| 00:00.04 | magyar | i have aproblem with etch and amavis new. Messeges to users are not being tagged. SOS |
| 00:00.09 | Supaplex | well then there's no much reason to choose any. the debian prepackaged kernels have next to every driver enabled, and features you may or may not agree with. If you're that busy, put it off until you are ready... |
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| 00:00.18 | streuner | magyar: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 00:00.56 | Supaplex | magyar: what's bts say? |
| 00:01.07 | Gokee2 | streuner, I am running testing/unstable |
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| 00:01.18 | streuner | what's that? :-) |
| 00:01.19 | sirius | MatBoy: DO you use Kopete |
| 00:01.22 | streuner | testing or unstable? |
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| 00:03.10 | magyar | Supaplex: i have an earlier install of etch with same configuration and it tagges proper. This new install only taggs to postmaster, but not to any user |
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| 00:03.17 | streuner | Gokee2: well, if you aren't satisfied, just use what Supaplex told you. |
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| 00:08.17 | sinplomo | hi |
| 00:08.21 | sinplomo | I upgraded |
| 00:08.31 | sinplomo | and I have some problems running programs ... |
| 00:09.16 | sinplomo | firefox for example doesn't open |
| 00:09.23 | sinplomo | I did strace firefox .. |
| 00:09.55 | sinplomo | and I get repeatedly this essage |
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| 00:09.59 | sinplomo | munmap(0xa6bd6000, 4312) = 0 |
| 00:09.59 | sinplomo | stat64("/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/8x13O-ISO8859-5.pcf.gz", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=4312, ...}) = 0 |
| 00:10.03 | sinplomo | open("/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/9x15c_c.pcf.gz", O_RDONLY) = 16 |
| 00:10.05 | sinplomo | fcntl64(16, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 |
| 00:10.08 | sinplomo | fstat64(16, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=25988, ...}) = 0 |
| 00:10.10 | sinplomo | mmap2(NULL, 25988, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 16, 0) = 0xa6bd1000 |
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| 00:10.22 | simonrvn | yeh, so? stop pasting please |
| 00:10.40 | sinplomo | sorry |
| 00:10.43 | simonrvn | that's irrelevant |
| 00:10.52 | simonrvn | what you want is at the bottom anyway |
| 00:11.04 | Supaplex | !paste |
| 00:11.04 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:11.10 | sinplomo | hum ... |
| 00:11.18 | sinplomo | firefox finaly opened |
| 00:11.24 | sinplomo | 3 minutes after |
| 00:11.26 | sinplomo | ;SSSSS |
| 00:11.35 | sinplomo | same with xchat |
| 00:11.44 | sinplomo | and gedit |
| 00:11.46 | Supaplex | what's your load averate sinplomo? are you running multiple instances when you only think one is? |
| 00:11.59 | streuner | gravity: getting some nightmares? :-) |
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| 00:12.13 | Chroni | does debian support Xorg x11 to be installed as binary package? |
| 00:12.17 | sinplomo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.21 | gravity | Chroni: What? |
| 00:12.23 | gravity | Yes |
| 00:12.32 | gravity | I hope at any rate... or else I'm wasting a lot of tiem |
| 00:12.38 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:12.48 | Chroni | gravity : Do you know what's X11 ? |
| 00:12.53 | gravity | Chroni: Yes |
| 00:13.05 | gravity | Chroni: Why would it not be supported? |
| 00:13.05 | Chroni | well can I install it as a binary package under debian? |
| 00:13.09 | simonrvn | X -version\n\n\nX Window System Version 7.0.0 |
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| 00:13.16 | Chroni | cause under other distros for instance you have to compile from sources |
| 00:13.20 | gravity | Chroni: Yes. Install the package x-window-system if you're on stable |
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| 00:13.41 | Chroni | I'm switching from gento oto debian that's why I'm asking |
| 00:13.43 | gravity | Chroni: Only for distros that don't support binary packages. Debian isn't one of those. Every package in Debian is a binary package essentially |
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| 00:13.56 | Chroni | yep that's why |
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| 00:14.08 | maatttt | is there an easy way to measure how long a bash script takes to execute ? |
| 00:14.15 | amphi | maatttt: time |
| 00:14.17 | Chroni | gravity can you point me towards some debian wiki about installing or handbook rather than the one on debian.org |
| 00:14.49 | gravity | Chroni: You can check out wiki.debian.org, but the installation manual on debian.org is the best and official source |
| 00:15.00 | maatttt | doesn;t get easier than that. thnaks. |
| 00:15.34 | MatBoy | sirius, kopete, for what ? |
| 00:15.47 | sirius | MatBoy: Nvm its a IM prog for KDE |
| 00:15.57 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | When I kill my xserver with ctrl-alt-backspace, it wont restart automatically, how come? |
| 00:16.19 | gravity | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: It's not supposed to... a *dm will do it for you if you are running one |
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| 00:16.29 | Gokee2 | Ok installed a 2.6 kernel, but if I boot into it my root file system won`t mount... any ideas? |
| 00:16.33 | MatBoy | nvm, for what do you want to use it ? |
| 00:16.41 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | gravity... weird, it does it usally |
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| 00:16.55 | gravity | ooookay |
| 00:17.17 | stoned | Nicolas[VamUdeS], it only works if a display manager is installed |
| 00:17.17 | MatBoy | Is it possible to buy OpenSource software ? So you don;t have to display the Copyrights ? |
| 00:17.30 | gravity | MatBoy: "display the copyrights"? |
| 00:17.32 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | stoned, I have gdm with gone |
| 00:17.39 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | stoned, gnome * |
| 00:17.48 | gravity | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: gdm should do it if it's running |
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| 00:17.55 | MatBoy | gravity, yes, it's about web-code... but I think here are the moest smart people for a question like this |
| 00:18.09 | gravity | MatBoy: I don't understand. Under what license is this? |
| 00:18.10 | MatBoy | moest=most |
| 00:18.16 | MatBoy | gravity, GPL |
| 00:18.19 | gravity | MatBoy: And what are you trying to do? This is incredibly vague |
| 00:18.29 | loxety | when trying to remove the clvm package I get teh following error: Starting Cluster LVM Daemon clvmd could not connect to cluster manager, Consult syslog for more information, invoke-rc.d: initscript clvm, action "start" failed., dpkg: error while cleaning up:, subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 3, Errors were encountered while processing:, clvm, E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 00:18.46 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | gravity, might have been killed with all my bugs... will restart to see |
| 00:18.50 | MatBoy | gravity, the code is very bad updated and there is a community build aorund it for better dev. I want to do my own dev on it |
| 00:19.09 | gravity | MatBoy: So why do you want to buy it? |
| 00:19.12 | loxety | I've tried reinstalling then removing.. with no success |
| 00:19.32 | MatBoy | gravity, because than there is a reason to remove the Copyright.. |
| 00:19.38 | streuner | Gokee2: did you follow the instructions you saw on the screen by install the kernel-image? |
| 00:19.45 | gravity | MatBoy: But... why do you want to remove the copyright? And from what? |
| 00:19.48 | loxety | havent found anything that relates to this error in the logs |
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| 00:19.54 | MatBoy | gravity, I don;t want to display a copyright of bas developed software :) |
| 00:20.04 | MatBoy | gravity, osTicket |
| 00:20.10 | gravity | MatBoy: Where are you displaying it? |
| 00:20.18 | MatBoy | gravity, do you know the story around the new release ? |
| 00:20.22 | gravity | No |
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| 00:20.33 | MatBoy | gravity, on a website |
| 00:20.40 | loxety | any suggestions on removing a package that is very broken? |
| 00:20.55 | streuner | Gokee2: check out *your* bootloader and make the necessary changes in order that it can see initrd image as well. |
| 00:20.56 | MatBoy | gravity, the story is that there is told already for 1,5-2 years that the new version will come out |
| 00:20.57 | sid | loxety: What package? |
| 00:20.58 | gravity | MatBoy: That's irrelevant... what are you displaying the copyright on? |
| 00:21.00 | dondelelcaro | loxety: give us the full output from the run; we can help you remove i. |
| 00:21.02 | sid | loxety: What version of Debian? |
| 00:21.06 | dondelelcaro | s/i./it/ |
| 00:21.17 | MatBoy | gravity, the available version suits me, but I need some changes |
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| 00:21.38 | gravity | MatBoy: You can make them regardless |
| 00:21.41 | MatBoy | gravity, the version that is available now is not for download anymore and discontinued |
| 00:21.54 | gravity | MatBoy: Doesn't matter |
| 00:21.58 | MatBoy | gravity, how do you mean ? Can you specify it ? |
| 00:22.04 | Gokee2 | streuner, the kernel-image installed without asking me anything. I use grub.. whats initrd? |
| 00:22.09 | gravity | MatBoy: Your problem is totally unclear |
| 00:22.15 | sirius | MatBoy: LMAO you should see a screen shot of my Desktop |
| 00:22.21 | gravity | MatBoy: Because the software is GPL licensed, you have every right to modify it provided you comply with the GPL |
| 00:22.34 | streuner | Gokee2: most of the official kernels use initrd |
| 00:22.35 | gravity | MatBoy: Everything you do on that codebase will be copyrighted by you anyway |
| 00:22.38 | streuner | !initrd |
| 00:22.38 | dpkg | it has been said that initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 00:22.48 | MatBoy | gravity, I don't want to display a Copyright on bad developed software where I have done my own modifications on to make it run better |
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| 00:22.48 | loxety | sorry am using ubuntu.. thought I was in that channel |
| 00:22.51 | gravity | MatBoy: Why does it matter? |
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| 00:23.01 | MatBoy | gravity, looks :) |
| 00:23.06 | gravity | feh |
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| 00:23.23 | gravity | MatBoy: Yes, you can contact the original authors and request that they assign copyright to you if you like. |
| 00:23.28 | gravity | MatBoy: But it sounds really pointless |
| 00:23.43 | Gokee2 | streuner, hmm ah there is a line "initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-k7" is this good? |
| 00:23.47 | gravity | MatBoy: It's not like you have to put the copyright on all the web pages |
| 00:23.47 | MatBoy | gravity, I better can remove their copyright ? |
| 00:24.00 | gravity | MatBoy: That's not proper English. I don't understand. Try again? |
| 00:24.03 | MatBoy | gravity, I will not redistribute it |
| 00:24.05 | streuner | Gokee2: well, iam using lilo ... |
| 00:24.13 | gravity | MatBoy: You can't remove his copyright notice, no |
| 00:24.16 | gravity | MatBoy: At all. |
| 00:24.23 | gravity | MatBoy: Not unless he assigns copyright to you |
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| 00:24.34 | MatBoy | gravity, I will ask the guy |
| 00:24.45 | Gokee2 | streuner, :( |
| 00:24.48 | MatBoy | gravity, but that is a problem with a lot of Open Source software :( |
| 00:24.55 | rockstar_ | Anyone have experience with setting up bluetooth for a bluetooth headset? |
| 00:25.09 | gravity | MatBoy: It's not a problem at all |
| 00:25.17 | gravity | MatBoy: It's important that copyright be maintained |
| 00:25.20 | sirius | MatBoy: Where do i disable the click once on a icon and it opens thing lol |
| 00:25.42 | MatBoy | sirius, you have to configure KDE |
| 00:25.52 | gravity | MatBoy: Just because you want to take credit for this other guy's work doesn't mean you should be allowed to |
| 00:25.54 | rockstar_ | sirius, Yeah, depends on window manager... |
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| 00:26.09 | MatBoy | sirius, didn't you got that question while loggin in for the first time ? |
| 00:26.15 | dondelelcaro | stew: oh, btw: thanks for the patch; in case you want to apply more of them, dpkg is now running the exact code which is in http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/blootbot/branches/don/dpkg/ |
| 00:26.35 | sirius | MatBoy: Yea i selected KDE style |
| 00:27.04 | MatBoy | ok, there was also an option to use "Windows style clicking" |
| 00:27.10 | sirius | o |
| 00:27.14 | MatBoy | hehe :) |
| 00:27.18 | sirius | MatBoy: Any way to fix it now ? |
| 00:27.38 | abrotman | !tell zzer about away |
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| 00:28.17 | MatBoy | sirius, "Start" => Settings => something with KDE |
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| 00:30.31 | byte_blaster | Can Anyone please help I cannot get apt-get to work and I have pasted the error message in flood |
| 00:30.41 | MatBoy | sirius, I'm going to sleep now |
| 00:30.52 | sirius | later |
| 00:30.56 | MatBoy | cu ! |
| 00:31.08 | tonsofpcs | try updating ? |
| 00:31.09 | MatBoy | !tell zzer about messages |
| 00:31.18 | MatBoy | !tell zzer about back |
| 00:31.20 | Chroni | can you install debian fully from installation cd or does it need to download packages through I-net , I mean to make a networkless installation including X11 and kde |
| 00:31.43 | zzer | lol, yeah i read, sorry |
| 00:31.49 | tonsofpcs | Chroni: you can download the netinst cd or you can download multiple cds for full |
| 00:31.50 | MatBoy | zzer, what client ? |
| 00:31.51 | basbrya1 | byte_blaster: missed your pastebin... paste again? |
| 00:31.54 | MatBoy | zzer, I had it also |
| 00:31.55 | MatBoy | once |
| 00:31.56 | Supaplex | Chroni: it's idealy suited for net install, but if you have the cds, you can use those. |
| 00:31.58 | streuner | Chroni: X and KDE are about 300 MB... |
| 00:31.58 | zzer | ksirc |
| 00:32.01 | MatBoy | yep |
| 00:32.02 | byte_blaster | tonsofpcs, I have done the update and if I try to upgrade I get that message |
| 00:32.04 | MatBoy | the same here |
| 00:32.12 | MatBoy | apt-get install xchat :) |
| 00:32.27 | zzer | MatBoy: here freebsd :p |
| 00:32.28 | sirius | Anyone know how to change icon clicking from one click to double click in KDE ? |
| 00:32.32 | streuner | Chroni: netinstal-CD have usually about 100 MB |
| 00:32.34 | MatBoy | zzer, make it work :p |
| 00:32.35 | Chroni | So in case I have I-net connection which cd image should I get and in case I want to make a networkless installation which other |
| 00:32.44 | zzer | MatBoy: will ... |
| 00:32.56 | MatBoy | zzer, OK ! success ! |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | zzer: just turn off public announcement |
| 00:33.14 | tonsofpcs | byte_blaster: what gives that message? |
| 00:33.26 | sinplomo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.29 | zzer | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 00:33.35 | sinplomo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.51 | sinplomo | ups |
| 00:33.51 | sinplomo | xD |
| 00:34.03 | byte_blaster | tonsofpcs, Anything with apt-get install, upgrade, remove. I get the same message for all of them |
| 00:35.22 | tonsofpcs | byte_blaster: etch sid sarge ? |
| 00:35.32 | byte_blaster | tonsofpcs, sarge |
| 00:36.06 | tonsofpcs | hmmm, weird |
| 00:36.11 | tonsofpcs | what's in your apt sources list? |
| 00:36.55 | byte_blaster | tonsofpcs, I had just added the mythtv sources and tried to do the mythtv install and I have had problems aver since |
| 00:37.16 | amee2k | how can i make apt remove downloaded package files and other cached things that take hd space but aren't necessary? |
| 00:37.33 | tonsofpcs | what happens if you remove them (comment em out) |
| 00:37.42 | abchirk | gn8 @ all |
| 00:37.44 | abrotman | amee2k: man apt-get |
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| 00:39.15 | byte_blaster | tonsofpcs, I will try commenting them out. The source is: "http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main" |
| 00:39.27 | Chroni | is debian 14 cd's? to install? I checked under debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd |
| 00:39.29 | sirius | Anyone know how to change icon clicking from one click to double click in KDE ? |
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| 00:39.57 | Supaplex | Chroni: at the very least, you need cd1. Some of those cds are source only. |
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| 00:40.34 | byte_blaster | tonsofpcs, same error message |
| 00:40.37 | Supaplex | Chroni: popcon determines what ends up on cd1 cd2 and so on, based on popularity, most popular on lower number cds |
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| 00:40.54 | Chroni | Supaplex: can you please guide me to which cd image I need to install debian (through I-net for latest binary packages) and which other for networkless installation |
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| 00:41.46 | Supaplex | you only need the netinst iso if you have a network connection. if you don't know what packages you want, you may or may not need more then just cd1. it all depends on what you want. |
| 00:42.11 | Chroni | Supaplex but I mean total amount of cd's for networkless installation are 14 ? |
| 00:42.11 | XandriX | where is the rc script that defines modules to preload ? |
| 00:42.28 | abrotman | /etc/modules ? |
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| 00:42.31 | Supaplex | Chroni: it's 7 if you don't use the source cds. |
| 00:42.42 | truz_`24 | How can I get mysql-server-5.0 on debian stable? |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | Supaplex: wasn't that woody? |
| 00:43.13 | Chroni | Supaplex latest release is 3.1_r2? |
| 00:43.14 | Supaplex | maybe, but it was to my understanding the source cds took up half the list. |
| 00:43.16 | truz_`24 | Let me rephrase; Are there any repositories that have mysql-server-5.0 on them for debian stable? |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
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| 00:43.42 | Supaplex | truz_`24: backports |
| 00:43.44 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1471 maintainers, 28170 MB installed size, 8869 MB compressed size. |
| 00:43.52 | abrotman | !8869/675 |
| 00:43.52 | dpkg | 13.139259259259 |
| 00:44.17 | Supaplex | well then there you have it :) |
| 00:44.34 | Supaplex | 14 shiney cds hehe |
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| 00:44.50 | Chroni | Supaplex I mean which version should I get current or 3.1rc2 |
| 00:44.51 | abrotman | i think it might be 13 .. not sure |
| 00:47.28 | mishkiz | hello all....im tring to configure a debian apt repository but im having some problems...my debian files are in /repository/sarge and I run: "dpkg-scanpackages sarge /dev/null | gzip > sarge/Packages.gz"...In sources.list I put "deb http://192.168.0.10/sarge sarge main" but apt its searching the Packages.gz in "/sarge/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz"...it sould search in "/sarge/Packages.gz"...what is wrong ? |
| 00:47.36 | Chroni | Current are the isos I need to get ? |
| 00:48.22 | Supaplex | Chroni: it won't make much difference. maybe it's just a symlink anyway. |
| 00:49.03 | Chroni | so In case I want to install with normal cd's not netinstall, installation phase will ask me for all cd's 1 to 14 ? |
| 00:49.36 | Supaplex | just cd1 to start with. you may want others after the base install is up. |
| 00:50.12 | Chroni | latest versions of kde and xorg are within those cds as well? |
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| 00:50.43 | gravity | Chroni: Nope |
| 00:51.20 | Chroni | gravity : are Kde and Xorg versions on install cd's outdated? |
| 00:51.40 | Supaplex | they're outdated the second they are made. |
| 00:52.00 | gravity | Chroni: Yes, but not really. They work for most people and they're stable. If you need a newer version, backports.org can help you, but there's a reason it's called Debian Stable |
| 00:52.02 | Supaplex | and, I suspect you are thinking of unstable packages, not sarge (stable) |
| 00:52.50 | Chroni | Supaplex I see , you mean sarge as current which is 31r2 ? |
| 00:52.51 | Supaplex | no need for xorg, not until the dust settles :> hehe |
| 00:53.16 | Supaplex | I don't really care what revision they are. so, I don't know. no sense wasting a few brain cells on that factoid. |
| 00:53.19 | gravity | which reminds me... |
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| 00:53.50 | k-man_ | does the ntfs driver support writing to ntfs partitions/ |
| 00:53.51 | jair | hey guys I am trying to find a tutorial that explain how to use the keyboard and the sh shell? |
| 00:53.52 | k-man_ | ? |
| 00:54.06 | abrotman | k-man: not the one in sarge |
| 00:54.23 | k-man_ | abrotman, is there any that does? |
| 00:54.54 | abrotman | not in debian afaik |
| 00:54.55 | truz_`24 | Supaplex, how do i add backports to my repository list? |
| 00:55.14 | Supaplex | truz_`24: check the website. I'm sure its there somewhere. |
| 00:55.31 | Supaplex | or /msg dpkg backports |
| 00:55.46 | k-man_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 00:56.01 | Supaplex | !captive |
| 00:56.01 | dpkg | [captive] The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom, or <pipeline> abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT" |
| 00:56.02 | truz_`24 | yeah, the howto links are down on backports.org |
| 00:57.12 | Supaplex | k-man_: that's another way of saying caveat emptor or YMMV :) |
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| 00:57.30 | janez | hi |
| 00:57.34 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 00:57.49 | janez | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ these are the images of debian testing¿? |
| 00:58.12 | abrotman | that's the netinst for etch .. still in development |
| 00:58.30 | janez | =) |
| 00:58.32 | janez | thx |
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| 01:00.53 | sirius | Im having trouble mounting my Sata Drive im using this command mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /home/sirius/mount/storage -o suid=idhere |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 01:01.52 | Supaplex | sirius: I haven't ready the man page, but are you required to us a numerical uid? |
| 01:02.02 | sirius | i know |
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| 01:03.11 | Supaplex | hummmm |
| 01:03.13 | mishkiz | sirius, what errors ? |
| 01:03.27 | jair | guys anyone here is familiar with the "sh" shell? |
| 01:03.28 | sirius | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 01:03.47 | Supaplex | sirius: file -s /dev/sda1 |
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| 01:04.13 | Supaplex | sirius: dmesg | tail may help to. (don't paste) |
| 01:04.27 | sirius | says its a NTFS |
| 01:04.49 | Supaplex | so maybe it's a bad option. |
| 01:04.52 | jair | I am trying to find a tutorial that shows me the use of the sh in the keyboard |
| 01:05.01 | sirius | NTFS-fs error (device sda1): parse_options(): Unrecognized mount option suid |
| 01:05.10 | mishkiz | sirius, fdisk -l /dev/sda to show the partitions and FS |
| 01:05.37 | mishkiz | sirius, if you try to mount without -o suid=idhere ? |
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| 01:07.58 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 01:07.59 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 01:08.27 | k-man_ | i have an old debian partition on my windows box, but no way to install it... what would be a quick way to install grub or lilo so i can dual boot windows and linux? |
| 01:08.38 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 01:08.38 | k-man_ | sorry, i mean no way to boot the linux partition |
| 01:08.38 | dpkg | i heard grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 01:09.11 | FabParma | dpkg |
| 01:09.43 | magyar | hi, i keep getting "dumping master file: /etc/bind/slaves/tmp-IGTi7yY9Ht: open: permission denied" on the slave server |
| 01:09.45 | Gokee2 | I can`t seem to figure out why my 2.6 kernel doe not boot... 2.4 boots just fine. Any ideas? |
| 01:09.48 | k-man_ | abrotman, i can boot that and then install grub from that? |
| 01:09.49 | FabParma | dpkg reizer |
| 01:09.50 | Gokee2 | does* |
| 01:09.55 | abrotman | k-man_: you can try |
| 01:10.05 | FabParma | dpkg reiser |
| 01:10.06 | dpkg | it has been said that reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 01:10.36 | FabParma | how to ask to "dpkh" in a private window? |
| 01:10.46 | FabParma | how to ask to "dpkg" in a private window? |
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| 01:11.50 | Coweater | /msg dpkg factoid |
| 01:11.54 | Gokee2 | FabParma, /msg dpkg question |
| 01:12.10 | FabParma | Gokee2 ; thanks |
| 01:12.20 | Gokee2 | np |
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| 01:14.47 | SixtyWatt | Hello, does anyone use a Texas Instruments graphing calculator with usb capabilities? If so, how well does Debian support it? |
| 01:15.05 | magyar | anyone using bind as a slave server on etch? |
| 01:15.06 | abrotman | SixtyWatt: try it and let us know |
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| 01:15.54 | SixtyWatt | abrotman, I have yet to purchase it but I do see apps supporting it in my repos. |
| 01:16.12 | abrotman | SixtyWatt: that's a good sign |
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| 01:22.10 | sirius | i accedently chmoded / how do i fix it to what it was ? |
| 01:22.18 | abrotman | you can't |
| 01:22.23 | abrotman | wait .. all of it |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | '? |
| 01:22.29 | sirius | i did chmod 777 / |
| 01:22.43 | sirius | i ment to hit . |
| 01:22.49 | Supaplex | sirius: it's usually 755 |
| 01:22.55 | abrotman | sirius: why were you root? |
| 01:23.00 | sirius | mounting |
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| 01:23.28 | Supaplex | because he wants to reinstall real soon now (tm) |
| 01:23.31 | sirius | im trying to mount a ntfs and give my account premissions |
| 01:23.36 | sirius | :P |
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| 01:23.46 | Supaplex | you can't chmod ntfs. |
| 01:23.55 | sirius | i just want read access |
| 01:24.05 | Supaplex | then read the man page for the mount options. |
| 01:24.27 | Supaplex | apropos is your pal. :) |
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| 01:28.04 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 01:28.05 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 01:28.50 | Supaplex | poor lilo. |
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| 01:30.31 | magyar | does anyone know why bind9 on etch doesnt allow transfer from master? |
| 01:32.24 | Gokee2 | is there any way to find out if the reiserfs filesystem driver is in the right place so the kernel can find it to mount the root fs with it? |
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| 01:33.04 | guerra | hail, whats the best way to install java sdk 1.5 in debian? |
| 01:33.51 | Supaplex | magyar: does it have anything to do with ipv4 mapped ipv6 addresses? |
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| 01:34.25 | abrotman | !tell guerra about install java |
| 01:34.35 | liable | !install java |
| 01:34.36 | dpkg | install java is, like, First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using unstable. |
| 01:34.39 | Supaplex | mmm java-package |
| 01:34.49 | magyar | Supaplex: not sure, how can i check? |
| 01:35.00 | Supaplex | !bts |
| 01:35.00 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 01:35.07 | Supaplex | woops, nm that. |
| 01:35.15 | kill-9 | hey anyone here knows where i can buy a palm os with a Linux os? |
| 01:35.20 | Supaplex | are you running ipv6 at all? ifconfig... |
| 01:36.01 | Supaplex | Arafangion: how sad. :-X |
| 01:36.02 | Arafangion | kill-9, Never heard of a "palm os with a Linux os". |
| 01:36.14 | Arafangion | kill-9, A device is either running palm os, OR another os. |
| 01:36.14 | magyar | Supaplex: nope |
| 01:36.47 | Arafangion | Supaplex, obsd is strangly attractive to me. Unbelievably consistent, neat, and clean. |
| 01:36.49 | Supaplex | magyar: well, if you don't see any other bug posted to bts, and you can replicate it, post a new one. |
| 01:36.51 | kill-9 | Arafangion is there soemthing similar with a linux os? |
| 01:37.04 | Arafangion | kill-9, Perhaps the Zaurus. |
| 01:37.25 | Supaplex | Arafangion: maybe on the same version. :) I'm still hiding from nighmares that is 4.x freebsd. |
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| 01:37.41 | Arafangion | Supaplex, Heh. |
| 01:37.51 | kill-9 | Arafangion it comes with linux? |
| 01:37.53 | magyar | Supaplex: it's strange as hell, the master has the slaves ip address, one slave (older install of etch) works, last weeks install of etch dosen't |
| 01:38.12 | Arafangion | kill-9, I believe that it uses Linux as a kernel, and uses Java for the rest of it. |
| 01:38.22 | kill-9 | Arafangion can you go online with it? |
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| 01:38.28 | smax | fellaz |
| 01:38.32 | Supaplex | magyar: the slaves need the master. the master could have the slaves if your acl is as tight as it should be. :) eg, slaves-only (or whatever it was). |
| 01:38.38 | Arafangion | kill-9, imho, it's overkill. Linux should not be an OS for tiny devices. |
| 01:38.40 | magyar | Supaplex: same bind package |
| 01:38.44 | smax | if i buy a new mother board, must i reinstall Debian on my hard drive? |
| 01:38.54 | kill-9 | but can you go online with it Arafangion? |
| 01:38.56 | liable | no |
| 01:38.59 | Supaplex | smax: nope. not unless you're switching arch's. |
| 01:39.01 | abrotman | kill-9: it does run linux .. and yes can go online .. it's not F/OSS . .but you can put Opie on the zaurus |
| 01:39.02 | abrotman | !opie |
| 01:39.03 | dpkg | somebody said opie was wanted to be maintained by Espy. a PDA enviroment (usually Sharp Zaurus), or a one-time pad for passwords - see http://www.linux.ie/lists/pipermail/ilug/2005-August/083130.html |
| 01:39.04 | sirius | What is closest to dream weaver on linux packages ? |
| 01:39.22 | abrotman | bluefish? nvu? |
| 01:39.22 | Supaplex | quanta? |
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| 01:39.28 | heh_v_water | sirius none of the above |
| 01:39.31 | sirius | lol |
| 01:39.34 | smax | Supaplex: will Debian detect the new mother board on it's own, or should i consult a tutoial? |
| 01:39.43 | smax | what are arch's ? |
| 01:39.57 | Supaplex | smax: x86 ppc mach sparc |
| 01:39.57 | smax | i am going to get a new vendor |
| 01:40.01 | smax | oh right |
| 01:40.06 | heh_v_water | sirius: try all them suggestions, see if you find one you liek and forget about dreamweaver |
| 01:40.06 | smax | naw, x86 |
| 01:40.18 | shogunx | that one time password opie would be handy in a display manager. |
| 01:40.40 | Supaplex | smax: I don't exepct you'll need one. Maybe a kernel with better support - but a rescue cd should cover that. |
| 01:40.54 | smax | so it will automatiically configure? |
| 01:41.30 | Arafangion | Supaplex, So, what was the fbsd 4.x like and was was the nature of the headache? |
| 01:41.33 | Supaplex | smax: more or less... |
| 01:41.35 | heh_v_water | personally i think you can't beat the php highlighting in Kate ;) |
| 01:41.46 | smax | nice, thanx fellaz |
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| 01:42.15 | Supaplex | Arafangion: restarting services = hell. but the kernel was more stable then anything 5.0+ to date. |
| 01:42.53 | Arafangion | SubStack, Because of the bsd-style init? |
| 01:43.13 | Supaplex | there's no rc.d / init.d in 4.x |
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| 01:43.30 | Arafangion | SubStack, rc.d/init.d is sysv-init |
| 01:43.48 | Supaplex | 5.x has rc.d |
| 01:44.11 | sid | If I put a proxy in "http" in firefox connection settings, when I do a dns request. Is my dns request going through my proxy? |
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| 01:44.52 | Supaplex | Arafangion: we've adopted debian for any new linux machines tho :) no gentoo or R.H. unless it's critically needed for that role. (eg, coldfusion *shudder*) |
| 01:44.54 | Arafangion | SubStack, Is bsd-init the major issue that you have with fbsd? |
| 01:45.11 | chiefdome | hi does somebody know if i can mount a bin/cue file in linux just like daemon-tools in windows? |
| 01:45.12 | Supaplex | Arafangion: it's Supaplex, not SubStack :) |
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| 01:45.21 | Supaplex | only in 4.x |
| 01:45.42 | Supaplex | chiefdome: if you convert it to an iso you can use the loopback driver |
| 01:45.43 | Arafangion | Supaplex, I'm a big fan of Debian - all my linux machines use it, but obsd just seems... I don't know, somehow nicer and more consistent and more polished. It is fatally lacking in drivers, though. |
| 01:46.02 | Arafangion | SubStack, obsd is also bsd-style, afaik. |
| 01:46.22 | Arafangion | Supaplex, obsd is also bsd-style, afaik... |
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| 01:46.30 | Arafangion | Damn tab. |
| 01:46.38 | Supaplex | it's all *bsd hehe. |
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| 01:46.50 | Supaplex | ~lart Arafangion's tab key |
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| 01:46.56 | Supaplex | heh |
| 01:47.04 | abrotman | apt: hi |
| 01:47.04 | apt | que tal, abrotman |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 01:47.09 | Arafangion | Supaplex, What do you mean by "it's all *bsd"? |
| 01:47.11 | abrotman | Damn Tab. |
| 01:47.17 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 01:47.21 | Arafangion | Heya abrotman |
| 01:47.26 | abrotman | Damn tab. |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | apt: who owns you |
| 01:47.32 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 01:48.00 | chiefdome | Supaplex: i have to convert it? otherwise i cant mount it? |
| 01:48.13 | Supaplex | chiefdome: correct. |
| 01:48.13 | sirius | None of the programs have good php code highlighting it seams |
| 01:48.17 | abrotman | Arafangion: hi |
| 01:48.40 | Supaplex | sirius: it's only as good as the coding language itself. ;) |
| 01:48.51 | Arafangion | Supaplex, No need to duck. |
| 01:48.56 | sirius | :O |
| 01:49.20 | Arafangion | I'd prefer perl to php |
| 01:49.25 | Supaplex | ditto |
| 01:49.37 | sirius | whats the command to uninstall a package ? |
| 01:49.45 | sirius | haters |
| 01:49.47 | sirius | :P |
| 01:49.49 | Arafangion | Supaplex, I prefer python to perl ;) |
| 01:49.57 | sirius | any of you guys try ruby ? |
| 01:49.59 | chiefdome | have read about cdemu - cdemu.sourceforge.net but i doesnt work for me |
| 01:50.04 | gravity | ruby rules |
| 01:50.09 | sirius | :D |
| 01:50.12 | Arafangion | sirius, Haven't had a chance, but I really like what I've read about ruby. |
| 01:50.17 | sirius | gravity gets a A in my book |
| 01:50.19 | chiefdome | it doesnt work for me |
| 01:50.25 | abrotman | sirius: bluefish or anjuta |
| 01:50.39 | abrotman | sirius: or use eclipse and phpeclipse |
| 01:50.43 | Supaplex | I'll be using ruby if I land this bid. Still waiting on it. |
| 01:50.44 | sirius | abrotman i tried bluefish i may use that i dont think ive tried anjuta |
| 01:51.52 | Arafangion | Personally, I would use any language, so long as it isn't done inside of VS, and doesn't call itself ASP.NET |
| 01:52.15 | chiefdome | ok thx anyway |
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| 01:52.33 | sirius | VB for the lose |
| 01:52.54 | Arafangion | One thing that is preventing me from using ruby is it's pathetic wx bindings. |
| 01:53.24 | Supaplex | sources.list.d is for cool. someone read my mind. |
| 01:53.50 | abrotman | gravity: founding? finding? |
| 01:53.55 | gravity | abrotman: founding |
| 01:54.01 | abrotman | you founded XSF ? |
| 01:54.09 | gravity | No, the ruby extras team |
| 01:54.12 | abrotman | pj |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:54.29 | gravity | I haven't had any time to contribute there though, unfortunately |
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| 01:54.51 | abrotman | !tell Oyst3X about away |
| 01:54.52 | sirius | so what was the apt command to remove a package ? |
| 01:55.00 | abrotman | man apt-get |
| 01:55.03 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 01:55.04 | dpkg | from memory, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 01:55.33 | Oyst3X | abrotman =] |
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| 01:56.11 | sirius | hey thats awsome lol |
| 01:57.13 | litage | i've setup /var/www/ as its own partition. when i mount it, /var/www/lost+found/ is created, which i obviously don't want. can i just remove this directory, or do i have to do something else? |
| 01:57.54 | Dewi | litage: all partitions have a lost+found |
| 01:58.01 | Dewi | litage: fsck has to have somewhere to play |
| 01:58.32 | litage | Dewi: makes sense. considering lost+found/ shouldn't be in apache's document root, what should i do? |
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| 01:58.45 | Dewi | litage: oh. |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | litage: you should probably leave it eh ? |
| 01:58.59 | Dewi | litage: put "deny from all" in a <directory> |
| 01:59.04 | Dewi | litage: in your conf |
| 01:59.17 | Dewi | <Directory /var/www/lost+found> |
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| 01:59.20 | Dewi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.20 | abrotman | or make a subdir of /var/www/ |
| 01:59.32 | abrotman | this should be good |
| 01:59.39 | Dewi | personally I always have at least one subdir under my main web area |
| 01:59.47 | Dewi | because often you have stuff you don't want published |
| 01:59.54 | Dewi | but you still want web apps to see |
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| 02:00.01 | Dewi | config files etc |
| 02:00.05 | litage | Dewi: ah yeah, that's not a bad idea. i'll put my sites in /var/www/site-name/ |
| 02:00.06 | litage | :) |
| 02:00.22 | Dewi | litage: yeah. That's how I (used to) do it |
| 02:00.49 | Dewi | litage: and for the default (largely empty) vhost I just use /var/www/default |
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| 02:01.04 | litage | aye aye |
| 02:01.47 | Dewi | litage: in fact I'm so obsessed with keeping things in one spot I even put my apache config in there too, and then symlink it from /etc/sites-enabled |
| 02:02.02 | Dewi | really handy if you compile your apache config... |
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| 02:02.24 | litage | Dewi: ah, that's where we differ. i use apache1.3 :) |
| 02:02.41 | Dewi | litage: it might still have an Include directive if you're lucky |
| 02:02.42 | Dewi | :) |
| 02:02.48 | litage | heh true |
| 02:03.32 | litage | Dewi: it's probably a lot safer to keep your apache config files in /etc/apache*/sites-available/ so that they're not in the document root |
| 02:03.50 | litage | Dewi: only things that should be publicly accesible should be in the doc root |
| 02:04.25 | Gokee2 | How can I find out why my 2.6 kernel does not boot? Is there a log somewhere? It dumps my to the "busybox" is there a boot log there? |
| 02:04.27 | Dewi | litage: which is why I have yet another subdir :) |
| 02:04.35 | Dewi | litage: called htdocs |
| 02:04.44 | sirius | Hey if i already have eclipse and want phpeclipse is there a simple plugin or do i have to download a whole nother program ? |
| 02:04.57 | Dewi | litage: so I end up with /srv/site/foo/productname/htdocs |
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| 02:05.20 | litage | oh geebus =P |
| 02:05.23 | Dewi | litage: and logs and confs go next to htdocs :P |
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| 02:05.40 | Dewi | litage: I run a fair few web sites.... it has evolved to be this complicated over time |
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| 02:06.10 | Dewi | litage: I don't go to this amount of trouble for static sites |
| 02:06.12 | sirius | apt-cache depends kate |
| 02:06.14 | sirius | .. |
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| 02:06.30 | Dewi | sirius: I've always wondered that |
| 02:06.36 | Dewi | sirius: about phpeclipse |
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| 02:06.42 | sirius | yea :-/ |
| 02:06.42 | Dewi | sirius: I'd use it if I wasn't so confused by it |
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| 02:07.19 | sirius | Another question lol if i do apt-get remove kate will it remove every package needed by it ? even if another program use's it ? |
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| 02:08.02 | litage | sirius: ``apt-get remove kate'' will remove kate and all packages that require kate |
| 02:08.34 | sirius | even if another program use's those packages ? |
| 02:10.59 | astronut | sirius: then they are removed too |
| 02:11.19 | astronut | sirius: it does not remove packages kate needs |
| 02:11.23 | astronut | only packages that need kate |
| 02:11.41 | astronut | foo -> kate -> bar (-> is needs) |
| 02:11.47 | sirius | i c |
| 02:11.50 | astronut | apt-get remove kate will remove kate and foo |
| 02:11.52 | astronut | but not bar |
| 02:12.14 | astronut | iirc, aptitude can remmeber what uses bar and remove it when it's no longer needed, but apt-get doesn't |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | sirius: or use aptitude |
| 02:12.47 | astronut | abrotman: the problem with aptitude is it wants to remove half my system |
| 02:12.55 | sirius | lol |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | astronut: you can make it think you installed everything on its own iirc |
| 02:13.21 | astronut | i jsut periodically use deborphan |
| 02:13.29 | astronut | abrotman: ya, but then that defeats the purpose |
| 02:13.36 | astronut | there is some way to do it, but it requires more work |
| 02:13.39 | abrotman | astronut: or you have to use it to start with |
| 02:13.44 | astronut | then i have to go through and mark each individually |
| 02:13.44 | astronut | ya |
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| 02:13.56 | astronut | except it wanted to do more stuff on a (fairly fresh) system |
| 02:14.02 | astronut | when upgrading sarge->etch |
| 02:14.07 | astronut | after cancelling a tasksel |
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| 02:15.11 | tanob | hello, somebody can help me with the printing system? |
| 02:15.24 | astronut | !asktoask |
| 02:15.30 | astronut | !ask to ask |
| 02:15.31 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 02:15.39 | tanob | ok, sorry |
| 02:15.48 | Dewi | sirius: if you use aptitude it will remove packages no longer needed because they were only installed for kate |
| 02:16.03 | astronut | assuming you used it from the beggining and used it to install kate |
| 02:16.04 | Dewi | sirius: but it only has that information if you used aptitude to begin with |
| 02:16.05 | sirius | Dewi: http://www.plog4u.org/index.php/Using_PHPEclipse_:_Installation_:_Installing_PHPEclipse |
| 02:16.18 | tanob | my printing was working in the past, is a PSC 1310, but now isn't working anymore |
| 02:16.19 | sirius | that will let you install phpeclipse from eclipse |
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| 02:16.32 | Dewi | sirius: oh, good |
| 02:16.41 | astronut | tanob: cups has gone through some updates recently, including configuration changes |
| 02:16.49 | tanob | yeah, i guess |
| 02:16.53 | tanob | how can i fix up ? |
| 02:17.10 | astronut | tanob: look at /usr/share/doc/cupsys/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 02:17.11 | tanob | i'm looking the syslog, and doing tests |
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| 02:17.21 | tanob | ok, let me see |
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| 02:18.05 | tanob | dpkg-reconfigure cupsys ? |
| 02:18.33 | astronut | tanob: no, redo however you set it up (wizard, configuration tool, etc) |
| 02:18.44 | dendrite | tanob: I configure cups by going to http://localhost:631 |
| 02:19.36 | astronut | i think apt-listchanges should be installed and set up to show NEWS entries by default |
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| 02:21.28 | tanob | ugh, the web interface is just giving me errors |
| 02:21.54 | dendrite | tanob: Ugh? Sounds like a useful data point. |
| 02:21.57 | tanob | the informations in cups' logs is so poor |
| 02:22.20 | tanob | dendrite, ugh = oh shit |
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| 02:23.05 | tonsofpcs | What is this "Lily" or "SLCP" messaging protocol used by? |
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| 02:24.13 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: are you compiling your own kernel ? |
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| 02:24.22 | caverdude | hi |
| 02:24.27 | wimp | how many pcs do you have? any risc/misp ones you are planning to get rid of? |
| 02:24.31 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: no |
| 02:24.36 | caverdude | when setting up partitions, do I set only one to bootable? |
| 02:24.38 | tonsofpcs | wimp: many, no. |
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| 02:24.48 | caverdude | I don't set the linux partion to bootable if the windows is primary right? |
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| 02:25.27 | tanob | even the web interface of cups isn't printing test pages |
| 02:25.39 | tanob | just give me 'Bad request' |
| 02:26.05 | dendrite | tanob: What flavor of Debian are you running? |
| 02:26.16 | tanob | dendrite, unstable/stable |
| 02:26.35 | caverdude | anyone? I forgot this minor detail |
| 02:26.38 | dendrite | tanob: And your packages are updated? |
| 02:26.42 | caverdude | I think only one bootalbe is allowed |
| 02:27.08 | dendrite | caverdude: I don't think Linux much cares whether it's started from a bootable partition or not... |
| 02:27.27 | tanob | dendrite, yes |
| 02:27.41 | dendrite | caverdude: Though I confess that it's been a long time since I dallied with dual booting... |
| 02:27.43 | caverdude | dendrite ah thanks |
| 02:28.07 | dendrite | tanob: And have you tried to modify printer, and re-assert the setup? |
| 02:28.20 | tanob | i'm trying to 'manage printers' |
| 02:28.31 | tanob | but i'm getting only a empty page contnet |
| 02:28.35 | tanob | content* |
| 02:29.02 | dendrite | tanob: Sounds like you have quite the mess there. |
| 02:29.04 | tanob | well.. i'll try to remove all |
| 02:29.09 | tanob | sucks man.. |
| 02:29.09 | dendrite | tanob: What browser are you using? |
| 02:29.14 | tanob | konqueror |
| 02:29.15 | caverdude | linux is ext3 now not ext2? |
| 02:29.19 | dendrite | tanob: Try Mozilla. |
| 02:29.37 | dendrite | tanob: I find some stuff works better with Mozilla, and some stuff works better with Konq. |
| 02:29.52 | tanob | ok, tried |
| 02:29.56 | tanob | but the same problem |
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| 02:30.08 | dave__ | hi all |
| 02:30.10 | dendrite | caverdude: ext3 has the same physical layout as ext2, but ext3 has journaling extensions. |
| 02:30.19 | dave__ | I am getting this error message when i try to run lvm in debian |
| 02:30.20 | dave__ | any ideas |
| 02:30.28 | dave__ | No program "pvdisplay" found for your current version of LVM |
| 02:31.11 | dave__ | anyone? |
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| 02:33.32 | EnterUserName | hi all |
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| 02:33.38 | EnterUserName | can someone help me out with an error message in lvm2? |
| 02:33.46 | zephyrus | why does apt-get subversion install return E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 02:33.47 | zephyrus | heh |
| 02:33.48 | EnterUserName | im using debian and i did an apt-get install lvm2 |
| 02:33.54 | tanob | i guess that i'll have to go to windows and print my document... |
| 02:33.54 | EnterUserName | No program "pvdisplay" found for your current version of LVM |
| 02:33.59 | EnterUserName | thats the error message im getting |
| 02:34.13 | astronut | zephyrus: weird |
| 02:34.26 | astronut | zephyrus: ping peterS about that |
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| 02:35.26 | dendrite | tanob: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=331050 |
| 02:35.37 | EnterUserName | hmm? |
| 02:37.07 | stew | zephyrus: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
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| 02:43.35 | wimp | I have a huge *.ps file; I want to change it so that it's 6 pages -> 1 page (each page is a ppt slide); what prog can I use to do this (I already have it in *.ps format; I just want to put 6 pages on 1 page) |
| 02:45.15 | JochenA | wimp: try man psup. Haven't used it in a while and have to figure it out myself everytime, but it is quite easy. |
| 02:45.29 | wimp | apt-cache search psup shows nothing |
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| 02:45.48 | JochenA | hold on... |
| 02:46.08 | JochenA | wimp: psnup |
| 02:47.21 | wimp | JochenA, thanks |
| 02:47.28 | JochenA | try psnup -nup 6 infile.ps outfile.ps |
| 02:47.37 | Arafangion | widrone, mpage |
| 02:47.42 | Arafangion | Or that. |
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| 02:50.29 | stew | dondelelcaro: cool, i'm svn up'ing now. |
| 02:50.57 | emmettshear | liable: You helped me deal with a hardware recognition problem a couple days ago...I just wanted to say thanks, after you helped me I was able to get the rest of the way by myself and am happily running my 1.2 TB raid now :) |
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| 02:51.44 | El[Sh]AwN | anyone speak spanish? |
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| 02:51.50 | stew | !es |
| 02:51.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:53.44 | astronut | emmettshear: even though i have nothing to do with it, thank you for saying something like that - it really makes people feel good to know they are appreciated |
| 02:54.23 | bartlebee | what'd he say? |
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| 02:54.32 | sirius | Anyone suggest a great FTP Client ? |
| 02:54.44 | bartlebee | sirius, gftp is quite nice |
| 02:54.47 | astronut | emmettshear: he was thanking someone for help |
| 02:55.04 | sirius | thanks |
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| 02:56.05 | Supaplex | what, multiple instance of netcat not good enough for ftp? ;) |
| 02:56.07 | astronut | sirius: if you perfer console, i like ncftp |
| 02:56.23 | sirius | consoled based ? |
| 02:56.24 | xeon3d | Is there a way to make apt-get forget about some packages I wanted to install (thru dpkg)? |
| 02:56.29 | astronut | sirius: command line |
| 02:56.40 | sirius | no i know that i was asking if it was :-/ |
| 02:56.45 | astronut | xeon3d: something with set selections |
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| 02:56.55 | astronut | sirius: it's a CLI client |
| 02:57.00 | xeon3d | astronut, thanks I'll try and find it. |
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| 03:03.28 | astronut | dpkg: start a distro war |
| 03:03.29 | dpkg | RHEL 0wnz! |
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| 03:06.35 | Supaplex | !confuse congress |
| 03:06.35 | dpkg | No, those are our hamster yesterday, congress? pants of the republic of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
| 03:06.43 | Supaplex | nm, too late. |
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| 03:07.02 | xeon3d | astronut, I fixed with by removing and creating another /var/lib/dpkg/status file. Thanks anyways. |
| 03:07.21 | astronut | xeon3d: cool |
| 03:07.36 | Supaplex | xeon3d: there should be backups of that status file on your system |
| 03:07.44 | xeon3d | there were. :D |
| 03:08.10 | Supaplex | yay :) diff -u helps to. glad to hear it's working. |
| 03:08.14 | xeon3d | I removed them as well afraid of something. But all is working nicely now. Thanks :D |
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| 03:09.08 | bgilb | is there a tutorial on how to install the x window system? |
| 03:09.25 | gravity | bgilb: aptitude install x-window-system |
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| 03:09.35 | RHyS | how do i remove a dir from my PATH? |
| 03:09.50 | bgilb | and then type startx gravity? |
| 03:10.01 | gravity | bgilb: Yes |
| 03:10.17 | bgilb | alright. ill try that |
| 03:10.19 | bgilb | thank you |
| 03:10.31 | RHyS | you can startx gravity? |
| 03:10.42 | RHyS | wow. i didnt know gravity had a window manager too.. |
| 03:10.58 | bgilb | :D |
| 03:11.44 | gravity | erm |
| 03:11.57 | RHyS | ohhh. lol |
| 03:13.36 | Supaplex | RHyS: yea, /bin/false ;) |
| 03:14.13 | RHyS | i see. |
| 03:14.26 | RHyS | but i still dotn know how to get rid of a directory in your PATH |
| 03:14.27 | RHyS | :( |
| 03:14.38 | Supaplex | RHyS: bash? |
| 03:14.41 | RHyS | aye |
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| 03:14.54 | RHyS | /etc/profiles didnt work |
| 03:14.56 | RHyS | its not there |
| 03:14.57 | Supaplex | .bash_profile / .bashrc |
| 03:15.00 | RHyS | but then, i think thats for sh |
| 03:15.10 | Supaplex | it's /etc/profile, but that's system wide. |
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| 03:16.07 | RHyS | well thats odd then. |
| 03:16.19 | RHyS | $PATH returns the directories i want to get rid of |
| 03:16.27 | RHyS | but they arent in /etc/profile |
| 03:16.30 | RHyS | im root |
| 03:16.39 | astronut | RHyS: .bash_profile? |
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| 03:16.42 | Supaplex | maybe it was setup in init scripts. |
| 03:16.57 | Supaplex | which directories RHyS? |
| 03:17.48 | RHyS | i added the something that screwed it up |
| 03:17.56 | RHyS | i added /etc/init.d/ |
| 03:18.04 | RHyS | thinking i could run restart for things |
| 03:18.24 | RHyS | but then, the same filenames are called in /usr/bin |
| 03:18.27 | RHyS | so it goes to them first |
| 03:18.33 | RHyS | so i wanted to remove them |
| 03:18.33 | Supaplex | is that path still there when you logout and back in? |
| 03:18.47 | RHyS | i used the export command...so no they woudlnt be. |
| 03:18.48 | RHyS | :D |
| 03:19.02 | ram_einstein | how do I change the apt mirror? the jp mirror seems to be amazingly unreliable |
| 03:19.06 | Supaplex | export causes children to inherit it |
| 03:19.28 | Supaplex | ram_einstein: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:19.40 | ram_einstein | Supaplex: thanks |
| 03:19.44 | RHyS | yay. ty |
| 03:20.25 | Supaplex | np ram_einstein, RHyS :) |
| 03:20.31 | ram_einstein | can't I get that ncurses app to select though? |
| 03:20.46 | Supaplex | like vim? ;) hehe |
| 03:21.43 | Supaplex | I'm so use to editing it directly, I've forgotten the widgets that can help. |
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| 03:22.31 | Sal | 666 |
| 03:22.39 | Sal | anyone here ever install suPHP on debian ? |
| 03:23.17 | Supaplex | Sal: that's on the wiki |
| 03:23.27 | ram_einstein | :( someone suggest a good mirror |
| 03:23.38 | Supaplex | ram_einstein: apt-spy |
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| 03:24.20 | ini | i have been stuck with a strange problem. anyone of you wants to hear about it? |
| 03:24.24 | ram_einstein | Supaplex: I don't have that tool |
| 03:24.43 | ram_einstein | I'll try getting it |
| 03:25.05 | Supaplex | !tell ini -about ask |
| 03:25.36 | ram_einstein | got it |
| 03:25.45 | ini | Supaplex: don't teach your grandmother how to suck eggs. |
| 03:26.28 | Supaplex | ini: uhm.. ok *shrug* |
| 03:27.21 | ram_einstein | now I have to figure out I think apt-spy update will do what I want |
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| 03:29.04 | ini | Supaplex: let's see if you can help me solve it. my have no mouse response at kdm login. but when i restart the session with a alt-ctrl-backspace, it starts to work. you know why? |
| 03:29.36 | Supaplex | are you running gpm as well? |
| 03:29.48 | RHyS | does anyone know how to give negative arugments for grep? like i want it to display everything but the lines that start with # |
| 03:29.53 | ini | Supaplex: no. |
| 03:30.00 | Supaplex | RHyS: -v |
| 03:30.39 | ini | Supaplex: how to check if gpm is running? |
| 03:30.42 | Supaplex | ini: when's the last time this worked? maybe it's the wrong driver? |
| 03:30.52 | Supaplex | ini: ps/top etc |
| 03:31.20 | RHyS | ahhh right. invert string |
| 03:32.06 | ini | Supaplex: ok, confirm no gpm running. the driver cannot be wrong if the mouse can work after a session re-start. |
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| 03:33.01 | ini | Supaplex: a bit of history. it goes wrong only after i upgrade the kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.15. |
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| 03:33.21 | elPepo | hi friends... |
| 03:33.31 | Supaplex | ini: how do the configs between those differ? |
| 03:34.05 | ini | Supaplex: i was using xfree in 2.6.8 but xorg in 2.6.15. |
| 03:34.06 | Supaplex | ini: Documentation/BUG-HUNTING may have some clues to (if it can be prooven it's not config related) |
| 03:34.45 | Supaplex | well, xorg isn't in stable anyhow, so I'm not suprized how much grief there is in that package right now... |
| 03:35.10 | ini | Supaplex: is that a right statement to make? |
| 03:35.25 | ini | xorg has been around for sometime now. |
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| 03:36.32 | Supaplex | does xorg behave the same with the old kernel? |
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| 03:37.26 | Supaplex | atleast it's not a button issue yet. :) |
| 03:37.38 | Tuborgn | quick question: I have a webroot in /var/www/html and I need to back it all up. I just wanna double check that I have this right cause one time I buggered things. I would go 'tar -cvf /var/www/html backup.tar' ....yes? no? |
| 03:37.56 | dondelelcaro | Tuborgn: the other way around |
| 03:38.11 | Tuborgn | tar -cvf backup.tar /var/www/html ? |
| 03:38.20 | dondelelcaro | Tuborgn: f specifies the file that you want to use as an archive. The argument immediately following it must be the archive. |
| 03:38.53 | dondelelcaro | Tuborgn: yes, that's right. You may also want to do cd /var/www; tar zvcf $(OLDPWD)/backup.tar.gz html; but that's really up to you. |
| 03:39.22 | elPepo | I recently buy a mobo K8NGM2 for AMD-Athlon64 then use my Etch CDs and have linux-image-2.6.15-1-486... Do I can update to linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 or have to wait for k8? |
| 03:39.51 | RHyS | thats weird. i try to: grep -v # /etc/filename |
| 03:39.58 | RHyS | and it tells me its invalid |
| 03:40.04 | RHyS | it wont do it |
| 03:40.18 | RHyS | i thought it should give me every line that doesnt start with #... |
| 03:41.11 | RHyS | ah |
| 03:41.13 | RHyS | '#' |
| 03:41.13 | Supaplex | RHyS: ^# |
| 03:41.14 | RHyS | :) |
| 03:41.26 | RHyS | why does it take # as not a char? |
| 03:41.39 | Supaplex | ^ is a start of line charater, and # is a shell comment. |
| 03:41.48 | ini | Supaplex: what is the URL for Documemtation/BUG-HUNTING? |
| 03:41.58 | Supaplex | ini: kernel sources |
| 03:42.31 | RHyS | oh. so it stops reading at the # |
| 03:42.32 | Supaplex | humm.. just the other day I was able to list all window managers. How can I get a list of these? |
| 03:42.32 | RHyS | i see |
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| 03:43.30 | Supaplex | ouu, x-window-manager |
