| 00:00.07 | Lemmel | X fails to start with "could not load default font 'fixed'". Tried every fix I found using google, none helped. The problem occured when trying to get xorg 7 and xgl to work. |
| 00:01.02 | gravity | Lemmel: Do you have xfonts-base installed? |
| 00:01.10 | Lemmel | (I have the xorg.conf and recent log @ pastebin if anyone is interested) |
| 00:01.11 | Lemmel | yes |
| 00:01.14 | gravity | If it's a problem beyond that, then it's an Xgl problem and you're on your own |
| 00:01.20 | gravity | Try #xgl |
| 00:01.27 | Lemmel | ahh, ok, thanks |
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| 00:10.42 | DaLeach | anyone successfully configure 1680x1050 (widescreen)? |
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| 00:14.30 | pipeline | DaLeach: Screen ratios other than 1:1, 4:3, and 5:4 require custom modelines :( |
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| 00:14.38 | pipeline | DaLeach: You can't just set the resolution, in other words. |
| 00:14.45 | pipeline | DaLeach: You need to find a modeline made for your laptop specifically. |
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| 00:14.52 | DaLeach | well I went into XF86Config-4 |
| 00:15.44 | DaLeach | the funny thign is btw my monitor had printed 16:9 but also insisted 1680x1050 (and that's what's wrokgin with windows at 60 hz... and games auto detect it at taht to)... |
| 00:15.56 | DaLeach | and the games are saying that's a 16:10 ratio |
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| 00:17.02 | DaLeach | its def 16:10 heh... |
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| 00:17.34 | dongs | i keep getting "" Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost - Connection refused" in my samba logs, i dont have any printers and i dont want to print anything, how can i disable this |
| 00:17.40 | smacnay | what would be the most painles way to upgrade iptables to 1.3.5 in Debian and then start using the .deb iptables package again when it reaches 1.3.5? Remove the current .deb package, download and install 1.3.5 iptables from source, and wait/watch? |
| 00:17.57 | dongs | DaLeach: 1680x1050? thats my lcd's res. |
| 00:18.09 | DaLeach | nice yeah u have that working in deb? |
| 00:18.19 | Eulex | pipeline, depends on the video driver. 1680x1050 and 1280x800 works here without modelines. |
| 00:18.29 | Eulex | DaLeach, what gfx card? |
| 00:18.29 | DaLeach | i mean right now its going to 1400x1050 stretching things hehe |
| 00:18.44 | dongs | can your video card do that high res? |
| 00:18.44 | DaLeach | geforce 6800 gt oc |
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| 00:18.50 | dongs | eh that should work just fine. |
| 00:18.57 | DaLeach | and my 3d games work and stuff... I see the Nvidia screen at start up...installed those correctly a wihle back |
| 00:18.59 | dongs | its working on 6600 here. |
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| 00:19.18 | Eulex | DaLeach, you'll need to edit the XF86Config-4, the configuring script won't add that resolution. |
| 00:19.22 | kreg_work | i'm told there is a shared network printer here at the office, yet i'm using debian. anyone got advise as to how to "hookup" to the network printer? |
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| 00:19.48 | dongs | kreg_work: its either a lpr or smb printer, find out which kind, and use appropriate software to connect. |
| 00:19.56 | RoAkSoAx | helloooooooo hey i have a problem i;ve installed debian etch and now i cant boot linux it says cant load xserver |
| 00:20.11 | dongs | RoAkSoAx: if it says that, linux is already booted. |
| 00:20.29 | anabain | Is there any way to have a PC1's Xsession 'transferred' to a PC2 (both PCs are in a LAN)? |
| 00:20.47 | unix_infidel | maybe screen? |
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| 00:20.54 | Kevin` | you can use it remotely with x11vnc |
| 00:20.55 | dongs | lol, screen. |
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| 00:20.59 | dongs | i think he DID say xsession. |
| 00:21.05 | DaLeach | Eulex: thanks yeah trying to do that.. I think i was using the wrong modelines...messed it up with the calc i guess.. |
| 00:21.08 | RoAkSoAx | dongs: it stays saying that isbringing up root filesystem or something like that and i dont have too mucho commands, not even reboot shutdown poweroff etc etc |
| 00:21.13 | unix_infidel | oh, i just read session and transfer |
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| 00:21.19 | dongs | duno |
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| 00:21.55 | Eulex | DaLeach, I'm not sure that you need a modeline. try just adding 1680x1050 to the Modes lines |
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| 00:22.15 | anabain | Kevin`, do you mean run x11vnc in PC2? |
| 00:22.17 | grendal_prime | anyone ever connected like a cf gps card via a cf-pcmcia converter? |
| 00:22.22 | pinky_ | Okay so I'm trying to copy files from my old NTFS partition, but they use a character encoding scheme in the filenames that confuses the hell out of Debian. Example: |
| 00:22.24 | pinky_ | Sigur R�s - Von - 03 - H�n J�r�.mp3 |
| 00:22.40 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight? |
| 00:22.40 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 00:22.45 | dongs | pinky_: looks like utf8 |
| 00:22.46 | Kevin` | run x11vnc on the computer with the X server already running |
| 00:22.46 | pinky_ | What encoding scheme did Win2k use that Debian cannot handle? |
| 00:23.02 | DaLeach | Eulex: yeah ok it may have been messing it up thanks.. |
| 00:23.03 | abrotman | UTF? |
| 00:23.10 | DaLeach | giogn to give that a shot |
| 00:23.25 | Eulex | windows usually doesn't use utf in filenames |
| 00:23.28 | pinky_ | Linux cannot read UTF? Hmm, well how the hell do I copy these files over. |
| 00:23.42 | pinky_ | Well there are non-standard characters in these filenames |
| 00:23.49 | Eulex | no, no. linux *expects* utf, windows doesn't use utf. |
| 00:23.58 | pipeline | Eulex: Windows can use UTf. |
| 00:24.06 | abrotman | pinky_: you didn't tell linux to use UTF |
| 00:24.16 | Eulex | pipeline, yeah, but usually not. at least not in filenames. |
| 00:24.32 | kreg_work | dongs is there a tool or something i can use to scan the local network? |
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| 00:24.45 | abrotman | gravity: lots of things have UTF related bugs :) |
| 00:24.47 | Eulex | abrotman, if he didn't do that, he'd get two chars per real character |
| 00:24.47 | pinky_ | It SHOULD be "Sigur Rós - Von - 03 - Hún jörð.mp3" but instead it is "Sigur R�s - Von - 03 - H�n J�r�.mp3" |
| 00:24.50 | dongs | kreg_work: for the printer? |
| 00:24.50 | gravity | hehe |
| 00:24.56 | kreg_work | dongs yes |
| 00:24.58 | abrotman | Eulex: or the stupid squares |
| 00:25.02 | gravity | pinky_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:25.03 | dongs | kreg_work: why dont you just walk over and look and/or ask the admins |
| 00:25.08 | pinky_ | Yeah what's up with those squares too |
| 00:25.12 | dongs | kreg_work: if its a print server, it most liekly can be accessed by either smb or lpr |
| 00:25.13 | abrotman | see! |
| 00:25.30 | abrotman | pinky_: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. pick a UTF .. and make it your default |
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| 00:26.00 | dongs | dont oyu need utf8 nls in the kernel |
| 00:26.01 | dongs | before that works? |
| 00:26.10 | abrotman | engrish ? |
| 00:26.19 | kreg_work | dongs, no one here knows anything about them. they all use windows and say "i dunno they just show up" |
| 00:26.20 | pinky_ | I ran that, and the one that already has a star by it is "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" |
| 00:26.26 | abrotman | is it your default? |
| 00:26.43 | anabain | Kevin`, then I need to run x11vnc in PC1. But must I logout in PC1 in order to have acces to X from PC2? What I wanted to is not having to logout PC1, if possible |
| 00:26.52 | gravity | pinky_: Are you using gdm? |
| 00:27.03 | pinky_ | It's the only one on the entire list that has a star by it. |
| 00:27.05 | Kevin` | anabain you do not have to logout to use it |
| 00:27.07 | kreg_work | dongs so if they all just show up in windowsXP, i'm guessing they would be samba |
| 00:27.15 | dongs | kreg_work: well, i guess you can nmap your lan |
| 00:27.18 | dongs | with -p515 |
| 00:27.20 | dongs | (the lpr port) |
| 00:27.23 | dongs | and see if anything shows up. |
| 00:27.24 | pinky_ | gravity: I am using gdm yes, but this problem happens whether I'm using GNOME, KDE, or any other wm |
| 00:27.34 | anabain | Kerr, oh, fantastic, thanx |
| 00:27.35 | Gnurdux | I'm curious about 1 thing: tightvncserver can't go into testing because it can't build on AMD64, but given that it was previously removed, and the old version has deps issues, so that dist-upgrade actually REMOVES it, couldn't it be put into testing anyway for the arches that it DOES run on? and if not, will we HAVE to wait the full 10 days for it to go in, given that it would seem to be a high priority? |
| 00:27.36 | gravity | pinky_: Hrm. What does the "locale" command say is your locale? |
| 00:27.42 | kreg_work | dongs, nmap the network ip? |
| 00:27.44 | gravity | pinky_: You don't have to put them all |
| 00:27.47 | dongs | kreg_work: your subnet |
| 00:28.00 | dongs | since you dont know the printer's ip? i guess. |
| 00:28.01 | pinky_ | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en |
| 00:28.14 | gravity | Hrm... ok, now that's odd. You have your locale set properly |
| 00:28.16 | kreg_work | nope don't know the printers ip. so that would be 192.168.0.0 since it's /24 |
| 00:28.26 | kreg_work | nmap 192.168.0.0 -p 515 |
| 00:28.30 | dongs | nmap -p515 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 00:28.43 | pinky_ | So what the hell is the difference between UTF-8, Unicode, and ISO/IEC 8859? |
| 00:28.44 | ki`es_tu | This .iso isn't downloading fast enough. :( |
| 00:28.51 | pinky_ | And where does ASCII fit into all of that? |
| 00:29.32 | epssy | they are all standards for dealing with chars....see wikipedia |
| 00:29.56 | pinky_ | OKay well... which one does Windows 2000 use and why can't Linux deal with it? |
| 00:30.12 | dongs | utf8? |
| 00:30.27 | pinky_ | Win2kPro + NTFS uses UTF-8? |
| 00:30.33 | epssy | windows uses any and all of those (based on ascii iirc first) and linux deals with it fine out of the box (technically it does it better) |
| 00:30.34 | dongs | NTFS uses utf8. |
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| 00:30.46 | epssy | kk dongs |
| 00:31.00 | pinky_ | Well then why can't I read the "weird" characters in filenames on this NTF partition? |
| 00:31.03 | pinky_ | *NTFS |
| 00:31.03 | Gnurdux | anyone? |
| 00:31.16 | pinky_ | It SHOULD be "Sigur Rós - Von - 03 - Hún jörð.mp3" but instead it is "Sigur R�s - Von - 03 - H�n J�r�.mp3" |
| 00:31.29 | dongs | hm. |
| 00:31.42 | stew | pinky_: there is a utf8 mount option for ntfs, man mount |
| 00:31.42 | ki`es_tu | pink_, it's the same. |
| 00:31.47 | epssy | Gnurdux: not really sure, its always installed for me...why not grab the package from unstable and install it or similar? |
| 00:31.54 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 00:31.56 | Gnurdux | good idea |
| 00:32.05 | Gnurdux | and eventually, testing will catch up |
| 00:32.11 | Eulex | pinky_, first, try setting your correct icelandic locale. you're running an english right now. |
| 00:32.27 | epssy | thats always what I hope when I get things from experimental :P |
| 00:32.34 | Gnurdux | hehe |
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| 00:32.46 | Gnurdux | debian is too conservative in my opinion |
| 00:32.57 | Gnurdux | unstable is more conservative than many distro's stables |
| 00:33.00 | epssy | then dont use it |
| 00:33.10 | Gnurdux | nah, its too good in other areas not to use it |
| 00:33.17 | epssy | haha, my unstable install has died five times in the last week |
| 00:33.25 | epssy | even ubuntu is more stable than that :P |
| 00:33.27 | Nach | too conservative? |
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| 00:33.56 | Eulex | !tell Gnurdux about sdn |
| 00:34.00 | epssy | Gnurdux: I agree in regard to release schedual and package movements in etch though I run sid which is reasonably bleeding edge so it doesn't worry me |
| 00:34.03 | epssy | sdn? |
| 00:34.06 | Gnurdux | Nach, like bzflag got removed because of bugs, then they had to wait 10 days to put the new one in AFTER they got it to build on the last architexture |
| 00:34.07 | Eulex | Gnurdux, get the old version that was remove from there |
| 00:34.08 | Eulex | !sdn |
| 00:34.09 | dpkg | from memory, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 00:34.14 | anabain | Kevin`, then: in PC1 x11vnc (server) and in PC2 xvncviewer (client)? |
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| 00:34.29 | epssy | kthx |
| 00:34.30 | Nach | Gnurdux, that's called stability |
| 00:34.32 | pinky_ | Eulex: I have to set a non-English locale to read these filenames? |
| 00:34.46 | Gnurdux | Nach, testing isn't supposed to be stable, thats what stable is for ;P |
| 00:34.57 | Eulex | pinky_, may be, I'm not sure. you could try at least. |
| 00:35.01 | epssy | pinky_: yes because those filenames use nonenglish chars |
| 00:35.04 | Kevin` | anabain, yes |
| 00:35.09 | anabain | ok, thansk |
| 00:35.15 | pinky_ | Can I have mutiple locales set? |
| 00:35.18 | epssy | yes |
| 00:35.20 | Nach | Gnurdux, testing shouldn't contain known bugs either |
| 00:35.30 | gravity | That's not true |
| 00:35.31 | epssy | iirc anyway |
| 00:35.33 | Gnurdux | Nach, i know, i agree with the removing |
| 00:35.41 | gravity | Nach: Testing will contain tons of known bugs. Just not known RC bugs |
| 00:35.42 | Gnurdux | what I don't agree with was how long it took to put the new one in |
| 00:35.54 | Gnurdux | the new one was working before the old one was removed |
| 00:35.58 | gravity | Nothing could get in without known bugs except software no one uses |
| 00:36.11 | dongs | i keep getting "" Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost - Connection refused" in my samba logs, i dont have any printers and i dont want to print anything, how can i disable this |
| 00:36.26 | epssy | dongs: kill cups |
| 00:36.33 | Nach | Gnurdux, what do you mean by you don't agree with how long it took? things don't happen overnight, people have lives too |
| 00:36.45 | Gnurdux | Nach, that wasn't why though |
| 00:36.50 | Gnurdux | it was because the had to wait 10 days |
| 00:36.52 | dongs | epssy: clearly, i dont even have it installed |
| 00:36.57 | Eulex | gravity, hmm, I've always wondered: in some cases they remove a package only to add it again when a new version is added. like they did to tightvncserver now. why do they do this? |
| 00:36.59 | Gnurdux | after the latest update |
| 00:37.02 | dongs | i want samba to stop trying to use it |
| 00:37.11 | epssy | Gnurdux: if you dont think x will start again always make sure you have irssi or bitchx installed |
| 00:37.12 | Gnurdux | Eulex, yea the tightvncserver is pissing me off too |
| 00:37.19 | epssy | lol dongs I see |
| 00:37.20 | Gnurdux | epssy, i should be able to fix it |
| 00:37.22 | Gnurdux | in CLI |
| 00:37.26 | Gnurdux | i can always re-apt-get it |
| 00:37.38 | epssy | there is a section on printers in /etc/samba.something dongs ...just comment it out I geuss? |
| 00:37.54 | pinky_ | Eulex, so I used dpkg-reconfigure locales to add Iceland UTF-8 in addition to English, but I kept English default. Should I make Icleandic default or do I need to remount this NTFS partition? |
| 00:38.10 | gravity | Eulex: It depends. Sometimes packages are removed because they're simply too buggy. Other times, if they simply want to update the version, there can be complicated reasons why the scripts that do the propagation to testing can't handle the update without removing the old package |
| 00:38.11 | dongs | epssy: i did. printer related stuff is removed. like 'load printers = no' etc. |
| 00:38.18 | gravity | Eulex: I don't really understand those reasons though |
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| 00:38.39 | epssy | dongs: I'm out of ideas then, sorry |
| 00:38.40 | Eulex | pinky_, try launching whatever file browser you use with LANG=name_of_icelandic_locale command |
| 00:38.54 | Eulex | gravity, hmm, ok |
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| 00:39.02 | dongs | http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2005-October/112236.html |
| 00:39.05 | dongs | looks liek that wokrs |
| 00:39.13 | abrotman | icicles can read? |
| 00:39.37 | epssy | lol dongs, will remember that |
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| 00:39.53 | Gnurdux | X works :) |
| 00:39.54 | epssy | icicles can indeed read, racist! |
| 00:40.01 | epssy | cool |
| 00:40.27 | epssy | mmm wonder how you queue songs in itunes |
| 00:40.53 | abrotman | ask #macosx |
| 00:41.01 | epssy | cbf :P |
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| 00:41.21 | ki`es_tu | Which partitioning scheme should I use to install Debian? All files in one partition, Desktop machine, or Multi-user workstation? |
| 00:41.32 | Hypersniper | has anyone seen mentor recently? |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | he was here .. just a bit ago .. why? |
| 00:41.45 | abrotman | !seen mentor |
| 00:41.46 | dpkg | mentor <n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 8d 1h 46m 25s ago, saying: 'guys...really.'. |
| 00:41.50 | abrotman | eh .. that's wrong |
| 00:41.56 | abrotman | he's not been using his hostmask i guess |
| 00:41.56 | epssy | I think my head is going to exploded soon having to use osx, linux, and windows daily for extended periods of time...each one has different programs to do the same tasks and different ways to use them....so much to remember :| |
| 00:42.03 | Hypersniper | ahhhh |
| 00:42.07 | abrotman | Hypersniper: why? |
| 00:42.27 | Hypersniper | I have a new money making scheme that he may be interested in :p |
| 00:42.33 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 00:42.42 | iLLf8d | epssy watchout for itunes its evil and borglike |
| 00:42.46 | abrotman | epssy: soon you'll be a pro |
| 00:42.49 | abrotman | Hypersniper: send him an email? |
| 00:43.34 | epssy | abrotman: haha, soon? I've been doing this arrangement for around half a year and the only thing I've become a pro at is hating windows...it is so far behind debian/ubuntu and osx it could make me cry |
| 00:43.37 | Hypersniper | the lazy man won't check it |
| 00:43.40 | ricky_clarkson | epssy: Many Linuxy programs can work on Windows, some of their own accord and some via things like Cygwin. |
| 00:43.42 | epssy | iLLf8d: what is wrong with itunes? |
| 00:43.51 | abrotman | Hypersniper: maybe he's busy? |
| 00:43.51 | mbishop | drm |
| 00:43.59 | ricky_clarkson | What's that .m4a thing that itunes stores things as? |
| 00:43.59 | Hypersniper | heh. He's not been on jabber for a few days. I thought he might have died |
| 00:44.04 | abrotman | epssy: oh well .. it happens |
| 00:44.15 | abrotman | Hypersniper: well .. he's not using his hostmask .. go knock on his door |
| 00:44.17 | epssy | ricky_clarkson: far to much effort to use over native, outside of firefox which I use on win/lin all of the programs are seperate |
| 00:44.21 | epssy | abrotman: indeed |
| 00:44.33 | Hypersniper | abrotman: too lazy :) |
| 00:44.45 | ricky_clarkson | epssy: Nah, bash can replace explorer. |
| 00:44.46 | epssy | ricky_clarkson: .m4a is a playlist file iirc, winamp used to use it and xmms uses it |
| 00:44.52 | iLLf8d | epssy, it likes to manage your collection and remove items from the lib when it should be removing them only from your playlists, it also likes to resort your collection, crapple likes to monitor your purchasing too |
| 00:44.52 | epssy | haha |
| 00:44.53 | abrotman | Hypersniper: you're just as bad as he is |
| 00:45.01 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, so .m4as aren't music - makes sense. |
| 00:45.01 | Hypersniper | heh |
| 00:45.10 | kreg_work | dongs found one. but it's a d-link "printer server" thing with two printers hooked to it. nmap says it only speaks 515 not samba |
| 00:45.13 | epssy | I love bash...ten minutes of trying to do things in batch makes you want to run home and hide in a bash script |
| 00:45.16 | Gnurdux | the tightvnc unstable package doesnt work |
| 00:45.22 | ricky_clarkson | Where are the .mp3s normally kept by itunes? Sorry for asking that here, but it flows from the previous topic. |
| 00:45.34 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 00:45.40 | epssy | ricky_clarkson: they have some stupid way of storing them in subfolders |
| 00:45.54 | epssy | don't really follow it...I assume there is some horrible drm added or some thing |
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| 00:46.04 | iLLf8d | ricky_clarkson, right click on an mp3 and hit info it'll showya the path |
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| 00:46.41 | ricky_clarkson | I didn't try hard, but I couldn't find them on someone's machine. |
| 00:47.02 | epssy | mmm |
| 00:47.21 | iLLf8d | I dislike osx alot gonna probably put ppc debian on my mac mini |
| 00:47.42 | ricky_clarkson | I was busy. Recently become a DJ and was burning a load of CDs from my laptop, and someone was saying "oh, get some of my music too" but I didn't have time to fiddle. |
| 00:48.10 | epssy | am i the only one that likes osx? mmm maybe its just because I'm bored with everything else |
| 00:48.34 | iLLf8d | epssy its all about your taste some ppls love it others can't stand it |
| 00:48.42 | iLLf8d | I'm in the can't stand category |
| 00:48.58 | epssy | I love the eye candy :P |
| 00:49.05 | epssy | its just so well done |
| 00:49.19 | iLLf8d | I'm too much about the hotkeys to bother moving my mouse to wait on some eyecandy |
| 00:49.31 | epssy | lol |
| 00:49.56 | iLLf8d | I do like data display tho |
| 00:49.59 | epssy | I have a mac laptop so using the mouse is simple...I cant stand using mac desktops |
| 00:50.09 | iLLf8d | adesklets/karamba/dashboard/etc... |
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| 00:50.40 | epssy | i miss f9 and 10 when using linux |
| 00:50.54 | epssy | cant wait for expose` style stuff to come |
| 00:51.06 | iLLf8d | epssy just use xgl |
| 00:51.15 | iLLf8d | its nicer then osx style crap |
| 00:51.50 | epssy | dont want to, wine and cedega dont play games well or at all with compiz |
| 00:52.02 | epssy | atm I'm using xcompmgr w/ transset under xorg7 |
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| 00:52.18 | epssy | does the trick for all the transperant and shadow stuff, but no expose :( |
| 00:52.28 | epssy | oh and it kills fps on the graphics card :P |
| 00:52.41 | kreg_work | in gnome on "testing", i'm using the printer wizard (some front end to cups), to try an add a printer. I see that on my lan 192.168.0.10 has port 515 listening, but i have no idea what the printer is, step 1 asks for a host and queue, and step 2 asks for a printer driver. how do you know what the queue is? where do i get a driver? if it's a network printer how come i need a driver? |
| 00:52.53 | iLLf8d | epssy thats one feature I never use and when it goes off accidentally it pisses me off (I gotta set it to not use the corners to turn it on) |
| 00:53.16 | iLLf8d | funny how different ppls preferences can be |
| 00:53.28 | bvs | expose is the only good thing they have in compiz so far |
| 00:53.33 | epssy | lol |
| 00:53.34 | DaLeach | Eulex: I tried commenting out the modelines.. didn't work..also checked and it was calculated correctly.. |
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| 00:53.54 | Eulex | DaLeach, hmm, dunno then. never had to mess with modelines. |
| 00:54.04 | epssy | iLLf8d: yeah, like I couldn't use a mac that didn't have quicksilver installed, yet other people cant use them without other apps that I see no point for |
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| 00:54.42 | DaLeach | yeah i'm wondering if its like a kde thing... if its a windows manager thing? (I use kde) maybe i'm in it but these don't know how to handle? |
| 00:54.43 | ki`es_tu | Can you run linux on a mac system? |
| 00:54.49 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 00:54.53 | epssy | yes |
| 00:55.08 | iLLf8d | there are even a few ppc live cds to mess around with |
| 00:55.12 | ki`es_tu | On an iBook? |
| 00:55.15 | iLLf8d | tho the new macs I dunno |
| 00:55.17 | epssy | ubuntu has one |
| 00:55.20 | epssy | yeah |
| 00:55.38 | Eulex | DaLeach, nope, that shouldn't matter |
| 00:55.40 | ki`es_tu | I seen PPC on the Debian CD ISO download area. |
| 00:55.49 | DaLeach | Eulex: yeah didn't htink so thanks heh |
| 00:56.47 | DaLeach | Eulex: do you know from what file this kde screen resize & rotate prog is getting its res list from? I mean at one point i managed to change it with XF86Config-4....now it looks to be ignoring it |
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| 00:57.24 | DaLeach | those res's are no where in my file...it doesn't seem to be even looking at it |
| 00:57.32 | pinky_ | I found a really good solution for dealing with those Sigur Rós MP3s... |
| 00:57.35 | iLLf8d | actually the deb based live ppc cds seem to work quite well fast as far as live cds go |
| 00:57.40 | pinky_ | Re-rip to FLAC! |
| 00:58.12 | _toast_ | heh |
| 00:58.36 | pinky_ | Ahhh, lossless |
| 00:59.02 | iLLf8d | bigger tho too and not fairly well supported in portable devices |
| 00:59.18 | Eulex | DaLeach, nope, sorry :/ |
| 00:59.31 | iLLf8d | sad that ogg and flac aren't more popular then mp3 |
| 00:59.33 | DaLeach | heh thanks though |
| 01:00.05 | Eulex | DaLeach, it might be using some resolutions it automatically detects, though. |
| 01:00.34 | DaLeach | yeah |
| 01:01.43 | kreg_work | how come in the gnome printer setup wizard, nothing shows up under "manufacture" when trying to select a driver? |
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| 01:02.21 | pinky_ | iLLf8d: Pshh, who cares about portable device support? As long as you have a lossless copy on your HDD you can transcode to any lossy format whenever you want. |
| 01:02.46 | kreg_work | damn this is only printing, not advanced bind security |
| 01:02.58 | pinky_ | Besides, I'd rather not have FLAC on a portable audio player because those things have limited space, and the high bitrate would strain the decoder on the damn thing draining the battery life like no tomorrow. |
| 01:03.04 | kreg_work | i never realized that printing in linux had to be hard to grasp |
| 01:03.33 | iLLf8d | kreg_work, you kinda install cups and add it from the web interface and it works |
| 01:03.34 | pinky_ | But I certainly share your despair when it comes to lack of support for Vorbis audio. |
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| 01:03.47 | kreg_work | iLLf8d, it's a network printer, not a local |
| 01:03.52 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 01:03.53 | iLLf8d | so? |
| 01:03.54 | kreg_work | all the work "should" be done. |
| 01:04.01 | kreg_work | since it's a network printer |
| 01:04.17 | iLLf8d | I have a network printer and you still need the driver to mangle the printjob |
| 01:04.22 | kreg_work | can't i just say print to 192.168.0.10 and figure the rest out on your own? then press the print button? |
| 01:04.45 | iLLf8d | possibly you'll need a filter of some kind tho probably like apsfilter etc... |
| 01:04.56 | kreg_work | none of the windows clients are using drivers. it's one of those big office things |
| 01:05.05 | meppl | gute nacht |
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| 01:05.29 | iLLf8d | kreg_work, yes they are |
| 01:05.44 | iLLf8d | they use a local copy of hte printer driver before they send it off |
| 01:06.16 | kreg_work | iLLf8d, i guess i'm really confused then. i use gnome and i know nothing about the printer. I want to be able to do just like an idiot windows client and browse for it, then choose it, and press print. |
| 01:06.40 | iLLf8d | you can send things to the printer but some things need to be formatted to look right |
| 01:06.41 | kreg_work | google has my seriously lost |
| 01:06.46 | kreg_work | ok |
| 01:06.58 | abrotman | pinky_: we don't care |
| 01:07.00 | kreg_work | so step one, am i trying to download a wizard? |
| 01:07.13 | kreg_work | apt-cache search printer driver results alot of various printer topics |
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| 01:07.23 | iLLf8d | I'd just install cups and add it from the interface works like a charm for local or network printers |
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| 01:07.48 | pinky_ | abrotman: I love you. |
| 01:07.58 | abrotman | pinky_: we don't care about that either :)\ |
| 01:08.04 | gravity | awwww |
| 01:08.07 | ricky_clarkson | I care about it deeply. |
| 01:08.12 | iLLf8d | kreg_work, can I query you so I don't flood the channel with cups cruft? |
| 01:08.12 | gravity | You reject his tender advances? |
| 01:08.18 | pinky_ | Thank you, ricky_clarkson. |
| 01:08.25 | gravity | iLLf8d: Use a paster. /msg dpkg paster |
| 01:08.27 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I thought we had an arrangement, now you're letting this fool get close! |
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| 01:08.38 | kreg_work | iLLf8d, ya that's fine, i'm netstating for my local cups dameon and i'll try to find the web interface |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you haven't yet crossed the pond! |
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| 01:13.09 | nvz | abrotman: the ladies must love you,youre just so sensitive |
| 01:13.18 | abrotman | nvz: piss off |
| 01:13.42 | nvz | better than being pissed on :P |
| 01:13.54 | gravity | Unless you're in to that |
| 01:13.58 | nvz | heh |
| 01:14.39 | ricky_clarkson | urbandictionary cleveland steamer - if you're feeling brave. |
| 01:14.52 | nvz | thats gross, but I've seen worse.. some peoplle like deficating on each other |
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| 01:15.10 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I think you defacated on your keyboard. |
| 01:15.17 | ricky_clarkson | defecated, even. |
| 01:15.28 | nvz | na its just aa little shitty..its an emachines |
| 01:15.40 | nvz | heh bad choice of words there |
| 01:16.46 | nvz | its not mine,its my grandmothers emachine |
| 01:17.44 | dvs | nvz: I thought you loved your grandma. ;-) |
| 01:17.48 | epssy | lol |
| 01:18.07 | epssy | off topic maybe? |
| 01:18.18 | nvz | she broke her keyboard then bought oneof them fancy MM keyboards and would rather have the emachine onethat has only internet,email,search,mute and volume keys and traded my cousin for his emachine keyboard which seems tome to have a broken spacebar among other issues |
| 01:18.20 | dvs | epssy: just a little... |
| 01:18.25 | epssy | :P |
| 01:18.35 | nvz | I dont see any topical discussion going on |
| 01:18.48 | nvz | other than aboutmy keyboard |
| 01:19.10 | dvs | nvz: Can you keyboard spell Debian? There. It's back on topic |
| 01:19.22 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:20.19 | nvz | I am on XPSP2 right now and dont have a debian question or concern on my mind so its someone elses turn to introduce that topic |
| 01:20.39 | pinky_ | eeewwww XP |
| 01:20.48 | pinky_ | Why not 2000? |
| 01:20.50 | nvz | tell me about it |
| 01:21.15 | pinky_ | Choose your poison, but 2000 is far less offensive IMVH(hah)O |
| 01:21.23 | nvz | what part of grandma's emachine didnt you understand :P |
| 01:21.27 | dvs | ops nvz is using XP |
| 01:21.45 | nvz | I have sarge on both my pcs, but no internet right now |
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| 01:24.45 | nvz | grandma's is a little bit too far for me to pickup her wifi signal.. approx 1.2mi straight shot across the river |
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| 01:26.49 | kazuki | Which is better Gentoo/Ubuntu/Debian for Basicly for doing everything you can do on a computer ... music .. dvd playing ... games .... programming . ...etc |
| 01:26.57 | ricky_clarkson | kazuki: Windows. |
| 01:26.59 | gravity | kazuki: Ask in ##linux |
| 01:27.05 | dvs | kazuki: and you want an unbiased answer here? |
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| 01:27.13 | kazuki | lmao |
| 01:27.28 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: blashphemy |
| 01:27.41 | nvz | damn it :P |
| 01:27.52 | dvs | !exorcise ricky_clarkson |
| 01:28.01 | dvs | damn. doesn't work |
| 01:28.08 | nvz | I cant blame spelling errors on this keyboard even if it is an emachine |
| 01:28.43 | pinky_ | No swearing |
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| 01:29.05 | pinky_ | Show some restraint nvz... potty mouth |
| 01:29.20 | pinky_ | YOu keep saying "that word"... |
| 01:29.24 | dvs | pinky_: What? He said the "e" word? |
| 01:29.32 | pinky_ | Yeah |
| 01:29.56 | pinky_ | There might be children here! |
| 01:30.04 | nvz | heh, I didnt know that was a swear word.. then the "d" word must be bad too eh? |
| 01:30.12 | nvz | since as I understand they make these things |
| 01:30.17 | dvs | nvz: go to dell! |
| 01:30.26 | sparr | you know how most directories are listed as 4k in size? what does a larger 'file size' on a directory indicate? I have a 500k+ directory |
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| 01:32.17 | pinky_ | Gosh I just realized something... my mouse, keyboard, and monitor are made by Microsoft, Dell, and Sony respectively. |
| 01:32.35 | dvs | pinky_: Well, at least the monitor will last |
| 01:32.43 | pinky_ | ...I should be thankful to have products from such wonderful companies. |
| 01:32.56 | nvz | I like the Microsoft Mice, its the only microsoft thing on my two pcs |
| 01:33.00 | pinky_ | dvs: Yeah, this monitor was made back when Sony made excellent products. |
| 01:33.15 | pinky_ | And I suppose Microsoft makes decent hardware... |
| 01:33.17 | pinky_ | But still. |
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| 01:33.47 | nvz | and keyboards I dont really care.. I have some aspects I look for in a keyboard and it doesnt matter to me who makes it or puts their name on it.. cause usually who makes it and who puts their name on it are 3 different things |
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| 01:34.22 | nvz | I say 3 because more often than not one designs it, one builds it and another smears their logo feces on it and advertises it |
| 01:34.38 | pinky_ | nvz: I hear ya. I didn't even pay for the mouse or keyboard, so I don't feel too bad about having them. Whatever parts actually go INSIDE my case, though, must be quality. |
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| 01:34.42 | ki`es_tu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.01 | Maquiavelo | Anyone knows where can I purchase 40-50 copies of Debian? (Just need CD1) for a resonable price? |
| 01:35.12 | marc | Could anyone tell me if the debian precompiled 2.6 kernels are compiled with EFI enabled or disabled? |
| 01:35.18 | dvs | Maquiavelo: I like CheapBytes myself |
| 01:35.32 | pinky_ | And the monitor I bought refurbished... Sony CPD-G500. Great 21" CRT if you don't mind it weighing 80kg |
| 01:35.32 | Maquiavelo | dvs They sell the 14 CD package |
| 01:35.37 | Maquiavelo | I'm just interested in CD1 |
| 01:35.43 | ki`es_tu | It's going to take 43mins just to install KDE. |
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| 01:35.50 | smacnay | Hi, is there a "clean" way to upgrade iptables to 1.3.5 in Debian so that I no longer have the "ipt_policy: matchsize 116 != 308" glitch with the 2.6.16 kernel? I am in Debian testing and the version of iptables available is 1.3.3. |
| 01:35.51 | nvz | speaking of insides.. I need to get some hardware if I can arrange a budget for it |
| 01:36.01 | dvs | Maquiavelo: Sounds like a job for TheComputerGuy |
| 01:36.13 | Maquiavelo | For who? |
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| 01:36.24 | nvz | I've been using my one pc without one of them screws in my NIC and its been haging out of the PCI slot and I think its slightly damaged it |
| 01:36.33 | abrotman | ki`es_tu: that's just to download |
| 01:36.35 | abrotman | !Install kde |
| 01:36.36 | dpkg | install kde is probably In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 01:36.48 | dvs | Maquiavelo: http://www.chguy.net/CDsets.html#deb |
| 01:36.55 | ki`es_tu | Yea, I meant download. |
| 01:37.22 | Maquiavelo | dvs Thanks |
| 01:37.29 | dvs | Maquiavelo: you're welcome |
| 01:37.33 | nvz | I didnt realize it wasnt inserted fully until I tried to lease an IP and it kept refusing with no other logical explanation and I examined the hardware.. now its definatly plugged in all the way, but it times out reguarly so I think its suffered perm damage |
| 01:38.22 | pinky_ | nvz: I haven't used a PCI NIC in ages. I just get ASUS motherboards (checking the NIC maker first) and use onboard. |
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| 01:39.13 | nvz | it also worries me that I have a network with only two pcs connected to a hub (very basic with no internet) at home and often my collision light is on solid. seems to happen more often when using remote frame buffer programs like RFB, VNC, Synergy..etc |
| 01:40.27 | pinky_ | Hahaha hubs... layer 1 lolol |
| 01:40.32 | nvz | pinky_: yeah well I havent bought new hardware in ages.. about 6 years probably.. I've been taking hand-me-downs and buying pcs for like $10 or so off companies that go out of business or pulling hardware out of the trash when they arent smart enough to sell it |
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| 01:40.51 | dvs | nvz: Get a switch with really powerful antennaes so you can steal your grandma's signal |
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| 01:41.04 | Buchannon | what is 0x12? |
| 01:41.22 | pinky_ | nvz: I do that too, only I also have one really good machine I buy good parts for that are a step down from top of the line, but are good enough that I can afford it |
| 01:41.24 | abrotman | a hexidecimal number |
| 01:41.29 | dvs | 18 |
| 01:41.40 | nvz | my pcs right now are a Compaq Presario I think its like an AMD Athlon XP 1700+ type not sure what model because only half the case remained when I got it and it was spray painted gold.. and the other is an HP Vectra Pentium MMX 266mhz |
| 01:41.55 | abrotman | mmm ... vectra :) |
| 01:41.57 | Buchannon | I dont' get this joke... http://www.bash.org/?650276 |
| 01:42.14 | abrotman | Buchannon: you came to #debian to ask about a joke? |
| 01:42.24 | dvs | Buchannon: go to #ubuntu |
| 01:42.26 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:42.28 | nvz | yeah my vectra is a loyal work horse.. its my multimedia pc that sits in the entertainment stand in my living room. |
| 01:42.30 | mbishop | you should probably install windows if you don't get it |
| 01:42.51 | abrotman | Buchannon: if you don't get the joke .. you're not a nerd .. no big deal |
| 01:43.04 | Buchannon | I just want someone to explain to me plz |
| 01:43.09 | nvz | it doesnt even have a sound card.. but you wouldnt know it.. cause it just plays tunes via network on the compaq which I half-ass wired whole house speakers to |
| 01:43.12 | abrotman | !tell Buchannon about plz |
| 01:43.15 | gravity | Buchannon: Google octal math |
| 01:43.22 | gravity | Buchannon: And hexadecimal |
| 01:43.25 | ki`es_tu | Why does everybody say that? You have to be a nerd to use Linux. |
| 01:43.29 | Joint | abrotman: so can you help me getting my wireless card, working, |
| 01:43.31 | dvs | gravity: that hex! |
| 01:43.33 | gravity | That one is hex, but it pays to know both |
| 01:43.34 | dvs | that's |
| 01:43.39 | gravity | dvs: I know :-) |
| 01:43.40 | abrotman | Joint: again? didn't we do this three times today? |
| 01:43.47 | dvs | oops. I missed that. |
| 01:43.56 | Joint | i had an emergency, |
| 01:44.00 | gravity | dvs: No problem :-) |
| 01:44.05 | abrotman | Joint: ate mexican food? |
| 01:44.11 | Joint | no |
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| 01:45.33 | nvz | oh well I guess its about time for me to head home.its 9:45pm here.. sucks not having internet.. but then again I'd probably never leave my house if I did |
| 01:45.44 | Joint | so can you give me a hand abrotman |
| 01:45.54 | abrotman | i can try .. i already told you stuff to look at |
| 01:46.02 | Joint | can you repeat them, |
| 01:46.03 | abrotman | you can also try #wireless |
| 01:46.13 | abrotman | lsof .. fuser ? .. dmesg ? |
| 01:46.13 | Joint | i did try, |
| 01:46.13 | DaLeach | Eulex: I got it working hah..combination of new Modeline from another calculator...and I added a modes section with an identifier of 16:10 ...i also added ViewPort 0 0 ...not sure which exactly made it worked..but really not willing to risk messing with it :-O |
| 01:46.15 | Joint | and no one is there |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | in #wireless? bull |
| 01:46.36 | Joint | i mean no anwer, |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | AND .. there's a #prism54 |
| 01:47.11 | abrotman | !prism54 is also check #prism54 on freenode |
| 01:47.13 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 01:47.44 | ki`es_tu | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 01:47.49 | ki`es_tu | Wireless Howto |
| 01:47.54 | Joint | interesting |
| 01:48.22 | ki`es_tu | http://www.foldr.org/~michaelw/wireless.html |
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| 01:48.31 | abrotman | google is hard |
| 01:48.42 | dvs | !be a google barbis |
| 01:48.43 | dvs | !be a google barbie |
| 01:48.44 | dpkg | Aww, google is HARD! Let's go shopping, dvs |
| 01:48.52 | gravity | I LOVE SHOPPING! |
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| 01:48.58 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:49.08 | Joint | damn |
| 01:49.10 | abrotman | HOLY CRAP! LIONS! |
| 01:49.14 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 01:49.15 | Joint | no answer on prism54 |
| 01:49.32 | abrotman | Joint: be patient ..or read the URLs in the topic |
| 01:49.49 | abrotman | or ifconfig -a .. see if it's already there |
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| 01:50.52 | ki`es_tu | I tried to get mine running, but I have a BroadCom, that isn't supported. |
| 01:51.02 | abrotman | it is i believe |
| 01:51.03 | ki`es_tu | and I'm a SiS900 Chipset. |
| 01:51.18 | abrotman | http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 01:51.23 | exonic | Hey folks. I'm experiencing system hangs. I am rather confident it's a heat problem. But i'm not sure what the cause is. I know this isn't the place to ask this sorta thing but anyone got any pointers on figuring out? lm sensors are lame and never work |
| 01:51.51 | gravity | I can finally dump ndiswrapper! |
| 01:51.52 | deejoe | open the case and look for fuzz crammed into your heatsinks? |
| 01:51.59 | dvs | gravity: why? |
| 01:52.01 | dvs | oh |
| 01:52.09 | exonic | deejoe, it's very odd.. I recently replaced the motherboard.. |
| 01:52.26 | ki`es_tu | abrotman: Thanks. :) |
| 01:52.28 | Rebecca | existx: if you think it's a heat problem then take steps to reduce the temp of your components.. it's not rocket science |
| 01:52.34 | exonic | deejoe, and still am experiencing hangs on occasoin. Affraid the hangs will get happen more frequently just like last time.. |
| 01:53.06 | exonic | Rebecca, agree'd, but the mobo is what went bad. Not any of the components. heh |
| 01:53.18 | deejoe | some MB's are more picky about RAM than others. |
| 01:53.29 | kreg_work | any prefer a certain pdf viewer? |
| 01:53.31 | deejoe | or so I'm given to understand. |
| 01:53.37 | fantomas | Hi. I need to create the following connection schema: host_A (LAN) --> debian_router --> socks5_server --> host B (INTERNET). An applcation on host_A needs some service at port BBB on host_B but it lacks socks5 protocol support. I want to open BBB port on debian_router and tunnel connection to host_B via socks5_proxy. What software do I need for this? |
| 01:53.51 | deejoe | kreg_work: depending on the system I'm on, I alternate between xpdf and evince |
| 01:53.52 | Rebecca | exonic: your motherboard IS a component |
| 01:53.53 | gravity | kreg_work: I like evince. xpdf is very good too, if a little ugly |
| 01:54.06 | Joint | no one here has a prism54 card that's using under debian? |
| 01:54.11 | kreg_work | would it matter wich one regarding printing? |
| 01:54.19 | gravity | kreg_work: Not really... |
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| 01:54.34 | Joint | abrotman: the other thing is my videocard looks crappy when i want to start, gdm or startx, |
| 01:54.48 | Joint | and i wonder why in ubuntu nothing happend was running smooth but i love debian, |
| 01:55.05 | kreg_work | gravity, deejoe thanks |
| 01:55.06 | gravity | Joint: What do you mean "crappy"? |
| 01:55.08 | abrotman | what video card? |
| 01:55.18 | Joint | tell you right now |
| 01:55.33 | Joint | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/XP (rev |
| 01:55.33 | Joint | 63) |
| 01:55.41 | dvs | that' crappy |
| 01:55.50 | optraz | hi , how do i "open" a chat window with a user? |
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| 01:56.02 | optraz | im using irssi |
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| 01:56.17 | gravity | optraz: /msg username |
| 01:56.21 | abrotman | optraz: /join #irssi |
| 01:56.30 | Gnurdux | my 3d-acceleration is broken now that i upgraded X |
| 01:56.33 | abrotman | or /help |
| 01:56.51 | Gnurdux | and i don't have glxgears |
| 01:56.51 | gravity | Gnurdux: What video card? And are you using proprietary drivers or the ones that come with Xorg? |
| 01:56.57 | Joint | any ideas abrotman |
| 01:56.57 | gravity | Gnurdux: glxgears is in mesa-utils |
| 01:57.05 | Gnurdux | gravity, an integrated car |
| 01:57.06 | Gnurdux | d |
| 01:57.13 | gravity | Ah.... |
| 01:57.17 | abrotman | Joint: eh .. i've never even seen a prism54 card |
| 01:57.20 | optraz | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:57.23 | gravity | Gnurdux: Ok, an intel of some sort? You need mesa from experimental |
| 01:57.26 | ki`es_tu | Debian is so much better than RedHat |
| 01:57.26 | Joint | abrotman: nope about my videocrad, |
| 01:57.27 | Joint | *card |
| 01:57.31 | optraz | gravity: thankas |
| 01:57.34 | Gnurdux | gravity, yes an intel |
| 01:57.37 | Joint | why it look so crappy when i run X or gdm |
| 01:57.40 | abrotman | Joint: it's a trident .. what do you want? |
| 01:57.41 | Gnurdux | i830 i think |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | Joint: DEFINE crappy |
| 01:57.54 | Gnurdux | gravity, why do i need mesa from experiemental? |
| 01:57.55 | gravity | Gnurdux: Yeah, you need mesa from experimental to get 3d accel again |
| 01:57.57 | Gnurdux | what happened? |
| 01:58.04 | gravity | Gnurdux: DRI incompatibilities |
| 01:58.11 | abrotman | i think i need mesa from exp too |
| 01:58.21 | Gnurdux | what do you mean gravity ? |
| 01:58.22 | Joint | for example it looks really small, |
| 01:58.24 | gravity | Gnurdux: The intel driver was updated to the new stable release, but the new stable release demanded non-stable mesa release |
| 01:58.31 | Gnurdux | 6.9 and 7.0 were supposed to be the same one |
| 01:58.32 | Joint | and the graphics are kind of oldish style, |
| 01:58.33 | Gnurdux | crap |
| 01:58.44 | Joint | but in ubuntu doesn't view like that |
| 01:58.45 | Gnurdux | gravity, and its not even in UNSTABLE yet/ |
| 01:58.51 | gravity | Gnurdux: Sorry |
| 01:59.08 | Gnurdux | gravity, what do you have to be sorry about? |
| 01:59.23 | gravity | Gnurdux: I'm the one who updated i810 in unstable |
| 01:59.24 | abrotman | gravity: will 2.6.17 be in etch? |
| 01:59.29 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 01:59.30 | gravity | abrotman: I don't know |
| 01:59.34 | abrotman | i really hope so |
| 01:59.38 | gravity | Me too |
| 01:59.39 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 01:59.43 | abrotman | seems like a lot of things got added since 1.6.16 |
| 01:59.45 | Gnurdux | gravity, can you update mesa too :P |
| 01:59.46 | dvs | What's so good about 2.6.17? |
| 01:59.49 | gravity | Gnurdux: Nope |
| 01:59.51 | abrotman | yes .. obviously since 1.6.16 :) |
| 01:59.56 | gravity | Gnurdux: The package is there. You just have to pull it |
| 01:59.57 | Gnurdux | gravity, why not? |
| 02:00.02 | gravity | Gnurdux: I'm not the mesa maintainer |
| 02:00.03 | abrotman | dvs: many drivers have been added |
| 02:00.05 | Gnurdux | and will it work in testing? |
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| 02:00.10 | gravity | Gnurdux: I don't know |
| 02:00.19 | dvs | abrotman: Ok. I don't have to worry about that. |
| 02:00.34 | Gnurdux | hold it... so tightvncserver can't be put in testing, because it doesn |
| 02:00.55 | Gnurdux | 't build on one arch, but they CAN put in something that breaks mesa |
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| 02:01.23 | Gnurdux | gravity, can you give me a link to what i need? |
| 02:01.30 | smacnay | If I want to upgrade my iptables to 1.3.5 (not in Debian yet) by compiling the source and install the updated Debian version when it comes out, would I be smarter to just compile the source and install over top of the installed Deb version (1.3.3)? |
| 02:01.31 | abrotman | dvs: you'd hope general stability too .. after morten's rant |
| 02:01.34 | gravity | Gnurdux: search wiki.debian.org for experimental |
| 02:01.37 | gravity | Gnurdux: And yes |
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| 02:02.01 | dvs | abrotman: I didn't think 2.6.17 was that stability release Andrew was ranting about |
| 02:02.04 | gravity | Gnurdux: I'm sorry I broke your gaming, but getting upset about it isn't going to make me happy |
| 02:02.26 | abrotman | dvs: i thought it was .. oh well |
| 02:02.47 | dvs | abrotman: But I'd definitely go for that release of the kernel |
| 02:03.03 | abrotman | not that 2.6.16 is bad .. just that .17 seeems to have added a good amount of things |
| 02:03.17 | Gnurdux | great, now my mouse doesnt work |
| 02:03.23 | abrotman | gravity: heh .. .17 wsa released today |
| 02:03.26 | dvs | abrotman: and that much instability |
| 02:03.55 | abrotman | dvs: we'll see .. i may have to use it on the mac i got |
| 02:03.57 | dvs | actually, 24 hours ago |
| 02:03.57 | Gnurdux | whew at least my mouse works now |
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| 02:04.37 | Zombie | Do any of you know where I can get help debbugging Linux Source Ports of Dos games, like D2X |
| 02:04.51 | Gnurdux | gravity, so how do i get mesa from exp? |
| 02:05.04 | abrotman | dvs: scanning the commit log .. seems like lots of little fixes |
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| 02:05.17 | gravity | Gnurdux: You need to add experimental to your sources.list and then have apt pull it down. aptitude can make the latter part easy |
| 02:05.29 | dvs | abrotman: but will the fix level go up to 20 again? ;-) |
| 02:05.29 | Gnurdux | agh |
| 02:05.42 | abrotman | dvs: 12! |
| 02:05.48 | Gnurdux | so what package should i get, and why use aptitude rather than APT? |
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| 02:06.37 | Gnurdux | gravity ? |
| 02:07.16 | gravity | Gnurdux: You want to find the mesa packages that are installed on your system. aptitude in interactive mode lets you hit enter on each package, scroll to the bottom of the info page, and select the version you're interested in |
| 02:07.24 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 02:08.14 | Gnurdux | gravity, what section is mesa under? |
| 02:08.19 | gravity | Gnurdux: I think livs |
| 02:08.20 | gravity | libs |
| 02:08.28 | gravity | Gnurdux: I recommend learning to use the search function |
| 02:08.32 | gravity | It's several packages, btw |
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| 02:09.33 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 02:09.42 | Gnurdux | i've never used aptitude |
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| 02:09.53 | Gnurdux | would synaptic be good? |
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| 02:10.15 | abrotman | dvs: skim the change log |
| 02:10.21 | dvs | ok |
| 02:10.39 | dvs | but I don't like using the .0 version of anything |
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| 02:12.14 | abrotman | dvs: do eet! |
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| 02:12.24 | dvs | ah! |
| 02:12.33 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 02:12.34 | dvs | don't make me! |
| 02:12.52 | Gnurdux | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main gravity thats an OK line right? |
| 02:12.59 | gravity | Gnurdux: I think so |
| 02:13.05 | Gnurdux | cause its not showing up |
| 02:13.11 | Gnurdux | update says its getting it |
| 02:13.16 | abrotman | dvs: i miss kernel traffic :) |
| 02:13.24 | Gnurdux | but in synaptic, it says i have the latest version of all the mesa stuff |
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| 02:13.48 | killown | as I do to login automatic root in terminal through one script? |
| 02:13.55 | gravity | Gnurdux: Yes. That's because apt is set to not use experimental by default. This is where the "telling apt to download the version you want" comes in. Like I told you. |
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| 02:14.21 | Strayhikari | Help! Sorry linux noob tryign to setup wireless on debian and having trouble with a certain step |
| 02:14.29 | gravity | Gnurdux: I have no idea how to do this in synaptic btw, so you're on your own there |
| 02:15.18 | Strayhikari | Anyone willing to try to field a question? |
| 02:15.25 | abrotman | just ask |
| 02:15.33 | gravity | Strayhikari: Just ask it. If anyone knows, they'll try to help. |
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| 02:16.31 | Gnurdux | synaptic is probably too lame to do it |
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| 02:16.55 | Strayhikari | Ok, installing an atheros chipset pcmcia card, I've gone through the documentation and everythign is going smoothly, accept when I get to the step of having module assist prepare the kernel headers, it asks for a cd with the binary on it rather than going out to the internet, I tried using apt-get to get the headers and that asks for the cd as well, I do not have a cdrom on the machine so I need to force it to go to the internet |
| 02:16.58 | Strayhikari | any ideas? |
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| 02:17.05 | dvs | abrotman: you're right. There are a lot of little things. |
| 02:17.17 | abrotman | see! |
| 02:17.29 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 02:17.41 | abrotman | though .. since i was looking for the airport extreme driver .. (also gravity's driver i believe) .. i noticed a TON of broadcom fixes |
| 02:17.42 | Gnurdux | abrotman, it has something called force version, but then it says it will remove other stuff |
| 02:17.47 | dvs | !beer abrotman |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | Gnurdux: huh? |
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| 02:18.02 | tonsofpcs | hmm, is there a way with screen to change which 'window' my keyboard focus goes to without changing which one shows on my screen? |
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| 02:18.13 | abrotman | Strayhikari: uname -a says what ? |
| 02:18.13 | Gnurdux | you can do: package -> force version, but for one of them, it syas it will remove some deps or somethin |
| 02:18.14 | Gnurdux | g |
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| 02:18.29 | Strayhikari | one sec abrotman |
| 02:18.40 | Gnurdux | just curious: if i force the version, when testing catches up, it will go back to testing? |
| 02:18.46 | deejoe | tonsofpcs: I'm guessing you don't mean GNU screen, since that has nothing to do with your mouse/pointer. |
| 02:18.52 | tonsofpcs | deejoe: yes |
| 02:19.15 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: sloppy focus |
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| 02:19.33 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: how would I do that? |
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| 02:19.43 | abrotman | depends on your window manager? |
