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| 00:00.27 | Heston | eleftherios, thanks |
| 00:00.42 | jelly-home | magyar: I don't remember that tagging had anything to do with $mydomain... |
| 00:00.46 | eleftherios | Heston, :-) |
| 00:01.19 | jelly-home | magyar: then again, last thing I used was 2.3.2 and that old 20030610psomething version. |
| 00:01.44 | magyar | jelly-home: http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/#faq-spam the sixth or seventh question |
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| 00:02.38 | magyar | jelly-home: i got two identical servers and one does it the otherone doesnt. I copied configuration files but still no tagging, only for postmaster |
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| 00:04.09 | plb | arghh damn ipod will not get recognized wth |
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| 00:04.36 | GeorgeS069 | think I ran into a problem already....I used 2.6 but,drive access is really slow...been building the first raid5 for almost an hour and it's only 50% done |
| 00:05.01 | karihre | Is there no way to access the installers partitioner after installation? |
| 00:05.03 | jelly-home | magyar: hm. You don't have sendmail + amavisd-new-milter, do you? |
| 00:05.19 | magyar | jelly-home: nope, postfix |
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| 00:06.55 | jelly-home | magyar: Does antivirus work? |
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| 00:07.32 | jelly-home | magyar: (that is, is amavis active at all?) |
| 00:08.26 | magyar | jelly-home: yes, av works, spam-tagging also works but only when the final destination is "postmaster" |
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| 00:09.08 | magyar | jelly-home: to any localuser no taggs are added |
| 00:09.36 | cesarstafe | what is the problem? |
| 00:09.58 | cesarstafe | Won't mirror without dists/stable/update .... |
| 00:10.49 | cesarstafe | i try get packages from security.debian.org and get that bad message |
| 00:10.51 | jelly-home | magyar: can you put your master.cf somewhere for comparison? I have one here that appears to work. |
| 00:12.10 | jelly-home | magyar: here's what's added here (for postfix/amavis in stable): http://pastebin.com/709746 |
| 00:12.24 | cesarstafe | my script for update local mirror is this |
| 00:12.47 | GeorgeS069 | Sounds like amavisd is sending all spam to postmaster....or maybe the spam is rated so high it doesn't pass it to the user....that should be set by $spam_final_destination in 15-content_filter I think |
| 00:13.25 | cesarstafe | debmirror /mirror/security/ -v --host=security.debian.org --root=/debian-security --dist=etch/updates --arch=i386 --method=http --progress --proxy=http://168.96.132.19:8000/ --ignore-release-gpg --cleanup |
| 00:13.30 | magyar | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/709749 |
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| 00:13.45 | jelly-home | GeorgeS069: hm, but tags should be added regardless of the message being spam or not. |
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| 00:14.25 | GeorgeS069 | ohh...so it passes the mail but,doesn't tag spam as **SPAM** ? |
| 00:14.43 | cesarstafe | somebody help me about this problem with debmirror ?!? -----"Won't mirror without dists/stable/update" |
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| 00:16.01 | StuckMojo | anyone running openbox and using update-menus with stuff in ~/.menu ? |
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| 00:20.13 | dondelelcaro | StuckMojo: I was; you can see my menu file here: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/x_base/.config/openbox/ |
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| 00:23.16 | StuckMojo | dondelelcaro: i've symlinked /etc/menu-methods/openbox to ~/.menu-methods/ and now i'm getting a personal menu gererated in ~/.config/openbox/debian-menu.xml |
| 00:23.25 | StuckMojo | but it doesn't seem to be picking up my files in ~/.menu |
| 00:24.19 | StuckMojo | oh shit i know why |
| 00:25.45 | itchi | Hi guys, i have break a bit my system :-/ I have try to install 'fgfs' of the Unstable branch on a Sarge box. Like it fail half on the way. So i have try to install 'libgcc1' and 'simgear0'. But like it complain endless about depencies, i go not more. So i want to remove these to 'libgcc1' and 'simgear0'. |
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| 00:26.26 | EdLin | !bobbitt |
| 00:26.26 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 00:26.32 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 00:26.32 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 00:26.47 | StuckMojo | LOL |
| 00:26.49 | EdLin | !abrotman++ |
| 00:26.56 | itchi | But if i try to remove these two, he want to remove an whole bunch of apps. I only need to remove these two. How can i remove with apt an specific version of an applications? |
| 00:27.03 | StuckMojo | !backport |
| 00:27.04 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 00:27.19 | StuckMojo | oh wow, there's a source for it now? |
| 00:27.19 | itchi | On backports there are no port of it :-/ |
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| 00:28.03 | StuckMojo | this is the old message: simple sid backport is probably 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 00:28.24 | abrotman | ~simple sid backport |
| 00:28.26 | apt | i guess simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 00:28.32 | StuckMojo | ah, duh |
| 00:28.46 | abrotman | mmm .. more heartburn .. i love spicy food! |
| 00:28.54 | itchi | But on the other way, some complain about milkshake. But like wath dpkg tell, is it not an milkshake? |
| 00:29.05 | fl0w | Weird question, I can't reinstall my debian installation because my CD just broke, and I've got lots of crap installed I don't want! Is there a nice way to resete all packages? |
| 00:29.30 | abrotman | deborphan and debfoster |
| 00:29.39 | fl0w | thanks, I'm on it. |
| 00:30.00 | abrotman | the manpage for deborphan is pretty useful |
| 00:30.43 | fl0w | the man pages are always useful.. |
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| 00:31.01 | jelly-home | fl0w: what an optimistic view. ;-) |
| 00:31.28 | charzero | is anybody using fglrx in Etch ? |
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| 00:31.38 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 00:31.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 00:32.00 | fl0w | jelly-home, yea I reacted on that myself .. But I'm high on suger and extremly tired, or something |
| 00:32.05 | abrotman | sugar |
| 00:32.09 | fl0w | sugar* |
| 00:32.16 | fl0w | yea, that's what I said |
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| 00:32.50 | jelly-home | This is not a grammer correction channel, ya know |
| 00:32.53 | itchi | But im sure the two packages i have try to install, are not really installed. Like he have fail. I have try to install it with 'kpackage'. But why now he complain that there are now 2 broken packages? Like it's not installed ? confused :-/ |
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| 00:33.55 | Ryushin | I'm compiling a new kernel (I've compiled hundreds before) but I'm having a real issue with it mounting the root file system during boot. I'm suspecting that a moudule isn't being loaded for the scsi raid and it will kernel panic. The boot messages just fly by. Is there a way to pause the boot messages or make it go line by line? |
| 00:34.04 | itchi | He had fail for x or y package. So i think normally it does not give an troubles. But it's looks not :-/ That why i had try, whit the spirit; if it work :-/ |
| 00:35.13 | jelly-home | magyar: I don't have an idea, just switched to postfix a few days ago and don't know much about it. My mails also don't have X-Spam-* headers, only X-Virus-Scanned, so something may be amiss. ;-) |
| 00:35.21 | itchi | Work that the pause/break key on the keybord?? |
| 00:37.06 | Ryushin | itchi: Doesn't seem to work, nor does ctrl+s. |
| 00:37.27 | magyar | jelly-home: set your "#$spam_admin = "postmaster\@$myhostname";" and watcch it tag |
| 00:37.34 | itchi | Ryushin: Is there not an tty reserved for output?? |
| 00:37.43 | GeorgeS069 | itchi: look in /var/log/dmesg |
| 00:37.48 | jelly-home | itchi: you really don't want to install packages from unstable, but want a backport. /msg dpkg backports for starters |
| 00:38.14 | itchi | jelly-home: Yes, i know, but it's not in backports :-/ |
| 00:38.47 | jelly-home | itchi: have yor tried the /msg dpkg simple sid backport cookbook? |
| 00:39.07 | Ryushin | itchi: Well, I guess I can enable lilo and the kernel boot over ttyS0, then I can just hook my laptop to it. Might as well give that a go. |
| 00:39.12 | Ryushin | minicom here I com. |
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| 00:40.41 | itchi | jelly-home: /msg dpkg simple sid backport cookbook |
| 00:40.57 | itchi | jelly-home: It does not give some things |
| 00:41.28 | vvviper|a | is there a quick way to find out which packages installed are from stable / testing / unstable ? |
| 00:41.37 | redblades | Hey, I was wondering, is WebDAV the thing on apache where you put files in a folder and they are uploaded? |
| 00:41.59 | charzero | Do I have to have used a debian kernel to use module-assistant? |
| 00:42.28 | jelly-home | itchi: "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" |
| 00:42.36 | pipeline | charzero: Hypothetically no, in reality, yes. You should have used a debian kernel to begin with. (Or at least built your kernel within the debian build system...) |
| 00:42.46 | itchi | jelly-home: Yeah :-) |
| 00:42.51 | pipeline | charzero: Debian caters to lazy men, *as long as you work within the system*. |
| 00:43.27 | charzero | pipeline: shoot. i'm using a kernel that i've been using since before i installed debian. |
| 00:43.54 | pipeline | charzero: Bad plan. Build a new kernel using the faculties of the package system. |
| 00:44.08 | pipeline | charzero: i.e. start with a kernel source package, then use the make-kpkg way, tweak as necessary. |
| 00:44.08 | jelly-home | charzero: well if you have sources intact m-a ought to work. |
| 00:44.12 | jelly-home | pipeline: why? |
| 00:44.35 | pipeline | jelly-home: Because there is no reason whatsoever to tempt fate by working outside of it. I haven't built a kernel in, uh, pushing two years now. Modular kernels actually WORK |
| 00:45.06 | itchi | jelly-home: But finaly, to be honest. I'm thinking to switch to Etch or Sid. More to Etch. I need some newer package, it begin to are a bit to many. And like for Flightgear. I want to try to hack that a bit with begin to make some change/make some textures of planes |
| 00:45.12 | jelly-home | pipeline: nm, sorry. m-a actually goes to build packages, so I guess they would have to depend on the kernel package. |
| 00:45.26 | charzero | pipeline: where should i start looking for documentation about debian's kernel building system? |
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| 00:45.50 | pipeline | charzero: I don't remember. I would start by installing build-essential and make-kpkg and check the /usr/share/doc for make-kpkg. |
| 00:46.17 | charzero | pipeline: any chance that make-kpkg will work with my existing (and working) /usr/src/linux ? |
| 00:46.19 | itchi | jelly-home: On the Sarge on, it's a bit to outdated. I not want to get the lastest version to get the lastest wistles. But for the code of it, yes, i need the lastest version of some apps :-/ |
| 00:47.07 | pipeline | itchi: Try backports first; failing that, upgrade to etch. |
| 00:47.18 | pipeline | charzero: hahahahah good luck with that |
| 00:47.19 | itchi | charzero: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
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| 00:47.36 | jelly-home | itchi: we do frequent backports to sarge here for a few apps. It's not a big deal, but you have to have some experience with tweaking dependencies in debian sources. Sometimes you have to backport an additional library or two to get to satisfy the build dependencies. |
| 00:48.42 | charzero | itchi: thanks |
| 00:48.55 | jelly-home | itchi: but this is for server environments. if you have your own desktop and don't mind occasional breakage, sure, upgrade to testing. |
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| 00:49.10 | itchi | jelly-home: Bwa, i not realy want to backport. Or i could realy use it if a make /some/ backports of my favoriete. But in the most case, it need to many things. So i guess i need to upgrade :-/ |
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| 00:49.41 | itchi | jelly-home: If it break, _we_ repair it ;-) |
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| 00:51.34 | itchi | jelly-home: It's here for my desktop, my main computer. In one way i think it's good to switch to Etch on that computer like i'm olways on it. But if that one break :-/ With break, i mean loose on no more could access my data. Playing without x for a time is not realy a problem. |
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| 00:52.59 | olskolirc | can someone tell me where my kernel header files live in Debian so that I can install vmware please? |
| 00:53.05 | itchi | jelly-home: I hope that with Etch and Sid that there are not some /filesystem/ breaks or so. I mean that when it break we loose some things |
| 00:53.53 | itchi | olskolirc: dpkg -L package ?? |
| 00:54.27 | olskolirc | thanks |
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| 00:55.33 | jelly-home | olskolirc: usually you have to install the kernel-headers-x.y.z package corresponding to your kernel-image-x.y.z package. |
| 00:55.56 | charzero | pipeline: Do I need to use initrd with debian kernel? I've never used it before. |
| 00:59.09 | itchi | How can i know which version of an package of another branch? I want to know the version of an app of Etch. Flightgear |
| 00:59.18 | De_Mon | is there some magical way to determine what host names an ip resolves to? |
| 00:59.30 | itchi | There is an trick with dpkg, but i not remember it |
| 00:59.41 | De_Mon | not just the reverse lookup mind you |
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| 01:00.57 | magyar | jelly-home: i got it, there ia a bug in debian amavisd-new |
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| 01:01.33 | jelly-home | magyar: ah. is it filed in bts already? |
| 01:01.51 | magyar | jelly-home: it seems like "@local_domains_acl = ( ".$mydomain" );" cant resolve |
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| 01:02.02 | magyar | jelly-home: dunno |
| 01:02.34 | jelly-home | magyar: btw, is your $sa_tag_level_deflt set low enough? |
| 01:02.59 | GeorgeS069 | another reason for me to go with Stable :) |
| 01:03.28 | magyar | jelly-home: yeap it's at two, if ireplace .$mydomain with .mydoamin.com, it works |
| 01:03.42 | rbd | hi guys, every time I do a debian system update, it always wants to remove 20 or so packages...having to do with gnome, xserver, python, and some libraries, etc... seems somewhat of a random collection. I never told it to remove any of this...like last time it had set to remove gnome-applets, xfonts-100dpi, etc,....I ran it immediately after, after removing them and then reselecting the removed packages...now it wants to remove about 25 mo |
| 01:03.42 | rbd | re... like file-roller and gnome-utils... any ideas? |
| 01:04.21 | GeorgeS069 | told you to set $mydomain in the config files :) |
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| 01:04.28 | jelly-home | magyar: I put mine to -100 and tagging works, but this is amavis from stable, so... |
| 01:04.36 | cheatersrealm | anyone have a link to the debian stable installer (any installer will do) ? |
| 01:05.01 | magyar | GeorgeS069: i know, but it's wiered, the doc's tell you that the prog does the resolution for you "Dont change a thing" |
| 01:05.17 | epsilon | netinstall or full DVD ISO? |
| 01:05.23 | jelly-home | magyar: and our custom install scripts explicitely set $mydomain too. |
| 01:05.31 | cheatersrealm | epsilon: smaller is better |
| 01:05.52 | GeorgeS069 | magyar: this is on an Etch system correct? |
| 01:06.16 | GeorgeS069 | aka testing |
| 01:06.22 | magyar | jelly-home: as i mentioned all my stable releases work, even one old install of etch, but if one installs a fresh coppy there are a number of small issues. Like samba and now amavisd-new |
| 01:06.39 | epsilon | cheatersrealm: well, dor netinstall you have to download the packages durling the installation (100-150MB depends on arch). With full DVD ISO, you can install offline (but 2 full DVDs) |
| 01:06.40 | magyar | GeorgeS069: roger |
| 01:06.57 | epsilon | s/dor/for |
| 01:07.13 | jelly-home | magyar: better to report to BTS, else it will go unnoticed. |
| 01:07.26 | cheatersrealm | epictetus: ssh + svn + apache + php + mysql is faster via small download |
| 01:07.30 | magyar | jelly-home: no problems, am on it |
| 01:07.37 | gentgeen__ | when I go to http://online.k12.com/login/ my login info is above the box. I can only see the very bottom edge of the letters/cursor. Any thoughts on how to fix that? |
| 01:07.38 | GeorgeS069 | Does it use /etc/mailname to get the domain name? |
| 01:07.48 | GeorgeS069 | perhaps mailname is set wrong |
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| 01:07.53 | epsilon | cheatersrealm: if the box is online, sure. You need netinstall |
| 01:08.04 | United | i installed apache but it wont let any of the graphics load. everything else comes up good. any idea? |
| 01:08.29 | magyar | GeorgeS069: yes it does, but i checked it and it's all set fine, also checked reverse forward resolution and so forth |
| 01:08.51 | GeorgeS069 | ok...I know mine was just the hostname when I had Etch installed |
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| 01:09.01 | GeorgeS069 | first thing I fixed |
| 01:09.08 | epsilon | cheatersrealm: http://www.de.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 01:09.17 | GeorgeS069 | United: check the file owner/group and permissions |
| 01:09.43 | magyar | GeorgeS069: it gets $myhostname = /etc/mailname |
| 01:10.11 | cheatersrealm | epsilon: thanks |
| 01:10.17 | cheatersrealm | epsilon: all I gotta do is get the 40mb image :) |
| 01:10.26 | GeorgeS069 | yesI know that but,oes it also try to get the 'domain.com' from that file? |
| 01:10.34 | GeorgeS069 | err does |
| 01:10.48 | epsilon | cheatersrealm: I strongly recommend the 180MB image (i386 version is only 111MB) |
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| 01:11.10 | cheatersrealm | epsilon: I'm bareley isntalling any packages |
| 01:11.14 | magyar | GeorgeS069: i dunno about that |
| 01:11.21 | cheatersrealm | epsilon: plus once I start it going I can watch more futurama |
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| 01:11.39 | magyar | GeorgeS069: it just proves that the amavis prog cant resolve |
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| 01:11.57 | belito | identify belito |
| 01:12.01 | GeorgeS069 | I'm not sure either but,I know I had put the full name in that file name.domain.com and it worked ok for me when I had it running |
| 01:12.16 | magyar | GeorgeS069: would be nice to see what domain it monitors in startup logs though |
| 01:12.39 | magyar | GeorgeS069: mine also has the full name |
| 01:12.43 | GeorgeS069 | It should log to /var/log/mail.log or mail.info |
| 01:13.12 | magyar | GeorgeS069: it just logs which modules it has avail and so forth nothing about domains |
| 01:13.53 | GeorgeS069 | run amavisd-new --debug and it should log everything to the console |
| 01:14.52 | GeorgeS069 | that should give you everything it does...all debug info etc... |
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| 01:15.26 | jelly-home | ah, the fine art of backporting. To install new amavis, you need: a sh*tload of perl modules. why oh why must I have Compress::Zlib 1.35 and sarge and 1.34? |
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| 01:15.39 | jelly-home | ... and sarge has 1.34? |
| 01:15.52 | rkrush | Hey, roughly speaking, how long should it take me to install Debian (floppy + network install) and get it to the point where I can log in thorugh ssh and complete the install? |
| 01:16.01 | GeorgeS069 | Compress::Zlib is so amavisd and clamav can check compressed files |
| 01:16.06 | jelly-home | rkrush: bout half hour. |
| 01:16.22 | rkrush | jelly-home: Even if I'm a long-time FreeBSD user and haven't installed Debian before? |
| 01:16.24 | jelly-home | rkrush: for cd, dunno about floppies. |
| 01:16.45 | jelly-home | rkrush: oh, make it an hour or two then. |
| 01:16.46 | GeorgeS069 | the debian install is pretty simple |
| 01:17.04 | GeorgeS069 | I use expert mode already and I've only been using debian for 2 weeks:) |
| 01:17.13 | jelly-home | rkrush: it's rather straightforward, unless you get into hardware problems. |
| 01:17.18 | rkrush | GeorgeS069: How many times did you reinstall? :P |
| 01:17.35 | GeorgeS069 | LOL...I'm on my 111th time now:) |
| 01:17.38 | rkrush | jelly-home: I shouldn't, it's not the newest system on the block and most of the hardware should be pretty well supported by now. |
| 01:17.45 | GeorgeS069 | going back to "stable" |
| 01:18.14 | GeorgeS069 | I had hardware "issues"...silly fool me bought a motherboard from this century |
| 01:18.42 | GeorgeS069 | wish I still had my 486 with the killer VESA local bus graphics card |
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| 01:19.20 | jelly-home | ooh, VLB card. those had nice _text_ modes, 100x37... |
| 01:19.32 | jelly-home | at whooping 90Hz ;-) |
| 01:19.42 | GeorgeS069 | I had a DX266 :) |
| 01:21.05 | CompWizrd | i have a dual opteron 265 with a trident 9440 in it.. i'm sure the video is well supported by now ;) |
| 01:21.28 | debian | rkrush: why do you want to reinstall anyway. :) |
| 01:21.32 | GeorgeS069 | you kernel wizards better get ready...I'm gonna need lots of help getting a 2.6 kernel on this box with ATIIXP chipset :) |
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| 01:22.30 | tonsofpcs | Someone want to walk me through a backport so I know how to do it in the future? |
| 01:22.42 | charzero | I just made a kernel package with make-dpkg. Is it going to try to modify my grub menu.lst if i install it? |
| 01:23.43 | GeorgeS069 | I'm moving 150gigs of data onto another PC and them I'm gonna do the stable install using ext3 |
| 01:24.46 | k-god | Any suggestions for DHCP management interface that only sucks to a reasonable degree? |
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| 01:25.09 | tonsofpcs | k-god: what's reasonable for you? |
| 01:25.14 | k-god | charzero: Yes. Same as any other kernel would. It'll add itself to the list of runnable kernels. |
| 01:25.52 | abrotman | k-god: vi |
| 01:26.01 | k-god | tonsofpcs: Dunno. Question just came up at the office. Usable by nontechnical staff / non-Linux sysadmin staff, doesn't eat its own young, ideally plays well with hand-tweakage as well. |
| 01:26.03 | charzero | k-god: Whats it going to do if it finds a menu.lst that I wrote by hand and Debian hasn't touched? |
| 01:26.05 | rkrush | debian: Because I'll be moving my server to a Mac soon and FreeBSD doesn't run all that well on PPC. Debian was recommdended to me as the next best thing ;) |
| 01:26.09 | k-god | abrotman: My first two responses were bash and shell. |
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| 01:26.21 | tonsofpcs | k-god: consumer router? |
| 01:26.22 | abrotman | k-god: are you going to cry? |
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| 01:26.30 | jelly-home | k-god: shell eats it's children! |
| 01:26.34 | jelly-home | argh |
| 01:26.37 | jelly-home | s/it's/its/ |
| 01:26.44 | k-god | charzero: Not sure. Conffiles should be inviolate, I think. Make a backup ;-) |
| 01:27.08 | k-god | tonsofpcs: No, test lab environment. |
| 01:27.12 | k-god | abrotman: ? |
| 01:27.24 | abrotman | yes! |
| 01:27.28 | k-god | abrotman: I don't cry, I storm. |
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| 01:27.39 | tonsofpcs | k-god: nix based dhcpd with a hand-made web frontend for the config changing? |
| 01:27.55 | k-god | tonsofpcs: Yeah, that's about the third or fourth answer. |
| 01:28.06 | k-god | How badly does webmin suck these days? |
| 01:28.22 | k-god | ... and/or is there anything vaguely like cpanel for sysconfig stuff? |
| 01:28.25 | tonsofpcs | no clue |
| 01:28.52 | tonsofpcs | actually, amybe openwrt has a good dhcp server with web-based config? |
| 01:28.57 | abrotman | k-god: okeedokee |
| 01:28.58 | tonsofpcs | [never tried it] |
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| 01:29.06 | k-god | tonsofpcs: openwrt? |
| 01:29.23 | k-god | abrotman: Congratulations! |
| 01:29.25 | tonsofpcs | k-god: custom firmware for the linksys WRT routers and similar |
| 01:29.26 | k-god | abrotman: You win! |
| 01:29.30 | GeorgeS069 | openwrt is for linksys wrt54g routers |
| 01:29.41 | j-bit | Is there anything wrong with compiling mysql 5 from source instead of waiting for etch? Is that going to raise problems later? |
| 01:29.59 | tonsofpcs | j-bit: yes, but what doesn't? |
| 01:30.12 | j-bit | tonsofpcs: so true... |
| 01:30.26 | abrotman | k-god: why can't you leave the cows alone? |
| 01:30.33 | abrotman | cows == bots |
| 01:30.44 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: which bots? |
| 01:31.01 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 01:31.14 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: No you haven't! |
| 01:31.22 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:31.25 | j-bit | I is a bot. |
| 01:31.35 | jelly-home | abrotman: pants on fire! |
| 01:31.40 | j-bit | not really |
| 01:31.43 | tonsofpcs | I are bot. Resistance is ohmic. You will be IRCsimulated |
| 01:31.45 | abrotman | !tell j-bit about backports |
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| 01:31.55 | abrotman | jelly-home: dunno .. is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:31.57 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: wanna walk me through backports? ;) |
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| 01:32.04 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: you lost me on that one |
| 01:32.30 | tonsofpcs | I don'tunderstand what dpkg says about backports, I need a walk through for my first one |
| 01:33.00 | liable | tonsofpcs: its fairly well explained on the backports site |
| 01:33.17 | j-bit | abrotman: I've checked out backports... but being paranoid about strange binaries I'm hesitant... do you know anything about the relationship between backports.org and the debian project? |
| 01:33.17 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: what kind of backport? |
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| 01:33.34 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: I want to backport the vlc nightly package to sarge |
| 01:33.45 | abrotman | j-bit: they hold hands .. go on dates .. a little tongue action every once in a while |
| 01:33.48 | tonsofpcs | because I can't stand the bugs from 0.8.1 |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: is it on backports.org or will you be doing the simple sid backport method ? |
| 01:34.14 | j-bit | abrotman: Who wears the pants? |
| 01:34.18 | deadcat_ | is it me or ftp.debian.org doesnt have the Arm arch repo? |
| 01:34.19 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: ummmm... let me check ;) |
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| 01:34.24 | abrotman | j-bit: pants? .. wtf .. why? |
| 01:34.33 | j-bit | abrotman: n/m |
| 01:34.34 | alexbodn | bye all |
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| 01:34.52 | abrotman | j-bit: i'd say they're just as good as compiling your own from source |
| 01:35.05 | abrotman | j-bit: backports.org is run by a few DDs IIRC |
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| 01:35.17 | jelly-home | abrotman: especially if you take their source. |
| 01:35.28 | tonsofpcs | nope, it's not on backports.org |
| 01:35.38 | j-bit | abrotman: Ok, strange guy from IRC, thats good enough for me! (lol) But anyway, thanks I'll check it out. |
| 01:35.42 | abrotman | !fuck volvo |
| 01:35.51 | abrotman | !fuck the fucking bot cleaners |
| 01:35.59 | jelly-home | !abuse |
| 01:36.00 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 01:36.09 | tonsofpcs | so how do I backport a package myself? |
| 01:36.41 | jelly-home | tonsofpcs: you want to take an upstream nightly tar.gz and make a deb? |
| 01:36.46 | abrotman | you know .. vlc has a ton of dependencies .. this will probably go poorly |
| 01:36.56 | tonsofpcs | jelly-home: no |
| 01:37.13 | tonsofpcs | I want to take a nightly deb and backport it |
| 01:37.17 | jelly-home | oh, there's already a deb. |
| 01:37.28 | tonsofpcs | jelly-home: every night, 3 of em ;) |
| 01:37.46 | DerJamster | What's so special about this nightly one? |
| 01:38.02 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: you could use another player |
| 01:38.04 | tonsofpcs | DerJamster: nothing, I could use the one from unstable also, but it's only a week old.... |
| 01:38.16 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: any suggestions for another streaming player/server |
| 01:38.31 | jelly-home | then you might actually be in the "simple" zone, if you're lucky. But seeing that vlc has half a screen of Build-Depends, if might be not so simple. |
| 01:38.48 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: anything |
| 01:39.04 | jelly-home | "apt-cache showsrc vlc" |
| 01:39.48 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: I don't see an "anything" package... |
| 01:40.05 | DerJamster | You need to press the any key. |
| 01:40.18 | tonsofpcs | oh, and it would be kinda silly for me not to have VLC and be moderating the forums.... |
| 01:40.51 | abrotman | it's probably just silly to have you moderating forums |
| 01:41.13 | DerJamster | *cymbal* |
| 01:41.40 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: true |
| 01:41.55 | tonsofpcs | oh well, I guess it's source time |
| 01:42.05 | tonsofpcs | don't yell at me for compiling from source now ;) |
| 01:42.14 | DerJamster | Compile it, then turn that into a deb ;) |
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| 01:42.37 | abrotman | !tell tonsofpcs about stow |
| 01:42.40 | abrotman | !tell tonsofpcs about checkinstall |
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| 01:42.47 | tonsofpcs | DerJamster: what? is this a community drivin distribution or something? ;) heh |
| 01:42.48 | obscure | i just installed testing and apparently it uses en_GB UTF-8 locale and screws up all curses applications |
| 01:42.55 | obscure | how do i swich back to posix ? |
| 01:43.29 | obscure | no such option in dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:44.18 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: check apt-get.org .. many people doit |
| 01:44.32 | abrotman | obscure: choose C |
| 01:44.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: but where to put it? |
| 01:44.45 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: ok |
| 01:44.48 | DerJamster | obscure: ..don't choose any locales when dpkg-reconfiguring? :) |
| 01:45.06 | tonsofpcs | the package making was a joke, abrotman , I'll do it if I figure out how ;) |
| 01:45.26 | abrotman | !mg |
| 01:45.27 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 01:46.08 | obscure | abrotman, theres is no C in dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:46.10 | jelly-home | tonsofpcs: the nightly debs were built somehow, so ask upstream how do they do that. |
| 01:46.11 | j-bit | Another mysql question. What happens to a mysql database when debian is upgraded to the next stable release? Is it a seamless upgrade that imports all the old databases and config? Or is there breakage or effort required to transition? |
| 01:46.21 | obscure | i deselected-everything |
| 01:46.23 | jelly-home | obscure: that is the implied default. |
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| 01:46.32 | obscure | it commented out the things in locale.gen |
| 01:46.32 | tonsofpcs | jelly-home: I will when they wake up ;0 |
| 01:46.38 | tonsofpcs | they're in europe land ;) |
| 01:46.40 | obscure | but the env vars are still set at UTF-8 |
| 01:46.43 | obscure | wtf is going on ;p |
| 01:46.50 | abrotman | obscure: didn't it ask you for a default? |
| 01:46.55 | obscure | no |
| 01:47.01 | jelly-home | obscure: even after logging out/in? |
| 01:47.08 | obscure | yeah even after login |
| 01:47.09 | abrotman | j-bit: should be dumped/restored ... |
| 01:47.16 | obscure | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.18 | abrotman | j-bit: though .. it is mysql .. that will surely fail |
| 01:47.45 | obscure | chimera50:/etc# cat /etc/locale.gen |
| 01:47.45 | obscure | #en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 01:47.54 | j-bit | abrotman: Now you |
| 01:48.00 | obscure | chimera50:/etc# locale |
| 01:48.00 | obscure | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 01:48.05 | j-bit | abrotman: now your scaring me... |
| 01:48.05 | obscure | LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 01:48.05 | obscure | LANGUAGE=en_GB:en_US:en_GB:en |
| 01:48.06 | jelly-home | obscure: hmm. find /etc -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep en_GB |
| 01:48.07 | obscure | and so on |
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| 01:48.23 | abrotman | j-bit: i'm sure it will work fine .. i think mysql sucks in general .. don't mind me :) |
| 01:48.36 | obscure | jelly-home its in /etc/environment |
| 01:48.37 | j-bit | abrotman: Ahhh... I see, you're one of *them* |
| 01:48.45 | magyar | i use maildrop to deliver mail, how can i do a forward of filtered mail ? |
| 01:48.45 | jelly-home | obscure: that's the one! |
| 01:48.46 | obscure | my question is how do i switch to POSIX/C locale |
| 01:48.47 | abrotman | j-bit: yeah .. the smart peole .. we suck |
| 01:48.50 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:48.52 | j-bit | abrotman: postgres? |
| 01:48.55 | jelly-home | obscure: comment it out. |
| 01:49.13 | stoned | the smart people can't even speall people |
| 01:49.14 | abrotman | j-bit: when i can .. yep .. there's not a single good reason to use mysql |
| 01:49.14 | stoned | hah |
| 01:49.16 | jelly-home | obscure: if no LANG is set, the default is C. |
| 01:49.38 | j-bit | abrotman: I've heard that said about postgres, though I confess I only know mysql. |
| 01:49.38 | bronze | environment variables: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 01:49.38 | bronze | LC_COLLATE=C |
| 01:49.42 | jelly-home | stoned: smart web users use mod_speling |
| 01:49.55 | obscure | ok fixed it |
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| 01:50.06 | obscure | still i dont know why UTF-8 is the default |
| 01:50.16 | j-bit | abrotman: what do you like about postgres so much? |
| 01:50.17 | abrotman | j-bit: i've worked with both .. and other DBs .. pgsql beats mysql easily |
| 01:50.26 | obscure | at the very least you should be able to swich to C/POSIX from the dpkg-reconfigure locales menu |
| 01:50.27 | abrotman | j-bit: what's not to like :) |
| 01:50.31 | jelly-home | obscure: probably because it's the way of the future. |
| 01:50.37 | obscure | not everyone is familiar with commenting out things in /etc/environment |
| 01:50.40 | stoned | jelly-home, define 'smart' |
| 01:50.54 | abrotman | !mysql gotchas |
| 01:50.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mysql gotchas is http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html |
| 01:51.10 | jelly-home | stoned: oh, I was just rehashing your spelling pun. |
| 01:51.13 | j-bit | abrotman: Well, from what I can tell postgres has some cool object oriented data support... but isn't it slower than mysql with MyISAM tables? |
| 01:51.24 | j-bit | abrotman: that was a gross generalization I just made, lol |
| 01:51.30 | stoned | Mr. Brotman, I am in pain |
| 01:51.33 | stoned | :/ |
| 01:51.35 | abrotman | j-bit: that doesn't even take into account the features that aren't in mysql |
| 01:52.03 | abrotman | j-bit: slower? doubtful? but i haven't seen a speed comparison in quite some time |
| 01:52.06 | obscure | why would anyone use mysql ? |
| 01:52.10 | stoned | I do |
| 01:52.10 | abrotman | i have no idea |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | stoned: but you're on drugs |
| 01:52.17 | stoned | whats wrong with mysql? |
| 01:52.21 | obscure | its shit |
| 01:52.24 | stoned | you think... |
| 01:52.32 | stoned | obscure, why? |
| 01:52.40 | obscure | esp since postgres exists, there is absolutely no excuse for somebody to use mysql |
| 01:52.44 | obscure | stoned for many reasons |
| 01:52.45 | jelly-home | mysql: it's simple and it works. |
| 01:52.45 | abrotman | mysql is fine .. as long as you don't need things that most normal DBs have |
| 01:52.47 | obscure | anal licensing for one |
| 01:52.47 | stoned | I've never had a problem with mysql EVER |
| 01:52.58 | stoned | I'm not much for the liscensing |
| 01:52.58 | abrotman | licensing for mysql is totally crappy |
| 01:53.00 | obscure | mysql could not even be called a database 2 years ago |
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| 01:53.11 | stoned | I care less for liscenses, copyrights |
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| 01:53.14 | abrotman | and IIRC .. it's only ACID with a closed-source table |
| 01:53.26 | abrotman | bah .. that didn't come out right |
| 01:53.27 | stoned | if they want to come to my house and bust me, so be it, otherwise keep that legal crap out of my life |
| 01:53.28 | stoned | :/ |
| 01:53.41 | obscure | lack of foreign keys |
| 01:53.45 | obscure | referential integrity |
| 01:53.48 | obscure | did they add these yet ? |
| 01:53.50 | stoned | I also don't get on the software hate bandwagon |
| 01:53.56 | stoned | mysql is grand, works like a charm. |
| 01:53.57 | abrotman | used to not have views or SP |
| 01:54.04 | obscure | mysql was so lacking last time i checked, it was actually funny |
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| 01:54.38 | jelly-home | obscure: now name a, say, php app that actually uses those features. |
| 01:54.52 | obscure | jelly-home i dont use php |
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| 01:55.09 | j-bit | jelly-home: I don't use php either |
| 01:55.11 | RoAkSoAx | hello there, does anyone installed a ipw2200 in a amd athlon 64 with sischipset??? |
| 01:55.27 | obscure | your question is irrelevant though |
| 01:55.33 | obscure | postgres is a real database |
| 01:55.33 | jelly-home | obscure: good for you, but that's the range where mysql is used. |
| 01:55.50 | obscure | mysql is a poor half-assed impostor |
| 01:56.03 | stoned | you're poor |
| 01:56.08 | RoAkSoAx | mysql wasnt a real database since 2 or 3 years ago ? |
| 01:56.23 | RoAkSoAx | hello there, does anyone installed a ipw2200 in a amd athlon 64 with SiSchipset??? |
| 01:56.44 | abrotman | RoAkSoAx: no .. it wasn't |
| 01:56.48 | abrotman | not even close |
| 01:57.00 | j-bit | Whatever mysql was 2 or 3 years ago... doesn't matter because I run software today |
| 01:57.15 | abrotman | j-bit: matters with sarge .. which has mysql4.1 |
| 01:57.19 | obscure | j-bit its still crap though |
| 01:57.36 | RoAkSoAx | yeah that s what i´ve hear :P |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | at least (from what i hear) it stopped eating its own data :) |
| 01:57.52 | DerJamster | Added lots of features in 5, and really..the ones it had in 4 already were more than enough for small projects like Webpages. *shrugs* Actually I think many Webpages should use sqlite instead, since they don't even use most of Mysql's features. |
| 01:58.13 | obscure | DerJamster, "small projects" do not need a database |
| 01:58.30 | iswm | obscure, no it's not. It works fine. Why get into a pissing contest over postgresql vs mysql? For most purposes, either works just as well. Who cares? |
| 01:58.45 | jelly-home | obscure: a fun thing to do with mysql. declare a field as byte (8-bit int). insert eg. 777 into it. no error. ;-) |
| 01:59.26 | obscure | iswm, i don't care anymore i just think its ironic |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | DerJamster: how many of those features aren't actually in the codebase .. like InnoDB or MyISAM |
| 01:59.34 | obscure | all i wanna do these days is hack lisp |
| 01:59.57 | DerJamster | abrotman: Dunno. I don't really care about the mysql vs. postgres thing :> |
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| 02:00.17 | abrotman | DerJamster: besides the total crap licensing of mysql |
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| 02:00.33 | j-bit | abrotman: whats the licensing problem with mysql? |
| 02:00.39 | DerJamster | abrotman: yeah, that sucks. |
| 02:01.00 | epsilon | .oO (use pgsql) |
| 02:01.04 | abrotman | j-bit: it's really really bad |
| 02:01.16 | abrotman | http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/ |
| 02:01.33 | obscure | they re a bunch of clowns |
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| 02:01.53 | obscure | demanding money for the connector is moronic |
| 02:02.21 | RoAkSoAx | hello there, does anyone installed a ipw2200 in a amd athlon 64 with SiSchipset??? |
| 02:02.39 | abrotman | asked #ipw2200 ? |
| 02:02.42 | j-bit | Does postgres support full text indexing? |
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| 02:03.05 | RoAkSoAx | abrotman: i´ve tried no luck |
| 02:03.09 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:03.27 | USmarine | argh...sis chipset |
| 02:03.29 | j-bit | but I can't argue the license |
| 02:03.41 | abrotman | j-bit: i can't think of a single feature that mysql has that pgsql doesn't .. the inverse was(maybe still is) not true |
| 02:03.48 | RoAkSoAx | im crazy about it, i get it to work but i keep getting apic error on cpu0 40(40) |
| 02:04.15 | froze | iptables question: can someone explain why the -j MASQUERADE rule works with -p FORWARD DROP? It seems like the packet would never make it to the nat POSTROUTING chain. |
| 02:04.28 | RoAkSoAx | and some error with some librarys when copmpiling but it still works with that error T.T |
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| 02:04.56 | GeorgeS069 | RoAkSoAx: use noapic and maybe nolapic as boot params |
| 02:05.10 | abrotman | how the hell do you make a database without foreign keys |
| 02:05.31 | RoAkSoAx | GeorgeS069: i did but it shows more errors and they cant get a link with dhcp server |
| 02:05.33 | GeorgeS069 | us Mysql :) |
| 02:06.30 | RoAkSoAx | my network card get disabled or something when i boot with noapic, cant get connection not even trough a hard link |
| 02:06.35 | rkrush | Will I notice much difference in performace if the system is installed on ATA66 vs. ATA100 HD? |
| 02:06.49 | j-bit | I've never had to enforce a foreign key relationship in mysql... you just design the relationship into the database. |
| 02:06.57 | abrotman | that's poor DB design |
| 02:06.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: easy. you embed the logic to check the data consistency in the app. Very ugly though. |
| 02:07.06 | CompWizrd | rkrush: no, even modern drives barely hit the ATA66 limits |
| 02:07.14 | CompWizrd | ata33 vs ata66, sure |
| 02:07.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: i can use flat files then :) |
| 02:07.51 | magyar | i do a global filtration with maildroprc. How can i forward mail to external accounts that only going to Inbox? |
| 02:08.02 | jelly-home | abrotman: but here you have a sql-like interface, which is kinda cool. |
| 02:08.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: i can write my own for flat files .. |
| 02:08.22 | USmarine | any1 one knows why eclipse has mozilla browser as dependency ? |
| 02:08.41 | jelly-home | abrotman: ... release it and call it AbSQL :-P |
| 02:09.00 | abrotman | jelly-home: and just to trump mysql .. it'll have views! |
| 02:09.17 | abrotman | all residing in /tmp/ :) |
| 02:09.39 | j-bit | abrotman: I've seen some benchmarks that rate mysql poorly, but the one's I've seen use mysql in a default, sub-optimal setup. |
| 02:09.39 | abrotman | to implement? |
| 02:09.47 | jelly-home | unless they're select only, no writing. ;-) |
| 02:09.50 | abrotman | j-bit: the default shouldn't be that poor |
| 02:10.24 | j-bit | abrotman: for example, selects and inserts on MyISAM tables, clearly table locking is going to grind the operations to a halt... but you really shouldn't be using MyISAM tables anyway. |
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| 02:10.45 | abrotman | no .. you should be using postgresql :) |
| 02:10.53 | j-bit | abrotman: I say if you are going to run a database, and you blindly accept the default settings... you deserve whatever you get, lol |
| 02:10.54 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 02:10.56 | dvs | !beer abrotman |
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| 02:11.49 | CompWizrd | pfft.. tuning is for people with budgets.. just throw more hardware at it! |
| 02:11.49 | abrotman | !cheesesteak freakzoid0223 |
| 02:11.49 | rkrush | Which Debian version should I start out with? Stable? |
| 02:11.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:11.59 | GeorgeS069 | yes...stable |
| 02:12.05 | j-bit | abrotman: *sigh* ok, I'll check it out. I really ought to anyhow. |
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| 02:12.23 | abrotman | j-bit: you can play with firebird too :) |
| 02:12.28 | abrotman | and maybe .. ingres |
| 02:12.34 | abrotman | sqlite .. |
| 02:12.39 | abrotman | and now! |
| 02:12.40 | abrotman | !oracle |
| 02:12.41 | dpkg | from memory, oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml Debian packages(for Express Edition) available at http://otn.oracle.com/ or apt repository at http://oss.oracle.com/debian/ |
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| 02:12.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:13.11 | rkrush | Let me rephrase that.. On FreeBSD, there are releases and continuously updated -STABLE branch. If I install a -RELEASE, at some point packages available for it will be outdated, so I generally use -STABLE to get the latest binary packages. Is it the same with Debian? |
| 02:13.13 | abrotman | hey .. if i can run oracle on my laptop .. it can't be that bad .. right? :) |
| 02:13.13 | Piet | ouch, who said that bad word? |
| 02:13.25 | abrotman | rkrush: yes |
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| 02:13.51 | Piet | yes your laptop cant be that bad then |
| 02:14.02 | j-bit | Did I hear someone say whoracle? |
| 02:14.05 | abrotman | rkrush: currently stable is called sarge .. when etch is released .. sarge will be old stable and etch will become stable (no name yet for the next release) .. so if you want to track stable .. track stable .. sarge is sarge .. yeah .. the name you use in sources matters |
| 02:14.14 | abrotman | Piet: it's ok :) |
| 02:14.28 | abrotman | s/old stable/oldstable/ |
| 02:14.52 | Piet | :) |
| 02:15.01 | rkrush | abrotman: Okay, so I should go with "stable" then :) |
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| 02:15.20 | Rodrigokris_ | hi |
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| 02:15.28 | abrotman | rkrush: yep .. and when the time comes ... you'll have to read the manpage for apt-get to understand about dist-upgrade |
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| 02:15.45 | abrotman | well .. you should read it anyways |
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| 02:17.08 | abrotman | Pokey! |
| 02:17.09 | rkrush | Is it all right for floppy images for stable to be from 2005? |
| 02:17.17 | abrotman | rkrush: that's when sarge was released |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | rkrush: etch will likely be released around the end of this year |
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| 02:17.47 | abrotman | or so the plan is anyways |
| 02:17.48 | j-bit | abrotman: I'm looking at the mysql license page... It looks to me like there is only a problem if you want to distribute mysql with your product... I only use it to power web applications so I think I'm fine. Good to know though. |
| 02:17.55 | rkrush | abrotman: So the floppy images for 'stable' are the same as for 'sarge'? |
| 02:18.08 | abrotman | j-bit: the problem is .. they're so vague .. it's hard to tell when you have to pay |
| 02:18.26 | abrotman | rkrush: currently .. yes .. sarge is stable .. and those use 2.4 kernels .. so if you choose after install you can install a 2.6 |
| 02:18.29 | j-bit | abrotman: Yeah it is vague. |
| 02:19.00 | abrotman | j-bit: i've even gone to #mysql for clarifciation .. and one of htier employees couldn't even explain it |
| 02:19.09 | magyar | anyone using maildrop? |
| 02:19.12 | j-bit | abrotman: wow |
| 02:19.16 | rkrush | abrotman: Ah, I see,t hanks :) |
| 02:19.40 | Rodrigokris_ | as I can create diskete to be able to start they debian in a PC that it has like operating system automatically taking to Windows xp without harming to this? |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | j-bit: pgsql has a bsdl .. and some view that as bad .. but if mysql really cared about being opensource .. they'd lgpl the libraries that people need .. oh well |
| 02:20.21 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 02:20.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 02:20.29 | rkrush | abrotman: Is testing much more unstable than stable? |
| 02:20.48 | abrotman | rkrush: some days :) |
| 02:21.00 | rkrush | Okay :D |
| 02:21.06 | Rodrigokris_ | <abrotman> thank |
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| 02:21.33 | abrotman | rkrush: http://wiki.debian.org/Status/Testing |
| 02:22.14 | rkrush | Cool, thanks :) |
| 02:22.27 | abrotman | rkrush: and that's not all of the issues .. that's just a handful |
| 02:22.36 | abrotman | there are packages that can't be installed .. things segfaulting .. |
| 02:22.37 | abrotman | !bts |
| 02:22.37 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 02:22.38 | Supaplex | where does m-a keep the build logs? |
| 02:22.51 | abrotman | crossposter! |
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| 02:23.21 | dendrite | Rodrigokris_: Yes. Installing Debian and XP on the same machine like that is called "dual booting." |
| 02:23.24 | ic3man05 | whats the debian way to change ip address? |
| 02:23.33 | abrotman | !tell ic3man05 about interfaces |
| 02:23.35 | Supaplex | ic3man05: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:23.41 | USmarine | ic3man05, joe /etc/networking |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | where'd blondie go? |
| 02:23.58 | abrotman | USmarine: wrong |
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| 02:24.03 | abrotman | by a lot |
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| 02:24.53 | ic3man05 | how would I go about bringing up the ncurse interface from the install to do it? |
| 02:25.00 | ic3man05 | I figured that was the wrong way to do it |
| 02:25.37 | Supaplex | ic3man05: the intstaller can escape to a shell, or try the other terminals alt+f2 .. f3 etc, alt+f1 to get back |
| 02:26.05 | dendrite | ic3man05: You mean after the installer is done? As in go back and use that same interface? Dunno about that... |
| 02:26.39 | ic3man05 | Supaplex: I already installed I want to get it back, won't bother me if I can't do it |
| 02:27.18 | dendrite | ic3man05: Short answer is you edit /etc/network/interfaces, after reading the interfaces man page. |
| 02:27.39 | dserban_ | When I run update-grub... it says it found the kernel images, and it looks like it updates the menu.lst, but it doesn't. What can I do to debug this? |
| 02:28.19 | linux2 | well |
| 02:28.22 | linux2 | never going to work |
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| 02:28.45 | rkrush | I woner if I can install debian over the network before I have to go to work in an hour :P |
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| 02:29.02 | ic3man05 | dendrite: I know how to do it that way |
| 02:29.08 | ic3man05 | I wanted the debian installer way |
| 02:29.21 | abrotman | rkrush: how fast is your line? |
| 02:29.23 | dendrite | rkrush: In an hour you can set up a basic server, set up ssh, then go to work and ssh in and complete the install. |
| 02:29.39 | rkrush | DSL, not the fastest around, but not bad. |
| 02:29.47 | rkrush | That's what I was thinking too :) |
| 02:30.01 | abrotman | rkrush: most likely .. yes .. |
| 02:30.11 | fl0w | Hi, new to debian here. I've got sarge installed, with apache2 and I'd like to install php5. Allthough, I've read that adding an unstable source is an ugly solution. Is dotdeb an packagelist to trust? |
| 02:30.14 | abrotman | assuming the froppies work and your NIC is detected |
| 02:30.14 | rkrush | is that network-console thing worth anything? |
| 02:30.26 | abrotman | !tell fl0w about backports |
| 02:30.30 | abrotman | check backports.org |
| 02:30.30 | kjm | fl0w : look into backports |
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| 02:30.57 | dserban__ | What do I do to get update-grub to update the /boot/grub/menu.lst file? |
| 02:31.04 | rkrush | Is there a way to check if my NIC is supported? I don't see Hardware list for sarge.. |
| 02:31.14 | abrotman | dserban_: run update-grub |
| 02:31.19 | abrotman | rkrush: what is it? |
| 02:31.31 | dserban_ | abrotman, done that, doesn't do crap |
| 02:31.36 | abrotman | (though .. if it works in FBSD .. it'll probably work in debian) |
| 02:31.54 | rkrush | VIA VT6102 Rhine II |
| 02:32.03 | abrotman | should be fine .. afaik anyways |
| 02:32.14 | abrotman | you'll know quickly if you're using the floppies :) |
| 02:32.22 | abrotman | dserban_: you lie! |
| 02:32.22 | Supaplex | haha |
| 02:32.23 | rkrush | Heh, okay :) |
| 02:32.38 | fl0w | nice abrotman, thanks. |
| 02:32.41 | dserban__ | abrotman, :) nein. It's always worked for me, and now it doesn't. |
| 02:32.42 | dserban__ | brb |
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| 02:32.49 | abrotman | doesn't take long to load 4.32MB of data :) |
| 02:32.55 | abrotman | dserban_: do a strace ? |
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| 02:33.29 | rkrush | Also, do I need cd-drivers floppy if I don't have a CD-ROM? |
| 02:34.27 | abrotman | no .. that's for the install .. |
| 02:34.36 | abrotman | you're going to use the network to install |
| 02:34.38 | abrotman | well .. hopefully |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | otherwise .. ti's off to netinst for you |
| 02:34.47 | rkrush | I'm getting lost with the documentation in regards to this. It points me every which way and I can't get to the same place twice :P |
| 02:35.12 | rkrush | Okay, well, I'm going in then :P |
| 02:35.16 | rkrush | Wish me luck ;) |
| 02:35.20 | abrotman | !bless rkrush |
| 02:35.20 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child rkrush, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:35.24 | GeorgeS069 | goodluck rkrush |
| 02:35.26 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:35.26 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 02:35.29 | rkrush | Heh, cool :D |
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| 02:36.33 | abrotman | he's so toast :) |
| 02:36.38 | GeorgeS069 | LOL |
| 02:37.01 | GeorgeS069 | I was just thinking to myself he'll be back real soon |
| 02:37.13 | Coweater | anyone know how to fix gtk's dialog buttons so they can be clicked multiple times without moving my cursor? |
| 02:38.01 | Piet | !rewritegtk |
| 02:38.25 | Piet | hmm, doesnt work |
| 02:38.34 | Coweater | that would be retarded, the idea is retarded to begin with, i can control my own fingers |
| 02:39.21 | Piet | you should try a dvorak keyboard then |
| 02:39.32 | Coweater | i already have a dvorak keyboard, typing on it now |
| 02:39.40 | Piet | see :) |
| 02:39.42 | _rockstar | If I want to use enigmail, how do I generate a key with the newer Thunderbird? The HOWTOs refer to a generate key which I apparently don't have. |
| 02:40.04 | Coweater | but i like to be able to click through dialogs and such without having to move off the button and back on |
| 02:40.24 | Piet | yeah that'd be nice |
| 02:41.03 | _rockstar | Can I just generate a PGP key that I can use in enigmail? |
| 02:42.07 | Piet | _rockstar: PGP refers to 'Pretty Good Privacy', a proprietary, commercial software. What you'll likely want is GPG or GnuPG |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | !pgp |
| 02:42.33 | dpkg | hmm... pgp is a non-free public-key encryption program available from nonUS.debian.org, which will hopefully soon be superseded by the GNU Privacy Guard, GPG. or at http://www.pgpi.com or at MIT http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html |
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| 02:42.42 | Piet | if you use that and enigmail then you can use that to create a new key |
| 02:42.44 | _rockstar | Well, yea, I think gpg --gen-key works... Gonna try and import it into enigmail later. |
| 02:42.46 | abrotman | and it has been superceded .. no more PGP .. only GPG |
| 02:44.37 | Piet | _rockstar: if you already have enigmail installed in thunderbird then you can just use the openpgp menu -> openpgp key manager -> ckeys -> create or somesuch |
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| 02:45.53 | Supaplex | Using the nvidia one liner, building the kernel module flops at: /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/os-interface.c:1262: error: structure has no member named `rlim' make[4]: *** [/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/os-interface.o] Error 1 what known solutions, if any, are availble to address this? I'm on sarge with a 2.6.16.20 kernel built from kp. |
| 02:46.35 | rkrush | Okay, first problem: I can't boot from the boot floppy. It gets me to the prompt (with the pretty background) and then when I press ENTER to boot, my computer says it's unable to boot and to insert a bootable disk. Any ideas? |
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| 02:47.16 | abrotman | rkrush: are you sure the floppy is good? .. that's usually the first problem .. and how did you write the .img ? |
| 02:47.50 | rkrush | dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync; sync on a FreeBSD |
| 02:47.51 | sha256sum_deb | is there a good source for a 2.6.16.20 kernel? |
| 02:47.58 | sha256sum_deb | in deb form |
| 02:48.00 | rkrush | I'll get the image again and try again. |
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| 02:50.24 | abrotman | rkrush: of course .. the preferred method is the netinst .. but ti's a 100MB ISO |
| 02:50.54 | rkrush | The problem is I don't have a CD-ROM in that computer :P |
| 02:50.54 | rkrush | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.02 | rkrush | If that's the way I have to go, I'll find one, though. |
| 02:51.25 | rkrush | Of course this all now leaves me about 35 minutes for install, so I should probably not even attempt it :P |
