marillat ? |
| 01:51.08 | creature | Well, it turns out that a USB cable is exactly the right size to fit into an ethernet socket. So when groping around at the back, you can get it in the wrong hole... |
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| 01:51.22 | Hackel | sirius: Ah, sorry it's only in unstable. |
| 01:51.23 | sirius | itchi ? |
| 01:51.27 | itchi | creature: Lol, realy |
| 01:51.36 | sirius | Hackel: im using testing |
| 01:51.44 | itchi | !beer everyone |
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| 01:52.14 | itchi | Hackel: Is it not in the marillat repo ?? |
| 01:52.31 | itchi | !marillat |
| 01:52.31 | dpkg | somebody said marillat was a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 01:52.36 | Hackel | itchi: no idea. |
| 01:52.39 | creature | itchi: Yep. |
| 01:52.46 | creature | That's been bugging me for days. |
| 01:52.51 | itchi | oh wait |
| 01:52.52 | Hackel | I don't use proprietary drivers, I use the xorg driver. |
| 01:52.55 | itchi | !ati |
| 01:52.55 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
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| 01:53.59 | itchi | Yeah, it's looks that some things has move with that ati thing |
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| 01:55.35 | itchi | Hackel: Have you the 3D acceleration? |
| 01:55.48 | Hackel | itchi: Yes, but I never have any reason to use it. |
| 01:55.53 | Hackel | It does work fine though. |
| 01:56.05 | Hackel | On my Radeon 9200. |
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| 01:58.56 | magyar | is there a way to edit .ssh/known_hosts file? |
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| 01:59.20 | itchi | Hackel: I need to setup it here with the ATI installer, like i need some time 3D and also for the dual screen. Otherwise i get some troubles some time with the default driver :-/ |
| 01:59.21 | Hackel | magyar: vi ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 01:59.43 | itchi | magyar: Yeah, that looks simply |
| 01:59.58 | Hackel | itchi: dual head is always buggy for me. |
| 02:00.09 | magyar | Hackel: its all gibberish in sid, i cant tell which chipper is which |
| 02:00.11 | happy000 | how do I upgrade my entire box? |
| 02:00.14 | happy000 | anyone? |
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| 02:00.20 | happy000 | without touching X of course |
| 02:00.21 | happy000 | he he |
| 02:00.29 | happy000 | apt-get upgrade or something? |
| 02:00.31 | itchi | Hackel: It's very cool. i love it :-: You know, my Debian box 2 screen :-) |
| 02:00.36 | sirius__ | Heckel: Package fglrx-driver has no installation candidate |
| 02:00.41 | Hackel | magyar: sit houldn't be. each line is a host. |
| 02:01.17 | magyar | Hackel: not in sid, all is unreadable crap |
| 02:01.19 | Hackel | sirius: Yes, it's only in Sid, I already told you that. See the link above for instructions. |
| 02:01.33 | itchi | Hackel: It's build by Flavio Stanchina |
| 02:01.46 | magyar | Hackel: on etch one can see which key belongs to which host |
| 02:01.46 | Hackel | magyar: Not mine. The format of that file does not change between ssh versions, let alone distributions. |
| 02:01.58 | magyar | bahh |
| 02:02.36 | itchi | sirius__: I remember that i had an need to add an source to my my /etc/apt/sourc.list |
| 02:02.51 | happy000 | if I did an apt-get upgrade |
| 02:02.52 | Hackel | magyar: I do run sid and mine looks fine. |
| 02:03.01 | happy000 | its asking me to upgrade the 2.4 kernel |
| 02:03.06 | itchi | sirius__: Do an google search about Flavio Stanchina |
| 02:03.10 | happy000 | but I went to a 2.6.8 smp kernel yesertday |
| 02:03.17 | happy000 | wtf |
| 02:03.23 | sirius__ | itchi k |
| 02:03.23 | happy000 | would it roll me back if I had said Y |
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| 02:03.36 | itchi | sirius__: http://xoomer.alice.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 02:03.46 | cinix | happy000, if you had the old one still installed it would try to upgrade it |
| 02:03.51 | itchi | sirius__: y |
| 02:03.54 | Hackel | happy000: you didn't install the 2.4 kernel, WTF?!? |
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| 02:04.03 | sirius__ | itchi: thanks |
| 02:04.04 | itchi | sirius__: You know, the first google result |
| 02:06.28 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Are you there ? |
| 02:06.38 | happy000 | ooh ok how do I remove the old one? |
| 02:06.57 | asg | happy000: apt-get remove --purge <pkg> |
| 02:06.59 | Hackel | happy000: Go read the Debian manual. :) |
| 02:09.05 | itchi | The sync of my RAID1 are a bit low. dondelelcaro have say to change the value in /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max But i can not change it in the /proc Where need we to fix the max speed? |
| 02:09.26 | asg | itchi: cannot change it how? |
| 02:09.47 | itchi | asg: Whe can not do vim /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max |
| 02:10.15 | asg | itchi: do echo <val> > /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max (as root) |
| 02:10.21 | asg | itchi: where <val> is the new value |
| 02:10.23 | itchi | asg: I mean change these value on that locations. Like the /proc. are only output of the kernel |
| 02:10.49 | itchi | asg: Wait, i note it also down |
| 02:11.51 | itchi | asg: Actualy it's '200000' |
| 02:12.24 | itchi | asg: But like the sync of my HDD of 80 GB take 400 minutes (6 hours) :-/ |
| 02:12.44 | itchi | asg: I have just setup an RAID1 system |
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| 02:13.20 | asg | itchi: usually, the trade-off is with speed v. i/o load. |
| 02:13.29 | itchi | asg: Actually it's on finish=293.4min speed=3336K/sec |
| 02:13.44 | itchi | asg: What mean you ? |
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| 02:15.40 | itchi | asg: Which value can i put there? I guess i can not play with it |
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| 02:16.11 | asg | itchi: you can play with it most likely but I'd wait for someone with more experience to help you tweak the values. |
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| 02:16.52 | itchi | asg: Yeah, it's best that i not 'tune' my computer here ;-) |
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| 02:18.01 | myren | i swear it wasnt me |
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| 02:18.36 | itchi | asg: So i need to wait '286.4min' :-/ |
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| 02:19.42 | itchi | asg: He but you give me an realy good type. I was not know that we could do some change in the /proc/ system. |
| 02:21.13 | itchi | asg: That do me thinking that i could solve an trouble with fan of my laptop. Like when i not plug the power cable of it, the fan would not go. When i put it in. The fan running. So i always need an that power cable. |
| 02:22.11 | asg | itchi: if the fan is controlled via /proc/acpi or /sys/*, then it is possible you can control it using similar mechanisms |
| 02:22.36 | itchi | asg: Oh, cool man, you're .... !beer |
| 02:22.38 | itchi | !beer |
| 02:22.39 | dpkg | i heard beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 02:22.44 | sirius__ | !ati |
| 02:22.44 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
| 02:22.47 | dvs | !beer asg |
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| 02:23.04 | itchi | asg: Thanks for that tip man :-) |
| 02:23.13 | asg | itchi: you're welcome |
| 02:23.19 | itchi | asg: :-) |
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| 02:24.07 | gavagai | good beer |
| 02:24.16 | gavagai | i have that on tap at a bar two blocks away |
| 02:24.18 | gavagai | so i walk there a lot |
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| 02:25.42 | josh2 | anyone have a repo where xfce4.3.90 is included? |
| 02:25.43 | itchi | gavagai: Yeah, im zigggzaag a bit here in the #debian ;-) |
| 02:25.57 | myren | sweet, its working |
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| 02:26.17 | zephyrus | how do i check debians firewall rules? |
| 02:26.26 | asg | zephyrus: /sbin/iptables -vL |
| 02:26.33 | zephyrus | ah! |
| 02:26.35 | zephyrus | iptables |
| 02:26.50 | zephyrus | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 241M packets, 100G bytes) |
| 02:26.50 | zephyrus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.54 | asg | gah |
| 02:26.56 | zephyrus | so nothing is blocked eh? |
| 02:27.08 | josh2 | anyone? |
| 02:27.19 | asg | zephyrus: /msg dpkg paster (put the output in a paster bot) |
| 02:27.25 | zephyrus | oh okay |
| 02:27.31 | zephyrus | i just showed you all of the output it gave me though |
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| 02:27.41 | zephyrus | well, sec |
| 02:27.50 | asg | josh2: what debian version are you running? |
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| 02:28.11 | josh2 | it's ubuntu but can't i use debian packages? |
| 02:28.13 | zephyrus | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2779 |
| 02:29.00 | josh2 | or am i gonna have to compile it |
| 02:29.18 | asg | zephyrus: no, nothing is blocked |
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| 02:29.36 | zephyrus | thats odd |
| 02:29.44 | zephyrus | i wonder why ftpd doesnt work anymore |
| 02:29.44 | asg | josh2: /msg dpkg simple sid backport (may work, may break your ubuntu setup.) Have you asked in #ubuntu? |
| 02:30.01 | josh2 | asg, yes, they ignore me though |
| 02:30.31 | gavagai | i just did a dist-upgrade on ubuntu and at the end it had one error, that libxml2utils wasn't intsalled because connection reset by peer. i did apt-get update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade all again, but it keeps acting like there's nothing to upgrade. |
| 02:30.36 | gavagai | should i worry about that? |
| 02:30.39 | asg | zephyrus: does the control channel work but not actually transfer data (i.e., you can login but not get data) |
| 02:31.04 | zephyrus | i can login locally, but not threw wan |
| 02:31.14 | sirius__ | Im using Unstable is there a way to upgrade my current version of xserver-xorg from 7.0.20 to 7.0.99 because the fglrx-driver wants .99 |
| 02:31.54 | gravity | sirius__: With a bit of work, yeah |
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| 02:32.11 | zephyrus | any idea asg? |
| 02:32.12 | gravity | sirius__: You'll have to do a lot of custom package updates since the 7.1 stuff hasn't been packaged in Debian yet |
| 02:32.12 | sirius__ | gravity: well i need to install the fglrx driver |
| 02:32.20 | asg | zephyrus: can you telnet <ip> 21 from a wan system and get the ftp banner? |
| 02:32.47 | sirius__ | gravity: you know where i can get a version of fglrx for .20 then ? |
| 02:33.18 | gravity | sirius__: No, sorry |
| 02:33.21 | asg | gavagai: what does 'dpkg -l | grep libxml2utils' print? |
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| 02:34.57 | gravity | God... I need to change that versioning scheme. It's driving me nuts |
| 02:35.12 | asg | gravity: I'd switch to flavors |
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| 02:35.45 | Gimp_ | where is php5 installed? on sarge using the dotdeb package |
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| 02:35.57 | Gimp_ | i need to find the executable php binary |
| 02:36.05 | asg | Gimp_: in /usr/bin |
| 02:36.14 | asg | Gimp_: or dotdeb are a bunch of morons |
| 02:36.28 | nerophibia | Gimp_: #which php |
| 02:36.33 | asg | Gimp_: dpkg -L <pkg> (to be sure) |
| 02:36.34 | Gimp_ | Gimp_: php5. |
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| 02:36.55 | gravity | Talking to yourself is a sure sign of madness :-) |
| 02:37.00 | gravity | gravity: Right? |
| 02:37.03 | Gimp_ | whoo |
| 02:37.04 | Gimp_ | im smart. |
| 02:37.08 | asg | asg: asg roit! |
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| 02:38.51 | roe_ | anyone know how to get the MTU setting to stick on reboot? |
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| 02:39.04 | Gimp_ | ah i found it, ill just install php5-cli |
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| 02:39.16 | asg | roe_: man 5 interfaces |
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| 02:40.42 | magyar | does uw-imapd supports maildir? |
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| 02:40.58 | asg | magyar: you are much better off using courier-imap, dovecot, or binc |
| 02:41.12 | magyar | asg: thank you |
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| 02:41.39 | asg | magyar: you're welcome |
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| 02:41.51 | sirius__ | When trying to install the fglrx-driver it tells me i need the newest version of x.org 7.0.99 i got 7.0.20 i wont be able to upgrade how or where can i still install this ? im running unstable |
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| 02:44.25 | roe_ | will setting the mtu size statically on a dhcp cause problems |
| 02:44.59 | asg | roe_: the mtu has nothing to do with how you get your IP. However, depending on the type of upstream link, it may cause problems. |
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| 02:45.43 | nerophibia | siruis_: with the ATI binary try something like: #X_VERION=x700 ./ati... --install |
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| 02:48.39 | taty | ola |
| 02:48.46 | asg | !br |
| 02:48.46 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 02:50.23 | roe_ | asg, while its very possible I am not reading the man page properly, but it ain't happy with a dynamic setting and a static mtu |
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| 02:51.05 | asg | roe_: do you usually set it manually after the interface has come up? |
| 02:51.34 | asg | roe_: if so, you could use an 'up /sbin/ifconfig ..' stanza to achieve the desired result. |
| 02:51.44 | roe_ | well we just installed gig cards and trying to get the jumbo frames working, setting it through ifconfig works great but on reboot it reverts back to 1500 |
| 02:51.46 | zinx | roe_: maybe you're setting the mtu to something the interface can't actually handle |
| 02:52.12 | roe_ | the mtu setting works great it just won't stick |
| 02:52.43 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | Hello, I am trying to install Debian Sarge on a Gateway 7330 laptop with netinstall. On first reboot (when it goes to install all the stuff) it freezes on USB driver loading. Second and next reboots freeze on agpgart driver. I tried to boot with noagp and nousb but it didnt change anything |
| 02:52.47 | asg | roe_: try using the 'up ...' stanza as mentioned in interfaces(5) to get ifconfig to do the right thing after the interface comes up. |
| 02:53.17 | asg | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: does tuxmobile.org mention anything about your particular model and any workarounds? |
| 02:53.25 | roe_ | so just put a script for ifconfig to "reset" it after boot |
| 02:53.38 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | asg, I checked and there is a Ubuntu install |
| 02:53.44 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | asg but nothing abnormal |
| 02:53.57 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | asg actually, everything should be just perfect :( |
| 02:54.09 | asg | roe_: in /etc/network/interfaces, after the dhcp definition, us 'up /sbin/ifconfig ...' to alter the mtu settings |
| 02:54.37 | magyar | which mildrop is common "maildrop" or "courier-maildrop"? |
| 02:54.53 | asg | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: did you try using 'linux26' at the installer prompt to use a 2.6 kernel. If so, did you try using the 2.4 kernel? |
| 02:55.12 | k-man | how does one configure which printer documents are sent to using lpr? |
| 02:55.14 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | asg, I got 2.6 kernel |
| 02:55.22 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | asg, didnt try 2.4 |
| 02:55.38 | asg | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: try it with a 2.4 then; the installer kernels can have issues in some cases. |
| 02:55.54 | asg | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: you can always install a 2.6 kernel later if the 2.4 install kernel gets you up and running. |
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| 02:57.40 | ThylekShran | Narf!!! |
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| 02:57.47 | mrgenixus | I tryingt o duplicate and aduio cd by imaging it with dd but /dev/hdc and /dev/cdrom are unlinked even though I can play the cd in a cdplayer app, what do I really need to dd to copy the cd |
| 02:58.33 | mrgenixus | or ignore me |
| 02:58.52 | magyar | i import the key for " |
| 02:58.52 | magyar | deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:58.52 | magyar | deb-src http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:59.04 | magyar | but it still fails |
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| 03:01.00 | chuckyp | what version of kde is etch using currently? |
| 03:01.03 | taty | ola |
| 03:01.06 | VolVE | Ok, my iowait keeps randomly jumping to 100% while I'm using reading/writing to Samba on my Sarge system, in looking at ps waux output when the iowait maxed I saw that kjournald was status D along with smbd, then a second later pdflush was status D along with smbd, then smbd was back to normal... anyone got a clue? :( |
| 03:01.47 | itchi | mrgenixus: dd if=/dev/cdrom1 of=/tmp/audio_cd.iso ?? |
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| 03:02.31 | mrgenixus | /dev/cdrom is empty |
| 03:02.49 | l00pdee | you know how when you print a document, it has those margins, do printers print on the whole page? |
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| 03:03.04 | vvviper|a | no |
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| 03:03.15 | vvviper|a | i've never seen a home printer do that |
| 03:03.20 | vvviper|a | there's always a gap at the edges |
| 03:03.48 | l00pdee | yeah, how do you print like on a 4x6 photo card? |
| 03:03.53 | l00pdee | wierd |
| 03:04.02 | vvviper|a | ohh |
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| 03:04.07 | vvviper|a | i see waht u mea |
| 03:04.18 | vvviper|a | yeah that works on 4x6 card becuase there's a huge margin basically |
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| 03:04.50 | l00pdee | i have to put the card in in just the right spot ? |
| 03:05.00 | l00pdee | so it gets right past the margin ? |
| 03:05.19 | l00pdee | is there a printing channel ? |
| 03:05.19 | vvviper|a | hmm i'm not sure, i've only used photo printers like that with 4x6 paper |
| 03:05.21 | l00pdee | lol |
| 03:05.25 | vvviper|a | hheh |
| 03:06.14 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | agp trying 2.4 kernell |
| 03:06.38 | sirius__ | When trying to install the fglrx-driver it tells me i need the newest version of x.org 7.0.99 i got 7.0.20 i wont be able to upgrade how or where can i still install this ? im running unstable |
| 03:06.39 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | agp then, will I be able to upgrade to 2.6... or I'm stuck on 2.4 forever? |
| 03:07.01 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | agp wait, nvm, you said it was the installer that could have some issues |
| 03:07.23 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | agp you answer my question in advance |
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| 03:10.17 | Mr-5150 | I just finished setting up a PDC on my server I can join it by my win2k machine , but how can I join the domain in Debian? |
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| 03:11.17 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | agp :( |
| 03:11.36 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | agp does same thing, usb.c: registered new driver hub |
| 03:12.01 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | agp usb-uhci.c: Revision 1.275 bla bla |
| 03:12.03 | Mr-5150 | I just finished setting up a PDC on my server I can join it by my win2k machine , but how can I join the domain in Debian? |
| 03:12.15 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | agp usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled |
| 03:12.18 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | _ |
| 03:12.18 | l00pdee | it came with 10 sheets of 4x6 photo paper, how the heck ?? lol |
| 03:12.23 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | that's it |
| 03:12.28 | aaronlin | Hi, I seem to be having some trouble with gphoto2. I have a Kodak EasyShare CD33, and I'm trying to import some pictures. I think the device will work as a generic PTP device (I'm not quite too sure what that means). I think I have the latest version of gphoto2. |
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| 03:13.24 | k-man | should i use cups or lprng for printing? |
| 03:13.26 | aaronlin | The device used to show up when I used a debian build, but I still couldn't actually download the photos because an error would prevent me. Therefore, I decided to compile the newer version, and now I can't even pick up the device at all. |
| 03:13.57 | aaronlin | I'm running version 2.1.99 of gphoto2, 2.1.99 of libgphoto2, and libgphoto2_port 0.5.2 |
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| 03:17.23 | aaronlin | Hi, I'm having some trouble with gphoto2 with the Kodak EasyShare CD33 camera. I was trying to import some pictures, and I think I read somewhere that the device was PTP (I'm not quite too sure what that means). I have the latest version of gphoto2 (2.1.99), libgphoto2 (2.1.99), and libgphoto2_port (0.5.2) |
| 03:18.12 | aaronlin | I first used the debian build and I was able to detect the device as nothing more than a generic PTP device, but I couldn't actually download the files. When I compiled the newer version, I can no longer find the device at all. I keep pressing the button "Share" but I don't think that's helping :). |
| 03:18.32 | tonsofpcs | anyanyone here ever use the "jailer" package (or balabit.hu/downloads/jailer ) and can explain what it does in some detail in English? |
| 03:19.06 | Mr-5150 | apperently nobody is here tonight |
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| 03:20.08 | tonsofpcs | noperz |
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| 03:26.30 | liable | aaronlin: is it a camera thats supported? you cant access it as a usb storage device? |
| 03:26.52 | pinky | Hi, a friend of mine is moving from Mac OS X to Debian, and he has an external HDD and an iPod both with the HFS+ filesystem on them. Is there a package to install that would allow me to mount and read AND write to these devices? |
| 03:27.17 | lavi | HI, Is there any way to set the gnome-terminel window size in starting. |
| 03:27.33 | pinky | I'm specifically interested in writing to the HDD. Would I need to reformat it with ext3 or something in order to write to it? |
| 03:27.38 | liable | lavi: cant resize it and then save settings? maybe ask in a gnome oriented channel |
| 03:27.48 | freeone3000 | pinky: hfsplus? |
| 03:27.57 | pinky | Yes, the HFS+ filesystem |
| 03:28.08 | freeone3000 | pinky: No, that's the package name. |
| 03:28.10 | Mr-5150 | how do you join a samba domain? |
| 03:28.14 | lavi | liable: I wanna set a default size for it. |
| 03:28.18 | pinky | Both the iPod and the HDD have it |
| 03:28.25 | freeone3000 | pinky: Try hfsplus. |
| 03:28.30 | pinky | freeone3000: Oh! Well I'll go install it then! |
| 03:28.40 | lavi | liable: but i dont find anywhere can do it. |
| 03:29.02 | liable | lavi: i dont actually have gnome, but i spose its in the menus somewhere, as i said, try a gnome channel |
| 03:29.19 | lavi | liable: k |
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| 03:30.35 | pinky | Hmm, okay so what should I try now that I've installed the "hfsplus" package? |
| 03:30.50 | pinky | There's no documentation for it in /usr/share/doc/hfsplus/ |
| 03:30.55 | pinky | Just a changelog... |
| 03:32.09 | servus | pinky: I've found apt-file is helpful. You can apt-get install apt-files, then apt-file update and apt-file show hfsplus will show all the files in it. You can then try to look up documentation on individual binaries. |
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| 03:32.39 | servus | Becaue apt-file hfsplus shows me that it installs manfiles for all these utilities in usr/share/man/man1/hp* |
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| 03:34.16 | cam | is there a way to speed up the gets of apt-get ? like download 3 pkg at a time ? |
| 03:34.32 | tonsofpcs | cam: like apt-get install [pkg1] [pkg2] [pkg3] ? |
| 03:35.14 | cam | tonsofpcs, no, I mean, download 3 pkgs at the same time (not asking apt to install 3 pkgs in one command) |
| 03:35.34 | pinky | servus: thanks |
| 03:36.06 | stoned | well then tell apt to download only and not install |
| 03:36.13 | deejoe | -d |
| 03:36.16 | cam | right now, it's downloading one pkg at a time ... when the first one is finished, then it downloads the 2nd ... |
| 03:36.37 | tonsofpcs | cam: screen and run it 3 times... |
| 03:36.38 | deejoe | per invocation of apt == "at one time" |
| 03:37.07 | magyar | looking for a script to convert all mailbox to maildir |
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| 03:38.53 | Shaezsche | why is debian still using the old 2.4.XX kernels? |
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| 03:39.15 | Toni-testing | hi! |
| 03:39.29 | dondelelcaro | Shaezsche: unstable only has 2.6; the stable release was released when 2.6 didn't support some of the architectures that Debian supports. |
| 03:39.43 | Toni-testing | nobody at home |
| 03:39.44 | dondelelcaro | Shaezsche: you can use 2.6 on stable if you wish. |
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| 03:40.15 | Shaezsche | like what kind of architectures |
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| 03:40.30 | dondelelcaro | Shaezsche: like m68k, mips, etc. |
| 03:40.43 | pinky | Why does Debian auto-detect a USB HDD as /dev/sdb (not necessarily sdb but at least sd*)? |
| 03:40.54 | pinky | I mean why SCSI? |
| 03:41.12 | dondelelcaro | pinky: because that's how the usb ms interface is set up |
| 03:41.19 | Shaezsche | and what will i be missing out on by using 2.4, havent there been THOUSands of fixes since? |
| 03:41.22 | pinky | ms interface? |
| 03:41.26 | dondelelcaro | Shaezsche: in any event, why does it matter if we use 2.4? |
| 03:41.37 | dondelelcaro | Shaezsche: you can use 2.6; just use linux26 at the install or install it yourself. |
| 03:41.41 | yxa | pinky historically, scsi was out way before ide |
| 03:41.49 | dondelelcaro | pinky: mass storage |
| 03:42.09 | yxa | ide was the oddball |
| 03:42.37 | Shaezsche | well id like to use debian, but im on a laptop, and hardware detection is just surfacing on linux for my system. so its important i have all the latest linux developments |
| 03:42.37 | Toni-testing | is there anybody that knows about the arts server and sound playing? |
| 03:42.47 | pinky | Ah, okay... |
| 03:43.03 | yxa | but due to lower costs, it became the defacto for low end PCs/servers |
| 03:43.29 | Mr-5150 | how do i log into a domain? |
| 03:43.30 | pinky | yxa: But by the time Linux came around virtually all HDDs on the x86 platform (and indeed the PPC platform at it's introduction) were ATA/IDE |
| 03:43.42 | Mr-5150 | that is a samba domain |
| 03:43.58 | pinky | So historically, on GNU/Linux I would think HDDs were usually /dev/hd? |
| 03:44.17 | sid | pingu: Depends on the type of hard disk drive. |
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| 03:44.26 | sid | pingu: fdisk -l |
| 03:44.36 | cam | if you man wget, what 's the meaning of "--span-hosts Enable spanning across hosts when doing recursive retrieving." |
| 03:44.37 | sid | pinky* rather |
| 03:44.48 | liable | Mr-5150: gnome and kde have tools for it these days or you can use smbclient from the command line |
| 03:45.16 | Mr-5150 | ok thanks :) |
| 03:45.57 | pingu | Sorry for beginning with pin :( |
| 03:46.48 | Toni-testing | I'm looking for help to return to hear sound on my deb installation |
| 03:46.50 | servus | cam: wget --span-hosts --recursive http://yahoo.com/ might also download content from http://monkeys.com, if there is a link to monkeys.com |
| 03:46.58 | yxa | pinky no idea :) |
| 03:47.28 | cam | servus, oh ok ! tx ;) |
| 03:47.43 | sirius | whats the shortcut in debian to switch desktops |
| 03:47.55 | servus | Use the other options to limit how aggressive it is... wget --recursive --span-hosts http://www.google.com/search?q=seven+degrees+of+kevin+bacon |
| 03:48.18 | servus | sirius: My KDE defaulted to windows key + tab. Not sure about yours :) |
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| 03:48.31 | Toni-testing | ctrl+alt+arrows |
| 03:48.55 | Toni-testing | sirius: ctrl+alt+arrows |
| 03:49.00 | dhuv | hello all, I am looking into the via sp8000 and am wondering if anybody has tried the s/pdif output? I want to make sure that it works with the standard alsa drivers |
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| 03:49.16 | magyar | how can i extract only some folders from a tarball? |
| 03:49.17 | tonsofpcs | ok, I need some help... I installed naim, but it had un-met dependencies, although it works fine without them met, now apt-get complains about those dependencies any time I try to install any package, and -f makes it want to remove naim. Any way to fix this without removing naim? |
| 03:49.59 | liable | !equivs |
| 03:49.59 | dpkg | equivs is, like, a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 03:50.24 | Mr-5150 | Network Settings - thats were i can join the domain? |
| 03:50.31 | tonsofpcs | liable: I don't want to fake it into thinking I have those two packages, I want it to stop complaining about them being depends of naim. |
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| 03:51.00 | servus | tonsofpcs: You're lucky; it usually wants to uninstall KDE, XF86, and libc. |
| 03:51.14 | tonsofpcs | servus: heh |
| 03:51.33 | Toni-testing | All the sound in my machine goes to /dev/null , any idea how can I fix that? |
| 03:51.40 | freeone3000 | What's that nice thing that allows me to change which window manager I use when I startx? |
| 03:51.47 | freeone3000 | Toni-testing: alsaconf |
| 03:51.49 | servus | xdm and gdm, freeone? |
| 03:51.50 | tonsofpcs | xdm/gdm |
| 03:51.54 | freeone3000 | Thank you... |
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| 03:52.24 | Toni-testing | freeone3000 -> and then? |
| 03:53.42 | freeone3000 | Toni-testing: Execute alsaconf... do the nice menu things... and you're done. It should autodetect your sound card and stuff. |
| 03:54.00 | Toni-testing | I don't have alsaconf, do you really think I should install it? |
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| 03:54.54 | freeone3000 | Ehm. Yes. apt-get install alsabase alsa-utils (or some mixture of hyphens thereof) |
| 03:55.26 | freeone3000 | Why does X update itself every other day on unstable? |
| 03:55.29 | cam | tonsofpcs, yeah, screen and multiple apt-get -d .... but it's not really convenient ... heh |
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| 03:56.59 | Toni-testing | I see threre's alsa-base, alsa-utils, esound-alsa, gstreamer0.8-alsa |
| 03:57.14 | freeone3000 | First two. |
| 03:57.34 | freeone3000 | one for the magic of sound, the second for the magic of sound working. |
| 03:58.35 | Toni-testing | well the thing is I already had sound, but I don't know what happened and now I receive a message that the soundd goes to the null dev |
| 03:58.51 | freeone3000 | Ah... Those should fix that. |
| 03:58.56 | freeone3000 | KDE and arts, currently? |
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| 03:59.19 | Toni-testing | i have gnome |
| 03:59.56 | Toni-testing | and art installed |
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| 04:00.14 | Toni-testing | arts |
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| 04:00.52 | freeone3000 | Yeh.. I had that issue with arts a while back. |
| 04:01.06 | freeone3000 | Redirected KDE sound to alsa and it works wonderful. |
| 04:01.40 | servus | cam: This may be useful: http://rafb.net/paste/results/NL3VlX70.html |
| 04:01.55 | servus | Make that into a script called, say, apt-suck, and do apt-suck package1 package2 package3 |
| 04:02.36 | servus | Sorry cam, I meant http://rafb.net/paste/results/RHhARY55.html : o) |
| 04:03.52 | Toni-testing | freeone3000: so you mean I should redirect the sound to alsa when answering the menus of alsaconf? |
| 04:04.14 | freeone3000 | Or to wherever it suggets. |
| 04:04.17 | freeone3000 | I normally trust the packages. |
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| 04:05.41 | Serinity | Anyone to preconise a stable browser please ? i can't stand anymore firefox or mozilla |
| 04:05.49 | Serinity | I mean _stable_ |
| 04:05.58 | Serinity | not something crashing every 10 minutes |
| 04:06.22 | Serinity | ... btw.... Hi everyone :) |
| 04:07.24 | dabreegster | Serinity: elinks, but it's a console browser. No graphics, little Javascript, etc. But it's useful. |
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| 04:07.38 | Serinity | yeah, i also know lynx |
| 04:07.49 | jetscreamer | mozilla doesn't crash |
| 04:07.50 | Toni-testing | isn't there a way to reconfigure arts? |
| 04:07.50 | Serinity | Nah, i'd at least would have something graphical |
| 04:07.52 | jetscreamer | least not the sid version |
| 04:08.00 | jetscreamer | ff now, no idea |
| 04:08.10 | Serinity | jetscreamer, it does but actually i think it's more the fault of the flash plugin |
| 04:08.30 | jetscreamer | i try to stay away from flash, but i didn have the plugin |
| 04:08.32 | jetscreamer | did |
| 04:08.50 | servus | Firefox doesn't crash so much as bring the entire computer to a grinding halt when it decides to spinlock. Right-click a Flash in Firefox for an example. |
| 04:08.50 | jetscreamer | use konqueror |
| 04:08.55 | jetscreamer | it's really kinda ok |
| 04:09.00 | jetscreamer | for browsing |
| 04:09.09 | jetscreamer | if you use kde |
| 04:09.28 | Serinity | last time i considered konqueror as a browser, it couldn't ever consider dhtml |
| 04:09.33 | Serinity | i mean DOM |
| 04:09.47 | Serinity | I use KDE.... |
| 04:09.56 | Serinity | well, i'll give it an other try |
| 04:09.59 | Serinity | :) |
| 04:10.02 | jetscreamer | me i just use moz |
| 04:10.09 | jetscreamer | soon to be deprecated :( |
| 04:10.20 | jetscreamer | seamonkey yuck what a gh.. lame name |
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| 04:10.51 | Serinity | Any more stable flash plugin than macromedia's ? |
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| 04:10.55 | Serinity | seamonkey ? |
| 04:10.59 | Serinity | this sucks |
| 04:11.10 | Serinity | What they all have to do with monkeys ? |
| 04:11.41 | Serinity | ultramonkey, now seamonkey... :( |
| 04:11.54 | stoned | what are you on about? |
| 04:11.54 | DaBlade | How do I solve this error in a configure script? |
| 04:11.57 | DaBlade | *** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.6.6, but GLIB (2.10.2) |
| 04:11.57 | DaBlade | *** was found! |
| 04:12.46 | magyar | anyone good with bash? |
| 04:12.57 | magyar | am stuk |
| 04:13.04 | valdyn | DaBlade: in which debian release? |
| 04:13.05 | stoned | #bash |
| 04:13.06 | Serinity | magyar, what about #bash ? |
| 04:13.12 | DaBlade | valdyn: Etch |
| 04:13.33 | valdyn | DaBlade: have you installed non-debian glib at some time? |
| 04:13.55 | DaBlade | valdyn: Possible, if I was faced with a dependency problem, but I can't remember specifically if I have or not. |
| 04:14.03 | magyar | Serinity: i have a directory popusers/ in it 40 users directories. I need to create in each directory a couple of subdirectories |
| 04:14.20 | magyar | noone there |
| 04:14.26 | colby | anyone have suggestions for the easiest way to install packages needed for C development? the oldstable version had task-c-dev, but i'm not seeing anything comparable now, except maybe build-essential which would get you part of the way. |
| 04:14.48 | DaBlade | valdyn: So what do I do |
| 04:14.52 | Serinity | magyar, i'd think in something like for i in popusers; do .... |
| 04:15.16 | valdyn | DaBlade: strace -eopen pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0 2>&1 | grep glib-2.0.pc |
| 04:15.21 | DaBlade | open("/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc", O_RDONLY) = 3 |
| 04:15.33 | valdyn | DaBlade: that file is not a debian file |
| 04:15.45 | DaBlade | Alright, then I guess I have. :P |
| 04:15.50 | valdyn | DaBlade: you may want to remove glib completely from /usr/local/ |
| 04:15.50 | Serinity | magyar, no need to be good at bash for this, it's very basic |
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| 04:16.11 | DaBlade | valdyn: Can't I just somehow tell pkg-config to read it from there? |
| 04:16.12 | Mr-5150 | ok i just joind the domain using smbclient -L server1 -U administrator |
| 04:16.19 | Alam_Debian | i installed cups, 1.2.1 and it not readdng my cupsd.conf file to allow outside addresses to print! ahhh! |
| 04:16.32 | Mr-5150 | but i can't find the web drive? can anybody tell me where it is? |
| 04:16.32 | valdyn | DaBlade: it should not read it from there but from /usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc |
| 04:16.49 | DaBlade | valdyn: So can I tell the configure file to look there? |
| 04:16.52 | valdyn | DaBlade: you can try using the PKG_CONFIG_PATH= env |
| 04:17.28 | valdyn | DaBlade: maybe you just miss and need to install the DEBIAN glib dev pachage |
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| 04:18.38 | DaBlade | valdyn: It's already installed |
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| 04:21.17 | WIng-Zero | helllo |
| 04:21.27 | WIng-Zero | anyone familiar enuff with pureftpd to help me |
| 04:21.59 | WIng-Zero | i have it installed users made but i need help getting authentication to run with server |
| 04:23.02 | DaBlade | valdyn: I'm not sure what to do. |
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| 04:24.45 | Tak|home | is there some gotcha with recent xorg in sid? |
| 04:24.52 | mhall | lol. I love this mplayer error: Everything done. Thank you for downloading a media file containing proprietary and patented technology. |
| 04:24.52 | wackitywoo | I'm able to ifconfig my eth0 card but I am unable to connect to the internet. What else do I need to check? |
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| 04:25.23 | stoned | wackitywoo, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/network/interfaces for proper network info |
| 04:25.43 | stoned | wackitywoo, fix the files if need be, then ifdown and ifup on eth0 |
| 04:26.08 | Shai-tan | is it OT here to talk about the Hurd port? |
| 04:26.32 | stoned | shaitan ul azeem |
| 04:26.35 | stoned | ;) |
| 04:26.46 | Shai-tan | what? |
| 04:26.55 | stoned | its arabic for Satan is Great |
| 04:27.01 | Shai-tan | thanks man |
| 04:27.03 | stoned | np |
| 04:27.07 | Shai-tan | I have to remember that |
| 04:27.18 | Shai-tan | yeah I got the name from a book series |
| 04:27.21 | tonsofpcs | ok, I need some help... I installed naim, but it had un-met dependencies, although it works fine without them met, now apt-get complains about those dependencies any time I try to install any package, and -f makes it want to remove naim. Any way to fix this without removing naim? |
| 04:27.26 | wackitywoo | I tried to ifdown it and it says that it is not configured. |
| 04:27.27 | Shai-tan | not realising what it meant |
| 04:27.30 | tonsofpcs | I don't want to fake it into thinking I have those two packages, I want it to stop complaining about them being depends of naim. |
| 04:27.52 | magyar | for i in popusers; do /usr/bin/maildirmake -f Drafts Maildir; done maildirmake: No such file or directory |
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| 04:29.02 | Tak|home | it's from Dune |
| 04:29.18 | stoned | whats from dune? |
| 04:29.24 | WIng-Zero | helllo |
| 04:29.27 | WIng-Zero | anyone familiar enuff with pureftpd to help me |
| 04:29.27 | WIng-Zero | i have it installed users made but i need help getting authentication to run with server |
| 04:29.36 | Shai-tan | I got the name from The Wheel of Time |
| 04:29.43 | Shai-tan | a book series |
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| 04:30.14 | gavagai | what manpage do i read to learn how to add a preexisting user to a group? |
| 04:30.27 | stoned | gavagai, adduser |
| 04:30.31 | tonsofpcs | adduser |
| 04:30.32 | gavagai | thanks |
| 04:30.34 | WIng-Zero | ? |
| 04:30.35 | WIng-Zero | anyone |
| 04:30.37 | servus | usermod -G newgroup myuser |
| 04:31.06 | DaBlade | How do I make a configure file read glib from /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib instead of /usr/local/include/glib-2.0/glib? |
| 04:31.26 | Tak|home | anyway, is anybody having xorg freezes at startup on sid? |
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| 04:32.41 | Tak|home | particularly I'm getting all these weird messages in Xorg.0.log: (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 3, 0x8000, 0x0000005c, 0x00000d30, 0) |
| 04:33.17 | DaBlade | Can anyone help me out? |
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| 04:34.07 | Shai-tan | Ok Ill ask again: is it OT here to talk about the Hurd port? |
| 04:34.31 | valdyn | Shai-tan: no |
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| 04:34.40 | Shai-tan | thanks |
| 04:34.59 | Shai-tan | I tried the grub super CD thingy to pick up my hurd install |
| 04:35.15 | Shai-tan | but for some reason nothing picked up |
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| 04:35.34 | Shai-tan | I even tried the stuff on the debian hurd installation page |
| 04:35.37 | Shai-tan | got nothing |
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| 04:36.02 | DaBlade | <nag>How do I make a configure file read glib from /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib instead of /usr/local/include/glib-2.0/glib?</nag> |
| 04:36.21 | Shai-tan | I believe itll be best to try crosshurd |
| 04:36.45 | Shai-tan | anyone else have this problem? |
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| 04:37.13 | DaBlade | Not me. Then again, I've only used Hurd once and that was a LiveCD. |
| 04:37.31 | Shai-tan | yeah |
| 04:37.48 | Shai-tan | the live cd doesnt have enough features for me |
| 04:37.57 | Shai-tan | I might have to try k9 |
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| 04:38.05 | DaBlade | Shai-tan: How does one start X in hurd? |
| 04:38.12 | shai | :) |
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| 04:38.22 | DaBlade | Shai-tan: I spent ten minutes on the livecd just looking for a way to start Xorg |
| 04:38.37 | Shai-tan | yeah Im not sure about the live CD |
| 04:38.42 | Shai-tan | but man x states |
| 04:38.44 | Shai-tan | using startx or xstart |
| 04:38.51 | Shai-tan | and xdm |
| 04:38.51 | DaBlade | Looked around |
| 04:38.53 | Shai-tan | but none work |
| 04:38.55 | DaBlade | Couldn't find anything. |
| 04:38.59 | Shai-tan | neither ah |
| 04:39.00 | DaBlade | lol |
| 04:39.03 | Shai-tan | Im new to Hurd |
| 04:39.17 | DaBlade | I for one am sticking to vmlinuz for now. |
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| 04:39.29 | Shai-tan | I quite like what I have seen though |
| 04:39.32 | DaBlade | Being a regular desktop user, I have no reason whatsoever to go over to the Hurd. |
| 04:39.39 | Shai-tan | lol |
| 04:39.43 | Shai-tan | I do it for fun |
| 04:39.46 | wackitywoo | How come debian installs with grub whereas it used to install with lilo? |
| 04:39.51 | Shai-tan | and I get paid at work to do it |
| 04:39.55 | DaBlade | that's why I tried the livecd |
| 04:40.06 | DaBlade | Fun that is |
| 04:40.17 | Shai-tan | yeah |
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| 04:40.20 | Shai-tan | just play around |
| 04:40.30 | Shai-tan | see what I can learn to help the company |
| 04:40.30 | DaBlade | Hmm... more people entered. I'll renag. |
| 04:40.33 | DaBlade | <nag>How do I make a configure file read glib from /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib instead of /usr/local/include/glib-2.0/glib?</nag> |
| 04:41.03 | DaBlade | Shai-tan: Try asking in #gnu or something |
| 04:41.13 | valdyn | DaBlade: you should remove that useless old glib completely from /usr/local |
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| 04:41.29 | DaBlade | valdyn: What if something depends on it or whatever? |
| 04:41.29 | valdyn | DaBlade: and libgtk with it if you have that there |
| 04:41.44 | valdyn | DaBlade: nothing should depend on that specific glib |
| 04:41.49 | DaBlade | Ok |
| 04:41.55 | DaBlade | So do I just rm -rf it or something else? |
| 04:41.55 | Shai-tan | oh yeah lol Im a dumbass |
| 04:42.03 | valdyn | DaBlade: you can back it up though |
| 04:42.03 | Shai-tan | I should have thought of GNU |
| 04:42.09 | DaBlade | valdyn: Okay. |
| 04:43.33 | Shai-tan | DaBlade: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install try here and go to the bottom |
| 04:43.39 | Shai-tan | that might be hows its done |
| 04:43.50 | Shai-tan | or something to that extent |
| 04:44.02 | DaBlade | valdyn: checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no |
| 04:44.13 | DaBlade | Shai-tan: As I said, I don't need the Hurd. :p |
| 04:44.25 | valdyn | DaBlade: already told you you may be missing the debian packages |
| 04:44.38 | DaBlade | valdyn: They're installed |
| 04:44.51 | DaBlade | valdyn: they're in /usr/include/glib-2.0 I think |
| 04:45.09 | valdyn | DaBlade: dpkg -l libglib2.0-dev | tail -1 |
| 04:45.33 | DaBlade | ii libglib2.0-dev 2.10.2-1 Development files for the GLib library |
| 04:46.03 | Gokee2 | Hey all I have a problem. My debian system was running really slow so I decided to restart it. But it won`t come back up. It stops on "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." |
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| 04:46.26 | DaBlade | Gokee2: Looks like your file system (or perhaps hard drive) is broken |
| 04:46.33 | valdyn | DaBlade: what did you really remove? |
| 04:46.39 | Gokee2 | O hey now that its been about 5 min is droped to a shell saying /dev/hdb4 does not exist |
| 04:46.50 | DaBlade | valdyn: I just mv-ed /usr/local/include/glib-2.0 |
| 04:47.07 | valdyn | DaBlade: that was not enough |
| 04:47.20 | DaBlade | valdyn: What more do I need to do then? |
| 04:47.35 | Gokee2 | DaBlade, Ya thats what I thought, so I booted up in another old debian I have around (its xserver does not work) and mounted /dev/hdb4. Everything was normal. |
| 04:47.36 | valdyn | DaBlade: you have a useless /usr/local/lib/libglib* now and useless /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc |
| 04:47.59 | itchi | Gokee2: If you want to know, i got an HDD crashed 2 days ago. An HDD with my archieves. You know, sinds i have not sleep, and now i setup an software RAID1 2 ata ide disk |
| 04:48.28 | tonsofpcs | anyone? |
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| 04:48.34 | valdyn | DaBlade: after you remove that cruft, run ldconfig as root and then you configure script |
| 04:48.39 | DaBlade | okay |
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| 04:49.16 | itchi | Gokee2: I'm so crazy that i go go to ruin my an buy another one ide disk to add on my new Software Raid |
| 04:49.33 | Gokee2 | heh |
| 04:49.43 | Gokee2 | But mine mounts just fine.... |
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| 04:50.01 | Gokee2 | I just can`t boot from that part |
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| 04:50.46 | DaBlade | valdyn: The configure file completed. Thanks :D |
| 04:50.52 | itchi | Gokee2: Yeah, my crash was 120 GB data :-/ So backups are there, a bit outdated. Not really dramatic. But there are some things loose. So that why i build an very cheap software raid. 2 ide 80 GB |
| 04:51.13 | Gokee2 | hmmm |
| 04:51.32 | Tak|home | aha! my video card got mis-seated somehow |
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| 04:52.14 | Gokee2 | Why would it start booting if the hard drive had crashed? And why can I mount it just fine in my other debian install if the hard drive is gone? |
| 04:52.16 | itchi | Gokee2: I put it in an Old computer, no scsi f* dollars. Just cheap pata(no sata) ide in an old P3 600MHz, 128 MB ram |
| 04:52.42 | itchi | Gokee2: I hope it would no more suck my again, you know :-/ |
| 04:52.43 | DaBlade | Gokee2: Perhaps you've screwed up your Debian installation? |
| 04:52.48 | Gokee2 | I am thinking of making a raid with my two 80`s |
| 04:53.12 | itchi | Gokee2: RAID1, So that the 2 HDD are mirrored |
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| 04:53.22 | Gokee2 | DaBlade, hmmm... I could have... But I have not done anything to it for awhile |
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| 04:53.43 | itchi | Gokee2: You loose a bit in speed, but the thing you would setup is to get it _safe_ |
| 04:53.50 | DaBlade | Gokee2: But you booted it with that system, although only mounted it with another |
| 04:53.54 | DaBlade | Gokee2: run fsck on it |
| 04:54.10 | Gokee2 | DaBlade, ok |
| 04:54.19 | Arafangion | Gokee2: The ideal system, imho, is to have 3HD's. (Alas, I have yet to use RAID) |
| 04:54.40 | Gokee2 | hmmm I have 4HD`s |
| 04:54.42 | DaBlade | Gokee2: (I've never even used a RAID system before so I really don't know jack about it, I've only got experience with my desktop system) |
| 04:54.43 | itchi | Gokee2: I want to add an 3 HDD in the RAID1. I begin to go crazy |
| 04:54.47 | Arafangion | Gokee2: Even better. |
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| 04:55.07 | Arafangion | Gokee2: Use a raid that allows you to loose any random HDD. |
| 04:55.12 | itchi | DaBlade: It's my first software RAID1 setup |
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| 04:55.28 | itchi | [=============>.......] recovery = 65.9% (52815744/80043136) finish=149.7 |
| 04:55.34 | Arafangion | Gokee2: Or setup two raid mirrors, then stipe across those. |
| 04:55.34 | cam | servus, hmm this script "http://rafb.net/paste/results/RHhARY55.html" is for downloading each pkg automatically and not type the aptèget again ... but it's not what i'm looking for .. I mean, I would like to tell apt to use multiple threads to grab the pkgs instead of getting them one after one |
| 04:55.39 | DaBlade | itchi: I only got a single 200GB hard drive system. (Well...technically speaking, there's also my dad's NTFS drive, but I dont use it) |
| 04:56.14 | cam | servus, ok ... I could run 2 instances of this script |
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| 04:56.49 | itchi | DaBlade: You coulde take 2 HDD of differents size to get more speed. You not _choose_ to get it safe but need _performance_ with simply ide disks |
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| 04:57.44 | DaBlade | itchi: Rephraze that please |
| 04:57.51 | alexbodn | hello, do you know what in udev or in the new user-mode-linux package broke networking? |
| 04:58.32 | itchi | DaBlade: I have choose to use RAID1 so that my 2 HDD are mirrored. But with (software) RAID you can choose to get more performance an not use for safe usage |
| 04:58.45 | sirius__ | What was the package to allow access to NTFS File systems ? |
| 04:58.59 | Gokee2 | DaBlade, hmmm fsck said it could not find a superblock on it... I was right to not mount is before running fsck? It said to use --rebuild-sb but I can`t get that to work |
| 04:59.09 | itchi | !ntfs |
| 04:59.09 | dpkg | ntfs is probably Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
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| 04:59.46 | DaBlade | Gokee2: As I said, I never did anything with RAID or anything.. I'm just making guesses. |
| 04:59.48 | alexbodn | ntfsprogs |
| 04:59.59 | iiiears | !ntfs author |
| 05:00.01 | DaBlade | itchi: I don't really need it. |
| 05:00.12 | iiiears | nice quote |
| 05:00.14 | DaBlade | itchi: I'm a file sharer. Storage capacity, and not performance matters to me. |
| 05:00.27 | Gokee2 | DaBlade, eh? I don`t have a raid... I said I want to set one up sometime |
| 05:00.39 | DaBlade | Oh. |
| 05:00.54 | alexbodn | !ntfsprogs |
| 05:00.57 | DaBlade | Well, I never had hard drive trouble either so I'm not experienced with that either. :P |
| 05:00.59 | itchi | Gokee2: Software RAID are RAID but with software and simple ide pata/sata HDD |
| 05:01.48 | iiiears | Is software RAID any faster? Much cheaper i know. |
| 05:02.41 | Gokee2 | Ah I needed to use fsck.ext3 |
| 05:03.19 | itchi | iiiears: I can not tell about it |
| 05:03.25 | mhall | Damn it. Somebody to whom I mistakenly gave my email address keeps insisting upon sending me glurge. |
| 05:03.29 | mhall | Yecch! |
| 05:03.40 | shogunx | Gokee2, indeed. after a while, the beauty of hotswapping out a failed raid becomes apparent. |
| 05:03.57 | Arafangion | Gokee2: I have had an HDD on my server die once, and my backup server twice. :( |
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| 05:04.11 | veamoss | which is the xserver command to reconfigure it- |
| 05:04.15 | veamoss | ? |
| 05:04.15 | iiiears | Invitations to poker sites or pr0n? If it's pr0n do you have his name? - rofl |
| 05:04.17 | Gokee2 | ouch |
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| 05:04.25 | Arafangion | Gokee2: If I could afford it, I'd definetly play with raid. |
| 05:04.29 | shogunx | i've gone through piles of hds through the years. |
| 05:04.49 | Arafangion | Actually, I suspect the last hdd failure I had was a dust and heat problem. |
| 05:04.54 | jetscreamer | !tell veamoss -about drxx |
| 05:04.57 | CompWizrd | i get to hot swap out a failed raid every couple days, on a 15x300 array |
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| 05:05.03 | Gokee2 | fsck.ext3 says everything checks out on the drive |
| 05:05.09 | mhall | iiiears: talk about the worst kind of data files to lose |
| 05:05.10 | Arafangion | CompWizrd: What's that? |
| 05:05.12 | veamoss | thanks |
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| 05:05.27 | CompWizrd | Arafangion: Maxtor Maxline 7v300f0's, with firmware va111670 |
| 05:05.27 | shogunx | CompWizrd, thats a big array. |
| 05:05.33 | CompWizrd | need to call maxtor and get the va111680 firmware |
| 05:05.42 | CompWizrd | va111630 and below don't work with nforce4 either |
| 05:05.45 | mhall | iiiears: God help my drive manufacturer if I ever lose pr0n off of one of their disks. |
| 05:05.45 | Arafangion | CompWizrd: Was wondering if that was a 15 times 300 disc array! |
| 05:05.48 | jetscreamer | !fuck maxtor |
| 05:05.51 | CompWizrd | oh, it is 15x300 gig |
| 05:06.01 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 05:06.02 | Arafangion | CompWizrd: Nice. |
| 05:06.06 | mhall | CompWizrd: Is it full? |
| 05:06.10 | CompWizrd | 3ware 9550SX-16ML controller, in a 133mhz pci-x slot |
| 05:06.15 | CompWizrd | mhall: about one third. |
| 05:06.19 | mhall | CompWizrd: If so, from what, and can I get some of the backup media. |
| 05:06.24 | CompWizrd | would you like me to archive your porn? |
| 05:06.27 | shogunx | CompWizrd, you lose 1 of 15 disks every 2-3 days? |
| 05:06.33 | mhall | CompWizrd: You can archive it if you want. |
| 05:06.39 | CompWizrd | shogunx: they need to be powered off, and plugged back in and then it works again |
| 05:06.44 | CompWizrd | it's a firmware bug with the maxline's |
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| 05:06.53 | CompWizrd | maxtor says they've fixed it, i just haven't gotten around to getting the latest version |
| 05:07.06 | shogunx | CompWizrd, ahh. comprendo. |
| 05:07.12 | Arafangion | CompWizrd: The whole point of raid is reliabily, that should never happen :( |
| 05:07.17 | CompWizrd | Arafangion: yeah, learning that the hardway |
| 05:07.20 | CompWizrd | but it's fast! |
| 05:07.21 | mhall | CompWizrd: my upload is not real good. i tried to get FTTH but it's not available yet |
| 05:07.25 | CompWizrd | 600+ meg per second reads, 200 meg writes |
| 05:07.37 | mhall | CompWizrd: if i had the local FTTH service i could give you 10mbit access |
| 05:07.42 | Gokee2 | damn |
| 05:07.54 | Gokee2 | Its annoying having my main computer down |
| 05:08.02 | CompWizrd | without any tuning besides fixing blockdev --setra to sometihng sane |
| 05:08.04 | shogunx | mhall if only we had local FTTH! |
| 05:08.07 | Gokee2 | without synergy all my old keyboards come out |
| 05:08.08 | mhall | the bets part about 10mbit X 10mbit FTTH is it's only $50 per month |
| 05:08.19 | mhall | shogunx: ya rly, it's also amazingly cheap see above ^^^ |
| 05:08.39 | shogunx | mhall we always get everything last in florida. |
| 05:08.44 | mhall | shogunx: supposedly it's available a few blocks away. i hope and i pray, for the very sacred day |
| 05:08.52 | CompWizrd | oh, and 2 opteron 265's in the machine as well.. lots of cpu power available |
| 05:08.52 | shogunx | indeed |
| 05:08.55 | mhall | shogunx: except political cockups and felons. you get them first. |
| 05:09.02 | CompWizrd | draws 400 watts at the wall, idle. |
| 05:09.10 | shogunx | mhall well, they have to train somewhere... |
| 05:09.24 | mhall | CompWizrd: hmm, 400 watts. watt the hell is going on inside your power meter? |
| 05:09.33 | mhall | hmm. electricity is what, 20 cents per kwh |
| 05:09.40 | CompWizrd | mhall: about 10, canadian :) |
| 05:09.41 | CompWizrd | cents |
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| 05:09.52 | CompWizrd | 5 for the electricity and 5 for distribution |
| 05:09.57 | mhall | CompWizrd: your machine costs perhaps a toonie a day |
| 05:10.05 | shogunx | CompWizrd, you need some solid state storage. would pay for itself quick enough in power alone:) |
| 05:10.13 | CompWizrd | but anyways, 15 hard drives, 2 dual core cpu's, a 760 watt redundant power supply, a trident 9440 video card, and the 3ware card |
| 05:10.14 | itchi | CompWizrd: Actually speed=3204K/sec i need to fine tune a bit, but i wait, like i have start the setup of the RAID1 and the second disk are now on recovery |
| 05:10.22 | veamoss | 'E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)' what does it mean? |
| 05:10.27 | mhall | shogunx: i dunno. 15x300GB is A LOT of RAM |
| 05:10.40 | CompWizrd | the fun part is, i've pulled two modules out of the power supply whiel it was running, and it kept going |
| 05:10.43 | mhall | shogunx: and RAM apparently gets pretty hot when you have that much of it in one place --> lots o' watts |
| 05:10.45 | Gokee2 | er... does anyone know the name of the console part editer? The one thats not command line |
| 05:10.48 | CompWizrd | even though each module is only rated for 380 watts each |
| 05:10.56 | mhall | CompWizrd: don't do thayt |
| 05:11.01 | shogunx | mhall more power than spinning motors? |
| 05:11.10 | mhall | shogunx: for small sizes probably not |
| 05:11.15 | CompWizrd | mhall: i'd rather find out while testing the machine that the power supply will blow up when someone pulls two out of three cords out accidentally |
| 05:11.15 | CompWizrd | :) |
| 05:11.16 | itchi | Gokee2: cfdisk |
| 05:11.20 | mhall | shogunx: but for 15x300 GB it might be a wash |
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| 05:11.26 | Arafangion | CompWizrd: How many HDD's can you loose and still have your data? |
| 05:11.30 | CompWizrd | Arafangion: one. :) |
| 05:11.32 | Gokee2 | itchi, Thats it! Thanks |
| 05:11.32 | mhall | CompWizrd: hmm. that's scary. |
| 05:11.36 | Arafangion | CompWizrd: That's scary. |
| 05:11.39 | CompWizrd | yes. |
| 05:11.39 | shogunx | mhall yep, more than likely. then again, you don't need to raid it. |
| 05:11.42 | itchi | Gokee2: It's an easy to use ;-) |
| 05:11.43 | mhall | CompWizrd: pray nobody ever does that |
| 05:11.43 | Arafangion | CompWizrd: You should have at least 2 for that number. |
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| 05:11.50 | CompWizrd | that's why there's an external 16 slot DLT-V4 autoloader |
| 05:11.57 | CompWizrd | and a single 1U DLT-v4 drive |
| 05:11.58 | mhall | shogunx: hmm but you gotta have battery backup and ECC memory i suppose |
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| 05:12.09 | CompWizrd | and it's a backup server anyways, so if the whole thing goes up in fire i'll pee on it, and we'll buy new hardware |
| 05:12.16 | mhall | CompWizrd: this computer probably costs $30000 |
| 05:12.27 | CompWizrd | mhall: under 10k ,with the tape drives, if i remember right |
| 05:12.37 | CompWizrd | dell/hp/ibm wanted about 20k without the tape drives |
| 05:12.44 | shogunx | mhall well, thats nice too, of course, but there a re ide flash disks on the market now. expensive, $400 for 8 gigs. |
| 05:12.44 | mhall | CompWizrd: ! robot tape drives are ... expensive as fuck |
| 05:12.50 | iiiears | CompWizrd: Poweroff before you pee on it. - lol |
| 05:12.53 | mhall | CompWizrd: and aren't the tapes nearly $100 each |
| 05:13.01 | CompWizrd | mhall: 3500 for the 2.56 TB array, tapes are about 35 bucks each for 160/320 gig tapes |
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| 05:13.16 | CompWizrd | runs at about 8 meg a second for backups |
| 05:13.19 | mhall | CompWizrd: hmm the sites i used to surf must've been bullshit sites |
| 05:13.25 | CompWizrd | so it's slower than say an LTO, but a lot cheaper |
| 05:13.31 | CompWizrd | uses VS1 dlt tapes |
| 05:13.33 | mhall | CompWizrd: LTO? |
| 05:13.40 | CompWizrd | linear tape something |
| 05:13.49 | CompWizrd | LTO is the high end in standard business level tapes |
| 05:13.50 | shogunx | mhall if your power was stable enough (read triply redundant) a big fat ramdick might be fun:) |
| 05:14.03 | mhall | CompWizrd: hmm these days i've heard it's often cheaper to back up onto a SAN |
| 05:14.13 | CompWizrd | mhall: yeah, but the SAN costs more than the entire server |
| 05:14.15 | CompWizrd | :) |
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| 05:14.26 | mhall | CompWizrd: there are some SATA ones that don't cost too much |
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| 05:14.35 | mhall | CompWizrd: one of my friends worked at the national lab and they got one |
| 05:14.38 | CompWizrd | yeah, but this machine is a backup server.. it's only needed when the desktops die |
| 05:14.44 | shogunx | CompWizrd, not to mention SAN's being wastes of computing power in thier hosts. |
| 05:14.55 | mhall | shogunx: that's the point |
| 05:15.00 | CompWizrd | oh, and it takes awhile to e2fsck 3.8 T |
| 05:15.02 | mhall | shogunx: waste the CPU in *one* place |
