| 00:00.47 | abrotman | uh oh what? |
| 00:00.58 | abrotman | if you don't think it's supposed to be happening .. ask lilo |
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| 00:02.07 | unix_infidel | i didnt mean anything by it :P |
| 00:02.16 | unix_infidel | just saying something must be a foot. |
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| 00:03.45 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:04.37 | itchi | hehe everyone got stress it's look's, arg, take !beer and everything goes better :-) |
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| 00:05.13 | christor | Please I m isntalling a server NIS (master and slave) the master work properly , the salve work proerly. however the update from the master to the slave is not working. When I add a user to the master , normally it should update auto the slave , and it is not working. To do the update I have to lauch ypinit -s master on the slave. On internet they speak about the ypxfrd which should be started as deamon on the slave. However I can t find it on Debian? |
| 00:06.05 | linux2 | doesa anyone here know what could be causing webmin to run so slowly |
| 00:06.11 | abrotman | it sucks? |
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| 00:07.19 | linux2 | abrotman, well what do you suggest instead of webmin? |
| 00:07.24 | abrotman | vi |
| 00:08.19 | itchi | linux2: cli :-) |
| 00:08.37 | itchi | linux2: Why need you to use webmin ? |
| 00:08.49 | linux2 | itchi, cause im too lazy |
| 00:09.05 | linux2 | itchi, plus half the stuff i don't know how to do in the command line |
| 00:09.20 | itchi | linux2: You still need to learn it :-/ |
| 00:10.08 | linux2 | i wonder why webmin is running so slow |
| 00:10.12 | linux2 | normally it runs great |
| 00:11.12 | itchi | linux2: Step by step, you could learn some things, take for example that from this time you try 80% with webmin an 20% ala cli, what you already know howto ala cli, do it ala cli. What you not could do it with webmin in awaiting you learn the cli. So that you finally end up at 100% ala cli |
| 00:11.13 | linux2 | guess i will just restart |
| 00:11.55 | MatBoy | is it not possible to idle here anymore ? |
| 00:11.57 | linux2 | itchi, yeah but it takes a really long time to learn it. cause sometimes i just actually learn to know what it is because webmin has it as an option |
| 00:12.41 | itchi | linux2: Make some personal notes of what you not know or forget ?? |
| 00:13.10 | itchi | linux2: If you never try it ala cli, im sure you would never learn the cli way :-/ |
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| 00:14.03 | abrotman | linux2: so you're too lazy to learn something else .. and too lazy to find out why it's running slowly ? |
| 00:14.15 | abrotman | MatBoy: sure .. why ? |
| 00:14.25 | linux2 | abrotman, well i have no idea why its running slowly |
| 00:14.46 | MatBoy | abrotman, I was kicked, I think because of the server-problem, but the message was... idle more than 5 min |
| 00:14.47 | abrotman | linux2: webmin sucks .. |
| 00:14.54 | itchi | linux2: The reboot are not going to learn you somethings |
| 00:14.56 | abrotman | MatBoy: or it's your router |
| 00:15.10 | MatBoy | abrotman, never had any problems with it :) |
| 00:15.18 | Amarande | Hmm. |
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| 00:15.33 | abrotman | MatBoy: i idled most of the day .. |
| 00:15.33 | linux2 | itchi, there is no reason as to why it shouldn't work |
| 00:15.35 | Amarande | What do I do with the spare Linux box if I decide to quit running Windows entirely and install Linux on this one? |
| 00:15.39 | MatBoy | abrotman, I also |
| 00:15.43 | kombinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.51 | kombinator | sorry |
| 00:15.57 | itchi | linux2: There's no reason to be are to lazy an hope that with an reboot ....... |
| 00:15.59 | MatBoy | abrotman, doesn't matter... my system is going down for the first time in 2,5 months now :) |
| 00:16.02 | Amarande | Maybe I should set it up as a router. How easy do you think it would be to set up a Linux router that can be booted from a CD? |
| 00:16.06 | abrotman | MatBoy: good |
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| 00:16.17 | MatBoy | abrotman, thanks to Debain ! |
| 00:16.23 | linux2 | itchi, already ran a reboot and nothing |
| 00:16.30 | itchi | linux2: Looks the actuall proccess running, the network speed etc ... |
| 00:16.48 | linux2 | itchi, well it is on a 10/100 network |
| 00:16.57 | linux2 | and it is using 0.0% processor power |
| 00:16.58 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 00:16.59 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 00:17.02 | linux2 | i am using a smp kernel |
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| 00:17.28 | itchi | linux2: That mean nothing what you told, it's possible that somethings eath your bandwitdth for example |
| 00:17.39 | MatBoy | abrotman, Webmin is nice for some home-things |
| 00:17.49 | linux2 | itchi, well apache runs fine and so does ssh |
| 00:17.49 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 00:17.52 | itchi | linux2: Or swap are short, or bad proccess running ... |
| 00:17.56 | MatBoy | abrotman, why ? |
| 00:18.03 | abrotman | why is it? |
| 00:18.25 | MatBoy | abrotman, to do some things fast when you don't want to do everything by editting files |
| 00:18.27 | linux2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.27 | linux2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.27 | linux2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.37 | abrotman | MatBoy: that's a bad way to learn |
| 00:18.52 | abrotman | and a bad habit |
| 00:19.05 | itchi | MatBoy: Never your going to learn, the _best_ things :-/ |
| 00:19.10 | abrotman | and quite frankly .. if you need webmin .. you probably shouldn't be admining a shoebox |
| 00:19.11 | MatBoy | abrotman, not to learn... just to do some things easy. I run all my servers with commandline. |
| 00:19.31 | itchi | MatBoy: Or i guess, you not like computer :-p |
| 00:20.12 | MatBoy | itchi, mwoah... I don't think so... but why do it the difficult way when it can be done more easy ? |
| 00:20.42 | MatBoy | ow damn |
| 00:20.47 | MatBoy | too late here already ! |
| 00:20.47 | itchi | MatBoy: I find i complicater to search in an guy blablabal <cmd> --help and begin with it |
| 00:20.50 | MatBoy | I have to sleep ! |
| 00:21.01 | itchi | MatBoy: It's looks like :-p |
| 00:21.06 | sussudio | how do i find out if a dimm is pc66 or pc100 if google comes up with nothing? |
| 00:21.08 | linux2 | 192.168.1.101 - root [25/Jun/2006:20:03:33 -0400] "GET /debiantheme/openlogo-50.png HTTP/1.1" 200 883 |
| 00:21.14 | linux2 | it is showing a bunch of lines like that |
| 00:21.25 | linux2 | but webmin is not running at 192.168.1.101 |
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| 00:21.36 | abrotman | that's the client |
| 00:21.37 | itchi | sussudio: Writed on the RAM |
| 00:21.38 | abrotman | and stop pasting |
| 00:21.40 | MatBoy | itchi, haha but for good server you need always the commandline... but for some home-usage... I can't say it it bad ! |
| 00:21.53 | sussudio | itchi: chips don't come up either. |
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| 00:22.01 | MatBoy | 2:22 am here already ! |
| 00:22.07 | MatBoy | cu all l8er ! |
| 00:22.23 | itchi | MatBoy: I understand a bit, webmin is a verrrryyy bit usefull when we got to many beer, but in that case dont touch the computer |
| 00:22.37 | MatBoy | itchi, hehe :) |
| 00:22.49 | itchi | MatBoy: You're near me, same local time |
| 00:22.57 | MatBoy | itchi, you ahve to ude the version with maximum large buttons than :D |
| 00:23.07 | MatBoy | BIER ! |
| 00:23.10 | itchi | !coffee |
| 00:23.10 | dpkg | i heard coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
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| 00:23.19 | stoned | itchi, you run X right? what dpi? |
| 00:23.20 | MatBoy | !beer itchi ! |
| 00:23.23 | itchi | MatBoy: I never drink beer :-/ |
| 00:23.28 | stoned | MatBoy, what dpi is your X running |
| 00:23.29 | linux2 | is there a way that i can get cpqarray to work on the 2.6 kernel |
| 00:23.33 | MatBoy | itchi, I will learn it you :D |
| 00:23.36 | linux2 | it works fine on 2.4 |
| 00:23.39 | itchi | stoned: 72 i think |
| 00:23.42 | stoned | wow |
| 00:23.42 | linux2 | but doesn't run on 2.6 |
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| 00:23.51 | stoned | linux2, what about you, what dpi do you run? |
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| 00:23.57 | MatBoy | stoned, I use here 3 monitors... for very button one |
| 00:24.10 | MatBoy | stoned, start-shutdown-reboot |
| 00:24.20 | stoned | MatBoy, irrelevant. What dpi is your Xserver runing? |
| 00:24.30 | linux2 | stoned, don't know |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | 42! |
| 00:24.36 | MatBoy | stoned, dpi ? why ? |
| 00:24.39 | stoned | I have a fucking 132~ |
| 00:24.42 | stoned | ! |
| 00:24.58 | delire | abrotman: that's what we need around here, universal answers. |
| 00:24.59 | stoned | I sit 4 feet away from monitors in a really high resolution, anything below 132 I can't evne read |
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| 00:25.29 | delire | stoned: smoke less grass |
| 00:25.36 | MatBoy | delire, :D |
| 00:26.22 | abrotman | bedtime? |
| 00:26.32 | delire | it would seem so. |
| 00:26.46 | stoned | an hour ahead |
| 00:26.52 | abrotman | stoned: you could just freaking ask me |
| 00:27.01 | stoned | well I could |
| 00:27.02 | abrotman | stoned: not bedtime for me .. for MatBoy |
| 00:27.13 | MatBoy | abrotman, hehe... shut up :P |
| 00:27.14 | abrotman | ctcp is for asshats |
| 00:27.16 | MatBoy | cu all ! |
| 00:27.23 | delire | ciao |
| 00:27.29 | stoned | oooh |
| 00:27.36 | itchi | MatBoy: Try '/msg dpkg shit' hehe, you need it i guess. hehe |
| 00:27.41 | stoned | abrotman, he told you to shut up! are you going to take that from him? |
| 00:27.42 | stoned | ;) |
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| 00:28.06 | abrotman | !petemcsmite petemc |
| 00:28.20 | petemc | morning |
| 00:28.25 | delire | moin |
| 00:28.26 | stoned | hi |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | petemc: don't you ever sleep? |
| 00:28.53 | stoned | I figure, small whale is probably as big as a large trout, no? |
| 00:29.01 | petemc | in fits and starts |
| 00:29.07 | delire | similar, though less colourful |
| 00:29.11 | petemc | i slept for 24 hours 2 days ago |
| 00:29.27 | abrotman | don't you have kids? |
| 00:29.49 | petemc | i have a son, get him 3 times a week |
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| 00:30.13 | delire | such is contemporary catholic life. |
| 00:30.24 | abrotman | petemc: i'll assume you didn't have him that day :) |
| 00:30.30 | petemc | abrotman: no :) |
| 00:30.45 | petemc | nor the 2 days prior |
| 00:32.31 | linux2 | WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 00:32.39 | linux2 | ok so now i have to reinstall fucking debian again |
| 00:32.45 | abrotman | maybe you should stop using webmin |
| 00:32.46 | linux2 | because it fucked itself up |
| 00:32.47 | azeem | linux2: chill |
| 00:32.51 | vin` | heh |
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| 00:32.59 | abrotman | i blame webmin! |
| 00:33.11 | itchi | linux2: You're sure you not fucked him with some crap tools ?? |
| 00:33.13 | linux2 | azeem, you chill when you have been trying to set this up for 78 hours and have gotten about 5 hours of sleep |
| 00:33.19 | abrotman | stop using webmin |
| 00:33.22 | abrotman | learn what you're actually doing |
| 00:33.37 | linux2 | abrotman, well the whole comp is fucked |
| 00:33.38 | azeem | linux2: just ranting in here will just make people not want to help you |
| 00:33.42 | linux2 | or at least the debian install |
| 00:33.46 | itchi | linux2: That's when you use insecure tools :-/ |
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| 00:34.03 | linux2 | azeem, no one can help |
| 00:34.04 | vin` | linux2: there is a case of a 6 year old successfully installing debian. |
| 00:34.12 | linux2 | there is a problem with the module i need to load |
| 00:34.14 | linux2 | in debian |
| 00:34.16 | abrotman | linux2: really .. i've got debian boxes that haven't been reinstalled in five years .. they work fine .. but then again .. i don't use webmin |
| 00:34.16 | linux2 | and only debian |
| 00:34.28 | linux2 | i need to load cpqarray |
| 00:34.34 | linux2 | but i cannot in the 2.6 kernel |
| 00:34.40 | linux2 | so i installed the 2.4 kernel |
| 00:34.48 | linux2 | but now the whole machine just runs horribly slow |
| 00:34.48 | azeem | linux2: if you know nobody can help and rant, then you're trolling |
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| 00:35.03 | itchi | ENICRYSTABALL we say here |
| 00:35.36 | itchi | linux2: Give some interesting informations, then whe can help, cry would not help |
| 00:35.44 | abrotman | he's been at this all week |
| 00:35.46 | AndyMcGee | If i would like to read the kernel, where would i start? |
| 00:36.15 | delire | AndyMcGee: less /usr/src/$(uname -r) |
| 00:36.21 | linux2 | abrotman, it is very frustrating |
| 00:36.29 | linux2 | want to see the damn error again? |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | AndyMcGee: read what? |
| 00:36.53 | AndyMcGee | abrotman, Read the C-Source |
| 00:37.16 | j-bit | AndyMcGee: You can start anywhere, just download the source from kernel.org |
| 00:37.28 | abrotman | AndyMcGee: get the source .. download it .. read it .. or google "browse linux sourcE" |
| 00:37.30 | linux2 | anyone know a good debian alternative>? |
| 00:37.33 | AndyMcGee | abrotman, of the Linux Kernel, Torvalds... Version |
| 00:37.37 | abrotman | linux2: ask ##linux |
| 00:37.42 | itchi | linux2: An simple search with google 'debian cpqarray' would tell you already many. Like i see here, i'm not on you're computer, nor have that type of hardware. |
| 00:38.02 | delire | AndyMcGee: go to http://kernel.org, download, untar and read |
| 00:38.04 | vin` | AndyMcGee: get the vanilla source from kernel.org |
| 00:38.13 | j-bit | AndyMcGee: If you want to find something funny, run "egrep -ir shit ./" in the kernel source... |
| 00:38.29 | linux2 | cpqarray: I/O range already in use addr = 1000 length = 2047 |
| 00:38.31 | AndyMcGee | j-bit, I would like to start where the compiler starts ;) |
| 00:38.33 | linux2 | awesome error |
| 00:38.39 | linux2 | that no one has gotten before |
| 00:38.43 | linux2 | so what i wonder is |
| 00:38.46 | linux2 | what the hell does it mean |
| 00:38.47 | delire | j-bit: the output of which forms the basis of one of M$'s biggest FUD attacks BTW. |
| 00:38.51 | azeem | linux2: check the source |
| 00:39.03 | abrotman | or fix your bios ? |
| 00:39.25 | j-bit | delire: Heh, didn't know that. |
| 00:39.34 | evil_andy | abrotman, Thanks again, I finally beat enough sense into the anonftpsync file, it seems to be updating now :) |
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| 00:39.39 | linux2 | azeem, well the module loads fine on the 2.4 kernel |
| 00:39.44 | itchi | linux2: Already in use, i guess :-/ |
| 00:39.49 | linux2 | but the 2.4 kernel i cannot get debian to install it correctly |
| 00:39.52 | abrotman | evil_andy: to make it mirror ? |
| 00:39.55 | linux2 | also might i add |
| 00:39.58 | linux2 | works fine in mandriva |
| 00:40.03 | abrotman | so use mandriva |
| 00:40.04 | linux2 | and suse |
| 00:40.06 | evil_andy | abrotman, yeah, certain things have to be juuust right |
| 00:40.08 | linux2 | abrotman, hell no |
| 00:40.12 | evil_andy | abrotman, i.e. no trailing /'s |
| 00:40.15 | delire | linux2: what are you doing using Debian then? |
| 00:40.27 | linux2 | delire, im trying to install debian |
| 00:40.28 | linux2 | but nope |
| 00:40.31 | linux2 | the one module i need |
| 00:40.31 | icyfire0573 | I have a key new keyboard. Some of the keys don't show up at all in xev. Is there anything to do? |
| 00:40.34 | linux2 | nope of course not |
| 00:40.37 | linux2 | why would it work? |
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| 00:40.41 | abrotman | icyfire0573: map them? |
| 00:40.44 | einsteinmg | hi all |
| 00:41.35 | icyfire0573 | abrotman, its not like they send key events and don't have actions associated with them. They generate no output whatsoever. Even when I cat /dev/input/event4 (which is the proper one) |
| 00:41.40 | delire | linux2: which module is "the one module you need"? |
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| 00:42.14 | abrotman | icyfire0573: eh .. that's weird |
| 00:42.19 | linux2 | delire, CPQARRAY!!!! |
| 00:42.26 | linux2 | how many times have i said that |
| 00:42.28 | marco13185 | is freenode still taken over? |
| 00:42.33 | abrotman | does it matter? |
| 00:42.35 | abrotman | you're already here |
| 00:42.41 | delire | linux2: download kernel sources, compile module, modprobe module. no different from Mandriva to Debian. |
| 00:42.52 | itchi | linux2: Have yo try an expert install ? |
| 00:43.00 | linux2 | itchi, yes i have |
| 00:43.02 | linux2 | and guess what |
| 00:43.04 | EdLin | marco13185: change your nickserv password |
| 00:43.07 | icyfire0573 | abrotman, I'd like to be able to use them. |
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| 00:43.17 | linux2 | if you change anythign while doing expert install |
| 00:43.21 | linux2 | you end up with a broken system |
| 00:43.31 | linux2 | so what good is expert |
| 00:43.38 | einsteinmg | is there a quick way to show how many files are installed on the lokal system? |
| 00:43.45 | delire | linux2: 'modrpobe -l | grep cpq' if not present, then you may need to compile it. |
| 00:43.50 | abrotman | icyfire0573: do a little googling .. maybe you need a special driver |
| 00:43.52 | icyfire0573 | Basically, 8 hotkeys don't work, and I would like them to. |
| 00:43.53 | delire | *modprobe |
| 00:43.58 | icyfire0573 | Alright, ill look into it. |
| 00:44.06 | icyfire0573 | Keyboard drivers though? |
| 00:44.07 | j-bit | linux2 what do you mean "change anything" gives you a broken system |
| 00:44.25 | delire | icyfire0573: if you want hotkeys to work, get a real desktop distribution, like Ubuntu or Xandros. |
| 00:44.26 | linux2 | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/cpqphp.ko |
| 00:44.26 | linux2 | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/block/cpqarray.ko |
| 00:44.37 | delire | linux2: so modprobe them. |
| 00:44.38 | abrotman | stop pasting crap .. for the tenth time |
| 00:44.42 | linux2 | j-bit, if for example while installing sarge |
| 00:44.56 | linux2 | i go and select the 2.4 kernel to be installed on the system |
| 00:45.00 | linux2 | well then for some reason |
| 00:45.06 | linux2 | i am unable to install grub |
| 00:45.08 | linux2 | and thus |
| 00:45.12 | linux2 | have a broken system |
| 00:45.15 | icyfire0573 | delire, thats going over the top. and its a bit fanboyish. For the keys that work I can make them work. Its the ones that don't that probably would have the smae issue on all distros. |
