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| 00:01.01 | jian1 | I want to make a image out of a bunch of files |
| 00:01.33 | jian1 | trying dd if=/dir of=image.file |
| 00:01.39 | jian1 | however, doesn't work |
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| 00:05.16 | davidm | where would kernel soruces be installed |
| 00:05.32 | rsk | /usr/src/linux-* |
| 00:05.39 | davidm | rsk, tnx |
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| 00:07.35 | davidm | I see: /usr/src/linux-2.4.27.tar.bz2 |
| 00:07.47 | davidm | Shouldn't that be unpacked? |
| 00:08.06 | davidm | (I used apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27 |
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| 00:09.14 | davidm | Is there something else I was supposed to do? |
| 00:09.40 | DaBlade | This is probably the most off-topic anyone's been in this channel, but does anyone here happen to know anything about chemical process flowcharts? |
| 00:10.40 | davidm | should I just unzip it? |
| 00:10.58 | stew | davidm: yes |
| 00:11.16 | davidm | i.e. tar -jxvf /usr/src/linux-2.4.27.tar.bz2 |
| 00:11.24 | davidm | just like that? |
| 00:11.38 | stew | davidm: no, it would be named /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27.tar.bz2 |
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| 00:12.24 | davidm | stew: ? |
| 00:12.34 | davidm | I'm not supposed to unzip it? |
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| 00:13.27 | stew | davidm: you are, but it wouldnt' be named linux-2.4.27.tar.bz2, it would be named kernel-source-2.4.27.tar.bz2 |
| 00:15.00 | davidm | oh, yea, that's what I ment |
| 00:15.43 | stew | davidm: what do you need 2.4 kernel source for? |
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| 00:18.08 | some_dude | how can i sync to ftp servers ? |
| 00:18.25 | some_dude | two ftp servers |
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| 00:19.07 | some_dude | I've got 2 ftp servers, they both have ssh, and vsftpd, but that's all |
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| 00:27.22 | sobersabre | hi guys... what are these frightening .pdiff messages I got today on apt-get update ? |
| 00:27.42 | sobersabre | is this someting VERY evil, or just a little ? |
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| 00:29.31 | pigor | hello. i have just compiled my own kernel with "make-kpkg --initrd binary". then i changed the configuration again. what to do now? do i have to "make clean" or anything else or just again "make-kpkg ..."? |
| 00:30.29 | sobersabre | it depends on the northern winds. the cleanest && safest way would be cleaning. |
| 00:30.29 | davidm | what would I need to change to get my system to not start the X server. |
| 00:30.30 | davidm | ? |
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| 00:31.02 | sobersabre | davidm: rm -f /etc/rc?.d/S*gdm |
| 00:31.10 | sobersabre | it is quite radical... |
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| 00:31.24 | pigor | sobersabre: no shortcut possible? |
| 00:31.39 | sobersabre | ? |
| 00:31.41 | davidm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:32.06 | sobersabre | well, davidm this symlink is the one that launches gdm on init 2 |
| 00:32.20 | sobersabre | look in /etc/rc2.d yourself |
| 00:32.28 | pigor | sobersabre: thanks for your hint |
| 00:32.50 | sobersabre | a symlink can be very dangerous |
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| 00:34.59 | davidm | I guess I could also chmod -x /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm ? |
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| 00:36.49 | jose | Hi. How can I enable to users to change its own password after the account is created? |
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| 00:36.57 | gentgeen__ | trying to install moodle, and get a error during the 'dpkg --configure moodle' ERROR: permission denied for relation pg_shadow |
| 00:37.06 | jose | Hi. How can I enable to users to change its own password after the account is created in egroupware? |
| 00:37.28 | jose | gentgeen if you have problems let me know. |
| 00:37.44 | sobersabre | jose is there a #egroupware channel ? |
| 00:37.47 | gentgeen__ | have no clue what to do :-} |
| 00:37.49 | nolasco | davidm: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 00:37.54 | nolasco | davidm: update-rc.d -f kdm remove |
| 00:37.57 | nolasco | davidm: update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 00:37.59 | jose | yes....its useless :( |
| 00:38.03 | sobersabre | nolasco thanks!! |
| 00:38.03 | nolasco | davidm: update-rc.d -f selectwm remove |
| 00:38.10 | nolasco | =) |
| 00:38.22 | sobersabre | this is a civilized man! |
| 00:38.32 | nolasco | hehe |
| 00:38.45 | nolasco | i try |
| 00:38.59 | gentgeen__ | jose, I guess your not sure how to get past that error either? I am using postgreSQL on Stable |
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| 00:39.01 | sobersabre | romania ? |
| 00:39.28 | sobersabre | so, what is this about the .pdiff things ? |
| 00:39.32 | jose | gent are you aptitude the moodle? |
| 00:39.40 | gentgeen__ | jose, yes |
| 00:39.57 | jose | ok...postgresql 7 ? |
| 00:39.58 | comsa | ls |
| 00:40.02 | gentgeen__ | jose, yes |
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| 00:40.13 | sobersabre | comsa ... wrong term... ? |
| 00:40.15 | sobersabre | :) |
| 00:40.49 | comsa | yep |
| 00:40.50 | gentgeen__ | had a AUTH error at first, edited the /etc/moodle/config.php file and then issued 'dpkg --configure moodle' and now I get the pg_shadow error |
| 00:41.13 | jose | Ok...did you try with the last version? just in case.... |
| 00:41.42 | jose | do you have others systems working with postresql? |
| 00:41.56 | gentgeen__ | nope, first try at postresql :-) |
| 00:42.15 | jose | Ok...postgresql and moodle in the same machine? |
| 00:42.22 | gentgeen__ | jose, yep |
| 00:43.08 | jose | ok...I dont remember well but I think you have to edit pg_hb_something in /etc/potgres... |
| 00:43.21 | jose | to enable the local connections |
| 00:43.39 | jose | but you are connecting well isn? |
| 00:43.48 | gentgeen__ | saw that in the doc/moodle/README.Debian did that |
| 00:44.00 | gentgeen__ | but you are connecting well isn? --- sorry, not sure what you mean |
| 00:44.48 | jose | I mean if the user and pass that are setup in config file of moodle are working properly. |
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| 00:46.03 | jose | usually postgresql with moodle needs some extra configs ... if you are testing the moodle (debian stable version) it is not a bad idea to try with mysql. |
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| 00:46.27 | Arafangion | How do I setup nvidia with debian sarge? |
| 00:46.33 | Arafangion | I have typed: apt-get install nvidia-glx |
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| 00:46.55 | Arafangion | But it doesn't work, for some reason, regardless of how I configure xfree86, it fails to find the 'nvidia' driver. |
| 00:47.01 | simonrvn | !tell Arafangion about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:47.25 | gentgeen__ | Ya, I used the same username and password that is in the /etc/moodle/config.php to connect to, then create a 'kdstest' database from the command line... |
| 00:47.37 | Arafangion | simonrvn: That's quite the one-liner! Thanks. |
| 00:48.22 | gentgeen__ | jose, might try that have more experience with mySQL (not that I truly understand it any better, just more experience :-) ) |
| 00:49.37 | jose | no problem gentgeen....I usually set up systems with mysql and if it works fine I get the postgresql :) |
| 00:49.55 | Arafangion | simonrvn: If the nvidia-glx package had decent documentation, I wouldn't have had to ask here. |
| 00:50.03 | gentgeen__ | ^_^ is that a vote for mySQL?? |
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| 00:50.08 | jose | by the way gentgeen_ .. moodle is a great system. |
| 00:50.23 | jose | I prefer postgresql for large environments. |
| 00:50.25 | simonrvn | their docs are rather bleh. the debian readme is better |
| 00:50.35 | gentgeen__ | the school I work for is looking at Blackboard... want to give them another option |
| 00:50.45 | gentgeen__ | pretty sure they are not even aware of other options :-) |
| 00:50.45 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Not much better. |
| 00:51.01 | jose | Blackboard is good...but moodle is wide better :) |
| 00:51.09 | gentgeen__ | !tell gentgeen__ about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:51.32 | gentgeen__ | hee just curious.. having related issues |
| 00:51.57 | gentgeen__ | I used Blackboard a while back, was not impressed.... thought I would check out Moodle and see if it would be nicer |
| 00:52.24 | jose | but gentgeen ... try downloading the last stable version from moodle.org .. its really stable and better. |
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| 00:53.12 | zephyrus | my /etc/services was removed |
| 00:53.16 | zephyrus | anyone have a default? |
| 00:53.22 | jose | Doen anyone know how to enable "password change" to users in egroupware? |
| 00:54.33 | gentgeen__ | jose, now that I think about it.... downloading something like that is not 'troublesome' since it would just be untared into a folder right??? (i.e. no need to make && make install) |
| 00:54.38 | zephyrus | rm -rf /glftpd; rm -f /etc/glftpd.conf; cat /etc/services | grep -v glftpd > /etc/services; cat /etc/inetd.conf | grep -v ^glftpd > /etc/inetd.conf; /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 00:54.43 | zephyrus | when i did that, it removed /etc/services |
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| 00:54.55 | zephyrus | can someone confirm that line should definitly, *not* remove services |
| 00:55.04 | comsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.41 | gentgeen__ | zephyrus, let me try it an see if it removes my /etc/services (GRIN) |
| 00:56.03 | zephyrus | im asking if anyone can try it in a vms enviroment or something |
| 00:56.18 | Dewi | zephyrus: why? |
| 00:56.37 | gentgeen__ | I figured... just being goofy |
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| 00:57.00 | Dewi | zephyrus: it could empty /etc/services if your grep goes wrong |
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| 00:57.18 | Dewi | zephyrus: and it will go wrong |
| 00:57.20 | zephyrus | great |
| 00:57.24 | Dewi | zephyrus: because you're catting a file over itself |
| 00:57.26 | zephyrus | anything i can do to reverse that? |
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| 00:57.45 | Dewi | zephyrus: to reverse it? Restore from backup. |
| 00:57.58 | zephyrus | im fucked |
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| 00:58.44 | gentgeen__ | zephyrus, I have an unedited version from Stable.... |
| 00:58.45 | zephyrus | can someone post their /etc/services for me |
| 00:59.00 | zephyrus | 2.6.14.6-grsec |
| 00:59.01 | gentgeen__ | http://gentgeen.homelinux.org/services.txt |
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| 00:59.15 | zephyrus | thanks |
| 00:59.33 | gentgeen__ | thats from a Debian stable, 2.4.27-2-386 kernel |
| 00:59.35 | gentgeen__ | np |
| 00:59.40 | gentgeen__ | no problem |
| 00:59.51 | gentgeen__ | if that matters any |
| 00:59.56 | zephyrus | i hope grsec didn't disable many of those |
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| 01:00.48 | gentgeen__ | zephyrus, let me know if you got it... gonna delete when you do |
| 01:01.15 | zephyrus | got |
| 01:01.16 | zephyrus | thanks |
| 01:01.29 | gentgeen__ | sure |
| 01:01.56 | gentgeen__ | now make some backups (GRIN) |
| 01:02.02 | zephyrus | god:/vms/jail/glftpd# cd .. |
| 01:02.03 | zephyrus | cd: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 01:02.03 | zephyrus | god:.# cd .. |
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| 01:02.05 | Dewi | zephyrus: the reason why it failed is that piped things run in parallel |
| 01:02.36 | Dewi | heh |
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| 01:04.08 | jose | Doen anyone know how to enable "password change" to users in egroupware? |
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| 01:05.06 | gentgeen__ | jose, Man I wish I could help you with that... I kind of owe you one |
| 01:05.13 | zephyrus | is their anyway to install proftpd alongside pureftpd? |
| 01:05.36 | jose | no man for egroupware :( |
| 01:05.49 | gentgeen__ | zephyrus, don't know, but why? |
| 01:06.35 | zephyrus | because glftpd doesnt like me |
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| 01:06.55 | Dewi | zephyrus: BTW: the reason why it failed is that piped things run in parallel, and the first write of the destination would have truncated the file which was still being read |
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| 01:07.40 | gentgeen__ | zephyrus, but what I don't get is why do you need two ftp ? |
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| 01:09.56 | zephyrus | one for shell accounts |
| 01:09.59 | zephyrus | one for non shell accounts |
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| 01:10.19 | gentgeen__ | jose, why do you like postXXXSQL for large deployments ?? I might have to help out with this later at the school. |
| 01:12.30 | Dewi | zephyrus: are you sure it's worth having one for non shell accounts? |
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| 01:12.43 | zephyrus | yes |
| 01:13.40 | Dewi | to me, even one FTPd seems like way too many :P |
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| 01:16.04 | jose | there are many reasons....depending on the category. |
| 01:16.18 | zephyrus | indeed |
| 01:16.48 | stoned | I thought it was spelled Zephyrous |
| 01:17.22 | stoned | is it the same deal as Nefarius and Nefarious |
| 01:17.38 | stoned | what is that like british/american difference or am I just crazy |
| 01:18.25 | zephyrus | i suppose ;') |
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| 01:19.30 | stoned | color and colour and labour and labor and yes thats it |
| 01:19.33 | Dewi | -us = noun, -ous = adjective |
| 01:20.03 | Dewi | stoned: that's completely different; that's dropping u's not o's |
| 01:20.16 | stoned | second part of sentence was in response to yours |
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| 01:21.15 | Dewi | Nefarius isn't a word, BTW. It's just a latin-style name |
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| 01:21.42 | stoned | Nefarious means evil, it is a word, could be a noun |
| 01:21.59 | Dewi | it's an adjective |
| 01:22.00 | stoned | nouns are also words though |
| 01:22.02 | stoned | :/ |
| 01:22.07 | Dewi | and nobody drops the 'o', not even americans |
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| 01:23.02 | stoned | i've seen it spelled both ways |
| 01:23.09 | stoned | I have no reason to make things up |
| 01:23.17 | Dewi | then you've been reading poorly spelled documents |
| 01:23.52 | stoned | I don't think so |
| 01:24.03 | stoned | you're quick to judge and reach conclusions |
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| 01:24.30 | Dewi | stoned: and you're quick to make claims about english despite not knowing the difference between a noun and an adjective |
| 01:24.43 | stoned | which claim? |
| 01:24.44 | Dewi | or doing any basic googling of what you're saying |
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| 01:26.35 | stoned | what, can't produce an example now? |
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| 01:27.09 | Dewi | produce an example of a word not existing? |
| 01:27.16 | Dewi | I think you need to produce an example of it existing :) |
| 01:27.18 | stoned | now you're avoiding |
| 01:27.26 | stoned | which claims did I make? |
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| 01:27.52 | simonrvn | i claim to have invented the intarwebs |
| 01:28.00 | Dewi | that 'nefarius' is a word; that 'nefarious' is a noun; that americans drop 'o's out of words the way they do with 'u's |
| 01:28.15 | stoned | nope, made no such claims |
| 01:28.16 | simonrvn | nefarius isn't a word |
| 01:28.18 | stoned | read carefully |
| 01:28.33 | stoned | <stoned> Nefarious means evil, it is a word, could be a noun |
| 01:28.35 | stoned | I hope you can read |
| 01:28.51 | simonrvn | american do drop o's but not all the time (unless they can't spell for beans ;) |
| 01:28.52 | Dewi | maybe you should read careful what I said |
| 01:29.05 | stoned | I'm not the one being a penis here |
| 01:29.08 | Dewi | simonrvn: got any examples? |
| 01:29.09 | stoned | chill out |
| 01:29.12 | Dewi | simonrvn: out of interest |
| 01:29.28 | simonrvn | neighbour/neighbor |
| 01:29.38 | Dewi | that's a dropped 'u', not 'o' |
| 01:29.38 | simonrvn | er, u's not o's |
| 01:30.01 | Dewi | yeah. |
| 01:30.14 | simonrvn | Dewi: FFS you got me all confuzzled you you you u-user you |
| 01:30.19 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 01:30.26 | Dewi | :) |
| 01:30.30 | stoned | <stoned> color and colour and labour and labor and __yes thats it__ --- <Dewi> -us = noun, -ous = adjective -- part in __ was in response to you, like yes thats what I was talking about |
| 01:30.57 | stoned | how you gather me not knowing english or grammar is beyond me |
| 01:31.08 | Dewi | stoned: except I had not spoken when you typed that |
| 01:31.14 | stoned | umm |
| 01:31.25 | stoned | it shows up here first you and then me |
| 01:31.26 | simonrvn | ok. now both of you. stfu please :) |
| 01:31.28 | Dewi | stoned: unless you count discussions about ftpd |
| 01:31.29 | sid | !start a grammar war |
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| 01:31.51 | stoned | just because your irc showos up different doesn't mean thats how it is |
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| 01:31.54 | gentgeen__ | "me not knowing english or grammar" --- not an english teacher, but that sounds odd enough to me |
| 01:32.25 | stoned | its not about grammar or being right, its about misunderstanding and then being a prick on top of it |
| 01:32.28 | stoned | let it go |
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| 01:32.56 | Dewi | stoned: so... I have like 13 seconds lag between my irc client and... my irc client? seems unlikely |
| 01:33.16 | Dewi | anyway, that's enough for now I think. |
| 01:33.30 | stoned | caught on, have you |
| 01:33.38 | gavagai | this is like 100 times more exciting than the world cup |
| 01:33.45 | stoned | oh the world cup |
| 01:34.04 | stoned | good stuff on tv lately, I always enjoy the cricket/soccer world cups |
| 01:34.34 | gavagai | not me... my friends wanted me to get up to watch england at 8 am today... uh so i can spend hours watching a match won by a single own goal? sorry! </american rant> |
| 01:35.27 | gavagai | then on to a thrilling nil-nil tie |
| 01:36.17 | stoned | I will name my child Nefarius, and then it will be his name. meaning, a noun. By golly I will make it a goddamn noun |
| 01:36.20 | stoned | :D |
| 01:36.29 | Dewi | it always would have been |
| 01:36.37 | stoned | then wtf were you on about |
| 01:36.40 | stoned | hah, fell right into it |
| 01:36.41 | stoned | :D |
| 01:37.05 | Dewi | it's not a word, but if it was it would be a noun, because it has a noun's suffix |
| 01:37.20 | stoned | dude, everything is a word, thats how we have language |
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| 01:38.15 | Dewi | stoned: sneep garble fegleem nargosant. |
| 01:38.20 | Dewi | QED. |
| 01:38.30 | stoned | those are words too |
| 01:38.38 | stoned | unknown to us, but those are still words |
| 01:38.50 | Dewi | okay theen, don't forget what I just said |
| 01:38.56 | Dewi | it could save your life |
| 01:38.56 | stoned | we may not know thier meaning, but those are words |
| 01:39.10 | polishkoop | I am using debian etch, kernel 2.6 and I am unable to install nvidia drivers. The nv drivers do not work, so I am temporarily using vesa until I can get correct nvidia drivers. However when I try to install nvidia-gfx, i get a message that says package is not installable. |
| 01:39.16 | stoned | what is a word? something with a meaning ascociated with it |
| 01:39.38 | Dewi | stoned: which is where words like "nargle" and "nefarius" fail to be words - they have no meaning |
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| 01:40.10 | phogg | Dewi: nefarious has no meaning? |
| 01:40.16 | stoned | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nefarius |
| 01:40.17 | stoned | its a noun |
| 01:40.22 | stoned | it means evil, sort of |
| 01:40.24 | stoned | along those lines |
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| 01:40.28 | Dewi | phogg: no, the version with no "o" that stoned likes to use |
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| 01:40.48 | stoned | fictional maybe, but still a noun |
| 01:40.54 | Dewi | stoned: actually it says that's a name from the marvel comics universe |
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| 01:41.06 | stoned | lol who gives a shit |
| 01:41.07 | stoned | its a name |
| 01:41.09 | stoned | its a fucking name |
| 01:41.11 | stoned | jeez |
| 01:41.13 | stoned | im done |
| 01:41.15 | phogg | Dewi: we have this lovely tihng in wenglish called "Alternate spelling." It hurts to admit it, but we invent new ones all the time. |
| 01:41.24 | Dewi | phogg: except that this isn't one |
| 01:41.30 | Dewi | phogg: it's a completely different word |
| 01:41.48 | Dewi | americans did NOT take the word "nefarious" and change it to something else |
| 01:42.02 | phogg | Dewi: americans didn't, but let's say stoned did. |
| 01:42.09 | stoned | Dewi, no one else here but you connected two different senteces together |
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| 01:42.14 | Dewi | if somebody made a name that sounded like it, that is a completely different and unrelated affair to american <-> british differences in spelling |
| 01:42.15 | stoned | I didn't say those together |
| 01:42.24 | stoned | don't put words in my mouth or fabricate thigns |
| 01:42.26 | Dewi | 11:17:22 < stoned> is it the same deal as Nefarius and Nefarious |
| 01:42.27 | stoned | to prove your point |
| 01:42.32 | stoned | thats a question |
| 01:42.34 | stoned | you dipwad |
| 01:42.37 | stoned | good god man |
| 01:42.41 | Dewi | yeah, and I said "no" |
| 01:42.45 | stoned | ok |
| 01:42.47 | Dewi | and you haven't shut up since |
| 01:42.48 | stoned | then whats the problem? |
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| 01:42.53 | Dewi | I don't know. Stop talking. |
| 01:42.57 | polishkoop | wtf is going on |
| 01:43.03 | Gokee2 | how big of swap is it good to have? I have *plenty* of room to spare.... (I have a 256 MB stick of ram and intent on getting another soon) |
| 01:43.13 | phogg | Dewi: Ah, I see. Reading the start of the conversation helps. |
| 01:43.14 | stoned | 512mb should be alright |
| 01:43.35 | VolVE | Anyone got any tips for figuring out why my IOWAIT numbers seem to randomly jump to 100% and stall the system? :( |
| 01:43.56 | Gokee2 | stoned, hmm thats pretty small.... I will give it a gig. |
| 01:44.00 | kiki_ | hello #debian |
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| 01:44.03 | Dewi | VolVE: usually that means a disk is being hit heavily |
| 01:44.05 | phogg | Gokee2: I'm using half the size of ram these days. If it's less than 512 use twice ram instead. |
| 01:44.32 | stoned | like I said its a misunderstanding and you keep being a dick about it, you want to have the last word, okay, I suck you rule, you win, I lose, have fun. |
| 01:44.32 | Dewi | VolVE: is this a permanent stall? |
| 01:44.33 | stoned | Gokee2, 512 is more than enough really |
| 01:44.35 | VolVE | Dewi: it passes after a few seconds, but none of the disks should be getting hit heavily |
| 01:44.54 | Gokee2 | stoned, hmm but more is better eh? |
| 01:44.57 | stoned | no |
| 01:45.05 | Gokee2 | Why not? |
| 01:45.17 | Dewi | VolVE: I suppose it could indicate a problem with the disks or interfaces |
| 01:45.31 | servus | VolVE: is DMA turned on, on the drive? Try hdparm /dev/hda (changing drive id), and looking for using_dma |
| 01:45.31 | kiki_ | is it true that security.debian.org has been rk ? |
| 01:45.37 | Dewi | kiki_: rk? |
| 01:45.48 | kiki_ | rootkited |
| 01:46.01 | Dewi | where'd you hear that? |
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| 01:46.38 | kiki_ | well i don't know |
| 01:46.42 | VolVE | servus: it's actually an Areca RAID controller so hdparm doesn't show a whole lot |
| 01:46.51 | kiki_ | on #debian-fr i think |
| 01:47.12 | Dewi | kiki_: I haven't heard anything, and the site looks normal, so I have no idea |
| 01:47.18 | servus | Oh, well, maybe there is another way to see if DMA is working. That's all I can think of :) |
| 01:47.28 | Gokee2 | stoned, well? |
| 01:47.28 | bwlang | I get this warning during and upgrade... " The kernel was compiled without DEVFS, but the '/dev' directory structure implements the DEVFS filesystem." but i don't know what to do about it - and google's not much help... anybody know? |
| 01:47.39 | stoned | well what? |
| 01:47.46 | stoned | oh |
| 01:48.04 | Gokee2 | stoned, well how is more not as good? |
| 01:48.35 | Dewi | Gokee2: personally I wouldn't set a total higher than 2gb, it'd be a waste |
| 01:48.48 | stoned | well because swap space twice as big as your ram is good enough. any more is overkill, but wouldn't hurt, neither would it provide any performance increase, and when paging/swapping occurs, does't matter how big the swap is, your ram is low, swap will be used heavily |
| 01:49.11 | Dewi | Gokee2: at the moment I have 1.5gb total, but it all depends how much stuff you want to run. |
| 01:49.49 | kiki_ | what about gentoo ? i have heard about it as a very powerfull linux distribution but i am a newbie so i am not sure about it. Can you please give me your advice ? |
| 01:49.57 | Gokee2 | Dewi, with swap and ram I would have 1256 MB of space. think I need more? |
| 01:50.01 | stoned | kiki_, #gentoo |
| 01:50.03 | Dewi | kiki_: you won't hear recommendations for that in here |
| 01:50.14 | deejoe | hehe |
| 01:50.24 | Dewi | Gokee2: probably not |
| 01:51.04 | kiki_ | i am looking for an free unix distribution but i don't know wich one to choose. |
| 01:51.10 | stoned | Gokee2, then why are you asking, make a 10gb swap then |
| 01:51.16 | stoned | hell, why not go for a 100gb swap |
| 01:51.23 | stoned | bigger is better right :) |
| 01:51.26 | Gokee2 | heh I don`t want to wast it |
| 01:51.41 | Gokee2 | just so I have enough I never want more |
| 01:51.46 | phogg | kiki_: opensolaris or one of the BSDs. Unless you really want a Linux distribution. |
| 01:51.54 | Dewi | Gokee2: you should be fine on 1200, particularly if you have so little physical RAM |
| 01:51.54 | stoned | then make a 1gb swap partition |
| 01:52.02 | kiki_ | i have heard of BSD wich was very powerfull and stable, more than linux |
| 01:52.04 | Dewi | Gokee2: by the time you run out your system will be running very slow anyway :P |
| 01:52.10 | kiki_ | i think i will try BSD |
| 01:52.17 | phogg | kiki_: in any case, I do not recommend gentoo for the casual user or thew new user. |
| 01:52.38 | kiki_ | gentoo ? |
| 01:52.42 | stoned | kiki_, first, you need to get a piece of paper and a pen. Make a list of your needs. What do you need a computer for. what do you need it to do. What features are you looking for in an operating system. first identify these things. |
| 01:52.47 | Gokee2 | Dewi, ok... I am hoping to get another stick of ram soon |
| 01:52.47 | kiki_ | BSD is better isn't it ? |
| 01:52.54 | Dewi | kiki_: BSD is less automatic, less wide-ranging, but in some ways higher quality because it's simpler |
| 01:53.02 | phogg | kiki_: for some people, maybe |
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| 01:53.39 | Dewi | purely because simple things tend to work better |
| 01:53.57 | stoned | kiki_, then you must judge which OS will be easy to use, check their websites, do some research. Better and worse are relative terms and they are not considered universal absolutes |
| 01:54.20 | kiki_ | ok thx #debian |
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| 01:57.27 | Phroziac | where are the apt howtos located? |
| 01:57.54 | sid | !tell Phroziac about apt |
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| 01:58.32 | Phroziac | i have cable, so i want to upgrade to testing (it won't take a millenia to download) |
| 01:58.39 | Phroziac | anyway, thanks. |
| 01:58.56 | Phroziac | i meant i have cable now, and not yesterday. |
| 01:59.10 | stoned | `there is some bad joojoo in testing these days |
| 01:59.33 | Phroziac | oh? last time i had broadband i used it, and it worked pretty good. |
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| 01:59.52 | Phroziac | anyway, i'd still much rather set apt up to get stuff from the internet than screw around with CDs. |
| 01:59.55 | stoned | oh by all means upgrade if you want to, but beware :) |
| 02:00.07 | zephyrus | is their anything i can use to check for hardware firewalls? |
| 02:00.13 | smax | hi gang |
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| 02:00.19 | Phroziac | if #debian says there's some "bad joojoo", i'm scared. |
| 02:00.41 | stoned | Phroziac, why not sarge/stable? |
| 02:00.42 | stoned | use that |
| 02:00.55 | smax | how can i view the current partitions. with device file names such as hda2, as well as how much space they occupy on the drive |
| 02:01.03 | sid | smax: fdisk -l |
| 02:01.14 | sid | smax: df -h |
| 02:01.15 | stoned | Phroziac, oh, and I am not #debian |
| 02:01.19 | Phroziac | stoned: i'm already on that. but until i came here i was thinking about upgrading to testing. The only thing i don't like about sarge is that stable releases are pretty outdated by the time they're released. |
| 02:01.19 | smax | df yess |
| 02:01.22 | smax | thanx sid |
| 02:01.32 | Phroziac | stoned: well, i don't see anyone arguing with you about it. ;) |
| 02:01.37 | stoned | Phroziac, but they are stable and almost rock solid |
| 02:01.37 | smax | fdisk -l show absolutly no results |
| 02:01.49 | stoned | Phroziac, do you know about backports? |
| 02:01.51 | SquareGuy | cat /proc/partitions |
| 02:01.51 | gavagai | i installed testing the other day and after doing an update & upgrade it totally puked out and wouldn't reboot... just would hang when trying to mount root filesystem... so maybe some bad joojoo indeed |
| 02:01.55 | sid | smax: type it as root |
| 02:02.10 | Phroziac | stoned: Yeah, that's what i like about stable. Backports? |
| 02:02.15 | smax | i think i am |
| 02:02.25 | stoned | !tell Phroziac about backports |
| 02:02.31 | bwlang | smax: you must specify the disk name... fdisk -l /dev/hda ... but i think you want df not fdisk -l |
| 02:02.50 | smax | yes df thank yous |
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| 02:03.10 | smax | i couldnt find it in my linux book, but i knew i used it before |
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| 02:03.47 | Phroziac | I ran gentoo a few years ago....the one big thing i liked about that was everything was up to date. Of course, that opens up some possible problems putting it into a distribution. ;) |
| 02:04.06 | zephyrus | is their anything i can use to check for hardware firewalls? |
| 02:04.21 | bwlang | when i issue this command "sudo mount /mnt/backup" i get : mount: /dev/hda2 already mounted or /mnt/backup busy |
| 02:04.35 | stoned | zephyrus, umm.. eyes? |
| 02:04.36 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:04.43 | Phroziac | Backports sound sweet. |
| 02:04.44 | bwlang | but it's not already mounted... and /dev/hda2 exists... any ideas? |
| 02:04.58 | zephyrus | eyes? |
| 02:04.59 | stoned | Phroziac, beware, never do apt-get dist-upgrade with backports |
| 02:05.25 | Dewi | Phroziac: the main catch with backports is that there's no good way to get automatic security fixes (that I am aware of) |
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| 02:05.42 | Dewi | Phroziac: that said, if you know what's going on you can usually find security patched backports and put them on yourself when necessary |
| 02:05.44 | Phroziac | Dewi: i don't get those anyway. i was using CDs. |
| 02:06.28 | Dewi | Phroziac: if you're using software that's not ancient (or even some that is) you should use security updates |
| 02:06.37 | Dewi | Phroziac: unless your machine is not networked |
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| 02:07.32 | Phroziac | My machine is on a private home network, and on the internet via NAT. the computer is physically in my house with no geeks around. i can leave it logged in and put it on a tty that shows a logged in prompt and it won't get touched. |
| 02:08.32 | Phroziac | And yeah, i know i should still be using security updates. |
| 02:08.39 | Phroziac | i'm just lazy :) |
| 02:08.45 | Dewi | :) |
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| 02:09.16 | Dewi | if you're using sarge, apt makes it almost totally automatic |
| 02:09.21 | Dewi | that's all I'm trying to say |
| 02:09.40 | Dewi | but once you add backports you start to break that slightly |
| 02:10.18 | Phroziac | i specifically disabled the security updates. it's one of those bad ideas influenced by slow connections. |
| 02:10.26 | smax | any one know of any nice grub tutorials |
| 02:11.43 | bwlang | smax: you don't need a tutorial /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst shows you what you need. |
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| 02:12.07 | smax | oh ok |
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| 02:13.39 | stoned | bwlang, but... reading technical documentaion and configuration files, though commented out, is still a task/skill |
| 02:14.15 | bwlang | stoned: if you know a tutorial tell him... i don't |
| 02:14.35 | stoned | my statement had no relation to his problem |
| 02:15.47 | stoned | just a general statement you know |
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| 02:25.21 | Dewi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.54 | Dewi | (just a general statement) |
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| 02:31.48 | stoned | Dewi, my statement was not in relation to the problem, but in relation to the thing he said about chcking the config |
| 02:31.51 | stoned | don't start with me again |
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| 02:47.45 | LunarCrisis | is there any cd-ripping software available that will properly handle foreign characters in the track/album names? |
| 02:47.57 | abrotman | stoned: he's old .. that's the way some people sing(well .. guesss he's dead now |
| 02:48.15 | LunarCrisis | grip displays them in the track list, but strips them for filenames and meta-info tags |
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| 02:49.53 | abrotman | sound juicer? |
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| 02:50.57 | redblades | Hi, I just downloaded a binary from the debian site, and it came up with syntax errors |
| 02:51.15 | EdLin | redblades: why aren't you using apt-get? |
| 02:51.17 | Dewi | redblades: what binary? |
| 02:51.28 | aredhel | LunarCrisis, have you tryed checking "Allow high bits in filenames" in grips config tab? |
| 02:51.47 | Dewi | redblades: the only binary you should download from debian is a CD or floppy image for installing |
| 02:51.53 | abrotman | or a .deb |
| 02:52.05 | Dewi | abrotman: they are on apt |
| 02:52.05 | redblades | Dewi, a nvidia-glx |
| 02:52.07 | LunarCrisis | aredhel, ahh, hadn't seen that option, thanks! |
| 02:52.17 | redblades | It is a .deb |
| 02:52.20 | abrotman | Dewi: nvidia-glx is not in etch at the moment |
| 02:52.29 | Dewi | abrotman: oh. |
| 02:52.31 | redblades | He's right |
| 02:52.33 | redblades | : ) |
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| 02:52.50 | abrotman | redblades: i know i'm right .. we covered this .. i'm smarter than you :) |
| 02:53.01 | LunarCrisis | abrotman, still happens =( |
| 02:53.04 | redblades | No, no, no |
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| 02:53.18 | redblades | I'm kinda annoyed |
| 02:53.23 | abrotman | LunarCrisis: make sure your apps understand UTF |
| 02:53.28 | redblades | I needed that package |
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| 02:53.42 | LunarCrisis | abrotman, well, grip displays the characters fine in it's track list |
| 02:53.57 | abrotman | so what doesn't display them correctly ? |
| 02:54.09 | LunarCrisis | the filenames, and the meta-info in the oggs |
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| 02:54.30 | stoned | abrotman, well, I consider many other important aspects of music than just the feel/emotion/soul |
| 02:54.53 | stoned | while that is a vital part of it, it is not the only thing to be considered |
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| 02:54.58 | stoned | at least on my part |
| 02:55.01 | abrotman | stoned: i was just referring to his voice .. oddly .. i grew up in a town called danville ... but that song was referring to Danville, VA .. not Danville, PA |
| 02:55.24 | abrotman | stoned: i had to check with my friend(whose items i linked you to) to see if it was VA or PA |
| 02:55.47 | Dewi | LunarCrisis: if your system locale isn't unicode compliant then your filesystem can't use unicode in filenames |
| 02:56.11 | Dewi | LunarCrisis: but I wouldn't expect programs with the ogg tags. hmm. |
| 02:56.16 | LunarCrisis | nevermind, it works now, I was looking in the wrong place =) |
| 02:56.16 | abrotman | LunarCrisis: echo $LANG |
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| 02:57.11 | stoned | technical prowess, command of the instrument, musical sensebility, etc. to me are also as important as the emotional aspect. Remeber, I grew up with Raaga music. Raag itself means colored in emotion. |
| 02:57.28 | gavagai | what is raaga? |
| 02:57.36 | abrotman | stoned: aye .. but technical prowess then was defined far differently than now |
| 02:57.39 | abrotman | !dict raaga |
| 02:57.41 | dpkg | could not find definition for raaga |
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| 02:58.04 | gavagai | reggae? |
| 02:58.07 | LunarCrisis | actually, now they seem to be appearing as the wrong special characters =( |
| 02:58.17 | LunarCrisis | $LANG is en_CA |
| 02:58.22 | abrotman | that's it? |
| 02:58.29 | abrotman | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 02:58.32 | abrotman | that's mine |
| 02:58.40 | EdLin | gavagai: stoned is Pakistani, not Jamacian |
| 02:58.46 | gavagai | lol |
| 02:58.49 | stoned | abrotman, not true. like i said yesterday, inte technique dept. I consider only two, maybe 3 genres of music people excell. First being classical music, the western harmonized kind, seconly, technical metal (only certain instruments) |
| 02:58.50 | gavagai | thanks |
| 02:58.57 | LunarCrisis | hmm, how do I enable UTF-8? |
| 02:58.58 | stoned | like guitars, drums, voicebox |
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| 02:59.01 | abrotman | stoned: in 1924 .. there was no speed metal :) |
| 02:59.10 | gavagai | ok i'm going to download some raaga then. :) |
| 02:59.30 | stoned | abrotman, you think I don't know that! |
| 02:59.39 | stoned | I'm pakistani, not retarded ;) |
| 02:59.43 | abrotman | stoned: now .... speed banjo! |
| 02:59.50 | rxed | Is there a util that can measure/show power consumption of a CPU? |
| 02:59.52 | stoned | yes! |
| 03:00.21 | Dewi | rxed: top |
| 03:00.28 | Dewi | oh sorry |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | rxed: eh .. afaik .. that's usually a device you hook to your machine .. but intel/amd publish specs about watts comsumed |
| 03:00.34 | Dewi | I thought you meant cpu consumption |
| 03:00.48 | abrotman | slacker |
| 03:01.13 | stoned | abrotman, you've no doubt related technical metal to speed |
| 03:01.18 | stoned | entirely different |
| 03:01.20 | rxed | abrotman: it turns out those specs are very general. |
| 03:01.30 | rxed | abrotman: and not necessarily correct. |
| 03:01.49 | abrotman | stoned: eh .. i said speed metal .. i don't relate speed to metal |
| 03:01.57 | stoned | technical metal involves not only the physical aspect of playing the instrument. |
| 03:02.01 | abrotman | rxed: they usually give a deviance |
| 03:02.14 | stoned | no I meant you related speed with technique, as much as I gather anyway |
| 03:02.33 | rxed | abrotman: they measure it differently, and each CPU's power consumption may wary. |
| 03:02.46 | abrotman | stoned: not really .. speed is a part of your technique .. but does not soley make up your technique |
| 03:02.53 | stoned | technique like, different musical techniques, ambigious meter signatures, unorthodox theory, etc. |
| 03:02.55 | abrotman | rxed: vary even ? |
| 03:03.00 | stoned | abrotman, exactly |
| 03:03.06 | rxed | abrotman: yes. thank you. :) |
| 03:03.11 | stoned | abrotman, I thought you said otherwise, my bad |
| 03:03.22 | abrotman | eee .. more gnome updates .. |
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| 03:03.44 | abrotman | stoned: i have no technique! :) |
| 03:03.46 | Dewi | millions of updates still on etch |
| 03:03.51 | Dewi | I had hoped it had slowed down by now |
| 03:03.52 | stoned | abrotman, I know that |
| 03:03.56 | abrotman | stoned: hehe |
| 03:04.11 | abrotman | Dewi: give it a few more months .. remember .. the first part doesn't freeze for a bit |
| 03:04.12 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 03:04.13 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00015.html |
| 03:04.14 | stoned | you diss shred man! BLASPHEMY! |
| 03:04.30 | stoned | micheal angelo batio was right ;) |
| 03:05.41 | rxed | I have aterm transparency setup but it doesn't seem to be a 'real' transparency. e.g. If I have aterm on top of the browser and I surf the net the bck image in a term isn't accurate. Is this normal? |
| 03:05.54 | abrotman | stoned: i don't enjoy it .. i'm not saying they aren't good .. much in the same way i think dave matthews is damn good .. but don't like his music |
| 03:05.59 | Dewi | rxed: yes |
| 03:06.06 | Dewi | rxed: transparency in x-windows sucks |
| 03:06.13 | abrotman | rxed: eterm doesn't have real transparency |
| 03:06.14 | stoned | hah, now you make it clear |
| 03:06.18 | EdLin | rxed: real transparancy is in development at present |
| 03:06.25 | rxed | EdLin: oh, ic. |
| 03:06.30 | stoned | earlier I got an impression that you said shred doesn't have soul |
| 03:06.35 | stoned | I think you did say it |
| 03:06.53 | abrotman | stoned: i don't like the "soul" it has .. i don't feel that soul .. i don't particularly |
| 03:06.55 | abrotman | care fo ti |
| 03:06.58 | abrotman | for it |
| 03:07.04 | stoned | I can argue that, listen to Yngwie Malmsteens Concerto for Electric Guitar in Eb Minor OP 1 |
| 03:07.17 | stoned | insane shred work |
| 03:07.26 | abrotman | stoned: still doesn't mean i'll like it .. no matter how much "soul" it has |
| 03:07.41 | stoned | I'm not trying to get you to like it, I'm just saying it has soul |
| 03:07.49 | rxed | EdLin: do they have a page for the transparency project? |
| 03:07.55 | stoned | we both feel it in different music |
| 03:07.57 | abrotman | stoned: but it's not something i enjoy .. or rather .. haven't in over 10 years |
| 03:08.05 | stoned | but the point of the matter is, at least we both feel |
| 03:08.07 | EdLin | rxed: it's being developed as part of Xorg I believe |
| 03:08.08 | stoned | :) |
| 03:08.29 | stoned | abrotman, like I said, I dig anything and everything. Music is universal mate. |
| 03:08.29 | abrotman | !xgl |
| 03:08.30 | dpkg | i heard xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | !compiz |
| 03:08.31 | dpkg | it has been said that compiz is probably a combined window manager / composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. Currently, it is only working correctly if run on Xgl. |
| 03:08.43 | abrotman | stoned: neil young! |
| 03:08.53 | stoned | abrotman, I clipped my neil too far back and now it hurts to type |
| 03:09.03 | stoned | hah |
| 03:09.04 | stoned | nail* |
| 03:09.15 | EdLin | !abrotman++ |
| 03:09.17 | stoned | abrotman, bad timing man, you confused me there for a sec |
| 03:09.32 | EdLin | abrotman: ever heard "Like a Hurricaine"? |
| 03:09.39 | stoned | EdLin, who hasn't? |
| 03:09.51 | abrotman | EdLin: neil young is a demi-god of guitar :) |
| 03:09.57 | stoned | no he's not |
| 03:10.00 | stoned | hes alright |
| 03:10.00 | blaheva | neil young rocks |
| 03:10.02 | abrotman | aye .. he is |
| 03:10.10 | abrotman | stoned: you don't even know who he is :) |
| 03:10.12 | redblades | Hey, anyone here use DynDNS? |
| 03:10.12 | rxed | EdLin: hrmm.... according to xorg 'real transparency' is already supported by 'composite'. |
| 03:10.15 | stoned | Andre Segovia is a guitar god |
| 03:10.20 | stoned | full on guitar god |
| 03:10.25 | abrotman | stoned: i said demi-god |
| 03:10.27 | EdLin | rxed: does it say its stable now? |
| 03:10.30 | Dewi | I need more neil young. only got Harvest |
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| 03:10.38 | liable | redblades: whats the problem |
| 03:10.40 | stoned | abrotman, but neil young is good |
| 03:10.43 | redblades | I'm having trouble with getting updating vclients to work |
| 03:10.53 | rxed | EdLin: I'm going to try it. BRB> |
| 03:10.56 | EdLin | Peter Green and Rory Gallagher are two under-rated demi-gods. |
| 03:10.58 | abrotman | Dewi: he was streaming his newest album from his site ..but it's politically oriented |
| 03:11.00 | stoned | I wouldn't call him a even quarter god, but you can |
| 03:11.01 | liable | redblades: you using ddclient? |
| 03:11.14 | redblades | Yep |
| 03:11.22 | Dewi | redblades: what do logs say? |
| 03:11.31 | abrotman | stoned: because you don't enjoy the same types of music i do .. or rather .. not to the same degree i do |
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| 03:11.53 | stoned | abrotman, I enjoy everything you enjoy, sadly, you dont enjoy everything I enjoy, you're missing out on a lot of world music mate |
| 03:12.12 | stoned | music wise that is |
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| 03:12.18 | abrotman | stoned: i've listened to much .. but it doesn't mean i have to like it :) |
| 03:12.21 | Sivik | i need a java plugin for ff, what is it called? |
| 03:12.28 | abrotman | !java |
| 03:12.28 | dpkg | from memory, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 03:12.31 | stoned | course you don't |
| 03:12.37 | unix_infidel | anyone here tried allofmp3.com yet? |
| 03:12.46 | abrotman | unix_infidel: wrong channel |
| 03:12.49 | liable | redblades: are you using use=web? |
| 03:12.53 | stoned | unix_infidel, I thought about it, then I got limewire |
| 03:12.55 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:13.15 | Sivik | i need a hyperterminal for linux |
| 03:13.17 | unix_infidel | you dont get the same kinda selection. |
| 03:13.24 | abrotman | Sivik: minicom ? |
| 03:13.29 | stoned | I get my stuff from irc |
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| 03:13.40 | tonsofpcs | Sivik: hyperterminal is a windows app that emulates a terminal |
| 03:13.40 | stoned | 0day etc. full albums, with lyrics, images, cdcovers |
| 03:13.48 | stoned | nicely packaged, and always available, and reliable |
| 03:13.49 | Sivik | abrotman: thanks |
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| 03:14.08 | Sivik | tonsofpcs, i understand what it does, i needed a program in linux, that allows for connection to routers |
| 03:14.13 | abrotman | Sivik: or kermit |
| 03:14.22 | Sivik | thanks |
| 03:14.25 | unix_infidel | stoned: PM real quick? |
| 03:14.32 | EdLin | Sivik: telnet |
| 03:14.47 | stoned | I'd pay someone to perform live, but I'm not going to pay for cds, anyway, no more of this talk |
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| 03:15.02 | stoned | unix_infidel, sorry no, I know you will ask me what irc network and all that, you can find them on your own |
| 03:15.03 | Sivik | ok, but how do you set the parameters in telnet like you do with hyperterminal |
| 03:15.24 | redblades | liable, I don't know |
| 03:15.25 | tonsofpcs | Sivik: via null-modem or over a network? |
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| 03:15.35 | rxed | Is there a way to tab and get all commands and then 'grep' for specific text? <tab> Display all 1911 possbilities? <yes> | grep wheel |
| 03:15.38 | Sivik | out of serial port |
| 03:15.42 | tonsofpcs | Sivik: minicom |
| 03:15.49 | liable | redblades: in the config. |
| 03:15.50 | Sivik | tonsofpcs: thanks |
| 03:15.56 | abrotman | stoned: did you get Decade? |
| 03:16.03 | redblades | liable, sorry, I was gettting breakfast |
| 03:16.04 | tonsofpcs | as abrotman suggested earlier ;) |
| 03:16.04 | Sivik | how do i edit linux time via eterm |
| 03:16.12 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 03:16.12 | dpkg | somebody said ntp was the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 03:16.29 | stoned | abrotman, nope, but I did download Bleeding Profusely by Gorgasm |
| 03:16.33 | stoned | :) |
| 03:16.34 | tonsofpcs | ok, so anyone know if the Dazzle DPM (Digital Photo Maker, same drivers as the old DVM) works with VFL or any other way to pipe it into VLC? |
| 03:16.41 | tonsofpcs | and I'm assuming there's some way to capture audio from a SB16 in tandem with a VFL device? |
| 03:16.46 | abrotman | stoned: eh .. i don't think neil young is in that band :) |
| 03:16.47 | rxed | How do I get a list of all linux commands (without the 'less' like screen-by-screen viewing? |
| 03:17.17 | tonsofpcs | rxed: help? man? |
| 03:17.21 | stoned | abrotman, no, but I called my dad and asked him the crap he used to play when I was young, and yes, it was neil young, I told you i knew him and his music, I just couldn't remember |
| 03:17.30 | rxed | tonsofpcs: a list of all commands. |
| 03:17.32 | stoned | good stuff |
| 03:17.39 | tonsofpcs | rxed: your shell commands will be output by help |
| 03:17.41 | stoned | definitely, but still not worthy of being called a semi deity |
| 03:17.50 | stoned | in my book at least |
| 03:18.01 | stoned | tom petty I might call a god, but thats an iffy |
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| 03:18.05 | abrotman | stoned: but you don't really remember :) |
| 03:18.13 | abrotman | stoned: you'd need to hear it anew |
| 03:18.13 | kelan | is there a way to page through the results that dpkg gives to 'listvals'? if there are more than 15, i'd like to be able to see the others |
| 03:18.16 | rxed | tonsofpcs: a list of all commands as in <tab> |
| 03:18.21 | stoned | maybe you're right |
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| 03:18.49 | tonsofpcs | rxed: ls /usr/bin; ls /usr/sbin; ls /sbin; ls/bin; ls [other binary directories ...] |
| 03:18.51 | abrotman | stoned: can't hurt anyways :) |
| 03:18.57 | stoned | abrotman, if you like good guitarwork, you should check out Andre Segovia |
| 03:19.03 | rxed | tonsofpcs: no, that's not it. |
| 03:19.07 | abrotman | is it speed metal? :) |
| 03:19.12 | stoned | no |
| 03:19.24 | tonsofpcs | rxed: what do you mean that's not it? |
| 03:19.26 | liable | rxed: when you should explain what you actually want then |
| 03:19.27 | stoned | he is only the god of all that is harmonized music on the guitar |
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| 03:19.42 | stoned | look him up |
| 03:19.43 | rxed | liable: Is there a way to tab and get all commands and then 'grep' for specific text? <tab> Display all 1911 possbilities? <yes> | grep wheel |
| 03:19.46 | stoned | check wiki |
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| 03:20.48 | di | hi |
| 03:20.53 | stoned | di |
| 03:21.09 | di | should i burn a linux iso in tao or dao mode? |
| 03:21.26 | abrotman | burn it as an ISO |
| 03:21.29 | liable | rxed: dont think so, ls the /bin dirs will give you them all though, you can only tab complete once you have the first letter |
| 03:21.51 | tonsofpcs | rxed: do what I said above and pipe them to a file, then grep the file when you want to find stuff |
| 03:21.58 | stoned | don't burn it as an iso man |
| 03:22.11 | stoned | create/burn disk _from_ iso image |
| 03:22.18 | rxed | tonsofpcs: not all commands are in the sbin and bin dir's. |
| 03:22.26 | stoned | if yo uburn it as an iso, your cd will contain an .iso file and it will not be bootable |
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| 03:23.16 | liable | rxed: /usr/bin and /usr/sbin, also possibly /usr/local if you have compiled shit |
| 03:23.27 | tonsofpcs | rxed: /usr/share, /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/sbin |
| 03:23.35 | tonsofpcs | them too ^ |
| 03:23.59 | tonsofpcs | err, not share on deb |
| 03:24.07 | rxed | is there a way to 'find' or 'locate' binaries? wouldn't that be easier then ls? |
| 03:24.14 | abrotman | stoned: eh .. no .. burn it as an ISO .. most win32 programs i've seen have a "Burn ISO" menu item somewhere |
| 03:24.32 | stoned | abrotman, yeh yeh semantics, just words |
| 03:24.36 | tonsofpcs | rxed: find |
| 03:24.38 | tonsofpcs | or locate |
| 03:24.46 | tonsofpcs | ;) |
| 03:24.59 | abrotman | rxed: which <program> |
| 03:25.00 | stoned | say it anyway, but we're both saying the same thing. basically make disk from iso image. whatever the option is called, you're doing this. |
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| 03:25.42 | rxed | let me rephrase the question: is there a way to find or locate a file type, as in 'locate -binary *' |
| 03:25.58 | stoned | rxed, sudo updatedb && locate blah |
| 03:26.05 | abrotman | a file type? |
| 03:26.07 | stoned | rxed, dpkg -L packagename|grep bin |
| 03:26.24 | rxed | stoned: that would find 'blah' text file and 'blah' a binary file. I want only binaries. |
| 03:26.42 | tonsofpcs | rxed: you can specify directories with find |
| 03:26.45 | tonsofpcs | read the man pages |
| 03:27.18 | stoned | rxed, you can locate blah|grep bin |
| 03:27.21 | rxed | tonsofpcs: but I want to search by type (e.g. binary, text etc. files) not by directory. |
| 03:27.37 | stoned | unless its a binary not found in any of the system paths containing *bin* in the path |
| 03:27.56 | rxed | stoned: do all binaries have bin extension? |
| 03:28.03 | stoned | don't have an extention |
| 03:28.07 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 03:28.18 | rxed | yes? |
| 03:28.26 | stoned | I said *bin* in path |
| 03:28.32 | stoned | did I say *.bin? |
| 03:29.51 | rxed | stoned: ok, but that wouldn't find binaries that are in wierd locations. |
| 03:30.46 | stoned | yes, and I said that also |
| 03:30.48 | stoned | :) |
| 03:30.57 | kamoricks | Why not find . | xargs file | grep (application) | less? |
| 03:30.59 | redblades | liable, okay, I found the refernce to use=web |
| 03:31.11 | kamoricks | It'll take forever, but it'll work perfectly. |
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| 03:31.35 | redblades | liable, it mentioned an ipcheck.dyndns something |
| 03:31.45 | rxed | redblades: but I don't know name of the (application). |
| 03:31.48 | stoned | are you looking for binary files or executables? |
| 03:32.05 | redblades | I also noticed that it was in /etc/ddclient rather than /etc |
| 03:32.09 | EdLin | rxed: he's grepping messages from "file" that include application |
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| 03:32.19 | redblades | rxed? what? |
| 03:32.36 | rxed | redblades: can you explain the third part of that command? |
| 03:32.43 | stoned | rxed, it was kamoricks |
| 03:33.16 | rxed | kamoricks: what's supposed to go in (application) part? |
| 03:33.20 | rxed | stoned: thanks. |
| 03:33.52 | redblades | Oh, was I not who you were trying to talk to |
| 03:34.01 | rxed | redblades: yes. sorry. |
