| 00:00.36 | stoned | umm wget |
| 00:00.40 | stoned | zamaliphe, wget |
| 00:01.15 | zamaliphe | stoned: i have tray wget -c allredy |
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| 00:01.53 | zamaliphe | stoned: try this url https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/wme-8-03-98-3-041103a-019079e.exe |
| 00:03.36 | zamaliphe | i mean it should be easy to download driver form ati now i know that i gone use nividia for all my life |
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| 00:05.11 | boolka | how does ubuntu compare to debian? |
| 00:05.26 | azeem | boolka: it's similar, but not equal |
| 00:05.47 | azeem | in general, this channel is for Debian end-user support and not discussions about various distributions, however |
| 00:07.11 | dondelelcaro | boolka: you may have better luck asking in #ubuntu, as they actually know what they've changed from Debian. |
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| 00:08.08 | musya___ | when i reboot my debian system, i try to log in, but it tells me that my system is still booting |
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| 00:08.18 | stoned | well, you take debian, throw some poo on it, and the end product is called Ubuntu |
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| 00:08.21 | reisio | !seen potato |
| 00:08.22 | dpkg | potato <~potato@200.80.231.196> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 395d 9h 22m 33s ago, saying: 'directhex|work but, could it be possible that the sata controller stops working after running a 2.4 kernel on that machine ?'. |
| 00:08.22 | dondelelcaro | musya___: that means that /etc/nologin has not been removed for some eason. |
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| 00:08.49 | musya___ | so what can i do about it? |
| 00:09.20 | magyar | !hi |
| 00:09.21 | dpkg | hello, magyar |
| 00:09.25 | dondelelcaro | musya___: log in as root and remove it; then see why /etc/rc2.d/S99rmnologin wasn't removed |
| 00:09.34 | magyar | !suck |
| 00:09.34 | dpkg | hmm... suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 00:09.35 | dondelelcaro | s/removed/executed/ |
| 00:09.46 | dondelelcaro | magyar: please use /msg to ask the bot questions |
| 00:09.58 | magyar | dondelelcaro: roger |
| 00:10.22 | rxed | Is it possible to 'unpack' or convert rpm to dpkg? |
| 00:10.31 | azeem | rxed: alien |
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| 00:10.40 | zamaliphe | ok i have get it no linux download can use ssl ... right |
| 00:10.42 | pipeline | rxed: It's easy to unpack using rpm2cpio. You can convert to deb format using alien. |
| 00:10.49 | azeem | rxed: but look twice whetehr maybe a .deb is available somewhere |
| 00:10.49 | rxed | azeem: no, I'm native. |
| 00:10.53 | dondelelcaro | rxed: however, you're better off using actual Debian packages when they're available though. |
| 00:10.56 | musya___ | how do you delete? whats the command? |
| 00:11.00 | pipeline | musya___: rm |
| 00:11.00 | azeem | rxed: alien is a command/package |
| 00:11.09 | rxed | azeem: I know. I was just kidding around. |
| 00:11.13 | azeem | rxed: hahaha |
| 00:11.20 | azeem | rxed: so why do you ask? |
| 00:11.20 | musya___ | ok i removed it |
| 00:11.21 | FabParma | !runlevel |
| 00:11.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, runlevel is 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels, or note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. |
| 00:11.23 | FabParma | !run level |
| 00:11.25 | zamaliphe | i have try kget and d4x and wget for now |
| 00:11.28 | stoned | argh |
| 00:11.35 | jetscreamer | more like |
| 00:11.36 | musya___ | do i restart now and try it out agian? |
| 00:11.38 | jetscreamer | !runlevel |
| 00:11.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, runlevel is 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels, or note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. |
| 00:11.45 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 00:11.47 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 00:12.31 | jetscreamer | !isuck |
| 00:12.44 | jetscreamer | yeah nobody made THAT factoid now did they |
| 00:13.08 | azeem | we're empathic enough to figure it out without the need of factois |
| 00:13.13 | azeem | factoids, even |
| 00:13.14 | FabParma | can youu tell me the name of the tool to add or remove application in a run level? |
| 00:13.15 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:13.23 | azeem | FabParma: update-rc.d |
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| 00:13.54 | rxed | Just curious, but why debian doesn't have separate runlevels for GUI and non-GUI logins? |
| 00:14.00 | stoned | man, I am getting more and more pissed off, this flash won't work and argh |
| 00:14.11 | FabParma | azeem ;- can i find it by apt? |
| 00:14.15 | lanchow | Q: please, can you say to me what's wrong : find ./ -iname *er* |
| 00:14.26 | stoned | gpl swfplayer segfaults, official flash plugin doesn't display anything |
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| 00:14.40 | jetscreamer | works here :) |
| 00:14.47 | pipeline | How can I enable the nautilus --no-desktop behaviour in Gnome 2.14.2 (etch/sid version) ? |
| 00:14.50 | jetscreamer | don't ask me why, i don't know |
| 00:14.54 | azeem | FabParma: see whether it's installed already, you need to run it as root |
| 00:14.56 | jetscreamer | i deed knot due it |
| 00:15.32 | lanchow | R: oh, because it needs "*er" |
| 00:15.40 | lanchow | "*er*" |
| 00:16.01 | FabParma | azeem ;- update-rc.d is a tool or it is an internal config file? |
| 00:16.06 | jetscreamer | it's usually A around me |
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| 00:16.40 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search runlevel |
| 00:16.47 | jetscreamer | try it you'll like it |
| 00:16.57 | jetscreamer | and won't believe you ate the whole thing |
| 00:17.24 | jetscreamer | you probably are a bum type person |
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| 00:17.28 | jetscreamer | !info bum |
| 00:17.30 | dpkg | bum: (graphical runlevel editor), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 80 kB, Installed size: 524 kB |
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| 00:18.05 | stoned | jetscreamer, alright, I remvoe everything related to flash, about:plugins shows nothing concerning flash. now, which package is most likely to work |
| 00:18.16 | jetscreamer | stoned: one moment |
| 00:18.30 | stoned | jetscreamer, or should I install the official one from thier site |
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| 00:18.33 | stoned | jetscreamer, take your time |
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| 00:18.43 | jetscreamer | we have to work around the warez |
| 00:18.50 | stoned | warez\ |
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| 00:19.01 | jetscreamer | (bandwidth joke) |
| 00:19.07 | stoned | over my head |
| 00:19.08 | stoned | hehe |
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| 00:20.07 | stoned | alright, while you're doing that, I'll go ahead and try each flash plugin one at a time |
| 00:20.10 | atp | hey folks. anyone know how i can make gtk (or i guess pango, really) default to a particular font for a particular class of characters? in this case, i'd like it to pick just one font for the Han block (at the moment it picks characters from a host of different fonts, making things rather less than readable) |
| 00:20.22 | atp | is there a pangorc file or similar? |
| 00:20.47 | Blissex | atp: '.gtkrc-2.0', fontsets |
| 00:21.16 | FabParma | !dpkg rcconf |
| 00:21.17 | dpkg | somebody said rcconf was a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out sysv-rc-conf ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 00:21.53 | atp | Blissex: any pointers on where I might find docs relating to that? |
| 00:22.05 | Blissex | atp: web search... |
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| 00:23.23 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! some one can the repositorio to download DR17(enlightenment)? |
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| 00:23.39 | atp | Blissex: thanks for the pointer :) |
| 00:24.00 | FabParma | i woul like to configure my Debian to start w/o graphic/xserver and start the xserver only when i need it. is it possible? |
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| 00:24.14 | musya___ | ok, i restarted and still get the same problem, cannot login because system is still booting |
| 00:24.34 | tuvwx | what happened to amarok-gstreamer? it did not get upgraded with amarok |
| 00:24.36 | H2OyJaBoN | FabParma, do u wanna start in "console"? |
| 00:24.46 | H2OyJaBoN | or "text mode"? |
| 00:25.12 | FabParma | H2OyJaBoN ; yes |
| 00:25.18 | H2OyJaBoN | FabParma, yes, it's posible! |
| 00:25.31 | H2OyJaBoN | u must change the runlevel to start |
| 00:25.38 | H2OyJaBoN | do u know it? |
| 00:25.45 | FabParma | i use my Debian as server normally |
| 00:26.02 | H2OyJaBoN | FabParma, ok ! |
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| 00:27.27 | FabParma | on a old pc (pentium 2) and i dont want lose resources to start x when it is not needed |
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| 00:27.37 | RainbowW | can somebody point me to one or more FOSS groupware packages? i need contact management, task management, and project tracking stuff ... |
| 00:27.38 | Agrajag- | tuvwx: im having the same problem. my amarok-xine crashes all the time - if i change volume, the track ends or i try to seek |
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| 00:28.14 | MegaByte | does anyone here use ivman? |
| 00:28.17 | abrotman | RainbowW: there are quite a few .. but do you want web based or not ? |
| 00:28.23 | abrotman | MegaByte: for elive? |
| 00:28.53 | jetscreamer | stoned: http://linux.hfds.com/debian_files/AboutPlug-ins.html |
| 00:28.53 | RainbowW | abrotman: web-based would be optimal but client-server based would be okay, if there are clients for multiple platforms. <achem> |
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| 00:29.05 | MegaByte | abrotman: elive? |
| 00:29.08 | abrotman | RainbowW: i like horde |
| 00:29.12 | abrotman | MegaByte: just ask your question |
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| 00:29.29 | tuvwx | Agrajag-, fortunately for me i don't have problems with xine engine, i was just wondering what happended to the other engines.. they are still supported according to amarok's website.. probably they will be upgraded soon |
| 00:29.32 | RainbowW | abrotman: will look. for task tracking we're currently using trac, and trac simply isn't designed for this. |
| 00:30.15 | MegaByte | abrotman: I just want to change the timeout and mountpoints in ivman. Do you know how? |
| 00:30.20 | abrotman | nope |
| 00:30.26 | H2OyJaBoN | FabParma, you must edit the file /etc/inittab, it's really simple! if u have problme tell me ok? |
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| 00:30.33 | tuvwx | Agrajag-, from amarok's website: Xine-Engine has been fixed -- specifically, memory usage bugs when crossfading, and the equalizer code" |
| 00:30.54 | Agrajag- | hmm.. doesn't work for me |
| 00:31.13 | abrotman | MegaByte: read the docs |
| 00:31.14 | FabParma | i use my Debian as server normally on a pentium 2 and i dont want lose resources using X when it is not needed. i'd like to start X only when i need it, is it possible? |
| 00:31.38 | MegaByte | abrotman: What docs |
| 00:31.43 | tuvwx | Agrajag-, hmm.. just noticed this line in amarok's website: "The aRts and GStreamer-0.8 engines have been removed, to get more manpower on GStreamer-0.10 engine development" |
| 00:31.45 | MegaByte | The ones from ivman's site? |
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| 00:31.58 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/ivman/* ? |
| 00:32.04 | H2OyJaBoN | FabParma, i said how yo do it! |
| 00:32.06 | RainbowW | FabParma: X is not like windows. Simply do not install stuff like gdm. (is that what's it called? it's been so long since i suppressed loading it i don't remember.) |
| 00:32.13 | Agrajag- | tuvwx: so i guess we gotta wait for gstreamer 0.10 to get into debian |
| 00:32.21 | stoned | oh fuck this god its pissing me off |
| 00:32.23 | jetscreamer | gdm is ok if you actually use it |
| 00:32.24 | stoned | im going back to windows |
| 00:32.26 | abrotman | MegaByte: or those |
| 00:32.27 | stoned | I gotta get this work done |
| 00:32.34 | stoned | at least flash works there |
| 00:32.41 | abrotman | i have working flash! |
| 00:32.45 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 00:32.51 | abrotman | not flash8 .. but i blame macromedia |
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| 00:33.01 | RainbowW | abrotman: you mean adobe. |
| 00:33.05 | MegaByte | abrotman: that would be great, except there's NOTHING there, smart ass |
| 00:33.07 | stoned | abrotman, flash works EVERYWHERE except .swf files I got from my guitar theory course and I think they are in 8 |
| 00:33.07 | Agrajag- | tuvwx: actually i noticed that gstreamer 0.10 is already in testing.. so guess it's just the amarok gstreamer engine we've got to wait for |
| 00:33.09 | jetscreamer | isn't there a version of flash that linux doesn't support yet? or am i confusing that with rar |
| 00:33.19 | jetscreamer | yeah flash 8 |
| 00:33.20 | tuvwx | Agrajag-, you mean amarok's gstreamer-0.10 engine? ya.. |
| 00:33.20 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 00:33.21 | stoned | jetscreamer, no flash 8 |
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| 00:33.31 | abrotman | MegaByte: there's nothing anywhere? |
| 00:33.40 | tuvwx | Agrajag-, that's what i meant :) |
| 00:33.41 | jetscreamer | there IS a rar that does that also |
| 00:33.45 | MegaByte | abrotman: That's the reason I'm asking here... |
| 00:33.47 | jetscreamer | version of |
| 00:33.52 | stoned | see ya'll later |
| 00:33.54 | jetscreamer | but it's flash also |
| 00:33.56 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 00:33.57 | H2OyJaBoN | FabParma, other way to do it is using update-rc.d -f <demons> (where demons are gdm, apache , etc) |
| 00:34.07 | jetscreamer | stoned. all that work for nothing |
| 00:34.12 | stoned | man |
| 00:34.13 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 00:34.13 | stoned | ;( |
| 00:34.17 | stoned | er.. not ; |
| 00:34.20 | jetscreamer | nexttime say flash8 maybe |
| 00:34.27 | FabParma | RainbowW ;;;; ok i know that is not windoes or red hat, i would like to crete the way to switch between text and X |
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| 00:34.35 | jetscreamer | ii 'might' have remembered |
| 00:34.38 | jetscreamer | maybe not though |
| 00:34.38 | stoned | I don't know for a fact if these are flash 8 or not |
| 00:34.48 | stoned | thats the problem |
| 00:34.55 | jetscreamer | i'd guess yes but hey go see in win |
| 00:35.05 | stoned | because joecartoon, google video, other sites. I've got flash+audio |
| 00:35.13 | stoned | yeah, thats my last option now |
| 00:35.32 | stoned | I tried booting up my wmware but that got knocked out after my last upgrade and I don't feel like messing with it |
| 00:35.33 | abrotman | yay .. i found ivman docs and didn't have to help him :) |
| 00:35.39 | RainbowW | FabParma: so don't install gdm. |
| 00:35.40 | jetscreamer | i have a client's box here with xpmedia whatever on it |
| 00:35.49 | jetscreamer | borkbork |
| 00:36.01 | FabParma | RainbowW ;;;; is it the only way? |
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| 00:36.13 | jetscreamer | i KNEW i didn't want the kingston mem |
| 00:36.24 | stoned | I dual boot with my desktop system, I can't get morrowind The Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion under cedega, keeps wanting the cd in there, when its in there |
| 00:36.36 | stoned | oh well |
| 00:36.38 | stoned | see ya |
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| 00:37.24 | jetscreamer | heh this guy's box can't run that and he has it |
| 00:37.37 | jetscreamer | 9200 radeon |
| 00:38.01 | yassine | sid is the newer version/testing of sarge ? |
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| 00:38.09 | jetscreamer | no |
| 00:38.15 | jetscreamer | you want etch |
| 00:38.24 | jetscreamer | but remember it's also called testing |
| 00:38.45 | sparr | I have a defective hard drive, ide channel, ide controller card, or pci slot that causes my machine to hard lock at random during disk-heavy operations like large file copying. Is there any way to locate the problem without rearranging my hardware? |
| 00:38.47 | yassine | i just need to install gnomeBaker and there is a sarge and sid deb file |
| 00:38.49 | jetscreamer | sid is also called unstable |
| 00:38.54 | yassine | and i wonder wich one i need to use |
| 00:39.00 | jetscreamer | what are you running |
| 00:39.03 | jetscreamer | sarge? |
| 00:39.32 | yassine | sarge (testing) |
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| 00:39.39 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 00:40.00 | abrotman | yassine: apt-get install gnomebaker |
| 00:40.00 | FabParma | i can't believe that Debian (the best Linux distro for me) has not the capability to start manually X server and turn off it when it is not needed |
| 00:40.00 | jetscreamer | you must have a very old version then, sarge hasn't been testing for a while |
| 00:40.03 | jetscreamer | it's stable |
| 00:40.17 | dondelelcaro | FabParma: uh... we do |
| 00:40.19 | jetscreamer | check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:40.23 | dondelelcaro | FabParma: it's called startx |
| 00:40.28 | jetscreamer | if it says testing it will become etch |
| 00:40.34 | yassine | abrotman, E: Couldn't find package gnomebaker |
| 00:40.39 | jetscreamer | if it says sarge it will remain stable |
| 00:40.45 | jetscreamer | apt-get update first |
| 00:40.47 | abrotman | yassine: apt-get update && apt-get install gnomebaker |
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| 00:40.56 | lanchow | Q: how to approximate something like 2^x to 10^y ? |
| 00:41.00 | RainbowW | FabParma: it does have that ability. you just don't know how to use it. |
| 00:41.04 | jetscreamer | abrotman: you're gonna make him go etch maybe |
| 00:41.11 | dondelelcaro | lanchow: log |
| 00:41.19 | yassine | abrotman, the same thing again |
| 00:41.25 | abrotman | jetscreamer: so look at his sources first .. gnomebaker was in sarge long before release |
| 00:41.31 | rxed | Is it possible to /var/log _incoming_ tcp and udp traffic? |
| 00:41.33 | yassine | abrotman, i think something miss in my source.list |
| 00:41.34 | abrotman | yassine: paste your sources somewhere ... |
| 00:41.35 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:41.36 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:41.38 | yassine | ok |
| 00:41.44 | FabParma | RainbowW ;;;; this is the reason because i come here to ask to people more expert than me |
| 00:42.19 | lanchow | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 00:42.24 | yassine | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/63471 |
| 00:42.41 | RainbowW | FabParma: I have told you. Don't install kdm or gdm. |
| 00:42.48 | abrotman | !info gnomebaker testing |
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| 00:42.56 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:42.59 | jetscreamer | testing |
| 00:43.15 | killown | how to use iso debian install without cdrom? |
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| 00:43.19 | jetscreamer | yassine: you need to decide if you want to run sarge or etch |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | killown: floppies |
| 00:43.29 | FabParma | RainbowW ;;;; i have alredy done, but if i invoke "startx" nothing happens |
| 00:43.29 | yassine | etch ?? |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: too late .. gnomebaker isn't currently available in etch |
| 00:43.36 | killown | abrotman i dont have floopy |
| 00:43.41 | jetscreamer | yassine: sarge is now stable release. etch is the new testing. |
| 00:43.45 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:43.46 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 00:43.52 | killown | i have iso debian install |
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| 00:44.01 | jetscreamer | yassine: you have a very old install cd or something |
| 00:44.06 | MrNaz | dpkg i've done that before! |
| 00:44.09 | killown | but dont have cd record |
| 00:44.20 | yassine | jetscreamer, i installed 5 days ago |
| 00:44.27 | trollboy | is there a device manager for debian for configuring my video card? |
| 00:44.31 | killown | i have cdrom boot slackware |
| 00:44.34 | jetscreamer | yassine: but the files on the cd are very old |
| 00:44.35 | trollboy | auto-detecting it, etc |
| 00:44.36 | yassine | and i updated everything from the mirrors |
| 00:44.47 | dondelelcaro | trollboy: that's done by the X configuration scripts. |
| 00:44.48 | jetscreamer | yassine: testing is etch, sarge is stable |
| 00:44.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell trollboy -about set up x |
| 00:44.54 | jetscreamer | you need to decide |
| 00:44.57 | yassine | mhh |
| 00:44.58 | killown | help -me |
| 00:45.04 | trollboy | dondelelcaro, I know it is, I was seeing if there is a gui |
| 00:45.07 | yassine | jetscreamer, how can i upgrade ? |
| 00:45.12 | dondelelcaro | trollboy: no. |
| 00:45.15 | yassine | dist-upgrade ? |
| 00:45.18 | jetscreamer | yassine: go with sarge now, change to testing later if you want |
| 00:45.37 | dondelelcaro | (well, there is if you use DEBCONF_FRONTEND=gnome or something) |
| 00:45.37 | yassine | i only need to be able to burn these stuff :s |
| 00:45.38 | jetscreamer | yassine: fix the sources.list. change whatever says testing to sarge |
| 00:45.52 | killown | mount iso can to run installer? |
| 00:46.03 | dondelelcaro | but that's just a gnome frontend to the same questions, which is kind of pointless to my eyes. |
| 00:46.19 | jetscreamer | killown: boot install floppies |
| 00:46.34 | killown | jetscreamer i dont have floopies |
| 00:46.41 | jetscreamer | usb stick maybe? |
| 00:46.47 | yassine | :a |
| 00:46.49 | killown | jetscreamer i have cdrom boot slackware |
| 00:46.58 | dondelelcaro | killown: then boot the slackware cd, install debootstrap, and debootstrap your install. |
| 00:47.06 | killown | but want to install debian install |
| 00:47.07 | FabParma | can someone explain to me how to create a system that start in "text mode" and has the capability to start Xserver when i need it? |
| 00:47.27 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 00:47.27 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 00:47.42 | dondelelcaro | FabParma: install the system. Do not install gdm,kdm,xdm, or wdm. Log in. Run startx. |
| 00:48.05 | killown | dondelelcaro do how make that? |
| 00:48.14 | jetscreamer | yassine: maybe something like deb ftp://ftp.debian.de/debian/ sarge main |
| 00:48.16 | dondelelcaro | killown: the install guide delinates all the possible methods of installing. You need to read it. |
| 00:48.41 | FabParma | dondelelcaro@ so, the base config only |
| 00:48.57 | dondelelcaro | killown: explaining how to do a debootstrap install is well beyond the level of stuff that I'm willing to go through here; you'll save a lot of my time and yours by simply finding a friend to burn the cd for you |
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| 00:49.34 | killown | i dont have cd record ¬¬ |
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| 00:50.02 | jetscreamer | killown: i saw a windows utility to install that damm what was it |
| 00:50.14 | dondelelcaro | killown: you can get it or friend may have it... |
| 00:50.24 | jetscreamer | you can have an iso and be in windows and use it to mount the iso and install linux |
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| 00:50.38 | dondelelcaro | loadlin may do it too |
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| 00:50.43 | killown | cool |
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| 00:51.04 | killown | loadlin no load in windows interface |
| 00:51.10 | jetscreamer | killown: http://instlux.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 00:51.24 | killown | jetscreamer thanks |
| 00:51.29 | jetscreamer | hth |
| 00:52.04 | FabParma | dondelelcaro; i install the base system, and aftert i invoke "startx" ? |
| 00:52.05 | jetscreamer | ooops |
| 00:52.12 | jetscreamer | it says ubuntu :( |
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| 00:52.30 | jetscreamer | and suse |
| 00:52.41 | jetscreamer | well better than nothing |
| 00:52.49 | yassine | now gnomebaker frozen :s |
| 00:52.52 | yassine | http://pastebin.ca/63474 |
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| 00:53.36 | dondelelcaro | FabParma: you install the base system, then you install x-window-system, then you run startx. |
| 00:53.42 | jetscreamer | yassine: you fixed your sources.list? you probably want to apt-get update &&apt-get dist-upgrade first |
| 00:53.50 | dondelelcaro | s/system/system-core/ |
| 00:53.57 | yassine | jetscreamer, yes |
| 00:54.07 | yassine | okay |
| 00:54.24 | jetscreamer | yassine: have you ever successfully apt-get upgraded ? |
| 00:54.32 | jetscreamer | with that old sources.list ? |
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| 00:55.09 | stoned | yeah |
| 00:55.16 | jetscreamer | so it was flash8 i take it |
| 00:55.16 | stoned | those files are in flash 8 |
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| 00:55.27 | stoned | jetscreamer, works on windows man, with flash 8 |
| 00:55.42 | yassine | jetscreamer, http://pastebin.ca/63475 |
| 00:55.47 | jetscreamer | yassine: if you have, you may be running etch already :) |
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| 00:56.22 | yassine | okay good to know :) |
| 00:56.28 | stoned | yassine == "heart of the Quran", its a chapter which say stuff about like, allah n stuff |
| 00:56.29 | jetscreamer | yassine: have you ever successfully apt-get upgraded with that old sources.list that said testing in it? |
| 00:56.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:57.00 | yassine | stoned, just stay stoned its better for all of us :) |
| 00:57.18 | yassine | jetscreamer, yes |
| 00:57.27 | stoned | well it was cool, I thought you might appreciate that little tidbit of knowledge |
| 00:57.29 | stoned | yeesh |
| 00:57.30 | jetscreamer | if you have just change those sarges to etch |
| 00:57.41 | jetscreamer | then apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:57.56 | yassine | :) yassine is my name |
| 00:57.58 | stoned | btw, its called Surah-e-Yassine |
| 00:58.06 | stoned | Yassine is a common arab male name |
| 00:58.13 | yassine | aight |
| 00:58.23 | stoned | wouldn't be surprised if other languages/nations have it |
| 00:58.26 | stoned | its a good name |
| 00:58.41 | h3xis | i'm having some problems building the nvidia kernel source on my system. are the instructions specified by dpkg on here meant for stable or what? |
| 00:58.46 | jetscreamer | koskesh isn't common i take it |
| 00:58.50 | stoned | !nvidia one liner |
| 00:58.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:58.53 | yassine | jetscreamer, nothing has been installed |
| 00:59.06 | h3xis | stoned, i know. that doesnt answer my question |
| 00:59.16 | jetscreamer | h3xis: the .run or the .deb |
| 00:59.22 | yassine | thanks stoned whats your real name btw ? |
| 00:59.29 | h3xis | jetscreamer, what do you mean? |
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| 00:59.42 | jetscreamer | yassine: so you have a current working etch system and gnomebaker doesn't work |
| 00:59.42 | stoned | yassine, you don't need to do :) |
| 00:59.47 | h3xis | jetscreamer, im just using the one-liner instructions |
| 00:59.53 | yassine | jetscreamer, yes :) |
| 00:59.56 | artax | is there any way to speed-up the time it takes for my server to accept ssh connetions? it just hangs for a minute before it asks for a passworD? |
| 00:59.59 | stoned | h3xis, what problem are you having? |
| 01:00.04 | jetscreamer | h3xis: ok i know nothing about the .deb |
| 01:00.06 | artax | im on a 13MB/s and the server is on a OC3 |
| 01:00.11 | abrotman | artax: might be an RDNS issue |
| 01:00.17 | stoned | h3xis, please be more specific than 'having problems' |
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| 01:01.07 | stoned | yassine, s/do/know |
| 01:01.10 | bluefox83 | what package would cause something called udev to look for my root partition in (3,1) ? |
| 01:01.12 | jetscreamer | h3xis: this may or may not help http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7/ |
| 01:01.14 | artax | abrotman: what should i look for? any doc pages? |
| 01:01.16 | h3xis | stoned, whenever i run m-a a-i nvidia it will being to build the kernel source for nvidia but then it will just say there's an error. my question is, are the instructions provided by dpkg in this channel meant for stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 01:01.19 | jetscreamer | there's something about nvidia on there |
| 01:01.34 | stoned | h3xis, all 3, afaik |
| 01:01.39 | abrotman | artax: just try to resolve your IP from the server |
| 01:01.42 | bluefox83 | and what is vfs? |
| 01:01.48 | yassine | stoned, no not really have no clue |
| 01:01.52 | stoned | h3xis, what error does it give you |
| 01:01.57 | h3xis | stoned, let me check |
| 01:02.09 | stoned | h3xis, the only thing I can think of is the compiler version maybe wrong |
| 01:02.11 | jetscreamer | yassine: the version in sid might be wildly different that the gnome in etch i'm not sure. you could 'try' and install the sid version, or just use a different burning program |
| 01:02.21 | jetscreamer | what about the nautilus front end for burning |
| 01:02.28 | stoned | h3xis, not wrong, different |
| 01:02.29 | abrotman | jetscreamer: if you wait a moment .. i'll try i |
| 01:02.29 | abrotman | it |
| 01:02.35 | abrotman | or rather .. look at it |
| 01:02.43 | stoned | h3xis, try using the gcc version the kernel was compiled with, and set CC to that |
| 01:02.47 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 01:03.12 | jetscreamer | bluefox83: you have my bug i know it well |
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| 01:03.19 | stoned | h3xis, I can't think of anything else off the top of my head, usually there are not many problem building the nvidia kernel module apart from that |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | jetscreamer: worked fine for me .. he should have no problems |
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| 01:03.27 | jetscreamer | bluefox83: everybody will call you crazy also when you try to explain |
| 01:03.28 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 01:03.45 | h3xis | stoned, let me paste the error bit in pastebin |
| 01:03.51 | stoned | h3xis ok |
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| 01:04.19 | jetscreamer | yassine: abrotman says the sid version of gnomebaker will be just fine |
| 01:04.34 | stoned | abrotman, hi |
| 01:04.37 | h3xis | stoned, http://pastebin.com/771161 |
| 01:04.47 | yassine | mhh so i can change the sarge to sid in the source.list ? |
| 01:04.48 | abrotman | stoned: hola |
| 01:04.48 | jetscreamer | bluefox83: how many ide/sata controllers |
| 01:04.54 | abrotman | yassine: you don't |
| 01:04.57 | stoned | abrotman, are you home now? |
| 01:04.58 | jetscreamer | yassine: no unless you want to run sid |
| 01:05.06 | abrotman | stoned: aye |
| 01:05.12 | stoned | abrotman, ahh, how was work/ |
| 01:05.12 | jetscreamer | yassine: just go to pdo and d/l the required files is best way |
| 01:05.22 | abrotman | stoned: long .. i had to wait all day to go pick up my car |
| 01:05.22 | jetscreamer | you 'could' do the fancy change sources |
| 01:05.23 | yassine | jetscreamer, i only want that any burning toold works here :) |
| 01:05.28 | stoned | ooh, that sucks |
| 01:05.33 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 01:05.34 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 01:05.36 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he can just download the package and in stall it |
| 01:05.44 | jetscreamer | yassine: ^^ |
| 01:05.55 | yassine | pdo ? |
| 01:05.55 | stoned | abrotman, do you still want to check out my tunes? |
| 01:05.59 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 01:06.04 | abrotman | stoned: at least i can now :) |
| 01:06.07 | bnoji | ugh. im having issues with an adaptec sata raid card. |
| 01:06.11 | kspath | What is xyz? I do not want to use search engines to find out for myself. |
| 01:06.11 | stoned | abrotman, sweet |
| 01:06.12 | jetscreamer | !tell yassine -about pdo |
| 01:06.18 | stoned | abrotman, may I message you? |
| 01:06.19 | bnoji | Works in linux, cant get Windows to find the drivers on the floppy. |
| 01:06.22 | abrotman | stoned: if they suck .. you're going on /ignore |
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| 01:06.25 | abrotman | stoned: yes |
| 01:06.26 | stoned | haha |
| 01:06.28 | stoned | thanks |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | jetscreamer: might be easier to give him a straight url :) |
| 01:07.09 | charzero | Should init give a time limit for an init script to finish on shutdown? |
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| 01:07.39 | stoned | haha, its the first time I've used mirc in a long time, and abrotman is #6 down from top in a nicklist, haha, I haven't even seen a nicklist in ages |
| 01:07.57 | abrotman | i am ? |
| 01:08.04 | bluefox83 | jetscreamer: so did you resolve your issue that is the same as mine? |
| 01:08.11 | stoned | yup, your nick starts with ab |
| 01:08.17 | stoned | top of the list, sorted |
| 01:08.19 | kspath | abrotman: You are? |
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| 01:08.22 | stoned | well, the way mirc sorts it |
| 01:08.25 | abrotman | kspath: apparently |
| 01:08.31 | abrotman | stoned: use win32 xchat .. |
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| 01:08.44 | dondelelcaro | just ssh into a real machine and use irssi... |
| 01:08.46 | kspath | abrotman: Apparently what? I have many morons on ignore except for myself. |
| 01:08.48 | stoned | abrotman, nah, I love mirc. Khaled Mardem Bey, man, amazing guy |
| 01:08.53 | abrotman | kspath: hehe |
| 01:08.59 | abrotman | stoned: win32 xchat! |
| 01:09.06 | stoned | abrotman, kspath has me on ignore |
| 01:09.11 | bluefox83 | stoned: he had his ideas all wrong, xchat is the way to go |
| 01:09.12 | abrotman | stoned: i'm shocked :) |
| 01:09.14 | stoned | so he has no frame of reference there |
| 01:09.25 | stoned | but yes, you're still #6 from top |
| 01:09.27 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:09.29 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:09.54 | bluefox83 | ok, whats the deal with udev looking for my root partition at (3,1)? |
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| 01:10.10 | bluefox83 | why's it doing it and how do i stop it |
| 01:10.19 | jetscreamer | bluefox83: how many ide/sata controllers |
| 01:10.48 | jetscreamer | one way is to have the installer install a -386 kernel |
| 01:10.59 | jetscreamer | the -k7's and -686's will give you that |
| 01:11.09 | bluefox83 | jetscreamer: i use a amd proc >.> |
| 01:11.18 | jetscreamer | so do i |
| 01:11.31 | jetscreamer | 2.6.16.1.1 |
| 01:11.37 | bluefox83 | i didn't have this proc when i first installed my 2.6.16-1-k7 kernel >.> |
| 01:11.46 | bluefox83 | er, prob |
| 01:12.00 | bluefox83 | same proc, but no prob before >.> |
| 01:12.18 | bluefox83 | something else is making it look for it |
| 01:12.20 | jetscreamer | it has to do with the way/order the modules are loaded from the initrd, which has to do with the way the initrd is rolled |
| 01:12.30 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 01:12.42 | bluefox83 | then how come it didn't do that when i first ran that kernel? |
| 01:12.44 | kspath | bluefox83: Your right eye is swollen? |
| 01:12.55 | bluefox83 | kspath: no..smartass |
| 01:12.59 | jetscreamer | and udev winds up thinking that hda is hde and vice versa |
| 01:13.13 | kspath | bluefox83: It looked more like an eye to me but if you say so. |
| 01:13.53 | bluefox83 | is udev something i can do without? |
| 01:14.12 | jetscreamer | one way i fixed it, which suprised me, was to boot a grub-floppy then run grub-install from a grub shell after i booted debian |
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| 01:14.21 | yassine | now gnomebaker refuse to do it :s : http://pastebin.com/771166 |
| 01:14.36 | jetscreamer | bluefox83: you need to install yaird, the default mkinitrd tool requires udev |
| 01:14.46 | jetscreamer | but yeah i rip it out np |
| 01:15.03 | bluefox83 | will ripping udev out fix the problem? |
| 01:15.18 | jetscreamer | and when installing, have it install a -386 kernel. then upgrade after |
| 01:15.29 | DerJamster | bluefox83: You can get rid of it easily if you're also not using an initrd. I got rid of discover, hotplug, udev, initrds..mostly because I have a hardware config that pretty much never changes aside of an usb stick plugging in. |
| 01:15.41 | DerJamster | however..that pretty much also works best with a custom kernel. |
| 01:16.13 | jetscreamer | the key is to get a kernel to boot. if you use a grub-floppy, you can boot the box. just tell it where root really is |
| 01:16.35 | jetscreamer | root (hd0,0) or so |
| 01:16.49 | jetscreamer | tab is your friend, see also help. if youhave a grub floppy |
| 01:16.51 | charzero | Anybody have a good init script for jboss >= 4 ? |
| 01:16.53 | bluefox83 | i'm in the box now..i'm just in a different kernel |
| 01:17.01 | jetscreamer | ah good |
| 01:17.12 | jetscreamer | much easier |
| 01:17.16 | bluefox83 | what is sysfs? |
| 01:17.37 | DerJamster | That, you need. It's a 'newer' /proc. |
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| 01:18.23 | omi | I've installed ETCH via floppies . Why does it not have shadow enabled? |
| 01:18.54 | FabParma | dondelelcaro ; i followed you instructions, i used "startx" and a grey window has open. what can i do with that enviroment? there is not a file manager |
| 01:19.01 | bluefox83 | ok, here's the deal...i am running 2.6.12-1-k7 just fine, right now..when i boot into 2.6.16-1-k7 it has a kernel panic because it thinks root is in a different place..how the heck do i fix it? |
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| 01:19.32 | DerJamster | bluefox83: boot into a live CD, chroot into the drive(s), check the grub settings. |
| 01:19.37 | DerJamster | if necessary, run update-grub. |
| 01:19.48 | bluefox83 | DerJamster: i don't use grub, i use lilo |
| 01:19.52 | stoned | FabParma, you have to install a window manager or a desktop environment |
| 01:19.52 | dondelelcaro | FabParma: if you want a filemanager or gnome or something else, stick them into your .xsession so that they get starte |
| 01:20.00 | DerJamster | bluefox83: Well, same thing. |
| 01:20.05 | DerJamster | chroot in, check the config |
| 01:20.19 | DerJamster | run lilo to load the updated config. reboot |
| 01:20.19 | bluefox83 | DerJamster: i have already done that..that's how i was booting into it in the first place |
| 01:20.31 | DerJamster | Then it seems something is still wrong with the config. |
| 01:20.42 | bluefox83 | the config is fine |
| 01:20.47 | bluefox83 | otherwise i wouldn't be on it NOW |
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| 01:21.06 | DerJamster | Ahh...ah, I see. |
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| 01:21.10 | bluefox83 | if the config was wrong NO kernel would work |
| 01:21.12 | DerJamster | Sorry, missed the different kernel number |
| 01:21.15 | DerJamster | HOkay. |
| 01:21.18 | DaBlade | How long do you guys think it would usually take on a 1.9GHz CPU to compress 800 megs of video into a tar.bz2? |
| 01:21.27 | stoned | abrotman, oh man, none of my messages got to you did they? |
| 01:21.28 | DerJamster | Looks like the newer kernel might not be loading a module that's necessary to access your drive. |
| 01:21.29 | DaBlade | Cause this thing's been at it for like ten minutes now. |
| 01:21.41 | DerJamster | either the IDE module or (which would be silly) the FS module(s) |
| 01:21.47 | stoned | abrotman, this client didn't do auto identify to nickserv and I forgot too |
| 01:21.58 | FabParma | dondelelcaro ; where can i find the ".xsession" ? |
| 01:22.06 | xaa | Say NO to women's rights. |
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| 01:22.22 | dvs | ooooooooooooooo kay |
| 01:22.26 | dondelelcaro | FabParma: you create it yourself. For an example, see http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/x_base/.xsession |
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| 01:22.30 | Vasistha | DaBlade: well... what kind of video are you compressing? Because video often already has very good compression, you might not get that much reward, and it will cost you lots of processing |
| 01:22.31 | stoned | where the hell did that come from |
| 01:22.44 | DaBlade | Vasistha: High quality Theora. |
| 01:22.49 | dvs | stoned: he drives very slow in the ultra fast lane |
| 01:22.49 | stoned | abrotman, ok going to attempt a msg again |
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| 01:22.59 | evilgeek | DaBlade: why are you bzip2'ing it? |
| 01:23.03 | DaBlade | Vasistha: (I just wanna shave off 100 megs so I can stuff it on a CD) |
| 01:23.26 | evilgeek | DaBlade: bzip2 will get nearly no compression if your video is compressed reasonably. |
| 01:23.28 | DaBlade | What would you have done? |
| 01:23.37 | evilgeek | DaBlade: sacrifice quality. |
| 01:23.39 | Vasistha | DaBlade: alright, dude :-) yeah, it'll probably take a while... and I'm actually pretty skeptical that you will even be able to shave 30 megs |
| 01:23.44 | evilgeek | lossy compression is your friend. |
| 01:23.54 | DaBlade | Vasistha: Damnit. |
| 01:24.02 | bluefox83 | what was it you guys said was the new /proc thing? |
| 01:24.03 | stoned | I don't even notice the difference between lossless and lossy |
| 01:24.12 | evilgeek | i doubt you'll shave more than a few kilobytes, actually. |
| 01:24.20 | Vasistha | DaBlade: if I were you I would definitely do a test run first -- on 20 megs or 50 megs -- rather than attacking the 800 megs at first |
| 01:24.23 | stoned | if they are above 128 i can't tell |
| 01:24.26 | stoned | it sounds the same tome |
| 01:24.29 | stoned | to me* |
| 01:24.46 | DaBlade | Vasistha: Thing is, it's already running. |
| 01:24.52 | DaBlade | Vasistha: For quite a while. |
| 01:25.01 | stoned | DaBlade, you better catch it then |
| 01:25.08 | evilgeek | DaBlade: cancel it, because it's not going to do anything. |
| 01:25.12 | Vasistha | DaBlade: start another process to do a time test on 5 megs |
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| 01:25.46 | DaBlade | Bah, I'll cancel it and sacrifice a DVDr instead. |
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| 01:25.47 | FabParma | is there a command to swith between gdm to kdm xdm ecc? |
| 01:25.49 | Vasistha | DaBlade: if 5 megs takes 5 minutes (noting that it'll be processing two at once) you're looking at a few hours for that 800 megs |
| 01:26.16 | Vasistha | DaBlade: and if 5 megs only shaves 10 kb then you're not going to gain anything |
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| 01:26.20 | jelly | unix shells also have this nifty "suspend" feature to temporarily stop a process ;-) |
| 01:26.31 | DaBlade | Vasistha: K. |
| 01:26.44 | Vasistha | DaBlade: yeah, that's right -- hit ctrl-z and you can resume with "fg 1" or "bg 1" |
| 01:27.07 | DaBlade | Vasistha: I ran it with Ark. (KDE's archiver) :P |
| 01:27.09 | stoned | or just fg |
| 01:27.14 | DaBlade | Just killed it. |
| 01:27.18 | stoned | well depending on how many |
| 01:27.34 | jelly | ... pkill -STOP whatever-process-name |
| 01:27.54 | DaBlade | jelly: Seems redundant when killall does the trick. |
| 01:27.54 | jelly | and pkill -CONT after that. |
| 01:28.03 | Vasistha | DaBlade: other thing is, 10 or 15 minutes or whatever isn't -that- much time to replicate in the unlikely scenario that you find that it's going to be a worthwhile process |
| 01:28.26 | Vasistha | I usually use ctrl+alt+esc to kill things in kde with the skull & crossbones B) |
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| 01:28.32 | jelly | DaBlade: I dislike killall since it does a different thing on SYSV systems (eg. Solaris) |
| 01:29.28 | DaBlade | Vasistha: Yeah, me too, but I had a console up so I just did it that way instead. |
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| 01:38.40 | redblades | Hi, I need some help urgently |
| 01:39.10 | redblades | I just upgraded the system last night, and now, it can't load X |
| 01:39.57 | sid | redblades: What version of Debian GNU / Linux? |
| 01:40.01 | redblades | It gave me an error saying some files (sorry I couldn't copy it down) |
| 01:40.22 | Bertram | did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 01:40.25 | redblades | Uhh, 3.1 etch ( I think) |
| 01:40.32 | redblades | No, I will though |
| 01:40.39 | redblades | hpow do I check the version? |
| 01:40.39 | sid | etch isn't out yet. it doesn't have a version number redblades |
| 01:40.44 | sid | !tell redblades about etch |
| 01:40.50 | sid | redblades: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:41.19 | redblades | Testing/Unstable |
| 01:41.25 | redblades | Etch/Sid |
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| 01:44.03 | redblades | Okay, Be Right Back |
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| 01:45.45 | Bertram | is it me or are there many people having drm problems lately ? |
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| 01:47.20 | redblades | Okay, still not working |
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| 01:47.35 | redblades | where is nv located normally? |
| 01:47.46 | Arafangion | Why can't I type unicode hex chars into urxvt? |
| 01:47.49 | Bertram | Isn't that a module ? |
| 01:48.03 | Arafangion | I hit shift+control then type '111', then release, but NOTHING happens! |
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| 01:49.48 | Polishkoop | Hey all, I'm pretty new to Linux but I am having trouble getting my GUI working for Debian etch. I've installed xserver-xorg and I configured it correctly *i think*. Can anyone give me some help? |
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| 01:50.33 | Bertram | Polishkoop: what gives the command lspci ? |
| 01:50.43 | Arafangion | So, how do I insert unicode characters? |
| 01:51.03 | Bertram | Arafangion: I don't know that, sorry |
| 01:51.08 | Polishkoop | what? |
| 01:51.26 | Bertram | In fact, I wanted to know what is your graphic card |
| 01:51.27 | redblades | Polishkoop |
| 01:51.33 | Arafangion | Bertram: It seems that nobody knows :( |
| 01:51.36 | redblades | I'm having the same kind of issue |
| 01:51.39 | sirius_ | Does anyone know any good guides for installing a microphone ? |
| 01:51.52 | redblades | 1) plug it in |
| 01:51.52 | dererk | Hi everyone |
| 01:51.56 | redblades | Hi |
| 01:51.58 | Polishkoop | Yah, I've had someone else try to help me but they couldn't figure it out. I am running an nVidia 6600gt though. |
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| 01:52.11 | Bertram | nvidia, too then |
| 01:52.13 | dererk | Did anyone port Anaconda successfully? |
| 01:52.17 | sparr | I have a defective hard drive, ide channel, ide controller card, or pci slot that causes my machine to hard lock at random during disk-heavy operations like large file copying. Is there any way to locate the problem without rearranging my hardware? |
| 01:52.18 | redblades | I've got a GeForce ... something |
| 01:52.29 | Polishkoop | That's pretty broad |
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| 01:52.43 | redblades | Polishkoop : I know |
| 01:52.44 | Polishkoop | I heard that nVidia people should try vesa drivers instead of nv |
| 01:52.46 | Bertram | Polishkoop: it's the nv module you have to use first. If it doesn't work, try vesa. |
| 01:52.54 | Polishkoop | ahahah reading my mind are ya? |
| 01:52.58 | Bertram | lol |
| 01:53.03 | Bertram | maybe ;) |
| 01:53.13 | Polishkoop | So you think I should reconfigure with vesa and try startx? |
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| 01:53.26 | Bertram | anyway vesa doesn't have any 3D acceleration |
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| 01:53.50 | Polishkoop | eh I just want to get some type of GUI going, after that I can try to find an nVidia driver to use |
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| 01:54.15 | Bertram | yep. Compile nvidia drivers after that, then |
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| 01:54.37 | Bertram | Polishkoop: Good luck |
| 01:55.07 | joe666 | hi, I've setup a chroot jail with rssh for a particular user, however, any file I do upload has the user as it's owner but the group is set to root, how can I fix this ? |
| 01:55.11 | Polishkoop | I'll be back if it doesn't work :-) |
| 01:55.19 | Bertram | Arafangion: Doesn't even know what is the equivalent of Alt+XXX under Linux. |
| 01:55.29 | Arafangion | Bertram: I'm using urxvt |
| 01:55.37 | Arafangion | Bertram: So, one can hit shift + control |
| 01:56.02 | Arafangion | Bertram: Alternatively, you can use a unicode character map program that copies the char to the clipboard, and you can paste it. |
| 01:57.12 | Polishkoop | clear |
| 01:57.13 | kspath | Anyone port CFEngine successfully? |
| 01:57.15 | Arafangion | Hmm, just noticed something. |
| 01:57.37 | Arafangion | Bertram: I think that urxvt IS handling unicode properly, but I just simply and absolutely can't see the response! |
| 01:57.44 | Arafangion | $ echo > test |
| 01:57.49 | Arafangion | $ wc test |
| 01:57.49 | Arafangion | 1 0 1 test |
| 01:58.43 | Arafangion | Man, this is frustrating. |
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| 02:03.31 | polishkopp | yeah.... installing the vesa drivers didn't help me whatsoever |
| 02:03.36 | polishkopp | the same thing happened |
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| 02:04.21 | polishkopp | can anyone give me the command to reconfigure my monitor settings... where I can change its resolution and refresh rate |
| 02:04.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell polishkopp -about drxx |
| 02:05.25 | polishkopp | ive done that, but I don't think i ever got to the point where it asked me about the resolution |
| 02:05.44 | polishkopp | !asj xmd5 |
| 02:05.51 | polishkopp | !ask xmd5 |
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| 02:07.03 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: it should ask you about the resolution of your monitor, and from that figure out the rest of it |
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| 02:07.34 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: if it asked you any questions, then the md5 is correct... |
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| 02:07.58 | polishkoop | alright, cuz i set up my system to work on my 19 inch monitor when in fact right now im running on my 13 inch or so |
| 02:08.06 | polishkoop | so i think that could be a reason why my GUI isn't working right |
| 02:08.56 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: can you see the GUI? |
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| 02:09.07 | polishkoop | all i see is a green screen with some short red vertical lines |
| 02:09.14 | polishkoop | im running debian etch and I have an nvidia 6600gt |
| 02:09.18 | dondelelcaro | oh... yeah, it's in a video mode that the monitor doesn't support. |
| 02:09.19 | polishkoop | i've tried both nv and vesa drivers |
| 02:09.36 | polishkoop | okay so should i try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again? |
| 02:10.19 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: yes; you should also make a backup of that configuration file so you can easily revert to the 19" one. |
| 02:10.30 | polishkoop | yeah i am a linux noob, i have no idea how to do that |
| 02:10.49 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: just cd /etc/X11; cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.19bak; as root. |
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| 02:13.05 | polishkoop | dondelelcaro: how would I be able to load that conf back up once I hook up my new monitor? |
| 02:14.23 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: cp xorg.conf.19bak xorg.conf -f |
| 02:15.04 | Arafangion | Oh, unicode is a joke. |
| 02:15.55 | polishkoop | dondelelcaro: thanks, i'm gonna try to fix the resolution settings now |
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| 02:16.47 | redblades | Can somebody please help me? |
| 02:16.55 | redblades | I can't get X running |
| 02:17.00 | danieltec | verrefo rastrakd debian mexican kbrones zpeldñp |
| 02:17.14 | redblades | ENGLISH |
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| 02:17.38 | cored | hi guys |
| 02:17.39 | redblades | I keep getting errors like "Can't find screen" |
| 02:17.42 | redblades | Hi |
| 02:17.48 | cored | is there a good tutorial about optimizing a debian installation ? |
| 02:18.31 | redblades | yep |