| 02:19.46 | abrotman | erm .. no ? |
| 02:19.46 | Gnurdux | abrotman, any easy was to do it with apt? |
| 02:19.47 | Woosta | I upgraded various things last night and now X won't start with the nvidia driver .. I've had to drop back to nv .. I've updated the nvidia driver too, but I still get the same error .. I'm guessing that (based on the nvidia URL) it only works with XFree86 and I selected an option during install to use xorg .. sound right? If so, where can I switch it back? |
| 02:19.57 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i have no idea what you're trying to do .. |
| 02:20.02 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: gnu screen ....... |
| 02:20.16 | Strayhikari | abrotman: Linux Darkstar 2.6.15-1-486 #2 |
| 02:20.16 | gravity | abrotman: He needs mesa from experimental to get DRI working |
| 02:20.22 | Gnurdux | abrotman, trying to get mesa from experimental because its broken for intel cards |
| 02:20.22 | gravity | abrotman: He's trying to use synaptic to do it |
| 02:20.25 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: wtf does gnu screen have to do with your mouse ? |
| 02:20.33 | Gnurdux | not synaptic anymore |
| 02:20.34 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: who said anything about a mouse? |
| 02:20.39 | Gnurdux | id rather do with pure apt |
| 02:20.42 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: you said focus |
| 02:20.51 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i'd personally use wget :) |
| 02:20.54 | tonsofpcs | I want to change which 'window' my keyboard focus goes to without changing which one shows on my monitor |
| 02:20.58 | Gnurdux | ive got a list of all my installed mesa packages, from dpkg -l | grep mesa |
| 02:21.10 | abrotman | Gnurdux: but i believe it's been proven that i'm totally off my rocker |
| 02:21.16 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 02:21.23 | dvs | yup |
| 02:21.43 | tonsofpcs | basically, I have 4 machines on my desk, all sshed into one machine with screen -x showing a few different 'windows' and I want to use the keyboard from one and just change where the focus goes without a KVM |
| 02:21.45 | deejoe | tonsofpcs: if there is a way, i don't know it. But at least I think I understand your question now :-) |
| 02:21.47 | abrotman | Gnurdux: you'd have to use pinning .. man apt_preferences .. |
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| 02:22.05 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: ok .. four monitors? |
| 02:22.07 | Gnurdux | wonderful |
| 02:22.13 | abrotman | wonderful what?! |
| 02:22.15 | aboyousif | hi all .. |
| 02:22.16 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: yup |
| 02:22.23 | abrotman | !tell tonsofpcs about synergy |
| 02:22.23 | Gnurdux | abrotman, do you know synaptic? |
| 02:22.27 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:22.32 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: synergy works with consoles? |
| 02:22.38 | aboyousif | abrotman, :D |
| 02:22.40 | Gnurdux | anyone here knows how to use synaptic? |
| 02:22.41 | abrotman | but i bet it has an interface for pinning |
| 02:22.43 | abrotman | aboyousif: eh? |
| 02:22.56 | aboyousif | abrotman, you really don't know synaptic ? |
| 02:22.57 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: oh .. NFC .. |
| 02:22.58 | sneex | synaptic package manager? |
| 02:23.01 | aboyousif | Gnurdux, yes |
| 02:23.08 | tonsofpcs | NFC? |
| 02:23.12 | abrotman | aboyousif: no .. i've opened it and gone "EWWW .. GUI" and closed it |
| 02:23.22 | abrotman | !tell tonsofpcs about nfc |
| 02:23.32 | aboyousif | abrotman, that is why i made :D |
| 02:23.34 | tonsofpcs | ah :) |
| 02:23.41 | Gnurdux | aboyousif, you know how to get some packages from experimental with it? |
| 02:23.51 | Gnurdux | i have experimental in my sources.list |
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| 02:24.30 | aboyousif | Gnurdux, i first add sources to sources list then run update and search from synaptic ( btw i don't use synaptic all the time ) |
| 02:24.41 | sneex | there is a button in the interface that says "reload" the package groups and listing |
| 02:24.45 | abrotman | Gnurdux: you need to learn about pinning before you fuck your entire box |
| 02:24.46 | Gnurdux | aboyousif, i've done all that |
| 02:25.00 | aboyousif | Gnurdux, so .. what is the problem ? |
| 02:25.06 | Gnurdux | abrotman, i can fuck up my whole box? |
| 02:25.17 | sneex | yeppers |
| 02:25.19 | abrotman | it's called experimental for a reason |
| 02:25.26 | aboyousif | Gnurdux, is this a question ? |
| 02:25.44 | Gnurdux | aboyousif, the intel driver got upgraded so that mesa doesn't work with 3d accel for intel vidcards |
| 02:25.49 | Gnurdux | so now i can't play games |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | Gnurdux: it can be way way more broken than unstable |
| 02:26.16 | sneex | °° |
| 02:26.16 | aboyousif | Gnurdux, i use etch too without driver support .. :D |
| 02:26.33 | Gnurdux | :( |
| 02:26.48 | aboyousif | Gnurdux, sorry man i don't know how to run it on etch |
| 02:26.56 | Gnurdux | abrotman, if it got fucked, any way i could downgrade? |
| 02:26.58 | abrotman | though one would hope XSF might get this fixed before etch releases :) |
| 02:27.07 | gravity | It's in the works |
| 02:27.08 | abrotman | Gnurdux: just learn about pinning .. |
| 02:27.14 | abrotman | gravity: i was joking |
| 02:27.16 | Gnurdux | abrotman, how? |
| 02:27.17 | gravity | It was supposed to be fixed a while ago, but wasn't for several reasons |
| 02:27.21 | gravity | It'll be fixed with 7.1 though |
| 02:27.23 | Gnurdux | gravity, such as? |
| 02:27.26 | abrotman | Gnurdux: man apt_preferenes |
| 02:27.32 | abrotman | Gnurdux: man apt_preferences |
| 02:27.36 | gravity | Gnurdux: Old version of the driver hanging around the archive still |
| 02:27.39 | aboyousif | gravity, grrrrr |
| 02:27.54 | gravity | Geez. Big babies. |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | gravity: screw your real life two week vacation .. 7.1 now! |
| 02:27.57 | Gnurdux | gravity, they better not wait 10 days for the fix.... |
| 02:28.06 | gravity | Gnurdux: They will. As will you. |
| 02:28.09 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:28.11 | gravity | Gnurdux: Deal with it |
| 02:28.12 | Gnurdux | agh noo |
| 02:28.20 | gravity | What did I do when my DRI didn't work? |
| 02:28.22 | abrotman | you could reinstall your whole box as stable |
| 02:28.23 | gravity | I FUCKING ADOPTED XORG |
| 02:28.27 | gravity | Fucking whiners |
| 02:28.29 | Gnurdux | what has higher priorities than broken stuff? |
| 02:28.35 | abrotman | oh .. i think he's challenging you kids |
| 02:28.38 | Stevie | you adopted xorg? |
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| 02:28.42 | abrotman | Gnurdux: how about real life? |
| 02:28.43 | gravity | Stevie: Pretty much |
| 02:28.53 | Gnurdux | abrotman, no i mean in the package thing |
| 02:28.54 | gravity | Gnurdux: More fundamentally broken stuff |
| 02:28.56 | Stevie | do you get a tax writeoff or a govt check? |
| 02:29.00 | aboyousif | gravity, try the next .. remove the expermintal sources and remove the driver then install it again from stable |
| 02:29.00 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 02:29.02 | abrotman | Gnurdux: does your X work ? |
| 02:29.04 | gravity | Stevie: I wish! |
| 02:29.06 | Gnurdux | for the 10 day wait vs 5 day wait |
| 02:29.10 | dvs | demand support payments! |
| 02:29.13 | Stevie | lol |
| 02:29.19 | abrotman | affero.net or whatever it is |
| 02:29.20 | Gnurdux | abrotman, yea, but GL stuff gets phenomenally low framerate |
| 02:29.20 | Gnurdux | s |
| 02:29.21 | gravity | Gnurdux: It's going to be several weeks until it's ready |
| 02:29.25 | Gnurdux | great... |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | Gnurdux: but X works ... ? |
| 02:29.44 | Gnurdux | yea, im in an xchat right now, and 2d stuff works fine |
| 02:29.47 | abrotman | Gnurdux: so your big complaint is you can't play video games? |
| 02:29.47 | Stevie | put up a webpage asking for paypal donations :D |
| 02:29.58 | gravity | Stevie: I've thought about it :-) |
| 02:30.03 | Gnurdux | abrotman, yes |
| 02:30.16 | abrotman | Gnurdux: you get a big STFU .. and a cup of coffee :) |
| 02:30.18 | Gnurdux | i think thats a fairly serious issue |
| 02:30.21 | gravity | Gnurdux: I'm sorry if this is causing you problems, but seriously... this is pretty low priority |
| 02:30.26 | Stevie | abrotman: he gets my shirt? |
| 02:30.37 | gravity | Gnurdux: I don't think you realize the massive problems that were in Xorg previously |
| 02:30.38 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i have the same issue .. i don't care .. not a big issue |
| 02:30.51 | gravity | Gnurdux: Like breaking all of X on upgrade. Or not being able to see fonts. |
| 02:30.55 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 02:30.57 | gravity | Gnurdux: You know. Little things. |
| 02:31.08 | gravity | Gnurdux: Things that *might* be more important than bzflag |
| 02:31.23 | Gnurdux | not just bzflag, NOTHING 3d works |
| 02:31.29 | abrotman | !xsf motto |
| 02:31.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, xsf motto is http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 02:31.36 | gravity | Anyway, I'm over it |
| 02:31.42 | Stevie | haha |
| 02:31.49 | gravity | I've told you the solution. The package is sitting in Debian, waiting for you to install it and fix your problem |
| 02:31.50 | aboyousif | Gnurdux, my first linux was with no mouse support it was a white square 32*32 that move on the screen ... loool |
| 02:31.55 | abrotman | Gnurdux: gravity told you how to fix it |
| 02:32.02 | Gnurdux | yea |
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| 02:32.30 | Stevie | abrotman: A former coworker had a little sign hung up on his cubicle with a picture of a chick and the message 'I *could* work harder, but why risk chipping a nail?' |
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| 02:32.59 | abrotman | Stevie: my co-worker has hte XSF motto in his cube :) |
| 02:33.06 | dvs | yeah! |
| 02:33.11 | dvs | I wish I could |
| 02:33.17 | aboyousif | !XSF |
| 02:33.17 | dpkg | hmm... xsf is the X Strike Force, home of Debian's XFree86 packages, at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ or http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml |
| 02:33.28 | Stevie | X Strike Force? |
| 02:33.35 | tonsofpcs | !deb motto |
| 02:33.35 | abrotman | yep |
| 02:33.39 | tonsofpcs | aww ;) |
| 02:33.42 | Stevie | how did that name come about? |
| 02:33.42 | gravity | Represent yo |
| 02:33.50 | gravity | Stevie: Ask Branden |
| 02:33.52 | gravity | I think |
| 02:33.56 | abrotman | Stevie: bored geeks do funny things? |
| 02:34.03 | Stevie | works for me |
| 02:34.11 | dvs | bored? In XSF? |
| 02:34.45 | aboyousif | guys .. is debian related to what happen in iraq ??? |
| 02:34.52 | tonsofpcs | i'll trade ya one AA for two AAAs ;) |
| 02:35.02 | abrotman | DD ? |
| 02:35.02 | dvs | full house? |
| 02:35.07 | Stevie | aboyousif: Debian is responsible for the downfall of Saddam Hussein |
| 02:35.17 | gravity | abrotman: Er... what? |
| 02:35.21 | Stevie | anyone who says differently is an evil liar |
| 02:35.23 | gravity | aboyousif: ^ |
| 02:35.26 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:35.34 | Stevie | ;) |
| 02:35.39 | SixtyWatt | How can I make Azureus visible on my desktop? It seems to want to run in the background only. |
| 02:35.41 | aboyousif | Stevie, loool .. |
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| 02:36.04 | gravity | I don't know if I even want to know |
| 02:36.33 | aboyousif | Stevie, no more hate speeches plz :) |
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| 02:37.58 | Stevie | Hate speeches? |
| 02:38.20 | aboyousif | folks .. any one know a good laptop that works with debian with a good price ? |
| 02:38.27 | aboyousif | Stevie, kidding |
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| 02:38.38 | Stevie | ah |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 02:38.41 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 02:38.53 | Gnurdux | wait.. one thing, is there anywhere i can get an older copy of the driver that works with the current mesa? |
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| 02:39.12 | gravity | Gnurdux: There is archive.debian.net. It may have the previous driver. |
| 02:39.27 | gravity | Gnurdux: A final option is to pull the driver in the XSF svn repo and build it yourself |
| 02:39.32 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 02:39.34 | gravity | Or use the X.org supplied tarball |
| 02:39.36 | Gnurdux | thats not a bad idea |
| 02:39.50 | gravity | Those are all valid approaches |
| 02:40.16 | aboyousif | abrotman, http://www.linux-laptop.net/ is not working with me |
| 02:40.23 | Gnurdux | gravity, was the previous driver ever set up with the current package system? |
| 02:40.28 | gravity | Gnurdux: Yes |
| 02:40.30 | abrotman | aboyousif: would you like to wager it will work for me? |
| 02:40.42 | aboyousif | !wager |
| 02:40.47 | Gnurdux | xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 02:40.49 | aboyousif | what is wager ? |
| 02:40.53 | Gnurdux | thats the package name correct? |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | a bet |
| 02:41.09 | gravity | Yes |
| 02:41.20 | yassine | hi |
| 02:41.33 | aboyousif | abrotman, i mean it may be blocked .. i'm in a third workd ya man .. so if you know another one plz tell me it |
| 02:41.38 | aboyousif | hi yassine .. how are you ? |
| 02:41.45 | Gnurdux | gravity, xorg doesn't seem to be in the archive at all |
| 02:41.51 | SixtyWatt | I am using a laptop now that works with debian |
| 02:41.55 | abrotman | aboyousif: use a proxy |
| 02:41.57 | yassine | aboyousif, iam fine thanks and you ? |
| 02:42.10 | aboyousif | yassine, i'm fine .. thanks alot |
| 02:42.17 | aboyousif | abrotman, ok .. |
| 02:42.56 | Gnurdux | the archive seems to be really old stables gravity |
| 02:42.57 | gravity | woohoo! First draft of my essay done |
| 02:43.01 | Gnurdux | well archive.debian.org is |
| 02:43.06 | Gnurdux | archive.debian.net doesnt exist |
| 02:43.18 | gravity | hrm |
| 02:43.20 | abrotman | gravity: "How Debian can take over the world in 31 days" ? |
| 02:43.22 | gravity | Did I get the URL wrong? |
| 02:43.25 | Gnurdux | possible |
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| 02:43.30 | Gnurdux | or it became invalid |
| 02:43.31 | abrotman | !snd |
| 02:43.31 | dpkg | from memory, snd is 'the Emacs of sound,' a sound editor with a Lisp-like language at its core. |
| 02:43.34 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 02:43.34 | gravity | Gnurdux: Ah, snapshot.debian.net |
| 02:43.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 02:43.38 | Gnurdux | thnx |
| 02:43.52 | complexity | whats the name of vnc-server, so i can install it, i can find the client |
| 02:43.53 | gravity | abrotman: No, it's on the patent system as it relates to biology |
| 02:43.56 | complexity | but not the actual server |
| 02:43.57 | gravity | Anyway, I'm off for a little while |
| 02:44.02 | abrotman | gravity: i think god wins :) |
| 02:44.23 | Stevie | abrotman: Would it really take a full 31 days? |
| 02:44.27 | Gnurdux | gravity, just curious but why can't they downgrade the package in the official testing? |
| 02:44.37 | abrotman | Stevie: depends how many mirrors they have i guess |
| 02:44.40 | Stevie | ah, ok |
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| 02:45.09 | Gnurdux | also gravity what version do i want? |
| 02:45.12 | dvs | bob2 quit? |
| 02:45.19 | complexity | it was just vncserver, if anyone cares |
| 02:45.24 | complexity | i was trying to put a dash :/ |
| 02:45.27 | yassine | is it enough to remov the init script of a service from the rcx.d to stop that service from beein autostarted ? |
| 02:45.35 | complexity | its weird having debian on ur xbox |
| 02:45.36 | complexity | u know? |
| 02:45.39 | abrotman | dvs: he's been somewhat MIA .. rumor is he was spotted on freenode under another name |
| 02:45.43 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:45.43 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:45.59 | Stevie | !ur |
| 02:45.59 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 02:46.02 | abrotman | !tell complexity about search |
| 02:46.41 | tonsofpcs | !xbox |
| 02:46.42 | dpkg | well, xbox is should be renamed to the wintendo, or http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-06-30&res=l |
| 02:46.47 | tonsofpcs | hehe |
| 02:46.48 | tonsofpcs | nice |
| 02:46.50 | Stevie | the wintendo haha |
| 02:47.12 | Stevie | lmfao |
| 02:47.20 | Stevie | that penny arcade link is awesome |
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| 02:47.44 | complexity | debian=gold, but i'm just starting to use it |
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| 02:49.56 | Gnurdux | gravity, so what do i do with the stuff from the archive? what version do i get? |
| 02:52.35 | abrotman | Gnurdux: he's afk |
| 02:52.42 | Gnurdux | ah |
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| 02:52.49 | Gnurdux | abrotman, you have any ideas? |
| 02:53.11 | erudified | Hey, anyone know why my custom kernel throws a kernel panic when it tries to mount my root fs? I think it's something to do with initrd |
| 02:53.16 | abrotman | Gnurdux: nope |
| 02:53.27 | erudified | And before you ask, yes, I need a custom kernel for cpu frequency scaling to work with my laptop =( |
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| 02:53.30 | Stevie | erudified: You'd have to find the exact error message |
| 02:53.30 | Gnurdux | crap the current one is the EARLIEST one in the archive |
| 02:53.33 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i'd guess you want X6.9 packages .. but i'm not sure of the package names |
| 02:53.35 | dvs | erudified: your initrd is either missing the filesystem or ide drivers |
| 02:53.58 | erudified | Does anyone have a 2.6.16 .config that I could use? |
| 02:54.00 | Gnurdux | gravity said there was a functioning one with the current package naming system |
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| 02:55.00 | aboyousif | erudified, does it related to mount root ? |
| 02:55.11 | erudified | huh? yeah it fails to mount root |
| 02:55.27 | aboyousif | erudified, your kernel is 2.16.5 ?? |
| 02:55.32 | erudified | kernel panic unable to mount vfs on /dev/hda3 (it's a reiserfs partition, and I have reiserfs support compiled as a module) |
| 02:55.44 | erudified | so don't |
| 02:55.52 | hardbop200 | hey all, I'm trying to write a resume (due tonight!) and I need a simple app to write it in. I would prefer plain text, but I need to center a few things. Is there a plain-txt app that will do centering? |
| 02:56.12 | dvs | erudified: that's the entire problem. compile reiser into the kernel |
| 02:56.14 | Gnurdux | hardbop200, then it aint plaintext anymore |
| 02:56.22 | Gnurdux | maybe you want something RTF-based |
| 02:56.32 | erudified | dvs, thanks, I'll try that |
| 02:56.43 | hardbop200 | Gnurdux: true. :) I've seen some plain-txt docs that have centered lines, is RTF the way to go? |
| 02:56.49 | aboyousif | erudified, it is a bug |
| 02:57.05 | Arfim | Hi all. I'm running xen guest domain on debian and i wish to use window manager on it. xen doesn't have simulation for video device. i'm in the need of some sort "virtual" x server which will run constantly (in order not to close/restart window manager everytime i connect) allowing me to connect from another computer. does anybody know any such the virtual x server? |
| 02:57.14 | Gnurdux | dunno, it might be windowsy format hardbop200 whats wrong with abiword, kword, or openoffice writer? |
| 02:57.18 | erudified | aboyousif, ah; reiserfs won't work when loaded by an initrd? |
| 02:57.25 | Stevie | Gnurdux: Hey, I want a plaintext file with bold and underline and pictures. Know any editors that can do that? ;-) |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | no #xen ? |
| 02:57.33 | Gnurdux | hehe |
| 02:57.52 | aboyousif | erudified, yes i faced the same with my etch but i fixed it |
| 02:57.55 | Gnurdux | * Topic for #xen is: This channel is inactive. No official channel for Xen ( http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ ) exists on freenode. It's been forwarded to an informal channel, ##xen . |
| 02:58.01 | hardbop200 | Stevie: :) okay, you got me. abiword it is. I was looking for something light, and all of those apps are 40+ mb to download. |
| 02:58.22 | Arfim | abrotman: this is more general question. the idea is to use some virtual x server which will allow remote connections to it for display synch and kbd/mou events piping |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | ok .. fine |
| 02:58.47 | abrotman | i can't believe i'm still awake |
| 02:58.49 | Arfim | do you know something what will help there? |
| 03:00.23 | erudified | I'm pretty stupefied by how fast this laptop is.. pentium m 1.6ghz just slaughters my xp 2700+ =( |
| 03:00.32 | erudified | the 2mb of l2 cache does it I guess |
| 03:00.43 | abrotman | erudified: duh |
| 03:00.53 | abrotman | clock speed means dick |
| 03:01.00 | erudified | i was expecting a dog slow laptop for $4000 |
| 03:01.03 | erudified | err $400 lol |
| 03:01.13 | aboyousif | erudified, what is the model of it ? |
| 03:01.14 | Gnurdux | hehhe |
| 03:01.17 | erudified | dell 600m |
| 03:01.25 | abrotman | you paid $400 for a dell? |
| 03:01.32 | erudified | yeah, worth every penny too |
| 03:01.34 | Gnurdux | that would be a ripoff: pentium m 1.6ghz in a 4000$ laptop |
| 03:01.35 | dvs | ha! |
| 03:01.41 | abrotman | i wouldn't give $4 for a dell |
| 03:01.49 | aboyousif | erudified, a link ? |
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| 03:01.56 | erudified | you realize there are only a handful of companies that manufacture laptops right? |
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| 03:02.10 | erudified | they're all pretty much created equally |
| 03:02.16 | Gnurdux | erudified, he probably builds his |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | somehow dell gets all the crappy ones then |
| 03:02.23 | Gnurdux | also, dells are overcharged |
| 03:02.30 | Gnurdux | and have a bad reputation |
| 03:02.38 | dvs | just call tech support |
| 03:02.42 | abrotman | not undeservedly |
| 03:02.49 | abrotman | dvs: s/support// |
| 03:02.52 | Gnurdux | dell laptops especially |
| 03:02.58 | erudified | http://guilds.net/machines/600m/ |
| 03:03.04 | erudified | it has good linux support and it was cheap |
| 03:03.17 | aboyousif | folks .. what is the best company with good prices ? |
| 03:03.18 | Gnurdux | a laptop with good linux support?\ |
| 03:03.26 | erudified | yeah! |
| 03:03.31 | erudified | 1400x1050 display |
| 03:03.36 | erudified | and it brings teh snappy |
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| 03:04.02 | Gnurdux | Dell TrueMobileTM 1300 (802.11b/g) mini PCI wireless card |
| 03:04.12 | Gnurdux | erudified, does linux support that? |
| 03:04.14 | erudified | mine has an ipw2200 |
| 03:04.35 | Gnurdux | hehe maybe i should just buy a real video card... i want one anyway |
| 03:04.57 | Arfim | noone has any ideas? |
| 03:05.18 | erudified | I'm having a hard time getting CPU freq scaling and suspend working properly |
| 03:05.45 | erudified | cpu is at 50c right now hah |
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| 03:07.26 | Gnurdux | Arfim, have you tried ##xen |
| 03:08.12 | Arfim | gnurdux: this question has (principally) nothing to do with xen. it's the common situation with just any virtualization platform. just imagine yourself a standard debian compie without graphic card. |
| 03:08.26 | Gnurdux | Arfim, well there is a vmware X driver |
| 03:08.38 | Gnurdux | and there are generic drivers for vesa |
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| 03:09.08 | Arfim | gnurdux: just a plain motherboard+cpu+ram without any graphic card :-). vmware requires vmware gsx/esx server running on physical host |
| 03:09.15 | Arfim | i need just some virtual x server |
| 03:09.26 | Gnurdux | try running X with the vesa driver Arfim |
| 03:09.38 | Gnurdux | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 03:09.44 | Gnurdux | when it asks what driver, choose vesa |
| 03:09.45 | Arfim | gnurdux: thanks a lot. i'm going to google something on the topic :-) |
| 03:09.51 | erudified | Arfim, well I use vmware and it provides device drivers for video cards |
| 03:09.52 | Gnurdux | good idea |
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| 03:10.18 | erudified | Arfim so while principally it may not have anythign to do with vmware, most other virtualization providers aimed at desktop users do have facilities for that sort of thing |
| 03:10.19 | Arfim | another question: how could I connect to this virtual display from other host? |
| 03:10.51 | Arfim | erudified: which facilities do you know? |
| 03:11.03 | erudified | Arfim vmware for one example |
| 03:11.20 | erudified | Arfim I'm fairly sure that Parallels on the Mac provides a graphics device |
| 03:11.36 | erudified | I think even microsoft's offering does =( |
| 03:12.06 | Arfim | erudified: thanks a lot! i'm going to take a look at parallels. is there any software allowing to access this virtual x from another computer? |
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| 03:12.19 | Gnurdux | Arfim, ask in ##xcen |
| 03:12.22 | Gnurdux | Arfim, ask in ##xen |
| 03:12.27 | erudified | Arfim, if your virtualization software supports NAT you could treat it like a normal X server on the network |
| 03:12.45 | Gnurdux | even if its unrelated to Xen, people who have used xen have most likely experienced it |
| 03:12.50 | paolob | Hi guya! I want to run evolution from debian's reportbug: what shall I put in reportbug.conf in "mua=..." option? |
| 03:12.50 | erudified | Arfim, i.e. ssh alex@myvirtualhost DISPLAY=mydesktop:0 xterm |
| 03:12.56 | Gnurdux | and know solutions |
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| 03:13.24 | LinuxNIT | anyone know of a good flash editor? |
| 03:13.31 | erudified | or ssh alex@mydesktop DISPLAY=myvirtualhost:0 xterm |
| 03:13.32 | erudified | whatever |
| 03:13.35 | Arfim | erudified: everytime you should power off your remote computer or close/reopen ssh connection you will terminate graphic processes on your host. this schema is not good. i need some daemon thing |
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| 03:14.05 | erudified | Arfim, like screen for X applications? iirc there is something that implements that |
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| 03:14.19 | erudified | I'm pretty sure it won't be as seamless as what you want, though |
| 03:14.21 | Arfim | erudified: so that when i disconnect myself all graphic processes opened at the host will continue |
| 03:14.28 | Arfim | iirc? |
| 03:14.32 | erudified | if i recall correctly |
| 03:14.36 | Stevie | yeah, there is something like that. |
| 03:14.44 | Stevie | You could also work based off of x11vnc |
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| 03:15.36 | icrone | after dist-upgrade, i can only login to kdm as a newly created user. what is wrong? |
| 03:15.52 | erudified | gdm brings the sex appeal man |
| 03:16.00 | erudified | i wanna lick it |
| 03:16.01 | Stevie | is that why I can't get a gf? |
| 03:16.06 | Stevie | because I don't use gdm? |
| 03:16.17 | erudified | I wouldn't rule it out |
| 03:16.28 | Stevie | I'll have to install it when I get home |
| 03:16.43 | erudified | be sure to pick a flagrantly heterosexual login screen |
| 03:16.53 | Stevie | hahaha |
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| 03:16.56 | Stevie | so wait |
| 03:16.56 | Arfim | erudified, gnurdux, stevie: thanks a lot, now i think i've got the idea |
| 03:16.59 | erudified | preferably something that involves graphic images of you decapitating koala bears |
| 03:17.01 | Stevie | no rainbows & naked men? |
| 03:17.16 | erudified | yeah well there are some hot pink logins |
| 03:17.18 | abrotman | Stevie: hold on |
| 03:17.20 | erudified | apparently women have started using FOSS |
| 03:17.40 | Stevie | no, that's FLOSS to clean up their teeth |
| 03:17.58 | erudified | it'd look like OS X! |
| 03:18.05 | icrone | hey, talk debian, not women. |
| 03:18.41 | abrotman | debian is sexy! |
| 03:18.53 | icrone | gfy then. |
| 03:19.13 | erudified | he went there abrotman |
| 03:19.39 | abrotman | icrone: oh .. you're the same guy from before ... |
| 03:19.55 | icrone | what same guy? |
| 03:20.05 | abrotman | icrone: the one isn't nice to people .. and wants us to watch crappy movies |
| 03:20.12 | erudified | hahah |
| 03:20.16 | erudified | brb new kernel |
| 03:20.42 | icrone | when did i want u to watch any movies? |
| 03:21.04 | abrotman | !tell icrone about u |
| 03:21.08 | icrone | i want u all to talk debian, stop fu..king around here. |
| 03:21.14 | abrotman | icrone: when you were guoming |
| 03:21.33 | abrotman | !tell icrone about u |
| 03:21.51 | icrone | wtf r u talking about? what guoming? |
| 03:21.57 | abrotman | !tell icrone about r |
| 03:22.22 | icrone | hey u, stop being a fool. |
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| 03:22.49 | abrotman | hey you .. stop being a tard .. you've got the same hostmask as guoming .. and talk like a tard .. just like him |
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| 03:23.36 | icrone | i don't know wtf u r talking about. just stick to debian. |
| 03:23.44 | abrotman | !tell icrone about u |
| 03:24.03 | erudified | hmm, okay, apparently the new kernel can't find /dev/hda3 at all |
| 03:24.10 | erudified | it says please append a correct root= option |
| 03:24.14 | icrone | that's better. |
| 03:24.22 | abrotman | i went for a walk today |
| 03:24.23 | erudified | anyone know what I got wrong in my kernel config? |
| 03:24.30 | erudified | abrotman did you see anything interesting? |
| 03:24.37 | abrotman | it was nice and warm. i drank water and saw some birds |
| 03:24.43 | erudified | would it have been fair to call the weather serendipity? |
| 03:24.51 | abrotman | erudified: don't use your own kernel |
| 03:25.10 | erudified | abrotman I don't want to =( I need to get the other cpufreq governors (ondemand) |
| 03:25.27 | abrotman | then i guess you should learn how to compile a kernel |
| 03:25.41 | abrotman | erudified: but first .. let me tell you about beer |
| 03:25.48 | erudified | I know how to compile a kernel |
| 03:25.52 | erudified | I mean, I just compiled one |
| 03:25.54 | abrotman | what's the full error ? |
| 03:26.01 | erudified | compiling one that works is another thing =) |
| 03:26.03 | abrotman | VFS : root not found ? |
| 03:26.13 | erudified | yeah, it can't find my hda3 device |
| 03:26.42 | erudified | says please append a correct root= option |
| 03:26.49 | abrotman | yeah .. you missed an option |
| 03:26.52 | abrotman | !norootfs |
| 03:26.52 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
| 03:27.11 | erudified | yeah I built reiserfs support in |
| 03:27.55 | abrotman | youmight need more than that |
| 03:28.06 | erudified | I'll do what that suggests; start with the 2.6.15 config |
| 03:28.10 | erudified | and add the acpi options I need |
| 03:29.48 | erudified | and, uh, maybe some of these pre-emption options =) |
| 03:30.06 | erudified | I can't really imagine this being much snappier but wth |
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| 03:31.32 | whaq | blarg.. debian is dog slow on an nslu2.. but I lub it all the same. |
| 03:32.00 | erudified | youre a gentleman and a scholar good sir |
| 03:32.22 | erudified | and im sure that the maintainers who lie upstream of your fair pond will catch wind of your plight and perhaps, in a fit of benevolence, bring teh snappy to your hardware |
| 03:32.40 | abrotman | whaq: your alternatives are .... zilch? :) |
| 03:32.50 | whaq | kind sir, I appreciate your sentiments. I shall rest easy tonight. |
| 03:32.53 | abrotman | netbsd maybe |
| 03:33.02 | abrotman | whaq: how much RAM ? |
| 03:33.16 | whaq | 32MB |
| 03:33.21 | whaq | er less |
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| 03:33.58 | abrotman | less? |
| 03:34.03 | abrotman | my 486 has 36MB :) |
| 03:34.04 | whaq | NSLU:~# free -m |
| 03:34.05 | whaq | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.05 | whaq | Mem: 29 28 0 0 1 16 |
| 03:34.13 | unix_infidel | lol. |
| 03:34.16 | whaq | ;) |
| 03:34.16 | abrotman | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 03:34.36 | whaq | MemTotal: 30288 kB |
| 03:34.36 | whaq | MemFree: 932 kB |
| 03:34.49 | abrotman | i'd guess that's 28MB? |
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| 03:34.56 | whaq | Processor : XScale-IXP42x Family rev 1 (v5l) |
| 03:34.56 | whaq | BogoMIPS : 133.12 |
| 03:34.57 | abrotman | if you can up it .. i would |
| 03:35.00 | sivik_ | is there a way to get wmv3 files to run in vlc or mplayer? |
| 03:35.03 | whaq | Vavavrrrroooom |
| 03:35.09 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 03:35.09 | dpkg | hmm... w32codecs is a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular (but proprietary) multimedia codecs, such as avi, wmv, wma, normally found on windows systems. Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these codecs in debian. There is an article at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 about w32codecs that ad |
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| 03:35.56 | whaq | anyhow, this thing is silent, runs off USB 5v, and it can make use of my bunch of USB drives. so I'm teh happy with it. |
| 03:35.56 | erudified | first thing I did when I got this laptop was... appropriate... 2 gigs of sodimms from work |
| 03:36.21 | erudified | what *is* it whaq? |
| 03:36.30 | whaq | what laptop do you have, erudified? |
| 03:36.38 | erudified | el cheapo dell 600m |
| 03:36.46 | whaq | ahh |
| 03:36.52 | whaq | what is what? |
| 03:36.58 | erudified | nslu |
| 03:37.21 | liable | !slug |
| 03:37.22 | dpkg | it has been said that slug is the Sydney Linux User Group. Meetings are normally held on the last Friday of each month, at UTS (University of Technology). See htt://www.slug.org.au/ for further details. on #slug on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:37.22 | whaq | http://www1.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=640 |
| 03:37.30 | liable | meh |
| 03:37.33 | erudified | thats badass! |
| 03:37.49 | whaq | that thing is smaller than a vhs tape |
| 03:38.17 | whaq | bout the size of 2 packs of cigs side by side |
| 03:38.25 | erudified | I want one now |
| 03:38.56 | abrotman | so get one |
| 03:38.59 | whaq | i'm concluding my tests... so far it always crash when I copy about, uh, 50GB worth of 'big' files to it.. |
| 03:39.00 | abrotman | or get another ARM machine |
| 03:39.17 | whaq | i'm hoping it's not hardware related. debian should save me. |
| 03:39.22 | whaq | DEbian saves! |
| 03:39.32 | erudified | Alex withdraws! |
| 03:39.48 | abrotman | i do? |
| 03:39.49 | whaq | NSLU Ripostes! |
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| 03:41.38 | sivik__ | !wmv3 |
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| 03:42.48 | sivik__ | !wmv |
| 03:42.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wmv is http://wiki.debian.org/WindowsMediaVideo : a Microsoft video format using proprietary technologies, partially reverse-engineered. support under Debian (without using non-free software) is limited. |
| 03:42.53 | sivik__ | !wmv3 |
| 03:42.55 | sivik__ | !mplayer |
| 03:42.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 03:43.03 | abrotman | !tell sivik_ about mplayer |
| 03:43.07 | abrotman | !tell sivik_ about w32codecs |
| 03:43.20 | sivik__ | abrotman, thats what i was looking for |
| 03:43.23 | sivik__ | !w32codecs |
| 03:43.23 | dpkg | i guess w32codecs is a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular (but proprietary) multimedia codecs, such as avi, wmv, wma, normally found on windows systems. Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these codecs in debian. There is an article at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 about w32codecs that ad |
| 03:43.25 | erudified | !tell me about mplayer legal saga |
| 03:43.38 | abrotman | sivik_: msg the bot |
| 03:44.01 | sivik__ | abrotman, ok |
| 03:44.05 | erudified | My boss wanted me to whip up a really easy to use flv transcoder |
| 03:44.14 | erudified | he almost shit himself when I told him what the licensing fees would be |
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| 03:47.04 | karsten | WTF is pdiff? |
| 03:47.16 | abrotman | !pdiff |
| 03:47.17 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. |
| 03:47.46 | karsten | When did that happen?' |
| 03:48.09 | liable | about a month aga? |
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| 03:48.13 | liable | ago |
| 03:48.24 | karsten | Right. I'm testing/unstable, suspect it's updated recently then. |
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| 03:50.43 | Vasistha | so, I've got debian installed on this hard drive here. I'd like to just take it out of this computer and put it in a different computer ... both running Intel Pentium or Celeron chips... any special considerations? Is this something that I could just do fairly regularly if I need to switch it between computers? |
| 03:51.11 | erudified | just make sure it's the primary master or whatever or fstab will shit the bed |
| 03:51.25 | erudified | for the most part, if you use hotplug/discover, it should 'just work' |
| 03:51.33 | erudified | your X config might need to be reworked |
| 03:51.49 | Vasistha | hmm, X config... for resolution, hsync/vsync? |
| 03:51.55 | erudified | and video hardware |
| 03:52.16 | erudified | if you swap the video card out (I have a few el cheapo TNT2s around for this sort of thing) it's painless |
| 03:53.09 | Vasistha | well, one of them (the one where I did the install) has on-board video... so I was kinda thinking that it ought to "just work" on an AGP card, since I won't be demanding anything special... in fact, I haven't even installed X yet! |
| 03:53.40 | erudified | well basically your options are to use the VESA driver for X and some lowest common denominator resolution |
| 03:53.51 | erudified | or get a few identical PCI graphics cards |
| 03:53.58 | erudified | and swap them around as needed |
| 03:53.59 | Vasistha | erudified: yeah, I won't be running more than 1024 anyway |
| 03:54.45 | Vasistha | is discover automatically installed by sarge, or is it usually only run once during install? |
| 03:54.59 | erudified | it's ran on every boot |
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| 03:55.35 | Vasistha | nice, so it sounds like I might not have to do anything at all, save for possibly /etc/fstab considerations (that I can fix with a maintenance cd) |
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| 03:55.42 | erudified | *nods* |
| 03:55.54 | erudified | it's usually not an issue to make sure that you're the primary master |
| 03:55.55 | Vasistha | wonderful! Thanks a lot, erudified |
| 03:56.01 | erudified | np |
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| 04:03.45 | sanmarcos | does debian include any script to automate my iptables rules on startup? |
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| 04:04.28 | Vasistha | sanmarcos: well, I use guarddog, and it's set up in rcS.d |
| 04:05.37 | sanmarcos | Vasistha, guarddog a gui? i dont have X |
| 04:06.15 | Vasistha | sanmarcos: yeah, it is. At any rate, there certainly ought to be something to run in rcS.d |
| 04:06.35 | sanmarcos | Vasistha, hmm no iptables (package) doesnt include anything |
| 04:06.43 | sanmarcos | sucks to have to do it manually |
| 04:07.23 | Vasistha | sanmarcos: let's see, my guarddog script does /bin/bash /etc/rc.firewall |
| 04:07.56 | sanmarcos | Vasistha, nope, nothing, anyways, ill build one |
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| 04:09.25 | liable | gah, if only i had actually payed attention last night, i woulda gotten my tvcard working.. |
| 04:09.42 | Vasistha | sanmarcos: hmph. Well, I'll be happy to pastebin my /etc/init.d/guarddog startup script for you to model after. It looks like /etc/rc.firewall is actually the iptables setup script |
| 04:09.55 | sanmarcos | Vasistha, no, but thanks |
| 04:10.02 | sanmarcos | liable, what tvcard? |
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| 04:10.26 | liable | sanmarcos: avermedia cardbus. saa7134 chip |
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| 04:11.05 | liable | sanmarcos: i couldnt get sound out of it. i must have been a little drunk or something cause i did it in 2 minutes this morning :) |
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| 04:15.03 | GaiaX11 | How do I know where my /boot is installed? hda ???!!! |
| 04:15.18 | GaiaX11 | Is ther a command for that? |
| 04:15.19 | sanmarcos | sortadi, who do you think is doing good at the world cup? |
| 04:15.27 | sanmarcos | GaiaX11, ?? |
| 04:15.28 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: cat /etc/fstab ? |
| 04:15.34 | sanmarcos | GaiaX11, mount |
| 04:15.48 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: heh or are you trying to create /etc/fstab? ;-) |
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| 04:19.15 | mzuverink | How difficult is it to compile a custom kernel, and can someone point me to a howto? I need to disable EFI and add nvidia stuff. |
| 04:19.52 | GaiaX11 | The problem is that suppose that i have a dual boot machine and want to get back my grub i have to know where the boot was before |
| 04:20.19 | GaiaX11 | So how do i know that? |
| 04:20.19 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: you can use grub's find feature |
| 04:20.40 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: and have you inspected /etc/fstab ? Maybe you should pastebin it? |
| 04:20.56 | whaq|away | i love back grubs |
| 04:21.09 | mzuverink | also, does anyone know if EFI is enabled in all debian kernels? |
| 04:21.38 | Vasistha | mzuverink: I've not done it very successfully before, but what I have learned is this: make the _minimum_ number of changes ... and use modules whenever possible. Settings stuff to be "built in" means you have to have the source code ready to be compiled on the spot during kernel compilation (I *think*) |
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| 04:22.23 | mzuverink | Vasistha, the only real thing I need to do is disable EFI, it screw my ipod up and makes it so I cannot sync it |
| 04:22.48 | GaiaX11 | How to pastebin that? |
| 04:22.53 | mzuverink | Vasistha, yet that alone is paramount since I am a noob |
| 04:23.06 | Vasistha | mzuverink: hmm, that's odd. Have you tried just running gtkpod, or is that what you're doing? |
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| 04:23.49 | Vasistha | !tell GaiaX11 -about paste |
| 04:24.12 | mzuverink | Vasistha, yeah, it seems that there is a reported bug to this effect in 2.6 and some 2.4 kernels. EFI causes the wrong size of the ipod disk to be reported and then the ipod I/O errors out |
| 04:24.20 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: while you're at it, also paste the output of 'mount' |
| 04:25.24 | mzuverink | Vasistha, so I need to recompile disabling EFI and it will supposively work. I would hate to have to dual boot windows just for my ipod |
| 04:25.25 | Vasistha | mzuverink: yow. well, perhaps compiling the kernel is your only option. |
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| 04:25.54 | Vasistha | mzuverink: there are some very good kernel compilation manuals out there... I think there's one called "Compiling the kernel, the debian way" |
| 04:26.09 | Vasistha | !compile kernel |
| 04:26.10 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 04:26.29 | Vasistha | mzuverink: /msg dpkg ;-) |
| 04:26.29 | mzuverink | thanks |
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| 04:26.54 | GaiaX11 | Vasistha, can i paste that in #flood? |
| 04:26.59 | stoned | linksys blows |
| 04:27.01 | Vasistha | mzuverink: but anyway... my advice, from a newbie perspective, is just make the minimum number of changes |
| 04:27.05 | stoned | whats a good affordable router |
| 04:27.05 | GaiaX11 | And then? |
| 04:27.15 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: sure, be right there. stoned ... I'm inclined to agree |
| 04:27.16 | stoned | it doesn't have to be wireless |
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| 04:27.32 | stoned | just need at least 4 ports |
| 04:27.34 | mzuverink | Vasistha, I am only going to disable EFI |
| 04:27.52 | stoned | Vasistha, I wokeup one day. |
| 04:27.52 | Vasistha | mzuverink: sounds like a plan! oh... hey, something occurs to me... |
| 04:28.05 | mzuverink | Vasistha, any idea on the time frame for a compile? |
| 04:28.06 | stoned | Vasistha, thats pretty much ALL I did. |
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| 04:28.28 | stoned | Vasistha, is it so wrong to expect shit to keep working just like it did the night before? |
| 04:28.35 | stoned | I didn't change any settings. |
| 04:28.40 | Vasistha | mzuverink: depends on your processor. I have an old 333 MHz processor, it takes maybe 40 minutes or so |
| 04:28.55 | Vasistha | stoned: hmm, do you have two routers working together? |
| 04:28.58 | mzuverink | Vasistha, ok |
| 04:29.10 | stoned | I wake up to find out, when connected through router to cable modem, I can access my lan but not the internet. without the router, internet works |
| 04:29.21 | Vasistha | yee |
| 04:29.36 | stoned | this is fucking pissing me off |
| 04:29.38 | Vasistha | did you try pinging with IP address rather than dns? |
| 04:29.40 | stoned | I wanna fucking yell right now |
| 04:29.41 | stoned | :/ |
| 04:29.48 | stoned | dns resolves |
| 04:29.54 | stoned | 98% packet loss with router |
| 04:29.58 | Vasistha | yow! |
| 04:30.01 | stoned | yeah... |
| 04:30.08 | Vasistha | that sounds like a broken router :-( |
| 04:30.15 | stoned | how the fuck does shit break on its own |
| 04:30.20 | stoned | I mean, wtf |
| 04:30.29 | stoned | :( |
| 04:31.14 | stoned | I am seriously very angry and upset right now man, two goddamn days man, I thought it was an isp problem, since they were upgrading stuff in my area, apparantly no connection loss from them, its a router problem |
| 04:31.33 | GaiaX11 | Vasistha, they are there |
| 04:31.36 | stoned | I hookedup directly to the modem in stead of the router and voila, Im here |
| 04:32.10 | stoned | I had to drive 15 miles to go pay my electric bill!!! |
| 04:32.20 | stoned | I coulda done this online had I known wtf the problem was |
| 04:32.25 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: okay, it looks like you don't have a distinct /boot partition, which is fine ... your / partition is /dev/hdc3 right? |
| 04:32.39 | stoned | ahh fuck computers |
| 04:32.43 | Vasistha | 15 miles? Sucks. Dude. |
| 04:32.49 | stoned | I hate em |
| 04:33.15 | Vasistha | that's really weird, though. |
| 04:33.23 | stoned | I konw |
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| 04:33.30 | stoned | I didn't even change any settings |
| 04:33.32 | Vasistha | perhaps your isp did something weird that is screwing up the router's connection |
| 04:33.46 | stoned | the router won't get anything from the cable modem |
| 04:33.47 | Vasistha | maybe it's having trouble keeping alive or redialing or something |
| 04:33.54 | stoned | it doesn't dial |
| 04:33.58 | GaiaX11 | Vasistha, right |
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| 04:34.18 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: so /boot is just on the root partition, / |
| 04:35.06 | stoned | the router gets info from dhcp from cable modem. cable modem is fine, because the PC can pickup an ip from dhcp. The rotuer however cannot. It keeps showing WAN ip as 0.0.0.0, the lan ip, 192.xxx however and internal lan work fine |
| 04:35.13 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: ...so wherever you put the drive, you'll always want to look at the third partition, like hda3 or hdb3 or hdc3 ... although from grub, it counts from 0, so right now it would be (hd2,2) |
| 04:35.22 | stoned | sometimes the router will show the proper network info it got from cable modem |
| 04:35.36 | stoned | in times like that, dns resolves, but gets about 98% packet loss |
| 04:35.55 | Vasistha | stoned: craigslist ... used router ... $10 |
| 04:35.57 | stoned | I NEED my internal network to function and my intetnet to function |
| 04:36.17 | Vasistha | stoned: hmm, or get a second network card for your box and use linux as a router/gateway |
| 04:36.28 | GaiaX11 | Vasistha, so if i want to get back grub i do: # grub-install /dev/hdc3 ???!!! |
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| 04:36.43 | stoned | yeah, how much is a pci card, cheap one |
| 04:36.45 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: uhm... I'm not entirely sure, but that sounds right |
| 04:36.48 | stoned | like 10-15$ |
| 04:36.53 | sparr | can i shut a hard drive down, make it stop spinning? |
| 04:36.58 | Vasistha | stoned: depends where you buy, you might even find a new one for $15 |
| 04:37.12 | Vasistha | sparr: with ACPI, probably |
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| 04:37.21 | stoned | I'm still very pissed off |
| 04:37.38 | stoned | I am going to go and listen to afroman |
| 04:38.00 | stoned | oh wait |
| 04:38.05 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: that -looks- right... |
| 04:38.12 | stoned | I can't, cuz I can't access my internal network where the music resides |
| 04:38.17 | stoned | ARGH!! |
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| 04:40.11 | Vasistha | stoned: good luck, man, maybe you should take a walk around the block and go to bed early :-) |
| 04:41.09 | GaiaX11 | Vasistha, many thanks! |
| 04:41.18 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: you're welcome, good luck with it! |
| 04:41.19 | sivik__ | stoned, do you have the default gateway set correctly? |
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| 04:41.38 | sivik__ | stoned, as well as the subnet mask? |
| 04:42.00 | stoned | dont' ask me stupid questions |
| 04:42.05 | stoned | but thanks |
| 04:42.05 | Strayhikari | Anyone know how to force apt-get to get kernel headers from the internet rather than asking for a cd? |
| 04:42.22 | markybob | Strayhikari, remove the cd from /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 04:42.23 | dabreegster | Change your sources.list |
| 04:42.37 | Strayhikari | kk thanks gentlemen, bit of a noob >_< |
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| 04:43.06 | sivik__ | stoned: so you have all that stuff correctly, and you still can't access that area, can you ping it? |
| 04:44.20 | Strayhikari | awesome, working perfectly :) thanks a ton! |
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| 04:50.34 | markybob | moving irc servers...what will these people think of next. |
| 04:51.12 | dabreegster | I'm sure many will still hang out here. I know I will. |
| 04:52.12 | markybob | this channel has 3x the amount as the 'official' channel in oftc. it's splitting our resources and only making it more difficult to get/give proper help. |
| 04:52.16 | markybob | i just dont get it. |
| 04:55.17 | Silicon | it'd be too easy if things made sense |
| 04:56.46 | Strayhikari | Are there any good tools for monitoring wireless connection/scanning etc |
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| 04:56.52 | Strayhikari | gui tools i mean |
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| 04:59.15 | Strayhikari | Anybody? |
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| 04:59.46 | markybob | Strayhikari, http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
| 04:59.59 | dabreegster | Strayhikari: apt-cache search wireless monitor produces a few things which you might like |
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| 05:02.20 | Strayhikari | Thanks guys |
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| 05:08.40 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 05:08.42 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:08.45 | tarzeau | there's 2.6.17 .. |
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| 05:09.20 | markybob | tarzeau, one of these days you'll stop with the popcon stuff. hell might've frozen over by then, but i can dream. |
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| 05:09.43 | jiSh | keeps making me think of popcorn |
| 05:09.45 | jiSh | dammit |
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| 05:10.05 | tarzeau | you'll always think of me when eating popcorn in cinema. hah! |
| 05:10.16 | markybob | that's one very sad thought |
| 05:10.27 | stoned | I started to pretend that I don't have a router or any other computers in the house |
| 05:10.28 | jiSh | *shudder |
| 05:10.30 | stoned | I think I'm ok now |
| 05:10.40 | jiSh | watching a movie, visions of my irc screen come up with this conversation... |
| 05:10.43 | jiSh | hmm , ill pass :O |
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| 05:16.39 | jdorje | in recent versions of debian unstable, the standard c (posix) library functions no longer come with manpages. So while 'man socketpair' used to work, it now gives nothing. What package do I need to install to get these manual pages? |
| 05:17.25 | dabreegster | jdorje: There's a manpages-dev |
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| 05:18.55 | nulltank | need some help... i just did an apt-get dist-upgrade and it's trying to move /usr/X11R6/bin while upgrading the X pckgs, however it errors saying that opera pkg is using that dir; however i can't remove opera now because i'm in the middle of a dist-upgrade |
| 05:20.32 | pinky_ | What causes Windows' inability to have colons (:) in filenames? Is that an NTFS thingy? |
| 05:20.57 | liable | grr, vlc cant seem to display mt tvcard input |
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| 05:22.02 | dabreegster | pinky_: Probably because that's the separator for drives |
| 05:22.28 | vldmr | hi |
| 05:23.04 | vldmr | I have do the first step to install debian from a bootable debian cd 1 |
| 05:23.15 | vldmr | its done |
| 05:23.34 | dabreegster | OK. Is there a problem? |
| 05:23.35 | vldmr | restarted the computer, open the console login |
| 05:24.00 | vldmr | dabreegster: X:) Now I like to put the X and KDE |
| 05:24.09 | pinky_ | dabreegster: So there's no problem whatsoever with having a : in a filename in a UNix-based OS? |
| 05:24.33 | markybob | pinky_, see for yourself. 'touch :' |
| 05:24.38 | dabreegster | pinky_: Apparently not |
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| 05:25.07 | dabreegster | vldmr: I don't believe it's on the base installation CD. Have you done the second step, where you select timezone and choose packages and such? |
| 05:25.22 | vldmr | dabreegster: yes |
| 05:25.37 | vldmr | all is fine |
| 05:25.43 | markybob | vldmr, did you select an online package repository? is your network up? |
| 05:25.53 | dabreegster | vldmr: Well? Do you just need to start X? |
| 05:26.16 | vldmr | I dont have internet them |
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| 05:26.33 | vldmr | dabreegster: yes |
| 05:26.46 | markybob | vldmr, i'm not sure what you just said, but what does apt-get install x-window-system kde do? does it say it's already installed or does it try to install them? |
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| 05:27.31 | dabreegster | vldmr: If you did correctly install them, launch whatever display manager you chose. gdm, kdm, kdm, xdm, etc |
| 05:27.51 | markybob | or just 'startkde' |
| 05:28.00 | vldmr | dabreegster: only appear the console login |
| 05:28.15 | owh | I have lire installed, it generates reports once a week for syslog, squid and apache, but no matter how hard I try, I cannot get it to generate an apache report with actual content. It generates the report, but it shows no data. |
| 05:28.18 | markybob | !br |
| 05:28.18 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:28.30 | vldmr | ok |
| 05:28.40 | markybob | vldmr, viva brasil. great game yesterday |
