| 00:00.07 | concept10 | beardy, yeah, the light is continuously blinking, like it is stuck, disc in or not |
| 00:00.08 | concept10 | open or closed |
| 00:00.38 | abrotman | toasted |
| 00:00.49 | beardy | concept10: Anyway, it's a hardware thing, and can, as far as I know, not be analysed or fixed with some program. Perhaps someone in #hardware knows some trick, cleaning technicue or simillar, but probably you have to just replace it. |
| 00:00.59 | concept10 | Ive tried to reset it, I have moved the laser thing, it just travels back to default |
| 00:01.14 | itguru | HEY EVERYONE! Sorry for shouting! |
| 00:01.37 | itguru | I just kicked some ass with a brand new debian install |
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| 00:01.41 | itguru | man, i love debian! |
| 00:01.43 | concept10 | beardy, I was thinking I could unmount it or something. But, like you, im sure its a hw problem |
| 00:01.49 | beardy | concept10: ANd a cdrom is so cheap, so there's not much point in repairing it, unless you really like doing that. |
| 00:02.18 | Edwin_Quijada | somebody can recomend me a wireless card for my debian? |
| 00:02.29 | itguru | 20 minutes, had a NAS system up and running, and saved my clients ass. ?400 for me :) |
| 00:02.30 | concept10 | anything broadcom |
| 00:02.34 | beardy | concept10: After a reboot, it should be fine, if it's not, it's like we thought. |
| 00:02.41 | itguru | I thin k I'll have to donate some back to the debian project |
| 00:02.45 | JoshTriplett | Edwin_Quijada: Desktop or laptop? |
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| 00:02.47 | amphi | Edwin_Quijada: ralink-based ones are cheap and have a gpl driver |
| 00:02.51 | typewriter | http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/phpbb2 |
| 00:02.52 | Edwin_Quijada | dektop |
| 00:02.54 | typewriter | security? |
| 00:03.02 | typewriter | means there is an known vulnerability in that release? |
| 00:03.21 | Edwin_Quijada | amphi: u have a brand ? |
| 00:03.33 | JoshTriplett | Edwin_Quijada: I can give you a newegg link. |
| 00:03.34 | mixa | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.35 | Edwin_Quijada | Desktop wireless |
| 00:03.40 | mixa | is it true? |
| 00:03.40 | amphi | Edwin_Quijada: ralink ;) although others use the chipset, I believe |
| 00:03.51 | concept10 | this sucks, I need to burn a cd for windows drivers of all things |
| 00:03.56 | Edwin_Quijada | JoshTriplett: I so appreciate |
| 00:04.06 | beardy | concept10: No USB stick around? |
| 00:04.34 | concept10 | no... I wish |
| 00:04.35 | JoshTriplett | Edwin_Quijada: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833130118 |
| 00:04.39 | JoshTriplett | Edwin_Quijada: $20 |
| 00:04.43 | JoshTriplett | Edwin_Quijada: Works perfectly. |
| 00:04.46 | beardy | concept10: Or floppy, if you have a drive, floppies and patience, depending on how much data. |
| 00:05.05 | amphi | Edwin_Quijada: you can read something about it at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11ag.html#Ralink2500 |
| 00:05.18 | JoshTriplett | Edwin_Quijada: apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a a-i rt2500 |
| 00:05.49 | Edwin_Quijada | I installed sarge and now I want to use KDe 3.5.3 but it is not in repository |
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| 00:06.05 | beardy | Edwin_Quijada: /msg dpkg backports |
| 00:06.15 | beardy | Edwin_Quijada: Or, why do you really need it? |
| 00:07.08 | mixa | i want to |
| 00:07.14 | Edwin_Quijada | beardy: just for fun! I have a few people that I hope change for win to debian |
| 00:07.18 | mixa | help me |
| 00:07.23 | mixa | i want to comprase |
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| 00:07.35 | mixa | but |
| 00:07.38 | mixa | i cant ... |
| 00:07.39 | DerJamster | mixa: you got the man pages, you got example commands. What more do you want? |
| 00:07.40 | Edwin_Quijada | mixa will be compiz |
| 00:07.55 | beardy | Edwin_Quijada: If they are happy with a GUI released in ~2001, they can be happy with sarge's KDE which was released not to long ago. |
| 00:08.21 | Edwin_Quijada | beardy: Iwanna install a 3d desktop like compiz |
| 00:08.27 | Edwin_Quijada | using xgl |
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| 00:08.38 | beardy | Edwin_Quijada: What has that to do with KDE? |
| 00:08.49 | Edwin_Quijada | this is for me |
| 00:09.05 | beardy | Edwin_Quijada: Ask dpkg what I said. |
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| 00:10.16 | abrotman | debian has no compiz or xgl |
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| 00:10.44 | Edwin_Quijada | abrotman: I saw a few presentation compiz |
| 00:11.12 | abrotman | debian has no compiz or xgl |
| 00:11.15 | beardy | Edwin_Quijada: abrotman meant that it's not packaged in Debian, you have to install it yourself, and possibly get some troubles |
| 00:11.23 | abrotman | some? |
| 00:11.32 | Edwin_Quijada | OK |
| 00:11.38 | Edwin_Quijada | I know |
| 00:11.38 | beardy | I haven't done it, how should I know. |
| 00:12.09 | sparr | I am trying to play a cpu/gpu-intense game and would like to find out why the video and audio are skipping. It ran fine yesterday, and I have installed no new software, but I may have different software running. top shows nothing above 1% cpu (kvirc and kate both slightly below), how can i see what is causing an approx 1/10s freeze every 1/2s? |
| 00:12.45 | Edwin_Quijada | beardy: I need to change from sarge to etch , How do I do? |
| 00:12.48 | beardy | sparr: RUnning a soundserver / sounddaemon, like artsd or esd? |
| 00:13.08 | sparr | beardy: no |
| 00:13.18 | beardy | Edwin_Quijada: Preferebly you don't. Be aware of the differences. |
| 00:13.28 | beardy | Edwin_Quijada: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 00:13.56 | Edwin_Quijada | beardy: What does mean /msg dpkg sarge->etch? |
| 00:14.03 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 00:14.03 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
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| 00:14.08 | beardy | hmm |
| 00:14.20 | beardy | !tell Edwin_Quijada -about msgdpkg |
| 00:14.31 | abrotman | !tell Edwin_Quijada about sarge->etch |
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| 00:14.43 | beardy | Edwin_Quijada: Read what dpkg told you now, in a private message. |
| 00:14.48 | Edwin_Quijada | Really I dont know |
| 00:14.58 | Edwin_Quijada | I am not so good using IRC |
| 00:15.13 | beardy | Edwin_Quijada: It's ok, now you have learned. |
| 00:15.31 | abrotman | doubtful :) |
| 00:15.53 | Edwin_Quijada | beardy: Thks!! |
| 00:16.01 | Edwin_Quijada | I learned :) |
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| 00:16.10 | beardy | Edwin_Quijada: WHen someone says /msg dpkg something, you type /msg dpkg something, in your irc-client, that means, you ask the bot about something in a private message. |
| 00:16.15 | beardy | Edwin_Quijada: Great. :) |
| 00:16.26 | Kaiten4 | Hey! |
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| 00:16.37 | Edwin_Quijada | beardy: Oki |
| 00:16.39 | Kaiten4 | What's that program that configures modules and whatnot? |
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| 00:17.18 | beardy | Kaiten4: You have to be a bit more specific, what do you want to do? Load modules? |
| 00:17.19 | ApEtc | Kaiten4: modconf? |
| 00:17.37 | sparr | beardy: any other ideas? my machine is mostly useless for gaming when its doing this |
| 00:17.41 | Kaiten4 | well, idk it said prepare and build and install with certain modules i.e. fglrx |
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| 00:17.52 | beardy | sparr: What game? |
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| 00:18.29 | Kaiten4 | I don't think it was modconf, I think I'd remember if I see the word, it has just escaped me for a bit... |
| 00:18.42 | beardy | Kaiten4: modprobe? |
| 00:18.53 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 00:18.54 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 00:18.58 | DerJamster | depmod, module-assistant |
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| 00:19.11 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: !! thanks |
| 00:19.17 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 00:19.26 | beardy | !prize abrotman |
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| 00:20.54 | beardy | sparr: which game? |
| 00:21.13 | sparr | sauerbraten... and glxgears :) |
| 00:22.16 | beardy | sparr: hmm, what is saurbraten? Do you have a video card which handles 3d/opengl? Do you have the correct drivers, with 3d support for your card, installed, and running? |
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| 00:23.03 | sparr | yes, yes, yes. |
| 00:23.16 | sparr | ignore sauerbraten, glxgears is a much more friendly experimental subject :) |
| 00:23.22 | sparr | some days games run fine |
| 00:23.25 | sparr | other days they stutter |
| 00:23.37 | beardy | sparr: How much RAM? |
| 00:24.01 | beardy | sparr: Using the machine for anything else? |
| 00:24.12 | abrotman | glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 00:25.12 | abrotman | or not |
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| 00:33.11 | sparr | beardy: 1GB ram. not much, normal desktop stuff. ive got irc and a text editor open |
| 00:33.26 | sparr | abrotman: yes, ive got direct rendering |
| 00:33.37 | abrotman | sparr: just making sure |
| 00:33.51 | sparr | abrotman: sorry for being so short on that one... ive answered that the last 30 times ive asked this question, eventually ill get smart and just mention it upfront |
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| 00:35.52 | linux2 | how do i install cups |
| 00:36.08 | abrotman | sng: at least he's not a circle! |
| 00:36.14 | abrotman | linux2: apt-cache search cups |
| 00:36.26 | USmarine | linux2, apt-get install cupsys |
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| 00:36.45 | linux2 | also does anyone know why my progress bars just show up gray? |
| 00:36.49 | beardy | sparr: I find 1GB quite a lot.. Well I meant some server/daemon, that was being heavily used, that is nothing. I don't know why it stutters, especially if it's only ceirtain days. |
| 00:36.55 | linux2 | they were working fine |
| 00:37.09 | linux2 | but they got all messed up somehow. i just changed the theme and now no theme appears to work |
| 00:37.18 | abrotman | sparr: could be disk IO |
| 00:37.48 | beardy | that it could be |
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| 00:39.32 | vol | hi guys, anyone able to get a jingle compatible jabber client working on a 64bit system? |
| 00:39.53 | yassine | http://www.elmour.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/illusions/illu003.html 12 or 13 ? |
| 00:40.49 | rockstar_ | I know I always ask this, but anyone here planning on going to Defcon 14? |
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| 00:42.03 | expertninja | hey guys, i have a problem with apt-setup and I was wondering if you all could help |
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| 00:42.48 | abrotman | just ask |
| 00:42.57 | abrotman | not so much of an expert though are you? :) |
| 00:43.03 | expertninja | naw |
| 00:43.13 | expertninja | day two of my new debian install |
| 00:43.38 | Vasistha | hrm, how do I tell apt not to empty the local cache of archives? can't seem to find the setting in /etc |
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| 00:44.10 | USmarine | apt.conf |
| 00:44.25 | abrotman | Vasistha: uhm .. it shouldn't do it by default |
| 00:45.05 | Vasistha | abrotman: hmmm... well, it did it once :-( but that was during base install |
| 00:45.26 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:45.50 | expertninja | i run apt-setup and try ftp or http but i keep getting this message "E: could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 resource temporarily unavailable) E: unable to lock the list directory |
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| 00:46.50 | USmarine | expertninja, kill procs that are using apt before |
| 00:46.51 | tonsofpcs | how can I set a Diamond FireGL 3000 for dualview/dualhead/multiview/... in X? |
| 00:47.40 | expertninja | USmarine: how do I do that? |
| 00:48.11 | USmarine | ps aux |
| 00:48.15 | USmarine | seek them |
| 00:48.21 | USmarine | and then kill -9 PID |
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| 00:50.41 | expertninja | USmarine: In stupid people speak please, it's day two of linux for me |
| 00:50.50 | expertninja | i see a bunch of processes |
| 00:50.59 | Mellar | I've got this problem with amarok 1.4.0a-1 on Debian Etch. I start it up, and it only has the xine engine. When I try to change the volume in amarok while playing a song, amarok crashes without any error messages. any ideas if this is an error, or if I can solve this myself? |
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| 00:51.10 | USmarine | do you see any which has apt-something |
| 00:52.21 | USmarine | in sum, you cant have 2 apps locking apt |
| 00:52.35 | expertninja | the only thing i can see that is apt related is aptitude |
| 00:52.47 | USmarine | might be |
| 00:53.00 | USmarine | are you using it? |
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| 00:53.40 | jbrimble | What sources can i add to my apt-get? |
| 00:54.00 | USmarine | jbrimble, any |
| 00:54.06 | expertninja | i am not currenty using aptitude |
| 00:54.14 | USmarine | kill it then |
| 00:54.19 | USmarine | jbrimble, apt-get.org |
| 00:54.44 | Mellar | where can I read or give a message about a bug to the Debian team? |
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| 00:55.17 | jbrimble | thx |
| 00:55.29 | expertninja | USmarine, you are the man |
| 00:55.33 | expertninja | it's working |
| 00:55.37 | expertninja | thanks a ton |
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| 01:00.32 | abrotman | jbrimble: for what? |
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| 01:05.31 | Vasistha | Mellar: bugs.debian.org |
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| 01:07.20 | ashfls | help. after upgrading to w window 7.0, cannot login to kdm as non-root. has the err msg : Fatal server error: |
| 01:07.22 | ashfls | Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
| 01:07.32 | ashfls | sorry x-window |
| 01:07.43 | USmarine | as root do |
| 01:08.00 | USmarine | hmm /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 01:08.10 | ashfls | USmarine: login as root is no problem. |
| 01:08.27 | ashfls | got it, thks. |
| 01:08.28 | USmarine | startx |
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| 01:09.23 | ashfls | USmarine: now, kdm restart followed by startx? |
| 01:09.31 | USmarine | no |
| 01:09.35 | USmarine | just kdm restart |
| 01:09.41 | magyar | is there a opensource exchange emulator? |
| 01:09.47 | ashfls | ok, |
| 01:10.21 | USmarine | magyar, ms exchange ? |
| 01:10.29 | magyar | USmarine: roger |
| 01:10.33 | USmarine | korganizer |
| 01:10.49 | magyar | USmarine: exchange server |
| 01:11.48 | USmarine | oh, dunno that program |
| 01:11.52 | USmarine | so cant tell |
| 01:12.25 | MatBoy | What is the best, grub or Lilo ? I run SW-raid, so booting from MD is nice with Lilo, I thought grub could do it also |
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| 01:13.07 | USmarine | i like grub |
| 01:13.23 | Arafangion | If grub works with teh setup, nothing beats grub, otherwise, lilo has to be used. |
| 01:13.32 | MatBoy | USmarine, I like it also ! But can I sue a picture while booting with it ?? :) |
| 01:13.55 | USmarine | bootsplash? |
| 01:14.11 | MatBoy | USmarine, I think it will |
| 01:14.26 | USmarine | ofc it will |
| 01:15.16 | MatBoy | Arafangion, When booting from sda in SWraid and one drive failes, the other one will become automaticly sda wasn't it ? I have seen that on CentOS with grub |
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| 01:16.33 | ashfls | USmarine: it doesn't work. |
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| 01:16.51 | USmarine | what error? |
| 01:17.08 | ashfls | same as before, in a login loop. |
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| 01:17.27 | abrotman | why are you trying to login as root to X ? |
| 01:17.34 | USmarine | maybe frequency is too high |
| 01:17.38 | Arafangion | MatBoy: I have yet to use raid, but I would assume that software raid requires that the tools to be booted first. |
| 01:17.56 | Arafangion | MatBoy: ie, you boot from a reliable device. |
| 01:18.03 | MatBoy | Arafangion, with Lilo not |
| 01:18.13 | abrotman | maybe ashfls should paste his log from /var/log/Xorg.0.log .. or look for a ~/.xsession-errors |
| 01:18.25 | ashfls | abrotman: i am not able to login as non-root, that is my problem. |
| 01:18.31 | MatBoy | Arafangion, but I tested it and with one drive the drive will always seen as sda |
| 01:18.40 | abrotman | ashfls: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 01:18.41 | MatBoy | in my opinion |
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| 01:19.09 | ashfls | abrotman: ok, i'll try that. |
| 01:19.50 | MatBoy | USmarine, do I need a bootsplash-kernel-module ? |
| 01:19.57 | USmarine | y |
| 01:20.04 | USmarine | bootsplash support |
| 01:20.23 | MatBoy | USmarine, but will it be there the whole time like in XP ? or only ath the bootloader ? |
| 01:20.30 | USmarine | i think it's framebuffer or ramdisk related |
| 01:20.44 | USmarine | bootloader is a different picture |
| 01:20.59 | USmarine | bootplash is a constant 1 |
| 01:21.19 | MatBoy | USmarine, OK, nice to know ! |
| 01:22.11 | USmarine | MatBoy, bootsplash: http://www.linuxfans.org/nuke/modules/Forums/files/bootsplash.jpg |
| 01:22.15 | abrotman | !splashy |
| 01:22.16 | dpkg | from memory, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 01:23.12 | MatBoy | USmarine, that is COOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:24.46 | MatBoy | abrotman, will it be integrated in Debian ? |
| 01:24.57 | abrotman | at some point i'm sure |
| 01:25.13 | MatBoy | but ? |
| 01:25.17 | abrotman | but what? |
| 01:25.25 | abrotman | it's not in etch yet .. |
| 01:25.28 | MatBoy | not at all points ;) |
| 01:25.31 | abrotman | !find splashy sid |
| 01:25.36 | MatBoy | in unstable ? |
| 01:26.03 | stew | experimental |
| 01:26.16 | MatBoy | sid |
| 01:26.17 | stew | no |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | i wasn't sure if it had made its way into sid |
| 01:26.48 | MatBoy | ok ! |
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| 01:28.43 | MatBoy | abrotman, so I need the kernel-patch and the splashy package ? |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | no idea .. i don't use it .. |
| 01:29.02 | stew | MatBoy: no, one or the other |
| 01:29.20 | MatBoy | stew, OK ! what do you prefer ? |
| 01:29.24 | stew | neither |
| 01:29.25 | USmarine | apt-get install kernel-patch-bootsplash |
| 01:29.39 | MatBoy | USmarine, yep, saw that, thanks ! |
| 01:30.14 | stew | MatBoy: if it were I, I would certainly try the userspace method first |
| 01:31.40 | MatBoy | ok ! |
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| 01:34.12 | hikikomori | hi |
| 01:34.37 | hikikomori | what happens if i have a sarge kernel and i install testing libraries and software? |
| 01:35.05 | USmarine | try and you'll see |
| 01:35.33 | stew | hikikomori: you mean upgrade everything but the kernel to testing? or mix in some testing libraries and software? |
| 01:35.41 | MatBoy | Your P2 will become a P4 :D |
| 01:35.52 | hikikomori | upgrade everythin but the kernel to testing |
| 01:36.20 | stew | hikikomori: the only thing that wouldn't work is udev |
| 01:36.27 | stew | s/the// |
| 01:36.31 | stew | err |
| 01:36.39 | stew | i don't know that its the only thing. but its one thing |
| 01:36.47 | USmarine | hotplug too |
| 01:36.50 | hikikomori | whats udev? |
| 01:37.36 | stew | USmarine: hotplug in testing requires a newer kernel? |
| 01:37.38 | stew | !udev |
| 01:37.38 | dpkg | from memory, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 01:38.15 | hikikomori | should i upgrade the kernel too? |
| 01:38.17 | stew | hikikomori: do you run gnome? do you have udev installed now? (what does "apt-cache policy udev" say for Installed:) |
| 01:38.21 | hikikomori | how can i upgrade the kernel? |
| 01:38.30 | stew | hikikomori: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
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| 01:39.24 | hikikomori | ? |
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| 01:39.34 | stew | !tell hikikomori about etch upgrade kernel |
| 01:40.04 | ashfls | i am still stuck with the kdm login problem. how to paste my log files to the pastebin? |
| 01:40.12 | MatBoy | stew, is it possible to chnage the colors of the text while booting ? |
| 01:40.12 | stew | ugh, who broke that factoid? |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | i blame ravenbird |
| 01:40.49 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 01:41.20 | stew | !etch upgrade kernel is to upgrade your kernel in etch run "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-$ARCH" but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific cpu, if you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <686> or <386> or <k7> etc. If you are upgrading from a 2.4 kernel, make sure initramfs-tools is used instead of yaird to create the initrd. |
| 01:41.20 | dpkg | i already had it that way, stew |
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| 01:41.32 | abrotman | heheh |
| 01:41.37 | stew | i blame don's latest svn repository |
| 01:41.37 | abrotman | !literal etch upgrade kernel |
| 01:41.37 | dpkg | "etch upgrade kernel" is "to upgrade your kernel in etch run "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-$ARCH" but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific cpu, if you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <686> or <386> or <k7> etc. If you are upgrading from a 2.4 kernel, make sure initramfs-tools is used instead of yaird to create the initrd." |
| 01:41.44 | ashfls | can someone tell me how to use the pastein? |
| 01:41.55 | abrotman | you . put stuff in it |
| 01:42.04 | ashfls | how? |
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| 01:42.49 | liable | ashfls: from console? |
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| 01:43.40 | ashfls | how else? |
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| 01:45.29 | ashfls | abrotman: ? |
| 01:45.37 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 01:45.37 | dpkg | it has been said that pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console like drag to select and middle click to insert the selection ; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 01:46.30 | ashfls | abrotman: i thought there is a url which i can upload to? |
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| 01:46.45 | abrotman | pastebin.ca ? |
| 01:46.48 | abrotman | #flood ? |
| 01:47.09 | ashfls | right#floo |
| 01:47.27 | ashfls | right, #flood should do. |
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| 01:48.25 | ultraviolet16 | hey everyone, in a debian source what file has the information for dependencies? |
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| 01:49.11 | dasunt | "/usr/bin/ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from |
| 01:49.11 | dasunt | format elf64-sparc (localtime.o) to format elf32-sparc (SUBSYS.o) is not |
| 01:49.13 | dasunt | supported" |
| 01:49.19 | dasunt | Oooh, sorry, didn't know about the newlines. |
| 01:49.50 | dasunt | Anyways, trying to build postgres from upstream source on a sparc64 running debian sarge. |
| 01:50.06 | ultraviolet16 | i have a source with a debian directory, so I figured in there.. |
| 01:50.34 | dasunt | The 'ld' command is "/usr/bin/ld -r -o SUBSYS.o localtime.o strftime.o pgtz.o", those last three object files are all 64 bit. |
| 01:50.43 | dasunt | So why is ld trying to make an elf32-sparc file? |
| 01:50.50 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: the Packages file |
| 01:51.55 | ultraviolet16 | darn i can't find it |
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| 01:52.16 | ultraviolet16 | thanks anyways abrotman |
| 01:52.33 | ashfls | abrotman: i have kdm.log in flood, first part was with xwindow 6.9 (no err) and second part with 7.0. pls take a look. |
| 01:52.39 | dendrite | abrotman: I *think* ultraviolet16 means what file in the sources of a package lists it's particular dependencies... |
| 01:52.43 | abrotman | ashfls: no you don't .. i'm in #flood |
| 01:52.56 | abrotman | dendrite: the Packages file? |
| 01:53.25 | abrotman | that worked well |
| 01:53.43 | ultraviolet16 | dendrite: yeah that's what i meant |
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| 01:53.55 | dendrite | abrotman: Well, the hello package source has no Packages file, yet it depends on libc6... |
| 01:54.03 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:54.08 | abrotman | oh! |
| 01:54.12 | abrotman | the rules file .. i think |
| 01:54.38 | ultraviolet16 | ah rules file.. ok let me look |
| 01:55.30 | abrotman | !mg |
| 01:55.36 | abrotman | ACK! |
| 01:55.39 | abrotman | i didn't mean it! |
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| 01:56.32 | ashfls | abrotman: it should be in there now. sorry about that. |
| 01:56.42 | ashfls | abrotman: can you take a look at my kdm.log in #flood? |
| 01:56.52 | abrotman | i see it |
| 01:56.52 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: heh. no worries, I caused that one |
| 01:56.53 | abrotman | (EE) GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such device) |
| 01:57.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: oh good .. i thought you were going to send me to #ubuntu |
| 01:57.40 | ashfls | abrotman: that is not critical. it is not a problem. |
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| 01:58.22 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 01:58.27 | stoned | horrible day at work today, very long |
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| 01:58.42 | ashfls | there are 2 parts in the log. first one was with xwindow 6.9, no err. second one with xwindow 7.0 ahs fatal error. |
| 01:59.17 | ultraviolet16 | i am trying to dpkg-buildpackage something that depends on mpatrol* but i already have it installed in my system. it doesn't allow me to because it doesn't find it.. |
| 01:59.18 | hikikomori | how can i upgrade mi kernel to testing? |
| 01:59.22 | hikikomori | im using stable now |
| 01:59.22 | ultraviolet16 | any ideas why |
| 01:59.23 | abrotman | you're giving me two different error logs? |
| 01:59.35 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: do you have -dev packages installed? |
| 01:59.43 | ashfls | abrotman: no, one with error, one without. |
| 01:59.57 | abrotman | oh right .. that makes sense |
| 02:00.05 | dreamb | hi abrotman |
| 02:00.09 | dreamb | you re still alive |
| 02:00.13 | dreamb | :) |
| 02:00.17 | ultraviolet16 | the dev doesn't exist.. |
| 02:00.19 | ashfls | is it possible to downgrade to a previous package? |
| 02:00.36 | abrotman | dreamb: uh .. yeah |
| 02:00.53 | ultraviolet16 | mpatrolc2 - A library for debugging memory allocations |
| 02:01.03 | ultraviolet16 | no dev packages |
| 02:01.18 | abrotman | yes there is |
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| 02:01.28 | ultraviolet16 | where can i find it? |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | erm .. there damn well should be |
| 02:02.31 | abrotman | or not |
| 02:02.31 | bkudria | I'd be very graetful if anyone can help me make my nvidia drivers *work*...glxinfo says everything is peachy, and there aren't any errors, but glxgears gives me a dismal 18fps...on my geforce 6600gt. I've filed #367316, and that has all my specs, but it seems to have been forgotten. Can anyone please help? |
| 02:03.33 | dreamb | what was one x windows system called? xfc ? |
| 02:03.35 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: huh? |
| 02:03.48 | abrotman | i would think there would be |
| 02:03.52 | abrotman | xfce ? |
| 02:03.59 | dreamb | yeah danke |
| 02:04.39 | ashfls | abrotman: you found anything fr my kdm.log? |
| 02:04.57 | abrotman | yeah .. /dev/agpgart not found |
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| 02:06.12 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: i have no idea where you're finding the dev for mpatrolc2? |
| 02:06.27 | MatBoy | splashy is cool guys ! |
| 02:06.30 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: i didn't |
| 02:06.33 | ashfls | abrotman: that is not the cause of the problem i am facing. i cannot login. it is in a loop. the login screen re-appears awhile after i login. |
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| 02:06.49 | abrotman | ashfls: change your driver to vesa .. see if it works |
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| 02:07.16 | stew | MatBoy: if its working that must have certainly been easier than doing the kernel-patch method would have been |
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| 02:07.39 | MatBoy | stew, very easy to install ! |
| 02:08.01 | ashfls | abrotman: i don't think it is the display becos i can login as root. |
| 02:08.07 | ultraviolet16 | oh i thought you were talking to me.. when i asked where the -dev would be and you said "where they should be?"! hehe |
| 02:08.16 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 02:08.26 | MatBoy | stew, I'm using Nvdidia-drivers, should I use this but than for nvidia ? #kopt: quiet video=radeonfb:1024x768-32@100 vga=791 |
| 02:08.59 | ashfls | abrotman: i think i better read that stuff first. thks. |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | good thinking |
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| 02:09.18 | rockstar_ | Is there an apt-package out there that is an IDS that watched for ssh password guessing and then disables ssh by IP address? |
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| 02:09.40 | c0rrupt` | hey is anyone here good with gdb? |
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| 02:09.48 | MatBoy | rockstar_, I should use bfd |
| 02:10.01 | ashfls | abrotman: another q. can i go back to 6.9? if so, how? |
| 02:10.02 | c0rrupt` | how can i get my core to dump on program crash |
| 02:10.16 | abrotman | ashfls: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 02:10.34 | stew | MatBoy: if you are using nvidia, radeon shouldn't be there i wouldn't think |
| 02:10.52 | MatBoy | stew, indeed, but FB should not be a problem ? |
| 02:11.29 | MatBoy | or is it radeonfb ? |
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| 02:11.45 | stew | MatBoy: it should probably be nvidiafb |
| 02:11.53 | stew | MatBoy: but i dont' own anything nvidia |
| 02:12.08 | MatBoy | stew, but we are on the same line :D |
| 02:12.10 | MatBoy | great ! |
| 02:12.36 | stew | well i own a nvidia graphics card but it was manufactured in 1993 or so |
| 02:12.51 | bkudria | anyone really good with troubleshooting nvidia driver problems here? |
| 02:13.03 | MatBoy | bkudria, yep :D |
| 02:13.05 | ic3man05 | hi, I'm ssh-ing to my debian server and using $ btdownloadcurses -args filename.torrent & and was wondering how I can bring up the ncurse screen after reconnecting later on? |
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| 02:13.31 | MatBoy | !tell bkudria about nvidia-one-liner |
| 02:13.45 | Tomze | ic3man05: run it in screen |
| 02:13.47 | MatBoy | !tell bkudria about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:14.17 | ic3man05 | Tomze: never used screen, do you have a site howto or doc? |
| 02:14.22 | MatBoy | bkudria, use the non-free for it from sid |
| 02:15.09 | Tomze | ic3man05: screen -xr (and you can log on from more machines at the same time) + detach screen = screen -d |
| 02:15.25 | Tomze | ic3man05: screen -xR |
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| 02:15.42 | ic3man05 | Tomze: should I do this before the ssh logon (client side) or on the server side? |
| 02:16.24 | Tomze | ic3man05: just log in too the server, type screen -xR and hit space... |
| 02:17.58 | Tomze | ic3man05: ctrl + a or ctrl + space = switch between screens (like tabs in the terminal) ctrl+a+c = new screen |
| 02:18.27 | litage | how do you purge a package that's been removed? |
| 02:18.44 | ic3man05 | Tomze: ok I'm launched the ncurse torrent inside screen, how do I detach? |
| 02:18.59 | Tomze | litage: dpkg --purge <package> |
| 02:19.13 | Tomze | ic3man05: screen -d |
| 02:19.39 | litage | Tomze: dpkg says <package> isn't installed |
| 02:19.40 | liable | ic3man05: ^a-d |
| 02:19.46 | litage | Tomze: and thus won't purge it |
| 02:19.50 | ic3man05 | liable: thanks |
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| 02:20.29 | ic3man05 | Tomze: thank you a lot, I'm sure this will come in handy for other stuff |
| 02:20.30 | stormrider_may | Could someone tell me if nvidia-glx works with xorg? |
| 02:20.51 | Tomze | ic3man05: yep.. its great :) have fun |
| 02:21.00 | bkudria | Err, MatBoy left...but i maybe have compiled the nvidia drivers 4 or 5 times already... |
| 02:21.18 | bkudria | it doesn't help...doea snyone else have any other siggestions? |
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| 02:21.24 | bkudria | suggestions* |
| 02:21.29 | stormrider_may | i'm trying to load MOHAA but it tells me this error... ...loading libGL.so: SDL: SDL_GL_LoadLibrary() failed! rc == (-1). |
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| 02:25.17 | dds | I notice that in /usr/sbin/hibernate there is a nice function for setting DISPLAY, XAUTHORITY, and XUSER in a very nice dynamic way. |
| 02:25.27 | ic3man05 | stormrider_may, does anything else opengl work? |
| 02:25.28 | opnsrc | Wow, this operating system is insanely more stable than Windows 98 (or Windows in General) |
| 02:25.46 | opnsrc | I've been using it all day, no problems |
| 02:25.47 | noisy_1 | hey, I jsut recently stopped an mv command using ctrl+c, rebooted the machine, and the folder I was moving is gone. Is there a way to get it back? |
| 02:25.52 | stormrider_may | ic3man05: no, cedega tells me that i don't have opengl direct rendering |
| 02:25.56 | ic3man05 | opnsrc, windows is the definition of unstable |
| 02:25.56 | dds | I'd like to reuse that in a script to be called from acpid so that when I dock my laptop, it can do things like set my keyboard mapping to the keyboard I use at work (japanese model) which uses a different mapping from the one built into my machine. |
| 02:26.00 | opnsrc | not a single freeze or crash that I can remember |
| 02:26.28 | dds | Is there a nice clean way to do that? I'd really like to not have to cut-n-paste but I can't just source the script because then it will run hibernate, which is absolutely not what I want to do. |
| 02:26.40 | opnsrc | How do I make xchat connect in a new tab to another server? |
| 02:26.58 | ic3man05 | stormrider_may: I would try looking at the cedega forums for information or information on installing the nvidia drivers |
| 02:27.07 | opnsrc | oh n/m it does that automatically |
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| 02:27.42 | noisy_1 | opnsrc, linux can be very nice :) |
| 02:28.00 | ic3man05 | opnsrc, I've had linux lock/freeze/wierd stuff but I can usually figure out why it does it (usually my fault). Window, good luck. |
| 02:28.10 | ic3man05 | windows* |
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| 02:28.46 | Tomze | noisy_1: your bash history should show where you moved your files to |
| 02:29.03 | noisy_1 | the move didn't complete... will thay have moved anyway? |
| 02:29.26 | Tomze | sounds ugly |
| 02:29.47 | noisy_1 | I know where the destination is, but the move wasn't finished. The source is gone |
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| 02:30.15 | stormrider_may | ic3man05: i have just found out that glxinfo and glxgears doesn't exist on my system, how can i install them? |
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| 02:31.20 | bkudria | stormrider_may: mesa-utils |
| 02:31.26 | noisy_1 | so, the files aren't hiding ? :( |
| 02:31.29 | stormrider_may | bkudria: thanks |
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| 02:31.41 | ic3man05 | stormrider_may: hold on let me find what package it is |
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| 02:32.42 | ic3man05 | stormrider_may mesa-utils package |
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| 02:33.25 | ic3man05 | stormrider: http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/mesa-utils |
| 02:33.39 | magyar | when i copy and paste into vim i get multiple tab and space entries. How can i avoid that? |
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| 02:34.16 | stew | magyar: :set paste |
| 02:34.27 | stormrider_may | ic3man05: can you believe? i have just installed mesa-utils and things worked |
| 02:34.43 | stormrider_may | ic3man05 bkudria thanks for your help |
| 02:34.44 | stew | magyar: :set nopaste <- will turn "paste" mode back off |
| 02:34.53 | ic3man05 | stormrider_may: cedega I think uses glxgears for testing |
| 02:36.08 | magyar | stew: how can i ever thank you. I basicaly know what i know thanks to your help and a bunch of other fellows in this channel |
| 02:36.24 | stoned | stew's the man |
| 02:36.33 | magyar | no doubt |
| 02:36.42 | magyar | the bomb |
| 02:36.44 | magyar | -_- |
| 02:36.54 | stew | help me by helping the project! http://wiki.debian.org/BSPMarathon |
| 02:37.01 | stew | ^help^thank |
| 02:37.10 | stoned | haha |
| 02:37.12 | magyar | done |
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| 02:37.31 | abrotman | see ... .US sucks so bad .. we don't even get to have a BSP |
| 02:40.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:40.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:40.24 | magyar | BSP??, my scull is too tick |
| 02:40.33 | magyar | thick |
| 02:40.42 | abrotman | skull ? |
| 02:40.44 | Heston | When looking to download a cd iso of stable there seems to be many binary images, why is that? |
| 02:40.46 | magyar | ehehe |
| 02:41.10 | magyar | take the boy out of the farm |
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| 02:41.27 | magyar | but not the farm out of the boy |
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| 02:42.51 | abrotman | Heston: there are 14 CDs |
| 02:42.54 | abrotman | !d-i Heston |
| 02:42.55 | dpkg | Heston, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:42.59 | noisy_1 | is there a way to assign users or groups specific permissions... like being able to write new files without overwriting or deleting anything? |
| 02:43.22 | menko | hi people, it seems opera is seeing many more fonts than any of my other applications. kde, abiword, and ooo (except includes lucida) all have the same font lists. Opera has a list with many more fonts than them though, does anyone know why? |
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| 02:44.16 | Heston | abrotman, alright, thanks |
| 02:44.17 | abrotman | maybe compiled in ? |
| 02:44.41 | menko | Yes maybe they come only with opera... I'll ask about it in the opera channel |
| 02:45.06 | Supaplex | menko: it's possible it's listing every single combination of a font as multiple fonts. |
| 02:45.13 | menko | Mainly some adobe fonts it seems, like Helvetica |
| 02:45.21 | stoned | I don't understand opera. I mean, did people actually sing to each other instead of conversing/talking? |
| 02:45.35 | menko | Supaplex, I doubt, there's def some complete different fonts |
| 02:45.40 | noisy_1 | opera is a web browser |
| 02:45.47 | stoned | really? wow, I had no idea |
| 02:46.27 | noisy_1 | yeah... my gf said she wanted to go to an opera so i let her borrow my laptop for a while |
| 02:46.41 | stoned | thats retarded :/ |
| 02:46.48 | noisy_1 | lol, jk |
| 02:46.50 | rockstar_ | noisy_1, That's hilarious! |
| 02:47.04 | stoned | noisy_1, I know, also pulling yer leg ;) |
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| 02:47.08 | noisy_1 | my hand is my gf... any chance of an answer to my question? ^^ |
| 02:47.20 | stoned | dude, tmi, and inappropriate for #debian |
| 02:47.33 | noisy_1 | :( |
| 02:47.34 | Supaplex | quite :) |
| 02:47.38 | qbit | ha |
| 02:47.39 | noisy_1 | so... no? |
| 02:47.43 | rockstar_ | noisy_1, Alright, not so funny now... kind of gross... |
| 02:47.43 | qbit | what's up man |
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| 02:47.56 | qbit | noisy_1? |
| 02:48.02 | noisy_1 | hey, it's perfectly normal... but stop talking about it, it's getting sick |
| 02:48.32 | USmarine | i need some help here, removing sysv-rc-bootsplash |
| 02:48.37 | stoned | delusional |
| 02:48.40 | noisy_1 | is there a way to assign specific file permissions for a user to be allowed to write new files without deleting/replacing? |
| 02:48.49 | stoned | anyway, I'm going upstairs, later |
| 02:48.54 | noisy_1 | have fun |
| 02:49.25 | abrotman | menko: you mean on irc.opera.com ? |
| 02:49.32 | qbit | noisy_1: you would have to have two sets of perms |
| 02:49.59 | Supaplex | stoned: the closest thing is removing directory reads, which disallows ls etc, and sticky bit, which only allows the owning user to delete a file. |
| 02:50.15 | USmarine | http://pastebin.com/707837 |
| 02:50.24 | USmarine | can some1 have a look and help me? |
| 02:50.27 | noisy_1 | qbit, I thought you could only have rwx |
| 02:50.36 | noisy_1 | is there a more advanced way? |
| 02:50.41 | menko | abrotman: Yup |
| 02:50.58 | Supaplex | !xcf |
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| 02:51.07 | Supaplex | what filesystem is that... |
| 02:51.07 | qbit | noisy_1, you still will have that.. but files you don't want to be writen to would be in group b.. and user would be in group c |
| 02:51.24 | abrotman | !xsf |
| 02:51.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, xsf is the X Strike Force, home of Debian's XFree86 packages, at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ or http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml |
| 02:51.28 | abrotman | !xfs |
| 02:51.28 | dpkg | i heard xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/pub/debian-xfs/ |
| 02:51.29 | abrotman | damn it |
| 02:51.41 | noisy_1 | I dont want the user to delete anything. even if he/she puts it there |
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| 02:52.06 | qbit | that will be a bit tougher.. maybe something like grsecurity |
| 02:52.09 | noisy_1 | I'm using samba via swat, are there options for such permissions in the web interface? |
| 02:52.10 | abrotman | i don't know of any filesystem that does that |
| 02:52.18 | Supaplex | yay abrotman. :) |
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| 02:52.30 | Supaplex | xfs supports acl's don't it? |
| 02:52.38 | abrotman | yeah .. so does ext3 |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | !acl |
| 02:52.40 | dpkg | it has been said that acl is Access Control List or http://acl.bestbits.at/ or http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~agbs/live/acl_eng.html |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | but that won't do waht he's asking |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | i don't think so anyways |
| 02:53.13 | qbit | i don't either.. |
| 02:53.16 | Supaplex | maybe chattr? |
| 02:53.40 | Supaplex | +i heh |
| 02:54.13 | Supaplex | I use to +i /etc/inetd.conf back in the day... |
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| 02:57.10 | liable | USmarine: have you checked the bts for that package? if theres no bugs, you need to have a look at the prerm script |
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| 02:57.46 | USmarine | bts? whats that |
| 02:57.57 | liable | USmarine: bugs.debian.org |
| 02:57.57 | Optic | moo moo |
| 02:58.00 | Arafangion | Bug Tracking System. *yawn* |
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| 02:58.15 | USmarine | ok |
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| 02:59.38 | Supaplex | !bts |
| 02:59.38 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 03:00.41 | menko | hi again, I found an interesting file: /etc/X11/fonts/Type1/gsfonts-x11.alias , in there are references to helvetica (one of the opera exclusive fonts) and several other fonts. Does anyone know how I can get other apps to recognise them? |
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| 03:02.42 | tuv | what is a simple & fast wav player on the console? |
| 03:02.53 | tuv | using alsa |
| 03:02.54 | USmarine | mpg123 |
| 03:03.07 | servus | mywav.wav > /dev/dsp :) |
| 03:03.10 | tuv | can't i just cat to some device file? |
| 03:03.16 | USmarine | well, no ****ing bugs |
| 03:03.16 | tuv | dsp busy |
| 03:03.23 | zinx | tuv: a wav? no. |
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| 03:03.38 | tuv | zinx, what then? |
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| 03:03.43 | shogunx | tuv play from the sox package might work. |
| 03:03.44 | menko | Another update, in the gtk+ based switch program(for switching gtk+ themes), the missing fonts show up! Why don't they show up in gtk2 and qt apps? |
| 03:03.47 | USmarine | how the heck am i going o unistall this |
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| 03:04.31 | menko | They also show up in nedit |
| 03:04.40 | menko | (nedit is motif) |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | hint .. fix the scripts for the package |
| 03:05.21 | USmarine | if only i knew what's wrong.. |
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| 03:06.44 | liable | USmarine: if you dont know where to go from here, file a bug and wait for it to be fixed |
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| 03:07.30 | USmarine | the problem is that this aint from a debian mirror |
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| 03:07.41 | USmarine | i guess i'll have to 28 |
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| 03:07.45 | USmarine | w8 * |
| 03:08.18 | bobby | I'm after an app that will show me what traffic is going over what port (live and total would be handy)...web based or app based is fine...any help? |
| 03:08.51 | servus | iptraf? |
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| 03:09.53 | tuv | hmm.. mpg321 is for mp[23] only |
| 03:10.06 | tuv | it doesn't play wav |
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| 03:10.39 | servus | tuv: What's your sound daemon? I use artsd, and have artscat. |
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| 03:11.21 | bobby | servus, that looks almost perfect for what I wanted, thanks :D |
| 03:11.24 | tuv | servus, there is esdcat, but the output sounds different than it should be.. like it's played with the wrong freq. |
| 03:12.00 | servus | How about alsaplayer-esd - PCM player designed for ALSA (ESD output module) ? |
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| 03:12.36 | tuv | servus, if i specify the freq. in the command it works fine though.. but i'm looking for something more intuitive |
| 03:12.39 | menko | ok more info, I checked dfontmgr, and it seems some of the missing fonts are aliased to other names |
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| 03:13.23 | tuv | servus, great.. now esd is using 88% of my cpu |
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| 03:13.38 | menko | but the aliases look different! |
| 03:13.58 | servus | Have you tried bplay, tuv? |
| 03:14.11 | tuv | no |
| 03:14.57 | tuv | looks like there is no escape from mplayer :) |
| 03:15.07 | tuv | damn esd |
| 03:15.29 | tuv | if i kill it i'll have to log off/log in to get it back running |
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| 03:15.36 | tuv | and it's eating my cpu |
| 03:15.50 | marcels_ | how do i load open office help files (as they say do not exist)? |
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| 03:16.20 | Devass | how to put iptables at boot-time? |
| 03:16.29 | dendrite | marcels_: apt-cache search openoffice | grep help |
| 03:16.38 | Devass | i remember something about dpkg-reconfigure iptables |
| 03:16.40 | tuv | marcels, there is a openoffice.org-help-* package |
| 03:16.45 | dendrite | marcels_: Choose your language, and apt-get install it. |
| 03:17.14 | marcels_ | dendrite: thankyou |
| 03:18.48 | servus | tuv: Can't you just manually run the daemon again? |
| 03:19.07 | tuv | servus, i can.. but it won't handle the events anymore |
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| 03:19.31 | servus | Or try sending it a SIGHUP? killall -s SIGHUP esd maybe? *Shruggles* |
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| 03:22.37 | tuv | now esd won't even start: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:894:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to connect client |
| 03:22.49 | tuv | esd is evil |
| 03:23.02 | tuv | esd is a necessary evil for me :( |
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| 03:23.38 | zinx | you're using esd and dmix? you sick sick bastard |
| 03:24.12 | servus | A necessary evil, like puppies with laser beams strapped to their heads? |
| 03:24.13 | litage | with ``dpkg -l'', how do you tell it to not display that "header" info? |
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| 03:24.40 | k-god | litage: sed -2d |
| 03:24.46 | Aap | hi, can somebody tell me why the "include" is necessary? http://pastebin.com/707885 |
| 03:24.57 | tuv | zinx, what's so sick in that? |
| 03:24.57 | k-god | litage: s/2/5/ |
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| 03:25.35 | tuv | zinx, i just installed libesd-alsa0 |
| 03:25.52 | litage | k-god: i remember there being an option to give to dpkg that tells it not to display that stuff. am i mistaken? |
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| 03:26.25 | tuv | zinx, did you forget why i am sick^2? |
| 03:26.34 | Supaplex | or tail -n+5 :) |
| 03:27.00 | beef | Anyone know if there's a Debian C library available that allows me to print a stack trace from within my program? Or any Linux library, for that matter? |
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| 03:31.53 | servus | beef: gdb. |
| 03:32.19 | servus | It's an application, though, not a library :) |
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| 03:35.31 | k-god | litage: RTFM. |
| 03:35.41 | k-god | litage: ... it's easy enough to filter through sed. |
| 03:36.11 | k-god | beef: gdb. Build w/ symbols (don't strip). |
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| 03:36.34 | ultravio1et16 | i was wondering if there were any good docs or books on the debian packaging system? |
| 03:37.04 | k-god | ultravio1et16: Martin Krafft's book, in part. Debian Package Maintainer's Guide specifically. |
| 03:37.33 | k-god | ultravio1et16: http://www.debian.org/doc |
| 03:37.57 | k-god | ultravio1et16: Developers' manuals |
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| 03:40.08 | bobby | google earth for linux :D (native) |
| 03:40.29 | k-god | bobby: Yeah. There goes my productivity. |
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| 03:41.20 | bobby | lol :P |
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| 03:41.54 | ultravio1et16 | google earth for linux? yesss |
| 03:41.57 | beef | k-god: I don't want to debug (print a stack trace) from the outside of my program. I want to do it from the inside. I don't want to have to break in order to print my trace. I just want to do it periodically during execution. |
| 03:41.58 | bobby | it's dl speed is slow :| |
| 03:42.07 | bobby | # Google Earth for Linux... (posted 2006-06-12 18:59:25 by icculus): |
| 03:42.07 | bobby | Google Earth for GNU/Linux has shipped today. It is a completely native port, using Qt and OpenGL. It does not use Wine or Winelib. |
| 03:42.22 | bobby | http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html (not gpl) |
| 03:42.25 | k-god | bobby: d/l running it or just fetching the app? |
| 03:42.33 | ultravio1et16 | too bad i can't run opengl.. =/ |
| 03:42.33 | k-god | bobby: Yeah, it's proprietary. |
| 03:42.43 | dabreegster | ultravio1et16: DRI issues too? |
| 03:43.10 | bobby | dling the app, it's around 20kb/s from the server |
| 03:43.14 | bobby | and I'm on the work 2mbit pipe |
| 03:43.48 | Devass | i've installed debian sarge right now, but i couldn't find /etc/init.d/iptables, what did i miss? |
| 03:43.58 | snooplsm | i'm downloading a debian dvd w/ bittorrent its 99% done and not downloading any more w/ plenty of seeds. This is BS |
| 03:44.09 | bobby | snooplsm, owch |
| 03:44.16 | bobby | failing on the last hash? |
| 03:44.17 | beef | I can't believe that before me, nobody has wanted to print a stack-trace from within a linux app. |
| 03:44.17 | snooplsm | 99.8% done |