| 02:18.34 | redblades | tons of them |
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| 02:18.50 | redblades | Google will set you free |
| 02:18.50 | cored | redblades: i just ask my friend Google |
| 02:18.55 | cored | :-) |
| 02:19.00 | redblades | heh |
| 02:19.03 | cored | redblades: he do it most of the time |
| 02:19.07 | redblades | keep looking |
| 02:19.14 | redblades | they _are |
| 02:19.14 | cored | redblades: will have to |
| 02:19.18 | redblades | _ there |
| 02:19.41 | redblades | So, I can't start X, it seems to be missing drivers |
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| 02:19.53 | polishkoop | dondelelcaro: I ran xserver-xorg, but again I did not get any questions asking me about monitor resolutions |
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| 02:21.58 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: but it asked you about the vertical and horizontal refresh rates, right? |
| 02:22.06 | polishkoop | no |
| 02:22.21 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: did it ask you any questions? |
| 02:22.28 | redblades | Okay, fine, if no-one can help |
| 02:22.38 | polishkoop | dondelelcaro: yah it started with the nvidia drivers, then went through the keyboard and mouse set up |
| 02:22.42 | redblades | Does anyone know of a command line Im program? |
| 02:22.46 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: hrm... ok. |
| 02:22.49 | polishkoop | redblades: pork |
| 02:22.55 | redblades | cool |
| 02:22.55 | polishkoop | redblades: |
| 02:23.00 | polishkoop | redblades: I |
| 02:23.03 | polishkoop | redblades: I'm using it now |
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| 02:23.30 | polishkoop | dondelelcaro: should I manually go into the xorg.conf file and change it? I don't really know how to do that though... |
| 02:23.36 | sirius_ | redblades: what vid card you have |
| 02:23.50 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: you can do that if you want; do you know the horizontal and vertical resolution of your monitor? |
| 02:23.57 | dondelelcaro | s/resolution/refresh rates/ |
| 02:24.29 | polishkoop | no idea |
| 02:24.38 | redblades | NVIDIA GeForce |
| 02:24.50 | redblades | I can't see it in lspci |
| 02:25.00 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: I suggest searching google for your monitor |
| 02:25.04 | sirius_ | okay i know ati but not nividia srry lol spent last todays getting my ati drivers to work |
| 02:25.06 | polishkoop | dondelelcaro: I think the max resolution I can get on this monitor is 1024 |
| 02:25.17 | redblades | that;s okay |
| 02:25.18 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: yeah, but it'll be coupled with a set of refresh rates. |
| 02:25.24 | redblades | thanks for trying to help anyway |
| 02:25.27 | redblades | ; ) |
| 02:25.33 | redblades | : ) |
| 02:25.36 | redblades | the second face |
| 02:25.37 | sirius_ | :D |
| 02:25.40 | polishkoop | dondelelcaro: I think its 60HZ, that is a safe bet anyway this monitor isn't very good |
| 02:25.54 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: sure, just put that it. |
| 02:26.23 | redblades | also, anone know of a command line mp3 player? |
| 02:26.24 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: probably HorizSync 30-60 VertRefresh 40-60 is a good bet for starters. |
| 02:26.31 | dondelelcaro | redblades: mpg321, cplay, etc. |
| 02:26.42 | polishkoop | dondelelcaro: So I should manually go into the conf file with nano or vi and change it? |
| 02:26.51 | dondelelcaro | polishkoop: that'll work, yes. |
| 02:27.04 | polishkoop | dondelelcaro: Okay, I'll get back to you. |
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| 02:27.53 | dvs | polishkoop: what monitor do you have? |
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| 02:29.32 | polishkoop | dvs: this one is a crappy dell, model ... E551c |
| 02:29.38 | dvs | heh |
| 02:29.53 | redblades | dondelelcaro! Thankyou! |
| 02:30.08 | redblades | It even play when I switch screens! |
| 02:30.54 | dvs | polishkoop: horizontal: 30-54 vertical: 50-120 |
| 02:31.22 | redblades | Um... I read man pork, but I'm confused, how do I use MSN? |
| 02:32.05 | polishkoop | dvs: you sure about that? |
| 02:32.18 | dvs | polishkoop: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/56ttk/En/SPECS/specs.htm |
| 02:32.20 | dondelelcaro | redblades: if you want to use msn, you may be happier using bittlbee instead, which makes aim and msn work with irc |
| 02:32.40 | redblades | okay |
| 02:32.54 | polishkoop | dvs: I don't have an internet program on this yet. I'll take your word for it |
| 02:33.13 | polishkoop | dondelelcaro: I couldn't find a resolution paramater in xorg.conf |
| 02:33.16 | redblades | dondelelcaro : wrong name I thing |
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| 02:33.48 | redblades | I can't find a bittlbee |
| 02:33.49 | dondelelcaro | redblades: sorry, it's bitlbee |
| 02:33.53 | redblades | ah |
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| 02:34.21 | dragoon` | hey guys, is there any easy way to upgrade from sarge to etch without reinstalling ? |
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| 02:34.39 | redblades | what is the MSN port? |
| 02:34.45 | polishkoop | dragoon`: yes, gimme a second and I'll hook you up |
| 02:34.51 | polishkoop | dragoon`: I just had to do this |
| 02:34.59 | redblades | I would look it up, but I'm not using X, and lynx takes too long |
| 02:35.01 | musashiden | hey guys, whats the command to change which package the system uses if you have multiple packages that do the same thing? |
| 02:35.22 | musashiden | for example, java |
| 02:35.45 | musashiden | i installed 1.6, from 1.5, but it still says 1.5 in java -version |
| 02:36.03 | polishkoop | dragoon`: do you know how to get to sources.list? |
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| 02:37.17 | musashiden | anyone? |
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| 02:38.36 | redblades | musashiden : updatedb ??? |
| 02:38.58 | redblades | so, what is the MSN port? |
| 02:39.00 | dondelelcaro | musashiden: update-alternatives --config foobinaryname |
| 02:39.12 | musashiden | thank dondelelcaro! |
| 02:39.28 | dondelelcaro | musashiden: but I don't know if that's what you're getting at; type whereis java; to see what is going on. |
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| 02:40.57 | dragoon` | polishkoop: yeah |
| 02:43.12 | polishkoop | dragoon`: okay now what you need to do is erase everything in there |
| 02:43.21 | polishkoop | dragoon`: and add these 2 lines, lemme get my paper so I can find them |
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| 02:44.53 | polishkoop | dragoon`: and then add deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 02:45.09 | polishkoop | dragoon`: then below that add deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 02:45.25 | redblades | Oh dera |
| 02:45.34 | polishkoop | dragoon`: then apt-get update then apt-get install I believe that is all you have to do |
| 02:45.36 | redblades | how do I change the pot bitlbee listen to? |
| 02:45.41 | redblades | *****port |
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| 02:46.14 | dondelelcaro | redblades: by changing the inetd rule, or setting -p appropriately |
| 02:46.30 | redblades | bitlbee -p 1234 |
| 02:46.31 | redblades | ? |
| 02:46.35 | SquareGuy | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main is good for those w32codecs and libdvdcss |
| 02:46.50 | dragoon` | polishkoop: so what do i need to chcnage? |
| 02:46.51 | dragoon` | change* |
| 02:47.29 | dondelelcaro | redblades: yes, although, typically you run it out of inetd so that's how you adjust it. |
| 02:47.35 | dondelelcaro | redblades: normally you have it running on 6667. |
| 02:47.57 | redblades | that's IRC |
| 02:48.01 | redblades | I'm already using IRC |
| 02:48.11 | redblades | WHY WOULD I DO THAT? |
| 02:48.12 | dondelelcaro | redblades: do you have an IRC server running on your machine? |
| 02:48.28 | redblades | No, and I don't want one yet |
| 02:48.35 | redblades | not for about two weeks |
| 02:48.38 | dondelelcaro | redblades: if no, then you're not running irc |
| 02:48.55 | redblades | I wan't to talk on MSN! |
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| 02:49.19 | dondelelcaro | redblades: so install bitlbee, point your irc client at localhost:6667, and configure it. |
| 02:49.30 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty straightforward |
| 02:49.33 | redblades | but msn is not IRC... |
| 02:49.45 | kanzure | hey all, is a 1.7 megabyte dkpg status file size normal/good/nothing to worry about? |
| 02:49.46 | dragoon` | no shit |
| 02:49.50 | dondelelcaro | redblades: bitlbee is an IRC<->random chat network client. |
| 02:49.57 | redblades | I see |
| 02:50.02 | kanzure | woops, correction on my end: dpkg file size |
| 02:50.08 | dondelelcaro | redblades: it makes msn, jabber, aim, yahoo, etc. all behave like irc. |
| 02:50.09 | redblades | well, I can't change the port, how do I do that? |
| 02:50.25 | dondelelcaro | redblades: you can change the port, but you should just use 6667 unless you have a real reason not to. |
| 02:50.40 | SquareGuy | redblades, do you need to open the port for msn in your firewall? i didnt catch the whole thing. |
| 02:50.46 | redblades | It's not set to that |
| 02:51.01 | dondelelcaro | redblades: do you have a line in your /etc/inetd.conf for it? |
| 02:51.01 | redblades | I accidentally changed the number |
| 02:51.13 | redblades | I don't know |
| 02:51.19 | dondelelcaro | redblades: it should look like '6667 stream tcp nowait bitlbee /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/bitlbee' |
| 02:51.24 | redblades | how abotu we forget this whole thing |
| 02:51.29 | dondelelcaro | redblades: if you want to run it on a different port, change the first number. |
| 02:51.35 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; it's your deal, not mine. |
| 02:51.44 | redblades | I needed it to get some help for an issue |
| 02:52.03 | redblades | It would probably be easier if I just ask here |
| 02:52.09 | redblades | I'm stuck without X |
| 02:52.19 | redblades | I can't remember how to fix it |
| 02:52.26 | redblades | I've done it before though |
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| 02:53.29 | redblades | I installed the NVidia driver from the site, and I know it's been installed in the wrong folder, but I can't remember which |
| 02:53.30 | dondelelcaro | what exactly is the problem? |
| 02:53.39 | redblades | I have no X, when I try to startx |
| 02:53.44 | dondelelcaro | redblades: is there any reason why you just can't use the nv driver? |
| 02:54.16 | redblades | It says it can't find nvidia etc drivers, and "no screen found" |
| 02:54.45 | dondelelcaro | redblades: give us the output of lspci then, and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or /etc/X11/XF86Config) and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/xfree86.0.log. |
| 02:54.50 | dondelelcaro | redblades: use the paster bot to do so. |
| 02:54.50 | sid | If you encrypt a hdd, How do programs access data? |
| 02:55.00 | redblades | paster bot? |
| 02:55.03 | dondelelcaro | sid: you mount the harddrive through a loopback device. |
| 02:55.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell redblades -about patser |
| 02:55.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell redblades -about paster |
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| 02:55.31 | sid | dondelelcaro: So if you encrypt a hdd and mount it through a loopback device. if someone has physical access to the machine...can they do the same thing? |
| 02:55.55 | dondelelcaro | sid: you generally have some sort of key that only you know that has to be provided to actually mount the drive |
| 02:56.07 | dondelelcaro | sid: generally this is in the form of a key or seed for a hash function |
| 02:56.24 | sid | dondelelcaro: So if the machine is on. All the data can be accessed right? |
| 02:56.28 | dondelelcaro | sid: right |
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| 02:56.58 | dondelelcaro | sid: it basically provides protection for people accessing your data by stealing the drives |
| 02:57.15 | redblades | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.32 | dondelelcaro | redblades: there are command line paste clients, see sial.org for one. |
| 02:57.43 | stoned | there is a command line pastebin |
| 02:57.48 | stoned | I wonder |
| 02:57.49 | redblades | I'm not used to the command line (hence the obnoxious behaviour and slight histeria |
| 02:57.50 | stoned | !pastebin |
| 02:57.51 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 02:57.56 | stoned | oh well |
| 02:58.05 | dondelelcaro | http://sial.org/pbot/ FE |
| 02:58.06 | redblades | No, I can't copy it |
| 02:58.15 | redblades | Not the internet |
| 02:58.21 | redblades | no more lynx |
| 02:58.25 | stoned | redblades, maybe you can install gpm and copy and paste using it |
| 02:58.34 | stoned | redblades, apt-cache show gpm |
| 02:58.36 | sid | dondelelcaro: So all the system binaries that are needed to boot, those aren't encrypted right? |
| 02:58.38 | dondelelcaro | redblades: uh... do you have a set of floppies or something? |
| 02:58.48 | stoned | select text, and middle click |
| 02:58.54 | stoned | to paste |
| 02:58.57 | dondelelcaro | sid: you generally have a very small /boot that has an unecrypted kernel and grub on it... that's pretty much it. |
| 02:59.20 | redblades | stoned? I CAN"T USE THE MOUSE! |
| 02:59.42 | sid | dondelelcaro: So how can the "mount" command work, if the mount binary is encrypted? |
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| 02:59.51 | dondelelcaro | redblades: sure you can; that's the whole point of gpm. Regardless, you don't need to use it. Kick it to a drive. |
| 02:59.52 | kanzure | redblades, isn't there an auto X configuration script floating around? |
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| 03:00.02 | dondelelcaro | sid: via a initrd that runs busybox or similar. |
| 03:00.03 | dragoon` | xorgcfg ;) |
| 03:00.11 | kanzure | dragoon`: that's probably the one =) |
| 03:00.20 | dragoon` | yup |
| 03:00.44 | redblades | Fine, I'll put it on a ... floppy ( I left my USB at work) |
| 03:00.49 | dondelelcaro | redblades: or some other method of giving us the data we need... otherwise we can't help you at all. |
| 03:01.01 | kanzure | redblades, seriously, try xorgcfg ? |
| 03:01.31 | sid | dondelelcaro: So if I use loopback encryption, and my box is still on. Is there a device someone could hook up to my eide hdd, and access the data while the machine is still on? |
| 03:01.42 | redblades | xorgcfg? |
| 03:01.50 | redblades | command not found |
| 03:01.53 | sid | Or would they be able to get into my system (Debian GNU / Linux) and access it.(with the machine sitll on) |
| 03:01.54 | kanzure | redblades, yeah it sounds like an autoconfiguration script |
| 03:01.55 | dondelelcaro | sid: not to your eide drive, but they could rather easily stick in a usb keyboard and access it or osmething similar. |
| 03:01.56 | dragoon` | bloody debian crap |
| 03:02.02 | dragoon` | do that command as root... |
| 03:02.04 | kanzure | redblades, try apt-get install xorgcfg |
| 03:02.12 | dondelelcaro | !+find xorgcfg |
| 03:02.14 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:02.26 | sid | dondelelcaro: But how would they login? |
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| 03:02.34 | kanzure | dragoon`: know if a 1.7 mb dpkg 'status' file is fine? |
| 03:02.46 | dragoon` | no idea |
| 03:02.48 | kanzure | hm |
| 03:02.52 | dragoon` | i only use debian on my router |
| 03:02.55 | dondelelcaro | sid: well, if they can't login, they don't have access to it... I'm assuming that they are you. |
| 03:02.58 | sid | dondelelcaro: If I run my box remotely without X, and I use loop back encryption. And I run LAMP. And my machine is still on. They can get whatever they want easy? |
| 03:03.04 | dragoon` | and im thinking about gentooing it when i have the time |
| 03:03.05 | kanzure | dragoon`, yeah I got into a pickle tonight |
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| 03:03.19 | kanzure | dragoon`, tried to compile some CVS files and suddenly apt-get dies on me |
| 03:03.22 | sid | ( dondelelcaro ) this is a standard Debian sarge install, with lamp + loop back |
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| 03:03.26 | sid | And they do NOT have access. |
| 03:03.41 | kanzure | dragoon`, hm ... and what might you have to do with xorgcfg on a Debian router? haha |
| 03:03.42 | sid | Can they use some remote exploit or something possibly? |
| 03:03.52 | dondelelcaro | sid: if they can get root access to the box, they can get access to the data... but they won't be able to access the data by physically attacking the drives. |
| 03:04.35 | dondelelcaro | sid: if you're really concerned about a remote attacker getting access, the best thing to do is to run selinux, audit the box alot, and only have that data mounted when you're actually using it. |
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| 03:05.19 | sid | dondelelcaro: Couldn't they just boot into rescue mode? |
| 03:05.38 | sid | dondelelcaro: Or when I do the loop back encryption install/setup it will remove that by default? |
| 03:05.49 | tonsofpcs | where are the init scripts in sarge? (I want no x, and I want to add a route command) |
| 03:06.00 | sid | tonsofpcs: /etc/init.d |
| 03:06.13 | sid | tonsofpcs: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 03:06.19 | sid | Or kdm/xdm/slim etc whatever you use |
| 03:06.37 | dondelelcaro | sid: no, it won't matter where they boot, because they can't access the data on that drive without the key |
| 03:06.48 | dondelelcaro | sid: you will have to input the key manually, so the data will be "safe" |
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| 03:07.03 | kanzure | ! MMap |
| 03:07.03 | dpkg | well, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 03:07.08 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: if you want to add a route command, add it to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:07.11 | sid | dondelelcaro: So how does the system boot without the key? or are there multiple keys? |
| 03:07.25 | dondelelcaro | sid: it doesn't. |
| 03:07.34 | dondelelcaro | sid: if / is encrypted, you have to enter the key to boot. |
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| 03:07.50 | kanzure | ! comments in conf files |
| 03:08.00 | sid | dondelelcaro: So how does someone encrypt their drive remotely from a colo company? |
| 03:08.03 | dondelelcaro | sid: if you want it to work remotely, you have specific data partitions that are encrypted... the machine boots, you log in, and then you mount the drive manually. |
| 03:08.07 | abrotman | kanzure: usually a # |
| 03:08.08 | kanzure | hm .. is it safe to put a comment in apt.conf as "# comment here" ? |
| 03:08.13 | dondelelcaro | kanzure: yes. |
| 03:08.19 | kanzure | abrotman: yeah thanks, guess a parser will ultimately complain or not |
| 03:08.28 | abrotman | yep |
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| 03:08.33 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro: I can just type the route command in interfaces ? or do I need to tack it on to a particular interface (I don't want it to be)? |
| 03:08.44 | farmer | does anyone know how to use aRts ? |
| 03:08.49 | dondelelcaro | tonsofpcs: uh... it has to be on a specific interface by definition. |
| 03:09.07 | tonsofpcs | dondelelcaro: I want it to figure out the interface the way it does when I type it on the command line |
| 03:09.11 | sid | dondelelcaro: So in the case of a remote encrypted hdd, and someone has physical access without login information can they access the drive? |
| 03:09.22 | sid | the information on the encrypted drive, if the machine is on and the drive is mounted |
| 03:09.23 | hound | sid, I think it would be pretty hard to secure your data from a remote company hosting your box. your loopback device is always going configured right? |
| 03:09.25 | dondelelcaro | sid: nope, because they need the key to decrypt it |
| 03:09.32 | kanzure | abrotman, for future reference: it says "extra junk after ..." as the syntax error, so that's a no-no apparently =) |
| 03:09.44 | sid | dondelelcaro: But isn't that resident in memory? |
| 03:09.50 | tonsofpcs | do I write a script in /etc/init.d/[name] and then add it with update-rc.d ? |
| 03:09.53 | abrotman | kanzure: nice |
| 03:09.59 | dondelelcaro | sid: sorry, you modified your question after I had answered it. |
| 03:10.17 | redblades | I don't think you see the issue here |
| 03:10.34 | redblades | I can't pipe the output of lspci anywhere |
| 03:10.39 | dondelelcaro | sid: in order to access the data on the encrypted partition, you have to have the key. If that means that the key is in memory because its already mounted, or it needs to be input in order to mount it, that's what it means. |
| 03:10.44 | dondelelcaro | redblades: sure you can. lspci > foofile |
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| 03:11.06 | sirius | how do i get my mic working in debian through my Creative 7.1 sound card ? |
| 03:11.20 | tonsofpcs | alsa? |
| 03:11.38 | sirius | yes |
| 03:12.58 | tonsofpcs | so how do I add an arbitrary script to startup/init in sarge? |
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| 03:13.57 | hound | tonsofpcs, the update-rc.d command |
| 03:14.14 | dendrite | tonsofpcs: Read /etc/rcS.d/README |
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| 03:14.30 | redblades | how can I upload the file to pastebin? |
| 03:14.55 | tonsofpcs | thanks dendrite |
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| 03:16.13 | kanzure | any particular reason that apt-get wants to install gcc 4.1 (again) ? |
| 03:16.20 | Vasistha | redblades: probably easiest to just copy and paste |
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| 03:16.26 | dragoon` | because gcc 4.1 is awesome :D |
| 03:16.35 | Vasistha | kanzure: maybe it wants an upgrade? |
| 03:16.36 | polishkoop | dragoon`: did that work for you? |
| 03:16.37 | kanzure | Vasistha: redblades doesn't have copy/paste mechanism while in CLI as far as I know |
| 03:16.45 | kanzure | Vasistha: hm .. seems rather random of it =/ |
| 03:16.46 | dragoon` | polishkoop: i dont know what im meant to change |
| 03:16.47 | kanzure | dragoon`: haha |
| 03:16.48 | Vasistha | hrm |
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| 03:17.01 | polishkoop | dragoon`: did you get into sources.list? |
| 03:17.03 | dragoon` | i use gcc 4.1 on all my gentoo boxes :) |
| 03:17.05 | tonsofpcs | dendrite: how do I choose when it's run? just start it with S## ? |
| 03:17.09 | dragoon` | polishkoop: yes, i djust dont know what to change in it |
| 03:17.13 | polishkoop | dragoon`: get rid of EVERYTHING |
| 03:17.20 | dragoon` | um. no |
| 03:17.26 | polishkoop | dragoon`: really? That's what I had to do |
| 03:17.33 | dendrite | tonsofpcs: They run in ls order. |
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| 03:17.39 | tonsofpcs | thanks dendrite |
| 03:17.42 | dragoon` | and what did you replace it with. |
| 03:18.26 | polishkoop | dragoon`: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian etch main contrib non-free deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 03:19.02 | dendrite | tonsofpcs: More specifically, init scripts are called by the script at /etc/init.d/rcS ... |
| 03:19.51 | tonsofpcs | let me try this ;) |
| 03:19.54 | tonsofpcs | back in about 10 minutes |
| 03:20.30 | polishkoop | Can anyone tell me the command I can use to change the config file that has to do with the resolution and size of my monitor? |
| 03:21.13 | dvs | polishkoop: in X? |
| 03:22.30 | polishkoop | dvs: yah I believe so |
| 03:22.39 | dvs | !drxx polishkoop |
| 03:22.39 | dpkg | polishkoop: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:22.40 | polishkoop | dvs: xorg |
| 03:23.18 | polishkoop | dvs: yeah I have already ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it never asks me questions about my monitor. It goes right to the video card drivers |
| 03:23.27 | sirius | how can i get my mic working in alsa |
| 03:23.56 | dendrite | sirius: Is it up and unmuted in alsamixer? |
| 03:24.07 | sirius | dendrite: let me check |
| 03:25.00 | sirius | dendrite even when unmuted its got red dots at the top of it |
| 03:25.15 | sirius | nvm got it working |
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| 03:25.59 | polishkoop | !xmd5 |
| 03:25.59 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 03:28.04 | polishkoop | Can anyone tell me how I can get my debian etch system to recognize that my monitor should run at 800*600 resolution? |
| 03:28.12 | abrotman | intead of what? |
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| 03:28.37 | sirius | How do i change which sound card alas is using |
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| 03:28.50 | polishkoop | abrotman: you talking to me? |
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| 03:29.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:29.03 | qbit | anyone played with bluetooth phones and debian? |
| 03:29.13 | tonsofpcs | :) |
| 03:29.15 | tonsofpcs | worked :D |
| 03:29.17 | tonsofpcs | thanks guys |
| 03:29.18 | polishkoop | abrotman: I think right now it thinks it should be doing 1600*1200 |
| 03:29.28 | polishkoop | abrotman: The refresh rates are probably off as well |
| 03:29.37 | abrotman | !drxx polishkoop |
| 03:29.38 | dpkg | polishkoop: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:30.32 | sirius | How do i change which sound card alas is using |
| 03:30.46 | abrotman | probably run alsaconf ? |
| 03:30.49 | polishkoop | abrotman: yeah I tried that but it never asks me questions about my monitor. It seems to skip all that and go straight to video card driver questions |
| 03:31.05 | abrotman | try -plow |
| 03:31.18 | sirius | alsaconf is not a command |
| 03:31.29 | sirius | nvm |
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| 03:32.20 | Arafangion | Could someone please bable incoherently in some non-ascii form. |
| 03:32.26 | jhenn | anyone know how to find out what chipset/driver my pcmcia device is using/uses? |
| 03:32.36 | abrotman | Arafangion: like this? |
| 03:33.18 | Arafangion | abrotman: Heya abrotman! I want to test unicode |
| 03:33.28 | abrotman | Arafangion: like this? |
| 03:33.46 | Arafangion | I guess unicode irc isn't working. |
| 03:33.48 | abrotman | Arafangion: try going into #debian-zh |
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| 03:34.30 | redblades | Okay, I found the driver files |
| 03:34.51 | redblades | now, where is it that Linux check to load them? |
| 03:35.03 | redblades | I need to move them |
| 03:35.06 | redblades | but where? |
| 03:35.09 | Arafangion | abrotman: Very tiny channel, and really confusing /topic irc.debian.org moved to OFTC, please use irc.debian.org and reconnect, but I don't see any unicode text, so I guess I can't see them. |
| 03:35.21 | abrotman | Arafangion: what irc app ? |
| 03:35.28 | Arafangion | irssi, nothing fancy. |
| 03:35.45 | abrotman | afaik .. it supports UTF8 |
| 03:36.07 | tonsofpcs | yes, irssi supports utf-8 |
| 03:36.14 | sirius | abrotman: i ran alsaconf got the correct sound card working but now sounds not working |
| 03:36.26 | abrotman | ok ... so figure out why |
| 03:36.27 | Arafangion | Hmm, wierd, because I'm just not seeing the chars. |
| 03:36.39 | tonsofpcs | Arafangion: how's ¤¤¤ ? |
| 03:36.40 | sirius | abrotman im not sure i turned everything up in alsagui |
| 03:36.46 | abrotman | ؤؤ |
| 03:36.55 | abrotman | sirius: in alsamixer? |
| 03:37.02 | tonsofpcs | }][{ |
| 03:37.02 | sirius | abrotman yea |
| 03:37.11 | tonsofpcs | }])([{ |
| 03:37.30 | abrotman | sirius: so make sure |
| 03:38.04 | Arafangion | The man page makes no mention of unicode or utf. |
| 03:38.04 | Arafangion | I'm using the version that comes with Sarge. |
| 03:38.22 | sirius | abrotman: make sure what |
| 03:38.33 | abrotman | that the levels are up |
| 03:38.38 | sirius | they are |
| 03:38.48 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 03:38.48 | dpkg | hmm... alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 03:38.56 | Arafangion | tonsofpcs: Just white boxes. |
| 03:39.11 | abrotman | ؤؤ |
| 03:39.14 | Arafangion | tonsofpcs: I can't insert things into irssi either, though I can insert htem into other console programs. |
| 03:39.19 | Arafangion | abrotman: I can see that. |
| 03:40.05 | Arafangion | € <-- A euro, but I can't see it in irssi |
| 03:40.28 | Arafangion | Perhaps the version of irssi in Sarge doesn't support unicode? |
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| 03:40.42 | sirius | abrotman im not using esd anymore i had the other card and it worked just a sec and switch cards and now this card doesnt i want to use dmix |
| 03:41.04 | abrotman | sirius: you might have to restart your computer .. or unload the other modules |
| 03:41.08 | tonsofpcs | Arafangion: I'm pretty sure it does.... |
| 03:41.18 | abrotman | Arafangion: it's possible .. but not sure |
| 03:41.18 | tonsofpcs | I haven't tested it fully though |
| 03:41.20 | sirius | abrotman: how do i unload them ? |
| 03:41.26 | abrotman | modprobe -r |
| 03:41.50 | sirius | yea but how do i know which is running |
| 03:41.57 | sirius | or which ones to look for |
| 03:42.01 | dendrite | sirius: Also make sure the appropriate channels are up *and* un-muted. For instance, PCM and master to listen to internet radio... |
| 03:42.21 | abrotman | lsmod |
| 03:42.32 | abrotman | i'm voting for the crappy reboot method |
| 03:42.33 | dendrite | sirius: I'm not sure if it's still the case, but it used to be that you needed the audio cable that runs between the optical drive and the sound card in order to play CD's... |
| 03:42.42 | tonsofpcs | crappy reboot method? |
| 03:42.54 | abrotman | dendrite: i think some audio programs can read via data now |
| 03:42.55 | sirius | dendrite im not playing a cd |
| 03:43.20 | dendrite | abrotman: I'm not surprised. That's why I wasn't sure... |
| 03:43.42 | dendrite | sirius: So make sure both the IN and OUT are up and un-muted... |
| 03:43.57 | sirius | dendrite: everything looks great in alasmixer |
| 03:44.04 | dendrite | tonsofpcs: Rebooting other than for a kernel change or to update libc is icky. :-) |
| 03:44.14 | abrotman | i said it was crappy |
| 03:44.16 | dendrite | tonsofpcs: And folks will debate me on the libc reason... |
| 03:44.27 | abrotman | i'm with you on libc! |
| 03:44.36 | dendrite | abrotman: Yeah, and tonsofpcs was wondering about that. :-) |
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| 03:44.48 | abrotman | about why it's crappy ? |
| 03:44.54 | dendrite | abrotman: yeah. |
| 03:45.01 | abrotman | well .. it's not windows :) |
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| 03:45.09 | dendrite | abrotman: You read my mind. |
| 03:45.22 | Arafangion | abrotman: Could you say that unicode again? € I can write it in irssi nwo :) |
| 03:45.35 | abrotman | €€€€€ |
| 03:45.45 | abrotman | ؤؤ |
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| 03:45.55 | abrotman | i don't know that either is unicode |
| 03:46.04 | abrotman | ØØ |
| 03:46.12 | dendrite | Looks like poo in my irssi. I probably don't have that locale generated... |
| 03:46.13 | abrotman | Ô¾Ô¾ |
| 03:46.15 | Arafangion | abrotman: Wierd, I can type it, but once I send it to the server, and get the response, it comes back awful. |
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| 03:49.43 | Arafangion | *sigh* |
| 03:51.13 | sirius | Okay so i checked alsamixer everything is up but there is still no sound |
| 03:52.02 | dendrite | sirius: You say it was working before? |
| 03:52.27 | sirius | dendrite yea was working before i watched a movie |
| 03:52.40 | sirius | then somehow it was changed to my other soundcard when i stoped using esd |
| 03:52.48 | sirius | and now when i switch it back nothing |
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| 03:53.08 | n0ugat | sirius: are you using kde? |
| 03:53.12 | sirius | gnome |
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| 03:58.41 | sirius | no one knows ? |
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| 04:01.50 | coreyo | can someone give me the grub command sequence for installing grub to the MBR ? |
| 04:02.55 | dragoon` | grub-install /dev/hda |
| 04:03.22 | dendrite | coreyo: Note that you don't need to do this when you install a new kernel... |
| 04:03.25 | coreyo | dragoon`, that won't exactly work because I'm using a rescue disk |
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| 04:03.43 | coreyo | so I need the actual grub sequence |
| 04:03.50 | dragoon` | ah |
| 04:03.59 | dragoon` | hold on.. |
| 04:04.08 | AgentSmoulder | Hi, I was wondering if there is a client that can limit bandwidth on each computer its on? |
| 04:04.10 | coreyo | dendrite, no ... it didn't go in the MBR when I installed a new kernel |
| 04:04.20 | bnovc | does anyone know of an equivalent to ttysnoop that is still maintained/not super buggy in 2.6 |
| 04:04.22 | dragoon` | grub |
| 04:04.29 | dragoon` | root (hd0,0) |
| 04:04.30 | dendrite | coreyo: Ah. I see an --install-partition=PAR option... |
| 04:04.35 | dragoon` | setup (hd0) |
| 04:04.38 | dragoon` | quit |
| 04:04.54 | coreyo | is hd0,0 partition one, or the mbr? |
| 04:05.15 | coreyo | and root is my /boot partition containing grub, correct? |
| 04:05.26 | dragoon` | yea |
| 04:05.31 | coreyo | k, lemme try that |
| 04:05.32 | dragoon` | 2nd one |
| 04:05.53 | coreyo | dragoon`, wait ... sorry ... yes to which question? |
| 04:06.00 | freakazoid0223 | Hey gang, I just loaded sarge on to my desktop, my radeon 9800pro seems to be working great, but my SB audigy isnt (no drivers appear to have been loaded) what should I dowload and from where |
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| 04:06.15 | dragoon` | 3:34 < coreyo> and root is my /boot partition containing grub, correct? |
| 04:06.19 | Gnea | AgentSmoulder: tc (part of iproute) |
| 04:06.41 | coreyo | and (hd0,0) is the first primary partition, correct? |
| 04:06.49 | dragoon` | yup |
| 04:06.50 | coreyo | hd0 by itself is the mbr? |
| 04:06.58 | dragoon` | yup |
| 04:07.07 | dragoon` | thats why you setup on (hd0) |
| 04:07.12 | dragoon` | to install to the mbr |
| 04:07.36 | coreyo | yeah ... wasn't working unless I issued the root command |
| 04:07.39 | coreyo | seems to have take |
| 04:07.42 | coreyo | rebooting now |
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| 04:09.21 | sid | How do I ssh through a proxy? |
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| 04:10.15 | SquareGuy | freakazoid0223, i would install alsa |
| 04:10.23 | freakazoid0223 | ok thanks |
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| 04:10.38 | SquareGuy | sid not sure if this is what you want to do but here http://www.buzzsurf.com/surfatwork/ |
| 04:10.43 | sirius | Okay, I ran alsaconf and selected my Creative Audigy Card and Turned up everything in Alsamixergui, i should have dmix installed and i am not using esd -> i still have no sound |
| 04:10.54 | freakazoid0223 | is that in base? |
| 04:11.27 | SquareGuy | freakazoid0223, ummm should be in main yeah |
| 04:11.52 | tam | hi all, having a problem with ssh forwarding for mail (im new to it) where abouts am i going wrong with this command: ssh -L 8025:otherserver.com:25 |
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| 04:14.36 | sid | What is the proper "shred" command to get rid of data on a hdd effectively? |
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| 04:15.07 | dragoon` | dd! |
| 04:15.21 | dragoon` | dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda bs=512 should kill it |
| 04:15.25 | dendrite | sid: Only drive in machine? |
| 04:15.48 | dendrite | dragoon`: Not quite... That just stomps the partition table. |
| 04:15.52 | sid | dendrite: Well, I have two drive. I need to delete data on both. |
| 04:15.56 | sid | One drive can be completely deleted |
| 04:16.11 | dendrite | sid: Go get Derik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) |
| 04:16.19 | sid | dendrite: I am remotely connecting |
| 04:16.24 | dendrite | sid: It's a bootable diskette, and it does military grade. |
| 04:16.42 | dendrite | sid: Ah. |
| 04:16.53 | dendrite | sid: I guess I'd try to find the shred man page... |
| 04:17.10 | sid | right, do I just do shred /disk2 |
| 04:17.12 | sid | and that's it? |
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| 04:19.03 | Mr-5150 | how do i mount a share folder on a domain? |
| 04:19.09 | dendrite | sid: I'd call the disk by it's device name, e.g., shred /dev/hdb |
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| 04:19.10 | mst | harr |
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| 04:19.29 | sid | dendrite: If the disk has already been rm -rf'd will shred still do it's job? |
| 04:19.37 | Mr-5150 | mount -t smbfs? |
| 04:19.47 | Mr-5150 | i'm a bit stuck, |
| 04:19.47 | dendrite | sid: That will cause shred to treat the disk as a file. |
| 04:20.11 | dendrite | sid: In other words, it will tell shred to ignore any existing data. |
| 04:22.33 | dendrite | Mr-5150: I used to use smbmount when I had that sort of puzzle... |
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| 04:23.06 | Mr-5150 | ok, but how? |
| 04:23.20 | dendrite | Mr-5150: It should all be in the man page. |
| 04:23.22 | sid | What is the shred option to delete a directory recursively? |
| 04:23.30 | Mr-5150 | ok, i'll have a look |
| 04:24.41 | dendrite | sid: I don't see suck an option in my copy of the man page. I guess you could use find... |
| 04:25.09 | dendrite | sid: find /path/to/shred -type f -exec shred {} \; |
| 04:25.37 | Mr-5150 | This is great page for smbmount http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html |
| 04:25.50 | sid | rm -rf /backup/*; |
| 04:25.51 | Mr-5150 | if anybody else needs it |
| 04:25.53 | dendrite | sid: That would leave the directory structure intact, then you could just rm -rf. Unless the file names themselves are sensitive... |
| 04:25.59 | sid | Will that delete hidden directories in /backup/.blah? |
| 04:26.01 | sid | rm -rf that is |
| 04:26.26 | dendrite | sid: try and see. :-) |
| 04:26.37 | sid | I'm going to rm -rf /backup/*; then cat /dev/urandom > /backup/file; shred /backup/file; |
| 04:27.04 | dendrite | sid: That would be sub-optimal. |
| 04:27.39 | dendrite | sid: That would mean your random data would probably go to a different set of inodes than those originally occupied by the files... |
| 04:27.55 | dendrite | sid: Better just to shred, maybe use the --remove option. |
| 04:27.56 | sid | no, rm -rf doesn't delete hidden files |
| 04:28.31 | dendrite | sid: I'm surprised, actually. |
| 04:28.39 | sid | rm -rf /var/log/.??* |
| 04:28.42 | sid | that works |
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| 04:28.44 | sid | If you put /.?? |
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| 04:28.59 | dendrite | sid: That may not work for dot files in subdirectories... |
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| 04:29.10 | chron | how are you guys updating repository |
| 04:29.15 | chron | the packages are old like this? |
| 04:29.25 | Gnea | chron: huh? |
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| 04:29.46 | Gnea | apt-get update |
| 04:30.07 | chron | is it sarge that's like that? |
| 04:30.08 | chron | all old |
| 04:30.13 | chron | that's how i'm updating |
| 04:30.21 | Gnea | check out backports |
| 04:30.23 | Gnea | !backports |
| 04:30.24 | dpkg | somebody said backports was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 04:30.43 | Gnea | chron: yes, they're a bit old, but they're stable |
| 04:30.45 | chron | thats for newer packages? |
| 04:30.51 | Gnea | yeah |
| 04:31.01 | Gnea | you can keep sarge as your base and use newer packages that way |
| 04:31.09 | Gnea | just follow the instructions link on the page |
| 04:31.50 | chron | thanks |
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| 04:37.14 | sirius_ | Is there a way to have what your Mic captures NOT play through your speakers also ? |
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| 04:37.23 | dondelelcaro | sirius_: depends on the sound card |
| 04:37.35 | sirius_ | Creative 7.1 Audigy |
| 04:38.54 | dondelelcaro | sirius_: yeah, there's a special utility to set that up. I forget what the name of it is right this second though. |
| 04:39.09 | sirius_ | :-/ well if you find out please pass it this way :D |
| 04:39.18 | dragoon` | alsaconf ? |
| 04:39.28 | sirius_ | no that selects sound cards |
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| 04:41.47 | netherworld | Hi! Just a question... If I want a given program to start every day at 1am and finish at 7am, how should the crontab file be like? |
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| 04:42.17 | dondelelcaro | sirius_: you may be able to disable it using alsamixer, but there's a program that actually sets up the dsp and allows you to disable that. |
| 04:42.27 | dondelelcaro | netherworld: crontab starts programs, it doesn't tell them when to stop. |
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| 04:42.44 | sirius_ | hmm |
| 04:42.44 | Agrajag- | sirius_: mute the mic |
| 04:42.50 | sirius_ | but i want to use the mic |
| 04:42.56 | Agrajag- | yeah you still use it |
| 04:42.59 | dondelelcaro | netherworld: you *may* be able to do something like 0 1 * * * fooprogram; 0 7 * * * killall fooprogram |
| 04:42.59 | Agrajag- | set it to capture and mute it |
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| 04:43.27 | netherworld | Thanks! |
| 04:44.00 | sirius_ | agrajag: wont let me mute lol |
| 04:44.19 | Agrajag- | sirius_: pressing M in alsamixer doesn't mute it? |
| 04:44.20 | sirius_ | just lets me turn up the vol on it |
| 04:44.59 | sirius_ | nope wont let me |
| 04:45.03 | sirius_ | o well its not that bad for now |
| 04:45.10 | sirius_ | i really cant even hear my self |
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| 05:00.34 | sirius_ | Does anyone know if there is a download version of unreal t. 2004 for linux i bought the windows one along time ago and its the dvd version so no support on it for linux |
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| 05:02.17 | _rockstar | Hey guys, how's things? |
| 05:02.18 | sid | sirius_: Contact the maker of the gam.e |
| 05:02.38 | tnks | I wanted to bounce idea off this forum: I was thinking about making a script for apt (like apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges) that records a simple database of "reasons installed" for packages I install so I can more easily keep track of dependencies... also, I forget why things are installed sometimes. |
| 05:03.42 | _rockstar | tnks, aptitude takes care of some of that for you--maybe not keep track of personal notes, but dependencies that were installed for programs you installed. |
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| 05:04.11 | _rockstar | I'm going to defcon this year, w00t! |
| 05:04.13 | tnks | _rockstar: I really like what aptitude does. I just thought having personal notes might be nice. |
| 05:04.56 | tnks | I looked into pkgsync (sp?), which sounded like it might be close to what I wanted, but it wasn't really. |
| 05:04.58 | tnks | \ |
| 05:05.31 | Vasistha | tnks: I think some plugin mods to aptitude might be most appropriate |
| 05:06.47 | tnks | Vasistha: cool. That was the direction I was thinking about. Are there some resources that emphasize how to make these plugins? |
| 05:07.11 | Vasistha | tnks: I have no idea, and I'm kind of skeptical that aptitude was designed with plugins in mind |
| 05:07.12 | _rockstar | Anyone got any advice on hardening my laptop before I go to defcon this year? |
| 05:07.20 | _rockstar | I've got most of the basics covered. |
| 05:07.39 | Vasistha | _rockstar: hardening, how? security-wise, or to prevent it from getting physically beat up? :D |
| 05:08.12 | tnks | Vasistha: oh... I was thinking that apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs are kind "plugins"... I guess they're more like scripts that are hooked in. |
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| 05:08.51 | _rockstar | Vasistha, it's Defcon! Security-wise. I've got encrypted vtun to my home network for email, etc, Pretty decent firewall (not really anything open...) and I sure as heck ain't running kismet while I'm there. Anything major I may have missed. |
| 05:08.51 | Vasistha | tnks: hmm, I really have no idea. I've never looked into any of it, I just use apt-get and synaptic |
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| 05:09.26 | Vasistha | _rockstar: well... you think many malicious people go to defcon? |
| 05:09.34 | e2ven | I'm looking for a backport of GCJ 4.x to Sarge.. Backports.org doesn't have it.. Any ideas welcome. Doing a it via a source upgrade isn't easy, due to the dependancies. |
| 05:10.01 | _rockstar | Vasistha, not neccessarily malicious, but I bet they like to tinker... I sure do, when people leave the obvious stuff open. |
| 05:11.14 | Vasistha | _rockstar: hum. that's an interesting point. and it could be embarassing... |
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| 05:13.11 | redblades | Hello, I got X working, it took a while though, I had to mess around with some drivers |
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| 05:13.22 | Vasistha | redblades: congrats! |
| 05:13.27 | redblades | anyway, I just installed 3ddesktop |
| 05:13.35 | redblades | and I got an error |
| 05:13.37 | redblades | Thanks |
| 05:13.50 | redblades | wait, sarcastic? |
| 05:14.13 | redblades | Varsistha ? sarcastic? |
| 05:14.16 | Vasistha | redblades: not at all, it's great that you got it working |
| 05:14.29 | Vasistha | redblades: and I don't get a highlight when you misspell my nick :-) heheh |
| 05:14.36 | Maquiavelo | Hey guys, I'm getting a lot of smmsp@mydomain.tld bounced messages in mail.log, what is that? |
| 05:14.38 | redblades | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 05:14.49 | redblades | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 05:15.02 | redblades | OH I see, I was wondering why tab did nothing |
| 05:15.07 | Vasistha | redblades: it's not necessarily a trivial matter at all. I've had my fair share of X difficulties |
| 05:15.16 | evilgeek | i vaguely remember trying to get X to work in 1997. |
| 05:15.27 | evilgeek | i got it to work by 1999, i think. |
| 05:15.29 | redblades | I was installing the 3D nvidia driver |
| 05:15.33 | redblades | he he he |
| 05:15.37 | redblades | so Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 05:15.43 | redblades | Any ideas? |
| 05:16.34 | streuner | evilgeek: it was a mess to setup in '93, but after reading some docs it finally work :-) |
| 05:17.15 | evilgeek | streuner: i, in 1997, was probably using a crappier machine than you in 1993. |
| 05:17.30 | _rockstar | Anyone know how to use the unrar-free package? The manfile and all output are INCREDIBLY cryptic, and I have never really worked with rar files. |
| 05:17.31 | evilgeek | actually, i take that back. |
| 05:17.47 | streuner | evilgeek: true, fortunaly i had a well supported videocard. |
| 05:18.01 | evilgeek | _rockstar: the evilgeek method of using unrar-free is to uninstall it and install the nonfree unrar instead. |
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| 05:19.06 | _rockstar | evilgeek, Yeah, that's what I started thinking, because it looks like support for free is very small... |
| 05:19.54 | evilgeek | _rockstar: seriously, i wouldn't bother with unrar-free unless you're hell-bent on using free software. |
| 05:20.05 | Coweater | _rockstar: unrar-free --help gives a decent usage, there really isn't much to do with it |
| 05:20.24 | Coweater | just don't bother with rar files, tell people to use a real format |
| 05:20.27 | redblades | I'm happy I got X working, but I really want to resolve the issue with 3ddesktop |
| 05:20.35 | _rockstar | evilgeek, Coweater -- Thanks for the help |
| 05:20.36 | evilgeek | (if you are, someone else told me about something called 7zip which i've never used or anything but which supposedly deals with rar files quite nicely.) |
| 05:20.39 | redblades | Coweater |
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| 05:20.43 | redblades | I agree |
| 05:20.53 | redblades | 7zip |
| 05:20.56 | _rockstar | Coweater, yeah, I don't know. This guy loves to send me .sit files too. I want to say "Welcome to 1994!" |
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| 05:21.06 | redblades | I've heard of that |
| 05:21.17 | redblades | sit? never heard of it |
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| 05:21.31 | Coweater | aladdin's stuffit, more popular in the mac world |
| 05:21.55 | evilgeek | not particularly popular anywhere, though. |
| 05:21.57 | Coweater | it was the winzip of 68k macs pretty much |
| 05:22.11 | evilgeek | really? oh. i stand corrected. |
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| 05:23.26 | tnks | Also, with respect to my idea for apt, is there a way to see which packages were installed when I installed, for example, the "kde" package? |
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| 05:24.07 | tnks | actually, not worrying about whether it was pulled in already. |
| 05:24.12 | Arafangion | tnks: --dry-run |
| 05:24.35 | tnks | it's just that navigating the dependencies manually for a large project is painful. |
| 05:24.38 | streuner | tnks: do you have backups from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ? |
| 05:25.34 | tnks | Arafangion: so you recommend that I do a remove -dry-run and see what pops up? |
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| 05:26.39 | streuner | tnks: what's the real problem? |
| 05:26.42 | tnks | streuner: I'm looking at /var/lib/dpkg/info's contents right now. How does this help me tell what is related to what via dependency. |
| 05:27.14 | streuner | tnks: show us the command and the error(s) in paster bot |
| 05:27.16 | tnks | streuner: I have a lot of applications installed. I might be nice to see a core set after all the dependencies are accounted for. |
| 05:27.17 | streuner | !paste |
| 05:27.17 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 05:28.22 | Arafangion | tnks: If you want to see what happens, but not actually install it, use a -dry-run |
| 05:28.29 | tnks | streuner: not sure a command easily does what I'm interested in. Actually, that's what I'm asking about... |
| 05:28.35 | tnks | Arafangion: that seems fair. |
| 05:29.05 | streuner | tnks: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:29.05 | tnks | just thought there might a less indirect method. |
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| 05:29.22 | Arafangion | tnks: You may also consider learning one of those complicated clients, such as dselect, maybe they'll list the dependencies and allow you to navigate them. |
| 05:29.51 | Vasistha | tnks: I think what you really want is to learn how the database is implemented |
| 05:30.35 | tnks | Vasistha: I'm mostly just trying to see what tools exist already to prevent redoing work. |
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| 05:33.52 | tnks | So here's why I'm asking. In /var/lib/dpkg/status dependency information is provided (if I need to parse through it), but then I need to make version comparisons (to do it right). I'm not sure how compicated comparing Debian versions really is. |
| 05:35.39 | tnks | There are even some operators I'm not even sure about... like ">>". |
| 05:36.29 | Vasistha | tnks: that sounds like a bash issue? |
| 05:36.29 | tnks | looks like "really less than". |
| 05:36.29 | tnks | Vasistha: well, I can make the script in Python, so that's not that bad. |
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| 05:37.23 | tnks | It would be nice if making string comparisons of Debian versions were already implemented in such a way I could it in a script. |
| 05:37.30 | redblades | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 05:37.38 | Vasistha | I think "greater than" is closer... but AFAIK it's a tool for output redirection, and doubling it allows special capabilities when dealing with things other than normal files |
| 05:37.48 | streuner | tnks: 99.99 percent of all people saying apt work for them well. If you don't think try 'apt-get moo' |
| 05:38.19 | redblades | Anyone, if you know how to fix this, do share |
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| 05:38.43 | tnks | streuner: I'm not complaining... just trying to enhance the experience. |
| 05:39.05 | Vasistha | streuner: I think he was just proposing adding a minute capability to add a comment as a reason something was installed ... which sounds to me like an interesting and useful feature that should not include a reimplementation of anything |
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| 05:39.31 | streuner | feel free to sent patches to mdz :-) |
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| 05:40.11 | tnks | streuner: Vasistha: Also with a tool to add in comments to all install packages installed by dependency to another package, it might be possible to make tools like orphaner/deborphan even more powerful. |
