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00:00.38buudongs: Heh, jfs_fsc
00:00.42buudongs: Heh, jfs_fsck.
00:00.45buuYay fsck!
00:00.50dongslol, jfs.
00:00.55dongsthats youre problem #! right there
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00:01.16star-trekioone moment im renrunning the installer
00:01.25bartmhi anibal
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00:01.58buudongs: =[
00:02.38star-trekio2.4.27
00:02.56anibalbartm: any news from marcelo? I think he's MIA again
00:03.16bartmanibal: no news from marcelo, any news from mia@ ?
00:03.32anibalnone
00:03.43star-trekiowith a athlon 3500 64 do I neeed a ia64 version fo debian?
00:03.50star-trekiobuu
00:03.53bartmanibal: oh well, I'm not really in a hurry with gtkglext, let's wait for mia@ I guess, right?
00:03.59star-trekioit is in a panic cant see the hard drive
00:04.11buustar-trekio: you don't *need* it..
00:04.12buuI think.
00:04.15dongsstar-trekio: no, you need a new cpu
00:04.19dongslol!
00:04.35star-trekioplease help
00:04.43buustar-trekio: Hrm. You might want to get the installer that uses 2.6.X, it solved my SATA problems.
00:04.47star-trekioI dont know why this bugger wont see the hard drive
00:04.52azeemstar-trekio: no, amd64 is fine
00:04.53star-trekiooh
00:04.53anibalbartm: after that you may want to announce the hijacking of it in debian-devel
00:05.06azeemthe amd64 installer only has 2.6 AFAIK
00:05.07star-trekioI dont see a ISO type for amd64
00:05.11star-trekiooh?
00:05.17star-trekiois there an ISO for that?
00:05.19azeem!amd64 sarge
00:05.22azeem!amd64
00:05.23dpkgwell, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq.  Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64
00:05.39azeemstar-trekio: try to type `linux26' at the boot prompt of your install CD
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00:07.24star-trekiowoa
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00:07.54star-trekiowith the 3.1r0 i386 cd can I tell the installer to do amd64 and support sata?
00:08.07star-trekiothis damn amd64 iso will take 30min to download
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00:09.31star-trekiook
00:09.38star-trekioazeem if I go your route
00:09.48star-trekiothe 2.6 kernel has more support for things liek sata?
00:10.08star-trekioso that kind of thing is a kernel level problem
00:10.10star-trekio?
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00:11.22star-trekiodamn I feel awesoem when i get something in linux to work
00:11.30star-trekioIm beginning to learn progrmaming too
00:11.32star-trekiolinux kicks ass
00:11.47ic3man05I'll second that star-trekio
00:11.55ajdlinuxstar-trekio: yes its kernel level
00:12.55star-trekioshit no partitioinable media were found
00:13.02star-trekioerror again
00:13.08star-trekioeven after doing the linux26
00:13.14star-trekioF---KKK
00:13.20DerJamsterEither it doesn't have the sata module loaded, or it has none for the hardware.
00:13.29DerJamsterwhat sata controller is it?
00:13.31star-trekiodude
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00:13.38star-trekioI do not want to go the fedora core route
00:13.42star-trekio:(
00:13.49DerJamsterhence the possibility the module just isn't loaded.
00:13.49FrostbiteWhen people set up apache clusters, is it best to use a clustering fs or a regular rsync run?  I don't have a SAN/NAS.
00:13.53ic3man05fedora core is junk
00:13.56star-trekioI know
00:14.00FrostbiteI've heard of issues with clustering fs's...
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00:14.09star-trekioI cnat convicne my work that redhat ent is a pain bucket
00:14.18star-trekiothey dont belive debian is enterprise ready
00:14.23star-trekiono phone support etc
00:14.25star-trekiokills me
00:14.28pipelineFrostbite: apache "clusters" usually don't have anything on disk that changes rapidly
00:14.35pipelineFrostbite: The database does all of the storage
00:14.37star-trekiook
00:14.42pipelineFrostbite: the apache nodes are just for processing power
00:14.43ic3man05debian doesn't need phone support
00:14.49star-trekioso how do I get past this crap with the sata drive?
00:14.50pipelineFrostbite: You also have frontends to handle the load-balancing...
00:14.53star-trekiounstable kernel or something
00:14.57star-trekiolike relaly new new one?
00:15.12ic3man05star-trekio, find out if you have the module already
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00:15.44ic3man05star-trekio, not sure how to check for sata controller, don't have one =\
00:15.49Frostbitepipeline, I understand the load balancing aspects and mysql cluster edition, but I don't understand how the files are moved.  Say, I upload a php site to node 1, would it normally be rsync'd to the other nodes soon after?
00:15.58star-trekiohow can I check for the module?
00:16.26yassinelsmod
00:16.27Akbarlsmod?
00:17.10star-trekiook
00:17.35pipelineFrostbite: If you have heavy enough load that a singl eserver can't handle it, you're way, way, way, way out of mysql's depth.
00:17.51Frostbitepipeline, it's more for redundancy, really
00:18.07pipelinestar-trekio: Well, it's not.
00:18.15pipelinestar-trekio: No ISV / IHV support.  Very few support firms available.
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00:19.12ic3man05brb
00:19.37DerJamsterstar-trekio: lsmod will show you the loaded modules. What's your sata controller?
00:19.59star-trekionot sure
00:20.05DerJamsterFind out.
00:20.12star-trekiook lsmod gives a lot of stuff
00:20.18star-trekioshould i gre for sata?
00:20.21star-trekiogrep
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00:21.13DerJamsterno, the module you need isn't loaded anyways. Else it'd have found the drives.
00:21.20Frostbitepipeline, I'll have two redundant balancers/firewalls running vrrpd and a balancer relaying to a couple of servers running apache, mysql cluster, imap, smtp etc.  The idea is that if an update goes badly on 1 server or the hardware fails, the website is still loadable from the 2nd server.  Is rsync the best way to sync htdocs between each server?
00:21.36star-trekioshit I guess I can reboot to windows to see what HP sata drive it is
00:21.46ic3man05wait star-trekio
00:21.46Frostbitei.e. on a cronjob
00:21.51star-trekio?
00:22.06ic3man05star-trekio, output of: lspci |grep SATA
00:22.11star-trekiok
00:23.06star-trekiolspci not recognized
00:23.20star-trekiothis is linux26 installer option and I alt f2 to a shell
00:23.24star-trekio;)
00:23.35ic3man05might have to install it
00:24.06star-trekiouh
00:24.10ic3man05star-trekio: # apt-get install pciutils
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00:25.46ic3man05star-trekio, are you using debian?
00:25.56star-trekioyes
00:26.01star-trekioonly the installer
00:26.05ic3man05ahh
00:26.08ic3man05hmm
00:26.11leafwif I have a new 200GB hard drive, and I'd like to have 3 partitions, what is recommend (what is safest), to make a single primary and 3 extended, or 3 primaries ?
00:26.17star-trekiowith linux26 switch 3.1 installer
00:26.32ajdlinuxleafw: one primary, then extended
00:26.47ajdlinuxthats mho anyway
00:26.48leafwajdlinux : any obvious reason why
00:26.51Frostbiteajdlinux, why?  I'd got for 3 primary myself...
00:26.52ic3man05hmm
00:27.04leafw(I just would like to know)
00:27.06ajdlinuxas i said that's mho it doesnt really matter
00:27.14star-trekiois there an 'unstable' install that gives me a really new kernel?
00:27.21ajdlinuxbut i say that because windows likes to have a primary part and so on
00:27.30leafwbut for data recovery issues for example, wouldn't 3 primaries be better ?
00:27.34star-trekio2.6.8 kernel now with the linux26 option
00:27.35ajdlinuxand also you can create as many extended as you like - its more flexible
00:27.38beardystar-trekio: You can run whichever kernel you like, on stable too.
00:27.44star-trekiook
00:27.49star-trekiobut im having troble isntalling
00:27.55star-trekiothe isntaller wont see the sata drive
00:27.57ic3man05star-trekio, that kernel should support your sata controller unless its like super new
00:27.58star-trekio:(
00:28.04Frostbiteleafw, I'd go for 3 primary if you're ONLY running debian for speed and stability.  1 + 3 extended allows you to run other OS's.
00:28.06ic3man05or crazy unsupported
00:28.20star-trekioshould I reboot into windows
00:28.24star-trekioon this fucker of a pc
00:28.36star-trekioand use hardware mgr to find out what fed up sata hp put in there?
00:28.42ic3man05star-trekio, I think it would be better to get the readout of lspci
00:28.50leafwstar-trekio : love your PC, for you'll miss it terribly the moment it doesn't work.
00:28.52ic3man05because mine for example
00:28.57star-trekiook how do i get lspci on there?
00:29.06star-trekioI have debian 3.1 cd
00:29.13star-trekioheh
00:29.14ic3man05umm I'm surprised its not on there
00:29.20star-trekiohm
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00:30.57star-trekio:-/
00:31.02star-trekiono lspci
00:31.04star-trekio:(
00:31.09star-trekioF---KK
00:31.11ic3man05star-trekio, I would personally get a livecd like knoppix and use that, windows might work but like mind is called nvraid I believe where linux detects it as silicon Image Inc.
00:31.32ic3man05star-trekio, 0000:01:0b.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02)
00:31.35ic3man05to be exact
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00:31.42Frostbitegentoo livecd is a very quick dl
00:31.45star-trekioim rebooting tinto windows
00:31.45Frostbiteabout 30Mb
00:31.49star-trekioIm losing patience
00:31.52star-trekiof---kk
00:32.08ic3man05star-trekio, patience is the key with linux or any computer hardware/software issue
00:32.30ic3man05I had to learn the hard way =)
00:32.38star-trekiono kidding
00:32.48star-trekioI saw it 20min ago
00:32.48ic3man05I first started linux about 4 years ago
00:32.52star-trekioits liek S30485534534
00:32.58star-trekiounder hardware maanger in xp
00:33.03star-trekioI guess ill gogle it
00:33.05star-trekioheh
00:33.07ic3man05I don't think that means crap
00:33.12ic3man05but you can give it a shot
00:33.14star-trekiobut if 2.6 kernel wont see it then waht can I do?
00:33.35ic3man05its not the kernel, its udev or hotplug
00:33.37star-trekiowill the neet isntall cd for amd64 have same problems?
00:33.40star-trekionet install
00:33.47star-trekiooh
00:33.52ic3man05your installing a 64bit version I take it?
00:33.57star-trekiowell how do i coax it to work?
00:34.00star-trekiono
00:34.05star-trekiothis is i386 3.1
00:34.08star-trekiodebian cd
00:34.14ic3man05but its 64bit proc?
00:34.23star-trekioI am 92% downlaoded net install ISO for amd64
00:34.26star-trekioyeah
00:34.31ic3man05which distro?
00:34.36star-trekiodebian
00:34.51star-trekiohttp://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/
00:34.53ic3man05if its testing or unstable debian it might have better hardware detection
00:35.08star-trekiook
00:35.15ic3man05but in my time using linux knoppix has had the best hw detection, and is debian based
00:35.15star-trekiois that a different ISO?
00:35.17ajdlinuxstar-trekio: by distro it's usually about sarge etch or sid
00:35.39star-trekiook
00:35.50star-trekioso do I need to get an iso for unstable?
00:36.02star-trekioor can this installer be told to instlal unstable
00:36.17ajdlinuxthe testing isos can be forced to install sid
00:36.26ajdlinuxbut only the business card version
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00:38.04ic3man05amd64 is still unoffical so I would think you could find the testing and unstable version
00:38.05ic3man05s
00:38.10star-trekiook
00:38.14star-trekioIm kinda dumb
00:38.26star-trekiohow do I install the unstable using the 3.1 cd?
00:38.32star-trekioor do I need a different ISO?
00:38.35ic3man05star-trekio, I'll label it newbie. We all have to start at the beginning
00:38.57ic3man05star-trekio, not sure you can do that, or I've never done that before
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00:39.21ajdlinuxic3man05: you need to use expert mode
00:39.33dondelelcarostar-trekio: you generally shouldn't install unstable directly. Just install stable or testing, and upgrade when you're ready.
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00:39.48DerJamstertesting should be enough.
00:40.13ic3man05star-trekio, I would download knoppix livecd and do lspci and find your sata controller
00:40.42ic3man05knoppix is a very handy tool, as with any livecd
00:41.03star-trekioST380819AS HP HARD DRIVE
00:41.18ic3man05thats the model number of your hard drive correct?
00:41.58ic3man0580GB SATA Drive?
00:42.30ic3man05if so you need the SATA Controller not the drive
00:42.36star-trekioOH
00:42.39star-trekiook
00:42.54star-trekiowhere in the heck do i find the sata controller in windows device panel?
00:42.55star-trekiohmm
00:43.04ic3man05once that loads it should be located under /dev/sda1-4 I believe
00:43.18ic3man05star-trekio, not a clue thats why I recommended knoppix
00:43.26star-trekioheh
00:43.52ic3man05what is your motherboard model number
00:43.54killownhow I do for preload program?
00:44.40star-trekiook
00:44.45star-trekiosay I downlaoded knoppix
00:44.49star-trekiowhat would it tell us?
00:44.55star-trekioI still have to run the isntaller right?
00:45.00ic3man05no
00:45.06ic3man05knoppix is a "livecd"
00:45.15ic3man05it runs the whole operating system from the cd
00:45.18star-trekioso how can I run the installer to give me the most recent kernel possible so it sees the sata drive seems to be the direction i should go eh?
00:45.22star-trekioye ayeha
00:45.25star-trekioyeha yeah
00:45.27star-trekioI know
00:45.43star-trekiobut its how do i get the debian installer to see that drive and install debian is the roadblock
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00:45.56ic3man05once you find the module
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00:46.04ic3man05modprobe modulename
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00:46.37ic3man05star-trekio, mine for example would be modprobe sata_nv and sata_sil
00:46.50star-trekiohm
00:46.55ic3man05and also modprobe libata at most
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00:47.11ic3man05$ lsmod |grep sata
00:47.11ic3man05sata_nv                 8836  0
00:47.11ic3man05sata_sil                8964  0
00:47.11ic3man05libata                 51724  2 sata_nv,sata_sil
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00:47.46ic3man05w00t kicked
00:48.13ZvpunI'm using Gnome and there is a icon for my 2nd harddisk on the desktop. I would like to change its name from "--------" to something more useful but dont know where I can change it. Any hints?
00:49.17ic3man05star-trekio, you can look at loading a module as installing a driver in windows
00:49.41killownas to make for pre to process one lib?
00:50.22ic3man05star-trekio, some are built-in to the kernel and are loaded weather the hardware is there or not, and modules need to be manual loaded through udev/hotplug or some other form of hardware detection
00:50.29ic3man05someone correct me if i'm wrong
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00:51.52ic3man05killown, as loading a library so programs load faster?
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00:52.02killownic3man05 yep
00:52.46ic3man05killown, I remember a gentoo forum post about doing that, mounting /lib or something directly to ram so everything was instant load time but required a lot of ram
00:52.50ic3man05let me see if I can find it
00:53.05killownahhh
00:53.08killownok
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00:55.43star-trekiook
00:55.50star-trekioso if its nt workign im fucked
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00:55.58star-trekiothis is very new hp pc
00:56.07star-trekioprobly with onboard sis sata controller
00:56.22star-trekioits a barrcuda seagaet 7200 drive
00:56.22ic3man05killown, http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-231170-highlight-tips+performance.html closest I could find, I can't seem to find the post I was talking about
00:56.38killownic3man05,  ok thanks
00:56.51ic3man05star-trekio, I'm almost 100% sure its onboard controller
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00:57.23ic3man05star-trekio, the hard drive doesn't need any drivers, the sata controller needs the drivers
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00:58.00ic3man05star-trekio, best thing to do is look up your motherboard and try to find the sata controller
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00:58.09star-trekioI cant find the controller in device panel
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00:58.10ic3man05star-trekio, or knoppix and lspci
00:58.17star-trekiounless its hiding as an IDE controller
00:58.27star-trekiohm
00:58.36ic3man05star-trekio, not sure as I don't like or use windows for hardware
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00:58.44ic3man05detection
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01:00.31ic3man05i'm leaving though so good luck on installing linux
01:03.12star-trekiook
01:03.18star-trekioknoppix downlaod 34min
01:03.21star-trekioheh
01:03.33star-trekiohow do i get the debian install cd to load a module?
01:03.36star-trekio:(
01:03.51ic3man05# modprobe module name
01:04.01ajdlinuxalt+f2 to get a console
01:04.06ic3man05$ = user # = root
01:04.09ic3man05later
01:06.11epsilonin my shell > = user
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01:10.09danboidHow do I request a package for inclusion in sid/ etch?
01:10.44dondelelcarodanboid: file an RFP using reportbug
01:11.12dondelelcarodanboid: but you'll have bettern luck if you pitch in, figure out how to package packages, and package the package yourself.
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01:12.07danboidi've heard its difficult to become a packager
01:12.36danboidwheres this reportbug you mention?
01:13.02epsiloncreate the package on your system for yourself
01:13.10dondelelcaro!+info reportbug
01:13.12dpkgUpdating debian files... please wait.
01:13.19dpkgreportbug: (reports bugs in the Debian distribution), section utils, is standard. Version: 3.21.2 (sid), Packaged size: 126 kB, Installed size: 376 kB
01:13.36dondelelcaro!tell danboid -about nm guide
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01:18.29marcelo#debian-br
01:19.50danboidI've installed reportbug now. The package I want is just a nautilus plugin- do I file my request as a bug against nautilus?
01:20.03dondelelcarodanboid: no, you file the RFP bug against wnpp
01:20.15dondelelcarodanboid: reportbug should have menus to guide you through that process.
01:22.01MalagmyrHow can I move a directory to another directory that contains a directory with the same name as the first one? Like, move and replace as in windows. I want all files that are not there already to be placed there and any files that are already there to be overwritten, while the rest are left alone.
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01:23.10k-godMalagmyr: man rsync
01:23.24dondelelcaroMalagmyr: try rsync -av dira destdir
01:23.29k-godMalagmyr: It's usually used for remote copying, but can work in this case as well.
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01:36.16stonedahh boy, horriblely long day at work
01:36.26dvsstoned: what happened?
01:37.27stoneddvs, hi. Not much, boss bitched a little, dealt with the general public all day, and most of them are idiots. I work in a convenient store in a crackhead/black/gay neighbourhood.  not to down on anyone or diss em, but I do get weirdos everyday
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01:37.38ajdlinuxhello
01:37.41hounHi, Debian
01:37.53hounIs there a file one can edit with commands that should be run upon boot?
01:37.55stonedjust moved, have not found anything permanent yet.
01:38.01dvsstoned: crackhead/black/gay neighbourhood?  Now THAT'S a combination
01:38.05stonedhaha
01:38.14stonedyeah, its like paseo drive something in okc
01:38.21stonednotorious for the above mentioned crap
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01:39.18stonedhoun, yes there is, but I forgot which rc
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01:41.06hounstoned: My default runlevel is 2, looking in /etc/rc2.d/ now
01:41.28marcelohelp needed with familiar linux pse.
01:41.53ajdlinuxmarcelo: what?
01:43.16marceloamiliar linux
01:43.23marcelofamiliar linux
01:43.38ajdlinuxwell go join their irc channel
01:43.39stonedmarcelo, try a more complete sentence with a coherent thought
01:43.40ajdlinux!based on debian
01:43.41dpkgYou're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages.  You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions.  See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis>
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01:44.24GaiaX11marcelo, do you speak portuguese?
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01:45.01kingsleyIs it possible to check if a .doc file contains comments in a Microsoft format that aren't normally displayed by oowriter?
01:46.31GaiaX11marcelo, vc fala português?
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01:48.20marceloyes, I speak potuguese as well
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01:48.44ajdlinuxmarcelo: if you have familiar linux, go to #familiar or something
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01:49.35GaiaX11marcelo, what do you want?
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01:49.55marceloas a matter of fact I am looking for help, I wish talk to Linua Familiar user and install it on my iPAQ later. For now I am a Debian Linux user only.
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01:50.10sam1001any pocket pc developers?
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01:51.25marceloshalom, bye for now
01:52.15maikolmake is still having problems. i did m-a prepare, and now the error i get is this:
01:52.32maikol/home/maikol/tmp/at76c503a/at76c503.c:6708:20: token "=" is not valid in preprocessor expressions
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01:56.07itguruI've been asked to install an IRC server - can anyone recommend the best channel for me to go to?
01:58.23someothernickfor?
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02:02.24SammyGurlwhen I telent into my machine on 25 (To test for a mail relay) it says "connected to localhost.localdomain" where do I change that?
02:02.35ajdlinuxby changing the exim4 confug
02:02.37ajdlinuxconfig
02:02.46SammyGurlhaha stop following me!
02:02.52GneaSammyGurl: try /etc/hosts
02:02.57SammyGurlI can't find it in the config.
02:03.13SammyGurland /etc/hosts has only the loopback as local
02:03.21ajdlinuxSammyGurl: i'm on both networks
02:03.29SammyGurlI know.
02:03.55GneaSammyGurl: rgrep localhost.localdomain /etc/*
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02:04.49stonedGnea, whats up buddy
02:04.50SammyGurljust   /etc/hosts:127.0.0.1    localhost.localdomain   localhost  pepper
02:05.55frodo_Does anyone know of any good music cd burners that will work with debian and xwindows please?
02:06.16someothernickgnomebaker
02:06.17ajdlinuxk3hb
02:06.19ajdlinuxk3b
02:06.38frodo_ty
02:08.42Gneastoned: just another day
02:08.49stonedsame here man
02:08.54GneaSammyGurl: i thought you said you looked in there. look, there it is.
02:09.21stonedGnea, I will msg you
02:09.35GneaSammyGurl: anything to the right of an ip address in /etc/hosts gets bound to that ip on the system
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02:11.07SammyGurlGnea yesh.  well.. I was told that you can't change it.
02:11.18SammyGurland loopback requires that localhost entry
02:11.23ajdlinuxit does
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02:12.22SammyGurllol  well then I'm chasing my own tail
02:12.26GneaSammyGurl: you can change anything - the thing is, you don't really need to change it, but i see no use in having localhost.localdomain defined, it's just silly - anyway, that's pretty standard. are you trying to get it to say pepper?
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02:13.26SammyGurlI'm trying to get my MTA not to say: 220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Exim 4.50 Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:54:07 -0400
02:13.32SammyGurlwhen teleted in.
02:14.02VasisthaSammyGurl: "telnetted"?
02:14.07abrotmanso find out if exim gets its hostname from its own conf .. or from the machine
02:14.11abrotmanVasistha: telnet host 25
02:14.19ajdlinuxi think from its own config
02:14.21SammyGurlaccording to this...  http://cbl.abuseat.org/helocheck.html   localhost is wrong
02:14.28abrotmanit's very wrong :)
02:14.39stonedabrotman, you're about to laugh really hard, just keep watching the channel
02:14.40stoned;)
02:14.42GneaSammyGurl: well, what do you want it to say then?
02:15.04abrotmanstoned: will i pee my pants?
02:15.07SammyGurlMmmm   mail.domain.com ?
02:15.24stonedabrotman, tell you in msg lol
02:15.27abrotmanSammyGurl: so fix your exim configuration
02:15.29abrotmanstoned: ok
02:15.49GneaSammyGurl: first of all, you'll need to define mail.domain.com in /etc/hosts, probably to a lan ip (not 127.0.0.1) then tell your MTA to listen on the lan ip
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02:17.00abrotman!beer the fucking guy who invented wheat beer
02:17.11Gnealol
02:17.13abrotmaneh .. that was .. not right
02:17.33SammyGurlip-addres  mail.domain.com  pepper ?
02:17.52GneaSammyGurl: that'll work - make sure you delete the pepper entry from 127.0.0.1
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02:18.23SammyGurldelete it or use   127.0.0.1       localhost.localdomain   localhost
02:18.25SammyGurl?
02:18.48GneaSammyGurl: delete the word 'pepper' from the localhost IP configuration line.
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02:18.56SammyGurloh ok.
02:19.02Gnea:)
02:19.06SammyGurland then run exim config again?
02:19.21Gneatry telnetting first
02:19.25Gneasee if it made a difference
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02:19.33stonedlol, telnetting has become a verb now
02:19.39SammyGurlok
02:19.46abrotmanso has googling
02:19.47stonedthe act of doing telnet is called telnetting lol
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02:19.55stonedoh yeah, I'm not making fun of it
02:19.57dongshow 2 make samba faster over intarweb. i get 2+ seconds delays while opening or saving files, or navigating directories. linux server -> windows client, latest samba.
02:19.58stonedI'm just noticing
02:20.29dongs(ping between hosts is like 50-60ms)
02:20.33stoneddongs, it is your local network, by intraweb I think is what you mean
02:20.49Gneadongs: what is this 'intarweb'?
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02:21.00abrotmanGnea: it's like .. web 0.5
02:21.01dongsGnea: teh internet omg lolz
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02:21.32stoneddongs, do you mean a local network *LAN* or the INTERNET, a global WAN?
02:21.36stonedclarify yourself
02:21.40dongsstoned: the latter
02:21.48stonedexpect slowness
02:21.53stoneddongs, how many hops are you going through
02:21.54Gneayeah, we don't speak none of that there leetspeak lameness here
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02:22.02stonedmaybe you could do a traceroute? find out whats going on
02:22.09Gnealeave that for aol chatrooms
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02:22.25dongs~10 or so, but why is tha trelevant. ping is ~50ms.
02:22.31aptdongs: what are you talking about?
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02:22.37abrotmanhehe
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02:22.45stoneddon't use tilde before words
02:22.47stoned:/
02:22.48k-man1whats the default window manager for gnome?
02:22.57stonedsawfish isn't it or no
02:22.59stonedwait metacity
02:23.04stonedabrotman should know
02:23.06stoneddamn gnome lover
02:23.11Coweatermetacity
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02:23.17k-man1thanks
02:23.22abrotmank-man1: metacity .. usually
02:23.48k-man1abrotman, for some reason gnome isn't loading a wm when i log in
02:23.49abrotmanGnea: does it still take three days to compile e17?
02:24.00abrotmank-man: middle click .. can you start an xterm ?
02:24.07Gneaabrotman: at this rate, it's taking 3 weeks
02:24.12dongsso like
02:24.14dongswhy is it slow
02:24.22k-man1abrotman, um.... oh, i just ran it in an xterm
02:24.29abrotmanran .. what?
02:24.34k-man1metacity
02:24.39Gneacuz it's not compiled in like, the valley
02:24.43abrotmandid it run? and give you a WM?
02:24.48k-man1but my middle click button doesn't seem to do anything
02:24.52k-man1abrotman, yes, it did
02:25.02abrotmank-man1: this is bad?
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02:25.22k-man1abrotman, no... i just want to know where to look to ensure it loads it by default in future
02:25.26k-man1when i log in
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02:25.46abrotmank-man1: it should .. try saving your session when you logout
02:25.55k-man1oh
02:25.55k-man1ok
02:25.56abrotmaneh .. i guess you can't do that anymore
02:25.58k-man1brb
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02:39.03polishkoopI'm using debian etch, kernel 2.6 and I can't get my GUI to work properly.  I've tried nv drivers, vesa (which worked to some extent), and i also tried to download the nvidia drivers which didn't even install.  Where should I go from here?
02:39.20Coweaterwhat card/bus are you using?
02:39.32polishkoopnVidia 6600gt AGP 8X
02:40.35Coweatergot an error log you can nopaste?
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02:40.53abrotmanhttp://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-6487522167fb024609e6b3cdf5f25a2969697fff
02:41.29polishkoopthe only error i really get is when i try to install the nv drivers, but when i use the other drivers, my GUI just gets all pixelated and unreadable
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02:42.44ram_einsteinI use jfbterm with unifont. Some arrows and special graphic characters aren't displayed properly (eg. pstree). Why?
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02:43.51GeorgeS069howdy folks
02:44.19polishkoophey
02:44.47polishkoopCoweater: do you have any idea of what I should do?
02:45.02abrotmanGeorgeS069: aren't you sick of us yet?
02:45.15GeorgeS069abrotman: nah...I love this place :)
02:45.29abrotmanpolishkoop: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-6487522167fb024609e6b3cdf5f25a2969697fff
02:45.32dvs!smite GeorgeS069
02:45.33GeorgeS069I learn alot just watching
02:45.39polishkoopabrotman: is there a way I can copy and paste that?
02:46.10abrotmanyour fingers?
02:46.17polishkoopabrotman: aiight, that works
02:46.19abrotmanhttp://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7
02:46.30abrotmanclick the link at the top about nvidia.com binary garbage
02:46.58GeorgeS069I actually manage to help a few people in here now and then too :)
02:47.03polishkoopabrotman: alright ill be back if it doesn't help ^-^
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02:47.35unix_infidelanyone know if its possible to set a keybind to emulate a click action at the point where the cursor is under?
02:48.10epsout of interest I keep hearing from microsoft that "Windows Vista [is] the largest concerted software project in human history" which to me sounds like bullshit... seriously debian (and other distros) is huge compared to vista in the release and in the 15-20k of packages it also maintains
02:48.12epsso what are they on about?
02:48.26abrotmaneps: wrong channel
02:48.26ram_einsteinIn my normal console, there seems to be something wrong with the terminfo or some such thing, because the ncurses apps is kind of broken and there are some junk characters accompanying good ones in all the manpages. It doesn't happen when I have jfbterm on though. Any ideas?
02:48.38epsabrotman is there an -offtopic?
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02:48.48jshriverIs there a command that lets you search a text file for a given string (like grep) but can display x number of lines before or after that line?
02:48.51abrotmaneps: i doubt anyone wants to talk about that :)
02:48.55dondelelcarojshriver: it's called grep
02:49.10epsheh, I just want to know if any one knows what grounds they are claiming it on
02:49.17dondelelcarojshriver: you're looking for the -A and -B options; man grep
02:49.23jshriverthought grep only displayed the single line that matched the pattern
02:49.28jshriverwhat if you wanted to see the next line?
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02:49.36dondelelcarojshriver: see above.
02:49.38GeorgeS069lol...open the file:)
02:49.44epshey I didn't know that
02:49.55jshriverI come across this need a lot. Say you have a couple hundred meg file and your program crashes because it hits a weird line. You know the line before but not the actual error line..
02:49.59jshriverok :)
02:50.19epsjshriver I just read man grep and it's like the third listed switch :P
02:50.24dondelelcarothe other method is to less foofile; then /bar;
02:50.32dondelelcarojshriver: you should also spend some time reading man less;
02:51.15jshrivereps sorry. must admit I've never really read the grep manual.. just use it for finding single lines "grep whatever file.txt"
02:51.19jshriverthanks though sorry
02:51.29eps:)
02:51.38epsI learnt some thing new, always a good thing
02:51.41ram_einsteinIn my normal console, all ncurses apps' display is kind of broken and there are some junk characters in all the manpages. It doesn't happen when I have jfbterm on though. Any ideas?
02:52.48dondelelcarodpkg: essential manpages is <reply> These are manpages which you should read, refer to, and learn: less, man, apropos, grep, tail, cat, head, find, xargs, bash (or whatever shell you prefer). Reading them will teach you new things, and help you solve problems without asking #debian. Read them already? Don't forget to check back from time to time, as they support more and more features.
02:52.49dpkgokay, dondelelcaro
02:52.58jshriverthanks -A works :)  have a good night
02:53.07dvsdpkg: you're so gullible
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02:55.45dvsbooo!
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02:57.04abrotman!moo
02:57.04dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
02:57.13polishkoopabrotman: yeah that really didn't help me
02:57.20GeorgeS069is there a setting for sshd so it doesn't time-out and close on me all the time?
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02:57.46abrotmanpolishkoop: that was a shot in the dark .. i avoid nvidia for that reason ..
02:57.52abrotmanGeorgeS069: fix your router
02:58.18polishkoopabrotman: so what should i do?  It seems like most ppl end up just telling me linux isn't right for my system
02:58.26GeorgeS069Hmmmm...ok....I'm a linksys wrt54g....it's probably all screwed up
02:58.27polishkoopabrotman: i've been trying to settle this issue for over a week
02:58.31abrotmanRonin: see!
02:58.37Roninheh
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02:59.12abrotmanRonin: i'm still only doing one during the day .. and is currently FN
02:59.32dongscan someone halp me figure out why samba is fucking slow over the internet, takes 2+ seconds to do anything like open a file or change directories etc, ping between hosts is like ~50ms, so it shouldnt be all that bad but wtf
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03:00.30stonedpolishkoop, stop listening to people. Use your head for fucks sake.  You decide what YOU need, and then you decide what YOU will use to get it done.  If windows then so be it, if MAC, then that, if linux, good.  And noone in thier right mind would tell you EVER that linux is bad :/
03:00.56dongsstoned: i would, but thats because I actually know its true
03:01.08MitjaWhat is that program called that lets you choose which scripts to start at boot?
03:01.09abrotmanpolishkoop: you can also try asking #nvidia
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03:01.12Ronindongs: linux is bad?
03:01.16polishkoopabrotman: i've been there
03:01.18dongsRonin: bingo
03:01.18abrotmanMitja: update-rc.d
03:01.35stoneddongs, umm...
03:01.38stonedwell, I can't disagree
03:01.41Mitjaabrotman, yeah, but I'm looking for the one with the crude menu
03:01.44stonednow now, before you jump on it
03:01.45polishkoopstoned: i do want to use linux, but it just doesn't seem like it will work with my set up
03:01.55stonedI just want to say, bad and good are merely points of view
03:02.11stonedthey are not universal *exception being windows, its just universally bad :D*
03:02.13abrotmanMitja: rcconf ?
03:02.14polishkoopstoned: i never said something was good or bad, i said most ppl end up saying linux isn't right for my system
03:02.23polishkoopstoned: because of the problems I have been having
03:02.26ram_einsteinwhich package is setlocale part of?
03:02.35stonedpolishkoop, I wasn't addressing you. When I do adress you, you'll see your nickname in the sentence
03:02.47Mitjaabrotman, could be, thanks
03:02.58polishkoopstoned: you were a dressing me... up above you said somethign to me
03:03.01dongspolishkoop: do you currently use windows?
03:03.15polishkoopdongs: yah
03:03.19dongspolishkoop: do you like it? do you get everything you need to get done, done with it? in that case, you do not need linux in any shape or form.
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03:03.32polishkoopdongs: but I want to learn, and I really am getting tired of windows.
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03:03.42stonedpolishkoop, once again, if you saw your nickname in my sentence, then I WAS addressing you, if not, then I didn't. Anyway, what setup is it that you think will not work under linux?
03:03.50dongspolishkoop: perhaps, the problem is that you don't know enougha bout windows , and you think you're having problems with it?
03:04.00polishkoopdongs:  I want to get into computers, and I don't want to be just knowledgeable in one OS
03:04.09stoneddongs, it is NOT good practice to promote MS Windows in here
03:04.13dongspolishkoop: perhaps a more appropriate step would be to learn more about windows so that you stop 'tiring' from it.
03:04.24polishkoopstoned: just my setup, i have been having so many problems with my linux set up
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03:04.31dvsdongs, not good for your health either. ;-)
03:04.37stonedpolishkoop, I can't help you if you don't stop being vague
03:04.41polishkoopdongs: stop being condescending towards me, i don't appreciate it
03:04.51stonedpolishkoop, ignore him
03:04.52polishkoopstoned: i'm trying to "fight off" dongs right now bud
03:04.59stonedignorance is bliss
03:05.06stonedselective ignorance is bliss++
03:05.16abrotman/ignore is bliss :)
03:05.20DaCheatdongs, enjoy the security, or lack thereof of your m$ product
03:05.22stonedthat too
03:05.33dongsDaCheat: i have no problems with "m$ security"
03:05.47stonedsecurity and MS don't go together in one sentence
03:05.48polishkoopstoned: well i'm just using an nvidia video card, an SATA hard drive( which i managed to get workign with the 2.6 kernel), and i don't even know what else coudl be causing this problem
03:05.49DaCheatdongs, you dont remember 7/03 then
03:06.04stonedpolishkoop, I don't know your problem, I wasn't here
03:06.17stonedpolishkoop, you can tell me again, maybe I can be of some help
03:06.21polishkoopstoned: oh oh oh im sorry, alright.
03:06.23dongsDaCheat: um, dcom patch?
03:06.23DaCheatbut im not here to flame, therfore i rest my case, dongs, kindly stfu
03:06.25dongsDaCheat: what about it?
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03:06.48stonedlol, that dcom patch from Steve Gibson at grc.com
03:06.57dongslol @ steve gibson
03:06.59stonedhaha, /me points and laughs
03:07.03dongsif anyone is a moron, thats him
03:07.12polishkoopstoned: well I can't get my GUI to work properly.  I tried using the nv and the vesa drivers which didn't work that successfully.  I also tried to use some other ones at random which didn't work.  I tried to download the nvidia drivers, but they woulnd't install for some reason.
03:07.28dongsHE should be running linux, maybe that'll make him spewing crap since he'll spend all his time editing obscure config files
03:07.45dongser
03:07.48dongsspewing LESS crap
03:07.51stonedpolishkoop, there is always a reason.  Find out what that reason is.  Use the nvidia one liner and tell me where it stops, what it says etc.
03:08.15stoned!tell polishkoop about nvidia one liner
03:08.27stonedpolishkoop, for your sake I hope you are using Debian Stable/sarge
03:08.43polishkoopstoned: no, a friend said I should use etch because I guess it was better with GUI
03:08.53GeorgeS069ooooops
03:09.32stonedpolishkoop, new to linux, and you decided to use an unstable/testing distro?
03:09.35polishkoopstoned: bad idea?  hahahaha, I didn't mind because my GUI wasn't working on Sarge at the time.
03:09.52polishkoopstoned: i was just doing what a friend recommend I do to get my problem solved.
03:10.04GeorgeS069polishkoop : get the Kmuto D-I iso and start over...then get Xorg from backports
03:10.45polishkoopGeorgeS069: whatever that means:-P.  So I should just reinstall my linux from the cd?
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03:11.05stonedpolishkoop, I would suggest installing sarge, with 2.6 kernel, and use xfree instead of xorg, unless there is a reason you want xorg
03:11.13GeorgeS069no...get the iso,burn a new CD and start from that
03:11.21polishkoopstoned: I don't know enough to actually prefer xorg over xfree.
03:11.25GeorgeS069!tell polishkoop about 2.6.15
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03:11.38polishkoopGeorgeS069: i know how to upgrade kernels now, I had to do it already
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03:11.43abrotmanthat's not going to fix his problemn
03:11.44stonedpolishkoop, then sarge + xfree is ok for you, start with stable software that is known to not fuck up
03:11.50GeorgeS069shoot...what's the url for kmuto's iso's?
03:11.57abrotmanGeorgeS069: it's not going to fix anything
03:12.01GeorgeS069ok
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03:12.16stonedpolishkoop, but eitherway, you still have not told the the exact nature of this problem/error
03:12.20GeorgeS069worked for me and I'm an idiot :)
03:12.38dongslol, i hope some day linux dudes will figure out how to write a stable graphical environment with functionality that matches at least windows 95. well, i dont really hope, because its not like anyone would use it anyway.
03:12.41stonedpolishkoop, when you try to compile the nvidia driver module, where does it stop, or are you able to compile it at all?
03:12.42polishkoopstoned: that's all i know.  What else do you neeed to know?  When i load up the GUI i just get a bunch of random colors and I lose keyboard functionality
03:12.51polishkoopstoned: no, it just says this package is uninstallable
03:12.56DaCheatokay to lightly derail
03:12.58stonedpolishkoop, which package?
03:13.04abrotmandongs: icewm can be made to look like win95 :)
03:13.12polishkoopstoned: i do apt-get install nvidia-glx and... hold on ill tell u the error that I get
03:13.26DaCheatdoes anybody have a decent link to using sendmail to send mail via my ISP's SMTP server (im restricted to it but it doesnt need authorization)
03:13.35abrotmansmarthost
03:13.55abrotmanpolishkoop: check your X log too
03:13.59polishkoopstoned: gimme a second with that error, i have to update my sources.list again
03:14.01GeorgeS069sendmail sux :)
03:14.15stonedpolishkoop, which video driver are you using atm?