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| 02:52.07 | rkrush | That's "should", though, which means I'm going for it anyway ;) |
| 02:52.10 | rkrush | BBL |
| 02:52.21 | abrotman | rkrush: you can leave the download run while you go to work |
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| 02:59.55 | bucky | !seen lilo |
| 02:59.56 | dpkg | lilo is currently on #debian, last said: 'liable: I'm told that someone provided them an old ircd.conf'. |
| 03:00.51 | magyar | how can i tell maildrop to deliver a message localy and forward to a recipient? |
| 03:01.20 | abrotman | !seen somegeek |
| 03:01.20 | dpkg | abrotman: i haven't seen 'somegeek' |
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| 03:09.38 | glockw0rk | anyone have any reccomendations for a very simple AIM client? |
| 03:09.59 | GeorgeS069 | GAIM maybe? |
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| 03:10.28 | Supaplex | any jabber client when the jabber server supports the aim transport |
| 03:10.41 | Zeroth405 | Anyone: Unix-style carriage returns are "\n", but DOS/Windows style carriage returns are "/n/?" ... whats the ? |
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| 03:11.01 | USmarine | unix "\r" |
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| 03:11.08 | USmarine | winblows "\n" |
| 03:11.15 | USmarine | mac "\r\n" |
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| 03:11.23 | Zeroth405 | ah |
| 03:11.33 | Supaplex | USmarine: I'm pretty sure \n is unix... |
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| 03:11.53 | Zeroth405 | I'm pretty sure \r\n is windows. |
| 03:11.53 | USmarine | then windows is "\r" |
| 03:11.59 | Zeroth405 | windows has two chars, unix has one. |
| 03:11.59 | USmarine | mac returns both im sure |
| 03:12.02 | zinx | windows is \r\n |
| 03:12.09 | zinx | *nix is \n |
| 03:12.12 | stew | unix is \n windows is \r\n mac is \r |
| 03:12.12 | Vasistha | USmarine: no ... win = \r\n ... unix = \n ... old mac is \r |
| 03:12.14 | zinx | mac has hysterically been \r |
| 03:12.16 | GeorgeS069 | I just hit the "enter" key :) |
| 03:12.17 | Zeroth405 | zinx, now that makes sense. |
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| 03:12.23 | xpato | hi |
| 03:12.34 | xpato | how can i wipe out the data of my hard disk |
| 03:12.36 | Supaplex | I agree with stew |
| 03:12.41 | zinx | and everything other than \n is stupidity :D |
| 03:12.41 | xpato | no only erase, really erase it |
| 03:12.44 | Supaplex | xpato: shred :) |
| 03:12.46 | Vasistha | xpato: securely, so noone can ever recover it? |
| 03:12.49 | Zeroth405 | zinx, you are correct. |
| 03:12.51 | olczyk | I've got a lexmark optra E312. Is there anyway to get it to scale an image it's printing? |
| 03:12.53 | Zeroth405 | zinx, I've confirmed it :-) |
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| 03:13.15 | whaq|away | greeting my *nixen breathren |
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| 03:13.42 | Vasistha | xpato: if the hard drive is /dev/hdc you can shred /dev/hdc ... or you can just do one partition, shred /dev/hdc3 |
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| 03:14.17 | xpato | Vasistha, do you know if knoppix has shred |
| 03:14.22 | Vasistha | whaq: I don't think brethren has an 'a' in it :-) |
| 03:14.34 | Vasistha | xpato: no, you'd have to ask in knoppix. but it should, I think it's a core util |
| 03:15.01 | whaq | Vasistha, oops ;) |
| 03:15.18 | whaq | does anyone know of a function to provide 'trashbox' feature in console? |
| 03:15.28 | Vasistha | whaq: nice nick, btw |
| 03:15.30 | whaq | so that rm would move the file to /trashbox |
| 03:15.45 | whaq | Vasistha, thanks |
| 03:16.15 | Vasistha | whaq: I was discussing that idea with someone the other day (trashbox) ... I don't think there is. You could always alias rm='mv -i /trashbox' |
| 03:16.48 | stew | !info libtrash |
| 03:16.57 | whaq | Vasistha, ahh.. the feature is implemented on Buffalo's current range of Tera Station (mid-low end NAS) |
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| 03:17.19 | whaq | Vasistha, i've found it to be very useful as a safety net. |
| 03:17.27 | stew | wait for it |
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| 03:17.44 | whaq | Vasistha, I'd like to replicate that to my other samba based file server. |
| 03:18.10 | Vasistha | whaq: yeah, stew's suggestion looks nice -- http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libtrash |
| 03:18.32 | whaq | ooh thx |
| 03:19.00 | whaq | how does one use it? |
| 03:19.20 | stew | i'm sure /usr/share/doc/libtrash/README.Debian has the goods |
| 03:19.21 | whaq | w/ bash and samba.. |
| 03:19.49 | stew | whaq: it's LD_PRELOAD so you turn it on globally |
| 03:20.03 | Supaplex | aptitude show libtrash gives it away... |
| 03:20.32 | whaq | ok. will read up on the docs. But if anyone already has experience with it, I'd appreciate some guidance also. |
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| 03:23.56 | whaq | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.57 | whaq | what the |
| 03:25.21 | Vasistha | whaq: probably because it's messing with libc's functions |
| 03:26.00 | whaq | yeah, exactly.. that's the risk if it's loaded thru /etc/ld.so.preload (debian equiv=?) |
| 03:26.07 | whaq | anyhow, i'm taking the LD_PRELOAD way.. |
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| 03:30.59 | whaq | stew, thanks a bunch. this is a good find for me. |
| 03:31.34 | stew | !hi |
| 03:31.34 | dpkg | hello, stew |
| 03:31.42 | stew | dondelelcaro: did we lose the debian functions? |
| 03:31.58 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 03:31.58 | dpkg | Since Wed Jun 14 01:57:30 2006, there have been 3 modifications, 275 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 92 commands. I have been awake for 1d 1h 34m 28s this session, and currently reference 36736 factoids. I'm using about 14544 kB of memory. With 1 active fork. Process time user/system 141.15/9.43 child 0.01/0 |
| 03:32.00 | gavagai | are there any good alternatives to proftpd in the repositories? |
| 03:32.04 | dondelelcaro | damnit, it lost a fork again |
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| 03:33.02 | stew | whaq: you're welcome |
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| 03:33.33 | N9URK | hi All |
| 03:33.39 | dondelelcaro | stew: thanks |
| 03:33.40 | stew | dondelelcaro: what happens? its forks to fetch package lists and maybe a signal is missed or somehting? |
| 03:34.08 | dondelelcaro | stew: no, it's the shm problem; it loses track of what shm memory it has allocated. |
| 03:34.28 | dondelelcaro | and so it ends up allocating shm memory endlessly |
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| 03:38.40 | N9URK | I am installing Ubuntu and did "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and it gets to a point and then I get the error message "SyntaxError: EOF" then something about tripple quoted string |
| 03:38.54 | BioVorE | hes having apt isses |
| 03:39.20 | N9URK | and then it mentions that it is compiling stats.py, then loops through a bunch of stuff, then back to the error message |
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| 03:41.08 | Vasistha | N9URK: you'll have to ask the good folks in #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 03:41.21 | N9URK | Vasistha - I did |
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| 03:41.35 | N9URK | Vasistha - it was suggested that I might find help in here as well |
| 03:41.53 | Vasistha | N9URK: well... ubuntu is quite different from debian. We really don't have the expertise to help you -- because it's probably an issue with ubuntu's repositories |
| 03:41.55 | USmarine | ubuntu aint debian |
| 03:42.08 | Vasistha | N9URK: the ubuntu developers make a whole lot of changes about which we are unaware. |
| 03:42.17 | N9URK | that is what I thought - but worth asking anyway |
| 03:43.24 | N9URK | BioVorE: what do you think? |
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| 03:44.30 | GeorgeS069 | I'm doing the Stable DVD install using 2.6 and it's missing the modules I need for proper IDE suport...anyway I can insmod these now or should I wait until the install is finished and then fix it? |
| 03:45.12 | stew | !insmod |
| 03:45.12 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 03:45.36 | stew | GeorgeS069: if you don't need to modules to complete the install then dont worry about them |
| 03:45.56 | GeorgeS069 | I can use the drives but,they are really slow...like painfully slow |
| 03:45.58 | N9URK | Thanks guys, have a good night (and I do run debian on one machine - if this ubuntu install don't work then I am going back to deb) |
| 03:46.57 | Vasistha | N9URK: heh, of course, we would advise you to do that ;-) |
| 03:46.58 | FarrisG | anyone using gotmail on debian? I keep getting curl errors with the newest version |
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| 03:48.44 | N9URK | has anyone here used ubuntu? |
| 03:48.58 | GeorgeS069 | not me |
| 03:49.26 | stew | N9URK: please ask ubuntu questions in #ubuntu |
| 03:50.11 | N9URK | has anyone here used ubuntu? (that's not exactly an ubuntu question) |
| 03:50.28 | stew | !anyone use |
| 03:50.28 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:51.00 | j-bit | dpkg is right, I use it, and I don't even use it. |
| 03:51.23 | N9URK | dpkg - lol. I have deb on one machine I use and have never had a problem with it. I have tried to install ubuntu 3 times and have had problems all 3 times |
| 03:51.34 | whaq | debian is ubuntu's grandpa whose a highly decorated war hero |
| 03:51.39 | peterS | N9URK: it's also not much of a question. with 700 people here, someone has surely used ubuntu. so the answer to your question won't tell you anything other than what you already know |
| 03:51.51 | N9URK | so I may put debian on this machine instead. |
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| 03:52.00 | whaq | only if it's a tank |
| 03:52.28 | whaq | <yes, i've used ubuntu> |
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| 03:53.04 | _rockstar | anyone have a suggestion for a program to rip dvds to divx or xvid? |
| 03:53.33 | N9URK | whaq - do you prefer debian? |
| 03:53.47 | K|NgGh0sT | I have to use both lesigh |
| 03:53.56 | K|NgGh0sT | Etch or Sarge wont install on my laptop |
| 03:54.37 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 03:54.42 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 03:55.00 | whaq | N9URK, you should be able to come to that conclusion by seeing me in this channel and the sentence form i've used when describing my experience w/ said distro.. |
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| 03:55.18 | Supaplex | !start a distro war |
| 03:55.18 | dpkg | DSL 0wnz! |
| 03:55.32 | whaq | Ubuntu RULZ |
| 03:55.46 | N9URK | whaq: ok. lol. I am working on aobut three things. I didn't follow the comment thread there too well. |
| 03:55.58 | Supaplex | *buntu is on recycled street crack |
| 03:56.08 | jair | guys sometimes when I am running a command as user, I get this weird error "Warning: bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html" It happens just once in a while. |
| 03:56.15 | jair | anyone have any idea? |
| 03:56.34 | Supaplex | jair: which command? |
| 03:56.36 | jair | http://pastebin.com/709976 this is exactly wht I was doing. |
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| 03:56.45 | K|NgGh0sT | Can someone helpme setup an LVM? |
| 03:56.55 | jair | Supaplex: the command was just ps -aux | grep iptables |
| 03:57.02 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: on an existing installed box, or during the install? |
| 03:57.08 | K|NgGh0sT | Existing |
| 03:57.13 | jair | Supaplex: I have the complete details on the pastebin page http://pastebin.com/709976 |
| 03:57.18 | K|NgGh0sT | All the FAQS I can find are during the install |
| 03:57.25 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: do you already have empty space on at least one hard disk, which isn't already accounted for in partitions? |
| 03:57.49 | K|NgGh0sT | Yeah, There is a 25gig ext3 and a 1gig swap |
| 03:57.49 | jair | Supaplex: but is very weird I was reading on the google groups and people have hd the same error message doing different things. |
| 03:58.01 | jair | not only running ps as user instead of root |
| 03:58.08 | K|NgGh0sT | There is 224 gigs free on that drive and 300 gigs free on the other |
| 03:58.18 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: ok, run cfdisk. create a new partition for the space you want in the LVM. hit 't' to change the type, and call it type 8e. |
| 03:58.37 | Supaplex | jair: that's rather odd. I'd check for root kits, and maybe chase down the source that emits that message to see what else. |
| 03:58.39 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: do you know how to use cfdisk? (it's not hard, really) |
| 03:58.49 | stew | jair: use "ps aux" not "ps -aux" |
| 03:58.49 | K|NgGh0sT | Never used it |
| 03:59.01 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: start it as 'cfdisk /dev/hda' or 'cfdisk /dev/hde' or whatever |
| 03:59.17 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: use the up and down arrows to select partitions and space on the disk, use the left and right arrows for the menu at the bottom |
| 03:59.33 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, it's SATA, so cfdisk /dev/sda1 |
| 03:59.42 | Supaplex | haha yup. |
| 03:59.43 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: well, /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1 |
| 03:59.59 | jair | stew: right good observation but still why that error shows up? |
| 04:00.04 | K|NgGh0sT | It doesnt see the second disk |
| 04:00.13 | whaq | hmm openfile |
| 04:00.35 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: that's "cfdisk /dev/sdb" if you want the second disk. you do them one at a time, in other words |
| 04:00.37 | jair | Supaplex: Supaplex have you ever have that message? |
| 04:00.47 | Supaplex | jair: yes, just now. |
| 04:00.59 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: anyway, select your free space area and go to menu "New". primary or logical, doesn't really matter. pick a size. then |
| 04:00.59 | stew | jair: well in reality it should probably not give you an error, and instead show you no processes at all (unless you actually have a user named "x" on your system), but its being nice about it and assuming you acutally want to list all processes (assuming you meant the a option, not the -a option) |
| 04:01.03 | jair | stew: if you run the command even without the "-" which is wrong it will not shows you that error. Please test. |
| 04:01.16 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, I never understood the difference between primary and logical |
| 04:01.38 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: doesn't matter much for your purposes, unless you plan to use more than 4 partitions on that disk. and with LVM, that's not likely, since LVM uses just one big one |
| 04:01.48 | stew | jair: you are trying to use the bsd style -a instead of the gnu style a option? |
| 04:02.01 | jair | Supaplex: did you get the same error back? |
| 04:02.14 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: so once the partition is created, use menu '[ Type ]' to change it to type 8e |
| 04:02.20 | stew | jair: read the ps manpage |
| 04:02.24 | jair | stew: not it was just a miss-pelling from my part. |
| 04:02.36 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: then menu '[ Write ]' to write the changes to disk. then quit and run 'cfdisk /dev/sdb' and do the same thing |
| 04:02.36 | Supaplex | jair: http://rafb.net/paste/results/m8lT4M60.html |
| 04:02.45 | jair | stew: again it is not that I am not trying to run ps as bsd or anything like that |
| 04:02.53 | stew | jair: so you are trying to select processes which are not attached to terminals which were started by the user named x? is that right? |
| 04:02.54 | jair | I does not need to read ps |
| 04:03.07 | Supaplex | jair: then quit using the dash! |
| 04:03.14 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 04:03.43 | jair | stew: nope I was just trying to check if iptables was running |
| 04:03.50 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, I want it to be xfs |
| 04:03.51 | stew | jair: then you don't want to use a - |
| 04:03.59 | jair | stew: did you check the page that Supaplex sent? |
| 04:04.03 | Supaplex | iptables rarley sticks around long enough to catch with ps. |
| 04:04.06 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: doesn't matter, you pick 8e so that it will be in the LVM. you will create your XFS filesystems later. |
| 04:04.07 | stew | jair: no |
| 04:04.14 | jair | stew: you should |
| 04:04.26 | stew | jair: not as much as you should read the ps manpage |
| 04:04.27 | jair | so we can get clear what is that. |
| 04:04.57 | stew | jair: are you complaining that he got the same output both times? he probably shouldn't the first should have given him no output probably |
| 04:04.57 | jair | stew: ok I will read it, to make you feel happy and make me more knowledgable on gnu ;) |
| 04:05.17 | jair | Supaplex: is that the true? |
| 04:05.36 | jair | I am just try to find a bog and send it to the debian develop group and check it out. |
| 04:05.37 | Supaplex | are you a troll, or what? |
| 04:05.50 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: let me know when you've gotten that far, so we can continue. there are a few more steps stlil |
| 04:05.53 | peterS | still |
| 04:06.08 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, how come I cannot get the whole extra free space, it wont let me use the extra 700 megs |
| 04:06.31 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: at the start or the end of the free space? |
| 04:06.40 | K|NgGh0sT | end |
| 04:07.12 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: I don't know why it would do that, to be honest. partition tables are funny though and have strange restrictions about boundaries |
| 04:07.23 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, it goes 25 gig logical, 2hunderandwhatever gigs free, 1 gig swap, and 700 megs free |
| 04:07.25 | jair | Warning: bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html |
| 04:07.25 | jair | jair 31197 0.0 0.9 1832 580 pts/1 S+ 21:52 0:00 grep iptables |
| 04:07.55 | jair | Supaplex: I think so ;) |
| 04:07.59 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: so wait, you have a logical partition, then free space, then a swap partition, then empty space? |
| 04:08.03 | K|NgGh0sT | one sec |
| 04:08.21 | K|NgGh0sT | http://pastebin.ca/65733 |
| 04:08.51 | jair | ok guys I am leaving for today. |
| 04:09.00 | jair | I will continue looking about this later. |
| 04:09.26 | peterS | oh, jair _just_ left. doh, I was about to help him |
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| 04:09.54 | peterS | if he asks again about 'ps -aux', tell him the - is incorrect, it should be 'ps aux' |
| 04:10.17 | peterS | this is for fascinating historical reasons of divergence of BSD and System V versions of ps. |
| 04:10.18 | GeorgeS069 | duh |
| 04:11.16 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, see what I mean? |
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| 04:12.15 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: yes. here's what I would do. deactivate your swap partition: "swapoff /dev/sda5". delete it in cfdisk. recreate it at the end of the disk (it's not quite at the end now). then 'mkswap' it again, and 'swapon' it again. |
| 04:12.30 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: then the free space is all continguous and you can recreate the LVM partition with all of it |
| 04:13.03 | typewriter | http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/phpbb2 |
| 04:13.12 | typewriter | what does it mean if there is [security] written next to the name? |
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| 04:13.35 | valdyn | typewriter: that the package was updated by the security team to fix a security issue |
| 04:13.38 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, how big of a swap do I really need? I've never seen it use it |
| 04:13.43 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: actually wait - don't mkswap or swapon at the end, until we verify something |
| 04:14.00 | typewriter | so, it should be alright to install then |
| 04:14.06 | maikol | does the debian installer require internet access or can i install and then build up from there when i do get a connection |
| 04:14.10 | typewriter | because security in red makes it seem like it's still vulnerable |
| 04:14.13 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: an old general rule is 'twice as much swap as you have RAM'. I don't know if it's sensible, but with 300 GB to play with, it is stupid to have too _little_ swap, anyway |
| 04:14.28 | nevyn | hrm |
| 04:14.29 | N9URK | whaq: can I send you a private message to ask a couple questions about Deb/Ubu? |
| 04:14.33 | K|NgGh0sT | I'll keep it 1gig then, I have a gig of ram in there |
| 04:14.35 | valdyn | typewriter: that's misleading |
| 04:14.46 | typewriter | i know :P |
| 04:14.49 | typewriter | thats what im saying |
| 04:14.53 | nevyn | peterS: the old general rule is based on vm's unlike linux's |
| 04:14.54 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: yeah, the existing 2 GB is probably as good as anything. just move it to the end of the disk |
| 04:15.06 | valdyn | typewriter: debian doesnt track open holes in that sense anyway, no distro does i suppose |
| 04:15.11 | peterS | nevyn: I know. what's your new rule then? it still makes sense to have enough swap |
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| 04:15.32 | nevyn | sure. |
| 04:15.53 | nevyn | riks vm from the early 2.4 days worked this way. ;) |
| 04:16.07 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, dont you want swap at the beginning? |
| 04:16.12 | hwady | i am baffled. i have 'apt-get remove' xorg and xserver-xorg and my system still works as before. can anyone tell me why? |
| 04:16.19 | nevyn | I like it in the middle.. |
| 04:16.27 | nevyn | hwady: did you try to restart X? |
| 04:16.43 | valdyn | hwady: xorg will not remove content, its a meta package |
| 04:16.44 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: hmmm. having it near the root filesystem is probably sensible, actually. or, as nevyn says, in the middle, but then you need 2 LVM partitions, one on each side. Not that this particularly hurts, mind you. |
| 04:16.49 | hwady | nevyn: i restarted the whole system. |
| 04:17.02 | whaq | N9URK, yea if i can |
| 04:17.03 | nevyn | K|NgGh0sT: when disks actually told you about their geometry then you want it in the middle (lowest seek time) |
| 04:17.21 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: really you can have as many LVM partitions as you want - once you have LVM completely set up, they'll all look like one huge space |
| 04:17.25 | nevyn | nowadays disk geometry is pure fiction so what does it matter. |
| 04:17.36 | hwady | vladyn: what about xserver-xorg? |
| 04:17.44 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, wonder if it really will make a difference where it is |
| 04:17.54 | valdyn | hwady: same for xserver-xorg, both do _not_ provide programs, they do only provide dependencies |
| 04:18.01 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, espcially considering I've never seen it use swap |
| 04:18.26 | valdyn | valdyn: their purpose and only use is making installing xorg more convenient |
| 04:18.41 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: it really doesn't matter much until you do start using swap. then it probably matters a little. since you're rearranging anyway, though, may as well put it next to the root filesystem. probably better there than at the end. |
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| 04:19.06 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, how would I get it there? |
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| 04:19.15 | hwady | valdyn: in that case, how to find out the programs that they refer to? |
| 04:19.31 | valdyn | hwady: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 04:19.36 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: delete the swap space and the LVM partition in cfdisk (after deactivating swap, 'swapoff /dev/sda5'), recreate both of them, also in cfdisk |
| 04:19.42 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 04:19.42 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 04:19.46 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: LVM is type 8e, swap is type 82 |
| 04:19.59 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, yeah, but how do I put it beside the root |
| 04:20.00 | valdyn | hwady: ^^^, if you really want to remove X |
| 04:20.27 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: after deleting the LVM partition, you just create the swap partition - size 2000 MB, [ Beginning ] rather than [ End ] of the drive. (it'll ask you.) |
| 04:20.35 | typewriter | can someone explain this to me, i have libsasl2 installed on my mostly stable system. i had 2.1.19-1.5 installed. Using only stable I do apt-get upgrade and it would tell me libsasl2 is being held back, recently I added testing servers to my apt source and now doing apt-get upgrade it will finally let me upgrade to the latest libsasl2 -stable- not testing. the latest stable being 2.1.19-1.5sarge1 |
| 04:20.41 | valdyn | hwady: unfortunately removing complex package 'collections' isn't obvious |
| 04:20.49 | hwady | valdyn: ok, so that is it. thks. |
| 04:21.27 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, okay done |
| 04:21.35 | peterS | typewriter: the ways of apt-get's decision making are subtle. I like to run 'aptitude' in full-screen mode, it gives me a little better handle on what it is doing and why |
| 04:21.38 | valdyn | typewriter: apt-get upgrade _cannot_ upgrade packages in many scenarios, see the manpage |
| 04:21.57 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: so '[ Write ]' your changes to disk (you did remember to 'swapoff /dev/sda5' earlier, right?) and quit cfdisk, and run cfdisk on /dev/sdb |
| 04:22.20 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, ya I did swapoff, and I already did the second drive |
| 04:22.32 | typewriter | ok, it was just weird that it wouldnt let me update to the latest -stable- package until i added testing sources, heh. |
| 04:22.40 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: ok. now do 'cat /proc/partitions' and see if your changes to sda are in there yet. I'm guessing they will _not_ be, but check. |
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| 04:23.18 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, http://pastebin.ca/65735 |
| 04:23.39 | peterS | hold on...pastebin.ca is being slow for me |
| 04:24.30 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: partition changes on disk that have at least 1 partition mounted do not take effect at once |
| 04:24.38 | peterS | valdyn: we're getting there |
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| 04:25.57 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, Dont forget to tell me how to get the swap back online |
| 04:26.31 | JohnCC | this feels like a really silly question (sorry!), but some time ago I tightened up the security on my box and closed all the ports that I could... now I'm trying to run a lightweight web server for development, and I'm unable to connect to the port I'm running it on (8000) on my box! nmap -v localhost shows it as open, but when I look at it from another machine it isn't (and I can't connect to it). How would I open a single port (temporarily or permanent |
| 04:26.31 | JohnCC | ly)? |
| 04:26.44 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: right, so the changes to /dev/sda have _not_ taken effect yet. you will have to reboot for this to happen. this is because, as valdyn says, you're using sda1 as your root filesystem, so the kernel refuses to recognise partition changes to sda right now |
| 04:26.59 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: but first, edit /etc/fstab and comment out the line about /dev/sda5 being swap. it isn't anymore. |
| 04:27.13 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: _then_ reboot. we'll fix swap, and finish LVM, after you do. |
| 04:27.17 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, uh, crap I already rebooted |
| 04:27.42 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: well, the boot process will try and fail to activate sda5 as swap. no big deal. we'll continue once your machine is back up |
| 04:27.46 | Supaplex | rebooting is for sissies! |
| 04:27.49 | valdyn | JohnCC: how did you close those ports? |
| 04:27.59 | peterS | Supaplex: what's your usual method of overriding the kernel's behavior here, then? |
| 04:27.59 | JohnCC | valdyn: I don't remember :-) |
| 04:28.06 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, it's back up |
| 04:28.12 | hwady | i have a problem logging in to kdm and non-root. it loops back to the login screen. i have pasted the kdm.log in #flood. can someone take a look and tell me the problem? |
| 04:28.14 | valdyn | JohnCC: now you better do remember or look it up |
| 04:28.27 | typewriter | my first debian server in production was rebooted once on the day i received it and is now 177 days since and still going strong without a reboot |
| 04:28.28 | Supaplex | box up 1111+19:47, 0 users, load 0.58, 0.66, 0.57 |
| 04:28.29 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: ok. do another 'cat /proc/partitions', it should be different now than what http://pastebin.ca/65735 has. |
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| 04:28.37 | JohnCC | ack... how might I have closed them? |
| 04:28.39 | typewriter | ha Supaplex |
| 04:28.42 | Supaplex | ouuu the infamous 1111 day mark. cool. :) |
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| 04:29.10 | KimmoA | Debiab is em0 = lame. |
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| 04:29.14 | typewriter | is that box running stable? |
| 04:29.34 | Supaplex | it's bsd actually. :) |
| 04:29.43 | typewriter | oh |
| 04:29.47 | valdyn | JohnCC: you're confused primarily: ports are open or closed depending on a 'server' listening on them or not. There's no 'closing ports' explicitely required to close a port. |
| 04:30.17 | Supaplex | we should suggest /etc/init.d/networking stop to close ports! |
| 04:30.20 | valdyn | JohnCC: now you may have set up iptables rules to deny or drop incoming packages on specific or all ports. i dont know which tool you used for that |
| 04:30.34 | GeorgeS069 | JohnCC: maybe you used a firewall...like shorewall to "block" the ports? |
| 04:30.44 | hwady | can someone take a look at the backtrace fr kdm.log in #flood and tell me what's wrong? |
| 04:30.45 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, it is |
| 04:30.58 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: also, 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' will give you a nice picture of what it looks like now |
| 04:31.26 | K|NgGh0sT | ah cool |
| 04:31.27 | JohnCC | GeorgeS069: maybe... I don't THINK I installed anything specifically to block the ports... |
| 04:31.39 | JohnCC | valdyn: I was playing around with iptables at one point, so that's possible... |
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| 04:31.51 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: ok so, is the swap partition still /dev/sda5, or did you change it to /dev/sda2? (the latter is 'primary', the former is 'logical') |
| 04:31.51 | dendrite | JohnCC: Try running "iptables -L -nv" |
| 04:31.53 | valdyn | JohnCC: just reboot please, that will reset your iptables |
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| 04:32.12 | JohnCC | valdyn: the server is definitely listening on the port (I can connect to it locally), but I can't connect to it externally (on the same port, 8000) |
| 04:32.14 | valdyn | JohnCC: then we can know easier what your system configuration is |
| 04:32.15 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, I never changed it |
| 04:32.21 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: well, is it sda5 or sda2? |
| 04:32.27 | hwady | can someone take a look at the backtrace fr kdm.log in #flood and tell me what's wrong? |
| 04:32.29 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, sda2 |
| 04:32.35 | valdyn | JohnCC: yea i know ), that can have 2+ reasosn |
| 04:32.41 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: ok. so edit /etc/fstab and change the sda5 to sda2 on the swap line |
| 04:32.53 | JohnCC | dendrite: iptables -L -nv looks pretty blank... a bunch of heading for Inputer, Forward and Output, and nothing under them |
| 04:32.55 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, reboot? |
| 04:32.59 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: no need |
| 04:33.04 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: now run 'mkswap /dev/sda2' |
| 04:33.06 | JohnCC | policy ACCEPT |
| 04:33.08 | dendrite | JohnCC: OK, so odds are it's not a packet filter. |
| 04:33.12 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: followed by 'swapon -a' |
| 04:33.13 | pinky | So I downloaded an RPM and converted it to a DEB with alien, and then installed the DEB with dpkg, but how do I tell where it installed to so I can run it? |
| 04:33.24 | peterS | pinky: dpkg -L packagename |
| 04:33.32 | JohnCC | valdyn: oh, I did reboot... |
| 04:33.33 | peterS | (not filename, package name) |
| 04:33.36 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, done |
| 04:33.42 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: 'cat /proc/swaps' should show it |
| 04:33.43 | JohnCC | valdyn: and I still can't connect since rebooting |
| 04:34.03 | valdyn | JohnCC: great, ok, lets go from there, 'iptables -L' is still empty i suppose, paste the output of 'netstat -plunt' |
| 04:34.03 | dendrite | JohnCC: It's possible you did this in TCP wrappers... Anything in /etc/hosts.deny or /etc/hosts.allow ? |
| 04:34.04 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, ya I checked it, and it does |
| 04:34.11 | hwady | hey guys, take a look at #flood. |
| 04:34.17 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: ok now for LVM. 'pvcreate /dev/sda3' and 'pvcreate /dev/sdb1'. this is to "format" the LVM partitions. |
| 04:34.28 | valdyn | JohnCC: use pastebin.ca or a similar site to paste |
| 04:34.33 | pinky | peterS: Oh, whoops, the damn thing starts with an "S" instead of an "s" which threw me off... thanks! |
| 04:34.34 | JohnCC | dendrite: yes! I think that's what I did... |
| 04:34.39 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: pv stands for "physical volume", the lowest layer of the LVM world. |
| 04:34.52 | hwady | wtf |
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| 04:35.11 | JohnCC | dendrite: hmmm... no entries in hosts.allow or hosts.deny |
| 04:36.06 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: oh I forgot to mention, make sure the 'lvm2' package is installed. that's what has pvcreate and all that good stuff. |
| 04:36.17 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, ya I got lvm2 |
| 04:36.24 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, I got them both done |
| 04:36.35 | dendrite | JohnCC: It's also possible that the "lightweight web server" requires configuration to allow connections from other than localhost? |
| 04:36.37 | valdyn | JohnCC: those files are for access control, but that wouldnt make your port look as if it was closed |
| 04:36.49 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: ok now think of a cool name for your volume group, which is the container in which all your LVM filesystems will live. I use the creative name "vg0". |
| 04:36.56 | JohnCC | valdyn: Unforuntately I don't have X set up on the machine I'm having a problem with... I ran netstat - plunt and I can see all the programs listening (including the python server I'm trying to connect to on port 8000) |
| 04:37.01 | K|NgGh0sT | I want it to mount as /media |
| 04:37.05 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: once you've thought of a name, do 'vgcreate yourcoolname /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb1' |
| 04:37.14 | JohnCC | dendrite: its django's built in server... |
| 04:37.16 | valdyn | !pastewithoutx |
| 04:37.16 | dpkg | pastewithoutx is probably you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console like drag to select and middle click to insert the selection ; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 04:37.56 | JohnCC | dendrite: I'll ask in django if I have to do anything special for the server |
| 04:38.13 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, done |
| 04:38.39 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: ok. now 'vgchange -ay yourcoolname' to make it available. |
| 04:38.55 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: (that is, 'vgchange -ay vg0' if you use my ultra-cool volume group name) |
| 04:38.58 | valdyn | JohnCC: a program listening on a port is incomplete information, as it has an IP address it listens to too |
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| 04:39.06 | dendrite | JohnCC: Also, when you looked at the iptables rules, what was the INPUT default policy? |
| 04:39.09 | valdyn | JohnCC: netsat -plunt lists that |
| 04:39.18 | JohnCC | valdyn: the entry for the django server is tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1796/python |
| 04:39.25 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, oh I did use your ultra cool name |
| 04:39.33 | valdyn | JohnCC: there you go, that program is listening only to local connections |
| 04:39.42 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: ok. so vg0 should be available now. 'vgdisplay' will tell you if this is true. |
| 04:39.56 | JohnCC | dendrite: ACCEPT |
| 04:40.01 | JohnCC | valdyn: how would I change that? |
| 04:40.07 | valdyn | JohnCC: this is a configuration feature specific to each program, so you need to change your servers config |
| 04:40.19 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, nice 500gigs :D |
| 04:40.28 | valdyn | JohnCC: i dont even know which webserver this is about, as i said its a program specific configuration |
| 04:40.38 | dendrite | JohnCC: find the configuration file, or the readme for that server, and you should be able to feel your way from there. |
| 04:40.40 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: right. so now you can create any number of filesystems inside vg0. you say you only want /media, well, that's fine |
| 04:40.57 | JohnCC | oKtosiTe, thanks very much guys! |
| 04:41.04 | dendrite | JohnCC: it's probably a FAQ on google, or whatever.. |
| 04:41.17 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: to create a filesystem inside vg0: lvcreate -n media -L 300G vg0' |
| 04:41.27 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: that creates a volume called "media" of 300 GB inside vg0 |
| 04:41.36 | JohnCC | there's nothing special about the higher number ports that they can only be accessed from the loopback interface, is there? |
| 04:41.53 | dendrite | JohnCC: no. |
| 04:41.54 | K|NgGh0sT | petemc, I want it to be the fullsize |
| 04:43.10 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, alright I made the volume media |
| 04:43.12 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: ok, to get the full size, do 'vgdisplay' and note the "Free PE / Size" number. you'll want to use all of those PEs. then pass that number (the first one, not the GB one) to -l |
| 04:43.26 | dendrite | JohnCC: And incidentally, pay attention to what else is listening on that machine, particularly if it's Foreign Address is listed as 0.0.0.0 -- those are exposed ports. This can be fixed with iptables, or whatever. |
| 04:43.37 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: anyway. so /dev/vg0/media now exists. now you can 'mkfs.xfs /dev/vg0/media' |
| 04:44.05 | dendrite | JohnCC: Local Address, that is. |
| 04:44.15 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: note, you need the 'xfsprogs' package to use xfs filesystems, make sure that's installed or mkfs.xfs will not exist |
| 04:44.59 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, Warning - device mapper device, but no dmsetup(8) found |
| 04:45.06 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, no big deal? |
| 04:45.15 | JohnCC | dendrite: ok... thanks! |
| 04:45.30 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: huh. I wonder what that means. I mean I know what device mapper is, but I don't know why it thinks dmsetup is needed |
| 04:45.45 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, whatever it made the system :) |
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| 04:46.07 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: I don't have dmsetup either. I guess if you want you can install dmsetup (it's a package) but I don't know why you'd need it |
| 04:46.29 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: ok. last step. mount /dev/vg0/media /media |
| 04:46.44 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: well, almost the last step. you also need to add a line to /etc/fstab so it will be mounted at boot time. do you know how to do that already? |
| 04:47.09 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, no sorry |
| 04:47.18 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: come to think of it, you may need to specify the type: 'mount -t xfs /dev/vg0/media /media' |
| 04:47.42 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, it mounted it fine |
| 04:47.51 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: cool. ok, for /etc/fstab, the line should be: |
| 04:48.26 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: /dev/vg0/media /media xfs defaults 0 2 |
| 04:49.03 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: (line the columns up however you want, ideally so that it lines up with the other lines in there so it looks nice) |
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| 04:49.33 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, alright, going to reboot |
| 04:49.40 | valdyn | !dmraid |
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| 04:49.47 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: no _need_ to reboot, except that it validates that you _can_ reboot and stuff still comes up |
| 04:49.55 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, thats the goal |
| 04:49.58 | valdyn | peterS: that's just for setting up windows raids in linux iirc |
| 04:49.59 | peterS | right, go for it |
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| 04:50.22 | peterS | valdyn: dmsetup can do things besides just dmraid. I just wonder why the LVM tools think you should have it around. |
| 04:52.00 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, never really done user stuff, how can I make it so all my users can write and read the new drive? |
| 04:52.03 | valdyn | peterS: i dont get the entire picture, the init script is run earlier and suitable for partitions that are required in the boot process with an appropriate initrd, /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid is run much later |
| 04:52.21 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: simple matter of chmod. 'chmod 1777 /media' gives it the same permissions as /tmp |
| 04:52.32 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: which is to say, everyone can read and write, but they can't rename or delete other people's files |
| 04:52.53 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: if you want people to rename and delete each other's files, use 'chmod 777 /media' |
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| 04:53.30 | K|NgGh0sT | peterS, alright cool, thanks a ton |
| 04:53.34 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: no problem |
| 04:53.49 | K|NgGh0sT | I thought sata was suppose to be fast, bah! I never see these speeds it's suppose to have |
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| 04:54.15 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: sata isnt faster than ata per se |
| 04:54.16 | peterS | K|NgGh0sT: SATA is a faster interface than IDE, but the drive technology is basically the same, and that's probably the limit anyway |
| 04:54.40 | GeorgeS069 | lol...you should see how "fast" my raid5 drives are running right now |
| 04:55.08 | GeorgeS069 | any slower and they'd be running backwards |
| 04:55.18 | GeorgeS069 | poor me:( |
| 04:55.21 | peterS | raid5 running backwards. that'd be fun to see. |
| 04:55.45 | astronut | peterS: isn't that called "reading"? |
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| 04:56.01 | Werdna | hey |
| 04:56.09 | Werdna | I'm getting an error installing gcc |
| 04:56.11 | Werdna | something like |
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| 04:56.20 | Werdna | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.37 | valdyn | Werdna: show your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:57.07 | pinky | I have a legal copy of Mac OS 8 on CD here, but it won't mount, likely because it doesn't have the iso9660 filesystem. I tried mounting it with HFS option set, but that didn't work either. |
| 04:57.11 | valdyn | !info gcc-3.3 sarge |
| 04:57.13 | pinky | How do I tell what FS is on the CD? |
| 04:57.18 | dpkg | gcc-3.3: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 1:3.3.5-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 1533 kB, Installed size: 4136 kB |
| 04:57.27 | Werdna | deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
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| 04:57.54 | Werdna | i have the source one there too |
| 04:58.13 | samuel | sup all |
| 04:58.14 | valdyn | Werdna: that's all? did you install any packages that are not in the main debian repository? |
| 04:58.26 | Werdna | yeah some random packages. |
| 04:58.42 | valdyn | Werdna: causing a random error, probably |
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| 04:58.59 | dippo | can anyone think of a reason why CTRL-ALT-F# suddenly does not change VTs? |
| 04:59.00 | dippo | even after a reboot? |
| 04:59.18 | samuel | i just reinstalled debian pure64... i messed up... i backed up my emails and files but not my /var/spool/mail/inbox, is there any chance i may recover it? |
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| 05:00.08 | Werdna | valdyn, I switched it to unstable and back once. |
| 05:00.17 | dendrite | samuel: Ouch. |
| 05:00.44 | samuel | dendrite, i was carefull too!!! i backed up EVERYTHING, except that!!! |
| 05:00.52 | dippo | but chvt works fine |
| 05:01.07 | peterS | samuel: probably not, if you didn't save the actual filesystem, it's probably gone for good |
| 05:01.09 | samuel | dendrite, are there any tools to do try and recover it? |
| 05:01.46 | peterS | samuel: well, if that inbox is worth some thousands of dollars to you, you can pay someone to recover it. it's a time-consuming process, reading through raw data on the disk looking for stuff that goes into a mailbox file, but it _can_ be done |
| 05:02.00 | samuel | peterS, dammit... i was more carefull with my stupid "funny" folder than my emails |
| 05:02.13 | peterS | samuel: I feel your pain |
| 05:02.29 | Werdna | hmm. |
| 05:02.42 | samuel | peterS, at least thanks to gmail i have some of my more recent mails... |
| 05:02.43 | peterS | samuel: on the bright side, so many people in the world use flaky email clients that if you tell everyone "please resend any important emails, I lost my inbox", _everyone_ understands |
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| 05:04.08 | GeorgeS069 | there are utilities for linux that will try to find lost/de-linked files...I forget the name but,I used one once and it found 90% of the files I thought I had lost |
| 05:04.33 | samuel | peterS, hahaha, thanks, but then they would KNOW you lost your mailbox (this *COULD* be a problem if you sent them quotes before :) )!!! im just missing like 3 months anyways... not THAT much |
| 05:04.46 | Werdna | valdyn, does this mean anything to you: W: GPG error: http://ftp.au.debian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 05:05.01 | valdyn | Werdna: /topic |
| 05:05.09 | Werdna | ah there we go |
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| 05:05.46 | dendrite | GeorgeS069: Perhaps that would be a go... But in samuel's case, he reinstalled, and probably rebuilt the file systems in the process. That would add a barrier... |
| 05:05.49 | Werdna | valdyn, much better. |
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| 05:06.37 | tuv | i want to run cacti with lighttpd, but the debian package depends on apache variants only! why is that? |
| 05:06.50 | Bitz | hi, during the kernel loading stage it reports disk error jbd failed to read block... any ideas what could be wrong? |
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| 05:06.55 | Azar | any improvements with sata/raid drivers on Debian? |
| 05:07.21 | GeorgeS069 | I had formated the partition and still worked out ok....worth a shot if the emails are important...and it's free |
| 05:07.29 | Werdna | valdyn, still have no idea why I'm getting that error. |
| 05:07.43 | dendrite | samuel: You reading GeorgeS069 ?? |
| 05:07.50 | Werdna | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.57 | GeorgeS069 | wish I could rember the name |
| 05:08.11 | sep | Azar, hardware support comes from the kernel. if you use a kernel that support it, debian support it |
| 05:08.16 | GeorgeS069 | it will probably destroy your current setup though |
| 05:08.19 | dendrite | samuel: If you think there is any hope of recovering files, the first thing to do is to avoid using that disk until you've attempted the recovery. |
| 05:08.50 | Azar | sep, thanks I will google for info, I am not able to find a new pc with ide... all seem to be set for sata damnit |
| 05:09.02 | sep | Azar, im running sarge on sata |
| 05:09.07 | dendrite | samuel: Since of course your system sees all the possibly valuable blocks as available, and will happily scribble on them. |
| 05:09.10 | GeorgeS069 | samuel: what filesystem are you using??ext3? |
| 05:09.22 | sep | it depends on what sata chipset you buy, |
| 05:09.49 | sep | also on your bios settings, and a kernel from backports help if your satachips set is not supported in 2.6.8 |
| 05:10.32 | Azar | sep I am hunting for a kit, no-os |
| 05:10.56 | Azar | even if I would have to wait maybe for etch to come out just to have it there |
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| 05:11.42 | nerfando | could someone help me to install adsl modem dslink 180u on debian sarge? |
| 05:11.49 | Werdna | I have gcc-3.4, but gcc doesn't invoke it. Any Idea how to make gcc -> gcc-1.4 |
| 05:11.57 | sep | Azar, or just use the unofficial 2.6.15 sarge insatller. or chroot install from knoppix. it's generaly not dificult if you can follow the install guide |
| 05:13.52 | GeorgeS069 | is 2.6.8 the latest kernel in sarge? |
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| 05:14.28 | sep | GeorgeS069, it's the kernel in sarge. |
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| 05:14.59 | sep | GeorgeS069, since sarge is stable it wont be any other. but you'r free to roll your own, or use a kerel frmo backports if your haardware is bleeding edge |
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| 05:15.40 | GeorgeS069 | sep: not exactly bleeding edge but,I do need support for my ATI chipset |
| 05:15.53 | GeorgeS069 | ATIIXP I think |
| 05:16.20 | astronut | what kernel is support introduced in? |
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| 05:16.32 | GeorgeS069 | I'm waiting for the raid arrays to build so I canwork on the system |
| 05:17.20 | Azar | sep I would not bother or hurry but there are several unclear news this summer on the hardware topic and I want to catch the last train |
| 05:17.44 | GeorgeS069 | I went cheap...4 IDE's and software raid |
| 05:18.03 | Azar | raid: me runs like a bug |
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| 05:18.24 | sep | GeorgeS069, i have several of those too. |
| 05:18.25 | GeorgeS069 | raid is easy in the debian installer |
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| 05:18.40 | sep | GeorgeS069, yeah they take all the fnu out of things :) |
| 05:18.49 | sep | s/fnu/fun/ |
| 05:19.09 | GeorgeS069 | I remember setting up raid5 years ago on potato...now that was a biatch |
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| 05:20.06 | tuv | i want to run cacti with lighttpd, but the debian package depends on apache variants only! why is that? |
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| 05:21.54 | GeorgeS069 | can I get kernel 2.6.15 working on a Sarge install or is there a better way to get the proper ATI chipset support? |
| 05:23.20 | samuel | GeorgeS069, yes ext3, and i just got through trying to analyze it with PLAC boot disk |
| 05:23.28 | samuel | but i dont even know what im looking for |
| 05:23.29 | sep | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 05:23.30 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 05:23.49 | sep | GeorgeS069, or if it's installed already install the backports.org kernel-image |
| 05:23.53 | Azar | uh kernel 2.6.17 eh? so far have to go? |
| 05:24.13 | Azar | sep: http://linux-ata.org/sata-status.html |
| 05:24.17 | GeorgeS069 | samuel: I know it wasn't PLAC that I used |
| 05:24.39 | samuel | GeorgeS069, hmmm.... |
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| 05:25.01 | sep | tuv, have no idea. use equivs to provide a apache package and try if it works with lighttpd, if it works bug the cacti package |
| 05:25.11 | GeorgeS069 | pretty sure I was using reiserfs when I did all that and there is some command in resier tools to recover lost files |
| 05:25.23 | sep | tuv, dosnt hurt to check bts first perhaps it's already bugged |
| 05:25.48 | sep | GeorgeS069, reiserfs have good recoverytools... since so many use them all the time.. :/ |
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| 05:26.07 | tuv | sep, where can i learn about equivs? (my first encounter!) |
| 05:26.08 | zinx | sep: actually, it has pretty bad recovery tools. |
| 05:26.18 | GeorgeS069 | I know it put everything in lost&found with mostly the proper file extensions |
| 05:26.53 | sep | tuv, install it , read in /usr/share/doc/equivs |
| 05:26.59 | GeorgeS069 | I am switching my system to ext3 as per the advice given in here :) |
| 05:27.06 | tuv | sep, thanks |
| 05:27.19 | sep | zinx, compared to ext3 ? :)) |
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| 05:28.15 | zinx | sep: yes. |
| 05:30.03 | Azar | bah maybe I got terribly confused, but I understand I will have to buy now the PC and wait until next year for a new stable Debian release that will support a kernel => 2.6.17 to have its sata and who knows what other newer drivers run |
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| 05:30.37 | sep | Azar, or use a backported/homemade kernel |
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| 05:31.00 | sep | Azar, and you can buy hardware that sarge support out of the box |
| 05:31.03 | Azar | sep :) sounds sexy only I can't afford that time: working 2 jobs |
| 05:31.09 | sep | Azar, it's not just 1 sata chipset you know |
| 05:31.27 | deadcat_ | how does crosscompiling work? |
| 05:31.44 | sep | Azar, and many nonsuported sata chipsets have a bios setting for legazy mode that makes it work |
| 05:31.47 | deadcat_ | where can i download a cross compiler? |
| 05:31.50 | GeorgeS069 | is sata really any faster than ide???the drives still spin at the same speed |
| 05:31.59 | sep | Azar, generaly iv not had problems with sata on sarge |
| 05:32.19 | Azar | sep hard to match stuff, everything is so new and controversial, PCI, AGP new AMD generation, shheesssh and next year will be worse |
| 05:33.18 | Azar | sep: the sarge installer did not even sensed my hardware, I put the CD on and the screen stayed blank: I had to trick it with woody to figure out I have to turn sata off |
| 05:34.13 | Azar | now with a real sata HD I doubt I can fool it this way again |
| 05:34.38 | Gnea | Azar: 2.6 couldn't find it? |
| 05:35.11 | Azar | Gnea, was strange... really strange. The CD did not even spinned |
| 05:35.23 | Azar | the woody cd yes, the sarge cd no |
| 05:35.26 | sep | GeorgeS069, but what if you have 10 harddrives :) |
| 05:35.30 | Gnea | Azar: wow... tried another disc? |
| 05:35.36 | Gnea | Azar: i mean, reburn sarge |
| 05:35.40 | Azar | Gnea, yes, the woody one |
| 05:35.46 | sep | Azar, did the linux kernel boot ? |
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| 05:36.01 | sep | Azar, from the sarge cd ? |
| 05:36.03 | Azar | sep, I inserted the sarge cd and did not even blinked |
| 05:36.05 | peterS | Azar: if kernel 2.6.15 will do, you can download the etch installer beta. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:36.10 | GeorgeS069 | lol...you use a 3ware card and run raid and have a faster setup than any dumb old single sata drive:) |
| 05:36.13 | Gnea | sep: the sarge cd is fucked |
| 05:36.15 | tuv | sep, thanks for letting me know about equivs.. looks interesting! |
| 05:36.16 | peterS | Azar: if you really need 2.6.17, then yes, you have to wait |
| 05:36.16 | sep | Azar, that's not due to the sarge installer lol |
| 05:36.30 | sep | Azar, that's called a coster. |
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| 05:36.39 | Azar | peterS thanks I will try that, for now I am hunting for the new box with fears |
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| 05:36.48 | sep | Azar, verify your downloaded iso with md5sum against the md5suom on the webpage |
| 05:36.51 | jetscreamer | whytf doesn't glxgears output fps anymore |
| 05:37.01 | sep | and verify your md5suf of the burned cd against both the others |
| 05:37.06 | Azar | sep, I purchased the installers from a linux website |
| 05:37.16 | Gnea | Azar: i'd try another sarge burn, check for chips on the blank cd |
| 05:37.17 | sep | Azar, refund |
| 05:37.23 | jetscreamer | Azar: omg |
| 05:37.23 | streuner | jetscreamer: something in changelog? |
| 05:37.28 | Azar | sep, the installer works, on other non-sata boxes |
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| 05:37.36 | jetscreamer | streuner: not sure it's been a while since it stopped |
| 05:37.49 | Gnea | Azar: email the site, tell them the sarge cd doesn't work, have them send another at no cost to you |
| 05:37.50 | Sipingal | join #mplayer |
| 05:38.00 | jetscreamer | and finding a manpage on that is hard so far |
| 05:38.01 | sep | Azar, but you say the cd dont spin up. it's impossible for it to be related to the sarge installer. |
| 05:38.02 | Azar | jetscreamer: my ignorance cost me $28.00 for a Debian CD |
| 05:38.14 | jetscreamer | Azar: dang dude |
| 05:38.25 | Azar | sep, the sarge installer CD will go dead on a sata box |