| 05:40.13 | Vasistha | tnks: if I were you I would start digging into the aptitude code and figure out what it's doing, how it's accessing the database |
| 05:40.51 | tnks | Vasistha: is aptitude stand-alone... or it might just be a wrapper for dpkg or apt-get, right? |
| 05:41.01 | Vasistha | tnks: I honestly think it's a great idea. The fact is that what we really want is the "leaves" -- the end applications -- rather than the libs |
| 05:41.07 | tnks | If so, the code is probably hard-coded in C. |
| 05:41.53 | Vasistha | tnks: I don't really know... and I'd imagine the base system is in C, although I could be wrong. gentoo's portage system is in some scripting lancuage, IIRC, perhaps python |
| 05:42.05 | Vasistha | *language |
| 05:42.14 | tnks | Vasistha: interesting -- hadn't heard that. |
| 05:42.29 | dragoon` | Vasistha: its in python |
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| 05:45.08 | Vasistha | tnks: I learned that little factoid from a guy who was working on a replacement for portage in ... bash, of all languages |
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| 05:45.41 | streuner | !gentoosmite dragoon` |
| 05:45.52 | Vasistha | hehheh |
| 05:46.09 | Arafangi1n | dpkg: SHouldn't that be SLOWER? |
| 05:46.32 | Vasistha | Arafangi1n: aww, c'mon, give the gentoo people some credit :-) |
| 05:46.44 | streuner | well, that's up to YOU, what flags you used ! ;-) |
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| 05:48.44 | deadcat | my /etc/cron.daily/man-db gives me the following errors to my root's mailbox: mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/bitmap.1x: No such file or directory... and so on with other bad symlinks. what to do? |
| 05:49.05 | Arafangi1n | Vasistha: I was a gentoo user back in the dark early days. :) |
| 05:49.26 | Arafangi1n | Vasistha: And nothing I did made it run faster than my custom, slightly modified custom distro. |
| 05:49.36 | Arafangi1n | (Based on www.linuxfromscratch.org) |
| 05:49.53 | Arafangi1n | (Though these days, I'm still very happy with Debian Sarge) |
| 05:49.57 | Vasistha | Arafangi1n: well, okay, but that's your own custom distro. how about faster than, e.g., a stock debian kernel? |
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| 05:50.39 | Arafangi1n | Vasistha: I found the Gentoo kernel itself to be more responsive but less reliable than the debian kernel. |
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| 05:50.44 | Arafangi1n | Significantly less reliable. |
| 05:50.53 | sid | How many hours does the average hdd last? (eide) |
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| 05:51.02 | tnks | Okay, I got the code for dpkg... found where all this version comparison is done. |
| 05:51.08 | Arafangi1n | sid: How long is the average piece of string? |
| 05:51.09 | sid | say a hdd at a colo company, how many hours will it last, on average |
| 05:51.17 | sid | Arafangi1n: 5 feet |
| 05:51.36 | Arafangi1n | sid: Then the average HDD "should" last 5 years. |
| 05:51.53 | Arafangi1n | sid: Or 5 months, I'm rusty with feet to time conversions. |
| 05:51.56 | tnks | It's just straight C. I'm pretty sure this is what apt-get, dselect, and aptitude wrap around. |
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| 05:53.03 | r4f0 | ? |
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| 05:54.31 | liable | ! |
| 05:55.26 | SMRB | who is watching the world cup (*) |
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| 05:55.47 | simonrvn | this isn't #worldcup |
| 05:55.51 | streuner | there is a channel called #worldcup, IIRC |
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| 05:59.30 | deadcat | SMRB: this is a geek/nerd channel. most people here dont like sports.. you either talk linux or porn here |
| 05:59.56 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 06:00.01 | tonsofpcs | deadcat: what about bsd girls and how linux needs better? |
| 06:00.09 | deadcat | tonsofpcs: i dont know |
| 06:01.09 | deadcat | what the f is podcast? is that like live streaming? |
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| 06:01.30 | streuner | !listvals podcast |
| 06:01.32 | tiglionabbit | hello |
| 06:01.36 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'podcast' by value (2): podcast ;; podcasting. |
| 06:02.25 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: it's RSS + MP3 |
| 06:02.27 | deadcat | streuner: so its the new way of downloading mp3 or something? i hear lots of podcast i thought thats just some buzz words |
| 06:02.44 | tiglionabbit | I have a question about apt. I'm gonna use a friend's ubuntu machine, and I'd like to leave it in the same state I came to it. But I needa install some packages. Is there a way to make apt-get log the changes it's made, and then undo them later? So a few days from now I can delete all the packages I installed today |
| 06:02.47 | streuner | !podcast |
| 06:02.48 | dpkg | podcast is probably a way of downloading mp3 files through an RSS feed. See podcasting |
| 06:02.48 | simonrvn | (cr)apple "invention". basically an rss feed, but for multimedia instead of text/html/xml |
| 06:02.59 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: basically MP3s that automatically get downloaded by some client (e.g. iTunes), which checks the feed and syncs them to the iPod automatically. |
| 06:03.00 | simonrvn | video too |
| 06:03.02 | pingu | http://www.askaninja.com/news/2006/03/07/special-delivery-1-what-is-podcasting |
| 06:03.04 | pingu | That is podcasting. |
| 06:03.12 | deadcat | simonrvn: shit.. those fuckers really have to stop inventing stupid words that makes no sence |
| 06:03.35 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: ah.... so it would require an ipod right? |
| 06:03.40 | pingu | No deadcat. |
| 06:03.41 | evilgeek | deadcat: i agree. the computer industry in general seems to have such problems. |
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| 06:03.51 | pingu | It has nothing to do with ipods besides the pod part. |
| 06:03.54 | tiglionabbit | hey, what about "javascript" |
| 06:04.01 | deadcat | pingu: thats why its confusing |
| 06:04.06 | pingu | But that link I gave explains the pod part. |
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| 06:04.29 | deadcat | pingu: i thought it was like web streaming to the ipod or something.. |
| 06:04.36 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: not necessarily. a program could just as easily check the RSS feed and shove 'em into a directory. |
| 06:05.04 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: it's a "broadcast" that gets automatically synced to the iPod (or at least that's why it was invented), hence "podcast". |
| 06:05.37 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: an interesting idea, though it's massively over-hyped |
| 06:05.55 | simonrvn | !pcmcia |
| 06:05.55 | dpkg | pcmcia is, like, (Personal Computer Memory Card International Association) Aside from winning the award for being the longest and most-annoying-to-pronounce technology acronym, PCMCIA is a credit card-sized interface card standard. PCMCIA cards are most commonly found in notebook computers. You'll usually find two slots on newer models. Two small slots can hold two Type I or II cards or one Type III card. Type III cards are usually mini hard drives. ... |
| 06:06.04 | deadcat | pingu: funny link. if that dude has a gun. i swear i would mistaken him as a terrorist (= |
| 06:06.24 | pingu | I hope that was a joke :P |
| 06:06.27 | deadcat | thanks guys |
| 06:06.32 | Vasistha | simonrvn: I think some of that should be dropped in favor of the joke acronym :-) |
| 06:06.40 | deadcat | pingu: well he has the size (fat that is) |
| 06:07.03 | pingu | deadcat: You watch too much TV. |
| 06:07.10 | streuner | haha |
| 06:07.28 | deadcat | pingu: no. i think i regconize him from a terrorist film they played on local news.. thats him!!! (= |
| 06:07.28 | pingu | Honestly, where the hell would the stereotype of a fat terrorist come from? |
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| 06:07.38 | Vasistha | simonrvn: ...or at least a factoid more descriptive of what the technology actually is -- a hardware expansion card, that acts as a substitute for PCI or other expansion cards that won't fit into notebooks |
| 06:08.38 | simonrvn | go ahead and edit. as long as it's informational too, i don't care |
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| 06:10.36 | deadcat | pingu: ok. that guy is really bad at explaining podcasting... all he say is "holy smoke" |
| 06:11.22 | deadcat | pingu: apple pie and whales? wtf. the ninja on crack? |
| 06:13.05 | Dewi | hmm. secure-testing.debian.net isn't very responsive right now. |
| 06:13.35 | deadcat | Dewi: it aint .org. what you expect |
| 06:13.48 | Dewi | aah. |
| 06:13.48 | pingu | deadcat, the ninja knows all. |
| 06:13.52 | Dewi | dpkg has a new factoid |
| 06:13.56 | Dewi | deadcat: it was debian.net in the past |
| 06:14.31 | Dewi | but dpkg has the new info |
| 06:14.43 | deadcat | o |
| 06:15.29 | hound | Dewi, I just did an update to see what you were talking about, probably didn't help speed things up :) I wonder how many others did the same thing? Working just realllyyy slow. |
| 06:15.50 | Dewi | hound: I can't even connect to port 80 |
| 06:15.56 | Arafangion | Could someone please help test my yahoo account? I'm talkystar |
| 06:16.00 | Dewi | let alone download a package list or package |
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| 06:16.09 | Dewi | hound: or even ping the machine |
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| 06:16.21 | deadcat | Arafangion: create a new one and test for yourself |
| 06:16.28 | pei_world | anyone can help me with ntp |
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| 06:16.33 | Arafangion | deadcat: *shudder* |
| 06:16.42 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 06:16.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 06:16.42 | deadcat | pei_world: try ntp.nasa.gov |
| 06:16.44 | Gnea | !ntp |
| 06:16.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 06:16.45 | Stevie | At the sound of the ping the time will be Sat Jun 10 02:16:46 2006 *ping* |
| 06:17.02 | Arafangion | Stevie: What if I didn't hear the ping? |
| 06:17.03 | deadcat | Stevie: please stop that |
| 06:17.06 | Dewi | Stevie: incorrect |
| 06:17.13 | pei_world | I want some of my device in my LAN to ntpdate to my gateway machine |
| 06:17.23 | pei_world | when i try ntpdate 10.0.0.1 |
| 06:17.36 | pei_world | 1 Jan 02:50:39 ntpdate[1197]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 06:17.42 | Gnea | Stevie: place your crackpipe on the ground, and step away. |
| 06:17.50 | deadcat | pei_world: port open? try the -u option |
| 06:17.59 | Gnea | !tell pei_world about ntp |
| 06:18.16 | pei_world | on my gateway machine I got |
| 06:18.17 | pei_world | 10 Jun 16:17:49 ntpdate[27679]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
| 06:20.02 | hound | pei_world, I think the ntp socket is in use probably because you are running an ntp server to host for your lan |
| 06:20.15 | pei_world | I remembered that i need to change the ntp.conf file, but I forgot how |
| 06:20.28 | deadcat | pei_world: with an editor |
| 06:20.31 | dondelelcaro | pei_world: you just need to stop ntp server if you want to use ntpdate |
| 06:20.35 | hound | I don't think there's any use/way to have ntpdate and an ntp daemon |
| 06:20.46 | hound | pei_world, for yoru client server you can edit /etc/defaults/ntpdate |
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| 06:21.00 | hound | if you use /etc/init.d/ntpdate to sync your clock |
| 06:21.05 | valdyn | pei_world: a) dont use ntpdate manually, let it run on bootup as is default, b) edit the conf files to use to proper server ( your server ), done |
| 06:22.53 | pei_world | my client devices in my Lans run ntpdate by a script from my host, the script ssh into each device and run ntpdate to my host |
| 06:23.20 | valdyn | pei_world: geez, why are you trying to make this complicated? |
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| 06:24.03 | pei_world | I am runing a package, that automatically call this script |
| 06:24.14 | tnks | Vasistha: streuner: I just found a really cool tool: apt-rdepends... I've been looking for a tool like this for a long time. |
| 06:24.25 | Vasistha | tnks: excellent! |
| 06:24.31 | tnks | `apt-rdepends --state-follow=Installed --state-show=Installed -d dpkg | dotty -` |
| 06:24.32 | valdyn | pei_world: automatically running ntpdate when you system is up and running is silly and dangerous |
| 06:24.55 | pei_world | no, |
| 06:25.06 | Gnea | pei_world: yes, we are aware of how ntp works - so you're running ntp-server on your main server and are trying to keep all machines on the lan updated using that as the server - that's fine, so how are you configuring the clients to use it? |
| 06:26.05 | pei_world | I said that I have a software package that wil exectue a script to ssh into each host in Lan and run ntpdate to synchronise to my gateway host |
| 06:26.27 | deadcat | pei_world: we dont know your package. so we have no clue how to help you. sorry |
| 06:26.30 | Gnea | pei_world: why not use crontab? |
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| 06:27.03 | bgilb | hello |
| 06:27.49 | pei_world | it is just a script to ssh into each machine, and run ntpdate command |
| 06:28.16 | Gnea | pei_world: again, WHY? crontab can do it whenever you tell it to, on each machine. |
| 06:28.28 | pei_world | each host in LAN will run "ntpdate 10.0.0.1", 10.0.0.1 is my gateway host running ntp-server |
| 06:29.01 | deadcat | Gnea: its about time |
| 06:29.02 | pei_world | how can I do it then, please help |
| 06:29.08 | valdyn | pei_world: why dont you use the default setup of debian? |
| 06:29.28 | Gnea | pei_world: i've already tried helping you, but you don't have enough intelligence to make it work. |
| 06:30.06 | pei_world | all our devices are router, they will reboot maybe once a month |
| 06:30.20 | Gnea | useless information. |
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| 06:30.43 | Gnea | pei_world: are you, or are you not familiar with crontab? |
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| 06:30.58 | Craigevil | if they are all connected to the net why not just let them use ntp and update? or man crontab |
| 06:31.07 | pei_world | no, I am only a newbie to linux |
| 06:31.37 | Gnea | pei_world: thank you for finally not being a broken record. |
| 06:31.47 | SMRB | Im starting to prefer linux over women |
| 06:32.14 | deadcat | SMRB: prefer or have no choice? big diff |
| 06:32.18 | valdyn | pei_world: this is silly, debian provides a perfectly reasonable way ( ntp-simple ) to keep your clock synced, but you are trying for some weird reason to use your custom unsafe ntpdate script |
| 06:32.41 | Gnea | pei_world: it is stupid to use scripts to ssh - you can use crontab to run the same commands on each machine at any time interval of your choice. |
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| 06:33.21 | deadcat | pei_world: heres what i do: 0 * * * * /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 06:33.53 | pei_world | ok, we are runing wireless research network, we want to perform mobility test on about 20 routers |
| 06:33.57 | Gnea | pei_world: deadcat just gave you the perfect example. all you have to do is edit your /etc/ntp.conf and tell it to use 10.0.0.1, that's it. |
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| 06:34.19 | Gnea | pei_world: that's fine, so just have the crontab script ping -c 1 the other nodes |
| 06:34.30 | deadcat | pei_world: yoU DONT deserve the job... |
| 06:34.36 | pei_world | we want to ntpdate just before the testing package run, inorder to capture each router's motion |
| 06:36.04 | Gnea | pei_world: well, since ntpdate puts all of the systems to the same time, it would be easy to do so. |
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| 06:36.45 | grendal_prime | dpkg is such a cool guy...im sure glad he keeps up on all this stuff |
| 06:36.54 | grendal_prime | !dpkg free-nx |
| 06:37.12 | Gnea | !sex |
| 06:37.12 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 06:37.15 | grendal_prime | !dpkg free-x |
| 06:37.20 | grendal_prime | !dpkg freenx |
| 06:37.20 | dpkg | freenx is probably a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
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| 06:40.23 | Dewi | on testing / sid, x11-common has replaced xserver-common. However, some packages still rely on xserver-common, such as vncserver. |
| 06:40.43 | Gnea | well that sucks. |
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| 06:41.00 | Dewi | oops I mean tightvncserver |
| 06:41.06 | dondelelcaro | !provides x11-common |
| 06:41.21 | dpkg | x11-common: has nothing about provides |
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| 06:42.01 | Dewi | it's been this way for at least 2 weeks now |
| 06:42.12 | Dewi | maybe I should file a bug... on tightvncserver, I suppose? |
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| 06:42.56 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: probably on both; x11-common should probably continue to provide xserver-common |
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| 06:43.32 | dondelelcaro | s/continue to// |
| 06:44.25 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: this is #362516 which has been fixed |
| 06:44.29 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #362516 |
| 06:44.32 | dpkg | DONE:#362516:G[tightvncserver] tightvncserver: depends on xserver-common which became obsolate; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:33:02 UTC |
| 06:44.56 | Gnea | hrm, interesting. |
| 06:45.01 | Dewi | hmm |
| 06:45.05 | Dewi | that's a similar bug |
| 06:45.07 | Dewi | but not the same |
| 06:45.10 | Gnea | now i'm having the same problem that pei guy had |
| 06:45.16 | Dewi | the package my system is trying to install is x11-common |
| 06:45.24 | Dewi | not xserver-xorg |
| 06:45.31 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: uh... no, it's the same bug. |
| 06:45.39 | Gnea | Dewi: equivs? |
| 06:45.45 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the bug is that tightvncserver depends on xserver-common, not x11-common |
| 06:46.00 | Dewi | hmm, the guy closing the bug said: "it is depending on x11-common OR xserver-common" |
| 06:46.21 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes, which is the proper way to do so... but this only happened in the -10 upload. |
| 06:46.31 | Dewi | oh right |
| 06:46.33 | dondelelcaro | (which happened 2 days ago) |
| 06:46.35 | Dewi | so it's still working through |
| 06:46.38 | Vasistha | !pcmcia cards |
| 06:46.40 | Dewi | how long does it take these days? |
| 06:46.48 | Dewi | I'm on etch |
| 06:46.53 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it'll take 10 days. |
| 06:46.59 | Vasistha | !pcmcia is <reply> PCMCIA is a hardware expansion technology for laptop computers. It stands for, "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms". Ask me about <pcmcia cards>. Okay, okay, the real acronym can be found on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMCIA Communication is similar to PCI or ISA, but a PCMCIA or CardBus bridge has a credit-card-sized form factor, and many cards are hot-pluggable. |
| 06:46.59 | dpkg | ...but pcmcia is already something else... |
| 06:47.07 | Vasistha | hrm |
| 06:47.21 | dondelelcaro | !why is tightvncserver not in testing |
| 06:47.21 | dpkg | tightvncserver is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=tightvncserver |
| 06:47.52 | Dewi | has no old version? hmm. |
| 06:48.10 | dondelelcaro | yes, because it was removed from testing because of that bug |
| 06:48.32 | Vasistha | !pcmcia cards is <reply> PCMCIA cards allow you to add extra hardware functionality to an aging laptop computer. Typical uses include wireless or wired networking, modem, hard disk, memory expansion, USB port, etc. Ask me about <pcmcia> or see the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMCIA |
| 06:48.33 | dpkg | Vasistha: okay |
| 06:48.48 | Gnea | Vasistha: try /msg dpkg |
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| 06:49.09 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, pcmcia is <reply> see pcmcia cards |
| 06:49.10 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 06:49.41 | Vasistha | Gnea: thanks. I was talking about it with someone, but it's been a while now :P |
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| 07:08.57 | bengrubb | hey, i have a spare computer, gunna put debian on it, i have a network of about 10 computers and i wanna do something with this computer that looks cool.. i have cacti on a computer and i can't decide what i should do with this spare hehe |
| 07:09.53 | deadcat | bengrubb: the f is cacti? |
| 07:10.16 | bengrubb | pardon |
| 07:10.17 | deadcat | bengrubb: also define "cool" |
| 07:10.49 | bengrubb | cacti is a network monitor (uses smnp) and cool = something interesting |
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| 07:11.02 | deadcat | bengrubb: ah. dont know and dont know |
| 07:11.09 | bengrubb | heh |
| 07:11.33 | bengrubb | do you have anything interesting (if you do have a network) happening |
| 07:11.53 | deadcat | bengrubb: nope. they only use wireless to surf the net. |
| 07:12.19 | bengrubb | through a wireless isp or through a router at wherever |
| 07:12.36 | deadcat | bengrubb: cheap ass access point. not even router (= |
| 07:12.44 | bengrubb | heh' |
| 07:12.51 | deadcat | bengrubb: the AP then go through a cheap router |
| 07:12.58 | deadcat | then go through a cheap dsl modem |
| 07:12.59 | bengrubb | hehe |
| 07:13.00 | deadcat | haha |
| 07:13.02 | bengrubb | mmm cheap |
| 07:13.04 | deadcat | hella ghetoo |
| 07:13.29 | deadcat | ghetto |
| 07:13.58 | bengrubb | i got a router then a wireless router and a switch and an access point with ommni on roof with one person connecting down the street with bandwidth monitoring |
| 07:14.09 | bengrubb | and a few computers laying around |
| 07:14.23 | deadcat | bengrubb: you need another hobby (= |
| 07:14.36 | bengrubb | like |
| 07:14.41 | bengrubb | computer games.. |
| 07:14.43 | deadcat | i prefer running |
| 07:14.58 | bengrubb | ! hobbie |
| 07:15.03 | deadcat | bengrubb: no. hobby taht doesnt inclue a computer (= |
| 07:15.11 | bengrubb | oh.. |
| 07:15.17 | bengrubb | whats yours |
| 07:15.28 | deadcat | bengrubb: running.. |
| 07:15.32 | bengrubb | i have model aeroplanes |
| 07:15.38 | bengrubb | remote control |
| 07:15.41 | deadcat | bengrubb: thats cool... |
| 07:15.49 | bengrubb | yes it is |
| 07:16.18 | deadcat | bengrubb: those mini helicopter seems cool (= |
| 07:16.30 | bengrubb | cheap ones |
| 07:17.08 | bengrubb | i have 2 rc model aeroplanes like 1 and a half meters fuel powered |
| 07:17.13 | deadcat | geez. this channel is DEAD.. just me and you chatting.. and no one even talked for the last 40min |
| 07:17.20 | bengrubb | i know ay |
| 07:17.22 | bengrubb | its weird |
| 07:17.32 | bengrubb | the rest are at oftc |
| 07:17.34 | deadcat | bengrubb: bet they all watching porn (= |
| 07:17.39 | bengrubb | ! oftc |
| 07:17.40 | dpkg | hmm... oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 07:17.42 | deadcat | bengrubb: nope. oftc is dead too.. |
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| 07:18.02 | bengrubb | hmm |
| 07:18.13 | bengrubb | ! tell bengrubb oftc move |
| 07:18.23 | bengrubb | mm |
| 07:18.27 | bengrubb | bored |
| 07:18.53 | deadcat | i am gonna take a shower.. so you on your own!!(= |
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| 07:19.04 | bengrubb | ill look after everything.. |
| 07:19.19 | bengrubb | ! 1 + pi |
| 07:19.20 | dpkg | 4.14159265 |
| 07:19.31 | grendal_prime | dude...lets get into the fridg now that hes gone!! |
| 07:19.31 | bengrubb | ! 100000000 x pi |
| 07:19.40 | bengrubb | haha |
| 07:20.03 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 07:20.16 | grendal_prime | lets ask the magic 8 ball what we should do.. |
| 07:20.26 | bengrubb | ! 8 ball |
| 07:20.29 | grendal_prime | !dpkg mischiev |
| 07:20.38 | grendal_prime | !dpkg trouble |
| 07:20.38 | dpkg | from memory, trouble is double trouble, or double double |
| 07:20.49 | bengrubb | i think i killed it\ |
| 07:21.00 | Gnea | no, you just don't know how to use it |
| 07:21.05 | bengrubb | yer |
| 07:21.08 | bengrubb | your right |
| 07:21.17 | bengrubb | ! 8 - 8 |
| 07:21.19 | grendal_prime | i was kidding and i totally forgot about the 8ball bot |
| 07:21.37 | grendal_prime | how do you spell mischieve? |
| 07:21.45 | grendal_prime | got im getting even bad for me |
| 07:21.52 | grendal_prime | and i can spell for shit |
| 07:21.59 | bengrubb | !1-1 |
| 07:22.05 | bengrubb | it hates me |
| 07:22.18 | bengrubb | ! 1++1 |
| 07:22.29 | bengrubb | haaaates me |
| 07:24.19 | bengrubb | ! 1+1 |
| 07:24.20 | dpkg | 2 |
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| 07:24.30 | bengrubb | ! 1++1 |
| 07:24.43 | Gnea | !1+2 |
| 07:24.43 | dpkg | 4 |
| 07:24.44 | bengrubb | it doesnt know php.. |
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| 07:25.24 | bengrubb | !1+2 |
| 07:25.24 | dpkg | 4 |
| 07:25.29 | bengrubb | ... |
| 07:25.33 | Gnea | LMFAO |
| 07:25.37 | Vasistha | uh |
| 07:25.42 | bengrubb | ! 2+1 |
| 07:25.42 | dpkg | 3 |
| 07:25.47 | Vasistha | hehheh |
| 07:25.48 | bengrubb | ok.... |
| 07:25.49 | Vasistha | ! 1+2 |
| 07:25.49 | dpkg | 4 |
| 07:25.55 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 07:26.05 | bengrubb | muhahaha |
| 07:26.05 | Vasistha | that's...just...wrong! |
| 07:26.06 | Vasistha | hehe |
| 07:26.06 | bengrubb | hahaha |
| 07:26.12 | bengrubb | ! 1+2 |
| 07:26.12 | dpkg | 4 |
| 07:26.23 | bengrubb | !1+2+3 |
| 07:26.24 | dpkg | 6 |
| 07:26.24 | Gnea | ! 2+3 |
| 07:26.24 | dpkg | 5 |
| 07:26.34 | bengrubb | its retarded |
| 07:26.42 | bengrubb | !1+2 |
| 07:26.43 | dpkg | 4 |
| 07:26.49 | simonrvn | !2+1 |
| 07:26.49 | dpkg | 3 |
| 07:26.52 | bengrubb | how the frik do you get that |
| 07:26.54 | simonrvn | bug |
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| 07:27.24 | bengrubb | !teach dpkg 1+2 |
| 07:28.03 | Gnea | ! 2*5 |
| 07:28.03 | dpkg | 10 |
| 07:28.21 | bengrubb | how can you teach it |
| 07:28.23 | Gnea | ! (3*5)+4 |
| 07:28.24 | dpkg | 19 |
| 07:28.26 | bengrubb | !teach |
| 07:28.26 | dpkg | give a man a fish and he eats for a night. teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime. |
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| 07:28.52 | jonas3 | ! 1+1;ls -al |
| 07:28.53 | jonas3 | =) |
| 07:29.33 | bengrubb | pi 10² |
| 07:29.38 | raj | anaconda installer not installing in laptop |
| 07:29.45 | simonrvn | who cares |
| 07:29.45 | bengrubb | ! pi 10² |
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| 07:30.00 | bengrubb | !pi*10² |
| 07:30.03 | callee | what happened to http://secure-testing.debian.net ? |
| 07:30.22 | raj | anaconda installer not installing in laptop what i have to do |
| 07:30.31 | callee | bengrubb: just do a random-walk and you'll be fine :D |
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| 07:31.01 | bengrubb | !pi*10² |
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| 07:31.08 | bengrubb | !pi*2 |
| 07:31.08 | dpkg | 6.2831853 |
| 07:31.17 | bengrubb | !pi*10 |
| 07:31.17 | dpkg | 31.4159265 |
| 07:31.29 | bengrubb | !pi*100000000000000000000000 |
| 07:31.30 | dpkg | 314159264999999985942528 |
| 07:31.44 | bengrubb | pi* 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 07:31.55 | bengrubb | !pi*100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 07:31.56 | dpkg | a number with quite a few digits... |
| 07:31.58 | Gnea | apt-get install pi |
| 07:32.02 | bengrubb | hehe |
| 07:32.11 | bengrubb | tic tic |
| 07:32.13 | callee | !pi(ss) off! |
| 07:32.39 | bengrubb | can euse debian to solve pi? |
| 07:32.49 | bengrubb | can we use debian to solve pi* |
| 07:32.56 | Gnea | how? |
| 07:33.00 | bengrubb | math |
| 07:33.09 | Gnea | can you be anymore constructive? |
| 07:33.10 | callee | bengrubb: why not solve it yourself, its a pice of cake to do it yourself for lets say 10000000 digits |
| 07:33.28 | callee | !pi/0 |
| 07:33.39 | callee | !pi:0 |
| 07:33.41 | bengrubb | http://3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.com/ |
| 07:33.50 | bengrubb | go to it |
| 07:33.56 | Gnea | i think i used to own that |
| 07:34.33 | grendal_prime | anyone use freenx? |
| 07:34.41 | grendal_prime | i cant figer this thing out |
| 07:35.35 | grendal_prime | i fire up the client....but it just gives me a text box with with some lines in it. |
| 07:35.47 | Gnea | bengrubb: ok, i'm all for figuring things out with pi, but there's a problem: when it's computed, it's all on one line. can you make it create a new line every 72 characters or so? |
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| 07:36.39 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@dsl-58-6-120-136.qld.westnet.com.au] by dondelelcaro |
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| 07:41.00 | liable | ok.. |
| 07:42.22 | liable | why did he get +b? |
| 07:43.18 | Gnea | because he kept abusing the bot |
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| 07:44.53 | callee | Gnea: first person to get punished for bot-abusal... maybe someone should file a formal inquery on US senate to add a law like this. |
| 07:45.45 | Gnea | callee: no, he's not the first |
| 07:46.25 | callee | no? |
| 07:46.48 | liable | no |
| 07:47.44 | dondelelcaro | if you abuse the bot, the bot will ignore you; if you make yourself a nusance publicly with the ebot, you'll be silenced... |
| 07:47.58 | callee | whell liable from you that sounds so truthful :) |
| 07:48.42 | liable | didnt seem like there was much else going on here though :P |
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| 07:50.02 | liable | meaning.. cant see the harm apart from annoying some people. but alas.. |
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| 07:51.11 | bgilb | im trying to install debian and when i get to the screen that says "press f1 for help or enter to boot |
| 07:51.14 | liable | much better to watch parts and joins :P |
| 07:51.19 | bgilb | it appears to lock up or something |
| 07:51.24 | Gnea | so yeah, this should probably be an easy thing to figure out, and google isn't exactly very helpful right now - so if i do have a long string of characters (like a truncated textfile with no newlines, everything all on one line) how can i tell it to insert a carraige return every 72 characters or so? |
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| 07:51.41 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: use wrap |
| 07:51.47 | liable | bgilb: but, you hit enter, yes? |
| 07:51.57 | bgilb | i mean yeah |
| 07:51.59 | bgilb | and nothing happens |
| 07:52.05 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: is that a vim function? |
| 07:52.38 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: no... it's a perl function actually... ISTR there being a binary for it too... [in emacs its just M-q] |
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| 07:52.45 | liable | bgilb: cant even get the menus from F3 or F1? |
| 07:52.55 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: cool, checking it out |
| 07:52.57 | bgilb | i tried hitting f1 and nothing happens |
| 07:53.19 | bgilb | its the network install |
| 07:53.24 | bgilb | and i used ImgBurn to burn the cd |
| 07:53.45 | liable | bgilb: got a spare keyboard you can try? |
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| 07:54.12 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: libtext-wrapper-perl looks like a possibility |
| 07:54.16 | liable | bgilb: its not some wireless doo dad is it? |
| 07:54.21 | bgilb | no |
| 07:54.23 | bgilb | its usb |
| 07:54.39 | liable | bgilb: cat get a ps2 one to try? |
| 07:54.43 | bgilb | yeah |
| 07:54.50 | bgilb | ill try that |
| 07:54.54 | bgilb | brb then |
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| 07:55.00 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: yerp, that's it... |
| 07:55.34 | Gnea | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 07:56.20 | dondelelcaro | something like perl -MText::Wrapper -e 'wrap(q(),q(),<>)' foofile; will probably do what you want |
| 07:56.32 | niru | Where can I get help for python |
| 07:56.39 | Gnea | !python |
| 07:56.40 | dpkg | python is probably a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see http://python.org/topics/learn/, or #python |
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| 07:58.25 | liable | lo l0 |
| 07:58.46 | Gnea | there's no wrap() function... hrm |
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| 07:59.23 | Gnea | No documentation for perl function `wrap' found |
| 07:59.47 | callee | !ipv6 |
| 07:59.48 | dpkg | [ipv6] at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see iproute |
| 07:59.50 | niru | I want to know how to place a button on the screen using python.I am using gtk |
| 08:00.05 | Gnea | niru: #python |
| 08:00.07 | aboyousif | guys, i have a big problem i think .. this morning when i start my pc and begin linux debian it do the start script but it stops at a line waiting for root filesystem and after that it go to bash and tell me that it cann't find /dev/hda3 and i'm sure it is exist and it was working good yesterday .. what should i do ? |
| 08:00.48 | Gnea | aboyousif: boot a livecd, such as kanotix, and see if it finds it |
| 08:00.58 | Gnea | !kanotix |
| 08:00.58 | dpkg | well, kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
| 08:01.52 | liable | hrm, this is the third time someone said this, udev doesnt seem to have bugs, is it the kernel or initramfa or what? |
| 08:01.53 | aboyousif | Gnea: i did it .. used slax and knoppix and they both found it |
| 08:02.17 | liable | aboyousif: etch? |
| 08:02.20 | Gnea | aboyousif: then check your system /etc files, like fstab and make sure they didn't become corrupted |
| 08:02.31 | aboyousif | liable , yes |
| 08:02.45 | liable | aboyousif: what kernel version |
| 08:03.01 | aboyousif | Gnea, it is not corrupted |
| 08:03.07 | aboyousif | liable, 2.6.15 |
| 08:03.11 | Gnea | aboyousif: listen to liable |
| 08:03.14 | Gnea | i need sleep |
| 08:03.30 | aboyousif | Gnea, ok thanks , and have nice dreams |
| 08:03.52 | liable | i dont know anything :) but there must be a bug in something, somewhere.. |
| 08:04.04 | liable | obviously, duh me |
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| 08:04.39 | bgilb | heh im back |
| 08:04.44 | aboyousif | liable , http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2006/06/msg00013.html i found this but cann't understand |
| 08:04.54 | aboyousif | i'm not english :( |
| 08:04.56 | liable | whats etch use for initds atm? yaird or what? |
| 08:05.07 | liable | bgilb: didnt work? |
| 08:05.42 | aboyousif | liable: what do you mean ? |
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| 08:06.22 | bgilb | well the keyboard did work |
| 08:06.25 | bgilb | and i hit enter |
| 08:06.32 | bgilb | and some message come across |
| 08:06.36 | cahoot | aboyousif: you don't have an alternative kernel to boot? |
| 08:06.49 | liable | aboyousif: you dont understand how to fix that problem from that bug page? |
| 08:06.50 | bgilb | and it stops saying "kernel panic. couldn't find init. try parameters init= option" |
| 08:06.51 | aboyousif | cahoot: no |
| 08:07.11 | aboyousif | liable, no .. |
| 08:07.37 | cahoot | aboyousif: did you try: insmod /lib/modules/.../ide-disk.ko? |
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| 08:08.19 | aboyousif | what is the path to ide-disk.ko .. there is no ... ( points) |
| 08:08.26 | liable | bgilb: hrm, havent really heard of that one from an install disk. try booting with 'linux26' option |
| 08:08.51 | cahoot | aboyousif: the .. represent place for kernel version |
| 08:09.12 | liable | i thought sysfs was dropped in latest kernels? |
| 08:09.26 | aboyousif | ok .. i will try and back .. thanks alot |
| 08:09.35 | bgilb | do i just type in linux26? |
| 08:09.38 | aboyousif | wait for me :D |
| 08:09.41 | liable | bgilb: yep |
| 08:09.41 | bgilb | sorry if im not a expert |
| 08:09.48 | bgilb | ok brb |
| 08:11.13 | liable | stupid new dvd player wont play a dvd full of avi's :( |
| 08:12.40 | liable | must need a dvd structure or some shit, sucks ass |
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| 08:16.38 | liable | !boring |
| 08:16.38 | dpkg | yes, you are liable |
| 08:16.43 | liable | :( |
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| 08:23.44 | maksim | Hello |
| 08:24.09 | liable | shhhh, we're sleeping. |
| 08:24.43 | maksim | Aaaa... ok |
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| 08:24.54 | aboyousif | back .. |
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| 08:25.12 | liable | aboyousif: with good news? |
| 08:25.58 | aboyousif | after the waiting for busynbox and made insmod and the output tell that it worked i made a reboot and back to the same problem again .. am i missed any points ? |
| 08:26.30 | cahoot | aboyousif: shouyldn't have rebooted since that ypu you right back |
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| 08:26.39 | liable | aboyousif: yes, you werent supposed to reboot |
| 08:26.44 | cahoot | aboyousif: shouldn't have rebooted since that put you right back |
| 08:27.23 | aboyousif | cahoot: it didn't .. i will be just hunged to busybox shell .. i need to startx :) |
| 08:27.37 | cahoot | aboyousif: the bug info sees to imply you need upgrade udev |
| 08:27.43 | aboyousif | how ? |
| 08:27.44 | liable | aboyousif: read the bug, it says to ctrl+D |
| 08:27.56 | liable | thats what i dont get |
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| 08:29.01 | aboyousif | ok .. sorry but i didn't remember this point :) .. i willdo it again .. btw : is it supposed to solve the bug or should i do this every reboot ? |
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| 08:29.38 | acad | how do i search just the installed pacakges? |
| 08:30.03 | liable | aboyousif: you need to do that, and then edit /etc/mkinitramfs/modules and add ide-disk, then dpkg-reconfigure the kernel |
| 08:30.07 | aboyousif | acad: get synaptic |
| 08:30.33 | acad | i'd rather just use apt |
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| 08:31.04 | maksim | aptitude |
| 08:31.22 | cahoot | acad: dpkg -l and grep for pkgname and ii? |
| 08:31.29 | liable | dpkg -l |grep ^ii |grep foo |
| 08:31.30 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep ^ii |grep foo |
| 08:31.37 | liable | dpkg: shuddup |
| 08:31.38 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 08:31.54 | aboyousif | acad use aptitude then |
| 08:31.58 | liable | thats ugly, but should work |
| 08:32.01 | acad | aww- yes, i feel stupid. that explains what i was doing wrong. |
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| 08:32.30 | aboyousif | liable , sorry but how could i dpkg-reconfigure the kernel ? |
| 08:33.06 | liable | aboyousif: dpkg-reconfigure klinux-image-2.6.15-1-686 (substitute for your kernel) |
| 08:33.19 | liable | and fix typos :) |
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| 08:34.00 | aboyousif | liable: what typos ? |
| 08:34.11 | liable | aboyousif: or once you actually get into the system, try a dist-upgrade, it may fix it for you |
| 08:34.23 | liable | klinux... |
| 08:34.33 | aboyousif | ok . it will be easier thanks .. be right back |
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| 08:35.10 | maksim | Hmm/// |
| 08:35.17 | maksim | small question |
| 08:35.32 | maksim | I very bad speak english :))) |
| 08:35.55 | maksim | IRC -> /list -> (all list) |
| 08:35.57 | liable | heh, its my native language and i do too. :) |
| 08:36.13 | maksim | search in list??? |
| 08:36.26 | maksim | not all list :) |
| 08:36.39 | maksim | I all understand but very bad write |
| 08:37.05 | maksim | Any body speak russian? :) |
| 08:37.20 | liable | !ru |
| 08:37.20 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 08:37.53 | maksim | Thank you :)))) |
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| 08:44.23 | acad | i got a question about cyrus if anybody knows the answer- i had a hacker and i'm not sure how he got in, except it appears that he got in through cyrus (mail program) which created an account called cyrus. should a user be able to get in without a password to cyrus? and if so- wouldn't this user not be allowed to login remotely? |
| 08:45.08 | liable | he logged in via ssh with cyrus account? |
| 08:45.12 | acad | yea |
| 08:45.19 | acad | thats what the logs say |
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| 08:45.55 | aboyousif | back .. |
| 08:46.09 | aboyousif | it works well now .. thanks alot every one :) |
| 08:46.37 | liable | acad: hrm, that doesnt sound good. have you read the docs for cyrus, i cant imagine it creating an account thats accesible via ssh without some serious warnings or something |
| 08:46.49 | liable | aboyousif: yay :) |
| 08:47.12 | liable | acad: paste log? |
| 08:47.15 | acad | i assume he wasn't able to escalate the user accounts privileges as he didn't make any attempts to cover himself- that a non-privileged user couldn't do. ie he used spaces in a directory in the /var/tmp to hide his files. |
| 08:48.07 | acad | i have not read cyrus docs, however i have read elsewhere that an unpassword protected cyrus is created by default |
| 08:48.26 | acad | i was not the amdinistator who installed cyrus |
| 08:48.29 | liable | acad: eww. sounds awfull |
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| 08:49.30 | acad | i'm just curious- because we have another server which has not been hacked with cyrus on it. |
| 08:49.42 | liable | acad: i find it hard to believe (though not impossible) that a debian installed package creates a ssh user without a password |
| 08:49.59 | acad | thats what i thought |
| 08:50.08 | acad | * hmm |
| 08:50.34 | liable | acad: so, go read every bit of documentation that debian provides for the package on your system |
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| 08:51.45 | liable | and i guess, the obligatory warning "take the box off the net untill you diagnose.." :) |
| 08:51.55 | acad | i'll look into it some more some other time, this isn't urgent as i've solved the problem. it's just a concern as i am suprised this happened. |
| 08:52.07 | acad | yes, i did take the box down |
| 08:52.35 | liable | certainly surprising |
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| 08:57.52 | liable | gah, if i lean back in my couch, my tv goes fuzzy! :( |
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| 08:59.59 | aboyousif | back :) |
| 09:00.06 | aboyousif | liable, what is yay :D |
| 09:00.24 | liable | yay == good |
| 09:00.35 | aboyousif | liable, is it english ? |
| 09:00.49 | liable | or, sweet, excellent, cool, nice great, etc etc |
| 09:01.09 | liable | aboyousif: i guess its english slang |
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| 09:01.57 | crypt_ex | is there a tool which can rip a cd to mp3? |
| 09:02.08 | aboyousif | liable, i am not good in the formal english .. and you talk with me in slang .. looool |
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| 09:03.14 | liable | aboyousif: no worries cobber |
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| 09:03.24 | noderat | How do you fix the pesky ssh bug where when the terminal window is resized the line length is messed up and causes the lines to come back up on themselves making a mess of text |
| 09:04.10 | aboyousif | liable, loool define cobber :) |
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| 09:06.36 | aboyousif | btw: any good dictionary in linux ( english -english or english -arabic ) |
| 09:06.46 | liable | aboyousif: cobber == mate, friend, bungy, buddy, |
| 09:07.13 | liable | aboyousif: i am from .au, so we have some strange english here :) |
| 09:07.41 | aboyousif | liable, aha .. good |
| 09:07.52 | liable | especially if you haved lived 'out bush' |
| 09:07.58 | dooglus | what is the recommended way of setting variables like "export VISUAL=/usr/bin/vi" so that sensible-editor will pick it up? |
| 09:08.15 | dooglus | I'm using gdm, so my .bashrc is never sourced. |
| 09:08.26 | dooglus | nor my .bash_profile |
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| 09:15.33 | liable | dooglus: you want to set editor to vi? |
| 09:16.09 | dooglus | liable: I do |
| 09:16.24 | dooglus | liable: well, to /usr/local/bin/emacs, really, but whatever... |
| 09:16.28 | liable | dooglus: update-alternatives --config editor? |
| 09:16.39 | dooglus | liable: that doesn't affect the value of VISUAL |
| 09:17.00 | dooglus | liable: and also won't stop 'sensible-editor' running 'nano' |
| 09:17.02 | liable | ok, dunno what that is |
| 09:17.11 | dooglus | it's an environment variable. |
| 09:17.32 | liable | cant you set sensible-editor too? |
| 09:17.45 | dooglus | basically, my question is, "how do I set an environment variable in my X environment when starting it from gdmÂ?" |
| 09:18.00 | dooglus | liable: sensible-editor is a script in /usr/bin/ |
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| 09:18.11 | liable | dooglus: oh |
| 09:18.17 | azeem | dooglus: did you try /etc/environment? |
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| 09:18.25 | azeem | though I'm not sure gdm sources that |
| 09:18.26 | liable | dooglus: no fucking clue then :) |
| 09:18.34 | dooglus | azeem: I don't have permission to edit that. |
| 09:18.39 | dooglus | azeem: it's owned by root |
| 09:18.45 | azeem | dooglus: then set it in your ~/.bash* |
| 09:18.55 | azeem | hrm |
| 09:19.05 | dooglus | azeem: I'm not running any shells, so .bash* doesn't get sourced |
| 09:19.12 | azeem | yeah, I see that now |
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| 09:19.45 | dooglus | azeem: I boot into runlevel 2, that runs gdm, which runs xfce-session, or whatever, which runs a panel, which runs sensible-editor. no shells anywhere. |
| 09:20.00 | noderat | How do you fix the pesky ssh bug where when the terminal window is resized the line length is messed up and causes the lines to come back up on themselves making a mess of text |
| 09:20.39 | cahoot | dooglus: .xsession is of no use? |
| 09:20.49 | dooglus | cahoot: I'll try it, thanks. |
| 09:22.55 | dooglus | cahoot: you're right. .xsession is of no use |
| 09:23.01 | liable | noderat: this sint a screen session you are connecting to? |
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| 09:23.38 | dooglus | liable: I think if it was a screen session it would be better |
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| 09:24.00 | cahoot | dooglus: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/344 might be better |
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| 09:24.23 | liable | dooglus: why? |
| 09:24.45 | doublehp | what is the actual equivalent of mkinitrd in etch ? I need to pass --with=<module> --preload raid5 options ... |
| 09:25.09 | dooglus | liable: screen notices when the terminal changes size, and rearranges things, doesn't it? |
| 09:25.27 | liable | dooglus: hrm, doesnt for me. |
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| 09:27.08 | dak | bleh |
| 09:27.08 | liable | dooglus: if i start a session on my laptop and then go to my work box with putty and a crt, i miss the end of lines. in irssi anyway |
| 09:27.30 | doublehp | liable: using screen ? |
| 09:27.30 | Vasistha | dooglus: I think there's a way to request a screen-check-query, but I don't think it usually does so automagically |
| 09:27.37 | liable | doublehp: yeah |
| 09:27.38 | dooglus | liable: it just so happens I am ssh'ed into a box running irssi inside screen right now. |
| 09:28.18 | liable | dooglus: shrug, thats what i have found. |
| 09:28.18 | dooglus | I just made the window bigger and your last utterance changed from being 3 lines long to 2 lines long, properly laid out |
| 09:28.27 | doublehp | liable: you shall resize a bit your putty window, to ensure screen is aware of YOUR size ... I mean, not always make it bigger, but just change size to force update of term infos ... |
| 09:28.50 | aboyousif | guys , what is the best image browser in debian .. is f-spot can work on it ? |
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| 09:29.17 | doublehp | liable: if using screen -rx, then putty HAS TO be bigger than local terminal; note that it is possible to remotly detach the local cession so that you wont need -x even if you forgot detach before leaving home. |
| 09:29.19 | dooglus | aboyousif: I like gqview. I don't understand your "is f-spot can" construction |
| 09:29.20 | cahoot | aboyousif: got your botting problem sorted? |
| 09:29.27 | liable | doublehp: yeah, tried all that, must be doing something wrong i guess. but if i started a new screen session, it was fine |
| 09:29.28 | cahoot | aboyousif: err - booting |
| 09:29.42 | dooglus | liable: "screen -r -d" |
| 09:29.44 | doublehp | liable: when you make putty bigger, do you get EOL ? |
| 09:29.55 | aboyousif | cahoot , yes it does . thanks :) |
| 09:30.11 | aboyousif | dooglus, f-spot is able to work on debian ? |
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| 09:30.24 | liable | the laptop is 1400x1050 the work box is 1026x7whatever it is |
| 09:30.26 | dooglus | aboyousif: I never heard of f-spot |
| 09:30.40 | aboyousif | dooglus, http://www.f-spot.org/Main_Page |
| 09:30.40 | dooglus | !info f-spot |
| 09:30.54 | doublehp | liable: try to resize putty win until you either see "------" at bottom of win, or see things getting resized ... 1st case = term is attached somewhere else; 2nd case = you are the only attached one |
| 09:30.59 | dooglus | aboyousif: there's a package in 'main' called f-spot though |
| 09:31.03 | dpkg | f-spot: (personal photo management application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.1.11-2 (sid), Packaged size: 820 kB, Installed size: 2940 kB |
| 09:31.22 | azeem | f-spot is mono-based, but supposedly very nice |
| 09:31.39 | dooglus | ^--- heheh, he used 'mono' and 'nice' in the same sentence :) |
| 09:31.44 | doublehp | liable: in 2nd case, if you see the "whole cession" but not OEL, then, we can conclude you have a problem with charset compatibility, or not fully compliant term; then, try: export TERM=vt100, or linux, or xterm or other ones |
| 09:31.46 | azeem | dooglus: sure |
| 09:31.56 | liable | doublehp: i fuckd with it for a while, couldnt seem to get it to resixe at all, messed with all the putty shits, dunno, will try again when i go back to work |
| 09:31.57 | aboyousif | azeem, mono is great and has a good apps as well beagle and blam |
| 09:32.00 | azeem | all new cool applications are written in mono |
| 09:32.14 | doublehp | liable: still in this 2nd case, also check if putty encodings are ok. |
| 09:32.17 | aboyousif | dooglus, mono is great |
| 09:32.29 | azeem | anyway, let's not discuss mono here |
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| 09:32.36 | liable | is mono web2.0 compatible? :P |
| 09:33.01 | aboyousif | liable, grrrrr |
| 09:33.04 | sussudio | yeah. once you start discussing mono, syphillis is next. |
| 09:33.08 | dooglus | I tried installing f-spot - "After unpacking 37.9MB of additional disk space will be used". Think I'll stick with gqview... |
| 09:33.09 | doublehp | liable: I gave up putty on the day I discovered XliveCD : its a live CD that starts Xorg in Cygwin, without HDD installation under Windows. Live means ... working without install, not booting it ! |
| 09:33.35 | liable | gqview is nice |
| 09:33.48 | SerajewelKS | dooglus: while gqview is nice, mono has its purposes too |
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| 09:34.16 | dak | . |
| 09:34.18 | liable | doublehp: yeah, i dunno what the work box actually has, but its a dialup connection so its prolly a winmodem |
| 09:34.27 | doublehp | liable: if you find that reliable, then you can choose to install Cygwin+X on HDD, either using the same CD, or taking it from scratch from sites; this way, you inherit all UNIX tools: xterm, ssh, rsync ... what helps a lot tunneling (httptunnels), and X forwarding issues like the one you got today |
| 09:34.39 | dooglus | SerajewelKS: I didn't find any compelling mono apps yet. beagle is OK, but a real hog on this box. |
| 09:34.50 | doublehp | liable: XliveCD is a nice replacement for putty ! whatever dialup or not |
| 09:34.59 | doublehp | what is the actual equivalent of mkinitrd in etch ? I need to pass --with=<module> --preload raid5 options ... |
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| 09:35.20 | SerajewelKS | dooglus: of course not, gtk# API is still stabalizing |
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| 09:35.38 | SerajewelKS | dooglus: and the mono classlib isn't finished, neither for .NET 1.1 nor 2.0 |
| 09:35.43 | Celelibi | hello there |
| 09:36.25 | Celelibi | what happened to secure-testing.debian.net ? |
| 09:36.25 | liable | doublehp: i dont understand, it works inside windows? |
| 09:36.27 | SerajewelKS | dooglus: but i can say with firsthand experience that it makes it really easy to write nice programs, so i expect to see quite a bit of good stuff soon. also see Gtk# on wikipedia, it has a list of stuff using it. |
