| 00:00.03 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, I have to eliminate possible points of failure that's why I asked in here. I don't know if the drives are SATA, have you got a way of finding from within the OS? If they were SATA would a 2.4 kernel boot and a 2.6 kernel would not? |
| 00:00.12 | mettallicat | hey people i can't login .. get this error i don't know how to resolve that : http://pastebin.ca/68700 |
| 00:00.22 | loiic | I just got a fresh new server with debian, and i dont actually remember the dpkg-reconfigure package that should be used to reconfigure the defaults settings like the apt sources, the hostname etc |
| 00:00.24 | dondelelcaro | eleftherios: yes, they would, because root is /dev/sda2 now, not /dev/hda2 |
| 00:00.39 | benny`work | kyncani: just played around a bit with procmail but without success...do you have an example? |
| 00:00.42 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, the only difference I can see is that the 2.4 kernel (which does not have a corresponding .deb according to dpkg -l) does not have an initrd image |
| 00:01.15 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, well the /dev/hda2 entry exists for the 2.4 kernel which boots so it can't be that |
| 00:01.24 | dondelelcaro | eleftherios: yes, it can... |
| 00:01.26 | kyncani | benny`work: plenty on the net, google is your friend :) |
| 00:01.33 | mettallicat | hey people i can't login .. get this error i don't know how to resolve that : http://pastebin.ca/68700 ?? |
| 00:01.42 | dondelelcaro | eleftherios: what was hda2 in 2.4 is now sda2. |
| 00:01.56 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, hm I see |
| 00:02.16 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, a 2.6.10 kernel was loading fine earlier so we can elliminate this possiblity |
| 00:02.30 | stoned | everytime I mount something with nfs, evne mention the option soft, if net connection breaks for any reason, nfs hangs, instead of just erroring out. |
| 00:02.34 | dondelelcaro | eleftherios: no, you can't. the mapping changed around 2.6.11 or so iirc. |
| 00:02.39 | eleftherios | oh I see |
| 00:02.45 | stoned | what am I doing wrong, are there any other options besides 'soft' that I need to be aware of? |
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| 00:02.51 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, hm, so it sounds like it might be that... |
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| 00:03.05 | stoned | btw, I am specifying soft as the mount option |
| 00:03.21 | dondelelcaro | eleftherios: it would be rather trivial to figure out if you could get the actual error message rather than the interpretation of the error mesage... |
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| 00:03.56 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, I have to email these tech. support guys and get the message. |
| 00:04.10 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, something tells me they won't remember what it was... |
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| 00:04.39 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, at the same time, do you think there is a way I can determine if the drives are SATA from within the OS? |
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| 00:04.56 | abrotman | get the model number from dmesg .. but i doubt they're sata |
| 00:05.06 | mettallicat | please some one can help me ? |
| 00:05.47 | abrotman | mettallicat: running unstable? |
| 00:05.51 | dondelelcaro | mettallicat: that's a known bug in dbus, there's a bug in the bts, and an upload which has been made (or will be made shortly) |
| 00:06.00 | mettallicat | abrotman, yess |
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| 00:06.13 | eleftherios | abrotman, if they are not sata do you have any ideas about what the problem might be? |
| 00:06.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell mettallicat -about bts |
| 00:06.20 | mettallicat | dondelelcaro, u know a repo with that fixed ? |
| 00:06.21 | abrotman | eleftherios: your computer hates you ? |
| 00:06.22 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 374812 |
| 00:06.25 | dpkg | DONE:#374812:G[dbus] dbus prevent X11 to start; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:18:27 UTC |
| 00:07.04 | mettallicat | bugs.debian.../dbus ? |
| 00:07.10 | dondelelcaro | mettallicat: yes. |
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| 00:07.23 | mettallicat | dondelelcaro, kay |
| 00:07.35 | streuner | mettallicat: downgrade would work too |
| 00:07.53 | eastwood | mettallicat, tas aki lol |
| 00:07.58 | mettallicat | streuner, i can dowgrade dbus without the rest of the system |
| 00:08.06 | mettallicat | eastwood, pa bilha :D |
| 00:08.07 | streuner | yes |
| 00:08.09 | loiic | sorry to say again but, does anyone know which package should be reconfigured using dpkg-reconfigure, to reset the default settings of the installation, such as hostname, source list for apt, etc, basically everything that is set up after the reboot during the installation process |
| 00:08.15 | mettallicat | streuner, how ? |
| 00:08.35 | streuner | mettallicat: dpkg -i (old)dbus*.deb? |
| 00:08.48 | loiic | used that many time, but cant figure it out anymore, havent been playing with a debian for too long |
| 00:08.55 | azeem | streuner: are you sure this works? |
| 00:08.57 | mettallicat | humm ... leeme check if i have it |
| 00:08.58 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Is it normal that fglrx-driver is not present in Etch ? |
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| 00:09.03 | five0 | any of you own a crumpler bag? |
| 00:09.14 | azeem | ah, it's the unstable breakage |
| 00:09.18 | streuner | azeem: uhm, i just did it here... |
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| 00:09.26 | streuner | ii dbus 0.61-6 simple interprocess messaging system |
| 00:09.49 | _Deimos_ | loiic, base-install ? |
| 00:10.08 | mettallicat | streuner, dpkg - warning: downgrading dbus from 0.62-1 to 0.61-6. |
| 00:10.10 | MatBoy | stew, are you there ? |
| 00:10.32 | loiic | base-install is not installed i do get that with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:10.34 | azeem | 0.62-2 seems to be on the mirrors now |
| 00:10.54 | mettallicat | streuner, it worked :D tks |
| 00:11.01 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I want an little confirmation that it's not available :-/ I guess there are an little touble or so? |
| 00:11.02 | eleftherios | abrotman, it is not that the server hates me. It had a couple of kernels which were not even installed using debian packages (or dpkg -l doesn't show them) and this was supossed to be a vanilla Etch install. Terrible stuff. |
| 00:11.05 | stew | MatBoy: yeah |
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| 00:11.24 | abrotman | eleftherios: etch doesn't install a 2.4.18bf kernel |
| 00:11.31 | eleftherios | abrotman, exactly |
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| 00:11.46 | abrotman | eleftherios: sounds like the techs f'ed up |
| 00:11.51 | eleftherios | abrotman, big time |
| 00:12.03 | dondelelcaro | itchi: see packages.debian.org if you want to know. |
| 00:12.14 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it appears to only be available in unstable. |
| 00:12.19 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I have already look :-/ |
| 00:12.26 | dondelelcaro | itchi: then it's not in testing. |
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| 00:12.38 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Is it 10 days wait time ? |
| 00:12.44 | eleftherios | abrotman, so now that I have actually installed kernel-image-2.6-k7 and updated grub, the new kernels won't boot |
| 00:12.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell itchi -about why fglrx-driver is not in testing |
| 00:13.04 | MatBoy | stew, the server was not hacked |
| 00:13.10 | eleftherios | I also see some vmlinuz symbolic links under / |
| 00:13.12 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Thanks, so i'm sure and no search for nothings ;-) |
| 00:13.24 | abrotman | eleftherios: did you install the dependencies? |
| 00:13.36 | MatBoy | stew, it was a bug in awstats that made it possible to run a eggdrop |
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| 00:14.00 | abrotman | wasn't that bug known .. like .. months ago ? |
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| 00:14.15 | MatBoy | abrotman, there were a few |
| 00:14.19 | eleftherios | abrotman, aren't all dependencies automatically installed? |
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| 00:14.27 | andreasdk | G'evening |
| 00:14.28 | stew | MatBoy: if an outside attacker could run an eggdrop, how do you know they didnt' do anything else? |
| 00:14.34 | anabain | which is the lightest display manager? |
| 00:14.35 | abrotman | eleftherios: they can be forced |
| 00:14.45 | abrotman | !tell anabain about dm |
| 00:14.46 | andreasdk | Can someone please help me set up this newborn Sarge puppy? |
| 00:14.48 | eleftherios | abrotman, what are the dependencies and how can I force them to be installed? |
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| 00:15.07 | MatBoy | stew, because it was known. It was just to check what was done... It will be reinstalled I guess :) I was only someone that had to search too :) |
| 00:15.21 | abrotman | !depends linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 etch |
| 00:15.32 | stew | MatBoy: did you install eggdrop on the machine? |
| 00:15.35 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.15-1-686: depends on module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13), initramfs-tools | yaird | linux-initramfs-tool |
| 00:15.44 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Can i some else find technically why it's not available, whe never know if i could help or test |
| 00:15.46 | spider-bot | is debian the most popular linux flavor? |
| 00:15.49 | MatBoy | stew, nope |
| 00:15.51 | abrotman | stew: have you ever broken a bearing? |
| 00:15.54 | MatBoy | stew, why ? |
| 00:15.55 | abrotman | spider-bot: distrowatch.com |
| 00:16.09 | MatBoy | abrotman, that is simple |
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| 00:16.14 | itchi | dondelelcaro: So, i had not been view :-/ |
| 00:16.16 | eleftherios | !depends linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 00:16.16 | abrotman | MatBoy: eh? |
| 00:16.18 | stew | MatBoy: if they were able to install software on your box and execute it, your server was hacked. i wouldn't have confidence that all they did was run an eggdrop |
| 00:16.20 | eleftherios | !depends linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 etch |
| 00:16.29 | anabain | abrotman, I can't find any pdm display-manager package |
| 00:16.30 | MatBoy | abrotman, beering... hammer... it will not rotate anymore :P |
| 00:16.30 | stew | abrotman: broken? no |
| 00:16.33 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Sorry i mean |
| 00:16.34 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7: depends on module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13), initramfs-tools | yaird | linux-initramfs-tool |
| 00:16.37 | stew | abrotman: why? did you? |
| 00:16.44 | abrotman | stew: eh .. i'm not sure .. my front wheel sounds funny |
| 00:16.50 | abrotman | stew: like a roulette wheel sometimes |
| 00:17.01 | MatBoy | stew, in my opinion also not... but who am I... not my box :) |
| 00:17.24 | andreasdk | Please... I've been trying to install Debian for more than 24 hours now. Will someone please guide me throug the upgrade part and set up XFCE 4.2 with me? |
| 00:17.27 | MatBoy | stew, I know that they ran it in the /tmp where evereything was located |
| 00:17.29 | abrotman | MatBoy: i've never broken a bearing on a bike .. and i'm an old fart .. now skateboards .. yeah .. crushed lots of bearings :) |
| 00:18.09 | MatBoy | abrotman, hehe, a bike.. what have you done ? tried to brake the World Record Down Hill ?? :P |
| 00:18.14 | stew | abrotman: what kind of hub? do you know if it has loose balls or cartridge bearings? |
| 00:18.22 | eleftherios | abrotman, my module-init-tools are reported at version 3.2.2-3, and I have initramfs-tools installed |
| 00:18.37 | abrotman | stew: eh .. no i don't .. i noticed it on sunday too .. but it still rides .. just annoying .. |
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| 00:18.53 | alex_ | Hello, Does anyone know how to get crtl-click recognised as a right click by x11? |
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| 00:19.05 | anabain | does anyone if I can pipe the list of the dictionary used by apps like aspell, etc.? |
| 00:19.10 | spider-bot | wow, where the hell did ubuntu come from? |
| 00:19.12 | abrotman | eleftherios: and you don't know the real error ? |
| 00:19.14 | MatBoy | stew, but when a rootkitcheck does not let you see anything ? |
| 00:19.17 | abrotman | spider-bot: ask #ubuntu |
| 00:19.40 | MatBoy | stew, I know... only check... but still than... they ran it under the httpd-user |
| 00:19.43 | andreasdk | Please... I've been trying to install Debian for more than 24 hours now. Will someone please guide me throug the upgrade part and set up XFCE 4.2 with me? |
| 00:19.49 | eleftherios | abrotman, I just email support asking for the error message but I doubt they will tell me :-( |
| 00:20.03 | abrotman | eleftherios: that's great support :) |
| 00:20.03 | spider-bot | thanks abrotman. |
| 00:20.05 | stew | MatBoy: i've never had one find anything, and i've fixed a lot of boxes that were hacked for clients. and i've fixed a few boxes for clients that were hacked via awstats bugs |
| 00:20.21 | eleftherios | abrotman, at $29.95 for a Debian dedicated server per month I can't ask for much :-( |
| 00:20.32 | stew | MatBoy: several of them were running phishing sites as the http user, which a rootcheckkit wouldn't detect |
| 00:20.42 | alex_ | do you add a line to the xorg.conf file? |
| 00:20.42 | abrotman | eleftherios: which version of initramfs-tools ? |
| 00:20.43 | MatBoy | stew, mhh was my opinion also |
| 00:20.52 | MatBoy | stew, some other checks maybe ? |
| 00:20.53 | anabain | !tell pdm |
| 00:21.00 | abrotman | stew: i guess i could just wait for it to fall apart :) |
| 00:21.05 | eleftherios | abrotman, 0.60 |
| 00:21.13 | p40lo | hello |
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| 00:21.20 | abrotman | eleftherios: you're going to have to get the error from them .. is udev installed ? |
| 00:21.24 | anabain | !tell nopdm |
| 00:21.26 | p40lo | all ok ? |
| 00:21.33 | abrotman | anabain: which dm do you want? |
| 00:21.43 | anabain | the lightest one |
| 00:21.48 | alex_ | any X11 gurus here willing to help out a quasi-noob? |
| 00:21.49 | eleftherios | abrotman, udev 0.093-1 |
| 00:21.55 | abrotman | anabain: probably xdm |
| 00:21.58 | stew | abrotman: if its old, its likely got loose balls that can be replaced or repacked, if its pretty new and not really expensive it would have to eventually be replaced |
| 00:22.03 | anabain | ok, abrotman |
| 00:22.07 | abrotman | stew: two years ... |
| 00:22.15 | p40lo | here in italy nobody is chatting on debian-it |
| 00:22.29 | eleftherios | abrotman, they said they can provide kvm over IP for $25 per 24 hours. |
| 00:22.38 | andreasdk | Please... I've been trying to install Debian for more than 24 hours now. Will someone please guide me throug the upgrade part and set up XFCE 4.2 with me? |
| 00:22.38 | abrotman | eleftherios: jeez .. is that all ? :) |
| 00:22.43 | p40lo | they are all in bed |
| 00:22.55 | abrotman | p40lo: do you need help .. or a friend? |
| 00:23.01 | abrotman | andreasdk: did you install sarge? |
| 00:23.20 | eleftherios | abrotman, yes but I am still waiting for their responce for the actual error message |
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| 00:23.37 | andreasdk | abrotman: Yes. Sitting with a fresh Sarge net-install now. I've only installed tirc to get inhere to you guys. |
| 00:23.46 | p40lo | no, a little of chat |
| 00:23.49 | eleftherios | abrotman, I don't know how this kvm over ip works, I hope it does not require java installed |
| 00:24.04 | azeem | p40lo: this is a support channel, not a chat room |
| 00:24.19 | p40lo | today at 10 pm i go at work |
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| 00:24.29 | abrotman | andreasdk: xfce4.0 is in sarge .. is that acceptable? |
| 00:24.41 | itchi | ah non |
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| 00:24.50 | andreasdk | abrotman: No. It must be 4.2. |
| 00:24.56 | abrotman | !info xfce4 etch |
| 00:25.13 | itchi | quick guys here :-) |
| 00:25.16 | dpkg | xfce4: (meta-package for xfce4 dependencies), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.90.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 00:25.23 | abrotman | andreasdk: is 4.3 good enough ? |
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| 00:25.48 | p40lo | i control devices hardware of any architecture they are |
| 00:26.05 | eleftherios | abrotman, dondelelcaro here are the replies to our questions, for the actuall error message he said: "it was not able to locate the kernel." For the SATA drive: "it is NOT sata driver, it should be hda." |
| 00:26.11 | andreasdk | abrotman: Didn't know there was a 4.3 but i suppose it's better than 4.2 |
| 00:26.27 | abrotman | !tell andreasdk about sarge->etch |
| 00:26.46 | abrotman | andreasdk: be aware .. some things will break .. and sometimes badly |
| 00:27.17 | p40lo | today i got an sun ultra sparc 5 to control |
| 00:27.18 | andreasdk | Been there done that.... X refuses to start and nothing seems to fix the sman thing |
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| 00:27.33 | abrotman | well .. maybe sharing the error might help |
| 00:27.39 | andreasdk | This is the 5. install i've made - getting tired of it |
| 00:27.45 | five0 | andreasdk: is that 'damn' in disguise? |
| 00:27.52 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 00:28.23 | anabain | how can I reconfigure the X server if I have new Xorg stuff? |
| 00:28.39 | azeem | !drxx |
| 00:28.39 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 00:28.40 | stew | !drxxorg anabain |
| 00:28.41 | dpkg | anabain: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5> |
| 00:28.44 | andreasdk | I'll try to upgrade and et back to you when i'm done in order to set up xorg |
| 00:28.52 | andreasdk | Is that okay with you guys? |
| 00:28.54 | loiic | when i do dpkg-reconfigure base-config, the command hang up directly, nothing displayed on the screen, not even an error, does anyone know what its mean ? |
| 00:29.12 | azeem | loiic: it probably means base-config isn't installed |
| 00:29.21 | dondelelcaro | eleftherios: hrm... well, that doesn't make any sense based on what you're telling me then. |
| 00:29.53 | loiic | azeem when the package is not install dpkg-reconfigure trigger an error |
| 00:30.03 | azeem | loiic: sorry? |
| 00:30.11 | azeem | ah |
| 00:30.26 | azeem | loiic: well, then it might mean that package cannot be reconfigured like that |
| 00:30.27 | stew | loiic: just run "base-config" as root |
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| 00:31.01 | loiic | awesome stew, thanks |
| 00:31.06 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, I have given all the exact details :-/ |
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| 00:32.28 | anabain | which is the lightest/best performance method: framebuffer yes or framebuffer no ? |
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| 00:33.55 | rmbrain | Is there a speech to text converter? |
| 00:34.01 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, menu.lst: http://pastebin.ca/68724, /etc/fstab/: http://pastebin.ca/68725, fdisk /dev/hda/: http://pastebin.ca/68727 |
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| 00:34.48 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, if you find the problem I will donate the $25 for the kvm over IP to anywhere you like :-) |
| 00:35.07 | abrotman | eleftherios: how about the contents of dmesg? |
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| 00:35.20 | eleftherios | abrotman, one sec. I will paste them too |
| 00:35.33 | andreasdk | Upgrading to Etch now |
| 00:35.46 | eleftherios | abchirk, is that the output of dmesg command you are asking? |
| 00:35.48 | eleftherios | err |
| 00:35.53 | dondelelcaro | eleftherios: and ls -l /boot; would also be useful. |
| 00:35.53 | eleftherios | abrotman, is that the output of dmesg command you are asking? |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | eleftherios: yep |
| 00:36.18 | abrotman | or even ls / |
| 00:36.19 | calmar | it seems I can not change the dpi on xorg. i put DisplaySize 300 200 (or so) into the xorg.conf file. any hints? |
| 00:36.57 | calmar | I guess I better should have asked in #xorg :) |
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| 00:37.08 | calmar | thanks anyway.. |
| 00:37.13 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, abrotman ls -l /boot/: http://pastebin.ca/68729 |
| 00:37.26 | abrotman | eleftherios: ls -l / ? |
| 00:37.50 | andreasdk | abroman: Can i ask a simple question? |
| 00:38.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:38.12 | abrotman | oh .. wait .. no |
| 00:38.15 | abrotman | erm.. yes |
| 00:38.45 | andreasdk | abrotman: Whenever i search for something that returns a lot of results how can i move up through the results to see the first ones? |
| 00:38.57 | abrotman | andreasdk: search how ? |
| 00:39.05 | andreasdk | aptitude search |
| 00:39.06 | aptitude | hmm... search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 00:39.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:39.17 | andreasdk | hehe |
| 00:39.18 | abrotman | andreasdk: use more search terms |
| 00:39.22 | eleftherios | abrotman, dmesg output: http://pastebin.ca/68730 |
| 00:39.27 | andreasdk | i know i know |
| 00:40.08 | andreasdk | let's say i search for kde. that'l return me a line or two |
| 00:40.17 | andreasdk | ... or 200 |
| 00:40.32 | andreasdk | the screen will end with number 200 |
| 00:40.33 | eleftherios | abrotman, dondelelcaro, ls -l / http://pastebin.ca/68732 |
| 00:41.18 | andreasdk | how do i move up through them? the standard terminal in the sarge install hasn't got small arrows in the right side of the screen |
| 00:41.18 | abrotman | eleftherios: what did they say the error was again ? |
| 00:41.33 | abrotman | shift-pgup |
| 00:41.50 | eleftherios | abrotman, in his exact words: "it was not able to locate the kernel." |
| 00:41.54 | andreasdk | ahhh.... i tried pgup without luck |
| 00:42.37 | abrotman | eleftherios: paste the contents of lspci |
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| 00:42.44 | eleftherios | abrotman, one sec please |
| 00:43.28 | eleftherios | abrotman, lspci: http://pastebin.ca/68737 |
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| 00:44.03 | sandman | Okay, so I ran apt-get source wine, and got the wine-0.9.12 source tree (with the patches, etc). I also downloaded wine-0.9.15 (undebianized) from winehq.org, then cd'd to wine-0.9.12 (automatically created by the aforementioned apt-get procedure) and ran uupdate ../wine-0.9.15.tar.bz2 |
| 00:44.13 | andreasdk | 50% through the dist-upgrade |
| 00:44.26 | sandman | It created a new directory: wine-0.9.15. I want to build this now, how should I handle this? |
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| 00:45.20 | andreasdk | jemt: Are you from Denmark? that little muslim-hating country led by Fogh Rasmussen?! LOL |
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| 00:46.07 | abrotman | andreasdk: don't start that discussion please |
| 00:46.26 | UdontKnow | gotcha! |
| 00:46.32 | andreasdk | abrotman: point taken... just kidding... I'm a Dane myself |
| 00:46.43 | abrotman | i know |
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| 00:46.49 | abrotman | !beer UdontKnow |
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| 00:47.16 | Jemt | Ah, Debian is just working great now :) |
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| 00:48.11 | itchi | RvGaTe: Time to sleep man :-p it's 2:50 am in you're country |
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| 00:48.22 | itchi | RvGaTe: And how find you it ? |
| 00:48.35 | itchi | RvGaTe: Great he :-) |
| 00:48.55 | mzilikazi | had to use eth0 (wired LAN connection) to get rt2570 module built, now it's built and the interface is up, disconnected eth0, how to sell box to use eth1 now? |
| 00:49.02 | itchi | His first Debian install ^^ |
| 00:49.07 | mzilikazi | s/sell/tell |
| 00:49.08 | abrotman | !tell bl0w about away |
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| 00:50.12 | itchi | RvGaTe: If you want there is an #debian-nl, i not know if you know about it |
| 00:50.15 | andreasdk | !tell me about away |
| 00:50.17 | sandman | What exactly does this mean?: ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libstlport_gcc.so.4.6.#prelink#.NkPJhS is empty, not checked. |
| 00:50.26 | aum | hi - can anyone please recommend a good spamfilter that actually works (unlike SpamAssisster), and won't take 10 hours of trawling through (lack of) documentation (like DSPAM) ? |
| 00:50.38 | abrotman | aum: "Del" |
| 00:50.51 | aum | hi - can anyone please recommend a good *automatic* spamfilter that actually works (unlike SpamAssisster), and won't take 10 hours of trawling through (lack of) documentation (like DSPAM) ? |
| 00:50.52 | abrotman | aum: right next to "Insert" and "End" :) |
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| 00:51.14 | eleftherios | abrotman, found anything suspicious? |
| 00:51.14 | Jemt | aum: Is it for server use? If you are just looking for a client, Thunderbird has the best spamfilter available |
| 00:51.18 | abrotman | eleftherios: you have udev installed or not ? |
| 00:51.28 | mattl | has anyone seen a Debian package for Apache 2.2? |
| 00:51.31 | eleftherios | abrotman, dpkg -l says I do |
| 00:51.35 | abrotman | mattl: there isn't one |
| 00:51.36 | aum | Jemt: tbird's spamfilter lets a lot of spam through |
| 00:51.38 | abrotman | eleftherios: which ? |
| 00:51.52 | eleftherios | abrotman, ii udev 0.093-1 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 00:52.03 | Jemt | aum: Not here :) |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | i wonder if udev is screwing up |
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| 00:52.29 | mattl | abrotman: I'm currently on 1.3 - is 2.2 an upgrade of 2.0? If I move to 2.0, will the apache2 package, eventually be 2.2? |
| 00:52.39 | abrotman | mattl: which versin of debian ? |
| 00:52.40 | eleftherios | abrotman, why would it? |
| 00:52.41 | abrotman | version |
| 00:52.44 | mattl | Sarge. |
| 00:52.49 | abrotman | eleftherios: you'd be shocked |
| 00:52.56 | abrotman | mattl: sarge will only have 2.0 |
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| 00:53.50 | mattl | abrotman: so, 2.2 is a seperate product, and will eventually be released in etch or unstable, or something? |
| 00:53.58 | andreasdk | What's the difference between dialogue, readline and editor? |
| 00:54.14 | andreasdk | (sarge to Etch upgrade) |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | mattl: maybe .. i would guess it will be released with etch |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | andreasdk: chooose dialog |
| 00:54.24 | netcrash | Any idea on what to leave active for sata suport on a ALI chipset, I can't get it way the machine does not boot using kernel 2.6. |
| 00:54.29 | eleftherios | abrotman, if you have any ideas about trying possible solutions I am all ears then :-) |
| 00:54.41 | andreasdk | level of questioning.... |
| 00:54.45 | abrotman | eleftherios: what does the box say if you try to install hotplug ? |
| 00:54.49 | abrotman | andreasdk: that's up to you |
| 00:55.01 | andreasdk | suggestion for a noob? |
| 00:55.24 | eleftherios | abrotman, The following packages will be REMOVED: initramfs-tools kernel-image-2.6-k7 linux-image-2.6-k7 linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 udev |
| 00:55.29 | abrotman | bad! |
| 00:55.32 | abrotman | bad! |
| 00:55.44 | itchi | andreasdk: Try '/msg dpkg grounding', '/msg dpkg ref' |
| 00:55.55 | eleftherios | abrotman, are we on to something? |
| 00:55.58 | netcrash | Any idea on what to leave active for sata suport on a ALI chipset, I can't get it way the machine does not boot using kernel 2.6. |
| 00:56.02 | abrotman | eleftherios: no .. but odn't do that :) |
| 00:56.03 | netcrash | sorry... |
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| 00:56.19 | abrotman | netcrash: you're compiling your own kernel ? |
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| 00:56.29 | netcrash | yes. |
| 00:56.34 | abrotman | netcrash: #kernel |
| 00:56.39 | netcrash | sorry |
| 00:56.42 | netcrash | thanks |
| 00:56.46 | eleftherios | abrotman, I canceled it |
| 00:56.50 | andreasdk | tie portmap to loopback? |
| 00:57.00 | abrotman | eleftherios: good deal |
| 00:57.01 | eleftherios | abrotman, any other ideas? |
| 00:57.12 | abrotman | eleftherios: is this a brand new install ? |
| 00:57.46 | itchi | andreasdk: I have select only to loopback |
| 00:58.19 | andreasdk | itchi: loopback it is then |
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| 00:59.06 | Stevie | hrm |
| 00:59.09 | Stevie | interesting. |
| 00:59.45 | eleftherios | abrotman, I have the server for 13 months, it was suppossed that it was a vanilla Etch install but something tells me that they have upgraded from Sarge or something else because /etc/kernel-img.conf had only "do_symlinks = yes" in it and grub was installed alongise lilo (which I purged) |
| 00:59.50 | abrotman | Stevie: are you watching Lifetime too ? |
| 01:00.14 | abrotman | eleftherios: i can tell you that 2.4.18bf doesn't exist in sarge or etch |
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| 01:00.41 | Stevie | abrotman: I just did an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and just took it all |
| 01:00.52 | Stevie | and now my X display is corrupt |
| 01:01.14 | eleftherios | abrotman, I see |
| 01:01.20 | p40lo | hello friend i am searching a port of theora for my nokia 770 arm |
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| 01:01.41 | abrotman | Stevie: oh well |
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| 01:01.45 | eleftherios | abrotman, I guess that's it...I have run out of ideas and so has anyone else |
| 01:01.46 | Stevie | why, what's on lifetime? |
| 01:01.47 | abrotman | Stevie: errors are good |
| 01:01.54 | andreasdk1 | Back... Changed the nick. The other tab went bananas |
| 01:02.00 | abrotman | Stevie: i have no idea .. but it has to be better than OLN :) |
| 01:02.04 | Stevie | OLN? |
| 01:02.12 | abrotman | Outdoor Life Network |
| 01:02.17 | Stevie | oh lord |
| 01:02.21 | abrotman | eleftherios: especially if you can't get the real error |
| 01:02.38 | Stevie | abrotman: but only through the video card. If I run x11vnc and connect via my laptop, things are rendered correctly. So I blame the latest incarnation of the nv driver. |
| 01:02.54 | andreasdk | nstall dash as /bin/sh ?? Ehh? |
| 01:03.23 | itchi | andreasdk: ? |
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| 01:03.30 | eleftherios | abrotman, I will try the kvm over IP approach then |
| 01:03.34 | abrotman | Stevie: errors! |
| 01:03.38 | Stevie | and after a reboot, it looks like my display is again healthy. |
| 01:03.38 | eleftherios | whatever that is |
| 01:03.54 | abrotman | eleftherios: that's not fair .. ask them to write down the last five lines .. they screwed up |
| 01:03.56 | andreasdk1 | itchi: I have no idea what dash as /bin/sh means... Can you help? |
| 01:04.11 | itchi | andreasdk: Eeuuhhmmm |
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| 01:04.28 | itchi | andreasdk: In the install proccess? |
| 01:04.35 | andreasdk1 | yup! |
| 01:04.45 | itchi | andreasdk: I not remember about it :-/ |
| 01:04.52 | andreasdk1 | upgrade process that is |
| 01:05.01 | abrotman | itchi: it should give you a recommendation .. read the whole thing |
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| 01:05.06 | itchi | andreasdk: Sarge to Etch ? |
| 01:05.07 | Stevie | are my fonts screwed up, or does xine's setup dialog normally look thhis freaking ugly? |
| 01:05.11 | Drizzt321 | anyone in here using built-in intel GAM 950 graphics? I'm wondering about the desktop performance under linux. |
| 01:05.12 | andreasdk1 | yes |
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| 01:06.04 | eleftherios | abrotman, I will give it a try :-/ |
| 01:06.06 | andreasdk1 | andreasdk1 tries the default no |
| 01:06.16 | eleftherios | abrotman, dondelelcaro thank you very much for your help :-) |
| 01:06.29 | abrotman | eleftherios: AFAICT .. they installed woody and tried to go to etch .. i'm not sure woody straight to etch is supported |
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| 01:07.22 | andreasdk1 | Etch installed.... what now? |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | install xfce4 and xorg |
| 01:07.42 | andreasdk1 | in that order? |
| 01:07.54 | abrotman | apt-get install xfce4 x-window-system-core gdm |
| 01:08.06 | abrotman | erm .. use aptitude |
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| 01:08.47 | eleftherios | abrotman, oh I see |
| 01:09.02 | eleftherios | abrotman, I didn't think of that scenario, I will mention it in the emails |
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| 01:09.06 | abrotman | eleftherios: hold on |
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| 01:09.22 | Stevie | who wants a helpful tip? |
| 01:09.28 | abrotman | eleftherios: they should have used this image http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:09.35 | andreasdk1 | abrotman: Does it matter? It's in process with apt-get as we speak |
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| 01:09.37 | abrotman | eleftherios: that's a straight etch installer |
| 01:09.42 | Stevie | don't try playing a dvd over vnc |
| 01:09.44 | abrotman | andreasdk: eh .. kind of |
| 01:09.52 | abrotman | Stevie: you need .. better vnc? :) |
| 01:09.57 | andreasdk1 | how do i stp it? |
| 01:10.00 | andreasdk1 | stop |
| 01:10.04 | abrotman | ctrl-c |
| 01:10.05 | Stevie | abrotman: Maybe? |
| 01:10.20 | Stevie | is there a better vnc? |
| 01:10.31 | abrotman | Stevie: oh .. i know .. go get pizza from vito's .. vnc will get better! |
| 01:10.39 | Stevie | what is it with you and vitos |
| 01:10.48 | andreasdk1 | Done! Shall i just try again with aptitude or shall the 13% it got be removed first? |
| 01:11.40 | andreasdk1 | Guys? |
| 01:11.42 | abrotman | just use aptitude install gdm xfce4 x-window-system |
| 01:11.49 | andreasdk1 | ok |
| 01:13.20 | andreasdk1 | Done. Sounds like alot with 155MB for that (514 after installation) |
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| 01:14.43 | abrotman | andreasdk: that's nothing! |
| 01:15.15 | andreasdk1 | With a 512kb connection it is (i'm at my stepfather's place) |
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| 01:15.23 | iloveddm | hello every one ,i install javaws in linux,but it cannot display the correct fonts,can you help me |
| 01:16.58 | andreasdk1 | Abrotman: Am I finished after this? Considering going to bed if that's the case |
| 01:17.14 | abrotman | andreasdk: hopefully yes .. maybe no |
| 01:17.18 | abrotman | andreasdk: how long til done? |
| 01:17.22 | andreasdk1 | hehe |
| 01:17.36 | andreasdk1 | I'm at 18% as we speak |
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| 01:18.03 | abrotman | no ETA? |
| 01:18.15 | andreasdk1 | 19min |
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| 01:18.35 | abrotman | well .. up to you .. depending on speed of your computer .. might take a while to unpack install |
| 01:18.40 | abrotman | erm .. unpack & install |
| 01:18.48 | urz | Hello. I'd like to run a daemon to make my mozilla process (or firefox) pop up faster. I dont know how to set this up. The docs arent too helpful |
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| 01:19.08 | andreasdk1 | *Going for a cup of coffee* |
| 01:19.22 | andreasdk1 | 1 min |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | you went from 19 to 1 .. lik ethat? |
| 01:19.58 | andreasdk1 | hehe It'll take me 1min to boil a pot of coffee |
| 01:20.25 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:20.29 | Stevie | holy crap x11vnc has a gajillion options |
| 01:20.55 | abrotman | LIONS! |
| 01:21.00 | Stevie | TIGERS! |
| 01:21.40 | stew | BADGERS |
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| 01:22.04 | andreasdk1 | HAMSTERS! |
| 01:22.58 | Stevie | anybody ehre ever manage to make bluetooth work? |
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| 01:23.26 | andreasdk1 | I did..... In ubuntu 5.10 and some other using the terminal |
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| 01:24.15 | andreasdk1 | SUSE installs it by default and offers it a a possibility as "move to" |
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| 01:26.23 | andreasdk1 | Abrotman: Say... why is my machine downloading gnome-applets-data when i asked for xfce?? |
| 01:26.37 | Stevie | ah, hcitool is my ticket |
| 01:26.38 | andreasdk1 | Is it because of gdm? |
| 01:26.42 | abrotman | because i think you can use them in xfce4 |
| 01:27.05 | andreasdk1 | Ahh... |
| 01:27.40 | andreasdk1 | 9mins remaining |
| 01:27.57 | andreasdk1 | Coffee's done! Yuhuuu! |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | it was a race eh? |
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| 01:30.24 | andreasdk1 | I'm a caffeine-junkie! Don't mess with me! |
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| 01:32.00 | andreasdk1 | 5mins remaining |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | for coffee? |
| 01:32.10 | abrotman | you go pick the beans yourself? |
| 01:32.31 | andreasdk1 | for the download... Sipping coffee right now... Burning my tongue |
| 01:32.42 | Cornellius | I use both Kaffeine and amaroK |
| 01:33.22 | andreasdk1 | abrotman: The check-out lady at the supermarket did that for me yesterday. |
| 01:33.31 | abrotman | andreasdk: pick your beans? |
| 01:33.38 | Stevie | oooh |
| 01:33.40 | Stevie | hidd --search did it |
| 01:33.41 | andreasdk1 | yup! |
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| 01:34.09 | abrotman | i don't want to go to work tomorrow |
| 01:34.28 | andreasdk1 | hehe! What do you so for a living? |
| 01:34.31 | andreasdk1 | do |
| 01:34.37 | abrotman | admin/consultant |
| 01:34.53 | Stevie | so you get paid a lot of money to make other people spend a lot of money? |
| 01:35.07 | andreasdk1 | Boring? |
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| 01:35.17 | abrotman | Stevie: i'm the admin for my office .. consultant for programming for other people .. |
| 01:35.28 | andreasdk1 | Greetings to the newly arrived Dane! |
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| 01:35.54 | Stevie | ah. |
| 01:35.55 | Stevie | ok |
| 01:36.07 | Jemt | Hi again. I'm trying to mount an USB Flash Key using ' mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb ' but it complains about missing filesystem type. I've tryed to add ' -t vfat ' but that dosn't work either. Suggestions ? |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | Stevie: i'd rather do admin all the time .. but it's a small company |
| 01:36.34 | itchi | Jemt: vfat module loaded ? |
| 01:36.34 | Stevie | I would like to inform everyone that I have discovered just how easy it is to make a Bluetooth mouse work under Debian |
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| 01:36.52 | Jemt | itchi: Uhm, don't really know - sec :) |
| 01:37.11 | Jemt | itchi: Yes, it is listed in lsmod |
| 01:37.22 | abrotman | Stevie: can you fix my bluetooth toaster? |
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| 01:37.27 | itchi | Jemt: You see 2 fat and vfat |
| 01:37.29 | linux2 | can anyone help me with debian stable not being able to find my scsi hard drives? |
| 01:37.31 | Stevie | possibly. |
| 01:37.34 | linux2 | any ideas as to why |
| 01:37.39 | linux2 | debian testing works fine |
| 01:37.44 | linux2 | but i am installing on a server |
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| 01:37.48 | linux2 | so i don't want to use testing |
| 01:37.49 | Stevie | dpkg, bluetooth is also apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 01:37.49 | dpkg | okay, Stevie |
| 01:38.33 | andreasdk1 | X-server's nice value?? |
| 01:38.36 | Jemt | itchi: Yep, both fat and vfat |
| 01:39.17 | abrotman | linux2: did you try all the installer versions? |
| 01:39.25 | abrotman | wait .. that was woody .. nm |
| 01:39.34 | linux2 | abrotman, only latest |
| 01:39.36 | abrotman | it was 2002 like .. just last year! |
| 01:39.38 | linux2 | revision 2 |
| 01:39.41 | linux2 | lol |
| 01:39.55 | linux2 | abrotman, why would debian testing work fine |
| 01:40.05 | linux2 | i mean its not like the scsi card is new and that is why |
| 01:40.09 | linux2 | the scsi card is ancient |
| 01:40.19 | abrotman | did you try both kernels for sarge? |
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| 01:40.36 | andreasdk1 | Abrotman: What soulf i set the x-server's nice value to? |
| 01:40.40 | andreasdk1 | should |
| 01:40.45 | abrotman | nice value? |
| 01:40.45 | XYZZZ | Anyone know when FW booting will be avalible, if ever? |
| 01:40.48 | linux2 | abrotman, there are two? |
| 01:40.50 | Supaplex | -10 is default, isn't it? |
| 01:40.53 | linux2 | abrotman, how would i boot the other |
| 01:40.54 | abrotman | andreasdk: hit enter on whatever it is .. |
| 01:41.00 | andreasdk1 | -10 is the minimum |
| 01:41.01 | abrotman | linux2: linux26 |
| 01:41.01 | linux2 | abrotman, i would prefer the 2.6 kernel |
| 01:41.02 | itchi | Jemt: Have you fill an entry in /etc/fstab? |
| 01:41.06 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:41.06 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 01:41.10 | linux2 | abrotman, ok give me a sec |
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| 01:41.15 | mbishop | Supaplex: niceness? no |
| 01:41.33 | Jemt | itchi: Nope. But it works fine with my external USB HDD (using EXT3) |
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| 01:42.09 | itchi | Jemt: Read '/msg dpkg usb storage' |
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| 01:42.26 | Jemt | itchi: Ok :) |
| 01:42.46 | Gnea | !beer me |
| 01:42.56 | itchi | !coffee me |
| 01:42.59 | Gnea | ah, finally |
| 01:43.00 | itchi | :-) |
| 01:43.04 | Stevie | !pony Gnea |
| 01:43.09 | itchi | oela |
| 01:43.11 | Gnea | itchi: so i'm a bot? |
| 01:43.20 | itchi | Gnea: Yeah :-) |
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| 01:43.41 | itchi | Gnea: I'm never sure with you :-/ |
| 01:43.48 | Stevie | A bot with a pony. |
| 01:44.05 | itchi | Gnea: Some time you use you're nick for a bot or so ? |
| 01:44.18 | Gnea | itchi: uhm, no. |
| 01:44.30 | Gnea | itchi: you are horribly misdirected. |
| 01:44.54 | XYZZZ | Firewire... |
| 01:44.54 | itchi | Gnea: Been possible :-/ |
| 01:44.56 | XYZZZ | booting... |
| 01:44.57 | XYZZZ | anyone? |
| 01:45.09 | itchi | euh? |
| 01:45.09 | abrotman | full question .. anyone? |
| 01:45.11 | Stevie | xyzzy: plegh! |
| 01:45.12 | Gnea | XYZZZ: you out of the channel? |
| 01:45.24 | Stevie | err |
| 01:45.28 | Stevie | XYZZZ: plegh! |
| 01:45.54 | XYZZZ | Guess that means no one can help |
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| 01:46.04 | Gnea | no one can help the helpless. |
| 01:46.11 | abrotman | ask ##linux |
| 01:46.15 | Gnea | !tell XYZZZ about ask |
| 01:46.31 | Gnea | please, form a real question. |
| 01:46.45 | Supaplex | this kid must be short a chromozone or three |
| 01:47.01 | Stevie | Or have an extra one. |
| 01:47.25 | Supaplex | one off chromozone attack ;) |
| 01:47.35 | Stevie | okay, enough. |
| 01:47.38 | Stevie | it's a chromosome. |
| 01:48.03 | XYZZZ | Is there a version that has FireWire install support or do I need to config the kernel? |
| 01:48.20 | Gnea | a version of what? |
| 01:48.25 | Supaplex | only since modern spelling came about :) |
| 01:48.30 | XYZZZ | Debian |
| 01:48.30 | andreasdk1 | X server driver?? |
| 01:48.31 | Gnea | !firewire |
| 01:48.31 | dpkg | i heard firewire is Apple's name for the connection also known as Sony i.Link and IEEE1394. A fast 400Mbit/sec (or 800mbit/sec) connection, designed for transferring large data streams. Also suitable for network connections. See http://www.linux1394.org/ |
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| 01:48.47 | abrotman | XYZZZ: just to read form a firewiredevice ? |
| 01:48.58 | abrotman | andreasdk: what is your video card? |
| 01:49.09 | XYZZZ | Yes, I just need to read the drive |
| 01:49.17 | andreasdk1 | Ehh... The buolt in in my IBM r50e |
| 01:49.21 | andreasdk1 | built |
| 01:49.26 | Gnea | XYZZZ: yes, debian supports firewire devices out of the box. you need to set it up. try googling for 'debian firewire' |
| 01:49.27 | abrotman | andreasdk: this is important :) |
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| 01:49.43 | iwkse | hi all, anybody has a satellite notebook? i'm trying to find out how to select usb-boot when i press F12..any hints? |
| 01:49.45 | Supaplex | all I had to do was modprobe for it. |
| 01:49.47 | XYZZZ | OK, I'll try it. Thanks. |
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| 01:50.16 | andreasdk1 | I know... I knew this when i was fiddling with Windows and games etc. but when all you do is process text it becomes less important |
| 01:51.06 | abrotman | andreasdk: switch to another VT and run `lspci | grep -i vga` |
| 01:51.50 | Gnea | !laptop |
| 01:51.51 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 01:52.12 | abrotman | i'm guessing it's intel or ati .. but given it's a thinkpad .. that's a pretty good guess :) |
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| 01:53.05 | XYZZZ | I got another question. I've been using Debian for a few weeks now. Is it OK to run the OS and app files on the same HD? I want to own this machine for four or five more years. |
| 01:53.26 | Supaplex | perfectly. |
| 01:53.35 | andreasdk1 | Abrotman: VGA compatible driver and the something about Intel |
| 01:53.48 | Gnea | XYZZZ: that's like asking "is it okay to keep the power cord plugged into the wall?" |
| 01:53.54 | abrotman | andreasdk: choose i810 |
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| 01:54.21 | XYZZZ | Sorry. I was making sure. |
| 01:54.26 | andreasdk1 | Graphic cards bus-ID |
| 01:54.30 | Gnea | XYZZZ: you might want to do some research on your hard drive make/model to see if it has any known defects |
| 01:55.42 | abrotman | andreasdk: blank |
| 01:55.42 | XYZZZ | I'll do that. Thanks. |
| 01:58.09 | andreasdk1 | abrotman: Unpacking.. If this works should i scale my CPU down? That's been suggested to me but no reason has been given |
| 01:58.22 | abrotman | andreasdk: just heat |
| 01:58.35 | andreasdk1 | That's never been an issue |
| 01:59.44 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:59.49 | sid | Then don't do it |
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| 02:00.59 | andreasdk1 | G'evening Tomze! |
| 02:01.18 | andreasdk1 | G'morning that is. |
| 02:01.20 | Tomze | hey andreasdk1 - so how is it going? |
| 02:01.25 | itchi | abrotman: Use you Pyhton? |
| 02:01.28 | abrotman | what is this .. the Dane club |
| 02:01.41 | abrotman | itchi: let's try again .. "abrotman: do you know python?" |
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| 02:01.49 | abrotman | itchi: a little bit |
| 02:01.51 | andreasdk1 | Well... I'm about to reboot in 2mins... If it fails.... I'm buying a SEGA! |
| 02:02.03 | abrotman | andreasdk: Phantasy Star II!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:02.04 | Tomze | hehe |
| 02:02.06 | itchi | abrotman: hhhmm :-) |
| 02:02.32 | itchi | andreasdk: If you want i have an comodor here :-) |
| 02:03.02 | iwkse | hi all, anybody has a satellite notebook? i'm trying to find out how to select usb-boot when i press F12..any hints? |
| 02:03.03 | Tomze | andreasdk1: you know what... i broke x trying to figure out the right driver for you ;) reboot in the middle of reconfigure is not a god idea |
| 02:03.04 | andreasdk1 | itchi: That might be interesting if this 5. install of Debian fails me again. |
| 02:03.30 | iwkse | hi all, anybody has a satellite notebook? i'm trying to find out how to select usb-boot when i press F12..any hints? |
| 02:03.53 | itchi | iwkse: Look on linux-on-laptop or so ?? |
| 02:03.56 | andreasdk1 | Tomze: Much appreciated but i take pride in not having asked you to help me that much |
| 02:03.58 | nima | how do i reconfigure xserver to use a differant refresh rate? dpkg-recofigure isn't asking me |
| 02:04.09 | iwkse | itchi: where? |
| 02:04.20 | abrotman | nima: try -plow |
| 02:04.33 | nima | tried it, abrotman |
| 02:04.38 | itchi | !tell iwkse -about linux-on-laptop |
| 02:04.55 | abrotman | nima: LCD ? |
| 02:04.55 | Tomze | andreasdk1: feel free to ask.. but right now i need to sleep.. #tuxhygge tomorrow if you want to |
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| 02:05.01 | iwkse | :) |
| 02:05.09 | nima | abrotman, nope |
| 02:05.14 | abrotman | !tell iwkse about laptop |
| 02:05.25 | abrotman | nima: eh .. does it ask you what type of monitor setup you want? |
| 02:05.43 | itchi | iwkse: It's mostly about 'installing linux on an laptop' but there are always additional informations, you know these geeks :-0 |
| 02:05.53 | andreasdk1 | I'll be damned! It actually works! |
| 02:06.08 | andreasdk1 | No need for that SEGA after all! |
| 02:06.11 | iwkse | itchi: i don't think i'll found nothing there:) anyway thanks |
| 02:06.21 | Tomze | andreasdk1: great !.. |
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| 02:06.28 | abrotman | andreasdk: send it to me please .. Genesis please! |
| 02:06.30 | nima | abrotman: no, it doesnt |
| 02:06.38 | abrotman | nima: uh .. it really should |
| 02:06.45 | nima | yeah i know :-P |
| 02:06.45 | andreasdk1 | Now... Will XFCE launch upon boot? |
| 02:07.46 | andreasdk1 | abrotman: Sorry... No can do... I was supposed to go shopping for one if this failed. Haven't got one in the garage |
| 02:07.51 | Tomze | andreasdk1: i guess i can read on linuxin tomorrow aht you did to get it working :) sleep well |
| 02:07.59 | abrotman | andreasdk: but .. but .. .. i want one! |
| 02:08.02 | andreasdk1 | you too |
| 02:08.24 | andreasdk1 | Abrotman: Can you help me with one last thing? |
| 02:08.46 | abrotman | oh fine .. |
| 02:08.50 | dvs | abrotman: charge fees! |
| 02:08.53 | nima | i'm going to try doing it by hand, be right back |
| 02:08.54 | abrotman | but i want a gamegear! |
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| 02:09.10 | abrotman | you know .. the PSP .. but like 10 years ago |
| 02:09.13 | andreasdk1 | Hehe! My heart'll go out to you in my evening prayers |
| 02:09.20 | abrotman | eh .. not cutting it :) |
| 02:09.27 | andreasdk1 | LOL |
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| 02:09.47 | andreasdk1 | How do i set up Firefox with all possible plugins? |
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| 02:10.12 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah i know about it, i have always want an such Geamgear one, and have never get one :-/ |
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| 02:10.30 | abrotman | andreasdk: eh .. i don't use FF .. |
| 02:10.48 | andreasdk1 | Bugger! |
| 02:10.56 | abrotman | however |
| 02:11.00 | XYZZZ | Burger! |
| 02:11.09 | itchi | hehe |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | aptitude install firefox should get you the browser |
| 02:11.24 | tonsofpcs | mozilla-firefox isn't it? |
| 02:11.31 | itchi | I'm so flashing on my fresh Etch install :-) |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: andreasdk is on etch |
| 02:11.35 | andreasdk1 | apt-get firefox works here |
| 02:12.11 | andreasdk1 | Bear with me.... Mark Shuttleworth has taught me to apt-get |
| 02:12.12 | Tomze | andreasdk1: mplayer - mozilla-mplayer - mozilla-flashplayer (in unstable there is java) but look at the page i posted.. linuxkiosken.. there is java |
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| 02:12.45 | rub | how could i run debian under windows ? |
| 02:12.48 | andreasdk1 | Tomze... using that sources.list now |
| 02:12.50 | Tomze | andreasdk1: or just take a look at pakkefrans.pastebin.com |
| 02:12.52 | abrotman | rub: colinux |
| 02:13.01 | andreasdk1 | will do |
| 02:13.06 | rub | what is colinux |
| 02:13.08 | Tomze | rub: qemu or vmware |
| 02:13.09 | itchi | rub: Or try qemu manager for windows ?? |
| 02:13.11 | tonsofpcs | err, running woody |
| 02:13.17 | dvs | abrotman: sounds good to me! ;-) |
| 02:13.18 | andreasdk1 | Abrotman: Thanks for all your help! |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 02:13.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, colinux is http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a ... |
| 02:13.26 | abrotman | andreasdk: you're welcome |
| 02:13.35 | andreasdk1 | Cheers! |
| 02:13.39 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: you try colinux yet? |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: eh .. why? |
| 02:13.46 | rub | brotman , what is colinux, |
| 02:13.50 | rub | abrotman |
| 02:13.54 | tonsofpcs | rub: read the dpkg line |
| 02:13.56 | tonsofpcs | ^^^ |
| 02:13.56 | abrotman | rub: http://colinux.org/ |
| 02:14.03 | abrotman | !tell rub about colinux |
| 02:14.07 | abrotman | !tell rub about cygwin |
| 02:14.42 | itchi | I have never get colinux working :-/ was a bit pain or i had miss somethings |
| 02:14.46 | linux2 | damn i hate that compaq |
| 02:14.51 | linux2 | biggest pain in the ass |
| 02:14.56 | linux2 | so i finally get it to install debian |
| 02:15.03 | linux2 | but the boot device is set wrong |
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| 02:15.07 | abrotman | and then it explodes? |
| 02:15.11 | itchi | linux2: Which model? |
| 02:15.14 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:15.18 | linux2 | proliant 3000 |
| 02:15.18 | dvs | abrotman: I saw that. |
| 02:15.19 | nima | that worked |
| 02:15.22 | dvs | abrotman: and it was a Dell |
| 02:15.25 | nima | thanks, abrotman |
| 02:15.35 | Ronin | dell? spit |
| 02:15.53 | linux2 | dvs, piece of crap if you ask me |
| 02:15.55 | linux2 | no real bios |
| 02:16.01 | abrotman | Ronin: you love htem |
| 02:16.05 | linux2 | instead you need to load the windows 95 boot cd |
| 02:16.15 | Ronin | abrotman: well they're certainly job security for me |
| 02:16.16 | linux2 | and then have it load extended dos |
| 02:16.18 | linux2 | to configure it |
| 02:16.27 | linux2 | BSOD every five minutes |
| 02:16.30 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:16.35 | dvs | linux2: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32550 |
| 02:16.37 | Ronin | course i dont see one being any better to be honest, |
| 02:16.49 | wireddd | just for the record I hate netatalk |
| 02:16.59 | abrotman | Ronin: HP ? |
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| 02:17.35 | Ronin | abrotman: one of the "name brands" i havent actually tried, not totally true but the ones i did work on were older then me and running nt so i dont count them |
| 02:17.52 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:18.28 | linux2 | ROFL |
| 02:19.04 | linux2 | looks like the battery pack exploded |
| 02:19.15 | dvs | linux2: just a little |
| 02:19.20 | linux2 | lol |
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| 02:19.38 | linux2 | my school has a bunch of those |
| 02:19.39 | linux2 | lol |
| 02:19.57 | dvs | linux2: Good! One day, school will end abruptly |
| 02:20.12 | linux2 | dvs, lol. looking forward to it |
| 02:20.25 | Gnea | Dell PCs: good for spare parts ;) |
| 02:21.25 | linux2 | im buying an hp laptop |
| 02:21.27 | linux2 | any good? |
| 02:21.37 | Gnea | they're pretty decent |
| 02:21.38 | dvs | linux2: with linux... yup |
| 02:21.40 | Gnea | which one? |
| 02:22.47 | linux2 | dv5000t |
| 02:22.49 | dvs | Gnea: No, they're pretty good with Linux. |
| 02:22.59 | Gnea | dvs: heh. |
| 02:22.59 | Tomze | i got infected by some strange virus in sarge, can someone help me http://linuxin.dk/eyecandy/1499_3.jpg ;-) |
| 02:23.16 | abrotman | Tomze: that's KDE |
| 02:23.25 | Tomze | lol |
| 02:23.34 | Gnea | dvs: some of them (a few amd64) have issues, or at least had |
| 02:23.55 | abrotman | broadcom crap stuff inside on some of the amd64 one |
| 02:23.56 | abrotman | ones |
| 02:24.02 | aryal | Tomze: qemu? |
| 02:24.07 | dvs | oh, broadcomm sucks |
| 02:24.10 | abrotman | thouhg .. there's now a driver in 2.6.17 \o/ |
| 02:24.11 | Tomze | aryal: yep |
| 02:24.22 | killown | where stay files *.1 manpages? |
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| 02:24.39 | tonsofpcs | so anyone know if I can run colinux and get it to run x apps to xming on the windows host? |
| 02:24.47 | aryal | Tomze: i could never get the network setup. do you know of a howto? |
| 02:25.04 | Gnea | !laptop |
| 02:25.05 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 02:25.13 | abrotman | killown: /usr/share/man/man1/ |
| 02:25.41 | killown | abrotman thanks |
| 02:25.41 | Tomze | aryal: not really - but the man page is preety nice.. what debian version do you run? |
| 02:25.41 | Gnea | linux2: see if you can find it there ^^ |
| 02:25.43 | aryal | Tomze: testing/unstable |
| 02:26.05 | Gnea | linux2: it looks pretty new, you may need to write a howto :) |
| 02:26.22 | Tomze | aryal: then net should be default.. before qemu 0.8.x you had to set it up |
| 02:26.40 | itchi | aryal: You only need '-user-net' or so |
| 02:26.53 | Tomze | itchi: not anymore |
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| 02:27.43 | aryal | Tomze: dont' you need a tap device setup on the host? |
| 02:28.17 | itchi | Tomze: I have the 0.7.2 |
| 02:29.04 | Bazy | Hello, I want to recompile iptables and patch it with IMQ support, then create a .deb package... how can I do that? |
| 02:29.29 | Tomze | itchi: that version should do net without anything.. but i run unstable so maybe i could be wrong |
| 02:29.36 | itchi | I had compiled qemu from source some months ago, i go to remove it. Just deleting the files conserning qemu ? I have never had an need to remove somethings :-) |
| 02:29.45 | linux2 | Gnea, yeah its fairly new |
| 02:29.52 | linux2 | Gnea, i am planning on writting a how to |
| 02:29.59 | linux2 | Gnea, just need to get the damn thing |
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| 02:30.25 | linux2 | Gnea, i keep delaying ordering it. i bought 7 servers instead so im going to order it in the next week |