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| 05:29.06 | vldmr | dabreegster: I dont have X or KDE installed |
| 05:29.18 | markybob | apparently i should just stop talking |
| 05:29.36 | vldmr | I dont have internet |
| 05:29.38 | dabreegster | vldmr: Then you should try to get your network working and apt-get them. Or get them from the CD. |
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| 05:29.49 | vldmr | from cd |
| 05:29.58 | dabreegster | You were unable to set it up? What sort of connection do you have? |
| 05:30.37 | vldmr | dabreegster: I have a 300 kbps internet connection in another machine |
| 05:31.08 | vldmr | I just can get iso cdrom |
| 05:31.13 | dabreegster | vldmr: OK. The installer usually detects network cards pretty well. Was it hooked up? |
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| 05:31.45 | vldmr | I downloaded discs 1 and 2 |
| 05:32.20 | vldmr | I used the 1 to install the system on PPC |
| 05:32.25 | vldmr | G3 |
| 05:32.49 | vldmr | and I need to put the X and KDE |
| 05:32.55 | owh | vldmr: From memory there should be enough on Disc 1 alone to get you to a kde/x desktop. |
| 05:33.27 | vldmr | ok |
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| 05:33.46 | vldmr | but how I see the packages path on cd ? |
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| 05:34.16 | jdorje | thanks dabreegster |
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| 05:34.26 | owh | vldmr: If you installed it with the installer, then you should already have the CD as a src, so you should be able to do "apt-cache searck kde" |
| 05:34.34 | owh | s/seark/search/ |
| 05:34.46 | vldmr | ok |
| 05:35.30 | vldmr | owh: on CD ? |
| 05:35.40 | owh | Yup, AFAIK. |
| 05:36.20 | owh | vldmr: You should be able to do: "apt-cache show kde" |
| 05:36.32 | owh | vldmr: Then "apt-get install kde" |
| 05:36.36 | vldmr | ok |
| 05:36.55 | vldmr | its with the X ? |
| 05:37.08 | owh | vldmr: kde will install X for you. |
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| 05:37.32 | vldmr | I have problems here with the apt-get command |
| 05:37.46 | dabreegster | What's wrong? |
| 05:37.53 | vldmr | packages have unmet dependencies |
| 05:37.59 | gravity | No it won't |
| 05:38.05 | gravity | You want to install x-window-system too |
| 05:38.20 | owh | vldmr: What *exact* error? |
| 05:38.29 | vldmr | I like to install x-window-system from cd |
| 05:38.45 | owh | vldmr: From memory, it's all on CD 1. |
| 05:38.46 | vldmr | plz |
| 05:38.57 | markybob | this language barrier is killing everything. i told you, go to #debian-br |
| 05:39.01 | vldmr | owh: its a PPC G3 |
| 05:39.02 | owh | vldmr: What do you want, kde, or x? |
| 05:39.11 | owh | vldmr: That makes no difference. |
| 05:39.17 | vldmr | owh: first the X, then KDE |
| 05:39.23 | markybob | holy moses |
| 05:39.24 | markybob | !br |
| 05:39.25 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 05:39.58 | vldmr | owh: the X |
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| 05:40.15 | vldmr | I put the cd1 and mounted it on /media/cdrom |
| 05:40.37 | vldmr | ok ? |
| 05:40.54 | markybob | yes, ok. #debian-br |
| 05:40.56 | owh | vldmr: No, apt will ask you for the CD. |
| 05:41.13 | vldmr | owh: umount then ? |
| 05:41.23 | owh | vldmr: Yes. |
| 05:41.38 | vldmr | ok |
| 05:42.13 | vldmr | done |
| 05:42.16 | owh | Can someone remind me what the core X11 package is? |
| 05:42.20 | vldmr | umounted the cdrom |
| 05:42.43 | owh | vldmr: One moment... |
| 05:42.47 | markybob | x-window-system-core |
| 05:42.50 | gravity | owh: x-window-system |
| 05:43.02 | owh | vldmr: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 05:43.05 | dabreegster | owh: x-window-system-core in testing is transitional to xorg |
| 05:43.24 | owh | Yeah, that's what apt-cache show told me :-) |
| 05:43.31 | vldmr | waitting |
| 05:43.40 | vldmr | i'll do |
| 05:43.41 | owh | vldmr: For what? |
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| 05:44.08 | mo1991 | what packages do I need installed to have sarge automatically recognize usb drives/camera's etc. |
| 05:44.23 | vldmr | owh: I do all in another machine |
| 05:44.41 | karsten | mo1991: hotplug and possibly gphoto. |
| 05:45.26 | vldmr | Edward_TLS: Coudn't find package x-window-system |
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| 05:45.32 | vldmr | ops |
| 05:45.36 | mo1991 | karsten - is there a way to have it mount and show the drive on the desktop? I know fedora used to do this? |
| 05:45.37 | owh | vldmr: I have no idea what you're saying. On the machine where you want to install X11, type: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 05:46.27 | markybob | mo1991, apt-get install gnome-volume-manager |
| 05:46.31 | vldmr | owh, appear it: "E: Couldn't find package x-window-system" |
| 05:46.39 | karsten | mo1991: I'm probably the wrong guy to ask. |
| 05:46.46 | karsten | mo1991: I prefer mounting stuff m'self. |
| 05:46.47 | owh | fsk. |
| 05:46.51 | markybob | mo1991, apt-cache show gnome-volume-manager for details |
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| 05:47.16 | dds | so, a friend of mine is writing a new gtk app and he wants to make the program disconnect from the console in main() because he believes most users running it from bash don't know enough bash to disconnect it from the shell, put it in the background, and disown it. |
| 05:47.26 | dds | I believe this is a bad idea because it violates conventions that people expect |
| 05:47.33 | owh | vldmr: Did you install Debian from the CD's you're using? |
| 05:47.36 | dds | and it causes other things to break (this app is actually a text editor and forcing this behavior causes the program to be unusable as a setting in $EDITOR) |
| 05:47.43 | dds | he offered that we take a poll on this topic |
| 05:47.55 | dds | and so I'd like to hear any comments from the #debian channel about it, if you please. |
| 05:48.05 | markybob | dds then why dont you go ask slashdot or something? |
| 05:48.12 | owh | dds: What actual problem are you trying to resolve before we vote on it? |
| 05:48.19 | markybob | dds, or irc.gimp.org #gtk |
| 05:48.24 | dabreegster | dds: It could be optional. But yeah, ^Z and bg is so easy, just have a note that informs new users to this |
| 05:48.26 | dds | markybob, well, I was hoping you guys would be faster, just to get a view from regular unix users. |
| 05:48.40 | dds | markybob, it's not about the implementation, just what sort of behaviour you prefer |
| 05:49.07 | vldmr | owh: |
| 05:49.09 | vldmr | X:) |
| 05:49.13 | dabreegster | dds: I personally wouldn't want something that forks and detaches. Then again, I know how to use job control |
| 05:49.18 | vldmr | apt-cdrom add |
| 05:49.28 | vldmr | and x-window-system-core |
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| 05:49.36 | nulltank | is there a way for me to make apt think a package is not installed? so i can get past my pkg dead-lock |
| 05:49.38 | vldmr | working |
| 05:49.40 | vldmr | X:) |
| 05:49.43 | owh | dds: If you're asking if an application that you launch, which draws a window and expects behaviour interaction with the console, you can do either. OpenOffice disconnects, but Firefox doesn't. |
| 05:50.07 | owh | dds: Uhm, s/console/main window/ |
| 05:50.36 | dabreegster | nulltank: That's usually a bad idea. What problem are you having with dependencies? |
| 05:50.50 | dds | owh, right, not trying to solve that problem at all |
| 05:50.55 | dds | just |
| 05:50.56 | owh | dds: Uhm, firefox does disconnect :-) oo.o doesn't :-) |
| 05:51.02 | dds | whether it should automatically disconnect or not |
| 05:51.10 | dds | instead of you using &, disown, etc |
| 05:51.17 | dabreegster | owh: Firefox definitely does not fork and detach. |
| 05:51.22 | markybob | dds i'd say dont disconnect. |
| 05:51.36 | nulltank | dabreegster: i'm doing a dist-upgrade on a machine i haven't upgraded in a while and it's upgrading X and changing /usr/X11R6/bin to a link... |
| 05:52.04 | owh | dabreegster: Then I must be missing something. I type 'firefox' on a bash prompt and I get my prompt back. |
| 05:52.14 | owh | dabreegster: Isn't that what we're talking about? |
| 05:52.36 | nulltank | dabreegster: however it's complaining that it can't continue because my opera pkg is using that dir; but now i can't remove opera because it tries to complete the dist-upgrade first, which tells me to try with -f install, which gives the same error |
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| 05:52.45 | dabreegster | owh: Yes. Hmm, I'm almost positive I recall it not doing that. |
| 05:53.01 | owh | dabreegster: I just tried it, that's why I changed my statement :-) |
| 05:53.15 | dabreegster | nulltank: Can you upgrade opera first and sort out that dependency? |
| 05:53.15 | dabreegster | owh: Ah, ok |
| 05:53.17 | markybob | i just tried it and it didnt disconnect here. this is interesting :) |
| 05:53.29 | fantomas | Is there a simple tool (except rinetd) which can listen to a port and transparently forward all incomming connections to a remote host? |
| 05:53.45 | owh | fantomas: Use ssh port forwarding... |
| 05:53.45 | markybob | iptables ? |
| 05:54.23 | nulltank | dabreegster: not sure how, and apt-get function now tells me to run apt-get -f install, which errors out |
| 05:54.33 | nulltank | s/and/any/ |
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| 05:55.16 | dabreegster | nulltank: This could be a tough one. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 part two (x11-common installation) might help. |
| 05:55.19 | SJr | When I try to login via ssh I get openpty: No such file or directory |
| 05:55.27 | SJr | anyone have any ideas |
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| 05:55.36 | fantomas | owh: you see I need something which I can socksify (with dante) which is not true for ssh afaik |
| 05:56.09 | nulltank | dabreegster: thx, i'll take a look |
| 05:56.31 | dabreegster | nulltank: Yes, it even mentions opera. It installs itself where it shouldn't. Move them to a temp location, upgrade, then move them back |
| 05:56.41 | owh | fantomas: Hmm, that statement made absolutely no sense to me :-) "You see I need something which I can blowup (with rockets) which is not true for ssh afaik" :-) |
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| 05:57.01 | owh | Hey dds, thought you got pissed off with us :-) |
| 05:57.08 | dds | can I just get a show of hands (a simple count is all I want) among people who feel they are versed in bash job control commands, do you know of the command disown? |
| 05:57.17 | owh | dds: Nope |
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| 05:57.34 | dds | owh, shrug, I'm just trying to get information for free, and we all know how hard that can be ;) |
| 05:57.34 | owh | dds: I'd use man disown, then I'd know :-) |
| 05:57.43 | dabreegster | dds: I'd prefer something that requires manual job control |
| 05:57.53 | owh | dds: So, back to my original question, what do you want to achieve? |
| 05:57.54 | fantomas | owh: any other suggestions among ssh? |
| 05:57.55 | dds | owh, unfortunately, disown is a bash command, hence it does not have its own man page, but yeah. |
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| 05:58.06 | dondelelcaro | help disown; or man bash... |
| 05:58.13 | vldmr | owh: ok, configuring xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:58.22 | dds | owh, I want to achieve nothing more than a count among people who claim to know bash job control commands, whether they are familiar with the disown command or not |
| 05:58.28 | owh | dds: Is that like making it possible to close your bash session without exiting the program you launched? |
| 05:58.57 | dds | I have a friend telling me "I've used bash for five fucking years, I'm a bash god, and I don't know disown so I can't possibly expect other people to know about it!! Ask other geeks who knows bash and I bet nobody knows disown!!" |
| 05:59.11 | dds | owh, exactly |
| 05:59.27 | owh | dds: My preference is that anything that opens a window gives me back my command-line. Anything that expects console interaction, doesn't. |
| 05:59.28 | dondelelcaro | dds: polls aren't allowed here; a lot of people don't know about some of the more obscure job control commands. |
| 05:59.34 | owh | dds: That's my vote. |
| 05:59.41 | dds | don_inlab, is that two sentences? |
| 05:59.52 | dds | err sorr, dondelelcaro |
| 05:59.54 | nulltank | dabreegster: yeah, that is not helpful either; I move opera out of the bin earlier, then did the -f install and i get the same error and my /usr/X11R6/bin got deleted |
| 06:00.19 | owh | dds: To the point where I write shell functions to make commands that don't do that work the way I want. |
| 06:00.22 | dds | dondelelcaro, and yeah, of course a lot of people don't know more obscure job control commands. The idea is to find out how obscure it is among power-user level bash users. |
| 06:00.33 | owh | dds: Very :-) |
| 06:00.36 | dabreegster | nulltank: Ow. Well, if it's gone, why's it still give the error? I thought it didn't like stuff in there. |
| 06:00.42 | owh | dds: IMHO :0-) |
| 06:00.46 | markybob | dds you'd probably have better luck with that in #bash |
| 06:00.47 | dondelelcaro | dds: this isn't the proper forum for that... there are other places to conduct polls. |
| 06:00.56 | dds | markybob, heh, there's actually a #bash? |
| 06:00.59 | markybob | dds yes |
| 06:01.02 | dds | dondelelcaro, fair enough, thanks |
| 06:01.07 | owh | Cool, help disown helps :-) |
| 06:01.15 | dds | excuse the interruption anyway |
| 06:01.26 | dds | normally this channel is kind of anything goes to begin with, but ;) |
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| 06:01.29 | owh | dondelelcaro: I suspect dds was just asking a few linux users :-) |
| 06:01.30 | gravity | nulltank: Try moving opera back to bin, putting x11-common on hold, and remove opera |
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| 06:01.48 | nulltank | dabreegster: good question, i think it's because it knows opera has a dependancy on that dir, which is why i want to make apt forget everything it knows about opera |
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| 06:02.05 | nulltank | gravity: ok, how do i put something on hold? |
| 06:02.10 | dabreegster | nulltank: Removing opera fails? |
| 06:02.20 | gravity | nulltank: I use aptitude in interactive mode. I select the package and hit = |
| 06:02.22 | markybob | !hold |
| 06:02.22 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 06:02.44 | nulltank | dabreegster: well apt no longer works because i'm in the middle of the install, but i could try dpkg |
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| 06:03.10 | gravity | nulltank: You just need to make sure x11-common doesn't try to install while you remove opera from the package system |
| 06:03.12 | owh | nulltank: I doubt that it would help, even if it worked. |
| 06:03.29 | gravity | That error message was written assuming people were putting things in that dir outside the package system all together |
| 06:03.33 | gravity | I guess it needs to be amended |
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| 06:05.07 | cat | hey everyone anyone here uses a prism54 card? |
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| 06:06.51 | cat | hey everyone anyone here uses a prism54 card? |
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| 06:10.16 | nulltank | dabreegster, gravity, owh: dpkg -r opera did the trick; x11-common is installing now; thx for the help |
| 06:10.36 | gravity | nulltank: No problem |
| 06:10.37 | dabreegster | Glad you got it working. |
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| 06:10.50 | cat | eth1 NOT READY! ESSID:off/any Mode:Managed Channel:0 Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=31 dBm Sensitivity=0/200 Retry min limit:0 RTS thr=0 B Fragment thr=0 B Encryption key:off Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 |
| 06:11.01 | cat | anyone here knows why it says not ready |
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| 06:12.18 | solomonn | this isn't debian-specific, i just love you guys but if anybody wants to point me to another chan instead i can try elsewhere. there are some special things you can do to try and make things happy that expect a FAT32 partition to have been made by windows, does anybody know what those are? |
| 06:12.49 | solomonn | also, does it matter whether i choose 0B (windows fat32) or 0C (windows fat32 LBA) in fdisk when i create said partition? |
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| 06:17.27 | vovo4ka | hi! |
| 06:17.33 | cat | heh |
| 06:18.24 | vovo4ka | i upgraded openssh to 4.3p2.... well... ssh refused me because not supported PAM |
| 06:19.02 | vovo4ka | i should remake openssh --with-pam |
| 06:19.17 | vovo4ka | where is libpam-dev? |
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| 06:19.37 | vovo4ka | it is virtual package, but what package provides it? |
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| 06:23.19 | dabreegster | vovo4ka: libpam0g-dev? |
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| 06:25.51 | vovo4ka | thanx |
| 06:25.53 | vovo4ka | 8) |
| 06:26.24 | dabreegster | Next time you want to solve a similar problem, apt-cache search virtualpackage may help |
| 06:26.31 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 06:26.33 | vovo4ka | thanx |
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| 06:29.17 | Edward_TLS | ? |
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| 06:30.29 | dabreegster | Edward_TLS: Someone tabbed your name accidentally I think |
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| 06:32.25 | maikol | anyone know why this comes up? sudo: unable to lookup debian via gethostbyname() |
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| 06:35.37 | Edward_TLS | i think so yes.. ;) |
| 06:35.49 | tarzeau | maikol: which kernel and c library? |
| 06:35.56 | tarzeau | maikol: you've got /etc/hosts ? |
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| 06:36.32 | vovo4ka | apt-get always go to cdrom... how to redirect it to the web? |
| 06:36.42 | tarzeau | vovo4ka: check sources.list in /etc/apt |
| 06:36.54 | maikol | tarzeau: kernel 2.6.8-2-386; and yes i have /etc/hosts |
| 06:37.10 | dabreegster | vovo4ka: Reconfigure it to use the net. apt-config has a menu-based selection for that I think |
| 06:37.19 | tarzeau | maikol: can you show /etc/hosts and also tell your c lib version? |
| 06:37.33 | vovo4ka | dabreegster, thanx again |
| 06:37.50 | dabreegster | No prob |
| 06:37.53 | maikol | tarzeau: dunno how to show c lib version. hosts file: 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 06:38.19 | dabreegster | maikol: apt-cache show libc6 would probably tell you |
| 06:38.20 | tarzeau | maikol: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 06:38.30 | tarzeau | dabreegster: not what he has installed |
| 06:38.49 | dabreegster | OK |
| 06:38.57 | vovo4ka | dabreegster, remind me how to reconfigure apt 8-) |
| 06:39.09 | vovo4ka | apt-config has shell and dump comands only |
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| 06:39.23 | maikol | tarzeau: Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 |
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| 06:39.29 | dabreegster | vovo4ka: Ah, let me check. There's an ncurses frontend to apt, I know it |
| 06:39.51 | vovo4ka | =) |
| 06:39.55 | netdaemon | dabreegster: aptitude |
| 06:39.55 | vovo4ka | nice |
| 06:40.11 | dabreegster | netdaemon: I mean to configure sources.list |
| 06:40.26 | netdaemon | with no arguments |
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| 06:40.38 | netdaemon | ah |
| 06:40.38 | netdaemon | apt-setup |
| 06:40.41 | netdaemon | =) |
| 06:41.07 | dabreegster | That's it. Odd, I don't have it. |
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| 06:41.20 | vovo4ka | netdaemon, greate! |
| 06:41.21 | vovo4ka | 8)) |
| 06:41.21 | netdaemon | i believe it must be run as root |
| 06:41.25 | vovo4ka | thanx guys |
| 06:42.21 | netdaemon | dist upgrades on dialup are brutal =) |
| 06:42.24 | netdaemon | oh well... |
| 06:42.29 | Jerrik | Hey, I've lost ssh on my server, and it's remote so I can't boot it up from home. All I got is ftp, and the ability to execute an uncensored system call, and script I can call with that that will log in as root and start up ssh? (Don't have expect installed :S) |
| 06:42.55 | dabreegster | netdaemon: Yes. Near impossible, especially if you can't stand the sound of your PC's fan overnight and have a flaky connection |
| 06:43.04 | Jerrik | 'and script' = 'any script' |
| 06:43.24 | netdaemon | dabreegster: i don't install much, it'll just take a day or 2 of downloading... |
| 06:43.29 | netdaemon | i'm very minimalist |
| 06:43.37 | netdaemon | well not very...but you get the gist |
| 06:43.59 | dabreegster | netdaemon: If I took the time to trash all these kde/gnome packages I *never* use, dist-upgrades would be great |
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| 06:44.28 | netdaemon | lol, i tend to avoid DE's like the plague |
| 06:45.12 | netdaemon | for lack of bandwidth reasons, but i'v learned linux much more quickly that way so its worth the effort =) |
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| 06:47.11 | larsdbj | i personally this linux is a server OS.. nothing for the Desktop |
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| 06:47.40 | netdaemon | larsdbj: whats on the desktop? |
| 06:47.41 | larsdbj | i use Mac or Windows for the desktop.. it is more developed for the Desktop |
| 06:47.46 | ricky_clarkson | larsdbj: It's improving in that direction. |
| 06:48.08 | netdaemon | works fine for me on the desktop, but i don't do much that would *require* windows |
| 06:49.34 | larsdbj | @ricky_clarkson.. that is true but still it will take maybe 10 years to get it user friendly as "mac" or "windows" |
| 06:49.36 | ravenbird | okay, larsdbj |
| 06:50.12 | larsdbj | :) just trying to get some more talking in the channel ... hehe |
| 06:50.23 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 06:50.37 | netdaemon | well for the average person that just surfs the internet and checks there email, linux is great |
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| 06:50.41 | netdaemon | for the gamer... |
| 06:50.48 | netdaemon | no not so great |
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| 06:51.18 | dabreegster | netdaemon: True, but happypenguin.org begs to differ |
| 06:51.20 | epsilon | ARGHHH |
| 06:51.32 | Jerrik | Anyway I can get a script (not an expect one) to log in as su (without sudo) and reboot my sshd? |
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| 06:51.52 | netdaemon | dabreegster: i'v yet to find a replacement for the sims :P |
| 06:52.11 | dabreegster | netdaemon: Yeah, I kind of miss that game |
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| 06:52.21 | epsilon | race condition sux |
| 06:52.37 | netdaemon | dabreegster: i have it on consoles though...but its not the same ;_; |
| 06:52.45 | netdaemon | i suppose i could pay cedega... |
| 06:52.58 | epsilon | I was wondering 2h about strange output of a function and it was because of a fucking fork :-/ |
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| 06:53.24 | dabreegster | netdaemon: I tried with wine once, and it failed. But I didn't spend much time on it. |
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| 06:53.44 | netdaemon | only thing i'v gotten running in wine is starcraft |
| 06:53.58 | netstar | How can one stop debuild from making clean each time? |
| 06:54.07 | netdaemon | thats the only thing i really bothered with though... |
| 06:54.53 | netdaemon | well i did get the sims deluxe installed, but it wouldn't start |
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| 06:55.04 | netdaemon | required ntoskrnl.exe |
| 06:55.05 | dabreegster | netdaemon: I'm too distracted these days by roguelikes and interactive fiction to spend time trying old Windows games. Plus DRI never worked with wine for me, and now isn't working at all, so little point. |
| 06:55.39 | netdaemon | haha, i'v been trying to learn C |
| 06:55.44 | netdaemon | ...as a first language |
| 06:56.05 | dabreegster | netdaemon: Might not be a great idea. |
| 06:56.35 | netdaemon | chapter 2 was easy |
| 06:56.39 | netdaemon | chapter 3...thats another story |
| 06:56.45 | mada | netdaemon: learn java or python as a first ... they are more "wordy" and easier to read/understand the source |
| 06:57.01 | netdaemon | mada: i think i'v come to the same conclusion, lol |
| 06:57.03 | mada | C is basically a high level assembly language |
| 06:57.19 | Coweater | lies |
| 06:57.25 | mada | and after taking courses in assembly, i greatly appreciate and respect java |
| 06:57.47 | netdaemon | on my old system java felt rather clunky and slow |
| 06:57.47 | ajdlinux | i'm learning python |
| 06:57.52 | netdaemon | on this one i havn't tried yet |
| 06:57.59 | ajdlinux | not as a first language but as a first decent language |
| 06:58.05 | dabreegster | Nobody has mentioned Perl yet. :( |
| 06:58.10 | ajdlinux | i hate perl |
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| 06:58.20 | ajdlinux | there, i mentioned perl, happy now? |
| 06:58.21 | maikol | tarzeau: is that the right verions |
| 06:58.28 | mada | ajdlinux: i am going to be learning python in like 2 weeks once i am done with this summer course ... do you like it? |
| 06:58.30 | netdaemon | a friend of mine keeps mentioning LISP |
| 06:58.37 | ajdlinux | mada: yes its cool |
| 06:58.44 | netstar | C is fine as a first language, it teaches you fundamentals before abstract lies. |
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| 06:58.54 | ajdlinux | mada: it has really good object orientation |
| 06:58.56 | netdaemon | how about PHP? |
| 06:59.07 | Jerrik | C++ is good as a first too. Good to start looking at things the OO way. |
| 06:59.10 | mada | ajdlinux: awesome |
| 06:59.16 | netdaemon | well i was fine untill they started throwing different varients of int into the equation |
| 06:59.19 | ajdlinux | php is ok, but a bit 'messy'. i'm writing a program in it right now actually |
| 06:59.37 | mada | netdaemon: php is great for database stuff, but i haven't really seen any other reason to use it |
| 06:59.41 | ajdlinux | jerrik: python is better for oo |
| 06:59.42 | dabreegster | netdaemon: That was my first. I forgot most of the things I learned from it. It was only my first language because of apparent ease. |
| 06:59.46 | Jerrik | Perl is definitely not the language you want to use for your first. Heh. Good scripting language |
| 06:59.54 | ajdlinux | mada: yes, web programming with sql is the only real reason for it |
| 06:59.55 | Jerrik | How can you say it's better? |
| 06:59.59 | tarzeau | maikol: looks fine |
| 07:00.06 | ajdlinux | Jerrik: sorta agreed about perl... |
| 07:00.07 | mada | ajdlinux: i <3 oo ... i live for java and i've read alot about python |
| 07:00.24 | Jerrik | mada: Check out jython |
| 07:00.26 | ajdlinux | mada: i prefer python because python is free software, java isn't |
| 07:00.40 | ajdlinux | all the free implementations of java atm are pretty crap |
| 07:00.45 | maikol | tarzeau: so then that is not the reason for the message |
| 07:01.06 | netdaemon | python does seem rather interesting though, i'd love to learn it |
| 07:01.24 | ajdlinux | netdaemon: it has very good oo, EVERYTHING is an object |
| 07:01.25 | maikol | everyone should learn python. its a great language |
| 07:01.28 | mada | Jerrik: read about it, i think i will look into it after i have a decent foundation of python understanding, just so i don't go confusing myself |
| 07:01.32 | ajdlinux | even basic types like strings and stuff |
| 07:01.42 | DaLeach | yo u learn the language for what you want to do |
| 07:01.42 | DaLeach | languages are specific |
| 07:01.49 | DaLeach | php has nothign to do with C really |
| 07:01.51 | maikol | very true |
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| 07:02.03 | Jerrik | Python is so slow though :S |
| 07:02.03 | ajdlinux | DaLeach: php is more like perl really |
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| 07:02.08 | ajdlinux | Jerrik: true |
| 07:02.16 | netdaemon | well i just want to help the community out a little more than helping new people |
| 07:02.17 | DaLeach | well umm but perl on the web |
| 07:02.20 | ajdlinux | but once its loaded its faster |
| 07:02.21 | Jerrik | And the over head. Holy crap. |
| 07:02.22 | mada | ajdlinux: how is python in speed compared to java? |
| 07:02.22 | DaLeach | or perl for scripting |
| 07:02.23 | netdaemon | so i figured C would be a good one |
| 07:02.27 | Jerrik | mada: Slower. |
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| 07:02.28 | DaLeach | you just learn what you need to |
| 07:02.30 | ajdlinux | mada: slower |
| 07:02.31 | Jerrik | mada: Much much slower. |
| 07:02.32 | dabreegster | DaLeach: Very true. If I was making a 3D graphics intensive game, I wouldn't be using Perl. |
| 07:02.36 | mada | WHAT?!!? |
| 07:02.37 | DaLeach | nor php |
| 07:02.39 | mada | wow ... |
| 07:02.41 | DaLeach | nor java |
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| 07:02.49 | DaLeach | nor python |
| 07:02.50 | ajdlinux | dabreegster: there are 3d games in python, apt-get install slune |
| 07:03.01 | DaLeach | ok fine python i guess |
| 07:03.05 | ajdlinux | slune actually runs quite well |
| 07:03.11 | DaLeach | i'll have to try it |
| 07:03.12 | dabreegster | ajdlinux: I know. Balazar too. |
| 07:03.12 | DaLeach | k |
| 07:03.24 | ajdlinux | there is overhead, but its a really good language for this sorta thing, its just a bit slow |
| 07:03.49 | Jerrik | <3 C++ |
| 07:04.03 | ajdlinux | jerrik: hate c++ |
| 07:04.10 | ajdlinux | tried once and gave up |
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| 07:04.14 | ajdlinux | python is much cooler |
| 07:04.15 | Jerrik | You're missing out :). C++ is an awesome language. |
| 07:04.15 | netdaemon | ajdlinux: why the hate for C++? |
| 07:04.34 | ajdlinux | c++ is just hard to learn, powerful but difficult to use |
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| 07:05.01 | ajdlinux | its what differentiates 'scripting' languages from others, more functions and stuff. thats the advantage python and php have over c++ |
| 07:05.11 | mada | c++ sucks ass ... if you give me a moment i will find an article written by a professor at Rice university that exclaims its shittiness (i say this as i am knee deep in a project written in C++) |
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| 07:05.38 | DaLeach | language wars yes! |
| 07:05.44 | Jerrik | Saying C++ sucks, is pretty much saying that C sucks. Doesn't seem right to me. |
| 07:05.46 | DaLeach | all the world needs |
| 07:05.47 | netdaemon | haha |
| 07:06.08 | mada | actually you know what .... NO, i'm done ... language wars are about as useful as distro wars .... |
| 07:06.17 | mada | use what you like and you can code effectively in ... period |
| 07:06.20 | netdaemon | heh |
| 07:06.20 | DaLeach | except distro wars can make some sense |
| 07:06.25 | DaLeach | some distros don't do much |
| 07:06.31 | netdaemon | bah |
| 07:06.33 | mada | yet they rarely make sense |
| 07:06.33 | DaLeach | most known languages do a lot |
| 07:06.34 | DaLeach | hah |
| 07:06.43 | ajdlinux | debian is the best distro by far :) |
| 07:06.55 | ajdlinux | so we dont need distro wars - debian wins full stop |
| 07:06.58 | netdaemon | ajdlinux: i wouldn't say the best, the best for your purposes |
| 07:07.08 | ajdlinux | the best for everything :) |
| 07:07.12 | DaLeach | editor wars, os wars, lang wars, distro wars...all nauseating |
| 07:07.13 | mada | there are many distros because there are many tastes of how an OS should work and what people do with it, there for validating all those that aren't our favorite |
| 07:07.18 | netdaemon | i'v yet to find one that does what i want exactly, but i stick with debian |
| 07:07.18 | Jerrik | You should know many languages and use them when they apply. I use python, php, C/C++, perl, and bash on a regular basis. |
| 07:07.25 | netdaemon | its the clossest to what i want |
| 07:07.28 | ajdlinux | well i guess we can include derivatives in there |
| 07:07.29 | DaLeach | I went on an interview where they made me answer VI questions..yes that happens to be the one i use but.. |
| 07:07.32 | mada | amen Jerrik |
| 07:07.43 | netdaemon | Jerrik: thats my ultimate goal, but i chose to start with C |
| 07:07.45 | netdaemon | hehe... |
| 07:07.49 | Jerrik | I'm reluctant to get into the .NET stuff |
| 07:07.52 | netdaemon | learn the hard one, make the easy ones cake |
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| 07:08.07 | Jerrik | netdaemon: Honestly, you should go for C++ to get the OO state of mind. |
| 07:08.21 | Jerrik | Very few languages don't use some form of inheritance now a days. C is archaic. |
| 07:08.26 | ajdlinux | jerrik: python is a better learning language |
| 07:08.34 | cat | is any program in debian to see you're monitor Resolution/refresh rate |
| 07:08.34 | ajdlinux | for oo anyway |
| 07:08.36 | netdaemon | hm |
| 07:08.36 | mada | netdaemon: uhmmm... not always, i started on java and it made C make sense to be because i had the background of the easier one and then i just had to learn to translate syntax to that language |
| 07:08.40 | netdaemon | C++ it is |
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| 07:08.54 | netdaemon | mada: i do have a little background in BASIC, haha |
| 07:08.55 | Jerrik | ajdlinux: That's not true. You are missing the point of OO if you think it is. |
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| 07:09.09 | netdaemon | i can always just use this $35 book for reference |
| 07:09.10 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 07:09.24 | ajdlinux | well i suppose, because python has a very different oo from anything else |
| 07:09.31 | mada | netdaemon: oh wow ... yeah, thats as pointless langauge |
| 07:09.43 | Jerrik | ajdlinux: Right. You don't understand OO. |
| 07:09.44 | ajdlinux | mada: i know basic as well |
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| 07:09.57 | kingspawn | Python eats me. |
| 07:10.04 | mada | ajdlinux: i can't believe something as popular and widely used as python is so much slower than java ... |
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| 07:10.11 | tralala | why would sshd allow password login when I have "PasswordAuthentication no" in sshd_config? |
| 07:10.11 | ajdlinux | Jerrik: no i probably don't, i sorta understand python oo. gave up on c++ |
| 07:10.16 | kingspawn | Being forced to indent is inhibiting my freedom |
| 07:10.17 | maikol | tarzeau: any ideas for what to put in the hosts file? this didnt happen with my first install. |
| 07:10.27 | ajdlinux | mada: python has a big overhead, they're working on that i guess |
| 07:10.40 | vldmr | ok |
| 07:10.42 | ajdlinux | mada: the performance issues are mainly with loading though |
| 07:10.59 | mada | ajdlinux: hrmm... i don't know, i still plan to learn it because i need to and from everything i have read says it is extremely powerful |
| 07:11.12 | mada | ahhh ok, because its interpreted on the fly right? |
| 07:11.33 | ajdlinux | mada: it is |
| 07:11.36 | tarzeau | maikol: check www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ hosts |
| 07:11.44 | vldmr | if I have a ATI RADEON 128 video card, how I put on configuring xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 07:11.44 | ajdlinux | mada: it is definitely VERY powerful |
| 07:11.46 | ajdlinux | hyst slow |
| 07:11.56 | ricky_clarkson | mada: I can't believe people still think Java's slow. |
| 07:11.57 | ajdlinux | vldmr: use the 'ati driver' |
| 07:12.06 | ajdlinux | ricky_clarkson: it still it :) |
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| 07:12.11 | ajdlinux | is rather... |
| 07:12.11 | DaLeach | well python doesn't have nearly the following that Java has so whoever said that.... |
| 07:12.12 | ricky_clarkson | At what exactly? |
| 07:12.30 | vldmr | ATI Rage 128 |
| 07:12.32 | ajdlinux | DaLeach: its growing rapidly |
| 07:12.43 | ricky_clarkson | I wrote a network simulator in Java and it works fine on my 233. |
| 07:12.51 | vldmr | ajdlinux: I just put ati ? |
| 07:12.51 | mada | ricky_clarkson: it is .... if i can't functionally run software on a 400MHz PII w/128mb of ram, i think its slow ... i greatly enjoy efficiency |
| 07:12.58 | DaLeach | ok but its not close to the java following and kids using it is not the same as professionals....or using it to run companies/the world |
| 07:13.02 | ajdlinux | i did some timing on the py2.4 loadtime, here it is: |
| 07:13.07 | ajdlinux | echo -e "import sys; sys.exit()" | time python2.4 |
| 07:13.15 | ajdlinux | 0.01user 0.00system 0:00.04elapsed 42%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k |
| 07:13.15 | ajdlinux | 0inputs+0outputs (0major+667minor)pagefaults 0swaps |
| 07:13.18 | DaLeach | what does python run? google uses it a bit but I mean how many large financial companies for instance use it |
| 07:13.25 | ricky_clarkson | mada: You can, it depends on the software. Crap programmers can write crap programs in any language. |
| 07:13.31 | ajdlinux | DaLeach: not much yet, its growing |
| 07:13.32 | DaLeach | if they start that'd be great but until then.. |
| 07:13.36 | ajdlinux | ricky_clarkson: agreed |
| 07:13.39 | ricky_clarkson | mada: My 233 has 128MB RAM. |
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| 07:13.47 | Jerrik | People use python because it cuts down on dev time drastically. |
| 07:13.52 | DaLeach | i'm just saying the lack of use can explain at least a lot of why its "slower" but again saying that is like.. |
| 07:13.58 | ajdlinux | Jerrik: thats what makes it so good |
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| 07:14.08 | Jerrik | Python as a scripting language is -awesome-. Python as a programming language, not so ;) |
| 07:14.10 | ajdlinux | its a very good language, just maybe a slow interpreter |
| 07:14.14 | ricky_clarkson | Jerrik: Python scales down well, it seems. |
| 07:14.18 | vldmr | ajdlinux: here is ask about setup xorg: "Configuring xserver-xfree86" ? |
| 07:14.18 | mada | ricky_clarkson: i agree ... and a 233MHz would be an even better test machine but i don't have one of those anymore ... |
| 07:14.19 | DaLeach | yeah i agree jerrik |
| 07:14.31 | ajdlinux | vldmr: do you have xorg or xfree86? |
| 07:14.37 | DaLeach | as a scripting lang I think its so much nicer and convenient than perl |
| 07:14.39 | Jerrik | On the flip side. C++ as a scripting language... not so :) |
| 07:14.41 | ajdlinux | it is |
| 07:14.47 | Jerrik | DaLeach: Oh for sure. |
| 07:14.50 | ajdlinux | i know...compilation... |
| 07:14.53 | DaLeach | but if ur good with perl...u prob use perl for a lot of stuff |
| 07:15.05 | ajdlinux | Jerrik: it is easier than perl for first timers |
| 07:15.13 | Jerrik | Perl isn't easy by any means. |
| 07:15.25 | DaLeach | yeah u can't use c++ to script this is what we were sayign b4 ...this isn't rocket science heh |
| 07:15.26 | ajdlinux | pythons easier for beginners |
| 07:15.35 | ricky_clarkson | Perl lets me get so far then it throws a load of $_@% at me. |
| 07:15.41 | mada | i respect the hell out of good perl coders, that shit is cryptic |
| 07:15.45 | maikol | tarzeau: all is well now. made an alias for debian that simply loops back. |
| 07:15.51 | DaLeach | yeah I don't think anyone really *needs* perl...the world could prob drop it and let python take its place...one of the few i have to say ... |
| 07:15.55 | tarzeau | maikol: good |
| 07:15.59 | ajdlinux | mada: this room does have rules, watch your mouth |
| 07:16.06 | vldmr | ajdlinux: I really dont know |
| 07:16.09 | Jerrik | I know people who swear by python |
| 07:16.09 | ricky_clarkson | mada: You'd respect cockneys for the same reasons.. |
| 07:16.15 | tarzeau | DaLeach: i think we can be fine without perl and python |
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| 07:16.20 | Jerrik | Er. Not python. Perl |
| 07:16.21 | Jerrik | *mutter* |
| 07:16.25 | DaLeach | mada writing cryptic code isn't "cool" |
| 07:16.32 | vldmr | ajdlinux: I think its XORG !! |
| 07:16.34 | ajdlinux | vldmr: are you running sarge/stable, or etch/testing or sid/unstable? |
| 07:16.43 | DaLeach | tarzeau what would u use without perl or python |
| 07:17.02 | mada | DaLeach: its not cool, but i respect it ... because i don't do it |
| 07:17.04 | tarzeau | DaLeach: C, shell/sed/awk, objective-c. that's what i use |
| 07:17.06 | Jerrik | Php! Ha! |
| 07:17.16 | Jerrik | Objective-C is neat stuff. |
| 07:17.17 | vldmr | ajdlinux: I installed the Debian cd 1 to PPC |
| 07:17.28 | ajdlinux | which debian cd? can you read the label off for me? |
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| 07:17.37 | mada | vldmr: is it a desktop PPC or a laptop? |
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| 07:17.47 | ajdlinux | it just depends are you running 'stable' or 'testing' or 'unstable'? |
| 07:17.49 | DaLeach | well i'm just saying u shouldn't respect it really because its not good for anything heh |
| 07:17.56 | vldmr | its a PPC G3 |
| 07:18.09 | DaLeach | yeah how is objective-c |
| 07:18.19 | DaLeach | someone sell it to me |
| 07:18.32 | Jerrik | Ya, anyone know how to hack my debian box? I need to login su, and boot up my sshd so I can access my server again. All I have are ftp (that doesn't allow root logins) and access to an uncensored system call |
| 07:18.32 | DaLeach | what's its purpose |
| 07:18.38 | ajdlinux | i've never tried objective c |
| 07:18.50 | mada | vldmr: still not answering my question |
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| 07:19.00 | ajdlinux | i've heard its good but i guess its c-like in syntax |
| 07:19.02 | mada | vldmr: you just told me the processor |
| 07:19.09 | maikol | is there a way to make the file manager open always in the same window |
| 07:19.21 | vldmr | I dont have internet on this machine, then I used the installation CD 1 to install x-window-system |
| 07:19.22 | ajdlinux | maikol: which file manager? |
| 07:19.35 | maikol | nautilus i think |
| 07:19.38 | ajdlinux | vldmr: can you tell me, what is in the file /etc/debian_version? |
| 07:19.40 | netdaemon | wow... |
| 07:19.45 | Jerrik | Impossible? Possible? Anyone? |
| 07:19.55 | netdaemon | i think i'm gonna have to reinstall debian, unless you gents can help me |
| 07:19.58 | maikol | ajdlinux: the one that opens when you double click on a folder |
| 07:20.06 | ajdlinux | in gnome i guess |
| 07:20.11 | ajdlinux | i dont use gnome, i'm a kde fan |
| 07:20.17 | vldmr | ajdlinux: 3.1 |
| 07:20.25 | ajdlinux | ok so xfree86 |
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| 07:20.39 | ajdlinux | vldmr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:20.40 | maikol | so am i, but you gotta try them all |
| 07:20.51 | ajdlinux | your driver is ati i guess but i dont have a mac |
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| 07:22.07 | netdaemon | anyone know of any errors installing linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 that i may have missed? |
| 07:22.13 | mada | yeah, most macs have ati gfx cards until lately, there was 1 line of PowerBooks that had an nvidiaGo card in them |
| 07:22.29 | netdaemon | i tried manually installing earlier with dpkg -i and i got this error from aptitude... |
| 07:22.32 | netdaemon | saying dpk can't configure |
| 07:22.37 | ajdlinux | dpkg |
| 07:22.40 | vldmr | ajdlinux: I have debian configuration openned after use a "apt-get install x-window-system-core" command |
| 07:22.49 | ajdlinux | vldmr: what next? |
| 07:22.50 | DaLeach | wow so...i just got slune |
| 07:22.56 | DaLeach | windowed... |
| 07:23.00 | DaLeach | ? |
| 07:23.04 | ajdlinux | DaLeach: use the settings to make it larger |
| 07:23.06 | vldmr | ajdlinux: ask about video device |
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| 07:23.14 | DaLeach | yeah no i mean that's cool it can do that |
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| 07:23.20 | DaLeach | video cards can do that these days I guess yeah? |
| 07:23.20 | ajdlinux | vldmr: what does it ask? |
| 07:23.27 | ajdlinux | DaLeach: yes |
| 07:23.31 | DaLeach | i have the nvidia 6800 gt |
| 07:23.32 | DaLeach | k |
| 07:23.35 | DaLeach | cool |
| 07:23.46 | vldmr | ajdlinux: "Please enter the video card's bus identifier" |
| 07:23.49 | ajdlinux | DaLeach: you have the nvidia crap installed? |
| 07:24.01 | ajdlinux | vldmr: hmm thats a q that ppc users need to know |
| 07:24.23 | ajdlinux | vldmr: did you read the install manual? that might tell you how to find out |
| 07:24.28 | DaLeach | I thinkkk so I mean I have it show on start up...i've seen some 3d games... and today I just got my 1680x1050 res going (took forever what a mission) |
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| 07:24.49 | DaLeach | but i read some place... i mean i didn't mess with the kernel I don't think if i remember correctly.. but I think i got it all installed |
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| 07:25.17 | Jerrik | Is there anyway I can make a portable 'expect' executable? |
| 07:25.27 | vldmr | ajdlinux: talk about lpci comman |
| 07:25.28 | Jerrik | expect as in the expect scripts. |
| 07:25.32 | vldmr | d |
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| 07:25.48 | binexec | have somebody an idea how i can remove the "Last login:" message after the login? |
| 07:26.45 | vldmr | ajdlinux: a message appear: "Please enter a bus identifier in the proper format" |
| 07:27.15 | Jerrik | binexec: Open /etc/ssh/sshd_config and look for an option called "PrintLastLog" |
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| 07:27.23 | vldmr | "The BusID entered was not in a recognized format" |
| 07:27.30 | formorer | binexec: sure, just remove pam_lastlog in the pam configs |
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| 07:27.48 | vldmr | its horrible |
| 07:27.55 | vldmr | X:) |
| 07:28.07 | binexec | thx |
| 07:28.07 | vldmr | BusID ? |
| 07:28.45 | DaLeach | wow slune may be the strangest game i've ever seen pretty cool i'll have to play it some time |
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| 07:29.30 | icrone | what is the likely casue when a system can only accept kdm login fr newly created users while rejecting old ones? |
| 07:29.34 | binexec | bye |
| 07:29.36 | ajdlinux | vldmr: whats in lspci? |
| 07:29.56 | ajdlinux | DaLeach: there are stranger games |
| 07:30.11 | netdaemon | anyone else have debian on amd64? |
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| 07:33.20 | netdaemon | guess not... |
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| 07:34.34 | vldmr | aff |
| 07:34.43 | vldmr | its horrible |
| 07:34.48 | liable | netdaemon: try #debian-amd64 |
| 07:34.55 | netdaemon | ok |
| 07:35.00 | tarzeau | does any software remove /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/* ? |
| 07:35.06 | icrone | what is the likely casue when a system can only accept kdm login fr newly created users while rejecting old ones? |
| 07:35.06 | DaLeach | is there a way to turn off all these msgs I get when people join rooms or leave? |
| 07:35.09 | vldmr | I need a text editor to console |
| 07:35.23 | vldmr | I need a text editor to console |
| 07:35.28 | tarzeau | vldmr: mcedit |
| 07:35.46 | vldmr | tarzeau: doesnt exist |
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| 07:36.32 | tarzeau | vldmr: apt-get install mc |
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| 07:37.15 | DaLeach | yeah midnight commander is a great tool |
| 07:37.18 | vldmr | ok |
| 07:37.21 | DaLeach | I use it with konqueror |
| 07:37.22 | vldmr | I dont belive |
| 07:37.31 | DaLeach | for my file browswer/term |
| 07:38.18 | vldmr | how I do to do a full cd 1 instalation in a one command ? |
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| 07:38.40 | vldmr | how I do to have a full instalation in unique command ? |
| 07:38.45 | tarzeau | vldmr: don't repeat |
| 07:38.54 | tarzeau | you don't do that. that's not normal, but you can do dpkg -i *.deb |
| 07:41.55 | liable | vldmr: you want to install all of cd1? is that what you are saying? |
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| 07:42.18 | whaq | any nslu users here? to friggin troubleshoot a box that doesn't boot |
| 07:43.12 | vldmr | liable: I like to have a full installation... I dont believe I will do apt-get all night |
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| 07:43.35 | liable | vldmr: type 'tasksel' in a terminal, pick the desktop option |
| 07:43.46 | vldmr | Why debian dont install the CD 1 ???????????????????????? |
| 07:44.26 | streuner | vldmr: i don't get it, what are trying to do? wanna install a lot of apps in one command? |
| 07:44.27 | liable | vldmr: it doesnt install the whole cd, you have to pick the stuff you want to install. and lay off the ?? |
| 07:44.41 | streuner | !ep |
| 07:44.41 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, elipse, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 07:44.49 | liable | streuner: i got the sound working! :) |
| 07:44.55 | streuner | liable: how? |
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| 07:44.58 | vldmr | I like to have Linux installed with X and KDE |
| 07:44.59 | liable | this morning.. |
| 07:45.12 | streuner | vldmr: apt-get install kde x-window-system |
| 07:45.17 | liable | streuner: arecord piped to aplay |
| 07:45.28 | liable | its a kludge, but it works |
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| 07:46.19 | vldmr | I dont believe |
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| 07:46.27 | streuner | why? |
| 07:46.37 | streuner | we have no reasons to lie to you |
| 07:47.24 | vldmr | I will do repetitive apt-get to install debia via cdrom !? |
| 07:47.36 | vldmr | I dont believe |
| 07:47.44 | mada | then try it for yourself |
| 07:48.19 | vldmr | I dont have time to do it |
| 07:48.31 | streuner | vldmr: debian people usually install via internet, not over CD's, so just configure interfaces, done. |
| 07:48.37 | mada | then listen to people trying to help you |
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| 07:48.45 | mada | netinstall for the win |
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| 07:49.24 | vldmr | streuner: then what is the cd debian 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ..... ?????? |
| 07:49.58 | RvGaTe | When i edit /etc/network/interfaces, will it be applied at networking restart? or at reboot? |
| 07:50.01 | streuner | vldmr: all 14 CD's for sarge/stable contain the whole release, so sources and everything |
| 07:50.05 | mada | vldmr: the build of the stable release and all available packages on the rest of the cds |
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| 07:50.34 | streuner | vldmr: you usually don't need them unless you have a very slow i-net connection or you don't have i-net at all |
| 07:50.43 | mada | RvGaTe: technically i think on re-enabling the module driver, but it would probably be easier to reboot |
| 07:51.11 | RvGaTe | mada: is it possible to "test" the config without rebooting? |
| 07:51.26 | vldmr | I dont believe |
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| 07:52.00 | streuner | you could also use 2 DVD's |
| 07:52.05 | vldmr | all distro install packages from install cd !!!! |
| 07:52.11 | mada | RvGaTe: that i don't know for a fact.... actually if you are running gnome, you could open network manager and disable and then re-enable the device |
| 07:52.26 | streuner | vldmr: a genius idea, you will love it :-) |
| 07:52.38 | RvGaTe | mada: running a server, ssh only |
| 07:52.38 | mada | RvGaTe: orrrr, ifconfig <interface> down (as root) and then ifconfig <interface> up (also as root) |
| 07:52.41 | liable | RvGaTe: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 07:52.47 | vldmr | streuner: its not mY computer |
| 07:52.53 | vldmr | its a service |
| 07:53.02 | vldmr | I have time to put it UP |
| 07:53.02 | mada | liable ftw |
| 07:53.05 | RvGaTe | liable: thats hat i did, but it didn't apply the config i saved |
| 07:53.42 | liable | RvGaTe: stop it then start it then, it should.. |
| 07:53.44 | vldmr | I have various other services to do !!!! |
| 07:53.44 | liable | mada: huh? |
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| 07:54.07 | vldmr | I dont believe... cd 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 .... |
| 07:54.08 | liable | vldmr: go do them then, you obviously have a hard time taking advice.. |
| 07:54.16 | mada | liable: "for the win" ... just a figure of speach |
| 07:54.34 | liable | mada: ah! to much football for you :) |
| 07:54.45 | mada | lol |
| 07:54.46 | nix | ftw, doesnt that originate from WoW?:) |
| 07:55.00 | mada | no no no, much older than that ... but it is used on WoW |
| 07:55.14 | mada | ftw has been around since StarCraft days |
| 07:56.13 | liable | vldmr: whats your native language? |
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| 07:56.57 | vldmr | liable portuguese |
| 07:57.08 | liable | !pt |
| 07:57.08 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br (irc.freenode.net) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 07:57.20 | liable | vldmr: try there^^ |
| 07:57.35 | kaiSVK | hi all |
| 07:57.36 | vldmr | ehehehe.. I'm come from there |
| 07:58.03 | vldmr | liable: the channel is silencied |
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| 07:58.50 | vldmr | liable: I'm a slackware user |
| 07:59.28 | liable | vldmr: what exactly do you want to install? |
| 08:00.01 | mada | vldmr: you should install slapt-get and get a glipse at the wonderfulness we experience natively |
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| 08:02.52 | vldmr | i really dont believe |
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| 08:10.08 | ricky_clarkson | Ah buhlieve! |
| 08:11.04 | Stork | ya. |
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| 08:13.09 | vldmr | debian 3.1 is a old version ? |
| 08:13.42 | formorer | no |
| 08:13.42 | streuner | 3.1 is the latest stable release of debian |
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| 08:14.09 | streuner | !sarge |
| 08:14.10 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since slice cheese. |
| 08:14.12 | Stork | 3.1 ftw |
| 08:15.02 | ricky_clarkson | I always thought cheese was better as blocks. |
| 08:15.10 | fek | moin |
| 08:15.16 | liable | i like it grated |
| 08:15.16 | ricky_clarkson | !sarge =~ s/slice/sliced/ |
| 08:15.17 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: OK |
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| 08:15.46 | Stork | ricky_clarkson, finely grated over a nice pasta, |
| 08:16.03 | ricky_clarkson | Only if it's blue cheese. |
| 08:16.08 | Stork | parmesan.. |
| 08:16.12 | ricky_clarkson | Nah. |
| 08:16.13 | vldmr | formorer: then why it use XFree86 ? |
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| 08:16.18 | Stork | anyway i need to do my last set of weights, brb |
| 08:16.20 | ricky_clarkson | quattro formaggi++ |
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| 08:17.10 | streuner | vldmr: you have the possbility to use xorg as well. |
| 08:17.40 | formorer | ricky_clarkson: because xorg wasn't usable when we released sarge last year |
| 08:18.24 | ricky_clarkson | formorer: What? |
| 08:18.39 | formorer | eh, wrong it was for vldmr |
| 08:18.45 | ricky_clarkson | For me, xorg in stable is unusable now. Anyway, I'm not... ah. ;) |
| 08:18.58 | ricky_clarkson | XFree86 is unusable, I mean, in stable. |
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| 08:19.43 | vldmr | ricky_clarkson: xorg or xfree to you ? |
| 08:20.24 | ricky_clarkson | XFree86 is unusable in sarge. xorg is not in sarge. |
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| 08:24.34 | faber3 | hi everybody |
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| 08:25.01 | faber3 | how relyable is the ntfs (rw) support in the stock debian kernels (2.6.15) ? |
| 08:25.59 | blondie | faber3: it's not |
| 08:26.04 | blondie | faber3: (don't use it) |