| 09:36.50 | SerajewelKS | dooglus: or rather the mono article |
| 09:36.54 | doublehp | liable: sure ; dont you know what Cygwin is ? |
| 09:36.58 | driller- | SerajewelKS you are always here speaking, go to the beach |
| 09:37.18 | SerajewelKS | driller-: you wanna pay the plane ticket be my guest |
| 09:37.24 | doublehp | liable: verbatim version even has Gnome ! |
| 09:37.26 | dooglus | SerajewelKS: ok, thanks |
| 09:37.32 | Vasistha | alright, so I've got this port replicator for my laptop here. If I put the laptop on APM suspend, I can hotplug the port replicator, but I can't seem to get it to detect the ethernet port -- which is, incidentally, the primary reason I use the thing at all.. Here's some dmesg output after APM resume: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2788 |
| 09:37.33 | driller- | SerajewelKS where are you |
| 09:37.39 | doublehp | liable: imagine Gnome under Win2k :) |
| 09:37.48 | liable | eww, gnome! |
| 09:38.17 | SerajewelKS | driller-: a place with no beaches within driving distance, why |
| 09:38.17 | doublehp | liable: thats a possibility, which is not in XliveCD :) please, do consider burning this ... |
| 09:38.26 | peterS | driller-: the 'KS' stands for "2000 km from the beach in any direction", but I don't think he lives _here_ anymore |
| 09:38.28 | liable | i think i will stick with putty on the occasions i have spare time to ssh in and irc |
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| 09:38.43 | SerajewelKS | peterS: actually it doesn't |
| 09:39.10 | peterS | SerajewelKS: oh, didn't it mean Overland Park, Kansas or something like that? |
| 09:39.28 | SerajewelKS | peterS: my nick seems to conjure up images of a female living in kansas. neither are true. nor have been to my knowledge... |
| 09:39.37 | doublehp | liable: http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/ , just give it a try ... and if you think there s not enough tools, install it from http://x.cygwin.com/ or http://www.cygwin.com/ |
| 09:39.55 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I could've sworn we'd been through this before and you had formerly lived near KC. I guess my mind really is going |
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| 09:40.13 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i think we went through it before and i told you i was not from kansas, then you forgot =) |
| 09:40.20 | peterS | clearly |
| 09:40.28 | Vasistha | doublehp: is that a windows-runnable live cygwin cd? |
| 09:40.36 | doublehp | Vasistha: y |
| 09:40.40 | SerajewelKS | peterS: apparently i am either really good or really bad at choosing nicks |
| 09:41.05 | Vasistha | doublehp: dude, that is so cool, I'm like so there ... (to slip into 'valley girl' for a moment) |
| 09:41.08 | doublehp | Vasistha: with Xorg support, and ssh and xterm ... allows better X importing than with putty |
| 09:41.28 | Vasistha | doublehp: Xorg? now that's maybe a little over the top... but heck, why not, I guess |
| 09:41.32 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: yeah it's so damn cool to run a nice FOSS environment inside of a proprietary, closed environment |
| 09:41.56 | SerajewelKS | </rant> |
| 09:41.58 | doublehp | Vasistha: the only interest of that CD is to get Xorg on windows, to allow full X11 forwarding ! |
| 09:42.50 | Vasistha | doublehp: oh... hmm, but people have made a cygwin livecd... I'd want it just for bash, etc, when fixing f'ing windows problems |
| 09:42.57 | doublehp | Vasistha: then, putty can be used for tunneling, but since the cd already has ssh, putty is getting useless ... useless if you have de CD of course, cause when you forget the CD at home, putty remains a fast alternative :) |
| 09:43.09 | doublehp | Vasistha: you can :) |
| 09:43.23 | doublehp | Vasistha: bash as replacement for DOS :) |
| 09:43.36 | doublehp | Vasistha: for daily use, consider full install :) |
| 09:43.40 | Vasistha | doublehp: yeah, I guess there's no harm in writing the full 650 MB to the CD |
| 09:43.50 | peterS | geez, who runs DOS anymore? I thought the world had at least finished converting to Windows 2000 |
| 09:43.53 | Vasistha | doublehp: happily, I no longer use windows daily :-) |
| 09:43.57 | doublehp | Vasistha: I am trying to set up Cygwin only for rsync backups :) |
| 09:44.23 | doublehp | peterS: most advanced things under WinXP are DOS scripts ! |
| 09:44.50 | peterS | doublehp: oh, scripts for cmd.exe you mean. that's not DOS, it just presents a vaguely similar UI |
| 09:44.53 | azeem | please consider taking discussions about WinXP elsewhere |
| 09:44.57 | doublehp | peterS: like IP stack re installation, formating, and special tasks for Perl or SQL servers |
| 09:45.12 | doublehp | peterS: it is DOS 7.0 ! |
| 09:45.19 | peterS | it is not. it is also not on-topic here. |
| 09:45.25 | peterS | as azeem has so kindly reminded us |
| 09:45.37 | driller- | anyone uses norton ghost? I made an .gho image of my c: partition that has winxp installed, now I can format my whole drive, copy the image into c: and I will have my winxp back, configured and working ? with whole drivers and programs ? |
| 09:45.38 | doublehp | azeem: we were chatting Cygwin, but right, Cygwin is not Debian :) |
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| 09:45.45 | Vasistha | well anyway... I'd still like to get this ethernet driver working on my laptop. any ideas? |
| 09:46.01 | Vasistha | driller-: ask #windows they're pretty helpful, actually |
| 09:46.06 | SerajewelKS | driller-: norton ghost is not packaged in debian |
| 09:46.15 | SerajewelKS | driller-: and therefore is not supported in #debian |
| 09:46.46 | wojci | driller-, I use dd for copying patitions. :P |
| 09:47.02 | peterS | wojci: use cp instead, easier to remember the syntax |
| 09:47.09 | driller- | linux cannot write in ntfs, how can I use dd ? |
| 09:47.18 | SerajewelKS | wojci: or partimage, which has the benefit of only copying used clusters |
| 09:47.29 | doublehp | driller-: dd is lower level than ntfs |
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| 09:47.35 | wojci | peterS, You use cp to copy a whole partition, how exacly? |
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| 09:47.42 | Vasistha | wojci, driller- : partimage might be more appropriate |
| 09:47.44 | peterS | wojci: cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb5 |
| 09:47.56 | Vasistha | peterS: no shit... wow. |
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| 09:48.02 | doublehp | driller-: linux as two different drivers for writing NTFS; the one in vanilla Linux is unstable; the stable one shall be installed manually |
| 09:48.09 | wojci | peterS, That would only copy the device, not the contents. :P |
| 09:48.17 | peterS | wojci: have you tried it? |
| 09:48.17 | SerajewelKS | wojci: no |
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| 09:48.28 | doublehp | wojci: thats harsh :) I do prefer dd :) |
| 09:48.34 | SerajewelKS | wojci: try 'cd /dev/hdc /tmp/cdimage.iso' |
| 09:48.43 | SerajewelKS | wojci: cp too |
| 09:48.46 | doublehp | wojci: I may ever prefer cat over cp :) |
| 09:49.08 | doublehp | wojci: no, to copy device file, you need to specify that (cp -d ? ) |
| 09:49.48 | Youx | hi |
| 09:50.08 | SerajewelKS | i hope to have much use for cp and dd in three days when my 250gb SATA II drive and controller card show up |
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| 09:50.10 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: that doesn't work for me, cd /dev/hda9 /boot/grub |
| 09:50.24 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: i meant 'cp', not 'cd' |
| 09:50.36 | wojci | SerajewelKS, I have no time for such experiments right now, do you have any source for this information? Like a howto or such? |
| 09:50.37 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: oh, ah |
| 09:50.38 | doublehp | Vasistha: wth talking cp to backup partitions ??? |
| 09:50.40 | liable | SerajewelKS: what card you get? |
| 09:50.41 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: and i really wouldn't use /boot/grub as a target |
| 09:50.54 | SerajewelKS | liable: i don't recall exactly... mhall helped me pick one |
| 09:50.56 | Youx | does anyone know if i have to create /etc/sysconfig/syslog (doesn't exist here), or if it has been move to another location? |
| 09:51.02 | SerajewelKS | liable: tornado or somesuch.. starts with T |
| 09:51.02 | Youx | *moved |
| 09:51.05 | doublehp | copying device file to directory now ? |
| 09:51.06 | peterS | SerajewelKS: it'll be a directory so you'll end up with /boot/grub/hda9. which would be amusing. |
| 09:51.11 | liable | right |
| 09:51.28 | SerajewelKS | peterS: true... haven't used grub in so long, forgot it was a dir |
| 09:51.41 | Vasistha | actually what I would end up with is a full root partition |
| 09:51.59 | peterS | doublehp: why? it's simple and straightforward. I wish I could get it out of people's heads that you have to learn 'dd' and its esoteric syntax just for simple stuff like this. |
| 09:52.04 | SerajewelKS | doublehp: that's like deciding not to use a car because it will take you places you want to go |
| 09:52.28 | wojci | peterS, Some people have been using dd for ages. :) |
| 09:52.29 | Vasistha | peterS: what about error-checking, etc., that occurs when using cd reading tools? |
| 09:52.35 | peterS | SerajewelKS: no, it's like deciding not to use a car because someone told you that if you go to a hardware store you'll need a pickup truck |
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| 09:52.57 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yeah that's probably better |
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| 09:53.02 | peterS | wojci: yes, and it's been unnecessary for those same years. cp has done just as good a job as dd for these simple cases, for as long as I can remember |
| 09:53.08 | doublehp | peterS: cp may not act the same depending on defaults settings, kernel, system, and architecture ! cp IS NOT A GOOD TOOL |
| 09:53.19 | SerajewelKS | peterS: at any rate i do use dd for imaging of only because you can send it a signal and it will tell you how far it is |
| 09:53.30 | SerajewelKS | peterS: s/of/if/ |
| 09:53.35 | doublehp | peterS: especially, I had surprises with cp when copying project build script from Linux to SunOS |
| 09:53.36 | peterS | doublehp: instead of vague FUD, can you give me an example of where cp will fail that 'dd if=foo of=bar' will succeed? |
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| 09:54.20 | doublehp | peterS: raw disk ! had the case yesterday ! |
| 09:54.21 | peterS | SerajewelKS: ahhh, in that case I recommend pv. it's excellent. pv < source > destination. gives you continuous feedback on data transfer rates |
| 09:55.04 | SerajewelKS | peterS: oh, nifty.. been looking for such a tool for a while |
| 09:55.05 | peterS | SerajewelKS: you can insert pv into pipelines too, in fact that's what it's really good for. pv < sourcefile | ssh somehost 'cat > destfile'. sort of like scp but with a bar graph |
| 09:55.11 | doublehp | peterS: cp will also fail on some and various MD device files where size of device have not been fixed ... |
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| 09:55.33 | peterS | doublehp: and 'dd if=foo of=bar' works in those cases? |
| 09:55.36 | SerajewelKS | peterS: or we could do 'cat sourcefile | pv | cat > destfile'.. love overuses of cat |
| 09:55.50 | SerajewelKS | peterS: 'cat foo | less' has to be my favorite stupidity |
| 09:56.18 | SerajewelKS | peterS: one i'm guilty of on a regular basis, sad to say |
| 09:56.21 | peterS | SerajewelKS: yes, but if you use cat before the pv, then pv doesn't have the ability to read the source file size, so it can't give you completion information (ETA, percentage transferred, etc.) but only the amount and speed of data so far |
| 09:56.37 | peterS | SerajewelKS: _this_ is one reason not to overuse cat. it deprives 'pv' of information which it can put to good use |
| 09:56.43 | doublehp | peterS: no, bs and count are of course required to limit side effects ! thats why I ALWAYS use dd and manually specify those two, and have less problems than 2 years ago when not doing this systematically |
| 09:56.44 | peterS | SerajewelKS: (try it both ways, you'll see what I mean) |
| 09:56.45 | SerajewelKS | peterS: uhm, wouldnot 'pv < foo > bar' be the same thing? |
| 09:57.02 | SerajewelKS | peterS: unless you meant to say 'pv foo > bar' |
| 09:57.32 | peterS | SerajewelKS: because if you use 'pv < foo' then it sees foo as an _open file_, not as an _open pipe_. with an open file it can use fstat() to determine the file size. with an input pipe from cat, of course it can't. |
| 09:57.48 | doublehp | SerajewelKS: try to spread out "badblocks -svw /dev/hda 4096", or "cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp0" ... gives funny results :) |
| 09:57.50 | peterS | SerajewelKS: seriously, play with it a bit, you'll see that it can tell the difference |
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| 09:58.00 | SerajewelKS | peterS: doesn't < tell the shell to open the file and pipe to stdin? |
| 09:58.17 | doublehp | SerajewelKS: "hexdump -C /dev/uradndom" also gives good results :) |
| 09:58.30 | peterS | SerajewelKS: nope. it tells the shell to open the file and _pass the open file descriptor into stdin_. that's different from piping input in |
| 09:58.32 | SerajewelKS | doublehp: why are you telling me this... |
| 09:58.55 | doublehp | SerajewelKS: there are less famous stupid things on earth ... |
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| 09:59.04 | SerajewelKS | peterS: weird, so how do programs work that disregard this |
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| 09:59.22 | SerajewelKS | peterS: e.g. that just truck through stdin... they seem to work with < |
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| 09:59.33 | doublehp | SerajewelKS: some apps wont read stdin |
| 09:59.48 | SerajewelKS | doublehp: yes, and i am of course talking about the ones that do |
| 09:59.49 | peterS | SerajewelKS: shrug. if a program calls fstat(STDIN_FILENO), one of two things happens: either it gets a bunch of info returned about the file which is open, or it gets "sorry, stdin isn't a file, it's a pipe" |
| 10:00.02 | doublehp | SerajewelKS: then, '<' should do |
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| 10:00.07 | peterS | SerajewelKS: if a program doesn't call fstat(), generally it can't tell much difference between the two cases |
| 10:00.18 | doublehp | SerajewelKS: I also often use cat file | app |
| 10:00.19 | omry | any apr-proxy dev here by any chance? I think I bumped into some serious problems with it. |
| 10:00.29 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ah, so it's not so much that it passes the filehandle through stdin, it actually replaces stdin with the filehandle, to some degree |
| 10:00.48 | SerajewelKS | doublehp: your comments tell me you have no idea what the hell peterS and i are talking about |
| 10:00.56 | doublehp | SerajewelKS: herescripts '<<' are a bit more customed ... alternate way to redir input |
| 10:01.08 | peterS | SerajewelKS: exactly. stdin is an open file, if you use <. if you use |, it's an open pipe. if you use neither, it's an open terminal device. |
| 10:01.32 | SerajewelKS | peterS: never knew that |
| 10:01.58 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i just figured it was always a pipe to the shell and the shell did whatever shit it needed to |
| 10:02.06 | dak | wow |
| 10:02.10 | peterS | SerajewelKS: btw: this is one reason that certain "useless use of cat" are not useless. sometimes someone will actually want to test both the file and the pipe cases of stdin, in case a program is likely to behave differently for both. then you might want 'cat foo | myprogram' to test the pipe case |
| 10:02.11 | dak | 10671 emails |
| 10:02.18 | dak | hate cron at times |
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| 10:02.35 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yeah for testing it makes sense |
| 10:02.59 | peterS | SerajewelKS: very few programs bother with the difference between the two, but a few do. like pv. (: |
| 10:03.01 | SerajewelKS | peterS: something new to blog about |
| 10:03.26 | ktwilight | anyone into MMORPG? |
| 10:03.41 | liable | wtf is it? |
| 10:03.54 | SerajewelKS | ktwilight: i don't think you can be "into MMORPG" |
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| 10:04.05 | ktwilight | .... |
| 10:04.06 | SerajewelKS | ktwilight: you can certainly like /certain/ MMORPGs |
| 10:04.08 | SlayerXP | it's what 13-18 year olds do instead of meeting real people |
| 10:04.22 | peterS | MMORPG is massive multiplayer [something] role-playing game. like everquest or whatever. |
| 10:04.24 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP: and those of us >18 too |
| 10:04.28 | liable | hrm, so its like irc? :P |
| 10:04.30 | cahoot | and eventualy turn up in #debian |
| 10:04.30 | SlayerXP | it's where they erroneously learn than "noob" is a word. |
| 10:04.33 | SerajewelKS | peterS: [something]=online |
| 10:04.37 | peterS | right |
| 10:04.46 | SlayerXP | s/than/that/ |
| 10:04.49 | peterS | liable: you are in a twisty maze of n00b channels, all different |
| 10:04.50 | ktwilight | ... |
| 10:05.10 | SerajewelKS | liable: IRC is Massively Multiplayer Online Notepad |
| 10:05.24 | ktwilight | it's more like MUD actually... |
| 10:05.27 | liable | peterS: like #ubuntu #fedora and #suse? :) |
| 10:05.36 | SerajewelKS | ktwilight: without the dungeon |
| 10:05.39 | liable | i still dont understand |
| 10:05.43 | peterS | IRC isn't Massive Multiplayer Online Karaoke? dang it. |
| 10:05.44 | ktwilight | well, yes. and add the graphics. |
| 10:05.46 | SerajewelKS | ktwilight: depending on whether or not abrotman is here |
| 10:06.03 | dak | be nice if eq or WOW was ported to linux |
| 10:06.10 | ktwilight | am looking for a good one for linux to get some relaxation off my work. any recommendations SerajewelKS? |
| 10:06.28 | SerajewelKS | dak: i'm holding out for a guild wars port to linux, or wine support for dx9 |
| 10:06.43 | dak | wine is going to support dx9 ?? |
| 10:06.53 | peterS | wine still doesn't support dx9 ?? |
| 10:06.54 | dak | that transgame celdgea? crap blows |
| 10:06.58 | SerajewelKS | dak: they have almost complete DX8 |
| 10:07.03 | dak | wine dont support dx at all |
| 10:07.03 | liable | online karaoki? whats the world coming to? |
| 10:07.05 | dak | last i checked |
| 10:07.05 | SerajewelKS | dak: cedega |
| 10:07.15 | SerajewelKS | dak: you checked a few years ago then |
| 10:07.19 | peterS | liable: you know you want to |
| 10:07.22 | dak | i can never get the cedega to work |
| 10:07.24 | liable | heh |
| 10:07.29 | dak | yeah i dont use wine its pointless |
| 10:07.42 | liable | peterS: you wanna hear me sing? i think not! :) |
| 10:07.43 | dak | like what windows apps do ya really need anyway |
| 10:07.44 | SerajewelKS | dak: wine runs FFVIII fine, if you use software rendering |
| 10:07.54 | dak | whats ffviii ? |
| 10:07.55 | Vasistha | so I'd like to get this network card working. I've got a dmesg output here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2788 ... anyone care to help? |
| 10:08.02 | SerajewelKS | dak: final fantasy 8 |
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| 10:08.10 | dak | what kinda card Vasistha |
| 10:08.25 | peterS | liable: I'm not sure it _can_ be worse than the R&B karaoke that comes through my apartment walls on occasion. it's bad but what makes it _really_ bad is that whichever of my neighbors does this always picks one of the same 2 or 3 songs |
| 10:08.27 | Vasistha | dak: it's built into a laptop port replicator, I believe it's an intel card |
| 10:08.39 | SerajewelKS | peterS: afaik dx9 is still pretty flaky in wine |
| 10:08.59 | Vasistha | dak: it works on bootup, but I'm trying to get it to recognize when the laptop comes back from APM suspend |
| 10:08.59 | dak | have any of u got wow or eq to work in wine ? |
| 10:09.12 | liable | peterS: just thank god that they arent 'boot scooters' |
| 10:09.23 | peterS | wha..? |
| 10:09.28 | dak | Vasistha: uhm you should google around prolly will tell ya |
| 10:09.35 | SerajewelKS | dak: btw you might want to try #winehq with such questions, they would know better |
| 10:09.43 | liable | Vasistha: so unload modules at suspend, check the hibernate package |
| 10:09.54 | dak | yeah well you guys sounded like you know your wine :p so figured just ask |
| 10:10.06 | Vasistha | liable: hibernate, huh? alright... |
| 10:10.07 | liable | peterS: you know, that line dancing stuff. |
| 10:10.16 | dak | and i dont like games all that much thats why i dont have any windows pcs |
| 10:10.16 | SerajewelKS | dak: and Vasistha figured we know network cards... don't redirect others if you don't want to be redirected |
| 10:10.21 | Vasistha | I was actually more looking for something to run on-the-fly as a hardware detection tool |
| 10:10.34 | liable | Vasistha: its got conf files to let you unload modules, services and shit |
| 10:10.41 | dak | liable: this is what im saying.... |
| 10:10.52 | peterS | liable: ah those. I actually find most country music more palatable than most R&B. though I suppose it's just as susceptible to overplaying |
| 10:11.04 | dak | SerajewelKS: you sure had alot to say about wine till you redirected me |
| 10:11.17 | dak | too bad people cant read howto's eh ? |
| 10:11.27 | SerajewelKS | dak: i don't have eq or wow.. not a lot to answer with =/ |
| 10:11.54 | Vasistha | I should clarify, I realize I've been vague -- the port replicator was not connected on bootup. I can connect the replicator while on APM suspend, and it recognizes everything except the ethernet ... so I'm looking for a detection tool I guess? |
| 10:11.58 | dak | non free software blows :p |
| 10:12.09 | SerajewelKS | dak: software in general blows up |
| 10:12.21 | dak | Vasistha: you check the bios setting, like the wake up after power off |
| 10:12.21 | SerajewelKS | dak: X.org crashed on me today... again... |
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| 10:12.25 | dak | dunno mylaptop has it |
| 10:12.32 | Vasistha | wak: well, it works in windows ;-) |
| 10:12.34 | dak | i havent had x.org crash on me once |
| 10:12.41 | dak | nvidia |
| 10:12.43 | Vasistha | darn it, you'r dak, not wak |
| 10:12.48 | liable | Vasistha: your doing apm suspend? |
| 10:13.00 | Vasistha | liable: yeah ... happily, it works! |
| 10:13.08 | SerajewelKS | dak: it crashes when i use eclipse, or periodically when switching to a VT. if i avoid those it will run forever. |
| 10:13.14 | liable | Vasistha: then whats the problem? |
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| 10:13.35 | dak | wait like you switch back to console from x and it crashes ? |
| 10:13.37 | SerajewelKS | dak: not frequently, maybe every few weeks. but enough that i get nervous when switching to a VT with dvdrip running |
| 10:13.51 | dak | never have that problem |
| 10:13.53 | dak | hrm |
| 10:13.54 | SerajewelKS | dak: rarely. but enough for me to notice a pattern. |
| 10:14.15 | Vasistha | liable: turn computer on, no port replicator connected. boot linux. play. go to APM suspend. Connect port replicator. APM resume. No ethernet hardware detection (though everything else gets detected, e.g. usb, sound, video) |
| 10:14.23 | dak | last time i had x do that was years ago |
| 10:14.28 | SerajewelKS | at any rate i'm getting drowsy, so later |
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| 10:14.51 | liable | Vasistha: i dunno what you can do about it with apm |
| 10:14.53 | dak | some times tho it locks up if i switch from x to a vt then to x again real fast like it just black screen but i can still type in a open tty |
| 10:14.56 | peterS | see ya, SerajewelKS |
| 10:15.00 | dak | and shutdown or magic sysq |
| 10:15.15 | liable | Vasistha: acpi is a different beast though |
| 10:15.34 | Vasistha | liable: well, I don't know that it's inherently an APM issue at all -- I just need to induce the kernel to do a hardware detection process |
| 10:15.37 | dak | isnt apm not supported anymore or is it acpi, im drunk/stoned |
| 10:15.59 | Vasistha | liable: might this be something that would be possible with acpi, but not with apm? |
| 10:16.04 | dak | one of them is being phased out if i recall |
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| 10:16.05 | liable | Vasistha: ok, i know nothing about apm stuff, so wish you luck :) |
| 10:16.21 | aboyousif | liable, bad news there is no f-spot for etch :( |
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| 10:16.27 | aboyousif | dooglus, |
| 10:16.29 | dak | Vasistha: what kinda laptop |
| 10:16.34 | Vasistha | dak: yeah, apm is pretty outdated |
| 10:17.03 | Vasistha | dak: Compaq Armada 1750 (from 1999) ... won't do alsa, or acpi with linux ... although I think it may use acpi with windows, though I'm not sure |
| 10:17.22 | liable | hrm 1999 doubt it does acpi |
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| 10:17.24 | azeem | acpi in 1999 was shite |
| 10:17.26 | dak | have u looked up the laptop modle on google? |
| 10:17.28 | Vasistha | I think it does have an acpi bios, but the implementation is really dodgy |
| 10:17.29 | azeem | if present at all |
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| 10:17.39 | dak | alot of laptops have howto/faq sites how to get the onboard stuff working |
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| 10:18.01 | azeem | the howtos from 1999 might be useless with todays kernels/technologies, though |
| 10:18.02 | Vasistha | dak: oh yeah, I've spent lots and lots of time. I have several bookmarks to "linux on compaq armada 1750" and have followed many such instructions and sent in suggestions of my own... |
| 10:18.17 | liable | Vasistha: thing is, apm is bios controlled so i dont think theres much you do about it |
| 10:18.51 | aboyousif | azeem, any idea of installing f-spot on etch ? |
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| 10:19.05 | Vasistha | liable: yeah, that's true... so you don't think that the kernel is just not doing what it needs to do to detect the card that suddenly appears? |
| 10:19.10 | finett | hi. I am trying to install php5 on a sarge system. So I added sources for the testing branch to apt. Now apt-get -t testing php5 would work quite fine, but.. |
| 10:19.16 | azeem | aboyousif: no |
| 10:19.17 | liable | aboyousif: try gqview |
| 10:19.30 | liable | or whatever its actually called.. :P |
| 10:19.43 | finett | php5 requires a more recent libc6. Doesn't this basically change my system into a testing system? |
| 10:20.00 | azeem | f-spot is on top of all the rest, recommending inferior stuff doesn't help :) |
| 10:20.05 | liable | Vasistha: unfortunately, i am not that smart as to even be able to guess whats going on.. :) |
| 10:20.06 | aboyousif | liable, ok |
| 10:20.26 | Vasistha | liable: you're not a kernel hacker? darn it ;-) |
| 10:20.32 | liable | bah, i tried fspot, thought it blew :P |
| 10:20.44 | azeem | liable: the guy who made the Tux mascot wrote it! |
| 10:20.48 | liable | its nice to be human :) |
| 10:20.54 | azeem | anyway, I'm off, laters |
| 10:21.10 | liable | azeem: choices choices, its what lifes all about :) |
| 10:21.25 | peterS | Vasistha: oh as for hotplug, the kernel is supposed to be able to deal with hotplug controllers and fire off events to be interpreted by the right parties and everything |
| 10:21.27 | Vasistha | finett: yeah, it's pretty difficult to run a stable+testing mixed system... a great deal of the testing packages require newer libraries. Check backports.org |
| 10:21.39 | peterS | Vasistha: don't know why this fails for the ethernet chip |
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| 10:22.42 | finett | Vasistha: is this a trustworthy source? :) |
| 10:22.49 | Vasistha | peterS: I would kind of expect that... is there any other log or listing I should inspect aside from that dmesg I put in the pastebin? |
| 10:22.49 | dak | does anyone still play civctp? cuz i noticed on sid it crashes |
| 10:22.54 | dak | used to work fine on woody |
| 10:22.57 | Vasistha | finett: what, backports.org? yeah |
| 10:23.01 | Vasistha | !backports |
| 10:23.01 | dpkg | somebody said backports was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 10:23.08 | dak | now it just segfaults |
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| 10:23.19 | finett | good, that helps a lot. thanks Vasistha. |
| 10:23.31 | peterS | Vasistha: I'm way behind the curve understanding the linux 2.6 + udev hotplug system |
| 10:23.39 | roxy_ | apt-get install udev- yaird gives me dpkg returned an error code ? |
| 10:23.40 | Vasistha | peterS: well, for one, I'm on 2.4 ... |
| 10:24.04 | peterS | Vasistha: ahhhhh. in that case I'm surprised any of your devices are hotplug-capable, except of course things like USB and PCMCIA |
| 10:24.20 | peterS | Vasistha: it was only in 2.6 that all this stuff came under a central umbrella of a hotplug subsystem |
| 10:24.35 | Vasistha | peterS: ooh... so I might actually be able to make it work in 2.6 more easily than 2.4, huh? |
| 10:25.21 | Vasistha | peterS: it's kind of a "warm-plug" anyway -- only done while on apm suspend |
| 10:25.48 | liable | roxy_: hrm, did you fix your problem from last night? |
| 10:26.16 | Vasistha | peterS: but I suspect that a lot of the stuff is really simple... audio, vga, usb all have controllers that are on my mainboard, whereas the ethernet is a completely new chip built into the port replicator |
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| 10:27.13 | peterS | Vasistha: yes, I think it's quite likely that hotplug stuff in general will work much better in 2.6 than in 2.4 for you. |
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| 10:27.22 | peterS | Vasistha: are you on sarge (debian 3.1), or unstable, or testing? |
| 10:28.02 | liable | what exaclty is a prt replicator? like a docking station? |
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| 10:28.15 | Vasistha | peterS: I'm on sarge ... moving to 2.6 is a substantial project, but as I've been hanging out here on irc, I've ticked off several reasons to try 2.6 again |
| 10:28.37 | iturk | hi there in debian the mouse (my touchpad from the laptop) is very fast i would like to decrease the velocity of the mouse movement !! how can i do it ?? |
| 10:28.41 | dak | hrm |
| 10:28.41 | roxy_ | liable: no, someone told me to: "apt-get install udev- yaird" then "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image..." but apparently udev is uninstalled but yaird is not installed :-( |
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| 10:29.18 | liable | roxy_: what was your original problem again? |
| 10:29.29 | liable | roxy_: no dev when booting? |
| 10:29.51 | roxy_ | liable, yes, cannot mount /dev/hdd1 |
| 10:30.17 | liable | roxy_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2006/06/msg00013.html |
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| 10:30.22 | Vasistha | iturk: if you happen to be in kde, kcontrol > peripherals > mouse or touchpad has quite a few controls, I can help you through them if you like. If not kde... it may be an X.org or Xfree config issue |
| 10:30.53 | roxy_ | liable,: I aptitude install yaird and it worked now |
| 10:31.10 | liable | roxy_: so whats the problem? |
| 10:31.17 | iturk | Vasistha: even to select your name its very difficult :: i dont have kde :: so i must configure something in the X files |
| 10:32.34 | Vasistha | iturk: select my name? You might be better off using tab-completion! But no matter... there should be a configurator in any windowing system, actually, I just know kde myself. What are you using? gnome? |
| 10:32.35 | liable | whats a port replicator????!!! you fuxorz!! |
| 10:32.43 | liable | :P |
| 10:33.00 | iturk | Vasistha: fluxbox |
| 10:33.01 | liable | !annoy bob2 |
| 10:33.01 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:33.05 | Vasistha | liable: oh. yeah. like a docking station. I think it's a more kosher name |
| 10:33.13 | liable | ah |
| 10:33.16 | roxy_ | liable: not sure I still have a problem, I am rebooting... |
| 10:33.31 | iturk | Vasistha: i am looking to XF86Config-4 |
| 10:33.46 | Vasistha | !drxx |
| 10:33.47 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 10:34.01 | action09 | hi all |
| 10:34.02 | Vasistha | iturk: try running that ^^^ |
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| 10:34.36 | iturk | in touchpad identifier there is some velocity parameter they must be the one's |
| 10:35.12 | iturk | there is min-speed | max-speed | acellarator-factor |
| 10:35.45 | liable | iturk: google synaptic and xfree or something, theres an app or extra configs for touchpad sensitivity sgits |
| 10:35.49 | Vasistha | iturk: ...looking through my own XF86Config-4 I'm not seeing anything... people in this chan usually discourage modifying the file by hand, and I don't actually know the right params |
| 10:35.50 | action09 | is flash player 8 available in Sid ? i mean can i install it from Plug-in Player for Linux on flash website? |
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| 10:36.14 | Vasistha | action09: I don't think so -- have you checked macromedia's website for flash 8 availability for linux? |
| 10:36.24 | ootput | hi guys, are any of you using xen? |
| 10:36.32 | action09 | nop just the debian wiki /0\ |
| 10:36.34 | liable | action09: dont think its available for linux yet (last time i checkd ~1 1/2 months ago) |
| 10:36.44 | Vasistha | ootput: just ask your question, and if someone can help, we will |
| 10:36.45 | action09 | ok thx |
| 10:36.56 | iturk | liable: i can only find one for kde |
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| 10:37.26 | iturk | liable: ksynaptics should be the one to install in this case |
| 10:37.36 | ootput | does a xen installation (aptitude install xen) require mandatory kernel changes? |
| 10:37.42 | liable | iturk: i havent actually messed with it, but know theres some things for it (i use the trackpoint on my lappie) |
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| 10:38.09 | liable | ootput: would imagine that apt would tell you |
| 10:38.47 | Vasistha | iturk: http://linuxreviews.org/man/xset/ -- but yeah, you should get the synaptics driver ... I'll get the package, just a sec |
| 10:39.34 | Vasistha | iturk: package name is xfree86-driver-synaptics and there are great instructions around for configuring either by hand or with a graphical tool |
| 10:40.40 | iturk | Vasistha: i have it already installed |
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| 10:41.41 | iturk | Vasistha: which are application names for configuring touchpad that the driver brings ?! |
| 10:41.44 | Vasistha | iturk: it may need to be activated... there should be a section in XF86Config-4 that includes lines like LeftEdge TopEdge FingerLow |
| 10:42.11 | Vasistha | iturk: ...and that section in XF86Config-4 might be commented out... I assume a gui tool would set those things up for you |
| 10:42.21 | liable | !search synaptics sarge |
| 10:42.53 | iturk | so the driver synaptics has to be taked out |
| 10:43.06 | iturk | or just some lines should be commented |
| 10:43.15 | Vasistha | iturk: also I'm not sure if you have to do something weird to get it loaded as a kernel module or something... anyway, looks like ksynaptics is the only sarge gui tool |
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| 10:44.03 | littleball | hello, what software can be used to broadcast emails? i have to send more than 3000 emails to my customers. |
| 10:44.26 | SlayerXP | littleball: mailman |
| 10:44.48 | SlayerXP | littleball: though your customers are unlikely to be pleased at getting 3000 emails each. |
| 10:44.57 | Vasistha | SlayerXP: hahaa |
| 10:45.31 | Vasistha | okay, I really just need to go to bed. g'night. good luck, iturk ... hope you can get this resolved! |
| 10:45.42 | littleball | haha |
| 10:45.49 | iturk | Vasistha: thanks |
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| 10:45.51 | iturk | i will |
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| 10:49.53 | tapas | i wonder what broke my autotools |
| 10:50.11 | tapas | in some autotool'ed packages, when i run boostrap i get an unusable ./configure |
| 10:50.18 | tapas | and consequently unusable makefile |
| 10:50.36 | liable | hrm, may be the package? |
| 10:50.38 | peterS | tapas: could be several things. perhaps you didn't pay very close attention to which version of automake upstream was using |
| 10:50.47 | peterS | tapas: (there's a _reason_ several versions of automake are packaged in debian) |
| 10:50.53 | tapas | peterS: i tried all installed ones with galternatives |
| 10:50.58 | peterS | tapas: or it could be that you're using unstable and your package isn't ready for autoconf 2.60 |
| 10:51.06 | tapas | peterS: it ran on other people's debian boxes though with 1.9.6 |
| 10:51.20 | tapas | i think it even ran ok on my second debian unstable box |
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| 10:51.23 | tapas | lemme recheck |
| 10:51.39 | peterS | (2.60 made a few changes that broke a few packages which, apparently, the autoconf people say are bugs in those packages) |
| 10:51.49 | tapas | hm |
| 10:51.50 | liable | as they would :) |
| 10:52.14 | peterS | liable: well, I like to think most debian maintainers take responsibility for honest breakage in their own packages. (: not all do, of course |
| 10:52.28 | tapas | i still got 2.59 installed, too |
| 10:52.50 | peterS | tapas: what exact version? 'apt-cache policy autoconf' will tell |
| 10:52.53 | liable | peterS: yeah, i am playing devils advocate as usual :) |
| 10:53.12 | tapas | 2.59.cvs.2006.06.05-1 |
| 10:53.26 | peterS | tapas: yeah, that's the 2.60 prerelease |
| 10:53.31 | tapas | this is not my own package btw,but an older umaintained project [specimen] |
| 10:53.36 | peterS | the one which has been causing problems |
| 10:53.40 | tapas | i'll try downgrading |
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| 10:55.21 | tapas | ah damn |
| 10:55.28 | tapas | doesn't seem to be possible |
| 10:56.04 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any way to kick all users connected to a machine at once? |
| 10:56.06 | tapas | this stuff is waaay to mysterious for me |
| 10:56.22 | tapas | this debian box runs for three years |
| 10:56.31 | tapas | this is the first problem i really don't know what to do about |
| 10:56.45 | liable | hid3: yes, 'halt' should do it :P |
| 10:57.13 | peterS | tapas: get in touch with the author of the program and mention the autoconf incompatibility and see if they plan to do anything about it |
| 10:57.21 | hid3 | liable: no no.. :-) isn't there any other way to do that? |
| 10:57.26 | tapas | peterS: i tried a different program, too [ogre3d] |
| 10:57.31 | tapas | and it shows the same behaviour |
| 10:57.39 | tapas | the devs don't know either |
| 10:57.50 | liable | hid3: not all at once, you need to kill there login shells |
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| 10:58.10 | hid3 | and if not at once, how can I do that? |
| 10:58.44 | peterS | tapas: well, see bug #368502 I guess, for more information |
| 10:59.14 | tapas | ah, it broke on my other box,too |
| 10:59.16 | tapas | peterS: thanks |
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| 10:59.32 | liable | hid3: check ps and kill there shells, others may know a better way, but thats it as far as i know |
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| 10:59.55 | hid3 | thanks. |
| 10:59.58 | liable | hid3: what do you really want to do? |
| 11:00.05 | tapas | peterS: ok, then how do i downgrade? |
| 11:00.06 | liable | why would you want to? |
| 11:00.29 | peterS | tapas: if you still have an older version of autoconf_*.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/, just install that with 'dpkg -i' |
| 11:00.34 | hid3 | well, some itiots left their ssh sessions open in the office, and now it is a weekend.. |
| 11:00.35 | tapas | peterS: ah ok |
| 11:00.39 | hid3 | *idiots |
| 11:00.41 | peterS | tapas: if not, pull one down from http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 11:00.58 | tapas | peterS: nah, i don't.. |
| 11:00.59 | tapas | hmm |
| 11:01.03 | tapas | ok |
| 11:01.13 | tapas | peterS: you're too fast for me. i lag :) thanks again |
| 11:01.27 | liable | hid3: carefull, they may have screen sessions open for a reason. |
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| 11:01.41 | hid3 | screen is not installed there :P |
| 11:01.48 | hid3 | actually, it is removed.. |
| 11:01.52 | redblades | Hey hey |
| 11:02.04 | liable | !moo |
| 11:02.04 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 11:03.15 | liable | although, i guess a screen sesiion isnt a ssh session anyway.. /slap liable |
| 11:03.42 | tapas | peterS: hmm, there's no files on that server it seems. or maybe i'm too stupid to find it |
| 11:03.49 | tapas | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/a/autoconf-archive/binary-i386/ |
| 11:03.53 | tapas | [i.e.] |
| 11:04.16 | tapas | http://snapshot.debian.net/package/autoconf |
| 11:04.18 | tapas | ah there :) |
| 11:04.20 | tapas | sorry for thenoise |
| 11:04.27 | Youpi | "Ask your administrator to unlock the parental locker." |
| 11:04.58 | liable | Youpi: we cant help you with that :P |
| 11:05.11 | Youpi | argh :( |
| 11:05.21 | Youpi | even on debian sarge ? |
| 11:05.22 | Youpi | :P |
| 11:05.25 | liable | no pr0n for you! |
| 11:05.52 | Youpi | take care, now parental filters also censor hacking sites |
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| 11:06.21 | liable | no bot scripts for you either |
| 11:06.42 | Youpi | yes, life is unfair. |
| 11:07.15 | redblades | I'm having quite a few issues, but I'll start with the most pressing |
| 11:07.17 | liable | !magic8ball |
| 11:07.32 | peterS | !8ball is liable on crack? |
| 11:07.32 | dpkg | Negative. |
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| 11:07.53 | tapas | peterS: thanks a bunch again. now it works :) |
| 11:07.59 | peterS | tapas: cool |
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| 11:08.37 | liable | hrm, only booze for me |
| 11:08.46 | liable | !magic 8-ball |
| 11:08.47 | dpkg | as I see it, yes |
| 11:08.54 | liable | doh |
| 11:09.25 | liable | !magic 8-ball am i a demi-god? |
| 11:09.35 | Shai-tan | !eat babies |
| 11:09.37 | liable | !stupid bot |
| 11:09.38 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 11:09.41 | peterS | pwned |
| 11:09.48 | liable | indeed :( |
| 11:10.25 | peterS | the Great Lord made her eat babies! |
| 11:10.29 | redblades | I'm trying to run 3Ddesktop, but I get this error: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 11:10.47 | redblades | Any ideas? |
| 11:11.02 | liable | redblades: do you have the glx libraries? |
| 11:11.15 | redblades | I don't think so |
| 11:11.15 | liable | lib-mesa-someshit? |
| 11:11.24 | liable | :) |
| 11:11.32 | redblades | okay : ) |
| 11:11.47 | liable | redblades: apt-cache search mesa |
| 11:13.17 | liable | libgl1-mesa-glx? |
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| 11:15.52 | liable | and dri if for some reason you dont have it, or in the case of nvidia.. who fucking knows.. :) |
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| 11:22.39 | redblades | liable, didn't work |
| 11:23.12 | redblades | Wait, it's a different message! |
| 11:23.17 | redblades | I guess that's good |
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| 11:23.46 | redblades | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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| 11:24.02 | redblades | What does this mean, how do I fix it? |
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| 11:24.47 | redblades | Oh, and yes NVidia |
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| 11:26.21 | Maulkin | redblades: Are you trying to run it as root? |
| 11:26.33 | Maulkin | Rather than the user you're logged in as. |
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| 11:27.48 | redblades | Oh... um.. |
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| 11:27.55 | redblades | I may have accidentally |
| 11:28.02 | Bounga | Hello ! |
| 11:28.20 | redblades | Hello |
| 11:28.23 | Maulkin | !ask |
| 11:28.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:28.35 | Maulkin | redblades: Sounds like it :) |
| 11:28.42 | Bounga | I'm using Debian Sid and since my last upgrade I've got this error message : cups: Unable to read configuration file '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf' - exiting |
| 11:28.44 | Bounga | any clue ? |
| 11:29.07 | redblades | Maulkin, I was, but know I have the same error as before |
| 11:29.25 | liable | Bounga: yes, a good clue is not to run sid, second is to read bts and third is read changelogs |
| 11:30.23 | Maulkin | redblades: The GLX extention problem? |
| 11:30.32 | Bounga | liable: I'm running Sid since years and I don't share your opinion ... I haven't found any clue on the bts ... but maybe you should read it more carefully |
| 11:30.39 | Bounga | I'm gonna read the changelogs too |
| 11:30.40 | redblades | Maulkin, Exactly |
| 11:30.56 | liable | Bounga: hrm, maybe i dont run sid? |
| 11:31.03 | Maulkin | redblades: Have you istalled it? |
| 11:31.26 | Maulkin | Bounga: does the file exist? |
| 11:31.31 | redblades | Well, yes, but many packages are "GLX" related |
| 11:31.34 | Maulkin | Bounga: What's causing the error? |
| 11:31.40 | redblades | Which is the correct one? |
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| 11:32.24 | Maulkin | redblades: what card have you got? Nvidia, right? |
| 11:33.14 | Bounga | Maulkin: yes the file exist |
| 11:33.16 | Bounga | s |
| 11:33.21 | Maulkin | redblades: if so, you're probably looking for nvidia-glx |
| 11:33.45 | Maulkin | Bounga: What's producing the error? |
| 11:34.11 | redblades | NVidia GeForce2 MX/MX 400 |
| 11:34.44 | Maulkin | redblades: nvidia-glx will do you then |
| 11:36.13 | liable | Bounga: ok, so /etc/init.d/cupsys start says it doesnt exist? |
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| 11:42.55 | liable | redblades: aptitude search glx, theres a few nvidia shits |
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| 11:46.15 | roxy_ | liable: I am able to boot into my testing again :-), but I lost networking. |
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| 11:46.58 | liable | roxy_: hrm, that makes dist-upgrading hard i guess.. |
| 11:47.11 | roxy_ | :-) |
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| 11:47.48 | liable | thats nothing to be happy about! :P |
| 11:48.28 | roxy_ | liable: in kde there isn't any of the system->network set up menu, what package could I be missing ? |
| 11:49.10 | liable | roxy_: whats 'ifconfig -a' say ?? dont paste all here |
| 11:49.31 | redblades | Maulkin, how do I play DVD's? |
| 11:49.38 | redblades | I'm not sure what to do |
| 11:49.57 | Bounga | liable: sorry, yes, /etc/init.d/cupsys start says cupsd: Unable to read configuration file '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf' - exiting! |
| 11:50.33 | Bounga | ll /etc/cups/cupsd.conf gives -rw-r----- 1 root lpadmin |
| 11:50.36 | roxy_ | liable, it sees the eht* , no inet addr associated with it. |
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| 11:50.41 | cahoot | Bounga: /var/log/cups/error_log might be informative |
| 11:50.58 | Bounga | I take a look at this file |
| 11:52.03 | Bounga | Hum it seems that I've got errors in my config file |
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| 11:52.37 | liable | bah, i just put a lure on upside down.. |
| 11:53.03 | Maulkin | redblades: Which program? |
| 11:53.54 | datrus | hello. i don't know where to ask this: does anyone know if it's possible to search inside page sources with google (searches inside javascript, html tags, etc.). or is it only possible to search withing page text. |
| 11:54.45 | redblades | Maulkin, any |
| 11:55.04 | Maulkin | redblades: Well, do you have kde or gnome installed? |
| 11:55.32 | redblades | Both, though I am using KDE |
| 11:55.33 | Bounga | great, it works now |
| 11:55.46 | Bounga | Some directives of the conf file have changed |
| 11:55.48 | Maulkin | redblades: Dunno under kde. Under gnome, totem may help. |
| 11:55.55 | Maulkin | redblades: Personally, I use xine |
| 11:56.09 | abrotman | i think it's kaffiene or some crap |
| 11:56.11 | Bounga | liable: thanks ! |
| 11:56.15 | abrotman | which uses xine as a back end |
| 11:56.17 | Bounga | cahoot: thanks too :) |
| 11:56.25 | Maulkin | abrotman: it's bound to start with a k :) |
| 11:56.34 | abrotman | Maulkin: it's still krap! |
| 11:56.40 | Maulkin | heh |
| 11:57.47 | callee_ | how do i remove a package that refuses to be removed by apt-get or dpkg with an error: Subprocess post-removal script returned errorcode 6 |
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| 11:58.58 | vai | how do i disallow root login over ssh ?? |
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| 11:59.04 | liable | Bounga: no worries |
| 11:59.52 | Maulkin | vai: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config. change PermitRootLogin |
| 11:59.54 | callee_ | vai: man sshd.conf |
| 11:59.55 | abrotman | vai: it's in the sshd_config in /etc/ssh |
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| 12:00.09 | abrotman | callee_: man sshd_config |
| 12:00.21 | vai | there is no such entry in sshd_conf |
| 12:00.24 | callee_ | man sshd |
| 12:00.25 | vai | should i make one ? |
| 12:00.33 | vai | okkk |
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| 12:00.46 | abrotman | vai: man sshd_config |
| 12:00.53 | abrotman | i have no idea what OS callee_ is using .. but it's not debian :) |
| 12:01.00 | cahoot | vai: might also consider listing all allowed ssh'ers as AllowUsers to lock out all others |
| 12:01.00 | vai | thanx, i will man |
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| 12:01.18 | callee_ | abrotman: well, was lucky guessing :) |
| 12:01.27 | abrotman | eh ... |
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| 12:01.39 | abrotman | god damn it .. soccer is on again .. who watches this stuff? |
| 12:01.47 | callee_ | abrotman: as you should have found out by now, not all manpages for conf files are named as the config files are |
| 12:01.50 | cahoot | abrotman: all sane people |
| 12:01.51 | Ronin | abrotman: damn near the entire world |
| 12:02.21 | abrotman | Ronin: you're canadian .. you guys will watch anyhting **cough** curling **cough** |
| 12:02.23 | liable | nein! |
| 12:02.52 | abrotman | i wonder if the rest of the world is subjected to basketball and golf too ? |
| 12:03.06 | liable | oh yeah, baseball is no where near as boring as soccer... |
| 12:03.08 | abrotman | or if they get NASCAR .. YAY .. three hours of all left turns |
| 12:03.11 | Ronin | abrotman: better then baseball |
| 12:03.18 | abrotman | Ronin: curling is better than baseball ? |
| 12:03.24 | Ronin | yep |
| 12:03.26 | abrotman | hehehe |
| 12:03.42 | Ronin | but lets be honest when it comes down to it all sports are pretty much pointless |
| 12:03.50 | abrotman | GUYS .. Let's use a broom to move ice out of the way ro the big disc goes farther!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 12:04.17 | liable | erm, thats not curling is it? |
| 12:04.33 | Ronin | liable: sounds like shoveling the snow and not curling |
| 12:04.46 | abrotman | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling |
| 12:04.48 | roxy_ | GUYS ... Let's help roxy_ get its networking back |
| 12:04.54 | liable | whats that irish game that sounds the same but is quite violent, looks kinda like lacrosse |
| 12:04.59 | abrotman | roxy_: do you have a broom? |
| 12:05.02 | Ronin | hey lets stand in one spot for 4 hours, scratch our selves, make a tar pit by spitting tobacco spit heh |
| 12:05.10 | liable | hah |
| 12:05.11 | yassine | morning guys |
| 12:05.22 | liable | and gals |
| 12:05.29 | abrotman | Ronin: oh .. you were happy when you guys won the series :) |
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| 12:05.48 | roxy_ | abrotman: s/soccer/football |
| 12:05.55 | liable | haha, you lost to canada? |
| 12:05.55 | Ronin | abrotman: about the only time i watched it, i have better things to do with my time |
| 12:05.56 | beardy | GUYS, Let's grab a piece of wood, throw some dead cowhide and hit the dead cowhide, and RUN around and get our clothes dirty by sliding on the ground, yay! |
| 12:05.57 | abrotman | Ronin: it's not so much that curling is boring .. but SOMEHOW .. it became an olympic sport |
| 12:05.57 | Bounga | see you |
| 12:06.04 | *** part/#debian Bounga (n=nico@bounga.org) |
| 12:06.12 | abrotman | roxy_: i'm aware of what the rest of the world calls it |
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| 12:06.29 | veleno | hello. doing an aptitute upgrade i'm stuck with this error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2789 (on debian/unstable) |
| 12:06.46 | abrotman | Ronin: i think i'd rather see competetive eating at the olmypics than curling :) |
| 12:06.54 | Ronin | to each thier own |