| 05:15.12 | mhall | CompWizrd: don't use e2 on 3.8 TB |
| 05:15.23 | CompWizrd | oh, and the 15x300 array? boots off a 16 meg compact flash card in a CF to ide adapter |
| 05:15.30 | CompWizrd | mhall: e3 :) |
| 05:15.41 | mhall | CompWizrd: you should have used at minumum e3 and probably jfs since i think jfs supports file contents journals |
| 05:15.43 | shogunx | mhall yep. i like penguinizing SANs for the usually powerful hosts in them. |
| 05:15.51 | itchi | CompWizrd: I setup RAID1 with 2 pata ide disk of 80 GB as data backup server. Normally i put an 3 ide on it when i have move my ass :-/ |
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| 05:16.16 | CompWizrd | my other dual opteron 265 is a samba and postgresql db |
| 05:16.19 | mhall | CompWizrd: XFS is kind of bad for a backup because because it only journals metadata, which doesn't work if there's a failure in the middle of an appended file |
| 05:16.22 | CompWizrd | the postgresql database fits in the l2 cache on the opterons. |
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| 05:16.27 | CompWizrd | not sure why i bought so much power :) |
| 05:16.36 | itchi | CompWizrd: sata disk of 80 GB cost 48 euro's here |
| 05:16.42 | itchi | s/sata/pata |
| 05:17.16 | itchi | mhall: It's an old computer i use :-/ |
| 05:17.24 | shogunx | still working on using all the seagate scsi disks i bought back when. |
| 05:17.33 | mhall | itchi: :-/ |
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| 05:18.09 | itchi | mhall: I got an archieves disk crashed 2 days ago. So you know my stress |
| 05:18.55 | mhall | itchi: ack |
| 05:19.15 | mhall | itchi: well i can go over to the local NEC campus and pay homage to the storage gods |
| 05:19.23 | mhall | itchi: and again next week when I start work at HP |
| 05:19.25 | itchi | mhall: lol |
| 05:19.40 | CompWizrd | oooooh, hp.. you can kick the engineers who designed the EIO boards for me! |
| 05:19.44 | jetscreamer | error in control file: `Index' value missing for format `info' at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 709, </usr/share/doc-base/multiboot> line 13. |
| 05:19.44 | CompWizrd | the jetdirect 610 and 615's |
| 05:19.49 | jetscreamer | tsk |
| 05:20.15 | jetscreamer | linux.hp.com |
| 05:20.15 | mhall | shit something blew away my webserver |
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| 05:20.35 | shogunx_ | mhall hey can you score a schematic for my hp omnibook so i can figure out which component failed on the battery power:) |
| 05:21.00 | mhall | doh little did i know what i'd gotten myself into announcing that |
| 05:21.07 | jetscreamer | !info libgts-0.7-5 |
| 05:21.08 | shogunx_ | j/k |
| 05:21.11 | mhall | i'm sorry to say i'm just a network security expert guys |
| 05:21.13 | dpkg | libgts-0.7-5: (GNU Triangulated Surface Library -- runtime environment), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.7.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 175 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
| 05:21.16 | shogunx_ | its a console for a cluster now. |
| 05:21.21 | sirius__ | man i wish i could get fglrx working :( |
| 05:21.34 | mhall | sirius__: switch to nvidia |
| 05:21.42 | sirius__ | mhall: you go buy me the card |
| 05:21.51 | jetscreamer | the fix for the nvidia installer is to install xserver-xorg-dev |
| 05:21.52 | Shai-tan | nvidious |
| 05:21.56 | jetscreamer | you could try that |
| 05:22.26 | jetscreamer | !ati |
| 05:22.26 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
| 05:22.49 | Shai-tan | !hurd |
| 05:22.49 | dpkg | it has been said that hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://ports.debian.org/ports/hurd for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hug |
| 05:23.08 | sirius__ | jetscreamer: ive tried that ati thing im either doing it wrong or its not working for me |
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| 05:23.18 | Arafangion | 16:26 -!- Topic for #hug: Rule 1: Be a good neighbor | This chan is about hugging, for the GNU Hurd, see #hurd | http://www.geocities.com/siser1_2002/Hugs.htm |
| 05:24.13 | Shai-tan | lol |
| 05:24.37 | mhall | !tell jetscreamer about nvidia one-liner |
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| 05:29.54 | alexbodn | does anybody know what /dev/anon is? |
| 05:30.04 | Roots | What do I do if tell synaptic to force it to use an older version so that other packages do not remain broken, but when I force the version it automatically rolls right back to the latest version that I can't install (due to unavailable kernel versions that the later version relies on) |
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| 05:31.11 | CompWizrd | alexbodn: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/devanon.html |
| 05:31.35 | alexbodn | thanks, might help! |
| 05:32.34 | wackitywoo | How come the emacs package isn't on the 1st install cd anymore! |
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| 05:33.01 | gavagai | because it takes two cds |
| 05:33.03 | liable | wackitywoo: its determened on the popularity of packages |
| 05:33.06 | liable | hah |
| 05:33.23 | wackitywoo | it used to all be on the 1st cd |
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| 05:33.32 | gavagai | :) |
| 05:34.27 | Vasistha | Roots: I don't quite understand your question, but I know that sometimes synaptic has not listened to me, and I have had to change settings in one of the /etc/apt directories |
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| 05:34.41 | Vasistha | Roots: err, "configuration files" |
| 05:34.49 | Roots | Okay, thanks Vasistha. That's what I thought I would have to do too |
| 05:35.19 | Vasistha | wackitywoo: "all"? what do you mean by "all"? Last I checked woody was 11 cds for "everything".... ;-) |
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| 05:36.18 | mhall | tough luck wackitywoo. they must have decided your packages were too wookitywac to be included on CD #1 |
| 05:36.38 | wackitywoo | emacs used to be on the first cd! |
| 05:36.47 | mhall | wackitywoo: you could always switch ubuntu, and then nothing will be on any of the CDs |
| 05:37.04 | mhall | wackitywoo: so then there wouldn't be any discrimination from one package to the next |
| 05:37.13 | alexbodn | CompWizrd: are you using uml on debian? |
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| 05:37.54 | CompWizrd | alexbodn: no |
| 05:38.05 | Vasistha | mhall: heheh |
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| 05:38.14 | mhall | alexbodn: for sw engineering? |
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| 05:38.36 | alexbodn | yes, multi distro, etc |
| 05:39.24 | alexbodn | mhall: i'm doing packaging, and i'm trying to support older debians too |
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| 05:39.51 | iiiears | What privelidges would a PERL script that calls ispell for xchat run under? |
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| 05:39.54 | veamoss | how can I see an url dns by terminal' |
| 05:39.55 | veamoss | _ |
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| 05:40.03 | alexbodn | mhall: are you using uml? |
| 05:40.21 | mhall | alexbodn: i did actually use some uml just recently |
| 05:40.30 | mhall | cbr: ee --> estonia? |
| 05:40.44 | Gnea | veamoss: strip out the hostname and ping it |
| 05:40.50 | Vasistha | iiiears: I assum you're running xchat as your normal user, so I assume xchat would call perl with the same permissions that perl is usually called with if you call it as yourself... of course I could be wrong, I've never used perl ;-) |
| 05:41.01 | mhall | i'm gonna roll to in-n-out burger in my stylin' corona bikini babe shirt. let's see if anybody approves of it |
| 05:41.22 | mhall | Vasistha: good. it's bad for you. |
| 05:41.26 | Gnea | mhall: mmmmm, artery clogging deliciousness! |
| 05:41.39 | Vasistha | mhall: you're going to in-'n-out, of all places, can't imagine too many people should object, of course that kinda depends on your neighborhood! |
| 05:41.46 | veamoss | what commando can I use to knoe an url IP? |
| 05:41.55 | alexbodn | mhall:on my system, the network stopped when i switched to udev, or user-mode-linux 2.6.16 |
| 05:42.00 | Gnea | veamoss: ping, host |
| 05:42.02 | Vasistha | veamoss: uh... ping? ping -c 1 |
| 05:42.07 | cbr | mhall: yes |
| 05:42.16 | tr011 | veamoss, host |
| 05:42.20 | iiiears | Vasistha: Nice, Thank You. (It runs for an older version of xchat good to know before getting into it.) |
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| 05:42.42 | Gnea | !elive |
| 05:42.42 | dpkg | well, elive is a livecd (installable) project and a perfectly distro based in debian and have only the enlightenment WM for managing all the system, utilities, libs, instalation, programation in EFL... the best distro in the world for this moments :) |
| 05:42.52 | Elive_user5 | how do I configure my hardware? the cursor moves so slow and I cant click by tapping on the touchpad |
| 05:43.01 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 05:43.01 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 05:43.11 | mhall | Vasistha: they elect conservative family oriented republicans here. |
| 05:43.12 | Vasistha | Gnea: what is that elive factoid supposed to say?? the english is totally confused... |
| 05:43.14 | mhall | Gnea: HEHEHEHEHE |
| 05:43.23 | Vasistha | mhall: where are ya? (I'm in Los Angeles) |
| 05:43.38 | Gnea | Vasistha: it basically says that we don't support Elive :) |
| 05:43.48 | Elive_user5 | who gives a shet that youre in LA |
| 05:43.57 | Elive_user5 | I want general help |
| 05:44.01 | Elive_user5 | not elive specific |
| 05:44.06 | mhall | Vasistha: norcal. suburb of sacramento. subdivisions and strip malls. |
| 05:44.11 | stew | Elive_user5: sorry we can't help you here. try #elive or #elive-unstable |
| 05:44.13 | veamoss | how can I enter to my debian account from other computer? |
| 05:44.16 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: well I'll be sure to help you since you're so friendly ;-) |
| 05:44.20 | Gnea | Elive_user5: well, you're not going to get it here, especially with that attitude. |
| 05:44.20 | veamoss | ssh...? |
| 05:44.22 | mhall | Elive_user5: here's some general help. pull your heard out of you ass and be nice to us. |
| 05:44.37 | stew | mhall: easy |
| 05:44.38 | iiiears | Vasistha: Happy to leave Los Angeles for San Diego traffic. - Variety ya know. - grin) |
| 05:45.00 | Elive_user5 | ok people, I am nice to you |
| 05:45.02 | Elive_user5 | :D |
| 05:45.07 | cbr | mhall: what about it? |
| 05:45.09 | alexbodn | ssh |
| 05:45.26 | Elive_user5 | now who good boy will tell me |
| 05:45.27 | mhall | cbr: well i just wondered if i guessed right. i never saw the ee country code before |
| 05:45.29 | stew | Elive_user5: sorry. we can't help you, please to #elive or #elive-unstable |
| 05:45.42 | Elive_user5 | there is no one there |
| 05:45.45 | Gnea | Elive_user5: please observe and respect channel policy rules. |
| 05:45.49 | stew | Elive_user5: try a mailing list |
| 05:46.03 | Vasistha | mhall: I had a feeling you couldn't be too far; I think in-'n-out is a west coast thing |
| 05:46.07 | wackitywoo | How can I download the individual packages for emacs and put them on a cd? |
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| 05:46.08 | mhall | Elive_user5: then use another distribution with support or find a forum or mailing list. consider using the knoppix distro instead. |
| 05:46.10 | Vasistha | iiiears: heh... I love LA radio, though |
| 05:46.20 | mhall | Vasistha: farthest away i know of are LV and PHX |
| 05:46.27 | Gnea | Vasistha: we have in-n-out in phoenix too |
| 05:46.38 | mhall | Vasistha: and they are west coast, they just don't know it |
| 05:46.40 | Vasistha | wackitywoo: like, an install CD? you can use apt-get to just download, I think the option is --download or something, man apt-get |
| 05:46.42 | liable | wackitywoo: packages.debian.org |
| 05:46.51 | Elive_user5 | what wm does debian use ? |
| 05:47.01 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: any one you like |
| 05:47.01 | liable | Elive_user5: whatever you install |
| 05:47.12 | Gnea | Elive_user5: whatever the user wants it to. it doesn't even run X by default. |
| 05:47.34 | wackitywoo | I am at packages.debian.org, I'm trying to find the package |
| 05:47.34 | mhall | Vasistha: my city is fucked up. it has 100000 people and 2 in-n-outs. across the freeway from each other. |
| 05:47.39 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 05:47.47 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:47.47 | Elive_user5 | why debian based distros arent better as they re supposed to be than original debian ? |
| 05:47.48 | mhall | Vasistha: this sensless duplication pervades the entire town |
| 05:47.49 | tarzeau | mhall: mine's got 10000 people |
| 05:47.53 | Gnea | mhall: no, that's a good thing |
| 05:48.08 | stew | Elive_user5: sorry, debian based distros are off topic. if you want to compare distros, go to ##linux |
| 05:48.15 | Vasistha | mhall: hehe. what city? I know a few of the cities up there. Probably so people don't get lost getting off / getting on the freeway... |
| 05:48.17 | tonsofpcs | ok, I need some help... I installed naim on sarge, but it had un-met dependencies, although it works fine without them met, now apt-get complains about those dependencies any time I try to install any package, and -f makes it want to remove naim. Any way to fix this without removing naim? |
| 05:48.20 | liable | Elive_user5: no one here hates debian based distros, its just that we cant support them here. |
| 05:48.22 | tonsofpcs | I don't want to fake it into thinking I have those two packages, I want it to stop complaining about them being depends of naim. |
| 05:48.26 | Gnea | mhall: i suppose you'll hate me now, i've pretty much sworn off meat for the rest of my life ;) |
| 05:48.34 | wackitywoo | found it |
| 05:48.46 | Gnea | at least, meat that's produced and packaged using certain chemicals and methods |
| 05:48.49 | Elive_user5 | I am new to linux, why should I go with original debian and not a debian distro |
| 05:48.57 | mhall | Vasistha: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=10309+Fairway+Dr.,+Roseville,+California+95678+to+1803+Taylor+Rd.,+Roseville,+California+95661&om=1 |
| 05:49.00 | stew | Elive_user5: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 05:49.11 | mhall | Vasistha: a map from one to the other |
| 05:49.40 | mhall | Gnea: my dad feels similarly to you. |
| 05:49.54 | Vasistha | roseville, et? |
| 05:50.00 | mhall | Gnea: i also sympathize with the position in the sense that in-n-out is the only fast food i will eat. |
| 05:50.01 | Gnea | mhall: it's just a lifestyle choice, chow down all ya want :) |
| 05:50.06 | mhall | Vasistha: home of hp norcal |
| 05:50.10 | Vasistha | it's a place I've heard of, not a place I've been |
| 05:50.14 | mhall | Gnea: i'm not critcizing |
| 05:50.17 | mhall | Vasistha: zoom out |
| 05:50.54 | mhall | i'm the opposite |
| 05:51.00 | mhall | vegetables are the one food i don't wat |
| 05:51.02 | mhall | eat* |
| 05:51.08 | mhall | i eat all the others with glee |
| 05:51.38 | Gnea | mhall: i used to feel the same way, until the past several times i went there and was presented with something that had more grease than meat and bread - plus i work in the food industry again, so i have a pretty good clue as to what ingredients make up certain foods and which are more fucked up than others :) |
| 05:51.56 | mhall | Gnea: mmhmm |
| 05:52.02 | veamoss | how can I move a directory? |
| 05:52.08 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: well, you can go with whatever distro you want, but this particular channel is for debian support. If you want support in this channel, you'll have to go with debian, otherwise you can seek help elsewhere. |
| 05:52.12 | Vasistha | veamoss: mv |
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| 05:52.20 | veamoss | corry, cpy |
| 05:52.23 | Gnea | mhall: and you're a college student - congratulations, you've been permanently hypnotized and under full control of the US government. would you like fries with that? ;) |
| 05:52.26 | veamoss | sorry,copy |
| 05:52.28 | mhall | Gnea: reminds me of a good line. relationships are like sausage. you don't want to know what does into them. |
| 05:52.32 | Vasistha | veamoss: cp -a |
| 05:52.42 | Vasistha | veamoss: try man cp |
| 05:52.48 | mhall | Gnea: not so fast. i'm an employed graduate of a private liberal arts and tech university |
| 05:53.10 | mhall | Gnea: i don't even trust the open-minded questioning types that worked there. i question the questioners. |
| 05:53.12 | Gnea | mhall: ooooh oooooh, a graduate. then they stamped you, too |
| 05:53.35 | veamoss | I've entered my other machine.. and I want to copy a directory from there to here, do you know what I mean? |
| 05:53.35 | Gnea | mhall: fair enough :) |
| 05:53.40 | mhall | Gnea: which ironically makes me more establishment than they were |
| 05:53.40 | Vasistha | heh heh, I graduated from ucla, one of the best places on earth to be brainwashed... |
| 05:53.52 | mhall | Gnea: because i discovered that the establishment is right most of the time |
| 05:54.00 | dondelelcaro | in order to be brainwashed, you have to be a willing participant... |
| 05:54.05 | Gnea | i'm a dropout trying to get my degree again |
| 05:54.17 | mhall | dondelelcaro: what about stockholm syndrom |
| 05:54.21 | mhall | syndrome* |
| 05:54.28 | Gnea | if you want money, and a roof over your head, you will participate.... |
| 05:54.45 | mhall | Gnea: well it's market driven though |
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| 05:54.46 | Gnea | so, moving on |
| 05:54.58 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: I dunno... what do you think of Vietnam POW's who become slave laborers and completely forgot their pasts? |
| 05:54.59 | mhall | Gnea: so it's not like it's that bad. you can vote with your pocket book. |
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| 05:55.23 | Gnea | mhall: make it a double-double ;) |
| 05:55.35 | Gnea | those were the best man |
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| 05:55.47 | mhall | Gnea: right. i vote with my pocketbook by avoiding other fast food joints |
| 05:56.00 | mhall | Gnea: that's why i've gotten to thinking more people should take intro to econ |
| 05:56.18 | mhall | Gnea: it made me realize, you know what, i have the power to choose here because i'm the customer, so fuck them all |
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| 05:56.28 | Gnea | mhall: i've taken 3 economic courses in my time |
| 05:56.37 | Vasistha | hum, I took an econ course |
| 05:56.37 | mhall | Gnea: so i buy a lot less stuff than i used to, from a lot fewer vendors. |
| 05:57.05 | Vasistha | heh, I shop at the farmers' market every week for most of my food ... from quite a few vendors, in fact! |
| 05:57.19 | mhall | Gnea: of course there are some places where this breaks down. environmental policy for example. |
| 05:57.42 | Gnea | mhall: pour vegetable oil into your gas tank! |
| 05:57.46 | mhall | Gnea: generally, places where one person can gain a whole lot off of damaging things for others, without much accountability |
| 05:58.02 | mhall | Gnea: i'm planning to get a hybrid car when i have more money |
| 05:58.11 | Elive_user5 | <mhall> Gnea: so i buy a lot less stuff t |
| 05:58.25 | mhall | Gnea: would have gladly paid for a hybrid pickup truck but they did not have them at the time i was buying |
| 05:58.51 | mhall | Gnea: the state rebates are liberal, you can drive in the HOV lane, and the service is free the first few years, and they take less repair in general |
| 05:58.54 | Gnea | mhall: i just picked up a 40mpg gas guzzler, it's basically about the same thing as a hybrid, although not quite |
| 05:58.55 | Elive_user5 | xchat seems nice, but does it have as much scripting capabilities as mirc have? |
| 05:59.10 | mhall | Gnea: the extra 5000 USD would be a pittance on a 0% car loan like I got |
| 05:59.33 | mhall | Gnea: esp when you get the rebates and the other good shit that they throw in to sweeten the pot |
| 05:59.37 | Gnea | mhall: it depends who you get it from, too - toyota just recalled about a million priuses |
| 05:59.47 | mhall | Gnea: recall repairs are free. no big deal. |
| 05:59.56 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: dunno, it vey well might. There are quite a few xchat users around, though I'm not one of them. |
| 05:59.57 | iiiears | Had to laugh a couple of weeks ago when i saw a 45 foot RV bus powered by vegetable oil. and heated by a franklin woodstove on EBay. |
| 06:00.04 | mhall | Gnea: out here you can book repair appointments on saturday if you call ahead because of work |
| 06:00.06 | Gnea | mhall: yet, it takes them off of the road and prevents new buyers from getting one at the time. |
| 06:00.30 | mhall | Gnea: that's the price of early adoption |
| 06:00.36 | iiiears | Are there a lot old hippies in Colorado? |
| 06:00.38 | Gnea | mhall: damn straight |
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| 06:01.00 | Gnea | iiiears: apparantly - they're convincing the younger generation to drop out of school faster than the rest of the country |
| 06:01.07 | mhall | Gnea: it could have happened to any new car. i had a new model year of sedan one time and the fuel system failed and started leaking fuel out the injection lines. |
| 06:01.28 | mhall | Gnea: $1200 to fix. thank God for extended warranty |
| 06:01.30 | Gnea | mhall: ouch |
| 06:01.31 | Elive_user5 | so whats the most popular client for irc |
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| 06:01.41 | stew | Elive_user5: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 06:01.45 | mhall | Gnea: another time its automatic transmission decided it'd be funny to only go into reverse |
| 06:02.02 | Gnea | mhall: that's why i prefer full control - manual transmission only |
| 06:02.02 | mhall | Gnea: so my dad and i grabbed the shifter and yanked until it went into drive |
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| 06:02.11 | Gnea | lol |
| 06:02.18 | sid | dondelelcaro: you here? |
| 06:02.19 | mhall | Gnea: and left it alone all the way down the mountains, driving straight to the dealer with no stops |
| 06:02.21 | Gnea | slippery clutches, gotta love 'em |
| 06:02.22 | Elive_user5 | so is popcon as script-capable as mirc is ? |
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| 06:02.27 | mhall | Gnea: $2000 in damage. |
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| 06:02.31 | dondelelcaro | sid: ? |
| 06:02.33 | mhall | Gnea: extended warranty. |
| 06:02.35 | stew | !tell Elive_user5 about popcon |
| 06:02.38 | mhall | Gnea: $DEITY. |
| 06:02.39 | sid | dondek: May I private message you? |
| 06:02.43 | dondelelcaro | sid: sure |
| 06:02.51 | Gnea | mhall: good thing the brakes worked huh |
| 06:03.02 | mhall | hmm i used to know a real young dude named sid that made some hilarious hacking debs |
| 06:03.08 | mhall | sid: are you that sid? |
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| 06:03.26 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.30 | dondelelcaro | stupid space |
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| 06:03.42 | sid | mhall: no that's not me. |
| 06:03.47 | sid | I'm sid ( unstable ) |
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| 06:03.49 | Elive_user5 | with which wm does debian come with by default |
| 06:03.51 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:03.51 | mhall | an appropriate kind of software to release being sid, when you consider the modern meaning of the term, both in debian and in its source movie |
| 06:04.05 | *** mode/#debian [+e unstable!n=username@tor/session/external/*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:04.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:04.10 | veamoss | how do I configure alsa? |
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| 06:04.29 | mhall | unstable: hehe h4x0r |
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| 06:05.00 | mhall | simonrvn: simon!!! |
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| 06:05.18 | simonrvn | hi |
| 06:05.19 | veamoss | alsaconf? |
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| 06:05.22 | mhall | simonrvn: i gotta go get a burger. bbiab. :) |
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| 06:05.29 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:05.34 | mhall | simonrvn: oh and i got VOIP to work with good call quality. |
| 06:05.44 | tonsofpcs | who here wants to fix the dependencies on a package? |
| 06:05.44 | unstable | hehe, I can only speak as "unstable" if I change my nick I become banned and moderated, so can not send text to channel. |
| 06:05.44 | mhall | simonrvn: using the twinkle SIP phone client. a nice little app. |
| 06:05.46 | Elive_user5 | whats the key shortcut to minimize a window |
| 06:05.50 | simonrvn | i saw that :). nice |
| 06:05.55 | tonsofpcs | Elive_user5: where? |
| 06:05.59 | unstable | Elive_user5: What desktop enviroment or window manager? |
| 06:06.03 | tonsofpcs | what window manager? what key settings? |
| 06:06.04 | mhall | unstable: that's what happens when you use tor |
| 06:06.08 | Elive_user5 | enlightenment |
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| 06:07.49 | Elive_user5 | lets say I download a file with linux and I write it in ext3, then how can I copy it to ntfs with 100% accuracy and reliability ? |
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| 06:07.55 | tonsofpcs | anyone know who the package maintainer for naim is? |
| 06:08.04 | dondelelcaro | !maintainer naim |
| 06:08.10 | tonsofpcs | Elive_user5: copy it to a FAT32 partition, load windows, move it over |
| 06:08.11 | dpkg | naim: has nothing about maintainer |
| 06:08.12 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: ntfs write-support is *experimental* in linux. basically, you can't |
| 06:08.22 | dondelelcaro | !+maint naim |
| 06:08.27 | dpkg | naim: Rohit Pidaparthi <rohitpid@comcast.net> |
| 06:08.28 | unstable | tonsofpcs: Maintainer: Rohit Pidaparthi <rohitpid@comcast.net> |
| 06:08.42 | Elive_user5 | fat32 support is 100% ok in linux? |
| 06:08.46 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: you can also use explore2fs in windows to look at files on your ext3 partition |
| 06:08.54 | Gnea | Elive_user5: yes |
| 06:08.55 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: yeah, fat32 support is reliable. |
| 06:08.59 | unstable | tonsofpcs: apt-cache show package |
| 06:09.03 | tonsofpcs | anyone know if Rohit Pidaparthi is ever on here or one of the other IRC networks? |
| 06:09.17 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: it's worth noting that fat32 cannot support files larger than 4 GB (e.g. dvd images) |
| 06:09.21 | tonsofpcs | unstable: apt-cache is searching stable, I'm more interested in the one for testing ;) |
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| 06:09.45 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: what is the problem? |
| 06:09.52 | Elive_user5 | then linux sucks hard |
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| 06:10.02 | Elive_user5 | I cant download files, I cant do anything |
| 06:10.13 | Elive_user5 | I cant write a document even |
| 06:10.17 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: if you're going to complain, try #windows |
| 06:10.19 | Elive_user5 | all data will be lost |
| 06:10.20 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 06:10.29 | Elive_user5 | am I right ? |
| 06:10.40 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: maybe you can't, but I can do all those things without any trouble |
| 06:10.40 | dondelelcaro | Elive_user5: uh... we all use linux just fine. If you have a real question, please ask. Otherwise, please go elsewhere. |
| 06:10.44 | Gnea | Elive_user5: you need to take the time to learn it |
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| 06:11.06 | Elive_user5 | Vasistha, how you can and I cannot ? |
| 06:11.07 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro: well the testing package works fine on stable, but it has two dependencies with too high of version numbers (even the developer asked why he's testing for the point releases) |
| 06:11.32 | Gnea | Elive_user5: because Vasistha knows how, because he took the time, just like everyone else in here, to read and learn how it works |
| 06:11.40 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: which dependencies are you talking about |
| 06:12.02 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: There was probably a time in the past when you could not download files in windows either -- someone taught you how to do it. |
| 06:12.09 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: if they're library dependencies, that's likely because the api/abi of the libraries have changed since the stable release |
| 06:12.21 | Gnea | Elive_user5: how about a web browser, does that work for you? |
| 06:12.22 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro: it wants libc6 >= 2.3.5-1 (its working fine with 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3), libncurses >= 5.4-5 (5.4-4 works fine) |
| 06:12.27 | Elive_user5 | Vasistha, so tell me how you do it, you have 3 partitions, one ext3, one fat32 and one ntfs ? |
| 06:12.50 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: it may start, and may work in some cases, but if you try to access a symbol that 2.3.5-1 has defined and 2.3.2 does not, it will segfault. |
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| 06:13.05 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: I don't use windows at all anymore, actually. And when I did, I was using windows 98 -- I've never had XP on my computers. So it was only fat32 |
| 06:13.08 | Elive_user5 | <Vasistha> Elive_user5: There was probably a time in the past when you could not download files in windows either -- someone taught you how to do it. <- what do you mean |
| 06:13.09 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro: I'm talking with the dev now, it doesn't access any newer symbols |
| 06:13.20 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: uh... unlikely |
| 06:13.30 | Elive_user5 | you should know fat32 is dinosaur aged |
| 06:13.32 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro: why do you say that? |
| 06:13.58 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: anyway, I think what you should do is save files onto your ext3; then download the windows tool called explore2fs and you can copy files from your ext3 partition when you are in windows |
| 06:14.04 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: because it's rare that a maintainer actually knows all of symbols that all of the libraries that they link against use |
| 06:14.06 | Gnea | Elive_user5: you should know that it's also an industry standard and quite solid |
| 06:14.29 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: in any event, what you want to do is recompile the package against stable. /msg dpkg simple sid backport; for details on how to do this |
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| 06:14.48 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro: so I might as well just grab sources and compile it myself and ignore apt? |
| 06:14.50 | Elive_user5 | I d better use linux programs ported in win32, rather than use linux |
| 06:14.57 | Elive_user5 | I want accuracy in my data |
| 06:15.00 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: no, use apt... it'll make it easier. |
| 06:15.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell tonsofpcs -about simple sid backport |
| 06:15.13 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: follow those instructions |
| 06:15.24 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: uhh... sure. have fun back in windows! ta-ta! |
| 06:15.24 | Vasistha | :-) |
| 06:15.30 | Gnea | Elive_user5: whatever suits you. |
| 06:15.54 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro: that's more than 4 lines. wget, ./configure make make install (and make clean if I'm in the mood) is easier. |
| 06:16.01 | Elive_user5 | if there was a linux for ntfs it would suit me |
| 06:16.11 | oskie | is there anything better than xdelta? (which is broken btw) |
| 06:16.17 | liable | sigh |
| 06:16.18 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: yes, but your package can't be easily uninstalled, nor can it be upgraded. |
| 06:16.22 | deadcat | do i just plug the ipod in and mount? or theres a module to load? its just like a thumb drive right? |
| 06:16.25 | SerajewelKS | Elive_user5: linux has stable read-only ntfs access |
| 06:16.26 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: well, the ntfs system is secret and proprietary |
| 06:16.39 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: it also may suddenly stop working one day when the libraries it needs goes away. |
| 06:16.40 | Vasistha | deadcat: check out gtkpod |
| 06:16.44 | Gnea | Elive_user5: complain to microsoft, not to linux. |
| 06:16.44 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro: so would the package |
| 06:16.46 | deadcat | Vasistha: k |
| 06:16.48 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: if it takes you more than 10 minutes to make the backport, you're working too hard. |
| 06:17.02 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: no, it wouldn't, because it has dependencies on the libraries that it needs |
| 06:17.16 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: and more importantly, it'd be upgraded with your system when your system upgrades. |
| 06:17.20 | SerajewelKS | Elive_user5: why you would ever *want* to write to an ntfs partition from linux is beyond me |
| 06:17.39 | ice_1963 | microshit |
| 06:17.41 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro: I don't plan on upgrading this system much, an upgrade on it would be a full reinstall anyway |
| 06:17.41 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: I'm curious, why do you want to use linux? |
| 06:17.55 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: this is Debian! Upgrades are easy. |
| 06:18.07 | deadcat | brothers and sisters. please use /ignore since you cant change someone's mind when it comes to ntfs/windows |
| 06:18.14 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: make Debian work for you |
| 06:18.16 | Elive_user5 | SerajewelKS, I want to use programs that work in windows |
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| 06:18.33 | Elive_user5 | Vasistha, because windows is slow and not configurable |
| 06:18.36 | SerajewelKS | Elive_user5: and why do these programs need to write to an ntfs partition? |
| 06:18.40 | Gnea | Elive_user5: then use windows. |
| 06:18.56 | deadcat | Elive_user5: just pick one and stick with it.. stop whinning like a little bitch |
| 06:19.06 | Gnea | Elive_user5: if you don't like the programs that linux has, write some new ones. |
| 06:19.07 | Vasistha | Elive_user5: I dual-booted for a good year or so, myself |
| 06:19.14 | deadcat | bam!! /ignore'ed see how easy that is? |
| 06:19.24 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: i still do ;) |
| 06:19.41 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: yeah... I haven't been happy with an email client since I last used Eudora :-( |
| 06:19.44 | Gnea | Elive_user5: but wine will run many microsoft programs |
| 06:19.54 | Gnea | !wine |
| 06:19.54 | dpkg | hmm... wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 06:20.06 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: unfortunately i am addicted to some games that don't run so well with wine |
| 06:20.11 | Gnea | Elive_user5: please, do. |
| 06:20.17 | Elive_user5 | SerajewelKS, see? |
| 06:20.24 | SerajewelKS | Elive_user5: see what |
| 06:20.28 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: just kick him so we can get on |
| 06:20.36 | stew | Elive_user5: please just move on. unless you have any debian related questions. |
| 06:20.40 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 06:20.41 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: oh yeah, you've got to use xp for gaming |
| 06:20.41 | Elive_user5 | SerajewelKS, you cant do everything in linux, while living in a ms world |
| 06:20.56 | deadcat | Elive_user5: you win.. bye |
| 06:20.57 | Gnea | Elive_user5: that's only by choice. |
| 06:21.04 | dondelelcaro | Elive_user5: that's really rather OT for us; we're here to supprt #debian, not discuss windows. |
| 06:21.08 | SerajewelKS | Elive_user5: not when wine does DX9, no |
| 06:21.22 | Elive_user5 | ok |
| 06:21.22 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro: I don't care if upgrades are easy, it's a ssh server for inside my house, it doesn't need to run bleeding edge stuff |
| 06:21.27 | Elive_user5 | bbye |
| 06:21.30 | SerajewelKS | Elive_user5: the *only* thing i use windows for is games. and wine will catch up eventually. |
| 06:21.33 | tonsofpcs | every machine has a purpose |
| 06:21.38 | stew | SerajewelKS: please keep it on topic |
| 06:21.55 | liable | grr, if hdparm -B is set 255, why would my drive spin down and up every 10 seconds? |
| 06:21.56 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: sure, but you want to be able to upgrade 3 years from now, and you want to be able to have security updates... |
| 06:21.56 | Shai-tan | heh I used cedega |
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| 06:22.32 | SerajewelKS | stew: i notice you only highlighted me, any particular reason? there are several other people in this discussion. |
| 06:22.35 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: seriously, you could have backported it by now... hell, I could have backported it by now, and I'm doing something else |
| 06:22.47 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: gotta start with somebody :P |
| 06:23.08 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: the person who started the discussion sounds like a good place to begin |
| 06:23.14 | liable | partitions are mounted noatime, klogd is c 2, but it still starts and stops like a damn yo yo, its like it wants to burn out. |
| 06:23.28 | stew | SerajewelKS: becuase you were continuing to engage him, when we are trying to get him to move on |
| 06:23.39 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: I've done the same thing myself, randomly asking people and one or two people thought I was picking on them. ... Yeah, but he may not have been paying attention to who started, the main thing is to just one-by-one get everyone to stop |
| 06:24.12 | itchi | dondelelcaro: He, my first recover(setup) are done in 52.1min |
| 06:24.28 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: don't take it personally at all, it's just kind of a random event, you spoke at the wrong time ;-) |
| 06:24.30 | dondelelcaro | itchi: cool |
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| 06:24.40 | SerajewelKS | stew: ah, that would have made a better line to start with |
| 06:24.46 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah, I was out in the quad playing soccer when you were trying to talk with me |
| 06:24.55 | itchi | dondelelcaro: You have tell me that i need to /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max to something larger |
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| 06:25.16 | dondelelcaro | itchi: well, you don't have to do so, but it would make it go faster, up to the limits of your actual drive speed |
| 06:25.20 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: i take it very personally when only i am warned for something many others are participating in. |
| 06:25.25 | itchi | dondelelcaro: ;-) life you're life, you have only one. Get it nice :-) |
| 06:25.50 | tonsofpcs | fine, if you really want me to, i'll do the backport... |
| 06:25.56 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: yeah, I understand, but it's not -meant- to be personal, and it's not really a warning, just a request |
| 06:26.02 | itchi | dondelelcaro: It's actually at speed=3264K/sec for an sata ide 8mb cache |
| 06:26.24 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: wget http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ss/naim_0.11.8-1_i386.deb; dpkg -i naim_0.11.8-1_i386.deb; |
| 06:26.26 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: too late... |
| 06:26.37 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro: too late what? |
| 06:26.46 | itchi | dondelelcaro: cat /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max show me 200000 |
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| 06:27.26 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I have no scsi setup :-/ i find 400 minutes (6 hours) a bit long :-/ |
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| 06:27.32 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: a couple weeks ago this guy really was trolling, and I went through and was asking two, three, four people at a time please take it to off-topic or whatever... anyway, I accidentally named this one guy three times, and he had already stopped, too! Just be accident. I was just trying to ask people to stop, it didn't matter whom |
| 06:27.48 | Vasistha | "be" => "by" |
| 06:28.17 | Gnea | man, blootbot is a PITFA to configure... |
| 06:28.25 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: oh, I already backported it. Here are the steps that I used: apt-get source naim; cd naim-0.11.8/; pdebuild --buildresult .. --basetgz ~/pbuilder/base_sarge.tar.gz; |
| 06:28.33 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: you're telling me |
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| 06:29.01 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: now, I did cheat a bit because I already have pbuilder set up, but you could have done the same with a apt-get builddep naim; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; cd naim-0.11.8; fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
| 06:29.11 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: wait 'till logrotate restarts your sql server |
| 06:29.15 | tonsofpcs | heh, thanks :) I've been reading the info on backporting and trying to figure out what the sid source is... |
| 06:29.19 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: no matter what i do, it demands to use the blootbot userid - i can change the nick, but even if i setup the account to change the userid (like this: userid@host) it refuses to use anything else but blootbot |
| 06:29.20 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Is it normal that i take so long time for an 80 GB? |
| 06:29.32 | Neeesat25 | How can I set the startup script in debian to autologin as mythtv user? |
| 06:29.39 | Neeesat25 | in kde |
| 06:29.53 | dondelelcaro | itchi: on the 80G drives here, we set echo 1600000 > /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max; and it takes something like 30 minutes iirc. |
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| 06:30.09 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: IIRC the mythtv user isn't meant to be logged in to, it's a system account |
| 06:30.12 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: and the online help forums are pure crap - then again, it's sf |
| 06:30.15 | Vasistha | Neeesat25: well kde has an autologin feature, it's not specific to debian |
| 06:30.22 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Is it an pata ide with 8mb cache ? |
| 06:30.27 | Vasistha | Neeesat25: ooh, oops, listen to SerajewelKS |
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| 06:30.32 | letsgfuad | Where is the best place to download gentoo??? |
| 06:30.36 | Neeesat25 | I have the user mythtv |
| 06:30.40 | Gnea | !gentoo |
| 06:30.40 | dpkg | gentoo is, like, a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
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| 06:30.42 | Vasistha | letsgfuad: uh, ask in #gentoo |
| 06:30.50 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: the sid sources line is a line like the following: deb-src http://debian.usc.edu unstable main non-free contrib; in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:31.02 | liable | dondelelcaro: where is there info on this? in kernel docs? |
| 06:31.05 | Vasistha | Neeesat25: is there some compelling reason you would want to be logged in as that user/ |
| 06:31.08 | dondelelcaro | itchi: maybe 4M; something like that. |
| 06:31.14 | dondelelcaro | liable: info on what? |
| 06:31.14 | letsgfuad | oh i though debian was and extention to gentoo... kind of like ubuntu and kubuntu |
| 06:31.21 | liable | dondelelcaro: speed limit |
| 06:31.22 | itchi | dondelelcaro: You know, it's my first setup, so when it's done, i play a bit. An wipe everything a redo the things. So that i have got understand and could redo it |
| 06:31.24 | Neeesat25 | I made a S30startx script in /etc/init.d/ and I am starting x like startx. Is this correct? |
| 06:31.27 | tonsofpcs | thanks don :) i'll save it to another file |
| 06:31.28 | Shai-tan | lol |
| 06:31.41 | Neeesat25 | Actually it autostart x on booting |
| 06:31.43 | Gnea | letsgfuad: hell no, debian was around years before gentoo was. they are 2 completely different distributions |
| 06:31.44 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Is it safe if i put the same value that you give? |
| 06:31.50 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it should be |
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| 06:31.57 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: you should *not* be logging in as mythtv |
| 06:32.02 | letsgfuad | Gnea: oh wow, my bad |
| 06:32.06 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: it is a *system* account used by the mythtv daemon |
| 06:32.10 | Gnea | letsgfuad: it's all good |
| 06:32.15 | dondelelcaro | itchi: that's what we've used on about 20 of the machines that we've installed with dual 80G raid1 drives |
| 06:32.17 | Shai-tan | gentoo works much closer to the source level |
| 06:32.27 | Neeesat25 | But I dont get a Username and password window |
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| 06:32.33 | tonsofpcs | ok, now to figure out this jailer thing |
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| 06:32.53 | itchi | dondelelcaro: The recovery are now idle, can i change the value now. Or need i wait that he have done to recover that HDD ? |
| 06:32.58 | Gnea | wow, rampage alert |
| 06:33.20 | Gnea | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 06:33.32 | itchi | Crazy guys, with six hands |
| 06:33.34 | dondelelcaro | itchi: oh, you can change it to whatever you want |
| 06:33.50 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: what the hell does that have to do with mythtv |
| 06:33.51 | dondelelcaro | itchi: I just use that for initial installs and syncing; on a reboot it gets set to whatever the kernel default is |
| 06:33.53 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: thanks for being such a responsible op :-) |
| 06:34.07 | Neeesat25 | mythtv is a system user |
| 06:34.11 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: what exactly are you trying to do |
| 06:34.35 | Neeesat25 | I want to autostart X on booting and autologin in kde as mythtv user |
| 06:34.39 | tonsofpcs | ok, jailer isn't what I want.... |
| 06:34.50 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: why do you want to log in as mythtv? |
| 06:35.12 | Neeesat25 | how I will be autologin then? |
| 06:35.22 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: autologin as your regular user |
| 06:35.35 | Neeesat25 | mythtv is my regular user |
| 06:35.42 | Neeesat25 | I have root and mythtv |
| 06:35.44 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Another one. ;-) I Pay you a ton of virtual beer :-) Actually i have only set one partition in that raid1 with 2 sata. Is is good to install an os on it. I have not do it, but the most info i have found do it so |
| 06:35.46 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: whaaat? are you using knoppmyth or something? |
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| 06:35.52 | Neeesat25 | no debian |
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| 06:36.11 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: did you just arbitrarily call your account 'mythtv' or did you install mythtv? |
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| 06:36.21 | liable | hrm, a bit in man md |
| 06:36.40 | Neeesat25 | mythtv I have it installed but at the same time I have a regular user called mythtv |
| 06:37.02 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: glurk, that's probably not good... |
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| 06:37.28 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: at any rate you can do what you want by apt-getting kdm and configuring it to automatically log you in |
| 06:37.42 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you can install an OS on it just fine. The installs we do, we generate 3 partitions, one boot, one swap, and one root; but that's mainly so that /boot is a manegable size (and we want swap on the raid so that if a drive fails, we don't fall over) |
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| 06:38.00 | Neeesat25 | Ah you mean I need also kdm package for that? |
| 06:38.04 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: kill any X running on :0, install kdm, log in as usual, then go to the control center > system > login manager, and tell it log you in automatically |
| 06:38.14 | tonsofpcs | anyone here know what "-jailshell-" is and/or how to set one up without manually setting up a custom chroot environment? |
| 06:38.16 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: you don't really *need* kdm but it makes it easier to configure |
| 06:38.26 | dondelelcaro | itchi: your main trick will be installing grub, but that's not all that difficult |
| 06:38.31 | Neeesat25 | Thanks man I will try |
| 06:39.36 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I not realy want to install an os on the RAID1, i leave there an old HDD in it. I think it make a bit more usage otherwise :-/ Grub are already installed :-) |
| 06:40.07 | dondelelcaro | itchi: oh, ok... then you're good to go |
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| 06:41.38 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I have read that it's not good to place 2 HDD on the same ide cable. So i can not do it more the with 2 HDD. I'm go to buy an 3de one to place it on an ide where there is already one. Speed are not really needed. I will keep it safe now :-/ |
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| 06:41.50 | itchi | s/the/than |
| 06:42.05 | dondelelcaro | itchi: well, it's better if you don't, but it may not make much of a difference. |
| 06:43.01 | itchi | dondelelcaro: It's now a bit more of 2 day that i'm online :-/. Disk crash, so we learn every day ... :-/ |
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| 06:44.04 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah, it's mainly a speed thing; if you don't require serious disk access speeds, I wouldn't worry about it much |
| 06:44.15 | Neeesat25 | I did install kdm but in the enable autologin page I dont get any users in the drop down list |
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| 06:44.33 | itchi | dondelelcaro: But i set it 3 HDD in it. I need to install the system on the raid then. No many space, it's in on a desktop Dell GX110 |
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| 06:45.15 | zero-1 | how can I install mono on debian Sarge |
| 06:45.18 | zero-1 | ? |
| 06:45.23 | itchi | dondelelcaro: That computer need to syncronise the data of some other computers at night. Every 2 days or so. With rsync, euhm i'm not realy know |
| 06:45.36 | SerajewelKS | itchi: gx110? interesting, i'm running two sarge servers on gx110's. |
| 06:45.44 | el_cubano | Anyone know the proper way to rename a software RAID device? |
| 06:46.16 | itchi | SerajewelKS: Yeah, i find these good computers :-) it's always running :-) |
| 06:46.19 | dondelelcaro | itchi: ah, yeah... well, installing the system on the raid is pretty straight forward |
| 06:46.39 | dondelelcaro | itchi: and actually, the sarge installer cds should be able to do it for you |
| 06:46.49 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, I thought they could) |
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| 06:47.12 | SerajewelKS | itchi: got mine free, they were old lab computers at my university, and i work for the ITS department between classes |
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| 06:47.33 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I have read a bit, but im not sure if i need to compile the raid module in the kernel or so. I have not many kernel experience, and the less i have ... :-/ |
| 06:47.56 | WIng-Zero | anyone know ftp user ids such as ftpuser |
| 06:48.19 | itchi | SerajewelKS: :-) i get mine also free. And guy supported my and no more needed that computer that he also has received from x |
| 06:48.25 | dondelelcaro | itchi: oh, it'll work so long as it's raid1 and you've got the kernel module in your initrd, which the installer will do for you |
| 06:48.36 | Neeesat25 | SerajewelKS: Any idea why I dont get a users list to choose in login manager of kde? |
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| 06:49.00 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: open a konsole and type 'id', what does it say? |
| 06:49.25 | Neeesat25 | it says root |
| 06:49.27 | WIng-Zero | ? |
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| 06:49.32 | WIng-Zero | anyone? |
| 06:49.42 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I not know how i need to do it with the installer :-/? Sounds simple, but i could not imagine. Like i know the installer now with an good averadge :-/ |
| 06:49.50 | dondelelcaro | WIng-Zero: it depends on your install. Check /etc/passwd |
| 06:50.14 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it should show up in the partitioning stage when it asks you about lvm et al. iirc. |
| 06:50.25 | WIng-Zero | dondelelcaro: im tryin to make a user with highedst id, to be like an admin |
| 06:50.27 | WIng-Zero | or whatever |
| 06:50.32 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it may only be in the sarge d-i nightlies |
| 06:50.57 | Neeesat25 | actually: uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 06:50.59 | dondelelcaro | WIng-Zero: eh? the id of a user has nothing to do with their permissions (ignoring root, of course) |
| 06:51.11 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: why the *fuck* are you using KDE as root |
| 06:51.36 | WIng-Zero | dondelelcaro: i guess my question is how do i increase permissions, using pureftpd |
| 06:51.41 | Neeesat25 | Shall I try to use it as mythtv? |
| 06:51.44 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Euhm, in not know, i need to test. Like you have say :-) Thanks for the valuable information's :-) |
| 06:51.46 | dondelelcaro | WIng-Zero: to pureftpd users? |
| 06:51.55 | WIng-Zero | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 06:51.59 | dondelelcaro | itchi: np; the install guide has more information. |
| 06:52.18 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Is it to lvm that i need to look ? |
| 06:52.36 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: that would be preferred yes |
| 06:52.39 | dondelelcaro | itchi: lvm is different, but it should ask about raid in the same part of the install |
| 06:52.47 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: never, ever run X as root. ever. |
| 06:53.01 | WIng-Zero | dondelelcaro: yes pureftpd users |
| 06:53.16 | Neeesat25 | I need to set to autologin as mythtv |
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| 06:53.20 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Hhhm, i need to play |
| 06:53.25 | Neeesat25 | thats why I tried to use root user |
| 06:53.35 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: yes. you can do that without logging in as root. |
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| 06:53.47 | Neeesat25 | Now as mythtv user I dont have permition in login manager |
| 06:54.00 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: when you select "login manager" in the control panel, click the "administrator mode" button at the bottom. |
| 06:54.19 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I have change the value echo 1600000 > /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max but it's look that it not go faster. |
| 06:54.24 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: then it will let you make changes as root, without running your whole environment as root, which is dangerous |
| 06:54.29 | dondelelcaro | WIng-Zero: sorry, I don't use pure ftpd. |
| 06:54.41 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it could be that that's just as fast as your hardware can go |
| 06:54.49 | WIng-Zero | dondelelcaro: well what would u do one your ftpd |
| 06:54.56 | SerajewelKS | !u |
| 06:54.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:55.07 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah, i was just thinking of it. My old hardware :-/ |
| 06:55.08 | dondelelcaro | WIng-Zero: I don't run ftpd. All users on my systems have to use ssh or scp. |
| 06:55.14 | Neeesat25 | I did that but again I dont get a user list in dropdown menu in autologin window to choose from |
| 06:55.40 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Bwa, i need that it are safe, not speed. But i hope it |
| 06:56.01 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I hope it's not to slow once i work on it. I been see, what it give... |
| 06:56.07 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: now go to a konsole and type 'id' and paste the result |
| 06:56.12 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it should be fast enough |
| 06:56.16 | Neeesat25 | ok |
| 06:56.18 | itchi | finish=21.8min |
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| 06:56.29 | dondelelcaro | itchi: I'd be really surprised if it's slower than your network |
| 06:56.31 | itchi | Then i can test :-) |
| 06:56.51 | Neeesat25 | uid=108(mythtv) gid=108(mythtv) groups=0(root),3(sys),4(adm),27(sudo),29(audio),40(src),44(video),50(staff),100(users),102(Debian-exim),103(ssh),107(mysql),108(mythtv) |
| 06:56.53 | Shai-tan | !wtf |
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| 06:57.01 | itchi | dondelelcaro: But i guess i forget somethings. dma or so |
| 06:57.03 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: yup, it's a system account |
| 06:57.05 | Shai-tan | nothing lol |
| 06:57.12 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: the autologin does not show system accounts. |
| 06:57.15 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you're using 2.6, right? |
| 06:57.23 | dondelelcaro | Shai-tan: if you need to play with the bot, use /msg, please. |
| 06:57.24 | itchi | dondelelcaro: It are simpy ide cables, does it matter? |
| 06:57.28 | itchi | dondek: yeas |
| 06:57.30 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: also notice that mythtv is in the root group, which means being logged in as mythtv is not good. |
| 06:57.39 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: make another account and use that instead |
| 06:57.41 | dondelelcaro | itchi: ok, it should have enabled dma for you... 22 minutes isn't bad. |
| 06:57.46 | itchi | dondelelcaro: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 06:57.52 | dondek | may i change my nickname? lol |
| 06:58.03 | itchi | dondelelcaro: After 5:40 :-/ |
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| 06:58.19 | itchi | dondelelcaro: That's the rest, 20 minutes :-/ |
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| 06:58.34 | dondelelcaro | itchi: ok, 25 minutes... still not horrible |
| 06:58.41 | itchi | dondelelcaro: You see how long time i have wait here |
| 06:59.02 | itchi | dondelelcaro: No i mean i have take i bit lesser than 6 hours |
| 06:59.32 | itchi | keyboard are bugged :-) |
| 06:59.35 | unstable | dondek: yea, sorry about nick alerting you before. |
| 06:59.41 | unstable | dondek: Your nick is too similar to someone elses. |
| 07:00.02 | liable | yay, finally my drive is behaving |
| 07:00.19 | alexbodn | bye all |
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| 07:00.58 | Vasistha | Neeesat25: -noone- should be a member of the 'root' group, except root. |
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| 07:01.09 | dondek | unstable: :) you don't need to say sorry to me. but i've used my nickname for 15 years so it's hard to change my nickname. |
| 07:01.21 | debian | there are more people here after switch announcemnet |
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| 07:01.44 | liable | about the same as normal i think |
| 07:01.51 | unix_infidel | yea, i thought you guys were moving :GP |
| 07:01.57 | unix_infidel | seems no one budged :P |
| 07:01.57 | itchi | dondelelcaro: What mean that 'md: using 128k window' in the output of dmesg? |
| 07:02.10 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, do you know where can I buy stickers of debian for my notebook? |
| 07:02.16 | dondelelcaro | itchi: iirc, that's how it's set up the striping on the drives |
| 07:02.18 | debian | so...there are mostly ops there? :) |
| 07:02.34 | dondelelcaro | SonnyBurnett: visit a Debian booth somewhere, or find someone with a vinyl cutter who has made them |
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| 07:02.44 | Gnea | SonnyBurnett: http://www.hackerstickers.com/products/sticker-debian-linux.shtml |
| 07:02.50 | itchi | dondelelcaro: It's look that i have some troubles with dma |
| 07:02.51 | dondelelcaro | SonnyBurnett: there may also be some vendors linked from the debian.org stickers who sell them |
| 07:03.07 | dondelelcaro | debian: irc.debian.org switched where it is pointing; nothing else changed. |
| 07:03.54 | debian | dondelelcaro: ok, that's no my point though. :) |
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| 07:05.28 | oediv | is there a way to disable the borders of a window in gnome just like kde can? |
| 07:05.41 | itchi | dondelelcaro: In the output of dmesg i have find some errors about dma http://pastebin.com/769247 Can you take a look please |