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| 03:34.11 | redblades | Ah |
| 03:34.16 | redblades | Anyhow... |
| 03:34.22 | redblades | What do I do now? |
| 03:34.46 | redblades | I'm confused, because I followed all the directions of the site, and it seems to have not worked |
| 03:35.09 | redblades | http://linux.cudeso.be/linuxdoc/ddclient.php |
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| 03:41.25 | MariusX | hello ppl. I was having a problem with booting to linux or windows from grub. I have managed to fix the issue of linux not finding its root partiion but I am still not loading into windows. I get the error <Windows root>\system32\hal.dll |
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| 03:41.48 | MariusX | can anyone help me out with this problem? |
| 03:42.04 | setient | i have a question if anyone here has installed debian/mac68k i am having issues with booting into the debian installer |
| 03:43.17 | setient | vfs cannot find root panic even though i am using an init.rd image in pengiun |
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| 03:43.50 | liable | MariusX: hrm, prolly better of asking in #windows about that one, or google. |
| 03:44.20 | MariusX | but isn't this a grub issue? |
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| 03:44.57 | liable | well, if you get that far, i would say its a windows issue |
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| 03:45.18 | MariusX | ok cool. I will ask in #windows |
| 03:45.27 | liable | maybe fixntloader or whatever it is might help |
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| 03:46.43 | rxed | Anyone running unstable? |
| 03:46.49 | dendrite | MariusX: I seem to remember that windows can be confused if the process of setting up dual boot changed the partition geometry. In other words, you may need to use the grub swap command to rearrange the drives... |
| 03:47.04 | dendrite | rxed: Writing a book? |
| 03:47.07 | EdLin | !anyone running unstable? |
| 03:47.08 | rxed | dendrite: can you check if xcompmgr is in your apt-cache? |
| 03:47.34 | dendrite | apt-cache search xcompmgr returns nada in sid. |
| 03:47.39 | liable | !find xcompmgr |
| 03:47.39 | EdLin | !test |
| 03:47.40 | dpkg | Sorry, edlin, I didn't get your test. |
| 03:47.45 | EdLin | :-) |
| 03:47.47 | rxed | dendrite: ok. thanks. |
| 03:48.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xcompmgr' returned no results. |
| 03:48.11 | rxed | liable: cool. :) |
| 03:48.36 | dendrite | rxed: What is xcompmgr? |
| 03:48.52 | liable | redblades: is it updating your account at all? |
| 03:49.06 | rxed | dendrite: it's part of xorg that's still under heavy development. |
| 03:49.17 | setient | so no one here has used debian/mac68k? |
| 03:49.21 | dendrite | Ah. |
| 03:49.32 | liable | rxed: i think its in the experimental repos, check p.d.o |
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| 03:49.55 | rxed | liable: yep. it is. |
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| 03:50.19 | killown | how load .bitchxrc ? my BitchX no load it |
| 03:50.45 | sirius | What do i install so i can view/edit/copy from my NTFS Disk ?? |
| 03:51.19 | dendrite | killown: try "strace -eopen bitchx" and see where it's looking for rc files. |
| 03:51.31 | linux_user400354 | how can i edit to ~/.vnc/xstartup file, so that the vnc server uses xfce? http://pastebin.ca/640 |
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| 03:55.30 | sirius | What do i install so i can view/edit/copy from my NTFS Disk ?? |
| 03:55.33 | tonsofpcs | ok, so anyone know if the Dazzle DPM (Digital Photo Maker, same drivers as the old DVM) works with VFL or any other way to pipe it into VLC? |
| 03:55.43 | tonsofpcs | and I'm assuming there's some way to capture audio from a SB16 in tandem with a VFL device? |
| 03:55.56 | MariusX | swap command. how do I do that? |
| 03:56.44 | dendrite | MariusX: I'm sure it's documented. |
| 03:56.56 | MariusX | ok. I will look at that |
| 03:57.22 | dendrite | MariusX: And for stuff like that, you really need to read the docs and understand what you're doing. If you just do what some random on irc tells you, you may make a big mess... |
| 03:57.40 | MariusX | ok. thanks |
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| 03:58.08 | r3m | Hi how to add a subdirectory of my home to my PATH please i use bash |
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| 03:59.09 | EnterUserName | where do i go for help for opendebianslug |
| 03:59.12 | EnterUserName | anyone |
| 03:59.19 | stoned | opendebianslug? |
| 03:59.23 | EnterUserName | lolyup |
| 03:59.35 | dendrite | EnterUserName: Wuzzat? |
| 03:59.35 | stoned | you mean open debian's lug? |
| 03:59.41 | EnterUserName | n0 |
| 03:59.42 | stoned | like a linux user group for debian? |
| 03:59.46 | EnterUserName | no |
| 03:59.49 | EnterUserName | its A lINKsYS DEVICE |
| 03:59.52 | stoned | ok I haven o idea |
| 03:59.53 | stoned | use google |
| 03:59.58 | EnterUserName | hrm.. ok |
| 04:00.17 | EdLin | !sing sunday |
| 04:00.18 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 04:00.22 | stoned | since you already asked, if/when someone familiar with it comes around they'll answer |
| 04:00.33 | stoned | until then, use google |
| 04:00.50 | EnterUserName | darn dev ice keeps blinking |
| 04:00.51 | EnterUserName | lol |
| 04:00.53 | EnterUserName | openslug works,. |
| 04:00.54 | EnterUserName | bah |
| 04:01.14 | rxed | EnterUserName: who is on first? |
| 04:01.15 | EdLin | !tell EnterUserName about enter |
| 04:01.24 | sirius | how do i get a higher screen res its only have 60hz right now and its killing my eyes |
| 04:01.53 | stoned | sirius, make sure to use the proper monitor properties, horiz/vert freq. etc. |
| 04:02.13 | sirius | how do i get the proper monitor properties ? |
| 04:02.17 | stoned | sirius, if your monitor support it, it can be used. look up your monitor specs online |
| 04:02.24 | sirius | it does support it |
| 04:02.31 | stoned | get the model number from the back |
| 04:02.37 | stoned | look it up on google or on the manufacturer website |
| 04:02.40 | sirius | i use 85 on windows |
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| 04:07.21 | sirius | that model number wont bring up my monitor lmao |
| 04:07.50 | EdLin | sirius: do you still have your monitor manual? |
| 04:08.14 | sirius | Edlin : its a generic monitor i dont think it came with one let me check tho |
| 04:08.28 | EdLin | sirius: there's no such thing as a generic monitor |
| 04:08.41 | sirius | its not labeled |
| 04:08.51 | sirius | found the man |
| 04:08.59 | sirius | maybe its called multi-scan |
| 04:09.07 | redblades | Umm... Hi again |
| 04:09.22 | dendrite | sirius: Multi-scan just means it can do multiple modes. |
| 04:09.29 | EdLin | sirius: even multiscan monitors need you to tell X what the horizontal and vertical frequencies are. |
| 04:09.32 | redblades | I went throught the steps on the DDClient site, but I seem to be having issues still |
| 04:09.44 | dendrite | sirius: The main risk is that some monitors can actually be set on fire by trying to drive them too hard. |
| 04:09.53 | redblades | I got up to the last step |
| 04:10.14 | sirius | dendrite: when in windows i alway ran 85 it even gave me higher options then that |
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| 04:10.35 | dendrite | sirius: The modes will be a tradeoff of pixel rez and vertical frequency. |
| 04:11.13 | dendrite | sirius: So, if you drive the monitor at very high rez, then you will need to slow down the vfreq. |
| 04:11.25 | sirius | Man says Horiz: 30khz to 98khz and Vert: 50 to 160 |
| 04:11.35 | EdLin | !drxx sirius |
| 04:11.35 | dpkg | sirius: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:11.57 | EdLin | sirius: do that, then pick "advanced" for entering settings, then tpye in what you just told us |
| 04:11.58 | sirius | Edlin that never asked me about my mon rez |
| 04:12.15 | EdLin | sirius: that's because you picked the wrong option |
| 04:12.30 | sid | Is there a program I can use in Debian GNU / Linux main section to record my screen activity and make a video. Like if I was making a guide on how to make openoffice.org presentations or something like that. |
| 04:13.01 | sid | xvidcap or gvidcap are not in debian for legal reasons.(it uses ffmpeg) And marillat does not carry xvidcap or gvidcap. And I do not wish to compile from source. |
| 04:13.09 | sid | Does anyone know of any alternative projects? |
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| 04:14.06 | sirius | Edlin went through never gave me option for advanced |
| 04:14.37 | sirius | can i do this manual with xorg.conf |
| 04:14.40 | EdLin | you're running regular Debian, aren't you? |
| 04:14.46 | sirius | testing |
| 04:15.59 | redblades | It says: server=members.dyndns.org, protocol=dyndns2, mydomain.dyndns.org |
| 04:15.59 | redblades | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.12 | redblades | Do I make that my site? |
| 04:16.16 | sirius | brb |
| 04:16.16 | EdLin | sirius: you really shouldn't do it manually, but yes you can. The file however is not easy. |
| 04:16.37 | redblades | It's hard to tell what they mean |
| 04:16.50 | sirius | i just went down to monitor and changed the hor and vert to what it says in my book |
| 04:16.56 | sirius | brb gona restart x |
| 04:17.43 | redblades | Anyone here use DDclient? |
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| 04:19.02 | sirius | awsome i got 85 now |
| 04:19.09 | sirius | thanks for help :D |
| 04:19.22 | EdLin | sirius: np |
| 04:19.28 | sirius | now on to the next prob lmao |
| 04:19.46 | redblades | Okay, can someone tell me how to fix this issue? |
| 04:19.47 | redblades | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 04:19.47 | redblades | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 04:20.01 | redblades | It appears when I open programs from the command line |
| 04:20.17 | redblades | and now, some programs don't even load@ |
| 04:20.39 | redblades | Is there a way to "down-grade" back to sarge? |
| 04:20.45 | sirius | when i reboot my sound card gets changed to my onboard card and i cant access my pci card, so i have to do a alsaconf to get it detected and then i can use it, but i hate having to do that everytime i reboot any solution ? |
| 04:20.58 | EdLin | redblades: downgrading doesn't work well if at all |
| 04:21.05 | redblades | Oh |
| 04:21.19 | redblades | Well, I'll have to try and fix this version then |
| 04:21.32 | redblades | I seem to have an endless amount of problems |
| 04:21.39 | EnterUserName | hrm |
| 04:21.40 | sirius | me to redblades |
| 04:21.42 | sirius | me to :( |
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| 04:22.00 | redblades | the majority are to do with my Nvidia driver |
| 04:22.03 | redblades | sirius |
| 04:22.13 | sirius | well i have ati |
| 04:22.18 | sirius | so like there is a target on my back |
| 04:22.28 | redblades | sirius, It's awesome when stuff works, but hellish when it breaks |
| 04:23.27 | redblades | I was really happy, because I got the drivers working and X working, only to find that nvidia-glx is not available on Etch and the binary from Debian is... Fecked |
| 04:23.40 | redblades | Or at least, I can't get it working |
| 04:23.49 | sirius | i cant get any of my damn games to work im very un happy lol |
| 04:24.36 | redblades | Well, I'm trying to sort this out so I will _one day_ be able to play games |
| 04:24.56 | redblades | Why on earth won't an official .deb work? |
| 04:25.07 | redblades | I got a damn syntax error from using it |
| 04:27.27 | sirius | redblades what game are you planing on playing |
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| 04:27.51 | redblades | any |
| 04:27.54 | redblades | : ) |
| 04:28.07 | setient | bah/win new hide |
| 04:28.16 | redblades | I'd even be happy if progarms like 3ddesk worked |
| 04:28.19 | redblades | !!! |
| 04:28.19 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
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| 04:28.58 | sirius | I need to access my NTFS Drive to view/edit/copy files from, what should i do to be able to do this? |
| 04:29.08 | rxed | I need to find out how my video card is preforming. 3D support, how many fps it can handle etc. What's the best way to do it? |
| 04:30.32 | Alam_Debian | glxgear |
| 04:30.51 | rxed | Alam_Debian: no, there is no fps info in sout. |
| 04:30.52 | EdLin | sirius: Linux only supports reliably read-only access to ntfs drives |
| 04:31.10 | sirius | so i cant copy files over ? |
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| 04:31.29 | EdLin | sirius: copying from NTFS to Linux works, the other direction doesn't |
| 04:31.42 | sirius | Edlin: okay how do i get copy working |
| 04:31.46 | sirius | i cant even access it right now |
| 04:31.49 | EdLin | sirius: one solution is to make a FAT partition for interchanging files |
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| 04:32.16 | sirius | isnt there a linux package ? |
| 04:32.27 | EdLin | sirius: you don't need a special package |
| 04:32.46 | EdLin | sirius: you'll need to mount an NTFS partition read-only. man mount, man fstab |
| 04:33.09 | stoned | <EdLin> sirius: copying from NTFS to Linux works, the other direction doesn't > yes it does |
| 04:33.26 | EdLin | stoned: not reliably |
| 04:33.28 | sirius | i just need to copy from it so its fine |
| 04:33.43 | EdLin | stoned: unless you use CaptiveNTFS, which is a whole 'nother thing. |
| 04:33.50 | stoned | yes reliably, with a bit of work with non gpl freeware |
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| 04:34.15 | user_ | error while bringing up eth0: error while getting ??? flags. |
| 04:34.23 | EdLin | sirius: then all you need is to use mount. "man mount" |
| 04:34.33 | sirius | so does mount -t NTFS /dev/hda1 /storage_drive sound right ? |
| 04:34.34 | stoned | EdLin, but you are right, you can't reliably write to ntfs from linux |
| 04:34.55 | dendrite | user_: Do you have a firewire interface? |
| 04:35.01 | user_ | dendrite, no |
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| 04:35.05 | user_ | crap |
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| 04:35.26 | dendrite | user_: Good. I got bitten once by chaos caused by a non-existent firewire network device... :-) |
| 04:35.35 | EdLin | sirius: close, you still may need to tell it to mount read-only, though the kernel will probably force that automatically |
| 04:35.43 | sirius | k ill try it |
| 04:35.49 | EdLin | sirius: also, don't use caps, its case-sensitive |
| 04:36.24 | stoned | EdLin, I have many FS on my systems that windows cannot access. I create a virtual machine with wmware, add in the physica disk as a partition in the virtual machine, setup the network, and voil, I can read/write between any os |
| 04:36.24 | user_ | dendrite, I tried to use aptitude to go Debian -Testing, but I couldn't seem to get rid of broken packages so I went back to stable and removed all "obsolete packages." |
| 04:36.30 | stoned | its a bit of work, but hell, it beats other crap |
| 04:36.40 | user_ | dendrite, I also get an error about not being able to mount the swap drive, or something |
| 04:36.44 | EdLin | stoned: he's obviously not using vmware |
| 04:37.08 | stoned | EdLin, when did I mention him? |
| 04:37.13 | sirius | Edlin i got it mounted but how do i give my self premission to view it with root ? |
| 04:37.16 | sirius | chmod ? |
| 04:37.29 | dendrite | user_: Downgrading is likely to be a real mess... I guess that's what you're seeing. |
| 04:37.30 | redblades | Uhh... Hi |
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| 04:37.32 | redblades | /etc/ppp/ip-up.local/ |
| 04:37.41 | redblades | I was going to add something to that |
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| 04:37.51 | redblades | but apparently Debian does nto have it |
| 04:37.53 | EdLin | sirius: remount it and include the user and permissions you want to use for the drive |
| 04:38.02 | sirius | k |
| 04:38.06 | dendrite | user_: Consider backing up your home directory, and /etc (for reference), and reinstalling. |
| 04:38.09 | sirius | how do you unmount |
| 04:38.18 | EdLin | sirius: umount (no n :-) ) |
| 04:38.32 | user_ | dendrite, ah damnit. I had to take the hard drive out just to install it in the first place. its a Laptop and the CD drive doesnt work |
| 04:38.38 | stoned | or... ln -s a umount to unmount |
| 04:38.39 | stoned | ;) |
| 04:38.49 | stoned | or, make a bash alias, unmount |
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| 04:39.34 | dendrite | user_: Well, I'm just telling you what I'd probably do, and I'm no newbie. Downgrading is a hairball of incompatible libs and so on and on. |
| 04:39.35 | EdLin | One of the creators of Unix at Bell Labs was asked what feature he would have changed in Unix if he could go back in time, he said "the name of umount" |
| 04:39.52 | siimo | hi fonts in debian unstable's openoffice have started looking very fuzzy anyone know how to fix it? |
| 04:40.02 | jshriver | how can you burn a cd using cdrecord from the cli? my system is completely borked, and trying to burn the first install disc. |
| 04:40.17 | user_ | dendrite, well I put the testing ftp mirrors back in the config file, and I'm using some testing programs, I just didn't upgrade *all* of them like I did the first time |
| 04:40.42 | Supaplex | user_: I've downgraded two machines. One I knew was running sid, the other I didn't realise a coworker had done it. If it weren't for the backups, I would have toasted plenty of configs :) so make a backup hehe. |
| 04:40.47 | redblades | The site says you add: /usr/sbin/ddclient -daemon=0 -syslog -use=if -if=$1 >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 04:40.55 | setient | so no one here has a clue about debian/m68k? |
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| 04:41.03 | user_ | Supaplex, its a fresh machine anyhow |
| 04:41.16 | setient | ugh nevermind finally got it |
| 04:41.37 | jshriver | Can anyone help me burn a cd using cdrecord from the cli? My system is totally shot and need to do a reinstall |
| 04:41.38 | redblades | to siimo, perhaps a driver issue? |
| 04:41.39 | user_ | Supaplex, actually, its was a slackware machine that had a corrupt harddrive (bumped it pretty hard_ |
| 04:41.56 | Supaplex | :) |
| 04:42.00 | siimo | redblades: seems more like a freetype 2.2.1 issue |
| 04:42.01 | siimo | :/ |
| 04:42.07 | redblades | oh |
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| 04:42.42 | user_ | dendrite, I guess I just need to know what packages need to be installed for network devices to work (eth) |
| 04:42.55 | dendrite | jshriver: cdrecord can do it. |
| 04:43.01 | Supaplex | !fsck /dev/brain |
| 04:43.01 | dpkg | e2fsck /dev//dev/brain : warning! filesystem contains dickheads! |
| 04:43.11 | Supaplex | haha |
| 04:43.19 | Supaplex | I was expecting something like, fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... |
| 04:43.30 | Supaplex | ntie :-P |
| 04:43.34 | dendrite | Supaplex: Ha ha! |
| 04:43.54 | sirius | im not sure how to mount with a user |
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| 04:44.19 | sirius | would i do -o user=sirius |
| 04:44.55 | EdLin | sirius: uid= |
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| 04:45.07 | EdLin | sirius: with the numeric uid fount in /etc/passwd |
| 04:45.12 | EdLin | found* |
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| 04:45.56 | sirius | Awsome :D thanks |
| 04:46.06 | EdLin | sirius: np |
| 04:46.26 | stoned | oh the Vogonity |
| 04:46.30 | redblades | Okay, well who uses DDclient? |
| 04:46.43 | stoned | hehehe, he said DD |
| 04:46.51 | jshriver | what's the command to load scsi emulation? getting errors about /dev/pg* |
| 04:46.53 | redblades | SO? |
| 04:46.58 | EdLin | redblades: no, no-one uses DDclient. Not even the people who use it. |
| 04:47.03 | stoned | haha |
| 04:47.05 | redblades | Why? |
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| 04:47.20 | redblades | Is there something wrong with it? |
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| 04:47.24 | stoned | he asked why |
| 04:47.25 | stoned | lol |
| 04:47.35 | rvalles | and my ddclient works just fine |
| 04:47.44 | redblades | Look, if you have a better idea, tell me |
| 04:47.49 | redblades | I'd like to know |
| 04:47.57 | redblades | what 's wrong with DDclient |
| 04:48.00 | stoned | redblades, he was kiddin |
| 04:48.03 | user_ | Anyone: is it possible to copy the contents of a debian install CD to a USB key and install from that? |
| 04:48.12 | EdLin | SDNWOTN |
| 04:48.19 | Dewi | user_: can you boot off a flash disk? |
| 04:48.23 | redblades | stoned, Oh I missed the sarcasm |
| 04:48.24 | user_ | Dewi, nope. |
| 04:48.30 | Dewi | user_: floppy disk? |
| 04:48.32 | user_ | Dewi, well I dont think so. its an old computer |
| 04:48.33 | jshriver | hrm I've heard that some bios's support booting frmo USB but dont know |
| 04:48.34 | rvalles | user_: afaik yes, if the computer allows for booting from usb |
| 04:48.38 | user_ | Dewi, sure. |
| 04:48.41 | rvalles | user_: if you cannot... the installation disks... |
| 04:48.50 | stoned | user_, if the usb is big enough, you can boot with an hd media image off the usb key, and then use the .iso located on the key to isntall debian with |
| 04:49.00 | redblades | stoned, so anyway, the sites instructions seem aimed at Red Hat |
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| 04:49.01 | rvalles | user_: after loading the "boot" disk, it askw you to insert either the "root" floppy |
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| 04:49.11 | user_ | stoned, its a gig. |
| 04:49.12 | rvalles | user_: ... or a USB massstorage device with the stuff |
| 04:49.29 | rvalles | user_: I don't know what must be written in the usb key, tho |
| 04:49.42 | rvalles | user_: no idea if just dumping the install cd there would do the trick. |
| 04:49.50 | dendrite | jshriver: Perhaps 'modprobe ide-scsi' would do it. |
| 04:49.55 | stoned | user_, then put an hd-media kernel/initrd on the usbkey, also put on it in a dir the debian .iso file and then boto with it |
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| 04:50.01 | Dewi | rvalles: I tried that once and killed an mp3 player |
| 04:50.05 | stoned | then tell the d-i to mount .iso |
| 04:50.32 | rvalles | Dewi: I doubt your mp3 player likes ISO9660 |
| 04:50.45 | Dewi | rvalles: not the point |
| 04:50.52 | Dewi | rvalles: it killed the mass storage thing |
| 04:50.56 | rvalles | Dewi: most like FAT32 and that's about it |
| 04:50.57 | rvalles | oh |
| 04:50.59 | rvalles | insane. |
| 04:51.09 | jshriver | It is possible to downgrade debian? my system is all screwed up after apt-get update && upgrade in testing |
| 04:51.11 | jshriver | X is borked |
| 04:51.22 | Dewi | rvalles: tried PC, mac, linux, openbsd, and maybe even solaris (I have a friend with lots of systems)... nothing could see it. |
| 04:51.25 | user_ | stoned, ok, let me get this straight..."boot with an hd image off the usb key"...what does that mean? the machine is about 7 years old. |
| 04:51.32 | user_ | So it cannot boot USB keys, im sure. |
| 04:51.32 | jshriver | and a million and one libraries are screwed up with X |
| 04:51.38 | stoned | user_, then you cannot boot off of a usb key |
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| 04:51.50 | rvalles | Dewi: evil devices from hell... |
| 04:52.13 | Dewi | rvalles: I'm going to be real careful next time I throw ISOs onto keys, that's all :) |
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| 04:52.42 | Dewi | rvalles: also booting off mp3 players is just insane :) |
| 04:52.54 | user_ | stoned, isnt there some way I can make a floppy boot disk and then mount an iso on the key and have a boot loader from the floppy boot the iso? |
| 04:52.58 | rvalles | Dewi: I cannot see it as insane |
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| 04:53.51 | Dewi | rvalles: I went out and bought a 512mb USB key with no real need for one, just so I don't get impatient one day and ruin another mp3 player |
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| 04:54.13 | Dewi | rvalles: you know how it is when you're installing - you'll cannibalise anything in the region just to get the bastard booting :D |
| 04:54.19 | stoned | I made an mp3player in 97, 40gb big, mounted in my car |
| 04:54.32 | rvalles | Dewi: I know I know ;) |
| 04:54.57 | stoned | 133mhz pc, in a plastic case with holes for ventilation, connectted to ac convertor in car, with a keypad, running windows 95 and winamp as shell |
| 04:55.03 | rvalles | Dewi: fighting against the computer, till you dominate it with a successful debian install |
| 04:55.16 | stoned | only downside, you had to print out an entir eplaylist otherwise there is no knowing where music is. ther eis no display/screen |
| 04:55.17 | rvalles | stoned: ugh, windows based :O |
| 04:55.29 | stoned | back then linux hw support sucked assholes |
| 04:55.40 | zephyrus | slackware sucks |
| 04:55.41 | rvalles | you're exageratting |
| 04:55.44 | rvalles | it wasn't so bad :P |
| 04:55.50 | Gokee2 | Is there any konsole fstab editer |
| 04:55.53 | Gnea | it didn't suck my asshole |
| 04:55.54 | Gokee2 | ble |
| 04:55.58 | Gokee2 | command line* |
| 04:56.03 | stoned | Gnea, figuratively |
| 04:56.09 | Gnea | stoned: i know :) |
| 04:56.11 | jshriver | cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus keeps trying to probe /dev/hda how can you tell it to use /dev/hdc? |
| 04:56.12 | Gokee2 | so I don`t have to edit it by hand |
| 04:56.20 | redblades | rvalles, I just intalled ddclient, anmd it is asking about the interface |
| 04:56.28 | zephyrus | no, i wasnt |
| 04:56.32 | redblades | which interface do I use |
| 04:56.32 | zephyrus | i was being nice rvalles |
| 04:56.33 | zephyrus | ;0) |
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| 04:56.40 | rvalles | redblades: whatever interface is apropiate. |
| 04:56.40 | user_ | rvalles, hey |
| 04:56.42 | rvalles | sigh |
| 04:56.45 | user_ | rvalles, you suggested a floppy disk |
| 04:56.49 | rvalles | user_: yup |
| 04:56.52 | user_ | rvalles, how would that work? |
| 04:56.58 | redblades | rvalles, what is the interface? It gives no options, just a textbox |
| 04:57.03 | rvalles | user_: debian's new install system is quite decent |
| 04:57.12 | rvalles | redblades: man ifconfig |
| 04:57.19 | user_ | rvalles, I cant find any mention of floppies in the download section of the site |
| 04:57.21 | rvalles | user_: basically, one boot floppy |
| 04:57.30 | rvalles | user_: which does have a kernel and an initrd, I believe |
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| 04:57.36 | rvalles | user_: then a root floppy |
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| 04:57.59 | redblades | rvalles, I have no idea what it all says |
| 04:58.02 | rvalles | user_: and then two drivers floppies, cd-drivers and net-drivers; use either depending on the desired source of installation |
| 04:58.20 | rvalles | user_: if the source is the usb key, you'll need neither, I believe. |
| 04:58.38 | redblades | I just want it to update the IP, but I don't know what to pick |
| 04:59.03 | rvalles | user_: thing is, after booting the "boot" one, it'll ask you to either insert the "root" floppy or a usb mass storage device ;) |
| 04:59.15 | user_ | rvalles, humor me for a second: is there a way that I could boot a boot-loader from a floppy to mount and load an ISO on a usb-key? |
| 04:59.29 | rvalles | redblades: you want to update the ip of your dynamic host using the IP of which interface? |
| 04:59.40 | redblades | I don't know what that means |
| 04:59.55 | rvalles | redblades: come on, how do you connect to the internet? |
| 04:59.57 | redblades | I just assumed it would use port 80 |
| 05:00.14 | redblades | i.e. the web |
| 05:00.19 | rvalles | redblades: run "ifconfig" to see the currently operative interfaces. |
| 05:00.27 | rvalles | redblades: and figure out which one is internet; that's it. |
| 05:01.11 | sirius | How come in terminal with root i can see windows/system32 directorys but when in sirius and file browser i only see the drivers folder on my NTFS mount ? |
| 05:01.30 | redblades | there is an "eth0" I'm guessing that one... |
| 05:01.32 | rvalles | user_: I have no idea... there are similar tools for booting CDs from bioses that don't support booting from cd |
| 05:01.33 | redblades | rvalles, |
| 05:01.41 | rvalles | user_: but no idea about usb |
| 05:02.07 | rvalles | redblades: is your "eth0" up with the external IP, or an internal one (NAT)? |
| 05:02.33 | stoned | user_, have you read the debian installation manual? |
| 05:02.37 | rvalles | redblades: in the second case, it'll get tricky, you'll have to set up ddclient manually later using a different method for figuring the ip out |
| 05:02.49 | stoned | user_, every possible way to isntall debian onto a machine is detailed in it |
| 05:02.51 | redblades | well, there is one that says "lo" and has "local loopback" |
| 05:02.52 | rvalles | user_: if you just need to install debian... |
| 05:02.54 | user_ | stoned, I've installed debian many times, I just don't want to have to remove my hard drive again :-\ |
| 05:02.56 | stoned | !tell user_ about install guide |
| 05:03.23 | rvalles | user_: then, by all means, look at the install guide. |
| 05:03.27 | stoned | user_, it doesn't matter how many times you'v einstalled debian, if you have not read the install guide, then you don't really know shit |
| 05:03.30 | stoned | ;/ |
| 05:03.47 | user_ | stoned, easy there killer |
| 05:03.53 | rvalles | stoned: I <3 the new install system |
| 05:03.58 | stoned | would you rather I said 'feces' |
| 05:04.03 | stoned | or perhaps you don't know fecal matter |
| 05:04.20 | user_ | thats really just unnecessary |
| 05:04.56 | stoned | you are trying to isntall debian without having read the install guide |
| 05:05.03 | stoned | apparantly |
| 05:05.34 | redblades | rvalles, it has three IP's, one of them is my internal one |
| 05:05.44 | redblades | the others, I don't recognise |
| 05:06.13 | user_ | stoned, all I'm asking is if there is a way to get a freakin boot-loader to mount and boot a FILE such as an ISO |
| 05:06.22 | stoned | NO |
| 05:06.25 | stoned | its a kernels job |
| 05:06.27 | user_ | THANK you |
| 05:06.29 | stoned | not a boot laoders job |
| 05:06.58 | stoned | like I told you |
| 05:07.03 | stoned | get an hdmedia initrd/kernel |
| 05:07.43 | redblades | rvalles, I wrote a script a while back that returns the external IP address |
| 05:07.57 | user_ | what is this "hdmedia" then? debian website makes no mention of it |
| 05:08.08 | stoned | but I wonder |
| 05:08.30 | sparr | what is the name of the graphical text entry method where you visually 'fall' into consecutive letters sliding in from the side of the screen? |
| 05:08.48 | tonsofpcs | ? |
| 05:09.07 | stoned | can one mount usb during the debian installer, I don't remember seeing a kernel module in the list, and a kernel is installed later in the isntall anyway |
| 05:09.41 | tonsofpcs | stoned: if the base for the installer can, I'm pretty sure the netinst cd has support (/dev/sda# probably), not positive though |
| 05:10.47 | stoned | hmm |
| 05:10.49 | rvalles | redblades: read ddclient documentation, then |
| 05:11.00 | stoned | maybe you could put the usb module in the ramdisk image |
| 05:11.15 | rvalles | redblades: I did a trick with a script to provide ddclient of the external address years ago for a home server at a friends' place |
| 05:11.34 | tonsofpcs | stoned: it might be on one of the scsi drivers disks if it's not in base |
| 05:11.39 | rvalles | redblades: you have a script already... linking it to ddclient was trivial and obvious upon reading the docs. |
| 05:12.05 | rvalles | redblades: at my home network, I have a dedicated machine, which I built with pieces I collected from trash |
| 05:12.20 | rvalles | redblades: running pppd (pppoe) in there |
| 05:12.44 | redblades | hmm |
| 05:12.47 | redblades | Okay |
| 05:12.53 | rvalles | redblades: and have a hardware router set to do just switch/bridge functions |
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| 05:13.04 | rvalles | redblades: because domestic hardware routers seriously suck |
| 05:13.23 | rvalles | redblades: crappy and slow limited-to-few-connections nat, crappy and slow QoS. |
| 05:13.27 | rvalles | redblades: linux does it so much better. |
| 05:14.06 | redblades | Look, basically, I just need to know which interface to use, and etho seems like a good choice, but I don't know if it is correct or what I have to do if it isn't |
| 05:14.08 | rvalles | the home server (pentium mmx 200) also runs rtorrent, nfs, ntpd, apache2, ddclient and other stuff |
| 05:14.11 | Dewi | rvalles is right. Although I think the medium to high end domestic hardware stuff is probably a lot better than the rock bottom cheap stuff. |
| 05:14.24 | rvalles | redblades: the "interface" option is _only_ used to obtain the ip address |
| 05:14.28 | stoned | d is nice |
| 05:14.29 | stoned | dd* |
| 05:14.30 | redblades | I know |
| 05:14.34 | rvalles | redblades: in your case, no local interface has an external address |
| 05:14.38 | rvalles | redblades: so set anything |
| 05:14.48 | redblades | okay |
| 05:14.52 | rvalles | redblades: and edit the config later to use a different method to obtain ip; refer to documentation. |
| 05:14.59 | redblades | Okay thanks |
| 05:15.20 | dendrite | redblades: Note that 'man interfaces' may have some useful clues. |
| 05:16.58 | stoned | haha |
| 05:17.06 | stoned | dendrite ! lol, what a nickname |
| 05:17.22 | dendrite | o_O |
| 05:17.24 | stoned | dendrites are cool |
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| 05:17.59 | dendrite | Aw shucks. |
| 05:18.08 | stoned | no really |
| 05:18.08 | ChakRa | guys this may be a little offtopic but looking for a good documentaion on integration of samab server made specifically in debian and its integration with win server 2003 Active Directory. Any help would be awsome |
| 05:18.25 | stoned | ChakRa, #samba |
| 05:18.32 | ChakRa | tried :( |
| 05:18.38 | stoned | ChakRa, also ##windows |
| 05:18.46 | ChakRa | seems liked a ghost town over at samba |
| 05:18.50 | ChakRa | ooo lemme try that |
| 05:18.54 | stoned | ChakRa, be patient |
| 05:19.00 | redblades | okay, next issue, one of the packages I'm trying to run, "3ddesktop" requires nvidia-glx |
| 05:19.10 | ChakRa | stoned, will do and thanks for the help |
| 05:19.22 | stoned | dendrite, my folks are neuropsychiatrsits, excuse me, I have plenty of cray med jokes |
| 05:19.34 | redblades | I actually installed hte official nvidia 3d graphics driver for The GeForce... (MX?) |
| 05:20.28 | dendrite | stoned: Ah. That explains why my nick rang your bell. :-) |
| 05:20.53 | stoned | yeh, don't judge me by my nick and random shit I say |
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| 05:21.26 | stoned | dendrite, so you like that stuf |
| 05:21.32 | dendrite | stoned: A nick is far less than a cover, even, eh? |
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| 05:21.52 | redblades | but it still requires it, but when I downloaded it (as well as other binaries that were listed in apt, but not available) they returned errors (ddclient_3.6.2-3.1_all.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
| 05:21.53 | redblades | ddclient_3.6.2-3.1_all.deb: line 1: `!<arch>' |
| 05:21.53 | redblades | ) |
| 05:22.03 | stoned | dendrite, I researched hard into cannibinoid receptors and the change in neurochemistry due to cannabii |
| 05:22.06 | ram_einstein | I'm on AMD64 (x86_64). Should I get Debian i386? |
| 05:22.09 | stoned | its very interesting stuff |
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| 05:22.33 | dendrite | stoned: Yes, it's extremely interesting. |
| 05:22.37 | ram_einstein | you guys don't have an x86_64 port and that's a problem |
| 05:22.59 | dendrite | stoned: And complicated. And of course you end up right at the border of self-awareness versus determinism. |
| 05:23.04 | stoned | dendrite, theoretically, HTP5 for a few weeks, + mdma + any SSRI == perfect roll |
| 05:23.14 | ram_einstein | I don't mind pure 64 either. But what will someline like me normally do? |
| 05:23.49 | stoned | dendrite, the way seratonis is affected by both chemicals |
| 05:23.58 | dendrite | stoned: I did my time with pot and it's allies, but that's definitely behind me now... |
| 05:24.05 | stoned | just saying |
| 05:25.10 | dendrite | stoned: Is that recipe ^^ the basis for some of the new extended wakefulness drugs coming out? |
| 05:25.25 | dendrite | That's some amazing stuff there. |
| 05:25.46 | stoned | no, just about responsible substance use |
| 05:26.06 | dendrite | stoned: Ah. Of course my problem was the responsible part... =) |
| 05:26.32 | stoned | exactly, people blame drugs, when they really should be blaming themselves |
| 05:27.00 | stoned | this includes physical dependencies |
| 05:27.05 | dendrite | Oh, I know. It's all in the head... |
| 05:27.34 | dendrite | stoned: One can argue that addiction/compulsive/dependency issues are all more or less the same. |
| 05:27.49 | stoned | not entirely accurate |
| 05:27.54 | redblades | OOPS! Did I just stumble into #pot again? |
| 05:27.55 | dendrite | stoned: Did you see the movie _What the %$^&# do we know_ ? |
| 05:28.32 | stoned | the body requiring a substance, and going into widthdrawl because of not having it, is not othe same as wanting to be high on something |
| 05:28.51 | stoned | dendrite, please don't do that |
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| 05:28.57 | wimp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:29.16 | valdyn | wimp: why the hell would you do that? |
| 05:29.17 | stoned | wimp, thats a good question, but why?> |
| 05:29.25 | dendrite | stoned: If I thought irc was really capable of such action, I'd not have tried that humor. |
| 05:29.40 | wimp | valdyn, stupid constraints in writing a scheme interprter, longs tory |
| 05:29.41 | stoned | dendrite, it is inappropriate for #debian |
| 05:29.49 | dendrite | wimp: Are you rewriting libc6 or something??? |
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| 05:30.06 | valdyn | wimp: you can directly use the system call, but that will make your program non-portable |
| 05:30.09 | dendrite | stoned: Heh heh. If you say so... |
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| 05:30.17 | stoned | dendrite, I do |
| 05:30.27 | wimp | valdyn, awesome; can you point me at the man page I should read? |
| 05:30.32 | valdyn | wimp: but i dont believe that malloc reall imposes the restrictions on you that you think |
| 05:31.33 | dendrite | stoned: So, did you see the movie _What the %$^&# do we know_ ? I recommend it. |
| 05:31.54 | redblades | dendrite, does this mean I have to give it back? |
| 05:32.12 | dendrite | I almost said " I recommend it highly." but caught myself just in time to avoid getting clubbed over the head by the #debian fashion police... |
| 05:32.30 | dendrite | redblades: I think that topic is over. |
| 05:32.48 | redblades | Okay, come on, depite all the other issues I've had, one is really bugging me |
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| 05:33.51 | valdyn | wimp: i dont remember that call, still, you should not use it |
| 05:33.59 | redblades | There are packages that I need that can't be retrieved from apt, and when I try and install the .deb, it comes up with syntactical errors |
| 05:34.18 | valdyn | wimp: only the standard c library is supposed to directly use that |
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| 05:35.47 | dendrite | wimp: What limitations are you finding with malloc? |
| 05:36.11 | redblades | why can't I use even a .deb file? |
| 05:36.28 | dendrite | redblades: Can you ask more specific questions? |
| 05:36.34 | wimp | I'm writing a scheme -> assembly translator |
| 05:36.35 | redblades | it's ridiculous! Debian is having issues witha a deb |
| 05:36.40 | Gnea | redblades: probably because they're from another branch |
| 05:36.41 | wimp | I'm tring to avoid the whole c library |
| 05:36.41 | valdyn | redblades: can you tell us the error instead of your interpretation |
| 05:36.50 | redblades | dendrite, I can't get any .deb to run |
| 05:36.53 | valdyn | wimp: that does sound sick |
| 05:37.04 | redblades | ddclient_3.6.2-3.1_all.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
| 05:37.05 | redblades | ddclient_3.6.2-3.1_all.deb: line 1: `!<arch>' |
| 05:37.05 | Surgo | Is there any explanation for arts/alsa to give frequent half-or-quarter second pauses for me on Linux 2.6.16.20, with the system under a low load? It used to be perfectly clear, no pauses, under a much higher system load, in past kernels. |
| 05:37.08 | streuner | redblades: There are debs and there are other debs... |
| 05:37.10 | Gnea | redblades: what .deb files did you download and from where? |
| 05:37.16 | wimp | valdyn, do you have any recollections of where I can find this system call? |
| 05:37.22 | Gnea | redblades: uh, did you chmod +x to the .deb? |
| 05:37.31 | valdyn | wimp: there's alternative c libraries, sure, but you really are making that compiler be linux-only? |
| 05:37.31 | dendrite | redblades: And what command did you try? |
| 05:37.38 | wimp | valdyn, yes |
| 05:37.46 | wimp | valdyn, I'll happily narrow it to linux on x86 too |
| 05:37.55 | dendrite | wimp: I'm not sure your nick is accurate... ;-) |
| 05:38.11 | dendrite | wimp: Because what you're doing doesn't sound like it's for the faint of heart. |
| 05:38.25 | redblades | ddclient_3.6.2-3.1_all.deb and nvidia -glx ??? |
| 05:38.33 | redblades | All from the debian site |
| 05:38.34 | Surgo | Using xMMs, arts output plugin, straight into alsa. |
| 05:38.35 | Gnea | redblades: hold up. stop! |
| 05:38.39 | Gnea | redblades: just STOP |
| 05:38.40 | redblades | Okay |
| 05:38.41 | dendrite | redblades: So what exact command did you try? |
| 05:38.48 | valdyn | wimp: http://netwinder.osuosl.org/users/p/patb/public_html/lecture.html |
| 05:38.57 | Gnea | redblades: what is the exact command you're running? |
| 05:39.01 | wimp | valdyn, awesome; thanks; |
| 05:39.04 | redblades | sh debian_binary.deb |
| 05:39.09 | dendrite | Eeek! |
| 05:39.10 | Gnea | no. |
| 05:39.14 | Gnea | dendrite: see? |
| 05:39.15 | redblades | What? |
| 05:39.20 | dendrite | redblades: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 05:39.21 | Gnea | !tell redblades about newbie_guide |
| 05:39.23 | Gnea | !tell redblades about newbiedoc |
| 05:39.29 | Gnea | redblades: please, go read those |
| 05:39.34 | redblades | AGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 05:39.48 | redblades | I'm so sorry! I completely got the command mixed up then! |
| 05:39.58 | Gnea | redblades: second, .deb packages aren't meant to be run like that - they're packages that get run through the dpkg command like this: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 05:40.09 | zephyrus | any of you have experience with nandub? |
| 05:40.49 | ram_einstein | excuse me. I'm on AMD64 (x86_64). Should I get Debian i386? |
| 05:40.55 | Gnea | !amd64 |
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| 05:40.56 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 05:41.04 | redblades | I'm so sorry! I completely got the command mixed up then! |
| 05:41.07 | dendrite | zephyrus: Hmm. NO, but nandub looks like an interesting utility. |
| 05:41.22 | redblades | I jsut posted the same thing soory |
| 05:41.27 | tonsofpcs | why does dpkg use memory, isn't that volatile? why not a HDD? |
| 05:41.29 | ram_einstein | Gnea: thank you |
| 05:41.32 | Gnea | redblades: finally, if you retrieved those .deb files from a repository that doesn't match your branch (ie. sarge, etch, sid) then they will likely fuck up |
| 05:41.39 | Gnea | !tell redblades about repeat |
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| 05:42.37 | valdyn | wimp: also: man 2 alloc_hugepages |
| 05:42.41 | zephyrus | dendrite, yeah |
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| 05:42.48 | zephyrus | im about to try the gknot frontend |
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| 05:43.01 | valdyn | wimp: dont know the complete set of memory system calls.. |
| 05:43.16 | redblades | Okay and also, I seem to have lost the link for the Debian site from where I you download the .deb files |
| 05:43.17 | wimp | valdyn, it's a good starting point, thanks :-) |
| 05:43.20 | ram_einstein | how good is the port? does it work and will I get the latest packages from the repo for amd64? |
| 05:43.34 | dendrite | redblades: You say these are official debs? |
| 05:44.02 | valdyn | wimp: http://man-wiki.net/index.php/Section2 |
| 05:44.18 | redblades | dendrite, ueah |
| 05:44.19 | redblades | yeah |
| 05:44.27 | dendrite | redblades: So why not just apt-get them? |
| 05:44.36 | redblades | Ah, well I can't |
| 05:44.43 | Gnea | redblades: you don't need the url, just use apt-get |
| 05:44.44 | wimp | valdyn, this list is portable over all linux 2.6/2.4 kernels? |
| 05:44.47 | Gnea | redblades: yes you can. |
| 05:44.55 | Gnea | redblades: what's holding you back? |
| 05:45.04 | dendrite | redblades: Why can't you? What's stopping you? |
| 05:45.23 | redblades | they appear there, but I can't get them because they are not able to be installed from any of the links in sources.list |
| 05:45.30 | redblades | It's a bit of a mes |
| 05:45.32 | redblades | mess |
| 05:45.33 | valdyn | wimp: alloc_hugepages is only working in 2.5.36+ |
| 05:45.55 | Gnea | redblades: that's not very descriptive, more like extremely vague. we don't work well with vague people. |
| 05:45.57 | redblades | I'm supposed to be running etch, but for some reason |
| 05:46.08 | dendrite | redblades: Can you install other things using apt-get? vim, for instance? |
| 05:46.33 | redblades | yep |
| 05:46.33 | valdyn | wimp: and only with kernel that have CONFIG_HUGETLB_PAGE enabled |
| 05:46.49 | valdyn | wimp: see the manpages linked to, for each syscal |
| 05:46.50 | redblades | but when I upgraded from sarge to etch, the system seemed to have a mix of old packages and new packages |
| 05:47.16 | redblades | I'm certain the sources.list has the wrong repos for etch |
| 05:47.37 | dorel__ | how can i check if the freeradius package was built using the '--with-experimental-modules' ./configure option? |
| 05:47.42 | dendrite | redblades: If you're certain of that, then by all means edit to correct! |
| 05:48.06 | redblades | I don't know what the correct thing s are |
| 05:48.38 | valdyn | dorel__: check the functionality? |
| 05:49.02 | dendrite | redblades: Odds are you can copy / duplicate all the lines that say sarge, and instead put 'testing' or maybe 'etch'. |
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| 05:49.17 | dendrite | I'm not running etch anywhere, so maybe someone here who is can confirm that... |
| 05:49.25 | dorel__ | valdyn: yeah but other than that :) |
| 05:49.43 | dendrite | redblades: You can keep your sarge lines if you want, it shouldn't hurt. |
| 05:49.49 | redblades | I see |
| 05:49.58 | valdyn | dorel__: 'apt-get source freeradius', and read the source |
| 05:50.23 | redblades | can you point me in the direction of a website that would have the contents of sources.list, for etch? |
| 05:50.29 | dendrite | so deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main might become deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 05:50.42 | valdyn | dorel__: dpkg-source -x freeradius-foo.dsc to extract, and read debian/rules in the source tree |
| 05:51.00 | dorel__ | cool thanks ill check it out valdyn |
| 05:51.01 | dendrite | redblades: Sources will vary from one system to the next. |
| 05:51.55 | iluciv | Hi I've just installed a base install on debian (etch) and I'm trying to install xfce desktop through apt what is the command to do this (with x installed also pls) as I only have commmand line at the moment and do not have the resources to install gnome or kde |
| 05:52.01 | dendrite | redblades: In fact I suspect that simply adding "deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main" to your list will solve most of your troubles... |
| 05:52.16 | Surgo | Is there any explanation for arts/alsa to give frequent half-or-quarter second pauses on Linux 2.6.16.20, with the system under a rather low load? It used to be perfectly clear, no pauses, under a much higher system load, in past kernels. I have xMMs going to arts going to alsa, but it does the same thing when it goes to alsa. |
| 05:52.35 | dendrite | redblades: Or whatever repository mirror you prefer... |
| 05:52.39 | sid | ildegar: apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xorg xfce4 firefox |
| 05:52.52 | redblades | dendrite, I'm doind apt-get update now... |
| 05:53.18 | iluciv | sid: cool thanks (I think that was directed at myself :S) |
| 05:53.26 | sid | iluciv: yes |
| 05:53.37 | cahoot | Surgo: does mplayer or alsaplayer exhibit the same problem? |
| 05:53.52 | Surgo | cahoot: I shall check... |
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| 05:56.17 | netman1 | [OT] Xen rocks!!! |
| 05:56.19 | nvz | i built a repo from iso i mounted how do i create package and release files |
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| 05:57.00 | Surgo | cahoot: ah, I found an option to increase the sound buffer, which I proceeded to do...seems to work better now. |
| 05:57.03 | dendrite | netman1: I don't know about [OT]... :-) |
| 05:57.12 | netman1 | nvz: dpkg-scanpackages or something like that |
| 05:58.01 | redblades | dendrite, I got this error: |
| 05:58.01 | redblades | Package nvidia-glx has no available version, but exists in the database. |
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| 05:58.46 | netman1 | dendrite: [OT] Vanderpool / Pacifica hypervisor sofware ;-) Running 7 vm's on a single box! |
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| 06:01.02 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx |
| 06:01.04 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8762-2 (sid), Packaged size: 3213 kB, Installed size: 10608 kB |
| 06:01.29 | Surgo | Still not perfect, though...ugh. |
| 06:01.41 | Surgo | Let's try it with mplayer. |
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| 06:02.15 | dendrite | redblades: Looks like you may need to add non-free to your sources. |
| 06:03.07 | dendrite | netman1: It's been a while since I played with VM's -- I was dinking with UML. Sounds like thigs have really progressed. |
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| 06:03.45 | Surgo | cahoot: yeah, I get the same problem with mplayer. |
| 06:04.39 | Surgo | In fact, it's far worse with mplayer. |
| 06:05.03 | netman1 | dendrite: It's really worth it. Running the previous stable with uptimes of 180+days. Latest release just as stable. |
| 06:05.10 | cahoot | Surgo: what module/card? |
| 06:05.31 | dendrite | netman1: How would you compare/contrast Zen versus UML? |
| 06:05.36 | dendrite | s/Z/X/ |
| 06:06.07 | Surgo | cahoot: intel 8x0 AC'97, onboard thingie. |
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| 06:06.22 | redblades | dendrite, okay, what might that be? |
| 06:06.23 | cahoot | Surgo: laptop? |
| 06:06.29 | Surgo | No, desktop. |
| 06:06.47 | redblades | dendrite, actually, how about, you tell me the place to look and I'll stop being so lazy |
| 06:06.54 | redblades | : ) |
| 06:06.54 | netman1 | dendrite: AFAIK Xen limits vm's hardware usage as where UML doesn't. And you get really separated boxes (ie. no partition sharing etc.) and hardware. |
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| 06:08.41 | dendrite | redblades: Try adding non-free to the 'testing' line, after 'main'. |
| 06:09.08 | dendrite | redblades: And I'm not sure what a good specific place is to learn about this, though I'm sure a few chops at google would get you somewhere useful... |
| 06:09.51 | dendrite | netman1: So Xen is a harder VM? Interesting. |
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| 06:09.57 | piratepenguin | how do I create a .deb ? (I need to make an empty .dep...) |
| 06:10.10 | Gnea | piratepenguin: equivs |
| 06:10.23 | Surgo | piratepenguin: easiest way is to just apt-get source some package and look at the debian/* files |
| 06:10.24 | netman1 | dendrite: That is more accurate, yes. |
| 06:10.34 | dendrite | piratepenguin: apt-get hello |
| 06:10.57 | Gnea | !equivs |
| 06:10.57 | dpkg | equivs is, like, a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 06:11.33 | piratepenguin | thanks |
| 06:11.33 | dendrite | piratepenguin: or hello-debhelper |
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| 06:13.13 | redblades | dendrite, I haev three lines that have the word testing in them |
| 06:14.37 | dendrite | redblades: Note that you can combine sections on one line, e.g., main non-free contrib |
| 06:15.25 | dendrite | redblades: Also note that sources.list has a man page... |
| 06:15.40 | dendrite | redblades: Though it won't specifically deal with the issue you're sawing away at. |
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| 06:17.48 | redblades | Dendrite, hmm... still smae issue |
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| 06:18.28 | SquareGuy | anyone know of a xebian (debian on xbox) irc channel anywhere? |
| 06:18.32 | sasde | Hi now that we have xorg7.0 is there a better way to install xgl? |
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| 06:19.14 | dendrite | redblades: Well hopefully you have enough pieces to put it together, because it seems like we're going 'round in circles... |
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| 06:20.34 | redblades | Can you run Debian on the XBox? |
| 06:20.38 | wimp | what package shoudl I install to get the source code for "dlopen" ? |
| 06:20.52 | sasde | now that we have xorg7.0 is there a better way to install xgl? |
| 06:22.50 | redblades | dendrite, I downloaded the .deb for the nvidia-glx, and would you believe, it has a dependency called "nvidia-glx"! |
| 06:23.03 | redblades | I was sure that was what I was installing |
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| 06:24.33 | redblades | So, can you run Debian on an XBOX? |
| 06:25.06 | ktwilight | google.com/search?q=debian+xbox |
| 06:25.07 | ktwilight | :) |
| 06:25.48 | wimp | what package provides dlopen? |
| 06:27.29 | sid | wimp: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search dlopen|grep bin; |
| 06:28.01 | wimp | whoa didn't knwo about apt-file |
| 06:28.10 | wimp | are there any ogher cool apt utilize other than apt-get and apt-search I should know of? |
| 06:28.56 | wimp | sid: it returns a bunch of manpages and html-docs |
| 06:29.07 | wimp | sid, but no package name |
| 06:29.28 | sid | !tell wimp about apt-cache |
| 06:29.39 | wimp | oh, I know apt-cache too |
| 06:30.58 | wimp | sid,, okay; so I know it's libc6 that I want now |
| 06:31.01 | wimp | how do I get the souce for it? |
| 06:31.43 | sid | wimp: You want to build something from source? |
| 06:31.46 | wimp | yeah |
| 06:31.50 | wimp | after modifying it |
| 06:31.52 | sid | apt-get build-dep package |
| 06:31.56 | sid | apt-get source program |
| 06:32.01 | sid | s/program/package |
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| 06:33.21 | sasde | now that we have xorg7.0 is there a better way to install xgl? |
| 06:34.11 | sid | !tell sasde about xgl |
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| 06:41.45 | valdyn | !xgl |
| 06:41.46 | dpkg | hmm... xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
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| 06:49.16 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 06:49.18 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:53.50 | redblades | dendrite, I think I may have figured out the issue |