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| 03:44.37 | snooplsm | beef, i do it in java :-) |
| 03:44.39 | bobby | azurues has an option to deal with that problem |
| 03:44.46 | snooplsm | oh yea |
| 03:44.47 | snooplsm | whats that |
| 03:45.10 | snooplsm | close and re open? |
| 03:45.32 | bobby | lol |
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| 03:46.10 | k-god | beef: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/pstack.1.html |
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| 03:46.59 | tuv | zinx, so.. where were we? |
| 03:47.27 | beef | k-god: you're a beautiful non-corporeal entity. |
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| 03:47.38 | maikol | if i wanted to compile a driver for another computer on debian sarge, which cd source images would i need to download |
| 03:47.40 | k-god | beef: Worship me. |
| 03:47.41 | tuv | zinx, yes.. what is wrong with using esd with dmix? |
| 03:47.54 | k-god | beef: And you're a sacred cow.... |
| 03:48.09 | bobby | lol |
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| 03:49.02 | tuv | how can i tell from within aptitude whether a package is from testing or unstable (i have both in my sources.list)? |
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| 03:52.34 | tuv | can't aptitude show a package is from testing or unstable? |
| 03:52.49 | kreg_work | anyone know how to tell minicom how to use one of those serial to usb adapter thingies? |
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| 03:53.02 | kreg_work | my new laptop doens't have a db9 serial port |
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| 03:59.36 | killown | my hd this bad block setor what I do? |
| 03:59.58 | poli | killown: man badblocks |
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| 04:02.48 | bobby | hey nice, google earth includes software emulation for opengl if the graphics driver doesn't support it :P |
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| 04:06.05 | TraceGreen | Hello, my LAN is too slow today, doea any tools can help me to check my network? i want to see whether my LAN has worm. |
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| 04:07.37 | awa64 | Hokay. Problem. I'm trying to install KnoppMyth (a Devian-based liveCD), and it's giving me no end of trouble. |
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| 04:08.07 | awa64 | At first, it would install, but just wouldn't boot. At all. No bootloader, no screens, no nothing--just sat there after the POST and BIOS did their things. |
| 04:08.22 | awa64 | Tried reinstalling. No dice. |
| 04:08.32 | awa64 | Messed around with boot order in the BIOS. |
| 04:08.51 | awa64 | No dice. Reinstalled Windows. Worked perfectly. So it's probably not hardware problems. |
| 04:09.01 | awa64 | Tried installing KnoppMyth again. Same problem. |
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| 04:09.26 | I4NI | you making a MythTV box? |
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| 04:09.29 | awa64 | Trying to. |
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| 04:09.44 | noisy_1 | how do I force a rmdir |
| 04:09.48 | I4NI | why not just install sarge and then manually install Myth? |
| 04:10.45 | awa64 | Could work, but I'm a total linux newbie, AND I don't have a ton of blank discs lying around. I'd also like to get this done tonight. |
| 04:10.57 | awa64 | On the other hand, that's looking more and more impractical as the night goes on. |
| 04:11.21 | awa64 | Plus, I tried wiping the MBR on HDA and it's still saying the disc is read-only, I don't have permission, etc. |
| 04:11.24 | I4NI | awa64: the sarge installer is <100MB |
| 04:11.32 | awa64 | Oh, OK. |
| 04:12.12 | I4NI | but the download comes as a .iso image, a pain to burn in windows |
| 04:12.12 | jjazz | awa64: #mythtv-users might be able to help. Or #knoppix. |
| 04:12.24 | awa64 | OK, I'll give those a shot. |
| 04:12.31 | awa64 | ISO "a pain" in Windows? Ha. |
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| 04:12.49 | awa64 | I've never had trouble with it. |
| 04:12.59 | awa64 | (This, on the other hand, is a right pain.) |
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| 04:13.06 | I4NI | well the burning software that came with my dvd-rw drive doesnt support it |
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| 04:13.11 | awa64 | Thanks for the suggestions, though--I'll take 'em all into consideration. |
| 04:13.25 | awa64 | Nero's pretty good. The included software with the Thinkpad i'm typing this on is pretty good. |
| 04:13.40 | awa64 | There's a third-party PowerToy that integrates .iso support into the Windows CD Burner. |
| 04:13.48 | I4NI | Il check it out, dont use windows much... |
| 04:13.58 | I4NI | whats it called? |
| 04:14.21 | awa64 | http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm |
| 04:14.24 | awa64 | ISO Recorder. |
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| 04:14.34 | servus | A very nice freeware Windows CD Writing Software: http://www.cdburnerxp.se/ |
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| 04:14.52 | servus | Oh great now rawr thinks I'm the most off-topic person ever :( |
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| 04:15.25 | awa64 | Eh. Could be worse. Could've made a Monty Python reference. Or started discussing how off-topic a statement was. |
| 04:15.30 | awa64 | eek. |
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| 04:15.40 | servus | Dangling Participle! |
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| 04:16.26 | I4NI | I know this is off topic, but does the windows explorer burner burn dvds? |
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| 04:16.42 | I4NI | <--- Just got a dvd burner on a windows machine for the first time |
| 04:18.34 | noisy_1 | do they have blu-ray burners avail yet? |
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| 04:19.43 | snooplsm | yea |
| 04:19.51 | noisy_1 | how much $? |
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| 04:19.51 | snooplsm | well media i think |
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| 04:20.05 | snooplsm | I think samsung |
| 04:20.09 | evilgeek | the vim in unstable appears to be broken. |
| 04:20.26 | evilgeek | it brightly highlights parentheses for no good reason. |
| 04:21.42 | dabreegster | It might be related to the feature where a block of code is highlighted |
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| 04:24.28 | Devass | how to make iptables to load rules at boot up? please help!! |
| 04:24.55 | Samus_Aran | can someone explain what fontconfig is and how I am supposed to set paths so apps know where my fonts are ? I added some fonts to paths not in the X config file, but some apps can't find them |
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| 04:26.30 | alexbodn | i have a name server which cannot resolve itself. can anybody take a look? |
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| 04:27.23 | evilgeek | perhaps. but why did upgrading my vim package cause this to happen? upgrades should never change the behaviour of the package. |
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| 04:27.37 | snooplsm | maybe a new feture |
| 04:27.39 | evilgeek | (it is therefore a bug, not a feature.) |
| 04:27.42 | dendrite | Devass: Read /etc/rcS.d/README |
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| 04:28.43 | dendrite | evilgeek: You in sarge? |
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| 04:28.51 | Devass | dendrite i have /etc/init.d/iptables, but still didn't load |
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| 04:29.08 | dendrite | Devass: Read /etc/rcS.d/README |
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| 04:29.37 | evilgeek | perhaps i misunderstand what ":set noshowmatch" is supposed to do. |
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| 04:29.52 | alexbodn | hi don |
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| 04:30.12 | Devass | dendrite nothing helpful there |
| 04:30.37 | dendrite | Devass: Oh? What *is* there then? |
| 04:30.41 | Solet-deb | whats a good image viewer where one can move through all the images in a directory with single key key strokes (preferably left and right) |
| 04:30.49 | Devass | dendrite /etc/rcS.d/README |
| 04:31.01 | dendrite | Devass: READ IT. :-) |
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| 04:31.16 | Devass | dendrite i did it already |
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| 04:31.32 | Samus_Aran | figured it out ... /etc/fonts/fonts.conf ... fc-list, fc-cache, fc-list ... |
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| 04:31.46 | dendrite | Devass: Well, what specific part of that is giving you trouble? |
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| 04:34.15 | Devass | dendrite i have the /etc/init.d/iptables script, i'm using sarge, i don't know why it didn't load at boot up =( |
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| 04:34.46 | Devass | dendrite i did "dpkg-reconfigure iptables" to enable the script, but nothing happens =( |
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| 04:34.57 | dendrite | evilgeek: I read up a little more... You're running unstable. Therefore, your statement that "upgrades should never change the behaviour" is incorrect... |
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| 04:36.14 | dendrite | Devass: Dunno. I've never used debconf to manage iptables. Not sure debconf sets it up right, if at all. |
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| 04:36.38 | kreg_work | got an email server (postfix/cyrus), ftp server, radius server...... but garsh, it sure is hard keeping all those user names and passwords sycned up. any suggestions? |
| 04:36.40 | jbrimble | I've just apt-get installed php and mysql... Should mysql be configured automatically to work in php? |
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| 04:37.09 | rutski89 | does anyone know how to use --exclude with tar(1)? |
| 04:37.19 | rutski89 | I really can't get it to work, it's so confusing |
| 04:37.23 | dondelelcaro | rutski89: you just pass it normal glob options... |
| 04:37.28 | dondelelcaro | rutski89: like --exclude '.svn' |
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| 04:37.45 | rutski89 | dondelelcaro: tar: --exclude: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
| 04:37.45 | rutski89 | tar: .svn: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
| 04:37.45 | rutski89 | tar: Error exit delayed from previous error |
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| 04:37.58 | evilgeek | dendrite: please correct me if i'm wrong, but it is considered desirable for packages in unstable to work. |
| 04:38.04 | dondelelcaro | rutski89: uh... you obviously have to use it with some other options... |
| 04:38.27 | rutski89 | dondelelcaro: well yea.. the whole command was "tar cvzf t.tar.gz t/ --exclude '.svn'" |
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| 04:38.46 | rutski89 | dondelelcaro: I'm no that stupid, don't worry ;) |
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| 04:39.07 | dondelelcaro | rutski89: mkdir -p bar/{baz,qux,zif}; tar --exclude baz -zvcf bar.tar.gz bar; FE. |
| 04:39.18 | dondelelcaro | rutski89: exclude has to go before the filelist. |
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| 04:39.40 | dondelelcaro | tar ignores options after the filelist starts when you're using the non '-' method of tar invocation |
| 04:39.57 | rutski89 | ahh, i see |
| 04:39.58 | dendrite | evilgeek: No. |
| 04:40.14 | dendrite | evilgeek: It's considered desirable for packages in unstable to be constantly improving. |
| 04:40.27 | dendrite | evilgeek: If you want stuff to always work, use stable. |
| 04:40.55 | evilgeek | dendrite: then it is not considered desirable for packages in unstable to work? |
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| 04:41.24 | evilgeek | dendrite: should one, then, actively attempt to break packages in unstable? |
| 04:41.27 | rutski89 | debhelper: awesome, it's totally working now, thanks :) |
| 04:41.37 | dendrite | evilgeek: I didn't say that. And obviously things should be heading in that direction. But if something changes, and it breaks stuff, that's normal in unstable. |
| 04:41.46 | EdLin | evilgeek: you seem to have a reading comprehension problem. The name of sid is UNstable, not stable |
| 04:41.56 | dendrite | evilgeek: File a bug report. |
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| 04:42.26 | EdLin | dendrite: reportbug is broken in unstable right now according to #debian-devel's /topic |
| 04:42.38 | dendrite | Doh! |
| 04:42.40 | dondelelcaro | EdLin: it's fixed, actually. |
| 04:42.48 | dendrite | Ah, is that the python syntax issue? |
| 04:42.58 | dendrite | That's fixed in incoming. |
| 04:43.00 | evilgeek | dendrite: you said "no" to "it is considered desirable for packages in unstable to work." the negation of this statement is "it is not considered desirable for packages in unstable to work." by the law of the excluded middle, your "no" is tantamount to "it is not considered desirable for packages in unstable to work." |
| 04:43.12 | EdLin | dondelelcaro: yep, the fix is in incoming |
| 04:43.32 | dendrite | evilgeek: Because packages just working is not the main focus of unstable, as was your implication. |
| 04:43.37 | evilgeek | i am filing a bug report. my point was that "it's in unstable" should not excuse a package from working. |
| 04:43.41 | dendrite | evilgeek: Sounds like you'd be better off with RHEL. |
| 04:43.46 | evilgeek | that was not my implication. |
| 04:43.57 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: have you checked to make sure your bug has not already been filed? |
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| 04:44.15 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: that's what i've been doing =) there are many bugs filed against vim. |
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| 04:44.35 | dondelelcaro | EdLin: are you talking about #370600? that was fixed 7 days ago. |
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| 04:45.01 | EdLin | dondelelcaro: thanks. It's in sid now I take it? |
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| 04:46.15 | joaopaulo | i cant find the xorgconfig program in no one package, some ideia where i can see it ? |
| 04:46.26 | dondelelcaro | EdLin: yeah, it's been in sid for quite some time. |
| 04:46.35 | dondelelcaro | !+find xorgconfig |
| 04:46.36 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:47.01 | dondelelcaro | joaopaulo: if it's not in a package, then we don't provide it... you really shouldn't need it though, because the configuration X is normally done using debconf et al. |
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| 04:47.51 | joaopaulo | dondelelcaro, thats not good, xorgconfig is better than debconf X configurator |
| 04:48.35 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 04:50.15 | joaopaulo | i dont have mutch time to spend on it |
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| 04:52.03 | evilgeek | dendrite: in any case, i said "desirable" rather than "required" for a reason. perhaps you should refresh your english. |
| 04:52.44 | dendrite | evilgeek: And I don't agree that things just working, or not changing is desirable in unstable. |
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| 04:53.52 | dendrite | evilgeek: Put another way, breakage is a necessary part of development. We don't want to stand still, now do we? |
| 04:54.31 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: it's not a big deal; bugs happen, you file them, they get fixed |
| 04:54.48 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: Exactly. |
| 04:54.57 | evilgeek | dendrite: yes, i understand your position. i also used the word "should" for a reason; it is good if an upgrade to a package does not change its default behaviour, is it not? |
| 04:55.12 | dendrite | evilgeek: No. |
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| 04:55.35 | dendrite | evilgeek: And my grasp of English is good enough to see that we're going in circles, so we might as well drop it. |
| 04:56.23 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: unintentionally change behavoir is bad... but sometimes you have to change behavoir to move forward. |
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| 04:58.46 | evilgeek | perhaps we should end this debate. it is clear that we have different philosophies on development. i, for one, was pissed off when gcc removed -fwritable-strings because its removal caused some code (written by other people) to stop working. |
| 04:59.07 | avar | unrelated, but when I create a blog on blogspot is it publically visible to the visitors? |
| 04:59.15 | dendrite | Hmm... Running xorg happily here... Still have xserver-xfree86 installed. No reason to keep that around, is there? |
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| 04:59.24 | avar | stupid question perhaps |
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| 05:01.04 | dendrite | Ah, I see it's just a transitional package. |
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| 05:02.27 | Solet-deb_ | stf... sarge bloody locked up on me.... |
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| 05:15.35 | Devass | is there a ppp script on debian sarge? like ppp-go or similar |
| 05:16.09 | Devass | i've created a connection by pppconfig, now how to start it? pppd connect /etc/chatscripts/provider? |
| 05:16.40 | nosklo | Devass: pon connection |
| 05:16.45 | nosklo | Devass: pon provider |
| 05:16.57 | epsilon | pon and poff |
| 05:17.13 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.16 | epsilon | plog? |
| 05:17.51 | epsilon | ah log display |
| 05:18.16 | sep | often easier to have a tail -f in another console. but heh it's there :) |
| 05:18.22 | Devass | tks!! |
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| 05:18.42 | nosklo | sep: you can use plog -f too |
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| 05:18.51 | Devass | ok.. |
| 05:18.54 | Devass | now i will try |
| 05:18.58 | sep | nosklo, figures :) |
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| 05:20.58 | epsilon | Devass: if you are lazy to type, you can define alias such as "alias on='pon provider'" "alias off='poff -a'" |
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| 05:36.41 | hburchey | Which package contains rcp? I tried using the package contents search web page but it didn't return any results? |
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| 05:37.15 | basti | hi |
| 05:37.16 | basti | is there a random image displayer for gkrellm2? |
| 05:38.09 | jdhutchin1 | hburchey, don't use rcp- use scp |
| 05:38.19 | jdhutchin1 | there are millions of security issues with the r* suite |
| 05:38.40 | hburchey | jdhutchin1, I don't care about security, and I don't have the ability to install software on the remote machine. |
| 05:38.57 | snooplsm | how do I spoof a mac address in linux |
| 05:38.58 | jdhutchin1 | but the answer is rsh-clients |
| 05:39.13 | mzuverink | I have just bought a new box and am considering switching from ubuntu to debian. I would like to start with debian on the old box and testing it there. I however would like to use newer gnome than what is in stable. Can someone point me to a link that describes the process of taking a stable release debian and switching to unstable or testing(not sure the proper title for it)? |
| 05:39.47 | jdhutchin1 | just update the appropriate source lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:39.54 | jdhutchin1 | and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:39.57 | unstable | !arge->etch |
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| 05:40.02 | unstable | !sarge->etch |
| 05:40.16 | unstable | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 05:40.20 | unstable | eh, dpkg is ignoring me. |
| 05:40.43 | unstable | mzuverink: You should first "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" right now |
| 05:40.56 | unstable | As the transition goes much smoother, when you have the latest sarge software. This is the proper way to do it. |
| 05:41.13 | unstable | mzuverink: So first do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" now, then do what dpkg says to do. |
| 05:41.25 | mzuverink | unstable, I have not installed debian to that box yet, I am just researching |
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| 05:41.30 | unstable | !tell mzuverink about sarge->etch |
| 05:41.38 | unstable | mzuverink: o in that case.. |
| 05:41.42 | unstable | Just get the testing disc. |
| 05:41.45 | unstable | !tell mzuverink about d-i |
| 05:42.06 | mzuverink | unstable: do you know what version of gnome is on testing? |
| 05:42.07 | NetBandit | hi again! is there a random image displayer for gkrellm2? |
| 05:42.22 | unstable | mzuverink: I'm not sure, but I bet it's 2.14 |
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| 05:43.27 | unstable | NetBandit: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 05:43.46 | unstable | mzuverink: You would go here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and click on your architecture, burn that disc, then boot off it. |
| 05:43.49 | mzuverink | unstable, thanks for the info, I did not know that there was a testing image. What are the real differences between ubuntu and debian. I hate to ask that question... |
| 05:44.21 | unstable | mzuverink: Well Ubuntu basically is debian unstable, they freeze unstable, squash some bugs, the pretty is up real nice and polish it. |
| 05:44.33 | unstable | Ubuntu is also controlled(by Mark Shuttleworth/Canonical) |
| 05:44.50 | unstable | Which is how it allow him to make decisions and pretty it up in a specific way. |
| 05:45.01 | NetBandit | unstable: like it shows random images from a specified directory, i cant remember if i found one once before, its like a screensaver but it stays inside of gkrellm |
| 05:45.03 | unstable | Debian is community run, and there are 1000+ developers that are all people like us. |
| 05:45.13 | unstable | Debian is more about build your desktop how you want, from the beginning. |
| 05:45.34 | unstable | sure, you can chose desktop, and get gnome. But generally it's about building things yourself. Customizing it a little yourself. |
| 05:45.38 | sep | mzuverink, iow debian is a project, by the community, for the community. ubuntu is a product. |
| 05:45.42 | unstable | Ubuntu is more about getting a pretty package to please everyone. |
| 05:45.54 | unstable | yea, Ubuntu appears to be a product. |
| 05:46.01 | mzuverink | unstable, I have only used ubuntu and mandrake, and have been pretty pleased. Mandrake is slow(rpm) and I am sick of various ubuntu politics stuff, that is why I want to switch to debian |
| 05:46.04 | unstable | They're trying to go into Enterprise linux, like Redhat or Novell do. |
| 05:46.19 | unstable | yea, Ubuntu is very pretty. And fairly easy to use for new people. |
| 05:46.22 | unstable | I recommend Ubuntu to new users. |
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| 05:46.26 | NetBandit | unstable: no clues? |
| 05:46.33 | mzuverink | ubuntu is very pretty |
| 05:46.35 | NetBandit | basicly shows a thumbnail of the image |
| 05:47.00 | unstable | NetBandit: umm, what do the images look like? |
| 05:48.02 | NetBandit | unstable: any image, like say a folder full of family photos |
| 05:48.18 | NetBandit | i cant remember if i had a plugin like that once or not |
| 05:48.25 | unstable | NetBandit: Are they your family photos? |
| 05:48.31 | mzuverink | Now when I install ubuntu on this old box I have to do a server install and then add gnome-desktop due to a non-disablable onboard vid card. Can I do a server install of debian? |
| 05:48.32 | unstable | NetBandit: Or some pictures you've never seen before. |
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| 05:49.11 | unstable | mzuverink: You can do any install you want on debian. I'm not sure what a "server" install is. |
| 05:49.25 | mzuverink | no graphical at all |
| 05:49.35 | unstable | mzuverink: If you download an image from the link dpkg sent you, and you format your machine. That will give you a 250/300 meg base install. |
| 05:49.38 | mzuverink | no xserver or anything |
| 05:49.38 | unstable | mzuverink: That is a net install |
| 05:49.49 | unstable | mzuverink: From there you can download and install whatever you want. |
| 05:49.50 | NetBandit | unstable: thats an example, but i was looking for it so i can have it display my background's folder and i was goign to edit it so on a single click of the current image it would be set as the new wallpaper |
| 05:49.59 | mzuverink | thnx |
| 05:50.06 | unstable | ie, to install apache2, you just type "apt-get install apache2" and you'll have a web server running in a couple minutes(all setup automatically) |
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| 05:50.30 | unstable | mzuverink: literally you format with either sarge or etch, then "apt-get install apache2" and your web server is running and ready to go with a default page. You just change the page. |
| 05:50.37 | unstable | No configuring necessary. |
| 05:50.43 | unstable | (Ubuntu does the same thing) |
| 05:51.20 | unstable | I'm not sure how they do it, but generally anything you can do with Ubuntu you can do with Debian. With some small exceptions like things with guis |
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| 05:51.28 | unstable | Those things will guis will get into debian eventually, but debian doesn't move as fast as Ubuntu. |
| 05:51.40 | unstable | (which a lot of people consider a good thing, they would argue it makes Debian more stable) |
| 05:51.53 | mzuverink | right, I am not actually interested in a server to speak, but ubuntu calls a non-graphical install a server install as opposed to a desktop install |
| 05:52.05 | NetBandit | unstable: thanks anyway for help.. |
| 05:52.06 | unstable | For instance, Ubuntu at one point(breezy badger), when you installed your system. Your root password was stored in a plain text form, in a system readable file. |
| 05:52.14 | unstable | One could argue that mistake was because they rushed. |
| 05:52.32 | SJr|nx | Hmmmmm okay I seem to be in rpm hell, which is ironic cause I'm running debian testing. |
| 05:52.36 | unstable | So anyone running a version of breezy that didn't get the patch. If I was a user on their system, I could just read this file(cat) and login as root and own the system. |
| 05:52.38 | SJr|nx | I cannot for the life of me, get VLC to install |
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| 05:52.56 | mzuverink | I just do not like all the ubuntu politics of late |
| 05:53.03 | dondelelcaro | SJr|nx: you're using apt-get install vlc; right? |
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| 05:53.07 | SJr|nx | on Ubuntu can't you just type sudo bash |
| 05:53.09 | SJr|nx | Yes I am |
| 05:53.14 | dondelelcaro | !tell SJr|nx -about bat |
| 05:53.32 | dondelelcaro | SJr|nx: follow those instructions, which will give us the output we need to get started |
| 05:53.35 | SJr|nx | hmmmm |
| 05:53.44 | unstable | NetBandit: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gkrellm+display+pictures&btnG=Google+Search |
| 05:53.45 | mzuverink | Is debian sudo based like ubuntu or can I su like in mandrake? |
| 05:53.46 | SJr|nx | before that :P there is no vlc package for testing |
| 05:53.51 | unstable | NetBandit: Check the second link from google. |
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| 05:53.59 | NetBandit | unstable: okay, thanks ;) |
| 05:54.00 | SJr|nx | dondelelcaro |
| 05:54.07 | unstable | NetBandit: gkrellkam GKrellM plugin that display thumbnails of periodically updated images |
| 05:54.29 | unstable | NetBandit: The site appears to be down. But the google cache versioni works. http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:JAU1a10EezoJ:www.usinglinux.org/graphics/+gkrellm+display+pictures&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2 |
| 05:54.56 | unstable | NetBandit: gkrellkam2 GKrellM plugin that display thumbnails of periodically updated images |
| 05:55.01 | unstable | NetBandit: possibly that is the plugin? |
| 05:55.02 | mzuverink | su work in debian? |
| 05:55.09 | deadcat | mzuverink: sure |
| 05:55.09 | unstable | NetBandit: I searched google for "gkrellm display pictures" |
| 05:55.10 | SJr|nx | yes it does mzuverink |
| 05:55.16 | mzuverink | thanks |
| 05:55.17 | dondelelcaro | SJr|nx: that's probably because it's got RC bugs that caused it to be removed from testing. |
| 05:55.23 | unstable | NetBandit: searching google for "gkrellm thumb nail picture" would have been better. |
| 05:55.27 | dondelelcaro | SJr|nx: that's usually what happens to those packages |
| 05:55.50 | SJr|nx | dondelecaro I also cannot install the stable or the testing package |
| 05:55.57 | SJr|nx | errrr sorry stable or the unstable package |
| 05:56.02 | dondelelcaro | SJr|nx: there isn't a testing package anymore |
| 05:56.11 | SJr|nx | is there anything I can do |
| 05:56.14 | dondelelcaro | SJr|nx: yes, your best bet is to either wait for it to transition to testing, or do the following: |
| 05:56.23 | NetBandit | unstable: thank you very much :) |
| 05:56.55 | dondelelcaro | SJr|nx: add a deb-src line for unstable; apt-get build-dep vlc; apt-get install fakeroot build-essential; apt-get -b source vlc; |
| 05:57.03 | dondelelcaro | SJr|nx: then dpkg -i the resultant debs. |
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| 05:57.24 | dondelelcaro | !tell SJr|nx -about why vlc is not in testing yet |
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| 05:57.59 | SJr|nx | hmmmm I didn't get aanything from that |
| 05:58.31 | dondelelcaro | !tell SJr|nx -about why vlc is not in testing |
| 05:58.57 | dondelelcaro | SJr|nx: yeah, I triggered the wrong one |
| 05:59.00 | tuv | can i tell from within aptitude if a package is in testing or unstable (i have both in my sources.list)? |
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| 05:59.34 | unstable | tuv: It's a bad idea to have both of those in your sources.list |
| 05:59.38 | unstable | !tell tuv about apt-cache |
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| 06:00.04 | unstable | tuv: apt-cache showpkg package; is what you want. man apt-cache |
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| 06:00.31 | mzuverink | after a net install, to get gnome, I would "apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment"? |
| 06:00.32 | tuv | unstable, i'm using apt-pinning.. and i know about apt-cache policy.. i was just looking for a way that works within aptitude.. synaptic can show the versions |
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| 06:00.57 | unstable | tuv: o, I dunno sorry. I don't use synaptic or aptitude |
| 06:01.34 | unstable | mzuverink: apt-get install x-window-system-core xorg gnome; |
| 06:01.35 | unstable | mzuverink: add firefox to the end of that line also |
| 06:01.35 | mzuverink | ok |
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| 06:01.59 | dondelelcaro | tuv: not easily; use apt-cache policy to do so. |
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| 06:02.44 | tuv | dondelelcaro, that's not what i want.. i'm asking if aptitude has that feature or not. |
| 06:04.00 | unstable | tuv: check out man aptitude. |
| 06:04.01 | tonsofpcs | How should I replace postgresql (installed with sarge) with mysql? Should I just apt-get remove and apt-get install? |
| 06:04.10 | unstable | tuv: I believe most people in here use command line, apt-cache or apt-get;(sometimes apt-file also), we find it easier to use. And more flexible. |
| 06:04.31 | unstable | tonsofpcs: You want to start fresh? Or you want to migrate your data to a new database? |
| 06:04.43 | tonsofpcs | unstable: I haven't made any yet, so it doesn't matter ;) |
| 06:04.52 | dondelelcaro | tuv: yes, I saw; I'm just lagged here. |
| 06:04.56 | tuv | unstable, i like about aptitude its removal of unused dependency that were automatically installed |
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| 06:05.03 | unstable | tonsofpcs: basically then yes, you would apt-get remove mysql; then apt-get install posgresql; |
| 06:05.18 | evilgeek | tonsofpcs: if you have no databases to migrate, that is what you do. why would would want to replace a working database with mysql is unclear to me, however. |
| 06:05.26 | unstable | tonsofpcs: possibly check /var/log/dpkg.log and see what was installed with mysql; as if you apt-get remove mysql-server that might not remove everything you want. |
| 06:05.36 | dondelelcaro | unstable: actually, quite a few of us use aptitude because it's far more powerful than apt-get. |
| 06:05.40 | unstable | tonsofpcs: You can also use apt-cache to see what mysql-server depends on(what would be installed with that) |
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| 06:05.55 | tuv | unstable, otherwise apt-get's conflict resolution is better than aptitude |
| 06:05.58 | dondelelcaro | unstable: for example, aptitude is capable of using the problem resolver within libapt, which is something that apt-get does not. |
| 06:06.26 | dondelelcaro | tuv: you'll find that aptitude's is actually better, because it can walk the set of problem resolutions. apt-get cannot. |
| 06:06.30 | evilgeek | tuv: the aptitude in unstable actually has a rather nice conflict resolver. |
| 06:06.38 | tonsofpcs | evilgeek: I'm helping someone create an eggdrop script that uses mysqlmap and I don't believe it works with anything else |
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| 06:07.10 | tuv | dondelelcaro, many times that set did not include the obvious solution that apt-get would suggest |
| 06:07.15 | evilgeek | tonsofpcs: fair enough. |
| 06:08.05 | evilgeek | tuv: true. i have had to use apt-get in order to repair an unstable system that i managed to break --- aptitude seems to be very bad at dealing with large problems. |
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| 06:08.44 | unstable | dondelelcaro: o I didn't know that. Good information. I thought most devs used apt-get |
| 06:09.21 | unstable | dondelelcaro: There are three other people in here with aliases similar to yours, heh :( |
| 06:09.34 | unstable | s/three/two |
| 06:10.15 | tuv | only if apt-get had an option for removing no-longer-used-automatically-installed-dependencies, it would be perfect then |
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| 06:11.14 | Krhis | Any suggestions on where I can get my hands on Debian Etch's bittorrent ISO? |
| 06:11.23 | tonsofpcs | bittorrent |
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| 06:12.08 | callee | Krhis: the iso image for etch is not available via bittorrent, because the image itself changes so often |
| 06:12.14 | tuv | is that at all possible? |
| 06:12.48 | Krhis | Ah, but I did do a search though the repositories and found nothing but stabe. |
| 06:12.54 | Krhis | stable* |
| 06:13.01 | Krhis | Or did I overlook somthing? |
| 06:13.21 | callee | Krhis: i recommend downloading sarge and then upgrade to etch via apt-get distupgrade |
| 06:13.42 | liable | Krhis: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:13.50 | callee | you can download images for etch, but they used to be very buggy, on many occasion install fails |
| 06:14.37 | callee | Krhis: i suggest if you can, do a netinstall |
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| 06:14.56 | bmishy | is not danger have the xchat installed in root? |
| 06:15.13 | Krhis | I was planing to dist-upgrade to begin with, just needed the repositories... thanks liable. |
| 06:15.15 | callee | meaning: install a minimum system of sarge, upgrade that to etch and install then all software you need |
| 06:15.17 | on1009 | would you know whats to be done on a debian/sarge to make the swsusp work? |
| 06:15.22 | sep | bmishy, you allways install aplications as root, just dont run it as root. |
| 06:15.28 | unstable | !tell Krhis about d-i |
| 06:15.31 | on1009 | patch needed in the shipped kernel? |
| 06:15.37 | unstable | Krhis: You can download the 100 meg net install disc. |
| 06:15.47 | callee | bmishy: it is dangerous, as an attacker on irc can use an exploint in xchat and gain root-privileges automatically |
| 06:16.13 | liable | on1009: i think there is in kernel support, not for suspend2 though, that needs a patch |
| 06:16.14 | bmishy | sep but if they are installed in root ... if they gotsomebug they cant access the root ? |
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| 06:16.35 | on1009 | liable, theres a deb for the patch? |
| 06:17.07 | unstable | !tell Krhis about sarge->etch |
| 06:17.19 | Krhis | Thanks everyone, got what I needed. |
| 06:17.25 | Krhis | Thanks unstable. |
| 06:17.28 | liable | on1009: nope. its a bz2, but has a self patcher so to speak. cheak the suspend2 webiste |
| 06:17.43 | on1009 | ok thx |
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| 06:18.08 | Krhis | Mainly sarge->etch was all that I needed. |
| 06:18.25 | bmishy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.59 | sep | bmishy, what do you mean with installed in root ? my xchat is in /usr/bin/xchat |
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| 06:19.43 | ktwilight | you install softwares on root, but run as a normal user. never run as root. |
| 06:20.08 | tralala | bmishy: you can only install software (system wide) as root, but should never use it as root (generally). |
| 06:20.18 | tralala | !lose me |
| 06:20.19 | dpkg | tralala: You Lose. |
| 06:20.53 | bmishy | sep yes try tocompile the software and says to methat dont have aces ytours ...and is not danger give acessto install on usr ? |
| 06:21.20 | liable | !fakeroot |
| 06:21.21 | dpkg | it has been said that fakeroot is a program that provides fake root environment, or a glorious hack that enables you to be root without actually being root. Usefull for creating tarballs with setuid 0 files in them. |
| 06:21.28 | ktwilight | does anyone know where i can get avifix? :/ |
| 06:21.31 | ktwilight | can't seem to find it |
| 06:21.32 | sep | bmishy, i never compile |
| 06:21.46 | sep | bmishy, as you should not |
| 06:22.30 | bmishy | i know but if cames some bug in the software is not danger have it on root in the usr place ? |
| 06:22.37 | liable | ktwilight: what does it do? |
| 06:22.41 | tralala | bmishy: so you're new to linux and you're jumping on compiling directly? Not such a good idea. |
| 06:22.50 | ktwilight | fixes corrupted avi |
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| 06:23.12 | bmishy | tralala imnew on linux andallready compile afew newon linux not new in computing |
| 06:23.14 | ktwilight | compiling is fun if ya a newbie who's adventurous :P |
| 06:23.16 | tralala | ktwilight: packaged? |
| 06:23.32 | dabreegster | ktwilight: I recall hearing that somewhere, but I know mplayer/mencoder can usually fix bad AVI indices |
| 06:23.33 | ktwilight | apparently not tralala. but i saw something on ubuntu :/ |
| 06:23.36 | sep | bmishy, compiling your own software and failing to follow up is one of the biggest security holes. use debian's packages and get security upgrades for free... |
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| 06:24.03 | ktwilight | dabreegster, hmm...i'm using mplayer. but i can't forward/rewind. but can play. so am just guessing that it's the headers that's messed up. |
| 06:24.12 | tralala | ktwilight: I mean are you looking for a package or source? |
| 06:24.15 | dabreegster | ktwilight: Actually, wait, I have an avifix binary. Lemme see which package it's in |
| 06:24.19 | dabreegster | ktwilight: Try with -forceidx |
| 06:24.25 | ktwilight | either reall tralala |
| 06:24.30 | dabreegster | ktwilight: It's in the transcode package, which might be in marillat |
| 06:24.32 | ktwilight | s/reall/really |
| 06:24.32 | bmishy | sep and why is that ? |
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| 06:24.41 | ktwilight | i have marillat in my sources.list |
| 06:25.02 | bmishy | what have bad compiling the software :\ |
| 06:25.09 | tralala | ktwilight: mplayer has a few options to deal with indexing avis by the way |
| 06:25.14 | ktwilight | -forceidx is...from which command? mplayer? |
| 06:25.28 | ktwilight | tralala, oh rellly...hmm...didn't know |
| 06:25.30 | dabreegster | ktwilight: Yeah. Or check out the transcode package. |
| 06:25.32 | sep | bmishy, becouse unless you subscribe to 1000 email lists you wont know when security related bugs aer fixed so you can upgrade your selfcompiled software. |
| 06:26.21 | sep | bmishy, it's just too much going on, to be able to pay attention to everything all the time. |
| 06:26.25 | tralala | bmishy: you are new to linux and we are not - take our word on it and don't compile |
| 06:26.39 | ktwilight | transcode is for encoding. |
| 06:26.44 | dabreegster | ktwilight: If you play the video a lot and it takes a while to regenerate the index and you don't feel like re-encoding it with a proper index, then you can save the index with -idx file and then later -loadidx file |
| 06:26.51 | sep | bmishy, ofcouse the other part is that why compile when you dont haev to. the packages work why not use them |
| 06:26.54 | ktwilight | ahso, i see whaty ou mean |
| 06:26.57 | dabreegster | ktwilight: But the package contains avifix |
| 06:26.59 | unstable | ktwilight: yes mplayer |
| 06:27.19 | bmishy | sep that means nathing i think one good safe system is make to when fails if ithink .... if i got onesoftwrae in one acount user whith bug since they dont have access to theother it is ok i think |
| 06:27.26 | ktwilight | k, let's try the forceidx |
| 06:27.41 | sep | bmishy, i didnt understand half of that im afraid.. |
| 06:27.52 | supermihi | Hi. I have a problem: I can't open the cups web frontend from other than localhost, though imho cupsd.conf is configured right to allow access to the whole subnet |
| 06:28.03 | unstable | ktwilight: yea, just mplayer -fs -forceidx file.avi |
| 06:28.13 | supermihi | always get a "403 forbidden" message as soon as I try to access the site, without any login screen appearing |
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| 06:28.22 | unstable | ktwilight: If you downloaded with bittorrent, it will be all fucked up and disorganized. |
| 06:28.38 | unstable | ktwilight: If you used http or ftp, or dcc etc. You have a data in sequential order. |
| 06:28.54 | dabreegster | unstable: Which is why Bittorrent and dialup is a bad combo. |
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| 06:29.03 | dabreegster | unstable: s/is/are/ |
| 06:29.07 | ktwilight | well, it wasn't off bittorrent. |
| 06:29.17 | bmishy | sep imagine you got one software install in one acount whith one bug ... so if the software dont have access to the other user acounts there are noproblem but if is install on root can be problem inst it ? |
| 06:29.29 | ktwilight | wow...forceidx worked! |
| 06:29.30 | ktwilight | haah |
| 06:29.33 | ktwilight | hmm... |
| 06:29.40 | ktwilight | it's a good tempo solution |
| 06:29.41 | dabreegster | ktwilight: Of course it did. |
| 06:29.45 | bmishy | that why i dont like the thing to install on root |
| 06:29.46 | tralala | as long as the torrent is successfully finished nothing is messed up |
| 06:30.05 | sep | bmishy, it's irrelevant in what directory it's installed as. you can install it in /tmp or /root or /sbin. what mattesrs is the priveledges of the user running the program |
| 06:30.09 | ktwilight | the seed could be messed up tralala :P |
| 06:30.12 | dabreegster | ktwilight: avifix from transcode will probably fix it easily. You can also re-encode the file and probably just copy the audio and video streams, but I'm afraid I can't help with that. |
| 06:30.41 | ktwilight | will get transcode and work from it. |
| 06:30.52 | bmishy | sep :x ok need to study a litle more that :p |
| 06:30.57 | ktwilight | thanks dabreegster, tralala, and unstable :) |
| 06:30.58 | sep | bmishy, an attacher will have the same rights as the user running the program, if you want to be safe from that you can run programs in chroot jails |
| 06:31.26 | dabreegster | ktwilight: If not, try something like mencoder input.avi -ovc copy -oac copy -forceidx -o out.avi but I dunno if that'll work. |
| 06:31.30 | bmishy | ok |
| 06:31.31 | tralala | bmishy: what can be accessed by a certain software doesn't depend on the software itself (or where it's installed) but on the user running it and the user's privileges |
| 06:31.42 | sep | bmishy, just install whaever programs you want with apt-get as root, and use the programs as a regular user. |
| 06:32.04 | ktwilight | ok, will try |
| 06:32.24 | ktwilight | i never fail to learn something new 'bout debian since i installed it. :/ |
| 06:32.39 | ktwilight | it's so unlike windows...it's almost...crazy. |
| 06:32.44 | tralala | ktwilight: this isn't really debian related |
| 06:33.05 | dabreegster | ktwilight: There is an #mplayer, by the way |
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| 06:33.13 | ktwilight | well...i meant generally. not really ya know. |
| 06:33.13 | IsDis4Me | helllo |
| 06:33.22 | unstable | !greet IsDis4Me |
| 06:33.22 | dpkg | Welcome, IsDis4Me |
| 06:33.27 | ktwilight | yup, will check with 'em if there's anything :) |
| 06:33.55 | bmishy | tralalaso yes imunderstanding now |
| 06:34.32 | bmishy | so onlyif the software is runing on root there can be problems ... |
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| 06:34.52 | bmishy | i can run software that are installedon rootand there are noproblemis that ? |
| 06:34.56 | kunjan | quick question.. how do i check the current upload speed on eth0 from text mode? |
| 06:35.48 | bmishy | ok |
| 06:35.56 | bmishy | thanks :p |
| 06:36.00 | tralala | bmishy: the software can be a problem only when it's run by high-priviledged user |
| 06:36.50 | tralala | root it the highest (except for selinux) but you could have other potentially dangerous users as well |
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| 06:37.29 | bmishy | ok :p |
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| 06:38.20 | pitillo | kunjan, take a look to iptraf |
| 06:38.37 | tralala | and even when the user is low-priviledged you still have the risk of this users data (all of it). Security is not a simple thing, but unless you're running a server you shouldn't be overly concerned |
| 06:38.41 | bmishy | smart option |
| 06:39.16 | bmishy | well my friends call me security paranoic lol |
| 06:39.28 | kunjan | pitillo: wht folder is it in? |
| 06:39.43 | pitillo | kunjan, use apt to get it |
| 06:40.23 | kunjan | aah ok |
| 06:40.24 | kunjan | got it |
| 06:40.30 | kunjan | pitillo: thanks! |
| 06:40.35 | pitillo | :) |
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| 06:47.53 | gehidore | anyone had success getting mod_rewrite to work? |
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| 06:48.19 | nosklo | gehidore, works fine here |
| 06:48.25 | unstable | !tell gehidore about anyone |
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| 06:50.38 | gehidore | nosklo: I was under the impression all I had to do was symlink it from mod-available, to mod-use |
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| 06:51.13 | brownie17 | can anyone tell me why i seem to have 100% CPU usage but there is not a single window open except x-chat!?!?! |
| 06:51.28 | gehidore | brownie17: ps aux, or top |
| 06:51.35 | gehidore | they'll show you what's hogging it |
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| 06:52.46 | brownie17 | gehidore, it doesn't. it's still saying 100% but nothing in there is over 10 and there's only like 3 processes taking up any |
| 06:53.00 | nosklo | gehidore, I used a2enmod |
| 06:53.01 | gehidore | brownie17: what 'says' |
| 06:53.07 | nosklo | gehidore, type man a2enmod |
| 06:53.14 | gehidore | nosklo: ok |
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| 06:53.21 | hburchey | When I use rsync, it spits out ssh errors, that it can't connect to port 22 and so on. Why the heck is rsync using ssh? |
| 06:53.43 | Arafangion | hburchey: How does it get the files? |
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| 06:53.54 | Arafangion | hburchey: If you don't want to use ssh, specify a different transport. |
| 06:53.59 | Arafangion | hburchey: man rsync |
| 06:53.59 | zinx | hburchey: because you have RSYNC_RSH set to ssh |
| 06:53.59 | brownie17 | gehidore, the little system resource monitor in my gnome-bar-majigga |
| 06:54.04 | liable | hburchey: thats how rsync works over a network |
| 06:54.11 | zinx | hburchey: but, i'm not really sure why you'd want to use anything other than ssh |
| 06:54.12 | hburchey | Oh, I see. |
| 06:54.41 | gehidore | brownie17: tell it to stop looking at niced stuff... |
| 06:54.45 | zinx | hburchey: rsync's own protocol is crazily insecure |
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| 06:55.53 | dondelelcaro | zinx: rsync does stuff that needs to be secure over some transport layer, generally ssh. The rsync transport layer itself is just like http or similar. It has no security at all. |
| 06:56.22 | zinx | dondelelcaro: uhm, i'm well aware. read what i said more carefully? |
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| 06:56.46 | Arafangion | ssh is practically the defacto method of obtaining a temporary secure link. |
| 06:56.59 | dondelelcaro | zinx: so long as you're aware; what you wrote could be read multiple ways... |
| 06:57.09 | gehidore | nosklo: it says it is loaded, but it doesn't work. |
| 06:57.11 | zinx | dondelelcaro: rsync has its own transport, using rsyncd, too |
| 06:57.19 | Arafangion | (Where temporary can be anywhere between 1 second to days or longer - but not permanent) |
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| 06:57.37 | zinx | dondelelcaro: it's .. not so great. and doesn't use anything but plaintext. |
| 06:57.59 | dondelelcaro | zinx: right, but it's not designed to be secure... it just allows files that you specify to be accessed. |
| 06:58.18 | brownie17 | gehidore, does X absolutely need a nice value of -10? can i just put it at zero and stay stable? |
| 06:58.21 | dondelelcaro | (well, any more secure than the equivalent access using http or similar would be) |
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| 06:59.35 | gehidore | well have a nice night. |
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| 07:00.01 | dondelelcaro | brownie17: in most cases it won't make a difference. You can change the nice level if you wish. |
| 07:00.20 | unstable | anyone have a question that isn't being answered? |
| 07:00.21 | power1 | Hey all when adding a new user to the system, I notice the home directory is created with " drwxr-xr-x" is this correct, I thought only the user should have access to his/her home directory? |
| 07:00.57 | dondelelcaro | power1: that's the default; you can change it by altering the adduser options in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 07:01.05 | sep | power1, that dependin on your policy |
| 07:01.31 | dondelelcaro | (it's the default because often you want things like http to be able to access public_html in your users directories) |
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| 07:01.56 | brownie17 | when using the apt-cache search function, if i wanna get more specific info or a description on one item, what code do i use? |
| 07:02.07 | dondelelcaro | brownie17: apt-cache show foopkg |
| 07:02.10 | sep | power1, i add a private directory in /etc/skel that is not globaly accessable for things they want private |
| 07:02.15 | unstable | !tell brownie17 about apt-cache |
| 07:02.17 | etchmen | mmm |
| 07:02.18 | power1 | dondelelcaro, sep is this ok to leave like this if I am going to create a user account for poeple to upload via ftp to, if i leave proftpd in chroot jail is this safe? |
| 07:02.37 | dondelelcaro | power1: you shouldn't need a user account for people to do that; just use anonymous ftp for that |
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| 07:03.03 | power1 | dondelelcaro, umm isnt anonymous not writable....just readable? |
| 07:03.18 | dondelelcaro | power1: there's often a dropbox which is writable but not readable. |
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| 07:03.29 | dondelelcaro | power1: alternatively, proftp has its own non-system users which you can use to grant access to specific folders |
| 07:03.56 | brownie17 | is there a command to apt-get more than one progam in one line? say i wanted to get toolame and mpegtools??? |