| 03:43.35 | jocanor | xD |
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| 03:44.53 | stew | Supaplex: apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager |
| 03:45.07 | Supaplex | yea, I found it. :) thanks. |
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| 03:49.55 | debian | Anyone can help me try accessing http://www.networksolutions.com ? |
| 03:50.12 | debian | it returns nothing to me |
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| 03:51.23 | RHyS | debian, i get nothing also |
| 03:51.37 | dendrite | debian: I get a connection reset. |
| 03:51.44 | sid | debian: I get that also |
| 03:52.03 | debian | thanks. there goes my domains. :(* |
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| 03:52.16 | dendrite | debian: https connects longer, but hangs. |
| 03:52.31 | RHyS | debian, i get a ping reply.. |
| 03:52.32 | RHyS | :( |
| 03:52.33 | RHyS | ? |
| 03:52.35 | dendrite | debian: Maybe they didn't pay their registrar. ;-) |
| 03:52.40 | debian | haha |
| 03:52.42 | debian | probably |
| 03:52.43 | ifup | Does anyone use madwifi and wpa_supplicant? is there a good howto I am using wep right now but want to use WPA. Thanks |
| 03:52.44 | ram_einstein | in apt-spy, MOST mirrors are just non-existant |
| 03:52.54 | debian | I can't find a better domain register |
| 03:52.58 | dendrite | https dies eventually as well. |
| 03:53.04 | RHyS | why do i get a ping reply but no http? |
| 03:53.19 | debian | domainnic hires monkey for their customer support |
| 03:53.21 | dendrite | RHyS: Completely different subsystems involved. |
| 03:53.33 | RHyS | true. |
| 03:53.35 | debian | RHyS: ping is icmp reply |
| 03:53.46 | RHyS | so its alive, but apache doesnt work? |
| 03:53.49 | ootput | debian: out of curiosity, how long ago did u reg your nickname with nickserv? |
| 03:54.02 | debian | RHyS: I'm alive, but I refuse to work. Same |
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| 03:54.10 | dendrite | RHyS: something like that. I expect somebody's pager is going off... |
| 03:54.14 | RHyS | debian, arent we all |
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| 03:54.39 | debian | RHyS: so you can ping me, but you can't browse the content inside me |
| 03:55.26 | RHyS | i know. :( i cant get inside anybody anymore. |
| 03:55.43 | debian | RHyS: with enough money paid upfront, you probably can |
| 03:56.01 | RHyS | yea but then i wouldnt like what id find inside |
| 03:56.15 | ram_einstein | how do I enable UDF support in my kernel? kernel module? |
| 03:56.41 | debian | RHyS: depends on which site you visit |
| 03:56.58 | ram_einstein | 'cos I can't seem to read dvds |
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| 03:57.12 | RHyS | i figure just put my hand on the power cord....they usually let me in then. |
| 03:57.24 | RHyS | they get shut off otherwise. :) |
| 03:57.39 | RHyS | does anyone know how to manage users for vsftpd? |
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| 04:01.44 | ram_einstein | and how do I ask apt-spy to finish benchmarking and write that sources.list based on what it has already benchmarked? |
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| 04:02.34 | DimmuR | ram_einstein: CONFIG_UDF_FS=m (if you want module) |
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| 04:03.30 | ram_einstein | DimmuR: where do I do that? |
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| 04:04.28 | DimmuR | ram_einstein: in kernel config |
| 04:04.28 | ram_einstein | and it isn't that I want a module. I just see no other way |
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| 04:05.42 | ram_einstein | DimmuR: where's that file? I installed deb this morning |
| 04:05.59 | DimmuR | usually sources are in /usr/src/linux |
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| 04:08.49 | ram_einstein | what the hell was DimmuR saying? debian isn't source-based! |
| 04:09.07 | debian | ram_einstein: he's talking about kernel |
| 04:09.18 | debian | ram_einstein: and i can be compiled from sources |
| 04:09.37 | ram_einstein | debian: obviously |
| 04:09.56 | ram_einstein | do you suggest I do that? |
| 04:10.06 | debian | if you've time |
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| 04:10.49 | ram_einstein | what other option do I have? |
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| 04:13.45 | ram_einstein | I can always compile the kernel on any system. I'm asking how it's done on debian |
| 04:15.32 | ram_einstein | How do I ask apt-spy to finish benchmarking and write sources.list based on what it has already benchmarked? |
| 04:15.35 | dendrite | ram_einstein: make-kpkg. |
| 04:15.59 | peterS | ram_einstein: make-kpkg is in the 'kernel-package' package, btw |
| 04:16.11 | sid | ram_: You don't. Let it finish. |
| 04:16.12 | ram_einstein | dendrite: I see |
| 04:16.18 | debian | ram_einstein: not only kernel, but the packages too |
| 04:16.19 | peterS | ram_einstein: the idea is, it's a wrapper around the compile process that produces an installable .deb file |
| 04:16.20 | ram_einstein | sid: k |
| 04:16.31 | litage | should /var/www/ be owned by root:www-data or www-data:www-data ? |
| 04:16.44 | ram_einstein | peterS: nice |
| 04:16.45 | debian | litage:...i do it web.webadm |
| 04:16.54 | ram_einstein | I'll get that then |
| 04:16.57 | dendrite | ram_einstein: After patching, something like make-kpkg clean; make oldconfig; make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --revision 1 --append_to_version -`date +%Y%m%d%H%M` kernel_image |
| 04:16.59 | peterS | litage: that's a site decision. you normally don't need apache to have write access to those files, but maybe you want that in your case |
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| 04:17.13 | debian | dendrite: you |
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| 04:17.20 | debian | dendrite: you're human-man-page! :) |
| 04:17.52 | ram_einstein | dendrite: I didn't quite pick that up |
| 04:18.30 | ram_einstein | what are we trying to do? |
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| 04:18.38 | dendrite | ram_einstein: make-kpkg clean sets things up for a debian build. |
| 04:18.41 | peterS | ram_einstein: make-kpkg has documentation. the '--rootcmd fakeroot' part means to use the fakeroot program rather than having to be root in some other way |
| 04:18.42 | debian | ram_einstein: may be they got you wrong, I just told you debian can be source-compiled, they thought you want to compile a kernal. >:) |
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| 04:18.55 | dendrite | make oldconfig is the usual. |
| 04:19.34 | ram_einstein | menuconfig is what I prefer |
| 04:19.38 | dendrite | ram_einstein: I build the package as a regular user, then use dpkg to install it. |
| 04:20.10 | dendrite | ram_einstein: I use make oldconfig first, to sync up with what I did before. You can find your current configs in the /boot directory. |
| 04:21.09 | peterS | ram_einstein: well, oldconfig vs. menuconfig has nothing to do with debian. that's purely a kernel thing. so don't get hung up on that part (: |
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| 04:21.35 | ram_einstein | dendrite: so it just makes a deb from a certain config |
| 04:21.56 | ram_einstein | peterS: yes :) |
| 04:21.57 | dendrite | ram_einstein: Yes. It builds a kernel package. |
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| 04:22.30 | peterS | ram_einstein: the advantages of using kernel-package to build a .deb are: you can cleanly install and uninstall it, and the install scripts update /boot/grub/menu.lst automatically, stuff like that |
| 04:22.55 | ram_einstein | first I need the kernel source |
| 04:23.44 | ram_einstein | peterS: Right. Package management |
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| 04:24.37 | dendrite | Is there still an issue with make-kpkg and initrd that wants a special debian patch? |
| 04:25.22 | dendrite | I recall that was true a while ago. Of course my answer was to not use initrd... |
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| 04:27.14 | k31th | Anyone know a way of intergrating windows / linux auth ? we have windows and linux servers (we are a school). And when kids forget a password its a PITA... anyone know of a way atm the linux box is running LDAP and the windows servers are Active Directory. |
| 04:27.25 | redblades | Hi, I'm having some issues with a form of compression that I am unfamiliar with |
| 04:27.27 | k31th | ATM Windows is doing the file sharing + AD, Linux is doing email - websites - external file storage - VLE |
| 04:27.52 | dendrite | ram_einstein: Yeah, that's the easy way. The issue is/was with cramfs. May still be an issue w/ some architectures, according to the make-kpkg man page. |
| 04:27.59 | peterS | k31th: you can target your linux auth to AD using the 'winbind' package, though I don't remember the specifics |
| 04:28.06 | redblades | It is .WAL |
| 04:28.16 | redblades | I have no idea how to decompress it |
| 04:28.17 | Gnea | !paster |
| 04:28.17 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. Afterwards, give us the resulting url. |
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| 04:28.48 | k31th | peterS: that will work for all auth on the linux box ? |
| 04:28.57 | peterS | dendrite: last I heard the herbert xu patch for cramfs was still needed in linux 2.4 upstream, but I haven't necessarily heard the latest |
| 04:29.01 | redblades | Has anyone come across this .WAL?? |
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| 04:29.19 | peterS | k31th: pretty much. it takes a bit of setup. you have to join the NT domain, etc. |
| 04:29.28 | Gnea | hey everyone, I'm trying to get this bash function to work and it's got an issue that's driving me crazy -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/2820 |
| 04:29.40 | dendrite | peterS: Gotcha. Thanks. |
| 04:29.43 | redblades | I've tried tar zxvf blah.wal |
| 04:29.48 | astronut | Gnea: did you try #bash |
| 04:29.52 | Gnea | it'll try to run iptables anyway and i can't put my finger on it |
| 04:29.55 | redblades | no luck so far though |
| 04:29.56 | k31th | peterS: that would work nice. However i guess im going to run into problems with hom dirs etc. |
| 04:30.03 | Supaplex | redblades: is that a tarball? |
| 04:30.10 | redblades | I think so |
| 04:30.15 | Gnea | astronut: naw, i'm trying to incorporate this into a .deb that i'm working on |
| 04:30.20 | Supaplex | redblades: file foo.txt |
| 04:30.31 | redblades | huh? |
| 04:30.36 | Supaplex | man file |
| 04:30.44 | redblades | Oh, it's a command |
| 04:30.47 | redblades | : p |
| 04:31.05 | astronut | Gnea: i wasn't trying to say you were off topic, just that they have the expertice |
| 04:31.06 | Vasistha | Gnea: I'm suspicious of that first line assignment, IPTABLES=`/sbin/iptables` |
| 04:31.07 | k31th | peterS: I guess getting the windows box to auth against the linux one is out of the question :p |
| 04:31.10 | k31th | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.23 | redblades | Supaplex, Hybrid_v1_0.wal: Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract |
| 04:31.39 | peterS | k31th: nah, that can be done. it may be significant work as well though |
| 04:31.43 | Supaplex | redblades: well then, use unzip, not tar. :) |
| 04:31.47 | redblades | Oh! I haven't tried unzip |
| 04:31.57 | redblades | heh heh |
| 04:31.59 | Supaplex | !win redblades |
| 04:32.00 | Gnea | Vasistha: well it's a command, it'd be like doing: for i in `ls`; do yada; done rather than: for i in "ls"; do yada; done |
| 04:32.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, redblades! You have won the US presidency! |
| 04:32.01 | astronut | Gnea: what's wrong with it? |
| 04:32.04 | k31th | peterS: yeah im just reading up on it all tbh. |
| 04:32.05 | peterS | redblades: or 'zipinfo' (from the unzip package) to look inside the file first |
| 04:32.18 | Gnea | garson:~# blockit |
| 04:32.18 | Gnea | iptables v1.2.11: no command specified |
| 04:32.18 | dendrite | Gnea: the backward quotes mean to execute the enclosed string, and assign the output. |
| 04:32.23 | k31th | thanks tho, you mentioning that looks like its going to help me out alot :D |
| 04:32.24 | Supaplex | :) |
| 04:32.37 | dendrite | Gnea: you want forward quotes. '/sbin/iptables' |
| 04:32.39 | Supaplex | yay, laggg . .g. .. .g.g.g |
| 04:33.13 | Gnea | !beer dendrite |
| 04:33.21 | Gnea | dendrite: thank you :) |
| 04:33.25 | peterS | k31th: the thing is, you can't make windows clients use _native_ unix/linux auth. they're just not compatible. what you can do is either keep the two systems in sync, or make the linux box use a windows-compatible auth scheme of some sort (this can take different forms) |
| 04:33.46 | dendrite | Gnea: No problem. Actually, Vasistha spotted that first. |
| 04:33.52 | astronut | Gnea: maybe no ; after ]? |
| 04:33.52 | Gnea | yeah |
| 04:33.58 | Gnea | !beer Vasistha |
| 04:34.01 | Gnea | !beer astronut |
| 04:34.05 | Vasistha | aww, thanks |
| 04:34.06 | peterS | k31th: I could tell you why they're not compatible, getting into one-way hash functions and challenge/response, but I won't (: |
| 04:34.09 | Gnea | astronut: nope, that's proper form. |
| 04:34.33 | Gnea | unlimited :D |
| 04:34.39 | peterS | !my factoids |
| 04:34.40 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 04:34.50 | Supaplex | !literal beer |
| 04:34.56 | dpkg | "beer" is "liquid gold mate" |
| 04:34.56 | peterS | dendrite: see the first URL dpkg gave there |
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| 04:35.40 | ram_einstein | http://pastebin.com/703775 >> my apt is broken! |
| 04:36.38 | k31th | peterS: In this case i think it will be best for me to use the windows auth although its kinda sick the users are already on the windows boxes |
| 04:36.47 | k31th | so would sveme job of readding l; |
| 04:36.48 | astronut | Gnea: regardless of why it doesn't work, it won't act as intended |
| 04:36.48 | k31th | :p |
| 04:36.53 | astronut | the drop rule has to be last |
| 04:37.05 | dendrite | ram_einstein: You could try another mirror, or wait, odds are the mirror you're pointing at will sort itself out. |
| 04:37.22 | Gnea | astronut: wanna bet? it works 100% perfectly now. |
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| 04:37.41 | astronut | what'd you do? |
| 04:37.46 | astronut | do the log rules work? |
| 04:37.53 | Gnea | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2821 |
| 04:37.58 | Gnea | yes. |
| 04:38.04 | dendrite | astronut: A DROP passes non-matching packets. |
| 04:38.14 | Gnea | i've used this sort of function before, but it got wiped out - i basically had to rewrite it from scratch |
| 04:38.24 | peterS | ram_einstein: probably a transient error, try again after a bit |
| 04:38.32 | astronut | whats the diff? |
| 04:38.33 | Gnea | astronut: basically it blocks the ip from doing anything with the system |
| 04:38.39 | astronut | Gnea: yes, i got that much |
| 04:38.40 | ram_einstein | dendrite: I think the issue is that I switched mirrors from stable to testing? |
| 04:38.47 | Gnea | astronut: well the quotes are fixed, and i added the whois at the end |
| 04:38.53 | ram_einstein | peterS: okay |
| 04:38.55 | astronut | but if you hit the rule -s target -j drop, it hsouldn't have gotten blocked |
| 04:38.57 | dendrite | ram_einstein: Ah. Not all mirrors cover all the flavors of Debian. |
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| 04:39.03 | Gnea | why not? |
| 04:39.06 | k31th | Jesus have you guys seen that microsoft advert, where it says "choosing windows over linux will save us over a million dollers in the first four years" |
| 04:39.26 | peterS | k31th: nah but it's not really on-topic here |
| 04:39.30 | ram_einstein | dendrite: I'm on AMD64 |
| 04:39.30 | dendrite | k31th: Doubt if anybody here cares. |
| 04:39.33 | astronut | err |
| 04:39.34 | astronut | continued |
| 04:39.39 | astronut | that rule should have matched |
| 04:39.43 | astronut | and it should have ended the chain |
| 04:40.08 | Gnea | astronut: what do you mean? |
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| 04:40.26 | ram_einstein | dendrite: could you suggest a mirror that just works? |
| 04:40.44 | ram_einstein | I can't seem to find one |
| 04:40.45 | astronut | you're using -A (append) - the DROP target is final, so once it matches that rule, it should be dropped and not go to the rest of the rules |
| 04:40.54 | dendrite | ram_einstein: I'm not running testing anywhere, so I can't. That may be a question for "anyone." :-) |
| 04:40.55 | peterS | ram_einstein: you're using one in .de, I suppose you want http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian |
| 04:41.08 | Gnea | astronut: no, because it's not a -j RETURN |
| 04:41.39 | ram_einstein | peterS: thanks! I hope this works |
| 04:42.03 | astronut | no, return sends it to the calling chain |
| 04:42.18 | Gnea | astronut: hehe, it just works man :) |
| 04:42.26 | ram_einstein | I'm not using de for any particular reason |
| 04:42.28 | astronut | k |
| 04:43.32 | peterS | ram_einstein: note, google://debian+mirrors is good information |
| 04:43.33 | astronut | Gnea: packet over INETDEV or INIF_0 |
| 04:44.01 | Gnea | astronut: that's just for maximum coverage. everything is extremely specific. |
| 04:44.09 | ram_einstein | peterS: ok |
| 04:44.13 | astronut | Gnea: the one that works, which is it over? |
| 04:44.22 | Gnea | ? |
| 04:44.24 | astronut | i am telling you, one coming in from INETDEV won't be logged |
| 04:44.31 | astronut | just dropped |
| 04:45.45 | redblades | Hi, I'm trying to delete these .wal files, and rm doesn't work, it says "invalid option" |
| 04:45.47 | astronut | if you want it to be logged, you have to LOG before the drop |
| 04:45.57 | astronut | DROP will end proccessing of that packet, and it will never hit log |
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| 04:48.38 | dendrite | redblades: Shall we all just randomly guess what command you're trying to use? |
| 04:49.50 | dendrite | Having to also guess invalid options does add a certain challenge... =) |
| 04:50.42 | Gnea | astronut: hrm, that's a good point, noted. |
| 04:51.12 | redblades | dendrite, What are you talikng about? |
| 04:51.19 | redblades | I told you the command |
| 04:51.35 | redblades | and rm doesn't work |
| 04:52.01 | peterS | redblades: you did not. you said it was something with rm in it. it told you you were using an invalid option. we have _no_ idea what option you used that made it say that. |
| 04:52.24 | dendrite | 00:46 < redblades> Hi, I'm trying to delete these .wal files, and rm doesn't work, it says "invalid option" |
| 04:52.53 | dendrite | redblades: Try pasting the *one line* command you're trying that gives the error. |
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| 04:54.54 | Supaplex | does the filename start with a dash? |
| 04:55.05 | dendrite | Supaplex: I was wondering that myself. :-) |
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| 04:55.42 | Supaplex | it's why -- is so useful :) |
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| 04:55.55 | dendrite | Supaplex: You may win the "randomly guess what command" contest!!! |
| 04:55.59 | peterS | bah, ./-filename is more intuitive |
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| 04:56.43 | Supaplex | !hug live.debian.net |
| 04:56.43 | dendrite | peterS: Until you get a lot of files that start with '-' ... |
| 04:56.52 | peterS | dendrite: ./-* works |
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| 04:57.25 | dendrite | peterS: Heh. OK. But I'm not convinced about the 'intuitive' part. =) =) |
| 04:57.40 | Supaplex | perl -we 'chomp;unlink($_) || die($_ $!);' |
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| 04:57.57 | Supaplex | s/w/n/ |
| 04:58.01 | peterS | dendrite: once I had some admins who had some trouble with my home directory because I had intentionally put at least one dash-file in it |
| 04:58.11 | dendrite | Supaplex: Or redblades could just reinstall... ;-) |
| 04:58.18 | Supaplex | hah |
| 04:58.33 | peterS | dendrite: I wasn't very mature at the time - I remember emailing them my "top ten ways to delete such files". it required some creativity to come up with 10 ways, but I managed it |
| 04:58.36 | dendrite | peterS: :-) |
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| 04:59.20 | Wuffy | hey, um, is there an easy way to disable my internal speaker form beeping ? |
| 04:59.24 | peterS | dendrite: the point, of course, was to show off that I knew not one but 10 ways more than they did (: |
| 04:59.32 | Wuffy | i dont have a gui. |
| 04:59.33 | dendrite | Wuffy: cut the wires. |
| 04:59.37 | stew | Wuffy: "modprobe -r pcspkr" |
| 04:59.50 | Wuffy | dendrite: its built into my mobo |
| 04:59.53 | Wuffy | stew: thanks! |
| 04:59.55 | stew | Wuffy: and /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 04:59.56 | sid | I think stew's method is better then dendrite's |
| 05:00.12 | peterS | there's a setterm command, or something like that, that will have the same effect |
| 05:00.16 | Supaplex | setterm -blength 0 |
| 05:00.18 | dendrite | sid: Especially if it's surface mounted... |
| 05:00.44 | dendrite | sid: He'd have to use tin snips... |
| 05:00.54 | peterS | setterm ought to be in console-tools, instead it's in util-linux. what's up with that? |
| 05:01.15 | Supaplex | dain brammage. |
| 05:01.27 | dendrite | peterS: I guess because setterm has more general applications? Dunno. |
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| 05:01.52 | peterS | dendrite: it's the sort of thing, since it deals with Linux text console settings, it would fit in well with console-tools |
| 05:02.10 | peterS | dendrite: that's why I can never remember setterm's name - I do 'dpkg -L console-tools | grep bin/' and it is not there |
| 05:02.29 | dendrite | peterS: No argument here. Just looking for a reason. |
| 05:02.59 | peterS | dendrite: the obvious reason would be the author - perhaps it was written by the maintainer of util-linux, and nobody from console-tools thought to "steal" it |
| 05:03.25 | dendrite | mmm. |
| 05:03.32 | redblades | dendrite, peterS, I would like to apologise, I did not realise how vague my statement was |
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| 05:03.58 | dendrite | redblades: No worries. Asking good questions is an underappreciated art. |
| 05:04.06 | peterS | redblades: no problem - just realise that we can't help you if we don't have enough information. sometimes we get a bit grumpy about asking for more information, too |
| 05:04.14 | Supaplex | my xringd.conf: -a echo -en "\033[11;500]\033[10;75]\007" > /dev/tty12 :) |
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| 05:04.46 | Supaplex | all thanks to setterm -bfreq | less etc. |
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| 05:06.41 | peterS | Supaplex: \e is more readable than \033 |
| 05:06.56 | peterS | Supaplex: and \a instead of \007 |
| 05:06.59 | Supaplex | I always forget \e :) |
| 05:07.10 | peterS | (\a is short for "alert", i.e., console bell) |
| 05:07.11 | Supaplex | humm neat. |
| 05:07.12 | sid | Anyone have a guide for encrypted hdds? I am remotely connected to a box. and I want to setup apache, but mount the hdd in a loop back with aes-256 |
| 05:07.28 | sid | There are a handful of guides on google, but I wanted to know if there was something debian specific or from dpkg |
| 05:07.47 | redblades | Actually, I do have another issue. I require the [nvidia-kernel-1.0.8762] package. Do you know where I might be able to obtain it? |
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| 05:08.16 | peterS | redblades: nvidia drivers are available in the non-free section. I have no idea what version is available for your debian release |
| 05:08.26 | redblades | I seem to be having some issues with apt (many paackages which appear in apt-cache are in fact not present |
| 05:08.59 | redblades | Non-free, hmm... I'm fairly certain I have non-free already... I will check again |
| 05:09.35 | peterS | redblades: 'apt-cache search nvidia kernel driver' works for me |
| 05:09.36 | stew | redblades: can you give us a concrete example of your issues? |
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| 05:09.41 | plasmoduck_ | how do I change the login shell of a user to /bin/false |
| 05:09.48 | peterS | plasmoduck_: chsh username |
| 05:10.17 | plasmoduck_ | thanks |
| 05:10.19 | Supaplex | plasmoduck_: passwd can lock the account, if that's what you're after. |
| 05:10.43 | plasmoduck_ | nah |
| 05:10.44 | redblades | Well, for example, I attempted to download the package nvidia-glx, from apt, only to be told that although it was referred to by other packages, it was unavailable. |
| 05:10.49 | plasmoduck_ | Im setting up a mail account |
| 05:10.57 | plasmoduck_ | so I have to disable shell login |
| 05:11.20 | peterS | Supaplex: you mean 'apt-get install beef'? |
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| 05:11.24 | hikikomori | hi |
| 05:11.26 | hikikomori | anyone here? |
| 05:11.33 | sid | !tell hikikomori about ask |
| 05:11.37 | hikikomori | hello? |
| 05:11.47 | peterS | quick, everyone, play dead |
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| 05:11.50 | hikikomori | ok sid tanx |
| 05:11.52 | peterS | don't let him know you're here |
| 05:11.56 | Supaplex | peterS: no, fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk* |
| 05:12.00 | stew | Supaplex: you should use journaling, you don't have to fsck as often |
| 05:12.11 | dendrite | hikikomori: Yes, there are almost 700 people in this channel. |
| 05:12.17 | peterS | stew: noooo! don't make him use LJ |
| 05:12.23 | hikikomori | how can i know which are the dependencies of a file i want to download? |
| 05:12.39 | dendrite | hikikomori: If you use apt-get, it will tell you. |
| 05:12.40 | stew | hikikomori: apt-cache depends packagename |
| 05:12.52 | hikikomori | ok thanx |
| 05:12.58 | hikikomori | last thing |
| 05:13.02 | sirius | Is there a plugin that works on linux firefox that allows WMV to play in the browser ? |
| 05:13.02 | hikikomori | i want to compile a library |
| 05:13.20 | sid | !tell sirius about w32codecs |
| 05:13.25 | sirius | thanks |
| 05:13.37 | hikikomori | but i ask me for a dependecy called libx11-6 (4.3) but 6.8.2-1 is to be installed? |
| 05:13.42 | hikikomori | what does i mean? |
| 05:13.49 | hikikomori | it |
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| 05:14.15 | peterS | hikikomori: it means we have no idea what version of debian you're using, because 6.8.2-1 isn't current anywhere |
| 05:14.42 | hikikomori | im usign agnula demudi |
| 05:14.50 | peterS | never heard of it |
| 05:15.03 | stew | !demudi |
| 05:15.03 | dpkg | it has been said that demudi is Debian Multimedia Distribution, a distro optimized for audio and multimedia work, based on Debian. DeMuDi is available at http://www.agnula.org/ |
| 05:15.11 | plasmoduck_ | Whats the best way to create a mail account? |
| 05:15.11 | peterS | I mean, I've heard of demudi. but if you were using debian, you'd get libx11-6 version 2:1.0.0-6 or so |
| 05:15.21 | plasmoduck_ | just adduser then chsh to /bin/false ? |
| 05:15.35 | peterS | plasmoduck_: you can choose the shell during the adduser process |
| 05:15.44 | hikikomori | but peter i have the oficial debian repositorioes |
| 05:15.50 | hikikomori | in my sources.list |
| 05:15.55 | peterS | hikikomori: then I wonder where you're getting xorg 6.8.2 |
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| 05:16.25 | hikikomori | what do u recommend me peterS? |
| 05:16.52 | peterS | hikikomori: I suppose along with demudi you have debian stable in your sources.list? that might explain one or two things |
| 05:16.54 | stew | my guess would be that he has a demudi source with xorg and a debian stable source |
| 05:17.23 | stew | or he hasn't run apt-get update in a few months |
| 05:17.45 | peterS | hikikomori: here's the thing - it doesn't matter too much which version of libx11-6 you have, so long as it is new enough to support whatever other packages you install |
| 05:18.09 | hikikomori | i just have debian stable in my sources.list |
| 05:18.16 | peterS | but that library's interface has been backward compatible ever since the transition to libc6, which happened maybe 8 years ago (: |
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| 05:18.37 | Wuffy | hey, i went to install xorg and xfce4. but when i run startx, it says: "X: unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config" "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." |
| 05:18.40 | hikikomori | what do u recommend me peter8? |
| 05:18.42 | Wuffy | anyone know how to fix that one? |
| 05:18.47 | stew | Wuffy: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 05:18.55 | Wuffy | stew: thanks agian. |
| 05:18.56 | stew | Wuffy: and choose "console users" |
| 05:18.57 | peterS | wow, I've never been called peter8 before. cool. |
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| 05:19.08 | stew | peterS: leet |
| 05:19.22 | peterS | hikikomori: I'm still not sure what the problem is. what command are you running and what error is it giving you? |
| 05:19.37 | peterS | hikikomori: something about libx11-6 4.3.0 and 6.8.2, but I didn't get the specifics |
| 05:19.53 | hikikomori | mmmm i yes |
| 05:19.57 | hikikomori | libx11-6 (4.3) but 6.8.2-1 is to be installed |
| 05:20.17 | hikikomori | i need libx11-6 (4.3) |
| 05:20.30 | peterS | hikikomori: I asked what command you ran, to get that |
| 05:20.33 | hikikomori | but i think in my repositories there are just the newer version |
| 05:20.40 | dendrite | hikikomori: paste the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list into this page: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 05:20.50 | dendrite | hikikomori: Then give us that url. |
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| 05:21.21 | hikikomori | apt-get install libx11-dev |
| 05:21.35 | hikikomori | ok dendrite |
| 05:21.46 | peterS | hikikomori: oh, I get it. you have libx11-6 installed already, from demudi, but now you're wanting to install libx11-dev, from stable |
| 05:21.57 | peterS | hikikomori: you need to get libx11-dev from demudi. put that back in your sources.list |
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| 05:22.16 | plasmoduck_ | I setup my mailserver with sendmail, I have forwarded port 25 on my adsl modem, what other ports are required? |
| 05:22.18 | stew | !Xwrapper.config <reply> if you get the error "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.", run "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" and select "console users". There was a bug in the maintainer scripts for x11-common which was fixed in version 7.0.21 (currently in unstable) |
| 05:22.26 | hikikomori | yes peter |
| 05:22.28 | stew | err |
| 05:22.35 | plasmoduck_ | maybe 110? |
| 05:22.42 | hikikomori | and i think libx11-6 from demudi is not stable |
| 05:22.49 | stew | peterS: yeah, fixed in /msg |
| 05:23.28 | peterS | hikikomori: as may be ... you have it installed, quite possibly some of your apps require a Xlib 6.8 rather than the one from xfree86 4.3. so you probably don't want to downgrade libx11-6 back to debian stable, not now |
| 05:23.43 | dendrite | plasmoduck_: If you're using submission, then 587. |
| 05:23.47 | hikikomori | ok |
| 05:24.02 | hikikomori | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2822 |
| 05:24.05 | peterS | hikikomori: instead you want to find the libx11-dev which _also_ shipped with demudi, and install that, to match |
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| 05:24.41 | plasmoduck_ | submission? |
| 05:24.45 | plasmoduck_ | no |
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| 05:25.16 | plasmoduck_ | dont think so |
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| 05:26.56 | hikikomori | ok peter |
| 05:26.56 | hikikomori | but in which repositoriy is libx11-dev? |
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| 05:27.33 | unix_infidel | any good gui partition tool's that are great/standard? |
| 05:27.37 | peterS | hikikomori: it's wherever you got libx11-6 from. presumably demudi. |
| 05:27.49 | sirius | does debian come with the mozilla-devel package installed cause apt-get cant find it ? |
| 05:28.14 | peterS | sirius: we don't call things -devel in debian, we normally call them -dev |
| 05:28.20 | sirius | k |
| 05:28.31 | sirius | that worked :D |
| 05:28.39 | peterS | -devel is a redhatism (: |
| 05:28.44 | sirius | hehe |
| 05:28.55 | stew | "apt-cache search mozilla devel" finds mozilla-dev nonetheless |
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| 05:29.45 | lkj1 | WtF? I am root and it says only root can run xorgsetup |
| 05:29.48 | ram_einstein | (EE) No devices detected. >> when I try to start the X server |
| 05:29.58 | lkj1 | How do I fix that? |
| 05:30.34 | ram_einstein | the vidcard wasn't detected I think |
| 05:30.59 | lkj1 | huh, we both have X problemos |
| 05:31.19 | lkj1 | :( |
| 05:31.39 | peterS | xorgsetup? nobody uses that here, we all just do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:32.00 | peterS | (well, except those of us who edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand) |
| 05:33.02 | dendrite | Oooh! I just opened up a box and found a copy of MS-DOS 6.22 on four 3.5" diskettes!!! |
| 05:33.35 | ZebC | Burn it |
| 05:33.36 | peterS | that's really useful |
| 05:33.57 | peterS | burn _floppies_? no, you burn _cds_. silly boy |
| 05:34.06 | ZebC | I mean with a flame |
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| 05:34.17 | redblades | I can't seem to find this package anywhere: nvidia-kernel-1.0.8762 |
| 05:34.21 | ZebC | Melt it before it spreads |
| 05:34.31 | redblades | The Debian site lists it as "Not available" |
| 05:34.52 | peterS | redblades: I doubt you want to put the version number into the package name |
| 05:34.55 | ram_einstein | secondly, instead of recompiling the kernel, isn't there a readymade kernel module I can use to for UDF? I mean does everyone have to recompile a kernel before they can read DVDs on Debian? |
| 05:35.10 | peterS | redblades: also, I seem to remember telling you how to find the right package about 15 minutes ago |
| 05:35.17 | redblades | Did you ? |
| 05:35.26 | redblades | I may have missed it, or forgotten |
| 05:35.28 | peterS | redblades: apt-cache search nvidia kernel driver |
| 05:35.40 | hikikomori | peter |
| 05:35.47 | formorer | btw. debian kernels have udf as a module |
| 05:35.59 | ram_einstein | (EE) No devices detected. >> when I try to start the X server. I have an nvidia card and am using nv driver |
| 05:36.01 | hikikomori | i think i have 6.8.2 installed but i need libx11-6 (4.4) |
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| 05:36.59 | redblades | peterS, I did do that. nad once again it told em that it had unmet dependancies. |
| 05:37.20 | ram_einstein | formorer: it clearly isn't loaded. I'll attempt to load it |
| 05:37.48 | peterS | hikikomori: we can't help you with libx11-6 version 4.4, that has never been in debian and never will be |
| 05:38.00 | sid | Is it possible for me to remotely ssh into a CentOS box with two 400 gig hdds each, /dev/sda has CentOS, and /dev/sdb is empty. Then I put debian on /dev/sdb, change grub/menu.lst and reboot into debian?(all remotely) |
| 05:38.00 | redblades | Although many packages appeared, including nvidia-glx (which is the one I really want anyway) though all of them require that kernel. |
| 05:38.01 | formorer | bart:/lib/modules# modprobe udf |
| 05:38.01 | formorer | bart:/lib/modules# cat /proc/filesystems | grep udf udf |
| 05:38.16 | formorer | .oO( second udf is the output ) |
| 05:38.24 | dendrite | Wow. An 8" floppy with Wordstar on it... |
| 05:38.30 | peterS | sid: possible yes. make sure you know what you are doing, unless you have someone on-site to pick up after you in case it doesn't work |
| 05:38.44 | redblades | Which is ridiculous, I know, because I am trying to install a kernel, and it is telling me I need another Kernel to do that |
| 05:38.46 | sid | peterS: yea I know, heh. |
| 05:38.57 | peterS | sid: I for one refuse to take responsibility for making sure you get the boot sequence right, so that you don't end up with an unbootable system. so don't ask. |
| 05:39.03 | sid | peterS: You know off hand what program I would use? Can I use debootstrap on CentOS? |
| 05:39.06 | ram_einstein | formorer: thanks |
| 05:39.15 | peterS | sid: sure you can |
| 05:39.18 | hikikomori | peter im installing lib6-dev form demudi repository |
| 05:39.26 | sid | peterS: I know how to setup the boot sequence. |
| 05:39.34 | formorer | ram_einstein: but a mount -t udf would have get it loaded automaticaly :) |
| 05:39.45 | peterS | hikikomori: you are not. there is no lib6. I don't know if you mean libx11-6 or libc6 or what. |
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| 05:39.57 | redblades | I'm just confused as to how this is possible, with every package I need requiring dependancies which I simply can not track down! |
| 05:40.08 | ram_einstein | formorer: really? I'll try |
| 05:40.44 | hikikomori | yes libc6-dev |
| 05:40.57 | hikikomori | and libx11-6 |
| 05:40.58 | peterS | redblades: if you stick to debian packages in a single repository, that should never happen. occasionally contrib package, non-free packages, packages from third-party repositories, packages hand-picked from some repository you don't have in sources.list, and occasionally packages from unstable, this does happen |
| 05:41.29 | hikikomori | i found libx11-6 in the repositorioes |
| 05:41.45 | peterS | libx11-dev should be in the same location as libx11-6 |
| 05:42.17 | redblades | Is there no way to weed out any packages which do not belong? |
| 05:42.31 | redblades | I wish to run etch |
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| 05:42.48 | Toge | hello |
| 05:42.48 | ram_einstein | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, >> a DVD is in |
| 05:42.54 | hikikomori | peter which one do i need to install? |
| 05:43.01 | Toge | do you know an editor to edit pdf? |
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| 05:43.25 | bgilb | yay! |
| 05:43.29 | bgilb | i got debian working with gnome |
| 05:43.32 | bgilb | and im a linux noob |
| 05:43.39 | ram_einstein | ... |
| 05:43.43 | gravity | Congratulations |
| 05:43.55 | formorer | *g+ |
| 05:44.02 | bgilb | i basically through trial and error finally figured out with packages and aptitude were |
| 05:44.06 | bgilb | aptitude is a pretty badass thing |
| 05:44.31 | widrone | !beer bgilb |
| 05:44.33 | redblades | but it seems that much of what I want to use requires packages from other versions |
| 05:44.48 | peterS | hikikomori: you need to install whatever you originally needed to install. you tell me that this is libx11-dev. so install it already. |
| 05:44.59 | hikikomori | ok |
| 05:45.00 | hikikomori | :) |
| 05:45.19 | widrone | Or seeing its monday morning here, I should not be pouring beer perhapps. My bad... |
| 05:45.22 | peterS | gravity: you'll like this one, hikikomori is installing libx11-dev 6.8.2 of all things. not in debian? that's what I said. it's in demudi. |
| 05:45.31 | gravity | I saw |
| 05:45.37 | redblades | peterS, Is it possible? |
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| 05:45.41 | gravity | peterS: I've helped enough people with crazy mixing of versions |
| 05:45.44 | bgilb | i have a question. how can i reconfigure the display. right now it maxes at 800x600 and i want 1024x768? |
| 05:45.45 | gravity | Tonight at least |
| 05:46.00 | peterS | gravity: yeah I wasn't asking you to get involved, I was just being amused about it |
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| 05:46.11 | hikikomori | ? |
| 05:46.16 | gravity | peterS: Yeah :-) |
| 05:46.30 | hikikomori | whats the surprising thing peter8? |
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| 05:46.32 | redblades | gravity, hey, could you help just one more person? |
| 05:46.48 | tonsxchat | hi all |
| 05:46.56 | peterS | hikikomori: I mentioned this to gravity because he is the one who produced those x11 packages |
| 05:47.18 | hikikomori | ohhhh |
| 05:47.47 | streuner | redblades: ask in channel and don't adress people directly. |
| 05:47.56 | tonsxchat | two questions about screen: (1) What does C-s do to it? (2) Why would I be unable to detatch by screen -d (pid) [it just hangs when i try]? |
| 05:48.00 | redblades | I seem to have mixed my packages, and now many of the dependencies are unavailable |
| 05:48.00 | hikikomori | peter demudi is debian |
| 05:48.04 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.05 | redblades | streuner, sure, sorry |
| 05:48.28 | hikikomori | no puedo descansar |
| 05:48.34 | hikikomori | tengo que terminar con esto |
| 05:48.37 | redblades | !es |
| 05:48.37 | peterS | hikikomori: no, it's a sort of debian derivative that has packages from debian unstable at some point in time, but clearly it is not up-to-date, which is why your problem sounds strange to us |
| 05:48.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:48.40 | gravity | redblades: No, I'm sorry. I'm too exhausted tonight. |
| 05:48.45 | redblades | That's oaky |
| 05:48.49 | redblades | ***okay |
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| 05:48.57 | gravity | To be honest, I"m not really interested in helping such problems anyway... |
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| 05:49.07 | redblades | : ) Who is? |
| 05:49.15 | peterS | redblades: if you only have /etc/apt/sources.list lines from a single distribution, things tend to just work themselves out. |
| 05:49.32 | ram_einstein | I have this DVD-R I created and read on Gentoo. Can't mount it here >> UDF-fs: No VRS found |
| 05:49.33 | gravity | Well, I've never been one to mix debian versions. Good things don't seem to come of it |
| 05:49.36 | ram_einstein | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, |
| 05:49.45 | gravity | So when people do it, I have little sympathy |
| 05:49.47 | stew | gravity: can you please fix demudi? |
| 05:49.55 | ram_einstein | what do I need? |
| 05:49.56 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 05:49.57 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 05:49.57 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 05:49.59 | redblades | I thought that would work, but it seems that many of my packages require non-etch dependencies |
| 05:50.19 | gravity | Anyway, I killed an RC bug or two tonight, so I'm happy |
| 05:50.41 | peterS | gravity: you're a good man |
| 05:50.44 | redblades | gravity, actually, it was an accident, I did not intend to mix versions |
| 05:51.03 | redblades | I have before in the past and it killed everything |
| 05:51.09 | dendrite | redblades: So, what versions are you mixing? |
| 05:51.12 | gravity | peterS: Heh, thank you :-) |
| 05:51.25 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.26 | gravity | [01:49] < stew> gravity: can you please fix demudi? |
| 05:51.26 | gravity | [01:49] < ram_einstein> what do I need? |
| 05:51.26 | gravity | [01:49] < gravity> hahahaha |
| 05:51.26 | gravity | [01:50] < streuner> !bobbitt |
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| 05:51.35 | redblades | I think I might (I don't know how to check) be mixing sarge and etch. |
| 05:51.51 | redblades | All I know is, etch + something else |
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| 05:52.03 | gravity | tAh fuck... totally the wrong buttons |
| 05:52.05 | gravity | Sorry everyone |
| 05:52.09 | redblades | That's a good point, I should find out. but hw |
| 05:52.12 | gravity | I should just quit while I'm behind |
| 05:52.14 | ram_einstein | gravity: don't paste |
| 05:52.24 | streuner | hehe |
| 05:52.37 | dendrite | redblades: Well, then the writing on the wall would be to remove the sarge repositories, and do a dist-upgrade. Or attempt a downgrade to Sarge. |
| 05:52.39 | redblades | ram_einstein, I think you'll find it was an accident |
| 05:52.47 | gravity | I'm still getting used to this whole xterm + screen deal |
| 05:52.49 | iKernel | I'm having server problems. My ip at home must have changed... |
| 05:52.52 | redblades | downgrade??? |
| 05:52.55 | ram_einstein | redblades: yea |
| 05:52.57 | redblades | You can do that? |
| 05:53.04 | redblades | Okay, how? |
| 05:53.18 | stew | !downgrade |
| 05:53.18 | dpkg | downgrade is probably not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
| 05:53.26 | ram_einstein | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, >> a DVD-R is in |
| 05:53.41 | redblades | Perhaps not... |
| 05:53.43 | gravity | Wow... that's probably my first irc paste mess-up in at least two years |
| 05:53.44 | iKernel | Wonder if I can look up an ip and get a list of machines that owned it in the last 3 days but had it changed, and their ips? |
| 05:53.45 | dendrite | redblades: Notice I said "attempt." |
| 05:53.50 | gravity | First significant one anyway |
| 05:53.51 | peterS | ram_einstein: did you try 'mount -t udf' or just let it guess the format? |
| 05:53.53 | redblades | I could just work on getting it to be pure Etch |
| 05:53.55 | stew | gravity: using irssi? |
| 05:53.58 | gravity | stew: Yeah |
| 05:54.07 | gravity | stew: I mis-read the "are you sure you want to paste this?" message |
| 05:54.09 | ram_einstein | peterS: mount -t udf |
| 05:54.15 | redblades | How do I check which version I am running? |
| 05:54.21 | redblades | there must be a way... |
| 05:54.21 | bgilb | when i type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:54.29 | bgilb | it says dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:54.29 | peterS | ram_einstein: then either the disc isn't using the UDF filesystem ... (try -t iso9660) ... or I dunno |
| 05:54.38 | stew | gravity: ahh, ok yeah, i've done that a bunch. ctrl-k means "kill" in so many other contexts |
| 05:54.38 | dendrite | redblades: Look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:54.41 | bgilb | er i mean xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed |
| 05:54.44 | gravity | stew: Exactly :-) |
| 05:55.02 | redblades | iKernel! It's you again! |
| 05:55.24 | ram_einstein | peterS: my bad. It was iso9660 |
| 05:55.48 | peterS | ram_einstein: a UDF filesystem will actually often be a valid iso9660 filesystem as well - a sort of backward compatibility thing. the reverse is not true. |
| 05:56.09 | ram_einstein | peterS: I see |
| 05:56.21 | ram_einstein | I didn't know |
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| 05:56.41 | widrone | Irssi on both debian channels on 2 different networks in a screen, yeah Im truely confused asw. I just keep hitting ctrl and the P button with A mixed in. Packing at them! |
| 05:57.12 | iKernel | redblades, Yes, it is me. So? I have not been banned from Freenode. |
| 05:57.14 | dendrite | widrone: irssi can connect to multiple servers, btw. |
| 05:57.22 | iKernel | just from #fedora and ##linux |
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| 05:57.38 | peterS | ram_einstein: most CD / DVD burner software will let you use either one. UDF is particularly good if you intend to do packet writing, aka "DirectCD", the thing where you can mount your CD-RW and read and write from it freely. (Can't do _that_ in iso-9660) |
| 05:58.03 | bgilb | when i type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i get the error "xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed" |
| 05:58.11 | iKernel | quitte, Halo. Sprache sie Englisch? |
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| 05:58.32 | widrone | dendrite: Not sure if that would lower my confusion, but thanks for the tip. Now at leas I can know that my screen #1 is freenode. But knowing irssi it may even tell me that if I want. Ill stick to naming my screen windows for now. |
| 05:59.13 | dendrite | widrone: If you do it in irssi then the status bar will give you activity in other "windows" ... |
| 05:59.53 | dendrite | widrone: use /connect, not /server... |
| 06:00.01 | ram_einstein | peterS: I see |
| 06:00.56 | ram_einstein | I can't startx :( >> (EE) No devices detected. |
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| 06:02.04 | stew | ram_einstein: what does "lspci | grep VGA" say? which driver are you trying to use? |
| 06:02.06 | iKernel | ram_einstein, Means it can't detect a graphics card installed in your system. |
| 06:02.41 | callee | any idea which filesystem would be best if a partition has to be used for both read and write on Linux and *BSD? |
| 06:02.59 | ram_einstein | stew: nv |
| 06:03.01 | callee | its only about data-partitions, not about / itself |
| 06:03.19 | ram_einstein | iKernel: I know |
| 06:03.33 | streuner | ram_einstein: give us the whole output of lspci |
| 06:03.44 | dendrite | callee: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Linux+FreeBSD.html |
| 06:04.06 | ram_einstein | streuner: one sec |
| 06:04.40 | dendrite | callee: Wow, that's old. Nm. |
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| 06:05.29 | ram_einstein | streuner: please join #flood |
| 06:06.37 | stew | ram_einstein: run update-pciids ; then show us the output of "lspci | grep VGA" |
| 06:06.56 | streuner | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0140 |
| 06:06.57 | callee | dendrite: i do not know if freebsd or openbsd are capable to read ext3/reiserfs, would expect no, but linux ufs support is also very limited atm |
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| 06:07.22 | ram_einstein | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] (rev a2) |
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| 06:07.51 | ram_einstein | streuner && stew: that's right |
| 06:07.54 | dendrite | callee: Yeah, it's a good question you're asking. Note that if you google for sharing w/ Linux and OS X you may find useful hits... |
| 06:08.01 | stew | ram_einstein: what version of debian are you running? |
| 06:08.21 | ram_einstein | stew: 3.1 AMD64 |
| 06:09.39 | ram_einstein | see y'all later |
| 06:10.38 | bgilb | im not sure what im doing. what do i do if the command dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't work? |
| 06:11.40 | stew | bgilb: try "apt-get -f install" and/or "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 06:11.53 | bgilb | okay |
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| 06:12.03 | liable | !xmd5 |
| 06:12.04 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 06:13.05 | streuner | stew: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/59416-nvidia-geforce-6600-debian-amd64.html |
| 06:13.11 | bgilb | says |
| 06:13.14 | bgilb | files are identical |
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| 06:13.37 | redblades | iKernel, I meant "It's you! Hi!" not "What the fsck are you doing here?" |
| 06:13.46 | iKernel | oh |
| 06:13.50 | iKernel | redblades, hi |
| 06:13.54 | redblades | Hey hey |
| 06:14.00 | redblades | how are you? |
| 06:14.03 | iKernel | good |
| 06:14.13 | bgilb | debian:/home/bgilb# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed |
| 06:14.19 | redblades | Lats time I saw you would have been... ##windows |
| 06:14.34 | redblades | I think you were telling me to take out my sound card |
| 06:15.05 | redblades | As it turned out, all that was wrong was that I had not selected the correct driver in windows |
| 06:15.11 | iKernel | redblades, lol |
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| 06:15.39 | redblades | As you can see, I am no longer using windows and only intend to use it when I must |
| 06:16.52 | iKernel | bgilb, Are you having the problem with the nvidia geforce 6600 card where you get a blank X screen when you try to start X with the nvidia driver with this card? |
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| 06:17.14 | bgilb | no :( |
| 06:17.17 | bgilb | sorry :( |
| 06:17.41 | liable | bgilb: did 'apt-get -f install' do anything? |
| 06:17.46 | redblades | Oh and by the way, I have firefox installed, but for some reason it does not appear in the KDE internet menu |
| 06:18.04 | redblades | and if I add a shortcut to it, it has _no icon_! |
| 06:18.12 | redblades | It is annoying me quite a lot |
| 06:18.27 | redblades | I have two questions that may help me solve this issue |
| 06:18.30 | bgilb | it said |
| 06:18.41 | redblades | 1) can I change the icon for a shortcut? |
| 06:18.52 | bgilb | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 06:19.04 | redblades | 2) where does Firefox store the icon it uses? |
| 06:19.27 | liable | bgilb: what does 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' say? |
| 06:19.56 | bgilb | prompts me y/n to install |
| 06:20.05 | bgilb | i use aptitude should that matter? |
| 06:20.34 | liable | just say yes, whats it want to install? |
| 06:20.48 | bgilb | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 06:20.48 | bgilb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.48 | bgilb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.04 | liable | say yes, and let it do its thing |
| 06:21.09 | bgilb | :O how could i get by without those? |
| 06:21.29 | bgilb | Unpacking x-window-system-core (from .../x-window-system-core_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1_i386.deb) ... |
| 06:21.30 | bgilb | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 06:21.30 | bgilb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.00 | bgilb | error code (1) |
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| 06:22.41 | tonsxchat | Ok, so I was attached via ssh to a screen session, accidentally hit C-s, the shell froze, then before I could figure out what to do, the ssh disconnected. When I try screen -d -r or -x in a new ssh, it just hangs. |
| 06:23.29 | hikikomori | mmm |
| 06:23.29 | tonsxchat | any clues how to reconnect it? |
| 06:24.21 | bgilb | any ideas what that error means? |
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| 06:24.58 | tilrman | tonsxchat: screen -dr, then Ctrl-Q |
| 06:25.14 | iKernel | >:( |
| 06:25.19 | liable | bgilb: unusual for a sarge .deb, sec looking in bts |
| 06:25.22 | tonsxchat | tilrman: tried it |
| 06:25.29 | bgilb | okay thanks |
| 06:25.45 | tonsxchat | screen -dr just puts a newline and hangs there |
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| 06:27.12 | liable | bgilb: try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-dri_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1_i386.deb and paste the output to a pastebot |
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| 06:28.13 | castro2006 | it there software i can use to manage my ssh session, imean by name because i have many servers and it is difficult to back to these sessions |
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| 06:29.02 | bgilb | k |
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| 06:29.17 | liable | bgilb: try 'bash -x dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-dri_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1_i386.deb' and paste the output to a pastebot |
| 06:29.26 | liable | bgilb: add the bash -x to the start |
| 06:29.56 | bgilb | ok |
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| 06:30.22 | bgilb | dpkg: /usr/bin/dpkg: cannot execute binary file |
| 06:30.25 | bgilb | with bash - x |
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| 06:30.58 | liable | where did you put the bash -x? |
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| 06:31.26 | bgilb | at the front |
| 06:31.48 | liable | hrm, so you cant. |
| 06:32.19 | bgilb | :O |
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| 06:32.24 | liable | bgilb: okie, paste output from apt-get install xlibmesa-dri |
| 06:32.28 | bgilb | ok |
| 06:33.13 | bgilb | http://rafb.net/paste/results/BLQHaK72.html |
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| 06:35.11 | liable | bgilb: apt-get clean; apt-get update; apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 06:36.57 | bgilb | The following packages have unmet dependencies: x-window-system-core: Depends: xlibmesa-dri but it is not going to be installed |
| 06:37.36 | liable | hrmph |
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| 06:37.45 | zoghome | I have gstreamer 0.8 and 0.10 on my system.. (debian testing) rhythmbox seems to use gstreamer 0.10 but gstreamer-properties refs gstreamer 0.8 - how do i config or use rhythm,box? |
| 06:37.51 | liable | bgilb: paste your sources list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:38.22 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 06:38.37 | bgilb | ok |
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| 06:39.32 | bgilb | http://rafb.net/paste/results/QnnwEy13.html |
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| 06:40.35 | liable | bgilb: comment the .edu sources for me and try another update |
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| 06:42.11 | bgilb | how do i let gedit let me edit the file? |
| 06:42.35 | liable | bgilb: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:42.42 | tonsxchat | so there is no way to reattach to that screen and I will lose everything in it? |
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| 06:43.32 | bgilb | do i use // to comment out or a # |
| 06:43.39 | tilrman | tonsxchat: sounds like a screen bug |
| 06:43.41 | liable | # |
| 06:44.08 | dominicano | !seen dvm1981 |
| 06:44.08 | dpkg | dvm1981 <n=evaded@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 57d 52m 51s ago, saying: 'So can i talk french here :-)'. |
| 06:44.25 | dominicano | hi all |
| 06:45.08 | tonsofpcs | I figured it out!!!! |
| 06:45.10 | tonsofpcs | :D the ^s was grabbed by the sshd, I killed the instance and it let me reattach ;) |
| 06:45.20 | dominicano | I have only one partition, "hda2" i wish change the name just to "hda" |
| 06:45.50 | formorer | no |
| 06:45.53 | bgilb | liable, thank you very much it worked :D |
| 06:46.00 | bgilb | what did editing out the .edu's do? |
| 06:46.02 | liable | bgilb: cool |
| 06:46.03 | formorer | you can wish, but its not possible |
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| 06:46.43 | liable | bgilb: looks like a messed up mirror, usually pays to use official ones, even though yuo might get free bandwidth from other ones. |
| 06:46.44 | dominicano | I have only one partition, "hda2" i wish change the name just to "hda1".. sorry |
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| 06:46.57 | dominicano | I have only one partition, "hda2" i wish change the name just to "hda1".. how can i do this_? |
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| 06:47.05 | formorer | no, you can't |
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| 06:47.47 | dominicano | formorer, ok thanks! |
| 06:47.53 | formorer | nop |
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| 06:51.53 | unix_infidel | what's a great gui partitioning and format program? |
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| 06:52.35 | KimmoA | How come that when I type "shutdown -P now", it doesn't actually shut off the power, but asks for the root password for "maintenance"?! |
| 06:52.40 | liable | unix_infidel: cfdisk is curses but nice, for real gui, i guess qtparted or similar |
| 06:53.14 | unix_infidel | KimmoA: try shutdown -h now |
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| 06:53.18 | unix_infidel | and add that command to sudoers. |
| 06:53.21 | KimmoA | Hmm... |
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| 06:53.26 | KimmoA | Hehe. Having problems shutting down the box... :S :) |
| 06:53.41 | unix_infidel | halt or shutdown -h now |
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| 06:53.47 | cahoot | KimmoA: maybe you *need* check the fs? |
| 06:53.48 | KimmoA | FreeBSD would shut off the power at "shutdown -p now". |
| 06:54.00 | bgilb | yay im now in 1024x768 :D |
| 06:54.08 | unix_infidel | liable: thanks. |