| 02:30.27 | Tomze | itchi: if you /msg Tomze or muttix in about 8 hours i can message you some oneliners |
| 02:30.33 | itchi | Tomze: No we need to specify it, bwa it's not dramatic to set '-user-net'. But that new version, is the trouble about activating XP done ? |
| 02:30.52 | Tomze | itchi: ups.. i meant aryal |
| 02:31.07 | p40lo | Blasfem xp |
| 02:31.14 | Tomze | itchi: did not try xp.. |
| 02:31.25 | p40lo | The big satan |
| 02:31.30 | p40lo | 666 |
| 02:32.05 | itchi | Tomze: Activating xp gave some big troubles. In the sense that on some computers it's impossible to to use XP, cause of an know bug |
| 02:32.12 | p40lo | the hell william gates 3 |
| 02:32.14 | Gnea | linux2: cool |
| 02:32.17 | aryal | itchi: i had xp working but not net-working.. get it? ;) |
| 02:32.54 | itchi | aryal: Yeah ;-) |
| 02:33.09 | p40lo | no, gnu/linux is a good os and it is god |
| 02:33.11 | aryal | p40lo: but windows was working inside a qemu window |
| 02:33.17 | Tomze | itchi: xp is damn heavy anyway.. and i like w2k better - user permission and networking is much better |
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| 02:33.21 | itguru | is it possible to get postfix to accept mail for multiple domains, and deliver the mail bound for those domains to internal machines on the network? |
| 02:33.40 | itchi | Tomze: Yes but y2k is over now he |
| 02:33.50 | aryal | Tomze: agree. use w2k (alongside my linux workstation) at work. |
| 02:33.59 | itchi | w2k |
| 02:34.11 | itchi | oela, i need sleep :-/ |
| 02:34.27 | Supaplex | !sleep |
| 02:34.28 | dpkg | hmm... sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk* |
| 02:34.28 | Tomze | me too.. sleep well all |
| 02:34.39 | Tomze | ups |
| 02:34.47 | Supaplex | :) |
| 02:35.06 | Bazy | Hi guys, I want to recompile iptables and patch it with IMQ support, then create a .deb package... how can I do that? or maybe get the default iptables-src package, patch it and rebuild it... |
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| 02:35.43 | p40lo | i finish to work now i must send an email to rms then i finished my job and i start to work at 10 pm today |
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| 02:36.44 | Supaplex | 1.0x is oooold skewl. :) |
| 02:36.47 | eps | haha, lol, server load averages dropped hugely too |
| 02:37.14 | EdLin | eps: Debian's 1.07 is not really that version number, they stopped back-porting bug fixes and rather use a later version in stable with a "stable" version number |
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| 02:37.31 | abrotman | EdLin: afctually .. the maintainer has another set to go in |
| 02:37.34 | elik | !tell elik about XF86Config |
| 02:37.47 | itchi | !tell elik -about selftell |
| 02:38.03 | elik | lol |
| 02:38.08 | elik | thx itchi |
| 02:38.27 | itchi | elik: ;-) |
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| 02:38.48 | eps | then again, scores me a nice quiet place to monitor the other servers and network things via ssh/ffox with an lcd screen :P |
| 02:38.48 | wireddd | abrotman, I am running kde forwarded from a leased vps ;) |
| 02:38.56 | Supaplex | elik: just recompile a kernel with no console support. that's always fun. ;) |
| 02:39.04 | abrotman | wireddd: you're a sick fuck :) |
| 02:39.08 | eps | hahaha |
| 02:39.09 | kurumin | lol |
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| 02:39.41 | eps | my job title was finally changed today :P ...along with a dollar more an hour wage |
| 02:40.07 | abrotman | wage? |
| 02:40.33 | eps | oh so do I...cause it's so pathetic, but I still have one |
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| 02:41.03 | eps | our third level support are tards; I've logged two tickets today and they've buggered both of them up :| |
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| 02:41.08 | elik | Supaplex, that sounds like fun |
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| 02:41.18 | elik | !tell Supaplex foo |
| 02:41.33 | Supaplex | !say foo yourself! |
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| 02:41.34 | dpkg | foo yourself! |
| 02:41.38 | abrotman | wtf .. i think this is the third version of "The Sky is Crying" tonight .. |
| 02:41.50 | elik | !beer abrotman |
| 02:42.01 | eps | while another sites third teir support fkn own, they admitted it was a problem on their end within a minute and got the info off us they needed to fix the problem and had it working in 30 mins plus fixed another issue on the side :) |
| 02:42.21 | UdontKnow | !literal beer |
| 02:42.22 | dpkg | "beer" is "liquid gold mate" |
| 02:42.32 | eps | hey thats an australian term! |
| 02:42.35 | itchi | !coffee |
| 02:42.36 | dpkg | hmm... coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 02:42.37 | itchi | :-) |
| 02:42.46 | wireddd | !beerme |
| 02:42.50 | itchi | alcolics people here |
| 02:42.50 | fhffhqvb | !literal CMD beer (.*?) |
| 02:42.53 | wireddd | !beer me |
| 02:42.56 | eps | lol |
| 02:43.23 | wireddd | crummykeyboardwithitsbustedspacebar |
| 02:43.30 | eps | guess I should start studying for a descrete maths exam tomorrow :| |
| 02:44.36 | Supaplex | when I have multiple deb src entries in my sources.list, how do I pull the stable branch? apt-get -t stable source nvidia-kernel-source still yanks unstable. |
| 02:46.12 | elik | dpkg is being a bitch |
| 02:46.28 | elik | Can someone tell him to tell me about x md5sum |
| 02:47.04 | elik | !tell me x md5sum |
| 02:47.25 | elik | !tell elik x md5sum |
| 02:47.26 | itchi | elik: '/msg dpkg md5sum' ?? |
| 02:47.33 | sortadi | is there anybody looking at what's going on on oftc #debian? |
| 02:47.34 | elik | I tried |
| 02:47.54 | Supaplex | works for me. |
| 02:48.06 | elik | what I need is: x md5sum |
| 02:48.19 | elik | and when I do "/msg dpkg x md5sum" |
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| 02:48.28 | elik | it replies: |
| 02:48.35 | elik | x md5sum |
| 02:48.47 | itchi | elik: What want you exactly? |
| 02:48.52 | wireddd | !tell elik xmd5sum |
| 02:49.04 | elik | there is a space wireddd |
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| 02:49.34 | elik | itchi, I want to replace my XF86Config file, but fore some reason, you have to modify a md5sum somewhere |
| 02:49.43 | sid | sortadi: What is going on? |
| 02:49.44 | elik | itchi, I remember dpkg giving me the answer |
| 02:49.52 | wireddd | elik try /msg dpkg xmd5sum |
| 02:49.52 | elik | itchi, cant seem to make him spit it |
| 02:49.53 | sortadi | sid: it stopped |
| 02:50.05 | sortadi | sid: someone just pasted an entire debconf file |
| 02:50.10 | sid | sortadi: Who stopped it? |
| 02:50.17 | elik | ah!, thx wireddd |
| 02:50.49 | sortadi | sid: nobody it stopped |
| 02:50.54 | sortadi | sid: the pasting stopped |
| 02:51.07 | sortadi | sid: there's no stupid bot in there to do that |
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| 02:51.12 | itchi | ^^ need super glue :-) |
| 02:51.17 | sortadi | sid: and the ops are not even paying attention |
| 02:51.41 | EdLin | sortadi: so much for the superiority of oftc.net |
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| 02:52.06 | eps | mmmm |
| 02:52.21 | abrotman | sortadi: they're sleeping |
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| 02:52.59 | elik | grrr, might be more simple to just explain what I'm trying to do... |
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| 02:53.30 | elik | My touchpad is totally bugging me, especailly when I have a mouse plugged in |
| 02:53.56 | sortadi | elik: stop eating those tacos on top of it |
| 02:54.04 | itchi | lol |
| 02:54.16 | elik | unfortuanately, I am simply trying to type a text |
| 02:54.27 | elik | I keep touching it with my thumb, so I want to deactivate it when I have a mouse in |
| 02:54.37 | sortadi | elik: i think there's an ap for the control of touchpads |
| 02:54.48 | sortadi | elik: dunno if it works for gnome but it does on kde |
| 02:55.00 | sortadi | elik: it blocks the touchpad while working with a mouse |
| 02:55.03 | elik | hum, am on gnome |
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| 02:55.08 | itchi | elik: ksynaptics and tpconfig |
| 02:55.19 | eps | I think sven lets you do that |
| 02:55.24 | eps | else... |
| 02:55.28 | sortadi | sven? |
| 02:55.34 | elik | itchi, those a for kde? |
| 02:55.37 | speedracer | hi, I just installed Sarge on a server and I need apt-key, but I cannot find it anywhere |
| 02:55.37 | sortadi | the sweddish mariner? |
| 02:55.41 | eps | haha :p |
| 02:55.43 | itchi | elik: For everything |
| 02:55.49 | eps | google sven multimedia keyboard |
| 02:55.53 | elik | itchi, I'll do an apt get on that |
| 02:55.56 | eps | debian has it in it's repo's these days too |
| 02:56.01 | itchi | elik: Look first |
| 02:56.19 | itchi | elik: apt-cache show tpconfig for example |
| 02:56.39 | eps | note you should file a bug in gnome to get them to add 'Disable touchpad when mouse plugged in' or similar to their mouse app on laptops |
| 02:56.43 | elik | itchi, I never used apt-cache, I use aptitude |
| 02:56.50 | elik | itchi, does it do the same thing? |
| 02:57.05 | sortadi | yes |
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| 02:57.09 | itchi | elik: It's only to show the package informations |
| 02:57.10 | sortadi | aptitude show does the same |
| 02:57.34 | elik | thx sortadi |
| 02:57.42 | elik | itchi, ... and what should I look for? |
| 02:57.42 | eps | useless ubuntu has none of the important packages debian does :| |
| 02:57.53 | eps | sven |
| 02:58.00 | eps | ksynaptics and tpconfig |
| 02:58.01 | sortadi | eps: do not mention that word in here |
| 02:58.01 | itchi | elik: To the description of these 2 packages |
| 02:58.08 | elik | !tell eps about ubuntu |
| 02:58.08 | sortadi | eps: that U word |
| 02:58.18 | elik | :P |
| 02:58.28 | speedracer | does anyone know where I can get apt-key? |
| 02:58.31 | eps | what? ubuntu? |
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| 02:58.45 | dan2 | asg, I know you're here! How are ya? |
| 02:58.47 | sortadi | speedracer: it should be easy to access in the official repositories |
| 02:58.48 | eps | seriously, whats so bad about saying ubuntu? :P |
| 02:58.51 | dan2 | abrotman, you never leave, that's a guarantee |
| 02:58.54 | dan2 | abrotman, ;) |
| 02:59.02 | speedracer | i have the kernel.org repo and its not there :-\ |
| 02:59.05 | elik | !seen abrotman |
| 02:59.06 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (4h 6m 42s). Has said a total of 186 messages. Is idling for 6m 45s, last said: 'sortadi: they're sleeping'. |
| 02:59.11 | abrotman | dan2: i'm off to bed in about two minutes |
| 02:59.15 | eps | !seen eps |
| 02:59.16 | dpkg | eps is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 23 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen eps'. |
| 02:59.18 | sortadi | speedracer: aptitude show apt-key |
| 02:59.19 | elik | he's only been here for 4h, pfff |
| 02:59.19 | dan2 | abrotman, oh please, you don't sleep |
| 02:59.25 | elik | itchi, both seem to do the job |
| 02:59.25 | eps | lol |
| 02:59.29 | abrotman | dan2: not much .. but i do |
| 02:59.39 | abrotman | !tell elik about debstats |
| 02:59.40 | dan2 | abrotman, where's your buddy leimy been? |
| 02:59.40 | speedracer | negative sortadi |
| 02:59.44 | elik | itchi, ksyn is more oriented on KDE but is also stand alone |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | elik: when i'm not here .. i logoff |
| 02:59.53 | sid | eps: /msg dpkg seen blah; |
| 02:59.53 | sid | !tell epictetus about msgdpkg |
| 02:59.54 | dan2 | !seen Leimy |
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| 02:59.55 | dpkg | leimy <~dave@dsl231-059-251.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 327d 10h 7m 9s ago, saying: 'doing that mega-update to it now'. |
| 02:59.56 | sortadi | speedracer: which debian flavour? |
| 02:59.56 | abrotman | dan2: work/bar i assume |
| 02:59.57 | itchi | elik: Yup i know, that's why i have say you to look, like you was going to install the both i guess |
| 03:00.01 | speedracer | Sarge |
| 03:00.02 | sid | !tell eps about msgdpkg |
| 03:00.07 | sid | bleh |
| 03:00.09 | elik | !beer abrotman |
| 03:00.15 | dan2 | abrotman, so did you get that Buffalo Wild Wings place yet? |
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| 03:00.22 | abrotman | dan2: that's your job .. |
| 03:00.24 | dan2 | !lart abrotman |
| 03:00.35 | dan2 | !time abrotman |
| 03:00.39 | elik | itchi, probably what I was going to do |
| 03:00.40 | dan2 | no !time? |
| 03:00.41 | eps | lart? |
| 03:00.43 | eps | lol |
| 03:00.43 | sid | !abuse |
| 03:00.44 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 03:00.48 | dan2 | !beat sid |
| 03:00.49 | abrotman | dan2: you're the one with business ambitions |
| 03:00.50 | eps | haha |
| 03:00.50 | itchi | elik: I was sure :-/ |
| 03:01.03 | elik | itchi, I'll try tpconfig ;) |
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| 03:01.06 | dan2 | abrotman, and you're the one with taste for good food |
| 03:01.06 | eps | grr |
| 03:01.09 | eps | !beat sid |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | dan2: mmm .. sly fox :) |
| 03:01.16 | dan2 | abrotman, and you can figure out how to get those liquor licenses |
| 03:01.21 | abrotman | stop with the damn bot |
| 03:01.25 | dan2 | abrotman, oh yes, sly fox is good |
| 03:01.26 | eps | sid /msg dpkg beat sid is returned to me! not the channel... slash fail! |
| 03:01.54 | sortadi | speedracer: this is the exact name of the package: debian-keyring |
| 03:02.05 | dan2 | abrotman, don' |
| 03:02.14 | dan2 | abrotman, don't forget to turn on your night light |
| 03:02.15 | linux2 | sleep for me |
| 03:02.20 | dan2 | !nightlight abrotman |
| 03:02.21 | linux2 | talk to all you guys later |
| 03:02.21 | abrotman | thanks :) |
| 03:02.28 | linux2 | friggen compaq still won't work |
| 03:02.31 | dan2 | these bots sucks |
| 03:02.32 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:02.33 | speedracer | sortadi, you rawx0r! |
| 03:02.37 | linux2 | i already threw the keyboard |
| 03:02.37 | linux2 | lol |
| 03:02.44 | eps | lol linux2 |
| 03:02.47 | linux2 | the windows live cds are very frustrating |
| 03:02.55 | eps | they are a joke |
| 03:02.57 | eps | we tried them here |
| 03:02.58 | itchi | invasion?? |
| 03:03.05 | linux2 | eps, yeah i know |
| 03:03.08 | linux2 | they go to bsod |
| 03:03.10 | linux2 | or lock up |
| 03:03.10 | speedracer | aww...sortadi, its not there :-\ |
| 03:03.13 | elik | itchi, hum, when I install tpconfig, it asks me if I should manage manually or with debconf... any quick suggestion on that? |
| 03:03.18 | sortadi | speedracer: it should be |
| 03:03.27 | sortadi | speedracer: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=debian-keyring&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 03:03.28 | linux2 | why is there no chip to store bios info without the horrible cds |
| 03:03.28 | speedracer | but its not :( |
| 03:03.28 | eps | so is vista...lol the sleep mode doesn't work so we have a bunch of test computers asleep but...can not be brought out of it without a cold reset |
| 03:03.37 | sortadi | speedracer: then your repo doesn't have it |
| 03:03.43 | sortadi | speedracer: use another repositorie then |
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| 03:03.48 | speedracer | no |
| 03:03.51 | speedracer | i mean i downloaded |
| 03:03.53 | itchi | elik: It depend how you want it, me manual |
| 03:03.55 | speedracer | but apt-key isnt there |
| 03:03.57 | sortadi | speedracer: what? |
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| 03:04.05 | sortadi | speedracer: i don't get you |
| 03:04.13 | speedracer | i need 'apt-key' |
| 03:04.41 | itchi | i need money, so i could give a bit :-/ |
| 03:04.41 | sortadi | speedracer: everything sarge needs is in the official repositories |
| 03:04.45 | sortadi | speedracer: what for? |
| 03:05.04 | speedracer | cause we have an internal repo |
| 03:05.11 | speedracer | like our own mirror |
| 03:05.12 | elik | itchi, honsetly don't know what debconf is and a quick lookup tells me that it's debian conference.... |
| 03:05.12 | sortadi | speedracer: hmmm |
| 03:05.30 | sortadi | speedracer: can't help you there but is it an apt-proxy? |
| 03:05.46 | speedracer | it's an actual repository |
| 03:05.53 | itchi | !tell elik -about debconf |
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| 03:06.06 | speedracer | complete with all the packages and 10MB/s to any comp here |
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| 03:06.07 | speedracer | lol |
| 03:06.14 | sortadi | speedracer: what you are saying is that you need the package keys signed by the debian people? |
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| 03:07.02 | speedracer | sortadi: not sure |
| 03:07.04 | speedracer | lol |
| 03:07.19 | speedracer | i was just told to run this command: `wget http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add -` |
| 03:07.22 | sortadi | speedracer: what's your real problem |
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| 03:07.32 | elik | itchi, not very detailed, I guess I'll try debconf before answering that |
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| 03:08.32 | itchi | elik: No, select debconf |
| 03:08.33 | andreasdk | God damn Debian |
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| 03:09.00 | elik | itchi, I was gonna take manual |
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| 03:09.14 | eps | lol one of our web apps server is called tequila :P |
| 03:09.18 | itchi | elik: It depend .... :-/ keep it easy, debconf |
| 03:09.18 | elik | itchi, never used debconf and man is not very explicit |
| 03:09.33 | eps | lol |
| 03:09.49 | itchi | elik: It's many blablable, dont take it to many in consideratin |
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| 03:10.01 | elik | itchi, ok |
| 03:10.43 | itchi | !tell neolithics -about root |
| 03:10.44 | elik | itchi, god they ask those questions |
| 03:11.03 | elik | itchi, it asks about touchpad rebooting... |
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| 03:11.17 | elik | itchi, I dont see any reset button on this touchpad... |
| 03:11.20 | itchi | !tell neolithics -about root |
| 03:11.28 | itchi | neolithics: My god !!! |
| 03:11.51 | itchi | neolithics: You can not send any messsage here while you're root |
| 03:12.08 | itchi | elik: euh? |
| 03:12.43 | itchi | !root |
| 03:12.43 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 03:13.03 | elik | itchi, it is also my reaction |
| 03:14.01 | elik | itchi, installer always ask the questions you can't answer :P |
| 03:14.08 | itchi | elik: Is it not touchpad restarting ? |
| 03:14.12 | elik | itchi, well, I |
| 03:14.30 | elik | itchi, no, it's realy restting |
| 03:14.39 | elik | itchi, might mean restart though... |
| 03:14.48 | itchi | elik: Yeah |
| 03:14.57 | eps | lol |
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| 03:15.47 | frodo | Hi |
| 03:15.58 | itchi | frodo: :-p |
| 03:15.59 | elik | itchi, I guess I can change that after |
| 03:16.06 | itchi | elik: Yes |
| 03:16.20 | frodo | Question for you please> How can you make imap read the users mbox file that resides in there home directory? |
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| 03:16.23 | sid | What is that tcp thing called...when you increase packet size or something |
| 03:16.26 | itchi | elik: Probably 'dpkg-reconfigure tpconfig' |
| 03:16.29 | stew | sid: mtu |
| 03:16.30 | sid | You can speed up your transfers, but latency is bad |
| 03:16.45 | sid | thanks stew |
| 03:17.04 | stew | sid: if you go beyond 1500, all the hardware involved must support "jumbo frames" |
| 03:17.54 | frodo | . |
| 03:18.09 | eps | lol |
| 03:18.21 | frodo | Is there services |
| 03:18.29 | elik | itchi, time to try it |
| 03:18.35 | elik | itchi, brb |
| 03:18.37 | frodo | Brb |
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| 03:19.46 | frodo2 | I am back' |
| 03:19.54 | itchi | frodo2: :-p |
| 03:19.57 | itchi | :-) |
| 03:20.07 | itchi | frodo2: Everythings right? |
| 03:20.16 | frodo2 | Yea. How are you doing?\ |
| 03:20.32 | itchi | frodo2: Good good :-) and you |
| 03:20.37 | frodo2 | I am ok |
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| 03:20.50 | itchi | frodo2: :-) |
| 03:20.55 | p40lo | if only i think that i am using my pda nokia 770 with gnu/linux i must solve only few problems and that it is combined with my cell phone vods |
| 03:21.04 | frodo2 | Do you know if there is a way to get imap to read the mbox file that resides in the users home directory please? |
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| 03:22.07 | p40lo | Vodafone and that i got 50 mb free and gratis for monthti |
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| 03:22.20 | p40lo | month |
| 03:22.27 | itchi | p40lo: Dutch ? |
| 03:22.43 | Bitz | hi, which is better kdm, gdm or xdm? |
| 03:22.54 | sid | stew: How much data tranfer increase would there be, from a default debian install say, to someone going nuts and putting it at 1500? |
| 03:23.00 | itchi | Bitz: It's depend what you need |
| 03:23.09 | itchi | Bitz: Limited resources ? |
| 03:23.13 | p40lo | and that i m not paying ohing |
| 03:23.14 | eps | frodo2, there is cause I use it at home...though I did it so long ago I've forgottern how to set it up...I'm using courier imap setup to use my mbox, google abit and you will find a guide |
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| 03:23.26 | eps | I like gdm :) |
| 03:23.30 | p40lo | nothing |
| 03:23.30 | frodo2 | ty |
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| 03:23.35 | itchi | gdm have nice themes :-) |
| 03:23.38 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, this is elik |
| 03:23.46 | sid | stew: Say a stock debian american colo box can do 10 megs a second, and it sends to Europe slowly. It only sends to Europe at 1 meg a second say. What would pumping up the mtu do for a box like this? |
| 03:24.01 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: And working ? |
| 03:24.09 | stew | sid: it should pretty much always be at 1500 unless you use pppoe, in which case drop it to 1492, and if you are on dialup maybe less, but for normal lan / broadband use it should pretty much always be 1500 |
| 03:24.16 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, probably forgot to pass it some arguments, but the touchpad was still active |
| 03:24.25 | stew | sid: no, packets traversing the internet should be 1500 |
| 03:24.30 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Ah yea |
| 03:24.31 | stew | sid: whenever possible |
| 03:24.36 | sep | sid, absolutly nothing at all. probably hurt performance since next router would have to fragment |
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| 03:24.53 | p40lo | than i chat with you and anyone it,is of any |
| 03:24.53 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, I did specify the --touchpad=0 or something like that |
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| 03:25.02 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Probably you need to say which device /dev/mice or sor |
| 03:25.07 | stew | sid: if you try to do jumbo frames (> 1500) over the internet, pretty much the first real router they hit is going to fragment them to 1500 |
| 03:25.19 | sid | stew / sep you don't think it would help at all? |
| 03:25.20 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, probably... anyway, will look it up |
| 03:25.26 | sid | There is a group of people I'm talking to that claim it works great. |
| 03:25.29 | stew | sid: what exactly? |
| 03:25.30 | sep | sid, it would hurt performance |
| 03:25.42 | p40lo | different nation |
| 03:25.48 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, that's just kinda weird as my X11 dont many mouse input entry |
| 03:25.49 | stew | sid: what is your mtu now? |
| 03:26.16 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, only one and I think it's something like /dev/mice... |
| 03:26.23 | sid | stew: Whatever the stock debian one is. |
| 03:26.26 | stew | sid: 1500 |
| 03:26.35 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: I think to |
| 03:26.42 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, is that some kind of weird device that adds up all the mouse and produce a single output? |
| 03:26.43 | stew | sid: /sbin/ifconfig | grep MTU |
| 03:26.59 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: I not understand |
| 03:27.05 | p40lo | i am chhating from yesterday i started at 12am and i |
| 03:27.05 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, cause I know there are also plenty of /dev/mouse |
| 03:27.25 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, isn't mice the plurial of mouse? |
| 03:27.26 | sep | Nicolas[VamUdeS], you mean /dev/input/mice |
| 03:27.26 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: It the mice one, not? |
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| 03:27.32 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | yeah sep |
| 03:27.50 | p40lo | got 22,26,euro in,the sim card |
| 03:28.02 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Yes, sorry my fault :-/ |
| 03:28.20 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !slap itchi |
| 03:28.27 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.34 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: i'm not on the laptop |
| 03:28.51 | sid | stew 1500 |
| 03:28.57 | p40lo | i pay to charge the sim 25 euro 5 are of taxes |
| 03:28.58 | itchi | But it's looks here that the dev exist :-) |
| 03:29.11 | stew | sid: how are you connected to the internet? cablemodem? dsl? dialup? |
| 03:29.20 | sid | stew: cablemodem |
| 03:29.21 | p40lo | 2,26 just i had |
| 03:29.28 | stew | sid: then don't change anything |
| 03:29.41 | sid | stew: I'm not touching my mtu, This is on a colo box. |
| 03:30.07 | sid | The colo box is 1500 mtu, 100mbit pipe, people in Europe claim they are getting better speeds, when the mtu is increased |
| 03:30.09 | stew | sid: then don't change it |
| 03:30.30 | stew | sid: you can't increase it above 1500 without special hardware |
| 03:30.50 | p40lo | and from yesterday have not pay nothing to be in chat and in the net |
| 03:31.18 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, curently I use /dev/input/mice |
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| 03:31.24 | sid | stew: Would your typical colo company have this special hardware? |
| 03:31.34 | itchi | colo?? |
| 03:31.40 | sid | !colo |
| 03:31.48 | itchi | :-/ |
| 03:31.58 | wireddd | p40lo, what are you talking about |
| 03:32.08 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, would I have to modify it so I use /dev/mouse* |
| 03:32.12 | tictac | colo = colocation site. |
| 03:32.15 | sid | !colo |
| 03:32.16 | dpkg | colo is probably colocation centre ("colo") or carrier hotel is a type of data center where multiple telecommunications network or service providers, such as telcos or internet service providers, locate their connections to one another's networks (points of presence) and where users of these services can interconnect to the service provider(s) with a minimum of cost and complexity. |
| 03:32.22 | itchi | hhmm |
| 03:33.49 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, if you dont know, you can tell me to leave you alone :P |
| 03:33.57 | sid | Are most mtus at 1500 by default? |
| 03:34.03 | wireddd | yes |
| 03:34.12 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Sorry i did not see that hidden ?? |
| 03:34.12 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, just pointing out this package earned you a beer ;) |
| 03:34.35 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !beer itchi |
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| 03:34.58 | stew | sid: ask your isp |
| 03:35.03 | itchi | With beer, it's sure i not go to help you, give my coffee ;-) |
| 03:35.14 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !coffee itchi |
| 03:35.45 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: But i not understand you hidden question :-/ |
| 03:35.48 | stew | sid: in general having a larger mtu would, however be somewhat pointless unless you knew that the packets weren't going to be fragmented somewhere along the way to their destination |
| 03:36.01 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, well, basically it doesnt work |
| 03:36.11 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, :P |
| 03:36.25 | itchi | !doesn't work |
| 03:36.26 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:36.38 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: :-p |
| 03:36.40 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchy, Just trying to point out a couple of things that could make it work |
| 03:36.42 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | :P |
| 03:36.52 | sid | stew: Are there other things people can do to increase data tranfers? |
| 03:37.05 | sid | stew: Besides mtu; someone mentioned tcp stack |
| 03:37.38 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Yup, i'm not on my laptop. I need to tell that i not remember exactly how i did to set it up. I did it one time some many time ago :-/ |
| 03:38.06 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, that's what it seemed, but now I'll know what to look for |
| 03:38.24 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Have you read the man page about that app? |
| 03:38.33 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, I'll dig it |
| 03:38.43 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, yeah, but it doesnt even make 2 pages.... |
| 03:38.52 | eps | a user just asked if they can send to hotmail...a stupid request but probably a good one for them...BUT THEN asked if they needed to putt www infront of it :| |
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| 03:39.01 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Or i could see, remove it and try with ksynaptics. |
| 03:39.23 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Yeah, because it's easy to setup :-/ |
| 03:39.50 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Or i guess you not point to the right device |
| 03:39.55 | frodo2 | This weird I have several web mail users on this box and I used mb2md -c -, /home/frodo/mbox -d /home/frodo/Maildir and it putting in the /root/Maildir. I did what the docs told me. |
| 03:40.09 | stew | sid: not that i know of |
| 03:40.32 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, yeah, I'll have to find out which device is on which actual hardware |
| 03:41.06 | sid | stew: Does "tcp stack" have any relevance to data transfer speeds in this context? |
| 03:41.11 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, I see I have /dev/input/mouse0, mouse1, mice, a couple of event, and I know psaux can be specified too |
| 03:41.33 | stew | sid: do you know what the tcp stack is? |
| 03:41.36 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Normally it's 'mice' but i'm not sure |
| 03:42.01 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, I'll search tomorrow |
| 03:42.07 | sid | stew: The Internet protocol suite is the set of communications protocols that implement the protocol stack on which the Internet and most commercial networks run. |
| 03:42.07 | sid | from wikipedia |
| 03:42.09 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, getting late for me ;) |
| 03:42.10 | stew | sid: what you are asking is kinda like, "does 'network connection' have anything to do with this" |
| 03:42.14 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Like you want ;-) |
| 03:42.57 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, thx again, now I know what to look for and will stop bugging with this XFree config script that replaced the config file at startup (solution I found on a website) |
| 03:43.16 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !cheer itchi |
| 03:43.16 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: ;-) |
| 03:43.22 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | !coffee itchi |
| 03:43.39 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, good night |
| 03:43.39 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Yeah an not beer, i never drink beer :-) |
| 03:43.50 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, I'll remember |
| 03:43.54 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Good morning here ;-) |
| 03:44.05 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, where are you? |
| 03:44.12 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: I have an buggy 'sleep' app :-/ |
| 03:44.19 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Belgium |
| 03:44.21 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | ithci, am from Canada, east coast |
| 03:44.31 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, bon matin alors ;) |
| 03:44.46 | itchi | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: Bonne nuit ;-) |
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| 03:48.17 | Stevie | Meh. My TV, which has both a VESA and a DVI input connector, cannot take a stupid 1/8" connector for sound |
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| 03:48.53 | stranger_stone | hello :p |
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| 03:49.38 | itchi | stranger_stone: :-p |
| 03:49.52 | stranger_stone | itchi :p |
| 03:49.55 | itchi | :-) |
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| 03:50.57 | itchi | arg, my cup is out |
| 03:50.58 | Arafangion | Hello |
| 03:51.05 | itchi | Arafangion: :-p |
| 03:51.14 | Arafangion | Any guesses as to why every line in irssi is loosing the first sentence letter? |
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| 03:51.18 | Arafangion | 13:50 <itchi>rafangion: :-p |
| 03:51.19 | Arafangion | 13:50 <Arafangion>ny guesses as to why every line in irssi is loosing the first sentence letter? |
| 03:51.22 | Arafangion | See? |
| 03:51.58 | itchi | Yup |
| 03:52.06 | itchi | Arafangion: Sarge? |
| 03:52.12 | Arafangion | Etch. |
| 03:52.22 | itchi | Arafangion: Moment i test |
| 03:52.44 | stew | Arafangion: did you recently load a theme? |
| 03:52.46 | Arafangion | Hasn't been rebooted since the update, though - but as far as I can tell, everything except udev updated cleanly (udev needed a newer kernel) |
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| 03:53.13 | Arafangion | stew: It's running inside of Screen, and it was fine in KDE, It started happening once I detatched and reattached in Gnome. |
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| 03:53.38 | stew | Arafangion: odd. |
| 03:53.40 | scratchi | Hello itchi |
| 03:54.04 | Arafangion | Hmm, found the problem. |
| 03:54.27 | Arafangion | Ahh, much better :) |
| 03:54.32 | Arafangion | Must be a termcap problem. |
| 03:55.29 | Arafangion | stew: It's fine in urxvt, but not in xterm. |
| 03:56.12 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:59.37 | bronski | how is Bush doing in Europe? |
| 03:59.47 | itchi | bronski: bad bad bad |
| 03:59.50 | Gnea | who gives a fuck? |
| 04:00.14 | bronski | Europeans don't like him too? |
| 04:00.23 | itchi | bronski: _no_ |
| 04:00.25 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | who likes him? |
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| 04:00.32 | Gnea | bronski: please take this discussion to #politics, you are offtopic. |
| 04:00.33 | bronski | Gnea, the Iranians would |
| 04:01.26 | bronski | Gnea, you are right. i am having a hangover fr watching too much soccer. |
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| 04:01.37 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | #politics does exits 0_0 |
| 04:01.50 | stoned | hangover from soccer |
| 04:01.54 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | lol |
| 04:02.01 | stoned | Gnea |
| 04:02.03 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | He must like it for real |
| 04:02.05 | Supaplex | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: were you expecting #bitbucket2,000 ? |
| 04:02.18 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | something like that |
| 04:02.26 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | or maybe #dumbbucket |
| 04:02.46 | stoned | oh whoops |
| 04:02.49 | stoned | I mean bronze |
| 04:02.49 | Supaplex | I lost count how many idle there |
| 04:02.58 | stoned | er.. bronski |
| 04:03.03 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | it thought it was something like that Supaplex: |
| 04:03.04 | stoned | oh he left already |
| 04:03.07 | stoned | damn I'm stoned |
| 04:03.16 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | #politics > /dev/null |
| 04:03.29 | itchi | stoned: It's look, you choose the right nick ;-) |
| 04:03.37 | stoned | its look? |
| 04:03.50 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | his belgian, give him a chance :P |
| 04:03.51 | itchi | look like |
| 04:04.05 | stoned | it looks like* |
| 04:04.11 | stoned | minus comma |
| 04:04.16 | itchi | :-/ |
| 04:04.21 | stoned | 'it looks like you chose the right nick; |
| 04:04.29 | stoned | ' |
| 04:04.32 | Supaplex | with three square roots of negative pi |
| 04:04.50 | Gnea | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: you're pretty close to being offtopic, too |
| 04:04.50 | stoned | that is a cube root |
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| 04:05.22 | AI_coder | Does html::mason work on apache2 in debian stable? |
| 04:05.22 | itchi | crap of babytrans ?? |
| 04:05.30 | itchi | arg |
| 04:05.39 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | what channel should I bring it to Gnea? |
| 04:05.43 | Gnea | AI_coder: probably |
| 04:05.45 | stoned | anyway, here is a problem I have. if I run apache2 with my ipv6 tunneled address, how can I resolve it to a hostname/domianname |
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| 04:05.57 | Gnea | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: anywhere that it's appropriate. |
| 04:06.15 | Gnea | stoned: setup dns |
| 04:06.18 | stoned | I have a static dns from dyndns, is there any way to so something of the sort with ipv6, are there any services that do that, because I can't find one. I have my ipv6 from freenet6 |
| 04:06.31 | AI_coder | I'm getting odd errors, that's why I asked. |
| 04:06.33 | Gnea | stoned: do you have a domain name? |
| 04:06.39 | stoned | Gnea, ok, I can do that |
| 04:06.40 | stoned | no |
| 04:06.41 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:06.48 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | Gnea and what should I bring to this place? dont even know what was off topic... |
| 04:06.53 | Gnea | AI_coder: check out #apache, tell them what the errors are |
| 04:07.13 | Gnea | Nicolas[VamUdeS]: if it has nothing to do with debian, it's probably offtopic |
| 04:07.15 | stoned | Nicolas[VamUdeS], anything that isn't #debian or debian related is offtopic |
| 04:07.18 | stoned | jinx, sorta |
| 04:07.29 | Gnea | heh |
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| 04:08.20 | Gnea | stoned: your best bet is to register a domain name with a registrar that allows free dns hosting on their end and supports AAAA records |
| 04:08.42 | AI_coder | Gnea: Well it worked fine on gentoo. |
| 04:08.44 | stoned | bah, I live off ramen noodles |
| 04:09.03 | stoned | I think I should be alright with dydns and ipv4 for the time being |
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| 04:09.28 | stoned | I was just wondering if there are any dyndns like services for ipv6 |
| 04:10.47 | stoned | btw |
| 04:10.57 | stoned | Gnea, do you ever lag on the freenode ipv6 server? |
| 04:11.22 | stoned | I get high amounts of lagging on that server |
| 04:11.34 | stoned | so this is why now I am connected with regular freenode |
| 04:11.47 | stoned | time right now is 11:11 |
| 04:11.50 | stoned | :D |
| 04:12.18 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | I've been told I was offtopic for far less than that |
| 04:12.26 | stoned | Nicolas[VamUdeS], let it go man |
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| 04:12.47 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | :P |
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| 04:14.11 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | itchi, trying ksyn not |
| 04:14.15 | Nicolas[VamUdeS] | now* |
| 04:15.38 | Johnny_5 | how do i mount a usb thumb drive? |
| 04:16.03 | frodo2 | Good night |
| 04:16.14 | nima | Johnny_5, mount /dev/sda1 /media/whatever |
| 04:16.28 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 04:16.40 | nima | assuming that you have no other scsi/sata drives |
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| 04:18.03 | predder | Johnny_5, if that doesnt work: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 04:18.10 | stoned- | yup |
| 04:18.16 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 04:18.27 | stoned- | high amounts of lag while on ipv6 for some reason |
| 04:18.30 | dendrite | Could someone with access to an Etch box run 'apt-cache search upslug2' and tell me if upslug2 is in Etch? I'm updating a wiki page, and would like to include etch if it's in there... TIA |
| 04:18.30 | stoned- | !ping |
| 04:18.30 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:18.43 | stoned- | dendrite, I'm lagging |
| 04:18.44 | stoned- | doh |
| 04:18.48 | stoned- | dendrite, packages.debian.org |
| 04:18.53 | Gnea | stoned: yeah, i was lagging hardcore earlier |
| 04:19.09 | stoned- | yeah well back to ipv4 then |
| 04:19.16 | Gnea | stoned: it would connect and boom, instant lag, dropping me back out |
| 04:19.21 | stoned | yup |
| 04:19.45 | Gnea | ok cool, so i wasn't the only one |
| 04:19.56 | stoned | 64 bytes from 2001:5c0:8ef3::1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=63 time=178 ms |
| 04:19.59 | stoned | its the irc server |
| 04:20.03 | stoned | something is up with it |
| 04:20.14 | wireddd | !ping |
| 04:20.14 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:20.53 | stoned | Gnea, are you a kde user or gnome? |
| 04:21.01 | stoned | or neither? |
| 04:21.01 | Johnny_5 | neither is working for me |
| 04:21.19 | Johnny_5 | i already have an external hdd mounted |
| 04:21.30 | wireddd | it seems like everyone except for me is lagging |
| 04:21.49 | stoned | wireddd, you're on ipv4, as I am, its ok |
| 04:21.54 | dendrite | Odd, package search finds kernel support, but not the flash tool. I guess that's a 'no.' |
| 04:22.16 | Johnny_5 | i still can't get the usb thumbdrive to mount |
| 04:22.28 | Johnny_5 | i tried both |
| 04:22.30 | wireddd | ipv4ever |
| 04:23.28 | Gnea | stoned: neither, E17 |
| 04:23.32 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 04:23.32 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 04:23.35 | stoned | I see |
| 04:23.40 | Gnea | stoned: http://packetstormsecurity.org/distributed/4to6.tar.gz <-- could be that |
| 04:24.04 | stoned | Gnea, I just enabled some shizbiz on my xorg and some translucency kickin' |
| 04:24.14 | Gnea | 4to6ddos is a simple distributed denial of service that attacks ipv6 hosts |
| 04:24.15 | Gnea | WITHOUT INSTALLING IPV6 SUPPORT. |
| 04:24.18 | stoned | now I'm trying to for xgl |
| 04:24.19 | Gnea | stoned: cool |
| 04:24.25 | Gnea | !xgl |
| 04:24.25 | stoned | see how that works |
| 04:24.25 | dpkg | [xgl] the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 04:24.27 | Gnea | good luck |
| 04:24.29 | stoned | thanks |
| 04:24.34 | Gnea | i haven't even tried it yet |
| 04:25.37 | wireddd | gnea its pretty cool, but it doesn't play well with my multivideo card system :( |
| 04:26.28 | Gnea | wireddd: suck |
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| 04:27.06 | Gnea | heh, so now we have proof that koreans don't know how to run servers worth a shit... |
| 04:27.09 | Gnea | Oky kiddies... telnet to yours .kr owned shells and run there the server.. |
| 04:27.18 | stoned | I've got a fx5200 low end cheap dual head nvidia |
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| 04:27.58 | wireddd | gnea what are you talking about |
| 04:28.04 | stoned | I also have dual sli gaming system, on which I will try out xgl |
| 04:28.15 | Gnea | wireddd: this 4to6 ddos tool |
| 04:28.21 | gl1tchy0ne | Question: need help with installation of debian testing. Installer stops (not frozen) at 75% or base system also called "Storing Language" |
| 04:28.30 | Gnea | wireddd: i think someone used it against freenode ipv6 servers earlier |
| 04:28.30 | stoned | Gnea, what are you on about |
| 04:28.35 | stoned | oh |
| 04:28.43 | Gnea | it's basically a ping6 flood |
| 04:28.44 | stoned | thats sad, how do koreans come into this |
| 04:29.02 | Gnea | you... don't konw? |
| 04:29.02 | gl1tchy0ne | PC is using Sata drives... nforce3 250gb controller... |
| 04:29.07 | stoned | no |
| 04:29.14 | stoned | and I doubt it has anything to do with koreans |
| 04:29.22 | stoned | its probably a lame script kiddy or a lame admin |
| 04:29.22 | Gnea | dude, koreans, japanese and chinese run the most insecure servers on the planet right now |
| 04:29.31 | tictac | gl1tchy0ne: 250gb controller? |
| 04:29.34 | Gnea | that's not a racist comment, either, it's the truth |
| 04:29.40 | wireddd | Gnea, yeah thats definatly true |
| 04:29.47 | stoned | not all rascism is false mate |
| 04:30.01 | Gnea | wireddd: i am constantly bombarded with scans and floods from their servers |
| 04:30.02 | gl1tchy0ne | tictac... that is the name of the controller for the sata drives.. uses the sata_nv module |
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| 04:30.21 | stoned | Gnea, lets take some boxes for ourselvs then |
| 04:30.23 | Gnea | stoned: word |
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| 04:30.26 | stoned | haha |
| 04:30.29 | Gnea | lol |
| 04:30.34 | stoned | he said word |
| 04:30.39 | stoned | I say word |
| 04:30.40 | stoned | lol |
| 04:30.47 | Gnea | werd |
| 04:30.47 | Gnea | :P |
| 04:30.56 | stoned | see I can't dig that |
| 04:31.14 | stoned | I dont see how people can talk in mixed caps or mess up spellings |
| 04:31.17 | Gnea | well, it has an implied meaning |
| 04:31.30 | stoned | not you |
| 04:31.33 | gl1tchy0ne | This has happened three times in a row... I have used same disc to install on other machines without issue... so no bad media |
| 04:31.36 | stoned | but people, especially on aol |
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| 04:31.42 | stoned | yes yes I was on aol since 1993 |
| 04:31.43 | Gnea | i know, i just don't make a habit of it |
| 04:31.51 | Gnea | because they think they're all cool 'n shit |
| 04:31.59 | Gnea | i was on aol in 1994 for a whole month |
| 04:32.05 | Gnea | then they kicked me off for downloading too much |
| 04:32.14 | Gnea | didn't even tell me, just *snip* |
| 04:32.17 | stoned | heh, after 95 we just stopped paying for it |
| 04:32.23 | Gnea | hehe |
| 04:32.24 | stoned | my folks started using other local isps |
| 04:32.35 | stoned | I started using credit card generators and making fake accounts |
| 04:32.45 | gl1tchy0ne | anyone have a suggestion? |
| 04:32.47 | stoned | got into vb programing, made some aol vb hack progz |
| 04:32.48 | stoned | lol |
| 04:32.56 | stoned | then I discovered linux and my life as I know it changed |
| 04:32.56 | Gnea | i was in the bay area at the time, so finding another isp wasn't too difficult, especially shell-only dialups on sun systems |
| 04:33.04 | stoned | I've never been the same man again |
| 04:33.08 | wireddd | stoned: yeah I went down basically the same path |
| 04:33.25 | Gnea | stoned: i've probably seen those same programs used time and time again ;) |
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| 04:34.23 | stoned | I was always into the cryptic shit, always fascinated with self replicating code, not for malicious use though, but some of those virus creation kits taught me a lot |
| 04:34.37 | gl1tchy0ne | anyone else using the nforce3 chipset? |
| 04:34.48 | stoned | reading MIT documents and stuff from the late 60's when they had some of the theoretical work done |
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| 04:35.03 | wireddd | gl1tchy0ne, I am sure someone is... |
| 04:35.08 | stoned | !anyone |
| 04:35.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:35.23 | Gnea | gl1tchy0ne: nforce2, what's the problem? |
| 04:35.29 | gl1tchy0ne | I have asked my real question already |
| 04:35.57 | Gnea | gl1tchy0ne: did you use the 2.4 or 2.6 kernel to install with? |
| 04:36.01 | gl1tchy0ne | Gnea: Yeah I am sure someone is too.. just trying to figure out if my issue is related to that as this is a new system |
| 04:36.12 | gl1tchy0ne | testing or etch using 2.6.15.1 |
| 04:36.26 | epsilon | gl1tchy0ne: tried to install sarge, then dist-upgrade? |
| 04:36.31 | Gnea | gl1tchy0ne: can you paste the error someplace? |
| 04:37.00 | gl1tchy0ne | epsilon: started with etch weekly build... no dist upgrade here |
| 04:37.08 | gl1tchy0ne | Gnea: there is no error message |
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| 04:37.26 | wireddd | gl1tchy0ne, have you tried the beta 2 installer? |
| 04:37.28 | Gnea | gl1tchy0ne: ah ok, yeah i'd try the sarge installer with the linux26 option |
| 04:37.42 | gl1tchy0ne | Gnea: Just stops... not froze at 75% saying "storing language" |
| 04:37.54 | stoned | I had this crazy idea, of creating a worm/trojan/virus all in one, where a this program would find other machines to infect, try scans on it, then all known security holes on it, and find a way in, of course the software is high AI based, and then it uses the infected machine to infect more machines, in turn taking over the entire internet, and not doing anything, no harm nothing, just chilling there, waiting for someone to come around and |
| 04:37.54 | stoned | issue commands. I basically wanna take over the world, but then, I wake up |
| 04:37.56 | gl1tchy0ne | wireddd: Not sure what that is |
| 04:38.01 | Gnea | gl1tchy0ne: hrm... could be an acpi conflict? |
| 04:38.25 | gl1tchy0ne | Gnea: would not think it would get this far... but I figured I would try no acpi as I don't need it anyway |
| 04:38.46 | dabreegster | stoned: It'd make a great book. Really. |
| 04:38.51 | Gnea | gl1tchy0ne: same results? |
| 04:39.05 | gl1tchy0ne | Gnea: just starting it now... will find out |
| 04:39.15 | wireddd | gl1tchy0ne, have a look at this page. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:39.16 | Gnea | ok |
| 04:40.47 | gl1tchy0ne | wireddd: "Or install the current weekly snapshot of Debian testing which uses the same version of the installer as the last release: "... Does this mean that it uses the same installer? |
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| 04:42.00 | stoned | dabreegster, I also have this story in my head. Humans have lived out the death of the sun, and many other stars, some 65 billion y ears from now, and more than half the hydrogen in the universe is used up, and entire galctic superclusters are dying, the universe is suffering the heat death, and humans have evolved into a highly ESP based communication people thingies and some scientists have come up with a way to capture the energy of the |
| 04:42.00 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:42.04 | deadcat | during the debian software installation. whats the "standard system"? is that the base system or some stuff that i dont really need.. yet...? |
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| 04:42.29 | gl1tchy0ne | Gnea: I really hope that it is something as easy as acpi... but I feel I am not that lucky... |
| 04:42.59 | tenzing_ | my debian 3.1 has kernel 2.4 ... how can i updrage it to 2.6.X |
| 04:43.14 | stoned | tenzing_, apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 04:43.15 | stoned | I think |
| 04:43.20 | stoned | or kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 04:43.32 | dabreegster | stoned: I have similar ideas, but don't do drugs. You should write. |
| 04:44.20 | wireddd | stoned, make it a video game! |
| 04:44.25 | stoned | dabreegster, I've no patience. I do however express myself through my music. I write stories about cosmic things, backed up by highly theory intestive and technical extreme metal work |
| 04:45.05 | tenzing_ | stoned: thanks.. |
| 04:45.10 | stoned | huh? |
| 04:45.11 | dabreegster | stoned: You're in a band? Or just playing for fun, not really songs? |
| 04:45.24 | stoned | dabreegster, bands are too limiting for me |
| 04:45.49 | dabreegster | stoned: Do you create and record actual songs or just play around? |
| 04:45.51 | stoned | dabreegster, not to sound self whatever, but not very many people can keep up with me |
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| 04:46.20 | stoned | dabreegster, I record as well, but not much, still working on it |
| 04:46.20 | dabreegster | stoned: There are one-man bands |
| 04:46.46 | stoned | dabreegster, right now I export waves from hydrogen and import them into audacity, layer a few guitar and bass tracks and voila |
| 04:46.50 | dabreegster | stoned: If you ever produce some songs for the public, I'd love to hear them |
| 04:46.52 | stoned | no mic yet, that costs money |
| 04:46.58 | stoned | I actually have some |
| 04:47.08 | stoned | let me forward some ports and you can get them from my site |
| 04:47.11 | dabreegster | No lyrics? |
| 04:47.16 | stoned | none yet |
| 04:47.22 | stoned | recorded however, but written many |
| 04:47.23 | dabreegster | Ok, thanks |
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| 04:48.00 | delcides | hi - does anyone uses ROX here ? |
| 04:49.08 | gl1tchy0ne | Gnea: well back at 75% again... been there for about 2 minutes already.... I would assume it will do the same thing again |
| 04:49.25 | gl1tchy0ne | been banging my head for hours over this one |
| 04:50.12 | stoned | dabreegster, I have a progressive metal song, professional studio recording, bass/drums/guitars by me, no vocals. I also have a very improvised 4 minute classical and raaga based piece with 3 movements, 9 variations and one central theme, mostly shred metal work. Then I have some Raaga pieces. What do you want to listen to, or should I just msg you the links? |
| 04:50.14 | Gnea | gl1tchy0ne: what motherboard is it? |
| 04:51.12 | gl1tchy0ne | Gnea: Gigabyte GA-K8NSC- 939 nforce3 chipset |
| 04:51.20 | dabreegster | stoned: I'm not sure; I don't care. Only metal I really, really enjoy is symphonic. Stuff like Nightwish and Epica. Whichever you think is your best I guess. |
| 04:51.33 | phalacee | does anyone here have experience managing Asterisk? |
| 04:51.40 | stoned | this is not harmonic music, you might not like it |
| 04:52.00 | stoned | its dissonantly harmonized contrapuntal single melodic lines over slight harmonic movements |
| 04:52.02 | itchi | gl1tchy0ne: 'noapic nolapic' troubles ?? |
| 04:52.10 | stoned | there is not much consonance which you are used to |
| 04:52.18 | dabreegster | stoned: My sister's into that sort of thing I think. But thanks anyway. |
| 04:52.21 | gl1tchy0ne | itchi: tried noapic |
| 04:52.34 | gl1tchy0ne | did not try nolapic |
| 04:52.34 | itchi | gl1tchy0ne: And both on the same time? |
| 04:52.42 | stoned | dabreegster, you can be your own judge |
| 04:52.48 | gl1tchy0ne | itich: nope |
| 04:52.54 | Gnea | it's noapic (disable) and lapic (enable) |
| 04:53.22 | gl1tchy0ne | Gnea: thats confusing |
| 04:53.52 | gl1tchy0ne | Gnea: so I just used 'install acpi=off' is that not right? |
| 04:54.07 | Gnea | gl1tchy0ne: try 'linux26 acpi=off' |
| 04:54.35 | Gnea | and noapic/lapic is a CPU feature, not a resource controlling mechanism |
| 04:55.13 | itchi | gl1tchy0ne: It's 'noapic noloapic', i missed before |
| 04:55.41 | gl1tchy0ne | itchi: so you are saying one should use both? |
| 04:56.12 | itchi | gl1tchy0ne: On this box i need to set kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-k7 root=/dev/hda6 ro noapic noloapic vga=791 |
| 04:56.40 | phalacee | I was wondering if it is possible to use a 56k voice-modem in-place of a Digium (or equivalent) PSTN card ... |
| 04:57.24 | gl1tchy0ne | itchi: ah I see... I really dont think it's an issue with acpi anyway cause that usually happens fairly soon during the install... I get almost all the way through... |
| 04:58.00 | itchi | gl1tchy0ne: I not know, i want to help you ;-) |
| 04:59.11 | gl1tchy0ne | itchi: and I am greatful for any suggestions! I am currently trying linux26 with acpi=off... although I believe that the linux26 is not needed as the etch install uses 2.6 by default |
| 05:00.48 | gl1tchy0ne | Does anyone know what the installer is actually doing when it says during the installation of the base system "storing Language"... I just wonder what it would be doing that is different from the other 75 that it did install ok |
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| 05:01.19 | itchi | gl1tchy0ne: Go to another VT an look to dmesg or so ?? |
| 05:01.53 | itchi | gl1tchy0ne: Is there not an VT for the install process, i mean with some informations? |
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| 05:03.39 | gl1tchy0ne | itchi: good call I am going to look at that when it gets there... currently making ext3 filesystem for about a half a terabyte |
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| 05:06.43 | maheem | hi! who has working pppoe server? |
| 05:07.08 | sortadi | hi |
| 05:07.42 | exobyte | for some reason, start-stop-daemon isn't creating a pid file for what it runs. Does it even do this? |
| 05:07.48 | gl1tchy0ne | well back to installing again... quietly praying to get past 75% now that I have installed about 12 times tonight |
| 05:09.15 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: it only does that if you use the -m option. |
| 05:09.32 | maheem | server authorizes client then says that modem hangup and breaks connection |
| 05:09.35 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: the --pidfile option is used to check for the existance of a pidfile which the daemon itself creates. |
| 05:09.58 | sortadi | is there anyway to basically stop the acpi and the acpid without having to edit grub and restart? |
| 05:10.33 | AI_coder | Anyone know how to change @INC perl variable? |
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| 05:10.46 | dondelelcaro | AI_coder: push @INC,qw(foo); |
| 05:11.05 | dondelelcaro | (or use lib qw(foo); |
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| 05:14.01 | gozz | is nerim.net down? |
| 05:14.22 | gl1tchy0ne | itchi: Hey man great call on the checking the other VT... seems an issue with the disc... although this does not make since as I have used it several times without issue.. so I am trying another cd drive |
| 05:14.45 | gl1tchy0ne | Gnea: thanks for all the great advice |
| 05:14.46 | itchi | gl1tchy0ne: :-) |
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| 05:15.41 | epsilon | gozz: if you mean ther webserver, port 80 is answering on telnet |