| 12:07.05 | beardy | !beer Ronin |
| 12:07.09 | abrotman | veleno: can you translate that ? |
| 12:07.22 | redblades | Umm.... The way I have my taskbar set, I can't see programs that have been minimised |
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| 12:07.37 | abrotman | veleno: eh .. nm .. dpkg -P opera .. try again .. then reinstall opera |
| 12:07.52 | abrotman | redblades: really ... which freaking DE/WM ? |
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| 12:08.04 | abrotman | Ronin: but you did still watch it :) |
| 12:08.12 | Ronin | abrotman: watch what? |
| 12:08.15 | redblades | KDE |
| 12:08.16 | abrotman | the world series |
| 12:08.23 | abrotman | redblades: you lost your task bar in KDE? |
| 12:08.29 | redblades | No |
| 12:08.44 | veleno | abrotman, thx, it passed the 'stucking' point |
| 12:08.55 | abrotman | veleno: enjoy |
| 12:09.08 | redblades | Kicker is not set to show minimised programs, (I like it better like that) |
| 12:09.10 | Ronin | when toronto was in it? yep, got me out of working, heck i would have gone golfing if it got me out of working |
| 12:09.20 | abrotman | Ronin: hehe |
| 12:09.31 | abrotman | Ronin: were you at the "sex" game too ? |
| 12:09.54 | Ronin | ok i know this is a mistake to ask but "sex" game? |
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| 12:10.45 | redblades | Is there a shortcut (keyboard) that I can use |
| 12:10.57 | redblades | to bring the windows back to maximise? |
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| 12:11.07 | abrotman | Ronin: when the stadium opened .. they showed a couple(staying in the hotel) having sex on the jumbotron |
| 12:11.19 | abrotman | redblades: alt-tab? |
| 12:11.23 | beardy | redblades: depends on which windowmanager you are running |
| 12:11.27 | abrotman | kwin |
| 12:11.32 | Youpi | windows xp :D |
| 12:11.33 | tarzeau | 0000:00:10.1 0403: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 12:11.39 | tarzeau | which module do i need for this sound card? |
| 12:11.43 | redblades | Alt-tab works when it is already open but otherwise, not |
| 12:11.44 | tarzeau | 2.4.33-pre2 |
| 12:11.49 | Ronin | abrotman: heh no im in the wrong part of the country to go to games, we're in the arse end of the country out here |
| 12:12.16 | abrotman | Ronin: yellowknife? |
| 12:12.23 | beardy | tarzeau: High Definition.. hah.. I'd guess it's some ac97? |
| 12:12.26 | Ronin | wrong way, new brunswick |
| 12:12.38 | abrotman | Ronin: i've been to .. uhm .. nova scotia :) |
| 12:12.47 | abrotman | Ronin: i used to spend lots of time in maine |
| 12:12.50 | Ronin | abrotman: close enough |
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| 12:13.17 | tarzeau | beardy: i don't know it just worked with alsa and 2.6 |
| 12:13.20 | roxy_ | /etc/init.d/networking start gives no error |
| 12:13.35 | abrotman | Ronin: i mean .. i've been to other places in canada too :) |
| 12:13.52 | Ronin | abrotman: humm we let you in? must talk to security about that ;) |
| 12:13.54 | redblades | Package nvidia-glx has no available version, but exists in the database. |
| 12:13.54 | beardy | tarzeau: it's working? why bother about the module then? |
| 12:13.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: the french canada too? |
| 12:14.04 | tarzeau | beardy: i'm in 2.4 , here it doesn't werk |
| 12:14.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: french canada is actually pretty cool |
| 12:14.09 | redblades | Is there a way to fix this? |
| 12:14.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: you should get your work to pay for you to go to OLS |
| 12:14.39 | tarzeau | !OLS |
| 12:14.40 | dpkg | hmm... ols is Ottawa Linux Symposium |
| 12:14.40 | beardy | tarzeau: Can you boot/check the 2.6 kernel and see which module it loaded? |
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| 12:14.54 | tarzeau | beardy: gnaaa yes i can... |
| 12:15.22 | abrotman | Ronin: i was younger then .. over 10 years since i've been in canada |
| 12:15.27 | firef0x | i want my debian box to have feature like remote "sound blaster" of wireless'ly connected to it laptop running windows |
| 12:15.33 | firef0x | any ideas ? |
| 12:15.44 | beardy | !esd |
| 12:15.45 | dpkg | [esd] the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 12:16.21 | firef0x | beardy supports windows ? |
| 12:16.38 | beardy | firef0x: But some *cast thing is probably better, if it's music you want to listen to, what are you actually going to do. |
| 12:16.49 | beardy | firef0x: Let's hope not. |
| 12:17.01 | redblades | Are DVD's supposed to have .exe's on them? |
| 12:17.12 | dashaebig | what is .exe? |
| 12:17.25 | beardy | dashaebig: really? |
| 12:17.26 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:17.38 | firef0x | beardy i want to hear all the sounds on the bigger speakers which are connected to linux desktop |
| 12:17.38 | abrotman | beardy: unix files don't need extensions |
| 12:17.54 | firef0x | beardy i already have xmms there |
| 12:18.40 | beardy | abrotman: So what? I doubt they are meant to be used in a *nix box, $DVDCREATOR probably doesn't know anything else than windong. |
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| 12:19.01 | abrotman | windong ... :) |
| 12:19.11 | firef0x | is there some kind of windows driver-wrapper, which could send all the sounds to linux server |
| 12:19.14 | firef0x | ? |
| 12:19.22 | abrotman | on sarge? |
| 12:19.26 | redblades | How do I force an eject? |
| 12:19.34 | dashaebig | redblades: eject /dev/cdrom ? |
| 12:19.38 | redblades | Cool |
| 12:19.43 | firef0x | :) |
| 12:19.46 | phogg | redblades: umount -l, then eject. |
| 12:19.57 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 12:19.58 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 12:20.03 | firef0x | http://www.clingman.org/winesd/ :) |
| 12:20.52 | roxy_ | dmesg | grep eth gives: Link is down |
| 12:21.04 | roxy_ | Where is the problem ? |
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| 12:21.44 | abrotman | it's not up |
| 12:22.10 | firef0x | :) |
| 12:22.21 | beardy | it's down, if you find a problem that it's down, otherwise, we have no idea |
| 12:22.21 | firef0x | ifconfig ethX up |
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| 12:23.15 | firef0x | roxy_ try lspci, cheq wheather correct driver for your network chipset loaded |
| 12:23.21 | redblades | This is so annoying |
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| 12:23.27 | redblades | I need to end synaptic |
| 12:23.43 | vai | could not find any entry names "PermitRootLogin " in sshd_conf :( |
| 12:23.59 | abrotman | liable: can you got to redblades' place and hold his hand ? |
| 12:24.07 | abrotman | vai: come on |
| 12:24.10 | beardy | vai: Who says there should be any? |
| 12:24.19 | beardy | vai: just search root or Root |
| 12:24.22 | abrotman | there should be |
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| 12:24.26 | abrotman | search for Root |
| 12:24.32 | liable | abrotman: sure, only if he has the sheep warmed up and ready to go. |
| 12:24.44 | abrotman | liable: wouldn't shock me if he did |
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| 12:26.14 | abrotman | Ronin: one good thing about canadian sports .. you guys put the field goal posts at the front of the endzone in the CFL :) |
| 12:26.16 | liable | erm.. i didnt mean that.. honest |
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| 12:27.03 | vai | hahaa... too silly of me... thanx for suggestion .. search Root |
| 12:27.13 | blue_sky | how do I force an install of a package where I have built from source a dependancy that has no package. And how do I stop it keep complaining that the dependacy is still unmet when I do upgrades? |
| 12:27.16 | vai | found and done . |
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| 12:27.35 | abrotman | vai: beer time! |
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| 12:28.30 | roxy_ | firef0x: it is a 3com, how do I check for the driver ? |
| 12:29.12 | beardy | roxy_: lspci, what 3com model? |
| 12:30.00 | redblades | abrotman, don't be an asshole |
| 12:30.16 | roxy_ | beardy: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M[Tornado] |
| 12:30.23 | abrotman | redblades: dont' be lazy |
| 12:30.34 | redblades | I'm having issues with KDE and the most helpful thing you can offer is criticism? |
| 12:30.49 | redblades | Lazy? How am I being lazy |
| 12:30.52 | redblades | ? |
| 12:30.59 | abrotman | you can't figure out how to close synaptic ? |
| 12:31.48 | vai | what could have been the reason for a latest debian instalation got hacked ?? I had no firewall.. i had grafical envirenment |
| 12:31.55 | beardy | roxy_: 3c90x is the name, IIRC. If not, 'locate 3c9 | grep module' |
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| 12:32.10 | liable | redblades: thats how we do things here :P |
| 12:32.11 | redblades | abrotman, that is the most skewed version of lazy |
| 12:32.12 | abrotman | vai: there's no way to tell without more info .. there have been many security updates |
| 12:32.26 | redblades | If I can't do something, I can learn |
| 12:32.31 | redblades | (and will) |
| 12:32.37 | abrotman | you're asking us how to do every little thing |
| 12:32.43 | vai | hmmm okk.. i had testing version .. |
| 12:32.49 | beardy | redblades: Just do it. |
| 12:32.49 | abrotman | vai: that's a good reason :) |
| 12:32.54 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 12:32.54 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
| 12:32.57 | vai | with rkhunter i found 2 rootkits installed.. |
| 12:32.58 | redblades | Laziness wouold be if I can't do something, and am not willing to listen |
| 12:33.00 | abrotman | vai: was this a server? |
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| 12:33.08 | profoXP | Hello, I want to install debian on my server. How is security at debian? PaX / GRsecurity like patches ? easy to install ? and about upgrading, should i just use apt-get to keep the server up to date and thats it ? and when to update ? and I shouldn't use apt-get dist-upgrade for a server that is supposed to stay on line 24/7 right ? |
| 12:33.16 | abrotman | no .. laziness is asking us before you do any research on your own |
| 12:33.19 | roxy_ | beardy: /lib/modules/.../mca_53c9.ko |
| 12:33.33 | redblades | I have two main areas of issues, the first being graphics |
| 12:33.43 | beardy | roxy_: no |
| 12:33.46 | roxy_ | beardy, sorry: ...c9x.ko |
| 12:33.47 | abrotman | profoXP: dist-upgrade won't affect you running sarge/stable (not currently anyways) |
| 12:34.10 | redblades | I seem to be missing a package >nvidia-glx< |
| 12:34.16 | abrotman | profoXP: we do have security.debian.org ... those are updated packages .. i'm not sure about grsec or pax |
| 12:34.24 | redblades | and although it is listed, it is not present |
| 12:34.29 | profoXP | abrotman, okay, i will check it out |
| 12:34.29 | abrotman | how did redblades get on testing? |
| 12:34.36 | redblades | me? |
| 12:34.44 | abrotman | yes you |
| 12:34.46 | redblades | How did you know... ? |
| 12:34.53 | abrotman | because .. i'm smarter than you :) |
| 12:35.12 | redblades | not likely, but go on... |
| 12:35.16 | redblades | : p |
| 12:35.24 | abrotman | nvidia-glx is currently not available in etch |
| 12:35.29 | redblades | I see |
| 12:35.29 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 12:35.42 | redblades | !prize me |
| 12:35.52 | redblades | because I deserve it just for being here |
| 12:35.56 | redblades | : P |
| 12:36.01 | redblades | Ha Ha Ha |
| 12:36.06 | abrotman | redblades: you can try to grab the package from sid (via FTP .. NOT via sources) .. and try to install that |
| 12:36.20 | redblades | Okay, how might that go? |
| 12:36.31 | abrotman | with an ftp client ... odd .. i know |
| 12:36.34 | redblades | actually, I seem to have quite a few package issues |
| 12:36.37 | abrotman | !pdo |
| 12:36.38 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 12:37.14 | abrotman | s/package// :) |
| 12:37.19 | abrotman | liable: BAAAAHH |
| 12:38.02 | abrotman | !moo |
| 12:38.02 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 12:38.04 | liable | !bahh |
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| 12:38.08 | abrotman | !bah |
| 12:38.09 | dpkg | well, bah is everyone's other favourite word (see heh) |
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| 12:38.13 | liable | hrm, who removed that |
| 12:38.18 | roxy_ | beardy, firef0x : still here ? :/ |
| 12:38.22 | epsilon | !sex |
| 12:38.23 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 12:38.36 | liable | !baah |
| 12:38.37 | dpkg | baaaaaaaah |
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| 12:41.40 | roxy_ | !ko |
| 12:41.41 | dpkg | hmm... ko is KNOCK OUT, or danish for cow mooooo |
| 12:41.55 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 12:42.02 | Netcad | if I only have ftp in my old hosting how to transfer it using ssh to my new host? |
| 12:42.13 | roxy_ | what does the .ko extension means ? |
| 12:42.14 | abrotman | Netcad: scp |
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| 12:42.24 | abrotman | roxy_: 2.6 kernel modules |
| 12:42.24 | Youpi | knocked out |
| 12:42.26 | abrotman | !.ko |
| 12:42.49 | abrotman | !.ko are kernel modules for >2.6 Linux |
| 12:42.49 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 12:43.07 | roxy_ | cheers |
| 12:43.55 | abrotman | what a horrible way to state it |
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| 12:44.26 | abrotman | !no .ko is Files ending in .ko are kernel modules for Linux kernel versions 2.6 and newer. |
| 12:44.26 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 12:44.42 | abrotman | still bad .. but whateer |
| 12:44.43 | liable | !chortle |
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| 12:45.02 | liable | is that what a two chinned person calls a laugh? |
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| 12:47.30 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 12:47.30 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 12:47.46 | abrotman | !dict chortle |
| 12:47.48 | dpkg | Dictionary 'chortle' (3): Chortle \Chor"tle\, v. t. & i. [imp. & p. p. Chortled; p. pr. & vb. n. Chor"tling.] A word coined by Lewis Carroll (Charles L. Dodgson), and usually explained as a combination of chuckle and snort. [Humorous] ;; laugh quietly or with restraint ;; a soft partly suppressed laugh [syn: {chuckle}]. |
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| 12:48.15 | liable | yep, thats what multi chinned people do.. :) |
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| 12:49.33 | Youpi | !dict pizza |
| 12:49.34 | dpkg | Dictionary 'pizza' Italian open pie made of thin bread dough spread with a spiced mixture of e.g. tomato sauce and cheese |
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| 12:49.58 | Ronin | and is damn tasty to eat |
| 12:50.04 | Youpi | right |
| 12:50.07 | Youpi | gtg, sry |
| 12:50.13 | liable | gotta love the pizza |
| 12:50.44 | Youpi | good news, I will soon take linux again |
| 12:50.50 | Youpi | god bless bewan ! |
| 12:50.51 | Youpi | :) |
| 12:50.55 | liable | take it where? |
| 12:51.01 | Ronin | ya where yo taking it? |
| 12:51.03 | Youpi | on the hoover |
| 12:51.12 | Ronin | a vacum cleaner? |
| 12:51.14 | onetinsoldier | the hoover damn? |
| 12:51.21 | Youpi | linux do not support irq sharing for my adsl modem |
| 12:51.21 | onetinsoldier | hehe.. dam |
| 12:51.23 | Youpi | :( |
| 12:51.40 | Youpi | fortunely I need to extend this network |
| 12:51.45 | liable | isnt that a bios thing? |
| 12:51.51 | Youpi | then that mean changing the material |
| 12:51.54 | Youpi | no |
| 12:51.58 | Youpi | this is adriver problem |
| 12:52.02 | Youpi | it works here |
| 12:52.09 | Youpi | with non official microsoft driver |
| 12:52.11 | abrotman | Ronin: CFL! |
| 12:52.19 | Youpi | If I use windows xp driver it crashed too |
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| 12:52.32 | liable | ah, so its a pos? |
| 12:52.34 | abrotman | so your modem doesn't work in windows or linux ? |
| 12:52.35 | Ronin | abrotman: north american football? 300lb fat guys stuffed into lycra ;) |
| 12:52.37 | Youpi | so this is a software problem |
| 12:52.50 | Youpi | not with my video card |
| 12:52.55 | Youpi | I had hard to find the problem |
| 12:53.03 | Youpi | this is due to both use the irq 11 |
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| 12:53.19 | liable | Ronin: thats a terrible mental picture |
| 12:53.29 | Ronin | liable: ya i know sorry about that |
| 12:53.37 | Youpi | windows => black screen and reboot when dialing. and linux => no modem. |
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| 12:54.10 | iturk | hi there :: is there any panel with configurable icons for launching applications more quick for environment like fluxbox ?? |
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| 12:54.21 | liable | Youpi: get a descent whatever it is that you have that sucks :P |
| 12:54.22 | cds | What's the usual time it takes for a package to get into testing? |
| 12:54.25 | wakeman | i miss libxrender.la in my system, and there are a lot of packages not compiling anymore. is there a way to fix it? |
| 12:54.38 | liable | cds: when its not as buggy as hell |
| 12:54.43 | Youpi | liable: it worked past 6 years |
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| 12:55.08 | Youpi | when I changed my video cards problem came |
| 12:55.09 | cds | liable: Well, I'm thinking of installing amarok through apt, but want the latest versions. |
| 12:55.10 | liable | Youpi: ok... time to upgrade :) |
| 12:55.15 | Youpi | yes ;) |
| 12:55.20 | onetinsoldier | wakeman: can you get the source for libxrender and compile it yourself? |
| 12:55.21 | Youpi | bewan pci st modem rocks |
| 12:55.24 | Youpi | :D |
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| 12:55.30 | cds | liable: Do you know if that actually happens in testing, or will I have to wait months for it to appear? |
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| 12:55.41 | wakeman | onetinsoldier: i think it would require to compile half xorg |
| 12:55.53 | onetinsoldier | wakeman: oh, i see |
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| 12:56.40 | onetinsoldier | wakeman: what version of debian are you running? it looks like i have libxrender installed here... |
| 12:56.53 | onetinsoldier | i'm running etch here |
| 12:57.13 | liable | cds: well, depends if the version you want is even in unstable first, then once it doesnt break shit horribbly, it come to etch fairly quickly |
| 12:57.34 | wakeman | onetinsoldier: unstable, it is a known bug (bugs.debian.org/libxrender-dev) but i see no workaround for now |
| 12:57.48 | cds | liable: I've been told the latest version is in both. |
| 12:58.05 | cds | liable: I'm just trying to find out the average time it gets to testing :p |
| 12:58.13 | cds | liable: Would a week be fair to say? |
| 12:58.46 | liable | cds: there isnt really an average time, but its not that long on average depending on package complexity |
| 12:58.55 | liable | cds: no, longer |
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| 12:59.53 | onetinsoldier | wakeman: well, since it's available as a .deb i still wouldn't doubt if there's a way to workaround the problem. do you have a .deb of it on your system at all? perhaps in /var/cache/apt/archives ...? |
| 12:59.55 | cds | Ok, I think it should be fine to use the testing version. |
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| 13:00.11 | cds | Thanks for your advice, liable. |
| 13:00.26 | liable | cds: np |
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| 13:01.23 | roxy_ | ifconfig shows eth1 and /etc/init.d/networking start doesn't give anyerror, but I got no networking :( |
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| 13:01.43 | HelmutG | Hi. What is the easiest tool to build a package from source in a chroot? (i.e. something which works like aptitude install foo; foo-build bar [which should set up its chroot alone and remove it afterwards]) |
| 13:01.47 | liable | Ronin: does it show it as up and running with an ip? |
| 13:01.53 | liable | roxy_: ^^ |
| 13:01.59 | arabian | hello |
| 13:02.07 | arabian | I have a little problem |
| 13:02.30 | roxy_ | liable: ifconfig shows eht1 as up but withou ip |
| 13:02.32 | liable | HelmutG: for building in a chroot, i think pbuilder is what the cool kids use |
| 13:02.37 | arabian | I am trying to install gaim-vv but it doesn't work |
| 13:02.42 | profoXP | I want to put up a debian server in a datacentre, to be safe/secure, when/how many times do I have to update/reboot (for the kernel etc, security patches) |
| 13:03.00 | HelmutG | liable: ok. I'll try. |
| 13:03.22 | liable | roxy_: what happens when you do 'dhclient eth1' ?? |
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| 13:03.27 | arabian | i downloaded the autopackage files |
| 13:03.45 | liable | whats an autopackage file? |
| 13:03.54 | wakeman | onetinsoldier: i can't downgrade, lots of dependencies broken... |
| 13:04.07 | wakeman | onetinsoldier: well i'm not goind to compile for a while |
| 13:04.38 | liable | HelmutG: try the new maintainers guide and the debian-mentors mailing list |
| 13:04.38 | HelmutG | liable: seems much easier than sbuild and debian-builder |
| 13:04.55 | HelmutG | liable: uhm. I'd just like to install py2.5 |
| 13:04.56 | onetinsoldier | wakeman: i took a look at the bug page... there's one bug there that's 58 days old. is that the one your talking about? |
| 13:05.23 | onetinsoldier | 362276: libxrender-dev: /usr/lib/libXrender.la vanished |
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| 13:06.32 | wakeman | onetinsoldier: yep |
| 13:06.35 | roxy_ | liable: no dhcpoffers received |
| 13:07.01 | roxy_ | liable: does that mean it is a router pb ? |
| 13:07.23 | liable | roxy_: well, it means its not getting a lease from the router yeah. |
| 13:07.42 | liable | roxy_: can other boxes get a lease from it? |
| 13:08.02 | onetinsoldier | wakeman: all i can say is i know how to get it installed(even an older working version) without any complaints from apt and/or dpkg. it takes a little hack yes, but it certainly works. but if you want to leave your system as it is i certainly understand. |
| 13:08.10 | roxy_ | liable: yes, and it was working with knoppix |
| 13:08.21 | liable | roxy_: hrm. |
| 13:08.44 | liable | roxy_: do you know how to set a static ip? |
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| 13:09.26 | Intoxicator | g'day |
| 13:09.50 | liable | gidday mate |
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| 13:10.00 | roxy_ | liable: what should I do ? |
| 13:10.27 | liable | roxy_: it worked before didnt it? |
| 13:10.57 | roxy_ | liable, yes |
| 13:11.27 | liable | roxy_: ok, try booting the etch cd in rescue mode, and doing a dist-upgrade |
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| 13:12.04 | Silent_al | which app will allow me to play mms://file.wmv streams? except mplayer |
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| 13:12.10 | roxy_ | liable, don't have a boot etch cd, would chroot from knoppix be the same ? |
| 13:12.24 | liable | roxy_: yep |
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| 13:14.03 | roxy_ | liable: dpkg was saying to "aptitude update/dist-upgrade" on etch, what is the difference with "aptitude update/upgrade" |
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| 13:14.17 | HelmutG | Is it ok setting APTCACHE=/var/cache/apt/archives in pbuilderrc? |
| 13:14.32 | liable | roxy_: huh? |
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| 13:14.43 | HelmutG | (i.e. will this setting save me from downloading a lot? |
| 13:15.20 | roxy_ | !testing security |
| 13:15.20 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
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| 13:15.53 | roxy_ | liable: why not aptitude upgrade ? |
| 13:16.23 | liable | roxy_: aptitude is good if thats what you normally use |
| 13:16.31 | war92 | It kind of sucks mkisofs cannot make udf FS for burning dvds. |
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| 13:16.42 | war92 | there is no good way to burn your own stuff onto a dvd using linux |
| 13:16.47 | war92 | using UDF |
| 13:16.53 | liable | roxy_: i just say apt-get out of habit because the masses dont seem to like aptitude |
| 13:17.09 | roxy_ | liable: my questionis about upgrade/ dist-upgrade |
| 13:17.44 | liable | roxy_: what about it? |
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| 13:18.19 | liable | roxy_: man apt-get, one will upgrade packages, the other will remove/install new ones in the process |
| 13:18.28 | liable | if its required |
| 13:18.34 | redblades | Hi, how do I take a screenshot? |
| 13:18.35 | redblades | KDE |
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| 13:18.38 | redblades | by the way |
| 13:18.45 | liable | !screenshot |
| 13:18.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 13:19.00 | liable | roxy_: i think kde has a toll for it |
| 13:19.04 | liable | redblades: ^^ |
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| 13:19.09 | liable | tool |
| 13:19.22 | Silent_al | dudes ,which app will allow me to play mms://file.wmv streams? except mplayer and vlc and totem |
| 13:19.51 | HelmutG | Silent_al: maybe xine can handle that. |
| 13:20.15 | redblades | liable, well duh |
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| 13:20.24 | redblades | I was asking more "where?" |
| 13:20.37 | liable | redblades: duh! look in the menu! |
| 13:21.07 | liable | fucked if i actually know if it does or not, but would be surprised if it doesnt |
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| 13:23.45 | Silent_al | HelmutG , almost workes .. said it cant handle the stream :( |
| 13:23.53 | Silent_al | worked* |
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| 13:26.41 | roxy_ | liable: I am in chroot, I aptitude update/dist-upgrade, anything else I could do/check while I am in it ? |
| 13:27.42 | liable | roxy_: what did it upgrade? |
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| 13:29.20 | roxy_ | liable: 32 upgraded 75 newly installed, what should I be looking for ? |
| 13:29.30 | sirius_ | So matter what i put in my interfaces file my computer will not boot up network at start up i have to get into debian then type dhclient to get my internet up any suggestions ??? |
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| 13:30.44 | liable | roxy_: well, kernel and dhclient are a start, too lazy to bother looking up what package ifconfig is in. try a reboot anywhoo |
| 13:31.54 | HelmutG | Is there a good reason for why the aptitude within pbuilder redownloads all the packages already located in its own /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 13:33.49 | abrotman | newer versions ? |
| 13:34.18 | HelmutG | abrotman: same version |
| 13:34.32 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
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| 13:35.37 | HelmutG | uhm. anyway it just finished. :-) |
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| 13:36.34 | RetroJ | what is the package to get man pages for the glibc headers? (specifically math.h and value.h) |
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| 13:37.05 | liable | luxery |
| 13:37.19 | liable | how the fuck do you spell that |
| 13:37.25 | Eclipser | language |
| 13:37.31 | Eclipser | luxury |
| 13:37.40 | liable | hrm, was close |
| 13:37.44 | sirius_ | So matter what i put in my interfaces file my computer will not boot up network at start up i have to get into debian then type dhclient to get my internet up any suggestions ??? |
| 13:37.51 | alexbodn | hello, has anybody seen "line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl TIOCLINUX called" ? |
| 13:37.55 | callee_ | how to force removal of a specific package? |
| 13:37.56 | liable | Eclipser: yes, thats english btw :P |
| 13:38.06 | Eclipser | .. |
| 13:38.10 | redblades | I can take a screenshot, with X window Snapshot, but the stupid thing is, I can't seem to save the screenshot! |
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| 13:38.15 | gs | hi |
| 13:38.20 | gs | someone install debian on macbook? |
| 13:38.23 | liable | dont be such a prude |
| 13:38.27 | HelmutG | Can I somehow prevent vg* utils to spin up idle disks? |
| 13:38.34 | alexbodn | sirius_: you have to set auto interfaces |
| 13:38.41 | sirius_ | alexbodn i tried |
| 13:38.42 | liable | HelmutG: whats vg utils? |
| 13:38.50 | HelmutG | liable: volume group |
| 13:38.52 | roxy_ | liable: same problem. I can't even connect to my router at 192.168.1.1 |
| 13:38.58 | redblades | I also have no idea whether or not it might be stashing them away soemwhere |
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| 13:39.30 | alexbodn | sirius_: may i see your interfaces? |
| 13:39.30 | HelmutG | vgdisplay some_group spins up all disks (not only the ones the pvs are located on). |
| 13:39.30 | redblades | So, jsut in case anyone has any ideas, how do I take a screenshot in KDE? |
| 13:39.30 | liable | HelmutG: huh, what makes you say that it is making your hd spin up? |
| 13:39.43 | HelmutG | liable: the noise |
| 13:39.46 | liable | HelmutG: set noatime for all partitons for starters |
| 13:39.47 | sirius_ | alexbodn: well i deleted everything to try to see if just having auto eth0 and that iface stuff in there will work |
| 13:40.07 | liable | HelmutG: and install laptop-mode-tools or use hdparm |
| 13:40.22 | liable | roxy_: dhclient still times out? |
| 13:40.23 | HelmutG | liable: they're not mounted. They just spin up when invoking vgs. |
| 13:40.29 | roxy_ | liable, yes |
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| 13:40.37 | alexbodn | sirius_: as rule of thimb, the interface that is up after dhclient, should be auto. |
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| 13:40.51 | roxy_ | redblades, menu->utilities->take screenshot |
| 13:41.10 | HelmutG | liable: It's like the disks are currently unused and they don't contain physical volumes, but vgdisplay spins them up everytime I access something else. |
| 13:41.10 | roxy_ | redblades, install it on your bar |
| 13:41.24 | liable | roxy_: hrm, ok, i really dont feel like walking you through setting up a static ip, but, seeing as im such a nice guy.. |
| 13:41.42 | alexbodn | sirius_: auto eth0 |
| 13:41.43 | alexbodn | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 13:41.48 | liable | HelmutG: i actually have no idea what you are talking about :( |
| 13:41.53 | sirius_ | alexbodn i have that |
| 13:42.21 | liable | roxy_: /j #flood |
| 13:42.27 | alexbodn | sirius_: type ifconfig, after you have run dhclient |
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| 13:43.20 | sirius_ | alexbodn and then what |
| 13:43.20 | power1 | Hey all, is it normal to lose a huge amount of storage space when setting up a drive with ext3 file system, I have just installed a new storage drive - Western Digital 400Gig and after using mke2fs -j this is what "df" reports "/dev/sdb1 367G 129M 349G 1% /mnt/sdb1 is this normal? |
| 13:44.03 | alexbodn | you should replace eth0 in the interfaces with the interface you see after ifconfig |
| 13:44.13 | sirius_ | okay thanks |
| 13:44.23 | alexbodn | good luck |
| 13:44.45 | abrotman | power1: 5% is reserved |
| 13:44.59 | alexbodn | is anybody using user-mode-linux? |
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| 13:45.47 | iturk | i am using fluxbox is it possible to execute ksynaptics using console ?? i need to configure the touchpad !! |
| 13:46.14 | abrotman | maybe ask #fluxbox |
| 13:46.47 | iturk | alexbodn: i have used for some time for driver developing what did you need ?! |
| 13:46.59 | liable | fucking rain, washinghas been on the line 3 days. :( |
| 13:47.13 | abrotman | liable: whoops? :) |
| 13:47.20 | alexbodn | have you seen "line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl TIOCLINUX called" ? |
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| 13:47.50 | liable | abrotman: luckily, i have the luxery of being able to be nude atm .. |
| 13:47.51 | iturk | is it some error can you explain more |
| 13:48.04 | abrotman | liable: the sheep don't mind eh ? |
| 13:48.04 | liable | oops, i didnt mean to say that.. |
| 13:48.08 | gs | someone install debian on macbook? |
| 13:48.23 | abrotman | gs: there's a website for it |
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| 13:48.35 | alexbodn | i am trying to run midnight commander, and almost every cursor movement it complains such way |
| 13:48.46 | callee_ | how can i remove a package manually? |
| 13:48.52 | callee_ | dpkg: doesnt remove it for me |
| 13:48.56 | abrotman | it should .. what's left? |
| 13:49.01 | alexbodn | dpkg -are package-name |
| 13:49.17 | abrotman | gs: google "linux macbook" should get you started |
| 13:49.19 | alexbodn | dpkg \-are package-name |
| 13:49.28 | alexbodn | "dpkg -are package-name" |
| 13:49.30 | liable | abrotman: i am not a kiwi, we dont do sheep here. |
| 13:49.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:49.37 | iturk | alexbodn: well i never run a complex game on it i just make some driver stuff |
| 13:49.40 | gs | abrotman, only has one problem.. |
| 13:49.45 | abrotman | it's a mac ? |
| 13:49.48 | gs | abrotman, but thank |
| 13:49.59 | gs | abrotman, is this debian |
| 13:50.05 | liable | roxy_: ?? |
| 13:50.07 | callee_ | alexbodn: it says --control and --remove would conflict |
| 13:50.08 | gs | and my macbook has debian :P |
| 13:50.11 | alexbodn | midnight commander is the norton clone, no graphics |
| 13:50.19 | abrotman | gs: ok .. so what's the problem ? |
| 13:50.20 | liable | mc rocks |
| 13:50.45 | alexbodn | callee_, be more specific, please |
| 13:50.48 | gs | abrotman, lilo and GUID partition table |
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| 13:51.00 | liable | i dont often endorse may products, but mc does really rock.. |
| 13:51.05 | abrotman | eh .. don't you have ot use bootcamp ? |
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| 13:51.15 | callee_ | dpkg: Conflicting action --control and --remove |
| 13:51.31 | callee_ | thats what i try to do: dpkg -are ctapi-cyberjack |
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| 13:51.39 | alexbodn | thanks, i love it best, and runs on every imaginable platform |
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| 13:51.41 | callee_ | which is the driver of my smartcardreader |
| 13:51.42 | gs | abrotman, with bootccamp not boot too |
| 13:51.53 | roxy_ | liable: no :( |
| 13:52.05 | liable | roxy_: ifconfig sayas what? |
| 13:52.14 | liable | brrrp |
| 13:52.24 | alexbodn | callee_: try --purge |
| 13:52.54 | alexbodn | callee_: is it a virtual package? |
| 13:52.59 | roxy_ | liable, up, inet add: 192.168.1.3 |
| 13:53.02 | callee_ | alexbodn: nope |
| 13:53.21 | liable | roxy_: whats 'route' say? |
| 13:53.22 | callee_ | and it claims that purge and remove would conflict now, even though i only specified --purge |
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| 13:53.27 | alexbodn | does anything depend on it? |
| 13:53.43 | callee_ | alexbodn: nope |
| 13:53.59 | callee_ | now it says: package would be in a bad shape |
| 13:54.02 | alexbodn | what does aptitude say? |
| 13:54.11 | liable | roxy_: can you ping the router? |
| 13:54.11 | callee_ | and that i should install it again |
| 13:54.14 | callee_ | but i cant |
| 13:54.22 | callee_ | no apitude installed |
| 13:54.23 | alexbodn | please |
| 13:54.27 | sirius_ | alexbodn: what is sit0 ? |
| 13:54.38 | callee_ | sirius_: 6to4 interface |
| 13:54.46 | liable | ohnos, no aptitude? |
| 13:54.46 | alexbodn | is a misterious network interface |
| 13:54.48 | sirius_ | callee_: Whats that |
| 13:54.49 | iturk | after i have installed ksynaptics i cannot find it in the console :: how can i find the bin ?? :: where did debian put the bin of installed applications ?? |
| 13:55.00 | roxy_ | liable, host unreachable |
| 13:55.06 | callee_ | sirius_: comes with a kernel-module that enables 6to4 support |
| 13:55.09 | sirius_ | do i need to add it into interfaces ? |
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| 13:55.12 | liable | roxy_: ping says that? |
| 13:55.20 | alexbodn | sirius_: no |
| 13:55.27 | yoo | $gpg |
| 13:55.29 | liable | roxy_: do you have really bad lag or what? |
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| 13:55.43 | alexbodn | so what iface came up with dhclient? |
| 13:55.43 | yoo | !tell yoo gpg |
| 13:55.55 | callee_ | alexbodn: i would install aptitude, but i cant as i have to install that stupid package first |
| 13:56.03 | onetinsoldier | iturk: you know how to use the dpkg caommand a little? ty the following... dpkg -l <package-name> | grep bin |
| 13:56.04 | roxy_ | liable, ping says host unreachable |
| 13:56.08 | onetinsoldier | *command |
| 13:56.19 | callee_ | i cannot apt-get install anything atm because this package screwed something with apt |
| 13:56.19 | liable | roxy_: what does route output? |
| 13:56.33 | alexbodn | apt-get install --reinstall your-package |
| 13:56.48 | callee_ | alexbodn: apt-get cannot install it because it is not in portage |
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| 13:57.04 | callee_ | its an opensource driver for my chipcardreader, directly from the manufacturer |
| 13:57.09 | alexbodn | portage? |
| 13:57.12 | onetinsoldier | portage? |
| 13:57.13 | roxy_ | liable, 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 13:57.23 | callee_ | alexbodn: uhm, whatever its called with debian |
| 13:57.25 | onetinsoldier | wtf is portage? |
| 13:57.41 | callee_ | onetinsoldier: mixed that with gentoo, |
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| 13:57.48 | liable | roxy_: is that the only line? |
| 13:57.49 | roxy_ | liable, default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 ug 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 13:57.54 | liable | ah |
| 13:58.03 | callee_ | whats the apt-package system called? |
| 13:58.23 | alexbodn | callee_: i just don't realy understand. all you have is the file of your package? |
| 13:58.23 | callee_ | where is the list with the packages installed? |
| 13:58.33 | onetinsoldier | Adavanced Package Tool? |
| 13:58.33 | callee_ | alexbodn: yes |
| 13:58.37 | callee_ | a deb file |
| 13:58.38 | iturk | onetinsoldier: with the grep bin i dont get nothing :: without it i get the package name but i want to know the way to the executable file !! how can i do that ?? |
| 13:58.44 | callee_ | and dpkg -i installs it |
| 13:58.51 | liable | roxy_: hrm, you dont have an older kernel do you? |
| 13:58.56 | callee_ | and dpkg -r refuses to remove it |
| 13:59.05 | onetinsoldier | oops... Advanced Package Tool ... not certain if that's what you're asking |
| 13:59.10 | roxy_ | liable, 2.6.15 |
| 13:59.12 | alexbodn | please try dpkg -i --force-all your-file |
| 13:59.16 | callee_ | onetinsoldier: forget it |
| 13:59.43 | callee_ | same error, subprocess returns error code 6 |
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| 13:59.48 | liable | roxy_: but you only have the one version of it? |
| 13:59.50 | sirius_ | alexbodn or callee_ or other: this is what my interfaces and my ifconfig look like http://paste.uni.cc/9245 what whould i re edit my interfaces to please ? |
| 13:59.55 | roxy_ | liable, yes |
| 14:00.24 | callee_ | so where is the list, i can remove that stuff manually from? |
| 14:00.28 | stew | callee_: what is the error? can you put the whole thing into a pastebin? |
| 14:00.37 | liable | roxy_: the kernel is the only thing that i can tink of that might have screwed it. |
| 14:00.43 | callee_ | stew: if you tell me how to make it put out english? |
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| 14:01.00 | callee_ | i dont wanna translate it all from german to english |
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| 14:01.10 | abrotman | everyone speaks german .. no ? |
| 14:01.17 | onetinsoldier | iturk: i'm sorry! i got it wrong.. do this instead.... dpkg -L <package-name> | grep bin |
| 14:01.21 | liable | nein! |
| 14:01.30 | roxy_ | liable, so chroot again and install another kernel like 2.6.8 or 12 ? |
| 14:01.37 | abrotman | callee_: LANG=C command |
| 14:01.40 | stew | callee_: "LANG=C dpkg -r" |
| 14:01.41 | abrotman | i think ... |
| 14:01.53 | stew | callee_: use a pastebin /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:01.57 | alexbodn | sirius_: would you try dhcp lowercase? |
| 14:01.59 | callee_ | nope |
| 14:02.06 | callee_ | still german |
| 14:02.08 | sirius_ | alexbodn: okay |
| 14:02.10 | stew | callee_: what version of debian is this? |
| 14:02.13 | liable | roxy_: even just the dash version before the one you have |
| 14:02.25 | liable | roxy_: you should have it in cache |
| 14:02.26 | callee_ | i'd like to get rid of those nasty bad-tranlated german error messages anyway |
| 14:02.30 | callee_ | its debian testing |
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| 14:02.43 | abrotman | !tell mariusx about root |
| 14:03.03 | sirius_ | brb |
| 14:03.09 | liable | !baah |
| 14:03.09 | dpkg | baaaaaaaah |
| 14:03.11 | onetinsoldier | callee_: i think maybe the list you're looing for is the... /var/lib/cache/dpkg/status ...file |
| 14:03.23 | roxy_ | liable, can I see with dpkg -l ? |
| 14:03.28 | alexbodn | brb? |
| 14:03.55 | liable | roxy_: yeah, dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 14:04.04 | liable | !brb |
| 14:04.04 | dpkg | liable: brb, too. Be Right Back |
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| 14:04.06 | onetinsoldier | callee_: or did you get the package problem fixed? |
| 14:04.15 | mariusx2 | thanks. forgot I was su. |
| 14:04.27 | stew | callee_: if you can't give it to us in english, just give it to us in german then. |
| 14:04.44 | liable | i need a chiro visit |
| 14:04.54 | liable | schnell |
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| 14:05.15 | mariusx2 | I was wondering if someone could help me get x working in etch. I get an error about no screens found |
| 14:05.36 | liable | !no screens found |
| 14:05.37 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 14:05.44 | callee_ | stew: i'd like those error messages in english myself, german error messages only make sense when i translate them into english, which is completely unnecessary |
| 14:05.53 | roxy_ | liable, dpkg -l gives: linux-image-2.6.486 and 2.6.15-1-486 both ii |
| 14:06.01 | liable | mariusx2: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:06.03 | stew | callee_: dpkg-reconfigure locales ; then logout and back in |
| 14:06.16 | liable | roxy_: hrm, same thing |
| 14:06.17 | mariusx2 | oh ok. (EE) No Devices Detected. |
| 14:06.27 | onetinsoldier | well then the xorg team should consider making it spit out a useful message then? |
| 14:06.43 | iturk | onetinsoldier: thanks |
| 14:06.43 | liable | mariusx2: there is more than just that one line |
| 14:06.44 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 14:06.48 | stew | mariusx2: what driver are you using, what card do you have? |
| 14:06.53 | stew | mariusx2: and what version of debian? |
| 14:06.54 | roxy_ | liable, I installed everything less than a month ago |
| 14:06.54 | onetinsoldier | iturk: you're welcome |
| 14:06.57 | callee_ | stew: wouldnt that anglicanize my whole system? |
| 14:07.01 | stew | yes |
| 14:07.21 | iturk | onetinsoldier: the problems is that the application name was another from console |
| 14:07.24 | mariusx2 | ok. I am using etch 2.6x and I have a ATI redeon Mobility card. |
| 14:08.01 | stew | callee_: if you just want to see this in english, "LANG=C command" |
| 14:08.05 | liable | roxy_: how did you fix your booting prblem? |
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| 14:08.23 | liable | roxy_: i need some background on this problem |
| 14:09.10 | callee_ | stew: as i already said, that does NOT work |
| 14:09.11 | mariusx2 | ok. that log file says lots about font dirs not exsiting. |
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| 14:09.44 | stew | callee_: try "LANG=en_US.UTF-8 dpkg -l " for some locale you actually have generated on your system |
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| 14:10.05 | mariusx2 | the only ee error message though is the one about no devices found |
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| 14:11.57 | liable | mariusx2: dont suppose you can put the logfile on a httpd |
| 14:12.36 | roxy_ | liable: I don't know, I have been advice to "install udev- yaird" . it uninstalled more than 300 packages. Then somone show me a link with same problem I had and he solved it from inside the busybox shell. So I reinstalled udev, remove yaird and rebooted. It rebooted normally, no problem anymore ut no networking and no kde. I chrooted back, installed kde but I am without network |
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| 14:13.14 | stew | roxy_: did you "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" after installing yaird? |
| 14:13.15 | mariusx2 | I am using command line and I am not very good at this. |
| 14:13.41 | mariusx2 | liable: is there any easy way to send if via command line? |
| 14:14.06 | roxy_ | stew, it refused to do it. there were error from install udev- yaird |
| 14:14.07 | stew | mariusx2: which driver are you using? |
| 14:14.17 | stew | roxy_: what error? |
| 14:14.18 | mariusx2 | stew: how do I find that? |
| 14:14.49 | liable | mariusx2: you could dcc me i guess and i will paste it if you like, if i can work out how to accept dcc :) |
| 14:14.56 | stew | mariusx2: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose ati. |
| 14:15.09 | roxy_ | stew, I don't remember and my history doesn't go that far. I think unmet dependency |
| 14:15.56 | stew | mariusx2: have you hand edited your xorg.conf or used some other tool to configure it? |
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| 14:16.56 | mariusx2 | I thought I had configured it all via a tool but that command you gave me brought up a new section. |
| 14:17.27 | mariusx2 | I have a 62meg ati radeon. what do i put for the amount of mem? |
| 14:17.33 | stew | mariusx2: if you configured it with some other tool you need to "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" |
| 14:17.39 | stew | mariusx2: leave it blank |
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| 14:17.48 | mariusx2 | ok |
| 14:18.03 | mariusx2 | kernel framebuffer? |
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| 14:18.19 | stew | !widhe |
| 14:18.20 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
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| 14:20.43 | stew | !xorgmd5 is <reply>If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer word, To see if this is the case "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | diff -sq /var/lib/x11/xorg.confg.md5 -" - if thie files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've mad |
| 14:20.43 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 14:20.50 | liable | !/msg the bot |
| 14:21.29 | liable | i suck |
| 14:21.29 | roxy_ | stew, s/word/work |
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| 14:21.43 | stew | !xorgmd5 =~ s/word/work/ |
| 14:21.44 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 14:21.49 | stew | roxy_: thanks |
| 14:21.51 | thingfish | and s/mad/made |
| 14:21.56 | roxy_ | stew, s/thie/this |
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| 14:22.30 | mariusx2 | stew: ok. I have done that and now I get x: unable to open wrapper and x:user not auth to run Xserver |
| 14:22.31 | stew | roxy_: thanks again (fixed in /msg) |
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| 14:22.48 | stew | mariusx2: "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" and choose "console users" |
| 14:24.09 | roxy_ | liable, for what it is worth: dmesg | grep eth gives: addrconf (netdev_up): eth1: link is not ready / uli526x: eth1 link is down |
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| 14:24.37 | liable | roxy_: ack |
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| 14:24.59 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 14:25.01 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:25.02 | cds | Anyone know how to install amarok with an engine other than xine? |
| 14:25.22 | stew | roxy_: that sounds like a problem with the physical link |
| 14:25.43 | stew | crap. i rm -rf'ed a chroot with /dev/ --bind mounted again |
| 14:25.55 | mariusx2 | stew: ok done that and now I am back to the (EE) no devices error |
| 14:26.14 | stew | mariusx2: what does "lspci | grep VGA" return? |
| 14:26.52 | Netcad | I currently have Windows XP installed on my system, and wish to dual install Linux. I've been doing some research, but a lot of what I'm finding is unclear, and I cannot find a proper tool for partitionaing my HD. Does anyone know anything so as to help me along? |
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| 14:27.53 | liable | roxy_: for shits and giggles, change cables and stuff. |
| 14:28.07 | mariusx2 | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] |
| 14:28.16 | alexbodn | netcad:try ubuntu live cd. then you may do anything with that newly created partition |
| 14:28.40 | roxy_ | stew, no, it looks like: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/5/23/50 and when using knoppix it works without pb |
| 14:28.44 | gavagai | Netcad, ubuntu will give you an easy system for partitioning your drive |
| 14:28.55 | gavagai | Netcad, you may want to defrag windows first |
| 14:29.16 | liable | roxy_: hrm, of course, forgot about that bit, ok, get another kernel. |
| 14:29.56 | mariusx2 | stew: did you see that result from that command you told me to try? |
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| 14:30.16 | roxy_ | liable: just chroot, download and dpkg -i ? |
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| 14:30.20 | gavagai | though actually the debian testing installer is maybe even easier than the ubuntu one if you want to have a bit more control... it will intelligently create seperate /home partition and stuff, it's easy |
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| 14:31.41 | gavagai | i used the debian cd to partition my drive and then installed ubuntu... |
| 14:31.48 | pipeline | gavagai: Ask #ubuntu. |
| 14:31.55 | pipeline | gavagai: We don't do the ubuntu thing. |
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| 14:32.08 | liable | roxy_: well, yeah, i am getting tired and not thinking well, or giving good advice, so i will leave you in the channels hands. |
| 14:32.16 | gavagai | pipeline, please reread what i said then |
| 14:32.25 | gavagai | i am not even asking a question. |
| 14:32.31 | roxy_ | liable: thanks for your help |
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| 14:32.42 | cds | Hrm. I have amarok-engines... |
| 14:32.47 | cds | And only xine appears to be there. |
| 14:32.59 | mariusx2 | stew: here is that result 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] |
| 14:33.03 | stew | mariusx2: put your xorg.conf into a pastebin |
| 14:33.19 | mariusx2 | how do I do that from command line ? |
| 14:33.31 | stew | !pastewithoutx |
| 14:33.32 | dpkg | somebody said pastewithoutx was you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console like drag to select and middle click to insert the selection ; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 14:34.06 | mariusx2 | ok. hold on a tick |
| 14:34.34 | stew | mariusx2: or just please double check this. what do you have in the "Driver" line of the "Devices" section in that file? |
| 14:35.24 | liable | roxy_: np, good luck with it |
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| 14:36.53 | mariusx2 | neomagic |
| 14:37.47 | stew | mariusx2: /msg dpkg xorgmd5 ; then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose ati |
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| 14:38.24 | stew | mariusx2: you don't have a neomagic video card, you have an ati. that's why its failing to find any devices |
| 14:39.41 | mariusx2 | do I type /msg dpkg xorgmd5 or only dpkg xorgmd5 |
| 14:40.07 | stew | !tell mariusx2 about xorgmd5 |
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| 14:43.59 | r121 | when I start my computer, often kdm is running at 640x480 resolution when it should be at 1024x768. When I switch to a console and restart kdm, it goes to the right resolution, but why does it use 640x480 the first time? |
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| 14:44.34 | alexbodn | have you seen "line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl TIOCLINUX called" ? |
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| 14:44.57 | chris77 | r121: Do your computer has your screen switched on at boot? |
| 14:45.22 | mariusx2 | ok. I run that and I didn't get the has been customised error this time. when I run startx I still get the (EE) no devices error |
| 14:45.42 | r121 | chris77: no, often I'll just switch on the power first then the monitor when I finally sit down to it. could that be the problem? |
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| 14:45.58 | chris77 | r121: Yes. |
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| 14:46.49 | r121 | chris77: I suppose it has to probe the monitor for the correct resolution or something. Can I configure kdm to use a default resolution even when the monitor is off during boot up. |