| 07:06.25 | tonsofpcs | For my debian ssh server (opensshd), I want to set up an account for my friend (who I trust, even with root), another account for another friend (he shouldn't be allowed to touch anything outside his homedir, not even back out the network, just vi and a few tools), and my brother (all tools, only ~). The first one is easy, anyone have ideas as to what I should do for the other two? |
| 07:06.39 | widrone | tarzeau: Bit more then 20 min but Im trying out the uapt thingy now. |
| 07:06.44 | SonnyBurnett | Gnea, thanks |
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| 07:06.53 | itchi | SonnyBurnett: There are some shops that could print it for you, on stickers, t-shirts etc, you need to give him the image, and done. |
| 07:06.58 | dondelelcaro | itchi: let me guess, hda isn't the raided drive? |
| 07:07.31 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: you can't really restrict users to their home directories unless you're using selinux or similar. |
| 07:07.35 | itchi | dondelelcaro: No, RAID1 are hdb and hdc |
| 07:07.43 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I think it's the cable |
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| 07:07.52 | dondelelcaro | itchi: right; hda is showing early signs of failing, or its cable is bad. |
| 07:08.28 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: even then they'll still have to be able to acess /usr, /lib, /bin, etc. |
| 07:08.42 | itchi | dondelelcaro: For dma, need we an special one. That one that are more rigide an have 2 lines for 1? |
| 07:09.22 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I have leave that original cable in that computer. |
| 07:09.23 | dondelelcaro | itchi: dma should work either way; it's just that some of the transfer modes (ATA100 et al) "require" special cables |
| 07:09.28 | tarzeau | widrone: does it work for you? |
| 07:09.41 | tarzeau | widrone: i'm just extending it with pkgnames and upgrade ... |
| 07:09.45 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: if you don't want users on the machine to be able to access stuff, you should set your umask and permissions appropriately so they cannot. |
| 07:09.55 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Or i confuse with ultra dma?? |
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| 07:10.09 | shay | now this sucks |
| 07:10.16 | shay | tor hosts banned at OFTC |
| 07:10.33 | itchi | dondek: hdc: 160086528 sectors (81964 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(33) |
| 07:10.42 | itchi | dondelelcaro: hdc: 160086528 sectors (81964 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(33) |
| 07:10.56 | dondelelcaro | shay: uh... OFTC doesn't ban tor hosts. |
| 07:10.57 | itchi | dondelelcaro: On the hdc dma been work?? |
| 07:11.03 | dondelelcaro | shay: indeed, #tor is on OFTC. |
| 07:11.38 | shay | dondelelcaro, the #debian channel has tor hosts banned. |
| 07:11.47 | shay | dondelelcaro, as an operator, can you fix that? |
| 07:11.55 | dondelelcaro | shay: yes, we ban tor here, and on OFTC. |
| 07:12.10 | shay | dondelelcaro, or, do you know if there is a way to cloak my real host in OFTC? |
| 07:12.10 | dondelelcaro | shay: I will add +e for specific users, but I won't remove the bans |
| 07:12.19 | tarzeau | how can i change filepermissions/acls in my AFS account? |
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| 07:12.41 | shay | dondelelcaro, cool, can you add +e to me? (*!*shay*@*tor*) |
| 07:12.42 | iKernel | There was a linux question on the weakest link |
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| 07:12.54 | iKernel | "In which country did the redhat of fedora |
| 07:12.58 | dondelelcaro | shay: I'll do it for specific nics and specific usernames. /msg me on oftc. |
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| 07:13.04 | itchi | dondelelcaro: You're right, that HDD hda are also an old one that could be are an zombie |
| 07:13.06 | tonsofpcs | lol iKernel |
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| 07:13.16 | iKernel | " (or something) " orignate?" |
| 07:13.19 | shay | dondelelcaro, sure, thanks |
| 07:13.33 | itchi | dondelelcaro: So it's needed to install that os in the RAID1 |
| 07:13.54 | iKernel | tonsofpcs, Well it was something about redhat and fedora, I guessed it originated from Austria cause Austria is more germanic than Turkey |
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| 07:14.23 | iKernel | Maybe it was "In which country did fedora redhat originiate from?" |
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| 07:15.07 | iKernel | k im going to go back to watching the weakest link |
| 07:15.12 | iKernel | once dot comes back |
| 07:15.23 | tonsofpcs | what channel? |
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| 07:15.28 | iKernel | Stop doing that, dot. |
| 07:15.36 | iKernel | k brb |
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| 07:16.30 | widrone | tarzeau: It sort of works, but It doesnt deal with dependencies does it? |
| 07:16.50 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: hey, do you know if blootbot has a specific mysql requirement? it doesn't seem to like 5.0 |
| 07:17.00 | tarzeau | widrone: not yet... |
| 07:17.43 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: don't know, never tried it with 5.0 |
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| 07:18.08 | widrone | tarzeau: Ill play a bit with the version I got, see if I can get it to blow something up atleast... |
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| 07:19.22 | SerajewelKS | hrm, why would a dist-upgrade prompt the removal of some packages... but apt-get install'ing them right after the dist-upgrade doesn't yield any conflicts at all? |
| 07:20.04 | tarzeau | widrone: wait wait |
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| 07:20.38 | tarzeau | widrone: please reload it, www.linuks.mine.nu/uapt/ |
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| 07:20.52 | widrone | tarzeau: Too late, playin crawl as we speak... So far so good... |
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| 07:21.00 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.02 | ma3x | /etc/cron.daily/man-db: |
| 07:21.04 | ma3x | mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/bitmap.1x: No such file or directory |
| 07:21.06 | ma3x | mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/atobm.1x.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/bitmap.1x: No such file or directory |
| 07:21.07 | widrone | tarzeau: Hehe, Ill try the new one. |
| 07:21.07 | tarzeau | widrone: this version is much improved (can do uapt-get upgrade :) |
| 07:21.18 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: pastebin |
| 07:21.22 | tarzeau | and it's printing the PATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH in the usage |
| 07:21.24 | ma3x | I get this email warnings all the time. how do I remove ? |
| 07:21.39 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: remove the dangling symlinks |
| 07:21.51 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, how do I know which ones are the symlinks? |
| 07:22.02 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: the email told you |
| 07:22.20 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, for eg. it says mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/bitmap.1x: No such file or directory |
| 07:22.27 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, so what should I do for that one? |
| 07:22.29 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: yes |
| 07:22.34 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: remove the file it lists |
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| 07:23.40 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, ok so for eg. these 2 lines: mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/xtrapinfo.1x.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request |
| 07:23.41 | ma3x | mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/xtrap.1x: No such file or directory |
| 07:23.52 | ma3x | I should sremove /usr/share/man/man1x/xtrap.1x right? |
| 07:24.01 | ma3x | I mean /usr/share/man/man1/xtrapinfo.1x.gz |
| 07:24.02 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: that's the idea |
| 07:24.31 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: in the first case, ls -l first to make sure it's a symlink |
| 07:24.32 | ma3x | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 52 2006-05-15 05:23 /usr/share/man/man1/xtrapinfo.1x.gz |
| 07:24.38 | ma3x | it's not symlink, is it? |
| 07:24.44 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: right |
| 07:24.51 | widrone | tarzeau: The upgrade prints my homedir and "ls: *.deb: No such file or directory" on the last line before exiting. |
| 07:24.52 | ma3x | so? |
| 07:25.03 | peterS | ma3x: in that case it's probably a .SO link. read the contents of the file, it'll probably be just one line |
| 07:26.00 | ma3x | peterS, you're right. so I just remove those non existing links files, right? |
| 07:26.05 | ma3x | what are they for anyway? the manpages? |
| 07:26.11 | peterS | ma3x: aha! it's a _broken_ .so link. (should say 'man1/xtrap.1x' rather than 'man1x/xtrap.1x') |
| 07:26.58 | widrone | tarzeau: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:~/install/usr/lib:~/install/lib <- Something you recently added? The last one doe not seem to be in my install folder. |
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| 07:27.23 | peterS | ma3x: anyway, it's a harmless warning, perhaps report it as a bug if it hasn't been reported already |
| 07:27.24 | ma3x | peterS, too late, I removed those links. hopefully don't need them anyway |
| 07:27.36 | peterS | ma3x: you only need them if you need to read those manpages |
| 07:27.39 | ma3x | peterS, bug of which package? man-db? |
| 07:27.46 | SerajewelKS | the way etch is these days, a dist-upgrade is about an equal chance between a bag of candy and a bottle poison. but it's still fun to take the risk. |
| 07:27.47 | peterS | ma3x: no, whatever package provides those files. |
| 07:27.47 | liable | man page? :P |
| 07:27.53 | SerajewelKS | bottle of* |
| 07:28.02 | peterS | ma3x: looks like xbase-clients |
| 07:28.36 | ma3x | let me see if it has the bug in the bts |
| 07:29.41 | widrone | tarzeau: Or maybe the no .deb is its way of saying all upgraded all OK. |
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| 07:30.40 | peterS | ma3x: yeah, it's been reported several times now, it seems. bugs #356539, #361911, #362782, #366500, #367220, #369206 |
| 07:30.40 | tonsofpcs | nite all, expect me to be asking about chroot and required binaries tomorrow (or you can just leave queries full of info now and hope you covered all that I'll ask) |
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| 07:32.25 | ma3x | peterS, yeah I just saw that too - but it seems no update has been made, one still have to do it by hand |
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| 07:35.44 | menko | hey, any recommendations for a good, light bittorrent client? I don't want to use azuerues, it's too slow. |
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| 07:36.22 | dondelelcaro | menko: rtorrent |
| 07:36.37 | menko | does it have port checking function? |
| 07:36.45 | dondelelcaro | menko: port checking? |
| 07:36.46 | widrone | Seems the command "cd -" is trying hard to do something smart, and fails. Wonder what smarts its trying for. |
| 07:37.00 | dondelelcaro | widrone: it's the equivalent of cd $OLDPWD |
| 07:37.14 | menko | widrone: I think it goes to the last directory you have been in |
| 07:38.05 | widrone | Aye, thats what it seems to me too. Thats the "smart thing". Dont ever try to google "cd -" and expect info btw. =) |
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| 07:39.10 | dondelelcaro | widrone: help cd; is what you type if you want to know what it's doing |
| 07:41.04 | widrone | dondelelcaro: Ah, thanks. Buildtins, not all of them have manpages, but I forget the little help thingy. |
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| 07:41.32 | dondelelcaro | widrone: right, the builtins are described in man bash; cd pretty much has to be a builtin. |
| 07:41.53 | dondelelcaro | (there are ways of making it not a builtin, but they're all so incredibly insane as to not be describable.) |
| 07:41.57 | widrone | dondelelcaro: For the record, the help cd command says nothing about - either. |
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| 07:42.15 | iKernel | There is a file on my debian partittiion, /etc/modprobe.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS . When Ils, it is flashing. What does this mean? |
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| 07:42.56 | peterS | iKernel: that you have some obnoxious dircolors settings, I guess. I can't imagine putting up with a system where file types _flash_ |
| 07:43.02 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yes... I think we had this discsussion before at some point |
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| 07:43.20 | peterS | dondelelcaro: not that I recall |
| 07:43.30 | dondelelcaro | must have been with someone else then |
| 07:43.32 | iKernel | peterS, To me, it is a warning |
| 07:43.34 | iKernel | brb |
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| 07:44.05 | dondelelcaro | widrone: man bash; and see the cd bit... there its described. Not sure why the help text doesn't mention it, since the manpage is almost equivalent but subtly better. |
| 07:44.12 | dondelelcaro | s/its/it's/ |
| 07:45.50 | widrone | dondelelcaro: Thank you anyhow for the pointers. |
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| 07:50.43 | SerajewelKS | whaaaaat, kdelibs-bin doesn't exist in testing? |
| 07:50.59 | iKernel | back |
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| 07:51.16 | iKernel | peterS, To me, it means that something is wrong |
| 07:51.39 | iKernel | oh I know what it will be |
| 07:52.07 | peterS | iKernel: I disabled colored directory listings a long time ago, I don't know what the default color settings mean at all |
| 07:52.37 | iKernel | it's a symlink to /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.modprobe.conf , and fedora's like: "wtf that file doesn't exsit" |
| 07:52.48 | astar` | some one know how to display in human readable format a queued mail ? |
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| 07:54.04 | iKernel | brb |
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| 07:56.51 | ptk | hi |
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| 07:59.43 | adggg | is there a list somewhere of all of the /msg dpkg commands |
| 07:59.54 | ptk | I'm trying to use iptables in sarge, but iptables -L complains saying it can't initialize iptables table filter: Module is wrong version |
| 08:00.12 | liable | adggg: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 08:00.20 | ptk | but lsmod shows ipdables_filter loaded fine |
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| 08:00.42 | ptk | iptable_filter even |
| 08:00.45 | adggg | liable: /msg dpkg returns insufficient params |
| 08:00.54 | adggg | is there a list of all of the options |
| 08:00.55 | adggg | ? |
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| 08:01.12 | liable | .. |
| 08:01.18 | liable | !your factoids |
| 08:01.18 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
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| 08:03.53 | setcode | hello |
| 08:04.36 | tarzeau | widrone: /lib is only for kernel stuff, it's probably never needed... |
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| 08:04.46 | tarzeau | widrone: oops a bug with ls *.deb .. |
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| 08:05.05 | tarzeau | widrone: ya maybe i should do some more checks for the upgrade |
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| 08:07.08 | TraceGreen | Hello, does initrd.gz loaded to /dev/ram when booting, and kernel unzip it, right? |
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| 08:11.16 | driller | dk |
| 08:11.41 | driller | dpkg |
| 08:12.07 | Shai-tan | !dpkg |
| 08:12.08 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also ... |
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| 08:12.24 | adggg | how do I use df command to tell me what to add to menu.lst for GRUB? |
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| 08:12.33 | eleftherios | there is a sarge system where I need to change to default locale (after I have generated some new locales) but almost all console text (output from apt-get and dpkg-reconfigure) appears garbled therefore, I need to change it manually. I understand I must edit /etc/locale.gen put the desired locales in there and then run /usr/sbin/locale-gen. My question is, how do I set the default locale then? |
| 08:12.39 | Shai-tan | !grub |
| 08:12.40 | dpkg | i guess grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
| 08:12.56 | driller | eleftherios pws ta les etsi re paidi |
| 08:13.05 | eleftherios | driller, :-) |
| 08:13.43 | eleftherios | driller, you can speak greek at #debian.gr ;-) |
| 08:14.01 | adggg | my problem is visible here: http://pastebin.com/769307 can someone tell me how I call debian from grub's menu.lst??? |
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| 08:15.01 | adggg | which partition is the debian boot partition? |
| 08:15.07 | lerelele | hi! I have 2 soundcards and i want alsa to use the second one, how can i do this?? |
| 08:16.23 | eleftherios | hm, $ export LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 seems to be the answer to my question |
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| 08:17.53 | ptk | ahh I found the problem... its coz I'm using a 64bit kernel and a 32bit userland :( |
| 08:18.05 | fireba11 | ouch |
| 08:18.11 | Shadur | doh |
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| 08:18.46 | iKernel | Mr Bean's on! |
| 08:19.15 | iKernel | I was watching it from the start before, it's an ad break right now |
| 08:19.23 | liable | sure.. _somewhere_ |
| 08:19.23 | iKernel | now im watching that ads while im typing |
| 08:19.37 | iKernel | ? |
| 08:20.15 | liable | well, it aint on here |
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| 08:20.39 | iKernel | mr bean's back on |
| 08:20.57 | iKernel | well i have foxtel, and Im watching it on UKTV +2 |
| 08:21.15 | iKernel | ive seen this one before though |
| 08:21.17 | iKernel | long time since |
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| 08:24.57 | widrone | tarzeau: Tell me when the "next stable" is out, Ill give it a spin on something a bit more complex then crawl. |
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| 08:25.38 | tarzeau | widrone: will do |
| 08:25.50 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: grub =~ s/[grub]/the/ |
| 08:25.50 | dpkg | OK, SerajewelKS |
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| 08:27.07 | iKernel | this is the one where he fixes the little kid's boat |
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| 08:27.10 | iKernel | one problem |
| 08:27.22 | driller | dpkg why debian |
| 08:27.22 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 08:27.31 | driller | dpkg debian sucks |
| 08:27.35 | iKernel | the frequency he changes the remote to also happens to be the one to the old women's wheel chaIr LOL |
| 08:27.48 | iKernel | dpkg stands for debian package |
| 08:28.11 | war92 | Is the new firefox in Etch crashing/etc/ for anyone else? |
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| 08:28.58 | SerajewelKS | war92: no |
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| 08:29.14 | SerajewelKS | damn i just spent the last hour tweaking KDE |
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| 08:30.15 | SerajewelKS | driller: do you have a question, or would you like to stop trolling? |
| 08:31.05 | driller | SerajewelKS gotta go boot in M$ Windoze to play tetris cause I cant in linux rofl |
| 08:31.06 | driller | lmao |
| 08:31.36 | SerajewelKS | driller: apt-get install gtetrinet |
| 08:31.47 | SerajewelKS | driller: anything else you want me to spoonfeed you? |
| 08:32.19 | driller | my new ati doesnt support it, linux doesnt exist for them |
| 08:32.43 | mhall | SerajewelKS: what sort of troll was it |
| 08:32.52 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i was busy setting up my 1000 watts |
| 08:32.54 | SerajewelKS | mhall: 04:27 < driller> dpkg debian sucks |
| 08:32.55 | iKernel | aeh |
| 08:32.58 | iKernel | awh* |
| 08:32.59 | iKernel | it's over |
| 08:33.10 | SerajewelKS | driller: go complain to ATI then |
| 08:34.18 | widrone | Better yet send them a ransome note saying you will destroy all you ati cards if support aint forthcomming. |
| 08:34.40 | iKernel | driller, idoit, there is ati drivers for linux |
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| 08:35.21 | mhall | SerajewelKS: ah yeah. that's bad news. |
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| 08:35.36 | iKernel | driller, better yet, sell your ati cards and buy a shiny new nvidia card, make sure it's on the supported list for linux though |
| 08:36.10 | SerajewelKS | mhall: or at least it's heading that way =/ |
| 08:36.21 | SerajewelKS | iKernel: meh, a card with free drivers would be better, but yeh nvidia > ati |
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| 08:38.52 | widrone | so if I got some nvidia I should probably help test it (the free driver) then instead of just using vesa and ignoring everything about gpus? |
| 08:39.25 | SerajewelKS | widrone: if you like 3d acceleration, the nonfree drivers work fine, if you don't mind that they're nonfree. |
| 08:39.33 | driller | whats the best debian distro for desktop ? |
| 08:39.51 | driller | SerajewelKS are they in warez ? |
| 08:40.03 | SerajewelKS | driller: debian is a distro, not multiple distros |
| 08:40.10 | SerajewelKS | driller: are what in warez? |
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| 08:40.19 | mhall | widrone: well if you're just getting it for vesa purposes, then onboard gfx or a matrox card are probably a better choice |
| 08:40.27 | mhall | widrone: onboard if you want cheap and easy |
| 08:40.36 | mhall | widrone: matrox if you want the best display quality |
| 08:40.54 | widrone | SerajewelKS: Id rather test free drivers then get 3d axx. Got this laptop there with some nvidia inside you see. |
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| 08:41.30 | SerajewelKS | widrone: then use the 'nv' X driver. i used to use it but since i'm a gamer acceleration is kinda necessary ;X |
| 08:41.43 | SerajewelKS | err :x |
| 08:42.05 | widrone | mhall: Just figured id put this nvidia chip to some use... Since I got forcefed the laptop. |
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| 08:43.10 | widrone | SerajewelKS: Ah, thanks. Ill try that for now, I set aside gaming for a cough mac and wow. (sshhh...) |
| 08:43.31 | mhall | widrone: ah, that's a good chipset to have in a laptop |
| 08:43.43 | mhall | widrone: it works a lot better than most of them |
| 08:44.07 | mhall | widrone: just tell X to use nv and you get accelerated 2d with an open source driver, which is what i think you want |
| 08:44.15 | SerajewelKS | what would be a good SATA card for use w/debian |
| 08:44.30 | SerajewelKS | or are most of them well-supported |
| 08:44.55 | mhall | well i just got VIA SATA on my mobo and it works great in 2.6 |
| 08:45.27 | mhall | SerajewelKS: probably easiest thing to do is find sata cards at $VENDOR and then bounce into make menuconfig and look for its chip in the SATA section |
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| 08:45.44 | mhall | SerajewelKS: or grep a kernel config file for the chip's number |
| 08:45.55 | mhall | SerajewelKS: or both of these |
| 08:46.02 | liable | SerajewelKS: http://linux-ata.org/sata-status.html#open_chipsets |
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| 08:46.28 | nemontemi | this is an offtopic question: what ID3 Tag mass editor / file renamer do you know to be good ? |
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| 08:47.59 | SerajewelKS | mhall, liable: thanks |
| 08:48.51 | SerajewelKS | 250gb SATA3G/s $85... fuck, and i just spend $130 on a 200gb ATA like six months ago |
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| 08:49.10 | mhall | ya hd prices took yet another dive in the past couple months |
| 08:49.18 | SerajewelKS | do SATA drives show up as /dev/hd* or /dev/sd*? |
| 08:49.28 | xored | is it true, that mysql 5.0 is not free anymore ? So if i want to use it for hosting service, i must get a licence ? |
| 08:49.29 | liable | sd in 2.6 |
| 08:49.30 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i scored a samsung 300 gb sata 2 for < 150 usd at A FUCKING COMPUSA |
| 08:49.37 | mhall | SerajewelKS: 2.6 --> sd |
| 08:49.42 | SerajewelKS | mhall: nice |
| 08:49.59 | SerajewelKS | okay so what are the complications from booting off a SATA drive (currently using lilo) |
| 08:50.04 | mhall | SerajewelKS: some old controllers can be coaxed into hd, but you lose out on queueing, which they probably did not support anyways |
| 08:50.08 | mhall | SerajewelKS: just fix fstab |
| 08:50.16 | mhall | SerajewelKS: and tell BIOS to boot SATA first |
| 08:50.27 | mhall | SerajewelKS: and tweak your drive lettering |
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| 08:52.28 | SerajewelKS | mhall: presumably lilo will need to be updated too |
| 08:53.26 | SerajewelKS | no wonder this drive is cheap, all the newegg comments say it runs hot as fuck |
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| 08:53.44 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 08:53.46 | Pupeno | How do I extract encrypted and unencrypted RSA keys out of my certificate issued by CAcert ? |
| 08:53.49 | mhall | SerajewelKS: what brand |
| 08:53.54 | SerajewelKS | mhall: WD |
| 08:54.03 | mhall | SerajewelKS: hmm how much rpms |
| 08:54.04 | SerajewelKS | mhall: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144417 |
| 08:54.14 | mhall | SerajewelKS: and read the raw data sheet and see what manuf says about temps |
| 08:54.20 | mhall | SerajewelKS: maybe they did it on purpose |
| 08:54.38 | doublehp | Q: is there a way to invert load order of two drivers hardlinked ? its about two SCSI Drivers, so, they sould not depend one on the other ... I need that to swap at KERNEL LEVEL the device detection, otherwise my root is not 'sda' ... |
| 08:54.43 | SerajewelKS | mhall: the description says it has "fast cooling" |
| 08:54.44 | mhall | SerajewelKS: people who buy from newegg are often ricers who are a bit overly paranoid about such stuff |
| 08:54.54 | mhall | doublehp: no you don't |
| 08:55.00 | SerajewelKS | mhall: some of the comments say the drive locked after several days from the heat |
| 08:55.01 | mhall | doublehp: there is a simpler way |
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| 08:55.11 | SerajewelKS | mhall: at any rate, looking at a hitachi w/identical specs and price |
| 08:55.49 | doublehp | mhall: ? |
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| 08:56.31 | SerajewelKS | mhall: hrm this drive says it's firmware limits it to 1.5G and you have to download some DOS utility to change to 3.0G, and it doesn't come with cables =/ |
| 08:56.43 | mhall | doublehp: Instead of giving the device explicitly, one may indicate the (ext2 or xfs) filesystem that is to be mounted by its UUID or volume |
| 08:56.53 | mhall | doublehp: label (cf. e2label(8) or xfs_admin(8)), writing LABEL=<label> or UUID=<uuid>, e.g., ‘LABEL=Boot’ or ‘UUID=3e6be9de-8139-11d1-9106†|
| 08:57.00 | mhall | doublehp: -a43f08d823a6’. This will make the system more robust: adding or removing a SCSI disk changes the disk device name but not the |
| 08:57.07 | mhall | doublehp: filesystem volume label. |
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| 08:57.16 | kenboo | is there psycopg2 package? |
| 08:57.18 | mhall | doublehp: man fstab |
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| 08:57.20 | SerajewelKS | mhall: at any rate, customers seem a lot happier with this one. time to hunt up a controller card. |
| 08:57.32 | doublehp | mhall: I have never seen kernel argument could detect root dev as label/UUID |
| 08:57.33 | tarzeau | widrone: it's updated a bit, but not perfect |
| 08:57.48 | mhall | SerajewelKS: well i did have so far one click of death from IBM / apache, and one from WD |
| 08:57.56 | deadcat | mhall: you reg. for linuxworldexpo? |
| 08:57.59 | mhall | SerajewelKS: so now i use seagate and samsung |
| 08:58.15 | doublehp | mhall: I recognise its a VERY GOOD tip, if we can find how to tweak that ... |
| 08:58.20 | SerajewelKS | mhall: *nods* my 200gb is seagate, seems to work well. RMA'd this one once from bad sectors. |
| 08:58.21 | mhall | deadcat: thanks for the reminder. i will add it to my list of things to figure out about at HP |
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| 08:58.33 | mhall | SerajewelKS: hmm can't win with seagate either then |
| 08:58.37 | deadcat | mhall: hahah |
| 08:58.44 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i'm probably on the cusp of a SAN purchase |
| 08:58.53 | mhall | deadcat: in that, i'm not sure how busy i'll be at first |
| 08:58.54 | widrone | tarzeau: Aye, Ill have a look soon. Nothing is ever perfect anyway is it, as long as there can be added more stuff... =) |
| 08:58.59 | SerajewelKS | mhall: my 80gb WD is dying, that's why i'm upgrading to SATA |
| 08:59.11 | tarzeau | widrone: i've just installed telnet... |
| 08:59.18 | SerajewelKS | mhall: it's been making whining and metal grinding noises for about a year |
| 08:59.19 | mhall | deadcat: obviously if i can do it, i will do it, it's a trivial drive down I-80 to SFO. ~110 miles on one road |
| 08:59.23 | tarzeau | widrone: but stuff like /etc and daemons won't work easily |
| 08:59.25 | mhall | SerajewelKS: WTF?!?!? |
| 08:59.31 | SerajewelKS | mhall: it's really a wonder it hasn't exploded |
| 08:59.31 | tarzeau | widrone: telnet binary is telnet.netkit and not just telnet |
| 08:59.34 | deadcat | mhall: damn |
| 08:59.43 | SerajewelKS | mhall: well it happens on-and-off |
| 09:00.01 | mhall | deadcat: damn to which? :) |
| 09:00.16 | doublehp | mhall: from TLDP and bootparam(7), rootdev has to be fixed major:minor ... cant see how to pass label/UUID option ... |
| 09:00.39 | mhall | doublehp: well you can set root in lilo to anything |
| 09:00.53 | doublehp | mhall: I dont use lilo ... |
| 09:00.58 | widrone | Oh I went nv driver and 1600x1200. No I need friggen glasses or contacts to get work done I think. |
| 09:01.00 | mhall | doublehp: the only trick is getting a happy MBR you can boot, then the root dev can be anything supported by the bios |
| 09:01.05 | deadcat | mhall: damn the long drive heheh |
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| 09:01.11 | mhall | doublehp: surely grub would support that |
| 09:01.22 | mhall | deadcat: it really shouldn't take more than 90 min. |
| 09:01.23 | doublehp | mhall: MBR is fine, problem is rootdev |
| 09:01.28 | SerajewelKS | $67 for an SATAII controller? |
| 09:01.30 | SerajewelKS | shit... |
| 09:01.35 | mhall | doublehp: i am not sure i see why it's a problem |
| 09:01.42 | doublehp | mhall: why are you telling me about boot loader when I am sking about kernel opt ? |
| 09:02.07 | mhall | SerajewelKS: new mobo with celeron 2.4 proc is 100 for both and the cpu cooler at pcclub |
| 09:02.22 | mhall | SerajewelKS: and it comes with a sata controller on board, but not sata 2 though |
| 09:02.43 | mhall | SerajewelKS: seems fast enough for now but of course my next machine will be 2x opteron 2-series + nf4 pro |
| 09:03.02 | mhall | doublehp: well i am a bit confused by why your system will not work |
| 09:03.09 | doublehp | mhall: ISP driver is loaded before SYM, so that HDD on ISP will have the smallest minor, or at least smaller than for SYM; if I could force kernel to load SYM first, then disks on SYM would have the smallest minors (major for all my SCSI drives is always 8 anyway ) |
| 09:03.16 | SerajewelKS | mhall: well SATAI PCI is only $11 |
| 09:03.19 | mhall | doublehp: so i'm not trying to be a jackass, i am just trying to figure out what the problem is |
| 09:03.25 | SerajewelKS | mhall: jeez, $50 difference |
| 09:03.35 | mhall | SerajewelKS: hmm. maybe there is some other way to get this controller. |
| 09:03.50 | SerajewelKS | mhall: the PCI-X SATAII controllers are dirt cheap |
| 09:03.57 | mhall | SerajewelKS: there's no way it costs 25 usd to make a sata 2 controller or the mobo companies would have a war |
| 09:04.20 | SerajewelKS | mhall: it's $58 *minimum* for PCI SATA II on newegg |
| 09:04.42 | doublehp | mhall: labels/UUID only usable in fstab, not at kernel rootdev level. |
| 09:04.44 | mhall | SerajewelKS: right but i am suspecting there must be some other way to get one |
| 09:04.59 | mhall | doublehp: right but i am still not understanding what is preventing the system from booting |
| 09:05.09 | SerajewelKS | mhall: you mean another company or another chipset or... |
| 09:05.11 | mhall | doublehp: one answer that's guaranteed to fix the problem would be initrd |
| 09:05.21 | doublehp | mhall: kernel do loads; problem is rootdev mounting |
| 09:05.21 | mhall | doublehp: because you can set the module load order |
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| 09:05.41 | SerajewelKS | mhall: i might just go with SATA I, it's not like i'll be using 3G/s anyway.. probably not even 1.5G/s |
| 09:05.43 | mhall | doublehp: right but i do not understand why it cannot mount |
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| 09:05.47 | doublehp | mhall: so, how can I set module load order before mounting root ? |
| 09:05.49 | mhall | SerajewelKS: that's not the issue. |
| 09:05.58 | mhall | SerajewelKS: the issue is NCQ. native command queueing. |
| 09:06.07 | SerajewelKS | mhall: which is... |
| 09:06.12 | mhall | SerajewelKS: which sata 1 did not esp. have because it was a bit of a hack. |
| 09:06.17 | SerajewelKS | mhall: helpful to me how |
| 09:06.31 | hareldvd | Newbie in debian, need to add startup script in rc3.d source in init.d. is there a command such as rc-update (Gentoo) or chkconfig (RedHat)? |
| 09:06.37 | mhall | SerajewelKS: it means that the drive may reorder its input/output operations to most closely match its current head and sector location |
| 09:06.42 | SerajewelKS | hareldvd: update-rc.d |
| 09:06.57 | hareldvd | SerajewelKS: Thanks |
| 09:06.58 | mhall | SerajewelKS: sort of like how XFS reserves the right to book the pending i/o operations in whatever order is most convenient for it |
| 09:07.05 | SerajewelKS | mhall: that's hardly worth an extra wad of cash |
| 09:07.25 | mhall | SerajewelKS: actually will get you a lot more performance if you have multiple simultaneous i/o requests |
| 09:07.27 | SerajewelKS | mhall: probably will amount to $80-100 extra considering the drive |
| 09:07.51 | mhall | SerajewelKS: but if you're just planning to do a backup or other single thread of stuff at a time, probably not a big improvement. |
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| 09:08.03 | SerajewelKS | mhall: unless you can figure out how to get a SATA II PCI controller for cheaper... |
| 09:08.07 | mhall | SerajewelKS: at compusa at least sata 2 was not really any more than pata |
| 09:08.11 | SerajewelKS | mhall: well there is bittorrent, that does a fair bit of seeking |
| 09:08.16 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i'm pretty sure there must be one on pricewatch.com |
| 09:08.20 | doublehp | mhall: when I add extra disk on ISP card, then rootdev minor is increased by 8 units, and would for example shift sdg to sdh ... thus, root argument would not be good any more ... but if I could force kernel to load SYM driver first, then all would be fine in my world. |
| 09:08.29 | mhall | SerajewelKS: yes; especially if you are a big seed or dl multiple torrents at a time |
| 09:08.46 | mhall | SerajewelKS: the smaller the blocks of i/o the bigger help it is for the drive to do these i/o tweaks |
| 09:08.47 | SerajewelKS | mhall: with this bandwidth i can't really be a big seed =P |
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| 09:09.19 | mhall | doublehp: but i don't see why this can't be fixed by making a one-time bootloader configuration change coupled with UUIDs in fstab |
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| 09:09.44 | mhall | doublehp: you can also find out if GRUB supports booting drives by UUID / GUID |
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| 09:10.02 | mhall | doublehp: i'll bet grub's smart enough to read the ids and then write the proper kernel boot string |
| 09:10.17 | mhall | doublehp: because i'm sure there's somebody who needed to boot off a san or other obscure device |
| 09:10.21 | SerajewelKS | mhall: $34 on PW |
| 09:10.23 | mhall | doublehp: who wanted this fault tolerance |
| 09:10.28 | mhall | SerajewelKS: ya that figures |
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| 09:10.52 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i predict, newegg ran out of stock on its cheaper sata 2 cards |
| 09:10.59 | mhall | SerajewelKS: but that's just a hypothesis |
| 09:11.08 | doublehp | mhall: fstab is not readable yet when kernel tries to mount rootdev |
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| 09:11.27 | mhall | doublehp: right. the fstab fix is for the boot scripts so the mounts don't error out |
| 09:11.29 | doublehp | mhall: bootloader DOES WORK; problem is ONLY about kernel mounting root ! |
| 09:11.44 | SerajewelKS | mhall: is PCI even fast enough for 3G/s? |
| 09:11.45 | mhall | doublehp: but, the root= string is generated by the bootloader |
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| 09:12.10 | mhall | doublehp: so my theory is... figure out how to make the bootloader generate the root string on the fly based on the partition IDs |
| 09:12.13 | luqman | hello... i got a problem with knoppix 5.0.1 - my system hangs when thumbdrive in inserted. anyone care to help? |
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| 09:12.24 | SerajewelKS | mhall: what i've seen so far says SATAII will be fucking expensive |
| 09:12.27 | SlayerXP | luqman: no, this isn't #knoppix |
| 09:12.28 | mhall | doublehp: i'm pretty sure there must be a way to do that because otherwise you can't have device-independent booting |
| 09:12.40 | mhall | SerajewelKS: well i got the 300g samsung for 150 with no sale going on |
| 09:12.40 | doublehp | mhall: that is not possible with the bott loader I am using |
| 09:12.51 | mhall | SerajewelKS: apparently samsung does not make sata 1 anymore |
| 09:12.55 | SerajewelKS | mhall: i mean the controller |
| 09:12.57 | mhall | SerajewelKS: so all new samsung sata are v2 |
| 09:13.02 | luqman | thanks! |
| 09:13.32 | mhall | SerajewelKS: that's not a whole lot more than the v1 controller, and the quality difference is like the difference from DMA33 to Ultra320 scsi |
| 09:13.42 | mhall | doublehp: what one are you using |
| 09:14.10 | mhall | doublehp: because in my loader i just changed the root argument it sent to the kernel when i rearranged drives, and everything ran fine after that |
| 09:14.10 | doublehp | mhall: found a workaround :) I have replaced ISP card by an additionnal SYM, so that driver is the same, and putting the 2nd SYM higher on bus, disks are detected 'later' :) |
| 09:14.13 | SerajewelKS | mhall: well this one on pricewatch doesn't exactly look like a reliable vendor |
| 09:14.23 | mhall | doublehp: hmm. that's a strange hack. |
| 09:14.24 | doublehp | mhall: aboot, since I hate milo :) |
| 09:14.29 | mhall | SerajewelKS: which one is it |
| 09:14.36 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i've used a number. |
| 09:14.37 | SerajewelKS | mhall: http://www.yesmicro.com/Item.aspx?sku=14217CTD&sgd=340d335d315d317d318 |
| 09:14.40 | doublehp | mhall: bah, I have 6 SCSI cards, amongst which 4 spare ones :) |
| 09:14.54 | SerajewelKS | mhall: wtf is sata ii-150? |
| 09:15.04 | mhall | doublehp: oof alpha. i threw mine away it was so bizarre |
| 09:15.15 | mhall | doublehp: SRM and the BIOS were both way too fucking weird for me |
| 09:15.24 | doublehp | mhall: not bizare ... real system :) x86 *is* bizar ! |
| 09:15.35 | mhall | SerajewelKS: well the gigabits are not the key point |
| 09:15.41 | mhall | SerajewelKS: the NCQ is more useful |
| 09:16.02 | doublehp | mhall: did you read about EFI ? Intel is at last coming back to CLI and will supress BIOS soon |
| 09:16.22 | mhall | SerajewelKS: SIIG is the vendor, look up their part number SC-SA0012-S1, and see what they say |
| 09:16.28 | doublehp | mhall: SRM is a pleasure for me ! |
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| 09:16.43 | mhall | SerajewelKS: if you use a credit card and it goes wrong, then you have a right to reverse the charge |
| 09:16.51 | mhall | SerajewelKS: so you really are pretty much covered |
| 09:17.03 | SerajewelKS | mhall: so, SATA II-150 is SATA II operating at SATA I speeds (with extra SATA II features)? |
| 09:17.09 | mhall | doublehp: ... i prefer command line loaders as well. i just don't prefer alphas. |
| 09:17.10 | SerajewelKS | mhall: all i've got is debit and paypal |
| 09:17.24 | mhall | doublehp: i tried to install a replacement vidcard because the one in the alpha was not supported by X |
| 09:17.51 | mhall | doublehp: and the alpha booted up and showed me a screen on the video card saying it would not let me boot with that card in the machine |
| 09:18.09 | mhall | doublehp: which was obviously an unnecessary error because it generated a screen just fine |
| 09:18.16 | mhall | SerajewelKS: debit with VISA / MC logo? |
| 09:18.30 | mhall | SerajewelKS: those are covered by the same rules as credit VISA / MC |
| 09:18.33 | adggg | why am I getting uname command not found from rescue disk environment? |
| 09:18.35 | SerajewelKS | mhall: visa, yeah |
| 09:18.37 | doublehp | mhall: I dont think I can ever get X working *properly* on AS4100, but I ll tru AS1200; on 4100, X makes garbage around consoles, but pure X apps like FireFox work great. |
| 09:18.49 | mhall | SerajewelKS: then you are good to make like a ball and get rollin' |
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| 09:19.29 | mhall | doublehp: i had some sort of piece of shit 200 mhz box i rescued from the trash... only to send it straight back there a week later |
| 09:19.51 | mhall | doublehp: i was never happier than when i heard the CLANG!!!!! of it hitting the bottom of the dumpster |
| 09:20.29 | doublehp | mhall: poor you ... 4100 is 3 EV56 (533/100), 1200 is dual EV56 :) ... got 2 1200, for a total of 7 CPUs |
| 09:20.49 | mhall | doublehp: i have had great luck with the sparcs though |
| 09:20.55 | SerajewelKS | mhall: oo this card supports hotswapping |
| 09:20.58 | mhall | doublehp: i get those booting perfectly every time |
| 09:21.07 | mhall | SerajewelKS: hehe sweet. link to manuf. spec.? |
| 09:21.26 | doublehp | mhall: ah, sparc is a bit more commun, thus slitly more expensive at refurb places :) |
| 09:21.27 | SerajewelKS | mhall: http://www.siig.com/product.asp?query=SC-SA0012-S1&pid=1043 |
| 09:21.34 | mhall | doublehp: i get free ones |
| 09:21.41 | doublehp | mhall: USA ? |
| 09:21.59 | SerajewelKS | mhall: says it "requires" windows... not sure how to search for linux drivers / compliance |
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| 09:22.17 | doublehp | SerajewelKS: :) |
| 09:22.17 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i think maybe they mean by the 1.5, that 1.5 was about the most PCI could do |
| 09:22.36 | mhall | but this sentence is your friend: Supports Native Command Queuing (NCQ) and SATA TCQ commands |
| 09:22.45 | SerajewelKS | mhall: yeah saw that |
| 09:22.57 | SerajewelKS | mhall: but all this is moot if linux won't see it |
| 09:23.24 | doublehp | SerajewelKS: whn I bought some IDE card I forgot the nam 4 years ago, site said: "card can be compliant with RedHat if you upgrade BIOS; for that, you need to boot DOS". |
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| 09:23.58 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i uncompressed the driver exe with unzip |
| 09:23.59 | SerajewelKS | doublehp: because it's too damn hard to slap together a bootdisk for you |
| 09:24.03 | mhall | SerajewelKS: and got this data |
| 09:24.07 | mhall | SerajewelKS: INITIO INIC1620 S-ATA Adapter |
| 09:24.27 | mhall | doublehp: freedos usually works for bios upgrades |
| 09:24.29 | SerajewelKS | mhall: hmm should be a good google |
| 09:24.35 | mhall | doublehp: and you can go to bootdisk.com |
| 09:24.55 | Noboru | although debian interests you and costs you the most of your time,dont forget to take a look on fifa2006 tonight :) |
| 09:25.07 | Noboru | take a look at* |
| 09:25.15 | SerajewelKS | mhall: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Apr/0474.html :( |
| 09:26.54 | mhall | SerajewelKS: that seems like a flame rather than a reply by somebody who knew the controller well |
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| 09:27.16 | SerajewelKS | mhall: but it's one google hit out of only three |
| 09:27.44 | Goshawk | is there a way to stp a job and pass it to nohup? |
| 09:27.54 | iKernel | omfg one of my tools has a bit of rust on it! |
| 09:27.55 | iKernel | brb |
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| 09:29.21 | SerajewelKS | mhall: actually the vendor site itself specifically says "not linux compatible" when i select my os |
| 09:29.35 | mhall | hmm |
| 09:30.06 | liable | yay, xorg sucking 93% brb |
| 09:30.07 | iKernel | >:( |
| 09:30.46 | SerajewelKS | mhall: the only SATA products on their site that are listed linux-compatible are SATA cables :> |
| 09:31.08 | mhall | SerajewelKS: ok. my bad. it won't work. i confirmed: http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3047 |
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| 09:35.41 | blondie | ARGH SODDING LINUX |
| 09:36.02 | iKernel | >:( |
| 09:36.21 | iKernel | blondie, ? |
| 09:36.38 | Rothgar | http://www.google.com/help/netneutrality.html |
| 09:38.19 | mhall | Rothgar: personally i'm in favor of not regulating |
| 09:38.49 | Rothgar | I know |
| 09:38.52 | Rothgar | So am I |
| 09:39.04 | mhall | Rothgar: the FCC is a bunch of shitty assed stupid sons of bitches who can't regulate their way out of a coffee tin full of shit, into which each of their heads seem permanently inserted |
| 09:39.38 | Rothgar | I tried to sign and say, what the fuck are you doing and it denied me because I am in Canada :| |
| 09:39.38 | mhall | Rothgar: for example please consider their response to VOIP: unimaginably stupid emergency 911 regulations and the threat of high taxes |
| 09:39.43 | blondie | stupid machine locked up in the night |
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| 09:40.29 | mhall | Rothgar: let the market decide. customers can choose internet providers and they'll bitch out, sue, and/or dump ones that do things they don't like |
| 09:41.27 | SerajewelKS | mhall: bleh, finding a cheap PCI SATA II card that works on linux is going to be a challenge |
| 09:41.28 | mhall | also i can't understand why other user's of the net's bandwidth are not more willing to help fund the billions it will cost the phone and cable companies to lay good copper and fiber out to every house in america |
| 09:41.35 | mhall | SerajewelKS: sux0r |
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| 09:41.45 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i bet a motherboard is cheaper and easier |
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| 09:43.13 | Dewi | I am running an IP masquerade... how would I go about getting statistics on which LAN stations traffic is going to / coming from? |
| 09:43.50 | petemc_ | Dewi: i use ipac-ng |
| 09:45.06 | mhall | Dewi: mrtg. multi router traffic grapher? |
| 09:45.21 | Dewi | thanks guys... I'll check them out |
| 09:45.28 | sep | Dewi, i use ipfm |
| 09:45.36 | mhall | Dewi: please hold a moment |
| 09:46.14 | mhall | Dewi: please try queries such as the following as well apt-cache search ip | grep -i statistic |
| 09:46.18 | Dewi | mhall: with the speed my modem is currently going I don't have much choice :D |
| 09:47.35 | SerajewelKS | mhall: wtf is PCI-X |
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| 09:47.54 | Rothgar | PCI Express |
| 09:48.18 | SerajewelKS | Rothgar: wikipedia says it's not |
| 09:48.50 | sep | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI-X |
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| 09:49.54 | mhall | PCIX != PCI Express |
| 09:49.55 | sep | SerajewelKS, wikipedia is correct PCI-X is not the same as PCI Express |
| 09:50.01 | mhall | PCI Express == PCIe |
| 09:50.19 | mhall | PCIX == an old extension to PCI for servers to get more bandwidth back before PCIe existed |
| 09:50.33 | pipeline | PCI-X == still the dominant form factor for option cards |
| 09:50.42 | mhall | they used it for U160 and U320 SCSI controllers, and 1GbE as well as 10GbE |
| 09:50.49 | Rothgar | Don't they still use PCI-X in HP servers etc? |
| 09:50.55 | pipeline | They still use PCI-X everywhere. |
| 09:50.57 | mhall | pipeline: not quite. PCI is way more common than PCI-X |
| 09:51.04 | pipeline | mhall: PCI *is* PCI-X. |
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| 09:51.10 | pipeline | mhall: They're forwards and backwards compatible. |
| 09:51.15 | SerajewelKS | hrm my mobo isn't on newegg anymore, not sure if it has PCI-X |
| 09:51.15 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 09:51.28 | mhall | PCI-X's flaw was you couldn't put in very many cards because it was microwave sensitive due to being a high-speed parallel bus |
| 09:51.32 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: It doesn't really matter. Consumer-grade garbage never has any decent PCI slots. |
| 09:51.34 | SerajewelKS | but since i have a regular PCI card in there i don't suppose it would be any faster |
| 09:51.39 | pipeline | mhall: That's a load of tripe. |
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| 09:51.54 | mhall | it got so bad that a 533 mhz bus could only run about 1-2 slots per bridge |
| 09:51.58 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: Most consumer-grade boards have one PCI bus shared between all of the slots, so the slowest card determines the speed of the whole bus. |
| 09:52.11 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: yes, that's what i'm pondering |
| 09:52.14 | pipeline | mhall: That's a GOOD thing. :P |
| 09:52.15 | Pupeno | How do I see all the non-automatically installed packages in Aptitude ? |
| 09:52.17 | mhall | pipeline: ok if i'm so fucking full of bullshit then why did they make PCIe to replace it then, genius |
| 09:52.29 | SerajewelKS | the PCI-X SATA II cards are cheaper than PCI |
| 09:52.32 | pipeline | mhall: PCI-E might become important. Some day. In like, ten years. |
| 09:52.38 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: PCI-X *is* PCI. Don't worry about it. |
| 09:52.39 | Dewi | mhall: higher clock? |
| 09:52.43 | mhall | pipeline: like *now* |
| 09:52.53 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: Anything that says PCI-X will work just fine in a shitty 32/33 slot. |
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| 09:53.05 | pipeline | mhall: Ooook. Good luck finding anything that isn't a graphics card for PCI-E :) |
| 09:53.08 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: yeah i know, i read the article a while ago |
| 09:53.08 | mhall | Dewi: right. BECAUSE FUCKING PCI-X COULDN'T GO ANY QUICKER DUE TO MICROWAVE INTERFERENCE WITH ITSELF |
| 09:53.11 | pipeline | mhall: What little there is uses bridge chips. |
| 09:53.20 | mhall | pipeline: they have sata-2, u320, and 1/10GbE |
| 09:53.24 | pipeline | mhall: i.e. you pay extra for no performance improvement whatsoever |
| 09:53.32 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: just wondering if i could get better speed. but since my wifi and tv tuner cards are regular PCI it doesn't matter if the mobo does PCI-X or not. |
| 09:53.54 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: If you want to improve speed, buy a motherboard with independent PCI busses so that fast cards can run faster than slow ones :P |
| 09:53.54 | mhall | pipeline: the reason there isn't more is because nf4 pro and the like have native onboard PCIe peripherals |
| 09:54.06 | pipeline | mhall: I don't care about toy chipsets. |
| 09:54.08 | mhall | pipeline: and nothing besides ethernet, sata, and scsi uses the PCIe speed |
| 09:54.09 | Pupeno | What I want to do is the same as viewing the world file in Gentoo, is that possible on Debian with Aptitude ? |
| 09:54.17 | mhall | pipeline: nf4 professional is not a toy chipset |
| 09:54.17 | Dewi | pipeline: the market for non-PCIe graphics cards is looking pretty lame at this point. |
| 09:54.26 | Dewi | pipeline: I'd say it's important now. |
| 09:54.28 | pipeline | mhall: It's made by nvidia, ergo it's a toy chipset. |
| 09:54.29 | mhall | pipeline: it's like, the number one chipset for Opterons |
| 09:54.35 | pipeline | Dewi: I mentioned graphics boards explicitly. |
| 09:54.41 | mhall | pipeline: dude you're just talking bias |
| 09:54.43 | Dewi | pipeline: and graphics boards are important. |
| 09:54.55 | pinkwerks | mhall : that is pure conjecture |
| 09:54.57 | mhall | pipeline: that's the best Opteron chipset out right now |
| 09:55.15 | pipeline | Dewi: Sure. But we've had dedicated busses for graphics cards for a long time. It's very common to see one or two 8x PCI-E slots paired with four or five conventional high-speed PCI slots. |
| 09:55.17 | mhall | anyways, this hardware war is off-topic |
| 09:55.22 | mhall | and i regret contributing to it |
| 09:55.27 | mhall | so i'm gonna shut the fuck up |
| 09:55.44 | mhall | Dewi: ? |
| 09:55.49 | SerajewelKS | i take it back, PCI-X SATA II cards are > $120 |
| 09:55.51 | fireba11 | hi everyone. .. i'm doing a backup to disk (a 40-GB-file) and since IO-tiem is really high during backup i suspect the filesystem is quite a bit fragmented (the disk was at 90% used for a long time so its likely) .. how to check that ? |
| 09:55.52 | Dewi | mhall: I can't really argue with that |
| 09:56.12 | pipeline | fireba11: Unless you have ReiserFS, fragmentation won't be an issue. |
| 09:56.15 | SerajewelKS | fuck is there no relatively cheap PCI(-X) SATA II card that will work with linux |
| 09:56.18 | mhall | fireba11: first off. what operating system. |
| 09:56.25 | mhall | pipeline: that's not really always the case |
| 09:56.41 | mhall | despite popular opinion i've observed fragmenting issues in UN*X fses before |
| 09:56.49 | fireba11 | mhall: debian sarge .. with ext3 .. i know the filesystem should prevent fragmentation but it's likely it couldn't help it |
| 09:57.04 | mhall | xfs really will run a lot faster if you do a full run of xfs_fsr on it to coagulate the extents together |
| 09:57.06 | pipeline | fireba11: In which case there's not much you can do. |
| 09:57.08 | sep | SerajewelKS, http://www.3ware.com/products/serial_ata2-9000.asp |
| 09:57.18 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: You pay for quality :P |
| 09:57.25 | mhall | fireba11: yeah there's a defragger for that |
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| 09:57.48 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: how do you figure that. debian was pretty inexpensive. |
| 09:57.49 | mhall | fireba11: mount it as ext2 and defrag it with defrag, then recreate the logfile |
| 09:57.51 | pinkwerks | fireba11 : IO-tiem is high because you are backing up from fragmented time. |
| 09:57.52 | fireba11 | mhall where? i only found defrag, and that can only do up to ext2 |
| 09:58.07 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: Heh, to you, the end-user. It was expensive to produce :) |
| 09:58.10 | mhall | fireba11: you can redo the logfile with tune2fs -j |
| 09:58.19 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: Debian is inexpensive the way red cross services are inexpensive :) |
| 09:58.20 | fireba11 | ah |
| 09:58.21 | mhall | fireba11: as long as you cleanly reboot in between you'll not lose any data |
| 09:58.40 | christor | Hello, I have some prob tu use the nvidia drivers for my graphic card. I installed it and all worked fine until I do a dist-upgrade. Now the modules is loaded but when I lauch startx I have an error Nvidia, No drivers available? any ideas? |
| 09:58.46 | mhall | fireba11: and of course make sure you're on good clean power first |
| 09:59.04 | mhall | !tell christor about nvidia one-liner |
| 09:59.04 | SerajewelKS | sep: cheapest 3ware on newegg is some $340 |
| 09:59.09 | ricky_clarkson | pipeline: Except that those involved do it for mutual gain, so it benefits them as well as costs them. |
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| 09:59.22 | SerajewelKS | christor: this on testing? |
| 09:59.25 | ricky_clarkson | The Red Cross staff might benefit a bit too, I suppose. ;) |
| 09:59.54 | christor | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 09:59.58 | gejo_deb | How Can I copy a folder from one server to another from command mode |
| 10:00.12 | gejo_deb | I know how tio ciopy files |
| 10:00.14 | SerajewelKS | christor: you will need to pull nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx from unstable. they're temporarily gone from testing. |
| 10:00.21 | SerajewelKS | christor: then run the one-liner |
| 10:00.24 | petemc_ | gejo_deb: scp, rsync |
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| 10:00.36 | gejo_deb | I don't have sh acces |
| 10:00.39 | christor | SerajewelKS: mh what is the one-liner :s? |
| 10:00.40 | gejo_deb | only ftp I have |
| 10:00.46 | gejo_deb | I know it using scp -r |
| 10:00.58 | SerajewelKS | christor: dpkg just told you |
| 10:01.19 | petemc_ | gejo_deb: ftp it down to somewhere, then ftp it to the destination, or get a client that supports ftp->ftp |
| 10:01.20 | pinkwerks | christor : the nvidia drivers are for 2.6.16, the latest linux-image is 2.6.15 in testing so install from unstable |
| 10:01.21 | fireba11 | mhall ? tuen2fs manpage says -j will create a journal .. i already got ext3 with journal ? |
| 10:01.34 | SerajewelKS | pinkwerks: no |
| 10:01.47 | mhall | fireba11: right. when you mount as ext2 the journal will disappear |
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| 10:02.09 | SerajewelKS | pinkwerks: i am using 2.6.15, the latest nonfree drivers work fine |
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| 10:02.14 | mhall | fireba11: and then you can do that command on the ext2, and change fstab back to ext3, and reboot, to get ext3 back again |
| 10:02.19 | gejo_deb | I have shell access to source server and only ftp access to tremote server |
| 10:02.22 | driller- | I cannot make my touchpad work, it does click by tapping, what can I do ? |
| 10:02.32 | christor | pinkwerks: :s |
| 10:02.38 | fireba11 | mhall what what exactly does that help against fragmentation ? |
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| 10:02.50 | christor | I hjave just a question , I have a lot of thing compiled with the 2.6.15 |
| 10:02.52 | mhall | fireba11: the idea is, when you are in ext2 mode, defrag will run right |
| 10:02.58 | SerajewelKS | pinkwerks: you are looking at the prebuilt modules |
| 10:03.01 | fireba11 | mhall ah |
| 10:03.08 | christor | Have I to recompil all with the 2.6.16 if I install it? |
| 10:03.12 | gejo_deb | Did you know some ftp client softwares like ncftp that work in command prompt to upload folders |
| 10:03.13 | SerajewelKS | christor: you don't need 2.6.16 |
| 10:03.16 | mhall | fireba11: and now i've shown you the process for getting into that mode |
| 10:03.23 | christor | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 10:03.40 | SerajewelKS | christor: debian provides prebuild nvidia drivers for 2.6.16, that doesn't mean you can't use m-a to build for an earlier kernel |
| 10:03.53 | SerajewelKS | christor: pull nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source out of unstable and install them |
| 10:04.12 | fireba11 | mhall: another option would be to move hoge amounts of data off that box and back :-) |
| 10:04.13 | mhall | christor: just this week i've built for 2.6.15.14 and 2.6.16.20 |
| 10:04.15 | SerajewelKS | christor: then the idiom is: m-a update; m-a a-i nvidia; modprobe nvidia; startx |
| 10:04.16 | fireba11 | huge |
| 10:04.32 | mhall | fireba11: yeah that sometimes works but often you have to recreate the fs to clean it out |
| 10:04.44 | mhall | fireba11: if you go to this trouble i advise you to upgrade to xfs: |
| 10:05.01 | SerajewelKS | christor: actually you need to: install nvidia-kernel-source, then 'm-a update; m-a a-i nvidia', then install nvidia-glx, then 'modprobe -r nvidia; modprobe nvidia', then run X |
| 10:05.08 | mhall | fireba11: xfsdump package contains xfs_fsr utility which can totally defrag an XFS LIVE with NO DOWNTIME |
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| 10:05.50 | fireba11 | mhall .. hmm i already want a new box for our fileserver so that would solve the fragmentation problem anyway |
| 10:05.51 | sep | SerajewelKS, you said relativly cheap... 3ware is so frigging good that it's relativly cheap |
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| 10:05.54 | mhall | fireba11: all you do is install and run xfs_fsr on the XFS mount point directory or device name you want to clean up, and it cleans everything up for you, except for memory mapped files |
| 10:05.57 | SerajewelKS | christor: i went through all this yesterday, although i had a pretty good idea what i was going to have to do. took me a few minutes to sort it out, and still working. |
| 10:06.08 | SerajewelKS | sep: i don't have three hundred bucks |
| 10:06.12 | mhall | fireba11: no sense to defrag if you can copy out the data and recreate with XFS |
| 10:06.22 | marlun | Can I somewhere see what packages is installed on a basic debian installation? |
| 10:06.24 | mhall | fireba11: best of all, xfs_fsr is designed to be run as a crob job :-) |
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| 10:06.29 | mhall | fireba11: cron job* |
| 10:06.33 | gejo_deb | Did you know some ftp client softwares like ncftp that work in command prompt to upload folders |
| 10:06.38 | fireba11 | mhall hm .. why doesn't ext3 have something like that ? |