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| 06:54.29 | redblades | the dependency is in fact: nvidia-kernel-1.0.8762 |
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| 06:54.46 | redblades | How might I track this down? |
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| 06:55.20 | dendrite | redblades: I'm surprised that apt-get install nvidia-glx doesn't just do the right thing... |
| 06:55.38 | redblades | As am I |
| 06:56.00 | tarzeau | try www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver ? |
| 06:56.01 | streuner | so you are using unstable? :-) |
| 06:56.01 | ktwilight | it's 'normal' |
| 06:56.05 | dendrite | redblades: It complains about a missing dependency... itself?? |
| 06:56.11 | ktwilight | if ya using sid, it works... |
| 06:56.14 | ktwilight | but etch doesn't |
| 06:56.15 | redblades | no, I misread that |
| 06:56.24 | ktwilight | best is just go for nvidia's installer |
| 06:56.56 | dendrite | redblades: Sounds like ktwilight knows the deal. |
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| 06:57.06 | streuner | !nvidia |
| 06:57.06 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 06:57.22 | tarzeau | streuner: why not use nvidia.com's installer? |
| 06:57.29 | redblades | nvidia-glx_1.0.8762-2_i386 |
| 06:57.47 | streuner | tarzeau: it breaks the packages system. |
| 06:57.52 | redblades | this is the package that requires: nvidia-kernel-1.0.8762 |
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| 06:58.22 | streuner | tarzeau: so serious headaches then |
| 06:58.26 | squigly | does any one know what tar does when you reach EOT? |
| 06:58.27 | dendrite | streuner: Breaks as in "lives outside of it" or breaks as in "hoses"? |
| 06:58.32 | tarzeau | streuner: i've never had problems like that |
| 06:58.49 | streuner | tarzeau: well, that doesn't mean other won't |
| 06:58.58 | streuner | s/other/others/ |
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| 06:59.33 | streuner | !factinfo nvidia |
| 06:59.33 | dpkg | nvidia -- last modified at Fri Jan 13 11:25:31 2006 by cheal!i=chealer@pdpc/supporter/student/chealer; it has been requested 2 times, last by streuner, 2m 27s ago. |
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| 07:01.19 | dendrite | I wonder if checkinstall can handle the nvidia installer... |
| 07:01.24 | ktwilight | no lost in using official's nvidia installer... :/ |
| 07:01.25 | redblades | ktwilight, I did use the nvidia installer |
| 07:01.26 | dendrite | I have my doubts. |
| 07:01.42 | ktwilight | it just means you can't uninstall nvidia using aptitude or dpkg... |
| 07:01.49 | redblades | and I still ended up with this issue |
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| 07:01.49 | ktwilight | but who the heck would wanna uninstall it? :/ |
| 07:01.57 | dendrite | redblades: The problem, according to dpkg, is that if X or the kernel changes, e.g., updates, it may break. |
| 07:01.57 | ktwilight | redblades, no idea then. |
| 07:02.00 | ktwilight | anywayz, gotta run, latez |
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| 07:02.14 | ktwilight | dendrite, it doesn't. it just means you have to install the module again |
| 07:02.16 | redblades | NVidia installs in the wrong directory |
| 07:02.20 | ktwilight | which is more or less the same with the debian way |
| 07:02.23 | redblades | dendrite, oh shit. |
| 07:02.30 | ktwilight | no it doesn' redblades, you have to define the right directory |
| 07:02.36 | ktwilight | which is easy |
| 07:02.36 | ktwilight | there are docs that tell ya how |
| 07:02.44 | redblades | It doesn't ask |
| 07:02.52 | ktwilight | you define it! |
| 07:03.21 | ktwilight | just as any other make --lib-directory="path/to/lib" kinda thing... |
| 07:03.29 | redblades | Hmm |
| 07:03.34 | ktwilight | just search, it's dead easy |
| 07:03.37 | ktwilight | gotta run latez |
| 07:03.48 | redblades | k |
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| 07:17.40 | niru | I want to know about anaconda installer that is used for any debian destro installation |
| 07:18.03 | valdyn | niru: anaconda is not in debian, and not used by debian |
| 07:18.51 | Gnea | !anaconda |
| 07:18.51 | dpkg | anaconda is, like, redhat's new installations system, it's GPLed and may come to other distros hopefully it has gtk+ and text based interface, or being ported to Debian by progeny |
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| 07:19.47 | mythicness | Can someone take a look at this walk through: http://bin-false.org/?p=17 |
| 07:19.48 | niru | To which channel shall I have to connect to get anaconda installer help |
| 07:19.58 | mythicness | I dont understand the |
| 07:20.01 | mythicness | "Run parted as root and type:" section |
| 07:20.22 | valdyn | niru: anaconda has nothing to do with debian |
| 07:20.24 | Gnea | niru: either #redhat or #progeny |
| 07:20.30 | valdyn | niru: you're in the wrong channel to ask about it |
| 07:20.32 | sid | Are there any options to use to make a "better" fat32 filesystem...or does it not matter? I need a filesystem that will work by default on windows/mac/GNU+Linux. "mkfs.vfat -I -n 40GiG /dev/sda" |
| 07:20.55 | sid | Is there a better/different way to do a mkfs.vfat. Or the way I did it is basically the best results I'll get. |
| 07:21.12 | valdyn | sid: no |
| 07:21.41 | valdyn | sid: unless you know you want to resize your fat16 fs significantly, for instance ( but why would you use fat16 ) |
| 07:22.05 | sid | valdyn: So will "mkfs.vfat" automatically use fat16? |
| 07:22.25 | valdyn | sid: yea |
| 07:22.30 | valdyn | sid: ops |
| 07:22.36 | valdyn | sid: no, automatically use fat32 |
| 07:22.53 | mythicness | what does "Run parted as root" mean? |
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| 07:23.02 | mythicness | Does it mean I must just be su / root ? |
| 07:23.03 | Dewi | when I hold a package in aptitude, it still seems to try upgrading it when I hit "shift-U" |
| 07:23.08 | sid | valdyn: This is a 40 gig laptop external hdd. And I'm going to be storing a 10 gig file(dvi from a lug meeting). Are there any options I should put with mkfs.vfat to help? |
| 07:23.11 | valdyn | sid: fat16 doesnt work on partitions of the sizes given in your example |
| 07:23.13 | Gnea | mythicness: you must be the root superuser. |
| 07:23.14 | Dewi | I assume some other package is doing this |
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| 07:23.17 | Dewi | how do I find out what? |
| 07:23.21 | Gnea | mythicness: yes. |
| 07:23.37 | sid | mythicness: apt-get install sux qtparted; mythicness Then as non-root type "sux root qtparted" and put in your root pass. |
| 07:23.49 | valdyn | sid: you cannot store files > 4G on fat32 |
| 07:24.02 | sid | damn, I hate windows |
| 07:24.03 | mythicness | oh ok |
| 07:24.09 | sid | I wish windows supported ext3 by default |
| 07:24.11 | valdyn | sid: where linux might still impose a 2G limit, i dont recall that detail |
| 07:24.11 | mythicness | what does qtparted do exactly though ? |
| 07:24.13 | Dewi | sid: you hate the windows of yesteryear, you mean |
| 07:24.20 | Dewi | sid: windows hasn't used vfat for ages |
| 07:24.37 | sid | Dewi: right, but I need to make this hdd compatible with linux/windows/mac |
| 07:24.39 | tonsofpcs | hmm, with IRSSI, is there a way to exec -o cat and have it buffer so that it doesn't flood me out? |
| 07:24.40 | valdyn | sid: you can access ext2/3 from windows |
| 07:24.48 | sid | valdyn: yes but not by default |
| 07:24.49 | roxy_ | what command can update my lspci database (So I don't have unknown device anymore)? |
| 07:24.52 | valdyn | sid: true |
| 07:24.56 | tonsofpcs | valdyn: they got the ext3 read thing stable? |
| 07:25.08 | sid | yea, ext3 works fine on windows. |
| 07:25.11 | sid | just not by default. |
| 07:25.14 | Dewi | sid: I just wish linux had NTFS support that didn't suck. |
| 07:25.27 | sid | Dewi: I do also |
| 07:25.29 | sid | !ntfs |
| 07:25.29 | dpkg | ntfs is, like, Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 07:25.42 | sid | ntfs sucks |
| 07:25.55 | sid | I wish Microsoft actually finished WinFS and made it open. |
| 07:26.03 | sid | haha, like that would ever happen. |
| 07:26.20 | valdyn | sid: winfs isnt supposed to obsolete ntfs |
| 07:26.21 | callee | what happened to http://secure-testing.debian.net |
| 07:26.32 | sid | !tell callee about topic |
| 07:26.38 | Dewi | callee: I dunno. But the factoid now says to check security.debian.org |
| 07:26.39 | valdyn | sid: or even replace it |
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| 07:27.17 | Dewi | so how do I upgrade everything except xserver-xorg to 1:7.0.10 |
| 07:27.18 | Dewi | ? |
| 07:27.22 | Dewi | (on etch) |
| 07:27.24 | valdyn | !hold |
| 07:27.24 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 07:27.36 | Dewi | valdyn: sure, but when I hit "shift-U" to upgrade my hold disappears |
| 07:27.50 | Dewi | valdyn: but maybe I'm holding the wrong thing and another package is bumping it off |
| 07:28.09 | Dewi | xorg sure has a lot of packages though... not really sure where to look |
| 07:28.28 | valdyn | Dewi: xserver-xorg is a specific package that you can hold |
| 07:28.46 | valdyn | Dewi: shift-U is a shortcut used in aptitude? |
| 07:28.53 | Dewi | valdyn: it appears not to be installed |
| 07:29.00 | Dewi | valdyn: can I hold something that isn't installed? |
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| 07:29.09 | Dewi | valdyn: yes, it means upgrade available packages |
| 07:29.25 | roxy_ | roxy_: man lspci |
| 07:29.35 | valdyn | Dewi: you can, but that probably works differently |
| 07:29.35 | roxy_ | roxy_: thanks |
| 07:29.42 | Dewi | valdyn: I can't think of another way to upgrade my system in aptitude |
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| 07:30.05 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 07:30.06 | dpkg | somebody said apt-pinning was read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 07:30.12 | valdyn | Dewi: ^^^ |
| 07:30.30 | MariusX | stew: hey mate. I got a quiestion for you. do you know much about grub dual booting and windows errors such as <windows root>\system32\hal.dll currupted or not found? |
| 07:30.52 | valdyn | Dewi: hold is to hold at current status, pinning is to pin a package to a specific version |
| 07:30.54 | Dewi | valdyn: I don't actually know what to pin, though. |
| 07:31.02 | Dewi | valdyn: I don't know which package is the ringleader of the bad upgrades |
| 07:31.10 | valdyn | Dewi: didnt you just EXPLICITELY say 'xserver-xorg' ? |
| 07:31.16 | Dewi | no, you did |
| 07:31.30 | valdyn | Dewi: Dewi> so how do I upgrade everything except xserver-xorg to 1:7.0.10 |
| 07:31.47 | Dewi | xserver-xorg wasn't installed, and isn't marked as installed after I start to upgrade either |
| 07:31.54 | Dewi | I don't think it's involved at all |
| 07:32.00 | Dewi | actually |
| 07:32.01 | Dewi | btw |
| 07:32.02 | valdyn | Dewi: what's the problem then? |
| 07:32.04 | Dewi | I don't have an xserver |
| 07:32.12 | Dewi | it's the x11 common stuff that's breaking |
| 07:32.14 | Dewi | I only have clients |
| 07:32.38 | Dewi | so I keep holding x11-common, but it just turns the hold off again when I upgrade |
| 07:32.46 | valdyn | Dewi: when you do something , and that something breaks, you get a specific error message that you act upon, 'stuff' is not specific |
| 07:33.02 | MariusX | does anyone know much about grub dual booting and windows errors such as <windows root>\system32\hal.dll currupted or not found? |
| 07:33.03 | Dewi | valdyn: you want a complete list of every x11 package on my system? |
| 07:33.12 | valdyn | Dewi: no, your error |
| 07:33.15 | Dewi | valdyn: I don't know which one is causing the upgrade of everything else |
| 07:33.22 | EdLin | Dewi: that's a rather unusual setup - client and server mean the opposite of the usual meaning in X |
| 07:33.28 | Dewi | valdyn: the error is, if you upgrade x11-common it breaks tightvncserver |
| 07:33.36 | Dewi | valdyn: but holding it does nothing |
| 07:33.50 | valdyn | Dewi: so you're not using 'upgrade' but 'dist-upgrade' ? |
| 07:33.51 | Dewi | EdLin: I use a vnc x server only |
| 07:34.00 | EdLin | MariusX: that's not on-topic here, maybe you'd get more help elsewhere. |
| 07:34.03 | Dewi | valdyn: I'm using the aptitude upgrade, which some say is smarter than either of those. |
| 07:34.04 | valdyn | Dewi: and what's your error message |
| 07:34.12 | sid | valdyn: Should I use fat16 or fat32? |
| 07:34.19 | valdyn | sid: fat32, the default |
| 07:34.29 | Dewi | valdyn: my error message is that tightvncserver requires xserver-common which is now obsoleted |
| 07:34.37 | MariusX | how is it not on topic? it is a debian question? |
| 07:35.01 | Dewi | MariusX: hall.dll isn't a debian file, it is a windows file |
| 07:35.11 | valdyn | Dewi: so put xserver-common on hold |
| 07:35.25 | MariusX | yeah but it is grub that isn't finding the correct path to it |
| 07:35.45 | Gnea | MariusX: so windows doesn't boot? |
| 07:35.46 | valdyn | Dewi: or is xserver-common already removed? |
| 07:36.05 | MariusX | I asked in #windows and they told me that grub wasn't on topic there either |
| 07:36.18 | MariusX | to start with debian and windows wouldn't boot |
| 07:36.21 | Dewi | valdyn: no, it's still there |
| 07:36.36 | Gnea | so the problem is with grub, so reinstall it |
| 07:36.43 | valdyn | MariusX: that error has nothing to do with grub |
| 07:36.51 | Dewi | valdyn: but when I hold 'xbase-clients' and 'x11-common' and 'xserver-common' the upgrade still deselects xserver-common and installs x11-common |
| 07:37.05 | Dewi | valdyn: maybe holding just doesn't work at all where a replacement is happening |
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| 07:37.09 | MariusX | what should I be looking for then? I have found nothing helpful in google. |
| 07:37.17 | valdyn | Dewi: try using apt-get for this instead |
| 07:37.22 | Gnea | do you have a cdrom? |
| 07:37.31 | valdyn | Dewi: aptitude keeps an extended db and im not familiar with it |
| 07:37.39 | Dewi | valdyn: I'd rather not, aptitude has more metadata and more control. I have no idea what apt-get is going to do. |
| 07:37.43 | MariusX | yeah I havea cd rom. no floppy thoug |
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| 07:37.53 | valdyn | Dewi: it will tell you what it will do |
| 07:37.58 | Dewi | valdyn: sometimes it doesn't wait |
| 07:38.05 | valdyn | Dewi: nonsense |
| 07:38.15 | valdyn | Dewi: apt-get -s somestuff |
| 07:38.17 | Dewi | if you go "apt-get install foo" it doesn't wait sometimes |
| 07:38.19 | Gnea | MariusX: i suggest kanotix. |
| 07:38.20 | Dewi | valdyn: okay true |
| 07:38.40 | MariusX | what is that? |
| 07:38.46 | Gnea | !kanotix |
| 07:38.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
| 07:38.52 | Gnea | !googleit |
| 07:38.53 | dpkg | well, googleit is #debian is not your search engine. |
| 07:38.55 | valdyn | MariusX: your windows instal is broken |
| 07:39.37 | Dewi | valdyn: I can only assume that holding won't work in cases of package replacement, I suppose. |
| 07:39.42 | tonsofpcs | anyone know how to have IRSSI exec -o something and have it buffer so that I don't flood out? |
| 07:40.02 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: #irssi |
| 07:40.14 | Gnea | !paster |
| 07:40.14 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
| 07:40.15 | Dewi | oh, you did |
| 07:40.18 | tonsofpcs | Dewi: yea, they're asleep, figured someone here might have a clue ;) |
| 07:40.25 | Dewi | yeah, I see :) |
| 07:40.29 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: it doesn't /exec -o, but it works |
| 07:40.33 | MariusX | I guessed that it was broken. I have no Idea how to fix it and I can't reinstall as I have too may things installed that IO can't get agian :( |
| 07:40.41 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: the guy is right about pastebin, it's useful. |
| 07:40.47 | MariusX | I will try the ppl in #windows again |
| 07:40.49 | Dewi | although pastebin.com is still borked atm |
| 07:41.03 | tonsofpcs | Dewi: yea, I'm not typing everything in myself and it's kinda hard to pipe a file in with lynx or links |
| 07:41.08 | Gnea | MariusX: the idea is to burn kanotix and boot it so you can see what the problem is. |
| 07:41.11 | valdyn | MariusX: windows has a repare function on the install cdrom for a reason |
| 07:41.23 | valdyn | MariusX: but this _really_ is not a windows support channel |
| 07:41.29 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: why not use the clipboard? |
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| 07:41.41 | Dewi | valdyn: maybe grub did something windows didn't like... but I can't think of anything |
| 07:41.48 | tonsofpcs | Dewi: what clipboard? how? |
| 07:42.20 | valdyn | Dewi: though theoretically possibly, there's no reason why grub would all of a sudden write elsewhere than the mbr |
| 07:42.23 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: well. Depending on your environment, you could have an x-windows clipboard, a windows clipboard, a linux console clipboard, or the screen clipboard |
| 07:42.45 | tonsofpcs | Dewi: ok, how do I pipe a file into the screen clipboard or the console clipboard? |
| 07:42.49 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: all of them should enable you to copy the output of a command from one window to another |
| 07:42.59 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: do you have a mouse? |
| 07:43.12 | valdyn | tonsofpcs: /exec -o blahblah | more ( maybe ) |
| 07:43.13 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: it really does depend what environment you're using |
| 07:43.14 | tonsofpcs | Dewi: I'm ssh'd in |
| 07:43.23 | tonsofpcs | openssh to screen |
| 07:43.36 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: well, screen has a clipboard |
| 07:43.48 | tonsofpcs | Dewi: but how do I put a file onto the clipboard? |
| 07:44.28 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: I believe it's possible, but I'm not sure. Are you sitting in front of a GUI? |
| 07:44.36 | tonsofpcs | Dewi: no |
| 07:44.42 | Dewi | do you have a mouse? |
| 07:44.52 | liable | oo is soooo slow |
| 07:45.00 | EdLin | Dewi: he's ssh'd in |
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| 07:45.11 | MariusX | thanks valdyn and Gnea I will look into kanotix and I will ask in #windows |
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| 07:45.16 | Dewi | I'm sshed in too, but gnome and windows still have a mouse with which to copy and paste text |
| 07:45.20 | tonsofpcs | yes, but i don't have it configured, and even if i did, it wouldn't go to the ssh server, would it? |
| 07:45.27 | Dewi | well, yes, it would |
| 07:45.29 | tonsofpcs | Dewi: I'm not running in a GUI |
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| 07:45.46 | power1 | Any1 know any sites that specialize in Linux hardware reviews Ie components like motherboards etc...? |
| 07:45.49 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: even linux console has a clipboard |
| 07:45.57 | tonsofpcs | Dewi: you've said that already... |
| 07:46.00 | Dewi | but obviously only with a mouse |
| 07:46.05 | tonsofpcs | that doesn't tell me how to push a file into it |
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| 07:46.10 | Dewi | and since you're in screen, you have a clipboard too |
| 07:46.16 | acad | i accidently locked myself out of a system- i deleted the root account and now i get sudo: no passwd entry for root! and segments if i try su |
| 07:46.22 | acad | any syggestions? |
| 07:46.30 | tonsofpcs | acad: boot disc? |
| 07:46.34 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: in linux console, you just drag the mouse over it, and then use right button to paste |
| 07:46.37 | acad | can't- virtual server |
| 07:46.37 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: I think |
| 07:46.41 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: or is it middle button? |
| 07:46.45 | acad | :) hehe |
| 07:46.46 | tonsofpcs | Dewi: I don't have the mouse working in the console |
| 07:46.53 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: screen's clipboard is better anyway |
| 07:46.54 | streuner | acad: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 07:46.56 | tonsofpcs | and that still doesn't help me get a file |
| 07:47.48 | liable | MariusX: theres another thing like fixmbr for windows, it ntloader or something, maybe you want to try that, it will wipe the mbr, but then you can just re-install grub again once windows is fixed |
| 07:48.00 | acad | streuner if only it were that easy- :( i don't have access to the physical system |
| 07:48.15 | valdyn | !lose acad |
| 07:48.16 | dpkg | acad: You Lose. |
| 07:48.27 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: write it to /tmp/screen-exchange, then press ctrl-a, '<' |
| 07:48.33 | acad | :( i can reinstall- & reboot, thats it |
| 07:48.39 | streuner | acad: mail somebody who has access to that box or phone him? |
| 07:48.43 | tonsofpcs | hmmm, let me try that, 1 sec |
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| 07:49.12 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: I knew there was a way to get files into screen's buffer :) |
| 07:49.13 | liable | acad: what if you 'telinit 1' ? |
| 07:49.16 | acad | streuner it's easier to reinstall :( which i can do, but i just wasted 3 hours |
| 07:49.18 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: then you use ctrl-a, ']' to paste |
| 07:49.25 | Dewi | hello there |
| 07:49.33 | Dewi | ... for example |
| 07:49.35 | Dewi | heh |
| 07:49.43 | streuner | acad: well, it depends, how much do you have to pay that somebody would do it? |
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| 07:50.08 | acad | strenuer, i didn't understnad that |
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| 07:50.30 | streuner | acad: the box is a remote server? |
| 07:50.32 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: you can also paste from screen to a file by using the other direction, |
| 07:50.35 | Dewi | '>' |
| 07:50.52 | acad | streuner correct |
| 07:51.13 | streuner | acad: and support costs money..., well i would just reinstall then... |
| 07:51.27 | tonsofpcs | it doesn't paste in well |
| 07:51.38 | tonsofpcs | it's making lynx go berserk |
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| 07:52.14 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: was lynx in text entry mode? |
| 07:52.15 | acad | streuner actually- its not that it costs money, its that what support i have is bad- real bad. it's quicker to just reload. i just reinstalled it a few hours ago and was in the proccess of securing the box.. having not done it, i messed up. |
| 07:52.29 | tonsofpcs | Dewi: yes, but the file contains ^I i think ;) |
| 07:52.29 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: incidentally, it might be useful to try "links" or "elinks". They have newer functionality |
| 07:52.34 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: oh. :) |
| 07:52.41 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: that's always awful |
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| 07:53.10 | tonsofpcs | I still need some online readback method that will create a delay between lines though |
| 07:53.38 | Arafangion | acad: What are we talking about? |
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| 07:54.19 | martina | Can anyone recommend a good application to remind me to do things? I've looked at gtodo and at email-reminder, but they both have their problems. Are there any others I should try? |
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| 07:54.32 | streuner | hm |
| 07:54.54 | roxy_ | liable: hi, I solved my networking problem. It was just eth0 / eth1 name change . |
| 07:54.57 | Arafangion | martina: Ultimately it boils down to discipline to check. |
| 07:55.03 | tonsofpcs | martina: an alarm clock |
| 07:55.26 | acad | Arafangion: not being able to reset/recreate the root account after i deleted it because it is a remote virtal server- and it would take too long to have somebody else fix it |
| 07:55.33 | Arafangion | martina: korganizer, perhaps. |
| 07:55.43 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: well, if you paste at irssi you it will probably flood-protect you. |
| 07:55.47 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: not in here though |
| 07:55.59 | Arafangion | acad: Why or how did you delete it ;) |
| 07:56.08 | martina | Arafangion, Thanks. I'll check it out. |
| 07:56.26 | acad | Arafangion: it was easy- sudo deluser root [enter] |
| 07:56.34 | Arafangion | Hahaha. |
| 07:56.40 | Arafangion | Sorry, I shouldn't laugh. |
| 07:56.46 | Dewi | acad: no sudoers? |
| 07:56.48 | acad | Arafangion: didn't realize that would result in messing up sudoer |
| 07:56.56 | Dewi | acad: oh, does it? nasty. |
| 07:57.02 | Arafangion | acad: Are you able to boot particular images remotedly? |
| 07:57.03 | acad | Dewi i have sudoers setup but it gives me an error now |
| 07:57.17 | acad | Arafangion: i don't think so |
| 07:57.25 | Arafangion | acad: Hmm, can you use sudo? |
| 07:57.30 | tonsofpcs | Dewi: well I have a few files for rules in a channel I run on a different network and I want to be able to quickly pipe them to people who break them (just the rule they broke) |
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| 07:58.25 | liable | roxy_: oh, wow. something so simple.. :) cool. |
| 07:58.26 | acad | Arafangion: if i do sudo now i get the error "sudo: no passwd entry for root!" |
| 07:58.26 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: maybe set some macros for them in irssi |
| 07:58.35 | Dewi | tonsofpcs: or get a dpkg-like bot |
| 07:58.50 | Arafangion | acad: Got any local daemons running as root? |
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| 07:59.21 | acad | Arafangion - almost said yes, apache, but that wouldn't be running as root now i think of it |
| 07:59.31 | Arafangion | No, that usually runs as www-data |
| 07:59.38 | acad | Arafangion: right, |
| 07:59.43 | Dewi | acad: well, I think you've well and truly locked yourself out. |
| 07:59.52 | Dewi | acad: if you manage to get back in, you have a security hole on your hands |
| 08:00.00 | acad | Dewi - yep, on any other system i had access to this would be a simple fi |
| 08:00.15 | acad | Dewi well, i haven't secure the machine yet |
| 08:00.42 | acad | if php were running as root i'd be able to something about this isssue |
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| 08:03.02 | sparr | can anyone point me to a website that uses navigational <link>s (properly)? preferably most or all of them. |
| 08:04.20 | Arafangion | Dewi: I suggest you get root back, at all costs. |
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| 08:04.40 | Arafangion | Dewi: Don't put up with just user access (It is possible to live without root) |
| 08:04.42 | Dewi | Arafangion: it's acad :) |
| 08:04.50 | Arafangion | Oh, sorry! |
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| 08:08.36 | Arafangion | Woody :) |
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| 08:10.59 | Lunfix | hi all |
| 08:11.07 | Lunfix | is there any online people ? |
| 08:11.17 | tonsofpcs | no |
| 08:11.18 | tonsofpcs | never |
| 08:11.22 | Lunfix | :) |
| 08:11.28 | Lunfix | tonsofpcs : hi |
| 08:11.31 | tonsofpcs | hi |
| 08:11.36 | Lunfix | i have a problem .. |
| 08:11.43 | MaRX-Mode | so do i... |
| 08:11.54 | Lunfix | i want to learn exit status on debian ... |
| 08:12.01 | Lunfix | do you know it .. |
| 08:12.12 | MaRX-Mode | what do you mean by that? |
| 08:12.12 | Arafangion | Lunfix: It's a number that the program returns to the shell. |
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| 08:12.32 | Lunfix | Arafangion: how to show it ? |
| 08:12.40 | Lunfix | which command .. ? |
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| 08:12.54 | Arafangion | Lunfix: echo #? |
| 08:12.55 | Arafangion | I think. |
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| 08:13.38 | MariusX | valdyn: this is my partition table. is this set up correctly? http://authors.aspalliance.com/aylar/ViewPasteCode.aspx?PasteCodeID=5694 |
| 08:13.40 | Lunfix | Arafangion: it is not working .. |
| 08:13.41 | Arafangion | Lunfix: That works in bash, maybe sh, and perhaps perl. |
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| 08:14.52 | Arafangion | http://rafb.net/paste/results/wGcHgi31.html |
| 08:14.52 | Lunfix | Arafangion: now you think .. i started binary a file so i want to learn exit status |
| 08:15.33 | Arafangion | Lunfix: What program is this "binary"? |
| 08:15.56 | Lunfix | Arafangion : i writed .. |
| 08:16.06 | tarzeau | !writed |
| 08:16.14 | Lunfix | yes |
| 08:16.42 | Lunfix | tarzeau: Are you turk.. |
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| 08:16.46 | tarzeau | Lunfix: no |
| 08:17.04 | Lunfix | why did you write your status gürkan .. |
| 08:17.05 | Arafangion | Lunfix: There is no such word as "writed", perhaps you mean "wrote", in any case, after running your program, the exit status should be stored in the ? variable. |
| 08:17.11 | tarzeau | Lunfix: that's my name |
| 08:17.17 | tarzeau | Lunfix: but i sold my turkish passport |
| 08:17.23 | Arafangion | Lunfix: Oh, it's $?, not #? |
| 08:17.38 | Lunfix | your name gürkan but you arent turk :) |
| 08:17.42 | tarzeau | Lunfix: yes |
| 08:17.43 | Arafangion | Lunfix: My mistake. The paste should make it absolutely clear. |
| 08:18.01 | Lunfix | but gürkan is a turkish name |
| 08:18.02 | Lunfix | :D |
| 08:18.07 | tarzeau | Lunfix: yes but i'm not turkish |
| 08:18.38 | Lunfix | tarzeau: Who named you by gürkan ? |
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| 08:18.46 | tarzeau | Lunfix: parents of course? |
| 08:18.58 | Lunfix | Have you ever been in turkey.. ? |
| 08:19.03 | tarzeau | Lunfix: many times |
| 08:19.18 | Lunfix | Can you speak in turkish ? |
| 08:19.24 | tarzeau | Lunfix: a bit, yes |
| 08:19.33 | Lunfix | :) |
| 08:19.36 | Lunfix | me to |
| 08:19.44 | Lunfix | türkiye çok güzel :D |
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| 08:19.56 | tarzeau | Lunfix: puahaha, sen nerelisin? |
| 08:20.28 | Lunfix | i dont understand you .. just i learn two words .. |
| 08:20.36 | Lunfix | türkiye çok güzel .. |
| 08:20.45 | tarzeau | Lunfix: where do you live? |
| 08:21.08 | cat | how can i installed qt headers |
| 08:21.10 | cat | >? |
| 08:21.24 | Lunfix | türküm bende tarzeau kardeþ þaka yapiom |
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| 08:21.32 | Lunfix | sen bu exit status olayýný biliyormusun çç |
| 08:21.40 | tarzeau | !tr |
| 08:21.40 | dpkg | from memory, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
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| 08:22.26 | tarzeau | Lunfix: tr'daglara hic gidiyormusun, kar durum nasil? |
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| 08:24.47 | power1 | Whats the command to see Motherboard bios information under linux?? |
| 08:25.06 | tarzeau | power1: lshw and hwinfo are nice commands |
| 08:25.21 | Arafangion | NOW, you guys may speak in unicode. |
| 08:25.36 | tonsofpcs | ¤t? |
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| 08:27.41 | avaruus_ | hi... i just broke my x - in testing. i was installing xdm and needed to update before that. didn't realize that things went from 6.9 to 7, nor that it would mess things up |
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| 08:29.55 | zerohero | hello! i've been having this weird problem with my debian install, when i reboot the font sizes might be really screwed up. ie a 12pt font might be huge or tiny, it differs from boot too boot. |
| 08:30.01 | zerohero | anyone know about that? |
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| 08:30.25 | cat | zerohero, apt-get remove xfonts-100dpi |
| 08:30.52 | zerohero | cat: ok? |
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| 08:32.29 | zerohero | cat: if i do that it wants to remove xorg and x-window-system-core as well |
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| 08:33.21 | zerohero | oh |
| 08:33.25 | zerohero | cat: if i do that it wants to remove xorg and x-window-system-core as well |
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| 08:34.16 | Lunfix | tarzeau : yes i go to mountain in turkey anyway i writed english because of the channel .. |
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| 08:34.37 | Lunfix | tarzeau: Are you student .. |
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| 08:35.38 | cahoot | zerohero: don't remove fonts, try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 08:35.56 | avaruus | my problem above was related to configurations and symlinks pointing to wrong X executable. is there supposed to be /usr/bin/X or Xorg in testing? |
| 08:36.33 | zerohero | cahoot: ok, i'll see if that works, thanks |
| 08:36.39 | avaruus | X seems to work now |
| 08:36.44 | tarzeau | Lunfix: with snow? which mountains? no i'm not student |
| 08:37.49 | avaruus | though can't really test it, installing ati-drivers first |
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| 08:39.00 | Lunfix | tarzeau: karadeniz mountains ... :D |
| 08:39.14 | Lunfix | Do you like it ... |
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| 08:45.14 | redblades | Umm... Hi I was here before, and I asked how I could upgrade to nvidia-kernel-1.0.8762 |
| 08:45.30 | redblades | Unfortunantely, I did not see if I recieved an answer or not |
| 08:45.53 | redblades | I was away from my computer |
| 08:45.59 | Alam_Debian | i would uninstall the debian package |
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| 08:47.49 | redblades | Alam_Debian, are you talking to me? |
| 08:48.05 | redblades | How can I uninstall the debian package!? |
| 08:48.06 | Alam_Debian | yes |
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| 08:48.50 | redblades | Alam_Debian, ??? |
| 08:48.52 | Alam_Debian | i had to remove it, upgrade, then use nvidia's .run with some parm |
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| 08:49.17 | redblades | Hmm... I don't know I think I'll find another way |
| 08:49.17 | Alam_Debian | i think I was on wiki.debian.org |
| 08:49.24 | Alam_Debian | apt-get remove <package> |
| 08:49.46 | vsnb | Hello! Point me to the manual on how to set localization up, please |
| 08:49.47 | redblades | No, I mean, there has to be a better way to do it |
| 08:50.16 | vsnb | it seems that my google skill sucks yet |
| 08:50.48 | Alam_Debian | unless you want to try to make your own debain packages and wasted a night without sleep(yes, I losted sleep over this), be my guest |
| 08:51.49 | redblades | That's not an issue |
| 08:52.01 | Alam_Debian | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7?highlight=(xorg)#head-6487522167fb024609e6b3cdf5f25a2969697fff <- just in case |
| 08:53.56 | nnod | can i load a framebuffer module from /etc/modules or is that too late in the boot process? |
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| 08:59.43 | DerJamster | nnod: I'm not sure when the initrd gets loaded. Could be okay, could cause you to miss messages. try it :> |
| 09:01.15 | nnod | DerJamster: I just want to make sure no other framebuffer module gets loaded first. right now vga16fb gets loaded by default |
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| 09:09.42 | pinucset_ | one thing, I've compiled my kernel 2.6.16.19 and then I've installed nvidia drivers with sh Nvidia... --x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules it works and i can see the nvidia module with lsmod. But if I reboot it doesn't works and i should reinstall the drivers. If I add nvidia in /etc/modules either dont work |
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| 09:11.22 | berkes | is there some way to find uot what packages are "unused"? I cannot think of any, because "unused" is rather fuzzy :-) |
| 09:12.05 | berkes | But I'd love to clean out my system, by removing paachages that were installed because of dependencies, but where that "parent" no longer exists. |
| 09:12.16 | berkes | most of them are lib-foo packages. |
| 09:12.52 | opqdonut | hmm |
| 09:12.55 | sng | berkes: deborphan and debfoster. |
| 09:12.59 | RichiH | does anyone else have the problem that dist-upgrading sid would remove kdelibs-bin? aptitude wants to remove it too, but it does not show a reason |
| 09:13.07 | RichiH | which.. sucks ;) |
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| 09:13.27 | berkes | sng: thanks. Will look at that. Great. I had a good feeling I was not the only one with this issue ;) |
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| 09:14.54 | EvilDin | hm why did apache2 shutdown [Sun Jun 11 06:30:45 2006] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 09:15.21 | EvilDin | and now i can't start sth because of port already in use |
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| 09:15.46 | RichiH | EvilDin: because someone sent it a TERM signal |
| 09:15.50 | EvilDin | how |
| 09:15.52 | RichiH | man kill |
| 09:15.54 | EvilDin | is it possible |
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| 09:16.50 | berkes | EvilDin: or "something" sent it a kill. Do you have any monitoring scripts? Apps taht monitor runaway processess, e.g.? |
| 09:17.00 | EvilDin | is that again some bug in linux |
| 09:17.04 | EvilDin | no nothing |
| 09:17.14 | EvilDin | funny is that everything else works |
| 09:17.30 | EvilDin | mysql, ssh, ... |
| 09:17.32 | yang | Is there a m68k port channel ? |
| 09:17.38 | ak70 | Hi, I have a problem when upgrading any gnome related programs such as gthumb, gnome-meida. |
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| 09:17.51 | ak70 | it says "ImportError: No module named shutil" |
| 09:17.55 | aa | On my debian etch system I'm trying to enable OSS emulation under ALSA. I understand there are a few modules that I want loading but /etc/modules.conf has dire warnings against editing directly and the manpage it directs you to (update-modules) has more warnings about it being a deprecated command I shouldn't use. Can anyone advise where module alias's should now go? |
| 09:18.10 | ak70 | does anyone have the same problem |
| 09:18.21 | valdyn | aa: to load modules automatically you add them to /etc/modules |
| 09:18.41 | valdyn | aa: and /etc/modules.conf is autogenerated, it's not supposed to be edited |
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| 09:19.02 | valdyn | aa: uname -r |
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| 09:19.49 | ak70 | it seems that something wrong with gconf |
| 09:20.16 | aa | valdyn: great. that's exactly what I was looking for. The ALSA official docs point towards /etc/modules.conf but it seems this is now out-of-date? Or is this a debian-specific thing? |
| 09:20.23 | aa | valdyn: 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 09:20.27 | valdyn | aa: both |
| 09:20.37 | valdyn | aa: you can put aliases into /etc/modprobe.d/ then |
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| 09:20.58 | slackbr | can i install debian |
| 09:21.05 | slackbr | can i install debian with only the frist cd ? |
| 09:21.09 | SlayerXP | slackbr: yes. |
| 09:21.13 | aa | valdyn: and that's a better solution? Do I just create a file in there and stick the lines into it? |
| 09:21.22 | valdyn | aa: yea |
| 09:21.40 | slackbr | SlayerXP, The X server and X apps are on the frist CD ? |
| 09:22.05 | valdyn | aa: in your special case i dont see much point in using aliases, but if you do that or edit /etc/modules is up to you entirely |
| 09:22.16 | SlayerXP | slackbr: if you have internet access during the installation process then you may as well pull down the current versions |
| 09:22.33 | aa | valdyn: just to check- the ALSA docs (http://www.alsa-project.org/~iwai/OSS-Emulation.html) list five entries to add to the modules(.conf). Are these still correct for my kernel? |
| 09:22.48 | SlayerXP | slackbr: if you don't have internet access you may need CDs 2 and/or 3 depending on what you choose to install. |
| 09:23.01 | valdyn | aa: alsaconf should add that at the right place |
| 09:23.09 | slackbr | SlayerXP, but the X server is on the frist cd ? |
| 09:23.15 | SlayerXP | slackbr: pass. |
| 09:23.23 | slackbr | pass ? |
| 09:23.28 | slackbr | wait i will translate |
| 09:23.36 | valdyn | aa: more /etc/modules/alsa-base |
| 09:23.37 | SlayerXP | slackbr: as in "I don't know the answer to that question" |
| 09:23.44 | yang | i guess that linux-m68k is preety dead, also no updates for sarge... |
| 09:23.47 | slackbr | ah ok :D |
| 09:23.47 | valdyn | aa: more /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base even |
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| 09:24.24 | slackbr | any one know if the X server is on the frist cd ? |
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| 09:24.36 | formorer | it is |
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| 09:24.42 | valdyn | aa: and create a custom file for your own stuff that isnt covered by alsa-base |
| 09:24.46 | aa | valdyn: it definitely hasn't: /etc/modules/alsa-base: Not a directory |
| 09:24.55 | aa | valdyn: oh, hang on. |
| 09:25.01 | EdLin | slackbr: you mean "first", "frist" is the name of a republican politician |
| 09:25.05 | slackbr | formorer, and the "minimal install" 180mb version have the X Server ? |
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| 09:25.16 | formorer | no |
| 09:25.20 | aa | valdyn: same: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base: No such file or directory |
| 09:25.26 | valdyn | !alsa |
| 09:25.27 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://alsa-project.org/ |
| 09:25.27 | sussudio | !fist EdLin |
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| 09:25.33 | valdyn | !alsa-checklist |
| 09:25.34 | dpkg | methinks alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 09:25.45 | bartden | hi, does anyone here know how i can print a pdf , it seems that printing it is disabled (some security option i guess) |
| 09:25.55 | EdLin | !slap dpkg |
| 09:25.56 | slackbr | EdLin, tkz :D |
| 09:26.14 | valdyn | aa: you havent set up alsa yet ( or not even installed the debian packages), its not required, but recommended over your own custom config files |
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| 09:27.45 | valdyn | aa: fyi, skip reading that wiki dpkg listed above, its outdated and partially misleading |
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| 09:28.01 | valdyn | aa: that alsa-base file is in the package alsa-base |
| 09:28.08 | aa | Valdyn: To clarify on the situation I have sound working fine for ALSA-supporting applications. But I have some elderly apps which won't support it and need OSS. Modprobing in the modules seems to help for one session but I want them to survive a reboot. |
| 09:28.24 | EdLin | aa: add them to /etc/modules |
| 09:28.49 | aa | valdyn: I have a default etch install. I haven't had to (or wanted to) do any custom configuration so far. |
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| 09:29.20 | valdyn | aa: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 09:29.27 | aa | valdyn: is my ALSA setup incomplete in some way? should it automatically have that modules file and OSS support? |
| 09:30.07 | siplex | I want to install the mozilla-mplayer package for testing but it depends on packages that are not in the mirrors. Where can I found these packages? |
| 09:30.16 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 09:30.17 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:31.14 | aa | valdyn: strange. it didn't seem to have either of those & wants to install one other: alsa-base alsa-utils linux-sound-base ... but i swear sound is working! |
| 09:31.34 | valdyn | aa: yea, not strange |
| 09:32.01 | aa | valdyn: i guess all the actual alsa code is in the kernel & those are tools around it? |
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| 09:33.34 | vsnb | Hello again! Where can i read about localization process? |
| 09:34.14 | valdyn | aa: alsa is kernel drivers + libasound, that is technically suffiecient for applications, provided modules get loaded by hotplug/discover or manually. alsa-base and alsa-utils provide /etc/modprobe.d/ scripts, alsaconf, aplay,arecord |
| 09:34.14 | aa | valdyn: do I need a reboot for this stuff to take effect? |
| 09:34.46 | aa | valdyn: ah, I see. interesting. |
| 09:34.54 | grendal_prime | probably not |
| 09:35.00 | valdyn | aa: and the /etc/init.d/alsa script that is used for storing volume settings and for suspend to disk |
| 09:35.42 | valdyn | aa: linux-sound-base is to switch between oss and alsa, which includes blacklisting OSS modules when you want to use alsa |
| 09:37.32 | aa | valdyn: well I'm glad to have got all that installed now. the file you were asking about above has appeared & ALSA still works. Unf OSS still hasn't come up. Do I need a reboot? |
| 09:37.48 | valdyn | aa: nope |
| 09:38.12 | valdyn | aa: just 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss' |
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| 09:39.07 | aa | valdyn: it returns: FATAL: Error inserting snd_pcm_oss (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-486/kernel/sound/core/oss/snd-pcm-oss.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 09:39.30 | skipmeister | I just destroyed my MBR by trying to install another distro on a USB drive. How do I recover my original boot image? |
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| 09:39.44 | aa | valdyn: dmesg is: snd_pcm_oss: Unknown parameter `snd-mixer-oss' |
| 09:39.59 | valdyn | aa: uh, sorry, have to modprobe those 2 individually |
| 09:40.10 | dimir | vsnb: http://www.chennailug.org/wiki/HowTo_Gettext |
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| 09:40.59 | aa | valdyn: done. not sure I understand why it didn't like starting them in one command! |
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| 09:41.25 | hocus | hi why kopete "sees" my webcam and gnome meeting no ? |
| 09:41.56 | valdyn | aa: all should be ok now, you could add those 2 modules to /etc/modules to load them next reboot, not certain if that is required |
| 09:42.13 | aa | valdyn: fabulous- it works! XMMS will output to OSS or ALSA happily. |
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| 09:43.33 | aa | valdyn: i'll have a reboot later on & see if it needs the modules added. Hopefully the packages do all that sort of config automagically. |
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| 09:43.39 | redblades | Speaking of XMMS, although ti is supposed to be able to use WinAmp Skins, I can't seem to do anything witht the compressed files that are downloaded from Winamp |
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| 09:44.21 | aa | valdyn: is it strange that those three packages weren't installed on a default fresh desktop install? should I be reporting a bug somewhere? |
| 09:44.22 | redblades | Heh never mind |
| 09:44.47 | mythicness | how do i execute a .run |
| 09:45.04 | hocus | hi why kopete "sees" my webcam and gnome meeting no ? |
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| 09:46.34 | mythicness | hocus, maybe check what device they are trying to use? |
| 09:46.43 | mythicness | ur webcam would prolly be /dev/video1 |
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| 09:47.15 | hocus | i'm suing spca5xx as driver i dunno if it's using /dev/vide0 or /dev/video1 |
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| 09:47.24 | deadcat | which arch will only be supported in the future? i dont remember.. i am looking at an ARM arch product |
| 09:47.30 | mythicness | why dont u test it using a proggie |
| 09:47.40 | mythicness | think there was one called xvtv or something that can do it |
| 09:47.58 | mythicness | xawtv i think it was called actually |
| 09:48.05 | deadcat | camerama or camorama |
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| 09:48.25 | deadcat | camorama - gnome2 tool to view, alter and save images from a webcam |
| 09:48.57 | vsnb | dimir, i'm afraid that's not enough for me |
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| 09:49.15 | djcs | would anyone be available for a debian / hardware question? |
| 09:50.43 | hocus | i'm now installing camorama btw the camer works fine in kopet |
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| 09:51.06 | aa | djcs: just ask your question. it probably depends on exactly what hardware you are asking about. if you are more specific & someone knows your setup they will help. |
| 09:51.17 | valdyn | aa: not strange, debian doesn't install much at all by default |
| 09:51.21 | hocus | and i camorama too |
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| 09:51.58 | djcs | thanx aa, i have a msi 945 p motherboard and i am really struggling with the speed of my hard drive running on the pata ich7 from the motherboard. |
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| 09:52.23 | valdyn | aa: more useful would be a wishlist bug against tasksel to add a task for sound support, if that doesnt exist yet |
| 09:52.24 | EvilDin | guys why debian is restarting apache2 with logrotate? at me happen that server didnt restart well and it shuted down |
| 09:52.40 | djcs | my 1 ghz p3 beats my 3 ghz ht in boot ups cause the hardrive is working properly in my 1 ghz machine. |
| 09:52.52 | aa | valdyn: ok. in that case I'll just be happy that I know the magic which gets it all running! and, in fact, I'll log onto my parents machine and get it running. I think they need OSS for skype. |
| 09:53.10 | valdyn | aa: yea, skype needs OSS |
| 09:53.33 | sonium | I know this is not the hardware channel. But does someone know if I can put a P4 with 800mhz FSB in a 533Mhz FSB mainboard? The Sockets would be the same. |
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| 09:54.06 | debian | sonium: I guess you've the manual of the motherboard right? |
| 09:54.21 | valdyn | sonium: that should work, but that cpu might not run full speed |
| 09:54.23 | aa | valdyn: hmm. I'll check it out and see if such a bug exists. at any rate thanks for all your help & info around alsa. |
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| 09:54.57 | sonium | valdyn: this means the speed will be 533/800 ? |
| 09:55.08 | djcs | should i be asking my question in the hardware channel? |
| 09:55.25 | ootput | any of you know the name of the tool that allows one to change gnome icons? |
| 09:55.55 | hocus | so the camer works fine in kopete,camorama and camstream , why don't in gnomemeeting ? |
| 09:56.19 | pum` | hey all, how can I append a file as an attachment to the commandline "mail" ? |
| 09:56.26 | valdyn | sonium: 800x4 is 2400 mhz, 533x4 is just ~2140 |
| 09:57.04 | sonium | but there are 2,66 Ghz P4 with 533mhz |
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| 09:57.30 | valdyn | sonium: 533x5 would overclock your P4 |
| 09:57.49 | aa | djcs: yep, if there doesn't seem to be anyone available here who can help with your specifc setup you could ask around elsewhere. It might be worth checking back here later as people join/leave all the time and the mix of experience changes all the time. |
| 09:57.50 | valdyn | sonium: assuming its a 2.4ghz cpu |
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| 09:58.09 | djcs | ok, thanks aa |
| 09:58.34 | SquareGuy | what is a command that list all local users of a system, not just those logged in |
| 09:58.46 | SlayerXP | SquareGuy: cat /etc/passwd |
| 09:59.02 | SquareGuy | SlayerXP, thanks |
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| 10:00.02 | Shorty` | sonium: it'll likely work, but you'll underclock it |
| 10:00.23 | sonium | so the prozessors speed will be below its specifications? |
| 10:00.34 | Shorty` | and it'll be multiplier locked, so you're likely to be stuck at that speed, unless you overclock the FSB and that's just asking for stupidity. :) |
| 10:00.38 | sonium | as the multiplicator is locket |
| 10:00.48 | Shorty` | *nod* |
| 10:00.57 | Shorty` | I can't say i've done it with that particular processor before |
| 10:01.02 | Shorty` | but that's my best guess |
| 10:01.07 | sonium | so, this will be just a waste of money |
| 10:01.58 | valdyn | sonium: its not like that at all, those few CPU mhz might not change as much as reducing your fsb speed |
| 10:02.02 | sonium | I wanted to have a prozessor using hyperthreading, but all of them have FSB800 which my MB doesn't support. So actually it a quite useless feature of the MB supporting HT |
| 10:02.39 | valdyn | sonium: not like p4 scale linearily with mhz |
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| 10:03.13 | valdyn | sonium: ht is also not very useful on linux |
| 10:03.32 | sonium | it's for my little brother who runs winxp |
| 10:03.51 | sonium | so. HT is not that killer feature |
| 10:04.16 | valdyn | sonium: HT can tremendiously improve responsivenenss on windows because that OS has such a shitty task scheduling, not so on linux |
| 10:04.58 | callee | what partition type shall i use if i also want some BSD like freebsd/netbsd/openbsd to read that partition? |
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| 10:05.09 | callee | windows doesnt need to read it at all |
| 10:05.16 | callee | so just linux and bsd |
| 10:05.32 | valdyn | callee: i know linux can read bsd slices, i dont know hat bsd can read |
| 10:05.35 | sonium | so I will by an ordinary non HT P4 |
| 10:05.50 | valdyn | sonium: mainboards really are cheap |
| 10:06.01 | valdyn | sonium: 65 euro? |
| 10:06.07 | sonium | no 30Eur |
| 10:06.14 | callee | valdyn: well, i want both to use them flexible, only for data exchange though |
| 10:06.19 | sonium | just found I nice one on ebay |
| 10:06.32 | sonium | I can build a really good PC for about 250Eur |
| 10:06.44 | sonium | beeing able to play WoW at good settings |
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| 10:09.59 | MariusX | is there any way to mount a fat partition as writable in debian? |
| 10:10.09 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 10:10.10 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
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| 10:10.21 | aboyousif | hi, any one know how to make pwr management always on in debian etch + xfce ? |
| 10:10.22 | valdyn | MariusX: that's the default |
| 10:10.48 | aboyousif | i don't want my pc to go blank after some time when i'm away |
| 10:11.03 | valdyn | !dpms |
| 10:11.04 | dpkg | well, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 10:11.33 | valdyn | aboyousif: sounds like you really want to switch power saving OFF |
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| 10:12.43 | MariusX | valdyn: so with this what do I need to add to make the partition writable? |
| 10:12.47 | MariusX | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.56 | aboyousif | valdyn, yes i think so :) .. |
| 10:13.00 | valdyn | MariusX: you really mean 'user writable' |
| 10:13.06 | valdyn | MariusX: why dont you read what dpkg said? |
| 10:13.38 | valdyn | aboyousif: see what dpkg said about dpms |
| 10:13.45 | aboyousif | valdyn, xset dpms off ? |
| 10:13.46 | aboyousif | yes |
| 10:14.01 | valdyn | aboyousif: yea |
| 10:14.35 | aboyousif | valdyn, xset : unknwon option off |
| 10:16.03 | valdyn | aboyousif: xset -dpms |
| 10:16.30 | aboyousif | valdyn, this will remove the dpms feature |
| 10:16.39 | valdyn | aboyousif: correct |
| 10:17.37 | aboyousif | valdyn, i tried xset dpms force off and it works now .. thanks :) |
| 10:18.11 | sonium | another hardware question that I always wanted to ask: If you have two RAM modules, is this faster than having only one? Does this behave like a Raid 1 system? |