| 06:54.14 | unix_infidel | KimmoA: take note. |
| 06:54.17 | unix_infidel | this is NOT bsd unix :P |
| 06:54.22 | KimmoA | ;S |
| 06:54.30 | liable | P is still relevent though |
| 06:54.35 | KimmoA | I noticed when I couldn't Page Up/Page Down manpages. :S |
| 06:54.36 | unix_infidel | Song of the Week - Rob D - Clubbed to Death |
| 06:54.39 | unix_infidel | w00t :) |
| 06:55.08 | KimmoA | Spacebar seems to jump down a lot, though. |
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| 07:00.05 | c0_bT | hallo |
| 07:00.07 | Presently42 | Hallo fellow Debianers. I've got Sid, and gcc / cpp 4.0 and 4.1. using amarok-svn.sh, it fails to compile saying that configure: error: C++ processor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check. Any clues? The Amarok list told me to ask here. |
| 07:00.29 | DaB|ade | Presently42: Your computer needs a therapist. :) |
| 07:00.49 | DaB|ade | Presently42: (Sorry, I don't know) |
| 07:01.02 | Presently42 | Know any cheap ones? |
| 07:01.34 | Presently42 | DaBlade: is there a -dev I should know about? |
| 07:01.42 | cahoot | Presently42: build-essential is installed? |
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| 07:03.07 | Presently42 | cahoot: O. Woops. I'm still setting up this new ext3 partition with Debian. |
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| 07:03.49 | KimmoA | I found it relieving that Debian suggested me to put everything on the / partition. :) |
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| 07:04.12 | KimmoA | I found /var filling up when I had it on its own partition. |
| 07:04.38 | KimmoA | Now you're gonna say that it's evil and stuff... |
| 07:04.47 | Presently42 | cahoot: Thanks. That did it. |
| 07:04.57 | TraceGreen | can i use zcat to see tar.bz2 file? |
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| 07:05.28 | cahoot | TraceGreen: bzcat? |
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| 07:06.28 | Presently42 | Good-morning. |
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| 07:06.52 | TraceGreen | cahoot, thanks. |
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| 07:07.51 | brosioz | i've download apt-get source openssh now how can i apply the pathc inside *.diff.gz ? |
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| 07:08.15 | fisrado | can anyone help me with installing mysql |
| 07:08.20 | azeem | brosioz: if you issue `apt-get source openssh', the patch will get applied for you automatically |
| 07:08.26 | KimmoA | ... or I guess you won't say anything. :S |
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| 07:08.50 | brosioz | azeem: are u sure ? |
| 07:08.54 | azeem | brosioz: yes |
| 07:09.07 | brosioz | while i'm compiling openssh i don't see support of md5 |
| 07:09.12 | brosioz | and that's is strange... |
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| 07:09.16 | brosioz | or not ? |
| 07:09.25 | DragonD | For some reason vlc won't transcode for me... i'm tring to stream any suggestions for an alternative? |
| 07:09.29 | azeem | brosioz: did you install all the required build-depends? |
| 07:09.43 | sid | Where can I get the latest copy of debootstrap in rpm(fedora/rhel/centos) |
| 07:09.52 | brosioz | i've install apt-get build-dep openssh-server |
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| 07:10.21 | azeem | brosioz: maybe more patches are applied during the Debian .deb building process, look for a debia/patches directory |
| 07:10.33 | brosioz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.33 | brosioz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.47 | brosioz | if i don't have md5 support |
| 07:10.55 | brosioz | i suppose that i can't login to the pc |
| 07:10.59 | brosioz | i suppose... |
| 07:11.24 | azeem | brosioz: that seems to be the standard for Debian |
| 07:11.32 | azeem | (no MD5 password support) |
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| 07:12.55 | brosioz | azeem: sure ? |
| 07:13.15 | azeem | brosioz: yes |
| 07:13.24 | brosioz | so i'll try |
| 07:13.27 | brosioz | anyway thx |
| 07:13.49 | azeem | at least the build logs of the autobuilders also have `MD5 password support: no' in them |
| 07:14.12 | stew | brosioz: "/msg dpkg debian/rules" you'll have to add it to the ./configure lines |
| 07:14.39 | stew | (if you want it, that is) |
| 07:15.01 | brosioz | thx |
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| 07:15.17 | brosioz | with the file.diff |
| 07:15.32 | brosioz | patch < file.diff in the sshserver directory |
| 07:15.38 | brosioz | to apply the patch ? |
| 07:15.39 | Gokee2 | hmm After installing testing debian it had a few problems booting up. Setting up grub wrong giving itself the wrong hd for init... But I got it booted up aftert a few tries, however it seems to have forgot it is newly installed and did not run the setup... Whats the command for the setup program? |
| 07:16.04 | azeem | brosioz: read the patch manual |
| 07:16.22 | azeem | there's too many variables in applying patches to recommend one command over IRC |
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| 07:17.23 | azeem | Gokee2: testing doesn't have a post-reboot setup anymore, all is fine |
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| 07:17.46 | azeem | Gokee2: run tasksel/aptitude to install the packages you want |
| 07:17.58 | Gokee2 | azeem, Ah... |
| 07:18.24 | azeem | (this feature brought to you by Ubuntu) |
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| 07:20.57 | Gokee2 | hmm.. little things like setup the network for you I think. |
| 07:21.22 | azeem | that should've been done by the installer, no? |
| 07:21.44 | Gokee2 | hmmm, your right. *kicks the installer* |
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| 07:22.29 | brosioz | dh_shlibdeps: Compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated. |
| 07:22.37 | brosioz | anyone could explain me that |
| 07:22.43 | brosioz | it's a problem ? |
| 07:22.48 | UnshakableSpirit | necesito urgenetemente un responsable tecnico en administración Debian, ¿alguien escucha ofertas? |
| 07:23.00 | formorer | brosioz: its a problem if you are the packager |
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| 07:24.44 | mithro_ | how can I setup a user who is able to read every file on the system (like root) but unable to change any of them? |
| 07:25.10 | formorer | mithro: you can't without acls |
| 07:25.47 | formorer | mithro: in a other system I used a chroot with read only mounted nfs shares, that worked too |
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| 07:32.04 | mithro | formorer: damn :/ |
| 07:32.18 | mithro | i want to backup the a computer completely |
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| 07:32.38 | mithro | but don't want to give the backing up computer write access to the host |
| 07:33.14 | formorer | mithro: lvm snapshot |
| 07:34.00 | mithro | formorer: that doesn't really work for numerous reasons |
| 07:34.39 | mithro | (IE I'm not using lvm, i want to backup to a remote machine, I want to be able to access the files seperate, only transfer changes, etc) |
| 07:35.17 | formorer | mithro: then a nfs read only mount should work... |
| 07:35.40 | mithro | nfs is evil :) |
| 07:36.00 | mithro | i've been hacked twice, and both times it was via NFS |
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| 07:36.52 | formorer | mithro: it would be a localhost only mount |
| 07:37.07 | mithro | btw, does dpkg provide a way to see if any of the files it manages have been changed? |
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| 07:37.41 | stew | mithro: apt-cache show debsums |
| 07:37.49 | snowrichard | testing seems to have undergone some major changes. I'm still updating. |
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| 07:38.00 | Gokee2 | grrrrrr debian keeps setting itself up is grub on hd2,1 when it fact its on hd0,1.... Any ideas? |
| 07:39.05 | Gokee2 | It got confused during setup.... its annoying to have to boot knoppix and fix grub again... I thought it would fix itself once it was booted |
| 07:39.47 | snowrichard | I ended up installing grub on both drives... not the best solution |
| 07:40.50 | Gokee2 | hmm |
| 07:41.02 | Gokee2 | I have never had this tyoe of problem before |
| 07:41.07 | snowrichard | you should be able to boot the debian installer in repair mode |
| 07:41.20 | redblades | So, is it possible to change the icon of a shortcut? |
| 07:41.27 | snowrichard | re-install the grub on the correct drive |
| 07:41.41 | Gokee2 | snowrichard, grub is on the right drive |
| 07:41.50 | Gokee2 | its installed on hd0 |
| 07:41.57 | Gokee2 | master boot record |
| 07:42.01 | snowrichard | but deb thinks its on hd2? |
| 07:42.10 | Gokee2 | right |
| 07:43.14 | Gokee2 | so when I instaled a new kernel debian changed my hand edited grub menu to boot it on hd2,1 now I am in knoppix chaning it back to hd0,1 |
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| 07:44.07 | snowrichard | I don't yet know if I'll have xorg after this set of instlals |
| 07:44.26 | snowrichard | it removed a bunch of stuff |
| 07:44.36 | Vasistha | redblades: it ought to be possible, depends on your de, but try rightlick > properties |
| 07:45.09 | Vasistha | snowrichard: is it possible you did a mapping and have not yet unmapped? |
| 07:45.34 | snowrichard | Vasistha Gokee2 has the problem |
| 07:45.53 | snowrichard | I have 1 drive here, its fine |
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| 07:45.59 | redblades | Vasistha, tried that doesn't work |
| 07:46.00 | liable | redblades: sure, dunno how gnome does it though, icons are in /usr/share/pixmaps/ |
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| 07:46.19 | redblades | I use KDE |
| 07:46.34 | liable | dunno how kde does it either :P |
| 07:46.49 | I4NI | what do you use then liable? |
| 07:46.50 | Gokee2 | Vasistha, Whats a "mapping"? |
| 07:47.06 | snowrichard | changes the drives order |
| 07:47.10 | redblades | I want to use firefox, but for some reason, when I add a link to it, it has no icon |
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| 07:48.06 | snowrichard | ok now installing xorg --- |
| 07:48.09 | snowrichard | wait some more ;) |
| 07:48.11 | Vasistha | Gokee2: it's a trick grub does to make one partition look like another one, so for example, "/dev/hda1" actually points to "/dev/hda2" due to a trick in the bios ... or something like that. Particularly useful for putting windows on a partition other than /dev/hda1 |
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| 07:48.43 | Gokee2 | Vasistha, Hmm I have never done that |
| 07:48.52 | Vasistha | Gokee2: It's weird to imagine that a mapping could "appear" if you didn't previously do one intentionally ... but on the subject, I have seen "relics" from mapping when I didn't do an unmap |
| 07:49.07 | redblades | YAY!!! THANKYOU THANKYOU! |
| 07:49.08 | Vasistha | Gokee2: anyway, probably not your issue |
| 07:49.12 | Arafangion | Is there an unofficial "latest, nearly bleeding edge kde" for Sarge? |
| 07:49.30 | redblades | I did it! (well you actually told me most of what i needed and then I did it!) |
| 07:49.31 | Vasistha | Arafangion: checked backports? |
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| 07:49.44 | snowrichard | installing wifimanager I don't even have wifi on this machine |
| 07:49.51 | redblades | liable, Vasistha Thanks guys |
| 07:50.04 | Arafangion | Vasistha: I've looked there, but I wasn't sure how recent it was. Debian's kde makes version tracking very difficult. |
| 07:50.16 | Vasistha | redblades: you're welcome... yeah, I dunno what's up with firefox, why it doesn't get the nice icon |
| 07:50.29 | Arafangion | Vasistha: So, if there were an unoffical kde build, I would rather try that first, if they purported to be up-to-date |
| 07:50.34 | redblades | It does now |
| 07:50.45 | redblades | I just didn't know how to change it! |
| 07:51.04 | redblades | But... WOW!! there is a new Firefox out! |
| 07:51.07 | mithro | do most packages come with checksums these days? |
| 07:51.13 | Vasistha | Arafangion: kde is so huge though, and has so many dependencies, I don't know if it's really practical to backport it. Anyway, if I were you, I wouldn't touch it unless it's at backports.org |
| 07:51.31 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Ok, I'll try the backports version, then. |
| 07:51.37 | KimmoA | If they had invented global air tubes for physical transportion, like I wanted, I wouldn't have to wait for ages for my hardware to arrive. >:@ |
| 07:51.41 | redblades | Uhhh... how do I update to the very latest firefox? |
| 07:51.49 | Arafangion | redblades: For sarge? |
| 07:51.50 | I4NI | Gokee2 why not just lvm the 4 drives? |
| 07:51.57 | redblades | Arafangion, Etch |
| 07:52.03 | Gokee2 | I4NI, lvm? |
| 07:52.06 | snowrichard | xorg is installing driver for every known video card I think lol ;) |
| 07:52.07 | Vasistha | Arafangion: the thing is, kde developers (as most developers) tend to use the most recent c libraries, and link to them. With debian stable you have an "old" libc -- and it is a lot of work to "backport" code -- that is, to make, e.g., newer kde apps work with an older libc |
| 07:52.09 | Arafangion | redblades: Backport it yourself. :) |
| 07:52.14 | redblades | How? |
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| 07:52.23 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Hmm, I'll upgrade to testing then. |
| 07:52.50 | redblades | Arafangion, HOW? |
| 07:52.59 | redblades | Oops, caps |
| 07:53.01 | I4NI | Gokee2: lvm = logical volume manager, can mesh all 4 drives into one |
| 07:53.14 | Vasistha | redblades: connect to an experimental repo? |
| 07:53.16 | Arafangion | redblades: I'm sure there is a howto out there. |
| 07:53.20 | Gokee2 | I4NI, hmmm sounds like a lot of work |
| 07:53.34 | Arafangion | redblades: Alternatively, you can just install the linux version of firefox. |
| 07:53.36 | redblades | Hmm... could I not just download it |
| 07:53.39 | redblades | ? |
| 07:53.42 | Arafangion | redblades: As a user. |
| 07:53.45 | redblades | yeah |
| 07:53.53 | redblades | is it the usual make make install? |
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| 07:54.02 | Arafangion | redblades: I was refering to the binary version. |
| 07:54.07 | Vasistha | Arafangion: if it's that important to you... yup. |
| 07:54.14 | I4NI | Gokee2: its not too bad |
| 07:54.32 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Not really, but this is a development/desktop machine, and etch can't be that unstable. |
| 07:54.34 | I4NI | but if one drive fails you lose the whole array, so you might not want to do it |
| 07:54.44 | Gokee2 | haha no I don`t |
| 07:55.03 | snowrichard | it reinstalled Xorg but didn't fix the X symlink because dselect had "customized" it to /bin/true |
| 07:55.13 | Gokee2 | I *might* think about making a raid arrey with two of the drives |
| 07:55.13 | I4NI | I lvm raid5 arrays, thats pretty safe |
| 07:55.24 | Vasistha | # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST |
| 07:55.26 | Vasistha | Gokee2: what I usually do is... put my boot options before debian's area, and then just use those: |
| 07:55.31 | Vasistha | whoa, that was weird |
| 07:55.33 | redblades | Arafangion, where do I get that? |
| 07:55.47 | Arafangion | redblades: Have a guess. |
| 07:56.11 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Once upon a time, I ran Sid, so I know how to deal with the unlikely event of a failure. |
| 07:56.14 | redblades | the debian site? |
| 07:56.15 | Vasistha | Arafangion: well, I see people in here most every day having some kind of trouble with an etch packaging incompatibility |
| 07:56.15 | snowrichard | brb going to reboot and see if Xorg works |
| 07:56.25 | Vasistha | Arafangion: heh, okay, you need no such warning :-) |
| 07:57.01 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Heh. :) |
| 07:57.12 | Gokee2 | Debian thinks its on hde2... |
| 07:57.25 | Arafangion | Vasistha: One learns alot when one runs Sid for 6 months without a single update, then updates smack bang in the middle of the Qt4 and Gcc 4 transition :) |
| 07:57.31 | Vasistha | Gokee2: I thought you had four drives, not five... |
| 07:57.44 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Then downgrades a Sid server (successfully) to Sarge :) |
| 07:57.50 | Vasistha | Arafangion: ugh, that sounds awful, as does not updating sid for 6 months |
| 07:57.51 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Different machines. |
| 07:57.56 | I4NI | Gokee2: is the instaler instaling grub on the primary master? |
| 07:58.11 | Arafangion | Vasistha: I could use it, but every C++ program was borked. |
| 07:58.22 | Arafangion | Vasistha: So I wiped the system and went to Sarge. |
| 07:58.45 | Arafangion | Vasistha: Sometimes, it's just not worth a downgrade, easier to just reinstall. |
| 07:58.48 | Vasistha | new kde? I can wait. 6 months? no big deal. |
| 07:59.14 | Vasistha | bed time ... g'night all |
| 07:59.41 | redblades | night night |
| 07:59.43 | redblades | : ) |
| 07:59.47 | Gokee2 | I4NI, Yes it is |
| 08:00.08 | Arafangion | G'night Vasistha :) |
| 08:00.15 | Gokee2 | Vasistha, 4 hd`s 1 cdrom 1 dvd drive 1 dvd writter |
| 08:00.27 | I4NI | and you dont want it on your primary master? |
| 08:00.44 | Gokee2 | I4NI, No I like it there |
| 08:00.50 | Gokee2 | its installed in the right place |
| 08:01.01 | Gokee2 | it thinks its installed in a diffrent place. |
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| 08:01.23 | Gokee2 | however it needs to know its on hda2 in fstab |
| 08:01.53 | I4NI | oh I see |
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| 08:02.53 | hazor | good evening. |
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| 08:05.25 | Gokee2 | I4NI, anyway I am going to go take a shower bbl |
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| 08:06.35 | I4NI | Im looking through my files to see, havent had this problem before |
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| 08:11.54 | ram_einstein | I'm unable to startx: (EE) No devices detected. |
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| 08:12.02 | azeem | ram_einstein: look for other EE above |
| 08:12.30 | ram_einstein | azeem: none |
| 08:12.35 | ipadd | i am connected to the Internet through a wlan. the internal IP addr is always 192.168.x.x. how to know what is the external IP addr? |
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| 08:14.05 | ram_einstein | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] (rev a2) >> my vidcard |
| 08:14.12 | streuner | ram_: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/59416-nvidia-geforce-6600-debian-amd64.html |
| 08:14.30 | ram_einstein | streuner: thanks! |
| 08:14.45 | KimmoA | Isn't there some way to display "notes" for packages, such as where their config file is, and where their "data dir" is located? |
| 08:14.57 | KimmoA | (I am scratching my head after installing Apache 2 at Debian.) |
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| 08:15.21 | dondelelcaro | KimmoA: dpkg -L foopkg; or see /usr/share/doc/<foopkg>/* |
| 08:15.38 | dondelelcaro | KimmoA: most packages have a README.Debian that describes things like that if the manpages don't already describe it. |
| 08:16.00 | KimmoA | Hmm... |
| 08:16.05 | dondelelcaro | KimmoA: in apache2's case, the defaults are set in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default (and to a lesser extent, /etc/apache2/apache.conf) |
| 08:17.03 | KimmoA | Is it generally OK to rely on Debian's system for updating/patching? No matter how long in between? |
| 08:17.22 | KimmoA | In FreeBSD, I barely dared to upgrade anything ever due to things messing up every time. |
| 08:18.51 | dondelelcaro | KimmoA: yes. Indeed, that's really the only way to fly. |
| 08:19.09 | KimmoA | Sounds too good to be ture. |
| 08:19.12 | KimmoA | s/ture/true/ |
| 08:19.27 | KimmoA | I mean... what if there are changes to the config file in later versions of Apache? |
| 08:19.30 | KimmoA | How can it keep my old settings? |
| 08:19.31 | dondelelcaro | KimmoA: we typically only support upgrades from one stable version to the next; but since those are widly spaced, it's fairly trivial. |
| 08:19.51 | dondelelcaro | KimmoA: local administrator changes are sancrosant. They must be preserved. |
| 08:19.59 | KimmoA | Hmm... |
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| 08:20.14 | dondelelcaro | KimmoA: it'll prompt you with the changes, and you can decide what you want to do. You can either keep your changes, apply the maintainer's changes, or examine the differences. |
| 08:20.24 | KimmoA | All I ever wanted was a stable system. :( |
| 08:20.45 | dondelelcaro | KimmoA: in the case of apache, if you use the sites system, you won't ever have to change anything there, so you won't ever be prompted for anything. |
| 08:21.00 | dondelelcaro | KimmoA: then you use stable; the only thing that changes there is security updates. |
| 08:21.20 | KimmoA | It seems very nice so far. |
| 08:21.41 | dondelelcaro | it basically is the best as far as running mission critical servers go... |
| 08:21.51 | KimmoA | ^_^ |
| 08:21.56 | KimmoA | Then I made the right choice... |
| 08:22.10 | KimmoA | What drove me away from Linux was all the damn distros. |
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| 08:22.27 | KimmoA | But now FreeBSD won't support my (standard) hardware, so I had no choice to switch. Perhaps it was for the best... |
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| 08:24.19 | ram_einstein | I don't like generic kernels. Where should I download the source and start making my own custom kernels? |
| 08:24.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell ram_einstein -about kp |
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| 08:25.26 | ram_einstein | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 08:28.32 | debian | KimmoA: that's to say you'd leave me again when FreeBSD support your hw again? |
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| 08:29.20 | sid | How do I save in emacs and quit? |
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| 08:29.56 | cat | man xemacs |
| 08:30.17 | Gokee2 | hmmm |
| 08:30.36 | jetscreamer | !tell siliv -about root |
| 08:30.50 | I4NI | Gokee2: I think grub needs to boot from hda1 |
| 08:30.59 | Gokee2 | can`t start xserver because of no core mouse. It seems I don`t have /dev/input.. Anyone know why? |
| 08:31.06 | Gokee2 | I4NI, heh it is |
| 08:31.06 | jetscreamer | grub doesn't care |
| 08:31.19 | jetscreamer | try modprobe psmouse |
| 08:31.24 | I4NI | didnt you say you wanted it pointing at hda2? Im confused |
| 08:31.43 | jetscreamer | you can try /dev/psaux also if it's a ps2 mouse |
| 08:31.50 | jetscreamer | in xorg.conf |
| 08:32.00 | Gokee2 | I4NI, Yes it points to hda2 |
| 08:32.11 | Gokee2 | But it runs from the MBR |
| 08:32.38 | jetscreamer | you can put it in the mbr or on the partition |
| 08:32.44 | jetscreamer | it doesn't care |
| 08:33.01 | Gokee2 | jetscreamer, psmouse is loaded (checked lsmod) no /dev/psaux |
| 08:33.22 | jetscreamer | try modprobe mousedev btw what kind of mouse |
| 08:33.29 | Gokee2 | and seeing I have udev... I should have /dev/input? |
| 08:33.39 | Gokee2 | jetscreamer, ps2 |
| 08:34.00 | jetscreamer | one day i'll have to master udev. but not today. |
| 08:35.05 | Gokee2 | jetscreamer, mousedev did it! Thanks |
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| 08:35.40 | jetscreamer | Gokee2: put mousedev in /etc/modules so it gets loaded on_boot |
| 08:35.42 | siliv | Thanks for the advice about root :p |
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| 08:35.52 | jetscreamer | np |
| 08:35.55 | jpinto | Does anyone know how to use lynx with a password, but without username ? (username='') ? |
| 08:35.56 | Gokee2 | jetscreamer, Now it has a problem with fonts, is there a font pkg I missed? |
| 08:36.07 | siliv | so now... how can I install postfixadmin on a debian sarge amd64? :p |
| 08:36.10 | jetscreamer | Gokee2: the fonts are an ignorable error |
| 08:36.21 | jetscreamer | but you fix the paths in xorg.conf |
| 08:36.56 | Gokee2 | jetscreamer, How do i fix them? |
| 08:37.12 | jetscreamer | not sure (by putting the correct paths) |
| 08:37.35 | jetscreamer | mine looks like http://linux.hfds.com/debian_files/xorg.conf |
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| 08:37.56 | Gokee2 | jetscreamer, ah cool thanks |
| 08:38.12 | jetscreamer | it's a sid one |
| 08:38.40 | jetscreamer | i'm sure i'm missing some |
| 08:40.31 | Gokee2 | jetscreamer, My fonts are mostly the same as yours.... You sure I don`t need a font pack? |
| 08:40.57 | jetscreamer | Gokee2: you might, i'm not a font guy though |
| 08:41.06 | ecx | moin |
| 08:41.10 | Gokee2 | come to think of it I could have missed a main xserver pkg |
| 08:41.14 | jetscreamer | i mostly installed font* |
| 08:41.20 | jetscreamer | but not really * |
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| 08:42.01 | ram_einstein | I have "nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller". What modules do I need to load to get alsa up? |
| 08:42.40 | ram_einstein | I'm presently using a gen kernel |
| 08:42.44 | Gokee2 | jetscreamer, I need xserver-xorg and what else.... there is one I am forgetting? |
| 08:43.32 | ram_einstein | Gokee2: get x-window-system |
| 08:43.47 | jetscreamer | Gokee2: i usually get x-window-system, it's a good metapackage but some ppl don't like xdm getting installed |
| 08:43.58 | jetscreamer | Gokee2: -core |
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| 08:45.02 | Gokee2 | jetscreamer, Thats it I missed the core |
| 08:45.09 | Gokee2 | I don`t like xdm |
| 08:45.23 | jetscreamer | Gokee2: i don't either, i just don't use it |
| 08:45.29 | Gokee2 | I like starting my own xserver |
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| 08:45.34 | ram_einstein | how do I control initscripts in Debian |
| 08:45.38 | ram_einstein | ? |
| 08:45.46 | jetscreamer | !runlevel |
| 08:45.47 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels. note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. |
| 08:45.50 | jetscreamer | err |
| 08:45.59 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 08:46.03 | jetscreamer | there's a factoid |
| 08:46.37 | Gokee2 | Now I forgot kde? I was sure I had installed kde.... |
| 08:46.41 | ram_einstein | that's useless for what I want to know |
| 08:47.35 | jetscreamer | i mean a different factoid |
| 08:47.36 | Gokee2 | ram_einstein, I made a script start at bootup once... took me hours to make it work and I forgot how I did it. |
| 08:47.48 | jetscreamer | !sysvinit |
| 08:47.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, sysvinit is zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
| 08:47.53 | jetscreamer | that isn't it either |
| 08:47.55 | ram_einstein | Gokee2: lol |
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| 08:48.12 | jetscreamer | !rc-conf |
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| 08:48.19 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 08:48.26 | ram_einstein | :( |
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| 08:49.07 | ram_einstein | gentoo had a program called rc-update |
| 08:49.11 | mehere | what package should be reconfigured to manage network connections? |
| 08:49.55 | Gokee2 | brrr its cold in here... I guess thats what I have for having a old fernus blower , 3 fair size fans, and two computer fans blowing air from the outside in and from the inside out |
| 08:50.29 | Gokee2 | (I was using epoxy and other nasty smelling glues) |
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| 08:51.25 | deadcat | ram_einstein: update-rc.d |
| 08:53.32 | Gokee2 | YES! kde is up and running! Now I can go to bed! |
| 08:53.49 | Gokee2 | Night all, thanks for your help jetscreamer |
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| 08:55.20 | ram_einstein | tnhantohu |
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| 09:03.30 | setcode | hello |
| 09:04.20 | ootput | hmm, does this page render poorly for anyone else? I'm getting black diamonds (with white question marks) in between words: http://www.fuw.edu.pl/~jt/cdvfy/ |
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| 09:05.28 | liable | ootput: good here |
| 09:05.32 | Azuos001 | I am trying to compile wpa_supplicant and I am getting errors with typedefs.h. I searched it at my system and I could not find it. I installed some glibc's packages but I am still getting the same. Which package would I install? |
| 09:05.57 | ootput | ah, appears to be my utf8 encoding in fx |
| 09:06.38 | liable | !+find typedefs.h |
| 09:06.40 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:06.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'typedefs.h' (6 of 18): (/usr/include/nvu/java/typedefs.h) in devel/nvu-dev ;; (/usr/include/abz/typedefs.h) in libdevel/libabz0-dev ;; (/usr/include/gromacs/typedefs.h) in devel/gromacs-dev ;; (/usr/include/smapi/typedefs.h) in libdevel/libsmapi-dev ;; (/usr/include/mozilla/java/typedefs.h) in devel/mozilla-dev ;; (/usr/include/config/typedefs.h) in libdevel/libconfig0-dev. |
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| 09:07.31 | liable | hrm, none of those |
| 09:07.37 | Maulkin | libconfig0-dev ? |
| 09:07.45 | Maulkin | Ahh, no. |
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| 09:07.59 | ram_einstein | On gentoo, I burnt a DVD-R using growisofs. I can't even mount it here! |
| 09:08.00 | ram_einstein | end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 8 |
| 09:08.01 | ram_einstein | Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 1 |
| 09:08.01 | ram_einstein | -hdc: tray open |
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| 09:08.07 | liable | Azuos001: try apt-file |
| 09:08.18 | Maulkin | Azuos001: !tell ram_einstein about paste |
| 09:08.20 | azeem | Azuos001: it's like a kernel header |
| 09:08.22 | Maulkin | gah |
| 09:08.22 | azeem | likely |
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| 09:08.26 | Maulkin | !tell ram_einstein about paste |
| 09:08.47 | ram_einstein | Maulkin: sorry |
| 09:09.01 | Maulkin | Azuos001: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=typedefs.h&searchmode=searchfiles |
| 09:09.30 | ram_einstein | I thought <= 3 lines was fine |
| 09:09.31 | liable | Azuos001: azeem wins, kernel-headers i would say. |
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| 09:09.42 | azeem | usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2/include/sound/typedefs.h devel/linux-headers-2.6.16-2 |
| 09:09.45 | azeem | that's unstable |
| 09:09.53 | azeem | ram_einstein: you did 4 |
| 09:10.11 | azeem | ram_einstein: debhelper can't destinguish between typed-in and pasted lines, you pasted your three lines too quickly |
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| 09:10.40 | ram_einstein | azeem: Right |
| 09:10.42 | ram_einstein | end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 8; Buffer I/O error on device |
| 09:10.45 | ram_einstein | hdc, logical block 1; -hdc: tray open |
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| 09:11.12 | azeem | sounds like a kernel/BIOS/CD issue, dunno |
| 09:11.18 | Maulkin | ram_einstein: Sounds like a CD issue |
| 09:11.20 | RvGaTe | How can i see a list of all the users available on the system? |
| 09:11.34 | azeem | RvGaTe: getent passwd |
| 09:11.44 | ram_einstein | Maulkin: it's a dvd |
| 09:12.12 | ram_einstein | and it worked fine on gentoo |
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| 09:12.36 | ram_einstein | azeem: ... which? |
| 09:12.47 | azeem | dunno |
| 09:13.53 | ram_einstein | mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc dvd >> worked a while back |
| 09:14.17 | ram_einstein | now nothing works |
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| 09:15.18 | RvGaTe | thx azeem |
| 09:15.21 | ram_einstein | and it's taking awfully long |
| 09:16.03 | ram_einstein | distribution's libc development package installed and that 'cc' is a valid C |
| 09:16.07 | ram_einstein | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:16.30 | ram_einstein | ^^ that was nVidia |
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| 09:17.30 | ram_einstein | isn't cc symlinked to gcc? |
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| 09:18.00 | ktwilight | i get an error message when i configure defoma. Can't exec "/usr/bin/mkcfm": Too many levels of symbolic links at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/x-ttcidfont-conf.defoma line 791. |
| 09:18.05 | ktwilight | can anyone please help me? |
| 09:18.09 | ktwilight | serach gives no results :/ |
| 09:19.47 | Maulkin | ktwilight: Can you paste "ls -l /usr/bin/mkcfm" please? |
| 09:20.36 | ktwilight | /usr/bin/mkcfm -> /usr/X11R6/bin/mkcfm |
| 09:21.04 | ktwilight | then i do... ls: /usr/X11R6/bin/mkcfm: Too many levels of symbolic links |
| 09:23.18 | Maulkin | Is that when you try "ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/mkcfm" ? |
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| 09:23.42 | ktwilight | yes |
| 09:23.57 | ktwilight | uh, no. |
| 09:24.07 | ktwilight | i just did ls /usr/X11R6/bin/mkcfm |
| 09:24.13 | ktwilight | -l shows nothing |
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| 09:27.42 | Maulkin | ktwilight: Try 'apt-get install xutils' |
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| 09:27.55 | SpooForBrains | wow, big channel! Morning all |
| 09:28.23 | DimmuR | what is the name of tool that creates xorg.conf file? |
| 09:28.43 | ktwilight | it's installed Maulkin :) |
| 09:28.49 | SpooForBrains | Could someone help me out with a very simple question. Am using apt to deploy a particular piece of software, and before I run apt-get update and hose everything, can someone tell me what that command does? :) |
| 09:28.50 | ktwilight | !rxx |
| 09:28.51 | ktwilight | !drxx |
| 09:28.52 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 09:29.02 | Maulkin | ktwilight: should be working now then. |
| 09:29.05 | ktwilight | that's it DimmuR |
| 09:29.13 | ktwilight | well, it's not Maulkin :/ |
| 09:29.24 | ktwilight | i've also did a reconfigure and reinstall. nothing. |
| 09:29.31 | ktwilight | could it be the fonts that i have? |
| 09:29.36 | Maulkin | ktwilight: Try reinsta^W^W. Oh |
| 09:29.41 | DimmuR | ktwilight: thx i tought it can be something like fglrxconfig for ati cards :) |
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| 09:30.00 | ktwilight | oh, have no idea 'bout ati cards DimmuR. but that's for reconfiguring xorg :) |
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| 09:30.29 | wishie | i have a 37" LCD display, that apparently can go 1920x1080p @ 72 hertz. there are forum posts that list quite a few details on how to get this working on windows, but i cant for the life of me get that resolution (or anything above 1280x768) in linux.. are there any X11 timing gurus around that might be able to help me ? |
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| 09:30.41 | ktwilight | Maulkin, i have a mixture of chinese, japanese and korean fonts. all under ttf and x-fonts. that may be the problem. since i didn't see any issue with it before. |
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| 09:32.20 | Maulkin | SpooForBrains: Erm... which command? |
| 09:32.34 | SpooForBrains | apt-get update |
| 09:32.34 | ktwilight | wishie, ya should check with your graphics card's docs 'bout configuring xorg.conf i've read somewhere that ExactModeTimingsDVI can have an effect on it. |
| 09:33.03 | Maulkin | !+find mkcfm |
| 09:33.05 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:33.20 | Maulkin | SpooForBrains: 'man apt-get' should tell you |
| 09:33.21 | ram_einstein | how do I build my own custom kernel again? lost the factoid |
| 09:33.23 | SpooForBrains | I have never used apt before, and am completely clueless as to how it operates. I primarliy use SuSE, which uses RPM, hence my cluelessness. |
| 09:33.29 | SpooForBrains | Maulkin: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 09:33.45 | wishie | ktwilight: is ExactModeTimingDVI a new option in Xorg ? |
| 09:33.58 | ram_einstein | !km |
| 09:33.58 | dpkg | i heard km is Comoros |
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| 09:34.12 | ktwilight | am not sure wishie. are you using nvidia or ati? |
| 09:34.18 | Maulkin | ktwilight: Oddly, mkcfm doesn't seem to exist... |
| 09:34.24 | ktwilight | hmm... |
| 09:34.40 | ktwilight | any clues on what i should do? |
| 09:34.42 | Maulkin | ktwilight: See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367369 |
| 09:34.44 | wishie | ktwilight: nvidia in this machine |
| 09:34.47 | azeem | Maulkin: might've been lost in the xutils modularization |
| 09:34.50 | ram_einstein | how do I build my own custom kernel again? lost the factoid |
| 09:34.55 | Maulkin | azeem: I think so, yeah |
| 09:35.22 | azeem | what is mkcfm supposed to do? |
| 09:35.23 | ram_einstein | I need one compiled on gcc-4.0 |
| 09:35.26 | ktwilight | that bug is reported for sid. |
| 09:35.36 | azeem | "create summaries of font metric files in CID font directories" |
| 09:35.40 | ktwilight | but i'm using etch. it works in sarge. so i'm guessing it got messed up somewhere? |
| 09:35.44 | azeem | ktwilight: are you running stable? |
| 09:35.46 | azeem | ah |
| 09:35.50 | ktwilight | yup |
| 09:35.54 | azeem | etch has modular X mostly as well |
| 09:36.00 | ram_einstein | I need a kernel compiled on gcc-4.0 |
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| 09:36.02 | azeem | ktwilight: etch == testing |
| 09:36.08 | ktwilight | wishie, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/README/index.html good start |
| 09:36.10 | SpooForBrains | Maulkin: thanks for the RTMF :) Should have thought of that really. |
| 09:36.13 | ktwilight | yes azeem |
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| 09:36.21 | azeem | anyway |
| 09:36.28 | Maulkin | !tell ram_einstein about custom kernel |
| 09:36.31 | ktwilight | wishie, better yet. go here http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/README/appendix-d.html |
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| 09:37.47 | ram_einstein | Maulkin: I'll look |
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| 09:39.23 | yang | When are they going to update nvidia-glx for etch, any idea? |
| 09:39.36 | RvGaTe | is there a way to do a ls, and sort it on time the files have been created? |
| 09:39.54 | yang | rvalles: ls -la --sort=time |
| 09:40.03 | PumpkinPie | im a sad man |
| 09:40.09 | RvGaTe | thx yang :) |
| 09:40.13 | ram_einstein | basically, that was useless. I need a kernel compiled on gcc-4.0. Any other ideas? |
| 09:40.15 | PumpkinPie | someone touch me |
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| 09:40.52 | ram_einstein | Maulkin: basically, that was useless. I need a kernel compiled on gcc-4.0. Any other ideas? |
| 09:41.44 | azeem | ram_einstein: why do you need that, anyway? |
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| 09:42.25 | ram_einstein | azeem: nVidia |
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| 09:42.43 | azeem | ah |
| 09:43.00 | ram_einstein | I can't compile the NVIDIA kernel module with a different compiler than the one that was used to compile the running kernel |
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| 09:43.18 | ram_einstein | The compiler used to compile the kernel was gcc 3.4 |
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| 09:43.29 | azeem | ram_einstein: so why not compile with 3.4? |
| 09:43.53 | petemc | ram_einstein: thats true for any kernel module |
| 09:44.26 | ram_einstein | the one I have now is 4.0 >> can I downgrade? |
| 09:44.41 | ram_einstein | petemc: obviously |
| 09:44.58 | petemc | ... |
| 09:45.18 | azeem | ram_einstein: you can install several gccs in parallel, no problem |
| 09:45.25 | azeem | just apt-get install gcc-3.4 |
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| 09:45.37 | ram_einstein | I need nvidia now to startx |
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| 09:45.48 | ram_einstein | azeem: one sec |
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| 09:47.44 | ram_einstein | and how do I read that dvd in my drive? it has my home! |
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| 09:47.56 | faber3 | morning, good |
| 09:48.06 | XandriX | whats the equivilent of rc.local in debian and where do i put rc.firewall :S |
| 09:48.56 | faber3 | how would you guys install a debian on a remote box without console access? you have one person available who can slide in a cd and type a few command, but no linux / unix knowledge whatsoever. any ideas? |
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| 09:48.57 | ram_einstein | mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc dvd >> worked a while back, not now |
| 09:49.01 | Gnea | !sysvinit |
| 09:49.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, sysvinit is zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
| 09:49.20 | Gnea | ram_einstein: /dvd ? |
| 09:49.25 | XandriX | still not telling me where i should put rc.firewall to start |
| 09:49.40 | ram_einstein | Gnea: /mnt/dvd |
| 09:49.43 | XandriX | + automaticaly |
| 09:49.57 | ram_einstein | does it matter!? |
| 09:50.08 | XandriX | to me it does lol |
| 09:50.09 | azeem | ktwilight, Maulkin: 11:42 < vorlon> yes, and mkcfm was dropped for licensing reasons |
| 09:50.13 | Gnea | if it's not absolute, yes |
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| 09:50.46 | Gnea | XandriX: it's not rc, it's SysV |
| 09:50.51 | XandriX | i know |
| 09:51.01 | Gnea | and it's much more intelligently layed out |
| 09:51.04 | azeem | XandriX: please try to keep your usage of `lol' to the really funny lines |
| 09:51.07 | Gnea | rc is just a hack |
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| 09:51.36 | XandriX | on another distro that is |
| 09:51.43 | Gnea | XandriX: everything goes in /etc/init.d/ , see the skeleton file there |
| 09:52.02 | Gnea | we don't care about other distros here |
| 09:52.10 | XandriX | Gnea, so i should call it just firewall chmod +x it and then it should run at boot ? |
| 09:52.31 | Gnea | XandriX: it won't run at boot until you notify the runlevels as such |
| 09:52.33 | ram_einstein | hdc: tray open |
| 09:52.34 | ram_einstein | end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 64 |
| 09:52.34 | ram_einstein | isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdc, iso_blknum=16, block=16 |
| 09:52.38 | XandriX | Gnea, ok |
| 09:52.39 | azeem | XandriX: then link it in from /etc/rcS.d |
| 09:52.47 | ram_einstein | mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc dvd >> worked a while back, not now |
| 09:54.05 | azeem | ram_einstein: can you try playing an audio CD? Does that work? |
| 09:54.09 | ktwilight | azeem, is there a replacement for mkcfm? |
| 09:54.23 | azeem | ktwilight: not that I know of |
| 09:54.24 | ram_einstein | azeem: one sec |
| 09:54.26 | Gnea | and that should actually be /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 09:54.39 | ktwilight | azeem, hmm...i'm guessing that i have to play the waiting game then. thanks! :) |
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| 09:55.00 | Gnea | XandriX: anyway, check out the update-rc.d command too |
| 09:55.06 | faber3 | is there a debian live cd ? |
| 09:55.12 | XandriX | Gnea, kk thx :) |
| 09:55.16 | ktwilight | yes faber3. i believe it's live.debian.org |
| 09:55.18 | XandriX | Gnea, should be fairly easy |
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| 09:55.24 | ktwilight | uh....net i mean |
| 09:55.35 | ram_einstein | azeem: alsa isn't setup yet. I'll try data |
| 09:55.59 | faber3 | what the alias for the "testing" system? |
| 09:56.19 | ram_einstein | the dvd drive is refusing to eject! |
| 09:56.56 | Gnea | it helps when it's not mounted |
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| 09:57.11 | RichiH | ram_einstein: try eject |
| 09:57.15 | RichiH | the prgram, not the button |
| 09:57.20 | tralala | I have an abit mobo (via chipset) and a sata disk. When I'm trying to make a filesystem (~40GB) the CPU usage hits 100% and the system response becomes very slow. The filesystem creation takes forever. I have the same symptoms when capturing from a DV source (ieee1394). UDMA enabled. Debian sarge amd64, backports 2.6.15 kernel. Ideas? |
| 09:57.41 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 09:57.42 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 09:57.44 | azeem | ram_einstein: so there's the "tray open" issue |
| 09:57.53 | azeem | ram_einstein: is it mounted already maybe? |
| 09:58.03 | ram_einstein | RichiH: I forced it out with a pin! |
| 09:58.06 | ram_einstein | azeem: no |
| 09:58.26 | Gnea | ram_einstein: have you ever had a cd or dvd explode in that drive? |
| 09:58.45 | ram_einstein | Gnea: lol, no |
| 09:58.53 | Gnea | ram_einstein: lol? what's so funny? |
| 09:59.09 | Gnea | it sounds and feels like a shotgun going off |
| 09:59.12 | blondie | the concept of a disc exploding |
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| 09:59.23 | ram_einstein | explode!? |
| 09:59.30 | blondie | shatter |
| 09:59.37 | jelly-ho | Gnea: is that common these days? |
| 09:59.54 | blondie | usually a cracked disc rotating at high speed |
| 10:00.01 | blondie | jelly-ho: it's more common with faster CD drives ;) |
| 10:00.07 | Gnea | it is funny, true, until the resulting shockwave causes the drive itself to shutdown, sending feedback to the PSU preventing the system from operating any further. also known as hardlocking. |
| 10:00.08 | liable | myth busters did an experiment on it. |
| 10:00.29 | Gnea | jelly-ho: only if someone makes a habit of keeping cds with small cracks in the center around |
| 10:00.40 | blondie | apparently there've been cases where "shrapnel" is launched out the front of the drive |
| 10:00.45 | blondie | at high speed |
| 10:01.12 | Gnea | blondie: odd, that must happen while the drive is being ejected. mine exploded while it was being read. |
| 10:01.49 | blondie | Gnea: nah, it was when it was being read |
| 10:01.56 | blondie | shoddy drives probably |
| 10:02.02 | Gnea | heh, probably |
| 10:02.04 | nixie | sounds like fun to bring a stack of cracked CDs to a store |
| 10:02.12 | ram_einstein | something's wrong with the drive now |
| 10:02.29 | blondie | our public PC rooms here had posters up warning about using cracked CDs for a while |
| 10:02.53 | nixie | "Don't use crack(ed CDs)!" |
| 10:02.55 | Gnea | oh it was great - i pressed the pin in and the drive opened, with shards falling to the floor and small pieces of the media covering itself getting into every nook and cranny of the drive |
| 10:03.44 | ram_einstein | how do I switch to qwerty? dvorak is killing me |
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| 10:03.53 | Gnea | the drive still works today, after i cleaned it out with canned air, although it only opens halfway unless i tug on the tray a bit |
| 10:04.12 | Gnea | and it doesn't read dvds very well anymore, just cds |
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| 10:04.25 | ram_einstein | loadkeys ___________ |
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| 10:04.37 | jelly-ho | ram_einstein: us? |
| 10:05.05 | ram_einstein | finally |
| 10:05.07 | ram_einstein | thanks jelly-ho |
| 10:05.16 | ram_einstein | dvorak was getting on my nerves |
| 10:05.19 | ram_einstein | it was about time |
| 10:06.06 | ram_einstein | anyway, the dvd drive seems to have conked off |
| 10:06.06 | ram_einstein | the eject button doesn't close it |
| 10:06.06 | ram_einstein | when it's empty |
| 10:06.06 | Gnea | ram_einstein: who made it? |
| 10:06.06 | ram_einstein | Sony |
| 10:06.06 | Gnea | heh. |
| 10:06.07 | Gnea | figures. |
| 10:06.19 | ram_einstein | when I pressed the drive with the pin, the dvd was still spinning |
| 10:06.24 | ram_einstein | so I guess something went wrong |
| 10:06.34 | ram_einstein | Gnea: what's wrong with Sony? |
| 10:06.41 | Gnea | ram_einstein: they're going down |
| 10:06.45 | Gnea | ram_einstein: i suggest lite-on |
| 10:06.47 | ram_einstein | yeah? |
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| 10:06.51 | ram_einstein | damn it |
| 10:06.51 | Gnea | yeah. |
| 10:06.58 | ram_einstein | I thought it was a good brand |
| 10:07.00 | ktwilight | sony is nothing buta hype :/ |
| 10:07.24 | ram_einstein | hell. I can't get this nvidia module compiled either |
| 10:07.29 | ram_einstein | ./usr/src/nv/conftest.sh: line 1: cc: command not found |
| 10:07.30 | simonrvn | of course it's hype |
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| 10:07.37 | ram_einstein | isn't cc symlinked to gcc? |
| 10:07.39 | ram_einstein | all the time? |
| 10:07.43 | Gnea | sony made some decent hardware in its day, but nothing that i'd call high-end. |
| 10:07.45 | ram_einstein | it should be that way atleast |
| 10:07.52 | ram_einstein | Gnea: I see |
| 10:07.56 | simonrvn | it is here |
| 10:08.02 | Gnea | ram_einstein: no, you need to symlink it manually |
| 10:08.11 | ram_einstein | Gnea: in /usr/bin, right? |
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| 10:08.15 | Gnea | yup |
| 10:08.22 | gullash | hello |
| 10:08.34 | liable | hola |
| 10:08.42 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
| 10:08.45 | ram_einstein | eh... where's |
| 10:08.46 | ram_einstein | tux:/usr/bin# which gcc |
| 10:08.46 | Gnea | hot damn that was the best ramen noodles i've had in a long time |
| 10:08.46 | ram_einstein | tux:/usr/bin# |
| 10:08.48 | ram_einstein | gcc? |
| 10:08.54 | simonrvn | um |
| 10:08.57 | ram_einstein | damn it, I thin kI messed up, which doesn't work |
| 10:08.57 | gullash | has someone a list with supported webcams for debian ? |
| 10:09.01 | Gnea | ram_einstein: apt-get install gcc-3.4 ? |
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| 10:09.08 | ram_einstein | Gnea: yes |
| 10:09.14 | ram_einstein | I did that |
| 10:09.21 | Gnea | !webcam |
| 10:09.21 | dpkg | methinks webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 10:09.23 | ram_einstein | gcc-3.4 is already the newest version. |
| 10:09.26 | simonrvn | cc --version\ncc (GCC) 4.1.2 20060604 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-2) |
| 10:09.33 | jelly-ho | ram_einstein: if you used the pin, you might have to reset the machine to get the door motors to work again. |
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| 10:09.40 | liable | hrm, might have to cook up some 2 minute variety |
| 10:09.43 | Gnea | simonrvn: look out below! |
| 10:09.43 | ram_einstein | jelly-ho: ah, I see |
| 10:09.56 | ram_einstein | jelly-ho: I hope it works on next reboot |
| 10:10.40 | Gnea | can of creamed corn+curry+red peppers+ramen noodles=yum |
| 10:10.41 | hoodlum | ok, so i want to install a 32 bit distro of debian on my amd64 system, would i be able to load the forcedeath drivers off of the amd64 debian cd onto the 32 bit install? |
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| 10:11.10 | Gnea | hoodlum: no, they must be 32bit. |
| 10:11.12 | ram_einstein | so where's gcc and where's cc? |
| 10:11.16 | ram_einstein | I must symlink it |
| 10:11.17 | hoodlum | hmm.. ok Gnea |
| 10:11.27 | Gnea | ram_einstein: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 10:11.28 | hoodlum | because i hate the fact that my nforce 3 boards intergrated ethernet isnt detected |
| 10:11.31 | Aap | hi , i want to make a symbolic link, i do ln /foo bar |
| 10:11.35 | Aap | but doesn't work |
| 10:11.46 | ram_einstein | Gnea: ah, thanks |
| 10:11.47 | Gnea | hoodlum: are you using the 2.4 or 2.6 kernel installer? |
| 10:11.52 | hoodlum | 2.4 |
| 10:11.57 | hoodlum | it come with the debian bible that i bought |
| 10:11.58 | Gnea | use 2.6 |
| 10:12.00 | Gnea | boot: linux26 |
| 10:12.07 | Gnea | that'll find forcedeth |
| 10:12.13 | Gnea | i had the same problem |
| 10:12.21 | hoodlum | ok, so use 2.6 and on boot type linux26 |
| 10:12.26 | Gnea | correct. |
| 10:12.40 | hoodlum | cause i select forcedeath to load for nforce2 boards hoping it would work |
| 10:12.41 | hoodlum | but no cigar |
| 10:12.41 | ram_einstein | Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel << great. |
| 10:12.47 | ram_einstein | where do I get the source tree now? |
| 10:12.53 | ram_einstein | problem after problem after problem |
| 10:12.55 | Gnea | ram_einstein: what kernel? |
| 10:13.03 | liable | ram_einstein: snapshot.debian.net |
| 10:13.07 | ram_einstein | 2.6.8 |
| 10:13.10 | Gnea | ram_einstein: heh, you'd hate working in IT ;) |
| 10:13.13 | ram_einstein | liable: with apt, please? |
| 10:13.17 | nixie | :) |
| 10:13.24 | ram_einstein | Gnea: lol |
| 10:13.31 | liable | ram_einstein: no, not even if you say pretty please :P |
| 10:13.55 | ram_einstein | liable: not possible from apt!? |
| 10:14.00 | ram_einstein | ... |
| 10:14.05 | ram_einstein | not my day |
| 10:14.07 | liable | ram_einstein: well, you could change your sources back to sarge momentarily |
| 10:14.19 | Gnea | ram_einstein: hell, try putting up with customers calling and complaining constantly in the food delivery service because instead of taking 45 minutes to get there, it's taking over 1.5 hours to get there. |
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| 10:14.53 | ram_einstein | liable: am I not running sarge? |
| 10:15.05 | Gnea | ram_einstein: apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6 ? |
| 10:15.07 | ram_einstein | I am |
| 10:15.09 | nixie | id rather troubleshoot PC trouble than to be bitched at by customers :) |
| 10:15.12 | ram_einstein | 3.1 |
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| 10:15.19 | liable | ram_einstein: i dont know, i just presumed you werent if you cant get a 2.6.8 source anymore |
| 10:15.21 | Gnea | nixie: lol, i'm getting to that point as well |
| 10:15.52 | ram_einstein | Gnea: nothing |
| 10:16.07 | Gnea | ram_einstein: linux-source-2.6 ? |
| 10:16.10 | nixie | fortunately i get the best of both worlds, fix linux problems and make customers happy at the same time |
| 10:16.12 | ram_einstein | liable: then what am I running? |
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| 10:16.32 | Gnea | nixie: hiring? ;) |
| 10:16.43 | ram_einstein | Gnea: right |
| 10:16.47 | liable | ram_einstein: i dont know. a good start would be to paste your sources.list somewhere |
| 10:16.50 | nixie | thinking of selling my part of the company actually:) |
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| 10:17.52 | Gnea | nixie: i see it happen all the time - the real professionals (the ones who do all the real work) get sick of the greedy CEO's so they figure out a way to get rid of them and keep the work going :) |
| 10:18.07 | ram_einstein | liable: how does that help? |
| 10:18.28 | nixie | Gnea: well im in that position right now. but im looking to advance with linux in different directions. kind of tired of the webhosting part. |
| 10:18.39 | Gnea | nixie: nod |
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| 10:19.19 | Gnea | nixie: funny how it doesn't matter what side of the atlantic we're on, it's all the same |
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| 10:19.25 | Arafangion | Man, upgrading to etch takes forever to download the new packages! |
| 10:19.42 | nixie | Gnea: global village :) |
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| 10:19.49 | Gnea | nixie: damn straight :) |
| 10:19.49 | sep | Arafangion, are you doing it on more then 1 machine ? |
| 10:19.52 | hoodlum | etch isnt going to be official until like december right? |
| 10:19.55 | Arafangion | sep: No, just the one. |
| 10:20.20 | Arafangion | sep: Ubuntu on my laptop, and Sarge on *all* others. |
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| 10:20.26 | liable | hoodlum: s/official/released/ yes |
| 10:20.37 | hoodlum | yep, thought so |
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| 10:21.16 | Arafangion | 1h29m30s to go until downloads finished. |
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| 10:22.31 | mundial | hi |
| 10:22.56 | mundial | debian is only with gnome? may i download debian with kde? |
| 10:23.09 | azeem | mundial: sure, debian supports KDE as well |
| 10:23.24 | hoodlum | yes multi_io |
| 10:23.25 | hoodlum | mundial |
| 10:23.26 | Arafangion | mundial: Debian doesn't default to either. |
| 10:24.06 | castro2006 | does any know program like secureCRT to install it on debian |
| 10:24.09 | Arafangion | mundial: However, at one point debian didn't have kde for historical license and political reasons, but that has changed. |
| 10:24.12 | castro2006 | to manage my sessions |
| 10:24.24 | Arafangion | castro2006: What is secureCRT? |
| 10:24.35 | azeem | castro2006: ssh |
| 10:24.44 | azeem | castro2006: or openssh-client if you run testing/unstable |
| 10:24.46 | castro2006 | yes |
| 10:24.55 | Gnea | mundial: you can download whatever window manager/desktop environment you want in debian |
| 10:25.02 | castro2006 | i have testing/unstable |
| 10:25.11 | Arafangion | castro2006: Hmm, the website suggests it's just yet another rebranded OpenSSH client. |
| 10:26.59 | RvGaTe | hmm, is it true that a username cannot start with a number? ( 6sigma ) |
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| 10:27.30 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 10:27.55 | jeffrin | my laptop really gets heated up can ACPI do something |
| 10:28.06 | jeffrin | my laptop really gets heated up. can ACPI do something |
| 10:28.22 | Arafangion | Possibly. |
| 10:28.23 | hoodlum | Gnea, i have this iso of debian, is this the 2.6 kernel - Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r2 "Sarge" |
| 10:28.38 | castro2006 | jeffrin: what kernel verion you have |
| 10:28.40 | azeem | hoodlum: type 'linux26' at the boot prompt |
| 10:29.02 | hoodlum | ok, but it only works on the 2.6 as Gnea said? |
| 10:29.08 | hoodlum | im wondering if that iso i have is the 2.6 kernel |
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| 10:29.31 | Coweater | sarge includes both |
| 10:29.38 | jeffrin | castro2006 : 2.6.17-rc6 |
| 10:29.51 | hoodlum | ok, Coweater |
| 10:32.00 | Gnea | hoodlum: yes, it has both, but you have to specify the 'linux26' at the boot prompt |
| 10:32.28 | hoodlum | ok, tah Gnea :D, time to get rid of ubuntu & windows |
| 10:32.38 | Gnea | enjoy :) |
| 10:32.43 | hoodlum | will do, bbl |
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| 10:33.54 | DimmuR | can someone point me where can i find usuable information about installing synaptics touchpad in debian ? (xorg and 2.6 kernel) |
| 10:33.55 | Aap | hi , i want to make a symbolic link, i do ln /foo bar , but doesn't work |
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| 10:34.12 | DimmuR | Aap: ln -s |
| 10:34.17 | Aap | thx |
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| 10:35.37 | liable | DimmuR: in my experience, they have 'just worked' |
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| 10:36.53 | DimmuR | liable: but this seems not to working :< |
| 10:37.14 | ram_einstein | Aap: man ln |
| 10:37.19 | Aap | yeah |
| 10:37.43 | liable | DimmuR: xorg logs say anything |
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| 10:41.58 | DimmuR | liable: it just cant even find synaptics touchpad |
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| 10:42.32 | liable | DimmuR: its not deactivated in bios or something silly? |
| 10:43.02 | DimmuR | liable: i checked in bios - nothing found and 2hours ago there was windows with working touchpad |
| 10:43.20 | epsilon | how do I output ($RANDOM % 100) in stdout? |
| 10:43.27 | epsilon | echo ... won't work |
| 10:43.35 | vsnb | Hello! How to get silipa phonetic fonts? sil.org offers ms windows/macos install packages. Besides, ive installed xfont-tipa package but still can't see phonetic transcription text in my dictionary |