| 07:04.05 | power1 | dondelelcaro, thanks.....I will look into it. |
| 07:04.09 | dondelelcaro | brownie17: apt-get install foo bar baz bleh; |
| 07:04.15 | dondelelcaro | brownie17: man apt-get; for details. |
| 07:04.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell brownie17 about debian reference |
| 07:04.30 | dondelelcaro | brownie17: you should also read that as well. |
| 07:06.02 | power1 | dondelelcaro, how do i make the anonymous account writable? |
| 07:07.09 | SJr|nx | dondelelcaro I tried your solution for vlc, however it won't work |
| 07:07.11 | SJr|nx | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2841 |
| 07:07.13 | SJr|nx | that's the output |
| 07:07.49 | SJr|nx | I did what you said |
| 07:08.02 | unstable | power1: /etc/proftpd.conf possibly |
| 07:08.32 | power1 | unstable, |
| 07:08.35 | power1 | thanks |
| 07:08.45 | etchmen | kde and cups are not friends at the mo |
| 07:08.54 | SJr|nx | why not? |
| 07:09.24 | etchmen | 3.5.2 and try to add printer using CUPS |
| 07:09.31 | etchmen | was a non event |
| 07:09.50 | etchmen | footmatic-gui,, no problem |
| 07:09.52 | dondelelcaro | SJr|nx: oh... you may not be able to get that to work then... the next solution is to pin unstable, and upgrade parts of your system to unstable. |
| 07:09.57 | unstable | SJr|nx: You seem to have sources for sarge etch and unstable all in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:10.16 | dondelelcaro | unstable: note that those are deb-src sources... |
| 07:10.29 | unstable | SJr|nx: If there is a debian repository for vlc from the developer web page, why don't you change "sarge" to "etch" and apt-get update && apt-get install vlc? |
| 07:10.42 | dondelelcaro | SJr|nx: the other alternative is to manually change the build dependencies for the package, but that's a real pain. |
| 07:10.46 | dondelelcaro | unstable: vlc is not in testing. |
| 07:10.55 | etchmen | true |
| 07:11.07 | etchmen | unstable |
| 07:11.14 | etchmen | loaded it today |
| 07:11.21 | etchmen | all good |
| 07:11.35 | SJr|nx | lol I've run it before |
| 07:11.38 | SJr|nx | and no |
| 07:11.38 | dondelelcaro | well, it's not that difficult to change the build dependencies, but it's suboptimal for me to explain to you how to do it. |
| 07:11.54 | SJr|nx | all of a sudden, bam your system doesn't boot :P |
| 07:12.08 | SJr|nx | or the behaivor has changed drastically |
| 07:12.10 | unstable | dondelelcaro: no I know, because of rc bug. dondelelcaro but he has two lines from vlc developer website as repositories in his sources.list |
| 07:12.27 | unstable | dondelelcaro: So it would appear the developer has debs on the dev website for debian.(but he has sarge listed) |
| 07:12.46 | SJr|nx | Alls I want is VLC why is this so hard |
| 07:12.49 | SJr|nx | *sob* |
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| 07:13.08 | liable | !comfort SJr|nx |
| 07:13.08 | dpkg | There, there, SJr|nx. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:13.27 | unstable | !tell SJr|nx about testing |
| 07:13.29 | etchmen | add unstable repo and d/load it |
| 07:13.35 | unstable | SJr|nx: It has an rc bug it would appear. |
| 07:13.45 | unstable | no etchmen that is a bad idea |
| 07:13.50 | etchmen | oooh |
| 07:14.00 | SJr|nx | yes yes I know, but normally I can mix packages without incident. |
| 07:14.02 | liable | backport it would be ok |
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| 07:14.13 | SJr|nx | HHmmmm also a wiierrd XChat bug, anything with an s in thhe middle of the word disappears |
| 07:14.42 | unstable | liable: Can you use backports with etch? |
| 07:14.54 | dondelelcaro | SJr|nx: no, what I was suggesting is to pin unstable at say 0 |
| 07:15.01 | liable | unstable: i meant backport the sid sources. |
| 07:15.08 | SJr|nx | for instance, unstable's name is un table |
| 07:15.17 | SJr|nx | well except it looks more like untable |
| 07:15.21 | SJr|nx | just a slight space |
| 07:15.24 | SJr|nx | just is jut |
| 07:15.50 | dondelelcaro | heh. I've even looked at this RC bug before |
| 07:15.56 | SJr|nx | hmmm oh it's a font problem |
| 07:16.10 | SJr|nx | oh well switching to unstable for a second itt is |
| 07:16.16 | SJr|nx | I hope I can revert back easily |
| 07:16.27 | liable | SJr|nx: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 07:16.43 | SJr|nx | why you guys have a message for everything, except that one didn't work. |
| 07:16.47 | SJr|nx | wow* |
| 07:16.54 | SJr|nx | no wait I guess why works too |
| 07:17.17 | liable | SJr|nx: dpkg is very smart :) |
| 07:17.29 | unstable | !abuse |
| 07:17.29 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 07:19.25 | etchmen | sounds bad |
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| 07:23.30 | unstable | Looks like the channel numbers are going down. |
| 07:23.33 | unstable | Used to be a couple hundred higher, iirc |
| 07:24.52 | liable | the bots are slowly changing channel :P |
| 07:25.21 | unstable | heh |
| 07:25.57 | unstable | You can watch them ping timeout, then connect on oftc as the same alias |
| 07:26.12 | servus | !spam spam spam humbug |
| 07:26.19 | etchmen | where are they going? |
| 07:26.37 | unstable | !tell etchmen about topic |
| 07:26.45 | unstable | !tell etchmen about oftc move |
| 07:28.02 | unstable | dondelelcaro: Is dpkg synced with oftc and here; so the content is the same? |
| 07:28.31 | servus | !fact sharing |
| 07:28.32 | dpkg | i heard fact sharing is I show the same facts on both freenode and OFTC. If you update a fact on one network, it will show up on the other network |
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| 07:29.32 | unstable | heh, I got the dpkg fact sharing factoid, but I didn't actually read it before i asked the question. |
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| 07:29.52 | unstable | heh, this has potential for cross dpkg network wars. |
| 07:29.57 | goron | I would like a photo viewer which can view nested folders with photos in it. Can you recommend one? |
| 07:30.05 | unstable | ie, them editing the freenode factoid, or someone here editing the oftc factoid. |
| 07:30.13 | unstable | !tell goron about f-spot |
| 07:30.23 | goron | I tried gthumb and kuickshow already. |
| 07:30.31 | unstable | goron: irc.gnome.org #f-spot; apt-get install f-spot; |
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| 07:30.51 | liable | goron: i like gqview myself. |
| 07:30.57 | unstable | goron: Have you ever used picassa? |
| 07:30.58 | dondelelcaro | unstable: they use the same database |
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| 07:31.14 | unstable | dondelelcaro: yea I saw, thanks. |
| 07:31.29 | enraGe | are there any new solutions for xorg-server 7.1 and ati card? |
| 07:31.35 | goron | liable: I think I started that, but I couldn't see how to view recursive. |
| 07:31.36 | liable | dondelelcaro: did myon mention the ops thing yesterday? |
| 07:32.03 | goron | unstable: not really. Is it good? |
| 07:32.46 | unstable | goron: eh, it's ok. |
| 07:32.49 | unstable | !f-spot |
| 07:32.49 | dpkg | from memory, f-spot is a photograph management application, similar to Google Inc.'s freeware Picasa 2. F-Spot is an application designed to provide personal photo management to the GNOME desktop. Features include import, export, printing and advanced sorting of digital images by using tags. |
| 07:33.08 | unstable | goron: There is a wine/picassa deb on google.com's site for picassa. If you want to try a window program using wine. |
| 07:33.30 | dondelelcaro | liable: what about it? |
| 07:33.32 | goron | unstable: I know picassa should run with wine. |
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| 07:33.33 | unstable | goron: I believe f-spot is one of the most popular photo viewing programs out there. It is very feature full. Looks promising. development is still going on improving it. |
| 07:34.12 | goron | unstable: As long as I can view a slideshow with nested folders. I don't need anything else. |
| 07:34.17 | liable | dondelelcaro: different ops on both channels. no big deal, but he/she is an op on oftc and isnt highlighted by !ops call |
| 07:34.24 | unstable | goron: f-spot can do this. |
| 07:34.37 | dondelelcaro | liable: oh, just change the ops factoid |
| 07:34.39 | goron | unstable: thanks, I am already downloading it. |
| 07:34.57 | unstable | goron: If you want more information about f-spot, irc.gnome.org #f-spot |
| 07:35.18 | unstable | goron: or here: http://f-spot.org/Main_Page |
| 07:36.01 | faber3 | morning, good |
| 07:36.10 | faber3 | how can i mount /sys ??? |
| 07:36.22 | unstable | faber3: /sys already is mounted. |
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| 07:36.52 | faber3 | unstable: mmhhh... i am in a chroot an i want to make a proper initrd with yaird. i am stuck. yaird wants /sys |
| 07:36.57 | unstable | I wish hyperion allowed people to send and receive messages with a significantly higher char limit ONLY to/from dpkg. That would be convenient dondelelcaro no? |
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| 07:37.35 | unstable | faber3: What did you use to compile your kernel? |
| 07:37.44 | faber3 | unstable: i installed stock kernel-image |
| 07:38.01 | faber3 | unstable: but i am afraid maschin wont boot. its a remote box and i have one shot |
| 07:38.16 | liable | faber3: just do 'mount /sys' |
| 07:38.23 | dondelelcaro | unstable: well, I had in the past thought about fixing dcc to allow for people to dcc the bot; but in reality if the question needs an answer too long for a factoid it probably should be a page in the Debian wiki that the factoid links to |
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| 07:39.19 | liable | faber3: you can do one shot booting with lilo and grub too. |
| 07:39.49 | faber3 | liable: what do you mean ? (btw: yaird --test now seems happy) |
| 07:39.49 | liable | faber3: though sarges grub doesnt seem to have the tool for it. |
| 07:39.50 | junir | hi, when installing I choose not to setup networking. What etc files need to modified now to do this or what dpkg command should I run? |
| 07:39.52 | unstable | faber3: I'm not sure to be honest. dpkg doesn't have a yaird factoid. faber3 if you figure it out, you should make a how to and publish it on the debian.org wiki |
| 07:40.04 | ashfls | do i have to regularly update the security of my system? if so, how do i do it? |
| 07:40.17 | liable | faber3: you can set either to boot once then default back to another kernel |
| 07:40.20 | faber3 | liable: well grub i did install from outside the chroot (which is a knoppix 5), and that seems to work |
| 07:40.21 | unstable | junir: dhclient eth0; will get you online. |
| 07:40.27 | unstable | !tell junir about interfaces |
| 07:41.00 | liable | faber3: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 07:41.14 | faber3 | unstable: the yaird --test output looks promising |
| 07:41.19 | unstable | ashfls: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (is how I would do it on sarge) |
| 07:41.27 | unstable | ashfls: What version of debian are you using? |
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| 07:41.37 | ashfls | unstable: testing |
| 07:42.01 | unstable | ashfls: Then you would need to use testing security updates.(they should be there by default) |
| 07:42.07 | unstable | !tell ashfls about topic |
| 07:42.16 | unstable | !tell ashfls about testing security |
| 07:43.12 | unstable | ashfls: actually I don't think they are in there by default, not unless you recently grabbed an etch disc. If you dist-upgrade from sarge then no. |
| 07:43.26 | unstable | ashfls: You need to edit the files dpkg told you. |
| 07:43.41 | faber3 | what image format for the initrd should i use? i use grub on a kernel 2.6.15 ? |
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| 07:45.22 | ashfls | unstable: to confirm: put that security repo line into sources.list and then apt-update and apt-dist-upgrade. right? |
| 07:46.12 | kristalino | how can i dynamicly adjust the resolution in xorg (don't tell me about ctrl-alt +/-, that's not what i call dynamic) |
| 07:46.23 | unstable | ashfls: yes |
| 07:46.28 | faber3 | can i use "grub" for a dry-run on a booted system? |
| 07:46.35 | unstable | !tell kristalino about xrandr |
| 07:46.39 | ashfls | unstable: thks. |
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| 07:47.48 | unstable | kristalino: xrandr -s 800x600; this command would put me at 800x600(I just did this 2 seconds ago) |
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| 07:48.11 | kristalino | unstable, thanks, i try it now |
| 07:48.16 | Myon | liable: I've got a hilight for !ops now ;) |
| 07:48.17 | unstable | kristalino: and xrandr -s 1024x768 puts me back to normal(I just did this 2 seconds ago) |
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| 07:48.32 | unstable | kristalino: The resolutions me be allowed in /etc/X11/(X config) file |
| 07:48.34 | etchmen | marcels_: hello |
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| 07:48.50 | liable | Myon: oh, cool :) |
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| 07:49.30 | superlinux | who of you uses pdf-on-the-fly feature, for php? do you know a tool that does with Arabic support? |
| 07:49.32 | faber3 | how can i get dpkg to ask the expert questions? |
| 07:50.04 | unstable | superlinux: Why would you need "Arabic support" for pdf on the fly? |
| 07:50.11 | unstable | superlinux: Or you want arabic support for pdf in general? |
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| 07:50.43 | superlinux | well my collegue is programming with Arabic interface |
| 07:50.44 | unstable | etchmen: You can do /who #debian; then go to your server window, and type /lastlog .co.nz |
| 07:50.52 | unstable | etchmen: Then you can find every person with a .nz hostmask in #debian |
| 07:51.18 | ashfls | unstable: have this error: Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
| 07:51.19 | ashfls | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.25 | superlinux | unstable, I am using an application called htmldoc |
| 07:51.28 | unstable | etchmen: Or you could do /who *.co.nz; and find every person on this entire network(that is mode -i(invisible)) who is from .nz |
| 07:51.38 | etchmen | unstable: in there now..the new channel? |
| 07:51.40 | superlinux | but it cant show arabic chars |
| 07:51.56 | unstable | ashfls: Can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list file on a paste website? |
| 07:52.00 | unstable | !tell ashfls about paste |
| 07:52.06 | superlinux | even if I force the encoding |
| 07:52.48 | ashfls | unstable: its a short file. i'll put in to #flood, ok? |
| 07:53.00 | unstable | ashfls: ok |
| 07:53.36 | unstable | superlinux: It would appear it is not possible. |
| 07:53.55 | etchmen | unstable: interesting |
| 07:53.59 | unstable | superlinux: I think you're asking a very specialized question. superlinux if I were in your position. I would find out who developed the software and ask them. superlinux if this software were "free software" then you could look at the code and add arabic support. |
| 07:54.13 | ashfls | unstable: it is in. |
| 07:54.19 | unstable | superlinux: Or you could get 10 of your friends who like this program, have them each put in 10 dollars, then pay someone 100 dollars to fix the code. |
| 07:54.37 | unstable | superlinux: But because you are using non-free software. You have many restrictions with this "htmldoc" program. |
| 07:55.17 | unstable | ashfls: see #flood |
| 07:55.25 | unstable | etchmen: yes |
| 07:55.42 | unstable | etchmen: also if you are looking for locals, there are probably many .nz specific channels on irc in various places. |
| 07:56.36 | etchmen | unstable: there are many on this channel |
| 07:57.04 | unstable | etchmen: yes, it would appear .nz is a great place for GNU / Linux users. And your country has a higher then average user population. |
| 07:57.20 | unstable | At least percent per population average. |
| 07:57.45 | etchmen | unstable: i have done 100+ installs |
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| 07:58.29 | etchmen | sarge/etch/kanotix |
| 07:58.36 | unstable | etchmen: That's awesome. |
| 07:58.44 | liable | !seen azar |
| 07:58.45 | dpkg | azar <i=macondo@h-66-166-120-11.lsanca54.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 7h 37m 2s ago, saying: 'Infal I'd keep the english language for system, and only use russian with the browser.'. |
| 07:59.00 | etchmen | and mepis in the good old days ..,,he he |
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| 07:59.25 | unstable | superlinux: pdf is an open standard. So there is nothing from stopping you from creating your own software that does the same thing or sometihng similar. |
| 07:59.26 | goron | unstable: f-spot seems to be working good enough. :) |
| 07:59.30 | unstable | superlinux: Then you aren't controlled and have a master. ie, a master you have to beg to support your native language. |
| 07:59.37 | unstable | goron: glad to hear it. |
| 08:01.09 | goron | unstable: Adobe has some patents on some of the data structures for I think rendering pdf, so I have heard. |
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| 08:05.26 | unstable | goron: o possibly |
| 08:05.34 | unstable | goron: Wouldn't suprise me. |
| 08:05.56 | unstable | goron: But openoffice.org and abiword, and xpdf and a numerous other free software projects use pdf. So they seem to be some what friendly to free software. |
| 08:06.12 | unstable | goron: I don't believe superlinux would have a problem creating the software. |
| 08:06.40 | unstable | For two reasons, 1 history, 2 he doesn't fall under shit ass American patent laws. Because he luckily doesn't live in the USA |
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| 08:08.36 | goron | unstable: I don't really understand patents very well. You can't patent math, but you can patent some method in software. I don't see the difference. |
| 08:09.17 | ktwilight | it's like patenting life through genes... :/ |
| 08:09.26 | ktwilight | its the matter of perspective. |
| 08:09.37 | zinx | goron: it's the words you use |
| 08:09.52 | zinx | goron: and it's all incredibly stupid and poorly implemented |
| 08:10.09 | unstable | goron: The patent office in america has gone crazy. |
| 08:10.22 | unstable | goron: They give out patents for the progress bar(that horizontal bar with 10% etc) |
| 08:10.28 | ktwilight | it's actually very smart. it's just the abuse of it that makes it go nuts |
| 08:10.39 | goron | zinx: ? |
| 08:10.41 | unstable | goron: In Europe it's illegal to sue people over software idea patents. |
| 08:10.56 | goron | unstable: What can you patent in Europe? |
| 08:11.00 | unstable | ktwilight: Well software idea patents aren't smart.(europe doesn't use them) |
| 08:11.04 | goron | unstable: Algorithms? |
| 08:11.05 | unstable | It stifles innovation. |
| 08:11.13 | unstable | goron: I don't believe so |
| 08:11.23 | unstable | goron: physical tangible objects/mechnisms. |
| 08:11.30 | unstable | drugs |
| 08:11.31 | unstable | etc |
| 08:11.41 | zinx | unstable: hopefully ones that have already been created only |
| 08:11.44 | ktwilight | i meant the idea of patent and everything related to it. |
| 08:11.51 | goron | unstable: An implementatation of an algorithm in a computer? |
| 08:12.03 | goron | unstable: that would sound like copyright to me. |
| 08:12.12 | ktwilight | to me, it's smart 'cuz 1) tracking what goes on and even able to play with it 2) earn money |
| 08:12.13 | unstable | zinx: hopefully, but they often fuckup |
| 08:12.20 | zinx | but fwiw the pharmeceutical companies here abuse patents on drugs |
| 08:12.35 | unstable | Microsoft is offering a mandatory critical windows update, that removes features in how activex is embeded into Internet Explorer |
| 08:12.40 | unstable | All because they lost a patent case. |
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| 08:12.56 | unstable | We should move this discussion to #debian-offtopic so people who have questions aren't phased out. |
| 08:13.02 | goron | unstable: ok |
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| 08:15.03 | jbrimble | Hey guys.. How can i set up FTP on my debian server to modify my apache www directory? |
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| 08:18.56 | unstable | !tell pygi about debian-mentors |
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| 08:20.22 | jbrimble | could someone get me started on setting up FTP on my debian server to modify my apache www directory? |
| 08:20.38 | blondie | jbrimble: use scp instead |
| 08:20.57 | jbrimble | what's that? |
| 08:21.37 | blondie | it uses ssh to transfer files (it's secure unlike ftp) |
| 08:21.45 | jbrimble | i see |
| 08:21.52 | blondie | or sftp |
| 08:22.04 | blondie | but ftp is bad for such things :| |
| 08:22.04 | unstable | !tell jbrimble about scp |
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| 08:22.08 | unstable | !tell jbrimble about sftp |
| 08:22.37 | jbrimble | thanks unstable and blondie |
| 08:22.39 | unstable | I wish there was a channel mode, where you can't join a channel if someone has an alias that matches the first two chars of you alias, and is already in the channel. |
| 08:22.48 | unstable | For the sake of auto nick completion scripts. |
| 08:22.49 | ktwilight | !tell ktwilight about sftp |
| 08:22.51 | ktwilight | :D |
| 08:23.05 | ktwilight | hmm...i expected more. :/ |
| 08:23.12 | unstable | ktwilight: /msg dpkg sftp; /msg dpkg help; |
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| 08:23.16 | unstable | !tell ktwilight about msgdpkg |
| 08:23.26 | ktwilight | :) |
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| 08:24.07 | bcc_ | what's the difference between md and dm-mod? do i use one instead of the other? |
| 08:24.59 | unstable | !tell bcc_ about ask |
| 08:25.15 | unstable | bcc_: What are you trying to do? |
| 08:25.27 | bcc_ | unstable: build a software raid |
| 08:25.59 | unstable | o, that's why I've never heard of those commands. I'm too poor to have multiple hdds. |
| 08:26.11 | unstable | (although you don't need multiple hdds to do software raid) |
| 08:26.11 | bcc_ | those are modules |
| 08:26.26 | unstable | ahh, that makes even more sense now |
| 08:26.27 | unstable | !tell bcc_ about software raid |
| 08:26.49 | bcc_ | !tell bcc_ about software raid |
| 08:26.49 | unstable | I believe the sleep fairy is getting me under her control. It's time for me to retire. |
| 08:26.52 | unstable | Good night everyone |
| 08:27.06 | unstable | bcc_: /msg dpkg software raid; /msg dpkg help; |
| 08:27.12 | unstable | !tell bcc_ about msgdpkg |
| 08:27.44 | ktwilight | nite :) |
| 08:28.08 | bcc_ | 2004-06-03 |
| 08:28.13 | bcc_ | hehe that's some up-to-date docs :) |
| 08:28.21 | bcc_ | anyway, i read that how-to already |
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| 08:34.42 | liable | bcc_: whats the actuall problem? |
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| 08:37.17 | junir | im trying to set-up apt to go through a proxy and I appear to have no apt.conf file. Im running sarge, how is this? |
| 08:38.21 | junir | Theres definitely none in /etc or /etc/apt |
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| 08:38.36 | liable | there isnt one by default, if you need it, make it. |
| 08:38.49 | junir | ok, how do I make it? |
| 08:39.14 | liable | junir: what do you mean? with an editor. |
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| 08:39.37 | junir | ahhh, but does dpkg not automatically make one? |
| 08:39.52 | liable | nope |
| 08:40.21 | liable | junir: if you are following a howto for it, just make a file with the neccesary commands in it |
| 08:40.34 | liable | s/commands/stuff/ :P |
| 08:41.05 | junir | Could someboby pastebin one? |
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| 08:42.53 | junir | Im reading the apt.conf man page and I really haven't a clue how to go about this? |
| 08:43.21 | ktwilight | http://www.google.be/search?q=apt.conf+proxy <- first link |
| 08:43.28 | ktwilight | :) |
| 08:43.30 | junir | I remember using debian before and ubuntu and I did not have to create this file manually |
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| 08:44.32 | junir | ahhh, thanks ktwilight |
| 08:44.43 | Shadur | Check /usr/share/docs/apt/examples/apt.conf |
| 08:45.04 | Mastroquet | hi all |
| 08:45.07 | Mastroquet | good day |
| 08:45.15 | Sipingal | :q |
| 08:45.46 | Shadur | debian uses a conf.d structure to make sure other programs can plug into the system without trouble. |
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| 08:46.09 | elnath | hello all, |
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| 08:47.49 | elnath | sptupid question: I cant find a way to reinstall a packet. i'm looking for apt-get install --force or sth like that,to install packet,although it's already installed. |
| 08:48.14 | elnath | to overwrite the old binaries |
| 08:48.21 | elnath | 'old' |
| 08:48.38 | djcs | hello all again, im running a 2.6.12-2-686-smp kernel and i am struggling to install the current nvidia drivers. |
| 08:48.50 | djcs | unstable debian |
| 08:48.54 | liable | elnath: --reinstall |
| 08:49.23 | hound | elnath, apt-get --reinstall install package |
| 08:49.23 | hound | hmm... don't understand what your trying to do. install an older package? |
| 08:50.34 | etchmen | djcs: how about 2.6.15 SMP works well for me |
| 08:50.48 | elnath | no,i'm not sure if the binaries have been compromised (trojan) or not |
| 08:50.52 | djcs | sorry i meant 16 |
| 08:50.54 | etchmen | p4/3.2 |
| 08:51.07 | Mastroquet | I'm on Etch (and quite a noob) -- of course I have a question : I'd like to enable numlock as gdm starts, and I just don't know how |
| 08:51.07 | djcs | keyboard dyslexia |
| 08:51.42 | etchmen | oh I tried that but had a few probs,went back to 15 |
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| 08:52.08 | ktwilight | Mastroquet, which desktop environment are you using? |
| 08:52.17 | djcs | yeah well i am having ide troubles too, so that may be the key. |
| 08:52.45 | djcs | everyone keeps telling me basiccly that my mobo is too new and i dont understand that at all. |
| 08:52.49 | etchmen | djcs: yes give 15 a try |
| 08:53.02 | Mastroquet | ktwilight : fluxbox right now, but it's the same with anyone |
| 08:53.03 | ktwilight | installing numlockx helps too Mastroquet :) |
| 08:53.20 | ktwilight | yes, i forgot. :/ |
| 08:53.25 | etchmen | djcs: what cpu? |
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| 08:53.40 | Mastroquet | I read that already but could'nt find it with synaptic |
| 08:53.43 | ktwilight | i think gnome/kde has this option that you can check in the system system though. |
| 08:53.56 | djcs | 3.0 ghz p4 ht on a 945 chipset with single ide |
| 08:53.56 | ktwilight | just apt-get install numlockx...? |
| 08:54.11 | djcs | i am really struggling with it linux wise, windoze is fine |
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| 08:54.17 | Mastroquet | that what i was thinking... |
| 08:54.21 | ram_einstein | what's the debian security repo for? |
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| 08:54.44 | Mastroquet | ktwilight : no such package |
| 08:54.53 | Mastroquet | as numlockx |
| 08:54.55 | ktwilight | hmm...weird |
| 08:55.07 | etchmen | djcs: try 2.6.15.1smp |
| 08:55.20 | ram_einstein | !debian-security |
| 08:55.23 | etchmen | I had several probs with 16 |
| 08:55.24 | ktwilight | Mastroquet, sarge/etch/sid? |
| 08:55.26 | djcs | ok, aything quirky i should know about? |
| 08:55.28 | liable | ram_einstein: security realted bug fixes |
| 08:55.31 | ktwilight | am running on etch, and it has it. |
| 08:55.36 | liable | related.. |
| 08:55.40 | Mastroquet | ktwilight : Etch |
| 08:55.44 | ktwilight | weird |
| 08:55.58 | ram_einstein | liable: okay. I'm on AMD64 etch. What arguments should I pass to the repo? |
| 08:56.00 | ktwilight | ah! |
| 08:56.04 | Maulkin | ram_einstein: It's for me to play with and try and break. Oh, wait, no. |
| 08:56.05 | ktwilight | it's in debian-multimedia.org |
| 08:56.07 | liable | Mastroquet: do you have contrib and non-free/ |
| 08:56.17 | callee | are there already plans what kernel-version etch will have when it's stable |
| 08:56.20 | Mastroquet | liable : yes I do |
| 08:56.24 | liable | ram_einstein: NO IDEA, TRY #DEBIAN-AMD64 |
| 08:56.25 | Maulkin | ram_einstein: Erm... ok. you having a problem with security.debian.org and etch on adm64? |
| 08:56.25 | ram_einstein | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main << doesn't seem okay |
| 08:56.28 | hikikomori | hi |
| 08:56.32 | liable | opps |
| 08:56.38 | liable | capslock :( |
| 08:56.39 | Maulkin | *amd64 |
| 08:56.39 | hikikomori | how can i know the version of my gcc? |
| 08:56.44 | ram_einstein | Maulkin: yes |
| 08:56.50 | djcs | and if anyone could tell me if there is a diff between current unstable and/or etch and how i should have my sources.list setup, appreciate it |
| 08:56.55 | Maulkin | ram_einstein: Yeah, you will do. It's not working. |
| 08:56.59 | deadcat | hikikomori: gcc -v |
| 08:57.04 | ktwilight | doh! i'm completely wrong again Mastroquet. :/ |
| 08:57.23 | ram_einstein | Maulkin: okay, thanks for the info |
| 08:57.30 | Maulkin | ram_einstein: Don't worry though, it's because there aren't any packages in that archive for amd64. As soon as there is, the source will become available. |
| 08:57.51 | ram_einstein | and why do I get "unable to verify package" every time I install something? How do I get rid of it? |
| 08:57.52 | Maulkin | ram_einstein: I don't want to release an advisory and package just to fix it if you see what i mean. |
| 08:58.05 | etchmen | djcs: etch is testing and sid unstable |
| 08:58.13 | Maulkin | ram_einstein: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 08:58.14 | ram_einstein | Maulkin: yes, I understand |
| 08:58.28 | ram_einstein | Maulkin: thanks |
| 08:58.37 | Mastroquet | I have this in /etc/apt/sources.list : deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 08:58.45 | Mastroquet | is this correct ? |
| 08:58.49 | ktwilight | yup |
| 08:58.51 | etchmen | djcs: etch is safe and I only pull in needed packages in from sid |
| 08:59.10 | ktwilight | it's weird that apt-cache policy doesn't say from which url i got numlockx... |
| 08:59.22 | ktwilight | there is an older version in sarge though. |
| 08:59.35 | etchmen | eg: vlc player |
| 08:59.46 | djcs | how do u mean p"pull in extra packages from sid", just shows how much of a newbie i am at this..... |
| 08:59.50 | ram_einstein | etchmen: ah, how do I get vlc player? |
| 08:59.59 | ktwilight | Mastroquet, http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/numlockx/ that's the homepage if ya wanna do it from source |
| 09:00.00 | etchmen | unstable |
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| 09:00.17 | ram_einstein | etchmen: so I have to switch to unstable to get it? |
| 09:00.19 | etchmen | ram_einstein: or sarge lol |
| 09:00.28 | etchmen | but not in etch |
| 09:00.30 | ram_einstein | etchmen: but not on etch? amazing |
| 09:00.40 | etchmen | true |
| 09:00.43 | ram_einstein | etchmen: so I have to modify the sources.list for one download |
| 09:00.51 | etchmen | yes i do |
| 09:01.02 | etchmen | synaptic |
| 09:01.19 | etchmen | he he |
| 09:01.21 | ram_einstein | I just use apt-get and apt-cache all the time |
| 09:01.24 | etchmen | its ok |
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| 09:01.45 | etchmen | ok modify sources |
| 09:02.14 | ram_einstein | :( |
| 09:02.14 | etchmen | vlc works well will bluetooth |
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| 09:02.37 | Borgon | hello |
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| 09:02.48 | etchmen | but no sound through bluetooth ...yet |
| 09:02.53 | Borgon | how can i tell debian apt-get update to find other dl places since i get this error |
| 09:02.55 | Borgon | Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/stable/kernel-image-2.6.6-i386/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 09:03.38 | ram_einstein | Secondly, I'm unable to add nonfree and contrib to this >> deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main << Any idea why? |
| 09:03.53 | ma3x | ram_einstein, are you rammstein fan? |
| 09:03.58 | ram_einstein | ma3x: no |
| 09:04.30 | etchmen | ram_einstein: may need synaptic duh! |
| 09:04.30 | ram_einstein | and where can I get vim!? I searched through the apt-cache but I just can't find it! |
| 09:05.01 | ram_einstein | etchmen: synaptic is a gtk+ gui? |
| 09:05.20 | etchmen | yes,being cheeky |
| 09:05.57 | etchmen | lil gui is ok by me |
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| 09:07.11 | Mastroquet | ktwilight : thanks for the link (sorry I was away making tea ;-)) |
| 09:07.39 | ktwilight | it's ok :) |
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| 09:09.11 | ddman | hi all, could someone help me with an error in gnome network-admin it says 'could not run su' |
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| 09:09.22 | ram_einstein | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? << the question persists despite doing what dpkg (out bot) asked me to |
| 09:09.52 | ram_einstein | I apt-g'ot gnupgp and executed the command dpkg gave me |
| 09:11.12 | hound | ram_einstein, you might need to apt-get update again if you haven't |
| 09:11.25 | ram_einstein | hound: one sec then |
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| 09:12.11 | fireba11 | i just found a sticker on the usb-cable of a microsoft natural keyboard saying "install software first" |
| 09:13.47 | debian | which package gives dos2unix |
| 09:14.33 | debian | I htink it's tofrodos |
| 09:14.42 | streuner_ | heh |
| 09:14.57 | faber3 | my /dev/null does not work any more. how can i get it back? if i try to write to it, permission denied |
| 09:14.59 | streuner_ | dpkg dos2unix |
| 09:15.00 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 09:15.14 | debian | thanks streuner_ |
| 09:15.42 | tralala | faber3: as root? |
| 09:15.52 | faber3 | tralala: yes |
| 09:16.19 | tralala | faber3: do you use a debian kenrel? |
| 09:16.19 | faber3 | i am in a chroot-environment |
| 09:16.32 | liable | ram_einstein: and you only have official sorces? |
| 09:16.39 | faber3 | tralala: well, the running kernel is a knoppix. but outside the chroot /dev/null works |
| 09:16.40 | liable | sources* |
| 09:17.10 | ram_einstein | liable: looks like it |
| 09:17.12 | ram_einstein | yes |
| 09:17.23 | ma3x | hey guys, what do you use as backup medias? |
| 09:17.36 | formorer | harddisks |
| 09:17.42 | tralala | faber3: do you use udev? |
| 09:17.47 | hound | ma3x, dvd-r's mostly. sometimes cd-r's. |
| 09:17.54 | ma3x | I always used DVDRW but now I found that when it's scratched, it's useless |
| 09:17.54 | faber3 | tralala: not that i would know |
| 09:18.03 | ma3x | and dvdrw is so more expensive then the dvdr |
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| 09:18.09 | tralala | faber3: what's the kernel version? |
| 09:18.11 | akulah | hello |
| 09:18.19 | akulah | I have a question |
| 09:18.22 | faber3 | tralala: 2.6.17 |
| 09:18.28 | debian | I have a dream |
| 09:18.29 | ma3x | hound, how much cost dvd-r's in your region? |
| 09:18.41 | ma3x | what's your dream? |
| 09:18.43 | faber3 | tralala: but on another machine with the same kernel, and also in a chroot it works |
| 09:18.52 | hound | ma3x, there's a package called dvddisaster, might help you recover some of those disks. |
| 09:19.02 | akulah | if I want to get involved in debian package maintaining what debia should i use |
| 09:19.03 | akulah | ? |
| 09:19.13 | hound | ma3x, I don't remember, one spindel lasts me a very long time. May have cost me $20 for 50 dvd-rs? |
| 09:19.16 | akulah | sid or etch? |
| 09:19.26 | ma3x | ok |
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| 09:20.30 | tralala | faber3: you do use udev. It's the default as of 2.6.12 or so. In debian it is mounting /dev in the initrd I suggest you to have a look there and try the same mounting in your chroot. Or compare the mountings of the working and the non-working chroots |
| 09:20.38 | ma3x | hey when I finished writing my DVD, I got this error: 2072302 extents written (4047 MB) :-[ WRITE@LBA=1f7fc0h failed with SK=3h/ASC=0Ch/ACQ=08h]: Input/output error :-( write failed: Input/output error |
| 09:20.45 | ma3x | Does it mean some of the files has not been written |
| 09:21.24 | tralala | akulah: /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 09:21.35 | hound | All my old CD-r's seem to just flake apart, I hope that DVD-r's have a better lifespan. |
| 09:21.43 | faber3 | tralala: ah, ok. i have a udevd process running. but how do i mount the udev in the chroot? |
| 09:22.15 | tralala | faber3: I don't know. You'll have to figure out that part on your own. |
| 09:22.17 | hound | ma3x, heh I should have said $20 for a pack of 15. I picked up on the wrong spindel when I was looking for a price tag |
| 09:22.18 | faber3 | tralala: but having a file based /dev/ does undernith would not hurt udev, would it ? |
| 09:22.30 | ram_einstein | faber3: mount -o bind /dev/ /mychroot/path/dev |
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| 09:23.10 | ma3x | hound, that's damn expensive! |
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| 09:23.12 | tralala | faber3: no, but it won't have any benefit either |
| 09:23.22 | masch | Hello |
| 09:23.59 | Borgon | Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Release |
| 09:23.59 | Borgon | Err http://www.backports.org stable/kernel-image-2.6.6-i386 Packages |
| 09:23.59 | Borgon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.59 | Borgon | Ign http://www.bac |
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| 09:24.26 | Borgon | How do u apt-get update to install new packages? |
| 09:24.30 | Borgon | i get 404 error |
| 09:24.36 | elnath | hound: liable: works like a charm :) thank you |
| 09:24.46 | fireba11 | Borgon: use another mirror |
| 09:24.55 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 09:24.57 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 09:25.08 | tarzeau | damn happypenguin.org is down |
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| 09:25.23 | tarzeau | Borgon: try to use an official mirror |
| 09:25.25 | fireba11 | Borgon: or rather use a correct address for backports |
| 09:25.27 | faber3 | tralala: but its still weird. i make a fresh /dev/null and canot write to it. in another installation this works, although there is a udevd running |
| 09:25.48 | ma3x | tarzeau, what's happypenguin for? |
| 09:25.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: game supply |
| 09:26.04 | ma3x | tarzeau, online gaming? |
| 09:26.04 | Borgon | fireba11: how do i set it? am using colinux with a debian image. |
| 09:26.08 | tralala | faber3: I'm sure there is an explanation for that. It's just that I don't know it. |
| 09:26.12 | tarzeau | ma3x: no , download, compile, play |
| 09:26.33 | Borgon | aah in the sourcelist |
| 09:26.34 | Borgon | found it |
| 09:26.34 | fireba11 | Borgon /etc/apt7sources.list |
| 09:26.45 | ma3x | tarzeau, are there some cool games on it? |
| 09:26.51 | faber3 | tralala: i like that answer ... altough it DOESNT help |
| 09:26.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: the cool games already are in debian ;) |
| 09:27.07 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes from time to time (not often) there are good ones there |
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| 09:27.28 | tralala | faber3: I gave you some hints where to look and where the problem could be. They should help. |
| 09:27.37 | ma3x | tarzeau, like what? |
| 09:27.59 | tarzeau | ma3x: brutalchess, dodgindiamond2, don't remember which else i found there |
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| 09:29.12 | ma3x | tarzeau, brutalchess, wow sounds interesting |
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| 09:29.46 | samba-ldap | hi @all |
| 09:29.54 | faber3 | tralala: so the udevd, how is it started? |
| 09:29.55 | samba-ldap | is the talk in german or englisch |
| 09:30.13 | ma3x | samba-ldap, english. try #debian-de |
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| 09:30.43 | liable | .de :) |
| 09:31.13 | samba-ldap | i can talk in english |
| 09:31.19 | samba-ldap | i have a problem |
| 09:31.26 | samba-ldap | i will right an script |
| 09:31.41 | samba-ldap | that automatikly install programms with apt-get |
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| 09:32.20 | samba-ldap | now my problem, the programm, says that i must in put some paramters |
| 09:32.22 | ashfls | cannot login to kdm. .xsession-errors ahve the err msg: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 09:32.23 | fireba11 | samba-ldap try cron-apt for that ... |
| 09:32.29 | samba-ldap | which i can do this automatikly |
| 09:32.43 | fireba11 | samba-ldap: also your english sucks :-) |
| 09:33.04 | ashfls | this happen after an apt-upgrade which upgraded x-window fr 6.9 to 7.0. |
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| 09:35.01 | ashfls | can anyone hlp? |
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| 09:36.18 | hoodlum | im having a hell of a lot of trouble getting my wg311t wireless card to run with debian under the madwifi drivers |
| 09:36.38 | samba-ldap | con-apt can´t help me |
| 09:36.41 | DragonD | I would like to start a website hosting business of sorts, what is a good way to manage (apache)www/(bind)dns/(suggestions)ftp servers? is there a program to do it all? |
| 09:37.15 | samba-ldap | i know, my englisch is poor, but i need help |
| 09:37.38 | samba-ldap | i wont update my system by any time |
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| 09:38.16 | ashfls | samba-ldap: even good english won't guarantee you an answer here.. |
| 09:38.37 | Ronin | ok everyone drop what theyre doing and help ashfls |
| 09:38.39 | samba-ldap | i will start apt-get install slapd and the i wll put some parameters automatikly input between the installation |
| 09:39.25 | ashfls | Ronin: do u have the authority to order people around here? |
| 09:39.27 | streuner_ | 99.99 percent of all people will get answers for debian related problems here, so he has high chance to get help here. |
| 09:39.41 | tarzeau | streuner_: why do you have a _ ? |
| 09:39.46 | azeem | samba-ldap: what kind of parameters? |
| 09:39.52 | Ronin | ashfls: no one does but lesson one is as always be patient when asking a question on irc |
| 09:40.00 | tarzeau | ma3x: also try briquolo |
| 09:40.20 | ashfls | strener99.99? where do u plug that figure fr? |
| 09:40.34 | streuner_ | tarzeau: 24h. disconnection (ISP) and the client just go to the channel where the other IP was still 'ghost' :-) |
| 09:40.37 | samba-ldap | the installer kow me by example "Omit OpenLDAP server configuration?" |
| 09:41.11 | azeem | samba-ldap: you can preseed debconf, so it knows your answers to the configuration questions in advance, if that is what you are asking |
| 09:41.12 | samba-ldap | the i will automatikly give the answer yes, but without anybody must do somthing |
| 09:41.36 | ashfls | ok, i have a simpler problem. how to increase the fontsize of my chat input box? |
| 09:41.46 | azeem | ashfls: that is application-dependent |
| 09:41.47 | Ronin | ashfls: depends on your client |
| 09:42.01 | ashfls | chatzilla |
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| 09:43.00 | samba-ldap | i have configured all paramters in a config file, that i will include in my script |
| 09:43.16 | samba-ldap | an from that values |
| 09:43.34 | samba-ldap | the install must go automatikly without any inputs |
| 09:43.43 | samba-ldap | sorry, for my bad english |
| 09:43.48 | samba-ldap | much sorry |
| 09:43.53 | azeem | samba-ldap: what is your actual question? |
| 09:44.02 | azeem | and there is #debian.de if you prefer to write in german |
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| 09:44.33 | samba-ldap | this was an expresion for my prolem, is all the same problem |
| 09:44.39 | ashfls | samba-ldap: stop apologising for for english. no one can help that here. |
| 09:44.51 | samba-ldap | thanx |
| 09:45.13 | azeem | samba-ldap: as I said, look into debconf preseeding |
| 09:45.18 | ashfls | english or no english, there is just no answer. |
| 09:45.40 | samba-ldap | thanx i read the man from devconf |
| 09:45.43 | azeem | ashfls: huh? |
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| 09:46.06 | ashfls | can u answer my question? |
| 09:46.09 | Ronin | azeem: i think theyre pouting as theydidnt get an answer fast enough |
| 09:46.14 | azeem | ashfls: check your chatzilla documentation, I doubt many people in here who are currently reading along use that program |
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| 09:46.48 | ashfls | azeem: u call that an answer? |
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| 09:47.28 | azeem | ashfls: to get definite answers, get paid support |
| 09:47.33 | ashfls | everybody, GFY. |
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| 09:47.52 | streuner | ashfls: if you aren't able to look into preferences of a app. like mozilla you shouldn't run debian then. |
| 09:48.50 | anabain | hi, I'm having a weird problem for three weeks' time or so: suddenly, my hdd (sata, libata driver) starts to scratch like usually but then it stops (as when you shutdown the computer) and finally the system hangs. I haven't found anything remarkable in the logs (suggestions accepted), and a couple of times I managed to go to real console and see something about I/O errors. Any ideas |
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| 09:50.22 | ma3x | tarzeau, heh, not bad briquolo :p |
| 09:50.27 | blondie | anabain: download the diagnostic program from the manufacturer's website and run it |
| 09:50.40 | larrikin | gcjwebplugin .. is it any good ? |
| 09:50.41 | tarzeau | ma3x: spout is a funny game i should package it... |
| 09:50.47 | tarzeau | ma3x: but i'll patch it with colors |
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| 09:51.23 | ma3x | you have screenshot? |
| 09:51.28 | streuner | anabain: take a look into smartmontools package. |
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| 09:51.49 | anabain | ok, thanx everybody |
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| 09:56.23 | tarzeau | ma3x: http://gpspout.72dpiarmy.com/ |
| 09:56.37 | Borgon | apt-get install mysqld not comingup.. would it be the same as apt-get install mysql-server ? |
| 09:56.41 | nixie | sometimes when I run top, i get "Floating point exception (core dumped)". anyone seen that before? |
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| 09:57.18 | nixie | Borgon: there is no mysqld package. only mysql-server. |
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| 09:58.16 | Borgon | nixie: thankshee |
| 09:59.11 | larrikin | Borgon: apt-cache search mysql |
| 10:00.55 | DragonD | I would like to start a website hosting business of sorts, what is a good way to manage (apache)www/(bind)dns/(suggestions)ftp servers? is there a program to do it all? |
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| 10:01.45 | strk | I'm trying to setup a box as a ppp dialin service, but with no luck so far. I'm going the simple way (minicom, login, manual pppd noauth ip:ip) |
| 10:02.27 | strk | ip-up is invoked |
| 10:02.32 | ma3x | tarzeau, you dont like those colorful 3d games? |
| 10:02.39 | strk | uops... sorry, just seen it worked |
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| 10:03.37 | soundray | What's the command to get a full filename with path? Ie. I do 'cd $HOME/Desktop ; command t.svg' and command returns /home/soundray/Desktop/t.svg ? |
| 10:03.54 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes i do, but most games are just 3d to be just 3d and the gameplay sucks |
| 10:04.12 | tarzeau | ma3x: especially games that were developped exclusively on linux |
| 10:04.12 | tarzeau | ma3x: there's some kickass 3d games on ps1 |
| 10:04.13 | azeem | soundray: realpath, maybe |
| 10:04.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: and another bunch on windows |
| 10:04.28 | tarzeau | ma3x: those that are nice on linux, also run on windows |
| 10:04.29 | ma3x | tarzeau, right! that's what i was talking about |
| 10:04.36 | ma3x | those games are never available on linux |
| 10:04.52 | liable | bub'n'bros? |
| 10:04.52 | tarzeau | ma3x: there's not a single good bomberman clone for linux (all existing ones are just miserable) |
| 10:05.00 | tarzeau | liable: it was developped on windows |
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| 10:05.10 | redblades | Hey hey |
| 10:05.10 | tarzeau | liable: and it's not packaged for debian, still |
| 10:05.13 | liable | oh :( |
| 10:05.20 | redblades | I need some help with a USB stick |
| 10:05.26 | soundray | azeem: that works like a charm, thank you! |
| 10:05.26 | liable | tarzeau: why havent you packaged it? |
| 10:05.31 | tarzeau | liable: it's python |
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| 10:05.35 | liable | so? |
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| 10:05.39 | redblades | Basically, I need to format it a vfat (is that the default?) |
| 10:05.49 | tarzeau | liable: debian has a strict policy on how to package python software |
| 10:05.49 | redblades | I accidentally let windows format it |
| 10:05.49 | streuner | yes |
| 10:05.57 | streuner | redblades: dosfstools |
| 10:05.59 | liable | tarzeau: oh. |
| 10:06.06 | tarzeau | liable: and if you want your software to be really portable, you can't do it like debian wants it |
| 10:06.09 | redblades | streuner, ?? |
| 10:06.17 | streuner | !find /bin/mkfs.vfat |
| 10:06.23 | tarzeau | liable: some systems don't split their files across every directory on the system |
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| 10:06.41 | simonrvn | /sbin |
| 10:06.45 | streuner | !find /sbin/mkfs.vfat |
| 10:06.45 | liable | tarzeau: but, whats that got to do with making a deb? |
| 10:06.46 | tarzeau | liable: that's only for old-style unix kinda systems |
| 10:07.01 | tarzeau | liable: modern unix systems, like openstep and mac os x, have it all nicely in a directory |
| 10:07.05 | simonrvn | and do sbin/ not /sbin/ it'll find stuff in /usr then, too |
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| 10:07.10 | tarzeau | liable: just like windows tries to do it these days |
| 10:07.19 | streuner | anyway, redblades install dosfstools and format it new |
| 10:07.32 | tarzeau | liable: want to have fun fixing paths in alot of source files, python? not so me |
| 10:07.41 | redblades | okay, could you help me with that? I have some other issues as well |
| 10:07.43 | simonrvn | also, i think the Packages files have stuff like "usr/..." and not "/usr/..." |
| 10:07.51 | tarzeau | liable: if it was C or objective-c, c++, i'd do it. but with python, just no thank you |
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| 10:07.55 | liable | tarzeau: sorry i mentioned it :P |
| 10:08.03 | simonrvn | (i could be wrong about the last bit) |
| 10:08.26 | azeem | simonrvn: you mean tha data tarballs in the .deb? |
| 10:08.39 | streuner | dosfstools: sbin/mkfs.vfat |
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| 10:08.49 | simonrvn | no, more like the file list files |
| 10:08.53 | Arafangion | tarzeau: What's wrong with python? |
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| 10:09.01 | simonrvn | sec, i'll show you what i mean |
| 10:09.11 | tarzeau | Arafangion: nothing i guess, it's just not something i need |
| 10:09.20 | tarzeau | Arafangion: upgrades maybe? |
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| 10:09.24 | streuner | redblades: should we look into our crystal-thingie or do you give us the other issue? ;-) |
| 10:09.25 | Arafangion | tarzeau: What is the discussion? |
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| 10:09.28 | redblades | streuner, Look, I really am not sure what you are telling me to do, andit's urgent |
| 10:09.35 | simonrvn | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libicu34.list |
| 10:09.55 | streuner | redblades: you told us, there are some other issue... |
| 10:09.56 | simonrvn | .... /usr/lib/libicudata.so.34.1\n/usr/lib/libicui18n.so.34.1\n/usr/lib/libicuio.so.34.1 .... |
| 10:10.01 | tarzeau | Arafangion: a game that is written in python, and has all its files in a directory, no install target in the makefile |
| 10:10.03 | redblades | streuner, my other issue depends on the out come of this. |
| 10:10.06 | simonrvn | ok, it does have / |