| 05:38.28 | jetscreamer | Azar: it's always a learning experience |
| 05:38.30 | Gnea | sep: yes, we've already ascertained that it's a coaster :) |
| 05:38.30 | GeorgeS069 | you actually paid for a debian cd? |
| 05:38.35 | streuner | jetscreamer: what does BTS say about? |
| 05:38.47 | sep | Gnea, but it works on another box? that's not a coster |
| 05:38.51 | Azar | GeorgeS069: yes, I have no knowledge and time to burn CDs |
| 05:38.54 | Gnea | sep: does it? |
| 05:38.57 | streuner | jetscreamer: Did you change the driver in this time? |
| 05:39.05 | sep | Azar> sep, the installer works, on other non-sata boxes |
| 05:39.21 | Gnea | Azar: can you swap cdrom drives? |
| 05:39.29 | Azar | yes I used the sarge installer on a IDE box and went ok |
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| 05:39.43 | GeorgeS069 | Azar : burning a cd is easy...downloading the files is the hard part :) |
| 05:39.43 | Gnea | Azar: did you hit enter at the boot: prompt? |
| 05:39.44 | Azar | Gnea, I guess not |
| 05:39.47 | streuner | jetscreamer: nevermind :-) xorg -> 7 :-) |
| 05:40.05 | Azar | Gnea, there was not a boot prompt: was just nothingness :) |
| 05:40.19 | Gnea | Azar: i mean, on other systems :) |
| 05:40.34 | Azar | woody installed on the sata box but after installation gave me a warning of about what was going on |
| 05:40.38 | GeorgeS069 | Azar : Did you set the bios settings to boot from the CD ? |
| 05:40.47 | jetscreamer | streuner: some maintainer's idea of 'better' : This is a feature, it reminds people that glxgears is not a benchmark. Use -printfps (or -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark :) if you must. |
| 05:40.47 | sep | Azar, i'd assume it was a cdrom vs cd media issue. not commom, but not entierly rare either |
| 05:40.50 | jetscreamer | stupid imo |
| 05:40.51 | Azar | GeorgeS069: ofcourse |
| 05:41.21 | Sipingal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:41.42 | GeorgeS069 | Sipingal : why??I like it here just fine |
| 05:41.47 | streuner | mplayer? :-) |
| 05:41.53 | Gnea | lol |
| 05:42.19 | Azar | in any case for other new or inexperienced ones, would be nice to see a warning there: you are trying to install Debian Sarge on a SATA system. The kernel currently provided by default is not suitable for such hardware drivers ... or something like that. Woody did warned me |
| 05:42.45 | sep | Azar, but the sarge kernes _is_ suiteable for such hardware :) |
| 05:42.52 | GeorgeS069 | it's newer |
| 05:42.53 | Gnea | Azar: my advice for all SATA people is to use linux26 at the boot: prompt :) |
| 05:43.03 | Azar | fortunately I was using an IDE driver on a sata enabled bios... so it was fixed |
| 05:43.15 | Gnea | has been for a very long time now |
| 05:43.16 | sep | Azar, i know i have several all sata boxes |
| 05:43.25 | jetscreamer | GeorgeS069: you can /join >1 channel |
| 05:43.53 | jetscreamer | up to 20 in one client on freenode |
| 05:43.56 | Sipingal | The mplayer configure scirpt report "The GUI requires the X11 extension XShape (which was not found)" in etch |
| 05:44.00 | GeorgeS069 | last thing I need is another window/channel open :) |
| 05:44.04 | Azar | sep, I have no idea why sarge wont install on that sata box. At all. This made me think it will never work |
| 05:44.06 | Gnea | well that's ghey |
| 05:44.11 | Gnea | i wanna join 21 at once |
| 05:44.18 | Gnea | :P |
| 05:44.20 | jetscreamer | Sipingal: then your xorg is borked, should work. |
| 05:44.40 | jetscreamer | Azar: did you get the can't find root thingy or what |
| 05:44.44 | streuner | Azar: you did know, that all SATA stuff which makes debian users headaches caused by the kernel itself, most users get rid of the headaches using 2.6.15 kernel from kmuto? |
| 05:44.45 | Gnea | Sipingal: what version of xorg? |
| 05:44.45 | Sipingal | It's work well. |
| 05:44.46 | Azar | sep, I am use like with woody, to insert the installer CD and install all the way with no problems. |
| 05:44.51 | sep | Azar, the cd didn't spin up. it's totaly unrelated to sarge. you didnt get a kernel the installer never started you have no way of saying that |
| 05:44.53 | pinky | I have a data DVD I burnt (iso9660) that apparantly is corrupted because I can't copy over ONE of the files (all the others are fine, even tried on Windows, Slackware, and Debian)... |
| 05:44.59 | Sipingal | xorg 7.0 |
| 05:45.03 | pinky | ...is there a utility to copy over whatever bits CAN be read? |
| 05:45.04 | Sipingal | gcc 4.1 |
| 05:45.23 | Sipingal | mplayer 1.0-pre8 |
| 05:45.23 | Gnea | !xorg7 |
| 05:45.24 | dpkg | Find some solutions at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 in order to fix problems from 6.9 to 7 |
| 05:45.25 | Azar | streuner: I just googled and read some articles on it, I understand the easiest way is to go with a 2.6.17 or higher. |
| 05:45.25 | jetscreamer | pinky: dd if=/dev/dvd of=somename.iso |
| 05:45.29 | pinky | Like maybe a certain percentage of this one file is bad sectors, can I copy everything BUT those sectors? |
| 05:45.42 | jetscreamer | pinky: dd_rescue if the sector is borked |
| 05:45.44 | streuner | Azar: 2.6.17 isn't stable |
| 05:45.45 | Gnea | Sipingal: visit the site that dpkg just said ^^ |
| 05:45.46 | Azar | I hope etch will support 2.6.17 |
| 05:45.49 | streuner | !kernel |
| 05:45.51 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.16.20, prepatch: 2.6.17-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.17-rc6-git7, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.17-rc6-mm2 |
| 05:45.55 | pinky | jetscreamer: But then I just have an ISO file? I want to copy the files ON the DVD to another filesystem (HDD) |
| 05:46.09 | jetscreamer | pinky: mount the .iso and cp files after |
| 05:46.28 | sep | pinky, then mount -o loop ./somename.iso /mnt |
| 05:46.30 | pinky | jetscreamer: Won't I just get an I/O error? |
| 05:46.32 | sep | and comy them from there. |
| 05:46.34 | jetscreamer | no |
| 05:46.36 | pinky | Yeah I know how to mount an image |
| 05:46.40 | Azar | so far I feel comfy with sarge on my old box, so is no hurry: I only hurry to catch the last vestiges of amd athlon, and nvidia with AGP support (they will go PCI) |
| 05:46.45 | jetscreamer | you wan't dd_rescue not dd |
| 05:46.47 | Gnea | pinky: only if there's no space left |
| 05:46.53 | sep | pinky, he said dd_rescue if you get io errors (or just read man dd) |
| 05:47.11 | jetscreamer | there's an error count in dd but i know nothing |
| 05:47.33 | jetscreamer | dd_rhelp is cool too it's a frontend for dd_rescue i think |
| 05:47.34 | pinky | Okay, well, I only need this one (possibly two) files so it seems kinda silly to dump the whole image, but it'd be worth it if it works |
| 05:47.50 | pinky | Oh, okay, I'll check that out if plain dd doesn't work |
| 05:47.50 | K|NgGh0sT | ah crap, there goes that free harddrive space |
| 05:47.55 | jetscreamer | pinky: can't you mount the dvd and just copy? |
| 05:47.59 | Azar | socket 754 |
| 05:48.01 | jetscreamer | or it won't mount |
| 05:48.10 | pinky | jetscreamer: It'll mount, but like I said it's a bad burn |
| 05:48.10 | sep | and dd_rescue is basicaly dd with noerror flag |
| 05:48.25 | pinky | The disc isn't scratched, but the data was corrupted for one or two of the 26 files while burning |
| 05:48.33 | valdyn | pinky: if you cant copy the files after mounting, then dd_rescue cant fix that |
| 05:49.00 | jetscreamer | well it will leave some spaces in the data if the sectors are bad |
| 05:49.01 | pinky | valdyn: What about their suggestions of just using dd to dump an ISO image and trying to copy it from that? |
| 05:49.08 | jetscreamer | thus borking the file |
| 05:49.22 | jetscreamer | it will get all the data it can |
| 05:49.22 | valdyn | pinky: pointless, if you can mount the cd just cp the files, if that doesnt work, dd_rescue the files |
| 05:49.23 | Azar | thanks a lot for inputs |
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| 05:49.49 | pinky | But you said: "then dd_rescue cant fix that" |
| 05:49.53 | pinky | can or cant? |
| 05:50.09 | valdyn | pinky: it cant fix it, but it can grab the non-broken parts of those files |
| 05:50.22 | pinky | Right, okay, that's what I'm looking for. |
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| 05:50.33 | chron | how can i make stuff from source |
| 05:50.36 | chron | what package do i need |
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| 05:51.34 | pinky | valdyn: Is there a package dd_rescue is in? |
| 05:51.40 | valdyn | pinky: yes |
| 05:51.44 | pinky | And even dd_rhelp |
| 05:51.53 | pinky | Do you happen to know its name? |
| 05:52.22 | valdyn | pinky: there's 2, i dont suppose there's significant functionl difference, gddrescue and ddrescue |
| 05:52.23 | Gnea | apt-cache can find it |
| 05:53.15 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search rescue |
| 05:53.31 | jetscreamer | check out dd_rhelp though also |
| 05:53.37 | jetscreamer | i like the x's |
| 05:54.21 | tarzeau | which file does k3bsetup edit? |
| 05:54.47 | Sipingal | Recheck the configure script, I find "/usr/X11/include /usr/X11R6/include /usr/include/X11R6 /usr/include /usr/openwin/include " in it. |
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| 05:55.13 | Sipingal | Mybe ,/usr/X11R6 -> /usr/X11R7 |
| 05:55.24 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: it sets permissions afaicr |
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| 05:55.46 | pinky | Wow, dd_rescue is giving me lots of I/O errors |
| 05:56.02 | jetscreamer | maybe the files are at the front |
| 05:56.12 | jetscreamer | and that's gonna be like every .5k |
| 05:56.17 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 05:56.20 | jetscreamer | jsut let it sit |
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| 05:56.31 | jetscreamer | maybe tomorrow it might be finished :) |
| 05:56.46 | jetscreamer | you can tell it to start from the end |
| 05:56.49 | pinky | Haha... og |
| 05:57.08 | pinky | Well it's copied off ~50MB so far |
| 05:57.21 | jetscreamer | dd_rhelp says that it will get the recoverable data first, and go back to the hard stuff later |
| 05:57.43 | jetscreamer | well more like a time thing, how long to recover the data |
| 05:57.59 | pinky | It sounds like it got ~45% through and hit the hard parts and now it's trying to fix that |
| 05:58.09 | jetscreamer | it will get all it can |
| 05:58.24 | Sipingal | Thx all. I'll retry. |
| 05:58.25 | pinky | Right. Okay, well I'll just let it sit then. |
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| 05:58.36 | valdyn | doubt its likely that it can really 'recover' 'hard to read stuff' |
| 05:59.12 | pinky | valdyn: I don't necessarily want it to recover it, I just want to see if the amount of data that it can't retrieve is negligable or not |
| 05:59.12 | jetscreamer | there are times when just trying longer will get a bit more.. haha punny ... 'bit' |
| 05:59.33 | pinky | It's just an episode of a show I have DVDs for anyway, so I could re-rip it, I'd just rather try and salvage this first. |
| 05:59.51 | pinky | hahaha nerd puns! |
| 06:00.06 | pinky | sweet... |
| 06:00.22 | valdyn | pinky: you could also just polish the scratches |
| 06:00.39 | pinky | Well that's the thing, it's not scratched |
| 06:00.45 | pinky | It was a bad burn (almost positive) |
| 06:00.47 | valdyn | pinky: oh, i see |
| 06:00.52 | pinky | Nero 6 on Windows |
| 06:00.56 | pinky | burned it |
| 06:01.38 | valdyn | pinky: np, dvd's do not let the burning program do much at all |
| 06:01.45 | jetscreamer | Sipingal: did you read http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7/ ? might help might not |
| 06:01.46 | valdyn | pinky: its all in firmware |
| 06:02.21 | pinky | valdyn: Oh, really, didn't know that. So the chances of having a bad burn are more likely to lie on the burner model/firmware and the media itself? |
| 06:02.39 | valdyn | pinky: yea |
| 06:03.11 | valdyn | pinky: dvd burners do break pretty fast compared to most other computer devices |
| 06:03.40 | pinky | Well after I noticed this one failed, every single other data DVD I burned after that I checked using Nero CD/DVD Tool to see if it gave me an I/O error while it scanned all the sectors |
| 06:03.43 | valdyn | pinky: well, i do smoke too, that might make it worse |
| 06:03.56 | dorel_1 | im booting with sarge 3.1 on expert26 mode for an installation on a dell pe850 1u server and when i get to partition disks section it complains about 'no partitionable media found' or something of that sort |
| 06:04.28 | pinky | Is there anything that will do that under Debian? |
| 06:04.57 | pinky | I found it was useful to run a check on every DVD so I could identify the coasters before I deleted the data I was burning from my HDD... |
| 06:04.59 | valdyn | pinky: many tools, dd, ddrescue, cat, copy |
| 06:05.07 | valdyn | pinky: all can be aplied to /dev/whatever |
| 06:05.19 | valdyn | pinky: err, nm the 'copy' =/ |
| 06:05.52 | valdyn | pinky: for instance 'dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/null' to test 1 dvd |
| 06:05.54 | pinky | So for example burn a data DVD, then "dd if=/dev/hda of=omg.iso" and if there is a bad burn it will return an IO error? |
| 06:06.02 | menko | hey... anyone else having trouble with cups in unstable? |
| 06:06.05 | valdyn | pinky: yea |
| 06:06.06 | pinky | Ah, /dev/null |
| 06:06.12 | pinky | That would be better I suppose |
| 06:06.55 | pinky | valdyn: So do you have experience with data DVDs and using ddrescue? |
| 06:07.49 | valdyn | pinky: oddly enough, no, i just use that for speed benchmarking |
| 06:07.49 | pinky | It's nearing 850 errors that it has found... I'm not quite sure how much data that translates to for my 108MB Xvid/MP3 AVI file |
| 06:08.05 | Sipingal | jetscreamer: yes |
| 06:08.15 | Sipingal | jetscreamer: thxs |
| 06:08.32 | valdyn | pinky: at least 500kb i think |
| 06:08.43 | jetscreamer | dorel_1: is that raid? if so i think i heard it's hard or something difficult... not sure though. |
| 06:08.45 | Sipingal | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-014303738166f50ba33c0bd867543080f511998d |
| 06:08.48 | jetscreamer | with sarge |
| 06:09.10 | pinky | Hmm, okay, I'll just let this sit and see how much data is lost... worse comes to worse I can just rerip/reencode from the video DVDs.... |
| 06:09.17 | pinky | Thanks, though. |
| 06:09.45 | jetscreamer | dorel_1: if no help is found here you might try in #debian-boot |
| 06:09.53 | jetscreamer | but that's more for etch installer |
| 06:09.53 | dorel_1 | jetscreamer: nah, its just a sata drive that sarge 3.1 doesnt detect even with a expert26 install mode. any ideas how to make it work? |
| 06:10.06 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 06:10.06 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.15] http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 06:10.08 | valdyn | dorel_1: ^^^ |
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| 06:10.21 | jetscreamer | oh yeah i have an idea! |
| 06:10.27 | jetscreamer | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 06:10.27 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
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| 06:11.01 | sep | dorel_1, tried all kernels in boot: and check sata settings in bios. if all fail try the unofficial sarge installer dpkg pasted. (keep in mind you might have to load modules manualy on thatone depending on hardware) |
| 06:11.02 | liable | dorel_1: iirc, someone has made install disks for dell servers. lemme see if i can dig up a link |
| 06:11.08 | dorel_1 | ok thanks ill try debian-boot |
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| 06:11.33 | dorel_1 | i'd rather not download an entire dist now as i need to get this server up and runing asap |
| 06:11.41 | dorel_1 | i figured maybe some boot arguments may solve it |
| 06:12.15 | valdyn | dorel_1: probably not, more likely your sata controller just isnt supported by that kernel |
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| 06:13.43 | chron | dpkg -i package.deb ? |
| 06:13.45 | chron | to install deb |
| 06:13.48 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 06:15.38 | GeorgeS069 | dorel_1: doesn't look like it's a whole dist...just a 137mb iso |
| 06:16.49 | GeorgeS069 | I'm guessing it's a net install |
| 06:18.33 | GeorgeS069 | now I'm wondering if I should finish my Stable install or use the 2.6.15 image from http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
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| 06:20.09 | ram_einstein | I installed unifont using apt-get in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/unifont.pcf.gz. Why isn't unifont listed in the output of xlsfonts? |
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| 06:25.06 | jetscreamer | 'maybe' your font paths in xorg.conf need updating but i know nothing... just guessing |
| 06:25.34 | ram_einstein | jetscreamer: you banged the nail right on the head |
| 06:25.43 | ram_einstein | I need to restart X and load my new xorg.conf |
| 06:25.50 | ram_einstein | is it possible to do that without restarting X? |
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| 06:28.30 | GeorgeS069 | I'm gonna grab some sack time while these arrays build...se yall in a few hours |
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| 06:29.28 | ram_einstein | jetscreamer: actually, no. The font path exists in xorg.conf now and xlsfonts still doesn't display unifont |
| 06:30.03 | tarzeau | where does k3bsetup save its configuration to? |
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| 06:33.05 | Vasistha | tarzeau: did you look in .kde/share/apps or something like that? |
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| 06:34.12 | tarzeau | Vasistha: yay it's in .kde/share/config/k3bsetup2rc |
| 06:34.35 | Vasistha | excellent |
| 06:36.28 | ram_einstein | I installed a font /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/unifont.pcf.gz and /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ is my current xorg.conf fontpath. Why doesn't unifont show up in xlsfonts then? |
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| 06:37.06 | snakeman | how do I put multiple IP addresses on the same NIC which have different subnets? |
| 06:40.30 | sep | !split access |
| 06:40.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the dirst step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 06:41.02 | sep | snakeman, humm or did you still only have 1 default gw? if yes ignore the above and jsut add the ip |
| 06:41.40 | liable | !split access =~ s/dirst step/first step/ |
| 06:41.40 | dpkg | OK, liable |
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| 06:43.07 | sep | snakeman, you can add ip's in /etc/network/interfaces either with an up statement in eth0 , or add stancas saying eth0:1 eth0:2 etc |
| 06:44.16 | snakeman | okay... |
| 06:44.30 | snakeman | well..I have 192.168.0.20 as eth0 |
| 06:44.44 | snakeman | and I just added 192.168.1.1 as eth0:1 |
| 06:45.21 | snakeman | when I did the ifup eth0:1 i got this: Ignoring unknown interface eth0:1=eth0:1. |
| 06:45.28 | snakeman | put it seems to be "up" |
| 06:45.39 | snakeman | was it bad to skip eth0:0? |
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| 06:47.10 | peppet | snakeman: no, use ifconfig eth0:1 up |
| 06:48.37 | snakeman | ahh.. |
| 06:49.10 | snakeman | and it's alright to have them on different subnets, right? |
| 06:49.23 | snakeman | thought I read something that said you couldn't.. |
| 06:49.51 | peppet | snakeman: yes, if you know what yo're doing |
| 06:50.36 | larrikin | back to X for a sec, does anyone know if there is a way to make gnome 'release' its drag state if/when it gets caught .. ? |
| 06:51.42 | liable | larrikin: i dont think i know, but i dont quite understand your question either |
| 06:54.19 | larrikin | when you hold the left mouse button and move the cursor, under gnome, your cursor changes and you are able to drag items onto containers .. I want to know if/when gnome might get caught in this state, if is possible to release it in any way |
| 06:55.07 | deadcat_ | if i want to compile a kernel for Arm arch via make-kpkg, which cross compiler do i need? |
| 06:55.43 | deadcat_ | nevermind |
| 06:55.48 | deadcat_ | --arch would do i guess |
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| 07:10.07 | jeffrin | hello |
| 07:10.23 | jeffrin | my card is working in half duplex mode |
| 07:10.34 | jeffrin | how to change it into full duplex mode |
| 07:10.56 | ram_einstein | I installed unifont, but it doesn't show up in xlsfonts even though it is installed in a path listed as a fontpath in xorg.conf |
| 07:11.02 | ram_einstein | why? |
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| 07:12.32 | peppet | jeffrin: try ethtool |
| 07:13.02 | Slaughter | hi gents |
| 07:13.05 | peppet | or net-tools |
| 07:14.05 | larrikin | jeffrin loading eth driver as module ? |
| 07:14.23 | jeffrin | ok |
| 07:14.41 | triplep | has anyone build vim form source for amd64? presuming that it should build fine despite the deb is broken |
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| 07:15.15 | Boter | `bdone` char(1) character set latin1 default '', |
| 07:15.25 | Boter | how to do that this will work in mysql 4.0.26? |
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| 07:18.30 | Boter | wrong window |
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| 07:23.18 | ram_einstein | plus, I installed unifont, a unicode font. It doesn't show up in xlsfonts for some reason. Why? I restarted X and tried |
| 07:23.22 | ram_einstein | but with no result |
| 07:24.56 | triplep | make |
| 07:25.02 | triplep | sorry |
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| 07:31.16 | ram_einstein | how do I enable my framebuffer device? >> /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 07:31.56 | ram_einstein | and how do I get more modes in my VESA VGA driver? why don't I have mode 700 (1024x768@70) |
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| 07:34.03 | liable | ram_einstein: modprobe vesafb? |
| 07:34.38 | ram_einstein | liable: I don't have the vesafb module |
| 07:34.45 | ram_einstein | FATAL: Module vesafb not found. |
| 07:35.34 | ram_einstein | 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8 << running kernel image obtained through apt-get |
| 07:36.21 | liable | ram_einstein: modprobe -l |grep vesa |
| 07:36.46 | liable | ram_einstein: i got it, but thats a sarge 386 jkernel |
| 07:36.50 | ram_einstein | liable: nothing |
| 07:37.05 | jeffrin | peppet : hello |
| 07:37.10 | ram_einstein | I see, mine's an etch amd64 k8 kernel |
| 07:37.15 | liable | ram_einstein: huh? nothing at all from grep vesa? |
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| 07:37.32 | jeffrin | peppet : i tried ethtool |
| 07:37.34 | ram_einstein | liable: yes, nothing |
| 07:37.56 | liable | ram_einstein: hrm, dunno then. i have no clue with the 64 stuff. |
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| 07:38.14 | liable | i have no clue in general, but especially 64 stuff :) |
| 07:38.37 | jeffrin | peppet : i tried ethtool now it is showing link not ready |
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| 07:40.02 | ram_einstein | liable: okay, thanks for trying anyway |
| 07:40.18 | peppet | jeffrin: does the link becomes ready if you reset to half-duplex? |
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| 07:40.46 | liable | ram_einstein: ask in the 64 channel, they would know better. |
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| 07:41.07 | ram_einstein | liable: it would be easier if they weren't dead :P |
| 07:41.32 | liable | ram_einstein: heh, give it time, it will get busier :) |
| 07:41.38 | jeffrin | peppet : i gave "ethtool -s eth0 duplex half" now is the link is not ready |
| 07:41.51 | ram_einstein | liable: don't worry, I'll try on that channel |
| 07:42.33 | jeffrin | peppet : driver is loaded as a module |
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| 07:44.00 | Werdna | gah, having trouble installing gcc |
| 07:44.48 | jeffrin | peppet : hey link becomes ready after reset |
| 07:45.04 | jeffrin | peppet : i used mii-tool but half duplex |
| 07:46.32 | ram_einstein | liable: if I can pass a vga paramter to the kernel, doesn't it mean that the vga driver is built into it? |
| 07:46.35 | peppet | jeffrin: pheraps the interface/switch/hub to which you are connected is half-duplex |
| 07:47.30 | jeffrin | peppet : so what to do about that hub |
| 07:47.40 | jeffrin | peppet : can we do something |
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| 07:48.26 | peppet | jeffrin: buy another ;) |
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| 07:51.54 | liable | ram_einstein: it means theres a fb module of some sort. |
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| 07:52.11 | liable | ram_einstein: lsmod |
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| 07:55.14 | wycats | Where can I find the rc_ scripts? |
| 07:55.16 | liable | grr, i cant get the stupid cpu fan to not go at max rpm on my box |
| 07:55.38 | wycats | There's a daemon script for Lighty I'm trying to use that's looking for them |
| 07:55.44 | ram_einstein | liable: lsmod | grep fb doesn't return anything |
| 07:55.49 | wycats | apparently they're in /etc/rc.status in RH |
| 07:56.27 | liable | ram_einstein: check your kernel logs for loading a fb module. do you get small text in console? |
| 07:56.28 | ram_einstein | liable: I think it means that the VGA driver which supports framebuffer devices is built into the kernel |
| 07:56.44 | ram_einstein | liable: I'll check the kernel logs, good idea |
| 07:57.05 | liable | ram_einstein: if its a debian kernel, i doubt it, but as i say, i have no idea what the go is with the 54 stuff. |
| 07:57.33 | rkrush | Is there a way to search for a package without using dselect or that other program, whatver it's name is? |
| 07:57.37 | wycats | anyone> |
| 07:57.38 | wycats | ? |
| 07:57.39 | ram_einstein | liable: Right. It might have nothing to do with me being on an AMD64 K8 machine |
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| 07:58.07 | ram_einstein | liable: dmesg | grep fb doesn't return anything, dmesg | grep vga returns the kernel line I used to boot |
| 07:58.10 | liable | rkrush: you mean apt? or aptitude? |
| 07:58.20 | rkrush | aptitude, there we go. |
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| 07:58.37 | ram_einstein | rkrush: or apt-cache search, that's what I use |
| 07:58.53 | rkrush | Awesome! Thanks :) |
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| 07:59.08 | ram_einstein | np |
| 07:59.13 | liable | ram_einstein: it doesnt look like you get frambuffer shit happening then. is your boot text smaller? |
| 07:59.43 | getcode | hello |
| 07:59.53 | jarango | I need help with X which won't run after I updated the packages on my system. According to the log file, it could not load the glx module because it failed to load the GLcore submodule |
| 08:00.00 | ram_einstein | umm.. the when I passed the vga kernel parameter, nothing much happened, excpet that the text is now a little broken |
| 08:00.08 | ram_einstein | the display is a little broken sorry |
| 08:00.14 | liable | wycats: /etc/init.d/ |
| 08:00.27 | stoned | jarango, don't load the glx then |
| 08:00.29 | ram_einstein | liable: my boot line is: kernel foo root=/dev/mapper/debian-rootfs ro vga=790 quiet |
| 08:00.44 | rkrush | And as far as dselect/aptitude is concerned, is there any way to clear the packages I've selected? I only did a base install, so it automatically selected a bunch of required/important packages and then I selected a couple of dozen more that I don't want to install any more. ANy way to get it to "forget" the ones I pesonally selected? |
| 08:01.07 | jarango | stoned: tried that and it did not work |
| 08:01.11 | liable | ram_einstein: have a proper read of the kern.log and see what it says about framebuffer |
| 08:01.19 | wycats | What in init.d? |
| 08:01.37 | liable | wycats: its where debian puts init scripts |
| 08:01.37 | ram_einstein | liable: okay, I'll read it once more |
| 08:01.48 | wycats | I'm not looking for an init script |
| 08:02.02 | ram_einstein | rkrush: dpkg -l <package name>. Remove pacakges that aren't marked required |
| 08:02.03 | wycats | I'm looking for the rc_status functions |
| 08:02.07 | ram_einstein | under priority |
| 08:02.31 | ram_einstein | rkrush: there must be an automatic way to filtering Required packages, I don't know though |
| 08:02.53 | wycats | rc_check, rc_status, rc_failed, etc. |
| 08:03.30 | rkrush | ram_einstein: At the very least I can re-select all the packages with Req or Imp status :P Thanks! |
| 08:04.18 | ram_einstein | np |
| 08:04.48 | ram_einstein | rkrush: Debian auto-installs only Requied packages. Anything that's not required is, well, not required |
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| 08:09.34 | chin | i used dd to fill rando data in sata from laptop _it's made before of create encryped partitions_ and now it shows buffer i/o error, and i cannot restart, and memory is full, any help? please |
| 08:10.49 | wycats | :( |
| 08:11.23 | ram_einstein | any idea how to find out if the vesafb driver is built into my kernel? I did not compile my kernel. I just downloaded a generic kernel image |
| 08:11.48 | chin | any idea to restart my laptop? please |
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| 08:12.00 | valdyn | chin: with the power button |
| 08:12.28 | chin | i made it, but it doesn't shutdown |
| 08:12.30 | liable | ram_einstein: grep -i vesa /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 08:12.42 | valdyn | chin: hit that button for a couple seconds |
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| 08:12.53 | valdyn | chin: hold that button for a couple seconds |
| 08:13.23 | chin | valdyn, now yes, thx, i hope that my hd is ok |
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| 08:13.39 | ram_einstein | liable: that's a nice way of cheating :) Thanks |
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| 08:13.45 | ram_einstein | it is built in apparently |
| 08:13.48 | TheHobbit | hi ppl.... |
| 08:14.19 | ram_einstein | liable: it's a good thing kernel images come with the config file |
| 08:14.23 | Vasistha | TheHobbit: welcome! if you've got a debian question, feel free to just ask ;-) |
| 08:14.30 | ram_einstein | otherwise, there'd be no way of finding out |
| 08:14.45 | tarzeau | ram_einstein: newer kernels can display their config, when told so |
| 08:14.50 | tarzeau | ram_einstein: the linux ones |
| 08:14.53 | TheHobbit | does anyone know how to setup a firewall (maybe using a proxy?) so as to use gnomemeeting from a nat-ed LAN? |
| 08:15.11 | tarzeau | ram_einstein: and you can figure quite much out using the kernels modules as well as the /proc |
| 08:15.23 | valdyn | !masq |
| 08:15.23 | dpkg | i guess masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L |
| 08:15.36 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 08:15.43 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:15.43 | liable | ram_einstein: indeed :) |
| 08:15.44 | ram_einstein | tarzeau: yeah? how do you do that? |
| 08:15.48 | valdyn | TheHobbit: maybe firestarter is right for you |
| 08:16.20 | ram_einstein | what!? popularity contest? |
| 08:16.24 | TheHobbit | firestarter valdyn ? what's it? |
| 08:16.34 | valdyn | TheHobbit: check that yourself |
| 08:16.44 | ram_einstein | tarzeau: how do you make demand the running kernel to throw out its config? |
| 08:16.45 | TheHobbit | thank you valdyn :) |
| 08:16.46 | valdyn | !google |
| 08:16.46 | dpkg | methinks google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 08:16.59 | valdyn | TheHobbit: or apt-cache show |
| 08:17.01 | Vasistha | tarzeau: heh, I only just realized that it's 'popcon' and not 'popcorn' when I tried to ask dpkg about 'popcorn' |
| 08:17.17 | TheHobbit | valdyn: exactly what I'm doing now |
| 08:17.34 | peppet | Vasistha: rotfl |
| 08:17.40 | ram_einstein | bbiab |
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| 08:18.47 | TheHobbit | thank you again valdyn, I'l give it a try |
| 08:20.38 | liable | hrm, my 2.6.15-486 has vesafb built in too. why would they do that? |
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| 08:23.14 | liable | anyone? |
| 08:25.47 | wycats | This is still really strange |
| 08:25.59 | lutin_triste | is there a way to install ati fglrx on debian stable |
| 08:26.04 | wycats | The init script for lighty requires /etc/rc.status |
| 08:26.13 | wycats | but debian doesn't have it |
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| 08:28.03 | evilgeek | hm. do there exist GNU libc development mailing lists? |
| 08:28.33 | lutin_triste | is there a way to install ati fglrx on debian stable |
| 08:29.11 | etchmen | I have not been able to add it to sarge |
| 08:29.24 | etchmen | Updated to etch |
| 08:30.10 | lutin_triste | why ? |
| 08:31.09 | etchmen | etch/fglrx supports new widescreen lappys better |
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| 08:31.41 | evilgeek | surely you can use backports.org |
| 08:32.22 | etchmen | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 08:32.29 | etchmen | thats ok as well |
| 08:32.31 | etchmen | he he |
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| 08:37.19 | chin | how restart init in mode sinle? |
| 08:37.23 | etchmen | kde and cups are not good friends at the moment |
| 08:38.39 | peppet | chin: telinit S |
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| 08:42.11 | chin | peppet, thx |
| 08:42.28 | dingus9 | I just switched to sid. and I lost open gl/mesa on both my i810 and my nvidia machines? my nvid was is from nvidia.com the i810 is .deb |
| 08:42.31 | Netcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.24 | dingus9 | is there any way to get mesa working agian? maybe some different packages or something |
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| 08:47.06 | rkrush | I don't suppose aptitude/dselect will let me list all the packages I've selected for installation but haven't installed yet? |
| 08:47.54 | etchmen | check with synaptic |
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| 08:50.51 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:50.52 | dpkg | [qotd30] <rich_> Thats really the reason you have so much trouble. Linux is just a kernel to you. Without the apps yould be lost. For me, the kernel is the os, and if thats all I had, Id write my own apps |
| 08:51.24 | etchmen | wow |
| 08:52.54 | faber3 | hi everybody |
| 08:53.01 | faber3 | in "dmesg | less" i find a |
| 08:53.04 | faber3 | kernel BUG at drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic7xxx_osm.c:755! |
| 08:53.11 | etchmen | faber3: hello |
| 08:53.38 | faber3 | where is a good starting point to get this fixed? i am on a kernel 2.6.12 |
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| 08:56.17 | faber3 | where can i browse the kernel source tree? |
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| 08:58.22 | pace45 | hi, i want to write a CD with some linux files and directories in it, but also some windows files and directories, like Word documents. How could I do this? |
| 08:59.19 | mc__ | pace45, why dont you just burn the cd? |
| 08:59.33 | mc__ | pace45, i dont see a problem |
| 09:00.02 | pace45 | because, as far as i know, i wouldnt have access permissions in the cd |
| 09:02.09 | dingus9 | pace45: what software do you intend to use? I usually just use gnomebaker or the like to make an iso then burn it. Unless your problem lies in haveing perms to the drive it's self |
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| 09:03.51 | evilgeek | hm. who do you mail if you have a glibc patch? |
| 09:04.29 | pace45 | ummm, i have some projects, for which i used autotools, you know, configure, make and that stuff. I don't really know if the CD filesystem has got r-w-x permissions, and if that is the case, if i could read them from windows |
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| 09:05.45 | blaaat | I'm running Debian stable. sshfs gives me a "fusermount: mount failed: Invalid argument" error, but afaik everything is OK. sshfs user@ip.of.my.server: <mount> |
| 09:05.50 | dingus9 | pace45: are you useing iso9660? |
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| 09:07.28 | pace45 | i don't really know if there are different formats to burn a cd, apart from that one. But, as i said, i would like the cd to be readable both from linux and windows |
| 09:08.00 | faber3 | does anyone have a nameserver ip for me? |
| 09:08.29 | Vasistha | wow... this is some of the best Dylan I've heard! yay!! |
| 09:08.38 | Vasistha | oops, wrong channel! darn it! |
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| 09:09.47 | dingus9 | pace45: I am not sure but I think that as long as you stick to the iso format it should be readable by any machine any where. like most cd's |
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| 09:10.41 | dingus9 | pace45: the cd filesystem is different than say ext3 or what not. |
| 09:10.48 | pace45 | ok, so i first build an iso using gnomebaker (are there any more programs to do this?) and then i burn to a cd. It seems fine, thank you |
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| 09:13.14 | faber3 | if i do a apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15, it wants to remove the 2.6.12 image, why? |
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| 09:24.46 | Coweater | faber3: it's likely pulling the newer udev which isn't compatible with .12 |
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| 09:32.20 | faber3 | Coweater: ah, ok. well maschine is back up in 2.6.15 now, and my problems with the adaptec scsi and an external storage are gone... |
| 09:33.49 | callee | is there a good pci wlan card supporting master mode and wds and of course wpa/wpa2 encryption on linux? |
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| 09:34.38 | valdyn | !wlan |
| 09:34.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, wlan is Wireless LAN, or see wlan-ng |
| 09:34.46 | valdyn | callee: i think the madwifi site has a hardware list |
| 09:35.00 | valdyn | callee: or kismet's site |
| 09:36.32 | valdyn | callee: rt2x00 chipset support is also ok |
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| 09:37.06 | callee | valdyn: i'd need at least wpa/wpa2 in psk mode wds would be nice |
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| 09:42.19 | ZSakr | how do we uninstall apps from tar.gz.package ? |
| 09:42.33 | callee | ZSakr: not at all |
| 09:43.03 | ZSakr | ? |
| 09:43.16 | callee | zamolxes: tar.gz is just an archive |
| 09:43.49 | callee | no package and therefore nothing to help uninstall except perhaps a makefile inside supporting make uninstall, but thats just it |
| 09:44.08 | ZSakr | ok |
| 09:44.09 | ZSakr | one more thing about this htb.init ...i cant find its download buttons |
| 09:44.42 | callee | what is htb.init? |
| 09:44.50 | callee | sounds like a qos script or so |
| 09:45.00 | callee | but nothing debian-like though |
| 09:47.12 | liable | ZSakr: if you are lucky, it has a make uninstall, otherwise, you manually delete all it installed. |
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| 09:48.45 | callee | liable: thats why i prefer checkinstall :) |
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| 09:49.58 | callee | fortunately its only rarely necessary as debians apt almost fetches anything by default |
| 09:50.04 | outlaw84 | is it safe to dist-upgrade into the new kde for unstable? |
| 09:50.24 | formorer | its unstable, so its never safe |
| 09:50.28 | callee | outlaw84: it is never safe, thats why its called unstable |
| 09:50.36 | liable | callee: yeah, i should try that out one day :) |
| 09:50.52 | outlaw84 | was anyone of you done it? |
| 09:51.27 | Ronin | outlaw84: define safe :) |
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| 09:51.39 | valdyn | outlaw84: unstable changes daily, even if i had done it yesterday, it might not work today |
| 09:51.57 | outlaw84 | valdyn: are you running kde? |
| 09:52.05 | valdyn | outlaw84: no |
| 09:52.24 | outlaw84 | apt is teeling me that is will remove e |
| 09:52.35 | callee | outlaw84: i am on testing, as unstable screwed my setup too often |
| 09:52.35 | liable | outlaw84: if you are scared of it breaking, use etch instead of sid |
| 09:52.46 | outlaw84 | apt is teeling me that is will remove kdelibs-bin |
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| 09:52.50 | liable | though, even etch breaks often enough |
| 09:53.00 | valdyn | outlaw84: and what is the problem with that? |
| 09:53.06 | callee | liable: but sarge doesnt work on my laptop.. |
| 09:53.16 | outlaw84 | and I read on packages.debian.org that its the core binaries for all KDE applications |
| 09:53.29 | ZSakr | http://pastebin.com/710364 help |
| 09:53.39 | valdyn | outlaw84: that info text is for sarge? |
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| 09:54.15 | valdyn | outlaw84: you cant take a sarge package and just assume it even exists in sid |
| 09:54.22 | outlaw84 | I checked it for the unstable distro |
| 09:54.39 | outlaw84 | valdyn: I am allready using unstable |
| 09:54.41 | liable | callee: i didnt say anything about sarge, or you running etch, or, actually anything to you about running unstable. |
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| 09:55.06 | valdyn | outlaw84: what are you doing that yields that error? |
| 09:56.10 | outlaw84 | I am running unstable and I do dist-upgrade weekly to get the lastest stuff... but now for a while I haven't done any dist upgrades because apt wanto to remove kdelibs-bin |
| 09:56.23 | valdyn | outlaw84: run 'apt-get install kde' |
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| 09:56.43 | valdyn | callee: and why would that be a problem? |
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| 09:57.13 | liable | ZSakr: looks like you need a kernel source |
| 09:57.32 | outlaw84 | valdyn: It says I got the latest version, but if I do an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' there are lots of kde packages that are going to be upgraded |
| 09:57.48 | callee | valdyn: because of the current version in testing and unstable doesnt support stateful filtering for ipv6 |
| 09:58.20 | wjosion | in my kdmrc file, there is this line: ServerCmd=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -br. What is that option -br? |
| 09:58.29 | liable | ZSakr: no idea about the maxdepth bit though |
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| 09:59.58 | callee | syntax error: i meant "because of the current version in testing and unstable not supporting stateful filtering ipv6" |
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| 10:01.41 | tarzeau | can i script a kde program? |
| 10:01.43 | valdyn | outlaw84: ok, i checked, kdelibd-bin is not in unstable ( at least not for amd64 ), that's bad. I suggest you dont upgrade till that is fixed |
| 10:02.02 | valdyn | outlaw84: ok, i checked, kdelibs-bin is not in unstable ( at least not for amd64 ), that's bad. I suggest you dont upgrade till that is fixed, or till none of your programs require it |
| 10:02.41 | outlaw84 | valdyn: thanks for that. how about i368? I am running that on my laptop |
| 10:03.49 | liable | isnt it replaced by kdelibs4c2a > |
| 10:03.51 | liable | ? |
| 10:03.52 | valdyn | outlaw84: i dont have a sid i386 system accessible myself |
| 10:03.58 | valdyn | !info kdelibs-bin sid |
| 10:04.20 | valdyn | outlaw84: looks like you shouldnt need that package btw |
| 10:05.08 | valdyn | outlaw84: if your apt-get dist-upgrade wants to only remove kdelibs-bin, its obvious that you dont need that package.. |
| 10:05.53 | wjosion | in my kdmrc file, there is this line: ServerCmd=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -br. What is that option -br? |
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| 10:06.24 | outlaw84 | valdyn: if I try to do a dist-upgrade I get 401 upgraded, 10 newly installed, 4 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 10:06.43 | valdyn | outlaw84: so? |
| 10:06.52 | outlaw84 | kdelibs-bin python2.3-imaging python2.3-imaging-tk python2.3-tk are the once being removed |
| 10:06.56 | valdyn | outlaw84: only 4 packages to check then, for you, if you need them |
| 10:07.06 | outlaw84 | valdyn: so you think it should work? |
| 10:07.13 | valdyn | outlaw84: do you need any of those 4? |
| 10:07.39 | liable | outlaw84: cmon, do you not think maybe those packages are being replaced by others? |
| 10:07.40 | outlaw84 | well none of them are packages that I KNOW I need |
| 10:07.48 | valdyn | outlaw84: you should probably read about debian package management and in particular how it treats dependencies |
| 10:08.16 | valdyn | outlaw84: nothing else depends on those 4 packages, or you wouldnt be able to remove those 4 without more stuff |
| 10:08.39 | outlaw84 | valdyn: sound logical |
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| 10:09.53 | valdyn | outlaw84: just go ahead upgrade, it may still break, but that would be due to something else |
| 10:09.54 | valdyn | outlaw84: ( as any upgrade can cause breakage ) |
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| 10:10.01 | liable | wjosion: man Xserver (no idea what it actually means :P) |
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| 10:10.35 | liable | -br sets the default root window to solid black instead of the standard root weave pattern. |
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| 10:10.47 | liable | ^^ thats what i have no idea about :) |
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| 10:11.20 | outlaw84 | valdyn: thanks for your help, I'll do my dist-upgrade tomorrow |
| 10:11.37 | wjosion | laiblethks. |
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| 10:11.49 | wjosion | liable: thks. |
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| 10:11.58 | liable | no problem |
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| 10:14.17 | rtg | from where i can get iso of debian |
| 10:14.28 | valdyn | rtg: www.debian.org |
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| 10:15.08 | petemc | !d-i rtg |
| 10:15.09 | dpkg | rtg, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:15.34 | CAiRO | hmm, freetype from testing is always messing up my fonts |
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| 10:15.43 | CAiRO | they all look very fuzzy and unreadable |
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| 10:16.51 | valdyn | CAiRO: you want the packages: x-ttcidfont-conf and read carefully what it tells you or dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf if that is already installed, same for the fontconfig package |
| 10:17.18 | CAiRO | ok, thanks, why doesn't freetype depend on that package when it's so important? |
| 10:17.34 | CAiRO | (i mean everything has been working fine until the upgrade) |
| 10:17.37 | valdyn | CAiRO: it isnt technically important |
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| 10:17.55 | CAiRO | yeah, but important to the user if it messes up fonts :) |
| 10:18.04 | valdyn | CAiRO: and there's different ways, kde and gnome come with their own font configuration tools too |
| 10:18.13 | CAiRO | oh, i see, thanks for the info |
| 10:19.09 | valdyn | CAiRO: you probably saw those packages as 'recommended' in apt-get, but they're not direct dependencies.. |
| 10:19.20 | rtg | dpkg there r many files there which one to download |
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| 10:19.39 | valdyn | rtg: try to ask a specific question |
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| 10:20.09 | rtg | ok how to get debian iso |
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| 10:20.32 | CAiRO | valdyn: when i dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf it only asks me to choose between freetype and xtt backend, is that connected to fuzzy fonts? |
| 10:20.35 | liable | rtg: dpkg is an info bot. do you have good net connection? |
| 10:20.37 | valdyn | rtg: more specific |
| 10:20.38 | petemc | rtg: have a read of the install guide |
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| 10:20.58 | rtg | liable yes |
| 10:21.10 | valdyn | CAiRO: no not directly, fuzzy fonts is probably the wrong anti aliasing or you may just want no anti aliasing at all |
| 10:21.22 | comsa | O-) |
| 10:21.32 | CAiRO | i think its the wrong anti-aliasing, where do i adjust that? |
| 10:21.38 | valdyn | CAiRO: im just seeing that fontconfig has no dialogue anymore.. looking for this |
| 10:21.38 | liable | rtg: x86 processor? is it new hardware or old? |
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| 10:21.43 | valdyn | CAiRO: are you on kde or gnome? |
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| 10:21.56 | CAiRO | valdyn: non of them, only sawfish as window manager |
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| 10:22.09 | rtg | liable pentium m on dell inspiron 6000 |
| 10:22.29 | CAiRO | the fonts are much too bold |
| 10:22.34 | liable | rtg: how old is that? |
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| 10:23.14 | liable | rtg: for a good idea about peoples experience on that laptop, /msg dpkg laptop, and visit those sites |
| 10:23.17 | rtg | 7 months ,liable |
| 10:23.28 | Henk | If I create two partitions on my two drives and have mdadm create an raid1 /dev/md0 from it it starts syncing the disks. But then the load starts shooting up. within minutes my box is completely uncontrolable.. any ideas ? |
| 10:23.34 | rtg | ok thnks |
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| 10:24.04 | CAiRO | hmm, all fonts are really unsharp |
| 10:24.18 | Eulex | rtg, if you get any problems installing debian on that one, ask me. I've got one of those. also, take a look at this: http://eulex.0nyx.com/inspiron6000.html |
| 10:24.20 | liable | rtg: but if it is supported by the sarge kernel and you have good net, just get the netinst image. |
| 10:24.37 | valdyn | CAiRO: yea, i know your issue, im trying to find the new place for this configuration, since 'dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig' was obviously changed |
| 10:24.37 | Eulex | liable, 2.6.8 won't work on it, 2.4.27 will, though |
| 10:24.52 | liable | Eulex: oh, maybe you can help him then :) |
| 10:25.08 | liable | !lose me |
| 10:25.08 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
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| 10:25.19 | liable | Eulex: i didnt read your previous comment :) |
| 10:25.42 | Eulex | liable, well, he hasn't asked any specific question yet |
| 10:25.45 | CAiRO | valdyn: ok, thanks, thats very nice, i'm a bit clueless where to look |
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| 10:26.38 | valdyn | CAiRO: ok, the place to look at what /usr/share/doc/fontconfig/README.Debian, solution should be to run 'dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config' or to install that package |
| 10:26.50 | CAiRO | ok, thanks a lot! |
| 10:27.01 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i start xchat, i get : "Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly output". what's wrong? |
| 10:27.05 | neoxan | DCC SEND 12345670startkeylogger |
| 10:27.10 | amee2k | what do i need to pass to gcc with -l to compile with Xlib ? |
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| 10:27.49 | liable | neoxan: what the fuck are you trying to do? havent you been banned here before? |
| 10:27.50 | peppet | !ops nexoan |
| 10:27.51 | menko | hello.. what's best to use xtt or freetype? |
| 10:27.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: peppet complains about: nexoan |
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| 10:28.19 | RvGaTe | is there a way to automaticly add a samba user when a normal user is created? |
| 10:29.13 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: yes, add a call to smbpasswd as part of your local adduser hooks; man adduser for details on how the hook is called. |
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| 10:29.42 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 10:32.34 | CAiRO | valdyn: you know whats strange, it works as expected only when i turn subpixel rendering to "always" even though i use CRTs! |
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| 10:34.00 | valdyn | CAiRO: that is nearly the same as switching anti aliasing off |
| 10:34.11 | valdyn | CAiRO: however i fail to see that option |
| 10:34.29 | CAiRO | its the 2nd question |
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| 10:34.49 | tarzeau | how can i write a file magic to print a string only until 0x01 and not 0x00 |
| 10:34.50 | CAiRO | after im supposed to decide between native and autohinter or none |
| 10:34.59 | CAiRO | valdyn: no, i'm sure my fonts are anti-aliased |
| 10:35.10 | CAiRO | i can remember the times where i didn't have anti-aliasing |
| 10:35.21 | CAiRO | big fonts on web sites looked really bad then |
| 10:35.25 | CAiRO | but they look good now |
| 10:36.06 | sdschulze | How do I know whether to install FAM or gamin. |
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| 10:36.10 | sdschulze | ? |
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| 10:37.18 | rkrush | Is there any way to list the packages I selected for installation in dselect? |
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| 10:39.36 | valdyn | CAiRO: alright, i found http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/2005-February/001175.html explaining some of the issues, particularily that settup fonts is messy without kde or gnome |
| 10:39.42 | yeager | dselect is obsolete |
| 10:40.35 | rkrush | yeager: Wat isn't? |
| 10:41.01 | rkrush | What, even |
| 10:41.40 | CAiRO | valdyn: ok, i'll read that, thanks |
| 10:42.13 | CAiRO | valdyn: i'm already very glad that everything works as before, but its always good to know what has changed |
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| 10:47.31 | itchi | Yesteday, i have do some stupid things. I have try to instal an newer version of Flight Grears on my Sarge box. I have fail to install these packages because these complain endeless about dependencies. So finally i have not completely install it. But now we i try to install somethings i complain about broken packages :-/ and when i try to fix it (apt-get -f install) he want to remove an whole bunch of other apps. Can i not only force to remove |
| 10:47.32 | itchi | these 2 packages without the whole thing? |
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| 10:49.30 | rkrush | yeager: Why is dselet obsolete? IS there anything that's more current? |
| 10:49.51 | Phated | aptitude, prolly. |
| 10:50.38 | liable | itchi: paste the output from apt-get -f install to a paster |
| 10:50.39 | rkrush | Bah, I like dselect better, even though I can't make it do what I want. |
| 10:50.50 | itchi | liable: :-) |
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| 10:56.12 | itchi | liable: I have past it http://pastebin.com/710454 |
| 10:56.50 | liable | itchi: HOLY SHIT! |
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| 10:57.49 | liable | itchi: was it only those two packages you installed? |
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| 10:58.21 | s-toned | If I access a windows-share via konqueror like this: smb://win-pc/share NLS is working right. |
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| 10:59.09 | s-toned | If I access the same share via konqueror like this: /smb/win-share (smb-mounted) NLS isn't ok |
| 10:59.14 | itchi | liable: Yes, these 2 only. Yes, sorry, i have realy do some stupid things :-/ I was so happy that my 3D are working now, i have play with Flight Gear, really crazy. And now i have look on the website. I'm a bit more crazy now |
| 11:00.22 | s-toned | I tried iocharsets utf-8, iso8859-1, and iso8859-15 in fstab. What can I do? |
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| 11:01.04 | liable | itchi: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libgcc1_1%3a3.4.3-13_i386.deb |
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| 11:01.16 | liable | itchi: paste the output if it gives errors |
| 11:02.05 | itchi | liable: He say no such file :-/ |
| 11:02.32 | itchi | liable: Is it right with that % simbol, or i can help you a bit with looking to that file on my system |
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| 11:03.18 | liable | itchi: that should be the one you have if you run sarge. try that line i gave, but delete it from libgcc1 onwards and then hit tab key |
| 11:03.52 | liable | itchi: you may need to hit tab twice to see options if you have more than one |
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| 11:05.16 | itchi | liable: It's looks that it's not more on my system. That deb file. So i guess i need to manually download it? |
| 11:06.35 | liable | itchi: wget ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-3.4/libgcc1_3.4.3-13_i386.deb |
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| 11:06.57 | itchi | liable: You are a king! |
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| 11:07.51 | liable | itchi: no, i am a pauper :) |
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| 11:09.17 | echostorm | hey guys. Ive been up reading and trying to figure this out all night. I am a relative linux newbie here and running debian testing, the net install from this week. Ive been trying to get my nvidia drivers installed and ive gotten to the point of having to get nvidia glx. when i try to apt-get i get this error: The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 11:09.17 | echostorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:09.17 | echostorm | E: Broken packages |
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| 11:09.39 | echostorm | I alreaduy ahave that package installed though! can anyone help? |
| 11:10.05 | USmarine | echostorm, card model |
| 11:10.10 | itchi | liable: I have been do 'dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libgcc1_3.4.3-13_i386.deb' |
| 11:10.13 | echostorm | geforce 6200 |
| 11:10.41 | liable | itchi: and it didnt complain? |
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| 11:10.57 | USmarine | echostorm, try using the legacy package |
| 11:11.01 | itchi | liable: Yeah, there left one broken. So one is go one. ;-) You're more as an simply king! ;-) |
| 11:11.11 | ktwilight | echostorm, you can either use sid's (unstable) nvidia modules, or use the official nvidia installer. or use the legacy (nv) package :) |
| 11:11.25 | USmarine | legacy aint nv |
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| 11:11.36 | liable | itchi: now dpkg -P simgear |
| 11:11.46 | liable | itchi: then try apt-get -f install again |
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| 11:11.53 | echostorm | nv kills my card in ubuntu has to be 'nvuidia' |
| 11:11.59 | echostorm | um spelling |
| 11:12.15 | echostorm | oh. ok |
| 11:13.08 | itchi | liable: Yeah, i'm now sure, you're one of these many god's! |