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03:14.21polishkoopstoned: right now none.
03:14.26dongsabrotman: yea, until it crashes and takes down the xserver and 10 other apps you had running
03:14.26abrotmanDaCheat: google "sendmail smarthost"
03:14.27stonedpolishkoop, and what is the exact problem with 'nv'
03:14.35DaCheatabrotman, thanks
03:14.43abrotmandongs: eh .. i don't think i've EVER seen icewm crash
03:15.08polishkoopstoned: well when i use nv drivers, i just get a bunch of random colors on my GUI.  I guess something might have gotten fixed.  I updated my sources to include SID, and now my nvidia-glx is being installed.  before it didn't work.
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03:15.29stonedpolishkoop, dude really you shouldn't use anything but stable
03:15.44stonedpolishkoop, that is my final answer.  do I win anything?
03:15.51polishkoopstoned:  I apologize :-P
03:16.02polishkoopstoned: would you be able to help me get my GUI working by only using stable?
03:16.16stonedI can try, sure
03:16.42stonedI just don't suggest using testing or unstable unless your HW required it
03:17.03polishkoopstoned: aiight, well I'll just install my OS again after i see where this nvidia-glx gets me.  I'll be back whenever I am running sarge.  Yah I know what you mean about that.  But again, a friend just recommended that I use it to see if it would solve my problem
03:17.46stonedand plus, you're new to linux, use something that is stable and known to not crash and fuck things up, because with testing packages are moved in and out due to bugs and same with unstable.  use sarge, which is frozen with stable packages, software which is known to work properly, most of the times
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03:18.07stonedunstable or testing will cause your newbie brain more headaches than anything else
03:18.24stonedand I say newbie with extreme friendliness
03:18.26stoned:)
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03:19.11HckssUserForoalguien habla español
03:19.36stoned!es
03:19.37dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
03:20.41DaCheatstoned, your right about unstable and testing, my server runs debian and my client laptop runs gentoo
03:21.19polishkoopstoned: yeah i didnt take offense to that
03:21.26polishkoopstoned: but omg im so happy... i got the GUI working
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03:22.03stonedhey cool, but mixing testing and unstable repositories is again a huge no no
03:22.04polishkoopstoned: Will i be able to download the correct nvidia drivers just by using sarge?  or would i still have to add Sid to my sources for them?
03:22.37stonedyou'll be fine with sarge + its contrib and non-free
03:22.59cyzieanybody here running raid 1 (mirroring) on sata disks and etch ?
03:23.26polishkoopstoned: so there are nvidia drivers on sarge that would work?  Just want to check, cuz I might be able to get everything working without having to come in here for help!
03:23.36stonedpolishkoop, don't mix and match packages from various debian releases please
03:23.50stoned!info nvidia-glx
03:23.52dpkgnvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8762-2 (sid), Packaged size: 3213 kB, Installed size: 10608 kB
03:24.36stonedpolishkoop, search packages.debian.org for nvidia in stable
03:24.54polishkoopstoned: alright... well thanks for all the help/ advice.  I might be back... i might not be.  Have a great life 8)
03:25.02stonedyou too
03:25.05stonedhope it works out for ya
03:26.02cyzieanybody knows if etch can run on top of hardware raid 1 ?
03:27.24liablecyzie: why wouldnt it?
03:27.47cyzieliable, okay. but i just wanted to know how and what softwares do i need to apt-get
03:28.07liablecyzie: is it a proper hardware raid card?
03:28.35cyzieliable, it is a builtin chip on the motherboard. i have abit nfs2-raid board
03:28.50dongsheh
03:28.53dongsthen it probably wont
03:29.02liablecyzie: oh, then you want mdadm
03:29.33cyziemdadm ?
03:29.44liablecyzie: can you even see the disks?
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03:30.32Eurekaanyone know an upload manager of megaupload
03:30.34liablecyzie: this should get you started http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm
03:30.48cyzieliable, is mdadm is a software that monitor software raid? but mine is hardware raid, right?
03:31.02stonedhey
03:31.12liablecyzie: no, yours is fakeraid
03:31.12cyzieliable, thanks for the link
03:31.20cyzieliable, fake raid ?
03:31.33Hestonhello, to run steam on debian, would that require wine or is there a port? if so, can i play games like Half-life or does it merely support the dedicated servers?
03:31.35liablecyzie: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html
03:31.50stoneddoes anyoen know if there are any hacking games text based for console, where it simulates different things you can try and break in and progress and collect data etc. and I dunno maybe some roleplay
03:31.52stoned?
03:32.04stonedI can't find anything, I've been looking for a few days now
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03:33.01cyzieliable, i have my 2 sata disk connected to the onboard raid. but i installed debian on the first disk. can i buid mirroring on the 2 disks w/o reinstall etch? do you think it is possible?
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03:34.08liablecyzie: sure, read that first link i gave you
03:34.15cyzieliable, thanks. reading
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03:40.07cyziein /boot/configxxx files, CONFIG_MD_MULTIPATH=m  <== what is the m means?
03:40.25liablemodule
03:40.40cyzieliable, what about y ?
03:40.46liablebuilt in
03:41.12cyzieliable, ok thanks. let sya if it is modules, do i need to modprobe the modules? (need to apt-get the modules) ??
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03:41.51liablecyzie: usually its automagically loaded, sometimes you need to modprobe
03:41.51cyzies/sya/say
03:42.01cyzieliable, okay. thanks
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03:43.04ram_einsteinhow do I change my locale/characterset? when I export LANG and subsequently type locale, it first says "cannot set default locale, no such file or directory". Where's the default locale set?
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03:43.21slidesingerA question regarding xcdroast, ide-scsi, and the 2.6 kernel.   xcdroast indicates that it wants to use scsi emulation for ide devices while, apparently, the 2.6 kernel contraindicates this.  Does anyone know what the story is with this?
03:43.27MaquiaveloHello, anyone who has used Bootsplash can tell me why the silent picture isn't working and is showing a looking for splash  picture: error <6> while decompressing image? I'm using the correct resolution and the appropiate PPI, saved in jpg using the gimp.
03:44.56liablecyzie: with a debian kernel, you might need to rebuild the initrd to make sure your raid modules are built into it, otherwise it wont boot. i am not sure whether it will work straight off for you or not. i guess try it, but have a rescue disk handy
03:46.14ram_einsteinMaquiavelo: I don't jpg is the right format. I haven't used bootsplash but I doubt a jpg is a recognised format
03:46.16liableslidesinger: just use it, its cause of cdrecord, its only a warning
03:46.38ram_einsteinslidesinger: the warning comes from cdrecord
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03:46.49_endsram_einstein, try dpkg-reconfigure locales
03:46.52ram_einsteinxcdroast is a frontend to cdrecord, nothing more
03:47.10ram_einstein_ends: thanks!
03:47.10liableslidesinger: google cdrecord an 2.6 kernel, you'll prolly find it an interesting read if its a mailing list
03:47.42Maquiaveloram_einstein It is.
03:47.46slidesingerliable, ram_einstein:  Thanks.
03:47.51Hestonall you have to do is read the man page for cdrecord and it's explained
03:47.57Maquiaveloram_einstein in fact, that's the format the default theme come with
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03:49.58ram_einsteinMaquiavelo: hmm... I see. You should ask someone who's used bootsplash really. Sorry
03:51.55ram_einsteinMy ncurses apps' display seems broken and all my manpages contain junk characters in the normal console.  It doesn't happen on jfbterm though. Changing locales/charactersets doesn't seem to help. Any ideas?
03:52.20dabreegsterram_einstein: What's your $TERM?
03:52.33cyziehi all, is there any log when apt-get upgrade finished its job ?
03:52.55liablecyzie: /var/log/dpkg.log
03:52.57ram_einsteindabreegster: it's "linux". Afaik, that's fine
03:53.28dabreegsterram_einstein: Was it always like this, or just after an upgrade?
03:53.40cyzieliable, thanks
03:54.24ram_einsteindabreegster: always like this
03:54.51ram_einsteindabreegster: it's happened to me on other systems too, but I've never figured out how to solve the problem
03:55.06ram_einsteinI just chuck the system in the bin and try a new one :)
03:55.26dabreegsterram_einstein: I'm not sure, have you tried updating terminfo related packages?
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03:56.15ram_einsteindabreegster: how do I update terminfo?
03:56.18dabreegsterram_einstein: ncurses-term and ncurses-base perhaps?
03:56.33ram_einsteinperhaps, but it should happen to manpages as well
03:56.40ram_einsteinmanpages are piped through less
03:56.57dabreegsterram_einstein: You mean viewing manpages is screwed up? Can you get color at all?
03:57.58ram_einsteincolor in manpages!? I never got color in manpages. I get some random junk here and there
03:58.12dabreegsterWell, bold white.
03:58.28ram_einsteinyea, I get that
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03:58.46ram_einsteinbut I get some junk characters here-and-there
03:58.55dabreegsterThen color works. Hmm. Random screen junk occurs sometimes. Have you tried reset?
03:59.34ram_einsteinwell, actually it's not random
03:59.50ram_einsteinit's only when some characters aren't able to display like an apostophe
04:00.11ram_einsteinjunk substitutes these characters
04:00.12dabreegsterVery strange. How's the ' look?
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04:00.57ram_einsteinlike a box I think
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04:01.23ram_einsteinthere isn't that much junk. Just a little
04:01.31ram_einsteinit's the ncurses apps that are majorly broken
04:01.43ram_einsteinbtw, I'm on Debian Etch
04:02.01dabreegsterProbably the special ANSI line graphics. ACS_*
04:02.11ram_einsteinprobably
04:02.28ram_einsteindabreegster: I just built all locales now
04:02.34ram_einsteinlet's hope it has some use
04:02.43dabreegsterI really dunno what could cause that, sorry.
04:02.59dabreegsterOK. I've never had to mess with them, but they're probably somehow related.
04:03.16ram_einsteindabreegster: it's alright. Nobody has been able to solve it so far ;)
04:03.47dabreegsterram_einstein: Just a thought. Try running these apps within screen. It might somehow set things right, though that makes no sense.
04:03.59Hestonany recommendations for a movie player that can play wmv's ?
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04:04.17dabreegsterHeston: mplayer
04:04.21ram_einsteindabreegster: when I run the apps within a jfbterm, they're more than fine. I think I already mentioned that
04:04.24ram_einsteinHeston: vlc
04:04.29Hestondabreegster, there's no package for mplayer
04:04.29ram_einsteinwith flaac
04:04.38unstableHeston: mplayer
04:04.40unstable!tell Heston about marillat
04:04.42Hestonotherwise id use it
04:04.45ram_einsteinvlc++
04:04.46dabreegsterram_einstein: Yes. I guess an emulator might be your only option
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04:04.54unstableHeston: What version of debian are you running?
04:04.55ram_einsteindabreegster: :(
04:05.11ram_einsteinmplayer-- :)
04:05.20Hestonunstable, testing
04:05.33dabreegsterram_einstein: Hey, mplayer is great. Especially for console junkies that dislike X.
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04:05.51unstable!tell Heston about marillat.etch
04:06.01ram_einsteindabreegster: it runs off the framebuffer?
04:06.01ram_einsteinso does vlc
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04:06.18Hestonunstable, thanks
04:06.29ram_einsteindabreegster: note that the apps in jfbterm work nicely only when I specify a lot of fontsets to be used
04:06.34dabreegsterram_einstein: Yes, but also cvidix (some thing that happens to work on my ATI Rage card), aalib, and caca
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04:07.26ram_einsteinany idea if it's got something to do with the fontsets, because I suspect strongly that it does have something to do with fontsets
04:07.58dabreegsterOK, then try loading different console fonts. consolechars -d is the default, and the rest are in /usr/share/consolefonts I believe
04:08.34ram_einsteindabreegster: okay, I'll try that
04:08.37Hestonunstable, wouldn't those packages be illegal?
04:09.17unstableHeston: Depends on what country you live in.
04:09.25dabreegsterHeston: I don't think mplayer is illegal, just against Debian policy
04:09.47Hestoni dont know of a mplayer package for an OS or distro
04:10.11Hestonany*
04:10.18Coweatermarillat has them for debian
04:10.27dabreegsterDid you read what dpkg told you about marillat?
04:10.52Hestonof course but that doesnt say whether this is legal or not
04:11.14Hestonand seeing as debian doesnt distribute them, im guessing it isnt legal
04:11.25Coweaterit's not a question of legality
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04:11.39Coweaterdebian has it's own guidelines which packages must adhere to for distribution
04:11.40dabreegsterErm, double negative there?
04:12.34Coweaterif anything is illegal it's the w32codecs, but i think most of those are distributed freely in some form anyhow
04:13.37unstablelibdvdcss is definitely illegal in america
04:13.45unstablecriminal offence via dmca
04:14.12unstableYou go to federal pound me in the ass prison if you play dvd with GNU / Linux using libdvdcss
04:14.14dabreegsterOops.
04:14.19sparrunstable: i disagree.
04:14.27dabreegsterlibdvdcss2? :P
04:14.28frodo_What is w32codecs?
04:14.29Coweateri'm still waiting for a lawsuit to prove that
04:14.38sparrCoweater: ditto
04:14.42unstableheh
04:15.08unstableCoweater: I think out of 15,000 lawsuits from the RIAA, one went to court. iirc
04:15.11Coweaterseriously, i think any competent judge would throw it out when he was told you were watching a dvd you owned
04:15.16sparrunstable: the dmca only prohibits breaking encryption that "effectively controls access to a work"...  css doesnt, since i can use any of over 300 MILLION dvd players in the country to access the work.
04:15.24unstableCoweater: They all settle out of court, so it's unlikely there will be a case that sets a precedent.
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04:15.58sparrthat word 'effectively' is an important point
04:16.10Coweaterwth, the riaa does music piracy, libdvdcss is a totally different issue
04:17.09frodo_Its must likely that they will not go after you unless your distrubition the files.
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04:17.41GeorgeS069:)
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04:17.58ram_einsteinneither vlc nor mplayer is in testing. What's going on!?
04:18.16dabreegsterram_einstein: They're in the marillat repository
04:18.27Coweatervlc isn't
04:18.29unstablevlc has a rc bug
04:18.51unstablemplayer doesn't meet dfsg
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04:19.00dabreegsterSo a slightly older, but workable version isn't in testing?
04:19.04unstableram_einstein: add deb-src to your /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get build-dep vlc; apt-get source vlc;
04:19.07Coweater!why is vlc not in testing
04:19.07dpkgvlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc
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04:20.16tonsofpcsvlc isn't in testing? since when?
04:20.43tonsofpcsoh
04:21.18tonsofpcsthere is a vlc package for sid/etch built nightly
04:22.13ram_einsteinunstable: my sources.list reads
04:22.15ram_einsteindeb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian etch main
04:22.15Hestonhrm, mplayer gives a fatal error for everything i try and play, "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
04:22.16ram_einsteindeb-src ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian etch main
04:22.31ram_einsteindabreegster: I think I prefer the official ones
04:22.38ram_einsteinI'd rather not get that thing for now
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04:22.50tonsofpcsram_einstein: official according to whom?
04:22.58ram_einsteintonsofpcs: debian official
04:23.02tonsofpcsah
04:23.11ram_einsteinlook at my sources.list paste
04:23.13tonsofpcsbecause if you just want vlc latest for testing, nightlies.videolan.org has it
04:23.22dabreegsterHeston: What vo device? Try another
04:23.23ram_einsteinunstable: yet, I can't get vlc
04:23.36ram_einsteinjust leave me a message. I need to grab something to eat
04:24.19Hestondabreegster, hmm xmga
04:25.00dabreegsterHeston: If that's hardware accelerated somehow, you might need to be root, but I don't recommend this. Try x11 or xv first.
04:25.34Hestongl worked but was lagging, ill try x11
04:25.59Hestonyeah x11 works fine, thanks
04:26.15frodo_Debian is support the commode
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04:28.34dongscan someone help me why samba is dogshit slow over internet? 2+ seconds to open directories/files, and general lameness, ping between hosts is only 50ms it cant be that bad can it? plz some tips on making it suck less
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04:30.28dongslol anyone
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04:34.47unstabledongs: /join #samba
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04:36.29Hestondabreegster, still there?
04:36.38GeorgeS069dongs: can you paste the global tcp settinsg from smb.conf somewhere and I'll have a look
04:36.39dabreegsterHeston: Yes
04:36.40ram_einsteindabreegster: marillet repo. Where do I get it?
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04:36.52dabreegster!tell ram_einstein about marillat
04:37.18Hestondabreegster, while trying to play wmv's i get "Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x33564D57"
04:37.22optrazhello anybody know how to output month in openoffice calc ? im looking for a function
04:37.46Hestondabreegster, i tried every vo with the same message
04:38.05dabreegsterHeston: You might need the debatably moral/legal w32codecs package
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04:38.10dongsGeorgeS069: they're just standard
04:38.14dongsunstable: already there
04:38.24dongsGeorgeS069: TCP_NODELAY + the 'recommended SO_BUF 8192 or whaever.
04:38.40ram_einsteindabreegster: how do I ask dpkg about marrilat.etch?
04:39.02Hestondabreegster, why are they considered illegal? where they reversed engineered?
04:39.07ram_einsteinabout marrilat.etch or marillat.etch doesn't work
04:39.34GeorgeS069dongs: well,I used to have all that stuff in my smb.conf when I used mandriva....switched over to debian and for some reason it didn't add any tcp settings when installed and now samba flys for me
04:39.40ram_einsteinunstable: apt-get source vlc doesn't work for me
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04:40.02ram_einsteindeb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian etch main
04:40.02ram_einsteindeb-src ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian etch main
04:40.08GeorgeS069dongs: my advice is take all that tcp_nodelay   etc   crap out
04:40.10ram_einsteinthat's my sources.list ^^
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04:40.19unstableram_einstein: You aren't reading what I said.
04:40.19ram_einsteinwhen I change etch to stable, it doesn't work. Why?
04:40.26dongsGeorgeS069: orly, lets see
04:40.27unstableram_einstein: Your sources.list should be unstable for deb-src
04:40.46ram_einsteinunstable: ah, okay
04:40.58kill-9hey i have a question i have a toshiba laptop and i have a wireless, card that i just buyt and im installing debian on it, on linux26 how can it be reconized on the installation any help
04:40.58kill-9?
04:41.22GeorgeS069dongs: I'll paste my global settings to pastebin  and you can have a look see :)
04:41.27ram_einsteinwhen I change etch to stable, it doesn't work. Why?
04:41.35ram_einsteindoes my mirror not have stable?
04:42.13dongshm nah, removing the shit didnt help at all same delays
04:42.14dongsweird
04:42.20kill-9any help please
04:42.21ram_einsteinunstable: what do I do with the vlc source afterwards though? why not just get vlc?
04:42.48GeorgeS069dongs:  http://pastebin.ca/66452
04:42.54unstableram_einstein: compile it
04:43.34dongslookin
04:43.43kill-9hey i have a question i have a toshiba laptop and i have a wireless, card that i just buyt and im installing debian on it, on linux26 how can it be reconized on the installation any help
04:43.56dongsya nothing really different
04:44.08GeorgeS069well,worth a shot
04:44.15GeorgeS069wish I could help more
04:44.40GeorgeS069samba is whacky....it was super slow on mandriva...main reason I tried debian again
04:44.51ram_einsteinunstable: why!? why not just get the vlc?
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04:45.38kill-9so no one can help
04:45.54ram_einsteinunstable: I'd much rather have the stable vlc deb
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04:45.55GeorgeS069kill-9 : wireless cards are bitch in linux
04:45.57unstableram_einstein: Because it isn't in testing.
04:46.05ram_einsteinunstable: isn't there one in stable?
04:46.12Sivikhow do i edit my login manager (xdm) so i can get e17
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04:46.56ram_einsteinW: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.au.debian.org sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.au.debian.org_debian_dists_sarge_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
04:47.00ram_einstein^^ what's that
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04:47.09ram_einsteinwhy isn't my repo working with stable!?
04:47.38kill-9GeorgeS069 are they?
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04:47.59GeorgeS069kill-9 : from what I hear it's not for a "newbie"
04:48.17kill-9im not a newbie but i'm a newbie with laptops + linux
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04:48.27kazukiWHen i type mount /dev/fd0 /tofolder it gives me error that its not a valid block device ?
04:48.43ram_einsteinkill-9: linux is linux is linux. It's usually a 2 MB file in /boot
04:48.48stewkazuki: you need to be more specific, like what chipset is it?
04:49.02GeorgeS069kill-9 : I know a few wireless cards are supported...especially ones with prism chips
04:49.03stewkill-9: ^^^
04:49.15kill-9wait
04:49.16kill-9give me one second
04:49.26kazukistew what does that have to do with a floppy mount, its a amd 86
04:49.33GeorgeS069lol
04:49.35dabreegsterram_einstein: You might have to call it 'sarge' and not stable judging by ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/
04:49.46stewkazuki: sorry, misfire, i meant kill-9
04:49.52kazukio lol
04:50.15kill-9stew wireless cardbus adapter gigafast wf728-aex
04:50.24Sivikhow do i edit my login manager
04:50.29stewkill-9: what chipset is that?
04:50.45ram_einsteindabreegster: okay, I'll try that
04:50.51_endsSivik, what do you mean?
04:51.06Sivik_ends: i'm trying to get e17 to run but i have to figure out how to edit my login manager first
04:51.22stewkill-9: is it atheros? is it prism? is it broadcom?
04:51.22kill-9stew how do i know
04:51.27stewkill-9: you google it
04:51.30ram_einsteinWhy the hell isn't "deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main" working!?
04:51.44Sivikram_einstein, that probably means the repo is down currently
04:52.10dabreegsterram_einstein: Try sarge instead of stable. Look at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists
04:52.23MitjaAnyone has any idea how to fix include/asm/processor.h:87: error: array type has incomplete element type ?  (extern struct tss_struct init_tss[NR_CPUS];) at that line
04:52.28_endsSivik, what login manager do you use
04:52.37Sivikxdm
04:52.39Siviki think
04:52.57ram_einsteindabreegster: I tried sarge too
04:53.01_endstry reading the man page
04:53.10_ends'man xdm'
04:53.15ram_einsteinSivik: all the repos are down!? I even tried ftp.au.debian.org/debian
04:53.22Sivikram_einstein, not sure
04:53.26dabreegsterram_einstein: I dunno then, sorry
04:53.36unstablelol, all the repos don't go down
04:53.41unstablethe internet would have to go down
04:53.48unstableMy repos work fine
04:54.41ram_einsteinbloody hell, something seems to be wrong. Only testing seems to work
04:54.46ram_einsteinunstable and stable don't work at all!
04:54.56dabreegsterram_einstein: Then why can't you use testing?
04:54.58ram_einsteinunstable: can you paste me your sources.list?
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04:55.15ram_einsteindabreegster: because I need a vlc/ mplayer now
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04:55.41dabreegsterram_einstein: If I understand correctly, it's in testing.
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04:55.51ram_einsteinErr ftp: stable Release.gpg Unable to connect to  ftp:
04:56.12ram_einsteindabreegster: I think you're wrong. Ask dpkg why vlc isn't in testing
04:56.18ram_einsteinmplayer isn't in testing either
04:56.45stewmplayer was never in debian at all
04:56.45dabreegsterram_einstein: Oh, I dunno about vlc. mplayer is, however
04:56.53stewdabreegster: no
04:56.55dabreegstermarillat repository.
04:57.01ram_einsteinstew: where do I get it then?
04:57.20ram_einsteinstew: and my stable in debian doesn't seem to work at all, so I don't think vlc is an option
04:57.30stewram_einstein: what? mplayer? /msg dpkg mplayer
04:57.44stewram_einstein: what do you mean by "my stable in debian doesn't seem to work at all"
04:58.16ram_einsteinstew: I think I pasted a series of errors. When I change the testing to stable in my repo, it fails
04:58.23ram_einsteintesting/etch works fine
04:58.43ram_einsteinstew: I'll paste some for you too :)
04:58.57ram_einsteinW: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.au.debian.org sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.au.debian.org_debian_dists_sarge_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
04:59.01stewram_einstein: /msg dpkg paster
04:59.06stewram_einstein: /ms dpkg bat
04:59.40bluntedanybody know where to get some games
04:59.46Sivikok, this isn't working, i'm trying to add e17 to my login manager
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04:59.49ram_einsteinstew: okay, I'm on it
04:59.49bluntednot apt tho i already got all the ones i want
04:59.54stewram_einstein: ram_einstein that to me looks like you need to run apt-get update
05:00.00rohanhi all
05:00.04ram_einsteinstew: that's what I ran
05:00.10ram_einsteinwhen I got this output
05:00.19stewram_einstein: put your sources.list into a pastebin
05:00.32ram_einsteinstew: I can put it right here, it's two lines
05:00.46ram_einsteindeb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main
05:00.47ram_einsteindeb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main
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05:01.07stewram_einstein: run apt-get update
05:01.21dabreegsterram_einstein: Where is your marillat line!?
05:01.25Sivikdoes anyone here use e17
05:01.27ram_einsteindabreegster: I removed it
05:01.37dabreegsterram_einstein: Gave up on mplayer. OK.
05:01.42stewhe's not talking sense
05:02.03stewhe claims to get an error about ftp://ftp.au.debian.org even though his sources say ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian
05:02.13rohanlol
05:07.42GeorgeS069yippeee....got my email up again:)
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05:10.22GeorgeS069polishkoop : how'd ya make out?
05:10.24rohanwhat exactly does debhelper do ?
05:10.30tuvhmm.. e17 is getting popular!
05:10.53dabreegsterrohan: Autokick people for pasting, set limits so too many people aren't here, etc.
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05:11.38GeorgeS069did polishkoop get banned or muted somehow?
05:11.53rohanoh ok, dabreegster
05:12.06rohanGeorgeS069: muted, most probably
05:12.15streunerGeorgeS069: no
05:12.15GeorgeS069bummer
05:12.17dabreegsterMuted?
05:12.33GeorgeS069he /msg'ed me and said he couldn't type in the channel
05:12.35streunerGeorgeS069: he is root and people who are root are +q
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05:13.06streunerso say to him he should just login as normal 'user'
05:13.11GeorgeS069I splained it him
05:13.16Sivikwhat was that url for the pastebin?
05:13.24streuner!paste
05:13.25dpkgDo not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/
05:13.32GeorgeS069I used to do that all the time
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05:13.55polishkoopi never knew I couldn't be root
05:13.58Sivikabout the xdm thingy
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05:14.18streuner!tell polishkoop about root
05:14.19GeorgeS069It's bad to login to irc as root
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05:14.51polishkoopGeorgeS069: I'm having problems upgrading from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 with debian sarge.  Do I need to change something in my sources because when i do apt-get install linux-image2.6.15-1-686 it says package can not be found.
05:15.01polishkoopyah i didn't realize I was in root, my bad
05:15.27dabreegsterpolishkoop: There's a - after image
05:15.38tuvis 2.6.15 in sarge? i don't think so!
05:15.47polishkoopdabreegster: i did that in the command line, i just didn't type it correctly on here
05:15.55dabreegsterpolishkoop: Also, I'm not sure 2.6 is in sarge.
05:16.04streunerpolishkoop: did you add backports to your sources.list?
05:16.08GeorgeS069polishkoop : you should make sure you have a source in /etc/apt/sources.list that has that too
05:16.09tuv2.6 is in sarge.. just not 2.6.15
05:16.20polishkoopwhat is the latest one I can upgrade to?  Or can i?
05:16.28tuvpolishkoop, try linux-image-2.6-686
05:16.34streunerpolishkoop: /msg dpkg backports
05:16.37GeorgeS069you can get 2.6.15...I'm using it now
05:16.48streunerpolishkoop: they have 2.6.16, IIRC
05:16.55GeorgeS069well,not on this laptop but,it's on my server
05:16.55myrenhow do i get the source for a package?
05:17.02myrenaewm++ isnt available anymore. :(
05:17.09polishkoopit still says can not find package
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05:17.28kill-9damn not event my etherncard debian reconized it,
05:17.30kill-9i wonder why
05:17.34GeorgeS069polishkoop: did you add the backports source?
05:17.36kill-9anyone knows? i have a laptop
05:17.42polishkoopGeorgeS069: my bad i forgot to do that
05:17.42astronutkill-9: what type?
05:17.52kill-9is a toshiba tecra 8200
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05:18.08astronuthmm
05:18.09astronutdunno
05:18.18astronutmy laptop didn't autodetect but worked fine (tg3 driver)
05:18.23astronutdo an LSPCI
05:18.32GeorgeS069kill-9: dud I looked over for the chipset for that wireless card and couldn't find any info about it's chipset
05:18.55astronutwhat wifi card?
05:18.57polishkoopquestion... should i bother updating my kernel?
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05:19.01tuvpolishkoop, it's kernel-image-2.6-686 in sarge. this package will pull in the latest 2.6 image in stable
05:19.19kill-9netowrk controller intersil corporation intersil isl3898
05:19.22polishkooptuv: aiight i still gotta add backports to my sources i guess
05:19.31tuvpolishkoop, not for this package
05:19.33GeorgeS069polishkoop: only if you really need it for hardware support
05:19.45tuvpolishkoop, backports for the more recent kernels like 2.6.15+
05:19.45GeorgeS069I had to have it for my ATI chipset
05:20.27tuvpolishkoop, the kernel-image-2.6-686 will install 2.6.8 from sarge repo. without any additional sources
05:20.45kill-9so what do ido
05:20.51polishkoopthanks a lot guys, I'm not used to sarge now.  I was so used to etch
05:21.05dabreegsterWhy'd you switch?
05:21.19dabreegsterWell, stability presumably.
05:21.22polishkoopi'm very new to linux, and people said I shouldn't be on testing/unstable
05:22.05dabreegsterBah. Testing is fine. You get so much more, and it's stable enough for desktop use.
05:22.46GeorgeS069polishkoop: if everything is working just stay with what works and be "stable" :)
05:23.25polishkoopGeorgeS069: is there a way to remove the 2.4 kernel option from Grub when i start up?  I like things to be tidy ^-^
05:23.47exobyteI'm having problems getting tftpd to work.  inetd spawns it, but that's it
05:23.48dabreegsterpolishkoop: It's in /boot/grub/menu.lst
05:23.57polishkoopdabreegster: gracias
05:24.00tuvpolishkoop, see.. you cannot take people's sayings in such a debatable matter.. just figure out what works for you.. you may need to try all your options to make your decision.. just take your time and make your own decision
05:24.11dabreegsterpolishkoop: Or, if you've removed the 2.4 kernel (don't till you're sure 2.6 is stable), updating grub should do it. Maybe dpkg-reconfigure.
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05:24.38tuvpolishkoop, uninstall the 2.4 kernel for a clean removal from the boot menu
05:24.46polishkoopall 3 of you guys:  again i'm very new and right now all I can go on is advice.
05:24.54dabreegsterBe sure 2.6 works for you first though.
05:24.55polishkooptuv: alright ill google how to do that whenever i get everythign working on 2.6
05:25.11tuvpolishkoop, how to do what?
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05:25.18polishkooptuv: uninstall 2.4
05:25.34tuvpolishkoop, apt-get remove kernel-image-2.4?
05:25.34GeorgeS069it's easy   apt-get remove --purge  2.4.whatever
05:26.08liable_just leave it as a backup kernel
05:26.16GeorgeS069apt-get and apt-cache are good things to learn about
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05:26.27polishkoopaiight, makes sense.  thanks a lot guys.  I'm gonna go but It's probably going to be a certainty that I'll be back in here again.
05:26.41dabreegsterGood luck.
05:26.42GeorgeS069we will be waiting for ya :)
05:26.46polishkoopso I'll probably catch you guys later.  Have a good night
05:26.53GeorgeS069good night polishkoop
05:26.57dabreegsterNight.
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05:29.32Samus_Aranhow can I get Debian to use my settings in /etc/security/limits.conf ?  it seems to be ignoring this file
05:29.58cyziehotplug no longer supported in etch or sid?
05:30.11liable_replaced by udev
05:30.29cyzieahh okay, so i just apt-get remove --purge hotplug. because it keep on complaint
05:31.01liable_yeah, have a read of the udev changelog, iirc it tells you what to do
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05:31.26cyziethanks liable
05:31.26astronutSamus_Aran: works for me - dunno
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05:31.31dabreegsterI remember having to purge, yes. Attempting to install udev would fail until you do so.
05:31.59astronutSamus_Aran: i forget waht i did if any
05:32.42cyzieliable, when i do apt-get upgrade, there are a package which i dont want to upgrade. that is tora. because the tora reside in the repository does not have oracle 10g compiled. i would like other packages to be updated but not tora. how can i accomplish it ?
05:33.06cyzies/are/is
05:33.13liablecyzie: /msg dpkg hold
05:33.26Samus_Aranastronut: is there a pam package or something that needs to be installed ?  should there be a "pamd" ?  I can't seem to remember
05:33.49astronutSamus_Aran: been way too long, sorry
05:33.54astronutmaybe libpam-runtime, maybe something else
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05:34.08vrthello all, i have a usb webcam
05:34.18astronutvrt: i do too
05:34.19vrti want to get it configured, there is no /dev/video*
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05:34.28astronutvrt: you need the right module
05:34.39vrtthis one is from frontech
05:34.44astronutdo an lsusb, google for the product idea, find the driver, build it if neccessary, then modprobe it
05:34.50cyzieliable, ... mm.. it mentioned hold the purpose but didtn answer quite well what im trying to achieve
05:35.12Sivikanyone here use e17?
05:35.21cyziee17? elive?:D
05:35.38Sivikcyzie: e17
05:35.44streuner!anyone
05:35.44dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
05:35.46Sivikcyzie: the gui, not the live cd
05:35.54Sivikstreuner, eat me
05:35.59cyzieSivik, then no
05:36.20vrtok astronut thanks for the help.
05:36.37Sivikstreuner, i did ask if anyone uses e17
05:36.48Sivikdoes anyone use e17
05:36.53liablecyzie: do what it says in the last bit of the factid
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05:37.32cyzieliable, okay get it. thanks
05:37.54cyzieapt-get check
05:37.54cyzieReading package lists... Done
05:37.55cyzieSegmentation faulty tree... 50
05:38.00cyzieseems like soemthing is broken :(
05:38.14dabreegsterapt-get is segfaulting? Run gdb.
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05:38.51bluntedis there some way to make xchat handle irc:// links from the web?
05:39.16astronutblunted: ask your browser
05:39.27k-godblunted: Prolly through mime configuration and your browser.  Not an xchat config
05:39.35bluntedok
05:39.39bluntedhow do i do that
05:39.56liable!ping
05:39.57dpkgpong
05:40.05astronut!ping
05:40.11astronutha! we win
05:40.14astronutone-love
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05:40.38bluntedok i use firefox
05:40.40ma3xhow can I unpack .ace archive?
05:41.27dongsunace?
05:41.32dongs.exe
05:42.04ma3xthanks
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05:43.22Sivikdoes anyone here use e17
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05:43.47liableSivik: is it stable yet?
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05:44.15Sivikliable, no
05:44.33liableSivik: its broken?
05:44.53Sivikliable, what do you mean by broken
05:44.58vrthey i think its zc0301.
05:45.16liableSivik: well, if its not stable...
05:45.20Sivikliable, i have no clue how to tell if its broken
05:45.35streunerSivik: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
05:46.31Sivikstreuner, what does that have to do with wdm and e17
05:46.52streunerwell, if you using ubuntu we cannot help
05:47.06Sivikstreuner, yes, i'm using ubuntu
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05:47.23Sivikstreuner, but would it really be that different for the wdm?
05:47.41Sivikstreuner, at least maybe y'all could help a little that might help me in doing what i'm trying to do
05:47.46liableSivik: i was asking out of interest
05:47.50Sivikliable, ok
05:47.58Sivikliable, e16 is stable though
05:48.06liableyeah, i know
05:48.57Sivikstreuner, there is no one in the ubuntu channel that has e17 or seems to not want to help me
05:49.21liableSivik: whats the actuall problem
05:49.27vrtastronut: i got the source from linux-devices.org
05:49.36vrtcompiled it and did a modules_install.
05:49.47Sivikliable: i'm trying to get e17 in my gdm, i installed it and now trying to figure out how to log into it
05:49.52vrtmodprobe says module not found :(
05:49.55streunerliable: he's using ubuntu
05:50.15liablestreuner: yeah, i know, i am bored.. :)
05:50.23liablevrt: depmod -a?
05:50.30streunerliable: well, go to #ubuntu then and help him there
05:50.35liableno
05:50.43vrteeks, didn't do that :P
05:50.44Sivikstreuner, he can help me in here
05:50.50bluntedwow i filled my disk all the way up
05:51.13liableSivik: i dunno how to add it to gdm menu anyway. try man gdm.conf?
05:51.20vrtok now i am getting an invalid module format
05:51.24bluntedyou shouldnt have to add it with gdm
05:51.27vrti am on vanilla 2.6.16
05:51.31bluntedit should do it on its own
05:51.33liablehrm, no man page for that..
05:51.34Sivikblunted, its not there
05:51.34astronutvrt: what driver was it?
05:51.43astronutvrt: you should use the debian package if it is available
05:51.46vrthttp://www.linux-projects.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=8
05:51.51vrtohh
05:51.51Siviki'm not using gdm
05:51.52astronutvrt: name
05:51.57vrtzc0301
05:52.00bluntedSivik, did you try /etc/init.d/gdm restart
05:52.00Sivikblunted: i'm not using gdm
05:52.10tuvvrt, looks like a "different gcc version than the kernel's" problem to me
05:52.28Sivikblunted, i'm using wdm
05:52.57vrti compiled this kernel on my own box tuv, i did do some apt-get upgrades though
05:53.02vrtcould that have any hand in this??
05:53.05tuvvrt, were you using the same gcc version as the one in /proc/version?
05:53.14vrtchecking..
05:53.19astronutprobably not
05:53.25astronutsince debian recently switched from 4.0 to 4.1
05:53.33vrtoh no!
05:53.35bluntedSivik, u could try /etc/init.d/wdm restart
05:53.48astronutvrt: ah, didn't know you built your own kernel, yes, tuv's was the right answer
05:53.49vrtmy current gcc is 4.0.4
05:53.53astronutkernel used?
05:54.04vrtkernel used 3.3.6
05:54.05tuvastronut, my default gcc is still 4.0 though
05:54.09Sivikblunted, i already rebooted the computer
05:54.12vrtcrap, i am screwed ?
05:54.14Sivikblunted: and it still wasn't there
05:54.15bluntedoh
05:54.17astronutyou can use CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3
05:54.21vrtok
05:54.27astronutvrt: naw, gcc-3.3 should still be installed
05:54.27vrtin the makefile rt?
05:54.31astronutjust before it
05:54.33astronutuhmm
05:54.41astronutor just export it
05:54.45streunerSivik: we told you ask somewhere else, what's that hard to unterstand?
05:54.45astronutas long as you keep the same shell
05:54.53Sivikstreuner, i don't care what you asked
05:54.54astronutexport CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3
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05:54.59vrthow do i tell make to use this
05:55.00vrtok
05:55.02vrtwill try that
05:55.21streuner!ops Sivik is using ubuntu and still asking for help here, ignoring all recommends.
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05:55.21dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: streuner complains about: Sivik is using ubuntu and still asking for help here, ignoring all recommends.
05:55.46Sivikstreuner, actually, after you said that, i didn't ask anymore, people offered to help
05:55.56streunerok
05:56.01Sivikstreuner: so whats the issues
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05:56.40vrtnope, same error
05:56.52vrtguess its not picking the dfault CC ?
05:57.00vrtshould i put it in the MakeFile?