| 10:10.11 | tarzeau | Arafangion: #bub-n-bros http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 10:10.21 | tarzeau | Arafangion: you make debian packages? |
| 10:10.21 | simonrvn | but is that the same as the Packages files? |
| 10:10.33 | Arafangion | tarzeau: No, but I'm very much a fan of Python (and most languages, actually). |
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| 10:10.47 | streuner | redblades: so whats that hard to run 'mkfs.vfat /dev/<device>? |
| 10:10.50 | junir | Im trying to get ndiswrapper setup so I can use wireless on the laptop. The card is a mini pci card. I have installed ndiswrapper etc and loaded the inf file. ndiswrapper -l says driver is installed but no mention of hardware being present. lspci reveals the card but I think the problem maybe that there is no entry in /dev for the card |
| 10:10.53 | redblades | streuner, the issue involves a debian installation |
| 10:10.57 | junir | what can I do? |
| 10:11.00 | tarzeau | Arafangion: don't worry we won't burn python on a fire |
| 10:11.06 | redblades | streuner, I have no idea which device it is |
| 10:11.13 | tarzeau | .oO( language police ) |
| 10:11.27 | streuner | redblades: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 10:11.42 | Arafangion | tarzeau: But, imho, my immediate reaction is that the python program should be placed in lib, and have a tiny sh script execute the python file from bin |
| 10:11.44 | simonrvn | meh, i'm full of it |
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| 10:12.03 | tarzeau | Arafangion: no that's not what debian accepts |
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| 10:12.13 | tarzeau | Arafangion: www.debian.org/devel see the python packaging policy |
| 10:12.18 | Arafangion | tarzeau: Probably not :) |
| 10:12.24 | stew | tarzeau: it isn't? |
| 10:12.29 | tarzeau | stew: not afaik |
| 10:12.31 | junir | How can I create the dev entry or it? |
| 10:12.34 | stew | it is afaik |
| 10:12.40 | tarzeau | stew: show me an example package |
| 10:12.55 | redblades | streuner, which bit is the impotant part? |
| 10:13.05 | redblades | heh. important |
| 10:13.49 | Arafangion | tarzeau: Hmm, actually debian's policy on python makes sense, make everything except hte "main" script be a python module, and install that as any other python package. |
| 10:13.53 | tarzeau | stew: it's not allowed for gnustep software, why should it be allowed for python software? |
| 10:13.54 | stew | tarzeau: scons |
| 10:14.12 | tarzeau | stew: do you have another example? |
| 10:14.15 | stew | tarzeau: bittornado |
| 10:14.19 | Arafangion | tarzeau: And put the resources and the other components in where the FHS suggests, (is that /usr/share ?). |
| 10:14.46 | tarzeau | Arafangion: have fun fixing the paths... |
| 10:15.01 | ma3x | hey tarzeau ! when I write filenames with umlaut with k3b, it says input/output error. what can i do? |
| 10:15.04 | Arafangion | tarzeau: Heh. |
| 10:15.09 | tarzeau | ma3x: hahahah |
| 10:15.09 | superlinux | I am using (htmldoc) for php and for pdf-on-the-fly creation and I want arabic language support but (htmldoc) is showing the arabic as latin and I forced the arabic encoding within it. |
| 10:15.16 | tarzeau | ma3x: DONT USE FUCKING UMLAUTS IN FILENAMES |
| 10:15.28 | superlinux | so who knows a better solution |
| 10:15.28 | tarzeau | and WTF do you ask me gnome/kde stuff? #debian-kde |
| 10:15.29 | Arafangion | tarzeau: You could also put it in /opt |
| 10:15.48 | ma3x | tarzeau, why not? |
| 10:15.48 | tarzeau | Arafangion: no, debian doesn't touch /opt nor /usr/local EVER |
| 10:16.01 | Arafangion | tarzeau: Debian just makes things difficult for themselves. |
| 10:16.05 | tarzeau | ma3x: see your question above |
| 10:16.07 | nixie | !beer tarzeau |
| 10:16.17 | tarzeau | Arafangion: i agree they don't touch /opt and /usr/local |
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| 10:16.28 | tarzeau | Arafangion: but i dislike the FHS |
| 10:16.43 | SNOW_FOX | howdy all |
| 10:16.45 | Arafangion | tarzeau: I quite like the FHS. |
| 10:17.16 | Arafangion | tarzeau: In the case you have described, /opt/packagename is the perfectly logical place to put it. |
| 10:17.20 | tarzeau | Arafangion: you quite like everything |
| 10:17.24 | SNOW_FOX | does anyone here know much about Apache and php4 ? |
| 10:17.36 | tarzeau | Arafangion: i'm alot more picky than you |
| 10:17.39 | redblades | php5 is out |
| 10:17.54 | SNOW_FOX | for how long? |
| 10:17.55 | Arafangion | tarzeau: You'd be surprised how picky I can be :) |
| 10:17.55 | tarzeau | Arafangion: you'll not bitch about things, i will bitch around |
| 10:17.55 | redblades | And what specifically? |
| 10:18.18 | tarzeau | Arafangion: you like most languages, you like FHS yet you are surprised debian makes their life hard. i don't get you |
| 10:18.25 | redblades | streuner, which bit of the output is important? |
| 10:18.33 | tarzeau | Arafangion: do you like kangoroos? koalas? |
| 10:18.35 | redblades | SNOW_FOX, ages |
| 10:19.00 | liable | tarzeau: they are very cuddly, who doesnt? |
| 10:19.05 | tarzeau | liable: on a grill |
| 10:19.05 | SNOW_FOX | well i am a n00b at linux and i need a hand installing php mod on apache. |
| 10:19.28 | streuner | redblades: just run mkfs.vfat /dev/sd(x) -- you get the part for 'sd(x)' with cat /proc/scsi/scsi or via dmesg |
| 10:19.29 | liable | tarzeau: kangaroo is ok, koala is protected species.. |
| 10:19.52 | fhffhqvb | dingos? |
| 10:19.53 | streuner | redblades: if you have an entry in /etc/fstab just take a look there... |
| 10:20.03 | Arafangion | tarzeau: All australians like 'em. |
| 10:20.11 | stew | SNOW_FOX: what exactly is the problem you are having? |
| 10:20.18 | liable | they are fair game, but who eats dog? |
| 10:21.08 | Arafangion | liable: Dog is perfectly edible. |
| 10:21.19 | tarzeau | never eat your pets in nethack! |
| 10:21.24 | ma3x | tarzeau, is it possible to correct with one command all those uncorrectly encoded filenames? |
| 10:21.33 | Arafangion | tarzeau: Why not? I do it all the time... |
| 10:21.35 | tarzeau | ma3x: sure, check out rename |
| 10:21.45 | tarzeau | Arafangion: you eat ponies? cats and dogs? |
| 10:22.23 | Arafangion | tarzeau: I KILL ponies. |
| 10:22.30 | Arafangion | tarzeau: And I adore cats. |
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| 10:23.08 | ma3x | tarzeau, seems complicated |
| 10:25.03 | SNOW_FOX | well i installed php4 and all...but i am not sure if it worked...is there a way to find out? coz there is a file called index.php that i droped in to /var/www/ but every time i hit the page my browser keeps trying to download the file instead of running it....like i said im a n00b at this.. |
| 10:25.58 | Shadur | SNOW_FOX: How did you install php4, which version of apache are you running, and did you enable it at all? |
| 10:26.08 | streuner | SNOW_FOX: /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian |
| 10:26.25 | Borgon | Shadur: i just finished insatlling php4 |
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| 10:27.15 | Borgon | SNOW_FOX: edit ur apache.conf addtype |
| 10:27.25 | Borgon | Snow-Man: u need to enable .php in apache.conf |
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| 10:27.52 | SNOW_FOX | it is apache 1.3 and i used apt-get install.... and used only the packages that come on the debian sarge DVD's |
| 10:27.54 | Borgon | dont forget to reload apache or else it wont change |
| 10:28.00 | redblades | streuner, this is ridiculous! now it says "it's busy" |
| 10:28.10 | Borgon | SNOW_FOX: u have to make modifications ot the apache.conf |
| 10:28.18 | SNOW_FOX | Borgon i'm pretty sure i did that.... |
| 10:28.50 | streuner | redblades: fine :-) |
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| 10:29.22 | redblades | streuner, thanks for getting it working though |
| 10:29.24 | streuner | redblades: just run mount, it should tell if the kernel lies to you :-) |
| 10:29.24 | Borgon | SNOW_FOX: well i had the .php downloading.. i modified apache.conf addtype handlers and it worked |
| 10:29.30 | streuner | redblades: np |
| 10:29.36 | qwertz | Hi, when I use "chmod g+s dir" it doesn't set sgid bit - am I doing something wrong? |
| 10:30.10 | SNOW_FOX | hmmm maybe i did it wrong...you jsut have to uncomment the addtype dont you?? |
| 10:30.12 | redblades | streuner, it's says it really is busy |
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| 10:31.11 | redblades | Okay, now, I'm going to install a new system, either Debian,or Ubuntu 6.06 |
| 10:31.32 | redblades | streuner, what will I need to enable auto-mount in Debian? |
| 10:31.47 | ma3x | how can I strip all "?" chracters from a filename? |
| 10:31.55 | redblades | The delete button |
| 10:32.02 | Borgon | SNOW_FOX: yeah uncomment |
| 10:32.31 | SNOW_FOX | thanx |
| 10:33.33 | ma3x | rename 's/\?$//' * |
| 10:33.34 | ma3x | that doesnt work |
| 10:33.36 | ma3x | why not |
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| 10:35.12 | streuner | redblades: autofs |
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| 10:36.35 | redblades | Cool thanks |
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| 10:37.25 | redblades | streuner, is there anyway to force an unmount? |
| 10:37.46 | redblades | or, see what is using it? |
| 10:37.50 | jonathaN | ma3x: with that "$" you will only strip "?" from the *end* of filenames |
| 10:38.01 | streuner | redblades: are you still the folder of the USB-Stick? |
| 10:38.12 | redblades | No |
| 10:38.18 | redblades | i'm not retarded |
| 10:38.18 | Arafangion | !grab streuner |
| 10:38.20 | redblades | : ) |
| 10:38.26 | ma3x | jonathaN, , okay thanks |
| 10:38.37 | redblades | Arafangion, what was that supposed to do? |
| 10:38.43 | streuner | redblades: did you start some app. there? |
| 10:38.51 | redblades | mkdir |
| 10:38.53 | redblades | : ) |
| 10:38.56 | Arafangion | redblades: Forgot that this channel doesn't have a cylon. |
| 10:39.08 | redblades | cylon? |
| 10:39.19 | redblades | What is that? |
| 10:39.20 | DaBlade | Is there a way to change cups so I can configure it as user, rather than having to log in as root every time I wanna change something? |
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| 10:39.23 | Arafangion | redblades: ##c++ has cylon, which grabs quites, and spits them out when people go !rq streuner |
| 10:39.35 | Arafangion | DaBlade: Yes, see /etc/cups/cupsd.conf (or similar. |
| 10:39.42 | DaBlade | k |
| 10:40.06 | redblades | quites? ... quotes, do you mean? |
| 10:40.23 | Arafangion | *quotes, indeed. |
| 10:40.44 | redblades | okay, how do I check which processes are running? |
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| 10:41.12 | ma3x | jonathaN, rename 's/\?//' * that doesnt work too |
| 10:41.26 | Arafangion | redblades: ps aux | less |
| 10:42.05 | ma3x | jonathaN, it doesnt work for directories |
| 10:42.25 | jonathaN | ma3x: that should remove only the *first* "?", to remove them all you'll need a "g" (global) at the end: 's/\?//g' |
| 10:43.17 | ma3x | jonathaN, rename 's/\?//g' * that still doesnt strip the ? from filename |
| 10:43.28 | streuner | redblades: fuser -m <mountpoint> |
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| 10:44.24 | jonathaN | ma3x: it works for me |
| 10:45.46 | jonathaN | it could be the case that what you're seeing are not actual "?" characters, but certain special characters that 'ls' or whatever is displaying as "?" ? |
| 10:46.31 | redblades | Thanks |
| 10:47.03 | DragonD | why doesn't webmin work with apache2? |
| 10:47.16 | fhffhqvb | !webmin |
| 10:47.16 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 10:47.49 | DragonD | fhffhqvb: what else is there? |
| 10:47.57 | fhffhqvb | DragonD: bunnies. |
| 10:48.01 | DragonD | funny |
| 10:48.08 | fhffhqvb | !tell DragonD about bunnies |
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| 10:48.33 | DragonD | contacts? really? |
| 10:48.38 | fhffhqvb | yes. |
| 10:48.49 | DragonD | fhffhqvb: bu seriosly... what else would you use? |
| 10:48.57 | fhffhqvb | DragonD: ssh? |
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| 10:49.33 | redblades | Good evening Seattle |
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| 10:49.42 | DragonD | fhffhqvb: i was hoping for something a little easier, i have admins that aren't so good at linux commands. |
| 10:50.02 | fhffhqvb | DragonD: ssh is great for executing linux commands. shoot the admins. |
| 10:50.05 | yeager | admins who aren't good with commands? then they aren't admins |
| 10:50.08 | DragonD | lol |
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| 10:50.52 | redblades | Sorry, I forgot, I had another issue |
| 10:51.22 | fhffhqvb | redblades: muskrats in your basement? |
| 10:51.45 | DragonD | maybe i'll write my own client/server to do it then. apache2 uses a different config file for each website configured well at least debian does. so that won't be too hard it just all the others ftp and dns... |
| 10:51.53 | redblades | When I am installing Debian, how do I utilize my second harddrive? |
| 10:51.54 | fhffhqvb | !tell DragonD about search |
| 10:52.26 | fhffhqvb | redblades: mount it? |
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| 10:52.31 | ram_einstein | X: unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 10:52.31 | ram_einstein | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 10:52.41 | ram_einstein | what do I need to run X as a normal user? |
| 10:52.50 | ram_einstein | do I need to add him to some group or something? |
| 10:52.50 | DragonD | fhffhqvb: search? for what???? |
| 10:52.59 | fhffhqvb | DragonD: whatever you need. |
| 10:53.06 | DragonD | well no shit |
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| 10:53.36 | redblades | fhffhqvb, duh. how? |
| 10:53.48 | redblades | HOW?!?!?! HOW ?!?!?! |
| 10:53.49 | ram_einstein | remote admin? what do you need to do? |
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| 10:54.01 | fhffhqvb | !fist redblades |
| 10:54.08 | redblades | Ouch |
| 10:54.11 | ram_einstein | !beer redblades |
| 10:54.17 | fhffhqvb | !bear redblades |
| 10:54.27 | redblades | Aww thanks |
| 10:54.31 | redblades | AGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:54.46 | fhffhqvb | bear is not quite beer. |
| 10:55.00 | ram_einstein | what's with dpkg? "dpkg watches *a* angry..." << who made dpkg? |
| 10:55.20 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 10:55.20 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 10:55.44 | streuner | xk did |
| 10:56.10 | DragonD | dpkg, what is blootbot? |
| 10:56.11 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, DragonD |
| 10:56.27 | DragonD | dpkg, blootbot? |
| 10:56.27 | streuner | DragonD: /msg dpkg blootbot |
| 10:56.28 | dpkg | from memory, blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 10:56.38 | DragonD | ahhh |
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| 10:57.49 | ukasz | hi |
| 10:57.58 | ukasz | i have problem with iptables + imq |
| 10:58.16 | ukasz | i have compiled kernel with imq support |
| 10:58.39 | ukasz | but iptables doesn't want to work with imq |
| 10:58.51 | prxq | Hi. How do I change the language of the debian installation? I'm getting all error messages in german (i'd prefer them in english) |
| 10:58.51 | ukasz | it says unknown argument --todev |
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| 11:00.12 | fhffhqvb | prxq: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:00.18 | fhffhqvb | prxq: also SET LANG |
| 11:01.22 | prxq | fhffhqvb: indeed. Thanks |
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| 11:04.06 | ram_einstein | why can't a user apart from root startx? |
| 11:04.15 | ram_einstein | X: unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 11:04.16 | ram_einstein | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
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| 11:05.50 | Octavian | howdy |
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| 11:06.13 | rohan | suppose i have both debian and a debian based distro (ubuntu in this case) installed, how do i setup grub that both the distro's kernels are identified and updated automatically ? right now i am setting one distros grub outside the debconf area and updating it manually . .any more elegant solution ? |
| 11:06.29 | Octavian | I am using debian stable and have a prob using 'discover' with recent kernels |
| 11:06.53 | Octavian | I am suffering from the mpt fusion driver split: mkinitrd wont load the approriate kernel module |
| 11:07.13 | Octavian | how can I teach 'discover' the new modules? simply rebuilding against the new kernel sources? |
| 11:07.16 | Shadur | rohan: Not. debian's update_grub looks in /boot/ for vmlinuz* to automagically generate a list of kernels. If the ubuntu kernels aren't there, you're SOL. |
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| 11:07.57 | Shadur | Also, update-grub doesn't really allow for two different sets of additional parameters the way you'd need to "easily" dual between the two. |
| 11:08.21 | rohan | Shadur: so what i do now is the best way out, yes ? |
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| 11:09.39 | rohan | Shadur: or i put both debian and ubuntu kernels in /boot ? |
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| 11:13.20 | redblades | He he he dpkg is awesome |
| 11:13.50 | ram_einstein | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
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| 11:14.01 | ram_einstein | as user |
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| 11:15.43 | stew | ram_einstein: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common ; choose "console users" |
| 11:16.08 | stew | !xwrapper.config |
| 11:16.08 | dpkg | if you get the error "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.", run "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" and select "console users". There was a bug in the maintainer scripts for x11-common which was fixed in version 7.0.21 (currently in unstable) |
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| 11:16.48 | ram_einstein | stew: thanks! |
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| 11:18.17 | ram_einstein | also, my audio doesn't work. I installed alsa-utils, udev, discover and rebooted. There just seems to be no sound output |
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| 11:25.38 | s-ndh-c | hi people |
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| 11:25.59 | s-ndh-c | is there netdump for debian? |
| 11:26.14 | s-ndh-c | i cant find any debian package with that name |
| 11:26.49 | liable | tcpdump? ethereal? |
| 11:27.43 | s-ndh-c | no |
| 11:28.18 | s-ndh-c | netdump is to send memory dumps to a server if the kernel panics |
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| 11:28.39 | s-ndh-c | i think it is a kernel module |
| 11:28.40 | rohan | can someone please confirm this bug for me , on debian sid ? http://bugs.debian.org/369965 |
| 11:29.15 | rohan | its annoying and suddenly cropped up one fine day without any warning :S |
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| 11:34.50 | lehel | hello |
| 11:35.00 | lehel | modprobe fuse |
| 11:35.01 | lehel | FATAL: Module fuse not found. |
| 11:35.25 | lehel | do i need to recompile the kernel? |
| 11:35.52 | lehel | [2.6.8-3-686-smp] |
| 11:36.01 | streuner | what does 'cat /proc/version |
| 11:36.03 | streuner | say? |
| 11:36.06 | MoDaX | rohan: I cannot confirm it. at least I haven't noticed anything similar |
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| 11:36.20 | rohan | MoDaX: awww |
| 11:36.23 | rohan | what do i do now :S |
| 11:36.30 | streuner | lehel: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:36.35 | rohan | where does the initrd 'get' its /dev/null from ? |
| 11:36.35 | tralala | lehel: /msg dpkg fuse |
| 11:37.00 | lehel | streuner: libc6 2.3.6-7 |
| 11:37.02 | stew | lehel: you need a newer kernel. you can install 2.6.16 from backports: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 11:37.08 | stew | lehel: oh nm |
| 11:37.28 | stew | lehel: i figured you were on stable, but you are on testing, /msg dpkg etch upgrdae kernel |
| 11:37.54 | stew | ^upgrdae^upgrade |
| 11:38.21 | ram_einstein | how do I get vlc from testing without editing sources.list by hand? |
| 11:38.36 | stew | ram_einstein: you are running stable? |
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| 11:38.44 | ram_einstein | stew: no, etch |
| 11:38.53 | stew | ram_einstein: apt-get install vlc |
| 11:38.58 | ram_einstein | etch doesn't have vlc appararently |
| 11:39.48 | stew | ram_einstein: then you either wait or you install it from sid. if you don't want to edit sources.list you have to download it and its dependencies by hand and run dpkg -i |
| 11:39.55 | MoDaX | rohan: seems more like / or /dev is mounted read-only. fsck / |
| 11:40.21 | rohan | MoDaX: but all the errors are coming from within the initrd |
| 11:40.31 | ram_einstein | stew: okay, that basically means that editing sources.list is a good way |
| 11:40.46 | stew | ram_einstein: /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix |
| 11:41.28 | stew | ram_einstein: or you wait for it to get back into testing: /msg dpkg why is vlc not in testing |
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| 11:42.24 | lehel | stew: i'll try to compile myself the fuse package |
| 11:42.44 | ram_einstein | stew: yeah, thanks for the resources |
| 11:43.13 | stew | lehel: huh? its a kernel module. its not in your kernel. why don't you install the current kernel which has it? |
| 11:43.18 | MoDaX | rohan: switching root is the message from initrd |
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| 11:43.23 | MoDaX | the last* |
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| 11:47.42 | rohan | MoDaX: so the best option atm is fsck / ? |
| 11:47.44 | rohan | from a live cd ? |
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| 11:49.10 | MoDaX | rohan: touch /forcefsck && reboot |
| 11:49.50 | rohan | wow i didnt know that ! |
| 11:49.51 | rohan | thanks ! |
| 11:49.52 | rohan | :)) |
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| 11:53.12 | MoDaX | rohan: btw, what entry for / do you have in fstab? |
| 11:53.12 | rohan | forefsck solves the problems found during fsck aswell ? where can i read more on it ? |
| 11:53.31 | lehel | stew: fuse is done.. my problem is to write to a mounted ntfs drive |
| 11:53.45 | rohan | MoDaX: /dev/hdc1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 11:54.03 | MoDaX | rohan: seems fine |
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| 11:54.19 | rohan | yes, its the debian default |
| 11:54.20 | liable | maroons win! |
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| 11:55.08 | MoDaX | rohan: don't where forcefsck is documented. I found it once while analyzing /etc/init.d/ scripts :) |
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| 11:55.34 | rohan | great find :) |
| 11:55.43 | Neeesat25 | hello to all |
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| 11:55.48 | novata_peleona | hi.... |
| 11:56.13 | Neeesat25 | I get connection refuse on port 22 when I try to ssh in my debian box. Any idea how to fix this? |
| 11:56.14 | novata_peleona | which command must i use for uncompress a windows file.zip?? |
| 11:56.14 | MoDaX | rohan: |
| 11:56.14 | MoDaX | # Set FSCKFIX to "yes" if you want to add "-y" to the fsck at startup. |
| 11:56.14 | MoDaX | FSCKFIX=yes |
| 11:56.28 | MoDaX | rohan: that's from /etc/default/rcS |
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| 11:58.54 | stew | Maulkin: i think ChanServ is already taking care of that |
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| 11:59.23 | Maulkin | Ahh, ok :) |
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| 12:00.13 | stew | Maulkin: oh wait, ENETWORK |
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| 12:00.44 | Neeesat25 | Is it mean that my sshd is using other port than port 22? |
| 12:01.13 | Neeesat25 | or port 22 is closed? |
| 12:01.27 | stew | !connection refused |
| 12:01.27 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 12:01.44 | stew | Neeesat25: either sshd isn't running, or its firewalled |
| 12:02.08 | lehel | Captive-ERROR **: captive_rtl_file_mmap("/var/lib/captive/ntfs.sys"): open: No such file or directory |
| 12:02.19 | lehel | "ntfs.sys" ? |
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| 12:02.48 | pipeline | lehel: Captive NTFS loads a Windows NT kernel driver. |
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| 12:02.53 | pipeline | lehel: You don't have it. |
| 12:02.54 | jsz | what should I install on a 166? |
| 12:02.58 | Neeesat25 | When I try to do ssh start I get: ssh: start: Name or service not known |
| 12:03.16 | lehel | pipeline: wherefrom to get? |
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| 12:03.54 | Neeesat25 | How I can see if ssh is running? |
| 12:04.00 | tralala | Neeesat25: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 12:04.01 | stew | Neeesat25: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 12:04.16 | rohan | gotta reboot .. lets hope it works MoDaX :) |
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| 12:05.30 | mate` | hi |
| 12:06.02 | tralala | !greet mate` |
| 12:06.02 | dpkg | Wassup, mate` |
| 12:06.31 | Neeesat25 | hmm I got: Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd/var/run/sshd must be owned by root and not group or world-writable. |
| 12:06.34 | mate` | :) |
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| 12:07.51 | softwork | sendmail have a problem in apt-get |
| 12:07.52 | tralala | Neeesat25: did you play with the file permisstions in var? |
| 12:08.09 | tralala | Neeesat25: do you run sarge? |
| 12:08.25 | softwork | apt-get install sendmail have a problem it dependencies |
| 12:08.31 | softwork | :/ |
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| 12:08.38 | Neeesat25 | yes I run sarge |
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| 12:09.27 | DragonD | what would you suggest for SMTP/POP3 daemons? |
| 12:09.30 | MoDaX | Neeesat25: rm /var/run/sshd && invoke-rc.d ssh restart |
| 12:09.44 | tralala | Neeesat25: so how come /var/run/sshd has wrong permissions? |
| 12:09.46 | raf256 | removing of: kdelibs-bin kudzu server-common libglu1-xorg-dbg will stop my KDE/opengl/X applications from working or not? |
| 12:09.50 | tralala | MoDaX: it's a dir |
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| 12:10.32 | MoDaX | rm -rf then |
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| 12:10.50 | tralala | I'm not so sure about that |
| 12:10.56 | rohan | MoDaX: didnt work |
| 12:11.16 | rohan | MoDaX: but if you are sure that it is not an initrd problem, then i have filed the bug in the wrong place |
| 12:11.35 | MoDaX | Neeesat25: better yet; invoke-rc.d ssh stop; rm -rf /var/run/sshd; aptitude reinstall ssh; |
| 12:11.40 | rohan | MoDaX: and whats more, the errors dont occur using mkinitramfs .. |
| 12:15.23 | rohan | but mkinitramfs tries to load battery and fan module, which it wrongly detects, since this is a desktop pc and not a laptop |
| 12:16.41 | Neeesat25 | The problem is that root was not the owner of /var/run/sshd |
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| 12:17.06 | Neeesat25 | I remove sshd directory and recreate it after that was fixed |
| 12:17.15 | Neeesat25 | Thanks guys |
| 12:17.18 | tralala | Neeesat25: this makes me wonder what else is wrong with this system |
| 12:18.39 | Neeesat25 | I am not going well with permissions |
| 12:19.06 | rohan | how can i have a module foo blacklisted in mkinitramfs ? |
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| 12:20.17 | Neeesat25 | see ya later |
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| 12:21.48 | MoDaX | rohan: for how long those error messages stay on the screen? |
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| 12:24.04 | SeicherlBoB | hi there. just found out my ntp server wont start up. ps -aux is not having an entry and the syslogging stops after "kernel time sync status 0040" without saying "starting ntpd succeeded". any suggestions what might cause that error? |
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| 12:24.13 | lehel | where i could find that ntfs.sys? |
| 12:24.26 | usual | Gnea: ping |
| 12:24.29 | MoDaX | lehel: windows install |
| 12:24.36 | tralala | lehel: in windows |
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| 12:25.49 | MoDaX | SeicherlBoB: is your system clock accurate enough (< +- 1000 seconds)? |
| 12:26.17 | usual | I am trying to install debian on an HP DL140 G2. My problem is I need to install the non-free broadcom nic drivers to get networking going. If I install stable, it doesn't see the raid controller. If I use a daily installer it see's the raid controller but the nic's don't work so I can't do a network install. What are my other options? |
| 12:26.30 | SeicherlBoB | MoDaX: yeah. synced it manually with ntpdate |
| 12:26.36 | SeicherlBoB | my syslog: http://pastebin.com/708344 |
| 12:26.44 | lehel | MoDaX, tralala: that is necessarry to captive-ntfs, right? so i just get from a win-install that file, and copy to /var/lib/captive ? |
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| 12:27.18 | SeicherlBoB | MoDaX: first time i started it up, it said, that it wasnt acurate enough. then i set it and now it wont work. |
| 12:27.24 | tralala | lehel: why don't you read the captiventfs docs instead? |
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| 12:28.17 | MoDaX | SeicherlBoB: any file in /var/lib/ntp ? if so, rm it and restart ntp |
| 12:28.18 | SeicherlBoB | MoDaX: and my "ps aux" isnt showing anything like "ntpd" |
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| 12:28.51 | SeicherlBoB | MoDaX: nope. all empty |
| 12:30.38 | SeicherlBoB | MoDaX: thats all info i can find: http://pastebin.com/708351 |
| 12:31.22 | SeicherlBoB | first is syslog, second the /var/lib/ntp, third is ps aux |
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| 12:31.27 | yage | someone knows if there is any way to use heartbeat to use scsi (a quorum disc) instead of serial/udp/tcp link? |
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| 12:32.45 | rohan | MoDaX: they just scroll by |
| 12:33.16 | rohan | MoDaX: they remain on screen but do not slow down the boot process |
| 12:33.42 | MoDaX | SeicherlBoB: run /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -u 104:109 -n -D 1000 |
| 12:33.59 | MoDaX | see what happens |
| 12:34.07 | MoDaX | lower debug level if needed |
| 12:34.08 | SeicherlBoB | MoDaX: what would that do? i dont like running stuff i dont understand |
| 12:34.44 | MoDaX | SeicherlBoB: will run ntpd in foreground with high debug level |
| 12:34.47 | SeicherlBoB | MoDaX: ah, that would create a pid-file and whats the -u 104-stuff |
| 12:34.54 | SeicherlBoB | MoDaX: ah! |
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| 12:35.17 | MoDaX | SeicherlBoB: system user 'ntp' uid |
| 12:35.26 | SeicherlBoB | ntpd not compiled with -DDEBUG option - no DEBUG support |
| 12:35.43 | MoDaX | SeicherlBoB: ok, run without -D then |
| 12:35.50 | MoDaX | :) |
| 12:36.28 | SeicherlBoB | MoDaX: he wont take the "-n" aswell |
| 12:37.18 | SeicherlBoB | and after execution, its the same as with init.d/ntp-server start |
| 12:37.20 | MoDaX | SeicherlBoB: are you executing command as root? |
| 12:37.27 | SeicherlBoB | MoDaX: yep |
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| 12:38.40 | MoDaX | SeicherlBoB: so it won't accept -n ? |
| 12:38.44 | SeicherlBoB | nope |
| 12:38.53 | SeicherlBoB | gives me the usage-info |
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| 12:39.07 | MoDaX | SeicherlBoB: stable/unstable/testing? |
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| 12:39.16 | SeicherlBoB | stable |
| 12:39.43 | SeicherlBoB | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 12:40.20 | MoDaX | SeicherlBoB: /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -u 104:109 -n (without -D 1000 ) |
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| 12:40.33 | Tonnerre | Salut |
| 12:40.36 | MoDaX | can't be it does not accept |
| 12:40.48 | SeicherlBoB | usage.... |
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| 12:41.17 | SeicherlBoB | and there is no option for "-n" |
| 12:42.11 | SeicherlBoB | MoDaX: ok man, gotta leave. thanks anyway, i will reboot the system and see if that helps. i'll come here again, if i cant find a solution tonight. |
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| 12:44.08 | junir | I have set up ndis as far as modprobe, when I run this is wont create the wireless device. dmesg reveals that the driver cannot be prepared. ndiswrapper -l reveals the driver is installed and the hardware is present. |
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| 12:44.57 | junir | I am now assuming that the driver may not work with ndis, what else can I do? |
| 12:45.33 | alexbodn | can anybody help with a lan dns zone file ? |
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| 12:46.39 | faber3 | how can i disable ipv6 in debian? |
| 12:47.15 | tralala | faber3: you can't |
| 12:47.34 | faber3 | tralala: mmhh... how can i disable the ipv6 interfaces then? |
| 12:47.56 | jelly | faber3: uncomment alias net-pf-10 off line in /etc/modutils/aliases, rerun update-modules. |
| 12:48.03 | jelly | faber3: reboot. |
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| 12:48.50 | rohan | how can i blacklist specific modules in mkinitramfs ? |
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| 12:49.19 | jelly | tralala: It would be kind of dumb if you couldn't disable ipv6, since it's just about useless. |
| 12:49.53 | tralala | jelly: I thought it is a must-have with recent kernels |
| 12:50.20 | rohan | or where can i atleast find the mkinitramfs configs ? |
| 12:50.22 | alexbodn | can anybody help with a lan dns zone file ? |
| 12:50.53 | jelly | tralala: If it was a must-have it would have been compiled in. Since it's a module, you can disable loading it in some way. |
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| 12:51.41 | alexbodn | look in /etc/mkinitramfs |
| 12:51.56 | rohan | yes i should've read the man page before asking :) |
| 12:52.12 | jelly | faber3: Hmm. Maybe it's /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, not /etc/modutils/aliases. Point being, don't let the module load. |
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| 13:01.19 | hburchey | How do I install the "msttcorefonts" package? It's listed at packages.debian.org, but I've searched in aptitude but it doesn't seem to exist...? |
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| 13:02.05 | liable | hburchey: you have non-free insources? |
| 13:02.19 | grencez | diff mirror maybe? |
| 13:02.41 | hburchey | Yes, but I'm using 'testing'. Could that have something to do with it? |
| 13:02.43 | liable | !info msttcorefonts |
| 13:02.54 | liable | !hi |
| 13:02.55 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 13:03.19 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
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| 13:03.37 | liable | hburchey: got contrib in sources? |
| 13:03.47 | grencez | haha, dpkg has some over the top views about eclipse |
| 13:03.52 | MoDaX | hburchey: add "contrib non-free" in addition to main to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:04.07 | hburchey | I've already done that. |
| 13:04.14 | hburchey | deb http://barch.sonartech.com.au/apt-cacher/ftp.au.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 13:04.25 | MoDaX | hburchey: aptitude update |
| 13:04.30 | liable | !info msttcorefonts etch |
| 13:06.05 | tralala | hburchey: debian has three branches - stable, testing, unstable. If one of them has a particular package it doesn't mean that the others will have it too. |
| 13:06.34 | MoDaX | tralala: as per packages.debian.org, msttcorefonts is in testing |
| 13:06.37 | hburchey | MoDaX, Ok, after the update it worked, although I'm a little confused why it made a diff, since I didn't need to change source.list, and I updated earlier today already. |
| 13:06.50 | hburchey | Anyways, thanks. |
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| 13:08.17 | MoDaX | hburchey: I'm not 100%, but aptitude update (not apt-get update) might have made a difference |
| 13:08.28 | MoDaX | 100% sure* |
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| 13:10.07 | lehel | "cannot chown target directory .. function not implemented (38)" |
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| 13:10.21 | lehel | why? |
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| 13:10.53 | MoDaX | lehel: what fs? |
| 13:11.01 | lehel | ntfs |
| 13:11.15 | tralala | lehel: is this ntfs? |
| 13:11.34 | MoDaX | lehel: then everything is as it supposed to be |
| 13:11.38 | lehel | yes, tralala |
| 13:11.56 | MoDaX | lehel: don't except chown, chmod to work |
| 13:12.07 | tralala | lehel: I don't think ntfs supports ownership |
| 13:12.07 | lehel | i have usb-mass storage drive 160G.. USB 2.0, |
| 13:12.15 | MoDaX | lehel: acls are quite different on ntfs |
| 13:12.19 | lehel | and i'm unable to copy data to that? |
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| 13:12.40 | ktwilight | is there a specific debian apache channel? |
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| 13:12.45 | lehel | i'm mounting with captive=ntfs |
| 13:12.53 | MoDaX | lehel: for max compatibility use vfat |
| 13:13.08 | lehel | MoDaX: so mount -t vfat /dev... ? |
| 13:13.17 | tralala | lehel: you can, of course. Use tar if you want to keep the permissions/ownership |
| 13:13.59 | MoDaX | lehel: first you will need to reformat etc |
| 13:14.11 | MoDaX | lehel: but this won't give you chown. chmod either |
| 13:14.17 | lehel | MoDaX: reformat to what fs? |
| 13:14.26 | MoDaX | lehel: FAT32 :) |
| 13:14.35 | lehel | sure.. :P |
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| 13:15.13 | lehel | tralala: you are saying if i "tar" the folders i can copy? |
| 13:15.20 | jetscreamer | ktwilight: there is #apache of course, but not debian specific |
| 13:15.25 | MoDaX | lehel: you can also use ext2/3 and install www.fs-driver.org on windows |
| 13:15.36 | ktwilight | yup, thanks jetscreamer, am there now :) |
| 13:15.50 | jetscreamer | he means don't wrtie to ntfs |
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| 13:16.00 | jetscreamer | no don't try to mount the ntfs drive as vfat |
| 13:16.03 | tralala | lehel: you can copy even without tar, but you will lose the ownership/permissions. With tar you will keep them |
| 13:16.04 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 13:16.50 | lehel | i'm not interested about keeping or not the ownership or perms.. i just want to copy some data from ext3 to ntfs.. that's all ;) |
| 13:16.51 | jetscreamer | you can zip the ntfs drive (zip tar rar whatever) and perms are preserved. i've even restored windows from a zip i made in linux |
| 13:17.02 | jetscreamer | lehel: explore2fs |
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| 13:17.08 | jetscreamer | don't write to ntfs |
| 13:17.17 | jetscreamer | use explore2fs from windows |
| 13:17.36 | tralala | lehel: then just copy it |
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| 13:18.08 | tralala | or use a different filesystem as the others suggest if you can afford it |
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| 13:18.22 | lehel | let's see that explore2fs.. |
| 13:18.59 | jetscreamer | you run it in windows btw |
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| 13:19.06 | jetscreamer | works well |
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| 13:19.24 | jetscreamer | doesn't do reiser or jfs or xfs i don't think though |
| 13:19.29 | jetscreamer | just ext |
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| 13:20.54 | lehel | jetscreamer: how do i see the linux partitions with this thing? |
| 13:21.11 | jetscreamer | it should be automagical. |
| 13:21.27 | lehel | i think.. i will just add my device in the LAN to a windows.. and copy through LAN |
| 13:21.31 | jetscreamer | i jsut copied 10 gigs yesterday with it |
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| 13:21.58 | benderz0r___ | mmm what are some good linux gpl games people here have played? not including armagetron, frozen bubble, tremulous, pingus, bzflag, supertux, tux racer? |
| 13:22.12 | jetscreamer | !et |
| 13:22.13 | dpkg | [et] Ethiopia |
| 13:22.16 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 13:22.20 | jetscreamer | !enemy territory |
| 13:22.38 | tralala | benderz0r___: torcs |
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| 13:23.00 | benderz0r___ | et isn't gpl |
| 13:23.03 | benderz0r___ | thanks tralala |
| 13:23.14 | jetscreamer | okie |
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| 13:23.59 | Spaniard87 | if i'm assigned addresses of 200.200.200.67/29 does that mean i get 200.200.200.65 - 70 to use? |
| 13:24.23 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm using debian sid, and trying linux google earth beta. On startup the program displays that the font "Bitstream Vera" doesn't seem to be installed on my system. Which package do I need to install to install that font ? |
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| 13:25.24 | jelly | lord_rob: ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 13:25.31 | lord_rob | thanks jelly |
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| 13:25.51 | MoDaX | Spaniard87: yes |
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| 13:26.48 | jelly | lord_rob: use something like "apt-cache search bitstream" to look for things. |
| 13:27.09 | alexbodn | can anybody help with a lan dns zone file ? |
| 13:27.11 | lord_rob | jelly: sure I should have done that I know :) |
| 13:28.14 | stew | alexbodn: you need to ask a more specific question. and consider possibly asking in #dns |
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| 13:28.51 | alexbodn | stew: i have tried there. |
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| 13:29.18 | nixie | alexbodn: just ask, dont ask to ask |
| 13:29.37 | tralala | Spaniard87, MoDaX: no |
| 13:29.44 | alexbodn | ok, can you look at my zone file? |
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| 13:29.53 | stew | alexbodn: put it in a pastebin |
| 13:30.00 | alexbodn | right away |
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| 13:30.29 | nixie | alexbodn: you just did it again. just ask, dont ask to ask;) |
| 13:31.14 | alexbodn | please see http://nopaste.php-q.net/218867 |
| 13:31.19 | MoDaX | tralala: 2^(32-29)=8*8=64; 64 - network; 71 - broadcast |
| 13:31.33 | MatBoy | !beer Matboy |
| 13:31.59 | Tonnerre | Ok, problem solved. Thanks! ;) |
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| 13:32.01 | alexbodn | nixie, no problem, but my question is quite general :( |
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| 13:32.37 | nixie | alexbodn: yet you stil havent asked your question |
| 13:33.07 | alexbodn | nixie, if you can, please see http://nopaste.php-q.net/218867 |
| 13:33.12 | nixie | im seeing it. |
| 13:33.18 | nixie | whats the question? |
| 13:33.19 | stoned | good morning guys |
| 13:33.26 | alexbodn | it's a direct zone file for lan |
| 13:33.50 | stoned | :) |
| 13:33.51 | alexbodn | it loads with no complains, but it doesn't resolv |
| 13:34.05 | nixie | alexbodn: how is it loaded in your named.conf? |
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| 13:35.44 | tralala | MoDaX: bah, if only I could do 32-29 without getting 2... |
| 13:35.47 | alexbodn | please see http://nopaste.php-q.net/218869. the other zone file (reverse for the first) does resolv |
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| 13:39.10 | alexbodn | nixie, stew: the search directive in the /etc/resolv.conf shows that named is searching this zone, and it's authoritary response is unexistent |
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| 13:40.25 | nixie | alexbodn: do a "dig resheteva @192.168.2.254" and paste that in a pastebin |
| 13:40.37 | alexbodn | right away |
| 13:40.54 | stew | alexbodn: do any errors show up in /var/log/daemon.log when you restart the daemon? |
| 13:41.27 | alexbodn | no, all zone files load silently |
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| 13:42.19 | alexbodn | dig response http://nopaste.php-q.net/218871 |
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| 13:44.02 | john__ | hi, im adding second ip to 1 box, i need to get special netmask added, but "ifconfig eth0:0 ip netmask" is giving me "SIOCSIFNETMASK: Invalid argument" is any way to force it to use this netmask ? |
| 13:44.45 | stew | john__: what is the exact command you are typing? |
| 13:45.37 | john__ | "ifconfig eth0:0 192.168..... netmask 255...." |
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| 13:46.48 | alexbodn | nixie, stew: i have also tried `host -v freeway`, for result see http://nopaste.php-q.net/218873 |
| 13:48.30 | stew | john__: please show us the exact command you are typing and the exact output, use a pastebin |
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| 13:49.20 | stoned | stew, may I msg you for a quick sec about something personal and non debian |
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| 13:49.46 | john__ | Expresso:/home/siggi# ifconfig eth0:3 192.168.0.43 netmask 145.233.23.25 |
| 13:49.47 | john__ | SIOCSIFNETMASK: Invalid argument |
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| 13:50.10 | nixie | alexbodn: well, your server sure isnt authoritive for the 'resheteva' domain. it's a longshot (i dont see whats wrong) but you could rewrite your zonefile like this: http://nopaste.php-q.net/218875 |
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| 13:50.33 | alexbodn | let me try, thanks |
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| 13:51.05 | stew | john__: do you know what a netmask is, and what it does? |
| 13:51.29 | john__ | yeah, reason is that one of the computer is using this weerd netmask, and so i can ssh the box i need that netmask added |
| 13:51.46 | elnath | hello to all: how to block p2p networks using iptables,is it enough to block default ports? i doubt it |
| 13:51.56 | sep | john__, that's an impossible netmask, fix the other computer first. |
| 13:52.19 | v1c3 | hi all |
| 13:52.26 | petemc | elnath: http://www.ipp2p.org/ |
| 13:52.47 | v1c3 | is there a way to get a full list of the HW installed and recognized by the OS? |
| 13:53.13 | sep | v1c3, update-pciids ; lspci |
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| 13:53.39 | sep | well actualy that wont say anything abotu what the OS recognices since that's dependant on what modules you load |
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| 13:53.57 | v1c3 | IC |
| 13:54.15 | v1c3 | sep: I just don't see a new nic I installed |
| 13:54.28 | sep | v1c3, ifconfig -a |
| 13:54.38 | sep | v1c3, if you see nothing tru to load it's module |
| 13:54.57 | alexbodn | nixie, stew: i have pasted the new one, but with the same result |
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| 13:55.34 | alexbodn | how can i make the server authotitative for this domain? |
| 13:55.48 | alexbodn | *authoritative |
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| 13:57.43 | stew | john__: that isnt' close to a valid netmask. a valid netmask when written in binary would be a string of 1s followed by a string of 0s. something like 255.255.255.0 or 255.255.240.0... |
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| 13:58.18 | mate` | re |
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| 13:59.54 | tralala | !wb mate` |
| 13:59.54 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! mate` has returned! |
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| 14:03.40 | alexbodn | if you look at named.conf.local, this zone is declared master, and freeway is the localhost of bind9 |
| 14:03.48 | knt | which package should I need to install for setjmp's manual page? |
| 14:04.05 | abrotman | knt: should be in the same package with the binary |
| 14:04.11 | abrotman | !find setjmp sarge |
| 14:04.49 | alexbodn | nixie, stew: if you look at named.conf.local, this zone is declared master, and freeway is the localhost of bind9 |
| 14:04.52 | knt | abrotman: binary? for setjmp? |
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| 14:05.47 | abrotman | wtf is setjmp ? .. a C++ call ? |
| 14:05.52 | nixie | alexbodn: well, personally i would never use "resheteva" as the domain. i'd use resheteva.lan or resheteva.local, so you'd get freeway.resheteva.lan etcetera. might be it, i am unsure. |
| 14:05.59 | knt | abrotman: a C call. |
| 14:06.02 | stew | abrotman: its an evil c call |
| 14:06.12 | abrotman | stew: THEY GOD DAMN LOST |
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| 14:06.20 | stew | abrotman: yeah, rachel told me |
| 14:06.48 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 14:06.48 | dpkg | que tal, abrotman |
| 14:07.11 | abrotman | knt: install the build-essential package .. then try `man -k setjmp` |
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| 14:07.37 | stew | knt: it should be in manpages-dev which has the other c manpages |
| 14:07.44 | prxq | hm... I've set X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restarted the daemon, but logging in with ssh -Y or ssh -X doesn't work (no X is forwarded). Any ideas why? |
| 14:07.54 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 14:07.54 | dpkg | somebody said sshx was Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 14:07.59 | l3u | Greetings, would someone be willing to assist on how to initiate a software raid rebuild? |
| 14:08.10 | knt | stew: thanks so much. |
| 14:08.11 | abrotman | why didn't dpkg tell me where the damn manpage was ... |
| 14:08.14 | abrotman | dpkg: wake up |
| 14:08.14 | dpkg | abrotman: I'm already awake! :) |
| 14:08.20 | l3u | 2 drives in raid1 |
| 14:08.31 | prxq | abrotman, thanks |
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| 14:09.00 | stew | dpkg: find setjmp.3.gz |
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| 14:10.26 | abrotman | stew: why is it evil? |
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| 14:10.43 | abrotman | looks like a big fat stack push |
| 14:11.12 | stew | abrotman: its a way to do a goto that is more evil than a regular goto becuase it lets you jump out of the current stack frame completely |
| 14:11.21 | abrotman | and? |
| 14:11.39 | stew | gotos are kinda evil to start with |
| 14:11.43 | abrotman | it saves your state when you do the goto |
| 14:12.03 | stew | dpkg's debian functions must be hung up |
| 14:12.06 | abrotman | gotos aren't that bad .. and they're used in many variations in other languages |
| 14:12.11 | abrotman | or dpkg is dying |
| 14:12.17 | stew | aptitude finds it |
| 14:12.35 | abrotman | stew: the NOTES section of that manpage is more interesting |
| 14:13.19 | stew | "..make programs hard to understand and maintain. If possible an alternative should be used." |
| 14:13.22 | abrotman | ~find setjmp sarge |
| 14:13.29 | stew | (read: evil) |
| 14:13.59 | abrotman | right .. but using a goto doesn't automatically make your code hard to read |
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| 14:15.32 | abrotman | you can write some really ugly and hard to read code |
| 14:16.16 | eps | I just wrote a line of code that is a mix of bash, c, and sql...then realised...then wanted to die |
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| 14:17.02 | abrotman | gotos aren't inherently evil .. people that write crappy hard to read code are evil :) |
| 14:17.18 | alexbodn | nixie: no problem, i'll try with .lan |
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| 14:18.53 | alexbodn | the zone name should be resheteva.lan, and this is the domain name? |
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| 14:22.47 | nixie | alexbodn: correct |
| 14:23.07 | alexbodn | trying |
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| 14:25.43 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:25.43 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 14:26.29 | superlinux | !supercow |
| 14:26.30 | dpkg | hmm... supercow is a game with a cow in it, or chicken's sister trying to rescue him |
| 14:26.41 | superlinux | LOL! |
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| 14:27.42 | fresch | i am one computer, and i ssh over to another which is running X. how can i display a dialog on the computer i ssh'd to? |
| 14:28.48 | fresch | i tried --display 127.0.0.1:0 |
| 14:28.58 | fresch | but it didn'T work |