| 10:06.42 | SerajewelKS | sep: i have about $150, and that includes the $80 hard drive |
| 10:06.55 | mhall | fireba11: well, XFS has some neato operations to make it work |
| 10:07.00 | mhall | fireba11: called atomic copy |
| 10:07.11 | christor | SerajewelKS: ok thx but I dont know how to take the unstable package, I m searching on the net. Thx for info |
| 10:07.15 | mhall | fireba11: it can secretly rewrite the file to a new contiguous disk extent |
| 10:07.23 | SerajewelKS | christor: packages.debian.org/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 10:07.26 | mhall | fireba11: then it uses smoke and mirrors to remap the file |
| 10:07.35 | SerajewelKS | christor: download links are in a table near the bottom |
| 10:07.38 | mhall | fireba11: even if it's open, as long as it's not mapped with mmap |
| 10:07.41 | fireba11 | mhall *g* |
| 10:08.03 | mhall | fireba11: i don't think other fses have this trick because XFS is the newest |
| 10:08.10 | mhall | fireba11: JFS is pretty cool though, it might do thatr |
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| 10:08.22 | iKernel | UT is unstable! |
| 10:08.24 | iKernel | it crashed! |
| 10:08.26 | SerajewelKS | christor: presumably you want the i386 packages, unless you're on AMD 64-bit |
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| 10:08.44 | SerajewelKS | iKernel: hey, UT is a proprietary product and we don't care! |
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| 10:09.25 | christor | arf I have an amd but I use the K7 kernel , however my comp is amd 64 |
| 10:09.38 | SerajewelKS | christor: then use i386 |
| 10:09.42 | Maiden | how can I disable dma of one hd in grub? |
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| 10:10.03 | christor | SerajewelKS: ok thx |
| 10:10.19 | christor | I m trying |
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| 10:11.07 | pinkwerks | chrisotr : it will fail |
| 10:11.54 | driller- | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.32 | SerajewelKS | driller-: if it does click by tapping, sounds like it's working fine |
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| 10:14.33 | christor | SerajewelKS: hope in good way :) |
| 10:15.24 | pinkwerks | SerajewelKS : yes getting anykind of feedback usually means pebkac |
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| 10:15.34 | driller- | SerajewelKS well it doesnt |
| 10:15.47 | fireba11 | mhall after reading up on XFS it seems i should use it at least for the fileserver ... |
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| 10:16.17 | christor | SerajewelKS: not in a good way :P |
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| 10:17.14 | pinkwerks | fireba11 : don't believe the hype. ext3 is just fine. |
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| 10:17.30 | christor | SerajewelKS: I need to install also the nvidia-kernel-common? |
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| 10:17.59 | fireba11 | pinkwerks: can't defrag it though ... that's a problem for a system with sever files with 40GB and a lot of dayly changes |
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| 10:18.54 | SerajewelKS | christor: oh, yeah |
| 10:19.03 | pinkwerks | fireba11 : 40gb ain't shit we use ext3 on terabytes of data, defraggin is 80's has been's |
| 10:19.45 | fireba11 | problem is when i re-write a backup-file of about 40 gb dayly on a HD about 90% full i think |
| 10:19.50 | SerajewelKS | mhall: bleh, i'm thinking i might as well get SATA I |
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| 10:20.02 | SerajewelKS | mhall: might keep the SATA II drive though, for a future upgrade |
| 10:20.05 | christor | SerajewelKS: yes I did it and it works :) |
| 10:20.12 | christor | SerajewelKS: Thank you |
| 10:20.17 | fireba11 | pinkwerks: i don't know what they did in the past to that poor server ;-) |
| 10:20.52 | SerajewelKS | christor: np |
| 10:21.07 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 10:21.13 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:21.14 | mhall | fireba11: please note i don't agree with pinkwerks because the latest benchmarks give XFS an edge when there is adequate CPU and JFS an edge when there's not quite enough CPU using recent 2.6 |
| 10:21.14 | fireba11 | pinkwerks if i reinstall that box and copy data there again it won't be a problem i'm sure .. got no clue how they managed to get it into its current state |
| 10:21.40 | fireba11 | mhall i don't care about spped that much |
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| 10:22.29 | tarzeau | how can i tell software to look in a different root for its data instead of / ? |
| 10:22.40 | yang | how do I add "history tracker" into set prompt? |
| 10:22.41 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: chroot? |
| 10:22.49 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: only root can run chroot |
| 10:22.51 | fireba11 | mhall but while copying the 40-gb-backup over a smaba share i got 80% I/O für 30 minutes .. so there has to have happened soemthing horrible to the poor filesystem in the past |
| 10:22.56 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: well, yeah |
| 10:22.59 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: if i'm root, i can install the software for real as well |
| 10:23.13 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: i don't think there's a standard way. could always write a library for LD_PRELOAD. |
| 10:23.59 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: can you tell me about a non-standard way or with LD_PRELOAD ? |
| 10:24.12 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: i've got precompiled debian package software... |
| 10:24.21 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: and i don't want to recompile any software |
| 10:24.24 | pinkwerks | fireba11 : your fs format on disk ins't the problem... the tolerance you're talking about is academic |
| 10:25.28 | fireba11 | pinkwerks i'm not talking about the difference from file system her .. i'm just trying to figure out how to get that messed up filesystem nice and shiny again ^^ |
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| 10:25.48 | mhall | fireba11: maybe DMA mode got disabled |
| 10:26.16 | fireba11 | mhall jsut to make sure .. how can i check hat ? |
| 10:26.39 | pinkwerks | fireba11 : man hdparm |
| 10:26.46 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: basically you write a library that implements the same open() prototype as libc. then you have to do some tricks with dlopen/dlsym to obtain the function pointer to the real libc call. then your open() implementation looks for opens to directories that you want to redirect, and changes them, passing the arguments to the function pointer you got. then run your program with LD_PRELOAD=yourlibrary.so someprogram |
| 10:26.53 | mhall | tarzeau: man that's fucked up. what could possibly be the security risk of letting non-root chroot? |
| 10:27.06 | SerajewelKS | mhall: lots of things |
| 10:27.10 | tarzeau | mhall: i'm not asking to be allowed to chroot as user |
| 10:27.20 | SerajewelKS | mhall: you can make /etc/passwd whatever you want |
| 10:27.29 | mhall | SerajewelKS: ah. makes sense. i get it now. |
| 10:27.40 | ricky_clarkson | A UML would work better. |
| 10:27.46 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i was thinking in terms of the kernel syscalls, not the userspace configuration |
| 10:28.06 | SerajewelKS | mhall: yeah it looks all nice and innocent |
| 10:28.07 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: so there's no ready to use library right? |
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| 10:28.13 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i guess something like Xen would be the most secure solution to that |
| 10:28.13 | ricky_clarkson | I installed etch in a chroot yesterday, it was great fun. |
| 10:28.19 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: there might be, but none that i know of |
| 10:28.34 | SerajewelKS | mhall: xen, uml, qemu, bochs, etc |
| 10:28.34 | mhall | tarzeau: fakeroot is going to be a start i suppose |
| 10:28.41 | tarzeau | mhall: www.linuks.mine.nu/uapt/ |
| 10:28.47 | mhall | SerajewelKS: isn't xen the fastest? |
| 10:28.51 | tarzeau | mhall: can you get fortune-mod to work? |
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| 10:28.59 | mhall | SerajewelKS: assuming you can handle the patch |
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| 10:29.06 | SerajewelKS | mhall: meh, fakeroot is a lot more complex than what tarzeau wants to do. starting there will just be confusing. |
| 10:29.19 | LinuxHelp | Can any1 give me some ideas as to why traffic from my debian stable to 10.0.0.* is severely constricted, while traffic to everything else is perfect? |
| 10:29.21 | SerajewelKS | mhall: fastest, sure. easiest to run right now, probably not. |
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| 10:29.40 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: if someoen can paste me what i type, i'm happy |
| 10:29.43 | SerajewelKS | mhall: by "right now" i don't mean at its current stage of development, i mean getting it set up the fastest |
| 10:29.47 | LinuxHelp | <-- please assume noob |
| 10:29.48 | WinInAWin | -NickServ- [iKernel] has been killed |
| 10:29.53 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 10:29.53 | dpkg | methinks noob is Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 10:30.17 | SerajewelKS | iKernel: cool, again we don't really care |
| 10:30.25 | iKernel | TaDa! |
| 10:30.26 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: what do you mean? |
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| 10:30.32 | iKernel | ... |
| 10:30.38 | iKernel | one moment |
| 10:30.41 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: can you check the link i gave mhall above? |
| 10:30.52 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: 06:28 < tarzeau> mhall: www.linuks.mine.nu/uapt/ |
| 10:31.07 | mhall | fireba11: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 10:31.20 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: yeah that one and say ./uapt-get install fortune-mod then run fortune in install/ somewhere? |
| 10:31.35 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: and then someone tell it to look in install for its data using fakeroot? |
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| 10:31.48 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: no, that's not what fakeroot does |
| 10:32.09 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: mhall was suggesting using the fakeroot codebase as a starting point to code your own library |
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| 10:32.26 | mhall | SerajewelKS: not quite |
| 10:32.27 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: ugh. ok no i'm not so keen of writing my own library for this |
| 10:32.33 | mhall | SerajewelKS: more as a tool to learn how it's done |
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| 10:32.38 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: i can live with the software i can install and use by now |
| 10:32.40 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: you might instead consider building a new debian package, and edit debian/rules to call ./configure with the --prefix you want |
| 10:32.49 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: no that's not possible |
| 10:32.54 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: on the boxes i run uapt |
| 10:32.56 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: why not |
| 10:33.11 | SerajewelKS | mhall: well, that's more or less what i meant |
| 10:33.55 | SerajewelKS | mhall: can you see any cards in this list that you know are supported on debian? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010150410+1193212547&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=410 |
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| 10:35.25 | goron | Is the next Stable already freezed? |
| 10:35.42 | SerajewelKS | goron: it's "frozen" and no i don't believe it is |
| 10:38.54 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i bet this one does PROMISE Sata300 TX2 Plus PCI SATA Controller Card - OEM |
| 10:39.01 | goron | SerajewelKS: oops. yeah, that was some awful grammar. So, if I now just change my distribution to testing, and then update everything, and then do nothing until the release of sarge, it should probably work? |
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| 10:39.51 | mhall | SerajewelKS: PROMISE SATA300 TX4 PCI SATA Controller Card - OEM also |
| 10:40.15 | pinkwerks | goron : no, nothing works for certain. |
| 10:40.33 | SerajewelKS | mhall: SATA300 == SATA II? |
| 10:40.56 | SerajewelKS | mhall: says it has NCQ, the fuck it's in the wrong category |
| 10:41.18 | SerajewelKS | mhall: which is really good, because this is cheaper than the ones in the SATA II category and work w/linux |
| 10:41.45 | mhall | SerajewelKS: 300 --> II |
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| 10:41.53 | SerajewelKS | mhall: fucking awesome |
| 10:41.57 | mhall | SerajewelKS: and, Promise controllers i've used have been very good |
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| 10:42.07 | SerajewelKS | mhall: if i were a woman i'd have sex with you |
| 10:42.14 | mhall | SerajewelKS: LOL! |
| 10:42.16 | pinkwerks | goron : testing != about-to-be-stable, at lesat in my years of upgrading. stable is solid, upgrading never is. |
| 10:42.18 | mhall | bwahaha |
| 10:42.51 | SerajewelKS | mhall: someone else gave me that compliment a while back, thought i'd pass it on ;) |
| 10:43.02 | Shadowcat | !sickos |
| 10:43.04 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 10:43.12 | LinuxHelp | Aside from iptables, what other traffic management rules are there with Debian Stable, 2.6.15-1 x86_64? |
| 10:43.16 | SerajewelKS | !mhallsmite Shadowcat |
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| 10:43.21 | SerajewelKS | aww... |
| 10:43.26 | Shadowcat | !whack SerajewelKS |
| 10:43.45 | SerajewelKS | i guess the PR people got all the fun cmd:'s |
| 10:43.59 | LinuxHelp | I'm looking specifically at traffic throttling, because I can connect, just VERY slowly |
| 10:44.14 | SerajewelKS | mhall: now i'm debating whether to get the 2x or the 4x |
| 10:44.17 | SerajewelKS | $10 more for 4x |
| 10:44.40 | SerajewelKS | mhall: but it would allow future expansion |
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| 10:44.59 | mhall | LinuxHelp: well you have also got the tcp wrappers |
| 10:45.06 | mhall | LinuxHelp: and, broken route tables |
| 10:45.18 | LinuxHelp | mhall, where do I find these config files? |
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| 10:45.33 | mhall | LinuxHelp: bing (no misspelling) and traceroute can help |
| 10:46.17 | SerajewelKS | mhall: according to http://linux-ata.org/sata-status.html#tx2 we don't have NCQ for that chipset yet |
| 10:46.19 | mhall | LinuxHelp: /etc/hosts.allow and deny for tcp wrappers |
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| 10:46.55 | SerajewelKS | mhall: or else i'm reading it wrong |
| 10:47.19 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i think it works by now |
| 10:47.24 | mhall | SerajewelKS: Update 2005/04/15: Support for the NCQ-capable SATAII TX2/TX4 boards was recently added. NCQ support is waiting on libata core. |
| 10:47.59 | SerajewelKS | mhall: yeah the "NCQ support is waiting on ..." tells me it's almost ready but not there yet |
| 10:48.06 | LinuxHelp | mhall, all lines in hosts.allow and deny are commented |
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| 10:49.01 | mhall | SerajewelKS: but that was 2005 |
| 10:49.08 | mhall | SerajewelKS: so i bet they fixed it by now |
| 10:49.11 | uwe | hello, i wanted to try suspend2 on my system, but i have the 2.6.15 kernel on debian testing and the suspend2 patch available in debians repositories is for 2.6.12 kernel which i cant find in the repositores! can i and how can i get packages that were in the repositories earlier? |
| 10:49.21 | SerajewelKS | mhall: doh! |
| 10:49.36 | SerajewelKS | mhall: that's only my 2nd big doh of the day... doing good so far |
| 10:50.06 | SerajewelKS | mhall: slocate says sata_promise.ko is packaged with the debian kernel, which is cool too |
| 10:50.19 | SerajewelKS | mhall: looks like this will be the buy |
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| 10:51.18 | mhall | SerajewelKS: yeah like i say, i have nothing but good luck with every promise controller i tried so far |
| 10:51.51 | SerajewelKS | mhall: sweet well thanks for the help |
| 10:52.27 | SerajewelKS | mhall: hrm, i wonder if the card comes w/cables |
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| 10:52.57 | SerajewelKS | mhall: according to the picture, it does. but that's the /picture/ |
| 10:53.17 | goron | pinkwerks: I know downgrading is not "supported". I guess you are right about that testing!=about-to-be-stable. |
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| 10:54.01 | SerajewelKS | goron: well testing might be stable soon, if debian is near a release. but that doesn't mean it's stable per se. |
| 10:54.02 | mhall | SerajewelKS: try vendor site |
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| 10:54.10 | mhall | SerajewelKS: and look at parts list |
| 10:54.21 | SerajewelKS | mhall: well this is OEM, does the vendor site list OEM info on their site? |
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| 10:55.09 | SixtyWatt | My monitor is 1280x800 but debian only allows for it to be displayed at 1024x768. How can I edit this to allow for greater resolution? |
| 10:55.20 | SerajewelKS | mhall: not asking you to check, just asking if vendors usually do |
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| 10:55.43 | mhall | SerajewelKS: • Cables in kit |
| 10:55.44 | mhall | - 4 x 25" (650mm) Serial ATA Cables |
| 10:55.54 | SerajewelKS | !drxx SixtyWatt |
| 10:55.54 | dpkg | SixtyWatt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:56.02 | SerajewelKS | SixtyWatt: what video card |
| 10:56.04 | mhall | SerajewelKS: newegg has a 1800 number you can call and ask on |
| 10:56.12 | LinuxHelp | mhall, bing seems to give a lot of bandwidth with "bing <thisIP> <routerIP>" |
| 10:56.17 | mhall | SerajewelKS: it's cheaper than a) buying useless cables or b) having to reorder |
| 10:56.32 | SerajewelKS | mhall: hrm was that info from newegg or vendor site? |
| 10:56.38 | mhall | LinuxHelp: yeah i guess maybe you have to keep experimenting. helps to think about what changes |
| 10:56.44 | mhall | SerajewelKS: promise |
| 10:56.52 | SerajewelKS | mhall: ah ok, thanks for checking |
| 10:56.54 | mhall | SerajewelKS: http://www.promise.com/marketing/datasheet/file/1_S300%20TX4_040605.pdf |
| 10:57.15 | LinuxHelp | mhall, would adding ALL to /etc/hosts.allow make a difference? |
| 10:57.28 | mhall | LinuxHelp: think carefully before you mess with that file |
| 10:57.45 | LinuxHelp | mhall, you are like a fortune cookie |
| 10:57.49 | mhall | LinuxHelp: might check packages.debian.org to see who installs the default file and what it contains |
| 10:57.55 | mhall | LinuxHelp: lol in what way? |
| 10:58.22 | LinuxHelp | mhall, you answer indirectly.. with very general advice |
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| 10:58.39 | mhall | LinuxHelp: the problem is a lot of what i know about files like these i learn by watching other's failures and questions |
| 10:58.59 | mhall | LinuxHelp: i'm more helpful with programming stuff |
| 10:59.06 | LinuxHelp | k |
| 10:59.18 | mhall | LinuxHelp: this will get better soon though when i go into network security R&D and have some more direct knowledge |
| 10:59.27 | LinuxHelp | k |
| 10:59.35 | mhall | LinuxHelp: i just try to suggest everything i can think of to try to help peoples' brains percolate |
| 10:59.53 | LinuxHelp | >k< |
| 10:59.57 | mhall | sometimes it works as it did for SerajewelKS and sometimes it doesn't as for you |
| 11:00.07 | mhall | do you ever say anything besides k? |
| 11:00.17 | LinuxHelp | nr |
| 11:00.23 | mhall | o rly? |
| 11:00.28 | LinuxHelp | yrly |
| 11:00.41 | mhall | lolz |
| 11:00.45 | mhall | time for bed |
| 11:01.07 | mhall | i hope you can figure it out. you might look at your route -n output LinuxHelp and see if it's messed up |
| 11:01.11 | SerajewelKS | mhall: my state tax refund will pay for the controller :> |
| 11:01.26 | mhall | routing tables are one of the biggest glitches i've experienced on networks |
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| 11:01.49 | LinuxHelp | wait mhall |
| 11:01.54 | mhall | LinuxHelp: another thing, maybe somebody plugged a 10baset card or an 11mbit wireless card into the shared network segment |
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| 11:01.59 | SerajewelKS | mhall: or rather, the money that i earned and the government took over the past year, only to waste the rest of my tax money on paper, man hours, and postage to deliver back to me. |
| 11:01.59 | zophyx | is there a cross-pollination method whereby i can emerge gentoo packages into debian ? |
| 11:02.04 | mhall | LinuxHelp: which would slow everybody's connection to that speed |
| 11:02.11 | mhall | SerajewelKS: yeah. those pig fuckers. |
| 11:02.41 | SerajewelKS | mhall: i wonder what percent of your tax dollars go to pay for the refund checks |
| 11:02.51 | madsen | Damn. I need to run fsck on / on my server and I have to do it via ssh... Any suggestions? |
| 11:02.56 | LinuxHelp | mhall, http://pastebin.com/769633 |
| 11:03.02 | SerajewelKS | madsen: uhm, don't? |
| 11:03.05 | mhall | SerajewelKS: *shudder* not as much as it used to. most people seem to use ACH to get it faster and more reliably |
| 11:03.16 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Well, that won't bring up my server again. |
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| 11:03.22 | mhall | SerajewelKS: the IRC rewards ACH users by cutting the bank draft in a week tops |
| 11:03.23 | SerajewelKS | madsen: you need to 'init 2' and remount / as read-only |
| 11:03.35 | SerajewelKS | madsen: something you'll probably have trouble with over ssh as i *think* it kills sshd |
| 11:03.42 | LinuxHelp | does that pastebin look okay? |
| 11:03.56 | mhall | LinuxHelp: that seems reasonable |
| 11:03.57 | SerajewelKS | mhall: erm, ACH? |
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| 11:04.01 | madsen | SerajewelKS: I know, that's why I asked for alternatives. |
| 11:04.02 | LinuxHelp | . |
| 11:04.16 | SerajewelKS | madsen: drive your ass over there and do it from the keyboard :> |
| 11:04.19 | madsen | SerajewelKS: I don't have any monitor for the server and I can't remount / as ro. |
| 11:04.24 | mhall | SerajewelKS: oh. that's when you send the check electronically using the two numbers on the bottom of your own account's checks |
| 11:04.29 | SerajewelKS | madsen: well actually |
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| 11:04.32 | LinuxHelp | mhall, perhaps its some sort of network protection scheme |
| 11:04.43 | SerajewelKS | mhall: oh right, i know about electronic checks just didn't know that's what ACH meant |
| 11:04.45 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Well, the server's in my closet - it's the monitor that's the problem. |
| 11:04.55 | mhall | SerajewelKS: ach --> automated clearing house |
| 11:04.57 | SerajewelKS | madsen: you could try 'shutdown -F now' |
| 11:05.06 | SerajewelKS | mhall: *nods* |
| 11:05.13 | mhall | SerajewelKS: it's a name given by the federal reserve, hence why it's fucking obscure as fuck |
| 11:05.15 | SerajewelKS | madsen: will reboot the box and force fsck |
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| 11:05.35 | mhall | SerajewelKS: because the federal reserve lives to be obscure |
| 11:05.38 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Yeah, I've thought about that, but then I won't be able to see the questions it asks while running fsck. :( |
| 11:05.56 | SerajewelKS | madsen: no, because it won't ask any questions IIRC, it will fix everything it finds wrong |
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| 11:06.08 | LinuxHelp | mhall, http://pastebin.com/769645 |
| 11:06.16 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Not when it needs to change the filesystem. |
| 11:06.17 | SerajewelKS | madsen: or else if it finds a problem it will dump you to maintenance mode... where you will need a monitor, yes |
| 11:06.26 | madsen | SerajewelKS: exactly |
| 11:06.31 | doublehp_ | Q: let say I have 12 drives, and want to set up RAID.5 with no spare drive; will mdadm accept to use 11+1 for RAID.5 chain ? or has (n-1) to be even or power of 2 ? |
| 11:06.33 | SerajewelKS | madsen: truck a monitor over there i guess |
| 11:06.47 | LinuxHelp | please note that only 10.* is being throttled |
| 11:06.48 | SerajewelKS | madsen: you can try init 2 and remounting / from ssh... and let me know if it works... |
| 11:07.10 | SerajewelKS | mhall: oh sweet, $97 just hit my account |
| 11:07.15 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Well, I'm afraid it won't, but I guess it can't hurt to try. :) |
| 11:07.41 | SerajewelKS | madsen: you know the routine? |
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| 11:08.03 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Yeah - and thanks for the advice so far! :) |
| 11:08.10 | SerajewelKS | madsen: np hope it works |
| 11:08.21 | LinuxHelp | mhall, that second pastebin is okay too? |
| 11:08.22 | mhall | SerajewelKS: well sounds like you're ready to roll. i'm gonna hit the sack. i need to bounce to my rents place tomorrow before they start a jihad |
| 11:08.35 | SerajewelKS | madsen: heh i have a remote maintainence horror story that is completely a result of my stupidity, or carelessness |
| 11:08.45 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Do tell! |
| 11:08.49 | SerajewelKS | mhall: nice, enjoy |
| 11:09.04 | mhall | LinuxHelp: hmm your netmask and broadcast are a bit odd |
| 11:09.06 | SerajewelKS | madsen: did a remote kernel upgrade (was a new revision of the debian package, not a new upstream release) |
| 11:09.13 | mhall | LinuxHelp: is there some specific reason you did it that way |
| 11:09.20 | SerajewelKS | madsen: despite all the warning bells against doing this i went ahead |
| 11:09.27 | LinuxHelp | mhall, no, what would you prefer? |
| 11:09.56 | SerajewelKS | madsen: then did my regular reboot procedure: go to the KDE shut down menu (was using VNC), hold down the reset button... and select "windows" from the list |
| 11:10.07 | mhall | LinuxHelp: i'm thinking maybe it will work best if you use 192.168.0.1-254 with mask 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:10.14 | SerajewelKS | madsen: because the only time i really reboot is to use windows. but i didn't notice what i did and paniced when i couldn't ssh in. |
| 11:10.26 | SerajewelKS | madsen: got back to the room and there it is on the XP welcome screen, just like i told it to. |
| 11:10.28 | mhall | LinuxHelp: believe me i realize it shouldn't matter |
| 11:10.34 | madsen | SerajewelKS: lol! |
| 11:10.45 | LinuxHelp | mhall, er why the 192 all of a sudden? |
| 11:10.45 | mhall | LinuxHelp: and it probably won't matter, but sometimes i've had problems with using other than default values |
| 11:10.49 | madsen | SerajewelKS: But the kernel upgrade went well? |
| 11:11.04 | SerajewelKS | madsen: the kernel upgrade was in fact flawless; after telling XP to reboot it got to kdm without anything out of the ordinary. |
| 11:11.13 | mhall | LinuxHelp: some network hardware is not very intelligent and seems to misbehave if you pick unusual masks that aren't the ordinary class A, B, or C. |
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| 11:11.24 | madsen | SerajewelKS: lol! Well, I'm glad everything worked out well. |
| 11:11.31 | broadcaster | uhmm.... where do i find mkfs.vfat? |
| 11:11.41 | mhall | LinuxHelp: note that 10.x.x.x networks are traditionally class A and should have 255.0.0.0 as mask ideally |
| 11:11.42 | SerajewelKS | madsen: yeah other times it hasn't, like when i mistype 'tar -xf' as 'tar -cf' |
| 11:11.43 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Last time I upgraded the kernel on my server, it stopped recognizing the nic. :( |
| 11:11.53 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Ouch! |
| 11:11.56 | LinuxHelp | mhall, basically it seems that only traffic THROUGH my "gateway" works |
| 11:12.01 | SerajewelKS | madsen: yeah that would suck |
| 11:12.01 | LinuxHelp | but not TO it |
| 11:12.12 | mhall | LinuxHelp: that's why i'm concerned about your netmasks and routing |
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| 11:12.24 | mhall | LinuxHelp: i'd go to the most default, obvious, foolprof config |
| 11:12.33 | mhall | LinuxHelp: then slowly complicate it as you prove it works |
| 11:12.35 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Apart from that, it's been running great there (in my closet) for 3 years. :) |
| 11:12.37 | SerajewelKS | madsen: actually i recovered much of the data (was a backup of ~) by writing a C program to look over a device file for anything that looked like a tar header and throwing them all into a file |
| 11:12.57 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Nice move! |
| 11:13.11 | mhall | LinuxHelp: and fwiw, the most foolproof one there is is 192.168.0.1 with mask 255.255.255.0 and bcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 11:13.12 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Hmm, init 2 does exactly nothing. |
| 11:13.15 | SerajewelKS | madsen: it was a quick hack but it got back most of my stuff. anything that was fragmented on the FS was of course lost for the most part, where the data stops and the garbage begins. |
| 11:13.27 | SerajewelKS | madsen: but things like source files were all there without exception |
| 11:13.29 | mhall | LinuxHelp: believe me i wish i were there to help in person, i could do a lot more for you |
| 11:13.33 | madsen | SerajewelKS: cool! |
| 11:13.37 | SerajewelKS | madsen: hrm, try remounting then? |
| 11:13.44 | SerajewelKS | maybe it's init 1, i can never remember |
| 11:13.47 | mhall | LinuxHelp: but i hope for the love of $DEITY, that my odd rambling gave you at least a few leads |
| 11:13.53 | madsen | SerajewelKS: I did, it refuses. |
| 11:13.55 | SerajewelKS | madsen: though i think init 1 is single-user maintenance mode |
| 11:14.06 | LinuxHelp | mhall, I'm handing out free ssh logins :) |
| 11:14.07 | mhall | LinuxHelp: if not i'm sorry for typing your retinæ to death |
| 11:14.08 | SerajewelKS | madsen: yea you probably need to init 1, which might kill ssh |
| 11:14.23 | SerajewelKS | LinuxHelp: why the fuck would you do that |
| 11:14.23 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Tired 'init S', which (effectively) does the same as 'init 2', i.e. nothing. |
| 11:14.31 | madsen | s/Tired/Tried/ |
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| 11:14.43 | LinuxHelp | SerajewelKS, lol |
| 11:14.43 | SerajewelKS | LinuxHelp: that's a way of saying "hay, spam from my box! rape my connection!" |
| 11:14.54 | mhall | LinuxHelp: i really need sleep. i'm gonna go to bed. it's past 4 am |
| 11:15.03 | LinuxHelp | noo |
| 11:15.03 | n-10 | hi all |
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| 11:15.12 | SerajewelKS | madsen: 'init 1' and if ssh goes down go hit the reset button on the box |
| 11:15.18 | SerajewelKS | madsen: is / ext3? |
| 11:15.30 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Yeah, and yeah. |
| 11:15.54 | LinuxHelp | mhall, hmm, it almost seems to work better with 255.0.0.0 |
| 11:16.03 | SerajewelKS | madsen: ok so it shouldn't do an fsck then if you need to hard boot it |
| 11:16.04 | n-10 | I like debian more than all the other distros I've tried but do you guys think I would be ok for my 233mhz 6mb ram 2GB hdd laptop? |
| 11:16.26 | streuner | no |
| 11:16.29 | SerajewelKS | n-10: if you're not going to use X, it might |
| 11:16.33 | madsen | SerajewelKS: init 1 does nada too. |
| 11:16.37 | n-10 | No i'll use x |
| 11:16.42 | streuner | n-10: 6 Mb RAM is almost nothing |
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| 11:16.44 | SerajewelKS | n-10: then no fucking way |
| 11:16.46 | n-10 | curently I'm running freebsd on it |
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| 11:16.50 | madsen | SerajewelKS: init 1 killed ssh. :( |
| 11:16.56 | n-10 | but I want to move to linux |
| 11:16.57 | SerajewelKS | madsen: yup |
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| 11:17.07 | SerajewelKS | n-10: try LFS or DSL |
| 11:17.12 | n-10 | oh sry |
| 11:17.15 | n-10 | 64mb |
| 11:17.19 | madsen | SerajewelKS: Well, I better see if I can find a monitor. Thanks for the help! :) |
| 11:17.20 | SerajewelKS | n-10: oh haha |
| 11:17.27 | SerajewelKS | n-10: then yeah it should work fine ;) |
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| 11:17.39 | n-10 | ok thanks |
| 11:17.43 | SerajewelKS | n-10: i'd worry more about the HD, 2gb is pretty small to cram much stuff |
| 11:17.44 | madsen | SerajewelKS: (I have to fix it fast - I have an appointment with some beer soon.) |
| 11:17.59 | SerajewelKS | n-10: install only what you need... just the minimal system and specific packages |
| 11:18.08 | SerajewelKS | madsen: truck a monitor to it then |
| 11:18.11 | streuner | n-10: even with 64 MB you will get problems (KDE, GNOME or firefox use plenty of RAM) |
| 11:18.27 | n-10 | only fluxbox and links for me |
| 11:18.38 | streuner | n-10: that's ok then. |
| 11:18.44 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 11:18.50 | Shadowcat | we should have a stats bot in here |
| 11:18.55 | Shadowcat | see who the most active people are |
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| 11:19.05 | streuner | !debstats |
| 11:19.05 | SerajewelKS | fuck, how is konsole using 28 megs of RAM in X server resources |
| 11:19.05 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 11:19.25 | n-10 | does debian have uptodate packages or will I have to make from source to get the latest |
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| 11:19.55 | streuner | n-10: for a start just use sarge/stable and backports (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 11:20.04 | sep | SerajewelKS, http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html |
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| 11:20.58 | SerajewelKS | sep: nono something *is* wrong here, kwin and konsole are highest in top for mem usage, and they have a bunch of shit in X server resources (according to xrestop) |
| 11:21.31 | SerajewelKS | sep: i'm using 480mb/1024mb of RAM (minus caches)! and running only konsole, gaim, firefox, and azureus |
| 11:21.55 | SerajewelKS | sep: usually it's around 80-120 with these programs |
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| 11:22.14 | SerajewelKS | sep: i suspect KDE memory leaks since i played with widget styles and decorations for a good hour |
| 11:22.14 | broadcaster | how can i find out the volume-id of a vfat-partition? |
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| 11:22.46 | Shadowcat | SerajewelKS: so tell the people in #kde |
| 11:23.32 | SerajewelKS | Shadowcat: it was a general observation |
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| 11:25.32 | SerajewelKS | konsole is using 28.5mb in X resources, not in top. so i don't think that article applies. (informative though) |
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| 11:28.14 | redblades | Hello, I just updated apt, and it removed xorg and replaced it with xcommon (or something like that) |
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| 11:28.40 | redblades | IT aslo renderend my fonts a bit shoddily (unless a X reboot is rewuired) |
| 11:28.48 | redblades | Any ideas? |
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| 11:29.09 | formorer | don't use unstable/testing if you don't follow the usual mailinglists :) |
| 11:29.10 | goron | How do I shrink an ext3 filesystem? |
| 11:29.19 | SerajewelKS | redblades: you didn't update apt, you upgraded your system to the latest testing |
| 11:29.27 | Neeesat25 | I have manage to autostart kde on bootup but the keyboard does not work to write Username or Password. |
| 11:29.29 | redblades | Sorry, |
| 11:29.32 | SerajewelKS | redblades: which migrated from X.org 6.9 to X.org 7 |
| 11:29.36 | redblades | that's what I meant |
| 11:29.40 | redblades | Oh |
| 11:29.49 | redblades | but it said it was installing common |
| 11:30.09 | SerajewelKS | redblades: you don't know what common is, do you |
| 11:30.24 | redblades | no idea |
| 11:30.28 | redblades | do share |
| 11:30.30 | SerajewelKS | goron: gparted or somesuch |
| 11:30.42 | SerajewelKS | redblades: it's common libraries that are shared between lots of X things |
| 11:30.47 | redblades | oh |
| 11:30.55 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: It bears mentioning that both firefox and azureus will expand to fill available memory :P |
| 11:31.02 | redblades | so, not the other server? |
| 11:31.11 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: yes, they do |
| 11:31.12 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: What's much more interesting is what happens if you only have 64M of RAM and start firefox: it still consumes 100+ M :) |
| 11:31.22 | SerajewelKS | redblades: no. you are using X.org |
| 11:31.32 | redblades | not \the one with licencing issues |
| 11:31.51 | redblades | thanks |
| 11:31.56 | redblades | I'm using KDE |
| 11:32.11 | SerajewelKS | redblades: ok |
| 11:32.25 | redblades | It's taking a bit of re-adjusting |
| 11:32.30 | redblades | I like it though |
| 11:32.40 | redblades | what do you use? |
| 11:32.50 | SerajewelKS | redblades: KDE |
| 11:33.14 | Neeesat25 | SerajewelKS: I have remove my startup script and after kdm installation kde can autostart and probs for Username and Password but my keyboard does not work anymore |
| 11:33.29 | SerajewelKS | !drxx Neeesat25 |
| 11:33.29 | dpkg | Neeesat25: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:33.43 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: run that and reconfigure the keyboard and mouse. it should auto-detect them. |
| 11:34.54 | goron | Can I unmount /tmp while being in gparted? Or will that crash e.g. KDE? |
| 11:35.06 | SerajewelKS | goron: why would you need to |
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| 11:36.26 | goron | SerajewelKS: I want to resize /tmp because I allocated way too much space for it in my LVM setup. |
| 11:36.53 | SerajewelKS | goron: yeah you'll need to umount it, and it will likely confuse a lot of apps. if the kernel lets you do it at all, which it won't. |
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| 11:37.28 | redblades | SerajewelKS: About the text thing... will it go back to normal afetr an X restart? |
| 11:37.43 | SerajewelKS | redblades: you upgraded X without restarting it? |
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| 11:38.20 | redblades | SerajewelKS, yeah, is that an issue? |
| 11:38.35 | SerajewelKS | redblades: well it would probably be a good idea to restart it... |
| 11:38.41 | SerajewelKS | redblades: which driver are you using for video |
| 11:39.07 | Bombo | hi, i downloaded debian-31r2-ia64-netinst.iso, burned it, and rebooted my new intel 940 (DC, 64 bit) machine, but the bios complains: it is not bootable. same for the i386 version of the netinst iso... the knoppix cd boots though... |
| 11:39.12 | redblades | Wait, I'm obviously going to, but It's downloading some stuff, it can wait, right? |
| 11:39.28 | SerajewelKS | redblades: probably but things might break |
| 11:39.48 | driller- | why debian doesnt support the 1280x800 or my laptop and it only supports 1024x768 ? |
| 11:39.48 | goron | SerajewelKS: I chose LVM just to be able to do these things simple.... and now you tell me that's impossible? |
| 11:39.56 | driller- | or=of |
| 11:39.58 | redblades | also, if I just install the very base Debian system (without X, or a DE) |
| 11:40.14 | redblades | Round abouts how big is the new installation? |
| 11:40.15 | goron | Bombo: Most likely you makde a mistake. |
| 11:40.42 | SerajewelKS | redblades: probably under 1g, not sure exactly |
| 11:40.54 | redblades | I'm planing to set up a computer from some old parts and have my server running seperately |
| 11:40.57 | redblades | 1g? |
| 11:40.58 | SerajewelKS | goron: well the LVM has no problems resizing the raw partition |
| 11:40.58 | redblades | cool |
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| 11:41.11 | Tenkawa | hey any of you Dell Poweredge Linux users? |
| 11:41.18 | SerajewelKS | goron: but you need to resize the filesystem too, and there's really no way to resize that while the kernel has it mounted |
| 11:41.21 | goron | SerajewelKS: the "raw" partition? |
| 11:41.24 | Bombo | goron: i burned the netinst.iso the same way as knoppix.iso, with nero (win) |
| 11:41.25 | SerajewelKS | goron: right |
| 11:41.30 | SerajewelKS | goron: not the filesystem |
| 11:41.31 | redblades | I'm thinking I'll have about 16G exclusively for the server |
| 11:41.47 | redblades | oh, and I'm having issues with Firefox |
| 11:41.49 | SerajewelKS | goron: certain filesystem can be grown without unmounting, but none that i know of can be shrunk |
| 11:41.51 | driller- | why debian doesnt support the 1280x800 of my laptop and it only supports 1024x768 ? |
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| 11:42.08 | SerajewelKS | !drxx driller- |
| 11:42.09 | dpkg | driller-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:42.14 | goron | Bombo: If you are really really sure about that, then you could try again. It's unlikely that a release iso doesn't work. |
| 11:42.33 | redblades | I want to use it in KDE, but it's not in the Kicker "K" List, and when I added it, it had no icon |
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| 11:43.12 | SerajewelKS | redblades: it should be in the K menu under "Internet" |
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| 11:43.24 | redblades | I'd rather use Konquerer as just a file manager |
| 11:43.27 | lerelele | hi! My computer loads automatically a module and i don't want it to do this. I heard about a blacklist or something similar. Can anyone help me?= |
| 11:43.46 | redblades | SerajewelKS: It isn't (it is, but I had to add it, and it has no icon) |
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| 11:44.12 | driller- | SerajewelKS which means ? |
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| 11:45.48 | SerajewelKS | driller-: run that and select the resolutions you want? |
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| 11:46.19 | SerajewelKS | redblades: restart X and it might be there. a lot of stuff will be broken until then. |
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| 11:46.35 | SerajewelKS | lerelele: which module |
| 11:46.42 | intero | i have a bluetooth headphone. do you believe it is possible to have it working with linux? |
| 11:46.54 | driller- | SerajewelKS to run xf86config ? |
| 11:47.07 | redblades | SerajewelKS , this happened before the update |
| 11:47.08 | SerajewelKS | driller-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 11:47.17 | driller- | but what if the resolution is not suported by my hardware |
| 11:47.18 | driller- | ? |
| 11:47.22 | SerajewelKS | redblades: *shrug* it works for me |
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| 11:47.32 | SerajewelKS | driller-: then, surprise, you can't use that resolution |
| 11:47.33 | redblades | that's helpful |
| 11:47.43 | redblades | SerajewelKS: Where do you live? |
| 11:47.51 | SerajewelKS | redblades: america |
| 11:47.51 | redblades | tell me and I'll trade computers |
| 11:47.54 | driller- | SerajewelKS how can I see if it supports it ? |
| 11:47.56 | redblades | : p |
| 11:48.07 | redblades | BitchX is awesome |
| 11:48.19 | redblades | I'm still getting used to it, but I love it |
| 11:48.24 | SerajewelKS | redblades: i will help you if i can. but i do not owe you any assistance so don't act like i do. |
| 11:48.41 | SerajewelKS | driller-: which GPU do you have |
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| 11:48.59 | redblades | SerajewelKS: I'm kidding, I know you don't owe me anything |
| 11:48.59 | driller- | nvidia 6200 for laptop |
| 11:49.02 | RolandU | hi all! is there a way to get a list of all connected usb-devices (like lsusb) together with the /dev/sd* they got assigned? |
| 11:49.06 | SerajewelKS | redblades: ok |
| 11:49.20 | redblades | smile? |
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| 11:49.33 | redblades | just to show that you aren't angry? |
| 11:49.36 | SerajewelKS | driller-: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and select "nv" as your video driver |
| 11:49.45 | xored | i have a linux box and when i try to send an email, he asks me if i want to accept the certificate, which run out of date. How / where to find this certificate to actualize it. Its serverside or ? |
| 11:49.50 | SerajewelKS | redblades: nah not angry just pretty tired at the moment |
| 11:50.13 | redblades | driller- , you can get a proper NVidia (3d support) driver form the NVidia site |
| 11:50.25 | SerajewelKS | redblades: no, debian has nonfree packages for that |
| 11:50.46 | driller- | SerajewelKS dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will bring up a terminal or a gui ? |
| 11:50.46 | SerajewelKS | xored: you're using SSL or TLS for SMTP then, right? |
| 11:50.50 | redblades | SerajewelKS , I just checked my updates, and Firefox is being updated |
| 11:50.59 | SerajewelKS | driller-: run it in a shell, it will be a text UI |
| 11:51.03 | goron | SerajewelKS: So, if I just run parted from a terminal with X disabled, and resize the fs, read the manual on LVM resizing again, it should work? |
| 11:51.08 | SerajewelKS | redblades: which version do you have now |
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| 11:51.15 | redblades | SerajewelKS: I was told that they aren't as good as the official ones |
| 11:51.19 | ukasz | hi |
| 11:51.22 | SerajewelKS | goron: hopefully, yeah |
| 11:51.34 | xored | SerajewelKS: how to find that out, i think its TLS, but iam not sure, it was preconfigured |
| 11:51.37 | SerajewelKS | redblades: not the free nv driver no, but debian packages nvidia's drivers in a nonfree package |
| 11:51.40 | redblades | I like OpenSource, but I must make allowances. |
| 11:51.40 | ukasz | i am looking for some how to about radius and pppoe |
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| 11:52.00 | SerajewelKS | redblades: because the nvidia.com linux installer will fuck over your installation. the package does it right for debian. |
| 11:52.21 | ukasz | i have heard that mschap v2 is most secure method of authorisation |
| 11:52.28 | SerajewelKS | xored: probably TLS then. just checking. so yeah, it is basically using SSL and your email provider hasn't bothered to renew it. |
| 11:52.43 | redblades | okay, with 3d support? What is it? (I downloaded from their site, but I have not installed it yet ( I have used the driver, but on another box |
| 11:52.43 | driller- | SerajewelKS I after 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and select "nv" as your video driver what do i do ? |
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| 11:52.48 | ukasz | do you have some links to radius + pppoe |
| 11:53.01 | SerajewelKS | driller-: follow the rest of the prompts... |
| 11:53.09 | xored | SerajewelKS: iam myself the provider :) |
| 11:53.14 | SerajewelKS | driller-: at some point you should be able to select the resolutions you want to enable |
| 11:53.19 | xored | SerajewelKS: its my server, and i would liketo update it |
| 11:53.23 | SerajewelKS | xored: so renew your ssl certificate =P |
| 11:53.23 | driller- | SerajewelKS is till work for mepis this ? |
| 11:53.26 | SerajewelKS | xored: hrm well |
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| 11:53.53 | SerajewelKS | xored: there is a one-liner to do that, but i can't recall it. and you need to know where your certificate is stored on the server. |
| 11:54.00 | SerajewelKS | driller-: what? |
| 11:54.14 | xored | SerajewelKS: its TLS in any way |
| 11:54.29 | driller- | SerajewelKS this procedure will work in mepis ? |
| 11:54.41 | Shadowcat | !mepis |
| 11:54.42 | dpkg | from memory, mepis is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system that uses KDE and includes NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. See http://www.mepis.org and/or visit #mepis and ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 11:54.55 | xored | somebody knows how to update the TLS certificate server side ? |
| 11:55.02 | SerajewelKS | driller-: i don't see why not. have you tried it? tell you what, try it now and ask if you actually run into problems, not just problems you create by worrying, okay? |
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| 11:55.47 | ukasz | do you know how to set up pppoe + radius |
| 11:55.48 | ukasz | ? |
| 11:56.02 | redblades | Is VMWare available from apt? |
| 11:56.15 | driller- | ok |
| 11:56.15 | SerajewelKS | redblades: VMware is a commercial product, you have to buy it |
| 11:56.21 | driller- | kda sucks by the way |
| 11:56.35 | driller- | I thought it was configurable but its not as I wanted to |
| 11:56.47 | SerajewelKS | driller-: so make it better instead of whining about it |
| 11:56.50 | redblades | SerajewelKS, nope they released a Free "non-free" version |
| 11:56.59 | SerajewelKS | redblades: oh, you mean vmware player? |
| 11:57.10 | redblades | Hm? O hyeah |
| 11:57.20 | SerajewelKS | redblades: no, it's not. probably won't be either. |
| 11:57.32 | SerajewelKS | redblades: i doubt vmware allows redistribution in modified form. |
| 11:57.33 | redblades | Wait, no, the VMWare Server |
| 11:57.40 | SerajewelKS | redblades: the server is not free |
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| 11:58.00 | redblades | Are you talking about the virtualisation server? |
| 11:58.17 | SerajewelKS | redblades: afaik the only free-beer product they offer is player |
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| 12:00.05 | redblades | SerajewelKS: http://www.vmware.com/download/ |
| 12:00.31 | SerajewelKS | redblades: regardless the only thing of vmware packaged in debian is the vmware X driver |
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| 12:01.05 | astronut | why does dosfsck go through the steps then say "Leaving Filesystem unchanged"? |
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| 12:02.26 | astronut | nm, found it in manpage |
| 12:02.46 | xored | SerajewelKS: i found hte keys, found the postix cfg, but how to create new keys ? |
| 12:03.07 | broadcaster | can anybody tell me how to determine the volume id (xxxx-xxxx) of a vfat partition with linux? i don't want to boot windblows. i'd rather go through 500 google results... |
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| 12:04.52 | SerajewelKS | xored: i don't recall but there are tutorials on google |
| 12:05.08 | broadcaster | ha, found it: blkid /dev/hda1 - feed this into your dpkg bot |
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| 12:07.07 | driller- | what does wmware do |
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| 12:07.34 | broadcaster | now, how do i tell mkfs.vfat to use that id? man mkfs.vfat sais, it mus be a 32-bit hex number, but the id is 8 characters long... |
| 12:07.40 | blondie | driller-: lets you create virtual computers |
| 12:07.54 | SerajewelKS | driller-: there's this cool thing called google, see... |
| 12:08.04 | broadcaster | ah, got it |
| 12:08.06 | broadcaster | :-) |
| 12:08.14 | broadcaster | i like to talk to myself in #debian. |
| 12:08.19 | driller- | SerajewelKS you think google is all the net ? |
| 12:08.39 | SerajewelKS | driller-: enough to answer most questions, and almost every "what is ..." question. |
| 12:08.50 | SerajewelKS | driller-: before you ask, check (a) google, and (b) wikipedia. |
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| 12:09.03 | blondie | driller-: don't put a space before question marks |
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| 12:10.24 | SerajewelKS | wow, this release of amarok is a lot better... CPU usage is down and track changes are actually gapless |
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| 12:11.06 | driller- | blondie fack you |
| 12:11.22 | blondie | what does "fack" mean? |
| 12:11.34 | azeem | blondie: please don't tell people how to write |
| 12:11.47 | driller- | thanks azeem :) |
| 12:11.47 | azeem | it's totally fine to put spaces before question marks in several countries |
| 12:11.56 | blondie | but not when writing English |
| 12:12.27 | azeem | blondie: yes, when writing english as well |
| 12:12.38 | blondie | no, not when writing English! |
| 12:12.38 | dimir | blondie: stop being a smart ass, act like blond now! |
| 12:13.00 | azeem | blondie: in any case, you could append "please" to your requests |
| 12:13.08 | driller- | rofl dimir |
| 12:13.29 | dimir | :-D |
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| 12:15.58 | weary | hi.. when doing "apt-get upgrade", is there an easy way to get the changes of the updated packages? |
| 12:16.49 | SerajewelKS | weary: some combination of awk and wget probably |
| 12:17.06 | azeem | weary: apt-listchanges maybe |
| 12:17.11 | uwe_ | weary, the change log of the packages?! |
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| 12:17.46 | weary | uwe_: it's not a trivial thing, no :) |
| 12:18.12 | uwe_ | just a suggestion :) |
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| 12:25.37 | stoned | I'm off to work |
| 12:25.40 | redblades | How do I check my hardware stats? i.e. Sound card, video card, etc etc |
| 12:25.48 | redblades | stoned, seeya |
| 12:25.54 | stoned | hwinfo, lscpi |
| 12:25.56 | stoned | etc. |
| 12:25.58 | stoned | bye |
| 12:26.13 | peppet | lshw |
| 12:26.56 | weary | tnx |
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| 12:33.04 | redblades | Does anyone here have a Gmail account? |
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| 12:33.14 | ServerCrash | is there anyway to fill up pdfforms in linux ? or to create fdf for a given pdf form |
| 12:33.22 | redblades | If so, is it working at the moment |
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| 12:33.42 | DerJamster | redblades: one sec.. |
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| 12:34.11 | redblades | ServerCrash: I'm fairly certain the Adobe Acrobat for Linux has that ability (closed osurce though) |
| 12:34.25 | redblades | DerJamster: Okay |
| 12:34.44 | DerJamster | redblades: yeah, seems to work okay. Yesterday gmail was kind of laggy |
| 12:34.51 | redblades | laggy? |
| 12:35.16 | redblades | more like google was down for 10 minutes, gmail was non-existant |
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| 12:35.45 | redblades | DerJamster: Gmail just opened, took a long time though |
| 12:36.02 | redblades | Although... I am downloading some big stuff |
| 12:36.09 | redblades | could be slowing it down |
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| 12:39.02 | magyar | can courier-authdaemond authenticate against /etc/passwd? |
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| 12:39.37 | detox | I just did a "work-around" install on my laptop since my cdrom is broke by using floppy boot and net isntall, however, it gave me kernel 2.4.27-2 would like to get latest kerne, in order to do that and do full dist upgrade, can I do apt-get -t testing update & distupgrade?/ |
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| 12:40.34 | sep | magyar, yes, but its often more sane to read /etc/shadow or use pam |
| 12:41.26 | magyar | sep, i keep geting auth failed in my logs |
| 12:41.59 | redblades | Umm... g++ is a c++ compiler, but can you use gcc? I was told that you can... |
| 12:42.20 | blondie | gcc is a C compiler |
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| 12:42.25 | magyar | sep: authmodulelist="authpam" |
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| 12:43.09 | redblades | I know. That's what I thought |
| 12:43.30 | magyar | sep: it authenticates on the pop side but not on smtp |
| 12:43.31 | jsn | I'd like to be able to quickly translate spanish words into english. Is there something in debian? |
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| 12:43.51 | jsn | or, similarly, get their english definitions |
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| 12:43.55 | Taupinette | bonjour les debian |
| 12:44.01 | redblades | jsn Google Language tools |
| 12:44.11 | redblades | bonjour |
| 12:44.12 | jsn | redblades, a web app seems overkill |
| 12:44.13 | redblades | !fr |
| 12:44.14 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:44.32 | redblades | jsn, it's not |
| 12:44.38 | redblades | I use it all the time |
| 12:44.42 | redblades | very useful |
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| 12:45.00 | Taupinette | ho ! sorry |
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| 12:45.11 | jsn | well, i'll give it a shot, but I still think it is the wrong solution |
| 12:45.14 | sep | magyar, i'v never used the smtp part of courier. |
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| 12:45.30 | redblades | jsn, that's okay you can always not use it |
| 12:45.33 | redblades | : p |
| 12:46.12 | artax | hi, i am new to debian and am having a problem (not sure where to look) i have 3 IP's bound to my eth0, if i ping the ip's from the box i get a response, if i ping from outside i get nothing -- i want to setup bind to work on the other 2 ips for ns1, ns2 but i cannot get the server to respond on any IP but the main one. |
| 12:46.49 | jsn | redblades, I can't even seem to find it. |
| 12:47.06 | Arafangion | Where is Pine? |
| 12:47.09 | Arafangion | I can't find it in apt. |
| 12:47.11 | magyar | sep: k |
| 12:47.18 | redblades | jsn |
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| 12:47.35 | jsn | Arafangion, Pine was never free |
| 12:47.37 | redblades | where are you? jsn |
| 12:47.48 | Arafangion | Ok. |
| 12:47.49 | sep | artax, are the 3 ip's in the same subnet ? with the same default gw? |
| 12:47.49 | jsn | redblades, Lebanon.... a city in New Hampshire |
| 12:47.55 | redblades | awesome |
| 12:47.59 | artax | sep: yes |
| 12:48.01 | sep | artax, do you have iptable rules in place ? |
| 12:48.05 | redblades | go to google lebanon |
| 12:48.22 | sep | artax, verify you only add gateway once and not 3 times |
| 12:48.26 | redblades | and look next to the search bar |
| 12:48.31 | artax | sep: i addded 3 times |
| 12:48.38 | jsn | ok, ok |
| 12:48.40 | jsn | thanks |
| 12:48.43 | redblades | np |
| 12:48.53 | sep | artax, fix that first then |
| 12:49.00 | detox | I just installed debian sarge, will I benefit by upgrading to newest kernel? |
| 12:49.01 | artax | doing now |
| 12:49.28 | sep | detox, security upgrades are allwasy beneficial |
| 12:49.34 | redblades | detox |
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| 12:49.39 | jsn | Do you know how to type n with a ~ over it? |
| 12:49.45 | redblades | yeah, what he said |
| 12:49.50 | redblades | just a tic |
| 12:50.14 | artax | sep: what is: pre-up modprobe -v 8139too || true |
| 12:50.15 | peppet | jsn: right alt+n |
| 12:50.46 | sep | artax, how the heck should we know what you put in your interfaces file ? but it's try to load this kernel module before upping the interface |
| 12:50.54 | jsn | peppet, I don't have a right alt, this is a powerbook (yes, running debian) |
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| 12:51.18 | artax | sep: i didnt put it there, it was there from innstall |
| 12:51.27 | sep | artax, then you are in the wrong channel probably |
| 12:51.27 | doublehp_ | is it possible to map a standard file to any /dev/loop with a single root command ? for example if /tmp/file is a raw image of a disk or a partition and I want it acecssible via a device file instead of standard file (dont ask me why) |
| 12:51.35 | detox | ok then can I use synaptic to upgrade kernel? |
| 12:51.49 | liable | yes |
| 12:51.50 | jsn | doublehp_, yes, man mount |
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| 12:52.15 | redblades | jsn, it is called an enye (the n + the ~) It is never apart from the n |
| 12:52.30 | jsn | redblades, I know that part :) I just never wanted to type one before. |
| 12:52.46 | redblades | Anyway, Right alt plus n is n |
| 12:53.02 | jsn | Like I told peppet, redblades, I have only one Alt |
| 12:53.09 | jsn | on the left |
| 12:53.11 | redblades | I know |
| 12:53.21 | redblades | I'm saying it doesn't work anyway |
| 12:53.29 | redblades | Right alt plus n is n |
| 12:53.36 | redblades | It just gives you an "n" |
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| 12:53.42 | jsn | oh, ok :) |
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| 12:54.09 | doublehp_ | jsn: mount always takes a directory as argument ... thats is not what i asked for. |
| 12:54.17 | jsn | doublehp_, it might look something like... mount -tiso9660 -o loop yourImage /dir |
| 12:54.53 | doublehp_ | jsn: I dont want to mount a raw image, but to map it to loop dev :) |
| 12:54.56 | jsn | well, how could the thing needing to access it possibly know whether /my/thing was a dir or a file, as long as you can read from it right |
| 12:55.09 | jsn | that is what -o loop is for, i thought |
| 12:55.32 | doublehp_ | jsn: I know what is -o loop, and it NOT what I need today |
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| 12:55.37 | jsn | okee doke |
| 12:55.53 | doublehp_ | jsn: -o loop does mount a raw image to a dir, but I want to *map* |
| 12:55.54 | sussudio | !penixstrike Penix |
| 12:55.55 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 12:56.08 | jsn | eww |
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| 12:56.17 | sep | doublehp_, man losetup |
| 12:56.25 | azeem | sussudio: thank you for your contribution |
| 12:56.29 | liable | hehe |
| 12:56.31 | jsn | I can just copy and paste the enye |
| 12:56.33 | magyar | i use sasl for smtpauth, but my login atempts fail with "SASL LOGIN authentication failed" |
| 12:56.38 | sussudio | azeem: it's all in a day's work for bicycle repairman. |