| 00:45.26 | EdLin | !tell linux2 -about enter |
| 00:45.39 | itchi | linux2: I had tell you to do an quick search of it, the first link i got talk about your trouble |
| 00:45.44 | delire | icyfire0573: well then do your research. |
| 00:45.55 | icyfire0573 | delire, I will :-) |
| 00:45.56 | delire | icyfire0573: you're using Debian afterall. |
| 00:46.08 | itchi | linux2: Also try to look to this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=1404& |
| 00:46.15 | icyfire0573 | Awkward that I thought it would be a goo idea to come here. |
| 00:46.35 | abrotman | i don't htink i own a keyboard with hotkeys |
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| 00:46.41 | einsteinmg | is there a quick way to show how many files are installed on the lokal system? |
| 00:47.10 | itchi | linux2: Look to this http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-grub-devel/2004-October/000668.html |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | he could do his own googling |
| 00:47.34 | Aim_Here | einsteinmg, locate *|wc -l? |
| 00:47.53 | Aim_Here | That will be for as at the last time you ran updatedb, but it'll be fast. |
| 00:47.58 | einsteinmg | Aim_Here: i'd like to count all installed files from all packages |
| 00:48.19 | linux2 | i already saw http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=1404& |
| 00:48.23 | Aim_Here | The other option is to go ls -l| wc -l |
| 00:48.28 | icyfire0573 | I did a quick google first. The problem was that I found information for all the keys that DID generate events. I just didn't find information for keyboards not generating scancodes. |
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| 00:48.30 | linux2 | the problem is that i am using an eisa card |
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| 00:48.32 | einsteinmg | locate counts a few 100k files too much ;) |
| 00:48.56 | abrotman | icyfire0573: is it usb or ps2? |
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| 00:49.25 | einsteinmg | Aim_Here: is there no way to get the count from apt-*? |
| 00:49.33 | Aim_Here | Probably |
| 00:49.45 | icyfire0573 | abrotman, usb |
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| 00:49.52 | einsteinmg | hah :) |
| 00:49.53 | Aim_Here | There'll be something in /var that'll list installed files, I'll bet |
| 00:50.05 | abrotman | icyfire0573: do you have the hid drivers loaded ? |
| 00:50.06 | einsteinmg | just running apt-get remove <something> |
| 00:50.07 | Aim_Here | But I'm on a slackware box atm, so I can't hunt it down |
| 00:50.07 | einsteinmg | (Reading database ... 172418 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 00:50.10 | itchi | linux2: On that link, he talk about eisa card |
| 00:50.20 | einsteinmg | thats what i've searched for ;) |
| 00:50.40 | itchi | linux2: modprobe cpqarray eisa=0x1000,0x2000 |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | icyfire0573: usbhid i mean |
| 00:51.03 | icyfire0573 | Yep. 99% of the keyboard works. even volumemute volume up volume down and several others. What dosen't work is 5 hotkeys numbered 1-5. and 2 other keys. |
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| 00:52.01 | itchi | linux2: Slot 1 = 0x1000, slot 2 = 0x2000, etc... |
| 00:52.04 | icyfire0573 | and by works, i mean generates scancodes that I can use. |
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| 00:53.32 | einsteinmg | icyfire0573: you get something like this in your logs: kernel: atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0x85 on isa0060/serio0). ? |
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| 00:56.19 | icyfire0573 | einsteinmg, I get this -> "Jun 25 20:55:33 tesseract kernel: keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240" but it dosen't occur when I press keys, just when I press a bunch of them at once. |
| 00:56.34 | rockstar_ | Is there a way I can encrpt my hard drive AS I'm installing debian? |
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| 00:58.04 | einsteinmg | icyfire0573: hmm ok don't know, sorry |
| 00:58.29 | icyfire0573 | einsteinmg, its alright. It dosen't seem to be a well known issue on google. |
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| 00:59.10 | itchi | icyfire0573: Is it an M$ keyboard ? |
| 00:59.19 | icyfire0573 | itchi, Yes. |
| 00:59.52 | icyfire0573 | I have had issues with this on Compaq keyboards too though. |
| 00:59.56 | itchi | icyfire0573: Haha, i get also some strange things with an crap $M, we need to talk bill an ask what he have again fucked |
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| 01:01.17 | itchi | icyfire0573: You have try with lineakd ? |
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| 01:01.40 | Amarande | !start an os war |
| 01:01.40 | dpkg | ITS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 01:01.58 | delire | agreed dpkg |
| 01:02.03 | icyfire0573 | lineakd will just make the keys that generate scancodes work with the functions I desire. its a userspace daemon. I think I need something kernel-level. |
| 01:02.05 | bhundven | hah |
| 01:02.06 | Amarande | Personally, I have one reason to get rid of Windows soon enough. |
| 01:02.28 | itchi | icyfire0573: 'lineak -l' give you an list of know keyboards layouts. Then i need to to 'lineak -c MWDEK'. MWDEK are in that long list |
| 01:02.29 | Amarande | The fact that I don't care to spend the $300-$400 or so Vista will probably cost. |
| 01:02.33 | einsteinmg | icyfire0573: i've a ms keyboard too, but i only received unknown key pressed error ;) |
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| 01:02.45 | amphi | Amarande: never mind the hw requirements ;) |
| 01:02.52 | einsteinmg | Amarande: and a memory upgrade ;) |
| 01:03.08 | einsteinmg | vista needs 600MB of ram here |
| 01:03.14 | itchi | icyfire0573: Is it the same keyboard reference ? |
| 01:03.22 | einsteinmg | it's definitly the slowest os i've ever seen *g* |
| 01:03.24 | Amarande | amphi: for the most part I have more than enough machine for Vista |
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| 01:03.34 | Amarande | AMD 3500+, 1.5GB of RAM, 200GB HD, GeForce 6600 |
| 01:03.39 | bhundven | but hey, you could always make windows useful by installing colinux or qemu so you can run a real operating system on it ;) |
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| 01:03.47 | Amarande | I'm more annoyed at the cost, and having to buy ridiculously expensive monitors. |
| 01:03.47 | amphi | Amarande: a paltry 1.5GB? ;) |
| 01:03.52 | icyfire0573 | itchi, same keycodes for different keys? No, they are all different keycodes. |
| 01:04.02 | Amarande | Since it STILL doesn't seem that HDCP is penetrating into the 19"-21" LCD market much. |
| 01:04.11 | amphi | Amarande: oh, the 'secure path' crap? |
| 01:04.14 | Amarande | amphi: Yah. |
| 01:04.19 | itchi | icyfire0573: Is it the same keyboard reference ? MWDEK |
| 01:04.22 | Amarande | Do they really expect us to use a big screen TV as our monitor? :P |
| 01:04.24 | einsteinmg | btw... there are quite cheep adapters to ripp of HDCP |
| 01:04.25 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: wget will actually generate them all; it doesn't look for index.html, that's just what it saves the indexes as. |
| 01:04.28 | einsteinmg | cheap |
| 01:04.44 | Amarande | Actually, this might affect Linux in the future as well, since pretty much -any- bluray player is going to want HDCP. |
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| 01:05.04 | Amarande | On the good side, HDCP may make Hollywood more receptive to the idea of legal Bluray players. |
| 01:05.05 | linux2 | itchi, yes that is the command i have been running |
| 01:05.10 | linux2 | works fine in 2.4 |
| 01:05.14 | linux2 | fucks up in 2.6 |
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| 01:05.32 | icyfire0573 | itchi, I don't know how to know. |
| 01:05.35 | amphi | Amarande: hdcp laptops will be a pita |
| 01:05.37 | itguru | is sourceforge back up yet? as in, do the registrations work now? |
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| 01:06.28 | Amarande | amphi: secure path should be easy to implement in a laptop |
| 01:06.39 | golly | abrotman: hey man you still in? |
| 01:06.49 | abrotman | somewhat |
| 01:07.04 | amphi | Amarande: sadly |
| 01:07.21 | itchi | icyfire0573: Try 'lineak -l'. You get an long list of all brands and models of keyboards. You need to take the same one, or so near as possible. Then you only need to do 'lineak -c MWDEK'. I have the keyboard MWDEK - Microsoft Wireless Desktop Excecutive Keyboard on another box |
| 01:07.40 | golly | abrotman: still having trouble starting vncserver with crontab @reboot....... do you have time to walk me though setting up in init.d? |
| 01:07.52 | icyfire0573 | itchi, Alright. |
| 01:08.13 | amphi | itchi: 'wireless desktop executive'?? heheh |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | golly: if you look at /etc/init.d/skeleton .. it might make some sense |
| 01:08.47 | itchi | icyfire0573: Now you have an config file of that keyboard '~.lineak/lineakd.conf'. Look inside it, personalise it. And then you need to load automaticaly lineakd when you boot up |
| 01:08.54 | itchi | amphi: Yeah :-/ |
| 01:08.59 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 01:08.59 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README |
| 01:09.00 | icyfire0573 | itchi, thanks. |
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| 01:09.58 | itchi | icyfire0573: My little note @ http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=61 |
| 01:10.26 | icyfire0573 | Thanks |
| 01:10.26 | itchi | icyfire0573: Look to and let it know ;-) |
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| 01:11.02 | itchi | icyfire0573: Have you see what dpkg told ? |
| 01:11.06 | golly | abrotman: OK, I sort of see what needs to be done....however vncserver is a script based on xvnc...so not really a daemon as such. Just a config script.... The skeleton suggests that I should use the daemon which is Xvnc... is that right? |
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| 01:11.28 | abrotman | golly: how do you start vncserver? |
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| 01:11.35 | icyfire0573 | itchi, Yea, I see it. |
| 01:11.46 | itchi | icyfire0573: Take notes :-p |
| 01:11.50 | golly | abrotman: I just type vncserver :2 to open one on port 5902 |
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| 01:11.56 | abrotman | golly: write a script that does that .. and put it in /etc/init.d/ .. and then use update-rc.d to add it to whichever run levels you want |
| 01:11.59 | golly | abrotman: or whatever port I need |
| 01:12.56 | golly | abrotman: this is where I get stuck....what runlevels do I need to run it on? I dropped it in ksysv in various runlevels but to no avail |
| 01:13.03 | abrotman | probably just 2 |
| 01:13.25 | golly | abrotman: Ok I'll try 2 |
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| 01:13.35 | abrotman | !update-rc.d |
| 01:13.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf |
| 01:14.20 | itchi | linux2: And work it now ? |
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| 01:15.33 | Edwin_Quijada | I am developing a firewall device |
| 01:16.00 | Edwin_Quijada | using linux but I need a hardware rackeable |
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| 01:16.10 | itchi | linux2: Have you unload that module before reloading it again ? |
| 01:16.15 | Edwin_Quijada | where can I find this? |
| 01:16.44 | Edwin_Quijada | maybe a company in China or Asia than can develop the hardware? |
| 01:16.53 | itchi | Edwin_Quijada: What mean you wiht hardware rackeable ? |
| 01:17.03 | linux2 | itchi, i cannot unload |
| 01:17.05 | linux2 | i have to restart |
| 01:17.09 | linux2 | because it locks up the comp |
| 01:17.29 | einsteinmg | Edwin_Quijada: where is the problem? |
| 01:17.31 | itchi | linux2: Try i when you're on grub in another VT or so ?? |
| 01:17.33 | Edwin_Quijada | itchi: I mean a hardware like a swuitch |
| 01:17.47 | Edwin_Quijada | to put into the rack like a rack server |
| 01:17.54 | linux2 | im just gonna run mandriva on that comp |
| 01:17.59 | linux2 | its just going to handle backups |
| 01:18.01 | golly | abrotman: is it likely to not work beciase I don't dfollow the exact syntax of /etc/init.d/skeleton ? |
| 01:18.05 | abrotman | nope |
| 01:18.09 | abrotman | you don't have to |
| 01:18.15 | abrotman | golly: paste the script in #flood |
| 01:18.16 | Edwin_Quijada | einsteinmg: i dont know a company that can create this hardware |
| 01:18.17 | einsteinmg | there are enough 2U boxes... with 1U you face many problems with self built servers |
| 01:18.18 | linux2 | the main site server will run debian |
| 01:18.24 | einsteinmg | Edwin_Quijada: which hardware? |
| 01:18.33 | golly | abrotman: it's a one liner. |
| 01:18.40 | einsteinmg | just by a mobo and pack it into a 2U rack |
| 01:18.41 | abrotman | golly: in #flood please :) |
| 01:18.48 | golly | ok |
| 01:18.54 | golly | join #flood |
| 01:18.54 | einsteinmg | you could use normal consumer komponents in a 2U rack |
| 01:19.28 | Edwin_Quijada | einsteinmg: i want to do my firewall i did with a old computer but i want to do few |
| 01:19.45 | Edwin_Quijada | 2U boxes? |
| 01:19.51 | einsteinmg | yes... |
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| 01:20.26 | einsteinmg | i've even seen a plan to pack 2 via epia boxes into one 1 or 2U rack and drive them in failover |
| 01:20.49 | Edwin_Quijada | where? |
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| 01:21.11 | einsteinmg | please don't ask, it's a long time ago |
| 01:21.25 | einsteinmg | Edwin_Quijada: there is _nothing_ special about rackmounted systems |
| 01:21.43 | einsteinmg | just pack the damn thing into the box and switch it on ;) |
| 01:21.57 | Edwin_Quijada | ok, but in my case is develop a harwdare just with only function and linux |
| 01:22.11 | einsteinmg | cpuburn + memtest86 for about 1 day and the thing should be stable |
| 01:22.14 | killown | anyone can help - me with that error >> http://pastebin.ca/71690 ? |
| 01:22.26 | einsteinmg | do the burnin IN the rack ;) |
| 01:22.42 | einsteinmg | Edwin_Quijada: what do you mean with that? |
| 01:22.56 | marco13185 | wait, this is #debian-overflow right? |
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| 01:23.07 | stoned | no |
| 01:23.20 | marco13185 | err, then why does xchat say #debian-overflow |
| 01:23.30 | marco13185 | not in the tab, but on the window title |
| 01:23.44 | abrotman | xchat isn't perfect? |
| 01:23.46 | Edwin_Quijada | einsteinmgl the idea is develop a firewall like PXE cisco but so cheap and can be rackeable |
| 01:23.54 | marco13185 | abrotman, is there a #debian-overflow though? |
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| 01:24.06 | marco13185 | ya, there is |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | marco13185: yes |
| 01:24.35 | itchi | killown: It's an 'Invalid argument.' |
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| 01:25.15 | killown | itchi what I do ? |
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| 01:25.39 | itchi | killown: That 'mode' are not reconised? I not know about it, i give it an guess. |
| 01:25.56 | einsteinmg | Edwin_Quijada: http://www.xorp.org/ |
| 01:26.12 | itchi | killown: Is it somethings like 'iwlist wlan0 peers' ?? |
| 01:26.26 | killown | yes |
| 01:26.58 | itchi | killown: 'iwlist ath0 peers' ?? |
| 01:27.22 | killown | yes |
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| 01:27.36 | einsteinmg | Edwin_Quijada: hmm... you want a manufactor to build you a linux system for firewalling? |
| 01:27.45 | Edwin_Quijada | einsteinmg: yes |
| 01:28.39 | itchi | killown: Try 'iwconfig ath0 mode ad-hoc' ?? |
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| 01:28.50 | itchi | killown: In lower case |
| 01:29.22 | killown | I go to try |
| 01:29.23 | einsteinmg | Edwin_Quijada: if you don't need a few thousand pieces it's nearly impossible |
| 01:29.42 | Edwin_Quijada | einsteinmg: xorp is router protocol |
| 01:29.53 | Edwin_Quijada | einsteinmg:why? |
| 01:29.59 | einsteinmg | Edwin_Quijada: there are a few 1U barbones from msi imho which are really cheap |
| 01:30.18 | einsteinmg | if you just need a few pieces build it yourself |
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| 01:31.03 | Edwin_Quijada | einsteinmg: the idea in one device firewall,proxy and VPN |
| 01:31.22 | killown | itchi, thanks friend |
| 01:31.36 | itchi | killown: You're my guess of the day hehe :-) |
| 01:31.43 | Edwin_Quijada | really, it is a machine but without video , kyb... |
| 01:31.45 | itchi | killown: :-p |
| 01:31.53 | Edwin_Quijada | and rackeabe |
| 01:32.11 | Edwin_Quijada | barbones from msi?? |
| 01:32.27 | einsteinmg | i've installed a asus wlan router in a small company as a fileserver, proxy, vpn gateway, adsl router, wlan router |
| 01:32.41 | einsteinmg | and it have 300GB raid1 storage |
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| 01:32.55 | Edwin_Quijada | i dont know if use hard disk or flashmemory |
| 01:33.09 | einsteinmg | for a caching proxy you need a hd |
| 01:33.20 | Edwin_Quijada | ok |
| 01:33.26 | einsteinmg | Edwin_Quijada: btw... you could get that asus thing for about 120euro |
| 01:33.49 | Edwin_Quijada | give me the name? |
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| 01:34.05 | Edwin_Quijada | asus is a server rack? |
| 01:34.15 | einsteinmg | lol no it's a dirty cheap wlan router |
| 01:34.20 | einsteinmg | like the linksys things |
| 01:34.32 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah.. i think its doing it.. i guess i was too impatient to wait for the .jpg stuff. i ^C after seeing all the .html stuff. hehe. thanks |
| 01:34.44 | christor | mmh how to resolve a problem with a old sarge about the APT::Force-Loopbreak+? |
| 01:34.45 | einsteinmg | i've bought 2 and configured the same, if one wents dead |
| 01:35.12 | Edwin_Quijada | let me find in internet |
| 01:36.33 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, you could do it with the --spider options, which should just walk through them all. |
| 01:37.04 | dondelelcaro | christor: first make sure you're pointing at sarge, not testing, then fully upgrade to sarge. You shouldn't need to use Force-Loopbreak. |
| 01:37.41 | christor | dondelelcaro: ok , currently I pointed on testing, I go to do the modif |
| 01:37.55 | Edwin_Quijada | einsteinmg: this wlan has a name? |
| 01:38.36 | einsteinmg | Asus WL-500g Premium |
| 01:38.53 | einsteinmg | but it's a consumer wlan router, not a rackmounted server |
| 01:39.24 | Edwin_Quijada | einsteinmg: ok so How could put a hard disk? |
| 01:39.33 | Edwin_Quijada | this bring linux\? |
| 01:39.43 | einsteinmg | you could flash openwrt on it |
| 01:39.52 | einsteinmg | and it has 2 usb2 ports |
| 01:40.00 | einsteinmg | everything you need to build a cheap fileserver |