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| 05:16.00 | gl1tchy0ne | itchi: :) |
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| 05:16.24 | gozz | i have been trying to apt-update and its not working |
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| 05:17.24 | MoDaX | gozz: www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 05:17.46 | eps | mmm lunch was goooooood |
| 05:17.51 | MoDaX | gozz: a new name :) |
| 05:18.00 | eps | whats apt-update? |
| 05:18.14 | epsilon | mmm Tabasco Pizza was WaHooooooooooooo |
| 05:18.39 | gozz | MoDaX thanks! |
| 05:18.41 | eps | tabasco on a pizza? what crazy country are you from? |
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| 05:19.12 | epsilon | europe? |
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| 05:19.36 | eps | rightop |
| 05:19.42 | icwiener | Wher in urope is it time for pizza now? |
| 05:19.50 | icwiener | +e+e |
| 05:19.56 | eps | tabasco sauce isn't really big in australia |
| 05:20.06 | epsilon | it's pizza time if you woke up @ 3 |
| 05:20.14 | eps | gtm 0519 |
| 05:20.22 | epsilon | 7:20 here |
| 05:20.23 | eps | early breakfast or late dinner :P |
| 05:20.30 | icwiener | hehe |
| 05:20.50 | eps | why would any one in their right mind wake up at 3? I normally go to bed then |
| 05:21.16 | epsilon | tunna pizza with red ocean of Tabasco on it... mjam |
| 05:21.37 | eps | to that I say peh...silly europians will eat anything |
| 05:22.01 | epsilon | you are from US sth? |
| 05:22.12 | epsilon | cause Tabasco is made in US |
| 05:22.16 | eps | haha, american: wont touch anything new...australians: like a bit of this from here with a bit of that from there...europians: we' |
| 05:22.19 | eps | ll eat it! |
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| 05:22.33 | eps | I'm australian :P |
| 05:22.55 | epsilon | drink tabasco and convert to european :P |
| 05:23.16 | eps | drink it? |
| 05:23.22 | eps | you've got to be joking |
| 05:24.18 | icwiener | It's like the chilli thing... you have to drink wax from a candle first. :D |
| 05:24.29 | eps | haha |
| 05:24.46 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: thank you!! (I was afk for a little) |
| 05:24.46 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: np |
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| 05:27.36 | Woosta | How do I know what package a given file came from? There must be an apt command for it :) |
| 05:28.00 | eps | apt-file |
| 05:28.21 | sep | Woosta, if the package is installed you can use dpkg -S |
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| 05:28.36 | Woosta | Ahh .cool .. I dont' have apt-file :) |
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| 05:38.18 | Gnea | dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 05:38.19 | dpkg | Package: /path/to/file: Status: install ok installed |
| 05:38.31 | Gnea | lol |
| 05:38.57 | Gnea | dpkg -S /path/to/your_mom |
| 05:38.57 | dpkg | Package: /path/to/your_mom: Status: install ok installed |
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| 05:39.04 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:39.42 | deadcat | most of my files are jan 1 1970, should i touch them all? |
| 05:40.04 | Gnea | deadcat: what's wrong with jan 1 1970? |
| 05:40.20 | deadcat | Gnea: i guess not.. so i should just stick with it? |
| 05:40.29 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.31 | Gnea | deadcat: if it ain't broke... |
| 05:40.33 | eps | lol |
| 05:40.39 | deadcat | Gnea: ok... |
| 05:40.41 | Gnea | sep: -s != -S |
| 05:41.04 | eps | lol |
| 05:41.19 | sep | Gnea, i know. tell dpkg that |
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| 05:43.36 | siskel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:44.19 | siskel | ummm noone seems to stay up late :S |
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| 05:45.41 | Bitz_ | hi, it possible to just install just openoffice writer instead of the complete suite? |
| 05:45.43 | sep | siskel, it's 07:45 +2 damit |
| 05:45.51 | sep | too early for silly timezone jokes :P |
| 05:46.06 | siskel | hehe is 1:46 here |
| 05:46.25 | siskel | do you happen to know if aterm supports cursor position save and restore? |
| 05:46.34 | sep | have no idea. |
| 05:46.51 | siskel | i just discovered i can make a very interesting prompt but is not working on my aterm so i guess it doesnt support it :( |
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| 05:50.07 | AI_coder | Anyone know how to get mason working on debian? |
| 05:50.13 | AI_coder | HTML::Mason... |
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| 05:51.38 | lkthomas | LOL |
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| 05:52.56 | lkthomas | se from oomphoeam nature ca crips undersftepholes the began ourglying eat himrvadnlni |
| 05:53.04 | lkthomas | LOL |
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| 05:56.49 | jamesn_ | I'm installing debian on a few pc's to start with at a call center and wanted to lock the usabiility of the operators to only use a web browser.. how can i achieve this? |
| 05:57.49 | evaded | jamesn_: An kiosk or so ? |
| 05:59.00 | jamesn_ | evaded: that would be a good example, i just want to lock em down to a browser and that is it |
| 05:59.30 | evaded | jamesn_: Ala kiosk i guess, look on 'tldp' for the kiosk howto |
| 06:00.21 | jamesn_ | no results |
| 06:00.28 | tralala | jamesn_: an easy (yet dirty) way of doing it is chmod -R go-rx /{usr,}/{s,}bin |
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| 06:01.02 | tralala | then activate the rx permissions to only what's absolutely needed for the browser to start |
| 06:01.38 | evaded | jamesn_: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Kiosk-HOWTO.html |
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| 06:03.49 | gl1tchy0ne | YaY! Problem fixed... damn new cdrom from newegg |
| 06:04.57 | evaded | gl1tchy0ne: There is also an option to test the integrity of the cd BTW |
| 06:05.54 | AI_coder | How do I upgrade debian stable to testing or unstable? |
| 06:06.06 | stumbles | hi, i'd like to do a diff between a local set of files and one accessible via ssh. What would be an appropriate program for this? |
| 06:06.30 | evaded | AI_coder: '/msg dpkg stable->etch' |
| 06:06.36 | evaded | oeps |
| 06:07.04 | evaded | AI_coder: '/msg dpkg stable->testing' |
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| 06:07.22 | AI_coder | etch == unstable right? |
| 06:07.41 | evaded | AI_coder: no etch == Testing |
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| 06:08.04 | evaded | AI_coder: Sid == unstable |
| 06:08.18 | gl1tchy0ne | evaded: yeah I know... I had just used the disc the day before and it was fine |
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| 06:08.52 | evaded | gl1tchy0ne: It's 'itchi' on the laptop here ;-) |
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| 06:10.18 | AI_coder | Well, I'm going to try unstable, hopefully mason 1.3x will be there. |
| 06:10.35 | evaded | AI_coder: It's a very bad choice :-/ |
| 06:10.48 | AI_coder | evaded: Why do you think that is so? |
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| 06:11.10 | evaded | AI_coder: Know you how to fix you're system if it broken ? |
| 06:11.20 | AI_coder | Yeah, reinstall... |
| 06:11.37 | evaded | AI_coder: Probably it would quick broken, like Unstable ==== unstable :-/ |
| 06:11.57 | icwiener | In my "settings" menu in konqueror(3.5.3) there are the "Hide Menubar" and "Show Menubar" strings switched. This appears only with the debs. If I compile it by myself, the problem is not there. Has anyone the same thing with the debs? |
| 06:13.00 | evaded | AI_coder: It could be are that you need to fix the system, in awaiting that an app are fixed, if you reinstall reinstall the whole time and get an broken package; reinstalling would againg get that broken package. It's a bit safer to use Etch |
| 06:13.06 | tcp|p | would somebody mind advising me on what to setup my partitons as? |
| 06:13.18 | tcp|p | I have to do it manually because grub is giving me errors |
| 06:13.26 | tcp|p | but I have no idea what size to make what |
| 06:13.42 | eps | what partitions do you want? |
| 06:13.43 | AI_coder | Well can I go from unstable to testing? |
| 06:13.52 | eps | AI_coder, painfully :P |
| 06:14.00 | eps | I've done it once or twice before |
| 06:14.08 | tcp|p | eps: whatever will get me running, it's going to be a dedicated shoutcast server if that means anything |
| 06:14.09 | evaded | AI_coder: With some pain on the ass and with many knowledges... |
| 06:14.15 | tcp|p | it's a single 250 GB ide hdd |
| 06:14.32 | AI_coder | evaded: Well, that aint' gonna happen. |
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| 06:14.41 | suppaman | hello |
| 06:14.55 | evaded | AI_coder: Try first then of Etch; then then if really needed; go to unstable |
| 06:15.26 | exobyte_ | do I have to add an init script to something so it will run on boot? |
| 06:15.29 | evaded | AI_coder: And you see i sugest you Etch, im a bad guy and someone are going to kill me :-/ |
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| 06:15.57 | AI_coder | I'm just gonna try another distro... |
| 06:16.37 | tcp|p | eps: got a second to help a newb out with my partitions? |
| 06:16.39 | evaded | AI_coder: You would never find somethings better than Debian |
| 06:16.42 | eps | tcp|p, mmm |
| 06:16.52 | eps | tcp|p, well thats a lot of hdd to waste for a shoutcast server :P |
| 06:17.00 | tcp|p | yup |
| 06:17.02 | eps | a full debian install has trouble using 3 gig :P |
| 06:17.07 | evaded | AI_coder: Why unstable and not Etch?? Can you tell me? |
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| 06:17.30 | tcp|p | was also thinking of maybe setting up a ftp server since the radio wont use all the bandwidth |
| 06:17.37 | pitillo | anyone know which is the transfer rate of a SATA hd ? |
| 06:17.41 | AI_coder | evaded: Well neither had what I needed. |
| 06:17.47 | eps | okay well I recommend using a root partition ( / ) of around 5 to 10 gig assuming you may want to use this as a desktop at some point (if not only make it 5 gig) and then just put the rest into the /home directory |
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| 06:17.55 | evaded | AI_coder: How so? |
| 06:17.57 | AI_coder | I like debian, but I need Mason 1.3x, I can't get it. |
| 06:18.00 | eps | pitillo, they change depending on the drive |
| 06:18.27 | croak77 | quick question, is there a testing etch .deb for gnomebaker? |
| 06:18.29 | eps | AI_coder, as in the perl lang? |
| 06:18.30 | tcp|p | eps: I need to make a boot partition as well because of the grub error 18 I keep getting |
| 06:18.38 | eps | croak77, indeed there is |
| 06:18.46 | tcp|p | would that make any difference? |
| 06:18.58 | eps | tcp|p, cool, make sure your boot partition is less than or about 25-30 meg |
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| 06:19.04 | tcp|p | I already know to put it in the begginning of the hdd |
| 06:19.07 | pitillo | eps, on the drive or the driver? mine is working at 1.5Gb/s but the transfer rate is above 60MB/s ... It isn?t much better that ATA133 drive |
| 06:19.14 | evaded | AI_coder: On testing it's Version: 1.0.0-4 |
| 06:19.15 | tcp|p | oh ok, I read somewhere to make it 50 or so |
| 06:19.30 | eps | pitillo, the drive... pata is only slightly faster than ata133 |
| 06:19.37 | tcp|p | but the smaller ammount makes more sense considering what it does |
| 06:19.40 | eps | (hence 133 vs 150) |
| 06:19.51 | evaded | !tell suppaman -about away |
| 06:20.02 | eps | tcp|p, yeah, depends...older setups don't like huge boot partitions so I tend to avoid them |
| 06:20.10 | suppaman | yes sorry |
| 06:20.23 | eps | mine is about 28meg and i have eight kernels isntalled with a bunch of grub stuff..and it is only using around 24meg :P |
| 06:20.35 | croak77 | eps, do you know what repo...i searched packages.debian.org and only stable and unstable are listed not testing |
| 06:20.35 | evaded | AI_coder: I not know exactly what manson does, are there nothings similar ? |
| 06:20.36 | pitillo | eps, thanks, I waited better performance than I get. I thought may be the driver |
| 06:21.15 | eps | pitillo, nope sorry ... though if it means anything the linux drivers are slightly more optomised than the windows ones :P |
| 06:21.24 | tcp|p | eps: well thanks for your help, maybe this is the reason I'm switching from ubuntu to debian:) |
| 06:21.39 | pitillo | :D |
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| 06:22.03 | eps | http://packages.debian.org/testing/allpackages |
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| 06:22.27 | evaded | eps: ata is pata, right ? |
| 06:22.32 | eps | no |
| 06:22.37 | eps | well yes |
| 06:22.41 | eps | but ata is a standard |
| 06:23.03 | eps | pata (is what every one used to call ata because it was the only one) |
| 06:23.14 | eps | so you have pata (the old one) and sata (the new one) |
| 06:23.54 | pitillo | parallel ata (pata) or serial ata(sata) both from the same standard ata |
| 06:23.58 | evaded | eps: No, we have always use the _bad_ therm ?? And now we are perturbated?? |
| 06:24.27 | eps | hehe :P |
| 06:25.18 | evaded | eps: Yeah :-P |
| 06:25.25 | eps | tcp|p, heh, mmm ubuntu is good/okay...I like newer users to use it say over red hat distros as it is still a purist linux distro...though personally i find it limited and they cut corners for usability...so yeah, you will probably like debian a bit more though ubuntu 6.06 isn't that bad :) |
| 06:25.53 | AI_coder | evaded: Mason is similar to php in perl |
| 06:26.07 | suppaman | I'd like to use my mta as smtp server, I tried to but the mail (to me from myself) didn't arrived. Is there a log I can look to see what the problem is ? |
| 06:26.14 | eps | AI_coder, according to the mason website it works fine in linux |
| 06:26.30 | eps | suppaman, I think there is one in /var/log |
| 06:27.25 | eps | grr useless sales people...telling me one problem which is reality another problem |
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| 06:27.57 | eps | oh yeah, the person who wanted gnomebaker from testing.... http://packages.debian.org/testing/allpackages |
| 06:28.07 | evaded | AI_coder: There is no backport of it :-/ And could you not install if from source ? |
| 06:28.22 | croak77 | eps, it's not listed there |
| 06:28.36 | croak77 | eps, ie. gnomebaker |
| 06:28.46 | suppaman | eps yes I found something in syslog thx |
| 06:29.52 | evaded | AI_coder: If you want 'python' is going to /replace/ 'perl' |
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| 06:31.33 | AI_coder | I don't really find perl is all that great. |
| 06:31.39 | AI_coder | I mean python... |
| 06:31.47 | AI_coder | It's late, sorry for my lack of focus. |
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| 06:34.38 | evaded | AI_coder: Where can i dowload it, i try to install the lastest one on my Etch box |
| 06:35.34 | evaded | AI_coder: Download pager are very clear there :-/ |
| 06:35.34 | emmettshear | I have 2.6.16 kernel running, and I'm trying to install some packages from unstable...they all want to remove the 2.6 kernel and install 2.4 - how do I tell them to stop? |
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| 06:36.08 | AI_coder | I must have had bad mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:36.09 | sneex | dfsbuild users here? |
| 06:36.15 | k-god | emmettshear: are you mixing stable/unstable packages? |
| 06:36.26 | emmettshear | apparently... |
| 06:36.33 | emmettshear | I'm not exactly sure :) |
| 06:36.41 | emmettshear | I'm trying to backport something |
| 06:36.42 | k-god | emmettshear: Cancel the install. Run your package management tool (eg: aptitude) and mark the packages purged. |
| 06:36.44 | emmettshear | from unstable to stable |
| 06:36.54 | evaded | AI_coder: That version number i told you is of 'mason' blablabla firewall thing, its looks not the same :-/ |
| 06:36.54 | emmettshear | ruby1.8, in particular |
| 06:37.08 | k-god | emmettshear: OK. If you find 'unstable' and 'stable' sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, you've got a problem. |
| 06:37.20 | emmettshear | ah, I see |
| 06:37.36 | emmettshear | so which one should I have, singular? |
| 06:37.44 | k-god | Pick one. |
| 06:37.55 | k-god | And if you've currently got unstable in there, downgrading is not supported. |
| 06:37.56 | AI_coder | Not firewall, it's a web development tool. |
| 06:38.00 | AI_coder | libhtml-mason-perl |
| 06:38.06 | emmettshear | ok |
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| 06:38.39 | k-god | !tell emmettshear about downgrade |
| 06:39.00 | emmettshear | I haven't actually installed anything from unstable, I don't think |
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| 06:39.23 | emmettshear | I was following the instructions at http://www.archivesat.com/Debian_Ruby_packages_maintenance/thread613458.htm |
| 06:39.27 | AI_coder | Speaking of which I need to remove my stable entries. |
| 06:39.35 | evaded | AI_coder: On Etch Version: 1:1.32-1 |
| 06:40.17 | evaded | AI_coder: That's looks the lastest one! |
| 06:40.40 | emmettshear | the build-dep step wants to remove my 2.6 kernel, which I'm not particularly fond of as an idea...how do I tell it "compile me ruby! Ignore the kernel, your dependencies are wrong" |
| 06:40.57 | emmettshear | or whatever it is I'm supposed to say to it right now :) |
| 06:41.12 | evaded | AI_coder: No need to worry and go to Sid ;-) |
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| 06:44.48 | w1d0wmaker | ok so etch installed a 486 kernel for my damn AMD64 proc... can someone please tell me the best kernel I can get that is still 32bit? |
| 06:44.59 | w1d0wmaker | IE - k8 or something? |
| 06:46.22 | AI_coder | evaded: Yeah, it was just a problem with my mirror list, they didn't have the latest package. |
| 06:46.32 | evaded | w1d0wmaker: Do an search apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 06:46.36 | AI_coder | evaded: Unfortunately I'm already at unstable, if I could go back I would. |
| 06:47.18 | evaded | AI_coder: I not know if it would work. Probably you get no support here for Sid :-/ |
| 06:48.55 | w1d0wmaker | evaded: will do... |
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| 06:49.45 | w1d0wmaker | evaded: highest it shows is k7... anyone know if that is it before going to 64bit? |
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| 06:51.28 | evaded | w1d0wmaker: It's the 32 bit |
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| 06:52.48 | evaded | I not understand why ho no more whil |
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| 06:54.01 | MoDaX | w1d0wmaker: k7 |
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| 06:54.59 | w1d0wmaker | Kewl thanks guys |
| 06:55.22 | MoDaX | w1d0wmaker: k8 is 64bit with 32bit emulation. but I would not recommend running 64bit kernel with full 32bit userspace. although it is possible |
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| 06:56.36 | eps | later all |
| 06:57.13 | evaded | tuxplorer: That's creatif as nick ;-) |
| 06:57.25 | tuxplorer | what for is the Section: contrib/devel kind of section fields in the control file of a debian package? where would it be used? |
| 06:57.28 | w1d0wmaker | MoDax: yeah I agree... so k7 is highest... I installed that |
| 06:57.36 | tuxplorer | evaded: thanks |
| 06:58.34 | tuxplorer | "Section: contrib/devel" |
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| 07:01.02 | MoDaX | !tell tuxplorer about contrib |
| 07:02.01 | MoDaX | tuxplorer: and devel is for development stuff (headers etc.) |
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| 07:04.43 | AI_coder | May I paste four lines in here? |
| 07:05.12 | dondelelcaro | AI_coder: use the paste bot or #flood |
| 07:05.13 | AI_coder | I'm confused as to why I have removed a package yet dpkg -L still reports some of the files as installed. |
| 07:05.20 | AI_coder | !pastebot |
| 07:05.52 | AI_coder | http://rafb.net/paste/results/07sX6076.html |
| 07:05.52 | dondelelcaro | AI_coder: if they're configuration files, then they may still be listed. |
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| 07:06.15 | AI_coder | How do I get dpkg to remove them entirely? |
| 07:06.17 | jacekowski | tell prizman about why debian |
| 07:06.23 | dondelelcaro | AI_coder: you need to use dpkg --purge libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 07:06.26 | Strayhikari | Linux noob having trouble playing wmv files, I have totem installed and have read on the internet that I need to install the win32 codecs, but can't find them on synaptic, can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 07:06.27 | jacekowski | tell prizman about why debian |
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| 07:06.40 | dondelelcaro | jacekowski: it's !tell; and stop flooding please. |
| 07:06.40 | jacekowski | tell prizman about why debian |
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| 07:08.21 | Strayhikari | Anyone around that can help me out with these wmv files? |
| 07:08.24 | ryty | anyone around? I need some help on a problem I'm facing |
| 07:08.31 | ryty | hmm, jinks? |
| 07:08.34 | dondelelcaro | !tell ryty -about ask |
| 07:09.01 | ryty | dondelelcaro, I'm aware, just wanted to make sure I wasn't speaking to thin air |
| 07:09.43 | tralala | Strayhikari: wmv, stays for windows media video, mplayer has some support for it, but if it is not enough you will need the win32 codecs. Ask dpkg about marillat |
| 07:09.43 | ryty | so, I'm running debian-amd64 (sid, if it matters) and I remove the one file that should never be removed... /lib/ld-2.3.6.so |
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| 07:09.58 | ryty | I'm not in Knoppix, the end |
| 07:10.04 | ryty | now, how would I fix that? |
| 07:10.10 | ryty | now in Knoppix- |
| 07:10.18 | evaded | !tell jacekowski -about selftell |
| 07:10.22 | jacekowski | anyone here use the gentoo? |
| 07:10.28 | jacekowski | anyone here use gentoo? |
| 07:10.35 | Strayhikari | Thanks tralala |
| 07:10.39 | tralala | jacekowski: all of us |
| 07:10.45 | Strayhikari | So totem won't be able to handle it? |
| 07:10.47 | sep | jacekowski, look in #gentoo |
| 07:10.53 | evaded | jacekowski: You need to put an ! in begin and the - before the about |
| 07:11.10 | tralala | jacekowski: I mean it should be clear from the channel name, that it's a place for gentoo users. |
| 07:11.31 | dondelelcaro | ryty: use dpkg-deb -x to unpack the appropriate libc6 deb, and move the file over. |
| 07:11.54 | ryty | dondelelcaro, sounds good, thanks |
| 07:12.02 | lawner | ive apt-get installed a package and dpkg returned an error code of 1, but the binary works fine...is there any way to get a more verbose error from apt-get |
| 07:12.24 | jacekowski | debian sux |
| 07:12.25 | MoDaX | lawner: what package? |
| 07:12.31 | lawner | its a sarge-backport of cacti-cactid |
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| 07:12.38 | evaded | jacekowski: You suck _more_ |
| 07:12.55 | lawner | looks like its choking on the post-installation script |
| 07:12.55 | evaded | bye and never ... |
| 07:13.04 | lawner | dpkg: error processing cacti-cactid (--configure): |
| 07:13.09 | lawner | i guess it doesnt matter |
| 07:13.30 | dondelelcaro | lawner: you need to add a set -x; to the postinst script of cacti-cactid and see exactly what line it's failing on. |
| 07:13.30 | streuner | hm |
| 07:13.38 | lawner | dondelelcaro: ok. thank you sir |
| 07:14.00 | dondelelcaro | (assuming that it's in shell, of course... other rules for other types of postinst files) |
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| 07:16.45 | littleball | hello, how to monitor and report the network connection quality betweeen two servers? any tools? |
| 07:18.11 | sep | littleball, smokeping, or iperf |
| 07:18.41 | ryty | BINGO. |
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| 07:20.07 | evaded | ryty: Give him coffee, better than beer :-) |
| 07:20.30 | streuner | ah coffee, good idea ...:-) |
| 07:21.03 | ryty | be back, maybe. Trying it out. |
| 07:21.04 | evaded | We have many alcolics here :-p |
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| 07:24.28 | tuxplorer | thanks MoDaX |
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| 07:26.55 | evaded | hehe, there are limonade to |
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| 07:28.50 | kinema | does anyone know of a program that using traceroute, ping and other such utilities can determine which from a list of hosts/servers/mirrors is closest to you? |
| 07:29.12 | enyc | kinema: ive heard of something called mirrorselect |
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| 07:29.21 | enyc | kinema: but i dont know if that works with debian/apt |
| 07:30.20 | evaded | kinema: apt-spy ?? a package to install |
| 07:30.47 | kinema | thanks.... i just found it. netselct |
| 07:31.15 | evaded | kinema: or apt-setup but im not sure i have been understand |
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| 07:34.59 | bintut | any fai users here? |
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| 07:40.22 | bintut | I'm planning to make use of my laptop running Gentoo Linux as my FAI install server and the distribution to be installed to the fresh computers through FAI will either be Ubuntu Dapper or Debian Sarge. Would it be possible and practical? As much as possible, I don't want to format my system and install either Ubuntu Dapper or Debian Sarge just to make it as a FAI install server. |
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| 07:45.33 | MarkH_UK | hi all |
| 07:45.46 | MarkH_UK | not really a specific question but i need to get mod-rewrite for debian |
| 07:45.54 | MarkH_UK | can't seem to find the package using apt-get |
| 07:46.06 | MarkH_UK | anyone care to point me in the right direction? |
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| 07:50.12 | MoDaX | MarkH_UK: it is standard in apache and apache2. so no separate package |
| 07:50.56 | loiic | what is the most logic place to pub the named chroot jail? / ? /var/named ? /var/lib/named ? |
| 07:51.01 | noshitheel | hi folks |
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| 07:51.42 | yxa | anyone knows how to redeliver mail wrongly marked as spam? sendmail -t ... or something |
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| 07:52.36 | cafuego | loiic: I'd create the chroot in the running user's homedir. |
| 07:52.48 | noshitheel | i had the same problem as a lot of you with the unstable ;-) i've find help about the bloody packages who caused this. but i'm looking how to downgrade them |
| 07:53.00 | MarkH_UK | anyone any ideas how i can apt-get mod rewrite? |
| 07:53.05 | cafuego | loiic: I'd also not bother with a chroot for bind9 though, and I'd upgrade to that if I had bind8. |
| 07:53.18 | MarkH_UK | i've tried libapache-mod_rewrite and modrewrite |
| 07:53.23 | cafuego | MarkH_UK: It's comes with apache(2) by default. Just enable it. |
| 07:53.24 | MarkH_UK | neither comes back with anything,. |
| 07:53.38 | loiic | you think bothering for a chroot with bind9 is useless? |
| 07:53.40 | MarkH_UK | what about standard apache 1.3.x |
| 07:53.40 | MarkH_UK | ? |
| 07:53.52 | cafuego | MarkH_UK: Pretty sure it comes with it, let me see |
| 07:53.55 | MarkH_UK | kk |
| 07:53.56 | MarkH_UK | thanks |
| 07:54.23 | cafuego | apache-common: /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_rewrite.so |
| 07:54.43 | cafuego | Just enable it, it's already installed. |
| 07:55.02 | MarkH_UK | yea thanks cafuego |
| 07:55.03 | cafuego | Run `sudo /usr/sbin/apache-modconf apache' |
| 07:55.58 | MarkH_UK | lothal:/usr/lib/apache/1.3# /usr/sbin/apache-modconf apache enable mod_rewrite |
| 07:55.59 | MarkH_UK | ? |
| 07:57.02 | cafuego | Something along those lines, I think |
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| 07:57.32 | MarkH_UK | seems to be working |
| 07:57.33 | MarkH_UK | : ) |
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| 07:58.47 | noshitheel | anyway, i find it ;-) |
| 07:58.56 | noshitheel | just so easier than i thought |
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| 07:59.22 | cookiecaper | Hey mans, I'm getting an ATi card tomorrow. What should I do about this? Anything? Some dude told me to use fglrx, but should I not use some open-source crap? |
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| 08:00.16 | sep | cookiecaper, ati cards work with the included drivers , but if you want 3d acceleration youll need atis propritary fglrx drivers |
| 08:00.18 | sep | !ati |
| 08:00.18 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
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| 08:01.15 | Eclipser | mh |
| 08:01.15 | evaded | cookiecaper: You mean proprietary crap and nice opensource stuff ?? |
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| 08:01.26 | Eclipser | any network operators here listening? :) |
| 08:01.29 | cookiecaper | haha, yeah. ; ) ok, thanks. : ) I've heard ATi's Linux driver sucks. Is that probably true? |
| 08:01.46 | cookiecaper | !anyone |
| 08:01.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 08:02.10 | sep | Eclipser, if your looking for the freenode network ops ask in #freenode |
| 08:02.27 | Eclipser | sep, I can't get to any more channels, I'd have to leave from somewhere |
| 08:02.31 | Eclipser | :) |
| 08:02.54 | sep | Eclipser, since this channel moved to oftc that realy should not be a problem :) |
| 08:03.06 | Eclipser | oftc? |
| 08:03.18 | blondie | sep: this channel is still on freenode |
| 08:03.36 | sep | blondie, as we both well are aware of |
| 08:03.37 | streuner | Where can i ask stuff about freenode? |
| 08:03.43 | sep | streuner, #freenode |
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| 08:03.57 | streuner | sep: /list #freenode says nothing... |
| 08:03.58 | threw | hello ! |
| 08:04.19 | blondie | #freenode-social |
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| 08:05.11 | Azertyuuu | hey all, I want to run a Live CD, but Grub always interrupts (it starts earlier) , how can I change that ? |
| 08:05.23 | pumpkin0 | => http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp |
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| 08:05.43 | pumpkin0 | Azertyuuu: that's a setting in your BIOS: Boot CD first. |
| 08:05.43 | Eclipser | Azertyuuu, set boot from cd to first from bios |
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| 08:06.59 | Azertyuuu | Eclipser: I have done it 10 times :( |
| 08:07.10 | Eclipser | Azertyuuu, you're doing it wrong |
| 08:07.27 | pumpkin0 | Azertyuuu: disable booting from HD ? |
| 08:07.29 | Azertyuuu | How do you know ? |
| 08:07.43 | threw | i have a little problem: when I boot i have an error thats display a lot of time, just after that I have selected my OS: "modprobe: FATAL /lib/modules/2.6.17/modules.dep : No such file or directory". But /lib/modules/2.6.17/modules.dep exist. After displaying the errors, the system continue booting and nothing goes wrong next, but i would know why thats dislaying this error, please. |
| 08:07.44 | Tomze | hit f8 er something is often = boot options |
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| 08:08.05 | Azertyuuu | Tomze: for Grub ? |
| 08:08.08 | Eclipser | Tomze, eh, that's windows boot loader specific |
| 08:08.44 | pumpkin0 | threw: is the file read and writable ? |
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| 08:10.31 | threw | well, i think: "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root modules.dep" ? |
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| 08:11.02 | Tomze | Eclipser: this aint the windows channel? (on this pc f12 = boot options btw..) |
| 08:11.11 | pumpkin0 | threw: that's OK. have you messed with the startup-scripts ? |
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| 08:11.30 | Eclipser | Tomze, you mean getting in bios, it can be various things :) |
| 08:11.43 | pumpkin0 | Tomze: well it's #debian |
| 08:11.53 | Tomze | Eclipser: no... i mean slect boot device.. thats why i write it |
| 08:12.39 | Eclipser | Tomze, getting in BIOS settings is motherboard specific, you can't assume that one can get there by pressing F8 |
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| 08:12.52 | Tomze | Eclipser: i never did |
| 08:13.01 | Eclipser | it can be DELETE, F1, F8, F12 or something else... I think those are most common |
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| 08:15.14 | threw | pumpkin0: no, i dont touch to the startup scrip, but what do you mean by " messed with the startup-scripts" ? But an other thing seems strange to me when i boot: initrd image (generated by mkinitramfs) do a lot of times (2 or 3 seconds) to load..... |
| 08:15.53 | pumpkin0 | threw: why do you need a initrd ? usually you can get along w/o one. |
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| 08:18.15 | threw | well my IDE disk driver doesnt seems to be in "hard" (i dont know the english word :) ) in the kernel (erf i didnt success to find them in kernel cofiguration), so i need an initrd to load them :) |
| 08:18.44 | Phated | Compile them in, then :) |
| 08:19.28 | pumpkin0 | threw: That's easily solvable: do a "lspci -v" and post the result somewhere (not into the channel, please) |
| 08:19.31 | eleftherios | what is the purpose of /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/dist and what should go in there? |
| 08:20.12 | karsten | Phated: WTF? You live? |
| 08:20.54 | Phated | karsten: Er, I always did? |
| 08:20.58 | Gnea | i wonder if Phated is to blame for shoddy system security in china ;) |
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| 08:21.09 | karsten | Phated: In places other than here of late. |
| 08:21.27 | Phated | karsten: Er, no. |
| 08:21.28 | karsten | Gnea: s/blame/praise/ |
| 08:21.34 | Gnea | karsten: lol |
| 08:21.34 | threw | pumpkin0: ok, result of command is here: http://fr.pastebin.ca/raw/68907 |
| 08:21.48 | karsten | Phated: Well, in a roundabout way, I'm saying I haven't seen you around and you've been missed. Feh! |
| 08:21.54 | Phated | karsten: That's nice, dear. |
| 08:22.09 | Gnea | karsten: c'mon dude, it's just irc :) |
| 08:22.12 | karsten | Greet be _properly_. |
| 08:22.17 | karsten | s/be/me/ |
| 08:22.18 | Phated | No thanks. |
| 08:22.24 | pumpkin0 | threw: is it a SATA or a IDE drive ? |
| 08:22.32 | karsten | Gnea: sacralige! |
| 08:22.55 | Gnea | karsten: leave my mom outta this! |
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| 08:23.09 | raden | does anyone have a idea where Kmail keeps its files ? |
| 08:23.14 | threw | pumpkin0: i need to load ide module in initrd, so i think thats an IDE drive :) |
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| 08:23.42 | Gnea | awww man... |
| 08:23.57 | Gnea | raden: ~/.kmail or ~/.kde/kmail ? |
| 08:24.22 | pumpkin0 | threw: the IDE-stuff for your normal IDE controller is compiled into all 2.6.X kernels. Only the SATA-RAID-controller is a bit strange. |
| 08:24.28 | karsten | Gnea: /msg? |
| 08:24.35 | Gnea | karsten: is open |
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| 08:25.48 | raden | Gnea i have like 4000 emails and them folders are empty been looking for hours |
| 08:26.15 | threw | pumpkin0: ok, so maybe i need SATA RAID controller into my kernel, ill try :) so what option must i set in kernel configuration please ? |
| 08:26.42 | Gnea | raden: sure it's not /var/mail/raden? |
| 08:26.48 | pumpkin0 | threw: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , search for "VT6420". in a short: you need sata_via |
| 08:28.00 | raden | Gnea, lemee look |
| 08:28.29 | raden | Gnea, only roots mail |
| 08:28.37 | pumpkin0 | threw: the *.dep-message maybe a corrupt initrd. while starting the initrd is loaded as /. And maybe /lib/modules/2.6.17/modules.dep does not exisit at that time. |
| 08:28.59 | pumpkin0 | threw: and i still think switching toa non-initrd-setup is easier than fixing a initrd. |
| 08:29.40 | threw | ok, so i have activated to option in /usr/src/linux/.config, and i launch kernel compilation :p |
| 08:29.42 | Gnea | raden: i stopped using kmail years ago when evolution came out.. then went onto thunderbird and haven't looked back |
| 08:29.51 | Gnea | buuutt... |
| 08:30.01 | raden | im thinking of thunderbird just everything works soo nice with palm pilot :( |
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| 08:30.19 | Gnea | yeah, i got a palm to sync with evolution no sweat |
| 08:30.25 | raden | i switched ma and pa to fire fox and thunderbird thats all they have and KDE desktop LOL :) |
| 08:30.33 | raden | Gnea hmmmm |
| 08:30.34 | raf256` | damn |
| 08:31.32 | Gnea | raden: try ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/ |
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| 08:31.54 | Gnea | raden: you got your parents to use linux? :) |
| 08:33.29 | karsten | !win raden |
| 08:33.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, raden! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 08:37.13 | raf256 | hello |
| 08:37.19 | karsten | raf256: Oi. |
| 08:37.21 | raf256 | damn! |
| 08:37.32 | raf256 | my damn X stoped from working, after upgrade Xorg 6 to 7 |
| 08:37.49 | raf256 | it complains about missing modules: misc, glx, nvidia - and do not start up |
| 08:37.57 | raden | Gnea, yeah it was easier than windows |
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| 08:38.13 | karsten | raf256: Did you have nvidia drivers installed previously? |
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| 08:38.25 | raden | they just have email and Browser a calulator and abiword on a AMD 1600 duron |
| 08:38.31 | Gnea | raden: nice. i got my mom to use linux a few years ago too. my father isn't as easy to port over :) |
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| 08:38.44 | raf256 | karsten: yes |
| 08:38.45 | raden | Gnea old people need simplicity |
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| 08:39.10 | raden | now if i could figure out WTF all my mail is sitting ill be happy 2 months with no mail backups BAD idea |
| 08:39.13 | Gnea | raden: yeah. i set her up with the gnome desktop because it was more stable than kde at the time - got her all sorts of gnome games on there too. REALLY simple |
| 08:39.14 | raf256 | karsten: this time also I recompiled nvidia.com's driver as always, but it didnt help. |
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| 08:39.19 | iudicium | debian from scratch ? Help |
| 08:39.28 | karsten | raf256: Hrm. I'm tapped out. |
| 08:39.32 | raf256 | damn! |
| 08:39.33 | Gnea | !tell iudicium about ask |
| 08:39.36 | karsten | iudicium: Rephrase. |
| 08:39.37 | noshadow | raden: sadly most old people do not want a simple interface, but a graphical because other people are using it. |
| 08:39.41 | karsten | !tell iudicium about smart questions |
| 08:39.54 | iudicium | im trying to get an Etch i386 dfsbuild to work |
| 08:40.25 | raf256 | anyone? nvidia driver did complain about something thouh, let me try to reinstall it then |
| 08:40.28 | raden | noshadow, KDE, Firefox, thunderbird, Abi word and a simple image editor and a printer usually what i set people up with and i have a 30 page printed manual and most people say its the simplest thing they ever used ! |
| 08:41.01 | noshadow | raden: except when they are old. Those programs have far too much graphical stuff for an old person to actually grasp. |
| 08:41.23 | raden | noshadow, you want to tell me something simpler |
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| 08:41.41 | raden | i have a 86 year old grandmother on linspire with like 0 options shes happy and content |
| 08:42.07 | noshadow | raden: In my experience I can teach old people over 60 faster how to use a console than anybody can teach them how to move and click with a mouse. |
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| 08:42.38 | raden | noshadow, it all matters methods of training and i do see your point ! |
| 08:42.55 | yage | If i need to connect two class C networks using a linux gateway, is it enaugh to set it as a gateway in the machines, put it on both networks, and enable ip_forwarding? |
| 08:43.56 | noshadow | yage: the routing tables have to be correct, too. But that is often correct already. |
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| 08:44.15 | raf256 | how do I scroll up in irssis? |
| 08:44.24 | raf256 | ah, just PgUp |
| 08:44.26 | streuner | PgUp? |
| 08:44.29 | blondie | lol. |
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| 08:44.52 | aeiou | hi |
| 08:45.02 | raf256 | so any idea about this? how to check does module "nvidia" exist at all, where it should be? |
| 08:45.05 | karsten | aeiou: ... and sometimes y. |
| 08:45.14 | raf256 | modprobe nvidia do work |
| 08:45.16 | blondie | y is a fake vowel |
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| 08:45.48 | Shadur_ | raf256: lsmod, modprobe nvidia |
| 08:46.16 | raden | when i add route it never stays when i reboot how do i permentley add route ? |
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| 08:46.27 | karsten | blondie: y has dark roots. |
| 08:46.45 | roxy_ | How can I reload a kernel module ? |
| 08:46.57 | blondie | karsten: probably welsh |
| 08:46.58 | karsten | roxy_: rmmod module; modprobe module |
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| 08:47.38 | raf256 | Shadur_: modprobe nvidia do work |
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| 08:49.24 | raf256 | any idea? modprobe nvidia works, but when I start GDM then X reports error - cant load module nvidia, module does not exist |
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| 08:49.28 | kioto | hi all |
| 08:50.21 | pumpkin0 | raf256: X talks about the nvidia X-driver, you talk about the nvidia kernel module. Both work with the same hardware, but tha'ts about it ... |
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| 08:51.20 | yage | noshadow, not working, i have 2 interfaces on the same phisical network, i just need to emulate a router |
| 08:51.45 | yage | FORWARDING is ACCEPT, ip_forward is set to 1, routing is ok, but i don't ping from a class C to the other |
| 08:52.01 | raf256 | pumpkin0: how can I check does given X-driver "module" exist? |
| 08:52.05 | noshadow | yage: what does your routing table look like? |
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| 08:52.34 | pumpkin0 | yage: creating a loop in a physical network is a bad idea ... most of the time |
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| 08:52.45 | yage | it's not a loop |
| 08:53.01 | roxy_ | karsten: thanks |
| 08:53.07 | noshadow | yage: you have two network cards for the two interfaces or only one? |
| 08:53.11 | yage | i have 2 class C networks on 2 network interfaces (on the same phisical test network) |
| 08:53.15 | pumpkin0 | raf256: Xorg 6.9/7 ? go to /usr/X11R6/ and try a find. |
| 08:53.25 | raf256 | pumpkin0: Xorg 7 |
| 08:53.27 | yage | noshadow, should i use a single interface? |
| 08:53.41 | noshadow | yage: no, two should work like a charm, one I do not know. |
| 08:54.06 | yage | noshadow, i have two, don't know whats wrong |
| 08:54.08 | raf256 | pumpkin0: I do have an lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so there |
| 08:54.15 | noshadow | yage: I'd suggest some tcpdump'ing to see what is happening. That's better than long thinking about it. |
| 08:54.29 | pumpkin0 | raf256: OK. That should be readable ? |
| 08:55.06 | raf256 | pumpkin0: I just delete them (.so and .o) to check will they be recreted by nvidia installer. but still, what about the missing GLX and MISC? |
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| 08:55.12 | raden | route add -net 192.56.76.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 <<< when i do that next time i reboot its gone what do i have todo to save that soo that route is always there ? |
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| 08:55.37 | pumpkin0 | raf256: same thing. They are installed by a Xorg-module via apt. |
| 08:56.25 | noshadow | raden: add it to some script, like in /etc/init.d/networking or your own script run after that. or make sure ifup sets the route correctly. |
| 08:56.52 | raf256 | pumpkin0: they where recreated by installer, but still Xorg can not laod them, wtf |
| 08:57.14 | pumpkin0 | have you mixed xorg 6.9 and 7.0 ? |
| 08:58.03 | rvgate2 | everytime i rty to play a sound using rythmbox, it gives me 2 errors: #1 OSS Device "/dev/dsp" is already in use in another location, and #2 Could not pause playback. I just booted into sarge with gnome, and wanted to startup some stream music for a good start of the day. |
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| 08:59.24 | raf256 | pumpkin0: I hope not |
| 08:59.51 | liable | rvgate2: lsof /dev/dsp prolly need to kill esd i would guess |
| 08:59.58 | yage | noshadow, ok, found the problem, there was an avaya with the same ip, ethereal rocks :) |
| 09:00.00 | pumpkin0 | raf256: can you upload your xorg-config and xorg-log somewhere ? |
| 09:00.01 | raf256 | pumpkin0: perhpas I should reinstall |
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| 09:00.36 | pumpkin0 | deinstalling xorg (... i fact ALL x-servers) and reinstalling xorg may be enough |
| 09:00.42 | blondie | phatmonkey: your dns is broken |
| 09:00.58 | rvgate2 | liable, that worked, any ideas on how that could happen on startup? |
| 09:01.00 | raden | nite all |
| 09:01.22 | phatmonkey | blondie: what hostmask are you seeing |
| 09:01.28 | blondie | 150.121.2.81.in-addr.arpa |
| 09:01.34 | liable | rvgate2: not really, look in your gnome sound menu thing. i dont use gnome so i am not to sure |
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| 09:01.45 | phatmonkey | bah, I set up the reverse dns yesterday, it's obviously not picking it up |
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| 09:04.32 | eleftherios | I have been given a Etch dedicated server which was upgraded from Woody although I was supposed to get a vanilla Etch installation. I have installed kernel-image-2.6-k7 and Grub does not boot the 2.6 kernel as it reports it can not find the file. Last night we double checked here that the kernels exist. Does anyone by any chance have any pointers for a Woody to Etch kernel upgrade situation? (I have read the official release notes for upgra |
| 09:04.32 | eleftherios | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:05.14 | eleftherios | note that 2.6 kernel that was in the system booted fine |
| 09:05.17 | raf256` | what in the hell |
| 09:05.22 | raf256` | perhaps I should reinstall Xorg |
| 09:05.28 | liable | eleftherios: can you paste your menu.lst and ls /boot? |
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| 09:05.38 | noshadow | eleftherios: is the correct file listed in /boot/grub/menu.lst ? sometimes upgrade-grub helps |
| 09:05.40 | raf256` | what can I apt-get --reinstall install to be shure to have entire Xorg and related things in 7 version |
| 09:05.58 | liable | raf256`: xorg is the meta package now |
| 09:06.08 | raf256` | well reinstall xorg didnt help |
| 09:06.15 | raf256` | it still do not work! |
| 09:06.24 | rvgate2 | where is the standard debian background being stored? |
| 09:06.37 | eleftherios | liable, I will paste them, one sec. please |
| 09:06.48 | noshadow | rvgate2: what do you mean by "standard Debian background"? |
| 09:06.54 | liable | rvgate2: background for what? |
| 09:06.58 | rvgate2 | gnome |
| 09:07.38 | liable | desktop background? |
| 09:07.43 | rvgate2 | yes |
| 09:07.47 | eleftherios | noshadow, I have run update-grub many times. We were troubleshooting in here for hours last night |
| 09:07.47 | kioto | if i don't say wrong, gnope is growing in this last series |
| 09:07.56 | kioto | gnope as gnome |
| 09:08.26 | f00li5h | hey, i'm just wondering about this gnupg thing, are there many packages in the tree that /are/ signed? |
| 09:08.45 | karsten | rvgate2: /usr/share/<something> |
| 09:08.47 | noshadow | eleftherios: can you test i grub finds the file when you give it to it directly? perhaps its disk mapping does not fit and it is trying the wrong disk |
| 09:08.52 | raf256 | where do I set up that X uses 3 retries to startup? |
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| 09:10.23 | liable | hrm, can you cat a file to like your mouse paste thingo? |
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| 09:10.56 | Azertyuuu | hey all, does anyone know a command to remove everything of VMWare Workstation ? I Tried apt-get remove vmware , no luck |
| 09:11.04 | liable | buffer i guess is the word i was looking for :P |
| 09:11.07 | sep | Azertyuuu, dpkg -P packagename |
| 09:11.30 | blondie | Azertyuuu: how did you install it? |
| 09:11.32 | raf256 | ok I found the problem |
| 09:11.35 | roxy_ | I don't have a /dev/video0 file, what was supposed to built it ? |
| 09:11.44 | eleftherios | liable, ls -l / & ls -l /boot/ are there: http://pastebin.ca/68938. menu.lst is here: http://pastebin.ca/68939. /etc/fstab is here: http://pastebin.ca/68940 |
| 09:11.48 | raf256 | nvidia installer do not create "nvidia". I was mistaken, the driver that is present is "nv" |
| 09:11.50 | roxy_ | I get an error using v4l-conf |
| 09:12.11 | Azertyuuu | blondie: by compliling |
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| 09:12.26 | liable | eleftherios: looking |
| 09:12.35 | eleftherios | liable, a million thanks |
| 09:12.41 | liable | roxy_: what the device? |
| 09:12.51 | blondie | Azertyuuu: apt-get remove will only uninstall programs installed using apt-get install |
| 09:13.02 | Azertyuuu | ah |
| 09:13.05 | sep | Azertyuuu, if you didnt install it by package you cant remove it by package, |
| 09:13.05 | blondie | Azertyuuu: you'd need to read the docs; maybe you could do "make uninstall" |
| 09:13.11 | liable | pastebin adresses with dots get me evry time :P |
| 09:13.15 | roxy_ | liable: webcam |
| 09:13.20 | sep | Azertyuuu, go whereever you did make install and try make uninstall or read the makefile |
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| 09:14.18 | liable | roxy_: whats dmesg say when you plug it in? |
| 09:14.36 | blondie | some mknod-ing maybe required |
| 09:14.39 | raf256 | omfg, nvidia installer is slooown when runned via strace |
| 09:14.54 | knight3 | hey guys trying to install debian but it keeps locking up when it gets to Loading module 'sd_mod' for 'SCSI disk support' ???? |
| 09:15.11 | knight3 | is there a boot option i can specify to get past this |
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| 09:15.36 | Azertyuuu | sep: actually i don't want to fully remove it , my problem is that I get this error in VMWare: "Unable to change virtual machine power state: Failed to connect to peer process." |
| 09:15.56 | liable | blondie: i can remove stuff with aptitude that i have installed with dpkg. |
| 09:15.58 | raf256 | anyone uses automount? it seem to not work here. When executed it tries to unmount /tmp.. what the fuck? |
| 09:16.00 | f00li5h | Azertyuuu: is ther a daemon you neede to restart? |
| 09:16.04 | pumpkin0 | eleftherios: does this config boot at all ? |
| 09:16.05 | roxy_ | liable: thanks, I found I am having pwc problem |
| 09:16.12 | liable | pwc? |
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| 09:16.30 | rue_mohr | hello, anyone awake |
| 09:16.31 | Azertyuuu | Google says that I must be root , but it won't start as root in terminal |
| 09:16.48 | raf256 | rue_mohr: no, all ~&00 ppl here are sleaping |
| 09:16.48 | eleftherios | pumpkin0, yes the 2.4 kernel boots apparently |
| 09:16.56 | rue_mohr | you log in as a regular user and 'su' to root |
| 09:16.58 | raf256 | * ~700 |
| 09:17.07 | f00li5h | Azertyuuu: are you doing /etc/init.d/vmware restart? |
| 09:17.26 | pumpkin0 | eleftherios: why are you using all these initrd's ? |
| 09:17.27 | rue_mohr | dynamic mmap ran out of room, I'd tried setting the cache limit, but its not working |
| 09:17.34 | roxy_ | liable: v4l kernel module for logitech quickcam notebooks pro, I am trying to use it but got a lot of problems. |
| 09:17.35 | rue_mohr | solutions |
| 09:17.37 | rue_mohr | ? |
| 09:17.37 | liable | eleftherios: what kind of controller/drive is it ?? |
| 09:17.53 | eleftherios | pumpkin0, I only have remote access to the server so when I rebooted it wouldn't come up. The tech stuff that rebooted told me that the 2.4 kernel boots while for the rest grub would report file not found. |
| 09:18.03 | eleftherios | liable, it is not a SATA drive, I have confirmed that |
| 09:18.04 | pumpkin0 | initrd /initrd.img-2.6.15-1-k7 => initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-k7 ? |
| 09:18.19 | raf256 | how to move all files (but not dirs) into foo/ ? |
| 09:18.24 | eleftherios | pumpkin0, hm |
| 09:18.32 | eleftherios | pumpkin0, what is that exactly? |
| 09:18.51 | pumpkin0 | or remove the initrd alltogether and have a try. |
| 09:18.52 | rue_mohr | robot tell rue_mohr about dynamic mmap ran out of room |
| 09:19.01 | Azertyuuu | f00li5h: i tried your idea |
| 09:19.06 | Azertyuuu | no help |
| 09:19.06 | liable | eleftherios: whats the controller? |
| 09:19.28 | eleftherios | pumpkin0, Debian scripts have added the initrd lines. All Debian built kernels require initrd as far as I know |
| 09:19.34 | rue_mohr | apt tell rue_mohr about dynamic mmap ran out of room |
| 09:19.39 | eleftherios | pumpkin0, I have not added any initrd lines manually |
| 09:20.06 | eleftherios | liable, all I know is that it is not SATA and lspci reports: 0000:00:0f.0 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 09:20.09 | rue_mohr | damnit >:| |
| 09:20.11 | pumpkin0 | eleftherios: no, you don't really need initrd. You may use it to boot from complex controllers/setups ... |
| 09:20.43 | eleftherios | pumpkin0, ok but it is Debian that put all the initrd lines there...what should I remove and why? I am lost.. |
| 09:21.09 | pumpkin0 | comment out everything that starts with initrd and try a reboot |
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| 09:21.42 | pumpkin0 | eleftherios: http://pastebin.ca/68951 |
| 09:21.43 | eleftherios | pumpkin0, could you please exmplain what this will fix? |
| 09:21.50 | rue_mohr | somebody know |
| 09:21.52 | rue_mohr | s |
| 09:22.00 | rue_mohr | I cant upgrade apt till I get this |
| 09:22.04 | rue_mohr | rrrr |
| 09:22.04 | pumpkin0 | eleftherios: grub will stop searching for a initrd-file that it cannot find anyway ... |
| 09:22.42 | knight3 | how do i start debian install with the 2.4 kernal option |
| 09:22.50 | raf256 | what is good for small, static (no CGI,SSI,PHP) chrooted, secure webserwer? |
| 09:23.03 | pumpkin0 | raf256: thttp |
| 09:23.12 | raf256 | pumpkin0: do you use it? |
| 09:23.22 | icwiener_ | knight3: F3 at install prompt-> there is a list |
| 09:23.22 | knight3 | anyone? |
| 09:23.26 | eleftherios | pumpkin0, why can it not find it? The initrd files exist... |
| 09:23.30 | pumpkin0 | raf256: used it, then upgraded the server ... |
| 09:23.40 | raf256 | thttp is not in apt-get |
| 09:23.43 | knight3 | ya i know but the writing is half of the screen cant read the rite command |
| 09:24.01 | icwiener_ | knight3: don't actually know if 2.4 is still there... |
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| 09:24.30 | knight3 | hmm im trying to get installed but i keep lockin up on the sata module i think i got past it before by booting the di4 kernal |
| 09:24.37 | knight3 | 2.4* |
| 09:24.38 | pumpkin0 | raf256: http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/ (got it in my aptitude, but i don't know where it comes from... |
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| 09:25.19 | raf256 | pumpkin0: found it, it is as thttpd |
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| 09:25.23 | Lamperi | its thttpd |
| 09:25.30 | Lamperi | oh, old |
| 09:26.10 | pumpkin0 | Lamperi: it des that it is supposed to do, and worked fine on my 133MHz Xscale, 32 MB RAM mini-server ... |
| 09:26.43 | eleftherios | pumpkin0, could you please explain why you think grub can not find the initrd files (which do exist under /boot/)? |
| 09:27.33 | pumpkin0 | eleftherios: i think the /boot-partition is not mounted. You may see something from a dir stored on /dev/hda2. |
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| 09:28.09 | pumpkin0 | eleftherios: do a cat /proc/mounts |
| 09:29.26 | eleftherios | pumpkin0, /dev/root / ext3 rw 0 0, proc /proc proc rw 0 0, tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0, devpts /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0, /dev/hda1 /boot ext3 rw 0 0, usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs rw 0 0 (in comma seperated lines) |
| 09:29.51 | knight3 | yay fixed it boot option was linux26 |
| 09:29.59 | eleftherios | pumpkin0, if boot partition is not mounted then it would not boot the 2.4 kernel either, it also lives under /boot |
| 09:30.23 | pumpkin0 | eleftherios: hrm .. |
| 09:30.38 | icwiener_ | linux26 boots the 2.6 kernel. You wanted to boot the 2.4 |
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| 09:30.51 | raf256 | I hate damn C coders |
| 09:30.57 | knight3 | yea i said i though it was 2.4 wasnt sure tho |
| 09:30.58 | raf256 | thoes fulls :[ |
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| 09:31.13 | raf256 | 99% of exploits in linux world are stupid C buffer overflows apparently |
| 09:31.17 | icwiener_ | knight3: ok, fine. Have fun thou. :) |
| 09:31.38 | knight3 | hehe i will |
| 09:31.50 | knight3 | im converting from centos to debian hopefully it will be better |
| 09:32.42 | icwiener_ | knight3: Don't expect a fairminded opinion here. ;) |
| 09:33.10 | knight3 | lol |
| 09:35.02 | raf256 | I found solution to the nvidia problem |
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| 09:35.18 | raf256 | apparently nvidia installs its driver into /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o |
| 09:35.38 | raf256 | while X searches for the driver in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ |
| 09:35.42 | ktwilight | hmm... |
| 09:35.48 | ktwilight | which xorg are you using raf256? |
| 09:35.49 | raf256 | how to fix that? is it a bug? or should I change a patch in xorg.conf? |
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| 09:36.03 | raf256 | ktwilight: juts moved to 7 (from 6.9) that caused the problem |
| 09:36.08 | ktwilight | hmm.. |
| 09:36.18 | ktwilight | interesting. i guess i've missed that :/ |
| 09:36.27 | ktwilight | have you tried changing the path? |
| 09:36.43 | ktwilight | if it works, file a bug! :) |
| 09:37.18 | themolester | i am looking for a proxy server which can be installed as non-root on nix... would anyone be able to point me in a direction? |
| 09:37.30 | raf256 | ktwilight: you are a Xorg devel / debian devel? |
| 09:37.36 | ktwilight | i'm a noob :) |
| 09:37.59 | raf256 | where can I setup the patch? |