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05:57.25liableSivik: http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5070&start=50
05:57.54dongslol vectorlunix
05:58.09streuneridiot
05:58.12dongsyou know the biggest problem with lunix is there are like 2346238764 distros
05:58.15dongsand they all suck! lol
05:58.29Sivikliable: i will try the stuff they tried, thanks
05:59.53ma3xis it a bad idea if I have umlaute in the filenames/
06:00.02streuneryes
06:00.41ma3xwhy StereoSkit
06:00.44ma3xoh streuner
06:00.46Rebeccastreuner: hey. i got the netinstaller disk booting
06:00.59dongsbecause linux is against nazis and other filth. us-ascii or death
06:01.01streunerma3x: some apps. aren't able to handle it...
06:01.22streunerRebecca: fine :-)
06:01.32ma3xstreuner, like k3b, that's terrible!
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06:02.05streunerma3x: they using prolly umlauts too, so it should be something else (wild guess)
06:02.16Rebeccai had to get a second idea cable (stupid me threw out my spare while cleaning). i attached a real hdd to get it booting ok. soon i get to find out if it will boot the CF drive by itself, lol
06:02.34ma3xstreuner, k3b can't burn filenames with umlaute
06:02.59dongsRebecca: quick question, are you a pre-op or a post-op
06:03.16streunerma3x: hm, it can, but it doesn't show it in menu, IIRC.
06:03.21cyziehello , just now i mentioned my apt-get has segmentation fault. i follow this and it appear "fix" the segmentation fault. http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-03/4513.html
06:03.28Rebeccadongs: huh?
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06:03.43ma3xstreuner, I get input/output error because of the umlauts
06:03.50dongsRebecca: have you chopped it off yet?
06:04.04gouronhi guys, what program should I use to open .pif file?
06:04.06Rebeccadongs: i have all my fingers and toes thanks :D
06:04.20liabledongs: stop being a troll
06:04.28dongs??
06:04.36Rebeccalol. wtf is he on about
06:05.47kill-9i have a question when i try installing debian on my laptop the ethernet doesn't work and i just boot it up the ubuntu, live cd and everything works any ideas please so i can get debian working?
06:06.37liablekill-9: sounds like you need a newer kernel, did you boot the debian installer with the 2.6 kernel?
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06:06.42streunerkill-9: what model (laptop)?
06:07.17gouronno one here knows about .pif file?
06:07.50liablecyzie: hrm, i dunno what those files do.
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06:08.45cyzieliable, so am i :D but at least i see no more segmentation fault. i think it is nasty.. i feel no stable for my debian anymore. i never format it ever since i install sarge
06:08.48streunerkill-9: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i eth' say?
06:09.38valdyngouron: a pif file is a windows 'symlink'
06:10.10valdyngouron: windows 3.1 i think, not sure its used after that
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06:10.21valdyngouron: but newer windows versions probably stil can see and use it
06:10.56gouronvaldyn: yeh, it is described as a Window Executable. I am using Debian Linux. So, what is the suitable prog to open it?
06:11.08valdyngouron: windows
06:11.11kill-9streuner is a toshiba tecra 8200
06:11.31gouronvaldyn: but I am using linux.
06:11.40valdyngouron: so?
06:12.10gouronvaldyn:  are there Linux prog which can open this type of file?
06:12.14liablecyzie: ah, thats a binary version of the available stuff. i bet when you did the hold thing, you must have corrupted it i spose
06:12.18valdyngouron: maybe wine knows pif files too
06:12.26tonsofpcsvaldyn: no it isn't
06:12.33cyzieliable, i yet to try the hold thing
06:12.35valdyngouron: but why the hell would you want to use a pif file on linux
06:12.40valdyntonsofpcs: it isnt what?
06:12.50tonsofpcsa PIF file is a file that tells windows how to execute a DOS program (what envvars to set and such)
06:13.08gouronvaldyn: my isp send me a mail with an attachment of this type.
06:13.08liablecyzie: hrm, nfc then
06:13.10valdyntonsofpcs: yea i know, but its not just for dos programs
06:13.21tonsofpcsvaldyn: since when?
06:13.23valdyntonsofpcs: im away i was simplifying :)
06:13.27valdyntonsofpcs: im aware i was simplifying :)
06:13.38kill-9streuner it give me this Ethernet Controller: Intel Corp 82801ba/bam/ca/cam Ethernet controller rev 03 subsystem intel corp etherexpress pro/100 ve
06:13.41kill-9that's what i got
06:14.03cyzieliable, nfc?
06:14.24liablecyzie: no fucking clue :)
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06:15.06cyzieLoL
06:15.10valdyngouron: that sounds not like your ISP would do that but a spammer
06:15.27valdyngouron: thats more likely a trojan
06:15.37cyzieliable, how long have you not format your hdd that installed debian ?
06:15.41kill-9any ideas streuner
06:15.49streunerkill-9: what netinstaller did you use?
06:16.16gouronvaldyn: damn, u r right. i just search the web. the advice is to delete such files.
06:16.30kill-9the sarge installer i belived, i have the book debian gnu linux 3.1 bible and it came with it,
06:16.32liablecyzie: on one box about a year, on my laptop i had it for about a year and a half, but formatted the drive to remove windows.
06:16.39valdyngouron: fortunately you werent able to execute it..
06:17.05valdyngouron: a pif file isnt bad per se, but no one except trojans probably still uses that
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06:17.19gouronvaldyn: yeh. i thought it was fr my isp because the source add is that of the isp.
06:17.39kill-9i have an ethernet card, and the cable is connect it, and ubuntu automatic, detect it but debian doesn't seem to detect it i don't know why streuner
06:17.49cyzieliable, mmm...im thinking about formatting the drive and get put those 2 sata disks runnign on raid1. then install etch on it. but it's gonna be a lot of works. :/
06:17.55valdyngouron: a source add is does not verify anything at all
06:18.02streunerkill-9: did you try modprobe eepro100?
06:18.02liablekill-9: try it with the linux26 boot option
06:18.13gouronvaldyn: yeh. i know better now. thks.
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06:18.14kill-9streuner let me try it
06:18.40liablecyzie: did you not try that howto i gave you?
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06:19.26ma3xis there no way of recovering deleted files on ext3 partition?
06:19.39streunerkill-9: does the live-CD use eepro100 as well?
06:19.40dongsma3x: nope
06:19.44valdynma3x: restore from backup
06:19.46dongslol @ linux
06:20.06cyzieliable, yeah.. iread about it. i have been searching doc soemthing like that for such  a long time. thanks and i really appreciate it a lot. now i have to find a hdd to backup the important datas. we are talking about 80 x 2 = 160GB :D
06:20.09ma3xand from ext2?
06:20.19streunerthe same
06:20.21dongsnope, since htey're essentially same thing.
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06:20.41liablecyzie: oh, you have both disks full of stuff?
06:20.44valdynma3x: there _is_ undelete tools, which you would know if you would search, but they are not reliable
06:20.45ma3xbut since it doesn't wipe the files, it should be possible to restore them
06:21.00ma3xvaldyn, I just tried those tools, useless
06:21.02cyzieyes... :(
06:21.06valdynma3x: right
06:21.19streunerma3x: ext3 isn't basically a FS (ext2) with a journal, not more and not less...
06:21.26streuners/isn't/is/
06:21.33kill-9streuner it doesn't work
06:22.03streunerkill-9: so try an 2.6.x kernel (option)
06:22.10kill-9huh
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06:22.30streunerkill-9: at the boot-prompt use 'linux2.6'
06:22.36dongslol
06:22.40dongskill-9: ethernet not working?
06:22.45kill-9yeah
06:22.49dongson a tecra? horrors.
06:22.54streunerkill-9: what module is loaded in the live-CD, btw?
06:22.59liablestreuner: minus the .
06:23.09dongskill-9: you can either spend weeks fucking around with getting ACPI to work or you can install XP
06:23.13kill-9dongs yeah
06:23.20kill-9for what?
06:23.22kill-9i want debian on it
06:23.29dongssucks to be you, i guess.
06:23.34dongsit will probably never work.
06:23.37streunerit shouldn't be a problem
06:23.39valdyndongs: stop trolling
06:23.40dongsall newish tecras use legacy-free bios
06:23.44dongswhich only supports acpi
06:23.49dongsand real operating systems
06:24.02Coweaterlol, windows a real operating system
06:24.05dongsvaldyn: just stating the facts
06:24.08kill-9so you're saying that linux isn't a real operating system?
06:24.09ma3xstreuner, what's the difference between filesystem and partition?
06:24.15streunerkill-9: plenty of other distros works fine with this kind of laptop http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html
06:24.17valdyndongs: no you arent
06:24.59streunerdongs: stop that.
06:25.00valdynkill-9: your ethernet card needs a a driver, if that card is new, then you need a new kernel, simple as that, there's a 2.6.8 kernel on the debian installer, and there's an installer with a newer kernel
06:25.11valdyn!sarge 2.6.15
06:25.11dpkgrumour has it, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm
06:25.12streunerit isn't...
06:25.14dongsvaldyn: the 'card' is pro/100 ve
06:25.18dongsvaldyn: its been around for YEARS.
06:25.22dongsway before 2.6.8 or whatever.
06:25.28dongsits supported by e100 driver
06:25.33cyzie<PROTECTED>
06:25.38dongsthe problem is, without proper acpi working, the card doesnt get initialized
06:25.41dongsand therefore cannot be used.
06:25.49kill-9admn
06:25.52kill-9so what can i do
06:25.59kill-9the installer only has 2.6
06:26.01kill-9kerne
06:26.01kill-9l
06:26.11dongsif it doesnt work, you're *probably* screwed.
06:26.17valdynkill-9: no it has both, 2.6 and 2.4, have you used the 2.6 yet?
06:26.22streunerkill-9: ok, /j #debian-boot and ask there
06:26.28ma3xwhat does the journal contribute to the ext2 partition? why does it make it better?
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06:26.39dongswhich tecra is this?
06:26.41ma3xI mean why the hell you want the journal, why not just have the ext2?
06:26.44dongs8200
06:26.48valdynma3x: it ensures that the filesystem is logically consistent
06:26.51ma3xwhat do ya get from journal
06:26.53streunerma3x: it makes it faster (not always)
06:26.55kill-9dongs 8200
06:27.17ma3xvaldyn, what does that mean 'logically consistent' ? in what way?
06:27.28simonrvnext2 doesn't do journalling
06:27.59valdynma3x: if a file is accessed, that acess gets done completely, only after that the journal notes 'transfer accepted'. You cannot have half complete writes on a journaled filesystem
06:28.10dongseh, thats old actually. i think legacy-free started with like 9100 or somethign
06:28.14kill-9damn that sucks about this freaking laptop
06:28.15dongsso it should just work.
06:28.35kill-9but the installer doesn't bring the ethernet card up,
06:28.37kill-9i wonder why
06:28.39ma3xvaldyn, can you specify a more concrette example?
06:28.44dongsforce it to e100 if theres a choice
06:28.48dongsis it actually enabled in bios?
06:28.54kill-9how can i check?
06:28.54dongshold esc while power on, hit f1, check
06:28.59kill-9okey
06:29.02kill-9give me one second
06:29.50kill-9dongs im there
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06:29.55dongsya
06:30.06dongspage down, i think lan is on the 2nd setup screen
06:30.06valdynma3x: ill try: you write "DATA" to disk into a file, if you switch it off while its writing on ext2 you may havea file called 'DA' on ext2, which is wrong, or a file containing DA plus 3 random characters. on a journaled fs you will have DATA or nothing
06:30.35kill-9okey
06:30.40dongsseeing it?
06:30.57kill-9yeash
06:31.04dongsand its enabled im sure
06:31.09ma3xvaldyn, ok thanks
06:31.22valdynma3x: mind, that is a simplified view...
06:31.56kill-9dongs im lost,
06:32.07dongskill-9: do you not see the lan config in bios?
06:32.18dongsif it says enable,d youre done, hit end key and reboot
06:32.24dongsif its disable,d enable it, hit end key, and reboot
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06:33.13kill-9all i see is lan priority
06:33.14kill-9is that one?
06:33.23dongsfor boot?
06:33.27dongsno youre on wrong screen
06:33.32dongshit pgdown again
06:33.32kill-9yes
06:33.36kill-9ok
06:33.49kill-9im there
06:33.54dongsya, anything related to lan?
06:34.02w4rpee'd on de upscreen
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06:34.20w4ri hate it
06:34.20kill-9nop
06:34.24dongsshitty
06:34.32dongswas there anything hardware/lan related on teh 1st screen?
06:34.38dongspg up to see
06:34.57w4rgit it on
06:35.07kill-9nop
06:35.13kill-9i dont see anything
06:35.17w4rnocaldialup
06:35.19w4rlol
06:35.21dongsok, then youre either clueless, lying, or dont have a toshiba laptop
06:35.32dongsyou DID get into the bios setup right?
06:35.32kill-9i don
06:35.36w4rhow come i cant git no tor
06:35.49w4ronion tears?
06:35.52kill-9Lan priority netowrk port replicator internal
06:35.54w4rno?
06:35.57kill-9and it goes one
06:35.59kill-9*on
06:36.04dongsyeah, thats different
06:36.05liablew4r: its banned in this channel
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06:36.16dongsthere should be other general hardware config stuff.
06:36.21streunerliable: since when? :-)
06:36.25w4roh great. liable
06:36.25kill-9how do i check?
06:36.26dongslike pcmcia controller mode, lan enable/disable, etc
06:36.30liablew4r: because people who use it are generally trolls
06:36.32dongslook at the damn screen
06:36.46w4rloveli liable
06:36.50liablestreuner: for a long time afaik
06:36.55streunernah
06:36.55kill-9all i see is pci bus
06:37.00streuner!seen unstable
06:37.01dpkgunstable <n=username@tor/session/external/x-bc21389d57e40119> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 43m 14s ago, saying: 'My repos work fine'.
06:37.02w4ri just wanna test
06:37.04liablestreuner: yes, i know unstable has a tor
06:37.07dongstoshiba has the easiest bios setup screens, and people like you still manage to fail it
06:37.15liablestreuner: he got an op to do it for hiom
06:37.16kazukihow do i format my ntfs disk from linux ?
06:37.24w4rlol but not if what you say is tru liable
06:37.30kill-9all i see is pci bus
06:37.38kill-9is it that one dongs?
06:37.40liablestreuner: ask him about it
06:37.48w4rcrazy onion router dont work
06:37.50dongsno
06:37.57dongsdoes 'pci bus' mean 'ethernet'?
06:37.58dongsthink.
06:38.03w4ri shuld  /j tor again
06:38.13w4ri wil
06:38.24w4rlate
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06:38.28dongsanyway
06:38.28dongsso
06:38.31dongsi guess you cant find it
06:38.32dongsso
06:38.34dongshit 'end' button
06:38.36dongsand reboot.
06:38.43dongsi'm done trying to explain you how to use the setup screen
06:39.18liablestreuner: i asked him about it the other day when i saw his hostmask :)
06:39.19kill-9=(
06:39.33dongs<justie> i did something stupid
06:39.33dongs<justie> chmod -x chmod
06:39.33dongs<justie> anyone knows how to fix it?
06:39.44liablehaha
06:39.55streunerhehe
06:40.26simonrvnhehe
06:41.11simonrvnre-install um, is it coreutils now, or something else?
06:41.17simonrvn!+find bin/chmod
06:41.18dpkgUpdating debian files... please wait.
06:41.29dpkgDebian Search of 'bin/chmod' (4 of 5): (/bin/chmod) in utils/coreutils ;; (/usr/bin/chmoddic) in utils/canna ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/bin/chmod) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/bin/chmod) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard.
06:41.57streunersimonrvn: well, maybe apt-get --reinstall install package have problems too, not sure...
06:42.10dongswell iw as thinking he could just compile something like int main() { chmod("chmod", 0755); }; and get it done, but i just pasted the quote for lols
06:42.11liablehrm, is there any other way you could fix that i wonder..
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06:42.39simonrvnno, they're already set, the perms
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06:43.02streunerluck then :-)
06:43.22kazukihow can i format a second hd from linux and make it ext3 ?
06:43.33liablekazuki: cfdisk
06:43.47streunerman mkfs
06:44.00kazukidoes cfdisk do sata drives ?
06:44.14liablekazuki: sure
06:44.18simonrvnany additional perms that aren't in the package as-is *are* fucked though
06:44.30kazukimy sda drive is not showing up in it
06:44.32simonrvn...perm setting
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06:45.00kazukinvm got it
06:46.27liablehehe, what the hell would make you do that anyway? the mind boggles :)
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06:47.11simonrvngood fucking question. wth are you in /bin anyway?
06:47.41kazukifor a drive that just gona be fore storage should i make it a primary or logical ?
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06:48.14tonsofpcskazuki: you make drives?
06:48.27liablekazuki: if only one partition, primary
06:48.50liablemaking it secondary would be silly
06:49.05kazukiwell now that i think about it i forgot its split in two on the other partition its running linux
06:49.39kazukiso i prob wanna go with logical right ?
06:49.56kill-9ok finally got my shit running
06:49.58kill-9ethernetcard,
06:50.02liabledoesnt really matter, if theres a spare primary spot use it i guess.
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06:51.25kazukigah and what type should i choose i wanted ext3 but its not listed unless its called something else
06:51.42valdynkazuki: linux
06:51.43streunerext2
06:51.56streuner!ext2->ext3
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06:52.18liablekazuki: cfdisk doesnt do the fs, label it as linux
06:52.22streunerdpkg, hi
06:52.23dpkgprivet, streuner
06:52.26streunerhm
06:52.30kazukii see extended but not linux
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06:52.42valdynkazuki: the number is 83 iirc
06:52.50GeorgeS069what is that nice partion setup program in the installer called?
06:52.53kazukithanks
06:53.05streunerGeorgeS069: cfdisk
06:53.10SerajewelKS!;-)
06:53.11dpkgquit winking at me dude, I don't play that gay shit!
06:53.43liablehah
06:53.44GeorgeS069lol...that's not the graphical one from the installer
06:53.51liablepartman
06:53.59GeorgeS069yeah...that's it
06:54.02liablenot available outside the installer afaik
06:54.16SerajewelKSGeorgeS069: apt-get install gparted
06:54.20streunero_O, seems to me that someone should be download new netinstaller..
06:54.55liablestreuner: even the etch one still uses partman .. i think..
06:55.51streunersure, i usually install over woody-installer or sarge-installer
06:56.14GeorgeS069I found parted but,no gparted in my sources
06:56.35SerajewelKSGeorgeS069: using stable?
06:56.38GeorgeS069yup
06:56.48SerajewelKSGeorgeS069: yeah it's only in testing/unstable
06:56.56GeorgeS069backports?
06:57.14SerajewelKSGeorgeS069: maybe, could always try a simple sid backport
06:57.50GeorgeS069maybe tommorow...my brain is fried...too much postfix in one day:)
07:00.50exobyteI'm installing debian over a serial terminal.  What term type does it expect by default?
07:01.03simonrvnbterm
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07:01.38simonrvntype, dunno. but that's the TERM setting
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07:02.03simonrvnit's vaguely vt100
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07:04.25exobytesimonrvn: I wonder if debian's even coming up or it pxelinux is
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07:06.37himmelstrutsen_hi. I get this when I try to start amsn: Application initialization failed: this isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black" --- does anyone have a solution to this problem?
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07:07.25simonrvno_O
07:07.32VasisthaGeorgeS069: you know... just use parted.  Sit down and figure out exactly what you want it to look like, put it in a spreadsheet, get it all worked out, and do it by text.  You don't have to do this very frequently, and the CLI is pretty simple to figure out...
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07:10.50rohanwhen i tried to preview a .mpeg i am grabbing from apollon, it gave the message "Please install the KDE multimedia-video package to enable the media player." ... what package does tht happen to be ?
07:12.38simonrvnum
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07:14.41valdynrohan: 'kdemultimedia' ?
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07:15.14GeorgeS069Vasistha : I can use it...just liked the one in the installer and wondered what it was called:)
07:15.22rohanthat would bring _LOTS_ of stuff in .. is there a specific video player that integrates with apollon, valdyn ?
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07:16.17valdynrohan: no idea, whats 'lot's' ? playing movies does depends on lots of packages in any case
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07:17.18rohanvaldyn: ok, ty :)
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07:26.16JeffHwhere's a good online port scanner?
07:27.54cyzieJeffH, whois , nmapfe ?
07:28.30JeffH?  I just installed a new router and I want to see what the outside world sees.
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07:29.37cyzienmap is the tool
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07:30.00kreg_workcan anyone help me with the command line tftp?  i'm trying to confirm if a tftp server even exsists at 12.160.230.38
07:30.03JeffHcyzie: I can't use nmap because I'm internal.
07:32.51cahootJeffH: https://www.grc.com/ - can't say if it's good or not but it scans
07:33.17GeorgeS069goodnight folks
07:33.41Eulexkreg_work, telnet 12.160.230.38 21 -- if there's an ftp server running on that port on that host, it will answer with some info about itself
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07:34.12kreg_workEulex, tftp
07:34.34kreg_workthis company keeps insisting that there is a tftp server there, yet i can't confirm it.
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07:34.52Eulexkreg_work, oh, tftp is not the same as normal ftp?
07:35.02kreg_workdifferent port
07:35.07kreg_worknot even sure if it's tcp
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07:35.22kreg_workheh heh
07:35.32kreg_worknah tftp is pretty common when you deal with hardware configs.
07:36.04kreg_worklike voip phones asking for an updated config.  it's like a behind the scenes ftp for hardware
07:36.05kreg_workcable modems use it pretty common too
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07:37.03Eulexoh, ok
07:37.07iKernelYou guys think java is slow? Think again. It's the java_vm that's slow. A 500Mhz dualcore 128 bit java cpu will work at 6 gigaflops.
07:37.31rohaniKernel: where did you paste that from ? :D
07:37.31kreg_workjava is slow
07:37.46iKernelrohan, Those are my own words.
07:37.56iKernelRead this: http://www.eet.com/story/OEG19990730S0026
07:38.08kreg_workthat's like saying c++ is slow because you have to compile it
07:38.08EulexiKernel, well, anything is fast if you run it on a machine that's specifically made for it, right?
07:38.22rohanexactly, kreg_work
07:38.35kreg_workheh heh
07:38.55Eulexkreg_work, hmm, according to wikipedia, tftp uses udp port 69
07:39.09iKernelkreg_work, java apps are compiled and the java_vm executes them.
07:39.25Eulexkreg_work, I guess you could query the port with netcat
07:39.28kreg_workdang that is weird to me.  tftp usually deals with config files, and to transfer them via udp seems strange
07:39.30iKernelEulex, x86 instruction sets look like shit compared to java bytecode
07:39.52kreg_workjava bytes become x86 instructions
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07:40.13iKernelah - well, whatever they are
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07:40.31kreg_workiKernel, why the sudden fuss about java anyhow?
07:40.38kreg_worksomeone telling you it's crap?
07:40.42kreg_work(i like java)
07:41.33rohanyea .. why did you blaze in and say "all you java haters .. take this .. and that" ;)
07:42.44exobyteis there a known issue with hpa-tftpd and the nobody group
07:42.58iKernelkreg_work, I'm intruiged by the idea of Java CPUs and read a story that's making me wait for these java cpus to come out. Good enough?
07:43.03rohanexistx: check the bts ?
07:43.18Supaplexexobyte: like what KIND OF issue?
07:43.21kreg_workhmm that is interesting
07:43.39kreg_workkinda seems backwards to the java philosophy
07:43.53kreg_workjava was supposed to be the "we can work on any platform" thing.
07:44.03kreg_workinstead of "buy a java cpu to run java"
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07:44.10SupaplexI'm sure someone somewhere somehow has encountered some issue with hpa-tftpd and the nobody group...
07:44.18kreg_worki'm not too sure abouthte idea of a fully OO coded OS
07:45.13exobyteSupaplex:  yup, but there weren't any good answers
07:45.18iKernelkreg_work, what's OO? object orientated?
07:45.35Supaplexexobyte: I blame poor questions :)
07:45.38Supaplex!don't work
07:45.39dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
07:45.46Supaplexor whatever it's your after...
07:45.56kreg_workiKernel, ya
07:46.07iKernelwell, I don't care :)
07:46.31iKernelall I know that executed a program natively is better than running it in a vm
07:46.50kreg_worki guess there's nothing wrong with it.  i wouldnt know.  i'm not a programmer.   i just only know of a certain kernel written in C
07:46.55kreg_work(non OO)
07:47.08kreg_workand there isn't a single thing about java that isn't OO
07:47.09iKernelwhat about ntoskrnl.exe?
07:47.17kreg_workheh heh i don't really know
07:47.28kreg_workisn't that some proprietary kerenl by a company in washington?
07:47.36iKernelredmond
07:47.39kreg_workcan't remember, mustnot be a big company
07:47.49Eulexhahaha
07:47.58kreg_work>; )
07:48.35rohaniKernel: plz tell me you were not serious
07:48.37kreg_worki studied java for a couple years
07:48.44exobyteSupaplex: yeah.. this is really sucking.....
07:48.45kreg_workc++ before that for about a year
07:48.46rohaniKernel: check the date of that article :P
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07:49.01kreg_worki've never had a knack for programming, but learning OO was an eye opener
07:49.03kreg_worktrying to learn perl now
07:49.27kreg_workmostly to use as a swiss army knife for moving text around
07:52.08exobyteSupaplex: I think I should avoid IRC when I'm tired
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07:59.12Rebeccahey peoples. im trying to hunt down processes that frequently write to disk on my debian system. is it possible to easily identify which processes do this and watch writes in realtime possibly?
07:59.56liableRebecca: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump
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08:00.09liablethen dmesg
08:01.46Rebeccaill try that :)
08:03.57nayyareswhat is meant by " CLOCK_REALTIME has a higher resolution than gettimeofday()" ?
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08:06.23Rebeccais it possible to tweak kjournald to write much less freqently? it seems to be the culprit here
08:06.53liablemount with noatime option, man mount :)
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08:08.52Rebeccaliable: this is for the root fs, so i should just specify that in fstab?
08:09.03liableyup
08:09.16Rebeccacool bananas :D
08:09.41Rebeccamy system is running off CF so i can't have things writting too frequently :)
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08:12.52valdynRebecca: laptop mode supports this
08:13.14Rebeccavaldyn: is that a mount option?
08:14.03valdynRebecca: that is not a mount option, that is /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode
08:14.21valdynRebecca: but you  can use laptop-mode-tools package or powersaved too to use it
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08:14.54Rebeccavaldyn: cool. thanks, ill investigate it :D
08:15.03Rebeccavaldyn: have you setup a similar system?
08:15.04pingouin!dpkg
08:15.14pingouin!oftc move
08:15.25valdynRebecca: no, i used this feature to keep my disk spinned down on my notebook
08:15.33Rebeccaahhhhh
08:15.35Rebeccacool :)
08:16.01pingouin!tell pingouin oftc move
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08:16.21pingouin!tell pingouin dpkg
08:16.36valdynRebecca: its not directly related to a journal at all, it will just reduce flusing writes to disk
08:16.38pingouin!tell pingouin oftc
08:16.41valdynRebecca: its not directly related to a journal at all, it will just reduce flushing writes to disk
08:16.44pingouin!tell pingouin move
08:16.52valdynRebecca: which is what you want i suppose
08:17.38Rebeccavaldyn: yeah. sounds good, im looking at it now :)
08:17.44liable!tell pinguon about oftc move
08:18.20pingouinwhy this fucking bot never answer to me with /msg blabhblah ?!!
08:18.31valdyn!register
08:18.31dpkgit has been said that register is '/msg nickserv help'
08:18.37valdynpingouin: go register
08:19.13Rebeccavaldyn: cool. looks like it enabled laptop mode when i installed it.. too simple :)
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08:19.39valdynRebecca: yea it does that
08:19.51pingouinregistered or not...it's the same
08:20.06pingouinnew window open with what i ast to dpkg inside
08:20.13pingouinbut no answer....
08:20.17pingouinstupid bot...
08:20.28Coweaterwhat are you asking?
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08:20.43pingouini do what is written in the topic
08:20.48valdynpingouin: you're asking about things that dpkg doesnt know the answer for
08:20.55Eulex!stupid bot
08:20.55dpkgno, stupid eulex
08:21.05valdyn!oftc move
08:21.05dpkgoftc move is probably irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html
08:21.10pingouinvaldyn: i dont ask about God and live i swear
08:21.29liablepingouin: have you siabled private message or something in your client?
08:21.47pingouinliable: do you really think i'm as stupid as that ? ;)
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08:22.05liablepingouin: possibly? :P
08:22.19pingouin:)
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08:23.27pingouin!stupid bot
08:23.57liablepingouin: dpkg may have ignored you for a while
08:24.17pingouini give up
08:24.29pingouintell it, it can go to  hell
08:24.49pingouini hope someone will unplug it
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08:25.13pingouinmaybe it's racism..i'm black...
08:25.42pingouinand it was coded to not answer colored people
08:25.53liable...
08:26.37azeempingouin: dpkg only reacts on keywords it knows
08:27.46pingouin!oftc move
08:28.08Arbiter!oftc move
08:28.08dpkgfrom memory, oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html
08:28.13pingouin!oftc move
08:28.14ArbiterGH!
08:28.21Arbiter!oftc move
08:28.21dpkgoftc move is probably irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html
08:28.23foobareddpkg: stupid bot
08:28.24ArbiterLOL
08:28.24dpkgno, stupid foobared
08:28.29foobared:)
08:28.35azeempingouin: you are apperently removed from dpkg usage due to abuse
08:28.57pingouinme ?! abuse a bot ?!oohh ggeeee
08:29.15pingouinmy sexual live's so poor to abuse a bot ?!
08:29.23Arbitero_0
08:29.26azeemand this discussion is off topic here, I asked its maintainer about it
08:29.40azeempingouin: now stop this bot stuff, please
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08:33.10streuner/dev/dsp is OSS or OSS-emulation
08:33.12streuner...
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08:33.31streunerif you using ALSA you need the OSS-emulation module loaded
08:33.54Arbiterwhich module?
08:34.14Arbiterehm...
08:34.19Arbiterwhat's the module name? ^^
08:34.35Rebeccavaldyn: thanks. i had to change a few setting in the laptoptools conf and reboot. but it did exactly what i wanted :D
08:35.35streunermodinfo snd-pcm-oss
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08:35.51philpemI'm trying to do an apt-get upgrade on sarge, and I'm getting libgnutls11 and libgnutls11-dev held back -- same thing happens with a dist-upgrade. how can i find out what's causing these packages to be held back?
08:36.31Arbiterstreuner: thanks a lot :D
08:36.45azeemphilpem: apt-get install them directly and see what happens
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08:37.05streunerphilpem: or use the *simulate* function of apt-get
08:37.40philpemstreuner: that would be "apt-get -s", right?
08:38.43streuner-s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act, No  action;  perform a simulation of events that would occur but do  not  actually  change  the   system.
08:38.46liablepingouin: do you have security in sources?
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08:40.28Arbiterstreuner: ehm..
08:40.31Arbiter/dev/dsp: Input/output error
08:40.31ArbiterCould not mmap /dev/dsp
08:40.42Arbitersigh
08:41.15streunerWhat command did you use?
08:41.57Arbiteri did: modprobe snd-pcm-oss then i launched a videogame (enemy territory - based on the quake3 engine)
08:42.06philpemah, sorted - it was trying to install gnutls11 from unstable. just removed unstable from apt/sources.list and now it's getting through an a-g upgrade OK.
08:42.39azeemphilpem: don't keep unstable in your sources.list when you want to run testing!
08:42.48azeemor at least, keep it pinned low
08:42.57philpemok, i've just outright removed it
08:43.21philpemwhat i want to do is run stable, but pull clamav and its dependencies in from testing - can i do that, or would i be better off upgrading to testing?
08:43.57streunerArbiter: what happens if you just use OSS itself?
08:44.19Arbiterwait a sec
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08:46.22azeemphilpem: look for backports
08:46.26azeemwww.backports.org
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08:47.09philpemazeem: unfortunately the machine i want to do it on is a really odd architecture
08:47.22philpemit's a linksys nslu2, running debian-armeb (an unofficial port).
08:48.45valdynphilpem: backport it yourself
08:49.09Arbiterstreuner:
08:49.21philpemvaldyn: i might just do that...
08:49.25Arbitersolved with modprobe ac97_codec (pure OSS driver)
08:49.26azeemphilpem: then take the source package off backports.org and recompile it
08:49.27Arbiter:)
08:49.40azeemphilpem: they might even have an arm autobuilder, dunno
08:49.48philpemit's just a pain to keep it up to date - clamav seem to make a new release roughly once a fortnight :-/
08:50.04liablephilpem: debian.volitile has clamav
08:50.20liable!volatile
08:50.20dpkgwell, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/
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08:55.15dpkgpong
08:56.18unix_infidel!pong
08:56.19dpkgrumour has it, pong is the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game
08:56.37unix_infidel/whois pong
08:57.05unix_infidel:P
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09:22.06iKernelerm, hi.
09:22.09Maulkin:)
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09:34.13bluntedif i use fluxbox and dont want gnome any more
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09:34.19bluntedwhat do i apt-get remove
09:34.22bluntedmetacity?
09:34.37azeemblunted: metacity is just the window manager
09:35.04azeemblunted: you can run aptitude, sort by section and remove anything you don't want to keep from the `gnome' section
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09:37.40bluntedis there some way to see what files take up the most space
09:38.22Rebeccablunted: in a graphical manner?
09:38.44bluntedyeah i guess
09:38.56Johnny_5hmm....when trying to play xmms i get an error....it was working just fine and all of a sudden after i apt-get updated and apt-get upgraded my sound has been screwy
09:38.58Rebeccai find "du -h --max-depth=1"
09:39.01Rebeccahandy*
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09:39.27Rebeccabut it's not graphical :)
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09:40.07bluntedhey this will work
09:40.24Rebeccakonqurer has a funky graphical space usage display mode
09:40.41Rebeccakonqueror*
09:41.03Halitherseshow do you enable it rebecca?
09:41.06Johnny_5also i get no sound for gaim anymore
09:41.17bluntedHalitherses, its under like View or something
09:41.19bluntedon the top menu
09:41.29bluntedwhere file and all that mumbo is
09:41.34Johnny_5my cdplayer has sound and so does totem
09:41.37Halithersescheck your mixer settings johnny
09:41.41Johnny_5k
09:41.42RebeccaHalitherses: in my konq, it's a view mode button.. lol. no idea how to install it or what it's called
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09:43.56Halithersesi have konq 3.5.1 and i dont have it in my view menu
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09:44.26bluntedhm try right clicking on the main space where all the files are listed and look there
09:45.16RebeccaHalitherses: open a directory and you should see a 'view' menu. click on that then 'view mode' then 'file size view'
09:46.29Halithersesno you just right click on the directory and select properties
09:46.49bluntedthat works too
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09:47.03Johnny_5Halitherses: i don't think that's the prob
09:47.08chellhello
09:47.16bluntedJohnny_5,
09:47.52bluntedgoto prefs and then Audio I/O plugins
09:47.56HalithersesJohnny_5, It was for me when i did and upgrade pcm does not controlvolume now i have sb live!
09:48.17bluntedmake sure you have the right output plugin selected
09:48.38edrincan a SOAP server inform a client about news? in example via callback mechanisms?
09:48.41Johnny_5how would my settings automatically change?
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09:49.17Johnny_5i get an error meesage sayiny to check if the soundcard isn't tied up
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09:50.06Johnny_5Halitherses: sb live?
09:50.10HalithersesJohnny_5, It would have changed because you upgraded.
09:50.30Halithersessoundblaster live! its a sound card
09:50.31Johnny_5ahh....
09:50.35Johnny_5oh
09:50.36Johnny_5heh
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09:52.53HalithersesJohnny_5, in your mixer turn up sigmatel surround
09:53.26HalithersesJohnny_5, did that help?
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09:54.45Rebeccasorry that the question is kind of off the debian topic :)
09:55.18Johnny_5Halitherses: where would that be located
09:55.20Johnny_5?
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09:58.03bluntedif i put a new hd in
09:58.16bluntedwill it auto detect or will i have to do some crap to get it to mount on boot?
09:58.56lambyblunted: you will have to format to a linux filesystem first
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09:59.32bluntedit already is
10:00.16lambyokay.. you do need some 'crap' in /etc/fstab then :)
10:00.33Johnny_5http://pastebin.com/714549
10:00.40bluntedugh
10:00.56bluntedfstab is a pain in the ass from what i remember
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10:07.51simonrvnnot really
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10:09.06Johnny_5Halitherses: so i take it my best solution would be to get a soundblaster live card
10:10.49bluntedno
10:10.53bluntedsb live cards suck
10:10.54bluntedi have one
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10:14.20Johnny_5i guess i'll work on it some more later when i'm not so frustrated with it
10:14.27Mitjathe pressure
10:14.28Mitjaheadmonkey it was a really wierd place
10:14.28MitjaWhich program lets you add repositories in console?
10:14.30Mitjaooops
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10:15.38cdsAnyone know why I don't get video playback in realplay?
10:15.39cdsI get sound only.
10:16.18Johnny_5well i think i'm gonna go watch some anime
10:17.04bluntedcds, maybe you dont have the right codecs?
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10:18.46cdsblunted: Ah, it's possible.
10:18.52cdsblunted: Any ideas where I get them from?
10:19.51bluntedall i can suggest is google for them
10:20.00cdsHm, ok.p Thanks.
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10:23.27cdsblunted: Hm, I can only see codecs to play rm files outside of realplay.
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10:32.45liabledoh
10:32.51liable!qotd0
10:32.51dpkgqotd160 is, like, <mhall> sanmarcos: i'm beginning to wonder about the size of the clue-free zone in which you live <sanmarcos> mhall: huh? <sanmarcos> clue-free ? <sanmarcos> i.e "have no clue"
10:32.57cdsGot it.
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10:41.59chellHow can I test - from the command line - if alsaconfig worked?
10:42.18stewchell: see if alsamixer works
10:42.24chellit does
10:42.35chellso I can assume that my sound card has been setup correctly?
10:42.40bluntedchell, yep
10:43.16chellSo if I install let's say KDE now, the sound will just work?
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10:46.07menko_chell: you can try to play a wav file with play, or aplay
10:46.23chellI'm gonna install the xorg and kde now
10:46.32chellI just hope sound will work
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11:24.25USmarinemy lock session buttons dont work...
11:24.33amphihas anyone else seen wavemon regularly hang after running for several hours (sarge)? also it seems to display the channel number as frequency
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11:31.08fl0wquick and simple question, I can change the owner of a file/directory using chown, but how do I simply show who the owner is?
11:31.26abrotmanls -l
11:31.50fl0wah, thanks :)
11:32.05fl0wI'd give you a kiss, but you're probably not a girl.
11:32.17abrotmanbeer is good
11:32.23abrotman!grounding
11:32.24dpkgBefore asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client)
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11:33.00fl0w!unix lessons
11:33.00dpkgi guess unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be
11:34.06fl0w!newbiedoc
11:34.06dpkgsomebody said newbiedoc was http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net, newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :)
11:34.20abrotman!msg the bot
11:34.21dpkgplease message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood.  Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>".
11:34.39fl0wabrotman, you're full of surprises, aren't you.
11:34.57fl0wnewbiedoc has a new URL btw, http://newbiedoc.berlios.de
11:34.59abrotmandon't tell anyone
11:35.52abrotman!newbiedoc =~ s#http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net,#http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- #
11:35.53dpkgOK, abrotman
11:36.06fl0wmessed up command.
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11:36.23abrotmanit's a bot :)
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11:37.27fl0w(?) well .. duh
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11:37.53fl0woh, you mean, "it's a bot, hence messed up" ? ..
11:38.23nerophibiadoes anyboby use FAI for deployment ?
11:38.37abrotmanfl0w: the commands to chnage factoids are weird
11:38.55abrotmannerophibia: many people have ..