| 08:26.16 | karsten | faber3: Um. I don't believe there is stock RW NTFS support. You've got two options AFAIR, the 'captive' driver (wrapper around the NT binary driver) and an older unsupported ntfsrw driver. |
| 08:26.36 | karsten | faber3: ... and what blondie said: not particularly well supported in RW mode. |
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| 08:26.58 | Kevin` | there is stock read/write support, but you can only change a file without changing it's length |
| 08:27.00 | karsten | faber3: This stuff changes pretty regularly though, and isn't used too extensively, so YMMV. |
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| 08:27.37 | etchmen | 3.5.3 in etch ,,going well |
| 08:27.48 | Kevin` | the linux-ntfs usermode driver has more extensive read/write support |
| 08:28.57 | Kevin` | http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsmount |
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| 08:30.51 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:30.52 | dpkg | i guess qotd101 is <nvz> abrotman: nope.. just wakin up and seeing Guerin thats all |
| 08:31.12 | streuner | haha |
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| 08:35.55 | unix_infidel | do the nodes in a cluster have to have a keyboard and video card in them or can they operate without them without the BIOS putting out an error? |
| 08:36.11 | unix_infidel | i mean truly headless nodes with normal commercially available hardware. |
| 08:36.28 | servus | Many BIOS have an option not to err on no-keyboard-found. |
| 08:36.37 | Sonderblade | on a default debian sarge install i have a user named "backup" in group "backup" what does it do and where does it come from? |
| 08:36.45 | unix_infidel | servus: well i suppose that leads me to the video card question? |
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| 08:37.08 | RvGaTe | http://pastebin.com/717961 - for some reason it says i didn't have all the variables in the config |
| 08:37.09 | unix_infidel | usually i'd want to run a KVM switch right? |
| 08:37.27 | servus | I don't know of any common motherboards that don't have onboard video but can boot without video. |
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| 08:37.34 | servus | Best just to get one with onboard video. |
| 08:37.41 | faber3 | karsten: well, i installed a stock 2.6.15 and i can mount rw-ntfs |
| 08:37.43 | unix_infidel | but say this isnt the case and not including a pci or agp video card can save me a lot of money. |
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| 08:38.09 | unix_infidel | is it stil possible to have the BIOS not error on boot? |
| 08:38.25 | unix_infidel | how do the economical pro's handle this sorta thing? |
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| 08:39.13 | servus | Onboard video is fairly cheap... I haven't seen any rackmounts without a video output. |
| 08:40.07 | unix_infidel | I'm looking into making a cluster of about 10 old p4 desktops that are lying around. |
| 08:40.24 | unix_infidel | it was just a matter of curiosity. thanks :) |
| 08:42.03 | tarzeau | why can't i `echo -e "ls \\"; echo "-l"` ? |
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| 08:44.41 | servus | tarzeau: Because echo appends a newline, and it's /, not \? Try `echo -e -n "ls /"; echo " -l"` ? |
| 08:44.46 | Gnea | tarzeau: results of a command must be within ` quotes |
| 08:44.53 | Zvpun_ | what are diversions and how can I change them? |
| 08:45.07 | tarzeau | servus: i didn't want the / i just wanted a ls -l |
| 08:45.18 | tarzeau | servus: the \ is to get a new line, and needs be quoted, like \\ |
| 08:45.29 | tarzeau | Gnea: ? |
| 08:45.47 | tarzeau | servus: the output of the command without ` works in the shell |
| 08:45.59 | Gnea | tarzeau: are you wanting to echo the results of ls \\ or is that just something you want to pass onto something else that will execute it? |
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| 08:46.05 | streuner | Zvpun_: you usually don't need to change that, what's the problem? |
| 08:46.09 | servus | No it doesn't. |
| 08:46.23 | Zvpun_ | streuner: dpkg error processing some package |
| 08:46.26 | servus | The output of the command is ls \<CR>-l Where <CR> is a newline. |
| 08:46.28 | tarzeau | Gnea: i generate a command on multiple lines. i want to execute the output of that generation |
| 08:46.33 | tarzeau | Gnea: using `the command` |
| 08:46.44 | servus | Note that \<CR> is a shell construct that doesn't map to any actual commands. |
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| 08:46.51 | tarzeau | Gnea: there's no easy way to generate and run it on one line |
| 08:46.54 | streuner | Zvpun_: use paster bot to paste and show us the error (/msg dpkg paste) |
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| 08:47.06 | tarzeau | servus: try to type. ls \ -l enter |
| 08:47.11 | Zvpun_ | streuner: I purged the package and it said something about dir not empty I checked with dpkg -S and it said that the file in it was a diversion. I deleted the directory. Now I am installing a new version of that package |
| 08:47.28 | servus | tarzeau: I just showed you another way. `echo -e -n "ls "; echo " -l"` |
| 08:47.31 | Zvpun_ | streuner: someone stole my nick I cant msg at the moment |
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| 08:47.44 | streuner | of course you can |
| 08:47.47 | streuner | !paste |
| 08:47.48 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 08:47.52 | tarzeau | servus: the point is it's ONE very long command |
| 08:47.57 | tarzeau | servus: i just took ls -l as an example |
| 08:48.03 | tarzeau | servus: it'll not work the way you showed me |
| 08:48.03 | streuner | just copy and paste into the URL which dpkg gave you |
| 08:48.23 | tarzeau | servus: or maybe yes it will |
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| 08:49.11 | Zvpun_ | streuner: I dont have X at the moment |
| 08:49.36 | Zvpun_ | streuner: it is like everything decided to break down to punish me. |
| 08:49.48 | streuner | Zvpun_: /j #flood |
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| 08:50.02 | Zvpun_ | ok |
| 08:50.13 | Balrok | Hi |
| 08:50.22 | liable | hola |
| 08:50.30 | Balrok | jeje wenas liable |
| 08:50.37 | servus | tarzeau: If worse came to worse, you could output the command (with embedded \<CR>) to a temporary script file, then run that. |
| 08:50.38 | liable | !wenas |
| 08:50.38 | dpkg | [wenas] Spanish term for someone who likes to stuff small rodents and tomatoes up their rectum. |
| 08:50.48 | Balrok | xD |
| 08:50.51 | liable | o_0 |
| 08:51.02 | RvGaTe | http://pastebin.com/717961 - for some reason it says i didn't have all the variables in the config |
| 08:51.04 | Balrok | no ta mal la definicion, sa ido un poco de marras pero gueno |
| 08:51.20 | servus | I saw many poodles wearing tutus this last weekend. They reminded me of that @ "wenas". |
| 08:51.30 | kaiSVK | hi all, does anyone know some good howto for installing ati fglrx driver on etch ? |
| 08:51.32 | tarzeau | servus: that's what i don't want to do |
| 08:51.35 | tarzeau | servus: no other way? |
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| 08:51.44 | servus | tarzeau: Can't strip out newlines? |
| 08:52.05 | servus | What about piping through | tr '\n' ' ' ? |
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| 08:58.10 | blame | how do I disable grub boot screen and enable one way boot only ? |
| 08:58.18 | jelly | tarzeau: sh -c 'multi-line command'? |
| 08:58.50 | nix | blame: change grub timeout to 0 |
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| 08:59.16 | tarzeau | jelly: that'll work? |
| 08:59.30 | tarzeau | jelly: sh -c 'ls \ -l' |
| 08:59.34 | tarzeau | jelly: not likely |
| 08:59.37 | blame | thanks nix |
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| 09:02.00 | Acidz0r | what version of kde does sarge have? |
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| 09:02.59 | jelly | tarzeau: I just tried it. sh -c does expansion. |
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| 09:03.28 | Edgardoweb | wenas |
| 09:03.33 | jelly | tarzeau: I tried ls \<LF> -l though. |
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| 09:13.53 | streuner | dondelelcaro: <streuner> listvals dpkg-divert, <dpkg> exceeded allowed forked count (shm 933625858): Search, Debian, whatever that means.. |
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| 09:19.28 | llama32 | how do i see which processes are using network connections? im on dialup and something is gobbling bandwidth so i can't use MSN or browse the net at a reasonable speed... |
| 09:19.57 | streuner | What's the difference between nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy? |
| 09:20.05 | Maulkin | llama32: iptraf |
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| 09:20.43 | llama32 | thanks |
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| 09:27.47 | RvGaTe | Maulkin: didn't need it, but this iptraf thingy looks good :) |
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| 09:28.27 | Maulkin | RvGaTe: It is :) Especially useful is the LAN monitor for a router/firewall |
| 09:28.46 | voltagex | hi, how can I get courier to forward all messages from voltagex at my debian box to an external account? |
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| 09:28.59 | RvGaTe | poor thing it isn't able to monitor a tap device (for openvpn) |
| 09:29.44 | Maulkin | RvGaTe: That's because the device doesn't really exist |
| 09:30.03 | RvGaTe | Maulkin: so it only goes for physical decives |
| 09:30.09 | Maulkin | Yup |
| 09:30.25 | RvGaTe | shame :( :) |
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| 09:32.55 | RvGaTe | Maulkin: any idea what the flags are? -PA-, etc |
| 09:33.12 | jalsti | hi |
| 09:33.12 | jalsti | when i have a running programm which accepts commands from stdin, is there a possibility to send commands via a script? |
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| 09:34.44 | Maulkin | RvGaTe: Look in /usr/share/doc/iptraf/ |
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| 09:36.10 | horror_vacui | I'm trying to update the kernel on a debian (sarge) machine. Another (very similar) machine worked without a hitch, but this system panics for being "unable to open initial console". Now, wtf? |
| 09:37.07 | horror_vacui | I've been comparing settings between the two for days now, to no avail. I'm also wondering how the device files are managed - I can see no trace of udev being installed or running. |
| 09:37.16 | horror_vacui | The kernel is 2.6.16.16, btw. |
| 09:38.36 | horror_vacui | If I assume a static /dev on sarge (as it appears to be), I really don't get it. /dev/console is there, the bootup works with 2.6.13 |
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| 09:44.12 | horror_vacui | Hm. I believe to remember it being livelier here the last time I was here... |
| 09:44.20 | blondie | I blame OFTC |
| 09:44.22 | blondie | and the time of day |
| 09:44.23 | unstable | same |
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| 09:44.47 | comsa | . |
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| 09:44.55 | blondie | comsa: same to you too |
| 09:44.59 | kimo | Hi, can someone please point what can squidguard do, that plain squid can't ? |
| 09:45.08 | comsa | just checking |
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| 09:47.20 | unstable | kimo: /join #squid |
| 09:47.28 | kimo | ok .. |
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| 09:47.54 | pflanze | Hello. Does anyone know about this?: the w command shows something like 13318days for IDLE in Woody, when someone has logged in but not typed anything yet. |
| 09:48.01 | comsa | anyone using xchat |
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| 09:48.10 | pflanze | comsa: I am |
| 09:48.13 | Ronin | comsa: i bet #xchat does |
| 09:48.21 | comsa | sucks |
| 09:48.41 | azeem | comsa: if you have a specific question, just ask |
| 09:48.46 | pflanze | It might be that the above is the reason that "talk" can't connect before the receiver has typed something. |
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| 09:50.51 | EmxBA | anyone coming to possible debconf7 in sarajevo, bosnia and herzegovina? |
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| 09:53.31 | azeem | EmxBA: that's a bit early to tell. Are you from Sarajevo? |
| 09:54.15 | Maulkin | EmxBA: Bear in mind it may also be in Edinburgh... |
| 09:54.32 | azeem | Maulkin: FUD |
| 09:54.34 | azeem | ;) |
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| 09:54.51 | EmxBA | Maulkin: yes, I live in Sarajevo |
| 09:54.52 | shaibn | hi :) does anyone know how to re-create the files list from a backup tape? |
| 09:54.56 | azeem | EmxBA: cool |
| 09:55.00 | EmxBA | Emx is my nick, BA stands for Bosnia |
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| 09:55.06 | azeem | EmxBA: did you get in contact with the debconf organizers? |
| 09:55.21 | Maulkin | azeem: Yeah, Emx found us :) |
| 09:55.23 | EmxBA | yes |
| 09:55.30 | azeem | okie |
| 09:55.31 | EmxBA | they are coming here next week |
| 09:55.35 | EmxBA | :) |
| 09:55.38 | azeem | yeah, I heard |
| 09:55.43 | EmxBA | i hope we'll win |
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| 09:55.44 | Maulkin | Well, some of us anyway. |
| 09:56.04 | EmxBA | and you? suppose that you are not living in edinburgh :) |
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| 09:56.45 | Maulkin | EmxBA: Nope, I'm in Sheffield. It's a shame I can't make it to .ba, I'd have liked to come, but I've got a conference I'm giving a talk at |
| 09:57.00 | Maulkin | EmxBA: However, this is off topic on this channel, lets move it over ---> :) |
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| 09:57.18 | azeem | well, the question stands |
| 09:57.19 | comsa | azeem have go at them |
| 09:57.19 | EmxBA | .) |
| 09:57.22 | azeem | 11:43 < EmxBA> anyone coming to possible debconf7 in sarajevo, bosnia and herzegovina? |
| 09:57.27 | EmxBA | :) |
| 09:57.42 | EmxBA | you can't make it to .ba? Maulkin :) |
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| 09:59.39 | larsdbj | does anyone know when "sid" the next release is coming out? "stable.." |
| 09:59.59 | blondie | larsdbj: sid isn't the next release, etch is |
| 10:00.09 | larsdbj | ohyeah sorry :P etch indeed |
| 10:00.10 | blondie | and it'll come out when it's ready :P |
| 10:00.18 | formorer | approx. in december |
| 10:00.26 | larsdbj | :) hopefully... |
| 10:01.01 | Eulex | sid is always unstable, it will never be released |
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| 10:03.24 | fireba11 | anyone ever tried to run VMware Server under 64-bit debian ?? |
| 10:03.34 | tenzing_ | i want to install SDL but i cant get the package name correct using apt-get .... whats the actual name |
| 10:04.08 | pflanze | tenzing_: apt-cache search --names-only sdl |
| 10:04.24 | HelmutG | formorer: december? they've not started freezing yet, so december seems a bit early. |
| 10:04.39 | formorer | HelmutG: no, its the offical date and we are still in time |
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| 10:04.56 | HelmutG | formorer: I'd bet against that. *scnr* |
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| 10:05.24 | HelmutG | formorer: amd64 is to be included in this release, right? |
| 10:05.29 | formorer | yes |
| 10:05.37 | nick01 | will they freeze etch with the current gcc ? |
| 10:05.48 | HelmutG | formorer: Fixing all the bugs /will/ take some time. |
| 10:06.01 | Eulex | nick01, no, at least 4.1.1 will come into it |
| 10:06.12 | nick01 | yay ! |
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| 10:06.18 | tenzing_ | pflanze, it is giving lots of output ... which name shud i use |
| 10:06.19 | Eulex | HelmutG, rc-bugfixing has already starting, they're already down at ~270 |
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| 10:06.59 | HelmutG | Eulex: ok. seems strange to me, because many programs on my system segfault frequently (too frequently for my taste). |
| 10:07.06 | pflanze | tenzing_: the one you need :~) (apt-cache show some_packagename will show details; maybe you want to try aptitude instead) |
| 10:07.23 | HelmutG | Eulex: but yes, siege got fixed recently. |
| 10:07.29 | tenzing_ | pflanze, thanks ... i got it |
| 10:07.55 | Eulex | HelmutG, hmm, what programs do you use? |
| 10:07.59 | Eulex | btw: |
| 10:08.02 | HelmutG | Eulex: web server benchmark |
| 10:08.03 | Eulex | !etch pool |
| 10:08.04 | dpkg | i heard etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 10:08.16 | Eulex | if you want to bet :) |
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| 10:08.58 | Sonderblade | why is localedef so slow? It takes like 30 seconds to generate a locale |
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| 10:09.20 | HelmutG | Eulex: thanks. :-) |
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| 10:10.50 | jez | I'm trying to use a SCSI tape drive from linux; what's its device name likely to be? /dev/sd? |
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| 10:12.16 | PZico | hi! is it normal that dd if=/mnt/usb/debian.iso of=/dev/hdc5 takes many minutes (and still going on) ? |
| 10:12.27 | tarzeau | PZico: yes |
| 10:12.31 | PZico | thanks |
| 10:12.57 | tarzeau | PZico: depends on the size of debian.iso and you really want bs=1m or something like that for your dd command |
| 10:13.55 | PZico | well, I can wait if it's just normal.. |
| 10:14.45 | PZico | I'm not very familiar with linux commands, trying to set up image from usb to one partition |
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| 10:15.34 | PZico | I found that command from some instructions |
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| 10:18.42 | MoDaX | PZico: cancel that command and run it again with parameter bs=1m |
| 10:18.50 | maxweber | hello, do i get it right that debian package firefox is in state 1.5.0.3, while upstream version is 1.5.0.4 (security fix) and that this fix or security announcement is not filed in bugs.debian.org? |
| 10:19.29 | unstable | maxweber: What version of debian are you using? |
| 10:19.37 | MoDaX | PZico: bs by default is 512 bytes, iirc, which is very inefficient for large amounts of data |
| 10:19.55 | RvGaTe | http://pastebin.com/717961 - for some reason it says i didn't have all the variables in the config when i do ifup tap0 |
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| 10:20.26 | Eulex | maxweber, 1.5.0.3 is in testing, 1.5.0.4 is in unstable. 1.0.4 is in stable -- only stable has guaranteed security fixes |
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| 10:21.26 | unstable | maxweber: Can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list file on pastebin or #flood? |
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| 10:21.33 | unstable | !tell maxweber about paste |
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| 10:23.35 | maxweber | ok, i see. version=etch. # |
| 10:23.53 | maxweber | ok, i see. version=etch. http://pastebin.com/718068 |
| 10:24.52 | unstable | maxweber: You _only_ have security sources line in your sources.list; you don't have an etch main line. |
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| 10:26.42 | maxweber | unstable: let me check how to add that one |
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| 10:27.36 | PZico | I can't get this command done on grub |
| 10:27.38 | PZico | root=/dev/rd/0 rw -- |
| 10:27.51 | PZico | it says Unregocnized device string |
| 10:27.55 | Gnea | PZico: it's not right. |
| 10:28.10 | PZico | I started by writing root (hd2,0) |
| 10:28.22 | PZico | sorry root (hd1,0) |
| 10:28.27 | Gnea | ok |
| 10:28.28 | unstable | maxweber: echo "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main" > /etc/apt/sources.list; echo "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; |
| 10:28.35 | unstable | maxweber: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:28.38 | PZico | then kernel /vmlinuz.... |
| 10:28.46 | Maulkin | Firefox should be going into to testing soon(tm) |
| 10:28.59 | Gnea | PZico: you didn't RTFM then. |
| 10:29.03 | unstable | !tell maxweber why is firefox not in testing |
| 10:29.07 | PZico | and according to instructions that root=/dev/... was supposed to come next |
| 10:29.37 | Gnea | PZico: what 'instructions'? |
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| 10:31.09 | horror_vacui | What kind of /dev does sarge use - static? |
| 10:31.12 | PZico | I'm using instructions to boot minimum system with type 83 |
| 10:31.22 | Gnea | horror_vacui: depends on the kernel |
| 10:31.29 | maxweber | unstable: i know a bit of different debian branches policy, i was just thinking that etch also has guaranteed security fixes, or that at least security fix packages can move from unstable to testing in one day (granted there are no other serious issues) |
| 10:31.35 | Gnea | PZico: where do you read these instructions? |
| 10:31.44 | horror_vacui | Gnea: 2.6.16.16 (off kernel.org) |
| 10:31.44 | PZico | I have a book |
| 10:31.53 | Gnea | PZico: what book? |
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| 10:32.12 | PZico | this is in finnish language, some kind of linux for newbies book |
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| 10:32.26 | horror_vacui | Gnea: But I mean rather: what it's configured to use per default - with the 2.6.8 (I believe) standard kernel. |
| 10:32.35 | Gnea | horror_vacui: well if you configured it to use udev, then it'll use it, but you'll need an updated udev from backports, at which point you might as well use the backported 2.6.16 source. |
| 10:32.44 | Gnea | !udev |
| 10:32.44 | dpkg | methinks udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 10:32.58 | unstable | maxweber: etch doesn't guarantee anything until it is actually released. |
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| 10:33.12 | Gnea | PZico: it sounds ... wrong. apt-get install pinfo && pinfo grub |
| 10:33.13 | tenzing_ | how can i install the latest SDL from etch using apt-get |
| 10:33.14 | unstable | maxweber: It does provide security updates, but they are slower then sarge and unstable. |
| 10:33.23 | Gnea | PZico: read the Instructions for booting natively |
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| 10:33.35 | mitja | Where can I change selection to XFree86 instead of Xorg? |
| 10:33.42 | unstable | tenzing_: What ar eyou trying to do? |
| 10:33.56 | PZico | Gnea: that computer doesn't have internet, I moved iso on it using hd from other computer |
| 10:33.57 | maxweber | unstable: ok, updating now, thanks for your help |
| 10:34.06 | PZico | and I did preparations with floppy linux |
| 10:34.16 | PZico | now I booted to grub first time |
| 10:34.18 | unstable | !tell maxweber about docs |
| 10:34.19 | Gnea | PZico: surely you can install pinfo on another computer? |
| 10:34.22 | Eulex | maxweber, there is an etch security team that releases security fixes for etch occasionally, though. but it's not in any way guaranteed |
| 10:34.22 | horror_vacui | Gnea: I haven't configured it for udev, which is funny... Since 2.6.13 works, and 2.6.16.16 panics for being "unable to open initial console" - which should be /dev/console, and shouldn't change between kernels with a static /dev |
| 10:34.32 | Gnea | !grub |
| 10:34.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
| 10:34.35 | unstable | maxweber: /usr/share/doc/firefox; this directory has a changelog, and it will talk about changes, ie security fixes |
| 10:34.45 | unstable | maxweber: So you can look up specifically what is updated and what is not. |
| 10:34.57 | tenzing_ | unstable, am trying to compile a small game and it wont move foreward saying SDL - version >= 1.2.4 .. no |
| 10:35.01 | Gnea | PZico: try those urls that dpkg just stated |
| 10:35.10 | unstable | !tell tenzing_ about sdl |
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| 10:35.28 | Maulkin | More precicely, security fixes for testing only get released when a package with a fix isn't getting through to testing on it's own. |
| 10:35.31 | Gnea | horror_vacui: your best bet is to ditch that vanilla kernel and use backports |
| 10:35.33 | Gnea | !backports |
| 10:35.33 | dpkg | [backports] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 10:35.38 | unstable | tenzing_: What version of debian? |
| 10:35.47 | Eulex | tenzing_, get libsdl1.2-dev |
| 10:36.22 | Eulex | tenzing_, usually, you'll need -dev packages of what the thing you're trying to compile is depending on |
| 10:36.34 | tenzing_ | unstable, am using a modified version of debian |
| 10:36.41 | tenzing_ | Eulex, ok |
| 10:36.46 | Eulex | !why is firefox not in testing |
| 10:36.47 | dpkg | firefox is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=firefox |
| 10:36.54 | horror_vacui | Gnea: Could be... But other servers (also sarge, some with identical hardware) work with the vanilla kernel... And I'd like to keep them all consistant. |
| 10:37.08 | unstable | !tell tenzing_ about apt-cache |
| 10:37.10 | mitja | Anyone? |
| 10:37.13 | tenzing_ | Eulex, is dpkg a bot |
| 10:37.26 | mitja | Where can I select default desktop server' |
| 10:37.28 | mitja | ? |
| 10:37.28 | Eulex | maxweber, the url above will list the reasons firefox 1.5.0.4 is not in testing |
| 10:37.33 | unstable | tenzing_: You can search for packaging with apt-cache, ie apt-cache search libsdl; would find you "libsdl1.2-dev" |
| 10:37.44 | Eulex | tenzing_, I know |
| 10:37.44 | unstable | mitja: What is a desktop server? |
| 10:37.48 | mitja | display even |
| 10:37.49 | tenzing_ | unstable, ok .. thanks |
| 10:37.51 | FlufEBuny | you tell me ;) |
| 10:37.57 | Gnea | horror_vacui: consistantly broken? okay, that's your dime then. |
| 10:38.06 | tenzing_ | Eulex, is dpkg a bot? |
| 10:38.07 | mitja | unstable: I want to select xfree86, where do I do that? |
| 10:38.09 | maxweber | Eulex: i often use that db, but thanks ;-) |
| 10:38.12 | unstable | Eulex: He got that already. |
| 10:38.23 | unstable | !tell tenzing_ about bot |
| 10:38.23 | horror_vacui | Gnea: No, they consistantly all work, but for the one machine. |
| 10:38.35 | unstable | mitja: What version of debian are you using? |
| 10:38.41 | mitja | unstable: etch |
| 10:38.44 | Eulex | tenzing_, ah, yes. thought you told me that dpkg is a bot :) |
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| 10:38.51 | Eulex | maxweber & unstable, ah |
| 10:39.00 | PZico | these are my instructions: root (hd0,0) then kernel /vmlinuz append vga=normal initrd=/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=16384 then root=/dev/rd/0 rw -- then initrd /initrd.gz then boot |
| 10:39.00 | Gnea | horror_vacui: you're basically using a non-debian method to work with various debian systems, now you've run across a system using that same method and it's failing. |
| 10:39.14 | unstable | mitja: Why do you want xfree86 over xorg? |
| 10:39.19 | tenzing_ | Eulex, its ok ... :) how can i make use of it .. |
| 10:39.20 | unstable | mitja: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 10:39.23 | unstable | !tell mitja about ask |
| 10:39.28 | PZico | everything goes right until root= command |
| 10:39.33 | unstable | tenzing_: /msg dpkg help; |
| 10:39.41 | unstable | !tell tenzing_ about msgdpkg |
| 10:39.42 | Gnea | PZico: you didn't read it right.. read this: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622 |
| 10:39.55 | PZico | thanks, i check it up |
| 10:39.56 | Gnea | PZico: the kernel command goes in the config file |
| 10:40.03 | mitja | unstable: can you just tell me which file selects it? |
| 10:40.12 | maxweber | Eulex: hmm, what you mean? i dont use unstable? |
| 10:40.17 | maxweber | Eulex: hmm, what you mean? i dont use unstable. |
| 10:40.18 | horror_vacui | Gnea: ....yyyyess, that's a good summary of the situation. So? |
| 10:40.38 | Gnea | horror_vacui: so, the help you'll find here is the debian way of doing it. |
| 10:40.42 | unstable | maxweber: He was directing his message to me(unstable) and you(maxweber), not implying you use unstable. |
| 10:41.09 | unstable | mitja: Try apt-get install xserver-xfree86; but since you're using testing I don't know if it will work anymore. |
| 10:41.13 | unstable | !tell mitja about testing |
| 10:41.16 | maxweber | unstable: got it :-) |
| 10:41.23 | tenzing_ | unstable, Eulex , apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev gave me a list of dependencies and said they will not be installed |
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| 10:41.41 | r3m | Hi |
| 10:41.46 | r3m | ravenbird |
| 10:41.53 | unstable | tenzing_: Put "dpkg -al|grep -v ^ii" on paste |
| 10:41.54 | unstable | !tell tenzing_ about paste |
| 10:42.03 | unstable | !greet r3m |
| 10:42.04 | dpkg | Gr33tz, r3m |
| 10:42.23 | tenzing_ | unstable, Eulex , says "E: broken packages" how do i fix it |
| 10:42.24 | r3m | what? |
| 10:42.35 | Eulex | tenzing_, paste the whole output of that command |
| 10:42.36 | r3m | why you do this |
| 10:43.05 | tenzing_ | Reading package lists... Done |
| 10:43.05 | tenzing_ | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 10:43.05 | tenzing_ | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 10:43.05 | tenzing_ | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 10:43.05 | tenzing_ | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 10:43.05 | tenzing_ | or been moved out of Incoming. |
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| 10:43.06 | horror_vacui | Gnea: So you're insinuating I shouldn't be asking this here? Well, where else, on #FreeBSD perchance? I'm of course hoping someone had the same or a similar problem, and I'm trying to figure out why this is happening, that's all. |
| 10:43.06 | RvGaTe | where can i setup my proxies ? |
| 10:43.06 | unstable | lol |
| 10:43.12 | Eulex | umh, that's not what I meant... |
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| 10:43.26 | unstable | !tell RvGaTe about ask |
| 10:43.30 | unstable | RvGaTe: What are you trying to do?!? |
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| 10:43.36 | unstable | !tell tenzing_ about paste |
| 10:43.39 | unstable | tenzing_: listen to dpkg |
| 10:43.53 | Gnea | horror_vacui: you'll get better results and a more detailed diagnosis if you use backports to install and compile linux-source-2.6.16 in sarge from there - it's going to prefer udev over a static /dev and the backports support it. the vanilla tree isn't in-line. |
| 10:43.54 | r3m | How to keep the hours of my system always to the good hours, after an undefined moment i loose minutes |
| 10:44.05 | unstable | !tell r3m about ntp |
| 10:44.17 | RvGaTe | unstable: well, this damn small buisness server 2003 (w*ndows) doesn't allow me to go on the internet without using its proxy |
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| 10:44.39 | r3m | how to set up a crontab |
| 10:44.48 | RvGaTe | unstable: so i'm unable to download updates |
| 10:44.55 | ft | r3m: man 5 crontab |
| 10:45.05 | unstable | RvGaTe: So setup each application that wants to connect to the internet with that proxy information. ie in firefox you would go to edit/preferences/connection settings |
| 10:45.10 | tenzing_ | unstable, am i to paste in #flood |
| 10:45.26 | unstable | RvGaTe: /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 10:45.29 | unstable | tenzing_: ok go |
| 10:45.35 | unstable | r3m: Are you using gnome? |
| 10:45.36 | RvGaTe | unstable: its a server, no gui, no user apps |
| 10:45.50 | unstable | RvGaTe: I understand. |
| 10:46.14 | unstable | !tell RvGaTe about apt.conf |
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| 10:47.07 | r3m | unstable i have kde but i dont use graphical, i run my IRC services on a slow machine so i need all the power |
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| 10:50.55 | OleMoudi | localhost kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
| 10:51.06 | OleMoudi | i just got that in a root console |
| 10:51.13 | Rebecca | cool :D |
| 10:51.27 | OleMoudi | how can I check the current cpu temp ? |
| 10:51.28 | Rebecca | so.. what's the threshold? |
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| 10:52.06 | Eulex | OleMoudi, acpi -V |
| 10:52.22 | Eulex | (usually) |
| 10:52.51 | unstable | !tell tenzing_ about testing security |
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| 11:08.54 | ChrisW | other than high CPU and loads of memory usage, what could cause a laod average on a box to rise? |
| 11:08.59 | Mitja | unstable, sorry, I see now Xorg is used for etch |
| 11:09.42 | jelly | ChrisW: I/O. |
| 11:09.43 | Eulex | ChrisW, lots of hdd usage? |
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| 11:11.11 | ChrisW | jelly/eulex: how could I check that and figure otu what's causing it? |
| 11:11.14 | unstable | Mitja: That is fine; Mitja # apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install xorg x-window-syste-core;; |
| 11:11.15 | d4d0 | hi all can somebody tell me which package contains the perl module "IP::Country" ? |
| 11:11.28 | unstable | !tell d4d0 about apt-cache |
| 11:11.42 | d4d0 | i know how to search my friend |
| 11:11.48 | qwertydvorak | hi. i'm trying to set up a sata hard disk (in an enclosure) on debian. it shows up in dmesg as /dev/sda, but it doesn't show up when i do fdisk -l, so i can't format it. any ideas? |
| 11:12.02 | unstable | d4d0: apt-cache search perl country |
| 11:12.27 | Eulex | ChrisW, top |
| 11:12.47 | jelly | ChrisW: for starters, "vmstat 1" and constantly non-zero b column will confirm the are processes blocked for IO. |
| 11:13.33 | ChrisW | Eulex: top doesnt' seem to show io load |
| 11:13.38 | jelly | unfortunately linux doesn't have very good tools to detect I/O. |
| 11:14.07 | Eulex | ChrisW, oh, true |
| 11:14.12 | ChrisW | jelly: the b column in it has a 1 ion it about 50/60% of the time |
| 11:14.21 | ChrisW | what does that mean? |
| 11:14.30 | ChrisW | (1 process blocked on io?) |
| 11:14.46 | ChrisW | if so, how can I find out what it is, what sort of io, etc... |
| 11:15.06 | Mitja | unstable, I've tried many ways but still can't get sound working. I'm running out of ideas here. Do you have any good links/guides? |
| 11:15.24 | jelly | ChrisW: it's not I/O then. |
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| 11:15.33 | jelly | ChrisW: ... yes. |
| 11:16.15 | ChrisW | weird, what could it be then? |
| 11:16.47 | ChrisW | mem is prob about 40% used |
| 11:16.57 | ChrisW | cpu is about 60% idle |
| 11:17.06 | RvGaTe | How do i set/view envirement vars ? |
| 11:17.07 | ChrisW | ... wtf?! |
| 11:17.11 | jelly | ChrisW: do you have swapping? (vmstat also) |
| 11:17.21 | d4d0 | RvGaTe: env |
| 11:17.21 | ChrisW | RvGaTe: export YOURVAR=yourvalue |
| 11:17.39 | ChrisW | jelly: doubt it, what column do I look at? |
| 11:17.46 | jelly | ChrisW: ... swap ;-) |
| 11:18.01 | jelly | ChrisW: si and so. |
| 11:18.01 | ChrisW | RvGaTe: just type "set" to see what you have |
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| 11:18.11 | ChrisW | jelly: showing big fat zeros in both columns... |
| 11:18.48 | ChrisW | what's bi in the io group of columns? |
| 11:18.51 | jelly | ChrisW: how much idle time? |
| 11:19.13 | jelly | ChrisW: block input (i/o). reading from disk or tape. |
| 11:19.20 | ChrisW | id column in cpu is usually between 50 and 90 |
| 11:19.38 | jelly | ChrisW: any wa(it)? |
| 11:19.44 | ChrisW | 0 |
| 11:20.00 | jelly | ChrisW: sounds like a reasonably idle machine. |
| 11:20.15 | ChrisW | yeah, except the website on their is slooooowwwww to respond |
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| 11:20.25 | jelly | ChrisW: what's the actual load avg value that got you worried? |
| 11:20.35 | ChrisW | it's an app server rather than static site but trying to figure out why it's gone dog slow |
| 11:20.57 | ChrisW | from top: |
| 11:20.58 | ChrisW | load average: 1.43, 1.49, 1.45 |
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| 11:21.15 | ChrisW | and the fact that the site hosted o nthere is unbelievably fuck,ing slow... |
| 11:21.47 | jelly | ChrisW: how many cpus? |
| 11:21.57 | ChrisW | just the one i think |
| 11:22.23 | ChrisW | how'd I check? |
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| 11:22.40 | jelly | ChrisW: look in /proc/cpuinfo to confirm, |
| 11:23.01 | shaibn | hi :) I have a process that is in a D+ status and I can't seem to be able to kill it... |
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| 11:23.06 | shaibn | any ideas? |
| 11:23.56 | jelly | ChrisW: loadavg about 1 is not bad. 5-10 or more means something could be wrong or that you need a bigger box. |
| 11:24.54 | RvGaTe | Does anyone has experience with a debian testing server sitting behind a w*ndows sbs2003 authed proxy server? im unable to download updates becouse of this... and i have no idea how to auth on the proxy |
| 11:25.19 | jelly | ChrisW: you have 1.00 for each cpu, so if you have loadavg < 2 on a dual or multithreading machine, it means it's actually idling somewhat. |
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| 11:25.32 | ram_einstein | what's the module to do oss emulation on alsa called? |
| 11:25.36 | ram_einstein | I need to load it |
| 11:26.03 | Anders | alsa-oss? |
| 11:26.05 | jelly | ram_einstein: snd-pcm-oss, snd-mixer-oss |
| 11:26.14 | ram_einstein | jelly: yes, that's it. Thanks |
| 11:26.18 | ram_einstein | Anders: sorry, no |
| 11:26.21 | Anders | oh |
| 11:26.25 | Anders | I thought about the package |
| 11:26.38 | ram_einstein | np |
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| 11:29.08 | jelly | ChrisW: load between 1-2 just means something's using the machine. It's no cause for worrying by itself. Your web application might be waiting for something else, eg. results from the database. |
| 11:29.51 | Kevin` | when an application is waiting it shouldn't be using cpu time.. |
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| 11:31.24 | ChrisW | jelly: mmm, welll, it's totally slow |
| 11:31.31 | ChrisW | try www.screendigest.com |
| 11:31.46 | ChrisW | bizaree, seemms ot have picked up |
| 11:32.17 | jelly | ChrisW: is it running on a db backend? Maybe your database is slow. |
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| 11:38.09 | ChrisW | mmm, not so simple... |
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| 11:38.19 | jelly | ChrisW: you can try attacking the web with some benchmark tool and see how it copes when there are more requests/sec. |
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| 11:44.34 | Mitja | I tried everything I could get my hands on to enable sound (etch), but to no avail. Can anyone suggest a solution or what should I do to make it work? |
| 11:45.37 | nick01 | yes |
| 11:45.51 | nick01 | mith: add yourself to the audio group |
| 11:45.54 | nick01 | Mitja: |
| 11:46.19 | Mitja | The user `mitja' is already a member of `audio'. |
| 11:46.56 | nick01 | dunno then |
| 11:47.21 | nick01 | that fixed my sound problem in etch |
| 11:47.21 | azeem | Mitja: did you logout/login since adding mitja? |
| 11:47.27 | Mitja | azeem, many times |
| 11:47.45 | itchi | Mitja: Alsa or OSS? |
| 11:47.49 | Mitja | alsa |
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| 11:47.59 | Mitja | It also says cannot open device /dev/dsp |
| 11:48.22 | itchi | Mitja: Have you follow the '/msg dpkg alsa-checklist'? |
| 11:48.27 | nick01 | Mitja: standard kernel or u compiled your own ? |
| 11:48.45 | Mitja | nick01, standard, 686 |
| 11:48.48 | nick01 | k |
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| 11:50.14 | itchi | Mitja: Point 7) work it to you? |
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| 11:50.51 | itchi | !alsa-checklist |
| 11:50.51 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 11:51.08 | Mitja | itchi, it doesn't |
| 11:51.31 | itchi | Mitja: So, have you been follow each step of it ^^ ? |
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| 11:51.57 | itchi | Mitja: Say if you fail on a point |
| 11:52.15 | nXOR | hello ladies and gentleman, would you be kind enough to tell me sources.list entry for java packages ? |
| 11:52.20 | antgel | here's an oddity. i can access http://bugzilla.mozilla.org via elinks on my etch workstation. however firefox hangs, even with images off, so i don't think it's a pmtud issue. would appreciate any guidance on debugging this |
| 11:52.21 | ukasz | hi |
| 11:52.36 | nXOR | because im to lazy to fakeroot and things like that |
| 11:52.52 | ukasz | do you know do i have to mark outgoing packets from users in lan that htb will work fine |
| 11:52.55 | ukasz | i have imq |
| 11:52.56 | antgel | !tell nXOR about topic |
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| 11:53.00 | azeem | nXOR: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 11:53.16 | itchi | nXOR: 'non-free' or 'marillat' i not remember in wich of both :-/ |
| 11:54.55 | Myon | dpkg: tell nXOR about install java |
| 11:54.59 | Myon | dpkg: tell nXOR about blackdown |
| 11:55.04 | Myon | nXOR: choose one |
| 11:57.52 | Mitja | itchi, stops on point 1): no legacy drivers are available |
| 11:58.28 | itchi | Mitja: I guess you module (driver) are not loaded. What brand an model of card? |
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| 11:58.41 | Mitja | AC'97 |
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| 11:59.29 | itchi | Mitja: I give you an tip, in awaiting i look for ^^. Install 'modconf' an tool to (un)select modules to load at boot time |
| 12:00.05 | Mitja | also nVIDIA CK804 Realtek ACL655 |
| 12:00.12 | nXOR | ty peeps, you have been of utmost help |
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| 12:00.55 | itchi | Mitja: 'modconf' installed?? So select in that app 'kernel/sound/pci/ac97' |
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| 12:01.45 | Mitja | itchi, modconf, there is no /kernel/sound however |
| 12:01.45 | Eulex | Mitja, ac97 is just the audio codec; you need a driver for the actual soundcard too |
| 12:01.58 | itchi | Mitja: Go bellow |
| 12:02.04 | Mitja | I went below |
| 12:02.08 | itchi | Mitja: It's near the end of the list |
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| 12:02.29 | Mitja | It ends with nvidia |
| 12:02.44 | itchi | Mitja: As root user? |
| 12:02.52 | Mitja | The latest is /kernel/security |
| 12:03.03 | Mitja | yes, as # |
| 12:03.08 | Eulex | Mitja, what kernel have you got? are you using alsa or oss? |
| 12:03.14 | itchi | Mitja: The last here 'updates/alsa/pcmcia/vx' |
| 12:03.23 | itchi | Mitja: You're running Sarge, right? |
| 12:03.27 | Mitja | Etch |
| 12:03.35 | Eulex | Mitja, uname -ar |
| 12:03.55 | Mitja | Linux mitja 2.6.15-1-686 #2 Mon Mar 6 15:27:08 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:04.00 | itchi | Eulex: Normally he use alsa, he have tell |
| 12:04.32 | Eulex | Mitja, try running alsaconf |
| 12:04.39 | Eulex | (as root) |
| 12:04.54 | Mitja | Eulex, read above |
| 12:05.00 | itchi | Eulex: Mitja itchi, stops on point 1): no legacy drivers are available |
| 12:05.18 | Mitja | Also no modules to unload at first |
| 12:05.19 | itchi | Eulex: 3 minutes ago :-/ |
| 12:05.23 | Eulex | oh |
| 12:05.57 | itchi | Mitja: I power on the laptop. It take 7 minutes. Old thing :-/ |
| 12:06.24 | Eulex | Mitja, have you checked alsa-project.org to see if your sound card is supported? |
| 12:06.48 | Mitja | It is, because it all worked on Ubuntu out of the box. |
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| 12:07.23 | itchi | Eulex: I think the AC97 is supported, not sure. I have it one of my computers, but which |
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| 12:07.55 | itchi | Mitja: You have an little trouble with the module (driver) that are not loaded. Not catastrophic |
| 12:08.00 | Eulex | itchi, again, that has almost nothing to do with the issue, as ac97 is just a codec, while he needs a driver for his full chipset. |
| 12:08.07 | Eulex | Mitja, http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Nvidia&card=.&chip=nForce&module=intel8x0 |
| 12:08.19 | Eulex | Mitja, try modprobing snd-intel8x0 |
| 12:08.45 | Mitja | not found |
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| 12:09.07 | itchi | Eulex: Yeah, right :-p |
| 12:09.24 | itchi | Mitja: 'lspci' |
| 12:09.38 | Eulex | Mitja, what was the exact error? |
| 12:10.01 | Mitja | FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 not found. |
| 12:10.02 | Mitja | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_intel8x0 |
| 12:10.36 | itchi | Mitja: Give some informations of you hardware. 'lspci' |
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| 12:10.50 | Mitja | itchi, http://rafb.net/paste/results/YV0LzO11.html |
| 12:11.29 | Eulex | Mitja, hmm, does /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko exist? |
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| 12:12.20 | Mitja | Eulex, /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/sound/pci/: No such file or directory |
| 12:12.59 | Eulex | Mitja, wow, that's strange |
| 12:13.43 | Eulex | Mitja, what does apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 say? |
| 12:13.57 | Mitja | ah, sorry, I deleted that dir because I wanted to start all over again |
| 12:14.04 | Mitja | Had done this numerous times |
| 12:14.38 | Mitja | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.38 | Mitja | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.38 | Mitja | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.38 | Mitja | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:14.46 | itchi | Mitja: How, so you deleted that ... Which one you have deleted?? |
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| 12:14.53 | Mitja | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.55 | Mitja | sorry |
| 12:15.03 | Eulex | Mitja, umh, why did you do that? apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 12:15.44 | Eulex | Mitja, please don't /msg me |
| 12:15.48 | Mitja | Eulex, ok |
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| 12:16.49 | Mitja | Eulex, snd-intel8x0.ko exists now |
| 12:16.51 | Eulex | Mitja, when you're done reinstalling it, make sure that the directory exists again, then run alsaconf. if that doesn't work, try modprobing snd-intel8x0. |
| 12:17.10 | Eulex | ok |
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| 12:18.02 | Mitja | It looks like it's working now |
| 12:18.17 | Eulex | :) |
| 12:18.29 | itchi | Mitja: ;-) Next, time pay attention on what you delete :-/ It could be fatal |
| 12:18.51 | Eulex | yeah, don't just delete stuff if you haven't got a really good reason to do it |
| 12:19.16 | Mitja | Yes, but I had that kernel sound dir previously and alsaconf wasn't doing things anything that near it was doing now. |
| 12:19.57 | Eulex | Mitja, hmm, ok. hard to say now what was causing it to not work. |
| 12:20.03 | Mitja | Thank you very much :))) |
| 12:20.05 | itchi | Mitja: Bwa, it's solved, and that's the importantest one ;-) Give some beer to Eulex :-) |
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| 12:20.16 | Eulex | Mitja, yw :) |
| 12:20.37 | unstable | !beer Eulex |
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| 12:20.51 | Eulex | :D |
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| 12:21.20 | matju | hi. i'm running debian-stable x86_64. what do i need to do to get some 32-bit compatibility? (i need a 32-bit ld-linux.so) |
| 12:21.20 | novata_peleona | hi....all |
| 12:21.26 | unstable | !greet novata_peleona |
| 12:21.27 | dpkg | Moo, novata_peleona |
| 12:22.29 | formorer | matju: chroot |
| 12:23.10 | novata_peleona | i am installing debian (netinstall) in a new pc( nvidia drivers) and installer says no hw network found. Any help |
| 12:23.21 | itchi | Mitja: In 'modconf', you get many more things now? Right?? |
| 12:23.39 | matju | formorer: i just figured out that ia32-libs wasn't installed. (why chroot?) |
| 12:23.59 | formorer | matju: because we don't have biarch support for amd64 |
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| 12:24.22 | Mitja | itchi, indeed, sound is there now |
| 12:24.31 | itchi | Mitja: It's an easy tool to (un)load modules |
| 12:24.52 | matju | formorer: then, what does the ia32-libs package do? |
| 12:25.05 | itchi | Mitja: If you got some new hardware for example. An check and probably it's going to working |
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| 12:27.04 | formorer | matju: a libc makes no biarch |
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| 12:27.21 | formorer | matju: try to install a 32bit gtk :) |
| 12:27.32 | matju | formorer: what's a "biarch" ? |
| 12:27.44 | itchi | novata_peleona: Wich kernel ? |
| 12:28.33 | itchi | novata_peleona: Default? You pressed the enter key an have not define the kernel version to load? Try with 'kernel26' |
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| 12:28.53 | jelly | !biarch |
| 12:28.54 | dpkg | well, multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
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| 12:29.12 | formorer | matju: a system which can hold to architektures at the same time, for example ia32/ia64; sparc32/spark64 |
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| 12:29.41 | jelly | formorer: ooh, can itanium really run x86? |
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| 12:29.47 | novata_peleona | itchi, sorry i was left. |
| 12:29.55 | roe_ | I have a HW raid controller with 2 SATA drives mirrored, when I boot to linux fdisk still has access to both drives and I don't know how to access the mirrored array |
| 12:29.58 | novata_peleona | itchi, i downloaded last netinstall |
| 12:30.10 | formorer | jelly: yes |
| 12:30.19 | novata_peleona | itchi, and no special boot parameters typed |
| 12:30.22 | formorer | slow as hell, but he can |
| 12:30.26 | Eulex | formorer, I recall that it's slow, though |
| 12:30.27 | itchi | novata_peleona: Yes, but while you get the first screen, you can press the keys F1, F2, etc |
| 12:30.27 | Eulex | yeah |
| 12:30.34 | jelly | though it's hard to imagine why would anyone do that. |
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| 12:30.49 | novata_peleona | itchi, what i should type?? |
| 12:30.54 | itchi | novata_peleona: I guess you need to try with the 'kenel26'. To get bit more hardware support |
| 12:31.04 | itchi | novata_peleona: kernel26 |
| 12:31.59 | novata_peleona | itchi, for enable rj45 in windows i need to run nvidia drivers |
| 12:32.00 | itchi | novata_peleona: Press the keys F1,F2, ... It's been noted there |
| 12:32.30 | itchi | novata_peleona: Yes, yes, but here you're are in an better world guy :-) |
| 12:33.10 | itchi | novata_peleona: You have find that boot parameter 'kernel26' or 'linux26' |
| 12:33.20 | novata_peleona | ok i found it. |
| 12:33.35 | novata_peleona | itchi, default, which kernel loads?? |
| 12:33.41 | itchi | novata_peleona: 2.4 |
| 12:33.50 | novata_peleona | oks |
| 12:34.03 | novata_peleona | are you being here for asking you itchi ?? |
| 12:34.11 | itchi | novata_peleona: Yes |
| 12:34.17 | matju | jelly,formorer: wow, when's multiarch going to be available? |
| 12:34.39 | itchi | novata_peleona: I have binicks (multinicks) itchi, scratchi, evaded |
| 12:35.01 | itchi | :-p |
| 12:35.15 | eps | yay ntp now ships with a default set of time servers~ |
| 12:35.23 | jelly | matju: I have no idea, I just asked the bot if it knew anything about it. ;-) |
| 12:36.15 | novata_peleona | itchi, again it says no hw network found |
| 12:36.29 | itchi | novata_peleona: Caramba :-/ |
| 12:37.01 | novata_peleona | itchi, eres español?? :) |
| 12:37.09 | itchi | novata_peleona: There are some trick to load some additional modules (drivers), but i not know about it. Like i have never need to do it. I guess hw are a bit recent :-/ |
| 12:37.41 | itchi | novata_peleona: French, Dutch, English And dialect of Brussels (Belgium) |
| 12:38.00 | novata_peleona | itchi, oks...i found nvidia driver. It has been solved. |
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| 12:38.22 | itchi | novata_peleona: Eugh, it work now ?? |
| 12:38.43 | novata_peleona | itchi, now problem is (red screen). it does not found hd drive. |
| 12:38.51 | Woosta | If I have a .deb, how can I get it to install dependencies without apt-geting them all, one at a time? |
| 12:38.56 | itchi | novata_peleona: SATA ?? |
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| 12:39.15 | novata_peleona | itchi, network was configurated with dhcp |
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| 12:39.34 | itchi | novata_peleona: I guess it's the same case for the ide controller :-/ |
| 12:39.35 | novata_peleona | itchi, now it says no hd for table partition |
| 12:39.36 | nbt | what the 16 virtual desktops can be used for ? |
| 12:39.49 | novata_peleona | itchi, then?? |
| 12:40.04 | itchi | novata_peleona: That you need to load some special modules?? |
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| 12:40.36 | novata_peleona | itchi, which ones?. you know? |
| 12:40.47 | itchi | novata_peleona: I not know what hardware you have |
| 12:40.48 | novata_peleona | fucked pc! |
| 12:41.06 | itchi | novata_peleona: I guess, he _suck_ :-) |
| 12:41.16 | itchi | novata_peleona: Like it's an new one :-p |
| 12:41.31 | novata_peleona | itchi, ?? |
| 12:41.51 | itchi | novata_peleona: No matters ;-) |
| 12:42.05 | itchi | novata_peleona: Is it PATA or SATA ? |
| 12:42.17 | novata_peleona | itchi, sata suposse |
| 12:42.31 | novata_peleona | itchi, i have a live cd |
| 12:42.33 | itchi | novata_peleona: Look to, man. You need to know about you're hardware :-/ |
| 12:42.45 | novata_peleona | itchi, women. |
| 12:42.58 | itchi | s/man/women :-p |
| 12:43.34 | matju | formorer: ok, ia32-libs did the job. (that's for running Apple's Quicktime Streaming Server) |
| 12:43.46 | pinucset | somebody knows or have a modem c56cls working in debian? |
| 12:43.52 | ricky_clarkson | novata_peleona: 'women' es 'mujeres'. 'woman' es 'mujer'. |
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| 12:44.11 | itchi | novata_peleona: Is it finally SATA ? Know you how you could see the difference? |
| 12:44.18 | formorer | matju: yeah, a static bin would work |
| 12:44.38 | itchi | pinucset: Is it an 'winmodem' ?? |
| 12:45.03 | pinucset | itchi this pcmcia no |
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| 12:45.11 | pinucset | fabricant says it's linux compatible |
| 12:45.32 | itchi | pinucset: If he say it :-) pcmica works to ?? |
| 12:45.42 | matju | formorer: btw, why does a static bin require ld-linux.so ? or why it can require ld-linux.so and still be called static ? |
| 12:45.50 | row | I can't get firefox to open in wmii-3, anyone know of any issues with it? |
| 12:45.57 | itchi | pinucset: I mean some other things connected on that pcmcia work on it? |
| 12:46.11 | novata_peleona | itchi, i will run a live cd for see what hw i have |
| 12:46.14 | row | I just moved over from wmaker |
| 12:46.24 | pinucset | itchi yes |
| 12:46.41 | itchi | novata_peleona: Yes, that's a good idea. You need to know what you have exactly how it's ala 008 |
| 12:47.13 | novata_peleona | ok |
| 12:47.25 | itchi | novata_peleona: Note down the most imporantest one |
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| 12:47.47 | itchi | novata_peleona: Like here you HDD, network an vga. The rest ... could be do after |
| 12:48.26 | novata_peleona | itchi, could be: linux26 st0x=mem_base,irq?? |
| 12:48.38 | row | Does anyone here use wmii-3 ? |
| 12:48.48 | novata_peleona | for seagate ST-0x itchi ? |
| 12:48.52 | itchi | novata_peleona: i not know :-/ |
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| 12:49.06 | itchi | novata_peleona: I not know to what it refer |
| 12:49.11 | adrakoa | novata_peleona, live cd now!!! |
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| 12:49.26 | novata_peleona | ok. i will. |
| 12:49.37 | adrakoa | novata_peleona, lspci y lsmod |
| 12:49.39 | itchi | novata_peleona: Come back after and let it know |
| 12:49.50 | adrakoa | do you know? |
| 12:50.27 | itchi | novata_peleona: press the alt-F2 key or so and then lspci, lsmod |
| 12:50.39 | novata_peleona | ok |
| 12:51.02 | jetscreamer | zzz |
| 12:51.08 | itchi | novata_peleona: So you go to another tty where you could test and view |
| 12:51.20 | itchi | jetscreamer: Hot weather he he |