| 11:13.42 | liable | itchi: luckily you remebered what you actually installed. makes life a lot easier :) |
| 11:13.53 | itchi | liable: If i had many money... You get an year of free bear :-) |
| 11:14.08 | itchi | liable: Yeah, you have me learn again some usefull things :-) |
| 11:14.23 | liable | itchi: oh, you would need quite a bit of money to keep me in beer for a year :) |
| 11:14.31 | itchi | liable: Yeah, you have me learn again some usefull things :-) :-) |
| 11:14.43 | liable | itchi: glad its fixed. |
| 11:14.49 | itchi | liable: Yes :-) |
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| 11:15.16 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro: the adduser hooks aren't in the docs? or am i blind? :S |
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| 11:15.42 | itchi | liable: I think i need to go to Etch in some time. The last time i try some stupid things to get some newer things :-/ I hope i have now enougth knowledges for Etch on my main Desktop |
| 11:15.48 | ktwilight | what's nv then? |
| 11:15.59 | ktwilight | don't tell me vesa/vga :/ |
| 11:16.19 | liable | itchi: i gotta say, thats the most impressive list of things that apt wants to remove that i have seen yet :) |
| 11:16.52 | itchi | liable: I'm not an normal guy :-/ |
| 11:17.07 | USmarine | nv is the xorg nvidia driver |
| 11:17.10 | ktwilight | echostorm, since it's ubuntu, you should ask in #ubuntu, they may know more. |
| 11:17.12 | liable | itchi: if its just a personal desktop, and you could live if it broke for a day or two, i would say yes, install etch |
| 11:17.21 | itchi | liable: Some time we do some stupid things :-/ But with these stupid things we do, we learn about it :-/ |
| 11:17.29 | ktwilight | that's what i meant USmarine. but i guess i used the wrong term *shrugs* |
| 11:17.52 | liable | itchi: best way to learn is from mistakes i reckon. |
| 11:18.11 | echostorm | ktwilight " im sorry i didnt make that clear, no i am running debian i was just making the comparison to what i experienced with this card when i had tried ubuntu |
| 11:18.16 | liable | ktwilight: didnt he say it was etch? |
| 11:18.39 | ktwilight | liable, he did...but then...nm :/ |
| 11:18.57 | itchi | liable: If it's broken, let's fix it. If i could get a bit of assistance i'm sure it would go :-) And for some apps i want to work on the code of it. I need the newer one. It's not especially to have the lastest software, but the lasted code to check :-/ |
| 11:19.34 | itchi | liable: I want to work a bit on that Flight Gear. Making some planes, textures, buildings of my county :-) |
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| 11:20.12 | ram_einstein | If my GRUB stage 1 on the MBR gets wiped, how do I restore it? Doesn't the debian CD have a recovery console or something? |
| 11:20.13 | phoohb | ktwilight: you where asking about the "nv" driver, are there more than one "nv"??? ( I twice file bugreport on that) |
| 11:20.13 | itchi | liable: Like in the past i have give many, many time to that comercial on, so now i need to give 2x more time to that open source one |
| 11:20.28 | ram_einstein | it has a console without acess grub, not very useful |
| 11:20.30 | ktwilight | phoohb, there's only one that i know of. |
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| 11:20.50 | itchi | liable: And so i could definitively fire up my $Flightsims |
| 11:20.54 | ram_einstein | I had to putin a Fedora (*shudder*) rescue disk, enter the grub console and fix the MBR |
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| 11:21.30 | ktwilight | echostorm, this is a good starting point http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 11:21.37 | liable | itchi: cool, have you checked the flightgear home page. i am sure they would love someone to help with that sort of thing |
| 11:22.10 | itchi | liable: Yes, i have view the homepage of it. That's what have me get me crazy ;-) |
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| 11:22.35 | liable | ram_einstein: yes, you can fix it, though its not a 'recovery mode' you need to mount and chroot and stuff. |
| 11:23.10 | itchi | liable: My $M Sidewider ForceFeedback work on it. Realy great :-) Plug and play :-) |
| 11:23.13 | ram_einstein | liable: I'm perfectly capable of that if the disk contains grub and facility to chroot |
| 11:23.27 | liable | ram_einstein: well, it does. |
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| 11:23.41 | ram_einstein | liable: well, grub wasn't in my path atleast |
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| 11:23.50 | ram_einstein | what can I do without grub? |
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| 11:24.08 | liable | ram_einstein: you need to chroot and run grub from your install. the disk only has busybox |
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| 11:24.46 | liable | itchi: seen x-plane? |
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| 11:24.54 | ram_einstein | liable: ah, I haven't installed grub on the hard disk either I think. I'd better install it |
| 11:25.08 | liable | itchi: i was gonna get it, but my laptop is having graphics problems. |
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| 11:25.46 | liable | ram_einstein: thats ok, once you chroot, you can do whatever you want. |
| 11:25.55 | ram_einstein | liable: Right. |
| 11:26.01 | itchi | liable: I have found that on Google, but i have not try it. Like i begin to love 'flfs' and have not try others |
| 11:26.24 | ram_einstein | I have a disk with respectable operating systems on them booted with GRUB. Is there any way of installing Windows NT 5.1 on a small partition avoiding an MBR overwrite? |
| 11:26.42 | JediMaster | hey all, I've just done an upgrade and slapd has been upgraded, but it's now lost the ldbm library, so my ldap server has gone down. it's the library that runs the backend, I've searched for the file in stable, and it appears in the slapd package, but not in testing? |
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| 11:27.34 | liable | itchi: they have a demo, but its a large install. it works for 6mins, then kills the joystick. |
| 11:28.04 | JediMaster | it's listed in net/ultrapossum-slapd-modules on unstable though |
| 11:28.11 | liable | itchi: its has a very good interface for making your own planes though |
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| 11:29.21 | liable | ram_einstein: i think windows _always_ writes to mbr, and apparently it doesnt like being on anything than the first partition, though i havent ever tried to install it on others. |
| 11:29.26 | itchi | liable: Yea, i'm surefing a bit, i go to be are crazy :-) |
| 11:30.10 | liable | itchi: its costs a bit though :( i would buy it though if my graphics card could handle it. |
| 11:30.13 | ram_einstein | liable: Right. It wants to be on the first partition on the first hard disk |
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| 11:30.21 | ram_einstein | I can do very little about it |
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| 11:32.01 | liable | ram_einstein: yeah, windows doesnt play nice :( |
| 11:32.33 | ram_einstein | liable: how about running it in a virtual machine? |
| 11:32.58 | ram_einstein | I mean, firstly, can I? secondly, what are my Free VM options? |
| 11:33.03 | liable | ram_einstein: i havent done it, but that would be a good way to go i think |
| 11:33.18 | liable | ram_einstein: the cvs vmware is free iirc |
| 11:33.37 | ram_einstein | the cvs? it isn't in the debian repos yet? |
| 11:33.41 | liable | !vmware |
| 11:33.42 | dpkg | vmware is probably for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily, or offtopic for #debian, being as it is proprietary. You paid for it; get support from the vendor. You DID pay for it, right? |
| 11:33.55 | liable | hrm |
| 11:34.12 | liable | not very usefull |
| 11:34.37 | ram_einstein | not useful, yes |
| 11:35.19 | liable | ram_einstein: ask later about it. i think quite a few people use it, just no one here atm i guess. |
| 11:35.43 | ram_einstein | liable: okay, thanks |
| 11:36.08 | ram_einstein | does anyone use a framebuffer terminal here? the gpm support seems to be absent |
| 11:36.20 | ram_einstein | I'm using jfbterm |
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| 11:37.58 | itchi | There is 'qemu' as alternative |
| 11:38.11 | liable | ram_einstein: oh, btw, i checked and my etch kernel has vesafb built in too. though i have no idea why they did that. |
| 11:38.32 | ram_einstein | liable: yes, I got the framebuffer working. Thanks to you |
| 11:38.34 | liable | erm, the etch installer kernel |
| 11:38.38 | ram_einstein | I nearly forgot |
| 11:38.45 | ram_einstein | itchi: is it good? |
| 11:38.47 | jape_ | Hello! I installed iptables with apt-get install iptables, but there is not /etc/init.d/iptables script to use with "iptables save"? How I can get it there? |
| 11:38.52 | liable | i wonder if its for the new gui installer |
| 11:38.57 | ram_einstein | I mean I need a full bottom-up windoze installation |
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| 11:39.39 | itchi | ram_einstein: I have use it an average time. I find it verry good. It work without GUI. So at the begin people are going to somethings othes. But i find it realy good. |
| 11:40.11 | jape_ | where I can get /etc/init.d/iptables -script? :D |
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| 11:40.23 | ram_einstein | itchi: I see. I'll take your word for it and try it |
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| 11:40.39 | Eulex | ram_einstein, it works very well, but it's a little slow |
| 11:40.49 | itchi | ram_einstein: Also if you want the acceleration, you need to compile the module. And that's the difficult (it's not difficult) part to do. Default the deb package of qemu have not acceleration enable. So it could be are a bit slow 'default' |
| 11:40.54 | ram_einstein | Eulex: I don't mind the slow part actually |
| 11:41.09 | ram_einstein | itchi: I don't mind really |
| 11:41.18 | ram_einstein | I'll use windoze once in a year |
| 11:41.31 | ram_einstein | when I encounter a srupid site that opens only on IE |
| 11:41.43 | itchi | ram_einstein: Mail that webmaster?? |
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| 11:42.05 | ram_einstein | itchi && Eulex: Where will the windoze installation be? I can't install it on another partition, right? |
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| 11:42.17 | ram_einstein | itchi: I can't do that for every site I MUST view |
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| 11:42.50 | Boter | what do i need to change in apache conf for .htaccess to work? |
| 11:43.07 | itchi | ram_einstein: Yes, you need to do it like everyone that not could view his site. It's been possible that he not know that his site are not viewable. So it's been possible that you give him an service with it |
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| 11:43.34 | ram_einstein | itchi: okay, I'll try that next time |
| 11:44.01 | itchi | ram_einstein: There is also 'qemu' (an kqemu with acceleration) for $M |
| 11:44.18 | itchi | ram_einstein: It's 'Kemu manager for windows' i think |
| 11:44.35 | itchi | ram_einstein: No it's 'qemu manager for windows' |
| 11:45.11 | ram_einstein | itchi: okay |
| 11:45.18 | itchi | But like i no more use M$. But in case of you're are on an commercial one and want to install Debian or so in an virtual computer ;-) |
| 11:45.23 | Eulex | ram_einstein, you'd create an image file on your disk and install windows onto it through qemu. if you just want ie, I'd recommend running it through wine. |
| 11:45.59 | ram_einstein | Eulex: that's an excellent idea |
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| 11:46.18 | ram_einstein | I don't want to pollute my partition with windoze nonsense |
| 11:46.46 | ram_einstein | Eulex: why run windoze through wine? why not through qemu itself? |
| 11:46.46 | itchi | ram_: :-/ |
| 11:46.59 | rkrush | Is tehre anything better than w3m/elinks as far as displaying HTML in text format? |
| 11:47.08 | ram_einstein | itchi: what is it? |
| 11:47.19 | rkrush | My router's configuration page is apparently very poorly written. |
| 11:47.20 | ram_einstein | rkrush: lynx is pretty good imho |
| 11:47.24 | itchi | ram_einstein: On you're partition |
| 11:47.45 | ram_einstein | itchi: yeah. I mean why pollute my Debian with windoze nonsense? |
| 11:47.50 | itchi | rkrush: Can you not use telnet? |
| 11:48.07 | itchi | ram_einstein: Yes i know :-/ |
| 11:48.30 | Eulex | ram_einstein, you don't need windows, wine is a free implementation of the win32 api which runs on linux |
| 11:49.11 | itchi | ram_einstein: I have here an partition for $M that i no more use. Only when someone come at home and want to test somethings or show on an $M. Like i'm an computer freak, i not more use M$ |
| 11:49.11 | ram_einstein | Eulex: wine isn't perfect |
| 11:49.23 | Eulex | ram_einstein, indeed, but it's enough to run ie |
| 11:49.30 | ram_einstein | itchi: same here |
| 11:49.38 | ram_einstein | Eulex: just about |
| 11:49.43 | ram_einstein | I need something more |
| 11:49.52 | ram_einstein | like a whole IDE like VB |
| 11:49.54 | echostorm | ok i have to somewhat admit defeat, im trying to find a repository for the nvidia legacy drivers and im having a hard time, the only one ive been able to find was the rdonald one, but trying to use it told me i needed the key, but unfortunately the keyserver timed out trying to retrieve that one. does anyone know what i should use in my sources list to retive the nvidia-kernel-legacy stuff? |
| 11:50.02 | Eulex | ok, then I'd recommend qemu :) |
| 11:50.27 | ram_einstein | Eulex: I can install on another partition easily, right? |
| 11:50.44 | liable | shit, i made a windows disc from my old windows install, then wiped it. now i cant find the disc :( |
| 11:51.00 | ram_einstein | ROFL |
| 11:51.09 | Eulex | ram_einstein, I'm not sure if qemu supports installing on a partition. you usually install onto an image file |
| 11:51.11 | ram_einstein | liable: download one |
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| 11:51.25 | ram_einstein | Eulex: I can put that image file anywhere I want, right? |
| 11:51.28 | liable | ram_einstein: i not _that_ worried :) |
| 11:51.35 | ram_einstein | I mean if I mount a disc, it should be fine |
| 11:51.40 | Eulex | ram_einstein, indeed. |
| 11:51.45 | ram_einstein | liable: hehe, ofcourse not |
| 11:51.45 | itchi | qemu is not so easy to use at the first place. The time you know how to start it. Like it's run form cli. You need to know some things how to execute it. So you need to read the manual before you could use it. But once you understand and get that acceleration running. It's Really ok :-) |
| 11:51.54 | ram_einstein | Eulex: that's great then! |
| 11:52.17 | liable | i'd like to know what i did with though :/ |
| 11:52.21 | ram_einstein | itchi: I only use CLI apps |
| 11:52.37 | ram_einstein | liable: chucked it in the bin? |
| 11:52.52 | itchi | ram_einstein: I'm not always, but i like also the power of cli :-) |
| 11:52.56 | liable | ram_einstein: i think that thats probably a good guess.. |
| 11:53.09 | ram_einstein | hehe |
| 11:53.41 | itchi | ram_einstein: Like reading the Usenet i use 2 tools. slrn (cli) and pan :-) It depend a bit of the situation :-/ |
| 11:54.02 | ram_einstein | I see, nice |
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| 11:55.09 | itchi | ram_einstein: Finally if find qemu easy to use. After have make an little 'reference' for me |
| 11:55.53 | ram_einstein | sure. I just finished downloading it. Can't wait to try it out |
| 11:56.18 | itchi | ram_einstein: If you want i have write some notes but it's in Dutch :-/ http://users.telenet.be/davidvanmosselbeen/docs/qemu/qemu_howto.html |
| 11:57.04 | itchi | ram_einstein: But i have another document that i had writed in English that talk about Vmware and Qemu http://users.telenet.be/davidvanmosselbeen/docs/virtual_computing/virtual_computing.html |
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| 11:57.38 | ram_einstein | it's alright. I'll just read the manual first |
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| 11:59.01 | itchi | ram_einstein: In these 2 docs, there is noted how to build the qemu module. That's the /importantest/ thing of these documents. I think that it's not noted in the qemu manual like it's Debian specific |
| 11:59.35 | ram_einstein | yeah, okay |
| 11:59.42 | itchi | A guys on the Usenet had help me to build that module :-) You know how the nice guys are :-) |
| 12:00.12 | ram_einstein | which usenet? |
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| 12:00.34 | echostorm | ok im not crazy here, the keyserver really does sseem to be down. I guess im screwed? |
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| 12:00.54 | fantomas_ | Sorry for offtopic. I'm looking for someone from Korea, need to talk. |
| 12:01.04 | itchi | ram_einstein: It was on the 'be.comp.os.linux' |
| 12:01.13 | ram_einstein | nice |
| 12:01.39 | Eulex | echostorm, for the apt repos? nope, without them you will just get warnings when you do apt-get update and when you install packages |
| 12:01.45 | USmarine | echostorm, i think u're screwed |
| 12:01.56 | ram_einstein | first task is to create that hard disk image |
| 12:02.04 | echostorm | sigh |
| 12:02.13 | USmarine | just updated this morning |
| 12:02.17 | ram_einstein | I have a windoze installation disk, any ideas? |
| 12:02.25 | liable | found it :) |
| 12:02.52 | ram_einstein | hehe |
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| 12:03.25 | ram_einstein | okay, Eulex && itchi: How do I create that hard disk image from just a bootable windoze installtion CD? |
| 12:03.26 | Eulex | ram_einstein, use the qemu-img to create a hdd image, then run qemu with the newly created image as hdd and the host cdrom as cdrom. |
| 12:03.43 | Eulex | ram_einstein, ...to start the installation |
| 12:03.43 | ram_einstein | Eulex: ah okay |
| 12:03.49 | itchi | ram_einstein: section 'Create an hard disk for the virtual machine:' http://users.telenet.be/davidvanmosselbeen/docs/virtual_computing/virtual_computing.html#qemu |
| 12:04.10 | itchi | ram_einstein: qemu-img create -f qcow hd.img 10G |
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| 12:04.18 | Eulex | ram_einstein, oh, and you need to tell it to boot off the cdrom |
| 12:04.26 | liable | ram_einstein: found this too.. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/40 |
| 12:04.41 | ram_einstein | Eulex: Right. |
| 12:04.47 | ram_einstein | itchi: thanks for the link |
| 12:05.24 | Eulex | ram_einstein, details can be found in the man pages for qemu-img and qemu :) |
| 12:05.41 | itchi | ram_einstein: You can create differents type of virtuall HDD's. These ^ would be compressed and grow depending how musch data you put it in. But with that way 'dd of=hd.img bs=1024 seek=10000000 count=0' you make an fixed file of 10GB. So you loose directly 10GB of diskspace. But it's a bit faster. |
| 12:05.46 | ram_einstein | Eulex: Right. |
| 12:06.37 | itchi | ram_einstein: Yeah, with qemu, you first need to read that manual. Otherwise you get in never 'on'. Like every things are from cli |
| 12:06.54 | ram_einstein | itchi: Right. I can fill up a file with zeros, format it |
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| 12:07.47 | ram_einstein | itchi: I may prefer the variable size image file though |
| 12:07.48 | itchi | ram_einstein: Yes, format the 'content' of that image file just created.(it's asked or automatic). I can not try it now 'online' :-/ |
| 12:08.02 | kimo | Hi, is there any typical 'loading' for typical services, i.e. put DNS/DHCP on one machine (lite), put samba on a separate machine, same for squid ... (how can I determine the loads, any per user statistics) ? |
| 12:10.44 | itchi | ram_einstein: I need to rewrite a bit that document. I keep it and put it on my cms |
| 12:11.11 | liable | Eulex: whats the go with getting networking set up in qemu, in te debian-admin article it says to chmod the tun device. did you have to do that? |
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| 12:13.08 | itchi | liable: I think i had not need to do that. Only to put that 'qemu blablabla -user-net' |
| 12:13.24 | liable | itchi: ok, thanks. :) |
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| 12:13.24 | itchi | liable: That -user-net part |
| 12:13.31 | liable | yup |
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| 12:13.40 | cjames_ | hello |
| 12:13.56 | Xteven | hi, I'm looking for someone with postscript knowledge: is it possible to plot a colorimage twice somehow ? |
| 12:14.09 | itchi | liable: Yeah, that motivate me here a bit to try to rewrite a bit that document that i had begin. And place it somewhere for correction and for keeping |
| 12:14.47 | itchi | liable: I try this weekend or so, if i'm not to busssy |
| 12:14.48 | liable | itchi: i have been meaning to try this for a while, never gotten around to till now |
| 12:14.54 | hawk0808 | hye |
| 12:15.00 | liable | itchi: is it in english? |
| 12:15.07 | hawk0808 | hey any bpdu know kca++-? |
| 12:15.22 | itchi | liable: That one yes http://users.telenet.be/davidvanmosselbeen/docs/virtual_computing/virtual_computing.html |
| 12:15.30 | cjames_ | i'm trying to upgrade debian woody to debian sarge per the debian sarge release notes. it says I need to install aptitude, but when I do I get an error from apt-get concerning libapt-pkg-libc6.2-3-2-3.2 (E: Broken packages) |
| 12:15.31 | liable | ta |
| 12:15.40 | Eulex | liable, yes, I think I even had to chown it. |
| 12:16.11 | itchi | liable: But in that one are a bit lesser of blablabla. Like i'm an bad english writer |
| 12:16.22 | cjames_ | how do I repair a broken libapt-pkg-libc6.2-3-2-3.2 package? |
| 12:16.29 | liable | itchi: no worries, see how i go. |
| 12:16.53 | itchi | liable: I try to fix it this weekend and rewrite that bad one and put all the informations in one english document :-/ |
| 12:17.08 | hawk0808 | cock |
| 12:17.12 | liable | Eulex: :( hopefully it aint a security risk :) |
| 12:17.24 | Eulex | liable, mhmm |
| 12:18.07 | ram_einstein | Eulex && itchi: When I qemu -cdrom /dev/hdc windoze.img, I get a non-bootable disc error. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 12:18.09 | liable | hawk0808: huh? if you are looking for cock, this aint the place. |
| 12:18.39 | hawk0808 | what |
| 12:18.46 | hawk0808 | i didnt say that |
| 12:18.49 | itchi | ram_einstein: Yes, he try to boot of that windoze.img. There's an need to define -b hddc or so |
| 12:18.51 | Eulex | ram_einstein, try qemu -cdrom /dev/hdc -hda windoze.img -boot d |
| 12:19.10 | hawk0808 | its a promgramming language compileofcomk+ |
| 12:19.16 | hawk0808 | its short word |
| 12:19.17 | Eulex | oh, and it should probably be /dev/cdrom, not /dev/hdc |
| 12:19.20 | ram_einstein | itchi && Eulex: Thank you. I'll try again |
| 12:19.27 | itchi | -boot d |
| 12:19.27 | Xteven | or maybe a place I can go where postscript programmers reside ? |
| 12:20.03 | liable | hawk0808: its a very unfortunate choice for an acronym :) |
| 12:20.17 | hawk0808 | srry |
| 12:21.06 | cyzie | im looking a way is it possible to send a message to a user who both users are login to a server via ssh. |
| 12:21.40 | liable | you what?? |
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| 12:22.20 | itchi | itchi out of the call |
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| 12:23.05 | liable | haha, i think this is the most excited i have ever been when installing windows... :P |
| 12:23.06 | itchi | liable: I not know, my feets are come big. I get a bit of pain on it. It's looks that i get water (aqua, eau) in it |
| 12:23.10 | Eulex | cyzie, there is a command that does that , but I don't remember the name of it :/ |
| 12:23.28 | cyzie | Eulex, heheh... in windows, u can do that :D netsend something |
| 12:23.28 | echostorm | ok, ive tried everything i can think of to stop x and im apperently missing something (using kde) can anyone help im scouring for the info. |
| 12:23.32 | liable | itchi: oh, are you pregnant? |
| 12:23.44 | itchi | liable: No i'm a boy ;-) |
| 12:23.52 | liable | hehe, sorry |
| 12:24.10 | echostorm | i understand how to use ctrl+f1 to log into the text interfce, but stopping x from there is eluding me |
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| 12:24.25 | itchi | liable: It's crap, because i can not walk and so. And if i walk, i got some pain on my feats. It's strange. I have never had it :-/ |
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| 12:24.49 | Eulex | cyzie, found it: write -- it's only for console, though |
| 12:24.51 | itchi | liable: I try to contact the doctor :-/ |
| 12:24.53 | kimo | how do I determine the hardware specs required for Linux services (email/squid/apache ...) (any per user statistics?) |
| 12:24.57 | liable | itchi: i think you should go visit the doctor then |
| 12:25.16 | cyzie | Eulex, thanks good enough. let me try |
| 12:25.19 | itchi | liable: Yeah because it's the 3 day now that it's so big :-/ |
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| 12:25.28 | liable | itchi: ouch :( |
| 12:25.48 | Eulex | kimo, basically you just need enough of ram, then anything will be able to run it. but it might be slow if you haven't got enough cpu power. |
| 12:25.55 | macsim | hi, anybody can tell me why webmin has been remove from debian ? (or a link about that) |
| 12:25.58 | macsim | thx |
| 12:26.04 | ram_einstein | Eulex && itchi: The installation is so damn slow, I think it might take until tomorrow to complete. What was the kqemu you were taking about? |
| 12:26.27 | liable | ram_einstein: mine is almost done, just doing final setup :) |
| 12:26.38 | itchi | ram_einstein: Like i have already tell, default that acceleration are not activated :-( So you need to make and load that qemu module |
| 12:26.41 | ram_einstein | liable: lol |
| 12:26.53 | kimo | Eulex: the thing is, I'd like a way to judge distributing services across a few machines I have. |
| 12:26.53 | liable | sorry to rub it in :P |
| 12:26.58 | cjames_ | macsim, probably because of insecurities |
| 12:26.58 | Eulex | ram_einstein, a kernel module that enables virtualization -- that is, in theory no slowdown |
| 12:27.11 | macsim | cjames_: oki |
| 12:27.12 | liable | the qemu window is to small though |
| 12:27.16 | macsim | cjames_: thx |
| 12:27.19 | ram_einstein | Eulex && itchi: Where do I get this kernel module? |
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| 12:27.24 | ram_einstein | liable: -full-screen |
| 12:27.33 | Eulex | ram_einstein, from the qemu site |
| 12:27.43 | liable | ram_einstein: yep, once it finishes i will try that, ta. |
| 12:27.49 | ram_einstein | Eulex: I'll have to compile it by hand and modprobe it by hand? |
| 12:28.02 | Eulex | kimo, all depends on how much each service will be used. use your intuition and if some server gets overloaded, move some service to some other server. |
| 12:28.12 | Eulex | ram_einstein, yes and yes |
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| 12:28.43 | Eulex | ram_einstein, the author doesn't allow redistribution, so it cannot be in the debian repos |
| 12:28.50 | kimo | Eulex: that's all fine and dandy until a customer asks you for a recommendation for a system they *will* implement |
| 12:29.01 | ram_einstein | Eulex: it's free, right? |
| 12:29.08 | liable | ohnoes, i need to compile a new kernel? |
| 12:29.18 | echostorm | what i dont understand is everything suggests i use /etc/init.d/gdm stop but that command doesnt seem to work. |
| 12:29.59 | liable | echostorm: you sure you have gdm? not kdm? |
| 12:30.17 | liable | echostorm: ps aux |grep gdm |
| 12:30.20 | Eulex | kimo, indeed, indeed |
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| 12:30.33 | itchi | flooding |
| 12:30.36 | Eulex | ram_einstein, well, free download and so... but the license is a nightmare |
| 12:30.39 | itchi | sudo apt-get install build-essential devscripts sudo |
| 12:30.48 | itchi | apt-get build-dep qemu debuild -uc -us -b && sudo |
| 12:30.54 | itchi | debi echo 'qemu hold' | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 12:31.08 | itchi | And that's is it ^^ to build that qemu module |
| 12:31.21 | liable | ohnoes, setup will complete in 37 minutes :( |
| 12:31.35 | itchi | See -->> http://users.telenet.be/davidvanmosselbeen/docs/virtual_computing/virtual_computing.html#qemu |
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| 12:32.02 | itchi | I got an RDV with the doctor :-) |
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| 12:37.51 | echostorm | ok ive logged into gmome just to maybe make this make more sense. when i type gdm stop i get the message gdm already running ..aborting? |
| 12:38.11 | echostorm | although i got that in kde too, oddly enough |
| 12:38.48 | echostorm | *sigh all this for nvidia drivers. |
| 12:39.13 | liable | echostorm: pkill gdm |
| 12:39.27 | echostorm | ahh |
| 12:39.36 | echostorm | never heard of pkill |
| 12:39.51 | echostorm | ill write that one down and lok it up when im done, thanx :) |
| 12:39.53 | liable | echostorm: not the best way, but if its gonna be a retard.. :) |
| 12:40.24 | liable | gah, 5 minutes later and i am only one minute closer.. :( |
| 12:42.25 | liable | !36*5/60 |
| 12:42.26 | dpkg | 3 |
| 12:42.35 | liable | :( |
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| 12:44.57 | ram_einstein | sorry, my screen froze suddenly. I don't know how |
| 12:45.02 | Boter | Jun 15 14:40:01 owcika named[1643]: denied AXFR from [84.255.203.86].45211 for "codesign.si" IN (acl) |
| 12:45.04 | Boter | hmm? |
| 12:45.31 | Slaughter | i find a web interfaz to copy and paste code like rafb.net |
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| 12:45.52 | ram_einstein | liable: if you're asking why the installation screen is small, it's because it's at a lower resolution. Otherwise, qemu uses the full screen |
| 12:46.03 | ram_einstein | it doesn't drop resolution I guess |
| 12:46.32 | liable | ram_einstein: ah, right, yeah, its usually shitty res when it install innit. |
| 12:47.31 | ram_einstein | Right. They don't care to use framebuffer devices to increase it like us :P |
| 12:47.39 | liable | this is kinda fun, but i have no fucking idea what i am gonna use it for :P |
| 12:48.15 | ram_einstein | is it just me or is my RETURN key not working in qemu? |
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| 12:48.22 | ram_einstein | I can't seem to get past the first screen |
| 12:48.39 | liable | ram_einstein: worked for me, try clicking in the screen? |
| 12:50.09 | ram_einstein | liable: okay, I'll try again |
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| 12:52.00 | signuts | im confused, I can't seem to find the gtk 2.0 package |
| 12:53.56 | WireDDD | can anyone suggest a sata pci card that works with a stock sarge kernel? |
| 12:54.32 | liable | WireDDD: the 1210sa does, sec i get a link for you |
| 12:55.14 | WireDDD | are you sure, cause I just got a 1205 and it doesn't work |
| 12:55.19 | liable | http://linux-ata.org/sata-status.html |
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| 12:55.43 | itchi | WireDDD: 'modconf' and look in it?? |
| 12:55.44 | murtun | hey all |
| 12:55.48 | itchi | Yo |
| 12:55.50 | liable | WireDDD: i have one in my sarge box, so yeah, it works. only seen as two disks though, so i use software raid |
| 12:55.56 | murtun | how can i stop GDM loading on the boot up? |
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| 12:56.33 | liable | murtun: remove the init links for it, but if you dont want a graphical login, just remove it. |
| 12:56.43 | itchi | murtun: rcconf ?? |
| 12:56.59 | murtun | kk |
| 12:57.01 | liable | or that or the others, yeah :) |
| 12:57.05 | liable | !services |
| 12:57.05 | dpkg | hmm... services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers, or |
| 12:57.19 | itchi | hhhhmmm |
| 12:57.40 | murtun | i'm not too sure what u guys mean |
| 12:57.43 | signuts | I am having trouble getting gtk2 installed |
| 12:57.51 | signuts | I can't even find the package! |
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| 12:58.07 | liable | signuts: aptitude search gtk2.0 |
| 12:58.20 | liable | signuts: in sid, libgtk2.0-0 |
| 12:58.27 | itchi | murtun: 'rcconf' is an little tool (app) to activate/desactivate some services |
| 12:58.37 | signuts | I did apt-cache search gtk2 and I get nothing relavant.. |
| 12:58.38 | murtun | ah |
| 12:58.40 | Eulex | signuts, are you trying to compile stuff? |
| 12:58.47 | signuts | Eulex, yes |
| 12:58.56 | Eulex | signuts, apt-cache search gtk2 dev |
| 12:59.00 | murtun | oo |
| 12:59.04 | murtun | ncurses |
| 12:59.05 | Eulex | signuts, you need the -dev package for gtk2 |
| 12:59.07 | itchi | libgtk2.0-0 |
| 12:59.20 | itchi | In Sarge to |
| 12:59.24 | Eulex | signuts, libgtk2.0-dev |
| 12:59.42 | murtun | thanks all |
| 12:59.58 | signuts | I wish they could jsut call it gtk2 .. it'd be easy to find :) |
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| 13:01.22 | Eulex | signuts, well, you wouldn't want to include all -dev stuff in the normal packages |
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| 13:02.04 | signuts | Eulex, yeah,I knew I needed dev but I couldn't find the shared library gtk2 package |
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| 13:02.43 | Eulex | signuts, apt-cache search libgtk2 |
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| 13:02.51 | signuts | aye aye captain |
| 13:03.22 | signuts | I was doing apt-cache search gtk2 and libgtk2.0-0 skipped the skim |
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| 13:03.49 | senaque | apt: dpkg-reconfigure revert default configuration ? |
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| 13:04.50 | agaran | SamChi: :) |
| 13:04.53 | senaque | hey hey folks, is there an easy way to get dpkg-reconfigure to revert back to default configuration settings? |
| 13:05.17 | senaque | (for a particular package) |
| 13:05.35 | SamChi | agaran: look, a dinosaur ! |
| 13:05.49 | itchi | senaque: If you remove that package with purge, and then reinstall?? |
| 13:06.00 | senaque | itchi: thank you kindly :-) |
| 13:06.07 | faber3 | what can be the reason if my cpu has the "ht" flag but i only see one cpu in /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 13:06.21 | liable | faber3: install an smp kernel |
| 13:07.26 | USmarine | faber3, get a smp kernel |
| 13:07.34 | SamChi | eee, nudno tu, jak ka¿de muzeum |
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| 13:08.01 | faber3 | liable: for a HT cpu, should i use HT and SMP for best performance or single CPU and non-smp kernel (web server, database9 |
| 13:09.08 | valdyn | faber3: ht and smp |
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| 13:09.20 | liable | faber3: no idea, but if you want to see two cpus in proc, then you need a smp kernel. i dont really know much about it, never owned one :( |
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| 13:12.13 | ndis | hi, there's a wifi-usb card that works 100% on debian ? |
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| 13:12.54 | lyakh | how can I debootstrap etch? it says "no such script", and indeed - there isn't one... Just copy another one, but packages may not match?... |
| 13:12.57 | valdyn | ndis: can you be more specific on what is supposed to work 100%? |
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| 13:13.20 | ndis | that just works ;) |
| 13:13.32 | itchi | ndis: My Dlink DWL-G122 with ndiswrapper |
| 13:13.34 | ndis | i've a nw54-usb based on si163u and it doesn't work at all |
| 13:13.40 | valdyn | ndis: in sarge? |
| 13:13.44 | ndis | yes |
| 13:13.53 | valdyn | ndis: not many at all work straight with the sarge installer |
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| 13:14.09 | valdyn | ndis: ( if any ) |
| 13:14.12 | itchi | ndis: It's work on Sarge :-) instructions howto setup are on the website of ndiswrapper, peace of cake to setup |
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| 13:14.37 | valdyn | itchi: just that ndiswrapper is probably the worst choice for driver |
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| 13:14.54 | TipTap | hey guys i was wondering if anyone could tell me what terminal or window utility they are using in http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots-dev/ikaro_fluxbox2.jpg that image, as they have two aterm windows in another window which is what i want to implement, or some form of terminal where i can flick between terminal tabs |
| 13:15.20 | itchi | valdyn: Bwa, it work great with it :-/ Or could it work better?? :-) |
| 13:15.45 | itchi | ndis: Yes with my DWL-G122 i have no troubles on my Debian Sarge box |
| 13:15.54 | itchi | ndis: It's an USB one |
| 13:16.08 | ndis | what chipset has |
| 13:16.10 | ndis | ? |
| 13:16.12 | itchi | ndis: It's work also great on my laptop with Etch |
| 13:16.38 | liable | TipTap: konsole has tabs, theres also another that i acnt remember right now |
| 13:16.48 | TipTap | yeh kconsole i don tlike though |
| 13:16.57 | stew | mrxvt is another |
| 13:17.02 | lyakh | ndis: zd1211-based ones work, if you compile an externeal (GPL) driver. |
| 13:17.17 | itchi | ndis: I not remember. I need to search that key, and i can not walk :-/ I have some troubles with my feats :-( |
| 13:17.39 | ndis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.45 | Hacker32 | can someone please suggest an irc client for linux that has good dcc support? Xchat doesnt event have the word "dcc" in any of the options. |
| 13:17.47 | TipTap | in that image though it has a window which has two aterm windows within it so i'm a little confused hwta it is they can be using |
| 13:17.54 | itchi | ndis: Moment, i think i know where it is |
| 13:18.00 | ndis | mmm ndiswrapper is the only way for a sis based one ? |
| 13:18.21 | liable | Hacker32: you sure? try /help, i find it starnge that xchat wouldnt support it |
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| 13:18.47 | liable | ram_einstein: you get it started? |
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| 13:19.01 | Hacker32 | liable, it supports it just not how you would expect it to support |
| 13:19.39 | agaran | anyone used smart flash card 20MB ? |
| 13:19.46 | liable | killown: oh :) |
| 13:20.06 | liable | !best irc client |
| 13:20.06 | dpkg | well, irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
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| 13:20.54 | itchi | voila |
| 13:21.15 | nix | xircon! |
| 13:21.59 | rohan | in deb sid, python 2.3 stuff, like python2.3-tk and python2.3-xml are being removed by apt .. is this indicative of the move to the default python to 2.4 ? |
| 13:22.05 | itchi | ndis: lsusb show me Bus 003 Device 004: ID 2001:3c00 D-Link Corp. [hex] |
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| 13:22.16 | itchi | ndis: What need you exactly as informations? |
| 13:22.20 | liable | TipTap: i think its the two seperate windows, but the one window has two tabs, though i didnt know aterm did tabs.. |
| 13:22.34 | itchi | ndis: The output of 'lsusb -v'? |
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| 13:22.45 | TipTap | liable, yeh it's a bit odd, it's almost like htere's another program handling the windows |
| 13:22.50 | TipTap | there's* |
| 13:22.58 | TipTap | hey ho, not to worry ;-) thanks anyway |
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| 13:25.45 | itchi | How can i get some chipset informations of for example my usb wifi key? |
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| 13:25.55 | Sonderblade | how do you change the hostname? |
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| 13:26.25 | itchi | !hostname |
| 13:26.25 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 13:26.41 | petemc | itchi: lsusb or cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 13:27.01 | itchi | I have get with dmesg some informations, but not that |
| 13:27.10 | itchi | petemc: I try it ;-) |
| 13:27.12 | agaran | bye |
| 13:27.14 | Sonderblade | no dpkg-reconfigure hostname? :) |
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| 13:29.20 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 13:29.20 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 13:29.51 | itchi | Sonderblade: Look to wath dpkg the both tell |
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| 13:30.57 | Sonderblade | itchi: i saw |
| 13:33.30 | liable | hrm, does the qemu -m option make much difference? |
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| 13:35.57 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:35.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd100 is < xpurple> Now I'm getting a message that says "Sending IP address to NSA" |
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| 13:37.28 | Sonderblade | what deb url should you have to get security updates? |
| 13:38.02 | stew | Sonderblade: if you are on stable, /msg dpkg security |
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| 13:38.49 | ndis | itchi > lsusb -v returns Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0457:0163 Silicon Integrated Systems Corp. |
| 13:38.50 | ndis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:39.37 | itchi | ndis: So it's already detected. Now you need to get the driver or so?? I have do it ala 'ndiswrapper' :-/ |
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| 13:40.18 | ndis | if i do ndiswrapper it's says si163u, driver present hardware present |
| 13:40.27 | ndis | but if i then do modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 13:40.34 | secureboot | can one boot a lot of diskless clients off the same nfs root? If so, how do you deal with clients each having different /etc directories? Things like /var/run are obvious, you just mount a tmpfs on them - but /etc needs to have files in it |
| 13:40.52 | zzz | Hi! How can i copy a directory from command line which contains only files and directories beginning with a '.'? cp -a * destination doesn' t work . |
| 13:40.52 | ndis | it once crashed and once returns nothing in both cases the card is not actrivated |
| 13:40.52 | secureboot | do you just make the clients not write back to the server's /etc? |
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| 13:41.15 | abrotman | Sonderblade: for sarge or what? |
| 13:41.24 | Sonderblade | abrotman: yup |
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| 13:41.41 | abrotman | Sonderblade: it's not in your sources already? ... if not .. run apt-setup and put it in there |
| 13:41.48 | solemnwarning | Anyone know whats going on with marillat? |
| 13:41.57 | Sonderblade | the line is "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" right? |
| 13:42.10 | jas4711 | Hi all! What's up with the NEW queue? Is there a freeze or something? A simple package rename and a new package has been stuck in it for over 3 weeks now... thx |
| 13:42.24 | delta__ | Hey there! I need to downgrade my Debian "unstable" box to the second-newest version of cupsys, as the current one is broken. How would you go about that? |
| 13:42.27 | liable | solemnwarning: debian-multimedia now. /msg dpk marillat |
| 13:42.36 | solemnwarning | I did |
| 13:42.45 | solemnwarning | apt-get update is getting 404 |
| 13:42.48 | liable | well.. |
| 13:43.19 | liable | solemnwarning: for the new repo? |
| 13:43.31 | solemnwarning | Yeah |
| 13:43.47 | liable | solemnwarning: hrm, works here, recheck source line. |
| 13:43.49 | solemnwarning | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main <-- 404 |
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| 13:44.55 | liable | solemnwarning: try stable, though it says the alias should work now.. |
| 13:44.59 | SeicherlBoB | hi there! my ntp-server wont start up. the log tells me "listening on interface..." but ps aux tells me, there's no server running. any suggestions? |
| 13:45.56 | stew | Sonderblade: yeah, it looks like the pacakges file is missing: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/ |
| 13:46.11 | solemnwarning | liable: still 404 |
| 13:46.28 | liable | hrm, my sarge box updates with it.. |
| 13:46.38 | liable | solemnwarning: see what stew said |
| 13:46.47 | abrotman | there's a lot of stuff missing it looks like |
| 13:46.55 | solemnwarning | damm |
| 13:46.56 | liable | oh, no it doesnt... |
| 13:47.01 | liable | doh |
| 13:47.02 | solemnwarning | How can I get the packages then? |
| 13:47.08 | abrotman | you wait |
| 13:47.17 | liable | heh, it used too :) |
| 13:47.18 | solemnwarning | ffs |
| 13:47.24 | stew | solemnwarning: you either wait or you download packages from /pool manually |
| 13:47.31 | solemnwarning | why the hell is marillat gone? :\ |
| 13:47.42 | rohan | :o marillat is gone somewhere ? |
| 13:47.45 | abrotman | mplayer sucks? :) |
| 13:48.01 | solemnwarning | WTF |
| 13:48.04 | rohan | abrotman: rocks ? :) |
| 13:48.06 | solemnwarning | Everything is missing |
| 13:48.14 | solemnwarning | Including the debs from pool |
| 13:48.23 | stew | solemnwarning: no there are debs in the pool |
| 13:48.24 | liable | hrm, my sid box gets it to, guess you just have to wait |
| 13:48.31 | solemnwarning | I don't see any |
| 13:48.31 | rohan | hmm.. d-m.org has mplayer 1.0pre8 while marillat has only pre7 |
| 13:48.32 | USmarine | its deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main now |
| 13:48.35 | rohan | and i use marillat |
| 13:48.35 | solemnwarning | I see empty dirs |
| 13:48.38 | rohan | strange :S |
| 13:48.47 | USmarine | marillat is deb multimidia |
| 13:48.52 | liable | its broken.. wait till they fix it :P |
| 13:48.55 | rohan | oh, they are same ? |
| 13:48.59 | solemnwarning | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/ <-- empty dir! |
| 13:49.00 | liable | yeah |
| 13:49.03 | abrotman | solemnwarning: maybe you should swtich to gentoo |
| 13:49.20 | liable | solemnwarning: you really need it now? |
| 13:49.27 | rohan | ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ ---> is a working mirror, right ? |
| 13:49.33 | rohan | to d-m.org ? |
| 13:49.36 | rohan | lol, solemnwarning |
| 13:49.51 | abrotman | solemnwarning: you were whining yesterday too |
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| 13:50.08 | stew | solemnwarning: the v directory is populated and the x directory isnt, maybe dinstall is running right now |
| 13:50.19 | solemnwarning | It seems everything in debian is breaking |
| 13:50.23 | rohan | anyway, in what way is marillat aka d-m.org broken ? |
| 13:50.26 | solemnwarning | Someone removed nvidia drivers from testing |
| 13:50.30 | rohan | solemnwarning: no, sid works perfectly fine here |
| 13:50.31 | stew | solemnwarning: debian-multimedia isn't debian |
| 13:50.32 | abrotman | no you yard |
| 13:50.34 | abrotman | tard |
| 13:50.45 | liable | solemnwarning: i can give you the sarge deb if you must have it immediately |
| 13:50.51 | solemnwarning | o_O |
| 13:50.54 | abrotman | solemnwarning: they were taken out on purpose .. people that are WAY smarter than you removed them intentionally |
| 13:51.15 | solemnwarning | Whats the point in forcing testing users to use nv/vesa? |
| 13:51.29 | rohan | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/m/mplayer/ --> i dont understand, if it has mplayer 1.0pre8 then why is apt not pulling it in ? |
| 13:51.29 | abrotman | it's fucking testing idiot |
| 13:51.33 | abrotman | if you want stable .. use stable |
| 13:51.57 | rohan | liable: i.e. if he must watch porn urgently |
| 13:51.59 | liable | hrm, i think my qemu install has hung :( |
| 13:52.00 | solemnwarning | Thats no reason to remove nvidia from it |
| 13:52.05 | stew | rohan: what does "apt-cache policy mplayer" say for candidate? |
| 13:52.12 | stoned | omg! |
| 13:52.19 | abrotman | it is if it doesn't work with what was currently in testing |
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| 13:52.23 | liable | rohan: well, when you need to release, you need to release :P |
| 13:52.25 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.25 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.26 | secureboot | liable: move the mouse around, or press some keys in it |
| 13:52.27 | rohan | stew: ^^ |
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| 13:52.35 | secureboot | liable: that usually speeds things up when it looks to have hung |
| 13:52.35 | stew | rohan: that's why its not pulling pre8 in |
| 13:52.48 | rohan | stew: then do i 'force' it manually ? |
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| 13:52.57 | rohan | or what do i do ? :S |
| 13:53.00 | stew | rohan: download the deb and dpkg -i it |
| 13:53.00 | carlo | hi i have a problem with krdc when i connect with vnc the goes to 100% |
| 13:53.05 | abrotman | solemnwarning: alternately .. don't buy garbage from nvidia |
| 13:53.07 | secureboot | liable: for some reason, qemu seems to hit "rough patches" where it can barely make forward progress |
| 13:53.11 | liable | secureboot: tried that, been hanging on 33mins for like 20mins now :( |
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| 13:53.19 | Sonderblade | which is the correct file in /etc to edit to add a line like "alias grep='grep --color=auto'"? |
| 13:53.21 | rohan | stew: fine, but for for my info, why is it not upgrading mplayer ? |
| 13:53.24 | solemnwarning | nVidia is not garbage |
| 13:53.26 | secureboot | liable: i had an ubuntu take 40 minutes at one stage |
| 13:53.30 | solemnwarning | They actually make nice cards |
| 13:53.34 | stew | rohan: because a newer one isn't available from your apt source |
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| 13:53.36 | liable | secureboot: yeah, i'll give it till i wake up tommorow then i'll kill it |
| 13:53.41 | solemnwarning | And they work when installing the drivers is possible |
| 13:53.42 | secureboot | liable: and it finished fine - not saying it isn't hung, but if you've got time... |
| 13:53.42 | abrotman | too bad they fuck over thier users |
| 13:53.49 | solemnwarning | ZOMG! |
| 13:54.05 | eps | is there a good reason that the debian sid kernel is compiled with gcc4 and the current package is 4.1? |
| 13:54.05 | rohan | stew: oh, then let me try adding d-m.org in place of ftp.nerim.net |
| 13:54.07 | solemnwarning | They didnt release thier drivers under GPL! Everything they make sucks now!! |
| 13:54.10 | stoned | <abrotman> solemnwarning: alternately .. don't buy garbage from nvidia <-- what the FUCK is wrong with you |
| 13:54.18 | stoned | and I mean all the offence you wanna take, take it |
| 13:54.19 | liable | secureboot: it was going good, but it seems a bit stuck now |
| 13:54.20 | stew | rohan: d-m.org is currently offering no packages |
| 13:54.21 | k-man1 | i seem to be in a situation where upgrading to xorg has many conflicts in /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 13:54.26 | stoned | thats just a fucking retarded thing to say |
| 13:54.29 | secureboot | liable: same experience here, with ubuntu |
| 13:54.32 | k-man1 | when i try and do an apt-get install xorg that is |
| 13:54.33 | eps | solemnwarning if there drivers were lgpl/gpl it would save a lot of hassel |
| 13:54.41 | secureboot | liable: probably the same point in d-i |
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| 13:54.47 | abrotman | stoned: no it's not .. |
| 13:54.49 | stoned | yes it is |
| 13:54.54 | liable | secureboot: the thing that worries me is that cpu usage has gone back to idle |
| 13:54.55 | stoned | and you need to stop being a dick to people |
| 13:54.56 | abrotman | stoned: i'm not advocating ati either |
| 13:54.57 | rohan | stew: even though i see them .. what is the problem with d-m.rog ? |
| 13:54.58 | rohan | *org |
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| 13:55.08 | liable | secureboot: this is a windows install |
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| 13:55.20 | stew | rohan: its Packages files are missing |
| 13:55.22 | stoned | it doesn't matter how long you've been here, it also doesn't matter how much you know, you need to quit bieng a dick |
| 13:55.24 | abrotman | stoned: he's whining because testing doesn't have a binary driver .. |
| 13:55.29 | rohan | stew: oh ok :) |
| 13:55.40 | abrotman | stoned: you're telling me how to act? |
| 13:55.46 | eps | stoned why? this channel has a reputation to up hold... abrotman is just doing his part |
| 13:55.53 | stoned | I said what I had to say |
| 13:55.57 | stoned | I'm done |
| 13:56.00 | nix | lol |
| 13:56.03 | stoned | I still love you abrotman |
| 13:56.04 | stoned | :) |
| 13:56.04 | abrotman | stoned: he whines constantly about debian .. i have no idea why he uses it |
| 13:56.11 | eps | "I'm done" is a cop out |
| 13:56.15 | abrotman | if your OS doesn't work for you .. find a new one |
| 13:56.19 | stoned | yeh well fuck em, I can't deal with morons either |
| 13:56.38 | abrotman | if you want nvidia drivers to be there always .. use stable .. it's nto a difficult concept |
| 13:56.42 | liable | !group hug |
| 13:56.45 | secureboot | liable: ah. |
| 13:56.51 | liable | meh |
| 13:56.51 | abrotman | or figure out how to use the nvidia.com installer |
| 13:57.03 | eps | debian never works for me...but I'm using sid so I'm asking for trouble :P ...now back to why some newb package maintainer decided to loose sync between the kernel package and the gcc version, it's been four days now and it hasn't been fixed |
| 13:57.23 | stew | eps: what exactly are you talking about? |
| 13:57.38 | stoned | omg |
| 13:57.38 | stew | see this is why I avoid non-free drivers, they make people angry :) |
| 13:57.43 | liable | secureboot: i think i might have to start agian, but, i'll see how its gone in the morning i guess |
| 13:57.53 | stoned | abrotman, I see exactly what you mean |
| 13:58.04 | liable | secureboot: no big hurry, was just for shits and giggles anyway |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | stoned: keep an eye on him .. he does it all the time .. you'll figure it out :) |
| 13:58.16 | stoned | word |
| 13:58.24 | liable | secureboot: but now i am gonna have to work out why the fucker wont work :) |
| 13:58.34 | eps | kernel 2.6.16-1-686(-20) and 2.6.16-2-686(-14) are compiled with gcc4.0 while the current sid version of gcc is 4.1 which is making installing nvidia a complete bitch...renaming all the sym links AGAIN (I should write a script to do it for me) |
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| 13:59.24 | secureboot | liable: do you use kqemu? |
| 13:59.28 | eps | note those kernels are current (as off I just tried updating them all again today...and using nv as a driver is a pain as I only get like 60hz instead of 75) |
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| 14:00.10 | stew | eps: a new version of 2.6.16-1 is never going to be uploaded to debian now that 2.6.16-2 is available |
| 14:00.16 | stoned | I have a 32mb old nvidia card running nvidia drivers on sarge and it works just the way it should |
| 14:00.22 | liable | secureboot: no, i only just tried this cause someone else was talking about it earlier, so i thought i would give it a burl. have been meaning to try it, but never really gotten around to it |
| 14:00.22 | dvcoa | hello~ |
| 14:00.44 | stoned | dvcoa, hi |
| 14:00.45 | eps | stew note I've already tried with current -2 and it's the same problem |
| 14:00.46 | secureboot | liable: kinda fun though. The linux installs are super-easy, and let you play around with things like hula with impunity. |
| 14:01.11 | dvcoa | I was wondering when you using ssh terminal putty, does the keep alive option work? |
| 14:01.13 | eps | and I REALLY want to avoid renaming all the sym links...and I REALLY want to get onto eve online before bed tonight to train a skill and I need direct rendering for that :| |
| 14:01.25 | abrotman | stoned: that's kind of my point |
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| 14:01.44 | liable | secureboot: yeah, i have no idea what the hell i am gonna do with a windows install... but i spose its just something to play with till i find the next thing :) |
| 14:01.57 | dvcoa | is there anybody know how not to logout automatically when idling. |
| 14:01.59 | dvcoa | ? |
| 14:02.09 | stoned | you don't |
| 14:02.12 | eps | dvcoa turn off screen saver? |
| 14:02.21 | stoned | oh that thing, yeah, SS |
| 14:02.27 | eps | logout or get a locked screen? |
| 14:02.28 | stew | eps: ask #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net about when a 4.1 compiled kernel will be available. but why can't you just compile nvidia with gcc-4.0 like the kenrel? |
| 14:02.31 | MikeA | has anybody compiled mod_ntlm2 using apxs |
| 14:02.32 | eps | they are two different things |
| 14:02.36 | stoned | optionally remove the xscreensaver package i think |
| 14:02.37 | dvcoa | eps / logouted. |
| 14:02.53 | stoned | dvcoa, correct grammar would be, logged out |
| 14:02.55 | stoned | :) |
| 14:03.02 | dvcoa | thanks. |
| 14:03.06 | stoned | np |
| 14:03.12 | eps | stew because I don't want to change the sym links of all the gcc, g++ etc binaries to the gcc4 ones from gcc4.1 |
| 14:03.25 | eps | unless there is a nice simple way that I don't know? |
| 14:03.30 | liable | secureboot: its still using a wee bit of cpu, but thats prolly just the silly windows advertising it does whilst it installs |
| 14:03.35 | abrotman | dvcoa: is it logging you out or killing X ? |
| 14:03.43 | stew | eps: no you should never change those symlinks, just export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 ; export HOSTCC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 |
| 14:03.46 | rohan | is debian-marillat repo superseded by d-m.org ? or they both remain 'valid' ? since if christian maintains d-m.org then he is kind of 'ignoring' debian-marillat repo right ? |
| 14:03.56 | MikeA | has anybody compiled mod_ntlm2 using apxs |
| 14:04.01 | secureboot | liable: ha... it may be the virtualized disk access that's taking so long - in that case, little cpu would be used |
| 14:04.02 | stoned | I think it might be a lock screen thing, he might see it as being logged out |
| 14:04.06 | dvcoa | abrotman : logged me out |
| 14:04.09 | stoned | hmm |
| 14:04.11 | liable | rohan: i think they both work for now, but its moving over |
| 14:04.20 | eps | thanks stew, had always wondered how to do that :P (time to boot back to -2) |
| 14:04.27 | rohan | liable: i.e. the 'main' repo is becoming d-m.org ? |
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| 14:04.39 | dvcoa | abrotman : and just terminated the putty window. |
| 14:04.43 | liable | rohan: for marillat? yeah, i think so |
| 14:04.46 | stew | eps: sorry, i didn't get which symlinks you were talking about at first, i figured it was some nvidia installer thingy |
| 14:05.03 | rohan | liable: oh ok |
| 14:05.11 | eps | stew thanks man, will save me lots of time in future :D |
| 14:05.16 | eps | bbs |
| 14:05.40 | abrotman | dvcoa: wait .. is it X or just a terminal ? |
| 14:05.48 | liable | secureboot: fuckit, i just killed it.. |