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| 01:41.22 | Edwin_Quijada | ok |
| 01:41.26 | Edwin_Quijada | i seeing |
| 01:41.35 | Edwin_Quijada | i dont need this |
| 01:41.47 | einsteinmg | i thought about that |
| 01:41.57 | Edwin_Quijada | u connect a hD for usb |
| 01:42.18 | stoned | for the price of a router, you can jsut get a cheap pc |
| 01:42.24 | stoned | turn that into a rouer |
| 01:42.35 | einsteinmg | pleas search the inet to find a rackserver that suits your needs |
| 01:42.40 | stoned | for less than 50bucks you can get a p2 system |
| 01:43.15 | einsteinmg | yea... and get the rack case at ebay |
| 01:43.16 | Edwin_Quijada | stoned: this is the idea but i need a good presentation |
| 01:43.57 | pingouin | is there any french or english irc chan about openoffice ? |
| 01:44.18 | Edwin_Quijada | einsteinmg: u can getting in ebay this rack system? |
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| 01:44.32 | mzilikazi | pingouin: #openoffice.org |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | pingouin: ask #openoffice.org |
| 01:44.50 | abrotman | pingouin: or learn how to use /list |
| 01:45.03 | einsteinmg | Edwin_Quijada: PLEASE ask google or search at ebay |
| 01:46.21 | itchi | It's no more sunday here, so the 'lazy' day are gone :-) |
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| 01:47.07 | einsteinmg | monday morning releases are the worst ;) |
| 01:47.14 | pingouin | mzilikazi: ok thanks you, abrotman ok, thank you ;) as cool as usual ;) |
| 01:48.40 | itchi | einsteinmg: It's like that of friday :-p |
| 01:49.39 | einsteinmg | hehe |
| 01:50.09 | christor | dondelelcaro: cool it works :) |
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| 01:55.01 | b1rken | I installed x on my debian box, together witch some window managers. How can i delete them all, and make my server just boot up in the terminal, instead of the simple logon screen? |
| 01:55.14 | dvs | !tell b1rken -about nodm |
| 01:56.22 | b1rken | Thanks Alot :) |
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| 02:01.37 | atp | hey folks, i just dist-upgraded (running etch) and i'm experiencing strange behaviour with xorg and apm suspend on my laptop that was never present before |
| 02:02.29 | atp | "strange behaviour" in this case includes artifacts, as well as a mouse cursor that never changes (for example, from pointer to text-editing I when I hover over my xterm) |
| 02:02.40 | atp | restarting X fixes the problem |
| 02:03.18 | gasdan | hola |
| 02:03.31 | atp | does anyone have any idea what might be causing this? |
| 02:04.07 | atp | interestingly, using "import" allows me to screen capture the artifacts problem, which means that they are actually being drawn into X's internal buffers |
| 02:04.19 | gasdan | hola |
| 02:04.19 | atp | and are not just superficial noise |
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| 02:07.40 | gasdan | hola |
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| 02:07.55 | itchi | gasdan: hi |
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| 02:09.40 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:09.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:10.14 | itchi | abrotman: It's 'ar' it's looks |
| 02:10.35 | itchi | abrotman: :-p |
| 02:10.40 | itchi | abrotman: hehe |
| 02:10.40 | abrotman | right .. so espanol |
| 02:11.06 | lucia_ | !kr |
| 02:11.06 | dpkg | [kr] Korea (South) |
| 02:11.11 | lucia_ | !ko |
| 02:11.11 | dpkg | somebody said ko was KNOCK OUT, or danish for cow mooooo |
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| 02:12.28 | itchi | abrotman: bbrrr, your always right ;-) with 'ar' we not get many :-/ |
| 02:13.54 | abrotman | you're |
| 02:14.03 | itchi | abrotman: :-p |
| 02:14.15 | itchi | abrotman: I'm so bad with English :-( |
| 02:14.24 | gasdan | hola |
| 02:14.32 | itchi | gasdan: Yes, we can read |
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| 02:19.01 | evil_andy | abrotman, well, after a slight snafu of forgetting to use full paths, I'm finally in contrib/b (sparc and i386 are already 125K packages!) |
| 02:19.22 | abrotman | yy! |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | yay even |
| 02:20.11 | gasdan | hola alguien me puede contestar? |
| 02:21.32 | Zerial | gasdan, entra en debian-es |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | gasdan: ingles aqui .. por espanol .. #debian-es |
| 02:22.09 | dvs | abrotman: vraiment? |
| 02:22.28 | abrotman | dvs: don't go waving your quebecois at me! |
| 02:22.35 | dvs | tee hee hee |
| 02:22.37 | evil_andy | , was just gonna say no me hablo... which is kind of an oxymoron since it's conjugated properly... |
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| 02:24.32 | volve | hey all, anyone know how to make sure a specific IRQ is reserved for, say, a RAID controller? I'm having some performance issues and the manufacturer suggested making sure it wasn't sharing and IRQ... |
| 02:24.47 | abrotman | bios |
| 02:24.57 | evil_andy | but you also have to make sure it's in the right slot too right? |
| 02:25.07 | evil_andy | or is that not a problem as much these days... |
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| 02:26.26 | volve | abrotman: well the BIOS is just like "auto assign or manual?" and if you say manual it lists the IRQs you can change, but each one only has 2 options: "PCI or Reserved" |
| 02:26.31 | nosklo | i miss dpkg |
| 02:26.32 | golly | abrotman: cool man, I can PuTTY in and start VNC that way, thanks for your help |
| 02:26.49 | volve | so I wasn't sure if picking "Reserved" meant I could then do something in Debian to use that reserved IRQ... |
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| 02:27.45 | abrotman | volve: make it reserved? |
| 02:27.50 | abrotman | golly: eh . ok |
| 02:28.10 | volve | abrotman: eh? |
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| 02:28.53 | abrotman | volve: try to reserve them? |
| 02:29.14 | volve | in the BIOS I can say "Assign to PCI, or keep Reserved" |
| 02:29.21 | volve | beyond that, I imagine it's OS-based |
| 02:29.24 | volve | and I'm not sure what to do |
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| 02:31.46 | abrotman | you can have a module ask for an irq .. but i'm not sure you can make it the sole owner |
| 02:32.51 | volve | hmm |
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| 02:33.07 | volve | well if I reserve one in the bios, I guess it would end-up being the sole owner wouldn't it ? |
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| 02:35.23 | abrotman | you'd hope so .. i haven't had to play with stuff like that since i had an SMP machine with a wacky bios |
| 02:36.18 | sussudio | do all p3 celerons run at 66mhz? |
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| 02:38.30 | abrotman | i don't think so |
| 02:38.37 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 02:39.02 | itchi | sussudio: Look to the log file to try to know what's the reason ?? |
| 02:39.18 | sussudio | itchi: what the hell? |
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| 02:39.56 | itchi | sussudio: Look to /var/log/* dmesg ?? |
| 02:40.08 | sussudio | itchi: what the fuck are you on about? |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | sussudio: why is that bad? |
| 02:40.13 | itchi | sussudio: The logs and dmesg |
| 02:40.22 | sussudio | itchi: can you shut up now? |
| 02:40.28 | abrotman | sussudio: english is not his first, second, or third language afaict :) |
| 02:40.32 | abrotman | itchi: don't kill me! |
| 02:40.36 | itchi | sussudio: Why you not ?? |
| 02:40.41 | abrotman | sussudio: why is it bad they are not all 66Mhz ? |
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| 02:40.52 | itchi | abrotman: yup |
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| 02:40.57 | darkknight209 | how do you set debian to use a certain sound card by default |
| 02:41.11 | sussudio | abrotman: is he retarded or something? |
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| 02:41.25 | abrotman | sussudio: his english skills aren't so hot .. he's still learning |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | sussudio: if you have 100Mhz SDRAM .. it will downclock to 66Mhz |
| 02:41.56 | itchi | sussudio: pppffff |
| 02:41.57 | dvs | darkknight209: use a sound card first and another second or use ignore the second entirely? |
| 02:42.25 | darkknight209 | not sure what you just said.. |
| 02:42.54 | darkknight209 | but i'm trying to use mplayer and it's using a differnet card then the one that works. |
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| 02:43.17 | Roldyx | hello |
| 02:43.29 | abrotman | sussudio: i'm confused why it's a problem |
| 02:43.33 | sussudio | abrotman: wikipedia says they all run at 66 bus speed |
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| 02:43.53 | abrotman | sussudio: ok .. i didn't think they did .. not all the regular PIIIs did |
| 02:44.04 | abrotman | still dont' see why it'd be a problem |
| 02:44.14 | dvs | darkknight209: it sounds like you want to blacklist the sound card that doesn't work. |
| 02:44.18 | sussudio | !sunday |
| 02:44.18 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 02:44.33 | darkknight209 | yes, how would i go about that? |
| 02:44.40 | dvs | !blacklist |
| 02:44.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 02:44.52 | itchi | It's monday BTW |
| 02:44.52 | Roldyx | i need meet people, somebody know another irc server?? |
| 02:44.58 | abrotman | sussudio: i think you're reading a different wikipedia article .. the one i just read said they are 66mhz or 100mhz |
| 02:45.04 | abrotman | Roldyx: efnet |
| 02:45.14 | darkknight209 | ircsearch.org |
| 02:45.16 | sussudio | abrotman: it says you can overclock them to 100mhz |
| 02:45.25 | darkknight209 | Servers up the butt ^_^ |
| 02:45.40 | abrotman | sussudio: oh .. isee .. you mean only the socket370 celerons |
| 02:46.11 | Amarande | Actually, it's usually best to buy the highest MHz RAM that your motherboard can physically handle. |
| 02:46.16 | sussudio | i don't think the p3 celerons come in any other variety than slot1 or 370 |
| 02:46.17 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 02:46.24 | abrotman | sussudio: yeah .. but slot1 goes to 100mhz |
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| 02:46.26 | Amarande | Even if it downclocks, it quite often has better timings at the lower speeds than lower-rated RAM would. |
| 02:46.37 | abrotman | All Celeron-128s from the 800 up used the 100 MT/s Front Side Bus. Various models were made at 800, 850, 900, 950, 1000, and 1100 MHz. |
| 02:46.38 | sussudio | abrotman: yes, the pentium 3's do. the pentium 3 celerons don't. |
| 02:46.45 | abrotman | !win me |
| 02:46.45 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 02:46.48 | Roldyx | darkknight209, thanks |
| 02:46.58 | abrotman | better than west virginia |
| 02:47.15 | dvs | doh |
| 02:47.20 | trelane | !win me |
| 02:47.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, trelane! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 02:47.27 | dvs | double doh |
| 02:47.37 | Roldyx | darkknight209, i use debian six year ago but my english is pour |
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| 02:48.39 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:48.44 | Amarande | I think I bought way too large an HD |
| 02:49.25 | sussudio | abrotman: i bought a shitload of stuff off an ebay-ish site. |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | sussudio: and? |
| 02:49.48 | sussudio | abrotman: figuring out what it does. |
| 02:49.53 | Amarande | 80GB is far too much for a lightly-used Sarge box |
| 02:50.09 | Amarande | Though it was only about $44, anyway |
| 02:50.10 | sussudio | abrotman: i have a dual p3-550 with scsi waiting for Piggy. |
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| 02:50.39 | abrotman | sussudio: yay! |
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| 02:50.49 | dvs | Piggy bit my leg off yesterday |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | dvs: you killed piggy? |
| 02:51.12 | dvs | abrotman: I made a "ham sandwich" |
| 02:51.27 | Amarande | abrotman, that comment makes me think of Lord of the Flies |
| 02:51.35 | sussudio | abrotman: i'm still not exactly sure about the SMP things. it doesn't seem like you can tell linux to use a specific cpu or both |
| 02:51.56 | dvs | and I took his conch |
| 02:52.09 | Amarande | sussudio, doesn't the kernel automatically balance? |
| 02:52.15 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:52.20 | Amarande | And there's probably some programs like chess games that do their own management. |
| 02:52.24 | itchi | dvs: Et le fromage ? |
| 02:52.27 | abrotman | sussudio: cpu affinity ... the scheduler does it automagically |
| 02:52.43 | abrotman | sussudio: i think there are patches to let you decide |
| 02:52.44 | sussudio | abrotman: with a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 02:52.50 | Mithenks | hola |
| 02:52.50 | dvs | itchi: I forgot to put cheese on my sandwich |
| 02:52.59 | itchi | dvs: ;-) |
| 02:53.01 | abrotman | sussudio: both .. but better with 2.6 |
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| 02:53.26 | sussudio | better how? |
| 02:53.31 | abrotman | sussudio: but i'm pretty sure patches for cpu affinity exist .. |
| 02:53.52 | abrotman | sussudio: better scheduling for tasks with smp |
| 02:53.56 | itchi | dvs: You have mail, an cheese mail :-) |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | sussudio: IMO anyways .. i had a dual PIII system for a while |
| 02:54.06 | einsteinmg | taskset from schedutils does this |
| 02:54.21 | abrotman | but your kernel has to support it |
| 02:54.52 | Amarande | I considered building a dual Xeon for a while |
| 02:55.13 | abrotman | sussudio: but honestly .. it's probably better to let the system do it |
| 02:55.16 | einsteinmg | as the scheduler is per cpu and migrating a process is not a big task, which kernelversion from 2.6 doesn't support this? |
| 02:55.36 | abrotman | einsteinmg: early versions .. i'm not sure if the one in sarge does or does not |
| 02:55.52 | einsteinmg | nice on spm is another topic |
| 02:55.52 | abrotman | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6799 |
| 02:55.54 | einsteinmg | smp |
| 02:55.57 | abrotman | einsteinmg: i could be wrong :) |
| 02:56.01 | Amarande | The motherboard I considered for a dual Xeon was this baby: |
| 02:56.02 | Amarande | http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7505/X5DA8.cfm |
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| 02:56.15 | Amarande | Maybe I'll still build that box at some point. :) |
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| 02:56.27 | einsteinmg | abrotman: > Finally, the 2.5 kernel introduced a set of system calls for setting and retrieving the CPU affinity of a process. |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | einsteinmg: see .. maybe i was wrong :) |
| 02:56.48 | Amarande | By the way, does Extended ATX require a special case? |
| 02:56.53 | abrotman | that article was written by Love too .. what happened to that crazy kid |
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| 02:57.06 | einsteinmg | abrotman: np ;) |
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| 02:57.38 | abrotman | einsteinmg: it's been a while since anyone asked me about it .. and it might ahve been when 2.5 was still being written ... i thought it was more recently .. bu toh well |
| 02:58.20 | evil_andy | Amarande, yes, but a lot of cases these days support it |
| 02:58.48 | einsteinmg | Amarande: do you specifically need a xeon system? |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | new heater? |
| 02:59.05 | einsteinmg | hehe ;) |
| 02:59.26 | Amarande | einsteinmg, I was mostly considering building it for the vanity of having way more power than needed. :) |
| 02:59.42 | Amarande | Say, how good would a dual Xeon with 12GB run as a gaming rig? :) |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | for the love of god .. i try to fix DRI ..b ut nooooooooooo .. |
| 02:59.57 | einsteinmg | Amarande: an opteron based system only needs half the power and is faster ;) |
| 03:00.05 | einsteinmg | Amarande: http://www.supermicro.com/aplus/ |
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| 03:00.24 | evil_andy | Amarande, it would run horrible... I have a dual athlon, games will only ever run 1 processor :( it's sad |
| 03:00.38 | einsteinmg | we have a few dual dual opterons with up to 16GB ram |
| 03:00.43 | einsteinmg | crazy boxes *g* |
| 03:01.14 | Amarande | Yeah, the only games I've ever seen that do SMP are chess games. |
| 03:01.26 | einsteinmg | Quake3 :) |
| 03:01.31 | Amarande | Now, a dual Xeon with 12GB would probably squash 99.999% of chess players like bugs, though. :) |
| 03:02.09 | Amarande | Yes, I think Deep Junior would probably love such a machine. |
| 03:02.10 | einsteinmg | a rocking system would be a quad opteron system with low-power dualcore opterons |
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| 03:04.07 | einsteinmg | n8 |
| 03:04.40 | Amarande | In other words, for a gaming rig, going from a 3500+ to a 3800+ would be a downgrade. :P |
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| 03:06.14 | einsteinmg | hmm no, with windows the second core runs the virus scanner and the firewall |
| 03:06.33 | einsteinmg | and not to forget all the spyware |
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| 03:07.48 | darkknight209 | what are some front ends for the mplayer engine? |
| 03:08.05 | unix_infidel | gmplayer |
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| 03:09.38 | Amarande | einsteinmg: wouldn't that also make the dual Xeon work nicely, since the second processor absorbs the overhead processes leaving one Xeon 3.2GHz for the games? |
| 03:09.46 | ajt | WHere does debian set PYTHONPATH? |
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| 03:11.33 | RTFM | can anyone help me with L4? |
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| 03:12.09 | RTFM | I tried to RTFM but its too complicated :/. |
| 03:12.25 | RTFM | anyone? :( |
| 03:12.56 | bhundven | !tell RTFM ask |
| 03:13.07 | bhundven | bugger |
| 03:13.09 | bhundven | !ask |
| 03:13.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 03:13.33 | abrotman | RTFM: L4 is a kernel .. and afaik .. not one that Debian uses |
| 03:13.34 | dendrite | RTFM: I just came in here, but my usual remark about rtfm is that that doesn't mean skim the docs, it means study them. If you're unwilling to put in the energy to understand the docs, then you probably shouldn't expect too much sympathy in any help forum. |
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| 03:15.38 | five0 | itchi: is that a fancy way of saying that you're temporarily banned from the chan? |
| 03:15.44 | five0 | or silenced? |
| 03:16.15 | itchi | five0: I listen to, it's not the same case. We are not banned |