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11:39.08nerophibiaI have some probleme with GRUB script
11:39.55nerophibiacluster node successfully boot and install, but the post-installation script does not install properly GRUB on the MBR
11:40.21abrotmananything special about the drive setup?
11:40.34nerophibianothing
11:40.35abrotmangrub doesnt install ... or doesn't work?
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11:41.11nerophibiafailed to go in step 2
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11:43.00ram_einsteinI don't know why my sources.list for stable doesn't work. Please have a look: http://pastebin.com/714651
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11:44.09ram_einsteinI'm only trying to apt-get update and that fails
11:44.22ram_einsteinfurther, I'm unable to fetch vlc or mplayer because of this issue
11:44.38ram_einsteinI'm unable to add other repositories, because they just don't seem to work
11:45.20abrotmanram_einstein: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say
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11:45.21vodkaabsoluthi all
11:45.46ram_einsteinii  libc6          2.3.6-13       GNU C Library: Shared libraries
11:46.02abrotmanram_einstein: that's not for sarge
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11:46.06ram_einsteinit's desired and installed at version 2.3.6
11:46.07liable_thats etch
11:46.23ram_einsteinliable_ && abrotman: So I need a different one for sarge?
11:46.30abrotmanso why you're using sarge sources on an etch box .. i have no idea
11:46.33ram_einsteinI mean a different version installed in as well?
11:46.35abrotman!info libc6 etch
11:46.43dpkglibc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4616 kB, Installed size: 11164 kB
11:46.44liable_theres no going back now! :)
11:46.46ram_einsteinabrotman: I'm trying to get mplayer or vlc
11:47.00ram_einstein!info libc6 sarge
11:47.01abrotmanvlc isn't in etch .. you get mplayer from
11:47.04dpkglibc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4798 kB, Installed size: 15368 kB
11:47.09abrotman!tell ram_einstein about marillat
11:47.30ram_einsteinabrotman: marillat doesn't work btw. I'll show you the output presently
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11:53.05ram_einsteinokay, just one error I have with my debian security repo:
11:53.06ram_einsteinW: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E
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11:53.21ram_einsteinwhat should I do?
11:53.51Coweaterread the topic
11:53.57ram_einsteinabrotman: so if I want vlc, I should compile it by hand?
11:54.21abrotmanram_einstein: you need to learn how to use apt-key .. secondly .. those updates are no longer at that URL
11:54.23ram_einsteinCoweater: ok
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11:54.49ram_einsteinabrotman: then what should I be using for debian secutiry?
11:54.55ram_einsteinor should I be using one at all?
11:54.57Coweater!tell ram_einstein -about testing security
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11:55.14abrotmanram_einstein: /msg dpkg testing security
11:55.21dongstest security: connect to internet w/ root password as 'admin'
11:55.25abrotmanram_einstein: and you're not using sarge anymore
11:55.32ram_einsteinCoweater && abrotman: Thanks
11:55.36ram_einsteinabrotman: okay :)
11:55.50ram_einsteincan I add contrib and nonfree to my etch repo url?
11:55.56abrotmanram_einstein: so change the "sarge" in your sources to "etch"
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11:57.43ram_einsteinabrotman: OMG, I did that already. I'm not that slow
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11:57.59abrotmanthe sources you showed me had sarge
11:58.01bluntedI put a new hd in this box and i wanna know how to be able to use it
11:58.05ram_einsteinokay, this security repo is fine now
11:58.17ram_einsteinabrotman: yes, I didn't know that I didn't have a sarge libc
11:58.27DerJamsterram_einstein: marillat looks okay to me, btw.
11:58.28ram_einsteinI thought both versions were compatible
11:58.35ram_einsteinDerJamster: yes
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11:58.57ram_einsteinso I _have_ to compile vlc by hand if I want it, right?
11:59.07ram_einsteinI don't mind really
11:59.10Coweateranother repo may have it
11:59.13ram_einsteinbut it's the trouble
11:59.19ram_einsteinCoweater: any suggestions?
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11:59.24Coweatergoogle
11:59.41ram_einsteinI mean I'm not on Gentoo anymore, so compiling by hand makes no sense
11:59.47ram_einsteinCoweater: okay, I'll check
12:00.03DerJamsterram_einstein: check www.apt-get.org
12:00.14ram_einsteinDerJamster: thanks!
12:00.39DerJamsterram_einstein: btw..vlc is in the normal repos
12:00.44DerJamsterwhy compile?
12:00.54ram_einsteinDerJamster: it isn't in etch
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12:01.06ram_einstein!tell DerJamster why vlc isn't in etch
12:01.19ram_einstein!tell DerJamster why vlc isn't in testing
12:01.26abrotmanram_einstein: stop
12:01.30ram_einsteindamn, I'm no good
12:01.43ram_einsteinabrotman: no harm, I don't know how to operate the bot
12:01.55_edwin_hi, there is no libc6-xen on amd64, will xen work?
12:01.59abrotmanyeah .. but you're harassing DerJamster
12:02.05abrotman!why is vlc not in testing
12:02.05dpkgvlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc
12:02.32bluntedcan someone tell me how to mount/use the hard drive i just put in here
12:02.37ram_einsteinomg, "why vlc is not in testing" and "why is vlc not in testing" ??
12:02.51ram_einsteinblunted: man mount
12:03.01ram_einsteinmount <device> <directory>
12:03.03DerJamsterah. so a couple of days, and it'll be in there, if you're lucky.
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12:03.04ram_einsteinsimple as that
12:03.07liableblunted: cfdisk and set it to linux (83) put a fs on it, and add it to fstab
12:03.15bluntedit already has linux on it
12:03.21ram_einsteinDerJamster: hopefully :)
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12:03.36tarzeauapt popcon
12:03.38aptpopcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
12:03.57ram_einsteinwhat the hell is that?
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12:06.00ram_einsteinI don't want a broken etch. Should I get 3rd party repositories or am I just paranoid?
12:06.06cdsAnyone know why I'd get squares instead of text in audacity?
12:06.32abrotmanunicode
12:06.43abrotmanram_einstein: for what?
12:06.48cdsHow do I fix it?
12:06.50Bazyram_einstein I think etch works great with only main and non-free...
12:07.17abrotmancds: generate new locales .. dpkg-reconfigure locales .. something UTF8-ish might help
12:07.24cdsThanks. :)
12:08.15cdsabrotman: I have en_GB ISO-8859-1  checked - surely that's fine?
12:08.22ram_einsteinBazy: ok
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12:08.25ram_einsteinabrotman: vlc!
12:08.43abrotmanjust freaking wait
12:08.54abrotmancds: that's not UTF
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12:11.02cdsabrotman: That didn't do it.
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12:11.19abrotmancds: what did you choose for a default?
12:11.23bluntedwhat should i name it
12:11.29bluntedthe new drive i mean
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12:11.46cdsabrotman: UTF.
12:11.52cdsen_GB.UTF-8
12:11.59cdsabrotman: Fonts work in every other app, though.
12:12.00abrotmanand you restarted all the apps?
12:12.01bluntedif i name it /var/music and i already have a /var/music will that be bad?
12:12.13abrotmancds: it's possible audacity isn't UTF78-sane
12:12.28ram_einsteinmy terminfo issue hasn't been solved yet :(  From the linux console, all ncurses apps' display is broken and manpages don't contain junk characters. It doesn't happen with jfbterm
12:12.54cdsabrotman: Restarted xterm and amaroK, both are fine.
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12:13.23ram_einsteinand in the Linux console, using the framebuffer device, fbi only displays exactly half of each image
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12:13.56ram_einsteinI'm sure my VGA video parameters to the kernel are fine
12:14.12abrotmanhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298548 cds
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12:16.03cdsabrotman: Aha, thanks.
12:16.12abrotmancds: so you're not crazy!
12:16.16oboyhi, is it possible to search for installed apps with apt?
12:16.18cdsabrotman: Is there a way to make it not use UTF8?
12:16.22cdsabrotman: hehe
12:16.39abrotmancds: eh .. stop typing unicode characters ?
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12:16.45ram_einsteinoboy: dpkg -l <app>. Look at the status to see if it's installed
12:16.47cdsabrotman: It's in all characters :/
12:16.47abrotmanoboy: dpkg -l
12:16.52ram_einsteinor grep ^ii
12:17.03ram_einsteinif you want to search within installed apps
12:17.11oboyok thx
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12:19.31bvsgamin must be the biggest pile of shit ever
12:20.01abrotmanhave you tried kde?
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12:20.18blondielol
12:20.50bvsabrotman, hard to tell isn't it? :)
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12:23.52ram_einsteinwhile viewing manpages on X from rxvt-unicode or directly from the linux console, I get a few junk characters in each. It doesn't happen with xterm or even jfbterm. Any ideas?
12:23.54bvsi like how gamin sits there hogging 15% cpu and flooding my .xsession-errors the instant i start my first program :)
12:24.07killownas I do to use kazaa in linux?
12:24.22ram_einsteinbvs: what's gamin?
12:24.28abrotmankillown: gtk-gnutella
12:24.53killownabrotman gtk-gnutella no conect in network kazaa
12:25.12bvsram_einstein, file alteration monitor
12:25.18killownnetwork bearshare and limiware
12:25.35ram_einsteinbvs: okay. It isn't in etch
12:25.37abrotmanso what? .. you can still pirate stuff
12:25.41ram_einstein!info gamin
12:25.44dpkggamin: (File and directory monitoring system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1.7-3 (sid), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 184 kB
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12:26.25ram_einsteinis there any CLI p2p?
12:26.53abrotmanyes
12:26.59ram_einsteinabrotman: what?
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12:27.05abrotmani don't think any are left in debian .. but there used to be gnut
12:27.14ram_einstein:(
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12:27.53bluntedhey gtk-gnutella rocks
12:28.11ram_einsteinit must a stupid gtk gui I don't like
12:28.20abrotmanso write a Motif one
12:28.23bluntedYEAH
12:28.28frodo_Good morning everyone
12:28.30bluntedi dont know the diffrence
12:28.33ram_einsteinI'm not good enough
12:28.33bluntedso it dont matter to me
12:28.41abrotmanram_einstein: quit whining
12:28.43bluntedwtf is "motif" even
12:28.57abrotmanram_einstein: if you're not going to write a Qt one .. just shut up and use it :)
12:29.00ram_einsteinI've been looking hard for a CLI browser with an excellent interface
12:29.12ram_einsteinabrotman: hehe
12:29.13bluntedrun limewire in wine
12:29.18bluntedsee how that looks
12:29.25ram_einsteinblunted: no thanks
12:29.28blunted:P
12:29.29bluntedok
12:29.31bluntedanyways
12:29.40bluntedhow do i add /storage to fstab
12:29.42abrotmanram_einstein: but Wx is ok?
12:29.46ram_einsteinI don't use nonfree software
12:29.51ram_einsteinabrotman: no!
12:29.55abrotmanhow is GTk nonfree software?
12:29.59ram_einsteingtk is tolerable
12:30.03bluntedits the hd that i added to this box
12:30.06abrotmanram_einstein: vlc is written in Wx .. you wanted to install that
12:30.08ram_einsteinabrotman: it isn't, limewire it
12:30.10bluntedi got it all mounted to /storage and stuff
12:30.18ram_einsteinabrotman: oh no...
12:30.23abrotmanoh no?
12:30.26bluntedbut some dude said something about fstab
12:30.31abrotmanGTK is free .. and vlc is done in Wx
12:30.34bluntedi know cause i remember words like stab
12:30.41abrotmanblunted: do you know the new device?
12:30.49bluntedwhat do you mean do i know it?
12:30.52abrotmanblunted: like ... /dev/hdd or something?
12:30.53ram_einsteinabrotman: and WxWidgets isn't free?
12:31.03abrotmanram_einstein: i didn't say that .. but GTK is free
12:31.08blunted/storage or /dev/hdb
12:31.11bluntedsomething like that
12:31.19abrotmanijust don't see why Qt and GTK are bad .. but Wx is ok
12:31.25ram_einsteinabrotman: I know that
12:31.31ram_einsteinlimewire is nonfree
12:31.35abrotmanblunted: this is important
12:31.40ram_einsteinlast time I saw vlc, it didn't have a gui
12:31.41bluntedyeah i can look hold up
12:32.00abrotmanram_einstein: so you didn't watch movies on it?
12:32.35ram_einsteinabrotman: I did, I said I don'd like guis
12:32.42abrotmanuh .. whatever
12:32.51bluntedits /dev/hdb
12:32.58azeemram_einstein: we got it now, thanks
12:33.04abrotmanblunted: so it's /dev/hdb1 ?
12:33.11ram_einsteinazeem: lol
12:33.13abrotmanblunted: have you even formatted it yet?
12:33.13bluntedyeah
12:33.18abrotmanas what?
12:33.23bluntedext2
12:33.24blunteder
12:33.25blunted3
12:33.29abrotmaner 4?
12:33.37bluntedExtended 3
12:33.38ram_einsteinit don't matter
12:33.43ram_einsteinit's the same thing
12:33.49ram_einsteinext3 = ext2 + j
12:33.49abrotman/dev/hdb1 /storage ext3 defaults 0 0
12:34.05ram_einsteinor even replace the ext3 with auto
12:34.18ram_einsteinthe kernel will auto-identify the fs and mount it
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12:34.50blunted?
12:35.01abrotmani just gave you the line for your fstab :)
12:35.04bluntedoh
12:35.15abrotmanprobably want to space it out a bit more
12:35.20ram_einsteinblunted: replace 'ext3' with 'auto' if you feel like it
12:35.29abrotmanor keep it as ext3 .. if you feel like it
12:35.33ram_einsteinI usually double-tab it
12:35.42abrotmani usually single-tab it
12:35.44blunteddo i have to tab it?
12:35.47abrotmanno ..
12:35.49ram_einsteinblunted: no
12:35.56abrotmanit just needs to be seperated by a space
12:36.00bluntedquit trying to make me work harder than i have to
12:36.02ram_einsteinas long as there are spaces, it's fine
12:36.35ram_einsteinsomeone who doesn't know how to fill an fstab complaining?
12:36.49abrotmanyou didn't know which version of debian you were on
12:36.58liabletouche
12:37.02bluntedi know which version of debian im on!
12:37.06bluntedhaha yay me
12:37.08abrotman!prize blunted
12:37.12ram_einsteinabrotman: I'm two days old on debian
12:37.13abrotmanGAH .. PONY!
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12:37.32bluntedleast i can eat it
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12:38.21artswwhere i can get artswrapper for sarge ?
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12:38.50ram_einsteinartsw: search on www.apt-get.org
12:39.15AndyMcGeeGood Morning
12:39.41abrotmanalready?
12:39.56liableyay, powers back on.
12:39.59ram_einsteinWoody is older than Sarge?
12:40.07abrotmanliable: koala jump in the tranformer?
12:40.12liableno more peddling the power cycle
12:40.12AndyMcGeeTrue
12:40.13abrotman!tell ram_einstein  about release history
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12:40.42liableabrotman: yeap, hes well done too, carving it up right now
12:40.51abrotmanhehe
12:41.22liablebrb, gotta unplug the router from the ups
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12:45.28ram_einsteinanyone here used a gnash browser plugin to render flash?
12:45.44ram_einsteinI'm on amd64 and the proritary flash is dirty
12:45.51azeemso try it out
12:46.00azeemit's probably experimental, you might need to compile it yourself
12:46.35dandersonHey all. Following the change in python packaging policy, I succeeded in breaking my setup :-)
12:46.35ram_einsteinazeem: yea, I did that too, just can't figure out where to plugin for the browser is!
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12:46.49AndyMcGeeIs there a common name for when a programm eats more and more mem without reason?
12:46.56dandersonthe root of the problem seems to be that some pre-rm scripts try to import pyversions, and don't find it
12:47.00abrotman/usr/lib/<browser>/plugins/ ?
12:47.02dandersonany idea how I can solve that?
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12:47.30AndyMcGeeOr better: Without obvious reason...
12:47.33azeemram_einstein: no idea, check the documentation or google maybe
12:47.53dandersonAndyMcGee: memory leak?
12:47.53abrotmanAndyMcGee: memory leak ?
12:47.59ram_einsteinazeem: I can't find much really
12:48.08bluntedJINX UNDER A ROOF
12:48.20artswram_einstein apt-get.org returned nothing found
12:48.24azeemram_einstein: is gnash the GNU flash thingy?
12:48.26mitjaHi! I have mice troubles: "xf860 OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice" Can anyone please help?
12:48.32ram_einsteinazeem: yes
12:48.37ram_einsteinartsw: I'm sorry then
12:48.39mitjaI'm on console, irssi, btw
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12:49.00abrotmanmodprobe mousedev
12:49.00azeemram_einstein: I heard it got adopted from another flash player developed by David Schleef.  So maybe google for that
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12:49.08bluntedblame, u gots a cool name
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12:49.14ram_einsteinazeem: good idea. Thanks
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12:49.27blameblunted, ;)
12:51.04liable_mirak: try /dev/psmouse
12:51.10liable_Mitja: ^^
12:51.36liable_Mitja: or try modprobe mousedev
12:51.52Mitjaliable_: no such file or dir
12:52.09liable_Mitja: huh? what did you just type?
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12:52.28Mitjaliable_: dir /dev/psmouse
12:52.30liable_Mitja: i meant to reconfigure x to use psaux
12:52.46Mitjapsaux?
12:53.05Mitjamodprobe tells ps/2, but not the path
12:54.10Mitjaliable_: and now it returns nothing
12:55.41liable_thats good..
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12:56.50Mitjaliable_: so do I use psmouse?
12:57.21Mitjait actually is usbmouse
12:57.26Mitjashould I use usbmouse?
12:57.47liable_!twll Mitja about usbmouse
12:58.02liable_Mitja: see the last one [5]
12:58.10liable_!tell Mitja about usbmouse
12:58.19Mitjathanks
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12:59.55dandersonokay, so, where can I go to find someone who can help me unbork the python install on my system? :)
13:00.17mirakhi
13:01.31mirakI want that my harddrive with windows is put on standby at boot, and I want to adjust the standby delay. I know how to do that in console with hdparm, but I am not sure where I must put this settings to keep them and enable them at boot
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13:03.06Mitjaliable: at first there wasn't any /dev/input/mice then I copied it from ubuntu distro. Is that ok?
13:03.23gouronhi guys, which program to use to view a dir of images as slideshow?
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13:05.13dongsgouron: windows xp fax/image viewer and click 'slideshow' button?
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13:05.45gourondongs: thks for the offer to help but I am using debain.
13:05.55dongsoh, then i duno
13:05.57gentgeen__Could someone with flash, and running Etch, please check out http://online.k12.com/login/ and let me know if the login boxes are working OK.  They are not for me
13:06.07dongslinux supports graphics display these days?
13:06.09gentgeen__been working on this font issue for 2 days now
13:06.47dongsgentgeen__: if you have an issue with flash which depends on version of linux used when viewing the page, you've got bigger problems than just having someone with debian load your page
13:06.49gourondongs: linux can be used to watch even video, iwth the right players.
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13:07.07marculixdongs: :-(
13:07.07gentgeen__gouron, check out gqview
13:07.12marculixgouron: display 'vid:*.jpg'
13:07.16marculixfor example...
13:07.25marculixcheckout imagemagick
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13:07.57ram_einsteinHow do I switch to the C locale? dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't show that as an option
13:08.00gourongentgeen__: marculix v r talking about debian packages here?
13:08.08dongsgentgeen__: the login form looks fine on Windows XP Professional, but i'm sure you don't care.
13:08.10gentgeen__dongs, thats not it.  Worked before last upgrade, last upgrade seem to mess it up... noticed that xfs-xtt was no longer installed
13:08.17Mitjaliable, thanks :) X is up
13:08.45liableMitja: oh, nice :)
13:08.59dongsthat page is wrong on so many levels, idon't know where to start complaining
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13:09.05dongsi hope oyu got paid for making that
13:09.07gentgeen__some linuxs (pl ??) distos seem fine, Mephis worked on it... Ubuntu did not.... Puppy does...  etc
13:09.11Mitjaliable, but I copied /dev/input/mice from ubuntu previously
13:09.18bluntedlol @ dongs
13:09.22gentgeen__not me, the school I work for
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13:09.46dongsi mean flash is bad, but making a whole interface based on flash + abusing it is just asking for trouble
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13:10.15liableMitja: what, in your c\xfree86 file?
13:10.20gentgeen__;-)  I know that, you know that, not so sure the powers the be know that
13:10.23liablecfree86*
13:10.26liablegah!
13:10.32liablexfree86!
13:10.53Mitjaliable, no, into /dev, because there wasn't any input/mice in there
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13:11.52liableMitja: erm, ok..
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13:14.55gentgeen__http://everythinggirl.com/registration/login.aspx has the same problem (I have a 7yr old that NEEDS to play :-)  )
13:15.25kristalinowhere are the 900 people and more in this channel ?
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13:15.31gentgeen__gouron, yes, we were talking about programs (that are in the rep)  imagemagik and gqview are both there
13:15.33bluntedi ate them
13:15.34cblacki need to ssh to a router that only asks for a password (no usernames). how can i get ssh to not use a username when i try to connect?
13:15.52dongswow i just used a random username on that site nad it logged me in
13:15.52bluntedman ssh
13:16.07gentgeen__dongs, you kidding??
13:16.11dongsno lol
13:16.14pipelinecblack: There's always a user name.  You just don't know what it is.  Perhaps "admin" or "root" or "sys" :P
13:16.42gentgeen__dongs, what is the name and picture up in the black bar?
13:16.54himmelstrutsen__I'm using OpenOffice Calc.. And all I want to do is: increase with +1 from  A1 to A1000.. So that I can I have number to associate with an object. How could I do this?
13:16.59cblackpipeline: no. there is no username. i'm consoled on to it as well.
13:17.07gourongentgeen__: thks, am checking them out. i have gimp. it seems to be able to do more tham the other two.
13:17.12vladi_heremozilla hangs when I download a file, so does firefox.(Debian etch) what can I do?
13:17.15gentgeen__I ask cause it is probably a student who does not know how to use good password/usernames
13:17.34pipelinecblack: ssh protocol requires a user name.  There's a user name.  You just don't know what it is :)
13:17.43DerJamstergentgeen__: site looks fine to me.
13:17.48gentgeen__gouron, if you JUST want slideshows, gimp would be overkill..... but gimp is great
13:18.25gourongentgeen__: u r right. that  is why i am looking for something specifically for slideshow.
13:18.34gentgeen__DerJamster, the login boxs look fine... for me the text ends up WAY to high... I can only see the VERY bottom of the letters
13:18.52gentgeen__DerJamster, are you using Etch?  What font server are you using?
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13:19.14gourongentgeen__: imagmagick descriptin does not mention it for slideshow use.
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13:19.48marculixgouron: man display, search for slideshow
13:20.06marculixor slide
13:20.15gouronmarculix: good suggestion.
13:20.21gentgeen__gouron, imagemacik does a TON of things, more then the discription will tell you
13:20.24DerJamstergentgeen__: Sid, no font server
13:20.38limpioBesides 'build essential' and 'checkinstall' what other packages do i need to install an app from source, i'm using Sarge/kernel 2.6
13:20.48gentgeen__DerJamster, just the font list in your X config?
13:20.52DerJamsteryeah
13:21.08DerJamstergsfonts/gsfonts-x11 and msttcorefonts are installed
13:21.15gentgeen__DerJamster, would you mine pasting it somewhere so I can compare
13:21.24DerJamstergentgeen__: the config? Sure, one sec.
13:21.33gentgeen__DerJamster, got both of those... but thinking I might need to rearange my order
13:21.43gentgeen__DerJamster, ya, just the font section :-)
13:22.17bvslimpio, depends on what libs the app depend on
13:22.22DerJamstergentgeen__: http://rafb.net/paste/results/9KWfEv10.html
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13:22.36Akbargnome on etch feels a bit heavy
13:22.36gentgeen__DerJamster, thanks
13:22.39Akbar:P
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13:23.11DerJamstergentgeen__: not sure if update-fonts-* needs to be run on the msttcorefonts/gsfonts dirs before they work.
13:23.24bluntedi hate gnome to death
13:23.42gentgeen__DerJamster, ok, will check that out too
13:23.45Akbarblunted not again.. we had a flamewar yesterday :P
13:23.47zhenr1does anyone know how to make a process stay running in the background so I can log off one ssh session and then resume it later from a different one
13:24.03Rebeccascreen
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13:24.26Akbarlet's see... who's playing today
13:24.32bluntedi dont care about other peoples opinions on wether gnomes i cool or not
13:24.37bluntedso you dont have to worry
13:24.41bluntedabout that with me
13:24.50bluntedplus my attention span isnt all that great
13:25.09limpiobvs: will it tell me what i'm missing after the first try?
13:25.24garoHow can i remove a package and it's deps without listing all the deps ?
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13:25.53limpiogaro: dpkg -P
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13:26.12bvslimpio, ./configure will tell you what's missing yes (if the program comes with configure that is)
13:26.17garolimpio: thanks
13:26.29ram_einsteinhow do I take screenshots of the console? I tried fbgrab and it says /dev/console isn't present
13:26.33gentgeen__does the order that I run update-fonts-* matter any?
13:26.42limpiobvs: thx
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13:27.13Akbaraaah portugal-iran
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13:28.05Akbarfigooo
13:29.05vladi_herenearly all browsers hang (except dillo) when I try to download a file(Debian etch) Still what can I do?
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13:29.24skipmeistermy bios reports two temps (CPU and M/B) but lmsensors reports a third. I don't think it's HDD because hddtemp reports a different value. What could it be?
13:30.04Rebeccasome CPUs have an internal sensor
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13:30.21Rebeccaand some motherboards have a temp sensor that sits under the cpu
13:30.58nbthi, there're notebook that supports 1600x1200 ?
13:31.09Rebeccaso you may have different cpu sensors.. or something else entirely
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13:31.42skipmeisterRebecca, any chance it's a HDD sensor reporting a different value to hddtemp?
13:32.21Rebeccathere is a chance it's almost anything :D
13:33.09skipmeisterRebecca, so is there anything I can do to find out what it is...other than hassle the manufacturer for some info?
13:33.22ram_einsteinHow do I take screenshots of my linux console screen vt3? I tried fbgrab but it fails for some reason
13:33.26Rebeccano idea.. just offering a possibility
13:33.36skipmeisterok, thanks
13:33.42azeemram_einstein: I'm not sure you can easily
13:34.09ram_einsteinazeem: why not?
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13:34.47Rebeccaskipmeister: is the mystery sensor slightly less than the cpu sensor?
13:35.12skipmeisterRebecca, no it's about 5 - 6 deg C more
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13:35.34Rebeccathen it may be your internal cpu sensor
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13:36.45dvsskipmeister: it could be your fan.
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13:36.57skipmeisterRebecca, fan temp?
13:37.09Akbarcase temp?
13:37.14skipmeistersorry, dvs
13:37.21dvsskipmeister: yup.
13:37.50gouronskipmeister: look up on the sensors on your board. can is only sensed for speed.
13:38.05gourons/can/san
13:38.06nbthi, there're notebook that supports 1600x1200 ?
13:38.12gourons/can/fan
13:38.32liablenbt: t42/43 do
13:38.46skipmeisterthe thing is, why does my bios only report two temps, whereas lmsensors resports more. Is it a crap bios?
13:38.48nbt142 ?
13:38.55gouronskipmeister: on my Intel board, there are 3 sensed regions.
13:38.59liablenbt: thinkpads.
13:39.03nbtah ibm
13:39.05nbtkpk
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13:39.24gouronso, 3 temps are reported.
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13:39.25nbtthx
13:39.44skipmeistergouron, what are the regions?
13:39.45nbtanother question debian supports nb. fingerprint readers ?
13:40.10liablenbt: there is an app for them, not in debian though afaik
13:40.13gouronskipmeister: it is all in the hardwaew ref of the board.
13:40.20Rebeccaskipmeister: my guess: your bios probably detects the sensors it has, the one under the cpu and the mobo controller chip. the OS additionally detects the actual CPU temp
13:40.24gouroni mean hardware
13:41.03gouroni kow there is one for the on-board voltage regulator, in my case.
13:41.03skipmeisterit's interesting that the mobo handbook doesn't make any mention of it.
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13:42.04gentgeen__skipmeister, as Rebecca said, it might not be a feature of the board, but of the cpu you have
13:42.22skipmeistergotcha...
13:43.01gentgeen__btw.... while on the subject... a HDA temp of 102F... is that BAD??
13:43.10dvsHDA?
13:43.26^ppma^hiho
13:43.26gentgeen__Hard Drive....
13:43.45^ppma^what filesystem is better for / excluding /home?
13:43.58skipmeistergenteen__, I'm having the same dilemma...
13:44.06bluntedit would probably run better if it was lower
13:44.08skipmeistergentgeen__, I'm having the same dilemma...
13:44.11bluntedi think
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13:44.44gentgeen__Turned the AC off last night, all my case temps are up about 2-5 degrees from the norm
13:45.02skipmeistergentgeen__, I checked the OEM's web site for advice. My HDD is ok up to 60 deg C according to the OEM
13:45.02bluntedlol @ AC
13:45.07bluntedi wish i had some
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13:45.20blunted60 C?
13:45.25blackbishophi all,
13:45.29blackbishopanyone here using a cable-modem ?
13:45.30skipmeisterblunted, yes
13:45.33gourongentgeen__: that would be how many eg C?
13:45.34blackbishopI have access to cmts's interface ..
13:45.36blunted33 C is like 100 F
13:45.42gourondeg C?
13:45.47skipmeister100 F = 37.8 C
13:45.49blackbishopI was wondering about how to send a "message" to a "modem"
13:45.56bluntedthats like 200 degrees :\
13:45.58blackbishopI saw that the modem has a led indicating "message" ..
13:45.59bvsgoogle does C <-> F
13:46.03dvs!conv 33 F to C
13:46.13dvsbvs: So does dpkg
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13:46.24dvs!convert 33 F to C
13:46.25dpkg33 F cannot be converted to C: conformability error
13:46.29dvsha!
13:46.29gouronin that case 102 is ok for the hd drive
13:46.32skipmeisterblunted, it's not linear
13:46.48bvsdvs, atleast google works :)
13:46.52gouronin that case 102 is ok for the hd drive.
13:46.59dvsbvs: :-P
13:47.12bluntedif it goes to 60 C you're fine
13:47.38gentgeen__at 61 C it will blow up !!!
13:47.41dvswhat's the package that monitors SMART drives?
13:47.47skipmeisterI've just changed to a microATX case and noticed that the hdd temp is much higher than it was in my midi tower (obviously)
13:47.49liablesmartctl?
13:48.08gourondvs: gkrellm does that.
13:48.24dvsgouron: it's smartmontools.  I found it.
13:48.43blackbishopgrrr... damn modems .. damn thing !
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13:49.17gourondvs: gkrellm does that and more.
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13:55.54pipelineskipmeister: Those sensors are notoriously unreliable anyway.
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13:58.28jsnI had a total network breakdown for my sid/ppc laptop in the last week, week and a half
13:58.47jsnI don't think the machine thinks _either_ card is a wireless, but I can't even connect by wire
13:59.44rowis there no libdata-dumper-perl (Data::Dumper) in apt archives?
14:00.26jsnrow: yes, there is, try /msg dpkg find Dumper.pm
14:00.46jsnrow: at least, that's what I sometimes do to find a perl module whose name in the archives isn't instantly obvious
14:01.08rowta jsn
14:01.57rowah its already installed ;)
14:02.20jsnperl -MData::Dumper -e3
14:02.34jsnwhere 3 is any random number, but 3 is above e
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14:04.25skipmeisterstupid question: do I need the smp kernel to enable hyperthreading?
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14:04.54dvsskipmeister: yes
14:04.58blackbishopyup
14:05.05skipmeisterright then...
14:05.23pipelineskipmeister: You probably don't want to enable hyperthreading.
14:05.34skipmeisterpipeline, why not?
14:05.45pipelineskipmeister: Hurts performance; opens a security hole.
14:05.46frodo_Are there any good ftp grapic clients like coffee cup for xwindows?
14:06.07pipelinefrodo_: No.  There are a number of bad ones, but there's no good X11 FTP client.  Try "gftp."
14:06.13skipmeisterpipeline, I thought the security issue was only an issue for servers?
14:06.24frodo_ty
14:06.27pipelineskipmeister: The performance issue still stands
14:06.29skipmeisterpipeline, how does it hurt performance?
14:06.54Gathondpipeline, the performance would be subject to the workload he intends to put the machine through though
14:06.55pipelineskipmeister: The operating system knows how to schedule threads better than the processor does.  Hyperthreading simply didn't work as well as Intel had hoped.
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14:09.06skipmeisterpipeline, so for an average user, do the pros outweigh the cons?
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14:11.49pipelineskipmeister: Six minutes ago I suggested that you probably DIDN'T want to enable HT.
14:12.09fhffhqvb!nickometer N30PsYcH-e
14:12.11dpkg'N30PsYcH-e' is 70.000% lame, fhffhqvb
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14:12.30rowlol
14:12.30jsnSo, there's been no major networking issue in any of June's updates?
14:12.41jsn!nickometer jsn
14:12.43dpkg'jsn' is 0.000% lame, jsn
14:12.46jsnnatch
14:12.49n30hello
14:12.55azeemjsn: which version of Debian?
14:12.59n30this sucks
14:13.05Netcadwhat is the command for removing all files that has suffix/prefix "move" on filenames?
14:13.05jsnazeem: sid on a powerpc
14:13.08n30banned for about 24 hours already for using caps
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14:13.12fhffhqvbthere's monthly updates?
14:13.17row!nickometer n30
14:13.19ram_einsteinhow do I switch to the C locale?
14:13.19dpkg'n30' is 37.000% lame, row
14:13.22jsnNetcad any directories?
14:13.22rowhehe
14:13.27azeempeople, please stop abusing nickometer
14:13.27row!nickometer row
14:13.29dpkg'row' is 0.000% lame, row
14:13.31row:)
14:13.39rowthats rather funny
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14:13.50rowazeem: sorry
14:13.53row:)
14:13.57jsnNetcad: find . (-name 'move*' -o -name '*.move') -depth -exec rm {} \;
14:14.08dpkg_does anyone know how long it takes to get unbanned?
14:14.27azeemn30: what nick got banned?
14:14.28bonyram_einstein, dpkg-reconfigure locales
14:14.30fhffhqvbban evading sure will do the trick.
14:14.33jsnn30: depends on your crime, and how much you bribe me
14:14.39ram_einsteinbony: I can't find the C locale in the list
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14:15.13|Fo|Nshi all
14:15.28Grommethi
14:15.29charzeroIf is see a package libXXX0[-dev] does that mean is version 0.x or that its latest?
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14:16.07azeemcharzero: it means its library interface is 0
14:16.21azeemwhich can mean anything, really
14:16.31azeemit certainly doesn't imply it's 0.x software
14:16.44charzeroazeem: if i see libX0 and libX1, does that tell me anything about which one i need?
14:16.50jsncharzero: you could look for libXXX* in dselect or something...
14:16.52azeemcharzero: no
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14:17.02azeemcharzero: well, define "need"
14:17.16jsncharzero: Why would you install a library unless you know you need it?
14:17.18azeemif you are a programmer, you should research which API you want to develop against
14:17.21jsnI just let them get sucked in.
14:17.44|Fo|Nsthere is nothing similar to the alsa-modules package anymore?
14:17.46charzeroazeem: I try to compile something, it says it cannot find X. apt-cache search X | grep dev shows libX0-dev and libX1-dev.
14:17.53jsnChances are you'd want to program against libXXX1, but there might be exceptions
14:17.54Netcadjsn : i want to remove the files --> one_move.txt , remove.txt, 1move.doc
14:18.10|Fo|NsI have a card which doesn't seem to have it module compiled in the standard kernel images
14:18.17Netcadlike that? what is the command for that?
14:18.19azeemcharzero: look into the README, INSTALL files or configure.{in,ac}
14:18.21|Fo|Ns(echoauido card)
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14:18.55jsnWell, find . -name '*move.(SOMETHING read man find)' -exec rm {} \;
14:19.11jsncharzero: do you have the regular libs installed, or just -dev?
14:19.32azeemcharzero: oh, also check config.log, maybe you're missing something unrelated
14:19.41DerJamsterI think -dev installs the regular ones, too.
14:20.14jsnDerJamster: regularly, sure.
14:20.19charzerojsn: azeem: For this particular program, it seems like it always needed the 0-dev, even when there was a 1-dev.
14:20.37azeemcharzero: that makes sense, if it is using the 0 API
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14:21.08charzeroazeem: I don't know what you mean when you say "0 API". Where might I find something to read to understand that?
14:21.28acid-tripdoes anyone know what repository to use to get rtorrent?
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14:21.39jsncharzero: the API is how the program connects with the library. If there is a major change that breaks stuff, chances are they will renumber
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14:22.01charzerojsn: So the program I'm trying to compile hasn't switched to newer APIs?
14:22.06jsnNobody has heard anything about networking going bad? Hmm. Maybe it was me.
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14:22.36war92I am running Etch -- did a apt-get upgrade--> all my gnome/gtk apps (I use KDE) just turned DARK GREY for the background, what the ??
14:22.44DerJamsteracid-trip: it's in testing and sid. Check apt-get.org
14:22.54azeemjsn: maybe you should start reporting actual errors/problems
14:23.00azeem"network going bad" is as vague as can be
14:23.23charzeroDoes debian keep track of which packages I explicity told it to install, and which ones came as dependencies?
14:23.33jsnazeem
14:23.35azeemcharzero: aptitude does, apt-get does not
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14:24.08charzeroHmm. I've been using apt-get all this time.
14:24.13jsnazeem: I agree. But I don't know what is going on. It had been working for years, and now it doesn't. I know it isn't the routing table
14:24.34DerJamstercharzero: I use debfoster for cleaning those.
14:24.56jsnI'm concerned it has something to do with interfaces, since now both eth0 and eth1 yield an "Error for wireless request "Set Mode" and "Set ESSid""
14:25.15azeemjsn: try to use iwconfig manually
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14:25.18Netcadjsn :  its says badly placed ()'s
14:25.20Netcad:(
14:25.48jsnNetcad: I told you you needed to read man find, You didn't actually do (SOMETHING read man find) in your find, did you?
14:27.02jsniwconfig <no options> lists all the interfaces and says "no wireless extensions" for all of them
14:27.11azeemjsn: bad
14:27.19azeemwhat kind of WLAN adapters do you have
14:28.06jsnok, ya got me, what sort of WLAN adapter might I have?
14:28.15azeemuhm, no idea
14:28.21azeemdid you upgrade kernels lately?
14:28.27azeemlspci might tell
14:28.30jsnazeem: It's not terribly bad. the wireless card still works when I boot mac
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14:30.32jsnI'm running the same kernel version as I used to have, 2.6.15, but, well, was I running -1 before? I don't recall. What does CET mean, anyway?
14:30.50ShadurCivilised European Time.
14:31.00jelly-homeCivilised?
14:31.26jsnNo, really, the war rocks, europeans are against it because they are JEALOUS of America's great success.
14:31.27blackbishopCentral
14:31.45jsnI've been looking at the thread on politics at debian-user. So much ignorance. Kills me.
14:31.52jsnConfident ignorance, too.
14:32.07acid-tripok here's a question does Xorg for debian support the ati cards?
14:32.09mtomczakAnd they vote!
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14:32.18jelly-homeacid-trip: yes
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14:32.43jsnmtomczak: the media never blames the voters for being such idiots for voting for the people they do. that's pandering
14:33.03jsnthe customer (the television news watcher) is always right -- kills popular goverment
14:33.18jelly-homeacid-trip: for 2D at least. you might have to use fglrx for newer 3D cards.
14:33.25jsnAt least Fox (SPIT!) insults _some_ voters ;)
14:33.27mtomczak*nodnod*
14:33.38jsnthe wrong ones, but the effort is made
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14:34.01mtomczakBy the way, if I wanted to "hide" all of my gnome/gdm custom preferences and essentially revert to my original install state, what user directories should I rename?