| 12:56.42 | Penix | !sing sussudio |
| 12:56.45 | doublehp_ | sep: sounds better :) |
| 12:56.46 | liable | havent seen that one before :) |
| 12:56.55 | sep | doublehp_, your welcome |
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| 12:57.02 | Penix | bow to my glorious xgl+twinview configuration |
| 12:57.20 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 12:57.40 | sussudio | i removed every trace of X on Piggy's box. |
| 12:57.46 | snarf | Penix, screenshot :P |
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| 12:57.50 | Penix | you would |
| 12:57.56 | slg_ | hello all |
| 12:57.59 | Penix | snarf: nowhere to stick it |
| 12:58.09 | redblades | !orangestrike orange |
| 12:58.27 | redblades | odd |
| 12:58.35 | sussudio | there's no orange in here. |
| 12:58.38 | azeem | redblades: please /msg the bot |
| 12:58.45 | redblades | oh right |
| 12:58.48 | redblades | sorry |
| 12:59.00 | slg_ | someone know "if exists" a program that scans hardware and creates a config for kernel compilation? |
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| 12:59.28 | blondie | hi abrotman |
| 12:59.41 | abrotman | hi |
| 12:59.54 | doublehp_ | sep: why would I get "ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: No such device" ? |
| 13:00.15 | sep | doublehp_, perhaps you havent mknod the loop node your trying to use yet ? |
| 13:00.17 | snarf | can't seem to find any impressive screenshots of xgl. |
| 13:00.18 | jsn | slg_, I don't know of one, but if there was, it would probably be based on the software to scan hardware, "discover" |
| 13:00.37 | liable | snarf: theres a cool avi, sec i see if i got the link |
| 13:00.51 | Penix | yeah, it's something you really need to see in a video |
| 13:01.01 | sep | doublehp_, or loaded the module |
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| 13:01.27 | liable | snarf: http://people.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi thats a bit old now, dunno if its gotten better |
| 13:01.37 | doublehp_ | sep: no ... I created device file for loop0 with wrong major:minor (took 9:0 that is for rd0 in fact ) |
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| 13:01.51 | doublehp_ | sep: loop0 is 7:0 |
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| 13:02.34 | slg_ | <jsn> just wondering, i have managed to compile kernel but i always get errors at startup like "modules abc already loaded" ect.. system runs stable but i want to compile a perfect kernel :) |
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| 13:03.14 | Penix | I've got two 17"s at 1152x864 & 1024x768, but the compiz cube is all the same size when I rotate it. mmmmm :) |
| 13:03.33 | liable | slg_: those errors are prolly from hotplug loading first and then discover trying, or vice versa, and also anything in /etc/modules |
| 13:03.54 | liable | Penix: hard to get working? |
| 13:03.54 | snarf | liable thanks |
| 13:04.33 | Penix | liable: not really. had to install some xgl/compiz packages that were built with xinerama and twinview in mind |
| 13:04.46 | Penix | this is on an icky ubuntu box though |
| 13:04.48 | abrotman | !penixsmite Penix |
| 13:04.50 | jsn | slg_, I always want to, also. But now the stock debian kernel is working well with my hardware (this machine was new once) so I don't think about it anymore. |
| 13:04.51 | abrotman | :( |
| 13:05.12 | liable | !listkeys penix |
| 13:05.13 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'penix' by key (15 of 24): #debian penix ;; CMD: penixcancer (.*?) ;; CMD: penixsnack (.*?) ;; CMD: penixspit (.*?) ;; CMD: penixstrike (.*?) ;; be penix barbie ;; make penix cry ;; penix butter ;; penixconnect ;; penixmep ;; penixmouse ;; penixtell ;; scare penix ;; squeeze penix ;; start a penix war. |
| 13:05.27 | Penix | heh. still there |
| 13:05.28 | liable | wow, thats a lotta penix factoids.. |
| 13:05.45 | Penix | I must hold some sort of record |
| 13:05.51 | liable | heh |
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| 13:06.11 | Penix | abrotman's just jealous |
| 13:06.20 | abrotman | it didn't work! |
| 13:06.26 | abrotman | oph .. penixstrike! |
| 13:06.31 | abrotman | !penixstrike Penix |
| 13:06.32 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 13:06.50 | abrotman | i don't have that many ... |
| 13:06.52 | abrotman | !listkeys abrotman |
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| 13:06.54 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'abrotman' by key (12): _default sing abrotman ;; sing abrotman ;; abrotman,my graphics card ;; abrotman ;; #debian methinks that abrotman ;; abrotmansmite ;; _default abrotman ;; _default methinks that abrotman ;; #debian sing abrotman ;; methinks that abrotman ;; _default abrotmansmite ;; #debian abrotman. |
| 13:06.59 | azeem | sussudio did penixstrike 10 minutes ago |
| 13:07.02 | azeem | !repeat abrotman |
| 13:07.27 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:07.31 | abrotman | sorry .. wasn't here! |
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| 13:07.57 | lairen | 大家好 |
| 13:08.07 | azeem | lairen: please write in english |
| 13:08.18 | liable | lairen: wrong charset or something :) |
| 13:08.34 | liable | !be a penix barbie |
| 13:08.34 | dpkg | Aww, penix is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 13:08.36 | lairen | isn't this debian-zh? |
| 13:08.42 | abrotman | no .. not even close |
| 13:08.48 | liable | nope, plain old #debian |
| 13:08.48 | Penix | must just rotate my sexy desktop cube for a second while I try desperately to read the text |
| 13:09.09 | lairen | shit, miss the -zh in typing. |
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| 13:10.04 | slg_ | <jsn> http://linuxforen.de/forums/showthread.php?t=161878 looks quite helpfull |
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| 13:10.57 | liable | i wish i had a card that could even come close to supporting xgl, just to try it s&g |
| 13:11.14 | slg_ | opps! its in german |
| 13:11.29 | slg_ | helpfull if u understand german |
| 13:11.33 | azeem | liable: AIGLX is so much less crack |
| 13:11.37 | azeem | and it's in 7.1 |
| 13:12.15 | Penix | much less nvidia whorage involved |
| 13:12.48 | liable | azeem: does it do the same sort of thing as xgl? |
| 13:12.55 | azeem | generally, yes |
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| 13:13.03 | azeem | as in, put GL into X |
| 13:13.07 | liable | any videos of it in action? |
| 13:13.09 | azeem | the effects are slightly different |
| 13:13.20 | azeem | but I guess people will start hacking on them soon enough |
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| 13:15.51 | adggg | I have a strange situation with grub bootloader |
| 13:16.05 | adggg | it give me a grub command line |
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| 13:16.27 | adggg | from this command line I CAN start debian |
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| 13:16.51 | adggg | I just add the lines from Grub menu.lst one by one and it works |
| 13:17.03 | adggg | so what is wrong with grub??? |
| 13:17.41 | adggg | check out the first few lines here: http://pastebin.com/769749 |
| 13:18.42 | iiiears | Good morning! I moved a file to /dev/null and now each time i open a user level terminal it is filled permission denied /dev/null - Why is that? |
| 13:19.11 | azeem | adggg: hrm, you have a second boot in /boot? |
| 13:20.05 | iiiears | adogg: Yes, you likely have it. - moved bootmisc.sh to /dev/null |
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| 13:20.33 | iiiears | lol Okay i moved an unused backup to /dev/null |
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| 13:21.11 | iiiears | delete the bootmisc.sh~ and things will get better? |
| 13:21.14 | adggg | azeem: not sure what you mean? |
| 13:21.25 | adggg | iiiears: you are talking to me? |
| 13:21.53 | iiiears | adogg - anyone that will listen to a neophyte. - grin |
| 13:22.20 | adggg | iiiears: it would be the blind and handicapped leading the blind in our case.... |
| 13:22.24 | signuts | How does one change what starts and stops on debian? |
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| 13:22.56 | iiiears | adogg - Thank You. (This is one of those truly embarassing linux moments i am certain to remember forever isn't it?) |
| 13:23.13 | signuts | do I simply remove the symlinks in /etc/rc[0-9].d |
| 13:23.15 | adggg | azeem: all I know is that if I repeat lines 2,3 and 4 from http://pastebin.com/769749 and then add boot |
| 13:23.24 | adggg | debian will boot! |
| 13:23.25 | bvs | signuts, check update-rc.d |
| 13:23.33 | signuts | bvs aye |
| 13:23.34 | adggg | so where is the mistake in my grub? |
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| 13:24.00 | iiiears | Ah wait - I still haven't tried rm -f - brb |
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| 13:24.57 | azeem | adggg: sorry, I don't know |
| 13:25.12 | azeem | adggg: I suggest figuring out how to recreate menu.lst properly from scratch |
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| 13:25.52 | adggg | azeem: I am up to my eyeballs in GURB menu.lst, it's all chinese to me now |
| 13:26.06 | DerJamster | Hookay..weird problem. The crontab for one of my users just won't run. Set with crontab -e, set to */1 * * * * for test reasons, and the script it's supposed to run is set 700. However, /var/log/syslog doesn't even show the cron trying to run it. |
| 13:26.11 | azeem | adggg: usually, you do not have to edit menu.lst, ever |
| 13:26.27 | DerJamster | It runs the crontabs of the other users |
| 13:26.32 | goron | In parted when I do "print" I see that I have among a few other partitions, one large partition which is labeled lvm. I have a couple of volumes defined on this physical volume. How can I shrink one of these volumes? |
| 13:26.44 | adggg | azeem: I do because I am a helpless newbie who has to regularly reinstall windows XP |
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| 13:27.00 | adggg | I have ntbootloader invoking grub |
| 13:27.10 | adggg | and it is almost working |
| 13:27.11 | fresch_ | azeem, why not =) |
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| 13:27.57 | liable | adggg: do you have savedefault and boot lines after those three you pasted? |
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| 13:28.11 | peppet | DerJamster: is it debian? |
| 13:28.16 | adggg | liable: not sure what you mean |
| 13:28.29 | azeem | adggg: if you reinstall XP, just boot from a LiveCD, mount/chroot to your partition and rerun grub-install |
| 13:28.32 | abrotman | mhall: ping |
| 13:28.35 | azeem | no need to modify menu.lst |
| 13:29.10 | DerJamster | peppet: yeah |
| 13:29.10 | adggg | azeem: I'm not doing that because I want to use the NTbootloader to invoke grub |
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| 13:29.22 | adggg | in case I need to reinstall XP again |
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| 13:29.33 | adggg | NTbootloader will keep MBR |
| 13:29.59 | magyar | anyone using sasl, is it working with authdaemon? |
| 13:30.01 | adggg | liable: will check on what you mean by save default and boot |
| 13:30.03 | Maquiavelo | Hey guys, I have one domain in my server (not planning to add anymore), and I need to add several virtual users to it and give them like 10 megabytes of space. I'm using Sarge. Any recommendations? I don't have a MTA or POP/IMAP installed yet |
| 13:30.15 | goron | Parted doesn't give me much confidence, since it crashed and says I need to send a bugreport.... |
| 13:30.44 | Maquiavelo | What's the easiest to configure? Exim with Courier? postfix with cyrus? |
| 13:30.44 | DerJamster | peppet: Just tried the exact same script with another user. Works fine every minute using cron. |
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| 13:31.26 | liable | adggg: under the three lines you have, have another two, one word per line, savedefault and boot |
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| 13:32.21 | peppet | DerJamster: no cron.allow or cron.deny? |
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| 13:32.46 | DerJamster | peppet: the user's in cron.allow (else I'd not have been able to do the crontab -e). No cron.deny |
| 13:32.49 | adggg | liable: like this > http://pastebin.com/769928 |
| 13:32.51 | adggg | ??? |
| 13:33.50 | liable | yes |
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| 13:34.11 | liable | grr, cdrecord is going defunct on me |
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| 13:34.42 | ChrisW | how'd I add a user that I don't want to have a shell? it's just for running an application... |
| 13:35.11 | Rothgar | google adding a user with noshell? |
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| 13:35.19 | ChrisW | thanks :-) |
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| 13:35.35 | fireba11 | ChrisW adduser --help ^^ |
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| 13:36.24 | adggg | liable: still no dice, same problem |
| 13:36.29 | fireba11 | ChrisW adduser --disabled-login user that would be .. |
| 13:36.39 | ChrisW | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:37.24 | signuts | i'm rebuilding my kernel with debians make-kpkg utility, does this utility automaitcally configure my kernel? |
| 13:37.34 | mzilikazi | anyone know of a repo for cinelerra? apt-get.org doesn't, can't get the source to build, #cinelerra is dead |
| 13:37.35 | azeem | signuts: no |
| 13:38.09 | DerJamster | mzilikazi: um..I had one. one sec. |
| 13:38.12 | signuts | azeem, ahh, tha'ts what I was wondering |
| 13:38.20 | azeem | it drops you into make config I think |
| 13:38.24 | signuts | azeem, the manual didn't explicity say either way |
| 13:38.44 | azeem | it might be wise to pass it a reasonable .config file so you don't have to configure everything |
| 13:38.50 | signuts | azeem, it didn't for me, maybe i'll just try to boot it and see what happens |
| 13:38.57 | signuts | azeem, yeah |
| 13:39.05 | azeem | signuts: but I don't know much about kernel-package, I might be wrong |
| 13:39.35 | DerJamster | mzilikazi: ah..only for sid. |
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| 13:39.47 | mzilikazi | DerJamster: well that's my flavor :) |
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| 13:39.56 | signuts | azeem, I didn't read the bullets, they say to run make config |
| 13:40.01 | signuts | =) |
| 13:40.24 | DerJamster | mzilikazi: deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/ ./ |
| 13:40.29 | DerJamster | mzilikazi: found with apt-get.org :P |
| 13:40.41 | DerJamster | sure you didn't typo and made it cinerella? ;) |
| 13:40.46 | mzilikazi | hmmm perhaps i'm in idiot mode today |
| 13:41.17 | DerJamster | Sounds like my cron ;P |
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| 13:42.14 | sirius_kr | I got a Creative ZG 7.1 card anyone recommend a good driver project ? |
| 13:42.33 | magyar | how can i read a users maildir with mutt? |
| 13:43.37 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 13:43.39 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:43.58 | DerJamster | magyar: set up a .muttrc with set folder=~/Maildir/ and set spoolfile=~/Maildir/ in it. also set mbox_type=Maildir |
| 13:45.30 | magyar | DerJamster: i am su, and i want to read a specific users maildir. is there a way to "mutt -f user" just instead of maibox use mildir? |
| 13:45.37 | DerJamster | magyar: ahhh. |
| 13:45.40 | sirius_kr | Hey tarzeau ^_^ |
| 13:45.43 | DerJamster | magyar: okay..no idea, never tried that. |
| 13:46.01 | magyar | DerJamster: :) |
| 13:46.06 | DerJamster | magyar: just su - username? :> |
| 13:46.17 | magyar | ahhggr |
| 13:46.22 | magyar | thanks |
| 13:46.24 | DerJamster | *g* |
| 13:46.27 | DerJamster | No prob. |
| 13:46.51 | DerJamster | magyar: you could also redirect all mails of certain users to a single other user account. |
| 13:46.54 | DerJamster | magyar: see /etc/aliases |
| 13:47.49 | fireba11 | DerJamster hm .. should convert my private virtual server to maildir some time ... am delaying that for months now .. |
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| 13:48.02 | mzilikazi | well thanks DerJamster - you da man! |
| 13:48.37 | magyar | DerJamster: i know that, i am just trying to verify if spamfilter is working, but if i su any user i get nothing just # |
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| 13:48.48 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: hey! |
| 13:49.07 | sirius_kr | ^_^ |
| 13:49.07 | magyar | DerJamster: would /bin/false do that? |
| 13:49.17 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: were you testing uapt? i've added source to it and stuff... i really like it but one thing i found which is bad |
| 13:49.18 | fireba11 | magyar ? testing a spamfilter is easy, what are you trying ?? |
| 13:49.27 | DerJamster | magyar: yeah |
| 13:49.36 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: software that tries to open data in a fixed place relative to / |
| 13:49.36 | sirius_kr | tarzeau: uapt ?? |
| 13:49.51 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: oh then that wasn't you... he also had a nick with s in the beginning |
| 13:50.00 | tarzeau | or w.. anyways |
| 13:50.07 | magyar | DerJamster: that kind of sucks a bit, i need to give /bin/bash for an email user :( |
| 13:50.10 | sirius_kr | tarzeau: im the fglrx person from last night around 12 am lol |
| 13:50.15 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: ah i see... |
| 13:50.26 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: you didn't get it to work? i need to check what? |
| 13:50.30 | liable | xorg seems to be sucking the juice sfter the last upgrade or two |
| 13:50.47 | DerJamster | magyar: temporarily, yes. |
| 13:50.55 | magyar | fireba11: easy :), i need to see if the .Junk folder is getting crap mail |
| 13:50.56 | DerJamster | fireba11: Well, it's quick n easy :> |
| 13:51.08 | DerJamster | Maildir, I mean |
| 13:51.15 | sirius_kr | Tarzeau: i still dont have it working gona have to wait till later after class to try again for now im looking for a good driver package for my Creative 7.1 card |
| 13:51.29 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: is that a sound card? |
| 13:51.36 | fireba11 | magyar there is a special signature like eicar for virus that will always get detected as spam |
| 13:51.37 | sirius_kr | tarzeau: yea |
| 13:51.48 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: you know what? you have two pieces of hardware that don't work. either go use windows, or sell that piece of shit |
| 13:52.00 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: and buy hardware that you know will work with linux |
| 13:52.11 | sirius_kr | Tarzeau: lmao i bought the stuff for windows but now i want linux lol |
| 13:52.20 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: sell it now! |
| 13:52.21 | fireba11 | DerJamster hm-hm ... did that here at work already .. bu my private server got a confifixx installation i don't want to mess up and i need to replace uw-imap with courier or dovecot of course |
| 13:52.25 | sirius_kr | Tarzeau: lol |
| 13:52.29 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: rofl |
| 13:53.03 | sirius_kr | Tarzeau: what sound cards are good for linux if creative is not |
| 13:53.10 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: the ones that just work |
| 13:53.19 | sirius_kr | lol |
| 13:53.27 | tarzeau | sirius_kr: check kernel source Documentation directory |
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| 13:53.40 | chekka | hi there |
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| 13:53.50 | DerJamster | fireba11: okay, ow :> |
| 13:54.04 | chekka | I'm using debian sarge on a P3 1Ghz with a ac97 soundcard |
| 13:54.10 | tarzeau | !ac97 |
| 13:54.11 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 13:54.19 | chekka | just installed alsa-base, alsa-utils and alsa-oss |
| 13:54.22 | fireba11 | DerJamster: it's still possible fo course but quite a bit more complicated than usual :-D |
| 13:54.26 | chekka | but i can't hear sound |
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| 13:54.33 | tarzeau | chekka: read what dpkg said |
| 13:54.41 | fireba11 | DerJamster: and i lack a testing environment if i screw up :-) |
| 13:55.12 | chekka | hmm |
| 13:55.34 | chekka | it's not a soundcard from the motherboard, it's pci |
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| 13:56.01 | fireba11 | chekka: still applies |
| 13:56.40 | chekka | Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02) |
| 13:57.49 | magyar | is there a console mail app that can read users maildir folders? |
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| 13:59.12 | chekka | ??? |
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| 14:00.01 | jelly | magyar: mutt does. |
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| 14:00.23 | magyar | jelly: how? |
| 14:00.44 | jelly | magyar: mutt -f whatever-folder |
| 14:01.02 | chekka | ok, just using alsaconf fixed the problem |
| 14:01.06 | sirius_kr | Tarzeau: Alsa seams to be working pretty well all 7.1 speaks work :D |
| 14:01.07 | chekka | thx anyway |
| 14:01.10 | jelly | magyar: same as mbox. |
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| 14:04.30 | v1per | hi, my friend is wondering if there was a way to get rid of the beep upon bootup? |
| 14:04.51 | tarzeau | v1per: disconnect the speaker |
| 14:04.56 | tarzeau | so, yes |
| 14:04.59 | v1per | or perhaps is there a way to get rid of system beeps in general? |
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| 14:05.13 | tarzeau | !beep |
| 14:05.14 | dpkg | well, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
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| 14:05.21 | fireba11 | v1per: unplug the darned speaker already :-) |
| 14:05.35 | tarzeau | v1per: x or console? |
| 14:05.54 | v1per | both |
| 14:06.08 | v1per | it's his laptop, kinda hard to do that |
| 14:06.30 | fireba11 | v1per: at least not a strivial |
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| 14:08.28 | grummund | Hello. Once I have built a kernel package with make-kpkg, can i make it available to clients to install with apt-get? I am running apache and have installed apt-move, but not sure if that's the package i need, or which way to go now... |
| 14:09.16 | grummund | am i at least on the right track with apt-move? |
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| 14:10.54 | tarzeau | grummund: you could also just use something like this: io.debian.net/~tar/debian/update |
| 14:11.15 | tarzeau | grummund: you'll want to add your repository to the clients sources.list |
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| 14:11.35 | sirius_ | ok_my_space_key_does_not_work_i_was_in_short_cut_manager_and_hit_space_for_a_short_cut_and_space_didnt_work_afterthat_lol_and_i_removed_the_shortcut_and_it_still_desont_work_???? |
| 14:11.45 | grummund | tarzeau: thanks. i guess it's creating the repository i am wondering about... |
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| 14:12.33 | detox | I cannot find out h ow to add a WM (like fluxbox) to the log on screen. canyone help direct to instructions for thiis?? |
| 14:12.43 | tarzeau | detox: which? wdm? |
| 14:12.56 | detox | gdm i believe |
| 14:13.05 | detox | it defaults to gnome |
| 14:13.23 | sirius_ | never mind got it working |
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| 14:13.39 | detox | all I have to chose from is kde and gnome want to add a few |
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| 14:14.00 | adggg | apt-get install sense-of-humor |
| 14:14.01 | detox | installed enlightenemnt but does not show up under session on log in screen |
| 14:14.05 | detox | arrggg |
| 14:15.22 | Erudified | man why is firefox so shitty in Debian? |
| 14:15.35 | jkl- | ive purposely downgraded one package; now every time i do 'apt-get upgrade' it want to upgrade it to the newest version - how can i lock it in the old version (kept back?) so im not questioned about it any more? |
| 14:16.07 | fireba11 | jkl-: set the package to hold |
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| 14:16.17 | jkl- | fireba11: how do i do that? |
| 14:16.22 | omry | I how 2gb ram, but according to free, linux only sees 1gb, any idea what's up with that? |
| 14:16.41 | sirius_ | When i boot up what ever it use's to try and start my Network Connection does not work i have to boot into linux open up terminal and do a dhclient and then my connection works, how can i make it so it works when it boots up ? |
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| 14:17.49 | tarzeau | omry: you need a better kernel |
| 14:17.53 | detox | so does anyone know how to add different window managers to the "sessions" selection on the log-on screen? |
| 14:17.59 | tarzeau | omry: linux kernels can see up to 1gb, 4gb and 64gb |
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| 14:18.18 | tarzeau | detox: of gdm? stable? it should happen automatically |
| 14:18.37 | omry | tarzeau, oh, I see.. is that a kernel build option? |
| 14:18.44 | tarzeau | omry: yes |
| 14:18.51 | detox | it is debian sarge |
| 14:19.14 | tarzeau | detox: did you look around in /etc ? X11 or gdm? |
| 14:19.26 | detox | yes |
| 14:19.28 | omry | tarzeau, my CPU is a 64bit one, but I didn't change to a 64bit kernel (yet), is that required for that or will a 32bit kernel deal with 2gb? |
| 14:19.53 | Erudified | omry ive got 2gb of ram in a 32-bit box not |
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| 14:20.12 | signuts | How often should one upgrade a debian system? I have switched from gentoo from the constant need to upgrade, my system constantly would break if I go a while w/o an upgarde. |
| 14:20.14 | tarzeau | omry: a 32bit kernel can handl 4gb without problems |
| 14:20.27 | gandhijee | what kernel version is debian 3.1 on? |
| 14:20.30 | tarzeau | signuts: stable or what? |
| 14:20.40 | detox | also ,, and this may be an easier fix...I have a dell latitude laptop,,, and the curser has a mind of its own ,,, travelling across trhe screen and I cannot stop it |
| 14:20.42 | signuts | tarzeau, testing |
| 14:20.43 | tarzeau | gandhijee: 2.4 and 2.6, see packages.debian.org |
| 14:20.54 | tarzeau | signuts: oh i can't recommend using testing, sorry |
| 14:20.55 | detox | it it synaptic mousepad |
| 14:21.04 | gandhijee | thanks tarzeau |
| 14:21.07 | omry | tarzeau, Erudified, thanks. |
| 14:21.10 | signuts | tarzeau, hehe |
| 14:21.22 | signuts | tarzeau, I guess i'll find out |
| 14:21.30 | detox | how do I prevent it from traveling like taht? |
| 14:21.34 | Eulex | gandhijee, 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 for x86 |
| 14:22.29 | tarzeau | Eulex: wow that's some old shit :) |
| 14:23.04 | Eulex | tarzeau, indeed |
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| 14:25.46 | omry | what's the appropriate processor family for pentium D in the kernel build menu? |
| 14:26.06 | jkl- | somthing with SMP .) |
| 14:26.14 | omry | its a different option.. |
| 14:26.17 | omry | I got smp enabled. |
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| 14:26.41 | jkl- | i686 then i guess |
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| 14:27.26 | omry | jkl-, the closest one in there to i686 is " 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX". |
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| 14:28.19 | jkl- | that should do the trick then |
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| 14:32.29 | brownie17 | what's the command for opening a terminal window? |
| 14:32.44 | Erudified | Anyone know where I can grab Java packages for testing? |
| 14:33.03 | abrotman | !tell Erudified about java |
| 14:33.12 | brownie17 | anyone know the command for opening a terminal window? |
| 14:33.27 | abrotman | from what? |
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| 14:33.45 | jkl- | xterm? |
| 14:33.48 | SlayerXP | brownie17: can you be less specific? |
| 14:34.25 | abrotman | you'd swear they don't speak english in australia :) |
| 14:34.29 | brownie17 | SlayerXP, how about this? what's the code for doing the thing with the other buttons and like the line on it |
| 14:34.49 | SlayerXP | brownie17: not bad. |
| 14:35.06 | brownie17 | SlayerXP, i am using the gnome terminal emulator and a baSH shell or whatever, but i just want a command i can use for xbnidkeys that will open a new terminal window |
| 14:35.19 | abrotman | that's totally different |
| 14:35.24 | abrotman | Gnome has an applet to do hotkeys |
| 14:35.40 | brownie17 | oh it does? what's it called? |
| 14:35.59 | abrotman | no idea .. look under the Administration menu item |
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| 14:36.31 | brownie17 | abrotman, administrationwhere's that? |
| 14:36.38 | abrotman | in your freaking gnom emenu |
| 14:36.54 | liable | godammit |
| 14:36.55 | brownie17 | abrotman, are you serious? there's not option called admin in mine |
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| 14:37.17 | brownie17 | liable, i can fully understand you're anger at my apparent idiocy but either my eyes need a check or you've made a mistake |
| 14:37.17 | abrotman | there should be .. |
| 14:37.39 | liable | brownie17: i wasnt actually having a go at you :P |
| 14:37.47 | brownie17 | liable, that's okay |
| 14:38.01 | abrotman | brownie17: somewhere there should be an Administration menu |
| 14:38.09 | liable | brownie17: thats the first thing i have said in ages, dont be so paranoid :) |
| 14:38.14 | abrotman | it depends on which version of gnome you have as to where it is |
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| 14:38.15 | brownie17 | i found something called gnome control center |
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| 14:39.03 | brownie17 | abrotman, oh i found the thing you are referring to, i know about that old baby, but it doesn't have an option for opening a terminal window, which the one in ubuntu did, it was a handy option |
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| 14:39.15 | abrotman | brownie17: make your own! |
| 14:39.17 | astronut | does D-I do WEP for wifi networks? |
| 14:39.24 | brownie17 | abrot?? |
| 14:39.30 | abrotman | you can make your own keybinding |
| 14:39.52 | brownie17 | abrotman, not in that window thinger |
| 14:39.52 | abrotman | astronut: eh .. i don't think so .. but i guess it would be easy enough to find out |
| 14:40.00 | astronut | abrotman: asking in #-boot |
| 14:40.05 | abrotman | brownie17: it's there somewhere .. i've seen it |
| 14:40.18 | brownie17 | abrotman, such as xbingkeys? |
| 14:40.20 | brownie17 | bid* |
| 14:40.23 | brownie17 | bind* |
| 14:40.26 | astronut | abrotman: probably have to drop to shell and manually do the key |
| 14:40.35 | abrotman | astronut: probably .. hopefully improved for etch |
| 14:40.38 | astronut | meh, i'll just go wired |
| 14:40.40 | liable | astronut: try switching to vt2 and see if wireless-tools is installed |
| 14:40.43 | abrotman | brownie17: yeah .. it's in there somewhere .. i've seen it |
| 14:40.51 | astronut | gotta find my CD first through |
| 14:40.51 | liable | s/installed/available/ |
| 14:41.04 | brownie17 | abrotman, well i was asking about xbindkeys before and you said i didn't need it. |
| 14:41.17 | astronut | actually, i need my parted cd |
| 14:41.23 | astronut | gparted |
| 14:41.27 | liable | astronut: your wifi is supported by the installer kernel? |
| 14:41.36 | astronut | liable: probably, it's in upstream |
| 14:41.37 | abrotman | you don't! .. there's some freaking gnome thingie to do that |
| 14:41.42 | astronut | intel one |
| 14:41.49 | jetscreamer | gnomes eat brownies |
| 14:41.52 | astronut | one of the nice things about the thinkpad |
| 14:41.58 | liable | astronut: dont you still need firmware though? |
| 14:42.00 | Catch`CoNdA | hey, I got a bit of a predicament now. After doing a normal update/upgrade/dist-upgrade on my Debian testing things broke like water. I get an error no matter what I try to do with apt-get and a lot of things do not function and I am afraid to reboot because then things would probably not start up again(X). Take a look here; http://pastebin.com/770058 - could anyone give me some pointers |
| 14:42.01 | astronut | the ubuntu live cd worked quite well once i punched in the key |
| 14:42.03 | astronut | liable: nope ;-) |
| 14:42.07 | astronut | intel++ |
| 14:42.11 | liable | astronut: sweet |
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| 14:42.25 | astronut | liable: TTOMK - ubuntu may have shipped it |
| 14:42.35 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: purge opera .. try again |
| 14:42.36 | liable | !ttomk |
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| 14:42.39 | brownie17 | abrotman, well the "keyboard shortcuts" one does not have an option for adding extra commands, there is no command for opening a terminal window. is there some other gnome program for it? |
| 14:42.41 | Chty | hello |
| 14:42.44 | astronut | ttbomk* |
| 14:42.49 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: had the same problem the other day |
| 14:42.52 | astronut | to the best of my knowledge |
| 14:42.53 | liable | ? |
| 14:42.57 | liable | oh |
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| 14:43.07 | abrotman | brownie17: you have to make your own .. give it the shortcut .. and the command you want it to execute |
| 14:43.27 | blondie | hmm, if you save a playlist using the gnome mpd client... where is it saved? |
| 14:43.40 | brownie17 | abrotman, arghh... i just explained this. the gnome program is very basic with only a button for help and close, no button for adding a new one!!!!! |
| 14:44.47 | Catch`CoNdA | abrotman, now I got something very close to what I had with opera just this time it is xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 14:44.59 | Catch`CoNdA | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 14:45.05 | abrotman | Catch`CoNdA: paste it again |
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| 14:45.48 | brownie17 | abrotman, have you given up on me? |
| 14:45.48 | Catch`CoNdA | http://pastebin.com/770067 |
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| 14:46.01 | abrotman | brownie17: i know it's there .. i've seen it |
| 14:46.10 | abrotman | !tell Catch`CoNdA about overwrite |
| 14:46.24 | brownie17 | abrotman, what is? another application? |
| 14:46.35 | abrotman | the thing to make your own shortcuts |
| 14:47.05 | brownie17 | abrotman, not in the GUI, maybe in the config file, to which i do not know the location |
| 14:47.09 | abrotman | yes .. it is |
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| 14:47.44 | signuts | does anyone know how the kernel detects to build a default .config, because on gentoo/slackware it was always a minimal kernel. Now I have a module for everything |
| 14:47.45 | signuts | it seems insaine |
| 14:48.03 | abrotman | signuts: nothing wrong with that .. just don't load them |
| 14:48.16 | signuts | abrotman, I don't want to buidl them . heh |
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| 14:48.39 | NeonLicht | hello |
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| 14:49.03 | signuts | using defaults found in /boot/config-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 14:49.04 | signuts | that's crazy |
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| 14:51.06 | Catch`CoNdA | hmm.. okey here it goes.. with force-overwrite.. but why is it complaing about directories it can not manage to delete. is this some kind of milestone upgrade or a standard process gone wrong? |
| 14:51.06 | NeonLicht | I'm running Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (Sarge) on a cluster (8x3,2GHz) which has 1GB RAM per node. I have just installed 2GB of RAM but the system still uses only 1GB, although the BIOS reports 2GB. I remember having read something shoudl be done for Debian to integrate and use the new RAM, but I cannot remember (and don't seem to find) where it was (that I read it). Any pointings to the right place to document myself about that, please? |
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| 14:52.03 | jetscreamer | would that be a highmem kernel setting? |
| 14:52.18 | jetscreamer | think so |
| 14:52.49 | NeonLicht | jetscreamer: could it be? if it was, where can I read how to increment it? |
| 14:52.53 | Gathond | NeonLicht, you probably have to install a kernel that has highmem support, i dont think the default debian one has |
| 14:53.09 | Gathond | NeonLicht, without highmen the system is limited to something like 860 MB of memory |
| 14:53.25 | signuts | jetscreamer, NeonLicht yea, Yes, i'm actually in there, under processor change it to High Mem on and select 4G |
| 14:53.27 | NeonLicht | Gathond: I'm running a self compiled one (OpenMosix patched), I'll have a look at that |
| 14:53.28 | jetscreamer | kernel-docs i reckon. or hit help when you're make menuconfigging |
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| 14:53.39 | jetscreamer | it's close to the top :) |
| 14:53.39 | NeonLicht | thanks a lot, guys! :-) |
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| 14:53.57 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 14:54.46 | gandhijee | syn: ixp and arm processor |
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| 14:57.28 | signuts | man, Here I was running with one processor for a day wondering why my system was slow =) |
| 14:57.33 | superlinux | I downloade the lame source code.. I count find the method to compile the software |
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| 14:57.51 | liable | superlinux: its available from marillat if you want it |
| 14:58.05 | liable | superlinux: make doesnt complie it? |
| 14:58.12 | peterS | superlinux: finding instructions to compile random software that isn't in debian isn't really a #debian topic |
| 14:58.34 | superlinux | gimme the link plz for an laready compiled one |
| 14:58.46 | liable | !tell superlinux about marillat |
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| 14:59.03 | superlinux | thanks |
| 14:59.38 | liable | marillat has moved? |
| 15:00.15 | superlinux | well the site opened |
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| 15:00.19 | superlinux | as far as I know |
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| 15:01.00 | Catch`CoNdA | Thanks abrot, everything is shiny with dependencies as fulfilled as a perfect square. happy summer time! :D |
| 15:01.11 | seele_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.24 | Catch`CoNdA | safe to reboot ;) |
| 15:01.38 | seele_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.21 | Serinity | I was looking at all those news websites having their videos in windblows imediate slayer and i was wondering there's no simple free open source solution to have like videos on websites in a format that linux players would have a chance to legaly and easily, by default get.... and as a personal question i'd add, shipped with debian... Anyone ? |
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| 15:06.35 | jetscreamer | well if you forget the 'shipped with' and make that 'installable by' you're covered |
| 15:06.43 | jetscreamer | cept the legal part |
| 15:07.12 | jetscreamer | i've found the vlc plugin is needed for google vids and youtube if that helps |
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| 15:07.58 | jetscreamer | probably you would need to talk to the guy in charge of encoding those vids |
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| 15:09.37 | yang | how do I add "history tracker" into bash prompt? |
| 15:11.36 | liable | hrm, is mpeg a non-free format? |
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| 15:11.49 | emmettshear | I plugged a SATA drive into my motherboard, and it seems to recognize it's been plugged in (right before the kernel loads, the bios shows it for a second)...but I can't seem to find it under /dev/???....can anyone help? |
| 15:12.07 | emmettshear | I'm sorry the question is so vague, I'm just kind of lost as to how to proceed |
| 15:12.29 | liable | emmettshear: no /dev/sda ? |
| 15:13.03 | abrotman | Serinity: theora |
| 15:13.08 | emmettshear | I mean, /dev/sda exists...but fdisk /dev/sda says "Unable to open /dev/sda" |
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| 15:13.24 | abrotman | !theora |
| 15:13.30 | abrotman | eh .. what is it called |
| 15:13.42 | Serinity | abrotman, Thank you :) |
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| 15:13.56 | abrotman | Serinity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora |
| 15:14.03 | Serinity | ffmpeg2theora |
| 15:14.09 | Serinity | that's how it's called :) |
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| 15:14.22 | Serinity | No surprise you can't guess it ;) |
| 15:14.47 | jetscreamer | emmettshear: to find the partition, you want sda1 or so |
| 15:14.50 | sebastien | hello, do you have the same problem ? no printer detected (debian sid) tks |
| 15:15.00 | jetscreamer | sda would be the hd, 1 is the partiton... or 2 |
| 15:15.04 | jsn | At some point after an udpate, maybe about a week and a half ago, I lost sound. What had happened was that startup no longer did a "modprobe snd_powermac" Where do I fix this for a 2.6.15 |
| 15:15.09 | abrotman | !theora is an open video codec being developed by the Xiph.org Foundation as part of their Ogg project. http://theora.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora |
| 15:15.10 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 15:15.21 | jetscreamer | put the module in /etc/modules maybe |
| 15:15.33 | jetscreamer | but sounds different |
| 15:15.34 | emmettshear | jetscreamer: is there some way to test if /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 actually has a hard drive behind it? |
| 15:15.34 | Serinity | abrotman, and can windblws media slayer read it |
| 15:15.35 | Serinity | ? |
| 15:15.45 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/partitions |
| 15:15.48 | emmettshear | because neither responds to fidsk |
| 15:15.49 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 15:15.51 | emmettshear | ah, thanks |
| 15:15.52 | abrotman | Serinity: i believe so .. check teh FAQ at theora.org |
| 15:16.01 | Serinity | okay, thank you :) |
| 15:16.42 | emmettshear | only the IDE drive (containing linux) appears under /proc/partitions |
| 15:16.59 | emmettshear | the sata drive (actually, 4 of them) aren't formatted or anything |
| 15:17.02 | jetscreamer | 'maybe' you need to load some module for the sata controller, not sure |
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| 15:17.16 | jetscreamer | sda should at least show up i believe |
| 15:17.18 | emmettshear | jetscreamer: thanks...any ideas where I could look? |
| 15:17.18 | liable | emmettshear: read the kernel log or dmesg |
| 15:17.24 | jetscreamer | even if there is no 1 |
| 15:17.30 | jetscreamer | listen to liable i know nothing |
| 15:17.35 | emmettshear | liable: Ah, the kernel log...how do I read that? I've been looking for that :) |
| 15:17.43 | jetscreamer | /var/log/something |
| 15:17.50 | jetscreamer | type dmesg |
| 15:17.52 | emmettshear | I have heard tell of it's wonders, but never found it |
| 15:17.55 | liable | emmettshear: less /var/log/kern.log |
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| 15:18.17 | liable | emmettshear: most all logs are in /var/log |
| 15:18.33 | Tassium | WTF is this Bot_Net spam-on-join shit? |
| 15:18.47 | blondie | ? |
| 15:19.09 | liable | Tassium: call ops if its from /j here |
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| 15:20.15 | Tassium | liable: Done, via dpkg.. Let's see if that actually did what I meant for it to ;) |
| 15:20.18 | emmettshear | is there something I can grep for? It's a long file :) |
| 15:21.08 | liable | emmettshear: its concatated from the last few boots, read the end of it, you can see the last boot from the time stamp |
| 15:21.11 | Serinity | emmettshear, sda ? |
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| 15:21.51 | sebastien | no problem with your printer in sid curently ? |
| 15:22.15 | liable | thought i would share that with you all :P |
| 15:22.25 | Tassium | liable: I can't thank you enough ;) |
| 15:22.49 | liable | no worries :) |
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| 15:23.29 | beered | there is no such thing as 'good gas'. |
| 15:23.33 | beered | ghee. |
| 15:23.35 | beered | :) |
| 15:24.03 | emmettshear | so, there's no sign of the drives under the kernel log |
| 15:24.06 | liable | never seems to be as offensive when its yours.. :) |
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| 15:24.17 | Tassium | blondie: Funny, that's what liable did too. |
| 15:24.22 | blondie | hahaha |
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| 15:25.44 | liable | emmettshear: does lspci show the controller? |
| 15:25.58 | csaba198 | Hi! I start X server from an rc script, and it runs as root. How can i make it to use the configfiles of root (from /root) ? |
| 15:26.13 | formorer | you shouldn't |
| 15:26.20 | formorer | running X as root is BAD BAD BAD |
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| 15:26.38 | csaba198 | formorer: i know, but this server will have no connection to other computer. |
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| 15:26.46 | csaba198 | +s |
| 15:26.52 | emmettshear | liable: I...don't think so. I see IDE interface, but no SATA/ATA interface |
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| 15:27.00 | formorer | csaba198: its anyway bad |
| 15:27.00 | beered | csaba198: you mean X or the actual WM configs? |
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| 15:27.06 | formorer | there is no reason to do so |
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| 15:27.20 | liable | emmettshear: check bios, or try another slot if its an add on card |
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| 15:27.53 | csaba198 | beered: so i wanna have the same result if i start X from an rc script, and if i start it typing startx at the prompt. |
| 15:27.56 | emmettshear | liable: What does "check bios" mean? Sorry, I'm kind of a newb :) |
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| 15:28.42 | liable | emmettshear: see if its ok when you poke around in the bios stuff at boot, you know F8 or whatever at post |
| 15:28.51 | csaba198 | formerer: yes, You' re right, but then can You tell me how can i start X server as a normal user from an rc script? |
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| 15:29.23 | Tassium | csaba198: It's my understanding that you don't really start X that way, you want to change your default runlevel |
| 15:29.26 | formorer | csaba198: g/kdm with autologin |
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| 15:29.48 | beered | csaba198: edit your inittab runlevel. |
| 15:30.07 | formorer | beered: this has no effect |
| 15:30.08 | csaba198 | formorer: that would be too slow for this system.. . |
| 15:30.14 | formorer | csaba198: ? |
| 15:30.15 | DerJamster | Or put startx into your .bashrc (with a check for, say, tty1), and use mingetty to autologin your user at tty1 during startup. |
| 15:30.20 | beered | formorer: ha? |
| 15:30.23 | emmettshear | liable: all four drives show up in the BIOS, recognized correctly, on the SATA controllers |
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| 15:30.35 | formorer | beered: why should changing a runlevel have any effect on X? |
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| 15:30.57 | DerJamster | csaba198: gdm is too slow for the sys? |
| 15:31.08 | liable | emmettshear: ok, and lspci didnt show any other controller than the ata one? |
| 15:31.34 | emmettshear | liable: one second, let me check again |
| 15:31.42 | csaba198 | DerJamster: yes, and no space. This is a small optimalised system on a partition with 32 MB. |
| 15:31.48 | DerJamster | csaba198: try my method :> |
| 15:31.54 | liable | emmettshear: you may want to do update-pciids |
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| 15:32.04 | beered | formorer: because. :) |
| 15:32.18 | formorer | beered: ? |
| 15:32.25 | csaba198 | DerJamster: How do You mean to edit inittab? |
| 15:32.51 | beered | formorer: yes? |
| 15:32.51 | DerJamster | csaba198: in bash_profile put if [ -z "$DISPLAY" ] && [ $(tty) == /dev/tty2 ]; then startx fi (with then, startx and fi on different lines of course...) |
| 15:32.55 | DerJamster | and in inittab, put.. |
| 15:33.04 | liable | csaba198: you can just run startx from an init script or su foo startx for a user |
| 15:33.20 | DerJamster | csaba198: 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin theusername tty1 |
| 15:33.30 | DerJamster | csaba198: ah..replace tty2 with 1 in the bash_profile example |
| 15:33.41 | DerJamster | then your sys will autologin into tty1, and run startx |
| 15:33.42 | formorer | csaba198: you can use the @reboot statement in in the users crontab |
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| 15:33.52 | emmettshear | liable: output from lspci http://pastebin.ca/63345 |
| 15:33.53 | DerJamster | csaba198: make sure you have mingetty, not getty |
| 15:34.28 | csaba198 | too many information :- ). |
| 15:34.47 | Tassium | Why not just set the default runlevel to 5? |
| 15:34.58 | liable | emmettshear: well, thats informative.. update-pciids |
| 15:35.24 | emmettshear | ok, I ran it...it did the get and installed pci.ids.new |
| 15:35.27 | formorer | Tassium: this is debian |
| 15:35.30 | emmettshear | I have no idea what that did though :) |
| 15:35.42 | formorer | Tassium: as I already said, this has exactly NO effect |
| 15:35.47 | liable | emmettshear: run lspci again |
| 15:35.59 | emmettshear | ooooh, very nice |
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| 15:36.03 | Tassium | formorer: Debian doesn't run gdm in runlevel 5? |
| 15:36.10 | emmettshear | can you tell me what you saw in lspci that let you know to do that? |
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| 15:36.16 | liable | emmettshear: i dont like the look of all that ati stuff though |
| 15:36.17 | formorer | a) he doesn't want gdm b) no |
| 15:36.33 | liable | emmettshear: the unknown device shit |
| 15:36.38 | Tassium | Ah. Never mind then, I must have missed a bit. |
| 15:36.55 | DerJamster | runlevels 2-5 are the same thing in debian. |
| 15:37.05 | emmettshear | ah, I see...and update-pciids gets a new set of hardware recognition stuff or something? |
| 15:37.54 | liable | emmettshear: just info from part numbers sort of thing |
| 15:38.00 | csaba198 | DerJamster: If i' m not mistaken, what You put into .bash_profile will load only i log in as root, right? |
| 15:38.34 | liable | emmettshear: paste the output from it now anyway |
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| 15:38.40 | emmettshear | liable: http://pastebin.ca/63348 |
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| 15:38.59 | DerJamster | csaba198: no. you put it into .bash_profile of the user you auto-login |
| 15:39.12 | DerJamster | csaba198: and it will only run during actual login, not when opening, say, an xterm |
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| 15:39.45 | liable | emmettshear: good, now google that sata controller line and see if its supported by any kernels (bad feeling about that) |
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| 15:41.58 | doubletwist | What's the best mailing list to look through as a user using sid? |
| 15:42.10 | doubletwist | debian-user or one of the dev lists?" |
| 15:42.18 | doubletwist | <---not actually a developer. |
| 15:42.22 | signuts | aight, where in the world did debian put my grub.conf ! |
| 15:42.43 | amphi | signuts: /boot/grub/menu.lst - where else should it be? ;) |
| 15:42.44 | formorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.58 | signuts | amphi, hehe, crazy. It used to be grub.conf on every other linux |
| 15:43.18 | formorer | no |
| 15:43.36 | formorer | thats the default place for the config |
| 15:43.58 | amphi | signuts: that is grub's default config - the grub.confs are the 'crazy' ones |
| 15:44.22 | signuts | my worlds turned upside down and inside |
| 15:44.23 | signuts | out* |
| 15:44.29 | signuts | =) |
| 15:45.01 | tarzeau | why when i print $URI i get all in one line instead of many lines? URI=`zcat Sources.gz | awk -v p="Package: $2\n" 'BEGIN{RS=""; FS="\n"}{if ($0 ~ p) print $0}'` |
| 15:45.09 | emmettshear | liable: looks like it might be supported http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#ati4379 |
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| 15:46.01 | emmettshear | but I when I try to modprobe sata_sil I get http://pastebin.ca/63355 |
| 15:46.07 | signuts | shiney new 2.6.16.16 (me hopes) |
| 15:46.57 | doubletwist | Yipes. For some reason KDE on sid/ppc shuts down my machine as soon as I start it... |
| 15:47.05 | doubletwist | Once I log into kde that is. |
| 15:47.08 | doubletwist | twm and xfce work fine. |
| 15:47.28 | formorer | your ppc wants to protect you from kde :) |
| 15:47.43 | liable | emmettshear: install a 2.6 kernel |
| 15:47.52 | doubletwist | heh |
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| 15:48.04 | emmettshear | liable: ok, this should be an adventure :). What's the easiest way to do that? |
| 15:48.18 | emmettshear | (should I upgrade, or just reinstall?) |
| 15:48.24 | emmettshear | there's nothing of value on the system at the moment |
| 15:48.29 | liable | emmettshear: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:48.32 | jjazz | emmettshear: you can apt-get a kernel |
| 15:48.52 | emmettshear | that's awesome. my decision to go with debian is yet again reconfirmed. |
| 15:48.56 | doubletwist | Hmm. I've never seen that before. in syslog it says: kdm_greet[2982]: Can't open default user face |
| 15:49.20 | liable | emmettshear: though actually, looking at that output it looks like the kernel thinks the module doesnt fit any devices in the box |
| 15:49.59 | liable | emmettshear: get a 2.6 anyway, you want it with a new board like that |
| 15:50.20 | emmettshear | liable: ok...and how do I know 686 will work with my processor? |
| 15:51.11 | emmettshear | it's an Intel pentium D |
| 15:51.24 | liable | emmettshear: oh, get an smp kernel then |
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| 15:51.34 | emmettshear | k...just checking :) |
| 15:51.37 | Phati | hello @ll |
| 15:51.54 | liable | emmettshear: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
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| 15:52.12 | emmettshear | so, what's the distinction? |
| 15:52.21 | Phati | anyone know how i can add a vhost? I want that http://users.domain.com resolved to http://domain.com/~user |
| 15:52.39 | liable | emmettshear: its for dual core shits |
| 15:53.08 | liable | or dual processors or hyper threading or whatever |
| 15:53.22 | abrotman | Phati: httpd.apache.org .. read the docs |
| 15:53.25 | emmettshear | so basically...new "cool" processors |
| 15:53.31 | roxy_ | Hi, I need help. I am usimg testing for a month now without any problem. I rebooted today and I get a message Waiting for root file system, then after a long time it giving me a very basic shell. |
| 15:53.33 | liable | heh, yeah |
| 15:53.49 | thebmw-boy | !google Debian |
| 15:53.49 | DerJamster | http://www.debian.org/ |
| 15:53.57 | dpkg | Google says Debian is at http://www.debian.org/ or http://www.debian.org/security/ or http://www.debian.org/social_contract or http://debian.org/ or http://www.debianplanet.org/ |
| 15:54.18 | De_Mon | I need a regexp that will match Subject: [not Re].*(Foo|Bar) |
| 15:54.32 | roxy_ | I also get: Alert /dev/hdd1 does not exist |
| 15:54.49 | liable | sounds like udev strikes again |
| 15:55.12 | roxy_ | liable, what can I do ? |
| 15:55.16 | liable | b.d.o is sooo slow |
| 15:55.19 | De_Mon | Subject [^Re:] would match ^R e or : so i'm stuck |
| 15:55.25 | emmettshear | liable: ok, I installed the kernel image...do I need to do something to load it? restart? |
| 15:55.29 | undrdawg | haha |
| 15:55.35 | liable | emmettshear: yes, reboot |
| 15:55.38 | undrdawg | is udev even a part of debian stable yet? |
| 15:55.46 | liable | yes |
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| 15:56.21 | undrdawg | is this recent? |
| 15:56.28 | undrdawg | like <= month or so? |
| 15:56.28 | signuts | So i just built 2.6.16.16 and put in all the "desktop specifc" stuff. It seems 10x more responsive .. so much that my mouse moves faster. How do I change the speed of my mouse in X!? |
| 15:56.37 | formorer | undrdawg: no |
| 15:56.42 | blondie | undrdawg: well considering when sarge was released... |
| 15:56.47 | formorer | undrdawg: it released with unstable |
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| 15:57.20 | liable | roxy_: did you upgrade kernel or something, udev doesnt appear to have any bugs, check bts for your kernel |
| 15:57.21 | undrdawg | i believe my snapshot came with devfs |
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| 15:57.27 | undrdawg | and 2.4 kernel |
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| 15:57.34 | undrdawg | stable that is |
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| 15:58.09 | liable | undrdawg: devfs is default and so is 2.4, but udev is available and so is 2.6 kernel. |
| 15:58.43 | emmettshear | liable: hooray, the output from modprobe sata_sil is now "" |
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| 15:59.48 | liable | emmettshear: thats good, whats dmesg say? |
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| 16:01.21 | emmettshear | http://pastebin.ca/63356 |
| 16:01.25 | signuts | What has to be done to convert debian/testing to use alsa? I am trying to find my alsamixer command and it's gone |
| 16:02.38 | roxy_ | liable: I aptitude upgrade frequently. Even if there were a bug in the kernel what could I do ? I only got 32 commands available. |
| 16:03.22 | _cini1 | signuts: install the alsamixer package |
| 16:04.23 | liable | emmettshear: your controller still doesnt seem to be recognised by the kernel. you may need a newer >2.6.12 according to that sata page you posted |
| 16:04.27 | _cinix | signuts: i like gnome-alsamixer |
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| 16:04.31 | liable | roxy_: boot into the old kernel? |
| 16:04.46 | signuts | _cinix, i'm looking for the ncurses one |
| 16:04.48 | emmettshear | liable: I can get that kernel the same way I got the last one? |
| 16:04.58 | signuts | _cinix I thought it was with an alsa-tools or alsa-utils |
| 16:05.02 | liable | emmettshear: nope, that is a little more difficult |
| 16:05.03 | roxy_ | liable, I only got 1 kernel :( |
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| 16:05.49 | liable | roxy_: bugger |
| 16:05.51 | signuts | is there a way to query what package provides a particular file? even if the package isn't installed? |
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| 16:06.06 | liable | !tell emmettshear about backports |
| 16:06.24 | liable | emmettshear: read that factoid dpkg just sent you |
| 16:06.30 | Tassium | signuts: install apt-file |
| 16:06.33 | emmettshear | reading... |
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| 16:06.57 | liable | roxy_: try makedev and mounting or something, perhaps remove udev |
| 16:07.16 | liable | roxy_: dunno, mess around with a rescue disk and chroot, see what you can do. |
| 16:07.21 | liable | laters |
| 16:07.37 | signuts | Tassium, thx |
| 16:07.47 | roxy_ | liable: makedev is not part of the 32 commands I've got |
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| 16:08.20 | liable | roxy_: yeah, so use the install disk and chroot in |
| 16:08.40 | liable | roxy_: the etch one even has rescue mode iirc |
| 16:09.03 | signuts | I have a strange question here |
| 16:09.30 | emmettshear | is the name of the kernel package I want just kernel-image-2.6.XXX-686-smp? |
| 16:09.39 | roxy_ | liable, thanks for your help |
| 16:09.42 | signuts | all of a sudden after doing 'apt-get install alsa-utils' I have a ton of new packages, one which includes galeon and a ton of gnome stuff. what's the deal? |
| 16:10.16 | signuts | apt-cache show alsa-utils doesn't say anything about gnome |
| 16:10.33 | Tassium | signuts: Which gnome packages? |
| 16:11.30 | signuts | Tassium, loads. i'll nopaste it |
| 16:12.13 | signuts | Tassium, http://rafb.net/paste/results/ggBxLu59.html |
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| 16:13.46 | Tassium | signuts: WOAH. |
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| 16:14.29 | Tassium | signuts: Did you do something like install stable, then switch your repository to testing or unstable, then try to install alsa-utils? |
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| 16:16.47 | liable | roxy_: you could try mounting from busybox, try /dev/discs/dis<tab> use tab completion and poke around in /dev |
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| 16:19.32 | emmettshear | liable: ok, so I understand backports now, I think...but the advice it gives doesn't seem to apply to the Kernel - do I apt-get source a kernel image or something? |
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| 16:24.22 | signuts | Tassium, that's exactly what I did |
| 16:24.26 | signuts | I was stable, moved to testing |
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| 16:26.18 | cr3 | how can I create an alias eth0 interface, like eth0:0, without assigning an IP or making it immediately up? |
| 16:26.21 | Tassium | signuts: Well, alsa-mixer depends on some things, which in turn depend on libraries (libc6 for instance). That impacts a bunch of other stuff on your system which needs to be upgraded. (They probably have a dependency on a very specific lib version) |
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| 16:41.58 | doublehp_ | how to set up software raid on SCSI with BSD disklabel ? testing CD complains there is no partition tagged "Linux raid autodetect", but that type is not available neither in the curses partitionner nor in fdisk ... what did I do wrong ? |
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| 16:42.07 | John-Z | Question: How can I get apt-get to fetch MySQL 4.1 .. it seems to auto default to 5.0 |
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| 16:43.20 | John-Z | apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 16:43.25 | John-Z | That should work. |