| 09:38.03 | ktwilight | and i've upgraded to 7 from 6.9, had the same problem. but i just used the official installer anywayz |
| 09:38.06 | raf256 | like can I set in xorg.conf where to look for files |
| 09:38.08 | ktwilight | no idea, sorry :/ |
| 09:38.21 | ktwilight | try a symlink... |
| 09:38.22 | ktwilight | that may work |
| 09:38.23 | raf256 | anyone? |
| 09:38.31 | ktwilight | at least you won't break xorg. |
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| 09:40.01 | Trewas | raf256: bug #370074 is about the same issue, not that it will help you... either copy the module by hand to the right place or change the path in xorg.conf, or maybe nvidia has already updated the installer (or the debian installer package for it) to use the correct path |
| 09:40.17 | pumpkin0 | eleftherios: your initrd-image is 5.5 MB big and the default maximal size for a initrd-img is 4MB. Did you recompile the kernel to make sure the initrd fits ? |
| 09:40.21 | raf256 | damn Nvidia Inc. fuckers |
| 09:40.49 | Trewas | raf256: well it was debian who changed ye olde standard paths :) |
| 09:40.53 | pumpkin0 | raf256: no blamer-like actions in here ... |
| 09:41.14 | raf256 | Trewas: they should release the sources alraedy |
| 09:42.32 | Trewas | raf256: actually they release "enough" sources so that bug can be fixed, and I can understand why they don't release the complete sources |
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| 09:46.20 | f00li5h | my, that was silly |
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| 09:59.44 | liable | eleftherios: sorry, got side tracked. whats the actuall boot error? cant find root fs or ?? |
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| 10:01.43 | whaq | somebody, please rotate me!! |
| 10:01.47 | whaq | sorry, backup nightmare. |
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| 10:05.15 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:05.15 | dpkg | methinks qotd97 is [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
| 10:06.47 | rhalff | hi any of you know a webbased telnet client, where the server makes the connection ? so not a client based app.. |
| 10:07.10 | rhalff | thy hackers must know something.. :p |
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| 10:07.42 | yang | which is an easy solution for doing remote backups? |
| 10:07.55 | fireba11 | yang: what's a remote backup for you ? |
| 10:08.06 | yang | fireba11: backup from remote servers |
| 10:08.34 | fireba11 | yang: is there any differenct to backing up a local server ?? |
| 10:08.35 | rhalff | yang, backup ninja is very lightweight, I kinda like it. not very robust though, more a headstart for doing your own thing. |
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| 10:09.39 | anabain_ | can I pipe the wordlist of a linux system dictionary in order to have a list of words ordered alphabetically but starting from the end of the word? |
| 10:09.59 | yang | rhalff: also for getting files over ftp from remote server? |
| 10:10.16 | rhalff | yang, http://dev.riseup.net/backupninja/ , well sftp is better I think :) |
| 10:10.21 | fireba11 | yang: you're not seriously tring to do that via FTP do you ? |
| 10:10.48 | yang | fireba11: why not? |
| 10:10.52 | fireba11 | yang try bacula .. you can encrypt all communication with it |
| 10:11.00 | fireba11 | yang plain text passwords |
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| 10:12.10 | meppl | guten morgen |
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| 10:13.12 | liable | roxy_: so, does dmesg say anything about it? |
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| 10:15.27 | anabain_ | how can I obtain the value of en environment variable? |
| 10:15.52 | Shadur_ | anabain_: Define "obtain" ? |
| 10:15.56 | pumpkin0 | anabain_: echo $<nema-of-var> |
| 10:16.21 | anabain_ | pumpkin0, I made this but returns nothing |
| 10:16.30 | anabain_ | that means that the variable is not set? |
| 10:16.37 | pumpkin0 | yupp |
| 10:16.41 | anabain_ | ok |
| 10:16.53 | pumpkin0 | or empty. |
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| 10:18.20 | possie | when i try to dd from my tape device (/dev/st0 or /dev/nst0) i get the message "Cannot allocate memory" which memory is it talking about? i have plenty of main memory left |
| 10:19.24 | pumpkin0 | possie: have a look at dmesg. It should be the driver ... |
| 10:24.11 | roxy_ | liable: http://rafb.net/paste/results/O73RT582.html |
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| 10:25.06 | pumpkin0 | roxy_: the kernel-headers used for compiling that modules differ a lot from your actuel kernel. |
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| 10:25.37 | roxy_ | pumpkin0: I compiled that module with the kernel I am using now |
| 10:25.54 | pumpkin0 | roxy_: did you use the same compiler ? |
| 10:26.29 | liable | roxy_: oh, theres a pwc-modules package? |
| 10:26.53 | liable | roxy_: have you checked for bugs against it? |
| 10:26.56 | roxy_ | pumpkin0: I got a "out of the box" debian testing. The module comes from v4l |
| 10:27.12 | roxy_ | liable: I didn't use pwc-sources package |
| 10:27.47 | roxy_ | I had trouble, and on #v4l they told me it was outdated |
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| 10:27.50 | roxy_ | so I download there source tree, make, make install then loaded the modules |
| 10:27.59 | liable | roxy_: so where does that pwc stuff come from? is that in the standard kernel? |
| 10:28.04 | liable | ah |
| 10:28.35 | liable | roxy_: i guess they would be best to help with that problem then |
| 10:28.46 | roxy_ | when I "modprobe pwd" I got an errror that say to have a look at dmesg |
| 10:29.15 | liable | roxy_: have you done depmod -a? |
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| 10:29.21 | pumpkin0 | roxy_: and you are sure the kernel-header you have installed are really, really from the kernel you are using right now ? |
| 10:30.09 | roxy_ | pumpkin0: yes, debian testing |
| 10:30.39 | roxy_ | it is my home main machine, I don't do funny thing with it |
| 10:30.39 | Dewi | roxy_: debian testing is not a kernel |
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| 10:31.23 | roxy_ | Dewi: the kernel I got doing aptitude dist-install using debian testing |
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| 10:31.38 | Dewi | roxy_: changes every couple of months |
| 10:31.50 | pumpkin0 | roxy_: there are at least 4 different kernels in the testing-repos right now. |
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| 10:33.02 | roxy_ | liable: I am talking with the #v4l guys, they've been very helpfull. Once I downloaded v4l-dvb source, is there a debian way to install it, or just make make install modprobe is ok ? |
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| 10:34.29 | roxy_ | liable: I have done depmod -a, but it doesn't changes anything |
| 10:34.30 | liable | roxy_: with a standard source, make, make install is the normal way |
| 10:38.46 | roxy_ | pumpkin0: but aptitude wouldn't be mean to the point of getting different kernel-header / kernel , would it ? |
| 10:40.28 | liable | roxy_: unload the modules and modprobe -f them |
| 10:40.35 | liable | see what it saya then |
| 10:41.01 | pumpkin0 | roxy_: the pointers for the kernels may change with every apt-get update. |
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| 10:42.21 | pumpkin0 | roxy_: do: "uname -a" and compare to "ls -la /usr/src/linux" |
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| 10:44.31 | SinnerG | how do I change the language? atm it's german and I want it to be in english |
| 10:45.05 | rhalff | what was that magic script to enable a new init.d script ? |
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| 10:45.18 | pumpkin0 | SinnerG: all progs are in german ?where did you download your version of debian ? |
| 10:45.33 | roxy_ | liable: segmentation fault |
| 10:45.47 | loiic | does anyone know what are the file /etc/group- and /etc/shadow- ? note the "-" |
| 10:45.50 | SinnerG | pumpkin0: Its a server I hire... its located in germany ;) |
| 10:45.55 | SinnerG | so default language : german :p |
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| 10:46.27 | pumpkin0 | SinnerG: tough luck. you have to reinstall that beast to get it in english. |
| 10:46.32 | liable | roxy_: eww |
| 10:46.37 | roxy_ | pumpkin0: same |
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| 10:47.19 | roxy_ | liable: it is module related, isn't ? |
| 10:47.42 | SinnerG | pumpkin0: it is possible.. :P |
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| 10:47.49 | SinnerG | just found it out : dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:47.50 | SinnerG | :) |
| 10:48.13 | liable | roxy_: i would try the next oldest version (or the stable one if you dont have it now) |
| 10:49.03 | roxy_ | liable: the problem is that the other one I got doesn't work with my webcam |
| 10:49.52 | roxy_ | liable: now when I try "modprobe pwc" it just hangs ... |
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| 10:51.13 | liable | roxy_: hrm, ^c |
| 10:53.54 | Ferret | loiic: Backups. |
| 10:54.15 | loiic | Ferret: thanks, no worries if i delete, correct? |
| 10:54.54 | Ferret | loiic: Why would you want to? |
| 10:55.12 | roxy_ | liable: well, pwc is loaded now |
| 10:55.48 | loiic | Ferret: i dont like keeping old version of files |
| 10:56.12 | roxy_ | liable: this is my dmesg : http://rafb.net/paste/results/4l9vrA57.html |
| 10:56.23 | roxy_ | I don't understand a word |
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| 10:56.59 | nuke | help..i cant seem to change my screen resolution |
| 10:57.23 | Ferret | loiic: Sorry, I swear you just said "I don't like having a backup". |
| 10:57.29 | nuke | i changed t with krand but it keeps dropping me to 1280 resultion when i asked for 1024 |
| 10:57.32 | pumpkin0 | rox: you are knee deep in shit and should reboot NOW |
| 10:58.10 | roxy_ | pumpkin0: you mean me ? |
| 10:58.12 | rox | pumpkin0: how could you know that? |
| 10:58.16 | pumpkin0 | nuke: force it by manualy changing the xorg-config ? |
| 10:58.39 | loiic | Ferret: hehe no backup and old version of files is different, a backup file is when i decide to save a file, an old version is when the system decide for me |
| 10:58.40 | pumpkin0 | rox: soory i wanted to call roxy_, not you. |
| 10:58.47 | blondie | Ferret! |
| 10:58.52 | roxy_ | pumpkin0: why ? |
| 10:58.53 | rox | pumpkin0: ok |
| 10:58.55 | Ferret | *wiggles* |
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| 10:59.01 | blondie | Ferret: pm o.o |
| 10:59.45 | pumpkin0 | roxy_: that's a kernel-Oops. That's linux equivalent of a BSOD. |
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| 11:01.17 | roxy_ | pumpkin0: is it caused by the pwc or videodev module ? can I try to get more information to get a proper bug report to the v4l people ? |
| 11:01.18 | Awesome-o2000 | oops |
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| 11:01.31 | k31th | Out of interest where do you guys normally keep websites to on a box ? |
| 11:01.43 | blondie | /var/www? |
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| 11:02.03 | formorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.11 | pumpkin0 | roxy_: just give them the whole dmesg, kernel version and driver-version, that should be enough. |
| 11:03.17 | pumpkin0 | k31th: /media/cdrom (try to hack that one ... ) |
| 11:03.22 | roxy_ | pumpkin0: thanks |
| 11:03.26 | SinnerG | how can I 'select' all ips using the 1.1.1.1/32 way? |
| 11:05.14 | anabain_ | I'm using this: sort -r /usr/share/dict/words | grep string , but I want to get only word endings, not the string in the middle of the word. How can I get this? |
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| 11:06.10 | k31th | pumpkin0: lmao |
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| 11:07.44 | du_ | hi all i have a problem with ppp.i installed it but ifconfig says that is not running.ppp is in init.d too.. |
| 11:08.12 | du_ | i need it because i have to share adsl with nokia 6630 |
| 11:08.23 | du_ | what can i do to start ppp correctly? |
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| 11:09.35 | nuke_ | whatdo i have to dpkg-reconfigure to be able to set my monitor model and the refresh rates etc? right now my scfreen is fixed at 60hz/generic monitor |
| 11:09.45 | msn | how in the world do I force httrack not to make any cache |
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| 11:13.26 | blondie | nuke_: what version of debian? |
| 11:13.58 | nuke_ | etch/xorg/kde |
| 11:14.39 | blondie | you might need to edit xorg.conf manually... it used to be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but the monitor stuff has been removed from there |
| 11:14.53 | nuke_ | i did xserver-xorg but it didnt ask me monitor model and refresh rates it can support |
| 11:15.03 | nuke_ | k... |
| 11:15.16 | blondie | I don't know why it was removed or where it went |
| 11:15.54 | nuke_ | only place i see for refresh rates is the horizsync and vertrefresh but changing that doesnt give me any new otpions |
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| 11:16.19 | blondie | they are the refresh rates yes |
| 11:16.31 | blondie | is that in xorg.conf? |
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| 11:16.36 | nuke_ | yup |
| 11:16.58 | nuke_ | i changed itt o 30-54/50-160 and restarted X but i still get only the 61hz option |
| 11:17.33 | blondie | what I do (maybe a bad idea, I don't know) when using a CRT is to set the frequency to just "85" forcing it to use 85Hz |
| 11:17.48 | pumpkin0 | nuke: what happens f you just remove the vert and hor lines from the xorg-confg and add the dpms-option ? |
| 11:18.13 | nuke_ | hm..there is already a DPMS option in there also |
| 11:18.38 | du_ | how can i start ppp?? |
| 11:18.39 | pumpkin0 | rmove the vert and hor-lines ... |
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| 11:18.53 | nuke_ | k |
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| 11:21.48 | nuke__ | okie..removing the refresh lines worked...whats DPMS? |
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| 11:22.24 | threw | hello ! |
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| 11:23.24 | threw | thanx pumpkin0, your solution in order to dont use initrd image work fine ! :o |
| 11:23.30 | pumpkin0 | nuke__ the TFT/monitor tells the gfx-card via DPMS "hey i can do x,y Pixel at z Hz". Linux just picks the highest Hz it can fint for the resolution you want ... |
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| 11:24.21 | pumpkin0 | threw: *g* i hope so. |
| 11:24.52 | nuke__ | okie...now if i can only figure out why my screen is drooping to one side |
| 11:25.01 | nuke__ | thkss,be back with more problems in a while :p |
| 11:25.26 | threw | pumpkin0: and maybe uts magic, but my computer goes *2 faster than wioth initrd image.... |
| 11:25.31 | threw | *its magic |
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| 11:25.59 | pumpkin0 | threw: maybe the HD-DMA-transfermode is working now ? |
| 11:26.15 | threw | euh.... what it is ? :p |
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| 11:28.04 | pumpkin0 | threw: try "cat /proc/ide/hda/settings" (hdc, hdX). there are DMA and PIO-modus on HDs. PIO = 10MB/s and maximal CPUload while transfering data from/to HD. DMA = 60-80MB/s and ~0 CPU load while transfering data. |
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| 11:29.41 | threw | erf ok i understand know why it works better :o |
| 11:31.21 | threw | and could you say please how to get and modify the list of the modules loaded at boot time ? because now, it doesnt succes at finding module for my IDE drive... |
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| 11:32.01 | pumpkin0 | did you add the module to /etc/modules ? |
| 11:32.39 | threw | erf ok, thanx one more time :p |
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| 11:37.34 | ktwilight | in sarge, isn' there a awy to append a group into a user? |
| 11:37.43 | ktwilight | like usermod -a -G group user |
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| 11:38.13 | ktwilight | it returns an invalid option :/ |
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| 11:43.43 | peppo | how do I force a re-install of a package? |
| 11:43.46 | peppo | with apt-get |
| 11:44.13 | pumpkin0 | apt-get install --reinstall <name> |
| 11:44.26 | peppo | danke schöhn! |
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| 11:50.49 | errt | hello |
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| 11:51.41 | du_ | anyone can help me? |
| 11:51.52 | pumpkin0 | depends on your problem ... |
| 11:51.56 | du_ | i installed ppp but ifconfig doesen't show me it |
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| 11:52.19 | du_ | it shows me only eth0 and lo |
| 11:52.22 | errt | where do I find drives "/dev/sda0 /dev/hba etc" /etc/fstab is not showing them |
| 11:52.29 | eleftherios | liable, sorry for the delay (I went out grocery shopping). I can not see the actual error as I only have remote access to the machine. The guy who does the reboots says the error is 'it can't locate the file'. I asked for the exact error message and he won't say. Terrible support. |
| 11:52.44 | du_ | i nedd ppp to share adsl connection with nokia 6630 |
| 11:53.02 | pumpkin0 | did you try starting pppd withsomething like this : /usr/sbin/pppd file /etc/ppp/options.codan call congo |
| 11:53.15 | du_ | pumpkin0, yes it give me an error |
| 11:53.31 | pumpkin0 | eleftherios: did you see this post: your initrd-image is 5.5 MB big and the default maximal size for a initrd-img is 4MB. Did you recompile the kernel to make sure the initrd fits ? |
| 11:53.38 | pumpkin0 | du_: which one ? |
| 11:53.51 | du_ | pumpkin0, if i type pppd.. |
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| 11:54.01 | Jemt | Morning, folks :) |
| 11:54.02 | du_ | pumpkin0, pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself |
| 11:54.02 | du_ | pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 11:54.05 | liable | eleftherios: check bts for that kernel, theres a closed critical bug that might give a clue or two. |
| 11:54.38 | Jemt | Is it possible to get Debian to auto mount USB Flash keys ? It mounts my external USB HDD automatically, but not the USB flash drive. |
| 11:54.54 | pumpkin0 | du_: you can tell pppd to connect w/o ever asking for any id/password. |
| 11:55.17 | du_ | pumpkin0, how i do ti? |
| 11:55.18 | du_ | it? |
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| 11:55.42 | tarzeau | is there really no gcc4 4.1 backport for sarge? |
| 11:55.58 | du_ | pumpkin0, inserting noauth string in /etc/ppp/options? i already tried it.. |
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| 11:56.51 | Jemt | Btw - I can't get it mounted using 'mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usb' either - it complains about 'mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,..' |
| 11:56.53 | errt | hello please help me, i can not find scsi drives |
| 11:56.58 | errt | where do I find drives "/dev/sda0 /dev/hba etc" /etc/fstab is not showing them |
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| 11:58.38 | du_ | hey man..please someone help me to start ppp |
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| 11:59.31 | Jemt | Can anyone help me with the mount issue ? |
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| 11:59.47 | azeem | Jemt: did you run cfdisk on /dev/sdb? |
| 11:59.53 | azeem | does it show any partitions? |
| 12:00.30 | Jemt | azeem: Nope, don't know what it is - but I'll check out the 'man'. And yes, /dev/sdb1 is available |
| 12:01.12 | Jemt | azeem: Don't think I need cfdisk in this case :) |
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| 12:05.20 | Jemt | Anyone ? |
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| 12:06.17 | etchmen | hello from NZ |
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| 12:06.46 | etchmen | moin |
| 12:06.52 | etchmen | he he |
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| 12:07.35 | MoDaX | Jemt: does gnome recognize it? |
| 12:08.03 | Jemt | MoDaX: The USB Flash Key? No - it is not mounted - and I can't mounted manually either. |
| 12:08.18 | Jemt | MoDaX: But my USB HDD is mounted automatically in Gnome (2.14.2) |
| 12:09.08 | MoDaX | Jemt: `dmesg` - anything useful in the last lines? |
| 12:09.11 | Jemt | MoDaX: One of the problems, I guess, is that the device changes. Sometimes the USB Key is sda1, sometimes it is sdb1 - so I cannot add it to fstab |
| 12:09.14 | Jemt | MoDaX: Checking |
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| 12:09.43 | MoDaX | Jemt: you do not need to add removable devices to fstab |
| 12:09.45 | Jemt | fatal: invalid media value (0xb9) \n VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1. |
| 12:09.51 | Jemt | MoDaX: Okay |
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| 12:10.16 | MoDaX | Jemt: is your usb flash drive formatted? |
| 12:10.26 | MoDaX | Jemt: or maybe encrypted somehow |
| 12:10.32 | Jemt | MoDaX: Yep - worked fine a few days ago |
| 12:10.38 | Jemt | MoDaX: Nope, formated in Windows |
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| 12:10.50 | Jemt | Using vfat (fat16) I guess |
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| 12:11.34 | MoDaX | Jemt: what if you do pmount /dev/sdb (as simple user)? |
| 12:11.40 | MoDaX | err |
| 12:11.47 | MoDaX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:11.54 | Jemt | MoDaX: Sec :) |
| 12:11.57 | calmar | hi all, with alsa, when I switch some applications the music has some breaks in it. So I better should use OSS, isn 'it? |
| 12:12.22 | DocTomoe | Hi ... I have a problem with my apache2 on dapper (i know, this is ubuntu, but this problem seems to be distribution-independent, and the ubuntu channels are not helpful). Altough all relevant packages are installed, apache2 is not started, even after invoking it with sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start - apache2ctl tells me my config syntax is ok. What can I do? |
| 12:12.24 | MoDaX | calmar: oss is depreciated |
| 12:12.48 | calmar | MoDaX: yet, there are no such music-breaks when I remember properly. sigh.. |
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| 12:13.30 | Jemt | MoDaX: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,...." |
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| 12:14.11 | MoDaX | Jemt: ok, do cfdisk /dev/sda. is there vfat partiton? |
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| 12:14.45 | MoDaX | calmar: are your apps outputting sound directly to alsa? |
| 12:14.53 | MoDaX | calmar: I mean, no arts, esd etc. |
| 12:14.57 | Jemt | MoDaX: It won't mess up my data ? |
| 12:15.03 | MoDaX | Jemt: no |
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| 12:15.07 | Jemt | Ok |
| 12:15.11 | wintix | is it possible to start an x-server without a graphics card? e.g. on a server. |
| 12:15.26 | SerajewelKS | wintix: apt-get install vnc4server |
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| 12:15.28 | calmar | MoDaX: hm. I think so yes. mocp (music player) tries ALSA (it says at least) |
| 12:15.30 | MoDaX | wintix: use vnc |
| 12:15.34 | Jemt | MoDaX: There is a partition, yes |
| 12:15.51 | hareldvd | newbie here, Forgot how to check which awk package I have installed. |
| 12:15.53 | Jemt | MoDaX: "sda1p1 Boot Primary W95 FAT32" |
| 12:16.00 | calmar | another person has the same prob. I think that's normal (obviously then) |
| 12:16.12 | etchmen | vnc works with bluetooth |
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| 12:16.30 | SerajewelKS | hareldvd: `ls -l /etc/alternatives/awk` might give you a clue |
| 12:16.31 | wintix | SerajewelKS, MoDaX: vnc4server works without graphics card? |
| 12:16.37 | MoDaX | wintix: yes |
| 12:16.37 | SerajewelKS | wintix: it should |
| 12:16.48 | Jemt | MoDaX: except that I used 'cfdisk /dev/sda1' (notice '1') |
| 12:17.00 | wintix | thank you, MoDaX, SerajewelKS |
| 12:17.15 | MoDaX | Jemt: hmmm |
| 12:17.20 | SerajewelKS | etchmen: in theory any network protocol will work with bluetooth, if you establish a network link over bluetooth |
| 12:17.35 | MoDaX | Jemt: what if cfdisk /dev/sda ? |
| 12:17.43 | etchmen | just video was a prob |
| 12:17.52 | Jemt | MoDaX: "FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive" |
| 12:18.07 | Jemt | MoDaX: I'm testing the key on a computer running Ubuntu Dapper now |
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| 12:18.21 | Jemt | MoDaX: It works fine - so it is not a defect in the device |
| 12:18.22 | hareldvd | SerajewelKS: Thanks, Got it right now. |
| 12:18.24 | SerajewelKS | etchmen: probably because the video player was using a YUV overlay or some other method of talking directly to the graphics card |
| 12:18.41 | SerajewelKS | etchmen: if you take a screenshot you should see a black box too |
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| 12:18.55 | etchmen | SerajewelKS: vlc would play but with no sound |
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| 12:19.01 | rvgate | Im following this guide on how to install nvidia drivers... altho the nvidia-kernel-common package could not be found... ( http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Methods )... any ideas? |
| 12:19.19 | Jemt | MoDaX: Also both 'vfat' and 'fat' modules are loaded (lsmod) |
| 12:19.24 | SerajewelKS | etchmen: uhm, VNC doesn't do sound... |
| 12:19.36 | MoDaX | Jemt: interesting |
| 12:19.47 | SerajewelKS | rvgate: nvidia-kernel-common is not in testing, you need to pull it from unstable |
| 12:19.48 | etchmen | SerajewelKS: vlc sorry |
| 12:20.10 | SerajewelKS | etchmen: ah, ok |
| 12:20.14 | rvgate | SerajewelKS, you mean its not in stable? (sarge) |
| 12:21.18 | Jemt | MoDaX: Eh, interesting.. Let me just show you the output of dmesg now - sec |
| 12:21.19 | MoDaX | Jemt: you don't have anything /dev/sda related in /etc/fstab, do you? |
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| 12:21.25 | Jemt | MoDaX: Checking |
| 12:21.46 | Jemt | MoDaX: Nope |
| 12:21.51 | MoDaX | Jemt: good |
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| 12:22.14 | mdupont | where is the error log written to when the instance start fails? |
| 12:22.28 | Jemt | MoDaX: http://powerzone.dk/res (dmesg output) |
| 12:22.33 | azeem | mdupont: what is "instance start"? |
| 12:22.42 | mdupont | init.d |
| 12:22.48 | mdupont | i am starting zope |
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| 12:22.56 | azeem | maybe /var/log/daemon.log |
| 12:22.56 | MoDaX | DocTomoe: analize what /etc/init.d/apche2 does and why it may fail |
| 12:22.59 | mdupont | when i start it on fg it fails with lots of mesages |
| 12:23.01 | mdupont | thanks |
| 12:24.32 | Jemt | MoDaX: In the dmesg output, "Vendor: Kingston Model: DataTraveler 2.0 Rev: 4.10" is the device that is causing problems (USB Key) |
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| 12:25.37 | MoDaX | Jemt: I guess the following error has something to do with the failure: "Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 508378384" |
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| 12:26.00 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok - just weird that it works in Ubuntu then |
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| 12:27.32 | MoDaX | Jemt: different kernel might interpret some thing differently (ubuntu's one is heavily patched) |
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| 12:27.57 | MoDaX | Jemt: i think, the problem here is that fat filesystem is too big for you drive |
| 12:28.03 | MoDaX | s/you/your/ |
| 12:28.26 | Jemt | MoDaX: Oh - would a re-partitioning of the device work ? |
| 12:28.35 | Jemt | MoDaX: Oh just a re-format ? |
| 12:28.39 | Jemt | Or even |
| 12:28.48 | possie | is there away to just get everything of a tape? i tried dd if=/dev/tape of=/tmp/tape.dump i get an input/output error but i'm absolutely sure that there is data on this tape |
| 12:28.53 | MoDaX | Jemt: yes, try reformatting first |
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| 12:29.09 | MoDaX | Jemt: if that does not help, try repartioning and reformating |
| 12:29.14 | rvgate | SerajewelKS, i tried grabbing it from unstable, still couldn't find the package |
| 12:29.38 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok - I'll give it a try :) |
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| 12:31.10 | Jemt | MoDaX: Eh, I only got these tools installed: "mkfs mkfs.cramfs mkfs.ext2 mkfs.ext3 mkfs.minix" - what package contains 'mkfs.vfat' ? |
| 12:32.28 | MoDaX | Jemt: install dosfstools |
| 12:32.47 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok, thanks |
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| 12:33.26 | Jemt | MoDaX: Weird - why is 'mkswap' located in that package ? |
| 12:33.38 | Jemt | MoDaX: Not that it matters - just weird I think |
| 12:34.22 | MoDaX | Jemt: mkswap is not there :) |
| 12:34.36 | MoDaX | Jemt: mkswap is in util-linux |
| 12:34.44 | roxy_ | liable: are you still here ? |
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| 12:34.55 | Jemt | MoDaX: But.. it is installed now - and I only fetched and installed dosfstools :) |
| 12:35.03 | nbt | how do i make bluetooth dongle work = |
| 12:35.17 | Jemt | MoDaX: A "hidden" dependency that apt-get dosn't show us ? |
| 12:35.37 | MoDaX | Jemt: believe me. it has been always there. util-linux is essential package :) |
| 12:35.51 | roxy_ | liable: on #v4l they're also telling me that my kernel-header are not the one used to package the kernel |
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| 12:36.17 | Jemt | MoDaX: Hm, really weird. It didn't show up when i did 'mk<tab><tab>' - Oh well - I might have pressed a wrong key or something :) |
| 12:36.51 | Jemt | MoDaX: I'll get back in 10-15 minutes - I haft to backup the content of the key first on another computer :) |
| 12:36.52 | roxy_ | liable: how could that happen and can I repare it using apt-get ? |
| 12:37.12 | MoDaX | Jemt: a number of people have the same problem with kingston flash drives |
| 12:37.25 | Jemt | MoDaX: Oh. Have they mentioned a solution ? |
| 12:38.09 | MoDaX | Jemt: repartioning and reformating |
| 12:38.17 | MoDaX | Jemt: but try only reformating first |
| 12:38.22 | Jemt | MoDaX: Heh, ok :) |
| 12:38.24 | Jemt | MoDaX: Will do |
| 12:39.45 | Jemt | MoDaX: It is somewhat comforting that it seems to be a Kingston problem and not a bad setup - everything else is working great :) |
| 12:41.52 | roxy_ | my linux-kernel-headers and linux-image have different version : http://rafb.net/paste/results/fW3LqQ30.html . How can I repare it ? |
| 12:42.23 | formorer | roxy_: there is no problem |
| 12:43.02 | roxy_ | formorer: well, when I compile a new module, it creates an error |
| 12:43.12 | MoDaX | Jemt: kingston data traveller and debian. all cases seem to be limited to that combination only. strange |
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| 12:43.25 | roxy_ | formorer: http://rafb.net/paste/results/6C8X9Q12.html |
| 12:43.27 | formorer | roxy_: this has nothing to do with the linux-kernel-headers package |
| 12:43.37 | Jemt | MoDaX: Yea, that sure sounds strange |
| 12:44.03 | MoDaX | debian uses almost vanilla linux kernels |
| 12:44.04 | roxy_ | formorer: already 2 peoples told me the problem came from there. What do you think is the problem? |
| 12:44.46 | formorer | linux-image-2.6.15-1-486 2.6.15-8 vs linux-headers-2.6.15-1-486 2.6.15-8 |
| 12:44.50 | formorer | they have the same version |
| 12:45.01 | formorer | so this couldn't be the problem |
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| 12:45.44 | roxy_ | formorer: ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.13+0rc3-2.1 Linux Kernel Headers for development |
| 12:46.04 | formorer | roxy_: this ones have _nothing_ to do with your running kernel |
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| 12:46.45 | roxy_ | formorer: and nothing to do if I compile new module ? |
| 12:46.52 | formorer | correct |
| 12:48.53 | roxy_ | formorer: where is the problem then ? someone on #v4l, who wrote some of it told me to download a new kernel and compile using my /boot/config. Do you say that It wouldn't change anything |
| 12:49.37 | formorer | if may help if its a newer kernel |
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| 12:49.48 | formorer | maybe there is some conflict or broken hardware |
| 12:50.18 | roxy_ | formorer: using a vanilla kernel would create problem for my debian system ? |
| 12:50.19 | MoDaX | Jemt: this thread is very informative: http://www.debianhelp.org/module-pnForum-viewtopic-topic-9814-start-0.html |
| 12:50.25 | formorer | roxy_: no |
| 12:50.38 | Jemt | MoDaX: Formating it didn't work - I'm still receiving the same errors |
| 12:50.41 | Jemt | MoDaX: Checking :) |
| 12:51.24 | MoDaX | Jemt: so you need to wipe out partition table |
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| 12:51.36 | Jemt | MoDaX: Yep |
| 12:51.56 | roxy_ | formorer: I am using 2.6.15 atm, do you think I can download 2.6.17.1 (the last stable kernel) ? |
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| 12:52.51 | Edwin_Quijada | Hi! |
| 12:53.11 | formorer | roxy_: I don't know if you can :) but its running fine here |
| 12:53.22 | Edwin_Quijada | I am installing a kernel2.6 from Sarge moving to etch and now I get this error when it is booting |
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| 12:53.37 | roxy_ | formorer: do I need to get some headers ? |
| 12:53.38 | Edwin_Quijada | Begin:Waitin for root filesystem |
| 12:53.57 | Edwin_Quijada | Somebody has any clue? |
| 12:54.47 | roxy_ | Edwin_Quijada: google, it is a common problem. |
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| 12:54.55 | formorer | roxy_: no, the kernel itself has the headers |
| 12:55.08 | MoDaX | Jemt: and I have a theory why this happends only on debian :) |
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| 12:55.17 | rvgate | how do i completely shutdown X, so i get into console mode only? |
| 12:55.22 | Jemt | MoDaX: Oh? Please share :) |
| 12:55.29 | ics | hi, i noticed a "Desktop Sharing"in kde control center... how do this works ? |
| 12:55.44 | Edwin_Quijada | roxy_: I searched in google but they talk to install udev but my udev is the last 0.093 |
| 12:55.57 | MoDaX | Jemt: I guess other distros do not set kernel config parameter: CONFIG_ACORN_PARTITION_CUMANA=y |
| 12:56.23 | roxy_ | Edwin_Quijada: do you get drop after a long time to the busybox shell ? |
| 12:56.25 | Jemt | MoDaX: Oh, I see - what does that parameter do? |
| 12:56.27 | SinnerG | hmm, anyone know how to set my domain to 'catch all' (aka it responds to whatever.yourdomain.tld) using bind? |
| 12:56.50 | MoDaX | Jemt: another partition table type |
| 12:56.59 | simon23 | rvgate: try STRG+ALT + F1 and then log in as root and type "init 2" enter. |
| 12:56.59 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ah, okay :) |
| 12:57.07 | pipeline | SinnerG: You need a wildcard record. |
| 12:57.11 | MoDaX | Jemt: and now from your dmesg: "sda: [CUMANA/ADFS] sda1<5>sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda" |
| 12:57.12 | MoDaX | :) |
| 12:57.13 | Edwin_Quijada | \roxy I don understand |
| 12:57.20 | simon23 | hi there, i changed my debian etch boot sequence to start the system in init 2 and now I want to start in init 3 again..... but I forgot how to change that back again... can anyone help me please ? |
| 12:57.49 | Edwin_Quijada | roxy_ I have sata disk but sarge named hdg1 and so on |
| 12:58.06 | rvgate | simon23, did nothing... |
| 12:58.08 | MoDaX | Jemt: so kernel misdetects partition table type on these partical flash drives :) |
| 12:58.19 | docwhat | Howdy! Is one of the security.debian.org having issues? The one called "klecker" seems to be missing it's apache config. |
| 12:58.27 | SinnerG | pipeline: how do I add that? |
| 12:58.51 | simon23 | rvgate: did you get to the shell after STRG+ALT+F1 ? |
| 12:58.58 | MoDaX | Jemt: so it's actually kingston problem |
| 12:58.59 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ah, makes sense :) |
| 12:59.00 | rvgate | simon23, yes |
| 12:59.00 | roxy_ | Edwin_Quijada: sorry I can't help much. I got out of it once using busybox. |
| 12:59.07 | Jemt | MoDaX: Good to know :) |
| 12:59.14 | Jemt | MoDaX: You should add that to the post :) |
| 12:59.15 | simon23 | rvgate: and you logged in as root ? |
| 12:59.25 | rvgate | simon23, just as you sayd |
| 12:59.47 | simon23 | rvgate: did you type that command with or without the commata ? |
| 13:00.21 | simon23 | rvgate: try just runlevel then enter. |
| 13:00.40 | rvgate | simon23, whoami gives me root, and i typed: # init 2<enter> |
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| 13:01.09 | simon23 | rvgate: thats right, what does you box say then ? |
| 13:01.15 | Jemt | MoDaX: Hm, bugger - I'm still getting those block errors. The re-partitioning + re-formating didn't help much |
| 13:01.34 | rvgate | simon23, nothing, it just goes to a newline |
| 13:01.56 | simon23 | rvgate: what does your box say when typing #runlevel (enter) |
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| 13:02.13 | MoDaX | Jemt: with cfdisk /dev/sda ? |
| 13:02.16 | rvgate | simon23, N 2 |
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| 13:02.44 | Jemt | MoDaX: /dev/sda dosn't work (which is odd) - I haft to use /dev/sda1 |
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| 13:03.04 | Jemt | MoDaX: I'll give it a try with fdisk |
| 13:03.13 | MoDaX | Jemt: hmm |
| 13:03.30 | SinnerG | <pipeline> SinnerG: You need a wildcard record. => how? |
| 13:03.32 | pipeline | SinnerG: You read the documentation? |
| 13:03.50 | broadcaster | hi! how can i prevent my pc from turning of the network interface when entering acpi sleep state? i know that "halt" does that (param -i) when i turn of the pc. but what does acpid do? i need this to wake up the pc with wol. |
| 13:04.06 | simon23 | rvgate: then you have to kill the Xserver, because you are already in a singleuser state that shouldnt have an xserver running :-) |
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| 13:04.25 | SinnerG | I am now |
| 13:04.27 | simon23 | rvgate: did you have kdm / gdm or xdm running ? |
| 13:04.34 | Jemt | MoDaX: fdisk actually complained about the size too |
| 13:04.45 | MoDaX | Jemt: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=2 |
| 13:04.53 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 13:04.54 | rvgate | simon23, only gdm running |
| 13:05.06 | tarzeau | dpkg bugstats is http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 13:05.07 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
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| 13:05.14 | MoDaX | Jemt: then replug flash drive |
| 13:05.25 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok, I'll give it a try, sec |
| 13:05.26 | simon23 | rvgate: strange... but anyways...type ps -A to get all running processes |
| 13:05.29 | MoDaX | Jemt: and try parititioning again |
| 13:05.38 | calmar | is it possible, that 'alsa' in no included completely in the newer kernel sources? it seems so (e.g. no need to download it from alsa's page anymore, the packages) |
| 13:05.42 | calmar | s/no/now |
| 13:05.45 | simon23 | rvgate: then get the processnumber of the xserver |
| 13:05.57 | rvgate | simon23, ps -A | grep dm, gives me only dm |
| 13:06.16 | rvgate | gdm |
| 13:06.18 | rvgate | sorry |
| 13:06.38 | simon23 | rvgate: you need the process ID of your Xserver not gdm ! |
| 13:06.42 | calmar | pgrep is also a fine too for such tasks. just in case |
| 13:06.57 | simon23 | rvgate: then type kill -SIGTERM <processID> |
| 13:07.01 | pipeline | SinnerG: I'm not here to hold your hand, man. |
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| 13:07.56 | SinnerG | I said I'm reading it now... |
| 13:08.28 | rvgate | simon23, somehow, there is no Xserver listed... but when i try to install nvidia drivers, it says it is running |
| 13:08.35 | MoDaX | Jemt: good news is that this parameter is not set in 2.6.16 and later debian kernels -> no chance for kernel to misdetect partition table type. etch will be released with 2.6.16 or later, so... |
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| 13:09.08 | MoDaX | Jemt: any luck? |
| 13:09.20 | simon23 | rvgate: do you have Xorg running ? |
| 13:09.22 | Jemt | MoDaX: Nice! That's great news. Too bad it is still unstable - but worth waiting for :) |
| 13:09.32 | Jemt | MoDaX: Just a moment |
| 13:09.43 | worstenboy | hi i've got a serious problem, i was reading about defragmenting and i did an fsck until it started to ask some crazy questions about relocating, i hit ^C, now my filesystem is read only ???? how can i fix this please ? |
| 13:09.48 | simon23 | rvgate: type ps -A | grep "Xorg" |
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| 13:10.12 | rvgate | simon23, there is Xfree86 running |
| 13:10.19 | azeem | worstenboy: restart fsck |
| 13:10.33 | simon23 | rvgate: yes - kill that one... |
| 13:10.36 | azeem | worstenboy: did you unmount your file system before doing the fsck? |
| 13:10.39 | worstenboy | and answer yes if it wants to relocate some things ? |
| 13:10.42 | worstenboy | no azeem |
| 13:10.45 | worstenboy | i did not |
| 13:10.51 | azeem | worstenboy: never fsck a mounted partition |
| 13:10.57 | ozux | I search Good program to write my Notes in my Laptop and manage theme.(manage means searching editing deleting and making categories) -- I use debian sid + GNOME |
| 13:11.05 | azeem | worstenboy: also, defragmentin isn't worth the hassle on GNU/Linux |
| 13:11.12 | worstenboy | (it is an raid array with mdam if this is usefull info) |
| 13:11.17 | rvgate | simon23, that will close the gui, just startx to start the gui up again? |
| 13:11.17 | azeem | worstenboy: is this your / ? |
| 13:11.24 | worstenboy | yes |
| 13:11.29 | azeem | eh, raid |
| 13:11.33 | knt | Despite I can see the usbfs of a usb stick under /proc/usb, when I type "mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda -t vfat/ntfs" mount complains that "wrong fs type". Any ideas to cope with that? |
| 13:11.52 | azeem | otherwise, I'd suggest to boot from a LiveCD like knoppix and then run fsck from there, when the partition is unmounted |
| 13:11.54 | Jemt | MoDaX: Nope, no luck :-/ |
| 13:12.00 | simon23 | rvgate: right... are you chatting from your gui or from the shell ? |
| 13:12.01 | azeem | not sure how to best do this for raid |
| 13:12.02 | calmar | would that someone happen to know: ide-scsi is deprecated for cd burning! Use ide-cd and give dev=/dev/hdX as device |
| 13:12.08 | worstenboy | azeem its in the datacenter, cant go there |
| 13:12.25 | calmar | is there still the need for scsi emulation support in the kernel? |
| 13:12.33 | worstenboy | would it help unmounting the filesystem and then do fsck.ext3 ? |
| 13:12.34 | azeem | worstenboy: oh man. |
| 13:12.44 | azeem | worstenboy: you can't unmout your root file system |
| 13:12.44 | MoDaX | Jemt: does still dmesg report CUMANA stuff? |
| 13:12.54 | worstenboy | so basicaly i'm fucked ? |
| 13:13.00 | fireba11 | worstenboy: does mdadm raid level ? |
| 13:13.04 | fireba11 | ahh |
| 13:13.04 | stew | calmar: you need scsi emulation in 2.4 kernels and not in 2.6 kernels |
| 13:13.10 | fireba11 | worstenboy what raid level fo course |
| 13:13.15 | calmar | stew: ok, thanks a lot |
| 13:13.19 | azeem | you can reboot, pray, and hope it fscks correctly on bootup |
| 13:13.21 | worstenboy | raid 1 |
| 13:13.21 | azeem | maybe. |
| 13:13.28 | Jemt | MoDaX: Actually fdisk complained about "Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklable. Building a new DOS disklabel. Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. After that, of cause, the previous content won't be recoverable. WARNING: Invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite) |
| 13:13.33 | Jemt | MoDaX: Checking |
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| 13:13.57 | Jemt | MoDaX: Yes, still reporting CUMANA stuff |
| 13:14.03 | rvgate | simon23, that worked, but it imidiatly started it again |
| 13:14.04 | azeem | worstenboy: how did you manage to get fsck to work on a mounted file system anyway, didn't it refuse? |
| 13:14.22 | abrotman | i think it lets you with a big warninng |
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| 13:14.47 | simon23 | rvgate: are you really using debian ? |
| 13:15.00 | worstenboy | hmm |
| 13:15.03 | Jemt | MoDaX: The latest dmesg result is available at www.powerzone.dk/res again |
| 13:15.04 | rvgate | simon23, is there anything else? ;) |
| 13:15.09 | worstenboy | did -f i suppose |
| 13:15.10 | ozux | Any Body know about good Editor for managing Personal Notes? (good means Fast and yidy and small size) |
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| 13:15.21 | worstenboy | azeem so reboot is the only option ? |
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| 13:15.41 | simon23 | rvgate: i only had the server starting again when i killed kdm / gdm .... but he was dead when i killed the Xorg / Xserver !... |
| 13:15.48 | Jemt | MoDaX: Well, maybe I should just buy a new key? It not the end of the world - they dosn't cost a lot of money anymore. |
| 13:15.50 | azeem | worstenboy: you can try to enter runlevel 1 |
| 13:15.53 | azeem | then remount ro |
| 13:15.55 | Jemt | It's |
| 13:15.57 | azeem | then fsck |
| 13:15.58 | simon23 | rvgate: anything else ? .... no - not really :-) |
| 13:16.04 | MoDaX | Jemt: no. just install 2.6.16 from unstable |
| 13:16.07 | worstenboy | azeem could you assist me with that ? |
| 13:16.14 | Tassium | ozux: A small, fast editor? vi ;) |
| 13:16.18 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ehm, Do I really dare ? :-S |
| 13:16.32 | azeem | worstenboy: I might help with issues if you ask here |
| 13:16.37 | azeem | I'm at work now. |
| 13:16.48 | Jemt | MoDaX: Well, I can always choose to boot the old kernel I quess :) |
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| 13:16.55 | MoDaX | Jemt: yeah |
| 13:17.03 | Jemt | MoDaX: I'll give it a try :) |
| 13:17.05 | azeem | worstenboy: your / file system is currently mounted read-only? |
| 13:17.11 | worstenboy | ow sorry, but this kind of problems are new to me and this issn't an experimental server |
| 13:17.25 | azeem | worstenboy: well, you learnt your lesson :-/ |
| 13:17.27 | worstenboy | mount sais rw |
| 13:17.31 | worstenboy | but cant touch any file |
| 13:17.34 | azeem | ok |
| 13:17.38 | azeem | stop all services |
| 13:17.51 | azeem | then do init 1 or something |
| 13:17.54 | Jemt | MoDaX: I'm modifying sources.list to point to the unstable repos - it shouldn't be a problem when I change it back to 'testing' later - ie. when I do a 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ? |
| 13:17.54 | worstenboy | manualy ? |
| 13:18.04 | azeem | worstenboy: do you have serial console on it? |
| 13:18.05 | worstenboy | like going to /etc/init.d and give all stop |
| 13:18.08 | worstenboy | putty |
| 13:18.10 | worstenboy | only |
| 13:18.12 | azeem | or are you connected via SSH |
| 13:18.13 | azeem | ok |
| 13:18.13 | azeem | hr |
| 13:18.34 | azeem | if you go to runlevel 1, SSH will likely be cut off, not sure |
| 13:18.38 | rvgate | simon23, but ehmm, yeah, when i killed it, screen went black for a moment, and gave me the login screen again |
| 13:18.56 | worstenboy | so that is not an option? |
| 13:19.08 | azeem | well, stop all other services first |
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| 13:19.20 | azeem | you can get it rebooted if you can no longer reach it, right? |
| 13:19.31 | MoDaX | Jemt: add additional entry with s/testing/unstable to sources.list. do apt-get update; apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 13:19.33 | worstenboy | bash: /etc/init.d/apache2: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Input/output error |
| 13:19.47 | azeem | doesn't look good |
| 13:19.53 | worstenboy | yes, there are people onsite |
| 13:19.58 | azeem | try to remount / rw again |
| 13:20.04 | azeem | mount / -o remount,rw |
| 13:20.14 | Jemt | MoDaX: That's what I'm going to do - but there will be no problem in going back to 'testing' afterwards ? |
| 13:20.22 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ie. when I do an upgrade og dist-upgrade |
| 13:20.33 | MoDaX | Jemt: when it finishes, remove or comment out unstable line |
| 13:20.35 | azeem | worstenboy: don't try to write a lot of stuff though! You file system is likely corrupted |
| 13:20.36 | simon23 | rvgate: strange strange... i 'm sorry - but i guess i cant help you any further.... that never happend to me..! |
| 13:20.40 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok, good |
| 13:20.41 | MoDaX | Jemt: don't do dist-upgrade |
| 13:20.51 | MoDaX | Jemt: it will upgrade all your packages |
| 13:21.00 | rvgate | simon23, np, thx for the help |
| 13:21.07 | Jemt | MoDaX: Yes, I know - but I might want that later - when I'm back in the 'testing' repos |
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| 13:21.29 | MoDaX | Jemt: yes |
| 13:21.41 | Jemt | MoDaX: And that won't cause problems you think ? |
| 13:22.15 | worstenboy | azeem mount -n -o remount / -> mount: block device /dev/md1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 13:22.23 | MoDaX | Jemt: you can always go back to the old kernel :) |
| 13:22.27 | azeem | worstenboy: ok, dunno then |
| 13:22.31 | azeem | I never used RAID, sorry |
| 13:22.46 | worstenboy | but you've got some experience i see. |
| 13:22.58 | MoDaX | Jemt: 2.6.16 has worked fine for me for ~2 months |
| 13:23.04 | azeem | did you try -o remount,rw? |
| 13:23.13 | sep | worstenboy, cat /proc/mdstat is all raids up and well ? |
| 13:23.14 | Jemt | MoDaX: That's not what I'm talking about. Will 'apt-get dist-upgrade' downgrade the new kernel if I go back to testing? Or brake dependencies or what ever? I'm afraid that mixing testing and unstable might make my system go weird :) |
| 13:23.32 | Jemt | MoDaX: Oh, nice to hear that :) |
| 13:23.33 | sep | !downgrade |
| 13:23.33 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 13:23.48 | Jemt | sep: Ah, nice - thanks :) |
| 13:23.53 | MoDaX | Jemt: old kernel won't be uninstalled when you install 2.6.16 |
| 13:24.05 | worstenboy | sep http://rafb.net/paste/results/RDptTi20.html |
| 13:24.06 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok, I'll give it a try :) |
| 13:24.12 | Jemt | MoDaX: BRB, need a reboot :) |
| 13:24.21 | MoDaX | Jemt: there will be additional two entries in boot (grub) menu |
| 13:25.05 | sep | worstenboy, looks ok, i guess it is ro becouse of fs errors. personaly i would have rebooted in singel mode, and tried fsck from there |
| 13:25.24 | worstenboy | but i cant do that since i'm only using ssh |
| 13:25.38 | worstenboy | would i get thrue an ordinairy reboot ? |
| 13:26.01 | sep | worstenboy, that's what serial consoles and kvm switches are for |
| 13:26.08 | worstenboy | idd sep |
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| 13:26.28 | worstenboy | azeem i found something else, mount sais : /dev/md1 on / type ext3 (ro,data=ordered) |
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| 13:26.51 | worstenboy | when you asked for is it mount ro, i checked wrong machine sorry |
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| 13:27.36 | rvgate | simon23, it worked... this time i used the system monitor to shutdown the whole GDM part (wich included X) and it shutdown.. now i have working nvidia drivers installed... |
| 13:27.36 | sep | worstenboy, try mounting it rw ? |
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| 13:28.14 | sep | worstenboy, and never ever thing about defragmenting a linux filesystem thats a windows world problem |
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| 13:28.16 | Jemt | MoDaX: It worked - My USB Key works again :) Unfortunately CPU Scaling dons't work anymore :-/ |
| 13:28.31 | worstenboy | yes sep i learned the lesson |
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| 13:29.35 | simon23 | rvgate : well - i'm glad I could help you somehow (*proud*) :-) |
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| 13:29.58 | MoDaX | Jemt: show me dmesg |
| 13:30.07 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok, sec :) |
| 13:30.08 | loiic | Hi again, i removed the exim package on my server since i installed postfix, i deleted the Debian-exim entry from my user/group base thinking i didnt need it anymore, but now apt-get trigger the following error: http://pastebin.ca/69054 |
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| 13:30.14 | oxygen | hi |
| 13:30.15 | rvgate | simon23, much appriciated |
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| 13:30.17 | worstenboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.32 | Jemt | MoDaX: www.powerzone.dk/res |
| 13:30.43 | rvgate | guy going to work on my internet |
| 13:30.54 | rvgate | i will loose internet in... |
| 13:30.58 | rvgate | well, now :P |
| 13:31.10 | worstenboy | sep you saw that ? |
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| 13:31.38 | MoDaX | Jemt: lsmod | grep speedstep |
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| 13:32.09 | sep | worstenboy, is dev/md1 listed in /proc/partitions ? |
| 13:32.28 | worstenboy | yes 9 1 78911168 md1 |
| 13:32.33 | Jemt | MoDaX: 'speedstep_lib 4260 0' |
| 13:32.37 | loiic | i dont understand why this Debian-exim group is still needed after having erased exim ... |
| 13:32.53 | sep | also try remounting / ie the mountpoint instead of the device |
| 13:33.29 | MoDaX | Jemt: try modprobe speedstep_centrino |
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| 13:33.35 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok :) |
| 13:34.09 | Jemt | MoDaX: No errors - still running at 1.6 Ghz though |
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| 13:34.27 | MoDaX | Jemt: show me dmesg now |
| 13:34.32 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok |
| 13:34.43 | worstenboy | sep is mount -no remount,rw / correct ? |
| 13:34.53 | Jemt | MoDaX: www.powerzone.dk/res |
| 13:35.17 | sep | worstenboy, aye try |
| 13:35.33 | worstenboy | mount: special device /dev/md1 does not exist |
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| 13:36.44 | MoDaX | Jemt: modprobe -r speedstep_lib speedstep_centrino && modprobe speedstep_centrino |
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| 13:37.06 | khnh | hi guys, how do you make a bash script automatically run 1 a day |
| 13:37.09 | tarzeau | why do people manage to screw up dates in debian/changelog? |
| 13:37.17 | tarzeau | 100 days in the future? HELLOOOO |
| 13:37.22 | Jemt | MoDaX: And It would be 'modprobe mod && modprobe mod2' etc. right ? |
| 13:37.34 | Ronin | tarzeau: you dont beleive in time travel? :) |
| 13:37.54 | sep | worstenboy, i have no idea. try reboot, if that fail, boot a livecd so you can ssh into it and fix the filesystem when it's not mounted |
| 13:37.59 | MoDaX | Jemt: it would rmmod both speedstep modules and load only _centrino |
| 13:38.05 | sep | now im afk going home |
| 13:38.05 | azeem | sep: he's remote |
| 13:38.09 | sep | good luck worstenboy |
| 13:38.12 | sep | he had people on site |
| 13:38.24 | Jemt | MoDaX: Oh, sorry - I mis-read your line |
| 13:38.27 | stew | khnh: add it to your crontab, read "man 1 crontab" and "man 5 crontab" |
| 13:38.35 | tarzeau | Ronin: www.linuks.mine.nu/timetravel.txt ? |
| 13:38.47 | azeem | well, apparently rather the type that hit the reboot button than those which boot knoppix and fix your borked raid / partition |
| 13:38.54 | stew | khnh: or put the script into /etc/cron.daily the filename in /etc/cron.daily must be a valid run-parts filename, man run-parts |
| 13:39.00 | Jemt | MoDaX: "FATAL: Module speedstep_centrino is in use." |
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| 13:39.21 | khnh | stew:thanks a lot |
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| 13:40.18 | MoDaX | Jemt: /etc/init.d/powernowd restart |
| 13:40.21 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok |
| 13:40.33 | worstenboy | sep |
| 13:40.39 | worstenboy | could it be it won't reboot |
| 13:40.46 | Jemt | MoDaX: Still running at 1.6 Ghz |
| 13:40.49 | sep | worstenboy, could be. |
| 13:41.00 | worstenboy | then what ? |
| 13:41.04 | sep | depends on what damage you did with your defragmentation |
| 13:41.11 | Jemt | MoDaX: And I still can't unload speedstep_centrino |
| 13:41.13 | sep | worstenboy, is it a hosting company ? |
| 13:41.19 | worstenboy | server4you |
| 13:41.26 | Jemt | MoDaX: Should we just modify /etc/modules, and reboot ? |
| 13:41.38 | MoDaX | Jemt: try /etc/init.d/powernowd stop and rmmod then |
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| 13:41.43 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok |
| 13:41.58 | sep | worstenboy, never heard of them , ask if they have ip kvm you can borrow like the peppercon or similar, |
| 13:42.12 | Jemt | MoDaX: Same error - still in use |
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| 13:42.51 | MoDaX | Jemt: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies |
| 13:42.55 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok |
| 13:43.18 | Jemt | MoDaX: 1600000 1400000 1200000 1000000 800000 600000 |
| 13:43.27 | MoDaX | hmm, seems ok |
| 13:43.32 | Jemt | MoDaX: Yep |
| 13:43.43 | MoDaX | Jemt: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| 13:44.05 | Jemt | MoDaX: Should we try replacing 'speedstep_lib' with 'speedstep_centrino' in /etc/modules and reboot? |
| 13:44.07 | Jemt | MoDaX: Checking |
| 13:44.18 | Jemt | MoDaX: Userspace |
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| 13:44.38 | worstenboy | azeem and sep thank you allready |
| 13:44.39 | MoDaX | Jemt: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_driver |
| 13:44.49 | Jemt | MoDaX: centrino |
| 13:44.54 | worstenboy | i'll try reboot, if that fails i contact server company for kvm |
| 13:44.54 | MoDaX | Jemt: ok |
| 13:45.01 | SinnerG | could anyone tell if this is correct => http://dark-code.bulix.org/66me3c-8236 |
| 13:45.05 | MoDaX | Jemt: replace lib with centrino |
| 13:45.13 | Jemt | MoDaX: Done. Restart ? |
| 13:45.17 | MoDaX | yeah |
| 13:45.23 | Jemt | MoDaX: Ok, thanks - BRB :) |
| 13:45.37 | GoAuLd | is debian ready for centrino core duo? |
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| 13:45.49 | formorer | GoAuLd: basically: yes |
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| 13:46.11 | GoAuLd | have i to do something speacial with kernel |
| 13:46.13 | GoAuLd | ;? |
| 13:46.25 | MoDaX | GoAuLd: you need -smp kernel |
| 13:46.40 | ktwilight | is there a recommended software firewall using iptables for debian sarge? |
| 13:46.42 | GoAuLd | yea ok |
| 13:46.43 | GoAuLd | perfect |