| 10:18.52 | valdyn | sonium: in a way, assuming you have a mainboard and cpu supporting dual-channel ram |
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| 10:19.30 | valdyn | sonium: i dont recall any p4 supporting that though |
| 10:19.41 | MariusX | valdyn: should the user ID and User group be my linux user I log in with and the Users Group? |
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| 10:20.22 | sonium | than I think this is more a server class feature. Maybe Xeons support this |
| 10:20.55 | valdyn | sonium: no |
| 10:21.32 | valdyn | sonium: this is mainly supported by amd cpus |
| 10:21.47 | valdyn | sonium: and by core duo cpus |
| 10:22.07 | Vasistha | MariusX: those params should work |
| 10:22.14 | MariusX | ok. thanks |
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| 10:22.52 | MariusX | and do I need to restart the debian install for the changes? |
| 10:23.01 | valdyn | sonium: intel cpus dont have a memory controller at all |
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| 10:23.56 | valdyn | sonium: pentiums cpus even |
| 10:25.10 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 10:25.11 | Pupeno | Is it possible to build a package that is maintained with svn-buildpackage without commiting the changes before building ? I get the message: "E: found unresolved issues: M debian/erlang-base.links.in E: Resolve them manually before continueing" when I run svn-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot. |
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| 10:33.01 | redblades | How do I unzip .wal files? |
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| 10:36.15 | Vasistha | redblades: never heard of it, but you could always try ark or some other gui tool |
| 10:37.05 | liable | Pupeno: try #debian-mentors if no one answers |
| 10:40.06 | ma3x | how do I detect the audio codec of a DVD? |
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| 10:42.10 | ma3x | heh is everybody idle? |
| 10:42.17 | liable | ma3x: mplayer -v will tell you, if you use mplayer. |
| 10:42.24 | ma3x | lemme try |
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| 10:43.54 | ma3x | liable, mplayer -v /dev/hdc doesn't show anything useful |
| 10:45.07 | liable | ma3x: you need to play the file, not the cd drive |
| 10:45.24 | ma3x | okay |
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| 10:47.12 | CAiRO | when i try to mount a floppy disk it always get "/dev/fd/0 ist not a block device" but with a win98 boot cd i have no problem accessing the floppy drive |
| 10:47.23 | CAiRO | what could be the problem? filesystem modules are loaded |
| 10:48.40 | Craigevil | are you using /dev/fd0? |
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| 10:49.14 | ma3x | liable, this you mean: Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm: mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3)? |
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| 10:49.45 | LewisNetworks | Hi, do you know IP over DNS, nstx debian packet please ? i search a tutorial for use it (dns server, server, client) |
| 10:49.52 | rvalles | hey |
| 10:49.56 | rvalles | to know the "memory map" of a process |
| 10:49.59 | rvalles | what command was it? |
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| 10:50.11 | liable | ma3x: thats the sound, there should be a similar one for the video further down |
| 10:50.38 | ma3x | liable, I want to find out about the sound, if it's ac3 or mp2 |
| 10:50.40 | liable | ma3x: Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4) |
| 10:50.55 | ma3x | liable, I have 2 DVDs and the one should be ac3 the other should be mp2, and they both seem the same! |
| 10:50.55 | liable | ma3x: oh, then its mp3 ny the looks of it. |
| 10:51.25 | ma3x | that's not possible |
| 10:51.26 | liable | ma3x: hrm, paste the output |
| 10:51.30 | ma3x | maybe that's just the output of mplayer |
| 10:51.31 | ma3x | hold on |
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| 10:52.55 | CAiRO | Craigevil: /dev/fd0 doesn't exist, i thought it was renamed to /dev/fd/0 sometime with this udev stuff |
| 10:53.04 | ma3x | liable, here the first dvd |
| 10:53.08 | Slart_ | does anyone know how I can use the connected display on a debian-machine but control it using a remote keyboard... like ssh but I want the output on the local display |
| 10:53.13 | ma3x | liable, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2807 |
| 10:53.42 | Craigevil | Cairo try cat /etc/fstab |
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| 10:54.30 | jolly_ | is it possbile to have two versions of gcc installed? currently I have 4x installed but a program i want to install require to have gcc 3.5 installed |
| 10:54.38 | jolly_ | or will i fuck up my system if i try? |
| 10:54.40 | CAiRO | Craigevil: hmm, it's not there, i've my own fstab file, i think i might have missed a kernel option that is necessary, i just don't know which i need |
| 10:54.43 | ma3x | liable, the 2nd one http://channels.debian.net/paste/2808 |
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| 10:55.28 | ma3x | liable, they seem absolutely the same, that's impossible |
| 10:55.40 | CAiRO | when i do cat /proc/devices, it's missing "fd" under block devices |
| 10:55.51 | CAiRO | what kernel option do i have to set to get the fd driver? |
| 10:56.02 | azeem | modprobe floppy, maybe? |
| 10:56.04 | fresch | uh, is user apt a bot? |
| 10:56.11 | azeem | fresch: yes |
| 10:56.20 | CAiRO | ah, finally, i found it :) |
| 10:56.22 | jolly_ | any ideas? |
| 10:56.28 | liable | ma3x: yeah, looks the same to me too. |
| 10:56.33 | fresch | azeem, and does it work like apt? |
| 10:56.36 | liable | ma3x: no idea then. |
| 10:56.37 | LewisNetworks | who know Nstx debian plz ? (ip over dns) |
| 10:56.41 | azeem | fresch: hrm? |
| 10:57.04 | fresch | azeem, apt-cache show, apt-cache search? |
| 10:57.11 | azeem | no |
| 10:57.21 | azeem | well |
| 10:57.27 | azeem | ~info gcc-4.0 |
| 10:57.34 | djcs | Sorry to put this out there again but.. I have a MSI 945 P motherboard with an intel ich7 /945 p chipset. I am running 1 pata udma 100 120 gb hard drive with a 20 gb partition set aside for linux. I cannot seem to get dma mode to work, can anyone help? its so slow. |
| 10:57.45 | djcs | im really struggling with this. |
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| 10:59.42 | MariusX | Thanks ppl. I got windows booting again :D |
| 10:59.51 | MariusX | had to mount the partition in linux and edit the boot.ini and change the partition(1) to partition(2) |
| 11:00.02 | KimmoA | I don't understand why there are two "net installation" ISOs -- shouldn't you just provide the smallest one? I don't see the purpose of having two different ones. |
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| 11:00.51 | falco_toadfoot | trying to install debian via bootp |
| 11:01.00 | falco_toadfoot | but the client machine always says "file not found" |
| 11:01.15 | falco_toadfoot | using tftpd-hpa and dhcpd |
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| 11:01.35 | falco_toadfoot | instructions from the install manual |
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| 11:03.19 | christor | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.54 | ma3x | hey a quick question: when you're in nano, and you have a long line which continues off the screen, how can you switch the screen to the left, I mean how you read the rest of the line? you must always hold -> untill you get to the end of the line? |
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| 11:06.34 | _Hug[o]_ | What does this error mean ""Buffer I/O error on device hdb1" ? |
| 11:07.41 | christor | hard disk in a bad state |
| 11:08.05 | christor | May be an fsck to check it |
| 11:08.53 | amphi | or run smartctl on it - perhaps it's run out of reallocation blocks |
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| 11:12.46 | ma3x | liable, you use pico, nano? |
| 11:13.08 | liable | ma3x: nup, vim. |
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| 11:18.14 | ma3x | liable, you happen to know how to go on the left of the screen in pico? |
| 11:18.24 | servus | Tried the "end" key, ma3x? |
| 11:18.25 | ma3x | like if the line is too long, you see $ on the left |
| 11:18.38 | ma3x | servus but that goes on the end |
| 11:18.48 | ma3x | I want to go exactly where the $ sign is |
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| 11:21.23 | adaran | is there any way to automatically downgrade packages to the latest version available from the current repositories? (or in other words, remove every package not found in a repository?) |
| 11:22.18 | Arafangion | adaran, Absolutely not supported, you will not get any support here. (But read about apt-pinning) |
| 11:23.13 | liable | ma3x: no, sorry |
| 11:23.20 | adaran | Arafangion, aptitude is not supported? could i do the same thing with apt-get? i'm not sure how pinning will help me - i installed a few updates from a "non-official" repository, which i want to take back out. |
| 11:23.49 | Arafangion | adaran, apt pinning |
| 11:24.05 | adaran | Arafangion, ah, okay. |
| 11:24.10 | liable | adaran: cant you just remove those packages? |
| 11:24.35 | adaran | liable, i could. it's only 3 packages or so. i don't even need to because they run pretty will. still i want to be able to do =) |
| 11:24.43 | adaran | *do what i just described |
| 11:24.47 | _Hug[o]_ | amphi, I cannot even run a live cd =/ |
| 11:25.04 | liable | adaran: remove the repo, and use aptitiude |
| 11:25.23 | Arafangion | liable, Doesn't really make a difference if he wants to actually downgrade. |
| 11:25.29 | blondie | is there a "special" way of changing what stuff in /etc/alternatives points to, or should i just change them manually? |
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| 11:25.41 | liable | adaran: or even just use aptitude, it should let you pick a version in interactive mode |
| 11:25.53 | adaran | liable, did. that doesn't downgrade anything =) but I i'm looking for the pinning docs now as Arafangion, i think i just remembered that you can pin by repository |
| 11:25.55 | liable | blondie: update-alternatives |
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| 11:26.18 | Arafangion | adaran, The backports.org faq might give you some hints. |
| 11:26.18 | Aap | hi, i'm learning the basics of linux and have a few questions |
| 11:26.29 | halux | hi all, are there known problems with the xserver-xorg package in unstable ? I get "not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized" |
| 11:26.56 | Aap | i have a user and want to throw him i a group, so as root i do usermod -g krambousers krambo |
| 11:27.01 | halux | This is a binary, I haven't modified it |
| 11:27.16 | Aap | but when i login as krambo and i do "groups" , it's still "users" |
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| 11:28.22 | liable | Aap: adduser foo group |
| 11:28.29 | blondie | "gpasswd -a user group" |
| 11:28.46 | ma3x | how do I press this M-( (M-9) Go to the beginning of the current paragraph |
| 11:28.46 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.53 | ma3x | Is that with CTRL+M ? |
| 11:29.09 | liable | try it |
| 11:29.13 | ma3x | or this one M-D Count the number of words, lines, and characters |
| 11:29.16 | ma3x | well it doesnt work |
| 11:29.17 | Arafangion | ma3x, M is generally the meta key. |
| 11:29.22 | ma3x | what's meta key? |
| 11:29.25 | Arafangion | ma3x, You learning emacs? |
| 11:29.30 | ma3x | Arafangion, pico |
| 11:29.44 | Arafangion | ma3x, left alt is normally setup to emulate meta, afaik. |
| 11:29.53 | ma3x | lemme try |
| 11:29.57 | ma3x | i didnt know that |
| 11:29.57 | adaran | Arafangion, *g the FAQ is 404 =) |
| 11:30.09 | Arafangion | adaran, :) One of the other docs. |
| 11:30.22 | ma3x | Arafangion, exactly, how genius you are. you know what the M is :p |
| 11:30.38 | dpm | does anyone know how to load a specific keyboard map in single user mode? I've got a German keyboard, but by default the layout in single user mode is mapped to a US keyboard. |
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| 11:31.52 | r3tex | how can i find out which package would install glxint.h? |
| 11:32.05 | liable | !tell r3tex about search |
| 11:32.21 | adaran | argh! aptitude doesn't honor apt preferences? |
| 11:33.02 | r3tex | liable, i mean to find files in packages i haven't installed yet |
| 11:33.13 | Arafangion | adaran, Probably not. apt-get and apt-cache are nearly all you need, imho. |
| 11:33.17 | liable | r3tex: yes. read the factoid. use apt-file |
| 11:33.56 | adaran | Arafangion, they miss the most important feature: marking =) |
| 11:34.14 | Arafangion | adaran, What's that? |
| 11:34.16 | adaran | Arafangion, probably the only thing gentoo ever got right =) |
| 11:34.42 | r3tex | liable, ok just install every program first and then check P: |
| 11:34.43 | r3tex | np |
| 11:34.49 | adaran | Arafangion, for example, if i do "aptitude install gaim" and gtk isn't installed, it will install gtk, but mark it as "automatically installed" |
| 11:34.58 | liable | ? |
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| 11:35.06 | adaran | Arafangion, if i then remove gaim, aptitude will check if any other package needs it, if not, it will remove it again |
| 11:35.28 | Arafangion | adaran, Not a bad feature, that. |
| 11:35.39 | Arafangion | adaran, When did gentoo get that? |
| 11:35.43 | adaran | Arafangion, very handy if you, for example, install libsdl1.2-dev or something like that to compile a program - dozens of packages get installed, but once you're done, you can just remove libsdl1.2-dev again |
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| 11:35.54 | adaran | Arafangion, something similiar, they call it the "world file" |
| 11:36.03 | adaran | Arafangion, though you have to run emerge --depclean |
| 11:36.07 | adaran | Arafangion, to get the same effect |
| 11:36.17 | Arafangion | adaran, I used Gentoo in the very early days. |
| 11:36.28 | adaran | Arafangion, me too. back when ebuilds weren't broken =) |
| 11:36.38 | ma3x | Arafangion, genius, I need once more help! I want to know how is called the line untill the next screen. Let's say you don't use wordwrap and you have one line long on 3 screens. Now if you're in vim, you canjust do alt+left and you can read the rest of the line. How do you do this in pico? |
| 11:37.00 | Arafangion | ma3x, pkill pico && vim |
| 11:37.11 | adaran | ma3x, no, don't listen to him |
| 11:37.17 | Arafangion | Damn. |
| 11:37.19 | adaran | ma3x, simply hook up as many monitors you need =) |
| 11:37.24 | ma3x | Arafangion, I mean you can do that (M+< or M+>) in pager |
| 11:37.35 | Arafangion | ma3x, I do everything in screen and vim. |
| 11:37.44 | Arafangion | ma3x, I haven't a clue how pico does things. |
| 11:38.06 | ma3x | Arafangion, you know pager? |
| 11:38.08 | rvsjoen | can apt show the changelog of a package upgrade ? |
| 11:38.14 | rvsjoen | before upgrade |
| 11:38.14 | adaran | Arafangion, instead of a shell, you just use :! ? =) |
| 11:38.18 | Arafangion | ma3x, No. |
| 11:38.23 | ma3x | who knows pager? |
| 11:38.29 | Arafangion | adaran, No, I use ^aa |
| 11:38.31 | ma3x | Arafangion, try pager file.txt |
| 11:38.33 | adaran | ma3x, i use vim as my pager =) |
| 11:38.51 | ma3x | and then if yoy have a 1 long long line, press right and it goes to the right screen where the line continues |
| 11:38.59 | Aap | hi, i have 2 users, i have a directory with a file per user in it. But user1 has to be modify the file of user 2. If user2 creates another file in the dir, user1 has to be able to modify that file. |
| 11:38.59 | ma3x | why is this impossible to do in pico/vim |
| 11:39.22 | Arafangion | Hmm, pager seems to be less |
| 11:39.28 | adaran | ma3x, vim word wraps |
| 11:39.44 | adaran | ma3x, if you switch that off and look up the appropriate keyboard shortcut, you'll get the same effect |
| 11:39.48 | ma3x | adaran, word wrappin sucks sometimes |
| 11:39.49 | Aap | so what i want is: when user2 adds a file, automatically, user1 can modify it. I thought it was with setgid, but i think i'm wrong |
| 11:40.15 | ma3x | adaran, what's the appropriate keyboard shortcut? |
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| 11:40.43 | adaran | ma3x, actually, i'm not sure. i'll look it up, because you got me interested now, too |
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| 11:41.08 | ma3x | heh |
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| 11:41.43 | rvsjoen | :set nowrap and :set wrap will enable/disable wrapping |
| 11:41.53 | liable | adaran: depends if its group writable |
| 11:41.58 | Aap | anyone? |
| 11:42.11 | adaran | ma3x, as rvsjoen said. zH and zL will scroll half a screen |
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| 11:42.26 | liable | Aap: see what i said to adaran |
| 11:42.38 | adaran | ma3x, zs and za will scroll a full screen |
| 11:42.42 | adaran | ma3x, try :help za |
| 11:42.48 | adaran | ma3x, and scroll around =) |
| 11:43.02 | Aap | uh? |
| 11:43.14 | Aap | liable: you said "?" |
| 11:43.14 | ma3x | Adrian, i want to scroll you! |
| 11:43.17 | ma3x | hehe |
| 11:44.17 | adaran | ma3x, or better, try :help scroll |
| 11:44.38 | liable | Aap: no, 6 lines up from when i spoke to you |
| 11:44.48 | Aap | so i just want that when user1 creates a file in a dir, user2 can modify it too. They are in the same group |
| 11:45.04 | Aap | it is group writeable liable |
| 11:45.20 | adaran | Aap, the file needs to be group writable, if it is, all users in that group can write to it |
| 11:45.25 | liable | Aap: has the user logged out and in since being added to the group? |
| 11:45.37 | adaran | Aap, to make it group writable, either chmod or change the umask |
| 11:45.37 | Aap | yes |
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| 11:45.53 | Aap | chmod the dir? |
| 11:45.57 | adaran | Aap, as each user, type in "groups" and see if it lists the correct group |
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| 11:46.23 | Aap | it is |
| 11:46.31 | adaran | Aap, yes, all dirs leading up that dir need to be +x and the dir +w, i *think* |
| 11:46.41 | Aap | so 2770 ? |
| 11:46.42 | adaran | Aap, though +w on a dir should allow creating of files |
| 11:47.37 | Aap | the file is readonly for user2 |
| 11:47.43 | adaran | Aap, dunno, 2710 should suffice, if the user knows the filename, 2750 can't hurt. try 2770 once and see if it changes anything, if not, change back. but before all that, make sure "groups" lists the correct groups for both users - type that in the shell you're using to try it out |
| 11:48.17 | adaran | Aap, $ groups user2 |
| 11:48.32 | Aap | same groups |
| 11:50.08 | dpm | does anyone know how to load a specific keyboard map in single user mode? I've got a German keyboard, but by default the layout in single user mode is mapped to a US keyboard. |
| 11:50.53 | adaran | Aap, and the file has uid user1, gid user 2? |
| 11:50.54 | Aap | http://pastebin.ca/64239 |
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| 11:51.06 | Aap | that is the directory |
| 11:51.46 | adaran | Aap, see if user2 can "touch foo" in that directory |
| 11:51.56 | Aap | he can |
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| 11:52.13 | d4d0 | hi all, OT question: iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -s 0/0 -d <ext.IP> --destination-port 6666 --syn -j ACCEPT - i want to forward all incoming connections on port 80 to the same machine but port 6666. what am i missing? |
| 11:52.14 | Aap | but all files get : -rw-r--r-- |
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| 11:52.44 | Aap | so all the files have to get automatically read + write permissions. I thought that was with setgid |
| 11:53.05 | Arafangion | Aap, Do you know what a umask does? |
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| 11:53.20 | karim | is there a way to set default volumes for OSS sound devices ? |
| 11:53.24 | adaran | Aap, you didn't chmod? i told you to modify the umask... |
| 11:53.45 | Aap | oh |
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| 11:54.52 | Aap | but the umask has to be changed only for that dir then? |
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| 11:54.57 | Aap | not for other dirs? |
| 11:55.08 | bwlang | i can't seem to mount anything on /dev/hda... i get this message mount: /dev/hda2 already mounted or /tmp/foo busy |
| 11:55.21 | bwlang | but it's not mounted (according to mount)... any ideas? |
| 11:55.55 | adaran | Aap, no, you can't do that. |
| 11:56.01 | adaran | Aap, either chmod the files when you create them |
| 11:56.12 | adaran | or set the umask for that user |
| 11:56.28 | adaran | Aap, or start a shell with a different umask when creating files - dunno what you're trying to do |
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| 11:56.36 | Aap | but if i want to add files with let's say ftp, they all have to get the good permissions automatically |
| 11:56.40 | Arafangion | Aap, Is the purpose of this to share a set of files related to a project? |
| 11:56.48 | Aap | yes |
| 11:57.05 | rvsjoen | d4d0: I think that will allow incoming connections on port 6666 to be forwarded... |
| 11:57.05 | Arafangion | Aap, Are they modifying the files collectively as a group? |
| 11:57.20 | Aap | yes |
| 11:57.31 | Arafangion | Aap, Then use version control, it makes things a heck alot easier. |
| 11:57.38 | Arafangion | Aap, I recommend subversion. |
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| 11:58.14 | Aap | but i have exam of linux, and i have to use the teachers methods. so, setgid + chmod + chown +umask |
| 11:58.24 | Arafangion | Aap, Ahh, in that case... |
| 11:58.59 | Arafangion | Aap, You may also want to use the newer form of chmod, which uses notation such as: chmod o+rw file |
| 11:58.59 | Aap | so if you add a file in that dir, it has to get 770 permissions |
| 11:59.26 | rvsjoen | d4d0: read the howto at lartc.org, especially chapter 15.10.2 about packet filters |
| 12:00.05 | Aap | we only have a preinstalled old debian version and we can't use apt-get |
| 12:00.12 | rvsjoen | the chapter itself is not relevant, but the ascii-chart is |
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| 12:00.34 | adaran | Aap, setgid? isn't that a systemcall? |
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| 12:00.54 | Aap | i don't know much about it |
| 12:01.29 | heh_v_water | I have two possible gateways connected to a debian machine. Is there a way i can route packets to specific gateways depending on the port they are using when they come in.. maybe with iptables? |
| 12:02.14 | Aap | weird, i thought it was with setgid |
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| 12:02.55 | Aap | so every file has to have automatically the permissions 770 |
| 12:03.01 | rvsjoen | you are talking about the setgid bit in file permissions, not the setgid system call |
| 12:03.12 | Aap | yes |
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| 12:03.32 | rvsjoen | setgid will give all the new files in a setgid'directory the same group-id, but I dont believe it sets the same permissions |
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| 12:04.10 | hocus | hi there's a way to use the extended key of the keyboard (volume up/down mute) etc with kde ? |
| 12:04.37 | ktwilight | keybinding you mean? |
| 12:04.47 | hocus | yes but for special keys |
| 12:04.54 | ktwilight | i know of a dirty way call hotkeys |
| 12:05.00 | ktwilight | do a search on google, should have it |
| 12:05.03 | hocus | i mean my keyb has mute/voulme ctrl and i want them affect volume |
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| 12:05.10 | ktwilight | yes, i know. |
| 12:05.23 | ktwilight | google.com/search?q=hotkeys+volume+keyboard+linux |
| 12:05.24 | ktwilight | there |
| 12:05.40 | rvsjoen | Aap: read this http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html |
| 12:05.50 | Aap | thx |
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| 12:08.29 | Aap | rvsjoen, it is setgid i need |
| 12:09.46 | rvsjoen | then your problem shouldn't be a problem ;) |
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| 12:11.01 | karim | I have a problem, when I dist-upgrade packages they install fine without errors, but then when I run again dist-upgrade apt wants to installs them again |
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| 12:11.23 | Aap | but how do you change the umask? |
| 12:11.31 | rvsjoen | why are you running dist-upgrade again ? |
| 12:11.40 | karim | Aap, umask |
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| 12:12.33 | Aap | so the umask stays for every dir that that users makes |
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| 12:13.07 | rvsjoen | Aap: search for "What is the "umask" http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/10862-linux-file-permissions.html |
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| 12:13.29 | rvsjoen | google has the answers, you just need to look for them |
| 12:14.00 | Youpi | hi |
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| 12:14.32 | Aap | yes |
| 12:14.32 | Youpi | how could I know who where connected to a distand acount on debian ? |
| 12:14.53 | Youpi | I mean the ip adresses of incomming telnet shells |
| 12:15.07 | rvsjoen | who were -> check the logs, who is -> use 'who' |
| 12:15.41 | Youpi | I mean whowas |
| 12:15.45 | Youpi | no who is connected now |
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| 12:16.21 | rvsjoen | then check the logs |
| 12:16.21 | tenner | reload |
| 12:16.25 | ma3x | why some fucking hotmail accounts allow you to access them via pop3 and some just dont? |
| 12:16.36 | Youpi | where are they reccorded ? |
| 12:16.55 | Youpi | ma3x: we are not the microsoft hotline |
| 12:17.00 | rvsjoen | usually /var/log |
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| 12:17.10 | Youpi | ma3x: paid acounts allow you to access hotmail via pop. |
| 12:17.11 | phogg | Youpi: try the last command. |
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| 12:17.26 | ma3x | Youpi, my account is not paid and it allows me to access it via pop |
| 12:17.42 | Youpi | phogg: permission denied |
| 12:18.17 | Youpi | ma3x: why don't you ask hotmail to get the pop server adress ? |
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| 12:18.50 | ma3x | Youpi, I got it, but it says: "hotmail said you need to pay money" |
| 12:18.51 | ma3x | fuckersssss |
| 12:18.58 | ma3x | and the other email account is fine |
| 12:19.02 | ma3x | maybe because its very old |
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| 12:19.05 | rvsjoen | heh |
| 12:19.08 | ma3x | they forgot to deactivate my pop3 access |
| 12:19.16 | stoned | oh man |
| 12:19.23 | stoned | I have to go to work in half n hour |
| 12:19.24 | Youpi | ma3x: cool, gmail is free |
| 12:19.29 | stoned | I am soo sleepy |
| 12:19.30 | Youpi | and many others |
| 12:20.05 | Youpi | thank you phogg |
| 12:20.06 | liable | ma3x: use hotwayd |
| 12:20.18 | liable | oh, no need.. |
| 12:20.32 | ma3x | liable, what do you mean no need? |
| 12:20.46 | liable | well, if you can access via pop |
| 12:20.47 | ma3x | this hotwayd is strange, if you run it okay, if you dont run it , again okay, it just checks your email |
| 12:21.04 | FinnTux | anyone noticed that touchpad is really slow in KDE? |
| 12:21.11 | liable | it downloads it for you... what do you expect it to do? |
| 12:21.43 | ma3x | liable, but I mean, it downloads it for you even if you dont run the daemon |
| 12:21.45 | ma3x | have you noticed? |
| 12:21.54 | liable | no |
| 12:22.00 | liable | its run from inetd |
| 12:22.06 | ma3x | really? |
| 12:22.10 | liable | yes |
| 12:22.12 | ma3x | but I dont see it running in the ps |
| 12:22.35 | ma3x | ps aux | grep hot shows nothign |
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| 12:22.50 | liable | check netstat -plunt, you'll see a 110 inetd |
| 12:23.07 | phogg | ma3x: inetd has that effect. |
| 12:23.22 | ma3x | ok |
| 12:23.51 | stoned | hah |
| 12:23.59 | stoned | my breakfast is pepto bismal :/ |
| 12:24.10 | ma3x | liable, but even with the hotwayd, I get answer: "Hotmay said you need to pay to have webDAV access' some shit like that |
| 12:24.12 | liable | ma3x: do you understand what inetd does? |
| 12:24.23 | stoned | I wish you could apt-get install money |
| 12:24.27 | liable | ma3x: works here |
| 12:24.40 | ma3x | liable, but it doesnt work on new accounts |
| 12:24.47 | ma3x | maybe you have your hotmail since couple of years |
| 12:24.59 | liable | yes, quite a few |
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| 12:25.06 | phogg | stoned: poptarts > pepto for nutritional value |
| 12:25.32 | ma3x | http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2004Sep/gee20040928027147.htm |
| 12:25.37 | stoned | i've got em |
| 12:25.45 | stoned | no toaster, and I don't like to nuke poptarts |
| 12:26.10 | liable | ma3x: what do you use as server for hotmail in email config? |
| 12:26.15 | stoned | but... pepto is good. ever morning I wake up feeling horrible, its a curse. Gastrointestinal Inflammatory bullshit I suffer from |
| 12:26.37 | rvsjoen | will apt-listchanges show changes before package upgrade only if it feels there is important information on the package ? becuse when I upgrade alt of packages only a few changes are listed by apt-listchanges |
| 12:26.39 | ma3x | liable, localhost |
| 12:26.56 | ma3x | liable, I check one old account I have, and it's working fine. But not with the new one |
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| 12:27.00 | rvsjoen | s/alt/all |
| 12:27.06 | ma3x | microsoft sucks |
| 12:27.07 | liable | ma3x: ok |
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| 12:28.13 | rvsjoen | well... they have to do _something_ about the spam |
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| 12:28.16 | Youpi | Réception du message 1 sur 119 |
| 12:28.21 | Youpi | oops |
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| 12:31.02 | liable | Administrator_: let me guess, you are irc'ing from a windows box? :) |
| 12:32.15 | slidesinger | Interesting scenario: I just recently installed debian base system on a new box. In the process of installing apps: firefox, thunderbird, openoffice, etc. Installed stable base and was planning on using apps from testing, like I do on my other box. |
| 12:32.18 | slidesinger | Funny thing: the apps have a dependency on X from testing and, somewhere in X or one of its dependencies, it wants to remove my kernel. (2.6.8-3-386) Why is this? |
| 12:33.02 | dvs | slidesinger: because there's a newer kernel in etch (2.6.15?) |
| 12:33.34 | slidesinger | dvs: It doesn't want to upgrade, just remove and leave me with no kernel. |
| 12:33.53 | Arafangion | dvs, And why should an application, such as OpenOffice.org, have a dependency on a particular kernel? |
| 12:34.13 | liable | i doubt its oo doing that |
| 12:34.14 | dvs | slidesinger: it's implying that it's not compatible with 2.6.8 so you'll have to use another kernel. |
| 12:34.24 | abrotman | slidesinger: you should have tried to use backports.org first .. mixing stable and testing is a good way to get a really broken system |
| 12:34.30 | heh_v_water | not sayign you should but.. when I upgraded two machines to etch it actually upgraded my 2.6.8 kernel to another 2.6.8 kernel |
| 12:34.41 | heh_v_water | no clue why |
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| 12:34.46 | dvs | heh_v_water: security |
| 12:36.17 | heh_v_water | dvs: well that makes sense to a point but it must have to do with security with etch packages because the update didn't happen on my sarge machines if I recall |
| 12:36.40 | slidesinger | Is there any way I can find out which package is causing this to happen? |
| 12:37.14 | Arafangion | Is there "configuration" meta-packages, ie, if I want to install Debian onto my laptop, and have everything setup automatically including power management, and automatic mounting of discs. |
| 12:37.16 | slidesinger | abrotman: I've been running testing apps on stable base for three years using apt pinning. |
| 12:37.38 | abrotman | slidesinger: i can repeat if you like ... REALLY bad idea .. |
| 12:37.39 | dvs | heh_v_water: do you have the kernel-image-2.6-386 package installed on your sarge machine? |
| 12:37.47 | Arafangion | slidesinger, REALLY BAD IDEA. |
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| 12:37.49 | abrotman | slidesinger: are you running gnome ? |
| 12:37.59 | slidesinger | abrotman: no. |
| 12:38.00 | abrotman | Arafangion: /nick echo |
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| 12:38.06 | dvs | slidesinger: it's a good idea... if you like trouble |
| 12:38.07 | abrotman | slidesinger: is udev being installed ? |
| 12:38.07 | heh_v_water | dvs: yes |
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| 12:38.17 | Arafangion | abrotman, I can't help it if I'm lagged! |
| 12:38.20 | slidesinger | Not running KDE either. |
| 12:38.26 | slidesinger | Sec. |
| 12:38.31 | dvs | heh_v_water: watch the version number carefully. 2.6 NOT 2.6.8 |
| 12:38.33 | brentwood-ca | hi |
| 12:38.47 | abrotman | slidesinger: paste the whole output of the attempt at an upgrade/install |
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| 12:39.05 | heh_v_water | dvs: no I have been running the 2.6.8 kernel with sarge since it has been available |
| 12:39.38 | brentwood-ca | what version of apache-tomcat is supported by debian now? |
| 12:40.07 | heh_v_water | dvs: when i upgraded the test machiens to etch it upgraded the kernel as well.. then naturally I move to the 2.6.15 kernel |
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| 12:40.33 | slidesinger | abrotman: I'll put it in #flood as it is a lot. |
| 12:41.00 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:41.01 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:41.20 | abrotman | brentwood-ca: in which version of debian ? |
| 12:42.22 | slidesinger | !paste |
| 12:42.22 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:42.31 | heh_v_water | I didn't notice but maybe the kernel update between sarge and etch has something to do with the udev/hotplug xfree86/xorg changes |
| 12:42.39 | Arafangion | slidesinger, Using the website really is easier. |
| 12:43.12 | dvs | heh_v_water: I doubt it's becuase of xorg but udev/hotplug makes sense |
| 12:43.19 | heh_v_water | dvs: agreed |
| 12:43.23 | abrotman | !depends libc6 etch |
| 12:43.26 | brentwood-ca | 3.1 |
| 12:43.26 | dpkg | libc6: depends on tzdata |
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| 12:43.59 | bahatpc | I'm running sarge with KDE. Does anybody know where OpenOffice keeps it's caches? After my computer locked up with Calc open, OO.o instantly dies with SIGFPE. Using trial & error, I pin-pointed the problem to the "use font antialising" setting. This has worked fine before though. |
| 12:44.09 | brentwood-ca | is there debian support for mod_perl 2 and apache 2? |
| 12:44.33 | brentwood-ca | is it better to download stuff from the project hoe page |
| 12:44.36 | brentwood-ca | or use apt-get |
| 12:44.42 | slidesinger | That better? |
| 12:45.01 | heh_v_water | brentwood-ca: apt-get and packages.debian.org use the same packages |
| 12:45.13 | abrotman | slidesinger: one of those packages either conflicts with your kernel .. or requires a certain version .. what is the command you're typing to get that ? |
| 12:45.44 | abrotman | brentwood-ca: i think sarge only has tomcat4 .. |
| 12:45.55 | slidesinger | apt-get -t testing install endeavour2 |
| 12:45.58 | SerajewelKS | haha, hoe page |
| 12:46.08 | SerajewelKS | brentwood-ca: do pimps have hoe pages? |
| 12:46.51 | callee | do i need a special driver for a standard hci bluetooth usb device? |
| 12:47.08 | dvs | callee: you need kernel modules |
| 12:47.30 | abrotman | slidesinger: what if you add linux-image-2.6-386 to that ? |
| 12:47.34 | SerajewelKS | callee: also bluez-utils and stuff would help |
| 12:47.59 | slidesinger | abrotman: One way to find out. |
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| 12:48.12 | abrotman | slidesinger: is this a workstation or a server? |
| 12:48.37 | heh_v_water | there must be a way for me to tell this thing if a connection comes in on a certain interface to use specified gateway |
| 12:48.39 | callee | dvs: yes, i have several kernel modules |
| 12:48.42 | slidesinger | abrotman: workstation |
| 12:48.52 | abrotman | slidesinger: and going straight etch is not an option ? |
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| 12:48.54 | dvs | callee: there are particular ones for bluetooth |
| 12:48.57 | callee | one is called hci_usb |
| 12:49.06 | slidesinger | abrotman: E: Package linux-image-2.6-386 has no installation candidate |
| 12:49.07 | callee | but the kernel has also driver for specific devices |
| 12:49.24 | abrotman | slidesinger: er .. what CPU do you have .. -386 is gone now i think |
| 12:49.52 | slidesinger | dual core pentium 4 |
| 12:49.55 | abrotman | it's -486 now i guess |
| 12:49.58 | heh_v_water | 686 |
| 12:50.12 | abrotman | slidesinger: use linux-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 12:52.49 | abrotman | !moo |
| 12:52.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 12:54.03 | Umds | Hey |
| 12:54.30 | anisfarhana | !meow |
| 12:54.37 | anisfarhana | heh |
| 12:55.18 | abrotman | dvs: dinner? |
| 12:55.19 | anisfarhana | !duck |
| 12:55.19 | dpkg | Hhhwrraaaaaaaacckk! |
| 12:55.24 | anisfarhana | haha |
| 12:55.26 | anisfarhana | ok ok |
| 12:55.37 | dvs | abrotman: taxodermy |
| 12:56.33 | Umds | i have a HP all-in-one 1100 USB printer that i want to share on a windows home network, the problem is i dont know how i can get it installed, i have only SSH access to the box, can someone help me get it installed |
| 12:57.27 | SerajewelKS | Umds: if you're familiar with GUI tools (like KDE's control panels) you can use VNC over an ssh tunnel |
| 12:57.38 | SerajewelKS | Umds: i'm not sure of the CLI way to do it though |
| 12:58.02 | liable | or if its on a lan, then you can use cups web conf if you set cupsd.conf properly |
| 12:58.22 | SerajewelKS | liable: or even use that over an ssh tunnel too. god i love ssh. |
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| 12:59.01 | SerajewelKS | liable: i use ssh to redirect ports to other boxen *on the same switch* 'cause it's just so easy to do |
| 12:59.02 | liable | heh, it roxors dont it.. :) |
| 12:59.17 | Umds | liable, i have tried cups web thing but it cant find the printer |
| 12:59.48 | Umds | i have hpijs, hplib installed so i should work and it has worked on another linux box |
| 13:00.11 | abrotman | is usblp installed ? it's a kernel module |
| 13:00.38 | liable | you need to set cupsd to share it via ipp |
| 13:00.52 | slidesinger | yaird or intramfs-tools, that is the question. |
| 13:00.54 | Umds | abrotman, i dont know |
| 13:01.12 | abrotman | good thing to check |
| 13:01.21 | liable | then it just broadcasts every once in a while and you can just add a networked printer on other boxen |
| 13:01.27 | Umds | abrotman, how? |
| 13:01.34 | abrotman | lsmod ? |
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| 13:01.58 | liable | yay, dirty harry is on telly! |
| 13:02.07 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 13:02.41 | liable | you dont know who dirty harry is?? |
| 13:02.58 | slidesinger | Don't get in his way, you're liable to get shot. |
| 13:03.23 | liable | that wasnt even close to being funny |
| 13:03.28 | liable | :P |
| 13:03.31 | Umds | abrotman, i just modprobe'd it |
| 13:03.56 | abrotman | and? |
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| 13:04.04 | abrotman | liable: of course i do |
| 13:04.16 | Umds | it loaded it |
| 13:04.17 | Umds | thats it |
| 13:04.24 | abrotman | is the printer there now? |
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| 13:05.01 | Umds | Jun 11 16:24:08 Mini-Heaven kernel: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 5 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x3011 |
| 13:05.04 | Umds | ? |
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| 13:05.25 | fresch | is there some log that tells me what iptables is doing with my packets? i'm trying to do a transparent proxy with squid, but i don't think it's working. |
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| 13:06.12 | Umds | abrotman, how can i see printers |
| 13:06.13 | Umds | ? |
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| 13:07.09 | liable | !qotd108 |
| 13:07.09 | dpkg | <drp> is there a command to allow me to see lan printers < greycat> drp: yes. "Joe! Show me that printer!" < greycat> substitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator < drp> lol |
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| 13:07.38 | liable | almost my favourite qotd i think. |
| 13:07.47 | Umds | O_o |
| 13:07.58 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:07.58 | dpkg | i heard qotd5 is <antgel__>wols_: that was my question. i have established that the best method could be to open the disc and use a small magnet to get all the 1s and 0s in the right places |
| 13:08.09 | tombs | bobesponja \o/ |
| 13:08.32 | bobesponja | tombs: hey |
| 13:08.49 | abrotman | !qotd139 |
| 13:08.49 | tombs | :) |
| 13:08.49 | dpkg | [qotd139] <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
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| 13:08.56 | bobesponja | tombs: any idea how to activate javascript in elinks? |
| 13:09.04 | slidesinger | abrotman: That seems to be the best solution. What actually kicked in the install with all the dependencies was: apt-get -t testing install udev. |
| 13:09.05 | sussudio | @qoty |
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| 13:09.14 | sussudio | :-| |
| 13:09.19 | abrotman | slidesinger: so you did install udev ? |
| 13:09.25 | tombs | bobesponja: nop |
| 13:09.36 | Umds | udev works fine |
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| 13:09.45 | slidesinger | abrotman: Just now. THat's how I got the kernel to upgrade instead of being removed. |
| 13:10.03 | abrotman | slidesinger: yeah .. udev in testing is VERY incompatible with sarge's kernel |
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| 13:16.51 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:16.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd80 is <toresbe> Holy shit! <toresbe> My Ultra 1 is streaming kernel panics! <toresbe> oh crap - It's the BSOD screensaver <toresbe> I fall for that motherfucker every time |
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| 13:20.16 | slidesinger | Thanks everyone for the assist. |
| 13:20.33 | abrotman | slidesinger: got it going ? |
| 13:20.35 | abrotman | bah |
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| 13:26.41 | falco_toadfoot | anyone know why atftpd cannot serve pxelinux.0 to a client on the local network? |
| 13:26.53 | falco_toadfoot | it just repeatsatftpd[24019]: timeout: retrying... |
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| 13:28.55 | abrotman | ah . the mystical tftp install ... |
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| 13:29.43 | JdGordon | help, im trying to install mythtv... i installed it but it didnt work, so i removed it and now i want to reinstall it and it says the package doesnt exist? |
| 13:29.53 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: if you will.. |
| 13:30.02 | cat | !info mythtv |
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| 13:30.12 | abrotman | falco_toadfoot: try another tftpd |
| 13:30.22 | cat | try apt-cache search mythtv |
| 13:30.40 | JdGordon | cat: nothing comes up |
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| 13:30.59 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: I tried tftpd-hpa, but it just says nothing.. |
| 13:31.09 | falco_toadfoot | turned on verbosity, but it just sits there |
| 13:31.17 | falco_toadfoot | while the client tries to connect.. |
| 13:31.26 | abrotman | see .. this is why it's mystical :) |
| 13:31.34 | falco_toadfoot | o_O |
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| 13:31.47 | falco_toadfoot | software is binary, not mystical :p |
| 13:31.53 | abrotman | last time i tried to do a tftp install was with alphas .. and woody .. never got it to work |
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| 13:33.14 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: strange.. |
| 13:33.41 | abrotman | falco_toadfoot: you only have two tftp servers? |
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| 13:34.07 | abrotman | yeah .. i guess atftpd is the better one .. |
| 13:34.21 | abrotman | !listkeys tftp |
| 13:34.22 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'tftp' by key (3): #debian-bots tftp ;; tftp ;; _default tftp. |
| 13:34.22 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: yes.. tftpd doesn't support tsize |
| 13:34.32 | abrotman | !tftpd |
| 13:34.33 | abrotman | !tftp |
| 13:34.33 | dpkg | somebody said tftp was the trivial file transfer protocol. an insecure file transfer protocol without authentification designed to transfer trivial files to diskless clients. |
| 13:34.39 | abrotman | bah |
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| 13:35.32 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: could the problem be #332621 ? |
| 13:35.42 | abrotman | !dbugs 332621 |
| 13:35.45 | dpkg | #332621:N[atftpd] atftpd: Non compatible with older clients; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:18:04 UTC |
| 13:35.56 | JdGordon | !mythtv |
| 13:35.56 | dpkg | i guess mythtv is software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org. Packages can be found in <marillat>. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers |
| 13:35.58 | abrotman | i suppose ... depends on the systems i guess |
| 13:36.04 | falco_toadfoot | hm |
| 13:36.28 | falco_toadfoot | this is a toshiba with windows xp embedded..guess it's not old in that sense.. |
| 13:36.30 | liable | i think i have a loony living next door.. |
| 13:36.33 | bobesponja | !bttv |
| 13:36.33 | abrotman | falco_toadfoot: of all the installation methods debian provides .. this is the most difficult i've found |
| 13:36.33 | dpkg | from memory, bttv is a driver for the bt848/bt878 tv tuner chip which is on most tv tuner card and you can find it at http://www.strusel007.de/linux/bttv/, or moved to http://www.metzlerbros.de/bttv.html. MPEG-2 cards like PVR-250s should see {ivtv} |
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| 13:36.51 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: I'll do it from a usb drive....if only I got that to work |
| 13:36.53 | bobesponja | !sex |
| 13:36.54 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 13:37.05 | bobesponja | :) |
| 13:37.05 | abrotman | falco_toadfoot: can the system boot from USB ? |
| 13:37.12 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: think so |
| 13:37.28 | abrotman | make sure .. but i believe install from USB stick is possible |
| 13:37.35 | abrotman | falco_toadfoot: no floppy or CD drive ? |
| 13:38.14 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: no.. only if you use the proprietary toshiba-drives |
| 13:38.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:38.20 | falco_toadfoot | which I don't have |
| 13:38.27 | falco_toadfoot | usb-cdrom is no good |
| 13:38.46 | abrotman | yeah ..i helped a friend do a blade install with a usb-cdrom .. what a pain :) |
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| 13:40.21 | hjubal | hi |
| 13:40.26 | ranpha | I'm using ndiswrapper to get my wireless WPGC54 card working. It looks okay but sometimes my whole system freeze...even when i start a dhcp request..how can i fix this? |
| 13:40.32 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: it's ok on brand new motherboards..usually |
| 13:40.35 | fresch | i have squid working and want to make it a transparent proxy. i tried, but i don't get the iptables stuff, help? |
| 13:40.43 | SlayerXP | ranpha: buy a properly supported wireless card. |
| 13:41.02 | abrotman | falco_toadfoot: i think the debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ page has a link to how to install from a usb stick |
| 13:41.06 | XandriX | anyone know if there is an apt-get for the i915 dri ? |
| 13:41.19 | abrotman | XandriX: in etch/sid ? |
| 13:41.25 | ranpha | SlayerXP that wasn't my question... |
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| 13:41.36 | XandriX | abrotman, ?? |
| 13:42.04 | SlayerXP | ranpha: it's how _I_ would fix that problem. you were asking for opinions were you not? |
| 13:43.34 | ranpha | slayerxp yeah but in a working budget. I can get the card working with the linuxant drivers...but that cost mony and it almost the same as ndiswrapper.... |
| 13:44.17 | SlayerXP | ranpha: just because you don't _like_ an answer it doesn't mean the answer is wrong. |
| 13:44.23 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: I wish there were a nice .exe that would just overwrite the hd from windows, and then reboot :D |
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| 13:44.30 | XandriX | abrotman, what do you mean ? |
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| 13:45.15 | ranpha | which card in your eyes is good then slayerxp? |
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| 13:45.38 | SlayerXP | ranpha: the atheros cards work just fine with open souce drivers. |
| 13:46.14 | liable | they work great |
| 13:46.28 | ranpha | ath card already in other laptop...and didn't want to work one this one |
| 13:46.44 | abrotman | XandriX: which version of debian |
| 13:46.57 | XandriX | testing |
| 13:47.21 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 13:47.55 | XandriX | abrotman, i ment the dri drivers for intel 915 cards in well pci express |
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| 13:54.08 | fisrado | where can i locate the most stable apt sources list ... ftp.xxx.debian.org are of no us |
| 13:54.11 | fisrado | use |
| 13:54.46 | formorer | you are wrong |
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| 13:55.05 | formorer | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main - would work on all other main mirrors too |
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| 13:57.49 | killown | my mplayer have erro >> Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
| 13:58.03 | killown | where i find this library? |
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| 13:58.21 | falco_toadfoot | killown: apt-get install w32codecs? |
| 13:58.38 | fisrado | formorer, thanks ... i am trying with that mirror now ... |
| 13:58.48 | killown | i yet installed codecs win32 |
| 13:58.52 | fisrado | hopefully i will be able to install php-cli |
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| 13:59.28 | killown | falco_toadfoot yet installed |
| 13:59.28 | XandriX | abrotman, u know what im talking about right ? |
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| 14:00.19 | liable | is it bug squashing this weekend? |
| 14:00.22 | killown | falco_toadfoot essential codecs? |
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| 14:00.27 | killown | yet installed |
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| 14:01.36 | killown | how i do? |
| 14:01.38 | Quiznos | #debian, we hardly knew thee and thine seven hundred loiters.. be well and be gone to other endeavors. :) |
| 14:01.41 | Quiznos | :) |
| 14:01.54 | Quiznos | turn the lights off when you leave. |
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| 14:04.02 | killown | anybody help -me? |
| 14:05.21 | liable | wow, /me suspect quiznos to be a ubuntu user for some reason.. :) |
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| 14:06.12 | liable | or gentoo.. |
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| 14:09.31 | bahatpc | bye |
| 14:11.07 | Agrajag- | gday, how can i get a list of packages that require a certain package? |
| 14:11.11 | abrotman | XandriX: afaik .. same driver |
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| 14:11.51 | XandriX | abrotman, the one form dir.freedesktop.org i doubt it cuz i had better performances with that one in other distros lol |
| 14:12.04 | abrotman | XandriX: huh ? |
| 14:12.06 | liable | Agrajag-: reverse depends? |
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| 14:12.17 | Agrajag- | liable: yeah |
| 14:12.17 | XandriX | abrotman, nvm |
| 14:12.21 | abrotman | XandriX: do you even have DRI working ? ... glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 14:13.12 | liable | Agrajag-: i cant remember the package, but there is one for it |
| 14:13.25 | XandriX | not in deb atm :S |
| 14:13.32 | Agrajag- | there's a package for figuring it out? hehe ok, ta, i'll have a look |
| 14:13.35 | abrotman | that might be a good thing to do |
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| 14:13.53 | killown | Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll but i installedessential-codecs in /usr/local/win32 i can to run movies rmvb but rm not |
| 14:14.00 | Agrajag- | liable: apt-rdepends perhaps |
| 14:14.09 | abrotman | killown: wrong channel ? |
| 14:14.19 | fresch | what, no chastity-list in stable? |
| 14:14.24 | liable | Agrajag-: probably |
| 14:14.29 | killown | abrotman, it ' s mplayer for linux |
| 14:14.31 | abrotman | killown: is that dll there ? |
| 14:14.39 | killown | abrotman, for mplayer |
| 14:14.46 | killown | essential codecs win32 |
| 14:15.11 | abrotman | is the DLL there? |
| 14:15.16 | killown | yes |
| 14:15.38 | abrotman | what are the perms onit ? |
| 14:16.24 | killown | onit? |
| 14:16.27 | abrotman | on it |
| 14:16.53 | killown | i want to execute movie format rm |
| 14:17.19 | killown | it use this dll |
| 14:17.28 | abrotman | i know .. ls -l /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
| 14:17.48 | killown | ls: /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll: No such file or directory |
| 14:17.53 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 14:18.31 | killown | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 76800 Jun 9 22:52 /usr/local/lib/win32/VDODEC32.dll |
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| 14:18.52 | abrotman | how is that related? |
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| 14:19.03 | abrotman | is there a /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll ? |
| 14:19.19 | killown | mencoder -of avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=rv10 -vop scale=320:240 -xvidencopts bitrate=80:max_key_interval=120:vhq=4 -oac pcm -lameopts cbr:br=30:vol=2 -srate 11050 -o filmebleach.avi $1 |
| 14:19.28 | killown | I am encod it |
| 14:19.48 | liable | no wonder people like guis.. :P |
| 14:19.54 | killown | abrotman not exist /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
| 14:20.04 | killown | i want download it |
| 14:20.05 | abrotman | killown: so .. the error about the DLL not being there .. is correct .. |
| 14:20.09 | abrotman | google? |
| 14:20.13 | abrotman | ask #mplayer? |
| 14:20.18 | abrotman | ask microsoft? |
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| 14:20.30 | killown | ok |
| 14:20.31 | liable | meh, full of windows freaks is #mplayer |
| 14:20.44 | liable | kiddies |
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| 14:20.56 | liable | never got a descent answer there ever |
| 14:21.07 | abrotman | decent ? |
| 14:21.22 | liable | grammar nazi?? |
| 14:21.28 | liable | :P |
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| 14:21.41 | abrotman | mebbe :) |
| 14:21.43 | spanglesontoast | is there no way to change the debian boot text ? |
| 14:21.48 | spanglesontoast | to a different color? |
| 14:21.55 | liable | heh |
| 14:22.28 | spanglesontoast | or is there a kernel patch? |
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| 14:22.47 | liable | i think its a kernel option, someone asked this the other day |