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| 03:16.37 | RTFM | dendrite: The thing with L4 is the lack of documentation or incompleteness of the documentation. |
| 03:16.44 | RTFM | but I shall continue |
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| 03:17.43 | abrotman | RTFM: but i don't think any project in debian uses L4 .. i think HURD stopped a while ago |
| 03:17.47 | abrotman | !hurd |
| 03:17.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://ports.debian.org/ports/hurd for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hug |
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| 03:18.26 | abrotman | !hurd =~ s#http://ports.debian.org/ports/hurd#http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/# |
| 03:18.27 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 03:18.30 | abrotman | !hurd |
| 03:18.30 | dpkg | i heard hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hug |
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| 03:20.47 | Nopalin | anybody has installed hypertail gdesklet? |
| 03:21.32 | RTFM | thanks guys |
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| 03:29.24 | claymade | im having some weird behavior with apachectl on debian, works fine on the rest of my linux boxs |
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| 03:30.02 | claymade | apachectl restart (or start) appears to start debian, but a call to apachectl stop will say there is no PID |
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| 03:30.17 | claymade | so restart says its not running , and starts |
| 03:30.27 | claymade | even if i run the commands consecutively |
| 03:30.37 | claymade | (run the same commands consecutively) |
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| 03:31.01 | Dwonis | How do I make 'less' *not* line wrap, besides scrolling to the right? |
| 03:31.24 | goronz | whenever i want to change the fontsise of genome apps, i have to use genome-control-center but the changes are gone after re-sboot. how to make them stay? |
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| 03:32.55 | valdyn | goronz: run gnome-session-save to save settings and to restore them you need to be running 'gnome-session' |
| 03:33.36 | valdyn | goronz: alternatively you can edit things manually in ~/gtkrc-2.0* |
| 03:33.41 | valdyn | goronz: alternatively you can edit things manually in ~/,gtkrc-2.0* |
| 03:33.48 | goronz | valdyn, i am running gnome apps in kde session. |
| 03:34.07 | gpm | goronz: try gtk-theme-switch |
| 03:34.25 | goronz | gpm, switch2 right? have tried that. |
| 03:35.00 | goronz | the problem is to make the change stays. |
| 03:35.11 | gpm | goronz: huh, that always worked for me when i was using non-gnome stuff. |
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| 03:35.19 | gpm | goronz: sorry, it's the best advice i have on hand |
| 03:35.29 | goronz | gpm, thks. |
| 03:35.31 | shadow98 | anybody on that can help me with setting up ssh proxy |
| 03:35.47 | Amarande | Dwonis: less -S |
| 03:36.02 | Dwonis | Amarande: perfect! Thanks! |
| 03:37.15 | goronz | gpm, when should switch2 be run? in a startup script? |
| 03:37.51 | gpm | goronz: no you just use it to configure then, in my experience, it stays\ |
| 03:38.36 | goronz | gpm, thks again, got to find out why it won't 'stay' for me. |
| 03:38.56 | valdyn | gpm: its broken for a few cases, like when kde changes gtk2 config file layout |
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| 03:40.27 | SerajewelKS | someone tried to dictionary-attack their way into my vsftpd... seems they're using FC5... |
| 03:41.17 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: only one? |
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| 03:41.37 | gpm | valdyn: yeah, i don't know enough about kde to fix that... |
| 03:41.47 | gpm | valdyn: i've never actually tried kde |
| 03:43.50 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: only one what |
| 03:44.20 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: only one attacker? |
| 03:44.51 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: at the moment, yeah. my service isn't exactly public or well publicized |
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| 03:45.40 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: this happens to everyone anytime. |
| 03:45.47 | Amarande | Do people -really- use passwords that appear in dictionaries still? :/ |
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| 03:46.34 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: yes, it's happened before. just mentioning that they seem to be running a fairly open FC5 to try to attack someone else. |
| 03:46.53 | Amarande | By the way, how secure is X over ssh? I'm looking at the netstat here and it looks like even over ssh, the X connection is still a regular TCP to port 6000. |
| 03:47.02 | Amarande | Is it even encrypted at all? I can't really tell :) |
| 03:47.26 | Amarande | SerajewelKS, more likely their FC5 was hacked and is used by hackers to cover their tracks |
| 03:47.45 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: possibly, but the IP is in the phillipenes |
| 03:48.00 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: which could be a good target i suppose. an even better site to launch attacks. |
| 03:49.34 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: or maybe that is just a masquerading router with the zombiefied windows box behind ) |
| 03:50.06 | Johnny_5 | i'm looking at enlightenment themes on freshmeat.net and i was wondering what's the difference between DR15, DR16, and DR17? |
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| 03:50.39 | _rockstar_ | What's the command to create a deb package from the kernel source? |
| 03:50.41 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: ... running FC5? |
| 03:50.55 | kreg_work | newegg offline? |
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| 03:50.59 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: what router uses FC5-based firmware? |
| 03:51.14 | dabreegster | _rockstar_: make-kpkg |
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| 03:51.37 | _rockstar_ | dabreegster, I tried that in /usr/src/linux -- No output |
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| 03:52.16 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: fc5 can masq, i didnt mean to say it was a hardware router |
| 03:52.21 | dabreegster | _rockstar_: None at all? Does /usr/src/linux contain properly configured sources? Read the manpage. Is there a directory under there called kernel-2.6.blah? You might have to run it from within there. |
| 03:52.23 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: ah, gotcha |
| 03:52.43 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: my attacker is a OS details: Linux 2.4.0 - 2.5.20\ |
| 03:53.05 | _rockstar_ | dabreegster, the debian/rules file is found in /usr/src/linux/debian/rules |
| 03:53.23 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: nmap couldn't identify this one, but did mention that 21, 23, 80, 111, and 443 are open |
| 03:53.49 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: it's the webserver that says "this is the fedora core 5 apache 2 server on so and so and the webmaster didn't set anything up" etc |
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| 03:54.57 | heh_v_water | I'm trying ot install the lirc module into etch with the 2.6.15-1-k7 kernel. I've tried it with module-assistant, etc. I get the same error but I don't understand what it means |
| 03:54.58 | orgw | !sex |
| 03:54.58 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 03:56.30 | heh_v_water | error is sorry we require bttv module x.x.x If you are using the bttv package, copy it to the kernel.. silly but I don't understand what that means.. |
| 03:56.58 | heh_v_water | I have all the sources etc installed |
| 03:57.08 | _rockstar_ | dpkg just told the worse joke ever... |
| 03:57.16 | heh_v_water | all the building tools required have built several modules |
| 03:57.20 | valdyn | heh_v_water: lirc supports 2.6 kernels? |
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| 03:57.53 | heh_v_water | valdyn I haven't noticed anything that said 2.4 only |
| 03:58.06 | heh_v_water | and I could have swore my 2.6.8 kernel had it installed |
| 03:58.21 | heh_v_water | althouhg it never worked either |
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| 04:03.45 | sbk | Is there a good way to figure out what driver I need for xfree86? lspci reports "Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5b74", but when I dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and use ati for the driver, startx fails and reports "(EE) No devices detected." |
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| 04:04.41 | Amarande | What ATI card do you use? |
| 04:05.03 | dabreegster | sbk: If you don't know, check lspci |
| 04:05.07 | goronz | gpm, i run 'swtich2' to set the fontsize, tick 'use it' and 'apply'. when i quit and rerun 'switch2', i find the setting has reverted to the original. it doesn't happen to u? |
| 04:05.24 | sbk | dabreegster: as I mentioned, lspci reports an ati card, apparently |
| 04:05.39 | sbk | Amarande: not sure -- I was hoping to avoid opening up the box. |
| 04:05.41 | dabreegster | sbk: Which ATI card? lspci -v if you need more |
| 04:05.59 | Cybodog | sbk, have you tryed cheating: use a live distro, and copy the xorg config? |
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| 04:06.28 | tkup | if syslog.conf has the line *.mail /dev/console, does it log those messages into /var/log/messages simultaneously? |
| 04:07.08 | sbk | dabreegster: hm, lspci -v doesn't seem to have the details. It reports (as I mentioned) "ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5b74", and lspci -v adds "Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 0103" |
| 04:07.08 | zood_ | what's the deal with the porn that shows up in the screensaver? |
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| 04:07.30 | dabreegster | sbk: Ooh, lspci doesn't even know what it is. Strange. |
| 04:07.55 | Cybodog | zood_ porn? In the screensaver, which one |
| 04:08.27 | dabreegster | tkup: Not unless there's a line like '*.* /var/log/syslog' I wouldn't check |
| 04:08.28 | Amarande | Oh you lucky b*****d. |
| 04:08.32 | Amarande | You have a FireGL? |
| 04:08.43 | Amarande | 5b74 RV370 5B64 [FireGL V3100 (PCIE)] (Secondary) |
| 04:08.48 | tkup | zood_, someone must have been using your workstation to watch porn ;) |
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| 04:08.51 | Cybodog | sbk, again, I would sugest a live distro (if that works) and copy the xorg.conf, or at least note the settings and edit xorg.conf |
| 04:08.55 | dogmeat | !see bob2 |
| 04:08.56 | zood_ | Cybodog, I install kde, go to screensaver and choose "random". ONe of the screensavers just puts up random photos, some of which are porn |
| 04:09.00 | dogmeat | !seen bob2 |
| 04:09.02 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 193d 21h 3m 43s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 04:09.07 | dabreegster | tkup: s/check/think/ |
| 04:09.17 | tkup | dabreegster, ah thanks! |
| 04:09.27 | zood_ | tkup I saw it on a completely fresh install |
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| 04:09.51 | Cybodog | zood_ sounds like a "pull this from the web" kinda of screen saver, I saw that in a .deb package once, some of the web images will, of course, be porn. |
| 04:10.10 | _rockstar_ | Does make-kpkg do the initrd and everything? |
| 04:10.16 | Cybodog | zood_ you have to go through the screensaver images and find it and disable it. |
| 04:10.32 | sbk | Amarande: hm, is that it? beats me. |
| 04:10.34 | Cybodog | zood_ it is not persay, porn only, just that so many web images are porn. |
| 04:10.45 | zood_ | Cybodog: yah |
| 04:10.49 | Amarande | sbk, are you using a highish end workstation? |
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| 04:11.07 | Cybodog | zood_ I will look |
| 04:11.17 | sbk | Amarande: I've cannabilized various parts a while back, don't have convenient access to the machine at the moment. |
| 04:11.34 | zood_ | Cybodog: just that i dont want porn randomly popping up on my work c0mputer |
| 04:11.36 | Cybodog | zood_ found it |
| 04:11.38 | sbk | Amarande: the main pieces belonged to a dell 370 precision, I think |
| 04:11.42 | Cybodog | zood_ webcollage |
| 04:12.37 | Amarande | Yeah, you probably really do have a fireGL. |
| 04:12.41 | Amarande | Lucky %#*&$&#. |
| 04:12.43 | Cybodog | zood_ it is just a job |
| 04:12.52 | sbk | Amarande: come to think of it, I remember installing a fglrx driver on one of these boxes a while back. It was a bitch to do it, as I recall |
| 04:13.18 | sbk | Amarande: hm. a good video card is lost on me, I'm afraid... I just open up giant emacs screens and go at it |
| 04:13.21 | Amarande | Too bad you didn't cannibalize one with a Quadro 4400, though. That would have been the jackpot. :) |
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| 04:13.37 | Cybodog | zood_ just disable webcollage |
| 04:14.04 | sbk | Amarande: ok -- so the fglrx driver is the way to go, I take it? Other than stick with vesa I suppose |
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| 04:14.36 | starfishy | speaking of graphics cards, has anyone else noticed problems with 2.6.17 and the nvidia 8762 driver? |
| 04:14.45 | zood_ | This might be more of kde question but it would be nice if I could still set screensaver to random and just disable "webcollage". Looks like I can't do that |
| 04:14.49 | Amarande | you might try the radeon drive |
| 04:14.50 | Amarande | r |
| 04:14.56 | starfishy | rc6 worked, 2.6.17 flat fails |
| 04:15.01 | dondelelcaro | zood_: if you're using xscreensaver you can |
| 04:15.04 | sbk | Amarande: ah, interesting. ok, thanks for the tips, appreciated. |
| 04:15.10 | Cybodog | zood_ you can not? You can in xfce4 and gnome |
| 04:15.18 | starfishy | 8756 works with 2.6.17 though |
| 04:15.18 | dondelelcaro | afair, the default had it disabled. |
| 04:15.27 | Amarande | Looks like an RV370 is the same chip as a Radeon X300 |
| 04:16.32 | Cybodog | zood_ run in a term xscreensaver |
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| 04:17.31 | zood_ | Yah, I'm using the KDE "control center" (on sarge) guess I'll just live with it. |
| 04:17.55 | Cybodog | hold on zood_ I will fire up kde and see if I can find it. |
| 04:18.09 | dendrite | zood_: That control center will allow you to deselect specific screen savers. |
| 04:19.30 | zood_ | dendrite: "random" screen saver doesn't seem to have anything that lets you select which set of screensavers you want to randomly select from |
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| 04:20.08 | dendrite | zood_: Mmm. I suppose you can always just rm the binaries... |
| 04:20.22 | dondelelcaro | zood_: that's 311683, iirc. |
| 04:20.56 | dbe | Is there an official and stable Debian release for AMD64 (opteron) yet? is so where can I exactly get it? |
| 04:21.17 | itchi | Also there he spam .... blablabla kids :-( |
| 04:21.24 | sbk | Amarande: oh, nuts. I take it there isn't a stable/contrib/non-free package for fglrx available? |
| 04:22.10 | Cybodog | zood_ you are right, but, if you take OFF random and select some other screen saver, your problem is solved. |
| 04:22.10 | dabreegster | sbk: By the way, stable isn't a section. Think you mean main. |
| 04:22.12 | Amarande | dpkg, tell sbk about fglrx |
| 04:22.50 | Amarande | dbe: AMD64 was only just recently added to the list of official architectures |
| 04:23.02 | Amarande | so it won't have a stable release until etch becomes stable |
| 04:23.04 | Cybodog | zood_ when I run in a term xscreensaver in kde, I get the settings dialog |
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| 04:23.40 | dendrite | Cybodog: I'm not sure that KDE uses xscreensaver... |
| 04:23.49 | sbk | Amarande: thanks |
| 04:24.18 | Cybodog | I see |
| 04:25.47 | dendrite | Cybodog: I do recall that xscreensaver allows you to select a subset of all screensavers to cycle randomly... The KDE native screen saver doesn't seem to have that feature. |
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| 04:26.04 | zood_ | dendrite: correct |
| 04:26.06 | Cybodog | WEll, at least I tried. |
| 04:26.27 | zood_ | Yes at least I know what my choices for a fix are now. Thanks folks |
| 04:26.29 | dendrite | zood_: But I'm sure you could hack the system to disable webcollage. |
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| 04:26.59 | dendrite | zood_: Heh. Or point webcollage at a nanny proxy... =) |
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| 04:27.55 | shadow98 | how can i tell what is running on port 8080 |
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| 04:28.05 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 04:28.05 | Cybodog | netstat? |
| 04:28.06 | dendrite | shadow98: lsof -i :8080 |
| 04:28.10 | EdLin | that's funny, it's been a while since I ran KDE, but I recall its screensaver feature was configurable |
| 04:28.27 | jeffrin | how to make boot up messeges in colour like knopixx live DVD |
| 04:28.41 | dendrite | EdLin: It is, it just doesn't have the ability to knock out specific ones that I can see. E.g., in random mode... |
| 04:28.58 | Cybodog | Edlin, It appears to be, but only to the point of selecting what screen saver or "random" not individula screensavers under random |
| 04:29.13 | EdLin | oh, nm then |
| 04:29.13 | dendrite | I don't use random mode because I got sick of rogue screen savers in xscreensaver crashing X... |
| 04:29.15 | dabreegster | jeffrin: You'd have to edit the individual init.d scripts. Bit tough to do, but if you find a premade collection of them, let me know |
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| 04:29.54 | westside | yikes an upgrade removed /etc/init.d/rc ! wtf :( |
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| 04:30.32 | westside | does /etc/init.d/rc change much between releases? Can I grab one off another box? |
| 04:30.38 | jeffrin | dabreegster :hello |
| 04:30.49 | jeffrin | dabreegster : is there any kernel patch |
| 04:30.52 | dabreegster | jeffrin: Hi. |
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| 04:31.17 | dabreegster | jeffrin: It has little to do with the kernel. The init.d scripts in knoppix simply output ANSI escape codes to make things look nice |
| 04:31.18 | dendrite | westside: 'debsums sysv-rc' and make sure that's the only damage. |
| 04:31.33 | dabreegster | jeffrin: Now, if you're referring to the image of a penguin, that's bootsplash/framebuffer. That is kernel related. |
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| 04:32.03 | jeffrin | dabreegster : iam not telling about the penguin |
| 04:32.17 | westside | dendrite: ok I'll try that |
| 04:32.40 | westside | I can only boot into knoppix now can I run debsums from knoppix? |
| 04:32.44 | dabreegster | jeffrin: OK. Well, Debian's init.d scripts don't have ANSI color in them |
| 04:33.10 | amphi | jeffrin: man console_codes |