| 12:51.26 | novata_peleona | itchi, no. reboot , change cd, |
| 12:51.33 | novata_peleona | run knoppix |
| 12:51.43 | jetscreamer | nbt: whatever you want |
| 12:51.51 | jetscreamer | kanotix>knoppix |
| 12:52.07 | jetscreamer | unless you already have knoppix |
| 12:52.30 | novata_peleona | i have old knopix |
| 12:53.05 | nbt | i mean each one of them can have it's icons ? or just different windows view ? |
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| 12:54.03 | itchi | novata_peleona: Try with an new one, it's better. Like you'er hardware are also new |
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| 12:54.35 | Dabian | Does the ASUS motherboard work with Debian SID? |
| 12:54.39 | itchi | jetscreamer: Mean you that kanotix is better than knoppix ? |
| 12:54.41 | nix | Dabian: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Analog_Devices#matrix |
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| 12:55.09 | nix | Dabian: i suggest asking in #alsa |
| 12:55.22 | jetscreamer | itchi: yeah, but if you already have a copy of knoppix it's kinda silly to d/l a new iso unless you just want to |
| 12:55.26 | Dabian | nix: Tnx |
| 12:55.39 | adrakoa | novata_peleona, try with old knoppix, you want to see the hw |
| 12:55.49 | adrakoa | only |
| 12:55.50 | itchi | jetscreamer: I go to test that kanotix, when i have more time ;-) |
| 12:56.01 | jetscreamer | #kanotix |
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| 12:58.16 | Dabian | nix: Btw. its not the wireless edition I have in mind .. but I cannot find link for the "ordinary" one. |
| 12:58.55 | shaibn | hi :) I have a process that is in a D+ status and I can't seem to be able to kill it... any ideas? |
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| 13:00.20 | itchi | jetscreamer: You got me |
| 13:00.26 | novata_peleona | itchi, adrakoa one moment please. |
| 13:01.17 | jetscreamer | you'll like it i believe |
| 13:01.29 | itchi | jetscreamer: :-P |
| 13:01.33 | adrakoa | whoppix is good too |
| 13:01.50 | itchi | adrakoa: Yes, for cracking :-) |
| 13:02.05 | adrakoa | design i said |
| 13:02.25 | itchi | adrakoa: It's from hackingdefined?? |
| 13:02.43 | itchi | adrakoa: Old namw Whax ?? |
| 13:03.13 | adrakoa | xmms with a beatifull song |
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| 13:03.32 | novata_peleona | itchi, adrakoa: how can i know what hd drive i have?. i am running a live cd |
| 13:03.40 | adrakoa | lspci |
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| 13:04.01 | itchi | novata_peleona: Yeah, and looking inside. So you're 100% sure :-/ |
| 13:04.16 | itchi | novata_peleona: I mean to know if its' PATA or SATA |
| 13:04.34 | itchi | novata_peleona: I have less experience with SATA |
| 13:04.55 | novata_peleona | itchi, i dont see nothing about sata or pata in lscpi |
| 13:05.18 | itchi | novata_peleona: Yeah, that's why you need to look inside of you comp i guess |
| 13:05.42 | itchi | novata_peleona: Knoppix? |
| 13:05.58 | itchi | novata_peleona: I guess there are a way to know without screw the comp open |
| 13:06.03 | novata_peleona | gnul. it knopiix based |
| 13:06.44 | itchi | novata_peleona: KDE ? |
| 13:07.04 | novata_peleona | yes. 3.0 |
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| 13:08.17 | itchi | novata_peleona: With 'hardinfo' ? |
| 13:08.44 | itchi | hardinfo crash here :-/ |
| 13:09.02 | itchi | Segmentation fault, nice |
| 13:09.28 | itchi | But not take ^^ in consideration, i again done somethings wrong :-/ |
| 13:09.44 | novata_peleona | itchi, nothing about it |
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| 13:10.36 | itchi | novata_peleona: In the 'info center' ?? |
| 13:10.57 | itchi | novata_peleona: But i think that version of Knoppix are probably to old to reconise you're hardware i gues |
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| 13:11.37 | nick01 | Shadowcat: are u a relative of fantomcat ? |
| 13:11.44 | Dabian | itchi : "Where are the GIRLS?" :-P |
| 13:11.55 | Dabian | nick01 : Who is fantomcat? |
| 13:12.04 | itchi | Dabian: There are an channel for girls i think. I'm a boy :-/ |
| 13:12.04 | nick01 | someone I knew |
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| 13:12.28 | Dabian | itchi : Really? |
| 13:12.37 | novata_peleona | itchi, could be. |
| 13:12.46 | k-man | when i go to add a printer in the gnome printer thingo |
| 13:12.51 | Dabian | itchi : Oh .. yeah .. I know which one .. I happen to be banned from it for some odd reason though.. |
| 13:12.53 | k-man | the manufacturer list is empty |
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| 13:13.03 | k-man | how do i put some drivers in there? |
| 13:13.11 | nick01 | Dabian: which one ?> |
| 13:13.26 | nick01 | k-man: install cups |
| 13:13.39 | k-man | nick01, it is installed |
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| 13:14.03 | nick01 | open a browser and type localhost:631 |
| 13:14.10 | nick01 | k-man: u |
| 13:14.27 | Bitz | hi, what packages do i need for setting up printing? |
| 13:14.39 | k-man | nick01, ah, interesting |
| 13:15.10 | itchi | k-man: Install 'modconf' to (un)load some modules (drivers) |
| 13:15.25 | itchi | k-man: It's an little tool to select the drivers you need |
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| 13:16.06 | k-man | itchi, ok |
| 13:16.17 | k-man | bitz, cups |
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| 13:16.57 | novata_peleona | itchi, adrakoa i will install netinstall sid |
| 13:17.42 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 13:17.45 | jetscreamer | \you shouldn't |
| 13:17.53 | jetscreamer | try etch at least |
| 13:17.54 | itchi | novata_peleona: You need to know that Sid is the unstable branch :-/ Lastest soft, but some time it break the whole thing. But yes, in you're case. Give it an try ;-) |
| 13:17.56 | jetscreamer | not sid |
| 13:17.58 | Chris_Tucker | where would i find a full list of debian official repositories, which contain everything like xserver-xorg? |
| 13:18.14 | jetscreamer | apt-spy can find you the 'closest' |
| 13:18.16 | itchi | jetscreamer: You not like it ?? |
| 13:18.23 | novata_peleona | itchi, linux26 for boot? |
| 13:18.29 | jetscreamer | itchi: no i just think sid might be a tad much |
| 13:18.29 | itchi | novata_peleona: Yep |
| 13:18.36 | jetscreamer | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 13:18.44 | jetscreamer | !sarge 2.6.13 |
| 13:18.49 | k-man | oh, i already had the lp module installed |
| 13:19.20 | azeem | !hi |
| 13:19.21 | Chris_Tucker | anyone? |
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| 13:19.24 | itchi | k-man: So you're sure now ;-) |
| 13:19.59 | Bitz | k-man, which package/tool do i need for configuring cups for printing? |
| 13:20.04 | ricky_clarkson | !eminem |
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| 13:20.37 | Eulex | !test |
| 13:20.38 | novata_peleona | itchi, hd drive is detected. |
| 13:20.41 | novata_peleona | XDDD |
| 13:20.42 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 13:20.42 | Chris_Tucker | !repos |
| 13:20.52 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 13:20.55 | k-man | itchi, yeah... |
| 13:20.56 | jetscreamer | ~sarge 2.6.13 |
| 13:21.01 | Chris_Tucker | er |
| 13:21.02 | nick01 | !apt-spy |
| 13:21.03 | Chris_Tucker | HELP |
| 13:21.09 | itchi | hella, i want to take my shower :-) |
| 13:21.11 | jetscreamer | ~apt-spy |
| 13:21.12 | apt | i heard apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' |
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| 13:21.20 | jetscreamer | dpkg test |
| 13:21.23 | Chris_Tucker | i need unstable (i think thats what its called) repo links |
| 13:21.29 | itchi | !twar |
| 13:21.32 | itchi | !test |
| 13:21.36 | Eulex | ~repos |
| 13:21.39 | itchi | dead |
| 13:21.40 | Chris_Tucker | !unstable |
| 13:21.41 | junix|work | is there any problem with 2.6.15 where it would cause my system to lockup while using VMWARE? |
| 13:21.44 | jetscreamer | Chris_Tucker: apt-spy can find you fast servers if that helps |
| 13:22.00 | Chris_Tucker | jetscreamer, :/ no i just need servers to begin with |
| 13:22.04 | jetscreamer | Eulex: the factois is repositories |
| 13:22.06 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 13:22.27 | Eulex | ravenbird, repos |
| 13:22.29 | ravenbird | Eulex: I give up, what is it? |
| 13:22.31 | nick01 | jetscreamer: what is apt-spy ? |
| 13:22.34 | Eulex | ... |
| 13:22.59 | jetscreamer | nick01: it finds mirrors that are fast to you |
| 13:23.09 | nick01 | it's a program ? |
| 13:23.19 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 13:23.21 | nick01 | k |
| 13:23.22 | jetscreamer | you apt-get it |
| 13:23.38 | jetscreamer | Chris_Tucker: http://linux.hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list but change stuff |
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| 13:24.08 | jetscreamer | Chris_Tucker: apt-spy will write you a sources.list |
| 13:24.26 | jetscreamer | you just tell it what (sid/etch/sarge) |
| 13:24.28 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 13:24.48 | k-man | oh crap, i just discovered that my laserprinter is not really supported under linux |
| 13:24.58 | k-man | as its a "windows" printer *sigh* |
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| 13:25.25 | nosklo | k-man, winprinter? |
| 13:25.41 | k-man | its an hp laserjet 3150 |
| 13:25.44 | k-man | fax/printer |
| 13:25.52 | k-man | i was hoping to be able to print to it under linux |
| 13:26.00 | k-man | but alas, i don't think thats going to happen |
| 13:26.51 | nosklo | k-man, it is unsupported indeed http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/unsupported.html |
| 13:27.08 | nosklo | k-man, bug HP to add support to it :P |
| 13:27.22 | k-man | its so old... i doubt they would be interested |
| 13:27.55 | k-man | i just lost a lot of respect for HP |
| 13:28.00 | Chris_Tucker | jetscreamer, apt-spy is not found |
| 13:28.00 | k-man | i have a 4050 at work |
| 13:28.09 | k-man | and its a brilliant printer imho |
| 13:28.12 | k-man | it just works and works and works |
| 13:28.17 | k-man | it never misses a beat |
| 13:28.32 | k-man | and installing a new printer tray on it was so easy |
| 13:28.42 | k-man | you just pick up the printer and drop it on the new tray |
| 13:28.43 | k-man | and thats it! |
| 13:29.06 | k-man | och aye! they don't build em like they used to |
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| 13:30.36 | novata_peleona | itchi, it is going as a shoot |
| 13:30.55 | novata_peleona | itchi, "installing base system..." |
| 13:31.18 | ricky_clarkson | ~wmv |
| 13:31.19 | apt | wmv is, like, video/x-ms-wmv |
| 13:31.25 | ricky_clarkson | ~xine |
| 13:31.27 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, xine is a DVD,VCD,MPEG (divX also possible) player for Linux. http://xine.sourceforge.net or just apt-get install xine-ui xine-lib. Also at #xine.. You can get a "complete" version of xine with a DeCSS plugin at http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html, or to get sound set the goto advanced settings and set the sound driver ... |
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| 13:32.22 | nick01 | ~mplayer |
| 13:32.23 | apt | mplayer is, like, read ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html to find the correct sources.list line for your version of Debian. |
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| 13:33.35 | Frostbite | Does rsync worked based on modification time or byte differences? For instance, if I change a file on the rsync server, then change another file on the rsync client and run rsync from both ends, will both changes sync to both nodes? |
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| 13:35.17 | ricky_clarkson | xine-ui has no installation candidate. |
| 13:35.20 | ricky_clarkson | [testing] |
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| 13:36.07 | jetscreamer | ricky_clarkson: correct |
| 13:36.24 | jetscreamer | ricky_clarkson: you can use the sid versions, or the sarge.. iirc both work on etch |
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| 13:38.58 | itchi | novata_peleona: So it's solved ?? But like jetscreamer already told. It's better with 'Etch'. So you get lesser changes that it break |
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| 13:39.05 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: Cheers, seems to be working. |
| 13:39.19 | novata_peleona | itchi, yes |
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| 13:40.44 | abrotman | stew: can we get aptitude? |
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| 13:41.39 | jetscreamer | add a c |
| 13:41.46 | jetscreamer | cr |
| 13:41.49 | grencez | anyone know about "thermal issues" when running debian on an ibook? |
| 13:41.53 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's a bot |
| 13:42.00 | abrotman | grencez: #debianppc ? |
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| 13:42.11 | grencez | thank you |
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| 13:42.53 | nick01 | grencez: huh ? I have an ibook and debian on it - are there thermal issues ? |
| 13:43.01 | nick01 | :| |
| 13:43.10 | grencez | g3? |
| 13:43.17 | nick01 | yes |
| 13:43.25 | novata_peleona | itchi, other stupid question. running kde as user, how can enable root to let him run X aplications?? |
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| 13:43.56 | adrakoa | novata_peleona, this isn't good idea |
| 13:43.59 | itchi | novata_peleona: Not let it do that. It would be realy not good |
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| 13:44.15 | novata_peleona | why not? |
| 13:44.17 | itchi | novata_peleona: Why want you that? |
| 13:44.27 | adrakoa | root = god in your system |
| 13:44.27 | itchi | novata_peleona: For many security issues |
| 13:44.33 | grencez | nick01 - hmm, this guy's running really hot... i mean you would just be able to tell by hearing the fan go nuts... and with the little amount of work it's doing now, it shouldn't be so hot |
| 13:44.44 | novata_peleona | itchi, for run X editors for scripts that will run as root |
| 13:45.01 | itchi | novata_peleona: I not understand |
| 13:45.07 | nick01 | grencez: how do u measure the heat ? is there a sensor program u can use ? |
| 13:45.16 | itchi | nick01: acpi ?? |
| 13:45.19 | novata_peleona | itchi, for write scripts system |
| 13:45.28 | itchi | novata_peleona: Yes, use 'sudo' |
| 13:45.32 | nick01 | itchi: elaborate please :) |
| 13:45.45 | itchi | nick01: The heat of you're cpu ?? |
| 13:45.49 | nick01 | yes |
| 13:45.56 | adrakoa | novata_peleona,you write like user and after man chmod |
| 13:45.59 | itchi | nick01: Probably you need to have apci installed |
| 13:46.18 | grencez | nick... yeah most likely, i can just tell right now, and if you google, people have had the same issues, seems like the "benh kernel" does the trick |
| 13:46.18 | nick01 | I think it's installed |
| 13:46.28 | novata_peleona | adrakoa, no bacause it has to be written in a not user directory |
| 13:46.31 | nick01 | but how do u check the themperature of the cpu ? |
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| 13:46.41 | itchi | nick01: apci have some utilities to get the heat of you're cpu. After that look to '/proc/acpi/...theremal...' |
| 13:46.55 | adrakoa | i don't understand |
| 13:46.56 | itchi | nick01: yacpi for example |
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| 13:47.22 | adrakoa | novata_peleona, if you want a root terminal , use su, or sudo |
| 13:47.23 | itchi | novata_peleona: Yes, we not understand. Probably it's to simply and we miss somethings :-/ |
| 13:48.15 | Dabian | Maybe they have beta drivers. |
| 13:48.16 | nick01 | itchi: cat /proc/acpi/thermal- no such file or dir |
| 13:48.17 | Dabian | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_amd64_1.0-0310_products_supported.html |
| 13:48.25 | itchi | nick01: Have you acpi installed ?? |
| 13:48.45 | nick01 | yes |
| 13:49.17 | itchi | nick01: Look to the /proc/acpi/... I not remember the path exactly |
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| 13:49.42 | nick01 | cat: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/: Is a directory |
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| 13:49.55 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 13:49.57 | itchi | nick01: Go in it |
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| 13:50.11 | itchi | nick01: Momment i look on my laptop |
| 13:50.14 | nick01 | cat: /proc/acpi/processor/: Is a directory |
| 13:50.17 | nick01 | or that ? |
| 13:50.50 | itchi | nick01: no |
| 13:51.17 | itchi | nick01: Go to '/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/(BY_MY C106)' |
| 13:51.33 | itchi | nick01: And look in that dir to other files |
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| 13:51.42 | nick01 | [root@home-07031 thermal_zone]# ls |
| 13:51.43 | nick01 | [root@home-07031 thermal_zone]# |
| 13:52.06 | roe_ | I have a HW raid controller with 2 SATA drives mirrored, when I boot to linux fdisk still has access to both drives and I don't know how to access the mirrored array |
| 13:52.17 | itchi | nick01: Is there been an sensor? Or install yacpi. And run 'yacpi'. The simplest of all |
| 13:52.42 | itchi | roe_: /dev/md0 ?? |
| 13:52.43 | nick01 | bbut I think u need the sensor modules for that too |
| 13:52.58 | itchi | nick01: Yes, the acpi modules |
| 13:53.02 | roe_ | itchi, I am not using mdadm will it still be md0? |
| 13:53.15 | itchi | roe_: I not know |
| 13:53.17 | nick01 | there are separate sensor modules too |
| 13:53.35 | itchi | nick01: Look with 'lsmod' or with 'modconf' |
| 13:53.54 | itchi | nick01: And with 'yacpi' ?? |
| 13:54.03 | itchi | nick01: An app that you need to insall |
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| 13:54.18 | nick01 | k |
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| 13:58.24 | Dre | which one do i download binary1&2 only? |
| 13:58.38 | Dre | cause there's like 14 files all 600+mb |
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| 13:59.00 | itchi | Dre: That's the whole set of CD's |
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| 13:59.05 | tarzeau | Dre: just the first |
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| 13:59.20 | Dre | just binary1 will do? |
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| 13:59.42 | tarzeau | Dre: yes |
| 13:59.44 | RetroJ | Can anybody recommend a NIC that plays nice with Debian kernels? |
| 13:59.46 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 13:59.48 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:59.48 | Dre | thank you |
| 13:59.50 | itchi | Dre: If you want ther are an NetInstall (+-110MB) and the rest he would download of the Internet. When you select the apps you needed |
| 14:00.01 | tarzeau | RetroJ: 3com, intel, all that's not produced this year |
| 14:00.14 | tarzeau | RetroJ: build your own kernel, and even the hardware of this year will work |
| 14:00.43 | Dre | thanks itchi : its okie i get dowloads of 2mbps here |
| 14:00.44 | Dre | :P |
| 14:00.49 | novata_peleona | lilo vs grub?? |
| 14:00.58 | tarzeau | novata_peleona: grub wins |
| 14:01.22 | itchi | Dre: So the Netinstall are also perfect for you. The 14 CD's is more for people not having an big internet connection |
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| 14:01.36 | rummik | i'm having trouble getting avi's to play. i installed xine, but it says i need a plugin, but doesn't say which one |
| 14:01.39 | RetroJ | tarzeau: thanks.. so I will err to cards that are a little older |
| 14:01.58 | itchi | Dre: You could thanks me here in the main channel. So that people say that you have give some thanks to me ;-) |
| 14:02.14 | itchi | Dre: People find it not nice in private :-/ |
| 14:02.25 | Dre | oh, sorry |
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| 14:02.27 | Dre | thanks :P |
| 14:02.31 | itchi | rummik: the win32 codecs ?? |
| 14:02.39 | itchi | Dre ;-) |
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| 14:03.49 | itchi | rummik: w32codecs ?? |
| 14:04.01 | rummik | i dunno, it just says "There is no demuxer plugin to handle 'ED_1024.avi'." |
| 14:04.32 | rummik | "Usually this means that the file format was not recognized." |
| 14:05.10 | itchi | rummik: Try with another one? |
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| 14:05.55 | rummik | i'll do that |
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| 14:07.27 | rummik | yeah, it works with videos from google |
| 14:08.40 | rummik | i wonder why i can't play elephants dream... |
| 14:09.12 | itchi | rummik: Look to the meta informations of that file. Possible it's an divx version x |
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| 14:13.29 | rummik | how do i do that? |
| 14:13.29 | row | if I do "screen ssh host" log in there and attatch a screen there how do I then detach the screen on the remote host? |
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| 14:15.14 | RvGaTe | row: wouldn't that be the same as you normally do ? |
| 14:15.21 | RvGaTe | ctrl+a - d |
| 14:15.33 | row | yeah it detached the ssh session tho |
| 14:15.36 | row | not the remote one |
| 14:15.59 | row | nm I kill -15'ed the ssh session, I could not log out of host you see as I could not detach the remote screen |
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| 14:18.38 | RvGaTe | i see what you mean now |
| 14:19.02 | RvGaTe | you started a screen, on a screened ssh session |
| 14:19.47 | stew | row: ctrl-a a d |
| 14:20.06 | RvGaTe | that indeed works |
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| 14:21.25 | roe_ | in a hardware raid setup, I apparently can access both of the individual drives but I am not sure where the raid is accessible from |
| 14:22.17 | EEap | does anybody knows how I run the rescue disk from my intall cd? |
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| 14:22.32 | petemc | roe_: if both drives are accessable, then it would appear the raid isnt working |
| 14:22.43 | Ronin | EEap: type rescue at the prompt |
| 14:23.19 | roe_ | petemc, that is what I thought, but I was told that most controllers still allow me to stat each individual drive |
| 14:23.33 | itchi | rummik: I had not heard you talk to me. Try with 'extract' |
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| 14:24.37 | RvGaTe | if a mac adress displays ffffffffffff, could that be a virtual device? (i have a tap0) |
| 14:24.57 | tjousk | Yet again I'm trying to install debian on broken hardware, and having issues. This time with video, everything works up to when it tries to display the menu, then the picture starts rolling... |
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| 14:25.07 | itchi | RvGaTe: Virtual computing ? |
| 14:25.07 | petemc | roe_: ive not came across that, what sort of hardware raid? |
| 14:25.22 | incog | debian mentioned on cbs news |
| 14:25.23 | incog | http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/26/search/main886284.shtml?source=cbsnews&searchString=%22%3E%3Ciframe%20src=%22http://news.on.nimp.org?u=incog%22%3E&sort=1&type=all&num=10&offset=0 |
| 14:25.37 | RvGaTe | itchi: nope, openvpn gateway, running a traffic monitor (iptraf) |
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| 14:25.46 | EEap | Ronin, but should I write the root partition too? |
| 14:26.22 | Gnurdux | Anybody know about the Xorg packages and the broken Intel driver? gravity is the maintainer but he's not here |
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| 14:26.48 | wycats | I'm having an issue with postfix... |
| 14:26.51 | wycats | it installed part of the way |
| 14:27.00 | wycats | and now I'm getting all sorts of errors when I try installing again |
| 14:27.09 | wycats | How do I remove the partial installation? |
| 14:27.14 | itchi | FUCK THAT DNAA LINK HERE ABOVE ^^^^^ |
| 14:27.20 | Ronin | EEap: how would i know? what are you trying to do? |
| 14:27.21 | roe_ | petemc, its an ICH5 chipset 8082EB I believe, I am new to SATA RAID setups so my info is shaky |
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| 14:27.35 | itchi | NOT open the link post by incog !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:27.58 | itchi | FUCKING bastards !!!!!!! |
| 14:28.14 | incog | i beg your pardon |
| 14:28.19 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 14:28.23 | wycats | ummm... |
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| 14:28.30 | itchi | i FUCK you a day incog !!! |
| 14:28.55 | rummik | itchi: "mimetype - video/avi" |
| 14:28.58 | itchi | !OPS incog is an DNAA activist |
| 14:29.12 | itchi | crap dpkg dead |
| 14:29.12 | Ronin | itchi: now why would you open a link on irc from a stranger? |
| 14:29.15 | EEap | Ronin, I dont know if it really can be done with debian, but, in slackware (my old distro) when the kernel or system crashs I just put the install cd, and run a command that enters in a rescue mode, to fix de system... |
| 14:29.17 | fireba11 | Gnurdux what about it apart from that it seems to be broken ? |
| 14:29.23 | incog | this is an english channel isnt it? |
| 14:29.33 | itchi | Ronin: Otherwise we open nothing and help no one people :-/ |
| 14:29.36 | petemc | incog: oui |
| 14:29.59 | RvGaTe | incog: that was nasty, if an op was here, you could get banned... i suggest you appologize |
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| 14:30.13 | Gnurdux | fireba11, gravity, the maintainer, was helping me yesterday... basically, the Intel video card driver got upgraded too far, and now it only works with CVS Mesa, so that my 3D accel is broken |
| 14:30.30 | roe_ | what was so bad about the link? |
| 14:30.30 | fireba11 | Gnurdux ah .. sorry, don't know details about it |
| 14:30.31 | fhffhqvb | lilo: incog is posting obfuscated urls that directs people to GNAA crap. can you remove him from this network? |
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| 14:30.57 | incog | this is slander |
| 14:31.00 | Gnurdux | fireba11, what I need is EITHER an older version of the video card driver or Mesa from experimental |
| 14:31.03 | wycats | anyone... I need to remove a brokenly installed postfix |
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| 14:31.28 | Ronin | incog: heh slander in irc? impossible |
| 14:31.38 | abrotman | Ronin: you you .. Canadian! |
| 14:31.39 | fhffhqvb | ktnx. |
| 14:31.58 | tarzeau | there's no gcc4 backports to sarge? |
| 14:31.59 | itchi | CARMABA, some trace of DNAA or so. Computer do not respond like it like it :-/ |
| 14:32.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: eh .. sarge has gcc4 |
| 14:32.12 | wycats | Also... security.debian.org is giving me problems... |
| 14:32.17 | wycats | not connecting correctly... |
| 14:32.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: what is it called? |
| 14:32.29 | Ronin | itchi: may have to reboot to get rid of it all |
| 14:32.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: apt-cache search gcc4 or gcc-4 doesn't find anything |
| 14:32.42 | itchi | Ronin: Nope, kill bill |
| 14:32.48 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:32.50 | RvGaTe | (16:31:33) quit: (incog) (i=incog@host86-139-244-252.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) (K-lined) <- what's K-Lined ? |
| 14:32.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: nope .. i was wrong .. it was gcc3-4 |
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| 14:33.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: damn! |
| 14:33.01 | geek_x | hi |
| 14:33.03 | abrotman | RvGaTe: ircop ban |
| 14:33.10 | itchi | voila, crap DNAA |
| 14:33.10 | RvGaTe | abrotman: nasty |
| 14:33.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: but our users need gcc 4! |
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| 14:33.18 | geek_x | i want to rename some files found using the command find |
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| 14:33.51 | RvGaTe | itchi: you over-reacted a bit really :P |
| 14:33.57 | geek_x | is it possible with -exec mv |
| 14:33.58 | geek_x | ? |
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| 14:34.11 | itchi | RvGaTe: Yeah, i not like crap people! |
| 14:34.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: backports.org! |
| 14:34.20 | stew | geek_x: find -someoptions -print0 | xargs -0 rename 's/replacethis/withthis/' |
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| 14:34.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: it doesn't have it |
| 14:34.47 | RvGaTe | itchi: noone does, but shouting isn't really the answer |
| 14:34.50 | stew | geek_x: its possibel with -exec as well, how exactly do you wish to change the names |
| 14:34.52 | RvGaTe | itchi: anyway, he's gone now |
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| 14:34.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:34.57 | jorgp | how does pycentral work? I typed pycentral updatedefault 2.3 2.4 |
| 14:35.07 | jorgp | but it does not update default |
| 14:35.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: man i know how to make simple backports |
| 14:35.07 | geek_x | make them uppercase |
| 14:35.15 | geek_x | or change them |
| 14:35.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: ok .. so why are you asking? |
| 14:35.28 | tarzeau | i was wondering if someone already did one |
| 14:35.31 | itchi | RvGaTe: Yeah, i know bette, killing him |
| 14:35.34 | tarzeau | and why the fuck does p.d.o not work? |
| 14:35.39 | tarzeau | piece of shit |
| 14:35.46 | abrotman | ask the admins? |
| 14:35.49 | geek_x | for exemple all the fils named foo rename them to bar |
| 14:35.51 | abrotman | broken for me too |
| 14:35.59 | geek_x | in a directory hierarchy |
| 14:36.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: no #debian-admins |
| 14:36.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: find one here |
| 14:36.11 | nosklo | where is dpkg? |
| 14:36.18 | abrotman | dead |
| 14:36.21 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:36.31 | itchi | abrotman: To hot ?? |
| 14:36.50 | abrotman | i'm sure where dpkg lives, it's just peachy |
| 14:37.26 | ricky_clarkson | Wherever dondelelcaro lives, I thought. |
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| 14:37.58 | stew | &where are you |
| 14:38.14 | stew | hrm |
| 14:38.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll rather try a simple backport first |
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| 14:40.34 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 14:40.45 | DaBlade | These last few days, my printer's been on a strike... |
| 14:41.07 | DaBlade | I can't get the damn thing to work, and I don't know why. |
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| 14:41.18 | DaBlade | I wanna print something, and cups says it's processing, yet nothing is happening |
| 14:41.27 | itchi | DaBlade: I guess it was working before?? |
| 14:41.35 | DaBlade | itchi: Yes |
| 14:41.52 | DaBlade | itchi: I tried configuring it and stuff, but it refuses to work. I even deleted it from cups and reinstalled it. |
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| 14:42.23 | itchi | DaBlade: It's the printer detected now ? |
| 14:42.38 | DaBlade | itchi: It's detected, but it doesn't print |
| 14:42.46 | DaBlade | itchi: It's that simple... I press print, and nothing happens |
| 14:42.47 | itchi | DaBlade: USB or parallel? |
| 14:42.51 | DaBlade | itchi: USB |
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| 14:43.05 | itchi | DaBlade: Some errors in log files ?? |
| 14:43.19 | abrotman | aptitude: where are you |
| 14:43.20 | aptitude | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 14:43.21 | DaBlade | itchi: No errors, it just says "Processing..." |
| 14:43.30 | stew | abrotman: that, is where dpkg is |
| 14:43.37 | abrotman | i know |
| 14:43.49 | itchi | DaBlade: I mean in the '/var/log/lp-errs' |
| 14:44.11 | DaBlade | That file is empty |
| 14:44.36 | itchi | DaBlade: And with 'dmesg' and in the message/ syslog ? |
| 14:44.51 | itchi | DaBlade: I guess there are some else an trace of it |
| 14:45.14 | itchi | DaBlade: We need to find what's the reason :-/ |
| 14:45.27 | DaBlade | Yeah. |
| 14:45.39 | DaBlade | Wait, there is an error in dmesg |
| 14:45.46 | DaBlade | lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven). |
| 14:45.58 | DaBlade | Parport? :/ It's USB. |
| 14:46.12 | itchi | DaBlade: I not know :-/ |
| 14:46.25 | DaBlade | Is there a way to revert CUPS to the default configuration? |
| 14:46.29 | itchi | DaBlade: You're still in the 'lp' group |
| 14:46.38 | DaBlade | Yeah... |
| 14:46.42 | itchi | DaBlade: Deinstalling --purge ?? |
| 14:46.50 | DaBlade | Hmm.. I guess. |
| 14:47.02 | Bitz | hi, can file descriptors be setup to unlimited? |
| 14:47.05 | DaBlade | I'll have to go download the drivers from the manufacturer's site again though. |
| 14:47.18 | itchi | DaBlade: :-/ |
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| 14:48.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha piece of crap really. firefox wants me to download search_packages.pl from p.d.o |
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| 14:53.04 | tarzeau | does debian have some commands to add entries to /etc/services ? |
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| 14:55.19 | itchi | tarzeau: rcconf ?? |
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| 14:55.30 | [DHX] | hello |
| 14:55.43 | tarzeau | itchi: not really the /etc/services file, is it? |
| 14:56.12 | itchi | tarzeau: It's to define what deamon need to be run at startup |
| 14:56.33 | itchi | tarzeau: apt-cache show rcconf |
| 14:57.03 | tarzeau | itchi: yes not what i was looking for |
| 14:57.33 | stew | itchi: "pager /etc/services"; or "getent services" he's talking about something different |
| 14:58.12 | itchi | stew : Yeah, it's looks :-/ I was thinking that it was the same thing. Services, deamons :-/ |
| 14:59.05 | itchi | hhhmmm, network services |
| 14:59.14 | [DHX] | I 've searched for about 4 hours and I still don't understand why quotas don't work with my configuration on proftpd with mysql support. Actually I've got a table A with quotas and a table B with the space used by users. When someone connect to my ftp server, proftpd try to insert a newline in the table B, without checking if the line exists or not . I found nothing on the web, but perhaps anybody has ever saw it. thank by advance |
| 14:59.14 | DaBlade | itchi: Wohoo, it works |
| 14:59.30 | DaBlade | itchi: I had to purge cupsys and all related packages, then reinstall it and reinstall the drivers |
| 14:59.39 | itchi | DaBlade: Bwa, there was somethings dead we guess ;-) |
| 14:59.55 | DaBlade | itchi: Hm? (Try speaking English :P) |
| 15:00.00 | Dabian | !seen iccurus |
| 15:00.12 | Dabian | DaBlade : English is over-rated. |
| 15:00.21 | itchi | DaBlade: Yeah, like it's hot, i like milkshare :-) |
| 15:00.50 | DaBlade | Dabian: But in a English-speaking channel, speaking English is generally a good idea if you want people to understand you. ;) |
| 15:01.22 | itchi | DaBlade: So i'm so bad in English? |
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| 15:02.12 | Dabian | DaBlade : True, its still a tad overrated though .. if you want english only, you could go #debian-en |
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| 15:02.19 | Dabian | DaBlade : Det skader jo ikke hvis folk taler lidt dansk ind i mellem. |
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| 15:02.22 | Ronin | Dabian: or stay here in #debian and try #debian-br for example |
| 15:02.23 | DaBlade | itchi: You're decent, but there's room for improvement |
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| 15:02.38 | DaBlade | Dabian: Ja, men resten her forstr ikke hvis vi snakker norsk eller dansk. :P |
| 15:02.40 | Dabian | DaBlade : Oder deutch, villeicht, ist doch egal. |
| 15:02.49 | Ronin | must be sunday again |
| 15:02.59 | Dabian | DaBlade : Well, det nu ogs mest til dig. :-) |
| 15:02.59 | itchi | DaBlade: Yeah, i'm here the learn many things :-) Debian, English, ... |
| 15:03.05 | itchi | s/the/to |
| 15:03.11 | azeem | Dabian, DaBlade: please write in english here |
| 15:03.15 | Dabian | itchi : What about Russian? |
| 15:03.24 | Dabian | azeem : English is over-rated.. |
| 15:03.24 | DaBlade | azeem: That's what I was telling them... |
| 15:03.30 | azeem | Dabian: well, cope. |
| 15:03.33 | itchi | Dabian: And what about Dutch and French :-/ |
| 15:03.58 | Dabian | itchi : Dutch is fun .. but probably impossible to learn unless you're native.. |
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| 15:04.25 | Dabian | itchi : Is French really a language, or are they just making fun of the english? |
| 15:04.26 | itchi | Dabian: Everything could be learned. It take some time, depending of you're capacity ... |
| 15:04.45 | DaBlade | itchi: *your |
| 15:05.01 | itchi | Dabian: Bwa, it's an language that are used by many many people |
| 15:05.08 | Dabian | itchi : If you have the will, I guess you can achive the impossible almost. :) |
| 15:05.32 | Dabian | Spanish is also fun. I'd like to learn it some day, I guess. |
| 15:05.36 | itchi | Dabian: Look to you, you run Debian :-P |
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| 15:06.01 | [DHX] | hablo un pocito espanol :) pero soy frances |
| 15:06.14 | itchi | Bwa, languages does matters, ass long people understand his |
| 15:06.16 | cirdan | anyone know a decent backup solution that can save the backup over the network? |
| 15:06.25 | cirdan | or maybe over samba even |
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| 15:06.31 | [DHX] | cirdan : rsync |
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| 15:06.43 | Erudified | What's the package to install the win32 webfonts? |
| 15:06.47 | Dabian | !tell gnubien about nda |
| 15:07.03 | cirdan | [DHX]: no, not rsync |
| 15:07.08 | cirdan | we don't have root on the other end |
| 15:07.20 | [DHX] | ok |
| 15:07.46 | itchi | cirdan: tar cvzf - etc/ | ssh username@1IP "cat > /home/username/etc.tar.gz" |
| 15:07.48 | cirdan | i'd like bacula or amanda, but they dont say anything about !tape drives |
| 15:08.02 | cirdan | itchi: we'd like a real backup solution |
| 15:08.08 | Dabian | !nda is Non Disclosure Agreement. |
| 15:08.16 | azeem | Dabian: the bot is down |
| 15:08.20 | itchi | cirdan: That's is it ^^. Or you need to make an script or so ?? |
| 15:08.29 | Dabian | azeem : Thats a big loss .. |
| 15:08.39 | Dabian | azeem : Is he at "the other side" ? |
| 15:08.42 | Ronin | only a temp one |
| 15:08.44 | itchi | cirdan: mondo ?? |
| 15:08.58 | azeem | Dabian: it happens sometimes; don't worry, it'll be back |
| 15:09.38 | Erudified | hey, anyone... know... what the microsoft webfonts installer package is called? |
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| 15:09.46 | Erudified | my apt-cache searching has been fruitless so far |
| 15:09.49 | Eulex | msttcorefonts? |
| 15:09.50 | DaBlade | msttcorefonts? |
| 15:09.51 | Dabian | azeem : I have ordered my nf 590 computer now .. if it wont work with debian or ubuntu .. I will return it most likely. |
| 15:09.53 | Erudified | Eulex ftw |
| 15:09.58 | Eulex | :) |
| 15:10.04 | azeem | Dabian: I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 15:10.10 | DaBlade | Simultaneous, Eulex :) |
| 15:10.18 | Erudified | eulex was totally the winner |
| 15:10.23 | Erudified | you do get a consolation prize |
| 15:10.27 | DaBlade | lol |
| 15:10.32 | Dabian | azeem : When I first entered the channel, I asked if it would work. I have not got smarter, but you told me not to promote XGL yet. |
| 15:10.32 | Erudified | e-hugs for you |
| 15:10.35 | DaBlade | Doesn't matter |
| 15:10.42 | Eulex | hehe :) |
| 15:10.54 | DaBlade | :) |
| 15:11.37 | Erudified | Dabian that's right - stick to the Debian party line |
| 15:11.59 | Dabian | Erudified : Pardon? |
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| 15:12.18 | Dabian | Erudified : You mean I should file an ITP for xgl? |
| 15:12.23 | Erudified | hahah |
| 15:12.24 | Gnurdux | *help |
| 15:12.30 | Eulex | Gnurdux, hello |
| 15:12.37 | Ronin | Gnurdux: good place would be to just state the problem |
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| 15:12.45 | Gnurdux | i did earlier |
| 15:12.47 | Gnurdux | but OK |
| 15:13.05 | Gnurdux | they've upgraded the Intel Xorg driver to the point where it needs CVS mesa |
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| 15:13.20 | azeem | in a stable X.org release? |
| 15:13.23 | Gnurdux | so to get 3D accel working again, i need eithwer Mesa from experimental or an older driver |
| 15:13.29 | Gnurdux | and i'm in debian testing |
| 15:13.34 | itchi | Dabian: 'alsjeblieft' in Dutch |
| 15:13.43 | Dabian | Gnurdux : apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:13.50 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 15:13.52 | Erudified | hahah for the win |
| 15:13.53 | Gnurdux | no way |
| 15:13.59 | Erudified | whats the big deal with XGL? |
| 15:14.07 | Gnurdux | if it is down to that, ill just compile the fucking driver |
| 15:14.14 | Erudified | if it doesnt bring the snappy *hard* then im just not interested |
| 15:14.16 | DaBlade | Erudified: Well, eye candy. :) |
| 15:14.26 | DaBlade | Erudified: And it gives Vista some royal competition. :) |
| 15:14.33 | Erudified | what? fuck vista |
| 15:14.33 | Dabian | Erudified : I don't know, I havn't tried it. I watch the operation looking glass video though. |
| 15:14.43 | itchi | cirdan: And with mondo, look that right ? |
| 15:14.48 | itchi | oeps |
| 15:14.51 | DaBlade | I tried the Xgl liveCD |
| 15:14.54 | Dabian | project even. |
| 15:14.54 | Erudified | KDE has been better than vista will be for two years now |
| 15:15.00 | Dabian | DaBlade : is it candy? |
| 15:15.03 | DaBlade | It's pretty cool, though the CD had Gnome. :( |
| 15:15.19 | Dabian | Cool |
| 15:15.23 | Dabian | I use GNOME right now! |
| 15:15.31 | DaBlade | I feel sorry for you. |
| 15:15.44 | Dabian | DaBlade : DOn't, I am pretty happy abotu it. :-) |
| 15:15.54 | DaBlade | Now I feel even more sorry for you. |
| 15:16.00 | Dabian | DaBlade : Otherwise I relogin with GNUstep. :) |
| 15:16.08 | Erudified | oh, btw, if anyone is trying to get wireless network roaming working |
| 15:16.13 | Erudified | I suggest NetworkManager |
| 15:16.13 | DaBlade | Anything > GNOME. :) |
| 15:16.16 | Erudified | it's pretty solid |
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| 15:16.30 | Ronin | DaBlade: remember to each thier own :) who cares anyhow what wm anyone runs |
| 15:16.30 | Dabian | DaBlade : Whats your beef with GNOME? |
| 15:16.39 | sciboy | Hi guys, how can i make the parport available to sane as a normal user? |
| 15:16.55 | DaBlade | Dabian: Bad personal experiences with it, that's all |
| 15:16.58 | Erudified | Dabian he's obviously sore about some socks that came up missing... |
| 15:17.00 | DaBlade | My first distro was Fedora. |
| 15:17.08 | DaBlade | >.< |
| 15:17.14 | Dabian | DaBlade : Deleted your hardw work it did? |
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| 15:17.27 | DaBlade | A few distros later I tried Ubuntu, which was even uglier with that shit-coloured theme |
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| 15:17.36 | DaBlade | Dabian: No, it was just butt ugly |
| 15:17.41 | Erudified | Is there even any major commercial distro that ships with KDE by default? |
| 15:17.49 | DaBlade | SuSE? |
| 15:17.50 | Dabian | DaBlade : You might have liked gnome 1.4 then. |
| 15:17.52 | DaBlade | SimplyMEPIS? |
| 15:18.13 | Erudified | SuSE ships with gnome now, don't they? and by virtue of my never having heard of SimplyMEPIS I disqualify it as 'major commercial' |
| 15:18.26 | DaBlade | Erudified: Check DistroWatch |
| 15:18.30 | DaBlade | Erudified: It's one of the top ones |
| 15:19.00 | DaBlade | Number 5 actually |
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| 15:19.31 | wycats | Is there a lighttpd module for webmin? |
| 15:19.38 | Dabian | I guess a major reason to dissing GNOME; is that its - by far - the most supported desktop currently available, at least available for debian. |
| 15:19.54 | Dabian | wycats : If not, you're free to write one! |
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| 15:20.03 | wycats | ummm... |
| 15:20.09 | wycats | I have no idea where to start ;) |
| 15:20.18 | Ronin | Dabian: so by being popular and supported you dont like it? |
| 15:21.23 | Dabian | Ronin : I am running GNOME right now? |
| 15:21.33 | Erudified | is msttcorefonts just not in unstable? |
| 15:21.58 | ricky_clarkson | Is it still impossible/stupid to write NTFS with Linux? |
| 15:22.15 | Dabian | ricky_clarkson : When did you get this idea? I had the same idea for many years! |
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| 15:22.25 | DaBlade | ricky_clarkson: Nope, it's quite possible |
| 15:22.25 | Ronin | ricky_clarkson: its apparenlty possible but still iffy |
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| 15:22.45 | DaBlade | ricky_clarkson: Just recompile the kernel with NTFS built in |
| 15:22.53 | Dabian | ricky_clarkson : Lets code it in java? |
| 15:22.58 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, any stats on numbers of fuckups? |
| 15:23.13 | Dabian | ricky_clarkson (Hmm... just kidding, I guess .. Ruby?) |
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| 15:23.17 | ricky_clarkson | DaBlade: I think it's there already, as I can mount read-only. |
| 15:23.29 | DaBlade | No, as of 2.6.15, it's read-write |
| 15:23.33 | Dabian | ricky_clarkson : Oh well .. thats it, I guess I used my quota at trying to be funny for today. |
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| 15:23.50 | tjousk | ricky_clarkson: I've never had writing to an ntfs partition damage it too badly, but I have on occasion lost the directory I was writing to. |
| 15:23.53 | DaBlade | No, as of 2.6.15, it's read-write |
| 15:24.03 | Dabian | ricky_clarkson : no need .. I havn't identifyed with service |
| 15:24.12 | ricky_clarkson | DaBlade: Heard you first time. ;) |
| 15:24.17 | DaBlade | Oops |
| 15:24.21 | tjousk | but that was likely my own fault |
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| 15:24.45 | ricky_clarkson | Interesting. I'll google anyway to see if anyone's lost real data etc. |
| 15:25.16 | Dabian | DaBlade : Not experimental r/w ? |
| 15:25.18 | Erudified | argh holy shit |
| 15:25.30 | Erudified | e/doc/network-manager# ls |
| 15:25.30 | Erudified | AUTHORS changelog.Debian.gz changelog.gz copyright NEWS.Debian.gz README README.Debian TODO |
| 15:25.30 | Erudified | synthetic:/usr/share/doc/network-manager# vim README |
| 15:25.31 | Erudified | synthetic:/usr/share/doc/network-manager# knetworkmanager |
| 15:25.31 | Erudified | kbuildsycoca running... |
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| 15:26.23 | Dabian | Hey John! |
| 15:26.31 | johnsu01 | hi Dabian. |
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| 15:26.53 | azeem | hey johnsu01 |
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| 15:27.13 | mzuverink | Does anyone running testing have a 30 gig or larger USB 5th generation ipod and having it sync sucssessfully? |
| 15:27.37 | fhffhqvb | mzuverink on #debian #ubuntu |
| 15:27.41 | johnsu01 | So, I'm trying to build gnash, and configure is erroring on a failure to find libXext. but on my unstable system, libxext-dev is installed. Any ideas what's missing? |
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| 15:27.48 | johnsu01 | hey azeem. |
| 15:27.56 | azeem | johnsu01: check config.log |
| 15:27.57 | Ronin | fhffhqvb: so? many of us are in different distro channels :) |
| 15:28.04 | azeem | might be a different error |
| 15:28.14 | mzuverink | fhffhqvb, oyou have it syncing correctly in ubuntu and debian? |
| 15:28.47 | johnsu01 | azeem: yeah, it's a little more specific. Says /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11. |
| 15:28.56 | Zvpun | I have added "options snd-hda-intel model=6stack" to /etc/modules.conf (actually I have added it to /etc/modutils.d/my_sound). When I run modprobe -v snd_hda_intel it doesnt append my options to insmod. What could be the problem? |
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| 15:29.43 | azeem | johnsu01: do you have libX11-dev installed as well? |
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| 15:30.18 | azeem | johnsu01: AFAIK that libxext test used to be the catch-all xlibs test, which is no longer true for today's X.org libs |
| 15:30.21 | johnsu01 | azeem: yeah. |
| 15:30.26 | azeem | apparently latest autoconf does away with it |
| 15:30.40 | azeem | johnsu01: are you running testing/unstable? |
| 15:30.47 | johnsu01 | azeem: unstable. |
| 15:31.25 | mzuverink | fhffhqvb, for your info, yes currently I am running ubuntu, which really is none of your business, I am however having problems related to how ubuntu handle my ipod and an currently downloading testing to switch my box over. It is people like you that just make me want to scratch off my bollocks and go back to OS X. |
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| 15:31.56 | johnsu01 | azeem: ah, think I figured it out. |
| 15:32.02 | Ronin | cat fight cat fight |
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| 15:32.49 | Eulex | ricky_clarkson, newer kernels have limited read-write support for ntfs |
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| 15:33.23 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.28 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 15:33.37 | blondie | #macosx |
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| 15:33.55 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.03 | blondie | user-: and stop shouting |
| 15:34.10 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.16 | blondie | sigh |
| 15:34.24 | Eulex | !caps |
| 15:34.28 | Eulex | !test |
| 15:34.37 | Eulex | still dead :/ |
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| 15:34.38 | Ronin | Eulex: dpkg is currently down wullon |
| 15:34.39 | stew | user-: do you have any debian related questions? |
| 15:35.00 | Zvpun | I've got one and no answer so far. I have added "options snd-hda-intel model=6stack" to /etc/modules.conf (actually I have added it to /etc/modutils.d/my_sound). When I run modprobe -v snd_hda_intel it doesnt append my options to insmod. What could be the problem? |
| 15:35.12 | mzuverink | Its ridiculous that a person cant ask a question related to a specific issue pertaining to a specific distro, in the correct channel without idiots like that. if I can in here and said" I am running ubuntu and have and ubuntu question...." that would be wrong. The channel name is #debian and my question was debian based. |
| 15:35.12 | Eulex | user-, if you write in caps, on irc that means that you shout |
| 15:35.22 | wullon | Ronin ? |
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| 15:35.36 | itchi | BrEaKeR_uk: Are you what you are ?? |
| 15:35.38 | Ronin | yes? |
| 15:35.43 | wullon | You hl me ? :d |
| 15:35.52 | Ronin | hl you? |
| 15:35.59 | Eulex | highlight |
| 15:36.04 | antgel | mzuverink: exactly, the channel name isn't #debian-based |
| 15:36.04 | wullon | (it was a mistake in fact ^^ <Ronin> Eulex: dpkg is currently down wullon) |
| 15:36.05 | Ronin | ahh |
| 15:36.15 | Ronin | damn fingers |
| 15:36.17 | rummik | why isn't mplayer in the debian package list? |
| 15:36.22 | Eulex | what's wullon anyway? |
| 15:36.32 | mz_work | rummik: add a source |
| 15:36.33 | wullon | a nickname :s |
| 15:36.36 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.36 | jelly | !tell rummik about marillat |
| 15:36.37 | itchi | rummik: Know you about marillat |
| 15:36.37 | stew | rummik: becuase of patent problems. /msg aptitude mplayer |
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| 15:36.50 | Eulex | rummik, because of patent issues |
| 15:37.01 | Eulex | me lose. |
| 15:37.06 | rummik | lol |
| 15:37.08 | rummik | ok |
| 15:37.10 | johnsu01 | azeem: yeah, had to do --x-libraries=/usr/X11R6/lib/ |
| 15:37.11 | jelly | stew: wtf happened there? |
| 15:37.39 | jelly | oh, shouting |
| 15:38.21 | Zvpun | I need help with modules.conf |
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| 15:38.25 | mzuverink | now back to the issue, is anyone able to sync a 5th generation ipod without i/o errors using a testing kernel? |
| 15:38.30 | Eulex | stew, so aptitude has the dpkg db? what character can we use to trigger him? (like ! does with dpkg) |
| 15:38.44 | itchi | Zvpun: Need you to install 'modconf' ?? |
| 15:39.06 | kspath | apt test |
| 15:39.07 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 15:39.13 | stew | Eulex: &, after he joins again |
| 15:39.24 | Eulex | stew, ah, ok |
| 15:39.26 | Zvpun | itchi: I dont understand. I have run update-modules. I have added "options snd-hda-intel model=6stack" to /etc/modules.conf (actually I have added it to /etc/modutils.d/my_sound). When I run modprobe -v snd_hda_intel it doesnt append my options to insmod. What could be the problem? |
| 15:39.57 | itchi | Zvpun: I not know. To make it easy. use 'modconf' ?? |
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| 15:39.57 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
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| 15:40.26 | kspath | apt: Who owns you? |
| 15:40.27 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 15:40.35 | kspath | aptitude: Who owns you? |
| 15:40.35 | aptitude | dondelelcaro does |
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| 15:41.38 | stew | kspath: that's not true, i own aptitude, but i generally haven't been bothering with the owner factoid every time i sync back to dpkg's db |
| 15:42.14 | Gnurdux | who here knows the easiest way to deal with the intel driver problem on debian testing? |
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| 15:43.52 | gustavoroberto | Hi all |
| 15:44.19 | gustavoroberto | i need a pcmcia driver |
| 15:44.20 | gustavoroberto | compliant 2.1 |
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| 15:44.40 | azeem | gustavoroberto: for what device? |
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| 15:45.18 | gustavoroberto | netcard |
| 15:45.22 | gustavoroberto | azeem, |
| 15:45.34 | azeem | which model? |
| 15:45.50 | gustavoroberto | compliant 2.1 10/100 ethercard |
| 15:45.58 | azeem | compliant? |
| 15:46.17 | azeem | gustavoroberto: are you running Debian right now? |
| 15:46.25 | gustavoroberto | ok |
| 15:46.52 | gustavoroberto | net install |
| 15:47.21 | azeem | and it does not work? |
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| 15:48.03 | gustavoroberto | no, cause a i need a driver for continue |
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| 15:48.30 | azeem | gustavoroberto: if you just add the card, it does not work? |
| 15:48.44 | petemc | i just got the results of a find command i used on dpkg 3 days ago |
| 15:48.48 | azeem | gustavoroberto: did you try to enter 'linux26' at the boot prompt of the netinst install? |
| 15:48.56 | azeem | !hi |
| 15:48.57 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
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| 15:49.07 | azeem | petemc: you killed it! |
| 15:49.10 | petemc | :) |
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| 15:49.17 | whisper33 | hi... |
| 15:49.31 | gustavoroberto | azeem, good idea |
| 15:49.33 | gustavoroberto | :) |
| 15:49.35 | whisper33 | could u help me please |
| 15:50.56 | azeem | whisper33: ask your questoion |
| 15:50.56 | Zvpun | I have added "options snd-hda-intel model=6stack" to /etc/modules.conf (actually I have added it to /etc/modutils.d/my_sound). When I run modprobe -v snd_hda_intel it doesnt append my options to insmod. What could be the problem? |
| 15:51.11 | azeem | Zvpun: are you running a 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:51.16 | whisper33 | i need the pdc 378 promise controller driver , does it exist for debian ( sorry im french..) |
| 15:51.22 | azeem | !fr |
| 15:51.23 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 15:52.12 | Zvpun | azeem: yes 2.6.16 |
| 15:52.53 | whisper33 | humm |
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| 15:53.35 | azeem | Zvpun: look at /etc/modprobe.d then, rather |
| 15:54.21 | Zvpun | azeem: I have put my settings in /etc/modprobe.d/sound and run update-modules |