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| 14:29.09 | ram_einstein | I installed the mpd startup script but it apparently did not start on my default runlevel. How do I find out which runlevels it's installed in a a non-internal way (ie. not by looking at /etc/rc..)? |
| 14:29.19 | Intoxicator | fresch, does an X server run on the machine you ssh to? |
| 14:29.29 | fresch | Intoxicator, yes |
| 14:29.31 | ram_einstein | update-rc.d seems to be the right program to do that |
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| 14:29.51 | Intoxicator | fresch, you may have to xhost +localhost, |
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| 14:30.01 | richard | bonjour tous le monde |
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| 14:30.23 | richard | chan fr ou us ? |
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| 14:30.36 | Intoxicator | us |
| 14:30.40 | richard | arg :p |
| 14:30.41 | Intoxicator | en |
| 14:30.42 | Tomze | richard: english ;) |
| 14:30.48 | richard | nop french :p |
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| 14:30.54 | richard | me ^ |
| 14:30.57 | richard | sory |
| 14:30.58 | J|m_ | Does anyone know how to get dpkg to list the full names when doing a dpkg -l? It truncates them at xx characters. |
| 14:31.14 | nixie | J|m_: dpkg --get-selections could do that. |
| 14:31.16 | formorer | COLUMNS=250 dpkg -l |
| 14:31.50 | alexbodn | nixie: same result with resheteva.lan for my (adapted) original db.resheteva.lan. |
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| 14:32.03 | fresch | Intoxicator, where can i globally enable xhost +localhost for any user that logs in? |
| 14:32.16 | alexbodn | but with your syntax it says it loaded 0 records |
| 14:32.21 | richard | what : Courier (IMAP & POP3 servers) for debian ? |
| 14:32.35 | richard | i'm noob ^^ |
| 14:32.39 | nixie | alexbodn: so a "dig resheteva.lan @192.168.2.254" still says it's not authoritive? |
| 14:32.49 | J|m_ | Thanks. |
| 14:32.54 | stew | fresch: you really don't wanna do that, instead use xuath, or set the XAUTHORITY environment variable. /msg dpkg run stuff as root ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 14:33.15 | nixie | richard: courier imap & pop3 is for Maildir use. if you're new to mail i suggest getting qpopper and uw-imapd. |
| 14:33.37 | richard | oki gpopper and uw-imapd is pachage ? |
| 14:33.46 | richard | package sory |
| 14:33.49 | Intoxicator | fresch, .xinitrc should do. mind you, allowing access to X server for anybody is considered a security issue |
| 14:33.49 | nixie | richard: yep |
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| 14:34.03 | richard | compatible with vhcs ? |
| 14:34.09 | J|m_ | another question, not specific to debian. I have two versions of mysql library 12 and 14, my code is linking to 12 but I need to link it to 14, how do I do that? |
| 14:34.12 | Intoxicator | fresch, if you don't mind the security implications, you can xhost + |
| 14:34.18 | nixie | richard: vhcs? |
| 14:34.36 | richard | http://vhcs.net/new/ |
| 14:34.42 | richard | virtual hosting panel |
| 14:35.01 | alexbodn | nixie, same result. freeway is not been found in the resheteva.lan zone |
| 14:35.09 | fresch | Intoxicator, i admin a couple of comps in an internet cafe. i just want to send some of the misbehaving kids a warning |
| 14:35.41 | alexbodn | i'll try your syntax: maybe 0 records is a good start point |
| 14:35.49 | fresch | Intoxicator, and i thought i'd just ssh to that machine and run zenity --error |
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| 14:36.11 | Benix | Hi, is it possible to run dh_make without hitting <enter> to confirm? |
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| 14:37.14 | alexbodn | nixie: what is $ORIGIN . ? |
| 14:37.25 | Intoxicator | fresch, as admin, you can log in under the user name, no need to xhost then |
| 14:37.49 | fresch | Intoxicator, thank you, just remembered that myself =D |
| 14:38.25 | nixie | alexbodn: it tells bind that the next IN SOA is the last part of a domainname. e.g. something.somethingelse.LASTPART. often a tld in real dns, so after an $ORIGIN . you'll get a somedomain.com IN SOA line |
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| 14:39.44 | fresch | Intoxicator, if i set xhost +localhost it means that anybody from that computer can access the X server? so how's that a security risk? |
| 14:39.52 | richard | sory i'm speak french for 2min :p : est ce que quelqu'un sais qu'elle type de package il faut installé pour un serveur pop3 et imap pour l'application vhcs ? |
| 14:40.02 | alexbodn | nixie: sorry, i'm not sure i get it |
| 14:40.18 | Intoxicator | because they gain access to screen contents and key strokes too |
| 14:40.19 | nixie | alexbodn: i suggest doing some general reading up on how DNS works :) |
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| 14:40.46 | Intoxicator | and in case X listens to tcp port, anybody on the net can |
| 14:40.50 | alexbodn | ok, some brief recomendation? |
| 14:41.09 | nixie | alexbodn: the RFCs, and google. |
| 14:41.26 | alexbodn | ok, thanks a lot |
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| 14:42.13 | fresch | Intoxicator, oh ok, only one person logged in per computer. but if X only allows localhost, there shouldn't be anybody from the net able to log in, even igf X allows tcp?! |
| 14:43.07 | nixie | richard: you'd have to check vhcs docs. but generally, qpopper and uw-imapd are standard. using courier or cyrus is not trivial and usually nonstandard. |
| 14:43.22 | Intoxicator | oh, yes. locahost, right. xhost + (anybody) would be much more dangerous, then. |
| 14:43.45 | fresch | Intoxicator, thanks again =) |
| 14:43.58 | ZyX | just installed a fresh system and dns lookups dont work for some programs such as host, dig, nslookup. but i can connect to some web sites with curl, telnet, ssh and so on, so these programs _can_ do lookups. any clues? |
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| 14:45.25 | Piet | richard: if you still have a choice, don't use vhcs. it plugs into the system too deeply, the packages won't uninstall cleanly and the developers don't really care about security |
| 14:45.42 | jvm | hello. i've a server running with testing and security-updates for testing. 1 hour ago syslog stopped running because of signal 15, but nobody worked on the server. everything else works without problems. after i restarted syslog everything worked again. why could syslog stop running? |
| 14:46.49 | Piet | ZyX: did you logout and back in? |
| 14:46.54 | ZyX | yes |
| 14:47.01 | richard | ty for answer, i'm find automatic script for install and content all package :) ^^ |
| 14:47.06 | Trewas | ZyX: I'm not sure if I'm guessing right, but do lookups work with "host" using option -4? |
| 14:47.20 | nixie | jvm: log rotation? cant think of much else besides someone actualy killing it |
| 14:47.24 | ZyX | host -4 web.de |
| 14:47.25 | ZyX | host: illegal option -- 4 |
| 14:47.25 | ZyX | Host web.de not found: 5(REFUSED) |
| 14:47.44 | richard | thank very much for answer |
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| 14:47.50 | jvm | nixie: no logs were rotated. could be there a problem with log rotation? how could i find that out? |
| 14:48.02 | stew | jvm: syslogkd is restarted daily by /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd possibly it was stoppedc for log rotation and it didn't start up for some reason? |
| 14:48.03 | Trewas | ZyX: hrm, my host understands -4, but then again this unstable |
| 14:48.11 | Piet | ZyX: it's possible you have a local DNS working which doesn't allow you resolve this domain |
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| 14:48.25 | nixie | jvm: CRON should show in the logs at the time it died. |
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| 14:48.30 | ZyX | Piet, there is no bind or such installed. |
| 14:48.44 | Trewas | ZyX: anyway I was wondering if the problem is ipv6 queries, I have had experience with some adsl-switches that fail mysteriously with ipv6 |
| 14:48.47 | Piet | richard: have a look at syscp |
| 14:49.10 | jvm | nixie: no cron message at this time. |
| 14:49.11 | ZyX | Trewas, how can i force ipv4? |
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| 14:49.31 | nixie | Piet: do you have experience with virtualmin? |
| 14:49.33 | Trewas | ZyX: using that -4 option :P |
| 14:49.35 | gypsymauro | suppose I want just to have fp packages (free pascal) from debian unstable (there is not in dapper) there is a way to get just that packages and nothing else from debian? |
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| 14:49.46 | ZyX | debian stable here. |
| 14:50.05 | jvm | no rootkit was installed, says rkhunter |
| 14:50.13 | jvm | how could i detect a possible attack? |
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| 14:50.27 | madclicker | how can i fix my fonts in kde on etch? |
| 14:50.31 | stew | jvm: you know what time it stopped? |
| 14:50.38 | nixie | jvm: in the places that are publicly accessible. if its a webservre with php, anywhere where the web user can write. think of tmp dirs etc. |
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| 14:50.41 | richard | syscp have french language ? |
| 14:50.44 | Trewas | ZyX: you can try if dig -4 works, it has that same option but I don't know if the version in stable has |
| 14:50.44 | Piet | nixie: no, sorry |
| 14:50.48 | jvm | stew: yes. exactly. the syslog says exit because of signal 15 at this time. |
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| 14:51.11 | Piet | richard: desole, je ne sais pas |
| 14:51.13 | stew | jvm: look at /etc/crontab, did it stop around the time cron.daily was run? |
| 14:51.17 | ZyX | Trewas, no it hasnt. |
| 14:51.20 | jvm | nixie: what sould i look for? there's a web-, ssh-, postfix- and courier-server running |
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| 14:51.31 | ZyX | is there a way to disable ipv6 completely? |
| 14:51.52 | nixie | jvm: strange files. if you run common php apps like phpbb/phpmyadmin, those are often used for initial breakin. |
| 14:51.54 | stew | ZyX: blacklist the ipv6 module, /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 14:52.13 | ZyX | kernel module? i dont have module support. |
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| 14:52.21 | jvm | stew: half an hour after logrotation should've taken place. |
| 14:52.26 | Trewas | ZyX: ok... ipv6 can be disabled by removing the ipv6 module (or the kernel config option), but programs can still make queries for ipv6 addresses |
| 14:52.40 | jvm | stew: but logrotation didn't work since i installed this server. didn't interrest me yet. |
| 14:52.47 | nixie | jvm: a find / -uid www-data (find the numeric value for the webuser) can help. you can limit the find to /tmp, /var, or any other place if you want. |
| 14:53.02 | jvm | thanks nixie |
| 14:53.10 | stew | jvm: note that syslogkd has its own log rotataion, logrotate doesn't rotate it |
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| 14:53.24 | Trewas | ZyX: and I'm not really sure if ipv6 is your problem, if the lookups would have worked when host/dig is forced to query ipv4 address that would have told us something |
| 14:53.42 | ZyX | does this mean i have to compile a fresh kernel and reboot the machine? this sound like a microsoft-style solution... |
| 14:54.04 | stew | jvm: i'd first try running the syslogkd cron.daily script by hand and see if it is reproducable. you *should* see it get killed by a signal 15 sometime after cron.daily is run |
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| 14:54.11 | nixie | wow, thats the first time i see someone associate kernel compiling with MS:) |
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| 14:54.30 | ProN00b | can i resize a container ? |
| 14:54.43 | ProN00b | a dm-crypt container that is |
| 14:55.01 | ZyX | Trewas, how can i find out what the problem might be? |
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| 14:55.16 | stew | ZyX: no, you don't have to recompile the kernel, just blacklist the module |
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| 14:56.15 | XXXXX | jvm |
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| 14:56.32 | XXXXX | jvm, look zeppoo |
| 14:56.38 | XXXXX | zeppoo.net |
| 14:57.29 | ZyX | stew, i have module support disabled in the kernel, can i still "blacklist the module" ? |
| 14:57.51 | jvm | XXXXX: is zeppoo better than rkhunter and chkrootkit? |
| 14:57.55 | killown | C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables why? |
| 14:58.11 | XXXXX | yes of course |
| 14:58.20 | Trewas | ZyX: well, personally I'd try to see what is going on in the network when different programs do failing/succeeding queries with ethereal or something, but that solution requires some knowledge of tcp/ip |
| 14:58.20 | stew | ZyX: oh, if you compiled your own kernel with ipv6 directly in the kernel, i don't know if its possible to disable it. but in general you shouldn't need to |
| 14:58.45 | J|m_ | I'm compiling a program that needs to link agains libmysqlclient14.so but it is linking against 12 instead. How do I force it to use the other version? |
| 14:58.54 | jvm | XXXXX: why isn't it in the debian packet management then? |
| 14:59.25 | XXXXX | jvm, it s new and it's only for kernel 2.6 |
| 14:59.33 | XXXXX | 2.6.x |
| 15:00.20 | jvm | if i run "sysklogd" manually the message in syslog is different. it says only "restart", not "stopped because signal 15" |
| 15:00.50 | ZyX | Trewas, i already tried strace to track the calls.. but it was late at night and i think i didnt find anything. can you "read" strace output? |
| 15:01.59 | jelly | J|m_: install the correct -dev package? |
| 15:02.38 | Trewas | ZyX: strace probably doesn't tell enough |
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| 15:03.23 | ZyX | can you take a look at it? because chances are the program doesnt even get to the network layer so sniffing wont help..? |
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| 15:03.54 | Trewas | I guess I can take a look... though I'll have to go soon |
| 15:04.23 | blaylock | has anyone solved the issue with flash player not showing some text in debian? |
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| 15:04.38 | ZyX | Trewas, thanks. http://zyx.pastebin.com/708595 |
| 15:05.12 | ProN00b | how can i resize a dm-crypt container ? (ext3) |
| 15:05.57 | myren | is there any way to keep linux from paging out my programs when i leave overnight? |
| 15:06.11 | myren | i come back in the morning and the first hour of using VMWware is like i'm on a 286. |
| 15:06.19 | Piet | ZyX: what does "dpkg -l host" give you? |
| 15:06.22 | formorer | adjust the swappines |
| 15:06.45 | myren | any pointers? where would i do so? |
| 15:07.10 | Piet | ZyX: and what about dpkg -l bind9-host | tail -n1 |
| 15:07.29 | ZyX | Piet, it wasnt installed. installed it now. |
| 15:07.47 | ZyX | bind9-host was removed. |
| 15:07.54 | formorer | myren: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 |
| 15:08.01 | Piet | ZyX: you probably have the nikhef version of host, not the more commone one provided by bind |
| 15:08.02 | ram_einstein | which program in debian can be used to manage startup scripts? |
| 15:08.10 | Trewas | ZyX: I didn't notice anything interesting, though host has called clone() a couple of times (making a child process) and strace doesn't trace child-processes by default, only with option -f |
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| 15:08.17 | Piet | ZyX: may be the same thing with dig |
| 15:08.18 | myren | formorer: thanks |
| 15:08.21 | formorer | nop |
| 15:09.16 | tnorth | Hello, I am using testing, and since some days, trying to make an apt-get dist-upgrade, I have xlibs-static-pics labeled as broken. |
| 15:09.41 | tnorth | May I upgrade without problems, or will it result in a corrupted xorg7 installation ? |
| 15:10.01 | ZyX | Trewas, http://zyx.pastebin.com/708602 |
| 15:10.10 | ZyX | piet, which package is dig? |
| 15:10.31 | Piet | ram_einstein: sysv-rc-conf |
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| 15:10.50 | Piet | ram_einstein: that's a package |
| 15:11.10 | petemc | ZyX: dnsutils |
| 15:11.28 | ZyX | dnsutils is there. |
| 15:11.51 | ram_einstein | Piet: I'll look for it |
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| 15:12.52 | Yan^ | hello people I suddenly have had a problem with installing the Opera browser for etch at a notebook. anyone can help? |
| 15:13.11 | ZyX | serv:~$ host -v cnn.com ; Query about cnn.com for record types A ; Trying cnn.com ... ; Query failed, 0 answers, status: query refused ; cnn.com A record query refused |
| 15:13.19 | ZyX | (replaced \n by ; ) |
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| 15:14.20 | jvm | XXXXX: zeppoo -c => open kmem:: Permission denied |
| 15:14.24 | jvm | as root |
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| 15:14.49 | efaistos | hi |
| 15:14.59 | efaistos | is there a pkg to test an adsl connection speed ? |
| 15:15.03 | Trewas | ZyX: that strace tells nothing more than that it gets "web.de A record query refused", not why it does so |
| 15:15.23 | J|m_ | Oh! libmysqlclient14-dev isn't installed! Thanks. |
| 15:15.41 | ZyX | Trewas, so i have to tcpdump? |
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| 15:16.28 | Trewas | ZyX: actually I'm not sure if that helps, it seems that it does the query ok but the DNS answers with "refused" |
| 15:17.04 | ZyX | Trewas, sound plausible. but why should curl etc. resolve? |
| 15:17.18 | Piet | yup |
| 15:17.33 | Dwonis | How do I display OpenSSH host key fingerprints once the hosts are already in my known_hosts file? |
| 15:17.42 | ram_einstein | Piet: yes, I found it and installed it. I'll read the manpage and learn how to use it. Thanks! |
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| 15:19.03 | Piet | ram_einstein: np |
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| 15:19.30 | ZyX | Trewas, thats the tcpdump (2 lines) http://zyx.pastebin.com/708629 |
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| 15:20.07 | Piet | ram_einstein: the easier way may be to just uninstall the whole package (which will, by default, not remove it's configuration) and restore it when needed. |
| 15:20.19 | tnks | Hi. Sometimes apt reports that a directory here and there can't be removed... are those kind of warnings logged somewhere? |
| 15:20.38 | tnks | or are these rouge directories next to impossible to identify again? |
| 15:20.50 | trand | please recommend wireless lan card for debian etch. |
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| 15:22.07 | trand | (pci) |
| 15:22.32 | Trewas | ZyX: not helping either... I'm running out of ideas, at least it does not seem to do ipv6 queries so it's probably something else |
| 15:23.12 | hoodlum | hi, for some unknown reason, my sound quality is quite the average in debian. it crackles when there is like alot of sound if that makes sense? |
| 15:23.14 | Trewas | ZyX: tcpdumping what curl or something that works does might show what they do differently |
| 15:23.19 | tnks | (need to off... sorry... I'll be back in just a minute) |
| 15:23.24 | ZyX | Trewas, i'll call the hotline of the hoster (its a leased rackserver).. i think it might be a problem of their dns |
| 15:23.37 | gteppel | I run a debian server on my home LAN (it acts as a internet router/firewall). I can connect to my work network using VPN, however I often find myself on a wireless network that only allows 80/443 outbount, to get around this so I could still connect to my debian box I ran sshd off of 443. I've been able to tunnel many services using SSH tunelling, except VPN because it uses other protocols besides TCP/UDP, I think PPTP VPN uses the GRE Protocol, I'm not |
| 15:23.37 | gteppel | sure what IPSEC VPN uses. Anyways does anybody see a way I can connect to my work's VPN within this restricted wireless network? |
| 15:24.18 | Tomze | trand: something based on the ralink2500 chip... |
| 15:24.26 | Dwonis | Never mind, I found my answer: ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key.pub |
| 15:24.30 | Trewas | ZyX: that might be good idea, sorry for not being of much help :) |
| 15:24.40 | Dwonis | (or ssh_host_rsa_key.pub) |
| 15:25.00 | ram_einstein | Piet: Right. I installed mpd, but it doesn't seem to startup in my default runlevel for some reson. sysv-rc-conf points out it's installed on runlevel 3. Then how come it's not displayed when I log on and type: ps auxww | grep mpd? |
| 15:25.03 | trand | Tomze, thanks very much. could you mention an example model ? |
| 15:25.05 | Piet | ZyX: you're sure you're allowed to query that DNS, right? |
| 15:25.23 | ZyX | Piet, the dhcp server gave me that one. |
| 15:25.26 | jvm | thanks stew and nixie. find doesn't find anything interesting ;) syslog doesn't show any other message. last doesn't show any other message. everything works perfect. no rootkit installed. server did run 1 year with this software without problems. i think i'll ignore it and look if it happens again, |
| 15:25.44 | jvm | bye |
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| 15:25.57 | nixie | :) |
| 15:26.05 | Piet | ZyX: i see. i just tried from both a server within their network and outside. inside, i can resolve, outside i cannot. |
| 15:26.09 | Tomze | trand: http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_linux.html |
| 15:26.23 | ZyX | ok i see from the dump of curl that it tries other dns servers.. |
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| 15:26.27 | trand | thanks again (_ _) |
| 15:26.31 | Tomze | trand: there should be some pci cards... with same chip |
| 15:26.32 | tnks | I'm back (in case anyone has a reponse to my apt logging question a minute ago). |
| 15:26.43 | trand | Tomze, yeah~ |
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| 15:27.30 | ZyX | there we go. if i query the second dns in resolv.conf it works. so it is definetely a problem with my hoster, right? |
| 15:28.13 | Trewas | ZyX: yes, if their dhcp gives you dns-servers which refuse answer it definitely is problem on their end |
| 15:28.16 | Piet | ram_einstein: 'when i login' refers to runlevel 3? |
| 15:28.50 | ZyX | ok. thanks so far. 1und1 (the hoster we're at) SUCKS. |
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| 15:29.42 | ticc | hi there |
| 15:29.45 | setcode | hello |
| 15:30.01 | Piet | ZyX: they aren't really bad, everyone makes mistakes, it matters how fast they fix it |
| 15:30.30 | ticc | i ahve upgraded my firefox and now i'm unable to run that app. it gives me just "bus error". even reinstalling with --purge option deosn't work. Why is it so? |
| 15:30.49 | ticc | my firefox is installed fform unstable deb package |
| 15:31.28 | Piet | ram_einstein: check daemon.log and mpd's log is there is one |
| 15:31.53 | Piet | ram_einstein: syslog, too |
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| 15:36.28 | smagy2 | hello folks, i have a question about cron . when i copy a user's shell script to /etc/cron.hourly with execute permissions, the owner ship of the file would have to be the user right and not root is it not ? |
| 15:37.00 | blitzfire | no, it would be root |
| 15:37.50 | blitzfire | guys, my loopback interface is not coming up |
| 15:38.09 | smagy2 | blitzfire: oh , then if the user scripts had rm -rf / and that was put in the cron and run as root wouldn't that destroy the system |
| 15:38.20 | blitzfire | right |
| 15:38.36 | abrotman | you can make it sticky |
| 15:38.56 | blitzfire | abrotman: not really for a shell script, i think |
| 15:39.00 | tarzeau | note to self: don't eat watermelons at the keyboard |
| 15:39.02 | stew | smagy2: it doesn't matter who owns the scripts unless you are setting them suid |
| 15:39.12 | ram_einstein | tarzeau: lol |
| 15:39.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: man what did you do, www.happypenguin.org is still down! |
| 15:39.29 | smagy2 | stem: oh, ok thanks |
| 15:39.34 | tarzeau | oh it's just slow today |
| 15:39.47 | blitzfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.52 | ram_einstein | how do I get vi-improved? I can't seem to find the right package name even using an apt-cache search |
| 15:39.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: i blame ... pete |
| 15:39.54 | blitzfire | i cant figure it out |
| 15:39.56 | abrotman | blitzfire: why not? |
| 15:40.02 | stew | ram_einstein: vim |
| 15:40.11 | ram_einstein | stew: well, I guess it's not in testing then |
| 15:40.21 | blitzfire | abrotman: unix does not allow setuid root shell scripts, only binaries |
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| 15:41.02 | ram_einstein | stew: sorry, my bad. It is in testing |
| 15:41.15 | blitzfire | abrotman: you can make a small c program setuid root to run your shell script |
| 15:41.20 | blitzfire | or you can use sudo |
| 15:42.04 | blitzfire | is there a daemon or a kernel module that handles loopback interface? |
| 15:42.18 | ram_einstein | in sudo, how do I give all users permissions to execute whatever they do as super-user without a password? |
| 15:42.19 | blitzfire | i've never had a problem with this before |
| 15:42.20 | stew | blitzfire: "handles"? what do you mean? |
| 15:42.34 | ram_einstein | ie. what should I put in the sudoers file to do that |
| 15:42.44 | blitzfire | well, i can't bring up my loopback network device so I asume there's something missing |
| 15:43.07 | blitzfire | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/06/msg00512.html |
| 15:43.11 | blitzfire | this guy had the same problem |
| 15:43.11 | ram_einstein | blitzfire: is the NIC recognised by the kernel? |
| 15:43.15 | blitzfire | yep |
| 15:43.19 | blitzfire | eth0 works fine |
| 15:43.23 | blitzfire | but not loopback! |
| 15:43.30 | linux3 | hey everyone |
| 15:43.31 | ram_einstein | hmm.. |
| 15:43.33 | linux3 | stuck at school |
| 15:43.36 | linux3 | with nothing to do |
| 15:43.40 | ram_einstein | lol |
| 15:43.54 | blitzfire | obviously rebooting did not work for me... |
| 15:44.13 | stew | blitzfire: what happens when you run "ifconfig lo up"? |
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| 15:44.37 | linux3 | anyone know why in debian etch the progress bars in non-kde apps show up as just grey bars |
| 15:44.41 | linux3 | i would like to add color to them |
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| 15:44.46 | blitzfire | lo: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 15:45.00 | linux3 | cause they usually are |
| 15:45.20 | blitzfire | i tried it with another kernel, its not the kernel |
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| 15:45.35 | stew | blitzfire: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:45.46 | blitzfire | 2.6.15-23-686 |
| 15:45.54 | ram_einstein | that's recent |
| 15:46.04 | FTL | What program converts a hostname on my LAN to an internal IP addresss? |
| 15:46.12 | stew | blitzfire: was that a typo? |
| 15:46.31 | blitzfire | no, thats the one |
| 15:46.39 | abrotman | blitzfire: su -c might work too |
| 15:46.46 | stew | blitzfire: who compiled that kernel? |
| 15:46.55 | linux3 | gtg |
| 15:46.57 | linux3 | class starting |
| 15:46.58 | linux3 | lol |
| 15:47.15 | blitzfire | no, this is a package from ubuntu, but I also have the debian etch kernel, has the same problem |
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| 15:47.25 | blitzfire | i'll reboot into that on that machine |
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| 15:48.08 | blitzfire | (btw, i know this is not #ubuntu) |
| 15:48.10 | blitzfire | :-D |
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| 15:50.18 | ram_einstein | btw, how's sid? I'm on etch and I seem to have absolutely no prominent bugs (in the two days I've spent on debian!) |
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| 15:50.29 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
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| 15:50.39 | azeem | ram_einstein: if there are no bugs, why change? |
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| 15:50.40 | abrotman | anyone tell don the bot died? |
| 15:50.55 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 15:51.01 | blitzfire | stew: now i'm on 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 15:51.04 | ram_einstein | azeem: because sid is way more recent and bleeding edge? |
| 15:51.04 | abrotman | ah .. there we go |
| 15:51.06 | blitzfire | from etch |
| 15:51.11 | Trev_ | Sid is an upgrade ! whoo hooo ! |
| 15:51.14 | azeem | ram_einstein: not so much as you'd think |
| 15:51.15 | abrotman | ram_einstein: and some days .. way way more broken |
| 15:51.21 | blitzfire | still the same problem |
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| 15:51.38 | blitzfire | ifup lo gives SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 15:51.39 | ram_einstein | abrotman: I'll stay away from sid. Thanks |
| 15:51.54 | stew | blitzfire: what version of the ifupdown and net-tools package do you have installed? |
| 15:51.58 | stew | packages* |
| 15:52.05 | wired_ | ram_einstein, testing is what you want |
| 15:52.20 | ram_einstein | wired_: yes, that's what I'm on. Thank you |
| 15:52.45 | ram_einstein | I had this minor problem of vlc not being on etch, but on both sarge and sid |
| 15:53.04 | blitzfire | stew: i know you'll kill me but the are 0.6.7ubuntu7 and 1.60-16ubuntu2 respectively |
| 15:53.10 | blitzfire | see i installed etch |
| 15:53.27 | stew | blitzfire: go to #ubuntu for questions about ubuntu, as you say your already know |
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| 15:53.42 | blitzfire | i'm sorry guys |
| 15:53.49 | blitzfire | its just debian people are more knowlegeable |
| 15:53.55 | ram_einstein | hehe |
| 15:54.07 | ram_einstein | ubuntu's meant for beginners imho |
| 15:54.20 | blitzfire | i agree |
| 15:54.25 | ram_einstein | with bells and jingles. Gnome destop... OMG |
| 15:54.31 | blitzfire | ha |
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| 15:54.44 | blitzfire | i just figured somebody here might know |
| 15:55.08 | blitzfire | i ran into a mailing list message about a similar problem with fedora |
| 15:55.29 | ram_einstein | it's a little wierd. I wonder what's going on |
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| 15:55.41 | ram_einstein | maybe something wrong with the hardware? |
| 15:56.20 | blitzfire | the problem is that this machine is a laptop with absolutely no way of booting but network |
| 15:56.25 | blitzfire | or hard drive |
| 15:56.30 | blitzfire | had to install from network |
| 15:56.51 | blitzfire | and its for a beginner so i installed ubuntu on it |
| 15:57.02 | blitzfire | or i tried |
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| 15:57.32 | blitzfire | now my uber hacker debian skills seem no good for this one |
| 15:57.34 | blitzfire | ha |
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| 16:00.17 | wired_ | so how good is sata support in sarge? |
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| 16:00.54 | peterS | WireDDD: as good as kernel 2.6.8. works for some chips, not for all. |
| 16:02.09 | WireDDD | is there a list somewhere as to what is supported/unsupported? I am about to buy a sata pci card for an older pc and I want to make sure I get one that will work |
| 16:02.26 | flapane | hi |
| 16:02.26 | flapane | i have problems with new 2.6.16vanilla http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=196524 |
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| 16:03.19 | stew | flapane: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu. |
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| 16:04.16 | avaruus | does someone know about direct rendering with fglrx in xorg7 and testing? |
| 16:04.29 | blitzfire | stew... is this why #debian moved away from freenode? |
| 16:04.51 | blitzfire | it must be pretty annoying |
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| 16:06.23 | tonsofpcs | How can I have X rehash the config file and reload without rebooting? |
| 16:06.39 | stew | blitzfire: no. "/msg dpkg oftc move" for the reasons |
| 16:06.42 | Ronin | blitzfire: is what why? |
| 16:06.59 | blitzfire | so many people coming in asking questions about ubuntu |
| 16:07.22 | blitzfire | the reason debian irc moved to a different server |
| 16:07.24 | blitzfire | nevermind |
| 16:07.26 | blitzfire | not important |
| 16:07.28 | Ronin | blitzfire: they do that on oftc as well, apparently ubuntu users cant read or spell ;) |
| 16:07.31 | Eulex | tonsofpcs, you restart it |
| 16:07.39 | stew | blitzfire: that had nothing to do with it. afaik most of the people in favor of the switch were not #debian on freenode regulars anyway |
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| 16:09.39 | blitzfire | hey i've got it I think, about my lost loopback |
| 16:09.44 | blitzfire | at least a clue |
| 16:09.51 | stew | blitzfire: #ubuntu please |
| 16:09.57 | blitzfire | ok sorry |
| 16:10.18 | De_Mon | I created a patch using diff -rub -N dir1 dir2 > test.diff, then tried to apply the patch using patch -p0 -l < test.diff and it fails! -b for diff ignores changes in whitespace, and so dones -l in patch, so, why it no werkie? |
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| 16:12.22 | jelly | well, patch doesn't ignore whitespace itself. |
| 16:12.32 | jelly | oh sorry |
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| 16:13.43 | jelly | De_Mon: how does it fail? |
| 16:14.17 | De_Mon | jelly the hunks are rejected |
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| 16:15.32 | flapane | i have problems with new 2.6.16vanilla http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=196524 |
| 16:15.35 | jelly | De_Mon: and you are trying to apply it to a dir1 equivalent? |
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| 16:16.38 | Tomze | flapane: wrong channel |
| 16:16.41 | flapane | it's not a distro problem, stew, so please read the thread if you want |
| 16:16.45 | flapane | no Tomze |
| 16:16.50 | flapane | i am asking ALSO there |
| 16:16.59 | flapane | it worked with 2.6.15, not with 2.6.16 |
| 16:17.07 | De_Mon | yup, looking at the patchfile I bet it's something to do with diff ignoring the unix/dos line terminators and patch, not? |
| 16:17.10 | flapane | so it's probably a kernel issue (i am asking also in kernel chan) |
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| 16:19.04 | fidel | hi. I need to backup most parts of my server. Using "tar -czp" is the right way, to save all rights ? |
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| 16:20.43 | dpm | what's the best way to get 'echo 16384 > /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_watches' executed on startup in debian? Do I just write a script, put it in /etc/init.d and update the runlevels? |
| 16:22.00 | stew | flapane: its not debian related, which is why it's off-topic |
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| 16:23.59 | De_Mon | jelly got it, you got me thinking in the right direction, thanks! |
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| 16:24.46 | jpablo_ | hey people. any idea how to fix the printers problem in sid ? (no printers models appear in the gnome-cups-add list) |
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| 16:25.56 | neuro_damage | i am in dire need of help, my apt-get is broken |
| 16:26.03 | jade | what is the hot key recovery for crashed debian systems? |
| 16:26.08 | stew | neuro_damage: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 16:26.13 | neuro_damage | and i am on kernel 2.4 i need to upgrade to 2.6 but i would like to use the debian image, any help would be appreciated |
| 16:26.20 | jade | e.g. can be used from console keyboard? |
| 16:26.23 | stew | neuro_damage: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:27.06 | neuro_damage | stew: what's the best way to find out? this system is preconfigured at work here |
| 16:27.12 | neuro_damage | stew: i think it's older |
| 16:27.30 | stew | neuro_damage: what version does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" report? |
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| 16:28.06 | neuro_damage | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 16:28.26 | stew | neuro_damage: yeah that's sarge, /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 16:29.15 | rockstar_ | Crap, have to re-install Debian tonight...need to encrypt hard drive... can't do it with the existing stuff. |
| 16:29.19 | stew | neuro_damage: if your apt-get is broken get us the info in /msg dpkg bat |
| 16:29.26 | neuro_damage | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2843. |
| 16:29.36 | neuro_damage | stew: there you have it... yeah i msged the bot |
| 16:30.05 | stew | neuro_damage: install gnupg |
| 16:30.29 | stew | neuro_damage: ("/msg dpkg apt secure" if you want to know about why you now need it) |
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| 16:32.07 | hendry | can someone please test this stream for me? ogg123 http://222.106.128.198:8000/5live.ogg |
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| 16:32.30 | froze | Not really deb specific, but... I have an iptables scenario where I grant total access to multiple outside IP's through my firewall to multiple inside IP's. Is there a way that doesn't require explicitly opening every outIP to every inIP? |
| 16:34.42 | stew | hendry: i get 27 or so kb/s |
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| 16:34.59 | hendry | stew: any playback? |
| 16:35.08 | hendry | stew: any sound? |
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| 16:36.00 | d510 | hi gang - is there any other method than libpam-chroot to restrict a user to only have access to their directory? I don't want a particular user to be able to navigate around the filesystem - just their own directory. |
| 16:36.04 | kensai | yay!!!! fluxbox hit 1.0rc |
| 16:36.44 | stew | hendry: actually hmm, i don't know that i'm getting audio. (first time through i left it muted, figured you were only worried about connectivity) |
| 16:36.58 | neuro_damage | stew: is there a way to install it without checking signatures? |
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| 16:38.11 | neuro_damage | stew: so that I could install gnupg |
| 16:38.13 | d510 | Is this a too basic question? |
| 16:38.14 | Tomze | d510, let me know if you find a way to do it ;) |
| 16:38.31 | d510 | Tomze: Yea - I'm sure there is a way... |
| 16:39.16 | Tomze | d510, i been looking at this myself and i think the only way is chroot jail :-/ |
| 16:39.19 | hendry | how can i figure out my alsa sound devices |
| 16:39.28 | neuro_damage | stew: i read the article didn't say much about how to skip the apt-key process... |
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| 16:39.33 | d510 | Tomze: That's poopy... but if that's how it's going to be... |
| 16:39.42 | d510 | At least I know to go that route |
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| 16:39.50 | stew | neuro_damage: there probably is, but i'm not sure, check apt.conf(5) maybe. does "apt-get install gnupg" fail? or just give you warnings? |
| 16:39.51 | d510 | and not waste time working on other stuff.. |
| 16:40.07 | neuro_damage | stew: it fails with some output as I Have pasted prior |
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| 16:40.12 | neuro_damage | stew: rather similar apt-key fails |
| 16:40.21 | neuro_damage | stew: its' fetching gnupg from backports.org as well |
| 16:40.23 | stew | hendry: cat /proc/asound/devices ? |
| 16:40.27 | Tomze | d510, yep... i feel the same way.. |
| 16:40.47 | hendry | stew: can you please try ogg123 http://222.106.128.198:8000/5live.ogg again? |
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| 16:41.21 | stew | hendry: still silent |
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| 16:41.27 | hendry | stew: /proc/asound/devices doesn't match <param name="device">hw:0,0</param> syntax in my config |
| 16:41.43 | stew | hendry: stuff unmuted in alsamixer? |
| 16:41.46 | ivan | can i use a wpa wireless connection i sarge? |
| 16:43.08 | neuro_damage | stew: there is a lot of learning there ... |
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| 16:43.28 | dpm | what's the best way to get 'echo 16384 > /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_watches' executed on startup in debian? Do I just write a script, put it in /etc/init.d and update the runlevels? |
| 16:43.55 | stew | dpm: man sysctl.conf |
| 16:44.09 | dpm | ok |
| 16:44.20 | hendry | stew: could you please try ogg123 http://222.106.128.198:8000/5live.ogg again? I am using OSS now |
| 16:45.10 | stew | hendry: what should i be hearing |
| 16:45.23 | hendry | stew: something |
| 16:45.36 | hendry | stew: anything |
| 16:45.48 | stew | i'm going to plug in headphones |
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| 16:46.19 | stew | oh wiat with headphones i can faintly hear stuff |
| 16:46.19 | pdbogen | What do I need to do to compile/view the sgml files that come with libpam-doc? |
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| 16:46.43 | stew | hendry: i heard you blow into a mic just there? |
| 16:46.47 | stew | maybe tap |
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| 16:47.29 | hendry | stew: no? |
| 16:47.35 | stew | hendry: "HELLO" |
| 16:47.42 | stew | hendry: "CAN YOU HEAR ME" |
| 16:47.51 | stew | testingtestingtesting |
| 16:47.54 | stew | hendry: its working |
| 16:48.12 | hendry | stew: i didn't want it to capture mic |
| 16:48.21 | hendry | stew: i want it to capture my output |
| 16:48.24 | hendry | stew: hmmm |
| 16:48.54 | stew | kai has a bit of a british accent |
| 16:48.57 | stew | (i think) |
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| 16:51.08 | dpm | stew: thanks for the tip on sysctl earlier, that was exactly what I was looking for |
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| 16:51.30 | stew | hendry: so it might have been working with alsa, but i wasn't listening close enough to hear your keyboard |
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| 16:52.02 | hendry | stew: i have to figure out how it can record playback, instead of mic. sigh... |
| 16:52.19 | cbeok | Does anyone know of a utility (or a hack) to dynamically select and boot from iso's stored on a hard disk partion? |
| 16:52.35 | Tomze | cbeok: qemu |
| 16:52.36 | stew | hendry: mute the mic and unmute line? or dive into the confusion that is .asoundrc |
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| 16:53.17 | hendry | stew: i am back on alsa now |
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| 16:53.56 | killown | gmailfs mount return it (TypeError: argument 21 must be string, not None |
| 16:53.56 | killown | 06/14/06 13:49:15 ERROR gmailfs child died, exiting... |
| 16:53.56 | killown | ) why? |
| 16:54.29 | stew | hendry: i still faintly hear the football match or whatever is on that radio/tv |
| 16:54.33 | cbeok | Tomze: thanks, I'll look into it. |
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| 16:55.09 | Tomze | cbeok: it has a well written manpage |
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| 16:55.35 | Yan^ | hello people I can not make work cdrecord under the debian etch. any help? |
| 16:55.53 | blitzfire | anyone know how the lo device gets named by udev? on my just-upgraded-from-debian-ubuntu-dapper my loopback device is called ?0 and I don't know how to fix it, it seems the ubuntu installer was supposed to do something at netcfg which didnt get donde |
| 16:56.00 | blitzfire | s/donde/done/ |
| 16:56.05 | blitzfire | ups |
| 16:56.06 | blitzfire | sorry |
| 16:56.10 | blitzfire | wrong channel again |
| 16:56.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: looks good doesn't it? http://freshmeat.net/projects/poker3d/ |
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| 16:57.03 | neuro_damage | stew: yeah i can't even do an apt-get update, right now, with gpgv? |
| 16:57.07 | hendry | stew: thats good. I've fiddled with volumes |
| 16:57.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you also play poker with farmers in the barn? |
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| 16:57.55 | kronoz | is it possible to mount a directory on a partition as /home in debian? |
| 16:57.57 | neuro_damage | stew: basically that package isn't install gnupg and it's killing me right now? |
| 16:58.04 | neuro_damage | stew: any dirty hacks on how to fix this? |
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| 16:58.39 | stew | neuro_damage: revert back to stable's apt. see if you have a apt in /var/cache/apt/archives/apt*.deb which is older than 0.6.44 |
| 16:58.47 | neuro_damage | ok |
| 16:59.00 | stew | neuro_damage: is there a reason you upgraded to apt from backports.org in the first place? |
| 16:59.04 | tarzeau | do free complete rpgs exist? |
| 16:59.25 | neuro_damage | stew: well i don't have any apt's in there but I do have gnupg_1.4.3.* |
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| 16:59.41 | jonathan` | I'm completely stuck in apt now -- no matter what I do (install, remove, update, upgrade, even if I use -f) it gives me an error about kaudiocreator depending on kdemultimedia-kio-plugins (= 4:3.5.0-2bpol) but 4:3.3.2-1 is to be installed |
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| 16:59.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: huh? |
| 16:59.51 | stew | neuro_damage: try dkg -i gnupg... |
| 16:59.53 | neuro_damage | stew: well it was supposed to be better |
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| 17:00.00 | DragonD | i've been fighting with sasl and postfix for a while now... i'm getting postfix/smtpd[25605]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms in my mail.err log... any ideas?? http://pastebin.com/708845 |
| 17:00.14 | Aw0L | quick question: update-rc.d will allow me to add or remove services from starting at certain runlevels - how can I see what is already starting at what runlevel, and what isn't? |
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| 17:00.52 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 17:01.01 | stew | jonathan`: apt-get install kaudiocreator=4:3.3.2-1 |
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| 17:01.18 | jeffrin | when i compile the kernel the laptop gets heated up very fast |
| 17:01.30 | jeffrin | goes to 100 related |
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| 17:01.33 | abrotman | it's using CPU power! |
| 17:01.33 | GS | hola |
| 17:01.34 | abrotman | go figure |
| 17:01.36 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:01.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:01.37 | GS | hi |
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| 17:01.44 | Aw0L | anyone? |
| 17:01.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: i mean how boring are linux games? |
| 17:01.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: write a better one! |
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| 17:02.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: no good sound, no good music (if at all), no good graphics. and names like "OpenGL Racing Game", they can't even find an original name |
| 17:02.10 | neuro_damage | stew: that did it thank you |
| 17:02.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh man, i did! |
| 17:02.24 | abrotman | Toca ? |
| 17:02.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's called www.linuks.mine.nu/supercow/ and you can play it for hours! |
| 17:02.31 | stew | Aw0L: ls /etc/rcX.d/S* where X is the runlevel |
| 17:02.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: and it's got a cheat key too! |
| 17:02.43 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:03.03 | kronoz | about testing, i tried to install it yesterday (cd check was fine) and it said that Xorg was having problems in testing atm, then was very slow configuring libc-dev and libstdc++6 and then bombed out saying that the select and install sofware step had failed |
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| 17:04.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: how about you write a clone of hungry hungry hippos ? |
| 17:05.10 | DragonD | anybody? |
| 17:05.16 | jonathan` | stew, it looked like it ran fine.. but i' |
| 17:05.22 | jonathan` | but i'm getting the exact same error again* |
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| 17:05.25 | pdbogen | tarzeau : "OpenGL Racing Game" is pretty original. I've never seen another game called that. |
| 17:05.42 | tarzeau | pdbogen: what about "falling block game" ? |
| 17:05.47 | tarzeau | pdbogen: come on, it's retarded |
| 17:05.51 | jeffrin | abrotman : hello it gets heated very much |
| 17:05.51 | pdbogen | Never seen one called "Falling Block Game," either. |
| 17:05.59 | abrotman | jeffrin: you're compiling |
| 17:06.01 | stew | jonathan`: put the output of "apt-get policy" into a patebin |
| 17:06.06 | abrotman | DragonD: is postfix-tls installed ? |
| 17:06.14 | DragonD | yes |
| 17:06.22 | jonathan` | stew, says invalid operation policy |
| 17:06.24 | Aw0L | stew thanks |
| 17:06.29 | jeffrin | abrotman : this problem occurs during kernel compile |
| 17:06.44 | crypt_ex | How do clear my usb mem stick as its still got songs on it? |
| 17:06.52 | blondie | rm |
| 17:07.03 | abrotman | jeffrin: because you're compiling a kernel .. the cpu gets used .. i don't understand the problem |
| 17:07.12 | jeffrin | abrotman : if a USB mouse is attached also my laptop gets heated up |
| 17:07.36 | abrotman | uh ok |
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| 17:07.48 | jeffrin | abrotman : the laptop gets heated and will shutodown |
| 17:07.55 | stew | jonathan`: sorry i meant apt-cache policy |
| 17:08.17 | abrotman | jeffrin: is the fan coming on? |
| 17:08.20 | pdbogen | Has anyone here set up password expiration enforcement with PADL's pam_ldap? |
| 17:08.59 | jonathan` | stew, http://pastebin.com/708873 |
| 17:09.15 | pdbogen | Alternatively, is there a PAM module that be used just to check password expiration? |
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| 17:09.36 | jeffrin | abrotman : as far as i know there is one fan and it is running |
| 17:10.18 | abrotman | jeffrin: does it only happen when you cmpile a kernel? |
| 17:10.19 | stew | jonathan`: your pinning is messed up. cat you paste the contents of /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 17:10.34 | stew | jonathan`: if you don't have either of those, its ok, just show me which of those you have |
| 17:10.49 | jonathan` | neither |
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| 17:11.04 | jonathan` | i have an apt.conf.d |
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| 17:11.09 | jonathan` | and my sources.list |
| 17:11.30 | DragonD | hmmm |
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| 17:12.09 | jeffrin | abrotman : the temp. increases also when i install more packages using apt |
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| 17:12.14 | stew | jonathan`: http://backports.org/instructions.html , you should follow the instructions on that page and edit your preferences so that bpo is pinned at a lower priority than stable |
| 17:12.17 | sbk | I'd like my dhclient to drop all knowledge of its leases, and try to get a fresh one "from scratch". Looking at the dhclient process, it seems to record its stuff under /var/run/dhclient/eth0.leases. What's the best way to get it to forget that and restart the networking? |
| 17:12.28 | abrotman | jeffrin: this is a laptop ? |
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| 17:13.31 | stew | jonathan`: although its odd that your stable sources are not at priority 990, it should be if stable was your default release |
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| 17:14.01 | jeffrin | abrotman : iam telling about laptop only |
| 17:14.14 | lindenle | So for xorg 7.0 can I remove all the packages xserver-xorg-video-* that dont have anything to do with my card? |
| 17:14.17 | guk | How would I get sensors not to display both sensor types on my computer ... it seems to overlap and cause doubles of readouts (which is kinda redundant) how do I tell sensors to not read one or the other (example can be found @ http://www.solosoft.org/sysinfo |
| 17:14.18 | jonathan` | stew, ok, cool |
| 17:14.35 | abrotman | jeffrin: and you're sure the fan is on? |
| 17:14.47 | abrotman | jeffrin: why are you compiling a kernel anyways? |
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| 17:15.14 | jeffrin | abrotman : i can see the fan running |
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| 17:15.32 | abrotman | maybe it's not going fast enough |