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| 04:33.55 | dendrite | westside: I doubt if a knoppix debsums would help solve a Debian issue... |
| 04:34.27 | dendrite | westside: So, grabbing that file from another box would certainly be a good interim step. |
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| 04:35.17 | westside | k |
| 04:35.24 | alkalineX | FBI_FREEZE, fuck off dude |
| 04:35.32 | regeya | indeed. |
| 04:35.54 | FBI_FREEZE | :'( |
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| 04:41.05 | liable | so what was the big statement from #freenode-moderated?? |
| 04:41.52 | atrus | liable: http://www.ignition-project.com/freenode-attack-press-conference-1.txt |
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| 04:44.20 | itchi | liable: Some crap guys was been there :-( |
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| 04:45.42 | westside | well coping rc seems to have allowed me to boot |
| 04:45.43 | liable | atrus: ta |
| 04:46.07 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 04:46.09 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 04:46.48 | dendrite | westside: Cool. Now you should be able to run debsums on the sysv-rc package... |
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| 04:49.28 | itchi | liable: Have you look to the end of it ? |
| 04:49.42 | itchi | liable: And the attacks :-/ |
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| 04:53.23 | itchi | liable: hhhmmm, there's an little part missing on that web page. When he have set it -m. |
| 04:53.55 | itchi | liable: Ooh, it was for 15 seconds -m. But an big show in 15 seconds :-/ |
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| 04:54.43 | gejo_deb | Can you help me to configure spews dnsbl in sendmail.mc |
| 04:55.19 | liable | itchi: i just finished reading it. sad but funny that there were gnaa trolls in there |
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| 04:56.23 | itchi | liable: Yeah, realy crazy, and when he had open the doors (-m) when it was done... That was an thing :-/ |
| 04:56.57 | itchi | liable: Some people are realy strange :-/ Me to i know :-p |
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| 05:02.39 | itchi | hehe alternative of ie ^^ :-p |
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| 05:03.10 | tuxplorer | can anyone give me the output of cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 05:03.39 | dabreegster | tuxplorer: testing/unstable here |
| 05:04.14 | itchi | tuxplorer: and of an Sarge 3.1 |
| 05:04.22 | itchi | tuxplorer: 3.1 |
| 05:04.41 | tuxplorer | itchi: did it say "Sarge 3.1" ? |
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| 05:05.06 | itchi | tuxplorer: No, that's why you got an new line :-; '3.1' only |
| 05:05.09 | tuxplorer | I just want to know the exact content, as I need to write a line of code to parse it |
| 05:05.10 | dendrite | tuxplorer: Fully updated sarge here just says 3.1 |
| 05:05.15 | tuxplorer | ok |
| 05:05.28 | dendrite | tuxplorer: "3.1" but without the quotes. |
| 05:05.52 | tuxplorer | is there a way to get the name like Debian-sarge or something similar from any other file? |
| 05:06.33 | tuxplorer | I 'am writing a script to detect the distro.. I need to have a check for debian.. |
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| 05:07.09 | dendrite | tuxplorer: Well, an unmodified /etc/issue.net has "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l" ... |
| 05:07.24 | itchi | tuxplorer: /proc/version |
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| 05:16.44 | itchi | Gnea: Hello my bot :-p |
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| 05:17.04 | itchi | Gnea: Yeah, i know now ;-) |
| 05:17.20 | Amarande | X problem. |
| 05:17.25 | Amarande | My mouse cursor has become invisible. |
| 05:17.32 | Amarande | I can still move it and click it if I know where it is, but I can't see it. |
| 05:17.37 | Gnea | itchi: piss off ;) |
| 05:17.38 | Amarande | Can this be fixed without restarting X? |
| 05:17.52 | Gnea | Amarande: what caused it? |
| 05:17.54 | itchi | Amarande: The new version get a cat :-) |
| 05:17.56 | Amarande | Gnea: I'm not sure. |
| 05:18.06 | Amarande | I switched to a Windows program (X is via Cygwin/X) |
| 05:18.14 | Amarande | and when I switched back to Xchat my mouse cursor became invisible. |
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| 05:18.17 | Gnea | ah |
| 05:18.22 | Amarande | It becomes visible again if I move it outside an X window. |
| 05:18.24 | itchi | Amarande: We no more need the mouse :-0 |
| 05:18.24 | Gnea | what window manager are you using? |
| 05:18.35 | ram_einstein | how is Debian pronounced? D-bian or Deb-ian? |
| 05:18.38 | Amarande | Gnea: cygwin/X's default wm |
| 05:18.48 | Gnea | ram_einstein: the latter |
| 05:18.58 | Gnea | Amarande: which is...? |
| 05:19.18 | ram_einstein | Gnea: thank you |
| 05:19.23 | Amarande | I'm not sure what it's called, it's the one you get when you use -multiwindow |
| 05:19.35 | Gnea | i have no idea, i don't use cygwin |
| 05:19.42 | Gnea | but a restart will probably fix it |
| 05:20.30 | Amarande | yeah, I mostly don't want to have to leave IRC and rejoin everything |
| 05:20.35 | tuxplorer | dendrite: itchi: sorry! had a couple of phone calls.. |
| 05:20.43 | Amarande | Is there a command that sets the mouse cursor graphic? |
| 05:20.52 | tuxplorer | itchi: what would /proc/version have? |
| 05:20.52 | Gnea | that's why i run irssi in a screen session :) |
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| 05:21.15 | itchi | tuxplorer: On my Sarge : Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 |
| 05:21.18 | DigitalStimulus | Amarande: update-alternatives --config x-mouse-cursor (i think) |
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| 05:21.32 | itchi | tuxplorer: On my Etch Linux version 2.6.15-1-k7 (Debian 2.6.15-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #2 Mon Mar 6 15:42:39 UTC 2006 |
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| 05:21.49 | tuxplorer | itchi: thanks |
| 05:21.57 | Amarande | "no alternatives for x-mouse-cursor" |
| 05:22.02 | DigitalStimulus | gah, it's not x-mouse-cursor...i forget what it is |
| 05:22.06 | itchi | tuxplorer: ;-) |
| 05:22.07 | DigitalStimulus | x-something |
| 05:22.09 | gteppel | What is the easiest way to get access to a specific file inside of a package?, does apt-get provide such a mechanism? I'm wanting to see the default cupsd.conf file for the cups software |
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| 05:23.12 | DigitalStimulus | Amarande: x-cursor-theme |
| 05:23.48 | Amarande | Okay, none of those have any effect. I still have that usable-but-invisible cursor. |
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| 05:23.59 | DigitalStimulus | Amarande: did you restart x? |
| 05:24.09 | stew | tuxplorer: none of that data itchi gave you is etch specific |
| 05:24.36 | stew | tuxplorer: there is no simple way to do what you want. the most trusted way to really tell what version someone is running is to compare the version number of the libc6 package with well known versions |
| 05:24.40 | dendrite | gteppel: I believe dpkg can do that. |
| 05:24.55 | gteppel | dendrite: ok i'll look into it thanks |
| 05:25.00 | DigitalStimulus | Amarande: that sets the mouse cursor theme that X will use when it starts, i don't know if there's a way to change it on the fly |
| 05:25.08 | DigitalStimulus | pfft |
| 05:25.45 | stew | update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
| 05:25.53 | stew | (is a way to update it on the fly) |
| 05:26.45 | DigitalStimulus | stew: well sorta :0) |
| 05:26.58 | tuxplorer | stew: ok |
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| 05:31.27 | itchi | stew: Thanks for that ^^ info and clarification ;-) |
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| 05:35.26 | brtjohns | hmm, just wondering where all debians packages are,like xine ,mplayer etc, slackware has all those packages at your beck and call |
| 05:35.29 | brtjohns | hmmmm |
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| 05:36.02 | itchi | brtjohns: You need marillat |
| 05:36.16 | itchi | !tell brtjohns -about marillat |
| 05:36.43 | brtjohns | debian sarge i have or soemthing i have |
| 05:36.52 | brtjohns | put it on a 350mhz |
| 05:37.07 | brtjohns | my main 3ghz machine run slackware and openbsd |
| 05:37.37 | brtjohns | but im wondering if i can get it more functional then this, with some descent multimedia apps |
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| 05:38.04 | teratorn | is there in command-line tool to install everything that a given .deb files depends on? |
| 05:38.08 | teratorn | s/in/any/ |
| 05:38.39 | stew | tuxplorer: "dpkg -i /path/to/foo.deb" ; then "apt-get -f install" will fix the dependencies |
| 05:38.45 | stew | teratorn: ^^ |
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| 05:38.50 | teratorn | ah, nice |
| 05:38.57 | teratorn | thanks |
| 05:39.20 | brtjohns | what do you guys use to watch a movie on debian with |
| 05:39.30 | nevyn | brtjohns: mplayer |
| 05:39.40 | nevyn | or mythvideo |
| 05:39.42 | dabreegster | brtjohns: mplayer works great. Did you check out the marillat repository? |
| 05:39.54 | itchi | brtjohns: gmplayer, xine, totem |
| 05:39.57 | brtjohns | sorry im not sure of marillat |
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| 05:40.11 | brtjohns | there a website |
| 05:40.14 | brtjohns | to go to |
| 05:41.17 | atrus | tell brtjohns about marillat |
| 05:41.21 | itchi | I just discover that my movies no more plays, no image but i get sound. Some time ago upgraded to Etch. w32codecs are been installed |
| 05:41.23 | atrus | dpkg tell brtjohns about marillat |
| 05:41.40 | Cornellius | Is there any talk for a date to the next Debian Stable ? |
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| 05:41.49 | itchi | atrus: try !tell brtjohns -about marillat |
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| 05:42.21 | fauxalliance | phew i can sleep now, cpufreq, suspend, hardware acceleration and finally little wifi ants are aggregating on my google earth, thanks to those who helped, cookies for the rest. |
| 05:42.41 | teratorn | are uids and gids for "standard" user accounts created by packages always the same, e.g. the zope user? |
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| 05:43.47 | Amarande | ergh |
| 05:43.52 | itchi | bbbrrr, tvtime are also no more working :-/ |
| 05:43.56 | Amarande | someone should point Cornellius to that dpkg entry |
| 05:44.07 | Amarande | but I can't remember exactly the name of the entry that asks about etch becoming stable |
| 05:44.20 | itchi | Is it because i have not setup my 3D ATI 9600Se ? |
| 05:44.45 | streuner | Amarande: /msg dpkg wir |
| 05:44.46 | atrus | !wwer |
| 05:44.46 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00015.html |
| 05:44.50 | itchi | !wir |
| 05:44.51 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 05:45.47 | itchi | I love the 'wir', now i always say it, in realy life to, hehe |
| 05:47.09 | Amarande | Just don't confuse it with wii, heh |
| 05:47.48 | itchi | Amarande: :-/ |
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| 05:52.07 | HuK0B | hi What is the fastest way to resize some image file from 15gb to 10gb ? |
| 05:53.56 | sep | HuK0B, and retain it's data i supose. you must first resize the filesystem on it. but in your case i'd say it would be easier to make a new 10Gb image and copy over. |
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| 06:03.18 | Johnny_5 | i downloaded a new theme for enlightenment, but for some reason i can't seem to get it to show up in my themes menus |
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| 06:06.08 | Johnny_5 | i regenerated menus, too...any idea why i can't get it in my menus?? |
| 06:07.20 | Corey | does anyone here use Knoppix? (trust me, this has to do with Debian) |
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| 06:07.45 | tuxcicles | rather use kanotix |
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| 06:08.10 | Corey | well, my question is. this is rather dumb, but I'm curious |
| 06:08.13 | Johnny_5 | the pastebin doesn't seem to be working right or i would paste my .enlightenment/themes for you |
| 06:08.42 | Corey | why is it that when I installed Knoppix to my HDD, it first started saying "Welcome to Debian @ Knoppix" |
| 06:09.06 | SerajewelKS | does cp have some option to not clobber a file if it exists? presumably i could use 'yes n | cp -i ...' but is there a cleaner method? |
| 06:09.54 | SerajewelKS | or hrm.. not that the pipeline is exactly unclean... kind of a kludge though |
| 06:09.56 | teratorn | any way to install a .deb file (with dpkg -i ?) *and* download/install dependencies? |
| 06:10.06 | SerajewelKS | teratorn: apt-get? |
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| 06:10.19 | dabreegster | SerajewelKS: There doesn't seem to be an option. You could always cat foo > bar with your shell's no clobber option set |
| 06:10.30 | teratorn | SerajewelKS: unfortunately that's not the best option for us... we need to use an actual .deb file |
| 06:10.40 | Johnny_5 | Corey: i think Debian is the username and knoppix is the comp name that is automatically given when you install it onto your hdd |
| 06:10.49 | SerajewelKS | dabreegster: well the idea is to use it with -r |
| 06:10.58 | Corey | ok, just wondering |
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| 06:11.03 | SerajewelKS | teratorn: install the dependencies yourself maybe |
| 06:11.06 | Corey | cuz its always confused me |
| 06:11.11 | Johnny_5 | i downloaded a new theme for enlightenment, but for some reason i can't seem to get it to show up in my themes menus |
| 06:11.37 | tuxcicles | Corey: kanotix is a live cd too, although it will install true debian sid out of the actual repositories. |
| 06:11.37 | dabreegster | SerajewelKS: Hmm. Dunno, you could write a script or something. |
| 06:11.37 | Corey | I know that "debian-based" distros are those modelled after the original Debian Linux |
| 06:11.38 | teratorn | SerajewelKS: well of course that will work :) |
| 06:11.44 | SerajewelKS | dabreegster: well 'yes n | cp -i ...' will work it just seems kinda hackish |
| 06:12.04 | SerajewelKS | then again this is linux... our initscripts are hackish :) |
| 06:12.29 | dabreegster | SerajewelKS: I know what you mean about solutions that seem 'clean', but if it's just for simple utility purposes... it works. |
| 06:12.30 | SerajewelKS | teratorn: if it's just two or three deps, it shouldn't be a problem to install them manually |
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| 06:13.24 | SerajewelKS | dabreegster: yeah i just figured if cp can tell if a file exists (e.g. -i) that it should have some option to ignore existing destination files. or even provide some option that if the dest_size < src_size, copy starting at offset dest_size -- to resume an interrupted copy |
| 06:13.40 | SerajewelKS | dabreegster: again that could be hacked with something like dd, but you know ;) |
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| 06:14.40 | dabreegster | SerajewelKS: You should write those scripts and make them available, so the next person believes it to be the "clean" solution. After all, the clean solution is the one we cannot see. |
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| 06:17.54 | SerajewelKS | dabreegster: or just patch cp |
| 06:18.39 | dabreegster | SerajewelKS: Do coreutils still get new features these days? |
| 06:18.56 | dabreegster | Or just miscellanious bugfixes to make them work in some obscure situation? |
| 06:19.31 | SerajewelKS | last update, may 27 |
| 06:19.44 | SerajewelKS | lists one new feature to 'who' |
| 06:19.50 | SerajewelKS | so presumably yeah |
| 06:19.55 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: it gets new features all the time, actually. |
| 06:20.12 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: the tool you're really looking for is rsync. |
| 06:20.25 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: Neat, never really knew that |
| 06:20.52 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: works on local-to-local transfers? |
| 06:21.17 | SerajewelKS | well the second local is smbfs, but rsync doesn't need to know that |
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| 06:22.05 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: a cp option to not clobber files at all (not even prompt) would be nice though.. i can't find one aside from 'yes n | cp -i' |
| 06:22.34 | dabreegster | SerajewelKS: Should be an easy patch. Opposite of force. |
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| 06:23.15 | dabreegster | Actually, nevermind. force has a different definition in cp |
| 06:23.42 | SerajewelKS | dabreegster: yeah, -f isn't the opposite of -i, you can use them together |
| 06:24.00 | dabreegster | SerajewelKS: I was thinking in terms of rm |
| 06:24.09 | SerajewelKS | dabreegster: so if you've aliased cp='cp -i' in your bashrc, you have to do something like this to get around it: 'cp' foo bar |
| 06:24.31 | SerajewelKS | dabreegster: yeah, in rm -f and -i are opposites... can be confusing |
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| 06:38.59 | crackintosh | does anyone know of a utility to count and list the most commonly used words in a group of files? |
| 06:40.19 | unix_infidel | crackintosh: a custom script would do it. |
| 06:40.52 | crackintosh | nah im too lame to do that :-/ |
| 06:41.08 | deadcat | then no |
| 06:41.28 | simonrvn | why isn't my alt key working... |
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| 06:41.42 | unix_infidel | i guess where you are from lame=lazy. |
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| 06:42.26 | unix_infidel | my bet is america. |
| 06:42.26 | deadcat | simonrvn: mac kb? |
| 06:42.27 | crackintosh | yeah, ill learn some day. |
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| 06:42.54 | crackintosh | america is lazy the rest of the world is leaving us behind. |
| 06:43.02 | SerajewelKS | crackintosh: awk should be able to do it by itself, perl can too and is probably easier |
| 06:43.15 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:43.27 | unix_infidel | just a couple lines in a bash script with grep and wc would do it. |
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| 06:43.41 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: unlikely |
| 06:44.14 | deadcat | you have to go through eachword right? |
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| 06:44.30 | simonrvn | ok, esc is working... i can deal with that |
| 06:44.55 | deadcat | simonrvn: maybe bad kb |
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| 06:44.59 | crackintosh | meh, i've moved on to something else |
| 06:45.01 | SerajewelKS | crackintosh: perl -le 'while (<>) { $word{$_}++ for (split /\s+/) } print "$word{$_} $_" for (keys %word)' | sort -n |
| 06:45.04 | SerajewelKS | crackintosh: might do it |