| 14:47.38 | mariusx2 | stew: how can I view the config with out using nano which seems to set it to modified even if I dont change things |
| 14:50.00 | alexbodn | bye all |
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| 14:50.23 | onetinsoldier | mariusx2: how about using 'less' if you're just viewing.... or install vim and use 'vi' as your editor |
| 14:51.37 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:51.38 | dpkg | <peterS> abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing |
| 14:52.00 | mariusx2 | ok. I used less and even after the config program was able to save it still has driver as "neomagic" |
| 14:52.21 | liable | mariusx2: edit it with an editor then |
| 14:52.39 | liable | mariusx2: or move the file elsewhere and drxx again |
| 14:52.44 | mariusx2 | to be just "ati" |
| 14:52.55 | mariusx2 | oh yeah I might try that first. |
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| 14:55.20 | liable | xorg is about the only thing you can do that with the conf file |
| 14:55.34 | liable | good thing though really |
| 14:55.48 | liable | cept ~/. stuff |
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| 14:57.19 | mariusx2 | q |
| 14:57.27 | mariusx2 | ho |
| 14:57.29 | mariusx2 | who |
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| 14:58.04 | phaedrus44 | England wins |
| 14:58.05 | mariusx2 | x |
| 14:58.06 | mariusx2 | z |
| 14:58.07 | mariusx2 | c |
| 14:58.17 | liable | mariusx2: stop it |
| 14:58.37 | liable | phaedrus44: 1 : 0 ?? |
| 14:58.40 | ricky_clarkson | I was about to become +o and remove him then realised I was in the wrong channel. |
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| 14:58.50 | phaedrus44 | yah.. |
| 14:59.00 | liable | roxy_: arent you an oper here? |
| 14:59.06 | mariusx | Cool. thanks Guys. I think I go it. X started up and loaded gnome Session |
| 14:59.09 | phaedrus44 | no time for Trinidad to kick ass |
| 14:59.10 | phaedrus44 | hehe |
| 14:59.37 | roxy_ | liable, no |
| 14:59.42 | gavagai | england england england england GOAL, it's a goal... |
| 14:59.57 | liable | roxy_: sorry, bad nicktab. |
| 15:00.05 | phaedrus44 | God save the Queen |
| 15:00.09 | roxy_ | :-) |
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| 15:00.23 | liable | nite |
| 15:00.47 | mariusx | quit |
| 15:00.58 | liable | no |
| 15:01.05 | liable | just sleep :P |
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| 15:04.29 | wizzo | I've been trying to figure this out for a while now. I'm running Testing and I can't get Xorg to turn off my display when it's idle. I've tried putting OffTime in the serverlayout in the config, I've tried using gnome-power-manager but nothing happens. When I close the lid it turns off and when I run xset dpms force off it goes off but it just wont go off when the computer is idle. |
| 15:04.41 | wizzo | Maybe someone can help with that. |
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| 15:06.44 | onetinsoldier | wizzo: in your conf file under... Section "Monitor" do you have... Option "DPMS" ...? |
| 15:07.03 | wizzo | onetinsoldier: Yes, it's the default config with a few changes I made. |
| 15:07.11 | onetinsoldier | ok.. i dunno, sorry |
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| 15:07.17 | wizzo | onetinsoldier: That is why I'm stumped |
| 15:07.22 | wizzo | K |
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| 15:09.58 | Zvpun | where does Debian unset ROOT (env variable)? http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2006/01/msg00128.html |
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| 15:12.25 | stew | mariusx2: you can use less or more to view a file. |
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| 15:16.22 | Zvpun | I have lots of broken links in /etc/alternatives is there a suggested way to remove them or should I just rm? |
| 15:17.32 | stew | Zvpun: update-alternatives --config alternativename |
| 15:18.36 | Zvpun | stew: but I dont want to do it by hand for all of them |
| 15:20.02 | ma3x | usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
| 15:20.02 | ma3x | usb 3-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 |
| 15:20.09 | ma3x | why do I get these fuckin usb resets? |
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| 15:22.28 | jayeola | do you have "usb verbose messages" enabled? |
| 15:22.44 | chx | how could I force apt-get to overwrite files? dpkg --force-overwrite works but how could I tell the same to apt-get ? (it's just a text file, not a config one, so it's not important) |
| 15:22.58 | ma3x | jayeola, how the hell you enable that? |
| 15:23.00 | tnews | hello. i'm currently in the debian installer. i cant seem to figure out how to choose what partitions to use.. the only partition method i get to choose is "manually edit partition table" |
| 15:23.10 | tnews | and there i dont understand how to pick a partition as root etc.. |
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| 15:23.50 | stew | Zvpun: you could do something like "for a in /etc/alternatives/* ; do if [ ! -e $(readlink -f $a) ] ; then update-alternatives --auto $(basename $a) ; fi ; done |
| 15:24.01 | stew | (i think, untested) |
| 15:25.01 | hjubal | hi |
| 15:25.18 | Zvpun | stew: thanks |
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| 15:27.44 | tnews | could someone guide me through partitioning? it gives me "configure software raid"(i do not have raid), "configure LVM"(i do not have that either), "guided partitioning"(just gets me back to the same screen..), "help on partitioning" (it doesnt really help), then theres two blank entries, then undo chnages and finish |
| 15:28.51 | tnews | would someone be able to help? |
| 15:28.58 | LoneWlf | tnews: I'd go for the LVM, but no, I can't guide you thru the install, been too long since I've done it |
| 15:29.30 | tnews | well, i do not have lvm. i have two reiserfs partitions that i'd like to use on this install |
| 15:29.34 | tnews | but i have no idea how to pick them.. |
| 15:29.41 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 15:29.47 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:30.48 | LoneWlf | tnews: you have 2 reiserfs partitions... *hrms* so you don't want to partition the box, you want to initialize a previously partitioned partition... I guess... |
| 15:31.06 | tnews | LoneWlf: yes |
| 15:31.07 | LoneWlf | tnews: again, I haven't been in the installer for a _minute_ |
| 15:31.13 | setog3 | --------------------------------------- |
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| 15:31.16 | LoneWlf | tnews, but that used to be an option |
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| 15:31.57 | chx | I found my answer at http://lists.debian.org/deity/1999/06/msg00021.html now may I ask how could I get this into apt.conf ? |
| 15:33.48 | LoneWlf | chx: alias apt-get='apt-get -o dpkg::options="--force-overwrite"' |
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| 15:34.38 | tnews | "select a partition to specify how it's used" it says.. but only thing i see is those options i listed.. i wondered if those blank entries could be my partitions, but if it is i couldnt be able to figure how to select them :) |
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| 15:35.36 | LoneWlf | tnews: the other thing is, you might want to double check that reiserfs is supported using the default boot of the install cd, you might have to specify that |
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| 15:35.53 | LoneWlf | tnews: it might be that the installer just can't see those partitions |
| 15:36.09 | chx | LoneWlf: won't it be better to put that into apt.conf somehow? |
| 15:36.11 | tnews | LoneWlf: i just tried to mount it from the console in the installer, it mounted fine |
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| 15:37.02 | LoneWlf | chx: the reason its an option is because it shouldn't always be necessary... let me go back and see what your original question was |
| 15:37.12 | Zvpun | tnews: sry didn't follow you, maybe I can help you |
| 15:37.37 | LoneWlf | tnews: ok... so that theory's out the windows |
| 15:37.38 | tnews | Zvpun: thanks, my problem is that i can't seem to figure how to pick the partitions to install on |
| 15:37.48 | uwe | um ... im getting a page with logo and name directNIC when i try to go to www.debian.org ! am i missing something?!!! |
| 15:38.17 | Zvpun | tnews: I dont have the menu list infront of me. could you msg me your options? |
| 15:38.18 | chx | LoneWlf: the problem is that i have downloaded a beta .deb which conflicts with kdelibs on a simple textfile |
| 15:38.41 | LoneWlf | chx: and you were going to integrate that with apt-get how? |
| 15:38.53 | Ronin | works fine here uwe |
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| 15:39.12 | uwe | hmmm ... could it be my dns!! strange |
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| 15:39.41 | chx | LoneWlf: well, as long as that .deb is installed (and as it's ktorrent 2.0beta it'll remain i think) any updates against kdelibs is choking |
| 15:39.42 | uwe | here its says www.debian.org is 192.25.206.10 |
| 15:40.05 | chx | LoneWlf: maybe i should remove ktorrent, change its .deb and reinstall? i am not too proficient in stuff like that |
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| 15:40.33 | ehj20 | Can I use the debian partitioner on the install disk to extend a partition, without destroying the data on said partition? |
| 15:40.47 | Zvpun | tnews: Manually edit partition table |
| 15:41.06 | LoneWlf | chx: well... let me be blunt... I don't know how to put it in apt.conf I'd have to read the man page and experiment |
| 15:41.11 | onetinsoldier | chx: i believe i know of a file you can edit to get apt/dpkg to stop complaining... but you will want to be very careful. you would edit it at your own risk |
| 15:41.22 | uwe | why would that possibly happen!!! |
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| 15:43.02 | tnews | Zvpun: i msged you with all the options now |
| 15:43.21 | DaBlade | Does anyone know what command line options you need to have shred remove directories and their contents? |
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| 15:43.32 | DaBlade | *just* shred refuses to remove directories. |
| 15:44.17 | chx | onetinsoldier: I will be cautious and of course it's my own risk |
| 15:44.22 | Zvpun | tnews: ok |
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| 15:44.39 | chx | onetinsoldier: I regularly run alpha state operating systems on this PC, I have no fear :) |
| 15:45.14 | onetinsoldier | chx: ok.... make a backup of the file first.... it's /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:45.14 | chx | onetinsoldier: if something goes wrong, i ditch the OS partition and reinstall. This is not Windows where the OS is mixed with user data... |
| 15:45.16 | LoneWlf | chx: less /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf |
| 15:45.22 | LoneWlf | chx: there is an example in there |
| 15:45.24 | DaBlade | hello? |
| 15:45.33 | LoneWlf | chx: also, read the manpage |
| 15:45.47 | onetinsoldier | chx: if anyting doesn't sit well after editing.. then use the backup. it should work out ok though |
| 15:46.29 | Zvpun | tnews: I answerd you, are you there? |
| 15:46.30 | chx | onetinsoldier: OK and what do I want to change in here? there is no list of files in this file |
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| 15:47.03 | onetinsoldier | it's not exactly a list of files... it should have lilnes that have package names tho! |
| 15:47.08 | onetinsoldier | *lines |
| 15:47.11 | chx | onetinsoldier: yeah |
| 15:47.14 | tnews | Zvpun: i think you need to register, i didnt get anything. freenode blocks pms for unregistered. /msg nickserv register <password> |
| 15:47.35 | Zvpun | tnews: shit, right, 1 sec |
| 15:47.44 | chx | (maybe I should raise the Priority: of kdelibs to required from optional?) |
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| 15:47.54 | ram_einstein | I'm a GNU/Linux user and it's been a while since I was on Debian. Which iso should I get if I want the bleeding edge newest as opposed to the stable one? |
| 15:48.06 | onetinsoldier | chx: search on the package name of your 'beta' package |
| 15:48.13 | chx | done |
| 15:48.13 | dafen | hmmmm... wonder which emulator is the best for running MAC os softwares |
| 15:48.28 | pipeline | dafen: maconlinux, duh :P |
| 15:48.38 | dafen | maconlinux? is ita debian package? |
| 15:48.41 | ram_einstein | I think a full cd is a waste of download time as I'd need to update all the software on it after downloading anyway. Right? |
| 15:48.48 | dafen | I have some controling software |
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| 15:49.04 | dafen | but the operation machine has no MAC computers |
| 15:49.19 | Zvpun | tnews: should work now |
| 15:50.19 | onetinsoldier | chx: have you found it in there yet? |
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| 15:50.30 | LoneWlf | ram_einstein, unstable is sid |
| 15:50.45 | chx | onetinsoldier: for sure, when I said "done" that was for you (sorry for not prefixing) |
| 15:50.57 | LoneWlf | ram_einstein, but as dpkg says, if you have to ask what is it or where do I install it from, maybe you shouldn't use it? |
| 15:51.05 | Zvpun | tnews: There should be a "Manually edit partition table" some pages befor. |
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| 15:51.27 | ram_einstein | LoneWlf: you have a point |
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| 15:51.40 | ram_einstein | I think I should figure that after a download |
| 15:51.44 | onetinsoldier | chx: ok.. me too, sorry. uhmmm, does it have a line for conflicts? example: Conflicts: autoconf (<= 2.12), automake (<= 1.3), libtool1.4 |
| 15:51.45 | LoneWlf | lol |
| 15:51.53 | tnews | ram_einstein: try http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer - you a find a testing netinstaller there |
| 15:52.03 | LoneWlf | ram_einstein, yeah, and personally, I always install stable and upgrade myself to unstable |
| 15:52.05 | chx | onetinsoldier: no |
| 15:52.12 | ram_einstein | tnews: netinst is good? okay |
| 15:52.28 | ram_einstein | LoneWlf: okay, that's what I'll do too then |
| 15:52.44 | onetinsoldier | chx: ok. well what os the error message you are getting from apt and/or dpkg? |
| 15:52.45 | ram_einstein | stable is too stable for my needs :P |
| 15:53.04 | onetinsoldier | s/os/is |
| 15:53.08 | ehj20 | ram_einstein: Why not use testing? |
| 15:53.13 | ram_einstein | tnews: or I see that the businesscard is even smaller. Should I use it? |
| 15:53.23 | MariusX | hello ppl. I got a boot problem with grub. when I boot to windows I get an error that says about <windows root>\system32\hal.dll is missing or currupt. and when I boot to linux it hangs on looking for root file system. |
| 15:53.27 | MariusX | what can I do? |
| 15:53.27 | tnews | ram_einstein: I don't know :) |
| 15:53.33 | ram_einstein | ehj20: okay, is there an iso for a testing base system |
| 15:54.01 | chx | onetinsoldier: pm'd you |
| 15:54.05 | ram_einstein | MariusX: wipe trash like winblows and fix grub to point to the right partition |
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| 15:54.47 | ram_einstein | tnews: okay, netinst might be a safe bet. I'm currently on Gentoo and am extremely (!) unhappy with it |
| 15:54.48 | MariusX | I can't wipe windows. Still need it. how can I find the right partition? |
| 15:55.10 | ram_einstein | MariusX: use fdisk -l from another OS |
| 15:55.19 | ehj20 | ram_einstein: yes, well there's a netinst iso at least. |
| 15:55.22 | ram_einstein | then find out where / and /boot ae |
| 15:55.28 | onetinsoldier | chx: that's a pretty simple file.. do you really care which package installs x-bittorrent.desktop? if not.. then just force install kdelibs-data |
| 15:55.41 | DaBlade | Does anyone know how to make shred remove entire directories and all their content? |
| 15:55.46 | ram_einstein | ehj20: so I'll take that. And I'll ask it to download testing packages |
| 15:56.13 | MariusX | when waiting for root file system fails it drops to a basic command line. can I use that some how? |
| 15:56.15 | ram_einstein | DaBlade: shred removes files, not directories |
| 15:56.26 | ram_einstein | parse into the directory tree and remove the files in it |
| 15:56.31 | ram_einstein | then rmdir the directory |
| 15:56.45 | chx | onetinsoldier: yeah, i solved with dpkg -i --force-overwrite for now, but I am seeking for a more permanent solution where apt-get upgrade can run |
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| 15:57.13 | ehj20 | ram_einstein: just trying to find the link |
| 15:57.38 | onetinsoldier | chx: after force installing it apt still complains? |
| 15:57.59 | ram_einstein | ehj20: I can download netinst iso, that's not a problem now. I'll do that and get back to you |
| 15:59.06 | ehj20 | ram_einstein: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:59.44 | ram_einstein | ehj20: yes, I found it. Thank you |
| 16:00.24 | ram_einstein | don't you guys have x86_64 isos? |
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| 16:00.31 | ram_einstein | I'm on amd64 |
| 16:00.46 | onetinsoldier | chx: hello? |
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| 16:00.56 | stew | !amd64 |
| 16:00.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 16:01.26 | MariusX | ram_einstein: can I somehow find the partitions on the system with BusyBox? |
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| 16:01.54 | vinboy | can this patch (patch-2.6.16-ck12.bz2) applied to kernel (2.6.16.18)? |
| 16:01.57 | chx | onetinsoldier: sorry , back |
| 16:02.21 | onetinsoldier | chx: ok... so is apt stil complaining after forcei installing it? |
| 16:02.25 | chx | onetinsoldier: well, when i force installed with dpkg , it does not , for now, but i guess it will in the next update |
| 16:02.41 | onetinsoldier | chx: i don't think it will... ;-) |
| 16:02.48 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Is there any way to force my bind9 not to listen on one specific IP but listen on all others? |
| 16:03.03 | onetinsoldier | chx: i think your problem is solved. :) |
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| 16:03.43 | MariusX | does anyone know how to get a partition list from inside BusyBox? |
| 16:04.17 | DavS | vinboy: i think you need to apply it to 2.6.16 |
| 16:04.19 | onetinsoldier | MariusX: how about fdisk -l ...? |
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| 16:04.31 | MariusX | says not found |
| 16:04.45 | onetinsoldier | MariusX: the fdisk command? |
| 16:04.52 | DavS | vinboy: it includes all the patches up to 2.6.16.17 |
| 16:04.59 | DavS | vinboy:last time i checked.. |
| 16:05.00 | MariusX | yeah fdisk: not found |
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| 16:05.42 | LoneWlf | MariusX, busybox fdisk /dev/hdx |
| 16:05.47 | vinboy | DavS: u mean i should download 2.16.16 and aply the patch? |
| 16:05.49 | onetinsoldier | MariusX: do you have the util-linux package installed? |
| 16:06.02 | onetinsoldier | MariusX: try apt-get install util-linux |
| 16:06.04 | DavS | vinboy: exactly. |
| 16:06.35 | vinboy | DavS: do I get the stuff in (e.g. 2.6.16.13)? |
| 16:06.35 | DavS | vinboy: the result will be a 2.6.16.17 kernel with the ck patches. |
| 16:06.40 | vinboy | cool |
| 16:06.54 | DavS | vinboy: yes.. everything up to .17 |
| 16:07.02 | vinboy | so the ck actually includes those little kernel patches |
| 16:07.07 | LoneWlf | MariusX, er... busybox fdisk -l /dev/hdx |
| 16:07.40 | DavS | vinboy: actually just went to the site, he's now got up to .20. so he's up to date.. |
| 16:08.06 | MariusX | none of that works. seems like it is a completely cut down version when linux fails to load. :( |
| 16:08.40 | onetinsoldier | MariusX: do you have the util-linux package installed? |
| 16:08.52 | MariusX | I dont know? |
| 16:08.59 | MariusX | how do I find out? |
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| 16:09.01 | onetinsoldier | dpkg -l util-linux |
| 16:09.02 | dpkg | No packages found matching util-linux |
| 16:09.33 | vinboy | DavS: where does it says it's up to .20? |
| 16:09.55 | vinboy | oh |
| 16:10.02 | vinboy | i found it DavS |
| 16:10.05 | onetinsoldier | !util-linux |
| 16:10.06 | vinboy | thx |
| 16:10.09 | DavS | vinboy: great |
| 16:10.09 | vinboy | :D |
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| 16:11.01 | MariusX | if I boot a live cd will I see the partions? |
| 16:11.06 | MariusX | partitions? |
| 16:11.11 | tnews | Hello. I am in the Debian installer.. I'm currnetly in the "Manually edit partition table" step.. Problem is, it doesnt list any of my harddrives.. The only harddrives I got is two SATA drives, they're detected fine and mount'ing them manually works.. |
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| 16:11.50 | tarzeau | tnews: that's normal |
| 16:12.04 | tnews | well, how do i choose to install on any of them :P |
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| 16:16.15 | hound | Is there a way through resource limits to specify maximum memory usage for certain applications? I'd like to limit Evolution which has many times taken down my system as it goes crazy eating up my memory. I expect Linux to kill apps that go crazy like that, and sometimes it does if I wait long enough, maybe I have something misconfigured? |
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| 16:18.19 | tnews | Hello. I'm currently in the Debian installer.. This is a testing dvd-iso snapshot.. I got two SATA harddrives, they work fine hereb y mounting them maually. But in the "manually edit partiton table" step it does not list any of harddrives.D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D. |
| 16:18.28 | tnews | How would i pick what partitions to install on? |
| 16:19.06 | polishkoop | Hey all, I'm using debian etch and my GUI isn't working properly. Whenever I load it up, my keyboard doesn't work and I can't get the green menu box when I go into the black/white area. |
| 16:20.24 | DavS | polishkoop: whats a green menu box? |
| 16:20.55 | polishkoop | DavS: a friend said that when I click and hold in the black/white area I should get a green menu or something. I'm pretty new with linux so I'm not 100% sure. |
| 16:21.06 | chx | onetinsoldier: ok thanks |
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| 16:22.24 | noahz | Hello, I'm on a relatively fresh install, trying to 'downgrade' back to stable after experimenting with some unstable packages |
| 16:22.50 | blondie | you can't really downgrade |
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| 16:22.59 | blondie | well, depends what you installed |
| 16:23.00 | noahz | everything except for libc6 and tzdata worked properly |
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| 16:23.28 | noahz | I followed these instructions: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html |
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| 16:24.15 | noahz | if I can't downgrade, I can't downgrade; unfortunate but I can live with that |
| 16:24.20 | noahz | but it seems like I'm so close |
| 16:24.26 | onetinsoldier | chx: you're welcome |
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| 16:24.47 | noahz | I just installed postgres from unstable |
| 16:25.43 | HelmutG | liable: thanks again for pbuilder, I now have a working python2.5 (dunno why debian guys are unable to compile that themselves) |
| 16:26.26 | onetinsoldier | hound: hello. try the bash builtin command... ulimit (see man bash) |
| 16:27.36 | hound | onetinsoldier, ah good thinking. thanks |
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| 16:28.06 | onetinsoldier | hound: you're welcome. i can't help with it's usage, i'm just aware of the command. hope it does help |
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| 16:29.12 | coyote10 | i am learning english in its channel!!! |
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| 16:31.23 | HelmutG | Can I someone tell me how to prevent pbuilder from removing the chroot after the build failed? |
| 16:32.06 | ehj20 | noahz: have you looked at backports, to get newer versions of software on stable? |
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| 16:32.39 | noahz | I solved my problem. dpkg --force-overwrite is my friend |
| 16:32.57 | thingfish | heh just wait. |
| 16:32.57 | ehj20 | (not sure if that's relevant for you, mind) |
| 16:32.59 | noahz | ehj20: I will look into that. I suspect that is all I need |
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| 16:34.58 | ehj20 | noahz: I put php5 onto stable quite easily from the dotdeb.org repository |
| 16:36.03 | ehj20 | noahz: for example |
| 16:36.11 | noahz | yeah, I decided that I don't want to deviate from stable for security purposes |
| 16:36.31 | noahz | but I do need some newer stuff like mod_python 2.4, and postgres 8.x and php5 |
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| 16:37.32 | hocus | hi what packages i've to include in apt-get install string to upgrade kde to vers. 3.5 ? |
| 16:37.38 | hocus | (i'm backports enabled) |
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| 16:39.12 | onetinsoldier | hocus: have you tried apt-get install kde? i don't know how backports work exactly. maybe it'd be apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 16:40.14 | epsilon | hocus: if your backport source has 3.5 package, install these packages as usual |
| 16:40.22 | hocus | i mean i just do apt-get install kde ? or something like apt-get install kde kdebase-data |
| 16:40.30 | hocus | ... etc |
| 16:40.48 | epsilon | update, then install <packages provided by backport source> |
| 16:43.17 | noahz | ok, next question: my host did not provide a development toolkit with their base debian image. What is the easiest way to install a gcc and all that? |
| 16:44.04 | Noboru | night folks |
| 16:45.30 | epsilon | noahz: apt-get install <foo> |
| 16:46.07 | hocus | tried apt-get install kde |
| 16:46.12 | hocus | but complains about depends |
| 16:46.13 | hocus | :( |
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| 16:46.24 | noahz | epsilon: I installed some of the obvious packages with apt-get, but I'm obviously missing something |
| 16:46.28 | noahz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.27 | hocus | what i've to do ? |
| 16:48.03 | noodl | Hi. I'm trying to build apache1.3 from source but having dificulties with dbm. With redhat, I'd grab the srpm and look at the .spec. Where might I look to see how debian packages are compiled? |
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| 16:48.56 | radman119 | howdy |
| 16:49.13 | radman119 | anybody alive? |
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| 16:49.46 | polishkoop | Hey all, I'm running debian etch but my keyboard doesn't work once I get into the GUI. I end up having to reboot my computer from my tower. How can I fix this? |
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| 16:52.40 | polishkoop | Hey all, I'm running debian etch but my keyboard doesn't work once I get into the GUI. I end up having to reboot my computer from my tower. How can I fix this? |
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| 16:56.29 | polishkoop | Hey all, I'm running debian etch but my keyboard doesn't work once I get into the GUI. I end up having to reboot my computer from my tower. How can I fix this? |
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| 16:56.59 | polytarp | HEY GUYS |
| 16:57.03 | polytarp | ARE YOU FGROM ###LINUX |
| 16:57.05 | noodl | polishkoop: Stop repeating your question. If someone knows the answer, they'll tell you. |
| 16:57.06 | polytarp | UI WANT A GLNE OKAY |
| 16:57.12 | sirius | polishkoop Only thing i can think of is try redoing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg either auto detect keyboard or if you know it answer it manualy. and dont spam please |
| 16:57.24 | polytarp | HEY GUYS |
| 16:57.29 | polytarp | CAN I GET A GLINE OVER HERE |
| 16:57.31 | polytarp | ???? |
| 16:57.32 | blondie | tard |
| 16:57.43 | sirius | lmao |
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| 16:58.27 | sirius | polishkoop: Tell me how that goes |
| 16:58.32 | amee2k | lol |
| 16:59.27 | amee2k | prob with umounting: device busy. how can i display locks and their processes again? |
| 16:59.37 | noodl | lsof? |
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| 16:59.58 | qbit | lsof | grep dirname |
| 17:00.00 | amee2k | yep |
| 17:00.02 | amee2k | ty |
| 17:00.20 | amee2k | somehow i f.ing can't remember this command o.O |
| 17:00.54 | qbit | :P .. just think "list open files" |
| 17:00.59 | noodl | heh, list open files. tricky, that one :) |
| 17:01.00 | qbit | lsof |
| 17:01.04 | qbit | :P |
| 17:01.47 | amee2k | hehe |
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| 17:02.36 | noodl | Ok, I'll try rephrasing. I suspect that the debian package for apache1.3 has patches to enable it to find a suitable dbm library. How might I find these patches? |
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| 17:07.44 | Silent_al | <Silent_al> - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM. |
| 17:08.37 | magyar | what are diffindexes? |
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| 17:09.35 | hocus | hi alsaconf returns Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). and says no supp. cards how do i make alsa use ca0106 module ? |
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| 17:10.01 | varsendaggr | hey how do i change the time it takes my dhcp lease to expire |
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| 17:10.42 | tech | I got a problem, I'm trying to isntall Debian Etch dvd-iso snapshot (a recent one). Well I only got two SATA drives, It detects them, and I'm able to mount them manually from the console while being in the installer. The installer only shows the option "Manaully edit partition table" on this step: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/658/11.gif , and when I go there, it only shows the first four options and the two last options as shown on |
| 17:10.44 | tech | this screenshot: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/658/13.gif |
| 17:13.15 | callee | i have a serious problem with x: sometimes my mousecursor gets stuck at left screen border an i cannot move it from there one |
| 17:13.18 | callee | one=on |
| 17:13.57 | kronoz | lol |
| 17:13.58 | kronoz | sorry |
| 17:14.12 | callee | this issue doesnt exist with kernel 2.6.14.6 |
| 17:14.13 | zinx | callee: try unplugging your mouse and plugging it back in |
| 17:14.33 | callee | however any later kernel version shows that behavior |
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| 17:15.03 | callee | unplugging doesnt help |
| 17:16.20 | callee | http://rafb.net/paste/results/l4vCw332.html |
| 17:16.25 | callee | thats what dmesg shows |
| 17:16.35 | callee | i am trying to remove the hub completely |
| 17:16.47 | elliptic | no op on flood to kick boulzor ? |
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| 17:20.28 | magyar | looking for denyhosts |
| 17:21.24 | phaedrus44 | goo TRINIDAD! |
| 17:21.47 | jonas21 | does anyone know offhand how to correct the lack of fonts for flashplayer-mozilla in sid? |
| 17:22.30 | hocus | where i can find kernel-sources for 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 17:26.51 | kronoz | goo SWEDEN! |
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| 17:27.53 | oom | Hi, i have network install cd. how can i boot already installed debian from harddisk. which parameter do i need? linux dev=/dev/hdb doesn't work. |
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| 17:31.00 | hocus | make in alsa returns make[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source' |
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| 17:31.16 | hocus | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop. |
| 17:31.23 | hocus | how do i fix ? |
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| 17:32.32 | dak | that kernel is pretty old |
| 17:32.58 | dak | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.16.20 |
| 17:33.14 | hocus | i know but i want to setup alsa there ;) |
| 17:33.16 | dak | also check out /usr/doc/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.gz |
| 17:33.32 | dak | did u do "make menuconfig" ? |
| 17:33.37 | dak | or "make config" |
| 17:33.38 | dak | ? |
| 17:33.47 | dak | im guessing no |
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| 17:34.11 | hocus | make: *** No rule to make target `menuconfig'. Stop. |
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| 17:34.25 | dak | you dont have the kernel source |
| 17:34.38 | hocus | i don't wanna setup the kernel but alsa ;( |
| 17:34.48 | hocus | i've the kernel sources for 2.6.8 |
| 17:34.51 | hocus | not for 2.6.8-2 |
| 17:34.56 | hocus | (686) |
| 17:35.00 | dak | dude go read some doc's |
| 17:35.04 | dak | a howto. |
| 17:35.05 | dak | 1 sec |
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| 17:35.23 | jonas21 | if you can't help him then just say so |
| 17:35.27 | dak | i can |
| 17:35.32 | dak | but its pretty simple stuff you can read |
| 17:36.03 | hocus | it's not simple that ./configure in alsa returns good nd make in alsa returns error |
| 17:36.04 | hocus | ;( |
| 17:36.10 | jonas21 | can't/not going to =) |
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| 17:37.17 | dak | jonas i was using this before you had a pc, so its not a cant |
| 17:37.20 | dak | http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 17:37.20 | qbit | use module-assistant |
| 17:37.21 | dak | have fun |
| 17:37.37 | dak | you really might learn some thing if you read, thats why they teach it in 1st grade in school. |
| 17:37.41 | qbit | select alsa and wait whilst it builds all the drivers |
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| 17:38.58 | jonas21 | you were using what before i had a pc |
| 17:39.03 | dak | linux |
| 17:39.09 | hocus | qbit i've alsa 1.0.11 installed but i lacks driver ca0106 that i need for the soundblaster; alsa site says how to compile a new but the process breaks |
| 17:39.11 | jonas21 | linux wasn't written yet when i got my first pc |
| 17:39.18 | dak | and im not about to go at it with a troll |
| 17:39.21 | dak | ignored |
| 17:39.23 | hocus | at make make[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source' |
| 17:39.40 | jonas21 | heh, you're the one trolling ;) all you're doing is telling the guy to go read the docs and calling him stupid |
| 17:39.48 | qbit | hocus: cool.. try module-assistant .. i will help ya more if it doesn't work |
| 17:39.58 | dak | i didnt say stupid once, dont put words in my mouth |
| 17:40.42 | dak | and its all in text so scroll up if your memory is bad. |
| 17:40.45 | dak | if you cant read then well i guess you are stupid, and thats not ment to him but you because uh my words are right infront of your face. |
| 17:40.50 | qbit | any of you cats played around with bluetooth and cell phones? |
| 17:41.59 | jonas21 | qbit, i haven't :( |
| 17:42.18 | dak | i have |
| 17:42.32 | qbit | dak, did you get anywhere with it? :P |
| 17:42.45 | dak | kinda |
| 17:42.52 | dak | i dont have the time for it |
| 17:43.26 | dak | its not as great as people make it sound to be |
| 17:43.27 | beardy | !wayc hocus |
| 17:43.28 | dpkg | hocus: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 17:43.42 | dak | what gotta be 20 or 30 feet next to the person kinda sucks |
| 17:43.51 | hocus | 'cause i've alsa but it lacks the module ca0106 |
| 17:43.57 | hocus | and i desperately need that |
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| 17:44.52 | qbit | i have good uses for it. |
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| 17:48.35 | hocus | module-assistant is about to complete but it didn't compiled ca0106 ;( |
| 17:48.46 | Aquarina | hi |
| 17:50.06 | hocus | someone has ca0106.ko ? |
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| 17:52.02 | qbit | hocus, after it finishes run alsaconf |
| 17:52.32 | hocus | running alsaconf |
| 17:53.15 | phaedrus44 | TRINIDAD-TOBAGO!!!! woooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 17:53.18 | phaedrus44 | sorry ...caps |
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| 17:54.21 | hocus | it lists my sound card but then prints Loading driver... and a huge list of warning |
| 17:54.32 | hocus | /etc/modprobe.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS etc |
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| 17:55.08 | hocus | and doing modprobe snd-ca0106 returns 4 pages of waring |
| 17:55.10 | bonez39 | I just ran apt-get upgrade and libfreetype6 was upgraded.....just curious.what does FreeType do on my Debian 3.1 system? |
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| 17:55.17 | hocus | warning* |
| 17:55.30 | hocus | WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS line 58: ignoring bad line starting with 'blacklist' |
| 17:55.59 | hocus | doing alsamixer returns alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 17:58.52 | hocus | why after Loading driver... it says amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 17:59.03 | cahoot | hocus: compile the odule with a gcc different from the one used compiling the kernel? |
| 17:59.21 | cahoot | hocus:err- compiled the module with a gcc different from the one used compiling the kernel? |
| 17:59.23 | hocus | i didn't compiled the kernel ;) it's the default one |
| 17:59.48 | hocus | i just picked alsa sources and did module-assistant |
| 18:00.07 | hocus | and end i did alsaconf which recognized my card |
| 18:00.09 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 18:00.10 | dpkg | methinks alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 18:00.15 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 18:00.33 | qbit | anyone know the command to see what version of gcc your kernel was built with? |
| 18:00.36 | hocus | modprobe snd-ca0106 (in my case) return nothing |
| 18:01.11 | jetscreamer | try the others |
| 18:01.12 | hocus | and modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss too |
| 18:01.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:01.29 | hocus | may it need reboot ? |
| 18:01.33 | hocus | to work ? |
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| 18:01.44 | qbit | hocus, doubt it |
| 18:01.48 | hocus | so ? |
| 18:02.01 | cahoot | qbit: grep -i gcc /var/log/kern.log |
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| 18:02.18 | qbit | hocus, do you see the module with you do 'lsmod'? |
| 18:02.31 | hocus | yes |
| 18:02.58 | ma3x | I was just playing some music file with xmms from my usb external hard drive, and then my debian froze. I checked /var/log/syslog, but nothing in there. Just syslog restart. how do I know what caused the frozening? |
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| 18:03.10 | qbit | cahoot, that will work :) |
| 18:03.13 | hocus | and why there's not folder /dev/dsp ? |
| 18:03.18 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.19 | mfdq | hi |
| 18:03.22 | r121 | if I make an image of a Windows XP NTFS partition with the dd command in order to use the drive for something else, then dd the image back on to the drive, will Windows still work? |
| 18:03.27 | jetscreamer | /dev/dsp is oss iirc |
| 18:03.40 | qbit | hocus, modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 18:03.44 | jetscreamer | r121: it works here, i've done it |
| 18:03.46 | qbit | and snd_mixer_oss |
| 18:03.55 | hocus | all returns nothing |
| 18:04.05 | qbit | they won't .. now try to play something |
| 18:04.11 | r121 | jetscreamer: thanks, not a big deal if I have to reinstall it, just wanted to save some trouble |
| 18:04.21 | mfdq | i have a little problem cat >> /dev/lp0 it say bash: /dev/lp0: Permiso denegado. can anyone tell me why? |
| 18:04.24 | jetscreamer | r121: it saves a lot of trouble |
| 18:04.36 | hocus | it's normal i don't have /dev/dsp ? |
| 18:04.51 | valdyn | !wikifaq mfdq Permissions |
| 18:04.51 | dpkg | mfdq: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:05.40 | ma3x | will anybody be able to answer my question? |
| 18:06.01 | valdyn | ma3x: there's no guarantee that errors are logged |
| 18:06.12 | jetscreamer | hocus: think so |
| 18:06.22 | hocus | ? |
| 18:06.22 | valdyn | ma3x: if you want to have a bigger chance of capturing that errors then you need to attach a log on a serial console |
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| 18:06.50 | mfdq | valdyn, its not the problem the problem was this sorry bash: /dev/lp0: Dispositivo o recurso ocupado |
| 18:06.54 | mfdq | device busy |
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| 18:06.57 | mfdq | i dont know why |
| 18:07.12 | lzhang | how do I make a symlink to a samba share on another box? |
| 18:07.16 | valdyn | mfdq: LC_ALL=C before your commands so we actually get english errors |
| 18:07.27 | mfdq | valdyn, ok wait |
| 18:07.30 | valdyn | mfdq: the device is obviously in use |
| 18:07.49 | mfdq | valdyn, bash: /dev/lp0: Device or resource busy |
| 18:08.02 | ma3x | valdyn, how do you do that? what exactly means to attach a log on a serial console? |
| 18:08.03 | valdyn | mfdq: so? |
| 18:08.05 | mfdq | valdyn, when i install with cups. it install righty |
| 18:08.17 | valdyn | ma3x: try google |
| 18:08.18 | mfdq | valdyn, but when i send to install it say that device is busy |
| 18:08.34 | valdyn | mfdq: fuser /dev/lp0 |
| 18:08.55 | mfdq | valdyn, /dev/lp0: 5634 |
| 18:09.09 | dooglus | every time I boot I get a different gdm login screen - some of them are very nice. which package contains all those various gdm themes? |
| 18:09.16 | valdyn | mfdq: task with the pid 5634 is using /dev/lp0 |
| 18:09.44 | mfdq | valdyn, root 5634 0.0 0.1 2884 644 ? S 12:50 0:01 parallel:/dev/lp0 6 root Test Page 1 |
| 18:09.56 | mfdq | ok.. i will kill it |
| 18:10.08 | valdyn | mfdq: that's probably cups printing |
| 18:10.11 | ma3x | valdyn, I still can't understand it. can you provide me with a good explanation link? I'm currently here: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/input.html |
| 18:10.13 | valdyn | mfdq: or trying to print |
| 18:10.21 | valdyn | !serial console |
| 18:10.32 | valdyn | !listkeys serial |
| 18:10.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'serial' by key (9): _default serial ;; serial tty ;; serial port ;; serial ;; serial ata ;; _default serial port ;; root login on serial tty0 ;; serial programming ;; _default root login on serial tty0. |
| 18:10.48 | valdyn | !serial tty |
| 18:10.49 | dpkg | Edit /etc/inittab, at the bottom, there are commented examples, uncomment the ttyS0 line, if you use the first serial port (configure the line if you have to) run 'init q' to reinitialize the /etc/inittab, connect the cable, on the other box, run a terminalprogram, like minicom, telix, or whatever is available on that box/os. |
| 18:11.04 | mfdq | valdyn, ok. now its right.. i will test the print |
| 18:11.04 | jetscreamer | ok check it out: i ran memtest on this box, it didn't take 1 minute before it returned errors. there are 2 memsticks. i took one out and retested. no errors. i put the other in solo, no errors. i put them both back in, 11 passes no errors. wtf. |
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| 18:11.29 | cahoot | jetscreamer: heat related? |
| 18:11.32 | valdyn | jetscreamer: that's nothing unusual |
| 18:11.53 | jetscreamer | yeah i was thinking heat, but it hasn't been hot since i got it on the bench |
| 18:11.57 | valdyn | jetscreamer: heat or static electricity or just bad contacts |
| 18:11.57 | dak | w |
| 18:12.07 | jetscreamer | it 'was' hot at the clients house |
| 18:12.21 | jetscreamer | k i was thinking dust/dirt in contacts |
| 18:12.32 | valdyn | jetscreamer: or oxidation |
| 18:13.01 | Dionisas | hi guys, can i ask some questions? i am student from lithuania, and i am making a lcg-2 grid cluster and gave some problems with OpenPBS. Maybe someOne can help me? |
| 18:13.13 | Dionisas | have |
| 18:13.14 | jetscreamer | heh. 'bench' means 'carpet' in this case |
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| 18:14.01 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner! |
| 18:14.04 | mfdq | valdyn, ok.. now i send to the printer the test page.. but it doesnt print.. how can i check error or sometime like that.. |
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| 18:14.10 | streuner | hi |
| 18:14.20 | valdyn | mfdq: /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 18:14.25 | ma3x | how do I find out the brand and model name of my integrated laptop modem? |
| 18:14.34 | valdyn | mfdq: and for lower level errors , dmesg or /var/log/syslog |
| 18:14.36 | Dionisas | alio can somebody help me ? or not :// |
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| 18:15.02 | jetscreamer | mfdq: what kind of printer |
| 18:15.04 | valdyn | ma3x: you cant find out brands without opening your laptop realy |
| 18:15.14 | mfdq | jetscreamer, deskjet 710c hp |
| 18:15.16 | jetscreamer | Dionisas: i don't even understand what you said |
| 18:15.17 | valdyn | ma3x: but you can find it the important stuff with lspci |
| 18:15.22 | valdyn | s/it/out/ |
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| 18:16.01 | Dionisas | i need to talk with someone who uses or used pbs tool to manage jobs |
| 18:16.15 | Dionisas | so i am asking if someone can help me |
| 18:16.21 | jetscreamer | mfdq: have you ever seen anything resembling mc:par: in dmesg talking about your printer? with my hp, in cups, lp0 never worked, but when i told it to use the mc:par designator, it did work. see also hpoj |
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| 18:16.26 | jetscreamer | !info hpoj |
| 18:16.37 | jetscreamer | see also linux.hp.com |
| 18:16.38 | ma3x | valdyn, 00:08.0 Modem: ALi Corporation M5457 AC'97 Modem Controller. Now how do I find drivers for that modem or how do I make it work? |
| 18:16.39 | Dionisas | because if i will try to same my problem here it will take so time |
| 18:16.40 | valdyn | ma3x: if its a winmodem, that thing really is not a modem but a soundcard, no idea what lspci will call that |
| 18:16.42 | jian1 | I am having difficulty rip off a MAC rom from my mac |
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| 18:16.51 | roxy_ | how can I list all the module loaded by my kernel ? |
| 18:16.55 | mfdq | jetscreamer, mmm wait. |
| 18:16.56 | jian1 | tried copyrom, and stuffit expander |
| 18:16.56 | jetscreamer | lsmod |
| 18:16.58 | jian1 | no work |
| 18:17.00 | valdyn | ma3x: with alsaconf |
| 18:17.11 | jian1 | Basilisk2 .... neither works |
| 18:17.14 | valdyn | ma3x: as i said, this really is a soundcard |
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| 18:17.28 | jian1 | why it's so freaking difficult to rip off a xxxdamn MAC ROM? |
| 18:17.33 | valdyn | ma3x: you need a sound driver for that + a modem daemon, like sl-modem-daemon, _maybe_ |
| 18:17.35 | ma3x | valdyn, but windows displays the modem name, I just don't remember what it is |
| 18:17.47 | jetscreamer | ~info hpoj |
| 18:17.48 | valdyn | ma3x: linux isnt windows |
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| 18:18.15 | jetscreamer | ma3x: you could find what to cat under /proc |
| 18:18.19 | ma3x | valdyn, I know that. Now firstoff, what exactly should I search with alsaconf? should I change the sound driver? |
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| 18:18.35 | valdyn | ma3x: that 'modem' is an additional soundcard |
| 18:18.40 | valdyn | ma3x: a dead simple one |
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| 18:18.43 | jetscreamer | ~find hplij |
| 18:18.53 | roxy_ | jetscreamer: I got 3c59x used by 0, it is my ehternet 3com module, How can I make it used ? |
| 18:19.04 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 18:19.04 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 18:19.09 | valdyn | ma3x: you could try ^^^ |
| 18:19.10 | mfdq | jetscreamer, ok i have the hpoj and hpijs installed |
| 18:19.15 | ma3x | valdyn, ok, that means that I should install additional drivers with alsaconf |
| 18:19.23 | mfdq | jetscreamer, there its a next step? |
| 18:19.25 | jetscreamer | roxy_: it;s loaded |
| 18:19.47 | jetscreamer | mfdq: me i had to go into the cups web interface and tell it to use that mc:par thing |
| 18:19.52 | jetscreamer | then it worked for me |
| 18:19.54 | valdyn | ma3x: maybe, that is not really what alsaconf does though |
| 18:20.01 | jetscreamer | mfdq: ymmv and all that |
| 18:20.16 | mfdq | jetscreamer, mc:par what mean.. sorry for my ignorance.. |
| 18:20.53 | jetscreamer | mfdq: i'm not certain exactly, it's a very long string. it's kinda like a virtual lp port or somehting |
| 18:21.20 | jetscreamer | all i know is i found it in dmesg when hopj loaded and used it. lp0 never did work, that did. |
| 18:22.00 | valdyn | jetscreamer: that depends on the printer model, hp's site lists those |
| 18:22.26 | ma3x | valdyn, I got this response from alsaconf: Following card(s) are found on your system. ali5451 ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 0) and legacy Probe legacy ISA (non-PnP) chips |
| 18:22.38 | ma3x | valdyn, which one should I select/ |
| 18:22.41 | jetscreamer | i had a 710c also |
| 18:22.47 | jetscreamer | or 712c |
| 18:22.57 | pingouin | printing.....under linux..the most painfull thing i ever did...i rather hit my feet whith hammer...less painfull.... |
| 18:23.00 | Gnea | whoa |
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| 18:23.12 | Gnea | that's weird - last night ntp wouldn't even work on the lan, and today it just... works |
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| 18:23.21 | valdyn | ma3x: not the second, you dont have ISA devices |
| 18:23.24 | mfdq | jetscreamer, where i put mc:par ?? |
| 18:23.32 | Gnea | cool, problem solved |
| 18:24.24 | ma3x | valdyn, OK then I got this: Configuring snd-ali5451; Do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound (and /etc/modprobe.conf if present)? |
| 18:24.27 | jetscreamer | mfdq: it was somewhere under the printer propertied in the cups webadmin. where it listed the printer ports... i 'think' there is a custom, and i had to manually enter it. |
| 18:24.43 | jetscreamer | you found the string i take it |
| 18:25.20 | valdyn | ma3x: you may already have the modem driver loaded, do you realise that? |
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| 18:25.38 | valdyn | ma3x: but just answer yes, sure |
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| 18:26.02 | roxy_ | I don't have a /etc/modutils/network file is that ok ? |
| 18:26.21 | Aquarina | hi, |
| 18:26.24 | valdyn | roxy_: yes |
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| 18:26.34 | Aquarina | i'm also having problems with printing |
| 18:26.47 | valdyn | ma3x: snd_intel8x0m <- that's a modem driver, mind the m |
| 18:26.52 | Aquarina | cups=cannot usualy print stuff |
| 18:27.10 | roxy_ | valdyn, should I create one as said in: http://www.itservices.ubc.ca/resnet/Technical_Support/Nics/debian.html |
| 18:27.20 | valdyn | roxy_: why? to achieve what? |
| 18:27.27 | valdyn | roxy_: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:27.38 | roxy_ | valdyn, getting network to work |
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| 18:27.57 | valdyn | roxy_: that file isnt required to get network to work |
| 18:28.07 | Aquarina | is there a cups expert? |
| 18:28.12 | valdyn | roxy_: without any more information its impossible to say if it makes sense at all to have that file |
| 18:28.12 | roxy_ | valdyn, using knoppix it works, using testin it doesn't |
| 18:28.22 | valdyn | roxy_: debian isnt knoppix |
| 18:28.27 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 18:28.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:28.40 | valdyn | roxy_: please /msg dpkg smart questions, and ask smart questions... |
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| 18:29.02 | ukasz | hi |
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| 18:29.13 | ukasz | i have a problem with iptables + imq |
| 18:29.15 | ma3x | valdyn, ok I loaded that driver with alsaconf. Now what is the next step that I have to take to bring the modem in working order? |
| 18:29.30 | valdyn | roxy_: now i can do many wild guesses from this scarce information already but you really want to give detailed information to get precise information |
| 18:29.34 | ukasz | downloaded newest version and patch for imq |
| 18:29.43 | ukasz | patched and chmoded |
| 18:29.47 | valdyn | ma3x: i dont know if that was a modem driver |
| 18:29.47 | ukasz | make make install |
| 18:29.59 | valdyn | ma3x: it might aswell have been your primary soundcard |
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| 18:30.06 | ukasz | and it doesn't coppy libraries for imq |
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| 18:30.16 | valdyn | ma3x: paste the output of lsmod and lspci ( not here ) |
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| 18:30.34 | roxy_ | valdyn, yes sorry about that, I am on it for 24 hours :-) . |
| 18:30.50 | Aquarina | do i need cups-client on the server so other hosts can print? or only on client hosts? |
| 18:31.13 | valdyn | Aquarina: you dont |