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| 17:17.53 | leOn | hello |
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| 17:18.26 | jonathan` | stew, what about when i want to remove a package? |
| 17:18.37 | jonathan` | adding it to preferences didn't seem to work, it gave me the kdeaudio error again |
| 17:18.40 | goron | Does Windows have some place where I can dump a file s.t. it is printed automatically? |
| 17:18.45 | leOn | anyone knows if there is a "proper way" to start a raid1 array in degraded mode within the mdadm debian startup scripts ? |
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| 17:19.18 | Zeroth405 | anyone have an idea why I have no /dev/sd* ?? |
| 17:19.29 | Zeroth405 | udev, 2.6 |
| 17:19.38 | nkuttler | goron: wrong channel. |
| 17:19.41 | leOn | Zeroth405: because you didn't load the proper scsi modules ? |
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| 17:20.00 | blondie | goron: yes it does c.c |
| 17:20.28 | Zeroth405 | leOn, I didnt load anything :-p |
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| 17:20.47 | leOn | with udev the devices get created "on demand", meaning that if you didn't load a module which provides such a device, the device won't exist |
| 17:21.07 | exalted | Hi. I'd like to know how possible that my system would have serious problems in case i dist-upgrade from testing (all updated) to unstable today? Thank you. |
| 17:21.22 | Zeroth405 | leOn, I've never had this much trouble with a distro... |
| 17:21.26 | goron | nkuttler: ##windows doesn't say anything. |
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| 17:21.49 | leOn | Zeroth405: do you have any scsi card on the system? |
| 17:22.00 | goron | blondie: could you please tell me how? |
| 17:22.02 | DragonD | ok i needed to install libsasl2-modules, now i get "postfix/smtpd[3470]: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory" |
| 17:22.10 | Zeroth405 | leOn, I have no idea. its a 5 year old laptop. |
| 17:22.14 | blondie | goron: copy file lpt1: |
| 17:22.16 | blondie | I think |
| 17:22.28 | blondie | it might need to be in PS format or something though |
| 17:22.44 | leOn | Zeroth405: do you have any scsi hardware plugged in the system? |
| 17:22.44 | Zeroth405 | leOn, standard ide 3.5" hdd |
| 17:22.45 | goron | blondie: that's not really what I asked for. |
| 17:22.47 | jeffrin | abrotman : how to check the speed |
| 17:22.55 | Zeroth405 | leOn, I dont even knwo what SCSI is! |
| 17:22.57 | abrotman | probably with acpi or apm |
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| 17:23.08 | blondie | goron: well you did ask in #debian |
| 17:23.11 | goron | blondie: I just want to dump a file somewhere and have it printed out with all the defaults. |
| 17:23.17 | goron | blondie: true |
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| 17:23.36 | leOn | if you don't have any scsi hardware you don't need any scsi device, which is what the /dev/sd* are |
| 17:23.47 | jeffrin | abrotman : i have acpi installed |
| 17:23.47 | leOn | sd* are scsi disks |
| 17:24.07 | Zeroth405 | leOn, usb drives. generally they use /dev/sda, /sdb. etc |
| 17:24.17 | abrotman | jeffrin: look in /proc/acpi/ .. find something about the fan |
| 17:24.37 | leOn | when you plug them in, the respective /dev/sd* devices will get created |
| 17:24.44 | leOn | on-the-fly |
| 17:24.48 | Zeroth405 | leOn, tell that to my system. :-) |
| 17:25.33 | Zeroth405 | leOn, gentoo and slackware always have the /dev/sd* devices available. my debain -testing laptopt doesnt have them at all. |
| 17:25.33 | Zeroth405 | leOn, 2.6 kernel for all |
| 17:25.33 | leOn | make sure you have the usb_storage module loaded |
| 17:25.39 | Zeroth405 | leOn, good idea. jesus why didnt I think of that? |
| 17:25.48 | `DamN` | ;-) |
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| 17:30.49 | jeffrin | abrotman : i do not see any option to control speed until now |
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| 17:31.54 | jeffrin | abrotman : but normally it is showing typical fan state and "ff" |
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| 17:32.23 | jeffrin | abrotman : off i mean |
| 17:32.26 | RoAkSoAx | hi there!! does anyone know how to uninstall the module for ipw2200 |
| 17:32.27 | abrotman | try to find a fan control program .. and turn it on |
| 17:32.41 | jeffrin | abrotman : let me try |
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| 17:35.37 | jonathan` | I'm trying to install postfix via apt-get but I'm getting these errors: http://pastebin.com/708928 |
| 17:36.04 | abrotman | so try apt-get -f install |
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| 17:38.39 | jonathan` | abrotman, it gives me the exact same error |
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| 17:39.00 | abrotman | paste the whole thing from apt-get -f install |
| 17:39.08 | jeffrin | ok |
| 17:39.09 | jeffrin | bye |
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| 17:39.12 | jeffrin | thanks |
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| 17:39.49 | jonathan` | http://pastebin.com/708942 |
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| 17:48.11 | gteppel | I run a debian server on my home LAN (it acts as a internet router/firewall). I can connect to my work network using VPN, however I often find myself on a wireless network that only allows 80/443 outbount, to get around this so I could still connect to my debian box I ran sshd off of 443. I've been able to tunnel many services using SSH tunelling, except VPN because it uses other protocols besides TCP/UDP, I think PPTP VPN uses the GRE Protocol, I'm not |
| 17:48.11 | gteppel | sure what IPSEC VPN uses. Anyways does anybody see a way I can connect to my work's VPN within this restricted wireless network? |
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| 17:49.22 | rohan | hi all |
| 17:49.23 | abrotman | jonathan`: no .. just `apt-get -f install` |
| 17:49.29 | rohan | MoDaXaS: ping :) |
| 17:49.33 | neuro_damage | thank you stew again for the help earlier |
| 17:49.41 | abrotman | ELIVE! |
| 17:50.02 | abrotman | jonathan`: it actually tells you this "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)." |
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| 17:50.55 | jonathan` | that had also given me errors.. http://pastebin.com/708964 |
| 17:51.19 | sng | abrotman: You're still here! |
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| 17:54.00 | rohan | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=369965 ---> pursuant to this bug report, i find that initramfs-tools doesnt give the same error |
| 17:54.18 | rohan | but initramfs loads fan and thermal which gaval fatal error no such device |
| 17:54.38 | rohan | i dont know what is more irritating .. /dev/null thing or fan and thermal things |
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| 17:57.10 | MoDaX | rohan: sec |
| 17:57.21 | rohan | MoDaX: :) |
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| 17:57.54 | abrotman | sng: for now anyways |
| 17:58.02 | sng | abrotman: Yay! |
| 17:58.23 | sng | abrotman: And I stil suck! |
| 17:58.38 | abrotman | sng: where? |
| 17:58.49 | sng | abrotman: Oregon? |
| 17:58.58 | abrotman | sng: come to philly! |
| 17:59.12 | abrotman | sng: i heard a certain person we know is looking for a network manager :) |
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| 17:59.56 | rohan | MoDaX: please ping me when you get free .. |
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| 18:01.20 | MoDaX | rohan: pass 'ydebug' to kernel cmdline. then right before "switching root" you will get message "Debugging opportunity, ^D to continue." and shell. try examining situation then (is / read-only etc.) |
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| 18:02.01 | rohan | MoDaX: wow, how do you know so much about debian :S |
| 18:02.18 | rohan | MoDaX: ofcourse, for that i'd need to create initrd using yaird, yes ? |
| 18:02.33 | MoDaX | rohan: yes |
| 18:02.37 | neuro_damage | stew: what is the package for generating ramdisks so taht I can install the new kernel? |
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| 18:03.18 | rohan | MoDaX: and suppose /dev/null is RO, or something else, what moe do i do, for debugginh ? |
| 18:03.22 | rohan | *debugging |
| 18:03.26 | k-god | neuro_damage: mkinitrd |
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| 18:04.07 | k-god | rohan: /dev/null shouldn't be ro. Set perms right and check its major/minor nodes, or just regenerate it. If you're using devfs, God help you. |
| 18:04.37 | stew | neuro_damage: for which kernel? |
| 18:04.43 | rohan | k-god: udev all the way :) |
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| 18:05.20 | rohan | "and check its major/minor nodes" --> how, k-god ? |
| 18:05.30 | k-god | rohan: ls -l |
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| 18:05.43 | neuro_damage | stew: 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 18:06.01 | rohan | ok, k-god :) |
| 18:06.13 | rohan | will reboot the moment this yaird initrd is recreated |
| 18:06.18 | MoDaX | rohan: check if /dev/hdc1 is mounted by yaird and its mount options |
| 18:06.18 | k-god | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Jun 7 15:10 /dev/null |
| 18:06.26 | k-god | Should be major 1, minor 3, as above. |
| 18:06.27 | rohan | and how do i regenerate /dev/null ? |
| 18:06.33 | MoDaX | rohan: dunno what else |
| 18:06.37 | k-god | rohan: You're using udev, god help you ;-) |
| 18:06.48 | rohan | k-god: heh |
| 18:06.49 | k-god | Wait, that would be me. |
| 18:07.04 | rohan | allritey then, brb |
| 18:07.05 | k-god | rohan: Tell y'what, devil take you. |
| 18:07.46 | rohan | and god wont help, k-god ? |
| 18:07.46 | rohan | :P |
| 18:07.59 | rohan | anyway, rebooting |
| 18:08.22 | stew | neuro_damage: your choices are initramfs-tools which requires udev or yaird (which doesn't require udev but is probably going to be abandoned eventually) |
| 18:08.28 | k-god | rohan: I'm not versed on sorting udev stuff. |
| 18:08.48 | MoDaX | rohan: wait a moment |
| 18:08.49 | typewriter | anyone setup horde before? |
| 18:08.50 | stew | yaird doens't use udev anyway |
| 18:08.57 | neuro_damage | ok |
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| 18:09.09 | neuro_damage | thank you stew |
| 18:09.15 | stew | neuro_damage: if you are upgrading from 2.4 you have no choice, you must use initramfs-tools |
| 18:09.22 | typewriter | i installed horde, it's in /usr/share/horde3, so i make a webmail.domain.com to point there. now when i go there it tries to connect to webmail.domain.com/horde3/ |
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| 18:09.56 | stew | typewriter: Alias /horde3/ /usr/share/horde3/ |
| 18:09.56 | cbeok | does anyone know of a boot loader (or a facsimilie of one) that is able to generate initrd files on the fly? |
| 18:10.19 | stew | cbeok: no such thing exists |
| 18:10.26 | k-god | cbeok: If you install via apt(-get|itude) that's taken care of for you. |
| 18:10.29 | typewriter | stew, im wondering is it proper tp cp /usr/share/horde3/ to somewhere else, was that the intent? |
| 18:10.38 | stew | typewriter: no |
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| 18:10.58 | ultraviolet16 | what is the name of the package i need to build my kernel? |
| 18:11.00 | typewriter | then isnt that a bug |
| 18:11.04 | ultraviolet16 | like kernel build tools or something |
| 18:11.05 | stew | typewriter: you shouldn't move anything, you shoudl be able to do the whole thing with aliases or url rewriting |
| 18:11.28 | typewriter | i'm saying, shouldnt it be setup to work without aliases? |
| 18:11.33 | stew | no |
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| 18:12.09 | stew | typewriter: if you think you can get it to work otherwise, do it and submit patches |
| 18:12.14 | rohan | k-god, MoDaX: partially helped |
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| 18:12.23 | rohan | there is no ls and rm in the environment |
| 18:12.41 | rohan | but mount command showed the /dev/hdc1 is mounted as ro,data=ordered |
| 18:13.00 | mox | ultraviolet16:kernel-package |
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| 18:13.11 | rohan | and ofcourse, it uses dash |
| 18:13.18 | akulah | hi ppl |
| 18:13.20 | akulah | ! |
| 18:13.28 | rohan | but what surprizes me is the even ls wasn't there, MoDaX |
| 18:13.29 | akulah | I have a question |
| 18:13.41 | ultraviolet16 | mox: thanks |
| 18:13.41 | rohan | !ask |
| 18:13.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 18:14.02 | akulah | how do I install sid using debootstrap |
| 18:14.18 | MoDaX | rohan: you were in initrd. it's kept as minimal as posible |
| 18:14.19 | akulah | cause the howto about that is a little outdated |
| 18:14.25 | rohan | MoDaX: so no ls ? :S |
| 18:14.39 | rohan | !tell akulah about debootstrap |
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| 18:14.58 | akulah | the base-config package is not included anymore |
| 18:15.06 | MoDaX | rohan: you could do dev/hdc1/mount/point/bin/ls :) |
| 18:15.08 | signuts | I know of update-rc.d to manage what starts at each run level but how do I show what is currently being started/stopped at each run level? |
| 18:15.20 | signuts | like in chkconfig --list or rc-update -s |
| 18:15.20 | rohan | MoDaX: ouch ok .. :S |
| 18:15.34 | zambba | Would someone tell me how could I prevent upgrade/dist-upgrade to upgrade one program? |
| 18:15.45 | abrotman | !tell zambba about hold |
| 18:15.47 | signuts | zambba, pinning is waht you want |
| 18:15.52 | rohan | zambba: use synaptic, thats the easiest way imo |
| 18:16.01 | neoxan | POLSKI POLSKI!!!! |
| 18:16.15 | bartm | zambba: search google for "apt pinning" |
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| 18:16.45 | torgeir | has anyone got a promise TX4310 working in debian? |
| 18:16.53 | signuts | anyone know the debian way of achieving something like in chkconfig --list or rc-update -s |
| 18:16.57 | akulah | I've installed a base sistem using debootstrap but the howto tells to use base-config to configure it |
| 18:16.57 | rohan | MoDaX: ok, any other ideas before i reboot (yet) again ? |
| 18:17.19 | rohan | signuts: how would we know what does the command do ? :S |
| 18:17.28 | typewriter | ok, well it loads now the page.. i setup my mysql DB as well.. trying to configure horde though according to the docs, but the horde page seems very weird |
| 18:17.32 | torgeir | I get "segmentation fault" trying to load the .ko-file |
| 18:17.33 | typewriter | somethings are not loading as it should |
| 18:17.45 | sp00f | i havnt used it for a number of years and it doesnt seem to be in the pool, so whatever happened to bison++? |
| 18:17.48 | typewriter | and i cant seem to find the proper pages the debian doc says to goto to configure |
| 18:17.51 | rohan | torgeir: after doing insmod on it, check dmesg |
| 18:18.14 | signuts | rohan, hehe. I want to list all the startup scripts and in another column see what run levels they're setup to run at. |
| 18:18.18 | rohan | MoDaX: also that remids me, does my dmesg output help ? |
| 18:18.23 | abrotman | sp00f: it's still there |
| 18:18.46 | rohan | signuts: i'd suggest you use sysv-rc-conf |
| 18:18.48 | abrotman | sp00f: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=bison%2B%2B |
| 18:18.53 | sp00f | bison is there bison++ isnt - its on packages.debian.org i presume then? sorry havnt even looked yet |
| 18:18.58 | sp00f | many thanks |
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| 18:19.11 | MoDaX | rohan: don't think so. we need to trace where those errors are comming from |
| 18:19.38 | signuts | rohan, sweet |
| 18:19.39 | signuts | rohan, thx |
| 18:19.47 | rohan | MoDaX: ok, so i'll do ls. and, ok replace the /dev/null with a plain file if need be ? |
| 18:19.53 | sp00f | got it! thanks for that abrotman |
| 18:19.55 | rohan | signuts: :) |
| 18:20.26 | [Cadet] | does preseeding network-console/password really work? I cannot seem to get it to not prompt for a password |
| 18:20.45 | torgeir | rohan: if I don't load sd_mod first, I get: |
| 18:20.47 | MoDaX | roler: I wouldn't risk replacing /dev/null :) |
| 18:20.48 | jonathan` | for debian should my /etc/mailname and hostname be the same thing? |
| 18:20.49 | torgeir | ftsata2: Unknown symbol scsi_remove_host |
| 18:20.49 | torgeir | ftsata2: Unknown symbol scsi_host_put |
| 18:20.49 | torgeir | ftsata2: Unknown symbol scsi_scan_host |
| 18:20.49 | torgeir | ftsata2: Unknown symbol scsi_add_host |
| 18:20.49 | torgeir | ftsata2: Unknown symbol scsi_host_alloc |
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| 18:20.57 | [Cadet] | fyi latest checkout from svn of d-i |
| 18:21.03 | torgeir | sorry |
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| 18:21.12 | stew | !tell torgeir about paster |
| 18:21.15 | rohan | torgeir: paste it on rafb.net/paste .. i'll brb :) |
| 18:21.26 | tarzeau | haha some games suck |
| 18:21.32 | beefcake | to run a cronjob once an hour its : * */1 * * * |
| 18:21.33 | beefcake | right? |
| 18:21.39 | rohan | tarzeau: you always forget eh :P |
| 18:21.41 | rohan | !popcon |
| 18:21.41 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:21.45 | tarzeau | press esc in the level end you get to the map and press esc again, you get to the next level |
| 18:21.46 | stew | beefcake: no that is once a minute since you have a * in the minute field |
| 18:21.47 | Yan^ | hello people I have problems with CD recording on debian etch. I can not record a single CDRW. any help? |
| 18:21.57 | tarzeau | to exit the game? no idea... damned! spanish menus |
| 18:22.04 | beefcake | ah so its * * */1 * * |
| 18:22.05 | beefcake | ? |
| 18:22.06 | tarzeau | rohan: it's a nightmare |
| 18:22.11 | rohan | tarzeau: ;) |
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| 18:22.21 | stew | beefcake: the first column is the minute column, that's still every minute |
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| 18:22.50 | beefcake | urmz i thought each * was a seperate thing |
| 18:22.51 | tarzeau | but not bad, out of 4 games i tried. one is good :) i'll package it |
| 18:22.58 | stew | beefcake: once an hour would be something like 0 * * * * (if you want 1:00 2:00...) or 13 * * * * if you want 1:13 2:13... |
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| 18:23.04 | tarzeau | at least testing on windows i don't waste building games... |
| 18:23.08 | beefcake | tx |
| 18:23.08 | bartm | Yan^: which errors do you get? |
| 18:23.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you try one game that i also liked but not sure if i should package it? |
| 18:23.38 | holycow | guy ... |
| 18:23.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: when i'm at home .. yes |
| 18:23.46 | holycow | *hmm* |
| 18:24.00 | stew | beefcake: oh i guess in reality * */1 * * * 60 times a day, all within an hour i minute apart |
| 18:24.02 | g333k | Hi, excuse me for the off-topic, can you tell me what should I download to use VMware to use the virtual machine capability? wmware workstation? player? server? |
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| 18:24.14 | holycow | weird ... so irc.debian.org moved to oftc ... is this still an official sort of channel or? |
| 18:24.15 | beefcake | thanks alot man :) |
| 18:24.15 | Yan^ | bartm; first off, I can not find any application like K3 or smth in Gnome menus neither in KDE. Then i tried cdrecord, but the command cdrecord -scanbus failed... |
| 18:24.16 | WireDDD | how can I figure out which device my sata hard drive is set to? |
| 18:24.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: this one: http://www.fishies.org.uk/apricots.html |
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| 18:24.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: the other one i liked alot is 3d and called "kiki" |
| 18:24.48 | lepton | WireDDD: dmesg |less ? |
| 18:24.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: how about a learning game? |
| 18:24.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: man, are we in school? |
| 18:25.06 | nvz | bah,I spent the past hour and a half trying to edit a ~250mb file on windows and accomplished nothing :-/ seems 496mb of available ram and 500mb or so of swap isnt suffecient enough for windows to do that |
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| 18:25.42 | vulture | nvz: not a Windows issue really.. depends on the editor you're using. |
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| 18:25.47 | bartm | Yan^: and "failed" means what? |
| 18:25.51 | rohan | MoDaX: bingo, to some extent |
| 18:25.52 | MoDaX | rohan: could you paste output of `mount` to some paster? |
| 18:25.55 | torgeir | rohan: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4hubSN48.html |
| 18:26.00 | Yan^ | bartm+ just a sec will tell it |
| 18:26.03 | nvz | vulture: yeah I figured the editor sucked too.. since it was wordpad that came with windows |
| 18:26.15 | nvz | vulture: I cant select anything or scroll or anything |
| 18:26.27 | vulture | nvz: yeah, it's not really designed for large files.. there are editors that are designed for that kind of thing. |
| 18:26.29 | rohan | MoDaX: ls did not work, because librt.so.1 could not be loaded, but when i manually remounted /dev/hdc1 to /mnt with -o rw, no errors were displayed ! |
| 18:26.34 | nvz | vulture: can you recommend something? |
| 18:26.42 | rohan | MoDaX: mount from within the initrd or from my system atm ? |
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| 18:26.50 | MoDaX | rohan: system atm |
| 18:26.56 | rohan | MoDaX: ok, a sec |
| 18:26.59 | vulture | (none that come with Windows, so far as I know - Word might, though I doubt it). I'm trying to think - dunno if ViM can deal without the whole file in memory.. |
| 18:27.04 | Yan^ | bartm: where could I paste the error message please? |
| 18:27.04 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 18:27.10 | torgeir | rohan: that driver is built using kernel-headers by the way.. |
| 18:27.14 | holycow | so has this channel actually moved to oftc like #debian-boot? |
| 18:27.31 | holycow | or simply no one noticed and everyone autojoins? |
| 18:27.59 | nvz | vulture: I am only interested in a small portion of the file even if it were split directly in half and I only opened the 2nd half I would probably be satisfied just so long as I can perform a quick editing operation |
| 18:28.04 | bartm | holycow: there was some announcement on mailnig lists |
| 18:28.15 | nvz | vulture: I am trying to extract a plain text section from a binary file |
| 18:28.25 | rohan | MoDaX: http://rafb.net/paste/results/KXC3Aa75.html |
| 18:28.56 | rohan | torgeir: i think you need to load some scsi module |
| 18:29.06 | rohan | torgeir: thats the problem with insmod .. no dependency check |
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| 18:29.39 | torgeir | rohan: I tried that below the "----------------"..check the paster |
| 18:29.45 | Yan^ | bartm: could I pm you with the result of the error message? |
| 18:29.50 | torgeir | "insmod sd_mod" |
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| 18:30.30 | rohan | torgeir: then first insmod ftsata2 and then the sd_mod |
| 18:30.33 | vulture | nvz: how about just using strings/grep? (not sure if there's a simple way to get those on Windows without something like cygwin though) |
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| 18:31.05 | nvz | vulture: the gnu tools are available for download in win32 format online but I dont know specifically what I am looking for without seeing it |
| 18:31.06 | rohan | MoDaX: do tell if you find anything strange there .. |
| 18:31.32 | signuts | Whe I do apt-cache show ... I get a section Tag: interface::x11, made-of::lang:c++ etc. Can I browse these somehow? |
| 18:31.39 | abrotman | !debtags |
| 18:31.39 | dpkg | from memory, debtags is http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags |
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| 18:31.54 | signuts | w00t! |
| 18:31.54 | rutski89 | Is "tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors" a bad thing? |
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| 18:32.02 | rutski89 | Did the archiving fail? |
| 18:32.12 | rohan | rutski89: most probably, yes |
| 18:32.13 | nvz | vulture: I want to take the human readable and thus editable sections of this file and put them into another file I am not sure at all what they look like |
| 18:32.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have a good idea for software for you to write ... |
| 18:32.30 | rutski89 | because last thing that it ziped was /postgres/.bash_history, which alphabetically seems to be one of the last things on the system |
| 18:32.37 | MoDaX | rohan: in /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh you will do_start() function. type /bin/sh in the next to domount proc "" /proc |
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| 18:32.44 | MoDaX | will find* |
| 18:32.50 | nvz | vulture: I am looking into vim, but I dont know if it will help |
| 18:32.59 | MoDaX | in the next line to* :) |
| 18:33.07 | rutski89 | rohan: :( |
| 18:33.16 | vulture | nvz: "strings" searches for human readable subsequences in a file.. it can't be perfect, but it's a pretty good start |
| 18:33.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: package this .. http://rs3.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:33.51 | WireDDD | what device should a hard drive hooked up to the first sata channel be? |
| 18:34.00 | MoDaX | rohan: this will drop you to the shell right after first round (related to /proc) of errors |
| 18:34.06 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.06 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.10 | rohan | right ? |
| 18:34.15 | MoDaX | yes |
| 18:34.30 | rohan | right, then i proceed with 'debugging' from there ? |
| 18:34.37 | Yan^ | hello, can anyone help with CD recording under debian etch? |
| 18:35.02 | rohan | Yan^: what is the error displayed ? can you try k3b ? |
| 18:35.10 | MoDaX | rohan: check if is anything in /sys. seems like there should be |
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| 18:35.17 | abrotman | Yan^: which burning program ? |
| 18:35.20 | rohan | MoDaX: ok, then ? |
| 18:35.34 | snooplsm | dumb question: i just installed debian and forget how to get from the command prompt into a graphical system |
| 18:35.40 | abrotman | startx ? |
| 18:35.43 | snooplsm | thanks |
| 18:35.46 | MoDaX | rohan: check `mount` where is / point to etc. |
| 18:35.56 | MoDaX | rohan: try echo'ing something to /dev/null :) |
| 18:35.56 | rohan | MoDaX: ok |
| 18:36.01 | rohan | :) |
| 18:36.05 | bartm | snooplsm: maybe ctrl-alt-F7 ? |
| 18:36.17 | snooplsm | i think I forgot to install an x system |
| 18:36.20 | snooplsm | startx does'nt work |
| 18:36.27 | rohan | snooplsm: gui will auto start if you have kdm or gdm installed |
| 18:36.30 | Yan^ | rohan; i could not find the k3b although I sought laboriously. the command cdrecord -scanbus does not even return an error, but dusplays a message saying that these are known issues with 2.6 kernel |
| 18:36.36 | abrotman | snooplsm: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 18:36.36 | snooplsm | yea at the install screen i thought |
| 18:36.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: and what software should i write? |
| 18:36.40 | snooplsm | enter was check |
| 18:36.46 | rohan | Yan^: yes, its a known problem |
| 18:36.48 | snooplsm | but it only did a base insall |
| 18:36.53 | Yan^ | abrotman: i am trying cdrecord |
| 18:36.56 | rohan | Yan^: why could you not find k3b ?! |
| 18:37.01 | nvz | vulture: I am giving gvim a try |
| 18:37.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: the one i linked you to .. didn't know it was written .. basically .. convert your RSS feeds to audio so you can listen to them |
| 18:37.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: man rs3 i don't use any rss, nor it's a game :( |
| 18:37.12 | Yan^ | rohan; there is no k3b in the menus |
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| 18:37.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: retarded, really |
| 18:37.20 | rohan | Yan^: do apt-get install k3b |
| 18:37.24 | rohan | as root |
| 18:37.27 | Yan^ | rohan ok |
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| 18:37.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: i listen to music, or real persons... |
| 18:37.34 | abrotman | Yan^: are you even using KDE ? |
| 18:37.39 | torgeir | roue: http://rafb.net/paste/results/HO8fOy44.html |
| 18:37.46 | Yan^ | abrotman; now gnome |
| 18:37.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: if i want to know something i can read it, actually i can even get it read to me by a real sexy female voice |
| 18:37.54 | torgeir | rohan: sd_mod first, then ftsata2 |
| 18:38.04 | rohan | Yan^: oh, then try gnomebaker or something |
| 18:38.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://happypenguin.org/show?Beats%20of%20Rage |
| 18:38.07 | torgeir | rohan: http://rafb.net/paste/results/HO8fOy44.html |
| 18:38.13 | abrotman | Yan^: then try gnomebaker |
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| 18:38.24 | abrotman | k3b requires half of KDE to be installed .. for no good reason |
| 18:38.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you seen freebasic? it has links to two great rpg games... |
| 18:38.47 | Yan^ | rohan; hmm indeed it was not installed, i thought it comes automaically with kde |
| 18:38.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh no that's the sort of game i hate! street fighter like games |
| 18:38.55 | Yan^ | installing gnomebaker also |
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| 18:39.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: no it's not |
| 18:39.12 | rohan | abrotman: kdelibs is not half of kde ;P |
| 18:39.24 | abrotman | rohan: if you're using gnome .. it's too much .. and not worth it |
| 18:39.32 | rohan | abrotman: i see .. |
| 18:39.45 | abrotman | gnomebaker works perfectly well |
| 18:39.50 | Zeroth405 | rohan, koffice is half of kde :-p |
| 18:40.09 | Yan^ | abrotman: the apt-get can not find gnomebaker |
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| 18:40.19 | abrotman | Yan^: what version of debian are you using? |
| 18:40.20 | rohan | Zeroth405: koffice is optional component of kde |
| 18:40.29 | Zeroth405 | rohan, I was kidding. |
| 18:40.31 | Yan^ | abrotman: etch |
| 18:40.34 | rohan | Zeroth405: i know ;) |
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| 18:40.47 | abrotman | !why is gnomebaker not in testing |
| 18:40.47 | dpkg | gnomebaker is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnomebaker |
| 18:41.05 | Yan^ | where is it then |
| 18:41.09 | rohan | Yan^: since you already installed k3b, try it, and tell us if it works |
| 18:41.09 | abrotman | Yan^: you can try to manually grab the gnomebaker package from sid and try that |
| 18:41.17 | rohan | dont ! |
| 18:41.29 | rohan | abrotman: why do you want him to mix etch and sid |
| 18:41.44 | Yan^ | ok trying k3b |
| 18:41.44 | RoAkSoAx | gracielas TUR |
| 18:42.38 | abrotman | rohan: it's a package that hasn't made it to etch because of one RC bug |
| 18:42.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you also check this out after work? http://www.poojyum.com/a2b/ |
| 18:43.24 | abrotman | rohan: all the dependencies are in etch already |
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| 18:43.57 | rohan | abrotman: yes, but what if it requires some libs which are only in sid .. anyway, i am no expert, but i have been told not to mix etch and sid :s but you are obviously right, you seem to have tried it :) |
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| 18:44.15 | Yan^ | rohan: do you recommend to change the permissions so that k3b be accessible only to root? |
| 18:44.19 | unstable | What is a good random password generator? |
| 18:44.21 | abrotman | rohan: i've done it before .. |
| 18:44.28 | rohan | abrotman: yes that is why :) |
| 18:44.37 | abrotman | unstable: apt-cache search password generate |
| 18:44.40 | nvz | ok, now how do I take the file vim can so beautifully handle and turn it into something windows can understand again? i.e. windows no longer understands the file as having carrage returns :P |
| 18:44.52 | rohan | Yan^: yes, press alt-f2 type "kdesu k3bsetup" or "gksu k3bsetup" |
| 18:45.06 | abrotman | wtf .. bootmisc.sh isn't run at boottime .. |
| 18:45.10 | unstable | abrotman: I know, but there are a crapload. I wanted to know if there was one that most people used. |
| 18:45.12 | Yan^ | ok, it is proceeding with GUI |
| 18:45.21 | abrotman | unstable: who cares .. as long as it's random |
| 18:45.34 | RoAkSoAx | does anyone know how to configure the ipw2200?? |
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| 18:45.49 | servus | Damn it. My power just got shut off. |
| 18:46.03 | guk | nvz: wordpad understands those ... notepad doesn't |
| 18:46.08 | signuts | servus, only 30 minutes on the ups? |
| 18:46.18 | signuts | servus, :) |
| 18:46.21 | nvz | guk: well its wordpad that isnt showing it properly |
| 18:46.24 | unstable | !tell RoAkSoAx about ipw2200 |
| 18:46.45 | guk | nvz: then somthing is wrong with your file I would assume ive never had issues with wordpad and linux type txt files |
| 18:46.52 | nvz | guk: its a single line in wordpad, its 3012 lines in gvim |
| 18:46.55 | guk | I have with notepad tho ... |
| 18:47.03 | servus | I have no idea @ signuts |
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| 18:47.18 | nvz | each line in gvim has a ^M on the end *shrug* |
| 18:47.19 | rohan | anyway brb with the yaird debugging stuff .. MoDaX one Q, do i pass ydebug this time or no ? |
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| 18:47.25 | lexton | where are the include files for mysql? |
| 18:47.26 | Yan^ | rohan: the k3b refuses to blank the cdrw |
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| 18:47.36 | lexton | do I have to install a package or compile from source to get them? |
| 18:47.39 | MoDaX | rohan: no |
| 18:47.51 | wine | hi, how do i remove a folder that doesn't fit in the trash ? |
| 18:48.08 | RoAkSoAx | unstable: le i installed it with m-a but it shows APIC error on CPU0 : 40 (40) |
| 18:48.10 | Shadowcat | !folder |
| 18:48.11 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 18:48.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: man! i found one fun looking game.... let me check if it IS fun |
| 18:48.16 | rohan | MoDaX: ok |
| 18:48.20 | nvz | I need to find an editor for dummies that can handle large files :P |
| 18:48.41 | Shadowcat | wine: the way you delete any other file, see man rm |
| 18:48.56 | Yan^ | rohan: the first error message is scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0 |
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| 18:49.12 | Yan^ | rohan then:/usr/bin/X11/cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg0'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
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| 18:50.16 | servus | I wonder if my neighbours have power... |
| 18:50.22 | linux2 | does anyone know how i can install an older version of amarok |
| 18:50.31 | MoDaX | nvz: http://vim.sourceforge.net/tips/tip.php?tip_id=145 |
| 18:50.32 | linux2 | version 1.4.0a doesn't work on this comp |
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| 18:51.07 | Shadowcat | linux2: why are you running testing if you don't know how to roll back packages? |
| 18:51.12 | Shadowcat | testing/unstable |
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| 18:51.50 | abrotman | bootmisc is run at boottime .. but too early .. oh well |
| 18:51.53 | sbk | Could you point me to documents that tell me how to adjust the tcp connect timeout (from a client)? Ie, which of the tcp.* sysctls to change |
| 18:51.54 | stew | linux2: be more specific than "doesn't work", have you checked the bts? |
| 18:51.55 | guk | I don't know how to roll back packages ive just never had too ... ive never seen a problem with "testing" package except for when it's my fault ... or I update the next day and it magicly goes away |
| 18:51.56 | bartm | Yan^: you could try this: cdrecord dev=ATA:1,0,0 -scanbus |
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| 18:52.09 | servus | Dammit the entire city is out |
| 18:52.11 | servus | adios |
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| 18:52.19 | servus | (West Covina, CA for the interest) |
| 18:52.32 | abrotman | yay brownout! |
| 18:52.32 | linux2 | FUCK!!! i just lost all my backup files |
| 18:52.36 | stew | Yan^: modprobe sg |
| 18:52.38 | linux2 | what the hell |
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| 18:52.44 | bartm | linux2: hello too :( |
| 18:52.45 | Shadowcat | guk: the knowledge to roll back packages is kind of required |
| 18:52.49 | nvz | MoDaX: yeah thanks, I knew that much and I've done it 6 times now I think the problem here is the user.. heh |
| 18:52.53 | Shadowcat | especially if you break, say, coreutils |
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| 18:52.59 | rohan | MoDaX: something is fishy |
| 18:52.59 | Yan^ | bartm I have already tried this thanks a lot for the advice |
| 18:53.15 | linux2 | i backed up all my files on a dvd |
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| 18:53.19 | linux2 | and they are all gone :-( |
| 18:53.20 | Yan^ | rohan: any comments? |
| 18:53.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: IT SUCKS how could i even believe it would be fun like sliding/brake and other players: http://royale.zerezo.com/zerace/ |
| 18:53.26 | rohan | Yan^: about ? |
| 18:53.30 | linux2 | anyway i could recover them? |
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| 18:53.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: damn if only linux games could be like women |
| 18:53.35 | linux2 | i formatted this drive |
| 18:53.53 | Shadowcat | linux2: no |
| 18:53.56 | Yan^ | rohan: i tried to blank a cdrw and failed i citted the error messages above |
| 18:53.59 | linux2 | Shadowcat, why not> |
| 18:53.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: there's another game like that at happypenguin |
| 18:54.03 | rohan | MoDaX: i did get the shell after the proc error, i couldn't echo to or rm /dev/null and mount showed the / was mounted as rw,errors=remount-ro and manually remounting it as -o rw worked and i got no further errors |
| 18:54.03 | linux2 | i did a quick format |
| 18:54.08 | linux2 | so they should still be on there somewhere |
| 18:54.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll give up on linux games, they can't cook, can't look good and can't blow |
| 18:54.12 | linux2 | untill they are overwritten |
| 18:54.16 | rohan | Yan^: which error messages ? i missed them :S |
| 18:54.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: but is it fun to play with? |
| 18:54.30 | abrotman | it's ok |
| 18:54.35 | Shadowcat | linux2: quick formats are a windows terminology |
| 18:54.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: and it's not python? can you find it for me? |
| 18:54.43 | Shadowcat | which comes to the next question, are you even running debian right now? |
| 18:54.46 | Yan^ | rohan: rohan: the first error message is scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0 |
| 18:54.58 | linux2 | YAY!!! i found them |
| 18:55.01 | linux2 | now about amarok |
| 18:55.02 | Yan^ | rohan : then:/usr/bin/X11/cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg0'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 18:55.06 | stan-whitfield | tiny tiny footprint print server/spooler for 500 users and 2 dozen printers? photoshop jobs occasionally? Reference to a stripped down install just for print? |
| 18:55.06 | rohan | Yan^: in k3b ?! |
| 18:55.07 | linux2 | how do i go back to older version |
| 18:55.08 | stew | Yan^: modprobe sg |
| 18:55.10 | linux2 | amarok 1.9 |
| 18:55.11 | Yan^ | rohan yes |
| 18:55.12 | linux2 | 3.9 |
| 18:55.32 | stew | Yan^: is your cd drive scsi or ide or sata? |
| 18:55.33 | Yan^ | stew: gives empty |
| 18:55.37 | stew | Yan^: that's good |
| 18:55.39 | MoDaX | rohan: what error did echo give you? |
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| 18:55.41 | Yan^ | stew i do not know |
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| 18:55.48 | rohan | MoDaX: read only file system |
| 18:55.54 | stew | Yan^: then its almost definately ide, what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:56.16 | Yan^ | stew 2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 18:56.41 | Yan^ | stew i can tell you the names of the cd drive |
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| 18:56.54 | stew | Yan^: make sure you have the ide-cd module loaded and make sure you don't have ide-scsi loaded |
| 18:57.11 | rohan | MoDaX: errors=remount-ro ... is my fs corrupted or something ? :S |
| 18:57.17 | linux2 | i have searched everywhere for file download of debian packaged for 3.9 |
| 18:57.18 | max_m | How do I strip out the form feed and other weird control characters from RFC text files or otherwise neatly paginate them into PostScript or PDF? |
| 18:57.21 | linux2 | but i can't find them anywhere |
| 18:57.25 | stew | Yan^: that would be "modprobe -r ide-scsi ; modprobe ide-cd" |
| 18:57.32 | stew | Yan^: then tell me the output of "ls -l /dev/cdrom" |
| 18:57.33 | stan-whitfield | should i just net install the kernel and build from the ground up? for a very small footprint dedicated print server? |
| 18:57.33 | linux2 | i never had 3.9 on this machine so how can i rool back anyways |
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| 18:57.41 | MoDaX | rohan: hmmm, check if you have anything in /dev/ at all at that stage |
| 18:57.45 | Shadowcat | 3.9 |
| 18:57.45 | Shadowcat | ? |
| 18:57.49 | vlc2 | someone ever changed vlc fonts ? |
| 18:57.55 | Yan^ | stew ok |
| 18:57.55 | Shadowcat | !info amarok |
| 18:58.03 | MoDaX | rohan: there should be at least /dev/console /dev/null etc |
| 18:58.06 | stan-whitfield | can anyone point me to a how-to for this? |
| 18:58.09 | rohan | MoDaX: ok, and btw i get the sh prompt three times in the subsequent boot sequence after making the change you told me |
| 18:58.11 | Shadowcat | !test |
| 18:58.12 | dpkg | Sorry, shadowcat, I didn't get your test. |
| 18:58.17 | Shadowcat | !info amarok sid |
| 18:58.18 | lexton | do I have to install a package or compile from source to get the mysql include files? |
| 18:58.25 | rohan | MoDaX: no, at that time my /dev/ is a CHOCK FULL of entries |
| 18:58.27 | Shadowcat | did that get disabled or something? |
| 18:58.31 | Yan^ | stew FATAL: Module ide_scsi not found. |
| 18:58.39 | stew | Yan^: that's good |
| 18:58.57 | stew | Yan^: modprobe ide-cd ; then try whatever you were trying before |
| 18:59.03 | Yan^ | stew lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2006-06-14 20:02 /dev/cdrom -> scd0 |
| 18:59.23 | MoDaX | rohan: is there /dev/null amoung them :) does ls -l /dev/null now and then match? |
| 18:59.34 | Yan^ | stew modprobe ide-cd gives empty |
| 18:59.49 | stew | Yan^: that's fine, aparantly you have a scsi cdrom and not a ide cdrom |
| 18:59.50 | Yan^ | trying to blank the cdrw again |
| 19:00.05 | rohan | MoDaX: i remember from the fact that i did ls in /dev/ .. so it was chock full, but ls -l /dev/null was "-rw-r--r--" and owned by root:root |
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| 19:00.27 | sbk | Is futzing with net.ipv4.tcp_syn_retries pretty much the only way to reduce the (default?) tcp connection timeout? |
| 19:00.32 | nvz | heh I just crashed my irc client cause a shitty editor tried to overwrite its stack |
| 19:00.35 | linux2 | why don't font changes and theme changes in kde affect all applications? |
| 19:00.41 | linux2 | can anyone help me with this |
| 19:00.51 | linux2 | no only is the font microscopic in all apps other than kde apps |
| 19:00.51 | nvz | and the funny part is that windows didnt stop it |
| 19:00.59 | rohan | linux2: it will affect only kde applications |
| 19:01.02 | Shadowcat | because not all applications aren't based on qt, that's why |
| 19:01.02 | Yan^ | stew: by the way the k3b window got stuck. is there any "kill"? |
| 19:01.04 | linux2 | but the progress bars show up wrong (just grey) |
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| 19:01.04 | MoDaX | rohan: not good. it should be crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2006-06-14 18:44 /dev/null |
| 19:01.13 | Shadowcat | rohan: no it'll affect all QT apps |
| 19:01.13 | rohan | MoDaX: yes, strange :S |
| 19:01.16 | linux2 | rohan, not how it was in mandriva |
| 19:01.18 | MoDaX | rohan: stop udev |
| 19:01.19 | stew | Yan^: you could try "pkill k3b" to kill it |
| 19:01.20 | Shadowcat | but it won't affect GTK ones |
| 19:01.23 | rohan | MoDaX: its not even a device, its a normal file |
| 19:01.31 | Shadowcat | linux2: this isn't mandriva |
| 19:01.33 | linux2 | rohan, why does firefox look all boxie and bad with the grey progress bars |
| 19:01.34 | MoDaX | rohan: yeah |
| 19:01.36 | rohan | linux2: yes, since mandriva uses gtk-qt-engine |
| 19:01.38 | linux2 | are they just gtk defined |
| 19:01.45 | rohan | linux2: apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 19:01.50 | Yan^ | stew: yaaaa killed :) |
| 19:01.53 | rohan | MoDaX: how do i stop udev from in there ? |
| 19:01.54 | linux2 | rohan, i have that |
| 19:01.57 | MoDaX | rohan: it should be device with major=1 and minor=3 |
| 19:02.06 | Shadowcat | linux2: why are you running debian testing/unstable in the first place is what I want to know |
| 19:02.10 | MoDaX | rohan: /etc/init.d/udev stop |
| 19:02.20 | Shadowcat | since you seem very unsure of what you are doing in debian |
| 19:02.24 | linux2 | Shadowcat, because i want the latest software |
| 19:02.30 | alexandre | Hi, I got ssh connection from work to home, I'd like to use gui app. What is the best way ? rdesktop ... It is for mail, emacs and stuff that don't need lot of resources |
| 19:02.32 | Shadowcat | linux2: that's NOT a good enough reason |
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| 19:02.40 | MoDaX | rohan: was /dev/ unmounted? |
| 19:02.44 | Yan^ | stew: hmm Unable to find cdrdao executable |
| 19:02.44 | Yan^ | K3b uses cdrdao to actually write CDs. solution: Install the cdrdao package. should i? |
| 19:02.45 | Shadowcat | and is pretty much why I'm not very inclined to help you |
| 19:02.49 | linux2 | Shadowcat, well i like testing |
| 19:02.53 | rohan | linux2: then from kde control center -> appearance -> gtk progs set the theme for gtk apps to qt, specifically not to "use kde theme" |
| 19:02.55 | linux2 | Shadowcat, im running etch |
| 19:02.57 | Shadowcat | you don't know enough to be on the development versions of debian |
| 19:03.02 | rohan | MoDaX: ok, no /dev was mounted .. |
| 19:03.05 | stew | Yan^: sure apt-get install cdrdao |
| 19:03.10 | Yan^ | ok doin |
| 19:03.32 | stew | Yan^: if you have now gotten farther than you had previously, you should edit /etc/modules and add two lines: "sg" and "sr_mod" |
| 19:03.36 | rohan | MoDaX: i think udev is already stoppped in there since now on the running system its "crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2006-06-15 05:51 /dev/null" which is proper ofcourse |
| 19:03.43 | alexandre | I was thinking of setting up X, using rdesktop or finding something different. |
| 19:03.48 | Yan^ | stew wait 1 sec |
| 19:03.53 | apokryphos | how do you get the keycode of something that involves you pressing shift? |
| 19:04.09 | apokryphos | say, if I want to assign shift+7 to backslash |
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| 19:05.14 | MoDaX | rohan: sec |
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| 19:06.00 | stew | apokryphos: look at xkeycaps, xmodmap, and xev |
| 19:06.03 | vlc2 | someone ever changed vlc fonts ? |
| 19:06.12 | Yan^ | stew: it IS erasing :))) |
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| 19:06.29 | apokryphos | stew: that's what I'm using, but when I use xev, I only get the keycodes for each individual key (i.e. keycode for shift, keycode for 7) |
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| 19:07.06 | stew | apokryphos: thats correct |
| 19:07.22 | alexandre | can a X server display remote and local app on the same screen ? |
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| 19:07.40 | apokryphos | stew: so what would be the keycode for shit+7? |
| 19:07.46 | stew | apokryphos: the same as for 7 |
| 19:07.48 | apokryphos | or perhaps I just hav eto use a different syntax for keycombos |
| 19:07.55 | stew | apokryphos: are you creating an xmodmap file? |
| 19:08.03 | apokryphos | stew: yes |
| 19:08.35 | stew | apokryphos: "keycode 16 = 7 backslash" or something similar |
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| 19:08.50 | MoDaX | rohan: /etc/init.d/udev restart; mount /dev/hdc1 somewhere else with mount /dev/hdc1 /mount/point; and cp -f /dev/null /mount/point/dev/null |
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| 19:09.29 | Yan^ | stew: moreover it is WRITING! |
| 19:09.29 | apokryphos | stew: the syntax is keycode # = character |
| 19:09.35 | MoDaX | rohan: and finally unmount /mount/point |
| 19:09.38 | vlc2 | someone ever changed vlc fonts ? |
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| 19:09.55 | apokryphos | stew: but I don't know how to get the keycode for shift+7. If I put just the keycode of 7 in, then when I hit 7 it'll give a backslash, not when I hit shift+7..... |
| 19:10.09 | rohan | MoDaX: that would solve the problem "permanently" ? :) |
| 19:10.14 | stew | apokryphos: or "keycode # = character shiftedcharacter mode3shiftedcharacter" |
| 19:10.20 | MoDaX | rohan: yes |
| 19:10.53 | apokryphos | stew: aha, ok, I'll try that. |
| 19:11.13 | stew | apokryphos: for instance i have this in my .xmodmap "keycode 16 = 7 ampersand" i also have "keycode 26 = e E EuroSign" |
| 19:11.20 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.23 | rohan | MoDaX: thansk ! but for my reference, what caused the error ? |
| 19:11.43 | Yan^ | stew: 10000 thanx! trying to burn iso's to see how it works |
| 19:12.02 | stew | Yan^: don't forget to edit /etc/modules, or you'll be back where you started after a reboot |
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| 19:12.17 | rohan | MoDaX: and will future yaird upgrades cause the problem to reoccur ? and why did the problem not occur in initramfs-tools ? |
| 19:12.20 | Yan^ | stew: wait, what should i do there? sorry |
| 19:12.33 | MoDaX | rohan: /dev/null was not a device. how it became such I have no clue :) |
| 19:12.38 | stew | Yan^: add two lines "sg" and "sr_mod" |
| 19:12.39 | Yan^ | ok sg and all this |
| 19:13.06 | MoDaX | rohan: I guess initramfs starts udev in initrd |
| 19:13.12 | rohan | MoDaX: oh ok |
| 19:13.29 | rohan | MoDaX: and, which file had you told me to edit, to add /bin/sh ? |
| 19:13.29 | apokryphos | stew: I use xmodmap for quite a few keys (unfortunately using US keyboard with GB layout), but haven't done it for shift. If I do keycode 49 = shiftedbackslash (as mentioned above), I get a syntactical error. Where should I look? |
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| 19:14.06 | MoDaX | rohan: /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
| 19:14.06 | stew | apokryphos: is keycode 49 your 7 key? |
| 19:14.12 | rohan | MoDaX: ok :) |
| 19:14.18 | lexton | do I have to install a package or compile from source to get the mysql include files? |
| 19:14.28 | apokryphos | stew: 7 was just an example, it's actually another key. But shift+thatkey is what I want to produce the backslash, yes. |
| 19:14.47 | Yan^ | stew, ok rebooting |
| 19:14.48 | stew | apokryphos: what do you want it to do if you don't hit shift, just the key? |
| 19:14.49 | apokryphos | stew: 49 is that key's keycode |
| 19:14.54 | MoDaX | rohan: just reinstall initscripts :) |
| 19:14.57 | abrotman | lexton: apt-cache search -- mysql -dev |
| 19:15.05 | apokryphos | stew: nothing, I already have it assigned to another character. |
| 19:15.09 | rohan | MoDaX: yes wanted to do dpkg -S on the file to find ;) |
| 19:15.11 | stew | apokryphos: what character? |
| 19:15.18 | apokryphos | stew: bar |
| 19:15.23 | stew | apokryphos: "keycode 49 = bar backslash" |
| 19:15.32 | apokryphos | ahh |
| 19:15.42 | rohan | brb, thanks a LOT, MoDaX :) |
| 19:15.57 | apokryphos | stew: perfect, thank you :) |
| 19:16.14 | linux2 | anyone know why i can't eject a CD by pressing the eject button? |
| 19:16.17 | MoDaX | rohan: test if it actually helped :) |