| 06:45.40 | SerajewelKS | crackintosh: pipe to that or specify files on the command line before the | |
| 06:45.51 | simonrvn | no, just not working in this irc client + screen. where it works in kde... strange |
| 06:47.25 | unix_infidel | heh, damn, that's some nice perl skilz. |
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| 06:48.00 | crackintosh | ill try that one sera |
| 06:48.07 | formorer | perl -le 'while (<>) { $word{$_}++ for (split /\s+/) } print "$word{$_} $_" for (sort (keys %word))' |
| 06:48.14 | SerajewelKS | crackintosh: or something more unixy: cat file1 .. filen | perl -nle 'chomp; for (split /\s+/) { print }' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n |
| 06:48.29 | deadcat | ya. nice little hacks. (= |
| 06:48.36 | SerajewelKS | formorer: if you want the words sorted alphabetically, yes |
| 06:49.03 | deadcat | ha.. that bitch uses dreamhost too (= |
| 06:49.33 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: experience |
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| 06:49.57 | simonrvn | i sang from wednesday til today. my voice is dead and scratchy. boy was it fun, and heavy. some special moments... also at the pow-wow in ottawa. just beautiful, and very spiritual, and fun. |
| 06:50.00 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: *nix tools give you all the crap you need to manipulate the hell out of anything, you just gotta string them together =) |
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| 06:50.20 | deadcat | i spent $45USD on soda and juice today (= |
| 06:50.24 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: and then you come back to #debian and life sucks again |
| 06:50.31 | unix_infidel | deadcat: next time spend it on booze. |
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| 06:50.52 | simonrvn | nah, life is good. just have to stay centred |
| 06:50.56 | formorer | perl -le 'while (<>) { $word{$_}++ for (split /\s+/) } print "$word{$_} $_" for (sort { $word{$a} <=> $word{b}} (keys %word))' |
| 06:50.57 | deadcat | unix_infidel: i dont drink alcohol.. but i love the weird juice drinks and so |
| 06:50.59 | formorer | to be complete |
| 06:51.08 | unix_infidel | deadcat: you're missing out. |
| 06:51.13 | SerajewelKS | formorer: or you can pipe through sort -n and be happy |
| 06:51.15 | deadcat | unix_infidel: hehe.. |
| 06:51.48 | simonrvn | i don't drink either. on hot days i sometimes miss beer, but not really that much. i drink water |
| 06:51.49 | SerajewelKS | formorer: or skip the hash altogether and use sort/uniq/sort, as i did above |
| 06:52.35 | formorer | SerajewelKS: yeah, but thats uncool :) |
| 06:52.48 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: i know "stay centred" is easier said than done, but you get better at it, until nothing ever phases you, but still feel empathy, etc. |
| 06:52.51 | SerajewelKS | formorer: it's more classic unix =P |
| 06:53.07 | formorer | then you won't use perl ;) |
| 06:53.12 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: that's about where i am |
| 06:53.14 | simonrvn | being cool is what you yourself makes of it |
| 06:53.48 | simonrvn | getting back onto my own path helped a lot ;) |
| 06:53.53 | unix_infidel | SerajewelKS: what do you mean by experience? |
| 06:53.56 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i feel empathy/sympathy from people in need, aside from that i'm actually very vulcan |
| 06:54.17 | unix_infidel | you're a *nix admin? |
| 06:54.23 | unix_infidel | or just a junky. |
| 06:54.32 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: after using *nix command line tools to manipulate text you learn some tricks that let you solve a particular problem with those tools fast. not unlike programming languages. |
| 06:54.41 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: both, to varying degrees |
| 06:55.09 | simonrvn | vulcan? oh, emotionless. nah, i'm quite emotional... just more um, still i gues sthe closest word i can think of. not so much in my head |
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| 06:55.14 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i empathize with sarek more than anyone |
| 06:55.31 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: not so much unemotional.. there is that side, but i'm very driven by logic. *very* |
| 06:55.47 | jake | Hi, whats best way to speed up the scroll rate of my touch pad? (acer aspire 1300), tpconfig rate=1 did nothing. |
| 06:56.06 | unix_infidel | jake: is it synaptics? |
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| 06:56.18 | jake | unix_infidel, it is. |
| 06:56.25 | jake | I installed the xorg driver |
| 06:56.35 | unix_infidel | jake: make sure synaptics is enabled in xorg.conf and man synclient. |
| 06:56.37 | jake | well apt-get'ed it, and its seems to be in use via xorg.conf |
| 06:56.48 | jake | unix_infidel, k I will triple check |
| 06:56.49 | unix_infidel | erm, setup, not enabled. |
| 06:56.49 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: like my family's dog died, and my dad is a little upset about it. as far as i am concerned, it was a good thing because she had arthritis and other diseases anyway. it's emotionally logically the right answer. if you know what i mean. |
| 06:57.40 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i don't do drugs or drink because it's dumb; there are very good logical reasons to avoid them. |
| 06:58.07 | unix_infidel | SerajewelKS: like? |
| 06:58.37 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: societal consequences mainly. drinking can cause people to say things they'd regret, and i'd rather not regret. |
| 06:58.38 | jake | unix_infidel, I get "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?". |
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| 06:58.53 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: loss of control is the first step to making illogical decisions. |
| 06:58.54 | unix_infidel | jake: right, you need to enable SHMConfig in xorg.conf. |
| 06:59.01 | jake | k |
| 06:59.25 | unix_infidel | SerajewelKS: the brain is setup to enjoy illogical situations... |
| 06:59.38 | unix_infidel | you deny an organ the correct biochemistry...it fails...simple as that. |
| 06:59.56 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: irony, yes, i get my kicks from comedy and non-drunk relationships. |
| 07:00.13 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: there is plenty of irony to be found in non-dangerous situations |
| 07:00.18 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: i see. me, it's re-discovering and exploring my native ancestry, philosophy, spirituality, etc. it makes me more me, know what i mean? |
| 07:00.23 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: often of higher quality, IMO |
| 07:00.46 | unix_infidel | SerajewelKS: as long as you have something to compare it to. to each his own. |
| 07:00.49 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: yeah, for me it's coding for five hours then treating the world like a program =) |
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| 07:01.18 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: yeah part of that logic is that not everyone unwinds the same say. so my logic says i don't care if you're drunk, as long as i'm not in the car when you're driving. :) |
| 07:01.55 | unix_infidel | no one cares how you arrive upon the right decision. As long as you get there. |
| 07:02.06 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: i do |
| 07:02.10 | unix_infidel | Making millions in a drunken stupor is the same as making millions in a logical stupor. |
| 07:02.21 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: hehe |
| 07:02.37 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: making millions isn't exactly my goal |
| 07:03.10 | unix_infidel | to each his own agony. |
| 07:03.16 | SerajewelKS | i hope we can come up with a tie-in to debian before azeem gets back |
| 07:03.44 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: if that's your perspective |
| 07:04.21 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: i am quite satisfied right now. i'm at home recuperating after college. life is good. i have a brand new 250gb SATA II drive. |
| 07:04.42 | SerajewelKS | unix_infidel: and a ton of student loans... |
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| 07:05.04 | SerajewelKS | and someone to meet tomorrow... so i think i'd better turn in |
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| 07:06.20 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: final note, i actually find perl poetry more readable than most "real" (e.g. classic) poetry |
| 07:06.52 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: because it expresses things in terms i understand, while other poetry is so artistic that i sit there after reading it thinking "what the hell did i just read" |
| 07:07.16 | simonrvn | that's cool. i have no problem with things that make people feel in tune with themselves. to use an expression, 'more power to them'. |
| 07:07.21 | SerajewelKS | so you might call me simple minded, and i would agree with you |
| 07:08.01 | simonrvn | g'night |
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| 07:09.39 | simonrvn | making millions what? people feel good and get healing? sure :) |
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| 07:14.18 | kimo | I am trying to prepare a Linux document/tutorial for beginners (bash, vim, ...) Any idea where to copy from :) |
| 07:14.41 | liable | haha |
| 07:14.47 | simonrvn | um |
| 07:14.50 | liable | tldp.org |
| 07:14.53 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:15.30 | simonrvn | just give people the link to tldp.org ;) |
| 07:16.13 | kimo | cool ... I only had rute tutorial on mind |
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| 07:18.15 | liable | !ops bonghll spam |
| 07:18.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: liable complains about: bonghll spam |
| 07:18.24 | HuK0B | sep but when I do that and boot it tell me that e2fsck have unsupported futures and to get new one |
| 07:18.40 | Tallu | bonghll: annoyance. are you a bot? |
| 07:18.44 | HuK0B | how I can when use resize2fs to truncate the image the free space? |
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| 07:20.32 | simonrvn | bonghll: go away |
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| 07:21.34 | nuke | question: i want to copy a bunch of files by scp between 2 comps. but on target comp, there are many pipe files also, when scp reaches them, it freezez....any way to make scp copy only normal files? |
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| 07:28.32 | five0 | what's a pipe file? |
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| 07:29.36 | nuke | do 'ls -l'...for a directory, 1st letter is a 'd'...for a pipe it is a 'p' |
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| 07:30.13 | five0 | nuke: why don't you do a scp `find -f ...` |
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| 07:30.39 | Johnny_5 | errr.... |
| 07:30.48 | five0 | -type f |
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| 07:31.52 | nuke | hmm...lemme see |
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| 07:34.29 | yassine | good morning everyone |
| 07:34.43 | Johnny_5 | hello |
| 07:35.10 | Johnny_5 | i'm still havin' the same probs with enlightenment |
| 07:35.47 | liable | Johnny_5: you know theres #e ?? |
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| 07:36.02 | Johnny_5 | cool |
| 07:36.09 | Johnny_5 | i'll go there, then |
| 07:36.10 | Johnny_5 | thanx |
| 07:36.19 | Johnny_5 | #e |
| 07:36.21 | Johnny_5 | oops |
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| 07:45.50 | nuke | is anything wrong with this line? scp -pr `find /home/mtech2 -type f` root@10.9.33.70:/home/ |
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| 07:48.57 | nkuttler | nuke: i guess scp -r is unnecessary if you use -type f |
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| 07:50.55 | nuke | hmm...doing this isnt sending each file in its own directory |
| 07:51.06 | nuke | its dumping all files in 33.30/home itself |
| 07:51.42 | nkuttler | nuke: sure. that's what you told it to do |
| 07:52.37 | nkuttler | nuke: is 33.30 localhost? |
| 07:53.15 | nuke | that i can see..what i want it to do is make a exact mirror not copying the pipe files |
| 07:53.29 | nuke | i means 33.70 in the last line |
| 07:53.46 | nuke | darn typos |
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| 07:54.36 | nkuttler | nuke: just scp -r /home/mtech2? |
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| 07:55.19 | nuke | doing that tries to copy pipe files also and scp freezes on them |
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| 08:02.24 | simonrvn | nuke: make a script with find excluding pipes |
| 08:02.44 | simonrvn | then output to xargs and scp to cp them over |
| 08:03.37 | RvGaTe | This is kinda OT, but im getting these strange messages: (10:03:16) -RvGaTe- +® 2393584.. all the time... using mirc |
| 08:04.08 | simonrvn | it's very ot |
| 08:04.24 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 08:04.40 | RvGaTe | it anoys me tho |
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| 08:06.32 | rue_mohr | I need a program for playing wav files from console (for an at based alarm clock) ideas? |
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| 08:07.27 | RvGaTe | everytime someone says something it starts with an + or a - |
| 08:07.40 | rue_mohr | xcdroast is the only package that looks like it commes with a wav playing program |
| 08:07.52 | oskie | this is FreeNode right? anyway... is it possible to prepare a USB memory for debian install from Windows? |
| 08:07.56 | ChrisW | hi all, chkrootkit is giving me false positives for /sbin/dhclient as a packet sniffer, is there anything I can put in /etc/chkrootkit.conf to exclude just that binary from that test? |
| 08:08.08 | yang | what can be a tape device if not /dev/st0 ? |
| 08:08.09 | brtjohns | just wondering how i get xine? |
| 08:08.36 | mansu | has anyone tried easyubuntu on debian? |
| 08:08.36 | rue_mohr | apt-get install xine? |
| 08:08.43 | brtjohns | nah |
| 08:08.53 | brtjohns | doesnt work |
| 08:09.03 | nkuttler | rue_mohr: sox |
| 08:09.03 | rue_mohr | sorry I dont even know what it is |
| 08:09.15 | rue_mohr | sox... sox can play wav files? |
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| 08:09.32 | rue_mohr | mpg123 could to, soundlt it? |
| 08:09.55 | nkuttler | rue_mohr: it comes with play which has it's name for a reason |
| 08:10.14 | yang | . /dev/st0 doesnt exist at all... |
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| 08:10.30 | rue_mohr | cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV st |
| 08:11.27 | jake | I have a touchpad with left+right + scroll button, on my normal desktop clicking the scroll button pastes anything I hightlighted with terminal, what config options do I need to set to get this working on my laptop? |
| 08:12.21 | rue_mohr | well, how about using chord emulates middle button? |
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| 08:12.42 | jake | I set emulate 3 button mouse, does not seem to of done anything |
| 08:13.24 | rue_mohr | click both buttons at the same time |
| 08:13.28 | rue_mohr | togethor |
| 08:13.32 | rue_mohr | should paste |
| 08:13.42 | row | ah sweet, cheers. |
| 08:14.03 | rue_mohr | have fun |
| 08:14.49 | yang | rue_mohr: they got created under /dev/.static/dev/st* |
| 08:14.57 | yang | but it doesnt work |
| 08:15.25 | rue_mohr | hmm, cant help out much more |
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| 08:21.04 | nuke | question: i installed mplayer(with gui), even after setting it as full scrren, i get it as a small vid in full screen...why? |
| 08:21.44 | ColdFyre | goodnight guys |
| 08:21.52 | nuke | byee |
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| 08:23.58 | petemc | nuke: mplayer -fs -zoom |
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| 08:25.24 | debian | wait a minute |
| 08:25.30 | debian | freenode was hijacked? |
| 08:25.48 | kromagg | only took you 2 days to notice too |
| 08:26.05 | zamolxes | omgz, i use this password for e-banking !!1! |
| 08:26.50 | kromagg | zamolxes: doesn't happen to be zamo123, is it? |
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| 08:27.02 | ntoll | hi, I'm following the instructions for setting up subversion (found here: http://wiki.debian.org/?SubversionApache2SSLHowto). But get an error from the steps taken in point 5. It complains that the address or port is invalid (I replaced the "*" with ":443"). What is the correct syntax to do this step correctly? |
| 08:27.33 | nuke | if i want to uninstall a program..i use make clean or make remove or something else? |
| 08:27.58 | zamolxes | kromagg: you are hack me!! |
| 08:28.06 | zamolxes | !1! |
| 08:28.06 | dpkg | 1! is probably 1 |
| 08:28.14 | debian | so, should be changed password right now |
| 08:28.42 | debian | how do we know the nickserv now is serving is real? |
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| 08:29.32 | lindenle | nuke: is it a debian package or did you biuild it yourself |
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| 08:30.20 | yure | debian, if that's true, why lilo didn't send no warnings? |
| 08:30.37 | nuke | build it myself |
| 08:30.46 | kromagg | yure: he sent out a GLOBAL yesterday that you should probably change your password |
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| 08:31.07 | yure | ntoll, #svn |
| 08:31.27 | yure | kromagg, i know this will sound stupid, but what's the command to change it? |
| 08:31.30 | ntoll | yure: yup... just found it... thanks |
| 08:32.23 | kromagg | yure: /msg nickserv set password <newpass> |
| 08:32.41 | kromagg | yure: not stupid, it's kind of hidden under the set-part of the options :) |
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| 08:37.15 | yang | I am wondering about my tape device, modprobe /dev/st doesnt exist, but modprobe st says: st: Version 20050830, fixed bufsize 32768, s/g segs 256 |
| 08:37.25 | yure | thanks kromagg |
| 08:38.58 | kromagg | yang: perhaps there is a /dev/st0 or /dev/sta or perhaps the driver is not udev-ready (and you're using udev) in which case you need to manually mkdev |
| 08:39.11 | kromagg | yang: just a guess |
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| 08:40.38 | Administrator | How is reiser4 with debian? |
| 08:40.47 | yang | ./dev/stderr /dev/stdin /dev/stdout |
| 08:40.48 | yang | kromagg: under /dev/st* there are only |
| 08:41.15 | yang | and I allready did a MAKEDEV st, and all went into /dev/.static/dev/st* |
| 08:41.31 | yang | but they arent readable there... |
| 08:42.06 | formorer | Administrator: hopefully not good.... |
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| 08:42.36 | kromagg | yang: k can't help you then |