| 14:23.01 | liable | dunno what the definative answer was though |
| 14:23.18 | liable | laters |
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| 14:23.43 | spanglesontoast | well googling around it looks like I need to do a kernel upgrade |
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| 14:25.16 | SlayerXP | the definitive answer was that should should probably get some proper work done instead. |
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| 14:28.18 | hdkiller | hello, is it possible somehow to proxy the sound from a win32 box to a debian server? Especially im looking for some solution to watch movies on win32 client and use a remote sound card as output |
| 14:28.34 | hdkiller | there is *any* solution for it? esd, artsd clients seems not ported to win32 btw |
| 14:29.05 | hdkiller | i would i like to ask this on #mplayer, but there is everybody looks like a windows freak but they are kiddies :/ |
| 14:29.06 | spanglesontoast | hmm is there any binary kernels? |
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| 14:31.12 | fresch | something smelled bad... i started sniffing around, it's the monitor smelling like cheese... o.O |
| 14:32.20 | abrotman | melting plastic! |
| 14:32.50 | fresch | no, but i was thinking capacitors... :/ |
| 14:33.10 | falco_toadfoot | cheese... what cheese have you been eating that smells like that? |
| 14:33.41 | fresch | actually i was thinking pizza, it just took me a while to remember english word for capacitor |
| 14:34.45 | fresch | i had some broken capacitors in a (power thing in pc) and a firend of mine replaced them, he told me they smelled like cheese... *shrug* |
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| 14:38.09 | jikbag | what package would stdio.h be in? |
| 14:38.45 | abrotman | !b-e jikbag |
| 14:38.46 | dpkg | jikbag: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 14:39.04 | jikbag | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 14:41.38 | abrotman | HOLY CRAP LIONS! |
| 14:41.44 | t-thing | Hi. Could someone tell what is the /dev/sit0 device? When i'm trying to use wep encryption with rt61 I get an error about it not existing while trying to get an ip. |
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| 14:42.31 | kspath | abrotman: ONLY IN KENYA? |
| 14:42.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:42.54 | vanpelt | hi to everybody |
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| 14:43.15 | vanpelt | anybody here specialized on imapd |
| 14:43.35 | kspath | vanpelt: apt-cache search imap |
| 14:43.36 | vanpelt | or could anybody help me for a second ? |
| 14:43.36 | SlayerXP | !anyone |
| 14:43.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:43.41 | vanpelt | lol |
| 14:43.57 | abrotman | vanpelt: try #cyrus |
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| 14:49.14 | tnks | Hi. As packages become orphaned are they ever completely dropped from the repositories after some period of time? |
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| 14:51.00 | abrotman | tnks: they may be |
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| 14:59.34 | tarzeau | tnks: which package are you worried about? |
| 14:59.48 | neoxan | http://unrule.net/files/hdtv.gif |
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| 15:00.27 | abrotman | neoxan: wtf was that for? |
| 15:00.42 | neoxan | debian |
| 15:00.44 | neoxan | related |
| 15:00.48 | neoxan | somehow |
| 15:00.51 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
| 15:01.04 | tnks | tarzeau: not really worried about any package in particular... just noticed that I have packages installed that are now orphaned. |
| 15:01.15 | tarzeau | tnks: which are those? |
| 15:01.21 | tnks | galternatives. |
| 15:01.26 | tnks | I never use it, though. |
| 15:01.33 | tnks | so it's not a big deal for me. |
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| 15:01.43 | tarzeau | k |
| 15:01.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6262399297012042141&q=underwater+dolphin |
| 15:02.10 | neoxan | why not abrotman? |
| 15:02.11 | neoxan | :( |
| 15:02.19 | abrotman | neoxan: piss off |
| 15:02.21 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 15:02.29 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:02.29 | neoxan | underwater dolphins are also not related to debian |
| 15:02.31 | neoxan | are they?°^ |
| 15:02.35 | luka | how can I know info about my InfraRed device in my Laptop? (I search a command Like lspci or lsusb for infrared) |
| 15:03.00 | abrotman | neoxan: no .. but it wasn't a movie of shit |
| 15:03.13 | tarzeau | luka: apt-cache search infrared |
| 15:03.36 | neoxan | that wasnt a movie of shit, that was only to show the changes from tv to hdtv |
| 15:03.36 | neoxan | :S |
| 15:03.51 | neoxan | so someone like you, can understand it |
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| 15:04.18 | abrotman | hehe .. a 10MB library |
| 15:04.25 | abrotman | neoxan: it wasn't funny .. it's just fucking disgusting |
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| 15:04.32 | tnks | tarzeau: I mis-stated there is an orphaned package that I found useful -- doxymacs. |
| 15:04.41 | luka | tarzeau: It's about Debian's packages that related to infra red, I want to get some info abot my Infrared hardware, wich type from wich vendor and so much. |
| 15:04.42 | neoxan | why abrotman? thats just painted, lol |
| 15:04.43 | neoxan | :S |
| 15:04.53 | abrotman | must be something in the german water .. makes them all morons |
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| 15:05.05 | neoxan | nazi :P |
| 15:05.10 | abrotman | so you are ... |
| 15:05.15 | neoxan | no, im not |
| 15:05.20 | abrotman | right .. |
| 15:05.25 | neoxan | :P |
| 15:05.31 | neoxan | i dont say every american is fat |
| 15:05.33 | tarzeau | 17:05 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from neoxan: xchat 2.6.1 Ubuntu |
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| 15:05.47 | neoxan | tarzeau, youre so great |
| 15:05.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: yep .. the water |
| 15:07.23 | streuner | abrotman: so you hate all germans, right? |
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| 15:07.41 | abrotman | streuner: oh yes .. especially the ones that make beer! |
| 15:07.45 | tnks | abrotman: where can I find a discussion about how orphaned packages are formally abandoned. |
| 15:07.54 | abrotman | tnks: the process ? |
| 15:08.33 | tnks | abrotman: I just though there might be some kind of policy or convention about how to do it so people are just left in the dark. |
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| 15:08.46 | abrotman | tnks: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-orphaning |
| 15:08.49 | asg | abrotman: ah, I see that Sundays are still the same |
| 15:08.57 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. on both networks |
| 15:10.55 | tnks | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 15:12.07 | abrotman | roadnav has a 10MB library ... |
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| 15:12.34 | streuner | abrotman: there are about 1.000.000 sorts of beer in .de!.. |
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| 15:12.55 | abrotman | ok |
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| 15:13.54 | roob_ | Need some help: I have a ./configure step failing because it's not finding a .h file. But that .h file is in /usr/include. How can I tell the configure script where to find that file, does anyone know? |
| 15:14.12 | Luckychui | which debian app is good for checking the total traffic usage |
| 15:14.16 | streuner | roob_: what app.? |
| 15:14.20 | streuner | iptraf |
| 15:14.34 | Luckychui | okay thanks |
| 15:14.37 | streuner | or just use ipconfig |
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| 15:14.57 | streuner | roob_: which app. do you want to compile? |
| 15:15.08 | roob_ | streuner: it's ruby fcgi bindings. It fails with "checking for fcgiapp.h... no". "locate fcgiapp" brings up "/usr/include/fcgiapp.h" |
| 15:15.09 | FalscherHase | hi. is it possible to turn off key repetition for single keys under xorg? |
| 15:15.16 | tarzeau | FalscherHase: no |
| 15:15.32 | Luckychui | streuner: is there any app that is in package? |
| 15:15.33 | FalscherHase | tarzeau: ok, thanks. |
| 15:15.47 | streuner | roob_: how about 'apt-file search fcgiapp.h' ? |
| 15:16.01 | streuner | !info iptraf |
| 15:16.07 | dpkg | iptraf: (Interactive Colorful IP LAN Monitor), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 728 kB |
| 15:17.05 | stew | roob_: why are you compiling it instead of just apt-getting it? |
| 15:17.12 | roob_ | streuner: "apt-file search fcgiapp.h" returns nothing. But I don't get it: fcgiapp.h is already on my system. The configure step just can't find it |
| 15:17.34 | streuner | roob_: ./configure --help and look at the options to tell where the libs are then. |
| 15:17.38 | roob_ | stew: if there are ruby fcgi bindings then I missed it, let me check |
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| 15:17.44 | roob_ | streuner: ok, thanks |
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| 15:17.57 | stew | roob_: libfcgi-ruby1.6 and libfcgi-ruby1.8 are apt-gettable |
| 15:18.17 | valdyn | roob_: locate doesnt know what's on your system _currently_ |
| 15:18.36 | roob_ | valdyn: but I updatedb'd before the locate call |
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| 15:19.26 | valdyn | roob_: ls -l /usr/include/fcgiapp.h |
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| 15:20.07 | roob_ | valdyn: file exists -- but I just installed the apt packages like stew recommended, so I got it working now :) |
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| 15:21.25 | tnks | abrotman: okay (I read seom of the Developer's Reference), so a package can be indefinitely orphaned without an automated removal? |
| 15:21.34 | abrotman | from what i know .. yes |
| 15:21.40 | Luckychui | !info kbits |
| 15:21.48 | Luckychui | is kbits kilobytes? |
| 15:21.55 | abrotman | kilobits ? |
| 15:22.05 | Luckychui | yea how many kb is that |
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| 15:23.04 | formorer | hi agney |
| 15:23.16 | formorer | Luckychui: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kbit |
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| 15:23.19 | agney | formorer, hi :) |
| 15:23.38 | formorer | agney: how is life as a DD? :) |
| 15:24.15 | agney | formorer, a lot of work to do. |
| 15:24.17 | fresch | what are good alternatives to squidguard? i'm looking for full text filters, especially. |
| 15:24.30 | formorer | fresch: dansguardian |
| 15:24.38 | abrotman | formorer: why aren't there Packages files for each backport ? |
| 15:24.43 | formorer | agney: hey, is was your wish to get a dd |
| 15:24.46 | formorer | abrotman: hm? |
| 15:24.50 | formorer | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 15:24.53 | fresch | formorer, it's non-free. |
| 15:25.00 | formorer | fresch: no |
| 15:25.03 | streuner | abrotman: because not everyone feels to make a backport... |
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| 15:25.05 | agney | formorer, yeah man. |
| 15:25.05 | abrotman | formorer: so that i can use a URL direct to a backport |
| 15:25.14 | abrotman | streuner: huh ? |
| 15:25.15 | formorer | fresch: I'm the maintainer. I should know if its non-free |
| 15:25.19 | agney | formorer, it is nice too :) |
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| 15:25.43 | formorer | abrotman: thats very hard to resolve, you need a very complex dependency resolver to do that automatically |
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| 15:25.51 | formorer | abrotman: but you are free to provide one :) |
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| 15:26.17 | streuner | hm |
| 15:26.19 | abrotman | formorer: eh .. sure .. i'll get right on that :) |
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| 15:27.02 | abrotman | formorer: don't the dependencies get figured out anyways ? |
| 15:27.06 | fresch | formorer, oh, ok. but after reading the homepage, i had the distinct impression it was non-free |
| 15:27.18 | formorer | fresch: no, just read it carefully :) |
| 15:27.24 | formorer | fresch: if you download from debian its gpl |
| 15:27.35 | formorer | and yes I know the license page is strange |
| 15:28.54 | fresch | formorer, ah, you're right. it's just really, really strangely expressed. |
| 15:29.11 | formorer | fresch: I had several discussions in the past |
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| 15:30.17 | dererk | hi all! |
| 15:30.32 | dererk | I'm trying to mount a DVD image from a NFS server |
| 15:30.37 | dererk | But I get this error: |
| 15:30.49 | streuner | stop |
| 15:30.50 | dererk | "Value too large for defined data type" |
| 15:30.55 | streuner | !paste |
| 15:30.55 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 15:30.56 | dererk | on the server side |
| 15:31.03 | dererk | streuner, ..... 1 line |
| 15:31.13 | formorer | abrotman: if you write a package file it must be able to resolv any dependency from that file. So if generating the file you have to decide which dep could be fullfilled from sarge and which has to be fetched from bpo |
| 15:31.26 | dererk | Is that possible? |
| 15:31.48 | abrotman | formorer: i thought the backports were independent of other backports |
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| 15:31.56 | peterS | streuner: yeah, you spent 3 lines telling him how not to paste his 1 line. something's wrong with that picture. |
| 15:32.02 | formorer | abrotman: no, thats no possible |
| 15:32.03 | ktwilight | dererk, google gives good result :) |
| 15:32.11 | abrotman | dererk: i think NFS has a file size limit of like 4GB |
| 15:32.17 | formorer | abrotman: if you have a kde 3.4 app you need all 3.4 libs too and so on |
| 15:32.17 | dererk | :\ |
| 15:32.25 | streuner | peterS: well, you are wasting another line too :-) |
| 15:32.28 | abrotman | formorer: ah .. gotcha .. darn it to heck :) |
| 15:32.33 | peterS | dererk: NFS version 3 doesn't have that limit. make sure your client and server are both using version 3 |
| 15:32.49 | dererk | peterS, they are |
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| 15:33.08 | abrotman | formorer: could do another directory structure .. like put all kde apps and kde libs under kde/ .. |
| 15:33.27 | dererk | Both are using 3 |
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| 15:34.42 | dererk | Maybe a special syntax is required on resource sharing line? |
| 15:34.58 | dererk | I've this: (async,no_root_squash,ro) |
| 15:35.07 | formorer | abrotman: we have something like that in the past, but I don't want to do manually for every package |
| 15:35.16 | abrotman | oh .. oh well |
| 15:35.24 | formorer | abrotman: so we need an automatic solution, or we don't have one :) |
| 15:35.24 | peterS | dererk: no, that's fine. make sure the client is actually using version 3 ('vers=3' or something should be recorded in /etc/mtab on the client) |
| 15:35.50 | peterS | actually I'm not sure if the vers=3 thing always shows up in the mount options, or not |
| 15:35.53 | dererk | on my way |
| 15:37.02 | dererk | peterS, I don't see any "vers=3" in any place :( |
| 15:38.01 | peterS | dererk: try mounting with "-o nfsvers=3", see what happens |
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| 15:39.05 | peterS | dererk: (basically so that it doesn't fall back on version 2 if there's a problem, instead it will just fail) |
| 15:39.08 | ootput | hi guys, can any of you suggest backup strategies for home desktops? I'd like to create a snapshot of my system, and then install gnome. If i end up not liking gnome, I'd like to easily restore my system |
| 15:39.26 | abrotman | use aptitude to install gnome |
| 15:39.26 | dererk | peterS, it's funny |
| 15:39.37 | dererk | on Man it says "default is vers 2" |
| 15:39.45 | dererk | but got the same error :( |
| 15:39.48 | streuner | ootput: take a look at partimage |
| 15:39.55 | peterS | don't know, then |
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| 15:40.14 | ootput | streuner: thanks, googling |
| 15:40.37 | streuner | ootput: partimage is in unstable, not in stable |
| 15:40.46 | abrotman | there's systemimager or whatever it is |
| 15:41.23 | dererk | peterS, do you know if the nfs server mounts resources as vers 2 by default ? |
| 15:41.43 | dererk | maybe there's the problem |
| 15:42.04 | peterS | dererk: the server doesn't get to decide. the client asks for version 2 or version 3, and it's either available or it isn't |
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| 15:42.50 | dererk | peterS, Ok, I understand. Thanks :) |
| 15:42.53 | peterS | dererk: you can run 'rpcinfo -p your_nfs_server' to see the 'nfs' service, versions 2 and 3 (and sometimes 4), available on UDP port 2049, and sometimes TCP 2049 |
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| 15:43.22 | dererk | gonna check that |
| 15:43.40 | peterS | dererk: note also the 'mountd' service in that list - that's what the client actually talks to initially |
| 15:44.44 | dererk | Yes, It says 3 and 2 twice |
| 15:45.08 | ootput | streuner: yep, i'm working with sid. do you know if it supports raid? |
| 15:45.37 | ootput | software raid |
| 15:46.47 | dererk | peterS, ok, thanks anyway :) |
| 15:47.32 | peterS | dererk: yeah, if mounting with nfsvers=3 does not help, then I don't know what would cause your issue |
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| 15:50.23 | rking | darnit |
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| 15:51.36 | tnews | BTW, the Debian Etch snapshot is broken when it comes to SATA-drives. I tried Etch beta 2 and it works there. |
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| 15:52.25 | ootput | ah, it appears i can't use partimage on mounted parts |
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| 16:02.07 | Seven_Six_Two | my artsd is broken... |
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| 16:03.27 | blondie | 45 |
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| 16:06.56 | Seven_Six_Two | it also doesn't seem to want to die when i kill it. It just keeps using 98% cpu |
| 16:07.29 | fresch | cool, dansguardian... installed it, adjusted iptables prerouting, *bam* works like i need it to =D |
| 16:07.49 | formorer | fresch: :) |
| 16:08.02 | formorer | I still need to update the packages in unstable... |
| 16:08.21 | formorer | but they changed all configfile locations, so that is more work than I hoped :) |
| 16:10.00 | elik | Hello, I am having difficulties installing Debian Sarge on my Gateway 7330GH laptop. I tried both kernell and it will keep freezing after first reboot (just before it installs everything from the net). For more details, just ask, I tried a lot more stuff. |
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| 16:11.34 | abrotman | elik: tried a etch beta installer ? |
| 16:11.39 | rking | elik: i'm not sure if i can be of much help, but if i was in that situation, i'd probably try booting a livecd distro - have you tried that? |
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| 16:12.00 | elik | rking, I did, both Knoppix and Morphix |
| 16:12.10 | elik | rking, Knoppix wont boot, but morphix does |
| 16:12.44 | abrotman | tried the etch installer? |
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| 16:13.25 | JulienH | Hi there |
| 16:13.26 | elik | abrotman, nope, didnt |
| 16:14.01 | elik | abrotman, but packages I need are built for Sarge, and am affraid it might be complicated to get them working on Etch |
| 16:14.17 | abrotman | elik: ah .. indeed |
| 16:14.20 | abrotman | !sarge uni |
| 16:14.20 | dpkg | sarge unofficial netinstallers see <sarge 2.6.12> <sarge 2.6.14> and/or <sarge 2.6.15>, or use at your own risk and not officially a sarge installation. The 2.6.15 may use yaird, beware. or see <custom netinst> |
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| 16:15.16 | elik | abrotman, hum, not sure what it is... |
| 16:15.35 | elik | abrotman, those are sarge installers but developped by someone else? |
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| 16:15.41 | tombs | I'm trying to install a pci wireless card(smc2802w), but I don't understand whata do I have to do. Couls someone please, give me a hand? |
| 16:15.58 | lanchow | Q: i have this bug but i don't know how to repair it, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-x@lists.debian.org/msg46335.html |
| 16:16.10 | fubarrrrr | anyone able to tell me if it's possible to redirect everything going to @foo.com to @bar.com with postfix transports? |
| 16:16.12 | JulienH | I have an httpd-2.2.2 built from source on an debian sarge, and sometimes for unknown reason, the 80 port becomes filtered as reported by the "nmap localhost" command |
| 16:16.52 | JulienH | Whereas, iptables -L, is empty |
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| 16:17.05 | elik | abrotman, since you are quite often on this channel (if not always :P) I'll give you more infos which might help you to figure out what it could be |
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| 16:17.38 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:18.00 | elik | abrotman, in 1st phase of installation, it tries to detect network. I have 2 adapters, my network card and the 1394 adapter (Firewire). I choose eth0 (network card) |
| 16:18.12 | JulienH | Any idea about a port 80 being automatically filtered ? |
| 16:18.19 | elik | abrotman, it tries to DHCP but times out |
| 16:18.24 | abrotman | JulienH: tell your ISP |
| 16:18.39 | elik | abrotman, then it asks for retry and find the network address |
| 16:19.07 | elik | abrotman, thought it could be my DHCP that was slow, but does that on 2 DLINK router and didnt do that on previous installation |
| 16:19.26 | roxy_ | Hi, I used kde printer manager to set up my epson printer and set it up as default printer. When I print a test page, there is no error message but nothing printing. In /var/log/cups/error_log I get the following message: CUPS-Get-Default client-error-not-found: No default printer |
| 16:19.55 | abrotman | elik: this is all during the install ? |
| 16:19.57 | JulienH | abrotman: why tell my ISP ? It's "nmap localhost" (directly executed on the server console) that tells me the port 80 is being filtered.... not a "nmap" from another client machine |
| 16:20.21 | elik | abrotman, yes, just when it installs basic stuff on the partition, before reboot installing all packages |
| 16:20.31 | abrotman | elik: where does it freeze on reboot ? |
| 16:20.48 | abrotman | JulienH: does port 80 work? |
| 16:20.53 | elik | abrotman, it then freezes on USB drivers on 1st reboot, then on agpgart on other reboots |
| 16:21.03 | JulienH | Piggy: ok, I'm a rookie, so give me an explain :) |
| 16:21.20 | JulienH | abrotman: Yeah, it works, but sometimes for unknown reason it becomes unreachable |
| 16:21.25 | sussudio | Interesting ports on celine.netavenir.com (82.67.204.235): 80/tcp open http |
| 16:21.31 | sussudio | JulienH: now go away. |
| 16:21.55 | abrotman | JulienH: your firewall is wonky ? |
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| 16:22.15 | JulienH | sussudio: I'm talking about a server hosted in a datacenter, not my personnal machine |
| 16:22.27 | ootput | hi guys, i can't seem to unmount /boot (as lsof suggests) because of klogd |
| 16:22.30 | JulienH | abrotman: iptables -L is empty |
| 16:22.31 | sussudio | :-| |
| 16:22.34 | ootput | can this be remedied? |
| 16:22.49 | abrotman | chanserv! |
| 16:22.52 | sussudio | JulienH: so bloody nmap it yourself |
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| 16:23.12 | ootput | woah! |
| 16:23.56 | JulienH | sussudio: thanks to be so nice |
| 16:24.03 | sussudio | JulienH: nmap -p 80 your.bloody.ip.mkay |
| 16:24.10 | elik | abrotman, morphix boots, but gives lots of errors, including some PnPBIOS errors |
| 16:24.17 | abrotman | elik: gateway sucks! |
| 16:24.21 | elik | abrotman, and network wont work |
| 16:24.28 | elik | abrotman, I know |
| 16:24.36 | roxy_ | How can I tel cups that my epson printer is the default printer ? |
| 16:24.37 | elik | abrotman, but laptop was given... soooo |
| 16:24.39 | abrotman | elik: anything else on the laptop ? |
| 16:24.44 | abrotman | elik: oh .. how old is it ? |
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| 16:24.56 | elik | abrotman, quite new, has a DVD bruner |
| 16:25.07 | abrotman | elik: try the unofficial netinst |
| 16:25.14 | abrotman | !tell elik about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 16:25.17 | elik | abrotman, I removed everything from the laptop, even unplugged my usb mouse |
| 16:25.32 | abrotman | elik: it's a centrino laptop right? |
| 16:25.40 | abrotman | elik: and probably has a 9xx intel chipset? |
| 16:25.42 | streuner | roxy_: via http://localhost:631 |
| 16:25.49 | elik | abrotman, nope, p4 |
| 16:26.01 | abrotman | elik: a p4 can be a centrino :) |
| 16:26.02 | elik | abrotman, http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/7305GZ/5174nv.shtml |
| 16:26.12 | JulienH | sussudio: the port is usually open... nmap gives me an open state for the port 80. But as I've said just before, sometimes, it automatically (=without my intervention) turned in a filtered state. So it is what I'm looking for... why ? |
| 16:26.33 | pipeline | JulienH: It probably doesn't mean anything. |
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| 16:26.50 | abrotman | elik: well .. it's not 9xx |
| 16:27.11 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 16:27.11 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 16:27.19 | roxy_ | !cups |
| 16:27.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 16:27.19 | JulienH | pipeline: when the port 80 is in a filtered state, the http server becomes simply unreachable... so it is a issue for me. |
| 16:27.38 | abrotman | JulienH: maybe you've exceeded your bandwidth limit |
| 16:27.42 | elik | abrotman, I checked out linux laptop, only found a Ubuntu install on a 7330 GZ |
| 16:27.56 | nvz | I took the first 10 sarge binary isos I had d/l in my home dir last night and tried to build myself a local repo from them. I used cp to merge all the pools into one from the loopback mounted isos. but I am having trouble working out how to build the releases file with apt-move |
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| 16:28.17 | abrotman | nvz: dpkg-scanpackages ? |
| 16:28.19 | JulienH | abrotman: nope, 'cause just after a restart, it works again... until it becomes filtered (yes... again :/) |
| 16:28.27 | nvz | abrotman: o.O hmm |
| 16:28.29 | elik | abrotman, what does it change if it's not 9xx? |
| 16:28.45 | abrotman | elik: nothing really .. could be a wonky USB controller |
| 16:28.49 | nvz | abrotman: doh. |
| 16:29.02 | abrotman | nvz: all better? |
| 16:29.02 | nvz | abrotman: I gotta go out to eat.. be back shortly |
| 16:29.07 | abrotman | nvz: ok .. have fun |
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| 16:31.43 | tnews | I'm in the Debian installer (etch beta 2 netinstall). The "Select and install software" screen is stuck at "Installed liferea" and has been a long while now I think.. |
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| 16:32.07 | abrotman | tnews: CROSS POSTER! |
| 16:32.20 | tnews | abrotman: I'm sorry. :) |
| 16:32.33 | abrotman | tnews: how long? |
| 16:32.47 | JulienH | So, no idea ? :-/ |
| 16:33.11 | abrotman | JulienH: is it all your server? |
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| 16:33.15 | tnews | abrotman: 10 minutes atleast. |
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| 16:33.51 | abrotman | tnews: checked the BTS? |
| 16:34.02 | tnews | bts..? |
| 16:34.08 | JulienH | abrotman: it's a rented server, so we only have one of these model :/ |
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| 16:34.37 | abrotman | JulienH: no ... i mean .. it's all yours .. it's not like a shared server? |
| 16:34.45 | abrotman | !btssmite tnews |
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| 16:35.06 | tnews | abrotman: i'm in the installer.. |
| 16:35.27 | JulienH | abrotman: a dedicated server, just "mine" yeah... rented by OVH.com (an european hosting company) |
| 16:35.29 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, sry, disconnected after caplink811_log has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 16:35.35 | abrotman | lifeea is in base ? |
| 16:35.38 | aa | valdyn: Alsa problem with tasksel has already been reported & fixed in later versions. And the installation of the packages was sufficient for OSS emulation- no additions to modules turned out to be required, even after a reboot. |
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| 16:35.42 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman will try to install the unofficial sarge install |
| 16:35.44 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: huh ? |
| 16:35.49 | abrotman | !tell Nicolas[VamUdeS] about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 16:36.05 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, I was elik a few seconds ago |
| 16:36.07 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: when you change nicks .. at least tell me you changed :) |
| 16:36.17 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, didnt notice, lol |
| 16:36.18 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: i wondered where you went :) |
| 16:36.27 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, I got booted |
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| 16:36.59 | Bitz | hi, does kernel-2.4.32 supports or works with lvm2 ? |
| 16:37.18 | DooMRunneR | hi |
| 16:37.21 | sussudio | 2.4.32? |
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| 16:38.02 | Bitz | yes, downloaded from kernel.org |
| 16:38.15 | sussudio | what does that have to do with debian? |
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| 16:38.38 | sussudio | 2.4.27 is the latest 2.4 kernel in debian. |
| 16:38.44 | abrotman | sussudio: not a darn thing .. there is no 2.4.32 in debian |
| 16:38.49 | andrea_b | hi guys |
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| 16:39.15 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 16:39.43 | Bombo | is it possible to load a network controller driver with a netinst iso? i booted debian-testing-netinst.iso but it cant establish a network connection, probably because it couldn't detect the ethernet onboard chip... its a "Yukon 88E8053 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller" |
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| 16:40.02 | Bitz | ok, does 2.4.27 supports device mapper and lvm2? |
| 16:40.15 | abrotman | but you're not going to use 2.4.27 |
| 16:40.34 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, well, it would seem like you are a bot considering your answers per mins (apm) |
| 16:40.47 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, you are just more sophisticated than dpkg |
| 16:40.55 | Bitz | if it has the feature i needed |
| 16:40.59 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: i passed the turing test :) |
| 16:41.02 | andrea_b | I have a little problem with Xorg and video player: when I switch resolution (e.g. from 1600x1200 to 1024x768), all my video players (mplayer, totem, etc) don't work: apparently the players work fine, but the screen stay black or blue. What can I do? |
| 16:41.14 | KimmoA | Just installed Debian (floppies/network). Nice installer. Why doesn't it ask to install an sshd? Don't tell me that Debian is aimed towards non-servers or something... |
| 16:41.17 | Bitz | just want to get lvm2 working |
| 16:41.27 | abrotman | andrea_b: don't change resolutions ? |
| 16:41.54 | abrotman | KimmoA: i think it is installed |
| 16:42.00 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, LOL for turing test :P |
| 16:42.10 | KimmoA | abrotman: Well... I found nothing in the processes... |
| 16:42.12 | abrotman | andrea_b: might be a bug in the driver .. check the bts |
| 16:42.12 | Bitz | i guess i will have to try it out, right? |
| 16:42.27 | abrotman | KimmoA: maybe they don't want any open ports installed by default? |
| 16:42.55 | andrea_b | abrotman: resolution change works perfectly... only video players don't work |
| 16:43.04 | andrea_b | abrotman: what's BTS? |
| 16:43.09 | abrotman | !bts |
| 16:43.10 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 16:43.35 | andrea_b | British Toxicology Society? |
| 16:43.48 | andrea_b | alright |
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| 16:44.17 | andrea_b | actually I have UBUNTU :-\ |
| 16:44.22 | andrea_b | sorry guys |
| 16:44.29 | andrea_b | where's an Ubuntu chan? |
| 16:44.30 | formorer | wrong channel |
| 16:44.35 | formorer | #ubuntu |
| 16:44.35 | ricky_clarkson | #ubuntu |
| 16:44.41 | andrea_b | ehm |
| 16:44.43 | abrotman | oh i know! |
| 16:44.45 | andrea_b | thank you guys |
| 16:44.46 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 16:44.47 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
| 16:44.49 | kimo | I appologize for being OT, but has anyone found a DRM'd media file?? (I wanna download one, for *testing*, but weirdly cant find any) |
| 16:45.01 | KimmoA | abrotman: At least they should ask... |
| 16:45.08 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:45.10 | andrea_b | there are too many distros... |
| 16:45.15 | pipeline | kimo: ask someone to rip a disc with WMA for you. |
| 16:45.23 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, about this uunofficial install, I see many indications on the page... Do I have something special to do if I install from scratches |
| 16:45.24 | ricky_clarkson | andrea_b: And they all suck. |
| 16:45.24 | pipeline | andrea_b: Ask the other distributions channels about that. This is #debian. We talk about #debian. |
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| 16:45.38 | pipeline | kimo: WMP applies DRM by default |
| 16:45.40 | ricky_clarkson | pipeline: #debian is such a great channel. |
| 16:45.50 | pipeline | ricky_clarkson: snarky, rude, overpopulated, you betcha :) |
| 16:45.52 | abrotman | apt: releases |
| 16:45.56 | apt | releases are Look at http://www.debian.org/releases/ ! There is a website for a reason! |
| 16:45.57 | censor | hi all |
| 16:46.06 | ricky_clarkson | Let the reason be love. |
| 16:46.16 | pipeline | ricky_clarkson: That said, I find it hilarious that Ubuntu finds it so difficult to build a community :P |
| 16:46.17 | kimo | pipeline: so, I cant find ready made ones! (been searching for 2 days now!!) |
| 16:46.40 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, if this image doesnt work, I'll try etch |
| 16:46.40 | pipeline | kimo: The only reasons anyone would ever apply drm are a.) foolishness (aforementioned WMP default) or b.) because they want to sell it to you. |
| 16:46.49 | andrea_b | I was talking about a general linux problem |
| 16:47.08 | KimmoA | I thought that pipeline was mistyping my nickname several times... |
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| 16:47.23 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: ok |
| 16:47.26 | andrea_b | many distributions => many bugs => many releases => more work => more money => less software |
| 16:48.02 | andrea_b | this is my main problem with linux |
| 16:48.19 | censor | i'm trying to install etch with debian-installer from a netinst disc on a server with a adaptec scsi controller and an intel storage RAID controller, it all works pretty well but when i reboot the system i get and error saying "/dev/sda1 does not exist, dropping to shell" ... it seems as if the right modules are there, because the installer can mount the drive to install on it! |
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| 16:48.28 | pipeline | andrea_b: Tough shit. Ask #ubuntu. |
| 16:48.44 | pipeline | andrea_b: Not to mention, at the end of the day, only three distributions actually matter: Redhat, Novell, and Debian. |
| 16:49.14 | pipeline | andrea_b: everything else is a fad :P |
| 16:49.16 | formorer | *g* |
| 16:49.35 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, about the d-i install, anything special I have to do, they give lots of instructions, but thought it was if I tried to install after I had something already installed |
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| 16:49.56 | abrotman | eh ? |
| 16:50.13 | formorer | pipeline: not to mention that debian is the "real stuff" |
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| 16:50.25 | shogunx | pipeline slackware is a fad? |
| 16:50.28 | ricky_clarkson | Slackware is a longer-standing fad than Debian so far, apparently. |
| 16:50.44 | ricky_clarkson | lag-- |
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| 16:51.06 | abrotman | slackware is dying |
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| 16:51.25 | shogunx | its that like polyester bell bottoms coming back in style, so all the mainframe guys pulled them out of the storage in the attic cause they knew they would be in again? |
| 16:52.04 | [bsd] | hi, friends! |
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| 16:52.55 | [bsd] | congrats! debian is picking up on development ... |
| 16:53.05 | censor | what's wrong if i get "/dev/sda1 does not exist, dropping to shell" when i reboot after installing etch ? |
| 16:53.09 | shogunx | abrotman well, thats KIND OF accurate... the main slackware guy has been sick. |
| 16:53.18 | shogunx | but i think he got better. |
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| 16:53.35 | abrotman | shogunx: didn't mean like that |
| 16:53.44 | shogunx | :) |
| 16:53.52 | pipeline | shogunx: Was a fad. Past tense. |
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| 16:54.02 | shogunx | happy sunday. |
| 16:54.11 | abrotman | why can't it be warmer! |
| 16:54.20 | pipeline | abrotman: Because you touch yourself. |
| 16:54.26 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | uh |
| 16:54.56 | shogunx | censor your fstab does not know where /dev/sda1 is? |
| 16:55.11 | shogunx | or oyur root filesystem, rather. |
| 16:56.06 | markuzz | !apt |
| 16:56.06 | dpkg | [apt] Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 16:56.14 | markuzz | !apt-get |
| 16:56.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 16:56.19 | censor | shogun i'll check in a sec (takes quite long to boot), but i know that i can access the partition via /dev/disks/disc0/part1 from the rescue system |
| 16:56.39 | censor | when i pass that to grub as root=, it still drops me to a shell |
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| 16:58.50 | censor | shogunx but wouldn't grub first need to know where to look for the fstab? and it can't if it doesn't find the root? |
| 16:58.54 | shogunx | censor is it a scsi disk or sata? |
| 16:59.04 | censor | scsi, raid 1 |
| 16:59.20 | shogunx | censor hw or sw raid? |
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| 16:59.24 | censor | hw |
| 16:59.34 | stew | ugh, sid aka unstable did create a log of broken factoids |
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| 17:00.19 | shogunx | censor hmm. if its dropping to a shell, an actual shell, then its finding a root filesystem of some type, or it would have nowhere to load a shell from. |
| 17:00.35 | shogunx | does your box use initrd? |
| 17:00.44 | censor | shogunx its a busybox shell, not a "real" system shell |
| 17:00.51 | censor | yes |
| 17:00.52 | shogunx | ahh. |
| 17:01.27 | censor | is there any difference between the kernel used by d-i and the installed kernel? module wise |
| 17:01.58 | censor | as in "no modules for the scsi and/or raid controller" in the installed kernel ;) |
| 17:02.14 | shogunx | should be no difference. |
| 17:02.19 | cbr | anybody got a .deb for kopete 0.12? |
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| 17:03.21 | shogunx | censor grub is dropping you to a shell, or does the kernel load a bit then drop to a shell? |
| 17:04.47 | censor | i think the kernel loads, then says that /dev/sda1 doesn't exist ... but let me check again ... it's not that grub drops me to the shell instantly |
| 17:05.12 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, the install looks a lot like default one... |
| 17:05.40 | shogunx | censor and are you sure your raid device names disks /dev/sdx and not /dev/somethingelse? |
| 17:06.06 | censor | uh, not really, how can i check that? |
| 17:06.12 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: it is .. just newer kernel |
| 17:06.48 | shogunx | censor kernel documentation on that raid card. |
| 17:08.09 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, oh.... ok |
| 17:08.52 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, which kernel is the old sarge installer installing? |
| 17:09.06 | censor | shogunx i got a new error, 15, directly from Grub saying that "file not found", let's reinstall again.... |
| 17:09.17 | shogunx | censor... also, as it boots, read the printk outputs... does it initialize your raid/scsi card before dropping to a shell? |
| 17:09.24 | shogunx | odd. |
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| 17:09.56 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: 2.6.8 |
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| 17:11.07 | censor | shogunx i'll do, takes a bit now |
| 17:12.14 | shogunx | no worries, censor. |
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| 17:13.22 | kuhwallskee | I'm trying to figure out what's up with my sound.. I try to use xmms to play some music, but it says it isn't configured right, or it's in use by another program... It was working before, but now it's not.. anyone have any ideas? |
| 17:13.52 | censor | the d-i kernel just says "SCSI subsystem initialised", but no explicit devices - but it knows about the drives, as i can install on them?! |
| 17:14.07 | SerajewelKS | what is the license on /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/scalable/apps/clock.svgz (in kdebase-data)? the copyright file says that all programs are under GPL or LGPL, and does not mention icons at all. |
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| 17:14.51 | hocus | whhi, why i can't execute shutdown command from a kde hotkey ? |
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| 17:14.55 | shogunx | censor what about the raid? |
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| 17:15.16 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, here we go for the 1st reboot |
| 17:15.20 | riot | what audio-recorder |
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| 17:15.24 | riot | -software would you suggest? |
| 17:15.29 | riot | oops |
| 17:15.32 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: and? |
| 17:15.41 | censor | shogunx i don't see any output of it at all in the d-i console on tty2 |
| 17:15.53 | censor | from dmesg |
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| 17:16.02 | shogunx | censor can you manually load the raid modules? |
| 17:16.03 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, seems to be working, I saw a dhcp discover from 192.168.0.1 |
| 17:16.04 | abrotman | ow |
| 17:16.07 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: yay |
| 17:16.09 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !!!! IT WORKS!!! |
| 17:16.14 | Kadran | hi, which one is recommended to use stable, testing or unstable? |
| 17:16.23 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: yay!! |
| 17:16.32 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | fuck abrotman, you're the man :P |
| 17:16.44 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: do you want your box to be stable, break sometimes, or break a lot? |
| 17:17.11 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: do i get a beer? |
| 17:17.19 | Kadran | SerajewelKS: i want it to have the latest kde |
| 17:17.24 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !beer |
| 17:17.24 | dpkg | i heard beer is liquid gold mate |
| 17:17.32 | ricky_clarkson | Kadran: Latest is a misnomer in software. |
| 17:17.35 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | there ;) |
| 17:17.41 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: unstable will have the latest KDE. but it might not work. |
| 17:17.42 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: be aware .. that is an unoffficial kernel .. you'll have to watch for security updates |
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| 17:17.54 | SerajewelKS | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: (try "!beer abrotman") |
| 17:17.59 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, which I could send you one by mail, but it would be hot by then |
| 17:18.00 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: were you going to run etch on it |
| 17:18.05 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !beer abrotman |
| 17:18.08 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:18.14 | abrotman | none of that Molson XXX crap :) |
| 17:18.16 | Kadran | SerajewelKS: i use kubuntu, and i was thinking of trying debian |
| 17:18.19 | ricky_clarkson | Kadran: The latest KDE would be achieved by pulling together all the code from every developer's machine and compiling and running that - almost always it won't compile. |
| 17:18.21 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | thx SerajewelKS |
| 17:18.25 | SerajewelKS | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: np =) |
| 17:18.46 | SlayerXP | ricky_clarkson: and would also be out of date within hours at most. |
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| 17:18.55 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: testing is fairly stable (i use it), and usually keeps up alright, but it *does break* |
| 17:19.10 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: and if you don't know much about how debian does things you will have a hard time fixing it yourself |
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| 17:19.51 | censor | shogunx when i try modprobe /lib/mod..../aic79xx.ko i get "fatal: module [..] not found" |
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| 17:20.06 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, for the security update, do I only have to do apt-get upgrade once in a while? |
| 17:20.06 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: right now the X.org transition has reportedly broken some things, although i haven't had much trouble. |
| 17:20.26 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: in testing, that is. |
| 17:20.37 | shogunx | censor that is the module for the scsi, correct? |
| 17:20.46 | SerajewelKS | [repeat] what is the license on /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/scalable/apps/clock.svgz (in kdebase-data)? the copyright file says that all programs are under GPL or LGPL, and does not mention icons at all. |
| 17:20.47 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | abrotman, I am not realy concerned by security, wont be constantly plugged into a wall and wont have much of personnal infos since it's a group laptop... in worst case, wipe and reinstall |
| 17:21.00 | shogunx | which is already there? perhaps built into the kernel? |
| 17:21.05 | Kadran | SerajewelKS: i want to change to debian for my desktop, is that ok? |
| 17:21.08 | SerajewelKS | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 17:21.14 | censor | shogunx the scsi is a adaptec 7988 afaik, and the intel addon board ... i don't know |
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| 17:21.37 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: i use testing on my desktop, but be prepared to come in here a lot with questions about breakage and have people flame you for using testing instead of stable. |
| 17:21.44 | shogunx | if your scsi disks are showing up, then your problem is not the scsi card module. |
| 17:21.49 | censor | shogunx but the thing is, it finds the drives |
| 17:21.50 | censor | right |
| 17:22.03 | censor | at least in d-i |
| 17:22.05 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: if you can't demonstrate that you know enough about debian to use testing, people will be more reluctant to help you with it, as using testing usually implies that you know what you're doing. |
| 17:22.27 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: granted it doesn't break often, so if it works and you don't do a dist-upgrade you should be good |
| 17:22.36 | shogunx | censor, its the raid module in question now. |
| 17:23.08 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: obviously, don't use testing in a server environment, at least not a production server (but i doubt that's your intent) |
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| 17:23.34 | shogunx | censor bounce over to the installer shell and try to mount one of your scsi disks' partitions at /dev/sda1. |
| 17:23.51 | SerajewelKS | my, not a lot of licensing/copyright people here today |
| 17:24.07 | Kadran | SerajewelKS: ah i c, thanks alot SerajewelKS, when i finish the download i guess i will see you later :) |
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| 17:24.20 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: np, if you need with testing i will try to help. |
| 17:25.08 | Kadran | SerajewelKS: thanks |
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| 17:25.28 | Seven_Six_Two | I just did an smart update of etch, and now i keep getting Sound server fatal error: |
| 17:25.28 | Seven_Six_Two | cpu overload, aborting |
| 17:25.35 | KARO | :adrian ; why are you running away |
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| 17:25.39 | censor | shogunx i'm in d-i at the partitioner, if offers me SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) |
| 17:26.00 | SerajewelKS | Seven_Six_Two: what is the sound server error? |
| 17:26.10 | Seven_Six_Two | arts is using all available cpu |
| 17:26.18 | SerajewelKS | Seven_Six_Two: oh, that's it, sorry thought that was something else |
| 17:26.22 | shogunx | censor ok. |
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| 17:26.30 | shogunx | no sdb? |
| 17:26.31 | Seven_Six_Two | that is an artsmessage popup |
| 17:26.50 | SerajewelKS | Seven_Six_Two: what happens if you try to play an mp3/oggvorbis file with mpg321/ogg123 |
| 17:27.04 | Seven_Six_Two | SerajewelKS: i'll let you know in a sec |
| 17:27.06 | censor | shogunx no, it's a RAID1 |
| 17:27.40 | censor | (both disk mirrored as 1 disk) |
| 17:27.40 | SerajewelKS | Seven_Six_Two: ok (btw it's not necessary to tell me you're going to do it, since i assume you will unless you say otherwise, just do it and let me know what happens) |
| 17:27.46 | shogunx | censor... right, but i wanted to verify that the radi modules were there. |
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| 17:27.52 | shogunx | raid^^ |
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| 17:28.37 | shogunx | censor: honestly, i would try without the initrd. just comment that line in grub. |
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| 17:29.09 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !beer abrotman |
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| 17:29.20 | hocus | how do i save changes made with visudo ? |
| 17:29.26 | ricky_clarkson | :wq |
| 17:29.48 | censor | shogunx okay, you mean at the grub menu, edit the the entry and remove the initrd? or in the d-i somewhere already? and what about the modules if i don't have a initrd? |
| 17:29.52 | hocus | thx ricky |
| 17:30.26 | blondie | what's the easiest way of burning DVD images (CLI)? |
| 17:30.31 | shogunx | censor modules listed in /etc/modules. yes, you can use the grub shell to test that. |
| 17:31.27 | censor | shogunx dmesg now tells me about the RAID controller, SCRMR |
| 17:31.35 | nvz | how the hell do I tell apt that I dont want something it hasnt isntalled... I tried to dpkg -i apt-build the other night and it had missing deps and now it keeps trying to install it I changed my mind I dont need apt-build and dont want to install it |
| 17:31.35 | blondie | FRAIER: do you mind? |
| 17:31.39 | shogunx | censor, cool. |
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| 17:31.49 | SerajewelKS | since the last dist-upgrade of etch, mediawiki spits out 'Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert(). in /home/chris/public_html/mywiki/includes/MimeMagic.php on line 506' when viewing Image: pages. I noticed that some mime magic files were updated -- could this be related? |
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| 17:32.05 | plasmoduck_ | hey I installed squrrilmail, how do I use it now? |
| 17:32.06 | censor | shogunx so if i just comment initrd, how does the kernel get the modules then? sorry for being dumb ;) |
| 17:32.20 | blondie | plasmoduck_: you have to configure it for your imap server |
| 17:32.24 | plasmoduck_ | http://ip/squrrilmail don't work |
| 17:32.28 | blondie | there's a script somewhere that does it |
| 17:32.28 | karo | just g |
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| 17:32.32 | plasmoduck_ | I mean the actual interface |
| 17:32.40 | nvz | ah apt-get remove worked, I guess it was installed |
| 17:32.49 | ram___ | how do I install the X server? apt-get install ____________ |
| 17:32.55 | shogunx | censor from the root filesystem, instead of the ramdisk. the kernel will load modules in /etc/modules at boot time. |
| 17:32.58 | blondie | plasmoduck_: ln -s /usr/share/squirrelmail /var/www/webmail |
| 17:33.01 | DerJamster | ram___: 'x-window-system' |
| 17:33.05 | DerJamster | will install everything you need. |
| 17:33.09 | shogunx | censor, failing that, i would build the modules into the kernel. |
| 17:33.12 | DerJamster | (and more) |
| 17:33.13 | ram___ | DerJamster: thanks! |
| 17:33.15 | shogunx | instead of modules. |
| 17:33.53 | plasmoduck_ | Error connecting to IMAP server: localhost. |
| 17:33.54 | plasmoduck_ | 111 : Connection refused |
| 17:34.04 | censor | shogunx hmm, let's see how that will work if it doesn't find the root, hehe |
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| 17:34.08 | sander_ | anyonw know about openvpn? |
| 17:34.09 | hocus | ricky_clarkson> i added username ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown with visudo and saved but executing shutdown says "u need to be root" why ? |
| 17:34.10 | blondie | plasmoduck_: did you do the imap configuring? :P |
| 17:34.30 | sander_ | wondring if it is possible to make several openvpn clients connect to one openvpn server.. in tcp mode?.. with just static certeficates? |
| 17:34.36 | shogunx | censor, thinking about the execution order now. |
| 17:34.46 | plasmoduck_ | blondie: where do I do that? in /usr/share/squrrilmail? |
| 17:34.59 | shogunx | censor, i usually build monolithic kernels, and never use initrds. |
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| 17:35.19 | ricky_clarkson | hocus: Probably you are not root, and you need to be root. Seems straightforward to me. |
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| 17:35.31 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: enjoy |
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| 17:35.43 | ricky_clarkson | hocus: Which version of Debian are you using, btw? |
| 17:35.44 | censor | shogunx may it help if i pass root=/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 instead of root=/dev/sda1 in grub? |
| 17:35.54 | Chroni | hi question can I install prebuilt packages in debian , cause I've been in gentoo and it's not possible or it's really a mess |
| 17:35.55 | shogunx | censor quite possibly. |