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| 18:31.28 | Aquarina | well, that's what i thought |
| 18:31.33 | Aquarina | :-/... |
| 18:31.37 | roxy_ | valdyn, I had testing and got booting problem, I solved them playing with udev, now no problem anymore but netwotk is down. dhcpclient times out |
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| 18:31.44 | ukasz | do you know what might be the problem?? |
| 18:31.52 | ukasz | with that damm iptables |
| 18:31.54 | ukasz | ?? |
| 18:32.07 | valdyn | roxy_: did your network work fine before you messed with udev? |
| 18:32.24 | Aquarina | what could make my printer just print trash instead of my lovely doccuments? |
| 18:32.29 | roxy_ | valdyn, yes and now if I use knoppix it works fine too |
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| 18:32.55 | valdyn | roxy_: can you paste the output of 'ifconfig -a' ? |
| 18:33.19 | Aquarina | and after that my printer becomes jammed (with a red light flashing) |
| 18:33.24 | ma3x | valdyn, here the link of the output of lsmod and lspci: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2792 |
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| 18:33.54 | magyar | looking for denyhosts |
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| 18:34.00 | roxy_ | valdyn, I can't paste :( . I got eth1 up but no ip address |
| 18:34.08 | adaran | i'm looking for a way to avoid that my custom-built .debs install with my uid (but with root instead) - is there any way to override that or do i have to become root to create these debs? |
| 18:34.36 | peterS | magyar: you mean as in 'man hosts_access'? |
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| 18:34.46 | asg | adaran: follow the new maintainer guide (/msg dpkg mg) |
| 18:34.56 | adaran | asg, thanks |
| 18:35.15 | magyar | peterS: nope, a few weeks ago i was able to apt-get denyhosts (etch), not anymore |
| 18:35.23 | valdyn | ma3x: i see 3 probabilties that you need to check yourself: a) your main coundcard driver also drives your modem b) there's a special modem driver to load yet ( it ends with m ) with ali in the name or c) load snd-intel8x0m |
| 18:35.40 | peterS | magyar: yeah it has been thrown out of etch for one reason or another. don't ask me why. |
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| 18:35.56 | peterS | magyar: it still lives in unstable, you're welcome to try the unstable version |
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| 18:36.12 | valdyn | ma3x: the modem daemon is sl-modem-daemon, you need to adjust the config file to use the proper alsa device, that's all |
| 18:36.43 | magyar | peterS: its the only nice ssh attack tool and gets thrown out. Bahh |
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| 18:37.23 | valdyn | roxy_: try the other eth device, naming might have changed |
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| 18:37.47 | ma3x | valdyn, how do I install/launch this daemon and how do I check the 3 possibilities? |
| 18:37.58 | valdyn | roxy_: if you have the same number of ethX devices now in ifconfig -a than you had before then nothing big did change.. ( but probably naming ) |
| 18:38.20 | valdyn | ma3x: you dont know how to load a kernel module? |
| 18:38.38 | usual | Does anyone use etch or sarge on a DL140 G2? |
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| 18:39.10 | jetscreamer | ~find hplij |
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| 18:39.47 | Aquarina | well, i can print test pages from cups web interface |
| 18:39.54 | Aquarina | correctly |
| 18:40.01 | ma3x | valdyn, I do. Is sl-modem-daemon the kernel module? |
| 18:40.06 | Aquarina | but not from mozilla (for exemple) |
| 18:40.30 | roxy_ | valdyn, no, I changed the device, same thing |
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| 18:40.39 | Aquarina | (i mean: not starting a problem and asking that program to print it's work) |
| 18:40.58 | jetscreamer | @find hplij |
| 18:41.03 | jetscreamer | !find hplij |
| 18:41.12 | jetscreamer | damn wassup wid da bots |
| 18:41.13 | Aquarina | jetscreamer: hum? |
| 18:41.20 | Aquarina | ah |
| 18:41.20 | Aquarina | ok |
| 18:41.33 | valdyn | ma3x: its a daemon |
| 18:41.34 | elliptic | how can i force a fsck at the next reboot ? |
| 18:41.43 | Gnea | !info hplip |
| 18:41.50 | adaran | asg, hmm that handles mostly source builds, however, i'm trying to package something binary only =) |
| 18:41.53 | usual | Gnea: I am in HP hell |
| 18:41.53 | jetscreamer | they're all updating debian files |
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| 18:41.56 | jetscreamer | all 3 of em |
| 18:42.02 | Gnea | usual: welcome to the club |
| 18:42.02 | gus_ | hi guys |
| 18:42.07 | valdyn | ma3x: intalled with apt-get install sl-modem-daemon, just not much point in that before you have figure out how to drive that winmodem |
| 18:42.21 | usual | Gnea: I have a 1U DL140 G2, debian refuses to work on it |
| 18:42.30 | jetscreamer | the sl modems are like the only winmodem i've seen with support that works |
| 18:42.33 | gus_ | apt-proxy can manage multiple distros and versions ? |
| 18:42.43 | usual | Gnea: fucking centos installs like a dream and works just as well...but I wanted debian on it |
| 18:43.04 | Gnea | usual: what problem did it have? |
| 18:43.18 | Gnea | i've installed debian on proliants before, no sweat |
| 18:43.29 | ma3x | valdyn, I'm trying to make the first steps, but I don't know what to do, I did modprobe snd-intel8x0m. Now what? |
| 18:43.34 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'hplij' returned no results. |
| 18:43.38 | Aquarina | what is the process through whitch programs print stuff? |
| 18:43.39 | valdyn | ma3x: paste output of 'cat /proc/asound/cards' |
| 18:43.55 | usual | Gnea: this is a brand new DL140 |
| 18:44.03 | usual | Gnea: debian has problems with the broadcom nics |
| 18:44.13 | Aquarina | is there any local "printer configuration file" on each host? |
| 18:44.16 | Gnea | usual: dude, you should've said something, that's an easy fix |
| 18:44.21 | onetinsoldier | elliptic: shutdown -F -r <time in minutes> |
| 18:44.22 | usual | Gnea: and possibly the controller |
| 18:44.25 | usual | Gnea: how? |
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| 18:45.27 | elliptic | onetinsoldier: thanks |
| 18:45.28 | roxy_ | valdyn, I tried to set up a static ip, but nothing |
| 18:45.37 | onetinsoldier | elliptic: you're welcome |
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| 18:45.50 | valdyn | roxy_: on both ethx devices? |
| 18:46.03 | Gnea | usual: there are certain portions of the broadcom spec that don't agree with the licensing agreements of debian, and so the driver that ships with debian is stripped-down, but you can get the original and install that and it works just fine: http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux |
| 18:47.06 | usual | Gnea: from where? |
| 18:47.13 | roxy_ | valdyn, yes |
| 18:47.15 | usual | oh |
| 18:47.18 | usual | sorry didn't see it |
| 18:47.19 | usual | heh |
| 18:47.21 | Gnea | usual: huh? just click on the download button :) |
| 18:47.27 | Gnea | it's tg3 |
| 18:47.30 | usual | yeah |
| 18:47.36 | Gnea | :) |
| 18:47.38 | usual | thanks man |
| 18:47.41 | Gnea | np |
| 18:47.44 | valdyn | roxy_: you can use ethtool or mii-tool to check hardware link status |
| 18:47.46 | usual | now i need to figure out the raid problem |
| 18:47.53 | Gnea | raid? |
| 18:48.04 | usual | Gnea: it boots...see's the controller....and just sits thewre at waiting for root fileystem |
| 18:48.05 | valdyn | roxy_: how many NICs do you have? |
| 18:48.20 | Gnea | usual: lol, is it purely hardware raid? |
| 18:48.41 | usual | Gnea: yes, HP SAS SATA raid |
| 18:48.59 | usual | Gnea: the installer see's it...lets me partition it....show sit during boot |
| 18:49.03 | usual | then sits there |
| 18:49.09 | Dionisas | the problem is, i am making cluster on GRID and using LCG-2 with pbs, i have 4 nodes, 3 of them has the same configuration, but jobs can goto 3 of them, to 1 node jobs dont arrive :/ i tried to use strace and to find the problem. And as i found out that node prints me: Resource temporary unavaeble. But i cant find out why? why on other nodes all works grate, but on one no:/ So i am trying to find a person who knows anythink about lcg-2 and pbs, and how |
| 18:49.15 | Gnea | usual: you're using the 2.6 kernel?/ |
| 18:49.25 | roxy_ | valdyn, I'll try. time to eat, hope to catch you in 20 minutes |
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| 18:49.41 | usual | Gnea: tried both...sarge...etch beta...daily builds..sid iso |
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| 18:50.51 | peterS | Dionisas: I am guessing you won't find many people here who use pbs. it's still not in debian, I see. |
| 18:50.53 | Gnea | usual: there's probably some sorta kernel switch to pass to enable/disable something |
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| 18:51.09 | Aquarina | what could make a printer print from "print test page" button on cups interface and not from openoffice or any other program print command? |
| 18:51.15 | usual | Gnea: isn't it weird that it see's it perfectlyu fine even all the way up to boot |
| 18:51.30 | Aquarina | how do I test it in the command line? lp file? |
| 18:51.31 | usual | Gnea: mounting root fs...loading modules...then bam..waiting for root fs |
| 18:51.49 | Dionisas | peterS hmm? |
| 18:51.52 | ma3x | valdyn, 0 [A5451 ]: ALI5451 - ALI 5451 ALI 5451 at 0x1000, irq 5 |
| 18:52.03 | Dionisas | if packet is not on apt-get it is not on debian? :D |
| 18:52.11 | Dionisas | you must be kidding ;) |
| 18:52.24 | peterS | Dionisas: pbs isn't free software so I bet most people here aren't using it. that's all I'm saying. |
| 18:52.28 | jetscreamer | Dionisas: not available in debian sources, you can compile anything though |
| 18:52.41 | Dionisas | peterS pbs is for free :D OpenPBS man |
| 18:52.42 | Gnea | usual: yeah - could be acpi |
| 18:52.58 | usual | Gnea: i could swear i tried acpi=off but maybe i am wrong |
| 18:53.13 | Gnea | usual: do you have the time still to try again? |
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| 18:53.33 | usual | Gnea: it's all at work..i'm home...I'll mess with it monday |
| 18:53.37 | Dionisas | jetscreamer so you man only use all waht is stable and give from apt? ?? :D omg i thouth i could find some wice men :/ |
| 18:53.40 | Gnea | usual: yeah |
| 18:53.46 | Dionisas | hrr.. noobish talks :( |
| 18:53.47 | jetscreamer | is there a -386 equiv kernel for that mac? install it not the other if so |
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| 18:54.11 | usual | Gnea: I tried centos for the hell of it...because HP supports RHEL4..it worked flawless....kinda pissed me off heh |
| 18:54.21 | Gnea | usual: hehehe |
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| 18:54.41 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 18:54.56 | hocus | if i see firefox and likely apps. in a different language i need to update i18n ? |
| 18:55.05 | peterS | I guess dpkg did a pretty thorough search there |
| 18:55.09 | Gnea | damn, i need to clean this place |
| 18:55.11 | jetscreamer | ~botsnack |
| 18:55.11 | apt | thanks, jetscreamer |
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| 18:56.48 | hocus | ? |
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| 18:58.22 | hocus | if i see firefox and likely apps. in a different language i need to update i18n ? |
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| 19:03.19 | zeroth404 | Anyone: I can't get grub-install to read /boot/grub/grub.conf :-/ |
| 19:03.28 | hocus | if i see firefox and likely apps. in a different language i need to update i18n ? |
| 19:03.45 | phaedrus44 | go IVC! |
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| 19:04.23 | jshriver | greetings.. |
| 19:04.42 | jshriver | why doesnt linux list all of the /dev files? I dont have /dev/input and /dev/sda |
| 19:04.47 | jshriver | rather create them |
| 19:04.59 | zeroth404 | jshriver, is it a LiveCD? |
| 19:05.01 | jshriver | no |
| 19:05.04 | jian1 | my linux is not able to mount the macOS cd |
| 19:05.08 | jshriver | debian stable been running it for months |
| 19:05.37 | zeroth404 | jshriver, thats strange. you can replace them with the mknod utility, but that would be daunting to do a lot of them |
| 19:05.46 | jshriver | jian1 add hfs+ support .. it's under filesystems |
| 19:06.01 | jshriver | zeroth404, yeah, I dont understand why it doesnt create them |
| 19:06.13 | jshriver | what is the module for SCSI emulation for using USB disks? |
| 19:06.56 | zeroth404 | jshriver, no idea, but I do know that usb-storage usb-core and the other ohci and uhci modules that I cant remember the name of woudl likely be needed |
| 19:07.05 | amphi | zeroth404: why not use /boot/grub/menu.lst like normal people ? ;) |
| 19:07.36 | zeroth404 | amphi, I'm used to gentoo, which uses grub.conf. I have no other grub experience outside of that. |
| 19:07.45 | jshriver | zeroth404, sweet thanks it works :) lol after modprobe usb-disk it automounted and opened a window for me |
| 19:07.54 | jian1 | thanx |
| 19:07.57 | amphi | zeroth404: /boot/grub/menu.lst is grub's default |
| 19:08.13 | zeroth404 | amphi, thats good to know :-) |
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| 19:09.18 | roxy_ | valdyn, using mii tool: eth0 link ok, eth1 operation not supported |
| 19:09.45 | roxy_ | valdyn, what is NICs ? |
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| 19:10.52 | kronoz | er having a problem downloading weeky build of testing from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ they all appear to be 0 bytes |
| 19:10.58 | hocus | if i see firefox and likely apps. in a different language i need to update i18n ? |
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| 19:11.53 | alfatau | hello! i'm trying to set up my dhcp server with webmin. I want to enable the dhcp only for my internal LAN, but i'm connected with other lans (VPNs,Nat internet connection...) and the dhcp server don't want to work because it wants i add a new subnet settings for every ethernet card i have, and even if i set them, it doesn't give the ip dynamically. can you help me, please? |
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| 19:12.27 | Gnea | !webmin |
| 19:12.27 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 19:13.03 | Gnea | alfatau: you need to tell the dhcp server to listen on the interface(s) in question and make sure it is authorative |
| 19:13.10 | jian1 | I launched bailisk2 and it displays a icon as disk with a question mark |
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| 19:13.28 | jian1 | so it is like a typical mac showing absence of boot disk? |
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| 19:15.04 | alfatau | Gnea: authoritative? how to? |
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| 19:16.08 | Gnea | alfatau: ditch webmin and use the command line. |
| 19:16.25 | alfatau | Gnea: i also setted INTERFACES="eth1" in /etc/default/dhcp by command line |
| 19:16.42 | Gnea | alfatau: use dhcp3-server |
| 19:17.47 | dondelelcaro | alfatau: you just drop authoritative; so the dhcp server knows that it is. All that it means is that the dhcp server will send rejects out. |
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| 19:21.01 | gavagai | is there a useful calendar/schedule app for the console? i know there's that thing for emacs but i don't want to deal with emacs. |
| 19:21.17 | ktwilight | sunbird... |
| 19:21.20 | alfatau | dondelelcaro: excuse me, i didn't understood. how i have dropped authoritative? |
| 19:21.23 | ktwilight | still in alpha stage though gavagai |
| 19:21.32 | ktwilight | oh wait, sorry. nevermind. |
| 19:21.39 | ktwilight | :/ it's not for console. |
| 19:21.41 | pipeline | gavagai: When it comes down to it, emacs is the center of most halfway decent terminal-mode apps. |
| 19:21.44 | gavagai | no prob. :) |
| 19:21.55 | pipeline | gavagai: emacs is the only development framework that sucks too much ass to provide a decent GUI :) |
| 19:22.05 | gavagai | lol |
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| 19:22.46 | gavagai | i'd love to have a cool calendar thing running in my screen session |
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| 19:23.03 | pipeline | gavagai: Then you will be using emacs :P |
| 19:23.17 | gavagai | never! |
| 19:23.19 | pipeline | although I don't really bother with screen for emacs, as emacs-multi-tty serves much the same purpose. |
| 19:23.20 | gavagai | heh |
| 19:23.38 | pipeline | gavagai: I resisted the emacs juggernaut for many years. It's inevitable and unavoidable, much like debian. |
| 19:23.54 | gavagai | hmmm maybe i'll give it a try.... in viper mode. |
| 19:24.00 | gavagai | just for the calendar |
| 19:24.19 | pipeline | heh, viper-mode is only for editing buffers |
| 19:24.25 | pipeline | the calendar will have its own controls / keystrokes etc |
| 19:24.30 | gavagai | oh i thought it would be for navigating and stuff too |
| 19:24.34 | pipeline | gavagai: trust me, you want emacs-multi-tty :P |
| 19:24.34 | gavagai | d'oh |
| 19:24.50 | pipeline | gavagai: There's a filthy hack called multiple-major-mode that allows you to do things like overlay viper on another mode, but that's, uh, way uncool. |
| 19:25.01 | pipeline | gavagai: for the most part, modes that aren't editors behave the way you would expect normal applications to... |
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| 19:26.32 | gavagai | ok first step is to install emacs i guess. |
| 19:26.41 | gavagai | let me see if i have enough space... |
| 19:26.56 | gavagai | :) |
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| 19:29.19 | zuhause01xx | anybody here CAMFROG or has it running inside |
| 19:29.42 | zuhause01xx | know |
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| 19:32.39 | ec_ | is there any way to get binary packages of modules for linux-image-2.6.16-2-*? |
| 19:32.54 | ec_ | all of the module packages are for 2.6.16-1 |
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| 19:32.58 | ec_ | in unstable |
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| 19:34.14 | Vasistha | ec_: why... do you want the -2? I'm pretty sure that's an internal debian version numbering |
| 19:34.48 | ec_ | well that's the name of the linux-image package |
| 19:35.19 | kronoz | how many debian-based distro's actually have binary compatability with debian? |
| 19:35.40 | Vasistha | ec_: this is really not something I know much of anything about... but my -guess- would be that there was a debian upgrade to the kernel, but not to the modules. Is there an incompatibility? |
| 19:35.58 | grummund | Hi. What structure under /var/www is the best way to distribute a couple of custom .deb's for a small lan? |
| 19:36.14 | Vasistha | kronoz: only pure debian is going to be 100% compatible. Other distros do varying amounts of stuff differently, including configuration and dependencies |
| 19:36.37 | ec_ | hmm maybe this is just a problem with the nvidia-kernel package being out of date |
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| 19:36.48 | Vasistha | grummund: I dunno about the dir structure, but have you checked out rsync? |
| 19:37.00 | Vasistha | !nvidia |
| 19:37.00 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 19:37.45 | kronoz | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 19:37.45 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 19:37.53 | grummund | Vasistha: i was hoping to use apt-get on the client machine(s). i put the .deb's, the Sources.gz and Packages.gz in /var/www but the correct sources.list line is confusing me. |
| 19:38.24 | Vasistha | kronoz: I learned on mepis, and ultimately became frustrated because whenever I went to upgrade from the debian repositories, there were customized mepis configuration files that needed all this attention |
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| 19:38.53 | Vasistha | grummund: well /var/www is http://server'sip/ |
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| 19:39.43 | Vasistha | grummund: or hopefully you actually have static IP, so ... for the sake of discussion what is the name of the server? |
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| 19:40.57 | Vasistha | grummund: ...but if you are connecting via ftp or rsync protocol, there might be different roots. /var/www is for apache, I don't know what else uses it |
| 19:41.26 | rxed | Can different users run different WM's on the same machine? |
| 19:41.31 | tarzeau | rxed: sure |
| 19:41.42 | tarzeau | rxed: even the same user can run different wms on the same machine |
| 19:41.46 | grummund | Vasistha: yes, /var/www is definitely the server root. that's how i have it set up (the default) |
| 19:41.50 | tarzeau | and different users can run the same wms too |
| 19:42.04 | rxed | tarzeau: how? |
| 19:42.23 | tarzeau | rxed: using xnest or startx -- :1 ? |
| 19:42.31 | tarzeau | or remotely |
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| 19:42.45 | rxed | ah. cool. |
| 19:43.00 | Vasistha | grummund: anyway, suppose your server is called "jupiter". If jupiter has a /var/www/debs/ where you keep those, then you would point sources.list at http://jupiter/debs/ |
| 19:43.29 | grummund | Vasistha: yes, that's what I want to do. |
| 19:43.37 | Vasistha | grummund: ...although it is worth noting that there is special debian software designed to fulfill just the need you have ... |
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| 19:44.12 | Vasistha | grummund: I believe your server will have to create its own Sources.gz and Packages.gz files. Maybe you already have that set up |
| 19:44.18 | grummund | Vasistha: although apt-get complains about the sources.list line i used. |
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| 19:44.43 | Vasistha | grummund: oh yeah... that's right, there's a whole directory structure that goes along with it |
| 19:44.50 | grummund | Vasistha: i used a 2-line script to create the gz files |
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| 19:46.14 | Vasistha | grummund: sources.list has to have lines like: deb http://jupiter/debs/ sarge contrib |
| 19:46.19 | grummund | Vasistha: yes, well... the directory structure and the sources.list entry is what i need help with. Can't find an explanation in the docs :/ |
| 19:46.26 | Vasistha | grummund: oh, ah |
| 19:46.59 | grummund | Vasistha: how the sources.list line is used to form the final URL. |
| 19:47.01 | Vasistha | grummund: so ... you can probably choose between sarge, stable, etch, testing, sid, unstable -- but whatever you choose, the server has to have the directories (or symlinks) to support that |
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| 19:47.31 | grummund | Vasistha: hmmm. i have just two .deb files (for a custom kernel) |
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| 19:48.20 | Vasistha | grummund: here, check out how debian-multimedia is set up: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=site:debian-multimedia.org&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 19:48.21 | grummund | Vasistha: you mentions "special software" to create the archive? |
| 19:48.27 | webmind | good morning |
| 19:48.44 | webmind | I´m running debian sid amd-64 and uhm.. apt-get update fails on every mirror ? |
| 19:49.02 | webmind | tried the german, dutch mirrors and ftp.debian.org |
| 19:49.16 | webmind | can someone confirm this or give me the correct apt source ? |
| 19:49.37 | Vasistha | grummund: there's apt-cache... not quite what you want... <looking> |
| 19:49.52 | Vasistha | webmind: why don't you post your sources.list on pastebin |
| 19:50.33 | valdyn | webmind: or even your error |
| 19:50.34 | webmind | well I only have this line in there: deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian-amd64 sid main contrib non-free |
| 19:51.03 | valdyn | webmind: change to 'deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free' |
| 19:51.18 | webmind | also for amd64? ok |
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| 19:51.39 | valdyn | webmind: yes, since amd64 is officially in debian starting at etch |
| 19:51.49 | webmind | ah ok |
| 19:52.09 | Vasistha | grummund: ...apt-move... I'm just looking through a search on p.d.o for apt, you could probably do this yourself ;-) |
| 19:52.30 | Knorrie | grummund: reprepro -> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/reprepro |
| 19:52.34 | grummund | Vasistha: ok thanks. i will look at apt-move |
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| 19:53.10 | grummund | Knorrie: that looks good. thank you. |
| 19:53.18 | Knorrie | grummund: i use it myself |
| 19:53.24 | Knorrie | grummund: works very well |
| 19:53.49 | Vasistha | Knorrie: heh, gives one a little intimidation when stable is 0.3 and testing is 0.8 |
| 19:53.52 | grummund | Knorrie: atm i have just 2 .deb's to serve to a small lan (custom kernel) |
| 19:54.00 | rxed | Hrmmm... My PS is colorized but the info is not in .bashrc. Where else could I search for PS1 definitions? |
| 19:54.09 | roxy_ | valdyn: it changed eth0/1, working now, thanks a lot |
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| 19:54.36 | roxy_ | valdyn: how can I make it start on boot now ? |
| 19:54.40 | Vasistha | rxed: .bash_profile /etc/profile /etc/bashrc |
| 19:54.53 | Knorrie | grummund: then it may be overkill, but i guess it's still easier than generating directories and Sources.gz files etc manually |
| 19:55.06 | Knorrie | Vasistha: heh |
| 19:55.42 | Knorrie | Vasistha: http://debian.knorrie.org/pool/main/r/reprepro/ \o/ |
| 19:56.09 | rxed | Vasistha: nope, it's not in those files either. |
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| 19:56.33 | Vasistha | rxed: are either ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile sourcing any other files? |
| 19:56.45 | rxed | Vasistha: no, they are not. |
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| 19:57.13 | Vasistha | rxed: hmmm.... grep 'PS' ~/.* /etc/* ? hehe |
| 19:57.29 | Vasistha | rxed: err, 'PS1' |
| 19:57.46 | valdyn | roxy_: assuming it worked previously, and just eth0 was exchanged with eth1, changing eth0 to eth1 and eth1 to eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces should fix this |
| 19:59.26 | ma3x | valdyn, can you still help me out with the modem? |
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| 20:00.32 | astronut | i see that the network shift isn't that effective |
| 20:00.36 | Vasistha | rxed: ooh, /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 20:01.11 | rxed | Vasistha: thanks. |
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| 20:04.02 | valdyn | ma3x: maybe i have it |
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| 20:04.29 | roxy_ | valdyn: working, thanks again :-) |
| 20:04.33 | valdyn | ma3x: can you paste 'cat /proc/asound/devices' please? |
| 20:05.34 | rxed | Is there a quick way to translate 3pm EDT to my time zone? some magic command perhaps? |
| 20:05.50 | ma3x | valdyn, 0 [A5451 ]: ALI5451 - ALI 5451 ALI 5451 at 0x1000, irq 5 |
| 20:05.59 | ma3x | valdyn, sorry wait |
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| 20:06.21 | tziku | hello, "chmod +what" to a file to can be used only by root ? (i want from some commands like: wget, ftp...) |
| 20:06.45 | ma3x | valdyn, 0: [ 0] : control 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture 33: : timer |
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| 20:07.30 | doublehp | Q: I am trying to mount loop0 from initrd, and actually am still under initrd; a script is written on my HDD in partition sdb4; it does "losetup -o 12345 /dev/loop0 /dev/md0" ; if I chroot sdb4 and run losetup there, "file -s loop0" returns ext3 under both chroot and basic shell of initrd; after losetup -d, if I run the same script from initrd outside chroot, "file -s loop1" returns DATA; why the hell would losetup under initrd act |
| 20:07.47 | valdyn | ma3x: that's all? |
| 20:08.00 | doublehp | could this be a mkinitrd bug ? |
| 20:08.01 | roxy_ | tziku: could you rephrase it please. |
| 20:08.20 | ma3x | valdyn, yes |
| 20:08.50 | tziku | i want to restrict acces at wget and ftp, and i don't know what permisiun to put at /usr/local/bin/wget & ftp . |
| 20:08.55 | valdyn | !find m.ko |
| 20:08.55 | rxed | how can I get current GMT time using command prompt? |
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| 20:09.14 | doublehp | rxed: man date |
| 20:09.19 | roxy_ | !.ko |
| 20:09.20 | dpkg | from memory, .ko is Files ending in .ko are kernel modules for Linux kernel versions 2.6 and newer. |
| 20:09.31 | valdyn | !find m.ko |
| 20:09.32 | rxed | doublehp: there is nothing about GMT in date. |
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| 20:09.47 | doublehp | rxed: there is |
| 20:10.07 | roxy_ | tziku: man chmod |
| 20:10.12 | rxed | doublehp: I don't want to change my locale. I just want to look up my current time in GMT. |
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| 20:10.21 | lunahood | is there a "hardware-database" which lists all native supported chips by debian ? |
| 20:10.26 | doublehp | rxed: but you have been searching pattern "GMT", instead of "UTC" |
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| 20:10.50 | doublehp | rxed: pattern search ... I do the same :) |
| 20:11.04 | rxed | doublehp: oh, darn it. :) |
| 20:11.15 | doublehp | rxed: except regexp dont know about aliases :) |
| 20:12.33 | rxed | zulu time |
| 20:12.48 | rxed | NOAA calls UTC Zulu time. That's funny. |
| 20:13.45 | doublehp | rxed: we have a very famous joke in my country about that, in a fun story, like: "Quote some body famous" - "J Chirac" - "I'd ve prefered Mitterand" - "I dont know replacement ones" ... kind of help reminding a patern may be what you want, but not what should look for ... aka, dont always look for what you want |
| 20:14.12 | roxy_ | what should I do to be able to /msg people in this channel ? |
| 20:14.20 | doublehp | any one about mkinitrd/losetup problem ? |
| 20:14.32 | astronut | roxy_: ask first |
| 20:14.38 | rxed | doublehp: interesting. |
| 20:14.43 | roxy_ | astronut: ask who ? |
| 20:14.53 | astronut | roxy_: the person you want to msg |
| 20:14.54 | rxed | roxy_: who is on first? |
| 20:14.59 | astronut | rxed: what? |
| 20:15.19 | doublehp | astronut: wrong nick :) |
| 20:15.20 | roxy_ | astronut: so how can I authorize someone to msg me ? |
| 20:15.33 | astronut | doublehp: huh? |
| 20:15.36 | rxed | astronut: your line of questioning remindes me of Abbott and Costello's 'who is on first'. |
| 20:15.51 | astronut | rxed: yes, hence the "what" |
| 20:15.54 | doublehp | astronut: I dont think you actuallt wanted to ask that to rxed |
| 20:16.01 | astronut | doublehp: yes i did ;-) |
| 20:16.03 | astronut | what's on second |
| 20:16.06 | rxed | hehe |
| 20:16.21 | astronut | roxy_: read the freenode docs about NOIDPRIVMSG - it's a nickserv setting/user mode |
| 20:16.34 | astronut | that prevents unregistered/identified people from privmsg'ing you |
| 20:17.10 | valdyn | ma3x: looks bad for this specific softmodem, see http://archives.linmodems.org/22754, may just be impossible to get working |
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| 20:17.17 | doublehp | ah ... in this case roxy_ wants to register, and then identify |
| 20:17.21 | hocus | how do i setup mbmon to run at startup ? |
| 20:17.28 | roxy_ | astronut: thanks |
| 20:17.30 | astronut | doublehp: is he trying to PM you? |
| 20:17.36 | doublehp | hocus: sensord ? |
| 20:17.40 | astronut | you can /nickserv set noidprivmsg off |
| 20:17.47 | doublehp | astronut: not atm |
| 20:17.48 | hocus | why sensord ? |
| 20:18.01 | hocus | can't set mbmon to be started ? |
| 20:18.09 | hocus | automatically at boot ? |
| 20:18.18 | astronut | doublehp: or /mode doublehp -(something) |
| 20:18.35 | roxy_ | astronut: would I get lot of spam if I do ? |
| 20:18.47 | astronut | roxy_: i haven't seen much lately |
| 20:19.14 | doublehp | hocus: cause since I installed it on Gentoo, I get MB voltages alerts in log/messages, but only when mbmon is installed ... si I guess sensord does not read ISA sensors but uses under layer of mbm; mbmon does not sends alert by daemon, only CLI, but sensord does this daemonised things for me |
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| 20:19.48 | doublehp | hocus: I never seen mbm daemon in fact |
| 20:19.54 | hocus | but i 've set it once and now don't rembember how ;) |
| 20:20.46 | roxy_ | astronut: if I set noidprivmsg off, will nickserv remember next time I log in ? |
| 20:21.00 | doublehp | roxy_: likely |
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| 20:22.32 | roxy_ | doublehp: likely like "england will likely win the world cup", or like "brasil will likely win the world cup" ? |
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| 20:23.17 | doublehp | roxy_: if it can remember your password and memos, I really think it can also remember such "settings" |
| 20:23.47 | doublehp | or, maybe could we call nickserv as "he" ? |
| 20:24.07 | doublehp | or mayube "she" :D |
| 20:24.13 | doublehp | who knows ... |
| 20:24.18 | roxy_ | doublehp: well I am french, so no it in my world |
| 20:24.42 | doublehp | roxy_: so am I :) and still love jokes about english gender :) |
| 20:24.45 | hound | What's the trick to getting xorg to edit my config files using the debian configure? I have repaced /var/X11/X.md5sum with the current value but it doesn't take |
| 20:24.58 | bronze | the english have gender? :) |
| 20:25.05 | hound | I guess I should have said /var/lib/x11/ |
| 20:25.08 | roxy_ | bronze: no, that was the joke |
| 20:25.16 | bronze | :-) |
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| 20:26.03 | doublehp | hound: conf file usually generated in /root ... and if root starts X, X will read conf from ~ first ... so, if conf problem, see /var/log/X* and triple check which it is reading ! other wise, I cant help further |
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| 20:27.48 | hocus | where's rc.local ? |
| 20:27.51 | hound | doublehp, yea the postint is looking at /etc/X11/X |
| 20:28.10 | doublehp | hocus: /etc or /etc/conf.D ? |
| 20:28.24 | doublehp | hocus: cd /etc ; find | grep rc.l |
| 20:28.24 | doublehp | :D |
| 20:28.39 | doublehp | -D +d |
| 20:28.45 | onetinsoldier | hello. i got a program that i'm trying to compile from source and the configure script completes ok. but when i run make i get 'missing --run aclocal-1.9'. could there be something missing in the 'automake-1.9' package? or am i missing some other package that's needed? |
| 20:30.36 | doublehp | bronze: /msg .* |
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| 20:31.46 | doublehp | onetinsoldier: I d try running autogen and autoconf, but really not sure it will fix your problem |
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| 20:33.40 | polishkoop | Hey, I just tryed to update my kernel to 2.6.15-1-686, but whenever I start it up I get a message during the end of the boot up that says ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist dropping to a shell! |
| 20:34.16 | onetinsoldier | doublehp: ok.. thanks. i'll give it a try. been doing some more reading and i think i might need some that includes a missing 'macro' not included in automake. |
| 20:34.31 | onetinsoldier | *something |
| 20:34.33 | wojci | onetinsoldier, Is there a script called autogen.sh or something? You should try to generate the build enviroment yourself. |
| 20:34.48 | doublehp | onetinsoldier: if missing things, think about some *-dev packages ... |
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| 20:35.08 | doublehp | like you wd libncurses5-dev to compile kernel ... |
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| 20:35.28 | ktwilight | polishkoop, which type of harddrives do you have? |
| 20:35.30 | doublehp | onetinsoldier: ok, I am wrong; it does not complain about missing headers, but missing commands :S |
| 20:35.37 | onetinsoldier | wojci: i'll take a look... i'm trying to build, 'bonfire'. from what i read about it, it seems like a really nice burning app |
| 20:35.46 | polishkoop | I just use one maxtor 80 Gb one. It's SATA I believe. |
| 20:35.48 | ktwilight | i'm guess /dev/sda2 worked in 2.4x? |
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| 20:35.59 | polishkoop | I don't know, i never had problems loading up 2.4 |
| 20:36.04 | ktwilight | oh wait. i meant /dev/hda2 |
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| 20:36.21 | wojci | onetinsoldier, Just make sure that you have the tools required. aclocal, automake, autoconf, libtool probably too. |
| 20:36.23 | doublehp | polishkoop: I also have problems with that kernel ... (QLA1020/1040 on Alpha-SMP ) |
| 20:36.27 | ktwilight | in 2.6, it detects SATA drives properly, or at least has its name right. i think someone else can explain better. |
| 20:36.42 | wojci | onetinsoldier, I use this: |
| 20:36.44 | wojci | autoheader |
| 20:36.45 | wojci | aclocal -I m4 |
| 20:36.45 | wojci | libtoolize -c -f |
| 20:36.45 | wojci | automake --add-missing --copy --gnu |
| 20:36.45 | wojci | autoconf |
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| 20:36.49 | ktwilight | on a fresh install, 2.4 did kinda work for my sata drives. but was adviced to use 2.6, hence your sorta problem. |
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| 20:37.02 | ktwilight | i think just renaming it in /etc/fstab should do? not sure though, just a crazy guess. |
| 20:37.07 | wojci | Gah .. |
| 20:37.08 | onetinsoldier | wojci and doublehp: and gnome has recently been update in etch to where, after stealing just a couple packages from 'sid', i got .configure for bonfire to complete |
| 20:37.31 | polishkoop | ktwilight: 2.4 worked fine, but I wanted to install my nVidia drivers which didn't work with 2.4. A friend recommended i update to 2.6. |
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| 20:38.21 | ktwilight | polishkoop, that's all i know really. try renaming it in /etc/fstab or even mount it first, and see what you get |
| 20:38.22 | doublehp | onetinsoldier: cant help further |
| 20:38.32 | CAiRO | after i have upgraded mysql-server it said "PLEASE REMEMBER TO SET A PASSWORD FOR THE MySQL root USER !" in the syslog even though i have had already set a password for the mysql root user; is that normal to get such a message? |
| 20:38.36 | ktwilight | as long as you can mount it perfectly well, i don't see any problems. |
| 20:38.43 | onetinsoldier | roger.. thanks for the advice you guys have given.. i will try |
| 20:38.54 | polishkoop | ktwilight: what do I rename and how do i mount? I'm pretty new |
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| 20:39.33 | ktwilight | you have one 80g hdd? how many partitions, and what are the paths? |
| 20:40.11 | onetinsoldier | doesn't seem to be any 'autogen.sh' |
| 20:40.13 | polishkoop | ktwilight: Two partitions with one being windows. Paths? |
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| 20:40.36 | hound | doublehp, do you know where in ~root it puts the xorg config file you were refering to? |
| 20:40.49 | ktwilight | hmm... |
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| 20:41.16 | ktwilight | polishkoop, you have windows and linux installed on the same hdd? |
| 20:41.24 | polishkoop | ktwilight: indeed I do |
| 20:41.42 | ktwilight | hmm...not sure how to help really. |
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| 20:42.02 | doublehp | hound: if it does, its just ~/xorg.conf ... but first look at logs; ie try $ cat /var/log/X* |grep xorg.conf .... but this may not be revealant to your problem if you did not manually launch any conf program |
| 20:42.10 | ktwilight | try to do a more extensive search in google. should help. |
| 20:42.24 | ktwilight | if not, just ask later today, and hope someone can help :) |
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| 20:42.45 | polishkoop | ktwilight: alright, yah I've been having troubles with linux ever since i got this thing installed. It's kind of discouraging. |
| 20:42.54 | hound | doublehp, I am manually running dpkg-reconfigure, and for some reason when it does an md5sum and when I do one they come out different. |
| 20:43.08 | ktwilight | polishkoop, it is. especially with the lack of documentations, etc. :/ |
| 20:43.21 | polishkoop | ktwilight: the thing is I really can' |
| 20:43.32 | ktwilight | but polishkoop, it's well worth it to learn more. i got debian working perfectly (well...almost) after 'bout a week of studying it. |
| 20:43.46 | polishkoop | ktwilight: can't stand windows anymore and I would like to use linux so i can learn more about my computer |
| 20:43.46 | Frenzy- | Hello, i got a problem. My debian server wont boot, but "rescue mode" works fine but when i mount the hdd i cant find it.. What shall i do ore what cane i do? |
| 20:44.05 | ktwilight | polishkoop, if ya have a spare hdd. i suggest you to transfer everything ya got there, then completely wipe out your hdd. and start fresh :) |
| 20:44.12 | ktwilight | so ya don't have to worry 'bout your windows files. haha |
| 20:44.25 | doublehp | hound: ah ... md5sum have params :) maybe defaults ones that are your fallback differ from the options passed by dist scripts :) are you sure scripts use defaults ? |
| 20:44.26 | polishkoop | ktwilight: all these problems just kind of erupted after trying to get my GUI to work. Yah I think I might buy another harddrive. It seems easier that way. |
| 20:44.30 | ktwilight | Frenzy-, would be good to look at the log files. dmesg | tail should help |
| 20:44.56 | ktwilight | it can be polishkoop, especially if some how or rather it's all messy, ya have a spare hdd to help ya out. |
| 20:44.59 | ktwilight | what GUI ya using? |
| 20:45.13 | polishkoop | ktwilight: Xorg |
| 20:45.19 | ktwilight | i got an extra 250g 'cuz of filesystem corruption when using KDE *shrugs* |
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| 20:45.37 | ktwilight | hmm...xorg isn't that difficult to kick off, in a way. |
| 20:45.42 | Vasistha | alright, here's a funny question. I've got an old box here that was last running mepis 2004, which included kernel 2.6.7. What I'd really like to do is throw a debian stable Packages.gz on there and do an apt-get upgrade, pulling files mostly from my other computer that is running debian stable... any thoughts? :D |
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| 20:46.02 | ktwilight | well, polishkoop, would be good to get a new hdd, transfer everything, and start fresh. or might as well just install it on the new hdd! :) |
| 20:46.04 | polishkoop | ktwilight: The furthest I got on my GUI was getting getting the screen to actually show up correctly. However my keyboard lost functionality. |
| 20:46.24 | ktwilight | and when all works well, just transfer your windows stuff to the new hdd, wipe the windows hdd ('cuz you can't really write on NTFS yet), and yea...go from there :) |
| 20:46.26 | polishkoop | ktwilight: Yeah i think im gonna get a new HDD and just start this all over. Seems less messy that way |
| 20:46.35 | ktwilight | yes that's right. |
| 20:46.46 | ktwilight | are oyu using wirless keyboard or something? |
| 20:46.47 | onetinsoldier | aclocal -I m4 ..../usr/share/aclocal/smpeg.m4:13: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_SMPEG run info '(automake)Extending aclocal' |
| 20:46.47 | polishkoop | ktw |
| 20:46.47 | ktwilight | usb? |
| 20:46.49 | hound | doublehp, I deleted /etc/X11/X and it stopped giving me an error :-) |
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| 20:47.11 | polishkoop | ktwilight: no just a regular, basic wired keyboard. No, it is that 5 pronted circle plug. |
| 20:47.21 | polishkoop | ktwilight: pronged* |
| 20:47.27 | Frenzy- | ktwilight im a n00b but:p this is the output from dmesg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2795 |
| 20:47.46 | ktwilight | am a n00b too, so... :/ |
| 20:48.02 | ktwilight | shouldn't be a problem then polishkoop, i think is just the options you chose |
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| 20:48.22 | polishkoop | ktwilight: alright, but i'm going to get a new Hard drive anyway cuz right now all this partition has is 30 gigs. |
| 20:48.24 | ktwilight | but kinda doubtful too. am not entirely sure. would help if ya have a laptop sitting next to ya, and on your pc doing the debian installation. haha |
| 20:48.28 | ktwilight | yup :) |
| 20:48.36 | polishkoop | ktwilight: thanks for all the advice though |
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| 20:48.53 | ktwilight | Frenzy-, no idea. i never really touched ext3 fs before. so... :/ |
| 20:49.01 | ktwilight | np polishkoop. just tryin' to help *shrugs* |
| 20:49.52 | doublehp | Frenzy-: whats the problem ? |
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| 20:52.59 | keep | I can not find the "userlinux" channel any more dose any one know if that is a dead project? |
| 20:53.38 | dondelelcaro | keep: isn't that bruce perens project? |
| 20:53.45 | keep | yes |
| 20:53.54 | dondelelcaro | keep: if so, he basically hasn't been working on it, so it's pretty much dead. |
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| 20:54.26 | Frenzy- | doublehp this is the outpot from my dmesg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2795 i have mounted a disk but i cant find it |
| 20:54.33 | keep | Ahh well ... was ussing the same concept for a school lay out for debian |
| 20:54.48 | keep | TY |
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| 20:56.43 | astronut | dondelelcaro: did you get in touch w/ pkern? |
| 20:56.46 | astronut | he's trying to get you |
| 20:56.54 | dondelelcaro | astronut: yes |
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| 20:57.00 | dondelelcaro | (about 2 hours ago) |
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| 20:57.03 | astronut | ok, cool |
| 20:57.36 | rdz | hi all. i'd like to create a script, that makes a few ssh-tunnels, when i execute it. the problem is, that when executing the first line, the shell of the remote-shell? is there a way to put into the 'background' somehow, so that the next line could be executed? |
| 20:58.04 | astronut | rdz: & |
| 20:58.19 | astronut | command-1 & |
| 20:58.31 | astronut | (you may want a sleep statement to give it time to be established |
| 20:58.39 | astronut | rdz: does it require a password? |
| 20:59.07 | rdz | astronut, & doesn't work here.. |
| 20:59.24 | astronut | rdz: what shell? |
| 20:59.28 | rdz | i created a public-key, so i don't have to enter a password anymore |
| 20:59.37 | rdz | astronut, bash |
| 20:59.48 | astronut | rdz: it hangs on the ssh? |
| 21:01.04 | rdz | astronut, sorry, i'm not so sure anymore that it doesn't work. |
| 21:01.14 | astronut | it should |
| 21:01.36 | astronut | you may need to pause between luanching it and running the next thing to give it time to establish a connection |
| 21:01.51 | rdz | i didn't try 'ssh blabla &'. i only tried 'screen ssh blabla' |
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| 21:02.04 | rdz | astronut, ok i'll try again.. |
| 21:02.33 | astronut | screem |
| 21:02.35 | astronut | ? |
| 21:02.36 | astronut | wtf |
| 21:02.41 | astronut | what are you trying to do here? |
| 21:02.59 | astronut | screen is interactive (well, i suppose you can not be interactive, but what's the point) |
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| 21:05.41 | Knorrie | rdz: man ssh -> look at the -n options |
| 21:05.45 | Knorrie | -s |
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| 21:07.37 | blondie | what should I run to setup X after changing video card? |
| 21:07.58 | blondie | (I thought it was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg... but it doesn't change xorg.conf) |
| 21:08.35 | rdz | astronut, it doesn't work like this.. it seems that the connection is closed, as soon as the next line is executed |
| 21:08.51 | rdz | Knorrie, i'll have a look. thanks |
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| 21:08.57 | hound | blondie, that should be it, I'm having the same problem. |
| 21:09.03 | doublehp | blondie: if you placed it in the same slot, you just want to change the driver name ... |
| 21:09.20 | blondie | hound: yeah, I thought it should be it too |
| 21:09.36 | doublehp | blondie: seek in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for word "driver" ... one will sound like old card, change it for new model |
| 21:09.55 | astronut | rdz: yes, ssh is interactive |
| 21:09.57 | blondie | doublehp: I know I can do that... but |
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| 21:10.29 | doublehp | blondie: drivers are in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ if you want a list. |
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| 21:11.06 | blondie | doublehp: I know what to use, but it's still broken that dpkg-reconfigure doesn't update it |
| 21:11.18 | doublehp | blondie: ? |
| 21:11.59 | blondie | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should update the file, but it doesn't |
| 21:12.18 | doublehp | blondie: I dont have time nor patience tonight to help you seeking error logs, but thats the place where you want to go to track further. Mostly console from where you launch X, and /var/log/X* . End of topic. |
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| 21:13.30 | Frenzy- | Who cane help me? I have a prblem i mount my disk sda3 that goes fine after a manually edited the fstab no errors so fare but i cant find it and the server wont reboot only thing i got access to is the rescue mode. this is the dmesg | tail outpot: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2796 |
| 21:13.49 | blondie | doublehp: don't have tantrums at me please. |
| 21:13.51 | jorgito | holitas |
| 21:13.57 | hound | doublehp, I don't know why dpkg-reconfigure would put errors in /var/log/X*, is that really true? |
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| 21:14.04 | hound | doublehp, or are you thinking about xorg debugging itself |
| 21:14.05 | laurens | good evening |
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| 21:14.24 | blondie | hound: it wouldn't |
| 21:14.58 | hound | blondie, I think if you sync the md5sum in /var/lib/x11/*.md5sum with the files in /etc/X11/ it will start working |
| 21:15.23 | hound | blondie, my problem it seems is that I disallow executing files in /tmp/ and dpkg insists on it. trying to run through the code to see if I can hack it |
| 21:16.06 | blondie | hound: thanks |
| 21:16.12 | doublehp | blondie: I am not angry. Just, 1 year I did not conf X under Deb ... and said you all I could. but not angry against you any manner. |
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| 21:17.06 | doublehp | hound: if it tries to launch X and fails to, X is likely to have errlog there ... depends the kind of error, if reconf cant probe system, or if launch fails. |
| 21:17.24 | doublehp | hound: he only needs to change driver name ! so ... |
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| 21:17.38 | rdz | Knorrie, sorry. i cannot figure out how to set it up correctly. it seems to be the same with 'ssh -n'. it outputs for every line: 'Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal.' |
| 21:18.22 | war92 | Help, my VNC is broken since Xorg went to 7.0, cannot open font fixed and other errors, has anyone been able to get it work? |
| 21:18.39 | rsk | war92: sure its 7.0 and not 7.1? |
| 21:18.40 | rdz | astronut, Knorrie, is 'ssh' the wrong command to use in a script? shall i try somehting else instead? |
| 21:19.02 | astronut | rdz: i'm not sure |
| 21:19.04 | astronut | rdz: man ssh |
| 21:19.10 | astronut | see if there's a non-interactive mode |
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| 21:19.31 | war92 | rsk: yes, 7.0 |
| 21:19.33 | Knorrie | rdz: moment, i'll try it here |
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| 21:22.08 | HelmutG | Has anyone tested jabber-jit from stable? The packe seems to not work at all (especially not out of the box). |
| 21:22.35 | formorer | HelmutG: it works here |
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| 21:23.05 | HelmutG | formorer: jabberd-jit does not open a listening port on my machine. |
| 21:23.10 | MarsRouter | hi |
| 21:23.13 | HelmutG | formorer: (at least lsof thinks so) |
| 21:23.21 | doublehp | why the hell does bug occur to me any time I install a dist for the first time ? on Hurd, found a bug in mkfs, on etch, in mkinitrd ! |
| 21:23.27 | formorer | HelmutG: why should it open a listening (??) port? |
| 21:23.33 | MarsRouter | im new to debian any one can tell me which cd ISO sholud i download?? |
| 21:23.35 | HelmutG | formorer: for the jabberd to connect. |
| 21:23.44 | MarsRouter | i want acomplete desktop GUI |
| 21:23.46 | doublehp | and about Hurd, bug was not in Hurd's mkfs, but in SID's ! |
| 21:23.51 | Frenzy- | so nobody cane help me with my question? |
| 21:23.51 | Knorrie | rdz: ssh -N user@host -L port:addr:port |
| 21:23.55 | Knorrie | rdz: ssh -N user@host -L port:addr:port & |
| 21:23.57 | HelmutG | formorer: formorer have you modified jabber-jit.xml? |
| 21:24.02 | Knorrie | rdz: that works for me |
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| 21:24.17 | formorer | HelmutG: ah, you are right |