| 13:46.43 | formorer | you don't need it, just if you want to use both cores :) |
| 13:46.45 | Eclipser | is it possible, and if so how, to use gprs over usb? (laptop< usb >phone) |
| 13:46.50 | formorer | ktwilight: I prefer firehol or ferm |
| 13:47.37 | ktwilight | hmm... |
| 13:48.02 | ktwilight | thanks formorer, i'll look into it :) |
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| 13:48.30 | stew | SinnerG: the line wtih "ns2.ifreed.net" looks odd, you are defining a nameserver for ifreed.net.ifreed.net? and it should probably have a trailing '.' |
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| 13:48.35 | Jemt | MoDaX: Problem solved - works fine now - running at 0.6 Ghz. Thanks alot - both my Flash Drive and CPU Scaling are working again. You are a life saver ;) Now I only got CUPS left i think :) |
| 13:48.37 | stew | SinnerG: 1800 is quite a short ttl, btw |
| 13:48.55 | SinnerG | I know.. but only for now, when I'm trying ;p |
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| 13:49.32 | threw | hello ! |
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| 13:49.50 | zyriel | hey |
| 13:50.15 | threw | could anyone who are under unstable could try to install gdesklets package in order to tell me if he can install it or not please ? |
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| 13:50.37 | zyriel | after upgrading to xorg 7 (apt: testing) X server unable to be run (dying with a 'Server error' message) |
| 13:51.11 | MoDaX | Jemt: cups shouldn't be difficult with standard gnome/kde tools |
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| 13:51.26 | Jemt | MoDaX: Nope :) |
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| 13:51.41 | threw | zyriel: post /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a past bin |
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| 13:52.27 | Edwin_Quijada | I am installing sarge to move etch |
| 13:52.42 | Edwin_Quijada | I shoudl change the kernell too |
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| 13:53.36 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: Yes, you need to otherwise yo got some udev troubles |
| 13:54.12 | Edwin_Quijada | itchi: Hi! So I needed to reinstall everything to try resolve my problem |
| 13:54.55 | Edwin_Quijada | so that must be first moving etch or upgrade the kernel |
| 13:54.56 | zyriel | there is nothing writing into the Xorg.0.log |
| 13:55.10 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: In the upgrade proccess you would see some troubles. If you look good to the error message he give, he tell you that you need to do somethings to solve the problem. It's realy simply what you need to do. I not remmeber exactly, but he tell you |
| 13:55.26 | ktwilight | Edwin_Quijada, upgrade kernel first. |
| 13:55.28 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: No need to reinstall |
| 13:55.41 | ktwilight | then just apt-get to etch |
| 13:55.56 | Edwin_Quijada | ktwilight: from sarge |
| 13:55.57 | Edwin_Quijada | ? |
| 13:55.58 | threw | zyriel: nothing important or really nothings ?! |
| 13:56.06 | itchi | sarge->etch |
| 13:56.12 | ktwilight | yes Edwin_Quijada |
| 13:56.27 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: No pannic ;-) |
| 13:56.27 | ktwilight | i dunno 'bout 2.4.x to 2.6.x though |
| 13:56.36 | zyriel | really nothings :-/ |
| 13:56.40 | Edwin_Quijada | sarge: apt-get install linux-2.6 |
| 13:56.41 | ktwilight | i've only done it from sarge 2.6.x to etch 2.6.x |
| 13:56.49 | ktwilight | but it should be the same :) |
| 13:57.09 | ktwilight | as itchi said, no panic. :) |
| 13:57.13 | bnovc | i tried installing oracle-xe from the package on their site and when i start it nothing appears to happen, no errors and nothing in the /log directory |
| 13:57.25 | wintix | !run at start |
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| 13:57.34 | zyriel | threw: tried check process run with strace |
| 13:57.35 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: Once you see the error message. You need to do somethings like 'touche /an/file/i/not/remember/' and then apt-get install that_kernel. But in the error you would see, it's been noted how you need to de |
| 13:57.36 | Edwin_Quijada | ktwilight: I got error when I did |
| 13:57.44 | wintix | .oO( shouldn't the bot work that way? ) |
| 13:57.45 | itchi | ktwilight: ;-) |
| 13:57.45 | zyriel | threw: but still no results :-/ |
| 13:57.54 | MoDaX | !run at startup |
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| 13:57.58 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README |
| 13:57.59 | bnovc | i've tried uninstalling and reinstalling the package and even deleting /usr/lib/oracle first but i'm never asked for settings again |
| 13:58.04 | Edwin_Quijada | ktwilight: the panic live here! |
| 13:58.06 | wintix | MoDaX: hum. ok. thanks :) |
| 13:58.08 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: Look good to the error. What tell he ? |
| 13:58.12 | MoDaX | wintix: wrong query :) |
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| 13:58.30 | bnovc | is there some way to erase the settings from a package and have it ask for them again when installing? |
| 13:58.32 | Edwin_Quijada | Writing error to filesystem |
| 13:58.33 | threw | zyriel: erf, so i have really no idea :p |
| 13:58.44 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: Yes, i understand, i miggrated this box 3 days ago :-/ |
| 13:58.50 | MoDaX | bnovc: apt-get --purge remove |
| 13:58.50 | zyriel | threw: I think there has changed again to make merging from 6.9 onto 7.0 harder ;-) |
| 13:58.58 | MoDaX | bnovc: or dpkg --purge |
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| 13:59.20 | bnovc | MoDaX: ok thanks, i'll try |
| 13:59.26 | ktwilight | Edwin_Quijada, patience solves everything. so no worries :) |
| 13:59.32 | Edwin_Quijada | itchi: so I cant resolve this so I am back to reinstall from scratch to sarge |
| 13:59.34 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: Is that the error 'Writing error to filesystem'?? |
| 13:59.43 | MoDaX | bnovc: this will remove the package. install it again with apt-get install |
| 13:59.49 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: Everything could be solved :-/ |
| 13:59.53 | zyriel | threw: I used to solve 99% of problems by itself but in this case I decided to ask you ;-) |
| 14:00.00 | Edwin_Quijada | itchi: Waiting for root filesystem |
| 14:00.02 | zyriel | are :) |
| 14:00.07 | Edwin_Quijada | that is !! |
| 14:00.11 | threw | :)... |
| 14:00.24 | bnovc | MoDaX: where does debian store that information |
| 14:00.27 | itchi | is are :-/ |
| 14:00.38 | bnovc | i was trying to find a file to delete before |
| 14:01.13 | MoDaX | bnovc: ah, you want dpkg-reconfigure <package> I guess |
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| 14:01.33 | MoDaX | bnovc: somewhere in /var/lib |
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| 14:01.34 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=452854 |
| 14:01.34 | freeone3000 | Is Boost.Function available from anywhere? |
| 14:01.42 | ktwilight | formorer, i notice that firehol has more bugs than ferm. does that mean that ferm is better than firehol in terms of production server usage? |
| 14:01.48 | Edwin_Quijada | itchi: I read! |
| 14:02.13 | Edwin_Quijada | and nothing they talk about change udev but the udev is 0.093 |
| 14:02.18 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: :-) |
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| 14:02.24 | roxy_ | formorer: are you still here ? I make , install the kernel but can't find an initrd.img for the kernel |
| 14:02.24 | xmodem | hey, i'm trying to get a raid card working, can someone help me out? |
| 14:02.39 | xmodem | i need to compile a kernel driver but the compile fails |
| 14:02.46 | xmodem | kernel module* |
| 14:02.56 | itchi | Sorry guy, if you know an _open_source_ learning English :-/ ?? |
| 14:03.30 | ktwilight | ? |
| 14:04.23 | xmodem | its a highpoint rocketraid 100 |
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| 14:04.28 | itchi | ktwilight: I need an _open_source_ website/app or so to learn English :-) |
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| 14:04.35 | Edwin_Quijada | itchi: u did this ? |
| 14:04.39 | freeone3000 | itchi: Why do you need an open source website..? |
| 14:04.48 | MoDaX | !u |
| 14:04.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:04.56 | MoDaX | :) |
| 14:04.57 | fontp | is there an ifconfig directive to bring it remove the interface information previously assigned to it? |
| 14:05.03 | fontp | not 'down' |
| 14:05.08 | itchi | freeone3000: To learn _correct_ English ?? |
| 14:05.10 | abeot | anyone knows good mp3 listening software? |
| 14:05.13 | freeone3000 | vim interfaces? |
| 14:05.19 | freeone3000 | abeot: mp3blaster |
| 14:05.23 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: I had i easyer :-p |
| 14:05.31 | freeone3000 | abeot: Assuming you have nothing against ncurses |
| 14:05.34 | MoDaX | abeot: amarok |
| 14:05.40 | ktwilight | itchi, you want to learn correct english for free on a website? |
| 14:05.45 | Maulkin | abeot: xmms. mpg123 |
| 14:05.48 | ktwilight | abeot, try mpd |
| 14:05.54 | fontp | mpg321 ? |
| 14:05.58 | fontp | err, same thing |
| 14:06.00 | itchi | abeot: Do an search on jukebox or so. I use xmms and mplayer |
| 14:06.04 | Maulkin | abeot: mplayer? |
| 14:06.15 | Maulkin | abeot: Try searching. There's lots. |
| 14:06.15 | Edwin_Quijada | itchi: U had this error?> |
| 14:06.17 | itchi | ktwilight: :-) |
| 14:06.24 | whaq | gentlemen |
| 14:06.29 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: You from kernel 2.4 ?? |
| 14:06.29 | whaq | how are we today? |
| 14:06.41 | formorer | fontp: please look at the bugs :) |
| 14:06.45 | Edwin_Quijada | itchi: Yes! sarge |
| 14:06.53 | itchi | whaq: I'm bad it's looks, my english are crazy today :-/ |
| 14:07.13 | ktwilight | haha, but still understandable. for me at least. |
| 14:07.18 | whaq | itchi, haha.. keep at it, friend. it'll improve in no time :> |
| 14:07.19 | formorer | fontp: ferm is just more unusual and firehol is targetet to newbies and advanced user, where ferm needs good iptables knowledge |
| 14:07.30 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: I had migrated from the 2.6.8 kernel, is a bit easyer. But i had to do it some time ago in an virtual computer |
| 14:07.32 | MoDaX | itchi: so many mistakes in one sentence. a new record :) |
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| 14:07.47 | whaq | Any Xen users here? |
| 14:07.52 | itchi | MoDaX: I'm the best for that :-) |
| 14:08.02 | ktwilight | formorer, i notice. 'cuz ferm doesn't have built in protection. so it seems from their site. |
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| 14:08.21 | formorer | ktwilight: what is a built in protection? |
| 14:08.30 | Edwin_Quijada | itchi: I am changing the kernel 2.4 into 2.6 but in sarge |
| 14:09.02 | freeone3000 | I'm doing something in C++, and I need Boost.Function and Boost.Bind, are they available from any source in a .deb? |
| 14:09.11 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: which kerenl are you running? |
| 14:09.17 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: err trying to run? |
| 14:09.18 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: Yup ;-), then you re need to upgrade the kernel, but then the error message are better explained, and he tell also what you need to do |
| 14:10.00 | itchi | :-/ would that help ?? |
| 14:10.09 | roxy_ | how can I create a initrc.img ? |
| 14:10.22 | bnovc | how can i start oracle's web admin program? i can't find a script for it |
| 14:10.25 | ktwilight | formorer, my bad, i read wrongly. :/ |
| 14:10.27 | stew | roxy_: are you compiling a kernel yourself? or installing a debian kernel? |
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| 14:10.44 | ktwilight | formorer, i was thinking 'bout apf's features |
| 14:10.56 | roxy_ | stew: I compiled it myself (vanilla kernel) and want to install it on my debian testing system |
| 14:11.15 | Edwin_Quijada | Stew 2.4.27 |
| 14:11.29 | stew | roxy_: the best way is to just include the "--initrd" switch on the make-kpkg command line, if you didn't, then you need to generate one by hand, which kernel version? |
| 14:11.56 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: oh, i thought you were trying to run a 2.6 kernel, what exactly is the problem you are having? |
| 14:12.02 | roxy_ | I am using 2.6.15, I built and want to install 2.6.17 |
| 14:12.15 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: Type you're error in Google ;-) |
| 14:12.25 | Edwin_Quijada | stew: Waiting for root filesystem |
| 14:12.28 | knt | Hi, all. I need some urgent help in here. I cannot mount a usb memory stick. I can see it on both usbfs and "fdisk /dev/sda" but when I try to mount it via "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/sda" mount complains that wrong fs type. (Despite I can run it on a FC4 machine with same command.) Any ideas would really be appreciated. |
| 14:12.42 | MoDaX | roxy_: do you really need initrd? |
| 14:12.43 | Edwin_Quijada | itchi: I did it but the answer doesnt work for me |
| 14:13.02 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: which initrd tool did you use to create the initrd? |
| 14:13.05 | PumpkinPie | if I have a iptables rule to drop all incoming packets would a sniffer running on the same box still see that data? |
| 14:13.11 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: you mentioned udev 0.93 did you install that from backports? |
| 14:13.20 | MoDaX | roxy_: you should everything what's needed during boot (root fs, ide/sata drivers) into the kernel |
| 14:13.23 | Edwin_Quijada | stew: No |
| 14:13.24 | eleftherios | what's the correct kernel for a machine with a AMD Sempron(tm) 2400+? Is it not linux-image-2.6-k7? (because the machine works with linux-image-2.6-686...) |
| 14:13.37 | MoDaX | roxy_: you should compile* |
| 14:13.37 | roxy_ | MoDaX: I thought I needed it. would just that be ok: http://rafb.net/paste/results/lueos883.html |
| 14:13.41 | ktwilight | knt, maybe it's /dev/sda? |
| 14:13.43 | stew | roxy_: then you should install the initramfs-tools package and run "mkiniramfs -o /boot/initrd-$version $version" where $version is the exact version string, something like "2.6.17-roxy" maybe |
| 14:13.43 | Edwin_Quijada | This install it with dist -upgarde |
| 14:13.46 | ktwilight | knt, without the 1 |
| 14:13.57 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: http://www.linux.lk/lurker/message/20060525.164541.6160e058.en.html |
| 14:13.58 | stew | roxy_: the version string needs to match the name of the directory in /lib/modules |
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| 14:14.05 | Edwin_Quijada | itchiL I did |
| 14:14.11 | roxy_ | stew: thanks |
| 14:14.12 | Edwin_Quijada | I read that |
| 14:14.13 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: dist-upgrade? are you running sarge or etch? |
| 14:14.19 | Edwin_Quijada | sarge |
| 14:14.28 | Edwin_Quijada | I have installed with netsarge |
| 14:14.30 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: do you have udev 0.93 installed? |
| 14:14.36 | knt | ktwilight: I've tried that with no luck too :( |
| 14:14.39 | Edwin_Quijada | well, now not |
| 14:14.49 | Edwin_Quijada | Becasue I begin everytihin |
| 14:14.54 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: Look to the last link, how to ^^ |
| 14:15.08 | knt | Any other ideas about that usb problem? |
| 14:15.11 | Edwin_Quijada | Now I just have installed sarge |
| 14:15.12 | ktwilight | knt, unplug your usb stick, tail -f /var/log/messages and stick in your usb, make sure you got the correct one :) |
| 14:15.15 | Edwin_Quijada | with 2.4.27 |
| 14:15.59 | Edwin_Quijada | Right now sarge with 2.4.27 |
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| 14:16.21 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: you need to generate a new initrd |
| 14:16.36 | Edwin_Quijada | the question is change the kernel to 2.6 or move to etch |
| 14:16.36 | abeot | oh i forgot to ask also that kind of player what can play shoutcast streams, does mpd do it? |
| 14:16.48 | Edwin_Quijada | Stew: how do this? |
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| 14:17.33 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: Have you an old working kernel ? |
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| 14:17.44 | Edwin_Quijada | itchi: 2.4.27 |
| 14:17.44 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: "mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-2.4.27-2-386 2.4.27-2-386" assuming you are running 2.4.27-2-386 (this version string needs to match the directory name in /lib/modules) |
| 14:17.59 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: so you ahve one 2.4.27 that works and one that doesn't? |
| 14:18.09 | ktwilight | abeot, check their website ;) |
| 14:18.22 | Edwin_Quijada | No! this kernel works fine the problem is 2.6 |
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| 14:18.33 | Edwin_Quijada | when I change |
| 14:18.51 | cnwilly | Hi |
| 14:18.52 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: So 2 kernel?? |
| 14:19.04 | Edwin_Quijada | Right now just one |
| 14:19.08 | Edwin_Quijada | Before I had 2 |
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| 14:19.22 | Edwin_Quijada | but 2.6.15 it doesnt work |
| 14:19.31 | knt | ktwilight: Yep, I tried that too. |
| 14:19.35 | cnwilly | i want to be able to execute iptable.but i wont be the root |
| 14:19.43 | cnwilly | is it possible? |
| 14:19.48 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: are you booted into 2.4.27 now? |
| 14:19.54 | Edwin_Quijada | stew: Yes |
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| 14:20.13 | formorer | cnwilly: use sudo |
| 14:20.31 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 udev initramfs-tools yaird" into a pastebin? /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:20.38 | ktwilight | knt, no idea, sorry. did it work before? |
| 14:20.45 | Edwin_Quijada | ok |
| 14:21.00 | knt | ktwilight: it works on a FC4 machine. No, this is my first time trying a usb stick on debian. |
| 14:21.34 | cnwilly | formorer: i want to run a script and it should not ask for the passwrd |
| 14:21.37 | stew | knt: do you have "hal" installed? |
| 14:21.41 | ktwilight | knt, no idea :/ i'm tihnking 'bout the kernel now. or something that you didn't install. |
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| 14:21.51 | streuner | knt: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 14:22.00 | lehel | hello |
| 14:22.08 | Edwin_Quijada | stew : now everything is fine |
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| 14:22.09 | roxy_ | stew: thanks for your help, I am rebooting now |
| 14:22.17 | Edwin_Quijada | my question is : |
| 14:22.26 | lehel | anyone has an idea about deactivating the hdd's led on the PC? |
| 14:22.39 | lehel | [without removing the wire] |
| 14:22.39 | ktwilight | stew, is hal necessary to get it running? |
| 14:22.42 | killown | browser links loging in gmail¿ |
| 14:22.45 | itchi | lehel: Removing that led cable ?? |
| 14:23.02 | stew | ktwilight: not at all, if he had it installed however its easy to have hal tell you what /dev its attached to |
| 14:23.04 | Edwin_Quijada | I wanna move to etch I need to change the kernekl first or just upgrade the version first |
| 14:23.04 | lehel | itchi: (lehel): [without removing the wire] |
| 14:23.14 | itchi | lehel: Yeah, but why not ?? |
| 14:23.14 | knt | streuner: Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 |
| 14:23.15 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: i'll bet you are already running etch |
| 14:23.16 | formorer | cnwilly: you can configure sudo so that it won't ask for a password |
| 14:23.21 | ktwilight | stew, ahso...thanks for the tip :) |
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| 14:23.27 | itchi | lehel: Like you want to desactivate it :-p |
| 14:23.28 | lehel | itchi: i'm remote! |
| 14:23.39 | knt | stew: I don't use any dekstop. |
| 14:23.45 | itchi | lehel: arg, then it does matter, you not see that led :-) |
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| 14:24.05 | knt | stew: therefore, no hal/dbus is installed. |
| 14:24.10 | lehel | itchi! ;).. it's not about seeing me that led, |
| 14:24.11 | cnwilly | The script that is going to be used it not by the root but it will use iptables and i dont want to give the root password out |
| 14:24.20 | lehel | so there is a way? |
| 14:24.24 | cnwilly | is not* |
| 14:24.26 | formorer | cnwilly: so use sudo |
| 14:24.38 | stew | knt: modprobe usb-storage ; modprobe sd_mod; unplug and replug the usb stick, then read dmesg and see if a /dev/sda or somehting shows up in dmesg |
| 14:25.34 | MoDaX | knt: dbus/hal is not only for desktop :) |
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| 14:26.04 | streuner | !hal |
| 14:26.04 | dpkg | hal is, like, a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 14:26.17 | killown | browser links log in account gmail? |
| 14:26.20 | knt | stew: those modules are already loaded. |
| 14:26.38 | cnwilly | formorer:i have debian sarge and it does not have sudo.....strange |
| 14:26.42 | itchi | knt: Have you try '/msg dpkg usb-storage' ? |
| 14:27.05 | MoDaX | cnwilly: apt-get install sudo |
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| 14:27.55 | cusco | hi |
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| 14:28.24 | knt | itchi: it didn't tell anything special I wasn't awera of. |
| 14:28.49 | stew | knt: does dmesg show you which /dev/ node? |
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| 14:29.03 | knt | MoDaX: I'm wondering what hal can do more special than I cannot do in console. |
| 14:29.08 | cnwilly | is there any method by which i can give root priviledges to a script? |
| 14:29.54 | MoDaX | knt: depends on your needs |
| 14:29.57 | stew | knt: you should be able to figure it out without hal, but if you run "lshal --monitor" and plug the device in, it will report which partitions are mountable and what /dev nodes they are attached to. |
| 14:29.59 | itchi | cnwilly: You need to install it |
| 14:30.22 | itchi | cnwilly: As root user :-/ |
| 14:30.25 | knt | stew: I can see lots of usb related messages in the /var/log/messages |
| 14:30.33 | MoDaX | knt: you won't be able monitor hardware changes without hal |
| 14:30.37 | itchi | cnwilly: Like MoDaX already told you |
| 14:30.47 | knt | MoDaX: I generally don't change my hardware. |
| 14:30.52 | Jemt | What package should I install for local printing in Debian ? 'cupsys' or 'cupsys-client' ? |
| 14:30.57 | stew | cnwilly: the best way is using sudo |
| 14:31.05 | MoDaX | knt: so you don't need hal |
| 14:31.37 | PumpkinPie | If I have an application that basically copies files from a stdio and stab it in a stdin.. is it going to be slow or work at full speed? |
| 14:31.50 | lehel | i know that i can play [soft] with "Numlock" "Capslock" "ScrollLock" Leds.. can i turn off [soft] hdd's activity led? |
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| 14:32.28 | cnwilly | but cant i just give root permision to a script as root.and make it run for other users |
| 14:32.36 | Jemt | According to 'dpkg' (the bot), I should install 'cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db' to get CUPS working. Why -bsd ? |
| 14:32.43 | itchi | lehel: I think not, it's managed bi the bios?? |
| 14:32.49 | itchi | bi :-) |
| 14:33.05 | itchi | I'm looking to guys, i know |
| 14:33.06 | stew | cnwilly: you can make it suid, however this is far more dangerous than giving them access with sudo |
| 14:33.39 | cnwilly | ok :) |
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| 14:34.20 | knt | MoDaX: stew: I installed hal, what now? |
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| 14:34.38 | MoDaX | Jemt: for legacy apps. won't hurt |
| 14:34.39 | stew | knt: you should be able to figure it out without hal, but if you run "lshal --monitor" and plug the device in, it will report which partitions are mountable and what /dev nodes they are attached to. |
| 14:34.48 | Jemt | MoDaX: Okay :) |
| 14:35.11 | stew | cnwilly: what is the script? what does it do? |
| 14:35.36 | killown | anyone know links with https support? |
| 14:36.23 | streuner | elinks? |
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| 14:36.36 | Dewi | elinks? |
| 14:36.38 | Dewi | awww. |
| 14:36.39 | knt | stew: It didn't say anything special: block.device = '/dev/sda1' |
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| 14:36.55 | MoDaX | killown: links-ssl |
| 14:36.59 | streuner | if tarzeau got it into sid links is prolly at backport available :-) |
| 14:37.05 | cnwilly | stew:the script has a few commands of iptables.and i want it to run for any user without asking for a password. |
| 14:37.10 | killown | MoDaX thanks |
| 14:37.18 | stew | knt: mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt |
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| 14:37.45 | cnwilly | I installed sudo now and that still prompts for a passowrd.may be i have to add users some where who can access without passowrd right? |
| 14:37.56 | streuner | killown: do you run sarge? |
| 14:37.58 | stew | cnwilly: yes, but why do you ever need a regular user to run iptables? |
| 14:38.02 | knt | stew: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 14:38.03 | nbt | hi, why macromedia flash applets in fx takes 100% processor power ? |
| 14:38.10 | killown | streuner yes |
| 14:38.23 | MoDaX | nbt: because flash is buggy? :) |
| 14:38.27 | nbt | i'm watching fifaworldcup@yahoo and |
| 14:38.31 | streuner | killown: uhm, just ask tarzeau then |
| 14:38.35 | nbt | mmm can be |
| 14:38.36 | itchi | cnwilly: Have you setup sude ? |
| 14:38.36 | nbt | ;) |
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| 14:38.44 | knt | stew: what does this mean: volume.policy.mount_filesystem = '' (string) |
| 14:38.49 | Neeesat25 | Hello to all |
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| 14:39.08 | nbt | there's a non macromedia too to reproducwe flah ? |
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| 14:39.19 | Neeesat25 | Anyone using Radeon 9100 IGP? |
| 14:39.25 | streuner | killown: or just look at backports.org |
| 14:39.26 | cnwilly | itchi:nop i am looking into it right now |
| 14:39.27 | stew | knt: it means you haven't speified a mount policy for it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy but that's not needed for what you are trying to do |
| 14:39.38 | MoDaX | nbt: there are. but alternatives are worse :) |
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| 14:39.53 | stew | knt: mount -t auto really should work, you tried -t vfat? are you sure that it has a valid fileystem? |
| 14:40.09 | nbt | w o r s e ? |
| 14:40.18 | knt | stew: Yes, it works on FC4. |
| 14:40.18 | nbt | how can be worse thant this ? ;) |
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| 14:40.30 | itchi | knt: vfat and fat modules already loaded ? |
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| 14:40.38 | cnwilly | stew:i just want a particular user to be able to use a script with iptables but not mess with anything else thats why :) |
| 14:40.43 | itchi | nbt: Nope |
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| 14:41.03 | MoDaX | nbt: eg. crash? |
| 14:41.06 | stew | cnwilly: what is the occasion that someone would run this? can you not just run this as root during boot? |
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| 14:41.54 | knt | itchi: msdos,vfat,fat are loaded. |
| 14:42.13 | cnwilly | stew:nop its executed remotely form a web browser or ssh |
| 14:42.32 | stew | cnwilly: why? what is the circumstance that it needs to be run? |
| 14:43.00 | stew | cnwilly: what does it actually do? |
| 14:43.35 | cnwilly | well i have this script to control the bandwidth to a user connect to the machine |
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| 14:44.12 | cnwilly | http://roback.cc/howtos/bandwidth.php <---this one |
| 14:44.30 | cnwilly | and i want a non root user to execute it |
| 14:44.31 | ktwilight | general Q, do i have to end my sessions before i restart sshd in order to have the new changes? |
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| 14:45.07 | Terminal | Hello, I was just wondering if any of you knew an alternative to the command "screen" in bash? |
| 14:45.09 | Bitz | any ideas what this error message indicating? vm01-telstra kernel: journal_get_undo_access: No memory for committed data |
| 14:45.33 | Bitz | the mount point goes into to readonly mode after the error, any suggestions? |
| 14:45.38 | Terminal | Ive been playing around with this kde debian box and It doesnt have `screen` . any ideas where to get it? |
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| 14:45.47 | Neeesat25 | Anyone can confirm if there is a way to do 3d on Radeon 9100 IGP? |
| 14:45.51 | Terminal | Bitz, have you googled the error? |
| 14:46.00 | Bitz | is there a bug in ext3 that maybe causing this? |
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| 14:46.04 | ktwilight | Terminal, apt-get install screen |
| 14:46.11 | Terminal | ktwilight, thank you |
| 14:46.24 | Terminal | Bitz, When I get an error, I google it |
| 14:46.31 | ktwilight | :) |
| 14:46.33 | Terminal | I usually find documentation on the error |
| 14:46.34 | stew | Neeesat25: yes, it is supported by the free ati driver |
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| 14:46.40 | Bitz | ok, will try that |
| 14:46.43 | Terminal | :) |
| 14:47.01 | nbt | MoDax it takes full processing power for but a 100 pixel wide frame |
| 14:47.02 | nbt | ;( |
| 14:47.16 | Terminal | ktwilight, :/ Im not root by the way |
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| 14:47.31 | MoDaX | nbt: block flash |
| 14:47.32 | ktwilight | Terminal, oh...no idea then :/ |
| 14:47.39 | rvgate | what's that package called where you could transform your desktop into a cube, spin it around and go to your second screen... ? |
| 14:47.42 | Terminal | oh |
| 14:47.44 | jelly-home | nbt: what's the exact url? |
| 14:47.45 | Terminal | maybe I am |
| 14:47.52 | ktwilight | Terminal, i never install anything without root, try sudo? |
| 14:48.08 | Neeesat25 | stew can you give link please? |
| 14:48.11 | Terminal | I just did, yesterday when I tried using sudo it said incorrect password |
| 14:48.11 | ktwilight | rvgate, sounds like xgl to me |
| 14:48.22 | ktwilight | Terminal, hmm..that's bad :/. |
| 14:48.24 | nbt | fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06 |
| 14:48.25 | stew | Neeesat25: man radeon |
| 14:48.31 | Terminal | well it works now :) |
| 14:48.36 | ktwilight | goodgood |
| 14:48.55 | stew | Neeesat25: wait do you mean a link to how i know this or a link to how to set it up? |
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| 14:49.07 | nbt | (emirates webcast) |
| 14:49.17 | MoDaX | rvgate: 3ddesktop maybe? |
| 14:49.22 | Neeesat25 | Is there a driver build in the kernel? |
| 14:49.32 | stew | Neeesat25: yes, "modprobe radeon" |
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| 14:49.35 | abeot | anyone using xmms? |
| 14:49.39 | rvgate | MoDaX, glx gets closer then that :P |
| 14:49.45 | streuner | abeot: just ask |
| 14:49.51 | itchi | abeot: yes |
| 14:50.12 | abeot | well how to open netstream with xmms? |
| 14:50.15 | MoDaX | rvgate: xgl is nowhere near stable |
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| 14:50.34 | MoDaX | rvgate: pre-alpha software |
| 14:50.40 | stew | the xgl authors haven't even released xgl yet, all they have done so far is to make a 0.0.1 tag in their cvs |
| 14:50.45 | streuner | abeot: left bottom and choose URL |
| 14:51.07 | stew | eastwood: do me a favor and don't tell me what happens, mythtv is recording it for me |
| 14:51.11 | Terminal | I guess while Im here... Has anyone used svn/cvs before? |
| 14:51.13 | abeot | hmm well using shell version of it =/ |
| 14:51.19 | Maulkin | Terminal: Lots of people |
| 14:51.27 | itchi | abeot: I think you need to install an plugin, do an search to know which plugins there are apt-cache search xmms |
| 14:51.28 | rohan | debian thinks that my bios is set to utc -- how do i 'inform' it that it is set to utc ? I conclude from the fact that bios has proper time (local time) and windows too, my timezone is gmt+5.30 whereas debian is displaying it as 1.46am even after i have repeatedly set it to the proper time and timezone .. every time i reboot, the time gets 'skewed' again |
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| 14:51.35 | streuner | abeot: heh, mpg321 <URL> would work too. |
| 14:51.42 | stew | rohan: /etc/default/rcS |
| 14:51.51 | jelly-home | nbt: I mean the location of the flash file that's causing 100% cpu. There's a lot of flash on that site. |
| 14:52.02 | abeot | well trying it than, thanks alot |
| 14:52.05 | Terminal | Maulkin, Including yourself? Ive been playing around with it, and I skimmed over some documentation, but its still a bit confusing to me. Would you mind helping me clear up some questions? |
| 14:52.15 | streuner | abeot: np |
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| 14:52.20 | stew | Terminal: if you have real questions, just ask them |
| 14:52.20 | Crissi | hi |
| 14:52.23 | amc | i can't install nvidia-glx because it depends on xserver-common and i can't install xserver-common because it conflicts with x11-common :/ what should i do? |
| 14:52.25 | itchi | streuner: Right, that's default in ;-) |
| 14:52.28 | MoDaX | rohan: windows sets bios time to local time, not UTC |
| 14:52.29 | rohan | ty, stew :) |
| 14:52.29 | eastwood | stew, roger, but try not to look :P |
| 14:52.34 | nbt | jelly-home the flash applet is in an opened frame in unable to catch the exact url btw click on emirater matchcast of a match and u get there |
| 14:52.36 | Maulkin | Terminal: It depends what they are, and if I can answer them. Just ask :) |
| 14:52.38 | rohan | MoDaX: yes, thats whats sad :( |
| 14:52.38 | stew | amc: /msg dpkg x11-common conflict |
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| 14:52.46 | Crissi | i have some problems with xorg and nv driver.. the font size is very small... whats wrong` |
| 14:52.47 | Crissi | ? |
| 14:52.55 | jelly-home | nbt: ctrl-u to see source? |
| 14:52.58 | rohan | MoDaX: had i not been using windows, my bios time would've been utc, and debian would handle it properly, right ? |
| 14:53.12 | amc | tnx, stew! (: |
| 14:53.12 | Terminal | well ok, I Understand committing files... I can edit the revision, but I can never seem to actually revert the file back to its previous state. |
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| 14:53.35 | stew | rohan: windows wants to have the clock in localtime not utc, if you aren't running windows you should really set your hardware clock to utc |
| 14:53.37 | Terminal | using svn revert myfile |
| 14:53.40 | MoDaX | rohan: edit /etc/default/rcS debian can handle bios time as local time |
| 14:53.43 | Maulkin | Terminal: svn revert filename |
| 14:53.48 | nbt | ctrl-u on that windows opens nothing (not for me at least) |
| 14:53.57 | Terminal | Maulkin, yes, my file was named myfile |
| 14:54.01 | Maulkin | Terminal: Prehaps a error would be useful? |
| 14:54.02 | rohan | stew: yes, my dad needs to use windows :( |
| 14:54.06 | rohan | MoDaX: yes :) ty |
| 14:54.09 | Terminal | I didnt get an error |
| 14:54.15 | itchi | Terminal: Or witht that -r 36 to get revision 36?? |
| 14:54.19 | Terminal | or any feed back |
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| 14:54.39 | Maulkin | Terminal: Try deleting it first |
| 14:54.44 | rvgate | MoDaX, i tried 3ddesktop, looks cool to |
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| 14:54.56 | ktwilight | can anyone please tell me what's wrong with "useradd -d /home/John -g staff -p testing -m John"? 'cuz the passwd doesn't seem to work. :/ |
| 14:55.00 | KasperTech | Hi there. |
| 14:55.03 | rvgate | How do i bind a key to a program in debian sarge, gnome |
| 14:55.23 | jelly-home | nbt: oh well, it uses a lot here too. about 60% at 750Mhz. You can try right-click on flash then choose lower quality setting. |
| 14:55.26 | KasperTech | I have to get my gdmsetup running, but it won't stating: "Failed to connect to socket, sleep 1 second and retry" |
| 14:55.29 | Terminal | Maulkin, If I deleted it... would I be able to revert it? |
| 14:55.45 | Terminal | I mean, it wouldnt be there, would it? Unless its still in the rep :/ |
| 14:56.13 | amc | this is what i get 'Package xfree86-common is not installed, so not removed. x11-common is already the newest version.' :( |
| 14:56.30 | itchi | ktwilight: -G useradd --help |
| 14:56.33 | KasperTech | Anyone knows about gdmsetup and bugs with the sockets?? |
| 14:56.36 | Terminal | itchi, did you mean that my command should be something like: svn revert -r 12 myfile ? |
| 14:56.42 | amc | i'm using debian testing/xorg if this matters |
| 14:56.53 | ktwilight | itchi, i've tried with -G too |
| 14:56.54 | itchi | Terminal: I'm not sure :-/ |
| 14:57.04 | nbt | 50 % at 750 would be sweet ;) here takes 100% @ 1.76 gh< |
| 14:57.05 | ktwilight | itchi, it adds to group fine. but the passwd isn't recognised. |
| 14:57.11 | stew | amc: oh, there is no nvidia-glx in testing |
| 14:57.11 | rohan | amc: so that is expected, since xorg is being used :S |
| 14:57.24 | stew | amc: i misread your original error |
| 14:57.32 | Terminal | ktwilight, have you tried not including the password? |
| 14:57.34 | Neeesat25 | stew: I have load radeon but I get Direct rendering: No |
| 14:57.35 | amc | and i can't use nvidia drivers? |
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| 14:57.42 | Terminal | and just using passwd when you get the account |
| 14:57.42 | itchi | ktwilight: That -m option ?? |
| 14:57.45 | Terminal | maybe it will be null |
| 14:57.51 | ktwilight | Terminal, yes i have, then su John and passwd, but it still asks for current passwd |
| 14:57.58 | rohan | amc: wait for the nvidia drivers to get into testing |
| 14:57.59 | freeone3000 | amc: I'm having no trouble with them. |
| 14:58.00 | Terminal | oh |
| 14:58.01 | ktwilight | itchi, i tried with and without -m option |
| 14:58.06 | itchi | stew: Nor ati-driver in Etch :-( |
| 14:58.09 | freeone3000 | amc: I use the binary build though. |
| 14:58.19 | ktwilight | amc, you can try using the official nvidia installer :) |
| 14:58.21 | cnwilly | i tried using sudo but it seems bit difficult |
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| 14:58.27 | amc | freeone3000, this one from nvidia.com? |
| 14:58.31 | ktwilight | amc, some people use sid's |
| 14:58.36 | freeone3000 | amc: Yes. |
| 14:58.38 | cnwilly | but at the same time can u guys helpt me with suid |
| 14:58.41 | amc | xorg doesn't want to start with it :( |
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| 14:58.54 | KasperTech | Please anyone? GDMSetup and socket errors? |
| 14:58.55 | freeone3000 | amc: Set the nvidia driver output dir to the new X module dir. |
| 14:58.59 | ktwilight | itchi, -m creates all the necessary directories and files :) |
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| 14:59.05 | stew | Neeesat25: you had both the radeon and drm kernel modules loaded when you started x? and you are using the "ati"or the "radeon" driver? |
| 14:59.05 | cnwilly | i chnaged the permisiions of the script by running chmod 4777 |
| 14:59.10 | stew | Neeesat25: which x server? |
| 14:59.15 | Jemt | Can someone help me get my Brother HL-2030 printer working in CUPS ? I have downloaded a LBR driver from the Brother website and a CUPS wrapper. But the wrapper installation seems to fail : http://powerzone.dk/cups. |
| 14:59.22 | freeone3000 | !paste |
| 14:59.23 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 14:59.26 | cnwilly | but still it doesn't run when some other user ties to run it |
| 14:59.31 | killown | I am compiling links2 how I do to enable support ssl? ./configure --with-ssl(=directory) what directory I must to place? |
| 14:59.32 | amc | freeone3000, i didn't understand |
| 14:59.36 | jelly-home | nbt: I'm using Opera though, but the underlying plugin is the same. |
| 14:59.36 | freeone3000 | (For me.) |
| 14:59.37 | rem_ | hey ... what can you do when a kill -9 pid doesnt kill the app ? |
| 14:59.38 | Jemt | That would be LPR driver btw |
| 14:59.44 | itchi | ktwilight: I not know :-/ |
| 14:59.45 | rvgate | for some reason i can't find the gnome controll center, can anyone give me a hint? :S |
| 14:59.48 | freeone3000 | killown: You don't have to specify one. |
| 14:59.53 | ktwilight | it's ok itchi :) |
| 15:00.01 | itchi | ktwilight: Solved ? |
| 15:00.07 | killown | freeone3000 no? |
| 15:00.07 | ktwilight | nope |
| 15:00.08 | amc | whatever.. i'll try sid's nvidia-glx first. tnx |
| 15:00.14 | stew | Neeesat25: which xserver are you using? xfree? xorg? |
| 15:00.18 | itchi | ktwilight: Ah, was been thinking |
| 15:00.28 | killown | freeone3000, /configure --with-ssl only? |
| 15:00.39 | freeone3000 | killown: Yes. That's why the (=dir) is in parens. |
| 15:00.53 | messju | hi. I'm running sarge with the 2.6.15 installer. i cannot load the smbfs module because it's not compatible with the kernel. where/how do I get a running smbfs module? |
| 15:00.53 | killown | ah ok thanks |
| 15:01.06 | messju | Jun 22 16:59:18 localhost kernel: smbfs: version magic '2.6.15-1-486 486 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.15-1-486 486 gcc-4.0' |
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| 15:01.13 | eleftherios | abrotman, dondelelcaro, liable, I found the kernel not found problem. When the kernel update is installed it updates the file /boot/grub/menu.lst when grun loads on boot it reads /boot/boot/grub/ment.lst, look closely at the path, they are different files. (I wonder why this happens of course) |
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| 15:01.28 | abrotman | eleftherios: eh .. that's bad :) |
| 15:01.29 | Luckys | I got debian installed on VMWare, but I'm not able to start the X server, I got ATI on my laptop, where should look and what do I do? |
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| 15:01.42 | itchi | ktwilight: Same case here it's looks, _does not work_ |
| 15:01.52 | eleftherios | abrotman, any ideas why this happens? |
| 15:02.05 | pipeline | Luckys: You need a driver for the VMware simulated hardware. It comes with the "vmware tools" package. |
| 15:02.05 | ktwilight | itchi, yup. i've created a user before and it works! but now i can't remember :/ |
| 15:02.15 | stew | eleftherios: sounds like a bug in update-grub, check the grub package and see if something similar is reported |
| 15:02.22 | stew | eleftherios: you have /boot as a separate partition? |
| 15:02.24 | itchi | ktwilight: Yeah, it's long time ago ;-) |
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| 15:02.34 | abrotman | eleftherios: i could guess that it was looking for the /boot/grub/menu.lst .. but since you were booting from /boot/ .. it should have been /grub/menu.lst |
| 15:02.41 | eleftherios | stew, yes. The system came with boot as a different partition |
| 15:02.43 | ktwilight | itchi, not really, only a couple of weeks ago. haha |
| 15:02.44 | Luckys | pipeline, I'm using VMWare workstation, won't ATI be bundled within that, or I need to download separately? |
| 15:03.06 | stew | eleftherios: then /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst is the correct location |
| 15:03.20 | KasperTech | gdmsetup + socket errors, what do I do? |
| 15:03.48 | eleftherios | stew, so in short, update-grub should touch /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst. This is a 'bug' in update-grub |
| 15:03.56 | eleftherios | stew, correct? |
| 15:03.58 | pipeline | Luckys: No, no no |
| 15:03.59 | killown | with links with ssl support i can access my account gmail? |
| 15:04.05 | dako_oten | Hi, I have a problem with ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz. was it moved? |
| 15:04.06 | pipeline | Luckys: The VMware install is a VIRTUAL machine |
| 15:04.11 | pipeline | Luckys: The graphics of the host system don't matter |
| 15:04.17 | pipeline | Luckys: You need a driver for the VMware SVGA card. |
| 15:04.21 | abeot | streuner: hmm tried that "mpg321 url" but didn't work says directory or file not found |
| 15:04.41 | Luckys | pipeline, what exactly I would look for |
| 15:04.43 | jelly-home | nbt: hmm, looking at that page w/ firefox gives me 100% cpu usage too (with full 1.5GHz). |
| 15:04.44 | pipeline | Luckys: Perhaps you should consult the vmware documentation, which explains it in detail. |
| 15:04.46 | stew | eleftherios: i'm looking at the update-grub script now, it looks like it first looks for a /boot/grub and if it finds one, updates that, if not it looks for a /boot/boot/grub and updates that |
| 15:04.48 | pipeline | Luckys: You need to install vmware tools. |
| 15:04.52 | pipeline | Luckys: Follow the instructions. |
| 15:05.02 | nbt | so its a fx fault ? |
| 15:05.05 | stew | eleftherios: so it seems that if you rm your /boot/grub and run update-grub, things should be fixed in the future |
| 15:05.05 | nbt | not flash ? |
| 15:05.07 | abrotman | that seems like a bug to me ... |
| 15:05.14 | eleftherios | stew, ah nice |
| 15:05.29 | stew | eleftherios: it does seem like update-grub could be made smarter however |
| 15:05.57 | eleftherios | stew, is it a large script? I can re-write it in python. |
| 15:06.16 | eleftherios | stew, I'll have a loo at it |
| 15:06.17 | stew | eleftherios: i don't think we want to require python as an essential package |
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| 15:06.24 | jelly-home | nbt: It's flash allright, but seems to be working a bit better in Opera than in Firefox. Dunno. |
| 15:06.24 | eleftherios | stew, ah true |
| 15:06.31 | itchi | ktwilight: --password PASSWORD The encrypted password, as returned by crypt(3). The default is to disable the account. |
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| 15:06.54 | stew | eleftherios: it seems like it would be an easy fix, especially since there is already code in there to find which device /boot is on |
| 15:07.08 | jelly-home | nbt: does it change when you use low quality? |
| 15:07.23 | ktwilight | itchi, i know that, i've tried -p password |
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| 15:07.32 | nbt | for me no |
| 15:07.40 | ktwilight | itchi, have you tried? does it work? :/ |
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| 15:07.56 | eleftherios | stew, an unrelated question. The tech suport guy of the ISP has installed linux-image-2.6-686, the server has an AMD Sempron 2400+, isn't linux-image-2.6-k7 a better choice? |
| 15:08.05 | stew | eleftherios: yes |
| 15:08.16 | eleftherios | stew, ok, I'll go for that |
| 15:08.24 | itchi | ktwilight: You can als do 'passwd John' to set that pass of it. Not the right way, but so working, i not understand why that -p is not working |
| 15:08.29 | Jemt | Can anyone tell me what package that contains ' lpadmin ' ? |
| 15:08.35 | jelly-home | eleftherios: it is, but probably doesn't matter that much. |
| 15:08.58 | nbt | arg in opera takes less than 17% on average and 45 on update! |
| 15:09.00 | stew | Jemt: /msg dpkg search , /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 15:09.11 | ktwilight | itchi, i su John then passwd John, but it asks for passwd, when i put in, it says authentication failure :( |
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| 15:09.17 | Jemt | stew: Thanks :) |
| 15:09.31 | stew | ktwilight: its asking for the old password not the new password |
| 15:09.42 | tarzeau | links2 is what you want |
| 15:09.47 | Luckys | pipeline, I click VMWare install tools and nothing happens |
| 15:09.58 | stew | ktwilight: if you need to change the password and you don't know the old password, run "passwd John" as root |
| 15:10.02 | tarzeau | streuner, killown? |
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| 15:10.10 | itchi | ktwilight: no 'passwd John', then he ask to give password; 'testing'. Then su John and fill the password |
| 15:10.25 | Neeesat25 | stew: I am using xorg |
| 15:10.27 | ktwilight | but stew, i've given it a password from -p when creating a new user, still doesn't work |
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| 15:10.41 | ktwilight | i've also tried without -p so that i'll be asked for a new passwd, but it still doesn't work :/ |
| 15:10.44 | jelly-home | Luckys: that will only attach a virtual cd. You'll need to mount it and install the software yourself. |
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| 15:11.16 | itchi | ktwilight: Unstable? Here testing, i try it on Sarge |
| 15:11.18 | stew | Neeesat25: put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin |
| 15:11.23 | ktwilight | itchi, sarge |
| 15:11.28 | jelly-home | don't recent X already come with drivers for vmware? |
| 15:11.30 | Luckys | jelly-home, sorry, but I don't have any tools CD with me |
| 15:11.30 | amc | i installed the 2.6.16 kernel, the nvidia-kernel 2.6.16 and nvidia-glx 2.6.16 but cedega still can't find my graphic card :/ Should i do something else? |
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| 15:11.44 | stew | ktwilight: what do you mean by "doesn't work"? |
| 15:11.52 | rvgate | Is it possible to bind my middle mouse button to a command? if so, how? |
| 15:11.55 | itchi | ktwilight: And like the way i have tell, it's working, it's not the right quickest way |
| 15:12.01 | Luckys | I still really don't know how do I go about |
| 15:12.03 | nbt | jelly-home thx for thy advice |
| 15:12.14 | itchi | ktwilight: In awaything to find the sollution ;-) |
| 15:12.17 | cnwilly | does setting the suid always enable other usersvto execute a script owned by root |
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| 15:12.39 | ktwilight | stew, without -p, it asks for my "current password" even though there isn't one. with -p i get an "authentication failure" |
| 15:13.03 | jelly-home | Luckys: when you press "install tools", vmware connect an iso cd image to your virtual machine. You now have to use it inside the machine as if it was a real cd. |
| 15:13.11 | stew | ktwilight: what command are you running? |
| 15:13.44 | ktwilight | this -> useradd -d /home/Jee -g staff -m -s /bin/bash Jee |
| 15:13.55 | ktwilight | i su Jee, passwd, and it still asks for my current passwd |
| 15:14.07 | stew | ktwilight: don't su Jee, run "passwd Jee" |
| 15:14.21 | ktwilight | *scratches head* |
| 15:14.29 | ktwilight | passwd Jee works. :) |
| 15:14.31 | jelly-home | are Capitals in username even supported? |
| 15:14.36 | stew | ktwilight: and is there a reason you are using useradd instead of adduser? |
| 15:15.06 | ktwilight | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/ch-dea.en.html <- doc tells me to use useradd |
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| 15:15.39 | itchi | ktwilight: I'm not alone that have take that way :-p |
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| 15:16.04 | stew | ktwilight: strange, adduser would make your life easier |
| 15:16.06 | ktwilight | come to think of it, i used adduser before. no wonder it worked then. haha |
| 15:16.13 | ktwilight | yes stew, thanks for reminding me. haha :) |
| 15:16.26 | ktwilight | why two different commands stew? :/ |
| 15:16.27 | itchi | jelly: Does not change in lowecasse |
| 15:16.34 | ktwilight | and the doc seems...misleading :/ |
| 15:17.07 | junix-other | what's going on with X? i can't get it to work anymore with my Nvidia card |
| 15:17.24 | Jemt | stew: dpkg is not helping me much in finding out what package contains lpadmin - any other suggestions? Google is not very helpful either |
| 15:17.29 | itchi | stew: That's it useradd, adduser. Why these 2 ?? |
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| 15:17.44 | itchi | hi i'm divaD |
| 15:17.59 | stew | Jemt: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 15:17.59 | itchi | :-p |
| 15:18.39 | Jemt | stew: Oh, thanks :) |
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| 15:18.46 | stew | itchi: useradd just manipulated the user database, adduser calls useradd but also creates the home directory and copies /etc/skel there |
| 15:18.46 | rvgate | itchi... after successfully installing nvidia drivers, it got allot better |
| 15:18.48 | eleftherios | stew, ah, look at what update grub does once I delete /boot/grub/menu.lst: Could not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like /boot/grub/menu.lst generated for you? (y/N) N -> Not creating /boot/grub/menu.lst as you wish and aborts... |
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| 15:19.17 | rvgate | itchi, been on windows today for like 10min, the rest i've been fooling around with debian |
| 15:19.22 | eleftherios | stew, this means I have to leave the file there and copy it manually everytime |
| 15:19.23 | stew | eleftherios: wierd, becuase it looks to me like it should correctly find /boot/boot/grub |
| 15:19.29 | itchi | rvgate: Wait, when everything are done and setup, you would never more go to m$ :-p |
| 15:19.35 | stew | eleftherios: you should definately file a bug, /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 15:19.45 | eleftherios | stew, I will do |
| 15:19.45 | stew | eleftherios: which version of grub do you have installed? |
| 15:19.48 | stew | eleftherios: thanks! |
| 15:19.54 | eleftherios | stew, let me check :-) |
| 15:20.02 | itchi | rvgate: Next step, you're email ;-) so no more need to switch of os :-) |
| 15:20.13 | eleftherios | stew, grub 0.97-5 |
| 15:20.18 | itchi | stew: I love you :-) |
| 15:20.34 | stew | itchi: easy |
| 15:20.36 | Neeesat25 | stew can I send them somewhere? |
| 15:20.49 | stew | Neeesat25: http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 15:21.11 | rvgate | itchi, actually not... i just installed 3ddesktop :P havinf fun with switching screens.. hehe |
| 15:21.44 | Jemt | BRB |
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| 15:22.34 | Qball | abeot: mpd from svn can do it |
| 15:22.47 | Luckys | jelly-home, it says block device /dev/cdrom is write protected after I did VMWare Install tools |
| 15:22.55 | abeot | svn? |
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| 15:23.34 | scarface | is it possible to create a search database that searches recursively certain folders for filename phrases? maybe anyhting I can do via http? |
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| 15:25.04 | Neeesat25 | stew: I have upload them as xorg.conf and xorg0.log |
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| 15:27.04 | cnwilly | hey guys can you help with suid |
| 15:27.12 | Luckys | :( |
| 15:27.34 | cnwilly | i have set the user bit of a script but still other users cannot execute it???? |
| 15:27.43 | cnwilly | the script i sowned by root |
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| 15:28.06 | eastwood | cnwilly, chmod 755 script ? |
| 15:28.30 | Luckys | ./dev/cdom write protected |
| 15:28.35 | Luckys | what do I do |
| 15:28.36 | cnwilly | eastwood: i did chmod 4777 |
| 15:29.01 | jelly-home | Luckys: that's ok. |
| 15:29.08 | stew | cnwilly: that is a horrible idea, that gives all users permissions to do whatever they want as root |
| 15:29.18 | jelly-home | Luckys: did it mount? |
| 15:29.27 | stew | cnwilly: becuase you gave permission to the users to change the script to do whatever they want, and then to execute it as root |
| 15:29.39 | Luckys | jelly-home, yea I see the .rpm and the .gz files under /mnt/cdrom |
| 15:29.45 | stew | cnwilly: so a user could edit the script, change it to "rm -rf /" then run it and it would run as root |
| 15:30.02 | eastwood | cnwilly, never do 777 unless you want explicitly that way |
| 15:30.12 | stew | Neeesat25: everything looks ok there, and it seems like DRM is enabled according to that log |
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| 15:30.31 | Neeesat25 | shall I desable drm? |
| 15:30.40 | Luckys | jelly-home, it says to go to the /tmp folder and I create a new folder there? |
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| 15:31.04 | stew | Neeesat25: possibly you should make sure the libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx packages are installed |
| 15:31.05 | abrotman | cnwilly: is the partition mounted noexec ? |
| 15:31.12 | lepton | kazzed: of course it's possible to create a (search) database. |
| 15:31.13 | jelly-home | Luckys: I'm not familiar with the vmware drivers installation procedure. |
| 15:31.24 | junix-other | if i change video cards from nvidia to intel, what do i need to change in my xorg.conf? |
| 15:31.35 | junix-other | change nvidia to i810? |
| 15:31.38 | junix-other | in the drivers section |
| 15:31.45 | Neeesat25 | must be installed those two? |
| 15:31.53 | stew | cnwilly: you should probably read /msg dpkg permissions |
| 15:32.01 | stew | Neeesat25: i believe so |
| 15:32.08 | stoned | junix, one is onboard intel agp and one is nvidia? |
| 15:32.17 | junix-other | stoned: yes the intel is onboard |
| 15:32.29 | Neeesat25 | Are both installed |
| 15:32.39 | abrotman | junix-other: that sohuld probably be it |
| 15:32.39 | junix-other | yes |
| 15:32.44 | cnwilly | stew: what has dpkg permissions got to do with tht |
| 15:32.45 | jelly-home | Luckys: ... so follow what they say. Maybe ask on #vmware if you get stuck and noone answers here. |
| 15:32.50 | junix-other | stoned: both are installed |
| 15:32.59 | Luckys | jelly-home, thanks jelly |
| 15:33.15 | stew | !tell cnwilly about permissions |
| 15:33.23 | stew | cnwilly: read the url in there |
| 15:33.42 | stoned | junix-other, simply get the pci device number, and specify it in pci bus id option, use lspci -X but I think it doesn't work anymore on sid its deprecated or some such thing |
| 15:34.04 | junix-other | stoned: i'm on unstable |
| 15:34.06 | junix-other | wtf |
| 15:34.15 | Neeesat25 | stew: did you try radeon and worked with such a card like radeon 9100 IGP? |
| 15:35.03 | Luckys | what directory contains the init directories /etc? |
| 15:35.07 | stoned | junix-other, why do you want to switch to the onboard agp, shouldn't the nvidia card be more powerful |
| 15:35.11 | stew | Neeesat25: not with 7.0 yet, but a 9200 with 6.9, i generally don't care much about 3d though. |
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| 15:35.17 | junix-other | nvidia card won't work anymore, |
| 15:35.22 | stew | Neeesat25: however, i can tell you that the card should work with 3d support |
| 15:35.26 | junix-other | i upgraded, and everything fucked up |
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| 15:35.47 | junix-other | so if you can help me get my nvidia card working.... |
| 15:35.49 | cnwilly | hmm ok finally i got it working with sudo now. |