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| 16:45.01 | oxxxo | how can i install lilo on cloned HDD with northon ghost, i cant boot it even with boot floppy (freezes) |
| 16:45.55 | dabreegster | John-Z: On testing, that's a virtual package pointing to 5.0, but if it works for you, great |
| 16:46.40 | John-Z | Yeah.. that forces me: "Note, selecting mysql-server-5.0 instead of mysql-server-4.1" |
| 16:46.48 | John-Z | wtf. |
| 16:46.58 | John-Z | Why would it do that? |
| 16:47.10 | dabreegster | John-Z: I guess 4.1 is just outdated. There's a way to select a specific version of a package, but I dunno if it'd work in this case |
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| 16:50.51 | signuts | Tassium, so my only choice is to let it all upgrade and remove the unwanted packages later? I really don't want evolution-data-server. heh |
| 16:51.04 | signuts | plus all the other mumbo jumbo |
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| 16:58.30 | Equin_ | How would I disallow a user access to any folder but his homefolder? |
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| 16:58.55 | Wing-Zero | anyone home |
| 16:59.02 | formorer | Equin_: libpam-chroot - Chroot Pluggable Authentication Module for PAM |
| 16:59.18 | Wing-Zero | iwanted to know how i can remove a database in mysql |
| 16:59.27 | formorer | man mysqladmin |
| 16:59.28 | Equin_ | Is that a configuration assistant of some sort? |
| 16:59.57 | formorer | *assiswhat*? |
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| 17:00.28 | Equin_ | eh? |
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| 17:00.36 | Toge | hello |
| 17:00.40 | formorer | this is debian - no assistants |
| 17:00.59 | Toge | i have a question, how can i close de xserver? |
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| 17:01.14 | Equin_ | So what is libpam-chroot? |
| 17:01.23 | mada | Toge: uhmm... you kinda dont, if you kill it ... it pops back up |
| 17:01.46 | Erudified | Anyone know of a good IP geolocator dongle? |
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| 17:02.10 | formorer | Equin_: apt-cache show libpam-chroot |
| 17:02.12 | Equin_ | Toge: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 17:02.31 | Toge | im going Equin_ , thanx |
| 17:02.43 | Toge | i need close it for install nvidia drivers, mada |
| 17:03.12 | mada | mada: there is actually a way, you have to edit /etc/rcX.d (X==runlevel number) |
| 17:03.25 | Equin_ | thanks foromer |
| 17:03.28 | mada | Toge: there is actually a way, you have to edit /etc/rcX.d (X==runlevel number) |
| 17:03.33 | Equin_ | looks like that''s what I need |
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| 17:04.08 | formorer | mada: you can use rcconf to disable it from starting |
| 17:04.15 | mada | Toge: just get the nvidia driver from source and compile it through the apt system |
| 17:04.43 | mada | formorer: that edits /etc/rcX.d right? |
| 17:04.56 | formorer | mada: apt-get install rcconf |
| 17:05.27 | mada | formorer: i know how do it by hand with a text editor, talk to Toge |
| 17:05.44 | formorer | oh sorry :) |
| 17:06.00 | formorer | mada: but you shouldn't a texteditor for symlinks :) |
| 17:06.24 | mada | awww come on, its more fun that way :) |
| 17:06.50 | formorer | mada: then you would do: vim /dev/hda :) |
| 17:06.52 | mada | no actually, it isn't ... i think when i would do it, i used some kde tool |
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| 17:07.09 | mada | formorer: yes, THAT would be a wonderful time |
| 17:07.25 | mada | :P |
| 17:07.30 | formorer | :) |
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| 17:09.51 | Equin_ | hmm, in the readme of the libpam-chroot package it says I need to run setup-chrootdir.sh, but there is no such script |
| 17:10.01 | Equin_ | I tried a gnome search, a whereis and a locate command |
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| 17:10.29 | mada | i brb |
| 17:10.33 | setcode | hello |
| 17:10.41 | formorer | Equin_: dpkg -L libpam-chroot |
| 17:11.23 | Vasistha | setcode: welcome! if you've got a debian question, feel free to just ask |
| 17:12.16 | Equin_ | thanks |
| 17:12.18 | Tassium | Equin_: The README usually comes with the upstream source, and doesn't always apply directly to the Debian package. Try checking for a README.Debian |
| 17:12.25 | setcode | thanks Vasistha |
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| 17:12.36 | Equin_ | I found it |
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| 17:14.54 | Smerdyakov | An xserver-xorg upgrade has broken X to the point where it won't start. One of the error messages says that my i915 kernel module is too old. Where can I get a new version? |
| 17:16.16 | Equin_ | Hmm, I found a README.Debian.gz |
| 17:16.21 | Equin_ | Is this some kind of archive |
| 17:16.35 | formorer | guess what the .gz means :) |
| 17:16.38 | Vasistha | Equin_: you can read it with zless |
| 17:16.52 | formorer | or with vim |
| 17:17.08 | Equin_ | ah thanks |
| 17:17.23 | itchi | I need to download the iso again of Debian. I got an HDD crash and the isos are loose. It's looks that i have give all my net install cd's to my friends and i have no more one. It's looks that there are now differents version for the stable :-/ |
| 17:17.32 | Equin_ | gz... no idea |
| 17:17.45 | formorer | itchi: no |
| 17:17.49 | formorer | Equin_: gzip |
| 17:18.00 | itchi | 3.1_r0a 3.1_r1 3.1_r2 |
| 17:18.03 | Vasistha | itchi: well, stable has had a couple updates, I think we're on r2 |
| 17:18.17 | itchi | These 3 versions are ^ |
| 17:18.17 | Equin_ | I see |
| 17:18.34 | KrocaffcheG | uin_> I see |
| 17:18.34 | KrocaffcheG | <itchi> These 3 versions are ^ |
| 17:18.38 | Vasistha | itchi: but I'm pretty sure you can use an older version without any serious issues |
| 17:19.16 | Vasistha | itchi: at any rate, if the iso on your hdd is corrupt, there's certainly no harm in downloading a new one. What's the hesitation? |
| 17:19.21 | formorer | itchi: its just an update with all security stuff included, you should use r2 |
| 17:19.58 | astronut | now upgrading to etch |
| 17:19.59 | itchi | I need to setup an RAID1. So i hope i got no toubles with an new/older one :-/ |
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| 17:20.25 | astronut | itchi: there is little difference w/ r1 vs r2 in that regard, it's just security updates pretty much |
| 17:20.32 | Vasistha | itchi: I don't think there'll be any changes that would effect that. It's called stable because major changes like those don't happen |
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| 17:21.04 | itchi | I have read some else that there was some troubles with 'md' in an release, i not more remember, crap |
| 17:21.23 | astronut | itchi: see if madduck is around, iirc he maintains it and would know |
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| 17:21.52 | Vasistha | astronut: "quicker"? |
| 17:21.54 | itchi | So, in the normal way, the last version is here the best |
| 17:21.55 | astronut | i always screw up ctrl/alt/fn and f1 |
| 17:21.57 | astronut | more quickly |
| 17:22.06 | Vasistha | astronut: oh, like, your getting used to it should happen quicker |
| 17:22.13 | astronut | yes |
| 17:22.38 | itchi | I get that last, thanks guys for you're advieses :-) |
| 17:22.51 | astronut | itchi: no problem |
| 17:22.59 | itchi | :-) |
| 17:23.14 | astronut | hmm, which should i get working first, x or wireless? |
| 17:23.23 | stew | astronut: kernel 2.6 |
| 17:23.36 | astronut | stew: heh, ya, well that's part of wireless |
| 17:23.41 | stew | yeah ;) |
| 17:23.53 | astronut | one guys write up suggested that 2.6 fails out of the box w/ something w/ the sata |
| 17:23.56 | Vasistha | yeah, I'm gonna have a heck of a time with the next laptop I use -- this one has the left ctrl and alt next to each other, so I can press them at the same time with my thumb. took me forever to get used to it |
| 17:24.16 | astronut | though the ubuntu 2.6 worked fine |
| 17:24.22 | astronut | maybe the etch one is ok |
| 17:24.32 | Vasistha | hum, I have wireless working on 2.4 ... not that I would recommend that configuration... |
| 17:24.46 | stew | astronut: any reason you didn't just install with 2.6 to begin with? |
| 17:24.48 | astronut | Vasistha: my particular driver is apparently 2.6 only |
| 17:24.51 | astronut | stew: tried to |
| 17:25.03 | astronut | stew: ethernet didn't work, and it didn't see my hard drive |
| 17:25.17 | Vasistha | astronut: ...a compelling reason for 2.6, that... |
| 17:25.34 | astronut | which suggets sarge 2.6 won't reocgnize the driver |
| 17:25.34 | astronut | Vasistha: oh, i'm unquestionably ging to 2.6, it's just a matter of order |
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| 17:25.39 | stew | ethernet didn't?!? does it have something other than an e1000? |
| 17:25.53 | astronut | stew: i dunno - i loaded module, but didn't work |
| 17:25.54 | astronut | worked fine on 2.4 |
| 17:25.57 | astronut | it's tg3 |
| 17:25.59 | stew | oh |
| 17:26.06 | stew | on a thinkpad? crazy |
| 17:26.11 | astronut | weird, isn't it? |
| 17:26.14 | stew | yeah |
| 17:26.15 | astronut | 2.4 has been quite smooth so far |
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| 17:26.30 | stew | if you want to avoid udev, upgrade to 2.6 before you upgrade to etch |
| 17:26.36 | astronut | it's funny watching the mirror jump back and forth between 100-130k and 30-36k |
| 17:26.40 | astronut | stew: too late |
| 17:26.56 | stew | astronut: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 17:26.58 | astronut | besides, sarge 2.6 will fail |
| 17:27.32 | astronut | the yaird vs initramfs-tools |
| 17:27.47 | astronut | stew: both the d-i 2.6 and this guys sarge 2.6 apparently failed - he rolled his own |
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| 17:30.28 | Wing-Zero | does anyone use pureftpd |
| 17:30.29 | Wing-Zero | ? |
| 17:31.06 | Knorrie | yes |
| 17:31.11 | Vasistha | Wing-Zero: if you've got a question, feel free to just ask it |
| 17:31.18 | tarzeau | Wing-Zero: yes see !popcon |
| 17:31.25 | Knorrie | !anyone |
| 17:31.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:31.36 | Wing-Zero | sorry people |
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| 17:32.09 | Wing-Zero | im getting an error tryint o associate ftpadmin with pureftpd |
| 17:32.27 | Wing-Zero | "Table 'pureftpd.users' doesn't exist" |
| 17:32.49 | Wing-Zero | i know how to create a table , but such a table im not sure about the fields to create |
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| 17:33.29 | Vasistha | Wing-Zero: I bet there's some kind of initial setup script that needs to be run |
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| 17:35.09 | Wing-Zero | Vasistha: its a series of php files that runs within /var/www/html |
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| 17:36.08 | itchi | Is there some else informations howto setup an RAID1 with the debian installer? |
| 17:36.11 | Vasistha | Wing-Zero: the setup script(s) are a series of php files? Kind of weird... Well, do you have php/apache installed? Have you run the setup scripts? |
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| 17:36.31 | callee | anyone using approx? |
| 17:37.12 | Wing-Zero | yea apache php python etc |
| 17:37.14 | Wing-Zero | is in |
| 17:37.20 | Wing-Zero | i also have phpmyadmin |
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| 17:37.34 | Vasistha | !anyone |
| 17:37.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:37.37 | Vasistha | callee: ^^^ |
| 17:37.54 | astronut | !sicco |
| 17:37.55 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 17:38.07 | Vasistha | Wing-Zero: so... have you run the setup scripts? do you not know how? |
| 17:38.49 | astronut | stew: ah, i think i know the problem |
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| 17:39.03 | Wing-Zero | Vasistha: im lookin thru what i untared |
| 17:39.07 | astronut | here my drives are /dev/hdaX - in 2.6 they are sdaX |
| 17:39.08 | Wing-Zero | just a dir with php files |
| 17:39.34 | Vasistha | Wing-Zero: un-tarred? did you not get the package from debian's repository? |
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| 17:40.54 | Wing-Zero | no |
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| 17:41.24 | Vasistha | Wing-Zero: well, you should get the package from debian's repository if it is available, which it probably is. Then debian will (probably) automatically run all setup scripts |
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| 17:42.17 | VolVE | hey all, I've been logging things over night and it appears that during Samba transfers, every 5 minutes, exactly, iowait shoots to 100% and smbd gets stalled, it seems to relate to pdflush and kjournald, but I'm not sure what to check next... any suggestions anyone? |
| 17:42.50 | Vasistha | Wing-Zero: hum, on second thought, I can't find pureftp in debian's repo's. Is there some other name? |
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| 17:43.22 | Wing-Zero | Vasistha: pureftpd or pure-ftpd |
| 17:43.39 | Smerdyakov | Is there some common problem with xserver-xorg upgrades that would lead to the error message "could not open default font 'fixed'"? |
| 17:43.43 | Flamarion | What Kernel I can install for one I scheme that has dual Xeon 64 bits. The system is sarge |
| 17:43.48 | Vasistha | Wing-Zero: ahha, indeed, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=pure-ftp&searchon=names |
| 17:44.26 | ricky_clarkson | Smerdyakov: Install xorg. |
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| 17:45.11 | Vasistha | Wing-Zero: you should apt-get install pure-ftpd or aptitude install pure-ftpd ... and delete that other tgz package you downloaded (and the files it installed |
| 17:45.18 | Smerdyakov | ricky_clarkson, it's already installed, but trying to install it again triggered a flurry of activity! Thanks. |
| 17:45.19 | Wing-Zero | Vasistha: but pureftpd isnt the problem, ftpAdmin is , the table |
| 17:45.36 | ricky_clarkson | Smerdyakov: Maybe you installed xserver-xorg and not xorg. |
| 17:45.37 | Vasistha | Wing-Zero: same deal, did you get ftpadmin from debian? |
| 17:45.42 | ricky_clarkson | Smerdyakov: That was my mistake. |
| 17:45.58 | Wing-Zero | Vasistha: debian doenst have ftpAdmin |
| 17:46.13 | Smerdyakov | ricky_clarkson, I read what you said as xserver-xorg. Should it be xorg? |
| 17:46.15 | Vasistha | Flamarion: probably kernel-image-2.6-64 or kernel-image-2.6-64-smp |
| 17:46.28 | ricky_clarkson | Smerdyakov: Yes. xserver-xorg is just the server. |
| 17:46.46 | astronut | damn, as i feared, it failed on 2.6 |
| 17:46.59 | astronut | just hung |
| 17:47.36 | ricky_clarkson | Is there a way of setting the sensitivity of a laptop touchpad in X? |
| 17:47.37 | astronut | if 2.4 sees my disks as hdaX and 2.6 as sdaX, is there any way to get an fstab that works for both? |
| 17:47.38 | stew | astronut: have you though about using "/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15" or an etch d-i? |
| 17:47.40 | Vasistha | Flamarion: here's a list of choices... http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-image-2.6&searchon=names&subword=1&version=sarge&release=all |
| 17:47.41 | ricky_clarkson | For clicks, not just movement. |
| 17:48.08 | Maquiavelo | Anyone has had any issues with amavis memory leaking |
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| 17:48.24 | Maquiavelo | I'm using amavis, and it's eating up around 40% of my memory |
| 17:48.25 | ricky_clarkson | stew: ipw2200 keeps resetting itself due to a firmware error - but thankfully keeps connections going. |
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| 17:48.37 | Smerdyakov | ricky_clarkson, looks like the problem was somehow some postinst scripts hadn't finished, and trying to reinstall xserver-xorg poked them into doing their jobs. Thanks!! :D |
| 17:48.53 | ricky_clarkson | Smerdyakov: Whatever. Make sure xorg is installed. |
| 17:48.59 | stew | ricky_clarkson: my ipw2200 hates my ap, and mine resets a lot. my wife has the same laptop, and she doesn't have the problem. go figure |
| 17:49.15 | astronut | stew: ipw2200 is what i have |
| 17:49.21 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Ah, that might explain why it resets in Windows too. |
| 17:49.28 | astronut | stew: the etch d-i would have been smarter |
| 17:49.48 | Vasistha | Wing-Zero: well... I would still advise using the pure-ftpd package from debian. If you scroll back and check my advise, I would tell you all the same things for ftpadmin that I did re: pure-ftpd |
| 17:49.49 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Any way of finding out why it resets in Windows, just for troubleshooting? |
| 17:49.53 | astronut | stew: i'm in etch already, but going to a 2.6 kernel won't work |
| 17:49.57 | astronut | i guess i have to build my own |
| 17:50.03 | astronut | well, let me try the new GUI intall |
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| 17:50.57 | stew | ricky_clarkson: i dunno. haven't used windows in a few years, "event viewer" in administrative something in the control panel or something? |
| 17:51.13 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Sounds vague enough. ;) |
| 17:51.56 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Is this the 'right' way of doing things? Just run dhclient to start my wireless? |
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| 17:52.55 | astronut | d'oh |
| 17:52.56 | driller- | can I use wget or anything other, to just visit a list or urls? not download files |
| 17:52.58 | astronut | i forgot to reginerate the initrd |
| 17:52.59 | stew | ricky_clarkson: you should just set it to be dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces ; the cheat sheet is "/msg dpkg man interfaces", you can set your wireless parameters in interfaces too, man 7 wireless |
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| 17:53.59 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, next job! |
| 17:54.11 | Flamarion | Vasistha, tks! |
| 17:54.51 | ricky_clarkson | I have a USB adapter for ADSL, what should I use to connect using that to my boredband? In Windows I use the ISP's software. |
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| 17:55.48 | jabra | wondering if the source.list on the debian testing machine would need to have entries for debian and ubuntu to pull the packages |
| 17:56.28 | stew | jabra: you should not mix debian and ubuntu, use only whichever you originally installed |
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| 17:56.37 | k-god | jabra: What stew said. |
| 17:56.44 | itchi | The Debian installer can not install on on physical volume for RAID1? We can not define the mount pount in that volume like when we would make an ext3 partition, then we need to define the mount point. I do an fresh install for RAID1 mirrored disk |
| 17:57.05 | k-god | !raid |
| 17:57.05 | dpkg | [raid] Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid, or see <software raid> |
| 17:57.07 | jabra | so I would need two config files or two machines the later is probably optimal |
| 17:57.13 | astronut | stew: got it |
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| 17:57.17 | jabra | stew: k-god ^ |
| 17:57.19 | astronut | i just had to edit the root line in grub |
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| 17:57.35 | k-god | jabra: Don't mix and match distros. |
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| 17:57.55 | k-god | jabra: Your debian system is debian. Your ubuntu system is ubuntu. |
| 17:57.58 | k-god | !tell jabra about ubuntu |
| 17:58.11 | itchi | k-god: Thanks i look to |
| 17:58.18 | stew | astronut: what does "uname -r" say now? |
| 17:58.28 | jabra | k-god: thanks |
| 17:58.45 | jabra | so apt-proxy can't handle this ? |
| 17:59.09 | astronut | 2.6.15.-1-686 |
| 17:59.21 | astronut | stew: i know which kernel i'm in :-P |
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| 18:00.05 | astronut | ok, time for wirless |
| 18:00.39 | astronut | !2006 key |
| 18:00.39 | dpkg | from memory, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 18:01.30 | Maquiavelo | I'm using Debian Sarge 3.1 and amavis, and the process amavisd is gradually taking more and more memory. Any ideas why, or how to fix it? |
| 18:02.22 | ricky_clarkson | jabra: I've had a reasonably good experience recently with running one distro in a chroot from another. |
| 18:02.44 | astronut | stew: was it you running ipw2200? |
| 18:02.49 | ricky_clarkson | Debian is piss-easy to install that way. |
| 18:02.49 | astronut | is it in main or contrib? |
| 18:02.49 | DerJamster | Maquiavelo: sounds like a problem of amavis, not Debian |
| 18:02.50 | Maquiavelo | tido |
| 18:02.57 | ricky_clarkson | astronut: And me. |
| 18:03.04 | astronut | ricky_clarkson: oh, it was you |
| 18:03.09 | astronut | ricky_clarkson: -^ |
| 18:03.14 | ricky_clarkson | astronut: ipw2200 is in the 2.6.8 and above kernel. |
| 18:03.24 | Maquiavelo | DerJamster yea took it to them, but no answer, was wondering if anyone else had that issue since I'm using the amavis sarge package |
| 18:03.27 | stew | astronut: yes, all you should need to do is download firmware from ipw2200.sf.net ; you have driver 1.0.8 so you need firmware 2.4, put it in /lib/firmware then modprobe ipw2200 |
| 18:03.30 | ricky_clarkson | ..You still need the firmware from ipw2200.sf.net |
| 18:03.46 | astronut | stew: ah, sweet - i thought it was in m-a |
| 18:03.46 | stew | ricky_clarkson: its in 2.6.15 and above |
| 18:03.52 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Oops. |
| 18:04.06 | astronut | is there a .deb of the firmware? |
| 18:04.12 | stew | no |
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| 18:04.25 | ricky_clarkson | It's easy to install. That's the only bit I didn't fuck up. |
| 18:04.29 | stew | :) |
| 18:04.31 | astronut | that's funny, i thought ubuntu didn't ship firmware |
| 18:04.39 | astronut | because it worked off their live cd |
| 18:04.43 | astronut | are you sure i need it? |
| 18:04.47 | stew | positive |
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| 18:05.04 | stew | astronut: if you wanna check, modprobe ipw2200 ; and check dmesg |
| 18:05.04 | ricky_clarkson | Magic only works on Macs, sorry. |
| 18:05.05 | astronut | ok, downloading elinks |
| 18:05.12 | astronut | ricky_clarkson: heh |
| 18:05.36 | astronut | nothing in dmesg at all |
| 18:05.43 | driller- | is there a command wget --spider ? |
| 18:05.56 | astronut | ah, it must have already been in |
| 18:05.58 | stew | astronut: hrm |
| 18:05.59 | astronut | ok, does need firmware |
| 18:06.01 | astronut | weird |
| 18:06.06 | astronut | i rmmod and modprobed it, see the error |
| 18:06.19 | ricky_clarkson | I thought modprobe -r replaced modprobe. |
| 18:06.29 | stew | ricky_clarkson: modprobe -r is remove |
| 18:06.30 | ricky_clarkson | Er.. |
| 18:06.33 | driller- | is there a command wget --spider ? |
| 18:06.36 | ricky_clarkson | I thought modprobe -r replaced rmmod. |
| 18:06.43 | astronut | stew: had to get elinks first - reminds me of the quote by karl sagan - to bake a fresh apple pie you must first create the universe |
| 18:06.45 | ricky_clarkson | driller-: There is a wget command. man wget |
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| 18:07.18 | stew | ricky_clarkson: afaik modprobe -r uses rmmod but is willing to attempt to rmmod depending modules first |
| 18:09.42 | astronut | bingo |
| 18:09.45 | astronut | detected it |
| 18:09.50 | astronut | oh, forgot led=1 |
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| 18:10.46 | magyar | sid kde anyone? |
| 18:11.06 | magyar | kmix doesnt respond to "mute" |
| 18:12.18 | astronut | cool, wireless up |
| 18:13.34 | astronut | oh, led is working, sweet |
| 18:13.41 | astronut | note to self - intall thinkpad package |
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| 18:15.00 | abrotman | tpb ? |
| 18:15.05 | abrotman | !info tpb sarge |
| 18:15.19 | dpkg | tpb: (program to use the IBM ThinkPad(tm) special keys), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.6.3-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 244 kB |
| 18:15.33 | astronut | abrotman: i'm in etch |
| 18:15.37 | abrotman | !info tpb etch |
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| 18:15.48 | dpkg | tpb: (program to use the IBM ThinkPad(tm) special keys), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.6.4-2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 252 kB |
| 18:15.54 | astronut | also thinkpad-base |
| 18:16.14 | astronut | probably tpctl |
| 18:16.18 | astronut | and of course hdaps |
| 18:16.28 | astronut | joshk was having fun with that earlier |
| 18:16.49 | astronut | desktop-environment task installing now |
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| 18:17.35 | aargh | hello, is inkscape broken by the latest dist-upgrade in unstable? |
| 18:17.44 | aargh | !dpkg inkscape |
| 18:17.44 | dpkg | hmm... inkscape is an Open Source vector graphics editor, with capabilities similar to Illustrator, Freehand, CorelDraw, or Xara X using the W3C standard Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) file format -> http://www.inkscape.org/ |
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| 18:21.07 | insta` | Has anyone configured distcc before? Mine is failing with Connection refused / broken pipe, but I know that distcc is definitely running on the client |
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| 18:22.01 | abrotman | !btssmite aargh |
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| 18:22.42 | aargh | thanks abrotman, i needed that |
| 18:23.09 | sng | abrotman: I suck!! |
| 18:24.08 | insta` | ... or maybe have something for me to investigate? |
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| 18:27.50 | abrotman | sng: wek now this |
| 18:28.44 | mesut | is there a list that keeps latest versions of packages for ie etch |
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| 18:30.47 | mesut | hmm i see |
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| 18:33.15 | asdx | congrats germany! |
| 18:34.24 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 18:34.40 | blondie | indeed |
| 18:34.43 | abrotman | asdx: try #worldcup |
| 18:34.53 | blondie | football-- |
| 18:35.12 | blondie | (yes it's not called "soccer") |
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| 18:37.24 | Vooloo | is it possible to search and replace single characters in multiple files in one directory, if so how? |
| 18:37.27 | deadcat | asdx: most people here dont care about sports. |
| 18:37.44 | emmettshear | where can I get mkraid/raidstart/etc. ? |
| 18:37.54 | emmettshear | they don't seem to be installed on my sarge system |
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| 18:39.23 | jdv79 | hello |
| 18:39.41 | blondie | Vooloo: yes, using sed |
| 18:39.45 | jdv79 | are the updates in the main mirri? |
| 18:39.47 | jdv79 | mirror |
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| 18:42.30 | jdv79 | i created a local mirror of the main repo's stable dist |
| 18:42.48 | Bombo | is it 1. etch(unstable) 2. sid (testing) 3. sarge(stable) or 1. sid (unstable) 2. etch (testing) 3. sarge (stable) |
| 18:43.04 | jdv79 | but it seems to want security.debian.org as well... |
| 18:43.09 | Qball | blondie: depends on what you configurede in the mpd config |
| 18:43.30 | DerJamster | Bombo: the second |
| 18:43.41 | DerJamster | Bombo: sid's the unstable one, and always will be. |
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| 18:44.20 | Vasistha | Vooloo: that's an excellent question for #bash although I'd be happy to help you here or there |
| 18:44.41 | Bombo | DerJamster: ok so etch is testing, i'll try this one then, because the sarge netinst iso didn't boot on my system |
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| 18:46.02 | blondie | Qball: I eventually found the lists hidden away in the Browse Filesystem list :| |
| 18:46.07 | blondie | not a good place for them imo |
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| 18:46.39 | lewis | anything I have to be aware about if transferring databases from mysql4 to mysql5? |
| 18:46.40 | Vooloo | Vasistha: I tried sed's/å/å/g' but that instead of changin "wordåword" made it into "wordååword" .. |
| 18:46.54 | Qball | blondie: aah you ment in the gui, not on the fs |
| 18:46.55 | jdv79 | how come the updates are not in the main repo? |
| 18:47.02 | Qball | blondie: yes, that is kinda a mpd limitation |
| 18:47.26 | blondie | Qball: I don't think it is... playlists could be somewhere else |
| 18:47.52 | blondie | a thing on the left saying Playlists, and then them on the right |
| 18:47.53 | Qball | blondie: I am a mpd dev, and the gmpc author, trust me... there isn't a very better/clearer way todo it... |
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| 18:48.11 | Qball | blondie: if I want to fix it, I gonna do it right |
| 18:48.24 | blondie | Qball: mpd will give you a list of playlists... just move the list |
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| 18:48.25 | Vasistha | Vooloo: I don't have the proper irc character support to see what you're doing -- and indeed, you might be running into RE limitations with regards to non-englih character support. This is -really- a question for #bash ;-) |
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| 18:48.39 | Qball | blondie: that aren't all the playlists., that misses playlist in subdirectories. |
| 18:48.41 | Vasistha | *non-english |
| 18:48.42 | Qball | blondie: yes that is a bug |
| 18:49.23 | signuts | I am definitely doing something wrong, I'm trying to add azureus to my system, it looks like it's in the contib distribution according to packages.debian.org, I do apt-get update but still can't find it! |
| 18:49.23 | Vooloo | Vasistha: hmm ok, what about changing the file extension on several files in the same directory then? mv *.old *.html reports: mv: when moving multiple files, last argument must be a directory ? |
| 18:49.26 | roxy_ | Hi, I can boot my debian testing, could someone help me, I have access to busybox. |
| 18:49.35 | DerJamster | roxy_: help..with what? |
| 18:49.37 | roxy_ | s/can/cannot |
| 18:49.42 | DerJamster | ah :P |
| 18:49.51 | Vasistha | Vooloo: use the rename command, rename 's/\.old$/\.html/' *.old |
| 18:49.57 | Qball | blondie: I hope to have it slightly better in 0.15 |
| 18:50.14 | blondie | Qball: k |
| 18:50.14 | Vasistha | Vooloo: oops, don't need to escape the . before html |
| 18:50.22 | jjazz | signuts: IT's definitely in contrib. |
| 18:50.41 | signuts | jjazz, yeah .. it definitely is, but I can't get it installed |
| 18:50.44 | jjazz | signuts: did you do an apt-get update after editing your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:50.51 | signuts | jjazz, yes |
| 18:51.01 | Vooloo | Vasistha: nothing got renamed :P |
| 18:51.06 | jjazz | signuts: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list into a pastebin |
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| 18:51.30 | signuts | jjazz, http://rafb.net/paste/results/YAJhk825.html |
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| 18:51.39 | jdv79 | are there any docs on mirroring the updates? |
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| 18:52.16 | jjazz | signuts: Why do you have both testing and stable sources? |
| 18:52.24 | Vasistha | Vooloo: well you can use the rename -n option as a test-drive to see what rename will do... try that? |
| 18:52.38 | signuts | jjazz, I honestly don't know |
| 18:53.07 | Vasistha | Vooloo: there are a couple things there that could go wrong... the $ anchor, the accidental escape on \.html, the *.old glob |
| 18:53.17 | jjazz | signuts: Are you running testing or stable? |
| 18:53.32 | signuts | jjazz, initially stable, but I am running testing now |
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| 18:53.52 | Vooloo | Vasistha: isee |
| 18:53.57 | widrone | !beer caplink811-log |
| 18:54.12 | jjazz | signuts: OK. I'm going to give you a new /etc/apt/sources.list. Save your old one as a backup (mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.old) |
| 18:54.52 | jjazz | signuts: Do you want non-free packages? |
| 18:54.54 | signuts | jjazz, I stripped out all the stable dists, that should suffice, it seems to work after doing that |
| 18:55.08 | jjazz | signuts: You can install azureus now? |
| 18:55.10 | signuts | jjazz, non-free, Heck no :) |
| 18:55.14 | jjazz | ok |
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| 18:55.26 | signuts | jjazz, yeah on my merry way. didn't know the two stable and testing couldn't co-exist. |
| 18:55.45 | Vasistha | Vooloo: but doing the rename with -n will give you all kinds of wonderful warnings. But if it just responds with nothing, I wonder what ls *.old would output |
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| 18:55.58 | jjazz | signuts: Frankly, neither did I, but then again I've never tried to mix them as it can only lead to trouble, doom and damnation. |
| 18:55.59 | abrotman | hi nvz |
| 18:56.03 | nvz | hello #debians :) |
| 18:56.04 | roxy_ | When booting, I got a message: Waiting for root file system, then after a long time: alert /dev/hdd1 does not exist. drpping to a hell |
| 18:56.20 | nvz | abrotman: whats up brother man? |
| 18:56.25 | jjazz | roxy_: Your computer is obviously possessed. |
| 18:56.36 | nvz | abrotman = a brother man |
| 18:56.37 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:57.09 | roxy_ | jjazz, :-) |
| 18:57.25 | abrotman | nvz: hi |
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| 18:57.39 | caplink811-log | cheers |
| 18:57.50 | nvz | I got my little network issue figured out.. apperently there is something wrong with giving that one pc the address of 10.0.0.1 even though it was working for a day or two. cause when I changed it to 10.0.0.3 it worked again |
| 18:58.07 | lewis | anything I have to be aware about if transferring databases from mysql4 to mysql5? |
| 18:58.30 | roxy_ | jjazz: could you help me by any chance? (I am using testing) |
| 18:58.35 | jjazz | lewis: Make backups. |
| 18:58.36 | signuts | jjazz, thx a ton |
| 18:58.39 | nvz | if I can find a better job or get my boss to pay me in cash instead of pesos I will get some internet at home |
| 18:58.40 | jjazz | signuts: np |
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| 18:59.15 | lewis | jjazz: ok - thanks |
| 18:59.18 | jjazz | roxy_: I cannot help you, sorry. Try a priest. |
| 19:00.33 | kolibrie | I have two debian-unstable boxes with the same libXfont.so.1.4.1. One starts X no problem, the other hangs on a blank screen. The only errors I see in Xorg.0.log indicate: dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libfreetype.so: undefined symbol: FreeTypeRegisterFontFileFunctions |
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| 19:01.20 | kolibrie | I'd like to know which files to pull from the one to the other box to fix the broken one |
| 19:01.24 | nvz | he must think I am a mexican refugee or something. I didnt even answer the phone when he called me this morning. if he thinks I am gonna roof and side all them buildings for him by the end of july for what I am making so he can make 10 grand and go on vacation leaving me broke and starving he's nuts. I figured I'd give him some time to reflect on how much I am worth to him while he's... |
| 19:01.25 | nvz | ...building decks today and nobodys getting that roof done I've been working on by myself :P |
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| 19:02.11 | nvz | what kind of simple problems do we have in here today that I can solve while I am not sweating it out on the roof? |
| 19:04.09 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:04.37 | nvz | :) |
| 19:04.56 | signuts | how about how my azureus just hangs |
| 19:04.59 | signuts | =) |
| 19:05.18 | abrotman | get a new freaking app |
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| 19:05.49 | Ronin | new toy abrotman ? |
| 19:05.58 | abrotman | me? |
| 19:05.59 | roxy_ | nvz,: you can help me :-) |
| 19:06.01 | signuts | abrotman, what's the new one? |
| 19:06.06 | abrotman | Ronin: i got a mac .. but no input devices! |
| 19:06.08 | abrotman | signuts: for what? |
| 19:06.19 | signuts | abrotman, oh, I misread, nvm |
| 19:07.04 | nvz | roxy_: nothing is comming to mind there.. can you give any more background info like the kernel version or anything you may have done since it was last working.. kernel or software updates.. hardware changes.. relocation..etc |
| 19:07.43 | abrotman | signuts: eh ? |
| 19:08.12 | nvz | abrotman: pity. I bet you laught at those commercials with the mac and the pc then.. heh |
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| 19:08.22 | gurkan | apt popcon |
| 19:08.25 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:08.30 | roxy_ | nvz: no hardware change. I do aptitude update/upgrade frequently, but didn't reboot for a while. It is 2.6 kernel using udev |
| 19:08.51 | roxy_ | I am in busybox shell |
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| 19:09.02 | abrotman | nvz: eh .. it's to put linux on :) |
| 19:09.13 | abrotman | nvz: i got one a refurbed PPC mini :) |
| 19:09.21 | nvz | roxy_: well what about detailed infor on the hardware in question then.. type of drive you got.. whats on it.. is it regular internal ide linux only filesystems ext2/3? |
| 19:09.39 | gurkan | abrotman: bitch! |
| 19:09.50 | abrotman | aye |
| 19:09.54 | nvz | abrotman: yeah but without input devices you are very limited to how you can interact with it much less put linux on it |
| 19:10.06 | abrotman | nvz: i just need to get a PS/2->USB converter |
| 19:10.22 | kspath | abrotman: Just get a HHK. |
| 19:10.41 | nvz | abrotman: yeah but the commercials say mac works with everything.. heh like that new japanese camera |
| 19:10.54 | Phati | how can i set nano to my default editor? |
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| 19:11.04 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. but i don't care .. it's for linux |
| 19:11.13 | kspath | Phati: EDITOR ? |
| 19:11.16 | nvz | abrotman: I guess its like the old "Universal Business Adapter" commercial IBM had.. "you'll need and adapter for that" |
| 19:11.17 | Phati | that nano is opend when i type "crontab -e" |
| 19:11.23 | roxy_ | nvz: amd64 using i386 debian. all ext3 file system, ide hdd |
| 19:11.31 | ricky_clarkson | Phati: update-alternatives --config sensible-editor |
| 19:11.37 | ricky_clarkson | I might have missed an "=" |
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| 19:12.03 | roxy_ | nvz: hdd is maxtor |
| 19:12.05 | ricky_clarkson | Phati: There is an issue with using vim with crontab, if that's what you want, see :help crontab in vim. |
| 19:12.13 | nvz | roxy_: and hdd1 is your root filesystem? |
| 19:12.18 | deadcat | can i remove the /etc/locale.gen file? |
| 19:12.22 | roxy_ | nvz: yes |
| 19:12.38 | kspath | abrotman: http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/en/hhkeyboard/ |
| 19:13.06 | nvz | roxy_: sounds like classic case of udev breakage that you incurred at some unknown update interval and didnt notice until you rebooted. |
| 19:14.01 | SerajewelKS | am i the only one who frequently mistypes httpd.apache.org as apache.httpd.org? |
| 19:14.29 | abrotman | kspath: i have a better keyboard |
| 19:14.32 | nvz | roxy_: maybe you should try a chroot rescue scenario and see if you cant pull some more recent updates or at least eliminate some variables like udev or change kernels for now just to get the machine booted on its own again. will be easier to work on when it can boot properly. |
| 19:14.49 | kspath | !bssmite abrotman |
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| 19:15.56 | nvz | roxy_: dont let you need or desire to use udev get in the way of your system functioning at this point.. if its being a bitch ditch it get the machine back on its feet then try figuring out what went wrong with udev |
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| 19:16.02 | abrotman | kspath: http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=-840&storeId=1&langId=-1&dualCurrId=73&categoryId=4611686018425010106&productId=4611686018425150029 |
| 19:16.26 | kspath | abrotman: hindi or gujarti on that keyboard? |
| 19:16.29 | abrotman | kspath: basically an M20 with a nubbie in the middle |
| 19:16.54 | whitehorse1 | Outstanding bugs -- Normal bugs; Unclassified (11 bugs) |
| 19:16.54 | whitehorse1 | #189553: kdesktop_lock dies and won't allow the screen to lock |
| 19:16.55 | whitehorse1 | Package: kdesktop (4:3.1.1-1, 4:3.1.3-1, kdesktop 4:3.5.1-1); Reported by: "Anthony L. Awtrey" <tony@idealcorp.com>; 3 years and 53 days old. |
| 19:16.56 | whitehorse1 | #193448: kdesktop: /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/DesktopLi |
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| 19:17.06 | abrotman | yay |
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| 19:17.36 | SerajewelKS | hrm is there some sort of per-user version of /etc/hosts? |
| 19:17.37 | nvz | thats one way to become unpopular in #debian |
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| 19:17.53 | SerajewelKS | i want to override one domain while i set it up for my user only |
| 19:18.06 | gurkan | can gimp in sid write gifs now? the one from main? |
| 19:18.10 | nvz | posting 3 year old kde bug summeries on 4 lines |
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| 19:18.17 | whitehorse1 | nvz: understandably. as an accident though it hopefully shan't happen again real soon. |
| 19:18.20 | kspath | SerajewelKS: chroot shell with it's own /etc/hosts |
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| 19:18.25 | kspath | SerajewelKS: ? |
| 19:18.34 | gurkan | SerajewelKS: yes i'll write some tool for LD_PRELOAD |
| 19:18.39 | SerajewelKS | kspath: meh true, was hoping for something quick and clean |
| 19:18.43 | gurkan | SerajewelKS: overriding open() and fopen() |
| 19:18.49 | nvz | whitehorse1: *nod* I like the paste protection irssi has. prevents accidental disasters |
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| 19:18.58 | SerajewelKS | gurkan: actually it would be gethostbyname(), but yeah i was considering doing that too |
| 19:19.13 | gurkan | SerajewelKS: great i need such tool too, you write it, i test it? |
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| 19:19.20 | nvz | unfortunatly I am on chatzilla/firefox WinXP SP2 right now though *shudder* |
| 19:19.32 | kspath | SerajewelKS: How is chroot not quick and clean? |
| 19:19.37 | SerajewelKS | gurkan: well i don't really need it that bad, editing /etc/hosts would be a lot easier. but yeah i might give it a shot. |
| 19:19.44 | whitehorse1 | nvz: I'd actually been intended to ask for advice which pkg to file a new bug against in BTS. decided might be better to join #debian-kde & so copied+pasted unsent text...not very well *g*. I'll have to look into irssi, thanks. |
| 19:20.01 | SerajewelKS | kspath: because then i have to link half of my system into the chroot dir. it requires quite a bit of work for the payoff. |
| 19:20.32 | gurkan | SerajewelKS: i need it badly for www.linuks.mine.nu/uapt/ |
| 19:20.50 | SerajewelKS | gurkan: i'm not even sure if catching open() would work. gethostbyname() or some subcall will almost certainly be executed inside libc (or possibly even the kernel), so i'm not sure if the open() would get caught by the preload. |
| 19:21.10 | nvz | whitehorse1: seems if you are having a problem with the lock fucntion of kdesktop its very likely a problem in kdesktop I would read the bug and compare it to my situation and if I had more details to add I would append the bug report with updated information |
| 19:21.25 | zinx | SerajewelKS: catching open() works, with some caveats |
| 19:21.31 | SerajewelKS | gurkan: problem is that we'd need to override gethostbyname() and gethostent() (or whatever it's called) and they use very complicated and confusing structs, so i will probably have limited success |
| 19:21.46 | zinx | SerajewelKS: namely, that it's often a macro (but it still goes to libc) |
| 19:21.46 | SerajewelKS | zinx: for catching an open to /etc/hosts? |
| 19:21.55 | zinx | SerajewelKS: yeah |
| 19:22.03 | SerajewelKS | zinx: by whatever part of the system normally opens that file, of course... |
| 19:22.17 | zinx | SerajewelKS: libc, and libc provides functions for system calls |
| 19:22.31 | nvz | whitehorse1: talking to people in #kde never hurts either.. but realize they often have fixed these issues upstream and are aggrivated by people like us debians who have not yet embraced the updates and still want to bitch about them. |
| 19:22.33 | zinx | SerajewelKS: nsswitch (part of libc) or some such handles /etc/hosts |
| 19:22.42 | SerajewelKS | gurkan: GIMP in testing seems able to write GIFs |
| 19:22.49 | gurkan | SerajewelKS: so does sid one... |
| 19:23.05 | nvz | whitehorse1: my advice is to try and get as much info about the problem as you can from them without sounding like you are whining or blaming them or the kde developers :P |
| 19:23.08 | zinx | SerajewelKS: it might be neccesary to make a nsswitch passthrough (which can be loaded via LD_PRELOAD) rather than do an LD_PRELOAD of course |
| 19:23.10 | SerajewelKS | gurkan: of course the sid one is either identical or newer |
| 19:23.32 | SerajewelKS | zinx: nsswitch? |
| 19:23.44 | gurkan | SerajewelKS: yes i know :) |
| 19:23.48 | zinx | SerajewelKS: /lib/libnss* |
| 19:23.49 | kspath | SerajewelKS: man nsswitch.conf |
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| 19:24.13 | SerajewelKS | oh, hrm interesting |
| 19:24.17 | zinx | SerajewelKS: the one that opens /etc/hosts is libnss_files, i think |
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| 19:25.41 | whitehorse1 | nvz: mm, it's toolbar-related rather than kdesktop-related. the pasting was both accidental and random! i did search the kde zilla earlier, tho something may be filed with non-obvious terms for searching on. good tip about asking in #kde - thank you kindly. I'll do that. :) |
| 19:26.47 | kevinv | quick question about the Gavis PC Gamepad plugged into a gameport, how to get it to work under Debian. I can't seem to find the /dev/input/js0 device node. I modprobe'd the modules that were needed and dmesg shows nothing on the gamepad. Any ideas? |
| 19:27.13 | zinx | kevinv: is it plugged in to a game port? |
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| 19:27.39 | kevinv | zinx: yes |
| 19:27.44 | nvz | I've found the #kde people to know thier stuff quite well but as I have said they dont much care for debian users cause they are more often than not found bitching about things that the kde developers have already addressed and the debian maintainers have not been able to properly roll back into debian's repos |
| 19:27.58 | zinx | kevinv: you probably need the gameport driver - either ns558, or your sound drivers (ALSA has some weird stuff on some, where the joystick port is disabled by default, and enabled by either a module option or a mixer setting) |
| 19:28.32 | kevinv | My sound card is a cmipci, if this helps. the gameport is plugged into this. |
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| 19:29.11 | zinx | kevinv: sadly, i do not know about all sound cards |
| 19:29.13 | kevinv | thanks zinx, I'll check my ALSA configuration files. |
| 19:29.54 | zinx | kevinv: check 'amixer controls' and modinfo <name of alsa module; should start with snd-> |
| 19:30.05 | zinx | kevinv: you may want to type /sbin/modinfo instead (it works as non-root) |
| 19:30.33 | zinx | kevinv: try modprobe ns558 if you don't see anything there |
| 19:31.07 | zinx | kevinv: it should list the port and the controller in dmesg; but you still may not have /dev/input/js*; you need 'joydev' loaded for that |
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| 19:31.45 | kevinv | joydev loads at bootup(detected by hotplug) |
| 19:32.05 | kevinv | zinx: hotplug even detects gameport. |
| 19:32.15 | zinx | kevinv: gameport is something else |
| 19:32.16 | nvz | nothing in /sbin/ should really work as non-root unless its suid and that doesnt sound like a good thing in most cases |
| 19:32.26 | zinx | kevinv: but also required |
| 19:32.30 | blaylock | anyone know of a place to find english net radio of the world cup? |
| 19:32.37 | kevinv | zinx: but those were detected before I even bought the gamepad. |
| 19:32.42 | zinx | kevinv: yes |
| 19:32.58 | nvz | blaylock: dont you know how to google? :P |
| 19:33.12 | blaylock | dont you think ive already done that? |
| 19:33.18 | kevinv | zinx: amixer controls doesn't have a joystick control. |
| 19:33.28 | Ronin | blaylock: #worlcup pperhaps? |
| 19:33.35 | Ronin | umm #worldcup even |
| 19:33.42 | nvz | blaylock: nope. if you thought that was ontopic here I figured you werent clever enough to have tried it |
| 19:33.43 | SerajewelKS | wow i'm psychic or something. the new default global shortcuts in amarok are exactly what i had set them to in the previous release. |
| 19:34.00 | roler | there are certain chars in my gnome-terminal which aren't being shown, but I know my font can handle it. Is that a locale? How can I change mine? |
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| 19:34.21 | nvz | SerajewelKS: the devs are spying on you |
| 19:34.34 | zinx | kevinv: check /sbin/modinfo <name of driver> and load ns558 if it's not there, then, as i said |
| 19:34.36 | SerajewelKS | nvz: <_< |
| 19:34.55 | blaylock | nvz, so instead you've decided to waste your time with a dumb ass flame |
| 19:35.04 | blaylock | nvz, nice job |
| 19:35.15 | kevinv | zinx: I already have ns558 loaded, nothing was displayed. |
| 19:35.24 | zinx | kevinv: ah, ok |
| 19:35.26 | SerajewelKS | is there a tar option that will strip the first N elements of the path off? i can't seem to find one in the manpage, and 'tar -zxf foo.tar.gz; mv */* .' gets old fast |
| 19:35.35 | nvz | blaylock: I found world cup podcasts on the first page |
| 19:35.47 | zinx | kevinv: try modprobe analog |
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| 19:36.03 | blaylock | podcasts dude |
| 19:36.05 | kevinv | zinx: already did that as well, this is why I came here, I am confused. |
| 19:36.07 | blaylock | i want live |
| 19:36.19 | zinx | kevinv: try modprobe grip :D |
| 19:36.27 | zinx | kevinv: there are a lot of ones it could be |
| 19:36.35 | blaylock | i dont want to wait for the shit to end, and then listen to it |
| 19:36.37 | kevinv | zinx: I might give it a shot in win to make sure it's not a hardware flaw, that module is also loaded as well. |
| 19:36.38 | blaylock | thats retarted |
| 19:37.03 | zinx | kevinv: hum |
| 19:37.08 | zinx | kevinv: try dmesg | grep gameport |
| 19:37.14 | zinx | kevinv: in should list one |
| 19:37.15 | zinx | erh, it |
| 19:37.25 | nvz | blaylock: yeah well adding "live" to my search string brings up www.penguinradio.com/sports/soccer/worldcup/ on the 2nd result |
| 19:37.30 | zinx | kevinv: something like gameport: ES137x is pci0000:05:06.0/gameport0, io 0x200, speed 902kHz |
| 19:37.33 | kevinv | nothing for that grep in dmesg |
| 19:37.47 | blaylock | nvz, yup already been there too |
| 19:37.52 | blaylock | nvz, no live stuff |
| 19:38.13 | zinx | kevinv: if it's an integrated sound card, you may have an option in the bios to enable/disable the game/midi port |
| 19:38.23 | nvz | blaylock: socceraudio.com? |
| 19:38.24 | blaylock | nvz, "Generally, you CANNOT LISTEN online to the World Cup, with many many exceptions." |
| 19:38.27 | kevinv | Maybe I should try the stable debian instead of testing :D |
| 19:38.31 | blaylock | nvz, there you go |
| 19:38.40 | zinx | kevinv: probably wouldn't make much difference for this |
| 19:38.41 | blaylock | nvz, nope not that one either |
| 19:38.49 | kevinv | No, it's a PCI sound card, I have my internal one disabled. |
| 19:39.00 | roxy_ | nvz: I booted into knoppix. What can I do now? |
| 19:39.04 | zinx | kevinv: might try disabling the internal gameport |
| 19:39.11 | Ronin | blaylock: so then try #worldcup for crying out loud |
| 19:39.22 | zinx | kevinv: it's possible they're conflicting, or that the PCI one has chosen a different port |
| 19:39.22 | Ronin | if anyone knows they may |
| 19:39.39 | blaylock | why does everyone in here go crazy on an off topic question |
| 19:39.43 | blaylock | fucking A |
| 19:39.45 | kevinv | I'll give that a check, 1 sec. First I'll try my onboard gameport... |
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| 19:40.02 | nvz | roxy_: well I would assuming udev is responsible mount and chroot to my filesystem and try disabling it just to get my system to boot again |
| 19:40.20 | SerajewelKS | blaylock: in most cases it's distracting noise |
| 19:40.37 | nvz | roxy_: if it boots fine with normal dev, then I would try updating and fixing the udev issue from there |
| 19:40.39 | blaylock | so then dont answer |
| 19:40.47 | Ronin | so then dont ask in the first place |
| 19:40.49 | blaylock | ill eventually move on |
| 19:41.00 | kevinv | zinx: plugged into the onboard on, still nothing. |
| 19:41.08 | blaylock | but if i get flamed, it just makes me want to run my lip even more |
| 19:41.13 | zinx | kevinv: i'm not surprised; as far as i can tell it's not detecting your gameport |
| 19:41.23 | SerajewelKS | blaylock: you'd be surprised how many people don't stop. it's not personal. |
| 19:41.27 | zinx | kevinv: (either of them) |
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| 19:41.51 | zinx | kevinv: by the way.. you know you can use both sound cards right? |
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| 19:42.28 | sirius | Alright another full night of Trying to get my flgrx driver :D |
| 19:42.31 | zinx | kevinv: probably need to twiddle some stuff in /etc/modprobe.d so they don't swap places, but other than that it's easy |
| 19:42.31 | kevinv | zinx: yes, but what would be the purpose? I only have one set of speakers and one mic. |
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| 19:42.46 | jair_ | guys I can install a second hard drive in debian using cfdisk or fdisk either one right? |
| 19:42.46 | zinx | kevinv: *shrug* |
| 19:42.49 | davs | sirius: what hardware? |
| 19:42.50 | blaylock | SerajewelKS, well im not a dick or anything....i just think its rediculous to flame someone for a simple questions |
| 19:42.55 | zinx | kevinv: maybe one of the ports would work? :D |
| 19:42.56 | sirius | davs: Ati X800 |
| 19:43.00 | blaylock | *question |
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| 19:43.30 | davs | sirius: what version of fglrx? |
| 19:43.30 | zinx | kevinv: honestly, i think i'd prefer onboard sound to a C-Media card |
| 19:43.32 | jair_ | I am trying to find a good tutotrial, that explain about how to add the second hdb on the machine and fstab as well. |
| 19:43.42 | sirius | davs: anyone that will work i will be happy with lol |
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| 19:44.08 | sirius | davs: i just want to be able to use 3d accel for my games so i can use cedega |
| 19:44.08 | zinx | kevinv: i had an onboard ac'97 with a C-Media chip... didn't have any volume control whatsoever; it was *supposed* to have master volume, but due to manufacturing error that didn't work. |
| 19:44.36 | kevinv | zinx: my onboard is crap, it's an essolo1 to much static on high volumes, my C-Media sound card works better then my onboard. |
| 19:44.37 | davs | sirius: i was asking because 8.25.18 has some nasty bugs for older hardware.. 8.14 or 8.24 should work.. |
| 19:44.46 | davs | which have you tried? |
| 19:44.52 | zinx | kevinv: you may try muting the channels you're not using |
| 19:45.00 | sirius | Davs: i think ive tried the newset versions |
| 19:45.04 | Tassium | jair_: What is it you're trying to do? I missed it. |
| 19:45.10 | zinx | kevinv: aux, line, and so on |
| 19:45.23 | kevinv | zinx: does alsa have any joystick modules? |
| 19:45.25 | sirius | davs: what i need first is help trying to clear all the fglrx junk out first then if you dont mind helping maybe i can install a older version |
| 19:45.26 | zinx | kevinv: no |
| 19:45.29 | nvz | yeah the cd line is notorious for causing a hiss on many systems |
| 19:45.33 | zinx | kevinv: but some sound drivers have joystick support in them |
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| 19:46.00 | kevinv | line from modprobe: gameport 14216 4 ns558,analog,grip,snd_cmipci |
| 19:46.04 | zinx | kevinv: the snd-ens1370 one for instance has an option 'joystick:Enable joystick.' |
| 19:46.12 | roler | there are certain chars in my gnome-terminal which aren't being shown, but I know my font can handle it. Is that a locale? How can I change mine? |
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| 19:46.37 | davs | sirius: join #ati. i'll help you there since the prob is most likely fglrx related, not debian.. |
| 19:46.40 | zinx | kevinv: the kernel will say the gameport was found if one was found |
| 19:46.49 | zinx | kevinv: the modules will not fail to load if nothing is found any more |
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| 19:46.59 | kevinv | zinx: I don't see any joystick options in my /etc/modprobe.d/sound configuration. |
| 19:47.19 | abrotman | you keep joystick options in your sound file ? |
| 19:47.21 | zinx | kevinv: no, you'd have to add them.. modinfo would have told you if there were an option, though. |
| 19:47.28 | sanders | A botched upgrade with the Smart Package Manager on Sid has left 37 broken packages on my system. I tried to fix them in apt, but it wants to uninstall about 100 essential packages to do it. How else can I fix them? |
| 19:48.01 | sid | sander_: apt-get -d install; then cd /var/cache/apt/archives; dpkg -i --force-all *deb; |
| 19:48.04 | abrotman | paste the error .. let's see |
| 19:48.07 | sid | At least that's how I would do it sander_; |
| 19:48.19 | sanders | I'll give it a try |
| 19:48.36 | abrotman | i'd rather see the error before telling someone to do some wacky command .. but hey .. what do i konw |
| 19:48.39 | sanders | ? Is it a bad idea? |
| 19:48.39 | kevinv | modinfo cmpci: joystick_port:Joystick port address. (array of int) |
| 19:48.41 | abrotman | certainly not how to type |
| 19:48.42 | sid | That's fixed broken dependencies/broken packages many times for me. |
| 19:48.49 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 19:48.49 | dpkg | [debstats] managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 19:49.00 | sanders | abrotman: Which error would you like to see? |
| 19:49.27 | nvz | sid: you might be what some would call a one trick pony |
| 19:49.33 | zinx | kevinv: guess there is one :x |
| 19:49.38 | sanders | abrotman: The list of broken packages? How apt is trying to fix them? |
| 19:49.48 | SerajewelKS | if have the most bizarre knack for being incapable of creating a secure password when it matters, but when installing wordpress on my local box i can create the most bulletproof MySQL password that nobody will even get a chance at bruteforcing. |
| 19:49.50 | zinx | kevinv: does it also have an option to enable it? |
| 19:50.05 | jair_ | Tassium: I am just trying to see if is possible to configure a second hard drive i debian using cfdisk, instead fdisk? |
| 19:50.08 | abrotman | sanders: the output of `apt-get -f install` |
| 19:50.08 | nvz | I thought my cousin who uses windows the scanreg /restore command on win98 many years ago and he would always try use that to fix every single problem.. thats a one trick pony |
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| 19:50.19 | kevinv | zinx: where would that option be? |
| 19:50.26 | nvz | you try something that often fixes things without understanding the problem or the solution |
| 19:50.47 | sanders | abrotman: COming up |
| 19:50.52 | zinx | kevinv: seems to be in the mixer |
| 19:51.00 | zinx | kevinv: amixer controls | grep -i joy |
| 19:51.05 | Morden | what does this "/29" mean in when I whois the IP 211.75.16.204 and get this as result: 211.75.16.200/29 |
| 19:51.20 | blondie | it's the range of IP addresses |
| 19:51.29 | kevinv | zinx: nope amixer returns nothing. |
| 19:51.36 | zinx | kevinv: amixer controls? |
| 19:51.37 | stew | Morden: it means a netmask of 255.255.255.240 |
| 19:51.38 | Morden | thsi means it goes from 211.x.x.200 to 211.x.x.229 ? |
| 19:51.54 | jair_ | I am looking for a nice tutorial that esplain about addigna second hard drive to debian sarge. |
| 19:51.57 | blondie | Morden: no |
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| 19:52.08 | sanders | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/770674 |
| 19:52.09 | stew | Morden: ipcalc will help you with this stuff |
| 19:52.19 | zinx | kevinv: it is very important that you put the 'controls' |
| 19:52.22 | kevinv | zinx: yup, amixer controls doesn't have a joystick option. I am beginning to wish it did tho. |
| 19:52.22 | Morden | stew: what is ipcalc? |
| 19:52.27 | zinx | kevinv: :X |
| 19:52.34 | Vasistha | jair_: what do you need the hard drive for? |
| 19:52.38 | zinx | kevinv: they changed it, then |
| 19:52.42 | nvz | jair_: ever seen a glade air freshener commercial? |
| 19:52.47 | zinx | kevinv: here's an (apparently old) page: http://opensrc.org/alsa/index.php?page=cmipci |
| 19:52.53 | stew | Morden: a utility the helps you do stuff like calculate ip ranges from netmask and vice versa |
| 19:53.06 | nvz | jair_: their jingle goes something like "plug it in, plug it in" |
| 19:53.11 | stew | Morden: install it and run "ipcalc 211.75.16.200/29" |
| 19:53.36 | jair_ | haha |
| 19:53.45 | Morden | stew: hmmm, but why don't I get the block rang for this IP address? |
| 19:53.57 | stew | Morden: what do you mean? |
| 19:54.09 | abrotman | sanders: IMO .. if you have no good reason to up grade today .. wait a few days |
| 19:54.11 | zinx | kevinv: oh |
| 19:54.15 | zinx | kevinv: joystick_port isn't the port |
| 19:54.21 | zinx | kevinv: it's the enable |
| 19:54.22 | jair_ | Vasistha: I want to have this hard drive for the installation of two OS HPUX and the other one RedHat but I have installed as my first OS debian |
| 19:54.28 | sanders | abrotman, What do you mean wait? What will cahnge? |
| 19:54.28 | Morden | stew: normally when I whois an ip address I get the block range for this ISP... e.g. he has IPs from 211.75.164.0 - 211.75.164.255 |
| 19:54.29 | zinx | kevinv: so put joystick_port=1 |