| 14:05.55 | stoned | or is it a remote login? |
| 14:06.00 | abrotman | i used to have a mahcine that after 10 minutes .. the DPMS would kick on .. and the machine couldn't handle it .. and it would crash X |
| 14:06.10 | abrotman | (well .. still have it .. but no X now) |
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| 14:06.11 | dvcoa | abrotman : it is a ssh terminal. |
| 14:06.20 | abrotman | dvcoa: that's probably a router in between |
| 14:06.28 | junir | hi, im running sarge, whats the best way to get kde 3.5 installed? |
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| 14:06.38 | stoned | !tell junir about backports |
| 14:07.02 | stoned | there might be an updated repository or kde 3.5.1 at deb.stosberg.net |
| 14:07.12 | stoned | junir, check deb.stosberg.net as well |
| 14:07.19 | dvcoa | abrotman : the putty has a option which is keep alive, it would send a packet not to lost connetion. |
| 14:07.20 | stoned | junir, I believe backports.org only has 3.5.0 |
| 14:08.02 | dvcoa | abrotman : I think the problem is not a router or firewall.. |
| 14:09.27 | junir | stoned: do I just need to add backports to sources.list |
| 14:09.27 | callee | is there already a frozen kernel version for etch when it turns stable? |
| 14:09.27 | junir | sorry, yes I do |
| 14:09.27 | liable | junir: backports home page has infos |
| 14:09.28 | abrotman | dvcoa: it's possible that putty isn't sending them often enough |
| 14:09.37 | stoned | junir, couple of things in mind. I think you should install from deb.stosberg.net. Check out the site, instructinos are there. Only select the kde 3.5.1 repository, put it in /etc/apt/sources.list, update && install kde (DO NOT dist-upgrade with backports) |
| 14:10.18 | junir | and when I do this, what stops apt from going to debian stable first and downloading any older version of kde |
| 14:10.32 | junir | why stosberg? |
| 14:10.36 | petemc | dvcoa: is there a firewall between you and the server? ive seen that behaviour with shitty sonic devices |
| 14:10.37 | stoned | junir, 3.5.1 is bugfixes etc. over 3.5.0, I don't remember exactly about backports.org, but I do know for a fact that stosberg holds 3.5.1 |
| 14:11.08 | killown | what 's the best translator? |
| 14:11.14 | rohan | whats stosberg ? |
| 14:11.17 | stoned | junir, I think by default higher version number packages take precedence over lower ones, but you can use /etc/apt/preferences to pin things |
| 14:11.23 | stoned | !tell junir about pinning |
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| 14:11.43 | junir | ahhhh, thanks |
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| 14:12.37 | eps | again, thanks stew :) |
| 14:13.07 | junir | thing is when im specifying kde in preferences... theres so many packages. Do I need to specify them all? |
| 14:13.23 | stoned | no |
| 14:13.34 | stoned | something like Pin: kde* |
| 14:13.46 | stoned | doh |
| 14:13.49 | stoned | Package: kde* |
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| 14:13.57 | eleftherios | I have writen an app in python which should be run as a system command, what's the recommended way to have it installed? Shall I create a makefile with a 'make install' target or is there some other tool I should use? |
| 14:13.58 | stoned | Pin: origin deb stosberg net |
| 14:14.05 | stoned | Pin-Priority: 990 |
| 14:14.11 | stoned | something like that |
| 14:14.12 | phoohb | stoned: yes you have to.. (and it will get harder, and harder) |
| 14:14.36 | deformative | Hi, I am pretty new to linux, if I install debian will I be able to use e17 as a desktop? |
| 14:14.51 | stoned | phoohb, not all the time |
| 14:14.57 | nevyn | eleftherios: depends how widely you want to distribute it |
| 14:15.27 | stoned | junir, if you don't want to mess with pinning, you should learn about the -t switch in apt-get. apt-get -t releasehere .... |
| 14:15.31 | nevyn | eleftherios: you could use debhelper to make a deb file that you can install with dpkg |
| 14:15.40 | peppet | dvcoa: increasing both ClientAliveCountMax (24) and ClientAliveInterval (3600) session keeps alive for 1 day even if a firewall is filtering |
| 14:15.46 | phoohb | (I hold back xfree86 two years, but then when dependens names and etc chnged.. the strikeforce of xorg shows it power..) |
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| 14:16.22 | junir | ok, ill look into it. thanks for the help |
| 14:16.29 | eleftherios | nevyn, yes I will create a deb for it but the original tarball should have some sort of installation for the man page and the executable |
| 14:16.30 | stoned | you're welcome |
| 14:17.18 | eleftherios | so I will either write some custom python script or write a makefile for a make install target (or if someone could point out the most conventional way to do it) |
| 14:17.37 | stew | eleftherios: look at distutils which comes with the python core, and create a setup.py using distutils |
| 14:17.40 | dvcoa | peppet : where is that option ? |
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| 14:17.47 | eleftherios | stew, distutils are for python modules |
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| 14:18.09 | peppet | dvcoa: sshd_config |
| 14:18.20 | stew | eleftherios: not exclusively, though, right? |
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| 14:18.39 | eleftherios | stew, as far as I understand they are used to install python modules to be used with the python interpreter |
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| 14:19.13 | eleftherios | stew, I had a quick look at the docs yesterday and I couldn't find any references for installing system wide apps |
| 14:19.39 | eleftherios | ah well, I guess a makefile is the way to go |
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| 14:22.39 | liable | ewww, my cd drive needs grease ! |
| 14:23.42 | abrotman | so does the sheep |
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| 14:23.51 | stoned | sick |
| 14:24.17 | stoned | abrotman, "would you fuck a sheep?" |
| 14:24.30 | abrotman | stoned: liable is an aussie .. it's a running joke |
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| 14:24.42 | stoned | abrotman, that line is from jay and silent bob strike back |
| 14:24.46 | stoned | :) |
| 14:24.52 | liable | not a funny one either :( |
| 14:25.01 | stoned | actually that whole bit was funny |
| 14:25.09 | liable | seeing as abrotman doent realise its KIWIS that fuck sheep! |
| 14:25.17 | dvcoa | peppet : what is your putty version? |
| 14:25.21 | stoned | lol |
| 14:25.28 | liable | we fuck, erm, other things.. |
| 14:25.31 | liable | :P |
| 14:25.39 | stoned | more power to ya man |
| 14:25.39 | dvcoa | peppet : I don't see that. |
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| 14:26.04 | _edwin_ | hi, having problems with syntax highlighting in vim, somehow related to #369119. "Can't open file /usr/local/share/vim/syntax/syntax.vim". I don't even have /usr/local/share/vim ! Symlinking doesn't help unfortunately |
| 14:26.12 | stew | eleftherios: file:///usr/share/doc/python/html/dist/setup-script.html#SECTION000340000000000000000 (assuming you have python-doc installed) |
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| 14:26.35 | stew | _edwin_: what does "readlink -f $(which vim)" return? |
| 14:26.38 | phoohb | I have cdrom problem, it doesn't work if module "ide-scsi" is loaded. (and I have nooo ideer why its get loaded.. ) Any ideer??? HELP |
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| 14:26.51 | _edwin_ | stew: /usr/bin/vim.full |
| 14:26.56 | nix | usr/local/share? how can that ever be a reference in a packaged vim |
| 14:27.10 | _edwin_ | stew: I am on amd64, but vim was working great till I upgraded it today |
| 14:27.11 | stoned | phoohb, take it out then |
| 14:27.21 | peppet | dvcoa: it's a ssh server option |
| 14:27.38 | phoohb | stoned: I do. But why does it get loaded at evry bootups? |
| 14:27.39 | eleftherios | stew, will check it now, thanks :-) |
| 14:28.07 | stoned | phoohb, because you didn't do it right I guess |
| 14:28.41 | phoohb | stoned: Do you have any ideer, or are you just chatting? |
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| 14:28.49 | stoned | phoohb, if you tell it to not load a module, it won't load one |
| 14:29.14 | jetscreamer | phoohb: blacklist it |
| 14:29.14 | phoohb | stoned: Where do I tell it to explicetly not lo be loaded??? |
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| 14:29.16 | liable | phoohb: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 14:29.17 | jetscreamer | !blacklist |
| 14:29.18 | dpkg | blacklist is probably Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 14:29.22 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 14:29.24 | stew | phoohb: is it in /etc/modules? is it in your bootloader? (like /boot/grub/menu.lst) |
| 14:29.30 | jetscreamer | liable faster next time :) |
| 14:29.35 | liable | jetscreamer: :) |
| 14:29.42 | stoned | phogg, read some docs, also a great tool is modconf, install it, take it for a spin around the block, browse stuff. /etc/modules |
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| 14:29.58 | stew | _edwin_: make sure /usr/local/ isn't referenced in your .vimrc nor in /etc/vim/ |
| 14:30.01 | jetscreamer | around the world in 80 days... but he said nothing... |
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| 14:30.06 | liable | jetscreamer: almost bed for me, getting drunk and slow :) |
| 14:30.09 | seele_ | I have a linux router with 2 interfaces: the internet interface , and the private interface, in the private interface I control the public addresses clients, they have a router, when I try to make ping to this router from outside, I can't make it, but when I try to make ping to the host without a router the ping works ???? any suguest |
| 14:30.18 | jetscreamer | liable: i have to go to work atm :( |
| 14:30.18 | phoohb | stew: nope it's not in /etc/modules |
| 14:30.27 | liable | jetscreamer: haha! :P |
| 14:30.34 | _edwin_ | stew: it is not referenced |
| 14:30.36 | dvcoa | peppet : I don't have a privilege to change that. ;( |
| 14:30.53 | stew | phoohb: check that its not on the # kopt line in menu.lst (or anywhere else in menu.lst) or lilo.conf if you use lilo |
| 14:31.06 | stew | phoohb: otherwise you blacklist it |
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| 14:32.46 | hburchey | Why doesn't GRUB load up? It says "GRUB Loading stage1.5." and then "GRUB loading, please wait..." and then just stops. |
| 14:33.02 | hburchey | It never displays the grub menu |
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| 14:33.14 | makko | neither tsocks nor proxychains on my "machine A" will access a socks proxy (on "machine B" on the lan) unless my machine were also provided direct internet access (such as by using machine B as a nating gateway), any idea why? |
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| 14:34.19 | liable | hburchey: have you let it wait a while? my box doesnt like grub and hangs for quite some time with it. otherwise re-install grub, and the mbr |
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| 14:35.34 | nix | which would be faster, webdav over https or samba/nfs over openvpn? |
| 14:35.36 | liable | hburchey: i ended up installing lilo cause it pissed me off to much |
| 14:35.46 | Bart22 | hi, how do i install liblame?? there seems to be no debian package, and downloading the source and installing that doesn't have the desired effect either... |
| 14:36.00 | _edwin_ | 1:7.0-017+5 was working ok (syntax highlighting), 1:7.0-017+6 broke things |
| 14:36.05 | jetscreamer | !tell Bart22 -about marillat |
| 14:36.14 | liable | Bart22: toolame package? |
| 14:36.19 | hburchey | liable, I already reinstalled it. And yes, I waited a while. |
| 14:36.29 | hburchey | liable, 60 seconds or so. |
| 14:36.30 | Bart22 | jetscreamer: thanks! |
| 14:36.35 | Bart22 | liable: no, mp3lame |
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| 14:37.10 | _edwin_ | stew: I'm going to reportbug the vim problem |
| 14:37.23 | stew | _edwin_: what version of vim do you have installed now? |
| 14:37.34 | Bart22 | jetscreamer: how must i insert this line into sources.list? |
| 14:37.39 | _edwin_ | 1:7.0-017+6 on amd64, and 1:7.0-017+5 in 32-bit chroot |
| 14:37.41 | liable | Bart22: see what jetscreamer / dpkg siad |
| 14:37.42 | _edwin_ | the one in chroot works fine |
| 14:38.23 | ndis | itchi > i noticed a strang e behavior if i do modprobe ndiswrapper while in recovery mode (X not started) this success and lists my wlan adapter caps; says major_fn 0bf not implemented but the led on the card does not turns on whey ? |
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| 14:38.40 | stew | _edwin_: +6 is available too it looks like, i'm installing that now, i'll see if i see the same |
| 14:38.50 | stew | _edwin_: but you should probably reportbug regardless |
| 14:38.52 | _edwin_ | stew: echo $VIMRUNTIME: /usr/local/share/vim |
| 14:38.59 | _edwin_ | lol, what is local doing there? |
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| 14:39.09 | Bart22 | liable: it doesnt really say what the exact line should be... and i kind of forgot all my linux knowledge :| |
| 14:39.10 | liable | hburchey: i dunno. i would try lilo, but i guess that doesnt solve the problem |
| 14:39.13 | abrotman | liable: it's a joke! |
| 14:39.26 | GeorgeS069 | howdy folks |
| 14:39.29 | abrotman | liable: at least i don't make jokes about you and the koalas :) |
| 14:39.30 | liable | abrotman: read what i said after :P |
| 14:39.34 | abrotman | liable: i saw :) |
| 14:39.35 | liable | Bart22: at the bottom of the page |
| 14:39.37 | stew | _edwin_: doh, that would be the problem |
| 14:39.54 | _edwin_ | stew: #373696, I just found it when starting reportbug ... |
| 14:39.57 | Bart22 | what page? |
| 14:40.05 | liable | Bart22: the marillat page |
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| 14:40.28 | Bart22 | where is the marillat page :? |
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| 14:40.34 | itchi | ndis: I not know :-/ |
| 14:41.08 | liable | Bart22: visit the marillat home page |
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| 14:41.19 | Bart22 | but where is the marillat home page? |
| 14:41.19 | Neeesat25 | First of all hello to all. Is anyone using fglrx driver for RADEON on debian with tv-out? |
| 14:41.20 | itchi | !marillat |
| 14:41.20 | dpkg | methinks marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 14:41.41 | ndis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.46 | _edwin_ | stew: the workaround listed in the bugreport works. Now one more problem left: Ctrl+P, and Ctrl-X+Ctrl-O (a.k.a omni-completion) is not working on amd64. They work in the chroot (same .vimrc) |
| 14:41.49 | makko | neither tsocks or proxychains on my "machine A" will access a socks proxy (on "machine B" on the lan) unless my machine were also provided direct internet access (such as by using machine B as a nating gateway), any idea why? |
| 14:41.53 | liable | Bart22: its a bit confusing cause it just moved.. http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 14:42.21 | Bart22 | but that shows only a directory listing.. |
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| 14:43.05 | eleftherios | I have a script which merges and parses/analyzes httpd log files, is /usr/bin/ the right place to be installed? |
| 14:43.42 | liable | eleftherios: /usr/local if its a non debian app |
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| 14:43.45 | nix | Neeesat25: the ati's fglrx installer is capable of creating .deb packages, this is the way to go. google for it, the option is --buildpkg debian/[stable/testing/unstable] |
| 14:43.49 | Slyboots | Hello :) |
| 14:43.53 | Dantix | Where can I download a DEB package of Mysql_server release 5? |
| 14:43.58 | liable | eleftherios: thats usually the place for non debian stuff to go |
| 14:44.06 | itchi | ndis: The modules name to load 'modprobe bttv card=2' for example.Sorry i'm a bit bussy, i'm prepare me to go to the doctor for my feets :-/ |
| 14:44.10 | Bart22 | what exactly do i have to paste into sources.list? "deb http://debian-multimedia.org " ... and then what? |
| 14:44.13 | nix | Dantix: www.dotdeb.org. |
| 14:44.17 | abrotman | !beer liable |
| 14:44.25 | Dantix | nix: thanks |
| 14:44.41 | ndis | iok bu i mant what command not how to use modprobe ;) |
| 14:44.52 | Neeesat25 | I have fglrx installed but I cant make my card give tv-out |
| 14:44.56 | ndis | practically what to do after modprobe successes |
| 14:44.58 | ndis | ;) |
| 14:44.59 | liable | Bart22: btw, its actually broken tonight |
| 14:45.04 | liable | Bart22: :( |
| 14:45.10 | Bart22 | oww... |
| 14:45.21 | Dantix | nix: is your URL right? seems to be down... |
| 14:45.22 | abrotman | nix: no |
| 14:45.27 | eleftherios | liable, even if it comes as a debian package? |
| 14:45.28 | abrotman | nix: don't use dotdeb anymore |
| 14:45.33 | abrotman | Dantix: backports.org |
| 14:45.35 | nix | Dantix: not my url. |
| 14:45.38 | nix | abrotman: how come? |
| 14:45.38 | liable | Bart22: its explained at the bottom of the page though about the sources lines |
| 14:45.40 | Slyboots | Agh, Dont tell me fglrx does not do TV out.. |
| 14:45.42 | abrotman | !dotdeb |
| 14:45.42 | dpkg | from memory, dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 14:45.48 | tzbishop | hey |
| 14:45.54 | nix | oic |
| 14:46.13 | Dantix | thanks all |
| 14:46.18 | Bart22 | the bottom of what page? I don't see any pages... All i see is a directory listing on that http site |
| 14:46.29 | Neeesat25 | fglrx does not give tv-out? |
| 14:46.43 | nix | Neeesat25: no idea. dont use it. |
| 14:46.50 | liable | eleftherios: are you making one or just asking? system stuff goes in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin i dont know what the difference between the two is. |
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| 14:47.12 | Neeesat25 | whats the best driver for ATI to do 3D and tv-out in debian? |
| 14:47.25 | liable | Bart22: ah, sorry, sec |
| 14:47.50 | eleftherios | liable, I am packaging my script and then I will create a deb for it, so yes I am making one |
| 14:48.28 | liable | Bart22: hrm, i think the whole site is a bit fucked up atm. the packages dont work, and there used to be a home page |
| 14:48.43 | Bart22 | ahh |
| 14:48.51 | liable | Bart22: try tomorrow, its normally very reliable |
| 14:49.01 | Bart22 | ok, then i will try, thanks for your help! |
| 14:50.17 | liable | Bart22: the old home page .. http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 14:51.05 | tzbishop | hey |
| 14:51.33 | tzbishop | my firefox crashes when i try to load a site which also loads my mplayerplug-in. can anybody help me? |
| 14:51.57 | liable | tzbishop: whats the site? gimme the link if it isnt goatse :P |
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| 14:52.27 | tzbishop | www.uol.com.br |
| 14:52.31 | tzbishop | its a brazilian site |
| 14:52.46 | tzbishop | ill bring a direct link to a movie whick requires mplayer, just a minute |
| 14:53.04 | liable | ok |
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| 14:53.19 | liable | its done, but no video |
| 14:53.40 | liable | or do i click on the big brown headed dude? |
| 14:54.01 | ktwilight | tzbishop, doesn't crash here |
| 14:54.30 | tzbishop | strange....i am using vo=x11 and ao=esd |
| 14:55.21 | tzbishop | http://esporte.uol.com.br/copa/2006/tv/index.jhtm?abrevideo=http://copa.esporte.uol.com.br/copa/2006/tv/ultnot/2006/06/14/ult3576u21.jhtm#tp#tp |
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| 14:55.39 | killown | which is the best translating program of langs? |
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| 14:56.57 | tzbishop | that link...could you try, please? |
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| 14:57.22 | Erudified | man I've got it |
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| 14:57.30 | abrotman | is UOL worse than AOL ? |
| 14:57.32 | Erudified | the debian firefox build just sucks at javascript |
| 14:57.38 | Erudified | for some reason =( |
| 14:57.38 | bai | what's it called when you install a custom .deb and want to prevent any future apt-get upgrades from replacing it? |
| 14:57.51 | nixie | bai: pinning |
| 14:57.57 | bai | ok cool, thanks |
| 14:58.03 | nixie | bai: or putting it on hold, with dselect. |
| 14:58.07 | Erudified | Surely someone else has ran into this; firefox is just *sluggish* on this machine |
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| 14:58.09 | getcode | hello |
| 14:58.09 | tzbishop | UOL is a brazilian site. In Brazil, Lycos Brasil bought AOL and its users 2 months ago |
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| 14:59.30 | bai | Erudified: sure you're not using an extension like firebug which could be slowing it down? |
| 15:00.42 | liable | yay qemu is working :) |
| 15:01.02 | liable | i wonder if the network shits will though.. |
| 15:01.45 | tzbishop | is qemu better than vmware? |
| 15:02.13 | Erudified | bai, I've got the web developer extension installed, but that's it |
| 15:02.34 | Erudified | Actually, sry, I lied |
| 15:02.41 | liable | tzbishop: its free, so yes :) |
| 15:02.42 | Erudified | I've got the web developer extension, tabmix plus, and venkman |
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| 15:02.52 | liable | tzbishop: but apparently its a bit slower |
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| 15:03.01 | Fser | hello |
| 15:03.02 | Erudified | it just seems wierd to me, not to troll, but its really zippy on this machine in windows |
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| 15:03.21 | tzbishop | is it open source? |
| 15:03.37 | tzbishop | i mean, vmware |
| 15:03.51 | liable | nop |
| 15:03.54 | liable | e |
| 15:04.02 | charzero | is qemu faster than vmware? |
| 15:04.03 | Fser | do someone know the name of the packet to permit me to get result with "man select" or "man poll" ? |
| 15:04.15 | liable | charzero: no, dont think so |
| 15:04.27 | cureless | charzero: qemu has a binary module to speed things up |
| 15:04.43 | liable | which is free but proprietry |
| 15:04.54 | amc | how i can optimize my debian? can someone give me a howto or something? |
| 15:05.38 | liable | amc: debian is optimesed out of the box :) |
| 15:05.43 | cureless | Fser: manpages-dev |
| 15:05.57 | GeorgeS069 | lol...tell my ATI ide chipset that :P~ |
| 15:06.10 | amc | lol |
| 15:06.13 | Fser | cureless-> trying. thanks :) |
| 15:06.13 | Tomze | and my tvcard ;) |
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| 15:07.00 | amc | so maybe i have to use xfce instead of gnome in spite of gnome 2.10 ran great on fedora core 4, but 2.14 sometimes is really slow :/ |
| 15:07.02 | Fser | that works \o/ |
| 15:07.03 | Fser | thanks :) |
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| 15:07.59 | liable | amc: oh, you are talking about that sort of stuff .. :( |
| 15:08.17 | Slyboots | Hm, Slight odd problem in Debian (Unstable) |
| 15:08.27 | liable | if you want a fast linux box, dont run gnome! :P |
| 15:08.33 | Slyboots | installed Xorg, but now it wont load up "Fatal server error! : No core pointer" |
| 15:08.43 | abrotman | Slyboots: which kernel? and what mouse device? |
| 15:08.48 | Slyboots | But xserver-xorg-input-mouse is already installed |
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| 15:08.53 | liable | Slyboots: moose problems |
| 15:08.55 | tzbishop | xorgconfig should work |
| 15:09.07 | liable | noOOO! |
| 15:09.09 | abrotman | liable: you're a sick sick man! .. leave god's creatures alone! |
| 15:09.14 | Slyboots | its a just a normal USB mouse, kernal is 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 15:09.18 | liable | !moo |
| 15:09.18 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 15:09.21 | abrotman | Slyboots: is mousedev loaded ? |
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| 15:09.46 | Slyboots | mousedev? |
| 15:09.48 | amc | Slyboots, i got the same error, i've just copy the knoppix's xorg.conf to the debian and it worked :) but i'm sure this isn't the best way :D |
| 15:09.55 | amc | copied* |
| 15:10.10 | liable | abrotman: god created them for our enjoyment! |
| 15:10.12 | abrotman | Slyboots: it's a kernel module |
| 15:10.18 | abrotman | liable: that's why we have zoos! |
| 15:10.27 | abrotman | it's like a brothel for kiwis |
| 15:10.30 | liable | abrotman: but you cant get intio the cages |
| 15:11.15 | liable | heh, now i can share my home movies in qemu with windows(TM) |
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| 15:11.19 | abrotman | liable: eh .. i see it on the news all the time! |
| 15:11.24 | Slyboots | Seems so |
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| 15:11.55 | liable | ack, the advertising is frying my brain |
| 15:12.19 | USmarine | Slyboots, tried using a more recent kernel? |
| 15:12.32 | Slyboots | ... and now its loading |
| 15:12.38 | Slyboots | thats kind of weird.. |
| 15:13.00 | Slyboots | I didnt do anything.. |
| 15:13.44 | killown | it has as I to use kazaa in linux? |
| 15:13.58 | liable | huh? |
| 15:14.08 | petemc | i think he wants to use kazaa in l00nicks |
| 15:14.27 | liable | lollercopter |
| 15:14.31 | petemc | !gift |
| 15:14.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gift is a modular peer-to-peer file sharing daemon, with plugins for OpenFT and Gnutella, and others unofficially (including FastTrack). Now in sid! ubersimple! See also gift.sourceforge.net and channels #gift and #gift-fasttrack. |
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| 15:14.36 | petemc | is that still relevant? |
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| 15:15.19 | Slyboots | Okay, Its not loading mousedev at boot for some reason |
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| 15:15.22 | nixie | i swear by mldonkey but its big fat and huge |
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| 15:15.32 | Slyboots | ... And the mouse does not work inside X |
| 15:15.35 | Slyboots | Fantastic |
| 15:15.42 | petemc | my isp provides free access to usenet binaries |
| 15:15.49 | GeorgeS069 | Slyboots : unplug the mouse and plug it in again |
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| 15:16.07 | liable | Slyboots: do you have xorg-input-mouse? |
| 15:16.15 | liable | or similar |
| 15:16.15 | Slyboots | Yes I do liable |
| 15:16.52 | Slyboots | Reattaching the mouse did nothing |
| 15:16.54 | liable | Slyboots: then change your moose dev in xorg |
| 15:16.54 | abrotman | Slyboots: put mousedev in your /etc/modules .. and tell X you want to use /dev/input/mice |
| 15:17.13 | Slyboots | isnet mousedev just for ps/2 connected mice? |
| 15:17.21 | faber3 | can i use /etc/hosts to set an alias for a domain ? |
| 15:18.05 | Slyboots | "mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" |
| 15:18.09 | petemc | faber3: yes |
| 15:18.16 | Slyboots | How does that help if Im using a USB connected mouse |
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| 15:18.33 | liable | !usb mouse |
| 15:18.33 | dpkg | [usb mouse] "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
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| 15:18.42 | liable | meh |
| 15:18.45 | gavagai | i've been reading up on iptables, lartc howto, all that good stuff, and i'm starting to understand about prioritizing/shaping traffic. but can iptables simple create bandwidth limits as well? prioritizing isn't enough in my case, i want iptables to say: 100kbps/second for all ftp traffic, and no more. |
| 15:18.51 | Slyboots | !usbmouse |
| 15:18.51 | dpkg | i guess usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 15:18.54 | faber3 | petemc: any how. i have a foo.dyndns.org which i want to ping using "bar" |
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| 15:19.16 | faber3 | petemc: any how -->> and how? |
| 15:19.22 | faber3 | petemc: already tired |
| 15:19.24 | petemc | faber3: man hosts |
| 15:19.37 | gavagai | i have three computers behind a router and i need the ftp server to have a hard bandwidth cap |
| 15:20.02 | faber3 | petemc: but you know what i mean and you know its possible? |
| 15:20.22 | petemc | faber3: you'll need to constantly update the ip in /etc/hosts |
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| 15:20.40 | Slyboots | Ahh there we go |
| 15:20.49 | Slyboots | Hotplug was not installed.. not quite sure why that was the case |
| 15:21.16 | liable | because udev replaced it? |
| 15:21.26 | faber3 | petemc: i dont want that |
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| 15:21.28 | Slyboots | Well udev was not doing a very good job was it :P |
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| 15:21.34 | petemc | faber3: i gathered that |
| 15:21.35 | dmesg | hi |
| 15:21.45 | eps | what is the switch that gets glxgears to dump an fps? |
| 15:21.50 | dmesg | how can i set one like this on my server? http://cowpig.ca/system/ |
| 15:21.53 | faber3 | petemc: so may be a shell alias will do |
| 15:21.54 | abrotman | because hotplug and udev conflict |
| 15:22.09 | cureless | eps: I believe the short version is -printfps |
| 15:22.23 | eps | thanks |
| 15:22.23 | cureless | !glxgears |
| 15:22.24 | dpkg | from memory, glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 15:22.33 | cureless | eps: that's the long version |
| 15:22.43 | petemc | dmesg: as per the link at the bottom of that page, install phpsysinfo |
| 15:22.48 | eps | mmm odd |
| 15:22.52 | eps | thanks cureless, it works |
| 15:23.10 | dmesg | petemc ok :D |
| 15:23.50 | Devass | i'm making a linux router with debian sarge, so i put ip_forward=yes at /etc/network/options, add the rule iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d 0/0 -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE, everything were fine until i update with apt-get, it says /etc/network/options is deprecated. So, after ask here, i uncommented ip_forward at sysctl.conf, but still didn't work, what can i do? |
| 15:23.51 | liable | oh, so thats not a bug.. |
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| 15:24.55 | liable | hahaha, thats retarded, wtf made that flag |
| 15:25.23 | liable | deadcat_: oi |
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| 15:26.01 | gavagai | i need a suggestion on how to get a poor man's traffic shaping. my router can't do it, and my ftp server just kills network performance. is there a quick and dirty way to make the server box limit itself to a bandwidth ceiling? |
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| 15:26.50 | petemc | gavagai: trickle is a user space bandwidth shaper, if that helps |
| 15:27.40 | Dantix | I trying to install mysql-server from backports.org and dpkg give me this output http://pastebin.com/710864, anyone can give me an idea why itÅ› happens? |
| 15:27.42 | liable | Fser: turn that off, or you will prolly get battered with a rubber trungeon by an op |
| 15:27.45 | gavagai | petemc, thanks! i have read about that, but i am just clueless as to how it would work with a server. so on the commandline i can do 'trickle foo', and that will limit the app foo. but what about a server? proftpd can run 'standalone' (daemon?) or start from inetd. either way, do you have any idea how i would start it from trickle? |
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| 15:28.12 | petemc | gavagai: doesnt proftpd have that functionality built in>? |
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| 15:28.40 | gavagai | petemc, it claims to but in my case it works terribly. it has a directive called 'transferrate', which i've succesfully set, but nonetheless every 3 seconds it spikes and takes *ALL* my bandwidth |
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| 15:29.01 | tzbishop | gggg... i had to install xscreensaver and mplayerplug-in is workin' now |
| 15:29.11 | gavagai | from the client side transferrate seems to work but on the serverside you can monitor the connection and see the spikes |
| 15:29.16 | tzbishop | thanks everybody |
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| 15:29.55 | gavagai | i tried pure-ftpd and had these same spikes |
| 15:30.12 | nixie | Dantix: "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)" - never seen that before |
| 15:30.39 | oelewapperke | I have a problem and I don't really know how to start solving it |
| 15:30.40 | oelewapperke | palantir:/usr/lib/X11/fonts# apt-get install --reinstall xfonts-75dpi |
| 15:30.43 | oelewapperke | dies with |
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| 15:30.46 | oelewapperke | warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi does not exist or is not a directory |
| 15:30.48 | Dantix | nixie: sounds very bad for me |
| 15:30.53 | oelewapperke | if I mkdir that directory |
| 15:31.00 | oelewapperke | then I get the same warning, but twice |
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| 15:31.28 | liable | oelewapperke: hrm, had you deleted some file previously? |
| 15:31.29 | stew | oelewapperke: which version of debian are you running? |
| 15:31.44 | oelewapperke | liable: yes |
| 15:32.01 | oelewapperke | testing/unstable |
| 15:32.07 | liable | oelewapperke: you naughty boy! |
| 15:32.14 | liable | !confmiss |
| 15:32.14 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 15:32.17 | stew | no |
| 15:32.19 | stew | not a confmiss |
| 15:32.23 | liable | oh |
| 15:32.31 | liable | !slap me |
| 15:32.37 | stew | those fonts should be going into /usr/share/ now |
| 15:32.45 | stew | liable: at least, i think so |
| 15:33.10 | stew | oelewapperke: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy x11-common xfonts-75dpi" |
| 15:33.11 | oelewapperke | liable: same issue |
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| 15:34.13 | oelewapperke | stew: http://pastebin.com/710891 |
| 15:34.33 | oelewapperke | the whole /usr/lib/X11/fonts dir stays empty |
| 15:34.37 | Fser | liable-> sorry .. :D |
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| 15:35.01 | liable | stew: i still have that directory, but i have lost track of what should be where and whats a symlink. :) |
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| 15:35.24 | liable | Fser: no problem, do it again and we send in the robots! :P |
| 15:35.30 | stew | liable: when i "dpkg -L xfonts-75dpi" it doesn't look like it should touch /usr/lib/ |
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| 15:35.56 | Fser | liable-> I like seeing my away time, but I cant show it only on desire serv :) |
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| 15:36.24 | stew | oh its probably a preinst postinst or something |
| 15:36.35 | liable | Fser: but really, dont do it here, it will get you +b, its a channel rule :) |
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| 15:37.02 | Fser | I've understood :) |
| 15:37.13 | dendrite | Fser: Can you imagine if all 700 people currently in this channel all had away messages on? |
| 15:37.38 | Fser | of course not, I know it, but I'de just forgotten to disable it :) |
| 15:37.54 | dendrite | Fser: :-) |
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| 15:38.10 | Fser | I wont do it anymore. promess |
| 15:39.01 | liable | stew: yerp, same here actually, but i still have a lib dir of em... i wonder if thats a leftover of a bad remove script..? |
| 15:39.48 | dendrite | liable: dpkg -S /canonical/filename will tell you if a file belongs to an installed package. |
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| 15:40.50 | stew | liable: hrm, i have a /usr/lib/X11/fonts which is a synlink into the (should be no longer existant) X11R6 directory |
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| 15:41.31 | liable | stew: hrm, i got full dir, i was thinking the symlink thing, but nope, its a proper dir |
| 15:41.41 | stew | oelewapperke: you might try adding a "set -x" to the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/xfonts-75dpi, and --reinstall again and see where exactly it is dying |
| 15:41.54 | stew | oelewapperke: and you should file a bug: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 15:41.56 | liable | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 2006-04-14 17:10 75dpi |
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| 15:43.19 | liable | dendrite: returns zilch |
| 15:43.28 | Devass | i'm making a linux router with debian sarge, so i put ip_forward=yes at /etc/network/options, add the rule iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d 0/0 -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE, everything were fine until i update with apt-get, it says /etc/network/options is deprecated. So, after ask here, i uncommented ip_forward at sysctl.conf, but still didn't work, what can i do? |
| 15:44.15 | liable | therefore i guess they are leftovers of the 7 upgrade maybe. i did have a lot of fucking around with it when it came out |
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| 15:44.38 | stew | Devass: as long as "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" returns a 1, that isn't the problem |
| 15:44.41 | GeorgeS069 | I'm instaling debian stable and setting up sw raid5 on the drives and I was wondering should I just install from the image at http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or finish the normal install and then upgrade the kernel? I need ATI chipset support for my IDE drives |
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| 15:45.39 | liable | GeorgeS069: if you can actually install from the official cd, then do that and upgrade after, unless its a total pita |
| 15:45.58 | Devass | stew but what could be the problem them? |
| 15:46.27 | stew | Devass: what are the policies in the three chains of the filter table? |
| 15:46.30 | liable | stew: you have nothing in /usr/lib/ for fonts anymore? |
| 15:46.38 | GeorgeS069 | liable: it's slow but,do-able...the drives run super slow on 2.6.8 kernel...I started this almost 12 hours ago...still installing and building the arrays :( |
| 15:46.47 | liable | i think i need to do a clean up i guess.. |
| 15:46.57 | liable | GeorgeS069: ouch |
| 15:47.16 | GeorgeS069 | best guess is about 2 days to finish the arrays |
| 15:47.22 | Devass | stew accept |
| 15:47.35 | stew | liable: oh, hmm. i have fonts -> ../../X11R6/lib/X11/fonts |
| 15:47.39 | liable | GeorgeS069: thats not really acceptable. |
| 15:47.43 | stew | liable: which means i need a cleanup, i shouldn't have a X11R6 anymore |
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| 15:48.32 | liable | stew: heh, there was linkage borkage there from the start, i dunno what should be there anymore :( |
| 15:48.51 | GeorgeS069 | I have the iso from http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm should I just burn that and start over?it's not really the time I'm worried about but,I want to be sure the arrays are stable |
| 15:48.59 | liable | i had to remove shit then link shit, and its been happily working since, i forgot :) |
| 15:49.02 | stew | liable: yeah, me neither |
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| 15:49.22 | Zeroth405 | I'm about to write a program to keep track of file backups and monitor changes in the original over time. keeping information such as path, modify date & time, ownership, permissions, md5sum, size, last date integrity was configmed, etc. I'd just like to make sure that there isn't already a program to do this so I don't waste my time :-) |
| 15:49.40 | Devass | stew should i install woody? |
| 15:49.48 | stew | Devass: i'm not sure then, maybe try without the "-d 0/0 -o ppp0"? (it should work without them) (but then again, it probably should work with them). otherwise, maybe ask #iptables |
| 15:49.52 | stew | Devass: certainly not |
| 15:50.12 | Ronin | Devass: why? |
| 15:50.34 | Devass | stew cause sarge was fine before the update.. |
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| 15:51.06 | stew | Devass: which update? |
| 15:51.13 | Devass | stew i dont know why so much changes =( was working.. i'm gonna cry |
| 15:51.38 | Devass | stew i installed sarge, so, everything works |
| 15:51.49 | Ronin | what update? |
| 15:51.58 | Devass | then i did apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 15:52.28 | Devass | and.. after that, my masq didn't work anymore |
| 15:52.30 | stew | Devass: what version if iptables do you have, and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:52.43 | stew | Devass: ppp0 is definately the correct interface? |
| 15:52.48 | Devass | stew iptables 1.3.3 |
| 15:52.57 | stew | Devass: you aren't running sarge |
| 15:53.04 | stew | !info iptables sarge |
| 15:53.07 | dpkg | iptables: (Linux kernel 2.4+ iptables administration tools), section net, is important. Version: 1.2.11-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 372 kB, Installed size: 1240 kB |
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| 15:53.29 | stew | Devass: it seems you have (at least partially) migrated to testing or unstable |
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| 15:53.55 | Devass | stew i just add sources from apt-setup.. |
| 15:54.09 | Ronin | Devass: paste you sources list to paster or pastebin |
| 15:54.41 | Devass | Ronin the box is not here right now, but is testing |
| 15:54.55 | stew | Devass: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:54.57 | Devass | Debian testing/unstable |
| 15:55.14 | Ronin | heh problem 1 i bet Devass :) |
| 15:55.24 | liable | oelewapperke: so, how much stuff did you delete and why did you delete it to get this problem? |
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| 15:55.52 | liable | 14mins to go! |
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| 15:56.23 | wamty | how do install k3b with apt? |
| 15:56.23 | wamty | apt-get install k3b |
| 15:56.24 | wamty | ? |
| 15:56.25 | Ronin | wamty: apt-get install |
| 15:56.31 | Devass | Ronin any suggestion? |
| 15:56.32 | liable | yerp |
| 15:56.38 | wamty | ty |
| 15:57.03 | Silent_al | Ronin :o live stream of what? |
| 15:57.23 | Ronin | Silent_al: im killing bandwidth watching a stream of the world cup :)\ |
| 15:57.42 | Silent_al | Ronin, thru linux? :ooo |
| 15:57.56 | Ronin | Silent_al: not right now but its possible in linux as well |
| 15:58.37 | Silent_al | Ronin, i take it you're using one of those p2p streaming apps? |
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| 15:58.53 | Ronin | Silent_al: tvuplayer |
| 15:59.17 | Ronin | mplayer on linux i see |
| 15:59.54 | Ronin | although im sure totem etc can do it as well |
| 16:00.15 | liable | Ronin: where you get world cup stream? |
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| 16:00.36 | GeorgeS069 | screw it...gonna use the new iso |
| 16:00.47 | Ronin | liable: ##world-cup-2006 and in the topic is the link |
| 16:00.53 | GeorgeS069 | is this a "net install"?? it's only 137mb's |
| 16:01.34 | liable | Ronin: it works now? |
| 16:01.50 | Ronin | liable: yep theyjust kicked off |
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| 16:02.07 | oelewapperke | liable: I found the "bug" the "freenx" package comes with compiled-in font dirs |
| 16:02.31 | liable | Ronin: cool, it didnt work the other night when oz was playing :( |
| 16:02.38 | liable | oelewapperke: sweet |
| 16:03.17 | liable | Ronin: who is playing now? |
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| 16:03.32 | Ronin | england - trinadad/tobago |
| 16:03.37 | neuro_damage | how would I figure out what binary is part of what package? |
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| 16:03.43 | neuro_damage | is there a way to od this |
| 16:03.49 | neuro_damage | Ronin: uh oh footie |
| 16:03.53 | stew | neuro_damage: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:03.56 | sandman | I heard security.debian.org works for testing, now. Is this true? |
| 16:04.05 | Ronin | sandman: yes |
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| 16:05.40 | GeorgeS069 | Oh yeah...MUCHO faster |
| 16:05.58 | abrotman | sandman: /msg dpkg testing security |
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| 16:06.04 | neuro_damage | ty stew again |
| 16:06.25 | GeorgeS069 | I might actually have it all setup today now:) |
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| 16:06.37 | sandman | Yay |
| 16:07.24 | GeorgeS069 | speeds for the arrays went from 700K/sec up to 25000K/sec |
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| 16:07.57 | liable | GeorgeS069: thats more bettere :) |
| 16:08.09 | liable | r |
| 16:08.13 | GeorgeS069 | now since I used this newer kernel does that mean I'm not "stable" any longer? |
| 16:08.56 | liable | yes and no |
| 16:09.16 | GeorgeS069 | lol...ok |
| 16:09.20 | liable | GeorgeS069: you wont get debian security updates ofr it :( |
| 16:09.53 | GeorgeS069 | for the kernel you mean? |
| 16:10.12 | liable | GeorgeS069: i spose backports is needed to be tracked too with yaird and such |
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| 16:10.32 | liable | yes, and the other building stuff for it |
| 16:10.43 | firew0rks | where should I set $PATH, in /etc/profile or in /etc/environment? |
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| 16:11.03 | GeorgeS069 | Well,eventually 2.6.15 will be in stable:) |
| 16:11.03 | Slyboots | Hmm, What is Debian unstable called these days? |
| 16:11.06 | Slyboots | etch? |
| 16:11.14 | petemc | Slyboots: its always sid |
| 16:11.14 | firew0rks | sid |
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| 16:11.28 | GeorgeS069 | Etch is testing I think |
| 16:11.40 | firew0rks | yup |
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| 16:11.55 | abrotman | currently etch is testing .. it will be released as stable one day |
| 16:12.04 | Slyboots | Okay, So sid then.. Thanks |
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| 16:12.10 | seanh | can anyone answer some simple samba questions, or is this not the kinda channel for that |
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| 16:12.17 | firew0rks | anyone know where I should set the path (/etc/profile or in /etc/environment) |
| 16:12.23 | Ronin | seanh: best just to ask the question |
| 16:12.25 | abrotman | seanh: there is #samba .. is it on a Debian system ? |
| 16:12.26 | GeorgeS069 | and all will rejoice at having stable installs that support ATI chipsets :) |
| 16:12.31 | seanh | yeah, it's on deb |
| 16:12.35 | liable | sid is always sid and never will be anything but sid :) |
| 16:12.48 | octoberdan | Will debian be switching over to using Sun's JVM as its default JVM? |
| 16:12.49 | abrotman | they should codename experimental .. maybe to FUBAR |
| 16:12.50 | seanh | #samba is big, i'll try there first, thanks |
| 16:13.06 | formorer | octoberdan: its non-free crap |
| 16:13.09 | formorer | octoberdan: so: no |
| 16:13.12 | abrotman | octoberdan: the license is questionable(and pretty crappy) .. unknown at this point |
| 16:13.20 | liable | octoberdan: it seems we have, so yes :P |
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| 16:13.20 | Slyboots | No security update for SID> |
| 16:13.22 | Slyboots | ? |
| 16:13.30 | Ronin | Slyboots: no |
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| 16:13.31 | formorer | liable: you are lying |
| 16:13.42 | octoberdan | What's the default JVM at this poimt? |
| 16:13.49 | formorer | non-free is not a part of debian |
| 16:13.54 | stew | octoberdan: until they release it under a dfsg compliant license, sun's jvm cannot be included in debian |
| 16:13.55 | formorer | octoberdan: kaffe |
| 16:13.55 | abrotman | octoberdan: the java jdk is in unstable currently .. but it may get pulled out because the license is a pile of crap |
| 16:14.06 | abrotman | sablevm? |
| 16:14.11 | abrotman | gcj? |
| 16:14.15 | stew | octoberdan: there isn't a default jvm, "/msg dpkg install java" will tell you how to get a list of jvms in debian |
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| 16:14.21 | firew0rks | abrotman: where should I set path? /etc/profile or /etc/environment |
| 16:14.38 | octoberdan | I'm just fact checking on an argument I had in ##java |
| 16:14.43 | abrotman | firew0rks: /etc/profile probably |
| 16:14.50 | abrotman | octoberdan: what was the argument ? |
| 16:14.57 | stew | !dw octoberdan Java/Sun |
| 16:14.58 | dpkg | octoberdan: http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 16:15.05 | liable | formorer: lying is such a strong word, maybe misunderstood would be better... |
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| 16:15.25 | formorer | you are telling wrong things, better? |
| 16:15.27 | firew0rks | stew: where would you set $PATH? |
| 16:15.31 | abrotman | liable: besides the fact that non-free isn't technically part of debian .. the license for the sun jdk is garbage |
| 16:15.36 | stew | firew0rks: in ~/.profile |
| 16:15.44 | abrotman | firew0rks: do you want it systemwide ? |
| 16:15.50 | octoberdan | abrotman: They were hardcore against debian because debian uses gcj which doesn't run all java code |
| 16:15.58 | firew0rks | abrotman / stew : system-wide yes |
| 16:16.06 | abrotman | octoberdan: so install sun's jdk .. i don't see the problem ... |
| 16:16.08 | stew | firew0rks: /etc/profile |
| 16:16.09 | octoberdan | abrotman: Or somthing like that |
| 16:16.10 | formorer | octoberdan: give us free java and we are happy to include it |
| 16:16.14 | octoberdan | abrotman: That's what I said! |
| 16:16.14 | abrotman | !tell octoberdan about install java |
| 16:16.14 | jorgp | what is the develop gcc version in sid? |
| 16:16.15 | liable | well, when someone says is it in debian, you kinda sy yes if its non-fre.. |
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| 16:16.17 | abrotman | !tell octoberdan about java-package |
| 16:16.17 | firew0rks | alright |
| 16:16.19 | jorgp | default |
| 16:16.23 | formorer | octoberdan: debian is about free software, not about non-free stuff |
| 16:16.32 | octoberdan | formorer: Exactly. |
| 16:16.41 | liable | excuse me for not being fsf friendly |
| 16:16.41 | bai | hrm, so I'm trying to pin a package, but apt is still insisting on upgrading it - I'm not actually clear on why it's trying to update it either. I installed a custom version of teapop-mysql version 0.3.7-3, but apt-get upgrade keeps insisting on removing it and installing its own version |
| 16:16.43 | abrotman | jorgp: http://packages.debian.org/gcc |
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| 16:16.45 | octoberdan | formorer: They just completely missed the point |
| 16:16.46 | bai | same version number |
| 16:16.53 | stew | bai: /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:17.01 | bai | ah cool, thanks |
| 16:17.01 | jorgp | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:17.46 | formorer | octoberdan: I can also say that linux can't execute all windows binaries, or not all osx binaries. So their point is useless :) |
| 16:17.49 | abrotman | what distros do include sun's JDK by default ? |
| 16:17.50 | locus | hi, sarge doesn't have a /etc/shadow file only a /etc/passwd (with enc. passwords), right? (regardless what 'man passwd' says) |
| 16:17.57 | octoberdan | formorer: hehe |
| 16:18.01 | bai | much better, thanks stew |
| 16:18.08 | octoberdan | formorer: Well, not completely... |
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| 16:18.12 | stew | bai: although if you created a custom version, you should have also bumpped the version number to a nmu style version number too, how did you create the custom pacakge? with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 16:18.23 | formorer | octoberdan: their is currently no solution for all ponts |
| 16:18.26 | formorer | eh points |
| 16:18.30 | octoberdan | formorer: Java is supposed to be platform independent. They are pissed at the choice of JVM, not necisarily that it isn't Suns |
| 16:18.32 | bai | stew, yeah |
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| 16:18.37 | abrotman | stew: no more wang! |
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| 16:19.00 | bai | stew, what's the recommended versioning convention when you modify existing packages? |
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| 16:19.05 | formorer | octoberdan: their is no alternative |
| 16:19.09 | octoberdan | formorer: kaffe |
| 16:19.14 | formorer | octoberdan: we have kaffe |
| 16:19.25 | abrotman | kaffe is lacking .. kind of .. last i knew it was java1.1 compliant |
| 16:19.28 | formorer | and also gcj |
| 16:19.37 | octoberdan | formorer: Acording to them, gcj was the default |
| 16:19.39 | formorer | abrotman: yeah, but its in development |
| 16:19.44 | stew | bai: next time, you should probably run "dch --nmu" from the source dir before building, and if you are customizing a package with version 1.2.3-1 make your version something like "1.2.3-1.1bai" or "1.2.3-1+somepatch" so that the two versions are distinguishable |
| 16:19.45 | formorer | octoberdan: we have no "default" |
| 16:19.51 | abrotman | i tried to run a JSP site off of tomcat and kaffe .. failed horribly |
| 16:19.55 | formorer | octoberdan: you are free to install whatever you wan't |
| 16:20.04 | octoberdan | formorer: Again, that's what I said... |
| 16:20.16 | formorer | octoberdan: if you install basesystem, there is no java at all. So there is no default |
| 16:20.17 | bai | stew: ok, thanks, I'll keep that in mind |
| 16:20.18 | octoberdan | formorer: They just don't get it, I guess |
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| 16:20.54 | leafw | is there any way to list all env vars set in a terminal? |
| 16:21.01 | formorer | env |
| 16:21.05 | stew | leafw: type "set" |
| 16:21.09 | leafw | thanks |
| 16:21.24 | seanh | any idea why (using swat) for samba, i get no configuration options when i log in? |
| 16:21.57 | octoberdan | "they have long enough sabotaged and damaged java" |
| 16:22.05 | abrotman | who has? |
| 16:22.11 | octoberdan | abrotman: Debian, aparently |
| 16:22.12 | octoberdan | hehe |
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| 16:22.17 | formorer | octoberdan: rotfl, forget them. They don't know what they are talking about |
| 16:22.21 | bai | stew, what package would dch be in? |
| 16:22.40 | abrotman | octoberdan: right .. i think sun has done that on their own |
| 16:22.45 | liable | seanh: log into it as root when it asks |
| 16:22.50 | stew | bai: devscripts |
| 16:22.52 | sandman | I installed X Development files, but compiling wine from source still doesn't. Also: debian:/home/s# apt-get build-dep wine returns with E: Build-dependencies for wine could not be satisfied. I'm not sure building X is going to work here :/ |
| 16:23.07 | seanh | liable: oh ok thanks |
| 16:23.27 | seanh | liable: i feel weird using root for anthing over the web |
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| 16:23.59 | liable | seanh: yeah, thats a good thing :), but its local so its not so bad. |
| 16:24.08 | seanh | liable: any idea how to log out? |
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| 16:25.02 | bai | stew, and should I be editing debian/control to set the version number, or is there a cleaner way? |
| 16:25.12 | liable | seanh: no, i havent played with swat for some time, and thats prolly the one thing that i did remeber :) |
| 16:25.30 | seanh | had to close my browser, that did it |
| 16:25.39 | stew | bai: version number is in changelog, not control. dch is the cleaner way, |
| 16:25.49 | bai | oh ok, so it's automatically updated then |
| 16:25.50 | liable | well, yeah, that'll do it |
| 16:26.10 | Aw0L | is there an easy way to add mysql support in php? - I installed php4-mysql, and uncommented the mysql.so extension in /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
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| 16:26.13 | Aw0L | what am I missing? |
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| 16:26.48 | formorer | Aw0L: restarting apache? |
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| 16:27.38 | sandman | Will "deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free" work in sources.list as well as etch/updates? |
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| 16:28.27 | formorer | yes |
| 16:28.31 | liable | 8mins to go! |
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| 16:29.48 | GeorgeS069 | wow...holy crap...after the reboot the array speed is up to 88000K/sec |
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| 16:30.17 | GeorgeS069 | mucho betterer |
| 16:31.25 | liable | GeorgeS069: theres a /proc entry that can increase spead to, lemme see if i can rember what it is :) |
| 16:31.41 | Aw0L | formorer, that doesn't help, but phpinfo() tells me that php was compiled "--without-mysql" |
| 16:32.00 | madclicker | amyone usinng kmail? |
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| 16:32.10 | mrkris | kmail is the devil |
| 16:32.12 | stew | Aw0L: and php4-mysql is installed? |
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| 16:32.25 | GeorgeS069 | better,stronger,faster....I'm loving debian more each day:) |
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| 16:32.49 | Mitja | Any ex-ubuntu users here? |
| 16:32.53 | formorer | Aw0L: sure it was, look a little bit deeper it there is a extension |
| 16:33.01 | formorer | eh if |
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| 16:33.11 | Sonderblade | is there a debian package for Trac? |
| 16:33.15 | GeorgeS069 | I used my stable DVD's as the apt sources...is that ok? |
| 16:33.18 | mrkris | Mitja: I am |
| 16:33.30 | Mitja | mrkris, are you still using it? |
| 16:33.35 | mrkris | Mitja: nope |
| 16:33.37 | formorer | Sonderblade: sure, and guess, its named trac |
| 16:33.38 | stew | Sonderblade: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:33.38 | Aw0L | stew, php4-mysql is installed |
| 16:33.41 | Mitja | mrkris, why not? |
| 16:33.56 | formorer | Aw0L: can you show me you phpinfo() output? |
| 16:33.58 | mrkris | Mitja: bloated, etc. Debian works just fine w/ etch + XFCE |
| 16:34.33 | mrkris | Mitja: I prefer simple + lightweight :D |
| 16:34.51 | Sonderblade | formorer: oh, it was not trivial searching for it with apt-cache |
| 16:34.52 | Mitja | kiss is the way :) |
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| 16:35.01 | mrkris | :D |
| 16:35.03 | Mitja | meaning KISS |
| 16:35.05 | Aw0L | formorer, http://pastebin.com/711013 |
| 16:35.11 | stew | Sonderblade: apt-cache --names-only trac |
| 16:35.21 | formorer | Aw0L: this is cli |
| 16:35.50 | formorer | Aw0L: and its not complete |
| 16:35.53 | Sonderblade | stew: only 69 hits then |
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| 16:35.58 | formorer | Aw0L: the configure line has nothing to say |
| 16:36.04 | Aw0L | formorer, I copied it from the webpage - it's an internal server and would take too much to reconfigure the router |
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| 16:36.24 | formorer | Aw0L: but its not complete |
| 16:36.24 | GeorgeS069 | liable : any luck finding that /proc seting? |
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| 16:36.48 | Mitja | mrkris, but could one also put X on it? |