14:34.33acid-tripjelly-home, my ati card is 4 years old
14:34.35acid-tripany idea there?
14:34.37jsnls -ald ~/.g*
14:34.45jsnNot all of those, but most
14:34.53jelly-homeacid-trip: it'll work.
14:35.00mtomczak.gksu.lock? How about .gconf and .gconfd?
14:35.01jsn.gconf, .gnome, .gnome2
14:35.05jsnno locks
14:35.08acid-tripalright
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14:36.20gouronwhat is the command to reconfig the locale?
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14:36.41gentgeen__DerJamster, Thanks for the the config... your order, added into my xfs config file did the trick
14:36.43DerJamsterdpkg-reconfigure locale
14:36.49DerJamsteror locales(s), not sure
14:37.01DerJamstergentgeen__: ahh :) Whee.
14:37.29ktwilightdoes anyone live in asia?
14:37.36gouronDerJamster: thks, must be with the s, becoas i have tried without it.
14:37.54ktwilighti need to do a speed test, would be great if someone can help out :)
14:37.59gentgeen__ktwilight, I'm sure SOMEONE does <GRIN>
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14:38.10mtomczakSo I'm chasing a real kicker of a glitch in my X11 (on this old-but-new-to-me video card)... It gets to Welcome fine, but when I log in it hangs. Hang-hangs: no mouse, no keyboard response, frozen screen, and remote terminals die.
14:38.37ktwilight:?
14:38.48mtomczakBut since it doesn't happen 'til I log in, I'm guessing it's something with my userland (though in theory, nothing I do in user land should choke the system that badly... right? RIGHT?) ;)
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14:39.28gentgeen__DerJamster, my 7 year old just thanked you too (she can log into everythinggirl.com agian) <GRIN>
14:39.57gentgeen__mtomczak, how about making a new user, with no changes & see what happens
14:40.13mtomczakCool. That sounds like a step in the right direction.
14:40.29DerJamstergentgeen__: *laughs* Glad to hear it :>
14:41.09gourongentgeen__: make sure she doesn't stray to adult stuff.
14:41.21mtomczakI suppose it could also be my card configs... this is an ATI RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE], which I added to the Devices in X11 but left all the other options default.
14:41.22gentgeen__I have one user, that I wipe out all the time to "test" system default stuff.  (funny thing is it is my brother...)
14:41.40mtomczak(I.e. the stanza merely says the X11 name of the card and what driver to use, nothing more).
14:41.41gentgeen__gouron, IPCOP + addons take care of that for me (for the most part)
14:41.54gentgeen__and the computer is right next to mine, so that takes care of the rest
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14:42.30gentgeen__mtomczak, even though I am 32, I love to do a 'deluser greg'  (my generic user is my brother -- well the name anyway)
14:42.35gourongentgeen__: nothing think is to make sure that she is not addicted to the computer.
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14:43.17gentgeen__gouron, so long as her addiction does not get worst then mine.....
14:44.19gouroni know of cases where children have to seek psychiatric treatment for their addictions to computers.
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14:46.24tarzeauapt popcon
14:46.25aptpopcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
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14:49.24MitjaWhere are the modules to be loaded by default? X won't load the mouse.
14:49.44MitjaI mean where can I append the mouse setting?
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14:51.41phaedrus44ant debian apps to download an entire website ?
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14:55.58Rodrigokris_hi
14:56.05phaedrus44y0
14:56.11Rodrigokris_porque durante la instalacion de debian no me permite que pueda elegir la conexion por PPP?
14:56.37charzeroI marked some packages as Auto in aptitude, but it forgets. Is is supposed to remember?
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14:59.05blondieRodrigokris_: english please
14:59.54Rodrigokris_because during the installation of they debian does not allow me that it can choose the connection by PPP?
15:00.07azeemRodrigokris_: no, only afterwards
15:00.18azeemRodrigokris_: you need at least the netinst to install and then setup PPP
15:00.19azeemI think
15:00.20azeemor CD1
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15:01.58Rodrigokris_I have CD 1
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15:02.37Rodrigokris_but this it does not offer to me to connect to me by ppp single by apt
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15:03.58ribnitzheyas
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15:04.32ribnitzIs python2.4 (sid) kinda like slighly broken?
15:04.40blondie!es
15:04.40dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:04.57Rodrigokris_help
15:04.57dandersonribnitz: not quite. As I understand, there was a mixup in the python-central package
15:05.04dandersonribnitz: but it should be fixed how
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15:05.16dandersonribnitz: I just deborked my own system, perhaps I can assist? :)
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15:06.02ribnitzdanderson: ok. My version of it (2.4.3-7_i386.deb) has the problem (both python-minimal and python)
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15:06.34ribnitzdanderson: so what od I do?
15:06.46dandersonribnitz: what is the symptom? Can you paste a transcript of the errors to code.bulix.org ?
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15:08.35ribnitzdanderson: I can't, I have no graphical system atm. "what(): basic_string::S_construct NULL not valid"
15:08.46jairguys the official command to add new users to Debian is add user? or useradd?
15:08.58dandersonribnitz: ah :/
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15:09.26azeemjair: adduser
15:09.31dandersonribnitz: what version does `dpkg -l python-central` list?
15:09.34jairazeem: thank you
15:10.00ribnitzdanderson: 0.4.17
15:11.05dandersonribnitz: okay, so, what I was told to do: dpkg --configure --pending
15:11.43dandersonribnitz: if that fails, force the installation of the 'python' package (python_2.3.5-10_all.deb), then try `apt-get -f install`
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15:12.45ribnitzdanderson: errors on python-2.4-dev,2.3, 2.3-dev, python-minimal and python-central
15:13.13ribnitzdanderson: where do I get 2.3.5-10?
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15:13.28Rebeccawhy does /proc manage to consume >200mb on a fresh minimal testing system and can this be reduced?
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15:13.58ribnitzdanderson: I have -12 and -14 of the 2.3.5 version
15:14.03astronutRebecca: it's vritual
15:14.04astronutvirtual
15:14.05stewRebecca: /proc/ isn't a real filesystem.  it doens't actually use any disk space, its just a view of your running kernel
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15:14.31astronutRebecca: *if* it were on disk, it would take up 515 megs, but it's not
15:14.31blondiewell
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15:14.37astronutit's all imaginary
15:14.43blondieI have a file called /proc/kcore -- is that real?
15:14.45blondieit's over 500MB
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15:15.19dandersonribnitz: install the latest. You are installing the package with an underscore, right?
15:15.20astronutRebecca: most of the space is taken up by /proc/kcore for me
15:15.32dandersonribnitz: python_2.3...., not python2.3...
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15:16.39ellipticblondie: the RAM I think
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15:16.48blondiehm
15:17.54blondieelliptic: should it be equal in size to total RAM, or used RAM?
15:18.21blondie(or neither)
15:18.36ellipticblondie: yes (total) I think
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15:18.52blondieon another box, it's just under 1GB when RAM is 2GB...
15:18.59Rebeccaastronut: odd.. im trying to track down what's using the drive and i can't find another culprit for the usage..
15:19.04ribnitzdanderson: python_2.3.5-10 (forced) and now?
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15:19.24astronutRebecca: do a du -s * | sort -g
15:19.33blondieRebecca: did you run du? also, there's space reserved for root
15:19.38astronutRebecca: perhaps a few files in it are not virtual (kcore probably isn't)
15:19.43ellipticblondie: I may be wrong
15:20.13ribnitzastronut: How can that be?- if /proc isvirtual, everything in proc is.
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15:20.16ellipticblondie: http://www.unixguide.net/linux/faq/04.16.shtml
15:20.31astronutribnitz: if it mounts over something
15:20.33astronut*shrug*
15:20.39blondiehm
15:21.05blondieelliptic: ok, so why's mine not the rigght size? ;)
15:21.13ribnitzdanderson: what do I do next?
15:21.15ellipticblondie: no idea
15:22.05magyaron every reebot, the kernel swaps my root device from "sda" to "sde" and back. How can i fix this?
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15:23.54PhinnForthow can i get islsm?
15:23.56PhinnFortthe driver
15:24.34MitjaHow do I fix this: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc/1/task: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. ?
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15:25.12obtixhow do i mount a partition so every user has full access to it? (in fstab)
15:25.22blondieobtix: what filesystem?
15:25.24Rebeccaastronut / blondie: just installing ssh now. ill try that in a tick :)
15:25.34obtixblondie: vfat (fat32)
15:25.44PhinnFortusermask:777?
15:25.51PhinnFort*=
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15:26.45abrotmanobtix: what kind of partition?
15:26.48obtixPhinnFort: i tried umask=777
15:26.53obtixabrotman: vfat
15:27.03polishkoop!ask xfree86
15:27.06abrotman!vfatrw
15:27.06dpkgTo get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".  This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux)..
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15:28.06jairguys, If I have a debian server and I will be using it as my web server, do I need to install bind9 to have the dns server of the domain name working properly?
15:28.07Sir-vinceWhat shall i do, i have 2 networks (192.168.0.0/24 on eth0 and 10.0.0.0/16 on eth1) and i want the users on both networks to see each other, and everyone must be able to use the gateway on the address 192.168.0.254
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15:28.23ellipticobtix: write acess for every user ?
15:28.32jairfor example, I think that the company that give me the domain provide dns servers for me I think?
15:28.34elliptics/acess/access/
15:28.44obtixelliptic: its a public "dump" if you will, i dont care if stuff is deleted from it
15:28.46jairbut will be better to have my own dns server correct?
15:29.01obtixdo I need to specify the uid and gid? if i want it to be for everyone?
15:29.07ellipticobtix: umask=0
15:29.13jairalso I think that my isp provide me a dns server too. for the internet dsl, I have static ips
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15:29.58charzeroSir-vince: Is the default gateway for the 10.0 and the 192.168.0 the same machine?
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15:30.37PhinnForti can't get my wireless to work...
15:30.48Sir-vincecharzero i have a gateway on this address 192.168.0.254, then i have a computer linkin these two networks together on ip 192.168.0.253 and 10.0.254.254
15:31.01abrotmanpipeline: what card do you have that locks up? i810 ?
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15:32.18charzeroSir-vince: should be possible with iptables and routes.
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15:32.27Sir-vinceok,
15:32.34jairabrotman: if my ISP is giving me an ip static, but anyway I am getting it with the settings on the debian server using a DHCP, how can I find out what is the gateway and also the dns servers?  because I will be configuring this server as a web server and needs to have the ip info static.
15:32.44jairabrotman: even when is static.
15:32.46Sir-vincecharzero what would you suggest i wrote to my route ?
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15:32.54abrotmanjair: huh ?
15:33.04abrotmanjair: ask the ISP
15:33.06jairabrotman: the ip address does not change even when the computer is rebooted
15:33.13abrotmani think .. if i understand you correctly
15:33.25jairabrotman: it is not a way I can get that??? maybe with traceroute?
15:33.37abrotmanit's better to ask the ISP
15:33.46jairok
15:33.50jairabrotman: ok thank you
15:34.03blondieyou can get it
15:34.05charzeroSir-vince: You are going to have to understand routes and iptables, and design this out. Its not a simple one-line answer.
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15:34.28blondie`route` will tell you the gateway, and /etc/resolv.conf will have the dns servers (if you use dhcp)
15:34.40abrotmanblondie: i don't htink the server is in place yet
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15:34.53Sir-vinceok
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15:35.07cyzieanybody using wxvlc aka vlc in etch/testing ?
15:35.12abrotmanyes
15:35.16abrotmanwell .. it's instlaled
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15:36.39magyaris linux-image in bts system?
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15:37.12Rebeccaastronut / blondie: ok. i ran it
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15:41.24polishkoopOkay, I'm running debian sarge kernel 2.6 and I just reconfigured xserver-xfree86.  When I type in startx, i get "command not found".  Why?
15:41.35rohananyone have a .deb for google earth ?
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15:42.37pipelineabrotman: i830m.
15:42.43abrotmanah ok
15:42.59pipelineabrotman: And I no longer care; I installed the XFree86 4.6.0 binary release using their horrible, kludgy "Xinstall.sh"
15:43.05pipelineabrotman: Flashbacks to 1989, but shit, at least I have graphics.
15:43.09bartmpolishkoop: is xbase-clients installed?
15:43.11abrotmanpipeline: no .. i fcouldn't remember
15:43.12pipelineabrotman: Graphics that don't cost 70$...
15:44.42polishkoopbartm: I don't believe so
15:45.06pipelineabrotman: I have no faith in such things.
15:45.10abrotmanhehe
15:45.14pipelineabrotman: There is one enduring API: OpenGL.
15:45.27abrotmanpipeline: so write an xserver in pure GL!
15:45.40pipelineabrotman: Anything that doesn't comply with the hidebound early-90s view of graphics as a finite state machine with polys as its stock in trade may as well not exist.
15:45.55pipelineabrotman: Heh, they've already done that.  Xgl paints fonts like a motherfucker.
15:46.03abrotmanpipeline: but runs on top of X
15:46.34bartmpolishkoop: I just checked again :)
15:46.39pipelineabrotman: A consequence of the hardware it runs on :)
15:47.15pipelineabrotman: I imagine you could write an empty shell of a server that supports GLX, no primitives :P
15:47.22polishkoopbartm: i'm installing the x-window-system-core now.  will that help?
15:47.32exobyteIf I have a debian installation, is there way to install debian on some other drive in the system so that that drive will be bootable on its own?
15:48.02charzeroIs there some kind of "X Demystified" article that explains the relationship between X, Xgl, Xv, OpenGL, the kernel modules, the X drivers, GLX, DRI ?
15:48.05pipelineexobyte: recreate the filesystems on the new drive, install grub on the new drive, then use gnu tar to copy everything from old drive to new.
15:48.23pipelinecharzero: Not really.  I can walk you through it right now, if you like.
15:48.31exobytepipeline: I know that's save in theory, but it just feels sorta sloppy
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15:48.38charzeropipeline: Sure, I'd appreciate it.
15:48.43abrotmancharzero: the wiki at x.org might explain it
15:48.46pipelineexobyte: "sorta sloppy" describes everything related to UNIX.
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15:49.11pipelinecharzero: X is a gigantic piece of software that fundamentally does two things: Accept X client commands, and drive the graphics hardware in the system it's running on.
15:49.13exobytepipeline: I hear windows is just as bad, but they can hide it under the gui
15:49.23Coweatercharzero: http://keithp.com/~keithp/talks/ might be of interest
15:49.26pipelineexobyte: Windows was much more elegantly thought out, in many ways.
15:49.58pipelinecharzero: Xv and GLX are both "extensions" to the X11 protocol -- sets of extra commands that clients can issue to the server
15:50.07exobytepipeline: isn't the nt kernel closer to a microkernel (in contrast to the linux monolithic kernel)
15:50.18bartmpolishkoop: well, startx is in xbase-clients
15:50.28pipelineexobyte: Yes.  NT was designed as a microkernel.  Portions of the system live inside the kernel for performance reasons, however.
15:50.42exobytepipeline: like solitaire
15:50.58charzerolol
15:51.03pipelinecharzero: X drivers are pretty weird -- they're basically plugins to handle various cards.  It used to be that you compiled X with support for a specific card.  Moving it into "drivers" just meant you could load different modules at runtime.
15:51.07pipelineexobyte: Actually, yes.
15:51.15exobytethe sidenode is I'm using windows right now and I actually like microkernels
15:51.24pipelineexobyte: GDI+ was the first thing to be moved into kernel space for performance reason.
15:51.35exobytepipeline: nifty
15:51.40charzeropipeline: Is the kernel module the X driver, or is the kernel module what lets the X driver talk to the hardware?
15:52.11pipelinecharzero: The kernel module is the latter.  You have to have software running in kernel-space in order to talk to the hardware directly
15:52.18pipelinecharzero: DRI/DRM was an attempt to standardize how that was done
15:52.40war92After apt-get dist-upgrade in Etch, my GTK/Gnome apps are dark grey, how do I change them back to a lighter grey?
15:52.49pipelinecharzero: Instead of every graphics driver having its own weird way to transmit information between user and kernel space
15:53.02pipelinecharzero: OpenGL is a weird story in itself
15:53.10pipelinecharzero: in the 80s, every vendor had their own graphics API
15:53.23abrotmanwar92: change the theme perhaps ?
15:53.30abrotmaneven in the 90s :)
15:53.31pipelinecharzero: SGI had GL (note: no open), HP had Starbase, Sun and IBM had PHIGS.
15:53.34war92abrotman: I use KDE though.
15:53.36charzeroso DRI was an attempt to change xserver - driver - kernel(module) - hardware to xorg - DRI - kernel - hardware?
15:53.40war92abchirk: it is xchat/gaim with the issues
15:53.44abrotmanwar92: eh  .. so?
15:53.57abrotmangtk-theme-switch2 ?
15:53.59war92k
15:54.00charzeros/xorg/xserver
15:54.13abrotman!dri
15:54.13dpkgmethinks dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok
15:54.17cyzieanybody using wxvlc aka vlc in etch/testing ?
15:54.18pipelinecharzero: In the early 90s, SGI saw which way the wind was blowing, and abstracted their proprietary API out to create OpenGL.  OpenGL is basically a model of how 3d hardware could in theory work.  The big advantage to it is that you can implement parts of OpenGL in software, parts in hardware, parts with mysterious voodoo, and it'll still all work together the exact same way from the aspect of the programmer.
15:54.49war92abrotman: ah, I only have 1 theme!
15:54.50abrotmancyzie: i told you i had it installed .. why?
15:54.53exobytepipeline: and tar is used to preserve all the permissions and ownership?
15:54.59abrotmanwar92: that sucks! ..
15:55.03pipelineexobyte: you can use the -l and -p switches to make it easier to copy.
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15:55.23cyzieabrotman, can u give me the repository u downloaded from ?
15:55.27pipelineexobyte: e.g. "tar -cvlpf - <stuff> | (cd destination; tar -xvlpf -)"
15:55.31abrotman!tell cyzie about u
15:55.48cyzieabrotman, can you give me the repository you downloaded from ?
15:55.53pipelinecharzero: Before DRI, you usually didn't have any kernel-part of a driver.
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15:56.05pipelinecharzero: You just wrote directly to RAM with magical values to control the card.
15:56.06rohanwow !ne1 is nice :)
15:56.13abrotmancyzie: i manually grabbed the packages from sid .. basically .. grab the vlc package .. and keep trying to install it until it works :)
15:56.14pipelinecharzero: This was, needless to say, pretty ugly.
15:56.18abrotmancyzie: or wait a few days
15:56.18rohanits irritating to have such msn slang on irc :P
15:56.28pipelinecharzero: DRI/DRM were an attempt to clean things up and make things make sense
15:56.31cyzieabrotman, what do you mean?
15:56.35pipelinecharzero: i.e. make it easier to develop future drivers
15:56.35abrotmancyzie: i mean ..
15:56.47exobytepipeline: all that leaves is partitioning it
15:56.58abrotmancyzie: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/vlc .. grab the package .. then its dependencies
15:56.58rohanabrotman: its irritating to have proper kings english on irc too :P
15:57.00pipelineexobyte: "cfdisk" is easy.
15:57.15pipelineexobyte: You should create a small (~100M) /boot, a swap partition, and a root.
15:57.23abrotmancyzie: or wait a few days until it gets into etch
15:57.27abrotman!why is vlc not in testing
15:57.27dpkgvlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc
15:57.30charzeropipeline: is DRI a protocol for xserver to talk to hardware driver?
15:57.34unstableEveryday there are 10 people who try to install vlc in testing
15:57.37cyzieabrotman, waht a few days? i have been like waiting for a year..
15:57.42abrotmanbah ..
15:57.43unstablesomeone should me a one liner *cough*
15:57.44pipelinecharzero: Yes, that's a pretty good word.
15:57.49abrotmannevermind .. vlc has RC bugs now
15:58.00cyzieabrotman, how many days we have to wait ?
15:58.04pipelinecharzero: there are still a lot of drivers that either don't use DRI/DRM or use something bizarre and specific to themselves.
15:58.10unstablecyzie: What version of debian?
15:58.17cyzieunstable, etch/testing
15:58.19abrotmancyzie: who knows .. the bug is bad
15:58.30abrotman!dbugs 324978
15:58.32cyzieabrotman, then endless waiting
15:58.34dpkg#324978:S[vlc] vlc: Does not acknowledge all copyrights in debian/copyright and licenses of some files are not defined and unclear; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:18:02 UTC
15:58.34unstablecyzie: So add deb-src line for unstable, then do "apt-get build-dep vlc; apt-get source vlc; apt-get install build-essential;
15:58.43abrotmanunstable: the packages install fine in etch
15:58.44charzeropipeline: So if i have fglrx and DRI, my x server uses DRI to talk to the fglrx kernel module, which controls the hardware?
15:58.45abrotmanor did
15:58.52unstableabrotman: yes I know
15:58.56unstableabrotman: But it disappeared
15:58.57abrotmanso why build them?
15:59.03abrotmanit did what?
15:59.05unstableWhere is it?
15:59.07abrotmani just used mine this morning
15:59.21rohani have sid, and now i want to 'downgrade' to etch ,. what do i do ? dont upgrade for 10 days and then put etch, hoping that at that time etch will be more up to date than the sid ?
15:59.23cyziedpkg #324978:S[vlc] vlc: Does not acknowledge all copyrights in debian/copyright and licenses of some files are not defined and unclear; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:18:02 UTC   // so it is not porgram bug rather than licensing issue.
15:59.23dpkgcyzie: that's too long
15:59.24unstableDo you have a link to etc vlc deb?
15:59.38abrotmanunstable: i just freaking told you .. the ones in sid install fine on etch
15:59.46abrotmancyzie: right
15:59.47pipelinecharzero: No; fglxrxsxs and nvidia are both drivers that go their own way and avoid the DRI/DRM infrastructure.
15:59.55rohanis d-m.org still down ?
16:00.01abrotmanmaybe
16:00.02abrotman:)
16:00.18astronutrohan: not really
16:00.20charzeropipeline: So fglrx is the X driver, which is userspace code that talks to the the fglrx kernel module?
16:00.25astronutrohan: since some stuff stays in sid
16:00.37rohanastronut: like ? :D
16:00.48cyzieunstable, abrotman do i have to get through all the what unstable suggest? i dont want go into so details. everytime i do apt-get upgrade, i have nightmares
16:00.59pipelinecharzero: Yup.   How the userspace code talks to the kernel module, and what exactly the kernel module does, are both shhh secret.
16:01.06abrotmancyzie: you can .. but i didn't .. i just grabbed the packages from the FTP site and installed them
16:01.53marco13185is it possible to compile windows executables with GCC?
16:01.59cyzieabrotman, grep from FTP site and installed? then how to update the the wxvlc later?
16:02.06rohanmarco13185: yes, read up on cross compiling
16:02.18cyzieabrotman, manually do the work again?! that is too hassle imagine u ahve a lot of softwares
16:02.18abrotmancyzie: whenever the packages actually go to etch .. they'll get updated
16:02.22abrotman!u
16:02.22dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
16:02.51cyzieabrotman, nevermind. thank YOU for your helps . ;)
16:02.55rohanlol
16:02.59abrotmancyzie: you gave up?!
16:03.01blondiethe plural of help is help!
16:03.08cyzieabrotman, not really
16:03.10rohanblondie: :P
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16:04.33charzeropipeline: If I had a DRI driver, X would use a userspace DRI driver to talk to the DRI kernel module, which would be hardware specific? (i.e. we wish all hardware vendors released DRI drivers)
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16:06.13rohanwow, what would someone do in this case ? http://bash.org/?652425
16:06.20pipelinecharzero: The userspace portion is still hardware specific
16:06.39pipelinecharzero: But all of the DRI/DRM drivers share some things.  It's just lots easier to write a new driver using  DRI/DRM than to try to do it from scratch.
16:06.40abrotmanrohan: reinstall
16:06.50abrotmanrohan: or use a liveCD .. but you'll never get it fully correct again
16:06.53rohanabrotman: the package right ?
16:06.58rohanor the complete system ?
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16:07.11abrotmanrohan: he would need a liveCD to correct the permissions on that binary
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16:07.17blackbishopRobi- chmod +x it back ?
16:07.18rohanwhy abrotman, what's the problem with using a live cd ?
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16:07.24pipelinerohan: Use perl to chmod it :P
16:07.26abrotmanno problem
16:07.30abrotmanpipeline: or that :)
16:07.33blackbishopow ...
16:07.35blackbishopcrap
16:07.38rohanabrotman: "but you'll never get it fully correct again" ?
16:07.43charzeropipeline: So your userspace X driver and kernel driver could use existing DRI stuff in X and existing DRI stuff in the kernel?
16:07.44rohanpipeline: how ?
16:07.58abrotmanrohan: i misread it the first time
16:08.08rohanoh ok
16:08.10blackbishoprohan reinstall the package containing chmod _
16:08.11blackbishop?
16:08.16pipelinecharzero: Yes.  If you were going to write a new driver from scratch, using DRI/DRM would make it a lot easier to get fancy features working (e.g. Xv, GLX)
16:08.24pipelinerohan: man perlfunc
16:08.33rohanok
16:08.33abrotmanrohan: i thought he had chmod -x the whole system
16:08.34pipelinerohan: or write your own chmod in C :P
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16:08.40rohanpipeline: :P
16:08.46jaybeeso pcnfs was deprecated as apackage?  i'm connecting to a debian box via an nfs windwos client....it works fine, but UID and GID are 2-.   should i bother with NIS or is there an easier was to authenticate from a windows machine?
16:08.47rohanpipeline: i prefer C++ :D
16:09.03pipelinerohan: Tough shit.  There are no C++ syscalls.  Also, C++ is very possibly the worst language ever devised.
16:09.10pipelinejaybee: PCNFS sucked.  Hence its deprecation.
16:09.24blondiemaybe try samba instead
16:09.28jaybeesamba is out
16:09.30rohanpipeline: ok with no syscalls, but why is it the worst lang. ever designed ?
16:09.43pipelinejaybee: NIS with windows is a real pain in the ass.  I would probably disable shadow passwords and then just copy the text /etc/passwd, as the non-NIS windows instructions direct.
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16:09.56pipelinerohan: If you have to ask, you're an idiot.
16:10.07charzeropipeline: Framebuffer is a hardware abstraction, there is an X driver that knows how to talk to that abstraction, and talks to the fb driver, that controls hardware?
16:10.12pipelinerohan: Its problems are self-evident to anyone who's used it for five minutes.
16:10.24rohanpipeline: i didnt find a single problem
16:10.27pipelinecharzero: Framebuffer has nothing to do with it.  The framebuffer drivers and fbdev are the last-resort option.
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16:10.34rohannow that would make an idiot eh ? :P
16:10.37pipelinerohan: Then you're a complete fucking idiot, and I am now going to place you on /ignore.
16:10.45abrotmanpipeline: i've worked with a worse language
16:10.48abrotmanfar far worse
16:10.50rohanlol .. he is humourous :D
16:10.50pipelineabrotman: I find that difficult to believe.
16:11.02pipelineabrotman: I would rather write JCL for a living than touch C++ ever again.
16:11.03rohan"man it sucks, i cant tell u why u idiot stfu" .. nice
16:11.03abrotmanpipeline: going to /msg url
16:11.11charzeropipeline: framebuffer is a very slow alternative to hardware specific X driver and kernel driver, and uses a small subset of the hardare's capability?
16:11.13bartmpipeline: cool, JCL :)
16:11.29abrotmanpipeline: easily .. the worst language i've ever used .. and i've used a lot of them
16:11.34pipelineabrotman: rep? rep isn't so bad on the scale of things.
16:11.35jaybeepipeline----ok good advice.  i did copy over my passwd and group files to the win machine
16:11.42abrotmanpipeline: it's not rep
16:11.44pipelinejaybee: You have to disable shadow passwords, first.
16:11.49rohanwow so many C++ haters here :P
16:11.51jaybeeah ok
16:12.05jaybeethis is on a LAN behind a firewall so no biggie
16:12.05bartmrohan: I think that c is more popular on unix
16:12.06pipelineabrotman: I admit, I didn't click the link.  Now that I have, what the hell is it? :P
16:12.22abrotmanpipeline: exactly as the title says .. that is the name of the language
16:12.29rohanbartm: agreed .. but C++ is clearer, and i just love cout << compared to the stupid printf :)
16:12.33pipelinecharzero: Yes.  framebuffer drivers suck ass, and fbdev is a userspace X driver to use the framebuffer.
16:12.37rohan<< and >> is clear ..
16:12.46rohanthough its a personal thing, ofcourse
16:12.50abrotmanpipeline: stack based scripting language (math and logic is all RPN)
16:12.53bartmrohan: taste is just as weird as people :)
16:12.57jaybeepipeline: so once i disable shadow passwds i  just drop the passwd group file somewhere like windows
16:13.02rohanbartm: yes :))
16:13.06jaybeesystem\driver\etc
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16:13.18abrotmanpipeline: used for one fairly widely deployed financial application
16:13.23pipelineabrotman: I'm still not willing to admit it sucks worse than C++.  Clearly it has at least one problem space in which it is possible to write correct programs.
16:13.31charzeropipeline: DRI =? DRM ?
16:13.38abrotmanpipeline: it's a horrible language
16:13.45pipelineabrotman: There are many horrible languages.
16:13.50rohani'd still like to know why C++ sucks though :P but by someone more qualified to pass opinions, than pipeline
16:14.08pipelinecharzero: heh, I can't keep DRI and DRM straight.  They're both part of the same software.
16:14.09Eclipserrohan, well... it doesn't :)
16:14.14pipelinecharzero: If you care that much, check their website :P
16:14.16bartmrohan: I think that c++ sucks because I don't know it well enough to judge it
16:14.21rohanEclipser: yay C++ rocks ;) \o/
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16:14.40pipelinebartm: It takes approximately a decade to know C++ very well at all.  And that's time wasted.  Don't.
16:14.41rohanbartm: lol, atleast that makes more sense than what pipeline said ;)
16:14.43abrotmanpipeline: that is the worst i've ever worked with .. and that includes RPG, cobol, ASM, and C++
16:14.44nbthi there's a tool to convert WAV to MP3 quickly ?
16:15.04pipelinenbt: Sure.  But there's an inverse proportion between how quickly it gets done and how good it sounds.
16:15.04rohanpipeline: and 5 minutes to pass opinions on it ? gimme a break
16:15.22pipelinenbt: I suggest you use LAME, which is very slow, but works very well indeed.
16:15.32rohanawww.. even dpkg hates it :(
16:15.33rohan!c++
16:15.43rohan!C++
16:15.48azeemrohan: stop abusing the bot
16:15.52charzeropipeline: OpenGL would be xclient speaks OpenGL, xserver understands OpenGL, and if you're really lucky, xserver can speak OpenGL and the hardware driver can understand it, and if you're _really_ lucky, the kernelspace driver understands it too?
16:16.14nbtthe package is called exactly LAME ?
16:16.18rohanazeem: i am using it relevant to the discussion .. anyway my bad, sorry :) won't do it again
16:16.21nbtor it's the codec ?
16:16.32rohanbut why did the bot not reply here ?
16:16.33pipelinenbt: LAME is not packaged by the mainstream debian project.  You need to find the debian-multimedia sources.  (MP3 is patented.)
16:16.48pipelinecharzero: OpenGL is complicated as hell.
16:16.50bartmrohan: ask the bot :)
16:16.57pipelinecharzero: It's a model of the way a hypothetical graphics engine works.
16:16.59rohan!tell nbt about lame
16:17.06pipelinecharzero: Software and hardware collude to implement this hypothetical engine
16:17.08charzeropipeline: OpenGL is complicated as hell, or the existing implementation is complicated as hell?
16:17.26pipelinecharzero: OpenGL works with X11 through the "GLX" extension, which allows X clients to issue OpenGL calls.
16:17.31pipelinecharzero: GLX even works over the network.
16:17.39rohanbartm: how can i ? :D
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16:18.02pipelinecharzero: The way that GLX is implemented inside of specific X11 implementations is very, very complicated as well.  I don't pretend to understand it.  I imagine the DRI/DRM and Mesa documentation are places to start :P
16:18.20charzeropipeline: what is Xv?
16:18.25pipelinecharzero: note that GLX is a multivendor thing.  HP, Sun, SGI, and X.org all support it.
16:18.34pipelinecharzero: Xv is an extension to the protocol to support video over X11.
16:18.55pipelinecharzero: As virtually all modern graphics cards can hardware accelerate video, it's a hell of a lot faster than just sending huge amounts of bitmaps over the connection :p
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16:19.06rohani hope its the right place to ask the question .. but why encode a .wav with a lossless codec like FLAC ? as it is, it wont make any size difference .. what is the rationale, then ?
16:19.06jaybeepipeline: need a little handholding here if you know how to resolve this.  so i turned off shadow passwords.  i can mount my exports in windows and navigate to the folders, but  i still can't write files from win->unix.  it pops up an error.  in windows mount shows uid, gid -2.  user names and passwords are identical and the mounting from win was done with -u -p.   ideas?
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16:19.09pipelinecharzero: Xv does not work very well over the network...
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16:19.27pipelinejaybee: perhaps your exports are odd in some way.
16:19.32pipelinejaybee: I try to avoid dealing with windows NFS :P
16:19.54charzeropipeline: Is fresco officially dead? Or is it just in a coma?
16:19.55pipelinejaybee: i would read the documentation.  Even after you copy the files, I think you still have to manually map windows accounts to unix accounts.
16:20.00pipelinecharzero: I don't know and I don't care :)
16:20.21pipelinecharzero: as far as I can tell, it's always been in a coma, and yet, development still gets done :)
16:20.28jaybee"/home/tom 192.168.*(rw,async,wdelay,insecure,no_root_squash)" is my export.  looks weird?
16:21.04charzeropipeline: what is xlib vs. xcb?
16:21.07pipelinejaybee: Nope, that looks about right.  It must be the mapping thing.  oh, and add a maproot or whatever the linux NFS option is.
16:21.28blondiehow does linux store timestamps prior to 1970?
16:21.33pipelinecharzero: X11 is, fundamentally, a protocol.  Bytes over a TCP connection telling the X server what to do.
16:21.40pipelineblondie: time_t is signed.
16:21.41jelly-homerohan: lossless codecs cut the size to about half, that's a distinct size difference.
16:21.46blondieoh
16:22.00rohanjelly-home: oh, how does it cut the file size by 50% ?
16:22.03pipelinecharzero: Xlib and Xcb are both ways to generate those bytes over a tcp connection.
16:22.29charzeropipeline: they are libraries that the x client and x server use?
16:22.33jaybeeyes, mapping needs to occur somehow i think.  that's the problem.  in vista (what im using) the client shows an option to specify an AD controller or User Name Mapping server.  you are right...this is a maproot. ...but that doesn't seem to exist on this machine. i wonder if it's not finished in vista yet :D
16:23.12pipelinecharzero: Nope, Xlib and Xcb are both client-side only.
16:23.19pipelinecharzero: You can write X clients without using Xlib or Xcb.
16:23.40pipelinecharzero: Well, you could -- I've never heard of anyone doing it :)
16:23.48charzeropipeline: you just have to implement X11 yourself?
16:23.51jelly-homerohan: about the same way as gzip does, compression algorythms.  They're just optimized for this type of data.
16:24.02pipelinejaybee: I'm saying you need to do a maproot on the linux side.  i.e. map uid 0 to something else.
16:24.07rohanjelly-home: oh, compression, but no loss ?
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16:24.15jaybeepipeline: AH. gotcha
16:24.15jelly-homerohan: indeed
16:24.23pipelinejaybee: On the windows side, there's a graphical tool to configure manual account mapping for when you're not using NIS.
16:24.27rohanjelly-home: got you :)
16:24.58pipelinecharzero: heh, implementing X11 would be hard on the server side.  On the client side, it wouldn't be SO rough.  I wouldn't want to do it, though.  Even using raw Xlib sucks ass.
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16:25.26charzeropipeline: Thinks like GTK and QT and Java Awt use Xlib and/or Xcb, so you don't have to, right?
16:25.27killownwhat's difference among  kernel 2.4 and kernel 2.6?
16:25.31jaybeepipeline: yes, in SFU v3.5---i've seen it.  it won't install on vista and i can't find it after installing the new feature SUA (sub for unix apps) i think.  from what i've read the new mapping service is in there, but i can't find it :D
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16:25.48pipelinecharzero: Yeah.  Swing uses AWT, AWT uses Xlib.   GTK uses GDK, GDK uses Xlib.  I have no idea how Qt works.
16:25.55rohankillown: 2.6 is not deprecated, has better hardware support, and is allegably faster
16:25.58pipelinejaybee: Err, you shouldn't be able to install SFU on Vista, as it's bundled.
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16:26.05charzeropipeline: Thus changing "mechanism not policy" to "choose one of a handful of policies"
16:26.30pipelinecharzero: More like "choose one of approximately a hundred mechanisms, then find some goddamn policy that more or less works"
16:26.40vinayquake4 suddenly runs like crap under xorg7 ... nvidia installer put stuff in /usr/X11R6 .. and i copied a lot of that stuff over to /usr/lib/xorg/* in appropriate directories... now X starts, but the quake4 is very slow.. perhaps not detecting the video card.. thoughts?
16:26.43jaybeepipeline: yeah using the bundle.  so, the GID -2 mount error is what im seeing on the wndows side.  so it's a client issue.  i just can't find the new map config that's bundled in vista :D
16:26.50charzeropipeline: I.E. Make sure every program on the UNIX desktop looks and behaves differently?
16:27.06pipelinecharzero: The whole "extensions" system proved to be really, really, really dumbassed.  Because you couldn't count on any given workstation supporting the correct set of extensions, as an application writer, you didn't dare rely on the extension being there.
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16:27.25pipelinecharzero: Because so few applications used any interesting extensions, workstation vendors saw no reason to put a lot of work into uspporting extensions.
16:27.57pipelinecharzero: The only extensions that ever became really popular were Xkb (keyboard stuff), PEX (PHIGS), GLX (OpenGL), DPS (display postscript), and the sample extensions that came with MIT X11 (toy shit; e.g. Xshape.)
16:27.58jaybeethe NFS client in vista is there and workds fine.  the mapping config service is MIA
16:28.06pipelinejaybee: Well, it IS beta software.
16:28.10redrainHi, is there any howto that shows installing ipw2200 wireless cards on etch?
16:28.17rohan!ipw2200
16:28.17dpkgipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware to /lib/firmware. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel
16:28.19charzeropipeline: So my understanding of X from "The X Window System Disaster" chapter of "The UNIX Hater's Handbook" isnt' that far off.
16:28.21abrotmanpipeline: it hasn't been released yet .. it's still alpha :)
16:28.22pipelineredrain: Install module-assistant.  Use module-assistant.  You're done.
16:28.33pipelinecharzero: Heh.  The situation is, however, improving.
16:28.38charzeroredrain: I can tell you how I got it to work, but its not The Debian Way(TM)
16:28.54rohancharzero: let dpkg do it :)
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16:29.06unstableThe Debian Way isn't a trademark
16:29.14jaybeeso far vista has been pretty solid.  but it's like running oblivion+fear+windows2003 all at the same time.  it's a monster
16:29.17pipelinecharzero: X11, as it stands today, has three toolkits (Motif, GTK+, and GTK2) and only one extension that actually matters (GLX)
16:29.29pipelinecharzero: Lots of applications can use GLX to do things that would have been done with other extensions at one time
16:29.35rohanpipeline: Qt is not an X11 toolkit ?
16:29.41charzerorohan: The ipw2200 in debian didn't work on my particular card.
16:29.45pipelinecharzero: e.g. DPS, Xv, and Xrender are all starting to look less and less useful :P
16:30.11rohancharzero: but !ipw2200 shows you how to compile it yourself
16:30.25pipelinejaybee: How hard is it to get this into your head: BETA BETA BETA BETA.  It's not intended to work very well :P
16:30.37charzerorohan: Yeah, I compiled it myself before I read that.