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| 08:42.50 | formorer | Administrator: but you are free to try your luck with kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4 and reiser4progs |
| 08:42.54 | formorer | good luck, you need it |
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| 08:43.55 | rhalff | what's the normal way to bann http slurping clients ? |
| 08:44.11 | rhalff | something like blacklist as postfix is not very optimal is it ? |
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| 08:45.34 | kromagg | rhalff: http slurping clients, explain? |
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| 08:46.10 | liable | spiders? |
| 08:46.11 | rhalff | kroddn, irritating bots that are also listed on spam blacklists :) |
| 08:46.58 | rhalff | but checking a black list every time a http client connects isn't really possible I think. |
| 08:47.47 | rhalff | well it's possible but slow, I guess. |
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| 08:48.38 | Administrator | formorer, i'm in search of a reiser4 instalation |
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| 08:49.24 | formorer | *shiver* No I don't think its available since reise4 is not in the kernel tree |
| 08:49.35 | Bolislav | hello |
| 08:49.38 | kromagg | oh I got confused with the postfix mention |
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| 08:51.21 | yang | how do i change port for telnetd ? |
| 08:51.46 | zamolxes | yang: edit /etc/services :) |
| 08:51.49 | Bolislav | Excuse for impoliteness. Help please to the Russian programmer? It is possible on your channel? |
| 08:52.09 | kromagg | yang: telnetd is probably started from /etc/inetd.conf |
| 08:52.19 | kromagg | yang: though using sshd would be a more secure alternative |
| 08:53.35 | yang | this is the line from inetd.conf - telnet stream tcp nowait telnetd.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd |
| 08:53.40 | yang | no port there |
| 08:54.01 | tilrman | the first 'telnet' is the port, taken from /etc/services |
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| 08:55.03 | zamolxes | Bolislav: not sure until you ask the question |
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| 08:57.12 | Administrator | is there propolice debian? |
| 08:57.29 | azeem | not that I know |
| 08:57.39 | azeem | SELinux has better deployment in Debian I think |
| 08:57.56 | azeem | anyway |
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| 08:59.51 | blondie | what's propolice? |
| 09:00.17 | azeem | some gcc-based stack protection I think |
| 09:00.51 | Bolislav | blondie: Ukraine :) |
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| 09:02.37 | blondie | Bolislav: huh? |
| 09:02.54 | azeem | it was a politically-motivated joke, I guess |
| 09:03.20 | blondie | ah |
| 09:03.54 | Bolislav | blondie: I from Russia, and was born on Uk near to the city of Kirovograd |
| 09:04.26 | blondie | kirovograd isn't in the uk :P |
| 09:05.04 | azeem | .uk |
| 09:05.33 | blondie | ... |
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| 09:06.20 | Bolislav | blondie: Oh, excuse please, the domain has confused |
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| 09:13.44 | ma3x | Hi, why can't I play .wmv files with mplayer or vlc or xine? |
| 09:13.57 | liable | !w32codecs |
| 09:13.58 | dpkg | from memory, w32codecs is a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular (but proprietary) multimedia codecs, such as avi, wmv, wma, normally found on windows systems. Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these codecs in debian. There is an article at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 about w32codecs that ad |
| 09:14.28 | ma3x | liable, I have already installed that! |
| 09:15.09 | ma3x | oh wait, I might not have it ... |
| 09:15.11 | liable | ma3x: ok, start mplayer from command line and see what it says |
| 09:15.15 | liable | right.. |
| 09:15.24 | Bolislav | Help to find the removed work for small money? |
| 09:15.29 | wdamn | Hi, I've got a 1 gb text file - how can I edit it? vi takes too long ... |
| 09:15.57 | rhalff | any harm in blocking 38.0.0.0/8 ? :) is that the entire state of washington ? |
| 09:15.58 | ma3x | Selected video codec: [wmv8] vfm: dshow (Windows Media Video 8) |
| 09:16.00 | ma3x | that's what it says |
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| 09:16.13 | rhalff | uhmm.. washington isn't a state :/ |
| 09:16.14 | rhalff | :) |
| 09:16.20 | liable | what about errors? |
| 09:16.21 | ma3x | then it starts to play it, but black picture |
| 09:16.31 | ma3x | uhm no errors dont see any |
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| 09:16.39 | liable | ma3x: change video outputs |
| 09:16.54 | ma3x | well just this: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/VeraMoBd.ttf doesn't look like a font description, ignoring. |
| 09:16.54 | ma3x | Cannot load font: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/VeraMoBd.ttf Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts. |
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| 09:17.44 | ma3x | liable, is it possible that those .wmv files are content protected or something? |
| 09:17.49 | ma3x | like require special license? |
| 09:18.08 | liable | ma3x: anything is possible with windows crap i guess. |
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| 09:18.54 | liable | ma3x: i dont think a font error would stop it running.. what vo are you using? |
| 09:19.29 | wolobe | i am trying to config apache2. i notice that /etc/apache2/apache2.conf is very different from the example in /usr/share/doc/apache2. which is the right format? |
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| 09:21.09 | liable | wolobe: apache2 doesnt have a httpd.conf? |
| 09:21.32 | wolobe | liable: that one is empty. |
| 09:22.11 | liable | wolobe: oh, i havent tried 2 yet, sorry no help. |
| 09:23.05 | wolobe | liable: ok. thks. btw, u know the big diff between the two version? |
| 09:23.22 | liable | wolobe: to tell the truth, no :) |
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| 09:23.50 | wolobe | liable: u r not very reliable today, hehe. |
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| 09:23.57 | liable | hah |
| 09:25.20 | sep | wolobe, apache2 have a nice site onriented syste, you write your virtualhost snippets as one file /site in sites-available you enable sites using a2ensite sitename. same with modules modules get installed to mods-available and you enable with a2enmods modulename |
| 09:25.36 | sep | quitting on me liek that bah!! |
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| 09:27.26 | liable | heh |
| 09:27.57 | d-_-b | i'm unable to connect to the arts server. an application that i'm compiling requires it. what could be the problem? |
| 09:28.06 | liable | sep: is it only in the file structure and shit that they differ? |
| 09:29.27 | sep | liable, i suspect there are many other fundamental changes, but that is the first the user hits. ie do not edit config file directly but make new site and a2ensite (all it do is make a symlink to sites-enabeled tho) |
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| 09:31.04 | liable | ah, so its just a bit more admin friendly ? same actuall server so to speak ? |
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| 09:32.08 | liable | i guess i should just google if i want to know :P |
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| 09:33.10 | Eulex | is it possible to send a message to a windows computer in linux like you would do with net send in windows? |
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| 09:33.58 | azeem | Eulex: I think there was a project for that, but not sure whether it's available or what the name is |
| 09:34.05 | azeem | Eulex: maybe there was an ITP recently |
| 09:34.25 | Eulex | azeem, ok, thank you :) |
| 09:34.39 | sep | Eulex, smbclient -M ? |
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| 09:34.56 | Eulex | sep, nah, looked at that, and that's winpopup, not net send |
| 09:35.17 | azeem | maybe it was about winpopup though, not sure |
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| 09:35.36 | rhalff | there is linpopup |
| 09:36.13 | rhalff | hm, ok, linpopup - X Window System port of Winpopup, running over Samba, sorry :) |
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| 09:36.20 | Admin123 | how do I enabled mod_userdir in apache etch? |
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| 09:37.49 | Admin123 | how do I enable mod_userdir in apache etch? |
| 09:38.19 | sep | Admin123, if apache2 run a2enmod |
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| 09:54.08 | ma3x | when I want to make a .deb , is it really really necessary to have the orig.tar.gz? |
| 09:54.13 | ma3x | can't I continue without it? |
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| 09:55.01 | Admin123 | sep will it still be there on reboot? the userdir mod? |
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| 09:55.58 | sep | Admin123, if you did it with a2enmod : yes |
| 09:56.11 | sep | Admin123, to remove run a2dismod |
| 09:56.40 | Admin123 | sep it's odd that the config didn't speak of obselete function and didn't refer to a2enmod it still said userdir in it.. |
| 09:56.55 | ma3x | hello! |
| 09:57.04 | ma3x | when I do dh_make must I have the orig.tar.gz ? |
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| 10:01.39 | row | I have a orinoco gold 11mbit card and need to get a list of APs in range, whats a good tool for this? |
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| 10:02.08 | Eulex | row, iwlist scanning |
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| 10:02.59 | row | Eulex, I tried that before I get "eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down" |
| 10:03.08 | ma3x | heeeeeeeeey! |
| 10:03.33 | Eulex | row, well, either you haven't setup the device correctly or the driver/card doesn't support scanning |
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| 10:05.26 | Maulkin | IIRC, some orinoco cards don't support scanning. Specifically, teh siver ones don't |
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| 10:05.55 | wdamn | Hi, how can I substitute a word with another in a file without opening it? |
| 10:06.10 | ma3x | can I make a package just with the .tar.gz of the file? |
| 10:06.13 | blondie | wdamn: sed? |
| 10:07.25 | wdamn | blondie: ok, but I have to put the output in another file |
| 10:07.35 | blondie | wdamn: do you? |
| 10:08.12 | wdamn | something like: sed '10s/foo/bar/' foobar.txt > foobar.txt |
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| 10:08.37 | blondie | wdamn: sed -i |
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| 10:09.40 | wdamn | blondie: right :) |
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| 10:11.13 | Administrator | my debian box gets killed after invoking perl -e fork while fork |
| 10:11.25 | Administrator | how can I protect from such atacks? |
| 10:11.40 | blondie | lol |
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| 10:11.54 | Administrator | dude on openbsd it doesn't have any effect |
| 10:12.13 | blondie | CPU usage quotas |
| 10:12.47 | Administrator | why isn't this default protected like in openbsd? |
| 10:12.47 | Administrator | or like in suse? |
| 10:12.58 | Eulex | blondie, no, process amount quotas |
| 10:13.18 | Eulex | Administrator, take a look in /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 10:13.36 | Myon | basically you can't |
| 10:13.42 | blondie | Eulex: right |
| 10:13.44 | Myon | though some ulimits might help |
| 10:13.48 | Administrator | Eulex, yes, so is there a sane guide on this? |
| 10:14.14 | Eulex | Administrator, take a look in that file |
| 10:14.17 | Administrator | Why isn't there protection by default for this |
| 10:14.23 | Administrator | Eulex, yes i just cat the file |
| 10:14.37 | Administrator | Eulex, are those examples sane defaults? |
| 10:14.50 | Eulex | Administrator, it has instructions in it. and the examples are just examples. |
| 10:15.22 | Administrator | Eulex, it explains what foo means, but it doesn't sanly explain 'how to protect' |
| 10:16.13 | Eulex | Administrator, 'protect' can mean anything. what you want to do is limit the maximum number of processes a user can run at the same time. |
| 10:16.55 | Administrator | Eulex, so what would be a sane nproc for a pII 400 mhz ? |
| 10:17.43 | Eulex | Administrator, sorry, I don't know. |
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| 10:19.02 | Administrator | debian should have protection from this by default like other sane linux distributions |
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| 10:20.43 | Eulex | Administrator, my guess to why there isn't a 'sane default' is because: what is a sane default? debian runs on almost anything. a sane default would have to work well on almost anything. |
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| 10:21.11 | Administrator | yes, but there isn't a sane protection, while there is sane atacks. |
| 10:21.23 | liable | Administrator: othe sane distros run on as many arches as debian?? |
| 10:21.39 | liable | how do you now theres not a good reason for not making so? |
| 10:21.47 | Administrator | liable, so it's a arch thing? |
| 10:21.54 | liable | i have no idea |
| 10:21.55 | Administrator | liable, should that be a big deal? |
| 10:22.33 | liable | just saying, you compare debian to other distro's, when other distros dont cater for anywhere near as much as debian |
| 10:23.13 | liable | not saying that its right or wrong, but there will be a reason why its not set by default |
| 10:23.43 | raidman|Work | wow, 540!! |
| 10:23.45 | raidman|Work | I have to go |
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| 10:23.52 | five0 | go! |
| 10:23.52 | Maulkin | Administrator: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/orchid/weblog/4#comment_3 is some defautls for you |
| 10:23.54 | Eulex | Administrator, instead of discussing it here with people who can just guess why they did like they did, you could file a bug against libpam-modules and ask. |
| 10:24.36 | Myon | btw, that's #340018 |
| 10:24.45 | liable | heh |
| 10:24.55 | Myon | !dbugs 340018 |
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| 10:24.58 | dpkg | #340018:N[libpam-modules] libpam-modules: default ulimit for Debian ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:48:02 UTC |
| 10:25.50 | Eulex | oh, there's already one? :) |
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| 10:25.57 | lancelot25 | hallo everybody |
| 10:26.24 | lancelot25 | i need to change gtk apps fonts....anyone could help me? |
| 10:26.29 | liable | no reply though.. |
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| 10:26.51 | Eulex | :/ |
| 10:27.34 | Eulex | lancelot25, apt-get install gtk-theme-switch, then run either switch or switch2 depending on if you mean gtk1 or gtk2 |
| 10:27.51 | lancelot25 | Eulex....thank you |
| 10:28.14 | lancelot25 | how to know which gtk version i' have? |
| 10:30.17 | Eulex | lancelot25, you probably have gtk2. most apps are gtk2 too. some old may be gtk1. try setting a gtk2 theme and font; if that doesn't affect some applications, they're probably gtk1. |
| 10:30.37 | lancelot25 | thanks Eulex |
| 10:31.28 | Eulex | lancelot25, the apps that aren't affected may use some other toolkit too, though |
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| 10:35.50 | sonasks | quick question - how much bandwodth i mus t have to serve 15000 enetrs per day and 300-350 GB per mont transfer ? |
| 10:35.58 | sonasks | you think 4 Mb will be anough ? |
| 10:36.14 | sonasks | damn typos.. |
| 10:36.42 | sonasks | i think that 4 Mb , both sides should do the trick. |
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| 10:38.25 | mcrea | hi |
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| 10:38.28 | lancelot25 | Eulex...i've some apps not affected... :-( |
| 10:38.40 | Eulex | lancelot25, ok, for example? |
| 10:38.46 | mcrea | how can i mount my other disk partitions (fat32) ?? |
| 10:39.15 | nix | !vfat |
| 10:39.15 | dpkg | from memory, vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw", or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it. |
| 10:39.28 | lancelot25 | gtkse....gpgp....xmms (the file checker) |
| 10:39.32 | lancelot25 | gtksee |
| 10:39.34 | nix | !tell mcrea about vfatrw |
| 10:39.35 | lancelot25 | sorry |
| 10:39.36 | lancelot25 | :-) |
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| 10:40.25 | Eulex | lancelot25, those are gtk1 apps, use switch to set their theme and font |
| 10:40.51 | lancelot25 | i tryed Eulex |
| 10:40.57 | lancelot25 | but with no success |
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| 10:41.12 | tarzeau | who runs esd daemon? |
| 10:41.19 | tarzeau | applications start it? |
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| 10:41.44 | Eulex | lancelot25, hmm, sorry, dunno then :/ |
| 10:41.46 | nimak | i cant install certs in firefox |
| 10:42.25 | nimak | im trying to install a client cert from CACert, but it doesnt show up in the list |
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| 10:44.42 | knt | Can somebody help me to fix that "VFS:Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" error. I've compiled reiserfs (Yep, I'm using reiser), cramfs, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE options and configured same kernel parameters as default debian kernel's params, but it still complains. any ideas? |
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| 10:45.07 | yxa | how do i use svn to revert a file to a previous revision? |
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| 10:46.32 | knt | yxa: it should be "up -r<revision>" |
| 10:47.15 | Administrator | Maulkin, thank you for the example, but i would like to inform you that those defaults work for simple atacks, like perl -e fork while fork, however http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb (see c code) that will still increase load! i have it : load average: 48.66, 19.13, 7.13 |
| 10:47.38 | jnjb | hello |
| 10:47.44 | Administrator | Maulkin, and that c program(which can be found on wikipedia) isn't even running 1 minute. |
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| 10:47.54 | jnjb | someone had an ibm x24 |
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| 10:48.01 | Administrator | Maulkin, load average: 52.54, 24.28, 9.44 now! |
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| 10:50.06 | Etchmen | hello all |
| 10:50.30 | Etchmen | moin |
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| 10:50.51 | Maulkin | Administrator: I'd guess you should try changing teh limits then |
| 10:50.54 | Eclipser | Administrator, you voluntarily ran a fork bomb on your box? |
| 10:51.07 | Administrator | Eclipser, it's just a developing box |
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| 10:51.13 | Maulkin | Administrator: Also, boxes can still be responsive with > 300 load. |
| 10:51.16 | Administrator | Eclipser, p II 400 mhz so no big deal. |