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| 16:36.59 | Mitja | X.org rather |
| 16:37.02 | WizCraker | is it easier to build x.org from cvs or tarball? |
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| 16:37.15 | stew | WizCraker: its easier to use apt-get install |
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| 16:37.59 | liable | GeorgeS069: i have qemu building an install atm and even irssi is lagging like you wouldnt beieve, am looking though, its very painfull :( |
| 16:38.36 | GeorgeS069 | ok...no rush...I'll be here all day most likely...thank you for trying |
| 16:38.46 | Aw0L | formorer, http://oobii.com/phpinfo.php.html |
| 16:38.49 | WizCraker | stew: okay, is 7.1 available throught that method? |
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| 16:39.16 | formorer | Aw0L: please scroll down and look to the magic informations of the mysql module |
| 16:39.21 | formorer | Client API version 4.0.24 |
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| 16:40.48 | Aw0L | formorer, so that means that it's working correctly? |
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| 16:41.13 | formorer | jipp |
| 16:41.32 | Aw0L | formorer, thanks - my problem must be elsewhere then... |
| 16:42.00 | formorer | nop |
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| 16:42.15 | liable | GeorgeS069: /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max |
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| 16:43.05 | amc | how i can make debian detect a program which i've installed from source? |
| 16:43.15 | liable | GeorgeS069: man mdadm for details iirc |
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| 16:43.18 | stew | amc: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 16:43.19 | formorer | amc: create a debian package |
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| 16:43.30 | formorer | amc: alternatively equivs, but thats not very nice |
| 16:43.37 | liable | GeorgeS069: though they are very sparce :) |
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| 16:43.42 | GeorgeS069 | liable : it's set at 200000 |
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| 16:44.14 | amc | thanks. i'll try |
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| 16:44.36 | liable | GeorgeS069: ya, thats the default, you can crank it to 500000 to get the array to build faster. |
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| 16:45.41 | liable | GeorgeS069: though i really dont know that much about it, don was mentioning it the other day so i had a bit of a peek at it, but as i say the mdadm docs dont cover it that well |
| 16:46.29 | GeorgeS069 | liable : do I just edit speed_limit_max? |
| 16:46.34 | GeorgeS069 | I am reading man mdadm now |
| 16:46.38 | liable | GeorgeS069: echo to it, yeah |
| 16:47.25 | liable | GeorgeS069: i dunno what it would do in the case of an array in progress though, i would be a bit carefull with it if i were you |
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| 16:48.21 | anibain | weird problem: two PCs connected to the same ADSL modem/router. PC A (debian unstable, dhcp3) ridiculous bandwidth (3 kb/s), PC B (w$ XP) normal bandwidth (100 kb/s). Why? |
| 16:48.43 | GeorgeS069 | liable : I think I'll wait and play with after they are all built |
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| 16:49.11 | Blissex | anibain: we are sorry, but our telepathic and clairvoyant advisors are all busy on other lines... |
| 16:49.18 | liable | GeorgeS069: well, something to google and consider. :) |
| 16:49.26 | anibain | Blissex, ??? |
| 16:49.37 | GeorgeS069 | liable : definately! |
| 16:49.43 | GeorgeS069 | thanks |
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| 16:50.49 | Blissex | anibain: if you may be content with the help of our advisors that are poor non-telepathic and non-clairvoyant cripples please help them with some more information... :-) |
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| 16:51.00 | anibain | Blissex, do you need more info? (I'm a newbie in networking) |
| 16:51.06 | stevenstremciuc | i tried installing debian for the first time yesterday and it didn't see the raid1 when it came time to partition. it just shows the 2 drives. is there a place during install (netinst cd) that you can specify additional drivers to load? |
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| 16:51.22 | Blissex | anibain: ideally yes, more info... |
| 16:51.29 | bcc_ | how can i start a standard installer on an box with existing distro if i want to install debian on a different drive? |
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| 16:51.43 | Blissex | anibain: for example, try to see if the speed between the Debian and XP PCs is good. |
| 16:51.58 | anibain | how |
| 16:52.13 | Blissex | anibain: however also note that using 'unstable' is only really for very advanced users that know Debian inside out... |
| 16:52.50 | Blissex | anibain: well, for example by using FTP to transfer a semi large files (let's say around 100MB) from Linux to XP and viceversa. Or HTTP |
| 16:53.05 | liable | stevenstremciuc: this may clear things up .. http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 16:53.45 | Blissex | anibain: also, use 'ifconfig' to look at the error statistics for 'eth0'. It may be that the cable is badly inserted or whatever and there are lots of errors |
| 16:54.00 | anibain | ok |
| 16:55.55 | anibain | Blissex: for eth0: RX packets:10450 errors:1806 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 16:56.13 | Blissex | anibain: look good. |
| 16:56.41 | liable | 6mins to go! |
| 16:56.41 | anibain | good? |
| 16:56.53 | Blissex | anibain: try to use 'mtr -t www.ubuntu.com' to see if any part of the path is dropping packets |
| 16:56.53 | bcc_ | is mbr always loaded from the first drive as found by the bios? |
| 16:57.18 | Blissex | anibain: not that good, actually, as that is like 20% error packets... But it should still work pretty decently. |
| 16:57.37 | Blissex | bcc_: depends on the BIOS. |
| 16:57.37 | Slyboots | Hm.. Udev is not configuring my mouse correctly |
| 16:57.47 | bcc_ | Blissex: what do you mean? |
| 16:57.48 | Slyboots | Every time I start Xorg, It crashes with "No Core pointer" |
| 16:58.05 | Blissex | Slyboots: perhaps it is X that is not configured right for your mouse... |
| 16:58.13 | bcc_ | Blissex: if i want to install os on the third drive and make it bootable, do i still need to write mrb onto the frist drive? |
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| 16:58.16 | Blissex | bcc_: some BIOSes can boot from any drive. |
| 16:58.16 | Slyboots | Possably, but if I install hotplug it suddenly works |
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| 16:58.29 | liable | stevenstremciuc: i though twe fixed you before? |
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| 16:58.35 | Blissex | bcc_: yes, on the first drive is the best idea. Avoids a lot of annoyance. |
| 16:58.46 | liable | ah, right, udev fuckage |
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| 16:58.58 | stevenstremciuc | liable, sorry you must have me mistaken for someone else |
| 16:59.01 | bcc_ | Blissex: and what does fdisk's bootable flag do? |
| 16:59.06 | stevenstremciuc | todays my first time in #debian |
| 16:59.10 | anibain | Blissex, I'm running mtr, but what should I look at? |
| 16:59.13 | bcc_ | Blissex: does it have anything to do with what bios uses to boot? |
| 16:59.15 | Blissex | bcc_: the 'root' partition in GNU/Linux is not ''special'', it can be just about anywhere. |
| 16:59.20 | Slyboots | Should I just use Hotplug over udev? |
| 16:59.39 | Blissex | bcc_: the 'boot' flag is only used by the MS Windows boot code. |
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| 16:59.50 | liable | stevenstremciuc: yes, nicktab fuckge :) sorry. |
| 16:59.57 | Blissex | Slyboots: thats a very complicated questions unfortunately. |
| 17:00.05 | bcc_ | Blissex: so there is no need to set any drive bootable with fdisk? |
| 17:00.26 | Blissex | Slyboots: depending on version and whim, 'hotplug' and 'udev' are complementary, incompatible, or the same thing. :-) |
| 17:00.47 | Slyboots | Well, what advantases does udev offer over hotplug? |
| 17:01.23 | Blissex | bcc_: depends which boot loader you use... if it is a GNU bootloader (e.g. LILO or GRUB) and not a MS Windows one the boot flag is ignored. |
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| 17:01.36 | Blissex | Slyboots: thats a crazy question unfortunately :-)/ |
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| 17:01.58 | Blissex | Slyboots: it is not really a matter of advantage, but of version and whim. In theory now they are the same thing. |
| 17:02.07 | liable | stevenstremciuc: it just replaces it. no more no less. nothing you can do about it if you keep an up to date system |
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| 17:02.24 | liable | someothernick: sorry again |
| 17:02.30 | Blissex | Slyboots: but again it depends exactly on which version you are using. I personally have both disabled. Autoconfig is not for real men :-) |
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| 17:03.20 | someothernick | ? |
| 17:03.22 | Slyboots | I see : P |
| 17:03.58 | liable | bah, my penis is bigger! |
| 17:04.36 | Blissex | Slyboots: no you don't see because the horror the horror of 'hotplug' and 'udev' is deep and if you were really 'seeing'' into it you would be screaming and unable to type... :-) |
| 17:04.43 | Ronin | well did i ever rejoin at the wrong time heh |
| 17:04.57 | shogunx | !penis |
| 17:04.58 | dpkg | from memory, penis is the male reproductive organ, or the male reproductive organ_ |
| 17:05.35 | Blissex | Slyboots: however, if you really beg I can tell you vague generalities... |
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| 17:05.48 | Slyboots | Vague generalities sounds good |
| 17:05.54 | shogunx | dpkg no penis is liable, the penis proclaimer |
| 17:05.54 | dpkg | okay, shogunx |
| 17:06.06 | shogunx | !penis |
| 17:06.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, penis is liable, the penis proclaimer |
| 17:06.12 | liable | !slap shogunx |
| 17:06.19 | shogunx | !lart liable |
| 17:06.35 | shogunx | hehe |
| 17:07.12 | anibain | Blissex, I'm running mtr, but what should I look at? loss % aren't very high (1-4 %) Is that ok? |
| 17:07.17 | liable | meh :( i dont want to start a bot war |
| 17:07.23 | Blissex | anibain: thats OK. |
| 17:07.29 | shogunx | just funning around liable. |
| 17:07.49 | Blissex | anibain: when is your bandwidth like 3kb/s |
| 17:07.49 | liable | :) |
| 17:07.53 | jorgp | where is a good place to see when xorg 7.1 will hit unstable |
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| 17:08.31 | anibain | Blissex, apt-get upgrade, and also when surfing (it's a bit lower than usual) |
| 17:08.58 | shogunx | jorgp, dh_make output:) |
| 17:09.00 | stew | jorgp: keep an eye on: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce it will go into experimental sometime soon, i believe xbase-clients either already went into experimental or is sitting in the NEW queue |
| 17:09.10 | liable | jorgp: ask a ftp master if its even in experimental |
| 17:09.13 | anibain | Blissex, lower/slower |
| 17:09.14 | Blissex | anibain: as to 'apt-get' it can be just that you have chosen a bad mirror. |
| 17:09.19 | jorgp | thanks guys |
| 17:09.28 | Blissex | anibain: lets try a test... |
| 17:09.36 | anibain | ok |
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| 17:09.51 | Blissex | anibain: wait a second for a URL to try... Have you got 'lftp' installed? |
| 17:10.03 | anibain | no |
| 17:10.21 | Blissex | anibain: install it, nice FTP client with informative statistics... |
| 17:10.21 | Slyboots | I've decied to turn my shuttlePC into a "Emulation" box |
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| 17:10.32 | Slyboots | You know, Mame.. Snes9x.. that sort of thing |
| 17:10.36 | merak | anyone know a command to identify the process that is using a device, like a cdrom for instnce |
| 17:10.49 | Blissex | Slyboots: there is the Game Knoppix variant that has got all that. |
| 17:10.57 | Slyboots | So Im curious, does anyone know a good GUI based frontend, that will deal with several .. eh? |
| 17:11.03 | liable | merak: lsof /dev/foo |
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| 17:11.12 | merak | thanks |
| 17:11.15 | Blissex | Slyboots: and a couple of other LiveCDs that are game oriented. And all these have nice frontends and so on. |
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| 17:11.52 | stevenstremciuc | what kernel version do stable install cd's come with? |
| 17:11.59 | anibain | Blissex, I'm installing it (at 997 B/s) |
| 17:12.12 | Blissex | anibain: thats pretty terrible indeed. |
| 17:12.31 | Blissex | anibain: BTW, are you doing any net traffic from any other PC on your net? |
| 17:12.36 | DerJamster | Slyboots: MASS |
| 17:12.51 | Slyboots | MASS? |
| 17:13.01 | DerJamster | Slyboots: From the makers of MAME. I think it starts several emulators. |
| 17:13.05 | DerJamster | Could be wrong tho. |
| 17:13.08 | Slyboots | Oh MESS |
| 17:13.11 | DerJamster | Ah :) |
| 17:13.13 | Slyboots | Yea, thats rubish :) |
| 17:13.13 | DerJamster | Yeah. |
| 17:13.14 | liable | grrr, qemu is pissing me off now |
| 17:13.17 | DerJamster | Slyboots: then..no idea. |
| 17:13.36 | roxy_ | How can I get a copy of each file in a directory and subdirectories, in the same directory than the original, wiht same name but with .txt at the end ? |
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| 17:14.09 | anibain | Blissex, I get the same results (more or less) with or without the w$ PC connected to the modem/router. But now the W$ PC is connected. Should I disconnect it? |
| 17:14.26 | Blissex | anibain: if it is not transferring, no problem. |
| 17:14.59 | Blissex | anibain: the problem I might have imagine is this: ADSL lines have a defect, that if they are 100% busy they become congested and very bad things happen. |
| 17:15.07 | DerJamster | roxy_: copy them, then do './find -type f -exec mv {} {}.txt \;' in the uppermost copied dir. |
| 17:15.12 | stevenstremciuc | it looks like my raid card has driver support since 2.4.20 according to this post http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/msg/70f69a050a1de66f so shouldn't it be available in debian 3.1 (2.4.27)? |
| 17:15.28 | DerJamster | roxy_: ahh...nevermind. one sec. |
| 17:15.31 | DerJamster | roxy_: misread :) |
| 17:15.52 | DerJamster | roxy_: don't copy anything. Just do find . -type f -exec cp {} {}.txt \; |
| 17:15.59 | Blissex | anibain: when you have installed 'lftp' start it, and then run 'lcd /tmp; get ftp://FTP.ES.Debian.org/debian/ls-lR.gz' |
| 17:16.42 | anibain | ok. Blissex, you're from spain? |
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| 17:16.53 | Blissex | anibain: just checked your /whois :-) |
| 17:17.05 | anibain | oh? :D |
| 17:17.15 | Blissex | anibain: also try 'get ftp://FTP.BE.Debian.org/debian/ls-lR.gz' to check another mirror which is faster from here... |
| 17:17.31 | Ronin | cant beleive i have to spend my time researching the noise levels of printers today |
| 17:17.54 | eSa| | has anyone succesfully upgraded to xorg-7.0 on amd64 |
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| 17:18.28 | Blissex | Ronin: quite an impotant subject for those sitting next to them :-). |
| 17:18.34 | liable | eSa|: try #debian-amd64 |
| 17:18.39 | Ronin | Blissex: thats problem one |
| 17:18.54 | formorer | Ronin: in short: yes |
| 17:18.58 | eSa| | ty ;) |
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| 17:19.07 | anibain | Blissex, prompt says command not found, and lftp is already installed... |
| 17:19.13 | roxy_ | DerJamster: fantastic, it worked, thanks. |
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| 17:19.32 | liable | eSa|: its a bit slow though, but be patient :) |
| 17:19.37 | Blissex | Ronin: I actually used to use an ear protector (3M 1435, excellent, even if a bit heavy) in most places I have worked. |
| 17:19.37 | liable | bah |
| 17:19.49 | Ronin | apparenlty my suggestion to my supervisor of moving the printer and getting the user off thier far arse |
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| 17:20.33 | Blissex | Ronin: or in-ear plugs, 3M 1100 are also excellent. |
| 17:20.37 | roxy_ | Anyone has been using Planner/muse mode in emacs ? I am looking for an equivalent in kde to be integrated with kontact. |
| 17:20.59 | Blissex | anibain: so what kind of download rate you seeing from the two mirrors? |
| 17:21.39 | anibain | Blissex, the commands don't work: lcd /tmp; get ftp://FTP.ES.Debian.org/debian/ls-lR.gz |
| 17:21.55 | DerJamster | roxy_: find is handy ;) |
| 17:22.02 | Blissex | anibain: «don't work» is not an awesome error report. |
| 17:22.05 | echostorm | hey guys :) im using debian etch, I FINALLY got my nvidia drivers working properly and everything seems kosher with that, however now i need to get my svideo out working properly for the tv. can anyone suggest a guide or something? gfound lots of ubuntu info but no actual debian spefic info and im afraidf that they may not be the same. |
| 17:22.16 | Blissex | echostorm: no you aren't using Debian Etch. |
| 17:22.26 | anibain | Blissex, command not found, for lcd and for get |
| 17:22.31 | echostorm | well , debian testing ii meant, sory. |
| 17:22.48 | roxy_ | DerJamster: I always get lost between find and grep invocation :/ |
| 17:22.59 | Blissex | echostorm: just being pernickety, but Debian 'testing' is not really a distribution either... :-) |
| 17:23.12 | Blissex | echostorm: however, your problem is really with the NVIDIA drivers. |
| 17:23.12 | echostorm | I forget that its not actually etch, Im used to seeing the name in relation to 'testing' |
| 17:23.41 | Blissex | echostorm: my point is that ''testing'' is a random collection of packages, a repository, not a coherent and tested distribution... |
| 17:23.52 | echostorm | I see your point. |
| 17:24.05 | Blissex | echostorm: anyhow, which NVIDIA drivers are you using? |
| 17:24.10 | GeorgeS069 | nobody here really uses anything anayway |
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| 17:24.31 | echostorm | i am using 8762 |
| 17:24.39 | echostorm | only one i actually got working |
| 17:25.06 | Blissex | echostorm: ahhh so thats the proprietary ones, which are ''temperamental''. Usually TV out works though. |
| 17:25.08 | echostorm | finally found a guide that was based on that bbuild. |
| 17:25.34 | Blissex | echostorm: some example of config with TV out here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/X11/ |
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| 17:26.04 | Blissex | echostorm: also, as usual, you provide very very little context to your whining. Like the card, what kind of PC, etc... never mind which driver. |
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| 17:27.43 | echostorm | truly sorry, I figured it was rather universal, and it looks that im right... thank you for the page link, ill have to save it - looks exactly the same as my notes from ubuntu |
| 17:28.01 | echostorm | well universal as far as xorg with this card anyway |
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| 17:30.23 | anibain | Blissex, the spanish one, 15 kb/s, the belgium one, 10 kb/s, very slow... (normal is between 75-105 kb/s) |
| 17:30.29 | kronoz | is the 12th june testing weekly build broken? i can't seem to install it properly, it says that there a mjor upgrade problems with xorg and fails the 'select and install software' step |
| 17:30.35 | Slyboots | Okay, I need a small.. fast frontend that will run on X |
| 17:30.45 | Slyboots | something light-weight |
| 17:31.28 | echostorm | ok gonna try it |
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| 17:31.47 | Blissex | anibain: thats very bad indeed. |
| 17:32.17 | Blissex | anibain: how do the error rates in 'ifconfig eth0' look like now? |
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| 17:32.52 | Blissex | anibain: also, put on pastebin.com the output of 'tracepath FTP.ES.Debian.org' |
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| 17:33.02 | Shamanboy | good for alll??? |
| 17:34.08 | anibain | Blissex, ifconfig eth0: RX packets:24370 errors:3466 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 17:34.40 | Blissex | anibain: yes, that error rate is not too good. Something is wrong electrically. |
| 17:34.57 | anibain | maybe the cable? |
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| 17:35.30 | anibain | Blissex, between the pc and the router? |
| 17:35.35 | GeorgeS069 | Blissex : try another port on the switch/hub maybe??or a new cable |
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| 17:35.49 | Blissex | anibain: yes, and do as GeorgeS069 suggests. |
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| 17:35.58 | anibain | ok |
| 17:36.08 | echostorm | hey :) it worked, thanx again. |
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| 17:36.35 | Blissex | anibain: my stats are like (and I use really cheap stuff): |
| 17:36.38 | Blissex | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.39 | Blissex | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.43 | GeorgeS069 | I never see any errors onmy eth0 and my cables are very old and home built:) |
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| 17:37.19 | Blissex | anibain: in theory TCP should work well even with significant % losses, but you are getting them a bit too high. |
| 17:37.37 | anibain | Blissex, yes, but my cable is awful (indeed, is not mine) |
| 17:37.46 | anibain | I'll try the other pc cable |
| 17:38.50 | humbolt | where can I get NX / freeNX packages for debian sarge? |
| 17:39.04 | humbolt | Including the libraries! |
| 17:39.11 | Blissex | humbolt: no idea, but have you tried bakcports.org? |
| 17:39.35 | humbolt | I tried that some time ago |
| 17:39.53 | zamolxes | !freenx |
| 17:39.53 | dpkg | freenx is, like, a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
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| 17:42.19 | jrwr | how do i with .htaccess redir a domain to another, ive got 2 domains going to the same account i want 1 domain to point to another folder, how would this be done with only .htaccess |
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| 17:42.31 | jeld | hello all |
| 17:42.36 | jrwr | how do i with .htaccess redir a domain to another, ive got 2 domains going to the same account i want 1 domain to point to another folder, how would this be done with only .htaccess |
| 17:42.37 | jeld | anyone here used ocfs2? |
| 17:42.55 | yawg | is the package "smtpd" what i need if i wanted to start my own mail server? |
| 17:43.08 | stew | yawg: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" say? |
| 17:44.04 | jrwr | sry about 2x posting, cliented lagged a bit |
| 17:44.28 | yawg | stew: exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 17:44.29 | stew | jrwr: something like "redirect 301 index.html http://some.other.domain/index.html" |
| 17:44.38 | stew | yawg: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:44.55 | jrwr | but, it needs to be slective, |
| 17:45.21 | stew | jrwr: you mean if they don't hit index.html they don't get the redirect? |
| 17:45.35 | jrwr | one domain goes to one folder, the other goes to the other |
| 17:45.42 | jrwr | folder |
| 17:45.58 | stew | jrwr: be more specific |
| 17:45.58 | jrwr | but also i need the path to be passed on too |
| 17:46.04 | jrwr | like so |
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| 17:46.11 | kronoz | hmm someone has to what the problem with xorg is in testing atm :p |
| 17:46.18 | stew | jrwr: use mod rewrite |
| 17:46.39 | roxy_ | DerJamster: aarrggh. I made a mistake, I need to undo will that work: find . -name "*\.txt" -type f -exec rm {} \; |
| 17:46.51 | anobain | Blissex, GeorgeS069 , it was the cable!!!! arghhh!!! thank you very much, guys! |
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| 17:46.59 | stew | jrwr: RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://some.other.domain/$1 [R,L] |
| 17:47.04 | jrwr | ultimateassains -> ua.otherdomain.com | woodysroom.com -> blah.blah.com |
| 17:47.07 | Blissex | anibain: yes, it looked like it. |
| 17:47.24 | stew | jrwr: then you need to add some RewriteCond's too |
| 17:47.34 | yawg | stew: it's asking for my "System mail name", do i want to put my ISP assigned WAN address or do i want to put my actual domain name that forwards to my WAN address, or should it be my LAN ip? |
| 17:48.25 | stew | yawg: the domain name |
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| 17:50.35 | GeorgeS069 | cool...glad we could help :) |
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| 17:52.41 | GeorgeS069 | liable : did you know those speed_limit_max and _min settings were per device....so theoretically you could really push the arrays to super fast speeds |
| 17:53.43 | GeorgeS069 | problem is the rest of the system would be crawling...starved for drive access |
| 17:53.52 | liable | GeorgeS069: i didnt look to far into it, but sounds like you are on the right track |
| 17:54.15 | liable | GeorgeS069: well, its only a rebuild thing os far as i understood it |
| 17:54.38 | GeorgeS069 | Seems it uses those settings to keep the array build/re-build from taking over 100% of disk access |
| 17:55.11 | GeorgeS069 | I'm still installing so I'll leave them alone:) |
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| 17:55.32 | liable | yeah, its only during the array building part that making those values high would help |
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| 17:58.19 | Blissex | liable: GeorgeS069: a bit of evangelization: http://WWW.BAARF.com/ |
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| 18:01.50 | GeorgeS069 | ROFL |
| 18:02.23 | GeorgeS069 | I'll never give up my raid5 arrays :) |
| 18:02.38 | kados | I just installed Etch, and xorg, when I try to startx from my user account I get an error: X: Unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/XWrapper.conf X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 18:02.56 | kados | anyone know how I can run X as a user (works fine as root) |
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| 18:04.45 | GeorgeS069 | I do know enough to use hot spares in my raid setups atleast...and always make backups |
| 18:05.00 | roxy_ | kados: it is not an out of the box installation , isn't it ? |
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| 18:05.18 | CovInHer | kados: your /usr/bin/X not setuid? |
| 18:06.25 | stew | kados: /msg dpkg xwrapper.config |
| 18:06.26 | callee | is there any good jabber console client? |
| 18:06.29 | abrotman | Blissex: i've read that .. it's pretty much crap |
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| 18:06.36 | abrotman | callee: centericq |
| 18:06.43 | callee | abrotman: i meant "good" |
| 18:06.48 | abrotman | it is good |
| 18:06.50 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
| 18:07.01 | callee | centericq is a pain if you wanna chat with more than one person at the same time |
| 18:07.13 | abrotman | Blissex: and IIRC .. it's also factually wrong |
| 18:07.53 | roxy_ | what are the good irc client (I already know xchat and ksirc) |
| 18:07.54 | CovInHer | callee: bitlbee + irssi-text? |
| 18:07.59 | Blissex | abrotman: the great RAID debate :-) |
| 18:08.19 | abrotman | Blissex: no .. i mean .. it seems the guy doesn't actually know what he's talking about |
| 18:08.58 | Vasistha | Blissex: heheh, baarf is a wonderfully hilarious and ... uh, opinionated, if not informative, site |
| 18:09.03 | Blissex | abrotman: it is actually a good group of people, not just one guy, all come to the same conclusion... and I think it is mostly OK. |
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| 18:09.24 | abrotman | Blissex: i'm not saying RAID10 isn't better .. but his case against RAID5 is .. bad :) |
| 18:09.30 | RQ | hi. Could anyone have any idea why alsa-sources from debian/testing won't compile on ubuntu/dapper? |
| 18:09.38 | Ferret | I'm with CovInHer on this one. |
| 18:09.50 | Ferret | You already have an IRC client, why install some other program? |
| 18:09.54 | RQ | seems to fail with this error: include/linux/pci.h:424: error: syntax error before numeric constant |
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| 18:10.13 | callee | CovInHer: no, thx, i am not smoking weed |
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| 18:10.14 | Vasistha | RQ: nope, not in here, we really can't help you with ubuntu in here |
| 18:10.16 | roxy_ | Ferret: to use the most suitable for me |
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| 18:10.46 | g333k | hi, how do I know if xarchiver is a new version of xarchive ? |
| 18:10.51 | RQ | Vasistha, i know, but i don't think that pci.h should differ between debian and ubuntu |
| 18:11.01 | Ferret | roxy_: That wasn't a response to you, sorry. |
| 18:11.09 | RQ | g333k, just look at apt-cache policy for both |
| 18:11.17 | RQ | err, apt-cache show |
| 18:11.25 | Ferret | roxy_: irssi-text is a good IRC client though. |
| 18:13.07 | abrotman | Blissex: he goes so far as to recommend RAID3 .. ewww |
| 18:13.07 | g333k | RQ, thanks |
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| 18:13.08 | Blissex | abrotman: not really, he just says it is not as bad as RAID5 :-). |
| 18:13.23 | abrotman | Blissex: yeah .. but he's wrong :) |
| 18:13.25 | roxy_ | Ferret: is that text only ? |
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| 18:13.35 | roxy_ | Ferret: I mean no gui |
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| 18:14.00 | Ferret | Yes. |
| 18:14.15 | Ferret | Last time I checked IRC was a text medium. |
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| 18:14.32 | abrotman | Blissex: you'd prefer RAID3 over RAID5? |
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| 18:16.03 | abrotman | Blissex: of course .. it also depends on your usage patterns |
| 18:16.19 | bcc_ | what's the difference between kernel-image and linux-image packages? |
| 18:16.40 | abrotman | linux-image is for etch and up |
| 18:16.52 | bcc_ | what does that mean? |
| 18:17.18 | Blissex | abrotman: RAID3 would be better than RAID5 in most cases... |
| 18:17.29 | abrotman | Blissex: unless you're mostly read |
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| 18:18.03 | Blissex | abrotman: even so... |
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| 18:18.19 | abrotman | Blissex: the read performance on RAID3 is pretty bad |
| 18:18.27 | abrotman | well .. no worse than a single disk :) |
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| 18:18.48 | Blissex | abrotman: but yet, of course the issues with RAID5 are mostly hidden if one does mostly reads and rebuilds are extremely rare. |
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| 18:19.51 | CovInHer | Blissex: "most cases" == "write-intensive applicatons and thunderstorms"? |
| 18:19.59 | abrotman | Blissex: hopefully you're not rebuilding often :) |
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| 18:20.21 | Blissex | abrotman: but if you rebuild RAID5 is so fucked... |
| 18:20.30 | stew | why? |
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| 18:20.53 | Blissex | CovInHer: well, I knew a guy who rather foolishly was backing up to RAID5 :-) |
| 18:21.05 | abrotman | Blissex: why? .. it's jsut slower .. not a super huge deal .. better than your read speed sucking .. always :) |
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| 18:21.20 | CovInHer | Blissex: Not terribly unwise if it's just being staged there |
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| 18:21.39 | Blissex | abrotman: it is _way_ slower and more fragile too. |
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| 18:22.05 | Blissex | CovInHer: it is insane! Backing up is basically 100% writes, and RAID5 really does not like that. |
| 18:22.53 | CovInHer | Blissex: Not it's strong suit, sure -- but who cares? |
| 18:23.03 | Blissex | CovInHer: I prayed for this wayward soul to leave the path and evil, and eventually he tries RAID10 and backup speed went up 10 times |
| 18:23.25 | stew | my raid5 array writes much faster than the backup machine can read from the internet |
| 18:23.32 | Blissex | stew: repent ye! The end is nigh! |
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| 18:23.57 | CovInHer | Blissex: that's conventional wisdom thought. raid3 being the dandiest thing compared to raid5 isn't |
| 18:24.01 | Blissex | stew: yes, but also consider the problem with lots of writes, not just speed: if you get a problem when writing... |
| 18:24.25 | stew | Blissex: complete that sentence |
| 18:24.54 | Blissex | CovInHer: but the RAID3 argument is just to show how heretical RAID5 is. The champion of good is RAID10, no RAID3. |
| 18:24.57 | CovInHer | Blissex: raid3 would have been in better shape striping bytes "if you get a problem" |
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| 18:25.57 | Blissex | stew: it is written in BAARF.com, but basically there are two problems: bad writes can get bad data to be undetectably written to the array, and loss of one disk removes any resilience. |
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| 18:26.23 | Blissex | stew: there is also another problem that a clever friend of mine figured out with backing up to RAID5 or in general... |
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| 18:27.18 | Blissex | stew: RAID5 generates a _lot_ more IO operations than the alternative, in particular writes (the parity set has to be updated as a whole), and disk drives are designed for more reads than writes, and anyhow for lower traffic levels. |
| 18:27.22 | tvlooy | hello |
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| 18:27.53 | stew | Blissex: what's wrong with doing more writes? |
| 18:28.12 | abrotman | Blissex: eh... i still disagree |
| 18:28.17 | Blissex | stew: well, it wears out the drive faster, but also offers more opportunity for errors. |
| 18:28.40 | Blissex | abrotman: I pray for your soul, that you may see the light one day :-) |
| 18:28.42 | abrotman | right ..because every drive has a finite life |
| 18:28.54 | abrotman | Blissex: the dark light? |
| 18:29.09 | stew | Blissex: i'm fine with wearing out my drive faster. they are replacable |
| 18:29.10 | jetscreamer | i am your father |
| 18:29.17 | abrotman | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 18:29.30 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 18:29.37 | stew | Blissex: my array emails me when it has bad writes, it happens once every couple of weeks |
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| 18:29.56 | Blissex | stew: eeeek. Thats fairly often. |
| 18:30.09 | GeorgeS069 | yeah,really...ide drives are cheap...my 200gig seagates were only like $60 after the rebates |
| 18:30.10 | stew | lemme double check |
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| 18:30.12 | jetscreamer | what kind of load though |
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| 18:30.43 | jetscreamer | yeh i have one of those seagates |
| 18:30.48 | vekpos | hello! which is the best program for recording the output of a soundcard? |
| 18:30.48 | jetscreamer | wish i had gotten more |
| 18:30.57 | stew | Blissex: well the one controller had 3 of them this year. so not really every couple of weeks |
| 18:31.05 | jelly-home | Blissex: (some) raid controllers have also scheduled checking of data across all the disks, so one failed write won't go unnoticed for too long. |
| 18:31.49 | Blissex | jelly-home: ahhh but the problem is that a bad write will cause the parity to be recomputed with the bad data, and the bad write will never be detected by the array... |
| 18:31.55 | callee | ok, thx guys, i move to the oftc channel |
| 18:31.56 | Blissex | abrotman: thats name calling! :-) |
| 18:32.16 | Blissex | vekpos: depends on what you want to do. Have a look at 'arecord' |
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| 18:33.11 | jelly-home | Blissex: that would mean a bug in the controller (not an error on disk), right? Sounds improbable. |
| 18:33.46 | vekpos | ok, I just want to record the output of the program "mixxx" and save it as wav or so |
| 18:33.55 | abrotman | eeep .. lag! |
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| 18:34.26 | Blissex | vekpos: check out http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#tasks |
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| 18:34.49 | vekpos | ok, great - thanks a lot |
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| 18:35.44 | Blissex | jelly-home: ahhh but you see whatever the cause of the error, the consequence is that the data in the block are lost, because the parity calculation is done with the wrong value, and irretrievably. |
| 18:36.03 | jelly-home | Blissex: I think not. |
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| 18:36.29 | jelly-home | Blissex: You don't trust the data from the plate to calculate the parity. |
| 18:37.59 | abrotman | if the controller writes bad data .. is it the RAID config fault .. or the controller? |
| 18:38.08 | abrotman | and i don't see how RAID5 is unique in that situation |
| 18:39.02 | Blissex | abrotman: the unique badness is that the parity gets recomputed, and it says ''all OK''. |
| 18:39.21 | Blissex | abrotman: with other mirroring organizations, the good and bad blocks are at least different. |
| 18:39.24 | abrotman | which would happen for aother RAID configs |
| 18:39.29 | abrotman | other |
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| 18:42.37 | mattybats | hello |
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| 18:43.09 | rohan | hi all |
| 18:43.16 | roxy_ | what irc client will put the time with each someone "says" something ? |
| 18:43.33 | Blissex | roxy_: virtually all, as an option to be enabled |
| 18:43.59 | rohan | with sid moving over to gcc 4.1, i have gcc 4.0 left lying about .. how do i completely remove it ? i chose to remove gcc-4.0 and cpp-4.0 .. any more packages to be removed, to get rid of gcc 4.0 ? |
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| 18:44.14 | roxy_ | Blissex: would you know about xchat ? |
| 18:44.18 | perlIsBetter | how do I get apt to downlaod something from unstable? |
| 18:44.26 | perlIsBetter | I want GHC 6.4 |
| 18:44.34 | rohan | perlIsBetter: are you using etch atm ? |
| 18:44.45 | abrotman | roxy_: in the preferences |
| 18:44.46 | roxy_ | Blissex: sorry, I found it |
| 18:44.51 | Blissex | roxy_: thats indeed possible, but I can't remember in which menu it is. Just look around.. |
| 18:44.55 | Blissex | roxy_: ahhhh, OK. |
| 18:44.55 | perlIsBetter | etch? |
| 18:44.57 | roxy_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:45.00 | rohan | like, perlIsBetter, you are on etch, but want a package or two from sid ? |
| 18:45.01 | perlIsBetter | deb 3.1 |
| 18:45.03 | perlIsBetter | apt-get |
| 18:45.07 | rohan | perlIsBetter: oh, sarge ? |
| 18:45.15 | perlIsBetter | etch? |
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| 18:45.23 | perlIsBetter | well |
| 18:45.26 | rohan | err.. are you on testing or unstable or stable ? |
| 18:45.31 | Blissex | perlIsBetter: if you have to ask, don't ever mix repositories from different levels. |
| 18:45.36 | perlIsBetter | I am on stable basic debian install |
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| 18:45.51 | Blissex | perlIsBetter: if you have to ask about these things, stay on 3.1 (Sarge/stable) and use backports.org |
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| 18:46.03 | rohan | perlIsBetter: then you are best of recompiling the package you want, "The Debian Way" (tm) |
| 18:46.25 | perlIsBetter | hmm |
| 18:46.26 | mattybats | i just installed etch from scratch |
| 18:46.30 | resiak | !backports |
| 18:46.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 18:46.35 | perlIsBetter | what is etch? |
| 18:46.36 | rohan | i rememeber dpkg had some factoid for it, but i dont remember the name :S |
| 18:46.37 | jelly-home | roxy_: Settings -> Preferences -> Interface -> Text Box |
| 18:46.39 | resiak | !etch |
| 18:46.40 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 18:46.41 | rohan | !tell perlIsBetter about etch |
| 18:46.51 | GeorgeS069 | and when you are done we will sell you some tonic to regrow all the hair you pulled out :) |
| 18:47.00 | rohan | GeorgeS069: lol |
| 18:47.01 | resiak | perlIsBetter: Trust me on this one: the backports.org build of ghc6.4 just works |
| 18:47.15 | perlIsBetter | backports |
| 18:47.22 | perlIsBetter | will it work with the other GHC stuff |
| 18:47.28 | rohan | sure will |
| 18:47.31 | Blissex | mattybats: «just installed etch from scratch» thats impossible.... |
| 18:47.32 | perlIsBetter | jeez this is becoming work |
| 18:47.45 | rohan | Blissex: why ? |
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| 18:48.01 | mattybats | blissex: you joking? |
| 18:48.01 | rohan | perlIsBetter: adding one line to /etc/apt/sources.list is not really hard now, is it ? |
| 18:48.03 | Blissex | mattybats: you just installed a ''luck of the day'' collection of packages. Etch is incomplete and untested, that is unreleased. |
| 18:48.21 | perlIsBetter | oh hold on |
| 18:48.26 | mattybats | right so that's why i'm having dependency problems? |
| 18:48.27 | perlIsBetter | I add it to that list? |
| 18:48.31 | mattybats | using aptget? |
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| 18:48.42 | Blissex | perlIsBetter: the myth that system administration is not like work is pretty commonly held... |
| 18:48.52 | rohan | no perlIsBetter, read the instructions on the site, unless you want all teh backports' packages |
| 18:48.53 | Blissex | mattybats: yes, exactly because of that. |
| 18:49.03 | mattybats | so what do i do? |
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| 18:49.10 | mattybats | i can't install sarge |
| 18:49.15 | mattybats | has SATA problems |
| 18:49.20 | Blissex | mattybats: there is no guarantee that on any given days the packages in the 'testing' repository form a consistent set of dependencies, |
| 18:49.26 | mattybats | i know |
| 18:49.33 | mattybats | I'm just asking for advice |
| 18:49.36 | streuner | mattybats: try 'kmuto's sarge installer |
| 18:49.46 | mattybats | ubuntu? |
| 18:49.51 | streuner | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 18:49.52 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 18:49.53 | rohan | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 18:50.04 | Blissex | mattybats: well, it is a bit out of luck, but the best is to use an updated installer as <streuner> and <dpkg> suggest. |
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| 18:50.09 | rohan | mattybats: ubunt uis different from debian |
| 18:50.11 | hugo | does anybody have any idea why I can't establish an X forwarding ssh connection over my pptp link. actually the connection is established but starting an x app does not work. |
| 18:50.13 | GeorgeS069 | kmuto's worked for me |
| 18:50.14 | streuner | mattybats: hell no, do you read the topic yet? ;-) |
| 18:50.22 | mattybats | i know |
| 18:50.47 | typewriter | how can i get the md5sum of a pass phrase? |
| 18:50.52 | rohan | mattybats: so, try ubuntu if you must, but if you want debian, use the kmuto installer, or try etch, it works quite well |
| 18:50.55 | mattybats | i'm trying to stick with debian out of some strange allegiance |
| 18:50.58 | typewriter | since `md5sum` only gets sums of files? |
| 18:51.00 | resiak | typewriter: echo -n phrase | md5sum |
| 18:51.16 | resiak | typewriter: (the -n prevents echo from adding a newline) |
| 18:51.18 | rohan | brb |
| 18:51.21 | typewriter | which is more secure sha1sum or md5sum ? |
| 18:51.33 | Blissex | mattybats: the alternative is that you choose the Dark Side of the APT and start using a mixed 'testing'/'unstable' system, which you can do if you really know the packaging and dependency system inside out. |
| 18:51.38 | obscure | typewriter neither |
| 18:51.45 | typewriter | sweet md5 it is |
| 18:51.46 | mattybats | sort of |
| 18:51.52 | mattybats | i'm not the fastest |
| 18:52.00 | mattybats | but i've been using debian for a couple years |
| 18:52.10 | abrotman | Blissex: maybe he should use RAID5 and wait for his data to disintegrate |
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| 18:52.34 | GeorgeS069 | LOL |
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| 18:52.40 | rohan | back |
| 18:52.40 | Blissex | mattybats: I have written a grimoire of mixed repository handling and the spells of doom are here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ |
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| 18:53.16 | Blissex | abrotman: that might indeed be suitable punishment for pursuing forbidden matters :-) |
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| 18:54.09 | mattybats | so if i do a kmuto install of sarge and then update to etch i won't get dependency problems? |
| 18:54.30 | GeorgeS069 | just o the kmut install and use stable |
| 18:54.33 | Blissex | mattybats: you arent getting it, don't «update to Etch», thats impossible. |
| 18:54.35 | obscure | why dont you install etch directly |
| 18:54.36 | streuner | mattybats: there are etch installers as well... |
| 18:54.57 | mattybats | i did an netinst of etch |
| 18:54.57 | obscure | stable is too 'stable' for me |
| 18:55.14 | GeorgeS069 | Etch is only for the Debian Demi-Gods to play with...not for us mortals |
| 18:55.14 | streuner | !tell obscure about backports |
| 18:55.15 | mattybats | stable won't work with SATA |
| 18:55.18 | Blissex | obscure: use backports.org or else become a Guru of the Dark Side of the APT |
| 18:55.30 | perlIsBetter | wait there is a problem |
| 18:55.33 | perlIsBetter | Package: * |
| 18:55.34 | perlIsBetter | Pin: release a=sarge-backports |
| 18:55.34 | perlIsBetter | Pin-Priority: 200 |
| 18:55.35 | obscure | streuner i use unstable |
| 18:55.38 | mattybats | i hate the darkside of apt |
| 18:55.39 | streuner | mattybats: its a kernel-thingie - not more.. |
| 18:55.41 | obscure | dont need backports |
| 18:55.45 | Blissex | mattybats: 'stable' will work with SATA if you use a backported installer... |
| 18:55.49 | perlIsBetter | etc/apt |
| 18:55.54 | perlIsBetter | prefecrences does nto exit! |
| 18:55.57 | perlIsBetter | exist! |
| 18:56.06 | perlIsBetter | http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 18:56.10 | perlIsBetter | WTF |
| 18:56.24 | mattybats | you guys are too helpfull |
| 18:56.26 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.34 | mattybats | i've just been in africa for 4 months |
| 18:56.37 | streuner | perllsB: 'touch file' ? |
| 18:56.41 | mattybats | i feel fuckin out of this computer shit |
| 18:57.13 | streuner | mattybats: if you give up that fast, debian is not the right OS for you then. |
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| 18:57.44 | perlIsBetter | ok |
| 18:57.44 | mattybats | i'm not giving up |
| 18:57.46 | perlIsBetter | wait |
| 18:57.46 | streuner | to be concret, any OS will not fit your needs then. |
| 18:57.48 | mattybats | i just started this job |
| 18:57.51 | perlIsBetter | hey |
| 18:57.58 | mattybats | and i feel obligated to get something done |
| 18:58.00 | perlIsBetter | this backports things has got me |
| 18:58.09 | mattybats | besides spending allday trying to install debian |
| 18:58.11 | perlIsBetter | I have no preferences file in etc apt |
| 18:58.16 | perlIsBetter | all day? |
| 18:58.19 | Maulkin | perlIsBetter: Just create it |
| 18:58.20 | perlIsBetter | debian is up in 30min |
| 18:58.21 | streuner | so create it? |
| 18:58.22 | perlIsBetter | oh |
| 18:58.24 | perlIsBetter | ok |
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| 18:59.29 | abrotman | Perl? HA! .. all the cool kids are using whitespace |
| 18:59.35 | GeorgeS069 | mattybats : get the kmuto iso and use your stable cd/dvd's for the apt-sources one the install asks for them and you'll have it installed in an hour or less |
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| 18:59.57 | zamolxes | no, all the cool kids are using rubyonrails, don't you read the news^H^Hblogs? |
| 18:59.59 | abrotman | there are three from him |
| 19:00.03 | Maulkin | *shrug* The normal installer works for me :) |
| 19:00.03 | jelly-home | Blissex: hmm, your example happens only if one drive is dead and one is dying (flaky). RAID5 fails anyway when two drives go at the same time... |
| 19:00.12 | abrotman | Maulkin: you're too smart for your own good! |
| 19:00.26 | perlIsBetter | oh shit its working |
| 19:00.28 | perlIsBetter | I think |
| 19:00.34 | Blissex | jelly-home: and thats awesomely more common than people think... |
| 19:00.46 | streuner | !congratulate perlIsBetter |
| 19:00.47 | dpkg | Woohoo perlIsBetter, you did it! |
| 19:00.50 | abrotman | i've never had two go at once |
| 19:01.03 | Maulkin | abrotman: I did. |
| 19:01.04 | zamolxes | abrotman: i had. twice |
| 19:01.14 | zamolxes | abrotman: fun! |
| 19:01.14 | abrotman | you guys need to stop using laptop harddrives for raid .. jeez |
| 19:01.38 | Maulkin | abrotman: It failed in a very special way that made the raid controller server 0 byte files. Which rsync quite happily sent to the backup system... |
| 19:01.43 | zamolxes | what? i was using ipod drives |
| 19:02.12 | abrotman | Maulkin: i blame XFS and the lack of an UPS |
| 19:02.28 | Maulkin | abrotman: ext3 and it had a UPS :) |
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| 19:03.01 | Maulkin | HasKellIsBetter: Please just don't randomly change your name, as people may not recognise who you are when you next ask a question |
| 19:03.50 | Mallkin | i'm a plaza! |
| 19:04.03 | abrotman | sorry |
| 19:04.06 | Maulkin | :) |
| 19:04.35 | jelly-home | Blissex: I think this scenario is limited to the time between successive checksum checks. ;-) |
| 19:05.08 | Blissex | jelly-home: not necessarily, but admittedly it is or at least should be rare. |
| 19:05.34 | abrotman | Blissex: how does it feel to have "decent" USB support?! |
| 19:05.36 | Blissex | jelly-home: the problem is that as someone once famously said ''as far as I know, my computer never had an undetected error'' |
| 19:05.52 | HasKellIsBetter | woot |
| 19:05.53 | abrotman | you can't prove the non-existence of a bug ? |
| 19:05.54 | HasKellIsBetter | sorry |
| 19:05.59 | HasKellIsBetter | hey |
| 19:06.11 | Blissex | abrotman: I actually have WIN98 (original) on my laptop, half forgotten partition :-) |
| 19:06.12 | HasKellIsBetter | anyone here program WAN stuff |
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| 19:06.25 | HasKellIsBetter | like getting data from remote boxes and adding it to mysql db here |
| 19:06.28 | HasKellIsBetter | and vice cerse |
| 19:06.38 | HasKellIsBetter | when remote box is a vendor using micosft or sco unix |
| 19:06.41 | HasKellIsBetter | and your on redhat |
| 19:06.43 | Maulkin | HasKellIsBetter: Have a look at mysql replication |
| 19:06.52 | Blissex | HasKellIsBetter: try to reword your question a bit better. |
| 19:06.54 | HasKellIsBetter | no no the remote box is informix |
| 19:06.54 | jelly-home | Blissex: well, it bad data was written, the whole-array-check will catch it. It will propagate to the checksum only if a disk fails and gets replaced before the next whole-array-scan. |
| 19:06.58 | HasKellIsBetter | or micoSQL |
| 19:07.00 | Maulkin | And I think you meant "you're" |
| 19:07.16 | Blissex | jelly-home: yes, and that can well happen.... |
| 19:07.19 | Maulkin | (Sorry, personal gripe) |
| 19:07.29 | HasKellIsBetter | now we have a system of file dumps and parses |
| 19:07.35 | tvlooy | I broke my partition table, does someone know a tool to fix it? |
| 19:07.37 | HasKellIsBetter | croned |
| 19:07.40 | HasKellIsBetter | heh |
| 19:07.43 | abrotman | Maulkin: proper english?! efnet is that way ---> |
| 19:07.48 | tvlooy | restore it to a previous setup |
| 19:07.49 | Blissex | jelly-home: BTW, one of the little known horrors of RAID is that multiple-disk failures are _a lot_ more common than people think. |
| 19:08.03 | tvlooy | I did not repartitioned anything |
| 19:08.03 | stew | HasKellIsBetter: please don't use the enter key so much. do you have a question that is at all related to debian? |
| 19:08.15 | tvlooy | no data is overwritten |
| 19:08.15 | jelly-home | Blissex: We had one double-disk failure in 5 years. |
| 19:08.18 | Maulkin | abrotman: y? du U nt sp33k it h3r3? |
| 19:08.27 | Blissex | jelly-home: many RAID vendors for example put in an array drives all of the same manufacturer and model, and even, terrifyingly, from the same shipping carton. |
| 19:08.29 | Maulkin | </point> :) |
| 19:08.34 | streuner | stew: he did ask before, but he changed the nick :-) |
| 19:08.37 | Blissex | jelly-home: you been rather lucky. |
| 19:08.57 | HasKellIsBetter | yes, how is java support for debian, specifically, should I simply slap the sdk 5.0 from sun on there and not bother with apt-get, then get jonas or jboss from ther own site |
| 19:08.58 | typewriter | how can i create md5 sums of linux passwd format? |
| 19:09.05 | HasKellIsBetter | ? |
| 19:09.09 | stew | HasKellIsBetter: /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:09.26 | HasKellIsBetter | why not use apt-get? |
| 19:09.29 | HasKellIsBetter | ? |
| 19:09.49 | Blissex | jelly-home: then there if the famous urban legend on the array that had worked perfectly for a couple of years continuously, then the PC had to be powered off and restarted and half of the drives did not restart (stiction probably). |
| 19:09.50 | jelly-home | Blissex: I agree that setting up an array with disks from the same batch is rather shortsighted. |
| 19:09.51 | stew | HasKellIsBetter: you should use apt-get. if you need sun java you sould read /msg dpkg java-package |
| 19:09.54 | HasKellIsBetter | Im scared to get some old version |
| 19:10.18 | Blissex | jelly-home: «shortsighted» in that case is a rather large euphemism :-) |
| 19:10.23 | streuner | heh, newer java versions from sun didn't work, so why bother anyway? :-) |
| 19:10.32 | streuner | for me* |
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| 19:10.34 | obscure | streuner they wprl fome jere |
| 19:10.39 | obscure | work fine here |
| 19:10.42 | streuner | hehe |
| 19:10.50 | abrotman | Maulkin: doesn't that hurt when you do that? |
| 19:11.12 | Maulkin | abrotman: yeah. I have to think very carefully to do it :) |
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| 19:11.28 | abrotman | Blissex: it's happened here .. but not a RAID system .. and it was stuck in a hot closet |
| 19:11.45 | stew | are we really still talking about RAID? |
| 19:11.47 | abrotman | Maulkin: it's hard .. i'm getting hold |
| 19:11.48 | abrotman | hold |
| 19:11.51 | abrotman | old!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:12.01 | stew | did anyone convince anyone else anything about RAID yet? |
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| 19:12.15 | Blissex | stew: it is religion... :-) |
| 19:12.16 | abrotman | stew: we decided that RAID0 is only useful with windows |
| 19:12.19 | Maulkin | stew: It randomly fails? |
| 19:12.33 | abrotman | of course .. hotswap RAID0 is totally the way to go |
| 19:12.36 | Blissex | stew: it is a bit like saying that RAID5 is the fruit of intelligent design :-) |
| 19:12.42 | Maulkin | *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* |
| 19:12.53 | stew | ok, just checking |
| 19:12.54 | Maulkin | But that's my bugbear :) |
| 19:12.58 | jelly-home | Blissex: but raid6... that's something! ;-) |
| 19:13.02 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 19:13.08 | GeorgeS069 | it's all my fault |
| 19:13.44 | Maulkin | :) |
| 19:14.14 | mattybats | with kmuto installer i still can't install testing? |
| 19:14.19 | Maulkin | resiak: I'll have to remember that analogy |
| 19:14.48 | GeorgeS069 | resiak : did the chair have a hot spare? |
| 19:14.56 | resiak | Maulkin: I just thought of it, and was quite pleased with myself =) |
| 19:14.59 | streuner | mattybats: use kmuto's installer to install sarge/stable, etch (beta) installer if you want using etch/testing. |
| 19:15.20 | jelly-home | Blissex: that paper seems to be rather dated, right? "IDE/ATA drives do not (TMK) include bad sector remapping in their hardware". |
| 19:15.36 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 19:15.38 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:15.42 | GeorgeS069 | what part of "don't use testing" is not getting through? |
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| 19:15.55 | jorgp | lol |
| 19:15.58 | Blissex | jelly-home: yes, but that point is sort of irrelevant... |
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| 19:16.22 | mattybats | GeorgeS069: i guess i like things the hard way |
| 19:17.21 | GeorgeS069 | mattybats : I'm doing the same thing everyone is suggesting you should try...just setup the partitions and now it's installing the base System |
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| 19:18.09 | zodo | Hey folks...I keep having an issue where some application (I think amaroK) goes wild on my hard drive, doing something, bringing the whole system to a crawl. When it happens, is there some command I can run to see what applications are doing what with my HD? |
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| 19:18.26 | Maulkin | zodo: top? |
| 19:18.39 | Maulkin | zodo: look for commands marked with 'D' for disk wait |
| 19:18.42 | stew | zodo: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
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| 19:19.35 | zodo | Many thanks. |
| 19:19.42 | GeorgeS069 | I like htop |
| 19:19.49 | GeorgeS069 | it's prettierer |
| 19:19.56 | sandman | When I check the "Load OpenOffice.org during start-up" checkbox in the Memory Options menu @ oo's configuration, no agent is placed on teh taskbar. Why is this? Is there a way to fix it? |
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| 19:20.45 | jelly-home | Blissex: also, where did "RAID5 does not EVER check parity on read" come from? If that were true, raid5 would really be bad. |
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| 19:21.37 | Blissex | jelly-home: technically, thats true. Then there are various semi-proprietary but common extensions. |
| 19:22.15 | Blissex | jelly-home: the problem however is that in pure RAID5 on read the block is reconstructed from the parity set and whatever gets reconstructed it believed as it is. |
| 19:22.20 | mattybats | do modprobe ata_piix part of kmuto installer advice |
| 19:22.26 | mattybats | don't think it works for me |
| 19:22.51 | Vasistha | sandman: I'm not sure if there is a taskbar icon... can you see with ps if oo is running? |
| 19:22.53 | Blissex | jelly-home: now, the check on the each block of the parity set is not the same things as a check on the the resulting block. |