| 15:36.00 | stoned | junix, take out the card that does not work, then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, if you have modified xorg.conf by hand, then reset the md5 on it, do /msg dpkg drxx |
| 15:36.08 | Neeesat25 | 9200 I have it and it's working with fglrx but with 9100 IGP is only doing 2d |
| 15:36.14 | cnwilly | all i have to to do is enter the passowrd once for the user |
| 15:36.33 | stoned | junix, the nvidia card is physically bad, or just not working after an upgrade? |
| 15:36.43 | jelly-home | Can I use aptitude to install and keep build dependencies for a package? |
| 15:36.48 | junix-other | stoned: its just not working after an upgrade |
| 15:36.56 | cnwilly | phew! |
| 15:36.58 | stoned | junix-other, and you upgraded to sid |
| 15:37.03 | junix-other | i've been using sid |
| 15:37.07 | cnwilly | thanks for the help guy... |
| 15:37.07 | stoned | I see |
| 15:37.20 | cnwilly | guys* |
| 15:37.24 | stoned | junix, I suppose after the upgrade you have tried the nvidia onel iner again |
| 15:37.31 | ktwilight | jelly-home, what do you mean? |
| 15:37.48 | junix-other | stoned: yes, i've had the debian nvidia drivers working for a day |
| 15:37.55 | junix-other | and then kernel 2.6.16 locked up on me |
| 15:37.55 | ktwilight | jelly-home, do you mean not lettin' a package upgrade? |
| 15:37.56 | stoned | junix-other, if you upgraded the kernel then you probably have to rebuild the nvidia driver module, happens to me every couple of upgrades, no biggy |
| 15:38.11 | jelly-home | ktwilight: like apt-get build-dep foo, but with aptitude. |
| 15:38.19 | junix-other | stoned: it tells me it can't compile the kernel cause of some error |
| 15:38.27 | ktwilight | jelly-home, no idea then, sorry :/ |
| 15:38.37 | stoned | junix-other, more than likely it is an error about wrong gcc version |
| 15:38.48 | stoned | junix-other, try and get me the error, or what it says |
| 15:38.52 | junix-other | ok |
| 15:39.01 | Luckys | what is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? what is the path? |
| 15:39.28 | stoned | umm, /usr/src |
| 15:39.34 | stoned | somewhere |
| 15:39.38 | stew | Luckys: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 15:39.40 | stoned | nm |
| 15:39.51 | stew | Luckys: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 15:41.25 | Neeesat25 | stew: in ATI site says that there is a problem only with 9100 IGP and 9100 PRO IGP |
| 15:41.34 | Luckys | stew, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 15:42.01 | stew | Luckys: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ; then the path i gave above will have the headers |
| 15:42.25 | stew | Neeesat25: ok then "man radeon" is probably incorrect |
| 15:42.50 | Luckys | stew but there is no build folder |
| 15:44.07 | bnovc | i installed oracle-xe and attempted to run it .. i don't get any errors when it starts and nothing in any logs i can find but it never runs |
| 15:44.11 | junix-other | stoned: http://pastebin.com/725567 |
| 15:44.35 | junix-other | that's building on 2.4.27 |
| 15:44.49 | junix-other | i can reboot into the other kernel(s) |
| 15:44.59 | stoned | hopefully it will load one of these days |
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| 15:45.03 | Luckys | stew, ? |
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| 15:45.13 | stoned | before I get old |
| 15:45.16 | jelly-home | bnovc: does this not-in-debian thing have an init script? |
| 15:45.40 | stoned | why is love such a negative thing |
| 15:45.41 | stoned | ? |
| 15:45.45 | itchi | In 'konqueror' i could not more go in the 'devices' section he tell me 'Protocol not supported devices' |
| 15:45.47 | stoned | how come everyone is always falling into it |
| 15:45.53 | stoned | its like a tar pit yeah |
| 15:45.58 | rvgate | hehe |
| 15:45.59 | itchi | I have recently migrated from Sarge to Etch |
| 15:46.08 | Roey | heh |
| 15:46.13 | stoned | ok finally pastebin loaded |
| 15:46.32 | itchi | rvgate: You will love more once see more :-) It's now you're 2de day in Debian ? |
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| 15:46.42 | rvgate | still the first |
| 15:46.48 | itchi | rvgate: ... once you see more ... |
| 15:47.01 | rvgate | ok, show me what this baby can do :D |
| 15:47.07 | itchi | rvgate: Great great great ;-) |
| 15:47.09 | stoned | jelly-home, yup, as I suspected, wrong gcc version. It looks like you are using the official nvidia insaller for the drivers, is this correct? |
| 15:47.32 | junix-other | yes |
| 15:47.36 | junix-other | i have tried that |
| 15:47.37 | Luckys | stew, I'm using the apt-get to install from the cd, right? |
| 15:47.38 | stoned | don't do that again |
| 15:47.47 | junix-other | do i need to delete my gcc link? |
| 15:47.55 | rvgate | i only came allong 1 downside... that were the nvidia drivers... had "some" troubles with that, but managed to get it done |
| 15:47.55 | stoned | junix-other, what does echo $CC say? |
| 15:48.05 | junix-other | 1 sec |
| 15:48.07 | junix-other | i rebooted |
| 15:48.09 | edrin | can you recommend a distor to install on USB stick? |
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| 15:48.30 | junix-other | stoned: why should i use the nvidia installer? |
| 15:48.39 | stoned | junix-other, you shouldn't |
| 15:48.39 | itchi | rvgate: It's because it's *proprietary* things :-/ We hope it would be easyer in the futur :-/ |
| 15:48.50 | junix-other | stoned: no reason, just dont? |
| 15:48.57 | stoned | !tell junix-other -about nvidia one liner |
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| 15:49.12 | stoned | junix, what gcc compiler version are you using |
| 15:49.16 | itchi | edrin: DSL ;-) +- 50 MB and all what you need ;-) |
| 15:49.32 | stoned | junix-other, you need to use the same gcc version that compiled your kernel to compile the module |
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| 15:49.40 | stew | Luckys: after you apt-get the headers package, there will be a build directory |
| 15:49.40 | junix-other | i don't know what that is |
| 15:49.46 | junix-other | i'm booted to 2.6.15 right now |
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| 15:49.52 | Luckys | stew, got it thanks |
| 15:49.54 | stew | Luckys: you can apt-get to install from the cd, sure |
| 15:50.00 | rvgate | itchi, i managed to bind my F5-F8 keys to alternate desktops... in 3d :P looks really cool |
| 15:50.07 | stoned | junix-other, just do what the nvidia one liner factoid says |
| 15:50.18 | netsrac | Hi! Kennt ihr einen Client für den NX-Server, der ohne Installation über einen Browser läuft? Z.B. ein Java-Client? |
| 15:50.29 | stew | !de |
| 15:50.30 | stoned | junix-other, tell me if that still gives you an error, also, maybe you should upgrade to a newer kernel, 2.4 is old |
| 15:50.30 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.freenode.net und irc.oftc.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on freenode and irc.oftc.net) |
| 15:50.36 | junix-other | stoned: i can't get my GCC version |
| 15:50.55 | junix-other | G |
| 15:51.07 | junix-other | echo $CC doesn't show anything |
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| 15:51.16 | stew | junix-other: gcc --version |
| 15:51.20 | stew | junix-other: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:51.31 | Crissi | i have some problems with xorg and nv driver.. the font size is very small... whats wrong? |
| 15:51.32 | junix-other | 4.0.4 |
| 15:51.39 | Crissi | sorry i was afk |
| 15:51.42 | junix-other | stew: get my video working |
| 15:51.52 | netsrac | Upps, sorry. in English: Do you know a client for NX-Server, which runs without installation via a web-browser? A Java-Client, for example? |
| 15:52.05 | rvgate | Is there a linux version or some messenger that can login on the msn messenger network? |
| 15:52.07 | raf256 | why in the hell! |
| 15:52.10 | stew | junix-other: with a non-free driver? |
| 15:52.13 | raf256 | there is no PSI-SSL in debian? |
| 15:52.20 | Maulkin | rvgate: gaim |
| 15:52.27 | raf256 | There is just regular PSI, that is missing SSL plugin |
| 15:52.33 | junix-other | stew: yes |
| 15:52.34 | worstenboy | sep are you still there |
| 15:52.39 | rvgate | Maulkin, but gaim can't login into the msn network? |
| 15:52.58 | stew | rvgate: it can. "apt-cache search msn" should show you others |
| 15:52.59 | Maulkin | rvgate: It seems to work for me |
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| 15:53.16 | Crissi | rvgate: sim |
| 15:53.21 | Crissi | sim-im.org |
| 15:53.36 | GTX | When a new stable version of Debian comes out how would I upgrade to it? |
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| 15:53.52 | stew | GTX: what version are you running now? |
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| 15:54.04 | GTX | stew, Debain Stable 3.1 |
| 15:54.10 | itchi | rvgate: There are also 'amsn' if you want, kopette, ... You need to choose (and test) |
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| 15:54.46 | stew | GTX: after reading the release notes for etch (which also should have instructions), "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" |
| 15:54.56 | rvgate | itchi, looking at the list now, from the tip stew gave me |
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| 15:55.10 | threw | i have a little question: how to set alignement in consol with bash, eg i want to put a text at right of the screen under consol, how can i do please? |
| 15:55.12 | GTX | stew, when will etch be released? |
| 15:55.17 | bnovc | jelly-home: it has a startup script, yea |
| 15:55.19 | tkup | why is it that *.emerg are sent to wall (*) only and not to say persistent storage? is it because there's a chance that the kernel is not functional enough to store errors on the file system? |
| 15:55.20 | itchi | rvgate: He is an great guy ;-) |
| 15:55.24 | stew | GTX: /msg dpkg wwer |
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| 15:55.44 | Luckys | stew, still i do startx and it gives me error |
| 15:56.16 | GTX | Would it be better using Ubuntu Server or plain Debian, not sure which one |
| 15:56.17 | jelly-home | bnovc: if it's a shell script, you can add "set -x" at the beginning and see what happens. |
| 15:56.19 | rvgate | itchi, i know who stew is... he sits here everyday :P |
| 15:56.43 | itchi | rvgate: ;-) |
| 15:56.57 | Eclipser | hm |
| 15:57.10 | simon23 | hi there - got a bad problem... my skype dont work, i'm using debian etch . Anyone got skype woking at etch ????? |
| 15:57.14 | Eclipser | what could cause pppd log and quit with error tcsetattr: Invalid argument (line 971) |
| 15:57.15 | simon23 | please ? |
| 15:57.16 | Luckys | no screens found |
| 15:57.23 | Eclipser | (bluetooth/gprs) |
| 15:57.39 | simon23 | it has a broken dependencie |
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| 15:58.19 | calmar | hi all, I would like to change the right control to the key besides it - a windows-key that is. is there no thing like xev but for the console to see the name that windows-key has? |
| 15:58.38 | junix-other | stoned: it didn't work |
| 15:59.00 | jelly-home | simon23: what's the package it needs? |
| 15:59.13 | GTX | Is it better to use Ubuntu Server or Debian as a server? |
| 15:59.25 | eastwood | debian |
| 15:59.45 | threw | anyone could answer to my question please ? |
| 15:59.47 | jelly-home | GTX: RHEL. ;-) |
| 15:59.49 | GTX | any reasons why eastwood ? |
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| 15:59.55 | simon23 | jelly-home: but thats deprecated and there is libqt3-mt now... |
| 15:59.56 | Luckys | jelly-home, what do I do now, startx fatal error no screens found |
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| 16:00.04 | delusions | hi all, i upgraded to testing today and now i cant compile my qt programs, i changed the library and include options but it says "...: error: qconfig.h: No such file or directory" "qmodules.h: No such file or directory", can you give an advice?? |
| 16:00.08 | simon23 | jelly-home: but skype needs the old one. |
| 16:00.09 | GTX | Why jelly-home |
| 16:00.15 | eastwood | GTX, yeah stability |
| 16:00.22 | eastwood | and trust |
| 16:00.23 | jelly-home | GTX: support. |
| 16:00.27 | junix-other | stew & stoned : http://pastebin.com/725597 |
| 16:00.31 | GTX | jelly-home, dont need support :p |
| 16:00.34 | eastwood | havent used ubuntu |
| 16:00.46 | wotdu | delusions: you probably need qt devel packages |
| 16:00.48 | vinyl | hi there. since the gnome-themes got merged to a single package i have the standard x mouse pointer instead of the nice gnome one. can someone push me to a way how to get back my gnome-pointer? |
| 16:00.49 | jelly-home | GTX: oh, but you will. You will. |
| 16:01.00 | stew | !drxx Luckys |
| 16:01.01 | dpkg | Luckys: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:01.01 | GTX | why jelly-home? |
| 16:01.04 | Maulkin | GTX: Security and stability |
| 16:01.17 | bnovc | how can i list all the users on a system |
| 16:01.32 | Maulkin | bnovc: "getents passwd" |
| 16:01.32 | jelly-home | simon23: just paste the error somewhere, also the dpkg --info skype*deb |
| 16:01.34 | GTX | eastwood, I used Ubuntu server 5.10 and tried to upgrade it to the latest 6.04, the whole upgrade buggered and now the system doesn't boot. so I have moved away from it |
| 16:01.37 | delusions | wotdu, thanks, but i just upgraded and all packages should be upgraded, not removed right? |
| 16:01.49 | eastwood | GTX, awesome idea |
| 16:01.53 | stew | Maulkin: s/s// |
| 16:01.56 | GTX | Indeed eastwood :P |
| 16:01.56 | eastwood | that means the system isnt flexible |
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| 16:02.03 | bnovc | Maulkin: i don't have getents, but i guess i can just look in passwd |
| 16:02.12 | stew | bnovc: "getent password" without an s |
| 16:02.15 | Maulkin | bnovc: Sorrt, getent, not getents |
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| 16:02.17 | wotdu | delusions: to be honest, i'm quite new to debian so i don't really know :D |
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| 16:02.27 | bnovc | stew, thanks |
| 16:02.36 | delusions | wotdu, thanks :)) |
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| 16:02.39 | stauki | is it safe to run apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 16:02.56 | jelly-home | GTX: presumably you'll use the server for production. It's good to have someone to call when things go wrong and you have to fix them right away. |
| 16:02.56 | stew | stauki: you must pay attention to what it wants to remove |
| 16:03.05 | stauki | I ran apt-get update and I couldn't boot |
| 16:03.14 | Maulkin | !why not dist upgrade |
| 16:03.15 | dpkg | If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade, when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back on apt-get upgrade, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. |
| 16:03.25 | GTX | jelly-home, Indeed but I can do what they can do :p |
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| 16:03.41 | vinyl | btw, of course i am talking about sid |
| 16:03.45 | Maulkin | stauki: Are you sure that's what you run? |
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| 16:04.05 | stew | stauki: what version of debian? what happens when you try to boot? |
| 16:04.07 | stauki | Maulkin: not realy sure were can I find out |
| 16:04.14 | signuts | Hey folks, I have had it w/ gentoo and want to get my system of. the only problem I have is my software raid5. Can I re-install the system and copy over the /etc/mtab file to have the raid5 activated again? |
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| 16:04.19 | stauki | it is pretty new |
| 16:04.35 | jelly-home | GTX: good for you |
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| 16:04.44 | stoned | back |
| 16:04.46 | Maulkin | stauki: What errors are you getting? |
| 16:04.48 | stoned | damn plumber |
| 16:04.51 | Luckys | stew, it prompts to enter bus id what do I put |
| 16:05.05 | stew | Luckys: leave it blank unless you have 2 cards or are on a mac |
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| 16:05.10 | stew | Luckys: same with amount of ram |
| 16:05.12 | stoned | jelly-home, how is the driver coming along? |
| 16:05.32 | Maulkin | signuts: You don't want to go copying mtab. Possibly fstab. see 'man mtab' and 'man fstab' for details. |
| 16:05.35 | jelly-home | stoned: btw, your completion's gone bad again. |
| 16:05.42 | stoned | heh |
| 16:05.46 | stoned | how so |
| 16:06.04 | jelly-home | stoned: I believe you wanted ju<TAB>, not je<TAB> |
| 16:06.11 | simon23 | jelly-home: http://phpfi.com/125237 here's the info. |
| 16:06.14 | stoned | jelly-home, what gcc version are you using to compile the module |
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| 16:06.22 | stoned | jelly-home, no I mean you |
| 16:06.39 | stoned | jelly-home, maintanance guy came. I had to get my sink fixed, so I left |
| 16:06.55 | jelly-home | stoned: I don't have a nv card, so I really think it's not me. |
| 16:07.07 | stoned | oh good lord |
| 16:07.08 | Luckys | stew, for my laptop , as in for the mouse pad I'll select the mouse to be /dev/input/mice? |
| 16:07.09 | stoned | you are correct |
| 16:07.15 | zam-aliphe | SFinternal.h:51:31: error: X11/Xaw/AsciiText.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:07.18 | stew | Luckys: /dev/psaux |
| 16:07.19 | stoned | junix-other, it is you, ok |
| 16:07.21 | stauki | what I realy want to find out is: can apt-get dist-upgrade mess with my kernel |
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| 16:07.30 | junix-other | stoned: ??? |
| 16:07.34 | stew | stauki: yes |
| 16:07.44 | zam-aliphe | what pkg have that file ? |
| 16:07.44 | stauki | stew: how can I avoid this |
| 16:07.46 | stoned | junix-other, how is the nvidia driver coming along |
| 16:08.00 | Luckys | stew, entry which best describes your mouse? |
| 16:08.00 | junix-other | stoned : http://pastebin.com/725597 |
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| 16:08.10 | Luckys | ImPS/2? |
| 16:08.10 | simon23 | jelly-home: i downloaded that file directly from the skype website. i also tried those debs that are on the debian etch repositories. |
| 16:08.13 | stew | Luckys: yes |
| 16:08.31 | eastwood | stauki, you gotta tricker what apt-get will do |
| 16:08.51 | eastwood | it normally asks if you want to remove a running kernel |
| 16:08.54 | stoned | pastebin takes a really long time to load |
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| 16:09.13 | stauki | so I should not change kernel |
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| 16:09.26 | eastwood | simon23, deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free |
| 16:09.29 | stew | stauki: pay attention to what it wants to do when you run dist-upgrade. if you have a metapackge installed like linux-image-2.6 then a new kernel will be installed whenever a new 2.6 kernel is available. if a newer version of your running kernel comes out that will be upgraded if you run either upgrade/install/ or dist-upgrade (but this is generally a GOOD thing) |
| 16:10.00 | stew | stauki: if a newer version of your kernel is available you should be changing to the newer version in general |
| 16:10.13 | eastwood | stauki, the best thing to do is to always have a stable old kernel for problems and a newer kernel |
| 16:10.19 | jelly-home | simon23: dpkg -x getskype.deb some-dir; dpkg -e getskype.deb some-dir/DEBIAN; perl -pi -e 's/Depends:.*/Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0)/' some-dir/DEBIAN/control; dpkg -b some-dir . |
| 16:10.22 | stoned | simon23, don't use the debs that come with skype, they are often very buggy, always, I know because I use skype. Use the precompiled binary with static qt lib included, extract it and ./skype it. that one runs far better than the deb binary |
| 16:10.51 | eastwood | stoned, what version do you have? |
| 16:10.54 | zam-aliphe | how to get the X11/Xaw/Text.h and X11/Xaw/AsciiText.h ? |
| 16:10.54 | stew | stauki: what version of debian are you running? what is the error you are getting, and with what kernel version/ |
| 16:10.56 | stoned | I dunno |
| 16:11.06 | eastwood | i neved had the problems with the binary versions |
| 16:11.13 | stauki | stew: Debian GNU/Linux testing "Etch" - Official Snapshot i386 |
| 16:11.25 | tkup | can anyone help? :) |
| 16:11.30 | stoned | eastwood, frequent sound problems |
| 16:11.31 | junix-other | stoned: did you see it? |
| 16:11.41 | stoned | junix, waiting for it to load |
| 16:12.02 | junix-other | k |
| 16:12.26 | Luckys | stew, for the monitor characteristics , it says to I selected LCD, now it says if medium it'll say resolution 800X600 @85Hz, mine is 17" monitor, operating at 1440x900, should I specify the advanced options, but then what H sync /V refresh i'll specify |
| 16:12.55 | simon23 | jelly-home: thanks for your help, i even tried apt-get install skype-static |
| 16:13.02 | jelly-home | simon23: that should unpack the deb and fix the Depends line, then repack it again. |
| 16:13.34 | eastwood | Luckys, check in your brand site for the correct frequencies |
| 16:13.42 | eastwood | i have mines configured |
| 16:13.43 | simon23 | jelly-home: okay - thank you very much ! I will try so... |
| 16:14.01 | Luckys | eastwood, it's under VMWare I'm installing |
| 16:14.18 | stoned | junix-other, what did you do? |
| 16:14.40 | junix-other | exactly what you sent me from dpkg |
| 16:14.49 | stoned | ok |
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| 16:15.16 | jelly-home | simon23: or edit DEBIAN/control yourself and replace libqt3c102-mt with libqt3-mt |
| 16:15.19 | stoned | I had the exact same problem one time |
| 16:15.33 | junix-other | stoned: ok |
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| 16:15.49 | stoned | junix-other, but my memory sucks |
| 16:15.57 | simon23 | jelly-home: okay, thanks. |
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| 16:16.55 | stew | Luckys: you need to put the actual specs for the monitor in. |
| 16:17.03 | stew | Luckys: if you don't know them, look them up. |
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| 16:17.06 | stoned | junix-other, I don't understand where this is from, nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 16:17.12 | itchi | ooohhhh, my old diabolic app (Academy Service 1 & 2) to learn English would work with wine :-( |
| 16:17.14 | Luckys | stew, even within VMWare? |
| 16:17.23 | stew | Luckys: yes |
| 16:17.25 | itchi | would not |
| 16:17.49 | itchi | And like you see it ^^ i _need_ it :-) |
| 16:17.55 | simon23 | jelly-home: do you use debian stable? |
| 16:18.06 | stew | Luckys: if the monitor is digitally connected (laptop or dvi) then you can often edit the config file by hand and remove the sync rates and have them auto-detected |
| 16:18.24 | jelly-home | simon23: some etch/sid mixture. |
| 16:18.39 | Luckys | stew, I'm on laptop as I said |
| 16:18.53 | simon23 | what kind of skype do you use ? |
| 16:19.06 | Luckys | stew, I selected the medium option and again on startx same error no screens found |
| 16:19.11 | stoned | junix-other, you did the nvidia one liner after official nvidia drivers, so I dunno what you did. I can however suggest apt-get --purge remove nvidia* and try to build it again with module assistant |
| 16:19.48 | jelly-home | simon23: dunno, I downloaded it a while ago. the package is called skype_1.2.0.18-1_i386.deb |
| 16:19.48 | stew | Luckys: put your /var/log/Xfre86.0.log and your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 into a pastebin |
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| 16:20.49 | rvgate | anyone uses skype? somehow im unable to login on skype, could be becouse i've got a strong password, and the password field doesn't allow one of these: !@#$%^&*()... anyone has troubles with this aswell? |
| 16:21.09 | stoned | nope, I can login fine |
| 16:21.13 | jelly-home | simon23: did that one-lines create a skype_*deb in the current directory? |
| 16:21.13 | stoned | I'm logged in right now |
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| 16:22.03 | rvgate | stoned: when you re-enter your password, can you use !@#$ ? |
| 16:22.27 | stoned | oh man |
| 16:22.33 | stoned | you gonna make me get up and walk to the other room? |
| 16:22.39 | junix-other | stoned: ok |
| 16:22.43 | stoned | I'll check later, I'm rolling stuff |
| 16:22.53 | rvgate | stoned: well, you sayd you could :P |
| 16:22.56 | stoned | :) |
| 16:22.58 | Luckys | stew, I don't have smb installed, or it'll be there |
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| 16:23.12 | Luckys | else how do I transfer the files from the guest system to the host |
| 16:23.21 | stoned | rvgate, at least it SHOULD be logged in |
| 16:23.22 | itchi | stoned: Shake you're ass ;-) |
| 16:23.26 | stoned | unless server has errors |
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| 16:23.43 | stew | Luckys: huh? what does smb have to do with anything? |
| 16:23.43 | itchi | stoned: :-) |
| 16:23.49 | rvgate | lol @ stone |
| 16:23.49 | rvgate | d |
| 16:23.51 | mrkris | might I ask what you all use to rip dvd's to avi/mpeg's |
| 16:24.00 | jelly-home | Luckys: ftp, scp, web, tar + nc? What OS is the host? |
| 16:24.15 | Luckys | jelly-home, windows XP |
| 16:24.18 | compDo | After an upgrade of my Etch system, my printer does not print anymode. When I send a file to the printer with "lpr FILE", the job is put into the printer queue but not printed. Any ideas what's wrong? |
| 16:24.50 | Alam_Debian | CUPS 1.2, it don't seems to able to load any of my printer driver too |
| 16:24.58 | jelly-home | Luckys: do you have sshd running on guest? you can use pscp or winscp then. |
| 16:25.33 | stoned | mrkris, I need to do that too, I have not looked into it yet, but dvd::rip is great i hear |
| 16:25.47 | Luckys | jelly-home, I don't think so |
| 16:26.09 | stoned | ur wutg nokater abd nebcider |
| 16:26.15 | stoned | doh, or with mplayer and mencoder |
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| 16:26.31 | itchi | mrkris: dvdrip, acidrip, qvamps, k9copy (not in repo! see http://repos.knio.it/ and download the deb). You can also use dvdshrink under wine |
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| 16:26.50 | mrkris | awesome, i'll take a look, thanks itchi |
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| 16:27.18 | jelly-home | Luckys: do you have internet connectivity on guest? install samba or something. |
| 16:27.43 | Luckys | jelly-home, that would require again to configure the internet first :( |
| 16:27.49 | simon23 | jelly-home: maybe you would like to know,... i found that package and a threat referring to that problem in a forum - here's the link: http://forum.skype.com/viewtopic.php?t=38474&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=c97247e05ba7abf87c3696a3eb51ad43 |
| 16:28.35 | junix-other | stoned: no good |
| 16:28.38 | T5 | does anybody know if sarge runs on an sgi octane? i cant find a clue on the website if this special machine works with the mips port |
| 16:28.53 | jelly-home | simon23: Know about that, unfortunately there's no newer version for Linux. Or is there? |
| 16:28.56 | junix-other | stoned: MEGATRON:/home/andrew# modprobe nvidia |
| 16:28.57 | junix-other | fatal: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
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| 16:29.27 | simon23 | the link i sended has a link inside ,.... there is a fixed package... |
| 16:29.29 | stoned | junix-other, so compiling it didn't give you errors? |
| 16:29.29 | rvgate | stoned, could you please take a look? |
| 16:29.32 | rvgate | :) |
| 16:29.43 | stoned | rvgate, at what? |
| 16:29.46 | rvgate | stoned: you'll need a brake anyway |
| 16:29.47 | calmar | cool, showkey shows the numbers of the keypresses in the console :) |
| 16:29.57 | rvgate | stoned: at the skype thingy |
| 16:30.13 | stoned | yeh sure, gimme a minute to finish rolling :) |
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| 16:30.23 | rvgate | alright, thx |
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| 16:31.13 | jelly-home | simon23: oh. we'll that's about exactly what I did. |
| 16:31.14 | junix-other | stoned: not really |
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| 16:31.16 | junix-other | i'll pastebin |
| 16:31.20 | jelly-home | s/we'll/well/ |
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| 16:31.53 | simon23 | jelly-home: I guess ther will be more users out there who didnt find that link,.... |
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| 16:32.44 | simon23 | jelly-home: anyway - not very good that the skype people dont care much about linux users... but at least you dont have to pay for it,... |
| 16:33.09 | stoned | jelly-home, maybe... apt-get install gcc-3.4 && export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 and then try to recompile it again, 3.4 being an example, or try 3.5, I dunno what was used to compile your kernel. |
| 16:33.25 | jelly-home | stoned: NOT ME! |
| 16:33.28 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 16:33.29 | stoned | jelly-home, sory |
| 16:33.30 | stoned | !! |
| 16:33.31 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 16:33.31 | stoned | hehe |
| 16:33.38 | stoned | junix-other, ^^ |
| 16:33.47 | eastwood | spanish :P |
| 16:33.51 | simon23 | jelly-home: as far as I know there is no real alternative for that... I 've heard about gnomemeeting.... but that (as I 've read somewhere) doesnt work good and has to be compiled from source. |
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| 16:34.12 | jelly-home | simon23: I wonder if Skype would work well under Wine. |
| 16:34.13 | junix-other | stoned: ?? i'm paste bin'ing it |
| 16:34.38 | mrkris | itchi: where is acidrip located? |
| 16:35.08 | itchi | david@moon:~$ apt-cache search acidrip |
| 16:35.08 | itchi | acidrip - ripping and encoding DVD tool using mplayer and mencoder |
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| 16:35.38 | itchi | mrkris: non-free ?? |
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| 16:36.01 | simon23 | jelly-home: .... i wonder too :-) will try out when I can mount my winXP partition... |
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| 16:36.25 | Luckys | wget worked :) jelly-home download samba... |
| 16:36.34 | eastwood | maverick@heavyloader:/mnt/windows/Program Files/Skype/Phone$ wine Skype.exe |
| 16:36.36 | jlaw | heyho ... is there a way to monitor the activity of the ftpd ? |
| 16:36.52 | Luckys | jelly-home, its always better to install in the /usr directory? |
| 16:36.54 | eastwood | jlaw, checking the access log ? |
| 16:37.12 | junix-other | stoned: still pastebin-iong |
| 16:37.16 | rvgate | itchi, what should i try now? :) |
| 16:37.21 | mrkris | itchi: correct, not seein it :( |
| 16:37.23 | jlaw | eastwood, no i want to know ho is accessing it at which speeds |
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| 16:37.42 | stoned | haha |
| 16:37.43 | simon23 | jelly-home: ....just tried. |
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| 16:37.53 | stoned | cool, I still have 7$ in my skype account |
| 16:37.54 | simon23 | jelly-home: ....didnt run at all ! |
| 16:37.57 | itchi | rvgate: I have not good follow here, i listen to music, wath tv, computing, googling :-) |
| 16:37.58 | stoned | rvgate, I can log in |
| 16:38.12 | stoned | now Im up and walking about, so ask me what you need to ask me before I flop down |
| 16:38.19 | rvgate | stoned: do you use special characters? |
| 16:38.28 | stoned | in my password? no |
| 16:38.31 | rvgate | stoned: like $$!@#% |
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| 16:38.50 | rvgate | stoned: becouse i cant fill those in at the password field |
| 16:38.58 | stoned | let me try |
| 16:39.06 | stoned | whats your account into? |
| 16:39.10 | stoned | AHAHa, got ya |
| 16:39.12 | rvgate | ha ! |
| 16:39.12 | stoned | brb |
| 16:39.14 | rvgate | nice try |
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| 16:40.22 | stoned | rvgate, strange behaviour on that |
| 16:40.27 | RobHu | Could someone please help me? I'm using testing and I've installed nfs-kernel-server but /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server stops when it gets to the bit where it runs rpc.mountd... if I run rpc.mountd manually its fine, but obviously I need it to work when it reboots etc :/ Running rpc.mountd with the same command (it uses start-stop-server) doesnt return any errors. I'm at a loss as to what to do next. |
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| 16:40.33 | stoned | I can enter !@# but then I can't enter ANYTHING else |
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| 16:40.47 | jelly-home | !@# that |
| 16:40.50 | stoned | RvGaTe, if I go alphanumeric first and then use *%& I can, but other than that, no |
| 16:40.51 | RvGaTe | stoned: well, no strong passwords for me then :( |
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| 16:41.18 | stoned | ok |
| 16:41.22 | stoned | no more walking around |
| 16:41.29 | RvGaTe | you getting tired? |
| 16:41.34 | RvGaTe | haha |
| 16:41.35 | jlaw | anyone an idea about how to monitor the current accesses and speeds of the ftpd? |
| 16:41.38 | bnovc | i've tried installing oracle-xe and when i run the configure i get a stall at "Configuring Database..." |
| 16:41.46 | stoned | look man, I just woke up, I have not indulged in my substances yet |
| 16:42.18 | RvGaTe | stoned: well, get up, run a few laps around the house... you should be awake by then :D fitness to ! |
| 16:42.24 | RobHu | jlaw: Rig something up to rrd maybe? |
| 16:42.29 | stoned | RvGaTe, you wanna talk to me on skype? |
| 16:42.30 | stoned | hehe |
| 16:42.35 | m0dular | yo |
| 16:42.39 | RvGaTe | stoned: sure, i can login :P |
| 16:42.49 | RvGaTe | stoned: IF i can login |
| 16:43.00 | jlaw | RobHu ... rrd? |
| 16:43.16 | stoned | lol |
| 16:43.28 | stoned | RvGaTe, you can't go thier site and changne your pssword |
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| 16:43.31 | junix-other | stoned: http://pastebin.com/725674 |
| 16:43.32 | RobHu | jlaw: Its a tool for storing data simply and graphing it http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/ ... you still need to get the data somehow though :-) |
| 16:43.43 | RobHu | jlaw: I can imagine doing it with netfilter |
| 16:43.52 | RobHu | jlaw: but thats probably too heavy weight a solution |
| 16:44.17 | jlaw | RobHu ... at least it is an idea^^ thx for the hints |
| 16:44.42 | RobHu | jlaw: Np... I mean the problem is getting the stats you want out of it ... have you looked at Cacti? Some scripts may already exist |
| 16:44.56 | RobHu | jlaw: http://www.cacti.net/ |
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| 16:45.06 | stoned | RvGaTe, try and login I need to test if my headset works or not |
| 16:45.39 | jlaw | RobHu ... rrd has python bindings ... i think that is all i need (beside some time) |
| 16:45.57 | stoned | junix-other, pastebin is still trying to load |
| 16:46.09 | junix-other | wtf is with pastebin today? |
| 16:46.13 | RvGaTe | stoned: same here, but i cant login... yet... |
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| 16:46.51 | jlaw | RobHu, cacti seems to be a good solution, thx |
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| 16:47.54 | eastwood | stoned, can you test with me? |
| 16:48.01 | stoned | junix-other, and it gives an error on modprobe nvidia? |
| 16:48.17 | stoned | eastwood, ok |
| 16:48.20 | junix-other | stoned: MEGATRON:/home/andrew# modprobe nvidia |
| 16:48.20 | junix-other | fatal: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 16:48.58 | Luckys | do i untar samba /usr/bin? |
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| 16:49.02 | stoned | junix-other, what debian release are you using? |
| 16:49.11 | junix-other | unstable |
| 16:50.07 | RvGaTe | stoned: went to the skype website, i should get an email with a new password |
| 16:50.15 | wotdu | in which package comes smblookup ? |
| 16:50.46 | Luckys | ? |
| 16:51.01 | Thrae | Is there any way you can grab information on your monitor if it doesn't support eide? |
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| 16:51.06 | RvGaTe | stoned: ok, im in, could you pm me your skype account? |
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| 16:51.27 | eastwood | stoned, you ready? |
| 16:51.29 | stoned | junix-other, remove this /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.15-1-686_1.0.8762-2+2.6.15-8_i386.deb, change to a higer gcc version and try again, I think that is what the problem might be, make sure you have all the nvidia packages instaleld. I know i had this problem, same one, and I can't remember how I fixed it, I use sid too |
| 16:51.58 | junix-other | stoned: ok... |
| 16:51.58 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just performed a clean install of Debian and installed kernel 2.6.16 from unstable - but a new entry is not made in Grub - what do I do ? |
| 16:51.59 | junix-other | weird |
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| 16:52.42 | junix-other | stoned: i have either gcc-3.3 or 4.0.4 |
| 16:52.44 | stoned | I remeber the problem too, you could build the module, but couldn't mod probe it, after words I could moprobe it, but being the wrong gcc version it would crap out on ome |
| 16:52.46 | cahoot | Thrae: you tried hwinfo without luck? |
| 16:53.05 | stew | Jemt: run "update-grub" but wait, what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: ? |
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| 16:53.18 | Jemt | stew: Let me just check :) |
| 16:53.26 | stew | Jemt: and the same for "apt-cache policy grub" |
| 16:53.50 | Luckys | stew, generally I'd would install or untar any software in the /usr directory? |
| 16:54.07 | stew | Luckys: /usr/local or /opt. what are you installing? |
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| 16:54.21 | Luckys | stew, untar samba |
| 16:54.32 | Luckys | I'm root now |
| 16:54.37 | stew | Luckys: huh? why are you installing samba from source instead of "apt-get install samba"? |
| 16:54.54 | Luckys | oh! |
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| 16:56.50 | Jemt | stew: Result should be available here : www.powerzone.dk/res |
| 16:57.18 | Jemt | stew: Btw - update-grub does not seem to exist |
| 16:57.35 | Thrae | cahoot: Nope, that didn't give me anything about my monitors. |
| 16:57.38 | Jemt | stew: I just tryed 'update-gru<tab>' - it didn't finish the command |
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| 16:57.59 | stew | Jemt: do you have the grub package installed? what about lilo? what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 16:57.59 | du | i need your help debian man |
| 16:58.26 | Luckys | installed, how do I check samba is running or not |
| 16:58.30 | du | i installed ppp but ifconfig says me that only eth0 and lo are running,why? |
| 16:58.38 | jlaw | anybody an idea why this occurs? ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 16:58.39 | Luckys | I can't find any smbclient here how do I sent to windows |
| 16:58.43 | Jemt | stew: When I installed the kernel, it told me to run /sbin/lilo - but I am using Grub. /sbin/lilo exists though |
| 16:58.57 | Jemt | stew: How can I check the version ? |
| 16:58.59 | junix-other | stoned: FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 16:59.11 | du | can anyone help me please :( |
| 16:59.22 | itchi | I'm near my first 'Happy bye bye Windows' on my server :-) How can i know on which date i have install it ? |
| 16:59.26 | stew | Jemt: "apt-cache policy libc6 grub" look at the Installed: lines |
| 16:59.45 | du | damn...i'll never solve my problem though |
| 17:00.09 | jpinto | Hi, how can one set a timeout to receive sshd auth's from a specific ip after 3 failed attempts? |
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| 17:00.27 | fir3st0rm | Stevie: hi, i read your nick in a log about getting a realtek network card (8119) to work. i'd like to know if you found a solution. |
| 17:00.34 | jpinto | (trying my luck here....) |
| 17:00.43 | stew | jpinto: look at the "fail2ban" package |
| 17:00.53 | jpinto | hm.. ok, thanks StereoSkit |
| 17:00.58 | jpinto | hm.. ok, thanks stew |
| 17:01.00 | jpinto | :) |
| 17:01.03 | Jemt | stew: www.powerzone.dk/res |
| 17:01.09 | du | how can i run ppp??? |
| 17:01.20 | Luckys | how do I transfer files from smb |
| 17:01.37 | stew | jpinto: if you are on sarge, download the deb from http://packages.debian.org/fail2ban and dpkg -i it, normally installing testing/unstable packages on sarge is a bad idea, but this one is ok becuase it is just a simple python script |
| 17:01.42 | du | i have an absolute need to run ppp |
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| 17:01.52 | Jemt | stew: By the way - I have installed the unstable kernel - but I'm running 'testing' on everything else |
| 17:01.57 | stew | Jemt: why are you sending my that link? |
| 17:02.18 | Jemt | stew: It contains the result (text) of the command you wanted me to execute |
| 17:02.23 | stew | Jemt: no it doesn't |
| 17:02.28 | Jemt | stew: I'm in irssi - not easy to cut'n'paste |
| 17:02.34 | Jemt | stew: It dosn't ? |
| 17:02.37 | Jemt | stew: Sec |
| 17:02.43 | jpinto | thank you stew |
| 17:02.48 | itchi | Jemt: copy and paste :-) |
| 17:03.46 | Jemt | itchi: :p |
| 17:03.52 | Jemt | stew: powerzone.dk/result1.txt |
| 17:03.56 | Jemt | stew: Should work now |
| 17:04.09 | WoodyWoodpecker | Luckys: Look at following packages and rtfm: smb{fs,-client,get} |
| 17:04.11 | junix-other | stoned: ?? |
| 17:04.16 | stew | Jemt: are you sure you use grub? you don't have it installed |
| 17:04.33 | Jemt | stew: It says "Grub" when I turn on my PC :) |
| 17:04.48 | stew | Jemt: apt-get install grub && update-grub |
| 17:04.53 | Jemt | stew: Ok |
| 17:04.54 | itchi | Could you imagine, my gateway server, near an year of running Stable now. And no one trouble :-) |
| 17:05.12 | simon23 | jelly-home: can you run skype parallel with other audio apps ? |
| 17:05.16 | WoodyWoodpecker | Jemt: You got /sbin/grub? |
| 17:05.22 | stew | Jemt: after that, make sure that "update-grub" is listed in the preinst and postinst lines in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 17:05.26 | itchi | I mean Sarge :-/ |
| 17:05.26 | Jemt | stew: It seems that it found both my kernels :D |
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| 17:05.40 | Jemt | stew: O.O Eh, ok - what is it ? |
| 17:06.01 | WoodyWoodpecker | Jemt: That is what the comand is thought for. |
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| 17:06.04 | stew | Jemt: it will make sure update-grub is run for you when you install or remove kernels |
| 17:06.19 | Jemt | stew: Oh, ok. It is already in the file :) |
| 17:06.28 | WoodyWoodpecker | Jemt: Or configure /boo/grub/menu.lst manually. |
| 17:06.29 | Jemt | WoodyWoodpecker: Thanks |
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| 17:06.32 | Jemt | Yea |
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| 17:06.46 | Jemt | stew & WoodyWoodpecker: BRB - rebooting into my new kernel |
| 17:06.50 | stew | Jemt: and you are no longer on testing, you are on unstable |
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| 17:10.25 | junix-other | stoned: well waht the fuck!!!! |
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| 17:13.38 | junix-other | stoned: now if i could get my box to stop locking up on me this would be awsome |
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| 17:13.46 | stoned | brb man |
| 17:13.51 | stoned | i got my own problems |
| 17:13.51 | junix-other | k |
| 17:13.55 | junix-other | understand |
| 17:14.00 | Luckys__ | there is no dpkg for smbclient? |
| 17:14.15 | wotdu | there is |
| 17:14.18 | wotdu | its called smbclient |
| 17:14.26 | sargeur | hello there. How can I send msg stuck in exim spool dir to foor@bar.com? |
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| 17:14.48 | Luckys__ | wotdu, so it'd be dpkg-reconfigure install smbclient? |
| 17:14.49 | halibut | how can I monitor all traffic going through my hardware router? |
| 17:15.12 | dn4 | http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&forumid=74&threadid=353306 |
| 17:15.22 | wotdu | Luckys__: apt-get install smbclient |
| 17:15.50 | Luckys__ | says no installation candidate |
| 17:15.53 | dn4 | Title: BT - Force of Gravity (Ross n Friends Loving Memory Mix) - tranceaddict Forums (at www.tranceaddict.com) |
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| 17:16.20 | zamaliphe | how to install Berkeley DB >= 3 and <= 4.1 ? what is the name of the pkg ? |
| 17:16.22 | wotdu | try: apt-get update |
| 17:16.29 | wotdu | and check your sources.list |
| 17:16.34 | abrotman | zamaliphe: apt-cache search libdb |
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| 17:17.34 | Luckys__ | wotdu, same |
| 17:17.38 | Luckys__ | even after update |
| 17:17.53 | Luckys__ | no installation candidate |
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| 17:18.23 | WoodyWoodpecker | apt-get install smbfs smb-client |
| 17:18.26 | WoodyWoodpecker | Where is the prob? |
| 17:18.29 | zamaliphe | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:18.33 | rmbrain | Would anyone recommend running Debian Sarge on a iBook G4 |
| 17:19.32 | Luckys__ | WoodyWoodpecker, could not find smbfs package |
| 17:19.35 | abrotman | rmbrain: sure .. why not? ask #debianppc |
| 17:19.47 | WoodyWoodpecker | Luckys_: yes |
| 17:20.03 | Luckys__ | WoodyWoodpecker, ? |
| 17:20.08 | abrotman | !search |
| 17:20.08 | dpkg | search is probably try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 17:20.47 | Luckys__ | I downloaded smbclient .deb package though |
| 17:21.14 | WoodyWoodpecker | Luckys_: Do this by using a dpkg frontend like the apt-suite |
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| 17:21.37 | Luckys__ | WoodyWoodpecker, you mean installing the downloaded package? |
| 17:22.08 | WoodyWoodpecker | Or aptitude or something other than dpkg (at least if you don't know wth you are doing). |
| 17:22.08 | WoodyWoodpecker | The download package? |
| 17:22.11 | WoodyWoodpecker | Read the man about apt-get |
| 17:22.40 | Luckys__ | WoodyWoodpecker, there is no package found for smbfs when doing apt-get install smbfs smb-client |
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| 17:23.15 | itchi | Luckys_: Try first an search ?? apt-cache search smb |
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| 17:24.13 | Luckys__ | itchi, it shows lib smbclient, mc, samba and samba-common |
| 17:24.50 | abrotman | !find smbfs sarge |
| 17:25.00 | abrotman | IIRC .. smbfs is a kernel module .. should already be there |
| 17:25.13 | abrotman | smbclient is different .. and is a package |
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| 17:26.11 | Luckys__ | so I do dpkg-reconfigure smbclient.....deb? |
| 17:26.17 | abrotman | to do .. what? |
| 17:26.38 | Luckys__ | abrotman, i downloaded the smbclient package |
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| 17:26.48 | Brox | i added a user just for pureftp and when i go to my ftp via ftp://user:pwd@ftpsite i get his home directory. But there is a link leading to the parent directory - how to remove it? |
| 17:26.51 | abrotman | Luckys__: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:27.08 | abrotman | Brox: it will probably always be there .. but you can try to chroot the user |
| 17:27.22 | Luckys__ | abrotman, I installed samba I need to transfer files to my host OS winXP |
| 17:27.31 | Luckys__ | abrotman, how do I do that |
| 17:27.39 | abrotman | using smbclient |
| 17:28.03 | Luckys__ | abrotman, ok, now I don't have smbclient, what do i do |
| 17:28.10 | abrotman | install it? |
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| 17:28.23 | rmbrain | Which is more stable? Unstable or testing? |
| 17:28.32 | azeem | rmbrain: depends |
| 17:28.37 | abrotman | rmbrain: stable :) |
| 17:28.43 | Netcad | How important is it to give a potential employer a single page resume as opposed to a two-page resume? |
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| 17:28.49 | rmbrain | azeem, would you recommend that i use only stable or can i use unstable or testing as well |
| 17:28.54 | abrotman | rmbrain: they both break .. usually testing breaks less severely .. but for longer |
| 17:28.55 | Luckys__ | abrotman, ok, to install it I downloaded the package, so can I install it by using dpkg-reconfigure smbclient*.deb |
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| 17:29.03 | abrotman | rmbrain: do NOT mix |
| 17:29.11 | abrotman | Luckys__: apt-get install smbclient |
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| 17:29.58 | Luckys__ | abrotman, its' package smbclint has no installation candidate |
| 17:30.09 | abrotman | smbclient .. |
| 17:30.15 | abrotman | Luckys__: paste your sources somewhere |
| 17:30.18 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:30.18 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:30.27 | Luckys__ | damn |
| 17:30.41 | abrotman | smbclient is available in every version of debian currently |
| 17:30.47 | Luckys__ | abrotman, thats the whole point, to paste I need to transfer the files to my host! |
| 17:30.57 | GTX | How do I install unrar on my server? |
| 17:31.01 | stew | Luckys__: you don't have web access from the machine you are trying to install on? |
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| 17:31.15 | Luckys__ | stew, I'm able to do wget |
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| 17:31.18 | abrotman | Luckys__: you have no internet from the debian box ? |
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| 17:31.45 | stew | Luckys__: install w3m ; and w3m http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 17:32.08 | stew | Luckys__: or instead of w3m use any other text browser like lynx links2 elinks... |
| 17:32.09 | Luckys__ | stew, apt-get install w3m ? |
| 17:32.13 | stew | Luckys__: yes |
| 17:32.20 | MatBoy | When someone has installed a eggdrop under a apacheuser that has no login set. It is possible for them to become root ? |
| 17:32.30 | abrotman | i want to know why `apt-get install smbclient` doesn't work |
| 17:32.49 | GTX | Guys, how do I install the unrar command on ubuntu I could type apt-get install unrar |
| 17:32.52 | Luckys__ | stew, so w3m or lynx? |
| 17:32.56 | abrotman | GTX: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:33.01 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 17:33.05 | abrotman | !tell gtx about unrar |
| 17:33.08 | GTX | abrotman, im not on ubuntu anymore |
| 17:33.14 | stew | Luckys__: yes |
| 17:33.28 | Luckys__ | stew, w3m? |
| 17:33.35 | GTX | <dpkg> abrotman wants you to know: [unrar] a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 17:33.42 | GTX | abrotman, that doesnt tell me how to install it |
| 17:33.45 | abrotman | !tell gtx about unrar-free |
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| 17:34.04 | abrotman | !tell gtx about non-free |
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| 17:34.17 | stew | Luckys__: sure |
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| 17:34.45 | jelly-home | simon23: no. and you have to have oss emulation. |
| 17:34.59 | abrotman | MatBoy: yes |
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| 17:35.12 | MatBoy | abrotman, how ? |
| 17:35.14 | abrotman | MatBoy: it is possible .. i don't know your situaton .. but it is possible |
| 17:35.26 | abrotman | MatBoy: they apparently got an eggdrop installed on your box .. who knows what else they did |
| 17:35.31 | stew | MatBoy: /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 17:35.35 | GTX | thanks abauer |
| 17:35.37 | GTX | abrotman, * |
| 17:35.43 | MatBoy | abrotman, OK, because off course this is nowhere to find on google |
| 17:36.35 | MatBoy | abrotman, installed a bittorent-server on it |
| 17:37.12 | Luckys__ | stew, which files you asked to uploaded ? |
| 17:37.37 | stew | Luckys__: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 17:38.12 | stew | Luckys__: however if smbclient wasn't installable you may have bigger problems |
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| 17:38.14 | simon23 | jelly-home: well... havent got skype parallel with other soundAPPs ... have heard that runs with artsdsp -m skype ... |
| 17:38.19 | simon23 | bye.... |
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| 17:39.31 | stoned | I just got skype working |
| 17:39.36 | stoned | talking to RvGaTe now |
| 17:39.36 | stoned | hehe |
| 17:39.41 | Luckys__ | stew, there is only /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.beforevmwaretoolsinstall file :( |
| 17:39.41 | stoned | damn mic broke |
| 17:39.53 | Luckys__ | I mean no /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 17:40.17 | problematico | Hi all! |
| 17:40.46 | stew | Luckys__: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 then follow the instructions in /msg dpkg xmd5 ; then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:40.53 | MatBoy | abrotman, hard to check I think ? I have find some more about it... it happens a lot wih servers that run a specific php-file |
| 17:41.02 | abrotman | awstats |
| 17:41.02 | stew | Luckys__: if you dont have a /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 you will not be able to start x |
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| 17:41.17 | stew | MatBoy: what kernel is that machine running? |
| 17:41.29 | problematico | I've a little doubt I couldn't find googling |
| 17:41.30 | stew | MatBoy: like, what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:41.50 | problematico | I don't know how to declare Network Alias on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:42.07 | stew | problematico: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz has examples |
| 17:42.08 | problematico | I put them as "iface blah blah ethX:X" |
| 17:42.18 | problematico | I put them as "iface blah blah ethX : X" |
| 17:42.24 | RvGaTe | anouncement: talking to stoned on skype, and yes, HE IS STONED |
| 17:42.56 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: aren't we glad to know. |
| 17:43.03 | problematico | stew: Let me take a look |
| 17:43.05 | abrotman | problematico: iface ethX:X inet (static|dhcp) |
| 17:43.25 | nut543 | Where can I find statistics on how many debian packages are -doc and -src and -... |
| 17:43.39 | problematico | abrotman: I did that :( |
| 17:43.53 | abrotman | so what makes you think it didn't work ? |
| 17:44.18 | stoned | lol |
| 17:44.22 | stew | problematico: show us what you actually have in there |
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| 17:44.25 | problematico | abrotman: they doesn't appear when I do ifconfig -a |
| 17:44.29 | problematico | Ok |
| 17:44.36 | stew | problematico: ifup ethX;X |
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| 17:45.03 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:45.04 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 17:45.53 | problematico | I know, I know |
| 17:46.43 | Jemt | Hi again. I have just reinstalled Debian again. I'm now going to upgrade to kernel 2.6.16 from Unstable - but it says it will remove Grub and Hotplug. How can I prevent this? |
| 17:46.59 | abrotman | Jemt: why are you doing this? |
| 17:47.03 | Vasistha | Jemt: are you using aptitude? |
| 17:47.22 | Jemt | abrotman: Doing what? Upgrading to a newer kernel? I need proper CPU Scaling support |
| 17:47.27 | Jemt | Vasistha: Nope |
| 17:47.30 | stew | Jemt: you want hotplug and not udev? |
| 17:47.32 | Jemt | Vasistha: apt-get :) |
| 17:47.33 | abrotman | Jemt: have you tried backports.org ? |
| 17:47.40 | stew | Jemt: what cpu do you have? |
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| 17:47.49 | stew | Jemt: you are running stable now or testing? |
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| 17:47.56 | Jemt | stew: Pentium M |
| 17:48.06 | Jemt | abrotman: Nope, havn't tryed it |
| 17:48.15 | stew | Jemt: you don't need 2.6.16 for frequency scaling on a pentium m |
| 17:48.19 | Jemt | stew: If udev is better, then no :) |
| 17:48.27 | abrotman | someone gave him that idea .. no idea who though |
| 17:48.36 | stew | Jemt: are you on stable or testing? |
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| 17:48.44 | Jemt | stew: Oh, sorry, I know. I need 2.6.16 in order to get my USB Key to work |
| 17:48.50 | abrotman | you do? |
| 17:48.51 | dbe | how do I stop a file to be executed at boot if It use "update-rc.d somefile defaults 20" ? |
| 17:48.51 | Jemt | stew: MoDaX found out :) |
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| 17:49.18 | Jemt | stew: It has something to do with how < 2.6.16 handles partition tables |
| 17:49.21 | stew | Jemt: are you running stable or testing? |
| 17:49.38 | Jemt | stew: I'm running testing - only the kernel is from Unstable - works fine |
| 17:49.42 | dbe | how do I unload "update-rc.d somefile defaults 20" ? |
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| 17:49.57 | asg | dbe: update-rc.d(8) (read the REMOVING SCRIPTS bit) |
| 17:49.58 | Vasistha | !repeat |
| 17:49.58 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:50.01 | stew | Jemt: previously when you said you were running testing you were actually running unstable. have you reinstalled since then? |
| 17:50.04 | dbe | asg, ok |
| 17:50.14 | stoned | skype crashed |
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| 17:50.36 | Jemt | stew: I have always been running 'testing' - but repos might still have been pointing to unstable |
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| 17:50.57 | Jemt | stew: It is ONLY the kernel (+ dependencies) that are fetched from Unstable |
| 17:51.18 | stew | Jemt: and one of the dependencies is libc6 which is not really a minor thing |
| 17:51.27 | Jemt | stew: Oh, I see |
| 17:51.30 | Luckys__ | stew, I can't believe it, it ON!!!!! |
| 17:51.47 | Jemt | stew: Well, previously I upgraded from 2.4.x to 2.6.8 and then to 2.8.16 - that worked great |
| 17:51.48 | asg | stew: you turning people on again? |
| 17:51.54 | Jemt | stew: Maybe I should just do that again ? |
| 17:52.00 | Luckys__ | stew, the problem was there was no XF86onfig-4 file at all |
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| 17:52.19 | abrotman | !qotd139 |
| 17:52.20 | dpkg | somebody said qotd139 was <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
| 17:52.21 | stew | Jemt: we'd recommend you run stable + 2.6.16 from backports, you shouldn't be running unstable |
| 17:52.25 | Luckys__ | stew, just the one XF86Config-4.BeforeVMWareToolsInstall |
| 17:52.30 | stew | abrotman: heh, i was thinking of that too |
| 17:52.41 | Jemt | stew: Fine by me - as long as it is kernel > 2.6.15 :) |
| 17:52.45 | Luckys__ | stew, thank you very much for your patience |