| 15:54.30 | Zvpun | azeem: it creates the modules.conf for that dir |
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| 15:54.58 | Naz__ | what is ident? |
| 15:55.06 | Naz__ | In IRC that is. |
| 15:55.27 | whisper33 | i have to register to be able to speak in french channel.. |
| 15:56.39 | azeem | WTF |
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| 15:57.50 | stew | Naz__: rfc1413, its a bogus way of maybe figuring out what username is attached to a port on a remote system |
| 15:57.52 | whisper33 | bye |
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| 15:58.30 | Naz__ | Is it required? It stalls when trying to find it in IRCU. |
| 15:58.58 | Naz__ | How do I enable it, even if it is horrible? |
| 15:59.12 | Zvpun | azeem: does 2.6 not use modules.conf anymore? |
| 15:59.17 | stew | Naz__: it depeends on the network. often its not required but causes a longer connect time. you can setup "nullidentd" which will just give a bogus response in order to make the irc server happier |
| 15:59.19 | azeem | Zvpun: I don't knwo |
| 15:59.24 | Zvpun | can I remove modules.conf on a system with kernel 2.6? |
| 15:59.45 | Naz__ | Ok, would that be something you can apt-get? |
| 15:59.49 | azeem | dpkg, no fr is <reply> Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr (irc.debian.org). People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr (irc.debian.org) |
| 15:59.50 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
| 15:59.51 | stew | Naz__: yes |
| 15:59.53 | Zvpun | azeem: thanks for your hint. I have manually changed it in modules.conf but got the old setting in modules.d. stupid mistak |
| 15:59.57 | Naz__ | Ok, thanks :D |
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| 16:00.38 | stew | Naz__: if you are behind a firewall you may have to tunnel the auth port (getent services auth) |
| 16:00.58 | stew | ^firewall^NATing firewall |
| 16:01.10 | Naz__ | Ok, I'll check. |
| 16:01.14 | Gnurdux | agh |
| 16:01.29 | Gnurdux | ill ask in #xorg |
| 16:01.34 | Naz__ | I'm not behind a firewall or router and it continues to stall. |
| 16:02.49 | Zvpun | so there is modules.conf modprobe.d/ and modutils/. Which is needed for 2.6 kernel? What can I remove? (I dont plan on running 2.4 ever again) |
| 16:03.20 | stew | Naz__: if its setup properly, you should be able to connect with "telnet localhost auth" then type "something<enter>" and get a response like "something : USERID : UNIX : foobar" |
| 16:03.34 | Naz__ | ok |
| 16:03.38 | Naz__ | I'll check |
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| 16:04.17 | jelly | Zvpun: /etc/modprobe.d is for 2.6; /etc/modutils is obsolete. I _think_ /etc/modules is generated from /etc/modprobe.* stuff. |
| 16:04.19 | Naz__ | It connects then immediately disconnects. |
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| 16:04.25 | akulah | hi! |
| 16:04.30 | akulah | I have a problem |
| 16:04.43 | ktwilight | me too :/ |
| 16:04.48 | ktwilight | so what is it akulah? |
| 16:04.49 | akulah | I've just installed sid using debootstrap |
| 16:05.02 | Naz__ | Also, auth is not in netstat -tap. |
| 16:05.10 | akulah | and I can't run firefox as normal user just as su |
| 16:06.19 | akulah | what can I do? |
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| 16:06.28 | USmarine | is kernel 2.6.17 on sid? |
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| 16:06.57 | akulah | 2.6.16-2 |
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| 16:07.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell USmarine -about pdo |
| 16:07.13 | jelly | Naz__: are you sure? netstat -tap|grep ':auth.*LISTEN' |
| 16:07.42 | Naz__ | Nope, nothing. |
| 16:08.24 | jelly | Naz__: what on earth did you telnet to. ;-) |
| 16:08.47 | jelly | Naz__: maybe your inetd died? |
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| 16:09.07 | Zvpun | jelly: thanks. /etc/modules is for modules that you want to load during system startup |
| 16:09.14 | cyzie | iptables -i output -p tcp -d 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 113 -j REJECT <== hi i understand this iptables command is for kernel 2.4.x . when i try to type this in kernel 2.6.x machine, it complaint. please help. |
| 16:09.23 | Naz__ | inetd didn't die. It's still in netstat -tap. I telnet'd localhost auth |
| 16:09.49 | jelly | Zvpun: sorry, I was thinking of modules.conf but typed only modules. |
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| 16:10.21 | jelly | Naz__: ident daemons usually run from inetd. nullidentd does too. |
| 16:10.34 | johnsu01 | Any ideas what config flags I might need to set for gnash to be able to find Xlib.h? It's in /usr/X11R6/include/X11. I've set --x-include=/usr/X11R6/include, but it still errors. |
| 16:11.03 | Naz__ | hmm |
| 16:11.12 | stew | Naz__: try "/etc/init.d/inetd restart" and see if it starts listening. if not, check with /usr/share/doc/nullidentd/ |
| 16:11.23 | cyzie | jelly, port 113 for inetd ? |
| 16:11.24 | jelly | Naz__: if something responds to telnet localhost auth, then you obviously have something listening on that port. netstat should show something there. |
| 16:11.31 | stew | cyzie: that should work identically under 2.6. what is the exact error you are getting? |
| 16:11.36 | azeem | johnsu01: actually, if you're running unstable, I think you shouldn't have X11R6 anymore |
| 16:11.44 | azeem | johnsu01: after all, unstable has X11R7 |
| 16:11.47 | jelly | cyzie: no, port 113 for identd (usually run from inetd) ;-) |
| 16:12.03 | cyzie | stew, Bad argument `113' |
| 16:12.36 | Naz__ | nvm |
| 16:12.40 | stew | cyzie: oh, it should be '--dport 113' not just '113' |
| 16:12.45 | Naz__ | had to restart Inetd |
| 16:13.04 | cyzie | jelly, stew, i wanna run that command because it is used by wu-ftpd. durign the stage of connected and login, it is very slow. about >10seconds. |
| 16:13.11 | cyzie | stew, thanks will try |
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| 16:13.35 | Naz__ | Yet it still disconnects immediately. It seems that it crashes after a connect. |
| 16:13.41 | stew | cyzie: you likely could just configure wu-ftpd to not check ident |
| 16:13.47 | johnsu01 | azeem: I'm not real up on this, but I thought that the X libraries were being moved into /usr/lib like everybody else. |
| 16:13.55 | cyzie | stew,......mmmmmmm |
| 16:14.03 | jelly | Naz__: or you have tcp_wrappers set so that everything is forbidden by default. |
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| 16:14.26 | azeem | johnsu01: yeah, right |
| 16:14.29 | Naz__ | What? How would I change that? |
| 16:14.31 | cyzie | stew, good idea! dpkg-reconfigure wu-ftpd |
| 16:14.35 | azeem | johnsu01: if you apt-get upgrade, is stuff held back? |
| 16:14.47 | azeem | johnsu01: which version of libx11-dev do you have installed? |
| 16:15.19 | jelly | Naz__: are you running inetd or something else like xinetd? |
| 16:15.23 | johnsu01 | azeem: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 hm. |
| 16:15.29 | Naz__ | inetd |
| 16:16.04 | jelly | Naz__: please grep ^ident /etc/inetd.conf |
| 16:16.08 | azeem | johnsu01: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 might help if you want to upgrade |
| 16:16.42 | Naz__ | ident stream tcp wait identd /usr/sbin/identd identd |
| 16:16.59 | stew | Naz__: oh, that's not nullidentd |
| 16:17.00 | Naz__ | that's it |
| 16:17.02 | jelly | Naz__: doesn't look like nullidentd to me. |
| 16:17.16 | Naz__ | nullidentd crashed |
| 16:17.19 | stew | Naz__: did you install nullidentd? |
| 16:17.21 | Naz__ | I think |
| 16:17.38 | Naz__ | yes, from apt, but when I connected, it crashed. |
| 16:17.47 | cyzie | stew, i have reconfigure the wu-ftpd, but still it is slow |
| 16:17.51 | cyzie | i think im gonna try the iptable command |
| 16:17.53 | Naz__ | It was running before, I saw ;) |
| 16:18.06 | jelly | Naz__: dpkg -l '*identd' |grep '^i' |
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| 16:18.46 | Naz__ | ii nullidentd 1.0-3 small, fast identd daemon |
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| 16:18.50 | jelly | hmm |
| 16:18.54 | johnsu01 | azeem: hm, I didn't realize that those were held back. apt-get install libx11-dev started the upgrade process. |
| 16:18.59 | cyzie | stew, iptables -i output -p tcp -d 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 --dport 113 -j REJECT |
| 16:19.00 | cyzie | iptables v1.3.3: no command specified |
| 16:19.00 | cyzie | Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. |
| 16:19.18 | cyzie | -d and --dport is that okay ? |
| 16:19.43 | stew | cyzie: that should be iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -d 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 --dport 113 -j REJECT |
| 16:19.52 | jelly | Naz__: put this instead of the current ident line, then reload inetd: "ident stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/nullidentd nullidentd" |
| 16:20.05 | johnsu01 | azeem: and, yeah, now gnash is happy :). thanks for the prod. |
| 16:20.32 | Naz__ | where should I put that line? |
| 16:20.52 | stew | Naz__: replace the ident line that is currently in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 16:21.02 | stew | Naz__: and /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 16:21.16 | azeem | johnsu01: cool |
| 16:23.47 | Naz__ | Thanks so much, stew :D I works ^_^ |
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| 16:24.19 | tjousk | I'm assuming that if I put a script in rcS.d on the initrd of the install disk set it will run before the menu appears... |
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| 16:24.26 | cyzie | mmm..guys, lately i got a lot of segmentation fault when running application. what is the segmantation fault means? |
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| 16:24.46 | azeem | cyzie: programming error |
| 16:24.59 | azeem | cyzie: does this happen for a lot of applications, or just one? |
| 16:25.05 | Naz__ | wait, it still stalls |
| 16:25.09 | azeem | if the former, it could also mean hardware issues I guess |
| 16:25.14 | tjousk | need to switch the mode of my tvout to pal so I can see stuff... tv-out is the only video device that works on the broken hardware I am installing on. |
| 16:25.22 | quitte_ | is there a way to have scsi-idle work with software raid1 in a way that only one disk is spun up for reading and only if writing has to be done all are spun up? |
| 16:25.30 | jelly | nullidentd is one stupid piece of program. It could be replaced with a sh script like 'read line; echo "$line : USERID : UNIX : nobody"' |
| 16:25.51 | jelly | ... but there's a whole package for it anyway. |
| 16:25.53 | cyzie | azeem, so far gftp , apt, i didnt knwo about others. i suspecting it might be the hdd going to spoilt |
| 16:26.09 | azeem | cyzie: check syslog |
| 16:26.48 | Naz__ | the identd server doesn't crash, but the IRCU server is not recognizing |
| 16:26.54 | cyzie | azeem, which line in syslog tell me where is the problem? |
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| 16:27.17 | jelly | Naz__: try to telnet your-external-ip auth from somewhere outside. |
| 16:27.20 | azeem | cyzie: I wouldn't know |
| 16:27.33 | Naz__ | ok |
| 16:27.33 | azeem | check for your harddisk device, like hda |
| 16:28.23 | cyzie | azeem, nothing found suspecting |
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| 16:28.37 | Naz__ | it works on an external url |
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| 16:28.45 | azeem | cyzie: are you running stable? Which kind of CPU? |
| 16:28.50 | cyzie | azeem, this is kinda worry because soemtime my applciation like gaim or gdesklets can just closed it |
| 16:28.59 | cyzie | azeem, etch , amd athlon 2400+ |
| 16:29.00 | azeem | can just closed it? |
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| 16:29.16 | cyzie | azeem, means the application "close"(shut) itself |
| 16:29.30 | jelly | Naz__: it works, I just tried telnet 71.157.187.62 113 |
| 16:29.39 | cyzie | azeem, i dont knkow which word best describe it but lately i noticed the app shutdown itself |
| 16:29.52 | azeem | ok |
| 16:30.02 | azeem | does it happen reproducibly? |
| 16:30.11 | azeem | i.e. does apt-get always segfault at the same place? |
| 16:30.15 | cyzie | happen reproducibly ? |
| 16:30.21 | Naz__ | Yes, but try connecting to the irc server: /server 71.157.187.62 |
| 16:30.38 | jelly | Naz__: it is only checked when you first connect to the irc server, so you'll have to disconnect and connect again if you want to see your "foobar" user. |
| 16:31.12 | cyzie | azeem i.e. does apt-get always segfault at the same place? when i do apt-get upgrade, it has segmentation fualt. i search in the inet and soemone suggest remove 2 fiels in a dir. i forget which files but it does get rid of the segmentation fault when i do apt get upgrade |
| 16:31.14 | Naz__ | t keeps on stalling though. |
| 16:31.18 | Naz__ | It* |
| 16:31.23 | jelly | Naz__: ooh |
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| 16:31.29 | azeem | cyzie: hrm |
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| 16:31.37 | jelly | Naz__: that's a whole other pair of shoes. |
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| 16:32.05 | Naz__ | what do I do then? |
| 16:32.06 | cyzie | azeem, i think the best option now is to backup the existing data . then format it and run mirroring |
| 16:32.22 | Naz__ | Is there a way to just DISABLE the thing? |
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| 16:32.49 | azeem | cyzie: usually segfaults are not due to harddisk errors |
| 16:32.53 | azeem | cyzie: rather bad memory |
| 16:32.54 | Aid` | how do i check/configure my RAID support for my kernel |
| 16:33.05 | azeem | cyzie: so maybe run a memchecker |
| 16:33.09 | jelly | Naz__: it means your host can't connect to other people's idents then. |
| 16:33.15 | cyzie | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...badmemory?! i just bougth the new memory module about 5-6months back |
| 16:33.20 | Naz__ | huh? |
| 16:33.27 | cyzie | azeem, okay. thanks for the tips |
| 16:33.28 | Naz__ | can I just disable ident? XD |
| 16:33.44 | Naz__ | or set the timeout to like, a second? |
| 16:33.55 | cyzie | azeem, apt-get install memchecker? |
| 16:33.58 | jelly | Naz__: apparently, you can't do eg. telnet 213.191.139.215 113 |
| 16:34.00 | azeem | dunno |
| 16:34.02 | azeem | apt-cache search it |
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| 16:34.06 | ChitleshGoorah | hello |
| 16:34.12 | cyzie | azeem, none found |
| 16:34.18 | jelly | Naz__: that would be an option in your irc server. |
| 16:34.44 | ChitleshGoorah | someone can tell me what does the macro %{_libexecdir] means in debian os ? |
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| 16:34.57 | cyzie | azeem, in windows, i used to have checkdisk and disk defragment. im wondering if there is such tools exist in linux/debian ? |
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| 16:35.03 | azeem | ChitleshGoorah: the same as libdir |
| 16:35.10 | azeem | ChitleshGoorah: at least on GNU/Linux |
| 16:35.19 | Naz__ | What would it be to disable it in IRCU? |
| 16:35.29 | azeem | cyzie: don't ask specific people for follow-up questions, ask the chan |
| 16:35.36 | ChitleshGoorah | azeem: thanks |
| 16:35.38 | cyzie | azeem, okay |
| 16:35.43 | azeem | cyzie: checkdisk exists, and is run on bootup if needed |
| 16:35.52 | phaedrus44 | dude...wavemon kicks ass |
| 16:35.53 | sepski | cyzie, sych tools are filesystem dependant, the most used fielsystesms in linux do not need defrag tools, becouse they dont fragment in the first place. scandisk is the fsck.filesystem tool |
| 16:35.54 | FarrisG | For some reason, exim4 just went really screwy. It doesn't seem to be using my config. And if I dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, it does not write any changes to the conf files. But since the daemon doesn't seem to be reading my conf files, I'm totally lost anyway |
| 16:35.55 | FarrisG | any ideas? |
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| 16:36.01 | azeem | you can defragment partitions as well, but it's not so important on GNU/Linux |
| 16:36.51 | cyzie | azeem, sepski thanks |
| 16:37.08 | jelly | Naz__: I don't know. rtfm. Doesn't stall (much) for me though. |
| 16:37.15 | Naz__ | ok |
| 16:37.22 | cyzie | azeem, i cant find memchecker |
| 16:37.32 | Naz__ | well, I'll just disable it. What is it used for anyway? |
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| 16:37.35 | azeem | cyzie: maybe it is called differently |
| 16:37.39 | azeem | google for it |
| 16:38.15 | azeem | cyzie: I think there are also some memcheckers for boot memcheck boot floppies |
| 16:38.22 | azeem | yay, lag |
| 16:38.33 | cyzie | azeem, most noticibly live-cd |
| 16:38.41 | jelly | Naz__: nothing much these days. It was useful maybe 10 years ago when students irced from multiuser unix machines, and could have faked their usernames if it weren't for ident. |
| 16:40.17 | cyzie | bbl |
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| 16:41.12 | jelly | Naz__: what are you planning with an irc server, if I may inquire? |
| 16:41.38 | nbt | hi there's someone who 've been able to make a sis163u wi-fi usb card work ? or know any way (aprt ndsiwrapper) to make such a card work on ? |
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| 16:50.25 | anobain | can anybody guess what is this? (it seems a problem with the keyboard, no?)? |
| 16:50.34 | anobain | evbug.c: Event. Dev: isa0060/serio0/input0, Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0 |
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| 16:50.54 | anobain | it appears in dmesg, which is full of these messages |
| 16:51.03 | Naz__ | I'm just planning on using it for help/supprot for my website and hosting |
| 16:51.13 | Naz__ | And for general chat. |
| 16:51.56 | row | how can I make wget output to my terminal and not to a file? |
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| 16:52.49 | row | -O - :) |
| 16:53.01 | mdupont_ | does anyone know about the debian packaging of plone and zope? |
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| 16:56.38 | sparr | is there any way to get bash to not fail when i try to pass * as a command line parameter in a really large folder? |
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| 16:57.03 | stew | sparr: you probably want xargs, what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 16:57.28 | sparr | stew: pass a bunch of filenames to a program at once. xargs wont cut it. |
| 16:57.29 | nbt | hi there's someone who 've been able to make a sis163u wi-fi usb card work ? or know any way (aprt ndsiwrapper) to make such a card work on ? |
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| 16:58.48 | itchi | I'm looking for '/msg dpkg Sarge > Etch', but that's a bad one. Know you the right one ? |
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| 16:59.21 | dabreegster | !tell itchi about sarge->etch |
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| 16:59.32 | itchi | dabreegster: :-) |
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| 16:59.54 | dstar | How do I down grade a package? |
| 17:00.04 | raden | is there a scientific word processor for linux ? |
| 17:00.18 | Red_Cloud | Well, I bought my daughter a new laptop: Sony |
| 17:00.18 | Red_Cloud | -- |
| 17:00.18 | Red_Cloud | love, |
| 17:00.19 | Red_Cloud | daddy |
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| 17:00.25 | dstar | Specifically, how do I downgrades elinks to a version that STILL HAS BLOODY JAVASCRIPT? |
| 17:00.26 | stew | sparr: afaik what you are seeing is not a limitation of bash, but an underlying os limitation |
| 17:00.27 | dstar | Ahem |
| 17:00.31 | itchi | raden: Latex ?? |
| 17:00.33 | dstar | I'm a bit ticked, you see. |
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| 17:00.38 | sparr | stew: linux cant handle long command lines? |
| 17:00.40 | raden | itchi, have to check it out |
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| 17:00.56 | stew | dstar: links2 has javascript support |
| 17:00.58 | dabreegster | dstar: I'm not sure. But since when has elinks had working Javascript support? I know they're working on it, but still |
| 17:01.10 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 17:01.44 | dabreegster | dstar: I'm using 0.11.1 and it doesn't list JS in the features, nor has it ever worked, though it'd be nice if it did |
| 17:01.55 | itchi | raden: It's not realy an texteditor. But an way to write some type of docs |
| 17:02.43 | raden | itchi, need something for scientific formulas etc |
| 17:03.06 | Red_Cloud | I thought that I was going to paste the model of the Sony laptop but as you saw I had cut a salutation from my email previously. Sorry. It is a Sony VGN-SZ280P/C model laptop. Paid over $3500 for the laptop and now it will not allow an install of Linux on the disk!!!!! |
| 17:03.10 | dstar | dabreegster: ELinks 0.11.CVS has it. It works okay. I just upgraded to the latest version, and the bloody package maintaner has disabled it because 'it isn't useful'. My ass! It works fine for sites that can _only_ be navigated by javascript. |
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| 17:03.22 | potrpoifrp | hi |
| 17:03.26 | itchi | raden: I think latex is for you, but i'm not sure :-/ It's like writing some sgml docs, but that's whitout scientista formules |
| 17:03.31 | dstar | dabreegster: and trying to build it from source fails. |
| 17:03.41 | potrpoifrp | i've some issue with a webcam , does anyone could help me (vimicro webcam) |
| 17:03.41 | stew | sparr: i don't know if the limitation is in the kernel or in glibc |
| 17:03.48 | Red_Cloud | Something about "Trusted Computing" driver that will not allow Linux install. |
| 17:03.59 | stoned | what! link2 has javascript support?? Is this recent or something, because I remember it not working one time when I ran links2 -g |
| 17:04.11 | dabreegster | dstar: I agree that it would be useful. What fails when building from source? Also, where's the 'not useful' note? And there is an #elinks, if you need help compiling |
| 17:04.18 | stew | sparr: man links2 |
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| 17:04.25 | stoned | that was in the days of sarge testing |
| 17:04.32 | stoned | nevermind it guess it does work |
| 17:04.40 | dabreegster | dstar: Also, I dunno why they'd call it a 'CVS' version. elinks moved to GIT |
| 17:04.46 | keherman | Can anyone suggest a good distributed MD5 password cracking utility? |
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| 17:05.18 | dstar | dabreegster: hundreds of errors and warnings. An example: renderer.c:1945: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type |
| 17:05.28 | abrotman | keherman: wrong channel |
| 17:05.33 | stoned | keherman, password retrieval sounds better than password cracking |
| 17:05.45 | dabreegster | dstar: Can't really help, sorry. #elinks might be able to. Where was the note about the Debian maintainer disabling js? |
| 17:06.06 | roe_ | anyone familiar with rsnapshot here |
| 17:06.24 | keherman | i need a Linux util, heh, like crack crack-md5 |
| 17:06.39 | keherman | but someone might have used them and liked one over another? |
| 17:06.44 | stoned | dude, you won't find help in a support channel if you keep mentioning password 'cracking' |
| 17:06.51 | dstar | dabreegster: in the debian changelog: * Disable SpiderMonkey because it is not useful right now (closes: #302505) |
| 17:06.55 | keherman | stoned, the name of the package is "crack"! |
| 17:07.03 | keherman | stoned, aptitude search crack |
| 17:07.13 | stoned | try to ask in a professional manner about some sort of security analisysl tool on md5 security |
| 17:07.18 | stoned | then someone might actually answer you |
| 17:07.30 | stoned | right now it sounds like script kiddy looking for a crack tool |
| 17:07.34 | stoned | sorry |
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| 17:07.47 | keherman | stoned, i would like to recover a legitimate MD5 password -- can someone recommend the fastest way to recovery? |
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| 17:07.59 | dabreegster | dstar: I see that too. Hmm. Maybe it isn't in a working state right now. I see 0.12 on the elinks page as unstable, I think I'll try compiling just to see if it's in a working condition |
| 17:08.00 | stoned | I don't know of any |
| 17:08.01 | abrotman | keherman: apt-cache search <search terms> |
| 17:08.10 | abrotman | keherman: or like a normal person .. ask google |
| 17:08.16 | ram_einstein | where can I find audiotag? it doesn't seem to be in my testing repos or in marillat |
| 17:08.21 | marco13185 | keherman, you'll spend the rest of your life brute-forcing the hash, don't bother |
| 17:08.30 | keherman | abrotman, google is not a person and has no feelings |
| 17:09.00 | abrotman | keherman: go google .. |
| 17:09.02 | marco13185 | keherman, no one ever ATTRIBUTED FEELINGS to google. Just ask google |
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| 17:09.14 | Tiouttchev | lut |
| 17:09.14 | roe_ | I am trying to get rsnapshot( a front end for rsync) to backup multiple paths in one backup, any ideas? |
| 17:09.35 | mbishop | I asked google why my dog died and it made fun of my mother |
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| 17:09.35 | keherman | marcels, do you prefer openoffice or koffice? |
| 17:09.36 | stoned | mbishop, lol |
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| 17:09.53 | abrotman | keherman: don't be so freaking lazy .. go ask google |
| 17:09.55 | dabreegster | marco13185: Incorrect. I once stumbled across a page whose author declared his utter belief in Google's soul and conciousness. Google can sin, apparently. |
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| 17:10.03 | GeorgeS069 | howdy folks |
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| 17:10.13 | keherman | marcels, because thats like the same question -- people who use one over another have some experience with it intimately |
| 17:10.20 | marco13185 | keherman, the only solution for you might be raimbow tables |
| 17:10.22 | marco13185 | *rainbow |
| 17:10.25 | keherman | that experience cant always be googled |
| 17:10.28 | abrotman | keherman: if you can't use `apt-cache search <search terms>` or google because you're too lazy .. why would we want to help you? |
| 17:10.29 | marco13185 | very efficient, but very large |
| 17:10.39 | drasko | hi all, I have problems installing gnome: gnome: Depends: gnome-office (= 1:2.12.3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 17:10.42 | keherman | abrotman, i already told you i installed crack-md5 |
| 17:10.46 | abrotman | so use it |
| 17:10.56 | marco13185 | keherman, man crack-md5 |
| 17:11.00 | marco13185 | man pages exist for a reason |
| 17:11.01 | dabreegster | drasko: It seems JS is disabled by default in the elinks source package due to its instability, according to http://bugzilla.elinks.or.cz/show_bug.cgi?id=63 |
| 17:11.02 | keherman | abrotman, i'm asking for a distributed version |
| 17:11.03 | Red_Cloud | So, my daughter reformatted hard drive and installed a retail version of XP pro. Did you know that Sony does not supply a OEM install disk? And WILL NOT supply a OEM install disk! This laptop was the "top of the line" Sony laptop. Live and learn. |
| 17:11.11 | stew | drasko: get us the info in /msg dpkg bat |
| 17:11.13 | abrotman | keherman: google .. |
| 17:11.31 | stoned | Doogal |
| 17:11.34 | stoned | funny flick |
| 17:11.36 | marco13185 | Red_Cloud, so, just pirate an OEM version and use the key |
| 17:11.39 | marco13185 | what's the big deal |
| 17:11.43 | jelly | keherman: is this like a /etc/shadow md5 password, or just a md5sum of something? |
| 17:11.48 | Red_Cloud | Now she can install Linux. Happy days are here again. |
| 17:11.51 | abrotman | marco13185: don't advocate illegal things in here |
| 17:11.54 | keherman | jelly, postgresql MD5 salt/hash |
| 17:11.57 | stew | marco13185: that's not appropriate in here |
| 17:12.10 | marco13185 | abrotman, the legality is questionable, because you bougt the license |
| 17:12.13 | marco13185 | which is the key |
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| 17:12.22 | stoned | exactly |
| 17:12.23 | keherman | recovering the password for a has legally is not illegal |
| 17:12.28 | stoned | if it is questionable, keep it out |
| 17:12.29 | dabreegster | drasko: Er, that was for dstar, sorry |
| 17:12.33 | abrotman | marco13185: look .. you just told him to pirate something .. that's illegal as per the terms of the license .. don't do it |
| 17:12.34 | stoned | this is only DFSG |
| 17:12.39 | obscure | i'm trying to setup an encrypted swap with cryptsetup in testnig |
| 17:12.40 | stoned | plus contrib and some nonfree |
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| 17:12.44 | jelly | keherman: if it weren't salted, you could use some of those rainbow-table crackers on the net. |
| 17:12.44 | obscure | it doesnt work |
| 17:12.52 | obscure | anyone using crypted swap ? |
| 17:13.13 | stoned | encrypted swap space, interesting |
| 17:13.19 | Red_Cloud | marco13185 there is no OEM version in existence. They only supply "recovery" disks which are NOT install disks. But she installed a retail version of XP and now can also install Linux |
| 17:13.45 | marco13185 | HP is a little retarded with their quickplay feature |
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| 17:14.00 | jelly | keherman: but as it stands, you're going to have to write the distributed cracker (or generate the tables, much the same thing) yourself. |
| 17:14.09 | marco13185 | if you reinstall XP, I hear that it stops working, and they refuse to give you instructions on how to re-enable it |
| 17:14.12 | stew | Red_Cloud: marco13185: please take it to a more appropriate channel |
| 17:14.27 | Gnurdux | ok when i got Xorg 7.0 (im in testing) my 3d accel stopped working due to a problem with the new intel driver.. what version should i compile to get things working? |
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| 17:15.00 | marco13185 | dpkg, boo |
| 17:15.18 | drasko | stew, here it is: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 17:15.29 | Gnurdux | please, can somebody help me? |
| 17:15.32 | stew | drasko: no we need the url at the top of the page that ends in a number |
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| 17:15.38 | dabreegster | Gnurdux: Run glxinfo or glxgears and see what happens. Does it segfault? |
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| 17:15.44 | abrotman | Gnurdux: come on .. gravity gave you the solution(and other options) last night |
| 17:15.48 | drasko | oh, sorry |
| 17:15.54 | aboyousif | !jedit |
| 17:15.55 | dpkg | hmm... jedit is an extensible programmers editor, refer to http://jedit.sourceforge.net.deb package available on their website, nice xml editing facilities |
| 17:15.55 | Gnurdux | abrotman, i know, im choosing to compile myself |
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| 17:16.01 | drasko | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2879 |
| 17:16.03 | abrotman | Gnurdux: then go to #xorg |
| 17:16.03 | Gnurdux | i want to know what version to compile |
| 17:16.06 | Gnurdux | i am |
| 17:16.11 | Gnurdux | they aren't answering |
| 17:16.14 | aboyousif | Gnurdux, abrotman hi all |
| 17:16.16 | abrotman | !they don't know |
| 17:16.16 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 17:16.21 | stew | dondelelcaro: would it be possible to make the results of a paste on paster go to the actual url of the paste instead of returning to http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste (since people end up pasting that url here instaead)? |
| 17:16.22 | Gnurdux | they did say that 7.1 drivers wont work with 7.0 |
| 17:16.43 | Red_Cloud | marco13185 that is correct. So she merely reformatted the hard drive and started with a clean disk. I thought that this whole deal sucked to high heaven on a purchase of a top of the line laptop. Anyway thanks for the response. I needed to vent a little and as stew said, this is not the appropriate channel for my rant. Later...... |
| 17:16.47 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i don't understand .. gravity gave you the EXACT solution to your problem .. why didn't you use it |
| 17:16.57 | aboyousif | Gnurdux, still hanged with driver matter ? |
| 17:16.57 | Gnurdux | abrotman, you mean mesa from unstable? |
| 17:17.06 | Gnurdux | *experimental |
| 17:17.12 | stew | drasko: you are trying to mix testing and stable? |
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| 17:17.48 | stew | drasko: which version of debian do you think you are running? |
| 17:18.12 | drasko | stew, I guess... I just added these repos. I am running sarge. Should I do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 17:18.26 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 17:18.33 | jelly | Gnurdux: xorg 7.0 here, I installed that dri snapshot drivers mentioned on the wiki and they work. |
| 17:18.44 | jelly | s/that/those/ |
| 17:18.49 | Gnurdux | jelly, an intel i8** card? |
| 17:19.01 | stew | drasko: you shouldn't mix stable with non-stable, if you want newer packages on stable use backports, /msg dpkg backports ; you can install a newer gnome from bpo: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:19.04 | jelly | Gnurdux: i915 |
| 17:19.11 | Gnurdux | ahh |
| 17:19.15 | Gnurdux | jelly, can you give me a link :P |
| 17:19.37 | jelly | Gnurdux: follow what abrotman said ^^^ |
| 17:19.40 | abrotman | jelly: he's been given the solution multiple times .. and for some reason won't do it |
| 17:19.46 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 17:19.53 | brandini | _mx: I sure do like encrypting my swap space |
| 17:20.15 | jelly | abrotman: oh well. |
| 17:20.24 | jelly | Rome wasn't burnt in one day. |
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| 17:20.39 | brandini | sng!!! |
| 17:20.46 | Gnurdux | jelly, abrotman thabjs |
| 17:20.49 | Gnurdux | *thanks |
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| 17:21.11 | abrotman | jelly: most of it was :) |
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| 17:22.03 | jelly | 3D on this i915 is dog slow, though |
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| 17:22.16 | Gnurdux | lemme see if this works |
| 17:22.28 | abrotman | jelly: do you even have DRI working? |
| 17:22.33 | jelly | abrotman: yes. |
| 17:22.38 | abrotman | jelly: i have an 85x .. i get more than that |
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| 17:23.09 | jelly | abrotman: it uses shared memory, so I didn't expect much, but maybe a little bit more than this. |
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| 17:23.29 | abrotman | jelly: so does mine .. |
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| 17:23.48 | itchi | Wath is the maximum speed of an 10/100 network card in kB/s ? |
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| 17:24.26 | stew | itchi: the theoretical maximum or the practical maximum? |
| 17:24.41 | itchi | stew: The both :-/ |
| 17:25.03 | abrotman | 42 |
| 17:25.03 | jelly | abrotman: most xscreensaver-gl thingies work acceptably fast, but anything with bigger textures gets real slow, like mplayer -vo gl, or google earth. |
| 17:25.04 | stew | itchi: do you mean kilobits or kibibits? |
| 17:25.23 | jelly | itchi: 12.5 MB/s, a bit lower. |
| 17:25.28 | stew | i mean s/bits/bytes/g |
| 17:25.31 | itchi | stew 55% [903 fgfs-base 129318836/161MB 80%] 1164kB/s 8m27s |
| 17:25.49 | abrotman | jelly: eh .. i don't use mplayer or google earth .. i'd need another example :) |
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| 17:26.12 | itchi | I look to my download, my isp have uprgraded. So i want to know if my 10/100 card are speed enought |
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| 17:26.16 | jelly | itchi: for local lan, 11-12MB/s is good. I get 8-9MB/s from our debian mirror. |
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| 17:26.45 | itchi | jelly: So it's good here ? |
| 17:26.45 | Gnurdux | i tried that, it doesn't work because i have an i830 and they don't have an i830 snapshot |
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| 17:27.06 | abrotman | i810 maybe? |
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| 17:27.18 | Gnurdux | yea, but its using the i830 file |
| 17:27.19 | jelly | itchi: let's just say your 100Base-TX card won't be the bottleneck. |
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| 17:27.22 | Gnurdux | ill tyr deleting that |
| 17:27.22 | arschkind | #vista |
| 17:27.23 | Gnurdux | 1 sec |
| 17:27.39 | jelly | itchi: unless you have 100Mbps to the home. |
| 17:28.19 | itchi | jelly: I search to my mail to know the exact speed that the isp give now |
| 17:28.20 | abrotman | does gnurdux know about irssi? |
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| 17:30.14 | Naz___ | I'm using Unreal IRCD and whenever I do a /chanserv or /nickserv command it says that the services are down. What's going on? |
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| 17:30.38 | itchi | jelly: Yeah, i think i have look bad to my mail :-/ He give now 10 Mbps. I was thinking he gave more. I'm crazy and i suck it's looks |
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| 17:31.17 | jelly | itchi: 1164kB/s is very good for a nominal 10Mbps connection. |
| 17:31.26 | Red_Cloud | Naz___ shouldn't you be using /msg nickserv ? |
| 17:31.36 | Naz___ | I'll try |
| 17:31.41 | itchi | jelly: Yeah, i had view an zero or 2 to many |
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| 17:32.50 | Naz___ | But /nickserv isn't working |
| 17:33.08 | Naz___ | It says "Services are down" whenever I try using it. |
| 17:33.11 | stew | Naz___: we're not likely to be able to help you with some other irc network. try "/stats p" and see if any staffers are listed for that network, and ask them |
| 17:33.17 | Ronin | Naz___: then be patient and wait |
| 17:33.34 | itchi | jelly & stew : Again thanks for you're usefull informations ;-) |
| 17:33.37 | blondie | Naz___: doesn't sounds like a debian question ;p |
| 17:33.45 | jelly | blondie, stew: it's his own irc server. |
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| 17:33.58 | Naz___ | Yes, but Unreal doesn't seem to have its own channel. |
| 17:34.02 | Ronin | jelly: ack |
| 17:34.03 | blondie | jelly: still doesn't sound like a debian question |
| 17:34.06 | blondie | Naz___: so? |
| 17:34.22 | jelly | blondie: it is a D. package though. |
| 17:34.23 | Tassium | Naz___: Did you check the docs for the server you're using to see how to set up services? |
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| 17:34.44 | Naz___ | This is really important and I need help. I've already rtfm with no avail. |
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| 17:34.53 | Tassium | Naz___: http://www.vulnscan.org/UnrealIrcd/faq/#49 |
| 17:34.58 | abrotman | an ircd is really important? |
| 17:35.00 | Naz___ | I'll recheck, but last time I didn't see anything. |
| 17:35.21 | Naz___ | I need it for something extremely important |
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| 17:35.30 | Ronin | abrotman: apparenlty, |
| 17:35.35 | jelly | Naz___: is google your friend? unreal ircd "setting up services" OR services OR nickserv ? |
| 17:35.37 | Ronin | Naz___: i have to ask, whats so important |
| 17:35.38 | Gnurdux | this stuff stil isnt woking |
| 17:35.39 | abrotman | Ronin: i'm skeptical :) |
| 17:35.44 | Ronin | abrotman: likewise |
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| 17:36.06 | abrotman | how the hell is an ircd extremely important? |
| 17:36.09 | jelly | Naz___: hey, if it's _extremely_ important, my consultant rates are reasonable. |
| 17:36.24 | abrotman | jelly: beer? |
| 17:36.31 | Naz___ | nvm, the link hleps |
| 17:36.35 | Naz___ | helps* |
| 17:36.36 | jelly | let's not dismiss this fine young gentleman immediately. |
| 17:36.38 | jelly | ;-) |
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| 17:36.47 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 17:37.10 | ribnitz | Is xfce4 reported broken, as of sid? |
| 17:37.34 | stew | ribnitz: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 17:38.19 | jelly | abrotman: beer and 30 EUR/hr (but I'm flexible) |
| 17:38.20 | ribnitz | stew: I kinda have like a non-graphical system atm. |
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| 17:38.46 | jelly | abrotman: I also accept chocolate. |
| 17:39.14 | stew | ribnitz: use a console based browser like w3m lynx links2 elinks, or use querybts |
| 17:39.24 | Gnurdux | i got the snapshots for both drivers; still doesnt work |
| 17:39.33 | Gnurdux | i think its because its not finding thee i830 one |
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| 17:40.34 | Gnurdux | but maybe not |
| 17:40.49 | ribnitz | stew: Other idea: Any recommendations of something that reomtely looks like xfce? |
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| 17:40.57 | Gnurdux | jelly, any reason why the snapshots might not work? |
| 17:41.02 | itchi | jelly: What mean you with chocolate?? |
| 17:41.10 | stew | ribnitz: i don't know what xfce looks like |
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| 17:41.29 | itchi | jelly: Some '/msg dpkg shit' ?? |
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| 17:41.44 | ribnitz | stew: That thing that sun used to promote. What was it called again, std. env on solaris? |
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| 17:42.20 | abrotman | 30/hr? |
| 17:42.21 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:42.40 | stew | ribnitz: i dunno |
| 17:42.41 | abrotman | Gnurdux: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN i830 DRIVER .. IT IS i810 |
| 17:42.52 | stew | easy |
| 17:43.02 | Gnurdux | abrotman, i had one on my system before... wel in the dri thing |
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| 17:43.19 | abrotman | gravity gave him the 100% correct and easiest solution last night .. and he won't do it |
| 17:43.22 | Gnurdux | abrotman, do ls /usr/lib/dri |
| 17:43.31 | Gnurdux | abrotman, which one are you talking about? |
| 17:43.34 | ribnitz | the i810 was a graphics chip from intel, popular at some tiome. |
| 17:43.37 | itchi | abrotman: I was calculating how mush the doctor ask here. 2 people at hour of each on of 22 euro's |
| 17:43.50 | abrotman | you see doctors two at a time? |
| 17:43.55 | Gnurdux | the mesa from experimental one? |
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| 17:44.29 | jelly | Gnurdux, if there's no i830_drv in the i810 shapshot, you're out of luck. try the alternate solution. |
| 17:44.29 | itchi | abrotman: No i mean that the doctor has an average of 2 people at an hour. So he get 44 euro's / hour |
| 17:44.29 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:44.52 | Gnurdux | jelly, OK |
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| 17:44.58 | Gnurdux | so upgrade mesa? |
| 17:45.05 | marco13185 | on average, how long does it take for new releases of the kernel to make it into unstable? |
| 17:45.14 | abrotman | years |
| 17:45.37 | marco13185 | haha |
| 17:45.57 | itchi | abrotman: The expencifest technician i have view asked 75 euro's / hour |
| 17:46.16 | abrotman | Gnurdux: there is an i830_drm in the snapshot .. it's still the i810 driver |
| 17:46.18 | itchi | abrotman: Crazy guy :-/ |
| 17:46.29 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 17:46.37 | abrotman | itchi: i went to a site .. the oracle guys charged $500USD/hour |
| 17:46.39 | ribnitz | itchi: those poor technicians need to live of something... |
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| 17:47.38 | itchi | The world are stone :-/ |
| 17:48.16 | whaq|away | stone? |
| 17:48.24 | ribnitz | itchi: If you were such a technician, and like him, had a starving famliy to feed.. |
| 17:48.34 | whaq | say, does anyone know a good ldap ui? web preferably |
| 17:48.39 | jelly | itchi: Re: chocolate, if one thinks beer is a reasonable pay, then I would accept good chocolate too. (plus those 30 EUR/hr, of course) |
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| 17:48.48 | abrotman | lable .. or whatever it's called |
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| 17:49.45 | goron | I lost all my icons in evolution. Reinstalling via apt-get didn't help. Any suggestions? |
| 17:50.02 | itchi | goron: with --purge ?? |
| 17:50.10 | jdv79 | anyone well versed with mkswap - I'm getting "mkswap: error: swap area needs to be at least 40kB" but I'm just giving it an unused partition as the sole arg so it should be good, right? |
| 17:50.20 | goron | itchi: I don't want to purge my settings. |
| 17:50.23 | ribnitz | goron: get rid of your local, possibly corrupted lutioon settings? |
| 17:50.26 | jdv79 | the partition is 2G |
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| 17:50.33 | itchi | goron: copy / paste ?? |
| 17:50.47 | goron | itchi: Most of the time that doesn't work, in my experience. |
| 17:50.48 | itchi | goron: I mean of you're data. |
| 17:50.54 | itchi | goron: Sure ?? |
| 17:50.55 | goron | itchi: I understand |
| 17:51.03 | goron | itchi: yep, did that with kde too, once. |
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| 17:51.11 | itchi | goron: once ... |
| 17:51.21 | WizCraker | how do I copy directies through cli ftp? |
| 17:51.33 | ribnitz | jdv79: Are you on a 32 bit system? |
| 17:51.46 | goron | itchi: I think I will install (Evolution) from source. That almost never breaks. |
| 17:51.56 | goron | itchi: or first test it as a different user. |
| 17:51.58 | itchi | goron: You're bad i think |
| 17:52.03 | jdv79 | i don't know |
| 17:52.18 | goron | itchi: I am bad? |
| 17:52.22 | abrotman | jdv79: did you tell the system that it was ok to use the partition for swap? |
| 17:52.43 | jdv79 | abrotman: i didn't know i had to |
| 17:52.44 | itchi | goron: No, what you need to do. First backup you're important data of Evolution. Completele remove evolution --purge, and installing again. Setting again you're mail |
| 17:52.54 | ribnitz | jdv79: P4 something or other, without xeon, not AMD64, and no talk of em64t? |
| 17:52.54 | jdv79 | its not mounted or listed in /etc/fstab |
| 17:53.18 | itchi | goron: I mean on the bad way. Sorry, i not mean you're a bad one :-/ Sorry |
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| 17:53.32 | jdv79 | its a xeon 3.4 |
| 17:53.41 | itchi | goron: Some time i forget words. :-/ |
| 17:53.47 | jdv79 | wouldn't the kernelname say something about 64 if it was? |
| 17:54.00 | jdv79 | kernel name i meant |
| 17:54.05 | goron | itchi: Reconfiguring all my e-mailaccounts? |
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| 17:54.24 | itchi | goron: No, once you're installed again, you're place you're files?? |
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| 17:55.16 | itchi | goron: That's why you copy you're data of evolution |
| 17:55.40 | dabreegster | itchi: You aren't plural! |
| 17:55.54 | goron | itchi: I understand, but I have little trust in it. All(broadly generalizing) these opensource things don't care about peoples data. |
| 17:55.54 | itchi | dabreegster: I'm bad :-/ |
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| 17:56.11 | itchi | goron: How so?? You're sure ?? |
| 17:56.15 | Red_Cloud | he's just using the "royal are" |
| 17:56.15 | jelly | itchi: You're not bad, you're funny. :-) |
| 17:56.25 | dabreegster | itchi: That's better. At least you didn't say I are bad. You'll learn, I guess. |
| 17:56.28 | itchi | jelly: I'm Dutch :-P |
| 17:56.37 | jdv79 | forget it - my mistake, as ususal:) |
| 17:56.45 | goron | itchi: I have experience. |
| 17:56.55 | itchi | dabreegster: ;-) I learn Debian, English, new nice guys. The _best_ things :-) |
| 17:57.17 | dabreegster | itchi: I agree |
| 17:57.29 | itchi | :-) |
| 17:58.20 | jelly | !marillay |
| 17:58.34 | itchi | jelly: You're also funny ;-) |
| 17:58.40 | dabreegster | marillat? |
| 17:58.43 | jelly | yes |
| 17:58.45 | jelly | typo |
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| 17:59.20 | jelly | there's no deb-src in the factoids. |
| 17:59.42 | g333k | Hi, do you know is there a front end to manage LVM (resizing, etc)? |
| 18:00.06 | itchi | jelly: '/msg dpkg deb-src' ?? |
| 18:00.21 | jelly | itchi: no, I mean for marillat's repository. |
| 18:00.57 | itchi | jelly: Arh, it's because it's non-free apps :-/ Theoretically we are not allowed to modify :-/ |
| 18:01.36 | Gnurdux | jelly, so what exactly do i need to do?> |
| 18:01.41 | stew | itchi: no, its not that we can't modify them, but that we can't legally distribute them |
| 18:02.00 | Gnurdux | do i need to replace the drv files as well? |
| 18:02.24 | itchi | stew: hhhmm ;-) |
| 18:03.19 | jelly | Gnurdux: d'uh, just replace every file that's available in the i810 snapshot tar.gz. |
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| 18:03.43 | Gnurdux | jelly, should i replace the i830 file with hte i810 one from the snapshot? |
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| 18:05.06 | itchi | stew: But marrilat distribute it, right? So that is not legally right? |
| 18:05.24 | jelly | Gnurdux: no. You have the snapshot, right. There was a number of files in the tar.gz, right? Was there a i830_dri.so in there too? If it was, put it in /usr/lib/dri. If there was no i830_dri.so, then you're out of luck and will have to try something else. |
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| 18:06.42 | itchi | stew: I'm a bit frustrated |
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| 18:08.27 | Gnurdux | i replaced the dri and the drv, and even overwrote the i830 file with the i810 file from the snapshot, and still no luck |
| 18:08.42 | itchi | abrotman: Thanks, i need it 28 C here |
| 18:08.47 | abrotman | wussy |
| 18:08.59 | stew | itchi: afaik, yes, marillat is distributing some software illegally. it might not be the case for you to download from him, that would depend on the laws of your country and that of his. |
| 18:09.06 | abrotman | Currently: |
| 18:09.06 | abrotman | 30 |
| 18:09.20 | abrotman | and that's my week :) |
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| 18:09.39 | xjkx | sorry for this offtopic but anyone out there know how do I test if the xdialog is installed on a shellscript programming? like if [ xdialog not instaled ] then... |
| 18:09.42 | mbishop | 28C is hot? heh |
| 18:09.49 | marco13185 | is the amd64 version of debian compatible with 32 bit binaries? |
| 18:09.54 | Gnurdux | jelly, any ideas? |
| 18:09.56 | abrotman | mbishop: i don't get it either |
| 18:10.04 | itchi | stew: I have chances here. I may allowed to use it :-) |
| 18:10.09 | abrotman | marco13185: multiarch doesn't exist yet .. you'll need a chroot |
| 18:10.24 | abrotman | xjkx: test -f ? |
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| 18:10.29 | mbishop | it's 33C here, with a heat index of 37C :/ |
| 18:10.35 | mbishop | and 52% humidity |
| 18:10.37 | abrotman | mbishop: texas? |
| 18:10.42 | mbishop | louisiana |
| 18:10.45 | marco13185 | wait, how would chrooting allow me to run 32 bit binaries on a 64 bit OS? |
| 18:10.51 | abrotman | mbishop: how's taht rain? :) |
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| 18:10.59 | mbishop | it's not raining here...yet :P |
| 18:11.00 | dabreegster | mbishop: 52% humidity? Lucky. |
| 18:11.05 | xjkx | how would it work... if [ -f /bin/xdialog ] then ? |
| 18:11.09 | itchi | mbishop: Here most time rain, rain, rain |
| 18:11.09 | abrotman | dabreegster: that's what it is in philly too |
| 18:11.26 | abrotman | xjkx: except for one thing .. xdialog might not be in /bin/ |
| 18:11.26 | stew | marco13185: the kernel supports both, so as long as you have 32 bit libraries, your 32 bit binaries will run fine |
| 18:11.38 | abrotman | xjkx: might have more luck in #bash |
| 18:11.39 | stew | marco13185: assuming you are talking about amd64 |
| 18:11.52 | marco13185 | stew, ya, I'm planning on building an amd64 system |
| 18:12.37 | mbishop | dabreegster: yeah, typically it's like 80% here, always hot and stick >_< |
| 18:13.05 | dabreegster | mbishop: I'd love to live in Arizona or something. Or at least Florida, where there's a breeze to ward off mosquitoes. |
| 18:13.29 | marco13185 | mosquitos aren't that bad down here in florida |
| 18:13.33 | marco13185 | only at night |
| 18:14.07 | itchi | So i need to be happy with the local weather here it's looks :-/ Ok i no more complain of my _good_ weather ;-) |
| 18:14.10 | ktwilight | . |
| 18:14.12 | Petrov | I want install debian (desktop). What's better? stable or testing |
| 18:14.17 | ktwilight | testing |
| 18:14.20 | abrotman | stable! |
| 18:14.22 | dabreegster | Petrov: Probably testing for desktop use |
| 18:14.25 | formorer | stable |
| 18:14.30 | ktwilight | stable for first timers... |
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| 18:14.43 | mbishop | mosquitos are really abd at night here, but in fall they are out all the time, and west nile virus is everyone :/ |
| 18:14.45 | C2H5OH | hello all |
| 18:14.47 | formorer | and to anybody: don't recommend anything else than stable to newbies |
| 18:14.57 | stew | hear hear |
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| 18:15.06 | abrotman | wait .. i remember coldboot .. he works for some company ... |
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| 18:15.11 | abrotman | !beer formorer |
| 18:15.18 | dabreegster | mbishop: I've only been during summer. West Nile was bad here a year or so ago. |
| 18:15.22 | itchi | I'm migrating to Etch :-P he he, but you know he, for some little developments ... |
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| 18:15.32 | Gnurdux | jelly, now i've replaced i810 AND i915 and it still doesnt work |
| 18:15.42 | abrotman | i would have used mesa from experimental |
| 18:15.44 | Gnurdux | i put hte i810 file on top of the i830 one, could that have done it? |
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| 18:15.59 | coldboot | abrotman: haha, rather than being unemployed or working for some mafia? |
| 18:16.08 | jelly | Gnurdux: you shouldn't have renamed the files. |
| 18:16.10 | ktwilight | but aren't there some new hardware that isn't compatible with sarge? |
| 18:16.12 | coldboot | abrotman: I worked for Xandros as a coop job |
| 18:16.15 | ktwilight | or am i just dreaming... |
| 18:16.23 | Gnurdux | jelly, ill just reinstall the packages and get mesa from experiemental |
| 18:16.27 | Petrov | but stable is 'old' software? |
| 18:16.37 | abrotman | coldboot: hey .. at least i remembered that mcuh .. it was months ago |
| 18:16.44 | coldboot | abrotman: yar |
| 18:16.56 | ktwilight | Petrov, it really depends on what ya use it for. :/ |
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| 18:17.06 | jdv79 | "wrote partition table but re-read failed" - is that bad? |
| 18:17.07 | abrotman | coldboot: you're the one that told me they use computers in canada! |
| 18:17.08 | coldboot | Does anyone know of a cheap modem that works in Linux? It's hard to find what chipset one is before you buy it. I need cheap because I need to order tons of 'em. |
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| 18:17.20 | abrotman | coldboot: how cheap is cheap? |
| 18:17.23 | itchi | Petrov: It depend what you mean with old. Look to the 'Notepad' of $M it's at least 10 years that it's no more worked on it |
| 18:17.25 | coldboot | abrotman: Ah yes, the hilarious "I'm an American and don't know anything about Canada" jokes. =) |
| 18:17.25 | DoppleGanger | he he |
| 18:17.28 | coldboot | abrotman: under 15 bucks |
| 18:17.28 | abrotman | coldboot: and a hardware modem .. or anything ? |
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| 18:17.45 | fuzzybunny | hello all |
| 18:17.45 | coldboot | abrotman: Hardware would be best, but as long as a winmodem works in linux, that would be fine. I figure winmodems will be cheaper. |
| 18:17.48 | abrotman | coldboot: ISA or PCI ? |
| 18:17.52 | dabreegster | coldboot: external modem for under $15? I wish. |
| 18:18.02 | Gnurdux | is there any easy way to get apt to reinstall a pakcage, without reinstalling everythign that depends on it |