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| 10:44.21 | Eclipser | epsilon, echo $((RANDOM % 100)) |
| 10:44.35 | liable | DimmuR: hrm, mdetect? |
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| 10:45.09 | epsilon | Eclipser: AHH thx, was missing that $ before (( :-) |
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| 10:47.41 | DimmuR | liable: I've made something hmm not-inteligent... just plug off the mouse and touchpad is working (now i reboot and check it) - is it possible then to make both working? |
| 10:48.38 | liable | DimmuR: a usb mouse? i believe so, just need to dev sections in xorg.conf |
| 10:48.43 | DimmuR | no it's ps/2 mouse |
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| 10:49.28 | jelly-ho | DimmuR: do both work at the same time in windows? |
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| 10:49.41 | XandriX | anyone here ever use apf ? |
| 10:49.48 | liable | DimmuR: same thing, check linux-laptops |
| 10:49.50 | RichiH | !anyone |
| 10:49.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:50.17 | XandriX | i just need to know howto get apf to start at boot in debian lol |
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| 10:51.30 | DimmuR | liable: thanks for help with mouse on usb its working perfect :D |
| 10:51.50 | liable | DimmuR: heh, ok. :) |
| 10:52.31 | XandriX | i was just wondering how i would do so (start apf at boot that is) |
| 10:53.22 | liable | XandriX: does it supply an init script? |
| 10:53.28 | XandriX | no thats the thing |
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| 10:54.45 | ram_einstein | XandriX: write one yourself |
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| 10:54.51 | ram_einstein | what's apf? |
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| 10:54.54 | Neeesat25 | Hello to all |
| 10:55.07 | abchirk | hi |
| 10:55.08 | XandriX | basicaly i just need it to to this at boot /usr/local/sbin/apf -s and /etc/apf/ad/antidos -a |
| 10:55.18 | ram_einstein | is it a daemon? if so, use a start-stop-damon prgoram |
| 10:55.35 | ram_einstein | XandriX: wait a sec then |
| 10:55.38 | XandriX | kk |
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| 10:55.49 | liable | XandriX: theres a skeleton file, or you can make a very simple init script in init.d |
| 10:55.55 | Aap | is a sticky bit working if even other users have w-r-x permissions? I mean: can the other members delete it? |
| 10:56.13 | ram_einstein | XandriX: is it a daemon? |
| 10:56.22 | XandriX | not really |
| 10:56.25 | XandriX | it uses cron tho |
| 10:56.42 | Neeesat25 | When Debian starts I get kde login window but when I enter Username and Password it logs in but I do not get any bars or menus just one terminal window |
| 10:56.46 | XandriX | i just need it to start at boot basicaly |
| 10:57.36 | ram_einstein | XandriX: just make a file in /etc/init.d and put /usr/local/sbin -s && /etc/apf/ad/antidos -a in it |
| 10:57.45 | ram_einstein | name it something |
| 10:57.57 | ram_einstein | and ask the rc-conf to add it to runlevel 2 |
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| 10:58.13 | ram_einstein | it's very basic and won't have a start-stop facility |
| 10:58.17 | ram_einstein | the initscript ie. |
| 10:58.22 | ram_einstein | but it'll do what you want |
| 10:58.54 | Aap | is a sticky bit working if even other users have w-r-x permissions? I mean: can the other members delete it? |
| 10:59.32 | XandriX | ram_einstein, erm tel rc-conf ? |
| 10:59.50 | ram_einstein | how do I get the kernel source tree for my current kernel? |
| 11:00.04 | ram_einstein | XandriX: sorry, I don't know what app it is on debian to do that |
| 11:00.08 | epsilon | can I assign float or fixed point number to a variable in bash? It only stores integers |
| 11:00.28 | XandriX | ram_einstein, its on a a deb server if thats what your asking lol |
| 11:00.33 | ram_einstein | ALL: How do you manage the initscripts in different runlevels? ie. what's the rc-conf program |
| 11:00.50 | ram_einstein | XandriX: no, I don't know how to manage initscript |
| 11:00.54 | ram_einstein | *initscripts |
| 11:01.00 | Neeesat25 | Anyone knows why kde does not shows bars and menus? |
| 11:01.03 | XandriX | i think its with update-rc.d |
| 11:01.18 | ram_einstein | XandriX: very possibly, I'll check taht |
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| 11:01.36 | ram_einstein | XandriX: yes, you're right |
| 11:01.47 | ram_einstein | just read the manpage and add that script to the default runlevel |
| 11:03.05 | ram_einstein | update-rc.d foobar defaults << to install |
| 11:03.06 | XandriX | should work time to test |
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| 11:04.43 | ram_einstein | how do I get the kernel source tree for my current kernel? |
| 11:05.01 | ram_einstein | my kernel is vmlinuz-2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
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| 11:05.10 | ram_einstein | it's just a generic kernel image |
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| 11:05.26 | ram_einstein | I don't mind changing kernels, but I want a source tree for it |
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| 11:05.43 | sussudio | that's not a debian kernel, is it. |
| 11:06.28 | ram_einstein | sussudio: what is it then? |
| 11:06.32 | liable | hrm, dpkg doesnt do archs does it? |
| 11:06.34 | ram_einstein | I got it via apt-get |
| 11:06.53 | ram_einstein | liable: all I need is the kernel source. I'll compile one for myself |
| 11:07.27 | ram_einstein | the kernel source in /usr/src/linux-<ver> and a symlink to it named /usr/src/linux. That's what I'm used to |
| 11:07.34 | liable | ram_einstein: apt-get search kernel-source |
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| 11:08.40 | ram_einstein | liable: you mean apt-cache search |
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| 11:09.07 | liable | erm, yeah. that :P |
| 11:09.08 | ram_einstein | there's a nice kernel-tree-2.4.27 |
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| 11:09.20 | ram_einstein | should I get that? |
| 11:09.28 | ram_einstein | I don't know what version of the kernel I'll get with it |
| 11:09.34 | ram_einstein | I want a 2.6+ |
| 11:09.36 | liable | no, what good will that do you? |
| 11:09.51 | ram_einstein | liable: I'll know what drivers I'll get |
| 11:09.58 | ram_einstein | and I don't want an outdated 2.4 kernel |
| 11:10.22 | liable | ram_einstein: i was talking about getting the 2.4 source |
| 11:10.56 | Neeesat25 | How it's more practical to autostart kde on boot? |
| 11:11.17 | ram_einstein | liable: why would I want the 2.4 source? and what's this version tagged to kernel-tree? |
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| 11:11.40 | ram_einstein | I hope it isn't the version of the kernel, because if it were, that kernel is really outdated |
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| 11:12.48 | liable | ram_einstein: if you are running 64bit debian ask in #debian-amd64 about problems with the repos |
| 11:12.56 | ram_einstein | liable: okay |
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| 11:14.44 | ram_einstein | my sources.list has two items: |
| 11:14.45 | ram_einstein | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian testing main |
| 11:14.47 | ram_einstein | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian testing main |
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| 11:14.58 | ram_einstein | is that good enough? |
| 11:15.35 | styx-tdo | hi, anyone experience with HPPA? can't get the baby to boot :/ |
| 11:16.19 | christor_ | please how to install vlc on debian testing? I have a lot of dependencies prob |
| 11:16.33 | styx-tdo | ah netboot, installation, to clarify |
| 11:17.00 | christor_ | !vlc |
| 11:17.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
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| 11:17.24 | styx-tdo | !hppa |
| 11:17.24 | dpkg | from memory, hppa is called pa-risc |
| 11:17.31 | styx-tdo | !pa-risc |
| 11:17.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, pa-risc is http://www.parisc-linux.org |
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| 11:20.41 | simonrvn | ram_einstein: |
| 11:20.43 | simonrvn | !testing security |
| 11:20.43 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
| 11:20.46 | liable | ram_einstein: i thought you said you have sarge? |
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| 11:21.03 | liable | ram_einstein: thats why i told you to post that stuff before.. |
| 11:21.16 | ram_einstein | liable: I have no idea now actually |
| 11:22.00 | ram_einstein | simonrvn: okay, I'll do that |
| 11:22.27 | liable | ram_einstein: well you cant get 2.6.8 source from etch repos, so get a newer 2.6 kernel and the accompanying source or get the source package from s.d.n |
| 11:22.27 | fisrado | did anyone here had anysuccess with getting nessus working with mysql ? |
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| 11:22.40 | ram_einstein | liable: okay, thanks |
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| 11:23.34 | streuner | !wb Shadowcat |
| 11:23.34 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Shadowcat has returned! |
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| 11:24.43 | ruben | Hi, I can use nvdia driver if I have a VIA K8N800 chipset? |
| 11:25.10 | streuner | hm, via mobos sucks |
| 11:25.20 | streuner | so its onboard-chipset? |
| 11:25.39 | Shadowcat | speaking of via mobos, anybody know of cases for ITX boxes? |
| 11:26.00 | ruben | streuner: yes, now I use vesa, but I think that is not good idea |
| 11:26.19 | streuner | ruben: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
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| 11:26.27 | hoodlum | hi |
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| 11:26.42 | hoodlum | ok, so i can ping my internal network |
| 11:26.47 | streuner | ruben: VESA is limited to 800x640, IIRC... |
| 11:26.48 | hoodlum | but i cant ping a host ie, www.google.com |
| 11:26.50 | welp_ | how do i stop iptables? i can't find it anywhere? :/ |
| 11:26.55 | ruben | streuner well, in windows says 'S3G unichrome' |
| 11:27.06 | streuner | !unichrome |
| 11:27.06 | dpkg | unichrome is, like, the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 11:27.10 | ruben | my laptot is loading |
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| 11:27.30 | liable | hoodlum: can you ping 66.249.89.104 |
| 11:27.37 | hoodlum | one moment and ill check |
| 11:27.41 | ruben | streuner: via driver has 1024x* ? |
| 11:27.47 | streuner | ruben: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:27.52 | ruben | my laptot is loading |
| 11:27.53 | ruben | :( |
| 11:27.58 | ruben | is off now, sorry :( |
| 11:28.10 | streuner | ruben: check out the URL, it should provide some infos about. |
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| 11:28.22 | hoodlum | liable, network is unreachable is the error i got |
| 11:28.29 | hoodlum | i suspect it has to do with my route table |
| 11:28.36 | streuner | ruben: http://unichrome.sf.net/ |
| 11:28.42 | liable | hoodlum: hrm, whats 'route' output? |
| 11:28.43 | Snoopotic | hi is here some german helper? |
| 11:28.50 | hoodlum | ummm |
| 11:28.53 | streuner | Snoopotic: #debian.de |
| 11:28.57 | Snoopotic | ah thx |
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| 11:29.21 | streuner | Snoopotic: or just ask in english |
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| 11:29.49 | hoodlum | liable, its ... localnet * 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:29.54 | hoodlum | and thats on eth1 interface |
| 11:30.00 | jas4711 | hi. i'm not a dd, but I maintain the 'shishi' package. it has been stuck in the NEW queue for 3 weeks just because we renamed a package and added another binary package. No source changes. How can I find out (and influence..) what's taking it so long? |
| 11:30.05 | liable | hoodlum: just one line? |
| 11:30.08 | hoodlum | yep |
| 11:30.16 | liable | hoodlum: what the routers ip? |
| 11:30.22 | hoodlum | 192.168.0.1 |
| 11:31.02 | Snoopotic | umm I installed per vmware debian (64bit, hmm I think its testing) per mini-iso, and something I did wrong... and noe x-server cannot started. |
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| 11:31.14 | liable | route add -net default gateway 192.168.0.1 eth1 |
| 11:31.15 | Snoopotic | and the* |
| 11:31.23 | hoodlum | tah liable :D |
| 11:32.22 | hoodlum | worked a charm liable |
| 11:32.23 | ChrisW_ | hi all |
| 11:32.31 | hoodlum | so now where abouts do i add that so it is enabled at start up? |
| 11:32.42 | hoodlum | its in like /etc/networking or somewhere similar correct? |
| 11:32.52 | liable | hoodlum: /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces |
| 11:33.02 | hoodlum | ah yep, excellent. thanks for the help liable. |
| 11:33.07 | ChrisW_ | I have a database and a web application server, I have control scripts for them in /etc/init.d, what do I now do to get them to start on machine startup and stop on machine shutdown? |
| 11:33.12 | liable | you're welcome |
| 11:33.27 | ChrisW_ | (more specifically, the order needs to be: db up, web up, web down, db down) |
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| 11:34.38 | SlayerXP | ChrisW_: your web code should gracefully handle the db not being available, so it's a moot question, really. |
| 11:34.41 | liable | ChrisW_: you mean, get the init scripts called in order? |
| 11:35.03 | ruben | streuner: any idea how to use via 'driver' with xorg? it is compiled by default? |
| 11:35.46 | ChrisW_ | liable: I mean installing the inti scripts in rcx, or wahtever the debian equivalent is, and doing so using the "right" utlities |
| 11:36.14 | liable | ChrisW_: update-rc.d is the tool |
| 11:36.31 | ChrisW_ | and yeah, also having the db come up before the web app. Yeah, the web app will fail gracefully, but there's f'all point in the web app being up prior to the database ;-) |
| 11:37.08 | streuner | ruben: according to the factoid (/msg dpkg unichrome) it is, if you are using sarge/stable you need xorg (/msg dpkg backports) and look for the instructions in order to get it working. |
| 11:37.23 | ruben | thanks |
| 11:37.40 | Shadowcat | long line |
| 11:37.56 | Shadowcat | streuner: I'm looking to build an via itx box myself |
| 11:38.06 | Shadowcat | but I can't find any cases |
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| 11:38.19 | Shadowcat | or rather I can't find any suitable cases |
| 11:38.31 | ChrisW_ | hmmm, update-rc.d dbctl defaults 01 && update-rc.d webctl defaults 02 ? |
| 11:39.02 | ChrisW_ | maybe better? update-rc.d dbctl defaults 01 02 && update-rc.d webctl defaults 02 01? |
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| 11:39.31 | heh_v_water | ChrisW_: is this just apache and mysql?? |
| 11:39.58 | ChrisW_ | heh_v_water: actually no, it's Zope, the DB is the storage server, and web is the web client ;-) |
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| 11:40.30 | ChrisW_ | (it's also why I'm not just using the packaged versions ;-) ) |
| 11:40.38 | liable | ChrisW_: no defaults, and you prolly want it loaded late in the show |
| 11:40.40 | streuner | ruben: basically you need to install xorg and run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' then. |
| 11:40.48 | liable | ChrisW_: keep reading the man page :P |
| 11:40.59 | ChrisW_ | liable: why no defaults? and yes about late in the show, how do I indicate that? |
| 11:41.01 | brosio | how can i sobstitute alle the part of a file that has "2.1.0" with "2.1.3" ? it is a text file |
| 11:41.32 | streuner | via sed? |
| 11:41.35 | liable | ChrisW_: because defaults loads it in default ru n levels at default times.. |
| 11:41.53 | brosio | streuner: any way is good |
| 11:41.59 | ChrisW_ | liable: and why is that bad? |
| 11:42.22 | liable | ChrisW_: do both with defaults and see what happens |
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| 11:42.50 | ChrisW_ | liable: that sounds like you know something bad's gonna happen :-S |
| 11:43.08 | liable | no, but it might show you instead of asking me :P |
| 11:43.40 | ChrisW_ | oh, and one other thing, is there any way to say "run this control script as a different user?" |
| 11:43.42 | liable | ChrisW_: do it and ls the rc dirs, and you'll see |
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| 11:45.25 | superlinux | hi all! |
| 11:45.35 | liable | hola |
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| 11:45.51 | superlinux | has anybody tried the application called "Demo recorder"? |
| 11:46.06 | blondie | !anyone |
| 11:46.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:47.33 | superlinux | blondie, I have not any bug with the program but I have comments on it.. it's good replacement to Howto's |
| 11:49.29 | Aap | hi |
| 11:49.38 | superlinux | Aap, hi |
| 11:49.41 | superlinux | hello |
| 11:50.16 | Aap | when i add a secundairy group to a user, does this user has only read permissions to the files of that (secundiary) group |
| 11:51.09 | liable | whats a secondary group? |
| 11:51.10 | superlinux | Aap, the user owning the files of the 2nd group should give other perms |
| 11:51.31 | superlinux | liable, what ever that group is |
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| 11:52.13 | liable | Aap: all depends on the perms of the files. |
| 11:52.28 | Aap | so i have user1 (group: users1) and user2 (group users2, secundairy group users1). File perm: 770 |
| 11:52.59 | superlinux | emm now I understood the problem |
| 11:53.11 | superlinux | AH |
| 11:53.28 | superlinux | the file group ownership is what? |
| 11:53.45 | superlinux | what I know is that there is only one ownership! |
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| 11:54.03 | Aap | -rw-rw--w- |
| 11:54.24 | superlinux | Aap, ownership not the modes/perms |
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| 11:54.53 | liable | Aap: thats group writable |
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| 11:55.18 | Aap | so, if it's group writeable, will users in secundairy groups be able to write? |
| 11:55.19 | Neeesat25 | How can I make kde autostart on startup? By creating a service? |
| 11:55.30 | ChrisW_ | what package do the zlib dev headers live in? I'm trying to compile python with zlib support... |
| 11:55.38 | superlinux | liable, mybe it's group name of the file is different |
| 11:55.40 | Coweater | Neeesat25: install a login manager, xdm, gdm, kdm |
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| 11:55.53 | Coweater | *desktop manager |
| 11:55.58 | Neeesat25 | I have install kdm |
| 11:56.00 | superlinux | .. from what it should be |
| 11:56.11 | azeem | Coweater: display manager :) |
| 11:56.30 | Aap | that's the main question |
| 11:56.35 | Neeesat25 | But when starts it prombs for Username and Password and when it login I dont get any icons or bars |
| 11:56.52 | Neeesat25 | just a terminal window |
| 11:56.58 | superlinux | Aap, if it's the matter of ownership : |
| 11:57.15 | liable | Neeesat25: when you login, click the session button first |
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| 11:57.25 | Aap | ownership: the file is created by a users1 group user |
| 11:57.27 | superlinux | Aap, chmod user:group [files] |
| 11:57.34 | superlinux | Aap, chown user:group [files] |
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| 11:57.59 | Neeesat25 | Whatever I choose in the session type I get the same results |
| 11:58.08 | Aap | i did that |
| 11:58.19 | liable | Neeesat25: how did you install kde? |
| 11:58.26 | Neeesat25 | apt-get install |
| 11:58.30 | liable | what? |
| 11:58.42 | Aap | that's ok, but my question is just: do secundairy group users have the same rights as primary group users |
| 11:58.43 | azeem | kde is a meta-package, no? |
| 11:58.49 | liable | yes |
| 11:58.51 | superlinux | Aap, do you have skype , we can solve it voice chat |
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| 11:59.05 | Aap | i have to install it first |
| 11:59.11 | azeem | so `apt-get install kde' sounds like a correct answer to `how did you install kde?' |
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| 11:59.13 | superlinux | ok I will wait |
| 11:59.42 | Neeesat25 | Thats how I have install it |
| 12:00.20 | liable | azeem: yes, but 'apt-get' doesnt. he could have apt-getted kdm and thats it for all i know |
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| 12:00.57 | liable | Neeesat25: apt-get install what? |
| 12:01.09 | Neeesat25 | apt-get install kde |
| 12:01.12 | liable | right |
| 12:01.59 | KimmoA | How can two small fans make so much NOISE?! |
| 12:02.10 | streuner | RPM? |
| 12:02.12 | liable | Neeesat25: what version of debian? stable? |
| 12:02.14 | KimmoA | :S |
| 12:02.25 | Neeesat25 | I used the netinstall |
| 12:02.38 | liable | Neeesat25: sarge or etch? |
| 12:02.49 | streuner | KimmoA: if you using fans which have more than 2000 RPM you feel at some point pretty strange then :-) |
| 12:02.51 | Aap | superlinux: installing... |
| 12:03.03 | superlinux | ok Aap im waiting |
| 12:03.09 | KimmoA | streuner: I don't get what that's supposed to mean :S |
| 12:03.26 | sussudio | can i use pc2700 or pc3200 on a motherboard that runs at 266 (pc2100)? |
| 12:03.58 | Coweater | yes |
| 12:04.13 | Neeesat25 | I have upgrade to SID |
| 12:04.14 | nixie | sussudio: should work fine. dont mix different CAS timed chips tho |
| 12:04.20 | sussudio | k. it's just that it seems that pc3200 is cheaper than either pc2700 or pc2100 at the moment, i wondered why. |
| 12:04.28 | phaedrus444 | i use alsaconf and i get a report saying no pci sound and it wants to probe legacy isa |
| 12:04.30 | nixie | sussudio: or, if you do, make sure it uses the slowest CAS timiings |
| 12:04.35 | pipeline | sussudio: The most commonly used RAM is always the cheapest. |
| 12:04.38 | phaedrus444 | but i used alsa before on this very system and it was fine |
| 12:04.44 | phaedrus444 | any advice? |
| 12:04.52 | pipeline | sussudio: There's no reason you can't put "PC3200" into a system that requires "PC2100" |
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| 12:05.08 | pipeline | sussudio: The only thing that would cause physically compatible RAM not to work is density -- and density can be a problem no matter what the speed. |
| 12:05.13 | sussudio | pipeline: i've known some boards that refused faster ram |
| 12:05.29 | pipeline | sussudio: That had nothing to do with the speed of the RAM, I can guarantee that. |
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| 12:05.40 | sussudio | pipeline: pc66 vs pc100? |
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| 12:05.59 | pipeline | sussudio: Potential issues: Bad timing settings in the BIOS that fail to reflect the lowest common denominator across banks; aforementioned density; etc |
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| 12:06.21 | pipeline | sussudio: PC66 versus PC100 is a *big* one -- density is almost always a problem. You have to read the sides of the chips and determine how big they are! |
| 12:06.43 | Aap | superlinux: ok installed |
| 12:06.51 | KimmoA | Noticed how hardware usually have labels on them, but rarely say WTF they are? |
| 12:06.55 | superlinux | ok |
| 12:07.17 | nixie | well there can be one more issue, and thats that the higher clocked ram wont be used to its full potential. I have 433mhz dimms in my board but the bios locks them at 333, and I can switch them to 400 in windows without any problems but the bios wont. so im stuck on 333 in linux. |
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| 12:07.38 | nixie | it works just fine though. |
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| 12:07.43 | pipeline | nixie: There's no such thing as 433 MHz DIMMs. |
| 12:07.51 | liable | Neeesat25: you realise sid can be very broken at times, and what you are experiencing right now could well be because of that fact? |
| 12:07.57 | nixie | pipeline: sure there are. |
| 12:08.03 | dererk | :) |
| 12:08.14 | Aap | superlinux: username = krambo2 |
| 12:08.18 | yassine | hi folks |
| 12:08.26 | dererk | hi yassine |
| 12:08.33 | Neeesat25 | hmm Can this be reversed or upgrade to something? |
| 12:08.34 | nixie | pipeline: google PC3500. |
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| 12:08.41 | Neeesat25 | or I will have to reinstall |
| 12:08.44 | Neeesat25 | ? |
| 12:09.18 | liable | Neeesat25: nope, re-install. if its only a personal desktop, install etch, but even etch breaks on occasions. |
| 12:09.38 | Neeesat25 | It's a machine that I use Mythtv |
| 12:09.51 | liable | Neeesat25: use etch |
| 12:10.03 | Neeesat25 | I have full dvd isos |
| 12:10.11 | pipeline | nixie: What balderdash. |
| 12:10.16 | Neeesat25 | Can I install everything from there? |
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| 12:10.28 | pipeline | nixie: They can rate their memory for whatever they like; if it doesn't run properly because memory controllers crap themselves, it doesn't mean a whole lot :P |
| 12:10.50 | liable | Neeesat25: everything thats in debian yes, not mythtv though. |
| 12:10.57 | Neeesat25 | yes I know |
| 12:11.08 | Neeesat25 | But is kde included in that? |
| 12:11.10 | liable | Neeesat25: are they sarge dvd's though? |
| 12:11.15 | liable | yes |
| 12:11.25 | Neeesat25 | I jsve downloaded the current |
| 12:11.34 | Neeesat25 | jsve = have |
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| 12:11.54 | nixie | pipeline: as i said, it runs fine, but its the bios that wont recoginze the timings. there's this windows app that lets you change timings directly and that works fine. in another board they run as 400mhz. so im just guessing its the crappy bios, since I can't even manually set them to 400 yet it works when i do that in windoze;) |
| 12:11.55 | liable | Neeesat25: from where? gimme the link |
| 12:12.03 | Neeesat25 | ok just a min |
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| 12:12.44 | oxygen | hi |
| 12:12.44 | oxygen | all |
| 12:12.47 | oxygen | :) |
| 12:13.02 | yassine | i would like to know what do i need if i want to have 2 monitors on my laptop ? ( do i need an other grafic card ? ) |
| 12:13.04 | Neeesat25 | here it is: ftp://debian.osuosl.org/debian-cdimage/current/i386/iso-dvd |
| 12:13.36 | nixie | yassine: 1 laptop screen + 2 externals = buy a pcmcia videocard |
| 12:13.45 | liable | Neeesat25: ok, thats sarge |
| 12:13.55 | Lightning | hi all |
| 12:14.01 | Neeesat25 | How you know that it is? |
| 12:14.04 | Aap | superlinux: i hear you, but yu don't |
| 12:14.12 | nixie | yassine: or maybe USB nowadays, i dont know |
| 12:14.15 | Lightning | I cannot find the xvid encodec package in debian stable |
| 12:14.16 | liable | Neeesat25: cause i am really clever :P |
| 12:14.21 | pipeline | nixie: "shitty board" = "board that runs only within its advertised spec" ? |
| 12:14.28 | yassine | nixie, thanks you |
| 12:14.49 | heh_v_water | Is there an open source benchmarking tool like 3dMark for linux? |
| 12:14.50 | Lightning | anyone knows whether is it exist in debian pool? |
| 12:14.55 | nixie | yassine: be sure to check linux compatability befor you buy:) |
| 12:15.13 | liable | Lightning: debian-multimedia.org |
| 12:15.20 | Neeesat25 | Is this also? ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/debian-cd/iso-dvd |
| 12:15.22 | Lightning | Xvid is released under the terms of the GNU GPL license |
| 12:15.25 | liable | Lightning: aka, old marillat |
| 12:15.38 | Lightning | oh, thank you very much |
| 12:16.05 | nixie | pipeline: well I consider a board shitty that claims to be able run on 400mhz, runs fine with pc3200 dimms on 400, but with pc3500 it drops down to 333, and the only way to put it on 400 is with a windows app. :) |
| 12:16.46 | pipeline | nixie: Well, yes, that is shitty, if it fails to meet its own specifications. |
| 12:17.13 | stoned | hi |
| 12:17.35 | Neeesat25 | liable: Is this link also a sarge? ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/debian-cd/iso-dvd |
| 12:18.11 | liable | Neeesat25: yes |
| 12:18.25 | liable | Neeesat25: just get the etch net-installer |
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| 12:18.39 | liable | Neeesat25: no need to get dvd images |
| 12:18.53 | Neeesat25 | I have that also |
| 12:19.50 | Neeesat25 | And download everyhting with apt-get install x-window-manager kde kdm? |
| 12:20.02 | liable | yep |
| 12:20.09 | Neeesat25 | Thanks liable |
| 12:20.16 | liable | no problem |
| 12:20.18 | stoned | im so happy I don't have to go to work today |
| 12:21.07 | Dewi | is apache2 chrooted by default these days? |
| 12:21.08 | Dewi | (etch) |
| 12:21.23 | formorer | of course not |
| 12:21.41 | Dewi | I'm just having permissions problems accessing some stuff |
| 12:21.45 | Dewi | nevermind |
| 12:22.20 | oxygen | i want to change a word all file ... but i dont know so can you help me pls .. |
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| 12:23.17 | Lightning | sed |
| 12:23.22 | oxygen | sed ? |
| 12:23.27 | petemc | oxygen: sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' * |
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| 12:25.12 | Zeroth405 | I just did a floppy install of etch, and after boot there is no network interfaces loaded. I have two, an onboard ethernet and a wireless PCMCIA. `ifconfig -a` shows nothing but lo. |
| 12:25.50 | Zeroth405 | Not to mention how long it took me to figure out how to select a "testing" install because it never gave me the option :-) |
| 12:26.18 | Tassium | Zeroth405: You may need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:26.34 | liable | Zeroth405: whats the ethernet card? |
| 12:26.58 | Zeroth405 | Tassium, I've done plenty of that |
| 12:27.13 | Zeroth405 | liable, intell made. I'm trying to use the wirelss for now |
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| 12:27.53 | Zeroth405 | I had a previous installation of Sarge, and I could easily switch between wireless and wired by changing instances of "eth0" to "eth1" and back in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:27.59 | liable | Zeroth405: i would be surprised if your wireless card is supported out of the box. what chipset is it? |
| 12:28.07 | Neeesat25 | liable? |
| 12:28.16 | liable | Neeesat25: what? |
| 12:28.26 | Lightning | how about you ifconfig an ip to your netcards manully? |
| 12:28.30 | Neeesat25 | liable: I have remove kdm and install gdm and it worked |
| 12:28.32 | Zeroth405 | liable, I really have no idea, but the net-install drivers on the floppy install method work with it perfectly. |
| 12:28.38 | heh_v_water | Zeroth405: How can you do a floppy install and have no network device... doesn't the floppy installer require an internet connection? |
| 12:28.46 | liable | Zeroth405: hrm lucky you :) |
| 12:28.55 | Zeroth405 | Lightning, how could I do that if I have no eth device? |
| 12:28.56 | liable | Neeesat25: cool. |
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| 12:29.06 | Zeroth405 | liable, its a really old wireless card |
| 12:29.19 | Lightning | zeroth405, first step , modprobe your cards driver |
| 12:29.42 | Lightning | example, modprobe tg3 |
| 12:29.57 | Lightning | take a look at the lspci -v result |
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| 12:30.32 | Lightning | what chips of your network cards? |
| 12:30.37 | heh_v_water | Zeroth405: you will have to knwo exactly what chipset ithe wireless card is, probably compile kernel module for it and set it up.. Wireless is really touch and go right now, most cards aren't supported. If it's old maybe you'll get lucky with a Prism chipset |
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| 12:31.00 | pinucset_ | i cant automount a usb using hal, it shows mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab when i try to mount it. Please help, it happens with my compiled kernel |
| 12:31.00 | Zeroth405 | Lightning, all I know is that the onboard is intel, and the wireless pcmcia is sony. |
| 12:31.13 | Lightning | lspci -v |
| 12:31.22 | Zeroth405 | heh_v_water, I cant even get the onboard wired adapter to work |
| 12:31.38 | KimmoA | I just got all cold (which is kind of good, since it's so damn hot) when I got "Login incorrect" (or whatever it says) when I tried to log in as root five times in a row. Suddenly, it just worked. Very strange, since I carefully typed in the same password each time. Never happened before. |
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| 12:31.44 | Zeroth405 | Lightning, I don't have the laptop with me at the moment, I'm taking notes :-) |
| 12:31.45 | Tassium | I'd try getting the wired NIC working before I goofed around with wifi, but that's just me |
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| 12:31.58 | KimmoA | I also noticed how tty2 was gone... 1, 3-5 could be switched to. |
| 12:32.00 | heh_v_water | Zeit|idle: if debian installed over the network then your onboard wireld nic is doable, you just don't have the module initialized probably |
| 12:32.06 | KimmoA | But #2 was the same as #1. |
| 12:32.07 | heh_v_water | grrr |
| 12:32.08 | KimmoA | Weird, huh? |
| 12:32.17 | Zeroth405 | If it means anything, I had both adapters working with Debian Stable. |
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| 12:32.55 | KimmoA | A zillion people here, and no feedback... :/ |
| 12:32.57 | Tassium | Zeroth405: You got that stable config laying around for reference? |
| 12:33.24 | Zeroth405 | Tassium, nope. :-) |
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| 12:34.11 | heh_v_water | Zeroth405: you just need to know what chipset is on them and google it up, piece of cake.. get the card's model number, look at the chip on it, whatever you have to do to find out EXACTLY what you have |
| 12:34.15 | Zeroth405 | KimmoA, make sure its not commented out in /etc/inittab |
| 12:34.34 | Zeroth405 | heh_v_water, should be easy. its very old :-) |
| 12:34.54 | oxygen | [11~[12~[13 |
| 12:35.05 | cahoot | KimmoA: and maybe even check the logs |
| 12:35.07 | charzero | Should all the fonts in the directories in my xorg.conf FontPath show up in xfontsel ? |
| 12:35.19 | Aap | superlinux: thx man |
| 12:35.25 | superlinux | welcome |
| 12:35.28 | simonrvn | i'd start with all the logs, then check inittab |
| 12:35.35 | simonrvn | (order of urgency) |
| 12:35.39 | Aap | i'm installing skype under win2k3 :s |
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| 12:35.47 | superlinux | LOL! |
| 12:36.10 | heh_v_water | with the right chipset wireless in Linux is waaaaay too much fun ;) |
| 12:36.14 | superlinux | Aap, if you want to use it under linux Ill teach you |
| 12:36.26 | Aap | ok great! |
| 12:36.27 | superlinux | it's easy |
| 12:36.29 | simonrvn | why a) do you have win2k3 b) are you installing skype ? |
| 12:36.47 | Aap | tell me |
| 12:36.56 | simonrvn | and, c) my condolences |
| 12:36.58 | superlinux | simonrvn, many have troubles running skype |
| 12:37.03 | superlinux | under linux I mean |
| 12:37.13 | Aap | simonrvn: i needed it for school |
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| 12:37.31 | Aap | active directory .... (exams) |
| 12:37.34 | tapas | man, i forgot where the older packages lived on the debian site again |
| 12:37.42 | KimmoA | zeroth404: It's a fresh system... I didn't uncomment tty2! o_O |
| 12:37.48 | tapas | i need to downgrade autoconf on another machine of mine |
| 12:37.48 | Zeit|idle | heh_v_water: ermmm.. what? :D |
| 12:37.50 | KimmoA | cahoot: What logs? For what? |
| 12:37.54 | superlinux | I donno why universities are still teaching windows in their IT departments |
| 12:37.55 | simonrvn | Aap: again, my condolences :| |
| 12:37.58 | liable | tapas: snapshot.debian.net |
| 12:37.58 | tapas | and damn bash always only tores half of the histor |
| 12:38.01 | tapas | liable: ah, thanks |
| 12:38.05 | liable | np |
| 12:38.08 | heh_v_water | Zeit|idle: sorry was a nickcomplete error |
| 12:38.11 | superlinux | Aap, me too! |
| 12:38.14 | superlinux | LOL! |
| 12:38.17 | tapas | liable: i think i'T not contained in the debian site map |
| 12:38.19 | Zeit|idle | k :) |
| 12:38.20 | tapas | liable: or i was blindstruck |
| 12:38.29 | cahoot | KimmoA: I'd suggest those in /var/log |
| 12:38.32 | liable | tapas: no its seperate |
| 12:38.35 | Aap | simonrvn: i had linux iptables & proxy and linux system administration + win2k3 dns + active dir |
| 12:38.42 | Aap | superlinux: lol |
| 12:38.52 | KimmoA | Funky. Colors. |
| 12:38.53 | liable | tapas: though theres prolly a link somewhere to it. |
| 12:39.00 | tapas | liable: you gotta love debian ;) |
| 12:39.09 | simonrvn | at least that win box was behind something sane |
| 12:39.21 | superlinux | Aap, now samba 4 is released and has all Active directory suff |
| 12:39.21 | heh_v_water | Aap: i think you mean Server2k3 big difference |
| 12:39.30 | KimmoA | cahoot: Um... So... um... For what? |
| 12:39.30 | Aap | yeah well, i need it also to share my internet on my student house (wireless) |
| 12:39.38 | Aap | yes i know superlinux |
| 12:39.48 | christor | Why I cant install VLC on my linux :s is there a prob in testing dist? |
| 12:40.04 | tapas | ah snapshot debian.net seems to be down |
| 12:40.08 | Aap | i just study what i have to, i can't say "hey, don't teach win2k3 |
| 12:40.09 | Tassium | christor: You tell us - why can't you? |
| 12:40.09 | heh_v_water | superlinux: ould you point me to where information regarding Samba 4 please |
| 12:40.11 | superlinux | cos I read in Linux Format that microshit finally relsead documentain |
| 12:40.23 | redblades | about what? |
| 12:40.34 | christor | Tassium: A lot of dependencies problem |
| 12:40.37 | superlinux | heh_v_water, I read it on hard copy |
| 12:40.38 | redblades | Sorry, I just llike the look of this convo |
| 12:40.45 | redblades | christor, ??? |
| 12:40.54 | Aap | ok superlinux, i'm ready to listen |
| 12:41.00 | superlinux | ok |
| 12:41.10 | Aap | brb |
| 12:41.13 | Aap | brb |
| 12:41.28 | superlinux | abt skype on linux |
| 12:41.39 | superlinux | check if there is a /dev/dsp |
| 12:41.43 | Tassium | heh_v_water: samba.org. Samba 4 isn't released yet, it's a "technology preview". (think "pre-beta") |
| 12:41.52 | heh_v_water | A decent (fairly easy to use) Active Directory system is something I have been wanting for a long time |
| 12:41.54 | christor | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.55 | christor | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.58 | heh_v_water | arrgh k |
| 12:42.00 | christor | and other ... |
| 12:42.11 | superlinux | and make KDE sound system as "no sound I/O" in the control panel |
| 12:42.18 | superlinux | and run skype |
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| 12:42.35 | tapas | ah it#+s back |
| 12:42.36 | simonrvn | i'm sure the samba people know how much people want to get away from ad ... |
| 12:42.44 | Zeroth405 | there seems to be no ububtu channel on freenode. |
| 12:42.44 | redblades | Okay, I have an issue with DynDNS. I have a dynamic IP address, and I have a DynDNS hostname, but I am on a router, and I don't know how to make the debian dynDNS package send my external IP |
| 12:42.47 | superlinux | call skypeID "echo123" as your test user |
| 12:43.02 | simonrvn | Zeroth405: there is. |
| 12:43.02 | redblades | Zeroth405, yes there is |
| 12:43.02 | Tassium | Zeroth405: Er.. #ubuntu exists |
| 12:43.09 | redblades | He he he |
| 12:43.18 | heh_v_water | I seen the Active Directory setup On Mac OS X Tiger and what a neat setup.. can't wait for the Linux world to get something rolling |
| 12:43.19 | Zeroth405 | huh. must have been a typo |
| 12:43.26 | redblades | It must have been |
| 12:43.36 | simonrvn | like that one ^^^ ;) |
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| 12:43.50 | redblades | simonrvn, What one? |
| 12:43.55 | Zeroth405 | too many damn Us ;-) |
| 12:43.58 | Aap | god i forgot on WIN it always restarts after install |
| 12:44.00 | simonrvn | " there seems to be no ububtu channel on freenode." |
| 12:44.06 | simonrvn | ububtu |
| 12:44.16 | Aap | sry superlinux |
| 12:44.17 | redblades | Oh heh heh heh |
| 12:44.20 | liable | redblades: the use=web should do it.. |
| 12:44.42 | Aap | superlinux? |
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| 12:44.45 | redblades | Well, I'll check... remind me... where is the config file? |
| 12:44.46 | liable | redblades: google ddclient behind router |
| 12:45.24 | heh_v_water | Is debian done with the VLC player or is there some reason it's not in etch? |
| 12:45.58 | superlinux | what? |
| 12:46.15 | redblades | liable, where is the config file? |
| 12:46.17 | liable | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 12:46.17 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 12:46.26 | Aap | still want to explain superlinux? |
| 12:46.29 | liable | redblades: /etc/ddclient |
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| 12:46.44 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: The linux world has had AD for years and years in the form of OpenLDAP |
| 12:46.46 | charzero | My fonts are ugly. My fonts are big. I can't seem to use all the fonts that my FontPath points to. Is there documentation for fonts on debian with xorg 7 ? |
| 12:47.27 | superlinux | Aap, yes |
| 12:47.34 | christor | no ideas? |
| 12:48.03 | Aap | ok |
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| 12:48.06 | simonrvn | Arafangion: that's not ad, that's one component of it (and standards compliant ;) |
| 12:48.29 | redblades | liable, I just checked that file and it is rather bare |
| 12:48.53 | liable | redblades: well, its not really a complicated app.. |
| 12:48.54 | Arafangion | simonrvn: In that case, I'm pretty sure that the Mac OS X solution is only a few parts of it as well. |
| 12:49.06 | Arafangion | simonrvn: The samba folks are working on a good replacement. |
| 12:49.15 | simonrvn | yes they are |
| 12:49.21 | redblades | liable, I know, but I entered all the info it needed on install, so why isn't it in the file? |
| 12:49.34 | simonrvn | i've heard they're working on doing their own DS, based off OL |
| 12:49.42 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Nope. |
| 12:49.46 | liable | redblades: it doesnt have your hostnames and shit in it? |
| 12:49.54 | simonrvn | integrated into the whole thing. not sure if it' s true or not |
| 12:49.55 | Arafangion | simonrvn: They're doing everything from scratch, writing their own LDAP |
| 12:50.01 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 12:50.16 | Arafangion | simonrvn: it's pretty impressive, actually, but it's not production ready yet. |
| 12:50.17 | redblades | liable, no |
| 12:50.19 | simonrvn | i just hope they don't start using java in it ... |
| 12:50.19 | KimmoA | Can I check the same stats as my BIOS will give me about "PC health" (CPU temp., etc.) from within Debian? |
| 12:50.27 | Arafangion | simonrvn: They use javascript. |
| 12:50.34 | Tassium | KimmoA: Possibly. Check out lmsensors |
| 12:50.34 | liable | redblades: dpkg-reconfigure ddclient |
| 12:50.51 | Arafangion | simonrvn: They have an amazing web interface, and can do some stuff you cant do with MS's solution. |
| 12:50.52 | simonrvn | eh, not bad. you can at least optimise that |
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| 12:50.56 | KimmoA | :S |
| 12:51.02 | oxygen | hi |
| 12:51.05 | simonrvn | cool |
| 12:51.07 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: The Mac solution is complete top to bottom and has a really nice setup for configuration on the desktop |
| 12:51.42 | KimmoA | When should one worry about CPU temperature (in C)? |
| 12:51.43 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: What do they call it, so that I could look at it? |
| 12:51.45 | jelly-ho | KimmoA: also check out mbmon/xmbmon |
| 12:51.55 | Arafangion | KimmoA: When the case is hot to touch. |
| 12:51.57 | KimmoA | So... Which is better? ;) |
| 12:52.06 | Tassium | KimmoA: Depends on the CPU |
| 12:52.24 | KimmoA | The P4 reports 56-58 C in BIOS... |
| 12:52.27 | charzero | Why are my fonts duplicated in /usr/lib/X11/fonts and /usr/share/fonts? Which one should I use? |
| 12:52.34 | KimmoA | I assume it's at least a little more when working hard. |
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| 12:52.40 | redblades | liable, okay it worked this time |
| 12:52.44 | Arafangion | KimmoA: I've had a P4 tolerate up to 91 C :) |
| 12:52.45 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: I'm not sure off the top of my head I went though it for about 30 mins one day is all.. The Mac server had a single utility to adjust anything you wanted to with the server, it was like having a webmin on your desktop but complete |
| 12:52.51 | KimmoA | Arafangion: Hmm... sounds good. |
| 12:52.54 | Arafangion | KimmoA: It'd crash hard at 92 C, though |
| 12:52.55 | liable | redblades: set use=web and restart it |
| 12:53.03 | heh_v_water | not web based though |
| 12:53.13 | redblades | liable, should I just add "use=web" to the end? and how do I restart? |
| 12:53.35 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: Well, when I think AD, I think ldap and authentication. |
| 12:53.42 | liable | redblades: isnt it commented in the file? |
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| 12:53.47 | redblades | liable, or do I get rid of the "use if, if=eth0" ??? |
| 12:53.48 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: It is, afterall, a directory. |
| 12:53.50 | redblades | liable, no |
| 12:54.06 | redblades | liable, I used the debian version from apt |
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| 12:54.55 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: I do as well but I also would expect an AD server to be as robust as a Win AD Server.. (never thought I'd say that in here) |
| 12:55.00 | redblades | liable, how about you just tell me how to restart it |
| 12:55.10 | liable | redblades: yeah, remove use=whatver, and add use=web |
| 12:55.13 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: What do you mean by robust? |
| 12:55.15 | redblades | Okay |
| 12:55.37 | liable | redblades: /etc/init.d/ddclient restart |
| 12:55.40 | redblades | I see |
| 12:56.09 | redblades | liable, could you check it? |
| 12:56.10 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: Scripting, Automatic Software installation, DNS/DHCP synchronization and all without having to fight 10 configurations |
| 12:56.25 | liable | redblades: sure, paste it, without password.. |
| 12:56.29 | jelly-ho | how can I see build-depends without downloading the source package? |
| 12:56.30 | heh_v_water | something a little "clicky click clicky" |
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| 12:56.53 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: Oh, it already has that - for linux ;) |
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| 12:57.08 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: Show me where |
| 12:57.17 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: Naturally, the windows solution tends to go for windows - but I'm pretty sure that there are schemas for OpenLDAP to let it do that. |
| 12:57.38 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: Well, you can make DNS servers go to LDAP, you can script it, etc. |
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| 12:57.46 | redblades | liable, what password? |
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| 12:57.53 | jelly-ho | Arafangion: that's not clicky clicky. |
| 12:58.01 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: Sure with tons of earching, digging thru all kinds of bad info, blah blah.. I'm talking install AD server, manage it all no BS |
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| 12:58.16 | redblades | liable, http://www.redblades.homelinux.net |
| 12:58.20 | liable | redblades: um, you need a password for your account |
| 12:58.20 | aboyousif | liable, hi, how are you ? do you remember me ?! |
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| 12:58.32 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: No BS, except for when you want to handle non-microsoft systems? |
| 12:58.32 | liable | aboyousif: hi, good, and no i dont :) |
| 12:58.41 | redblades | uhh... liable, I meant check the site, to make sure it works |
| 12:58.57 | aboyousif | liable, that is ok :D |
| 12:59.09 | aboyousif | redblades, 403 Forbidden .. check your htaccess file |
| 12:59.09 | liable | redblades: denied, use a pastebot |
| 12:59.11 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: I think part of the problem is that windows and linux are VERY different. |
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| 12:59.52 | aboyousif | anyone know how to get foxit pdf reader on debian etch ? |
| 12:59.59 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: Let me put it this way.. what are the odds of a Windows Network Admin that is not a linux user being able to plop onto a Linux server with a current AD setup on it and go with what they know.. Point is the server is useless if some WinGeek doesn't liek the interface |
| 13:00.05 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: And what's ideal in a Windows network isn't as ideal on a Linux network. |
| 13:00.14 | redblades | aboyousif, htaccess file? |
| 13:00.22 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: That's a point. I think Novell has a "clicky clicky" solution. |
| 13:00.34 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: Novell is garbage |
| 13:00.48 | heh_v_water | IMHO |
| 13:00.58 | aboyousif | redblades, if i can understand this is a server error may be you deny to acess it so check your .htaccess file |
| 13:01.05 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: What are the odds of a Linux network admin that is not a windows user being able to plop onto a windows server and go with what they know :) |
| 13:01.09 | redblades | which is where |
| 13:01.18 | redblades | aboyousif, ?? |
| 13:01.28 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: Pretty high actually |
| 13:01.28 | aboyousif | redblades, in the root of the site . beside index.php |
| 13:01.36 | Dewi | Arafangion: I've spent a lot more time in windows than linux and AD has never made a single bit of sense to me... |
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| 13:01.39 | redblades | index.php?? |
| 13:01.47 | redblades | there is no index.php |
| 13:01.52 | aboyousif | redblades, what is the problem ? |
| 13:02.05 | redblades | It is blocked, how do I unblock it? |
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| 13:02.23 | liable | redblades: dude, just put on a paster |
| 13:02.25 | aboyousif | what is blocked .. what is your host aslan ? |
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| 13:02.58 | aboyousif | redblades, aslan = in origins .sorry for using arabic :( |
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| 13:03.27 | heh_v_water | The point is that a nice AD setup that is straight forward and fully windows compatible using linux would be a most positive thing for the open source community in my opinion |
| 13:03.28 | redblades | Oh okay |
| 13:03.39 | redblades | liable, put what on a paster? |
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| 13:03.54 | liable | redblades: your current ip on irc is different to the web one |
| 13:04.00 | liable | redblades: the ddclient conf |
| 13:04.05 | redblades | oh |
| 13:04.28 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: Well, we can look forward to Samba4 pulling it off, then. |
| 13:04.42 | aboyousif | liable, what do you mean by that ? |
| 13:04.48 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: Yup which is why you sparked me in the first place ;) |
| 13:04.56 | liable | aboyousif: what? |
| 13:05.02 | hoodlum | ok, so ive just got debian up and running, installed xmms, but i have no sound? i configured alsa earlier and had sound. restarted now i have none ;( |
| 13:05.17 | Tassium | hoodlum: Check to see if your sound drivers are still loaded |
| 13:05.18 | aboyousif | liable, the ip matter .. how could it affect the Access denied matter ? |
| 13:05.21 | DerJamster | hoodlum: check the mixer again. |
| 13:05.26 | liable | aboyousif: if he is ircing behind the same router as the wb server, then his dyndns needs to be updated |
| 13:05.30 | hoodlum | ok DerJamster |
| 13:05.35 | DerJamster | hoodlum: make sure alsa mixer settings get loaded at startup ;) |
| 13:05.42 | redblades | liable, http://pastebin.com/704265 |
| 13:05.43 | hoodlum | ahh good point ;) |
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| 13:05.49 | aboyousif | liable, does he use dyndns ? |
| 13:05.57 | phaedrus444 | hey hey |
| 13:06.00 | heh_v_water | hhodlum: i believe xmms uses oss by default, if you don't have OSS compatibility in Alsa you will need to either set up xmms to use also or install the compatibility |
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| 13:06.13 | aboyousif | liable, redblades , i thought homelinux is a hosting site :( |
| 13:06.14 | phaedrus444 | where would jre java runtime go once i extract it |
| 13:06.14 | heh_v_water | man my spelling is crap |
| 13:06.17 | plasmoduck | is there any special drivers I need to get for the ati radeon 9250? |
| 13:06.21 | aboyousif | liable, like awardspace |
| 13:06.40 | DerJamster | phaedrus444: just download the .run/.bin, install java-package and run make-jpkg thefile.run |
| 13:06.50 | DerJamster | phaedrus444: it will build a nice .deb you can install |
| 13:06.59 | phaedrus444 | cool thanks |
| 13:07.01 | redblades | liable I am aware there is a password |
| 13:07.03 | liable | redblades: that looks ok, /etc/init.d/ddclient restart, wait five and check it. |
| 13:07.35 | liable | who has a feed for the soccer? |
| 13:07.54 | phaedrus444 | so what do i do with this .bin DerJamster ? |
| 13:08.00 | aboyousif | liable, do you mean the world cup ? |
| 13:08.04 | fireba11 | liable you remind me ... :-) |
| 13:08.08 | liable | aboyousif: yeah, the oz game |
| 13:08.09 | hoodlum | w00t, it works ^_^ |
| 13:08.11 | phaedrus444 | i love football |
| 13:08.31 | aboyousif | Me too :D |
| 13:08.37 | redblades | liable, what is going on? there is no /doc/index.htm |
| 13:08.39 | fireba11 | liable aht language you searching a ticker in ? :-) |
| 13:08.52 | dimir | It's football, damn it! |
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| 13:09.27 | hoodlum | ok, now to my second problem, i have dl'd the nvidia.run file to install the display drivers, as i have a 6600gt and it isnt supported by the drivers in the xfree86 config thing |
| 13:09.28 | liable | redblades: huh? lets sort dyndns first, then get me a link for soccer, then we fix your server :P |
| 13:09.32 | hoodlum | so im on vesa drivers atm |
| 13:09.39 | hoodlum | i understand you need to shut down x to isntall the driver |
| 13:09.42 | liable | fireba11: english, i want a stream. |
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| 13:09.50 | hoodlum | but im unsure to how i do that |
| 13:10.00 | aboyousif | liable, sorry but i cann't understand what do you want exactly |
| 13:10.04 | Arafangion | How do I tell apt to NOT install a package? |
| 13:10.22 | plasmoduck | hey hoodlum |
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| 13:10.27 | pipeline | plasmoduck: No; just add "radeon" to /etc/modules and install the correct libGL package and off you go. |
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| 13:10.32 | redblades | liable, what's going wrong? |
| 13:10.36 | aboyousif | liable, btw: live now australia - japan |
| 13:10.36 | liable | aboyousif: a stream for the oz/japan soccer match on atm |
| 13:10.51 | hocus | hi, there a callerID application for debian ? |
| 13:10.56 | liable | aboyousif: sbs is the only channel my tv doesnt work on :( |
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| 13:11.05 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: echo "packagename hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 13:11.14 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: Thanks |
| 13:11.14 | liable | redblades: with what? |
| 13:11.37 | redblades | DynDNS |
| 13:11.42 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: echo "packagename install" | dpkg --set-selections << this lets the package install again |
| 13:11.46 | redblades | I don't understand what is going wrong |
| 13:11.55 | fireba11 | liable http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/# |
| 13:12.02 | KimmoA | Why is it that when I run aptitude (through PuTTY), I cannot select text (to copy it), and instead I am able to "click" as if I was sitting on the box locally?! |
| 13:12.13 | aboyousif | liable, it is different here in M.E. there is only one television and you should pay .. try to catch any european Broadcast .. may be they broadcast it |
| 13:12.26 | abrotman | KimmoA: which version of putty? |
| 13:12.33 | redblades | liable, http://211.27.120.96/ |
| 13:12.41 | KimmoA | abrotman: 0.58 |
| 13:12.42 | redblades | that is my current external IP |
| 13:13.10 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: http://rafb.net/paste/results/G0M7qL37.html |
| 13:13.17 | aboyousif | redblades, i think if you make a change of this picture it will work well :p |
| 13:13.29 | abrotman | KimmoA: i don't use aptitude .. but you should be able to select text if you drag them mouse over it |
| 13:13.35 | redblades | Don't like marilyn? |
| 13:13.52 | KimmoA | abrotman: No. I can't. I can do that on the CLI, though. |
| 13:13.54 | redblades | OS, why is it not altering to that? |
| 13:13.57 | aboyousif | redblades, don't know him aslan .. but i didn't like the pic :( |
| 13:14.09 | KimmoA | abrotman: I can CLICK on the things... and it interacts. |
| 13:14.11 | abrotman | KimmoA: let me try |
| 13:14.11 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: It's an odd one. |
| 13:14.14 | KimmoA | It's total madness. |
| 13:14.18 | liable | fireba11: i dont get any vision? |
| 13:14.24 | KimmoA | And if you don't use aptitude, then what do you use? |
| 13:14.35 | abrotman | regular apt-get |
| 13:14.36 | fireba11 | liable you wanted a ticker, not a live feed ^^ |
| 13:14.46 | abrotman | KimmoA: you're right .. can't drag |
| 13:14.47 | liable | fireba11: no i want vision! :) |
| 13:14.49 | KimmoA | Hard to get an overview with apt-get, isn't it? :S |
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| 13:14.57 | KimmoA | abrotman: And instead you can click on stuff? |
| 13:14.59 | aboyousif | KimmoA, try to use synaptic it is better |
| 13:15.01 | liable | redblades: i know, whats dyndns say now? |
| 13:15.04 | KimmoA | abrotman: And it will interact? |
| 13:15.16 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: 1 sec |
| 13:15.18 | redblades | liable, what do you mean? |
| 13:15.23 | redblades | what does the site say? |
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| 13:15.48 | redblades | Same thing |
| 13:15.55 | redblades | denied |
| 13:15.56 | liable | redblades: are you irc'ing from the same adderss as the web server |
| 13:16.05 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: seems you have already attempted to install udev and it failed |
| 13:16.13 | redblades | It's the same computer |
| 13:16.18 | redblades | So I guess so |
| 13:16.23 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: automatic upgrade. |
| 13:16.32 | liable | redblades: right, well your dyndns hasnt been updated yet |
| 13:16.33 | aboyousif | redblades, i think it take some time to get effect .. |
| 13:16.34 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: if you upgraded to etch you NEED udev |
| 13:16.43 | redblades | Oh, right 2 mins |
| 13:16.45 | abrotman | KimmoA: apt-get has no interface .. just commands |
| 13:16.45 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: I do, just not that version! |