| 17:35.57 | Seven_Six_Two | SerajewelKS: ok. It can't find audio device. so I pointed it to /dev/dsp which i then discovered doesn't exist. so i dmesg'd and found the sound module is installed and in use. |
| 17:36.06 | blondie | plasmoduck_: no, /usr/sbin/squirrelmail-configure |
| 17:36.10 | blondie | plasmoduck_: (run that) |
| 17:36.26 | hocus | ricky_clarkson> debian sarge |
| 17:36.42 | ram_einstein | how do I install win32 audio/video codecs? |
| 17:36.46 | zebalin4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:37.13 | abrotman | zebalin4: yeah .. there is one .. |
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| 17:37.19 | hocus | ricky_clarkson> i changed the sudoers file with visudo just to let an account which is not root to shutdown ;) |
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| 17:37.30 | zebalin4 | abrotman: is it gLabels? |
| 17:37.34 | abrotman | i think so |
| 17:37.41 | ricky_clarkson | hocus: You need to be root to edit suders. |
| 17:37.43 | ricky_clarkson | sudoers. |
| 17:37.52 | zebalin4 | Do you know off hand if there is a deb package for it? |
| 17:37.59 | hocus | edited sudoers as root |
| 17:38.02 | Seven_Six_Two | zebalin4: there is |
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| 17:38.07 | abrotman | !find glabels sarge |
| 17:38.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'glabels' (4 of 6): (/usr/share/xlog/qsllabels.glabels) in hamradio/xlog ;; (/usr/lib/icon-ipl/{glabels.icn|glabels.u1|glabels.u2}) in devel/icon-ipl ;; (/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kst/Screenshot-kst-plotdialoglabels.png) in doc/kst-doc ;; (/usr/lib/menu/glabels, /usr/share/pixmaps/glabels.xpm, /usr/bin/{glabels|glabels-batch}) in gnome/glabels. |
| 17:38.24 | blondie | will cdrecord on sarge burn DVDs? |
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| 17:38.27 | abrotman | !info glabels |
| 17:38.28 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !beer abrotman |
| 17:38.30 | dpkg | glabels: (label, business card and media cover creation program for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.1.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 343 kB, Installed size: 1004 kB |
| 17:38.35 | formorer | blondie: no, but growisofs |
| 17:38.42 | ram_einstein | how do I enable UDF support in my kernel? a kernel module? |
| 17:38.54 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !drunken abrotman |
| 17:39.02 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !drunk abrotman |
| 17:39.05 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !beer abrotman |
| 17:39.07 | zebalin4 | abrotman: do you think is will run with KDE (synaptic runs and its a gnome/gtk app.) |
| 17:39.10 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | bah... |
| 17:39.11 | blondie | !botrape |
| 17:39.12 | dpkg | STOP!!! please... no more... |
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| 17:39.27 | censor | btw, is there a mirror for security.debian.org? is so damn slow... |
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| 17:39.50 | Seven_Six_Two | zebalin4: iot runs fine in kde |
| 17:39.57 | formorer | censor: debian.netcologne.de should be suitable for you |
| 17:40.01 | unlink | how do i remove a package and everything it installed as dependencies except what other new packages depend on? |
| 17:40.02 | ram_einstein | I'm unable to mount DVDs... |
| 17:40.07 | hocus | ricky_clarkson> btw there are other ways to allow an user do shutdown ? |
| 17:40.07 | ram_einstein | how do I enable UDF support in my kernel? a kernel module? |
| 17:40.09 | shogunx | censor one of the hosts in the round-robin is ALWAYS slow. in might not even be there anymore. |
| 17:40.19 | ricky_clarkson | hocus: No idea. |
| 17:40.26 | censor | formorer thanks |
| 17:40.26 | abrotman | i just got nailed by a speeder bike |
| 17:40.33 | ricky_clarkson | hocus: sudo works for me. |
| 17:40.35 | formorer | censor: no problem |
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| 17:40.57 | hocus | ok let's ask to the others : there are other ways than sudoers to allow an user do shutdown ? |
| 17:41.09 | formorer | censor: we synced last time 2 hours ago, so it should be uptodate :) |
| 17:41.23 | hocus | ricky_clarkson> username ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown |
| 17:41.24 | SerajewelKS | secure-testing.d.n is down? |
| 17:41.25 | censor | aaah, it's a rr-dns, i was already wondering that there are no mirrors ;) |
| 17:41.27 | hocus | IS RIGHT ? |
| 17:41.38 | SerajewelKS | hocus: sure |
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| 17:41.54 | hocus | but it still dont't let me shut |
| 17:41.59 | censor | formorer you're from NC? |
| 17:42.04 | SerajewelKS | hocus: how are you invoking shutdown? |
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| 17:42.09 | ram_einstein | :( |
| 17:42.11 | hocus | Konsole |
| 17:42.19 | unlink | say i install package X which depends on Y and Z, and later i have forgotten what Y and Z are, but i want to remove X and what apt-get install X installed as extra packages (ie Y and Z). is this possible to achieve automatically? |
| 17:42.21 | blondie | formorer: k thanks |
| 17:42.25 | SerajewelKS | hocus: let me rephrase that. what are you typing? |
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| 17:42.34 | formorer | censor: no, but its my mirror |
| 17:42.34 | hocus | shutdown -f |
| 17:42.38 | DerJamster | unlink: I use debfoster for that. |
| 17:42.42 | censor | ah, okay |
| 17:42.45 | freeone3000 | Hi, where's grub store its conf? It's not in /etc for some reason, but apt reports it as installed. |
| 17:42.54 | DerJamster | freeone3000: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:42.54 | formorer | hocus: /etc/shutdown.allow |
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| 17:42.58 | SerajewelKS | hocus: yeah, you need to use sudo |
| 17:43.03 | freeone3000 | DerJamster: Thank you. |
| 17:43.05 | SerajewelKS | hocus: sudo /sbin/shutdown |
| 17:43.21 | SerajewelKS | hocus: note that the rule you put in sudoers does not allow you to pass parameters to shutdown |
| 17:43.35 | hocus | so what i've tochange ? |
| 17:43.41 | hocus | <SerajewelKS> |
| 17:43.41 | formorer | hocus: see man shutdown for more infos an that feature |
| 17:44.01 | unlink | DerJamster: hmm, it says this package is deprecated and aptitude has a superset of its functionality |
| 17:44.12 | SerajewelKS | hocus: see the sudoers manpage, or look at man shutdown for the preferred way to do this |
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| 17:44.51 | DerJamster | unlink: yeah. Personal choice on my side. |
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| 17:45.08 | unlink | DerJamster: *nod* |
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| 17:45.53 | DerJamster | I just know how to use debfoster, it works, it's small and easy to use. Another reason might be that I still don't use Aptitude, so.. ;P |
| 17:46.09 | DerJamster | If you're an Aptitude user...try the build-in functionality. |
| 17:46.32 | nvz | bah using xvncviewer to connect to the windows box from debian isnt working for unknown reasons and its being a royal pima cause I have only one screen right now :P |
| 17:46.36 | Kadran | SerajewelKS: hi |
| 17:46.41 | Kadran | SerajewelKS: there is a big gap between stable releases, is that normal? |
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| 17:47.01 | unlink | DerJamster: i'm equally unfamiliar with both ;) |
| 17:47.13 | DerJamster | Kadran: Yeah. They're trying to make that gap smaller, but it will still stay at around one year I guess. |
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| 17:47.35 | ram_einstein | anyone know of a text-mode M$ document renderer? I just need to view one and ooo/abiword is an overkill |
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| 17:47.45 | blondie | ram_einstein: yes |
| 17:47.55 | blondie | ram_einstein: presuming you mean Word |
| 17:48.02 | ram_einstein | yea |
| 17:48.10 | ram_einstein | what? |
| 17:48.12 | fresch | sh> dd if=/dev/hda | gzip -sc | nc 192.168.10.3 would that work? |
| 17:48.13 | blondie | wv |
| 17:48.15 | DerJamster | unlink: debfoster works like this..install it, run debfoster -i, answer 'yes' to all packages that you want to keep. the rest will be removed, including unused dependencies. next time you install something and run debfoster -i, it will just ask about the things that have been installed since then |
| 17:48.29 | DerJamster | unlink: and to have everything asked about again..debfoster -ni |
| 17:48.31 | DerJamster | That's pretty much it. |
| 17:48.32 | ram_einstein | blondie: thanks! |
| 17:48.32 | blondie | fresch: no, the syntax for nc is wrong |
| 17:48.41 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: debian releases are made WIR, as with most open source stuff |
| 17:48.55 | ricky_clarkson | !wir |
| 17:48.55 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 17:48.57 | fresch | blondie, ok then: nc 192.168.10.3 9000 |
| 17:49.05 | Kadran | SerajewelKS: what o you mean of WIR? |
| 17:49.13 | ricky_clarkson | Kadran: See what the bot said. |
| 17:49.16 | unlink | DerJamster: wow, that's really nice |
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| 17:49.23 | blondie | fresch: also, depending on the network speed, I wouldn't use gzip |
| 17:49.24 | DerJamster | unlink: I love it :> |
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| 17:49.40 | fresch | blondie, 80GB over 100MBit |
| 17:49.46 | Kadran | thanks |
| 17:49.52 | SerajewelKS | Kadran: When It's Ready |
| 17:49.55 | clars | what is the name of the amd64 channel? |
| 17:50.00 | Kadran | !RSN |
| 17:50.00 | dpkg | i heard rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 17:50.01 | DerJamster | unlink: additionally, you can set #use-recommends in debfoster.conf to no, so it treads 'recommended' packages as seperate packages and not dependencies. |
| 17:50.03 | blondie | #debian-amd64? |
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| 17:50.16 | Kadran | !SIYH |
| 17:50.17 | dpkg | somebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 17:50.18 | clars | blondie: ;-) |
| 17:50.21 | censor | shogunx alright, isntall is done, just booted without changing anything, kernel loads, the somewhen goes like "mounting root" and then says it doesn't find sda1 => shell |
| 17:50.27 | SerajewelKS | !tell Kadran about msg the bot |
| 17:50.33 | blondie | fresch: I've found transferring large files over fast network is slower with compression enabled |
| 17:50.34 | unlink | DerJamster: i think the aptitude equivalent is markauto/unmarkauto |
| 17:50.35 | censor | shogunx so it finds the kernel, just can't mount root |
| 17:50.39 | ram_einstein | blondie: know a similar one that edits too? |
| 17:50.50 | blondie | ram_einstein: not CLI mode |
| 17:50.57 | Kadran | oh thanks |
| 17:51.22 | DerJamster | unlink: could be..tho I've not yet read about it. :> What I like about debfoster is, that I can just have it ask me about every installed package on my system, up to down, if I want to do Spring Cleaning. |
| 17:51.43 | jetscreamer | i want information about the why, about the move to oftc |
| 17:51.50 | jetscreamer | where is the why |
| 17:51.50 | ram_einstein | blondie: what's close? (minimalistic) |
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| 17:53.02 | blondie | ram_einstein: the only thing I use is abiword |
| 17:53.04 | ram_einstein | jetscreamer: a little clearer in speech please? |
| 17:53.13 | ram_einstein | blondie: I see |
| 17:53.22 | jetscreamer | why |
| 17:53.24 | blondie | jetscreamer: there is no why |
| 17:53.31 | jetscreamer | there is always a why |
| 17:53.36 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: The dpkg factoid tells me enough. |
| 17:53.42 | blondie | well, no valid reason imo |
| 17:54.01 | ricky_clarkson | Consistency, and anti-lilo sentiment. |
| 17:54.06 | ram_einstein | it's too bloated for me |
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| 17:54.40 | blondie | ram_einstein: the other solution is to not use proprietary formats :P |
| 17:55.40 | callee | how can i add msttcorefonts and other fonts to xorg? |
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| 17:55.43 | kici | xixi |
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| 17:55.57 | blondie | what a n00b |
| 17:56.07 | callee | i have already installed the package, but still it remains hidden from xorg itself |
| 17:56.08 | censor | shogunx i tried with removing the initrd line, and passing the /dev/scsi/host0... line as root, still says it can't find it |
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| 17:56.52 | jetscreamer | edit xorg.conf callee |
| 17:57.01 | Bonzodog | hi people |
| 17:57.08 | DerJamster | callee: put the paths of the fonts into xorg.conf |
| 17:57.10 | callee | jetscreamer: i did |
| 17:57.13 | DerJamster | callee: the ms fonts are.. |
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| 17:57.28 | Bonzodog | trying to set the console font in framebuffer |
| 17:57.28 | DerJamster | /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ |
| 17:57.30 | DerJamster | there |
| 17:57.41 | nvz | I had been wondering why my network has been timing out randomly lately only to find my nic hanging half way out of the pci socket :P |
| 17:57.47 | DerJamster | callee: in case this is for flash, don't forget to also install gsfonts and gsfonts-x11 |
| 17:57.49 | callee | Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/, removing from list! |
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| 17:58.00 | bnovc | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Qf6cot14.html |
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| 17:58.03 | callee | thats DerJamster same happens with gsfonts |
| 17:58.05 | bnovc | how should i go about getting rid of all of those messages |
| 17:58.12 | DerJamster | callee: dhe dirs exist? |
| 17:58.16 | callee | yes |
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| 17:58.22 | DerJamster | callee: hokay, one sec.. |
| 17:59.22 | DerJamster | callee: update-fonts-dir /the/dir. the same with update-fonts-alias and update-fonts-scale |
| 17:59.25 | DerJamster | then restart x |
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| 18:00.16 | abrotman | bnovc: fix the symlinks |
| 18:01.20 | bnovc | abrotman, my system is working fine w/o those apparently, so could i safely delete them? |
| 18:01.43 | bnovc | i'm not familiar with any of those names .. not sure what they do |
| 18:01.45 | roxy_ | cups gives me "a printer not connected error" but it is connected via usb port. How can I check where the problem is? |
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| 18:02.42 | PSIplus | Hi! |
| 18:02.50 | callee | DerJamster: will that also include the subdirectories? |
| 18:02.56 | jetscreamer | thanks ricky_clarkson ... still no real reason, but it helps |
| 18:03.01 | callee | or only the directory specified |
| 18:03.08 | PSIplus | I've different USB disk drives, witch are detected in different ways... Is there a way to detect/mount them based on their disk label? |
| 18:03.16 | DerJamster | callee: ah..no, AFAIK. Only the specificed ones. |
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| 18:05.44 | nvz | abrotman: I need the for dummies version on how to turn my pool into a usable repo I am having no luck |
| 18:06.02 | abrotman | bnovc: just leave them .. not hurting anything |
| 18:06.13 | abrotman | !repository |
| 18:06.13 | dpkg | debian repository is, like, a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 18:06.32 | blondie | I find apt-proxy works well for that kinda thing |
| 18:06.35 | unlink | how do you get the list of files in a package from the local package database? |
| 18:06.48 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 18:06.58 | PSIplus | better: |
| 18:07.02 | roxy_ | dpkg -S |
| 18:07.03 | PSIplus | if you want to re-import it |
| 18:07.07 | PSIplus | jep |
| 18:07.08 | PSIplus | :-) |
| 18:07.25 | abrotman | unlink: oh .. dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 18:07.48 | unlink | ah, dpkg |
| 18:08.01 | PSIplus | dpkg --get-selections |
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| 18:08.12 | streuner | roxy_: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 18:08.12 | unlink | thanks |
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| 18:09.05 | roxy_ | streuner: Linux version 2.6.15-1-486 (Debian 2.6.15-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #2 Mon Mar 6 15:19:16 UTC 2006 |
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| 18:09.45 | streuner | roxy_: an USB printer on a local box? |
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| 18:09.53 | roxy_ | streuner: yes |
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| 18:10.21 | streuner | roxy_: check out /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 18:10.31 | roxy_ | streuner: thanks |
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| 18:11.13 | roxy_ | streuner: my printer was working few days ago. |
| 18:11.34 | streuner | roxy_: so what do you think happend in the meantime? |
| 18:12.13 | nakeee | after upgrading to xorg 7.0 now I get arning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*--*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" to type FontStruct |
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| 18:12.14 | nakeee | any idea what can cause it? |
| 18:12.25 | roxy_ | streuner: so much, after rebooting I got boot problem, then networking problem and now I reach the printing problem, I am on it since friday evening |
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| 18:13.02 | streuner | roxy_: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 18:14.29 | roxy_ | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 18:15.19 | streuner | roxy_: do you see the printer via 'lsusb'? |
| 18:16.06 | roxy_ | streuner: yes |
| 18:16.22 | roxy_ | streuner: Bus 004 Device 005: ID 04b8:0005 Seiko Epson Corp. Stylus Printer |
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| 18:16.54 | streuner | roxy_: try to configure the printer again via http://localhost:631 |
| 18:18.42 | roxy_ | streuner: I did it and get the :" Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds..." message |
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| 18:21.39 | streuner | roxy_: check out the factoid dpkg gave you and change the entry for "Device" there |
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| 18:23.09 | Chty | hello |
| 18:23.20 | streuner | roxy_: ... in http://localhost:631 |
| 18:23.21 | Chty | I'm in unstable |
| 18:23.43 | bnovc | mail.info .err and .log are all empty and exim4's log is empty too but i don't recieve any email from my system |
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| 18:23.50 | Chty | and my VLC dosn't work. Can I do something ? |
| 18:24.20 | SlayerXP | Chty: investigate the problem, fix it and send your patch to the package maintainer. |
| 18:25.03 | scytheman | someone who uses mpd? doesn't mpd support groups inside playlists? |
| 18:25.06 | Chty | SlayerXP, :-) |
| 18:25.51 | Chty | SlayerXP, it was juste if someone knows a way... |
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| 18:34.32 | censor | shogunx still there? |
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| 18:36.23 | streuner | !seen shogunx |
| 18:36.24 | dpkg | shogunx is currently on #debian (13h 6m 13s). Has said a total of 41 messages. Is idling for 56m 15s, last said: 'censor one of the hosts in the round-robin is ALWAYS slow. in might not even be there anymore.'. |
| 18:36.49 | roxy_ | streuner: the link you gave me is very hp centred and I can't find any devices tab on localhost:631 :-( |
| 18:36.57 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !seen abrotman |
| 18:36.57 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (6h 6m 17s). Has said a total of 186 messages. Is idling for 29m 32s, last said: 'unlink: oh .. dpkg -L <pkg>'. |
| 18:37.14 | blondie | !seen blondie |
| 18:37.14 | dpkg | blondie is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 29 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen blondie'. |
| 18:37.26 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | ispirto is such a bitch :P |
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| 18:38.40 | blondie | ispirto: shut up |
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| 18:39.08 | thingfish | you guys are on something. |
| 18:39.29 | thingfish | or I am. |
| 18:39.38 | AoA | is there any way to attach HDD while computer is on and linux running and is it posoble somehow to linux detect hardware and create dev entry ? |
| 18:39.40 | blondie | glue |
| 18:39.50 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: We're on GNU. |
| 18:39.52 | blondie | AoA: what kind of HDD? |
| 18:39.52 | thingfish | hehe |
| 18:39.59 | AoA | blondie hard disk |
| 18:40.10 | thingfish | you do not want to do that to a pata disk. |
| 18:40.10 | blondie | yes, what kind |
| 18:40.11 | abrotman | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: eh ? |
| 18:40.14 | censor | who can i tell d-i to include the module gdth in the initrd/kernel when i install my system? |
| 18:40.17 | thingfish | or maybe sata too |
| 18:40.31 | blondie | sata is designed to support hot swap (in theory) |
| 18:40.36 | thingfish | but definitely *not* a regular pata hard drive. |
| 18:40.46 | thingfish | yeah that's what I was thinking, blondie, just wasn't sure. |
| 18:40.58 | azeem | date |
| 18:41.02 | abrotman | no thanks |
| 18:41.03 | azeem | eh, wrong window |
| 18:41.06 | thingfish | hehe |
| 18:41.16 | abrotman | !date |
| 18:41.16 | dpkg | The current date is 2006.06.11 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 18:41.20 | blondie | AoA: if it's a normal IDE one, then the answer is no |
| 18:41.26 | blondie | if it's USB, then yes |
| 18:41.28 | azeem | that is useful |
| 18:41.31 | blondie | SATA; maybe |
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| 18:41.40 | abrotman | !time |
| 18:41.40 | dpkg | [time] found on http://www.time.com/, or 2006.06.11 UTC, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here! |
| 18:41.43 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:41.48 | abrotman | used to give UTC timestamp |
| 18:42.03 | ricky_clarkson | ~date |
| 18:42.05 | apt | It is now 2006.06.11 18:42:05 GMT |
| 18:42.05 | blondie | /exec date |
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| 18:42.20 | ricky_clarkson | Looks right to me. |
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| 18:42.30 | AoA | blondie I want like in windows to klick detect and that is all |
| 18:42.33 | ricky_clarkson | !literal time |
| 18:42.34 | dpkg | "time" is "found on http://www.time.com/, or $date UTC, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!" |
| 18:42.37 | AoA | or refrash |
| 18:42.46 | blondie | AoA: you still didn't answer my question! |
| 18:43.22 | AoA | blondie I have PATA hard disk |
| 18:43.58 | scytheman | someone who uses mpd? doesn't mpd support groups inside playlists? |
| 18:44.14 | blondie | AoA: you shouldn't plug in PATA harddisks when the computer is running, whatever OS it is |
| 18:44.28 | magyar | looking for domain registrars for .com |
| 18:44.30 | blondie | (unless you have a special hot swap caddy) |
| 18:44.36 | AoA | I suppose but in Windows it works great |
| 18:44.45 | blondie | AoA: if you do that, well |
| 18:44.49 | blondie | I don't want to be rude :P |
| 18:44.53 | AoA | :) |
| 18:45.22 | AoA | so, in linux it is imposibble |
| 18:45.30 | blondie | it's a stupid idea |
| 18:45.45 | blondie | I don't know if the kernel will do |
| 18:45.49 | AoA | hm...maybe |
| 18:46.09 | AoA | but kernel can do that |
| 18:46.20 | AoA | if kernel can do that on boot |
| 18:46.55 | infernix | you can kinda hotplug PATA if you remove the IDE module first. |
| 18:47.39 | ricky_clarkson | !forget time |
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| 18:51.25 | blondie | AoA: some things can only be done at boot |
| 18:51.56 | AoA | ok |
| 18:52.47 | censor | who can i tell the debian installer to include the module gdth in the initrd/kernel when i install my system? |
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| 18:56.39 | vyrus001 | im trying to install linux on an old p2 machine, it uised to have debian on it before but for some reason no matter what distro i try (ive tried slax live cd's gentoo and debian install disks) the boot stops when it gets to the stage of "mounting cdrom" for some reason no matter the distro it the system freezes there, any ideas ? |
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| 18:58.15 | roxy_ | when I do dpkg -l | grep gutenprint , everything is 4.3.99 version, but in localhost:631 everything is 5.0 version. How can I make it consistent again ? |
| 18:58.21 | AoA | vyrus001 I had the same problem |
| 18:59.07 | vyrus001 | aoa what caused it ? |
| 18:59.14 | roxy_ | vyrus001: module for the cdrom not in newer kernel ? |
| 18:59.32 | AoA | vyrus001 i tried everything, and I just change cdrom device and it works |
| 18:59.40 | vyrus001 | hm |
| 19:00.07 | roxy_ | vyrus001: did you try old distro like redhat 7.3 ? |
| 19:00.07 | vyrus001 | roxy_ well its an install so there are some limets i have with the kernel |
| 19:00.22 | vyrus001 | roxy_ the last distro i tried was an old copy of debian |
| 19:00.41 | vyrus001 | i think i might have another cd rom in here somewhere |
| 19:00.45 | vyrus001 | perhaps ill just try that |
| 19:01.43 | vyrus001 | oh well sounds like a good a plan as any... thnx |
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| 19:04.35 | AoA | Is there any way to uninstall just one package without there dependeces ? |
| 19:04.45 | AoA | I mean using aptritude (apt-get) |
| 19:05.27 | AoA | what ever I do, I have to unistall all |
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| 19:09.46 | goudkov | hi guys, if i set real-time priority for a process that needs 100% of cpu, can i still get the kernel to process mouse/keyboard/network calls at higher priority? |
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| 19:10.28 | infernix | goudkov: just nice your process below the ones you think are essential. |
| 19:10.47 | goudkov | infernix: well, actually it's the kernel itself i'm after, and i guess Xorg. |
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| 19:11.08 | goudkov | but when i try doing that, it takes 5-10 seconds for it to pick up on the press key |
| 19:11.11 | goudkov | pressed |
| 19:11.18 | Vooloo | anyone know of some kind of solution if the server goes down, you can somehow redirect traffic to another datacenter? is it apache or dns related or other.. |
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| 19:11.30 | infernix | goudkov: most if not all essential processes are niced to -20 |
| 19:11.39 | clars | I really dont know how to configure xserver-xfree86 in the best way for my xerox 19" |
| 19:11.40 | yang | When are they going to update nvidia-glx for etch? |
| 19:11.46 | goudkov | infernix: right. i'm talking about real-time of -100 |
| 19:11.50 | goudkov | or 99 i guess |
| 19:11.56 | roxy_ | Vooloo: you can use dns or apache |
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| 19:12.36 | infernix | goudkov: you might also want to consider compiling preempt kernel and 1000hz timer if you have that much need for realtime response |
| 19:12.40 | roxy_ | but usually more for load balancing |
| 19:13.14 | goudkov | infernix: aside from that, do you know for which processes i need to increase priority to make sure the keyboard and the networking are working? |
| 19:13.33 | infernix | goudkov: there's no process for that. afaik. |
| 19:13.45 | goudkov | infernix: yeah, that's what i'm seeing |
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| 19:14.18 | goudkov | but it sucks. if i set a hight priority for a cpu-hungry process then it takes up to 10 seconds for the kernel to process keystrokes |
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| 19:14.31 | infernix | goudkov: are you already on a preempt kernel? |
| 19:14.42 | goudkov | infernix: why would it matter? |
| 19:14.49 | infernix | goudkov: it matters *a lot*. |
| 19:14.55 | censor | i'm in the debian installer rescue system and need to add a module to the initrd, who can i do that? it's the gdth module i need for my raid controller to access the drive |
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| 19:15.23 | censor | the debian installer has this module, but it's not in the installed initrd |
| 19:15.26 | goudkov | infernix: keyboard is handled by the kernel space and premeptive scheduler would simply preemt a newly added user space process |
| 19:15.29 | goudkov | as i wrong? |
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| 19:15.49 | JPAULEY | Does anyone know how to get gd installed with gif support using debian packages? |
| 19:15.49 | goudkov | as -> am |
| 19:16.36 | Vooloo | roxy_: whats the technique called? |
| 19:16.48 | infernix | goudkov: if you're running stock kernel on , say, 100hz timer, you should notice the difference if you compare it to a preempt kernel on 1000hz timer. but then again, the realtime stuff I run (not alot) never eats 100% cpu for more than 2-3 seconds at a time |
| 19:17.06 | pipeline | infernix: hahahhahah linux realtime? |
| 19:17.21 | goudkov | infernix: i can see how a timer might help, but not the preemtive scheduler |
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| 19:20.30 | fresch | trying to clone a disk partition, using dd and netcat. i get an error from dd. both discs are the same and all the partitions are the same. what could that be? |
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| 19:26.08 | roxy_ | fresch: what is your error ? |
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| 19:32.36 | fresch | roxy_: don't have it in front of me but it was input/output i think |
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| 19:33.08 | _Hug[o]_ | So guys |
| 19:33.19 | _Hug[o]_ | How can I fix "Buffer I/O error on hdb1"? |
| 19:33.22 | tonsofpcs | Can someone here explain the differences between jailer, jailtool, and makejail? |
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| 19:38.55 | Zeroth405 | I'm trying to upgrade to -testing: gnome requires nautilus and nautilus-media, but those packages have conflicting dependancies. |
| 19:39.26 | unstable | Zeroth405: Did you do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" with sarge sources first? |
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| 19:40.00 | Zeroth405 | unstable, I just did a net install....I figured it was the latest stuff. |
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| 19:40.28 | Zeroth405 | whats with all this sid/sarge/beaver nonsense? |
| 19:40.47 | unstable | Zeroth405: If you did a net install. Why would you waste time downloading and installing gnome/X for sarge, then redownload everything and deal with dependency shit and do it all over again. |
| 19:41.04 | Zeroth405 | unstable, the installer didnt give me an option to select testing :-| |
| 19:41.15 | unstable | Zeroth405: You should have done a minimal net install. Then switched to etch and done a dist-upgrade. |
| 19:41.17 | unstable | Instead of downloading/installing everything twice |
| 19:41.40 | unstable | Zeroth405: Why did you even download the sarge installer. |
| 19:41.40 | unstable | !tell Zeroth405 about d-i |
| 19:41.46 | unstable | Zeroth405: Do it over again. |
| 19:41.58 | unstable | You have to redownload everything anyway. Might as well start fresh with an etch disc. |
| 19:42.20 | Zeroth405 | what? I downloaded what the install guide told me to |
| 19:42.20 | unstable | Instead of having a borked/maybe it will be fixed/maybe not etch system. |
| 19:42.31 | unstable | Where did you find the install guide? |
| 19:42.44 | Zeroth405 | unstable, debian.org |
| 19:43.02 | Zeroth405 | unstable, I did a floppy install. no CD drive. |
| 19:43.03 | unstable | Zeroth405: You have a link? |
| 19:43.19 | Zeroth405 | unstable, the floppy install section is probably out of date. ? |
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| 19:43.44 | azuleja | how do i active 3D aceleration in Debian? |
| 19:44.04 | Zeroth405 | unstable, give me a moment |
| 19:44.11 | Zeroth405 | azuleja, ATI or nVidia? |
| 19:44.12 | unstable | azuleja: What version of debian? |
| 19:44.12 | unstable | !tell azuleja about ask |
| 19:44.25 | azuleja | Zeroth405, ATI |
| 19:44.29 | unstable | Zeroth405: The link dpkg gave you have floppy discs on it for etch. |
| 19:44.38 | tonsofpcs | !tell tonsofpcs about ask |
| 19:44.38 | AoA | Is there any way to uninstall just one package without there dependeces, using apt-get ? |
| 19:44.44 | azuleja | why? can't i active it on othe than ATI or nVidia? |
| 19:44.52 | unstable | tonsofpcs: /msg dpkg ask |
| 19:44.57 | unstable | !tell tonsofpcs msgdpkg |
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| 19:45.15 | Zeroth405 | unstable, I never recieved a link. |
| 19:45.20 | tonsofpcs | What are the differences between jailer, jailtool, and makejail? |
| 19:45.22 | unstable | !tell Zeroth405 about d-i |
| 19:45.31 | Zeroth405 | unstable, apparantly doesnt work :-) |
| 19:45.36 | Zeroth405 | !tell Zeroth405 about d-i |
| 19:45.50 | Zeroth405 | unstable, oh, sorry. different window :-) |
| 19:45.51 | unstable | !d-i |
| 19:45.52 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
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| 19:46.42 | clars | I got sarge - what command do i use to upgrade kde to 3.5 using backorts? |
| 19:46.54 | azuleja | anybody? |
| 19:47.00 | clars | *backports |
| 19:47.05 | unstable | azuleja: What model card is it? What have you done to your system so far to try and get 3d accel to work? |
| 19:47.13 | unstable | azuleja: If you want help, you need to give more information. |
| 19:47.23 | unstable | !tell clars about backports |
| 19:48.20 | thingfish | clars: backports' site tells you what to add to sources.list |
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| 19:48.50 | thingfish | clars: then you would get it as you would anything using apt-get. |
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| 19:50.14 | orangey | hey all! |
| 19:50.41 | orangey | I've just attached a 7-port usb 2.0 hub (Bytecc) to my computer.. while dmesg shows that the hub is recognized, none of the devices I plug in appear there.. |
| 19:50.45 | unstable | !greet orangey |
| 19:50.45 | orangey | nor in lsusb |
| 19:50.45 | dpkg | Gr33tz, orangey |
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| 19:50.56 | orangey | !greet dpkg |
| 19:50.56 | dpkg | Bonjour, dpkg |
| 19:50.59 | castro2006 | i installed koffice on GNOME desktop but i cannot find koffice under office menu |
| 19:51.01 | orangey | nice : ) |
| 19:51.09 | castro2006 | but i can run it from the shell |
| 19:51.16 | orangey | anyhow.. do I have to do something special to get a usb hub working? |
| 19:51.29 | Zeroth405 | unstable, this is an old laptop with a broken CD drive (cannot boot USB sticks). should I do hd-media, floppy, or net-boot? |
| 19:51.31 | unstable | castro2006: apt-get install openoffice.org |
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| 19:51.45 | unstable | Zeroth405: floppy |
| 19:51.52 | Zeroth405 | unstable, what is this hd-media, btw? |
| 19:52.02 | castro2006 | anyone have idea about this |
| 19:52.10 | castro2006 | i had openoffice.org |
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| 19:52.22 | castro2006 | but i am trying to get koffice just for knowlege |
| 19:52.45 | castro2006 | and to compare between two systems |
| 19:53.05 | unstable | Zeroth405: dunno. installing it from the hdd? |
| 19:53.05 | castro2006 | because i am new to debian and linux enviroment |
| 19:53.22 | ricky_clarkson | castro2006: openoffice is better than koffice, afaik. |
| 19:53.33 | ricky_clarkson | castro2006: And you can use openoffice from Windows too. |
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| 19:54.02 | castro2006 | thanks alot for your information |
| 19:54.15 | Zeroth405 | How can I tell what version (sid, sarge, whatever) I'm running? |
| 19:54.19 | ricky_clarkson | No problem, now how about freeing Cuba? |
| 19:54.34 | unstable | !tell Zeroth405 about version |
| 19:54.41 | castro2006 | but i thinked in koffice because i need to open visio graphs into linux |
| 19:54.57 | ricky_clarkson | castro2006: No idea, I don't use Visio. |
| 19:55.03 | ick | !tell ick about version |
| 19:55.07 | castro2006 | how can i open .vsd file into openoffice.org |
| 19:55.22 | unstable | ick: /msg dpkg version |
| 19:55.25 | unstable | !tell ick about msgdpkg |
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| 19:56.20 | ricky_clarkson | castro2006: #openoffice.org |
| 19:56.22 | Zeroth405 | unstable, 3.1 sarge is not the latest? |
| 19:56.31 | castro2006 | thanks |
| 19:56.50 | unstable | Zeroth405: That is the latest stable version yes. |
| 19:56.53 | ick | unstable: What does testing/unstable mean? |
| 19:57.01 | unstable | Zeroth405: etch(testing) has not been released yet and does not have a version number. |
| 19:57.13 | unstable | Zeroth405: sid(unstable) will never be released and never have a version number. |
| 19:57.20 | ick | unstable: that I run some packages testing and some unstable? |
| 19:57.22 | unstable | ick: That means you're using test/unstable. |
| 19:57.29 | unstable | ick: no |
| 19:57.29 | yang | When are they going to update nvidia-glx for etch? |
| 19:57.40 | unstable | ick: Put you /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin |
| 19:57.42 | unstable | !tell ick about paste |
| 19:57.55 | ick | unstable: AFAIK, there is testing, there is unstable, but there is not testing/unstable |
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| 19:58.54 | unstable | !tell ick about testing/unstable |
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| 20:00.44 | ick | unstable: that awk command doesn't work. |
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| 20:01.15 | roxy_ | unstable: dpkg doesn't seem to like you :-) |
| 20:02.19 | ick | unstable: thanks for your other information, though. |
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| 20:04.17 | unstable | azuleja: You still here? |
| 20:04.43 | ick | What's a dvi viewer for stable? |
| 20:04.57 | unstable | !tell ick about apt-cache |
| 20:05.05 | ick | unstable: tried that already |
| 20:05.19 | ick | unstable: I normally use kdvi, but I can't install that now. |
| 20:05.42 | unstable | ick: What desktop enviroment or window manager are you using? |
| 20:05.50 | ick | unstable: gnome |
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| 20:06.45 | unstable | !tell ick about synaptic |
| 20:06.59 | ick | unstable: I know about synaptic. |
| 20:07.09 | unstable | ick: so why don't you use it? |
| 20:07.37 | ick | unstable: what? I can't install kdvi because some dependencies are not met. |
| 20:07.38 | unstable | ick: open it, go to search and put in `dvi view` |
| 20:07.44 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | Hello, I have a widescreen laptop and dont know exactly where to look, Gnome or XServer? I trid to put a resolution like 1280x800 in XFree-Config4 but didnt work |
| 20:07.47 | azuleja | unstable: yes, nobody has answered me |
| 20:07.52 | ick | unstable: evince should also work, but it doesn't. |
| 20:07.53 | unstable | ick: We'll you're using debian etch. so this should be expected. |
| 20:07.57 | unstable | !tell ick about testing |
| 20:08.17 | unstable | azuleja: That's because you haven't provided enough information. azuleja you haven't answered my questions. |
| 20:08.34 | ick | unstable: I have changed my sources.list to use stable. |
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| 20:09.03 | unstable | ick: It doesn't matter if you change your sources.list now. Your packages are already testing/unstable. |
| 20:09.08 | azuleja | unstable:i only want to active 3d accelaration in my Debian, |
| 20:09.12 | azuleja | that's all.. |
| 20:09.17 | ick | unstable: dvi2ps works |
| 20:09.33 | unstable | azuleja: You make it difficult for people to help you because you don't give information to us. |
| 20:09.38 | ick | unstable: How do you mean it doesn't matter? |
| 20:09.51 | unstable | azuleja: What version of debian, what model card, what have you done to try to get 3d accel to work thus far? what driver? |
| 20:10.01 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | azuleja, at least tell card, which linux version |
| 20:10.19 | azuleja | unstable: etch, an ATI Radeon 9250 |
| 20:10.31 | unstable | ick: If you already install etch or unstable. and have done a dist-upgrade(which if you /etc/debian_version file is right) then you already have testing/unstable. And you can not downgrade to sarge(stable) |
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| 20:10.57 | azuleja | but i would want to know the procedure so i could do it in other cards that supports 3d acceleration also |
| 20:11.21 | ick | unstable: At some point in time the packages from stable should be newer than what I am running now, right? |
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| 20:11.47 | ick | unstable: How does the package system work? |
| 20:11.51 | unstable | ick: maybe in 6 months? |
| 20:11.57 | unstable | ick: maybe a year? |
| 20:12.04 | unstable | ick: And that's only _some_ packages. |
| 20:12.42 | unstable | ick: I would lean towards at least a year. |
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| 20:13.50 | tetra | hi |
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| 20:14.19 | unstable | !greet tetra |
| 20:14.19 | dpkg | Tag, tetra |
| 20:14.35 | tetra | heh |
| 20:14.41 | tetra | i'm looking for a little help with grub |
| 20:14.45 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !karma tetra |
| 20:14.45 | dpkg | tetra has neutral karma |
| 20:15.08 | unstable | !tell ick about stable misconception |
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| 20:16.43 | tetra | in the grub command line I run root (hd1,0) (it's /dev/hdd1) and setup (hd0) and it says something like unknown partition |
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| 20:17.21 | unstable | !tell tetra about update-grub |
| 20:17.28 | tetra | if i run root (hd1,<tab> it shows unknown filesystem, even though it's ext2 |
| 20:17.40 | ick | unstable: so what would be the easiest way to get true stable? |
| 20:18.07 | unstable | ick: In your case, download the net install disc from the link dpkg gives you. And then format.(download stable net install not testing) |
| 20:18.10 | unstable | !tell ick about d-i |
| 20:18.11 | tetra | unstable: sorry, that doesn't help me in this situation, i've moved my hard drives from one working system to another |
| 20:18.38 | unstable | tetra: What version of Debian GNU / Linux? |
| 20:19.16 | ick | unstable: why can't Debian just see that there's data, and only write over the old system? |
| 20:19.31 | ick | unstable: Just a matter of "not important enoough"? |
| 20:19.31 | serfurj | I'm having trouble getting the nvidia driver working with etch. I followed the guide at: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt, but no luck. I get the "No nvidia/glx drivers available" error. Any ideas? |
| 20:19.31 | tetra | *sigh* |
| 20:19.38 | streuner | hm |
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| 20:20.52 | JediMaster | hey guys, I want to; dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdd to the last 1mbyte or so on the disk to remove all the raid information on the drive, any ideas how you do it from the end of the drive? |
| 20:20.55 | stoned | hi |
| 20:21.01 | tetra | it's like when I tell it to look at (hd1,0) it's seeing (hd3,0) |
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| 20:22.17 | unstable | ick: pretty much not important enough. It's possible to downgrade, but it's very painful and might not work. |
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| 20:22.52 | unstable | ick: I guess developers don't want to waste time trying to make it possible to downgrade peoples systems that shouldn't have been upgraded in the first place. |
| 20:23.01 | unstable | ick: There is a reason they call it "testing" or "unstable" |
| 20:24.12 | jbit_ | Hi all. Ok, so at work we are setting up some new database and webservers. My boss wants to use Fedora Core, and I suggested we use Debian. He says Debian is hopelessly outdated. I argued that it is more stable, and that apt just plain works. (as opposed to yum.) What, if any, sound arguments can I use to promote Debian? |
| 20:24.22 | tetra | well, thanks anyway |
| 20:24.34 | unstable | azuleja: What driver are you using, what have you done to get 3d accel to work thus far? |
| 20:24.41 | unstable | azuleja: Do you not see my questions? |
| 20:24.57 | amphi | !tell jbit_ about why debian |
| 20:25.28 | jbit_ | amphi: thanks |
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| 20:25.49 | azuleja | unstable : no |
| 20:25.57 | censor | !tell censor why debian |
| 20:26.01 | azuleja | unstable : i did glxinfo | grep rendering |
| 20:26.09 | azuleja | nd it told me Direct rendering : Yes |
| 20:26.11 | censor | !tell censor about why debian |
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| 20:26.56 | unstable | censor: /msg dpkg why debian; /msg dpkg help; |
| 20:26.59 | unstable | !tell censor about msgdpkg |
| 20:27.12 | sander_ | anyone good at openvpn here? |
| 20:27.13 | amphi | jbit_: I hope there's something there of use; 'outdated' isn't an argument IMHO, unless there's a feature required that only exists in a newer version of some sw |
| 20:27.23 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !tell elik about msgdpkg |
| 20:27.46 | jbit_ | amphi: one thing he mentioned was that mysql 5 isn't in apt yet |
| 20:27.57 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !tell elik about widescreen |
| 20:28.03 | amphi | jbit_: he should be using postgres ;) |
| 20:29.10 | amphi | jbit_: see backports.org - there appears to be a mysql5 one |
| 20:29.10 | jbit_ | amphi: Ah man... out of the frying pan into the frier... That would be great. I should tell him not only should we not use fedora, we should switch to postgres.. |
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| 20:29.20 | amphi | jbit_: heh |
| 20:29.25 | jbit_ | amphi: thanks, I'll check that out |
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| 20:32.01 | unstable | azuleja: Put "dpkg -al|grep -i mesa" on a paste site |
| 20:32.04 | unstable | !tell azuleja about paste |
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| 20:35.45 | azuleja | unstable, http://pastebin.com/703284 |
| 20:36.48 | censor | unstable thanks, i'm already debian for years, just wanted to see how you guys usualy convince people to use it, too ;) |
| 20:37.15 | unstable | censor: I don't convince people. I don't care what other people use as their operating system. |
| 20:37.43 | censor | unstable that wasn't meant harsh, no worries! |
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| 20:38.08 | unstable | azuleja: Put cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep -i ati on pastebin |
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| 20:39.32 | Zeroth405 | should I expect occasional annoying problems if I run -unstable? |
| 20:39.47 | Gnea | Zeroth405: yes. |
| 20:39.48 | unstable | Zeroth405: yes |
| 20:40.16 | unstable | Zeroth405: I run it, now and then something will go wrong. I check the bts, then figure it out and fix it. Or wait and it gets fixed. |
| 20:40.34 | Zeroth405 | looks like I'll stick with testing. |
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| 20:40.50 | Zeroth405 | the only thing I dislike about stable is the ancient software and smaller package repositories |
| 20:41.01 | Gnea | that's what backports are for. |
| 20:41.02 | Gnea | !backports |
| 20:41.03 | dpkg | it has been said that backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 20:41.14 | Gnea | it alleviates the 'ancientness' of it all |
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| 20:41.45 | Gnea | but keeps it on a firm footing |
| 20:41.52 | heh_v_water | but then debian security is out the window doing that right? |
| 20:41.52 | unstable | Zeroth405: stable is supposed to have the software from the time when it was released. That's what makes it stable. |
| 20:41.56 | unstable | Zeroth405: If they kept updating stable, then it wouldn't be stable anymore. |
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| 20:42.45 | Gnea | Zeroth405: www.packetstormsecurity.org you should check that out, among others, and learn what software vulnerabilities are really all about. then, you can come back and complain about newer vs. older software. |
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| 20:43.28 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, I have written software hosted on packetstorm. |
| 20:43.47 | Zeroth405 | well, not hosted, but linked to. :-) |
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| 20:43.51 | Gnea | Zeroth405: should i be scared or impressed? |
| 20:43.57 | Gnea | :) |
| 20:44.33 | Zeroth405 | my main system is Gentoo. Debian is such a different world. |
| 20:44.47 | heh_v_water | seems somehow in my latest upgrade with etch I can't get Nvidia drivers working the debian way nor with the nvidia installer.. |
| 20:44.53 | pipeline | Gnea: Neither. |
| 20:44.58 | Gnea | oh, you compile everything... what a waste of time and resources |
| 20:44.59 | amphi | Zeroth405: thank gh0d ;) |
| 20:45.06 | Gnea | pipeline: i'm sorry, was i talking to you? |
| 20:45.10 | Zeroth405 | amphi, huh? |
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| 20:45.39 | leshaste | anyone got any idea how to get the picture links at http://www.sarikonak.com/english/html/3d.htm working? They seem to be .IPX files whatever that is. |
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| 20:45.46 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, I'm obsessed with performance :-) |
| 20:46.06 | Gnea | Zeroth405: that's cool, i'm just wondering who this pipeline person is |
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| 20:46.39 | Gnea | leshaste: never seen that either... fuckin' weird |
| 20:47.01 | leshaste | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.26 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 20:47.42 | leshaste | yes.. doesn't really help me :) |
| 20:47.42 | Gnea | well that's ghey |
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| 20:47.51 | Gnea | that site officially sucks :) |
| 20:48.22 | heh_v_water | yes and what the world needs is 45 more compression methods for video and 100 new image compression methods, then we will live in peace and harmony together as one |
| 20:48.52 | leshaste | heh_v_water: it's some sort of 3d photo thing |
| 20:49.09 | Gnea | heh_v_water: you're not the only one having that nvidia problem, seems to be a known testing problem currently |
| 20:49.21 | leshaste | http://www.ipix-photos.co.uk/ipix-virtual-tours.html I suppose is where it comes from |
| 20:49.38 | heh_v_water | Gnea thanks, it's weird, says it can't find GLX nor nvidia module |
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| 20:50.11 | Gnea | !bts |
| 20:50.11 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 20:51.18 | elik | I am trying to setup my 16:10 monitor in XFree. I saw that I had to add a Modeline with the pixel clock frequency. On intel I found that I had a "DVO pixel rate of 330 MP/s"... is that what I need for the configuration of XFree? |
| 20:51.29 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, you know, if gentoo wasn't source-based I think I'd prefer it over debian for any system. |
| 20:51.57 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, the way it deals with its stable and testing packages is much more elegant, imho. |
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| 20:52.41 | tonsofpcs | can someone give me an example sudoers line for allowing "user" access to execute "binary" on all machines as if he were root? |
| 20:53.12 | Zeroth405 | tonsofpcs, why in the world would you do that? |
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| 20:53.35 | tonsofpcs | Zeroth405: I want to give access to ONE binary |
| 20:53.43 | Zeroth405 | tonsofpcs, ah. |
| 20:53.52 | cahoot | tonsofpcs: man sudoers has a lot of examples |
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| 20:54.11 | Gnea | Zeroth405: yeah, there are some things about gentoo that i like too |
| 20:54.12 | Zeroth405 | tonsofpcs, sudo is a pain, imho, I'd rather change its group ownership and add the user to that group and give it exec permission |
| 20:54.13 | tonsofpcs | all the samples I see in man are for ALL - something |
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| 20:54.17 | PaCo1 | noen norske som kan hjelpe meg med java og azureus |
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| 20:54.56 | heh_v_water | wtf language is that |
| 20:55.08 | unstable | Norwegian |
| 20:55.11 | heh_v_water | ahhh |
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| 20:55.22 | jbit_ | Yeah I love gentoo also... I just _do_ _not_ have the patience to wait while it compiles |
| 20:55.25 | heh_v_water | i see help java in there somewhere lol |
| 20:55.32 | cahoot | and what lang is 'wtf language is that'? |
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| 20:55.42 | heh_v_water | webonics |
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| 20:56.14 | Gnea | !no |
| 20:56.14 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 20:56.35 | tonsofpcs | and do I need to rehash sudoers somehow after changing it? |
| 20:57.03 | Gnea | nope, it takes effect right away, it works the next time someone uses it |
| 20:57.15 | tonsofpcs | i finally figuredout how to write it, but it keeps telling me I don't have access to that binary... |
| 20:57.15 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, I wouldn't run gentoo on more than one box at a time, it would be a pain. You also learn more with Gentoo than Debian. |
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| 20:57.38 | Gnea | Zeroth405: well i used to run slackware, so i know all about running a source-based distro :) |
| 20:57.50 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, slackware is not source based ... |
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| 20:57.56 | Gnea | yes it is |
| 20:58.00 | unstable | PaCo1: hold deg langt faen i helvete unna #linux.no ellers er du en dau geit |
| 20:58.05 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, haha. No. Its not. |
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| 20:58.17 | Gnea | Zeroth405: back in 1996, yes, it was, at least. |
| 20:58.17 | jbit_ | *tumbleweed blows by* |
| 20:58.43 | beardy | jbit_: Haha |
| 20:58.43 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, I wasn't aware of that then. I used slackware for a couple years. it is very much binary-based. |
| 20:58.47 | Gnea | Zeroth405: dude get a clue, they have stupid .tgz packages, everything else you had to compile - today i think it's different, but i haven't ran it in that long |
| 20:59.00 | unstable | Gnea: heh, I had to /msg dpkg no no is blah |
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| 20:59.24 | stoned | two negatives make a positive |
| 20:59.26 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, source-based means that the official repositories contain source. the package tools included with slackware are made for binary packages. |
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| 21:00.05 | beardy | Zeroth405: Did you run slackaware in 1996? |
| 21:00.09 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, slackware contains no distro-tools for compiling anyt kind of source package. |
| 21:00.09 | stoned | omg! |
| 21:00.14 | Zeroth405 | beardy, no. |