| 19:54.34 | abrotman | sanders: the -dev packages aren't really a concern .. it's the rest ... |
| 19:54.45 | abrotman | sanders: the packages may get recompiled .. which is what i think is causing the issue |
| 19:54.50 | Morden | stew: why does there just this single IP address appear and what is that netmask info for? |
| 19:54.57 | abrotman | sanders: this is unstable right ? |
| 19:55.04 | sanders | abrotman, Yes, unstable |
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| 19:55.18 | streuner | Morden: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//networking-concepts-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 19:55.19 | kevinv | zinx: wait, I do see a modem in the controls. |
| 19:55.23 | abrotman | sanders: yeah .. wait a few days if you can |
| 19:55.37 | zinx | kevinv: it's joystick_port=1 :D |
| 19:55.42 | sanders | abrotman, They're broken packages, though, why will having new packages uploaded help? I must be missing something fairly obvious... |
| 19:55.49 | stew | Morden: its just another way of conveying the same information. "211.75.164.0 - 211.75.164.255" and "211.75.164.0/24" are equivalant |
| 19:55.50 | zinx | kevinv: ALSA moved the joystick stuff out of the mixer at one point for many cards |
| 19:55.55 | sanders | abrotman, I have no problem waiting if it will help. |
| 19:55.55 | kevinv | zinx: that pages talks about joystick and modem. well I don't have a modem, but a joystick, I'll try enabling that. |
| 19:56.04 | abrotman | sanders: i'd guess they need recompiled with the new gcc .. though i don't run unstable .. it's just a hunch |
| 19:56.28 | zinx | kevinv: you need to put joystick_port=1 in the snd-cmipci module's options |
| 19:56.33 | Morden | stew: In my case I got a /29 and not a /24 |
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| 19:57.16 | stew | Morden: /29 is 8 addresses (2^(32-29)) whereas /24 is 256 addresses (2^(32-24)) |
| 19:57.38 | abrotman | sanders: you're welcome to get a second opinion |
| 19:57.47 | abrotman | i won't be offended :) |
| 19:57.51 | kevinv | zinx: ok it's added, how do i force alsa to re-read the configuration? |
| 19:58.05 | sanders | abrotman, I just apt-get updated and apt-get f... gives very different results, I'm inclined to believe you. |
| 19:58.16 | roxy_ | nvz: I am chrooted now, what can I do ? |
| 19:58.17 | abrotman | sanders: paste the new errors ? |
| 19:58.22 | sanders | Sure |
| 19:58.24 | zinx | kevinv: for joystick_port=1? you have to unload/load the module |
| 19:58.24 | Vasistha | jair_: just curious... why do you need four operating systems on this computer?? Well, no matter, grub can handle it. I don't really know how the other OS's handle installing to the second hard drive, but you can certainly use cfdisk to partition the disk in debian |
| 19:58.46 | nvz | roxy_: remove udev, build a regular dev if needed with MAKEDEV and try rebooting would be my best guess |
| 19:58.50 | Morden | stew: I'm totally lost ^^ |
| 19:59.03 | zinx | kevinv: and you have to have run update-modules too |
| 19:59.13 | sanders | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/770690 |
| 19:59.21 | stew | Morden: do you know what a netmask is? |
| 19:59.30 | zinx | kevinv: assuming you modified /etc/modprobe.d/<something> to have joystick_port=1 for snd-cmipci |
| 19:59.32 | Morden | stew: not really ^^ |
| 19:59.41 | abrotman | sanders: that looks much much better .. just removing themes |
| 20:00.00 | sanders | abrotman, I believe those themes are now part of a diferent package, which is being insatlled. |
| 20:00.09 | sanders | abrotman, Do you reccomend I go ahead with apt-get f... |
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| 20:00.33 | davs | can grub boot vista beta2? |
| 20:00.34 | abrotman | sanders: eh .. i don't see them .. but it's possible .. but i don't see anything wrong with letting that apt-get -f install process |
| 20:00.47 | stew | Morden: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netmask |
| 20:00.53 | jair_ | wow! I think I know that I am looking for a good tutorial |
| 20:01.02 | sanders | abrotman, The following NEW packages will be installed: ...gtk2-engines.... |
| 20:01.13 | stew | Morden: if all you want to know is the range of IPs that its referring to, run |
| 20:01.18 | abrotman | sanders: ah .. ok .. sure why not .. what's the worst that happens .. it breaks :) |
| 20:01.28 | stew | Morden: ...run "ipcalc 211.75.16.200/29" |
| 20:01.29 | sanders | abrotman, True, thanks very much for your advice. |
| 20:01.35 | kevinv | zinx: 1 sec, the modules in use, modprobe -r cmipci returns this. |
| 20:01.44 | abrotman | sid: see .. that's why we look at errors before doing weird things :) |
| 20:02.05 | zinx | kevinv: yeah, you have a mixer or program using the sound card.. possibly a sound daemon |
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| 20:02.10 | pingouin | how can i get openoffice 2.0.2 on openoffice.org, there is...only rpm to download ?! |
| 20:02.21 | stew | pingouin: rpm? are you running debian? |
| 20:02.26 | pingouin | stew: yep |
| 20:02.27 | kevinv | I am currently using XFCE :D |
| 20:02.29 | abrotman | pingouin: what version of debian ? |
| 20:02.40 | pingouin | sarge/stable |
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| 20:02.45 | abrotman | pingouin: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:02.58 | pingouin | ok i go thanks you for clue |
| 20:03.12 | roxy_ | nvz: "aptitude remove udev" wants to remove 407 packages, and initramfs-tools has unmet depenencies... |
| 20:03.24 | Morden | stew: I just run it: http://pastebin.com/770700 - so it runs unti this: Broadcast: 211.75.16.207 ? |
| 20:03.28 | zinx | kevinv: you can always reboot :/ |
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| 20:03.35 | hjubal | hi |
| 20:03.37 | zinx | kevinv: but, something's using the sound card, or some piece of it |
| 20:03.38 | nvz | roxy_: :/ |
| 20:03.48 | kevinv | zinx: brb, when I setup alsa via alsaconf it closed it's panel and session manager, I'll logout for a sec, but not rebooting :P |
| 20:04.34 | stew | Morden: the range is 200-207, 200 is the network address and 207 is the broadcast address (those addresses are usually unusable by hosts) |
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| 20:04.48 | roxy_ | nvz: well, I shouldn't use testing if I wanted a stable system :-) |
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| 20:05.32 | Morden | stew: so the broadcast address shows where the block ends? |
| 20:06.08 | stew | Morden: yes, traditionally the first ip is the network and the last is the broadcast |
| 20:06.19 | Morden | stew: thx :) |
| 20:06.22 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 20:06.24 | AlexCTI | Hi everyone, Someone familiar with the compiler make? |
| 20:06.36 | nvz | roxy_: indeed |
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| 20:06.51 | blondie | AlexCTI: make isn't a compiler... |
| 20:06.55 | nvz | roxy_: can you apt-get update from there? maybe the latest updates will fix it |
| 20:06.58 | Seb | anyone getting "Warning: Unable to load any usable ISO8859 font" with an up-to-date sid when starting some apps (emacs in this case) ? It results in emacs displaying only squares instead of characters, not very convenient |
| 20:07.07 | AlexCTI | blondie, what is that? |
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| 20:07.42 | blondie | AlexCTI: it's for controlling compilers |
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| 20:07.49 | kevinv | zinx: back, it detected my gameport correctly now. |
| 20:07.49 | blondie | and telling them what to compile |
| 20:07.55 | pingouin | abrotman: am i doing wrong ? or dpkg is sleeping...never answered my /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:07.57 | AlexCTI | I have an application which I need to make make clean && make && make install |
| 20:08.06 | kevinv | zinx: but jstest still says 'no such device' |
| 20:08.09 | roxy_ | nvz: I just did, it is removing 406 packages :/ |
| 20:08.27 | stew | !backports |
| 20:08.27 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 20:08.56 | abrotman | pingouin: apparently you did it wrong :) |
| 20:09.03 | pingouin | ...it's not the same as /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:09.09 | stew | pingouin: it should be |
| 20:09.12 | pingouin | but that's ok |
| 20:09.13 | zinx | kevinv: dmesg will report if it found your gamepad or not |
| 20:09.17 | nvz | roxy_: :/ that sucks |
| 20:09.19 | abrotman | !tell pingouin about backports |
| 20:09.22 | stew | pingouin: does he greet you when you type "/msg dpkg hi"? |
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| 20:09.37 | abrotman | mhall: ping! |
| 20:09.51 | nvz | roxy_: I gotta head out of here though.. I just came over to get online any pay my credit card before I get any more fees :P |
| 20:09.52 | zinx | kevinv: as "input: foo found as /dev/input/input?" |
| 20:10.02 | zinx | erh, minus the found :D |
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| 20:10.17 | pingouin | i just get a new windows...with backports writting in, but now it's ok, i got the !tell me about backports from abrotman in |
| 20:10.21 | zinx | kevinv: if it didn't, you need a different joystick driver loaded |
| 20:10.34 | AlexCTI | blondie: This is my error http://pastebin.com/770717 |
| 20:10.35 | zinx | kevinv: one of the ones in /lib/modules/*/kernel/input/joystick/ |
| 20:10.41 | nvz | roxy_: my cousin is driving around with no brake lights on her car I gotta get it fixed before she gets in an accident.. cause where a rear end collision is usually the other persons fault I think the courts would see otherwise in this case where the one who got rear ended has no brake lights |
| 20:10.47 | roxy_ | nvz: just get my credit card number: 9675 4322 7865 9987 ;-) |
| 20:10.47 | pingouin | thank you stew thank you abrotman |
| 20:11.03 | nvz | roxy_: hah you are crazy |
| 20:11.14 | zinx | kevinv: hmm, /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/input/joystick/ it seems |
| 20:11.21 | blondie | AlexCTI: have you got a compiler like gcc installed? |
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| 20:11.57 | abrotman | !b-e AlexCTI |
| 20:11.57 | dpkg | AlexCTI: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 20:12.01 | AlexCTI | blondie: I'm lost sorry |
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| 20:12.05 | mhall | abrotman: 'lo. good timing my man. |
| 20:12.28 | kevinv | zinx: is this correct -- input: Analog 2-axis 4-button joystick as /class/input/input3 |
| 20:12.30 | roxy_ | nvz: thanks for your help |
| 20:12.40 | duplex- | I tried installing vmware and it's giving me an error that the running kernel and the kernel sources I provided (debian 2.6.16 from apt-get) didn't have the same address spaces, but I know these are the rigth sources for this kernel. Is there a way to edit the source to make it have the same address space to trick vmware into installing? |
| 20:12.45 | nvz | I am thinking after my prelim-inspection yesturday and looking at these wiring diagrams online that its probably the brake light switch and for a 89 Honda Accord LXI its a $29.88 part so I am gonna go test it with my multimeter and replace it if its bad |
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| 20:13.09 | zinx | kevinv: yeah |
| 20:13.13 | zinx | kevinv: it found your joystick |
| 20:13.26 | zinx | kevinv: /dev/input/js* -should- work |
| 20:13.55 | mhall | abrotman: i just literally got out of bed just now |
| 20:14.06 | kevinv | zinx: thank you, it works and jstest is a full success. |
| 20:14.07 | AlexCTI | dpkg, that package is for what? |
| 20:14.08 | dpkg | AlexCTI: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:14.13 | zinx | kevinv: excellent |
| 20:14.27 | mhall | abrotman: would have gotten up sooner but i spent hours reading some horrifying literature that i was kind of glued to until 7 AM this morning |
| 20:14.30 | zinx | kevinv: i have no idea why alsa doesn't enable the joystick port by default.. ah well |
| 20:14.30 | kevinv | zinx: Now I can play my retro games again :D |
| 20:14.43 | zinx | kevinv: yeah, gamepads are great :D |
| 20:15.00 | nvz | only problem being I dont know where the switch is.. but I think I know where to look since it has to be attached to the brake petal in some way :P |
| 20:15.05 | kevinv | zinx: maybe someone should file a bug report on that, or kindly ask the package maintainer to do it. |
| 20:15.10 | AlexCTI | dpkg, that package what install? |
| 20:15.21 | kevinv | zinx: how is enabling a joystick port a security problem? |
| 20:15.33 | zinx | kevinv: i have no idea. i certainly never said it was :D |
| 20:16.02 | kevinv | zinx: I would of thought that would be the main reason to disable by default. |
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| 20:16.26 | zinx | kevinv: there is no telling why the alsa people decided to disable it by default |
| 20:16.43 | zinx | kevinv: but it's disabled by default in all the alsa drivers i know of that support the joystick |
| 20:16.53 | abrotman | mhall: you slacker |
| 20:16.55 | zinx | kevinv: so they have *some* reason, however stupid |
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| 20:17.04 | abrotman | mhall: go to #-ot on oftc |
| 20:17.11 | nvz | bah damn printer keeps jamming trying to print these schematics on cardstock |
| 20:17.17 | elliptic | I need to enable "X forwarding" in ssh, do I have to enable other things such that it works ? |
| 20:17.23 | stew | zinx: kevinv: maybe becuase it also acts as a midi port? |
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| 20:17.42 | lanchow | Q: if 2 socks are using the same port, is there a switch between both or a conflict ? |
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| 20:18.19 | kevinv | stew: never knew that exactly. The port is clearly labeled gameport. But still why even disable a midi port? |
| 20:18.48 | jair_ | If I do not want to label the partition |
| 20:18.50 | nvz | I wanted to print the two page chasis wiring diagram on both sides of a piece of cardstock but I guess I will have to settle for individual sheets of paper :/ |
| 20:19.10 | jair_ | should I format a new hard drive I add to my desktop without any label? |
| 20:19.11 | blondie | what I want to know is, why is the joystick port on a *sound* card |
| 20:19.12 | evilgeek | lanchow: two sockets cannot use the same port. |
| 20:19.13 | stew | kevinv: many (most) soundcards that have a gameport also use a dongle on the gameport to provide midi ports, i was thinking maybe it was by default in "midi port mode" or something (buy i'm guessing) |
| 20:19.20 | evilgeek | blondie: it isn't always. |
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| 20:19.30 | jair_ | mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 that is it.? |
| 20:19.34 | zinx | blondie: that's just how it's been done since they were introduced |
| 20:19.36 | evilgeek | blondie: i own a 486 that has no sound card but does have a joystick port. |
| 20:19.39 | kevinv | Well disabling by default would make newbie Linux users really think if switching to Linux was a good thing after spending two hours on one joystick. |
| 20:19.51 | blondie | zinx: I know... but why! |
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| 20:20.01 | blondie | evilgeek: aye I used to have one |
| 20:20.09 | zinx | blondie: 'cause usually in the beginning people wanted sound cards for games? |
| 20:20.14 | zinx | blondie: *shrug* |
| 20:20.14 | mhall | abrotman: i'm about to leave my apartment and go back to my parents' place for the weekend. i can possibly log on from there though in a couple hours |
| 20:20.20 | whitehorse1 | How do I find out what my compiler type and version is? If I'm on the right lines, it's GCC - I have various versions installed from 3.3-4.x. In fact, rather than clarify what my system's default compiler is, I think what I really need to know is how to find out what compiler (inc version) the version of KDE (specifically kdelibs pkg) included in Debian Etch was compiled with by the maintainers. I'm guessing perhaps GCC 4.1 but I d |
| 20:20.20 | whitehorse1 | to find out definitively. |
| 20:20.25 | stew | kevinv: *shrug* maybe its for the same thinking that makes alsa configures all the cards' channels to be zero volume and muted by default |
| 20:20.34 | abrotman | mhall: you just need to up my access level as far as you can .. i can't even -t the topic |
| 20:20.49 | zinx | blondie: CDs weren't around, and music was way too large to put on the computer |
| 20:20.51 | kevinv | blondie: having multiple gameports on one computer is a good thing, multiplayer with a game multitap |
| 20:20.54 | abrotman | mhall: and if you're not there .. kind of sucks .. since i'm the only other one who can |
| 20:21.05 | mhall | abrotman: ok let me fix it |
| 20:21.10 | abrotman | thanks sir |
| 20:21.11 | blondie | zinx: yes yes, I'm not young :( |
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| 20:21.49 | blondie | zinx: though, not sure where music would be stored if not on the PC or a CD? |
| 20:22.02 | kevinv | stew: What's going through the alsa developers minds anyways. They could at least kindly add a option to their alsaconf script to ask the user to enable the joystick/midi port, right? It only sounds logical. |
| 20:22.04 | zinx | blondie: it wouldn't. that's why sound cards were for games :D |
| 20:22.19 | zinx | blondie: and midi music, but i don't think that counts for much |
| 20:22.29 | zinx | blondie: apart from where it was used in games :D |
| 20:22.34 | evilgeek | midi music doesn't actually sound half bad. |
| 20:22.37 | dbe | which license is Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 distributed under? |
| 20:22.44 | Silent_al | hello , is there a p2p streaming app for linux? (like TVUplayer in windows) |
| 20:22.45 | blondie | gpl |
| 20:22.50 | jair_ | guys it is something wrong if I get the message: Filesystem too small for a journal??? when I am formating it? 13 GB HD? |
| 20:22.53 | evilgeek | dbe: most of it is under the GPL. |
| 20:22.54 | zinx | evilgeek: yeah, but it's not popular with the sheeple |
| 20:22.56 | dbe | blondie, 100% GPL, no more or less? |
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| 20:23.12 | evilgeek | dbe: certain parts are under other licences, such as the apache and BSD licences. |
| 20:23.14 | whitehorse1 | dbe: well, the docs might be gfdl |
| 20:23.19 | mhall | abrotman: try again |
| 20:23.20 | dbe | evilgeek, Creative commons for the documentation? |
| 20:23.27 | stew | kevinv: sounds reasonable. work up a patch! |
| 20:23.36 | evilgeek | dbe: that again varies. |
| 20:24.08 | evilgeek | dbe: there is a page on www.debian.org where a list of all acceptable licences is posted. |
| 20:24.14 | dbe | evilgeek, which parts is distrubuted under the BSD/apache license (GPL-incompatible licenses) |
| 20:24.23 | stew | dbe: each pacakge in debian carries its own license, there is no license for all of debian |
| 20:24.25 | evilgeek | dbe: apache, for instance. |
| 20:25.03 | stew | dbe: if you want to see the license of a particular package, get to its package page at http://pacakges.debian.org/packagename and click onthe "copyright file" link at the bottom |
| 20:25.23 | evilgeek | what stew said. |
| 20:25.25 | kevinv | dbe: debian also has many non-free pre-compiled apps under other various licenses as well. for example, you can actually play MP3s under debian without modification unlike fedora and red hat. :D |
| 20:25.25 | dbe | stew, right, so if an OS include Apache that part is under the apache licence becuase a OS build on many softwares |
| 20:25.32 | tarzeau | dbe: which creative commons? |
| 20:25.38 | evilgeek | dbe: define "OS". |
| 20:25.45 | tarzeau | !OS |
| 20:25.46 | dpkg | i heard operating system is just that, a SYSTEM that lets you OPERATE with your machine. It's NOT a kernel. Linux is a kernel. GNU and GNU/Linux are Operating Systems. |
| 20:25.51 | tarzeau | dpkg OS is also OPENSTEP |
| 20:25.52 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 20:26.09 | blondie | huh |
| 20:26.17 | dbe | like GNUstep |
| 20:26.21 | evilgeek | that's an entirely useless definition. |
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| 20:26.41 | kevinv | evilgeek: agreed very useless. |
| 20:26.52 | whitehorse1 | In Testing, what is the compiler & version which maintainers use to compile the distribution's current kde packages? gcc 4.1? or is there no available resource with that info? (bar asking them directly of course) |
| 20:26.55 | evilgeek | particularly since phrases such as "running on an OS" are quite commonplace when speaking of software. |
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| 20:27.16 | tarzeau | it's sometimes Open Source, too |
| 20:27.24 | dbe | evilgeek, can you paste me the URL for Debians list of all acceptable licences? It would help me alot |
| 20:27.30 | SexyKen | Anyone interested in donating to Cancer Research? |
| 20:27.34 | evilgeek | dbe: i don't know it off-hand. |
| 20:27.42 | kevinv | question about qemu, is there someone that has a binary of kqemu? |
| 20:28.12 | dbe | SexyKen, we support free software in first hand, only charityware if it is distributed as free software |
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| 20:28.39 | SexyKen | dbe: I am not quite sure if you understand ;-) https://www.kintera.org/faf/donorReg/donorPledge.asp?ievent=152626&lis=1&kntae152626=735E2FAE2939455F810578B5A43163EB&supId=131892758 |
| 20:29.08 | doublehp_ | how to calculate the ofset in bytes of a given partition relatively to the beginning of the disk ? |
| 20:29.34 | stew | dbe: there isn't a comprehensive list, but read: /msg dpkg dfsg faq |
| 20:29.37 | dbe | SexyKen, well, would you like to support me for fighting against the VeriChip Corporation then? |
| 20:30.03 | SexyKen | dbe: This has nothing to do with supporting me. I dont have cancer. |
| 20:30.04 | evilgeek | verichip? |
| 20:30.14 | dbe | SexyKen, ok |
| 20:30.17 | SexyKen | It also has nothing to do with business politics or anything like that. |
| 20:30.18 | SexyKen | :-) |
| 20:30.30 | dbe | evilgeek, http://www.spychips.com/press-releases/verichip-immigration.html |
| 20:30.32 | SexyKen | Simply a question |
| 20:30.34 | SexyKen | You can say no. |
| 20:30.34 | evilgeek | oh, rats. they don't make potato chips. |
| 20:30.35 | SexyKen | I dont mind. |
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| 20:30.43 | stew | SexyKen: please keep it on topic |
| 20:30.56 | stew | SexyKen: soliciting donations in here is not appropriate |
| 20:31.05 | SexyKen | I see. |
| 20:31.09 | SexyKen | Sorry. |
| 20:31.27 | dbe | thats what I tried to tell him |
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| 20:32.09 | ricky_clarkson | I bet you 5 pounds that the USA won't win the World Cup. |
| 20:32.11 | SexyKen | No you didn't. |
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| 20:32.21 | ricky_clarkson | Could that be seen as soliciting donations? ;) |
| 20:32.25 | evilgeek | damn, that's considerably creepier than potato chips. |
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| 20:33.01 | dooglus | doublehp_: "disk -lu /dev/hda" to get the start sector, multiplied by the sector size? |
| 20:33.44 | dbe | evilgeek, RFID, GIS and GPS Amalgamation is worse, back to topic |
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| 20:34.11 | Sirius | How can i get the ATI Driver installer version 8.24 ??? |
| 20:35.07 | Sirius | !ati |
| 20:35.07 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
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| 20:37.28 | streuner | Sirius: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27 |
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| 20:37.48 | Sirius | thats for new version |
| 20:38.10 | roxy_ | I chrooted into my debian testing to try to save it, but doing aptitude update I get Couldn't stat source package error |
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| 20:38.25 | whitehorse1 | exit |
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| 20:41.20 | doublehp_ | dooglus: with cylinders first partition starts at 0, whereas using sectors it starts at 1 ... why that diff ? |
| 20:41.34 | roxy_ | I don't have network inside chroot :/ hhheeelllppp |
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| 20:42.37 | dooglus | doublehp_: I'm really no expert (hence the question mark on the end of my suggestion) |
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| 20:43.47 | stew | roxy_: try running aptitude update again |
| 20:43.54 | dooglus | doublehp_: incidentally, mine don't start at zero at all: http://bigdogscock.pastebin.com/770799 |
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| 20:44.50 | roxy_ | stew, when doing anything network related i get: GC: warning: Couldn't read /proc/stat |
| 20:45.09 | stew | roxy_: mount /proc |
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| 20:46.09 | Sirius | Anyone know where i can download the older version of the Ati installer ver 8.24.x ? |
| 20:46.27 | abrotman | ask #ati |
| 20:46.37 | doublehp_ | dooglus: I use BSD disklabel on SCSI :S |
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| 20:48.01 | dooglus | how much space does grub need to install its thing? |
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| 20:48.21 | dooglus | I've never managed to get it working. could it be because I only have 32k available for it? |
| 20:49.04 | roxy_ | stew, still no networking |
| 20:49.06 | stew | dooglus: for the /boot/grub dir? |
| 20:49.16 | stew | roxy_: is it still complaining about /proc? |
| 20:49.32 | roxy_ | stew, no |
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| 20:49.36 | dooglus | stew: no, for whatever it writes the special boot place (MBR? boot sector? I don't know...) |
| 20:49.40 | doublehp_ | dooglus: my 492K /boot/grub/ |
| 20:49.49 | stew | dooglus: the boot sector is just one sector, 512 bytes |
| 20:49.59 | doublehp_ | stew: 510 :° |
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| 20:50.01 | doublehp_ | :) |
| 20:50.28 | dooglus | stew: so other than the 512 byte boot sector, and a regular linux partition with /boot/grub on it, that's all grub should need? |
| 20:50.29 | speyer | why i am not able to make a audio cd with k3b from mp3 files ? what package do i need ? |
| 20:50.36 | doublehp_ | stew: BS is just 510B :D |
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| 20:50.51 | dooglus | doublehp_: why 510? all sectors are 512, no? |
| 20:51.01 | doublehp_ | dooglus: you shall reserv room for kernels ... unless you put them on an other part |
| 20:51.29 | stew | dooglus: yeah, that should be all you need. |
| 20:51.48 | dooglus | doublehp_: I have one large linux partition with /boot as part of it - there's space for kernels in there. I'm wondering if grub uses anything other than the BS and /boot |
| 20:51.51 | doublehp_ | dooglus: a sector is 512, but the code for MBR on BS is 510B ... 2 last ones are a check-consrtant for BIOS security :) 0x55AA from memory |
| 20:51.57 | dooglus | stew: so any idea why it doesn't work? |
| 20:52.20 | stew | dooglus: is /boot on a separate partition? |
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| 20:52.25 | dooglus | doublehp_: the last 2 bytes of the boot sector are checksum bytes, that's right |
| 20:52.34 | dooglus | doublehp_: but they're part of the boot sector, too |
| 20:52.39 | wimp | apt-cache search uml <-- doesnt' show much; is uml support not in debian stable? |
| 20:52.44 | doublehp_ | dooglus: grub will take 500K on /boot (suports ext2 ext3 and XFS if primary ... xfs not suported on extended ... any way, just avoid xfs for /boot ) |
| 20:52.46 | roxy_ | stew, /etc/init.d/networking start doesn't complain |
| 20:52.49 | dooglus | stew: no, /boot is the same partition as everything else |
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| 20:53.03 | doublehp_ | dooglus: to be precise, they are a check-cst, not a summ :) |
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| 20:53.06 | Youpi | noapte bona |
| 20:53.13 | dooglus | stew: I have 3 root partitions (one for sid, one for ubuntu, and one that I don't use) |
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| 20:53.46 | stew | dooglus: do you get an error running grub-install? what happens when you try to boot? |
| 20:53.53 | doublehp_ | dooglus: I usually allow 64M for /boot and ext2 (for compliance with more boot loaders: old lilo, silo, milo, aboot, grub, explore2fs ... ) |
| 20:54.01 | ricky_clarkson | A normal user mounted /mnt/windows but cannot list it. root can list it. |
| 20:54.05 | ricky_clarkson | What's up? |
| 20:54.14 | dooglus | doublehp_: I don't have a separate /boot - it's part of / |
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| 20:54.22 | ricky_clarkson | /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,user,auto 0 0 |
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| 20:54.42 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: wrong perms on the mount point ? |
| 20:54.46 | stew | ricky_clarkson: check the permissions of /mnt/windows before you mount it |
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| 20:54.56 | dooglus | stew: I can't remember. it renders the system unbootable, so I don't do it often. last time was over a year ago. |
| 20:55.00 | roxy_ | when I want to remove udev, it wants to remove the only kernel I have :/ |
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| 20:55.19 | doublehp_ | dooglus: you should seperate /boot; that helps lilo not having kernel on partition ending after 1024, allows reiser/xfs /root or raided one, keeping /boot away from those issues |
| 20:55.49 | dooglus | doublehp_: 1024 is a sector number? or cylinder? |
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| 20:56.12 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: drwxr-xr-x |
| 20:56.22 | doublehp_ | dooglus: forgot |
| 20:56.25 | dooglus | ricky_clarkson: specify a umask |
| 20:56.38 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 20:56.38 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 20:56.41 | stew | roxy_: you have to install yaird to replace initramfs-tools, then make a new initrd |
| 20:57.01 | ricky_clarkson | fmask=0333,dmask=0222 looks alright. |
| 20:57.16 | dooglus | ricky_clarkson: I use "umask=0" |
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| 20:58.14 | ricky_clarkson | dooglus: That worked, thanks. |
| 20:58.20 | mesut | 'lo, it seems etch netinstall cd cannot detect my cdrom device,what can i do ? |
| 20:58.22 | stew | roxy_: "apt-get install udev- yaird" will switch yaird in for initramfs-tools, then "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" should build a new initrd with yaird |
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| 20:58.54 | ukasz | hi |
| 20:59.03 | killown | hi |
| 20:59.06 | ukasz | did any of you installed pppoe + radius |
| 20:59.07 | ukasz | ?? |
| 20:59.23 | ricky_clarkson | ukasz: Probably, just ask. |
| 20:59.29 | dooglus | doublehp_: is the 1024 limit really still an issue? I thought that was only for old HDDs? |
| 20:59.49 | roxy_ | stew: thanks, i'll try tomorrow, I need some sleep |
| 20:59.50 | ukasz | i have installed radius from deb but there is no radius.so plugin for pppoe |
| 21:00.02 | zinx | dooglus: it's an issue for lilo; has nothing to do with anything else |
| 21:00.07 | zinx | dooglus: lilo sucks. |
| 21:00.24 | dooglus | zinx: doublehp_ was just telling me it matters for grub too |
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| 21:00.29 | zinx | dooglus: he's stupid, then. |
| 21:00.30 | yassine | hi everyone |
| 21:00.34 | zinx | dooglus: it doesn't matter for grub |
| 21:00.35 | dooglus | zinx: oh, he wasn't. i'm the stupid one. |
| 21:00.35 | stew | !remove udev is <reply> if you are trying to remove udev and you package system wants to remove kernels that you don't want removed, you must install yaird to replace initramfs-tools as your initrd generator, "apt-get install udev- yaird" will switch yaird in for initramfs-tools, then "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" should build a new initrd for your running kerel with yaird. |
| 21:00.36 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 21:01.11 | kspath | zinx: then time than logical |
| 21:01.12 | dooglus | zinx: thing is, I'm using lilo, have my /boot after cylinder 1024, use reiserfs, and it still works... it's grub I can't get to work. |
| 21:01.18 | zinx | dooglus: grub works very differently; lilo hardcodes the location of the file and uses some old limited calls to access it |
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| 21:01.28 | yassine | is there any known hyperterminal-like tool i can use in debian ? |
| 21:01.40 | zinx | dooglus: grub stores the filename and uses filesystem modules that use more modern calls that can access the entire disk |
| 21:01.43 | stew | yassine: try minicom |
| 21:01.44 | kspath | yassine: I hope not. |
| 21:02.05 | zinx | dooglus: you'll need the reiserfs-capable stage1.5 for grub, most likely |
| 21:02.13 | yassine | thanks stew |
| 21:02.22 | doublehp_ | dooglus: not a matter of HDD but a matter of BIOS/lilo |
| 21:02.23 | zinx | dooglus: you should consider switching away from that filesystem though, it seriously sucks. |
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| 21:02.36 | dooglus | zinx: that's a package I need to install? or a configuation to make to grub's config file? |
| 21:02.44 | zinx | dooglus: you need to install grub differently |
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| 21:03.01 | dooglus | zinx: what's wrong with reiserfs? |
| 21:03.03 | ukasz | ricky_clarkson have you installed radius + pppoe? |
| 21:03.22 | ricky_clarkson | ukasz: Nope. |
| 21:03.40 | zinx | dooglus: it's slow, buggy, and if it every does get corrupt the tools to repair it do not repair it. |
| 21:03.57 | ukasz | did any of you installed pppoe + radius |
| 21:04.04 | zinx | dooglus: reiserfs3 is magnitudes slower than ext3/xfs/anything sane; reiserfs4 is merely very slow. |
| 21:04.07 | kspath | yassine: apt-cache search serial communication |
| 21:04.38 | zinx | dooglus: the only thing reiserfs performs well at is Hans Reiser's benchmorks |
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| 21:05.06 | dooglus | zinx: from the benchmarks I've seen they're similar speeds |
| 21:05.36 | zinx | dooglus: if they were reiser's benchmarks, then that's why. |
| 21:05.49 | kspath | zinx: than logical |
| 21:06.03 | zinx | kspath: what? |
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| 21:08.11 | mesut | i tried expert boot option,and loaded ide modules before sata,and still cannot detect cdrom |
| 21:08.48 | du_ | hi all i have problems with apt..it doesen't download anything..0Kb/s..my internet connection is ok |
| 21:09.20 | jjazz | du_: Have you tried netselect apt? |
| 21:09.35 | du_ | no..what is? |
| 21:09.42 | jjazz | apt-cache show netselect-apt |
| 21:09.46 | kspath | zinx: then is time than is logical |
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| 21:10.30 | zinx | kspath: i have no idea what you're trying to tell me |
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| 21:11.00 | zinx | kspath: but 'then' was proper in 'then that's why' |
| 21:11.01 | kspath | zinx: "< zinx> dooglus: if they were reiser's benchmarks, then that's why." change it to than unless it is only true for a particular time period. |
| 21:11.09 | jjazz | zinx: It appears to be a haiku of some kind. |
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| 21:11.11 | du_ | jjazz, i would download it but i can't just access to servers |
| 21:11.18 | zinx | kspath: and it makes me hate you when you think 'than' is proper, enough to try to correct me on it. |
| 21:11.20 | Erudified | oh man how can I avoid having to generate all the locales every time I dist-upgrade? |
| 21:11.27 | du_ | jjazz, Get:1 ftp://ftp.it.debian.org unstable/main netselect 0.3.ds1-8 [20,8kB] |
| 21:11.28 | du_ | 0% [1 netselect 0/20,8kB 0%] |
| 21:11.29 | jjazz | du_: You can download the packages you need from packages.debian.org. It only needs a few packages. |
| 21:11.39 | Erudified | this is making me want to kill my firstborn, and I don't even have any kids, so its making me want to kill a hypothetical child that I may never even have |
| 21:11.41 | du_ | ok, i'll try |
| 21:11.49 | deadcat | whats nesting windows mean? |
| 21:11.50 | Erudified | that's the depth of the contempt that I hold for all languages which aren't american english |
| 21:11.50 | zinx | kspath: you seem to have a misconception about what 'then' and 'than' are about |
| 21:12.08 | kspath | zinx: Sorry, you hate me. Thank you. I was unware of my misconception. |
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| 21:12.51 | stew | discussions about reiserfs are never ever productive here |
| 21:12.59 | jjazz | Erudified: are you generating locales that you're not using? |
| 21:13.33 | Erudified | jjazz, yeah |
| 21:13.41 | jjazz | Erudified: Why? |
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| 21:13.51 | Erudified | jjazz, because apt-get dist-upgrade felt like it |
| 21:14.05 | Erudified | and who am I to argue with the wisdom of apt-get? it's all-knowing, and quite possibly sentient |
| 21:14.06 | jjazz | Erudified: default locales are pretty minimal |
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| 21:14.53 | MaRX-Mode | am I too mode ? |
| 21:16.02 | jjazz | Erudified: regardless, you can pare down the list of locales |
| 21:16.46 | Erudified | jjazz, how does one go about paring down this 'list' of 'locales' as you call it? |
| 21:17.15 | mesut | any solution for idecdrom satahdd netinstallation ? it fails when detectind cdrom ? |
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| 21:17.53 | yassine | stew minicom is looking for a devise i dont have on my system any idea how i can findout how the device is named on my system please ? |
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| 21:19.38 | war92 | 99% [Waiting for headers] <- anyone ever get that when doing apt-get update? |
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| 21:20.12 | azeta | war92. sometimes |
| 21:20.25 | war92 | where would I report firefox bugs? when I load a lot of tabs it continually segmentation faults (repeatable) |
| 21:20.27 | war92 | I have a strace log |
| 21:20.33 | war92 | do I bug the firerfox developrs? |
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| 21:21.07 | du_ | jjazz, i tried netselect-apt..same thing 0Kb/s |
| 21:21.13 | war92 | hmm damn |
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| 21:21.23 | zinx | war92: you can bug bugs.debian.org via reportbug, or the firefox bugzilla (which you should be able to google for) |
| 21:21.24 | ThylekShran | Narf!!! |
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| 21:21.27 | stew | yassine: are you trying to talk to a built-in serial port? |
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| 21:21.38 | jjazz | Erudified: dpkg-reconfigue locales |
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| 21:22.01 | jjazz | du_: are you behind a firewall? |
| 21:22.21 | du_ | i think i have the default iptabels |
| 21:22.26 | du_ | iptables |
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| 21:22.55 | yassine | stew, im trying to connect to my (old) accesspoint AP2000 via rs232 to be able to configure it but that does not work :s |
| 21:23.04 | stew | yassine: try /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS1 ; if they don't work install the setserial package |
| 21:23.18 | du_ | jjazz, anyway did nothing |
| 21:23.19 | mzilikazi | hmm anyone getting such errors w/ inkscape? http://pastebin.com/770855 |
| 21:23.24 | caskey | I'm trying to make two systems have matching package installs, I've used 'get/set selections' to copy the selections from one to the other, now how do I get dpkg to actually install the selected packages? |
| 21:23.30 | jjazz | du_: Hrm. So, when you run the program, does it retrieve the list of mirrors from debian.org? |
| 21:23.33 | mzilikazi | same errors on both testing & unstable |
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| 21:23.49 | du_ | jjazz, yes..and apt-get update goes normally |
| 21:24.16 | yassine | stew, i juts can not finde any ttyS* dev |
| 21:24.21 | jjazz | du_: So, what is the thing that is going abnormally? |
| 21:24.27 | du_ | jjazz, orbetter...apt-get update is such a slow |
| 21:24.53 | du_ | jjazz, the thing abnormal is that i can't download anything from apt |
| 21:24.57 | stew | yassine: does the /dev/ttyS0 file exist on your system? |
| 21:25.25 | yassine | stew, no |
| 21:25.25 | du_ | jjazz, Get:1 ftp://ftp.it.debian.org unstable/main powernowd 0.97-1 [19,9kB] |
| 21:25.26 | du_ | 0% [1 powernowd 0/19,9kB 0%] |
| 21:26.43 | jjazz | du_: Try a different mirror. Change that to http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main |
| 21:26.48 | stew | uhh does devfs have its own funky locations for serial ports? |
| 21:27.14 | stew | yassine: what does "uname -r" say? do you have the "udev" package installed? |
| 21:27.20 | yassine | yes |
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| 21:28.01 | yassine | stew, Linux D505 2.6.16.19.DellD505 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jun 2 12:29:02 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:28.33 | Silent_al | dpkg, amuse RvGaTe |
| 21:28.42 | polishkoop | Is this where I can ask about a problem I am having? |
| 21:28.58 | Silent_al | !ask |
| 21:28.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:30.48 | war92 | NASTY Debian bug, segmentation fault when trying to decode a JPEG under Debian but the OFFICIAL version of firefox from ftp.mozilla.org does NOT crash. |
| 21:30.48 | stew | yassine: its possible your kenrel was not compiled with serial port support |
| 21:31.17 | yassine | how do i find that out ? |
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| 21:31.30 | hound | war92, the version that's in sid? |
| 21:31.35 | aboyousif | hello, i use etch with xfce only .. and only root can startx no other users .. and in xsessions.options there is the allow-user-xsession .. what should i do ? |
| 21:31.58 | war92 | hound, in Etch sir. |
| 21:32.14 | du_ | jjazz, can't set http mirros |
| 21:32.25 | jjazz | du_: Why not? |
| 21:32.41 | polishkoop | I am having problems getting my GUI to work. I'm using the etch version of Debian. |
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| 21:32.57 | du_ | jjazz, it says that http type is not recognized |
| 21:32.59 | hound | war92, I don't any problems opening websites with jpeg's with the firefox in etch. maybe it's something else? |
| 21:33.00 | aboyousif | polishkoop .. did you installed xorg ? |
| 21:33.19 | polishkoop | yeah, keep in mind im really new to this. But yeah I'm positive I've installed it. |
| 21:33.23 | jjazz | du_: what exactly are you doing and what is the exact error messge? |
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| 21:33.47 | aboyousif | polishkoop, and installed a window manager like gnome or xfce ? |
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| 21:33.59 | Erudified | Do syllables count in spanish? |
| 21:34.02 | polishkoop | I think when I went through the configuration I picked gnome. |
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| 21:34.19 | stew | yassine: what does this output: egrep "(CONFIG_SERIAL_CORE|CONFIG_SERIAL_8250)\b" /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:34.23 | aboyousif | did it raise an error when running startx ? |
| 21:34.29 | du_ | jjazz, imodified sources.list inserting yourmirror, then apt-get update and then the error E:'http://ftp.debian.org/debian' is not recognized at line 5 |
| 21:34.32 | polishkoop | the first time i did it... big time |
| 21:34.45 | polishkoop | but now everytime i startx, i get the error but a split second later my screen just goes to crap |
| 21:34.47 | jjazz | du_: put your sources.list in a pastebin. |
| 21:34.53 | du_ | ok |
| 21:34.55 | polishkoop | green with red lines... etc. |
| 21:35.10 | aboyousif | i think you need to reconfigure your x |
| 21:35.18 | yassine | stew, you were right # CONFIG_SERIAL_8250 is not set |
| 21:35.22 | polishkoop | yah i don't know how to do that, i gave it a try but I failed :-/ |
| 21:35.27 | du_ | jjazz, http://pastebin.com/770876 |
| 21:35.40 | war92 | hound: I filed a bug report. |
| 21:35.46 | aboyousif | polishkoop, try dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:35.52 | war92 | hound: I open 71 tabs in firefox, every time I do it with Debian's Firefox it crashes. |
| 21:35.52 | du_ | jjazz, that is without your http mirror |
| 21:35.56 | polishkoop | i could have sworn i did it... but I'll try |
| 21:35.57 | war92 | hound: with the one on mozilla.org/firefox, no issues. |
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| 21:37.11 | caskey | I'm trying to make two systems have matching package installs, I've used 'get/set selections' to copy the selections from one to the other, now how do I get dpkg to actually install the selected packages? |
| 21:37.32 | jjazz | du_: use this: http://pastebin.com/770878 |
| 21:37.52 | polishkoop | Nope, it didn't work |
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| 21:38.03 | polishkoop | i typed in dpkg -reconfigure xserver-org and it said I had conflictiong actions |
| 21:38.09 | dooglus | war92: does it have to be any particular jpg, or do they all crazy firefox? |
| 21:38.19 | war92 | dooglus: im not sure which tab is doing it |
| 21:38.26 | aboyousif | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg sorry no space afrer dpkg |
| 21:38.29 | dooglus | war92: you're opening 71 different tabs? |
| 21:38.30 | aboyousif | polishkoop, |
| 21:38.42 | war92 | dooglus: yes, I like to browse my favorite websites once or twice a day |
| 21:38.53 | polishkoop | ahhh thank you, I'll go through the configuration again |
| 21:38.57 | war92 | Improper call to JPEG library in state 202 -> Unable to read JPEG data ->Cannot be executed -> Segmentation fault |
| 21:38.59 | dooglus | war92: have you uploaded the necessary file(s) to reproduce this in the bug report? |
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| 21:39.01 | AlexCTI | hi guy, I need to make this ln -s [kernel-source-dir] linux-2.6 but i'm not sure where is my kernel-source directory, someone an give ma a hand? |
| 21:39.12 | du_ | ok i'll try |
| 21:39.19 | polishkoop | I think the first time i tried to reconfigure, it told me i had to download and install a new package of some kind. I did it though, is that normal? |
| 21:39.25 | war92 | dooglus: didnt want to spam it with aattachments |
| 21:39.32 | stew | AlexCTI: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 21:39.44 | dooglus | war92: the bug report is pretty much useless if the bug isn't reproducible |
| 21:39.49 | aboyousif | polishkoop, i think so .. i'm not expert in debian just help as i can |
| 21:39.57 | aboyousif | polishkoop, try it and tell me |
| 21:40.00 | du_ | jjazz, it seems strange because a friend of mine with sources.list same of mine can download normally from apt |
| 21:40.06 | dooglus | war92: ideally you'll be able to create a much smaller test-case that still makes it crash. |
| 21:40.20 | jjazz | du_: Did you try my version? |
| 21:40.27 | aboyousif | guys .. how can i enable users to startx? |
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| 21:40.39 | du_ | i'm trying right now ,thanks |
| 21:40.43 | aboyousif | users not root .. cause only root can do that :( |
| 21:40.44 | stew | aboyousif: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 21:40.58 | stew | aboyousif: (assuming you are running xorg) |
| 21:41.14 | jjazz | du_: If it's not the mirror, I suspect a problem in your firewall or something like that. |
| 21:41.27 | aboyousif | stew, and then choose anybody ? |
| 21:41.27 | jjazz | du_: Or maybe that particular mirror just hates you. |
| 21:42.04 | AlexCTI | stew, I'm installing Asterisk software, but on the manual installation it says: if your Kernel is 2.6 do |
| 21:42.05 | AlexCTI | ln -s [kernel-source-dir] linux-2.6 |
| 21:42.23 | polishkoop | ahhh aboyousif, I'm running an nVidia geforce 6600gt. I picked the nv drivers before but I read somewhere that I might get better success if i use vesa. |
| 21:42.29 | stew | aboyousif: "console users" is the normal setting |
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| 21:42.49 | du_ | jjazz, mmm.. it seems work but not very fast |
| 21:42.53 | aboyousif | du_, maybe your service provider block this site ... i cann't run kde-look.org by that stpd action |
| 21:42.53 | stew | AlexCTI: are you compiling a 3rd party driver? like a zaptel driver or something? |
| 21:43.09 | du_ | jjazz, 19,9kB in 11s (1751B/s) |
| 21:43.17 | du_ | very very slow.. |
| 21:43.20 | aboyousif | stew, it is set to console users only but still cann't log on my users account |
| 21:43.48 | aboyousif | polishkoop, i use nvidia too but not your card model it works well with nv ( without 3d ) .. |
| 21:43.57 | jjazz | du_: Well, it works at least. When you used netselect-apt to pick a mirror, it should have told you which was the fastest mirror. |
| 21:43.57 | AlexCTI | stew, Yes, the zaptel is done, it was with out problem, but the asterisk stop |
| 21:44.01 | polishkoop | okay ill try nv again then |
| 21:44.19 | jjazz | du_: Try switching to that mirror. In the meantime, at least it's working, even if it is slow. |
| 21:44.20 | stew | aboyousif: no, your /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config was missing entirely. its a known bug, this is just a temporary fix. choose "console users" |
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| 21:44.39 | polishkoop | should i keep the bus pci:1:0:0? my card is an agp 8x type |
| 21:44.45 | du_ | jjazz, ok..but it is a strange thing |
| 21:44.52 | stew | polishkoop: leave it blank unless you have 2 cards or are on a mac |
| 21:44.57 | stew | AlexCTI: /etc/init.d/asterisk start? |
| 21:45.00 | jjazz | du_: Network routing is inconsistent. |
| 21:45.01 | aboyousif | stew, ok i did it and moved to nice value cammand .. any tips ? |
| 21:45.28 | stew | aboyousif: after you finish reconfiguring you should now have a /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config and startx should work |
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| 21:45.41 | jjazz | du_: It might be a problem on your end, or it might not. |
| 21:45.41 | AlexCTI | stew, i mean on the installation |
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| 21:46.05 | aboyousif | stew, thanks man i think it will work now .. thanks alot |
| 21:46.10 | stew | AlexCTI: did you install it somehow other than "apt-get install asterisk"? |
| 21:46.22 | SerajewelKS | amarok just crashed saying it couldn't open my mail client. what the FUCK... |
| 21:46.32 | polishkoop | i am going to go into this step by step cuz after i am a noob and i don't want to make a dumb mistake again. Should I autodetect keyboard layout? |
| 21:46.33 | SerajewelKS | since when do media players send mail... |
| 21:46.39 | du_ | jjazz, i know not because all my friend can download at full speed with my same sources.list and without netselect |
| 21:47.00 | AlexCTI | yes, I downloaded one of asterisk website 1.2.9 |
| 21:47.11 | CrashChaos | I'm trying to install from debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso, but manual network configuration fails.. the data is ok and works with other live CDs though. is there any way to find out what's wrong? that red background isn't very informative |
| 21:47.15 | stew | AlexCTI: ask in #asterisk then. this isn't a debian related problem |
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| 21:48.07 | AlexCTI | stew, last question should i install asterisk as you told me? or can I use the other way? |
| 21:48.11 | stew | AlexCTI: if you really need to compile some driver like a zaptel driver, then apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) and symlink the resulting /usr/src/kernel-headers directory |
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| 21:48.36 | aboyousif | polishkoop, what is the news ? |
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| 21:49.25 | polishkoop | still working on it, im going slow so i dont make a mistake |
| 21:49.28 | jjazz | du_: Sorry, I don't know what to tell you. Are all those people on your LAN? |
| 21:49.44 | aboyousif | polishkoop, ok .. that is better .. |
| 21:49.57 | aboyousif | polishkoop, good luck :) |
| 21:50.00 | du_ | nono..they are in other cyties:D |
| 21:50.08 | aboyousif | brb |
| 21:50.25 | jjazz | du_: Well, then why does it surprise you that mirrors to which they have fast access might be slow for you? |
| 21:50.45 | polishkoop | alright, im gonna try startx. If it doesnt work i'll have to restart but I'll be back |
| 21:50.46 | du_ | jjazz, because the mirrors are the same! |
| 21:51.04 | jjazz | du_: That's irrelevant. Two different people accessing the same mirror will get two different speeds. |
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| 21:51.23 | du_ | jjazz, excuse me but i can't aunderstand this thing |
| 21:51.25 | jjazz | du_: That's why you need to choose a mirror that's topologically close to you |
| 21:51.38 | du_ | jjazz, aa... |
| 21:53.01 | jjazz | du_: speed is not only a function of the mirror's bandwidth. It's also a function of the route data takes from the mirror to your box. Because your box is in a different place than your friend's box, the routes will be different. And the different routing will produce different speeds of communication even though you and your friend are talking to the same mirror. |
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| 21:53.22 | wimp | what's the easiest way to get user mode linux running on debian? |
| 21:53.27 | SerajewelKS | can anyone recommend a good desktop wiki that integrates with kde? apt-cache isn't finding too much. |
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| 21:53.43 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: emacs has a wiki mode |
| 21:54.16 | du_ | jjazz, thanks my friend you can explain very well |
| 21:54.23 | jjazz | du_: no problem. |
| 21:54.25 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: something meant to be a wiki, not a text editor turned wiki |
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| 21:55.03 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: believe it or not, it works really well. |
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| 21:55.32 | ricky_clarkson | How dare you call emacs a text editor. |
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| 21:55.35 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: be that as it may, i don't have emacs and would prefer to keep it that way... |
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| 21:55.49 | du_ | jjazz, goodnight i'm going slleping |
| 21:55.49 | ricky_clarkson | SerajewelKS: Why |
| 21:55.55 | jjazz | du_: good night |
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| 21:55.58 | SerajewelKS | ricky_clarkson: do we really need to go over that here |
| 21:56.21 | ricky_clarkson | Not that I use emacs, being a vim-freak. |
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| 21:56.55 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: When I was searching for a non-emacs home wiki solution, I ended up with kwiki wiki. |
| 21:57.08 | SerajewelKS | i swear someday emacs will be a full blown operating system... |
| 21:57.11 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: Not the most polished wiki, but relatively easy to setup. |
| 21:57.23 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: i was looking at zim's description |
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| 21:57.57 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: looks like what i want but most perl applications i've seen aren't done very well |
| 21:58.11 | hound | I second that, if I didn't have tomboy (gnome), kwiki would be my next choice. very simple to setup |
| 21:58.17 | ricky_clarkson | I like mediawiki, but I've only installed that on Windows, not Linux yet. |
| 21:58.44 | SerajewelKS | mediawiki would be my next choice.. but for personal use a php app seems kinda overkill |
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| 21:58.57 | SerajewelKS | plus firefox is slow to render stuff of late, i'd prefer a UI that doesn't lag like shit =) |
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| 21:59.12 | CrashChaos | why is the daily build net installer making problems because of a 8319 network card.. this is like one of the most common cards available ?! |
| 21:59.19 | SerajewelKS | this just may inspire my next mono/gtk# project... |
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| 21:59.32 | Shadowcat | CrashChaos: why are you using a daily build to begin with? |
| 21:59.34 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: I never tried zim. It's a student project currently in beta. Less than a year old. Doesn't inspire confidence. |
| 21:59.43 | CrashChaos | Shadowcat: because the unofficial amd64 sarge build doesn't support my SATA drive |
| 21:59.46 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: that's more or less my thought pattern |
| 21:59.56 | Shadowcat | CrashChaos: so use the etch image |
| 22:00.06 | Shadowcat | daily builds are NOT supposed to work |
| 22:00.06 | CrashChaos | Shadowcat: which is what I am doing right now |
| 22:00.08 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: then again i'm a student and my betas are usually pretty usable... |
| 22:00.10 | Shadowcat | or didn't someone tell you that |
| 22:00.17 | CrashChaos | Shadowcat: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 22:00.37 | Shadowcat | CrashChaos: then call it beta 2 |
| 22:00.46 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: right now i'm using knotes, and it'd be nice to be able to link notes |
| 22:00.48 | Shadowcat | daily install images are something else entirely |
| 22:00.49 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: try it out. Just don't expect any updates after this person graduates (or gets bored, or gets a girlfriend, or...) |
| 22:00.51 | CrashChaos | that's the one I'm using.. and it complains with a wonderful red screen that my network config isn't working.. and I have no freaking idea what's wrong because there is no error message or anything |
| 22:01.05 | Shadowcat | CrashChaos: so run it in debug mode |
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| 22:01.09 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: girlfriend? what, for a developer? |
| 22:01.25 | CrashChaos | Shadowcat: how? I just booted with expert |
| 22:01.31 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: speak of the devil, i thought i was destined to a life of celibacy. there is hope after all! |
| 22:01.36 | Shadowcat | CrashChaos: read the installer documentation |
| 22:01.51 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: I'm holding out for female robots. |
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| 22:02.20 | Shadowcat | organic or otherwise |
| 22:02.22 | CrashChaos | Shadowcat: which one are you refering to? I got two open.. neither of which even mentions the word debug |
| 22:02.33 | Shadowcat | the one for the debian installer |
| 22:02.38 | Shadowcat | !tell CrashChaos about d-i |
| 22:02.45 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: shouldn't be long |
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| 22:03.08 | Sivik | anyone here view .cbr files |
| 22:03.15 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: sigh well i guess it's off to install the eighth copy of mediawiki on this box |
| 22:03.20 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: good luck |
| 22:03.25 | Shadowcat | cbr is just a fancy name for rar |
| 22:03.32 | cbr | no it's not |
| 22:03.41 | Shadowcat | yes it is |
| 22:03.42 | CrashChaos | Shadowcat: so what am I going to do with that considering it doesn't even have documentation available for amd64 ? |
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| 22:03.46 | Sivik | !cbr |
| 22:03.46 | dpkg | i heard cbr is Constant Bit Rate, but no modern codec is *truly* CBR; even MP3 codecs use a bit reservoir between frames, so a better term is ABR (Average Bit Rate), or a digital comic book file type |
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| 22:03.59 | Sivik | Shadowcat: thats right |
| 22:04.07 | Sivik | Shadowcat: its a .zip or .rar renamed |
| 22:04.20 | Shadowcat | so in other words stop being lazy and just unzip/unrar the thing |
| 22:04.22 | jjazz | .cbr = .rar .cbz = .zip |
| 22:04.28 | SerajewelKS | Sivik: 'file' is your friend |
| 22:04.44 | Sivik | i have cbrpager installed, but its telling me that .cbr is an invalid file type |
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| 22:04.56 | jjazz | Sivik: Can you unrar it? |
| 22:05.01 | jjazz | Sivik: It might be corrupted. |
| 22:05.13 | Shadowcat | CrashChaos: so read the x86 documentation, the installer arguments are the same irrespective of platform unless you're passing module parameters |
| 22:05.17 | Sivik | not sure, let me try |
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| 22:05.55 | t35t0r | what's the similar command on debian to redhat chkconfig or gentoo rc-update ? |
| 22:06.06 | jjazz | !nickometer t35t0r |
| 22:06.08 | dpkg | 't35t0r' is 98.940% lame, jjazz |
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| 22:06.36 | JoshH | update-rc.d? |
| 22:06.52 | cbr | !nickometer cbr |
| 22:06.53 | dpkg | 'cbr' is 0.000% lame, cbr |
| 22:06.54 | Sivik | jjazz: what would i enter at tar to unrar it |
| 22:06.57 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: update-rc.d |
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| 22:07.07 | Shadowcat | !nickometer SerajewelKS |
| 22:07.08 | SerajewelKS | we need a bot to answer that question |
| 22:07.09 | dpkg | 'SerajewelKS' is 8.000% lame, shadowcat |
| 22:07.15 | hjubal | does anyone have 'ie6_overrides.reg' to install ie6 in wine? |
| 22:07.31 | Shadowcat | hjubal: ask in #winehq |
| 22:07.32 | t35t0r | hjubal, use the ies4linux script |
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| 22:07.47 | hjubal | Shadda, t35t0r TNX :) |
| 22:07.48 | jjazz | Sivik: I'm not sure tar does rar files. Try tar -xvvf |
| 22:07.53 | pipeline | hjubal: sidenet config |
| 22:08.01 | t35t0r | everyone should use rar |