| 13:17.02 | KimmoA | abrotman: I know what it is... |
| 13:17.12 | liable | redblades: what time did you have for updating? |
| 13:17.13 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: In any case, if udev is held back, the packages that need that newer version should be the ones that complain. |
| 13:17.14 | KimmoA | abrotman: So... don't you find this whole thing strange? |
| 13:17.17 | liable | 300?? |
| 13:17.26 | phaedrus444 | how do i make a .deb out of a .bin? |
| 13:17.28 | fireba11 | liable: there is no german stream at least ebcause FIFA sold IP-TV rights to german telekom and you need to pay for that :-( |
| 13:17.45 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: this may not be the right way to do it but use apt to remove it. If udev is half installed it needs to be removed, -f install tells it to fix half installed things |
| 13:17.54 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: Ugh. |
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| 13:17.58 | liable | fireba11: :( |
| 13:18.00 | Thomazzz | I come from #Windows, and where I come from defrags and disk clean ups are common, what sort of maintainance needs to be come on linux? |
| 13:18.05 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: removing it would also remove the current udev. |
| 13:18.09 | hocus | hi, there a callerID application for debian ? |
| 13:18.10 | liable | fireba11: so no live feeds anywhere? |
| 13:18.22 | abrotman | KimmoA: nope .. i'd call it good emulation |
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| 13:18.33 | KimmoA | abrotman: I call it annoying. :S |
| 13:18.34 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: yup probably then you will have to reinstall the right one |
| 13:18.36 | fireba11 | liable don't think so |
| 13:18.39 | KimmoA | abrotman: I wanna select text. |
| 13:18.41 | abrotman | try #worldcup guys |
| 13:18.47 | abrotman | KimmoA: why?> |
| 13:19.01 | KimmoA | abrotman: Um... to copy it? |
| 13:19.18 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: it probably already uninstalled the right one when it went to do the upgrade anyhow |
| 13:19.19 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: Ok, I'm doing that now :) |
| 13:19.38 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: Man, mixed systems are _fun_. |
| 13:20.02 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: I think it's goign to continue installing and upgrading the system, until it finally chokes on not having udev installed, before it will let me install it again! |
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| 13:20.13 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: I mix it up too a little bit to get what I want and yes it can cause problems.. i would never do this on a production server tho |
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| 13:20.34 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: let it finish up then fix the problem |
| 13:20.42 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: I downgraded a production server to stable once, but otherwise, I would always use stable on production systems. |
| 13:20.59 | Arafangion | heh_v_water: I was fortunate in that being an OLD sid server :) |
| 13:21.00 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: yes all my servers run stable |
| 13:21.24 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: yup cause it's packages could very well be older than stable if they are old enough |
| 13:21.31 | Arafangion | They were :) |
| 13:21.42 | Arafangion | Well, mostly older than either stable or testing. |
| 13:21.42 | abrotman | KimmoA: why? |
| 13:21.50 | ktwilight | is it just me, or mydomain.com isn't working? :/ |
| 13:21.56 | KimmoA | abrotman: ?! |
| 13:22.00 | Arafangion | And I'd rather a mixed stable/testing server than a mixed OLD sid/sid server |
| 13:22.05 | KimmoA | Because... I wanna copy it? |
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| 13:22.43 | hoodlum_ | so as i was saying, i want to install the nvidia drivers so i can have a better resolution, but i dont know how. |
| 13:22.48 | heh_v_water | Arafangion: we run testing on our gaming servers, everything always seems to work better until something gets broken :D |
| 13:22.49 | hoodlum_ | i need to disable xserver |
| 13:23.15 | darrh00 | Cpufreqd stops working after restoring from suspending to mem/disk?So strange |
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| 13:23.23 | heh_v_water-aWay | geezus did that post in here? |
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| 13:23.40 | liable | redblades: its the right ip now |
| 13:24.02 | redblades | YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 13:24.03 | Arafangion | heh_v_water-aWay: G'night. |
| 13:24.10 | redblades | I"M SO HAPPY! |
| 13:24.34 | redblades | liable, THANKYOU THANKYOU YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS MEANS TO ME |
| 13:24.34 | bahatpc | After a complete system lockup, OOo2 (backport) fails to start. I managed to pin-point the problem, disabling "use font antialiasing" in OOo2 reproduces the crash. Any ideas what could be going wrong? |
| 13:24.44 | redblades | I must depart now |
| 13:24.49 | liable | redblades: heh, np |
| 13:24.50 | redblades | Good night seattle |
| 13:25.08 | bahatpc | I'd be happy enough with a reply in the sort of "it's a java/fontmanager/etc thing" |
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| 13:26.15 | aboyousif | liable, japan made a gool now |
| 13:26.22 | aboyousif | liable, sorry for os :( |
| 13:26.42 | liable | i just seen :( |
| 13:26.51 | aboyousif | ok .. |
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| 13:27.11 | aboyousif | liable, the referee is egyptian .. lool |
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| 13:28.24 | iKernel | lyke omg i got nits |
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| 13:28.34 | blondie | iKernel: ewww |
| 13:28.43 | blondie | iKernel: quick, jump in a vat of acid |
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| 13:28.55 | ktwilight | this is not good. i can't access my domains :( |
| 13:28.56 | iKernel | blondie, they just litte bugs... no, that'd be stupid |
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| 13:29.23 | iKernel | ktwilight, trust me, head lice is much worse than not being able to access your domains |
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| 13:30.04 | blondie | iKernel: but they're just little bugs! |
| 13:30.09 | ktwilight | headlice isn't a biggie. just pour acid over your head! :P |
| 13:30.21 | iKernel | blondie, BUT THEY MAKE YOUR HEAD ITCHI AS HELL |
| 13:30.32 | ktwilight | hot water helps *nods* |
| 13:30.35 | hocus | hi, there a callerID application for debian ? |
| 13:30.39 | iKernel | itch di di scratch itch itch di di scratch... mcdonalds, mum, dad |
| 13:30.47 | blondie | iKernel: well sort it out |
| 13:31.08 | stoned | lol |
| 13:31.16 | stoned | you guys are friggin hilarious |
| 13:31.19 | iKernel | blondie, I'll have to wait till I wake up tomorrow to say: "Mum, I think I've god nits" |
| 13:31.23 | iKernel | stoned, hush |
| 13:31.27 | stoned | make me |
| 13:31.31 | blondie | iKernel: why? |
| 13:31.32 | iKernel | stoned, no |
| 13:31.38 | stoned | thats what I thought |
| 13:31.59 | stoned | I should change my nickname to iPoonani, would I get banned? |
| 13:32.01 | iKernel | blondie, Well, I don't know what to di about it. And no, I'm not taking any stupid suggestions such as acid or scalding-hot water. |
| 13:32.27 | ktwilight | not hot boiling water... |
| 13:32.33 | stoned | lice hate sugar |
| 13:32.36 | heh_v_water | hocuikernel: they make shampoos that kill em |
| 13:32.38 | blondie | iKernel: you should get a fine-toothed comb |
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| 13:32.40 | heh_v_water | dammit |
| 13:32.46 | stoned | its a konwn fact |
| 13:32.49 | ktwilight | maybe leeches can help ya out. suck it all out ya know. |
| 13:32.50 | heh_v_water | iKernel: they make shampoos that kill em |
| 13:32.51 | blondie | put conditioner in your hair, then comb them out |
| 13:32.53 | Aap | iKernel, just shave your head |
| 13:32.57 | iKernel | blondie, I'll get one of those static-electricity |
| 13:32.57 | ktwilight | but then maybe ya'll die from lack of blood |
| 13:32.58 | stoned | they hate sugar, and will leave your head if you soak in sugar water |
| 13:33.11 | iKernel | heh_v_water, I know, I've had nits before, I know the deal. |
| 13:33.11 | blondie | the shampoos aren't the best things to use |
| 13:33.20 | iKernel | blondie, I'll get one of those static-electricity combs |
| 13:33.24 | Aap | and iKernel where do you get that stuff anyway? |
| 13:33.32 | stoned | from poor people |
| 13:33.32 | CovInHer | Is this a discussion of lice? |
| 13:33.36 | stoned | hehe, j/k |
| 13:33.40 | iKernel | Covener, sure is |
| 13:33.50 | blondie | no, headlice are more attracted to clean hair than dirty :P |
| 13:33.50 | Aap | Covener, where is that? |
| 13:33.55 | iKernel | Aap, I don't know, maybe it was when Eric was bashing me up |
| 13:34.01 | CovInHer | I recently heard on the radio that some doctors prescribe cakeing your head in mayo to smother them before using the expensive shampoos |
| 13:34.07 | Aap | oh you're such a guy |
| 13:34.08 | ktwilight | lol |
| 13:34.11 | stoned | blondie, why do poor people smell? |
| 13:34.26 | *** part/#debian Pryon (n=Pryon@c-68-35-104-163.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 13:34.29 | blondie | because they don't change/wash clothes/themselves often? |
| 13:34.29 | stoned | kenny's family lives in the ghetto |
| 13:34.38 | stoned | the ghetttooo |
| 13:34.45 | Aap | aight brotha |
| 13:34.47 | iKernel | Covener, Sounds like a rediculous idea to me. |
| 13:34.55 | iKernel | CovInHer, , Sounds like a rediculous idea to me. |
| 13:35.08 | stoned | ridiculous |
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| 13:35.12 | blondie | sounds like a reasonable idea to me :P |
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| 13:35.23 | ram_einstein | it's my turn to laugh |
| 13:35.28 | mrmon | can you defrag/disk clean on linux? |
| 13:35.31 | Aap | iKernel, it should be typed like , ridikulaz (ghetto style) |
| 13:35.33 | ram_einstein | you guys are paranoid with a capital P |
| 13:35.42 | fireba11 | mrmon yes but yu don't need to |
| 13:35.48 | fireba11 | you shouldn't even |
| 13:36.07 | mrmon | fireba11, does any maintaince need to be done? |
| 13:36.19 | iKernel | Aap, no. |
| 13:36.24 | ktwilight | none whatsoever. |
| 13:36.26 | fireba11 | mrmon: usually no |
| 13:36.29 | Eclipser | I haven't done any maintenance for two years or so |
| 13:36.32 | ktwilight | the beauty of linux's filesystems... |
| 13:36.35 | Eclipser | back then I installed my system |
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| 13:36.54 | Aap | sometimes my ubuntu just crashes, i don't know why |
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| 13:36.59 | iKernel | mrmon, No, you can't defrag. Linux paritions don't NEED defragging; they don't frag in the first place. |
| 13:37.00 | Eclipser | !ubuntu |
| 13:37.00 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 13:37.41 | ram_einstein | !mad64 |
| 13:37.45 | ram_einstein | !amd64 |
| 13:37.45 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 13:37.46 | mrmon | iKernel, wait, if your able to not frag files in the first place, why does windows do so, it sounds silly/pointless? |
| 13:37.47 | Eclipser | there was a defragger for ext2 if I recall, but that's like ooold and probably won't even work |
| 13:37.47 | Aap | has lice also a channel? |
| 13:37.52 | iKernel | stoned, thanks |
| 13:38.32 | stoned | np |
| 13:38.34 | Aap | so Eclipser, if you use any "wrong" word in this channel you get this msg? |
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| 13:38.47 | Eclipser | Aap, :) |
| 13:39.08 | stoned | aap == word of respect for 'you' in URDU |
| 13:39.24 | Aap | URDU ? |
| 13:39.27 | Eclipser | mrmon, filesystem gets fragmented if it's nearly full |
| 13:39.30 | stoned | !ur |
| 13:39.31 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 13:39.39 | ktwilight | i think it's 'cuz of the journalling system, that's why ya don't have to defrag |
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| 13:39.42 | Eclipser | mrmon, otherwise it can reorganize itself |
| 13:39.51 | Aap | !aap |
| 13:39.59 | Aap | mmm |
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| 13:40.09 | Aap | it means ape in my language :d |
| 13:40.13 | mrmon | oh |
| 13:40.20 | mrmon | Thanks |
| 13:40.32 | rumpl | I am trying to install opera-static 8.54, but it has problems with dependencies, it says: opera-static depends on xlib6g (>= 3.3.6) | xlibs; and xlibs depends on xfree86-common, but I can't have xorg and xfree-common at the same time. what can I do? I'm on unstable, with a 2.6.8 kernel. thanks |
| 13:40.34 | stoned | languages are fun arent' they? |
| 13:40.35 | iKernel | mrmon, because windows is not as good as linux on the technical side of things. Sure, things work on windows outta the box guarentee, but that's just that side of things -- ntfs is shit, ip system is shit, ntoskrnl.exe is shit. But on linux, while things don't work outta the box all the time, and it can be more of a pain, it doesn't have a shit kernel, and doesn't have shit filesystems, and doesn't have shit ip system. |
| 13:40.37 | aboyousif | back |
| 13:40.41 | Aap | yeah |
| 13:40.47 | aboyousif | huh .. what is up ? |
| 13:40.49 | Aap | i'm learning thai too |
| 13:41.04 | Aap | but that's no fun |
| 13:41.10 | stoned | rumpl, don't install the deb, install opera tar binary |
| 13:41.15 | aboyousif | aap , tried arabic ? |
| 13:41.16 | mrmon | iKernel, and I have no regrets switching to linux. |
| 13:41.22 | rumpl | stoned, will try. |
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| 13:41.28 | iKernel | mrmon, Great! |
| 13:41.30 | Aap | no, i don't have an arabic girlfriend aboyousif :) |
| 13:41.34 | KimmoA | I just tried "halt". It doesn't seem to shut the damn thing off either... |
| 13:41.36 | Eclipser | I still use windows even though I use linux, they don't overcome eachother |
| 13:41.45 | KimmoA | (I don't have a monitor for the server.) |
| 13:41.48 | Eclipser | music creation for example is way superior on windows |
| 13:41.48 | aboyousif | Aap, thanks God :) |
| 13:41.49 | stoned | rumpl, just put it in ~/opera and then ./opera |
| 13:41.52 | Aap | lol |
| 13:42.04 | DerJamster | Eclipser: get a Mac. Reason's avaiable for it, too ;P |
| 13:42.06 | KimmoA | Is it safe to shut off the power after "halt"? |
| 13:42.14 | hocus | How do i make a telephone call in debian ? |
| 13:42.19 | Eclipser | DerJamster, true, but I already warezed them for windows :p |
| 13:42.22 | DerJamster | *g* |
| 13:42.31 | iKernel | mrmon, As time goes on, you'll get more used to linux -- used to the command line, the guis are easy to get used to, and know how to resolve common problems, and put up with linux when it's being a pain. |
| 13:42.35 | mrmon | I've love windows alot more if it didn't pointlessly freeze, I really hope they fix that in windows vista. |
| 13:42.35 | liable | hocus: get a voip client |
| 13:42.35 | KimmoA | SIGH. |
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| 13:42.42 | KimmoA | So fucking frustrating... |
| 13:42.44 | Eclipser | DerJamster, I'll probably get a macbook in a couple of years |
| 13:42.49 | Aap | i want photoshop for linux |
| 13:42.56 | KimmoA | The box won't TURN OFF... |
| 13:42.58 | liable | KimmoA: yes, its safe |
| 13:43.01 | aboyousif | Aap, use wine or gimp |
| 13:43.03 | hocus | i dunno want use voip just the analog modem |
| 13:43.04 | mrmon | *i'd |
| 13:43.11 | Aap | i don't linke the gimp |
| 13:43.11 | liable | KimmoA: you have acpi shits and acpid installed? |
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| 13:43.26 | Aap | *like |
| 13:43.41 | aboyousif | Aap, i've tried psd over wine and it was quite good .. not bad not like windows .. |
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| 13:43.57 | Aap | hehe i'll try |
| 13:44.20 | aboyousif | Aap, Good Luck ! |
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| 13:44.23 | mrmon | Switching to another question, I'm running a webserver, is there a api-get to simply install some sort of nice web interface to give me all the stats :P... I did it for phpmyadmin, works great, didn't need to touch a configuration file. |
| 13:44.34 | Aap | is Wine like VMware or seomthing? |
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| 13:44.43 | nixie | mrmon: awstats, webalizer |
| 13:44.51 | aboyousif | Aap, it is like crossover |
| 13:44.53 | KimmoA | liable: Enabled in BIOS, yes... |
| 13:44.59 | mrmon | nixie, any prefered more out of the two? |
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| 13:45.05 | KimmoA | (Default.) |
| 13:45.06 | liable | KimmoA: i mean kernel modules and acpid |
| 13:45.07 | nixie | mrmon: awstats by miles |
| 13:45.16 | aboyousif | Aap, http://www.winehq.org/ |
| 13:45.19 | KimmoA | liable: No fancy stuff... It's a default minimal installation. |
| 13:45.20 | mrmon | thats settles then, thanks nixie! |
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| 13:45.29 | Aap | yes aboyousif , i'm looking |
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| 13:45.45 | iKernel | lyke omg im hungry |
| 13:45.56 | rumpl | stoned, same problem, but now with the libqt3-mt package. |
| 13:46.08 | JoelR | hello.. anyone here has experience configuring tape backups in Debian? |
| 13:46.15 | liable | KimmoA: you got acpid installed? |
| 13:46.22 | liable | !eat iKernel |
| 13:46.31 | stoned | rumpl, install it |
| 13:46.33 | Aap | easy to install aboyousif? |
| 13:46.36 | KimmoA | liable: Um... no... not actively. |
| 13:46.36 | nixie | JoelR: i recommend setting up amanda |
| 13:46.42 | iKernel | !eat liable |
| 13:46.44 | stoned | rumpl, opera imo sucks anyway |
| 13:46.56 | JoelR | nixie: the problem is that i don't need a network backup solution.. |
| 13:47.00 | aboyousif | Aap, it is easy to me .. |
| 13:47.02 | KimmoA | stoned: !! |
| 13:47.07 | JoelR | nixie: in fact, i don't need to backup clients.. |
| 13:47.08 | rumpl | stoned, tried to install it, but it has the same dependencies problem |
| 13:47.14 | KimmoA | How dare you bad-mouth the only sane browser on Earh? |
| 13:47.17 | KimmoA | s/Earh/Earth/ |
| 13:47.23 | stoned | you need to shush |
| 13:47.33 | aboyousif | Aap, btw: i didn't use psd over it more than once |
| 13:47.35 | stoned | rumpl, which debian release are you using? |
| 13:47.41 | Aap | !slap aboyousif |
| 13:47.46 | Aap | hehe |
| 13:47.47 | rumpl | stoned, unstable |
| 13:47.54 | KimmoA | You'd have to be stoned to not like Opera... :S |
| 13:47.56 | Aap | *just tried the slapping aboyousif |
| 13:48.06 | aboyousif | Aap, easy man |
| 13:48.12 | stoned | rumpl, expect broken depeds, you're using unstable. Switch to stable |
| 13:48.28 | stoned | rumpl, it might be fixed in a few days it might take longer |
| 13:48.32 | stoned | who knows |
| 13:48.35 | rumpl | :) stoned ok thx. |
| 13:48.37 | stoned | rumpl, have you check the bts? |
| 13:48.46 | stoned | checked* |
| 13:48.52 | rumpl | no. |
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| 13:49.02 | nixie | JoelR: amanda can work fine for local backups. but if you need it simple.. |
| 13:49.02 | aboyousif | dpkg, what ? |
| 13:49.02 | dpkg | This! |
| 13:49.11 | stoned | rumpl, do you have apt-listbugs and changes installed? |
| 13:49.12 | christor | Please someone can help me to debug how to install vlc? Here the error message I have : http://pastebin.com/704315 |
| 13:49.15 | aboyousif | dpkg, bot ?!! |
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| 13:49.21 | stoned | !dpkg |
| 13:49.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg is I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get> <apt> |
| 13:49.39 | Aap | !stoned |
| 13:49.42 | nixie | JoelR: tar cvzf - / --exclude /proc --exclude /mnt | buffer -s 32k -m 24M -B -t -o /dev/nst0 |
| 13:49.57 | aboyousif | !Aap |
| 13:50.04 | Aap | hi :) |
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| 13:50.17 | superlinux | Aap, I ma back |
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| 13:50.26 | aboyousif | Aap, dpkg : unknown Aap |
| 13:50.26 | Aap | hi superlinux |
| 13:50.34 | Aap | hehe |
| 13:50.45 | Aap | !greet superlinux |
| 13:50.45 | dpkg | Bonjour, superlinux |
| 13:50.46 | JoelR | nixie: i installed debian with kernel vanilla 2.6.8 and i don't know if it already has support for tape backups or should i recompile the kernel |
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| 13:50.59 | nixie | JoelR: depends on your tapedrive |
| 13:51.04 | superlinux | thanks.. it's to us good after noon |
| 13:51.06 | aboyousif | Aap, you feed the dpkg ? |
| 13:51.18 | superlinux | that's why better to say assalam! |
| 13:51.21 | Aap | !feed dpkg |
| 13:51.25 | Aap | hehe |
| 13:51.27 | JoelR | nixie: ok, it's a HP ProLiant 350 Server.. |
| 13:51.39 | nixie | JoelR: probably a scsi drive. try modprobe st |
| 13:51.48 | stoned | it just means peace be upon you. say in whatever language, its the same |
| 13:51.51 | Aap | i'll stop |
| 13:52.14 | aboyousif | i will not :) .. |
| 13:52.20 | Aap | heh |
| 13:52.27 | faber3 | can i query a vmlinuz for its version? |
| 13:52.33 | JoelR | nixie: ok.. now what? |
| 13:52.35 | stoned | faber3, uname |
| 13:52.40 | aboyousif | stoned, what do you mean ? |
| 13:52.44 | stoned | faber3, uname -r |
| 13:52.47 | Aap | pff i have to study linux, but i'm tired |
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| 13:53.06 | faber3 | stoned: and the whole string, who compiled it etc. ? |
| 13:53.12 | aboyousif | Aap, study windows , it is easier and have alot of bugs |
| 13:53.16 | nixie | JoelR: now you can probably insert a blank tape and use the command i pasted. but i recommend reading up on it a bit. man mt. |
| 13:53.18 | stoned | faber3, the maintainer? |
| 13:53.25 | faber3 | stoned: yes |
| 13:53.26 | Aap | aboyousif, i studied that last week :s |
| 13:53.26 | petemc | faber3: cat /proc/version |
| 13:53.33 | stoned | faber3, apt-cachw show kernel_package_name_here |
| 13:53.39 | stoned | apt-cache show* |
| 13:53.45 | faber3 | stoned: like cat /proc/version, but for a vmlinuz on disk |
| 13:53.57 | hocus | How do i make a telephone call (no voip) in debian ? |
| 13:54.11 | stoned | faber3, a kernel not in use? |
| 13:54.20 | iKernel | Dodo! Dodo! Internet that FLYS!!!!1111one |
| 13:54.22 | faber3 | stoned: there is my own kernel running, and now i need to now which vmlinuz is running |
| 13:54.22 | Aap | hocus: put debian on your phone and call |
| 13:54.36 | hocus | Aap lol ;( |
| 13:54.38 | aboyousif | Aap, last week? . so you shouldn't start linux yet .. you should complete your hardcodre windows course before you begin to run tux .. |
| 13:54.38 | faber3 | hocus: what question is this? |
| 13:54.41 | mrmon | Any ideas where awstats installs to? I want to make a link to /var/www ... locate doesn't work, doesn't locate update by cron at 12 or something? |
| 13:54.54 | hocus | what program i need to maake and receive phone call ? |
| 13:54.54 | petemc | mrmon: dpkg -L package |
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| 13:55.01 | Aap | aboyousif, why would i do that |
| 13:55.07 | mrmon | **I used apt-get install awstats |
| 13:55.08 | Aap | !slap aboyousif |
| 13:55.20 | KimmoA | How can there be so many idlers here? |
| 13:55.24 | aboyousif | Aap, no not again |
| 13:55.32 | Aap | feel the pain |
| 13:55.36 | JoelR | nixie: ok, is there a paper or a document you could suggest me to read? i've read about amanda but i thought it's too much for what i need.. |
| 13:55.36 | blondie | KimmoA: quite easily |
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| 13:55.38 | aboyousif | !eat Aap |
| 13:55.41 | faber3 | for a k6, which linux-image should i pick? |
| 13:55.43 | stoned | for fucks sake |
| 13:55.45 | stoned | stop fucking with the bot |
| 13:55.46 | stoned | jeez |
| 13:56.07 | KimmoA | Why have a bot on a network with services? :S |
| 13:56.11 | aboyousif | stoned, this bot is busy at the moment try again later :) |
| 13:56.16 | blondie | KimmoA: because it doesn't do that same thing? |
| 13:56.19 | Tassium | KimmoA: dpkg is a knowledge bot, not an op bot |
| 13:56.23 | Aap | who fucked the bot? |
| 13:56.27 | KimmoA | Ah. Right. You query it for stuff. |
| 13:56.57 | aboyousif | ok .. i will stop playing with the bot :) .. |
| 13:57.03 | Aap | hehe |
| 13:57.09 | Aap | what did i say |
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| 13:57.56 | JoelR | nixie: if i insert a tape drive and do mt -f /dev/nst0 status it should give me any result right? |
| 13:57.56 | aboyousif | Aap, you said /!slap Aap |
| 13:58.03 | phaedrus444 | how do i create a .deb from a .bin i dont seem to have make-jpkg |
| 13:58.16 | Aap | aboyousif, it was a good thing to say that at the moment |
| 13:58.40 | aboyousif | Aap, thanks :( |
| 13:58.45 | stoned | !java package |
| 13:58.45 | dpkg | [java package] <replay> see java-package |
| 13:58.46 | faber3 | how can i check if a certain udp port is open on my machine (from remote) ? |
| 13:58.51 | stoned | !java-package |
| 13:58.51 | dpkg | hmm... java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 13:59.13 | Aap | fucking the bot... |
| 13:59.36 | aboyousif | Aap, pass it .. |
| 13:59.38 | iKernel | Who wants to play flightgear w/ me?? |
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| 13:59.47 | Aap | can i be the bot then? |
| 14:00.05 | Aap | (well not with the fucking, i'm not like that) |
| 14:00.07 | KimmoA | Flightgear? |
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| 14:00.14 | stoned | I want to grow up and be a bootloader |
| 14:00.16 | piratepenguin | in debian, if I update a package, does it download a whole new .deb or just the changes? |
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| 14:00.29 | Aap | i want to be a router |
| 14:00.29 | aboyousif | Aap, if you become the bot .. how could you do the !slap Aap ? |
| 14:00.34 | stoned | piratepenguin, whole package |
| 14:00.36 | Aap | nobody |
| 14:00.38 | faber3 | stoned: isnt there the new genuine .deb for java? |
| 14:00.40 | piratepenguin | stoned: thanks |
| 14:00.54 | stoned | faber3, I don't know |
| 14:01.00 | Aap | i'll slap you all, but won't say much :) |
| 14:01.19 | aboyousif | liable, |
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| 14:01.27 | aboyousif | Aap, shame you |
| 14:01.28 | liable | aboyousif: |
| 14:01.30 | Aap | in fact we all are bots in a way |
| 14:01.37 | stoned | lol |
| 14:01.48 | stoned | just saying nicknames randomly? |
| 14:01.48 | Aap | but i prefer a ro-bot |
| 14:01.55 | Aap | yup:) |
| 14:01.56 | stoned | liable, |
| 14:01.56 | aboyousif | what is up with the game ? |
| 14:02.01 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:02.06 | Aap | game? |
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| 14:02.20 | liable | stoned: |
| 14:02.20 | aboyousif | liable, oz - japan |
| 14:02.22 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:02.26 | stoned | stoned, |
| 14:02.29 | stoned | nm |
| 14:02.29 | iKernel | Aap, no, we have biological stuffs. zip-zap in your brain. and it's all very different to the way bots work. |
| 14:02.37 | liable | aboyousif: yes, i know we are losing |
| 14:02.39 | faber3 | stoned: piratepenguin: afaik, i installed sun-java5-jdk (or -jre). use apt-cache search java to see this |
| 14:02.41 | aboyousif | Aap, world cup 2006 |
| 14:02.42 | hocus | how do i check if debian recognizes my serial modem ? |
| 14:02.44 | Aap | oooooh |
| 14:02.47 | Aap | who is playing, |
| 14:02.48 | Aap | ? |
| 14:02.52 | mrmon | Hmm.. webalizer, "apt-get install webalizer" it asked where I wanted it and I put /var/www/webalizer but it contains a totel of zero files... what figures? |
| 14:02.57 | iKernel | omg!!! IS T3H AUS WINNING!?!?! |
| 14:02.58 | aboyousif | liable, i'm just asking .. i'm far from the tv now |
| 14:02.58 | Aap | the bots against brazil? |
| 14:03.00 | iKernel | omfg omfg! |
| 14:03.06 | Tassium | mrmon: You have to actually run webalizer to generate the reports |
| 14:03.08 | liable | aboyousif: still 1-0 |
| 14:03.14 | stoned | hocus, i dunno maybe hwinfo |
| 14:03.17 | stoned | hold on |
| 14:03.18 | aboyousif | Aap, remove bots from your mind |
| 14:03.19 | faber3 | hocus: now i know how you wanted to make you call |
| 14:03.20 | Aap | who is playing?? |
| 14:03.27 | mrmon | Tassium, can't just access a website? |
| 14:03.27 | aboyousif | Aap, we back to real world man |
| 14:03.36 | aboyousif | Aap, australia - japan |
| 14:03.38 | Aap | aboyousif, damn |
| 14:03.44 | faber3 | hocus: check dmesg for "tty". and then use "minicom" for playing with it |
| 14:03.44 | liable | mrmon: get awstats, though it had a horrible security problem, dont let that worry you :P |
| 14:03.46 | Aap | i bet 1-2 for japan |
| 14:03.57 | faber3 | hocus: do ATZ and then ATDT<yournumber> to dial |
| 14:04.05 | aboyousif | Aap, don't bet |
| 14:04.15 | mrmon | liable, I haven't got perl installed, I don't want to obtain a headake installing it :P |
| 14:04.19 | iKernel | omg no! |
| 14:04.23 | iKernel | aus is losing! |
| 14:04.25 | Aap | why ? aboyousif? |
| 14:04.36 | liable | mrmon: um, excuse me? you dont have perl installed? |
| 14:04.43 | mrmon | liable, no? |
| 14:04.46 | Aap | what did i say, japan will win (i saw it before on another channel :p ) |
| 14:04.52 | aboyousif | Aap, cause you cann't predict the result |
| 14:04.52 | Tassium | mrmon: I wasn't aware it was possible to have a Debian install without perl. Seems like even the base system depends on it. |
| 14:04.53 | mrmon | liiable, unless it came with the OS. |
| 14:05.00 | Aap | i'm a bot, i can |
| 14:05.11 | aboyousif | Aap, even bots cann't |
| 14:05.20 | killown | tmsnc have broken pipe when I send message to contact why? anyone help - me |
| 14:05.26 | Aap | well, i live close to Germany, so you guys will see it later if they win |
| 14:05.27 | hocus | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.28 | mrmon | Tassium, *installs awstats* |
| 14:05.32 | iKernel | omg they got it over the over side! |
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| 14:05.39 | iKernel | surrely this can't be live? |
| 14:05.45 | Aap | lol |
| 14:05.57 | Tassium | mrmon: Just, you know, don't be surprised if your box gets rooted. Seems like every time I check bugtraq there's another hole in awstats. |
| 14:06.04 | faber3 | can someone help me: |
| 14:06.06 | faber3 | yaird error: bad value in /boot/config-2.6.16-2-486: CONFIG_PAGE_OFFSET=0xB0000000 (fatal) |
| 14:06.06 | faber3 | mkinitrd.yaird failed to create initrd image. |
| 14:06.08 | phaedrus444 | damn...i did the fakeroot make-jpkg jre*.bin and i get error that "No matching plugin was found" |
| 14:06.10 | phaedrus444 | ? |
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| 14:06.31 | mrmon | Tassium, ... it doesn't seem worth messing up my system for awstats. |
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| 14:06.35 | faber3 | phaedrus444: use the .deb java. its in debian testing+unstable |
| 14:06.47 | aboyousif | liable, the best thing in the play is the referee .. right ? |
| 14:06.49 | mrmon | Tassium, know any secure ones? |
| 14:06.57 | phaedrus444 | oh...what do i add to sources.list ? |
| 14:07.05 | Aap | ok i'm off to eat |
| 14:07.21 | Aap | see you guys later, stoned, i'll see you in space |
| 14:07.22 | iKernel | my mum's friend Linda's husband use to play in the footy... not sure if it was this footy or aussie rules footy |
| 14:07.46 | liable | aboyousif: i have a really shitty picture of it, and no sound. i am not paying that much attention to it. |
| 14:08.20 | liable | iKernel: if you live in oz, and they said footy, its afl. |
| 14:08.28 | aboyousif | liable, it is ok ... but you should believe that the referee is the best thing in the match even if you didn't watch it :D |
| 14:09.03 | liable | unless theyre english |
| 14:09.03 | mrmon | liable, yeah! AFL |
| 14:09.03 | stoned | liverpool football! |
| 14:09.03 | stoned | foreva~! |
| 14:09.03 | aboyousif | liable, what is AFL ? |
| 14:09.03 | liable | mrmon: i hate afl |
| 14:09.03 | stoned | ehehe |
| 14:09.04 | aboyousif | !AFL |
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| 14:09.08 | liable | aboyousif: australian footballl |
| 14:09.08 | mrmon | liable, how about rugby? |
| 14:09.08 | faber3 | afterr my "apt-get install linux-image" failed with the above error, how can i retry ? |
| 14:09.20 | liable | mrmon: yeah, i like watching the origin |
| 14:09.21 | mrmon | "apt-get remove linux" |
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| 14:09.40 | aboyousif | liable, is it different than the normal football ? |
| 14:09.56 | mrmon | apboyousif, it has no real rules... |
| 14:10.08 | mrmon | aboyousif, none that I can see anyway.. |
| 14:10.17 | superlinux | guys a nice new joke in the #flood read it up |
| 14:10.19 | superlinux | NOW! |
| 14:10.30 | iKernel | liable, :P |
| 14:10.42 | iKernel | OMFG THEY COULD HAVE GOT A GOAL bit too high tho |
| 14:10.46 | liable | aboyousif: normal football = round ball?? |
| 14:11.03 | aboyousif | liable, yes the one we know .. |
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| 14:11.16 | aboyousif | liable, that like the world cup do now |
| 14:11.16 | liable | aboyousif: yes, very different |
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| 14:11.21 | faber3 | mrmon: well, the apt-get install linux-image had a problem generating the ramdisk. how can i retry to generate it? |
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| 14:11.34 | liable | aboyousif: more like grid iron, but still different |
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| 14:11.38 | superlinux | aboyousif, are you ka3k be 3ajawa ( cake with dates paste) |
| 14:11.43 | superlinux | ?? |
| 14:11.48 | iKernel | omfg what you pass it back for you f***ing noob you shoulda passed foward |
| 14:11.50 | heh_v_water | faber3: man mkinitrd |
| 14:12.10 | faber3 | heh_v_water: i just want run do the postinstall again |
| 14:12.25 | aboyousif | superlinux, ka3k be 3ajwa is a food ..so i'm not ka3k .. it is like biscuits or cake :) |
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| 14:12.40 | heh_v_water | faber3: I don't think it will do that |
| 14:12.52 | aboyousif | superlinux, if you mean i'm arabian .. yes i'm |
| 14:12.57 | faber3 | heh_v_water: do i need a ramdisk for standard IDE drives ? |
| 14:13.00 | mrmon | Whats the safest: Webalizer, AWStats or Analog? |
| 14:13.14 | superlinux | aboyousif, I am just kidding.. Agaba slweileh .. aboyousif !! |
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| 14:13.29 | superlinux | yes I am palestinian from lebanon |
| 14:13.32 | nixie | mrmon: all are, as long as you're on recent versions. |
| 14:13.55 | aboyousif | superlinux, welcome .. but what is slweileh ? |
| 14:13.57 | heh_v_water | faber3: You need an initrd image to boot.. right now if you attempted to boot with the new kernel it would probably fail |
| 14:14.00 | mrmon | Someone above said awstats had bigg problems |
| 14:14.30 | liable | mrmon: no, it had a fairly serious bug a while back. seems ok atm.. |
| 14:14.34 | nixie | mrmon: i run it on loads of servers. no problems. if you're chicken, ip restrict it or password protect it with .htaccess. |
| 14:14.43 | aboyousif | superlinux, from where in lebanon ? |
| 14:14.45 | superlinux | aboyousif, don tu remember the song called " aboyousif ka3k be 3ajwa!" |
| 14:14.49 | superlinux | saida |
| 14:14.55 | mrmon | nixie, yeah, good idea. |
| 14:15.07 | aboyousif | superlinux, i don't know this song really .. |
| 14:15.11 | faber3 | heh_v_water: ok "dpkg --configure linux-image..." did the trick, after editing the boot/config--.. file |
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| 14:15.16 | iKernel | was that yellow card to one of the aussies or to one of the japos? |
| 14:15.20 | superlinux | aboyousif, where are you from? |
| 14:15.22 | aboyousif | superlinux, i'm egyptian |
| 14:15.25 | superlinux | aha |
| 14:15.26 | mrmon | nixie, how do i start it :S Its in perl right? |
| 14:15.28 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:15.35 | iKernel | was that yellow card to one of the aussies or to one of the japos? |
| 14:15.41 | superlinux | I am founding member of the Lebanese LUG |
| 14:15.41 | Tassium | dpkg --purge debian-sports |
| 14:15.58 | aboyousif | superlinux, it is a great lug btw .. i like it alot |
| 14:16.05 | superlinux | aboyousif, this is my skypeID "ranixlb" if you need help |
| 14:16.14 | superlinux | call me when you find me |
| 14:16.15 | aboyousif | superlinux, i'm a member of eglug.org .. visit us |
| 14:16.21 | superlinux | I did |
| 14:16.25 | superlinux | nice one |
| 14:16.30 | aboyousif | thanks |
| 14:16.46 | nixie | mrmon: you dont start it. just configure it and open it through your browser |
| 14:17.23 | aboyousif | superlinux, www.aboyousif.net :) |
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| 14:17.29 | aboyousif | you are welcome here too |
| 14:17.38 | superlinux | thanks |
| 14:18.05 | liable | mrmon: you need to do some configuring of it, you cant just install it and it works.. safely anyway, unless you want everyone to be able to read your stats |
| 14:18.07 | superlinux | aboyousif, mine is http://ranix.coolfreepage.com |
| 14:18.18 | mrmon | nixie, okay |
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| 14:18.54 | aboyousif | superlinux, thanks .. |
| 14:19.00 | superlinux | welcomed |
| 14:20.21 | iKernel | GET A GOAL FFS! |
| 14:20.30 | aboyousif | superlinux, does it easy in lebanon to make festivales and install fests or it is like here ? |
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| 14:21.05 | superlinux | wallahi we got bored! |
| 14:21.10 | iKernel | superlinux, red on black, not black on red |
| 14:21.28 | superlinux | iKernel, what do you mean?? |
| 14:21.33 | superlinux | my site |
| 14:21.36 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:21.38 | mrmon | how can I update the locate command... its so annoying without it. |
| 14:21.46 | superlinux | I have never worked on it since ages |
| 14:21.49 | liable | mrmon: update-db |
| 14:21.54 | mrmon | thanks. |
| 14:22.09 | superlinux | iKernel, and it has a meaning to be like that |
| 14:22.29 | iKernel | superlinux, <body bgcolor="red"> <font color="red">LYKE OMG PUT TEXT HERE d00d</font> </body> |
| 14:22.33 | aboyousif | superlinux, try to get awardspace account and use textpattern for a blog .. |
| 14:22.44 | aboyousif | superlinux, it is better than a static page |
| 14:22.49 | iKernel | superlinux, you could host your own blog... linux is good f0r that |
| 14:22.51 | mrmon | liable, $ update-db "no command found" |
| 14:23.05 | iKernel | mrmon, try updatedb |
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| 14:23.15 | superlinux | aboyousif, that is just a simple html page |
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| 14:23.17 | liable | mrmon: sorry, miss the - |
| 14:23.21 | mrmon | iKernel, perfect thanks. |
| 14:23.21 | superlinux | no blogs no nothing |
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| 14:23.29 | superlinux | I am a simple guy |
| 14:23.38 | aboyousif | iKernel, you mean host your own blog on your pc ? |
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| 14:23.47 | iKernel | aboyousif, ya |
| 14:23.50 | aboyousif | superlinux, blogs made for simply guys .. like us :) |
| 14:23.52 | iKernel | OMG GET A GOAL |
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| 14:24.02 | iKernel | AW FUCK!! |
| 14:24.07 | superlinux | I hate to express everything |
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| 14:24.16 | aboyousif | iKernel, this mean to get a broadband connection and a full time working pc :) |
| 14:24.19 | weissi | hi, how is the $PATH in which sudo executes defined?? |
| 14:24.30 | superlinux | iKernel, who had a goal? |
| 14:24.36 | superlinux | what is the score? |
| 14:24.42 | iKernel | superlinux, no one... unfortuneatly |
| 14:24.46 | epsilon | 0: for japan |
| 14:24.48 | superlinux | LOL |
| 14:24.49 | epsilon | 0:1 |
| 14:24.57 | iKernel | JAP: 1 AUS:0 :'( |
| 14:25.02 | ski__ | how can i save session state (X, programs running, etc), and turn off computer, and later resume ? |
| 14:25.14 | weissi | (on machine a, e.g. sudo iwconfig works great and on machine b is says command not found) |
| 14:25.19 | iKernel | I'm going to be a fucking asshole bastart tormorrow if aus lose |
| 14:25.28 | iKernel | if they draw i'll be normal |
| 14:25.39 | iKernel | and if they win i'll be stupid happy |
| 14:25.40 | ricky_clarkson | iKernel: Australia will lose. |
| 14:25.50 | iKernel | omg free kick! |
| 14:25.52 | weissi | but the JAP goal was incorrect... (foul) |
| 14:26.06 | ricky_clarkson | omgwtfbbq |
| 14:26.07 | iKernel | >:( |
| 14:26.17 | superlinux | ALL of you read that joke on http://pastebin.com/704355 |
| 14:26.19 | iKernel | STUPID JAP BASTARD GOALIE |
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| 14:27.26 | iKernel | if australia lose I'll smuggle molativ cocktails into jpn |
| 14:27.30 | liable | iKernel: dude, its only a game. and a boring one at that! :P |
| 14:27.34 | weissi | no sudo experts??? |
| 14:27.35 | iKernel | and set 'em of |
| 14:27.43 | iKernel | weissi, sudo -s |
| 14:28.03 | epsilon | what's the matter with sude? |
| 14:28.04 | superlinux | iKernel, issue them /bin/laden !!! LOL! |
| 14:28.22 | weissi | iKernel, :-)) sudo dpkg-reconfigure says cmd not found |
| 14:28.23 | epsilon | .oO (1000 years old joke) |
| 14:28.30 | weissi | iKernel, (wrong PATH) |
| 14:28.50 | kspath | weissi: whereis whatis locate find |
| 14:28.55 | iKernel | weissi, whereis dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:28.56 | kspath | weissi: echo $PATH |
| 14:28.59 | epsilon | then add dpkg-reconfigure in your sudo config |
| 14:29.16 | aboyousif | superlinux, great joke :) |
| 14:29.23 | weissi | kspath, it is not in my $PATH, but sudo should add /sbin and /usr/sbin |
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| 14:29.55 | iKernel | 54365430986958430948958495849859485948594859485948594769480-3292-08490832938294852045308758476946754764365263765463783764678987538637538636364631111246568587576386386364364763636364765342424 <-- that's my password for my root account. Well, nearly. I've changed it here and there, it won't work :) but you get an idea of my pass |
| 14:30.01 | weissi | kspath, is makes no sense to execute /sbin/* /usr/sbin/* as ordinary user, but I'd like to run them with sudo |
| 14:30.56 | iKernel | superlinux, If I was that soldier who hid, I've scream at run away. |
| 14:30.56 | iKernel | I'd* |
| 14:31.00 | kspath | weissi: What is an ordinary user? ls and rm are not ok for ordinary users? specify full path at command line? |
| 14:31.08 | aboyousif | iKernel, you will not want to go to iraq ? |
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| 14:31.43 | epsilon | imagine ppl choose 100 digit password and the system is worth being rooted cause it's offline most time or nothing interesting on it |
| 14:31.52 | iKernel | aboyousif, I'd throw up if I descoveried that I was hiding under the skirt of a dude!!! |
| 14:32.08 | kspath | epsilon: 100 character? or 100 digit? |
| 14:32.09 | weissi | kspath, ordinary user=non root |
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| 14:32.16 | aboyousif | iKernel, hehehe |
| 14:32.22 | weissi | kspath, jeah but ls and rm are in /bin or built-in |
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| 14:33.22 | mrmon | Hmm.. is it just me or does apt-get remove not seem to remove that well, it left afew files. |
| 14:33.34 | iKernel | w0074g3 g0 4u5 g041!3 |
| 14:33.46 | iKernel | translation: wootage go aus goalie |
| 14:34.10 | kspath | weissi: I have no idea what you are trying to do. Did you read man sudo completely and fully? |
| 14:34.11 | RichiH | iKernel: i am not sure if soccer is on topic, but what i read in backlog is not appropriate |
| 14:34.26 | aboyousif | superlinux, i 've just added you to skype .. |
| 14:34.34 | iKernel | RichiH, sorry! |
| 14:34.39 | ski__ | hm .. i found 'hibernate' .. do i need to configure it or can i just run it (tm) ? |
| 14:34.57 | mrmon | Did everyone here start out on windows, or migrate from another OS? |
| 14:34.59 | iKernel | RichiH, my country is playing kthanks bye |
| 14:35.04 | mrmon | **linux |
| 14:35.14 | RichiH | iKernel: no reason to ridicule the other nation kthx |
| 14:35.17 | weissi | kspath, yes, I just want programs in /sbin and /usr/sbin to be executed by typing sudo prog-name, e.g. sudo iwconfig not sudo /sbin/iwconfig |
| 14:35.43 | liable | ski__: well, to hibernate you need kernel support, but if that part is set up, it mostly justs works |
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| 14:36.02 | ski__ | liable : ok, i'll try then .. |
| 14:36.10 | hocus | hi , someone uses VideoLAn (vlc) ? |
| 14:36.11 | epsilon | just add /sbin and /usr/sbin in your path, it won't kill the system |
| 14:36.21 | liable | ski__: read the configs |
| 14:36.25 | nixie | hocus: #videolan |
| 14:38.07 | weissi | epsilon: I did it, but on my other system it works without... |
| 14:38.54 | ski__ | liable : which do you mean ? |
| 14:39.12 | liable | ski__: /etc/hibernate/hibernate.conf |
| 14:39.35 | liable | ski__: and /usr/share/doc/hibernate/ |
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| 14:39.49 | liable | oh yay |
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| 14:40.23 | _gus_ | hi guys |
| 14:40.44 | AKX | Heya, I'm having a problem with SSH public-key authentication: namely ssh -vvv says that "debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /root/.ssh/id_rsa" (the public key is copied over to the remote host alright). What's the problem? (I've been struggling with this for days now.) |
| 14:40.56 | _gus_ | anyone know how to limit download rate in apt-proxy ? |
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| 14:42.14 | superlinux | ITS A GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
| 14:42.23 | superlinux | AUSTRAILA |
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| 14:43.09 | liable | yay!!!!! |
| 14:43.22 | aboyousif | liable, congrats ya man |
| 14:43.28 | Ronin | hate all you people watching the world bup right now :( |
| 14:43.36 | liable | aboyousif: :) |
| 14:43.40 | superlinux | iKernels they should make peace with you now!!! LOL! |
| 14:44.30 | aboyousif | superlinux, i think he leaved |
| 14:44.36 | superlinux | ok ok |
| 14:44.43 | superlinux | 5aleena hina! |
| 14:44.58 | superlinux | ok |
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| 14:45.12 | aboyousif | ok .. as you like |
| 14:46.07 | superlinux | they nickname Australia as I know Aussi, right? |
| 14:46.42 | weissi | 2:1 |
| 14:46.48 | weissi | aus 2, jpn 1 |
| 14:46.53 | liable | wooohoooo |
| 14:47.00 | aboyousif | second goal ? |
| 14:47.01 | aboyousif | when ? |
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| 14:47.13 | weissi | 89:20min |
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| 14:47.27 | aboyousif | weissi, woow .. |
| 14:47.32 | aboyousif | killing time :D |
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| 14:48.52 | weissi | 3minutes to go... |
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| 14:49.24 | abrotman | aboyousif: try #worldcup .. please |
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| 14:49.30 | abrotman | weissi: #worldcup |
| 14:49.42 | weissi | 3:1 |
| 14:49.46 | weissi | abrotman, sorry! |
| 14:49.51 | weissi | i'll stop |
| 14:49.58 | aboyousif | weissi, 3 ? |
| 14:50.13 | kspath | !poop |
| 14:50.16 | nevyn | whoooo |
| 14:50.19 | nevyn | 3:1 |
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| 14:50.21 | bnoji | can anyone recommend a good HDD/RAID card combo? I just had the worst time with 2 WD drives |
| 14:50.27 | aboyousif | abrotman, sorry .. |
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| 14:50.37 | aboyousif | guys .. no more worldcup |
| 14:50.55 | nevyn | CMON.,.. |
| 14:50.57 | nixie | bnoji: i bought a promise SATA tx4 card + 4x320GB WDs for about 550 euros last week. works well. |
| 14:51.12 | bnoji | I have a 1210SA, havent had it working yet. |
| 14:51.12 | nixie | bnoji: software raid though. get 3ware if its production stuff. |
| 14:51.21 | nevyn | 1210's suck |
| 14:51.32 | bnoji | I know they do. |
| 14:51.41 | liable | bnoji: i got a working one. |
| 14:51.52 | nevyn | my worst expierience with linux has been with a 1210 |
| 14:52.19 | bnoji | seems like the hard drives might be part of the problem. |
| 14:52.37 | bnoji | Adaptec says its probably the error recovery in the drives |
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| 14:53.28 | kspath | bnoji: firmware or checksums? |
| 14:53.30 | superlinux | guys if you are an arab tell me I wanna count how many arabs are Linux users currently |
| 14:53.56 | superlinux | in a /msg would best |
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| 14:54.42 | beefcake | lol |
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| 14:54.51 | bnoji | kspath: degraded array after rebooti |
| 14:54.57 | iKernel | F**K YEAH!!!!!!! |
| 14:55.17 | bnoji | I didnt even bother to verify it. |
| 14:55.21 | superlinux | iKernel, they should make a peace treaty with you now! LOL! |
| 14:55.23 | iKernel | YOU WERE WRONG!!! AUSSIES WON!!! UNBER-F**KINGLEVABLE |
| 14:55.31 | abrotman | iKernel: #worldcup |
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| 14:55.57 | superlinux | abrotman, what if it were worldbottle!? LOL! |
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| 14:56.04 | abrotman | superlinux: don't be an ass |
| 14:56.17 | superlinux | tayyeb ok ok...whatever |
| 14:56.18 | kspath | !poop on iKernel |
| 14:57.34 | aboyousif | superlinux, they don't know tayyeb here :D |
| 14:57.42 | bnoji | Does that sound like a drive issue? |
| 14:57.43 | supaman | hi, I just installed linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 here and it wont boot, tells me that it cant find /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/modules.dep (it is there, booted into 2.6.12 and found it where it is supposed to be) and allso that sbin/init cant open a dev/console |
| 14:57.52 | supaman | any way to fix this? |
| 14:57.57 | superlinux | aboyousif, I know that some don't |
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| 14:58.11 | aboyousif | superlinux, tayyeb .. loool |
| 14:58.12 | opnsrc | hey everyone |
| 14:58.20 | opnsrc | When I did a apt-get upgrade it gave me an error with rhythmbox |
| 14:58.22 | aboyousif | hey opnsrc |
| 14:58.28 | bnoji | They said because they dont have the error retry timeout, its causing the drives to drop from the array because the controller thinks it stopped responding. |
| 14:58.30 | superlinux | aboyousif, but I will appear |
| 14:58.31 | opnsrc | so I did an apt-get remove rhythmbox and it gives me another error |
| 14:58.36 | superlinux | *it |
| 14:58.49 | aboyousif | superlinux, what do you mena ? |
| 14:58.50 | bnoji | so when i reboot it says the array is degraded |
| 14:58.51 | aboyousif | mean* |
| 14:58.57 | opnsrc | subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 Rhythmbox |
| 14:59.16 | opnsrc | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:59.19 | opnsrc | Should be the second line |
| 14:59.20 | opnsrc | How do I fix this? |
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| 14:59.33 | superlinux | aboyousif, it'll be clear... |
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| 14:59.54 | supaman | opnsrc: which version of debian are you using? |
| 15:00.01 | bnoji | I'm trying to figure out whether i should replace the controller first, or replace the drives first. |
| 15:00.11 | opnsrc | test I think |
| 15:00.14 | superlinux | aboyousif, Alas! stop it.. gonna make a scandal.. |
| 15:00.16 | superlinux | LOL! |
| 15:00.16 | opnsrc | the one right after sarge |
| 15:00.20 | abrotman | opnsrc: check the bts |
| 15:00.33 | aboyousif | !scandal |
| 15:00.36 | opnsrc | How would I upgrade the debian version |
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| 15:00.43 | supaman | opnsrc: bts = bug tracking system |
| 15:00.55 | aboyousif | opensrc apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:00.59 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 15:01.03 | aboyousif | !dist-upgrade |
| 15:01.03 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 15:01.34 | opnsrc | doesn't an apt-get upgrade automatically do an apt-get dist-uptrade |
| 15:01.44 | abrotman | no |
| 15:01.50 | opnsrc | See, I never actually knew that |
| 15:01.50 | Maulkin | opnsrc: No, read "man apt-get" |
| 15:01.50 | abrotman | opnsrc: man apt-get |
| 15:01.55 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 15:02.13 | opnsrc | So my debian is prehistoric and I didn't know |
| 15:02.14 | opnsrc | :( |
| 15:02.21 | superlinux | how can convert my debian system to full AMD64 debian system without reformatting and by using APT ? |
| 15:02.26 | abrotman | superlinux: you can't |
| 15:02.31 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:02.31 | opnsrc | just get a new kernel ? |
| 15:02.37 | abrotman | he wants pure64 |
| 15:02.41 | opnsrc | What's the difference, just the kernel |
| 15:02.48 | supaman | opnsrc: what dose cat /etc/debian_version tell you? |
| 15:02.50 | abrotman | it's pure64 |
| 15:03.01 | superlinux | abrotman, correct that's what I want pure 64 |
| 15:03.02 | opnsrc | still upgrading the dist |
| 15:03.29 | opnsrc | I would probably have to restart? |
| 15:03.33 | bnoji | What's a decent 2-port, SATA I/II RAID-1 card? |
| 15:03.50 | opnsrc | You know, I see PCIE is getting popular. What's the transfer rate on that? |
| 15:03.52 | supaman | opnsrc: if a new kernel is installed then you have to restart, else you shouldnt |
| 15:03.52 | bnoji | I onyl have space for 2 HDD's |
| 15:03.56 | opnsrc | I know AGp is like 2.1 GB/S |
| 15:04.03 | hocus | Apart "asterisk" and "mgetty" there's an utility to make/answer/block phone calls (NOT VoIP) ? |
| 15:04.11 | opnsrc | well I think I'm going to restart then, just to be sure |
| 15:04.17 | abrotman | opnsrc: ask #hardware |
| 15:04.22 | aboyousif | guys .. why Blogtk is not working on xfce ? |
| 15:04.23 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 15:04.34 | aboyousif | even that i run gnome services |
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| 15:06.00 | superlinux | abrotman, what makes my distro download the 32bit apps and not 64? that what amases me! |
| 15:06.11 | abrotman | superlinux: because you installed the 32bit version |
| 15:06.15 | superlinux | how does it know? |
| 15:06.22 | opnsrc | now I got an error (at the end of the dist upgrade) that says |
| 15:06.23 | opnsrc | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/zope not found. |
| 15:06.30 | superlinux | there is smoe thing that tells apt that! |
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| 15:06.45 | superlinux | I think that is the logic |
| 15:06.48 | abrotman | superlinux: dpkg-architecture |
| 15:06.53 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:06.58 | Shadowcat | superlinux: ya it's called.... wait for it, the whole darn userland |
| 15:07.04 | aboyousif | superlinux, your kernel is 386 not 86_64 |
| 15:07.18 | abrotman | he can have a 64bit kernel and a 32bit userland |
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| 15:07.45 | Shadowcat | that too |
| 15:07.52 | Shadowcat | but vice versa won't work |
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| 15:08.38 | superlinux | all that I know |
| 15:09.08 | opnsrc | ok, thanks |
| 15:09.15 | opnsrc | I guess apt-get dist-upgrade fixed all the problems |
| 15:09.16 | opnsrc | thanks so much |
| 15:09.19 | opnsrc | It gives no more errors |
| 15:09.30 | aboyousif | opnsrc, congrats |
| 15:09.33 | opnsrc | (sheesh, I learn something new all the time) |
| 15:09.35 | kspath | opnsrc: congratulations! |
| 15:10.01 | aboyousif | opnsrc, in linux we always learn :) |
| 15:10.10 | opnsrc | heh |
| 15:10.13 | superlinux | but from what dpkg-architecture outputs means I can redownload and mess with the ENV vars! |
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| 15:10.24 | abrotman | superlinux: it won't work |
| 15:10.25 | superlinux | but I won't do it on a live system |
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| 15:17.09 | madclicker | i need some info on amavisd-new and etch? |
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| 15:20.40 | abrotman | info? |
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| 15:22.00 | bnoji | I want to run a truck through a company building, but im not sure who yet. Adaptec, Dell, or WD |
| 15:22.16 | du_ | i have network problems (iptables though)..slow, internet connection, slow apt..what can i do? |
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| 15:24.02 | mate` | hello :) |
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| 15:26.40 | grumbel | after a dist-upgrade yesterday, fonts in multiple applications (emacs, fox-toolkit) started to look really bad (to small, badly rendered, like scaled bitmap fonts or so), does anybody know why? |
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| 15:26.53 | opnsrc | Ok, back |
| 15:26.56 | opnsrc | sorry |
| 15:27.21 | du_ | grumbel, i have that fonts on firefox..dunno how to fix that |
| 15:27.25 | opnsrc | Well, if I try to load a .mov file with nautilus (or any video player) it just freezes |
| 15:27.29 | opnsrc | It used to work fine |
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| 15:27.43 | opnsrc | So I figure maybe it's a permissions problem. I login as root to see if it'll work there and I get an error that says |
| 15:27.43 | charzero | grumbel: xorg 7 decided to move the font locations, and screw up your xorg.conf and fonts.conf |
| 15:28.07 | heh_v_water | grumbel: actually if your using kde you can adjust the gtk fonts in control center granted you installed the dtk stuff for it |
| 15:28.19 | heh_v_water | oops gtk stuff^ |
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| 15:28.43 | abrotman | bnoji: dell |
| 15:28.43 | charzero | heh_v_water: Will the kde control center work to change fonts if you're not actually running KDE? |
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| 15:29.02 | Rippey | thanks azeem , i began crazy yesterday when i got an artsd crash popup every 5 sec ;) |
| 15:29.08 | Rippey | oups |
| 15:29.25 | CovInHer | XFT_DEBUG=255 yourgtk2app will tell you what fontconfig decisons are being made. maybe you were/are running under gnome-settings-daemon and were/weren't before? |
| 15:29.38 | Rippey | the up + enter was on the wrong windows |
| 15:29.53 | heh_v_water | charzero I have no clue, possibly if your desktop uses some KDE components maybe |
| 15:30.18 | du_ | i have network problems (iptables though)..slow, internet connection, slow apt..what can i do? |
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| 15:31.25 | charzero | linux sure ain't ready for the desktop. |
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| 15:31.56 | cahoot | charzero: the or my? |
| 15:32.15 | Shadowcat | anybody know any active IRCOps? |
| 15:32.28 | activat0r | hi Shadowcat |
| 15:32.30 | nixie | !ops |
| 15:32.30 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 15:32.38 | Shadowcat | nixie: not for this channel |
| 15:32.41 | charzero | cahoot: anybody who doesn't want to manually configure fonts in 4 different ways to not have hideous huge fonts in all their programs. |
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| 15:32.45 | Shadowcat | someone is flooding #windows at the moment |
| 15:32.49 | opnsrc | error: artsmessage CPU Overload, aborting (ok) |
| 15:33.34 | charzero | cahoot: And I really shouldn't blame Linux. I think the blame rests on X. |