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| 21:00.21 | stoned | beardy, I was just about to say I used it in 1996 |
| 21:00.22 | stoned | lol |
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| 21:00.29 | stoned | stole the words right out of my mouth, kinda |
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| 21:00.39 | Zeroth405 | beardy, its hard to imagine that big of a change in Slackware from then to a few years ago |
| 21:00.52 | unstable | PaCo1 ? |
| 21:01.03 | Gnea | Zeroth405: at one point in time, many of the binary packages contained in slackware today did not exist for slackware at the time, so most of the software that needed to be installed by a third party was done via source. you went to the website or ftp site, downloaded the tarball, unpacked, compiled, hoped it didn't have an error, did a make install and that was it. |
| 21:01.27 | tonsofpcs | ok, I'm testing with vi, I have: myusername ALL=/usr/bin/vi root |
| 21:01.34 | beardy | Zeroth405: Ten years, and ten years that has had a rather large technical development, if one looks back. |
| 21:01.36 | Gnea | Zeroth405: 10 years is a few? no, 2-3 is a few. |
| 21:01.41 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, wasn't aware. Though slackware's official repositories have very few packages. |
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| 21:01.45 | Gnea | 10 years is a decade :) |
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| 21:02.18 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, I'm thinking more like 7 years. |
| 21:02.22 | Gnea | Zeroth405: you can still find older slackware isos out there |
| 21:02.26 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, but its still hard to imagine... |
| 21:02.27 | Gnea | Zeroth405: that'd be several years. |
| 21:02.55 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, ^ |
| 21:02.56 | Gnea | Zeroth405: you should review your history of the internet |
| 21:02.58 | beardy | Zeroth405: It's easy if you try. ;) |
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| 21:03.17 | tonsofpcs | ok, I'm testing with vi, I have: myusername ALL=/usr/bin/vi root << it isn't letting me sudo vi (says i'm not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/vi' as root on localhost.localdomain |
| 21:03.22 | stoned | Gnea, well, for the clockwork that counts eons, its not even a blink of an eye |
| 21:03.41 | shogunx | clocks have eyes? |
| 21:03.44 | stoned | 10 is definitely more than a few |
| 21:04.02 | Zeroth405 | stoned, you're adding an extra 3 years on that. :-) |
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| 21:04.19 | Gnea | stoned: that scale cannot be compared to, computers are a relatively new technology still |
| 21:04.21 | stoned | from 96 to 06 |
| 21:04.26 | stoned | its not 7, it is 10 |
| 21:04.34 | stoned | unless we're not even talking about the same thing |
| 21:04.35 | Dwonis | tonsofpcs: That's not the sudoers syntax :) |
| 21:04.38 | Gnea | haven't been around for more than 50 or 60 years |
| 21:04.39 | stoned | in which case I should shush |
| 21:04.50 | shogunx | 1,2,5! (three, sir) yes, 3! |
| 21:04.57 | Zeroth405 | stoned 96 to `a few years ago`. I used slackware in 2004 to 2006 |
| 21:04.59 | stoned | Gnea, I didn't mean an actual clockword |
| 21:04.59 | Gnea | heh |
| 21:05.28 | stoned | clockwork* |
| 21:05.28 | llvllatrix | I'm having trouble playing music from cds in xmms; I think its because I do not have dma enabled on my cdrom drive. Any suggestions? |
| 21:05.28 | Dwonis | tonsofpcs, try: myusername ALL=(root) /usr/bin/vi * |
| 21:05.28 | Gnea | stoned: right, i know you meant timeline |
| 21:05.29 | heh_v_water | relatively though I think computer technology has grown faster in a shorter time than say automotive techology. Ten years of computer technology would probably equal the first 50 years of automobiles |
| 21:05.32 | stoned | Gnea, yeah, just the age of the observable univ. etc. |
| 21:05.41 | Gnea | hehe |
| 21:05.44 | tonsofpcs | yay, thanks Dwonis |
| 21:05.48 | shogunx | too bad the autos were done wrong. |
| 21:06.01 | Gnea | heh_v_water: that's an extremely good way of putting it |
| 21:06.13 | Gnea | shogunx: everything's done wrong at first :) |
| 21:06.24 | shogunx | very true. |
| 21:06.26 | heh_v_water | well ty I ate my wheaties this morning |
| 21:06.50 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, so you had to compile source manually, or there were system tools to automate it? (like installpkg for source-tarballs) |
| 21:06.54 | beardy | heh_v_water: Probably. And fastest in the last, say 30 years. |
| 21:07.05 | censor | shogunx i solved my raid module problem! |
| 21:07.06 | heh_v_water | beardy exactly |
| 21:07.18 | shogunx | censor via the grub shell? |
| 21:07.31 | serfurj | does anybody have the nvidia driver working with a recently updated etch? |
| 21:07.34 | tonsofpcs | hmmm, what does -rwsr-xr-x mean??? |
| 21:07.39 | heh_v_water | but auto technology didn't expand until technology (computers) allowed fo rit so it's kind of a trickle thing happned there it seems |
| 21:07.46 | Gnea | Zeroth405: naw man, i had to download and install automake, autoconf, libtool, m4 and all of that and compile those by hand too |
| 21:07.53 | censor | shogunx i booted with the rescue system, mounted the drives, changed the modules for mkinitramfs, build a new initrd, updated grub, et voila! |
| 21:08.08 | shogunx | wonderful censor. |
| 21:08.08 | Dwonis | tonsofpcs: on a file or a directory? |
| 21:08.16 | beardy | heh_v_water: yeah |
| 21:08.23 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, so it wasnt actually "source based" it was just that much more minimalistic -- to the point of compiling everything yourself :-) |
| 21:08.28 | censor | shogunx the missing module was gdth (along with sg and sd_mod) |
| 21:08.41 | llvllatrix | serfurj: yes; let me find the link |
| 21:08.45 | shogunx | censor was just not in the default initrd, eh? |
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| 21:08.52 | tonsofpcs | Dwonis: on a file... it has an s where the x for owner should be... |
| 21:08.57 | abrotman | sticky |
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| 21:09.19 | llvllatrix | serfurj: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 21:09.21 | Gnea | Zeroth405: there wasn't as much software available at the time that there has been the past few years |
| 21:09.26 | Dwonis | tonsofpcs: it means that the file is "suid"-who-the-owner-of-the-file-is |
| 21:09.27 | heh_v_water | I never touched my first pc until 1999 so i missed a LOT of cool old things that were happening.. my first Linux distro was Mandrake 7.2 nad it's starting to look darn "old" even now |
| 21:09.32 | serfurj | llvllatrix: thanks |
| 21:09.33 | tonsofpcs | Dwonis: thanks |
| 21:09.40 | tonsofpcs | so what is the # for it? |
| 21:09.41 | shogunx | Gnea yep. available sw has gone through the roof lately. |
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| 21:09.46 | tonsofpcs | is that 2### ? |
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| 21:09.56 | Dwonis | tonsofpcs: yes, 02755 |
| 21:10.07 | Dwonis | tonsofpcs: or no, 04755 actually |
| 21:10.16 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, Slackware is pretty much useless in todays world, other than for educational purposes or for people who like to do things "the hard way" |
| 21:10.18 | tonsofpcs | thanks |
| 21:10.28 | unstable | Is snapshot down for anyone else? |
| 21:10.29 | Dwonis | tonsofpcs: 02755 would be sgid: rwxr-sr-x |
| 21:10.32 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, I learned damn near everything I know on slackware. |
| 21:10.38 | tonsofpcs | ah, thanks |
| 21:10.42 | Gnea | Zeroth405: cool |
| 21:11.01 | shogunx | Zeroth405, unless you have a s/390. then slack becomes pretty handy. |
| 21:11.16 | llvllatrix | serfurj: There are some undocumented problems with fonts that I encountered. I'll update the wiki page in a second. |
| 21:11.20 | Zeroth405 | shogunx, I dont even know what that is :-) |
| 21:11.21 | tonsofpcs | nice, I successfully restricted su to me :D |
| 21:11.21 | stoned | I wonder, is/would dhcp be redundant with ipv6? Would there even be a need for renewing a lease or even leasing, maybe dhcp could just provide it an ip once and thats that, figuring since ipv6 is like, a lot of ips |
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| 21:11.24 | beardy | heh_v_water: Atleast you seem to be aware of it and interested, which is the most important thing. |
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| 21:11.44 | tonsofpcs | thanks again Dwonis :) |
| 21:11.53 | unstable | stoned: You can /join #ipv6 if you wish. |
| 21:11.57 | heh_v_water | what was the first "organized" distribution to use the Linux kernel? |
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| 21:12.04 | Zeroth405 | heh_v_water, slack :-) |
| 21:12.05 | tonsofpcs | added self to sudoers with ability to run su, changed su to 4750 :) |
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| 21:12.07 | stoned | unstable, yeh, thanks man |
| 21:12.12 | e1th0r | hello, somebody know what is the parameter for to start the debian-graphics-installer in spanish? thk. |
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| 21:12.35 | beardy | heh_v_water: I wasn't there, but IIRC it was slackware, and a few months after, debian. |
| 21:12.56 | Zeroth405 | heh_v_water, slackware was *the* first linux distro. there may have been others but they never gained popularity if they existed |
| 21:12.57 | Dwonis | stroned: DHCP generally isn't needed with IPv6. Instead, there are "prefix announcements" by the router, and nodes are expected to determine their own IPv6 addresses based on these announcements |
| 21:13.08 | Dwonis | stoned: ^^ |
| 21:13.09 | censor | shogunx right! took me quite some brains to find out i could easily rebuild the initrd from the rescue system and update grub from there ... i though all the time the initrd would stay on the partition and wouldn't be available if the kernel doesn't have the modules to recognize the drive ... me dumb |
| 21:13.16 | heh_v_water | makes me wonder how involved in the distributions Linus was back then |
| 21:13.21 | shogunx | Zeroth405, ye old mainframe: http://ukcc.uky.edu/~ukccinfo/ibm9672.html |
| 21:13.34 | Dwonis | stoned: apt-get install radvd on the router |
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| 21:13.54 | stoned | Dwonis, ahhh, you don't use tab copmletion. Oh, I mean, ahhhh, I need to look up ipv6, so then I was right in my logical deduction about dhcp with ipv6 |
| 21:13.54 | shogunx | censor, not so dumb, you solved the problem! |
| 21:13.58 | Gnea | redhat 4.1 was the first distro i got to install properly (i couldn't figure out slackware and freebsd at the time) after that it was downhill to slackware, then debian |
| 21:14.07 | stoned | ;) |
| 21:14.14 | Dwonis | stoned: (re: tab completion) sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. |
| 21:14.25 | stoned | im just pullin yer leg |
| 21:14.36 | heh_v_water | redhat 4 seems to have some symbolic stance when it comes to Linux |
| 21:14.39 | Dwonis | stoned: apparently there *is* DHCP for IPv6, though I'm not sure what it's good for |
| 21:14.41 | shogunx | stoned, there is dhcp6, but its not very useful, as radvd does that pretty well. |
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| 21:14.49 | censor | shogunx yea, slowly but surely .. anyways, thanks for your help! |
| 21:14.50 | Dwonis | stoned: on the other hand, there's NAT for IPv6 as well |
| 21:14.54 | Gnea | stoned: well, ipv6 can be done with dhcp or with router advertisements - router ads are a bit nicer because it's faster |
| 21:14.54 | unstable | Dwonis / Gnea is snapshot down for you guys? |
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| 21:15.11 | Gnea | unstable: snapshot? |
| 21:15.18 | unstable | !snapshot |
| 21:15.18 | dpkg | [debian snapshot] http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 21:15.26 | Gnea | oh duh |
| 21:15.26 | stoned | so, if I want ipv6 addy, but I use cox isp, what do I need to do, point me in the right direction please, perhaps some search keywords to go by |
| 21:15.41 | shogunx | stoned i think the package is called freenet6 |
| 21:15.53 | abrotman | unstable: quit screwing up factiods |
| 21:16.04 | qbit | yeah |
| 21:16.06 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 21:16.06 | dpkg | somebody said bongswat was "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 21:16.27 | stoned | heh, bluntmaster and chronic |
| 21:16.47 | stoned | cockknocker. that was an amazing movie |
| 21:16.47 | censor | bye guys |
| 21:16.52 | shogunx | stoned though radvd will let you route a /48 or /64 depending on your tunnel broker. |
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| 21:17.12 | shogunx | i am the clit commander! |
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| 21:17.22 | stoned | shogunx, yes, thanks. I will look up ipv6 and learn more about it |
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| 21:17.27 | stoned | lol |
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| 21:17.44 | stoned | shogunx, only the missus can vouch for that |
| 21:17.44 | stoned | ;) |
| 21:17.52 | shogunx | hehehe |
| 21:18.23 | Dwonis | unstable: yeah, snapshot.debian.net seems to be down (at least, ping, http, and ftp don't respond) |
| 21:18.25 | unstable | abrotman: What factoid did I screw up? |
| 21:18.30 | unstable | thanks Dwonis |
| 21:18.31 | abrotman | the releases one |
| 21:18.38 | abrotman | what a freaking mess .. and it was worthless |
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| 21:19.00 | shogunx | stoned essentially, very few isp's are offering ipv6 addresses yet, so if you want to be on the v6 network, you need to tunnel to a host that will route packets and assign addresses to you, called a tunnel broker. |
| 21:19.21 | unstable | abrotman: What did I have it as? |
| 21:19.33 | stoned | I see |
| 21:19.39 | shogunx | google for tunnel broker will give you a nice list, or hexago/freenet6 have a deb package for their client. |
| 21:19.45 | Dwonis | stoned: I just use 6to4 (IPv6 routed over IPv4; addresses are in the 2002::/16 range) but then again, I have a static IPv4 address |
| 21:20.01 | abrotman | unstable: something stupid .. really stupid |
| 21:20.21 | shogunx | Dwonis, how does that work for latency and throughput? i have not tried it. |
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| 21:21.01 | stoned | wait |
| 21:21.03 | stoned | is it going to cost me money |
| 21:21.05 | stoned | argh, fuck that |
| 21:21.07 | Dwonis | shogunx: I dunno. what's a reasonably fast v4 host? |
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| 21:21.12 | stoned | i'll stick with v4 |
| 21:21.16 | Dwonis | shogunx: it's usable, at least |
| 21:21.19 | shogunx | Dwonis, kernel.org? |
| 21:21.35 | shogunx | stoned v6 costs me nothing. |
| 21:21.44 | ick | What can I do about this error message? http://channels.debian.net/paste/2813 |
| 21:21.52 | Dwonis | shogunx: www.kernel.org doesn't have an AAAA record |
| 21:21.58 | shogunx | Dwonis, probably better than my florida to canada tunnel latency. |
| 21:22.05 | shogunx | www.kame.net |
| 21:22.41 | Dwonis | shogunx: well, that one's slow: 468 ms |
| 21:22.52 | Gnea | unstable: yeah, sdo is down |
| 21:22.56 | Dwonis | shogunx: on the other hand, the site is perfectly browsable |
| 21:23.29 | Gnea | stoned: dude, ipv6 is free, currently |
| 21:23.34 | shogunx | Dwonis, tunnel latency here is about 800 s average. |
| 21:23.39 | shogunx | 800 ms |
| 21:23.42 | stoned | nothing is free |
| 21:23.48 | stoned | someone paid for it |
| 21:23.49 | shogunx | ipv6 is free. |
| 21:23.49 | Gnea | lol |
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| 21:23.54 | guk | mines to new jersey and I see like 100ms latency |
| 21:23.55 | guk | :) |
| 21:24.08 | Dwonis | shogunx: direct ipv4 latency is 202 ms |
| 21:24.13 | Gnea | stoned: it's free as in, all you have to do is install the client, get yourself a login, apply it and bam, you're in business |
| 21:24.21 | stoned | well i'll be damned |
| 21:24.27 | shogunx | the IETF paid for it. and the institutions that employ its participants. |
| 21:24.29 | stoned | thats is simple enough |
| 21:24.37 | guk | http://www.solosoft.org/projects/ipv6 <-- setting up IPv6 on a wrt54gs |
| 21:24.46 | ick | Do amd64 machines still need to have amd64 in their sources.list? |
| 21:24.50 | stoned | so, does it mean I will have two ips? sorry, I don't quite understand the whole thing yet |
| 21:25.03 | shogunx | Dwonis, yeah, about 212 here to the same host over v4. |
| 21:25.09 | Gnea | stoned: basically yeah |
| 21:25.13 | stoned | could I still run a server and people connect to my ipv4 and get in, also, if they try the ipv6 |
| 21:25.14 | stoned | ahh |
| 21:25.16 | stoned | thats cool |
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| 21:25.20 | stoned | that is VERY cool |
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| 21:25.33 | Gnea | it gets better |
| 21:25.37 | guk | as long as you have a AAAA record on your domain you can have both |
| 21:25.38 | stoned | I will look up more stuff. Guys, I appreciate it |
| 21:25.43 | guk | like http://www.solosoft.org is IPv4 and IPv6 |
| 21:25.45 | shogunx | stoned make sure you have ipv6 enabled daemons, for mail web and dns, if you do those services. |
| 21:25.51 | Gnea | NAT is a thing of the past, everything just kinda connects and 'works' in ipv6 |
| 21:26.03 | stoned | word |
| 21:26.13 | shogunx | Gnea yep. bye bye nat. an ugly kludge it was. |
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| 21:26.25 | guk | yeah but nothing important uses IPv6 yet ... |
| 21:26.27 | jelly-ho | 800ms is a lot though, I have 260ms when on dialup |
| 21:26.30 | guk | it's honestly very useless right now |
| 21:26.31 | startxwhite | is there anyone here running sarge with 2 kernels, 2.6.8 and 2.6.15. my cup with s4232 sound was autodetected and it is running ok with 2.6.8 but if i boot with 2.6.15 i have no sound. what gives? |
| 21:26.37 | Gnea | shogunx: heh yeah, all that slingshot business :) |
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| 21:27.06 | shogunx | jelly-ho its the latency for here to canada then route out to the host and the same thing on the way back. |
| 21:27.11 | shogunx | Gnea :) |
| 21:27.14 | guk | about the only thing SLIGHTLY usefull ive found for it is IRC ... because your able to set your own RDNS |
| 21:27.17 | Dwonis | shogunx: wget from ftp.kame.net: IPv6: 16K/s, IPv4: varying, but about 100K/s |
| 21:27.31 | stoned | quick one, can I register a domain and have that forwarded to my ipv6 address? |
| 21:27.40 | stoned | oh duh |
| 21:27.41 | shogunx | Dwonis, make sense. |
| 21:27.42 | guk | you need to be able to setup AAAA records |
| 21:27.43 | stoned | wrong question |
| 21:27.47 | Dwonis | shogunx: so it's not great to v6-land, but I mainly use it between machines that I control (which are all using 6to4) to avoid NAT troubles |
| 21:27.59 | stoned | wtf was I gonna ask |
| 21:28.03 | stoned | jeez |
| 21:28.08 | shogunx | Dwonis, yep. comprendo. |
| 21:28.12 | Gnea | if you already know how to do ipv4 networking, ipv6 networking is a piece of cake |
| 21:28.15 | jelly-ho | shogunx: gross. Find a nearer ipv6 tunnel broker? |
| 21:28.36 | shogunx | jelly-ho yep. i've been just too lazy to do it. |
| 21:28.40 | guk | If you run the tunnel on your NAT router ... you can use radvd and broadcast IPv6 address's to all your LAN machines ... that's probably the most efficient way ... cause as of now the smallest chunk of IPv6 you can route is a /64 which is 18 quintillion IP's ... and I highly doubt you have 18 quintillion nodes on your network ;) |
| 21:28.51 | stoned | ahh yes, I wanted to know if I can host my own domain, my cable modem, and another pc are on 24/7 |
| 21:29.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 727] by debhelper |
| 21:29.02 | stoned | with that ipv6 addy |
| 21:29.05 | stoned | or wait |
| 21:29.05 | stoned | no |
| 21:29.07 | Dwonis | guk: You can't subnet a /64, however |
| 21:29.18 | Dwonis | guk: well, you can, but not if you want autoconfiguration, which you do |
| 21:29.21 | stoned | nevermind, when I think of it, i'll ask |
| 21:29.26 | guk | like my wrt has my IPv6 tunnel and gives out IPv6 address's based on my MAC address to all my LAN machines (my windows machines just ipv6 install and my linux machines just modprobe ipv6) and they all automagicly get an IP and work |
| 21:29.30 | Dwonis | guk: that's why most people get a /48 |
| 21:29.37 | guk | mines all auto configuration ? |
| 21:29.57 | Gnea | stoned: you'd probably be okay with it as long as you use your registrar's dns service for awhile |
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| 21:30.12 | Solosoft | ;) |
| 21:30.14 | Solosoft | my windows machine |
| 21:30.15 | Gnea | heh |
| 21:30.20 | jelly-ho | guk: do your other machines use only ipv6 or both? |
| 21:30.25 | guk | both ... |
| 21:30.29 | stoned | Gnea, I wanted to run my own dns server on the boxes with the ups the ones that stay on all the time |
| 21:30.34 | guk | it's all both ... if the site is AAAA compatable they use IPv6 |
| 21:30.44 | guk | if it's not ... they nicely use IPv4 ... very convienent |
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| 21:31.07 | shogunx | stoned if you have the latest bind, it supports queries via v6. |
| 21:31.17 | stoned | ok |
| 21:31.31 | Gnea | stoned: that'd work - nice thing about the registrars is that there are sometimes issues in regards to timing, so having a base dns server that you can just type the basic info into to get things started is a good thing :) |
| 21:31.31 | guk | yeah ... most things support IPv6 ... my IRCD is IPv6 compatable my imap, ssh etc etc |
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| 21:31.57 | shogunx | funny, the ipv4 net will be like the us highway system after the interstates went in some years from now. backroads... |
| 21:32.13 | guk | we're talking like 10-15 years |
| 21:32.16 | guk | IPv4 is here to stay |
| 21:32.18 | stoned | I could however use more upload. right now it goes not faster than 64kb/s, I think its like 512 kbit |
| 21:32.21 | guk | they can't make money off IPv6 |
| 21:32.26 | shogunx | stoned note apache does not support v6, iirc. only apache2. |
| 21:32.30 | Gnea | japan is moving to ipv6 this year. |
| 21:32.38 | stoned | shogunx, o' |
| 21:32.40 | stoned | doh |
| 21:32.40 | Gnea | and the US will move to ipv6 in 2008. |
| 21:32.42 | guk | apache1 does but you have to h4x0r some sick stuff into it ... kame.net offers the patches |
| 21:32.43 | stoned | I'll install apache2 |
| 21:32.47 | guk | the goverment will ... |
| 21:32.48 | stoned | I believe thats what I have |
| 21:32.57 | guk | doesn't mean the world will |
| 21:33.00 | stoned | btw |
| 21:33.04 | Gnea | guk: it's gonna happen, one way or another, particularly if the gov't says it'll happen. |
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| 21:33.13 | stoned | that laptop is still running ubuntu, I have not found a way to connect a monitor to it |
| 21:33.28 | stoned | so I can install debian |
| 21:33.28 | shogunx | Gnea is right. it will not be a quick rollout, though. |
| 21:33.28 | jelly-ho | Of course they _can_ make money off ipv6. All hardware has to be replaced/compliant. Lots of people have to be paid. |
| 21:33.30 | guk | eh ? the US goverment isn't the world ... it's getting the ISP's to change which is such a bitch ... because it's alot of money ... unless they work on a v4 -> v6 type tunnel from the modem on |
| 21:33.32 | Gnea | true |
| 21:33.33 | Dwonis | It'll be a lot better when DNSSEC is deployed |
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| 21:33.50 | Gnea | guk: who said the US gov't is the world? i sure as hell didn't. |
| 21:33.54 | jelly-ho | s/bolldy/bloody/ |
| 21:33.57 | shogunx | jelly-ho no hw need be replaced. just firmware, in some cases. |
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| 21:33.59 | stoned | jelly, thats one helluva typo |
| 21:34.20 | NestorReloaded | helo everyone |
| 21:34.26 | guk | well ... that's what your implying ... it's going to be along time before it switches ... and yeah firmware is the big thing ... like my WRT does not support IPv6 stock ... but putting linux on it ... now it's a tunnel which broadcasts IPv6 address's across my LAN |
| 21:34.40 | shogunx | the isp's don't roll it out because why throw away a cash cow like they have turned v4 into. $10 for a single address? please. |
| 21:34.59 | Gnea | guk: no, i didn't imply it at all. that was only your opinionated interpretation, nothing more. |
| 21:35.01 | guk | operating system support isn't a big deal ... Windows XP supports it (ipv6 install) and OS X and vista have it enabled stock |
| 21:35.20 | guk | vista tells you if you have IPv6 support internaly or externaly |
| 21:35.31 | guk | mine did anywho ... it's like "oh you have a IPv6 connection to the outside" |
| 21:35.32 | NestorReloaded | vista suck such as windows xp |
| 21:35.40 | guk | but they both support IPv6 |
| 21:35.43 | stoned | Gnea, I dunno if it was your or who, but remember or not, how I spent a few hours on those guitar theory .swf files, finally figured out they were flash8, and wouldn't work in linux |
| 21:35.47 | Gnea | so proof once more that linux runs the internet. :) |
| 21:35.47 | NestorReloaded | linux does too |
| 21:35.51 | jelly-ho | shogunx: I work at an isp. We toyed with the idea of providing ipv6 to end users, but there wasn't incentive. Where are they going to connect to (apart from some irc servers)? |
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| 21:35.58 | Gnea | well, *nix, that is. |
| 21:36.04 | guk | exactly ... 99% of my IPv6 traffic is IPv6 |
| 21:36.07 | guk | erm IRC |
| 21:36.09 | guk | duh |
| 21:36.09 | shogunx | jelly-ho chicken or egg question? |
| 21:36.16 | vid01 | Where is the configuration file for "vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386" in the distrabution? |
| 21:36.16 | jelly-ho | shogunx: indeed. |
| 21:36.17 | Gnea | stoned: i don't recall that |
| 21:36.20 | stoned | Gnea, or I think it was abrotman, I got it working. I wined firefox.exe and then the flash installer.exe and now I wine firefox |
| 21:36.31 | guk | untill there is some kinda service which would make a good use out of it (ie the IPv6 multicasting) I don't think it's going to become popular very quick |
| 21:36.31 | stoned | flash 8 works perfectly under linux through wine + has sound |
| 21:36.32 | NestorReloaded | have you already installed the package ? |
| 21:36.36 | llvllatrix | Does anyone know where I can find documentation on setting up dma on my cdrom? |
| 21:36.39 | Gnea | stoned: lol |
| 21:36.59 | shogunx | guk, to the masses? they will probably hate v6. |
| 21:37.02 | guk | with NAT they have extended the life of IPv4 quite a bit ... it's going to be a bit untill they run out |
| 21:37.10 | stoned | Gnea, sometimes you gotta nigga rig the shiz man |
| 21:37.20 | ick | Great, Cups has upgraded its user interface :) Now, I finally see an error message I can use. |
| 21:37.21 | NestorReloaded | vid01, try to find it in /boot as config-2.4.27... |
| 21:37.35 | shogunx | stoned, never underestimate the value of a well placed kludge. |
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| 21:37.49 | guk | the general masses won't notice ... by the time it comes out vista will be standard (or linux) which all support it nativly ... the ISP will broadcast a IPv6 (via radvd or the sort) and their OS will set it up automagicly (similar to DHCP) |
| 21:37.56 | stoned | shogunx, never underestimate The Mighty Leaf |
| 21:37.58 | Gnea | guk: enjoy your smugness |
| 21:38.05 | guk | I will ... |
| 21:38.17 | guk | in 10 years when your still one of 5 people running IPv6 ;) you'll be like "oh that guk guy was right" |
| 21:38.22 | NestorReloaded | guk stop talking about vista, I think this is a debian channel, am i wrong? |
| 21:38.22 | Gnea | ... while you can ;) |
| 21:38.28 | Dwonis | guk: with NAT, you never "run out" of addresses -- the network just gets more fragmented... which was one of the problems that IP was intended to solve |
| 21:38.29 | guk | it's an example ? |
| 21:38.37 | abrotman | stoned: eh? |
| 21:38.41 | vid01 | NestorReloaded: Thanks man, I looked there a wile ago but i guess just missed it. ~_^ |
| 21:38.43 | shogunx | guk, when the masses try to set up their home lan they will notice. |
| 21:38.45 | guk | you can lie and pretend till you hurt ... vista will be the top OS in 5 years ... |
| 21:38.49 | guk | :( |
| 21:38.53 | NestorReloaded | no problem ;) vid01 |
| 21:38.54 | stoned | abrotman, on oftc, cople nights ago, remember how flash kept giving me shit |
| 21:39.03 | unstable | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/LldKDE54.html |
| 21:39.05 | stoned | abrotman, the swf crap, finally got it working |
| 21:39.09 | unstable | ld can't find "collect2" is that right? |
| 21:39.10 | Gnea | guk: it looks pretty good in that toms preview, huh... |
| 21:39.12 | unstable | What package do I need? |
| 21:39.26 | guk | sha1sum: how so ? IPv6 should stup it's self automaticly ... even if the LAN still uses IPv4 ... the internet will use IPv6 |
| 21:39.32 | Gnea | guk: i wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket just yet. |
| 21:39.37 | guk | ah ... autocomplete |
| 21:39.43 | stoned | i'd made omlete |
| 21:39.48 | Gnea | lol |
| 21:39.51 | shogunx | guk, yes, there are lots of idiots out there who will lemming thier way into using vista. we are not them. |
| 21:39.56 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:40.08 | NestorReloaded | that's right shogunx, i think this is not a vista channel |
| 21:40.21 | stoned | guk, feel free to discuss this in ##windows |
| 21:40.22 | Dwonis | guk: I *just* finished talking about 6to4 |
| 21:40.25 | guk | well ... im not stating anything but just based on current trends you can't lie on stats ... |
| 21:40.28 | stoned | or #windows |
| 21:40.31 | stoned | whichever one it is |
| 21:40.40 | guk | and we're talking about public masses ... |
| 21:40.41 | NestorReloaded | or #shit |
| 21:40.45 | NestorReloaded | je, it's an alias LOL |
| 21:40.45 | guk | public masses + computers = windows |
| 21:41.00 | guk | maybe even OS X if apple releases it to the public |
| 21:41.02 | Gnea | guk: yes yes, common knowledge, let's move along... |
| 21:41.05 | Dwonis | #shit :Illegal channel name |
| 21:41.08 | Dwonis | damn |
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| 21:41.19 | stoned | Dwonis, try #fecalmatter |
| 21:41.24 | abrotman | stoned: wasn't me |
| 21:41.33 | NestorReloaded | stop with that men, comme on, I don't want to see any more comments about that "OS" you're talking about, ok? |
| 21:41.45 | Dwonis | stoned: I'm the op of #fecalmatter. I feel so 1337! |
| 21:41.45 | stoned | abrotman, oh ok, well either way, share my happyness, shit works now |
| 21:41.50 | stoned | lol |
| 21:41.57 | Gnea | NestorReloaded: there's always the /ignore command ;) |
| 21:42.08 | guk | it's just an operating system ? I don't bother getting all fussled I think they are pretty darn close to the same thing ... I hop on a debian system I use it I hop on a windows sytem I use it ... no point in spending all my time fighting about which OS is better or which OS does * better ... they each have downfalls just some different then others |
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| 21:42.11 | NestorReloaded | jejeje it will be better if we /kick him |
| 21:42.12 | NestorReloaded | jejeje |
| 21:42.16 | Dwonis | NestorReloaded: Who's talking about an OS? |
| 21:42.17 | abrotman | Dwonis: doesn't that forward to #ubuntu |
| 21:42.30 | Gnea | NestorReloaded: /ignore will do. |
| 21:42.32 | NestorReloaded | i'm sick of hearing "vista" and "windows xp" |
| 21:42.39 | guk | then go hide in a corner |
| 21:42.40 | guk | or /ignore |
| 21:42.41 | Dwonis | abrotman: Not yet |
| 21:43.06 | shogunx | guk gets his paycheck from redmond for spambot services. |
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| 21:43.12 | guk | naw ? |
| 21:43.12 | Dwonis | Silly NestorReloaded, those aren't OSes... are they? |
| 21:43.14 | stoned | guk, there is no other reason than desire. We do not wish to discuss vista at all. Why do you still want to keep talking about it, when we don't. You can keep saying stuff, I doubt you will get much out of it |
| 21:43.21 | NestorReloaded | jajaja righ Dwonis |
| 21:43.31 | guk | im not discussing vista ... I was discussing how popular operating systems support IPv6 off the bat |
| 21:43.37 | NestorReloaded | right, thoose are just an imitattion.. |
| 21:43.38 | stoned | ok |
| 21:43.38 | guk | and the 2 popular ones OS X and soon to be vista do |
| 21:43.49 | amphi | guk: 'soon'? haha |
| 21:43.51 | NestorReloaded | jajaja vista is dead man, so does microsoft |
| 21:43.58 | Gnea | guk: but then you went off on a tangent. |
| 21:44.01 | guk | well soon enough ... you should be able to steal the busniess release very soon |
| 21:44.02 | shogunx | and debian has for QUITE SOME TIME |
| 21:44.25 | guk | I know ... but we where discussing how IPv6 to the MASSES |
| 21:44.28 | guk | the masses do not use debian |
| 21:44.32 | guk | ;) |
| 21:44.32 | stoned | guk, and yet here we are discussing vista again |
| 21:44.35 | NestorReloaded | just for now... |
| 21:44.36 | stoned | drop it |
| 21:44.37 | amphi | guk: I expect it'll be delayed again - I don't covet it in any case |
| 21:44.39 | Gnea | fuck the masses |
| 21:44.39 | NestorReloaded | they sould, lol |
| 21:44.44 | ick | I can print a test page using cups, just not a ps file in evince.... WHY? |
| 21:44.58 | guk | yeah ... it should be delayed again ... from the looks of it (and I tried it) it's not near being finished |
| 21:44.58 | Gnea | oh wait, that's what ms already does |
| 21:45.16 | shogunx | Gnea heh heh |
| 21:45.18 | stoned | Gnea, and people pay for it! |
| 21:45.19 | NestorReloaded | Microsoft Windows - all bugs reserved |
| 21:45.22 | NestorReloaded | XD |
| 21:45.25 | Gnea | yup |
| 21:45.41 | guk | I don't mind trolling but I treat each OS as an equal ... each OS is good at some thing another OS is not ... which is why there is more then one OS ... |
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| 21:45.42 | stoned | people pay ms to figuratively 'sodomize' the masses |
| 21:45.54 | NestorReloaded | jajaja, he's insane |
| 21:45.55 | stoned | not that I'm saying anything new |
| 21:45.55 | Dwonis | "I don't mind trolling"... really? |
| 21:45.57 | shogunx | you know what i like best about windows? replacing it. |
| 21:46.10 | exhale | if i want a basic debian install am i fine apt-geting "xorg" and "kde" ? |
| 21:46.11 | Gnea | hrmm |
| 21:46.11 | stoned | shogunx, The elder scrolls oblivion! |
| 21:46.11 | rxed | Is it possible to insert a fortune cookie in thunderbird email replys? |
| 21:46.24 | NestorReloaded | so you're saying you want to pay for and "OS" that is not free, and inspite of that it's a disaster? |
| 21:46.26 | Dwonis | guk: that's not necessarily true. I can quite easily write an OS that's not good at anything. |
| 21:46.28 | Gnea | exhale: try x-window-system-core |
| 21:46.28 | ick | rxed: anything is possible |
| 21:46.34 | rxed | ick: very good. |
| 21:46.36 | guk | eh ? I like windows for the hardware and software support ... I want to play * game I play it ... I like linux for being able to host my website and that other stuff and not require being restarted once a month ... also the low hardware requirements make it optimal for my Dual P3 450 |
| 21:46.49 | stoned | shogunx, won't work under cedega linux, the only reason I have windows now is becase of this. Before that, last semester, I had to do some crazy algebra homework on IE that required mathxl player, some active X crap |
| 21:46.51 | guk | it's all about which is better for what your doing |
| 21:46.53 | exhale | Gnea, will that get me xorg? :) |
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| 21:46.58 | Gnea | exhale: and kde-core |
| 21:47.04 | Gnea | exhale: try it and see |
| 21:47.12 | Gnea | exhale: what branch are you running? |
| 21:47.14 | NestorReloaded | it's about filosofy too, and about non-privative software |
| 21:47.14 | Dwonis | guk: better != good |
| 21:47.17 | shogunx | stoned i would have sued for discrimination on having to use ie. |
| 21:47.23 | NestorReloaded | but, i guess that doesn't mother to you |
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| 21:47.28 | Gnea | NestorReloaded: and spelling properly, too |
| 21:47.30 | NestorReloaded | so, you are not a truly linux user |
| 21:47.33 | stoned | shogunx, I did file a formal complaint against the system |
| 21:47.35 | guk | no ... just it's pretty good at playing games and supporting rare ass hardware |
| 21:47.37 | exhale | Gnea, none as of yet |
| 21:47.39 | stoned | shogunx, nothing happened |
| 21:47.45 | Gnea | !troll NestorReloaded |
| 21:47.54 | NestorReloaded | :( |
| 21:48.01 | guk | I use linux and windows equally ... just each for it's own purpose |
| 21:48.11 | stoned | exactly |
| 21:48.19 | Dwonis | guk: Windows is good at supporting rare hardware? Does it run on Amiga or something? |
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| 21:48.28 | guk | Aztec Q233 |
| 21:48.28 | stoned | but this IS #debian, the support channel for __Debian___! |
| 21:48.30 | Dwonis | guk: *NetBSD* is good at supporting "rare ass hardware". |
| 21:48.31 | guk | etc etc |
| 21:48.32 | NestorReloaded | good point Dwonis |
| 21:48.38 | guk | the list goes on ... my P120 Intel webcam |
| 21:48.41 | stoned | you are free to makeup #chitchat |
| 21:48.42 | shogunx | stoned you just did it once ,and didn't take the opportunity to make a huge scene, just to avoid some homework? i'm ashamed of you:) |
| 21:48.43 | guk | etc etc |
| 21:48.46 | guk | my ATI All In Wonder ;) |
| 21:48.53 | NestorReloaded | !troll guk |
| 21:48.54 | stoned | lol |
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| 21:48.59 | AoA | Is there any way to uninstall just one package without there dependeces, using apt-get ? |
| 21:49.02 | Dwonis | NestorReloaded: +1\ |
| 21:49.11 | guk | I can keep the list going down ... of course if I wanted my system to be truely linux I would of went and researched on which hardware is supported best ... ie nvidia video card ... linux supported TV tuner |
| 21:49.19 | Gnea | !sunday |
| 21:49.20 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 21:49.21 | shogunx | guk do you have a live stream like this: http://gnuveau.net cam.html ? |
| 21:49.33 | guk | I don't have a live stream sorry |
| 21:49.40 | EvilCasey | I'll tell ya what, after using windows for 10 - 12 hours a day at work it's sure nice coming home to a Debian system, and stuff like that. |
| 21:49.52 | stoned | EvilCasey, tell me about it |
| 21:50.00 | EvilCasey | tell you about what? |
| 21:50.03 | EvilCasey | heh |
| 21:50.04 | shogunx | guk ohoh everybody! guks windows wont do a live stream, but my debian will! ooh ooh! |
| 21:50.06 | EvilCasey | j/k |
| 21:50.07 | stoned | heh |
| 21:50.11 | stoned | I figured |
| 21:50.13 | guk | ? |
| 21:50.23 | guk | I could ... I could fire up Windows Media Encoder and start a stream |
| 21:50.30 | guk | but why would I ? |
| 21:50.30 | stoned | dude |
| 21:50.32 | stoned | for fucks sake |
| 21:50.35 | shogunx | and eat all your ram? |
| 21:50.47 | shogunx | ok. i will stop feeding the troll now. |
| 21:50.54 | stoned | thank you |
| 21:50.58 | Dwonis | shogunx: heh |
| 21:50.59 | guk | well ... im not trolling ... I just don't like people going "WIndows sux lol" |
| 21:51.12 | guk | each OS has a reason ... and well some OS's are better at stuff then other OS's |
| 21:51.18 | beardy | guk: Do you think it does not do that? |
| 21:51.35 | guk | I know linux doesn't support my All in Wonder video card |
| 21:51.35 | NestorReloaded | people you know a way of installing enlightenment17 and enlightenment 16 on the same machine? |
| 21:51.36 | EvilCasey | "<blank> Sux LOL" is a good format. |
| 21:51.37 | Dwonis | guk: That's not an objective viewpoint. |
| 21:51.37 | stoned | shogunx, I didn't mean to go off on ya, but I guess it was obvious, my bad. but it was kinda annoying |
| 21:51.40 | guk | so live streaming would be kinda silly right ? |
| 21:51.48 | exhale | lmao |
| 21:52.13 | ick | guk: MS doesn't support your card, ATI does. |
| 21:52.25 | Dwonis | NestorReloaded: build one of them from source? |
| 21:52.28 | beardy | guk: Why are you here then? |
| 21:52.30 | guk | oh I know ... but ATI does not offer support for it very well under linux ... |
| 21:52.39 | ick | guk: so, that's your fault. |
| 21:52.40 | jelly-ho | windows is decent. I had turned on my bluetooth phone and it just worked. Spent more than 2 hours to make it somewhat work on Debian. |
| 21:52.42 | guk | but I built this machine to be a windows machine ... so I went with a windows solution ... |
| 21:52.42 | exhale | thats because ati sucks. |
| 21:52.47 | Gnea | SOLOSOFT SUCKS!! |
| 21:52.49 | NestorReloaded | nop Dwonis,using an apt repository |
| 21:52.49 | Gnea | :) |
| 21:52.52 | stoned | guk, do you have anything to contribute to #debian? Do you have a debian specific problem you'd like help with? |
| 21:52.53 | exhale | they can barely write drivers for windows |
| 21:53.03 | guk | I will admit to that |
| 21:53.21 | guk | although they have made a Windows Media Center encoder so I don't have to use that joke called the "ATI Media Center" |
| 21:53.27 | exhale | but why doesnt the fglrx driver work for you? |
| 21:53.27 | ick | guk: How old are you? You seem to be lacking something. |
| 21:53.36 | Dwonis | What I like about Windows is that it makes your computer just work... especially remotely... for *anyone* who wants to use it (well, except you) |
| 21:53.36 | guk | cause it doesn't support my TV card |
| 21:53.43 | exhale | aha |
| 21:53.46 | EvilCasey | haha... that was a good neg ick |
| 21:53.47 | Gnea | guk: you must be new to these here #debian parts |
| 21:53.48 | guk | but my P3 450 runs debian ... |
| 21:53.54 | guk | http://www.solosoft.org/sysinfo |
| 21:54.12 | guk | no ... I just can't stand when people go "oh windows sucks" |
| 21:54.15 | exhale | does anyone have some good tip on getting a bit of scratched cd-rw to work? |
| 21:54.15 | guk | when really it doesn't |
| 21:54.18 | ick | EvilCasey: What is a "neg"? |
| 21:54.20 | stoned | oh windows sucks |
| 21:54.24 | stoned | big time |
| 21:54.24 | Gokee2 | Is there a boot log? eg something that says the same think1234keego |
| 21:54.33 | guk | I could put up the same fight vs debian ... and people of course would get pissed ... cause this is a debian channel ... but people should have more of an open mind ... |
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| 21:54.40 | Gokee2 | thing* |
| 21:54.41 | exhale | guk, your in an irc channel full of linux zealots.. ofcourse they are biased |
| 21:54.46 | Gnea | guk: i have a better idea: let people have their opinions and stop trying to shove your word-of-god down their throats. |
| 21:54.46 | stoned | guk, here is a lesson. DEAL with it. People will say that, and you can't go off on everyone. Let it go |
| 21:54.49 | shogunx | NestorReloaded, if you can get e17 to build completely, it should reside in /usr/local/ as opposed to /usr for the e16 packages |
| 21:54.53 | Dwonis | guk: It sucks. Seriously. I've used it *and* other operating systems, both professionally and otherwise, for years, and that's my conclusion. |
| 21:54.58 | beardy | exhale: Take guk by the hand and walk off. |
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| 21:55.01 | Dwonis | guk: regardless of your emotional issues with that |
| 21:55.01 | guk | haah ... now you guys are getting all pissed over nothing |
| 21:55.02 | amphi | exhale: brasso |
| 21:55.06 | beardy | exhale: And close the door. |
| 21:55.13 | guk | if you don't like my opinion which exactly what it is ... then don't listen to it ... |
| 21:55.18 | guk | what more can I say ? |
| 21:55.23 | exhale | lmao.. people biting flamebait |
| 21:55.24 | Gnea | guk: who's getting pissed? you're offtopic. |
| 21:55.25 | Dwonis | *plonk* |
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| 21:55.32 | NestorReloaded | Y know that shogunx, but i'm trying to do it at the apt way ;) |
| 21:55.36 | Gnea | guk: better yet, how would you like to have your domain blocked out? |
| 21:55.43 | guk | ? |
| 21:55.44 | stoned | ugh |
| 21:55.49 | Gnea | yeah, that's what i thought. |
| 21:55.49 | guk | over nothing ... |
| 21:55.50 | guk | giver |
| 21:55.56 | Surferdude | anyone know how to upgrade gcc from 3.3 to 4.0 on sarge? |
| 21:55.57 | Gnea | right, over nothing. |
| 21:56.08 | NestorReloaded | !troll guk |
| 21:56.15 | beardy | !botabuse |
| 21:56.16 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 21:56.17 | EvilCasey | ick: a neg is neither a compliment nor an insult. It leaves the target vulnerable in a social situation. It's a good strategy. |
| 21:56.47 | Gnea | actually, over the fact that you don't hold 'respect' as a value |
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| 21:56.47 | stoned | guk, you've kept #debian offtopic for a long while now. It is enough, please stop. I asked you if you had a debian specific problem or not? Otherwise you are not contributing anything to us either |
| 21:56.48 | NestorReloaded | Surferdude, apt-get update && apt-get install gcc |
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| 21:56.48 | guk | oh I hold respect ... but for people to get all pissy over me mentioning a popular OS that supports IPv6 ? |
| 21:56.48 | killown | opera run macromedia flash player? |
| 21:56.48 | NestorReloaded | if you have an up to date repository |
| 21:56.50 | Gnea | guk: still, it's offtopic. |
| 21:57.04 | Gnea | guk: and nothing you say or do will change that. |
| 21:57.04 | guk | eh ... at the time it was quite ontopic |
| 21:57.15 | stoned | killown, i recently got flash 8 working under linux. You need to wine firefox intaller, instlal it. Then you need to wine the flashplugin isntaller.exe and install that |
| 21:57.18 | Dwonis | I don't know of any OS that actually implements all of the required portions of IPv6 |
| 21:57.19 | ick | EvilCasey: That's not in the dictionaries I have... |
| 21:57.19 | Gnea | that was then, this is now your final warning. |
| 21:57.24 | simonrvn | Surferdude: you don't, IIRC. i don't think sarge has 4.x. try backports? |
| 21:57.24 | shogunx | NestorReloaded, there are e17 packages now? |
| 21:57.26 | stoned | killown, then just wine firefox, and flash 8 will work under linux |
| 21:57.41 | beardy | Dwonis: That was a lousy plonking. |
| 21:57.47 | stoned | killown, for other stuff, please try apt-cache search swf or apt-cache search flash |
| 21:57.47 | NestorReloaded | yeah shogunx, there are some on the net |
| 21:57.51 | EvilCasey | ick: it wouldn't be in YOUR dictionaries. You how how I did that? |
| 21:58.01 | killown | stoned thanks |
| 21:58.02 | EvilCasey | s/how/see/ |
| 21:58.07 | stoned | killown, you're welcome |
| 21:58.08 | Dwonis | beardy: what? that was completely random |
| 21:58.16 | ick | EvilCasey: Probably because you made it up. |
| 21:58.28 | ick | EvilCasey: And it's not a widely accepted word. |
| 21:58.44 | Surferdude | Well is there an easy way to compile a kernel in debian then |
| 21:58.52 | beardy | !wayc Surferdude |
| 21:58.53 | dpkg | Surferdude: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 21:58.55 | NestorReloaded | yes... you can use make-kpgp |
| 21:58.56 | ick | EvilCasey: I.e. you made it up in your basement, and told nobody, s.t. you could look interesting here. |
| 21:58.58 | EvilCasey | ick: Yeah. you're probobly right. Or ARE you? |
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| 21:59.01 | NestorReloaded | make-kpgp sorry |
| 21:59.05 | Dwonis | beardy: Yeah, I'd be an ineffective parent. |
| 21:59.06 | shogunx | NestorReloaded, but not in any debian tree, right? |
| 21:59.11 | Surferdude | I need a custom kernel |
| 21:59.20 | Gnea | !debian kernel |
| 21:59.21 | dpkg | kp is probably To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev"and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 21:59.24 | NestorReloaded | nop... far from it... e17 it's still developing |
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| 21:59.31 | Dwonis | beardy: ... with my empty threats and hollow plonks |
| 21:59.43 | ick | e17 is like Duke Nukem Forever. |
| 21:59.45 | beardy | Dwonis: whatever |
| 21:59.53 | shogunx | NestorReloaded, i have both on this box i am using now, and e17 is still a bit rough, but stable enough to be usable. |
| 22:00.05 | ricky_clarkson | Isn't e17 a crap pop band? |
| 22:00.15 | NestorReloaded | but you compile it shogunx ? |
| 22:00.20 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: leave your mom out of this |
| 22:00.25 | shogunx | ricky_clarkson, i thought that was l7 |
| 22:00.33 | shogunx | NestorReloaded, yes, from cvs sources. |
| 22:00.42 | ricky_clarkson | It used to be East 17, then they dropped the Abstract Syntax Tree. |
| 22:00.45 | beardy | !plonk |
| 22:00.45 | dpkg | methinks plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 22:00.47 | EvilCasey | ick: HAHA! I don't even have a basement, fooled you! |
| 22:00.48 | beardy | Dwonis: ^^ |
| 22:00.59 | NestorReloaded | mmm interesting, it's complicated? I have few experiencies compiling from CVS |
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| 22:01.31 | shogunx | Nestor should work ok on testing, but unstable has a conflict somewhere in the automake. |
| 22:01.47 | shogunx | NestorReloaded, ^^ |
| 22:01.49 | NestorReloaded | i'm using etch, so there will be no problem, thanks |
| 22:01.54 | NestorReloaded | :P |
| 22:01.54 | stoned | Gnea, some people would take offence to that, because they don't know you're kidding. It is best left alone, or perhaps a smiley at the end might indicicate that you are kidding. If you aren't kidding however, more power to ya |
| 22:02.25 | dffghd | backing up win2k3 systems, ntfsclone versus dd, which is more reliable in your experience? Or is there some other option even better? |
| 22:02.28 | Gnea | stoned: oh i was totally kidding, and ricky knows it :) |
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| 22:02.39 | shogunx | NestorReloaded, you must follow the build instructions closely, and build all the libs in a certain order, linking in between each. |
| 22:02.47 | stoned | word, just saying, not every one is familiar with the western yo momma jokes |
| 22:02.59 | NestorReloaded | ok.. that information is in get-e.org isn't it? |
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| 22:03.21 | Gnea | roger that |
| 22:03.36 | ricky_clarkson | stoned: "your mom" is grounds for removal on the channels I'm an operator in. ;) |
| 22:03.37 | Dwonis | e17 is *still* is pre-alpha? |
| 22:03.41 | Gnea | stoned: actually, it's a mix of eastern and western |
| 22:03.55 | shogunx | NestorReloaded, http://enlightenment.sourceforge.net/Enlightenment/Get_Enlightenment/Build_Notes/ |
| 22:03.58 | abrotman | it's a race to the finish .. e17 or DNF |
| 22:04.02 | Gnea | stoned: and a bit of midwestern as well... one could even go so far as to say 'american' ;) |
| 22:04.04 | NestorReloaded | thanks a lot shogunx |
| 22:04.05 | Dwonis | !dnf |
| 22:04.05 | dpkg | dnf is, like, disjunction normal form, or 'or' |
| 22:04.11 | Dwonis | abrotman: DNF? |
| 22:04.13 | abrotman | duke nukem forever |
| 22:04.19 | stoned | ricky_clarkson, I don't believe in censorship, but I also dont' believe in potentially disrespecing someone |
| 22:04.22 | Dwonis | abrotman: heh |
| 22:04.34 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: There are things further east than New York. |
| 22:04.37 | Dwonis | abrotman: Where does a usable version of the HURD fit in? |
| 22:04.46 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: that are not american |
| 22:04.49 | shogunx | Dwonis, its pretty sweet if you get it to build. |
| 22:05.01 | Dwonis | shogunx: I thought it didn't have virtual memory yet. |
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| 22:05.14 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: except for mass, ct and a few other states :) |
| 22:05.21 | stoned | abrotman, that game is badass, or are you just saying that 'duke nukem' forever! |
| 22:05.23 | NestorReloaded | bye people, thanks to all |
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| 22:05.40 | shogunx | Dwonis, runs great on my old mystique 220/ tnt2 xinerama setup. |
| 22:05.41 | ick | No wonder my machine didn't print... artsd takes up 99% CPU... |
| 22:05.43 | Dwonis | shogunx: and does it still run on Mach? |
| 22:06.03 | shogunx | Dwonis, i have not tried to build it on hurd. |
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| 22:06.36 | stoned | abrotman, you've played duke nukem manhattan project? all this talk of ny got me thinkin ehehe |
| 22:06.37 | elik | Hello, I am having troubles setting up my graphic server to run in 16:10 resolution mode (1280*800) |
| 22:06.58 | shogunx | Dwonis, does great on X11 sessions served via xdmcp from an alphaserver too. |
| 22:06.59 | elik | I tried to add a modeline to my XFree config file but it didnt work |
| 22:07.02 | Dwonis | shogunx: wait, were you talking about the HURD or e17? |
| 22:07.09 | ick | Uh, how do I completely disable artsd? |
| 22:07.11 | abrotman | stoned: it hasn't been released yet |
| 22:07.12 | shogunx | Dwonis, talking about e17 |
| 22:07.22 | Dwonis | shogunx: ah... that makes MUCH more sense |
| 22:07.26 | ick | killall -SIGKILL artsd works, but it comes back. |
| 22:07.27 | stoned | elik, does your card support that resolution? Does your monitor? Have you specified the proper vert/horiz freq.? |
| 22:07.43 | beardy | ick: stop it, pu´rge it, but if you run kde, it'll probably remove it. |
| 22:08.03 | ick | There is some mechanism "If crashed, then restart" going on. |
| 22:08.04 | shogunx | Dwonis, ahh. i see the hurd thread now. i bet that was confusing. |
| 22:08.04 | beardy | s/pu´rge/purge |
| 22:08.23 | elik | stoned, My monitor support it and so does my intel extreme 2 on-chip card (windows proved it)... now, about the vert horiz freq... |
| 22:08.23 | beardy | ick: /etc/init.d/arts stop |
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| 22:08.35 | shogunx | Dwonis, i don't think hurd has virtual mem... has swap. |
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| 22:08.37 | beardy | !kill-0 |
| 22:08.40 | beardy | !kill-9 |
| 22:08.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, kill-9 is do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead |
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| 22:08.55 | ick | beardy: great |
| 22:08.56 | Dwonis | shogunx: Don't you have to have virtual memory to have swap? |
| 22:08.59 | beardy | but in this case, do it right instead |
| 22:09.01 | jelly-ho | elik: laptop? |
| 22:09.16 | shogunx | Dwonis, swap partition worked on the last hurd box i played with. |
| 22:09.18 | elik | jelly-ho, yes |
| 22:09.23 | ick | beardy: no such file |
| 22:09.31 | WillieDaPimp | how do i go about installing a .deb file i downloaded with command line? |
| 22:09.36 | beardy | ick: art* |
| 22:09.42 | beardy | ick: tab-completion |
| 22:09.42 | ick | beardy: there's nothing in init.d starting with art |
| 22:09.43 | elik | jelly-ho, I wouldnt buy such a weird screen for a desktop :P |
| 22:09.49 | stoned | elik, those are specific to your monitor. You need to lookup the model number/manufacturer of monitor on the back, google it or check manufacturer site, and then specify the horizontal and vertical frequency ranged for your monitor in /etc/X11/(xorg)(XF86Config-4) etc. |