| 18:18.09 | itchi | Petrov: I mean the $M people no more continue to add some features |
| 18:18.12 | DoppleGanger | Gnurdux: rtm |
| 18:18.15 | Gnurdux | rtm? |
| 18:18.18 | fuzzybunny | can anyone help a linux noobie configure Squid on Debian, residing on a Celeron 300 for use as an internal proxy? |
| 18:18.22 | fuzzybunny | and IDS |
| 18:18.22 | dbe | is SATA2 disk drives compatible with SATA(1) interfaces? |
| 18:18.27 | Gnurdux | DoppleGanger, ? |
| 18:18.28 | abrotman | you can probably pick up about a thousand ISA 28.8 modems for $100 :) |
| 18:18.28 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 18:18.31 | coldboot | abrotman: PCI internal |
| 18:18.45 | abrotman | coldboot: the only hardware modem PCI that i know of is made by USR |
| 18:18.59 | coldboot | abrotman: They're expensive though, right? |
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| 18:19.10 | coldboot | abrotman: A Winmodem with Linux drivers will suffice |
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| 18:19.18 | coldboot | abrotman: I don't think there are hardware modems under 15 bucks |
| 18:19.24 | Petrov | ok, stable then :d |
| 18:19.30 | stew | Gnurdux: apt-get install --reinstall packagename |
| 18:19.36 | abrotman | http://www.usr.com/products/home/home-product.asp?sku=USR5610B |
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| 18:19.38 | Gnurdux | stew, thanks |
| 18:19.40 | abrotman | coldboot: not even close |
| 18:19.52 | abrotman | coldboot: check linmodem.org .. or linmodems .. whatever it is |
| 18:20.05 | fuzzybunny | stew, can you help a linux retard setup Squid? |
| 18:20.12 | coldboot | abrotman: They only list chipsets, which stupid online retailers fail to mention most of the time |
| 18:20.14 | abrotman | dbe: yes .. some need jumpers though |
| 18:20.23 | abrotman | coldboot: might have a list of devices |
| 18:20.34 | Petrov | to later, I will install debian |
| 18:20.45 | dbe | abrotman, ok, thank you |
| 18:20.46 | coldboot | abrotman: ooh, they do |
| 18:20.46 | abrotman | coldboot: or check the manuf website for a driver |
| 18:20.53 | abrotman | dbe: #hardware for more info |
| 18:20.58 | stew | fuzzybunny: iirc you just "apt-get install squid" then setup some ACLs that allow people to use it. read /usr/share/doc/squid/* about setting up the acls |
| 18:21.02 | dbe | ok |
| 18:21.02 | coldboot | abrotman: Their website is ugly, hard to see this stuff |
| 18:21.35 | EEap | Hi, I just installed a new kernel in my debian etch and when I rebooted it, didnt worked anymore...how can I use a image disk?? Debian have one? I searched in documentation but didnt found much |
| 18:21.42 | fuzzybunny | stew, I wish I could do it that easily |
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| 18:22.13 | fuzzybunny | stew, I was just looking to make sure people knew of this before actually doing it because I'm prob going to need some help and will learn a lot |
| 18:22.31 | fuzzybunny | stew, I'm hoping to use it as an internal proxy/IDS if possible |
| 18:22.41 | fuzzybunny | stew, and wanted to know if the application was fitting |
| 18:22.48 | stew | squid as an IDS? |
| 18:23.06 | jdv79 | cfdisk caused my heart rate to jump for a minute there |
| 18:23.08 | fuzzybunny | stew, would that require another application? |
| 18:23.41 | jdv79 | not exactly funny to have a tool issue an ambiguous failure message when partioning a disk on a live box |
| 18:23.41 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 18:23.52 | abrotman | jdv79: say a prayer and reboot? :) |
| 18:24.01 | jdv79 | i did and it was answered |
| 18:24.06 | maikol | how can i update my current kernel |
| 18:24.19 | stew | fuzzybunny: for an IDS you probably want snort. squid is not an IDS, just a proxy |
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| 18:24.40 | C2H5OH | anyone has tried migrating from Ubuntu 6.06 to Debian testing without reinstalling? |
| 18:24.48 | fuzzybunny | stew, ok...I guess I'll drop Squid on that box for the meantime though |
| 18:25.01 | fuzzybunny | stew, thank you for the help I'll prob be back shortly |
| 18:25.13 | jdv79 | thank the gods:) that would have ruined my otherwise decent day |
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| 18:25.22 | stew | C2H5OH: mixing ubuntu and debian is not considered a good idea, and not supported here |
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| 18:25.41 | C2H5OH | I was not really intended to mix them |
| 18:25.47 | takedown_ | hi there |
| 18:25.47 | C2H5OH | but to migrate from the former to the latter |
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| 18:26.12 | takedown_ | Someone installing sarge on hardware raid1? |
| 18:26.56 | Spec | Any particular reason my 'init' on one of my debian-sarge servers is taking 99.9% cpu? |
| 18:27.03 | jair | guys I am trying to back up my home directory from hda1 to an external hard drive mounted and working properly. the error I am gettting in some of the files is:rsync: chown "/usbdrive/debian1_bk/jair/patch_20060602/depot" failed: Operation not permitted (1) |
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| 18:27.12 | dn4 | how do I get the svn command? |
| 18:27.22 | Spec | apt-get install subversion |
| 18:27.36 | Spec | dn4: ^^ |
| 18:27.53 | dn4 | thank you |
| 18:28.30 | stew | C2H5OH: we would recommend you just install debian, /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 18:28.45 | takedown_ | so, no one trying to install sarge on hardware raid1? |
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| 18:29.01 | C2H5OH | stew: ok, is it safe to install it without formatting the root partition? |
| 18:29.25 | C2H5OH | stew: (I mean, having Ubuntu there) |
| 18:30.00 | stew | C2H5OH: that sounds like a bad idea. can you not backup the data you need and start fresh? |
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| 18:30.22 | C2H5OH | stew: of course, I only wanted to know if there was a shortcut |
| 18:30.41 | C2H5OH | stew: you know, lazyness is a big obstacle sometimes ;-) |
| 18:31.26 | jair | stew: are you familiar with the use of rsync? |
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| 18:31.36 | Roey | HI!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:31.39 | Roey | (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) |
| 18:31.43 | Roey | how are you all |
| 18:31.47 | jair | stew: I am trying to backup my "home/user" |
| 18:31.54 | Roey | abrotman: hi |
| 18:32.01 | stew | jair: yes |
| 18:32.06 | Roey | dvs: there is a message encoded int ehre if you read close enough |
| 18:32.12 | abrotman | Roey: screw dell |
| 18:32.23 | jair | but I am getting some messages that can not be permited couple of things |
| 18:32.28 | Roey | dvs: (a hint: it expresses echoes of excitement) |
| 18:32.31 | Roey | hehe |
| 18:32.35 | C2H5OH | stew: thanks anyway :-) |
| 18:32.37 | Roey | abrotman: wellt hat's what I was going to ask |
| 18:32.38 | Roey | about |
| 18:32.55 | Roey | abrotman: so I want to construct htis five-bay solution for backup |
| 18:33.09 | jair | stew: I am using this command: rsync -aP /home/jair /usbdrive/debian1_bk/ and the directory debian_bk was created by user: jair |
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| 18:33.44 | jair | stew: so I do not understand why is showing this messages:rsync: failed to set times on "/usbdrive/debian1_bk/jair/.ssh": Operation not permitted (1) |
| 18:34.29 | jair | or rsync: mkstemp "/usbdrive/debian1_bk/jair/patch_20060602/.patch_manifest.OsHCqW" failed: Operation not permitted (1) |
| 18:34.30 | stew | jair: what filesystem is /usbdrive ? |
| 18:34.34 | FlimFlamMan | on debian-stable, there doesn't seem to be a python-pgsql package for python2.4 - anyone know what i need to build pyPgSQL on stable for python2.4? |
| 18:34.36 | jair | is a vfat |
| 18:34.55 | stew | jair: rsync -a doens't make sense on a vfat drive, vfat has no concept of permissions |
| 18:35.10 | jair | stew: /dev/sda1 * 1 30515 245111706 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 18:35.21 | jair | ok |
| 18:35.37 | jair | so then what i should do is run the command of rsync with no option? |
| 18:35.47 | stew | jair: and probably not access times but i don't know. you also might want to read "/msg dpkg vfatrw". is there a reason you are using vfat instead of a more unix friendly fs? |
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| 18:36.12 | stew | jair: -a is just a shorthand for many other options, you should look at the manpage and only specify the subset of those options which make sense |
| 18:36.29 | stew | jair: or just switch to using a more appropriate filesystem |
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| 18:37.12 | stew | jair: or backup with tar instead which will preserve your permissions/ownership even if it is stored on vfat |
| 18:38.08 | brosioz | how could i set the wep on my wificard ? |
| 18:38.17 | brosioz | iwconfig rausb0 wep F9:2A:DE:50:45:3E:49:02:9F:70:CB:DC:E7 |
| 18:38.19 | brosioz | is ok ? |
| 18:38.27 | stew | brosioz: man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces |
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| 18:38.33 | brosioz | how coudl i convert it to asci ? |
| 18:38.46 | jelly | jair: there's a windows rw driver for ext2/ext3 at www.fs-driver.org, but I'm currently investigating an ext3 corruption so I can't recommend it at present. |
| 18:38.48 | brosioz | stew: can i convert it in asci text ? |
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| 18:39.11 | blondie | rude, apt-get suggests packages that don't exist |
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| 18:39.58 | stew | brosioz: you mean is there a way to recover the ascii seed from that number? |
| 18:40.10 | brosioz | stew: yes |
| 18:40.16 | stew | brosioz: i doubt it |
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| 18:41.15 | poopybutt | i have been having a problem with my sound, i was getting sound server errors and stuff in the past, i have since upgraded to 2.6.17 and the errors are fixed but my music skips frequently. i am using kanotix, i was wondering if this was a kanotix specific problem or a debian sid problem overall |
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| 18:41.52 | abrotman | poopybutt: ask #kanotix |
| 18:41.53 | veleno | hello. everytime I boot my debian/unstable, it stops showing a message like: "fsck died with exit status 8; File system check failed, asking for root pwd". why is that? |
| 18:42.08 | abrotman | the file system check failed ... |
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| 18:42.20 | dvs | !prize abrotman |
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| 18:42.57 | abrotman | dvs: eh .. i thought that was a more readable format than the ugly changelog :) |
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| 18:43.15 | Stork | how can i replace all '\' with '/' in a text file from the command line? |
| 18:43.20 | blondie | sed |
| 18:43.23 | dvs | ;-) |
| 18:43.24 | Stork | sed what? |
| 18:43.43 | dvs | Stork: what he sed |
| 18:43.43 | blondie | sed -i "s/\\/\//g" maybe |
| 18:43.46 | blondie | :D |
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| 18:44.40 | Stork | nope |
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| 18:44.57 | jelly | the double quotes mess that up. |
| 18:45.07 | blondie | do they... oh :P |
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| 18:45.23 | jelly | sed 's,\\,/,g' is nicer anyway |
| 18:45.26 | veleno | abrotman, and how can i fix it ? once i log as root i mean |
| 18:45.39 | nbt | hi, why i can't see vectorial theme icons ? what i need ? |
| 18:46.03 | jelly | I think sed 's/\\/\//g' would work too |
| 18:46.14 | blondie | yes, replace my "s with 's |
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| 18:46.51 | jelly | but it's more readable not to use / as delimiter when it's used in the string. |
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| 18:48.29 | jelly | so don't use slash as separator if slash's also present in the string. |
| 18:48.48 | jelly | is that a desent assonance? |
| 18:49.03 | blondie | pardon? |
| 18:49.12 | jelly | nm |
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| 18:49.50 | abrotman | veleno: should tell you |
| 18:50.32 | veleno | abrotman, not really...i don't see any suggestion. |
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| 18:51.01 | Gnurdux | abrotman, so how do i select the experimental versions of packages? |
| 18:51.04 | jdv79 | i think i'm going crazy - everything in /etc/fstab gets mounted on boot, right? |
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| 18:51.32 | dvs | jdv79: not necessarily |
| 18:51.46 | jdv79 | i have a smbfs entry - will that? |
| 18:51.57 | mzuverink | Could anyone tell me if EFI is enabled in the 2.6 kernels available in debian testing? |
| 18:51.59 | dvs | jdv79: depends what that line looks like |
| 18:52.01 | jdv79 | i don't see anything in the logs about a failure |
| 18:52.21 | dvs | jdv79: it won't fail if there was no attempt |
| 18:52.38 | jdv79 | dvs: brilliant:) |
| 18:52.41 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i told you last night how i'd do it |
| 18:52.46 | dvs | !prize me |
| 18:52.49 | dvs | ha |
| 18:52.54 | jdv79 | i kinda remotely thought that was the case |
| 18:52.55 | Gnurdux | abrotman, with pinning in the apt preferences file? |
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| 18:53.06 | abrotman | that's how i told you to do it .. |
| 18:53.11 | abrotman | that's not how i would do it :) |
| 18:53.12 | veleno | abrotman, the log i can see in /var/log/fsck/checkfs reports the same message about 'fsck died with status 8' |
| 18:53.25 | abrotman | veleno: it doesn't give you another command to run ? |
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| 18:54.25 | veleno | abrotman, not at all. at the top of the log i can see 'fsck.ext3 -a -C0 /dev/hda1: fsck.ext3 Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/hda1' |
| 18:54.26 | jdv79 | well, what makes a mount point mount on boot, ignoring swap partitions |
| 18:54.49 | dvs | the "auto" or "defaults" option |
| 18:55.04 | abrotman | veleno: eh .. so it's busy? |
| 18:55.25 | mzuverink | Any 5th Generation Ipod user around using gtkpod or other progy to sync with debian testing? |
| 18:55.30 | veleno | abrotman, i don't know...it happens when I boot... |
| 18:55.35 | xjkx | I wanted to test if the var $vartest is null or if it has something, but the if [ -f $vartest ] is supposed mean the thing inside it is a directory and it's not...its like if there is a "/" it thinks that it's my / directory but i just wanna know if it returns null or it returns something else, sorry of the off topic mates, there is no channel to ask it ;) |
| 18:55.48 | Gnurdux | abrotman, oh you said youd use wget :P |
| 18:57.25 | jdv79 | dvs: thanks |
| 18:57.29 | Gnurdux | abrotman, should I restart X now? |
| 18:57.35 | dvs | jdv79: you're welcome |
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| 19:01.03 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i said i would use wget .. how you do it is up to you |
| 19:01.19 | Gnurdux | i now have mesa from experimental abrotman |
| 19:01.23 | Gnurdux | and it doesnt work :P |
| 19:01.27 | abrotman | and X from source? |
| 19:01.33 | Gnurdux | no |
| 19:01.47 | abrotman | Gnurdux: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 19:01.57 | Gnurdux | ii xserver-xorg 7.0.22 the X.Org X server |
| 19:02.20 | abrotman | and do you now have the i810 driver from the package or from the snapshot? |
| 19:02.24 | Gnurdux | http://pastebin.ca/67306 |
| 19:02.31 | Gnurdux | abrotman, from the package |
| 19:02.35 | abrotman | are you sure? |
| 19:02.38 | abrotman | debsums |
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| 19:02.59 | Gnurdux | debsums? |
| 19:03.05 | Gnurdux | abrotman, whats that/ |
| 19:03.08 | Gnurdux | http://pastebin.ca/67306 |
| 19:03.17 | Gnurdux | read that paste |
| 19:03.18 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: do "debsums libgl1-mesa-dri" |
| 19:03.24 | Gnurdux | thanks |
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| 19:03.30 | Gnurdux | bash: debsums: command not found |
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| 19:03.52 | Gnurdux | jelly-home, i just upgraded that package to experimental |
| 19:03.52 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: install it, then. the package is called the same. |
| 19:04.02 | Gnurdux | jelly-home, read my paste |
| 19:04.12 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: I figured it out. |
| 19:04.14 | Gnurdux | ii libgl1-mesa-dri 6.5.0.cvs.20060524-1 A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- D |
| 19:04.20 | Gnurdux | thats experimental |
| 19:05.19 | abrotman | i think he needs to do the debsums for the driver |
| 19:06.27 | Gnurdux | also: abrotman jelly-home |
| 19:06.28 | Gnurdux | 0x2a 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None |
| 19:06.28 | Gnurdux | Mikey:/home/gnurdux# LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 19:06.28 | Gnurdux | name of display: :0.0 |
| 19:06.28 | Gnurdux | libGL error: XF86DRIQueryDirectRenderingCapable returned false |
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| 19:06.45 | Gnurdux | oh sorry i wasnt trying to paste first one |
| 19:06.54 | dvs | Gnurdux: uh huh |
| 19:07.00 | Gnurdux | first line |
| 19:07.02 | dvs | we believe you ;-) |
| 19:07.04 | Gnurdux | lol |
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| 19:07.27 | Gnurdux | why odes it say XF86? |
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| 19:07.53 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: that's not important. |
| 19:08.09 | Gnurdux | jelly-home, what does XF86DRIQueryDirectRenderingCapable returned false mean? |
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| 19:10.23 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: it means your driver doesn't support "direct rendering", ie. hardware accelerated opengl. |
| 19:10.29 | Gnurdux | ok |
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| 19:11.34 | jelly-home | wtf, libgl1-mesa-dri is 12MB. |
| 19:11.51 | Gnurdux | img gonna restart X again |
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| 19:12.03 | gokiburi | тест |
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| 19:12.33 | jelly-home | go cyrillic! |
| 19:12.39 | Gnurdux | Setting up libgl1-mesa-dri (6.5.0.cvs.20060524-1) ... i WAS supposed to replace that right? |
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| 19:13.23 | jhenn | hi. how do you turn off graphical login? |
| 19:13.35 | dvs | !nodm |
| 19:13.36 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 19:14.16 | orjan | I'm reading up on a new computer. I thinka about usinga a dual opteron. Is numa an important option. Any links to docs about numa and performance? |
| 19:14.22 | tavancini | guys, how can i install mysql-server-4.0 on debian sid (unstable) ?? |
| 19:14.32 | Gnurdux | still no luck |
| 19:15.34 | stew | tavancini: you can't, install mysql-server-5.0 instead |
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| 19:16.17 | tavancini | shit... because i have some mysqlserver5 incompatibilities... |
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| 19:16.53 | jelly-home | tavancini: there's also mysql-server-4.1 |
| 19:16.59 | stew | not in sid |
| 19:17.12 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 19:17.17 | jelly-home | but in stable. |
| 19:17.18 | stew | wait |
| 19:17.19 | stew | hmm |
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| 19:17.31 | stew | maybe. i thought that 4.1 was just a dummy package for 5.0, but i might be wrong |
| 19:17.33 | jelly-home | you're right, it's not in sid. |
| 19:17.40 | Gnurdux | jelly-home, anything else i should check |
| 19:17.58 | stew | yeah, only mysql-server-5.0 |
| 19:18.05 | tavancini | hmmm |
| 19:18.08 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: brb |
| 19:18.12 | tavancini | dammit |
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| 19:22.42 | Ryushin | Is there a mirror for security.debian.org? |
| 19:22.57 | abrotman | there is .. but they're all called security.debian.org |
| 19:23.03 | abrotman | it's a round robin dns |
| 19:23.27 | stew | there is an unofficial mirror at ftp.de.debian.org |
| 19:23.36 | Ryushin | Oh, okay, it's just I'm having a heck of a problem connecting to it right now. |
| 19:23.50 | stew | Ryushin: to which ip? |
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| 19:23.57 | mbishop | http://steve.neoturbine.net/files/meanpeople.txt |
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| 19:24.21 | corepoint | Hi Ho |
| 19:24.46 | Ryushin | 128.101.240.212 |
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| 19:27.16 | corepoint | i have a problem with grub i wan't to boot Windows XP through it i use this in my menu.lst title Windows XP rootnoverify (hd0,5) chainloader +1 makeactive boot the windows partition is in a extendet partition /dev/hda6 i forget the failure message -.- any suggestions? |
| 19:28.05 | Ryushin | That's strange, another security mirror is having issues. 194.109.109.3 I wonder if I'm screwed up in someway. All my other sources are fast. Does mirrors.kernel.org have a security mirror as well? |
| 19:28.18 | Gnurdux | jelly-home, what shoujld i try now? |
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| 19:28.52 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: I suppose you could try #xorg or whatever the channel for xorg is. |
| 19:28.56 | corepoint | nobody can help me? |
| 19:29.05 | Gnurdux | i did, earlier |
| 19:29.48 | corepoint | : ( |
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| 19:31.09 | jelly-home | funny, I don't get any output from glxgears but the gears roll. |
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| 19:32.34 | Maulkin | Ryushin: One of the security mirrors has moved... What's the problem? |
| 19:32.50 | stew | jelly-home: /msg dpkg glxgears |
| 19:33.05 | corepoint | plz help me : ( |
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| 19:33.47 | Maulkin | Ryushin: Ahh, it's the other one. Noted, and notifying admin |
| 19:34.23 | jair | hello |
| 19:34.26 | jelly-home | stew: hahaha, thanks |
| 19:34.37 | dvs | jair: you again!? |
| 19:34.56 | stew | jelly-home: -printfps works too, but the other option just NEEDed to be in the factoid :) |
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| 19:36.53 | orjan | Is there any factoid on howto load midi on an emu10 based card in alsa? |
| 19:37.14 | axolx | i have a question about GNU top included in debian. does anyone know what 'wa' in `Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 0.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 99.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.3% s` mean? |
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| 19:37.24 | abrotman | waiting |
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| 19:38.12 | axolx | abrotman: i get a lot of cpu time in `wa`. does that mean that a process is reserving cpu time but not using it? |
| 19:38.19 | jair | dvs: why? |
| 19:38.41 | dvs | jair: you used up your quota! ;-) |
| 19:39.25 | jair | dvs: haha |
| 19:39.35 | jair | stew: thanks I will conver it in tar |
| 19:39.41 | jair | stew: then rsync it :) |
| 19:39.43 | maikol | what is the easiest way to go from a 2.6.8 kernel to a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 19:40.18 | stew | maikol: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:40.31 | maikol | sarge |
| 19:40.38 | stew | maikol: is 2.6.16 instead ok? |
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| 19:40.46 | maikol | stew: thats fine |
| 19:40.47 | axolx | maikol: grab the source from kernel.org, configure it and compile it. if you have the .config file for your 2.6.8, then you can even copy that to the kernel source dir and use that config as a template |
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| 19:41.02 | stew | maikol: what cpu do you have? |
| 19:41.11 | maikol | stew: pIII |
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| 19:41.36 | stew | maikol: bpo has 2.6.16, /msg dpkg bpo ; follow the intructions.html then apt-get -tsarge-backports install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:42.22 | maikol | stew: theres a 2.6.17 out now |
| 19:42.32 | oboy | are /dev/usb/lp0 and /dev/usblp0 the same thing? |
| 19:42.43 | dvs | maikol: would you trust a .0 version of anything? |
| 19:42.44 | streuner | !kernel |
| 19:42.46 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.17-rc6-mm2 |
| 19:43.12 | dvs | 2.6.17-rc6-mm2 already? |
| 19:43.25 | dvs | or is that old? |
| 19:43.50 | streuner | different patch |
| 19:43.54 | dvs | ok |
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| 19:46.56 | abrotman | axolx: afaik .. it's waiting for something .. possibly disk IO .. or network IO |
| 19:47.11 | streuner | 2.6.17-rc6 is release 6 of 2.6.17, so NOT stable and older than the stable one... |
| 19:47.40 | stew | ^release^release candidate |
| 19:47.40 | streuner | (2.6.17) |
| 19:47.56 | WoodyWoodpecker | I got to hold a speed about woman and hacking. Are there any important female hackers I should talk about? I only have Audrey Tang up till now. Maybe some woman around here? |
| 19:48.39 | streuner | Do you use tor as well ? :-/ |
| 19:49.02 | streuner | try #debian-woman or such, or a ML |
| 19:49.09 | stew | WoodyWoodpecker: Grace Hopper |
| 19:49.13 | streuner | there is a website about |
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| 19:49.22 | streuner | who is Grace Hopper? |
| 19:49.41 | stew | streuner: she is the one the coined the term "bug" |
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| 19:49.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | streuner: what website do you mean? |
| 19:49.44 | abrotman | streuner: Navy programmer ... credited (wrongly i believe) with coining "bug" |
| 19:50.00 | stew | she invented cobol |
| 19:50.08 | streuner | oh :-) |
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| 19:50.24 | abrotman | streuner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper |
| 19:50.37 | jair | it is a way I can create a tar.bzip2 file in a hard drive where I have just 200MB space available?I have another Hard Drive "vfat" external where I can place the bzip2 file. |
| 19:50.42 | jelly-home | meh |
| 19:50.46 | WoodyWoodpecker | abrotman: that is what I have, never heard about her |
| 19:50.46 | abrotman | stew: i don't think she invented it .. but she worked with it quite a bit |
| 19:50.49 | jelly-home | libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i915_dri.so |
| 19:50.50 | orjan | iirc emploid by bell untill her 80's |
| 19:50.51 | WoodyWoodpecker | Any more woman? |
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| 19:51.08 | smagy2 | hello folks, i get this error ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory . i am using udev. and i am not sure how to manage this ., would appreciate some help. thanks |
| 19:51.10 | streuner | WoodyWoodpecker: http://women.debian.org/ |
| 19:51.27 | abrotman | orjan: employed |
| 19:51.49 | orjan | abrotman: yes, I'm a bad speller |
| 19:51.55 | abrotman | no kidding :) |
| 19:51.58 | stew | abrotman: ahh, you are right, she invented the predecessor to cobol |
| 19:52.01 | jair | hey jelly-home how are you? |
| 19:52.02 | dpkg | jair: you know how it is... |
| 19:52.02 | aptitude | jair: just great |
| 19:52.05 | WoodyWoodpecker | streuner: thanks, that looks like a good link for information. |
| 19:52.09 | abrotman | stew: paper and pencil? |
| 19:52.21 | stew | hah |
| 19:52.30 | jelly-home | jair: what the bots sed |
| 19:52.38 | jair | jelly-home: :) |
| 19:53.31 | jelly-home | who can spot what's wrong with this line line from OpenGL debug output: libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i915_dri.so |
| 19:54.00 | jair | hey guys I have on my /home/user directory files I want to back up. But in my hda I have just 200MB left and I want to back up all the home directory to an external HD to install Linux again in another biger drive I bought. bzip2 can do the work? |
| 19:54.14 | abrotman | jelly-home: does the file exist? |
| 19:54.25 | jair | can I tar, and bzip2 in another "vfat" external hd |
| 19:54.38 | jair | to the external hd I mean |
| 19:54.48 | Anduril | Is it possible to verify that a ACPI alarm really took place? I did: "echo '2006-06-19 21:40:00' > /proc/acpi/alarm" and thought I could monitor the time stamp like: "ls -l /proc/acpi/event". |
| 19:54.49 | jelly-home | abrotman: nope. the directory doesn't exist either. |
| 19:54.57 | abrotman | jelly-home: what'd you do that for?! |
| 19:55.11 | jelly-home | abrotman: I didn't, the maintainers did. |
| 19:55.41 | orjan | I'm reading up on a new computer. I thinka about usinga a dual opteron. Is numa an important option. Any links to docs about numa and performance? |
| 19:56.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: i blame pete |
| 19:56.46 | jelly-home | abrotman: It appears that some part of xorg still tries to read dri modules from the old location. I must first check that I didn't shoot myself in the foot. |
| 19:56.46 | abrotman | pseubodot: i blame you! |
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| 19:58.18 | pseubodot | abrotman: blame yourself, already. |
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| 20:00.12 | plugwash | anyone have any idea why popa3d would be refusing to let me login with no error (i'm pretty sure its not a wrong password because when i deliberately use the wrong password i get an actual error message)? |
| 20:00.14 | abrotman | i choose you pseubodot |
| 20:00.19 | dvs | uh oh |
| 20:00.59 | jelly-home | Gotta buy them all! Bee-ell-oot-bots! |
| 20:01.18 | kepht | i'm seeing lots of "Warning: FreeTypeRasteriseGlyph() returns an error, so the backend tries to set a white space." in the Xorg logfile ..what do i need to fix? |
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| 20:01.22 | Tassium | plugwash: Did you check the logs? |
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| 20:02.27 | pseubodot | abrotman: I choose Ales! |
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| 20:02.57 | dvs | pseubodot: umm... he wants to fight you |
| 20:03.13 | abrotman | pseubodot: he'll be upset we chose him without telling him :) |
| 20:03.30 | abrotman | pseubodot: we could use Peter! |
| 20:03.37 | abrotman | oh .. he's not even here .. damn it |
| 20:03.43 | abrotman | only on OFTC i guess |
| 20:03.47 | pseubodot | dvs: let him :) even he cannot handle the COLD COLD COLD weather of TORONTO! |
| 20:03.51 | vince35 | hi all, is there a gui appli to list files and reps , how big they are , date, etc ... |
| 20:03.56 | dvs | ha! |
| 20:04.06 | abrotman | dvs: i'd kick his butt .. he's a fish-hugging hippie |
| 20:04.17 | dvs | abrotman: not a seal-hugger |
| 20:04.31 | plugwash | Tassium i couldn't find any logs |
| 20:04.34 | Tassium | vince35: You mean the equivalent to Windows Explorer? |
| 20:04.41 | Tassium | plugwash: Trust me, your pop3 server keeps a log |
| 20:05.25 | vince35 | Tassium, nope, i wd simply like to know which reps take all place on my hd |
| 20:05.31 | abrotman | which reps? |
| 20:05.35 | streuner | vince35: if you need a filemanager try gentoo |
| 20:05.37 | abrotman | repositories? |
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| 20:05.51 | plugwash | Tassium well if it does then do you have any idea where? i can't find anything beginning with pop in /var/log |
| 20:05.54 | streuner | vince35: nice GTK based filemanager |
| 20:06.05 | vince35 | not repositorie , sry i don't have the good english word |
| 20:06.18 | Tassium | plugwash: Probably /var/log/mail.log, maybe just plain old /var/log/syslog |
| 20:06.28 | streuner | !fr |
| 20:06.29 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr (irc.debian.org). People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr (irc.debian.org) |
| 20:06.30 | Tassium | vince35: du, ls |
| 20:06.57 | vince35 | Tassium, yes.....shit i've to read then (o; |
| 20:06.58 | streuner | !factinfo fr |
| 20:06.58 | dpkg | fr -- last modified 4h 7m 8s ago by azeem!n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de; it has been requested once, last by streuner, 30s ago. |
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| 20:08.02 | vince35 | it wd be cool to have a gui interface for du,ls, in debian |
| 20:08.27 | dvs | vince35: the one for ls is called midnight commander |
| 20:08.49 | vince35 | thx streuner , i don't always like the manner of certain person in debian-fr |
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| 20:09.36 | vince35 | thx dvs , i'm not very used with mc that's true |
| 20:09.38 | stew | vince35: try the gentoo package |
| 20:09.38 | Tassium | vince35: mc, maybe endeavour2, I'm sure KDE comes with one, nautilus (for GNOME), tkdesk |
| 20:09.52 | stew | vince35: it provides a gui that will tell you the info from ls and du |
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| 20:10.48 | vince35 | cool guys, thx |
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| 20:14.01 | vince35 | streuner, first i thought yu talked about gentoo distro, ...i see now |
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| 20:14.19 | novata_peleona_ | hi.... |
| 20:14.43 | zx80user | I am having trouble getting my apache2/php4 installation to work with mysql - I have loaded the mod-php and mod-mysql packages but php still reports no mysql support: http://www.newmediacouncil.net/blog/info.php -- how do I fix this? |
| 20:14.46 | novata_peleona_ | is any way for get mozilla firefox in spanish for example using aptitude?? |
| 20:14.55 | novata_peleona_ | *there |
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| 20:15.22 | plugwash | Tassium ok i found an error in the syslog, it says it can't open /var/mail/plugwash |
| 20:15.33 | plugwash | but i can read that file from the terminal fine |
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| 20:16.01 | itchi | novata_peleona_: mozilla-firefox-locale-es-ar ?? |
| 20:16.36 | novata_peleona_ | itchi, is what i did. But....it is in english |
| 20:16.52 | itchi | novata_peleona_: mozilla-firefox-locale-es-es is also too, i not know the diff :-/ |
| 20:17.03 | streuner | !info mozilla-firefox-locale-es-es |
| 20:17.13 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox-locale-es-es: (Mozilla Firefox language package (transitional package)), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.0.1lang20060327-1 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 20:17.16 | itchi | novata_peleona_: I guess you need to set the local languages in espagnol? |
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| 20:17.43 | itchi | streuner: and with es-ar ? |
| 20:17.53 | itchi | streuner: What's the diff ? |
| 20:17.53 | novata_peleona_ | ii mozilla-firefox 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.3-2 Transition package for firefox rename |
| 20:17.54 | novata_peleona_ | ii mozilla-firefox-locale-es-es 1.5.0.1lang20060327-1 Mozilla Firefox language package (transition |
| 20:18.08 | novata_peleona_ | it is ok |
| 20:18.09 | jelly-home | itchi: Spain / Argentina? Different locales. |
| 20:18.13 | streuner | itchi: i would guess, different slang. |
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| 20:18.32 | novata_peleona_ | itchi, you saw it? |
| 20:18.50 | itchi | novata_peleona_: Yes ;-) |
| 20:18.59 | dvs | si! |
| 20:19.07 | itchi | novata_peleona_: You need to do somethings like 'LANG=es' |
| 20:19.13 | itchi | novata_peleona_: But i not know exaclty |
| 20:19.15 | novata_peleona_ | itchi, where?? |
| 20:19.32 | itchi | novata_peleona_: In the cli, but not try ^^, like it's not correct |
| 20:20.07 | itchi | novata_peleona_: Moment, i need to test. It's in english here, and i have leave it so :-) I like it so ;-) |
| 20:20.36 | novata_peleona_ | oks |
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| 20:21.47 | itchi | novata_peleona_: echo $LANGUAGE |
| 20:22.20 | novata_peleona_ | es_ES:es:en_GB:en |
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| 20:22.37 | itchi | novata_peleona_: So you're complete system are in English, right ? |
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| 20:23.26 | novata_peleona_ | itchi,yes |
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| 20:26.12 | itchi | novata_peleona_: Im not sure but 'export LANGUAGE=es' work. But at first do echo $LANGUAGE and write it down an a paper, in case of some troubles you know how it was |
| 20:26.43 | novata_peleona_ | but...it is about firefox not system |
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| 20:27.27 | vopicak | hi |
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| 20:27.47 | itchi | novata_peleona_: Yes, but it's not fixed. I mean if you reboot it's go one :-/ There are a better way, that sure. |
| 20:28.21 | vopicak | i am an gentoo user and trying debian right now ... |
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| 20:28.33 | vopicak | is there some apt get tutorial ? |
| 20:28.50 | vopicak | eh, i see |
| 20:28.55 | vopicak | i had a typo in google :D |
| 20:29.25 | itchi | novata_peleona_: mozilla-firefox -UILocale es ?? |
| 20:30.04 | novata_peleona_ | ?? |
| 20:30.08 | itchi | !grounding |
| 20:30.08 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 20:30.12 | itchi | !ref |
| 20:30.13 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 20:30.25 | itchi | _The_ references ^^ |
| 20:30.35 | itchi | novata_peleona_: Work it ? |
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| 20:30.49 | Alam_Debian | is there something more "powerful" then gvim? |
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| 20:31.10 | mbishop | Alam_Debian: emacs |
| 20:31.14 | itchi | Alam_Debian: I guess you not know all his secrets of it :-/ |
| 20:31.44 | itchi | Alam_Debian: Define "powerfull" |
| 20:31.47 | novata_peleona_ | itchi, whiat?? |
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| 20:31.59 | Alam_Debian | hmmm, not powerful |
| 20:32.01 | zx80user | asking on the php channel suggests I need a libphp4-mysql but apt-cache does not report it as available - is there such a thing? |
| 20:32.03 | itchi | novata_peleona_: 'mozilla-firefox -UILocale es' |
| 20:32.27 | Tassium | zx80user: php4-mysql |
| 20:32.28 | novata_peleona_ | aptitude install mozilla-firefox -UILocale es? |
| 20:32.31 | jair | I have a machine with just 200GB left of space and I can't to create a backup tar.bzip2 of my home directory |
| 20:32.43 | novata_peleona_ | itchi, aptitude install mozilla-firefox -UILocale es? |
| 20:32.52 | dvs | jair: "just" 200GB? |
| 20:32.55 | itchi | novata_peleona_: Sorry, no. do it in an console 'mozilla-firefox -UILocale es' |
| 20:33.13 | Alam_Debian | more like vim with real X11 windows when I do ^Wn |
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| 20:33.17 | jair | dvs: 200mb sorry |
| 20:33.54 | jair | but the issue is I can not make a backup .tar.bzip2 on the machine I am I need to make it in an external machine or hd? |
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| 20:34.38 | jair | it is anyway to tell the system to create the tar file in an external drive? |
| 20:34.39 | novata_peleona_ | itchi, no works |
| 20:34.45 | Alam_Debian | is a website showing the "family" of vi? |
| 20:34.46 | jair | connected to debian through a usb? |
| 20:34.51 | lepton | jair: sure |
| 20:35.03 | dvs | jair: specify the full pathname of the tar file |
| 20:35.19 | itchi | novata_peleona_: Caramba :-/ |
| 20:35.46 | MrNaz | how do you add a dir to the path |
| 20:35.55 | lepton | jair: the external drive needs to have a partition type your kernel supports |
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| 20:36.08 | tonyb2007 | hi |
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| 20:36.44 | lepton | MrNaz: you need to be more specific .... what path? what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:37.34 | tonyb2007 | dvs: im writing a simple IRC client, tonyb2006 is my irssi, and this one is my simple one, seeing if it will survive in a higly populated room |
| 20:37.36 | vopicak | huh |
| 20:37.41 | vopicak | wtf is debian ? |
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| 20:37.55 | vopicak | i dont see kernel, there isnt vim |
| 20:37.56 | vopicak | ... |
| 20:37.59 | amphi | !debian |
| 20:38.00 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 20:38.05 | MrNaz | lepton the search path for executables... |
| 20:38.07 | _pt | hi, why i cannot store the loaded modules in the modules.conf ? what does it mean "above" and "post-install" in modules.conf, do i need to change anything to be alias ? |
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| 20:38.22 | DerJamster | _pt: you're looking for /etc/modules |
| 20:38.24 | MrNaz | i want to be able to execute a file from any dir without having to type the full path to it |
| 20:38.30 | vopicak | omg nano |
| 20:38.37 | jair | lepton: I have the kernel 2.6.8 and the vfat is the fs of the external drive (already mounted) ;) |
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| 20:38.44 | lepton | MrNaz: oh. PATH=/some/dir/path:$PATH; export PATH might work. using bash shell? |
| 20:38.46 | amphi | vopicak: apt-get install vim already |
| 20:38.48 | DerJamster | MrNaz: put it in one of the paths shown in 'echo $PATH' or add the dir to your PATH setting |
| 20:39.41 | jair | lepton: can I make it .bzip2 on just one command? I mean tar it and then make it bzip2? |
| 20:39.47 | MrNaz | where is the path setting kept? .bashrc ? |
| 20:39.47 | DerJamster | MrNaz: usually a nice place is /usr/local/bin |
| 20:39.58 | _pt | DerJamster : i dont have that /etc/modules but /etc/modules.conf. i guess the modules are stored in /lib ...dont know.. |
| 20:40.20 | amphi | _pt: you can create /etc/modules if you need it |
| 20:40.23 | lepton | jair: yes. add the 'j' option to the tar command that writes the archive |
| 20:40.23 | MrNaz | DerJamster eh? the path setting is stored there? |
| 20:40.25 | dvs | jair: tar -cjf |
| 20:40.30 | MrNaz | what is it stored as? a file? |
| 20:40.35 | DerJamster | MrNaz: no, it's one of the dirs that gets checked :> |
| 20:40.39 | DerJamster | MrNaz: one sec.. |
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| 20:40.48 | Tassium | Interesting - Google Earth claims I don't have the ttf-bitstream-vera fonts installed, but I do. |
| 20:40.49 | jair | dvs: -cjf let me check |
| 20:40.53 | jair | lepton: thanks |
| 20:40.55 | DerJamster | MrNaz: add lepton's line in .bashrc |
| 20:41.01 | jair | dvs: thank you as well |
| 20:41.08 | DerJamster | MrNaz: up to the ; |
| 20:41.09 | _pt | amphi, DerJamster : i got it. you meant the file not the directory! thanks!!! |
| 20:41.10 | itchi | Tassium: Sarge ? |
| 20:41.10 | dvs | you're welcome |
| 20:41.12 | MrNaz | DerJamster / lepton thanks |
| 20:41.13 | DerJamster | MrNaz: not including it tho |
| 20:41.34 | Tassium | itchi: Yes |
| 20:41.48 | itchi | Tassium: Sure it's been installed? I have not got that trouble |
| 20:42.12 | itchi | Tassium: Or i go to say, reinstall that font package |
| 20:42.20 | Tassium | itchi: I'm sure it's installed |
| 20:42.38 | Mitja | what's NM? |
| 20:42.42 | vopicak | does aptitude install packages or it just search engine ? |
| 20:42.47 | stew | !nm |
| 20:42.48 | dpkg | from memory, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
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| 20:42.52 | DerJamster | vopicak: it installs |
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| 20:42.55 | DerJamster | vopicak: like apt-get |
| 20:43.16 | DerJamster | vopicak: you can even use it like apt-get. I.e. aptitude update, aptitude install packagename, etc. |
| 20:43.26 | vopicak | DerJamster ok, i started it, found x-window-system and pushed <g> |
| 20:43.30 | itchi | Tassium: Try to --purge it and install again ?? |
| 20:43.40 | vopicak | DerJamster it seems its doing nothing ... |
| 20:43.47 | itchi | Tassium: That font pkg |
| 20:43.49 | DerJamster | vopicak: don't ask me about details, I don't use aptitude ;) |
| 20:43.57 | vopicak | heh, ok :) |
| 20:43.58 | itchi | Tassium: So we sure :-/ |
| 20:44.09 | Tassium | itchi: Ok, one sec. Do I need to restart KDE/X when I do this? |
| 20:44.13 | jair | lepton: dvs: so will be something like: tar -cjf /home/jair/ /usbexternaldrive/bk_directory? |
| 20:44.18 | itchi | Tassium: I think not |
| 20:44.25 | itchi | Tassium: Normally not |
| 20:44.43 | dvs | jair: you have to specify the filename after /home/jair |
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| 20:44.53 | dvs | I mean -cjf |
| 20:45.14 | itchi | Tassium: I guess there are an file gone or damaged |
| 20:45.20 | vopicak | DerJamster i have cyrix 120 cpu with some old stuff, should i use kernel framebuffer for X ? |
| 20:45.43 | jair | dvs: tar -cjf home_bk.tar /home/jair/ /usbexternaldrive/bk_directory? |
| 20:45.48 | mz_work | wow there are still some cyrix cpu's working? impressive |
| 20:45.55 | vopicak | :))) |
| 20:45.59 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 20:46.01 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:46.12 | dvs | jair: have you used tar before? |
| 20:46.21 | Tassium | itchi: Purge and reinstall ttf-bitstream-vera didn't change anything. Either Google Earth is mis-detecting, or something's wrong with that package. |
| 20:46.26 | jair | yes, but not in a external drive |
| 20:46.43 | dvs | jair: you want to put the file on /usb..... ? |
| 20:46.45 | jair | dvs: I normally do tar home home.tar |
| 20:46.49 | Alam_Debian | anyone know a page showing the all GUI-enabled vim variants? |
| 20:46.57 | itchi | Tassium: Strange, i got not that trouble :-/ I have also installed Google Earth some days ago |
| 20:47.12 | jair | dvs: yes the usb... is the mount point of the external drive. |
| 20:47.13 | Tassium | itchi: Which version? |
| 20:47.20 | itchi | Tassium: Sarge |
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| 20:47.42 | dvs | jair: tar -cjf /usbexternaldrive/bk_directory/home_bk.tar /home/jair/ |
| 20:47.45 | ricky_clarkson | Hi. I've got testing and stable sources.. |
| 20:47.47 | Tassium | itchi: I meant which Google Earth |
| 20:47.56 | ricky_clarkson | apt-get install vlc libmodplug0 xine-ui libxine1 |
| 20:48.04 | fek | what happens when i build the package with the source and my own rules and a new update for this package is available? |
| 20:48.04 | ricky_clarkson | libmodplug0c2: Conflicts: libmodplug0 but 1:0.7-4 is to be installed |
| 20:48.08 | itchi | Tassium: There is only one Beta, right? |
| 20:48.11 | ricky_clarkson | Any solution? |
| 20:48.18 | jair | dvs: and that command will make it just "tar" or will also zip it with bzip2? |
| 20:48.25 | Tassium | itchi: Yeah, I didn't realize you'd said beta. Sorry. |
| 20:48.32 | jair | or is two different commands |
| 20:48.37 | dvs | jair: it will bzip2 it too |
| 20:48.48 | jair | dvs: nice :) |
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| 20:49.20 | jair | dvs: thank you, hey it is a good site where I can check all the zip tools that you recommend me? |
| 20:49.29 | dvs | so I guess it should be home_bk.tar.bz2 |
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| 20:49.35 | itchi | Tassium: It's looks 4.0.1563 (beta) |
| 20:49.40 | dvs | jair: man tar |
| 20:50.04 | itchi | tar cvzf /tmp/etc.tar.gz etc/ |
| 20:50.11 | Tassium | itchi: That's what I have as well. |
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| 20:50.58 | itchi | Tassium: Ok, can you past the output of 'dpkg -L ttf-bitstream-vera' |
| 20:51.16 | jair | dvs: thanks |
| 20:51.25 | dvs | jair: you're welcome |
| 20:51.28 | itchi | Tassium: Most time i use 'xclip' and do 'dpkg -L ttf-bitstream-vera | xclip' and then middle button where i want it |
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| 20:52.31 | itchi | xclip - command line interface to X selections |
| 20:52.38 | itchi | Very usefull ^^^ |
| 20:52.58 | itchi | See -> apt-cache show xclip |
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| 20:55.13 | itchi | Tassium: Or compare with this http://pastebin.ca/67369 |
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| 20:56.54 | itchi | Tassium: Some diffs ? |
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| 20:56.59 | Tassium | itchi: Working, one sec |
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| 20:58.48 | Tassium | itchi: I'm having some difficulty getting pastebin to load - it's hanging |
| 20:59.17 | itchi | Tassium: Take another one? Or i guess you want my url? |
| 20:59.45 | itchi | Tassium: My link ^^ work here |
| 21:00.20 | Tassium | itchi: pastebin.ca/67372 |
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| 21:01.52 | itchi | Tassium: Are you running Sarge? |
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| 21:02.11 | itchi | Tassium: There is one fill diff /usr/share/doc/ttf-bitstream-vera/COPYRIGHT-FAQ.TXT |
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| 21:02.42 | junix-other | how do i reconfigure my x server? |
| 21:03.09 | itchi | junix-other: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?? |
| 21:03.12 | dabreegster | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or -xorg |
| 21:03.13 | Tassium | itchi: I'm running mostly-sarge. x and kde from unstable. |
| 21:03.20 | junix-other | itchi: thx i forgot |
| 21:03.37 | itchi | Tassium: So you make an milkshake ?? |
| 21:04.17 | itchi | Tassium: Mixing Releases are very bad :-/ |
| 21:04.32 | junix-other | i'm having some issues using the 2.6.15 nvidia kernel |
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| 21:04.39 | junix-other | i can't get a gui |
| 21:04.56 | itchi | junix: What mean you with gui ?? |
| 21:05.07 | junix-other | funny |
| 21:05.12 | itchi | junix-other: Mean you x not running ? |
| 21:05.13 | junix-other | i can't get a gui to display |
| 21:05.15 | junix-other | yeah |
| 21:05.22 | junix-other | i can't get X to trunn |
| 21:05.32 | itchi | junix-other: Know you the error? |
| 21:05.43 | junix-other | it says that the drivers aren't there |
| 21:05.54 | junix-other | but i've tried the debian ones and the downloadiong the nvidia drivers |
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| 21:06.10 | static_x_ | i just received debian on 2 DVD's when i try to boot my system from them i get a boot error "Boot failed. FD.2.88MB System Type-(00)" anyone have any idea what the problem is? |
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| 21:06.34 | itchi | static_x_: euhgm, big floppy disk :-/ |
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| 21:06.51 | itchi | static_x_: Must it not 1,44 |
| 21:06.51 | kismet | Hi All! How can I use update-alternatives to set my prefered program by command line without user prompt? |
| 21:07.20 | static_x_ | itchi, its a dvd |
| 21:07.23 | junix-other | itchi: any other solutions? |
| 21:07.31 | kismet | nevermind I found the answer update-alternatives --set |
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| 21:08.19 | itchi | junix-other: I have download the driver on Nvidea and have do ./blablabla.sh and install that 2.6.15 nvidia kernel |
| 21:08.59 | junix-other | itchi: i can't get it work with 2.4.27 either! |
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| 21:09.58 | itchi | kismet: update-alternatives --list www-browser |
| 21:10.20 | itchi | kismet: update-alternatives --set www-browser NO_IE ?? |
| 21:11.20 | itchi | junix-other: I have less experience with nvidea. I have do it an hour or 2 ago, but it's looks that 3D are not working. So i need to experiment a bit with that comp of my wife |
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| 21:11.38 | itchi | kismet: Working ? |
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| 21:12.07 | smagy2 | hello folks, i get this error ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory . i am using udev. and i am not sure how to manage this ., would appreciate some help. thanks |
| 21:12.12 | itchi | kismet: update-alternatives --help is also usefull :-/ |
| 21:12.16 | Gnurdux | jelly-home, i rebooted and i still dont have direct rendering |
| 21:12.45 | itchi | Gnurdux: Which card ? I have miss it |
| 21:12.55 | Gnurdux | itchi, you have what? |
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| 21:13.22 | itchi | Gnurdux: That i have not follow you're conversation |
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| 21:13.34 | Tassium | itchi: I think it may be a font path issue |
| 21:13.35 | Gnurdux | itchi, ah, well its an i830 |
| 21:13.45 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: ok. first. does `debsums libgl-mesa-dri` report all OK lines? |
| 21:13.50 | itchi | Gnurdux: Is the right module loaded ? |
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| 21:14.00 | klikklak | hi, I just set up tv+lcd setup with nvidia drivers and now I'm getting huge borders on the edge of xmame games, anyone know why this is ? (this is both with opengl and xv videomodes) |
| 21:14.02 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: sorry, libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 21:14.02 | itchi | Tassium: Yeah, i'm sure :-/ |
| 21:14.19 | Gnurdux | jelly-home, i get command not found for debsums |
| 21:14.21 | dvs | smagy2: you need to load the kernel module for your sound card |
| 21:14.23 | static_x_ | so itchi: what does that boot error message mean? |
| 21:14.26 | Tassium | itchi: "Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/truetype, removing from list!" |
| 21:14.47 | itchi | Tassium: But like you have do an milkshake of Sarge and Unstable and like i not run unstable, i can not support it :-/ |
| 21:15.26 | itchi | static_x_: I not understand, about what talk you ? |
| 21:15.29 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: install it then |
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| 21:15.42 | klikklak | or can someone point me to a xmame channel? |
| 21:16.31 | itchi | klikklak: To what ? |
| 21:16.36 | Ronin | klikklak: #xmame |
| 21:16.41 | Ronin | whatever xmame is |
| 21:16.48 | jelly-home | Ronin: on which network? |
| 21:16.57 | static_x_ | i'm trying to install debian on my system, when i boot the DVD i get an error "Boot failed. FD.2.88MB System Type-(00)" do you know what this error means? |
| 21:16.58 | itchi | Not on freenode it's looks |
| 21:17.04 | Ronin | jelly-home: beats me :) |
| 21:17.14 | Ronin | klikklak: they have a url? maybe its listed there |
| 21:17.14 | jelly-home | no channels on freenode have "mame" in their name or topic |
| 21:17.21 | itchi | static_x_: hhhmm |
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| 21:17.46 | itchi | static_x_: Is that the Sarge one ? |
| 21:17.53 | static_x_ | i have tried it on another system, and i still get the same error |
| 21:18.06 | static_x_ | yes |
| 21:18.09 | Norbert_ | question: after running apt-get update; upgrade, some fonts in Flash no longer work - does anyone know how I can fix this? |
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| 21:18.19 | itchi | static_x_: He try to detect/or_whatever with an big floppy disk of 2,88MB normally it's 1,44 |
| 21:18.24 | Gnurdux | jelly-home, all are OK |
| 21:18.30 | Mr-R | static_x_: try the netinst on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 21:18.59 | laser_tk | Can somebody help me with nfs. I have mounted partition and there are files, but they are empty, in client machine |
| 21:18.59 | itchi | Norbert_: Are some fonts removed?? |
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| 21:19.13 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: I suggest asking on #xorg, you might have more luck there. |
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| 21:19.33 | Norbert_ | itchi: I don't know, I haven't specifically given a command to remove fonts... |
| 21:19.33 | Gnurdux | jelly-home, but for other people upgrading mesa fixed it |
| 21:19.41 | static_x_ | what do you mean by he - the computer |
| 21:20.24 | Gnurdux | ill ask gravity later |
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| 21:20.38 | itchi | Norbert_: Have you some idee of which fonts :-/ Yes i know :-/ Try to install some fonts ?? |
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| 21:21.19 | itchi | static_x_: To which talk you ? |