| 15:33.37 | opnsrc | sorry |
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| 15:33.50 | opnsrc | it says, error: artsmessage Sound server fatal error, CPU overload, aborting (ok) |
| 15:34.13 | cahoot | opnsrc: are you really sure you want artsd anyway? |
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| 15:34.15 | heh_v_water | another way to adjust the fonts, i think this is the thing that goes to kde control center too not sure but.. gtkfontsel |
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| 15:34.56 | opnsrc | I have no idea what artsd is |
| 15:35.00 | opnsrc | I just want the thing to work |
| 15:35.04 | charzero | heh_v_water: [xg]?tkfontsel only shows some fonts. GTK and QT can see a whole lot more. |
| 15:35.08 | opnsrc | How do I choose something else then? |
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| 15:35.29 | heh_v_water | charzero: yah once you get the option incontrol center it will use any KDE font |
| 15:35.45 | ChrisW | why are man pages, like that for update-rc.d, so impenetrable :-/ |
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| 15:35.55 | cahoot | opnsrc: disable it in control center and see if you miss any functionality (besides 'system sounds') |
| 15:36.07 | opnsrc | well, how do I get to the control center? |
| 15:36.12 | bnoji | How are SIIG products generally? |
| 15:36.28 | cahoot | opnsrc: you *do* run kde? |
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| 15:36.43 | opnsrc | sorry |
| 15:36.55 | opnsrc | I haven't used this in a while |
| 15:37.23 | cahoot | opnsrc: you run kde? |
| 15:37.33 | bnoji | I need to find a sata raid1 controller and Dell says the only one they tested with our system (max 2 drives) is a 6 port controller |
| 15:37.47 | opnsrc | Yeah |
| 15:37.50 | opnsrc | Well I have gnome and KDE on this |
| 15:37.58 | opnsrc | Oh, so this sound error is a kde based error |
| 15:37.59 | bnoji | wtf would you even bother putting the 6 port controller in the 2 drive system (and only test that controller) ? |
| 15:38.16 | cahoot | opnsrc: artsd id kde's 'sound server' |
| 15:38.52 | cahoot | opnsrc: it's been known to cause problems before |
| 15:39.32 | opnsrc | well, besides system sounds, would sound work in general? |
| 15:39.52 | cahoot | opnsrc: yes that doesn't depend on artsd per se |
| 15:39.58 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 15:40.20 | opnsrc | I should have done this in a nested window |
| 15:40.28 | cahoot | opnsrc: you know what alsa module you use? |
| 15:41.12 | ChrisW | am I right in thinking ./rc2.d/S20postgresql would be started before ./rc2.d/S90zope_simplistix? |
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| 15:42.02 | opnsrc | Ok, I disabled it |
| 15:42.05 | opnsrc | Uhm.... I have no clue |
| 15:42.07 | opnsrc | how do I check? |
| 15:42.24 | cahoot | opnsrc: lsmod|grep snd might tell |
| 15:42.36 | opnsrc | thanks |
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| 15:43.10 | abrotman | bnoji: for swraid or hwraid ? |
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| 15:43.33 | abrotman | !tell bnoji about sata faq |
| 15:43.35 | opnsrc | what am I looking for? |
| 15:43.39 | opnsrc | It lists a bunch of stuff |
| 15:43.43 | itguru | Hi abrotman - how you doing? |
| 15:43.47 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:44.07 | itguru | Anyone in here from london - we got a massive heatwave going up here |
| 15:44.11 | abrotman | bnoji: the first link tells you a bit about them |
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| 15:44.22 | jonathan` | I originally installed sendmail through apt-get.. but it either hasn't started up automatically on reboot, or it's just not working anymore -- I've tried to find / | grep to find the file to restart the daemon, but I can't seem too -- any suggestions? |
| 15:44.25 | abrotman | itguru: oh yeah .. i heard. .. 23C .. woohoo .. that's sooo frreaking hot .. .us weather |
| 15:44.29 | abrotman | errm .. try .us weather |
| 15:44.38 | Supaplex | jonathan`: /etc/init.d/ |
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| 15:44.47 | jimmybgood | libsdl1.2 debian FTBS after linux-kernel-header upgrade |
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| 15:44.58 | itguru | abrotman - Yeah, the weather is great, it's fried my brain, which is leading me on to my question! |
| 15:45.05 | jimmybgood | should i file bug against headers or sdl? |
| 15:45.08 | abrotman | itguru: you guys are wussies |
| 15:45.21 | abrotman | jimmybgood: huh? |
| 15:45.38 | mike23d | When i plug in my pc card (notebook pc) lan card to my sarge system, it recongnizes the card but then fails with a message from shpchp:acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID Fail=0x1001 |
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| 15:45.43 | dererk | hi all! |
| 15:45.48 | abrotman | itguru: i'm sure it will hit 35C this summer |
| 15:45.51 | jimmybgood | I upgraded linux-kernel-header and libsdl1.2 debian doesn't build from source |
| 15:45.52 | abrotman | in philly anyways |
| 15:45.56 | Supaplex | let's file a class auction lawsuit against the media for promoting global warming! yea, that's it. ;) |
| 15:46.03 | Supaplex | action* |
| 15:46.12 | itguru | 35? Evian water is gonna have a field day! |
| 15:46.18 | abrotman | of course .. i like it hot .. so i don't mind |
| 15:46.25 | blondie | o.O |
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| 15:47.03 | abrotman | i generally don't go do stuff outside until it's 75-80 |
| 15:47.07 | abrotman | Supaplex: i barely use it |
| 15:47.38 | dererk | do you know how could I list packages installed but just receiving the full package name (not using dpkg -l) |
| 15:47.43 | dererk | ? |
| 15:48.07 | jonathan` | hmm.. all of the emails are "Deferred" when I do a mailq |
| 15:48.18 | itguru | Oh yeah, before i forget - I got a webserver here that is serving 20 sites, really well, we're using portforwarding which as we all know, we can only forward one port to one machine at a time. IIRC, is it not possdible to have another machine actually host the sites, and have apache forward the requests to it, so that we can host another webserver behind the same firewall, without screwing everything up? |
| 15:48.44 | abrotman | dererk: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 15:48.49 | dererk | :0 |
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| 15:49.10 | abrotman | dererk: and then use awk if you just want package names |
| 15:49.13 | dererk | abrotman, thanks a looooot! didn't know that! :) |
| 15:49.16 | dererk | yes yes |
| 15:49.29 | abrotman | or .. dpkg --get-selections might be of some use |
| 15:49.32 | dererk | the problem was I didn't receive the full name |
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| 15:49.40 | dererk | thanks :) |
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| 15:50.33 | kfirb | hi guys, I've downloaded the .iso file of the sarge dist. I've checked the .md5 sum and it matches. my only problem now, is how to verify the signature of the MD5SUMS file ??? |
| 15:50.49 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 15:50.57 | abrotman | you want to verify the md5 of the md5sum file ? |
| 15:51.11 | armadill0 | That blows my mind |
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| 15:51.20 | abrotman | kfirb: would you then like to verify the md5 of the md5 of the md5sum file ? |
| 15:51.23 | dererk | kfirb, there's a file containing the MD5sums usually on the same directory |
| 15:51.27 | jonathan` | where is the configuration file for sendmail located? |
| 15:51.32 | abrotman | /etc/ ? |
| 15:51.37 | dererk | hehe |
| 15:51.54 | kfirb | I have gpg installed, however when I try gpg --verify it says i don"t have the public key |
| 15:51.59 | kfirb | where do i get it? |
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| 15:52.03 | abrotman | kfirb: /topic |
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| 15:52.42 | ChrisW | out of interest, what goes in rcS.d? |
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| 15:53.06 | opnsrc | well apparently the sound works fine because I just played a wav file |
| 15:53.17 | opnsrc | but if I try to double click the speaker it give me an error that says |
| 15:53.17 | alexbodn | it's activate when you go in single user |
| 15:53.28 | cahoot | ChrisW: try the readme in the dir |
| 15:53.43 | dererk | abrotman, It works! Great! Thanks :D |
| 15:53.48 | abrotman | dererk: enjoy |
| 15:53.57 | dererk | I do ^^ |
| 15:54.00 | kfirb | so there is no way I can really verify these .iso were made by Debian guys? |
| 15:54.08 | abrotman | that's what the md5sum file is for |
| 15:54.11 | opnsrc | Error Failed to start volume control: Failed to execute child process "Gnome-volume"control" (no such file or directory) |
| 15:54.16 | kfirb | I mean, I dled them from some server in germany |
| 15:54.23 | ChrisW | cahoot: wonders will never cease... I'd never have expected a readme there.. |
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| 15:54.35 | opnsrc | it used to have a set of different volume settings |
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| 15:55.31 | alexbodn | i replaced dnsmasq with dhcp3-server, and now i have no dhcp. how should i debug this? |
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| 15:57.35 | blondie | alexbodn: you replaced a dns server with a dhcp server? |
| 15:57.52 | Aap | hi, i want to use cron to schedule something. So i use cron -e, but always when i add something there and i open it again, i can't see the job anymore |
| 15:58.02 | alexbodn | dnsmasq is dhcp and dns forwarder |
| 15:58.02 | kfirb | it says it was signed by key ID : DSA key ID 88C7C1F7 |
| 15:58.20 | kfirb | how am I supposed to get the key from ? |
| 15:58.23 | alexbodn | dnsmasq is dhcp server and dns forwarder |
| 15:58.36 | blondie | oh |
| 15:58.55 | alexbodn | sounded funny, i admit |
| 15:59.47 | alexbodn | do you use dhcp server? |
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| 16:01.27 | Aap | hi, i want to use cron to schedule something. So i use cron -e, but always when i add something there and i open it again, i can't see the job anymore |
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| 16:01.37 | roe | does anyone know where I can get info on intel SATA chipset support? whether or not it is supported and where in the pipeline it is? |
| 16:01.46 | blondie | Aap: did you save? :P |
| 16:01.50 | Aap | yeah |
| 16:02.30 | sep | Aap, are you doing cron -e as the same user ? |
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| 16:02.41 | Aap | but i found another way, i just make a file in /var/spool/cron with the name of the user. and in that file i put the job. But he deosn't do it |
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| 16:04.13 | Aap | so you can do it by 2 methods , 1) put file in /etc/cron.d and 2) put the file in /var/spool/cron |
| 16:04.16 | Aap | is that true? |
| 16:05.23 | jiriki | crontab -e maybe |
| 16:05.43 | Aap | well that was my first question jiriki |
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| 16:05.55 | Sjasa | hey |
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| 16:06.53 | alexbodn | how can i debug non responsive dhcp3-server? |
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| 16:08.24 | Sjasa | i have a problem with my apt source.list i want to update them to the most packages have heard about apt-setup but there are no pakages called that so is there a source generator online or a easy way to get a list of sources? |
| 16:08.32 | petemc | alexbodn: check syslog |
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| 16:09.22 | alexbodn | dhcp-server loads, but shows nothing, since the server doesn't report |
| 16:09.52 | alexbodn | doesn't respond, maybe doesn't listen |
| 16:10.42 | heh_v_water | alexbodn did you set up the configuration for your subnets and hosts? |
| 16:11.10 | alexbodn | yes, it's a copy from another working machine |
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| 16:12.27 | petemc | alexbodn: whats in /etc/default/dhcp ? |
| 16:12.39 | alexbodn | eth1 |
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| 16:13.09 | alexbodn | INTERFACES="eth1" |
| 16:13.12 | opnsrc | Is there a way I can just re - install the whole OS |
| 16:13.35 | opnsrc | When I try to run a sound file mov file in either KDE or Gnome it says, CPu overload error |
| 16:13.37 | opnsrc | It never did that before |
| 16:13.38 | Ronin | opnsrc: yep put in disk 1 and reboot |
| 16:13.44 | opnsrc | and I hardly have anything |
| 16:13.48 | opnsrc | Well I don't want to re - format |
| 16:13.51 | Ronin | course you will wipe everything there |
| 16:13.53 | opnsrc | or delete any data files |
| 16:13.54 | jonathan` | I'm checking the mailq via /etc/init.d/sendmail, and it's telling me the last e-mail was refused because of a Dynamic IP... I checked the sendmail configure file in /etc/mail, but I didn't see anything about it... is there some other place to configure this? |
| 16:13.58 | grencez | quick q, i configured my display settings wrong, any newbish way to autodetect and write the right settings? |
| 16:14.09 | opnsrc | maybe if I changed kernels it'll fix it? |
| 16:14.18 | USMarine | grencez, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:14.30 | heh_v_water | in sarge it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in etch it's xserver-xorg |
| 16:14.45 | grencez | thanks |
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| 16:15.58 | cherwin | lol |
| 16:16.06 | USMarine | -_- |
| 16:16.14 | USMarine | whats soo funny? |
| 16:16.36 | cherwin | nothing, somebody told me that if i said lol here that a bot would do something funny |
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| 16:16.53 | benjamindees | opnsrc, does your sound card work at all? |
| 16:16.59 | opnsrc | yeah |
| 16:17.02 | opnsrc | I mean I can play a wav file just fine |
| 16:17.09 | opnsrc | But a mov file no longer works |
| 16:17.14 | opnsrc | and I hardly have anything loaded |
| 16:17.23 | opnsrc | It says CPu overload a |
| 16:17.24 | USMarine | mov file is played with quick time |
| 16:17.33 | opnsrc | I tried playing it with a couple things |
| 16:17.35 | benjamindees | opnsrc, oh I thought it might be arts, but you say it happens in gnome too, so I guess not |
| 16:17.46 | opnsrc | I'm going to try another kernel |
| 16:18.03 | benjamindees | opnsrc, is it mplayer? |
| 16:18.25 | opnsrc | I tried Noatun |
| 16:18.31 | benjamindees | ugh |
| 16:18.44 | opnsrc | kaboodle |
| 16:18.52 | Aap | is there a file with all my users in it? |
| 16:18.58 | opnsrc | Totem |
| 16:19.03 | opnsrc | With Totem it gives another error |
| 16:19.18 | alexbodn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.20 | opnsrc | "You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file." |
| 16:19.25 | opnsrc | uhm... should have tried it with Totem first |
| 16:19.48 | benjamindees | opnsrc, I'd get xine working first |
| 16:20.00 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 16:20.05 | benjamindees | opnsrc, then use either totem or kmplayer |
| 16:20.13 | brosio | which program could i use to show assembly istruction of c compiled file ? |
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| 16:20.37 | opnsrc | xinetd ? |
| 16:20.59 | grencez | - i believe it's called for... THANK YOU... that was drivin me mad |
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| 16:21.39 | FromTO | hybernate halts when making atomic copy. |
| 16:22.10 | benjamindees | opnsrc, no, xine-ui |
| 16:22.24 | opnsrc | Thanks |
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| 16:30.09 | incorrect | hello, has anyone here got any sort of NTLM auth working with apache? |
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| 16:30.53 | benjamindees | why in gods name would you want to do that? |
| 16:30.56 | alexbodn | has anybody an idea of debugging dhcp server? |
| 16:31.23 | FromTO | does anyone here has suspend2 working? hibernate halts when it says doing atomic copy. Any ideas |
| 16:31.44 | incorrect | benjamindees: was that addressed to me? |
| 16:31.51 | benjamindees | incorrect, yes |
| 16:32.05 | incorrect | benjamindees: well why in gods name do you think i would want to do that? |
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| 16:32.43 | jimmy_89 | having some problems configuring my wireless wep settings atm |
| 16:33.06 | jimmy_89 | 2 things, 1) How do i input a passphrase wep key, 2) How do input it as key#2 ? |
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| 16:34.18 | [TK]D-Fender | Hello all, I'm new to Debian but have worked for the past few years with Slackware. I see that the distribution CD set is aover 10 discs.... how many of these do I really need for a typical LAMP / desktop environment? Enough for a pretty decent based before having to hunt things down with APT. |
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| 16:34.49 | thingfish | [TK]D-Fender: probably only the first two. |
| 16:34.58 | alexbodn | disk1 is more than enough |
| 16:35.04 | thingfish | and maybe even just the first one, if your needs are real simple. |
| 16:35.29 | thingfish | [TK]D-Fender: if you have a fast connection, just get the netinstall cd. |
| 16:35.35 | [TK]D-Fender | I'd expect all the base Devel stuff (GCC, mak, core, etc), X + Gnome & KDE, and LAMP on tops. |
| 16:35.43 | benjamindees | incorrect, user authentication? but it'd be easier to just force a username/pass and make a cookie |
| 16:35.46 | USMarine | [TK]D-Fender, ket the business disk |
| 16:35.57 | USMarine | you'll install what you want from the net thereafter |
| 16:36.12 | [TK]D-Fender | thingfish : I don't want to download that much for a quick start.... Yeah I've got broadband everywhere, but I want to be able to do more of a drop-in.... |
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| 16:36.44 | thingfish | and there are 14 cds, not 10. ;) |
| 16:36.50 | [TK]D-Fender | So basically the first 2 disks covers the "base" of what one would expect from a basic distro set? |
| 16:36.54 | nixie | [TK]D-Fender: if the default stuff isnt gonna cut it, check out dotdeb.org for more up to date LAMP packages. |
| 16:36.54 | benjamindees | incorrect, and cross-platform, and more secure... |
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| 16:37.02 | [TK]D-Fender | thingfish : I said "over" didn't I? |
| 16:37.06 | USMarine | the 1st cd in by far enough |
| 16:37.13 | dererk | Any idea how could I say apt-get to exclude a package from installing it? |
| 16:37.26 | USMarine | apt.conf ? |
| 16:37.27 | dererk | something link --exclude=package or somehting like that |
| 16:37.27 | thingfish | [TK]D-Fender: oh yes you did, sorry ;) |
| 16:37.34 | [TK]D-Fender | USMarine : Covers the aspects I mentioned? |
| 16:37.43 | incorrect | benjamindees: well i don't want users to have to login again, seeing as firefox supports it its good enough for me |
| 16:37.57 | [TK]D-Fender | thingfish : I have I believe the previous release downloaded (mostly)... |
| 16:38.16 | USMarine | is there any problem by installing those from the internet after the base system is set ? |
| 16:38.25 | [TK]D-Fender | thingfish : so I don't want to take forever to get the next one needing only the first 2 discs.... |
| 16:38.41 | thingfish | right |
| 16:38.49 | [TK]D-Fender | USMarine : Time & badwidth, plus remembering all the bits required.... |
| 16:39.08 | [TK]D-Fender | USMarine : I don't want to have to remember a tons of packages just to get a base up. |
| 16:39.15 | USMarine | if you get those disc, you might dl stuff you wont need |
| 16:39.30 | thingfish | [TK]D-Fender: the first two should get you gnome and kde and most normal workstation apps. |
| 16:39.36 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm used to just installing EVERYTHING on my Slack setups, and adding maybe 4 packages on top of it and being "set". |
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| 16:39.58 | [TK]D-Fender | thingfish : Adding devep + basic server apps, I'd be cool with that... |
| 16:40.09 | thingfish | [TK]D-Fender: still should be covered. |
| 16:40.32 | [TK]D-Fender | ntpd, sendmail, samba, LAMP, etc. |
| 16:40.42 | USMarine | [TK]D-Fender, there are meta packages which will tow everything |
| 16:40.52 | USMarine | you dont have to remember much |
| 16:40.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Cool... thanks for the pointers guys... I'll get downloading. |
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| 16:41.17 | [TK]D-Fender | USMarine : Much for me to learn about Debian still... I'll probably goof a few times, and it |
| 16:41.31 | USMarine | debian will ask you what will you use the pc for |
| 16:41.41 | [TK]D-Fender | ll be harder because I use my home server for Asterisk and as a router for my home LAN. |
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| 16:42.16 | USMarine | my router is a linksys |
| 16:42.31 | USMarine | which a pretty good device and easier to mantain |
| 16:42.34 | signuts | Hey folks, I am running testing but my system claims it can't install mplayer! |
| 16:42.36 | [TK]D-Fender | So netinstall won't exactly work without a base having to install my ADSL drivers, etc.... |
| 16:42.41 | KimmoA | This heat... How can it be? |
| 16:42.50 | USMarine | signuts, got the mirror working? |
| 16:43.05 | signuts | USMarine, I don't follow.. |
| 16:43.11 | KimmoA | [TK]D-Fender: What the heck is an "ADSL driver"? |
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| 16:43.31 | USMarine | ahve you got a mirror who has that package? |
| 16:43.34 | [TK]D-Fender | USMarine : I run exposed services and do it directly off ADSL with a Sangoma S518 PCI card. Saves me extra BS wiring and better control |
| 16:43.36 | USMarine | which* |
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| 16:44.03 | incorrect | benjamindees: might just be easier to use IIS to proxy the REMOTE_USER to apache |
| 16:44.07 | USMarine | roger |
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| 16:44.19 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : Sangoma S518 ADSL PCI card. needs a Kernel module to be compiled, loaded, then RP-PPPOE setup on the interface. |
| 16:44.30 | KimmoA | o_O |
| 16:44.48 | KimmoA | Am I thinking of the wrong ADSL acronym? |
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| 16:44.55 | signuts | USmarine, I don't think I do. apt-cache search returns no results. apt-get install mplayer returns errors. |
| 16:44.57 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : EASY fun stuff, and I SUCK at Linux and did it with Slackware jsut fine :) |
| 16:45.09 | USmarine | signuts, www.apt-get.org |
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| 16:45.22 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : Asynchronous Digital Subscriber Line. As in a broadband connection.... |
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| 16:45.28 | benjamindees | ...there are pci ADSL cards |
| 16:45.31 | KimmoA | [TK]D-Fender: It doesn't matter what tech your connection uses, as the networking cable is always the same... :S |
| 16:45.31 | opnsrc | Ok, apparently the movie works fine with Xine |
| 16:45.44 | KimmoA | What exactly is that card? |
| 16:45.52 | opnsrc | but I still can't hear anything. I can't adjust the volume from the speaker on the bottom right tray |
| 16:45.53 | signuts | USmarine, thanks, I didn't realize |
| 16:45.55 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: it does if it has to dial the modem from Linux |
| 16:46.04 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : I plug RJ11 in DIRECTLY TO THE CARD. NOT ETHERNET. |
| 16:46.09 | USmarine | btw, any1 knows the mirror for the java development kit |
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| 16:46.25 | KimmoA | Errr... |
| 16:46.27 | Shadowcat | [TK]D-Fender: you gotta forgive KimmoA, he's a little slow |
| 16:46.29 | KimmoA | I... see. |
| 16:46.31 | opnsrc | (which seems to be the problem). I keep getting, error, failed to start volume control: failed to execute child process "Ghone-volume-control" (No such file or directory) |
| 16:46.47 | [TK]D-Fender | That card supports ATM, SDSL (I believe), ADSL, and a few other protocols. |
| 16:46.48 | LabThug | Anyone know what the equivalent package for perl's HTML::Template is on Sarge? |
| 16:46.48 | Shadowcat | [TK]D-Fender: what exactly is the problem? |
| 16:46.49 | KimmoA | I assume that you've only got one computer since you're using this fucked up solution... |
| 16:46.51 | Shadowcat | missing module? |
| 16:47.02 | signuts | USmarine, i'm running testing, how do I add these repositories w/o messing up my system? |
| 16:47.10 | LabThug | or where apt stores the list of packages installed on a system? |
| 16:47.20 | USmarine | sources.list ? |
| 16:47.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Shadowcat : No, jsut that doing a Netinstall for Debian would be more challenging since I'd need to install that card before HAVING network capabilities :) |
| 16:47.37 | Shadowcat | [TK]D-Fender: netinstall sarge? |
| 16:47.39 | signuts | USmarine, I'll give it a shot. Thx |
| 16:47.55 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : No, I have PC's behind my server. As I told you its my internet GATEWAY |
| 16:47.59 | KimmoA | [TK]D-Fender: So... considering all the cons of this setup, why do you use this? |
| 16:48.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Shadowcat : Correct |
| 16:48.12 | Shadowcat | [TK]D-Fender: try using netinstall etch, and if that doesn't work, download the required packages, and compiling a kernel with a base install |
| 16:48.28 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: if you're not gonna help him, don't criticize him |
| 16:48.32 | raf256 | ijsgutenprint: the version of Gutenprint software installed (5.0.0-rc3) does not match the PPD file (5.0.0-rc2). <--- what in the fucks name is that |
| 16:48.50 | Shadowcat | not everyone has to conform to your "idealistic world view" |
| 16:48.52 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : The PCI card? Saves on a lot of wiring, and being direct to the interface bypasses bandwidth control issues VS ethernet>MODEM>ADSL |
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| 16:49.41 | [TK]D-Fender | Shadowcat : Didn't think it could come with Sangoma Wanpipe support included.... I could probably open up an SSH session while its runningto install in-line, but that would suck at best. |
| 16:49.55 | NestorReloaded | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 16:50.18 | NestorReloaded | hello everyone |
| 16:50.22 | benjamindees | [TK]D-Fender, if you need a lot of -dev packages, get the first four cds; otherwise, one or two will do fine |
| 16:50.25 | NestorReloaded | anyone that use python? |
| 16:50.29 | [TK]D-Fender | I consider taking my ADSL connection DIRECT to my box the "ideal" personally. No games, funny wiring, extra boxes to support, etc... |
| 16:50.51 | [TK]D-Fender | benjamindees : Yeah, I probably do need quite a few, bison, etc.... |
| 16:51.01 | [TK]D-Fender | ben, so now I'm up to 4 :) |
| 16:51.03 | benjamindees | [TK]D-Fender, I mean headers |
| 16:51.08 | KimmoA | [TK]D-Fender: Well... ideal if you have the funky hardware needed. :S |
| 16:51.27 | [TK]D-Fender | benjamindees : Those too.... kernel headers / source, the works... its going to be a "compile box" for sure... |
| 16:51.31 | KimmoA | Plus, you get the weird box for free from the ISP anyway... though it might be doing some weird unknown stuff. |
| 16:51.39 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : I do.. a single PCI card :) |
| 16:52.17 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : Not free in these parts.... and I HAD one! I took it out of the picture because of the massive wiring mess keeping it cause me. My card works gloriously. |
| 16:52.36 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : We can provider-hop till the cows come home for the selection we have here.... |
| 16:53.02 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : So yeah and ISP can sell you a modem but its a rip-off VS going retail which is what smart people do. |
| 16:53.08 | KimmoA | [TK]D-Fender: How do you connect the other boxes through the server? |
| 16:53.31 | KimmoA | My ISP doesn't give you a choice... it includes the box in the deal. |
| 16:53.39 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : for THAT I have the NIC run my class-C subnet and DHCPD and IPTABLES |
| 16:53.45 | KimmoA | :O |
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| 16:54.16 | KimmoA | I guess this is good for hardcore geeks who only have a couple of boxes. |
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| 16:54.53 | KimmoA | I used to have the ISP box, a switch and a router between some boxes in an old setup... hehe. |
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| 16:55.15 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : Actually no, my setup is advantageous to those who want tight bandwidth control on the box. ADSL over enthernet->Modem has pipe/queueing concerns. |
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| 16:55.40 | KimmoA | I have wondered for quite some time how my "weird ISP box" does QoS and such... |
| 16:55.40 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : Because my card is direct piped its more functional to work with. |
| 16:55.58 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : QoS is a pipe-dream once you hit the net.... |
| 16:56.16 | KimmoA | I would like access to the box. |
| 16:56.27 | KimmoA | It would be nice to see realtime stats and see how much bandwidth you waste. |
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| 16:56.32 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : Howevers using QoS on a server like mine guarantees things in/out of your own LAN at least. |
| 16:57.02 | [TK]D-Fender | My box is pretty basic really and I'm not taking full advantage of it as I described yet. |
| 16:57.18 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm running * + IPTABLES for forwarding, witha a few other services.... |
| 16:58.09 | KimmoA | Then again, I also like stable ones... :S |
| 16:58.55 | KimmoA | Maybe we should've talked about this in #off-topic or #hardware. |
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| 16:59.39 | [TK]D-Fender | One key reason for switching to Debian is I'm finding my Slackware auto-updates keep killing X. I use it as my HTPC as well, and plan on switching from TV-OUT to DVI-HD. |
| 16:59.56 | Shadowcat | KimmoA just likes to argue with anything that doesn't conform to his view |
| 17:00.20 | KimmoA | Slackware and auto-updates? :S |
| 17:00.40 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: and for someone who hates windows I find it very comical that you use :S, which is definately something from MSN |
| 17:01.01 | KimmoA | I thought it was the distro for the masochists... |
| 17:01.15 | KimmoA | Shadowcat: Um... what? |
| 17:01.17 | Shadowcat | [TK]D-Fender: if you're running debian testing/unstable there might come stuff that'll knock out X as well |
| 17:01.21 | KimmoA | I use Windows. What are you talking about? |
| 17:01.32 | tarzeau | i also use windows! |
| 17:01.44 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: you also criticize it every chance you get |
| 17:01.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Shadowcat : I hear "testing" (etch?) was typically on par with most distro's "stable" |
| 17:01.57 | KimmoA | Things that suck must be criticized. |
| 17:02.03 | Shadowcat | [TK]D-Fender: right now X is one hell of a mess in Testing/Unstable |
| 17:02.07 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: that would include you then |
| 17:02.12 | [TK]D-Fender | KimmoA : You're just asking for it now you know :) |
| 17:02.17 | KimmoA | :S |
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| 17:02.24 | KimmoA | (Best smiley ever.) |
| 17:02.29 | tarzeau | yeah! |
| 17:02.29 | Shadowcat | [TK]D-Fender: I'm the op that banned him over at efnet |
| 17:02.36 | Shadowcat | and he got my ISP banned across half of efnet |
| 17:02.40 | Shadowcat | (We share the same isp) |
| 17:02.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Shadowcat : I can live just fine with "stable" What KDE is it up to in there? |
| 17:02.43 | tarzeau | KimmoA: i've got some funny animated pictures in MSN... |
| 17:02.52 | KimmoA | Yeah... I'm ashamed for having the same ISP as you... |
| 17:02.55 | Shadowcat | so I have every right in the world to go off on him |
| 17:03.02 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: then get another one |
| 17:03.13 | KimmoA | Shadowcat: You do that, public flametroll... |
| 17:03.24 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: yet you're the one they ban everywhere |
| 17:03.37 | Shadowcat | actually they just ban *!*@*.bredbandsbolaget.se because of you |
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| 17:03.59 | KimmoA | I wish Opera will implement /ignore soon... :/ |
| 17:04.11 | tarzeau | KimmoA: tried links2 yet? |
| 17:04.23 | KimmoA | tarzeau: I don't know... maybe. Why? :S |
| 17:04.30 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: one easy way to get rid of me, leave the channel |
| 17:04.38 | tarzeau | KimmoA: try it, it's great, fast, nice with keyboard only |
| 17:04.43 | KimmoA | Shadowcat: Or you can stop following me around. I have NFI who you are. |
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| 17:04.58 | oxsa | hi |
| 17:04.58 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: oh but you forget, he doesn't run linux, he runs Windows, which he criticizes all the time |
| 17:04.59 | oxsa | all |
| 17:05.06 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: i run windows too |
| 17:05.09 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: err I was in here way before you knew freenode even existed |
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| 17:05.09 | oxsa | How can i add new group that my user |
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| 17:05.16 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: right now, with itunes and msn and internet explorer |
| 17:05.17 | oxsa | i cant use su command |
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| 17:05.31 | oxsa | so ... i added wheel group new user |
| 17:05.32 | Shadowcat | oxsa: you can't use su? |
| 17:05.36 | oxsa | yes |
| 17:05.38 | Shadowcat | are you sure you have that installed? |
| 17:05.42 | tarzeau | oxsa: newgrp wheel |
| 17:05.43 | oxsa | my user cant use su command |
| 17:06.06 | wut | he's not in the wheel group |
| 17:06.08 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: I can show you around 10-15 months of flaming from KimmoA, all about Windows |
| 17:06.18 | Shadowcat | yet he still runs it |
| 17:06.25 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: that's fine, i also flame about it |
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| 17:06.35 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: especially when msn crashes |
| 17:06.35 | Shadowcat | ya but you're reasonable, he isn't |
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| 17:07.14 | oxsa | chaos@debian:/root$ newgrp wheel |
| 17:07.14 | oxsa | Password: |
| 17:07.14 | oxsa | Sorry. |
| 17:07.15 | benjamindees | wait, people actually use MSN as an isp? |
| 17:07.18 | wut | can anyone tell me why my connections being sluggish? |
| 17:07.19 | oxsa | but it is not login |
| 17:07.22 | oxsa | a problem |
| 17:07.27 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: I fnd it funny that Microsoft doesn't even offer MSN 7.5 anymore |
| 17:07.33 | Shadowcat | you have to run the pos beta |
| 17:07.55 | Shadowcat | MSN is Microsoft's version of "aol" |
| 17:07.55 | kspath | wut: Connection? Sluggish? |
| 17:08.08 | benjamindees | people in #debian use MSN as an isp ?!? |
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| 17:08.20 | oxsa | how can i add new group |
| 17:08.20 | wut | kspath, 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 80144ms |
| 17:08.21 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: can we not just be nice to eachother? do you want me to spank him with a large trout? |
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| 17:08.33 | kspath | wut: And? |
| 17:08.41 | tarzeau | benjamindees: no just the messenger |
| 17:08.43 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: I want him to speak to the 100+ ops he pissed off and get my isp unbanned |
| 17:08.44 | madclicker | need help with etch amavisd-new. No tagging occures for user mail |
| 17:08.51 | Shadowcat | until then I'll keep giving him a hard time |
| 17:08.56 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: ahh now i got what the problem is |
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| 17:09.13 | wut | is it supposed to send out packets so slow? |
| 17:09.17 | wut | i mean, 80 seconds? |
| 17:09.20 | Shadowcat | if you had to msg of 20 ops each time you wanted to get into a channel you'd be pissed too |
| 17:09.28 | Shadowcat | -of |
| 17:09.41 | kspath | wut: Are you failing to give details? |
| 17:09.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Shadowcat, benjamindees, USmarine : Thanks for your advice. I will be downloading the first 4 Sarge CD's in prep for my install and will no doubt be finding myself back here before long :) |
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| 17:10.04 | wut | nevermind....... |
| 17:10.12 | Shadowcat | [TK]D-Fender: yw |
| 17:10.19 | USmarine | what a waste, but ok :) |
| 17:10.29 | USmarine | just run irsci |
| 17:10.33 | KimmoA | [TK]D-Fender: With no net access, I think it's pretty obvious that you need to download and burn... :S |
| 17:10.38 | [TK]D-Fender | USmarine : 4 CD's I can live with... the 10 others... well :) |
| 17:10.45 | USmarine | oh |
| 17:10.50 | Shadowcat | [TK]D-Fender: or you could just grab the dvd |
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| 17:10.59 | benjamindees | [TK]D-Fender, np |
| 17:11.00 | Shadowcat | actually I recommend you grab stuff from etch |
| 17:11.03 | USmarine | you want a networkless install |
| 17:11.05 | [TK]D-Fender | I need enough to load up my Wanpipe drivers and can go from there... jsutcan't afford to do it mid-stream. |
| 17:11.16 | Shadowcat | [TK]D-Fender: there is *one* way |
| 17:11.22 | Shadowcat | albeit a VERY complicated one |
| 17:11.28 | Shadowcat | ship your own kernel with a custom debian install cd |
| 17:11.34 | [TK]D-Fender | USmarine : No, not networkless, just one that won't have Net access till I load up Wanpipe. |
| 17:12.00 | ram_einstein | how do I find out valid font names? |
| 17:12.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Shadowcat : Its a kernel module, not the whoel kernel and needs to be configured for the system. |
| 17:12.31 | Shadowcat | [TK]D-Fender: but the process is the same really |
| 17:12.33 | [TK]D-Fender | Shadowcat : But the moment I can SSH into it with a base installed, all is good. |
| 17:12.52 | Shadowcat | if you want the module in it, you have to crack open the cd, which means a lot of work |
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| 17:12.57 | Shadowcat | I do it to run reiser4 |
| 17:13.04 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: don't start :P |
| 17:13.32 | pipeline | Shadowcat: You're the only regular in the channel who DOESN'T abhor ReiserFS :P |
| 17:13.45 | Shadowcat | pipeline: so sue me :P |
| 17:13.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Shadowcat : No, I'm not expecting it to work out of the box, thats why I want the system "largely" functional at the start :) |
| 17:14.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Shadowcat : I'm "complicated", not "masochistic" ;) |
| 17:14.07 | KimmoA | [TK]D-Fender: It took three full floppies for me! |
| 17:14.08 | Shadowcat | pipeline: I'm also one of the few who run KDE |
| 17:14.28 | Shadowcat | I used to be religious about KDE too back when I started with Linux |
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| 17:14.43 | ram_einstein | how do I list valid font names? ie. from dirs that have been mkfontdir'd |
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| 17:15.40 | KimmoA | It appears that bash is "less greedy" than csh when it comes to tab auto-complete... |
| 17:15.52 | Shadowcat | bfd |
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| 17:18.41 | wut | kspath, my ifconfig looks messed up and my connections keep timing out |
| 17:18.47 | wut | i think it's something with dhclient |
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| 17:22.28 | kspath | wut: What happens when you ping your ip? |
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| 17:23.29 | wut | i get decent ping statistics |
| 17:23.31 | broli | im tring to make old hardware into a "media center" and im searching "opnions" on the subject "should i use sarge, etch or sid" :P |
| 17:23.57 | kspath | wut: No duplicates? |
| 17:24.02 | benjamindees | interesting, how old is the hardware? |
| 17:24.10 | kspath | wut: What happens when you ping your gateway? |
| 17:24.38 | Vronsky | sarge + myth works great |
| 17:24.44 | broli | k6-3 100Hz, ram 128Mb dim, and 80GB HD |
| 17:24.53 | Vronsky | heh |
| 17:25.01 | wut | can't find my gateway address |
| 17:25.07 | broli | and nfs from the good pc with DVD and stuf |
| 17:25.25 | benjamindees | I think I'd use sarge regardless |
| 17:25.32 | kspath | wut: netstat -nr ? |
| 17:25.47 | pipeline | Shadowcat: Tons of people use KDE. I always thought I was in the minority by shunning it. |
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| 17:26.05 | Vasistha | broli: you -must- mean 3100 MHz. and you only have 128 MB RAM? You need more memory. |
| 17:26.09 | wut | when i ping my gateway it's normal |
| 17:26.15 | broli | no, 400Mhz |
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| 17:26.23 | broli | olk K6-3 |
| 17:26.24 | Shadowcat | no |
| 17:26.27 | broli | old* |
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| 17:26.35 | Shadowcat | k-6 is definately not 3100 |
| 17:26.42 | Vasistha | broli: ah |
| 17:26.46 | Shadowcat | k7 was the first amd processor to break the ghz barrier |
| 17:26.48 | wut | kspath, can you go to #flood really quick? |
| 17:27.31 | Vasistha | broli: it's a difficult question, actually. Have you ever run sid before? |
| 17:27.32 | benjamindees | more memory would help, but probably isn't necessary for like mythtv |
| 17:27.37 | kspath | wut: No, thank you though. This channel is debian specific and I am already off-topic giving you some very basic ideas for beginning troubleshooting. |
| 17:27.42 | broli | Vasistha: nop |
| 17:28.32 | Vasistha | broli: keeping a sid system up-to-date (i.e. secure) and -working- can be difficult... you might get stuff working, and then have it break later on, and spend quite a bit of energy fixing it. |
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| 17:28.37 | broli | i know is too much OLD hard |
| 17:28.53 | benjamindees | wut, do you use nfs? |
| 17:29.17 | broli | so i should try etch or sarge ? |
| 17:29.18 | Vasistha | broli: OTOH, sarge is not going to have the latest-and-greatest media support ... although I have pretty good media support on my box, which is 333 MHz, running sarge (I do have 192 ram, more would be nice) |
| 17:29.56 | wut | benjamindees, no |
| 17:30.04 | benjamindees | newer distros sometimes have *less* support for older hardware |
| 17:30.19 | Vasistha | broli: the main problem, though, is video decoding -- the processor just can't keep up with, e.g., a 640x480 AVI file -- too much processor time needed, it drops frames and the audio is choppy |
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| 17:30.40 | broli | the video car its a diamond AGP 32MB |
| 17:30.55 | broli | fully suported in xfre86 and Xorg |
| 17:31.22 | benjamindees | I have to use a 2.4.22 kernel to get my framebuffer to work in sarge, for instance |
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| 17:31.24 | Vasistha | broli: that might help, but I really have no idea how much decoding can be done by the processor vs. video card |
| 17:31.34 | Vasistha | benjamindees: 2.4.27 doesn't work?? |
| 17:31.36 | hoodlum | how do you configure a wireless card in debian? ive enabled madwifi and its detected in iwanconfig as ath0 |
| 17:31.41 | benjamindees | Vasistha, nope |
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| 17:32.04 | Vasistha | benjamindees: damn. curious, what card? I would expect that it's specific to the hardware? |
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| 17:32.37 | benjamindees | Vasistha, it's a 3dlabs permedia II |
| 17:32.50 | broli | and im sure i wont be able to use KDE, maybe not even any WM |
| 17:32.52 | benjamindees | Vasistha, pm2fb is the module I think |
| 17:33.29 | NsN | Hi, i have a problem with the x server. I'm using etch and x.org, but can only choose between 640x480 and 800x600. When i run dpkg-reconifgure xserver-xorg everything runs fine, but after the question about the configuration file, the setup quits with "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized", any ideas? |
| 17:33.40 | Vasistha | broli: are you wanting a media center for audio only, or video too? For video, you're probably going to need X, and a lightweight WM should be fine for 128 MB |
| 17:34.46 | broli | but i can run X without any WM |
| 17:34.46 | jimmybgood | NsN: Move /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old and reconfigure again |
| 17:35.00 | broli | and run visual apps that way |
| 17:35.21 | benjamindees | broli, right, or you can use the framebuffer directly if your card is supported |
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| 17:35.35 | broli | frame buffer is video on a console ? |
| 17:35.48 | benjamindees | broli, basically, yes |
| 17:36.03 | broli | and its faster ? |
| 17:36.19 | broli | faster than Xvesa ? |
| 17:36.22 | kepht | is secure-testing.debian.net gone? |
| 17:36.30 | benjamindees | broli, it doesn't require X, and is faster for some things |
| 17:36.52 | broli | some ? like wathcing a video ? :P |
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| 17:37.04 | shogunx | broli you can also use mplayer or the like to output to vesa, with no need for X. |
| 17:37.15 | benjamindees | broli, what does lspci say about your video card? |
| 17:37.21 | broli | a second |
| 17:37.24 | NsN | jimmybgood: I just tried, it doesn't work, the error still appears, and it doesn't create a new xorg.conf |
| 17:37.30 | shogunx | works pretty well for me on the entertainment center. |
| 17:37.47 | jimmybgood | NsN: do ls -l /etc/X11/X |
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| 17:38.01 | benjamindees | broli, if your card has hw video acceleration, X is faster; otherwise the framebuffer is faster |
| 17:38.35 | hoodlum | so as i was saying, i need to know how to configure my wireless card, because it doesnt resolve the routers mac address |
| 17:38.53 | NsN | jimmybgood: It links to /usr/bin/Xorg |
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| 17:39.22 | broli | shogunx: i can use mplayer without X and framebuffer ? |
| 17:39.30 | benjamindees | or, yes, mplayer has some support for accelerated video without X |
| 17:39.37 | petemc | and -vo aa |
| 17:39.43 | shogunx | broli yep. mplayer -vo vesa works pretty well. |
| 17:40.01 | broli | benjamindees: lspci say nothing about nothing, just 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Savage 4 (rev 03) |
| 17:40.18 | jimmybgood | NsN: I don't know why it's complaining about /etc/X11/X, usually you get the message that /etc/X11/xorg.conf has been customized. Sorry |
| 17:40.43 | broli | petemc: the -vo aa use aa :P i like ascii chart, but so much :P |
| 17:40.50 | NsN | jimmybgood: Thanks anyways. |
| 17:41.04 | kepht | oh, secure-testing has moved to security . . . |
| 17:41.24 | jimmybgood | NsN: You could try moving /etc/X11/X to /etc/X11/X.old. |
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| 17:42.04 | broli | there is anythin i should do to use -vo vesa in mplayer? |
| 17:42.51 | benjamindees | broli, you should try -vo vidix, which should support your card |
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| 17:43.20 | broli | if framebuffer is faster i should try it |
| 17:43.29 | benjamindees | vidix is accelerated |
| 17:44.00 | broli | and mplayer is faster than xine ? |
| 17:44.28 | broli | maybe i should try to compile mplayer... |
| 17:44.30 | benjamindees | in this instance |
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| 17:46.12 | broli | so, i should try etch |
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| 17:46.25 | broli | because right now it dosnt have any OS :P |
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| 17:46.53 | stoned | broli, you should try stable |
| 17:47.03 | hoodlum | so as i was saying, i need to know how to configure my wireless card, because it doesnt resolve the routers mac address |
| 17:47.04 | broli | ok |
| 17:47.19 | broli | 1vote for stable |
| 17:47.21 | kepht | still can't find security updates for testing |
| 17:47.28 | benjamindees | in order of performance, it would probably go: mplayer with vidix on console, xine on X with DRI, mplayer on X with DRI, mplayer with framebuffer on console, xine on X without acceleration, mplayer on X without acceleration |
| 17:47.32 | simonrvn | !testing security |
| 17:47.33 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
| 17:47.41 | simonrvn | kepht: ^^ |
| 17:48.03 | benjamindees | broli, yes, stable |
| 17:48.05 | kepht | that didn't work |
| 17:48.09 | stoned | broli, its not a matter up for voting. You need to decide what you want. Research about things first. Make a list of your requirements, and go with an os |
| 17:48.13 | kepht | said ignored |
| 17:48.14 | simonrvn | !doesn't work |
| 17:48.14 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 17:49.10 | simonrvn | Works For Me |
| 17:49.19 | stoned | broli, if you have to ask, and especially put it up for a vote, then you should not even worry about testing/unstable |
| 17:49.31 | kepht | Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
| 17:49.56 | broli | stoned: im reserching here if sarge has all i need, or i will need to use etch |
| 17:50.12 | stoned | broli, I don't see you researching |
| 17:50.33 | kepht | hmm, n/m ..and thanks for the help |
| 17:50.47 | kspath | broli: Have you considered installing stable and doing an inventory? |
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| 17:51.07 | broli | kspath: inventory ? |
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| 17:51.36 | stoned | broli, what do you want your pc to do? |
| 17:51.42 | kspath | broli: "< broli> stoned: im reserching here if sarge has all i need, or i will need to use etch" Inventory of "all i need". |
| 17:51.50 | stoned | broli, what are you looking for in a system? |
| 17:52.03 | broli | mplayer with win32 codecs |
| 17:52.07 | broli | alsa |
| 17:52.13 | broli | and thts prety much |
| 17:52.20 | benjamindees | stoned, he already said he wants a media system on an old pc |
| 17:52.23 | stoned | sarge is good for all that |
| 17:52.29 | simonrvn | kepht: ok |
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| 17:53.02 | broli | anything else its a mather of configuring for perfomance |
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| 17:54.17 | broli | i have ben using sarge for a long time, and maybe its sometinh in etch thats works better when comes to playing videos. maybe som software updated some speed issues... |
| 17:54.56 | broli | as we speak im burning sarge to give it a try |
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| 17:56.13 | wdh | what is considered to be the best way to test a newly bought HDD? |
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| 17:56.34 | `DamN` | any idea how to install debian from iso image from windows ? (I don't have clean CD :-( ) |
| 17:56.35 | broli | wdh: install an OS ? |
| 17:56.44 | benjamindees | wdh, use the vendor's low-level format |
| 17:57.36 | abrotman | ask #hardware? |
| 17:57.46 | stoned | well |
| 17:57.56 | stoned | why don't you hook it up, and then scan badblocks |
| 17:58.01 | stoned | or whatever |
| 17:58.15 | pipeline | wdh: If it's new, you shouldn't have to test it. |
| 17:58.25 | stoned | exactly |
| 17:58.46 | stoned | abrotman, what are you doing not working? |
| 17:58.50 | stoned | bad bad abrotman |
| 17:59.08 | broli | `DamN`: see in the debian home page some other ways to install |
| 17:59.19 | stoned | !install guide |
| 17:59.19 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 18:00.10 | benjamindees | `DamN`, you might get this to work, but I haven't tried it in a while: http://www.deesconsulting.com/bootdisk/0.3/ |
| 18:01.18 | wdh | pipeline, true, but if its not working.. i'd rather send it back "dead on arrival".. |
| 18:01.19 | `DamN` | I have netinstall iso but don't know how it can be used for instalation ... |
| 18:01.59 | `DamN` | so the problem is that I don't have any external media like CD or USB stick |
| 18:02.02 | `DamN` | for install |
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| 18:02.09 | HMS | hey |
| 18:02.22 | abrotman | stoned: i am |
| 18:02.31 | `DamN` | an as far as I know windows will be rebooted in starting parts of instalation |
| 18:02.38 | HMS | how can i make a init script that makes a screen session and runs a command in the session? |
| 18:03.00 | stoned | your goddamn ` |
| 18:03.04 | stoned | pissine me off |
| 18:03.25 | valdyn | HMS: which program? |
| 18:03.30 | dooglus | HMS: what's the problem? you don't know how to make an init script, or you don't know how to use screen? |
| 18:03.32 | valdyn | HMS: or which command? |
| 18:03.35 | simonrvn | could at least put it on the end of their nick, but noooo... heh |
| 18:03.38 | stoned | anyway, if all you have is windows in a hdd and no other way to boot a computer, them you must use Grub for NT, make that boot the debian installer |
| 18:03.50 | valdyn | HMS: initscripts arent for autostarting random programs |
| 18:04.10 | stoned | simonrvn, ahh boy |
| 18:04.11 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:04.43 | `DamN` | stoned: thanks ! will try that |
| 18:04.50 | stoned | I can try to get you a link |
| 18:04.50 | HMS | okay how can i start a program on boot up thats in a screen session? |
| 18:04.59 | stoned | but you can google for "install linux without cd floppy usb" |
| 18:05.04 | valdyn | HMS: which program |
| 18:05.08 | stoned | something at marc.herbert.fr something shyould come up |
| 18:05.10 | simonrvn | HMS: be better off doing that as a @reboot cron job |
| 18:05.16 | dooglus | HMS: you can pass a command as an argument to screen |
| 18:05.20 | HMS | valdyn, irssi |
| 18:05.32 | simonrvn | have a .screenrc where you do that |
| 18:05.36 | dooglus | HMS: "screen irssi" |
| 18:05.36 | stoned | thats a good tut, I don't recall the debian isntaller containing info about windows, but it does about booting debian installer with grub |
| 18:05.46 | HMS | :) |
| 18:05.47 | valdyn | HMS: run 'crontab -e', add a cronjob ( as your _user_, not root ) |
| 18:05.51 | stoned | grub could exist on windows or linux, doesn't matter, so use the tutorial up until then, and then use the install guide |
| 18:05.56 | simonrvn | screen -t irc 5 irssi |
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| 18:06.07 | simonrvn | e.g. in the screenrc |
| 18:06.18 | Thrae | What's wrong with plain 'ol Visor? |
| 18:06.22 | Thrae | ...Bah |
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| 18:07.07 | dooglus | simonrvn: wouldn't that then run a new irssi each time you run screen? |
| 18:07.07 | simonrvn | i'm assuming ECHAN :) |
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| 18:07.07 | HMS | valdyn, okay thanks :) |
| 18:07.07 | simonrvn | dooglus: yeh, so? i don't |
| 18:07.14 | dooglus | simonrvn: don't you? |
| 18:07.36 | simonrvn | dooglus: you can have several; i've aliased like 3 sessions, each to a .screenrc |
| 18:07.38 | HMS | 'crontab -e', "screen irssi -args arg" ( as my user ) ? |
| 18:07.49 | avoine | hi, i just want to know if its dangerous to make a dd image from my mounted / to a umount external usb drive for have a bootable backup? |
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| 18:08.01 | NsN | shouldn't "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ask me some questions about my screen? |
| 18:08.22 | simonrvn | e.g. alias screen-foo='screen -mS foo -U -c ~/.screenrc-foo' |
| 18:08.31 | blondie | NsN: it always used to, but didn't when I ran it the other day c.c |
| 18:08.45 | valdyn | HMS: no, look at 'man 5 crontab', particularily the '@reboot' target |
| 18:08.46 | simonrvn | HMS: man 5 crontab |
| 18:08.48 | dooglus | HMS: no, you need to "@reboot screen irssi" in the crontab -e |
| 18:08.50 | kados | so ... here's a question ... is it normal to download the debian sarge netinst disk and end up with a system that has etch sources in the sources.list file? |
| 18:08.58 | benjamindees | avoine, not technically, but there's no guarantee it will work |
| 18:09.02 | kados | cuz that's what I'm getting :/ |
| 18:09.21 | simonrvn | kados: if you specified testing in the dist, yes |
| 18:09.30 | simonrvn | or got the etch netinst |
| 18:09.31 | HMS | okay thx guys |
| 18:09.44 | kados | simonrvn: I got this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 18:09.53 | simonrvn | then it's the former |
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| 18:09.58 | kados | simonrvn: where do you specify testing? |
| 18:10.13 | kados | simonrvn: to install I just hit enter ... is testing the default? |
| 18:10.14 | simonrvn | in the installer |
| 18:10.20 | simonrvn | can't recall |
| 18:10.52 | benjamindees | why is it that when I do 'export BLAH=blah; make' from bash it works fine but not from within a debian/rules file? |
| 18:11.33 | valdyn | benjamindees: you dont need export at all within a script |
| 18:12.29 | raf256 | I see an Gigabyte ethernet card in lspci, but I do not see it in ifconfig -a what might be wrong? |
| 18:12.39 | benjamindees | valdyn, okay, but could it hurt? |
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| 18:12.57 | valdyn | benjamindees: yes |
| 18:13.24 | raf256 | also I do not see "ethX if up/down" when removing/inserting the cable to card |
| 18:13.46 | valdyn | raf256: so you have no driver for that nic loaded? |
| 18:14.03 | raf256 | valdyn: dunno |
| 18:14.04 | raf256 | it is: |
| 18:14.06 | raf256 | 0000:00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10) |
| 18:14.16 | valdyn | raf256: uh? |
| 18:14.20 | valdyn | !confuse raf256 |
| 18:14.21 | dpkg | No, how are our pineapple today, raf256? wellies of the people's republic of mongolia with extra ham |
| 18:14.31 | valdyn | raf256: lspci output has nothing to do with a driver |
| 18:14.35 | raf256 | heh |
| 18:14.44 | raf256 | valdyn: yeah.. how do I check if driver is loaded? |
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| 18:15.02 | valdyn | raf256: ifconfig -a |
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| 18:15.18 | raf256 | I have an card on identical chipset (identical lspci info on it) on other box - other kernel (2.6.16) and it works there. |
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| 18:15.33 | valdyn | raf256: and if you have noted the MAC address you can compare that to nics listed in 'ifconfig -a' |
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| 18:16.05 | Mutiny | hello. i just did a fresh netinst install of sarge on my dell, and the USB EHCI core drivers and stuff seem to have installed correctly, but none of the devices i'm inserting are working, or even making anything show up in dmesg. Does anybody have an idea what the problem could be? |
| 18:16.33 | raf256 | valdyn: non of the cards in ifconfig -a are that card. |