| 17:52.51 | stew | Luckys__: you're welcom |
| 17:52.54 | abrotman | stew: i couldn't help it |
| 17:52.54 | stew | Jemt: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:52.55 | Jemt | stew: Can you point me to a mirror ? I don't have a browser installed |
| 17:52.59 | Jemt | stew: Thx |
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| 17:53.58 | Jemt | stew: Any chance you can find a mirror for me to add? |
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| 17:54.04 | stew | !stable 2.6.16 is <reply> if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org |
| 17:54.04 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 17:55.04 | Jemt | stew: Ok, I'll install a console browser - hopefully that can display the page :) |
| 17:55.10 | stoned | does anyone know the name of this minimal but really powerful x based text editor called nvedit or something or nv something |
| 17:55.14 | stoned | I can't recall its name |
| 17:55.20 | Maulkin | nvi |
| 17:55.25 | abrotman | Maulkin: not funny |
| 17:55.30 | jjazz | nedit? |
| 17:55.31 | Maulkin | abrotman: Aww :) |
| 17:55.43 | stoned | no |
| 17:55.46 | stoned | wait |
| 17:55.48 | abrotman | Maulkin: that's like saying emacs is a great OS :) |
| 17:55.50 | eastwood | nv? i just know the driver |
| 17:56.02 | stew | ewps |
| 17:56.03 | stoned | i think nedit might be it |
| 17:56.03 | Maulkin | abrotman: It is. Unfortunately, it lacks a decent text editor |
| 17:56.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:56.11 | stoned | yup |
| 17:56.12 | stoned | thats the one |
| 17:56.13 | stoned | nedit |
| 17:56.14 | jjazz | stoned: nedit is a power x-based text editor |
| 17:56.20 | stoned | yup |
| 17:56.23 | stoned | thats the one I was looking for |
| 17:56.49 | jjazz | stoned: If you want power, though, emacs is your bet. |
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| 17:56.59 | stoned | i like nedit |
| 17:57.13 | abrotman | so much so... that he couldn't remember the name |
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| 17:57.33 | jjazz | abrotman: I have the same issue with regard to my girlfriend. |
| 17:57.36 | sticc | why there are no options in kcontrol --> System settings --> Regional settings and accesability? what package i have missed? |
| 17:57.40 | jjazz | She's a patient woman. |
| 17:57.45 | roxy_ | what would be the best option for video call ? I need something usable by Mac user . |
| 17:57.47 | abrotman | jjazz: you can't remember her name? |
| 17:57.58 | du | i need help man |
| 17:58.04 | abrotman | stew: did rachel tell you that i realized last night we went to the only interleague game that boston has lost? |
| 17:58.06 | jjazz | abrotman: it was a joke. I never forget her name. |
| 17:58.10 | du | i have to get run ppp |
| 17:58.12 | abrotman | jjazz: drink more |
| 17:58.17 | du | how can i do it? |
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| 17:58.26 | jjazz | du man man |
| 17:58.29 | stew | abrotman: heh, no |
| 17:58.42 | abrotman | stew: that's pretty sad .. oh well |
| 17:58.44 | abeot | just wondering since i just downloaded and installed kde with aptitude, how to start it? |
| 17:58.45 | du | jjazz, man ppp?it dosen't exist |
| 17:59.03 | du | jjazz, man ppd.. |
| 17:59.05 | du | pppd |
| 17:59.06 | stew | abrotman: i heard poppi hit a big one last night |
| 17:59.18 | jjazz | du: Oh, I was responding to : I need help man... how do I do it. I missed the line in the middle about ppp. |
| 17:59.23 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 17:59.25 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:59.25 | kristalino | wich package gives the "make" software ? |
| 17:59.29 | abrotman | stew: he did .. and they said he's part of a small group that has hit all five of their GSs in the same park |
| 17:59.39 | abrotman | !b-e kristalino |
| 17:59.39 | dpkg | kristalino: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 17:59.41 | du | jjazz, i have to get run ppp |
| 17:59.55 | du | jjazz, because i have to share adsl with cellular phone |
| 18:00.00 | Vasistha | abeot: it kinda depends on how your WM is currently configured. Are you using gnome? Are you using any GUI at all? |
| 18:00.12 | kristalino | abrotman, thanks |
| 18:00.15 | du | jjazz, ifconfig says me that only eth0 and lo are running |
| 18:00.38 | du | jjazz, i think there is not to configure ppp to get it running |
| 18:00.42 | jjazz | du: google is your friend. I haven't run ppp in years, so I can't help you, sorry. |
| 18:00.48 | du | jjazz, ok |
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| 18:01.07 | jjazz | du: btw, there are debian channels in other languages. There might be one in your native tongue. |
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| 18:01.18 | abrotman | jjazz: i think they all moved to OFTC |
| 18:01.28 | abrotman | oh .. guess not |
| 18:01.39 | abeot | Vasistha: WM? what's that? i'm currently using bash, and just installed with aptitude kde, so what i should do to get that graphic os? |
| 18:01.54 | Vasistha | abeot: try startx |
| 18:01.55 | eastwood | abeot, xorg |
| 18:01.57 | du | jjazz, is my english so bad? |
| 18:02.13 | eastwood | yeah, startx |
| 18:02.22 | Vasistha | du: no, your english is fine |
| 18:02.37 | jjazz | du: Not so bad. I can get the gist of what you mean. I just thought you might be more comfortable in your native language. |
| 18:02.51 | Jemt | stew: What do they mean by "recommed you to pick out the backports you need"? As far as I can see, there is only one backport under "instructions" @ www.backports.org (?) |
| 18:03.12 | stew | Jemt: that is just an example, there are lots of backports available |
| 18:03.14 | du | jjazz, you're right..but i don't know where find italian debian irc channel |
| 18:03.15 | Jemt | stew: And I still dosn't understand how Backports can be better than unstable (?) |
| 18:03.22 | Vasistha | Jemt: I believe what they mean is "pick out the PACKAGE you need" |
| 18:03.29 | jjazz | !italian |
| 18:03.30 | dpkg | somebody said italian was per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:03.43 | stew | Jemt: becuase that way you keep your system stable except for the few newer packages you need. you don't have enough experience to run unstable |
| 18:03.50 | du | jjazz, thanks!! |
| 18:03.53 | jjazz | np |
| 18:04.10 | Jemt | stew: Ok - but is it because Backports don't fetch unstable dependencies? |
| 18:04.37 | stew | Jemt: yes |
| 18:04.38 | abeot | ok seems it's not working, oh well i'll try to figure it out tommorow, drinking tonite, thanks anyway guys =) |
| 18:04.41 | abeot | see you |
| 18:04.43 | Jemt | stew: As far as I can see, the kernel from Backports might as well be just as unstable as the one from Unstable |
| 18:04.45 | stew | Jemt: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:04.52 | Jemt | stew: Ah, ok - THAT makes sense :) |
| 18:05.01 | Luckys__ | how do I change the time |
| 18:05.01 | Jemt | Sweet :) |
| 18:05.11 | stew | Jemt: but this way the rest of the packages on your system don't have to be from unstable |
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| 18:05.18 | stew | Jemt: and you will still get security updates |
| 18:05.21 | Jemt | Luckys__: 'date' i think |
| 18:05.27 | eastwood | date |
| 18:05.35 | Jemt | stew: Very nice :) |
| 18:05.38 | eastwood | man data |
| 18:05.40 | eastwood | date* |
| 18:05.49 | Maulkin | Jemt: (for packages that aren't backported) |
| 18:05.53 | stew | right |
| 18:06.05 | Jemt | stew: But I can still use 'testing', right ? |
| 18:06.20 | stew | Jemt: you should not mix stable and testing, |
| 18:06.42 | Jemt | stew: Ok - But I'm not interested in stable - the software is too old |
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| 18:07.15 | Jemt | stew: Unless Backports extends Stable just fine with x.org, gnome 2.14 etc. |
| 18:07.40 | Jemt | stew: I had a 'testing' installation running a few hours ago - worked just fine |
| 18:08.19 | stew | Jemt: no you had unstable. it worked fine for now, but who knows when it would break next |
| 18:08.27 | stew | Jemt: i dont' know about gnome, but backports does include xorg |
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| 18:09.34 | Jemt | stew: No, I used 'testing'. The result I showed you was from yet another reinstall. The one I worked on 3-5 hours ago was 'testing' with a kernel (+ dependencies) from Unstable. But you are right - odd things could happen |
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| 18:10.18 | Jemt | Great.. The HowTo on backports.org is down :( |
| 18:10.18 | stew | Jemt: yes. things in unstable break all the time. in fact someone was just in here recently who tried to install a new kernel on unstable but had gnome removed on them leaving their system unbootable |
| 18:10.23 | stew | oh, it was you |
| 18:10.29 | stew | s/gnome/grub/ |
| 18:10.37 | Jemt | stew: Wow :-/ |
| 18:10.41 | stew | Jemt: its not down |
| 18:10.46 | Jemt | stew: Yep, Grub ;) |
| 18:10.53 | Jemt | stew: I get an 404 |
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| 18:11.01 | stew | http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 18:11.05 | Jemt | stew: Documentation > Howto |
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| 18:11.47 | Jemt | stew: That only mentions one backport. But they keep recommending me to use only ONE backport - I wan't to know which I should use |
| 18:12.02 | stew | !stable 2.6.16 |
| 18:12.02 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "apt-get update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> |
| 18:12.52 | Jemt | stew: Ok. I was just confused about the text on the frontpage - it sounds like I should pick between several backports |
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| 18:13.42 | stew | Jemt: the backports you want to install are grub udev initramfs-tools and linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:14.26 | Jemt | stew: Oh, I thought backports was the mirrors. I call ie 'grub' a Package |
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| 18:15.21 | stew | Jemt: backported package |
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| 18:15.50 | Jemt | stew: I get wiser every day :) |
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| 18:20.01 | Jemt | stew: I don't have a 'etc/apt/preferences' file. Should I just create it ? |
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| 18:20.37 | abrotman | yes |
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| 18:20.51 | Jemt | abrotman: Thanks |
| 18:20.56 | Luckys__ | stew, generally installing any software, how do I go about, like I want to install xchat, firebird, etc. so I download the tars and where specifically I install these or any programs |
| 18:21.19 | tarzeau | does someone have tcpd.exe for win32? |
| 18:21.23 | EnsignRedshirt | Quick one: When I start a terminal within Gnome, is that a "login shell" or a "non-login shell"? |
| 18:21.34 | stew | tarzeau: wrong channel |
| 18:21.55 | Vasistha | tarzeau: cygwin.com ? |
| 18:21.59 | stew | Luckys__: apt-get install xchat; generally find the package which contains the software and "apt-get install packagename" /msg dpkg search |
| 18:22.00 | tarzeau | stew: not if i want to port debian to win32 |
| 18:22.08 | tarzeau | Vasistha: without cygwin |
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| 18:22.27 | stew | tarzeau: yes, even if you want to port debian to win32 |
| 18:22.36 | tarzeau | stew: no, i disagree |
| 18:22.38 | calmar | hi all. I did a dpkg-reconfigure console-data to choose a keymap. But I would have some additional settings. How can I include them? modifying the main boot-keymap file? |
| 18:22.42 | Vasistha | tarzeau: I think that's a better question for mailing lists :P |
| 18:22.46 | tarzeau | stew: #debian never was restricted to linux only |
| 18:22.47 | Luckys__ | stew, but the package has to be a binary or a specific extension, like .rpm won't work, am I right |
| 18:23.05 | abrotman | EnsignRedshirt: i'd guess non-login |
| 18:23.06 | tarzeau | Vasistha: i'll rather compile it first on my own before bugging that lists |
| 18:23.19 | stew | tarzeau: yes, but its not a development channel |
| 18:23.40 | tarzeau | stew: so what? it's a user channel. users are allowed to develop too |
| 18:23.47 | abrotman | we are?! |
| 18:24.01 | tarzeau | stew: just don't answer if you don't want to |
| 18:24.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: don't you have a win32 box? |
| 18:24.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure of course |
| 18:24.21 | stew | tarzeau: don't ask off-topic questions |
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| 18:24.27 | tarzeau | stew: it wasn't off-topic |
| 18:24.47 | stew | tarzeau: its not debian related, yes. its off-topic |
| 18:24.54 | Vasistha | tarzeau: how is "win32" on-topic? |
| 18:25.04 | tarzeau | Vasistha: when you port debian to win32 |
| 18:25.40 | stew | Luckys__: no you shouldn't be looking for files with specific extensions, look for packages with apt-cache search, /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:26.27 | EnsignRedshirt | Luckys__: I'm guessing you might find Synaptic (a GUI program for dealing with packages) useful. |
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| 18:26.40 | tarzeau | Vasistha: stuff like http://lists.debian.org/debian-win32/ |
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| 18:26.55 | Jemt | stew: apt-get still warns me that Grub and Hotplug will be removed - and I can even install the kernel without the '-t sarge-backports' parameter |
| 18:27.10 | jsn | I know about a pretty stable package (perl package in CPAN) that is not in debian. Where would be the normal place to ask if some DD wouldn't mind adopting it? |
| 18:27.19 | FliesLikeAWork | I've got a debian box on dual opterons running 32 bit debian with a k8-amd64 kernel. Due to problems with the box, I'm trying to compile a new kernel (2.6.16) but when I try to configure it I get code model `kernel' not supported in the 32 bit mode |
| 18:27.25 | FliesLikeAWork | er try to compile* |
| 18:28.01 | Jemt | stew: Sec, I'm uploading my sources.list and preferences files |
| 18:28.02 | stew | Jemt: yes, hotplug will be removed, grub should be upgraded, not removed |
| 18:28.02 | FliesLikeAWork | anyone here able to provide insight on what I need to do to properly compile a new kernel in this situation? |
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| 18:28.02 | Vasistha | tarzeau: looks like mostly spam on that list, I haven't found a single legitimate message |
| 18:28.02 | tarzeau | Vasistha: check 2005 |
| 18:28.19 | Jemt | stew: Grub is listed under REMOVED |
| 18:28.25 | tarzeau | Vasistha: spam exists on all debian mailinglists |
| 18:28.26 | stew | Jemt: what command did you type? |
| 18:29.00 | clif4d | trying to install libpam-ssh, but it recommends a package (ssh) which doesn't exist in etch anymore (well it has been renamed to openssh-client) but when I try to install it using aptitude -R install, it removes all my previously installed recommendations, what to do? |
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| 18:29.43 | Vasistha | jsn: While looking around the debian web site in the past, I have come across a list of packages needing adoption .. it might already be there on the list waiting for a developer to take interest |
| 18:29.51 | Jemt | stew: 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-2-686' - both with and without '-t sarge-backports' at the end |
| 18:30.02 | stew | Jemt: did you try the command i recommended to you, and the one that dpkg gave you? |
| 18:30.12 | Jemt | stew: http://powerzone.dk/sources.list http://powerzone.dk/preferences |
| 18:30.23 | jsn | Vasistha, well, it isn't a package (as far as I can tell) that _used_ to have a maintainer. So, it isn't an orphaned package. |
| 18:30.31 | Jemt | stew: Oh, thought that was the command you gave me. Sec - scrolling up |
| 18:31.13 | Jemt | stew: The command ind '/msg dpkg stable' ? |
| 18:31.40 | stew | Jemt: /msg dpkg stable 2.6.16 |
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| 18:32.17 | Jemt | stew: But why can I install from Backports without '-t sarge-backports' ? |
| 18:32.40 | Jemt | stew: That shouldn't be possible when I have added the text from the instructions to my 'preferences' file |
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| 18:33.38 | stew | Jemt: yes, the preferences file makes it so that you will only install from backports when you request it |
| 18:33.48 | Luckys__ | stew, in other words, any program I need to install I get it from debian.packages adn then install |
| 18:34.01 | Jemt | stew: It just dosn't work. Can use see why from the URLs I just gave you ? |
| 18:34.24 | rezzen | 3.1/sid: xserver 7.0 is failing to start because "could not open default font". i guess i'm missing a deb pckg... what package am i missing? |
| 18:34.28 | stew | Jemt: those looked correct, what command did you try? |
| 18:34.41 | rezzen | t |
| 18:34.54 | stew | Luckys__: aptitude install packagename or apt-get install packagename ; or use aptitude to browse for packages. you should find and read the apt-howto |
| 18:35.01 | Jemt | stew: 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-2-686' - both with and without '-t sarge-backports' at the end |
| 18:35.41 | stew | Jemt: i give up. you aren't reading |
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| 18:36.17 | Jemt | stew: Sorry, I know I should include grub etc. But that dosn't change the fact that I can install the kernel without '-t sarge-backports' |
| 18:36.39 | Jemt | stew: I'm just trying to understand why the restriction in preferences is not working |
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| 18:36.55 | clif4d | rezzen try to install package xorg which is a meta package |
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| 18:38.37 | eastwood | how do i get that menu with all debian programs? it seems to be missing here |
| 18:39.20 | Jemt | eastwood: As far as I remember, it is available in the menu editor - you just haft to enable it. Right-click on the menu and click "edit" or something like that |
| 18:39.34 | abrotman | eastwood: apt-get install menu menu-xdg |
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| 18:40.31 | clif4d | how to install a package without recommandations, but without removing previously installed recommandations using aptitude? |
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| 18:40.50 | Jemt | stew: Have you given up on me ? |
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| 18:41.09 | clif4d | aptitude -R install removes 104 packages |
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| 18:41.42 | stew | Jemt: man apt_preferences |
| 18:41.56 | Jemt | stew: Thanks |
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| 18:43.11 | Luckys__ | stew, in general like what procedure I need to follow, e.g I want to install xchat, I did apt-get install xchat and it said could not find package, I search apt-cache search xchat, it won't showup anything |
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| 18:43.31 | Jemt | stew: Ah, Ok, that helped alot. Thanks :) |
| 18:43.51 | stew | Luckys__: put your sources.list into a pastebin |
| 18:45.02 | Luckys__ | stew, sources.list? |
| 18:45.11 | stew | Luckys__: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:46.04 | eastwood | cat /etc/apt/.. |
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| 18:46.43 | eastwood | stoned, you around? |
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| 18:47.21 | RvGaTe | stoned ? |
| 18:47.44 | eastwood | woods and stones can break my bones, lalala |
| 18:47.45 | eastwood | :X |
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| 18:47.50 | Jemt | BRB - rebooting into new kernel |
| 18:47.51 | Luckys__ | stew, http://rafb.net/paste/results/TqKmi484.html |
| 18:47.54 | blondie | eastwood: sticks not woods! |
| 18:48.05 | blondie | a wood is a small forest c.c |
| 18:48.16 | eastwood | yeah... |
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| 18:48.22 | abrotman | Luckys__: what country are you in? |
| 18:48.34 | Luckys__ | abrotman, I'm in the UAE/Dubai |
| 18:48.43 | stew | why does that say unstable? |
| 18:48.51 | stew | Luckys__: run "apt-setup" |
| 18:49.11 | abrotman | Luckys__: run apt-setup .. pick a source near you |
| 18:49.43 | Luckys__ | source meaning for http/ftp? |
| 18:49.53 | abrotman | yep |
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| 18:51.19 | stoned | yes |
| 18:51.30 | stoned | I am around now, I went upstairs to the neighbours to get some food |
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| 18:51.51 | eastwood | stoned, do you know gobby editor? |
| 18:51.56 | stoned | no |
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| 18:52.04 | eastwood | its awesome |
| 18:52.14 | graeme | i <3 the gobby. |
| 18:52.29 | eastwood | it allows, e.g you and me editing the same file on the fly |
| 18:52.41 | ftp3 | hey.. i just built a new machine. installed deb.. all is well. i removed the cdrom drive since I do not need it and now the system will not boot.. i put the cdrom back (there is no cd disk in it) and it boots fine.. when it boots without the cdrom drive it dies during boot trying to open console |
| 18:52.45 | graeme | with two cursors! |
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| 18:52.54 | eastwood | yeah |
| 18:52.58 | launch | Hi, any good chess game |
| 18:53.05 | eastwood | kchess ? |
| 18:53.09 | launch | thanks |
| 18:53.24 | Vasistha | launch: check p.d.o |
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| 18:53.32 | Vasistha | launch: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=chess&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 18:53.37 | FliesLikeAWork | any downside to using a 2.4 kernel instead of 2.6? |
| 18:53.47 | Luckys__ | stew, reading package list from france... |
| 18:53.52 | osphy | eastwood : try eboard |
| 18:53.53 | eastwood | FliesLikeABrick, less hardware support |
| 18:54.07 | osphy | launch : eboard |
| 18:54.12 | eastwood | ok osphy |
| 18:54.13 | launch | asphy thanks |
| 18:54.29 | jdv79 | anyone well versed with mirroring the main repo? |
| 18:54.30 | ftp3 | any idea on my problem? |
| 18:54.47 | jdv79 | i keep getting rsync errrors:( |
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| 18:54.57 | ribnitz | hello there |
| 18:55.02 | Vasistha | FliesLikeAWork: can't use udev? can't use dm-crypt? There are several drawbacks. I use 2.4 for my older hardware |
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| 18:55.37 | sepski | jdv79, are you mirroring from your closest official mirror ? |
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| 18:55.42 | FliesLikeAWork | thanks Vasistha and eastwood thats all I needed to know ;) |
| 18:55.58 | jdv79 | i'm mirroring from kernel.org |
| 18:56.08 | jdv79 | i'm not sure if its the closest... |
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| 18:56.18 | Vasistha | jdv79: you should definitely figure out which is the closest and mirror from there |
| 18:56.36 | sepski | jdv79, if i was you id mirror from ftp.[countrycode].debian.org |
| 18:56.51 | sepski | !mirrors |
| 18:56.52 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 18:56.59 | sepski | there is a list |
| 18:57.24 | Vasistha | jdv79: also if you look at the mirror list, you can often identify a close location just from knowing it -- e.g. I live in Los Angeles, and use the mirror at USC |
| 18:57.26 | jdv79 | i was an it was getting the same error |
| 18:57.52 | jdv79 | also, what does location have to do with, "rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1298) [generator]"? |
| 18:58.04 | Luckys__ | stew, apt-setup done, download xchat, so these are related to the sources present within packages.debian, cases when it doesn't exists? |
| 18:58.22 | Luckys__ | downloading xchat* |
| 18:58.47 | stew | Luckys__: i didn't understand that question. you should read the apt-howto |
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| 18:59.37 | Luckys__ | stew, I mean there could be some programs non-existent in debian packages or theres never a case? |
| 18:59.54 | stew | Luckys__: yes, that can happen |
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| 19:00.21 | Luckys__ | so for those custom programs what do I follow to install them, this was my question |
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| 19:00.57 | Luckys__ | so any program I heard of, I do a apt-cache search program* but if not found what are the steps required |
| 19:01.31 | azeem | Luckys__: are you running stable? |
| 19:01.47 | sepski | Luckys__, do you have correct sources.list ? and have you updated ? apt-get update |
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| 19:03.03 | sepski | Luckys__, programs may be in debian's non-free or contrib repos, those are easy. or they may be on unofficial repos, like marillats, or provided as a .deb from upstream, or you may have to compile yourown |
| 19:03.05 | Luckys__ | (xchat:3043): Gtk-WARNING cannot open display |
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| 19:03.41 | sepski | Luckys__, are you running xchat as the user that owns the display ? (the user logging in) |
| 19:03.50 | sandman | Is there a way to do duplex printing in *nix? Like for example, print only odd pages, then prompt to load the printer paper again, then print odd pages |
| 19:04.18 | Luckys__ | sepski, I did apt-get xchat as root |
| 19:04.25 | Luckys__ | so as root I can't run that? |
| 19:04.29 | blondie | sandman: I should think the program you're using would need to support it |
| 19:04.45 | sepski | rood is used to install the program as you just did, but you run the program as the regular user |
| 19:05.09 | sepski | !tell Luckys__ about root |
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| 19:05.49 | Jemt | stew: Would it be a problem to always fetch packages from the Backports? Oh are they still consideren more unreliable than 'stable' ? |
| 19:06.46 | sepski | Jemt, read instructions on backports.org, installing all of backports will surely mess up your system beyond repair |
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| 19:07.01 | Jemt | sepski: Okay :-S |
| 19:07.03 | sepski | but installing those you need workes just fine |
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| 19:07.07 | abrotman | Luckys__: apt-get install xchat |
| 19:07.12 | Jemt | sepski: Good :) |
| 19:07.48 | iwkse | hi all. i'm trying to install debian from net install cd but it doesn't see my cdrom on my toshiba satellite laptop..i can't forget to install it? |
| 19:08.01 | Jemt | sepski: It's just not easy to know which packages should be fetched from Backports. |
| 19:08.12 | sepski | Jemt, none, unless you need it |
| 19:08.14 | Jemt | sepski: I find it easier to just use 'testing' |
| 19:08.16 | sepski | and if you need it you'd know |
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| 19:09.15 | Ronin | iwkse: tried a new kernel in the install? |
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| 19:09.27 | Jemt | sepski: I want Gnome 2.14 - guess I should use backports there. But I'm not sure whether to fetch ie x-window-system-core from backports |
| 19:09.36 | iwkse | Ronin: im using a testing release and kernel is 2.6 |
| 19:09.48 | Luckys__ | I like this sentence "And don't even think about irc'ing as root" :) |
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| 19:10.15 | Ronin | Luckys__: its good advice :) |
| 19:10.22 | Luckys | oops I'm with X also :) |
| 19:10.37 | iwkse | Ronin: i should use the stable branch? |
| 19:11.11 | Jemt | sepski: Is backports only working with 'stable' ? Or could I use 'testing' ? |
| 19:11.22 | Jemt | sepski: 'testing' have been running great here |
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| 19:11.52 | launch | asphy thanks a lot eboard is very great |
| 19:12.12 | launch | the ai of the gnu chess engine is good |
| 19:12.13 | iwkse | why debian still uses xfree86? |
| 19:12.26 | Jemt | iwkse: Just use x.org if you prefer |
| 19:12.33 | Ronin | iwkse: depends what release your installing |
| 19:12.34 | stew | Jemt: except you aren't running testing. and you didnt' know enought to not let it remove your bootloader support... |
| 19:12.38 | launch | iwkse because you use stable |
| 19:12.47 | Jemt | iwkse: It is available through the backports or testing repositories |
| 19:13.16 | stew | iwkse: xorg wasn't ready at the time the last release was frozen (over a year ago) |
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| 19:13.26 | launch | some new game on linux? i would like to play something |
| 19:13.36 | stew | iwkse: the xfree in stable has some of the xorg drivers backported, however |
| 19:13.41 | Jemt | stew: 7 hours ago I WAS running testing - the kernel (+ dependencies) was the only thing that came from Unstable (!). The files I showed you were from an Unstable install |
| 19:13.53 | ftp3 | so, any ideas why debian dies during the boot only when a cdrom drive is not plugged in? |
| 19:14.04 | Luckys | thanks stew its all because of you :) |
| 19:14.34 | Luckys | now I just need to dig more on to VMWare side, just to play around with resolution part |
| 19:14.39 | Jemt | stew: Will Backports co-exist with 'testing' just fine ? I only want to use 'backports' to install the kernel. The rest is fine as Testing |
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| 19:15.09 | stew | Jemt: i aparantly don't know what you mean by testing |
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| 19:16.08 | Jemt | stew: Using the 'testing' repositories instead of 'stable' or 'unstable' |
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| 19:17.21 | Jemt | stew: You follow ? |
| 19:17.24 | stew | nope |
| 19:17.30 | launch | i read a lot of page of GPL, GNU, open world... im unable to understand why such big program like an operating system can be free.. everybody wants money. even some little software that do nothing except saying the date are not free... is there something behind it? |
| 19:17.45 | stew | launch: read the gnu manifesto |
| 19:17.52 | launch | where |
| 19:18.00 | Jemt | !gnu |
| 19:18.00 | dpkg | gnu is probably a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System, its homepage is at http://gnu.org |
| 19:18.13 | launch | ok |
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| 19:18.44 | SeanTater | how about gnu.org/philosophy |
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| 19:19.18 | launch | i ask myself if linus torvald think to his decision sometime like "if i charged linux.. i would be rich rich rich" |
| 19:19.30 | Jemt | stew: Would you answer my question? Will it cause problems using Backports for the kernel install (2.6.16) and use the 'testing' repositories for the rest of the installation? Or will backports only co-exist with the 'stable' repositories ? |
| 19:20.01 | Jemt | stew: Would = Could |
| 19:20.03 | azeem | Jemt: please don't pressure people to answer questions |
| 19:20.08 | azeem | this is all volunteer-based |
| 19:20.30 | Jemt | azeem: Sorry - It was an accident - Would should have been Could :) |
| 19:20.33 | azeem | you're usually better off asking the whole channel |
| 19:20.54 | stew | Jemt: you could. as i've told you before it would be a bad idea. |
| 19:21.03 | launch | well i use linux i like linux, all my deamon are on linux, but im little bit parano, i can't believe a big big big software like this be free |
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| 19:21.55 | Jemt | stew: I'm just trying to understand in what way it is bad. Sure it can't be worse than running the kernel from the Unstable repository and everything else from 'testing', right ? |
| 19:22.05 | stew | Jemt: its much worse |
| 19:22.09 | Jemt | O.O |
| 19:22.11 | bobdole | launch, It's not linux, It's GNU/Linux |
| 19:22.12 | Jemt | stew: Really ? |
| 19:22.22 | bobdole | launch, You are mislabeling how the operating system is named. |
| 19:22.27 | Luckys | how do I know if any program is already installed? |
| 19:22.33 | launch | bodole yep my mistake |
| 19:22.43 | stew | !wikifaq Luckys PackageManagement |
| 19:22.44 | dpkg | Luckys: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:22.50 | stew | Jemt: really. |
| 19:22.52 | launch | linux is the kernel i think and gnu\linux are the entire os |
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| 19:22.56 | Jemt | Luckys: Just try to install it - if it's installed, you will be informed |
| 19:23.00 | Jemt | stew: Bugger :( |
| 19:23.32 | Jemt | stew: Oh well, I'll go back to the kernel from Unstable then. Worked fine :) |
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| 19:23.54 | Jemt | stew: Thanks for you help - I appriciate it :) |
| 19:24.06 | launch | since five years i send 100dollar to the gnu project, i hope some of this money go to linus torvald |
| 19:24.08 | Jemt | your* |
| 19:24.33 | kronoz | launch, i kinda doubt it |
| 19:24.37 | bobdole | launch, Linus Torvalds gets paid a lot of money to maintain Linux. |
| 19:24.51 | bobdole | launch, I also doubt money sent to GNU goes to Linus also. |
| 19:24.54 | kronoz | launch, done to the OSDL for linus t i think |
| 19:24.55 | launch | bobdole i hope, especially by media? |
| 19:24.59 | kronoz | s/done/donate |
| 19:25.08 | bobdole | launch, no, he doesn't get paid by the media. |
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| 19:25.30 | launch | well some magasine send money to linus |
| 19:25.38 | launch | like 1 dollar on 10 |
| 19:26.06 | launch | please tell me that linus is rich |
| 19:26.16 | azeem | AFAIK he's doing well |
| 19:26.17 | launch | he deserve that |
| 19:26.21 | bobdole | He is very wealthy yes. |
| 19:26.30 | omry | hi, do I need to enable anything specific besides smp support for the new dual-core scheduler in 2.6.17? |
| 19:26.51 | launch | this is the god of all program, he give a lot to everybody this is a fucking good guy |
| 19:26.55 | launch | programmor* |
| 19:27.00 | azeem | launch: it's fine now, this is off-topic here |
| 19:27.05 | launch | :P |
| 19:27.12 | Luckys | life is so simple with apt-get |
| 19:27.15 | bobdole | launch, Go to his homepage: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/torvalds/ |
| 19:27.39 | bobdole | launch, He really didn't have a choice. |
| 19:27.48 | launch | ? |
| 19:27.53 | launch | which choice |
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| 19:29.28 | launch | well for me, the two most beautiful thing in technology are free, GNU/Linux and Perl |
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| 19:30.51 | launch | azeem i stop now, sorry im just in a happy momment |
| 19:30.57 | launch | :) |
| 19:31.49 | ribnitz | time to find the next bridge fro bungee-jumping? |
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| 19:37.08 | freeone3000 | What package is the perl support for grep in? |
| 19:39.05 | SeanTater | not sure for grep specifically, but what about pcregrep |
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| 19:41.06 | acad | could i have x load immediatly after the kernel? |
| 19:41.20 | jjazz | what's the commandline equivalent of the 'start printer' option in the cups browser interface? I can't seem to convince cups I'm authorized to start the printer via the browser. |
| 19:41.27 | bobdole | acad, no |
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| 19:41.41 | bobdole | acad, You can have X load faster though. |
| 19:41.43 | acad | bobdole do you know what is requred then for x to load? |
| 19:42.02 | bobdole | acad, x-window-system-core? |
| 19:42.08 | acad | i've heard companies have loaded x in under 3 seconds |
| 19:42.17 | bobdole | lies |
| 19:42.19 | acad | aww |
| 19:42.25 | bobdole | Maybe with suspend to disk or something |
| 19:42.36 | bobdole | You could do that, sure |
| 19:42.43 | acad | suspend to disk wouldn't do it |
| 19:42.58 | jjazz | If by "loaded" they meant "brought down and up with ctrl-alt-backspace", then maybe |
| 19:43.12 | acad | not 3 or 4 seconds, maybe 10 - 20 seconds under the righ conditions |
| 19:43.35 | bobdole | acad, You could just have X load faster. |
| 19:43.41 | acad | how is that? |
| 19:43.50 | bobdole | acad, see /etc/rc2.d, and reorder S99gdm to S00gdm |
| 19:44.13 | bobdole | That's simple/safe/easy way to do it. |
| 19:44.18 | jjazz | that makes X load faster? or just sooner? |
| 19:44.26 | bobdole | That's similar to how windows does it, load X before the system is done booting. |
| 19:44.33 | bobdole | jjazz, sooner |
| 19:44.39 | acad | yea, i want to try that |
| 19:45.15 | acad | yea, it's funny how ms windows xp doesn't even have network services until the system is completly loaded |
| 19:45.30 | acad | you can have firefox up before the network card has an ip |
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| 19:46.24 | bobdole | There are some other little hacks you can do to save time on bootup also. |
| 19:46.45 | bobdole | Just google for fast debian boot up |
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| 19:47.14 | Vasistha | bobdole: I can't help being curious why this stuff wouldn't be the default |
| 19:47.22 | acad | yea, i think the real thing i'm interested in learning is how to 'trick' users |
| 19:47.27 | Maulkin | acad: There was recently a paper at DebConf about speeding up the boot time in debian |
| 19:47.29 | bobdole | Vasistha, Probably because it's a dumb idea. |
| 19:47.40 | Vasistha | bobdole: why? security? |
| 19:47.42 | acad | the actual boot times are relativly decent - in comparison to ms windows |
| 19:47.47 | bobdole | Vasistha, Which one? |
| 19:47.53 | bobdole | gdm loading at S00gdm? |
| 19:47.58 | RobNyc | !ati |
| 19:47.58 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
| 19:48.01 | Maulkin | acad: The easiest thing you can do is use dash instead of bash as the default shell |
| 19:48.06 | Vasistha | bobdole: I didn't have anything specific in mind |
| 19:48.11 | RobNyc | !fglrx |
| 19:48.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
| 19:48.28 | bobdole | Vasistha, Well you can have gdm load before the system is done booting. Then you wouldn't be notified if something failed. Because X already started. |
| 19:48.32 | acad | Maulkin that actually has an effect on it? |
| 19:48.34 | Vasistha | !tell RobNyc about msg the bot |
| 19:48.47 | RobNyc | ty Vasistha lol |
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| 19:49.13 | Maulkin | acad: about 8 seconds IIRC |
| 19:49.29 | Vasistha | bobdole: right. That's a great example. thanks. |
| 19:49.52 | bobdole | hehj, I couldn't think of a better example |
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| 19:50.44 | bobdole | I'm sure if they could safely decrease the bootup time, so nothing stupid happens. They would. |
| 19:50.49 | acad | Maulkin wow- 8 seconds is impressive unless we're talking about a 1990's computer |
| 19:51.05 | Maulkin | acad: The full paper is at http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/debconf6-data/proceedings/bof/boot-time.tex?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 19:51.29 | Maulkin | acad: I'd also reccomend you don't use kde or gone. Try XFCE |
| 19:51.57 | RobNyc | any of you guys here using XGL ? |
| 19:52.00 | eeg3 | anyone have a copy of their sources.list lying around? |
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| 19:52.17 | acad | hmm it didn't have any effect |
| 19:52.23 | Vasistha | eeg3: what do you need? My sources.list is optimal for someone living in Los Angeles |
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| 19:52.51 | eeg3 | Vasistha, i just want to test a working one, i keep getting weird dns responses from the default i have |
| 19:53.02 | Maulkin | acad: Sorry, not there. |
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| 19:53.09 | stew | eeg3: what response are you getting? for which source? |
| 19:53.21 | eeg3 | the DNS responses are coming back really weird |
| 19:53.30 | eeg3 | like 1.0.0.0 |
| 19:53.36 | stew | eeg3: for which mirror? |
| 19:53.40 | eeg3 | just from apt though... i can access any site and whatnot |
| 19:53.57 | eeg3 | stew, one sec... logged in through putty and something is compiling |
| 19:54.03 | abrotman | RobNyc: xgl isn't in Debian yet .. try #xgl |
| 19:54.11 | ftp3 | so, if i have my cdrom drive plugged in (no cd in it) my machine works fine. If I unplug the ide cable from the cdrom, the machine stops during boot at: pivot_root no such file or directory |
| 19:54.18 | Maulkin | acad: Looks like it's not there yet. Hmm. Have a look at recent postigns to debian-devel for more info |
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| 19:55.01 | RobNyc | thanks abrotman |
| 19:55.19 | stew | acad, Maulkin: this? http://www.marga.com.ar/blog/index.cgi/debian/Parallel_booting.html |
| 19:55.38 | Maulkin | stew: That's part of it. It was marga's talk :) |
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| 19:55.49 | benjamindees | is there a channel for the debian installer? |
| 19:56.13 | ribnitz | benjamindees: Debian mostly works with mailinglists. |
| 19:56.20 | Maulkin | stew: There's also been loads of stuff on teh list :) |
| 19:56.28 | benjamindees | nvm found it |
| 19:56.33 | stew | Maulkin: what the heck does bof stand for, anyway? |
| 19:56.45 | Maulkin | Bird of a Feather |
| 19:56.51 | ribnitz | stew: bastzart operator from? |
| 19:57.02 | eeg3 | # apt-get update |
| 19:57.02 | eeg3 | 0% [Connecting to security.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] [Connecting to ftp1.us.debian. |
| 19:57.11 | eeg3 | That keeps happening. =\ |
| 19:57.23 | sepski | eeg3, is that your closest mirror ? |
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| 19:57.37 | sepski | eeg3, umm nevermind me |
| 19:57.38 | eeg3 | I don't know, but that shouldn't really matter |
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| 19:57.54 | stew | eeg3: what do you get when you run "host security.debian.org" |
| 19:58.03 | sepski | eeg3, the ip is not 1.0.0.0 tho that's obviously wrong, try host or nslookup or ping and see what is say |
| 19:58.16 | ftp3 | ok, how about this.. how do I see which /dev/hd?? the current running hd is on? |
| 19:58.18 | eeg3 | security.debian.org has address 194.109.137.218 |
| 19:58.18 | eeg3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:58.30 | bobdole | ftp3, df -h; |
| 19:58.39 | ribnitz | ftp3: mount |
| 19:58.50 | sepski | eeg3, /etc/init.d/nscd restart |
| 19:58.56 | sepski | incase you have that |
| 19:59.03 | stew | eeg3: you don't have security.debian.org in /etc/hosts do you? |
| 19:59.17 | stew | eeg3: do you possibly have a proxy setup in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
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| 19:59.22 | eeg3 | stew: no sir |
| 19:59.38 | stew | eeg3: can you ping it? |
| 20:00.01 | jshoenberger | ... |
| 20:00.04 | sepski | or have you recently edited with nsswitch.conf ? |
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| 20:00.05 | eeg3 | I don't have a apt.conf I just have an apt.conf.d directory with a small 70debconf in it |
| 20:00.14 | eeg3 | this is a clean install |
| 20:00.16 | sepski | eeg3, did you have nscd ? |
| 20:00.28 | eeg3 | sparc64 if it matters |
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| 20:02.11 | ftp3 | seriously no one has a clue why my machine will boot with the cdrom drive plugged in, but debian dies during boot without it? |
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| 20:02.49 | five0 | slave/master? |
| 20:03.05 | five0 | how does debian 'die' ? |
| 20:03.21 | sepski | ftp3, wrong master/slave jumper settings ? |
| 20:03.33 | ftp3 | i think its a sata thing |
| 20:03.36 | ftp3 | cdrom is ide |
| 20:03.40 | ftp3 | boot drive is sata |
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| 20:03.57 | jshoenberger | Does Debian die, or your computer fail to find the boot record? |
| 20:03.59 | KodeK | So my friend and I are trying to disable checksums on the e100 drivers. He found this: "The problem goes away if driver is loaded with XsumRX=0." Could anyone point us to the right direction? |
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| 20:04.38 | ftp3 | debian boots all the way to the pivot_root, then dies |
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| 20:05.34 | eeg3 | well, I fixed it... sort of |
| 20:05.48 | eeg3 | I just added the dns entries it was having problems with manually into /etc/hosts |
| 20:06.12 | sepski | eeg3, sounds like a bad bad workaround that's going to bite you on other hosts later on |
| 20:06.20 | eeg3 | sepski, its just apt |
| 20:06.22 | eeg3 | nothing else |
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| 20:06.50 | ftp3 | i think grub should be looking for /dev/sda not /dev/hda but i do not see that |
| 20:06.52 | sepski | eeg3, the problem with a host resolving to 1.0.0.0 may occor for all hosts the machine tries to resolve |
| 20:07.19 | eeg3 | sepski, it only resolves like that for apt... lynx, host, ping, etc etc don't have that problem |
| 20:07.41 | eeg3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:11.14 | sistema | hola |
| 20:11.21 | sistema | por que cuando pongo make no compila |
| 20:11.47 | benjamindees | !es |
| 20:11.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:12.24 | KodeK | !en |
| 20:12.24 | dpkg | english |
| 20:12.27 | KodeK | :( |
| 20:12.27 | kristalino | what is the command that loads automagically all needed modules into the system ? |
| 20:13.04 | bipolar | is there any debian daemons that are started by an initscript that automaticly restart if the process crashes? |
| 20:13.24 | bipolar | I need an example to look over for my own init file work |
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| 20:15.03 | DigitalStimulus | is there a "debian way" to set the xorg mouse cursor/theme? |
| 20:15.20 | KodeK | So how do I load a driver with "XsumRX=0"? |
| 20:15.32 | stew | DigitalStimulus: update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
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| 20:16.07 | stew | KodeK: modprobe drivername XsumRX=0 ; if you need that to happen every boot, put "drivername XsumRX=0" into /etc/modules |
| 20:16.24 | KodeK | stew, <3 thank you! |
| 20:17.24 | bipolar | basicly I need to do the same thing that "respawn" does in inittab, but in an initscript |
| 20:17.25 | stew | kristalino: kristalino maybe /etc/init.d/discover restart |
| 20:17.49 | kristalino | stew, anything more "kernel-side" ? |
| 20:18.01 | stew | kristalino: not that i know of |
| 20:18.10 | rvgate | in gnome i can setup shurtcuts to commands using the config-editor... it also refers Alt like <Alt> and ctrl to <Ctrl>, but what if i want my middle mouse button? |
| 20:18.22 | kristalino | ok, thanks |
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| 20:19.27 | DigitalStimulus | stew: thanks |
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| 20:21.50 | stew | rvgate: you could use xbindkeys |
| 20:22.41 | mne | hi. I'd need some web based software to coordinate downloads for a group of people. I guess this is somehow project management related. any suggestions ? |
| 20:23.20 | rvgate | stew: does that work on gnome? |
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| 20:23.28 | abrotman | you want a web based file management system ? |
| 20:23.33 | five0 | rvgate: any wm |
| 20:23.40 | zerohero | a few months back i went from gnome to kde, and i can't get usb devices to be recognised (camera, mp3-player). they just worked in gnome. anyone know what's needed? |
| 20:23.59 | stew | rvgate: yes, its completely independent of the window manager / de |
| 20:24.21 | mne | abrotman, no, a web based project management system to coordinate downloads |
| 20:24.39 | abrotman | can't you just send them all an email that says "GO!" ? :) |
| 20:24.58 | abrotman | !info phpgroupware-filemanager |
| 20:25.04 | abrotman | erm .. but in sarge .. but whatever |
| 20:25.25 | abrotman | mne: you might need to give a few more details |
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| 20:25.53 | mne | abrotman, hmm, i guess you're right ;) |
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| 20:26.02 | abrotman | did dpkg go byebye? |
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| 20:26.52 | abrotman | mne: please don't msg people without permission |
| 20:27.08 | five0 | no, dpkg is responding |
| 20:27.08 | rvgate | stew: so how does this work? i created the defaults... |
| 20:27.16 | abrotman | five0: i figured that out :) |
| 20:27.16 | redrain | Hi, after upgrading my kernel to 2.6.15, my touchpad stop working, I have no idea what could be the problem. |
| 20:27.19 | mne | abrotman, sorry, didn't know that one needs permission to do that .. |
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| 20:27.27 | abrotman | mne: it's just being polite :) |
| 20:27.54 | mne | abrotman, hmm, ok, sorry then. I'm not so much IRC guru ;) |
| 20:28.10 | abrotman | mne: anyways .. you want to have something that allows your users to see when new files are available and then give them a URL ? |
| 20:28.50 | problematico | Thanks abrotman it was just the "auto" missing :P |
| 20:28.54 | problematico | gotta go |
| 20:28.54 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 20:29.08 | problematico | Have a nice day |
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| 20:29.22 | mne | abrotman, no, it should be more the other way round. e.g. there is a large file collection (say 30gb). all users have a slow internet connection, so it would not be a good idea if all users download all files. |
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| 20:29.44 | mne | abrotman, it would be better if they could coordinate what they download in some web based system |
| 20:29.46 | abrotman | mne: oh .. uhm .. you want like a scheduler kind of thing .. |
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| 20:29.53 | mne | abrotman, right |
| 20:29.56 | abrotman | no idea :) |
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| 20:30.13 | stew | rvgate: checkout /usr/share/doc/xbindkeys/README.Debian and the examples in the examples directory |
| 20:30.18 | abrotman | never heard of such a thing .. HOWEVER .. you could write a simple PHP script to roughly .. move the file temporarily .. and once done .. move it back |
| 20:30.32 | mne | abrotman, hmm, ok ;) As long as it's small, I guess some kind of wiki that everyone can edit is ok as well |
| 20:31.28 | mne | abrotman, of course i could. however, I guess that would be to much effort for 3-4 of my friends and me ;) |
| 20:31.34 | mne | abrotman, anyway, thank you |
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| 20:31.57 | sandman | I just wanted to say that I love Debian. |
| 20:32.55 | abrotman | mne: it's probably pretty easy .. more so than you think |
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| 20:34.55 | mne | abrotman, maybe I'll try that. But once there is a script that can do that, people usually start to mail tons of feature requests ;) |
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| 20:35.10 | blondie | argh linux on my laptop SUCKS |
| 20:35.11 | blondie | :( |
| 20:35.18 | sandman | All I had to do to update to the latest version of wine (which in this case is unavailable in the repos) is: apt-get source wine, download the latest upstream wine tarball (0.9.16), uupdate ../upstreamtarball from the old debianized wine dir, then dpkg-buildpackage && dpkg -i ../*0.9.16*.deb from the new debianized tree |
| 20:35.20 | abrotman | mne: tell them new features are not currently being accepted :) |
| 20:35.21 | redrain | Is there any known touchpad problem with kernel 2.6.15? Where I have to look to get idea about problem? |
| 20:35.24 | kronoz | is the current weekly etch build broken? |
| 20:35.32 | mne | abrotman, hehe |
| 20:35.35 | abrotman | kronoz: you mean daily? |
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| 20:36.26 | kronoz | abrotman: theres a daily? er i dunno really, 19th june build |
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| 20:37.32 | abrotman | kronoz: there's a daily netinst build .. the weekly are the full CD set |
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| 20:40.06 | Tallu | How would I go about restricting ssh access to only selected accounts and limiting login attempts to 2? |
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| 20:40.23 | abrotman | to two in how long ? |
| 20:40.32 | jshoenberger | denyhosts.py :P |
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| 20:41.16 | Tallu | abrotman: like 2 in a row failed I was thinking.. or do you have better suggestions? |
| 20:41.26 | kronoz | abrotman, the weekly then, full cd set |
| 20:41.31 | jshoenberger | Tallu, what happens when you fail two? |
| 20:41.36 | kronoz | i was only using the first cd to install though |
| 20:41.58 | abrotman | Tallu: iptables can block an IP after X number of failed attepmts in # of minutes |
| 20:42.11 | Tallu | jshoenberger: well I was hoping for something like a temporary ip block |
| 20:42.21 | Tallu | abrotman: sounds good to me |
| 20:42.30 | jshoenberger | iptables |
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| 20:45.37 | GTX | I'm running one of my Debian servers as a firewall for my core network, at the moment I have been using some simple iptables rules. Is there any other programs which could detect a ddos? or a spam of ips and automaticlay block it. |
| 20:48.06 | GoAuLd | Tallu: fail2ban |
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| 20:51.52 | liable | woohooo!! |
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| 20:55.32 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 20:55.32 | dpkg | i guess qotd139 is <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
| 20:55.50 | abrotman | yay? |
| 20:56.01 | Edwin_Quijada | what is the name of packge compile gcc,autoconf.... |
| 20:56.08 | abrotman | !b-e Edwin_Quijada |
| 20:56.09 | Edwin_Quijada | developer package |
| 20:56.09 | dpkg | Edwin_Quijada: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 20:56.09 | Vasistha | GTX: the problem with ddos is the sheer volume of shit that you have to deal with, by any means. A ddos may very well be something that can overwhelm your bandwidth, so you have to nip it at the level of the ISP, or even closer to the backbone |
| 20:56.28 | brothers | question: man is improperly formating pages, giving me weird characters instead of quotemarks |
| 20:56.29 | Edwin_Quijada | build-essential? |
| 20:57.12 | Jemt | Edwin_Quijada: Build_essential can be used to fetch dependencies for a given program so you don't haft to compile them (afaik) |
| 20:57.12 | brothers | what can I do to diagnose this error? an example is the manual of muttrc |
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| 20:59.58 | blondie | Windows > Linux ;) |
| 21:00.21 | liable | whats the new cardctl? |
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| 21:01.21 | blondie | anyway, why would everything I do in X be soooo sllloooowwww |
| 21:01.26 | blondie | Windows works fine :| |
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| 21:01.43 | Jemt | blondie: What "things" ? |
| 21:01.46 | blondie | processes just take lots of cpu time for no reason I can see |
| 21:01.54 | blondie | Jemt: every program I run |
| 21:01.58 | Jemt | blondie: What Window Manager are you using (ie. Gnome, KDE etc.) |
| 21:02.08 | Jemt | blondie: What's the specs. of your PC ? |
| 21:02.11 | blondie | gnome, but that's not the window manager c.c |
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| 21:02.24 | azeem | how much RAM do you have? |
| 21:02.29 | blondie | umm, AMD Turion 1.8GHz, 1GB RAM |
| 21:02.31 | Jemt | blondie: I know - it uses Metacity ) |
| 21:02.37 | blondie | (it's a laptop) |
| 21:02.39 | Jemt | That should be sufficient |
| 21:02.50 | kronoz | prehaps your running the wrong kind of kernel? |
| 21:02.56 | blondie | I run gnome terminal, and xorg will use 30% CPU |
| 21:03.08 | kronoz | you could try a k7/8 kernel depends on which your cpu supports |
| 21:03.31 | blondie | Im using 2.6.15 for k7 |
| 21:03.32 | kronoz | oh |
| 21:03.32 | GTX | Vasistha, I am close to the backbone |
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| 21:03.41 | Jemt | blondie: Hm, I have no problems here - i'm using kernel-2.6.16-2-686 |
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| 21:03.55 | blondie | actually it's not just X; text scrolls really slowly when connected by ssh |
| 21:03.58 | abrotman | blondie: i thought that was in the BTS |
| 21:04.08 | blondie | abrotman: ? |
| 21:04.15 | abrotman | the gnome-terminal sucking all CPU |
| 21:04.16 | azeem | blondie: what kind of graphics chip do you have? |
| 21:04.17 | Jemt | blondie: You could try 386 I guess - I'm not sure exactly how big the difference is between the K7 instruction set and the AMD XP instruction set |
| 21:04.20 | azeem | are you using the vesa driver? |
| 21:04.50 | blondie | I'm using the "ati" driver |
| 21:04.56 | blondie | it's a mobile radeon something |
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| 21:05.42 | blondie | however, no time to worry about that now x.x |
| 21:05.46 | Vasistha | GTX: Now, I'm not going to vouch for Steve Gibson's security advise (I understand it's pretty dubious) but have you read his report about a ddos attack experience? It's very interesting, and led me to believe it's a pretty difficult thing to fight off. |
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| 21:07.11 | GTX | Yes I have Vasistha, I am just looking for an detection system and to automaticlay block it |
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| 21:07.17 | adrakoa | hi |
| 21:08.01 | Vasistha | GTX: what's the "it" you're trying to block? |
| 21:08.18 | GTX | Vasistha, General Attacks. |
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| 21:09.11 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:09.11 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 21:09.26 | Vasistha | GTX: that's pretty generally ambiguous :P the thing about ddos attacks is that most of what they consist of appears to be valid queries, and filtering for the queries that are indeed valid, as opposed to the ones that just -look- valid can be pretty difficult |
| 21:10.05 | Jemt | 'apt-get moo' ? Hmm |
| 21:10.12 | Vasistha | GTX: ... anyway, I responded with the hopes that someone else would chime in with a recommendation. Perhaps #debian isn't the best place to be asking :P |
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| 21:10.31 | robin_sz | a ddos attack is impossible to fight off |
| 21:10.31 | abrotman | Vasistha: do you want the redundancy award prize? |
| 21:10.32 | five0 | hi guys, are any of you using qemu? for somereason, i can never seem to get it to load in a window.. it always takes up the entire screen, and i have to: C-a-F* to get back to my wm |