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| 21:22.43 | Norbert_ | why doesn't #debian have its own Wiki? |
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| 21:22.44 | itchi | static_x_: I guess to me ;-) No the installer |
| 21:22.54 | Norbert_ | I've seen the same questions over and over |
| 21:23.04 | itchi | Norbert_: Because we are to lazy ?? |
| 21:23.05 | OleMoudi | any clues why after upgrading metacity, amsn windows gain focus automatically. they didn't before de upgrade |
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| 21:23.23 | Norbert_ | itchi, if you are lazy, you should make a Wiki |
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| 21:23.33 | Norbert_ | takes more time answering all those questions |
| 21:23.43 | itchi | Norbert_: http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 21:23.48 | rue_mohr | anyone know how I can 'rebuild' from a copy of the origional machines /etc ? at a package level anyhow |
| 21:24.08 | Norbert_ | itchi: don't mean that Wiki, I mean a Wiki with answers about which fonts to install for Flash and so on |
| 21:24.13 | itchi | Norbert_: That help to learn the system here |
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| 21:24.41 | itchi | Norbert_: Bwa, you have the _whole_ liberty :-) |
| 21:25.05 | rue_mohr | anyone? |
| 21:25.33 | itchi | Norbert_: You not expecially need it. I think to old computer or so, or computers with less resources, take also diskspace in consideration |
| 21:26.17 | itchi | rue_mohr: Try to reformulate the question? |
| 21:26.35 | itchi | Where is scratchi ?? |
| 21:26.39 | dvs | heh |
| 21:26.42 | Norbert_ | I don't remember an itchi here though |
| 21:26.45 | Norbert_ | you must be new here |
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| 21:26.52 | Norbert_ | and your English needs work |
| 21:26.55 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 21:27.09 | itchi | Norbert_: Nope, i'm of oldschool and have an whole collection of nicks :-) |
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| 21:27.17 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: that's for packages. |
| 21:27.35 | rue_mohr | wow, cool |
| 21:27.36 | itchi | Norbert_: It's from my old bot i no more use. So i use it now to chat with it :-) |
| 21:27.46 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: hm |
| 21:27.58 | rue_mohr | bu wait |
| 21:28.04 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: but you have to have saved /var/lib/dpkg |
| 21:28.13 | itchi | Norbert_: If you're not happy with it i could easy '/ignore' you ;-) |
| 21:28.14 | rue_mohr | I have an empty system, and I have a copy of the /etc/ of the origional system |
| 21:28.29 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: only /etc? |
| 21:28.35 | rue_mohr | yup |
| 21:28.49 | itchi | rue_mohr: Use ssh or so ? |
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| 21:29.17 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: that's not enough to reproduce the package status. |
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| 21:30.14 | smagy2 | dvs: the kernel modules for my sound card are inbuilt. mplayer works just fine! xmms and sound files from firefox have a problem |
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| 21:30.37 | RoAkSoAx | he;llo there!! i ;ve installed debian etch in my laptop, and after upgrade i couldnt boot the system.. it got stuck for a while in loading root filysystem.. then it showed me a prompt and said that i didnt have a /dev/hda3 what shoul i do |
| 21:30.44 | liable_ | smagy2: what about snd-pcm-oss?? |
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| 21:31.15 | zenit | RoAkSoAx: what kind of upgrade? |
| 21:31.26 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: apt-file could help you to find out which packages those /etc/xy directories and files belong to, but it's not going to be complete, nor easy. |
| 21:31.26 | itchi | liable_: Hey, i'm back of 2 days of hospitalisation. About my big feats |
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| 21:31.51 | liable_ | itchi: wow, lucky you seen the doctor then! |
| 21:31.58 | RoAkSoAx | zenit: gnome showed that there where files to upgrade or update and i cliocked on the icon and it downloaded anad installed |
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| 21:32.02 | smagy2 | oh wait. i looks like i built them as modules. here is the output from lsmod http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xl3dZN19.html |
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| 21:32.24 | itchi | liable_: Yeah, he have send me to the hospital, and there he had take me in observation. _2_ days without Internet!! |
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| 21:33.06 | itchi | liable_: And no one know what i had on my feats. Now everythings go at 80%. So in some days it's go one. But doctors not know why :-/ |
| 21:33.19 | liable_ | heh, ouch! |
| 21:33.22 | smagy2 | RoakSoAx: are you using grub or lilo ? |
| 21:33.31 | liable_ | smagy2: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 21:33.33 | itchi | liable_: I'm a prototype :-( |
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| 21:33.46 | solemnwarning | When will the libfreetype bug in broke openoffice be fixed? |
| 21:33.49 | liable_ | itchi: lab rat! :) |
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| 21:34.02 | Mutacion | ajua! |
| 21:34.09 | RoAkSoAx | smagy2: grub |
| 21:34.23 | itchi | liable_: Yeah, but doctor have say that he have big books and not know all about it. That would tell enought :-( |
| 21:34.30 | smagy2 | liable: yeah it works! thanks a bunch |
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| 21:34.44 | RoAkSoAx | smagy2: i had no problems until i did the update |
| 21:34.51 | smagy2 | RoAkSoAx: are you able to boot the old kernel ? |
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| 21:35.06 | liable_ | itchi: as long as they are getting better, no need to worry :) |
| 21:35.25 | RoAkSoAx | smagy2: i dont have it installed.. i instaled the kernerl 2.6.15 |
| 21:35.27 | itchi | liable_: Yeah, you're right. We drink an good beer on it and it's done ;-) |
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| 21:35.56 | RoAkSoAx | smagy2: its like it can boot the ;/dev/hda3 partition |
| 21:36.02 | RoAkSoAx | i mena mount |
| 21:36.05 | smagy2 | RoAkSoax: hmmn, so at the grub menu all you see is option for 2.6.15 eh ? did you try to manual boot from grub prompt ? |
| 21:36.33 | itchi | liable_: And have you play enought now with 'qemu'? |
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| 21:36.51 | RoAkSoAx | smagy2: yeah i see my boot for that kernel and my windows... and i havent how to do that? |
| 21:36.57 | smagy2 | RoAkSoax: are there seperate boot and root partitions ? |
| 21:37.08 | itchi | liable_: Have you get that acceleration working |
| 21:37.13 | liable_ | itchi: i got it all running, but i am having trouble getting windows to activate |
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| 21:37.27 | liable_ | itchi: yeah i got the kqemu module working ok |
| 21:37.28 | RoAkSoAx | smagy2: the grub boots from the windows partition |
| 21:37.33 | rue_mohr | so apt keeps all the package stati in /var eh? |
| 21:37.33 | itchi | liable_: Arhg, yes with XP there are some know troubles :-( |
| 21:37.49 | RoAkSoAx | for linux i just have 2 partitions swap and filesystem |
| 21:38.10 | RoAkSoAx | it loads part of the filesystem but not all.. |
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| 21:38.35 | itchi | rue_mohr: you could remove it easy with 'apt-get clean' |
| 21:38.44 | RoAkSoAx | smagy2: should i just install all over again? |
| 21:38.49 | smagy2 | RoAkSoAx: huh ?? what can you please type in the exact error that you get ? |
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| 21:39.31 | smagy2 | RoAkSoAx: The whole OS ? you could do that, but it is not exactly the way to learn how to recover from a broken system :D |
| 21:39.31 | itchi | Banzai, now i migrate this system |
| 21:39.40 | t26 | anyone around who is able to help me with a sound card issue? |
| 21:39.41 | RoAkSoAx | smagy2: i get something like getting or mounting root file system.. and after a while it says that cant load x server or xwindow and that it cant find /dev/hda3 |
| 21:40.03 | smagy2 | well this is what you want to try |
| 21:40.27 | t26 | i installed alsa, but can't find it anywhere in my menus... i have an onboard sound card |
| 21:40.34 | RoAkSoAx | smagy2: i dont now any other way... i enter in recovery mode and still the same... maybe i umounted the partition /dev/hda3 and when boots it doesnt mount it again |
| 21:40.41 | smagy2 | when grub menu comes from the boot. there is an option at the bottom of grub menu that says "press e" for editing the command line or something like that |
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| 21:40.53 | RoAkSoAx | yeah |
| 21:40.57 | liable_ | t26: run alsaconf from a terminal as root |
| 21:41.02 | t26 | k |
| 21:41.03 | t26 | thanks |
| 21:41.27 | RoAkSoAx | i put e and show me 4 lines that i can edit to boot |
| 21:41.37 | smagy2 | then it will show you the options it is using to boot. add the option single to it. and then hit b for boot and let the kernel boot |
| 21:42.12 | smagy2 | by the way is hda3 your root or swap , just wondering |
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| 21:42.21 | t26 | ok, it ran, couldn't find pnp or pci sound cards, asked if i wanted it to probe for isa, i said yes, probing didn't find anything either.... |
| 21:42.27 | RoAkSoAx | smagy2: i think is swap |
| 21:42.49 | liable_ | t26: do you have a 2.4 kernel? |
| 21:42.56 | RoAkSoAx | smagy2: i tried that by adding single and happens the same thing |
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| 21:43.06 | smagy2 | it complains about xserver ??? |
| 21:43.06 | t26 | i don't know... i'm a bit of a Linux n00b... what's the best way to fin dout |
| 21:43.15 | liable_ | t26: uname -r |
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| 21:43.28 | t26 | 2.4.27-2-686 |
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| 21:43.33 | itchi | smagy2: Look to the log file in /var/log/XFREE_or_XORG |
| 21:43.43 | drumaholik__ | is that u |
| 21:43.48 | drumaholik__ | err |
| 21:43.51 | liable_ | t26: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:44.04 | itchi | oeps |
| 21:44.06 | t26 | k, thanks |
| 21:44.13 | liable_ | t26: then boot into that one |
| 21:44.16 | smagy2 | itchi: ??? was the message meant for RoAkSoax ? |
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| 21:44.33 | itchi | smagy2: Yeah, i have see it a bit to late :-/ |
| 21:44.35 | t26 | liable - how do i "boot into" that one? just restart? |
| 21:44.42 | liable_ | t26: yeah |
| 21:44.49 | t26 | k, thank you |
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| 21:45.00 | t26 | then should running that alsaconf command work? |
| 21:45.04 | smagy2 | itchi: apparently he/she is not able to boot to single user mode too |
| 21:45.06 | liable_ | yep |
| 21:45.24 | t26 | thanks a lot for the help liable_ , i'll come back if i have any more issues... much appreciated :) |
| 21:45.33 | liable_ | np |
| 21:45.44 | smagy2 | i think either he/she has the file sytem drivers as loadable modules or fstab is messed up |
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| 21:46.13 | itchi | RoAkSoAx: I could ask you to paste the output of /boot/grub/menu.list and /proc/partitions |
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| 21:46.53 | liable_ | roler: when it drops to a prompt, can you manually mount / ?? |
| 21:47.07 | itchi | RoAkSoAx: Then that of /etc/fstab, so that we could look here. Know you about pastebin or paster ?? |
| 21:47.21 | itchi | no ?? just ?. What's going :-/ |
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| 21:49.14 | RoAkSoAx | itchi: i dont /boot/grub it doest load allt he filesystem |
| 21:49.16 | unstable | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Mm8XIp85.html |
| 21:49.30 | unstable | What is /dev/sda4; it isn't mounted...and I can't mount it. Is that just an unused partition? |
| 21:49.48 | fourat | am having problem with apt-get, it wont do anything, it seems that it have a pending job related to sendmail and it doesnt work for i dont know why, i have allways this message : http://pastebin.com/719581 |
| 21:50.03 | unstable | It says "Extended"; can I just mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda4; or is that partition needed to run the box? Or am I reading fdisk -l wrong, and that partition isn't that big? |
| 21:50.21 | jelly-home | unstable: DON'T |
| 21:50.25 | RoAkSoAx | itchi: i was thinking i might messed up the filefstab cuz i was trying to mount my windows parititios by using gnome |
| 21:50.30 | RoAkSoAx | not in fstab |
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| 21:50.54 | unstable | jelly-home: enough said |
| 21:50.55 | itchi | RoAkSoAx: Could you paste it on pastebin? |
| 21:51.00 | RoAkSoAx | si i guess i will have to reinstall the whooolee debian again!!! |
| 21:51.02 | jelly-home | unstable: partitions with a number >= 5 are contained in the "extended" one. |
| 21:51.02 | unstable | jelly-home: What is it? |
| 21:51.09 | RoAkSoAx | itchi: i dont have thoose commands either |
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| 21:51.16 | RoAkSoAx | i dont even have vi |
| 21:51.19 | unstable | jelly-home: You mean >=4 |
| 21:51.26 | unstable | jelly-home: The mbr can only hold 4 primary partitions |
| 21:51.34 | itchi | RoAkSoAx: No, wait, some guys here are more as kings here. Just need to give the right informations and ... |
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| 21:51.38 | jelly-home | unstable: take a good look at 4 and 5's sizes. |
| 21:51.57 | unstable | jelly-home: They're really close. |
| 21:52.03 | flogiston | Hi I'v got some problems with apt-get. |
| 21:52.15 | unstable | !tell flogiston about ask |
| 21:52.27 | smagy2 | RoakSoax: you can try boot your system from grub prompt even though fstab might be messed up a bit. |
| 21:52.28 | flogiston | How do I change repos, like in the install. |
| 21:52.42 | unstable | !tell flogiston about sources.list |
| 21:52.59 | smagy2 | RoakSoax: if not download knoppix cd , and boot it , mount the root filesystem and the look at fstab. |
| 21:53.18 | unstable | jelly-home: So are 4 and 5 the same? |
| 21:53.18 | jelly-home | unstable: indeed, that's why someone made up the "extended partition" idea. No more partitions can fit into MBR, but we can chain it to another partition table, and allocate that space with a dummy partition so that noone can reuse it. |
| 21:53.20 | RoAkSoAx | smagy2: kk i better use a dbeian live cd |
| 21:53.27 | jelly-home | unstable: 5 is inside 4. |
| 21:53.29 | itchi | RoAkSoAx: Yeah, so that you could access the system and the files to try to correct the trouble. |
| 21:53.39 | flogiston | unstable: thanks. :) |
| 21:53.51 | RoAkSoAx | itchi: oks thnks guys... right know gotta go to class ill come back later to tell ya what happened |
| 21:53.53 | RoAkSoAx | and im a he :P |
| 21:53.53 | jelly-home | unstable: if you had mode logical partitions, they would all be inside the extended one. |
| 21:53.58 | unstable | jelly-home: So I can't mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda4? |
| 21:53.58 | RoAkSoAx | see ya thnks |
| 21:54.16 | jelly-home | unstable: you can, if you don't care about the data in sda5. |
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| 21:54.22 | itchi | I think he is going to reinstall, i'm sure ^^ |
| 21:54.29 | unstable | jelly-home: I care about the data in sda5 heh |
| 21:55.20 | fourat | am having problem with apt-get, it wont do anything, it seems that it have a pending job related to sendmail and it doesnt work for i dont know why, i have allways this message : http://pastebin.com/719581 |
| 21:55.34 | flogiston | Seems like ftp repos wont work for me. When testing the server it stays at zero procent. |
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| 21:56.54 | unstable | jelly-home: Is there anyway I can move /home onto sda2? |
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| 21:57.13 | unstable | jelly-home: There is an ircd running on sda4/5(home); can I do it without stopping the ircd? |
| 21:57.37 | fourat | unstable, i dont think so |
| 21:57.47 | unstable | yea, me neither |
| 21:57.48 | unstable | lol |
| 21:58.04 | itchi | fourat: Essay apt-get -f install |
| 21:58.09 | dooglus | ~mplayer |
| 21:58.10 | apt | it has been said that mplayer is read ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html to find the correct sources.list line for your version of Debian. |
| 21:58.18 | fourat | you shoul stop your app, mv your files to the new folder, update your mounting table and get it working again |
| 21:58.20 | jelly-home | unstable: not really, no. |
| 21:58.31 | Rothgar | http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20060619160000 |
| 21:58.37 | dooglus | that's a bad link. does anyone know the correct URL for the sources.list line for mplayer? |
| 21:58.49 | itchi | fourat: Some packages are simply not configured |
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| 21:59.30 | unstable | !tell dooglus about mplayer |
| 21:59.32 | itchi | fourat: Look to the lines 40,41,42 |
| 21:59.34 | unstable | dooglus: What version of debian? |
| 21:59.57 | dooglus | unstable: unstable |
| 21:59.58 | jelly-home | dpkg, mplayer =~ s,ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html,http://www.debian-multimedia.org/, |
| 21:59.58 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html', jelly-home |
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| 22:00.22 | jelly-home | ah |
| 22:00.28 | jelly-home | apt, mplayer =~ s,ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html,http://www.debian-multimedia.org/, |
| 22:00.28 | apt | jelly-home: OK |
| 22:00.30 | fourat | itchi, should i install exim4 just for that ? |
| 22:00.41 | unstable | !tell dooglus about marillat.sid |
| 22:00.45 | itchi | fourat: Probably, just try first fixing ' |
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| 22:00.53 | itchi | fourat: Probably, just try first fixing 'apt-get -f install' |
| 22:01.23 | itchi | unstable: I think -about are better |
| 22:01.43 | itchi | unstable: So that you not get that blablabla about marillat.sid |
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| 22:01.58 | marco13185 | how do I bind a mouse key to a command? |
| 22:02.05 | marco13185 | or a mouse key to a keyboard button? |
| 22:02.05 | unstable | itchi: What does -about do? |
| 22:02.24 | fourat | itchi, -f install doesnt get me out : http://pastebin.com/719605 |
| 22:02.25 | itchi | unstable: The same thing, but not tell to you blablabla about marillat.sid |
| 22:02.26 | FlimFlamMan | does anyone know how to get pyPgSQL for pyton2.4 on debian-stable? |
| 22:02.30 | dooglus | unstable: thanks. what's the story there? why the change of URL? is it the same guy's packages? |
| 22:02.39 | itchi | unstable: Try it to my, with the both and look to you're window of dpkg |
| 22:02.44 | unstable | dooglus: yes it's the same guys packages |
| 22:02.48 | jelly-home | apt, mplayer =~ s|. /msg|, or /msg| |
| 22:02.57 | unstable | dooglus: If it wasn't...the gpg key wouldn't match and you would get a gpg key warning |
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| 22:03.01 | dooglus | unstable: it's odd that his old site doesn't mention it |
| 22:03.27 | K|NgGh0sT | Anyone know how to get 4.1 to work in debian? |
| 22:03.28 | itchi | pastebin.com are slow today, need to choose another today?? |
| 22:03.29 | unstable | !tell unstable about marillat.sid |
| 22:03.31 | unstable | !tell unstable -about marillat.sid |
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| 22:03.44 | itchi | unstable: Get it? |
| 22:04.29 | itchi | fourat: Try to install these packages exim4 mail-transport-agent sendmail-bin |
| 22:04.52 | itchi | unstable: Try it with my name. So you view it better i think |
| 22:05.04 | unstable | !tell itchi about marillat.sid |
| 22:05.05 | unstable | !tell itchi -about marillat.sid |
| 22:05.15 | dooglus | !tell itchi about marillat.sid |
| 22:05.21 | itchi | unstable: Have you see it ? |
| 22:05.23 | WoodyWoodpecker | Can I convert pdf to tex|latex files again? |
| 22:05.33 | dooglus | !tell itchi -about marillat.sid |
| 22:05.34 | fourat | itchi, seems to be ok |
| 22:05.45 | itchi | fourat: Solved ?? |
| 22:05.51 | jelly-home | is there a way to do -about with /msg ? |
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| 22:05.57 | fourat | am installing exim4 |
| 22:06.04 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: not easily afaik |
| 22:06.12 | itchi | Understand the difs of '-about' and 'about' |
| 22:06.14 | unstable | itchi: I see now. |
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| 22:06.26 | unstable | itchi: eh, I like to get the factoid to. So I know I've given the right information. |
| 22:06.31 | unstable | !abuse |
| 22:06.31 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 22:06.36 | itchi | unstable: To keep the log lesser ;-) |
| 22:06.38 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: that is what I thought. Any other suggest? |
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| 22:07.17 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: what is your real goal? |
| 22:07.26 | dooglus | I don't care what they say in #ubuntu - you guys are alright by me. |
| 22:07.38 | DRaGONeRO | someone of you can help me to compile one exploit in c? |
| 22:07.54 | itchi | fourat: Ton probleme est resolu ? |
| 22:08.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: I have to make minor changes on a ps and pdf file. |
| 22:08.27 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: what do you mean minor? If you have the ps, just vi the ps then do ps2pdf. |
| 22:08.29 | dooglus | DRaGONeRO: debian probably provides a binary package for it. just use apt-get |
| 22:08.30 | amphi | !pal DRaGONeRO |
| 22:08.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: Some math has changed and these are not my files you see. |
| 22:08.57 | jelly-home | dpkg, spank dooglus |
| 22:09.07 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: ps file with vim ? |
| 22:09.25 | fourat | itchi, normallement :) merci |
| 22:09.27 | WoodyWoodpecker | Won't work I am sure about that :D |
| 22:09.33 | dooglus | !tell DRaGONeRO about the script-k1dd13 repository |
| 22:09.36 | itchi | fourat: Good news ;-) |
| 22:09.43 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: yes, though the math equations might not be as easy. It's more useful when you just need to fix spelling. |
| 22:09.48 | WoodyWoodpecker | Well then I just have to rewrite it completely |
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| 22:10.12 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: that for instance too, because of the math expressions. |
| 22:10.36 | jelly-home | dooglus: ooh, try !nickometer <nick> |
| 22:11.29 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: the other option is to use pstoedit, though that one might involve some... re-layout. |
| 22:11.37 | itchi | unstable: That manner keep your log file many lesser |
| 22:11.58 | dooglus | !nickometer jelly-home |
| 22:11.59 | dpkg | 'jelly-home' is 14.000% lame, dooglus |
| 22:12.42 | jelly-home | dooglus: was more thinking of the GReAt DrAGoNErO |
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| 22:13.01 | Serinity | I need to display a message to an X user using X message but i don't remember how to set my X server so it appears on his station, i whish to set it and then call something liek xmessage or so.... Anyone please ? |
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| 22:13.02 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: thanks for the hint. I will take a look, too I never worked with pstoedit yet. |
| 22:13.07 | seb- | is clamav and amavis-new the way to go for mail server? and must i worry about them for a linux only shop? |
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| 22:13.17 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: it has saved my ass a few times. |
| 22:13.25 | dooglus | jelly-home: he's left. what makes dpkg think you're lame? |
| 22:13.37 | jelly-home | seb-: just because you're linux only doesn't mean you're not going to get viruses. |
| 22:13.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | cureless: Maybe it can save me the rest of the night :D |
| 22:13.59 | seb- | jelly-home: linux has viruses and clamav can detect them? |
| 22:14.03 | cureless | WoodyWoodpecker: I've only used it for figures though (or eps') never for whole pages or files. |
| 22:14.08 | jelly-home | dooglus: only 14%, that's less than half. |
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| 22:14.33 | dooglus | jelly-home: it's less than a seventh, even. but more than an eighth. but my question is, how can it tell? |
| 22:14.36 | Ronin | jelly-home: has anyone ever gotten one? not talking rootkits etc. |
| 22:14.37 | jelly-home | seb-: no, but I didn't say that. |
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| 22:15.10 | jelly-home | seb-: s/get viruses/receive them in mail/ |
| 22:15.24 | mzuverink | Where can I find a current list og available software in testing? |
| 22:15.26 | seb- | jelly-home: thanks,,oh you mean....linux does not have viruses but i still may not want to allow them through? |
| 22:15.33 | jelly-home | seb-: yes |
| 22:16.08 | seb- | jelly-home: k, thanks again |
| 22:16.16 | itchi | mzuverink: http://packages.debian.org/testing/ |
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| 22:16.37 | jelly-home | dooglus: use the code to find out. I bet it has something to do with the - in the nick. |
| 22:16.42 | mzuverink | itchi, thanks I found that page, reading now. |
| 22:16.57 | itchi | mzuverink: Take you're time ;-) |
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| 22:17.34 | sortadi | test |
| 22:17.40 | sortadi | hi there |
| 22:17.47 | itchi | test failed :-( |
| 22:17.58 | itchi | sortadi: Hello |
| 22:18.02 | mzuverink | A net install disc is all I need to install correct? |
| 22:18.04 | sortadi | itchi, hey |
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| 22:18.10 | itchi | mzuverink: Yes |
| 22:18.18 | sortadi | mzuverink, and a good network connection |
| 22:18.26 | itchi | mzuverink: You not espesially need these 14 CD's. |
| 22:18.29 | dooglus | jelly-home: DRaGONeRO scores 99.7%, but RoAkSoAx scores only 14% - they're both nasty looking mixed case nicks - I don't see how one is much lamer than the other. |
| 22:18.44 | mzuverink | now how do I go about getting mirror info for nonree and proprietary stuff? |
| 22:19.37 | itchi | mzuverink: add the 'non-free' on the source.list and look to '/msg dpkg marillat' |
| 22:19.39 | sortadi | mzuverink, first install the system |
| 22:19.53 | sortadi | mzuverink, and then care about the rest |
| 22:20.06 | itchi | !tell mzuverink -about sources.list |
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| 22:20.21 | dooglus | can someone tell me why freenx isn't available in the official debian repositories? It's GPL'ed... |
| 22:20.36 | mzuverink | Due to problems in my video card I need to do a server install, no gui then after the system is running add the gui. Is that possible like in ubuntu? |
| 22:20.53 | itchi | mzuverink: Sure |
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| 22:21.16 | mzuverink | what would I apt-get then, gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 22:21.25 | jelly-home | dooglus: length matters a bit, and it has very non-linear scale for number-of-capitals. |
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| 22:21.53 | itchi | mzuverink: Or use 'tasksel' if you want keep it simple and not know what to install and what you eventually need |
| 22:22.05 | mzuverink | would that get all the dependencies for x? And what about nvidia |
| 22:22.14 | mzuverink | what is taskel? |
| 22:23.22 | itchi | mzuverink: Tasksel is an tool to define the task of the computer. So you can choose to install an desktop environment and he would do the job for you and install what he need. nvidea are another story. That's after x are up and running |
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| 22:23.47 | itchi | mzuverink: You get the 'tasksel' on the end of an Debian installation. |
| 22:24.10 | itchi | mzuverink: But you could re runn tasksell when you want |
| 22:24.21 | jelly-home | mzuverink: also /msg dpkg tasksel |
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| 22:24.53 | mzuverink | I just cannot go and do a full desktop gui install due to my card configuration, I have to do server first then add gui and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, otherwise it attempts to use a my onboard pci card and my nvidia card is useless. It ends up locking up the machine |
| 22:26.37 | fourat | am having problems with alsa |
| 22:26.37 | fourat | i have to run alsaconf on each boot to get my soundcard working |
| 22:26.43 | fourat | and it doesnt accept 2 applications to play sound at once |
| 22:26.45 | deadcat | where in menuconfig is the bcm43xx driver? cant find it under wireless |
| 22:26.46 | fourat | (busy device) |
| 22:26.51 | fourat | anyone can help ? |
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| 22:27.23 | itchi | fourat: Try '/msg dpkg alsa-checklist' |
| 22:27.49 | itchi | fourat: And tell on wich step you eventually fail |
| 22:28.36 | liable_ | deadcat: in the .17 kernel? |
| 22:28.57 | fourat | itchi, maybe : 5) OSS modules unloaded? |
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| 22:29.14 | deadcat | liable_: ya |
| 22:29.21 | fourat | am not loading oss modules at startup, dont know wich app is doing it |
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| 22:29.32 | itchi | fourat: lsmod to view the modules that are loaded |
| 22:29.34 | anabain_ | in order to remove a debian kernel and its modules, what need I to do? dpkg -P kernel.deb ? |
| 22:29.57 | liable_ | deadcat: dunno :) just making sure you werent looking in an older one :P |
| 22:30.02 | deadcat | anabain_: apt-get remove --purge |
| 22:30.09 | deadcat | liable_: hehe |
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| 22:30.15 | itchi | fourat: You could use 'modconf' to view/set modules that load at boot time |
| 22:30.15 | fourat | itchi, i do have oss modules loaded, but wich app is loading it ? |
| 22:30.16 | anabain_ | does anyone know of a wireless PCI card that works perfectly in linux? |
| 22:30.25 | fourat | ahh :) |
| 22:30.38 | deadcat | anabain_: prism chipset, madwifi, and so on. |
| 22:30.39 | itchi | fourat: Look with modconf. I guess it's loaded at boot time |
| 22:31.02 | liable_ | deadcat: should be able to find it with the search function i guess.. |
| 22:31.02 | fourat | ~# modconf |
| 22:31.06 | fourat | -su: modconf: command not found |
| 22:31.12 | fourat | ~# apt-file search modconf |
| 22:31.14 | fourat | dahb-html: usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/modconf.html |
| 22:31.14 | fourat | vim-runtime: usr/share/vim/vim64/syntax/modconf.vim |
| 22:31.16 | fourat | wops |
| 22:31.17 | itchi | anabain_: You could also use modconf. It's need to be installed fourat |
| 22:31.19 | fourat | sorry for pasting |
| 22:31.34 | fourat | didnt get the package for that |
| 22:31.47 | itchi | fourat: apt-get install modconf |
| 22:32.00 | stew | fourat: "apt-file search bin/modconf" should tell you it's in the "modconf" package |
| 22:32.03 | fourat | it was stupid :) |
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| 22:33.09 | itchi | anabain_: modconf are very usefull to know a bit what modules are already available. Like in you're case, it's very usefull i think |
| 22:33.27 | kbrooks | !based on debian |
| 22:33.28 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 22:34.10 | fourat | itchi, snd-mixer-oss and snd-pcm-oss ? |
| 22:34.14 | itchi | fourat: I'm not sure :-/ |
| 22:34.15 | anabain_ | itchi, do you mean looking at what wireless-related modules are already built in the kernel? |
| 22:34.42 | itchi | anabain_: Available yes, or for future hardware to |
| 22:35.37 | itchi | anabain_: If it's there, sure it's work. If it's not there it's possible that you need to build the module by the hand, if possible |
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| 22:36.48 | anabain_ | itchi, the problem is that I've tried to compile some modules for a rt2561 rt61 Ralink card and it's being problematic... |
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| 22:37.26 | itchi | anabain_: Aaai, i'm not so far with my knowledges :-( |
| 22:37.36 | jelly-home | itchi: at least "itchi IS bad in English". Or "itchi's English is bad" |
| 22:37.52 | anabain_ | thanks, anyway, itchi |
| 22:37.56 | itchi | jelly-home: ;-) |
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| 22:38.39 | fourat | goodnight all |
| 22:38.54 | itchi | jelly-home: Yeah, i remain with some troubles of it. I hope i remember it a day. Compicated :-/ |
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| 22:40.10 | itchi | jelly-home: Him runn after me with an big hamer. He want to kill me again :-/ |
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| 22:40.59 | jelly-home | itchi: it is complicated, but school helps. |
| 22:41.32 | itchi | jelly-home: Yes, but it's not my native language :-( How many languages could you talk? |
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| 22:42.36 | jelly-home | itchi: 2.2. I count Italian for 0.2, it's about as good as your english, maybe worse. |
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| 22:42.52 | itchi | jelly-home: Thanks :-( |
| 22:43.07 | jelly-home | itchi: I've learned English for 9 years though, I did say that school helps. ;-) |
| 22:43.23 | itchi | jelly-home: I get no school :-( |
| 22:43.39 | itchi | jelly-home: Im a nerd :-( |
| 22:43.40 | marco13185 | is it possible to bind a mouse button to a key on a keyboard? |
| 22:44.01 | itchi | marco13185: Could someone help him. 2 days he ask it |
| 22:44.25 | itchi | marco13185: I guess these extra buttons?? |
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| 22:45.44 | marco13185 | itchi, ya, I have an MX518 |
| 22:46.04 | marco13185 | itchi, and I want to bind the arrow buttons to 3ddesk |
| 22:46.24 | USmarine | it's possible |
| 22:46.28 | itchi | marco13185: Ola, it's looks very beautifull as mouse |
| 22:46.29 | USmarine | at least with kde it is |
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| 22:46.45 | marco13185 | yes, especially with the fake dents itchi |
| 22:46.50 | marco13185 | cost a pretty penny though ;) |
| 22:46.55 | marco13185 | USmarine, I use xfce though |
| 22:47.16 | Chris_Tucker | is there a way to tell SSH to IGNORE if a remote hosts' identification has changed? |
| 22:47.16 | USmarine | well, look through the doc of your window manager then |
| 22:47.28 | USmarine | yes |
| 22:47.35 | itchi | marco13185: If you view my old bullet mouse here. Orh, it's and old basic blanc one :-/ It's looks modern :-) |
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| 22:47.52 | Chris_Tucker | if so, how |
| 22:48.30 | kreg_work | anyone ever used one of those usb to serial (db9) adapters? what do you tell minicom to latch onto? |
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| 22:49.31 | USmarine | Chris_Tucker, $EDITOR /etc/ssh/config_file |
| 22:49.40 | USmarine | should be there the option |
| 22:50.10 | itchi | marco13185: apt-cache show lomoco |
| 22:50.46 | kreg_work | Chris_Tucker, i've never tried that, but i have just manually gone into the known_hosts file and just removed the entry that is now out of date |
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| 22:51.09 | ryan` | is ftp.us.debian.org down? |
| 22:51.31 | itchi | marco13185: This lesser 'apt-cache show xbindkeys' |
| 22:51.45 | itchi | ryan`: ping? |
| 22:52.05 | ryan` | yeah, can't hit it on http tho |
| 22:52.18 | itchi | ryan`: Looks down |
| 22:52.19 | USmarine | ryan`, might be with your isp |
| 22:52.46 | itchi | arg, it work now |
| 22:52.51 | Chris_Tucker | USmarine, no luck there |
| 22:53.10 | USmarine | Chris_Tucker, ? |
| 22:53.35 | itchi | marco13185: Let it know how it goes |
| 22:53.39 | liable | marco13185: xfce has options for that, its in settings-> window manager (or keyboard for newer versions) |
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| 22:54.00 | ryan` | hmmmm |
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| 22:54.36 | USmarine | Chris_Tucker, you want the client to ignore right? or the server? |
| 22:54.44 | Chris_Tucker | USmarine, i set rsa and all that stuff to "no" and yet i still get annoyed when connecting to the remote host if the key doesnt match, it would be preferable to make this change on the ssh command line, as its only needed for one dns connection, of which the key could change any time, and i do not want answer to the hosts prob every time |
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| 22:54.51 | Chris_Tucker | USmarine, the client |
| 22:55.17 | USmarine | why dont you just do: rm .ssh/know_host && ssh host .... |
| 22:55.18 | ryan` | iptables issue :/ |
| 22:57.00 | liable | Chris_Tucker: isnt it the set sctrict option on client |
| 22:57.00 | liable | ? |
| 22:57.03 | Chris_Tucker | USmarine, its not possible for this purpose |
| 22:57.22 | pipeline | kreg_work: Those USB to serial adapters give me fits. ;_; |
| 22:57.32 | pipeline | kreg_work: I have no useful suggestions. I went out of my way to buy a laptop with serial. |
| 22:57.33 | jelly-home | Chris_Tucker: edit the .ssh/known_hosts and delete the old ident for that host. |
| 22:57.35 | Chris_Tucker | liable, yes, however all that does is doesnt prompt if the host isnt in the known hosts, if its there, and changed, it still denies |
| 22:57.44 | Chris_Tucker | jelly-home, not possible for this use |
| 22:58.03 | liable | Chris_Tucker: oh. hrm, thats stupid |
| 22:58.09 | Chris_Tucker | if it were that easy i would do it, but this requires an all-in-the-command solution |
| 22:58.18 | marco13185 | itchi, thanks |
| 22:58.19 | Chris_Tucker | liable, ya, no kidding |
| 22:58.29 | itchi | marco13185: Working ?? |
| 22:58.29 | jelly-home | Chris_Tucker: easy with a bit of scripting. |
| 22:58.33 | marco13185 | itchi, now I have to figure out how to to specify a mouse key |
| 22:58.40 | marco13185 | but at least now it's possible :D |
| 22:58.47 | marco13185 | with xbindkeys |
| 22:58.57 | liable | Chris_Tucker: checkhostip? |
| 22:59.06 | itchi | marco13185: You need to experiment. I have an 20 years old mouse here :-/ |
| 22:59.27 | marco13185 | how can I tell if X has detected the buttons on my mouse though |
| 22:59.39 | simonrvn | you can move it? :) |
| 22:59.47 | simonrvn | and click them ? :) |
| 22:59.48 | marco13185 | simonrvn, the other buttons |
| 22:59.55 | jelly-home | Chris_Tucker: what _can_ you change in your environment? can you change $HOME so that ssh doesn't look in known_hosts? |
| 23:00.10 | itchi | simonrvn: He mean the additional buttons. Back/forward etc |
| 23:00.24 | Chris_Tucker | i suppose i could have the known hosts file deleted by cron at intervals, and use -o stricthostkeychecking=no |
| 23:00.27 | dvs | itchi: the wheel? |
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| 23:00.52 | itchi | dvs: It's an compaq one :-p So old is he not. Whas joking. But it' |
| 23:00.58 | Chris_Tucker | jelly-home, there shouldnt be a need like that, because i want all ssh sessions that happen for this user OTHER than this one to be unaffected by this change |
| 23:00.58 | deadcat | WOW.. in links2, you can use the mouse to click on links. (=.. this is without -x option (= just using a terminal |
| 23:01.16 | itchi | dvs: But's its one of 5, 6 years ago, sure |
| 23:01.38 | jelly-home | Chris_Tucker: well, change HOME before you invoke ssh. |
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| 23:02.00 | simonrvn | deadcat: yup, as long as it isn't in screen, that is |
| 23:02.11 | itchi | dvs: But i have an old IBM mouse in my collection ;-) its of my old 486 |
| 23:02.15 | jelly-home | Chris_Tucker: HOME=/dev/shm/anywhere ssh somewhere |
| 23:02.39 | itchi | dvs: But sure, i want never use it anymore ;-) |
| 23:02.53 | Chris_Tucker | well thanks all, i have a solution |
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| 23:03.42 | deadcat | simonrvn: ya.. fancy since i was gonna ue the mouse to copy the highlighted text and it tried to download the file (= |
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| 23:04.39 | smacnay | How does one find out when a package will be upgraded next? Specifically iptables? |
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| 23:05.01 | kreg_work | pipeline, well, i just not got it working on /dev/ttyUSB0 *shrug* but i do know what you meant |
| 23:05.13 | kreg_work | pipeline, i still try to find a lappy with a real serial port |
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| 23:09.10 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 23:09.59 | solemnwarning | How can I downgrade to the last libfreetype6? |
| 23:10.18 | streuner | solemnwarning: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:10.37 | solemnwarning | wtf |
| 23:10.44 | streuner | answer our question |
| 23:10.47 | Rug | Where/What is the log/error file for fstab errors? I have 3 NFS shares that my box isn't mounting on boot. |
| 23:10.47 | solemnwarning | libc6 == libfreetype6?? |
| 23:10.52 | streuner | no |
| 23:11.00 | solemnwarning | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 23:11.13 | streuner | Rug: run 'mount -a' and see the output |
| 23:11.16 | solemnwarning | The latest libfreetype broken oo.o |
| 23:11.23 | streuner | oh |
| 23:11.24 | Rug | streuner: thanks |
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| 23:11.29 | Akbar | where can I find some gaim beta 3 debs? :P |
| 23:11.36 | stew | solemnwarning: apt-get install package=version |
| 23:11.47 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 23:11.49 | Akbar | sarge backports.. |
| 23:12.09 | solemnwarning | I should install 2.1.7-2.4 to fix oo.o? |
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| 23:12.23 | marco13185 | itchi, <3 |
| 23:12.36 | Rug | streuner: I think I found it. looks like it was erroring out on a USB device and not proceeding past that point on the mount |
| 23:12.48 | itchi | marco13185: I not understand |
| 23:12.51 | streuner | solemnwarning: look into /var/lib/dpkg/info via ls -lt and see what you have installed before |
| 23:13.01 | marco13185 | itchi, I got it to work with xbindkeys, thanks |
| 23:13.07 | anabain_ | to extract drivers from a w$.exe which is the prog? cabextract? |
| 23:13.23 | stew | solemnwarning: what version of libfreetype6 do you have installed now? |
| 23:13.25 | streuner | anabain_: heh |
| 23:13.26 | itchi | marco13185: Good news. I need to remember for the next person ;-) |
| 23:13.38 | anabain_ | streuner, ??? |
| 23:13.41 | solemnwarning | 2.1.7-2.5 |
| 23:13.42 | itchi | marco13185: And now you know how to and tell to others ;-) |
| 23:13.44 | solemnwarning | 2.1.7-2.4 worked |
| 23:13.45 | marco13185 | itchi, if you can :P remember that buttons 9 and 10 are the arrows on logitech mice |
| 23:13.45 | streuner | anabain_: what kind of apps/tool is that, btw? |
| 23:13.46 | marco13185 | :D |
| 23:14.09 | stew | solemnwarning: have you checked the bts? /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:14.12 | itchi | marco13185: We see ;-) |
| 23:14.23 | streuner | stew: he's running sarge... |
| 23:14.36 | stew | streuner: yes, i saw that |
| 23:14.39 | streuner | hm |
| 23:14.53 | anabain_ | I want to extract w$ drivers for a wireless card, RaLink RT2561ST RT61, very problematic with linux's drivers, as usual, streuner |
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| 23:15.02 | streuner | solemnwarning: so why did you change your sources.list? |
| 23:15.14 | solemnwarning | what are you talking about? |
| 23:15.24 | solemnwarning | 2.1.7-2.5 was an update from s.d.o |
| 23:15.31 | solemnwarning | But it broke oo.o |
| 23:15.47 | streuner | and oo is out of backports... |
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| 23:16.01 | streuner | or not? |
| 23:16.02 | stew | solemnwarning: check the bts, you should be installing 2.1.7-3 |
| 23:16.11 | solemnwarning | 2.1.7-2.4 worked |
| 23:16.31 | streuner | !sdn |
| 23:16.32 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 23:16.35 | stew | !dbugs 372719 |
| 23:16.38 | dpkg | #372719:G[libfreetype6] Freetype and OpenOffice; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:04:10 UTC |
| 23:16.43 | solemnwarning | And 2.1.7-3 is not in stable |
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| 23:16.52 | stew | solemnwarning: it will be soon |
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| 23:16.57 | solemnwarning | And? |
| 23:17.03 | solemnwarning | I want to use openoffice now |
| 23:17.10 | stew | solemnwarning: read that bug |
| 23:17.18 | solemnwarning | I'll install 2.1.7-3 when it comes in :P |
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| 23:20.21 | drasko | hiall |
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| 23:26.44 | sscanf | why can't I log in to some things like cups as root now that I installed/configured winbind for out NT Domain? |
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| 23:27.00 | sscanf | s/out/our/ |
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| 23:27.04 | azeem | sscanf: login to cups? |
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| 23:27.28 | sscanf | admin tasks require a cups admin login if you are limited rights user |
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| 23:27.48 | azeem | why don't you use the web interface? |
| 23:27.58 | sscanf | I am |
| 23:28.11 | sscanf | still requires the proper credentials |
| 23:28.20 | NewGirl | someone can help me with sed command. i would liek to replace all word "VERSION1" to "VERSION2" someone may help me? |
| 23:28.21 | sscanf | strange |
| 23:28.27 | NewGirl | in a text.. |
| 23:28.39 | azeem | NewGirl: did you read the sed manual? |
| 23:28.54 | sscanf | I can log in to tty1, ssh, etc |
| 23:28.56 | azeem | sscanf: there's a difference between a cupsys admin and root, btw, I think |
| 23:29.12 | azeem | sscanf: what do you mean "login" with respect to cups? |
| 23:29.13 | itchi | NewGirl: Yes, because if you play/experiment with fire without knowing that it could do you pain :-/ |
| 23:29.27 | azeem | itchi: huh? |
| 23:29.33 | NewGirl | ? |
| 23:29.34 | drasko | hia all. I just did dist-upgrade from Sarge to testing and can not rise X. Log says it can not open module nvidia, although I have xserver-xorg-video-nv package installed |
| 23:29.40 | sscanf | well, for what it is worh, root worked just fine until I set up winbind and played with all the pam.d files |
| 23:29.41 | itchi | azeem: Does matter |
| 23:29.43 | NewGirl | actually, i forget how to use sed X( |
| 23:29.54 | NewGirl | i didnt use that command for a couple of months |
| 23:30.02 | azeem | NewGirl: it's sed s/OLD/NEW/ file, basically |
| 23:30.08 | NewGirl | thanks |
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| 23:30.51 | sscanf | I tried changing the order of some of the pam.d auth requirements |
| 23:31.15 | sscanf | I am going to try something |
| 23:31.19 | NewGirl | it's sed s/"version1"/"version2"/ file.txt seem not to work |
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| 23:31.46 | drasko | hia all. I just did dist-upgrade from Sarge to testing and can not rise X. Log says it can not open module nvidia, although I have xserver-xorg-video-nv package installed |
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| 23:32.33 | azeem | NewGirl: sed is stream based |
| 23:32.48 | stew | drasko: xserver-xorg-video-nv provides the free nv driver not the non-free nvidia driver |
| 23:32.58 | stew | !drxxorg drasko |
| 23:32.59 | dpkg | $1: <reply> $1: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5> |
| 23:33.09 | stew | hrm |
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| 23:35.12 | beardy | !literal cmd: (.*?) drxxorg |
| 23:35.32 | beardy | !literal cmd: drxxorg (.*?= |
| 23:35.34 | beardy | !literal cmd: drxxorg (.*?=) |
| 23:35.36 | beardy | !literal cmd: drxxorg (.*?) |
| 23:35.38 | beardy | damnit.. |
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| 23:36.34 | kepht | NewGirl, sed -e 's/this/that/' filename > newfilename |
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| 23:38.08 | beardy | !drxxorg stew |
| 23:38.08 | dpkg | stew: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5> |
| 23:38.17 | stew | beardy: thanks |
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| 23:38.30 | Gnurdux | my kernel was too old |
| 23:38.32 | dvs | !beer Gnurdux |
| 23:38.45 | dvs | Gnurdux: what? 2.2.20? |
| 23:38.56 | Gnurdux | 2.6.12 i think |
| 23:38.59 | ryan` | 1.3.6 |
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| 23:39.12 | dvs | Gnurdux: that's old? |
| 23:39.15 | drasko | stew, still no luck. It can not recognize driver... Can it have something to do with udev, because it complains something about udev during the boot, as it needs higher kernel version... |
| 23:39.22 | Gnurdux | for the experimental mesa, yes |
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| 23:41.03 | stew | drasko: what is the exact error you are getting? /msg dpkg paster |
| 23:41.19 | elliptic | what is a exactly a dpkg diversion ? |
| 23:41.35 | kepht | libfreetype6 broken? |
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| 23:41.50 | Gnurdux | hey... i have a question |
| 23:41.58 | dvs | Gnurdux: tough! |
| 23:41.59 | Gnurdux | why does installing a newer kernel say gnome-volume-manager hal hotplug |
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| 23:42.03 | Gnurdux | will be removed |
| 23:42.15 | elliptic | -a |
| 23:42.19 | dvs | Gnurdux: because they've been superceded by udev |
| 23:42.23 | Gnurdux | ahh |
| 23:42.26 | Gnurdux | all of them? |
| 23:42.30 | dvs | yup |
| 23:42.33 | stew | elliptic: man dpkg-divert |
| 23:42.35 | Gnurdux | ah |
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| 23:42.45 | Gnurdux | at some point i held udev cause it wasnt letting me upgrade |
| 23:43.02 | dvs | Gnurdux: is it still held? |
| 23:43.03 | Gnurdux | then unholding it was gonna make it delete hal and hotplug so i didnt |
| 23:43.05 | stew | Gnurdux: are you mixing testing/unsatble with stable? |
| 23:43.10 | Gnurdux | dvs, apt is auto-unholding it |
| 23:43.30 | stew | Gnurdux: gnome-volume-manager and hal are not superceded by udev btw |
| 23:43.41 | stew | Gnurdux: what kernel are you installing? |
| 23:43.45 | Gnurdux | 2.6.16 |
| 23:43.47 | Gnurdux | *17 |
| 23:43.59 | dvs | oh? you compiled it yourself? I guess so |
| 23:44.10 | stew | Gnurdux: from backports or from unstable? |
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| 23:45.00 | dn4 | plugin.c:22:20: error: rasqal.h: No such file or directoryv <-- what is rasqal.h? |
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| 23:45.06 | elliptic | thank you very much stew |
| 23:45.12 | abrotman | !find rasqal.h sarge |
| 23:45.21 | dn4 | !find rasqal.h |
| 23:45.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rasqal.h' (1): (/usr/include/rasqal.h) in libdevel/librasqal0-dev. |
| 23:45.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rasqal.h' (1): (/usr/include/rasqal.h) in libdevel/librasqal0-dev. |
| 23:45.44 | abrotman | dn4: apt-cache show librasql0 |
| 23:46.15 | kepht | using testing, getting error with libfreetype6-2..2.1-2 "while loading shared libraries: libfreetype.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" ..tried purge/reinstall, how to fix? |
| 23:47.00 | dn4 | Get: 140 2006-06-17-1337.37.pdiff [13.6kB] <-- what is this?> |
| 23:47.12 | Gnurdux | stew, from testing |
| 23:47.15 | dn4 | Get: 152 2006-06-19-1355.22.pdiff [10.5kB] <-- lots of these |
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| 23:47.30 | drasko | stew, I can't paste - I do not have X. I am chatting from console... It says xf860OpenSerial: Cannot open dveice /dev/input/mice... No core pointer. |
| 23:47.34 | stew | Gnurdux: you should not be mixing testing packages into your stable intsall, use backports.org instead /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:47.36 | dn4 | librasqal0-dev - Rasqal RDF query library development libraries and headers |
| 23:47.45 | azeem | !tell dn4 about pdiff |
| 23:47.45 | Gnurdux | stew, who said i was in stable? |
| 23:47.46 | stew | drasko: "modprobe mousedev" |
| 23:47.47 | abrotman | i guess that's what it is |
| 23:47.54 | Gnurdux | lol stew im on testing |
| 23:48.10 | dvs | 2.6.17 is in testing? |
| 23:48.17 | stew | Gnurdux: the fact that you hae both hotplug and gnome-volume-manager installed means you are running at least some stable packages becuase those would be conflicting in testing or unstable |
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| 23:48.50 | paolob | Hi guys. In my debian testing/unstable gphoto can't claim the usb device, and therefore I can't download the photos from the camera. It's a problem with permissions, because if I do it as root I haven't any problem: what permissions should I modify? thank you! |
| 23:48.55 | drasko | stew, mice: PS/2mouse device common for all mice |
| 23:49.06 | stew | drasko: now try starting x again |
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| 23:50.34 | drasko | stew, you are a genious! |
| 23:51.18 | dvs | drasko: well, i don't know about that ;-) |
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| 23:51.30 | sscanf | nah |
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| 23:51.39 | sscanf | rebooting didn't help |
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| 23:51.57 | sscanf | strange that sudo works but ksudo doesn't |
| 23:52.15 | sscanf | I can log into a terminal & ssh, but not graphically |
| 23:52.20 | sscanf | (as root that is) |
| 23:52.43 | drasko | stew, but how come mouse module was not present? And will it dissapear again after reboot? |
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| 23:52.58 | abrotman | it won't if you put it in /etc/modules |
| 23:52.59 | stew | drasko: put "mousedev" into /etc/modules |
| 23:53.01 | sscanf | I mean, doesn't ksudo use the exact same auth configs as terminal sudo? |
| 23:53.08 | Gnurdux | that fixed it :) |
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| 23:53.19 | stew | Gnurdux: the fact that you hae both hotplug and gnome-volume-manager installed means you are running at least some stable packages becuase those would be conflicting in testing or unstable |
| 23:53.19 | drasko | Thank you all |
| 23:53.19 | stew | ugh |
| 23:54.07 | abrotman | stew: give up .. i did! :) |
| 23:54.22 | sscanf | s/ksudo/kdesu/ |
| 23:54.30 | dvs | Gnurdux is gone anyways |
| 23:54.31 | drasko | But still, I just did dist-upgrade, and run into this... I have no explanation why did it messed with mouse module. |
| 23:55.25 | sscanf | this should help narrow the problem, though |
| 23:55.30 | sscanf | "kdesu -u root gedit" |
| 23:55.33 | drasko | stew, I have psmouse in /etc/modules. Should i replace it with mousedev? |
| 23:55.37 | sscanf | asks my root password |
| 23:55.46 | streuner | drasko: no |
| 23:55.54 | streuner | drasko: just add it |
| 23:56.03 | sscanf | then when I type it |
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| 23:56.09 | stew | drasko: no, leave that and add mousedev. you probably have to specify this manually because hotplug used to load it for you but now you have udev which isn't yet smart enough to load it for you |
| 23:56.13 | sscanf | it says incorrect password |
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| 23:56.36 | drasko | streuner, stew, thanks |
| 23:56.39 | sscanf | oh dear |
| 23:56.46 | sscanf | su says the same thing |
| 23:56.57 | dvs | stew: "which isn't yet smart enough to load it for you" heh |
| 23:57.09 | sscanf | but then why can I still log into a terminal as root?? |
| 23:57.19 | drasko | stew, btw, as I said, now udev fails on boot. It asks for higher kernel version. This must be the reason why it was not loaded. |
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