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| 19:16.22 | linux2 | i have to go and type eject? |
| 19:16.33 | linux2 | can someone help me with getting it to i can just press the button |
| 19:16.42 | stew | linux2: do you have the cd in the drive mounted? |
| 19:17.01 | linux2 | stew, yeah |
| 19:17.16 | stew | linux2: that's why, if you unmount it, you will be able to eject it with the button |
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| 19:17.47 | linux2 | stew, can i make it do that automatically |
| 19:18.10 | linux2 | stew, it auto mounts it |
| 19:18.14 | Gnea | linux2: standard locking procedure, you can't eject a cdrom until it's unmounted. |
| 19:18.18 | stew | linux2: what is it? |
| 19:18.23 | stew | linux2: gnome-volume-manager? |
| 19:18.41 | linux2 | stew, im in kde |
| 19:18.51 | stew | linux2: what is auto mounting it? |
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| 19:18.52 | linux2 | i have mandriva and i could auto-unmount it |
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| 19:19.11 | kepht | when running menuconfig, there a way to change default colors, yellow-hilight isn't showing so well |
| 19:19.12 | stew | linux2: you are running mandriva? |
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| 19:19.35 | Gnea | kepht: what's your terminal type set to? |
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| 19:20.01 | kepht | Gnea: rxvt |
| 19:20.17 | Gnea | kepht: that's the product of echo $TERM? |
| 19:20.23 | kepht | yup |
| 19:20.39 | Gnea | try export TERM=xterm && make menuconfig |
| 19:20.54 | kepht | hmm, don't have xterm installed |
| 19:21.05 | Gnea | you don't seem to understand |
| 19:21.08 | Gnea | it's not a program |
| 19:21.14 | Gnea | it's a terminal "type" |
| 19:21.26 | kepht | oook |
| 19:21.38 | Gnea | it's like a translator |
| 19:21.47 | bartm | linux2: maybe adding the "user" option in /etc/fstab makes that you don't need root to umount the cdrom, see "man mount" |
| 19:22.15 | linux2 | stew, no i just deleted mandriva (thankfully) |
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| 19:22.24 | kepht | Gnea: still getting same colors, hard to see with yellow highlight on light background |
| 19:22.25 | Shadowcat | bartm, Gnea, stew: linux2 is running debian etch too, and I told him earlier that I didn't think he should be on etch |
| 19:22.25 | bartm | linux2: then maybe you have some way with right-clicking on some icon to umount the cdrom and eject it |
| 19:22.51 | Shadowcat | bartm: this problem he has is just a symptom of a much larger problem, he's in etch while he should clearly be on sarge |
| 19:23.20 | bartm | Shadowcat: noted :) |
| 19:23.29 | Gnea | Shadowcat: roger that |
| 19:23.39 | bartm | linux2: are you familiar with editing /etc/fstab ? |
| 19:23.55 | linux2 | bartm, yeah |
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| 19:24.03 | m0Zzg | http://linuxff.org.ru |
| 19:24.05 | linux2 | bartm, also how do i change what browser thunderbird opens with |
| 19:24.18 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 19:24.20 | bartm | linux2: that is with "update-alternatives" and then some option |
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| 19:24.31 | Shadowcat | thunderbird is NOT a browser |
| 19:24.35 | Shadowcat | thunderbird is an email client |
| 19:24.36 | Gnea | kepht: any luck? i really don't see much yellow, except for keywords - that's fairly normal |
| 19:24.54 | linux2 | Shadowcat, i meant how to change what browser thunderbird opens when you click on a link in thunderbird |
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| 19:25.03 | blondie | TARD |
| 19:25.05 | alexandre | I set ForwardX11 yes in my .ssh/ssh_config file, then ssh to an host and typed emacs, I was expecting to get gui emacs but it was only "console". What did I missed ? |
| 19:25.08 | bartm | linux2: i thought you meant something like that :) |
| 19:25.09 | kepht | no, result was the same, hard to see yellow high-lighted characters |
| 19:25.17 | kepht | Gnea: ^ |
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| 19:25.28 | linux2 | bartm, so its with update-alternatives |
| 19:25.36 | Shadowcat | because that can easily be changed around in KDE even without update-alternatives |
| 19:25.52 | bartm | alexandre: I remember something like "ssh -X ...", maybe in the man page ? |
| 19:26.04 | Gnea | kepht: what font are you using? |
| 19:26.07 | Shadowcat | ssh -X is right |
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| 19:26.10 | stew | alexandre: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 19:26.17 | Shadowcat | but you might have to force emacs to run in gui mode |
| 19:26.23 | snooplsm | guys i'm having trouble finding base config again... my first install didn't install kde or anything good |
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| 19:26.31 | alexandre | bartm: I thought you didn't need -X if you had forwardX11 in ssh_config |
| 19:26.50 | Yan^ | stew: all works fine ! thanx. it was very efficient |
| 19:26.51 | bartm | alexandre: I'm not sure, but I guess it's in the man page :) |
| 19:26.51 | stew | snooplsm: run aptitude, to to tasks, then user, then choose kde desktop |
| 19:26.54 | kepht | Gnea: fixed font i think |
| 19:26.57 | stew | Yan^: you're welcome |
| 19:27.13 | snooplsm | stew, all I have is a command prompt... |
| 19:27.25 | alexandre | stew: thanks, I missed half of the installation :-) |
| 19:27.25 | kepht | Gnea: i don't know much about the fonts, and they are messed up from bad upgrade to xorg7.0 this morning |
| 19:27.46 | kepht | Gnea: i'm still fixing things |
| 19:27.47 | snooplsm | if I put the first dvd in my drive and load off the dvd, will that allow me to run base config?? |
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| 19:27.54 | rohan | MoDaX: it isnt working |
| 19:27.57 | bartm | snooplsm: wasn't base-config removed? |
| 19:27.57 | stew | alexandre: type "aptitude, go to tasks, then user then desktop, select kde desktop, then hit g" |
| 19:28.04 | alexandre | bartm: "/msg dpkg sshx" was helpful, you were right and I need to install more stuff. |
| 19:28.15 | stew | alexandre: not you |
| 19:28.23 | Gnea | kepht: did you read the website? |
| 19:28.24 | stew | snooplsm: type "aptitude, go to tasks, then user then desktop, select kde desktop, then hit g" |
| 19:28.49 | kepht | did i read the website..? |
| 19:28.49 | rohan | MoDaX: 1) /etc/init.d/udev restart --> needs to be start, it needs /sys mounted (which i do manually) .. but then, acc. to your instructions, i am not able to mount /dev/hdc1 elsewhere, since it is already mounted on / .. |
| 19:28.50 | linux2 | bartlebee, i don't see update-alternatives |
| 19:28.53 | rohan | MoDaX: what do i do now :S |
| 19:28.54 | torgeir | does anyone know why I get segmentation fault when trying to load ftsata2.ko? |
| 19:28.56 | Gnea | !xorg7 |
| 19:28.56 | dpkg | Find some solutions at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 in order to fix problems from 6.9 to 7 |
| 19:29.04 | linux2 | bartm, i don't see upate-alternatives |
| 19:29.07 | kepht | didn't know about that, Gnea |
| 19:29.17 | Gnea | :) |
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| 19:30.02 | bartm | linux2: it's in the dpkg package, so it should be there |
| 19:30.11 | bartm | linux2: log in as root, and then it's in the path |
| 19:30.23 | linux2 | bartm, so install it |
| 19:30.34 | linux2 | does this fix the problem with thunderbird or with the cdrom drive |
| 19:30.37 | Shadowcat | bartm: see why we're steering clear of linux2? |
| 19:30.48 | bartm | linux2: try /usr/sbin/update-alternatives |
| 19:31.08 | bartm | Shadowcat: you're completely free to help anyone you want to help (and not...not...) |
| 19:31.23 | linux2 | bartm, ok i found it |
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| 19:32.22 | kepht | Gnea: yea, i caught more than half of those bugs, still cleanin up |
| 19:32.28 | rohan | MoDaX: so the only problem that remains is how to mount a fs thats already mounted as / to some other place :S |
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| 19:33.06 | Gnea | kepht: good luck |
| 19:33.15 | kepht | anyway, still looking for a solution to menuconfig colors |
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| 19:33.35 | kepht | or, how to get gconfig/xconfig working |
| 19:33.52 | Shadowcat | kepht: install kernel-package |
| 19:34.03 | Shadowcat | !tell kepht about kernel-package |
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| 19:34.37 | m0Zzg | http://linuxff.org.ru/forum |
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| 19:34.38 | stew | kepht: if you look at the Suggests: for the kernel source package it will tell you which qt package you need for xconfig |
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| 19:35.00 | Shadowcat | actually if you install kernel-package it'll pull all those dependencies down with it |
| 19:35.02 | Md | does anybody want to speculate about why DRI does not work anymore on my system? the X log (xorg from unstable, ATI 7200SE with the free driver) says that it's enabled, but glxinfo that it's not |
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| 19:35.12 | kepht | Shadowcat: yea, got all that, trying to customize my kernel |
| 19:35.21 | Shadowcat | Md: since you're staff, can ya ban m0Zzg (n=m0zg@80.71.242.130) |
| 19:35.25 | Shadowcat | spammer |
| 19:35.25 | unstable | Md: dpkg -al|grep -i mesa |
| 19:35.29 | unstable | Md: #flood |
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| 19:35.44 | stew | Md: do you ahve libglu1-xorg installed? |
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| 19:36.02 | Yan^ | stew: as an exercise I will now try to make the cdrecord work on another machine,desktop this time |
| 19:36.08 | stew | everyone stop bad talking udev for a few moments :) |
| 19:36.17 | hareldvd | I'm a newbie. Which package name is for pure-ftp? how do I list them? |
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| 19:36.38 | kepht | what is linux-source, doesn't exist |
| 19:36.46 | unstable | !tell hareldvd about apt-cache |
| 19:36.54 | stew | kepht: which kernel are you trying to compile? |
| 19:37.01 | Md | Shadowcat: I am not staff for this channel, so not really unless he is seriously messing with it |
| 19:37.03 | kepht | 2.6.16.20 |
| 19:37.03 | stew | kepht: and what version of debian |
| 19:37.06 | kepht | testing |
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| 19:37.20 | rohan | !tell kepht about custom kernel |
| 19:37.27 | bartm | hareldvd: try this: apt-cache search pure-ftp |
| 19:37.34 | Eulex | kepht, apt-cache search linux-source |
| 19:37.45 | stew | kepht: apt-cache show linux-source-2.6.15 ; look at the Suggests |
| 19:38.00 | hareldvd | unstable: bartm: Thanks. |
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| 19:38.35 | kepht | rohan: appreciate the help, but one-size does not fit all |
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| 19:38.35 | unstable | Md: apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 19:38.43 | stew | Shadowcat: i'm /msging m0Zzg |
| 19:38.45 | kepht | stew: ok |
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| 19:39.07 | Md | unstable: I'm installing it, thank you |
| 19:39.37 | unstable | Md: You shouldn't even have to restart X |
| 19:39.41 | rohan | kepht: what special things do you need in the kernel ? if its stuff like squashfs or something, yea, you'd need a custom kernel, anyway, not discouraging or anything, just wanted to warn ya |
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| 19:39.54 | kronoz | what kde ver is in sarge? 3.3.2? 3.4.2? |
| 19:39.57 | kepht | rohan: low latency for one thing |
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| 19:40.12 | rohan | !info kdebase sarge |
| 19:40.24 | Morden | Anyone knows why whois 210.92.169.254 isn't retunring also the inetnum but when I do a whois lookup from the apnic website the inet num is returned as well as other data? |
| 19:40.54 | kronoz | rohan, that'll take forever for dpkg to work out |
| 19:41.11 | Eulex | Morden, I get the correct info, lots of it's in korean, though |
| 19:41.14 | abrotman | ~info kdebase sarge |
| 19:41.15 | rohan | awww.. but its 3.3.x kronoz |
| 19:41.22 | kepht | stew: Package libqt-mt-dev has no installation candidate |
| 19:41.27 | kronoz | rohan, ok thanks |
| 19:41.29 | Morden | Eulex: Do you get the inetnum? |
| 19:41.41 | Md | Morden: whois --verbose. it's querying the krnic server |
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| 19:41.51 | Eulex | Morden, umh, sorry, I dunno what an inetnum is |
| 19:41.59 | rohan | kronoz: tho' there are backports of latest versions available iirc |
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| 19:42.41 | Morden | Eulex: Inetnum shows the block range where the IP is in it |
| 19:43.16 | snooplsm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUqmFdmm4ME |
| 19:43.37 | Shadowcat | kepht: libqt3-mt-dev |
| 19:43.39 | abrotman | snooplsm: wrong channel |
| 19:43.39 | Eulex | Morden, nope, I didn't |
| 19:43.43 | bartm | Morden: whois works here fine on that ip address, and there's a section in english about the isp - so your question is about whois? :) |
| 19:43.46 | Morden | Eulex: In this case it is: 210.92.169.192 - 210.92.169.255 |
| 19:43.53 | stew | kepht: what command did you type to get that error? |
| 19:44.03 | Morden | no, I wonder why I don't get the inetnum when I do a whois on that IP |
| 19:44.06 | Shadowcat | stew: he's trying to install a virtual package |
| 19:44.10 | Shadowcat | I just told him what he needed |
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| 19:44.21 | kepht | stew, Shadowcat ..sorry, it was a typo |
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| 19:45.53 | bartm | Morden: maybe the structure of the information retrieved differs per whois server or area in the world, no idea |
| 19:45.58 | kepht | stew, Shadowcat ..ok, thanks!! ..now have working xconfig |
| 19:46.27 | bartm | Morden: maybe specific to KRNIC |
| 19:46.38 | Morden | bartm: this kinda sux :( |
| 19:46.49 | bartm | Morden: why does it suck? :) |
| 19:48.05 | Morden | bartm: because I want to block the whole range and not just single IPs that spam on my site :) |
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| 19:48.43 | Devass | how to enable ip_forward on sarge? |
| 19:49.07 | Devass | it say /etc/network/options is now deprecated |
| 19:49.17 | Devass | please help |
| 19:49.19 | stew | Devass: its deprecated in favor of sysctl.conf |
| 19:49.35 | Devass | stew so now, how to enable ip forward? |
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| 19:49.43 | stew | Devass: but /etc/network/options will still function for the forseeable future |
| 19:50.07 | stew | Devass: uncomment the ip_forward=1 line |
| 19:51.15 | Devass | stew tks man |
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| 19:51.55 | gniretar | hi all |
| 19:52.14 | Yan^ | stew: i am trying to make cdrecord work on another comp. however the results are not exacly the same. it says /dev/cdrom -> hdc does it mean that this is a ide cdrom? |
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| 19:52.51 | gniretar | hey i'm creating a new init schipt based on /etc/init.d/skeleton and i need to pass the program i'm starting a command line switch. How do i do it? |
| 19:53.13 | linux2 | ok i updated alternatives |
| 19:53.24 | linux2 | but it still opens up in the gnome web browser |
| 19:53.30 | gniretar | whenever i just append the argument (-D in this case) i get file not found errors |
| 19:53.31 | linux2 | how would i change it system wide to firefox |
| 19:54.22 | rohan | how do i search for factoids ? i want the one about new udev version or something |
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| 19:54.31 | stew | Yan^: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:55.04 | Yan^ | 2.6.15-1-686 (wat does it mean btw?? :) |
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| 19:55.13 | MoDaX | rohan: btw, if everything is OK, don't forget to close the bug. I don't think it's a problem in yaird |
| 19:55.28 | rohan | MoDaX: yes, but its not ok, as i said above |
| 19:55.41 | rohan | 11:58 < rohan> MoDaX: it isnt working |
| 19:55.47 | rohan | 11:59 < rohan> MoDaX: 1) /etc/init.d/udev restart --> needs to be start, it needs /sys mounted (which i do manually) .. but then, acc. to your instructions, i am not able to mount /dev/hdc1 elsewhere, since it is already mounted on / .. |
| 19:55.58 | rohan | MoDaX: and yes, even i think its not a yaird bug |
| 19:56.00 | stew | Yan^: its the kernel version (the important thing here is that its 2.6 and not 2.4). so you need to make sure ide-cd is loaded, and ide-scsi is not (modprobe -r ide-scsi ; modrpboe ide-cd) |
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| 19:56.15 | NickDangr | hiya folks |
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| 19:56.48 | NickDangr | I'm doing a quick survey - what is your preferred brand of router? |
| 19:56.55 | gniretar | Cisco |
| 19:57.01 | USmarine | how can i make alsamixer to save volume settings |
| 19:57.06 | gniretar | Cisco gear rocks |
| 19:57.09 | USmarine | and not lose them with a reboot? |
| 19:57.12 | stew | rohan: "listkeys foo" and "listvalues foo" if you get more results than it will display, try http://dpkg.vireo.org |
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| 19:57.16 | USmarine | NickDangr, linksys |
| 19:57.21 | MoDaX | rohan: eh, when did you do these steps? I should them now, when your system is up and running :) |
| 19:57.28 | stew | USmarine: alsactl store |
| 19:57.33 | ChrisW | if I got a usb SD card reader, how and where would I look to mount it up under debian? |
| 19:57.40 | rohan | MoDaX: err.. i must do all that when the sys is up and running ?! |
| 19:57.41 | USmarine | stew, root or user? |
| 19:57.43 | Yan^ | stew: well it erases ok even without whatever , now trying to write |
| 19:57.45 | stew | USmarine: root |
| 19:57.51 | NickDangr | thanks gniretar, USmarine |
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| 19:57.53 | stew | ChrisW: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 19:57.58 | rohan | MoDaX: i thought i must do it from the shell i get after the proc error |
| 19:58.05 | abrotman | NickDangr: wrong channel |
| 19:58.06 | rohan | thanks stew |
| 19:58.19 | NickDangr | lol abrotman - what's the best channel for it? |
| 19:58.21 | MoDaX | rohan: no :) do this now :) |
| 19:58.32 | abrotman | NickDangr: maybe #hardware .. but that might not be it either |
| 19:58.37 | NickDangr | hm |
| 19:58.47 | NickDangr | I'll give it a shot. Maybe there's a networking channel too. |
| 19:58.54 | rohan | MoDaX: still the error persists .. the /dev/hdc1 is already mounted |
| 19:58.57 | NickDangr | Thanks (slapping forehead for not looking over the /list ) |
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| 19:59.58 | ChrisW | stew: thanks ,but how do I find otu what device it is? (ie: /dev/sda1, etc) |
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| 20:00.24 | stew | ChrisW: do you have "hal" installed? |
| 20:00.30 | rohan | MoDaX: errr, my bad it worked |
| 20:00.35 | stew | ChrisW: you can check dmesg after you attach it |
| 20:00.38 | rohan | MoDaX: but i think the problem is still there, see |
| 20:00.42 | USmarine | why the hell doesn eclipse need the moziila browser? |
| 20:00.46 | ChrisW | stew: ah, cool, new I'd done that before... |
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| 20:01.05 | rohan | MoDaX: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZvasvW46.html |
| 20:01.18 | stew | ChrisW: if you have hal running you can run "lshal --monitor" and see what comes out when you plug it in |
| 20:01.40 | rohan | MoDaX: i think cp is turning it into a normal file :S |
| 20:01.54 | MoDaX | rohan: mmm |
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| 20:02.24 | rohan | MoDaX: any more ideas ? i desperately need them :) |
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| 20:03.27 | MoDaX | rohan: rm that faulty dev/null |
| 20:03.42 | rohan | MoDaX: ok |
| 20:04.26 | rohan | MoDaX: http://rafb.net/paste/results/25iUat61.html |
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| 20:05.56 | rohan | MoDaX: in short, didnt work :S |
| 20:06.08 | MoDaX | rohan: I'm trying to figure out how to create device. has something to do with makedev |
| 20:06.20 | rohan | MoDaX: :o ok.. |
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| 20:06.38 | rohan | MoDaX: MAKEDEV you mean ? |
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| 20:06.44 | thefish | impsiible |
| 20:06.46 | MoDaX | rohan: yeah |
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| 20:07.10 | keNzi | hi, how i can save settings in gconf-editor ? |
| 20:07.13 | remoterr | hi, there's a way to remotely see and ctrl my debian ? |
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| 20:08.01 | rohan | remoterr: yes, read up on ssh |
| 20:08.28 | remoterr | with ssh i can see the desktop ? i wann do remote ctrl with windows as client machine |
| 20:08.31 | MoDaX | rohan: rm /mnt/iso/dev/null ; /sbin/MAKEDEV /mnt/iso/dev/null |
| 20:08.34 | rohan | MoDaX: so what you basically want to do is create a proper device in /mnt/iso/dev for null, i.e. when udev is not active i get a proper /dev/null |
| 20:08.48 | rohan | /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "/mnt/iso/dev/null" |
| 20:08.57 | MoDaX | rohan: yeah |
| 20:09.06 | stew | rohan: cd /mnt/iso/dev ; /sbin/MAKEDEV null |
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| 20:09.07 | rohan | remoterr: no, it's cli only, no gui |
| 20:09.17 | remoterr | there's a gui ? |
| 20:09.43 | rohan | YAY excellent :) |
| 20:09.48 | rohan | thanks a LOT stew and MoDaX |
| 20:09.59 | rohan | how do i check whether it works or no ? reboot ? :-/ |
| 20:10.11 | MoDaX | rohan: yep |
| 20:10.47 | rohan | well, here goes .. |
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| 20:11.51 | unstable | When I have an old dsa key in .ssh/known_hosts what is the ssh command to connect to the ip, and overwrite the old dsa key? |
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| 20:13.38 | remoterr | there's a gui-remote desktop ? |
| 20:15.02 | abrotman | man ssh ? |
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| 20:15.19 | rohan | it worked ! it worked ! yay, thanks a LOT stew and MoDaX :)) |
| 20:15.27 | rohan | now someone please tell me how to close a bug :) |
| 20:15.39 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org tells you how |
| 20:15.42 | stew | unstable: you mean erase a host key from the local known_hosts? |
| 20:15.45 | torgeir | rohan: have you looked at the paste? |
| 20:15.50 | unstable | stew yes |
| 20:16.02 | bartm | rohan: send an e-mail to bugnumer-done@debian.org |
| 20:16.07 | unstable | stew: I vi'd the file, but it looks encrypted. I can't see any ip listed and I can just delete that line |
| 20:16.14 | rohan | torgeir: yes, but i am unable to understand anything .. sorry i cant help you more :( |
| 20:16.20 | bartm | rohan: try that on a few of my bugs :) |
| 20:16.23 | stew | unstable: ssh-keygen -R hostname |
| 20:16.26 | unstable | stew: And I'm fishing around the ssh man page, but I don't think an option exists. I think you're supposed to remove the line manually |
| 20:16.28 | rohan | lol, bartm |
| 20:16.36 | unstable | thanks stew |
| 20:16.44 | rohan | bartm: a blank email will do ? what if i want to put some reason or how i fixed ? |
| 20:16.49 | MoDaX | rohan: np |
| 20:17.10 | bartm | rohan: you're supposed to explain why you close the bug; well it's explained on http://bugs.debian.org |
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| 20:17.12 | abrotman | rohan: was the bug your fault? |
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| 20:17.57 | MoDaX | rohan: explain why you are closing in the mail. it will be sent to BTS and yaird maintainer |
| 20:17.58 | rohan | abrotman: yes, partly |
| 20:17.59 | stew | unstable: also, when you have it complain that the key doesn't match it gives you a line number, you can use sed to easily remove that line number |
| 20:18.13 | rohan | bartm: ok, i will rtfm :) |
| 20:18.18 | abrotman | rohan: i mean .. is it something the maintainer could avoid in some whay? |
| 20:18.19 | abrotman | way? |
| 20:18.41 | rohan | abrotman: no, maintainer of yaird can do nothing for it, its a 'bogus' bug |
| 20:19.18 | abrotman | rohan: close it and tell him you're a tard :) |
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| 20:19.28 | rohan | abrotman: thats what i am doing ;) |
| 20:20.33 | Yan^ | stew: it works! however i did not change /etc/modules |
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| 20:22.24 | rohan | ok sent a mail to |
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| 20:22.33 | rohan | bugno and bugno-done both |
| 20:23.43 | exalted | Hi. Which package(s) should i consider to install on testing version to get work 3D hardware accelaration on my "Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device"? Thank you for your attention. |
| 20:24.08 | stew | exalted: /msg dpkg xorg7 |
| 20:24.17 | rohan | exalted: the i810 driver .. see man i810 for instructions on enabling acceleration |
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| 20:24.49 | rohan | anyway, gotta get going, to late in the night .. thanks for the help ya all, and have a nice day :) |
| 20:25.05 | exalted | thank you Stew and rohan. |
| 20:25.44 | snooplsm | how can I determine my video card in debian? |
| 20:25.57 | torgeir | lspci |
| 20:25.58 | snooplsm | obviously its not installed properly since i only get 800x600 |
| 20:26.22 | typewriter | is there a install log |
| 20:26.26 | typewriter | to see what you recently apt-get installed? |
| 20:26.40 | bartm | snooplsm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 20:27.05 | snooplsm | i have an ati radeon rv350ap |
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| 20:27.48 | exalted | stew, are you sure that my problem is related to the version 7 of Xorg? |
| 20:27.52 | abrotman | typewriter: which version of debian ? |
| 20:27.57 | typewriter | sarge |
| 20:28.00 | abrotman | typewriter: no |
| 20:28.00 | bartm | typewriter: maybe /var/log/dpkg.log is what you're looking for? |
| 20:28.05 | abrotman | bartm: not in sarge |
| 20:28.15 | typewriter | well fuck |
| 20:28.24 | abrotman | why? |
| 20:28.28 | bartm | abrotman: oh my, who uses sarge :) |
| 20:28.29 | stew | exalted: i'm sure that page has a section about getting 3d working with xorg7 and i810 |
| 20:28.35 | abrotman | bartm: i do .. on servers |
| 20:28.41 | exalted | stew, okay, thank you. |
| 20:28.50 | bartm | abrotman: just kidding of course, sarge is really good |
| 20:28.50 | abrotman | stew: the 69to7 does |
| 20:28.57 | abrotman | bartm: slacker .. get back to work! |
| 20:29.01 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 20:29.07 | typewriter | i forgot to write down new files i installed |
| 20:29.14 | typewriter | now i want to uninstall them |
| 20:29.19 | abrotman | stew: we should tell exalted :) |
| 20:29.20 | typewriter | but i dont remember them all |
| 20:29.25 | stew | abrotman: we did |
| 20:29.30 | abrotman | try deborphan and debfoster |
| 20:29.40 | abrotman | stew: oh ..we should tell him again! :) |
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| 20:29.54 | linux2 | how would i add firefox to update alternatives? |
| 20:30.01 | stew | linux2: apt-get install firefox |
| 20:30.04 | linux2 | update-alternatives --install? |
| 20:30.11 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 20:30.12 | linux2 | stew, i already have firefox |
| 20:30.23 | stew | linux2: then it shoudl be listed as an alternative for x-www-browser |
| 20:30.23 | linux2 | Shadowcat, am i annoying you? |
| 20:30.25 | Shadowcat | linux2: have you read update-alternatives? |
| 20:30.32 | linux2 | stew, it isn't |
| 20:30.36 | Shadowcat | man update-alternatives even |
| 20:30.40 | linux2 | Shadowcat, yep |
| 20:30.46 | linux2 | didn't make much sense to me |
| 20:30.56 | linux2 | Shadowcat, this is my first time using debian |
| 20:30.58 | stew | linux2: what version of the firefox package do you have install |
| 20:31.00 | linux2 | so im still getting used to it |
| 20:31.08 | Shadowcat | linux2: and the first thing you do is install testing |
| 20:31.15 | Shadowcat | see why I'm just a wee bit annoyed? |
| 20:31.21 | Shadowcat | you should be on sarge |
| 20:31.26 | stew | Shadowcat: if he's annoying you please use /ignire |
| 20:31.26 | linux2 | stew, 1.5.0.3 |
| 20:31.29 | stew | err /ignore |
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| 20:31.42 | linux2 | Shadowcat, why is that? |
| 20:31.44 | Shadowcat | stew: he's not annoying, I just don't think he should be on testing |
| 20:31.51 | snooplsm | for my ati driver, is there a program that will fetch this for me.. or should I go to the ati website. |
| 20:31.52 | jplibre | hahahah, my aterm cannot handle fast scrolling - weird issue, wherein if I have a lot of test being displayed the terminal just dies |
| 20:31.52 | linux2 | Shadowcat, i don't get the latest software with sarge |
| 20:31.59 | stew | Shadowcat: what is annoying you then? |
| 20:32.01 | jplibre | s/test/text/ |
| 20:32.02 | Shadowcat | linux2: because testing introduces A LOT of potential problems, and you're not qualified to solve them |
| 20:32.17 | Shadowcat | and you can't just ask about every little problem you have in here |
| 20:32.26 | linux2 | Shadowcat, well wouldn't i have this problem on sarge? |
| 20:32.26 | Shadowcat | well... you can... but pretty soon people will get tired of you |
| 20:32.26 | stew | linux2: linux2 dpkg-reconfigure firefox |
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| 20:32.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.bash.org/?38659 |
| 20:32.42 | stew | Shadowcat: if you are tired of him use ignore, or drop it, or both |
| 20:32.48 | Shadowcat | linux2: no probably not |
| 20:32.59 | snooplsm | stew if those commands you give out don't work in terminal... dpkg must be installed? |
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| 20:33.07 | jonathan` | tarzeau, lol |
| 20:33.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: is that you? |
| 20:33.11 | linux2 | stew, nope no luck |
| 20:33.14 | linux2 | still nothing |
| 20:33.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: nah! |
| 20:33.25 | linux2 | i uninstalled the browser that thunderbird was linking to |
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| 20:33.36 | linux2 | and now thunderbird does nothing when i click on a link in an email |
| 20:33.51 | abrotman | linux2: that has nothing to do with update-alternatives |
| 20:33.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: [Act: 263,286,507,725,1775,1828,1834,1856,1934,2000,2002] |
| 20:33.55 | bartm | linux2: apt-get install firefox && update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 20:34.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: wow it can do more than 2000 |
| 20:34.22 | linux2 | There is only 1 program which provides x-www-browser |
| 20:34.22 | linux2 | (/usr/bin/konqueror). Nothing to configure. |
| 20:34.36 | tarzeau | linux2: yeah thunderbird is broken |
| 20:34.39 | tarzeau | linux2: so is firefox |
| 20:34.51 | stew | linux2: try dpkg-reconfigure firefox |
| 20:34.57 | tarzeau | linux2: really you must write your own scripts and prefs.js to support it other settings |
| 20:35.00 | tarzeau | stew: forget it |
| 20:35.04 | Shadowcat | along with a lot of other things in etch and sid, which is why I don't think you should be on etch |
| 20:35.07 | stew | tarzeau: what? |
| 20:35.11 | tarzeau | stew: you can NOT easily configure what browser/mailer firefox/thunderbird opens |
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| 20:35.22 | linux2 | tarzeau, i did add the scripts i found on a website |
| 20:35.25 | linux2 | and they claim they work |
| 20:35.27 | linux2 | but nope |
| 20:35.28 | abrotman | linux2: it has nothing to do with update-alternatives |
| 20:35.28 | linux2 | nothing |
| 20:35.34 | abrotman | LALALA .. NOTHING .. |
| 20:35.34 | stew | tarzeau: what does that have to do with x-www-browser?: |
| 20:35.47 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: actually if Thunderbird goes through the KDE subsystem it should use konqueror, which it does |
| 20:35.49 | tarzeau | stew: 22:33 < linux2> and now thunderbird does nothing when i click on a link in an email |
| 20:35.57 | tarzeau | stew: did you actually read what he said? |
| 20:36.10 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: dunno i don't have kde, #debian-kde |
| 20:36.13 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: that's new to me |
| 20:36.28 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: linux2 has kde, and before this question he had one about changing the default browser... |
| 20:36.29 | Shadowcat | etc... |
| 20:36.30 | stew | tarzeau: < stew> linux2: then it shoudl be listed as an alternative for x-www-browser < linux2> stew, it isn't |
| 20:36.33 | typewriter | is there a program that organizes system administration notes well like in windows 2003, where today i rebooted because of so and so, and i installed X at this time |
| 20:36.40 | typewriter | and then all other admins can read it and get up to date? |
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| 20:37.01 | Shadowcat | typewriter: Windows organizes system administration notes? |
| 20:37.13 | linux2 | thanks bartm it works now |
| 20:37.14 | typewriter | well, it a sense, it's integrated with logs |
| 20:37.14 | linux2 | :-) |
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| 20:37.18 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: kde affects the default browser of thunderbird? i doubt |
| 20:37.21 | bartm | linux2: cool :) |
| 20:37.27 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: look thunderbird doesn't know kde exists |
| 20:37.30 | guk | it does in 2k3 ... I don't even think 2k3 will let you shutdown without putting a log why |
| 20:37.51 | jonathan` | guk, yeah - it won't. and it annoys the hell out of me |
| 20:37.55 | unstable | If I remotely connect to a server, how can I see if grub is password protected(ie if someone tries to change boot options(single user mode) then they need a password. |
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| 20:38.00 | jonathan` | one of the doctor's offices we do work for has a 2k3 server.. i fucking hate it |
| 20:38.04 | unstable | Is this option in /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 20:38.04 | linux2 | well i have work now but i will be back to ask a few more questions later |
| 20:38.08 | linux2 | and then that will be it |
| 20:38.22 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: in my system KDE takes full control of any X based app |
| 20:38.30 | Shadowcat | but that's because I don't install all that gnome stuff in the first place |
| 20:38.40 | Shadowcat | and everything gets routed to KDE apps by default unless I change it |
| 20:38.48 | typewriter | well, so no one knows of a program for linux? |
| 20:39.12 | Shadowcat | jonathan`: that's logging |
| 20:39.17 | Shadowcat | Windows doesn't organize notes in any way |
| 20:39.28 | tarzeau | unstable: use lock? and set a password? |
| 20:39.29 | unstable | lol |
| 20:39.49 | jonathan` | Shadowcat, yeah -- I just meant the logging part. Windows and organize doesn't really go together |
| 20:39.51 | unstable | tarzeau: But the system will still boot normally right? Someone can't just change modes. |
| 20:39.54 | tarzeau | unstable: beware update-grub destroys these settings (that happens on every kernel you install which was generated using make-kpkg) |
| 20:40.04 | typewriter | ... |
| 20:40.04 | jonathan` | it's just annoying having to type a reason before shutting down |
| 20:40.10 | tarzeau | unstable: modes of what? you'll want to make menu.lst ro for root only |
| 20:40.13 | tarzeau | and w |
| 20:40.14 | jonathan` | typewriter, you could probably find a PHP app or something to handle that |
| 20:40.20 | abrotman | !thunderbird browser is http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2005-03/3473.html |
| 20:40.20 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 20:40.23 | Shadowcat | you can tell Windows 2003 to shove that feature up it's *beep* if you want |
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| 20:40.35 | Shadowcat | typewriter: exchange is an email server, NOT a note organizer |
| 20:40.41 | typewriter | uh |
| 20:40.46 | typewriter | its much more than an email server |
| 20:40.53 | Shadowcat | yes, it offers Outlook services as well |
| 20:41.05 | Shadowcat | which is PIM, but it's not a feature indigenous to Windows |
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| 20:41.13 | bartm | is this a Windows channel? :) |
| 20:41.27 | jonathan` | s/windows/winblows |
| 20:41.34 | typewriter | right... |
| 20:41.38 | typewriter | how clever |
| 20:41.40 | Shadowcat | we're discussing a non-existant admin note organization program in Windows that typewriter wants in Linux |
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| 20:41.57 | Shadowcat | now if it's a PIM server you're looking for, evolution has one I believe |
| 20:42.06 | bartm | maybe the solution is to develop a "windows xp emulator" for linux and package that in debian :) |
| 20:42.19 | unstable | hehe bartm |
| 20:42.25 | typewriter | Shadowcat: it is obvious to me you've never used windows 2003 |
| 20:42.29 | jonathan` | does WINE not work with it? |
| 20:42.38 | Shadowcat | typewriter: actually I have used it |
| 20:42.43 | abrotman | typewriter: what are you looking for? |
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| 20:42.58 | kdean06 | I have a server running something between Etch and Sarge. If I do a port scan, I can see that postfix is listening on port 25. I can start and stop Postfix without any issues, and netstat shows it bound to the correct port. However, I can not send any mail at all, not from command line or via Webmail. Also, postfix is logging NOTHING, despite the fact that I've chmodded the files to 777. ANy ideas? |
| 20:43.04 | unstable | typewriter: I've also used Windows Server 2003, and I have no idea what this _pretend_ tool is you speak of. |
| 20:43.04 | bartm | typewriter: it's still not clear to me what kind of program you're looking for |
| 20:43.08 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 20:43.08 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 20:43.38 | kdean06 | LOL |
| 20:43.46 | Shadowcat | we have more than a handfull of admins in here that use both oses, and seriously, we can't all be clueless |
| 20:43.53 | abrotman | kdean06: echo 'asdf' | mail <user> ... don't use the domain |
| 20:44.42 | Shadowcat | Exchange has the ability to share notes, calendars, tasks etc, which can be used to share admin notes |
| 20:44.49 | Shadowcat | which is mirrored by evolution in Linux |
| 20:44.50 | unstable | typewriter: I'm sure there are many tools to do what you want. I wouldn't know any, because I don't share root with others. |
| 20:45.12 | bartm | typewriter: vim is really good you know :) |
| 20:45.19 | kdean06 | abrotman, The mail is being delivered when sending locally. |
| 20:45.21 | jonathan` | unstable, you almost make it sound selfish, lol |
| 20:45.35 | jonathan` | just how you worded the sharing root :P |
| 20:45.45 | Gnea | Shadowcat: that mirror's got a few cracks in it, evolution doesn't really touch exchange in terms of functionality |
| 20:45.45 | Shadowcat | actually the best thing would be if you couldn't even login with root |
| 20:45.56 | unstable | typewriter: yea, you could just open a text file, then put in a note ie # echo "I installed Windows 2003 with wine to get notes" > /root/admin.notes.txt |
| 20:46.09 | Shadowcat | but rather give each user the ability to run root apps with sudo |
| 20:46.22 | Shadowcat | Gnea: no but it's as close as you can get at the moment |
| 20:46.24 | typewriter | unstable: WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THAT |
| 20:46.30 | typewriter | man! |
| 20:46.32 | Gnea | Shadowcat: the main problem there is getting a working pipe to work with a real exchange server |
| 20:46.39 | Gnea | Shadowcat: yeah well, close != actual |
| 20:46.45 | Gnea | Shadowcat: and it matters. |
| 20:46.54 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 20:47.09 | Shadowcat | personally I refuse to touch evolution because of the damned crashes |
| 20:47.16 | Shadowcat | and the fact that it doesn't play nice in my kde environment |
| 20:47.32 | unstable | Gnea: hopefully with the lawsuits in Europe, MS will open up some of their protocols |
| 20:47.39 | Gnea | that's because it's a gtk app heh |
| 20:47.45 | Gnea | unstable: i doubt it |
| 20:47.45 | Shadowcat | seriously, I don't want M$ here |
| 20:47.48 | abrotman | kdean06: are you using a smarthost? |
| 20:47.50 | unstable | damn USA sits on their thumb and lets MS cock slap them |
| 20:48.01 | Shadowcat | Gnea: they charge a month's rent for Windows here |
| 20:48.05 | Gnea | true |
| 20:48.10 | kdean06 | abrotman, Not that I KNOW of... What is it, and how would i know. :-) |
| 20:48.14 | Rodrigokris_ | what dvd debian? |
| 20:48.15 | unstable | But then again, MS is an american based company that brings money into the country. And America doesn't actually exploit physical goods.(at least not a lot at all) |
| 20:48.35 | abrotman | kdean06: well ... it should still be in /var/log/mail.log |
| 20:48.40 | Maulkin | Good good :) |
| 20:48.54 | jonathan` | kdean06, also check /var/log/mail.info |
| 20:49.14 | jonathan` | with postfix thats where i found the log going too |
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| 20:49.35 | abrotman | kdean06: it would still be logged |
| 20:49.42 | jsn | I' |
| 20:50.11 | jonathan` | unstable, -most- people let the MS cock slap them. but with the money that man has I guess you can't expect much else |
| 20:50.29 | kdean06 | jonathan`, abrotman, There is nothing in mail.err, mail.log, mail.warn or mail.info. I mean nothing, 4 0 line files |
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| 20:50.36 | jsn | I'm a little unclear on 2.6.15. Nowadays I need to type modprobe snd_powermac (at each reboot) to get my sound working. Where should I have this, properly, for regular usage? |
| 20:50.44 | pitillo | l/j #gentoo |
| 20:50.52 | Shadowcat | jsn: udev should take care of that |
| 20:50.53 | pitillo | arf, sorry |
| 20:51.00 | pseubodot | jsn: man 5 modules |
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| 20:51.21 | bartm | jsn: I guess /etc/modules |
| 20:51.28 | xDCDx | hello |
| 20:51.34 | lanchow | do you know a GNU/Debian online bible ? |
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| 20:51.44 | xDCDx | is there an easy way I can print a binary file in base2 form (like '11101010011...') ? |
| 20:51.48 | abrotman | kdean06: is postfix even running ? |
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| 20:51.57 | pseubodot | is abrotman even running ? |
| 20:52.00 | abrotman | pseubodot!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:52.02 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 20:52.03 | dpkg | somebody said iapf was It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
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| 20:52.12 | pseubodot | !iaaf |
| 20:52.13 | dpkg | it has been said that iaaf is It's All Abrotman's Fault (http://www.itsallabrotmansfault.org/) |
| 20:52.16 | pseubodot | bwahahahahaa |
| 20:52.26 | abrotman | noone has registered it yet |
| 20:52.32 | pseubodot | pity. |
| 20:52.35 | pseubodot | someone should do that. |
| 20:52.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: can you recode xpete for gtk2 .. AND package it? |
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| 20:53.09 | Shadowcat | aaahhhh spaghetti code!!!! |
| 20:53.13 | Shadowcat | the horror!!!! |
| 20:53.31 | abrotman | i'm not spaghetti! |
| 20:53.37 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 20:53.40 | pseubodot | he's soba or udon |
| 20:53.43 | pseubodot | soba code? |
| 20:53.44 | pseubodot | why not? |
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| 20:54.07 | kdean06 | abrotman, It says it is. :-) I can start, stop, restart it. Using lsconfig, it's showing as running. And my local mail is moving. I would say yes. |
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| 20:54.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: me? gtk? dpkg -l | grep gtk gives no results on my systems |
| 20:54.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: dartn you |
| 20:54.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: just as with when you grep for kde or gnome |
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| 20:55.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: grep for qt! |
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| 20:55.19 | abrotman | kdean06: anything in messages or syslog ? |
| 20:55.25 | abrotman | kdean06: check the mailspool dir |
| 20:55.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: nothing either |
| 20:55.36 | abrotman | kdean06: see if postfix is a smarthost .. grep host /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 20:55.47 | samuel | what is a good way to easily and transparently share files in linux? samba? |
| 20:55.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got gnustep |
| 20:56.01 | abrotman | samuel: share with what? |
| 20:56.02 | tarzeau | samuel: nfs |
| 20:56.14 | samuel | abrotman, tarzeau all linux computers |
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| 20:56.21 | tarzeau | samuel: yes nfs |
| 20:56.22 | abrotman | samba probably |
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| 20:56.29 | samuel | i see |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | lsat i heard .. the nfs client for win32 was .. iffy |
| 20:56.34 | Shadowcat | samba or nfs, both will do |
| 20:56.44 | Shadowcat | abrotman: Microsoft has one I believe |
| 20:56.46 | abrotman | well .. just as iffy as NFS in general :) |
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| 20:57.19 | bvs | kdean06, your ISP can be blocking outgoing connections on port 25, i know alot of them do |
| 20:57.25 | kdean06 | abrotman, the grep for hosts gives me two lines. My FQDN and "smtpd_sasl_local_domain = $myhostname" |
| 20:57.27 | samuel | what ever happened to that novell sharing directory program? did it ever get very far? what was it called? |
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| 20:57.54 | kdean06 | bvs, This is on a dual processor dedicated server, not a home computer. |
| 20:58.12 | G-bone | hi |
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| 20:58.14 | abrotman | kdean06: nothing in messages or syslog ? |
| 20:58.35 | G-bone | I would like to know when X.org 7.1 will be availbable for Sid |
| 20:58.44 | abrotman | when it gets there |
| 20:58.45 | formorer | if its ready |
| 20:58.57 | abrotman | not before .. not later .. when it's ready |
| 20:58.59 | G-bone | sure |
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| 20:59.53 | Shadowcat | and that's probably AFTER we sort out this XOrg upgrade trouble |
| 20:59.57 | kdean06 | abrotman, Syslog is reporting my logins, the delivery of the messages that I sent a moment ago. |
| 20:59.59 | gavagai | Is there a ftp server for debian that is good at limiting its bandwidth? i am not having good results with proftpd's ability to do this. i am considering setting up wondershaper, but it would be simpler if another ftp server was just better at this. |
| 20:59.59 | Shadowcat | in other words, if you want it sooner, help gravity |
| 21:00.24 | Shadowcat | no QoS is done by the kernel I think, not a userland app |
| 21:00.31 | Niklas_E | anyone tried to use midpssh to logonto a debian ssh server? Can't seem to make it work, is there som setting to change on the server? |
| 21:00.33 | abrotman | kdean06: so where are they going ? |
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| 21:00.40 | abrotman | kdean06: have you checked the mail spool ? |
| 21:00.47 | G-bone | ok thank you |
| 21:01.23 | G-bone | anyway, I guess I'll have to replace these out-of-date DRI drivers manually after all |
| 21:01.30 | gavagai | Shadowcat, there is a very very simple userland app that you can use to limit other apps. it's called trickle. but i don't think you can run servers with it. |
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| 21:01.50 | unstable | G-bone: 3d accel doesn't work? |
| 21:02.00 | gavagai | yeah i guess i have to setup QoS. proftpd has a directive to limit its transfer rate, and it sort of works, but every few seconds it spikes and takes all my bandwidth |
| 21:03.00 | G-bone | unstable yeah, that's it |
| 21:03.12 | G-bone | I know the solution, so no matter |
| 21:03.47 | G-bone | but I'd prefer to use x.org 7.1, which is supposed to come with the brand new mesa lib |
| 21:04.02 | unstable | G-bone: apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 21:04.16 | unstable | G-bone: What card do you have(model# and make) |
| 21:04.25 | G-bone | i915 ;) |
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| 21:05.14 | G-bone | unstable I'll get a snapshot from dri.freedesktop.org, so it'll sovle the problem |
| 21:05.19 | kdean06 | abrotman, THey're going into /var/spool/mail/<username> |
| 21:05.32 | abrotman | that's bad ? |
| 21:05.32 | MoDaX | G-bone: etch will ship with Xorg 7.1 so it's a main priority for Debian X Strike Force now |
| 21:05.32 | G-bone | well, got to go, thank you |
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| 21:05.47 | G-bone | oh ok |
| 21:05.55 | G-bone | great news |
| 21:06.03 | kdean06 | abrotman, Local mail isn't the issue. But anything that is sent to a remote domain just vanishes. No bounce, nothing. |
| 21:06.07 | G-bone | see you later |
| 21:06.18 | abrotman | kdean06: right .. send a nonlocal .. see what the logs say |
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| 21:10.34 | kdean06 | abrotman, It's showing Status sent. |
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| 21:13.12 | abrotman | kdean06: in the logs? |
| 21:13.14 | kdean06 | abrotman, http://debian.pastebin.com/709443 |
| 21:13.47 | kdean06 | abrotman, But there's still NOTHING at all in mail.* |
| 21:14.05 | kdean06 | abrotman, And the mail didn't end up at the destination. |
| 21:14.45 | abrotman | kdean06: queued as D67457682E8, but 1 REJECT) |
| 21:14.47 | nvz | I know I just walked in on that, but it seems obvious that nothing got delivered there |
| 21:14.58 | nvz | heh and there's the master of the obvious now |
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| 21:19.28 | Erudified | Hey, how can I set the current working directory for a script? $CWD? |
| 21:19.45 | nvz | Erudified: $(cd) |
| 21:19.52 | Erudified | nvz thanks! |
| 21:19.58 | nvz | the cd command would print the current working directory IIRC |
| 21:20.09 | Shadowcat | pwd :) |
| 21:20.15 | nvz | that too |
| 21:20.16 | nvz | :P |
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| 21:20.28 | nvz | cd alone goes to home dir eh? |
| 21:20.41 | nvz | forgive me I am on windows at the moment :p |
| 21:20.55 | Shadowcat | HERETIC! |
| 21:20.59 | nvz | it does what I said on windows xp :P |
| 21:21.00 | guk | cd ~ goes to your home dir |
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| 21:21.14 | nvz | and what happens when you just type cd? |
| 21:21.28 | guk | your computer catches fire ... |
| 21:21.33 | nvz | heh |
| 21:21.36 | Shadowcat | same thing |
| 21:21.49 | guk | no shit |
| 21:21.52 | guk | I didn't even know that |
| 21:21.58 | guk | well I like to find a reason to use the ~ key |
| 21:22.00 | exalted | Hi. Any ideas why i might having this message when i try to reconfigure xorg: "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized." Thank you for your attention. |
| 21:22.06 | snooplsm | torrents are great when it comes to distros <= 700mb |
| 21:22.14 | nvz | Erudified: seems its $(pwd) |
| 21:22.33 | Erudified | I got it, thanks again guys |
| 21:23.06 | nvz | all real distros are <= 700mb.. mumbles something about peanuts, slackware, and dsl under his breath |
| 21:23.39 | Shadowcat | you're going nowhere |
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| 21:24.07 | xL0gic | exalted: because you (or a script) modified that file |
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| 21:24.40 | exalted | xL0gic, okay; and now how can i left to the hands of the dpkg-reconfigure again? |
| 21:24.50 | nvz | dpkg, tell exalted about xmd5 |