| 21:24.29 | rdz | Knorrie, many thanks. i tried 'ssh -n user@host -L port:addr:port' |
| 21:24.45 | HelmutG | formorer: wait it's the other way round. jabberd has to listen. |
| 21:25.00 | stoned | hi |
| 21:25.21 | Knorrie | rdz: nice, and don't forget the & |
| 21:25.23 | stoned | abrotman, I like the guitarwork for danvillegirl, I just can't stand that guy's voice |
| 21:25.28 | formorer | HelmutG: http://www.formorer.de/jabber-jit |
| 21:25.40 | doublehp | MarsRouter: alternates: Knoppix, mid-beginner: Ubunto (are two brothers of Debian, or forks). For proper Debian, you either want "compleet set of CDs" of you have slow connection, or just "network install CD" of you have DSL. Those last choices will offer same pannel of "compleet GUI desktops" |
| 21:25.54 | rxed | How can I batch convert .doc to .pdf? I need to preserve formatting during the conversion. |
| 21:26.13 | doublehp | /lastlog |
| 21:26.28 | stoned | rxed, use the pdf printer |
| 21:26.33 | doublehp | Frenzy-: which question ? ext3 problem ? |
| 21:26.35 | Knorrie | rxed: antiword, but i've never used it |
| 21:26.43 | MarsRouter | doublehp : i hav usde Ubuntu but it lacks su & root dirct logings |
| 21:26.48 | stoned | rxed, print the document to a pdf file |
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| 21:26.56 | hound | for the life of me I couldn't find where in the package preconfig it wanted to right packagename.conf-num to /tmp, but change TMPDIR to /var/tmp/ seemed to fix it |
| 21:27.03 | MarsRouter | doublehp: Ubuntu also dont have serevr packages |
| 21:27.08 | Frenzy- | doublehp yeh copy past "Who cane help me? I have a prblem i mount my disk sda3 that goes fine after a manually edited the fstab no errors so fare but i cant find it and the server wont reboot only thing i got access to is the rescue mode. this is the dmesg | tail outpot: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2796 " |
| 21:27.09 | rxed | stoned: that's not 'batch conversion'. I have 100 files. |
| 21:27.28 | doublehp | MarsRouter: sudo works ... for example, to get root prompt, I use "sudo bash" |
| 21:27.28 | stoned | ahh batch |
| 21:27.28 | rdz | Knorrie, many thanks. it works also here...... it was just the wronge case (-n) |
| 21:27.43 | hdkiller | Hi. What software should i use, if i want to proxy an alsa sound device to a windows client? |
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| 21:27.48 | rxed | Knorrie: oh, that's cool. Lets see if it works. |
| 21:27.49 | Knorrie | MarsRouter: you can su and do all the root-stuff also with ubuntu |
| 21:27.54 | MarsRouter | doublehp: measn Ubuntu is the tru alternativ efor Debian? |
| 21:28.03 | doublehp | Frenzy-: readed that page long time ago, and from memory, I cant see fatal problem ... only warnings that should be harmless |
| 21:28.05 | stoned | Knorrie, no you can' |
| 21:28.18 | stoned | Knorrie, you have to sudo su passwd |
| 21:28.18 | Knorrie | stoned: no? |
| 21:28.24 | stoned | then set a root pass |
| 21:28.26 | stoned | THEN use su |
| 21:28.41 | MarsRouter | Knorrie:ubuntu will run all Debian packages??? |
| 21:28.46 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 21:28.47 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 21:28.47 | Knorrie | MarsRouter: no! |
| 21:28.53 | doublehp | MarsRouter: not a true one for production use, but good enough for desktop and training. Ubuntu dont have Apache default, but Apache/Bind should be installable using apt afterwards |
| 21:28.54 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 21:28.54 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 21:29.05 | stoned | !gnea |
| 21:29.06 | dpkg | i heard gnea is a gnea!, or someone who likes to give obvious answers |
| 21:29.08 | HelmutG | formorer: next time I use vim's folding feature with xml files. |
| 21:29.08 | MarsRouter | like FC4? i wnat to switch from FC |
| 21:29.08 | stoned | lol |
| 21:29.14 | Gnea | heh |
| 21:29.16 | stoned | Gnea hi |
| 21:29.16 | MarsRouter | i feel its to heavy for my system |
| 21:29.20 | Gnea | stoned: sup |
| 21:29.25 | stoned | got yer own factoid there bud |
| 21:29.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:29.34 | Frenzy- | doublehp but i cant find annything on that disk. and i dont get anny contact with the server after a normal reboot.. I only get replay when i do a "rescue reboot" |
| 21:29.36 | Knorrie | stoned: i debootstrapped my current ubuntu desktop install, i don't know about all the oddities of teh installer :D |
| 21:29.36 | Gnea | yeah, dunno who did that, oh well |
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| 21:29.41 | stoned | I wonder |
| 21:29.42 | stoned | !stoned |
| 21:29.46 | stoned | lol, nm |
| 21:30.02 | MarsRouter | doublehp , knoreie::ike FC4? i wnat to switch from FC i feel its to heavy for my system |
| 21:30.08 | doublehp | Frenzy-: what does df -h, report ? is part mounted ? whats size ? and used numbers ? |
| 21:30.32 | Knorrie | MarsRouter: come to #ubuntu if you want to talk about ubuntu |
| 21:30.33 | stoned | er.. df -h to see which partitions are mounted? |
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| 21:30.41 | stoned | why do you not just use fdisk -l |
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| 21:30.44 | stoned | er.. |
| 21:30.44 | Gnea | i like df -Th |
| 21:30.47 | stoned | mount -l |
| 21:31.03 | onetinsoldier | wojci and doublehp: hello! you guys still here? |
| 21:31.09 | stoned | cerebral flatulance |
| 21:31.10 | stoned | sorry |
| 21:31.13 | doublehp | onetinsoldier: I ... why ? |
| 21:31.27 | stoned | or for the dumb folk |
| 21:31.27 | stoned | brain fart |
| 21:31.39 | Gnea | brain matter oozing out of the ears |
| 21:31.42 | Frenzy- | doublehp: this is the output from df -h http://channels.debian.net/paste/2797 |
| 21:31.54 | onetinsoldier | doublehp: remember the the problem i was having? i found out there is an error with the 'smpeg.m4 |
| 21:32.02 | onetinsoldier | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.08 | doublehp | onetinsoldier: did we meet already ? did I ever help you ? compleetely forgotten :) |
| 21:32.27 | stoned | doublehp, haha, and I got better memory than you |
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| 21:32.33 | stoned | ehehe |
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| 21:32.40 | onetinsoldier | heh |
| 21:32.42 | hound | blondie, did that fix it for you? I'm still having problems. |
| 21:33.25 | rxed | Is it possible to save lp's print queue as ps files? |
| 21:33.32 | onetinsoldier | doublehp: a little whilw ago you were trying to help me with a problem i was having getting with getting a program to compile from source |
| 21:33.57 | blondie | hound: actually I found an old copy so I didn't try it |
| 21:34.17 | stoned | you know, for simple stuff, gentoo is fantastic |
| 21:34.23 | onetinsoldier | doublehp: i was getting this error... missing --run aclocal-1.9 ...../usr/share/aclocal/smpeg.m4:13: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_SMPEG |
| 21:34.29 | blondie | stoned: oi |
| 21:34.30 | stoned | I still use konq. for media browsing |
| 21:34.30 | doublehp | Frenzy-: you have two problems: missing modules to handle special features of EXT3 (miscompiled kernel ?), and ram0 may mask your / ... so, I say problem is initrd any way, but either it forgot to switch/pivoroot, or you may need to specify ext3-feature-modules in /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 21:34.33 | stoned | but gentoo man |
| 21:34.39 | stoned | simple, small, fast, and efficient |
| 21:34.52 | Space_Ace | do you reccomend it? |
| 21:35.01 | stoned | if you're a minimal X guy, yes |
| 21:35.02 | doublehp | stoned: a stone have more memory than two HP48GX ? :D |
| 21:35.05 | stoned | otherwise I go with konqueror |
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| 21:36.36 | freakazoid0223 | Hello, I'm using sarge mostly everything is workin great except the sound, the sound server says it cant open device /proc/asound/audigy...however, /proc/asound/Audigy does. Do i need to change the path and if so how? |
| 21:36.39 | stoned | gentoo is color coded, gtk and C based. its nice, plus it has icons too! |
| 21:37.03 | freakazoid0223 | does exsist i meant |
| 21:37.05 | stoned | freakazoid0223, may I reccomend turning off any and all sound deamons/servers |
| 21:37.13 | stoned | !tell freakazoid0223 about dmix |
| 21:37.22 | Frenzy- | doublehp i have no idea about what happend its a remote server and i was playing bf2 when the teamspek server suddenly went down so i quit playing and then i saw that the entire box was down. And everything have worked great the last 5 months and the uptime was allmost 90 days and i haven installed annything on the box the last 2 weeks |
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| 21:37.42 | doublehp | stoned: Gentoo has what you put in ! Debian can have much colors as Gentoo do ! just matter of installing packages and editing /etc |
| 21:38.01 | stoned | freakazoid0223, dmix is also software based mixing, but it is much faster than audio servers |
| 21:38.07 | stoned | doublehp, do you know what gentoo is? |
| 21:38.14 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 21:38.16 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:38.59 | freakazoid0223 | how do i read the msg sent by the bot |
| 21:39.07 | freakazoid0223 | im a n00b |
| 21:39.11 | blondie | with your eyes ;) |
| 21:39.13 | stoned | lol |
| 21:39.14 | blondie | what irc client? |
| 21:39.15 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 21:39.15 | dpkg | [noob] Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 21:39.25 | stoned | he is probably not getting a msg maybe |
| 21:39.26 | freakazoid0223 | har har funny :p |
| 21:39.29 | doublehp | Frenzy-: I mean, obviously you have data in sda ... "ls -a" shall show AT LEAST ". .." ... hopefully "lostfound" ... if no lostfound, then ram0 is masking it, and you may try to umount it (by device name); if you have lost-found, try to "du -lsh" it to check if data are there ... |
| 21:39.39 | freakazoid0223 | i am registered |
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| 21:39.58 | doublehp | stoned: gentoo is what I am using atm for IRC chatting, and Debian is what does not boot on server on my left |
| 21:39.58 | stoned | doublehp, you should google gentoo |
| 21:40.06 | freakazoid0223 | i got that one about being a noob |
| 21:41.22 | freakazoid0223 | heh |
| 21:41.23 | doublehp | stoned: first Google answer refers to the system I chatting from aTM |
| 21:41.23 | freakazoid0223 | can i load dmix via synaptic |
| 21:41.23 | Frenzy- | doublehp du -lsk in the lost+found folder says 13k but it was atleast 10gig with info on the 160gig hdd |
| 21:41.23 | stoned | doublehp, apt-cache show gentoo |
| 21:41.23 | stoned | :/ |
| 21:41.37 | doublehp | Frenzy-: "du -lsh los..." will give the size of the dir itself ... including hidden files in it ... |
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| 21:42.15 | stoned | doublehp, when you get on debian that is |
| 21:42.34 | stoned | doublehp, gentoo is a gtk/c/X file manager |
| 21:42.49 | stoned | doublehp, it was a fm first, distro came much later |
| 21:42.55 | stoned | same name |
| 21:43.05 | doublehp | stoned: hmm, I got a debian partition that I can chroot locally from Gentoo, same way as I chroot from debian to install gentoo :) |
| 21:43.19 | stoned | doublehp, whats the problem? |
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| 21:43.42 | Frenzy- | doublehp it doesnt matter where i write "du -lsh lost+find" ? |
| 21:43.48 | doublehp | stoned: did nt know about that deb pack ... ****ing computing ambiguous names ! |
| 21:43.50 | stoned | doublehp, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Gentoo-filemanager.png |
| 21:43.54 | doublehp | stoned: Debian problem ? |
| 21:43.56 | webmind | thanks |
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| 21:44.08 | doublehp | stoned: that is not the first Google answer :) |
| 21:44.08 | stoned | doublehp, yes, why can't you get into debian? |
| 21:44.28 | stoned | yeah well google isn't fuckin god |
| 21:44.46 | stoned | first result doesn't always have to be it |
| 21:44.53 | stoned | sometimes one must look deeper |
| 21:44.56 | onetinsoldier | hello. i ran into a problem trying to compile something from source. after researching for a couple of hours and then comparing the contents of a couple of .m4 macro files, i decided to edit what looked like an error in one of the .m4 files included in debian |
| 21:45.00 | doublehp | stoned: I use Rox-filer as FM |
| 21:45.15 | onetinsoldier | the program is now compiling. i looked that the package that contains the .m4 file and see that it is a bug that was reported well over a year ago!! |
| 21:45.16 | stoned | doublehp, good as well, but not for I |
| 21:45.26 | onetinsoldier | anything we can do to light a fire under the maintainers arse? |
| 21:45.28 | RHyS | ....stoned, what blasphemy speak thee?! |
| 21:45.34 | RHyS | GOOGLE ISNT GOD?~! |
| 21:45.50 | astronut | RHyS: no, dpkg is |
| 21:45.55 | RHyS | you will burn in enternal hell. you will be forced to use OS/2 |
| 21:46.01 | stoned | I agree with astronut |
| 21:46.03 | astronut | RHyS: ouch |
| 21:46.05 | RHyS | -FOREVER- |
| 21:46.17 | astronut | RHyS: or windows without ctrl, alt, or delete |
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| 21:46.39 | RHyS | seriously though. if people can get google to block myspace and zanga as first hits for strings, unless specificly implied, id be happy |
| 21:46.55 | RHyS | noone cares about myspace or xanga |
| 21:46.57 | doublehp | stoned: I just discovered that losetup tha mkinitrd puts in initrd on Alpha does not tweak properly the underlaying settings when using non null offset ( -o ), so that bootparam rootparam=offset=12345 does not really make the jump at required place , so that after mounting tries to seek device, seeked place is not a usable FS |
| 21:47.08 | stoned | RHyS, you can simply block those domains n /etc/hosts |
| 21:47.21 | stoned | RHyS, also, customize google plugin for firefox |
| 21:47.42 | stoned | RHyS, also some 'monkey' something plugin that lets you change webpages with jscript before they get displayed |
| 21:47.47 | RHyS | stoned, blocking them in host.deny will not stop google from returning them in my search results. |
| 21:47.48 | stoned | totally customize the appearance of any web page |
| 21:48.00 | stoned | RHyS, did I say hosts.deny? |
| 21:48.07 | RHyS | /etc/hosts....wait |
| 21:48.09 | astronut | RHyS: uhmm, try site:-... maybe? |
| 21:48.09 | stoned | I explicitly mentioned /etc/hosts |
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| 21:48.11 | astronut | just a guess |
| 21:48.20 | stoned | make it resolve to 0.0.0.0 |
| 21:48.36 | astronut | or 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:48.36 | Frenzy- | doublehp but annyway i cant find the "/etc/mkinitrd/modules" on the system eather so its probobly there the error is? |
| 21:48.46 | stoned | 127 waits for localhost to respond or time out |
| 21:48.54 | stoned | 0.0.0.0 works instantly and doesn't display |
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| 21:49.05 | RHyS | stoned, but what the hell does that have to do with google search results? |
| 21:49.08 | doublehp | stoned: I finally discovered that EXACTLY THE SAME MOUNT COMMANT works from system, and fails from within initrd prompt ... further testing showd that faults come from losetup, cause "dd skip=12345" works fine, but mount -o offset=12345" doesnt ... so I have to manually set up loop0 using home made script , and putting system's losetup in hidden part of RD so that mkinitrd will leave nicely usable for my script ... |
| 21:49.15 | doublehp | stoned: spent 3 days on that ! |
| 21:49.33 | stoned | RHyS, did you miss it when I said your nick, and about the firefox extentions? |
| 21:49.37 | doublehp | Frenzy-: use completion ... |
| 21:49.46 | stoned | RHyS, if it is another browser, you're shit out of luck |
| 21:49.59 | RHyS | lol. stoned, i dont use debian as a client |
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| 21:50.06 | stoned | debian is a client? |
| 21:50.10 | stoned | I thought it was an os |
| 21:50.16 | Lafy | is there a program that works with diff outputs to take one of the compared files to produce the other? |
| 21:50.17 | RHyS | a client os. |
| 21:50.18 | stoned | I m ean it could be a client machine |
| 21:50.35 | doublehp | Frenzy-: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2798 |
| 21:50.35 | RHyS | stoned, im on XP right now, ssh'd into my debian server. |
| 21:50.43 | stoned | RHyS, and it doesn't matter what OS |
| 21:50.52 | RHyS | which has a highspeed connection at the local internet cafe. |
| 21:50.53 | hjubal | goodnight |
| 21:50.59 | stoned | firefox + extentions work on all oses, unless os specific functionality is there |
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| 21:51.16 | doublehp | Frenzy-: by the time I toild you that, debian was booting on way ... |
| 21:51.36 | stoned | RHyS, look man, you wanna block google bullshit, I am trying to help you, but if you keep shooting down all the possible things you could do, then you're on your own |
| 21:51.38 | stoned | :/ |
| 21:51.39 | RHyS | yea...i use opera. so i dont much care. google can do what it will, because google is god. :( it will probably try to rape me. |
| 21:51.46 | RHyS | no no stoned |
| 21:51.50 | RHyS | it was just a passing comment |
| 21:51.54 | RHyS | your in help mode |
| 21:51.57 | RHyS | :D |
| 21:52.00 | stoned | nope |
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| 21:52.09 | stoned | I'm in no weed + long day at work mode |
| 21:52.18 | stoned | My patience is running thing today |
| 21:52.20 | RHyS | hope its a good job |
| 21:52.26 | RHyS | pr0n testing or such |
| 21:52.52 | stoned | RHyS, you can block any google advertisement, even change how google displays its info, but you'll have to use firefox |
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| 21:53.13 | stoned | try to 0.0.0.0 out the *.googlesyndication.com |
| 21:53.14 | Vasistha | stoned: by using a custom style sheet? |
| 21:53.34 | stoned | Vasistha, no, some 'moneky' something plugin and customize google extention |
| 21:53.40 | eXistenZ | Is it possible to follow up what files the package modifies, and what it modifies when installed? |
| 21:53.55 | RHyS | stoned. seriously man. i dont care. ty for the help, but it was just a passing comment. |
| 21:54.05 | stoned | RHyS ok |
| 21:54.07 | RHyS | the only thing i came in to ask was about debian..why the hell it has 4 pkg managers |
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| 21:54.21 | stoned | it has 1 package managers with many frontends |
| 21:54.23 | stoned | I think |
| 21:54.31 | RHyS | i get dpkg and apt, but whats with aptitude and dselect |
| 21:54.35 | RHyS | aye, frontends then |
| 21:54.45 | stoned | it all uses dpkg-something or other |
| 21:54.55 | stoned | even dpkg itself is a frontend or a better somthing that uses dpkg-blah |
| 21:54.58 | stoned | whatever that blah is |
| 21:55.12 | eXistenZ | Can anyone help me? |
| 21:55.33 | hound | RHyS, did you say google is god? |
| 21:55.34 | Vasistha | eXistenZ: don't really understand your question |
| 21:55.40 | hound | RHyS, eeek, don't do that! |
| 21:55.45 | RHyS | hound, why? |
| 21:56.05 | eXistenZ | Vasistha, Is it possible that a package modify some config files to get some plugins working? |
| 21:56.06 | RHyS | can i uninstall aptitude and dselect without killing anything dependency wise? |
| 21:56.25 | stoned | !info aptitude |
| 21:56.51 | stoned | anytime now you lazy bot |
| 21:57.08 | RHyS | !info aptitude |
| 21:57.14 | RHyS | now bitch. |
| 21:57.19 | RHyS | :( |
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| 21:57.52 | Vasistha | eXistenZ: uh, maybe? What package? Which config files? Which plugins? |
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| 21:58.15 | eXistenZ | Vasistha, the libapache2-php5 |
| 21:58.29 | eXistenZ | Vasistha, I need to know what exatly it modifies in apache2.conf |
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| 21:58.43 | stoned | existence |
| 21:58.46 | stoned | er.. |
| 21:59.00 | stoned | eXistenZ, make a bakcup first, install package, diff it |
| 21:59.03 | Vasistha | eXistenZ: any reason you can't just archive the old one and do a diff afterwards/ |
| 21:59.14 | Vasistha | dpkg: hi |
| 21:59.14 | dpkg | salut, vasistha |
| 21:59.19 | RHyS | to get my cdrom working when i was installing the server..i honestly went through 15 cdroms i had lieing around, and the ide controller didnt like any of them. at last i screamed at the top of my lungs "WORK YOU FUCKING SON OF A BITCH" in the back room of the cafe, and yea....the last cdrom worked. i swear these damn things are sentinetn. |
| 21:59.19 | Frenzy- | doublehp a stuepid question but how du i use "comopletion" is it a config/setup program ore something? |
| 21:59.43 | quitte | does it change anything at all? i thought apache2 had conf.d for its configuration |
| 21:59.48 | eXistenZ | Vasistha, isn't it possible to follow up the process and check out why it doesn't copy the config files into the mods-availabe folder? |
| 21:59.56 | Vasistha | RHyS: that's quite a story ... what did the people in the cafe think of you? Not that you could read their minds, or care... |
| 22:00.15 | RHyS | .....eh. |
| 22:00.17 | stoned | well, people say they don't care about what others think, but they all do |
| 22:00.19 | stoned | its human nature |
| 22:00.20 | RHyS | adminremote.com |
| 22:00.21 | RHyS | check it out |
| 22:00.25 | stoned | and whoever denies it, is full of shit |
| 22:00.30 | RHyS | he runs a CS:S server |
| 22:00.45 | RHyS | stoned....i deny it. generally. |
| 22:00.48 | RHyS | depending on situation |
| 22:00.55 | stoned | RHyS, and you're full of shit, you win a prize! |
| 22:01.13 | stoned | no one is 100% anti social |
| 22:01.20 | RHyS | i never said 100% |
| 22:01.25 | RHyS | i said depending on situation |
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| 22:01.40 | RHyS | as in, i go to thanksgiving with my family, i care quite a bit. |
| 22:02.15 | doublehp | Frenzy-: just hit 'TAB' key :) |
| 22:02.17 | RHyS | most other times, i care as a general attitude, but not specifics. often times i craft an image, whatever the situation may be. but its ~ not caring. almost. :) |
| 22:02.51 | Vasistha | eXistenZ: I have no idea... what exactly are you trying to do, anyway? You're more likely to get useful help if you state your intent |
| 22:03.00 | doublehp | Frenzy-: works for commans and file names under bash and DOS(only win XP), nicks on IRC, and command options if you use bash_completion |
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| 22:04.06 | eXistenZ | Vasistha, the libapache2-php5 package is supposed to integrate php5 into apache by copying some files and modifying the apache2.conf. Now, to my astonishment, it doesn't copy those files. |
| 22:04.30 | eXistenZ | Vasistha, I'm trying to know what prevents that package from copying the files |
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| 22:05.02 | Vasistha | eXistenZ: sucks :-( hopefully someone in here will pipe up! I have no idea about the inner working of package management |
| 22:05.30 | polishkoop | hey all, I'm using debian etch kernel 2.4. I tried to upgrade to 2.6, but whenever I boot up the system I get an error that says ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 22:05.37 | doublehp | Frenzy-: I may be too tired to provide usable tips; ask some one else if my help is not revealant or does not solve (my tips often sound nice, and often *are* "useless" ) |
| 22:06.06 | Vasistha | polishkoop: I think there's some kind of weird udev problem right now... |
| 22:06.11 | Frenzy- | doublehp well i just want to get my bacup from home dir :p |
| 22:06.31 | Vasistha | !udev polishkoop |
| 22:06.48 | Vasistha | hrm, I guess I don't really understand how dpkg works |
| 22:06.50 | Vasistha | !udev |
| 22:06.51 | dpkg | well, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 22:07.17 | polishkoop | Vasistha: so I really can't do anything about it right now? |
| 22:07.35 | Vasistha | polishkoop: I have no idea ;-) There might very well be a way to solve your prob |
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| 22:07.42 | quitte | Vasistha: !tell polishkoop about udev |
| 22:07.57 | Vasistha | quitte: thanks... I'll do that next time |
| 22:07.59 | quitte | Vasistha: or even better msg the bot |
| 22:08.30 | polishkoop | Vasistha: I'm a pretty big linux noob, so I really have a very limited knowledge on anything like this. I have been here before and i posted my problem on some websites but no one has been able to help |
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| 22:09.47 | Vasistha | polishkoop: I will say that I understand a testing system is much more difficult to maintain than a stable system. stable is a little behind the times in terms of what packages are available, but it's a breeze to keep it running |
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| 22:10.06 | Blissex | polishkoop: a big n00b should really not be using an unreleased distribution... which is not really a distribution. |
| 22:10.30 | doublehp | Frenzy-: why do sda3 and ram0 have EXACTLY the same size ? |
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| 22:10.56 | polishkoop | to both of you, yeah but a friend recommended that I should use etch because my GUI woudln't work and something to do with my nVidia 6600gt |
| 22:11.06 | Blissex | polishkoop: however your particular error seems to indicate that perhaps the 2.6 kernel recognizes more of your motherboard's disk adapters and renumbers devices... |
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| 22:11.27 | Blissex | polishkoop: has your motherboard perchance got both ATA and SATA host adapters? |
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| 22:11.47 | Frenzy- | doublehp dunno i saw that by my self just now.. the sad3 shuld be aroud 160gig |
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| 22:12.25 | polishkoop | Blissex: actually... I think it does. I'm not 100% sure, but I'll whip out the manual. Gimme a second. |
| 22:12.30 | doublehp | Frenzy-: there are TWO DIFFERENT messages: ext2 driver mounted "root" readonly, because you need to fsck it; then, ext3 driver says that is mounted sda3 sucessfully without error (but with warnings ) |
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| 22:12.54 | Blissex | polishkoop: if so, disable the SATA thingies in the BIOS. |
| 22:12.55 | doublehp | Frenzy-: which kernel ? |
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| 22:13.04 | hocus | hi there's a way to print such as echo but colored ? |
| 22:13.15 | Frenzy- | doublehp Linux rescue-v4 2.6.16.20 #2 Wed Jun 7 12:10:34 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:13.22 | polishkoop | Blissex: My harddrive runs on SATA though |
| 22:13.26 | Blissex | hocus: sort of, but not much devices independent. |
| 22:13.37 | Blissex | polishkoop: ahhh interesting that's the problem. |
| 22:13.45 | doublehp | Frenzy-: I think we have gone to the bottom of available knownledges in my brain |
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| 22:13.46 | hocus | i mean something like echo %C1,4 Hello |
| 22:13.58 | hocus | and it outputs Hello in red |
| 22:14.03 | Blissex | polishkoop: under 2.4 SATA drives appear as '/dev/hdX', under 2.6 as '/dev/sdX', so '/dev/sda' in your vcase. |
| 22:14.19 | Blissex | hocus: check out 'man tput' for a low level solution. |
| 22:14.31 | polishkoop | Blissex: okay, so what should i do? |
| 22:14.38 | Vasistha | hocus: try without the comma? |
| 22:14.45 | Vasistha | hocus: oh, you're trying to do it in bash? |
| 22:14.55 | hocus | i want it on boot |
| 22:15.14 | Blissex | polishkoop: bad news, you need to change '/dev/hda' to '/dev/sda' in your boot config and other files in '/etc'. It is damn easy, but not for a n00b perhaps. |
| 22:15.22 | hocus | want to print a string colored instead of white |
| 22:15.53 | Frenzy- | doublehp hehe.. okey |
| 22:16.00 | polishkoop | Blissex: I've had to change some things around in my Xorg.conf file using nano. If I know what I'm looking for or trying to do I think I might be able to handle it |
| 22:16.06 | Frenzy- | doublehp i dont have a clue so :p |
| 22:16.22 | Space_Ace | A couple of questions: is the stability scale stable > testing > unstable? and what happens if I have them all in my sources.list (should I expect conflicts)? |
| 22:16.36 | Vasistha | hocus: here are some terminal color codes: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2799 |
| 22:16.52 | Blissex | polishkoop: well the crucial bits are the boot configuration (depends on whether you use LILO or GRUB) and '/etc/fstab'. |
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| 22:17.21 | polishkoop | Blissex: I'm using GRUB |
| 22:17.34 | Blissex | Space_Ace: if you have to ask this question don't touch 'testing' or 'unstable', and in particular don't put all of them in 'sources.list' |
| 22:18.13 | deuce868 | eXistenZ: Worst case you should be able to enmod php5 or whatever is listed in /etc/apache2/mode-available |
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| 22:18.24 | hocus | how to use these ? echo (code) text ? |
| 22:18.32 | doublehp | Frenzy-: IT WORKS ! IT MOUNTED ROOT ... after 3 days seeking bugs, trying to mount a RAID.1 / ... discovering several bugs in etch.CD, and mkinitrd, and other files ... I finally mounted / ... "read-only" ... now need to get it RW ... lets bet 3 more days :( |
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| 22:19.09 | hound | Does anyone know why I can't use dpkg-reconfigure to configure xorg.conf? using strace I can see that dpkg doesn't even attempt to md5sum xorg.conf, but I can't figure out what the problem is. I've tried setting the md5sums by hand, and I've dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 22:19.23 | Frenzy- | doublehp uhm.. :P ? |
| 22:19.33 | hocus | <Vasistha> how to use these ? echo (code) text ? |
| 22:19.37 | Vasistha | hocus: here's another resource: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#head-851695ef2681873345345d0a90b8e29a0a8febec |
| 22:20.04 | Space_Ace | Bliss: too late :-) |
| 22:20.11 | hocus | oh that's good |
| 22:20.12 | hocus | ;) |
| 22:20.12 | Blissex | polishkoop: edit '/boot/grub/menu.lst' and change '/dev/hd' to '/dev/sd' where it appears, it may be safer, to allow you you to boot in both 2.4 and 2.6, to have two slightly differently named entries, each with the different name |
| 22:20.53 | Blissex | Space_Ace: you are fairly doomed I suspect... |
| 22:21.29 | polishkoop | Blissex: okay ill try that, so after I do that should I try loading up 2.6? |
| 22:21.37 | Space_Ace | Indeed |
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| 22:22.09 | Blissex | polishkoop: yes, you should have then two entries: one with 2.4 and 'root=/dev/hda2' and the other with 2.6 and 'root=/dev/sda2' |
| 22:22.21 | some_dude | hey, I want to setup a software raid on my debian box, I've got 2 500gb hard drivers |
| 22:22.29 | some_dude | but i can't find the /dev/raidtab file |
| 22:22.53 | Blissex | Space_Ace: instead of asking how to cause trouble to yourself, why don't you say what you have done, what you want to achieve, and what is happening now that you don't like? |
| 22:23.15 | Space_Ace | Blissex: fact is that I tried to set up X on an AMD64, after having downloaded the net-install CD ... so I have my cross to carry |
| 22:23.34 | Blissex | Space_Ace: the bleeding edge, ahem, bleeds :-) |
| 22:23.51 | Blissex | Space_Ace: so what's your status and what you want to achieve? |
| 22:24.04 | RHyS_RHaVeN | Blissex, AMD64 isnt bleeding edge...its standered |
| 22:24.08 | RHyS_RHaVeN | standerd* |
| 22:24.14 | RHyS_RHaVeN | standard.. |
| 22:24.15 | RHyS_RHaVeN | shit |
| 22:24.24 | Vasistha | !nickometer RHyS_RHaVeN |
| 22:24.25 | dpkg | 'RHyS_RHaVeN' is 99.730% lame, vasistha |
| 22:24.45 | Vasistha | wow, I don't understand what governs it, but it is unpredictable, and sometimes funny! |
| 22:24.49 | RHyS | bestter? |
| 22:24.56 | RHyS | !nichometer RHyS |
| 22:24.57 | Vasistha | !nickometer RHyS |
| 22:24.58 | Blissex | RHyS_RHaVeN: sort of but not totally OK and especially not if you mix sources like crazy |
| 22:24.58 | dpkg | 'RHyS' is 14.000% lame, vasistha |
| 22:25.02 | Space_Ace | Blissex: it's long and painful, but in few words I managed to get xorg working, with the mouse out of control, so I tampered xorg.conf manually, and now xorg doesn't work |
| 22:25.08 | Vasistha | RHyS: yeah, considerably :D |
| 22:25.19 | RHyS | :) |
| 22:25.23 | Blissex | Space_Ace: what has that got to do with unreleased distros and mixing source levels? |
| 22:25.23 | RHyS | its my second |
| 22:25.58 | Blissex | !nickometer RHy5_RH4V3N |
| 22:26.00 | dpkg | 'RHy5_RH4V3N' is 99.160% lame, blissex |
| 22:26.08 | RHyS | wow. |
| 22:26.10 | Space_Ace | Blissex: I tried to fix things but apt-get couldn't fetch some missing libraries |
| 22:26.22 | RHyS | aye. rhys_rhaven is my name.about everywhere |
| 22:26.29 | Vasistha | weird... it's actually less lame if you substitute letters for silly numbers |
| 22:26.45 | Space_Ace | some were in the testing, but caused others from unstable to conflict and vice versa |
| 22:26.59 | Blissex | Vasistha: I suspect 'nickometer' is an inverse 'leetometer' |
| 22:27.12 | RHyS | hmm |
| 22:27.14 | Blissex | Space_Ace: ahhhhhhhhhhh, you are really totally doomed. |
| 22:27.20 | Vasistha | Blissex: but does that explain this?... |
| 22:27.20 | RHyS | !nickometer overlord_overkill2007 |
| 22:27.21 | dpkg | 'overlord_overkill2007' is 94.380% lame, rhys |
| 22:27.25 | Vasistha | !nickometer ________________________________ |
| 22:27.25 | RHyS | FUCK. |
| 22:27.26 | simonrvn | RHyS: try without so many caps |
| 22:27.26 | dpkg | '________________________________' is 99.9962% lame, vasistha |
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| 22:27.36 | Gnea | ok. |
| 22:27.52 | Space_Ace | Blissex: I must say that you know how to encourage people |
| 22:28.03 | Blissex | Space_Ace: well, I try my best :-) |
| 22:28.16 | Vasistha | !tell Space_Ace -about drxx |
| 22:28.19 | Blissex | Space_Ace: I set expectations low so when you fix it you feel really swell... |
| 22:28.20 | RHyS | hmm |
| 22:28.20 | RHyS | i wonder |
| 22:28.31 | RHyS | nickometer rhys |
| 22:28.35 | RHyS | !nickometer rhys |
| 22:28.37 | dpkg | 'rhys' is 0.000% lame, rhys |
| 22:28.42 | Gnea | how about, leave nickometer and dpkg alone |
| 22:28.42 | RHyS | !nickometer Rhys |
| 22:28.43 | dpkg | 'Rhys' is 0.000% lame, rhys |
| 22:28.49 | RHyS | hmm |
| 22:28.49 | RHyS | yea |
| 22:28.50 | Blissex | Space_Ace: but yes, basically it is a bit of a mess. The easiest solution would be a comprehensive cleanup. |
| 22:28.50 | RHyS | your right |
| 22:28.53 | Gnea | or /msg dpkg |
| 22:28.53 | RHyS | poor dpkg |
| 22:29.00 | blondie | !botrape |
| 22:29.01 | dpkg | STOP!!! please... no more... |
| 22:29.20 | Vasistha | Rhys: much easier on the eyes ;-) |
| 22:29.32 | Blissex | Space_Ace: however, just to check, how thoroughly conversant are your with 'aptitude' and its more obscure dependency management facilities? |
| 22:29.34 | Rhys | i cant even try to pronounce yours so dont start. |
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| 22:30.06 | Vasistha | Rhys: "Vah-seesh-tha" |
| 22:30.21 | Space_Ace | I screwed it up with aptitude, indeed |
| 22:30.53 | Blissex | Space_Ace: the two easiest things to do are to either upgrade all to 'unstable' and hope right now it is in a consistent state, or uninstall the X packages completely and reinstall a consistent 'testing' version. |
| 22:31.16 | Rhys | Vasistha, vas tab, and i dont bother sending it to my speech processing in my mind |
| 22:31.31 | Blissex | Space_Ace: if you know 'aptitude' well, it can be done on a ''pick-and-choose'', surgical way. |
| 22:31.37 | Space_Ace | Yeah, I tried it already, but clumsily I am afraid |
| 22:31.54 | Vasistha | Rhys: hehheh yeah -- actually part of the reason I chose it is because 'vas' is not a common prefix, so most people will be able to tab-complete very easily with 'vas' |
| 22:32.14 | Space_Ace | I did an "apt-get uninstaal * unstable" |
| 22:32.24 | Rhys | Vasistha, -rh- |
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| 22:32.51 | Space_Ace | then put all the testing repsitories in sources.list and then reinstalled xorg |
| 22:33.09 | hocus | during boot i've a fatal err msg but dmesg don't display it there's an option ? |
| 22:33.10 | Vasistha | Rhys: a kind of funny side effect is that I semi regularly get PM'd by Indian guys writing in Hindi |
| 22:33.21 | Blissex | Space_Ace: that is a bit dangerous, if you have basic stuff in 'unstable' that can screw things. |
| 22:33.22 | Space_Ace | but I've just discovered I was using obsolete mirrors |
| 22:33.33 | Vasistha | doomed, we say! |
| 22:33.36 | Blissex | Space_Ace: you are unlucky too :-) |
| 22:34.28 | Blissex | Space_Ace: given that you are already in a mess it can't get worse... So I shall give you my secret knowledge on how to run a mixed level 'sources.list'. That might help a bit to fix the mess. |
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| 22:35.08 | Space_Ace | When I think that all started with a stupid mouse ... |
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| 22:35.42 | Space_Ace | Blissex: but yes, please, illuminate me |
| 22:36.04 | Blissex | Space_Ace: BTW, what would be wrong with just updating everything with 'unstable'? A lot of people do that and it sort of works almost all the time. |
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| 22:36.50 | polishkoop | Blissex: hey man it worked thanks a lot |
| 22:36.53 | Space_Ace | so: 1) put the unstable repositories in sources.list 2) apt-get dselect-upgrade? |
| 22:37.02 | davidm | any trick to installing NVIDIA drivers? |
| 22:37.04 | Blissex | polishkoop: ahhh, it was a chance. |
| 22:37.08 | ktwilight | none davidm |
| 22:37.13 | davidm | ... not having any luck. |
| 22:37.19 | ktwilight | which doc ya following? |
| 22:37.36 | Blissex | Space_Ace: I usually use 'aptitude', but it would be 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 22:38.05 | ktwilight | sounds like ya solved it polishkoop ;) |
| 22:38.11 | Blissex | Space_Ace: with 'aptitude' you can do 'aptitude -t unstable' to target/pin 'unstable'. |
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| 22:38.22 | davidm | ktwilight: not using any doc, |
| 22:38.30 | davidm | would you like to suggest one? |
| 22:38.33 | ktwilight | wiki.debian.org has good docs davidm |
| 22:38.33 | Space_Ace | yes: capital U + g in aptitude |
| 22:38.44 | ktwilight | can't fail on that site. ;) |
| 22:39.13 | davidm | apt-get dist-upgrade is that for me? |
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| 22:39.23 | davidm | (New debian user here) |
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| 22:40.08 | Space_Ace | ok 1000 thanks - I'll try tomorrow - bye |
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| 22:48.09 | eXistenZ | what are good specs for a debian server? |
| 22:48.17 | eXistenZ | P3 512MB is fine? |
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| 22:48.46 | Gnea | sure |
| 22:48.49 | Craigevil | yes |
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| 22:49.26 | davidm | I'm running kernel version 2.4.27.3 and video card is NV15 [GeForce2 GTSo] (rev a3) |
| 22:49.28 | Gnea | DarkJesus: die. |
| 22:49.51 | DarkJesus | It's a channel for talk on the most splendid things |
| 22:50.01 | Gnea | !ops DarkJesus 15:49 < DarkJesus> Everyone join #splendid |
| 22:50.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: gnea complains about: DarkJesus 15:49 < DarkJesus> Everyone join #splendid |
| 22:50.03 | davidm | and wanting try out the nvidia driver from Nvidia |
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| 22:52.29 | davidm | ping 209.144.50.139 |
| 22:52.40 | blondie | error |
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| 22:53.02 | mentor | 4 packets sent; 0 packets received; 100% packet loss |
| 22:53.02 | davidm | sorry, wrong terminal |
| 22:55.09 | polishkoop | apt-get install gdm |
| 22:55.21 | mentor | guys...really. |
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| 23:04.13 | kamoricks | ...Ehm, is it normal when resizing a 100+GB partition down about 20GB that it will take forever? |
| 23:05.22 | Blissex | kamoricks: yes, o foolish one :-) |
| 23:05.56 | Craigevil | depends on how long forever is :) |
| 23:06.05 | orchid | nope |
| 23:06.12 | orchid | oops |
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| 23:06.35 | Craigevil | took about 5 minutes for me to resize a 80gb to a 40gb using Gparted livecd |
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| 23:10.54 | Chicken_Fire | hi folks |
| 23:11.30 | Chicken_Fire | How do I change the download timeout in for adept? do I have to change it for apt-get? how? |
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| 23:12.35 | sander_ | what can be wrong when it says "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds..." |
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| 23:12.40 | sander_ | when I print out a test page |
| 23:12.45 | cds | Anyone know how I kick ntp? |
| 23:12.46 | sander_ | trough cups web interface |
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| 23:13.40 | sander_ | when I stop/start the printer.. I get up "Printer State: idle, accepting jobs. " |
| 23:13.48 | sander_ | I mean.. start/stop cups |
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| 23:15.29 | davidm | how can I kill the xserver |
| 23:15.36 | Phroziac | Hi, I just got a cable modem, and a router. The gateway and dhcp settings need to be changed. How can I get back into the network configuration the installer uses? |
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| 23:16.07 | Phroziac | davidm: alt-ctrl-backspace if your keyboard is working. |
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| 23:17.36 | stoned | hi |
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| 23:17.56 | stoned | about time, that damn identd was giving me shit |
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| 23:18.21 | stoned | though I did discover that ident = root and freenode won't let you chat |
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| 23:18.27 | obscuresoul | hi |
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| 23:19.17 | obscuresoul | how can i disable the openoffice's quickstarter? |
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| 23:19.41 | stoned | obscuresoul, I don't know, but you can try asking #openoffice.org |
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| 23:20.48 | obscuresoul | stoned, tks :) |
| 23:20.54 | davidm | I'm trying to install NVIDIA driver and need to kill the xserver |
| 23:21.07 | stoned | obscuresoul, if you really want to thank me, next time spell out the word thanks |
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| 23:21.37 | stoned | davidm, alt + ctrl + backspace |
| 23:21.43 | davidm | I tried Alt-Ctrl-backsapce and it re-starts the xserver |
| 23:22.00 | davidm | I need to stop it so that I can do the NVIDIA driver install. |
| 23:22.04 | stoned | davidm, you have to /etc/init.d/(X)dm stop |
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| 23:22.10 | stoned | X being k, g, x |
| 23:22.17 | stoned | for kdm, gdm, xdm respectively |
| 23:22.17 | gentgeen__ | does anyone know (or can tell me where to find out) why the current Nvidia package and the current Kernel image is out of sync (at least for the -k7 ) |
| 23:22.32 | obscuresoul | stoned, ok :P |
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| 23:24.05 | davidm | stoned: I tried /etc/init.d/(X)dm stop and did not work |
| 23:24.16 | stoned | davidm, are you using your head? |
| 23:24.19 | Craigevil | why stop kdm just type su init 3 in a terminal |
| 23:24.20 | stoned | at all? |
| 23:24.29 | Craigevil | or ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 23:24.42 | stoned | davidm, what do you have, gdm or kdm or xdm? |
| 23:24.55 | davidm | syntax error, near unexpected token 'X' |
| 23:24.58 | stoned | davidm, for example, type /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 23:25.11 | stoned | or /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 23:25.48 | davidm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:25.57 | stoned | !tnx |
| 23:25.57 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
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| 23:28.10 | eXistenZ | Is python2.3 is used in debian testing? |
| 23:28.16 | simonrvn | init 3? um, no redhat here |
| 23:28.33 | Craigevil | init 3 works for me Debian Sid |
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| 23:28.44 | simonrvn | it does nothing |
| 23:28.53 | simonrvn | read inittab sometime |
| 23:28.58 | Craigevil | su or suod whichever you use the init 3 |
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| 23:29.01 | Craigevil | sudo |
| 23:29.12 | sidvicius | which person has tested XGL? |
| 23:29.21 | stoned | !runlevels |
| 23:29.22 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
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| 23:29.42 | Craigevil | logs me out of KDE and into terminal just like ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 23:29.52 | freakazoid0223 | stoned if you remember me asking about the sound not working earlier, would you suppose its possible that a file or files I had dowloaded from the mirror were corrupted and that was my problem? |
| 23:29.53 | simonrvn | sidvicius: no one has. go google |
| 23:29.53 | Craigevil | then you have to init 5 to restart kde |
| 23:30.06 | stoned | freakazoid0223, I have no idea, I don't remember |
| 23:30.12 | simonrvn | Craigevil: again, that's RH not debian |
| 23:30.21 | Craigevil | dude I run Debian Sid and thats how it works |
| 23:30.22 | stoned | Craigevil, debian uses 2-5 as same |
| 23:30.29 | stoned | if I am not mistaken |
| 23:30.29 | simonrvn | Craigevil: now please stop talking about irrelevant things |
| 23:30.31 | Craigevil | just installed Nvidia driver the otehr day |
| 23:30.33 | freakazoid0223 | ah ok no biggie |
| 23:30.42 | simonrvn | Craigevil: it does not. |
| 23:30.42 | stoned | freakazoid0223, you can tell me the problem again |
| 23:30.46 | Craigevil | whatever |
| 23:30.47 | formorer | stoned: you are right |
| 23:30.49 | simonrvn | Craigevil: frankly, you're full of it |
| 23:32.22 | gentgeen__ | maybe I should rephrase... any one point me to some info why kernel 2.6.16 is still in unstable, but nvidia 2.6.16 is already in testing? |
| 23:32.22 | freakazoid0223 | im in the process of doing the install over again, but basically the sound system couldnt find the driver for my sound blaster audigy board |
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| 23:32.58 | stoned | freakazoid0223, oh, I don't know. I've never had a sound card before |
| 23:33.08 | stoned | freakazoid0223, my sound has always been onboard |
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| 23:33.34 | stoned | freakazoid0223, intel i8xxxx etc. in alsa+dmix work perfectly |
| 23:33.55 | stoned | I should look up sound blaster |
| 23:34.07 | stoned | what is that like a standard or a card company? |
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| 23:34.13 | stoned | !soundblaster |
| 23:34.14 | dpkg | somebody said soundblaster was at opensource.creative.com for Extigy /msg dpkg Extigy |
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| 23:34.49 | freakazoid0223 | yeah that started making cards before even wavetable was all the rage |
| 23:34.59 | stoned | ahh |
| 23:35.09 | freakazoid0223 | rescently they bought out 3dlabs |
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| 23:35.32 | cds | How come I get " no servers can be used" whne running ntpdate? |
| 23:35.34 | freakazoid0223 | well about 2 yrs ago |
| 23:35.41 | stoned | yeah I hear everhwhere and see stuff on windows even like soundblaster compatible card. Used to see adlib compatible cards and other brands but they soon died out of old dos game options menus. |
| 23:35.54 | stoned | cds, you have to specify a server |
| 23:36.00 | cds | stoned: Where? |
| 23:36.01 | stoned | I think like ntpdate ntp.debian.org |
| 23:36.06 | stoned | I've not used ntp in ages |
| 23:36.24 | stoned | or at least there used to be ntp.debian.org |
| 23:36.25 | cds | Now I get "no server suitable for synchronization found" |
| 23:36.31 | freakazoid0223 | yeah rescently turtle beach has made a comeback |
| 23:36.37 | stoned | cds, google for an ntp server man |
| 23:36.39 | stoned | c'mon |
| 23:36.57 | cds | Ah, it didn't exist. |
| 23:37.04 | cds | Thought it was a problem with a server that was there. |
| 23:37.06 | cds | Thanks! |
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| 23:38.44 | simonrvn | i was a bit hard on Craigevil... |
| 23:39.08 | stoned | a bit |
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| 23:39.22 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 23:39.25 | stoned | its ok though |
| 23:39.47 | stoned | I tried to tell him the factoid but he quit |
| 23:39.56 | stoned | anyone else interested |
| 23:39.59 | stoned | !runlevel |
| 23:39.59 | dpkg | runlevel is probably 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels, or note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. |
| 23:40.15 | simonrvn | erm, needs an edit |
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| 23:40.35 | freakazoid0223 | now would that be the same as i openbsd or solaris? |
| 23:40.39 | Chicken___Fire | aarg, I have to press ok for the java licences to install java 1.5, but the adept installer hides it ;(((( |
| 23:40.42 | freakazoid0223 | in |
| 23:40.46 | simonrvn | !no runlevel is <reply> 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels. note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. |
| 23:40.46 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 23:41.15 | servus | Nope not yet |
| 23:41.18 | servus | Eek! |
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| 23:43.18 | markuzz | I just decided to use debian for the first time as a desktop, i installed default packages from the cd, however I'm having some problems installing packages e.g. gaim and getting an error that tere are unmet dependencies and that they are not installable, is there a file i can edit that will allow me to install my own packages with less bitching? |
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| 23:43.45 | markuzz | I know in gentoo, I can edit a file to unmask packages |
| 23:44.06 | markuzz | i'm not exactly sure how apt works in this manner i'm sure the solution is very simple :> |
| 23:44.15 | stoned | markuzz, you are using sarge? |
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| 23:45.09 | markuzz | using 3.1 |
| 23:45.47 | markuzz | stable i don't think it's sarge I'm completely new to this distro so not exactly sure :> |
| 23:45.54 | markuzz | uname doesn't display which version |
| 23:45.58 | stoned | markuzz, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:45.59 | simonrvn | uname -r |
| 23:46.01 | markuzz | and neither does cat debian_version |
| 23:46.06 | simonrvn | !version |
| 23:46.07 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 23:46.19 | markuzz | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 23:48.05 | stoned | simonrvn, why are we looking at his kernel version |
| 23:48.11 | markuzz | :P |
| 23:48.15 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 23:48.21 | markuzz | debian-31r1-i386 |
| 23:48.45 | simonrvn | better than looking at his uderwear |
| 23:48.48 | simonrvn | und* |
| 23:48.49 | markuzz | haha |
| 23:49.01 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 23:49.01 | stoned | lol |
| 23:49.15 | freakazoid0223 | :/ |
| 23:49.20 | stoned | markuzz, out of curiousity, you said /etc/debian_version has nothing |
| 23:49.21 | stoned | or something |
| 23:49.47 | simonrvn | freakazoid0223: what, you wanted to look at his underwear? maybe if you're nice he'll let you ;p |
| 23:49.58 | stoned | <markuzz> and neither does cat debian_version |
| 23:50.04 | freakazoid0223 | umm no thanks :P |
| 23:50.06 | markuzz | the debian version just says 3.1 |
| 23:50.08 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:50.12 | markuzz | ;) |
| 23:50.17 | stoned | markuzz, oh I thought you meant it said nothing |
| 23:50.33 | markuzz | no i meant nothing useful |
| 23:50.35 | markuzz | sorry |
| 23:50.42 | stoned | eitherway |
| 23:51.07 | markuzz | gotta run I'll come back and poke at this a bit more later thanks anyways :) |
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| 23:52.47 | simonrvn | 3.1 is sarge |
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| 23:58.30 | some_dude | what ftp server should I use to setup a ftp server ? |
| 23:58.55 | holycow | vsftpd |
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| 23:59.06 | holycow | its incredibly fast from my testing |
| 23:59.15 | some_dude | stable ? |
| 23:59.34 | holycow | ive never had an ftp server fail so not sure what the question means |
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