16:30.45redrainI got this: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)  E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.15-1-k7
16:30.50rohanoh ok, charzero :)
16:31.02jelly-homejaybee: hmm, the 2003 part sounds nice.
16:31.05jaybeetaking 1GB of RAM for an OS just because it's beta is rediculous :D
16:31.24charzerorohan: Thats why I said it wasn't the debian way. (:
16:31.44pipelinejaybee: Heh.  debugging information :P
16:31.56pipelinejaybee: Besides, Windows NT couldn't keep up its record-lows on memory consumption forever.
16:32.02rohancharzero: and thats why i told you let redrain follow dpkg .. ;
16:32.05pipelinejaybee: Windows XP uses ~50M for a complete desktop + browser :)
16:32.28jaybeevista uses around 600MB for a browser + notepad
16:32.28charzeropipeline: So, when my console locks 1/3 times I logout of my session, and something dies trying to refresh XDM, is that the fault of xdm, the X server, the X driver, or the hardware driver?
16:33.00pipelinecharzero: As you're using fglrxrlglx, it's almost certainly the X and/or kernel driver.
16:33.04abrotmanwhy are we supporting vista?
16:33.10charzeropipeline: whee.
16:33.17pipelineabrotman: He was trying to get Vista NFS to play nice with Debian NFs.
16:33.23charzeropipeline: thats why there is absolutely no logged output of what went wrong, huh?
16:33.25abrotmanuse samba
16:33.30pipelinecharzero: Of course, if you're using the fantastically ill-devised Framebuffer driver, that could also be the problem.
16:33.32stonedI didn't go to work today, I think I quit.  Worked called me just now, I told em to fuck off
16:33.44pipelinecharzero: The framebuffer driver should *only* be used if you're using XF86 "fbdev".
16:33.44charzeropipeline: no framebuffer support in my kernel. i learned that lesson. (:
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16:34.04h3xisI'm trying to copy a directory with contents totalling 18.9GB to a server through samba. After a while it stops and says "File size limit exceeded". Anyone know how to get around this?
16:34.08nbtpipeline LAME is really slow ;( 40 sec a song
16:34.10jelly-homepipeline: but.... fb gives you the nice penguin on boot!
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16:34.28pipelinenbt: Compared to other mp3 encoders, it *is* really slow.  Xing or gogo would take like, 1/10th the time :P
16:34.35charzeropipeline: any chance the vty system will go away?
16:34.59pipelinecharzero: No.  For every sensible person out there, there's a thousand console cowboys who thinks they're REALLY FUCKING COOL because they use the vty/framebuffer bullshit.
16:35.20alexandreHi, I have 1 sound card, and I should have a sound card from the mother board too. I can't get sound out of the mother board's card. Here is the result of lspci:http://pastebin.com/714995
16:35.26charzeropipeline: I use the console switching, but only because X crashes so often.
16:35.37pipelinecharzero: :\
16:35.41pipelinecharzero: curse ATi.
16:35.55itguruh3xis: from what OS to what OS are u copying?
16:36.17jairmegaspaz: it is a very big difference between the gcc-4.0 and gcc-3.0? or cpp-4.0 and cpp-3.0?
16:36.21h3xisitguru, from debian to slackware
16:36.23blondiedoes the ntfs (read only) driver have any issues?
16:36.30alexandreI can't see the mother board sound card, where the pb could come from ?
16:36.37blondiegetting permission denied errors when root on some files
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16:37.07pipelinealexandre: You must have the thing disabled in the BIOS; I only see one sound card in there, and I really doubt an ESS 1371 is your on-board sound.
16:37.20pipelineblondie: No, the read-only driver is extremely capable and safe.
16:37.27pipelineblondie: I don't think it can read compressed volumes, though.
16:37.33pipelineblondie: And it doesn't support permissions properly
16:37.34charzeropipeline: I curse ATI (and IBM) (and Lenovo) every day.
16:37.43alexandrepipeline: thanks, I 'll have a look in the bios.
16:37.50jaybeepipeline...all set now. thnx for your help. adios all
16:38.02pipelinecharzero: Can't you get 2D support without using the ATI drivers?
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16:38.05blondieI guess they could be compressed
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16:38.22pipelineblondie: the not-supporting-permissions properly issue is that it lets you read *everything*, disregarding permissions :)
16:38.35charzeropipeline: I've tried a few combinations of drivers, this is the only way I can play DVDs and use Google Earth.
16:38.42blondiepipeline: i know, but I'm getting permission denied :P
16:38.51pipelineblondie: I think you need to mount NTFS with correct uid/gid/umask options.
16:39.01blondiepipeline: I'm root...
16:39.07pipelineblondie: That doesn't matter.
16:39.09charzeropipeline: Thanks for your explanations. I think I understand things a bit better now.
16:39.09blondieit's only a handful of files out of thousands
16:39.18blondiepipeline: really
16:39.29pipelinecharzero: That's true -- fglxrxrl is the only way you'll get OpenGL support.  But if it doesn't work worth shit, what good is it?
16:39.45pipelinecharzero: Have you tried Xig?
16:39.50charzeropipeline: Never heard of it.
16:39.59pipelinecharzero: It's a commercial X implementation.
16:40.25pipelinecharzero: They have a time-limited demo.  You install it, and everything works normally, but it dies after an hour or two hours or something.
16:40.41pipelinecharzero: See if they support your card.  The "gold" versions have OpenGL support.
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16:40.49jairdo you know guys, if I install gcc-4.0 and cpp-4.0 in debian sarge who use the versions 3.0 instead, will create problems?
16:40.53pipelinecharzero: (you won't need Xv support to play DVDs if you have OpenGL)
16:41.09pipelinejair: Yes but no.
16:41.34pipelinejair: It won't cause problems in code you write yourself.  You do, however, have to build your kernel modules with the same version of gcc that built the kernel.  Ditto for a lot of packages.
16:41.46pipelinejair: You can install GCC 3.3, 3.4, and 4.0 all side by side, you know.
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16:42.32charzeropipeline: wow, their website sucks.
16:43.06pipelinecharzero: They're a relic of the 90s, back when UNIX desktops actually mattered.
16:43.20pipelinecharzero: I don't even understand how they're in business.
16:43.51astronutcharzero: who?
16:44.01charzeroastronut: who what?
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16:44.18astronutcharzero: 's website
16:44.29charzeroastronut: www.xig.com
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16:46.05redrainI couldn't fint which firmware version I have to install? It says 2.0 not correct firmware for my driver...
16:46.19jairpipeline: I will be using the one from my kernel then to be safe
16:46.24charzeropipeline: Does Xig use the ATI driver? Or did the write their own?
16:46.41jairpipeline: I am trying to have the ISP server running in debian, but the tutorial I am consulting is using ubuntu
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16:47.42pipelinecharzero: Xig does everything themselves.
16:48.22pipelinecharzero: I really liked their product demos, just not enough to shell out 70$ (as I don't give a flying fuck about OpenGL support, anyway -- a slightly nicer X11 isn't worth 70$ to me.)
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16:48.33pipelinejair: I'm sorry, I've forgotten what we're talking about.
16:48.36charzeropipeline: I can't decipher this site. Whare are the differences between Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum?
16:48.49rohanpipeline: mind the language .. you are saying fuck too many times
16:49.17pipelinecharzero: "platinum" is custom stuff.  I don't know what "Silver" does.
16:49.21rohanah, but pipeline is /ignore'ing me :P
16:49.30pipelinecharzero: "Bronze" is just basic support.  "Gold" includes OpenGL.
16:49.47pipelinecharzero: You need a 2.6.15 or 2.6.16 kernel to use Summit 2.2, I should warn you of that...
16:50.14charzeropipeline: I use 2.6.15
16:50.20pipelinecharzero: Problem solved, then.
16:50.41pipelinejair: Oh, now I see.  Use backports.org to get gcc 4.0 for sarge.
16:51.05pipelinejair: If you really need software that new, though, I suggest upgrading to etch... Etch is a beta, mind you, but so is Fedora Core :)
16:51.11pipelinejair: (And ubuntu, for that matter.)
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16:53.24exobyteI just got this error, but I have what follows it in /etc/exports: Blocked attempt of 10.0.0.5 to mount /nfsroot/debian     /nfsroot/debian 10.0.0.5(rw,no_root_squash)
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16:55.25Eulexhmm, anyone got a recommendation on what mailing list software to use?
16:56.02stoneddepends on the features you want, and the useability factor, etc. blah blah
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16:56.11stonedcheck features of some of the more popular ones
16:56.53Eulexheh, ok
16:57.08stonedthere is a mailman
16:57.11stonedhe's pretty cool
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16:58.07jairpipeline: ok I think I will go safe with the tools from sarge without change it and then see what happen.
16:58.48jairpipeline: but thank you, though, what I want to avoid is deal with a beta OS I prefer stable versions.
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16:59.22linux2hey everyone
16:59.29linux2can someone help me with my soundcard
16:59.32linux2i cannot get it to work
16:59.34linux2i installed alsa
16:59.37linux2and ran alsa conf
16:59.45linux2and all seemed to look like it went well
16:59.48linux2but still no sound
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17:00.24rohanlinux2: any errors ? anything of interest in dmesg ?
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17:01.03linux2rohan: nope
17:01.08linux2i know sound works in this comp
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17:01.27linux2i just didn't select "desktop system: durring install like i did before
17:01.41linux2so i ended up with no sound now that i have a gui running
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17:03.03killownas I do to mout cdrom automatically?
17:03.18linux2alsamixer does correctly show info
17:03.29linux2says the card i have
17:03.44linux2it is just that gui apps cannot seem to connect to the sound card
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17:04.05rohanlinux2: try a cli app like mpg321 or something ?
17:04.25linux2rohan: humm nope
17:04.37linux2kde doesn't seem to think that alsa is running
17:04.38linux2but it is
17:04.49Eulexstoned, yeah, I've been considering that one
17:04.54rohanlinux2: try a cli app
17:05.02redrainHi, I've installed ipw2200 and firmware, it seems everything went fine, but ifconfig -a doesn't show wireless card, are there aditional steps I have to follow?
17:05.11itguruis sarge testing or unstable?
17:05.18Eulexredrain, modprobe ipw2200?
17:05.23Eulexitguru, stable.
17:05.30Eulex!releases
17:05.30dpkgi heard releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases.  see <release history> for prior releases.
17:05.32redrainEulex, It was loaded
17:05.36jairhey pipeline I am configuring quotas and I got this message: quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //quota.user was probably truncated. Can't save quota settings...
17:05.47jairwhat exactly that means?
17:05.47itguruEulex: opps!
17:05.59rohanredrain: any errors on dmesg ?
17:06.17itgurudamn, I just upgraded my system to unstable
17:06.29itguruand i need a sarge based system
17:06.35valdyn!alsa
17:06.35dpkgRead http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://alsa-project.org/
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17:06.40valdynlinux2: ^^^
17:06.48killownanyone help me?
17:06.49redrainrohan, ieee80211_crypt_ccmp: disagrees about version of symbol ieee80211_register_crypto_ops
17:07.11rohanredrain: nothing else ?
17:07.27redrainrohan, Nothing, let me see messages
17:07.31rohani wouldn't know whether its a 'fatal' error or no :(
17:07.36valdynredrain: try removing and reloading the relevant modules or just reboot
17:07.55redrainvaldyn, I've rebooted
17:08.32pipelinejair: Well, it IS stable.  At least, it's as stable as other vendors' *releases*.  Debian just doesn't call it a release unless it's guaranteed for a lengthy period of time :)
17:08.40redrainrohan, Jun 17 19:59:19 red-rain kernel: ieee80211_crypt_ccmp: Unknown symbol ieee80211_unregister_crypto_ops
17:08.41maikolwhy does make get this error: token "=" is not valid in preprocessor expressions
17:08.58rohanredrain: yes, you used insmod and not modprobe. just reboot as valdyn says
17:09.06jairpipeline: it is ok, though I am following this tutorial very good. :)
17:09.11rohanafter doing depmod -ae , redrain
17:09.27linux2ok i did what the tutorial said
17:09.30linux2but still no sound
17:09.34linux2it should be working
17:09.43linux2the module is loaded
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17:09.56redrainrohan, As I said I've rebooted, do I have to do again after depmod -ae?
17:09.57tuvwhy cron jobs in /etc/cron.d/ whose user is www-data don't run?
17:09.58rohanlinux2: try a cli app, just to humor me :S
17:10.06valdynlinux2: you need to understand that we need useful technical information like 'aplay some.wav gives me blahblah error message
17:10.12tuvthe same job with a regular user runs fine!
17:10.19linux2rohan: but why. i know the soundcard works in debian
17:10.26linux2cause when i install with desktop apps selected
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17:10.29linux2then it works fine
17:10.30rohanredrain: i dont know if m-a does it automatically, but do that, and just modprobe -r and modprobe the module .. it'd work
17:10.35linux2just now it doesn't want to
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17:10.54rohanlinux2: what error does kde give ? arts is not running ?
17:10.57redrainrohan, only for ipw2200?
17:11.11rohanredrain: yes
17:12.01linux2device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)
17:12.03redrainrohan, ifconfig still gives nothing but sit0 ?
17:12.31valdynlinux2: add your user to the audio group and log out and back in
17:12.34rohanlinux2: ah, have you added yourself to the audio group ?
17:12.44linux2valdyn: ok
17:12.48linux2yeah i do
17:13.09bvsdidn't follow alsa-checklist then :(
17:13.11linux2there is no device in /dev/ called dsp
17:13.18rohan:o
17:13.27omgkthx_alsa-checklist is garbage imo
17:13.29valdyn!alsa 2.6
17:13.29dpkgOn Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit.
17:13.35valdynlinux2: ^^^
17:14.01bvsomgkthx_, atleast it tells you to add your user to the audio group
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17:14.19valdynlinux2: /dev/dsp alsa is not an alsa device, and will only be available if the oss emlation layer is loaded, that's the modules snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss
17:14.44linux2valdyn: ok i will logout and hope it worked
17:16.00tuvwhy cron jobs in /etc/cron.d/ whose user is www-data don't run? the same job with a regular user runs fine!
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17:17.03tuvhmm.. what does this mean: "CRON[28074]: Authentication token is no longer valid; new one required."
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17:18.02bvstuv, password expired?
17:18.35tuvbvs, the user doesn't have a password (x in /etc/passwd). so how can i correct the situation?
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17:19.47blamehow do I check CPU information? such as; clock speed, fsb, socket etc..
17:20.06kyncanibblame: /proc/cpuinfo
17:20.08kyncanii think
17:20.43blamealright thanks
17:22.22MatBoywhat is a good program to rip CD's to MP3 ?
17:22.33rohanamarok does it
17:22.43MatBoyrohan, I have that installed :)
17:23.06rohanor grip
17:23.18rohanor kaudiocreator
17:23.54MatBoyrohan, Amarok is crashing here most of the time
17:24.05rohanMatBoy: strange
17:24.24rohanMatBoy: crashing for what reason ? when you do what ?
17:24.36MatBoyrohan, yes, but I's mostly because it can't load a CD or somthing...
17:24.49rohanMatBoy: ok then use kaudiocreator
17:25.08MatBoyrohan, when I push on "play"  it crashes
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17:25.49rohandunno, works here .. amarok 1.4a on deb sid
17:26.34MatBoy1.4.0 here
17:26.52rohanMatBoy: strange, check the bts or something
17:26.59rohanbut use kaudiocreator or grip for the time being
17:27.00MatBoyok
17:27.30tuvbvs, /etc/shadow look ok too: www-data:*:0:0:99999:7:::
17:27.36maikolanyone compiled the at76c503a driver for the linksys WUSB11 ?
17:27.41blondieis there an official .torrent for testing netinstall iso?
17:28.13blondiedebian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso that is
17:29.08alexandreI can see my sound card using lspci,   what is the next step to have sound ? (I the moment, when playing a CD, no sounds comes out)
17:29.12Arkaicblondie: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/bt-cd/
17:29.14tuvbtw, i get a password-old warning when i su to any system user. i think this is because the system date was too old on install, which i corrected later. but how can resolve this now?
17:30.14blondieArkaic: thanks
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17:32.17mitjaI have a USB mouse, module usbhid loaded and the path is pointing to /dev/input/mice. When I reboot it says cannot open device /dev.../mice. After I manually modprobe mousedev it works. How do I fix this?
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17:34.08MatBoywhen I want to rip a CD to MP3, what codecs do I need to use in kaudiocreator ?
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17:36.06brosioanyone known if there is a script or program in apt that automactly download and INSTALL security updates and mail to the localhost that updates ?
17:36.47MatBoybrosio, I hope you don;t want to do that on servers
17:37.09brosioMatBoy: why ?
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17:37.39MatBoybrosio, You don't want to upgrade a server automaticly. If something goes wrong, you are screwed
17:37.47Arkaicbrosio: you could script that easily, but I just use a cron job for my machine here with the -s option, so I can see what is coming.
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17:37.56Arkaicand then decide
17:38.25Angeli need someones help lol
17:38.43MatBoyAngel, sorry, I don;t do sex on command :p
17:38.43Angeli am dwnloading Slax
17:38.47bvstuv, i don't know what to do really, but it sounds like a pam problem and the fact that your clock was wrong when you installed
17:38.51Angelim a guy
17:38.52Angel:S
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17:39.08MatBoyAngel, gays still exist
17:39.09Angelanyway
17:39.19alexandreAngel: well, you're not getting any help then
17:39.36tuvbvs, ok.. let me try again :)
17:39.40pipelinealexandre: keep in mind that playing CDs is an analogue thing
17:39.47Angeli am dwnloading slax but when i download it, it goes to the WinRAR but i dont know what to do after that
17:39.48pipelinealexandre: You need a special cable from your cd drive to your sound card.
17:39.50blondieMatBoy: don't worry we can't all be perfect ;P
17:39.51Angelcan anyone help me?
17:39.58pipelinealexandre: You can actually plug head phones into the back of your cd drive if you're crazy enough :)
17:40.06blondiepipeline: you do? windows can manage just fine without one
17:40.08ArkaicAngel: tried the Slax forums?  slax != debian
17:40.23alexandrepipeline: connection from cd drive to motherboard is done
17:40.23pipelineblondie: No. *WMP* will play it digitally.
17:40.29pipelineblondie: It's no windows kernel faculty :P
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17:40.35blondiepipeline: as will other programs on windows
17:40.36ArkaicTomas reads the forums for slax regularrly, and is pretty helpful.
17:40.45pipelineblondie: xmms and a few other players on unix will play cds digitally, but that's not what people are usually talking about :P
17:40.46MatBoyblondie, My best friend is Gay, I'm grown up with the knowledge that it;s not strange to be Gay... so I don't think it;s strange, but I'm more to the womanpart for myself :)
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17:41.05tuvon install, the system clock was too old. it's correct now, but su <system-user, e.g. www-data> complains by saying: "You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced), su: Authentication token is no longer valid; new one required." and cron jobs by www-data won't run for the same reason. how can i fix that?
17:41.05Angelshh mattyboi
17:41.15oedivanyone ever used pptp vpn client? (with pon?)
17:41.18pipelineMatBoy: It's certainly strange to be gay.  Something on the order of 1% of the population is homosexual.  That's definitely weird.
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17:41.22blondiepipeline: well I think they should just rip them to vorbis :|
17:41.32blondieMatBoy: ok
17:41.34pipelineMatBoy: Homosexuals are only slightly more common than say, albinism sufferers.  :P
17:41.47blondiepipeline: wrong
17:41.48Angeltry saying that to brighton
17:41.49Angel:S
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17:41.55MatBoy/kick pipeline :)
17:42.08pipelineblondie: Hardly.  Roughly 1 in 75 persons carry the genes for albinism :P
17:42.19alexandrepipeline: do you know how  to find the card number to pass to alsamixer -c X ?
17:42.26blondiepipeline: yes, and a much higher % are ga
17:42.27blondiey
17:42.46pipelineblondie, MatBoy : Homosexual experimentation is quite common.  Dedicated homosexuals with little to no interest in the opposite sex are very unusual, and I would definitely call it "strange."
17:42.47blondieIME anyway; I've net met anyone albino
17:42.58Ronini dont even want to know how this conversation started
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17:43.07pipelinealexandre: Fraid not.  I think there's a file in /sys that will list your alsa cards.
17:43.16thingfishpipeline is a tad mistaken, I think.
17:43.22MatBoypipeline, I think you have to learn a lot about Homosexuals...
17:43.29pipelinealexandre: I would take blondie's suggestion and just play CDs digitally through your primary soundcard.
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17:44.11MatBoypipeline, no a Hetro-sexual woth leather around his body is normal ?? ;)
17:44.18pipelinethingfish, MatBoy : I know, I know, gay rights is the hot issue du jour, but it's really just not that common.  There are decades of surveys to back this one up.  Even people who are interested in the same sex are *very rarely* exclusively so.
17:44.21marco13185anyone know of a good vnc client that allows the use of usernames?
17:44.42MatBoypipeline, very very wrong statement !
17:44.48pipelinemarco13185: ehh, tried tsclient? it's a nice frontend to the regular vnc client, I think it'll prompt then pass the argument for you.
17:44.53robin_szummm, is this alt.sex.weird? or #debian?  take it elsewhere guys.
17:45.01AngelI NEED HELP :(
17:45.02thingfishpipeline: my experience (and I am one of those who you mention that has no attraction whatsoever for members of the opposite sex) suggests we are more common than 1%.
17:45.07blondierobin_sz: how dare you
17:45.17marco13185pipeline, <3
17:45.18pipelinethingfish: Your experience would be hardly typical, eh? :)
17:45.29thingfishpipeline: my experience is typical.
17:45.40pipelinethingfish: ...typical for a very small segment of the population.  :)
17:45.53thingfishI do not know, and have not ever known, many gay men who were even a little attracted to women.
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17:46.14blondiepipeline: sorry but you're just wrong
17:46.23ArkaicAngel: asking about a slax winrar problem, in a debian channel..... lol
17:46.26thingfishthat may be true; I'm certainly not one of those people who thinks everyone is gay deep inside.
17:46.33Arkaicjust use your cd burning app and burn the iso image
17:46.46pipelinethingfish: Bisexuality is strongly discouraged in our society, whereas gay men are accepted.  Folks who are only somewhat interested in the "wrong" sex will suppress it.
17:46.46MatBoythingfish, indeed !! I agree... and there is a lot of difference between Homosexuals and Gays !
17:46.48blondieAngel: go to your GP
17:46.58AngelArkaic
17:47.01Angelpm
17:47.08Arkaicno
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17:47.12alexandrepipeline: I have 2 sound cards. one with speaker, the other with head phone.
17:47.19pipelinealexandre: That seems needlessly complicated.
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17:47.23thingfishpipeline: the people I know don't suppress much of anything.  I think you're just wrong.
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17:47.41alexandrepipeline: Ideally, I would like to be able to switch the output of the cd from one to the other with only 1 click
17:47.43thingfishbut whatever
17:47.45pipelinethingfish: That's fine.  Academia disagrees.  I don't particularly care what you think.
17:47.57thingfishlikewise, certainly.
17:48.01pipelinethingfish: I mean, I care to some extent, or I wouldn't even attempt to persuade you.  But it IS a lazy saturday.
17:48.17pipelinealexandre: Wouldn't it be easier to just use two outputs on one card?
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17:48.24pipelinealexandre: I've never seen a card with fewer than two sound outputs...
17:48.52robin_sztraditionally, soundcards are nto very good at switching outputs on and off
17:49.26blondiealexandre: didn't CDs go out with the stone age?
17:49.28robin_szideally, a voip application should ring on the speakers, but talk onthe headset .. that is rarely possible because soundcardsa re mainly borked inthe switching department
17:49.58pipelinerobin_sz: Learn something every day.
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17:50.29alexandreblondie: be polite with old people. I was a teenager when they were created :-)
17:50.57robin_szpipeline, for example, many phisically disconnect the speaker output when you plug in 'phones ...
17:51.00pipelinethingfish: There's nothing wrong with being in a very small section of the population.  I'm in a lot of small sections of the population, some of them important to my identity.  I try not to let it get to me. :P
17:51.20alexandrepipeline: they are 6 ouput on my sound card, of 6 different colours. I thought only the green one were for sound output ....?
17:51.22pipelinerobin_sz: I've never seen that in my life.
17:51.35pipelinerobin_sz: Every sound card I have has its connectors soldered in place, no solenoids to be seen.
17:51.45pipelinealexandre: *at least* two are sound outputs
17:51.53pipelinealexandre: There's probably a green and a blue, for primary and auxilliary out.
17:52.06pipelinealexandre: with separate volume controls exposed via the alsa mixer, no doubt
17:52.07robin_szsome, infact most of mine, seem to have switching contacts in the sockets
17:52.20pipelinerobin_sz: You must have significantly better sound cards than I do :)
17:52.21blondiepipeline: what do solenoids have to do with it? there's a switch in the socket
17:52.30robin_szblondie, exactly
17:52.40blondieyou push the plug in, and disconnects the switch
17:52.41brosiohow could i set the .bash_history  to 10M ?
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17:52.50robin_szpipeline, no, they are crap, but, that seems to be the way with soundcards
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17:53.26alexandrepipeline: got it. Now, how do I tell debian to stop using the sound card I don't use anymore ?
17:54.25tuvon install, the system clock was too old. it's correct now, but su <system-user, e.g. www-data> complains by saying: "You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced), su: Authentication token is no longer valid; new one required." and cron jobs by www-data won't run for the same reason. how can i fix that?
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18:03.37LinuxHelpHi, how can I install debian, while running DSL-N (knoppix) ?
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18:09.01jairanyone here remember how to change the password on mysql using the command mysqladmin?
18:09.19jairI know this is not mysql but most of the people here use it like me ;)
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18:09.41marculixmysqladmin -u root <old-pwd-here> <new-pwd-here>
18:09.59icebitWhen there will be a new branch of a kernel?
18:10.29dvsicebit: who knows
18:10.39streunericebit: /msg dpkg kernel
18:11.04streunericebit: why do you ask?
18:11.08alexandrethis is my lspci: http://pastebin.com/715146  and alsamixer says: Card: Ensoniq AudioPCI   , which one is it ?
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18:11.46dvsalexandre: let alsaconf figure it out
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18:12.09napoleaowhen I try to install a module using module-assistant it always failed with this message: ? You don't have the compiler that your kernel was built with installed   anyone know how can I solve this?
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18:12.37alexandredvs: what do you mean, I got 2 cards, I'd like to know which  one I am configuring when I do alsamixer
18:12.44streuneralexandre: so you have 2 soundcards?
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18:12.58streuneralexandre: just disable the onboard-chip
18:13.03streunerin BIOS
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18:13.15SlybootsEllo
18:13.18_MatboxHello
18:13.48alexandredvs: I got it, I didn't know alsaconf :/
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18:14.20dvsalexandre: alsamixer should tell you beside "Chip:"
18:14.48SlybootsIm wondering, What is the best way to enable 3d Accel on a Radeon card (Deb Unstable)
18:15.29pipelineSlyboots: WHICH radeon? If it's a R2xx, it's very easy: add "radeon" to /etc/modules; make sure you have libGL installed; make sure you're using the "radeon" X driver.
18:15.38pipelineSlyboots: If it's not an R2xx, your best bet is to give up right now.
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18:15.52SlybootsIts a 9800 :P
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18:16.39MitjaHas debian something like /etc/rc.local ?
18:16.51Mitja!tell me about rc.local
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18:17.43SlybootsRadeon 9800 Pro
18:18.11alexandredvs: I runned alsaconf, but CD is still not playing . How can I test the setting ?
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18:19.15dvsalexandre: Does the CD player looks like it's playing the CD?
18:20.18SlybootsThere are one on the offical site, but RPM only.. Debian wont convert it with Alien though
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18:21.16alexandredvs: using KsCD yes. And when I speak into the microphone it is outputed in the speaker
18:22.40dvsalexandre: Then you either need a CD audio cable or play the CD digitally.
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18:23.03alexandredvs: how do I play it digitally ?
18:23.19dvsalexandre: Should be an option in some players
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18:23.59alexandredvs: thanks for your help
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18:24.13dvsalexandre: you're welcome
18:24.51SlybootsAnyone know how I enable 3d accel on a Radeon card? Its pretty crap running X unaccelrated
18:25.09pipelineSlyboots: You're fucked.  Give up.  It's not worth your time to fool with it.
18:25.24tonsofpcsSlyboots: http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html
18:25.24pipeline!praytojesus
18:25.32SlybootsWell that was well worth installinug linux then wasnet it
18:25.43brosiohow could i store the output of whoami into a basha variable ?
18:25.52Slybootstonsofpcs, Debian wont install them RPM
18:26.13pipelineSlyboots: Pretty much, I guess.  It's not like the debian box said "SUPPORTS RADEON 9800" on the outside.
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18:26.36tonsofpcsSlyboots: did you do what they said to do?
18:26.45Covenerbrosio: FOO=`whoami`
18:26.57pipelineSlyboots: The ATI proprietary drivers are *bad*.
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18:27.19Slybootstonsofpcs, They *wont* install
18:27.26SlybootsYou cant convert them with alien either
18:27.32tonsofpcsSlyboots: you tried using that installer package?
18:27.45brosiothx
18:27.48CovenerI thought lots of people had success with the proprietary driver, outside of suspend
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18:29.01CovenerSlyboots: isn't fglrx packaged natively?
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18:30.19SlybootsWhat is fglrx?
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18:30.27apfelWhat's the debian way to set up postgresql such that it listens on port 5432?
18:30.38pipelineCovener, Slyboots: The proprietary ATI driver that doesn't work well.  And it is indeed packaged under contrib.
18:30.49pipelineapfel: You edit the configuration file and restart it, just like it says in the documentation :P
18:31.55humboldtdoes anyone know a app (GUI or WebGUI, OSS or proprietary) for keeping track of IP subnets, and IP devices in them. Something where you would create a master subnet and then can devide it in smaller pieces and keep information to any IP in these subnets, search for the IPs, subnets and info stored to them, ...
18:32.07mirakmy hard drive was on sleep during reboot, and it seems linux didn't created a device for it
18:32.19mirakis there a way to probe again ide ports ?
18:32.30pipelinemirak: Not a reliable way.  Reboot again :\
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18:32.54apfelpipeline: Could you maybe give me a hint on the filename? postgresql.conf contains an entry "port = 5432" but I don't know the other settings I need, apparently.
18:33.53tuvhow do i update the date of last password change (shown in passwd -S) for a passwordless account?
18:34.07pipelineapfel: No.  Read the documentation.  It's like the first thing they go over.  It's probably listening on port 5432 and simply refusing connections for security reasons.
18:34.56LinuxHelpHow do you unzip a .deb file?
18:35.06apfelpipeline: netstat didn't list it. But I thin I got it. tcpip_socket has to be true
18:35.09pipelineLinuxHelp: dpkg --extract-only
18:35.15LinuxHelpthx
18:36.29LinuxHelppipeline, what if dpkg doesnt work? I'm looking for something like gunzip x.deb..
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18:38.10tuvare all system users passwordless?
18:38.12CovenerLinuxHelp: google knows how to use ar to unpack a deb
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18:38.37LinuxHelpCovener, sorry no ar
18:40.50CovenerLinuxHelp: That's how the tarballs are stored, maybe you can figure out offsets/lengths yank it out w/ some tool you have
18:41.04mirakso there is no way to restart a ide probing sequence ?
18:41.16tuvhow do i update the date of last passwd change (shown in passwd -S) for system users?
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18:42.42LinuxHelpAny1 know how to use debootstrap from within DSL?
18:42.48alexandreKAudioCreator had: "error encoding (wav)" what can I do?
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18:44.28Covenerlitage: maybe you want debtakeover?
18:44.40Covenerlitage: oops, meant for LinuxHelp
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18:46.17jahshuahello everyone i have just done a netinstall and its telling me that commands like less and file are not found.. can anyone please help me out with this? im perplexed.
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18:46.36pipelinejahshua: less and file aren't installed.
18:46.42pipelinejahshua: 'more' should be, though
18:47.03jahshuaoh wow
18:47.04jahshuaok
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18:47.16jahshuawhat do i need to get to install them
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18:48.38pipelinejahshua: Nothing.  You have apt installed already.  apt will fetch and install them for you.
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18:49.59draskohi all. What is the difference between xfree86 an xorg server?
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18:50.49obscurexorg is a fork of xfree86
18:50.57pipelinedrasko: X.org is more rapidly developed.  Xfree86 has fewer bugs.
18:51.01obscurei'd dare to say its more unstable
18:51.06obscurexfree86 is rock solid
18:51.13draskoso, whichone to use?
18:51.20obscuredepends on your needs
18:51.30dvsdrasko: depends on your version of Debian
18:51.52draskoobscure, I am trying to install cinelerra
18:51.59draskodvs, Sarge
18:52.17obscurego with xfree86
18:52.25dvs!info cinelerra sarge
18:52.44draskodvs?
18:53.08obscuredvs if a package doesnt exist in debian, doesnt mean someone cant use it
18:53.29dvsdrasko: sarge has xfree86 packages
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18:53.51draskoobscure, but cinelerra asked for some libs that seems to depend on xorg
18:53.59obscurewhat libs are these
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18:54.10nexishas anyone had a issue with upgrading python on unstable?
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18:56.05draskoI just installed xorg and cinelerra seems to be working...
18:56.15draskoJust hope it was not a misstake...
18:56.26obscurewhats your problem then
18:57.06DerJamsternexis: yeahm but it's fixed.
18:57.09draskoobscure, just wanted to check if I can choose xorg to be my X server and not to mess up something
18:57.15DerJamsternexis: do an apt update and try again
18:57.54nexisehh, using dpkg with force i managed to get it fixed
18:58.11nvzshame on me, I am teaching amatures how to do mischevious things on the internet
18:58.15nexisi was just wondering if it was a issue that i was having, or if it was a issue that a lot of people were having.
18:58.51ftnexis: well, check the BTS for problems others had before
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19:00.30AndurilI am about to install a solution for suspend/hibernate. Any recommendations?
19:01.16Gnea!suspend
19:01.16dpkg[suspend] check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!)
19:01.34blondiegrrr
19:01.46Gneameow?
19:01.56ftAnduril: i got suspend2 running with the hibernate script. works like a charm.
19:02.02Anduril!hibernate
19:02.38Gneablondie: heh, i just toilet-trained my cat :P
19:02.43Andurilft: I have looked at that. Maybe I should try  with that.
19:02.59AndurilGnea: Thanks for the tips
19:03.06GneaAnduril: no problem
19:03.38blondieo.O
19:03.45blondiex.x
19:03.59thingfishheh
19:04.01pipelineGnea: congratulations...?
19:04.03Gneals: command not found
19:04.21Gneapipeline: better in the bathroom than on clothes ;)
19:04.24Andurilft: Did you have to modify/adjust it or did it work without any fuzz?
19:04.32thingfishoh gosh
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19:05.57ftAnduril: um, i patched my kernel (though i think there's a debian package for it), installed the script and configured it. quite straight forward, i'd say...
19:06.10LinuxHelpwhere do I download unstable netinstall cd's?
19:06.24ftLinuxHelp: those don't exist.
19:06.39LinuxHelpft, so how do I install unstable?
19:06.51LinuxHelp^^ what are my options?
19:07.04LinuxHelpBecause debian.org only seems to list stable
19:07.10nexisLinuxHelp, your best bet is to grab a installer disk for 3.1 (stable)
19:07.16ftno offence, but are you sure that you want to run unstable, if you don't know how to install it?
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19:07.19LinuxHelpnexis, got that
19:07.32LinuxHelpft, I'm sure
19:07.35nexisinstall that, then change your apt sources to run unstable, but in all reality, if you dont know how to do that, unstable is not something you want to run.
19:07.45nexisi sugest you try testing first.
19:07.56ftthe normal procedure would be to install a minimal stable and upgrade.
19:08.01Andurilft: I have read that many use nvram wakeup. Any experience with that? My motherboard was not supported and it seemed a little risky to write to nvram if I'm not 100% sure where it writes.
19:08.14LinuxHelpnexis, unfortunately, I my stable is 3.1r1, which has kernel 2.4, which did a kernel panic on first boot
19:08.38ftLinuxHelp: you can install stable with a 2.6 kernel, too
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19:08.47LinuxHelpft, where do I find that?
19:08.47ftread the installation instructions.
19:08.51ft:)
19:09.04LinuxHelpft, lol where do I find the installation instructions?
19:09.10ftor hit <F1> on the bootprompt.
19:09.14ftwww.debian.org
19:09.17LinuxHelpoh
19:09.23ftAnduril: nope, no idea.
19:09.24LinuxHelpI know that F1 thing
19:09.41ftLinuxHelp: and the F2 thing?
19:09.44LinuxHelpft, so you are sure that 3.1r1 has 2.6 built in?
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19:09.50ftI am.
19:10.05LinuxHelpft, so strange.. anyway thx
19:10.12nexis3.1r1 had a 2.6 kernel right, boot with linux26 as the commandline
19:10.29pollywoghpoj setup is not finding my usb printer... any ideas why?  I can't scan but I can print
19:10.31nexisLinuxHelp, when it first shows up, enter linux26 at the boot: line
19:10.38nexispollywog, what printer?
19:10.40LinuxHelpnexis got it
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19:10.51pollywogHP PSC 2110 printer
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19:10.59pollywogall-in-one printer
19:11.00nexisusb?
19:11.03SupranoHi
19:11.04pollywogyes usb
19:11.09nexisit shows up on lsusb right?
19:11.24pollywogno it is not showing up
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19:11.44pollywogbut I can print
19:12.10LinuxHelpnexis, oh actually, whats the best way to install testing? (just curious)
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19:12.22pollywogI am a jackass
19:12.32pollywogI connected it to the wrong computer
19:12.35nexisLinuxHelp, install a basic version of stable, then upgrade
19:12.43nexispollywog, that was going to be my next question
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19:12.52SupranoMy X server starts without loading my window-manager ion3, and on booting, no xserver starts, i need to start in manually. before the update to 2.6 started at least the xserver with ion3 ...
19:13.03pollywogsorry folks I should have checked that first
19:13.16LinuxHelpnexis, so when do I "stop", ie what constitutes basic? (my cd is +- 100MB 3.1r1)
19:13.47pollywogI will try to configure it where it is rather than change to this machine   :)
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19:14.02nexisLinuxHelp, when it asks you what areas you want to install ie webserver, mail server, desktop, dont select anything
19:14.05nexisand let it do its thing
19:14.22nexisthen when it reboots, change the apt-sources to testing, apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
19:14.27nexisthen run tasksel select what you want.
19:14.30LinuxHelpnexis, so I must quit "aptitude" as soon as I see it>
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19:14.58nexisi dont think it will pop up as long as you dont check to install individual packages
19:15.01christoris there american people here?
19:15.21nexisbut im sugesting aginst it, or at least sugesting you read the manual before you try
19:15.24streunerchristor: why?
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19:15.40nexischristor, yea, im american, whats up?
19:15.43Immortal[Gather-I know this isn't #egghelp but no one is responding in that channel and I was wondering if anyone might be able to help me with a quick question.
19:15.51christorthere is a soccer match at the TV
19:15.56nexisImmortal[Gather-, let me join over there
19:16.11pollywogchristor: and the US is losing?
19:16.20pollywogthe US team is losing?
19:16.21christorpollywog: nono not agian
19:16.26nexisi dont own a tv.
19:16.54christorthat the better win ( but I think Italia is more strong)
19:16.55pollywogdoes anyone besides christor watch sports?
19:17.04llvllatrixyup
19:17.11nexisi like to watch volleyball, but for other reasons.
19:17.23pollywognexis: yeah I'm with you there
19:17.37pollywogI like the sand and water
19:17.42nexistenis can be good.