| 19:22.57 | streuner | mattybats: any idea which kernel version supports your SATA controller? |
| 19:23.06 | Blissex | jelly-home: it _ought_ to be, of course. |
| 19:23.34 | mattybats | nope |
| 19:24.14 | skkk | hi all,I got a Dell Latitude D620 laptop,and I want install debian/etch on it,but it seems the etch installation CD can not recognize the DVD/CD-RW which known as a scsi device(scd0) on ubuntu,any help ? :-) |
| 19:24.15 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: thanks for the tip, htop is nice! |
| 19:24.18 | streuner | mattybats: ok, find out groups.google.com, etch had 2.6.12, kmuto 2.6.15 and beta etch 2.6.15 or 2.6.16... |
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| 19:24.38 | mattybats | i should do this work myself |
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| 19:24.41 | mattybats | err |
| 19:24.42 | mattybats | thanks |
| 19:24.58 | streuner | mattybats: beta etch installer has, of course, the latest kernel |
| 19:25.22 | HasKellIsBetter | http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 |
| 19:25.28 | HasKellIsBetter | doe sthis work to install jdk 1.5 |
| 19:25.29 | HasKellIsBetter | ? |
| 19:25.31 | HasKellIsBetter | seems cool |
| 19:25.34 | GeorgeS069 | Vasistha : you're welcome |
| 19:25.35 | mattybats | so i should use the kernel with the kmuto installer |
| 19:25.39 | HasKellIsBetter | or can I get jdk 1.5 from backports? |
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| 19:25.56 | Maulkin | HasKellIsBetter: That will probably work. |
| 19:25.56 | streuner | mattybats: in general, it wouldn't be a bad idea |
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| 19:26.03 | obscure | why dont you get jdk1.5 from sun |
| 19:26.07 | mattybats | or then i have to build an iso |
| 19:26.17 | mattybats | !or |
| 19:26.17 | dpkg | it has been said that or is that just a bot |
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| 19:26.18 | streuner | mattybats: do you see the controller in dmesg or via 'lspci -v' ? |
| 19:26.36 | HasKellIsBetter | I could |
| 19:26.49 | HasKellIsBetter | will installing the sdk from sun screw up debian package system? |
| 19:26.51 | mattybats | its in dmesg |
| 19:27.03 | streuner | ok, give us the line then |
| 19:27.24 | obscure | HasKellIsBetter no it wont |
| 19:27.24 | roxy_ | I want to cp a set of file from diferent directory to a single directory. the final name of each file doesn't matter but it has to be different from each other. How can I do that ? |
| 19:27.27 | jelly-home | Blissex: meh? In non-degraded mode, nothing should be reconstructed. I just think it would be a shame not to do a parity check as long as it's already reading from all disks (and most times the controller does readahead and reads from all disks even if only one block is accessed). Unfortunately I can't confirm whether my vortex does parity check on read or not, but I see it reads all the disks even if I try to read a single sector. |
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| 19:27.43 | skkk | hi all,I got a Dell Latitude D620 laptop,and I want install debian/etch on it,but it seems the etch installation CD can not recognize the DVD/CD-RW which known as a scsi device(scd0) on ubuntu,any help ? :-) |
| 19:27.44 | HasKellIsBetter | is it better to use this debian method or to jsut use the sun package? |
| 19:27.47 | obscure | HasKellIsBetter, put it in /opt or /usr/local and set your PATH accordingly |
| 19:27.54 | HasKellIsBetter | just getting from sun sems cleaner to me |
| 19:28.00 | obscure | i prefer the package from sun myself |
| 19:28.07 | HasKellIsBetter | how about tomcat? |
| 19:28.09 | mattybats | the one that starts ATIIXP? |
| 19:28.17 | HasKellIsBetter | getting tomcat from apachejakarta site simpler? |
| 19:28.23 | abrotman | HasKellIsBetter: use java-package.. it's better for your system |
| 19:28.26 | Maulkin | !repeat skkk |
| 19:28.30 | HasKellIsBetter | is there any penalty to aoviding the apt-get ssytem |
| 19:28.32 | Maulkin | !repeat |
| 19:28.32 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:28.36 | HasKellIsBetter | I dont want debian to go crazy on me |
| 19:28.40 | streuner | mattybats: can you just paste the whole /var/log/dmesg.log in paster? |
| 19:28.44 | streuner | !paste |
| 19:28.45 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 19:28.48 | abrotman | skkk: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:28.54 | skkk | sorry |
| 19:29.01 | abrotman | nothing to apologize for |
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| 19:29.17 | roxy_ | HasKellIsBetter: it won't, java-package and sun jdk works well |
| 19:29.20 | skkk | abrotman: thanks :-) |
| 19:29.42 | jelly-home | HasKellIsBetter: it won't go crazy if you put stuff in /opt or /usr/local. |
| 19:30.28 | Vasistha | skkk: you also might try a sarge cd, dunno if that might work better ... net-install + dist-upgrade to etch |
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| 19:31.25 | HasKellIsBetter | wait |
| 19:31.30 | HasKellIsBetter | apt-get cant find javapackage |
| 19:31.33 | zodo | Oh hey, another question. I've been monkeying with xmodmap and the xorg conf trying to get my Logitech MX510 mouse working. Does anyone know where I can find the order of how xmodmap uses the buttons? I know what button is what on the mouse...but not where to put them in xmodmap. |
| 19:31.36 | abrotman | !java package |
| 19:31.37 | dpkg | java package is probably <replay> see java-package |
| 19:31.40 | abrotman | !java-package |
| 19:31.40 | Shadowcat | !tell HasKellIsBetter about java-package |
| 19:31.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 19:31.41 | HasKellIsBetter | did the backports thing screw me up? |
| 19:31.41 | roxy_ | how can I delete 14000 files, rm is complaining of a too long argument ... |
| 19:31.52 | HasKellIsBetter | I may have to remove the backports stuff I guess |
| 19:31.56 | Shadowcat | roxy_: use a wildcard |
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| 19:32.16 | HasKellIsBetter | gavin-1:/home/gschuette# apt-get install fakeroot java-package |
| 19:32.17 | HasKellIsBetter | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 19:32.17 | HasKellIsBetter | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 19:32.17 | HasKellIsBetter | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 19:32.17 | HasKellIsBetter | gavin-1:/home/gschuette# |
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| 19:32.33 | Shadowcat | moron |
| 19:32.35 | roxy_ | Shadowcat: it is what I am doing rm * but : bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long |
| 19:32.43 | Maulkin | !tell HasKellIsBetter about paste |
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| 19:33.10 | abrotman | he needs contrib sources |
| 19:33.15 | jelly-home | roxy_: use something like find . -type f -name '*' -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 19:33.41 | skkk | Vasistha: thanks,it seems installation using kernel 2.4.x is ok for me :-),but I want to know is debian /etch can not support scsi device during the installation? |
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| 19:33.45 | abrotman | maybe during the installer there should be a novice and expert mode for setting sources .. and the novice just gives you main,contrib,non-free |
| 19:33.56 | HasKellIsBetter | ok |
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| 19:34.29 | Maulkin | abrotman: Well, that would probably go against Debian's social contract |
| 19:34.31 | roxy_ | jelly-home: did you read my first question from 5 minutes ago ? I am asking you because you seems good at find :-) |
| 19:34.32 | HasKellIsBetter | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2850 |
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| 19:34.45 | Maulkin | HasKellIsBetter: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 19:34.45 | stew | HasKellIsBetter: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 19:35.21 | abrotman | Maulkin: i know .. but it would relieve frustrations for the novice user of Debian |
| 19:35.41 | jelly-home | roxy_: I'd use some kind of counter for dest. file names. |
| 19:35.46 | GeorgeS069 | yaaa..it's installing...finally :) |
| 19:35.48 | Maulkin | abrotman: Probably, but it's not going to happen(tm) :P |
| 19:35.54 | abrotman | Maulkin: i'm filing a bug! |
| 19:35.55 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:36.02 | mattybats | streuner: trying to get log off that machine |
| 19:36.07 | Maulkin | abrotman: I'm ragginf as wontfix :) |
| 19:36.10 | mattybats | its got on the network |
| 19:36.21 | mattybats | but its got nothing on it |
| 19:36.24 | abrotman | Maulkin: they should make a new tag "WTFSTUPIDREQUEST" |
| 19:36.33 | mattybats | so i don't know how to get it over to the machine i'm typing to you from |
| 19:37.07 | roxy_ | jelly-home: find . -type file -exec cp {} /home/roxy/test/{}.txt \; where can I put the counter ? |
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| 19:37.11 | ukasz | h |
| 19:37.12 | ukasz | i |
| 19:37.25 | ukasz | have you ever seen this erroe |
| 19:37.27 | ukasz | iptables: Unknown error 4294967295 |
| 19:37.31 | Maulkin | abrotman: Basically, you're asking the Debian installer to install things which aren't in debian |
| 19:37.45 | abrotman | Maulkin: besides .. it'd be a wishlist item .. and i'm sure there's some way to do it to make the question simple .. i mean .. the sarge installer asks you if you want contrib/non-free anyways(or maybe that was woody) |
| 19:37.55 | abrotman | ukasz: #iptables |
| 19:37.58 | ukasz | it appears when i write in iptables to cut connections |
| 19:38.13 | Maulkin | ukasz: try #iptables |
| 19:38.14 | GeorgeS069 | sarge asks it too |
| 19:38.15 | smagy2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.32 | abrotman | Maulkin: see .. if sarge asks .. i mean .. it's just another step .. |
| 19:38.49 | jelly-home | roxy_: in shell: foo=0; for i in `find . -type f`; do echo cp "$i" /where/ever/$foo; foo=$(($foo+1)); done |
| 19:38.49 | Maulkin | abrotman: *shrug* you can suggest it. |
| 19:38.56 | ukasz | abrotman? |
| 19:38.59 | smagy2 | I was wondering if this is a kernel setting that causes kswapd to become active |
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| 19:39.03 | smagy2 | or what triggers it |
| 19:39.12 | smagy2 | before the ram is completely used up |
| 19:39.19 | abrotman | ukasz: /join #iptables .. ask there |
| 19:39.20 | ukasz | abrotman what is the problem |
| 19:39.25 | ukasz | oh sory |
| 19:39.26 | ukasz | ok |
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| 19:40.13 | Maulkin | smagy2: What's at the end of your syslog? |
| 19:40.14 | jelly-home | roxy_: that's the general idea. the example won't work if you have spaces in filenames, and it might be better to construct the filename in a nicer way, say using the original one. |
| 19:40.21 | Maulkin | smagy2: Sounds like somethign is spamming the log |
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| 19:43.19 | smagy2 | Maulkin: hmmn let me look again |
| 19:44.17 | jelly-home | roxy_: also remove the "echo" from the line to make it active and not just echo what it would do. |
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| 19:45.25 | HasKellIsBetter | is it better to get the SDK or just the JDK for SUN java |
| 19:45.27 | HasKellIsBetter | ? |
| 19:45.41 | Maulkin | HasKellIsBetter: Do you want to write java? |
| 19:46.19 | smagy2 | Maulkin: there is meminfo dump and nothing else |
| 19:46.31 | Maulkin | smagy2: Hmmm... tries strace? |
| 19:46.37 | HasKellIsBetter | well |
| 19:46.41 | HasKellIsBetter | my work uses tomcat 5.0 |
| 19:46.53 | HasKellIsBetter | and I want to slap modern java and jboss on my test box for a dev |
| 19:46.58 | HasKellIsBetter | I myself should learn some programming |
| 19:47.03 | Maulkin | HasKellIsBetter: SDK. Also, please direct further questions whcih are about java, not Debian to #java |
| 19:47.06 | HasKellIsBetter | wether java ro haskell is better is debaitible |
| 19:47.15 | HasKellIsBetter | well im installing on debina |
| 19:47.18 | HasKellIsBetter | debina |
| 19:47.20 | blondie | haskell sucks |
| 19:47.21 | HasKellIsBetter | debian |
| 19:47.24 | HasKellIsBetter | !! |
| 19:47.25 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 19:47.27 | HasKellIsBetter | watt!! |
| 19:47.31 | smagy2 | Maulkin: try strace on the process ? well the process will exit saying no memory. the problem is that not all of the ram is used but it switches to swap midway |
| 19:47.38 | blondie | evil language is haskell |
| 19:48.16 | Maulkin | smagy2: ahh. I see. Well, I'd suggest killing the process and restarting it. You'll at least have some ram so see what's happening |
| 19:48.24 | roxy_ | jelly-home: worked great , thanks |
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| 19:48.41 | jelly-home | Maulkin: he does have 9GB free. |
| 19:48.45 | lyakh | Is it normal now (with etch): "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!"? |
| 19:48.46 | Maulkin | HasKellIsBetter: We can help you with the installation, but not picking what to install |
| 19:49.21 | Maulkin | lyakh: yes. See the topic :) |
| 19:49.34 | jelly-home | smagy2: this looks like a kernel problem, perhaps it would go away with some tuning. |
| 19:49.57 | jelly-home | smagy2: just for fun, wtf are you running that eats up 21GB of RAM? |
| 19:50.11 | MoDaX | HasKellIsBetter: JDK == SDK |
| 19:50.31 | GeorgeS069 | 21 GB of ram and he still has a swap? |
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| 19:50.50 | Blissex | GeorgeS069: he is problably using Emacs :-) |
| 19:50.54 | smagy2 | jelly: the application has a large data files to load for simulation . |
| 19:50.56 | jelly-home | the problem is kernel is swappin while there's still free memory. |
| 19:50.58 | GeorgeS069 | LOL |
| 19:51.07 | GeorgeS069 | swapoff |
| 19:51.12 | GeorgeS069 | :) |
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| 19:51.49 | smagy2 | GeorgeS069: sigh another user asked for swap inspite of 32G of ram. what can i say |
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| 19:52.13 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: you should usually have at least a bit |
| 19:52.31 | abrotman | i'm not suggesting you have 32GB of swap .. but at least something |
| 19:52.38 | HasKellIsBetter | hm |
| 19:52.42 | lyakh | Maulkin: thanks... but I don't quite understand - what in the topic? FAQ? haven't found a direct reference... |
| 19:52.42 | Blissex | jelly-home: «kernel is swappin while there's still free memory» there is a parameter for that. |
| 19:52.43 | GeorgeS069 | well,swap can still be useful...and yes...I do have plenty of swap space...3gigs |
| 19:52.55 | HasKellIsBetter | now is there something liek for the JDK with java package to install jboss? |
| 19:53.08 | Maulkin | lyakh: you can view it with "/topic". The relevent entry is to type "/msg dpkg 2006 key" |
| 19:53.09 | HasKellIsBetter | whats best way to get Jboss? |
| 19:53.53 | GeorgeS069 | I'm drooling just thinking about 32GB's of ram |
| 19:54.00 | HasKellIsBetter | I got 2000 |
| 19:54.00 | HasKellIsBetter | heh |
| 19:54.09 | GeorgeS069 | I have 1 |
| 19:54.23 | HasKellIsBetter | is there a java-pacakge method of installing jboss or should I install offa their site? |
| 19:54.24 | GeorgeS069 | well,1GB on my debian system |
| 19:54.43 | HasKellIsBetter | oh 32G |
| 19:54.45 | HasKellIsBetter | HA |
| 19:54.49 | HasKellIsBetter | www.prevayler.org |
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| 19:54.56 | HasKellIsBetter | 2G me |
| 19:54.59 | jelly-home | smagy2, perhaps ask a kernel expert about tuning /proc/sys/vm/* parameters not to use swap unless absolutely needed. |
| 19:55.01 | roxy_ | HasKellIsBetter: of their site |
| 19:55.04 | HasKellIsBetter | anyone know about Jboss instlal on debina? |
| 19:55.14 | Maulkin | HasKellIsBetter: Please stop repeatedly asking! |
| 19:55.17 | roxy_ | HasKellIsBetter: yes, download and run |
| 19:55.17 | Blissex | jelly-home: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno05-4th.html#051008 |
| 19:55.22 | HasKellIsBetter | roxy do you reccomend java str8 from SUn in opt or doing the java-pacajge conversion route? |
| 19:55.35 | HasKellIsBetter | k |
| 19:55.37 | HasKellIsBetter | sry |
| 19:55.38 | Maulkin | !str8 |
| 19:55.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, str8 is a moronwerd |
| 19:55.57 | roxy_ | HasKellIsBetter: don't know str8, I use sun and installed it using java-pakage |
| 19:55.58 | HasKellIsBetter | sry |
| 19:56.02 | HasKellIsBetter | ok |
| 19:56.19 | jelly-home | smagy2: what Blissex said above ^^^ ;-) |
| 19:56.19 | HasKellIsBetter | so there is nothing liek that for jboss jsut down laod from thier site and install per man page |
| 19:56.21 | MoDaX | HasKellIsBetter: sarge/etch/sid? |
| 19:56.28 | HasKellIsBetter | 3.1r0 |
| 19:56.40 | HasKellIsBetter | how can I check that btw |
| 19:56.42 | MoDaX | HasKellIsBetter: use java-package then |
| 19:56.48 | HasKellIsBetter | in redhat its cat /etcredhat-release |
| 19:56.50 | roxy_ | HasKellIsBetter: can you rephrase it ? |
| 19:57.00 | lyakh | Maulkin: ok, I am almost there. It is on fresh etch, so, I already have "apt 0.6.44.1", so, IIUR, it should already include the key? Or do I still have to add those keys manually? |
| 19:57.13 | Maulkin | lyakh: Which key is missing? |
| 19:57.17 | HasKellIsBetter | well for jdk use java-package, but for jboss just download tar.gz from jboss.com? |
| 19:57.18 | MoDaX | HasKellIsBetter: /etc/debian_version |
| 19:57.23 | HasKellIsBetter | oh |
| 19:57.33 | Maulkin | !apt-key ABCD1234 |
| 19:57.33 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys ABCD1234 ; gpg --export ABCD1234 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 19:57.35 | HasKellIsBetter | 3.1 |
| 19:57.40 | Maulkin | lyakh: see that ^^ |
| 19:57.47 | roxy_ | HasKellIsBetter: no tar.gz, get the jboss installer |
| 19:57.56 | HasKellIsBetter | !! |
| 19:57.56 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 19:58.00 | HasKellIsBetter | woa |
| 19:58.02 | HasKellIsBetter | installer? |
| 19:58.05 | HasKellIsBetter | on linux? |
| 19:58.19 | amphi | jelly-home: there are docs in the kernel source tree |
| 19:58.20 | roxy_ | HasKellIsBetter: go have a look on the jboss site |
| 19:58.42 | abrotman | !jboss |
| 19:58.48 | abrotman | i thought there were packages somewhere |
| 19:59.10 | roxy_ | abrotman: they don't even want their package on ibiblio |
| 19:59.13 | HasKellIsBetter | hmm |
| 19:59.21 | HasKellIsBetter | interesting |
| 19:59.24 | amphi | jelly-home: Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt might be of use |
| 19:59.44 | jelly-home | amphi: find . -type f |grep page-cluster in Documentation/ returns nothing. |
| 19:59.45 | mattybats | streuner: you gave up on me? |
| 20:00.01 | abrotman | roxy_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=120237 |
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| 20:01.22 | streuner | mattybats: we need some infos (details) in order to help you... |
| 20:01.25 | roxy_ | abrotman: well, I assumed HasKellIsBetter wanted jboss 4.0.4, that's the first one that comes with ejb3.0 included. On ibiblio it goes up to versoin 3.2.. iirc |
| 20:01.35 | lyakh | Maulkin: I don't know which keys... it's powerpc, deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main mirror, which key do I need? |
| 20:02.03 | Maulkin | lyakh: Well, when you run apt-get update, it'll complain that a public key isn't available. |
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| 20:02.26 | streuner | mattybats: the output of 'lspci -v' and/or /var/log/dmesg.log would be fine. |
| 20:02.49 | Maulkin | lyakh: it'll be something like A1B2C3D4E5F6G7H8 or something |
| 20:02.51 | lyakh | Maulkin: it didn't... |
| 20:03.23 | Maulkin | lyakh: ok... try "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update" |
| 20:03.46 | streuner | Who gave apt and ravenbird voice and why? |
| 20:04.04 | mattybats | i got klogd[2976]:segfault at 000000000000003e rip 00002 aaaaabe158e rsp 0007fffff9fe0 error 6 |
| 20:04.14 | Maulkin | streuner: me. It's to identify them as bots |
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| 20:04.23 | jorgp | I want to remove python2.3 and replace it with python2.4, but each time I do, apt-get keeps wanting to reinstall 2.3, what can I do? |
| 20:04.38 | mattybats | i also got file descriptor open 3 through 6 |
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| 20:04.55 | mattybats | that's in /var/log/messages |
| 20:05.11 | lyakh | Maulkin: Thanks! doesn't complain any more! |
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| 20:05.19 | streuner | mattybats: we need the know the chipset of the controller |
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| 20:05.24 | HasKellIsBetter | jesus I just downloaded both things to /opt |
| 20:05.26 | Maulkin | lyakh: no problems |
| 20:05.26 | streuner | s/the/to/ |
| 20:05.29 | HasKellIsBetter | and now there is nothing in opt |
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| 20:05.31 | HasKellIsBetter | wtf |
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| 20:05.36 | streuner | Maulkin: ah |
| 20:06.02 | HasKellIsBetter | maybe dumb system not rhwo an error that /opt not writeble by user? |
| 20:06.03 | HasKellIsBetter | jesus |
| 20:06.08 | jape_ | hello! i can't found /etc/init.d/iptables from debian, whereas I got one in gentoo (switching from gentoo to debian). Where I could get one? :) |
| 20:06.18 | kjmacken | HassKellBetter : You called? |
| 20:06.43 | jelly-home | jape_: /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples, but read it first. |
| 20:06.45 | Maulkin | jape_: apt-get install iptables |
| 20:06.48 | kjmacken | jape_ ": emacs /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 20:06.52 | kjmacken | :p |
| 20:07.12 | jape_ | Maulkin: iptables is alrady the newest version, but it didn't install init-script :( |
| 20:07.28 | jape_ | jelly-home: ok, i'll try. |
| 20:07.59 | smagy2 | Blissex: by any do you happen to know what that parameter that needs to be set to make the kernel use swap inspite of free space ? |
| 20:08.01 | mri | hi, did anyone ever try to install a mips debian on an openwrt router with a harddisk attached ? |
| 20:08.14 | Blissex | smagy2: what? |
| 20:08.53 | Blissex | smagy2: however check out 'tmpfs' and/or 'swappiness'. |
| 20:09.28 | HasKellIsBetter | wow |
| 20:09.39 | HasKellIsBetter | linux really takes permissions seriously |
| 20:09.43 | HasKellIsBetter | heh |
| 20:09.46 | HasKellIsBetter | <----new admin |
| 20:09.48 | mri | and any idea how i could setup the base system out of the running openwrt ? |
| 20:09.48 | mattybats | i'm selling my soul to ubuntu |
| 20:09.51 | smagy2 | blissex: okay thanks |
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| 20:10.27 | ma3x | I just deleted mp3 file and I want to recover it! how do I do recovery? (ext3) |
| 20:10.29 | Blissex | mri: wrong channel really, look at OpenWRT specific pages/mailing lists/channels. |
| 20:10.38 | mri | nono |
| 20:10.44 | mri | i want a debian on my router - not openwrt |
| 20:11.04 | Blissex | mattybats: if you are a relatively less experienced user, Ubuntu is largely targeted to that... |
| 20:11.06 | HasKellIsBetter | I cant belive epiphany let me download 2 big pacakges 100% then I cant find them in opt since Im running browser as user |
| 20:11.11 | HasKellIsBetter | and opt owned by root |
| 20:11.15 | Blissex | mri: then check the emDebian people |
| 20:11.19 | streuner | Blissex: no |
| 20:11.21 | Maulkin | ma3x: you can't |
| 20:11.22 | mri | openwrt runs fine so far - but i wanna play arround a little - and try, if i get with usb storage a debian mips running on it - 32 mb ram should do |
| 20:11.24 | HasKellIsBetter | redownload to /home/user now |
| 20:11.28 | mri | emdebian ? |
| 20:11.31 | streuner | Blissex: you should know better what you talking about |
| 20:11.37 | ma3x | Maulkin, why not! |
| 20:11.37 | HasKellIsBetter | but should epiphany have said something? |
| 20:11.43 | mri | googleing - thanks for the tip |
| 20:11.44 | HasKellIsBetter | jeez |
| 20:11.55 | Maulkin | ma3x: It's a journaled filesystem, that's the way they work |
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| 20:12.20 | Blissex | streuner: Debian is not the ''works best for everything'' distribution... :-) |
| 20:12.26 | ma3x | Maulkin, what's the way it works? |
| 20:12.28 | MoDaX | ma3x: apt-cache search ext3 undelete |
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| 20:12.38 | mattybats | streuner: sorry man |
| 20:12.45 | streuner | none OS is just easy, you have to learn every day new. |
| 20:12.56 | mattybats | i know |
| 20:13.03 | streuner | if you don't wanna learn, just hire some consulant for you |
| 20:13.13 | k31th | im dd'ing a disk is there any way i can see how long its going to take ? |
| 20:13.44 | Blissex | k31th: you can estimate it... |
| 20:13.49 | servus | k31th: killall dd -s SIGHUP |
| 20:13.50 | Blissex | k31th: try 'vmstat 10' |
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| 20:14.12 | servus | Sorry, SIGUSR1, not SIGHUP |
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| 20:14.57 | servus | "Note that sending a SIGUSR1 signal to a running `dd' process makes it print to standard error the number of records read and written so far, then to resume copying.". Try kill -USR1 `pidof dd` |
| 20:15.12 | jorgp | why when I apt-get install python it wants to install python 2.3 instead of 2.4? |
| 20:15.45 | streuner | apt-get install python2.4? |
| 20:15.51 | streuner | !info python2.4 |
| 20:15.54 | jorgp | or apt-get install python2.4 and it wants to install some python2.3 packages |
| 20:15.59 | dpkg | python2.4: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 2693 kB, Installed size: 8860 kB |
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| 20:16.29 | jorgp | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 20:16.29 | jorgp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:16.43 | jorgp | when I apt-get install python2.4 |
| 20:17.16 | streuner | mattybats: some guys told me in the past, debian is hard to install and hard to admin, so i just use debian and i know these guys lyied to me. |
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| 20:18.05 | servus | streuner: Just wait until you want to install a new version of vim and apt-get uninstalls apache2, kde, X11, and, oh, let's say glibc. |
| 20:18.35 | mattybats | streuner: debian is dope |
| 20:18.47 | amphi | servus: it won't, unless you tell it to |
| 20:18.48 | streuner | no, debian is easy :-) |
| 20:19.07 | mattybats | but ubuntu installer finds my hardrives |
| 20:19.10 | mha13 | how can i find pacage named libstdc++.so.6: |
| 20:19.13 | DimmuR | what kernel module should i use for ati radeon x1300 under debian? (do i need fglrx? ) |
| 20:19.19 | jorgp | so why it want to install python2.3 stuff when I told it python2.4 |
| 20:19.19 | mha13 | im really newbie |
| 20:19.28 | servus | amphi: It begs to do similar things all the time. Uninstall vim, it begs to uninstall X. Install Opera, it tries to uninstall glibc. Go figure. Not fun to have to deal with 1 apt-get usage out of 10. |
| 20:19.36 | streuner | mattybats: we told you, that's a kernel-thingie... |
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| 20:19.47 | mattybats | i know |
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| 20:20.02 | streuner | and we told you how to solve it |
| 20:20.04 | amphi | servus: it's never behaved like that here |
| 20:20.13 | sgeigerbot | Does someone here have a 2.6 kernel running on a Compaq/HP DL380 (or, if not, one from a similar machine)? |
| 20:20.32 | mattybats | streuner: by building my own boot cd? |
| 20:20.33 | sgeigerbot | Googling isn't producing configs... |
| 20:20.36 | Maulkin | sgeigerbot: I did on a 360 |
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| 20:20.42 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: it's your fault |
| 20:20.43 | servus | Well I've used several Debian versions on several machines, and it is far too frequent. I don't do anything spectacular with apt-get; I just install applications (and rarely remove them). It's a big pain. |
| 20:20.45 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: DL380G <- which number here? |
| 20:21.12 | servus | And, yes, apt-get installing opera really did want to remove glibc. |
| 20:21.36 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: we have DL380G3 and maybe DL380G4 installed. |
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| 20:21.47 | Maulkin | servus: Erm... opera isn't in debian |
| 20:21.48 | amphi | servus: "don't do that then" ;) |
| 20:21.51 | jelly-home | servus: opera isn't in debian, is it? |
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| 20:22.36 | servus | It has an official Debian package. |
| 20:22.41 | jelly-home | servus: with 3rd party apps you sometimes have to fix their broken/outdated dependencies. |
| 20:22.44 | streuner | !opera |
| 20:22.45 | dpkg | hmm... opera is a commercial web browser for Linux/Windows and other OSes. Version 8.52 is the latest stable version and debs are available on the download page at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html or damn nice browser, especially under the hood. |
| 20:22.50 | streuner | servus: no |
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| 20:23.12 | streuner | servus: there isn't an official package. |
| 20:23.19 | streuner | for good reasons |
| 20:23.50 | servus | streuner: Yes, there is. Not official from Debian, but official from Opera. http://opera.com/download/ |
| 20:23.55 | jelly-home | dpkg, opera =~ s/8\.52/8.54/ |
| 20:23.55 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '8\.52', jelly-home |
| 20:23.59 | jelly-home | dpkg, opera =~ s/8.52/8.54/ |
| 20:23.59 | dpkg | jelly-home: OK |
| 20:24.02 | abrotman | servus: there's an apt repository for it |
| 20:24.03 | streuner | except the lizense issues, if you using that crap without paying you have a lot of connections to accept then... |
| 20:24.05 | Maulkin | servus: I suggest you ask them about your problems then, not us. |
| 20:24.15 | abrotman | servus: irc.opera.com |
| 20:24.18 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: I don't recall. |
| 20:24.22 | servus | I'm not having problems with it! |
| 20:24.26 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: oh...it's a g4 |
| 20:24.26 | abrotman | strange irc network though |
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| 20:24.32 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: that's close enough. |
| 20:24.34 | jorgp | ah, so the default python in sid is ver 2.3? |
| 20:24.37 | Maulkin | servus: Then don't complain |
| 20:24.37 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: I'll take it. :-) |
| 20:24.55 | servus | That was just an example. Plenty of Debian-standard apt packages give similar outrageous problems. Last time I tried to apt-get install vim it wanted to remove Apache2, KDE, and X11. |
| 20:24.57 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: do you really want to trust a binary got from a stranger in irc? :-) |
| 20:25.08 | abrotman | it would be nice if they'd finally make 2.4 the default python |
| 20:25.21 | Maulkin | servus: Odd. It worked ok for me. Do you know why? |
| 20:25.22 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: I'll trust a .config file that you put onto your Web server. |
| 20:25.34 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: text |
| 20:25.38 | Maulkin | servus: And are you running sarge, etch or sid? |
| 20:25.50 | Maulkin | abrotman: it will be in etch |
| 20:25.57 | abrotman | i'll believe it when i see it |
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| 20:26.37 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: ok. the main thing is to compile cciss into the kernel, to be able to boot from the internal disks. |
| 20:26.47 | servus | Maulkin: No. It seems off and on and doesn't seem to follow a pattern, and I'm not really sure what Debian version I'm running now. This is currently an old machine that has been apt-get upgraded over the years. I recently did a near-full upgrade to "testing". Hopefully that'll smooth things out. Next time I see the problem crop out (which prevents any further usage of apt-get until I resolve it) I will make a log. |
| 20:27.18 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: yes, I know. I just want to have a working config so that I know I will get a machine that reboots. |
| 20:27.20 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/config-2.6.12.2-4 |
| 20:27.24 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: thanks. |
| 20:27.33 | Maulkin | servus: Well, if you're running a mixed system, you'll get problems |
| 20:27.45 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: boots...and has necessary drivers like filesystem and ehternet... |
| 20:27.54 | jorgp | how do I make python2.4 the default |
| 20:27.56 | Maulkin | servus: As packages aren't designed to work across suites. |
| 20:27.57 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: meh, you have iLO on that machine, so it doesn't even have to be bootable to be able to fix it. ;-) |
| 20:28.07 | servus | It wasn't mixed. I never changed my apt sources.list or anything; I just installed packages as I needed them. |
| 20:28.14 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: if I knew how to use that... |
| 20:28.40 | jorgp | there is no alternatives |
| 20:28.58 | Maulkin | servus: Well, something else was installed. |
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| 20:29.40 | Maulkin | servus: that was possibly the problem. Next time, get a log, and we can work out what went wrong :) |
| 20:29.41 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: it has ssh, telnet or web applet access and you get full console. if you enable advanced features, you can even boot from a remote .iso or floppy image. |
| 20:30.25 | servus | It happens a lot, compared to how much I need to install new packages. I'll keep a note next time. Back to work I go :) |
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| 20:31.17 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: Very useful, find time to explore it. Saved me a lot of times from having to go to the server room. |
| 20:31.37 | jorgp | hmm, pycentral |
| 20:31.39 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: thansk. |
| 20:32.30 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: That *is* a P4, right? I did cat /proc/cpuinfo before (under the 2.4) and I swear I saw that it was showing up as p3. |
| 20:33.03 | jorgp | why doen't - pycentral updatedefault python2.4 |
| 20:33.08 | jorgp | work |
| 20:33.21 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: G4 are Xeons, some older are 32bit but all new are EM64T capable. Definitely P4. |
| 20:33.22 | samuel | where can i put something i want executed every time the computer turns on but AFTER nfs-kernel-server has started? |
| 20:33.42 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: that's probably why the damn thing didn't reboot. ;-) |
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| 20:33.48 | sgeigerbot | hmm. |
| 20:34.00 | Maulkin | samuel: /etc/init.d, then look at "man update-rc.d" |
| 20:34.04 | sgeigerbot | *shrugs* I don't know...it's been one of those days. |
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| 20:34.33 | streuner | samuel: there is a folder which give you the prior of nfs-kernel-server... |
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| 20:35.38 | streuner | samuel: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/* |
| 20:35.46 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: So, iLO is built-in, eh? Is that over the ethernet interface? or is there a special card? |
| 20:36.11 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: it's a third eth. interface, separate from the rest. |
| 20:36.40 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: there's eth0 and eth1 behind, and iLO a bit apart from those. |
| 20:36.42 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: Then how do you know I have it? Did every one come with it? I think on that machine I didn't opt for that.... |
| 20:37.02 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: its onboard, you definitely have it. |
| 20:37.13 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: might be not connected to anything. |
| 20:37.15 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: ok. I'll have someone check. |
| 20:37.21 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: sure... |
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| 20:37.49 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: we have a separate management lan segment for those. |
| 20:37.55 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: so you just enable it in the bios, connect an ethernet cable to the interface...and you're off, I guess. It comes with a Web interface, right? |
| 20:38.21 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: yeah... What do you call that separate network? I was thinking it was called something like network management network. |
| 20:38.49 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: :-) "admin lan" is shorter. |
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| 20:41.52 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: thanks so much for the help. |
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| 20:42.24 | sandman | What's the general opinion on the "dump" command? |
| 20:42.25 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: np. |
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| 20:42.55 | jorgp | !python 2.4 |
| 20:43.07 | jorgp | !info python 2.4 |
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| 20:43.14 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: there's some stuff in that config that you don't need, like scsi gdth and qla2300 drivers, that's for our other hardware. |
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| 20:43.30 | streuner | jorgp: packages in debian don't use ' '... |
| 20:43.40 | streuner | spaces* |
| 20:43.47 | jorgp | yeah I know |
| 20:44.07 | streuner | jorgp: /msg dpkg info <package> would work too |
| 20:44.14 | jorgp | I will be doing great if I can get the python default to 2.4 |
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| 20:44.28 | streuner | jorgp: so why not installing it then? |
| 20:44.33 | jorgp | pycentral does not seem to work |
| 20:44.36 | abrotman | !info python2.4 |
| 20:44.41 | dpkg | python2.4: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 2693 kB, Installed size: 8860 kB |
| 20:44.42 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: np. |
| 20:44.57 | sidezero | I have a question about the dsk_config configuration file for a FAI... instead of passing a set size for a partition is there anyway to tell it to fill the rest of the disk for that partition? |
| 20:45.01 | sandman | If a filesystem has "0" for the 6th field in fstab (fs_passno), the filesystem will not be checked. Don't I want all filesystems to be checked @ boot? Shouldn't the rootfs have a value of "1" (meaning it will be checked before the others), and the filesystems under it a value of "2"(such that they may all be checked sequentially, since their order doesn't matter as they're under the rootfs)? |
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| 20:46.24 | mha13 | how do i add heb to debian ? |
| 20:46.31 | mha13 | *heb support |
| 20:46.36 | abrotman | hebrew? |
| 20:46.37 | w4f7z | can anyone please help me with NIC bonding, im alittle lost, i followed the guide @ http://www.5dollarwhitebox.org/wiki/index.php/Howtos:_NIC_Bonding_Debian with the acceptton of changeing the mode to =1 since my switch dosnt support 0 (or anything else) i would eventualy like to get to mode 6, but right now im just trying to be able to pull a dhcp address |
| 20:46.38 | streuner | hebrew support? |
| 20:46.55 | jorgp | heh, guess default python2.4 is not possible |
| 20:46.56 | streuner | mha13: apt-get install locales? |
| 20:46.56 | mha13 | streuner: yes |
| 20:47.16 | Azar | is 2.6.8 supporting lm_sensors module ? |
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| 20:47.53 | omirix | root@collie:/media/card# ipkg install gcc-4.0-base_4.0.3-3_arm.deb |
| 20:47.55 | omirix | Installing gcc-4.0-base (4.0.3-3) to ram... |
| 20:47.57 | omirix | Configuring gcc-4.0-base |
| 20:47.59 | omirix | ln: /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.0-base/.changelog.Debian.gz: No such file or directory |
| 20:48.01 | omirix | anyone know whats going on? |
| 20:48.33 | mha13 | steuner: locales is already the newest version. |
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| 20:48.46 | streuner | Azar: hard to say without the config, but i would *guess* yes |
| 20:48.56 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: thanks. That config got me up and running! |
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| 20:49.10 | streuner | mha13: so run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and choose the support for your language |
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| 20:49.44 | streuner | Azar: ask in #debian-boot, they should know off-hand... |
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| 20:51.35 | ktwilight | does anyone know of a good place to learn regex? |
| 20:53.10 | mha13 | steuner: thx ill try it now |
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| 20:53.18 | Azar | thank you streuner |
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| 20:53.49 | streuner | http://vireo.org/~stew/config-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:54.41 | streuner | CONFIG_I2C_SENSOR=m |
| 20:55.13 | veleno | hello. when I log into my linux machine (debian/unstable) through gdm, the mouse wheel doesn't work properly . if i start in console mode, and I do a startx, it works fine...how is this possible? |
| 20:55.27 | abrotman | what protocol for your mouse? |
| 20:56.13 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: Hmm...which ethernet drivers do you use? Did you load those from /etc/modules? |
| 20:56.22 | menko | anyone here familiar with wine? Do the ubuntu packages at http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb work on debian sid? THe website seems to clump the two together so just checking... |
| 20:56.40 | veleno | abrotman, it's a usb mouse and in xorg.conf i see "Protocol" "ImPS/2" |
| 20:56.44 | Blissex | veleno: perhaps 'imwheel' starts in one case but not the other. Check 'xinitrc' vs. 'xsession' |
| 20:56.58 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: tg3 |
| 20:57.02 | Azar | streuner, ah , nice. I only wanted to get lm_sensors to have my gkrellm display system temperature |
| 20:57.05 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: and yes. |
| 20:57.26 | streuner | Azar: hm, newer kernels supports them better... |
| 20:57.45 | Azar | streuner: yes, I guess you are right |
| 20:57.49 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: That's not what I have apparently. |
| 20:58.01 | menko | And while I'm here.. Does ubuntu 6 have better binary compatibility than ubuntu 5? |
| 20:58.10 | Azar | :) |
| 20:58.11 | veleno | Blissex, in xinitrc i have gnome-session, in xsession 'exec fluxbox' .... weird... |
| 20:58.18 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: what does lspci say? |
| 20:58.30 | streuner | sometimes, not always ;-) |
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| 20:59.40 | GeorgeS069 | ok...I got 2.6.15 installed with Sarge finally...now what do I need to get for X 3d using a ATI radeon video card? |
| 21:00.15 | USmarine | does anybody know what this happens? |
| 21:00.16 | streuner | Azar: run 'sensors-detect' and make the necessary changes in gkrellm, done. |
| 21:00.17 | USmarine | heavyloader:/home/maverick# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:00.17 | USmarine | xserver-xorg config warning: failed to infer keyboard layout from layout/lang |
| 21:00.17 | USmarine | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.17 | USmarine | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been |
| 21:00.17 | USmarine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:01.01 | Azar | streuner thanks |
| 21:01.07 | streuner | np |
| 21:01.41 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: Maybe I've given you the wrong config file. |
| 21:02.03 | Azar | my boxes live in a 90-95F (around 40C) room temperature and I needed that warnings from gkrellm |
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| 21:02.15 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: ha! maybe. |
| 21:02.24 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: I was using the eepro100. |
| 21:02.35 | abrotman | USmarine: you've been told before .. stop pasting in here |
| 21:02.39 | abrotman | e100 ? |
| 21:02.59 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: my /etc/modules was loading eepro100 (under 2.4) |
| 21:03.11 | abrotman | does that even exist anymore with 2.6 ? |
| 21:03.17 | streuner | Azar: that sounds like you need some fan(s) to make it cooler for them, because over 40 C. is pretty hard (especially for HD's).. |
| 21:03.19 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: apparently not. |
| 21:03.28 | abrotman | oh .. it does |
| 21:03.34 | USmarine | ok abrotman |
| 21:03.39 | USmarine | here it is http://pastebin.com/711603 |
| 21:03.45 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: oh really? Hmm... maybe that's all I need to add. thansk. |
| 21:03.47 | USmarine | now, have you got any clue? |
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| 21:04.53 | veleno | mm what is it supposed to be into .xsession? |
| 21:04.54 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: e100 works in most places where eepro100 did |
| 21:05.03 | streuner | Azar: a nice feature in gkrellm is to just shutdown the box after a special temp. in gkrellm, via sudo its pretty trivial to shut down the box then.. |
| 21:06.18 | sandman | Is this line okay for fstab?: /swapfile swap swap defaults 0 0 |
| 21:06.39 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: apparently not in my machine. |
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| 21:06.51 | USmarine | sandman, no |
| 21:07.04 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: oh, actually...I bet I didn't have that one either. The config I'm using didn't have any ethernet support. |
| 21:07.12 | streuner | veleno: your WM and some apps which should be started at boot time. |
| 21:07.13 | Azar | streuner: I try to read the gkrellm howto now because it seems I only have the base installed, no plugins yet |
| 21:07.18 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I was going on faith that it worked with this machine. |
| 21:07.26 | leOn | guys ... i'm trying to build an initrd image to use in a system that lives in a loopback device (file) |
| 21:07.27 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 21:07.27 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 21:07.46 | leOn | i keep getting /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/loop/0: Unknown root device |
| 21:07.54 | streuner | Azar: most of them are packaged |
| 21:08.02 | Azar | streuner: I am running sarge with 2.6.8 kernel for now with a simple base gkrellm |
| 21:08.05 | veleno | streuner, anything I could put there so that the mouse wheel works properly, as it doesn when starting X through startx ? |
| 21:08.06 | benjamindees | I'm looking for a program that can be used to configure a kiosk for networking (dhcp/ppp/pppoe), and doesn't require X, preferably something that runs on a local web server. |
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| 21:08.15 | leOn | and i can't seem to get any relevant info on the subject |
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| 21:08.27 | streuner | veleno: that has nothing to do with startx or gdm |
| 21:08.30 | Azar | streuner: I do not seem to find anything related to system temperature monitor on mine |
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| 21:09.07 | veleno | streuner, ok. so what has something to do with it ? |
| 21:09.11 | streuner | Azar: those values are supported by lm-sensors, just get a newer package then... |
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| 21:09.26 | streuner | veleno: abrotman told you before, scroll up. |
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| 21:09.32 | sandman | USmarine: So what's wrong with the line? |
| 21:09.43 | Azar | streuner: reinstall gkrellm, or install lm_sensors? |
| 21:09.51 | abrotman | i did? |
| 21:09.53 | veleno | streuner, where ?.. |
| 21:10.11 | abrotman | oh .. i asked which mouse protocol you were using |
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| 21:10.39 | streuner | Azar: its a lm-sensors issue, they develope very hard and support newer chipset better in newer packages... |
| 21:10.47 | veleno | oh. i see. so imps protocol works fine when running through startx, and not throug gdm ? |
| 21:10.58 | USmarine | sandman, something like this /dev/hda6 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 21:11.14 | streuner | ImPS/2 is the protocol you need in order to support the mouse-wheel |
| 21:11.43 | streuner | you can change it via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86(xorg) |
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| 21:12.08 | jonaskoelker | does debs/debian.org/... include an `upstream tag', pointing querents to the sourceforge/tigris/icculus/... project page? If not, what do people think of adding such a tag? |
| 21:12.32 | oaoua | is there a channel for backports.org? |
| 21:12.39 | formorer | oaoua: yes |
| 21:12.48 | oaoua | formorer: ok..which one? |
| 21:12.54 | formorer | oaoua: #debian-backports |
| 21:12.58 | oaoua | ok |
| 21:12.59 | oaoua | thanks |
| 21:12.59 | formorer | oftc |
| 21:13.04 | oaoua | ah |
| 21:13.07 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: I added the ethernet support and all is working well. thanks. |
| 21:13.12 | oaoua | irc.oftc.org? |
| 21:13.16 | abrotman | formorer: is that for support though? |
| 21:13.31 | formorer | abrotman: sure, but I'm also here :) |
| 21:13.41 | abrotman | formorer: i meant .. enough to add it to the factoid |
| 21:13.43 | cureless | 17 people in #d-backports at oftc |
| 21:13.44 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:14.01 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: yeah, sorry, I think I've sent you config from a non-HP machine. |
| 21:14.15 | formorer | abrotman: yes please add it |
| 21:14.36 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: it's okay. I'm done. |
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| 21:14.41 | sgeigerbot | brb |
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| 21:15.40 | formorer | cureless: and, whats the problem? |
| 21:15.49 | USmarine | abrotman, can you help me? http://pastebin.com/711603 |
| 21:15.54 | abrotman | BAH FUCK |
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| 21:16.00 | cureless | formorer: nothing. |
| 21:16.15 | formorer | 23:13 -!- cureless (Ignacio Solis) [isolis@128.114.59.17] has joined #debian-backports |
| 21:16.18 | formorer | 23:13 -!- cureless [isolis@128.114.59.17] has left #debian-backports [Leaving] |
| 21:16.21 | formorer | not very nice |
| 21:16.31 | dondelelcaro | jonaskoelker: there's already a long thread about in in -mentors |
| 21:16.45 | cureless | formorer: what offended you? |
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| 21:17.02 | abrotman | yay .. killed the bot |
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| 21:17.27 | formorer | cureless: normaly its disrespectful just to join and leave a channel without saying a word |
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| 21:17.50 | GeorgeS069 | word |
| 21:17.54 | abrotman | ok .. not really .. |
| 21:17.57 | thingfish | heh |
| 21:18.02 | cureless | formorer: I disagree. |
| 21:18.05 | abrotman | but .. i used : !!! |
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| 21:18.39 | USmarine | im having a problem configuring xorg http://pastebin.com/711603 |
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| 21:18.53 | USmarine | has any1 got a clue of what might be the problem? |
| 21:18.53 | [bsd] | hi, friends! |
| 21:19.06 | GeorgeS069 | Is the 'driver" for ATI radeon video in non-free? |
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| 21:19.36 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 21:19.36 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx was add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
| 21:19.37 | patbam | hello folks, can anyone guy me to info about configuring a workaround to the " Connection reset by peer" timeouts when i ssh into a debian host? |
| 21:19.46 | [bsd] | perl-5.8.8-6 and 5.8.8-4 both unstable and testing are segfaulting |
| 21:20.05 | GeorgeS069 | Thanks abrotman |
| 21:20.13 | msoos | Hi. I just did dist-upgrade on my testing. I am more or less a Linux-freak, it is strange that I can not get X working. It gives me no log, no output (STDOUT or STDERR), and uses 99% of CPU. Anyone? |
| 21:20.21 | ndugu | pl |
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| 21:21.56 | jonaskoelker | dondelelcaro: do you happen to know which month? |
| 21:22.03 | msoos | 'X :0' does this, for example. It doesn't even bother reading the xorg.conf, it only reads in the Xwrapper.conf and that's it. Also,it has some 'nice' issues (i.e. priorities). I did dpkg-configure x11-common, and giving it a nice level of -20 did get it out of an infinite cycle of writing a stupid error message about priority not well set |
| 21:22.07 | msoos | Please guys... |
| 21:22.15 | bartm | msoos: i remember bugs on xorgs about lots of cpu use... maybe you find more info there |
| 21:22.35 | msoos | bartm this is not a 'regular' bug. X won't start *at all* |
| 21:22.42 | msoos | And I just upgraded my X |
| 21:22.55 | msoos | It hangs we can say |
| 21:23.09 | msoos | on the console. Not even bother reading the xorg.conf |
| 21:23.44 | bartm | msoos: have you read the bugs about the high cpu use? (I did not yet) |
| 21:24.46 | msoos | bartm: neither did I. But this is not high CPU usage. This is infinite cycle. There is a difference |
| 21:25.14 | cureless | msoos: btw, I was trying to help you before and told you to run strace |
| 21:25.25 | GeorgeS069 | great...I didn't selct any sources when I did the install so now I have none in sources.list |
| 21:26.03 | msoos | cureless: with gdb ? |
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| 21:26.13 | cureless | msoos: no, run strace X |
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| 21:26.25 | cureless | msoos: see where what it's doing when it loops |
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| 21:26.56 | msoos | cureless: I never used gdb before. can you tell me how? |
| 21:27.15 | cureless | msoos: it is not gdb |
| 21:27.30 | msoos | I can program in multiple languages (C, C++, java, Perl, etc), but I never in my life used a debugger (I know this is strange...) |
| 21:27.33 | bartm | msoos: maybe bug 347167, "xserver-xorg: 'X' server process consumes 100% CPU; apparent infinite loop" |
| 21:27.47 | msoos | bartm: sounds right :O |
| 21:27.54 | cureless | msoos: just run "strace X", then stop it and see what it was doing. And read the bugs. |
| 21:27.55 | msoos | bartm: is there a workaround? |
| 21:28.32 | msoos | cureless can you give me a link, please? My debian bugs links in my favourites in Konqueror... |
| 21:28.47 | bartm | msoos: if you want to know whether there's a workaround, I suggest that you start by reading that bug |
| 21:28.49 | cureless | msoos: a link to what? |
| 21:28.57 | msoos | to the bug |
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| 21:29.04 | k31th | im dd'ing a disk is there any way i can see how long its going to take ? |
| 21:29.48 | bartm | msoos: the link you asked for, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=347167 |
| 21:29.53 | msoos | THX |
| 21:30.07 | jonaskoelker | dondelelcaro: meh.. I googled for "debian-mentors upstream tag", and I searched the archives, but nothing useful showed up. |
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| 21:31.42 | abrotman | formorer: i tried .. my bot-fu is not strong enough |
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| 21:32.28 | msoos | cureless: nope, mine doesn't even read the damn config file |
| 21:32.34 | yawg | how do i make it so that my debian server can be accessed by \\hostname instead of \\ip.address |
| 21:32.48 | msoos | here the guy talks about the VESA driver doing strange things on the SiS |
| 21:32.51 | cureless | msoos: that doesn't change anything I've said. |
| 21:32.53 | msoos | I would be happy with that |
| 21:33.11 | cureless | msoos: you're using only debian sources right? |
| 21:33.14 | msoos | oh, sorry, it was bartm |
| 21:33.21 | bartm | msoos: he? |
| 21:33.21 | msoos | cureless right |
| 21:33.23 | GeorgeS069 | I added contrib and non-free to the end of my deb entries in sources.list but,can't find the flgrx packgs |
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| 21:33.49 | msoos | bartm, the link you said is not relevant, but thx anyways, I will navigate around |
| 21:33.51 | bartm | GeorgeS069: maybe you need to do "apt-get update" first |
| 21:33.55 | GeorgeS069 | I did |
| 21:33.58 | GeorgeS069 | twice |
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| 21:34.25 | GeorgeS069 | can I paste just one line to see if it looks ok? |
| 21:34.35 | RQ | mhm |
| 21:34.46 | RQ | but just one line |
| 21:34.46 | RQ | ;) |
| 21:34.54 | GeorgeS069 | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 21:35.01 | cureless | msoos: run strace X |
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| 21:35.11 | RQ | GeorgeS069, seems ok |
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| 21:35.50 | RQ | flgrx? |
| 21:35.59 | GeorgeS069 | and the error is Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "fglrx-driver" |
| 21:36.01 | RQ | try looking for fglrx |
| 21:36.02 | RQ | ;) |
| 21:36.19 | msoos | cureless. I got the strace in a file now |
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| 21:36.52 | cureless | msoos: did strace stop? |
| 21:37.01 | unstable | How can I find out what process is using my dvdrom so I can eject it? |
| 21:37.04 | RQ | GeorgeS069, I can only see fglrx* in unstable |
| 21:37.07 | bartm | GeorgeS069: maybe the fglrx packages are only in unstable |
| 21:37.18 | RQ | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=fglrx&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 21:37.26 | exalted | Hi. Since "dpkg-reconfigure --all" reconfigures all packages which can be configured with debconf, is there a way to list which packages can be configured with debconf on my system? Thank you. |
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| 21:37.27 | msoos | cureless no. I did Ctrl-C |