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| 22:08.04 | pipeline | Sivik: You need a special tool, rar. |
| 22:08.11 | t35t0r | unless your architecture can't handle it |
| 22:08.16 | pipeline | t35t0r: rar costs 40$; tar+bz2 is free. |
| 22:08.23 | jjazz | Sivik: you might need the non-free rar too |
| 22:08.24 | t35t0r | pipeline, rar is free for use |
| 22:08.28 | Sivik | ok |
| 22:08.31 | t35t0r | i've never had to pay for it |
| 22:08.42 | t35t0r | splitting archives in tar + bz2 is a pain |
| 22:08.51 | Sivik | jjazz: whats a gui for rar |
| 22:09.01 | Shadowcat | pfft gui |
| 22:09.03 | t35t0r | Sivik, there is none on linux but winrar works under wine |
| 22:09.06 | Shadowcat | you don't need a gui for rar |
| 22:09.08 | jjazz | Sivik: I have no idea. I'm not muchfor guis. |
| 22:09.09 | beardy | ... |
| 22:09.15 | Shadowcat | man unrar |
| 22:09.16 | Shadowcat | man rar |
| 22:09.18 | t35t0r | heh you asked that question in #debian |
| 22:09.48 | beardy | t35t0r: you answered that question in #debian |
| 22:10.17 | t35t0r | beardy, yes more answering noob questions and less !nickometer |
| 22:10.20 | t35t0r | it doesn't help anyone |
| 22:10.41 | CrashChaos | Shadowcat: and where do I get the logs from BOOT_DEBUG=2 ? |
| 22:10.45 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: why the fuck would you ever need to split an archive |
| 22:11.00 | t35t0r | SerajewelKS, to split files across dvd's |
| 22:11.13 | t35t0r | or any other media |
| 22:11.14 | pipeline | t35t0r: It's a pain to use "split" and "cat" ? |
| 22:11.19 | t35t0r | pipeline, yes |
| 22:11.20 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: that's what "split" is for |
| 22:11.41 | kspath | SerajewelKS: some people like to keep 100 GB of data in one file for some reason. |
| 22:11.58 | t35t0r | gimme the command using split that splits a directory into 100M tar.bz2 files each |
| 22:12.01 | Sivik | file.cbr is not RAR archive |
| 22:12.12 | jjazz | kspath: It's tidier that way! |
| 22:12.24 | pipeline | Sivik: cbr is an image slideshow format used to pirate comic books. |
| 22:12.29 | pipeline | Sivik: You need a cbr reader. |
| 22:12.30 | Sivik | pipeline, yes i know that |
| 22:12.43 | Sivik | pipeline: i have cbrpager but when i run it, it says my files are not a valid file type |
| 22:12.45 | pipeline | t35t0r: You create the archive, then you split it, fool. |
| 22:12.46 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: tar -c somedirectory | split -b $((100 * 1024 * 1024)) - outputfileprefix |
| 22:12.48 | jjazz | Sivik: Either the file isn't what you think it is or your manga was corrupted on download. |
| 22:13.01 | Sivik | jjazz: i'm downloading them via torrent |
| 22:13.01 | t35t0r | SerajewelKS, with compression |
| 22:13.02 | kspath | t35t0r: splitdir script just wrote it. You can not have it. |
| 22:13.09 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: tar -c somedirectory | bzip2 -9 | split -b $((100 * 1024 * 1024)) - outputfileprefix |
| 22:13.20 | t35t0r | SerajewelKS, and that makes the tar.bz2 file ~100M? |
| 22:13.36 | jjazz | Sivik: It's entirely possible the person seeding is sending you broken files. There's not exactly a lot of quality control on bit torrent. |
| 22:13.39 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: it will split it into files of that sice, yes |
| 22:13.45 | t35t0r | ahh cool |
| 22:13.47 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: not ~100M. 100M. |
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| 22:13.54 | Sivik | i'm running from command and it says sh: unrar: command not found |
| 22:14.02 | t35t0r | here's the rar command : rar a -r -v100000k file.rar directory |
| 22:14.09 | SerajewelKS | !tell Sivik about installit |
| 22:14.22 | Sivik | SerajewelKS, no shit |
| 22:14.22 | jjazz | Sivik: have you installed unrar? |
| 22:14.25 | t35t0r | -m5 for max compression |
| 22:14.32 | Sivik | jjazz: is rar not the same as unrar |
| 22:14.42 | t35t0r | you can decompress using rar |
| 22:14.43 | t35t0r | rar x |
| 22:14.46 | t35t0r | i never use unrar |
| 22:14.52 | jjazz | Sivik: unrar is it's own package. |
| 22:14.53 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: yes. tar-bz2-split will compress more and is completely open |
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| 22:15.00 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: rar is a piece of shit used by warez noobs |
| 22:15.01 | Sivik | jjazz: ok |
| 22:15.05 | Sivik | jjazz: i just noticed that |
| 22:15.13 | t35t0r | SerajewelKS, you are a piece of shit egotistical bastard |
| 22:15.17 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: and by people with trule elite nicks! |
| 22:15.19 | Sivik | do i want the free or unfree version of unrar |
| 22:15.29 | epsilon | rar encoding is strongly non-free |
| 22:15.29 | jjazz | s/trule/truly/ |
| 22:15.30 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: apparently |
| 22:15.31 | t35t0r | but thanks for the split command |
| 22:15.58 | t35t0r | rar supports arj, zip, and some others including bz2 |
| 22:15.58 | jjazz | Sivik: the unfree version will open some archives that the free version will not. But of course, it's non-free. |
| 22:16.03 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: not egotistical per se. i don't see the used of a closed-source patent-encumbered tool. |
| 22:16.05 | t35t0r | and tar |
| 22:16.14 | t35t0r | SerajewelKS, i use what works |
| 22:16.20 | kspath | Sivik: Some "smrt" people that use commercial rar might send you something that the free unrar can not decompress. |
| 22:16.27 | Sivik | ok |
| 22:16.28 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: but if you wish to continue the ad hominem attacks i'm sure you'll find yourself in a worse place. |
| 22:16.38 | t35t0r | i didn't attack anything |
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| 22:16.54 | t35t0r | you assumed "SerajewelKS t35t0r: rar is a piece of shit used by warez noobs |
| 22:16.54 | t35t0r | Sivik jjazz: ok" |
| 22:17.03 | t35t0r | you don't even know what i use it for |
| 22:17.04 | epsilon | zip (not gzip) was non-free for long time, too |
| 22:17.08 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: that wasn't ad hominem |
| 22:17.12 | CrashChaos | great.. so I can successfully wget anything.. but the installer says my network config is not working.. what the ? |
| 22:17.15 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: that was a statement about rar, not about you |
| 22:17.28 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: if you wish to turn it into one that's your own perogative i suppose |
| 22:17.31 | t35t0r | any kind of generalization is not good |
| 22:17.39 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: ... including that one? |
| 22:17.43 | jjazz | CrashChaos: just ignore it. But you'll have to manually edit /etc/network/interfaes after the install is don. |
| 22:17.46 | jjazz | done even |
| 22:17.52 | t35t0r | yes |
| 22:18.00 | epsilon | *actually* that warez scene is using rar is the sign about good performance and usability of rar |
| 22:18.05 | t35t0r | hah |
| 22:18.24 | CrashChaos | jjazz: and how do I ignore that thing when I cannot continue because network configuration failed ? |
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| 22:18.39 | epsilon | I personaly use rar to split huge system backup files in CD/DVD size |
| 22:18.50 | Sivik | there we go, now some of the files are corrupt i guess |
| 22:18.53 | t35t0r | yup same here |
| 22:18.55 | jjazz | CrashChaos: choose cancel or escape or back or whatever and go to the main menu that lists the install steps. Then choose the next step. |
| 22:18.56 | kspath | I doubt "warez screne" cares about free or non-free or licenses or much of anything but themselves. |
| 22:19.03 | Sivik | i'm assuming thats what it means when it says the file isn't a valid file type |
| 22:19.04 | SerajewelKS | epsilon: so now your backup is held in a nonfree container |
| 22:19.14 | CrashChaos | jjazz: the next cannot be run because it wants me to configure the network first !! |
| 22:19.19 | epsilon | SerajewelKS: and? unrar is free |
| 22:19.25 | SerajewelKS | epsilon: as in beer |
| 22:19.32 | Sivik | cannot open file 'filename.cbr': unknown file type |
| 22:19.47 | t35t0r | what does file tell you what it is |
| 22:19.49 | jjazz | CrashChaos: I know it can be done. I just went through this a few days ago. I'm sorry I don't remember the exact sequence of keys, but I did it multiple times. |
| 22:19.50 | aboyousif | guys.. who can lead me to a good debian wallpapers site ? |
| 22:19.56 | epsilon | SerajewelKS: waht's the problem, I can unrar it anytime on any linux/windows box |
| 22:20.02 | tarzeau | aboyousif: www.thehun.net |
| 22:20.05 | Sivik | t35t0r, are you asking me? |
| 22:20.23 | SerajewelKS | epsilon: IMO rar is evil for roughly the same reasons mp3 is evil |
| 22:20.24 | kspath | At what point if ever will rar/unrar be thought off-topic or unhelpful? |
| 22:20.28 | jjazz | CrashChaos: Is there an option to "continue without configuring the network"? |
| 22:20.41 | CrashChaos | jjazz: I wouldn't be short of going insane if there was |
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| 22:20.56 | epsilon | SerajewelKS: any technical reason for that, or only rar is used by warez scene and you don't like this? |
| 22:21.20 | t35t0r | Sivik, yes what does file filename.cbr say ? |
| 22:21.30 | jjazz | CrashChaos: When the network conifig fails, you get dumped into a screen that gives you a bunch of options on retrying the config. I think that is where I saw the "continue anyway" option. |
| 22:21.42 | SerajewelKS | epsilon: rar and mp3 are both patented and thus suffer implementation license problems. |
| 22:21.42 | Sivik | t35t0r, what do you mean what does it say |
| 22:21.53 | t35t0r | Sivik, run file whatevercbr |
| 22:22.07 | epsilon | SerajewelKS: and the *technical* reason? |
| 22:22.23 | t35t0r | how do i tell what package a library came from ? |
| 22:22.24 | CrashChaos | jjazz: not here. I get the red screen saying Installation step failed. when I hit continue I get thrown directly back into the main menu |
| 22:22.29 | SerajewelKS | epsilon: there has to be a technical reason? ... there can't be a legal reason? |
| 22:22.42 | EdLin | epsilon: the technical reason is that people who violate patents can go to jail |
| 22:22.45 | jjazz | CrashChaos: what other options besides continue are there? |
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| 22:22.57 | Sivik | -bash: run: command not found |
| 22:22.58 | jjazz | EdLin: That's just a technicality, though. |
| 22:22.58 | Sivik | !run |
| 22:23.03 | CrashChaos | jjazz: none |
| 22:23.04 | EdLin | epsilon: it's the same reason why Debian doesn't let you apt-get your favorite bandz in mp3 form. ;-) |
| 22:23.06 | t35t0r | Sivik, "file blah.cbr" |
| 22:23.10 | jjazz | Sivik: at the commandline, type 'file filename' |
| 22:23.24 | EdLin | or any form :-) |
| 22:23.24 | jjazz | Sivik: (replace filename with the cbr file you're trying to open) |
| 22:23.25 | Coweater | EdLin: ack don't mix up patents and copyrights |
| 22:23.26 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: not quite |
| 22:23.35 | t35t0r | how do i tell what package a library came from ? can i do this using apt-get ? i don't see the option |
| 22:23.37 | Sivik | filename.cbr: data |
| 22:23.42 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: dpkg -L |
| 22:23.45 | SerajewelKS | t35t0r: err, dpkg -S |
| 22:23.56 | t35t0r | ahh i kept trying to run deb for somereason |
| 22:23.57 | t35t0r | thanx |
| 22:24.04 | jjazz | CrashChaos: Hrm. When you end up in the main menu, what is the step listed under config the network? |
| 22:24.15 | Sivik | jjazz, is it bad if it just says data |
| 22:24.20 | CrashChaos | jjazz: continue installation remotely using SSH, after that it's the mirror choosing |
| 22:24.39 | CrashChaos | jjazz: neither of which works because of the failed net conf |
| 22:24.44 | EdLin | Coweater: there is a difference in how to be complient with them, but non-complience has similar results. |
| 22:24.46 | jjazz | Sivik: I think that means the file is junk |
| 22:25.02 | Sivik | ok |
| 22:25.23 | jjazz | CrashChaos: If you drop to a shell or another virtual terminal, you can ping out and wget files? |
| 22:25.30 | Sivik | how do i get into file browser from terminal |
| 22:25.40 | jjazz | Sivik: mc |
| 22:25.44 | Sivik | ok |
| 22:25.50 | CrashChaos | jjazz: there doesn't seem to be a ping command available, but yes.. wget works absolutely perfect |
| 22:26.17 | jjazz | CrashChaos: weird. I don't know what to tell you. It worked for me. I guess they changed the insaller. |
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| 22:26.40 | CrashChaos | is there maybe a way to set the mirror manually ? |
| 22:26.46 | jjazz | CrashChaos: You could set the mirror manually by editing /etc/apt/sources.list, but I don't know if it will let you continue after that |
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| 22:27.04 | CrashChaos | can't get any worse.. so it's worth a try |
| 22:27.15 | jjazz | (and I don't recall if the installer does other stuff in that step that you would be missing) |
| 22:27.26 | CrashChaos | hrm.. I don't even have /etc/apt existing ? |
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| 22:27.58 | jjazz | CrashChaos: Are you past the point where you reboot during the install? |
| 22:28.15 | CrashChaos | jjazz: not even near that |
| 22:28.38 | jjazz | CrashChaos: ugh. We're out of my depth, then. Sorry. |
| 22:28.41 | CrashChaos | jjazz: I just loaded the installer components from CD and detected the network hardware |
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| 22:29.01 | jjazz | CrashChaos: Have you partitioned the drive? |
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| 22:29.38 | CrashChaos | jjazz: it's been partitioned from my old distribution.. but that's one step I haven't done yet in the menu when going top-down |
| 22:29.41 | polishkoop | is youboy in here? i forgot your name sorry. It didn't work |
| 22:30.05 | jjazz | CrashChaos: Yeah, I'm out of ideas. Sorry. |
| 22:30.19 | polishkoop | is there a way to get a list of people on this channel right now? |
| 22:30.52 | jjazz | polishkoop: /who |
| 22:31.03 | beardy | polishkoop: to do what? |
| 22:31.04 | CrashChaos | this is kinda ridiculous.. just like linux was 10 years ago.. almost no way of getting it to work |
| 22:31.07 | stoned | hi |
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| 22:31.16 | polishkoop | what beardy? |
| 22:31.17 | jjazz | polishkoop: The person you seek, aboyousif, left. |
| 22:31.18 | Sivik | !file |
| 22:31.21 | Sivik | !browser |
| 22:31.21 | dpkg | browser is, like, Most commonly used to refer to a software program used to look at World Wide Web pages. |
| 22:31.34 | Sivik | !filebrowser |
| 22:31.35 | stoned | Sivik, /msg dpkg keyword |
| 22:31.37 | polishkoop | oh thanks a lot guys, im sorry if I have been a bother but I'm extremely new to this whole thing. Linux also. |
| 22:31.43 | Sivik | stoned: i'm trying that |
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| 22:31.52 | EdLin | CrashChaos: installing linux kernel 0.95 was a lot easier than gentoo stage 1. |
| 22:31.53 | beardy | polishkoop: I meant what you needed a list of all the people in here for. |
| 22:31.57 | kspath | polishkoop: /lastlog polishkoop |
| 22:32.30 | schippes | just upgraded my thinkpad T41 from sarge to testing, everything ok, but while the PC is idle (no xorg server running) it sometimes freezes (like the win98 auto freezing feature), are there known issues about stability? where should i begin tracking the problem? |
| 22:32.35 | beardy | Sivik: What are you looking for? |
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| 22:32.51 | CrashChaos | EdLin: well with gentoo nowadays I just throw in the installer CD and follow the installation routine.. not a single install problem on 5 machines over several years.. and debian? most installer isos don't even recognize the hard drive |
| 22:32.53 | Sivik | a file manager that i can run from terminal thats a has a gui |
| 22:33.00 | sandman | http://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/system/emulators/wine/wine-0.9.15.tar.bz2 <== why does ibiblio put wine under "emulators"? It's not an emulator! |
| 22:33.01 | Sivik | beardy, without having to install gnome |
| 22:33.07 | jjazz | Sivik: midnight commander |
| 22:33.10 | polishkoop | I'm having trouble installing my GUI for debian etch. I've tried to reconfigure xserver-xorg but I end up getting a green screen with some red vertical lines on it when I startx |
| 22:33.14 | beardy | Sivik: You don't need that. But if you think you do, mc. |
| 22:33.14 | EdLin | CrashChaos: what kind of hard drive do you have? |
| 22:33.24 | CrashChaos | EdLin: SATA drive |
| 22:33.27 | jjazz | Sivik: apt-get install mc |
| 22:33.33 | Sivik | beardy: mc is a terminal program, already installed it and tried to use it |
| 22:33.38 | Sivik | jjazz: already have it |
| 22:33.47 | beardy | Sivik: try not, do or do not |
| 22:33.57 | CrashChaos | EdLin: the only iso I found so far which recognizes it gives me that horribly stupid network configuration failure which isn't even a failure because network just works |
| 22:34.03 | Sivik | beardy, i used mc, wasn't what i was looking for |
| 22:34.04 | jjazz | Sivik: What window manager are you using? |
| 22:34.08 | pipeline | Sivik: Your best bet is emacs if you don't like mc. |
| 22:34.15 | pipeline | Sivik: I'm not kidding. emacs dired is really nice. |
| 22:34.17 | Sivik | jjazz: enlightenment |
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| 22:34.37 | beardy | Sivik: You said "from terminal", and with gui? Make up your mind. |
| 22:34.38 | Sivik | i'm install emacs |
| 22:34.40 | pipeline | Sivik: it's even nicer if you use emacs-multi-tty... |
| 22:34.45 | stoned | I just got home from work, now I am going to do my thing and get 'enlightened' ;) |
| 22:34.58 | polishkoop | I'm having trouble installing my GUI for debian etch. I've tried to reconfigure xserver-xorg but I end up getting a green screen with some red vertical lines on it when I startx |
| 22:35.00 | jjazz | Sivik: you want the enlightenment file manager... efm |
| 22:35.03 | pipeline | stoned: I much prefer to be enheavied. |
| 22:35.03 | t35t0r | are there any auto-updating services installed by default with Debian ? |
| 22:35.09 | Sivik | !efm |
| 22:35.09 | dpkg | i guess efm is Enlightenment File Manager and since its no longer available from enlightenent.org (discontinued development, enlightenment is enveloping is again in E17) , or you can add this line to your sources.list: "deb http://people.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads efm-cvs/" |
| 22:35.10 | stoned | ehe |
| 22:35.13 | stoned | pipeline, hi |
| 22:35.15 | beardy | Sivik: what's wrong with mc anyway? |
| 22:35.29 | jjazz | Sivik: or maybe check out rox-filer |
| 22:35.35 | jonas3 | !windowmaker |
| 22:35.36 | dpkg | methinks windowmaker is the BRAZILIAN window manager, flexible and highly configurable. Developed by Alfredo K. Kojima <kojima@conectiva.com.br>. |
| 22:35.37 | Sivik | jjazz: i'm installing emac |
| 22:35.40 | stoned | pipeline, you wouldn't beleive how hot it is outside, you could literally take water in a pan and boil an egg |
| 22:35.41 | pipeline | stoned: pot is for losers. Real men go to their perfectly legal local package liquor and get heavy. |
| 22:35.46 | jonas3 | !fluxbox |
| 22:35.46 | dpkg | i heard fluxbox is a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information. |
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| 22:35.55 | beardy | jonas3: Your point? |
| 22:35.57 | Sivik | stoned, how hot is it at your house right now? |
| 22:36.01 | Sivik | stoned: its close to 100 here |
| 22:36.02 | jjazz | Sivik: If you want a graphical file browser, emacs isn't the thing for you. You want rox-filer or nautilus or something like that. |
| 22:36.03 | stoned | pipeline, I could say the same about alcohol. But why dont' we both just say to each his own |
| 22:36.06 | stoned | Sivik, here too |
| 22:36.14 | stoned | Sivik, I keep my apt pretty cool |
| 22:36.14 | Sivik | jjazz: yes, but i don't want nautilu |
| 22:36.21 | jonas3 | nuthing, just wanted to know? Something wrong with that? |
| 22:36.24 | stoned | Sivik, what are you looking for? |
| 22:36.26 | t35t0r | are there any auto-updating services installed by default with Debian , like up2date or yum ? |
| 22:36.27 | jjazz | Sivik: rox-filer then |
| 22:36.31 | beardy | jonas3: /msg dpkg factoid |
| 22:36.39 | t35t0r | something seems to have broken automatically and it was working previously so I'm just checking |
| 22:36.40 | EdLin | CrashChaos: I don't have a SATA drive, but there's a specially made Sarge installer with a recent kernel on it, I don't remember the site but it's in the .jp TLD |
| 22:36.46 | beardy | jonas3: Not at all, it's great. |
| 22:37.04 | stoned | EdLin, whats wrong with the debian installer? |
| 22:37.17 | Sivik | there we go |
| 22:37.17 | EdLin | stoned: he has a SATA drive that isn't supported by it apparently |
| 22:37.19 | Sivik | thanks jjazz |
| 22:37.28 | sandman | May I use winehq's "ubuntu" sources with Debian Etch/Sid? |
| 22:37.31 | stoned | xfm > else |
| 22:37.36 | stoned | or gentoo for that matter |
| 22:37.39 | kspath | Sivik: You like rox? |
| 22:37.39 | stoned | gentoo is sweet |
| 22:37.50 | Sivik | kspath, yes |
| 22:37.55 | stoned | If I use anything but konqueror, it would be gentoo |
| 22:38.02 | sandman | stoned: Gentoo is crap, imho. But let's not start a distro holy war, okay? |
| 22:38.04 | beardy | sandman: You may do whatever you want, but you may not whine about it here, if something goes wrong with it. |
| 22:38.10 | stoned | sandman, you're an idiott |
| 22:38.13 | jjazz | sandman: Sure, but mixing distros is unsupporte and may give undefined behavior. Have fun though :) |
| 22:38.16 | EdLin | sandman: he's talking about the file manager, not the distro |
| 22:38.25 | sandman | Oh. |
| 22:38.31 | stoned | yeah, don't you feel stupid now? |
| 22:38.35 | sandman | No, actually |
| 22:38.44 | pipeline | sandman, jjazz : winehq is a rare exception to the rule |
| 22:38.47 | kspath | sandman: apt-cache search rox |
| 22:38.55 | jjazz | pipeline: Really, how so? |
| 22:38.59 | jetscreamer | stoned: i still know it's you :) |
| 22:39.00 | pipeline | sandman, jjazz : It has two packages and no dependencies to speak of. |
| 22:39.05 | stoned | jetscreamer, who man? |
| 22:39.09 | pipeline | sandman, jjazz : If you're on sid, it should be perfectly safe. |
| 22:39.12 | jetscreamer | yu! |
| 22:39.16 | stoned | jetscreamer, I have no idea what you are talking about, ever |
| 22:39.18 | pipeline | sandman, jjazz : It will, of course, break etch into a million pieces. |
| 22:39.19 | jjazz | pipeline: That's good to know. Thanks. |
| 22:39.22 | jetscreamer | yeah well |
| 22:39.23 | t35t0r | heh who mixed distro's? |
| 22:39.28 | jetscreamer | !xfe |
| 22:39.30 | sandman | pipeline: Using winehq's deblines? |
| 22:39.34 | t35t0r | gentoo has an rpm ebuild so you can install rpm and use that if you want |
| 22:39.37 | jjazz | pipeline: I hate it when somebody tries to shake my etch! |
| 22:39.38 | pipeline | sandman: Yes. Don't do that with etch. |
| 22:39.41 | t35t0r | but that;'s insance |
| 22:39.49 | EdLin | sid has two of the letters of LSD for a reason |
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| 22:40.10 | sandman | pipeline: So what makes it so incompatible with etch? |
| 22:40.11 | jjazz | EdLin: Whoa, you just blew my mind. |
| 22:40.12 | pipeline | EdLin: They're fantastically common letters in the english language? |
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| 22:40.14 | pipeline | sandman: libc. |
| 22:40.14 | sandman | pipeline: I have etch/sid right now |
| 22:40.16 | stoned | jetscreamer, I think I saw you in ubuntu one time, because a few months ago I had ubuntu installed on my laptop, yes, that IS where I saw you, but other than that, I have no idea who you think I am |
| 22:40.20 | EdLin | pipeline: it's a joke |
| 22:40.32 | sandman | pipeline: pinned @ etch, I use etch/sid. Wouldn't it work just fine? |
| 22:40.39 | sandman | I don't use _just_ etch. |
| 22:40.44 | pipeline | sandman: Sometimes. Etch will eventually fall behind sid. |
| 22:40.51 | EdLin | pipeline: the most common letters in the english language are etaonrishrdlu |
| 22:40.54 | pipeline | sandman: Ubuntu is always six months behind etch, chronologically. |
| 22:40.59 | sandman | pipeline: If something I'm trying to install needs a package in sid, it'll use that. |
| 22:41.05 | CrashChaos | EdLin: shouldn't etch be able to handle SATA drives? |
| 22:41.19 | EdLin | CrashChaos: I don't know, possibly. |
| 22:41.29 | stoned | with a 2.4 + patch or 2.6 kernel sarge works with sata drives |
| 22:41.44 | jetscreamer | stoned: yeah i tried hanging in there to help.... but no it's when you first came on irc. let me put it this way: do you smoke pot? have you ever mentioned that on irc? did you try out a different nick when you first started coming here? (do we care? :) ) |
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| 22:42.51 | EdLin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:43.08 | kspath | I wish sata was the same on all boards. |
| 22:43.09 | stoned | jetscreamer, hence the nickname. I've always had the same one, and I've always been known to toke up, and no I don't care if you care, and I also don't care for your confrontations, and any in the future will be ignored. You are mistaken about my identity, and I would appreciate it if you would stop 'potentially' slandering me |
| 22:43.27 | jetscreamer | no i'm not wurng |
| 22:43.35 | jetscreamer | but it doesn't matter |
| 22:43.50 | EdLin | kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2614.htm |
| 22:43.54 | EdLin | is where you can find it |
| 22:43.56 | jetscreamer | plz feel free to /ignore me if you feel the need |
| 22:44.06 | stoned | oh no hostility mate, none at all |
| 22:44.15 | EdLin | CrashChaos: ^^^ |
| 22:44.15 | stoned | this is online, misunderstandings are inevitable |
| 22:44.20 | stoned | :) |
| 22:44.23 | kspath | jetscreamer: I have stoned on ignore. Not that it really matters. |
| 22:44.41 | tarzeau | stoned: have you been to debian-boot a day or two ago? |
| 22:44.52 | CrashChaos | EdLin: I'll try... though I'm not very confident anymore.. that's CD#6 now |
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| 22:44.58 | stoned | tarzeau, yes, I began working on localizing the installer in Urdu |
| 22:45.14 | tarzeau | stoned: i've gotten my issue fixed ;) |
| 22:45.27 | stoned | tarzeau, its a bit of much and hard work, but hopefully one day... soon |
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| 22:45.30 | CrashChaos | EdLin: oh I take that back.. I'm prolly not gonna try it.. freaking slow japanese server :/ |
| 22:45.33 | stoned | tarzeau, congrats, what did you do? |
| 22:45.40 | EdLin | CrashChaos: another is http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.15/sarge-custom-0206.iso |
| 22:45.45 | EdLin | that's 2.6.15 |
| 22:46.00 | stoned | thingfish! |
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| 22:46.07 | CrashChaos | EdLin: same server.. I'll have gray hair before I get that iso |
| 22:46.07 | iKernel | lol |
| 22:46.08 | tarzeau | stoned: echo -ne '#!/bin/sh\nexit 0\n' > /usr/bin/consolechars |
| 22:46.09 | EdLin | CrashChaos: it's a netinst image, I've gotten it via dial-up before |
| 22:46.09 | thingfish | wow what's going on, the # of people in the channel keeps shrinking. Is it because of oftc? |
| 22:46.12 | thingfish | hey bud |
| 22:46.17 | iKernel | I was playing ut2004, right |
| 22:46.19 | tarzeau | stoned: move the original to some backup file first, and restore it at the very end |
| 22:46.24 | stoned | thingfish, and I've got some of that too |
| 22:46.26 | stoned | hahaha |
| 22:46.40 | stoned | tarzeau, ingenius |
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| 22:46.44 | thingfish | stoned: I'd better get some pretty damn quick or there's going to be trouble. |
| 22:46.46 | iKernel | nvm |
| 22:46.55 | stoned | thingfish, people are hating on me for doing what I do |
| 22:46.56 | stoned | :( |
| 22:47.05 | iKernel | stoned, that's not ingenius, that's common. |
| 22:47.05 | stoned | I say, "don't be hatin'" |
| 22:47.08 | thingfish | stoned: what do you mean? |
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| 22:47.18 | CrashChaos | EdLin: it takes over an hour for a mere 140MB |
| 22:47.23 | stoned | nothing, I jsut rewatched Malibu's Most Wanted recently |
| 22:47.26 | iKernel | stoned, what do you do? |
| 22:47.31 | thingfish | oh hehe |
| 22:47.48 | iKernel | MALIBU STACEY?? OMFG |
| 22:47.49 | stoned | iKernel, I am majoring in Information Security and a minor in Jazz/Classical Theory/education |
| 22:47.57 | EdLin | CrashChaos: you're pampered, I'm on dial-up and some of my programs took 2 hours. |
| 22:48.10 | thingfish | yay! someone else stuck on dialup. |
| 22:48.15 | dabreegster | EdLin: Here here, me too. |
| 22:48.20 | thingfish | :) |
| 22:48.23 | stoned | I don't think I could do dialup again |
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| 22:48.27 | dabreegster | 10MB an hour... if I'm lucky. Not even 56kbps |
| 22:48.32 | stoned | I'll probably end up pulling my hair out |
| 22:48.37 | thingfish | well actually still pretty much half of america is still on dialup. |
| 22:48.42 | jetscreamer | !be a iKernel barbie |
| 22:48.42 | dpkg | Aww, iKernel is HARD! Let's go shopping, jetscreamer |
| 22:48.45 | stoned | my main things I need, RENT + cable internet |
| 22:48.50 | stoned | food comes later |
| 22:48.51 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 22:48.51 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:48.56 | CrashChaos | EdLin: of course I am. the stone age is over after all |
| 22:49.02 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 22:49.04 | iKernel | > ( |
| 22:49.07 | jetscreamer | the stoned age |
| 22:49.08 | thingfish | stoned: and well...um...other things too. |
| 22:49.08 | kspath | !barbie |
| 22:49.09 | dpkg | Reading the manual is HARD! |
| 22:49.12 | stoned | hahaha |
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| 22:49.21 | EdLin | CrashChaos: my ISP is free, the moment it goes away or starts charging the usual price I switch to DSL |
| 22:49.37 | stoned | thingfish, I am about to be working 2 fulltime jobs |
| 22:49.37 | thingfish | I'm just going to move to vancouver and work for a grower. |
| 22:49.38 | stoned | :( |
| 22:49.59 | thingfish | stoned: I'm about to get work too, got a call back today. nothing great though. |
| 22:50.03 | iKernel | stop playing with the bot |
| 22:50.05 | stoned | thingfish, sometimes I just want to go back to Pakistan and live there and smoke hashish and not work or go to school and just do whatever I want. |
| 22:50.07 | dabreegster | Is DSL cheap, reliable, and easy to set up? Do companies like Bellsouth ever use stupid software-based things to connect? |
| 22:50.08 | stoned | but... thats not life |
| 22:50.15 | CrashChaos | EdLin: I'm on the university pipe.. and I got used to simply cancelling downloads going at less than 100kb/s |
| 22:50.17 | stoned | I've tried it for 3 years back home, it gets old |
| 22:50.24 | thingfish | no, life is what happens outside of work. |
| 22:50.36 | jetscreamer | dabreegster: they make the clubies use that software stuff yeah, but afaict you don't have to |
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| 22:50.43 | thingfish | I've been on disability for 3 years, going back to work finally. |
| 22:50.46 | stoned | thingfish, can I msg you? |
| 22:50.49 | EdLin | CrashChaos: university pipes aren't free, they're just paid for by the government or parents. |
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| 22:50.54 | thingfish | stoned: sure I guess |
| 22:50.57 | stoned | thanks mate |
| 22:50.59 | dabreegster | jetscreamer: I might talk parents into it then |
| 22:51.03 | MatBoy | What is the best to use for internal backups on a second networkcard ? |
| 22:51.08 | iKernel | life is: flying, work if you're a piolt, going out with chicks, taking your dog for a walk outside |
| 22:51.25 | MatBoy | I have to "route" it in some way to that card |
| 22:51.37 | CrashChaos | EdLin: government.. which is good enough for me ;) |
| 22:51.39 | iKernel | huh? |
| 22:52.02 | iKernel | doing government work pays well :) |
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| 22:52.08 | EdLin | CrashChaos: at any rate, it's your choice. Computers multitask after all, just download it in the background where you can't see its CPS. ;-) |
| 22:52.08 | iKernel | but it's boring |
| 22:52.13 | CrashChaos | EdLin: but hey.. if there were proper debian isos supporting my stupidly common hardware I wouldn't have had to try half a dozen images |
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| 22:52.24 | iKernel | im going to go back to bed for a nap, brb |
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| 22:53.08 | jjazz | MatBoy: I'm guessing you need to read about routing tables |
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| 22:53.30 | MatBoy | jjazz, yep, I have to I guess, but isn;t there a easier way ? |
| 22:53.39 | EdLin | CrashChaos: SATA technology isn't that old, especially on non-server equipment |
| 22:53.49 | jjazz | MatBoy: Dunno. |
| 22:53.59 | MatBoy | jjazz, me neither :) |
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| 22:54.09 | jjazz | MatBoy: Why is your backup solution needing a second network interface? |
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| 22:54.20 | CrashChaos | EdLin: how come a 2005 gentoo CD auto-detects it right away then? |
| 22:54.37 | EdLin | CrashChaos: it has a different kernel |
| 22:54.41 | MatBoy | jjazz, security |
| 22:54.47 | ak70 | Hi, I just upgraded emacs-snapshot. But the package semantic does not go well with the new package, does anyone have the same problem? |
| 22:54.57 | CrashChaos | EdLin: a good one you wanted to say? |
| 22:55.06 | iKernel | hmm, i never noticed that before |
| 22:55.07 | jetscreamer | symantic or semantic |
| 22:55.13 | sirius_ | Hey if i changed my resp. to usntable to grab the old version of ATi installer if i switch them back to testing(the version i am using) will it ruin my old version of fglrx-driver by trying to update it ?????? |
| 22:55.21 | iKernel | The brand of my radio is the same as the brand of my monitor LOL |
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| 22:55.25 | EdLin | CrashChaos: comparing Debian with Gentoo here isn't a good way to win friends and influence people. |
| 22:55.27 | iKernel | :) |
| 22:55.31 | ak70 | semantic |
| 22:55.38 | jetscreamer | sirius_: just d/l whatever from pdo instead of all that |
| 22:55.43 | jjazz | MatBoy: ah |
| 22:55.51 | sirius_ | jetscreamer: pdo ? |
| 22:55.58 | jetscreamer | ~pdo |
| 22:56.00 | apt | rumour has it, pdo is http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
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| 22:56.19 | ak70 | part of cedet |
| 22:56.33 | CrashChaos | EdLin: i'm not here to win friends really.. I 'simply' wanted to get debian working |
| 22:56.34 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:56.40 | iKernel | lol @ apt |
| 22:56.49 | EdLin | CrashChaos: I've suggested a way, but you refuse to try it |
| 22:56.53 | jetscreamer | dale carnegie would be very disappointed in you CrashChaos |
| 22:57.02 | sirius_ | jetscreamer: yea but will it try to update my old version of fglrx-driver if the testing has the newer version ? |
| 22:57.14 | iKernel | -apt- VERSION blootbot 1.3.3 cvs (20060222) -- linux |
| 22:57.23 | iKernel | :) |
| 22:57.24 | CrashChaos | EdLin: it's downloading.. I'm just annoyed after trying half a dozen isos and have nothing else to do for the next hour than complain ;) |
| 22:57.49 | jetscreamer | sirius_: yeah when you do an upgrade unless you hold the packages, or do the apt-pinning thing |
| 22:58.04 | jetscreamer | @lart iKernel |
| 22:58.12 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 22:58.23 | Gnea | wet and grimy - heh |
| 22:58.48 | jetscreamer | when i first joined here, apt was the preferred bot... dpkg took over |
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| 22:59.03 | Gnea | it's all part of the backup system |
| 22:59.05 | iKernel | CrashChaos, Why not just stick with gentoo? While you have to compile everything that doesn't come in a pre-compiled installer (IE: loki), it boots faster, because you can choose much less crap |
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| 22:59.30 | Sivik | how do i get a file that i made in vi to work with bash |
| 22:59.38 | Sivik | it says cannot execute binary file |
| 22:59.43 | jetscreamer | chmod +x helps sometimes |
| 22:59.44 | jjazz | Sivik: man chmod |
| 22:59.47 | jetscreamer | or |
| 22:59.52 | Gnea | iKernel: i tried gentoo before, i found there was more crap to choose at install time than with debian |
| 22:59.56 | EdLin | booting faster isn't a big deal to people who have a decent attention span and leave their computers running |
| 23:00.04 | jetscreamer | put !#/bin/sh or so inside on top |
| 23:00.18 | Sivik | thats right, duh |
| 23:00.28 | jetscreamer | my bash skillz are lacking |
| 23:00.29 | CrashChaos | iKernel: been going with it for years.. but I'm getting lazy.. and portage fucks up all the time so I have to waste hours on getting stuff emerged which is broken, blocked or just otherwise annoying.. and being fed up with it as I am I thought I might as well give debian a try |
| 23:00.30 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 23:00.32 | iKernel | Gnea, Yeah, but you can just choose the exact programs that you really need, not all the crap that debian installs with without you asking. |
| 23:00.32 | Tykan | hello, can anyoe help me on how to mount the partitions once i start with rescue-mode? my dist cd has some kind of bug and won't update udev |
| 23:00.47 | Sivik | still says the same then when i run bash filename |
| 23:00.54 | Gnea | iKernel: that's why i always skip the whole tasksel bit :) |
| 23:00.58 | jjazz | iKernel: If you do a minimal debian install, you can skip the crap. |
| 23:00.58 | Sivik | file: file: cannot execute binary file |
| 23:01.01 | stew | iKernel: the only packages the debian installes without you asking is the base system |
| 23:01.05 | jetscreamer | yes tasksel bad! |
| 23:01.19 | iKernel | stew, wow, base system is alot |
| 23:01.29 | stew | iKernel: its currently about 450 megs |
| 23:01.32 | stew | iirc |
| 23:01.33 | EdLin | iKernel: when you're in tasksel, select manual installtion, while not installing quit, you won't even get most of the base system. |
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| 23:01.45 | stew | tasksel is good. people just need to make more tasks for it |
| 23:01.49 | EdLin | s/installing/installing anything/ |
| 23:01.52 | jetscreamer | Sivik: the first line in your file is something like #!/bin/sh right? |
| 23:02.02 | jetscreamer | (not !# doh) |
| 23:02.27 | Sivik | does it need to be #! or !#? |
| 23:02.32 | jetscreamer | (not !# doh) |
| 23:02.34 | jjazz | #! |
| 23:02.38 | Gnea | #! |
| 23:02.48 | iKernel | What I need is a distro which has a file server, printer drivers, spca5xx drivers (I can get them myself), joystick drivers and nvidia drivers (I can also get them myslef). |
| 23:03.06 | iKernel | oh and realtek drivers |
| 23:03.11 | iKernel | for my network card |
| 23:03.20 | Sivik | still didn't work |
| 23:03.24 | jetscreamer | i find the program joystick makes dev nodes for the joystick, doesn't work for me in debian w/o |
| 23:03.39 | jjazz | !doesn't work |
| 23:03.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:03.48 | jetscreamer | Sivik: how are you trying to exe it, what is your commandline |
| 23:03.57 | Sivik | bash filename |
| 23:04.05 | Sivik | i'm trying to run it as a bash |
| 23:04.14 | jetscreamer | try sh or just ./filename |
| 23:04.23 | EdLin | Sivik: chmod +x foo |
| 23:04.26 | iKernel | jetscreamer, Joystick works fine for me. Infact this Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold doesn't really work in winxp, but work fine in linux. |
| 23:04.37 | Sivik | EdLin, already did that |
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| 23:04.57 | Sivik | -bash: ./file: cannot execute binary file |
| 23:05.01 | Tykan | hello, how can i manually mount my partitions from the recovery mode? it creates vistual directories but it wont install the partitions |
| 23:05.04 | Sivik | file is the filename |
| 23:05.15 | jetscreamer | try sh |
| 23:05.27 | stew | Sivik: sed -i 's/\r//g' file |
| 23:05.58 | iKernel | Sivik, sh file |
| 23:06.13 | Sivik | file: file: cannot execute binary file |
| 23:06.22 | Sivik | no matter if i do it via sh or bash |
| 23:06.31 | Sivik | stew: nothing happened when i did it your way |
| 23:06.39 | iKernel | paste your script on pastebin.org |
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| 23:06.45 | stew | Sivik: what does "head -1 file" return? |
| 23:06.57 | iKernel | i mean |
| 23:07.03 | iKernel | pastebin.com |
| 23:07.14 | Sivik | i see why, nevermind |
| 23:07.17 | driller- | how do I convert a list of urls into html file in linux bash ? |
| 23:07.19 | jetscreamer | tell us why |
| 23:07.29 | jetscreamer | inquiring minds and all that |
| 23:07.56 | dabreegster | driller-: Loop through each url and print it to an html file with some sort of template |
| 23:08.09 | sirius_ | somethings wrong with my sources.list does anyone have a good working sources.list that they can pastebin for me im using testing with unstable packages |
| 23:08.13 | iKernel | driller-, wget link; wget link2; wget link3; cat link1 link2 link3 > 1file.html |
| 23:08.36 | jetscreamer | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 23:08.43 | jetscreamer | what more do you need, cept nerim |
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| 23:08.51 | iKernel | driller-, I doubt you will get decent results though |
| 23:09.00 | driller- | it wont work |
| 23:09.13 | stew | driller-: what is this list? a file with one url per line or something? |
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| 23:10.08 | sandman | Is freetype a library? |
| 23:10.13 | stoned | !bugs #319630 |
| 23:10.15 | dpkg | #319630:G[swf-player] swf-player: spawns dufunct (zombie) processes and does not work; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:18:02 UTC |
| 23:10.20 | driller- | stew yes |
| 23:10.23 | stoned | ahhh crap |
| 23:10.29 | driller- | a file with one url per line |
| 23:10.30 | stoned | its still open |
| 23:11.24 | stew | driller-: somethihng like: while read a ; do echo "<a href='$url'>link</a>" ; done < /path/to/urlfile > /path/to/output.html |
| 23:11.24 | stoned | is there another .swf player I can use ? |
| 23:11.25 | iKernel | crappy buggy linux flash player, all macromedia's fault |
| 23:11.32 | iKernel | good thing that adobe taken over |
| 23:11.37 | stew | driller-: make that while read url ; do... |
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| 23:11.43 | stoned | I tried searching but came up with not much except moz plugins etc. and decoder libs |
| 23:12.03 | driller- | stew I didnt get it |
| 23:12.19 | stew | driller-: /msg dpkg bash faq |
| 23:12.25 | jetscreamer | now for something we hope you really like |
| 23:12.28 | jetscreamer | sirius_: http://linux.hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list |
| 23:12.35 | sirius_ | thanks |
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| 23:13.28 | amee2k | how can i do 'wait' for a process whos shell is long gone and i only have the pid? |
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| 23:13.58 | iKernel | sometimes it looks like my dog is having a fit lol |
| 23:14.04 | iKernel | but then she gets back up |
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| 23:14.08 | jetscreamer | stoned: you tried that standalone flash player eh |
| 23:14.20 | stoned | yes |
| 23:14.29 | iKernel | jetscreamer, there's a standalone flash player? sweet! |
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| 23:14.32 | stoned | no dice though |
| 23:14.36 | jetscreamer | i sometimes find the vlc plugin works better |
| 23:14.40 | stoned | iKernel, swf-player |
| 23:14.43 | jetscreamer | not sure about on flash |
| 23:14.43 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:14.48 | iKernel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.58 | stoned | jetscreamer, thanks I'll take a peek |
| 23:15.11 | thingfish | mmm bacon |
| 23:15.19 | stoned | ok, serch vlc|grep swf returns nothing |
| 23:15.31 | jetscreamer | i know ppl who love bacon but say they won't eat pig/pork |
| 23:15.33 | stoned | thingfish, can't eat pig flesh |
| 23:15.39 | thingfish | I'm going to have to fry up some bacon in a little bit because I"m making green beans tonight. |
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| 23:15.44 | thingfish | stoned: you muslim? |
| 23:15.45 | amee2k | have a command running in the background and want to do like "wait <pid>; while true; do echo -ne "\007"; done" |
| 23:15.49 | sirius_ | jetscreamer: nerim is screaming about a public key ? |
| 23:15.50 | jjazz | a day without swine is like a day without sunshine |
| 23:15.50 | stoned | thingfish, no, just don't like it |
| 23:16.06 | amee2k | but wait only works for child processes of the shell i'm working with |
| 23:16.11 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: for what purpose? |
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| 23:16.15 | thingfish | stoned: yeah let's face it most meats really aren't all that good for a person. |
| 23:16.15 | jetscreamer | sirius_: either add it, or ignore it. it's ignorable, but worth the hassle of adding the key |
| 23:16.25 | stoned | thingfish, its actually very strange, when I am down and depressed and hopeless I am a Muslim, but when life is good, I am Agnostic |
| 23:16.26 | jetscreamer | what is the factoid for nerim's key? |
| 23:16.28 | Gimp_ | how can i go about making cURL work with php5-cli? (debian sarge) |
| 23:16.36 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 23:16.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 23:16.37 | amee2k | to get woken up when it has finished |
| 23:16.44 | sirius_ | jetscreamer: where do i get the key ? |
| 23:16.47 | jjazz | stoned: Obviously, you're religion is bringing you down. |
| 23:16.53 | jjazz | s/your/you're/ |
| 23:16.54 | jetscreamer | there's a factoid somewhere |
| 23:16.54 | thingfish | hah like he has one |
| 23:16.57 | stoned | jetscreamer, where can I score that vlc swf plugin |
| 23:17.04 | jetscreamer | you use gpgkey-add and blah blah then hey presto |
| 23:17.14 | stoned | jetscreamer, search vlc|grep swf and etc. don't return anything |
| 23:17.23 | stoned | is it packaged? or not? |
| 23:17.27 | jetscreamer | stoned: i said i'm not sure about for flash, but it's in sources.. probably non-free but i forget |
| 23:17.31 | stoned | I've got contrib and nonfree as well |
| 23:17.35 | jetscreamer | it's there |
| 23:17.36 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:17.39 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: Ideally you would have had it write to a file or execute something when that happens. In this case, what you can do is do while kill 0 pid; sleep 1s; done; blah something to do when it finishes; |
| 23:17.40 | stoned | sources you say |
| 23:17.42 | stoned | hold on |
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| 23:17.56 | jetscreamer | !listkeys key |
| 23:17.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'key' by key (15 of 128): #debian keys for apt ;; #debian-bots uk usb keyboards ;; 2006 key ;; _default 2006 key ;; _default marillat-key ;; _default ppc keycodes ;; _default testing-key ;; best whiskey ;; donkey ;; key server ;; keys for apt ;; marillat-key ;; mldonkey link ;; monkeyboy ;; uk usb keyoards. |
| 23:18.09 | jetscreamer | !marillat key |
| 23:18.09 | dpkg | For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 23:18.16 | amee2k | dondelelcaro: hm... ty |
| 23:18.20 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: this assumes of course that the pid won't get reused within 1 second of the process closing... but that'd be fairly unusual. |
| 23:18.35 | jetscreamer | !tell sirius_ -about apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 23:18.39 | amee2k | yeah |
| 23:18.42 | hjubal | goodnight |
| 23:19.04 | stoned | dondelelcaro, what is the exact difference between listvals and listkeys |
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| 23:19.19 | jetscreamer | stoned: it 'might' be on marillat not sure lemme check |
| 23:19.27 | stoned | jetscreamer, I've got those too |
| 23:19.32 | dondelelcaro | stoned: the first lists the values, the second lists keys. Keys are the part on the left of =is=>; values are on the right. |
| 23:19.53 | stoned | ahh |
| 23:19.57 | stoned | dondelelcaro, thank you sir |
| 23:20.05 | dondelelcaro | well, actually, they both list keys, but the first searches for things in values, the second for things in keys. |
| 23:20.07 | jetscreamer | !info mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 23:20.11 | jetscreamer | that^? |
| 23:20.14 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:20.15 | dpkg | mozilla-plugin-vlc: (multimedia plugin for web browsers based on VLC), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.5.debian-1 (sid), Packaged size: 759 kB, Installed size: 1928 kB |
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| 23:20.19 | smax | hi |
| 23:20.19 | amee2k | fuck |
| 23:20.23 | amee2k | sorry... |
| 23:20.25 | stoned | let me see |
| 23:20.35 | amee2k | dondelelcaro: that killed it... |
| 23:20.51 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: sorry, kill -0 pid; |
| 23:21.07 | amee2k | erm... ha ha ha |
| 23:21.11 | stoned | jetscreamer, I have it installed already, since last upgrade a few days ago mozilla-mplayer stopped working for me |
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| 23:21.38 | sandman | debian:/home/s/wine-0.9.15# apt-get build-dep wine |
| 23:21.38 | sandman | Reading package lists... Done |
| 23:21.38 | sandman | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 23:21.38 | sandman | E: Build-dependencies for wine could not be satisfied. |
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| 23:21.44 | stoned | jetscreamer, I open .swf file in firefox, no dice. vlc plugins AND the flash plugins are good in about:plugins. hell konqeuror is using those plugins as well |
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| 23:21.57 | sandman | Sorry. :( |
| 23:22.11 | stoned | jetscreamer, still, I am unable to play those .swf files. They don't give me an error, but nothing appears either, and no sound |
| 23:22.13 | smax | a shame there is no ftp command to remove a file. |
| 23:22.19 | dondelelcaro | smax: sure there is |
| 23:22.22 | jetscreamer | stoned: no idea then. i usually see a flash site i go somewhere else |
| 23:22.32 | thingfish | tell me about it |
| 23:22.40 | smax | dondelelcaro: ? doesent show one. at least not on my schools box |
| 23:22.42 | jetscreamer | i was about to say sure there is |
| 23:22.50 | smax | dondelelcaro: what is it? mabey i have my head up my ass |
| 23:22.54 | stoned | jetscreamer, well see thats the strange part, video.google.com and joecartoon.com and other flash stuff works in firefox |
| 23:22.56 | dondelelcaro | smax: rm |
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| 23:23.02 | thingfish | flash site=too much money spent on too artsy a web design firm. |
| 23:23.15 | jetscreamer | the gvids use the vlc plugin stoned, i can't watch em w/o it |
| 23:23.22 | stoned | but I downloaded a couple of .swf files from my guitar theory course, and they JUST won't fucking work |
| 23:23.27 | smax | dondelelcaro: that prompts me for a directory. if i provide a file, it says wrong dir syntax or something similar |
| 23:23.43 | sandman | What packages holds x development files? |
| 23:23.44 | stoned | jetscreamer, well, they don't use the vlc plugin, browser just needs a flash decoder lib |
| 23:23.47 | smax | err directory name is invalid |
| 23:23.50 | dondelelcaro | smax: then your ftp client is crap |
| 23:23.55 | dondelelcaro | smax: use lftp instad |
| 23:23.58 | smax | ok |
| 23:23.58 | dondelelcaro | s/a/ea/ |
| 23:23.59 | stoned | jetscreamer, but yes, if you have vlc it should work |
| 23:24.01 | stoned | and does work |
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| 23:24.12 | stoned | jetscreamer, I have also installed the vlc plugin |
| 23:24.17 | stoned | jetscreamer, I even tried mozplugger! |
| 23:24.22 | jetscreamer | i usually don't have vlc though, so i had to install the plugin |
| 23:24.38 | stoned | mplayer doesn't give me dvd menus, vlc does :D |
| 23:24.57 | jetscreamer | i use xine-ui, but then i use mencoder |
| 23:25.06 | stoned | word |
| 23:25.22 | stoned | I guess I'll have to boot up a virtual machine and try this in windows |
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| 23:26.12 | stoned | I gotta get this done next week, working on 1 1/2 octave scales, extended pentatonics, plagal modes mostly |
| 23:26.18 | stoned | which I suppose is french to you :) |
| 23:26.28 | thingfish | not really |
| 23:26.48 | thingfish | pentatonics=scale made of 5 tones? |
| 23:26.58 | stoned | thingfish, here is a nice one, 1,2,4,5,1,2,5. |
| 23:27.12 | thingfish | yeah now that is greek to me. |
| 23:27.14 | stoned | well this is extended, meaning the tonic is not the tonic, but the dominant is the tonic |
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| 23:27.27 | thingfish | well, not greek, because I actually understand a little greek. ;) |
| 23:27.50 | thingfish | and dominant is the same as the 5th? |
| 23:28.04 | thingfish | I only played piano for a couple years. |
| 23:29.03 | thingfish | oh well thank goodness it's friday - man I can't believe how off topic this is. |
| 23:29.23 | stoned | see, 1== root note. what you start with. 5th note in a scale is the dominant tone, or a perfect 5th. Most scales in western music start and end on the same note, like CDEFGABC etc. They _resolve_ to the root note, from the leading tone (7th note) to give a feeling of completeness. The plagal modes however, are not really modes, but rather individual scales, where the dominiant functions as the root to resolve on. So you basically resov |
| 23:29.24 | stoned | lve to the dominant in the 2nd octave, effectively playing 1.5 octaves in a scale. Sounds very minor, melodic and spacey |
| 23:29.24 | sirius_ | How can i improve DVD Playback it looks pretty good but when stuff is moving fast it gets a pit liney |
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| 23:29.47 | stoned | thingfish, immagine classical indian Raaga music on non-equal tempered instruments |
| 23:29.52 | stoned | anyway, I got way off tpic |
| 23:29.53 | stoned | haha |
| 23:30.07 | stoned | sorry, you speak music, you speak my language, it gets me going, anyway back to debian support |
| 23:30.08 | stoned | doh |
| 23:30.09 | dooglus | is there an apt repository with the gaim 2.0 beta in binary form? |
| 23:30.37 | thingfish | stoned: I don't see how you can hope to improve on traditional indian music, whether karnatik or north indian. |
| 23:31.00 | stoned | improve? hell no |
| 23:31.00 | thingfish | stoned: oh ok |
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| 23:31.11 | thingfish | because I mean that stuff is beyond sublime. |
| 23:31.13 | stoned | but, I am successfully fusing shred metal + classical indian raaga and unorthodox melodies |
| 23:31.27 | stoned | mostly dissonantly harmonized single melodic lines, contrapuntal mostly |
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| 23:31.54 | thingfish | yeah I heard that piece you showed me, and frankly I would've rather heard that done acoustically. |
| 23:32.30 | stoned | if you were on broadband i'd show you stuff that would change your mind. what I had for you was the shitty quality, low bitrate low filesize stuff cuz you're on dialup |
| 23:32.36 | thingfish | ay |
| 23:32.37 | stoned | it sounded horrible, even muddled out the tone of the uigar |
| 23:33.00 | stoned | now thats a typo, guitar* |
| 23:33.24 | thingfish | stoned: you ever hear any of that old stuff, done by mahavishnu john mcglaughlin and his group, shakti? |
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| 23:33.58 | sirius_ | How can i improve DVD Playback it looks pretty good but when stuff is moving fast it gets a pit liney |
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| 23:34.54 | jetscreamer | hey stoned flash, and on microsoft.com, works here :) |
| 23:34.56 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 23:35.01 | stoned | hmm |
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| 23:35.13 | stoned | flash works everywhere, just that when I open .swf files in browser nothing happens |
| 23:35.21 | sandman | There's no logical name for xorg's development library that I can find. |
| 23:35.22 | stoned | literally, nothing |
| 23:35.35 | sandman | I've been searching for something for about an hour now, I didn't want to ask for help but it's my last option :) |
| 23:36.01 | jetscreamer | xserver-xorg-dev ? |
| 23:36.13 | jetscreamer | !info xserver-xorg-dev |
| 23:36.20 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-dev: (X.Org X server -- development files), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.2-8 (sid), Packaged size: 287 kB, Installed size: 1644 kB |
| 23:36.26 | sandman | Thanks |
| 23:36.29 | jetscreamer | np |
| 23:36.48 | jetscreamer | there may be more, i know nothing... or not much |
| 23:37.23 | sandman | I take it meta-packages typically don't have development counterparts :) |
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| 23:39.02 | sandman | Hm. That apparently still didn't work. ./configure of wine 0.9.15 says it cannot find the x development files still |
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| 23:39.57 | cureless | sandman do you know which files it's failing to find? |
| 23:40.02 | sandman | Nope. |
| 23:40.04 | stoned | oh umm |
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| 23:40.17 | sandman | Otherwise I would have just used apt-file |
| 23:40.44 | stoned | jetscreamer, I have libflash-mozplugin.so AND libflashplayer.so installed for some reason in about:plugins in browser |
| 23:40.49 | stoned | jetscreamer, that can't be good can it |
| 23:40.50 | cureless | sandman: could it be some flags you're not giving it correctly? |
| 23:41.02 | stoned | jetscreamer, which one you think I should remove, stick with gpl or with flash it self |
| 23:41.10 | sandman | cureless: Flags? I'm just using wine's ./configure script |
| 23:41.26 | cureless | sandman: configure scripts do have flags you know. |
| 23:41.40 | cureless | sandman: what is the last line you get? |
| 23:41.41 | sandman | Indeed it does, but wine needs graphics. |
| 23:42.01 | sandman | Last line is config.status: executing include/wine commands |
| 23:42.06 | sandman | But hta'ts not what you're looking for. |
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| 23:42.21 | jetscreamer | stoned: lets see what is functioning here |
| 23:42.33 | sandman | It says "*** Warning: X development files not found. Wine will be built without" so on and so forth, and later "*** Warning: FreeType is missing." etc |
| 23:42.34 | stoned | alright, I'll remvoe the gpl first |
| 23:42.43 | stoned | and try it with the flash itself |
| 23:42.49 | tuv | hmm.. no more secure-testing.debian.net? security.debian.org should work for etch now? cool |
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| 23:44.46 | jetscreamer | File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 7.0 r63 |
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| 23:45.47 | sandman | Well, back to windows with me, can't dedicate any more time to this :) |
| 23:45.54 | sandman | Cyas |
| 23:46.05 | thingfish | aah poor sandman. |
| 23:46.10 | jetscreamer | !info xorg-dev |
| 23:46.17 | dpkg | xorg-dev: (the X.Org X Window System development libraries), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.21 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 23:46.18 | jetscreamer | too late |
| 23:46.18 | thingfish | the force was not with him. |
| 23:46.22 | jetscreamer | nope |
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| 23:46.40 | cureless | didn't he say he had that installed already? |
| 23:47.02 | jetscreamer | i 'think' he meant xserver-xorg-dev |
| 23:47.13 | lanchow | Q: i'm looking a man which says that the program *yes* sends y to stdout, is it stdout or stdin ? |
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| 23:47.32 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.36 | jetscreamer | you send out for take in |
| 23:47.51 | lanchow | oh |
| 23:47.57 | lanchow | ok, thanks for answer |
| 23:48.08 | jetscreamer | pizza pizza |
| 23:48.55 | vol | hey guys, i setup a 32bit chroot for my amd64 system but i cannot access usb devices |
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| 23:49.09 | vol | i bind mounted /dev to /var/chroot/dev but still no dice |
| 23:49.46 | stoned | jetscreamer, nothing happens with the official flash plugin, now I will remove this and try the gpl version |
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| 23:55.12 | stoned | argh, now I get segmentation faults |
| 23:56.11 | stoned | .swf files crashing firefox too with the gpl flash plugin, as well as the swfplayer |
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| 23:57.55 | liable | thats not a bug, its a feature :) |
| 23:58.16 | stoned | lol |
| 23:58.27 | stoned | I should fight my school, they shouldn't use flash |
| 23:58.29 | rxed | http://www.ethereal.com/lists/ethereal-dev/200606/msg00133.html |
| 23:58.31 | rxed | amazing. |
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| 23:59.42 | rxed | you work for a co. and they practicaly own you. I realy liked the name 'ethereal'. wireshark? I'm not 'biting'. |
| 23:59.57 | zamaliphe | i'm traying to downloading simple driver from ati and i cant do that case the web site is using ssl can any one to tell me what download mangear i should use for https: protocole |