| 18:16.38 | Maquiavelo | Hello, this might sound silly, but I've seen it working for other distributions |
| 18:16.49 | valdyn | raf256: yea i know, you already said that, you dont have the driver loaded |
| 18:16.50 | raf256 | valdyn: the card is not in ifconfig -a at all, is in lspci only |
| 18:16.52 | Maquiavelo | How do you put an image during kernel bootup? |
| 18:16.55 | Mutiny | which is weird because everything worked fine right out of the box-- video for x.org and input devices. i reboot once, i get nothing. |
| 18:17.11 | raf256 | valdyn: how do I "test it/hack it" on linux? drivers for PCI cards |
| 18:17.30 | raf256 | like, is there sommand like try_to_load_a_driver_for_pci -number 0a.35.21 or something |
| 18:17.32 | valdyn | raf256: you just load the driver |
| 18:17.44 | Maquiavelo | Sadly, whenever I google "linux kernel image" I get kernel images results lol, I just want to put a Tux or something during kernel bootup to make it... prettier ;) |
| 18:17.45 | raf256 | valdyn: I must know the driver name, if it is in module? |
| 18:17.45 | valdyn | raf256: no, that would be silly |
| 18:17.53 | valdyn | raf256: no, not really |
| 18:17.58 | raf256 | valdyn: why silly, nice for testing |
| 18:18.03 | Fawkes | Maquiavelo: Sounds like you need bootsplash. |
| 18:18.09 | valdyn | raf256: if you have udev / hotplug installed the driver gets loaded automatically |
| 18:18.10 | raf256 | so probably I dont have it in kernel config... let me recompike |
| 18:18.19 | valdyn | raf256: probably |
| 18:18.31 | benjamindees | Maquiavelo, first you need framebuffer support compiled into the kernel |
| 18:18.39 | Maquiavelo | ok |
| 18:19.07 | valdyn | raf256: drivers in 2.6 linux at least _know_ their devices, so autoloading the appropriate driver is trivial, provided that driver exists |
| 18:19.11 | kados | simonrvn: it seems that the 'stable' netinst, actually points to etch :-) ... see here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:19.23 | simonrvn | ooh ok |
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| 18:19.53 | Mutiny | what would make usb work during the first boot after installing a brand new sarge system, and then not work after subsequent reboots? |
| 18:19.56 | cds | Where's glib in apt? |
| 18:20.07 | valdyn | cds: apt-cache search |
| 18:20.20 | cds | valdyn: Did that, can't find anything that looks relevant. |
| 18:20.28 | cds | Since I've no idea what it is, I could be staring at it :) |
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| 18:20.41 | valdyn | cds: libglib2.0-0 |
| 18:20.45 | valdyn | cds: or similar |
| 18:20.47 | cds | Thanks. |
| 18:20.53 | mattt | hey, if i do an lsof and it shows no listening tcp ports, any idea what the problem could be? |
| 18:20.53 | noid | Mutiny: usb modules not being loaded? just a guess |
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| 18:21.26 | valdyn | cds: now that is probably still not what you are looking for, almost nothing uses just glib |
| 18:21.28 | ick | Where do I get libswt-gtk-3.1-java? |
| 18:21.30 | cds | valdyn: Don't you have a never version? |
| 18:21.46 | valdyn | cds: than what? |
| 18:21.55 | cds | gimp requires >2.8.2 :/ |
| 18:22.07 | cds | (I'm trying to compile the development version) |
| 18:22.08 | valdyn | cds: apt-cache show libglib2.0-0 |
| 18:22.09 | mattt | if i do an lsof -nP | grep LIST, it doesn't show sshd listening, yet i'm connected via ssh and it's accepting connections :) |
| 18:22.17 | Mutiny | noid, i got the drivers, and loaded usbmouse. |
| 18:22.22 | Erudified | mattt, check for rootkits |
| 18:22.25 | Vasistha | ick: apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 18:22.30 | valdyn | cds: package names dont directly correlate to 'real' versions |
| 18:22.31 | cds | valdyn: Than 2.0. |
| 18:22.32 | Mutiny | i don't think i need specific drivers for the type of usb mouse. |
| 18:22.33 | mattt | Erudified: already did, no problems |
| 18:22.35 | Vasistha | ick: oh, it's testing/unstable only |
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| 18:22.47 | cds | valdyn: How do I check the version? |
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| 18:22.59 | valdyn | cds: apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0 for instance |
| 18:23.02 | ick | Vasistha: I am using that now, and I don't get it. |
| 18:23.12 | Vasistha | ick: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libswt&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 18:23.18 | ick | Vasistha: (when i do apt-get install azureus) |
| 18:23.42 | cds | Hmm.. so it's 2.10. |
| 18:23.48 | cds | So why is gimp complaining? |
| 18:24.02 | valdyn | ick: use the upstream azureus package, not the debian package, the debian package has been broken forever and azureus does not fit into package management |
| 18:24.09 | FromTO | I patched software suspend2 to the kernel and installed hibernate. but it is stalling in the step "writing kernel and process data..". any ideas |
| 18:24.22 | ick | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 18:24.23 | cds | configure: error: Test for GLIB failed. See the file 'INSTALL' for help |
| 18:24.25 | valdyn | !any idea |
| 18:24.26 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of three-legged ostriches. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 18:24.44 | ick | valdyn: nice idea ;) |
| 18:24.56 | valdyn | FromTO: some driver doesnt want to suspend properly, try removing drivers yourself before suspending to figure that out |
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| 18:25.16 | Mutiny | what's the keyboard sequence to change virtual terminals? |
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| 18:25.27 | Mutiny | i thought it was ctrl-alt-fX but doesn't seem to be flying. |
| 18:25.35 | valdyn | Mutiny: it is |
| 18:25.46 | Vasistha | Mutiny: yeah, that's right, ctrl-alt-f1 or whatever |
| 18:25.54 | Mutiny | i'm getting nothing. |
| 18:26.08 | Vasistha | Mutiny: could be they're not running |
| 18:26.08 | Mutiny | do you have to do anything to enable it after a fresh debian install? |
| 18:26.09 | valdyn | Mutiny: how about a hint on what exactly you are doing? |
| 18:26.22 | Mutiny | ctrl-alt-f2. nothing happens. ;) |
| 18:26.34 | Mutiny | and my usb mice stopped working after i rebooted, so i can't start x.org, either. |
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| 18:26.46 | valdyn | Mutiny: you're in a console shell currently though? |
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| 18:26.52 | Mutiny | valdyn yes. |
| 18:26.58 | Vasistha | Mutiny: try without ctrl, just alt-f2 ? |
| 18:27.05 | Mutiny | nope |
| 18:27.13 | Mutiny | ctrl-shift-f2, ctrl-shift-alt-f2 |
| 18:27.22 | Mutiny | alt-shift, nothing |
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| 18:27.40 | Mutiny | i wouldn't even care about that if i could get x working. ;) |
| 18:27.50 | valdyn | Mutiny: ctrl-alt-fx |
| 18:27.54 | valdyn | Mutiny: why shift ? |
| 18:27.55 | Mutiny | not working. |
| 18:28.05 | Mutiny | i just tried random permutations to see if something work work. |
| 18:28.27 | Mutiny | see Vasistha suggesting just alt-f2 |
| 18:28.48 | Mutiny | i don't see how a simple sarge install could have gone so horribly horribly wrong. |
| 18:29.01 | valdyn | Mutiny: you are probably in single user mode |
| 18:29.10 | kados | Mutiny: did you use the netinst disk? |
| 18:29.20 | Mutiny | kados, yes. |
| 18:29.21 | valdyn | !runlevel |
| 18:29.22 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels. note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. |
| 18:29.31 | kados | Mutiny: because I just noticed that the link from debian.org for the sarge netinst disk is actually etch :-) |
| 18:29.32 | valdyn | Mutiny: run the command 'init 2' |
| 18:29.45 | Mutiny | negative, i'm in runlevel 2 |
| 18:29.57 | Vasistha | Mutiny: /bin/runlevel tells you so? |
| 18:30.01 | valdyn | Mutiny: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:30.02 | Mutiny | kados, etch? |
| 18:30.04 | Mutiny | Vasistha yes. |
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| 18:30.06 | kados | can anyone on this channel edit the debian.org site and fix that link |
| 18:30.14 | Mutiny | huff |
| 18:30.17 | kados | Mutiny: it's the testing release, not the stable release |
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| 18:30.19 | darkstego | is there a way to get a list of all installed packages on a system so I can install the same packages on another system? |
| 18:30.44 | valdyn | dererk: dpkg --get-selections |
| 18:30.44 | benjamindees | darkstego, man dpkg |
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| 18:30.51 | valdyn | !clone debian |
| 18:30.52 | FromTO | valdyn, How do I remove drivers |
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| 18:31.04 | dererk | valdyn, ? |
| 18:31.10 | valdyn | FromTO: you can apply patches but you cannot remove drivers? are you joking? |
| 18:31.31 | valdyn | FromTO: man modprobe |
| 18:31.38 | neoxan | /join #pokemon |
| 18:31.39 | benjamindees | FromTO, man rmmod |
| 18:31.42 | FromTO | valdyn, I mean from the hibernate.conf |
| 18:31.43 | neoxan | oh |
| 18:31.48 | valdyn | benjamindees: rmmod is evil |
| 18:31.49 | valdyn | !rmmod |
| 18:31.49 | dpkg | from memory, rmmod is a command you type in the terminal to remove a module from the Linux Kernel(ie your videocard module, or your sound module, etc.) So if I want to remove my horrible non-free proprietary module made by Ati Inc.(www.ati.com) I would type "rmmod fglrx" |
| 18:32.23 | valdyn | dpkg, no rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' instead |
| 18:32.24 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 18:32.25 | Mutiny | debian sarge netinst |
| 18:32.29 | Fawkes | Hi. Does anybody have any idea why the "evolution-exchange" package doesn't appear to be in etch? |
| 18:32.34 | Mutiny | kablowey |
| 18:32.41 | darkstego | valdyn: how do I get a list in a format that can be fed to apt later to mimik a configuration |
| 18:33.02 | Vooloo | anyone know a good system for monitoring several servers and services and alert own high load, performace, down etc. ? |
| 18:33.15 | Mutiny | nagios |
| 18:33.16 | kados | once again ... for anyone who cares, the http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ 'Official netinst images for the "stable" release' are 'Etch', not 'Sarge' ... |
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| 18:33.21 | lepton | darkstego: dpkg --get-selections > x; copy x to target sys; dpkg --set-selections < x |
| 18:33.22 | valdyn | darkstego: dpkg --get-selections > some_file on original and dpkg --set-selections < some_file on copy system |
| 18:33.47 | darkstego | lepton, valdyn thanks |
| 18:33.50 | valdyn | !clone |
| 18:33.50 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 18:33.51 | Mutiny | kados presumably etch is older than sarge? |
| 18:33.54 | valdyn | !listkeys clone |
| 18:33.56 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'clone' by key (9): clone ;; ale-clone ;; #debian debian clone ;; debian clone ;; clone #DEL# ;; _default debian clone ;; _default clone ;; ale clone ;; #debian clone. |
| 18:34.04 | valdyn | !debian clone |
| 18:34.04 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 18:34.06 | kados | Mutiny: no, it's not, it's the testing version, so it's 'newer' |
| 18:34.32 | valdyn | darkstego: see what dpkg said |
| 18:34.39 | Mutiny | so i should just reinstall? |
| 18:34.42 | Mutiny | please don't say that :( |
| 18:34.45 | darkstego | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:35.09 | valdyn | !etch |
| 18:35.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 18:35.12 | valdyn | Mutiny: ^^^ |
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| 18:35.20 | thingfish | kados: can you provide the link you mentioned? The link I just tested is fine. |
| 18:35.34 | Mutiny | that doesn't really provide me with any useful info at all |
| 18:35.46 | kados | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.49 | Mutiny | other than where to download it for a reinstall i desperately do not want to do. |
| 18:35.54 | kados | thingfish: I'm confirming right now with a new image |
| 18:36.01 | kados | thingfish: that I just burned |
| 18:36.10 | kados | thingfish: this image: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:36.11 | valdyn | Mutiny: if that wasnt useful then you should not have asked if etch was older than sarge |
| 18:36.15 | kados | thingfish: is the one I'm confirming |
| 18:36.39 | Mutiny | a 'yes' would have sufficed. |
| 18:36.59 | thingfish | kados: hmm, I was just going by the iso's name. |
| 18:37.33 | kados | thingfish: hmmm ... this one is sarge |
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| 18:37.51 | kados | thingfish: very strange ... I've got two images with the same name, one is sarge, one is etch :-) |
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| 18:38.02 | kados | thingfish: maybe someone fixed it in the last 10 minutes :-) |
| 18:38.13 | Mutiny | is etch really that different from sarge? wouldn't a sarge netinst and a etech netinst produce essentially the same system? |
| 18:38.22 | Mutiny | etch netinst, i mean. |
| 18:38.24 | thingfish | nope |
| 18:38.43 | thingfish | kados: yeah, who knows, maybe. |
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| 18:39.03 | valdyn | Mutiny: the etch installer is a beta version installer, it may delete random data or eat your children, its not meant for endusers |
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| 18:40.06 | kados | Mutiny: I'd suggest re-downloading and re-burning the netinst CD to make sure you've actually got the sarge one |
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| 18:40.52 | Mutiny | my /etc/debian_version says 3.1 |
| 18:40.58 | Grommet | I'd like a copy of the child eating one, please |
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| 18:41.36 | Mutiny | valdyn my impression is the only difference is the installers and that the actual system i'm left with, when doing netinst, is going to be essentially the same |
| 18:41.46 | Grommet | can I execute it to eat specific children? |
| 18:41.51 | Erudified | reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for 194-79-18-81.severin.rdsnet.ro failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT |
| 18:42.03 | Erudified | This *was* a breakin attempt; does anyone know of a good way to deal with these kinds of log messages? |
| 18:42.19 | valdyn | kados: i just downloaded that netinst image, its not etch, its sarge as it should be |
| 18:42.48 | Mutiny | i just can't understand why after one reboot a perfectly fine system turns derelict |
| 18:42.55 | kspath | Erudified: How do you define "deal"? How do you define "good way"? |
| 18:42.55 | Mutiny | and usb mouse detection completely stops working |
| 18:43.46 | Erudified | kspath, deal = taking some sort of prohibitive action (i.e. blocking incoming packets from the IP in question) |
| 18:43.47 | valdyn | Mutiny: look at your logfiles |
| 18:43.59 | Grommet | Hi, I'm thinking of switching to debian from suse, where can I find information about the software included in the latest release? |
| 18:43.59 | Mutiny | nothing, there or in dmesg. |
| 18:44.03 | kados | valdyn: I've also confirmed that the link is correct now |
| 18:44.05 | Erudified | kspath, Am I misunderstanding that, or does it simply mean that a reverse lookup of that address failed? |
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| 18:44.14 | KimmoA | I keep feeling that Unix boxes should display its IP on the screen after booting... without the need to log in and type "ifconfig". Do you agree? |
| 18:44.21 | kados | valdyn: but I have an image with the same name on my drive that's etch, so it was wrong earlier :-) |
| 18:44.23 | KimmoA | s/its/their/ |
| 18:44.28 | KimmoA | s/IP/IPs/ |
| 18:44.29 | Erudified | KimmoA, you could write a boot script to do that easily |
| 18:44.38 | KimmoA | Erudified: Hmm... I guess. |
| 18:44.44 | Erudified | KimmoA, Put it in the motd or whatever |
| 18:44.59 | kspath | Erudified: tcp wrappers? firewall rules? other restrictions? |
| 18:45.01 | KimmoA | Isn't motd post login? |
| 18:45.13 | Grommet | KimmoA: what would be nice is if there was always a liitle bar at the bottom of the console that showed hostname, IP etc etc. |
| 18:45.25 | KimmoA | Grommet: Indeed... |
| 18:45.39 | Erudified | I think I'll just null route all of romania |
| 18:45.51 | Grommet | there's a graphical bar at the bottom of my console but it doesn't have any useful info, it's just eye candy |
| 18:45.55 | valdyn | Mutiny: you must be missing something, linux doesnt do much at all without logged feedback unless you switch of logging or logging is broken |
| 18:45.58 | KimmoA | :O |
| 18:46.04 | Erudified | with .ro, .cn. .jp out of the picture |
| 18:46.09 | Erudified | ill be pretty secure lol |
| 18:46.11 | kspath | Erudified: based on revDNS(ptr)? |
| 18:46.21 | KimmoA | So... why is tty2 gone? 1, 3, 4, and 5 work for me, but Alt + F2 shows tty1! |
| 18:46.45 | Mutiny | man now cingular's voicemail is fucking down, is NOTHING working today? |
| 18:47.01 | Erudified | kspath, doesnt sound like a bad idea |
| 18:47.06 | Mutiny | valdyn i suspect the problem is in what it's NOT doing, but the boot logs look identical. |
| 18:47.13 | Erudified | but i hate relying on dns for anything =/ |
| 18:47.23 | Mutiny | i stripped out the dates and diff'd them and they're essentially the same. |
| 18:47.28 | kspath | Erudified: IPs can lack revDNS and yet be in "ro" or "cn or "jp" |
| 18:47.40 | Erudified | kspath exactly |
| 18:47.55 | kspath | Erudified: IP can have real/bogus revDNS indicating "ro" without being inside that nation. |
| 18:47.55 | abrotman | Grommet: packages.debian.org .. lots of stuff |
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| 18:48.02 | Grommet | thanks |
| 18:48.10 | noid | Mutiny: do you have the mousedev module loaded? |
| 18:48.19 | Grommet | tired of SuSE probs :) |
| 18:48.29 | valdyn | Mutiny: your virtual consoles getty is spawned according to /etc/inittab, if that file is broken, or if your init is set to something else than default, then you may not have more than 1 virtual console |
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| 18:50.12 | androide | mount: could not find any free loop device |
| 18:50.19 | androide | i already umounted my loop mounts |
| 18:50.19 | Erudified | anyone claiming to be inside romania who isn't deserves to be null routed |
| 18:50.22 | Erudified | on general principle |
| 18:50.32 | yodalives | modprobe loop |
| 18:50.46 | androide | module not found |
| 18:51.16 | androide | ps auxf|grep loop |
| 18:51.25 | androide | i have 8 loops "running" |
| 18:51.27 | Ryushin | Is there a way to tell a show to transcode or commflag from mythweb? |
| 18:51.34 | androide | but i can't kill them with the kill -9 PID |
| 18:51.40 | yodalives | use /dev/loop0 |
| 18:51.45 | androide | ok |
| 18:52.07 | Ryushin | oops, wrong channel. sorry. |
| 18:52.25 | androide | you mean $ mount [sdjknfjds].iso -o /dev/loop0 [dir] ? |
| 18:52.36 | yodalives | yeah |
| 18:52.53 | androide | nope |
| 18:52.55 | androide | didn't work |
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| 18:54.24 | yodalives | mount -t iso9660 -o loop=/dev/loop0 filename.iso /mnt |
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| 18:55.50 | abrotman | you have to have kernel support to mount over loopback .. have you compiled your own kernel(debian packaged kernels already have this ability) |
| 18:56.34 | androide | yodalives, ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy |
| 18:56.50 | androide | abrotman, no, i didn't compile my own kernel |
| 18:56.51 | androide | but look |
| 18:56.59 | androide | i can mount 8 loop devices |
| 18:57.00 | KimmoA | Why does Debian force me to use an all lowercase username? <:( |
| 18:57.15 | Mutiny_ | hmmmm |
| 18:57.15 | androide | and i already umounted the mounted isos |
| 18:57.20 | abrotman | androide: so you're trying to mount a 9th ? |
| 18:57.20 | KimmoA | What's the general lowercase fetich among Unixers? |
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| 18:57.22 | yodalives | is loop0 already mounted? |
| 18:57.25 | abrotman | fuser might help |
| 18:57.27 | androide | but i CAN'T kill the process |
| 18:57.27 | abrotman | or lsof |
| 18:57.28 | Mutiny_ | I got my mouse to show up in lsusb but x.org can't open it |
| 18:57.31 | androide | they still there |
| 18:57.42 | sep | KimmoA, becouse we dont have a need to shout |
| 18:57.49 | abrotman | Mutiny_: load the mousedev module .. tell X that you're using /dev/input/mice |
| 18:57.50 | KimmoA | s/fetich/fetish/ |
| 18:57.54 | Mutiny_ | k. |
| 18:58.03 | KimmoA | seb-: It's not called shouting -- it's called grammar... :S |
| 18:58.15 | abrotman | Upper case letters are grammar? |
| 18:58.21 | KimmoA | ... |
| 18:58.22 | androide | look |
| 18:58.25 | ick | Does Amsn have microphone support? |
| 18:58.36 | androide | root 20467 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 14:33 0:00 [loop2] |
| 18:58.36 | androide | root 20469 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 14:33 0:00 [loop3] |
| 18:58.36 | androide | root 20471 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 14:33 0:00 [loop4] |
| 18:58.36 | androide | root 20473 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 14:34 0:00 [loop5] |
| 18:58.36 | androide | root 20477 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 14:34 0:00 [loop1] |
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| 18:58.38 | abrotman | ick: read the docs .. and see |
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| 18:58.47 | Mutiny_ | abrotman thank you. |
| 18:58.48 | androide | i can't kill them |
| 18:58.50 | Mutiny_ | hmm. |
| 18:58.58 | abrotman | androide: kill the parent |
| 18:59.01 | Mutiny_ | so it appears my system isn't loading, on boot, the modules it needs. |
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| 18:59.11 | abrotman | Mutiny_: put the ones you want in /etc/modules |
| 18:59.18 | androide | i dont see any parennt |
| 18:59.19 | androide | parent* |
| 18:59.32 | abrotman | no kidding .. try `man ls` .. find out how to get it to show the parent |
| 18:59.54 | yodalives | lsof -p 20467 |
| 19:00.13 | androide | i don't have that command neither |
| 19:00.25 | signuts | If I want to install firefox 1.5 how do I add unstable to my currently testing system and say "only use firefox from unstable" ? |
| 19:00.41 | androide | a sec |
| 19:00.42 | yodalives | apt-get install lsof |
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| 19:00.56 | abrotman | it shuld be installed |
| 19:01.04 | bartm | signuts: search google with "apt pinning" |
| 19:01.07 | abrotman | androide: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 19:01.07 | ick | abrotman: Well, I can't find it. |
| 19:01.11 | signuts | bartm, thx |
| 19:01.13 | abrotman | ick: so maybe it doesn't |
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| 19:02.06 | androide | now.. what i suppose to do? |
| 19:02.21 | Mutiny_ | abrotman yeah i got that. i'm just wondering why on one boot, right after i installed, i managed to get all the modules i needed loaded (without my intervention) but on the next reboot I got nothing? |
| 19:02.29 | androide | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 19:02.30 | androide | loop2 20467 root cwd DIR 3,9 656 2 / |
| 19:02.31 | androide | loop2 20467 root rtd DIR 3,9 656 2 / |
| 19:02.32 | androide | loop2 20467 root txt unknown /proc/20467/exe |
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| 19:02.38 | androide | that says |
| 19:02.44 | kados | is there a good utility for auto hardware detection and installation? |
| 19:02.55 | androide | hwdetect |
| 19:02.59 | kados | thx |
| 19:03.02 | androide | ouch |
| 19:03.02 | androide | no |
| 19:03.11 | androide | it says the modules to load |
| 19:03.17 | androide | but don't do by itself |
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| 19:03.21 | kados | ahh |
| 19:03.24 | kencausey | [Evolution] Filter for Junk in Evolution seems to have stopped working with the latest upgrade from Debian Unstable (2.6.1-3). It spends a lot of time filtering (as usual) but then doesn't actually moving anything to the Junk vfolder. I do have the current evolution-plugins installed (2.6.1-3) |
| 19:03.25 | androide | i believe udev is nice |
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| 19:04.00 | kencausey | [Evolution] also the Not Junk facility seems to be disabled. The button is greyed out and ctrl-shift-j does nothing. |
| 19:04.07 | kados | I just have this network card that doesn't seem to be recognized by the installer |
| 19:04.18 | abrotman | Mutiny: you might have installed a package that does something else |
| 19:04.18 | kados | and I was hoping there was a simple way to get it going |
| 19:04.25 | kados | without spending all afternoon on it :-) |
| 19:04.32 | abrotman | androide: STOP PASTING |
| 19:04.37 | androide | ok |
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| 19:04.39 | abrotman | kados: what car? |
| 19:04.41 | abrotman | card? |
| 19:05.17 | abrotman | androide: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 19:05.29 | abrotman | kencausey: checked the BTS? |
| 19:05.41 | kados | abrotman: is there a way i can tell without taking apart the box? |
| 19:05.59 | kencausey | abrotman: Yes, and don't see anything obvious, but it's a large list and I will keep looking. |
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| 19:06.10 | astronut | how do i look at available keymaps? (I just got a new keyboard and half the keys don't show up in xev) |
| 19:06.30 | abrotman | kados: lspci |
| 19:07.26 | kados | ok ... there are two ethernet cards ... first one is LinkSys NC100 (maybe onboard one that' working?), second one is VIA Technologies, Inc VT6102 |
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| 19:07.31 | abrotman | astronut: eh .. probably in /usr/share/ somewhere |
| 19:08.02 | abrotman | ethtool might say which is which |
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| 19:11.46 | kados | abrotman: doesn't seem to |
| 19:11.59 | abrotman | i think there's a flag |
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| 19:12.40 | abrotman | kados: ethtool -i eth0 .. |
| 19:12.59 | kados | abrotman: got it |
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| 19:13.18 | kados | abrotman: so eth0 is actually the VIA |
| 19:13.18 | kados | via-rine is the driver |
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| 19:13.29 | kados | and I found this unfortunate post: |
| 19:13.30 | kados | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2003-09/7761.html |
| 19:13.50 | kados | don't know if that applies here or not |
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| 19:14.30 | signuts | bartm, what happens when I apt-get upgrade .. will firefox be upgarded from testing or unstable? |
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| 19:15.22 | kados | I did get some errors from 'tulip' when I was installing |
| 19:15.33 | kados | and it looks like tulip is the name of the driver for the other nic |
| 19:15.44 | bartm | signuts: I meant not only to google for "apt pinning" but also read the info you find :) |
| 19:16.22 | bartm | signuts: my point is that it's well documented in just some small easy-to-read webpages |
| 19:16.30 | abrotman | kados: so the NC100 isn't working? |
| 19:16.38 | kados | abrotman: correct |
| 19:16.40 | abrotman | kados: it works with tulip ? |
| 19:17.07 | kados | abrotman: it's meant to work with tulip I think |
| 19:18.01 | abrotman | kados: get another NIC .. tulip used to be the best cards in the world .. but now too many aren't up to snuff .. and it will just cause you problems .. blame compaq for screwing up DEC |
| 19:18.25 | signuts | bartm, hehe, I read it :) |
| 19:18.41 | kados | abrotman: it's just a card I yanked from anothere system ... working fine in that one running Fedora |
| 19:18.57 | abrotman | kados: uname -a .. what does it say? |
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| 19:19.06 | kados | abrotman: on which box? |
| 19:19.12 | abrotman | the box with the broken nic :) |
| 19:19.24 | kados | ahh ... it's 2.4 kernel |
| 19:19.28 | kados | maybe that's my problem |
| 19:19.34 | kados | I should have done a 2.6 install |
| 19:19.45 | kados | ? |
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| 19:22.12 | linux2 | hi can someone help me with installing debian on my comps? |
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| 19:22.18 | Gokee2 | kados, Why not just install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:22.41 | kados | Gokee2: i was waiting for someone to say that :-) |
| 19:22.45 | Ronin | linux2: just ask your questions |
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| 19:23.20 | linux2 | Ronin: ok i keep running into the problem of trying to configure everything |
| 19:23.20 | charzero | linux2: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 19:23.25 | linux2 | are there any easy tools people know about |
| 19:23.27 | Gokee2 | su |
| 19:23.36 | linux2 | charzero: what version of kde does stable have? |
| 19:23.42 | Hitch | Hi, |
| 19:23.46 | Ronin | configuring what linux2 |
| 19:24.12 | linux2 | Ronin: printer and NFS, along with having a graphical boot |
| 19:24.27 | Vasistha | linux2: 3.3.2 I think |
| 19:24.27 | Ronin | graphical boot? |
| 19:24.31 | charzero | linux2: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages tells me 3.3.2 |
| 19:24.43 | linux2 | charzero: should i install stable or testing? |
| 19:24.44 | Hitch | Sorry.. I am having problems with my microphone. I dont get any sound from it? And the alsamixer and gnome-mixer are corected configured anyone has any idea? |
| 19:24.48 | linux2 | cause i want the latest software |
| 19:25.03 | charzero | linux2: Depends what you want to use it for, and if you mind if things break sometimes when you upgrade. |
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| 19:25.07 | Ronin | linux2: how comfortable are you fixing things? |
| 19:25.24 | linux2 | Ronin: pretty comfortable |
| 19:25.27 | linux2 | Ronin: but i am coming from mandriva |
| 19:25.33 | linux2 | that i had to fix everyday |
| 19:25.35 | charzero | linux2: Is this for a desktop machine? A server? |
| 19:25.39 | linux2 | hence why im switching |
| 19:25.46 | Ronin | linux2: desktop? |
| 19:26.00 | linux2 | charzero: i am going to have my server switch over to debian also. but right now im working on my desktop |
| 19:26.17 | Vasistha | linux2: yeah, etch (testing) shouldn't have daily fixes, it should be more stable than what you're describing for mandriva |
| 19:26.19 | charzero | linux2: I used testing on my laptop, and it breaks sometimes, and stable on all my servers. |
| 19:26.56 | linux2 | charzero: well i mean how bad is it when it breaks? |
| 19:27.06 | Ronin | linux2: depends on what breaks id say |
| 19:27.21 | linux2 | Ronin: well is it more stable than mandriva |
| 19:27.24 | Supaplex | what can I use to comvert rfc822 messages to plain text or lightweight html? |
| 19:27.29 | linux2 | cause anything better than mandriva is what im going for |
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| 19:27.34 | linux2 | i just cannot stand it anymore |
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| 19:27.36 | Ronin | linux2: sarge certainly is, etch quite likely is |
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| 19:28.03 | Supaplex | !start a distro war |
| 19:28.03 | dpkg | Rock owns! |
| 19:28.10 | charzero | linux2: for example, last week i upgraded xorg from 6.9 to 7, and i had to re-tweak my xorg.conf and all my font config. |
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| 19:28.12 | DimmuR | I'm connecting to internet via ADSL modem and usually i have ppp0 interface but sometimes when i look i see ppp2 or ppp3 (and no ppp0, ppp1) why does it happen and can i do something to prevent it? (I'd like to configure snort for ppp0) |
| 19:28.30 | nixie | which app is most commonly used for watching TV in |
| 19:28.34 | nixie | X? |
| 19:28.41 | Vasistha | linux2: to give you an idea... in sarge... basically nothing ever breaks. I've been running for six months now, I get the security updates regularly, and I don't think I have ever had to fix anything in 6 months. |
| 19:28.43 | nixie | is it mythtv? |
| 19:28.47 | linux2 | nixie: i like tvtime |
| 19:29.09 | linux2 | Vasistha: so would be great for my two server machines i have |
| 19:29.11 | nixie | mythtv is huge, i dont need that |
| 19:29.31 | Supaplex | ~lart the size of mythtv |
| 19:29.32 | Vasistha | linux2: yeah, exactly. etch is not that stable... but if you're talking abou fixing stuff on a daily basis, I think etch should be easier than that. |
| 19:29.34 | DimmuR | nixie: i think it's vdr |
| 19:29.47 | abrotman | kados: you can try it |
| 19:30.04 | Gokee2 | System?..... That looks so... windowsish... Even non-working media in it..... :/ |
| 19:30.09 | linux2 | Vasistha: i also heard that package management is better in debian |
| 19:30.19 | linux2 | is it easy to make a .deb package? |
| 19:30.25 | Vasistha | linux2: debian has excellent package management and dependency resolution |
| 19:30.40 | linux2 | cause making rpms is pain |
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| 19:30.45 | linux2 | almost not worth it i think |
| 19:30.47 | Supaplex | deb > rpm |
| 19:30.59 | zinx | Supaplex: more like, apt > rpm |
| 19:31.07 | Supaplex | true |
| 19:31.18 | Vasistha | linux2: curious, why would you need to make debs? Are you a programmer, packaging and distributing programs to multiple machines? |
| 19:31.22 | Supaplex | it even works great in fink :) |
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| 19:31.37 | qpt`` | U ARE ABOUT TO EAT A BAG OF SHIT |
| 19:31.39 | Gokee2 | What are the icons in system --> media? Are they genarated on startup? Can I make then myself? What do they do run a script? |
| 19:31.40 | qpt`` | HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CRAPFLOODS? I LIKE THEM. HOW DO YOU |
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| 19:31.42 | qpt`` | W DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CRAPFLOODS? I LIKE THEM. HOW DO YOU FE |
| 19:31.43 | qpt`` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.44 | qpt`` | DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CRAPFLOODS? I LIKE THEM. HOW DO YOU FEEL |
| 19:31.45 | linux2 | Vasistha: yeah sometimes i build programs from source or write my own that i install on my machines |
| 19:31.45 | qpt`` | O YOU FEEL ABOUT CRAPFLOODS? I LIKE THEM. HOW DO YOU FEEL |
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| 19:31.47 | qpt`` | YOU FEEL ABOUT CRAPFLOODS? I LIKE THEM. HOW DO YOU FEEL AB |
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| 19:31.50 | Supaplex | !ops flood |
| 19:31.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: supaplex complains about: flood |
| 19:31.56 | dondelelcaro | little late... |
| 19:32.14 | Supaplex | I blame tab completion :) |
| 19:32.30 | dondelelcaro | zinx: you've just made the point |
| 19:32.55 | Gokee2 | What are the icons in system --> media? Are they genarated on startup? Can I make then myself? What do they do run a script? |
| 19:32.57 | nalioth | dondelelcaro: you'll need to ban qpt* also, he uses proxies |
| 19:33.10 | Vasistha | linux2: I've never done it, but from what I've heard, creating debs is not too difficult |
| 19:33.20 | dondelelcaro | nalioth: we can get there when we get there |
| 19:33.26 | linux2 | Vasistha: well then i guess i will can my website project (again) |
| 19:33.38 | nalioth | dondelelcaro: he hit #ubuntu yesterday under multiple IPs |
| 19:33.42 | Vasistha | linux2: ? |
| 19:33.58 | zinx | i made some debs using the evil cdbs stuff |
| 19:34.14 | linux2 | Vasistha: it was a project to make a website that would make rpms for you. i have an ok amount of it done but still needs a lot more work. |
| 19:35.01 | Vasistha | linux2: oh, heh.. well, maybe some of the code is portable towards creating rpms. And besides, if it's starting to work, there's certainly no harm in distributing multiple package types |
| 19:35.12 | Amarande | nalioth: that's an especially crafty disruption, I'd think |
| 19:35.15 | Vasistha | linux2: err, portable toward creating debs |
| 19:35.31 | Amarande | if he hits #ubuntu, we'll get flooded with Ubuntu users crying that #ubuntu is flooded and they want their Ubuntu help -here-. :P |
| 19:35.40 | nalioth | Amarande: well, you gotta wonder why someone would take the time, just for disruption |
| 19:36.08 | linux2 | Vasistha: yeah. just need to buy another domain name |
| 19:36.09 | linux2 | lol |
| 19:36.14 | linux2 | like the 5th this year |
| 19:36.27 | Vasistha | nalioth: some folks have unused brain cycles that really ought to be put to better work, and an emotional axe to grind :P |
| 19:36.44 | nalioth | i suppose so |
| 19:36.48 | streuner | Amarande: so you think s(he) flooded us to go to #ubuntu in order to ask questions about debian? ;-) |
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| 19:37.24 | Shadowcat | nalioth: our ##windows flooder is back |
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| 19:38.43 | hocus | hi, i 've a problem with ndis wrapper : modprobe returns Operation not permitted why ? |
| 19:39.24 | linux2 | my stupid comp keeps locking up |
| 19:39.31 | linux2 | and my desktop icons dissapeared |
| 19:40.55 | ktwilight | the world is ending soon!! |
| 19:41.05 | beefcake | that explains the heat |
| 19:41.22 | linux2 | how can i figure out what sizes my directories are |
| 19:41.24 | linux2 | in a console? |
| 19:41.26 | beefcake | du |
| 19:41.32 | beefcake | du dirname |
| 19:41.38 | beefcake | du -h if you want it in gigs |
| 19:41.53 | linux2 | beefcake: what if i want it to do all the folders in a dir without listing the folder contents |
| 19:42.10 | signuts | linux2, another important parameter is --max-depth , makes it easier to find large directories and cd into them to figure out the distribution |
| 19:42.10 | stew | linux2: du -s |
| 19:42.18 | beefcake | du -s |
| 19:42.18 | charzero | linux2: ls -d |
| 19:42.21 | beefcake | yeah |
| 19:42.38 | charzero | oh. |
| 19:42.48 | charzero | linux2: are you familiar with 'man' ? |
| 19:42.55 | linux2 | a little bit |
| 19:43.02 | charzero | linux2: type 'man man' |
| 19:43.07 | beefcake | HAHA |
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| 19:43.17 | linux2 | lol |
| 19:43.20 | charzero | man man changed my life! |
| 19:43.39 | dondelelcaro | man less; and man apropos; are probably more useful, though... |
| 19:43.50 | beefcake | man grep too |
| 19:43.52 | beefcake | grep rules |
| 19:44.21 | charzero | I figure man man will lead to man apropos and man less and man grep, which will lead to man regex, which will lead to suicide. |
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| 19:44.36 | unstable | dondelelcaro: You know any good guides for remotely encrypting file systems. (I have two 400 gig disks), the first disk has a 4 gig /, and a 1 gig swap. And the rest of the disk is unpartitioned, and the second disk is empty and also unpartitioned. |
| 19:44.46 | hocus | help me |
| 19:45.32 | stew | hocus: were you running modprobe as root? |
| 19:45.37 | dondelelcaro | unstable: it's just loopback encryption; there are some guides on doing it. |
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| 19:45.51 | rares000 | i have a Radeon 7000/VE with xorg and I don't know which kernel module and x-driver I should use on debian |
| 19:46.03 | stew | rares000: use radeon for both |
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| 19:46.28 | stew | rares000: if you don't have a choice of radeon for x just use ati, its basically the same thing |
| 19:46.41 | unstable | dondelelcaro: yea, I saw a bunch of guides. But none for remote. |
| 19:46.42 | tongueroo | just installed amarok 1.4a and its crashing, how do i configure apt or the sources.list files to force it to only install 1.3? |
| 19:46.51 | Vasistha | unstable: huh. Is the idea to encrypt it in such a way that the server holds no keys, and you can only access the remote data locally with your keys? |
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| 19:46.55 | tongueroo | i remember 1.3 was stable |
| 19:47.01 | tongueroo | at least for me |
| 19:47.08 | dondelelcaro | unstable: remote is just a special case of local; the only difference is that instead of mounting the drives at boot, you mount them later in the process. |
| 19:47.18 | unstable | dondelelcaro: Like I would encrypt my laptop, and use a usb key to unlock it. And a sshd would run on my laptop. And my servers would scp the key to mount the file systems from my laptop. |
| 19:47.33 | Vasistha | tongueroo: check /etc/apt/apt.conf.d or something... something in there can be set |
| 19:47.35 | rares000 | is it via-agp or ati-agp I have a 8377 chipset |
| 19:47.52 | linux2 | i cannot use my web browser anymore |
| 19:47.57 | unstable | Is that a good method you think dondelelcaro? |
| 19:47.57 | unstable | Have one authentication server, that scps the keys. |
| 19:47.57 | unstable | And I have control of the authentication server(around my neck) |
| 19:48.01 | linux2 | my comp is dying slowly |
| 19:48.10 | linux2 | why won't debian install faster |
| 19:48.13 | unstable | Vasistha: yes |
| 19:48.14 | Amarande | linux2: are you running Windows right now? |
| 19:48.24 | dondelelcaro | unstable: no, because it means that someone can take control of the drives without your immediate knowledge and have them authenticate with your laptop |
| 19:48.28 | Amarande | Sounds like you need to switch to Linux. :) |
| 19:48.29 | linux2 | Amarande: nope. haven't run windows in year. im in mandriva |
| 19:48.35 | Amarande | Oh. :) |
| 19:48.44 | Vasistha | unstable: read up on dm-crypt |
| 19:48.45 | Amarande | I tried that back when it was still Mandrake. |
| 19:48.47 | linux2 | Amarande: as far as i can tell there around the same |
| 19:48.50 | dondelelcaro | unstable: whatever the method you use to get the key to the servers, it has to involve you. |
| 19:48.53 | Amarande | It had problems. |
| 19:48.57 | linux2 | yep it does |
| 19:49.02 | Amarande | Like the MSEC security system being pretty much worthless. |
| 19:49.10 | linux2 | i have managed for a couple of years |
| 19:49.11 | Amarande | Because any particularly significant amount of security seems to make the OS almost unusable. |
| 19:49.14 | unstable | Vasistha: But I don't see any good guides on this. |
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| 19:49.41 | Vasistha | unstable: it took me a long time to figure it out... lemme see if I have any of those guides I found laying around my fs |
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| 19:49.44 | linux2 | Amarande: yeah i know. i have had tons of issues with that. and most of the distro is broken |
| 19:49.45 | unstable | Vasistha: People were talking about which is better also, crypto-loop or device-manager.(better encryption/security?) |
| 19:49.51 | linux2 | and you have to pay for updates etc |
| 19:50.05 | linux2 | otherwise you have to get rpms someone else made which usually break the system |
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| 19:50.21 | Vasistha | unstable: when I studied it, my conclusion was that dm-crypt was a better system |
| 19:50.24 | dondelelcaro | unstable: basically because it's not done all that much; it's basically impossible to actually guarantee the security of remote data when the physical security isn't controlled and you actually want to access the data on the remote machine |
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| 19:51.42 | unstable | dondelelcaro: yea I know there are holes here. I was told about devices to extract data from the RAM, and devices to read the hdd, while the machine is on. |
| 19:51.56 | Amarande | well, not much to do about that, really |
| 19:52.03 | Amarande | unless you want to dance with the devil (TCPA and such) |
| 19:52.18 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: even that doesn't gain you anything |
| 19:52.28 | tv-tom | anyone got a quick fix for BT878 (bttv) driver in etch? :-/ |
| 19:52.33 | Amarande | which is the worst thing about TCPA, really |
| 19:52.40 | Amarande | some of its features are, indeed, useful to the little guy as well |
| 19:52.42 | dondelelcaro | it's impossible to guarantee that someone hasn't attached leads to the board |
| 19:52.43 | nvz | ...an eternity in hell :p |
| 19:52.48 | Amarande | and might make people more inclined to accept it :P |
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| 19:52.57 | ktwilight | wow |
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| 19:53.09 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: until you realize that none of the things they promise actually are guaranteed. |
| 19:53.20 | bartm | tv-tom: the little cable between the tv card and the sound card :/ |
| 19:53.21 | Vasistha | unstable: if you want to be really secure, perhaps what you want is a setup where you simply store encrypted files on the server, which you encrypt and decrypt locally. |
| 19:53.31 | Amarande | dondelelcaro: which makes the whole idea pretty dumb. |
| 19:53.53 | Amarande | Because it means none of the things they promise their business buddies are likely to be guaranteed, either. |
| 19:54.02 | Amarande | In fact, the more they try to lock things down, the less locked down it will get. |
| 19:54.11 | Amarande | This is because of "pirate challenge effect", of course. |
| 19:54.16 | ktwilight | so what's the best practise solution? |
| 19:54.33 | dondelelcaro | unstable: anyway, what I would do is just have a normal system which boots, starts ssh, etc. Then I'd have to log in, verify that the system was still ok (checksums of everything good, I knew why it restarted, etc.) then supply the key to mount the encrypted drive. |
| 19:54.36 | tv-tom | bartm, you really that should fix it ? at the momment i use a jack cable.. should be the same thing right ? i see some problems on google about bttv and udev but i cant figure out how to fix it |
| 19:54.36 | Amarande | The most effective copy protections would to me actually seem to be the lightest ones. :) |
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| 19:54.46 | Vasistha | unstable: ...then it doesn't if someone spies on your data transmission, or if they break into the server, or whatever. And you don't need to deal with encrypting an entire partition. You could even use OTP's |
| 19:55.04 | Amarande | This is because heavy copy protection tends to attract pirates into breaking it just to see if they can, making it much more likely to be killed. |
| 19:55.31 | bnoji | just produce something no one wants to copy. |
| 19:55.37 | nvz | heh |
| 19:55.40 | Vasistha | Amarande: do you know how much sheet music is photocopied, even by professionals? Printers/publishers/copyright owners view it as a serious infringement |
| 19:55.47 | bnoji | some content to horrible it's not even worth it. |
| 19:56.00 | nvz | bnoji: thats Stephen King's job |
| 19:56.12 | nvz | he'd sue if you tried to take it from him |
| 19:56.16 | blondie | oi |
| 19:56.18 | bnoji | i downloaded his eBook for free just for the hell of it |
| 19:56.28 | Vasistha | Amarande: ...and sheet music is a burden to copy, it's tedious, and when it's been copied it's quite obvious to anyone using it that it's a (probably illegal) photocopy ... software is much easier |
| 19:56.29 | bnoji | when they offered it as a gimmick, but never actually read it |
| 19:56.40 | nvz | I dont have anything against him.. I just thought he was a big enough icon to pick on |
| 19:56.51 | bartm | tv-tom: missing btaudio, fixed with that little cable, rest works fine |
| 19:56.55 | unstable | Vasistha: right, my biggest hole is the network. |
| 19:56.55 | unstable | Vasistha: ie, a remote exploit for apache or something. |
| 19:57.27 | unstable | Vasistha: I'll probably setup a selinux policy(or get one already done online) to manhole an services on the machine running. |
| 19:57.46 | tv-tom | bartm: cool.. i will look into btaudio and see if i can fix it - thanks ! |
| 19:58.23 | Amarande | Vasistha: How about musicians who memorize it and then transcribe it by hand? :) |
| 19:58.30 | unstable | dondelelcaro: yea that's what I'll do. |
| 19:58.30 | unstable | dondelelcaro: I just hope they don't modify the md5sum binary |
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| 19:59.29 | Vasistha | Amarande: I was told a story recently... in the 80s, an orchestra from USSR came to visit the U.S. for some reason. One of the members of this orchestra made a copy of some of their materials -- painstakingly by hand, which he gave to someone in the U.S. orchestra. During a break, she went and made 50 photocopies for him, he was astounded and touched |
| 20:00.03 | dondelelcaro | unstable: well, what you could do is have a statically linked version which you copy to the computer and run, but even that won't really tell you much. |
| 20:00.14 | dondelelcaro | unstable: there's really only so much you can do |
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| 20:01.00 | dondelelcaro | it basically becomes a question of who you're defending yourself against. |
| 20:01.10 | gavagai | how do i use wget to download an *entire* website? |
| 20:01.17 | ktwilight | from the world...would be a good start. hmmm.... |
| 20:01.24 | cr3 | is there a way to determine which files have been modified in a package? for example, which configuration files have been modified would be useful to know. |
| 20:01.25 | nvz | paranoia is both the reason why security exists and why it never works as well as you'd like.. |
| 20:01.28 | bartm | gavagai: see the man page, "man wget", something with recursive |
| 20:01.33 | gavagai | bartm, thanks |
| 20:01.54 | nvz | gavagai: look into the httrack package as well |
| 20:01.54 | bartm | gavagai: don't download the whole internet :) |
| 20:02.00 | nvz | !info httrack |
| 20:02.10 | simonrvn | @kill httrack |
| 20:02.14 | nvz | hah |
| 20:02.17 | Vasistha | gavagai: I've also used pavuk with some success |
| 20:02.26 | simonrvn | it's a site sucker |
| 20:02.31 | nvz | thats the idea |
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| 20:03.41 | gavagai | bartm, oh no! my drive! lol |
| 20:03.56 | gavagai | bartm's comment seemed to work, i just set wget -r --level=5 |
| 20:04.06 | kencausey | [Evolution] Update, my primary problem turns out that spamc must now be installed for the junk plugin in Evo to work. Secondly the Not Junk button is only enabled for messages previously tagged a junk now. |
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| 20:07.19 | dpkg | httrack: (Copy websites to your computer (Offline browser)), section web, is optional. Version: 3.40.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 20:08.24 | guevolt | http://pastebin.com/705035 what is wrong here ? |
| 20:08.41 | cr3 | how can I remove pending packages with dependency problems? for example, I have wpasupplicant and libpam-frontend |
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| 20:09.25 | Vasistha | guevolt: what file is that? |
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| 20:10.19 | Vasistha | cr3: I know it's easy with synaptic to search for that stuff, but it also ought to be possible with dpkg -l to filter for such things; deborphan is also worth checking out |
| 20:10.50 | guevolt | Vasistha: named.conf |
| 20:11.49 | Shadowcat | eww |
| 20:11.52 | Shadowcat | synaptic sucks |
| 20:11.54 | Shadowcat | use aptitude |
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| 20:13.47 | KimmoA | Niggaz With Aptitude! |
| 20:13.53 | Gokee2 | What is a kioslave? |
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| 20:14.10 | cds | Can anyone recommend a print design app? |
| 20:14.13 | stew | KimmoA: that's not appropriate |
| 20:14.19 | KimmoA | :( |
| 20:14.33 | KimmoA | It was just a joke... |
| 20:14.46 | Amarande | KimmoA, please type apropos #debian at your bash prompt for proper language usage :) |
| 20:15.13 | Shadowcat | !smack KimmoA |
| 20:15.21 | KimmoA | >:/ |
| 20:15.44 | guevolt | Vasistha: i found the error. was the last octal. |
| 20:16.06 | Vasistha | guevolt: that's good, I hadn't a clue ;-) |
| 20:16.33 | Vasistha | Gokee2: kioslave has to do with kde's input/output strem system |
| 20:16.37 | Vasistha | *stream |
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| 20:17.32 | Gokee2 | Vasistha, hmmm. |
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| 20:17.48 | Gokee2 | There is a lot of new buttens in kde |
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| 20:18.40 | KimmoA | Oh. Debian was actually first with "packages"? |
| 20:19.08 | Shadowcat | debian was first with a lot of things |
| 20:19.10 | hjubal | hi |
| 20:19.19 | unstable | Vasistha: What about encryption type, My server uses 64 megs of RAM, and I have a gig of RAM, and 3.0 ghz ht cpu |
| 20:19.20 | lepton | KimmoA: hmm. SunOs had them years ago |
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| 20:19.31 | unstable | Vasistha: aes-256 ecb? |
| 20:19.33 | unstable | Or will that bog down my server badly |
| 20:19.33 | KimmoA | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html |
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| 20:19.59 | Vasistha | unstable: I dunno, man. I only have a little bit of actual experience here. I set it up on my brother's laptop, and I think it has 128 mb ram |
| 20:20.19 | Firehand | unstable: i use an aes encrypted partition with that amount of ram and type of cpu and i see no extra load here because of that |
| 20:20.59 | unstable | Vasistha: Do you remember what type of encryption you used? |
| 20:21.05 | Vasistha | KimmoA: debian wasn't the first distro to have "packages" ... and I think red hat's rpm system is probably older than debian's package management. But debian was the first distro to get package management *right* |
| 20:21.41 | Vasistha | unstable: I really don't. perhaps the default, or the one used in the instructions. |
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| 20:23.55 | nvz | damn according to gmaps pedometer I burned 1034 calories this afternoon |
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| 20:24.25 | nvz | I didnt even eat yet today.. I should probably do that |
| 20:24.37 | KimmoA | Pedo[phile]meter? :S |
| 20:24.41 | KimmoA | Just kidding... |
| 20:24.55 | KimmoA | Hmm... you have one of those? Does that mean that you care about your weight?! :O |
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| 20:25.25 | nvz | no I was looking to see how far I traveled today.. but I realized it could estimate calories too |
| 20:25.35 | nvz | does elevation and all |
| 20:25.53 | KimmoA | And then you realize that you have to run 40 km to eat one donut... |
| 20:25.57 | nvz | I am like 5'11" about 180lbs I dont need to worry about my weight |
| 20:26.07 | KimmoA | And get depressed and forever give up any ambitions of following those "schemes". |
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| 20:26.41 | nvz | I was walking around town trying to find a job not a weight loss program :P |
| 20:27.01 | KimmoA | :S :) |
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| 20:27.27 | KimmoA | Walking in this heat is even worse than walking normally is. |
| 20:28.16 | KimmoA | Why are you "required" to call Linux GNU/Linux again? |
| 20:28.29 | linux2 | well debian is installed |
| 20:28.30 | nvz | KimmoA: yeah well this was my afternoon walk today :P http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=233931 |
| 20:28.33 | linux2 | and it rocks!!!! |
| 20:29.09 | nvz | KimmoA: nobody requires it, its just that linux without the gnu tools is relativly useless so its "polite" not "required" |
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| 20:30.21 | KimmoA | nvz: Gah! That means dead legs. |
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| 20:30.44 | nvz | KimmoA: I didnt even work up a sweat or an appetite |
| 20:30.49 | raf256 | how stable is current XOrg 7 in debian "unstable"? |
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| 20:31.05 | nvz | KimmoA: my legs are a little tired though |
| 20:31.19 | KimmoA | :O |
| 20:31.27 | Amarande | Well, some people here do have full-blown sid on their computers, so I guess it has to at least run. |
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| 20:31.35 | Amarande | Don't quote me, though. :) |
| 20:31.45 | KimmoA | Full-blown sid? |
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| 20:32.02 | mate` | bye bye |
| 20:32.04 | Amarande | Yeah, there are people who solely run the unstable distribution. |
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| 20:32.30 | muttix | xorg 7 works fine.. need to hack a bit to get nvidia worling but heeyy.. who needs 3D |
| 20:32.33 | KimmoA | Not on production servers, I hope... |
| 20:32.43 | zinx | muttix: o_O |
| 20:32.46 | gavagai | wget is awesome. it (pretty much) worked and i downloaded the whole site |
| 20:32.52 | zinx | muttix: working fine here even with nVidia's drivers, no hacking required |
| 20:33.00 | nvz | just a casual walk from Star City, through suncrest, morgantown, westover, and granville... never hurt anybody |
| 20:33.11 | gavagai | so thanks for the help. only snag is it will only go recursive for five levels, so i probably have to find all the "deep" parts and download them |
| 20:33.20 | gavagai | already found one... |
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| 20:33.31 | muttix | zinx: cool... to be honest i did not try - a friend of mine just had to do some hacks and i read about it on the net.. |
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| 20:33.45 | zinx | muttix: probably was an idiot and didn't use the debian packages |
| 20:33.46 | KimmoA | I'm feeling frustrated about my Debian system. I need... like... info. |
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| 20:34.15 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: then go read |
| 20:34.15 | muttix | zinx: i tell him you said hi ;) |
| 20:34.17 | nvz | I need money... and food so ask a question, order me a pizza and send me a check |
| 20:34.19 | KimmoA | dpkg -L apache2 doesn't give anything useful.. |
| 20:34.20 | dpkg | No packages found matching apache2 doesn't give anything useful.. |
| 20:34.23 | KimmoA | s/../.../ |
| 20:34.23 | raf256 | I found a bug in ifrename - the default /etc/rcS.d/S40ifrename misses option "-t" which makes it almost useless for meany tasks. simple one liner diff on that file fixes it. In what format and to whom I should send the patch so it will be most easy for debian devel to include it in next release? |
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| 20:34.55 | muttix | KimmoA: dpkg -l|grep apache2 |
| 20:35.03 | Maulkin | raf256: Unified diff to the bug system :) |
| 20:35.22 | Maulkin | raf256: you can use 'reportbug' to send the report |
| 20:35.35 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.46 | KimmoA | muttix: Well... what I wanna know is stuff like where its config file is located, how you are supposed to turn it on/off without apachectl, and where its datadir is... |
| 20:35.51 | raf256 | Maulkin: I know how to report debian bugs |
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| 20:36.27 | muttix | KimmoA: whereis apache2 ;) |
| 20:36.29 | Maulkin | raf256: Well, the more info you can give the maintainers, the better. |
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| 20:37.02 | raf256 | damn! |
| 20:37.07 | raf256 | Attribute |
| 20:37.08 | raf256 | Values |
| 20:37.08 | KimmoA | I thought that apachectl was used for all platforms... Apparently not. |
| 20:37.10 | raf256 | printer-current-time |
| 20:37.20 | gavagai | nope, it'll go deeper than 5, awesome |