19:17.46pollywogI meant beach volleyball
19:17.54christorpollywog: I prefer beach and girl :P
19:18.22pollywogmen's volleyball is missing something, I agree
19:18.50nexisafter a little under a month of playing with it, i finaly got my optical out to work correctly, now i can really enjoy my music.
19:18.51pollywogbut I didn't think many ppl here were sports fans
19:19.06llvllatrixI have a bugserver setup on a machine. How do I get it to forward emails properly? pop3/ smtp server?
19:19.09christorpollywog: yes I saw that :s
19:19.17nexisi never said i was a sports fan, i just like to watch woman's female volleyball
19:19.27pollywognexis: ahh
19:19.38nexiserr, woman's beach volleyball even.
19:21.28nexisgod i hate this new keyboard i have.
19:22.35streuneritaly vs. US 1:0
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19:25.19Tritonwould rm -rf /dir/dir delete that directory and all the files in it?
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19:25.54streunerTriton: read man rm, if you not sure just use 'mc'
19:26.18streunerrm is very powerful command, so use it carefully
19:26.31Tritonim not really using it, im doing it through a php exec() command, and kind of only have 1 shot
19:27.11Tritoni accidentally make about half a million 5kb files on my godaddy account and ftp wants to delete them one at a time
19:27.13nexisstreuner, dd can be much more destructive then rm
19:27.35nexisTriton, your best off to read man rm
19:27.37christor1-0 for Italia (just FYI)
19:27.38pollywogthat reminds me I need to find a cartoon about godaddy online
19:27.40streunernexis: man sledgehammer is more effective :-P
19:27.47ftchristor: that
19:27.53ft's old already ;)
19:27.55Tritonagain, i dont have man
19:27.59streunerchristor: 1:1 actually
19:28.06nexisha, i got to find the picture of me taking out my frustration on a dell.
19:28.12pollywogI think it's in Linux Magazine but I want to find it on the Internet
19:28.16streunerargh, italian guy gets red card :-)
19:28.27pollywogred card?
19:28.37streunerhe is off now
19:28.38pollywogis that good for a sandwich?
19:28.41pollywogoh
19:28.49christorarf sorry I m not in front of the match ( internet stream :( )
19:28.55christorso I ahve to go
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19:28.57christorbye all
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19:30.00Andrukdo i need to update my sources.list after i upgraded to etch?
19:30.11streunerbefore
19:30.16pollywogyes Andruk
19:30.23TritonITS GONE! thank god
19:30.25Andrukto what?
19:30.51pollywogAndruk I usually just change the "sarge" to "etch"
19:30.57pollywogthat usually works
19:31.00Andrukok, cool, thx
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19:34.20unstableWhat is a good tool to monitor networks(what ips/ports/how much data) is being sent on 30 boxes?
19:34.45unstableI was thinking nagios or cacti, but I don't know if either of those do detailed networking logs, I know they do indepth processes/ram/cpu/box health etc
19:34.57Andurilft: If I understand correctly, the hibernate package works with ACPI, in-built suspend as well as suspend2?
19:35.53sepskiunstable, check munin  it might do some of what you ask
19:35.54unstableAnduril: If you want to hibernate; apt-get install acpid; then you need to compile your kernel with suspend2 support
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19:36.11sepskiunstable, define "detailed network logs"
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19:36.28unstable!tell Anduril about suspend2
19:36.30ftAnduril: yes, i think hibernate can operate with various suspend variants.
19:36.57unstablesepski: some of the things I listed, basically what ip/ports are being used, what tcp/ip protocols, destination/source
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19:37.00unstablepossibly how much data
19:37.10pollywoghas anyone seen the cartoon about godaddy switching from Linux to Microsoft server to be more secure?  I don't recal what magazine I saw it in
19:37.12unstableie, 30 megs(about) of data was sent from this ip, and 2 megs received.
19:37.16Andurilunstable: If it is possible I do not want to compile/patch the kernel
19:37.29unstableAnduril: not possible
19:37.29sepskiunstable, i use ipfm for the amounth logging
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19:37.33ftAnduril: i'm using it exclusively with suspend2, though.
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19:37.40unstableAnduril: not with a stock debian kernel at least
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19:38.01unstableAnduril: I think you could grab an ubuntu kernel or something. But that wouldn't be covered under this channel and isn't recommended.
19:38.08unstableIt's "Not the Debian Way"(tm)
19:38.18ftthere is the "kernel-patch-suspend2" package
19:38.33charzerounstable: "The Debian Way" is not trademarked, but "Not the Debian Way" is?!
19:38.41Andurilunstable: No, that seems like asking for trouble for me
19:38.42ftthat should provide suspend2 for debian stock kernels, afaik.
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19:38.59pollywogthat is like "it's not a good thing"
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19:39.10unstablecharzero: I dunno I made up that trademark
19:39.41seb-can i do a simple sid backuport of kernel and udev?
19:40.25unstablesepski: "amounth"?
19:40.34Andurilft: Couldn't find kernel-patch-suspend2 with apt
19:40.55pollywogwouldn't it be better to compile a Debian kernel than to try an Ubuntu one?
19:41.04unstableyes
19:41.06sepskiunstable, MB transfered in the last polling period
19:41.24ftAnduril: oops, that in experimental only, sorry :-/
19:41.43Andurilft: OK, no problem
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19:42.32ftAnduril: it could work with sarge kernels, though.
19:42.56yassinedoes this looks wrong ? : if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then    PATH=~/bin:/opt/www/jdk15/bin:/opt/www/ant-1.6.5/bin"${PATH}"fi
19:43.00ftAnduril: This kernel patch applies to the following Debian kernel versions: 2.6.8, 2.6.10, 2.6.11, 2.6.12"
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19:43.31facekreamhello
19:43.31facekreami need help with debian
19:43.38facekreamevery time i install it it goes and tries to download child pornography
19:43.38facekreami asked the devs about that and they insisted it was a feature and not a bug
19:43.40facekreamcan anyone help?
19:43.42ftAnduril: I don't use it myself, so you're off on your own :)
19:43.45stoned<PROTECTED>
19:43.51stonedfacekream, troll
19:44.02stoned!ops facekream is trolling
19:44.03dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: stoned complains about: facekream is trolling
19:44.04facekreamstoned: i can see why you use debian
19:44.07facekreambut i dont want CP
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19:44.13facekreamcan you tell me how to disable this "feature"
19:44.20amphifacekream: the devs were correct
19:44.51stonedamphi, do not feed the troll please
19:45.34facekreamamphi: well can you recommend a linux distro that doesn't download child pornography?
19:45.44amphifacekream: no
19:45.51ftamphi: just /ignore
19:45.53facekreami guess i'll have to go back to windows then
19:46.00pollywogdo that
19:46.01Gneafacekream: debian downloads kiddy porn? explain.
19:46.09stonedGnea, dont' man
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19:46.13facekreamGnea: every time i install it it goes and tries to download child pornography
19:46.17facekreami asked the devs about that and they insisted it was a feature and not a bug
19:46.18stonedthis is disturbing shit, not entertaining at all
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19:46.32Gneafacekream: how do you know?
19:46.48stonedGnea, I get it
19:46.52facekreamGnea: well i saw several wget processes retreiving files from a ukrainian ftp server
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19:47.01abrotmanyou guys are getting trolled .. come on
19:47.01facekreamand when i looked at the images they were cp
19:47.03stonedbtw, crab rangoons are fattening as all hell, but damn yummy
19:47.06nexislilo, how about you /kill facekream ?
19:47.07Gneafacekream: what spawned them?
19:47.18facekreamGnea: i don't know, but they started seconds after the install
19:47.18amphistoned: disturbing? it's just retarded
19:47.24abrotmana mother and father troll ?
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19:47.29stonedamphi, and that as well
19:47.44facekreami think it was in the debian init scripts
19:47.46Gneafacekream: well if you don't know, then you don't have a justified reason for complaining about something that you yourself typed, likely.
19:47.56facekreamno
19:47.57nexisGnea, ignore him, he is just trolling.
19:48.01facekreami did not type anything like that Gnea
19:48.04stonednexis, wait...
19:48.06facekreami'm not trolling
19:48.11abrotmanyes .. you are
19:48.15facekreamdebian needs to be held accountable for downloading cp onto my pc
19:48.16Gneafacekream: how do you know they're cp anyhow?
19:48.21Gneafacekream: did you look at them?
19:48.28facekreamGnea: of course
19:48.29unstable!ops /lastlog facekream (troll/gnaa)
19:48.30dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: unstable complains about: /lastlog facekream (troll/gnaa)
19:48.32Gneafacekream: but it didn't.
19:48.33abrotmani'd arrest him for looking at child porn :)
19:48.47stonedthis is a huge allegation, though it is false, it should be even be entertainend, and he should be put on ban, thats just my opinion though
19:48.51facekreamabrotman: i deleted the images and wiped the hard drive with norton afterwards
19:48.53Andurilft: Does it support wake-on-timer?
19:48.57Gneafacekream: you're going to need to bring solid proof forward, not just your word, which means nothing.
19:48.58stonedit should not*
19:49.03facekreami'm not a troll
19:49.09abrotmanfacekream: good job .. now you can live in peace .. and leave us in peace
19:49.11stonedsolid proof then, provide it
19:49.13Gneafacekream: then you have no proof and you are thus a troll.
19:49.15facekreami asked a developer and he just shrugged it off
19:49.18Gnea!troll facekream
19:49.20facekreami dont know if he thought i was lying or not
19:49.26abrotmanGnea: removed .. yay PP
19:49.30Gneafacekream: oh i know you're lying.
19:49.35facekreambut someone has put a cp download script into the latest unstable installer
19:49.37unstablelilo: You here? /lastlog facekream (troll/gnaa)
19:49.44Gneafacekream: prove it.
19:49.45stonedgnaa?
19:49.50facekreamGnea: well go download it yourself
19:49.53abrotmanstoned: ask google .. we've been over this
19:49.58stonedwe have, ok
19:50.03stonedmy memory is shot anyway
19:50.04abrotmanthere is no unstable installer .. there .. proven troll
19:50.06Gneafacekream: no need, just tell me which component does it.
19:50.06stoned!gnaa
19:50.07dpkg[gnaa] a bunch of known #debian trolls. If anyone from the gnaa shows up, please invoke !ops
19:50.08facekreamstoned: i heard that some debian developers were in the gnaa
19:50.09ftAnduril: iff it does, i don't use it, see <http://www.suspend2.net/> for a feature list.
19:50.09stonedoh
19:50.10stonedok
19:50.26facekreamGnea: well i would cat the init script but i deleted the OS after i got the CP on my computer
19:50.29facekreamand i smashed the cd
19:50.33facekreamand deleted the ISO
19:50.38stonedhahaha
19:50.41abrotmansomegeek: ping
19:50.51nexisfacekream, we know your full of crap, because there is no unstable installer
19:50.52Gneafacekream: then you went about doing it the wrong way. we cannot help you. go elsewhere now.
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19:50.58facekreamnexis: i meant testing
19:51.08facekreami'm trying to give you guys a heads up
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19:51.16facekreamsome troll has put a CP downloader in the debian installer
19:51.20facekreamsomeone has infiltrated debian
19:51.21Gneaa heads-up to bullshit.
19:51.21abrotmangood for them ..
19:51.23Andurilft: I think it will need to write to the nvram for that. So if my motherboard is not supported it is similar to nvram wakeup
19:51.31goronThe group users is meant to include every human user of the system, right?
19:51.37abrotmanyes
19:51.39stonedyes
19:51.44Gneafacekream: again, you need to prove it. otherwise you are nothing but a lying sack of shit.
19:51.45facekreami was idling in #gnaa a few hours ago and they were laughing about it
19:51.50abrotmanhah
19:51.59Gneayeah, i can see why :)
19:52.05facekreamthey have some spy working in debian
19:52.13Gneawho?
19:52.13ftAnduril: i have no idea, sorry.
19:52.15nexisfacekream, noone has infected the installer, i just infected yours, because i thought it would be funny, and im sorry.
19:52.23pollywogfacekream: even so you had to try this alleged installer anyway?
19:52.35pollywogeven after being told about it?
19:52.43facekreamnexis: is this true? if so you could be arrested easily
19:52.50facekreampollywog: no that was after i installed it
19:52.51abrotmanso arrest him
19:52.52nexisplease, send the cops to arrest me.
19:52.56stoneddo not entertain his piss taking jives, please
19:52.57goronabrotman: In my setup the users where not a member of users by default. Is that how it is supposed to be?
19:52.57abrotmanxsdg: ping
19:53.01stonedignore this idiot
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19:53.05facekreamstoned: i'm serious
19:53.06Gneafacekream: you haven't pasted a single line of code that backs you up.
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19:53.08facekreami know it sounds like a troll
19:53.10nexisive been out of jail for 9 hours now, and i want to go back, im scarea bout the outside.
19:53.11facekreambut this really happened
19:53.20abrotmanLoRez: ping
19:53.22facekreamthis is serious
19:53.26stonedabrotman, what are you doing?
19:53.28facekreamit could be disasterous for the debian project
19:53.32pollywogfacekream: just download your isos from some other place
19:53.36facekreami want someone to inspect the current install isos
19:53.36abrotmanstoned: waking up staff :)
19:53.40stonedabrotman, oh
19:53.45facekreampollywog: no, from debian's ftp servers
19:53.53facekreamjust two days ago
19:54.02facekreamand now i'm in #gnaa and #bantown
19:54.07facekreamand they're talking about it
19:54.11facekreamand how they "ruined" debian
19:54.13Gnea!ops facekream is the troll of trolls: 12:43 < facekream> i need help with debian 12:43 < facekream> every time i install it it goes and tries to download child pornography
19:54.13dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: gnea complains about: facekream is the troll of trolls: 12:43 < facekream> i need help with debian 12:43 < facekream> every time i install it it goes and tries to download child pornography
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19:54.31Gneafacekream: what's the URL on debian's ftp servers?
19:54.38facekreamGnea: hold on
19:54.50Gneafacekream: no need, you should have it already.
19:54.52nexisftp://ftp.debian.org/installer/child/porn/testing/installer.iso ?
19:55.00GneaLMFAO
19:55.05abrotmanalindeman: can you just kick him .. please?
19:55.07facekreamyes nexis
19:55.07stonednexis, dude, stop
19:55.10facekreamthat's the one nexis
19:55.16facekreamlol
19:55.16facekreamwait
19:55.17facekreamno
19:55.22facekreamnot in /child/porn
19:55.25abrotmanworst troll .. ever
19:55.28Gneafacekream: i asked you, not nexis.
19:55.31facekreambut it's the etch installer
19:55.36facekreamlatest etch installer
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19:55.46Gneafacekream: so it's the unstable installer?
19:55.48nexisim going to ignore him now, sorry for feeding the trolls.
19:55.50facekreamhttp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
19:55.51facekreamthis is the one
19:55.51pollywogfacekream: did you check the md5sum?
19:55.58facekreampollywog: no i didn't
19:56.03facekreammaybe someone hacked it
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19:56.11Gneafacekream: but you said it downloads CP from the debian ftp server.
19:56.16facekreamno i didn't
19:56.20stonedno he didn't
19:56.21florghi, how can i display the exit code of a shell command?
19:56.22facekreamit installs cp from an ukranian server
19:56.32abrotmanflorg: read the man page for the shell
19:56.39ftecho $?
19:56.47Gneafacekream: what ukranian server?
19:56.48stonedman bash
19:56.50facekreami got the install iso from cdimage.debian.org however
19:56.52abrotmandepends on the shell i believe
19:56.53stonedor whichever shell
19:57.08facekreamGnea: i didn't record the address, i was too busy deleting CP from my computer
19:57.10Gneafacekream: get it again, find the code, and point it out.
19:57.15fti think POSIX shells do support $?
19:57.21Gneafacekream: then you are a liar.
19:57.28facekreamGnea: i'll do that, but i think someone in higher authority should take a look too
19:57.34jelly-homeany ops around?
19:57.39abrotmanyou should prove it .. proof of burden on you
19:57.41facekreamsince nobody believes it when i say it
19:57.41abrotmanjelly-home: yeah right ..
19:57.44stonedfacekream, you are bring a potential network ban against you, I implore you to stop.  Come back with solid proof.
19:57.47Gneafacekream: we will determine if a higher authority is required.
19:57.57robin_szmmm ... well lets not be too hasty
19:58.00stonedgoing to bring*
19:58.09abrotmanrobin_sz: bullshit .. it's a troll . no ops .. no staff
19:58.10Gneafacekream: of course not. you're just saying it without any solid proof.
19:58.23Gnearobin_sz: STFU, he's a troll.
19:58.37facekreamguys, the proof is in #gnaa
19:58.39facekreamthey are talking about it
19:58.45facekreami was just idling there an hour ago
19:58.45stonedfacekream, no one is going to take this serious of an allegation against debian without any proof.  Without proof, you have no grounds to say anything, no matter what the case maybe
19:58.45abrotmanrobin_sz: tell you what .. you msg facekream .. and you two work it out ..
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19:58.53robin_szno thanks
19:58.55tarzeauman is MSN down?
19:59.02abrotmanwho cares?
19:59.03facekreamand they are all like "lol those debian guys are so dumb we put cp on their server" and stuff
19:59.09tarzeauabrotman: I care
19:59.09Gnea!ops for the last bloody time, facekream is trolling, offtopic, and trying to get people to /join #gnaa
19:59.09dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: gnea complains about: for the last bloody time, facekream is trolling, offtopic, and trying to get people to /join #gnaa
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19:59.11jelly-home!plonk
19:59.12dpkgwell, plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker."
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19:59.17charzerotarzeau: i keep getting kicked from msn messenger (with gaim)
19:59.18facekreamgo in #gnaa now they are talking about it some more!
19:59.32stonedabout time
19:59.35abrotmanthank you staff
19:59.35tarzeaucharzero: use the real Microsoft Messenger on Microsoft Windows!
19:59.36Gneabam.
19:59.37robin_szphew
19:59.38abrotmanwhichever it was
19:59.40Gnea!beer lilo
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19:59.45tarzeaucharzero: amsn also supports the animated pictures btw and cam!
20:00.00stonedtarzeau, how does it compare with say kopete?
20:00.16stonedin the msn dept. that is
20:00.20tarzeaustoned: no idea, starts faster. kopete is slow w/o KDE
20:00.20abrotmankopete uses the gaim libraries iic
20:00.22abrotmaniirc
20:00.31abrotmantarzeau: that's because you have to start KDE to run it :)
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20:00.46stonedit starts very fast here, because I have kde
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20:00.53pollywogabrotman: really?  I thought you just needed KDE libs
20:01.03abrotmanpollywog: i'm joking .. but you hve to load up all the libraries
20:01.14tarzeauneuro_damage: WTF?
20:01.17tarzeaunexis:
20:01.17robin_szimagine I had exim and say, sqwebmail installed from debs
20:01.24nexistarzeau ?
20:01.29robin_szthen I installed sqwebmail from source
20:01.32tarzeauabrotman: what happened to these people? what did lilo do?
20:01.38robin_szas in source source
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20:01.53robin_sznow I wanna get rid of exim (because I have Qmail
20:02.01abrotmantarzeau: bad troll
20:02.06stonedtarzeau, it was a person, trolling about child pron... etc. serious allegations against debian, and its developers.  he was gotten rid of
20:02.07robin_szbut it wants to remove sqwebmail too
20:02.09stonedby who, I dunno
20:02.11nexisfacekream has quit (K-lined) <-- troll from hell
20:02.11tarzeauabrotman: ah..
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20:02.21abrotmanno .. he was a pretty bad troll
20:02.23tarzeaustoned: do you still have the nickname?
20:02.28stonedys
20:02.29stonedyes
20:02.32tarzeaustoned: what was it?
20:02.36abrotmantarzeau: he just showed you
20:02.39nexisrobin_sz, did you install qmail from source, or from the debian source package?
20:02.39tarzeauabrotman: was it a GNAA friend?
20:02.40stonedtarzeau, facekream>
20:02.42abrotmanduh
20:02.47robin_sznexis, source
20:03.10nexisyou will have to register it with dpkg so it knows you have a mail agent installed, but i forget how to do that
20:03.28robin_szhmmm
20:03.37nexissomone in here can provide that information im sure.
20:03.47robin_szthtas what I was hoping
20:03.56jelly-homerobin_sz, nexis: equivs?
20:03.58stonedI run nullmailer, why, don't ask me
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20:04.28robin_szI seem to remember everytime I tried to remove exim it tried to uninstall half the universe, so I just left it and blatted over the top
20:04.29nexisjelly-home, ill let you help robin, im way to hung over to think.
20:05.01robin_szsigh ... actually, it was so long ago ...
20:05.22jelly-homerobin_sz: you either want to install qmail "the debian way", or create a fake mail-transport-agent with equivs. /msg dpkg equivs
20:05.34robin_szit was 212 packages out of date ... now its less than 40, so its better
20:05.46abrotman!qmail
20:05.46dpkghmm... qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem.   for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html
20:06.26robin_szI sort of hate qmail .. but with 50 domians on vpopmail, I see no other alternative
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20:06.52abrotmanpostfix?
20:06.53ihmSelbsthi all
20:06.55jelly-homewhat's that "spread throughout the system" bull in that factoid?
20:07.12robin_szummm
20:07.27nexisi perfer sendmail
20:07.36robin_szqmail has some weird paths, but most of the shit ends up in /var/vpopmail/domains
20:07.38MatBoyqmail is very good
20:07.42MatBoypostfix also !
20:07.43nexisyour not a real admin untill you can hash out a sendmail.cf from scratch, and make it work.
20:07.53ColdFyrec
20:07.58ihmSelbsti want to change conky, but i don't find the config (~/.conky) file.... can you help me ?
20:07.58MatBoyI liked postfix the most, but qmail is very very powerfull
20:08.01robin_szqmail is broken in a real bad way, but it does work welll with vpopmail
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20:08.19nexisrobin_sz, postfix works well with vpopmail
20:08.30robin_szpostfix?
20:08.36robin_szis that an MTA?
20:08.38nexisand there are other solutions then vpopmail that provide the same function.
20:08.40MatBoyBut postfix is very difficult to setup
20:08.53robin_szit HAS to be vpopmail
20:08.57nexisMatBoy, i agree, tried to migrate from sendmail to postfix, but i gave up.
20:09.09ihmSelbstno one can help me? :(
20:09.13nexisrobin_sz, why do you HAVE to have vpopmail?
20:09.17MatBoynexis, indeed ! but so powerfull postfix !
20:09.37robin_szbecause I have 50 domains with in totall 5000 users with vpopmail accounts ...
20:09.40robin_sznext
20:09.55Gneawell, the way things are going, dovecot will be the next vpopmail
20:10.04nexisihmSelbst, your best bet would to be /join #conky
20:10.09Gneaand it's compatible with exim4 and postfix
20:10.18ihmSelbstthere is nobody ...
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20:10.37nexisok, ill try to help you out some, your trying to edit the config options, is there anything in /etc or /usr/local/etc ?
20:10.52ihmSelbsti look.. mom
20:10.59robin_szqmail is probably a bigger source of spam than any other mta
20:11.03amphiihmSelbst: create ~/.conky ?
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20:11.27Gnearobin_sz: it's also the biggest source of non-conformance
20:11.29nexisand there are some apps that dont create a config file if there is nothing to put in there.
20:11.32ihmSelbstamphi, that's all? easy create ?
20:12.07nexisihmSelbst, yea, try to copy this file http://conky.sourceforge.net/conkyrc-brenden to ~./conky/conkyrc
20:12.26ihmSelbstokay, thanks !
20:12.37nexisi love google.
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20:13.43amphiihmSelbst: why not?
20:13.59killownI want to install debian but not have cdrom record I have iso debian-netinstall in moment I am using slackware , as I can to run netinstall at slackware?
20:14.18amphi!debtakeover
20:14.19dpkgDebian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin.
20:14.34nexiskillown, do you have 6 floppy disks?
20:14.40dvskillown: can you boot off of USB?
20:14.51killownnexis I have iso debian
20:15.06nexiskillown, yes, but without a cd recorder, that is not very handy.
20:15.08killownI can to mount iso is to install it?
20:15.17dvskillown: can you boot off of USB?
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20:15.30killowndvs nop
20:15.58nexiskillown, another route you could take is to boot the old school way, off of floppy disks.
20:16.10dvskillown: I agree with nexis
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20:17.42adgggwhat's a good ftp client for debian?
20:17.50nexisadggg, command line or ?
20:18.00stonedgftp
20:18.06Gnealftp
20:18.09nexisftp
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20:18.13killownif I to run netinstall in system slackware I can?
20:18.20stonedyou can use gftp-text or gftp gui
20:18.24nexis<PROTECTED>
20:18.37Gneaslackware?
20:19.02nexiskillown, whats your native language?
20:19.14killownportuguese
20:19.22Gnea!br
20:19.22dpkgEsse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:19.35killownnop
20:19.52amphi0x90
20:19.55Gnea?
20:20.12killown?
20:20.23jelly-homeamphi: EA
20:20.24Gneanop? what is that?
20:20.35stonedyeh nop it out
20:20.37killownnop = no?
20:20.40stonednop out the bytes goddamit
20:20.41dvskillown: if you can't burn the iso onto a CD and you can't boot off of USB, then forget about the ISO
20:20.43stonedrecompile the instructions
20:20.47war92my mouse cursor is white in Etch, how do I make it black again
20:20.51Gneathen say 'no'
20:20.52stonedjump to offsets in memory!
20:20.52killownGnea shut up
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20:20.57stonedkillown, be nice
20:21.04Gneakillown: excuse me?
20:21.44stonedGnea, Im sure he forgot 'e' at the end of nop
20:21.47stonednope == no too
20:21.57Gnea...
20:21.58jelly-homekillown: I suppose you could try and build debootstrap, but it would be much easier to boot from a netinstall.
20:22.18Gneai was going to try to help him out with a net boot
20:22.22Gneabut now, he can forget it.
20:22.24jelly-homehow hard would it be to debootstrap from a non-dpkg linux distro?
20:22.24stonedlol
20:22.27nexiskillown, http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst.pt.html
20:22.33adgggthanks for the ftp client recommendation, works great
20:22.41killownnexis thanks friend
20:22.58stonedGOAL!
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20:23.14goronstoned: nope
20:23.21stonedawe
20:23.22dvsstoned: not so fast USA. ;-)
20:23.23goronstoned: too bad ;)
20:23.30amphigoron: heh
20:23.35nexisman, it seems the more ram i put in, the more ram i end up using.
20:24.11stonednexis, thats very true, for loads of people
20:24.28nexisstoned, 4 gigs, and i have 91megs free.
20:24.32stonedI had 512, now I have 1024, yet it still seems its being cached lots of times
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20:25.02dvsnexis: what the heck are you doing !?!
20:25.21nexisdvs, right now, video editing.
20:25.22stonedon my gaming system, I've got nvidia sli, two sli cards 256mb, 2gb ram
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20:25.34stonedand a 3.6ghz machine
20:25.37gc__hi there, the linux-image-2.6.16-xen package in unstable is that a dom0 kernel?
20:25.48stonedand elder scrolls oblivion STILL jitters at times
20:25.49stonedhaha
20:26.35nexisstoned, what sli cards?
20:26.38Azarwith a bit luck, in 2 weeks I get my new amd athlon 3400+ new PC
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20:27.48madai know this isn't entirely "on topic" but i was wondering what would be the best scripting language to invest time into becoming proficient with? (python, perl, or ruby?)
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20:28.47blondiemada: perl or maybe python
20:28.59gc__blondie: why not ruby?
20:29.04war92I use kde and after switching my GTK theme it made my mouse white, how do I fix this/
20:29.07jirikimada: python
20:29.11blondiegc__: because ruby is just a gimmick ;P
20:29.12jirikimada: definitely
20:29.34stonednexis, nforce
20:29.35gc__blondie: eh what, why ... i like toys
20:29.38jirikimada: its used much more in real companies unlike perl
20:29.39stonedbrb, fucking neighbour
20:29.41madajiriki: i originally was going to learn python without fail, but then i read alot into ruby and wasn't sure which one to shoot for
20:29.49blondiegc__: gimmick/toy
20:29.51dvsstoned: lucky neighbour
20:29.54gc__mada: perl, if your are doing sys admin stuff
20:29.55jirikimada: yeh, okay, but dont go for perl :)
20:29.58jayeoladoes anyone use the jed editor?
20:29.59madajiriki: yeah, i had pretty much ruled out perl
20:30.10madajayeola: i have in the past, what's up?
20:30.11blondiestoned: you don't have to tell us about your sexual appointments :P
20:30.18jirikimada: I mean useful for linux hacking but you are much better off with python
20:30.24stonedno the friggin neighbour kids are making noise
20:30.26stonedpissin me off
20:30.27blondieperl > python
20:30.32nexisstoned, i was gonna say, im running a Asus Geforce 7950GX2, and i have no problems.
20:30.34dvsstoned: shoot them
20:30.38stonedlol
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20:30.49stonedshoot em with some dilauded? sure
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20:30.53stonedthat should calm them down
20:30.55jayeolamada: i'm using it within screen. normally C-a goes to the start of a line. how can i get that within screen?
20:30.56stonedor liquid demerol
20:30.58war92Anyone know how to change the font cursor in Etch? When picking a theme for GTK apps in KDE, it made my curosr black->gnome(white) cursor.
20:30.58dvsstoned: ritalin
20:31.01stonedhaha
20:31.03madajiriki: have you had any experience with ruby on rails? i read about that and wasn't sure if that was worth my time either
20:31.04war92s/font//
20:31.06jelly-homejayeola: ctrl-a a
20:31.13jayeolaaha! thanks
20:31.14dvs!tell war92 about repeat
20:31.20jayeolascreen is awsesome
20:31.21jirikimada: nope, but turbogears is quite good too
20:31.34madajiriki: what is turbogears?
20:31.36gc__jiriki: so is trails
20:31.39jayeolathanks jelly-home !
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20:31.51jirikimada: yeh okay, about rubuy you shoulk talk to someone else :)
20:31.55stonednexis, you playing oblivion under that hw and you have no problems?
20:32.00stoneddid you say 7900 gt?
20:32.09stonednm gx2
20:32.10freeone3000I installed the python2.4-dbus package, however, python (through cedega) swears their extensions arn't installed.
20:32.16jelly-homejayeola: you could choose another escape char. for screen if you use ctrl-a frequently.
20:32.22nexis7950GX2
20:32.23jirikimada: turbogears is web development framework, www.turbogears.com
20:32.35jirikimada: basically makes web-developing much faster
20:32.46madajiriki: ah ... ok .... sounds good, is it written in python?
20:33.10jirikimada: yeh, or Im not sure if its completely but its for python
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20:33.32stonednexis, you lucky asshole
20:33.35nexisthats my (biggest dick in the area) box, had to be built, built it last week, running a AMD FX62 chip 8GB of ram.
20:33.40stonednexis, your card is twice as good as mine
20:33.44Gneawhoa
20:33.45madajiriki: ohhh ok, cool
20:33.47Gnea!vexim
20:33.48dpkgmethinks vexim is Virtual Exim, a project that successfully integrates the exim MTA and vpopmail for virtual users. http://silverwraith.com/vexim/
20:33.52stonedmy dual core supports only 512 gpu memory
20:33.52jirikimada: sqlobject (orm), ajax, cherrypy, mochkit, kid (templates)
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20:34.02stonedno a true dual core
20:34.08jirikimada: basically saves lots of hazzle, no need to write eg. sql queries by hand
20:34.15madajiriki: cool cool, is there a chan you think my original question would be better suited for?
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20:34.20stonedbut core sli cores put together are 512 max, yours gos upto 512 each, 1024 dual
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20:34.37Gneathat should be...
20:34.37stonedplus its a better gpu than nforce4 sli16
20:34.39Gnea!vexim
20:34.39dpkgsomebody said vexim was Virtual Exim, a project that successfully integrates the exim MTA and parts of vpopmail for virtual users. http://silverwraith.com/vexim/
20:34.42nexisstoned, have you tried a better cooling solution and a bit of overclocking?
20:34.47AzarGnea, I wonder what is one to do with 8GB of ram?
20:34.52stoneddon't want to chance overclocking
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20:35.08GneaAzar: make music? :)
20:35.09stonedI got no more money is shit fucks up
20:35.12Azartype faster with vim?
20:35.16nexisAzar, there is really no need for 8GB, but it was the most i could stuff into it.
20:35.18Azarahhhhh music
20:35.19jelly-homeAzar: run Oracle! :-)
20:35.20stonedmusic
20:35.22jirikimadclicker: go ask about python at #ruby-lang and about ruby at #python ;)
20:35.31jayeolaheh
20:35.35nexisyou should see my folding@home scores.
20:35.36Azar:)
20:35.36jirikimadclicker: whops, sorry
20:35.38stonedyou could go with Fransisco Ferrari
20:35.39jirikimadclicker: wrong person
20:35.40jayeolaand ask about emacs in #vim
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20:35.53stonedmy lag bar is going up
20:35.56stoned!ping
20:35.56dpkgpong
20:36.02stonedi guess im not laggin then
20:36.20nexisim getting about .2s right now myself.
20:36.21GneaAzar: well, there are 2 audio apps: audacity and sweep. basically the same program, except that audacity relies on hard drive space while sweep depends on ram
20:36.43stonedand if yo have enough, ram is always faster
20:36.50stonedaudacity I like, very much
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20:37.02AzarGnea I can imagine that box going in fire wow, 8GB
20:37.11Gneaheh
20:37.15stonedI export hydrogen drum tracks as wav, import in audacity, play them, play bass + guitar tracks on top of it, mix it out, even it out
20:37.32gc__hm, why does grub always say: Error 16: Inconsistent filesystem structure
20:37.36Gneacool
20:37.48nexisstoned, the sad part, i have the huge gaming computer, but the game i play the most   tribes.
20:37.54stonedGnea, I am very good at making drum tracks with hydrogen
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20:39.01stonedGnea, for example, http://bungs.dontexist.com/beats
20:39.26stonedcouple of those are from hydrogen website in ther,e but a lot of them are mine
20:39.38stonedthe ones from hydrogen are liscened gpl and contain that info
20:39.47stonedmine do not
20:39.53stonedbut they are still gpl
20:40.05stonedi guess, use if want to, i don't care for credit
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20:43.28Krymore|awayhey guys i got a nice challenge here.. i need to upgrade debian 2.0 (hamm) to 3.1
20:43.37dvs!pity Krymore
20:43.37dpkgI pity da fool Krymore!
20:43.57Krymoredamn machine hasn't been touched since 1998
20:44.07Krymorei can't even load startx wuwu
20:44.19dvso_O
20:44.55blondieo.O
20:45.09jelly-homeKrymore: you'll need to go step by step. 2.0 -> 2.1 -> 2.2 -> 3.0 -> 3.1  ... does hamm even have apt?
20:45.22Krymoreyes
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20:45.35Krymorebut i get a 404 not found when i try to use it
20:45.47Krymorei don't think the machine has telnet or ssh installed either
20:45.50blondieI should the sources are gone ;)
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20:45.55blondie+think
20:46.06nexisKrymore, any chance you can fresh install it?
20:46.11blondieI'd reinstall
20:46.23dvs!sarge 2.6.15
20:46.23dpkgi guess sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm
20:46.29AzarKrymore: Sarge might not work on your old hardware
20:46.31Maalice"sarge boots 2.4"
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20:46.42Krymoreoh yeah it's an amd-k6 as well
20:46.46Maaliceare there 2.6 install dicks?
20:46.47dvsMaalice: and 2.6
20:46.49MitjaWhat does the digit mean right of the permission output by the ls command?
20:46.51Maalicedicks!
20:46.54dvsdicks!
20:46.55Maalicedisks.
20:47.00Krymorelawlz
20:47.09blondieMitja: number of links to the file
20:47.15AzarKrymore: try to reach up to woody: get a 2.4 kernel for it , if it works is worth trying upgrade to Sarge
20:47.19blondieor references or something ;)
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20:47.34Mitjablondie, thank you :)
20:47.41Krymoreyeah i have np in trying woody
20:47.51hareldvdWhat is the package name for webmin?
20:47.51Mitjaso it's not a owner or permission related?
20:47.57Krymoreso, download the kernel by myself and use apt to install it?
20:47.58blondieno it's not
20:48.15AzarKrymore: review your sources, they might be obsolete, also non-us is no more
20:48.59AzarKrymore: and if your fs is other than ext3, uh you might want to do a fresh install, just in case
20:49.06Krymorei checked the sources.list file and it has non-us and http.us listed and nothing else i think
20:49.17nexisAzar, if its ext2 you can upgrade to ext3
20:49.26Azarnexis uh? cool
20:49.27jelly-homeAzar: he can't use apt like that anyway.  Are old releases apt-able via archive.debian.org?
20:49.36nexisext3 is just ext2 with a journal
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20:50.16nexiswell, here is the question, krymore, is there any reason that you cant just reinstall it, is there something your trying to save on the drive?
20:50.25exobyteafter running debootstrap, do I need to install grub if I want the new installation bootable?
20:50.26MaaliceSo what does everybody do if they have a box with just SATA drives?  flail about until they discover #debian or a custom 2.6-install iso?
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20:50.42Krymorei have no idea, i need to ask the owner if it has important data
20:50.56dvsMaalice: as I said before, Sarge has 2.6.
20:51.12AzarKrymore: try: deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ woody main non-free contrib
20:51.12Maalicethe install disk doesn't seem to run 2.6 when it boots
20:51.15nexisMaalice, what controller?
20:51.31nexisMaalice, you have to boot with linux26 to get it to load the 2.6 kernel on boot.
20:51.31dvsMaalice: Read the extra pages at the boot prompt
20:51.47jelly-homeAzar: It's not smart to try to upgrade skipping releases.
20:51.47nexisjelly-home, yea, you can apt with archive
20:52.01nexisso he is at hamm now?
20:52.03Azarjelly-home: I thought hamm was just before woody
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20:52.18Azaruh then use "potato" instead of woody
20:52.23jelly-homeAzar: hamm is 2.0, there's slink and potato in between.
20:52.27nexisKrymore, you said your at hamm now correct?
20:52.29Azarwow
20:52.35Maalicenexis:  ah.  i hadn't tried that.
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20:52.39Krymorethank you guys. one last question. how can i connect to it remotely? i know it is being used for email and http
20:52.59blondieKrymore: ssh?
20:53.05nexisKrymore, dont suppose ssh or telnet are installed and running?
20:53.11Azarwas there ssh on hamm's time?
20:53.17jelly-homeKrymore: install ssh.
20:53.23blondieAzar: of course there was ssh
20:53.29nexisyea, there is ssh in hamm
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20:53.39nexisi remember the days of buzz and rex
20:54.03nbthi what program can record screen actions as a movie ?
20:54.13nexisthose were the good old days when men where men, women were men, and kids were the feds.
20:54.21killownnexis, I have floopy disk .. what I do now to install debian?
20:54.31Azarwow I had no idea the spacetoy was already a release
20:54.42nexiskillown, remember the link i gave you, it tells you how to install with the floppy method.
20:55.04killownnexis ok
20:55.10nexisman, i lost my remote, and im really really lazy, i dont want to have to alt-tab to change songs.
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20:56.37formorerthis keyboard is getting me crazy, anybody here who got a macbook with german keyboard working?
20:56.47Krymorewell i tried to ssh it and here's what i got:
20:56.47Krymoressh 136.145.85.26
20:56.47Krymoressh: connect to host 136.145.85.26 port 22: Connection refused
20:56.58pinucsetone thing, i have a duo core intel, how can i check that i have the two cores enabled?
20:57.03streunerformorer: ask in #debianppc too
20:57.07unstableKrymore: Try telnet
20:57.14formorerstreuner: it has no ppc
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20:58.06Krymoretelnet doesn't seem to respond at all
20:58.09unstableKrymore: I would do what Azar suggested(I think?)... type this # echo "deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ woody main non-free contrib" > /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade;
20:58.16unstableKrymore: dive right into the deep end
20:58.22Krymorehehe
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20:58.32unstableKrymore: You need physical access it would appear.