| 21:24.59 | exalted | nvz, thank you. |
| 21:25.14 | xL0gic | exalted: restoring the original file, or maybe renaming it , so when it looks for it ,it's not there... |
| 21:25.22 | xL0gic | exalted: something along those lines |
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| 21:25.47 | exalted | xL0gic, renaming or even removing xorg.conf file doesn't solve the problem. |
| 21:26.04 | nvz | but then I've not tried xorg yet, so I dont really consider myself an authority on it |
| 21:26.22 | nvz | the problem is not with the config file, but with its checksum |
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| 21:26.46 | exalted | nvz, okay; i'm on it, thank you. |
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| 21:29.31 | exalted | nvz, hmmm... now checksums are identical, but the problem persists... |
| 21:29.32 | exalted | :S |
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| 21:30.25 | nvz | you did md5sum /etc/X11/Xorg.conf > /var/lib/xorg/Xorg.md5sum |
| 21:30.30 | nvz | or whatever the case may be |
| 21:30.34 | exalted | nvz, yes |
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| 21:30.44 | nvz | as I said before, I've not used xorg, so I dont know of the files involved |
| 21:30.59 | exalted | nvz, md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 21:32.16 | exalted | nvz, actually reconfiguring xorg doesn't even create me a new xorg.conf :S |
| 21:32.32 | guk | apt-get remove package --purge |
| 21:32.35 | guk | that should remove the conf |
| 21:32.35 | guk | :) |
| 21:33.11 | exalted | guk, removing server-xorg is that what you mean??? |
| 21:33.23 | exalted | xserver-xorg* |
| 21:33.49 | nvz | you mean to tell me there isnt one person in here out of the 700 nicks that has some _GOOD_ advice for this person? |
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| 21:35.37 | k31th | Guys wu-imap can i convert that ? |
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| 21:36.08 | k31th | i want to move imap server from my old CentOS4.3 box to my new debian server however run is rounning curiour and one is running wu-imap |
| 21:36.08 | nvz | eh? |
| 21:37.00 | abrotman | nvz: for what person ? |
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| 21:37.40 | nvz | abrotman: well, exalted is having trouble getting dpkg-reconfigure to write his xorg.conf despite the xmd5 information |
| 21:37.50 | abrotman | dexconf ? |
| 21:37.56 | abrotman | md5 isn't needed anymore for xorg |
| 21:38.00 | nvz | d...what? |
| 21:38.13 | abrotman | man dexconf |
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| 21:39.22 | abrotman | oh .. dpkg says it's obsolete |
| 21:39.40 | abrotman | i didn't think xorg needed the md5 anymore |
| 21:39.48 | unstable | It doesn't |
| 21:39.56 | nvz | yeah well cmd.exe says 'man' is not recognised as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. |
| 21:39.57 | unstable | That's only for sarge/xfree86 |
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| 21:43.57 | valdyn | !xmd5 |
| 21:43.57 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 21:44.15 | abrotman | valdyn: yeah .. but not needed in etch/sid anymore |
| 21:44.30 | valdyn | abrotman: right, going to add that |
| 21:44.33 | abrotman | but i bet there's a bug about it not writing the conf all the time |
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| 21:45.08 | bigup | bonsoir |
| 21:45.09 | bigup | :) |
| 21:45.20 | valdyn | dpkg: xmd5 =~ s/made./made. This applies to sarge only./ |
| 21:45.21 | dpkg | valdyn: that doesn't contain 'made.' |
| 21:45.36 | valdyn | dpkg: xmd5 =~ s/made./made. This applies to sarge only./ |
| 21:45.36 | dpkg | valdyn: that doesn't contain 'made.' |
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| 21:46.09 | exalted | nvc, abrotman; seems to be working; i'll let you know! |
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| 21:47.43 | exalted | BRB |
| 21:48.18 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
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| 21:49.56 | Boter | hello |
| 21:50.23 | Boter | http://pastebin.com/709512 & http://pastebin.com/709505 |
| 21:50.27 | Boter | is here everything OK? |
| 21:50.49 | valdyn | Boter: do you have a problem to solve? |
| 21:50.52 | nvz | nope, you forgot to make sense and ask a question first :P |
| 21:50.58 | Boter | valdyn |
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| 21:51.11 | Boter | my ISP has some testing tools |
| 21:51.16 | Boter | to see if it's ok |
| 21:51.16 | Boter | and i get |
| 21:51.17 | Boter | Error: no nameservers |
| 21:51.25 | Boter | and something about no SOA info |
| 21:51.32 | valdyn | !tell Boter -about enter |
| 21:51.34 | exalted | nvc, that seems to be working... |
| 21:52.47 | Boter | valdyn thanks for that help... maybe you know what could be wrong? |
| 21:53.11 | valdyn | Boter: maybe if you tell what exactly you are doing |
| 21:53.13 | exalted | :D |
| 21:53.47 | Boter | valdyn i bought domain and want to use bind with it... so i created zone and file for nameserver and now something is wrong |
| 21:54.12 | valdyn | Boter: just creating a zone file is not enough |
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| 21:54.27 | gavagai | does anyone have a suggestion on an easy to config voicemail system? |
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| 21:54.33 | Boter | i edited named.conf too... look at the links i gaved :) |
| 21:54.39 | valdyn | Boter: how is your ISP supposed to 'know' which IP your nameserver has? |
| 21:55.01 | Boter | it is in whois |
| 21:55.02 | Boter | nameserver: ns1.codesign.si (84.255.203.86) |
| 21:55.29 | Boter | so it schould know... omg sorry for 3 lines it is becouse of ctrl+v |
| 21:55.47 | valdyn | Boter: whois is not DNS |
| 21:56.15 | Boter | valdyn i know but you asked if ISP knows ip of nameserver. He knows - that is what i wanted to tell |
| 21:57.37 | valdyn | Boter: use 'dig' to figure how names are resolved, like 'dig ns.codesign.si', i dont see your IP there |
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| 21:58.20 | Boter | ns1 |
| 21:58.28 | valdyn | Boter: yep, typo |
| 21:58.29 | Intoxicator | g'day |
| 21:59.01 | Boter | valdyn it is not yet... ISP has stupid rule that first zone files must work ... every 12 hours than they add domain for working status |
| 21:59.23 | valdyn | Boter: so wait |
| 22:00.31 | Boter | valdyn you dont undestand what i want to tell :) something is wrong and that script from ISP says error so after 12 hours it wont be added... Zone must be ok... and IP for ns1.codesign.si is in my zone file... |
| 22:01.02 | valdyn | Boter: use 'dig @yourip ns1.codesign.si' |
| 22:01.14 | valdyn | Boter: that will try using your nameserver |
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| 22:02.31 | Boter | si. 21600 IN SOA ns1.arnes.si. hostmaster.arnes.si. 2006061412 3600 1800 3600000 21600 |
| 22:02.47 | Boter | ISP script says that he cant see SOA |
| 22:02.53 | Zeroth405 | someone explain to me why I have no /dev/sd* (usb drive, yes usb-storage is probed) |
| 22:03.08 | Boter | there is not way to get SOA and it says no nameservers |
| 22:03.19 | nvz | usb-storage has nothing to do with that for one thing |
| 22:03.40 | Zeroth405 | nvz, someone suggested it |
| 22:03.48 | Zeroth405 | nvz, and I thought not |
| 22:03.51 | nvz | the sd_mod which is part of the kernel's SCSI subsystem controls those device nodes, but still has nothing to do with their existance |
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| 22:04.23 | Zeroth405 | nvz, so I'm left with mknod'ing them? or is there an wasier way? |
| 22:04.30 | Zeroth405 | nvz, 2.6, udev |
| 22:04.44 | Zeroth405 | nvz, deb -testing |
| 22:04.56 | nvz | I know nothing about udev. but it does help to mention such details |
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| 22:05.30 | Zeroth405 | this is irritating. how could I be missing device files? |
| 22:05.55 | nvz | from what I understand udev removes device nodes that are not in use and creates them on the fly when needed |
| 22:06.07 | nvz | maybe you just need to load the appropriate scsi modules |
| 22:06.29 | nvz | sd_mod the SCSI Disk Module would be a good place to start |
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| 22:06.47 | nvz | since its responsible for those nodes |
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| 22:07.46 | Zeroth405 | modprobed it, they still dontexist |
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| 22:10.41 | nvz | oh well guess who didnt do their udev homework... me |
| 22:10.53 | nvz | I havent aquired a need or desire for it yet |
| 22:11.17 | phogg | udev smacks of the computer trying to be smarter then I am. Never a good thing. |
| 22:11.30 | valdyn | Boter: what is your logfile saying about that zone file when you start bind? |
| 22:11.49 | nvz | yeah well my philosophy is dont stop using a system that has worked for over a decade |
| 22:12.00 | nvz | I watched devfs come and go and never bothered |
| 22:12.03 | Boter | valdyn i get too much output to see exactly what named says |
| 22:12.17 | valdyn | Boter: then use grep |
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| 22:12.51 | sp00f | anybody healp please. my mate is trying to ssh into my box but getting "key exchange failed". whats this all about? |
| 22:12.55 | Boter | lol i greped wrong file before |
| 22:13.17 | Boter | http://pastebin.com/709576 |
| 22:14.32 | valdyn | Boter: thats alot of errors, why dont you restart with a fresh working config |
| 22:15.37 | Boter | it's a lot of errors probably just becouse of 1 mistake |
| 22:15.43 | valdyn | Boter: but that Jun 14 23:54:25 owcika named[1643]: master zone "codesign.si" (IN) rejected due to errors (serial 2006061407) is telling that that zone file isnt used at all |
| 22:15.53 | valdyn | Boter: no, there's a few mistakes |
| 22:16.14 | Boter | i see |
| 22:16.41 | valdyn | Boter: zone file is broken, named.conf has syntax errors.. |
| 22:17.11 | Boter | good to see errors if you dont know what is wrong |
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| 22:19.00 | valdyn | Boter: for starters, the IN before NS ( twice ) and before MX (twice ) |
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| 22:19.48 | Boter | master zone "codesign.si" (IN) loaded (serial 2006150601) |
| 22:19.51 | GeorgeS069 | Howdy folks |
| 22:19.51 | Boter | so 1 error is solved |
| 22:20.06 | valdyn | Boter: now try dig again |
| 22:20.20 | Boter | same |
| 22:20.33 | valdyn | Boter: not the same for me |
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| 22:20.38 | Boter | i go to try catc other errors |
| 22:20.43 | Boter | valdyn can you pase? |
| 22:20.44 | Boter | paste |
| 22:20.45 | GeorgeS069 | Is there a way to get 'apt-get update' to just update 1 package instead of the several it could update? |
| 22:20.57 | valdyn | Boter: your need to dig @84.255.203.86 SOA codesign.si |
| 22:21.10 | nvz | GeorgeS069: apt-get update doesnt update packages |
| 22:21.11 | valdyn | Boter: mine the @84.255.203.86 |
| 22:21.16 | valdyn | Boter: mind the @84.255.203.86 |
| 22:21.21 | GeorgeS069 | sorry...I meant upgrade |
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| 22:21.24 | nvz | GeorgeS069: apt-get update updates the package cache, aka the list of packages |
| 22:21.42 | Boter | hm cool so something more is working. I go to catch errors in named.conf ... please stand by :D |
| 22:22.06 | nvz | GeorgeS069: you could just apt-get install the package you want, or hold the packages you dont want |
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| 22:22.55 | GeorgeS069 | so 'apt-get hold pkg-name' would put them on hold? |
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| 22:23.44 | streuner | !tell GeorgeS069 -about hold |
| 22:23.50 | GeorgeS069 | tanks |
| 22:24.11 | valdyn | Boter: your isp should be ok now already after the 12 hours have passed, if your isp isnt doing something else too, but checking if your server is resolving codesign.si properly |
| 22:24.39 | nvz | something about a guy named george who says howdy and talks about tanks scares me |
| 22:24.41 | Zeroth405 | anyone: I have no /dev/sd*, I need them. Deb -testing, 2.6, udev. |
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| 22:24.51 | valdyn | Boter: oh and that testing tool should work now already, does it? |
| 22:24.57 | GeorgeS069 | I'll have more questions once i figure out which new package is breaking my system |
| 22:25.20 | Boter | testing tool? |
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| 22:25.22 | kssss0202 | HTTP://WWW.RHYMETORRENTS.COM - Love |
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| 22:25.49 | valdyn | GeorgeS069: only updating one or more specific packages can be done by ' apt-get install package1 package2 ' |
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| 22:26.25 | valdyn | Boter: i thought you were talking about that earlier, if that was just the output you get every 12 hours, nevermind |
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| 22:27.52 | valdyn | Zeroth405: /dev/sd* will show up when you have the appropriate device driver loaded |
| 22:28.05 | Boter | INFO: Preverjam SOA zapis za codesign.si na domenskem strežniku ns1.codesign.si == Checking SOA entry on codesign.si on nameserver ns1.codesign.si |
| 22:28.21 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, I've been suggested to load sd_mod, but that didn't work |
| 22:28.32 | Boter | error: From ns1.codesign.si i cant get SOA entry for codesign.si |
| 22:28.41 | valdyn | Zeroth405: your not giving useful info, what are you trying to do? |
| 22:29.10 | stew | Zeroth405: do you have any scsi devices? |
| 22:29.14 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, I just want to have my /dev/sd* devices so I can mount usb drives and such |
| 22:29.29 | stew | Zeroth405: do you have any usb drives plugged in? |
| 22:29.34 | Zeroth405 | stew, someone already asked me that...I have usb drives, but I'm not sure what scsi is.... |
| 22:29.46 | valdyn | Boter: funny, since i can get your SOA from here just fine |
| 22:29.47 | stew | Zeroth405: are the usb drives currently attached? |
| 22:29.49 | Zeroth405 | stew, yes, but I need to reformat it. |
| 22:30.02 | Zeroth405 | Stew, yes |
| 22:30.03 | Boter | valdyn maybe ISP must refresh nameservers :D |
| 22:30.04 | Boter | http://pastebin.com/709599 |
| 22:30.07 | nvz | scsi is Small Computer System Interface which is the interface USB disks use |
| 22:30.08 | Boter | are this lines OK? |
| 22:30.17 | valdyn | !usb storage |
| 22:30.18 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 22:30.29 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, usb-storage is loaded. |
| 22:30.52 | valdyn | Zeroth405: and lsusb lists the device? |
| 22:31.03 | stew | Zeroth405: check dmesg after you plug in the drive, it should tell you where the /dev/ is. or if you have hal installed, run "lshal --monitor" and it should tell you where it appears when you mount it |
| 22:31.22 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 22:31.33 | valdyn | Zeroth405: thats certainly not it |
| 22:31.53 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, it might be broke, I have one that works, let me try taht one. |
| 22:31.54 | valdyn | Zeroth405: thats just your USB Bus 001 |
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| 22:32.20 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05dc:a400 Lexar Media, Inc. |
| 22:32.25 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, it appears the key is broken. |
| 22:32.39 | valdyn | Boter: no idea |
| 22:32.45 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, I have an sda device now |
| 22:32.58 | valdyn | Boter: im the wrong person to ask about bind acls |
| 22:33.01 | Boter | Jun 15 00:30:39 owcika named[1643]: /etc/bind/named.conf:77: syntax error near allow-recursion |
| 22:33.01 | Boter | Jun 15 00:30:39 owcika named[1643]: /etc/bind/named.conf:78: syntax error near allow-query |
| 22:33.05 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, what is this nonsense about not having the device file available? I've never had this issue with any other distro... |
| 22:33.07 | Boter | ok sorry |
| 22:33.22 | valdyn | Zeroth405: you dont even have the DEVICE connected properly |
| 22:33.35 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, what? |
| 22:33.45 | valdyn | Zeroth405: udev only shows device nodes if there's a working device, there obviously is no working device if lsusb does not show it |
| 22:34.01 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, read my previous messages |
| 22:34.16 | stew | Zeroth405: the device file will be created when the hardware is available |
| 22:34.16 | valdyn | Zeroth405: read it, that's how udev works |
| 22:34.21 | samuel | anyone know which package has the java firefox plugin? |
| 22:34.40 | tonsofpcs | anyone know of a good browser for shell and/or xforwarding that supports user:pass@host and javascript? |
| 22:34.40 | stew | samuel: /msg dpkg java licensing ; /msg dpkg java package |
| 22:34.45 | samuel | ive got firefox installed and java jre |
| 22:34.46 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, 2.6 uses udev exclusively, or at least by default, right? |
| 22:34.54 | nvz | nope |
| 22:34.56 | samuel | stew, thx |
| 22:35.03 | valdyn | Zeroth405: no |
| 22:35.05 | nvz | I use 2.6 and I dont use udev |
| 22:35.13 | tuv | how can i control the max. no. of connections (tcp/udp)? |
| 22:35.21 | valdyn | Zeroth405: this isnt a udev issue anyway primarily |
| 22:35.26 | nvz | udev is userspace |
| 22:35.26 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, well then this is my first time using it. all this time I was using devfs? slackware, gentoo, knoppix, .... |
| 22:36.29 | valdyn | Zeroth405: so now that that working device is showing in lsusb, is /dev/sda existing? |
| 22:36.42 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, yes. |
| 22:36.56 | valdyn | Zeroth405: ok, everything fine, i guess. |
| 22:37.10 | valdyn | Zeroth405: all 3 distros listd above do use udev now iirc |
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| 22:37.57 | Zeroth405 | valdyn, I've been using gentoo for 6 months, used slackware for 2 years before gentoo...weird |
| 22:38.09 | Zeroth405 | burned knoppix within the last year |
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| 22:42.03 | GeorgeS069 | ok...I narrowed it down to 2 package updates that are casuing my problem...initramfs-tools or reiserfsprogs I installed "testing" and when I upgrade these packages and reboot my system can't find my root partition(md0)...it does find /boot though...just can't seem to mount / from the raid5 drive |
| 22:42.55 | GeorgeS069 | is there a way to rescue the system after the upgrade or should I just keep these packages on hold? |
| 22:42.58 | nvz | good luck getting someone to bite on an issue with reiserfs (on raid) |
| 22:43.20 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 22:43.38 | GeorgeS069 | c'mon...was easy to setup |
| 22:43.48 | Gnea | !reiserfs |
| 22:43.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 22:43.50 | nvz | yeah so is a suicide attempt |
| 22:44.02 | tuv | which file in /proc shows the max. allowed no. of ip connections? |
| 22:44.09 | Gnea | GeorgeS069: you haven't read much about reiserfs, have you... |
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| 22:44.22 | tarzeau | tuv: that's tcp not ip |
| 22:44.24 | GeorgeS069 | no...never had any trouble with though |
| 22:44.24 | nvz | Gnea: read my memo about suicide attempts |
| 22:44.26 | nvz | :P |
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| 22:44.33 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 22:44.35 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:44.36 | Gnea | nvz: saw it |
| 22:44.45 | tuv | tarzeau, ok.. so which file is that? |
| 22:45.05 | Gnea | GeorgeS069: so what you're saying is, is that if you don't read about something, then you're less likely to have any problems with it? |
| 22:45.15 | GeorgeS069 | is it really that bad? |
| 22:45.35 | Gnea | you just answered you're own question. |
| 22:45.38 | Gnea | yes. |
| 22:46.31 | linux2 | ok can someone help me with amarok |
| 22:46.38 | Gnea | no. |
| 22:46.40 | linux2 | and obtaining an older version? |
| 22:46.58 | linux2 | i have the latest v1.4.0a |
| 22:47.06 | linux2 | but it just crashes whenever i play a song |
| 22:47.11 | tarzeau | tuv: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_port_range ? |
| 22:47.20 | linux2 | so how do i get a 1.3.8 or .9 version |
| 22:47.26 | tarzeau | tuv: what's exactly your problem? |
| 22:47.27 | Gnea | linux2: why does it crash? |
| 22:48.02 | linux2 | Gnea, i don't know. doesn't say why |
| 22:48.06 | GeorgeS069 | well,no biggie...I'm just installing so I can switch over to ext3 |
| 22:48.08 | tuv | tarzeau, i just wanted to know how to increase the max. no. of connections. my problem is not on a debian box.. just a generic linux question.. thanks though |
| 22:48.17 | Vasistha | linux2: want a stable system? run sarge :P |
| 22:48.18 | Gnea | linux2: what makes you think that downgrading will fix it? |
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| 22:48.27 | tarzeau | tuv: yes that's a generic linux answer |
| 22:48.48 | tarzeau | tuv: what does the file currently say? do you understand how it works? |
| 22:49.01 | linux2 | Gnea, cause i have used an older version of it and it works fine. 1.4.0 is in alpha at the moment so i don't even know why it is default for install |
| 22:49.14 | Zeroth405 | anyone: no sound. ran alsaconf. turned volumes up with alsamixer. stored with alsactl store. changed xmms pluggin to alsa. xmms complains. |
| 22:49.28 | tarzeau | tuv: you might want to tune timeouts as well |
| 22:49.30 | Vasistha | Zeroth405: can you get sound with other apps? |
| 22:49.31 | GeorgeS069 | ext3 is generally considerd the best or most stable journalized FS? |
| 22:49.43 | tarzeau | GeorgeS069: especially not the fastest |
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| 22:49.55 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: there's lots of debate on the issue. ext3 will probably be fine for you |
| 22:49.56 | tarzeau | GeorgeS069: i'd say UFS is more stable and better |
| 22:49.56 | linux2 | how do i view output of an app. mandriva does it by defaut but all that debian does is show output starting |
| 22:50.04 | linux2 | how do i show for whole app running time |
| 22:50.07 | tuv | tarzeau, i know.. yes i undrstand.. but i've a problem with my wireless router and i can't read that file right now from there as i don't have shell access.. i'll upgrade its firmware and see how it goes |
| 22:50.15 | Zeroth405 | Vasistha, such as? totem crashed.. |
| 22:50.19 | tarzeau | tuv: good luck |
| 22:50.24 | GeorgeS069 | speed is not an issue...the system will run on 4 200gig IDE drives running RAID5 |
| 22:50.27 | tuv | tarzeau, thanks again |
| 22:50.42 | nvz | I've never seen anyone hanging by their neck from an ext3 filesystem is all I can say about it :P |
| 22:50.48 | Vasistha | linux2: are you running it from a console, or are you starting it from a menu? Try running from a console, that should show the output |
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| 22:51.19 | linux2 | Vasistha, yeah it shows output of it starting then just drops me back down to my console without showing anymore output |
| 22:51.29 | nvz | with their data spilled out all over the floor in a cesspool |
| 22:51.52 | Vasistha | Zeroth405: if you're in KDE, you can test the sound system from a control panel. There's also mplayer. Anyway, what complaint does xmms give? |
| 22:52.38 | Zeroth405 | Vasistha, gnome |
| 22:52.41 | Vasistha | linux2: that actually sounds like an amarok configuration issue. Perhaps you might run it with some kind of debug flag |
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| 22:53.02 | Zeroth405 | Vasistha, coudlnt open audio |
| 22:53.18 | Vasistha | Zeroth405: hum, sound, sound, sound ... what can play a sound? Oh, couldn't open audio? That's a useful error |
| 22:53.20 | Zeroth405 | Vasistha, ah, im not in the audio group |
| 22:53.56 | Zeroth405 | Vasistha, imma log out and see if it owrks |
| 22:54.55 | Vasistha | nvz: I love your file system imagery... |
| 22:55.45 | nvz | Vasistha: :) comparing reiserfs to suicide is just too easy, it really deosnt take much creativity |
| 22:55.51 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 22:56.06 | GeorgeS069 | ok...gonna use ext3 and reinstall |
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| 22:56.22 | Vasistha | nvz: I was referring more to the "data spilled out all over the floor in a cesspool" |
| 22:56.22 | GeorgeS069 | I wanna live |
| 22:56.34 | nvz | heh |
| 22:56.37 | GeorgeS069 | my data wants to live too |
| 22:56.55 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: your data has a will to live? wow, you must be doing some pretty cutting edge AI work there |
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| 22:57.04 | nvz | yeah I've never used the word cesspool before I even had to make sure I was spelling it right |
| 22:57.07 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 22:57.15 | Vasistha | H2OyJaBoN: welcome! If you |
| 22:57.24 | Vasistha | err, you've got a debian question, feel free to just ask |
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| 22:57.34 | H2OyJaBoN | =D |
| 22:58.09 | H2OyJaBoN | someone have a "repositorio" for enlughtenment 0.17? |
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| 22:58.31 | Zeroth405 | Vasistha, |
| 22:58.32 | Vasistha | H2OyJaBoN: isn't that 'enlightenment' ? |
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| 22:58.34 | GeorgeS069 | while I'm here and before I install the whole thing...anything I should know about installing "testing"? |
| 22:58.42 | chron | how do you pretend to install a package with apt |
| 22:58.47 | Zeroth405 | Dear penis, I don't think I like you anymore. |
| 22:58.49 | chron | so you can see whats gonna be installed and versions |
| 22:58.50 | Zeroth405 | Audio works :-D |
| 22:59.13 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: any reason you're insisting on testing rather than stable? |
| 22:59.18 | H2OyJaBoN | sorry ,yes enlightenment.. |
| 22:59.21 | Vasistha | Zeroth405: yay! |
| 22:59.33 | Zeroth405 | Vasistha, audio group....I knew it had to be something simple. |
| 22:59.38 | Vasistha | chron: there's a download-only option, I think there's some kind of dry run, too. man apt-get |
| 22:59.43 | myren | whats teh gnome archive program called? |
| 22:59.43 | GeorgeS069 | Couldn't get my IDE controller working properly with Stable |
| 22:59.45 | linux2 | ok can anyone help me |
| 22:59.48 | linux2 | amarok is just crashing |
| 22:59.51 | Vasistha | myren: synaptic |
| 22:59.52 | chron | man dznutz_in_yomouf |
| 22:59.59 | myren | isnt that a package manager? |
| 23:00.01 | Vasistha | myren: oh, excuse me |
| 23:00.39 | Erudified | man |
| 23:00.52 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: yeah, that's a pretty compelling reason to run a newer version -- although I have to ask, did you try the 2.6 kernel with udev in stable, or just 2.4? |
| 23:00.59 | Erudified | im really kinda hating this business class cable internet |
| 23:01.15 | Vasistha | myren: did you search p.d.o? |
| 23:01.24 | Erudified | it's consistently slower than the dsl at my house =/ |
| 23:01.44 | cesarstafe | hi |
| 23:01.52 | GeorgeS069 | just 2.4 I got confused with all the different kernel images available and figure I'd go with something that used 2.6 by deault |
| 23:01.57 | GeorgeS069 | err default |
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| 23:02.53 | Erudified | GeorgeS069 thats one area thats actually straightforward; you just need to know what kind of processor you have and whether or not the machine is SMP |
| 23:03.13 | GeorgeS069 | AMD Sempron 2600+ single CPU |
| 23:03.25 | Vasistha | H2OyJaBoN: did you check p.d.o ? |
| 23:03.27 | Erudified | you want a -k7 kernel |
| 23:03.37 | cesarstafe | how can do an local mirror with security branches for debian? |
| 23:03.41 | GeorgeS069 | Didn't see a "sempron" kernel...plenty of others though |
| 23:03.41 | H2OyJaBoN | (?) what's? |
| 23:03.57 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: I'd really like to suggest you try 2.6 with sarge. testing is much more difficult to maintain |
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| 23:04.11 | Gnea | 'sempron' is just an overglorified name for the end of the K7 line of AMD cpu's |
| 23:04.24 | myren | i thought sempron was 64 bit |
| 23:04.26 | GeorgeS069 | ok...I'm all for that....didn't know about this place back then so now I'll have a little help atleast :) |
| 23:04.28 | Gnea | no. |
| 23:04.32 | Gnea | sempron != amd64 |
| 23:04.33 | Zeroth405 | is mkfs.vfat a part of some obscure package? its not on my system... |
| 23:04.42 | Erudified | Yeah, they make amd64 semprons |
| 23:04.47 | Vasistha | Zeroth405: check mtools |
| 23:04.47 | GeorgeS069 | I still have the Stable DVD's here |
| 23:04.59 | Zeroth405 | sempron = the suckzor im c00l |
| 23:05.05 | Zeroth405 | Vasistha, thanks |
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| 23:05.27 | GeorgeS069 | this one is not AMD64 |
| 23:05.52 | GeorgeS069 | hey...it was super cheap and so was the motherboard:) |
| 23:05.58 | Erudified | You want a -k7 kernel then, I'd back Vasistha up and say go with 2.6.x and sarge |
| 23:06.08 | Zeroth405 | Vasistha, mtools is already on my system |
| 23:06.12 | Erudified | hey im not hating on the smrpon, I've got a pentium d 805 |
| 23:06.12 | Gnea | Zeroth405: no, sempron is a very nicely performing cpu. |
| 23:06.34 | Erudified | I think the socket am2 semprons are a *great* budget choice |
| 23:06.36 | Vasistha | myren: I can't find a gnome archiver ... try ark? |
| 23:06.50 | myren | Vasistha: file-roller |
| 23:06.50 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, never used one. |
| 23:07.03 | Gnea | Zeroth405: then calling it the suckzor makes you a fake. |
| 23:07.08 | GeorgeS069 | It's been working great...better than my Intel 3.2 dual core that overheats constantly |
| 23:07.35 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, dude, it was a joke |
| 23:07.39 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, so chillzor |
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| 23:07.55 | Vasistha | Zeroth405: man mtools ? I think it has different commands |
| 23:08.03 | Gnea | !leetspeak |
| 23:08.04 | dpkg | hmm... leetspeak is http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx |
| 23:08.09 | Zeroth405 | Vasistha, I'm using mkfs, and it says mkfs.vat is missing |
| 23:08.36 | GeorgeS069 | so I should do the Stable install and select expert2.6 to boot from the DVD/ |
| 23:08.41 | GeorgeS069 | ? |
| 23:08.58 | Zeroth405 | Gnea, that I can deal with. |
| 23:08.59 | Gnea | GeorgeS069: linux26 should be good enough |
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| 23:10.01 | GeorgeS069 | ok...here's good question before I get into this...before I kept getting APIC(0) type errors...so load with noapic nolapic ? |
| 23:10.17 | Erudified | GeorgeS069 spot on |
| 23:10.17 | Zeroth405 | Vasistha, nah. mkfs.vfat is its only name. |
| 23:10.22 | GeorgeS069 | cool |
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| 23:10.41 | GeorgeS069 | glad I found this place |
| 23:10.49 | GeorgeS069 | you guys are a big help |
| 23:11.01 | GeorgeS069 | thanks |
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| 23:12.11 | Zeroth405 | anyone know what package contains mkfs.vfat?? |
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| 23:12.45 | jonathaN | Zeroth405: you can check on packages.debian.org, under "search the contents of packages" |
| 23:12.54 | Zeroth405 | jonathaN, yar. |
| 23:12.56 | jbit_ | Does anyone know where I can find some kind of chart that shows lists serious vulnerabilities discovered by distro? I'd like to see how Debian stacks up, especially to Fedora. |
| 23:13.12 | jbit_ | Some kind of comparison chart maybe. |
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| 23:13.24 | Erudified | jbit_ those sorts of lists are pretty useless |
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| 23:13.43 | Erudified | Keep in mind, they're running more or less the same software |
| 23:14.15 | jbit_ | Erudified: They may be, but they are also running different versions. |
| 23:14.40 | Erudified | which only cements the pointlessness of direct comparison |
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| 23:14.56 | linux2 | can someone say my name to test system beep |
| 23:15.08 | GeorgeS069 | grrr...shoulda run expert...stupid DHCP config takes forever to fail |
| 23:15.18 | GeorgeS069 | linux2 |
| 23:15.23 | linux2 | thanks |
| 23:15.24 | linux2 | works |
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| 23:16.01 | Erudified | best to just use the one you're more familiar with (for instance, debian's apache configuration, for the same version, probably lends itself to more secure, modular configurations in my hands) |
| 23:16.56 | GeorgeS069 | cool...I'll let Erudified do my apache2 setup :) |
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| 23:17.47 | jbit_ | Erudified: I'm not sure I see what you mean. If debian requires a longer testing/ fixing period before declaring a release 'stable', then debian 'stable' could possibly be considered more secure. |
| 23:17.56 | Zeroth405 | Vasistha, jonathaN, its in dosfstools ;-) |
| 23:18.12 | GeorgeS069 | not if you set things up wrong and leave the doors wide open |
| 23:18.24 | Vasistha | Zeroth405: heh, thanks! |
| 23:18.29 | Erudified | jbit_, it's that there is very often a "debian way" and the debian way, in the hands of someone familiar with the OS, lends itself to secure configurations |
| 23:18.45 | Erudified | so the answer will be subjective |
| 23:19.06 | GeorgeS069 | first time using ext3 so is 5% a good setting for reserved blocks? |
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| 23:19.17 | Erudified | GeorgeS069 I always use the default |
| 23:19.24 | GeorgeS069 | ok |
| 23:19.30 | Meaw | i have soundcard configured and sound working but i still getting error message " Error - artmessage , Sound server fatal error , Cpu overload,aborting ! any thoughts? |
| 23:19.41 | GeorgeS069 | ok |
| 23:19.48 | GeorgeS069 | oops |
| 23:19.52 | GeorgeS069 | sorry |
| 23:20.31 | jbit_ | Erudified: Thats an interesting point. But I'm talking about security holes in package repositories, not a comparative census of breached machines. |
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| 23:20.53 | Erudified | jbit_, debian's repository is *much* larger than fedora's |
| 23:20.53 | myren | how do i copy from an image file to a floppy disk? i'm trying dd if=m0n0wall.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=2880 , but i get an i/o error |
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| 23:21.26 | redblades | Hi, I downloaded the "Gartoon" theme, and I was wondering, how fo i implement it? |
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| 23:21.37 | Zeroth405 | to format a usbkey, all I need to do is `mkfs -t vfat /dev/sda` ? will that over-write the boot sector? |
| 23:21.53 | dm | HP Proliant ML110 G3, i cant install in debian sarge, i recent make the array |
| 23:21.55 | redblades | Oops, I forgot, I'm not using debian this time |
| 23:22.03 | redblades | ubuntu. |
| 23:22.07 | Erudified | =) |
| 23:22.28 | plb | hrm is there anything you gotta do to get an ipod recognized on debian? |
| 23:22.57 | jbit_ | Erudified: Yeah, thats true. Ok, thats a good point, repository size will matter. However, there has to be a non-subjective way to look at stability or security. |
| 23:23.19 | redblades | plb, Usually you plug it in an mount it |
| 23:23.38 | plb | hm |
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| 23:24.24 | GeorgeS069 | ack...I smell data loss....this gonna totally rebuild the raid5 arrays |
| 23:24.24 | Meaw | i have soundcard configured and sound working but i still getting error message " Error - artmessage , Sound server fatal error , Cpu overload,aborting ! any thoughts? |
| 23:24.35 | plb | what would the mount point be |
| 23:24.39 | plb | for an ipod |
| 23:24.44 | plb | usb type |
| 23:25.08 | Andon | USB Mass Storage kernel module. The usbmount package should take care of the other dependencies. |
| 23:25.21 | redblades | I think it's just the default usb, which changes depending on computer |
| 23:25.46 | Erudified | jbit_, I believe that you are doing yourself a disservice by looking at security in a statistical light |
| 23:26.03 | Erudified | jbit_, in my experience the single largest contributor to insecure systems is administrators that are unfamiliar with the operating system |
| 23:26.27 | sortadi | i need some help here |
| 23:26.41 | GeorgeS069 | an asmins like me that don't read enough about file systems :) |
| 23:26.44 | sortadi | was this xserver-xorg-core package recently gotten into testing? |
| 23:26.55 | sortadi | or was it there long time ago? |
| 23:27.05 | Erudified | I would feel more comfortable locking down a debian stable box than I would an openbsd box, and probably do a better job - this doesnt make debian better than obsd in any way, but it makes it better *for me* |
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| 23:27.17 | Andon | plb, if I recall mass usb mass storage devices are counted as scsi devices in /dev. That's what I had to use to mount my PSP when I was working on Snes9x |
| 23:28.02 | plb | hm weird my usb printer is recognized and I get a msg in dmesg but nothing for the ipod |
| 23:28.07 | Erudified | so my advice would be, try to configure servers with both of them, redhat tends to take a minimal approach to packaging (i.e. fairly close to a normal ./configure && make && make install) whereas debian's releass will often be wildly different than the mainline |
| 23:28.13 | GeorgeS069 | does testing use something new for software based raid? |
| 23:28.18 | Erudified | for some admins the debian way gets in the way |
| 23:28.28 | azeem | plb: an ipod is not usb mass storage |
| 23:28.37 | azeem | eh, hrm |
| 23:28.43 | azeem | plb: no message at all? |
| 23:28.47 | plb | nope |
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| 23:29.21 | jbit_ | Erudified: Maybe you are right. You've got me thinking. |
| 23:29.32 | killown | when i try to mount gmailfs happened it error >> TypeError: argument 21 must be string, not None anyone help - me? |
| 23:29.33 | Mellar | hei guys. have you excperienced problems with amarok 1.4.0a-1 on Debian Etch? |
| 23:29.44 | Erudified | jbit_ another consideration is that commercial vendors typically don't support Debian (though this is changing slowly) |
| 23:29.55 | magyar | can anyone help with amavis message tagging? |
| 23:29.55 | abrotman | !bts |
| 23:29.55 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 23:30.28 | Vasistha | Mellar: yeah, another guy was just in here complaining about amarok in etch |
| 23:30.43 | ktwilight | ouch |
| 23:30.44 | jbit_ | Erudified: This is an area where I am slightly confused. If a vendor provides a driver in the form of a kernel module... shouldn't all distros benefit equally? |
| 23:30.54 | ktwilight | what's wrong with amarok in etch? |
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| 23:31.07 | Meaw | am i ignored? |
| 23:31.10 | GeorgeS069 | not if the driver has some funky licene attached to it |
| 23:31.11 | Erudified | jbit_ vendors will sometimes make binary releases targetting a specific kernel (redhat 9 or SuSE 10 or whatever) |
| 23:31.19 | Erudified | jbit_ or their installers will rely on subtle path differences |
| 23:31.20 | Mellar | Vasistha: yes. It crashes when I'm chaanging the volume whilw I'm playing a song. It does only find xine as an engine as well |
| 23:31.25 | linux2 | what is the theme engine for using gtk1.x themes in all my apps? |
| 23:31.51 | Vasistha | Mellar: yeah, you're clearly not the only one having crash problems. |
| 23:31.53 | ktwilight | Meaw, most likely no one knows. |
| 23:31.58 | linux2 | i have that one for kde and its works only for gtk2.x apps |
| 23:32.04 | ktwilight | Meaw, have you tried to search in google? with the exact error mesage? |
| 23:32.05 | linux2 | i need one for gtk1.x apps |
| 23:32.06 | Vasistha | Meaw: I dunno, how's your cpu load? |
| 23:32.07 | linux2 | also |
| 23:32.37 | Meaw | the box is working fine.. haven't got any problem with any other software |
| 23:32.37 | Meaw | i only got the art message error |
| 23:32.43 | Vasistha | linux2: I've manually configured ~/.gtkrc myself :P |
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| 23:33.15 | Vasistha | Meaw: maybe you should ditch arts and just use alsa if possible? |
| 23:33.24 | abrotman | arts is a pile of crap |
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| 23:33.28 | linux2 | Vasistha, is it possible to make it so that gtk1.x apps will have the same theme as kde in the config file? |
| 23:33.43 | Vasistha | linux2: no idea |
| 23:33.45 | Meaw | I'm using alsa |
| 23:33.47 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 23:33.51 | Meaw | im not using art anymore |
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| 23:34.01 | Erudified | abrotman i couldn't agree more - I think they're getting rid of arts in kde4 |
| 23:34.16 | abrotman | it was just taking up space :) |
| 23:34.43 | Erudified | a thin abstraction layer for handling the differences across platforms would be apropos |
| 23:34.45 | jbit_ | Erudified: Well, thats interesting as well. Well, the way I see it now... Fedora supports selinux and execguard fairly well, and if it also benefits from vendor support... and vulnerabiliy differences are a function of admin competence... I'm not sure what good reasons exist to use debian under those circumstances. |
| 23:35.05 | Erudified | jbit_ For your organization there may not be any |
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| 23:35.27 | Erudified | jbit_ It's worth noting that SELinux et al. are simple to incorporate into debian and roll out across a server farm |
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| 23:35.37 | jbit_ | Erudified: What then would you see the advantages, if any, of debian being? |
| 23:35.51 | jbit_ | that was a contorted sentence... |
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| 23:36.10 | zinx | !tell jbit_ about whydebian |
| 23:36.44 | punit | I have a problem configuring X.org on Dell Optiplex GX620 with Dell 2405 FPW monitor. Can somebody help? |
| 23:36.45 | zinx | jbit_: if something else works better than debian for you, then use it; don't bug us about it. |
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| 23:37.04 | jbit_ | zinx: Thanks, I'm having a discussion, not trying to bug you. |
| 23:37.21 | zinx | jbit_: this channel is support for debian users |
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| 23:37.37 | jbit_ | zinx: Ok, good point. Sorry. |
| 23:37.43 | Erudified | jbit_, In my experience debian's packages are extremely well thought out; the apache2 packages are a great example. They're the best I've ever seen, bar none. Debian has no real commercial interest, so you will *never* see a compromise made for the sake of profit in Debian |
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| 23:38.18 | myren | what is my floppy device? |
| 23:38.21 | [Thom] | I can not access the internet via my debian box, but can access other systems behind my router, what gives? |
| 23:38.21 | myren | /dev/_____ ? |
| 23:38.33 | zinx | myren: is it internal? |
| 23:38.34 | Andon | fdX |
| 23:38.38 | abrotman | stew: no more wangs ... |
| 23:38.41 | myren | zinx: yes |
| 23:38.44 | choon | /dev/fd0 ? |
| 23:38.52 | myren | fuck i was afraid of that |
| 23:38.59 | Erudified | jbit_, the ease of keeping multiple servers in sync is great too |
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| 23:39.09 | myren | our work has one floppy disk, and it is of course borked. |
| 23:39.12 | magyar | anyone using amavis? |
| 23:39.12 | abrotman | myren: you're upset it's internal ? |
| 23:39.19 | jbit_ | Erudified: by in sync you mean... |
| 23:39.21 | abrotman | myren: go buy more? |
| 23:39.21 | choon | ah |
| 23:39.45 | zinx | myren: tell 'em to get CD-RWs |
| 23:40.00 | myren | it stores the m0n0wall config |
| 23:40.09 | abrotman | and it's borked? |
| 23:40.14 | Erudified | jbit_ I mean having exactly the same version of every package, creating custom packages and rolling them out easily, etc |
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| 23:40.15 | [Thom] | I can't find anything in my router configuration, and this used to work... |
| 23:40.18 | myren | yup |
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| 23:40.19 | [Thom] | DNS maybe? |
| 23:40.34 | myren | we have a backup of the image, but we dont have a disk to give m0n0wall that disk image |
| 23:40.51 | zinx | myren: welcome to the wonderful world of floppy disks |
| 23:40.56 | GeorgeS069 | magyar: I've messed with amavisd a bit...what is the problem? |
| 23:41.09 | zinx | myren: stores still sell them, btw |
| 23:41.14 | Erudified | jbit_, The real strength of debian lies in the package maintainers. There are simply more of them than for any other distribution that I'm aware of. |
| 23:41.19 | zinx | myren: might want to have someone go pick some up :) |
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| 23:41.39 | myren | 7-11 only stops usb sticks. :( |
| 23:41.47 | myren | *stocks |
| 23:41.53 | zinx | myren: yeah, you'll probably have to go to a more computer-oriented store than that |
| 23:41.55 | Zeroth405 | how exactly does /dev/random work? |
| 23:42.01 | zinx | myren: or 'office' oriented |
| 23:42.04 | GeorgeS069 | Compusa and bestbuy are usually open til 9pm or later |
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| 23:42.29 | zinx | Zeroth: That's quite complicated, but the basic idea is it gathers entropy, runs some filters on it, and spurts it back out |
| 23:42.55 | jbit_ | Erudified: Well, you've given me alot to think about. You've been very helpful, thanks. |
| 23:42.58 | Erudified | jbit, the entire userland is wonderfully thought out, too; debootstrap, etc etc etc; when you find yourself wanting to do something off-the-wall in Debian, 99% of the time someone else has already done it, documented it, and made it available in less than 100 keystrokes. |
| 23:43.05 | zinx | Zeroth: /dev/urandom is similar, but it uses the entropy as a seed/modifier for a pseudo-random number generator which can generate numbers without having more entropy |
| 23:43.32 | Erudified | But the best thing to do is just see what you and your team (if you have one) is comfortable with |
| 23:43.35 | jbit_ | Erudified: Yeah, I've noticed that. Especially using apache like you were saying. |
| 23:43.54 | [Thom] | I can ping any other system behind my router, but anything outside of it times out. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:43.59 | jelly-home | Zeroth405: apparently there's a description in the paper linked at http://www.securiteam.com/unixfocus/5RP0E0AIKK.html |
| 23:44.07 | abrotman | [Thom]: wrong gateway? |
| 23:44.27 | linux2 | what would i add to fstab to allow the drive to eject by pushing the button? |
| 23:44.30 | [Thom] | abrotman: Where do I check that? |
| 23:44.46 | Zeroth405 | thanks zinx, jelly-home |
| 23:44.52 | sng | abrotman: Hooray for boobies! |
| 23:45.08 | magyar | GeorgeS069: i get no spam tagging |
| 23:45.47 | linux2 | sng, why the comment? |
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| 23:45.54 | GeorgeS069 | magyar: you may need to adjust the levels for tagging in /etc/amavisd.conf |
| 23:46.07 | GeorgeS069 | and make sure spamassissin is working |
| 23:46.21 | sng | linux2: It's this little thing we like to call a "joke". |
| 23:46.29 | abrotman | sng: damn straight |
| 23:46.41 | abrotman | [Thom]: /etc/network/interfaces .. unless it's DHCP |
| 23:46.44 | linux2 | sng, ahh ok. never heard of a "joke" |
| 23:46.50 | sng | abrotman: Yay! |
| 23:46.52 | magyar | GeorgeS069: etch doesnt use amavisd.conf, but on the same not do you know if i need to specify mydomain or it resolves by itself? |
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| 23:47.28 | bnovc | quotacheck: Cannot find filesystem to check or filesystem not mounted with quota option. |
| 23:47.31 | abrotman | sng: those guys are from right down the road |
| 23:47.38 | bnovc | i've put it in /etc/fstab and it was working before but it stopped |
| 23:47.43 | sng | abrotman: Yeah. I know. |
| 23:47.44 | bnovc | is there a way i can restart quota w/o rebooting |
| 23:47.46 | abrotman | sng: on top of .. the blob(original) was filmed the next town over |
| 23:47.56 | sng | Cool. |
| 23:48.01 | abrotman | maybe |
| 23:48.02 | [Thom] | abrotman: That just defines the loopback and primary network interface... no gateway defined in there at all. |
| 23:48.21 | abrotman | should be |
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| 23:49.05 | abrotman | GAH .. someone is making a second remake of The Blob .. wtf is wrong with people |
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| 23:49.13 | GeorgeS069 | magyar: try /etc/amavis/amavisd.conf then I know it's there somewhere and you should specify your domain in that file as $mydomain = domain.com |
| 23:49.43 | GeorgeS069 | remaking a remake? |
| 23:49.45 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 23:49.50 | jelly-home | GeorgeS069: eh, Debian maintainers have chopped amavisd.conf into bits and pieces. |
| 23:49.58 | vldmr | plz, can anyone tell me about the debian powerpc iso? |
| 23:50.00 | GeorgeS069 | oh shoot...that's right |
| 23:50.05 | vldmr | ops |
| 23:50.24 | vldmr | plz, can anyone tell me a url with debian powerpc iso? |
| 23:50.26 | abrotman | !d-i vldmr |
| 23:50.26 | dpkg | vldmr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:50.28 | pipeline | vldmr: debian.org |
| 23:50.32 | GeorgeS069 | settings for the new amavisd-new are in /etc/amavis/conf.d/ |
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| 23:51.09 | vldmr | pipeline: X:) plz the full url to powerpc iso ? |
| 23:51.18 | pipeline | vldmr: You moron. |
| 23:51.51 | magyar | GeorgeS069: the documentation in etch explains that the daemon discovers all that data |
| 23:52.13 | azeem | pipeline: please rather ignore people than calling them names |
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| 23:52.47 | GeorgeS069 | magyar: sorry...I've only worked with the older one...I hated the new config arrangement |
| 23:53.10 | vldmr | ok |
| 23:53.19 | vldmr | no names here |
| 23:53.38 | azeem | vldmr: see under http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 23:53.53 | magyar | GeorgeS069: as i work with it, I like it better actualy, more organised. |
| 23:54.10 | vldmr | debian full installer is sales? |
| 23:54.26 | abrotman | !br |
| 23:54.27 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:54.59 | Meaw | !ar |
| 23:54.59 | dpkg | i guess ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
| 23:55.58 | jelly-home | magyar, GeorgeS069: I found a nice page describing the new layout at http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/debian-amavisd-new_2.3.3.html |
| 23:56.06 | Heston | why does debian use Xfree86? |
| 23:56.23 | Heston | xorg is so much better |
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| 23:56.35 | jelly-home | Heston: ... it also uses xorg. |
| 23:56.38 | azeem | Heston: testing and unstable use x.org |
| 23:56.42 | Meaw | you can install xorg in debian |
| 23:56.56 | Heston | oh |
| 23:56.58 | Elive_user2 | Hello, dose anyone run e17 on debian? |
| 23:57.06 | Meaw | i have xorg and kde |
| 23:57.44 | Heston | should i install stable first, then update to testing or should i find a testing cd? |
| 23:58.09 | Meaw | no |
| 23:58.23 | azeem | Heston: either works, but xfree86 might work for you |
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| 23:58.44 | Heston | xfree86 didnt pick up my video card or monitor specs |
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| 23:58.53 | Heston | xorg never had a problem with either |
| 23:59.30 | magyar | jelly-home: thank you, i just would like to see in the logs which domainname it is tagging for |
| 23:59.34 | eleftherios | Heston, you can find Etch CDs there (either netinst or full CDs) http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:59.52 | karihre | Is there any way to access the debian installer, or the partitioner part of it, after installation from within the system (without booting the install cd again)? |