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| 20:38.06 | raf256 | :-& oh my god! sorry. terrible paste |
| 20:38.09 | muttix | KimmoA: "locate apache2" is better i think..he - and use "/etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
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| 20:38.36 | zinx | raf256: luckily for you, your client sent it as fast as it could, so you Excess flooded |
| 20:38.45 | raf256 | zinx: yey |
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| 20:38.58 | raf256 | I just wanted to paste one line god damnit |
| 20:39.11 | zinx | raf256: in case you don't paste quite that much, but still a lot, be sure to /quit - it won't flood us with everything then. |
| 20:39.12 | KimmoA | HMM... |
| 20:39.22 | raf256 | ok |
| 20:39.26 | KimmoA | So Debian does all such thing from that dir? Sounds reasonably sane... |
| 20:39.26 | Fish-Face | Is there a solid head's-up on the nvidia-glx situation in etch? Syanptic's proposed upgrade to xorg 7 wants to uninstall it. |
| 20:39.33 | KimmoA | s/thing/things/ |
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| 20:40.09 | zinx | Fish-Face: install a newer version.. you may just need a kernel module package (m-a a-i nvidia) |
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| 20:40.47 | zinx | Fish-Face: but i dunno etch's current state, really. i just know sid's been doing fine for a while |
| 20:40.48 | raf256 | I wanted to paste that: |
| 20:40.50 | raf256 | ijsgutenprint: the version of Gutenprint software installed (5.0.0-rc3) does not match the PPD file (5.0.0-rc2). |
| 20:40.54 | raf256 | I can fix it? |
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| 20:41.18 | KimmoA | :D :D :D |
| 20:41.28 | KimmoA | Debian shows Apache as "apache[2]" in the process list! |
| 20:41.31 | KimmoA | Finally! |
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| 20:41.47 | KimmoA | It calls itself "httpd" in FreeBSD... |
| 20:41.52 | KimmoA | That has bugged me a lot. |
| 20:42.08 | KimmoA | Since obviously, it's not the only httpd. |
| 20:42.10 | Shadowcat | linux != *bsd |
| 20:42.22 | Shadowcat | and I'm sure that can be edited somewhere |
| 20:42.29 | KimmoA | Duh. I'm just commenting on the things I find... |
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| 20:43.58 | KimmoA | This almost weights up the fact that I had to incorrectly name my user "kimmoa". |
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| 20:44.26 | Shadowcat | you can rename that you know |
| 20:44.45 | KimmoA | Well... it refused to let me use "KimmoA" at the installer... |
| 20:44.47 | Fish-Face | zinx, I can install nvidia-kernel for 2.6.16 (although I'm on 2.6.15) |
| 20:44.55 | KimmoA | So I guess the default regexp forbids it. |
| 20:44.58 | zinx | Fish-Face: yes |
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| 20:45.07 | zinx | Fish-Face: see 'man module-assistant' |
| 20:45.29 | zinx | Fish-Face: i think it's -l or something.. be sure to use the full version |
| 20:45.34 | cr3 | when I run apt-get -f install, I get: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded |
| 20:45.42 | cr3 | how can I determine which package is not upgraded? |
| 20:46.00 | stew | cr3: apt-get upgrade |
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| 20:46.40 | cr3 | stew: that returns: The following packages have been kept back: gdk-imlib1 |
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| 20:46.50 | cr3 | stew: how can I upgrade that? |
| 20:46.54 | wide_awake | hello |
| 20:46.56 | bartm | cr3: try this: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:47.02 | stew | cr3: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 20:47.52 | cr3 | I simply removed the package, there were no dependencies |
| 20:47.52 | wide_awake | is there any way to specify a "post-up" command in /etc/network/interfaces such that if it fails, the interface successfully comes up anyways (ie. "try this command, but I don't care if it actually succeeds") |
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| 20:48.24 | Shadowcat | wide_awake: it refreshes by itself I think |
| 20:49.06 | wide_awake | Shadowcat, the docs say that if the post-up command fails, the interface is marked as deconfigured. |
| 20:49.11 | Fish-Face | zinx, I have no idea what I just did :P |
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| 20:49.21 | zinx | Fish-Face: :x |
| 20:49.27 | wide_awake | I suppose I could just write a tiny wrapper to run it that always appears to have succeeded... |
| 20:49.58 | zinx | wide_awake: use || exit 0 |
| 20:50.04 | Fish-Face | synaptic still wants to remove nvidia-glx |
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| 20:50.23 | wide_awake | zinx, good idea |
| 20:50.25 | zinx | Fish-Face: does it tell you why? |
| 20:50.33 | KimmoA | Perl and Python have their own categories, but PHP doesn't? |
| 20:50.49 | Fish-Face | zinx, there was some conflict due to Xorg upgrading |
| 20:50.59 | Fish-Face | I think this required the removal of a package nvidia-glx was dependent on |
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| 20:51.04 | zinx | Fish-Face: what conflict? |
| 20:51.19 | Fish-Face | Hang on, let me try and find it |
| 20:51.52 | KimmoA | Am I seeing things? Insane things? Impossible things? Are there no PHP 5 packages?! |
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| 20:52.08 | stew | !php5 |
| 20:52.08 | zinx | KimmoA: sarge things, maybe. |
| 20:52.09 | dpkg | i heard php5 is in Etch but not in Sarge. For unofficial php5 packages for Sarge, ask me about dotdeb |
| 20:52.11 | KimmoA | I see tons of PHP 4 and even PHP 3 stuff... but the PHP 5 goodness is gone. |
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| 20:52.21 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: stop commenting on everything you see |
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| 20:52.24 | Shadowcat | we don't need a narration |
| 20:52.26 | stew | php5 =~ s#dotdeb#<bpo># |
| 20:52.30 | stew | !php5 =~ s#dotdeb#<bpo># |
| 20:52.30 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 20:52.31 | Fish-Face | zinx, yes, nvidia-glx depends on xserver-common, and xserver-xorg-7.x conflicts with that |
| 20:52.39 | zinx | Fish-Face: hmm |
| 20:52.42 | zinx | Fish-Face: doesn't here :x |
| 20:52.47 | stew | KimmoA: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:52.54 | Fish-Face | zinx, weirdness.. |
| 20:53.03 | zinx | erh, hmm |
| 20:53.04 | zinx | yes it does |
| 20:53.19 | Fish-Face | :D |
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| 20:53.26 | KimmoA | Are you trying to tell me that PHP 5, out for ages, is not yet considered "stable" enough to be in the stable Debian list of packages? |
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| 20:53.33 | zinx | Fish-Face: but then, so does xserver-xorg |
| 20:53.49 | zinx | ah |
| 20:53.50 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: we've discussed this to death, it's not in sarge, deal with it |
| 20:53.51 | Fish-Face | it does what as well? |
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| 20:54.14 | Shadowcat | and you don't seem to understand how debian stable works |
| 20:54.20 | zinx | Fish-Face: the 7.x package replaces xserver-common :x |
| 20:54.23 | KimmoA | Now, this is just madness... |
| 20:54.26 | Shadowcat | it wasn't stable when sarge was released, hence it's not in Sarge |
| 20:54.27 | stew | KimmoA: it was not ready at the time sarge was frozen (which was over a year ago) |
| 20:54.31 | Shadowcat | end of story, end of discussion |
| 20:54.38 | zinx | Fish-Face: in any case.. nothing's complaining about dependencies in sid |
| 20:54.40 | Fish-Face | zinx, and conflicts |
| 20:54.48 | Shadowcat | if you don't like it, don't run sarge |
| 20:55.02 | stew | no, if you don't like it, use a backport |
| 20:55.08 | KimmoA | You keep referring to "Sarge"... Is this the Debian word for "stable"? |
| 20:55.20 | Amarande | KimmoA: yes, sarge is the current stable release |
| 20:55.21 | stew | etch is a bad idea for an internet facing server |
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| 20:55.29 | zinx | Fish-Face: hmm, i may be using different packages |
| 20:55.29 | wedge | haha oh my ! |
| 20:55.31 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: go and read the debian reference |
| 20:55.32 | Amarande | etch is the testing release, and sid is the unstable release |
| 20:55.40 | Shadowcat | stew: it's a backup server that's only up once a week |
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| 20:55.44 | Amarande | the names for stable and testing change as releases are made, the unstable one is always "sid" though. |
| 20:55.50 | Shadowcat | all I do is store subversion repositories on it |
| 20:55.52 | unstable | What is an easy way to have a box automatically download a file.sh(using assymetric encryption), and then run the file. |
| 20:55.52 | unstable | Use sftp ? |
| 20:55.54 | wedge | KimmoA, one of the most notorious flamers on swedish forums |
| 20:55.55 | Fish-Face | zinx, are you on an nvidia card? Do you have nvidia-glx installed? :/ |
| 20:56.01 | wedge | he's _HERE_? |
| 20:56.02 | wedge | haha |
| 20:56.02 | KimmoA | wedge: Eh? |
| 20:56.04 | zinx | Fish-Face: try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php |
| 20:56.13 | zinx | Fish-Face: Yes. |
| 20:56.13 | Shadowcat | wedge: he's the reason my isp is banned everywhere |
| 20:56.15 | Shadowcat | damn moron |
| 20:56.23 | wedge | Kimmo Alm <- KimmoA |
| 20:56.30 | KimmoA | You keep repeating that and it might come true in your world... |
| 20:56.39 | Amarande | And of course it's typical of sites to consider it more important to be rid of trouble users than to allow legitimate users in. |
| 20:56.41 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: I have the logs to prove it too |
| 20:56.44 | Amarande | I've never understood that philosophy. |
| 20:56.45 | Fish-Face | zinx, ok, I think those are different packages |
| 20:56.51 | Amarande | After all, shouldn't positive thinking be the order of the day? :) |
| 20:56.57 | bartm | KimmoA: join debian and contribute so that php6 will be in debian stable in time :) |
| 20:57.04 | KimmoA | Shadowcat and wedge = two lusers who trollflame in public. |
| 20:57.07 | Shadowcat | Amarande: no seriously he's a damned troll |
| 20:57.11 | KimmoA | Go lie somewhere else. |
| 20:57.19 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: I have half of efnet to back me up |
| 20:57.24 | Shadowcat | surely we can't all lie |
| 20:57.27 | KimmoA | bartm: Why PHP 6? Just talking about PHP 5. |
| 20:57.39 | stew | KimmoA: Shadowcat: please take it elsewhere and/or use /ignore |
| 20:57.43 | KimmoA | Shadowcat: You're an insecure 13 year old. Go do your homework. |
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| 20:57.48 | wedge | KimmoA, you've been trolligt a lot of forums regarding PHP. Whenever there isnt a function you demand others to put it in for you. |
| 20:57.54 | wedge | Just google a bit for your own name and you'll see. |
| 20:57.56 | bartm | KimmoA: too late for php5, sarge (=current stable) is already released |
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| 20:58.03 | KimmoA | wedge: You're confusing me with somebody else. Please stop lying. |
| 20:58.09 | stew | wedge: KimmoA: stop. use ignore |
| 20:58.14 | Shadowcat | KimmoA: he's not confusing at all |
| 20:58.16 | wedge | stew: I will :) |
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| 20:58.21 | wedge | KimmoA: look at your whois reply |
| 20:58.26 | regrasso_damonus | hello =) |
| 20:58.27 | Shadowcat | that flaming behavior falls in line with your behavior |
| 20:58.33 | Shadowcat | but ya, as stew said, eod |
| 20:58.34 | KimmoA | It's fantastic how many psychos who are attracted to me... They're probably gay too. |
| 20:58.42 | regrasso_damonus | i know this is a dumb question, but i'm new: how do I check what version of pam and shadow i have? |
| 20:58.43 | Fish-Face | Yeesh, I've not even met this guy and he's still a blatant troll |
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| 20:59.11 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 20:59.11 | bartm | regrasso_damonus: dpkg -l pam |
| 20:59.11 | stew | KimmoA: you have been silenced for 10 minutes. keep it on topic in the future |
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| 20:59.16 | raf256 | huh huh |
| 20:59.16 | regrasso_damonus | thanks! |
| 20:59.25 | wedge | *chuckles* |
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| 20:59.28 | Fish-Face | hehe |
| 20:59.32 | Amarande | Unfortunately, you do have to use flame on trolls. |
| 20:59.38 | Amarande | If you don't burn them, they keep coming back. :) |
| 20:59.42 | stew | drop it |
| 20:59.44 | wedge | thanks stew, he's notorious in the swedisn webmasternetwork community. |
| 21:00.05 | wedge | anyway, just wanted to say thanks for a nice distribution too :) |
| 21:00.18 | bartm | quite some lines posted here are not related to debian at all, so please... |
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| 21:00.36 | kernel_panic | is it very difficult to get a framebuffer image on debian? |
| 21:00.42 | Shadowcat | not really |
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| 21:01.02 | kernel_panic | know any decent "how-to"s or good reference off hand? |
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| 21:01.09 | wedge | Shadowcat: yup, replied :) |
| 21:01.20 | Shadowcat | didn't get a reply :/ |
| 21:01.26 | wedge | Shadowcat: oops, moment have to reg |
| 21:02.08 | wedge | there =) |
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| 21:04.46 | regrasso_damonus | hatchahhhhhhhhhhhH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 21:05.51 | supermihi | hi |
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| 21:06.02 | supermihi | I have a serious problem with a debian server |
| 21:06.50 | supermihi | anyone here? |
| 21:06.52 | stew | !ask |
| 21:06.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:07.00 | supermihi | kk |
| 21:07.29 | supermihi | I have more than 2000 zombie processes, all direct subprocesses of init so there's no way to kill them |
| 21:07.42 | abrotman | reboot the machine |
| 21:07.51 | supermihi | is that the only way? |
| 21:07.55 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 21:07.55 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 21:08.00 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:08.04 | supermihi | it is a server that exports homes via NFS to about 30 computers |
| 21:08.04 | Amarande | would changing the runlevel do anything? |
| 21:08.05 | dondelelcaro | supermihi: zombies aren't a big deal, they just eat space in the process table. |
| 21:08.08 | supermihi | they're computing stuff |
| 21:08.47 | Amarande | Of course, this could mean there's something buggy with your init, but that's unlikely. |
| 21:08.49 | kernel_panic | does anyone know a good "how-to" or a nice reference for getting console background images? |
| 21:08.52 | dondelelcaro | supermihi: which version of sysvinit are you running anyway? |
| 21:09.00 | linux2 | anyone know where i can find good debian sources to add to apt-get? |
| 21:09.02 | Amarande | I do remember hearing once awhile ago about one person who was having desperate problems with his server though because somehow init had died. |
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| 21:09.06 | linux2 | and a tutorial as to how |
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| 21:09.11 | supermihi | dondelelcaro, debian testing, up-to-date |
| 21:09.15 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: there is a buggy init which was doing that... but it's been a while. |
| 21:09.27 | dondelelcaro | supermihi: sure, but which version? |
| 21:09.41 | abrotman | supermihi: might be better to find out where the zombies are coming from |
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| 21:10.00 | supermihi | abrotman, how should I |
| 21:10.06 | abrotman | what are they? |
| 21:10.25 | supermihi | mostly nagios, a few sshd, cupsd, one init (but not number 1) |
| 21:10.29 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's most likely a bug in init or the kernel; I seem to remember there being one like this a while ago. |
| 21:10.40 | supermihi | apache2 |
| 21:10.46 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:10.57 | supermihi | nfsd |
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| 21:11.06 | supermihi | ping (157 times!) |
| 21:11.07 | wedge | has anyone noticed any weird bugs with apache2 in debian stable where it slowly grinds to a half even though cpu-usage isnt heavy? |
| 21:11.08 | hjubal | can someone help me with apt? I've got this error: http://pastebin.com/705188 |
| 21:11.32 | abrotman | supermihi: ping is a zombie ? |
| 21:11.32 | linux2 | anyone know where i can find good debian sources to add to apt-get? |
| 21:11.40 | supermihi | 157 zombie ping processes |
| 21:11.48 | abrotman | !tell linux2 about mirrors |
| 21:11.59 | supermihi | 2910 nagios zombies |
| 21:12.01 | supermihi | :( |
| 21:12.02 | dondelelcaro | supermihi: in any case, just ignore the zombies for now, and restart the server when your maintenance window opens. |
| 21:12.19 | dondelelcaro | rexecing init may also fix the problem, but that's unlikely. |
| 21:12.27 | supermihi | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 21:12.31 | abrotman | sighup ? |
| 21:12.32 | supermihi | rexecing? |
| 21:12.38 | Vasistha | hjubal: it looks like you're trying to install different versions of the same package simultaneously. You'll probably have to uninstall the older ones before you isntall the backports |
| 21:12.42 | abrotman | re-execing .. i think is what he meant |
| 21:12.49 | dondelelcaro | supermihi: man telinit; read about u |
| 21:12.59 | abrotman | i think anyways |
| 21:13.07 | supermihi | its running kernel 2.6.11 atm, I forgot to update grub and someone did a reboot in my absence. normally its 2.6.15 |
| 21:13.09 | hjubal | Vasistha, I', trying to update libwxgtk2.6-dev |
| 21:13.21 | dondelelcaro | yeah, reexecute; the second e was chopped off. |
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| 21:13.35 | supermihi | dondelelcaro, ok :) |
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| 21:14.00 | dondelelcaro | you may want to hold out on that until your maintenance window opens too; zombies are for the most part a cosmetic problem |
| 21:14.19 | dondelelcaro | (well, until you get so many that your process table fills) |
| 21:14.26 | Vasistha | hjubal: ...yeah. Would it be unreasonable to uninstall libwxbase2.6 and libwxgtk2.6 ? |
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| 21:14.36 | Vasistha | hjubal: ...and then try again? |
| 21:15.00 | Amarande | Say, what -does- happen when your process table fills and you try to start another? |
| 21:15.02 | Amarande | Kernel panic? |
| 21:15.23 | hjubal | Vasistha, ok I'm going to uninstall libwxbase2.6 and libwxgtk2.6 |
| 21:15.28 | supermihi | dondelelcaro, well there are a few applcations that behave weird. Could that be related? e.g. cups seems to not work right ATM |
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| 21:15.45 | dondelelcaro | supermihi: nope |
| 21:15.48 | Amarande | 2.6.11 sounds like a kernel you shouldn't be running, either |
| 21:15.59 | supermihi | some users complained that printing jobs didn't reach the printer |
| 21:16.08 | Amarande | the Linuxes I've seen lately seem to run 2.6.8 or 2.6.12-15 |
| 21:16.39 | Amarande | Many of the 2.6 series kernels are buggy, since they did away with the minor version distinction between testing and stable kernels |
| 21:16.50 | supermihi | and since there are so many dead cups processes, maybe the thing that turned them undead also disturbs the running cups |
| 21:16.54 | Vasistha | hjubal: you may need to apt-get those packages again from backports ... and if they're not available, then it may be a backports bug :P |
| 21:17.16 | Amarande | By the way, has etch fixed the gnome CD player bug yet? |
| 21:17.18 | supermihi | Amarande, yeah it was an accident :( |
| 21:17.23 | kernel_panic | does anyone know a good "how-to" or a nice reference for getting console background images? |
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| 21:17.40 | hjubal | Vasistha, packages are available ar backports.. |
| 21:18.06 | hjubal | Vasistha, I'm not able to remove them.. look at http://pastebin.com/705209 plz |
| 21:18.09 | abrotman | kernel_panic: ask google or ##linux .. |
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| 21:19.16 | kronoz | kernel-panic, check out splashy |
| 21:19.26 | Vasistha | hjubal: oh, first apt-get remove libwxbase2.6-0c102 libwxgtk2.6-0c102 and then apt-get remove the older ones, then try again to install the backports |
| 21:19.53 | hjubal | Vasistha, ok |
| 21:19.56 | supermihi | ok so I'll restart that server with the zombie processes, but I'm afraid I have to wait until tommorow night :-| |
| 21:20.01 | supermihi | could it be a hardware failure? |
| 21:20.09 | abrotman | oh .. that'd be cool! |
| 21:20.28 | supermihi | abrotman, what exactly? |
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| 21:21.00 | abrotman | hardware failure! |
| 21:21.07 | mattt | my box has numerous directories in /proc starting with . (ie. /proc/.29422 |
| 21:21.11 | mattt | ) ... is that normal? |
| 21:21.15 | supermihi | abrotman, I'd find that less cool ;) |
| 21:21.20 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:21.36 | supermihi | hard disk error is unlikely, since it uses raid mirroring |
| 21:21.46 | hjubal | Vasistha, http://pastebin.com/705219.. I'm not able to remove it :( |
| 21:22.04 | supermihi | well I'll run a memtest before I boot it up again, anyway |
| 21:22.38 | abrotman | supermihi: raid doesn't prevent drives from dying |
| 21:22.44 | stew | mattt: i don't think that is normal. is there a /proc/.29422/cmdline? |
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| 21:22.57 | supermihi | abrotman, but should make read errors very very unlikely, or not? |
| 21:23.02 | mattt | stew: yes, but there is no proc 29422 :) |
| 21:23.10 | stew | mattt: what is the cmdline? |
| 21:23.46 | deadcat | how do i know if my box is little or big endian? |
| 21:23.53 | Vasistha | hjubal: yeah, you need to get the help of someone who knows apt much better than I do... you probably shouldn't have ever done the -f install, but since that's done, the conflicts need to be resolved... |
| 21:23.56 | abrotman | supermihi: you hope ... |
| 21:24.09 | supermihi | :-) |
| 21:24.22 | amphi | deadcat: it _might_ be middle-endian ;) |
| 21:24.22 | mattt | stew: cwd -> /var/lib/mysql |
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| 21:24.38 | hjubal | Vasistha, thanks anyway.. I'm going to study apt further |
| 21:24.57 | Vasistha | hjubal: I think you're actually making progress, you just need to do one more remove? |
| 21:25.15 | mattt | stew: and cmdline is /usr/libexec/mysqldvar/lib/mysql/mysql.sock, but this does not exist |
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| 21:25.52 | stew | deadcat: what arch? |
| 21:25.57 | deadcat | stew: Arm |
| 21:26.17 | stew | oh that could be either |
| 21:26.22 | Vasistha | hjubal: also, if you run synaptic, it has a way of detecting conflicts and helping resolve them. Of course it should be possible to resolve with CLI tools, but since we don't know how, it might be easier with synaptic |
| 21:26.39 | jjazz | Is there any way to see how much time is left on my dhcp lease? |
| 21:26.48 | abrotman | deadcat: maybe /proc/cpuinfo ? |
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| 21:26.53 | hjubal | Vasistha, is it a good idea to mix apt with synaptic? |
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| 21:27.16 | Vasistha | hjubal: yeah, that's fine. What you don't want to mix is aptitude, with anything |
| 21:27.22 | deadcat | abrotman: i tried that on my x86 and it doesnt show.. i am getting the Arm maybe later today. |
| 21:27.41 | bartm | jjazz: see /var/run/dhclient.eth0.leases |
| 21:27.46 | jjazz | bartm: thanks |
| 21:28.25 | stew | /lib/libc-2.3.6.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object <- does the LSB mean little endian maybe? (/me doesn't have access to any big endian systems) |
| 21:28.26 | mattt | stew: any idea what could be causing this? |
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| 21:28.29 | abrotman | deadcat: yeah .. because x86 can't be both .. just one |
| 21:28.33 | stew | mattt: no, i don't |
| 21:28.43 | abrotman | stew: or Linux Standards Base ? |
| 21:28.45 | deadcat | abrotman: ah |
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| 21:29.35 | jjazz | Hmm... that didn't do it. Anybody else have a guess at how I can see how much time is left on a dhcp lease? |
| 21:29.36 | Mr-R | hi there. I want to use php4 and php5 on one webserver. and i want to use packages from sarge. so i just downloaded the php5-cgi package from backports.org and reconfigured the apache-server to map .php5-files to the php5-cgi and all other .php-files to php4 from libapache-mod-php4. would you recommend some other setup (eg. for some security reason)? |
| 21:29.40 | supermihi | cu |
| 21:30.10 | supermihi | I'll report news of my fight against the zombies :) |
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| 21:31.11 | abrotman | jjazz: ethtool maybe? ... |
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| 21:33.27 | stew | jjazz: /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases |
| 21:33.45 | rares000 | Xorg.0.log says DRI is enabled glxinfo says it's not and planetpenguin-racer crawls |
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| 21:34.06 | hjubal | Vasistha, great! ..but, I'm astonished! Synaptic did the work! It has removed libwx(gtk|base)2.6-dev |
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| 21:34.37 | hjubal | Vasistha, http://pastebin.com/705262 |
| 21:35.04 | jjazz | stew: Found it. Thanks. |
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| 21:35.26 | Vasistha | hjubal: heh, alright... great! I'll be away... good luck |
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| 21:39.10 | rares000 | missing libgl1-mesa-dri hmm that should fix it |
| 21:39.37 | stew | rares000: apt-get install xorg |
| 21:40.23 | rares000 | it is installed |
| 21:40.47 | rares000 | the libgl1-mesa-glx package doesn't have the dri drivers |
| 21:40.49 | stew | rares000: if it was, then libgl1-mesa-dri would be installed |
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| 21:41.51 | rares000 | libgl1-mesa-glx is claimed as a version of libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 21:42.55 | Seb | is there any console browser that supports javascript ? |
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| 21:46.41 | amphi | Seb: I think links may support some |
| 21:46.45 | stew | Seb: links2 maybe |
| 21:46.54 | Seb | amphi: links doesn't , afaics |
| 21:46.58 | Seb | stew: k, i'll try that |
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| 21:51.13 | Gokee2 | whats it mean when I am doing a apt get update and it says "reading package lists... Error! E: dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occurred while processing bootsplash-theme-fedora (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/debian.bootsplash.de_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened."? |
| 21:51.33 | stew | Gokee2: /msg dpkg mmap |
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| 21:51.55 | Gokee2 | stew, ok |
| 21:53.44 | kreg_work | anyone ever heard of a php based ip address organizer tool? |
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| 21:55.17 | kspath | kreg_work: ip address organizer? |
| 21:55.25 | kreg_work | yes |
| 21:55.36 | Gokee2 | synergys --config De |
| 21:55.42 | kreg_work | other than a giant spreadsheet |
| 21:55.46 | kspath | kreg_work: What is that? |
| 21:55.48 | kreg_work | something for an ISP |
| 21:55.53 | Gokee2 | bla I hate having so many keyboards |
| 21:56.06 | kspath | kreg_work: I worked many years to ISPs. That makes no sense to me. |
| 21:56.13 | kreg_work | kspath, and ip address organizer. a way to organize a big list of where you have assigned various addresses to |
| 21:56.19 | kspath | kreg_work: Are you asking about IP provisioning? |
| 21:56.25 | kreg_work | ... |
| 21:56.58 | kreg_work | http://freshmeat.net/projects/phpip/ |
| 21:57.04 | kreg_work | this is the best i've found "so far" |
| 21:57.10 | kreg_work | but have not had much success with it. |
| 21:57.20 | kspath | kreg_work: Write you own? |
| 21:57.27 | kreg_work | no thank you |
| 21:57.46 | Gokee2 | Yes! I am back to using only one keyboard/mouse :) |
| 21:58.06 | kspath | kreg_work: apt-cache search php ;apt-cache search ip |
| 21:58.33 | kreg_work | i wasn't asking how to search apt |
| 21:58.46 | kreg_work | i was asking for advise if anyone has had such similar experience needing such a tool |
| 21:58.56 | kspath | kreg_work: Why ask about a php script in #debian when there is a php channel? |
| 21:59.13 | kreg_work | why not just not reply to my question if you have zero input? |
| 21:59.35 | kreg_work | and debian "may" of had such a tool that would of been well known that i had yet not known. |
| 22:00.31 | kspath | kreg_work: I think the input you need is that your question is mostly off-topic. You might consider searching for IP provisioning and IP mangagement. You might also consider asking more network centric channels assuming it is within their guidelines. |
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| 22:01.03 | Gokee2 | Do I need a extra source to install xine? |
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| 22:01.35 | jahshua | how can i check what version of Debian im using ? |
| 22:02.00 | Gokee2 | jahshua, for the kernel do uname -a |
| 22:02.04 | cureless | jahshua: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:02.14 | jahshua | thanks |
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| 22:02.26 | Shadowcat | what are you doing in here? |
| 22:02.39 | jahshua | heya Shadowcat :) |
| 22:02.44 | Shadowcat | hey |
| 22:02.50 | jahshua | ok so 3.1 woot |
| 22:03.12 | kspath | jahshua: Congratulations! |
| 22:04.04 | wide_awake | when I execute "run-parts --test /srv/bin", I get no output, even though /srv/bin contains a number of executable files. Anyone know why that would be? |
| 22:04.04 | jahshua | ;o |
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| 22:06.30 | cureless | wide_awake: are they executable? |
| 22:06.44 | wide_awake | cureless, |
| 22:06.46 | wide_awake | yes |
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| 22:06.57 | wide_awake | the filename had ".sh" at the end. |
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| 22:07.04 | wide_awake | doesn't like the "." it looks like... |
| 22:07.56 | Vasistha | alright, I'm trying to figure out the easiest way to install sarge on a second box, with the minimum amount of downloading. I have a cool 500 MB of apt cache archives, and additionally an iso of 3.1r0a ... would it be easier to copy all those files to the new box first, or to try to share them on the network? |
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| 22:08.41 | wide_awake | from TFM: If the --lsbsysinit option is not given then the names must consist entirely of upper and lower case letters, digits, underscores, and hyphens. |
| 22:08.42 | kaouete | hi |
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| 22:09.23 | kaouete | is there a good doc to configure the testing package of cupsys ? it doesnt work at all, even after purging old install of cupsys |
| 22:09.46 | kaouete | it looks like it hangs when trying to install the certs |
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| 22:10.19 | smax | hi gang |
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| 22:10.42 | smax | kill <apt process> is failing to kill the processes i want killed |
| 22:11.05 | smax | im doing an apt-setup and i need the pids dead from ctrl-z |
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| 22:11.28 | phogg | smax: if it's suspended you probably need to continue the process before it can be killed |
| 22:11.34 | smax | oh yes |
| 22:11.44 | robin_sz | not with -9 you dont :) |
| 22:11.46 | smax | i'll try turning it off by the program |
| 22:12.01 | robin_sz | try killall -9 <processname> |
| 22:12.12 | phogg | smax: kill -CONT <pid>. The other signal should catch up with it, if not issue it again. |
| 22:12.46 | phogg | robin_sz: solving problems with a sledgehammer... |
| 22:13.29 | robin_sz | yeah, im feeling gentle today. on bad days I just nuke em from orbit with the power lead |
| 22:13.45 | phogg | Mmm, google earth. |
| 22:13.48 | cureless | you want a hammer? try kill -9 1 (don't) |
| 22:14.08 | phogg | cureless: tee hee. I've done that by mistake before |
| 22:14.17 | robin_sz | many linuxes wont let you do that |
| 22:14.19 | phogg | due to trigger-happy command history substitution |
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| 22:14.56 | cureless | I have to be careful, I've been rm -r lots of !$ without looking. |
| 22:15.28 | cureless | "<robin_sz> many linuxes wont let you do that" is that a trick question to get people to try it out? :-) |
| 22:15.49 | robin_sz | cureless, actually, no it isnt ... |
| 22:15.51 | phogg | robin_sz: eh? Protecting you from yourself? Surely not! That's about the most un-linuxy thing I've ever heard! |
| 22:16.12 | cureless | nobody can protect me from me! |
| 22:16.21 | smax | ok i think they're dead now, thanx guys |
| 22:16.33 | cureless | even my psychiatrist agrees |
| 22:17.02 | Vasistha | phogg: ubuntu disables the root account so everything is done through sudo |
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| 22:17.31 | cureless | lets see what the kill does ... |
| 22:17.58 | cureless | easily solved with sudo kill |
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| 22:18.15 | Gokee2 | ubuntu disables the root account so everything is done through sudo? Ouch. |
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| 22:18.22 | Lin | hi all! I have acquired an Dell Power Edge 6800 with a PERC 4e/Di Standard FW 521X, but debian sarge with kernel 2.6 didn't recognize the disks. There is some faq/howto to make work with debian installer? |
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| 22:19.10 | phogg | Vasistha: that's false security--you can still screw up but you don't have that # to make you paranoid. |
| 22:19.12 | stew | Lin: /msg dpkg install on dell |
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| 22:19.22 | Lin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:19.34 | nico8481 | hi |
| 22:19.49 | Lin | stew, thank you |
| 22:20.05 | nico8481 | is there a command like "apt-cache showpkg" but for *installed* packages? |
| 22:20.09 | Lin | stew!! ;-) with a newer Linux 2.4 !!!! |
| 22:20.15 | Vasistha | phogg: hmm, maybe I should set my custom bash prompt to use the standard $ and # |
| 22:20.54 | nico8481 | or if not, how can i get check the md5sum of an installed package? |
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| 22:21.58 | stew | nico8481: debsums will check the md5 of the individual files in a package |
| 22:22.01 | dondelelcaro | nico8481: cd /; md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/foopkg.md5sum; |
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| 22:22.10 | jjazz | nico8481: Or you could find the package in /var/cache/apt/archives and run md5sum on it |
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| 22:22.42 | nico8481 | jjazz: yup, i forgot to mention "provided that it's not in my cache anymore" :-) |
| 22:22.43 | nico8481 | thanks |
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| 22:23.03 | nico8481 | stew: in an installed one? |
| 22:24.39 | cureless | surprise surprise, kill -KILL 1 doesn't behave as expected, though you can use kill -INT 1. |
| 22:24.55 | nico8481 | dondelelcaro: oh ok so that file contains the sums of all the files contained in the (last) foopkg package i installed, isn't it? |
| 22:26.38 | war92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.07 | phogg | war92: looks plenty wine-ish to me.... |
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| 22:28.54 | war92 | phogg: QT |
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| 22:29.43 | manni_mantaa | http://tinyurl.com/lpn8h LOL |
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| 22:30.50 | phogg | war92: ldd confirms you're right. They're using the redmond qt look, which threw me off. |
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| 22:31.15 | beardy | !ops manni_mantaa [i=tinufan@p5480538F.dip.t-dialin.net , spammer |
| 22:31.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: beardy complains about: manni_mantaa [i=tinufan@p5480538F.dip.t-dialin.net , spammer |
| 22:31.18 | elliptic | I have a file with no eol. How can I add the eol ? |
| 22:31.37 | benjamindees | elliptic, eof you mean? |
| 22:31.56 | benjamindees | elliptic, otherwise, for eol, use dos2unix or unix2dos |
| 22:31.57 | elliptic | benjamindees: non eol it's diplayed in vi or vim |
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| 22:32.34 | dondelelcaro | nico8481: yes, it has the md5sums of all of the files in that package. |
| 22:32.36 | Maulkin | Well, that didn't work. |
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| 22:32.50 | nico8481 | k thx |
| 22:32.51 | elliptic | benjamindees: dos2unix ? |
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| 22:32.53 | Lin | stew, this image has some "problems", as I could notice there is no support for LVM2 and XFS |
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| 22:33.05 | benjamindees | elliptic, in the sysutils package |
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| 22:33.17 | elliptic | benjamindees: it's does not contain dos eol ... |
| 22:33.25 | RHyS | so yea, if you use apt-get -d, where does it download the files? |
| 22:33.43 | benjamindees | elliptic, umm, hmm |
| 22:33.45 | beardy | !dos2unix |
| 22:33.45 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 22:33.53 | RHyS | atm in on bitchx at the console of my server..standing up..and my neck is hurting becuase im looking up at the screen |
| 22:34.18 | RHyS | and i want to be debian at home for a client os...but i need x, and im dialup..so i downloaded the files, but now i need t |
| 22:34.31 | RHyS | to find where they are so i can take them home |
| 22:35.18 | philips | How do I get cups to work with https hosts? I have downloaded the Debian source and noted this in the rules: -disable-openssl |
| 22:35.37 | benjamindees | elliptic, echo \n >>file |
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| 22:35.58 | elliptic | benjamindees: I will try good idea |
| 22:35.58 | RHyS | fook me... |
| 22:36.00 | Infal | hey |
| 22:36.17 | Infal | can you help me with setting up knoppix on hdd ? |
| 22:36.21 | beardy | !beer Maulkin |
| 22:36.28 | benjamindees | elliptic, or echo -e "\n" >> file |
| 22:36.42 | Maulkin | \o/ |
| 22:36.44 | RHyS | godamn |
| 22:36.47 | RHyS | i want a beer |
| 22:36.50 | Infal | i get error msgs when i try to start the instalation |
| 22:36.53 | Maulkin | Guinness. Proper beer |
| 22:36.56 | beardy | Infal: No we can not. Ask #knoppix about that. If you want to install Debian: |
| 22:37.04 | beardy | !d-i Infal |
| 22:37.04 | dpkg | Infal, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 22:37.19 | RHyS | Apt-get -d=YES install xyz << where does it download xyz?? |
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| 22:37.36 | Infal | no not debiann on knoppix nobody anser |
| 22:37.47 | Infal | so i ask here |
| 22:37.49 | Infal | =\ |
| 22:37.57 | RHyS | go to ##linux |
| 22:38.06 | RHyS | try them first |
| 22:38.15 | Vasistha | Infal: well, we can't help you install knoppix... sorry to hear that you can't find help in other places you've looked... but we cannot help you here |
| 22:38.39 | Infal | =\ |
| 22:38.41 | Infal | ok |
| 22:38.52 | beardy | Infal: It is still the wrong place, if they don't answer, you can clearlsy see where all the people are, here, and Debian is what is supported here, so install Debian if you want our help. |
| 22:38.58 | RHyS | Vasistha !! course you cant. but apt is definitly debian, and maybe you know where the download flag makes it put the .debs |
| 22:38.59 | benjamindees | okay, so if I have something like 'BLAH=blah; $(MAKE)' in a debian/rules file should that make the BLAH variable available to make? |
| 22:39.27 | RHyS | maybe? :( |
| 22:39.31 | beardy | RHyS: Same place as always, I suppose. |
| 22:39.52 | RHyS | and where is always in a form of directorys starting from / ? |
| 22:39.57 | Infal | mb you can anser one more question |
| 22:40.05 | RHyS | i dont thing bash understands cd always |
| 22:40.09 | Vasistha | RHyS: was that in response to something I said a long time ago? |
| 22:40.19 | USMarine | mirror for nvidia drivers does any1 know? |
| 22:40.23 | beardy | RHyS: doesn't understand cd, what? |
| 22:40.24 | Infal | can you tell me how can setup PPPoE |
| 22:40.26 | Infal | on linux |
| 22:40.34 | beardy | !pppoe |
| 22:40.34 | dpkg | i guess pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 22:40.36 | RHyS | no, uit was in response to you saying you cant help knoppix guy |
| 22:40.52 | Vasistha | !nvidia USMarine |
| 22:40.54 | RHyS | no idea. im on dialup, and 1/4 T1 here |
| 22:41.10 | USMarine | !nvidia |
| 22:41.11 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 22:41.25 | Infal | wow |
| 22:41.27 | Vasistha | USMarine: oh, and /msg dpkg |
| 22:42.01 | RHyS | maybe someone with more than w3m could search? |
| 22:42.17 | benjamindees | Vasistha, you want something like !tell USMarine about nvidia |
| 22:42.22 | RHyS | im going to cry. mainly because there is a crimp in my neck that is harder than a diamond. |
| 22:42.48 | Lin | why megaraid driver isn't on default debian installation? |
| 22:43.01 | beardy | RHyS: You can find out yourself by, 'updatedb : locate .deb | grep <packagename you installed with apt-get> |
| 22:43.09 | Vasistha | benjamindees: yeah... but sometimes I've seen people use the same syntax I used, and then dpkg responded with "So-and-so: factoid" |
| 22:43.17 | RHyS | seee |
| 22:43.28 | RHyS | knew you guys would help. ty |
| 22:43.29 | benjamindees | !nvidia me |
| 22:43.37 | RHyS | locate |
| 22:43.39 | RHyS | kk |
| 22:43.42 | beardy | RHyS: 'updatedb ; locate .deb | grep <packagename you installed with apt-get>' |
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| 22:47.13 | Vasistha | benjamindees: like this... |
| 22:47.22 | Vasistha | !drxx somerandomguy |
| 22:47.22 | dpkg | somerandomguy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:50.13 | benjamindees | yeah I think dpkg's owner has to enable that |
| 22:50.37 | Vasistha | benjamindees: probably only works for certain factoids, huh |
| 22:50.59 | benjamindees | !drxx me |
| 22:50.59 | dpkg | benjamindees: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:51.03 | benjamindees | I guess |
| 22:51.08 | Vasistha | ...fancy... |
| 22:51.50 | Vasistha | well anyway, I'm still wondering what the easiest way is to install sarge with minimal downloads, given that I have an iso and a big apt cache archive on a different computer here |
| 22:52.46 | benjamindees | use jigdo to make cds from the archive? |
| 22:53.23 | Vasistha | benjamindees: I don't think I have access to cd writing right now, it would be much easier to copy files over the network |
| 22:53.25 | benjamindees | setup a ftp/http server, install a minimal system with networking |
| 22:53.30 | stew | !cmd: drxxorg (.*) is $1: <reply> $1: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5> |
| 22:53.39 | Lin | debian sarg disk with kernel 2.4 recognizes megaraid2 card but 2.6 didn't, there is some explanation? There isn't driver to this card on kernel2.6? |
| 22:53.39 | stew | hrm |
| 22:55.11 | stew | Lin: others have reported that issue with 2.6.8 from sarge, you could try 2.6.16 from backports: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 22:56.25 | Lin | stew, ok. thank you one more time! ;-) |
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| 22:56.30 | dmesg | hi |
| 22:56.35 | dmesg | i need help |
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| 22:57.16 | dmesg | how can i put that spiral in my machine? http://flickr.com/photos/zodman/164551179/in/photostream/ |
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| 23:01.21 | benjamindees | !linuxlogo |
| 23:01.21 | dpkg | well, linuxlogo is a neato ascii color graphic that displays with the login: prompt |
| 23:01.37 | dmesg | ahhh |
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| 23:02.32 | unstable | I have a 400 gig hard disk drive, and CentOS is on 4 gigs, and a 1 gig swap, and the rest is unpartitioned space. ANyone have a guide for making an encrypted loopback file system, with "cryptsetup" package using aes-256 |
| 23:02.56 | nanotube | hello, why when using apt-get upgrade some packages are kept back on etch? any particular reason for that? thanks |
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| 23:03.54 | _rain | nanotube: if upgrading the package would break your system, it's held back |
| 23:04.16 | _rain | i'm sure it's a lil more specific than that, but that's the general idea |
| 23:06.52 | nanotube | _rain: thanks .. so I need to wait? |
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| 23:07.23 | nanotube | _rain: and they will eventually become available? |
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| 23:15.20 | paulswm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:17.01 | beep_beep | HELLO USER #666 |
| 23:17.11 | nc | --help |
| 23:17.14 | nc | how 2 |
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| 23:17.18 | Ronin | nc: just state the problem |
| 23:17.25 | nc | Ronin: your dick is not in my mouth |
| 23:17.41 | Lin | why backports xen conflicts with grub? |
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| 23:18.22 | opnsrc | when I try to double click the little speaker at the bottom right, it says |
| 23:18.24 | Ronin | that the best you can do nc |
| 23:18.24 | opnsrc | "Failed to start Volume Control: Failed to execute child process "gnome-volume-control" (No such file or directory)" |
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| 23:18.59 | amphi | !dickometer nc |
| 23:19.00 | dpkg | nc is 92.9% phallic, amphi. |
| 23:19.31 | jjazz | opnsrc: does /usr/bin/gnome-volume-control exist? |
| 23:19.42 | nc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.43 | nc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.43 | nc | | '_ \| '_ \| '_ \ |
| 23:19.43 | nc | | (_) | (_) | (_) | |
| 23:19.43 | nc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:20.10 | dmesg | nc :O |
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| 23:20.37 | opnsrc | No it does not |
| 23:20.51 | opnsrc | I suppose that must be the problem |
| 23:21.23 | jjazz | opnsrc: Yup. |
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| 23:21.57 | jjazz | opnsrc: You can find out what package gnome-volume-control is in via apt-cache search or apt-file search. Make sure that package is installed. |
| 23:22.08 | opnsrc | k thanks |
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| 23:22.11 | jjazz | np |
| 23:22.39 | opnsrc | I thought apt-cache search would only list packages |
| 23:22.40 | opnsrc | but thanks |
| 23:22.46 | opnsrc | didn't know that |
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| 23:22.54 | jjazz | opnsrc: apt-file, then |
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| 23:24.20 | opnsrc | neither one of them pops up anything |
| 23:24.52 | opnsrc | wait a minute |
| 23:25.00 | opnsrc | Can I type apt-file update |
| 23:25.29 | opnsrc | or update |
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| 23:26.19 | opnsrc | how do I download the list for apt-file to update all the files each package contains? |
| 23:26.50 | jjazz | apt-file update |
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| 23:30.48 | guerra | how do i change to unstable debian version? |
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| 23:31.42 | amphi | guerra: "if you need to ask, you shouldn't", seems to be the consensus ;) |
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| 23:32.50 | guerra | amphi: lol, good one, i jusnt want to install a java package that i think is available in unstable, its the java 1,5 non free sdk |
| 23:32.56 | lostson | when i upgrade whati are the packages held back for ? |
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| 23:33.36 | opnsrc | when I type apt-file update it just sits there and does nothing |
| 23:34.46 | stew | guerra: /msg dpkg install java |
| 23:35.59 | Amarande | guerra: careful, scary things lie down that path |
| 23:36.03 | Amarande | you might even install Ubuntu |
| 23:36.04 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:37.01 | jjazz | opnsrc: gnome-media is the package. Check if it's installed. |
| 23:37.01 | guerra | Amarande: lol wont even try then |
| 23:37.09 | opnsrc | nthanks |
| 23:37.20 | opnsrc | well apt-file just finished |
| 23:37.21 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 23:37.25 | opnsrc | and now it seems to work |
| 23:37.26 | jjazz | it's slow |
| 23:37.30 | opnsrc | apt-file now seems to work |
| 23:37.32 | amphi | lostson: they can be held back if, for example, the new version depemds on a package not currently installed |
| 23:38.04 | lostson | amphi: how do i get rid of that |
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| 23:38.32 | jjazz | lostson: apt-get update does not install new packages. If you want apt-get to install new packages, figure out what the missing dependencies are and install them. Or, just do apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 23:38.34 | amphi | lostson: get rid of what? |
| 23:38.38 | godmachine81 | can anyone here help with installing e17 on sarge? |
| 23:38.55 | lostson | jjazz: thanks |
| 23:38.58 | jjazz | !ask |
| 23:38.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:39.07 | jjazz | lostson: np |
| 23:39.07 | opnsrc | thanks, I'm installing it now |
| 23:39.34 | opnsrc | ok, it works |
| 23:39.35 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 23:39.37 | jjazz | cool |
| 23:39.38 | unstable | Is it a bad idea do use "badblocks" on a hard disk that is being used(badblocks binary/the os is on this disk) |
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| 23:40.34 | godmachine81 | nobody here knows how to install e17 on sarge |
| 23:40.59 | jjazz | unstable: look into e2fsck |
| 23:41.00 | amphi | godmachine81: build it from source? |
| 23:41.34 | amphi | godmachine81: has it changed much over the last decade? ;) |
| 23:41.39 | godmachine81 | amphi well thats still not going to fix the dependencies |
| 23:41.53 | godmachine81 | amphi, actually e17 looks a lot better than e16 from the shots i have seen |
| 23:42.18 | godmachine81 | i just want something to experiment with |
| 23:42.24 | godmachine81 | and its done being a hassle |
| 23:42.40 | godmachine81 | these are official |
| 23:42.42 | godmachine81 | lol |
| 23:42.49 | godmachine81 | the 2006 shots |
| 23:42.50 | godmachine81 | haha |
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| 23:43.17 | amphi | much different from the official 2000 shots? ;) |
| 23:43.34 | amphi | godmachine81: seriously, is any development being done at all? |
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| 23:43.46 | dmesg | !linuxlogo |
| 23:43.47 | dpkg | linuxlogo is probably a neato ascii color graphic that displays with the login: prompt |
| 23:43.56 | ktwilight | there is amphi |
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| 23:44.05 | ktwilight | from the last i saw, like couple o weeks ago |
| 23:44.37 | elliptic | benjamindees: I forgot to say thanks. In fact I was helping a guy with this problem but the file was completely corrupted (a file in /var/ib/dpkg/info) so bad news |
| 23:45.03 | godmachine81 | yea its being worked on |
| 23:46.01 | cyzie | hello , anybody knows how do i start pon during boot up? please advice. thanks |
| 23:46.09 | benjamindees | elliptic, sounds bad |
| 23:46.11 | amphi | ktwilight: godmachine81: cool - progress has seemed almost slow at times |
| 23:46.35 | godmachine81 | yea i know |
| 23:46.57 | godmachine81 | i've not previously been much of an enlightenment enthusiast but it has came along way since i first used it back in about 99 |
| 23:47.26 | amphi | godmachine81: what's the problem with it? exponentially expanding dependency probs? |
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| 23:47.35 | ktwilight | true amphi |
| 23:47.42 | ktwilight | but i heard that e17 is only for sid? |
| 23:47.57 | ktwilight | i dunno. :/ i wanted to get it, but...xfce bought me |
| 23:48.14 | abrotman | e17 isn't in debian at all yet |
| 23:48.50 | godmachine81 | amphi well there is a repo to add to sources.list |
| 23:48.56 | godmachine81 | i did that but i get some kind of stat error |
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| 23:49.09 | godmachine81 | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://soulmachine.net debian/unstable Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/soulmachine.net_dists_debian_unstable_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 23:49.09 | godmachine81 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:49.36 | godmachine81 | i think if could get that repo to work with the sarge repo then i'd be in business |
| 23:49.42 | ktwilight | hmm...must have read wrongly somewhere then :/ |
| 23:50.00 | godmachine81 | i have had this problem before with repos and it was something to do with the gpg key signature, but i cant remember how to fix it |
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| 23:50.34 | godmachine81 | but if i just do dpkg -i enlightenment* from the directory that i download the deb packages from i get dependency problems |
| 23:50.44 | ktwilight | the error should give you a gpg key |
| 23:50.47 | godmachine81 | but if i can get the apt source to work im sure it will resolve the dependencies |
| 23:50.55 | amphi | godmachine81: http://www.soulmachine.net/debian/unstable/ |
| 23:50.57 | ktwilight | all ya have to do is query the keyserver with that given key |
| 23:51.00 | amphi | godmachine81: looks ok |
| 23:51.12 | godmachine81 | yea the directory is populated |
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| 23:51.19 | godmachine81 | but i cant figure out what that error im getting means |
| 23:51.28 | ktwilight | paste it |
| 23:51.30 | godmachine81 | stat (no such file or directory) |
| 23:51.34 | godmachine81 | i did paste it |
| 23:51.36 | dan2 | abrotman, ding ding ding |
| 23:51.40 | dan2 | asg, how are ya champ |
| 23:51.41 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:51.43 | dan2 | peterS, heyy |
| 23:51.48 | godmachine81 | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://soulmachine.net debian/unstable Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/soulmachine.net_dists_debian_unstable_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 23:51.50 | dan2 | abrotman, what's going on man |
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| 23:51.55 | abrotman | zilch |
| 23:52.02 | peterS | dan2. |
| 23:52.17 | ktwilight | i think your /etc/apt/sources.list is messed up |
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| 23:52.23 | godmachine81 | hang on |
| 23:52.24 | abrotman | peterS % 2 |
| 23:52.34 | dan2 | 0 |
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| 23:52.42 | peterS | I'm even? |
| 23:52.48 | abrotman | should be 1 .. there is one and only one peterS |
| 23:52.53 | godmachine81 | im going to paste these 4 lines |
| 23:52.55 | godmachine81 | nobody get mad |
| 23:52.57 | godmachine81 | maybe its 5 |
| 23:52.58 | ktwilight | no dont!! |
| 23:52.58 | abrotman | do eet! |
| 23:53.01 | godmachine81 | but its my sources.list |
| 23:53.03 | ktwilight | DON'T!!! |
| 23:53.04 | ktwilight | !paste |
| 23:53.05 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 23:53.05 | abrotman | debhelper: prepare the cannon! |
| 23:53.06 | astronut | !paste |
| 23:53.10 | godmachine81 | gosh |
| 23:53.14 | godmachine81 | what a big deal |
| 23:53.15 | ktwilight | phew |
| 23:53.18 | ktwilight | the big deal is |
| 23:53.22 | abrotman | godmachine81: go ahead .. do it .. you'll just get kicked |
| 23:53.23 | godmachine81 | ok nevermind that |
| 23:53.24 | Vasistha | godmachine81: you might get kicked out of the channel |
| 23:53.24 | ktwilight | ya get the boot :P |
| 23:53.29 | Award | If I've previously used "debianized" custom kernels and custom nvidia drivers, is there any harm in using nVidia's own installer? (especially if I'm using a quasi stable/unstable system? |
| 23:53.36 | godmachine81 | no im not pasting |
| 23:53.38 | Vasistha | !nvidia |
| 23:53.38 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 23:53.41 | ktwilight | just paste the one line deb http://blablabla |
| 23:53.42 | godmachine81 | but my sources.list looks normal |
| 23:53.48 | Award | I can't upgrade to nvidia drivers that support 7800 chips because stable won't allow me to |
| 23:53.48 | ktwilight | of that site |
| 23:53.53 | Award | But I can use nvidia's installer... |
| 23:54.04 | Vasistha | Award: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:54.09 | godmachine81 | the only line that has changed in it is deb http://soulmachine.net debian unstable |
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| 23:54.28 | Award | Vasistha: oh my, I always get frightened when the answer is one of THOSE...it usually means there's something kludgy about it :) |
| 23:54.30 | ktwilight | maybe it should be this deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable |
| 23:54.55 | Vasistha | Award: heh, I have no experience myself, but I would assume so! |
| 23:55.28 | Award | Vasistha: Icky...it's kludges like that nvidia setup that is beginning to make me question my debianism :) |
| 23:56.05 | Award | Vasistha: Other distros...no problem..just run the nvidia installer to upgrade your drivers...debian...nope, you must do it our way, resistance is futile :) |
| 23:56.20 | Award | Which wouldn't be so bad if stable weren't so archaic to begin with :) |
| 23:56.59 | abrotman | wouldn't be so bad if nvidia wouldn't have binary only drivers |
| 23:57.05 | abrotman | !prize me |
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| 23:57.22 | Award | abrotman: Well, yeah. |
| 23:57.31 | Vasistha | Award: dunno what to tell ya. I'm only echoing the advice of others, as I have no experience with nvidia cards |
| 23:57.55 | Award | abrotman: It also wouldn't be so bad if Debian would update it's stable every now and again (come on those drivers are almost 2 years old! :) |
| 23:58.06 | Award | abrotman: 2 year old gimp...fine....but video drivers?? :) |
| 23:58.07 | abrotman | Award: /msg dpkg wwer :) |
| 23:58.31 | Award | :) |
| 23:58.33 | beardy | Award: What are you doing to help? |
| 23:58.35 | amphi | Award: you could install the xorg backport |
| 23:59.04 | abrotman | amphi: that won't fix the issue |
| 23:59.13 | abrotman | amphi: that gets him newer X .. not newer nvidia drivers |
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| 23:59.32 | Award | beardy: Not nearly as much as I used to due to 1) real life and 2) I keep getting tempted to slide over to Ubuntu...some of what I love about debian, plus another layer of sanity :) |
| 23:59.35 | abrotman | However!! .. there is a backport of the nvidia drivers |
| 23:59.41 | abrotman | http://backports.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/ |
| 23:59.45 | amphi | abrotman: ;) |
| 23:59.50 | Vasistha | Award: well, debian stable is not tailored for new desktop systems. It is designed to be stable and secure on servers, which care not about video drivers of any kind |