| 21:10.39 | Vasistha | abrotman: yes |
| 21:10.42 | Vasistha | abrotman: yes |
| 21:10.47 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 21:10.49 | Maulkin | heh |
| 21:10.53 | fredo[offline] | ya til kel kun |
| 21:10.55 | fredo[offline] | ? |
| 21:11.00 | robin_sz | even if you could tell good from bad requests, they still come in and flood the incoming pipe |
| 21:11.36 | abrotman | robin_sz: upstream can do something aboutit |
| 21:11.45 | abrotman | though it's just passing the buck |
| 21:11.47 | Maulkin | GTX: Basically, you need to talk toupstream |
| 21:11.55 | robin_sz | often not much though |
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| 21:12.07 | Maulkin | abrotman: Yeah, and then they can pass it on to their upstream... :) |
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| 21:12.24 | robin_sz | apart from opening up your pipe to lett more of it through faster ... |
| 21:12.30 | GTX | Maulkin, I am the upstream provider |
| 21:12.31 | Maulkin | abrotman: The buck stops with the person holding the bgp router, and they shoudl be able to deal with it anyway :) |
| 21:12.34 | robin_sz | or blocking it all off ... |
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| 21:12.45 | abrotman | Maulkin: that's what i mean |
| 21:12.48 | Maulkin | GTX: Do you run bgp? |
| 21:12.52 | GTX | yup |
| 21:13.05 | Maulkin | GTX: Then you shouldn't be automaically filtering :) |
| 21:13.24 | abrotman | Vasistha: it's hard for the end point to fight .. the person controlling your pipe should have a better solution |
| 21:15.04 | robin_sz | GTX: running Zebra? |
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| 21:17.12 | Vasistha | abrotman: what did I say that was redundant, anyway? I've read my backscroll a couple times ... just that it's "difficult"? |
| 21:17.23 | wotdu | hey |
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| 21:17.41 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.06 | Vasistha | :-) |
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| 21:19.39 | Vasistha | abrotman: I certainly hope it got the point across with clarity and made everyone clearly and fully understand the statement without any confusion or ambiguity |
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| 21:19.57 | abrotman | !smack Vasistha |
| 21:20.10 | Vasistha | heh heh |
| 21:20.18 | five0 | pretty, generally, _and_ ambiguous! |
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| 21:24.43 | streuner | amen |
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| 21:25.55 | benjamindees | !drxx |
| 21:25.55 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 21:25.58 | itchi | I make you crazy |
| 21:26.02 | benjamindees | !xmd5 |
| 21:26.03 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 21:26.22 | itchi | !tell benjamindees -about selftell |
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| 21:26.34 | benjamindees | itchi, fuck off I'm in no mood |
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| 21:26.38 | streuner | !tell benjamindees about msg |
| 21:26.39 | itchi | I make you crazy |
| 21:26.56 | itchi | benjamindees: Listen to to it ;-) |
| 21:27.23 | itchi | benjamindees: I mean that music |
| 21:27.42 | ftp3 | is there a simple way to set the static ip for my machine? |
| 21:27.58 | jlaw | erm ... has anyone here ever used NXclient and may tell me how to start it? |
| 21:28.06 | abrotman | #nx |
| 21:28.06 | streuner | ftp3: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 21:28.48 | ftp3 | thanks |
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| 21:30.50 | jeef | is there an easy way to write a script for screen so that you can execute a few things and detach it? i'm attempting to write a quick/easy startup script for something, and would like to execute several commands within screen (leaving it detached) |
| 21:31.30 | croak77 | question, my gnome applicatiions menu is not working correctly...all it does is rapidly flash, places and desktop works fine though...any thoughts? |
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| 21:34.08 | itchi | streuner: You can use '-about', so that you not get the whole msg, you only get told benjamindees about selftell |
| 21:34.48 | azeem | then you can't make sure you got the right factoid |
| 21:35.09 | itchi | azeem: That's right, but i assum he know it ;-) |
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| 21:35.41 | streuner | itchi: thanks, but its not that important, the logs for msg users aren't that big ... |
| 21:35.49 | itchi | azeem: Otherwise your log file come quick big :-/ |
| 21:36.10 | itchi | streuner: I depend if you're here for long time |
| 21:37.00 | itchi | david@neptune:~/.xchat2$ du -sh |
| 21:37.00 | itchi | 88M |
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| 21:39.45 | azeem | itchi: get your logs split up by month and bzip2 them, if you haven't done so already |
| 21:40.03 | itchi | azeem: It's looks not :-/ Good tip ;-) |
| 21:40.48 | yassine | any idea if the cvs.sourceforge.net is down ? |
| 21:40.57 | azeem | yassine: could well be |
| 21:41.03 | yassine | :/ |
| 21:41.13 | azeem | cvs [update aborted]: connect to cvs.jack.sourceforge.net(66.35.250.209):2401 failed: No route to host |
| 21:41.29 | yassine | the same here :(( |
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| 21:41.55 | azeem | yassine: well, that's not uncommon with SF, learn to live with it... |
| 21:42.19 | yassine | azeem, thats right |
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| 21:42.50 | benjamindees | ugh, and now drxx puts a 72 hz refresh rate in the config file even if I choose 60 hz :-/ |
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| 21:43.13 | benjamindees | linux destroys monitors lol |
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| 21:46.12 | j-linux | First time downloading debian here. Should I go with stable/testing/unstable? How unstable is "unstable"? |
| 21:46.37 | itchi | j-linux: The Stable (Sarge) |
| 21:47.09 | itchi | j-linux: You say it, ustable are been unstable :-/ |
| 21:47.29 | cureless | j-linux: if it's your first time, you should go with stable |
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| 21:47.54 | cureless | j-linux: but if you have 10 years experience with Linux, you're free to try unstable... knowing that it can be... unstable. |
| 21:48.16 | GTX | Can snort automaticlay block ips? or does it just log |
| 21:48.21 | cureless | (the 10 years might not help you solve the problem if it's a debian problem but it might help you not to panic) |
| 21:48.24 | j-linux | I like experimenting, and it's not going to be my everyday OS... I guess stable would be the one then. Only 1 1/2 years exp with it... |
| 21:48.41 | cureless | j-linux: yep, stable for you. |
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| 21:49.05 | cureless | j-linux: if you like to experiment you can install unstable in a virtual machine like qemu and play around |
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| 21:49.19 | j-linux | I'm trying to branch out... learn more... suddenly have 3 extra computers here... also 3 ext. hard drives for my laptop... need... more...operating systems... |
| 21:49.43 | itchi | j-linux: One to many for my :-p ?? |
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| 21:50.28 | Jemt | j-linux: My first week with Debian too - been using Ubuntu for a year though. I'm using 'Testing' and a kernel from 'Unstable' - working fine here. The packages in Stable are quite old - and if you are just experimenting, I would suggest Testing |
| 21:50.29 | torgeir | how can I prevent exim4 from sending mail for my local lan through the smarthost? |
| 21:50.31 | j-linux | cureless: good idea about qemu... Just got it but haven't gotten it to work yet. |
| 21:50.53 | cureless | j-linux: easy, download a pre-made image. |
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| 21:51.11 | torgeir | I have defined an MX host in my zone-file, but it still wants to send it through the smarhost |
| 21:51.12 | Jemt | j-linux: But okay - several people in here have been helping me setup stuff like ACPI, CPU Scaling etc. |
| 21:51.14 | torgeir | smarthost* |
| 21:51.17 | j-linux | cureless: a pre-made image of debian (or whatever os) ? |
| 21:51.30 | abrotman | !drec torgeir |
| 21:51.31 | dpkg | torgeir: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 21:51.34 | cureless | j-linux: for qemu, yes. |
| 21:51.38 | torgeir | abrotman: that doesn't help |
| 21:51.48 | Jemt | j-linux: That might not be easier in Stable though - probably harder. The new software usually have better hardware support and new functionality |
| 21:51.50 | j-linux | cureless: ok... I will try to find that. thanks. |
| 21:52.09 | torgeir | abrotman: I want it to use smarthost for _non-local_ domains..but local domains should not go out to the smarthost |
| 21:52.21 | petemc | torgeir: if you want exim to deliver mail localy, you need to put the domain in local_domains |
| 21:52.23 | abrotman | eh .. maybe #exim ? :) |
| 21:52.38 | torgeir | petemc: how? |
| 21:52.40 | j-linux | Jemt: you think testing or unstable is better? Doesn't matter if I break the os becasue I will have 4 more computers available also... |
| 21:52.41 | cureless | j-linux: stick with stable for a while. If you need "newer" software you can use backports. |
| 21:52.42 | petemc | torgeir: local delivery doesnt need an mx record |
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| 21:52.47 | j-linux | Jemt: maybe I will try that. |
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| 21:52.52 | petemc | torgeir: what abrotman said |
| 21:53.04 | Jemt | j-linux: I would go for 'testing' - not Unstable |
| 21:53.08 | Jemt | go with * |
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| 21:54.17 | j-linux | ok... will download stable first. If the software is too old, will try testing. |
| 21:54.31 | cureless | j-linux: do a net-install |
| 21:54.58 | j-linux | cureless: is that better? |
| 21:55.05 | Jemt | j-linux: Just download Sarge (network install). Then modify your repositories to download 'testing' packages from the net :) |
| 21:55.27 | abrotman | no .. |
| 21:55.30 | Jemt | j-linux: Much - then you got the most recent packages |
| 21:55.36 | abrotman | modify them to etch if you must .. |
| 21:55.46 | Jemt | !etch |
| 21:55.47 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 21:55.53 | Jemt | abrotman: Why ? |
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| 21:56.11 | j-linux | ok, I'll try something like that. |
| 21:56.21 | Jemt | Etch is considered 'testing' level rather then 'unstable' ? |
| 21:56.27 | abrotman | Jemt: etch will one day be stable .. testing is always testing .. unless you know what you're doing, go with tracking etch instead of testing |
| 21:56.51 | cureless | Jemt: testing can have drastic changes near release time. |
| 21:56.56 | Jemt | abrotman: Well, ok. Testing @ Sarge works great here :) |
| 21:57.00 | cureless | or should I say, after release time |
| 21:57.05 | GTX | Can snort automaticlay block ips? or does it just log |
| 21:57.10 | Jemt | cureless: Really ? :-S |
| 21:57.36 | Jemt | Will 'testing' become 'stable' for Etch ? |
| 21:57.41 | cureless | Jemt: yes, testing will begin to freeze to stable. Once etch is released, a bunch of stuff from unstable will come in. |
| 21:57.58 | cureless | Jemt: etch will go from testing to stable. |
| 21:58.23 | Jemt | cureless: Ok - as long as it's after release, I see no problem - I will probably upgrade when the time comes :) |
| 21:58.40 | abrotman | Jemt: testing is not sarge |
| 21:58.44 | Jemt | Is there a ETA on Etch ? |
| 21:58.46 | abrotman | Jemt: testing can break horribly .. |
| 21:58.50 | abrotman | !tell jemt about wwer |
| 21:58.53 | cureless | Jemt: NO |
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| 21:59.08 | Gnea | Jemt: when it's ready. |
| 21:59.29 | Jemt | Oh, touchy subject ? |
| 21:59.33 | cureless | it'll be released the day before testing breaks. |
| 21:59.34 | Gnea | hehe |
| 21:59.49 | Gnea | for some people, apparantly |
| 22:00.11 | abrotman | Jemt: it will be released when it's ready .. they have goals .. the goals are not tied to dates .. |
| 22:00.48 | Gnea | Jemt: your best bet is to use sarge with backports for now if you want something stable with newer versions of packages |
| 22:00.51 | Jemt | abrotman: Ah, ok - I actually like that. It's quite the opposite of Ubuntu. Dapper is totally buggy becuase of the time pressure |
| 22:01.02 | abrotman | s/becuase of the time pressure// |
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| 22:01.52 | Jemt | abrotman: Why did you repeat that? Just to underline it ? :) |
| 22:01.59 | Gnea | Jemt: that's because they took a processing idea that's been evolving for years now and picked it up like it was something off of the street, and just like any other debian derivative, they're taking their time because they're still learning how it really works |
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| 22:03.30 | sandman | Is dmix going to become a linux kernel standard? |
| 22:03.59 | sandman | Let me reword that: Dmix, from what I've read, is an alsa thing. Doesn't it replace the functionality of arts and sound multiplexors to some extent? |
| 22:04.19 | cureless | sandman: to some extent |
| 22:04.24 | Jemt | Gnea: Yes, nothing wrong with that. But if it was up to me, Dapper should not have been released. I was more or less forced (again) to find another OS because the current release was not compatible with my laptop. And that is how it has been for years. I started with Red Hat which became imcompatible with my laptop, then Mandrake, then Knoppix, then Ubuntu. Now my laptop is compatible with both Mandrake and RedHat again and so on. Hopefully I can find pea |
| 22:04.24 | Jemt | ce in Debian :) |
| 22:04.43 | Gnea | sandman: kind of. it actually takes advantage of the way alsa works and uses it properly, instead of providing a cheap hack workaround |
| 22:04.48 | itchi | The sad make my crazy :-/ |
| 22:05.29 | sandman | Well, as it sits now, I cannot have two applications using the ALSA sound plugin play sound at the same time. |
| 22:05.42 | Gnea | sandman: it's not a 'kernel standard', it's an ALSA method |
| 22:05.53 | cureless | sandman: are they using the alsa plugin directly or via the dsp interface? |
| 22:05.55 | Jemt | !esd |
| 22:05.55 | dpkg | i heard esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 22:06.15 | itchi | jack ?? |
| 22:06.20 | Jemt | Is ESD a substitude for ALSA ? |
| 22:06.27 | cureless | Jemt: no |
| 22:06.32 | Jemt | As far as I remember, Ubuntu uses it |
| 22:06.33 | Jemt | Ok |
| 22:06.37 | Gnea | sandman: well, you need to do one of two things then: a) get dmix working properly or b) get a real soundcard, such as a creative labs sb live! emu10k1 which supports multiple outputs on the hardware dsp |
| 22:06.50 | cureless | Yes, get a real soundcard. |
| 22:07.02 | Gnea | cureless: either or will do. |
| 22:07.06 | cureless | you also want one that does full duplex if possible :-) |
| 22:07.07 | sandman | cureless: I'm not sure how to find that out. |
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| 22:07.22 | sandman | I get this line with wine using hte ALSA plugin: ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory |
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| 22:07.41 | Gnea | sandman: could be you're missing a few loaded modules |
| 22:07.46 | itchi | sandman: The module loaded ? |
| 22:08.02 | Gnea | snd_seq.ko |
| 22:08.20 | Gnea | sandman: what kernel are you using? |
| 22:08.30 | cureless | what soundcard |
| 22:08.39 | yassine | azeem, still down ? |
| 22:08.40 | sandman | Okay, now it works fine. |
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| 22:08.44 | fredo[offline] | quelqun pour maider |
| 22:08.45 | Gnea | ok cool |
| 22:08.47 | fredo[offline] | ? |
| 22:08.51 | sandman | Well! I feel stupid now |
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| 22:08.53 | cureless | !fr |
| 22:08.54 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr (irc.debian.org). People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr (irc.debian.org) |
| 22:08.57 | itchi | fredo[offline]: Oui pourquoi pas ?? |
| 22:09.05 | fredo[offline] | pv svp |
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| 22:09.14 | itchi | fredo[offline]: ok |
| 22:09.21 | Gnea | sandman: learn something new everyday ;) |
| 22:09.23 | itchi | fredo[offline]: Then come back here ;-) |
| 22:09.25 | sandman | So how do I know which modules are loaded automatically and which ones aren't? I was under hte impression linux automatically loaded needed modules |
| 22:09.27 | Gnea | that's not stupid |
| 22:09.28 | sandman | Gnea: Indeed |
| 22:09.33 | fredo[offline] | jai un probleme |
| 22:09.36 | fredo[offline] | avec |
| 22:09.37 | abrotman | !fr |
| 22:09.37 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr (irc.debian.org). People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr (irc.debian.org) |
| 22:09.41 | yassine | anyone of you guys can access this : cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pentaho login |
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| 22:10.04 | krang | Is there any way to make apt-get "--assume-no", beacuse it isn't in the man page, but I'd rather expect it to be present since there's a "--assume-yes" |
| 22:10.14 | Gnea | sandman: it depends upon your setup - recent 2.6 kernels utilize udev to facilitate automatic loading. lspci will tell you what's there, lsmod will tell you what's loaded. |
| 22:10.24 | itchi | fredo[offline]: Can you not try in english, so you learn a bit English ? |
| 22:10.34 | fredo[offline] | no |
| 22:10.45 | Gnea | !tell fredo[offline] about fr |
| 22:10.51 | cureless | third time |
| 22:11.02 | azeem | fredo[offline]: this is an english channel, please write in english or /join #debian-fr |
| 22:11.02 | Gnea | fredo[offline]: this is an english-only channel. |
| 22:11.04 | Jemt | krang: assume-yes is "disabled" if not specified. But if you only specifies one package with no dependencies, it automatically 'assumes' yes (i think) |
| 22:11.20 | Jemt | only specify* |
| 22:11.47 | Gnea | fredo[offline]: je ne parlez pas francais. |
| 22:11.48 | krang | so, how would I make it select "no" at a dpkg screen? |
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| 22:11.55 | SeanTater | Having never used debian (but having used ubuntu), how does each distribution (sarge, etch, sid) compare in stability? |
| 22:12.00 | itchi | Gnea: It's looks ;-) |
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| 22:12.23 | Gnea | itchi: i took french for a couple years, i only remember basics such as that ;) |
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| 22:12.46 | cureless | SeanTater: all this information is only. By some definition of stability, sarge is stable, etch is less stable, sid is unstable. |
| 22:12.49 | itchi | !tell SeanTater -about releases |
| 22:12.51 | Jemt | krang: You probably haft to make your own shell script that asks the user if (s)he wants to install a given package. You can probably use 'read' to get the user-input - just a suggestion |
| 22:12.54 | cureless | s/only/online/ |
| 22:12.56 | Gnea | itchi: it's even more annoying when dealing with mexicans at work who don't know english, since i never took a single class in spanish |
| 22:13.03 | itchi | Gnea: I like comunication :-) |
| 22:13.10 | Gnea | itchi: but i work through it :) |
| 22:13.17 | krang | Jemt: I actually want it to install with no intervention |
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| 22:13.23 | abrotman | SeanTater: well .. they're named sarge,etch,sid which currently translate to stable, testing, unstable .. which do you think is the most stable? :)(those codenames will change when etch is released) |
| 22:13.38 | Jemt | krang: Oh, what's the problem then? apt-get install <pkg> --assume-yes |
| 22:13.52 | Jemt | krang: and dpkg -i <pkg> (automatically assumes yes) |
| 22:14.36 | abrotman | eh .. why is !preseed supposed to ask me for details? |
| 22:15.04 | abrotman | where is unfo? |
| 22:15.06 | krang | Jemt: I want to assume "no" though! |
| 22:15.14 | abrotman | Gnea: click! |
| 22:15.46 | Jemt | krang: No to what? Then don't install it :) |
| 22:16.08 | abrotman | krang: you could try preseeding |
| 22:16.11 | Jemt | krang: Is it a dependency you don't want ? |
| 22:16.16 | abrotman | though .. i don't know that it works after the install .. |
| 22:17.08 | krang | jemt: flash hangs on install when downloading from the web, so i want to say no to web download and then script the update from a file |
| 22:17.10 | Gnea | abrotman: this program is the shiznit, now if it would just stop segfaulting when trying to zoom & pan... ;) |
| 22:17.30 | Jemt | krang: Ah, ok! flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 22:17.31 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 22:17.58 | Gnea | abrotman: i can effectively get it to cut out frames and combine multiple movies together, just need to work on redubbing next |
| 22:18.00 | krang | jemt: yup |
| 22:18.05 | Jemt | krang: I'm actually not sure it hangs. It is (afaik) about 30MB it needs to fetch - and Adobe's servers are SLOW - you are LUCKY if you get above 0.6 kb/s |
| 22:18.26 | krang | jemt: point is, you can update-flashplugin -l <file> |
| 22:18.46 | Jemt | krang: Yes, that is true. But then do that in your shell script :) |
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| 22:19.01 | Jemt | krang: Btw - it is not <file> but <dir> - and remember it is an Absolute path! |
| 22:19.02 | abrotman | Gnea: cinerela ? |
| 22:19.06 | Gnea | abrotman: kino |
| 22:19.08 | krang | jemt: yeah, but I don't want the prompt asking whether to download first |
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| 22:19.13 | abrotman | Gnea: i meant .. have you tried cinerela? |
| 22:19.35 | Jemt | krang: I don't think you can get around that |
| 22:19.36 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 22:19.36 | dpkg | somebody said buckabeer was time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 22:19.38 | Gnea | abrotman: i found the debs but it's got problems in sid right now, so i ditched it and stuck with this |
| 22:19.41 | krang | jemt: well bugger |
| 22:19.47 | abrotman | Gnea: ah ok |
| 22:19.47 | Jemt | krang: Yep :-/ |
| 22:20.14 | krang | Jemt: guess i have to repackage it then |
| 22:20.26 | Jemt | krang: Best bet is to find another way to install flash I think |
| 22:20.55 | krang | jemt: Why on earth I can't assume-no is beyond me. Blah blah blah dangerous blah blah. I might as well use a windows box |
| 22:20.55 | Jemt | krang: Or simply create one more shell script called 'addons.sh' - that is what I have done |
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| 22:21.18 | Jemt | krang: The dialog is part of the package, not part of apt-get |
| 22:21.21 | krang | jemt: how's your script install flas? |
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| 22:21.47 | Jemt | krang: Actually I'm not installing it anymore. Firefox can install it as a plugin |
| 22:21.49 | krang | jemt: still, it'd be nice if apt let me assume no for silly packages like that |
| 22:22.01 | krang | jemt: really? it always fails for me |
| 22:22.06 | Jemt | krang: True - but that's beyond its scope :) |
| 22:22.11 | Jemt | krang: Using Ubuntu ? |
| 22:22.15 | krang | Jemt: yup |
| 22:22.19 | Jemt | krang: That's why |
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| 22:22.29 | krang | Jemt: doubly bollocks |
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| 22:22.46 | Jemt | krang: Ubuntu has this weird idea that they will controle what is being installed. The Mozilla foundation is not excatly thrilled about that idea |
| 22:22.57 | Jemt | controll* |
| 22:23.01 | Jemt | control* |
| 22:23.03 | Maulkin | Please use #ubuntu for Ubuntu support |
| 22:23.28 | krang | Jemt: That is actually super-annoying |
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| 22:24.04 | rmbrain | Does anybody know how I can get some sweet Free fonts? |
| 22:24.14 | rmbrain | I want more than just the default package |
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| 22:24.21 | Jemt | krang: Very, yes. There is plenty reasons why one would choose Debian over Ubuntu. But Ubuntu IS a great OS. If it would run on my laptop, I would probably still be using it. But Dapper became incompatible with my hardware - and sorry about all the Ubuntu talk :) |
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| 22:24.59 | Jemt | rmbrain: Using x.org or XFree? |
| 22:25.04 | dondelelcaro | rmbrain: apt-cache search font; |
| 22:25.06 | rmbrain | Jemt, XFree i think |
| 22:25.11 | Jemt | rmbrain: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Debian:Fonts |
| 22:25.11 | krang | Jemt: ah well, the cracks are showing now. Grrrr. Anyway, I'll talk of Ubuntu no more, sorry guys |
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| 22:25.38 | Jemt | krang: no problem :) |
| 22:25.40 | Maulkin | Damn :) |
| 22:25.55 | beardy | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 22:25.56 | Gnea | death to benny hill! ;) |
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| 22:26.02 | beardy | !comfort Maulkin |
| 22:26.03 | dpkg | There, there, Maulkin. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:26.07 | Jemt | Maulkin is getting ready to kick us for all that non-debian talk ;) |
| 22:26.16 | five0 | are there any instructions on how to use kqemu with qemu on debian (sid?) |
| 22:26.18 | Maulkin | I want a Guinness dammit! :) |
| 22:26.25 | Jemt | Hehe :) |
| 22:26.26 | azeem | !beer Maulkin |
| 22:26.30 | stoned | hey guys |
| 22:26.31 | Maulkin | \o/ |
| 22:26.38 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.38 | Gnea | !beer Maulkin |
| 22:26.41 | stoned | wasn't krang the brain dude from ninja turtles |
| 22:26.44 | stoned | he was cool |
| 22:26.48 | Maulkin | Jemt: It's quiet. I don't care too much :) |
| 22:26.52 | Gnea | stoned: yeah |
| 22:26.55 | Maulkin | Bah. IPA. |
| 22:26.55 | krang | stoned: oh he *so* was :-) |
| 22:26.59 | Jemt | Maulkin: Hehe, ok :) |
| 22:27.01 | Gnea | !beer Maulkin |
| 22:27.06 | Maulkin | \o/ |
| 22:27.12 | Gnea | Maulkin: looks like the tap is dry :/ |
| 22:27.13 | azeem | are you going to get him drunk? |
| 22:27.16 | Jemt | Oh, Ninja Turtles - they Rule - best thing ever to watch when I was a child :) |
| 22:27.18 | stoned | lol |
| 22:27.21 | Maulkin | Anyway... back to the topic... |
| 22:27.34 | Maulkin | (There are limits :P) |
| 22:27.38 | stoned | intoxication from virtual beer |
| 22:27.38 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:27.41 | Gnea | damnit, where did abrotman go |
| 22:27.43 | beardy | Which was..? |
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| 22:27.57 | beardy | Gnea: drinking beer |
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| 22:28.14 | Gnea | beardy: probably |
| 22:28.14 | beardy | Gnea: He said so atleast. |
| 22:28.19 | Gnea | stoned: do you have video+audio playback capability right now? |
| 22:28.28 | stoned | with? |
| 22:28.37 | stoned | Gnea, xgl |
| 22:28.37 | Gnea | mpeg |
| 22:28.38 | itchi | I have get a cup of coffee :-) |
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| 22:28.44 | stoned | oh, yeah, everything is fine |
| 22:28.50 | Gnea | oh ok cool |
| 22:28.52 | itchi | alcolics here |
| 22:29.00 | stoned | thanks for asking, I'm not sure why though hehe |
| 22:29.04 | Gnea | http://69.204.121.103/~gnea/movies/test3.mpeg |
| 22:29.13 | stoned | oh I see |
| 22:29.16 | Gnea | that's kind of a rough test right now |
| 22:29.20 | stoned | gonna make me your guinee pig huh |
| 22:29.23 | Gnea | i just wanna make sure that others can view it alright |
| 22:29.31 | Gnea | if you don't mind ;) |
| 22:29.38 | Gnea | i made it with kino in debian, so it's on-topic ;) |
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| 22:30.01 | Jemt | Gnea: Hehe, checking :) |
| 22:30.30 | Jemt | Gnea: Is it possible to import movie clips in Kino, og do you haft to import it directly from the CamCorder ? |
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| 22:30.50 | stoned | wgetting right now |
| 22:31.01 | itchi | Gnea: You're a homo ?? |
| 22:31.02 | stoned | brb, its gonna take a while |
| 22:31.08 | stoned | itchi, wtf? |
| 22:31.16 | Jemt | Gnea: I must admit that I usually install Windows when I need to do video editing - Movie Makes is quite good. A Linux alternative would be nice |
| 22:31.19 | Gnea | Jemt: yes, you can import them directly - file->open will detect and if so, will ask you if you want to import |
| 22:31.23 | itchi | stoned: Look to the link an go to the root :-) |
| 22:31.59 | Jemt | Gnea: Oh, very nice :) |
| 22:31.59 | stoned | yeah, I got kicked for namecalling yesterday |
| 22:31.59 | Gnea | itchi: someone needs to learn you some manners. no. |
| 22:31.59 | stoned | don't do it |
| 22:32.00 | stoned | haha, eboincs |
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| 22:32.00 | Gnea | itchi: homosapien? yes. |
| 22:32.00 | itchi | http://69.204.121.103/ |
| 22:32.00 | stoned | let me learn you something real quick |
| 22:32.00 | stoned | lol |
| 22:32.00 | Gnea | hehe |
| 22:32.09 | itchi | Gnea: It's your link ! |
| 22:32.11 | Maulkin | ... |
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| 22:32.21 | Gnea | itchi: you're an idiot. |
| 22:32.31 | itchi | Gnea: Yes i know ;-) |
| 22:32.31 | Maulkin | <pedant>TEACH, not LEARN</pedant> |
| 22:32.34 | LinuxMan | I wanna install Debian In LVM mode, after installl base system it said I must setup LILO! but I like GRUB! how can I change it? |
| 22:32.34 | stoned | Gnea, eta 14 min |
| 22:32.43 | stoned | Maulkin, not in ebonics man |
| 22:32.58 | Gnea | Maulkin: no, 'learn' is right. before you can teach someone, you need to learn how they learn. |
| 22:33.06 | Gnea | :) |
| 22:33.12 | stoned | thats is just senseles |
| 22:33.15 | stoned | lol |
| 22:33.25 | stoned | im gonna to drop the kids off at the pool, brb, your video eta is 12 min |
| 22:33.36 | Maulkin | Learn is incorrect. You can't 'learn' someone something. |
| 22:33.39 | Jemt | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.43 | Gnea | ask any elementary school teacher. before they can teach the kids, they need to learn their attitudes and adjustments. |
| 22:33.44 | Jemt | Hm, nope - this IS #debian :) |
| 22:34.03 | Maulkin | YEs. Learn is the process, not the action |
| 22:34.51 | Supaplex | !stab gmail for being so slow |
| 22:35.31 | Maulkin | Gnea: Which means that the sentance fragment "let me learn you" is incorrect |
| 22:35.51 | Jemt | I totally agree with Maulkin |
| 22:36.29 | Jemt | The case is, that 'learn' and 'teach' is translated into the same word in many languages - ie Danish |
| 22:36.51 | Supaplex | news flash, this isn't Danish |
| 22:37.01 | Jemt | It's not ? O.O |
| 22:37.04 | Jemt | Bugger |
| 22:38.02 | beardy | Is "learn" used only when one speaks of oneself, and "teach", when one says to teach someone else something, so he will "learn" it? |
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| 22:38.28 | JoshH | you can teach yourself something, but you can't learn something to someone else |
| 22:38.50 | itchi | If i come here, it's been to learn some things ? |
| 22:39.10 | Supaplex | or teach |
| 22:39.13 | beardy | JoshH: But I can learn myself? |
| 22:39.26 | JoshH | you can learn something yourself |
| 22:39.32 | JoshH | like "i learned english" |
| 22:39.51 | stoned | oh my god |
| 22:39.55 | stoned | we're still on that thing |
| 22:39.58 | Jemt | beardy: Nope, you can Teach yourself |
| 22:40.28 | beardy | Jemt: I can learn to teach myself? |
| 22:40.30 | stoned | look man, "Let me learn you something" is perfectly fine, like I said, in ebonics, slang, etc. Thats all. Why are we fighting over slang and proper english? |
| 22:40.39 | Jemt | beardy: Yep ;) |
| 22:40.48 | beardy | stoned: We're not fighting at all. |
| 22:40.51 | stoned | word |
| 22:41.06 | Jemt | stoned: Not fighting - having a conversation |
| 22:41.25 | Maulkin | That's why I used <pedant> tags :) |
| 22:41.29 | itchi | He friends '!champagne' ?? |
| 22:41.30 | Gnea | Maulkin: this is irc, not a grammar final. sometimes it's necessary to break things down in order to make the learning/teaching process work. after all, itchi thought i was a bot yesterday. :) |
| 22:41.38 | Maulkin | We should probably move this to somewhere else :) |
| 22:41.54 | itchi | Gnea: ;-) |
| 22:42.02 | Maulkin | Gnea: Yeah, just a pet hate of mine :) |
| 22:42.29 | stoned | I stopped having pet peeves |
| 22:42.40 | jshoenberger | Yea, the shit all over the carpet |
| 22:42.42 | stoned | I dunno why. All I have now is psychotic freakin hatreds, not more pet peves |
| 22:42.44 | jshoenberger | they* |
| 22:42.44 | Maulkin | Gnea: It's similar to apostrophe abuse with me :) |
| 22:42.59 | Gnea | Maulkin: i dig :) |
| 22:43.13 | Maulkin | Gnea: Oh, and their/there/they're |
| 22:43.21 | Gnea | Maulkin: right, those get me too |
| 22:43.24 | Jemt | Gnea: In danish that means "I you" ;) |
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| 22:43.35 | Jemt | Gnea: "In you" even .) |
| 22:43.58 | stoned | and in norwegian and swedish |
| 22:44.03 | Jemt | Hehe :) |
| 22:44.05 | stoned | Har det met dig? |
| 22:44.06 | Maulkin | And its/it's |
| 22:44.13 | Jemt | stoned: hehe :) |
| 22:44.25 | stoned | now I like the word for good in swedish |
| 22:44.27 | stoned | BRA |
| 22:44.31 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:44.44 | Jemt | stoned: Oh yea - quite popular in Denmark too |
| 22:44.49 | Maulkin | http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/ |
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| 22:45.34 | Gnea | dude, this needs to be in the factoids: http://youtube.com/watch?v=0nU0uy8Mfzo |
| 22:46.05 | itchi | It's best that i not complain that i not get my 'Academy Service 1 & 2' working under wine. My old diabolic CD for $M to learn english :-/ |
| 22:46.11 | bnovc | is there any way to get oracle support in php using a debian php package? |
| 22:46.16 | bnovc | or do i have to compile php separetly |
| 22:46.52 | Maulkin | coo! |
| 22:47.01 | itchi | Gnea: Yes, add it :-) |
| 22:47.04 | Gnea | !info sqlrelay |
| 22:47.08 | Maulkin | !install video is http://youtube.com/watch?v=0nU0uy8Mfzo |
| 22:47.09 | dpkg | okay, Maulkin |
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| 22:49.00 | anabain | how can I make that grep str*ng returns only one character for the * symbol? that is, which is the wilcard for only one symbol? |
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| 22:49.14 | stoned | Gnea, wth is it? just a random video of a sarge install? |
| 22:49.25 | bnovc | anabain: probably a better way but you could use sed |
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| 22:50.49 | Maulkin | anabain: "?" |
| 22:51.02 | Gnea | stoned: yeah |
| 22:51.16 | fackamato | hi guys |
| 22:51.23 | Gnea | in vmware, of all things |
| 22:51.25 | fackamato | I want to mount an nfs exported filesystem over the internet |
| 22:51.30 | killown | whats terminal has transparency perfect as show icons desktop if even video to back terminal? |
| 22:51.36 | fackamato | is there ways that I can improve the security? |
| 22:51.38 | Vasistha | anabain: use '.' |
| 22:51.38 | anabain | Maulkin, this, "?", doesn't work |
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| 22:51.43 | fackamato | tunneling via ssh? |
| 22:51.46 | Gnea | fackamato: do it over an encrypted tunnel |
| 22:51.51 | Le_vengeur_masqu | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu |
| 22:51.56 | Jemt | Eh |
| 22:51.59 | Vasistha | anabain: grep 'str.ng' file-to-greo |
| 22:52.18 | stoned | Gnea, is this you driving around? |
| 22:52.24 | fackamato | Gnea: sounds good, but I've no idea on how to do that... it's hard to find howtos/guides.. I'll keep googling |
| 22:52.27 | Gnea | stoned: basically |
| 22:52.28 | Jemt | killown: None. You need "true" transparency. There is an extension available for Gnome that can render all your windows transparent as far as I know |
| 22:52.33 | stoned | Gnea, you can't drive |
| 22:52.34 | stoned | :( |
| 22:52.37 | stoned | j/k |
| 22:52.51 | killown | Jemt whats? |
| 22:52.53 | Jemt | killown: If your hardware supports it, you might find XGL interesting - it's very nice :) |
| 22:53.02 | stoned | so why did you tell me to watch a video of you driving around? |
| 22:53.04 | killown | Jemt ahh ok thanks |
| 22:53.05 | Jemt | killown: I don't remember the name unfortunately |
| 22:53.14 | Gnea | stoned: they were 2 separate videos. the camera panned down to show the dash toward the end of both. so i editted those portions out and put the 2 together. |
| 22:53.15 | stoned | Gnea, is that a linux video editing apps product? |
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| 22:53.28 | anabain | Vasistha, thank you very much |
| 22:53.34 | Gnea | stoned: yes |
| 22:53.37 | stoned | word |
| 22:53.40 | stoned | which one is it? |
| 22:53.40 | Gnea | :) |
| 22:53.42 | Gnea | kino |
| 22:53.47 | stoned | for kde? |
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| 22:53.55 | Gnea | actually it uses gtk |
| 22:53.59 | Jemt | stoned: For what-ever :) |
| 22:54.06 | Jemt | Kino works fine in Gnome too |
| 22:54.13 | anabain | kino is a fine and nice program |
| 22:54.28 | stoned | bah, gtk2 based |
| 22:54.30 | vahid | hi! |
| 22:54.42 | stoned | standard list of features |
| 22:54.54 | Gnea | stoned: if you have a firewire-based camera, you can use it to pull files directly off of the camera and whatnot. it's also great as a standalone video editor. |
| 22:55.03 | vahid | i have file , and i need find which package contain this file |
| 22:55.04 | stoned | I do not, but I need one |
| 22:55.07 | bnovc | anyone use anything beside putty in windows? know of any tabbed clients? |
| 22:55.17 | Gnea | vahid: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 22:55.23 | stoned | so I can chat with all the fly honeys online etc. ahem |
| 22:55.24 | Jemt | vahid: apt-file can tell you what package that contains the file |
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| 22:55.36 | vahid | Gnea, Jemt tnx |
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| 22:55.42 | Jemt | vahid: You need to install it first :) |
| 22:55.49 | Jemt | vahid: 'apt-get install apt-file' |
| 22:56.15 | Jemt | vahid: Then do a (as far as I remember) ' apt-file update ' and afterwards ' apt-file search <pkg ' |
| 22:56.18 | Jemt | <pkg> |
| 22:56.25 | itchi | Gnea: Need you 'avidemux' ? |
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| 22:57.13 | itchi | Gnea: http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/ |
| 22:57.34 | vahid | Jemt, i have this file ( /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLw.a ) |
| 22:57.51 | Jemt | vahid: Oh, that sort of file |
| 22:57.53 | vahid | Jemt, but i need unistall package |
| 22:58.10 | Jemt | vahid: Sorry, I thought you were looking for a program, and wanted to know which package it belonged to |
| 22:58.12 | vahid | Jemt, but which package??? |
| 22:58.23 | Jemt | vahid: Sorry, can't help you - I don't know |
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| 22:59.00 | vahid | Jemt, dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLw.a |
| 22:59.09 | vahid | Gnea, tell it at first |
| 22:59.14 | vahid | tnx |
| 22:59.19 | Jemt | vahid: Ah, nice - thanks :) |
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| 23:04.04 | LinuxMan | were can I founf w32codecs for Debian! |
| 23:04.26 | itchi | linux2: On marillat |
| 23:04.42 | itchi | !tell LinuxMan -about marillat |
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| 23:10.09 | vahid | i uninstall a paclage and i can't intall it again :(( |
| 23:10.30 | vahid | xlibmesa-gl is already the newest version. |
| 23:10.48 | vahid | what can i do ? anyone can help me? |
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| 23:11.32 | Piet | vahid: you didnt uninstall it properly |
| 23:11.33 | itchi | vahid: It's already install?? already the newest version ? |
| 23:11.34 | Jemt | vahid: Sure it has been removed ? |
| 23:11.43 | Gnea | itchi: uhm, avidemux is in apt, no need for the url |
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| 23:12.17 | itchi | Gnea: It was more for the screen shots ;-) So you view what it is before trying it :-) |
| 23:12.47 | itchi | Gnea: I had to tell it, sorry :-/ |
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| 23:13.43 | cds | Can anyone hazard a guess as to why my sound is really quiet? |
| 23:13.51 | vahid | :"> |
| 23:13.58 | cureless | cds: your volume is low |
| 23:14.09 | cds | cureless: Nope, it's on full volume. |
| 23:14.16 | cds | cureless: In both my speakers and amaroK. |
| 23:14.19 | cureless | cds: you plugged the spakers into line-out |
| 23:14.45 | cureless | cds: your speakers are powered speakers but they're not really on |
| 23:14.46 | cds | cureless: Nope. |
| 23:14.52 | Piet | you didnt power on your computer |
| 23:14.55 | cds | cureless: Nope :) |
| 23:14.57 | cds | heh |
| 23:15.02 | cureless | Piet: don't jump ahead |
| 23:15.06 | itchi | cds: Your deaf ? |
| 23:15.09 | cds | I'm thinnig it might be a software thing. |
| 23:15.16 | itchi | cds: Like me a bit :-) |
| 23:15.16 | cds | Nope :) |
| 23:15.26 | cureless | cds: how about sound from other sources? |
| 23:15.49 | cureless | cds: have you run a real mixer (like with all channels displayed) and turned them all up? |
| 23:15.52 | cds | Any recomendations to what to check? |
| 23:16.04 | cds | cureless: Where's the mixer? |
| 23:16.10 | cureless | cds: run alsamixer or alsamixergui, turn everything up |
| 23:16.17 | cureless | or the kde mixer if you're using kde |
| 23:16.24 | cds | Ok, I don't have alsamixer. |
| 23:16.25 | cureless | apt-get install alsamixergui (IIRC) |
| 23:16.30 | cureless | or alsamixer |
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| 23:17.22 | itchi | cds: If i plug my headset, the speakers get lower volume |
| 23:17.29 | fackamato | of course |
| 23:17.44 | cds | Hm, alsamixer isn't in apt? |
| 23:17.51 | freeone3000 | alsa-utils |
| 23:17.52 | cds | Lets try in my headphones.. |
| 23:17.54 | freeone3000 | Or something along there. |
| 23:17.56 | cds | Ah, thanks. |
| 23:18.30 | Stevie-O | God bless quiznos |
| 23:18.33 | cds | Nope, they're quiet too. |
| 23:18.42 | itchi | cds: I have set an Y so that i have 2 lines on one line. But there is a bit lesser power. So if i use the both at same time. The both get lower volume |
| 23:18.43 | cureless | cds: alsamixergui is a separate package |
| 23:19.05 | cds | itchi: I tried just 'front' speakers. |
| 23:19.06 | stoned | Gnea, you around? |
| 23:19.13 | Gnea | stoned: yeah, i think i got it! |
| 23:19.19 | stoned | word |
| 23:19.23 | Gnea | exporting now |
| 23:19.31 | stoned | while you're doing that |
| 23:19.35 | Gnea | ? |
| 23:19.40 | stoned | Gnea, http://bungs.dontexist.com/kde.jpg |
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| 23:20.27 | stoned | my desktop |
| 23:20.39 | k31th | h one of those |
| 23:20.39 | Gnea | stoned: what the hell? is that a video being played as a root-background overlay? |
| 23:21.01 | Stevie-O | stoned: your desktop is not big enough |
| 23:21.01 | stoned | xgl kicks buttocks |
| 23:21.07 | stoned | Stevie-O, i know |
| 23:21.13 | stoned | I'm working on another monitory, funds |
| 23:21.50 | stoned | it crashes a bit though |
| 23:21.51 | cds | cureless: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 23:21.57 | cds | What does that mean? |
| 23:22.01 | Stevie-O | lol |
| 23:22.05 | itchi | stoned: I try that band |
| 23:22.14 | Gnea | stoned: i have success. uploading. |
| 23:22.16 | stoned | cds, going through dmix? |
| 23:22.17 | Stevie-O | it means that alsamixer's snd_ctl_open function failed for the default because there was no such device |
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| 23:22.29 | cureless | cds: let's start at the beginning. Are you using debian? what debian? what kernel are you using? are you using alsa? |
| 23:22.34 | cds | stoned: Not even sure what that is. |
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| 23:22.44 | stoned | cds, ok never mind then |
| 23:22.53 | stoned | cds, I only got that error from mplayer when I told it to use alsa |
| 23:23.00 | Gnea | stoned: are you familiar with transformers: the movie? |
| 23:23.01 | stoned | I mix through dmix and alsa |
| 23:23.04 | cds | cureless: I'm using sarge, but with testing apt. Not updated my ernel, can find out if you want. Not sure. |
| 23:23.05 | stoned | Gnea, who isn't |
| 23:23.08 | Gnea | hehe |
| 23:23.10 | Gnea | rock on |
| 23:23.11 | stoned | cds, /msg dpkg dmix |
| 23:23.20 | cureless | cds: what kernel are you using? |
| 23:23.28 | Stevie-O | why does that make me think 'dpkg dpkg revolution' |
| 23:23.31 | cds | 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 23:23.42 | cureless | cds: I see. |
| 23:23.48 | stoned | Transformers, Robots in disguise, <electronic noises> |
| 23:23.51 | cds | stoned: afaik, I don't use that. |
| 23:24.05 | stoned | cds, its great, much faster than any sound servr i've used |
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| 23:24.26 | Gnea | stoned: this is dope. the 2 editted clips formed together to form 1:50 minutes of video+audio. so i used audacity to make an ogg vorbis clip at *exactly* 1 minute, 50 seconds and performed an ffmpeg dub onto the finished video. the result is what i'm uploading now. |
| 23:24.32 | cureless | stoned: he's at a previous stage problem, no dmix problems yet. |
| 23:24.39 | cds | How can I tell what sound server I'm using? |
| 23:25.05 | stoned | Gnea, cool. I do things with hydrogen+audacity, for my recordings |
| 23:25.05 | Gnea | stoned: http://69.204.121.103/~gnea/test4.mpeg |
| 23:25.17 | Gnea | stoned: kickass. |
| 23:25.18 | stoned | 404 |
| 23:25.25 | cureless | cds: lsmod do you have snd_ modules? |
| 23:25.28 | Gnea | stoned: http://69.204.121.103/~gnea/movies/test4.mpeg |
| 23:25.30 | Gnea | oops |
| 23:25.49 | cds | cureless: Just to be clear, I get sound, it's just realllly quiet. |
| 23:25.59 | stoned | cds, that error means nothing |
| 23:26.07 | cureless | cds: ok, forget that, install aumix |
| 23:26.09 | stoned | cds, you get it but just ok out of it, sound will still work |
| 23:26.13 | cds | I don't have lsmod? |
| 23:26.30 | cds | stoned: huh? |
| 23:26.34 | stoned | I stop having that error when I stop using dmix or use another audio driver in mplayer |
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| 23:26.37 | cureless | cds: just install aumix, run aumix, raise volume |
| 23:26.44 | cds | Ok. |
| 23:27.14 | brothers | heya. man spits out bad characters instead of quotemarks when i do `man muttrc` |
| 23:27.22 | cds | Aha! |
| 23:27.26 | cds | cureless: Thanks! |
| 23:27.41 | cureless | cds: np, we were trying to fix the whole thing, it was easier to just raise the volume |
| 23:28.04 | cds | Heh, yeah. |
| 23:28.30 | cds | It just got annoying, cos it was only audable at full volume of my speakers, so if I had quiet music, I couldn't hear it. |
| 23:28.38 | beardy | brothers: quotemarks? |
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| 23:29.12 | bhearsum | anyone ever used a Promise SATA300 TX2 card in debian? |
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| 23:29.47 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 23:29.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:29.59 | brothers | beardy: it could be bold characters, i dunno |
| 23:30.02 | Vasistha | bhearsum: ^^^ |
| 23:30.32 | kepht | brothers: echo $LANG ..what does that say, change with export LANG=<choice> ..also try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 23:30.50 | beardy | brothers: Those are backticks, this is quotes: 'foo', those "bad characters" are probably terminal control codes. Where and why are you doing that? And, use $(some command) instead, it lets you not confuse ` with ' |
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| 23:31.07 | beardy | brothers: If you use bash. |
| 23:31.31 | Caroline_wp | Hey Jared |
| 23:31.36 | brothers | heya |
| 23:31.39 | num00 | could someone give me hand with this error i do get from hcid during start, Can't write inquiry mode for hci0: Input/output error (5) |
| 23:31.44 | Caroline_wp | How are you? |
| 23:32.04 | brothers | doing well |
| 23:32.29 | Caroline_wp | What do you want to talk about? |
| 23:32.34 | brothers | beardy: it's not `` that i'm talking about. using those for 'run this' notation |
| 23:33.14 | vahid | how can i ignore this --> The following packages have unmet dependencies ? |
| 23:33.40 | Gnea | vahid: install the dependancies |
| 23:34.10 | stoned | dependencies get auto installed |
| 23:34.17 | Gnea | most of the time |
| 23:34.23 | stoned | if they are not being installed and you still get it then depends are broke more than likely |
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| 23:34.43 | Gnea | might need another apt source |
| 23:34.47 | brothers | beardy: I'm using PuTTY on someone else's machine, so i guess it's boldness characters being interpreted wrong |
| 23:34.53 | carrett | whoa, nobody moved to oftc |
| 23:34.56 | carrett | you're all here |
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| 23:35.23 | vahid | Gnea, xlibmesa-gl-dev: Depends: xlibmesa-gl (= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1) but 6.9.0.dfsg.1-5bpo2 is to be installed |
| 23:35.27 | stoned | I coexist on both, like "I know that humans and fish can coexist together peacefully..." |
| 23:35.35 | vahid | Gnea, i have it |
| 23:35.36 | carrett | lol |
| 23:35.36 | brothers | \w Caroline_wp |
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| 23:35.53 | stoned | carrett, you know who said that? |
| 23:35.56 | stew | i'm hoping to have a fish coexist in my stomach soon |
| 23:36.01 | rvgate | How do i install a font? i have a .ttf |
| 23:36.06 | Gnea | vahid: xlibmesa-gl is old then, you installed the backport version |
| 23:36.12 | carrett | stoned: no, please educate me |
| 23:36.15 | stoned | stew, do you know who said that famous quote |
| 23:36.28 | stoned | George W. Bush, on TV, said, exact words, as I quoted above |
| 23:36.32 | stew | "I'm hoping to have a fish coexist in my stomach soon" -Mike "stew" O'Connor |
| 23:36.33 | carrett | stfu |
| 23:36.35 | stew | stoned: ^^ that one? |
| 23:36.36 | carrett | lol |
| 23:36.43 | stoned | video.google.com search bush |
| 23:36.45 | stoned | watch some of them |
| 23:36.49 | stoned | you'll find it somewhere |
| 23:36.56 | stoned | andy dick made fun of that too |
| 23:37.08 | rvgate | stoned -> pm |
| 23:37.14 | stoned | sure |
| 23:37.30 | beardy | brothers: Ah, yes, that's possible. Check your $TERM (with 'echo $TERM'). |
| 23:37.41 | carrett | well, learn something new every day |
| 23:37.44 | Dewi | brothers: putty doesn't use UTF-8 by default |
| 23:38.04 | Dewi | brothers: maybe the server is using something other than Latin1. If so, putty needs to be configured to match. |
| 23:38.06 | carrett | he's still a terd sandwich in my mind |
| 23:38.07 | stoned | stew, no no, hehe, the bush thing about fish and humans |
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| 23:38.21 | brothers | hmm, $TERM is screen |
| 23:38.37 | stoned | I can hear my wireless keyboard in my speakers! |
| 23:38.41 | stoned | that can't be good |
| 23:38.42 | Dewi | brothers: 'locale' |
| 23:38.56 | carrett | stoned: my speakers make some noise whenever my cellphone is about to ring |
| 23:39.15 | stoned | carrett, thats a very high frequency, keyboards don't operate at such high frequencies |
| 23:39.32 | beardy | brothers: Change the character encoding in putty, if you have to, as Dewi talks about. |
| 23:39.33 | vahid | Gnea, how can i install backport? |
| 23:39.33 | stoned | cell phones its normal to expect that, but with keyboards and mice? hmm |
| 23:39.42 | stoned | vahid, /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:39.47 | itchi | carrett: Keep it far of your head when you sleep |
| 23:39.49 | carrett | stoned: yeah...no doubt. i'm just commiserating |
| 23:39.50 | stoned | vahid, each backport site has instructions |
| 23:40.02 | carrett | itchi: no doubt |
| 23:40.05 | Dewi | stoned: sound cards aren't very well shielded |
| 23:40.16 | stoned | no they are not |
| 23:40.20 | Dewi | stoned: you can hear lots of stuff going on inside and outside the computer if you turn the volume loud enough |
| 23:40.34 | carrett | werd |
| 23:40.44 | stoned | its loud enough, I can hear each keystroke sending signals like the beeping/clicking of morse code |
| 23:40.55 | carrett | jeez |
| 23:40.56 | Dewi | stoned: nifty |
| 23:41.07 | carrett | nifty/maddening |
| 23:41.07 | stoned | rvgate, you said you were going to msg me, what happened? |
| 23:41.17 | stoned | rvgate, you need a registered nick to msg me I think |
| 23:42.05 | brothers | Dewi: bingo. LANG=en_US.UTF-8, but putty was using latin-1 |
| 23:42.17 | brothers | thanks, beardy |
| 23:42.41 | beardy | brothers: You're welcome. |
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| 23:42.53 | itchi | rvgate: Yes, need to register /msg nickserv help register |
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| 23:42.59 | Dewi | brothers: yeah. It doesn't automatically pick it up for me either. But unicode pleases me. |
| 23:43.43 | Dewi | 09:42:38 <stoned> fucking laws man |
| 23:43.43 | Dewi | 09:42:54 <stoned> I want to fuck a 12 year old, yes thats right you heard me, but allowe me to explain |
| 23:43.54 | itchi | rvgate: Look to http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration |
| 23:44.04 | Dewi | stoned: it looks bad until I add the rest, yes? |
| 23:44.15 | Dewi | 09:44:00 <stoned> if you look old enough, then its cool, but if you're old enough and you look like you're not, thats not cool |
| 23:44.19 | rvgate | itchi, stoned, hmm, RvGaTe^off is registered and authed :P i know how to do it, but didn't yet |
| 23:44.20 | Dewi | stoned: sorry about that :P |
| 23:44.29 | rvgate | stoned -> skype :D |
| 23:44.34 | stoned | Dewi, tsk tsk tsk |
| 23:45.06 | stoned | that was better left to pm and not #debian |
| 23:45.19 | Dewi | yeah I... slipped |
| 23:45.55 | stoned | what was that, a feeble attempt to make me look like a pedophile? |
| 23:46.13 | stoned | nevermind man, thats just disturbing |
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| 23:46.24 | itchi | Aagh, evolution is broken in Etch it's looks, identical same trouble on 2 computers :-/ |
| 23:46.39 | itchi | No mail :-/ |
| 23:46.56 | Ronin | itchi: no mail=no spam |
| 23:47.06 | itchi | Ronin: That's right ;-) |
| 23:47.09 | Dewi | stoned: sorry dude... I actually thought it was funny, but I didn't mean to paste it here |
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| 23:48.01 | stoned | Dewi, yes, shocking statement, which waits a bit on its punchlines, and shows how funny the thought process was. you take it out of context and paste it here, and that can potentially slander the fuck outta me |
| 23:48.05 | stoned | bad move |
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| 23:48.19 | Dewi | 09:48:12 <Dewi> personally I like dogs. Domestic animals, all kinds of mammal. |
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| 23:48.31 | vahid | how can i install aaa.dep ? |
| 23:48.31 | Vasistha | Dewi: can you quit with the pasting in #debian ? |
| 23:48.33 | stew | can you guys just stop? |
| 23:48.40 | darkcmd | surpised people still talk in here |
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| 23:48.50 | Dewi | it would probably be for the best if I did. |
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| 23:49.44 | stoned | rvgate, hold on dude one sec |
| 23:50.10 | itchi | vahid: Mean you that you would install an deb file ? |
| 23:50.24 | vahid | itchi, yes |
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| 23:50.54 | stoned | awee, that wasn't the keyboard, I forgot I left my chordless phone next to the speakers |
| 23:50.56 | itchi | !tell vahid -about apt |
| 23:50.57 | stoned | :/ |
| 23:51.26 | itchi | vahid: Know you about apt to get packages of the reposition ? |
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| 23:52.13 | itchi | vahid: Arg if you want directly go 'dpkg -i aa.deb' |
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| 23:52.36 | vahid | itchi, tnx :) |
| 23:53.05 | stoned | rvgate, apt-get install wine |
| 23:53.16 | stoned | rvgate, and maybe winesetuptk |
| 23:53.19 | stoned | or something |
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| 23:54.37 | itchi | vahid: Why want you install an deb ? |
| 23:55.06 | ktwilight | ... |
| 23:55.12 | ktwilight | itchi, you're still alive? |
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| 23:55.14 | ktwilight | that's crazy |
| 23:55.15 | ktwilight | haha |
| 23:55.20 | itchi | ktwilight: Sure :-) |
| 23:55.31 | ktwilight | don't you ever sleep? |
| 23:56.07 | itchi | ktwilight: Yes, some time. You not ?? |
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| 23:56.29 | ktwilight | will do soon :) |
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| 23:57.02 | itchi | ktwilight: Where are you in Belgium? |
| 23:57.21 | Stevie-O | lmfao |
| 23:57.24 | itchi | Belgium is sooooo smallll |
| 23:57.38 | ktwilight | in antwerp |
| 23:57.46 | ktwilight | you? |
| 23:57.48 | itchi | ktwilight: Around Brussels her |
| 23:57.48 | Stevie-O | Some of these man pages are funny. |
| 23:57.57 | darkcmd | does anyone know where you can buy cables for obsolete devices such as RLL, MFM, and ESDI drives? |
| 23:58.05 | ktwilight | oh right |
| 23:58.08 | ktwilight | french people :P |
| 23:58.20 | Stevie-O | darkcmd: ... That's a good question. |
| 23:58.32 | itchi | ktwilight: Both, originally Dutch |
| 23:58.34 | vahid | itchi, i can't set backport |
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| 23:58.50 | Stevie-O | darkcmd: That reminds me, I need to recover the geneaology information from my (recently deceased) grandfather's 386. I'm betting a liveCD will be my best bet. |
| 23:58.54 | itchi | vahid: About what tell you ? |
| 23:58.58 | vahid | itchi, and som package install from backport |
| 23:59.10 | vahid | itchi vahid: Why want you install an deb ? |
| 23:59.12 | darkcmd | Stevie-O, what type of disk system does it use? |
| 23:59.12 | itchi | ktwilight: If you want there is #debian-belgium where i wait desesperately :-/ |
| 23:59.19 | Stevie-O | darkcmd: I don't know! |
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| 23:59.38 | darkcmd | open it up some time and look |
| 23:59.41 | Stevie-O | but i'm pretty sure it's at least a 386, which means Linux will work on it |
| 23:59.44 | Stevie-O | I don't have it here at my place |
| 23:59.51 | ktwilight | je ne suis pas un belgique :P |