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| 21:37.37 | sandman | Has anyone manually compiled wine with Debian? WHen I ./configure, I get told that X development files are absent, when yet xserver-xorg-dev is installed. Any ideas? |
| 21:37.40 | jsan | hi my frineds |
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| 21:37.49 | jsan | how i install files .bin ? |
| 21:37.53 | RQ | sandman, you need developer libs |
| 21:38.02 | unstable | sandman: apt-get install x-dev libx11-dev ? |
| 21:38.03 | cureless | sandman: xorg-dev maybe |
| 21:38.04 | RQ | sandman, apt-cache search xserver dev |
| 21:38.04 | msoos | jsan: chmod + filename , then "./filename' |
| 21:38.14 | stormrider_may | hello, could someone tell me a good tutorial to make apache2 works with ssl? |
| 21:38.31 | msoos | cureless, and now what do I do with this strace thingie? |
| 21:38.56 | cureless | can you paste some of the last lines to pastebin.com |
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| 21:39.18 | msoos | cureless.... I dunno, though lynx it will be though |
| 21:39.18 | jsan | thanks |
| 21:39.22 | jsan | thanks |
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| 21:39.27 | msoos | through |
| 21:39.27 | david_ks | for some reason i cant use the up and down arrows when im looking at man pages, any help? |
| 21:39.39 | cureless | msoos: oh, ok, then do you see anything recognizable from the last lines? |
| 21:39.49 | bartm | david_ks: what is the pager? |
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| 21:40.15 | david_ks | i dont know, i guess thats the problem.... how do i check |
| 21:40.27 | GeorgeS069 | so how do I get just the fglrx pkgs without updating the whole system? |
| 21:40.38 | bartm | david_ks: see "man man" |
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| 21:40.59 | bartm | GeorgeS069: search google for "apt pinnign" |
| 21:41.06 | bartm | GeorgeS069: that is, "apt pinning" |
| 21:41.22 | GeorgeS069 | lol...i love how ya gotta know how to use something t learn how to use it:) |
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| 21:42.43 | bartm | GeorgeS069: enjoy, learn, read, enjoy :) |
| 21:42.49 | msoos | yes, of course. it is trying to access /usr/bin/X, /etc/ld.so.nohwcap (no such file or directory error here), and mkdir /etc/.X11-unix (file exits here), and read the file /etc/X.wrapper (which it can read). Also /etc/ld.so.cache and /etc/ld.so.preload and /lib/tls/libc6.so (reads it) |
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| 21:43.32 | adrakoa | hi |
| 21:43.37 | mo1991 | anyone have openoffice on amd64 working yet? |
| 21:44.05 | msoos | cureless: these operations, and only these in an infinite loop |
| 21:44.05 | mo1991 | ops wrong channel |
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| 21:44.32 | david_ks | i think the pager is more |
| 21:44.39 | msoos | it also does stat64(/dev/dri,dunnowhat) |
| 21:44.55 | david_ks | whats a pretty normal pager that will let me use the arrow keys? |
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| 21:45.08 | bartm | david_ks: you could try "export PAGER=less" and then "man man" again :) |
| 21:45.10 | exalted | Since "dpkg-reconfigure --all" reconfigures all packages which can be configured with debconf, is there a way to list which packages can be configured with debconf on my system? Thank you. |
| 21:45.11 | cureless | msoos: what did you do before it started failing? |
| 21:45.20 | msoos | cureles, I updated X, nothing else!! |
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| 21:45.28 | msoos | apt-get dist-update |
| 21:45.39 | cureless | msoos: what sources do you have? |
| 21:45.53 | msoos | And I have installed debian numerous times, on numerous machines, for about 4 years now... |
| 21:45.59 | Azar | streuner, how do I load the modules? : Starting sensor daemon: sensordError reading /proc or /sys; modules probably not loaded |
| 21:46.03 | msoos | etch |
| 21:46.33 | cureless | msoos: which X package do you have installed? |
| 21:46.34 | david_ks | oh i just didnt have less installed, thanks |
| 21:46.39 | streuner | Azar: they put those modules into /etc/modules ... |
| 21:46.42 | msoos | etch main - ONLY this. From ftp.hu.debian.org |
| 21:46.51 | mha13 | how do i search for pacages with apt-get ? |
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| 21:47.04 | bartm | mha13: with "apt-cache search packagename" |
| 21:47.04 | streuner | Azar: but HOW would you load a kernel module? ;-) |
| 21:47.23 | mha13 | bart:thnx |
| 21:47.23 | msoos | xserver-xorg version: 7.0.20 |
| 21:47.55 | msoos | I think it just went from 6.9 to 7... |
| 21:48.14 | msoos | but still, it should at least not use 100% cpu |
| 21:49.07 | Azar | ah thanks :) |
| 21:49.16 | cureless | msoos: just to make sure, what version of x11-common do you have? |
| 21:49.44 | Azar | :( libgd2-noxpm-dev and -xpm-dev not good for sarge uh |
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| 21:50.05 | msoos | 7.0.20 |
| 21:50.33 | cureless | msoos: and I assume apt-get -f install doesn't do anything |
| 21:50.33 | msoos | apt-get -f install gives me a total OK, everything is up-to-date, nothing broken |
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| 21:50.57 | msoos | yes, that is what I said :D It thought about the same thing :) |
| 21:51.18 | msoos | Well, strange, huh? |
| 21:51.25 | cureless | msoos: how about X -configure ? |
| 21:51.35 | msoos | I will switch over to unstable NOW |
| 21:51.44 | msoos | hmm... OK, one more chance |
| 21:51.58 | msoos | (BTW, why on Earth is X manual page NOT installed?!?!) |
| 21:52.28 | cureless | msoos: do an "aptitude install xorg" |
| 21:52.41 | AlienX | msoos, man xorg |
| 21:53.58 | msoos | did aptitude install, no effect. I did --configure, also 100% CPU |
| 21:54.28 | Shadowcat | so kill the process that's taking up the cpu |
| 21:55.02 | k-man1 | im trying to upgrade to xorg, but apt is complaining that its trying to overwrite /usr/X11R6/bin which is in packages that are already installed |
| 21:55.23 | k-man1 | if i force removal of the package, and try again, it has the same problem but with the next package |
| 21:55.34 | Shadowcat | more etch upgrade mess |
| 21:55.37 | Shadowcat | ... just great |
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| 21:55.54 | k-man1 | any ideas how i can either ignore all the problems or force it to do it anyway? |
| 21:56.01 | yawg | how do i make it so that my debian server can be accessed by \\hostname instead of \\ip.address |
| 21:56.14 | cureless | k-man: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 21:56.15 | yawg | (over the LAN) |
| 21:56.46 | msoos | thx AlienX .. at least now I know that --verbose 20 will up the verbosity on STDERR.. to no avail, really, because it still does not say anything |
| 21:56.57 | cureless | msoos: when you said X.wrapper, did you mean /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config? |
| 21:57.34 | cahoot | yawg: list it in the hosts file |
| 21:57.46 | yawg | ah i tried that, i guess i didn't do it right |
| 21:57.48 | yawg | thanks |
| 21:57.50 | cureless | msoos: are any of your partitions full? |
| 21:58.27 | msoos | The ULTIMATE!!! 'X -version' gives me 100% CPU |
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| 21:58.43 | msoos | this is *definitely* a bug, I have concluded. It drives me crazy, though. |
| 21:58.58 | unstable | msoos: What is a bug? |
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| 21:59.04 | msoos | they definitely should not be.. how can I check? |
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| 21:59.20 | cureless | msoos: df |
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| 21:59.35 | msoos | I have plenty |
| 22:00.08 | msoos | I am switching over to unstable. I bet it is more stable than this. X -version giving me 100% CPU is a *bit* strage I would say |
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| 22:00.31 | cureless | you know you might encounter more of the same in unstable |
| 22:00.40 | k-man1 | is there a way i can get a list of packages installed that have put things in /usr/X11R6/bin? |
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| 22:01.18 | cureless | msoos: one more thing, what do you have on LD_PRELOAD? |
| 22:01.21 | k-man1 | oh. never mind, i think i finaly deleted the last package that had something in /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 22:01.28 | k-man1 | its installing now |
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| 22:01.37 | yawg | cahoot: i'm not sure what to add to this file, i know i need to specify 192.168.1.4 but then it needs server.domain, i'm not sure what to put for that |
| 22:01.37 | opnsrc | Hey all |
| 22:01.46 | msoos | echo $LD_PRELOAD is empty |
| 22:01.54 | opnsrc | If I wante to check and see if I had any new distributions, do I need to update the list for that, or does apt-get update do that for me |
| 22:02.05 | opnsrc | Because apt-get dist-update doesn't work |
| 22:02.11 | cureless | msoos: and from the strace nothing else repeats right? |
| 22:02.17 | opnsrc | but if I typed in apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade-dist would apt-get update take care of that? |
| 22:02.18 | k-god | opnsrc: man apt-get |
| 22:02.19 | sandman | How can I tell what file a configure script is looking for to determine if a package is installed, like x development libraries for example |
| 22:02.22 | k-god | !tell opnsrc about aptitude |
| 22:02.32 | k-god | sandman: man strace |
| 22:02.47 | dondelelcaro | sandman: by looking at config.log or configure.log |
| 22:02.48 | k-god | sandman: ... or bash -x. Look to see what's being opened. |
| 22:02.51 | jsan | !tell jsan about aptitude |
| 22:02.55 | cahoot | yawg: look at man hosts |
| 22:03.02 | dondelelcaro | jsan: you can /msg the bots |
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| 22:04.50 | msoos | I KNOW!!! |
| 22:04.52 | msoos | OHHHHHHHH!!! |
| 22:05.03 | msoos | Where should /etc/X11/X point to? |
| 22:05.13 | david_ks | i have a sh script in my crontab that id showing up in the cron log file, but isnt doing the job its suposed to be doing any help? |
| 22:05.21 | msoos | I MADE an infinite loop! Me stupid! |
| 22:05.23 | cureless | msoos: /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 22:05.23 | k-god | msoos: Your X server. |
| 22:05.26 | msoos | Damn!!! |
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| 22:05.29 | msoos | I did it :D |
| 22:05.40 | cureless | msoos: I thought you said you only upgraded? |
| 22:05.49 | k-god | david_ks: run the script manually. 'bash -x <scriptname>' to see what it's doing. |
| 22:06.03 | david_ks | the script works fine when i run it |
| 22:06.27 | msoos | I did, but the damn upgrade went wrong, and the /etc/X11/X symlink did not work. I thought that pointing it to /usr/bin/X would be OK. What an a**hole I am! |
| 22:06.54 | amphi | msoos: heh |
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| 22:07.00 | cureless | why do people say they haven't done anything when they actually have |
| 22:07.11 | yawg | is there a command i need to run after editing /etc/hosts in order for the changes to take effect? |
| 22:07.41 | msoos | amphi, where the hell should it point? |
| 22:07.46 | cureless | yawg: no (not normally, but some programs may have read that and have it cached, usually this is done via resolve thouhg) |
| 22:08.01 | msoos | definitely not X, I am sure of that now. Where to, then? |
| 22:08.15 | cureless | msoos: to whatever package you installed, probably /usr/bin/Xorg, next time don't change stuff |
| 22:08.44 | amphi | msoos: /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg here (sarge + backport) |
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| 22:09.28 | tga | hey, how can I debug a wireless minipci card that doesn't want to talk to the router? I have a pcmcia card with the same chipset that works fine. |
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| 22:09.34 | Slyboots | Okay, Im quite confused as to how I use Samba.. |
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| 22:10.56 | k-god | yawg: hosts takes effect immediately. |
| 22:11.06 | yawg | hm.. still having trouble |
| 22:11.17 | yawg | i don't know what to put for the server.domain part |
| 22:11.26 | yawg | i think that is where the problem is |
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| 22:11.40 | mha13 | is there Kde 3.5.X for debian ? |
| 22:11.41 | k-god | yawg: /msg dpkg paster. What are you trying to do? Post current entry |
| 22:11.47 | k-god | !tell mha13 about search |
| 22:11.55 | Slyboots | !samba |
| 22:11.55 | dpkg | samba is probably a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 22:12.05 | k-god | yawg: Likely nothing for most cases. |
| 22:12.15 | sandman | Is there a way I can use anjuta to execute a script such that I may find which part of strace output corresponds with which part of the script? |
| 22:12.19 | Set | I want to change the MAC adress on my interface. "ifconfig eth2 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55" says "invalid argument" - what am I doing wrong? |
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| 22:13.55 | k-god | sandman: Generally, no. 'strace bash -x <script> 2>&1 ' may help though. |
| 22:14.10 | k-god | sandman: In general, what you're interested in is finding out what files are being opened and/or read. |
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| 22:14.19 | msoos | Shit. I got it. There was an apt error when I upgraded. I did not think much about it, I did apt-get -f install, and it did it. BUT! The xserver-xorg-core package did not install. So I had no Xorg binary AT ALL. I now have one. Cool.. let's see :D |
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| 22:14.54 | msoos | I did install, but without installing the damn Xorg binary |
| 22:15.27 | cureless | Set: that is the correct syntax, are you root? |
| 22:15.33 | Set | yes |
| 22:15.34 | amphi | msoos: more original than brilliant ;) |
| 22:16.08 | yawg | the thing i'm having trouble understanding is, i don't get why it needs to know my domain name for the local network, i don't think my local network is even aware of my domain name |
| 22:16.12 | cureless | Set: maybe the driver doesn't support it. Try a different address but I don't think that will help |
| 22:17.17 | Set | it was the driver, worked with another device |
| 22:17.32 | msoos | X works. Thank you for all of you guys, especially cureless |
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| 22:17.37 | Set | when I change the MAC adress... and it says that it was successful... why doesn't ifconfig tell me that the MAC is changed? |
| 22:17.56 | msoos | and bartm |
| 22:18.04 | samuel | if i make something SUID then will it execute with the owners permissions? i have a script that needs to run as root... and i would like to execute it by any user |
| 22:18.12 | samuel | just mounts some things |
| 22:18.43 | msoos | It took me 1.5 hours to solve this. And I thought I am a Linux-guru :D |
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| 22:19.02 | msoos | I should be using Windows as a punishment |
| 22:21.03 | Slyboots | Does Samba only connect to a Windows Domain? |
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| 22:21.31 | msoos | Yay. From XChat now :D |
| 22:21.37 | msoos | Thx again guys |
| 22:21.53 | cureless | msoos: next time you'll know you're not a guru. |
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| 22:23.08 | samuel | where can i put some comands to execute on bootup? in an init script in particular or should i make one? |
| 22:23.20 | k-god | sandman: man crontab '@boot' |
| 22:23.39 | k-god | sandman: ... or create a SysV init script. less /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README* |
| 22:23.44 | msoos | You know that is funny? I have a B.Sc in IT, I am doing test automation with a firm, and I have to use vmware images with only bash(sometimes only sh) on them with these strange OS-es like FreeBBSD and OpenBSD, and I have to install&configure it to use sendmail and qmail and I can do it. Only from command promt, naturally. |
| 22:24.01 | k-god | !tell sandman about sysvinit |
| 22:24.05 | Shadowcat | msoos: yet you're still clueless |
| 22:24.14 | msoos | I am, it seems :D |
| 22:24.23 | Shadowcat | good to know universities are keeping the standard of education up these days |
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| 22:24.42 | msoos | I think my mind got screwed up, looking at temrinals at work&at home |
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| 22:24.59 | k-god | How to tap a keg, and avoid the brown acid. |
| 22:25.46 | msoos | I actually just got a PhD from france (I have been offered two more, too, but I truned them down). I am from Hungary, BTW |
| 22:26.10 | Shadowcat | oh PhD from France doesn't inspire much confidence |
| 22:26.18 | Shadowcat | ok* |
| 22:26.20 | msoos | I know :D |
| 22:26.20 | thingfish | why not? |
| 22:26.30 | msoos | But INRIA is a good research place |
| 22:26.32 | Shadowcat | thingfish: France |
| 22:26.40 | rxed | check this out. it's hot. http://www.flickr.com/photos/theofpa/167011569/in/photostream/ |
| 22:27.01 | msoos | South of France is really good |
| 22:27.01 | Serinity | Well, sorry, france has great people when it comes to computing |
| 22:27.09 | Serinity | ... and science in general |
| 22:27.10 | thingfish | Shadowcat: so what? There's nothing wrong with France's academic standards. European academic standards are often higher than those in the U.S. |
| 22:27.15 | msoos | But Paris, for instance, I heard is not so good at Tech stuff |
| 22:27.28 | Shadowcat | thingfish: I'm from Europe |
| 22:27.35 | Shadowcat | I still don't like the French |
| 22:27.35 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:27.39 | msoos | Shadowcat, where are you from? |
| 22:27.49 | Slyboots | Hmm.. |
| 22:27.49 | thingfish | well that's a different thing entirely then, isn't it, Shadowcat? |
| 22:27.51 | thingfish | ;) |
| 22:27.53 | Shadowcat | msoos: learn how to use whois :P |
| 22:27.58 | Slyboots | I run "swat" (Samba config) |
| 22:27.58 | msoos | whois Shadowcat |
| 22:28.00 | Slyboots | But nothing happens |
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| 22:28.06 | Slyboots | No messages, no dialog boxes |
| 22:28.10 | msoos | Sweden |
| 22:28.13 | yawg | would it be wise for me to install BIND instead of trying to fiddle with /etc/hosts ? |
| 22:28.15 | thingfish | hah I remain unbruised. |
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| 22:29.12 | rxed | That' picture is from Greece. :) |
| 22:29.28 | thingfish | ooo Greece, cool. |
| 22:29.28 | msoos | All right, I have go get up at 7:20, and it's already 0:29 here |
| 22:29.47 | thingfish | six hours is about all I can sleep anyway. |
| 22:29.51 | msoos | THX for destroying my fantasy that I am a Linux guru. It really helped :D |
| 22:29.51 | rxed | geek paradise. |
| 22:29.53 | msoos | Bye! |
| 22:30.02 | thingfish | oh you got me there, Shadowcat - ick. |
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| 22:30.25 | Shadowcat | Madonna's songs are produced in this country anyway |
| 22:30.33 | thingfish | England? |
| 22:30.42 | thingfish | oh you |
| 22:30.57 | thingfish | ok if I must... |
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| 22:31.18 | thingfish | ah, sweden |
| 22:31.33 | thingfish | I had a roomie from sweden in college |
| 22:31.35 | rxed | sweden? ppfft. |
| 22:31.41 | rxed | I lived there for 5 years. |
| 22:31.44 | BIAF | can anyone tell me what is the best build of linux to run a webserver to provide PHP/PERL,SendMail,SQL,Webmin, I would like to be able to offer webmin to each user etc. |
| 22:32.03 | Shadowcat | if you're asking that you should be looking for an admin |
| 22:32.08 | Shadowcat | not trying to do it yourself |
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| 22:35.23 | BIAF | is there an admin in the house |
| 22:35.49 | linrunix | hi everybody |
| 22:36.30 | dondelelcaro | BIAF: you don't want to use webmin; besides that, Debian is probably the best to run. |
| 22:37.12 | Shadowcat | dondelelcaro: which can be debated as "best" is subjective |
| 22:37.28 | Shadowcat | my point is that if you're asking it you'd probably get less trouble just hiring someone to do it |
| 22:37.32 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: hence the qualifier |
| 22:37.53 | Shadowcat | you can do all that on <insert linux distro here>, it all depends on the person implementing it |
| 22:37.56 | BIAF | thanks m8, im using ubuntu, but i just was looking somethign that if ever again my sql etc all go down, i can install some from of LAMP etc to get up fast again, i found ubuntu a bit of a nightmare trying to get up after a crash. |
| 22:38.34 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 22:38.38 | Shadowcat | ubuntu is simple to fix |
| 22:38.40 | BIAF | i will try Debian |
| 22:38.45 | Shadowcat | ... if you know what you are doing |
| 22:38.53 | Shadowcat | if you don't you'll be pulling out hair with any distro |
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| 22:39.28 | Shadowcat | fixing ubuntu is pretty much the same as fixing debian |
| 22:39.48 | dondelelcaro | 'cept that's #ubuntu's problem, not ours. |
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| 22:39.57 | BIAF | what needs fixed? |
| 22:39.59 | Shadowcat | true |
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| 22:40.29 | Shadowcat | just saying, if you know dpkg/apt well enough you can pretty much fix any debian based distro provided you know a few package names |
| 22:40.32 | Slyboots | "Cont not connect to server" |
| 22:40.36 | Slyboots | "The account was Disabled" |
| 22:40.37 | BIAF | whats broke man? |
| 22:40.38 | j-bit | Kernel question, I've grabbed kernel_package with aptitude. Now I'd like to run make menuconfig to see whats in this version, but I don't know where aptitude installed my kernel sources. /usr/src/linux is empty.. o what am I to do? |
| 22:41.06 | jdhutchin1 | did you check /usr/src ? |
| 22:41.12 | jdhutchin1 | there should be a tarball in there |
| 22:41.14 | j-bit | yeah its empty |
| 22:41.29 | jdhutchin1 | you also need to grab the appropriate linux-source package |
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| 22:41.42 | j-bit | ok, let me check on that... |
| 22:41.43 | jdhutchin1 | kernel_package is the debian kernel building stuff, basically make-kpkg |
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| 22:42.22 | Slyboots | Dunno, I can see both machiens on the network, but I cant connect |
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| 22:42.47 | yawg | this /etc/hosts thing has officially stumped me |
| 22:43.06 | yawg | it seems like no matter what i add, i still can't access my computer with \\hostname |
| 22:43.33 | j-bit | there is no "linux-source" in aptitude, at least the / find doesn't find it. |
| 22:43.44 | j-bit | does it go under a different name? |
| 22:43.47 | j-bit | the kernel that is |
| 22:44.10 | yawg | kernel-image-2.x |
| 22:44.14 | yawg | j-bit: |
| 22:44.20 | j-bit | yawg: thanks |
| 22:45.39 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 22:45.43 | GeorgeS069 | yawg : you are trying to access samba on another machine using \\hostname instead of \\127.0.0.1 or whatever IP? |
| 22:45.52 | yawg | GeorgeS069: exactly |
| 22:45.55 | Shadowcat | I seriously doubt j-bit should even be compiling a kernel if he can't even get the source |
| 22:46.02 | Shadowcat | I mean hell, www.kernel.org (duh) |
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| 22:46.09 | yawg | Shadowcat: :p |
| 22:46.13 | Shadowcat | it's not rocket science |
| 22:46.31 | GeorgeS069 | yawg : I'm no "guru" but,that sounds more like a netbios config than /etc/hosts |
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| 22:46.44 | yawg | GeorgeS069: oh, i was just following the advice of someone else in here |
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| 22:47.12 | GeorgeS069 | using \\hostname should lookup the netbios name |
| 22:47.46 | tarzeau | !spray |
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| 22:48.02 | kepht | as result of xorg upgrade, and attempts to fix fonts ..how do i setup fonts from scratch? |
| 22:48.04 | GeorgeS069 | now that may do something different if you use something like name.domain.com |
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| 22:48.12 | j-bit | Shadowcat: Suppose it never occured to you that some people have used other distros eh? Maybe think next time, k thx |
| 22:48.19 | yawg | GeorgeS069: so where do i need to edit to fix this? |
| 22:48.21 | tarzeau | Gnea: can you give abrotman this url when he's there? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/spray.jpg |
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| 22:48.27 | yawg | locate netbios turned up nothing |
| 22:48.36 | GeorgeS069 | crap...knew you were gonna ask that |
| 22:48.48 | Shadowcat | j-bit: if you used another distro I would expect you to know where to download a linux kernel source tarball |
| 22:48.55 | GeorgeS069 | I beleieve it can be set in smb.conf |
| 22:48.57 | BIAF | dondelelcaro : what in your experance is a good user webpanel, cpanel? |
| 22:49.30 | GeorgeS069 | If you used swat all the good info in smb.conf is gone |
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| 22:50.07 | j-bit | Shadowcat: uh yeah, my question was about getting the kernel though aptitude and doing it the debian way. thanks |
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| 22:51.36 | kevinv | Hello all |
| 22:51.45 | Shadowcat | j-bit: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:52.26 | Drizzt321 | I just installed testing via netstall, and I'm trying to install xserver-common, which depends on x11-common >=6.8.1. dpkg -l x11-common says it is version 7.0.20, should I just go ahead and download the .deb for xserver-common and force install? |
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| 22:53.32 | j-bit | Shadowcat: I'm running 3.1 |
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| 22:53.32 | Shadowcat | j-bit: and what kernel do you want to compile? |
| 22:54.30 | kevinv | I noticed a problem with the latest zsnes packages in testing which I do not think it is in stable. Or it also might be the ALSA package, it is a sound problem. It occurs on more than one sound card. I have two different systems. Anyways, the sound in zsnes is somewhat staticly, any ideas? Could I possible use the zsnes from stable and still use the testing repo? How does one get the joystick to work under stable. I have my Gravis game |
| 22:54.30 | kevinv | pad working successfully under testing, but I cannot get it to work correctly under sarge/stable, any ideas? |
| 22:55.12 | j-bit | Shadowcat: 2.6.8-2-386. Actually I just want to get in the menuconfig and poke around. |
| 22:55.26 | Drizzt321 | anyone? |
| 22:55.53 | kevinv | also it's not just debian testing, but also the lastest Ubuntu LTS 6.06. |
| 22:56.23 | kevinv | What can I say with an 80GB HDD, I just can't resist on having multiple distros installed. heh |
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| 22:56.59 | BIAF | hey i like this minimal cd boot on offer, 180mb only, will be able to test it out in no time :)) |
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| 22:57.51 | kevinv | BIAF: I can download it in no time(630kb/s dl rate). |
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| 22:59.06 | Azar | streuner what could be the command to load lm_sensors at boot? rc-update does not seem to work? |
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| 22:59.35 | streuner | Azar: usually it just works |
| 22:59.53 | BIAF | hehe, (59kb/s here only) |
| 22:59.53 | Azar | thanks streuner, I was readong an old documentation :) |
| 23:00.07 | BIAF | 13% :D |
| 23:00.14 | streuner | Azar: uhm, i didn't use it in sarge |
| 23:00.17 | axolx | hey guys. since XOrg 7 was incorporated to Etch, I'm having lots of font problems in X. for example, xfontsel says "Unable to load any usable ISO8859 font". any ideas what may have gotten broken? |
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| 23:01.25 | dmesg | hi |
| 23:01.31 | k-man1 | which xorg driver should i choose for a matrox geforce 400? |
| 23:01.42 | dmesg | how do i know how many packages i got installed? |
| 23:01.49 | kevinv | BIAF: wow, maybe you should just order the debian CDs. Downloading new packages on demand might be a little slow. |
| 23:02.00 | stew | dmesg: dpkg -l | grep "^.i" | wc -l |
| 23:02.07 | dmesg | stew ok |
| 23:02.15 | streuner | k-man1: aren't geforce nvidia? |
| 23:02.25 | kevinv | BIAF: The 180MB CD doesn't come with much, just the base system. No X, just the basic console apps. |
| 23:02.25 | BIAF | eheh |
| 23:02.39 | Azar | yay! it works :) |
| 23:02.42 | dmesg | stew to see them name by name |
| 23:02.54 | GeorgeS069 | yawg : you still here? |
| 23:02.55 | BIAF | dam i was hoping for something that had a mouse and gui like windows |
| 23:02.56 | stew | dmesg: get rid of the | wc -l |
| 23:02.59 | yawg | GeorgeS069: yeah |
| 23:03.04 | yawg | still not working |
| 23:03.08 | dmesg | stew ok |
| 23:03.09 | GeorgeS069 | try this http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/manual4/smbconfa.html |
| 23:03.10 | BIAF | eheehe |
| 23:03.11 | yawg | do i need to restart samba or something |
| 23:03.14 | stew | dmesg: actaully the number it gives you would be 5 too many becuase of the header on dpkg -l |
| 23:03.15 | yawg | after i config? |
| 23:03.32 | yawg | i thought the changes took effect after writing the file |
| 23:03.39 | stew | dmesg: i lied, it won't be 5 too many, it will be right |
| 23:03.44 | GeorgeS069 | yes...after you make changes do a /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 23:03.50 | dmesg | stew ok |
| 23:03.51 | yawg | ohhh d'oh |
| 23:03.52 | yawg | haha |
| 23:04.00 | Drizzt321 | anyone know about any issue in testing/etch dealing with xserver-common and x11-common? |
| 23:04.04 | BIAF | kev : but theres access to theses packages via the connection at later date right? |
| 23:04.16 | GeorgeS069 | the part you need is right at the top of that page I pasted |
| 23:04.30 | GeorgeS069 | netbios name = xxxx |
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| 23:04.37 | k-man1 | streuner: yeah, i think so, i chose nv, but it didn't work |
| 23:05.18 | streuner | k-man1: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
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| 23:06.03 | fhffhqvb | how do i tell gcc to use 2 cpu's? |
| 23:06.07 | Bitz | hi, is file like rc.local that i can run stuffs on bootup? |
| 23:06.15 | Bitz | is there... |
| 23:06.26 | GeorgeS069 | gcc -p2 I think |
| 23:06.26 | streuner | !tell Bitz about rc.local |
| 23:06.44 | kevinv | BIAF: yes there is, but I would recommend a fast connection to access the packages. |
| 23:06.49 | fhffhqvb | is there a gcc configuration file somewhere or do i have to edit a makefile or what |
| 23:07.05 | k-man1 | streuner: matrox mga g400 |
| 23:07.06 | Bitz | or i can just create a /etc/rc.local? |
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| 23:07.25 | GeorgeS069 | fhffhqvb : just use the -p2 when you run gcc |
| 23:07.26 | Bitz | thanks |
| 23:07.46 | fhffhqvb | GeorgeS069: i don't run gcc by itself when i do something like make bzImage |
| 23:08.10 | k-man1 | streuner: i thikn its a problem with my xorg.conf file... i'll fix it later |
| 23:08.13 | k-man1 | thanks for your help |
| 23:08.24 | GeorgeS069 | good point..sorry |
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| 23:08.30 | streuner | there were some problems in the past... |
| 23:08.55 | fhffhqvb | so... how do i tell anything to use one cpu or the other or both. |
| 23:08.57 | streuner | dunno if they still exist |
| 23:09.04 | kevinv | BIAF: What you could do, is if a friend has a faster connection is download the packages and/or CD images which you could bring to your slower connection box. |
| 23:09.07 | GeorgeS069 | fhffhqvb : not sure but,maybe try make -p2 |
| 23:09.16 | Drizzt321 | anyone know of any problems with the nvidia binary driver and xorg? I installed the driver but xorg is saying it can't find nvidia or glx, yet they are in the X11R6 lib dir.help anyone? |
| 23:09.20 | fhffhqvb | things like perl, for instance. |
| 23:09.47 | fhffhqvb | !seen abrotman |
| 23:09.47 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 38m 5s ago, saying: 'formorer: i tried .. my bot-fu is not strong enough'. |
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| 23:10.21 | streuner | k-man1: what version of debian? |
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| 23:10.52 | streuner | k-man1: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:11.32 | HasKellIsBetter | I opened a PDF file in epiphany |
| 23:11.43 | HasKellIsBetter | it is sideways |
| 23:11.50 | HasKellIsBetter | on windows I can rotate 90 deg |
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| 23:11.54 | HasKellIsBetter | I cant in xpdf |
| 23:12.00 | HasKellIsBetter | is ther a better pdf viewer? |
| 23:12.10 | HasKellIsBetter | with rotation? |
| 23:12.41 | streuner | apt-cache search pdf viewer? |
| 23:12.50 | beardy | HasKellIsBetter: Well, better is a metter of personal taste, but sure, there is other viewers. kghostview (requires kde libs), and what streuner said. |
| 23:12.54 | beardy | matter |
| 23:12.57 | kevinv | HasKellIsBetter: Have you tryed gpdf? |
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| 23:13.17 | streuner | another one would be kpdf |
| 23:13.27 | streuner | xpdf |
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| 23:13.41 | streuner | or acroread which is in marillat's sources |
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| 23:14.14 | streuner | did i forget some other pdf viewer? |
| 23:14.19 | streuner | gv |
| 23:14.32 | kevinv | aren't packages named kinda funky at times... xpdf, gpdf, kpdf, etc... There's even a StepPDF somewhere, or named something very similar for OpenStep. |
| 23:14.55 | kevinv | kpdf for KDE, gpdf for GNOME, xpdf for general X, etc... |
| 23:15.16 | beardy | streuner: Is gv ghostview, and kghostview the same, but with kde look? |
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| 23:16.17 | kevinv | I thought you could download acroread directly from the Adobe FTP archive and install it manually in any distro. Me thinks they are in static binary form. |
| 23:16.19 | Coweater | evince is pretty decent |
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| 23:16.50 | beardy | kevinv: WHy do that, (if you want that, at all) when it is packaged? |
| 23:16.50 | streuner | kpdf depends on qt-libs, acroread is based on GTK2, gv is pretty different |
| 23:17.50 | amphi | streuner: acroread no longer statically linked with motif? ;) |
| 23:18.09 | streuner | well, new one is based on GTK2 |
| 23:18.13 | kevinv | beardy: Well, a matter of fact, I manually install most comercial apps(JRE, Flash, Codecs, etc...) |
| 23:18.20 | mtomczak | Greetings all! Is there a way to probe the name of my video card in software? I have a loaned ATI card without its documentation... I'm not sure which it is looking at the hardware itself. |
| 23:18.49 | amphi | mtomczak: lspci should say something about it |
| 23:18.49 | beardy | kevinv: That's your choice. |
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| 23:19.27 | mtomczak | amphi: Ah, that's the one :-p This is the problem with making changes to hardware so infrequently---I forget the commands between tries. |
| 23:19.33 | beardy | mtomczak: lspci -v |
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| 23:19.49 | kevinv | I dis-like having an over crowed sources.list file. Plus sometimes the package doesn't install the plugins in the correct locations, eg... most plugins install for mozilla but not for firefox or other browers. I basicly like control. T'is why I don't use Windows :P |
| 23:20.09 | beardy | mtomczak: 'lspci -vv | less' /vga |
| 23:20.35 | mtomczak | Got it :) |
| 23:20.35 | BIAF | nice to know whats going on system, I hope to do the same by starting with the minimal cd install |
| 23:20.40 | j-bit | Does anyone know where I might find good guide for downloading, configuring, compiling, and installing a new kernel "The Debian Way"? |
| 23:20.49 | beardy | kevinv: If you like control, using the packagesystem would be the logical way. |
| 23:20.50 | mtomczak | Cool, and it believes it is an ATI; that's good news! |
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| 23:21.33 | beardy | !tell j-bit -about kp |
| 23:21.37 | slara | hi |
| 23:21.43 | mtomczak | Now, that was a warm-up to my next question: I'm trying to get X11 to come up with this card. The console is working fine, but when I try to rouse X11 (I believe it's the Xorg version) I get "No such device." |
| 23:22.05 | j-bit | beardy: thanks :) |
| 23:22.14 | kevinv | beardy: sorta, but the packaging system isn't as up to date sometimes as the actuall comercial distributor. |
| 23:22.26 | mtomczak | 'modprobe -v fglrx' gives me "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686-smp/misc/fglrx.ko): No such device" |
| 23:22.57 | slara | how can i select wich file to download in a torrent file with btdownload* ? no gui. |
| 23:23.09 | kevinv | I had to install firefox manual from the mozilla website just to have to latest firefox installed. |
| 23:23.10 | mtomczak | I'm afraid I'm not sure what the next step is to take, since the hardware is installed and working and the configuration step (dkpg-reconfigure) didn't report any errors. |
| 23:23.19 | amphi | mtomczak: what is the card? |
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| 23:23.31 | beardy | kevinv: Well, commercial, proprietary software is not part of Debian, and not supported here, that was my point. And if you want to break your system, it's up to you. |
| 23:23.51 | kevinv | Thus after installing firefox manually, the packages that had plugins were all fussy about depends. |
| 23:24.00 | beardy | See? |
| 23:24.17 | kevinv | beardy: So what's the excuse for mozilla firefox not being the latest then, hmm? |
| 23:24.27 | beardy | kevinv: latest where? |
| 23:24.43 | beardy | kevinv: The excuse is that your not helping the packagemanger. |
| 23:24.49 | HasKellIsBetter | damn |
| 23:24.55 | kevinv | beardy: Mozilla firefox on the website is at 1.5.? or, but debian testing doesn't have it. :( |
| 23:24.55 | thingfish | kevinv: get it from backports.org. |
| 23:24.58 | HasKellIsBetter | 2 pdf viewers down |
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| 23:25.05 | HasKellIsBetter | getting linux v of adobce reader |
| 23:25.07 | Shadowcat | debian testing does have 1.5 |
| 23:25.11 | HasKellIsBetter | wow |
| 23:25.19 | thingfish | backports.org has 1.5.0.4 |
| 23:25.42 | kevinv | beardy: I guess I didn't check tesing for sometime now, but anyways, it's installed now, not turning back... |
| 23:25.48 | thingfish | You can't go crazy getting backports.org stuff, but their firefox is fine. |
| 23:26.04 | amphi | and xorg is fine |
| 23:26.22 | thingfish | well on my system at least, backports' xorg wants to remove gnome. |
| 23:26.27 | mtomczak | Uh-oh, I think I may know the problem... this Radeon card is "RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]" |
| 23:26.33 | BIAF | mtomczak : is ur graphics a the Radeon Mobility M6 LY ? |
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| 23:26.40 | BIAF | hmm |
| 23:26.41 | amphi | thingfish: good idea ;) |
| 23:26.45 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:26.49 | thingfish | :) |
| 23:26.56 | Meaw | guys locate isn't working in debian |
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| 23:26.59 | mtomczak | amphi: Am I S.O.L. on driver support for that model? |
| 23:27.00 | kevinv | Well if I am given a /opt directory, why keep it empty and neglected? It's there to be used right? |
| 23:27.02 | Meaw | i got this message |
| 23:27.03 | Meaw | deb:/etc/apache2/sites-available# locate radious.so |
| 23:27.03 | Meaw | locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 23:27.12 | amphi | mtomczak: that's fully supported by the xorg driver; fglrx will not work with it, IIRC |
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| 23:27.19 | Shadowcat | kevinv: I usually stick stuff like matlab and maple in there |
| 23:27.21 | amphi | mtomczak: see man radeon |
| 23:27.26 | Shadowcat | as well as eclipse |
| 23:27.34 | BIAF | i think that card/family got issues |
| 23:27.42 | BIAF | try standard vesa driver |
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| 23:27.49 | amphi | Meaw: try doing updatedb |
| 23:27.50 | mtomczak | Ah. They've got a manpage for everything these days, they do ;) |
| 23:27.53 | xomhauvtt | hi all |
| 23:28.00 | Shadowcat | mtomczak: not man life |
| 23:28.01 | kevinv | There are many packages I have yet to see being added to debian, such as swftools, or even a good flash editor, of course it would have to be GPL'd. |
| 23:28.03 | BIAF | windows xp finds that card |
| 23:28.10 | BIAF | joke ^ |
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| 23:28.45 | j-bit | !tell j-bit -about kp mantra |
| 23:28.46 | mtomczak | Okay, great! That's a good next step. If I hit another wall, I'll check here first^H^H^H^H^Hthird, after Google and the FAQ. ;) |
| 23:28.48 | xomhauvtt | why i can unzip somepackage into /usr/local under normal user? but i can't create a file or dir? |
| 23:28.50 | amphi | mtomczak: the xorg driver works well here on my 7500, 3d accel 'n' all |
| 23:28.54 | mtomczak | Thanks so much for the help! :) |
| 23:28.59 | BIAF | lol |
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| 23:29.19 | slara | how can i deselect a file to not download it in a torrent file with btdownload* ? no gui. |
| 23:30.17 | kevinv | xomhauvtt: Firstly, you can stick anything anywhere unless the permissions are correct. As root, chown a directory inside /usr/local as your user and try again. |
| 23:31.16 | xomhauvtt | kevinv: thank y |
| 23:31.18 | xomhauvtt | kevinv: thank you |
| 23:31.59 | GeorgeS069 | yawg : any luck? |
| 23:32.03 | yawg | nope |
| 23:32.03 | kevinv | xomhauvtt: your welcome. you do know how to use chown right? Is it a source package, or a binary? |
| 23:32.04 | yawg | i gave up |
| 23:32.08 | GeorgeS069 | :( |
| 23:32.28 | yawg | it could also be a problem with the windows computer i'm trying to access it with |
| 23:32.34 | yawg | too many variables |
| 23:32.39 | GeorgeS069 | Did you set netbios name = host in smb.conf ? |
| 23:32.50 | yawg | that option wasn't even in my smb.conf |
| 23:32.53 | yawg | i had to add it |
| 23:32.55 | GeorgeS069 | C'mon dude...we can do this:) |
| 23:32.57 | yawg | and it didn't work, so i removed it |
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| 23:33.12 | yawg | it isn't *that* big of a deal |
| 23:33.16 | GeorgeS069 | did you restart samba after you added it? |
| 23:33.20 | yawg | i'm not losing any functionality over it |
| 23:33.24 | yawg | GeorgeS069: yeah |
| 23:33.29 | kevinv | yawg: did you try a smb.conf front-end app, such as webmin, or swat? |
| 23:33.31 | k-man1 | when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, where does it store the new config file? |
| 23:33.36 | yawg | kevinv: no |
| 23:33.40 | gentgeen__ | How do I shutdown GDM so it does not run on boot ... but I do NOT want to unistall it. (doing computer repair work, and will be booting & rebooting a number of times) |
| 23:33.51 | thingfish | k-man1: /etc/X11/xorg.conf iirc |
| 23:33.56 | beardy | j-bit: /msg dpkg kp instead of !telling yourself. |
| 23:34.07 | BIAF | yawg : has your windows pc got zonealarm etc loaded, linux wont see it until you trust the ip range for ur local area |
| 23:34.09 | k-man1 | thingfish: hmm... it doesn't seem to be there when i run it |
| 23:34.18 | beardy | !ur |
| 23:34.18 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 23:34.20 | yawg | oh huh |
| 23:34.23 | k-man1 | either its not saving the file after i run it or its storing it somewhere else |
| 23:34.27 | yawg | i have symmantec antivirus and firewall |
| 23:34.30 | yawg | that might be it |
| 23:34.34 | BIAF | defo |
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| 23:34.59 | BIAF | theres no way any software/firewall on windows will let netbio through unless off or trused zone |
| 23:34.59 | charzero | Any chance anybody has an xorg.conf for ati fglrx on an IBM Thinkpad? |
| 23:35.07 | yawg | ahahha |
| 23:35.08 | yawg | omg |
| 23:35.11 | GeorgeS069 | yawg : turn them off jst to test |
| 23:35.11 | j-bit | beardy: Ok, will do. Sorry |
| 23:35.18 | yawg | BIAF: thankyou |
| 23:35.20 | BIAF | :) |
| 23:35.23 | BIAF | nps |
| 23:35.24 | gentgeen__ | How do I shutdown GDM so it does not run on boot ... but I do NOT want to unistall it. |
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| 23:35.58 | beardy | gentgeen__: /msg dpkg update-rc.d and /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 23:36.11 | kevinv | yawg: Backup your smb.conf and attempt to configure it via a front-end, it easier to administrate. Also a good point added there, I had problems connected because of a Windows-based firewall application. If that doesn't work then I would suggest using a linux smbclient on the same computer as the samba server to test the server via a loopback connection. |
| 23:37.03 | beardy | gentgeen__: To shut it down, '/etc/init.d/gdm stop' |
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| 23:37.20 | stony | hi |
| 23:37.38 | kevinv | gentgeen__: The best way is to make the /etc/init.d/gdm not executable. |
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| 23:37.50 | gentgeen__ | beardy: the first one was what I was trying to remember.... I will be rebooting the machine a number of times |
| 23:38.03 | oaoua | couldn't you also change default runlevel in inittab? |
| 23:38.03 | kepht | what package sets up /usr/lib/X11/fonts? i need to re-install fonts.. |
| 23:38.05 | gentgeen__ | don't want to have to ssh into the box over and over just to kill gdm |
| 23:38.12 | gentgeen__ | beardy: thanks |
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| 23:38.19 | stony | what's the difference between the "debian-amd64" and debian-pure64 directories on amd64.debian.net ? |
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| 23:38.24 | thingfish | sysvconfig is good at governing items like gdm. |
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| 23:39.02 | kevinv | gentgeen__: Thus on your next boot, the init scripts will see that /etc/init.d/gdm isn't executable and will not run, then to re-enable it make it executable again. chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm |
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| 23:39.31 | gentgeen__ | kevinv: nice idea to... never thought of that |
| 23:39.32 | thingfish | why not just use sysvconfig to not allow gdm to start? It's easy. |
| 23:39.35 | gentgeen__ | s/to/too |
| 23:39.50 | yawg | hm |
| 23:40.00 | yawg | what port is used for windows network naming? |
| 23:40.08 | kepht | following a (bad) upgrade to xorg7, i've tried purging xfonts-base as suggested on wiki page, ..now have missing fonts, ie. xfonts-100dpi complains that /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi doesn't exist |
| 23:40.22 | GeorgeS069 | yawg : 139 I think |
| 23:40.27 | GeorgeS069 | udp |
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| 23:40.38 | GeorgeS069 | there are others |
| 23:40.38 | kevinv | thingfish: for one, that way invloves more work, installing a new app, learning a new app, when you can simply do it manual with no extra software/knowlodge. |
| 23:40.41 | kepht | is there a package that rebuilds fonts? |
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| 23:41.08 | thingfish | kevinv: your way is inelegant. sysvconfig has absolutely no learning curve. |
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| 23:41.11 | godmachine81 | wheres my good ol buddy abrotman |
| 23:41.14 | sandman | Has anyone had any trouble with anjuta just failing to start? I looked at strace, and it looks like a memory allocation problem, which leads me to believe it has to do with the kernel I'm using (2.6.16). Has anyone else experienced anything like this? |
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| 23:42.02 | obscure | what does strace say |
| 23:42.03 | stony | aaah, hallowed be thy mailinglist ;) |
| 23:42.08 | gentgeen__ | thingfish: kevinv way might be inelegant, but since I only want to do it for a short while (as I do some work) it is perfect |
| 23:42.13 | Meaw | guys i'd install ppp version 2.4.2b3 i want to remove it and install 2.4.3 |
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| 23:42.26 | sandman | localhost kernel: Bad page state in process 'kswapd0' <== I'm getting messages like that, and this: localhost kernel: Trying to fix it up, but a reboot is needed |
| 23:42.27 | gentgeen__ | not looking to do this often, just while I do the various reboots during some toubleshooting |
| 23:42.29 | Meaw | how to uninstall the ppp version 2.4.2b3? after i compile it |
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| 23:42.47 | obscure | your kernel is fucked |
| 23:42.56 | kevinv | thingfish: I don't use front-end software as much to do simple tasks which I can script, for example from a simple script I could ssh to the box and run it to enable and dis-able any init service in seconds. Thus using less memory, less HDD space, and less effort. |
| 23:43.00 | BIAF | atleast say phucked |
| 23:43.06 | sandman | munmap(0xa7f7e000, 4096) = 0, then : --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 23:43.18 | thingfish | no comment |
| 23:43.31 | beardy | #no comment |
| 23:43.44 | kevinv | I sometimes wish Windows would add better scripting support. |
| 23:44.06 | thingfish | #beardy |
| 23:44.06 | sandman | This appears to only be happening with 2.6.16, altough the kernel is still _running_ I suppose |
| 23:44.13 | beardy | kevinv: You wish. Do it yourself, cygwin, perl, python, whatever. |
| 23:44.25 | obscure | sandman kswapd is a kernel process |
| 23:44.32 | BIAF | this iso install with a win 3.11 look, nice... |
| 23:44.36 | sandman | obscure: So it has to do with my swap |
| 23:44.37 | oaoua | kevinv: just use the windows unix interoperability package.. |
| 23:44.41 | obscure | i dont think anjuta has anything to do with it, unless it exposes the bug somehow |
| 23:44.46 | BIAF | installs* |
| 23:45.11 | kevinv | beardy: Ah, but now the space requirments for this extra software. I work with smaller drives not meant to do much but boot windows and do simple operations. |
| 23:45.33 | beardy | kevinv: Why do you need scripting then? |
| 23:45.44 | kevinv | oaoua: How are the space requirements on that, and hows the compatibly with BASH scripting? |
| 23:45.48 | beardy | kevinv: Or, why do you run windows, if not for gaming? |
| 23:46.05 | lamby | kevinv: looked at vbscript? iirc that runs on the command line and has a large install base |
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| 23:46.10 | lamby | ^ not a troll post ;) |
| 23:46.28 | kevinv | beardy: I barely run Windows, but sometimes, I do need some apps and I wish I could automate some of them more easier. |
| 23:47.16 | beardy | kevinv: Well, python, perl, tcl, or what you prefer is available. |
| 23:47.37 | oaoua | kevinv: look here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=896c9688-601b-44f1-81a4-02878ff11778&DisplayLang=en |
| 23:47.39 | sandman | Okay, I'll brb we'll talk about it more when I've booted into 2.6.15 |
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| 23:48.03 | beardy | kevinv: Shellscripts with cygwin. But ask #windows. |
| 23:48.03 | BIAF | when installing deb, theres 3 options, all files in one pert, desktop machine or Multi-User Workstation, - what option best fits a webserver/virtual host |
| 23:48.42 | BIAF | partitioning scheme |
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| 23:49.23 | kevinv | BIAF: None, I wouldn't think. I would've used expert partition. |
| 23:49.23 | maikol | do i have to make a seperate boot partition? |
| 23:49.49 | oaoua | maikol: for what? |
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| 23:49.56 | sparr | whats the command to mount a usb device such that any user can write to it? |
| 23:50.04 | maikol | oaoua to install/during the install for debian |
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| 23:50.19 | oaoua | maikol: you shouldn't need to |
| 23:50.40 | maikol | oaoua why then does it appear in the installation manual |
| 23:50.49 | kevinv | BIAF: You would need enough space in the / for the applications which you would want the servers to run, and the rest of the space would be for /var. All of the web files are mainly stored in /var on most *NIX boxes. |
| 23:50.51 | maikol | oaoua not your fault i know, but still i wonder |
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| 23:51.22 | oaoua | maikol: you could, if you wanted to, but it's not necessary |
| 23:51.26 | kevinv | BIAF: I would also have a seperate /boot partition for good cause. |
| 23:51.30 | maikol | oaoua alright, thanks |
| 23:51.33 | dendrite | maikol: Because on some machines (older i386 arch bios), you can't boot if any part of the kernel is on a sector > 1023. |
| 23:51.41 | BIAF | thanks |
| 23:51.44 | BIAF | sounds good |
| 23:51.50 | dendrite | So you put /boot as a separate partition at the start of the disk... |
| 23:52.00 | maikol | debhelper ah. |
| 23:52.07 | oaoua | maikol: as long as you have a / partition, everything goes under that, unless another partition is more specific |
| 23:52.18 | BIAF | can i use my onboard raid to mirror linux nps i take it if i want to use that as a backup method |
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| 23:52.27 | oaoua | s/is/that\ is/ |
| 23:52.28 | BIAF | with two HD's |
| 23:52.42 | maikol | im thinkin one /, one swap, one /home, one /var, one /usr |
| 23:53.20 | oaoua | maikol: sounds good..but don't do it on tiny hdds |
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| 23:53.26 | thingfish | hell I just put it all on one partition. |
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| 23:53.36 | maikol | 40 tiny? |
| 23:53.53 | maikol | thingfish safer to put it on seperate partitions |
| 23:53.54 | sandman | Okay. Anjuta doesn't startup under 2.6.15, either. It fails in the same fashion... I'll see what strace says |
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| 23:54.06 | kevinv | BIAF: If the bios manages RAID, use the BIOS tool to set it up first then install debian afterwards. I have a SCSI MegaRAID debian stable server here. I used bios management, but you may also use software RAID is you choose. |
| 23:54.10 | thingfish | maikol: well, safer if you don't keep excellent backups like I do. |
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| 23:54.30 | maikol | thingfish true |
| 23:54.30 | oaoua | maikol: 40GB isn't very much.. think you lose some space to the partitioning |
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| 23:54.45 | maikol | oaoua so what would you recommend |
| 23:54.48 | Coke | Hey there. When I use camstream I can set the webcam light sensitivity, but when I try it with gnomemeeting the defaults are used and it resets my hw settings, any idea how to prevent this? |
| 23:54.51 | BIAF | im installing deb now on a 6.2gig :( |
| 23:54.53 | kevinv | I actually have another system here that used debian software RAID to connect two IDE discs using RAID0, small discs. |
| 23:54.57 | SerajewelKS | debian@oftc can't help, let's try here |
| 23:55.05 | BIAF | nice |
| 23:55.09 | thingfish | 6.2G should be plenty, actually, BIAF. |
| 23:55.20 | SerajewelKS | i have a new SATA II drive. i copied my / into /dev/sda2 |
| 23:55.24 | oaoua | maikol: I would put everything on /, for a 40GB drive |
| 23:55.33 | SerajewelKS | however, lilo cannot be convinced to use /dev/sda2 instead of /dev/hda6 |
| 23:55.39 | BIAF | sweat, if i can copy it to new drive at later date, then i be happy |
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| 23:55.55 | SerajewelKS | if i append 'root=/dev/sda2' to the lilo boot parameters, nothing happens. it still wants to boot from /dev/hda6 |
| 23:56.12 | beardy | SerajewelKS: What is /dev/sda2? And, /msg dpkg enter |
| 23:56.13 | SerajewelKS | and for the life of me i can't figure out why |
| 23:56.13 | maikol | oaoua: ok. even if im going to use the unstable? |
| 23:56.17 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: where are you appending them too? |
| 23:56.21 | SerajewelKS | beardy: i know about enter |
| 23:56.32 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: what happens when you use root=/dev/sda2 on the command line? |
| 23:56.32 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Then you have no excuse. |
| 23:56.43 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: command line, meaning what? |
| 23:56.54 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: lilo's boot menu? |
| 23:56.56 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: on the lilo: command line at boot |
| 23:57.06 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: yes, i believe that is where i said i used it |
| 23:57.18 | oaoua | maikol: if you're worried about suddenly not beeing able to boot, keep an older linux-image that works |
| 23:57.25 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: sorry, "boot parameters" could mean too many things. |
| 23:57.31 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: ah, true |
| 23:57.39 | maikol | oaoua, alright. thanks for the help |
| 23:57.41 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: are you using an initrd? What is the kernel panic message? |
| 23:57.45 | Coke | Is there a way to set webcam hw settings via v4l? |
| 23:57.58 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: at any rate it still tries /dev/hda6. if i remove /dev/hda, it stalls saying that it can't find /sys/block/hda/dev and is waiting for it to become available. |
| 23:58.06 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Have you reconfigured lilo.conf and run /sbin/lilo? SOunds like you still have the old / in your lilo? |
| 23:58.12 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: by remove i mean unplug the ribbon cable |
| 23:58.14 | SerajewelKS | beardy: no |
| 23:58.27 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: and yes i am using an initrd |
| 23:58.31 | GeorgeS069 | bbl |
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| 23:58.47 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: your initrd may be trying to mount that device first; what initrd are you using? |
| 23:59.15 | dondelelcaro | where exactly does the message come up? |
| 23:59.17 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: whichever one came with this kernel, i guess |
| 23:59.32 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: after probing the IDE devices (after it says "hdd: somestring" |
| 23:59.47 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: oh; it hasn't even started to use the root device then |