20:58.37Krymoreyes :(
20:59.00unstableor find some old ass exploits for software running on top of woody
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20:59.23unstableThen find a shell code payload that fires up a remote shell
20:59.36nvzman building a resume sucks, especially when your legitimate work history isnt all that interesting.. gotta focus on little details and make them sound significant :P
20:59.36streunerformorer: most people here use x86, only a few ppc or amd64...
20:59.53unstablenvz: I'm in the same boat with you
21:00.06formorerstreuner: I repeat: it has a x86 cpu
21:00.12Lamperiwell, macbook isnt ppc
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21:00.35streunerok guys, i unterstood, but my answer is the same :-)
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21:00.56formorerstreuner: no. its the wrong forum
21:01.16jelly-homeformorer: they might have more experience with mac keyboard settings.
21:01.35nvzunstable: I hate to even say or hear the word resume but I went to an interview at a shitty job at a buffet place the other day for a "practice interview" not really caring if I got the job just to see where I needed to improve and they shot me full of holes with one of them psychologically desgined personality scorecards :P so here I am doing my homework before I screw up when it counts
21:01.44formorerjelly-home: I have experience with macs too. And my other 6 Macs are working
21:01.51formorerjelly-home: the problem is different
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21:02.10unstablenvz: sounds like a good idea
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21:02.43Azareven if is o/t I will jump too: jelly-home they will only hire the one that asks less pay. No matter what you put in your resume
21:02.43speyerwho can help me with bluetooth on mobiles ?
21:02.56Krymoretelnet: connect to address 136.145.85.26: Connection timed out
21:03.24AzarKrymore: maybe telnet was removed from that box
21:03.46unstables/jelly-home they will only hire/nvz they will only hire/
21:04.00jelly-homeKrymore: you could do a portscan and try to dig up some old remote exploits. ;-)
21:04.09Azaroh thanks, sorry for confusion
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21:05.25formorerthe funny thing is: it works with a standard ibook usb config on the console, but X don't have the german specific parts...
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21:07.03unstableIs it possible for Ubuntu to have better hardware detection then debian?
21:07.10jelly-homeunstable: very.
21:07.11unstable(someone is claiming this in another channel and I'm not sure)
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21:07.27nvzI am shooting for a resume that covers vary vaguely my past 6 year work history focusing on the transferrable, adaptable and specific skills I have and going to try keep it on one page as the reading I did last night says for a young shmuck like me it shouldnt be more than one page.. only get 2-3 pages if you are comming in on a higer rung
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21:07.49tarzeauunstable: than, not then
21:08.24unstable!grammar
21:08.24dpkgit has been said that grammar is a system of pitfalls thoughtfully prepared for the feet of the self-made man, along the path by which he advances to distinction.
21:08.28jelly-homeunstable: seeing as ubuntu gets released more often...
21:08.49unstablejelly-home: What does that matter?
21:08.52jelly-homedpkg: men, not man
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21:09.04jelly-homeoh
21:09.09unstablejelly-home: Every new release of Ubuntu just takes a snapshot of debian unstable then polishes it up and applies a buttload of patches
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21:09.34nvzseems the only way you can make mishaps in your employment record look good is to show that you've learned from them
21:09.34jelly-homeunstable: it's newer than a Debian release.
21:09.45unstableOr at least that's how it has worked for releases in the past, I haven't been paying attention lately
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21:10.51unstabletarzeau: Do you think Ubuntu can have better hardware support than Debian(unstable)
21:11.00nvzunstable: its possible that the detection is better if they have people working specifically on those areas
21:11.04tarzeauunstable: no i think ubuntu ist scheisse
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21:12.12nvzseem to me like they are focused on the look and feel more than the hardware support
21:12.40tarzeauunstable: http://www.cafepress.com/ubunto
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21:12.54unstableThat's what I thought too, but someone is telling me they use it because it has better hardware support. And their soundcard works out of the box in Ubuntu but not in debian.
21:13.00unstable(debian testing)
21:13.12tarzeauunstable: that someone is incompetent
21:13.18erfHey, How do I install a base install of debian?
21:13.30unstabletarzeau: haha, nice I'm ordering a shirt
21:13.37unstable!tell erf about d-i
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21:13.57unstableerf: Pick either "stable"(sarge) or "testing"(etch)
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21:14.20unstableerf: I believe most people in here who use desktops would chose testing. And those who are using production servers would pick stable.
21:14.32nvzerf: you put the debian cd in and press enter a bunch of times :)
21:15.25unstableyea, pretty much
21:15.27nvzI am still using stable on my desktops I would be using testing if I had internet.. but its hard to use testing when you cant update frequently and file bug reports easily
21:15.30unstableexcept when it asks you your root password, that is when you have to input data
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21:16.22unstablenvz: You could apt-get install apt-listbugs; and you can see when you do a dist-upgrade what bugs already exist
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21:16.30Blissexunstable: 'testing' is a very bad idea, perhaps even worse than 'unstable' except maybe at certain propitious moments.
21:16.34unstableAnd based on that, chose not to dist-upgrade at that time.
21:16.40nvzmaybe you missed where I said I dont have internet :P
21:17.05Ox0F0-0FFHi everyone, anyone knows about something to know what files or directories take more space on an hard drive ?
21:17.08Mastroquettarzeau : what does the sentence on the shirts mean exactly - I can only guess and am not satified with this...
21:17.14Blissexunstable: unless of course one know exactly what is going on and understand package and dependency managers inside out... But then just about everybody thinks that...
21:17.38tarzeauMastroquet: "UBUNTU IS SHIT (i think). LOL"
21:17.39unstableOx0F0-0FF: du -hs *; ?
21:17.55BlissexOx0F0-0FF: sure, don't worry, there are people who know these things...
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21:18.26unstableI wish it didn't say "LOL" at the end
21:18.28Ox0F0-0FFunstable, ok, i'll check on this, thanks
21:18.33unstable!lol
21:18.33dpkgIf you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
21:19.01Ox0F0-0FFTHAT's and insult.... the AOL user thing
21:19.07unstableOx0F0-0FF: There is probably some gui tool, but I don't know one off hand. I would use apt-cache to search.
21:19.13unstable!tell Ox0F0-0FF about apt-cache
21:19.20Ox0F0-0FFBlissex, Couldn't you be somehow more useless ?
21:19.34nvzI picture a simple creature restricted to a chair perhaps even strapped down drooling on themself when I hear "lol"
21:19.36Ox0F0-0FFunstable, think i'm a n00b ?
21:19.38Ox0F0-0FF:)
21:19.41BlissexOx0F0-0FF: I might try...
21:19.42Mastroquettarzeau : thanks (now I get the "find ich")
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21:19.58unstableOx0F0-0FF: yes? --> "<Ox0F0-0FF> Hi everyone, anyone knows about something to know what files or directories take more space on an hard drive ?"
21:20.19Blissexnvz: I picture a typical gen Y IRC user, but then perhaps thats not too different from what you said :-)
21:20.35nvzthey use "lol" because its easier to type when poking at the keys with a rod that is between your teeth
21:20.36Ox0F0-0FFunstable, Well, IRC is a good place to hear about software you never heard about
21:20.44blondiethere's nothing wrong with "lol"
21:21.16streunerlol
21:21.21nvzof course thats probably how I will be typing one day.. I sense I am going to have really bad arthritis someday
21:21.23jelly-homeblondie: ... and there are no stupid questions
21:21.32blondiejelly-home: if you say so
21:21.46unstableblondie: Sure there is. It has become too popular and mainstream. So us geeks must ban the phrase and laugh at others who used to use it.(us)
21:21.57blondieI see
21:23.06jelly-homeblondie: I meant it's not the acronym that is at fault, but the sort of people who overuse it.
21:23.15Ox0F0-0FFhumm, this du option won't really do what i'm looking for...
21:23.21AndurilI get '/dev/rtc: Device or resource busy'. How can I figure out what's using it?
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21:23.38Ox0F0-0FFI guess i'll have to write some script for this
21:23.43nvzI dont know if I should even waste space on a one page resume for education when I really dont have much of a formal education beyond public schooling in the US
21:23.53jelly-homeAnduril: fuser
21:24.20nvzI for one dont consider that worth mentioning :P though I am not sure what it suggests if you dont mention it
21:24.28Shadowcat>:)
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21:24.55blondiethat's in the other room unused
21:25.12Anduriljelly-home: Thanks!
21:25.28Blissexnvz: with the enormous glut of CS graduates from the past 5 years thats not a good situation to be in... :-(
21:25.53deadcat_is there another gallery similar to libapache-gallery-perl? where no user interface required. just move the images to a dir and done
21:26.44nvzBlissex: yeah, well neither is not having better transportation than feet in the 21st century.. I've come to the realization that I am just going to have to work with what I got. I cant just hand in a resume for someone else's life :P
21:27.08blondieargh my keyboard has gone pseudo-american
21:27.32Blissexnvz: nod nod. Much the same feeling here...
21:27.33blondiehow do you change the keyboard type/layout?
21:27.47deadcat_blondie: xorg.conf
21:27.58Blissexblondie: depends on what you mean by that. It could take several months of study to 5 secs.
21:28.04zenwrylyhow can I check the version of a module?
21:28.12Blissexzenwryly: 'modinfo'
21:28.31blondiedeadcat_: no, in console
21:28.44blondiethe keyboard is a uk one
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21:28.55zenwrylyBlissex: thanks
21:28.57deadcat_blondie: console-data
21:29.02blondiebut debian has given me a US one... except that shift-3 gives me pounds sterling
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21:29.11blondieBlissex: what?
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21:29.38Spliffsterwhere can i find a good documentation about lmsensors ?
21:29.40zenwrylyBlissex: what about it required telepathy?  That I didn't specify that I meant *kernel* modle?
21:29.48Blissexblondie: that kind of question looks designed to catch people out
21:30.29streunerSpliffster: /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/* ?
21:30.36blondiedeadcat_: what's that? a program?
21:30.54deadcat_blondie: its a package. dpkg-reconfigure it
21:31.30blondieI see, it gave me an Apple layout
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21:34.28unstable!tell Spliffster about lmsensors
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21:36.31nbthi what program can record screen actions as a movie ?
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21:37.51AndurilWith help from jelly-home I found out that the /dev/rtc was used by chrony. What if someone else (nvram-wakeup) have to use it?
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21:39.50unstablehahahahahahaha, if you like sco articles read this --> http://www.openlinux.org/releasedetail.cfm?id=21370
21:40.02unstable"The decision to reanimate the very popular OpenLinux product series was made after it is evident that certain lawsuits regarding UNIX® System intellectual property and contractual rights are to be finished soon. SCO is eager to be the only future provider of Linux Systems for the enterprise market."
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21:40.43unstableSCO thinks it's going to win this lawsuit, and become the only providor of Linux Systems for Enterprise
21:41.19streuner!enterprise
21:41.19dpkgrumour has it, enterprise is a marketing buzzword which means "big, expensive, complex, and so full of bugs that you require a support contract to keep it running"
21:41.32streunerhaha
21:41.40streuner!factinfo enterprise
21:41.41dpkgenterprise -- created by greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> at Fri Mar 19 16:20:35 2004 (820 days); it has been requested 13 times, last by streuner, 21s ago.
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21:42.17nvzomfg we are still going on about SCO I thought that blip fell off the radar months ago :P
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21:42.58daddiushello does debian have a cvs repository for source?
21:43.17jelly-homeI like HP's definition of enterprise customers. Apparently we're enterprise if we buy >= 300,000 EUR from them yearly.
21:43.31unstablenvz: Not until the hammer hits the wood.
21:43.35nvzisnt enterprise also the name of that ship on star trek?
21:43.40streunerdaddius: debian is a distro
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21:43.57unstabledaddius: You mean the entire debian distribution in one cvs server?
21:44.04owhCan someone help me with lire? I have it installed, it generates reports once a week, but no matter how hard I try, I cannot get it to generate an Apache report with content. It shows the report, but it shows no data.
21:44.05daddiusunstable, yes
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21:44.13daddiussorry for the confusion
21:44.14unstabledaddius: absolutely not
21:44.29nvzunstable: I try to keeping the hammer away from the wood unless I am on a constuction site.
21:44.34unstabledaddius: You can download any source packages in debian; but not the entire thing from svn/cvs/git
21:44.34daddiusunstable, i figured not... i was looking for docs on it and was unable to find it
21:44.52unstabledaddius: You want to remaster debian/create your own distribution?
21:44.54jayeolahey chaps. i'm  using screen and i've split a window. each window has a shell. how do i unsplit that window?
21:45.07owhdaddius: What are you trying to achieve, perhaps debian snapshot will help.
21:45.13unstablejayeola: I don't know, but try #screen
21:45.18daddiusunstable, just create a small kernel from debian and of course the pkg system
21:45.26daddiusunstable, nothing big though
21:45.49nvzunstable: btw the gavel is more than a hammer
21:45.55owhdaddius: Why don't you start with a base install, don't install anything else, then modify?
21:46.00jayeolaunstable: ty
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21:46.27daddiusowh, yeah i was thinking of that also
21:46.34daddiusjust checking the options
21:46.39owhdaddius: Sure.
21:47.14owhSo, anyone with "lire" experience around at the moment?
21:47.37unstablenvz: WHat do you mean?
21:47.56unstableA gavel is a hammer-like instrument, typically made of wood. It is used by judges and presiding officers to call for silence or to signify the finality of a ruling.
21:47.59nvzhammer is a hand tool consisting of a handle with a head of metal or other heavy rigid material that is attached at a right angle, used for striking or pounding. whereas the gavel is a less of a tool and more of a utencil for concluding a transaction
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21:48.23unstablenvz: That is one type of hammer.
21:48.40owhnvz: gavel    n : a small mallet used by a presiding officer or a judge
21:48.44nvzyeah its technically a hammer but I've never seen a contractor with a gavel
21:49.13unstableyea, I know. I was just humanizing the process of court.
21:49.16jelly-homenvz: that's because you didn't have to buy a judge
21:49.16SerajewelKSoff-topic hair-splitting alert!
21:49.35owhnvz: What if the judge was out-sourced, then it would be a contractor with a gavel?
21:49.50nvzno, I've never bought a judge.. but I sold one last year..
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21:50.43blondieshould /etc/bash.bashrc be processed whenever you logon with bash as your shell?
21:50.49nvzsold him to the good citizens of the judicial district when my father and I lead his campaign to victory
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21:51.06yawghow do i restart inetd?
21:51.15SerajewelKSyawg: /etc/init.d/inetd restart
21:51.21yawgthanks
21:51.24SerajewelKSyawg: like every other service
21:51.29owhROTFL
21:51.39nvzwell mostly my father.. I just stood behind everyone and offered my technical opinions and services when needed
21:52.13nvzpolitricks isnt really my business
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21:52.38yawghm.. i just installed the package 'bitlbee' which is supposed to run in inetd, but restarting inetd didn't start bitlbee
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21:53.05owhyawg: inetd starts stuff when you hit the port for the service.
21:53.07azeemyawg: inetd is something different than you think
21:53.14SerajewelKSyawg: what does 'grep bitlbee /etc/inetd.conf' say
21:53.39yawg6668    stream  tcp     nowait  bitlbee /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/bitlbee
21:53.45SerajewelKSyawg: then it's up
21:54.01owhyawg: It will only actually launch if you hit port 6668.
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21:57.12brosioz_anyone could explain me howto change /etc/shadow from md5 to aes or sha512 ?
21:57.54kpearcehey, I just set up my debian box again after not using it for about 6 months and am trying to upgrade (sid). I keep getting all kinds of dependency problems related to X and various versions of packages not being available (there is a very long list of errors). I assume this must be a known problem related to the xorg transition. Anyone know what I need to do?
21:58.14owhkpearce: Did you apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade?
21:58.21kpearcedist-upgrade
21:58.36owhHmm, did you apt-get update?
21:58.42kpearceyes
21:59.12SerajewelKSbrosioz_: checked 'man login.defs'?
21:59.40owhkpearce: Well, that exhausts my knowledge - I only knew of a problem with apt-get upgrade instead of apt-get dist-upgrade. Can you install packages one at a time and work your way through?
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22:00.19owhkpearce: I know full well that you shouldn't need to do that, but I'm not sure what else to suggest.
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22:00.31kpearceI've tried, but I always get this huge error, even doing that. I'm not sure which packages to try. x11-common won't install
22:00.55azeemkpearce: why doesn't it instal?
22:00.55abrotmanif you type apt-get install x11-common .. what happens
22:00.56kpearcethey are all half installed right now, and I got the error trying to remove one of the problem packages as well
22:00.56abrotman?
22:00.58owhkpearce: Can you paste the error somewhere?
22:01.05abrotmanso paste the error somewhere
22:01.13owhabrotman: Heh.
22:01.16azeemkpearce: run dpkg --configure -a and paste any error output
22:01.46kpearceok, just a sec (working with two computers at once)
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22:02.38nvzkpearce: sounds antagonizing, you should be using synergy
22:02.52kpearcewhat's that?
22:02.55abrotmanhe has no X afaict
22:02.57abrotman!synergy
22:02.58dpkgit has been said that synergy is Gemma, or a KM program (think KVM without any video), see http://synergy2.sourceforge.net
22:03.06nvzah
22:03.16kpearceright, x is not working
22:03.23kpearcewhere should I paste the error? #flood?
22:03.31abrotmansure
22:03.36kpearcealright, thanks
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22:05.33nvzSynergy: The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects. Antagonism: a phenomenon where two or more agents in combination have an overall effect which is less than the sum of their individual effects.
22:05.43owhIt's still pasting in #flood :-)
22:06.12owhabrotman: Perhaps kpearce is pointing at the wrong repository?
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22:06.18abrotmanwe'll see in a moment
22:06.41menkohey.. can anyone tell me what kernel udev requires at minimum in unstable?
22:06.56killownI have debian iso netinstall in hd  and floopy disk image boot debian install what I do to install?
22:07.02nvz2.6.12 would be my guess, though I dont know for sure offhand
22:07.13nvz!depends udev unstable
22:07.16menkoah, thanks, dpkg also told me that
22:07.20dpkgudev: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libselinux1 (>= 1.30), libvolume-id0, initscripts (>= 2.85-16), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6)
22:07.28nvzno dice there :P
22:07.35azeemcheck its postinst
22:07.43streunerdpkg, listvals 2.6.12
22:07.47stonednvz, long time no see
22:07.49dpkgFactoid search of '2.6.12' by value (6): acpi custom kernel one-liner ;; sarge uni ;; config-2.6.12-1-686 ;; udev ;; udev 2.6.12 ;; 2.6.12.
22:08.21nvzstoned: yeah I am living without internet.. I know its horrible.. but apperently its possible.
22:08.32streunernvz: what you thinking of is prolly the factoid udev 2.6.12
22:08.33stonednvz, I might have to do that soon
22:08.48nvzstreuner: never heard of it :P
22:09.01streuner!udev 2.6.12
22:09.02dpkgif you tried to upgrade udev and now get the message "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", you must install a 2.6.12 kernel before proceding.  The recommended way to do this is to download a linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb for your arch from ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ and installing it with dpkg -i
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22:09.55streunerits not a thingie of a kernel, the main issue is to have the latest udev version, IMHO
22:10.00brosioz_anyone could explain me howto change /etc/shadow from md5 to aes or sha512 ?
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22:10.57nvzstoned: yeah well I landed a cheap apartment in Star City on a month-to-month lease term for $325/mo (and gotta cut the grass) with cable, water, electric, and gas bills all included.. and I got a cell phone so getting internet isnt really even possible even if I could afford it without talking the landlord into it :P
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22:11.28owhnvz: Never heard of wireless?
22:11.58stonedowh, are you fucking serious?
22:12.02stonedyou're really asking him that?
22:12.03stonedlol
22:12.25nvzthe place is well located in town, and a block from the rails-to-trails and the rooms are big compared to the little student housing that is popular around town for like $800+ a month where you cant even sit on the shitter without your knees pressed up against the wall and got a kitchen the size of a closet
22:13.07nvzI dont think thats even available here, and even if it was it would likely be very unreliable and expensive
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22:13.33owhnvz: Star City is in SA is it not?
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22:14.08nvzif I could afford it I would just talk the land lady into ditching her dialup and wiring her into my existing network and adding cable internet to her cable bill and tacking it on to my rent
22:14.54nvzowh: its in Morgantown, WV http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=star+city,+wv&ie=UTF8&om=1
22:14.59stonednvz, I quit my job today, on monday I will look for another one, gonan hit up temp agencies, I have money for this months rent, but after that, who knows
22:15.18nvzstoned: yeah thats how I am living too :P
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22:15.32stonednvz, maybe we should move in together
22:15.34stonedlol
22:15.36nvzwell I am heading out to dinner with some family I guess.. talk to you all later
22:15.38nvzhaha
22:15.46stonedlater man, have a good one
22:15.58stonedcome back around every so often like you do, it was nice to see you again
22:16.09nvzyep, take care
22:17.11brosioz_anyone could explain me howto change /etc/shadow from md5 to aes or sha512 ?
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22:17.41abrotmani'm not sure you can
22:18.25polishkoopHey all, Im using debian sarge, kernel 2.6 and I can't get my sound to work.  I've installed alsa-base and i ran alsaconf, added "snd" to my modules list.  I still can't get sound going and I don't know where to go from here.
22:18.28blondiebrosioz_: that's three times you've asked that!
22:18.51owhblondie: Seems no one has the answer then ;-)
22:18.59blondieexactly
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22:19.34kyncanipolishkoop: you could install discover and see if it helps
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22:20.13polishkoopkyncani: Alright, I read that I could try using that or hotplug or alsaconf.  I'll try discover then.
22:21.39polishkoopkyncani: what am i supposed to do after running it?  It doesn't really seem like it did anything.  It gave me a list of some hardware on my comp, and then a list of "unknowns"
22:22.22kyncanipolishkoop: i was refering to the package named discover
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22:23.13polishkoopkyncani: what do you mean?  I did apt-get install discover.
22:23.20kyncaniyep
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22:24.07kyncaniif it was not started, start it with invoke-rc.d discover start
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22:24.47polishkoopkyncani: it say's skipping module cuz its already loaded
22:25.28kyncaniwell, if you still do not have any sound, then you're outta luck ... (for my part)
22:25.49sebas007hi everyone!  I'm having a problem with a root file system that went in read-only after some errors with the sata driver...
22:26.01wojcipolishkoop, What about reading the alsa howto? It could have some clues.
22:26.06polishkoopkyncani: alright.  The way im testing if I have sound is by trying to play a gnome-audio sound file.  So I'm assuming if I don't hear anything there then I have no sound
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22:26.30kyncanipolishkoop: check the volumes then (maybe)
22:26.36sebas007it is a remote system... I'm a bit scared of doing a reboot... I think it may just hang there...
22:26.43jelly-homepolishkoop: could be a number of things.  maybe the card is muted.  maybe the correct module isn't even loaded.
22:26.49sebas007anyone has some advices?
22:26.50polishkoopwojci: alright i'll look into it again.  But AlSA is definately the way to go though right?  I'm a pretty big noob to this.
22:27.16wojcipolishkoop, I belive that alsa supports most hardware, so yes.
22:27.21polishkoophow can i find if the sound is muted.
22:27.32jelly-homerun alsamixer
22:27.33wojcipolishkoop, Install a mixer.
22:27.48wojcior gamix.
22:28.32polishkoopa couple are at the bottom: surround, lfe, line
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22:30.46Ox0F0-0FFSCO will release a new version of caldera linux based on linux 2.5  !!!
22:30.49Ox0F0-0FF:D
22:31.21Ox0F0-0FFhttp://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/17/2050248&from=rss
22:31.23Ox0F0-0FFHave fun
22:32.01Ox0F0-0FFbbl
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22:33.32jelly-homepolishkoop: that's probably ok, unless you've connected your speakers to "surround" output.
22:33.40polishkoopjelly-home: im using headphones right now
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22:34.21Erudified\
22:34.35jelly-homes/speakers/headphones/
22:34.52ErudifiedAnyone running Debian on a centrino laptop? this thing is getting to nutscorching heat levels
22:35.04Erudifiedand of course suspend wont work
22:35.17stonedI run sid on dell inspison lappy
22:35.26stonedI keep it ventilated
22:35.26philpemErudified: you got cpuspeed installed and running?
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22:35.45ErudifiedI installed cpufreqd but it doesn't seem to be doing anything
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22:36.10polishkoopjelly-home: i read the alsa how to's and it all just seemed... to not help me.
22:36.24polishkoopjelly-home: beacuse i don't even know if i started out correctly
22:36.35philpemHmm, might be something to do with the "faulty ACPI DSDT" issue that's been noted.. what make/model is the laptop?
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22:37.01unstablehttp://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5258815901.html
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22:37.49philpemThat said, I've got a Toshiba Satpro 4600, and that gets very hot very quickly. "toshset -fan high" seems to cool it down a bit, but that's only practical when it's on AC power.
22:37.50Erudifiedit's a Dell 600M
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22:39.06philpemErudified: might be worth taking a look at http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/dell_latitude_d600 (search for "DSDT"). google for "dell 600M dsdt".
22:39.08jelly-homepolishkoop: dunno.  when you run alsamixer, does it report what looks like your sound hardware?
22:39.26jelly-homepolishkoop: (Card: and Chip: )
22:39.30Erudifiedthanks I'll check that out
22:39.56Erudifiedfwiw Debian brings "teh snappy" pretty hard on this laptop
22:40.01ErudifiedKDE is like *UNF GET SOME NOOBS*
22:40.26polishkoopjelly-home: it does yeah
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22:43.16jelly-homepolishkoop: does a simple command line player work?  Like apt-get install mpg321, then mpg321 some.mp3
22:43.38Erudifiedwow... getting the most out of ACPI seems pretty involved
22:44.23polishkoopI don't think I have any mp3's or sound files on my computer
22:44.44Erudifiedare you telling me that in 2006 you can't find an mp3 on the internet? =)
22:45.07jelly-homepolishkoop: what are you testing the sound with, then?
22:45.23polishkoopsounds that i got from gnome-audio.  I go to the sound setup and click play and I hear nothing
22:45.28jelly-homepolishkoop: locate .mp3 or locate .wav
22:45.56dogmeatfolks, im trying to determine where the loading bottle necks are on my system, esp the disk i/o. was checking iostat, what other tools can i use?
22:46.02zeroth404Anyone: I want an NFS client and server installed. what package do I neened?
22:46.26Erudifieddogmeat hdparm is great for benchmarking/tweaking HDD settings
22:46.31stonedzeroth404, nfs-kernel-server && nfs-kernel-common
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22:47.07polishkoopjelly-home: locate .mp3 didn't workor .wav didn't work
22:47.10stoned!tell zeroth404 -about nfs-howto
22:47.16zeroth404stoned, I'd rather have a normal nfs server, not one of those "kernel mode" things...unless that is the standard way of doing it...
22:47.22rxedIs there a release FAQ that expains what's new in xorg v. 7.0.22?
22:47.34abrotmanprobably at x.org in the release notes
22:47.36stonedzeroth404, userspace nfs is much slower than kernel based
22:47.54zeroth404stoned, ok. :-)
22:47.55Erudifiedrxed the big improvement is the move to a more modular setup
22:48.33rxedabrotman: well, xorg doesn't realy document (that I can see) changes or diffs in Debian's 7.0.20 and 7.0.22 releases.
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22:48.45polishkoopjelly-home: *niether locate .wav or locate .mp3 worked
22:48.46gravityerm
22:48.53abrotmanrxed: oh .. check the changelog for debian packages
22:48.53gravityrxed: /usr/share/doc/xorg/changelog.Debian.gz
22:48.58Erudifiedrxed it should let the "X Strike Force" make more frequent releases
22:49.13rxedgravity, abrotman: thanks.
22:49.13gravitys/should/does/
22:49.17stonedzeroth404, apt-get install nfs-kernel-server (on server) then nano /etc/exports and make a share, then /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start and then go to the client and use mount -t nfs ip:/share /mnt/blah
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22:49.27dogmeatErudified: don't see any benching functions for hdparm ..
22:49.29ma3xhow can I encrypt a directory and its content?
22:49.34abrotmanstill doesn't fix my stupid screensaver kills laptop bug :)
22:50.16stonedok, I have installed the tspc package, registered with freenet and got a email with user/pass for ipvt6 tunnel. I have modified my /etc/tsp/tspc.conf accordingly.  now that?
22:50.18Erudifieddogmeat i forget the switch; it's there
22:50.20stoneds/that/what
22:50.23jelly-homepolishkoop: download one then, eg. wget "http://remix.kwed.org/EXTRACTS/Glyn%20R%20Brown%20-%20Rastan%20(extract).mp3"
22:51.47dogmeatErudified: ok i see it
22:51.51dogmeatit's -t and -T
22:51.53dogmeatthanks
22:52.32Erudifiedman if you want to use KDE
22:52.34Erudifiedget two gigs of ram
22:52.55abrotmanjelly-home: gnome-audio ?
22:53.20Erudifiedsuspend wont work and my nuts are approaching meltdown but im still just opening konqueror windows and giggling
22:53.32jelly-homeabrotman: well, whatever polishkoop is using, I think he called it that way.
22:53.49abrotmanpolishkoop: are you broken?
22:54.26maikolwhere is dh_testdir from
22:54.28polishkoopabrotman: what?  and btw jelly locate .mp3 still isnt working.
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22:54.41abrotmanpolishkoop: updatedb
22:54.49abrotmanthen try again
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22:55.52polishkoopabrotman: genius.  So does updatedb just... well update the system with new files that i added to my harddrive?
22:55.55ErudifiedDoes anyone have any idea why a laptop would get really hot while just sitting on my couch (running, with the monitor off and lid closed but not in suspend), then *cool down* when I started actively using it?
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22:56.08jelly-homepolishkoop: dpkg -L gnome-audio will show you what files are in the package
22:56.12Erudifiedpolishkoop it just updates the database that `locate` uses
22:56.20abrotmanpolishkoop: locate uses a database to keep track of what files you have .. updatedb updates that db ..
22:56.34Erudifiedcron.daily ftw
22:56.53abrotmanif it's there
22:57.10jelly-home/etc/cron.daily/find invokes updatedb with all the options
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22:59.19Erudifiedokay cool
22:59.28Erudifiedi think im just going to leave this thing running at 600mhz
23:00.01polishkoopwell i went and tried opening it with mpg321 and nothing happened
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23:00.45jelly-homepolishkoop: it hung or it exited immediately?
23:00.52polishkoophold on let me do it again
23:01.21jelly-homepolishkoop: mpg321 -vvv file.mp3
23:01.28polishkoopahhhhh it worked
23:02.01jelly-homeso the problem lies with gnome then, not with the card.
23:02.02polishkoopi guess i had it working the whole time.... *sigh*.
23:02.24maikoli have fresh install. i need my kernel source. i did m-a prepare. now what needs to be done?
23:02.26polishkoopjelly-home: okay im gonna check to see how i can get it set up with gnome.  I'll be back if i cant figure it out.  Thanks a bunch!
23:02.33jelly-homenp
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23:09.56zamaliphehow to reconfig cvs that already been installed ?
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23:12.33epsilonedit the conf manualy or use reconfigure of dpkg
23:13.26jetscreamerdpkg, moronic_idiot is <reply> who is the stupid shorsighted moronic idiot who thought it would be a good idea to autodirect freenode users with the user name of knoppix to #knoppix?
23:13.27dpkgjetscreamer: okay
23:13.43jetscreamerdpkg lock moronic_idiot
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23:14.58jetscreamerdpkg, no moronic_idiot is <reply> who is the stupid shortsighted moronic idiot who thought it would be a good idea to autodirect freenode users with the user name of knoppix to #knoppix?
23:14.59dpkgokay, jetscreamer
23:15.08robin_szthere is *probably* a good reason ... but, well, Joomla, the CMS system .. you know the one that is perhaps more used than any other open source CMS ... umm, howcome its not been deb pacakged then?
23:15.13azeemjetscreamer: is this a question?
23:15.24jetscreamerazeem: if you can answer it
23:15.36azeemdpkg: forget moronic_idiot
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23:15.57zamalipheepsilon: so how to use the  reconfigure of dpkg
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23:16.13jetscreamer!gdfbs
23:16.13dpkggdfbs is probably [17:58:42] [470] #debian #knoppix Forwarding to another channel
23:16.15beardyzamaliphe: reconfigure what?
23:16.16polishkoopjelly-home: i figured out that the sound only works on root.  When i try playing that mp3 on a regular account it doesn't work
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23:16.23zamaliphecvs
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23:16.35jetscreamerpolishkoop: add the user to the audio group maybe
23:16.39azeemjetscreamer: stop using dpkg as a pastebin
23:16.39zamaliphebeardy: cvs
23:16.47polishkoopjetscreamer: how do i do that?
23:16.56jetscreameradduser user audio
23:17.10jetscreamerusername rather, or id#
23:17.11stazichhi, can anyone tell me how to configure X ?
23:17.16jetscreamer!drxx stazich
23:17.17dpkgstazich: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
23:17.25polishkoopyup tyhat did it
23:17.30polishkoopthanks a bunch
23:17.32jetscreamer!tell stazich -about hwinfo
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23:18.02beardyzamaliphe: 'dpkg-reconfigure cvs' perhaps, if the packagename is cvs
23:18.07polishkoopjetscreamer: actually now im able to turn up and down the sound... but i still cant hear the music
23:18.45zamaliphebeardy: thanks
23:18.53jetscreamerpolishkoop: lots of times the mixer is muted by default, check the pcm as well as the master volume
23:19.03stonedI got the ipv6 broker setup, client configured and ran, ifconfig shows my ipv6 and i can ping it, but how do I make it so that is the only visible ip from me when I get online
23:19.07stazichi get dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
23:19.08stonedI can't figure that out
23:19.13stonedanyone?
23:19.16azeemstazich: run it as root
23:19.16jetscreamerplus the audio outpuit settings of whatever sound app maybe
23:19.22beardystazich: as root
23:19.24jetscreameroutput
23:19.39stazichok
23:19.39exobyteI just did a weird install on my soekris box.  When it boots, instead of seeing grub, * is printed to the screen a lot
23:20.08polishkoopjetscreamer: when i go into the console and type in mpg321 blahblah.mp3 it says can't find a suitable libao driver
23:20.35jetscreamerpolishkoop: not sure, you might need some lib or codec. got marillat?
23:20.59polishkoopjetscreamer: no.  In the upper right corner i have that volume thing.  It won't let me raise it from 0.
23:21.08azeempolishkoop: check the options, you might need to tell mpg312 that you are using also (if you do)
23:21.22jetscreameralso...
23:21.38jetscreameralsa
23:21.42jetscreameroslo
23:22.18polishkoopazeem: how do I do that?
23:22.38azeempolishkoop: man mpg321
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23:24.50jetscreamer!tell polishkoop -about marillat
23:25.11jetscreamerpolishkoop: ah you may need more modules
23:25.15jetscreamer!alsa-bork
23:25.16dpkgwell, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base
23:25.34polishkoopjetscreamer: i think i need to take a break though.  all of this is overwhelming.
23:25.47jetscreamerpolishkoop: know if you use oss or alsa though when you start up again
23:25.52jetscreameris the first thing
23:25.55jetscreamerto find out
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23:26.08polishkoopjetscreamer: i have alsa installed.  At least as a root, it doens't seem to be working on my account
23:26.09jelly-homepolishkoop: mpg321 -o alsa foo.mp3
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23:26.39jelly-homepolishkoop: if you added yourself to audio group, you need to logoff and logon again.
23:26.49polishkoopjelly-home: right-o, brb
23:26.52gehidoreevening, any *macbook* ownders in the room?
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23:29.07zamaliphehow to Set environment var CVSROOT
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23:29.44beardyzamaliphe: For which user?
23:29.50zamalipheme
23:30.28zamaliphebeardy: i only need to understand how cvs  work
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23:30.42beardyzamaliphe: Add "export CVSROOT=value" to you ~/.bashrc, or ~/.profile
23:30.51beardys/you/your/
23:31.09beardybah..
23:31.11Eulexzamaliphe, usually you don't need to set CVSROOT when working with cvs
23:31.30beardyzamaliphe: that is ~/.bash_profile
23:31.34zamaliphecvs init: No CVSROOT specified!  Please use the `-d' option
23:31.36Mitja#kde is pretty much asleep now, anyone using it here?
23:31.43killown<PROTECTED>
23:31.51beardyMitja: Ask a real question if you have to, instead.
23:31.55MitjaDoes your gamma behave correctly?
23:31.59Eulexzamaliphe, a properly checked-out repository will handle it for you. where are you running this? what are you trying to do?
23:32.07MitjaIt sets lighter just after boot
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23:32.50beardyzamaliphe: listen to and follow Eulex's advice
23:34.31Eulexzamaliphe, oh, and if you're doing something initial (ie inital init or checkout), set the CVSROOT with -d as it tells you.
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23:40.42GeorgeS069howdy folks
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23:47.40sebas007hi, any idea... how to get around this... g# mount -o remount,rw /
23:47.41sebas007mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
23:48.16owhsebas007: What kind of device is sda1?
23:48.30sebas007owh: sata disk.
23:48.46owhsebas007: Did you fiddle with jumpers and make it read only?
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23:48.57sebas007on a live server... not nice.
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23:49.07owhsebas007: Fair comment :)
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23:49.29owhsebas007: Is it corrupt perhaps?
23:49.43FrostbiteHas anyone here used OpenAFS or Coda?  Are they ready for production use?  I'm tempted to try them on my apache cluster - use rsync for htdocs atm...
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23:49.51sebas007owh: nope, I turned like that after some errors with the sata driver.
23:50.08owhsebas007: What kind of errors?
23:50.59GeorgeS069:0
23:51.23sebas007owh: :-)
23:51.58Azarouch and I just ordered a PC with sata, oh my god!
23:52.03sebas007owh: really want to see the error... ugly!  I tell you.
23:52.04Azaris not gonna work with Debian
23:52.31sebas007Azar: I wish you ALL THE LUCK !
23:52.48owhAzar: Try running with a sata/pata device that lies about itself on a Thinkpad :-) Suffice to say, I'm using it now with Debian :-)
23:52.52sebas007owh: Jun 17 17:05:59 che kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 12727990 Jun 17 17:06:00 che kernel: sda: Current: sense key: Aborted Command Jun 17 17:06:00 che kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 12727998
23:53.02Azardamn, well I will keep it until Debian will work with sata.. maybe next year
23:53.36owhsebas007: That looks like a hardware error for a  block. Have you tried to do a filesystem check, seeing that it's currently readonly anyway?
23:53.37sebas007Azar: it all depends on the controlor!
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23:53.50sebas007owh: yes I did.
23:53.56owhsebas007: And?
23:54.30Azarsebas007: on the specs it only say: sata interface and the HD is sata
23:54.32sebas007owh: I did not get anything special.  no errors to fix.
23:55.21owhsebas007: This is a wild guess, don't try this at home it will make you blind, but have you tried unloading the modules and reloading them? Also, what else was happening when you got the error?
23:55.39sebas007Azar: hum... have a good look at the control chipset.  it will save you a lot of going around.  that is my advice. :-)
23:55.53owhsebas007: Suffice to say that if you need to unload the modules, you'd likely need to unmount the drive :-)
23:55.55GeorgeS069that is really starting to sound like a bad module corrupted the drive
23:56.52owhsebas007: Which filesystem is it using?
23:57.06GeorgeS069anyone else getting errors resolving  pool.ntp.org or is it just me?
23:57.11sebas007owh: I was load a large db dump file in mysql.
23:57.20sebas007owh: ext3
23:57.32owhGeorgeS069: Works for me.
23:57.55GeorgeS069grrr...gonna kick the shit outta named
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23:58.27owhsebas007: Hmm, I'm back with corrupt module.
23:58.50sebas007owh: I have to go... for diner.   doh... I will
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23:59.08sebas007owh: a corrupt module? which would be?

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