| 22:09.56 | jelly-ho | elik: brand, model? My ibm Z60m works fine with 1280x800. |
| 22:10.12 | beardy | ick: Look at the other files, it should have one there, but perhaps it's called something else. |
| 22:10.19 | stoned | elik, or you can use dpkg |
| 22:10.21 | Dwonis | WillieDaPimp: Well, you probably shouldn't, but dpkg -i foo.deb will do it |
| 22:10.22 | shogunx | Dwonis, it even had a part in the installer that specifically said make a swap partition, hurd gets ugly w/o it. |
| 22:10.32 | stoned | !drxx elik |
| 22:10.32 | elik | jelly-ho, Gateway (i know it sucks but it was given) 7330GH |
| 22:10.32 | dpkg | elik: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 22:10.49 | WillieDaPimp | Dwonis, why do you say i probably shouldn't ?? |
| 22:11.34 | stoned | elik, the problem is related to your frequency specs. Fix those, and you'll be fine |
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| 22:11.42 | Dwonis | WillieDaPimp: Well, most packages are in the repository (available via "apt-get install packagename"), and there are a number of .deb packages that aren't actually *for* Debian. (They're for Xandros/Ubuntu/Knoppix/etc) |
| 22:11.51 | elik | stoned, how I get to know those specs if it's a laptop? |
| 22:12.01 | stoned | elik, check the manufacturers website |
| 22:12.12 | elik | stoned, I checked gateway website but it wont tell which brand it is |
| 22:12.20 | Dwonis | WillieDaPimp: what package is it? |
| 22:12.22 | abrotman | which brand what is? |
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| 22:12.25 | stoned | elik, it should say on the bottom of the laptop |
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| 22:12.29 | WillieDaPimp | Dwonis, this is the skype.deb that i downloaded from skype's webpage |
| 22:12.43 | stoned | WillieDaPimp, qt precompiled or not? |
| 22:12.47 | elik | abrotman, resolution problem with a 16:10 screen |
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| 22:12.59 | elik | abrotman, on my gateway 7330GH laptop |
| 22:12.59 | abrotman | 16:9 ? |
| 22:13.02 | jelly-ho | elik: I suggest following the generic procedure. It worked here, and it may work for you if the display reports DDC correctly. |
| 22:13.10 | acad | whats the proper way to remove the root account? |
| 22:13.13 | ick | beardy: not working. |
| 22:13.15 | WillieDaPimp | stoned, no i only use e16 on my debian system |
| 22:13.21 | elik | hum... no think it's really 16:10 (Laptop widescreen) |
| 22:13.35 | stoned | abrotman, he wants to run 1600x1200 |
| 22:13.37 | elik | jelly-ho, will try it out |
| 22:13.50 | elik | More 1280*800 |
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| 22:13.57 | elik | but same ratio I think |
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| 22:14.01 | jelly-ho | elik: you did set "i810" driver, right? |
| 22:14.12 | elik | nope, think I took vesa< |
| 22:14.12 | abrotman | ok ... it's not 16:10 |
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| 22:14.20 | Dwonis | WillieDaPimp: FYI, the Skype .deb package didn't work for me... I can't remember why |
| 22:14.32 | hocus | hi, there's a way to know what process is using s mount that's busy ? |
| 22:14.38 | WillieDaPimp | stoned, does qt need to be precompiled?? |
| 22:14.39 | stoned | Dwonis, the skype .deb with qt precompiled works, the one without hurts my head |
| 22:14.40 | Dwonis | WillieDaPimp: I think I ended up unpacking a tarball and using stow to install it in /usr/local |
| 22:14.40 | elik | abrotman, it is... just divide it |
| 22:14.42 | unstable | Is there a program like xvidcap in debian main? Something I can use to record my screen and make a video? |
| 22:14.57 | elik | jelly-ho, no, I took vesa generic driver |
| 22:15.00 | stoned | WillieDaPimp, there are two versions of the skype deb |
| 22:15.06 | elik | jelly-ho, would it be the problem? |
| 22:15.27 | jelly-ho | elik: part of it, yes. |
| 22:15.34 | Dwonis | stoned: This was in February (a customer wanted to talk to me over Skype... otherwise I wouldn't have bothered installing it), so it's quite possible that they've fixed it now |
| 22:15.42 | stoned | perhaps |
| 22:15.42 | WillieDaPimp | stoned, so i need to install qt first ?? cause on the website i only saw one .deb package |
| 22:15.43 | jelly-ho | elik: vesa driver is pretty stupid. |
| 22:15.58 | elik | Dwonis, dont think skype changed much in last few months |
| 22:15.59 | stoned | WillieDaPimp, my information is probably outdated, ignore me |
| 22:16.05 | elik | Dwonis, wont move much |
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| 22:16.18 | OT | anyone knows a utility for scanning my partition for bad clusters ? |
| 22:16.18 | elik | Dwonis, it still uses OSS only |
| 22:16.24 | WillieDaPimp | stoned, ok i'll try installing it without qt first |
| 22:16.25 | Dwonis | elik: I think it was a packaging/dependency issue. It wouldn't be hard for them to fix that |
| 22:16.28 | formorer | badblocks |
| 22:16.44 | Dwonis | elik: and I was just about to complain about the OSS-onliness of it |
| 22:16.57 | hocus | hi, there's a way to know what process is using s mount that's busy ? |
| 22:16.59 | elik | Dwonis, lol, yes it sucks |
| 22:17.00 | jelly-ho | Dwonis: the forums suggest nobody works at the linux version. |
| 22:17.13 | stoned | oh |
| 22:17.13 | ick | artsd is started from init according to pstree. |
| 22:17.14 | stoned | yeah |
| 22:17.15 | jelly-ho | s/at/on/ |
| 22:17.18 | stoned | I know the problem |
| 22:17.24 | OT | anyone knows a utility for scanning my partition for bad clusters ? |
| 22:17.24 | stoned | i think |
| 22:17.28 | ick | But how do I find where it comes from? |
| 22:17.42 | elik | Dwonis, if you read the forums, they talk about a workaround for OSS only... but didnt try it myself |
| 22:17.50 | stoned | WillieDaPimp, use the precompiled skype binaray, static version, one with qt compiled in. The others never worked form |
| 22:17.51 | jelly-ho | ick: kde started it? |
| 22:17.52 | stoned | for me* |
| 22:17.52 | WillieDaPimp | stoned, it's for my wife, she has the debian system, so i hope it works |
| 22:17.58 | Dwonis | elik: I think I tried it... I don't think it worked |
| 22:18.05 | OT | anyone knows a utility for scanning my partition for bad clusters ? |
| 22:18.13 | amphi | OT: badblocks |
| 22:18.17 | elik | Dwonis, I usually close everything that plays sound, kill anything using the device, then start it :P |
| 22:18.21 | Dwonis | elik: actually, I think I just tried aoss, and *that* didn't work, so I didn't bother |
| 22:18.27 | stoned | WillieDaPimp, do not use the .deb skype provides, download the static binary, and then expand it, and then use ./skype or something to launch it |
| 22:18.35 | amphi | OT: you might want to run smartctl on the drive if you suspect hw errors |
| 22:18.36 | stoned | WillieDaPimp, ime thats the only way I got skype to work |
| 22:18.38 | beardy | !repeat |
| 22:18.39 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:19.04 | thingfish | haha williedapimp |
| 22:19.06 | elik | Dwonis, yeah, the oss stuff... also caused me troubles... found out it was easier to just close all other devices... |
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| 22:19.16 | thingfish | WillieDaPimp: recognize me? |
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| 22:19.22 | thingfish | ;) |
| 22:19.22 | WillieDaPimp | stoned i'm not exactly sure what you mean by that...but i tried and got this error >> Package libstdc++5 is not installed. |
| 22:19.24 | ick | jelly-ho: It's direct under init in the pstree, that does mean init started it, right? |
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| 22:19.34 | jelly-ho | ick: no. |
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| 22:19.49 | Dwonis | elik: yeah. I'm not running KDE or anything (though sometimes I run artsd for Kopete), so that's what I did as well. It's really annoying, though. |
| 22:19.54 | WillieDaPimp | thingfish, hrmm....i don't know, should i know you? |
| 22:20.03 | stoned | WillieDaPimp, then install it |
| 22:20.05 | elik | Dwonis, it is |
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| 22:20.16 | ick | jelly-ho: then what does it mean? And how am I going to find out how to kill the program that started it? |
| 22:20.26 | jelly-ho | ick: it could be just that the process which started it finished itself, in which case init becomes the parent. |
| 22:20.32 | Dwonis | elik: same goes with the stupid Flash plugin via Crossover plugin |
| 22:20.43 | elik | yeah, on the same forum :P |
| 22:20.47 | ick | jelly-ho: like screen? |
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| 22:21.00 | thingfish | WillieDaPimp: tsk your nick is a zappa song (off 'Hot Rats'); mine is a zappa album. You should know this. |
| 22:21.14 | ick | jelly-ho: nm |
| 22:21.26 | Dwonis | people say that free and proprietary software can co-exist... I might agree if the proprietary stuff wasn't always dragging behind |
| 22:21.34 | stoned | WillieDaPimp, http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-static <-- this will download the file. use tar jxvf and extract it, cd to where it was extracted, and then run it with ./skype or whatever the binary name is. If it complains about needing some libs, install them with apt-get install, or first search what you need by apt-cache search |
| 22:21.50 | WillieDaPimp | thingfish, oh yes i did notice that, but i thought you were saying that i knew you from somewhere |
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| 22:22.18 | stoned | my nick is from.. uhh... |
| 22:22.19 | thingfish | WillieDaPimp: oh ok, good. ;) |
| 22:22.21 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:22.22 | Dwonis | VMware seems to be the only piece of proprietary software that I have that isn't total crap... and even it still only supports OSS |
| 22:22.25 | ick | Dwonis: how do I kill artsd such that it doesn't come back? Not a problem one has on Windows. |
| 22:22.37 | Luckychui | so far which is the top few chosen web appliance for webhosting that has least exploits or is very active ? |
| 22:22.51 | stoned | ick, killall -9 artsd |
| 22:22.56 | Dwonis | ick: I dunno. I manually run artsd in my .xsession (since I'm not running KDE), so when I kill it, it stays dead |
| 22:23.03 | stoned | ick, then turn it off in kcontrol |
| 22:23.18 | Dwonis | ick: as an alternative, you could try "artsshell suspend" and hope that nothing tries using it |
| 22:23.34 | elik | jelly-ho, hum... no 1280x800 resolution... only 1280-960 or 1280x1024 (std...) |
| 22:23.36 | stoned | ick, use kcontrol to turn it off. |
| 22:23.56 | serfurj | is it okay to get rid of /usr/src/linux-OLDVERSION* ? |
| 22:23.56 | ick | stoned: I installed kcontrol for that purpose and it does NOT work. |
| 22:24.16 | WillieDaPimp | thingfish, not many of us zappa fans still around IRC, i used to be a member of a zappa channel back in 91' when i was on irc.xworld.org, but the owner of the channel passed away about a year or two ago, he did all of frank's cd re-mastereing |
| 22:24.18 | jelly-ho | elik: you mean in debconf dialog? that's normal. Choose anything, I think I chose 1024x768. |
| 22:24.33 | stoned | ick, if it stays off in kcontrol, AND you killed all artsd processes, it will not come back |
| 22:24.38 | elik | jelly-ho, ?? ok, and what happens next? |
| 22:24.46 | unstable | I apt-get installed istanbul; and I try to run it in a terminal by typing "istanbul" and it just doesn't run. It just hangs. How can I figure out what is wrong? /var/log/messages shows nothing |
| 22:24.48 | stoned | processes dont magically start/stop |
| 22:24.50 | ick | stoned: I did that, and it does not work. |
| 22:24.59 | stoned | well then thats strange |
| 22:25.08 | ick | stoned: More precisely: I "disabled the sound system" |
| 22:25.17 | Dwonis | ick: is artsd running as another user? |
| 22:25.19 | stoned | ick, killall -9 artsd && ps auxf|grep arts |
| 22:25.19 | jelly-ho | elik: start X, and complain if it doesn't show up in native res. ;-) |
| 22:25.43 | ick | stoned: nm, I did it as root, not as normal user. |
| 22:26.02 | abrotman | unstable: strace |
| 22:26.06 | elik | jelly-ho, i'll just ctrl-alt-backspace it... see you in a few |
| 22:26.15 | stoned | heh, the u flag did it for ya ;) |
| 22:27.07 | Dwonis | heh. it just occurred to me that some people still run X sessions as root |
| 22:27.13 | stoned | heh |
| 22:27.18 | Dwonis | I haven't done that in ages |
| 22:27.29 | sirius | I wish i could update to the 8.25.18 ati drivers :( |
| 22:27.39 | ick | stoned: nope, it doesn't work. |
| 22:27.52 | Dwonis | ick: Does artsd have a parent process? |
| 22:28.10 | ick | Dwonis: init |
| 22:28.10 | stoned | !ppid |
| 22:28.10 | dpkg | [ppid] Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 22:28.41 | unstable | abrotman: Are you on sid ? |
| 22:28.42 | Dwonis | ick: Is artsd actually *dying* (i.e. is it getting a new pid)? |
| 22:28.53 | ick | Dwonis: 4991 1 R ? 00:00:55 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessag |
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| 22:29.05 | stoned | ick, may I suggest #kde, the arts people |
| 22:29.19 | ick | Dwonis: It gets a new pid |
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| 22:29.32 | unstable | Can someone running sid; apt-get install istanbul; and confirm it won't run. So I know before I file a bug report |
| 22:29.34 | jelly-ho | ick: did you disable it in kcontrol? |
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| 22:29.42 | ick | jelly-ho: yes |
| 22:29.43 | Dwonis | ick: I dunno, then. Nag #kde |
| 22:29.48 | elik | jelly-ho :( |
| 22:30.01 | elik | jelly-ho, same fat resolution (stretched) |
| 22:30.05 | jelly-ho | ick: yeah, I'm out of options too. |
| 22:30.08 | Dwonis | ick: well, or you could slay your X session and replace it with ratpoison or something |
| 22:30.15 | stoned | hehe |
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| 22:30.18 | stoned | ratpoison |
| 22:30.22 | abrotman | unstable: no .. i'm smarter than that |
| 22:30.33 | jelly-ho | elik: oh. does /var/log/Xorg.0.log mention 1280x800 at all? |
| 22:30.36 | elik | !beer abrotman |
| 22:30.37 | stoned | abrotman, no you're not |
| 22:30.38 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:30.56 | ick | Dwonis: well, I think I will kill X then... but this doesn't look like it works correctly.... :( |
| 22:31.03 | elik | jelly-ho, it wouldnt... as I'm in Xfree ;) |
| 22:31.09 | jelly-ho | elik: I have, between other things, (II) I810(0): PanelID returned panel resolution : 1280x800 |
| 22:31.17 | abrotman | unstable: does strace give any outpout >? |
| 22:31.19 | ick | Dwonis: Debian is not perfect |
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| 22:31.32 | stoned | debian IS pececttion!! |
| 22:31.38 | jelly-ho | elik: whatever, XFree86.0.log then :-F |
| 22:31.39 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 22:31.43 | Dwonis | stoned: heh |
| 22:31.44 | elik | jelly-ho, where is it? |
| 22:31.47 | Gnurdux | how long will it take to fix the tightvncserver package? |
| 22:31.59 | jelly-ho | elik: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 22:32.31 | stoned | oh my keyboard sucks |
| 22:32.51 | jelly-ho | elik: could be the old X don't detect the hardware that well. |
| 22:32.56 | sirius | I have 2 sound cards in my system, on board and a Creative Audigy 7.1 card. They both work but the onboard card seams to be the defualt one to load in linux. When i reboot sometimes and i use alsamixer, onboard is the one it only alows me to edit the creative is not there. I have to do a alsaconf and select my creative card to get it working and then i have to reajust all the volume settings. This is a pain in the butt considering i reb |
| 22:32.56 | sirius | oot alot with other problems im working on. anyone have any suggestions ? |
| 22:33.04 | elik | jelly-ho, brb, will just read the 1451 lines :P |
| 22:33.17 | stoned | sirius, alsaconf and select the card to use |
| 22:33.18 | jelly-ho | elik: paste it somewhere. |
| 22:33.29 | jelly-ho | elik: /msg dpkg paster |
| 22:33.33 | sirius | stoned: i have to do that every time i reboot if you read |
| 22:33.37 | stoned | no |
| 22:34.01 | stoned | I don't see it |
| 22:34.04 | stoned | where did you say it? |
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| 22:34.22 | stoned | oh |
| 22:34.22 | sirius | well i guess i didnt well i have to do that every time i reboot |
| 22:34.25 | jelly-ho | elik: also the /etc/X11/XFree86Config-4 (sp?) might be useful. |
| 22:34.27 | unstable | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/703478 |
| 22:35.14 | unstable | abrotman: The package apt-get installed properly. no errors. Just doesn't start properly.(at all) |
| 22:35.17 | stoned | hah, xchat screwed up on me, 2nd half of your sentence was blank |
| 22:35.24 | sirius | o |
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| 22:35.33 | stoned | I had to switch to another tab and then back and it fixed it |
| 22:35.35 | elik | jelly-ho, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2815 |
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| 22:36.00 | abrotman | unstable: looks like a dependency is missing |
| 22:36.11 | sirius | well i just need to know if there is a way to stop having to do alsaconf all the time |
| 22:36.14 | elik | jelly-ho, but now not sure I have the 1024x800 entry as I ran the configuration |
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| 22:36.25 | unstable | abrotman: pygtk? |
| 22:36.39 | stoned | sirius, I've never looked that deeply into alsa and how it works. sorry |
| 22:36.42 | abrotman | unstable: eh .. not sure yet |
| 22:36.46 | sirius | k] |
| 22:36.55 | stoned | sirius, there has to be a config somewhere |
| 22:37.02 | abrotman | !find strop.py sid |
| 22:37.05 | stoned | sirius, dpkg -L alsa etc. |
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| 22:37.10 | stoned | sirius, grep for conf |
| 22:37.41 | jelly-ho | elik: you still use vesa driver? |
| 22:37.50 | unstable | abrotman: apt-file search strop.py shows nothing |
| 22:37.56 | elik | jelly-ho, here is the config file, 1024x800 and the modeline are the stuff I added http://channels.debian.net/paste/2816. |
| 22:38.16 | Gnurdux | how do you get dpkg to tell you why something isn't in testing? |
| 22:38.18 | jelly-ho | it found mode for 1280x800 though. |
| 22:38.24 | jelly-ho | elik: seems it found mode for 1280x800 though. |
| 22:38.27 | abrotman | unstable: did you run apt-file update first? |
| 22:38.33 | elik | jelly-ho, ??? really, I just rerun the config and supposedly overwrote my old config file |
| 22:38.48 | unstable | abrotman: yes |
| 22:38.55 | elik | jelly-ho, well, it wont show up in the gnome resolution chooser |
| 22:38.59 | Chroni | can you install kde as a binary package under debian as well as other packages, without compiling sources |
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| 22:39.04 | jelly-ho | elik: I'm looking at the log file, haven't seen the config yet. |
| 22:39.17 | stoned | Chroni, apt-get install kde-core |
| 22:39.20 | stoned | Chroni, or just kde |
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| 22:39.36 | abrotman | unstable: strop.* ? |
| 22:39.43 | elik | jelly-ho... it restarted with my old config file... |
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| 22:40.01 | MatBoy | !beer /me |
| 22:40.01 | elik | jelly-ho, it didnt take what I did with dpkg-reconfigure.. |
| 22:40.07 | abrotman | !info instanbul sid |
| 22:40.08 | MatBoy | !beer MatBoy |
| 22:40.13 | stoned | MatBoy, stop |
| 22:40.18 | jelly-ho | elik: I say remove (comment out) the modeline and HorizSync and VertRefresh lines, let it try the automatic. |
| 22:40.20 | Chroni | stoned: Well I'm just asking in general , if you can install any packages without compiling ,cause I started with gentoo a couple of weeks before and you couldn't install kde without compiling sources it's sort of messy with emerge and portege |
| 22:40.22 | stoned | jetscreamer, yo |
| 22:40.26 | abrotman | unstable: guess what .. package not in debian .. you're on your own |
| 22:40.35 | stoned | jetscreamer, it was YOU! hey I got flash 8 working in linux! |
| 22:40.49 | abrotman | !+info instanbul sid |
| 22:40.51 | dpkg | Package 'instanbul' does not exist. |
| 22:41.09 | jelly-ho | abrotman: istanbul |
| 22:41.15 | stoned | Chroni, debian contrains binary packages and source packages, you can modify the source and build a package with apt or you can install a precompiled binary package |
| 22:41.19 | stoned | contains* |
| 22:41.20 | jelly-ho | (not constantinople) |
| 22:41.29 | MatBoy | !beer dpkg |
| 22:41.35 | MatBoy | :) |
| 22:41.37 | abrotman | !+info istanbul sid |
| 22:41.41 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.1.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 22:41.41 | elik | jelly-ho, will try the dpkg befor |
| 22:41.42 | abrotman | jelly-ho: darn you! |
| 22:41.57 | stoned | MatBoy, stop abusing the bot |
| 22:42.03 | elik | jelly-ho, maybe I had it open |
| 22:42.06 | elik | !rapebot |
| 22:42.10 | abrotman | unstable: where'd you get it from? |
| 22:42.13 | elik | !abusebot |
| 22:42.17 | MatBoy | stoned, I thought dpkg needed it after a the work he does for us ! |
| 22:42.19 | elik | damn... |
| 22:42.27 | elik | !botrape |
| 22:42.27 | dpkg | STOP!!! please... no more... |
| 22:42.29 | stoned | MatBoy, I have no sense of humor right now |
| 22:42.40 | MatBoy | stoned, why not ? diffucult day ? |
| 22:42.42 | sirius | Does anyone know where there is a file that will allow me to select my sound card everytime it boots ? cause it keeps selecting the wrong one |
| 22:42.50 | stoned | yes |
| 22:42.57 | Gnurdux | how do i find out why a certain package isn't in testing again? |
| 22:43.01 | MatBoy | stoned, just relax than ! |
| 22:43.03 | stoned | sirius, did you do what I suggested? |
| 22:43.13 | sirius | i dont know how to use grep |
| 22:43.13 | elik | dont say that Stoned, he'll give you a beer :P |
| 22:43.24 | MatBoy | elik, hehe :) |
| 22:43.36 | ick | /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstops) crashed on signal 9! |
| 22:43.43 | stoned | sirius, dpkg -L packagenamehere|grep keywordtosearchforhere |
| 22:43.47 | abrotman | unstable: same version in etch .. let me see |
| 22:43.49 | stoned | sirius, man grep |
| 22:44.00 | ick | I just love OSS. Especially when it works :D |
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| 22:44.06 | ick | Except now it doesn't... |
| 22:44.09 | Gnurdux | abrotman, how do i find out why a certain package isn |
| 22:44.12 | Gnurdux | 't in testing |
| 22:44.18 | streuner | Gnurdux: /msg dpkg why isn't foo in testing |
| 22:44.18 | Dwonis | ick: OSS is a piece of crap. Use ALSA |
| 22:44.23 | Gnurdux | i tried |
| 22:44.44 | Gnurdux | it doesn't respond |
| 22:44.50 | stoned | ick, apt-cache show alsa-oss |
| 22:44.55 | streuner | dpkg why is foo not in testing |
| 22:44.55 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 22:44.56 | MatBoy | Gnurdux, sorry dpkg is drunk. Have you tried google ? |
| 22:45.00 | sirius | stoned: that reutns Package `alsa' is not installed. |
| 22:45.06 | ick | Dwonis: Open Source Software |
| 22:45.07 | streuner | Gnurdux: ^^^^ |
| 22:45.08 | stoned | sirius, apt-cache show alsa |
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| 22:45.15 | stoned | sirius, its a metapackage |
| 22:45.17 | stoned | I think |
| 22:45.18 | ick | Dwonis: The problem is in Cups |
| 22:45.26 | stoned | sirius, its dependant on alsabase |
| 22:45.30 | sirius | stoned: when i did the apt command it didnt do anything |
| 22:45.30 | stoned | I think |
| 22:45.38 | stoned | hole on let me fire up a term |
| 22:45.49 | MatBoy | sirius, did you updated apt ? |
| 22:46.11 | stoned | sirius, wait |
| 22:46.21 | sirius | k |
| 22:46.27 | sirius | yes mat |
| 22:46.36 | abrotman | unstable: segfaults here .. but does run |
| 22:46.38 | Gnurdux | ahhh |
| 22:46.40 | elik | Jelly-ho, why the hell wont it overwrite my config file??? |
| 22:46.47 | stoned | sirius, look in alsa-base |
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| 22:46.52 | MatBoy | sirius, OK, get some beer while waiting ! |
| 22:46.57 | sirius | stoned: ? |
| 22:46.59 | streuner | Gnurdux: why do you ask at all? |
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| 22:47.23 | elik | jelly-ho, fuck that, I'm just killing it and doing it in console |
| 22:47.32 | MatBoy | sirius, but what is the problem now ? you have a problem with sound ? |
| 22:47.44 | streuner | Gnurdux: if you need a certain package which isn't in testing, just /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:47.46 | Gnurdux | streuner, because a package got removed from testing a while ago after a bugfix came out, and they STILL haven't put the new one in streuner |
| 22:47.53 | sirius | matboy everytime it reboots it selects my onboard sound and i want it to use my sound card |
| 22:47.57 | jelly-ho | elik: I have no idea. Your config file looks fine though, I'd kust remove Horiz* and Vert* and try without that. |
| 22:48.05 | stoned | sirius, like I said, I have no idea how alsa works, and I don't see anyone else helping you, thought I'd tell you what I know |
| 22:48.09 | sirius | stoned: i did apt-cache show alsa-base and it outputed alot |
| 22:48.10 | MatBoy | sirius, turn off the soundcard in your bios :) |
| 22:48.13 | streuner | Gnurdux: what package btw? |
| 22:48.17 | Gnurdux | bzflag |
| 22:48.22 | stoned | sirius, dpkg -L alsa-base|less |
| 22:48.24 | Gnurdux | but now i know why |
| 22:48.25 | streuner | !info bzflag |
| 22:48.27 | dpkg | bzflag: (a 3D first person tank battle game), section games, is optional. Version: 2.0.8.20060605 (sid), Packaged size: 10204 kB, Installed size: 13492 kB |
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| 22:48.36 | stoned | sirius, maybe you will find something of interest there |
| 22:48.42 | sirius | thanks |
| 22:48.54 | stoned | sirius, also, /msg dpkg grounding |
| 22:49.01 | MatBoy | sirius, so you need that onboard card ? |
| 22:49.02 | jelly-ho | elik: this line in log looks relevant: (II) VESA(0): Not using built-in mode "1280x800" (hsync out of range) |
| 22:49.02 | Gnurdux | see 2.0.6 was buggy, so it got removed when 2.0.8 came out, then 2.0.8 didnt' build on hppa, it got fixed, but apparently only 4 days ago |
| 22:49.10 | MatBoy | *so=do |
| 22:49.20 | sirius | MatBoy: not really dont use it. |
| 22:49.30 | sirius | MatBoy i guess i can try turning it off in bios |
| 22:49.39 | MatBoy | sirius, turn it off in your BIOS than, I did the same |
| 22:49.47 | sirius | brb gona try that |
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| 22:49.55 | MatBoy | okido ! |
| 22:50.14 | Gnurdux | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=tightvncserver |
| 22:50.34 | stoned | Gnurdux, maybe you could backport it from sid? |
| 22:50.57 | stoned | testing and sid aren't drastically different |
| 22:51.01 | Gnurdux | tightvncserver is trying to remove itself on my comp on dist-upgrade because of dependency problems with xserver-common, so i can't do dist-upgrades |
| 22:51.06 | Gnurdux | yea, true |
| 22:51.21 | stoned | Gnurdux, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:51.26 | streuner | stoned: if the maint. had some problems to made it, how are we able to built it? |
| 22:51.27 | Gnurdux | but ill probably just wait 6 days |
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| 22:51.47 | stoned | streuner, oh yeah |
| 22:52.13 | Dwonis | Why do people seem to think that dist-upgrade is something to run on a routine basis? |
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| 22:52.36 | stoned | Dwonis, I upgrade my sis system every 2-3 days |
| 22:52.39 | MatBoy | Dwonis, sometime you need it |
| 22:52.55 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | jelly-ho... it's elik |
| 22:52.56 | stoned | sid* |
| 22:53.09 | jelly-ho | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: 'lo again |
| 22:53.11 | Dwonis | stoned: upgrading isn't what concerns me. It's the use of "dist-upgrade" |
| 22:53.20 | stoned | ah yeah |
| 22:53.21 | MatBoy | Dwonis, why ? |
| 22:53.26 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | jelly-ho, the dpkg-reconfigure wont create the config file.... |
| 22:53.48 | Dwonis | MatBoy: dist-upgrade is *dangerous*. It will happily remove half of the packages on your system, in the right circumstances |
| 22:53.54 | jetscreamer | --force-confmiss |
| 22:54.01 | stoned | jetscreamer, did you see my message |
| 22:54.06 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 22:54.08 | MatBoy | Dwonis, normally not |
| 22:54.08 | jelly-ho | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: meh. never mind that then, try commenting out horizsync and vert-refresh lines. |
| 22:54.09 | jetscreamer | wtg |
| 22:54.14 | stoned | wtg? |
| 22:54.17 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | jelly-ho, I removed (after backuping) the config files and the dpkg wont create it back... |
| 22:54.20 | jetscreamer | way to go |
| 22:54.20 | stoned | oh wtf |
| 22:54.22 | stoned | oh |
| 22:54.23 | jetscreamer | !wtg |
| 22:54.23 | stoned | nm |
| 22:54.23 | dpkg | Dude! Way to go! |
| 22:54.24 | stoned | hah |
| 22:54.26 | Dwonis | MatBoy: if "apt-get upgrade" isn't working enough for you, use aptitude or synaptic in interactive mode and select some sane upgrade path |
| 22:54.32 | stoned | jetscreamer, wine is sweet |
| 22:54.35 | stoned | or bitter |
| 22:54.51 | jetscreamer | i don't drink much |
| 22:54.56 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | jelly-ho, but it keeps my option in the interface as if that was all already selected... |
| 22:54.57 | ick | I *hate* Cups. |
| 22:55.01 | jetscreamer | anymore |
| 22:55.02 | stoned | no like Wine win emu |
| 22:55.04 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:55.05 | MatBoy | Dwonis, nope, because I needed a distupgrade from etch because something was not working wit the nvidia drivers |
| 22:55.06 | ick | Or *HP* |
| 22:55.12 | stoned | the windows binary emulator |
| 22:55.14 | jelly-ho | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: that's normal. you should have followed the procedure from "/msg dpkg xmd5" instead of removing them, |
| 22:55.16 | amphi | !tell Nicolas[VamUdeS] about xmd5sum |
| 22:55.19 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | jelly-ho, and tried to startx, but it didnt like that |
| 22:55.24 | stoned | but yes, wine is sweet too |
| 22:55.29 | MatBoy | Dwonis, normally I don't use it.. only in some weeks |
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| 22:55.32 | streuner | ick: there are things which sucks, and there are ways which sucks but you just need them :-) |
| 22:55.44 | Dwonis | MatBoy: well, that's not what I'm complaining about |
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| 22:56.01 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | amphi, thx |
| 22:56.02 | MatBoy | Dwonis, what than ? |
| 22:56.05 | ick | E [12/Jun/2006:00:52:44 +0200] PID 5928 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstops) crashed on signal 9! |
| 22:56.05 | sirius | well i think that worked |
| 22:56.08 | ick | E [12/Jun/2006:00:52:44 +0200] PID 5929 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) crashed on signal 9! |
| 22:56.10 | streuner | ick: well, CUPS makes printing in linux less difficult. |
| 22:56.10 | zerohero | in testing xorg was recently updated, and now nvidias drivers no longer work (at least here) is there a way to make them work? |
| 22:56.11 | ick | E [12/Jun/2006:00:52:44 +0200] PID 5931 (/usr/lib/cups/backend/hp) crashed on signal 9! |
| 22:56.12 | Dwonis | MatBoy: It's mainly people who post to /. saying how easy Debian is to use, because you can just run "apt-get update ; apt-get -y -f dist-upgrade" |
| 22:56.13 | MatBoy | Dwonis, you fucked up your system with it today ? |
| 22:56.20 | ick | streuner: That's what happening. |
| 22:56.27 | streuner | argh |
| 22:56.50 | streuner | ick: on a wild guess, you are running unstable? |
| 22:56.50 | Dwonis | MatBoy: no, why would I do that? |
| 22:56.56 | MatBoy | Dwonis, indeed... the same with Windows... never run the updates with out knowing what is updated |
| 22:56.59 | stoned | zerohero, wait until they are fixed, and use nv for now |
| 22:57.14 | MatBoy | Dwonis, because you had it about it out of the dark :) |
| 22:57.14 | zerohero | stoned: ouch, it's really slow :) |
| 22:57.26 | ick | streuner: yep... I regret that I do, but yes. |
| 22:57.37 | stoned | zerohero, you can try compiling themodule yourself with nvidia official binary drivers if you are impatient |
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| 22:57.51 | jelly-ho | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: ok then, put back HorizSync and VertRefresh, and try expanding HorizSync maybe to 28-85. |
| 22:57.57 | Dwonis | MayBoy: <Gnurdux> tightvncserver is trying to remove itself on my comp on dist-upgrade ... |
| 22:58.15 | zerohero | stoned: nah, i don't have that kind of knowledge atm, i'm more of an amiga dev ;) |
| 22:58.19 | ick | streuner: is that all you are going to say about it? |
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| 22:58.38 | stoned | zerohero, sol |
| 22:58.40 | ick | streuner: I looked at the logs but that's what in it. |
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| 22:58.56 | streuner | ick: forget the logs of CUPS :-/ |
| 22:58.58 | MatBoy | sirius, and ? |
| 22:59.18 | ick | I wish a system that Just Works, but nothing in this freaking world does. |
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| 22:59.28 | xL0gic | could someone briefly describe the installation order to dual boot vista and debian? |
| 22:59.29 | goudkov | hi guys, is there a big performance increase when using k7 kernel instead of 386? |
| 22:59.38 | xL0gic | will grub boot vista? |
| 22:59.43 | streuner | ick: what does BTS say about? |
| 22:59.50 | stoned | ick, hehe |
| 22:59.51 | MatBoy | goudkov, It's running more stable in my opinion |
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| 23:00.00 | beardy | goudkov: no, but have a try and see what you think? |
| 23:00.08 | amphi | xL0gic: who can say? perhaps the good old 'chainloader +1' magic will work |
| 23:00.10 | ick | streuner: I have been f*cking around way to long with this. I will have a look... |
| 23:00.10 | MatBoy | goudkov, I mean with stable... less CPU-spikes without a reason |
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| 23:00.17 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | jelly-ho, good, it worked |
| 23:00.24 | Vasistha | goudkov: probably not an enormous difference, but it's probably a good thing to do. performance, stability increases are possible |
| 23:00.31 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | jelly-ho, now, I see I dont have 1024x800 mode in the file |
| 23:00.35 | goudkov | i see. thanks. |
| 23:00.40 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | jelly-ho do I add it or just startx |
| 23:00.50 | MatBoy | Vasistha, as I said... I did it also... and it's recognizable |
| 23:00.52 | jelly-ho | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: just startx. |
| 23:00.57 | xL0gic | amphi: in any case, installing vista first would be a good choice right?? so at least i have a boot loader after installing debian. |
| 23:01.13 | xL0gic | amphi: you know how windows just overwrites the mbr without asking.. |
| 23:01.33 | ick | streuner: I read somewhere that "bugs" should be named "errors", because the former seems like the bug came there out of itself... |
| 23:01.46 | sirius | MatBoy: I think it worked |
| 23:01.55 | ick | Yeah, an irresponsive bugs.debian.org |
| 23:02.03 | ick | Just what I needed. |
| 23:02.03 | MatBoy | sirius, nice ! I already thought it would ;) |
| 23:02.07 | Vasistha | xL0gic: well you can always just get a grub boot disk and reinstall grub after windows |
| 23:02.14 | sirius | MatBoy: The card is in as a option but at least now the correct card is main lol |
| 23:02.31 | ick | Maybe I crashed that too?! |
| 23:02.32 | Dwonis | ick: bugs.debian.org was decommissioned after Anthony Towns declared that Debian is now officiall Bug Free |
| 23:02.42 | xL0gic | Vasistha: true |
| 23:02.43 | Dwonis | s/officiall/officially/ |
| 23:02.44 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | jelly-ho, still stretched... back in 5 mins |
| 23:02.48 | Vasistha | Dwonis: hehheh |
| 23:02.48 | MatBoy | sirius, a SB live 5.1 ? |
| 23:02.50 | ick | Dwonis: you are so funny. |
| 23:02.50 | beardy | xL0gic: But for convenience, do it in the best order. |
| 23:02.51 | streuner | ick: (there were no bugs related to version 1.1 -> 1.2 the last days in BTS), but check that out too. |
| 23:02.52 | MatBoy | I have the same here |
| 23:03.01 | sirius | MatBoy: 7.1 audigy |
| 23:03.16 | ick | streuner: I can't access the system. |
| 23:03.18 | xL0gic | beardy: windows then debian? |
| 23:03.20 | sirius | matboy: got all 7.1 speakers too :D |
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| 23:03.22 | streuner | ick: why not? |
| 23:03.28 | ick | streuner: Firefox is "waiting" for bugs.debian.org |
| 23:03.37 | Dwonis | ick: bugs.debian.org works for me |
| 23:03.42 | streuner | ick: use it via packages.debian.org |
| 23:03.48 | beardy | xL0gic: Yes. |
| 23:03.54 | jelly-ho | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: ok. I would try driver "i810" next. |
| 23:03.58 | MatBoy | sirius, nice ! It's a little bit a problem with kmix maybe.. but you have to play with it |
| 23:04.08 | sirius | MatBoy: Kmix ? |
| 23:04.09 | ick | Dwonis: me too, searching for cupsys doesn't work |
| 23:04.11 | streuner | ick: cupsys - Bugreports |
| 23:04.36 | sirius | MatBoy: im using gnome and use either gnome alsa mixer or alsa mixer |
| 23:05.02 | MatBoy | sirius, aha... I use KDE |
| 23:05.03 | MatBoy | :) |
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| 23:05.12 | ick | streuner: finally I got it. |
| 23:05.28 | Dwonis | ick: hmmm... yeah |
| 23:05.29 | sirius | MatBoy: i havent tried the new kde any better then gnome ? |
| 23:05.41 | MatBoy | sirius, great !! |
| 23:05.45 | MatBoy | really !! |
| 23:05.56 | sirius | hmm maybe i should install it real quick to see it |
| 23:05.57 | streuner | ick: check out Changelog and README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/cupsys too |
| 23:06.20 | MatBoy | sirius, I would do that ! |
| 23:06.28 | sirius | ^_^ |
| 23:06.50 | ick | streuner: and cupsys doesn't have a real maintainter. How fabulous! |
| 23:06.51 | jelly-ho | sirius: I'd like to see a real quick installation of kde too, with its hundreds-of-MBs installation. |
| 23:07.02 | sirius | jelly lol |
| 23:07.22 | ick | Dwonis: already convinced that Debian isn't super duper great? |
| 23:07.25 | MatBoy | jelly-ho, get a faster DSL-line :) |
| 23:07.28 | streuner | ick: so *WHEN* did this happen? did you update the system a few days ago or every single day? |
| 23:07.46 | sirius | lol |
| 23:07.52 | ick | streuner: I have been able to print a couple of times 4 months ago. |
| 23:07.53 | sirius | jelly-ho what u using ? |
| 23:07.55 | Dwonis | ick: never! |
| 23:07.56 | ick | streuner: after that nothing. |
| 23:08.12 | ick | streuner: I almost never used this machine. |
| 23:08.13 | maxb | Is there anyone who uses the 'staff' group for /usr/local management, or who can point me to documentation about that? |
| 23:08.19 | ick | streuner: I am not the main user. |
| 23:08.32 | jelly-ho | sirius: a really old version of a crappy window manager. You don't want to know. |
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| 23:08.33 | maxb | I'm seeking a way to 'sudo to a group' |
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| 23:08.52 | streuner | ick: there were a huge change in CUPS, you need some other packages in order to work |
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| 23:09.04 | sirius | jelly-ho lol |
| 23:09.06 | jelly-ho | sirius: but I prefer kde's programs when I have to. |
| 23:09.17 | magyar | where can i get a maldroprc script that works with etch? |
| 23:09.18 | beardy | maxb: Isn't it just to let the user(s) be part of the staff group and let them do what they need to do, in /usr/local? |
| 23:09.27 | streuner | ick: read the Changelog of cupsys then. |
| 23:09.37 | ick | streuner: ok |
| 23:09.51 | ick | streuner: That's actually a good thing of Debian: Readme.Debian |
| 23:10.17 | streuner | ick: apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 23:10.18 | ick | streuner: for some value of good case |
| 23:10.18 | maxb | beardy: True, but I think that 'staff' membership is too high a privilege to run with all the time - just like it's considered bad to be root when you don't have to. |
| 23:10.49 | jelly-ho | MatBoy: you misread, I don't use kde (very much). |
| 23:10.51 | sirius | I dont know if i like KDE's look i like the 2 bar set up that gnome has |
| 23:11.19 | beardy | maxb: Read the documentation of su or sudo? Ï'm not sure if yu can su or sudo to a group (yes, I'll read too :) ). |
| 23:11.43 | MatBoy | sirius, Gnome is very clean, I like it... but I don;t have time to learn to wor with it |
| 23:12.06 | sirius | MatBoy: What you mean learn to work with it lmao its not hard. |
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| 23:12.18 | beardy | maxb: Yes, of course. But it's quite a difference between being member of the staff group, and to run as root, but yes, I agree. |
| 23:12.48 | MatBoy | sirius, I'm very very familair with KDE |
| 23:13.02 | sirius | :-/ |
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| 23:13.11 | streuner | ick: i had to get a working printing system to install some new packages about 2 weeks ago and configure the system new. |
| 23:13.33 | MatBoy | sirius, just install it ;) |
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| 23:13.36 | ick | streuner: and what did you do? |
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| 23:13.38 | streuner | ick: but after all, it was painless |
| 23:13.54 | sirius | MatBoy: I dont know now lol |
| 23:14.09 | streuner | ick: just install some other packages and configured it with http://localhost:631 |
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| 23:14.19 | MatBoy | sirius, apt-get install kde :) |
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| 23:14.32 | sirius | MatBoy :P well.... |
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| 23:14.42 | MatBoy | sirius, life is so simple :) |
| 23:14.52 | Luckychui | which is the most stable appliance for webhosting and its cheap |
| 23:14.55 | sirius | lol 531 |
| 23:14.56 | maxb | I can't see any way of using su, sudo, or newgrp, to allow on-demand access to the group, so i guess I'll just have to create a 'staff' user, or roll my own setgid executable :-/ |
| 23:14.59 | streuner | ick: that was before 1.1 -> 1.2, IIRC |
| 23:15.23 | maxxle | I have a file that is called "- Hello -.mp3". How can I rename it on console? |
| 23:15.35 | sirius | anyone here a super direct 3d programmer lol who can fix a bug in eve-online for me lol :( i want that game to work |
| 23:16.14 | ick | streuner: although you are typing text, you are not helping me very much(in such a way that I can make it to work). |
| 23:16.18 | streuner | maxxle: *cough* mc *cough* |
| 23:16.25 | stoned | umm, its not good to swallo powedered glass is it? |
| 23:16.26 | jbit_ | maxxle, use the escape symbol before spaces like so: -\ Hello\ -.mp3 |
| 23:16.46 | stoned | I think I drank out of a broken glass and now my throat hurts, maybe I'm making the wrong conenction |
| 23:17.06 | jbit_ | maxxle, and use mv of course. |
| 23:17.26 | maxxle | streuner: I want to know how to do it on console :) |
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| 23:17.44 | streuner | maxxle: you could run 'mc' on console too ;-) |
| 23:17.47 | maxxle | jbit_: The problem is NOT the space in the filename. the problem is the trailoring '-' |
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| 23:18.31 | maxxle | streuner: I could rename it in thunar as well. But I want to know how such a filename can be renamed on console. |
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| 23:18.35 | amphi | maxxle: mv -- '- Hello -.mp3' foo.mp3 |
| 23:18.39 | jbit_ | maxxle, have you tried single quotes? |
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| 23:19.03 | PSIplus | hi |
| 23:19.26 | streuner | maxxle: well, i thought you need a way to fix that, not a theorie question :-) |
| 23:19.29 | maxxle | amphi: That does the trick! |
| 23:19.34 | amphi | maxxle: well, yes |
| 23:19.43 | maxxle | :) |
| 23:19.49 | PSIplus | I want to migrate a filesystem with iso-8859-15 encoded filenames into an utf-8 system without loosing the special chars in the filenames... is that a matter of mount-options? |
| 23:19.57 | maxxle | amphi: What are the double '--' for? |
| 23:19.58 | amphi | maxxle: the '--' tells mv that nothing more should be interpreted as options |
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| 23:20.21 | maxxle | amphi: Ah! Good to know. Does this work with other utilities as well? |
| 23:20.26 | amphi | maxxle: yes |
| 23:20.33 | leafw | in the apt-get system, how can one query for info on a package name ? |
| 23:20.49 | maxxle | ampi: again - good to know |
| 23:20.52 | amphi | leafw: apt-cache show <package_name> ? |
| 23:20.53 | streuner | leafw: apt-cache show |
| 23:21.00 | leafw | streuner : thanks |
| 23:21.02 | maxxle | could be usefull in future |
| 23:21.12 | amphi | maxxle: it's very useful at times |
| 23:22.01 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | jelly-ho, are you under gnome? |
| 23:22.24 | leafw | and can debian run in new intel macs? How stable is the port if it exists? |
| 23:23.01 | CcSsNET | there would not be a port for a intel based proc it would simply be i386-i686 i would assume |
| 23:23.11 | jelly-ho | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: nope. |
| 23:23.13 | streuner | interesting question, but most of us just use x86... |
| 23:23.13 | magyar | i have a problem with amavis, it's not tagging spam messages. |
| 23:23.16 | PSIplus | leafw: stable and working |
| 23:23.25 | CcSsNET | versus ppc obviosly |
| 23:23.32 | PSIplus | leafw: just the bootman was a matter of the new firmware |
| 23:23.44 | leafw | PSIplus : good news then (I have to upgrade mu laptop, broken screen) |
| 23:23.58 | PSIplus | leafw: then why use an intel mac? |
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| 23:24.44 | leafw | PSIplus : intel powerbook, well: thin, light-weight but relatively large screen, reliable. |
| 23:24.53 | PSIplus | leafw: i swear on dualcore turion ... same/lower price... MUCH more power |
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| 23:25.50 | leafw | PSIplus : ok, but packaged in a laptop? |
| 23:25.54 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 23:25.55 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:26.09 | wackitywoo | I've downloaded the 2 debian install cds from linuxiso. I am trying to install emacs. How can I find which cd contains emacs? |
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| 23:26.31 | PSIplus | leafw: Turion is the notebook cpu... My Single-Core Turion beats most intel notebooks i know... :-) |
| 23:26.35 | streuner | wackitywoo: /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 23:26.48 | PSIplus | leafw: but you got to decide that for yourself ;-) |
| 23:26.49 | azuleja | How do i configure php5 in apache2 in Debian? |
| 23:27.15 | maxxle | Anybody a clue how I can close Firefox's Searchbar (Ctrl-F for open) - I need the keyboard-shortcut? |
| 23:27.17 | PSIplus | azuleja: /etc/apache2/modules-available: there are the configs |
| 23:27.34 | leafw | PSIplus : the whole idea here is: nice keyboard, nice screen ,long battery life, nice wireless. I can give up on chip power if I get all that. |
| 23:27.34 | PSIplus | azuleja: link the php5-configs from there to /etc/apache2/modules-enabled |
| 23:27.44 | ick | streuner: Ok, I give up. It doesn't work. Bye |
| 23:27.58 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | jelly-ho, cause I have nothing to actually measure the screen resolution |
| 23:28.03 | azuleja | PSIplus, the question is HOW |
| 23:28.07 | PSIplus | leafw: I got all that: Acer Aspire 5023WLMi ;-) ... Pretty Linux-Support as well.. |
| 23:28.11 | streuner | wackitywoo: just install debian and configure network, you are able to just apt-get it then. |
| 23:28.12 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | jelly-ho, I only check if Google's G is malformed :P |
| 23:28.14 | PSIplus | azuleja: ??? |
| 23:28.30 | PSIplus | azuleja: ln -s? mc? ... |
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| 23:28.34 | azuleja | PSIplus, how do i link the php5-configs from there to /etc/apache2/modules-enabled-.. |
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| 23:28.53 | azuleja | PSIplus: i don't think that is the best way to do it, there must be a way to load the module from apache itself |
| 23:29.10 | sirius | Jelly-ho that didnt take to long |
| 23:29.19 | sirius | Matboy: in KDE |
| 23:29.22 | PSIplus | azuleja: I don't want to distroy your dreams... but this is the way |
| 23:29.47 | PSIplus | azuleja: There are a few config routines, you pick them by linking them into the right directories and apache loads them on startup |
| 23:30.04 | PSIplus | azuleja: the same way as sysv-init :-) |
| 23:30.26 | azuleja | PSIplus, there is a way to do it with a2enmod |
| 23:31.03 | PSIplus | azuleja: a2enmod is a frontend for this :-) |
| 23:31.35 | azuleja | PSIplus, ohhh that's other stoy :) |
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| 23:31.39 | azuleja | *story |
| 23:31.45 | PSIplus | azuleja: what is your problem? |
| 23:31.45 | wackitywoo | streuner: that's the problem I am having. The network seems to be configured but when I try to ping a site I get a destination unreachable. Even if I try to ssh to local host I get an error |
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| 23:31.59 | wimp | if I'm mmaping, should I be mmaping /dev/null or /dev/zero ? |
| 23:32.09 | streuner | wackitywoo: how about using an IP itself? |
| 23:32.35 | wackitywoo | I tried 127.0.0.1 |
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| 23:34.00 | streuner | wackitywoo: what does 'ping -c1 192.25.206.10' say? |
| 23:35.05 | wackitywoo | I try to ping a local ip on my network and am unable to reach it |
| 23:35.49 | streuner | wackitywoo: do you use DHCP? |
| 23:35.54 | MatBoy | sirius, you installed kde ? |
| 23:36.04 | wackitywoo | streuner: no, it's all static |
| 23:36.17 | streuner | wackitywoo: so over a hardware-router? |
| 23:36.49 | wackitywoo | streuner: linux router |
| 23:37.06 | wackitywoo | streuner: what is puzzling is that I can't even ssh to myselp |
| 23:37.44 | streuner | wackitywoo: linux-router? we are speaking of a box which works as linux-router and connecting to i-net via ppp? |
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| 23:40.00 | streuner | anyway, /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 23:41.19 | sirius | MatBoy: Yea |
| 23:41.21 | wackitywoo | I've been using debian for years. This is the first time I've ran across this problem. Maybe I have to recompile a kernel |
| 23:41.27 | wackitywoo | thanks anyways |
| 23:41.36 | MatBoy | sirius, great isn;t it ? |
| 23:41.47 | sirius | MatBoy: It is nice |
| 23:41.49 | wackitywoo | I get destination unreachable errors. |
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| 23:42.24 | MatBoy | sirius, you are going to love it ! |
| 23:42.33 | sirius | MatBoy: Well see :P |
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| 23:42.51 | MatBoy | sirius, I feel it in my water :P |
| 23:43.01 | sirius | you water lmao ? |
| 23:43.26 | MatBoy | sirius, dutch speakout |
| 23:43.42 | sirius | MatBoy: Your confusing me lol |
| 23:43.51 | MatBoy | sirius, :P |
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| 23:43.59 | streuner | wackitywoo: just install an official kernel to see if that's the problem or not |
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| 23:44.37 | wackitywoo | I haven't ever used official kernels before. I've always built my own unless it was the installs kernel. |
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| 23:45.47 | wackitywoo | anyways, I need emacs and it doesn't appear to be on any of the cds that I have |
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| 23:45.51 | wackitywoo | ~ |
| 23:46.47 | ryanakca | whats the channel for packaging help? |
| 23:46.57 | streuner | well, fix you i-net connection first, it wouldn't that hurd vs. wasting some more bandwidth in order to get another CD which are 1 package you need |
| 23:47.04 | gravity | ryanakca: You can ask here first if you like. |
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| 23:47.19 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 23:47.24 | ryanakca | gravity: kk, ty |
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| 23:48.18 | Daverag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:49.58 | ryanakca | gravity: figured it out, it was a stupid error... gpg-agent was causing gpg signing to abort, so I disabled it. |
| 23:49.59 | streuner | wackitywoo: we told you already this. |
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| 23:50.12 | gravity | Ok |
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| 23:51.06 | Supaplex | Daverag: mail $user -s "$subject" < welcome.msg |
| 23:51.10 | jelly-ho | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: you still there? You can use "xsetroot" to set the background to the default pattern, it should be immediately evident if the pixels are blurred or not. |
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| 23:51.40 | Daverag | Supaplex: sounds good, should I add that in /usr/sbin/adduser or what? |
| 23:51.52 | wackitywoo | streuner: maybe I misheard you then |
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| 23:52.27 | streuner | well, i don't know what's going on, but you aren't very well concentrate at all |
| 23:53.55 | Supaplex | Daverag: I wouldn't modify adduser directly. see if there's a defaults file it sources, maybe you can do it some other way. #bash can help with other creative stuff to. |
| 23:53.56 | jbit_ | daverag, you could write a perl script to both create the user and send the email. |
| 23:53.58 | streuner | anyway, wackitywoo /msg dpkg interfaces and install an official kernel in order to get i-net working |
| 23:54.15 | jbit_ | daverag, but that involves a good deal of learning |
| 23:55.06 | leafw | any help for lisp / sbcl / slime on ubuntu (slime fails to compile, can't find SB-BSD-SOCKETS. |
| 23:55.25 | streuner | oh ubuntu? :-) |
| 23:55.44 | streuner | leafw: /j #ubuntu |
| 23:55.49 | Supaplex | leafw: not unless debian aquired ubuntu :) |
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| 23:57.00 | magyar | anyone using amavis with etch? |
| 23:57.46 | Gokee2 | Where is a good howto on how to find out what kernel pkg you need? |
| 23:57.48 | Daverag | great thanks for the tips |
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| 23:58.06 | Supaplex | !kp |
| 23:58.06 | dpkg | [kp] To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev"and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 23:58.13 | Supaplex | Gokee2: you can roll your own. =) |
| 23:58.43 | Gokee2 | eh... I don`t really want to build my own kernel right now... I am a little busy... |
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| 23:59.22 | Gokee2 | I just want the most recent *best for my computer* 2.6 kernel in the debian pkg tree |
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| 23:59.48 | streuner | Gokee2: if you running sarge/stable just /msg dpkg backports |