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| 10:51.54 | Administrator | yeah, could be, but would that be sane? |
| 10:52.06 | Maulkin | Also, it seems that NO linux distribution set default ulimits |
| 10:52.18 | Maulkin | (or that was teh case a year ago) |
| 10:52.22 | Administrator | i had openbsd running this box to, let me tell you about the experience it's great, however the software collection sucks and it slows down my developing |
| 10:53.01 | Maulkin | Administrator: Well, you could help with teh Debian BSD port |
| 10:53.02 | Administrator | Maulkin, I run suse on a PII 400 mhz at school it's runs great after fork bomb atacks. |
| 10:53.14 | Maulkin | Administrator: http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308?ref=rssdebia |
| 10:53.49 | Maulkin | Administrator: Prehpas take the limits from there and use them then? |
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| 10:55.27 | Administrator | Maulkin, no school for a month or so. But i find it quite interesting the way bsd handles such things and linux handles such things, must be a robust code vs ugly hacks. |
| 10:58.03 | ktwilight | are there any rootkit checks that debian supports? i know chkrootkit and rkhunter, but there isn't a rep for rkhunter. |
| 10:58.10 | ktwilight | would chkrootkit be sufficient? |
| 10:58.23 | Maulkin | ktwilight: rkhunter works fine for me... |
| 10:58.38 | Maulkin | Administrator: As I said, you could help with teh Debian BSD port |
| 10:58.47 | Administrator | i'll check it out |
| 10:59.04 | Administrator | Maulkin, is there a irc channel for that project? |
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| 10:59.52 | ktwilight | Maulkin, i know it does. but that would mean i have to install from source. is that right? |
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| 11:00.49 | Maulkin | ktwilight: no... |
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| 11:00.59 | ktwilight | ... |
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| 11:01.04 | cusco | hello folks |
| 11:01.13 | Maulkin | ktwilight: Apt-get install rkhunter |
| 11:01.24 | ktwilight | sarge doesn't have rkhunter |
| 11:01.50 | cnwilley | Hi everyone, I have a query. Can anyone help? |
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| 11:01.50 | cusco | could someone point me in the right direction? I have a old computer with a on-board sound card |
| 11:01.50 | Maulkin | Ahh, on sarge, you may need a backport |
| 11:01.50 | cusco | lspci shoes: |
| 11:01.50 | cusco | 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1969 Solo-1 Audiodrive (rev 02) |
| 11:01.51 | ktwilight | aha... |
| 11:01.51 | ktwilight | thanks Maulkin :) |
| 11:01.51 | cusco | alsaconf doesn't detect it |
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| 11:01.53 | Maulkin | cnwilley: State your question |
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| 11:02.06 | liable | cusco: what kernel are you running? |
| 11:02.22 | cusco | liable: 2.4 |
| 11:02.29 | cnwilley | maulkin: I'm trying to mark packets using Iptables. I want to check whether packets are getting marked. How do I do that? |
| 11:02.55 | liable | cusco: well, i dunno if that cards even supported, but alsa isnt in 2.4, either get the alsa modules or a 2.6 kernel |
| 11:03.57 | cnwilley | maulkin: I read that linux kernel do not forward packet marks with the packet. The mark set with iptables are local. |
| 11:04.34 | DerJamster | Well..yeah. Marks are not part of the protocol. |
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| 11:04.56 | DerJamster | they are local to the machine |
| 11:05.17 | cnwilley | So if I've to check packet marks can only be checked on the localhost. |
| 11:05.52 | cnwilley | So is there any way using I can send some mark over the network? |
| 11:06.09 | DerJamster | don't think so. |
| 11:06.23 | sonasks | any of you guys know a good way to calculate what kind of broadband do i need for certain traffic ?? |
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| 11:06.41 | glut | cnwilley: dscp or dsmark is what you're looking for |
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| 11:06.52 | Maulkin | cnwilley: Not without mangling the tcp headers, no. |
| 11:06.59 | ktwilight | sonasks, webhostingtalk.com have some threads on it |
| 11:07.35 | cnwilley | What tool can I use to check the marks of the packet? Ethereal? Any pointer? |
| 11:08.47 | cydork | cnwilley: marks of the packet?? |
| 11:09.01 | sonasks | like for example, let`s say 15000 enters per day, 200 kb middle enter size |
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| 11:09.43 | cnwilley | yes cydork, one can set marks using iptables, mangle table rules. |
| 11:10.26 | ktwilight | hmm...shouldn't global notices be...notices? |
| 11:12.22 | aedwards232 | I am writing a script and I will have to pass over 2000 arguments to a command, is there any issue in doing this? the command by the way is nmap |
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| 11:16.41 | cusco | liable: how do I get the alsa modules? |
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| 11:17.57 | DerJamster | aedwards232: ...over 2000 arguments? why? |
| 11:18.03 | DerJamster | I mean..jeez :P |
| 11:19.14 | aedwards232 | I need to pass a DB full of ip addresses to nmap for a bulk highspeed scan |
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| 11:19.36 | DerJamster | aedwards232: save them in a .txt file. nmap has a -param so you can read straight from one of those |
| 11:19.40 | aedwards232 | and I don't wanna make a file |
| 11:19.55 | Flash_ | *cough*awkward*cough* |
| 11:20.10 | aedwards232 | because I might have multiple instances of this thing going at one time |
| 11:20.12 | DerJamster | Well..tough taco. I have no idea what the max argument number is in, say, bash. Or nmap. |
| 11:20.23 | aedwards232 | lol |
| 11:20.38 | aedwards232 | guess I'll be figuring out the hard way :) |
| 11:20.39 | DerJamster | Also...the ip addresses should be in the same subnet, or a small number of subnets, right? |
| 11:20.48 | DerJamster | Else I'd be really..surprised. |
| 11:20.56 | aedwards232 | not nessesarily |
| 11:21.16 | DerJamster | Sure, if you want to scan across the internet, yeah. :P |
| 11:21.22 | aedwards232 | the first octet has a good chance of being the same :) |
| 11:21.33 | aedwards232 | that is part of the idea |
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| 11:21.53 | DerJamster | Should I ask why? |
| 11:22.11 | aedwards232 | meecrob.us/cgi-bin/random.pl |
| 11:22.13 | Flash_ | write a script to get a chunk of data, create a unique textfile with the data, pass that textfile to nmap |
| 11:22.19 | aedwards232 | that should be self explanitory |
| 11:22.51 | DerJamster | aedwards232: heh :) Going to random webservers? |
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| 11:22.58 | aedwards232 | yeah, I was just wondering what the max number of args would be |
| 11:23.00 | aedwards232 | yeah |
| 11:23.02 | aedwards232 | :) |
| 11:23.14 | DerJamster | aedwards232: why not just get a random IP, scan, if open add it to the DB and go to it? |
| 11:23.24 | DerJamster | then if the number comes up later again and is in the DB, just connect. |
| 11:23.38 | cyzie | how can we determine if the cpu is single/dual core from OS command line ? |
| 11:23.43 | DerJamster | cyzie: top |
| 11:23.45 | aedwards232 | well the idea is for it to scan on ip ranges that are used by indeviduals |
| 11:23.49 | DerJamster | or cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:23.49 | Flash_ | Yes, and script could check itself for port 80 on a random ip |
| 11:23.59 | Flash_ | just keep looping until it finds one |
| 11:24.08 | DerJamster | ah, private sites. hmhm. |
| 11:24.18 | Flash_ | would that be against an aup? |
| 11:24.21 | DerJamster | You could add a small db with private subnets. |
| 11:24.28 | aedwards232 | well, thats not the problem, I run into this issue in the maintain section of the app |
| 11:24.38 | DerJamster | The script can then just randomly scan one of those. if open, add it to db2. |
| 11:24.44 | DerJamster | else do another scan |
| 11:24.50 | Flash_ | or... generate random word and query google with "I feel lucky". :) |
| 11:24.51 | aedwards232 | aup? |
| 11:24.52 | DerJamster | repeat until open private server is found, connect. |
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| 11:25.05 | cyzie | DerJamster, /proc/cpuinfo show processor 0 and processor 1. how do i know that if this is single cpu dual core OR dual physical processor ? |
| 11:25.15 | cyzie | DerJamster, top does not help in this scenario |
| 11:25.22 | aedwards232 | lol |
| 11:25.24 | Flash_ | acceptable use policy from your isp. Not sure if it would or not, probably be ok - but scanning a lot of ports on a lot of ip's might get you in trouble |
| 11:25.34 | DerJamster | cyzie: well, dual core is pretty much physical ;P hyperthreading isn't. What does the model say? |
| 11:25.35 | delire | cyzie: a funny problem. |
| 11:25.54 | cyzie | delire, what so funny??!!! |
| 11:26.01 | BlueBeret | hi, my xdm doesn't start well and the log says that the modules 'mouse' and 'evdev' are not present. however, I have them both loaded (lsmod), so what is wrong? |
| 11:26.01 | DerJamster | !??!??!1one |
| 11:26.04 | aedwards232 | well, I'm not too woried about that due to the nature of what I'm doing |
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| 11:26.20 | aedwards232 | and I'm doing it in a nice way |
| 11:26.24 | cyzie | DerJamster, model 4 |
| 11:26.34 | Flash_ | k, not my job to query - just wondering out loud :) |
| 11:26.37 | DerJamster | cyzie: Pentium 4? |
| 11:27.08 | cyzie | DerJamster, yes, intel pentium 4 CPU 2.80GHz |
| 11:27.20 | DerJamster | Would be a hyperthreading CPU then |
| 11:27.27 | DerJamster | dual cores start at 3Ghz I think |
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| 11:27.48 | DerJamster | And AFAIK only Xeons come in dual-board configs |
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| 11:27.57 | DerJamster | So it's one processor that can act as two. |
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| 11:28.21 | DerJamster | Pretty much can work on two threads of the same process (not of different processes as far as I know) |
| 11:29.05 | cyzie | DerJamster, so u mean this proc is hyperthreading rather than dual core? |
| 11:29.11 | DerJamster | cyzie: yeah |
| 11:29.15 | DerJamster | Bought one off ebay? ;) |
| 11:29.34 | cyzie | DerJamster, nope. from dell |
| 11:29.39 | cnwilley | DerJamster: I think Intel has 2.80GHz Pentium $ Dual Core Processor |
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| 11:29.50 | DerJamster | cyzie: ahh..wait a second |
| 11:30.01 | cyzie | DerJamster, cnwilley how can we tell based on the OS Level command line ? |
| 11:30.08 | DerJamster | cyzie: optiplex? |
| 11:30.14 | cyzie | DerJamster, brb, in optraz |
| 11:30.19 | delire | cyzie: perhaps the cpuid program will give you some meangingful information. |
| 11:30.41 | DerJamster | cyzie: btw..just visit the dell site? :) |
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| 11:31.50 | optraz | DerJamster, back |
| 11:32.08 | DerJamster | optraz: is it an optiplex? |
| 11:32.14 | optraz | mmmmm |
| 11:32.15 | optraz | wait.. |
| 11:32.29 | optraz | i dont think it is a optiplex |
| 11:32.32 | optraz | it is a server |
| 11:32.33 | optraz | a small server |
| 11:32.41 | DerJamster | Well, it's written on the case somewhere I guess. |
| 11:32.52 | cusco | liable: how can I add the modules to it, not using kernel 2.6 ? |
| 11:32.57 | optraz | DerJamster, the server is siting remotely. ;) |
| 11:33.32 | optraz | DerJamster, if i give u the cpu family and model |
| 11:33.34 | optraz | can u determine out ? |
| 11:34.20 | DerJamster | optraz: I don't have a Dell (anymore) |
| 11:34.46 | DerJamster | I had one, which was a P4 2.8Ghz. And that was a hyperthreaded one. |
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| 11:36.21 | DerJamster | optraz: by the way.. |
| 11:36.29 | DerJamster | cpuinfo should show 'cpu cores:' somewhere |
| 11:37.25 | optraz | DerJamster, the box does not have cpuinfo |
| 11:37.32 | optraz | it has only x86info |
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| 11:37.48 | DerJamster | /proc/cpuinfo does not exist? |
| 11:38.02 | liable | cusco: apt-cache search alsa-modules |
| 11:38.09 | optraz | yes, there is /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:38.14 | DerJamster | well, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:39.02 | DerJamster | Does it say 'Cpu cores:' somewhere? |
| 11:39.07 | DerJamster | and does it show 2 processors? |
| 11:39.10 | optraz | DerJamster, $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i core |
| 11:39.10 | optraz | -bash-3.00$ |
| 11:39.26 | DerJamster | put the output of cat /proc/cpuinfo on some nopaste site |
| 11:39.30 | DerJamster | will make this easier |
| 11:39.32 | optraz | cat /proc/cpuinfo show processor 0 and processor 1 |
| 11:39.32 | yang | is there adaptec driver aic7xxx available for debian as a package or? |
| 11:39.42 | optraz | DerJamster, can i paste you in private? |
| 11:40.07 | DerJamster | sure |
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| 11:41.25 | optraz | DerJamster, what does that tell you ? |
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| 11:43.51 | DerJamster | hrm. Can't say for sure. either HT or Dualcore :P No dual-board, and with the 'cire id' line missing, I'd wager it's hyperthreading. |
| 11:44.02 | DerJamster | paste the info onto a nopaste site and share the link here. Pehaps somebody else knows for sure |
| 11:44.21 | optraz | heheh...only you reply |
| 11:44.36 | optraz | others quietly resting |
| 11:44.37 | DerJamster | you can also try ##linux :> |
| 11:44.38 | optraz | ;) |
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| 11:49.02 | BlueBeret | what should I do when xdm crashes silently when started? |
| 11:49.29 | liable | purge it :) |
| 11:49.40 | petemc | BlueBeret: find out if it logs, and if so, where to |
| 11:50.00 | BlueBeret | petemc: the log /var/log/Xorg.0.log contains no error |
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| 11:50.16 | liable | but on the serious side, check bts, i dunno if xdm has its own log, i think it does |
| 11:50.27 | cusco | liable: I have a module tho, esssolo1 and modinfo shows the following |
| 11:50.29 | BlueBeret | liable: is that how you act when something stops working? stop using it? |
| 11:50.33 | petemc | BlueBeret: how are you starting it? /etc/init.d/xdm ? |
| 11:50.38 | BlueBeret | petemc: true |
| 11:50.43 | cusco | filename: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/esssolo1.o |
| 11:50.43 | cusco | description: "ESS Solo1 Driver" |
| 11:50.43 | cusco | author: "Thomas M. Sailer, sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch, hb9jnx@hb9w.che.eu" |
| 11:50.43 | cusco | license: "GPL" |
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| 11:50.51 | cusco | oops :| |
| 11:51.04 | petemc | BlueBeret: check that script, does it use correct paths to binary etc |
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| 11:51.36 | liable | BlueBeret: dude, get a sense of humour.. |
| 11:51.46 | liable | and see my second comment... |
| 11:52.33 | BlueBeret | liable: i stat'd to see the xdm.log hasn't changed since yesterday. |
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| 11:52.45 | liable | cusco: thats an oss driver. so, if thats the module for your card, just use oss if it isnt supported by alsa |
| 11:52.55 | liable | BlueBeret: so check bts |
| 11:53.07 | BlueBeret | liable: bts? |
| 11:53.28 | liable | BlueBeret: and you *didn't* state that it made no log in xdm.log |
| 11:53.36 | BlueBeret | liable: sounds like bug tracking system] |
| 11:53.41 | liable | yes |
| 11:54.21 | cusco | hmm |
| 11:54.34 | BlueBeret | liable: i'm telling you, the last records in xdm.log are from yesterday |
| 11:54.46 | petemc | BlueBeret: did you do what i suggested |
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| 11:55.21 | petemc | or would you prefer to stay here and pontificate |
| 11:55.21 | BlueBeret | petemc: that bts? |
| 11:55.25 | petemc | no.. |
| 11:55.55 | BlueBeret | sorry, i'm losing my ability to distinguish nicks |
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| 11:58.28 | BlueBeret | petemc: liable: i found nothing special arount /etc/init.d/xdm. then tried to startx and saw the illogical "missing module" messages again. |
| 11:58.53 | liable | does x start or not? |
| 11:59.21 | BlueBeret | liable: it tries to |
| 11:59.36 | liable | ok, so its an x problem, not a xdm problem |
| 11:59.44 | liable | BlueBeret: paste the errors |
| 11:59.58 | liable | not here though, to a paster |
| 12:01.14 | BlueBeret | (EE) Failed to load module "evdev" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 12:01.19 | BlueBeret | (EE) Failed to load module "mouse" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 12:01.56 | DerJamster | BlueBeret: what Debian variant? testing? sid? |
| 12:02.01 | liable | got xserver-xorg-input-all ?? |
| 12:02.03 | BlueBeret | DerJamster: testing |
| 12:02.12 | DerJamster | apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-event and -mouse |
| 12:02.16 | DerJamster | or the meta package liable mentioned |
| 12:02.24 | liable | or just 'xorg' |
| 12:02.37 | liable | for mega meta package :) |
| 12:03.00 | BlueBeret | liable: i actually got the xorg package and not the xserver-thingy. thanks, i'll give it a try. |
| 12:03.00 | azeem | testing is still at 6.9 I thought? |
| 12:03.21 | liable | azeem: think it went 7 a week? ago |
| 12:03.21 | BlueBeret | azeem: yes |
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| 12:04.08 | liable | or more |
| 12:04.22 | liable | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 12:04.30 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.22 (etch), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 576 kB |
| 12:04.32 | azeem | [2006-06-16] xorg 1:7.0.22 MIGRATED to testing (Britney) |
| 12:04.40 | BlueBeret | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 12:04.43 | azeem | liable: thanks |
| 12:04.58 | liable | np |
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| 12:07.06 | liable | BlueBeret: the 'xorg' package is the new 'x-window-system' pacjage so to speak |
| 12:07.19 | liable | package* |
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| 12:07.33 | liable | meta |
| 12:08.33 | radone | I have configured iptables based firewall (guarddog). After that I've noticed that it takes 99% of cpu |
| 12:09.19 | radone | and after disabling 99% of cpu is still used |
| 12:09.27 | liable | kill it, it shouldnt |
| 12:09.33 | radone | (disabling of firewall) |
| 12:09.51 | liable | radone: whats top say is using the cpu? |
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| 12:11.19 | radone | liable: top says that klog is taking 99% of cpu |
| 12:11.31 | BlueBeret | now I got it so that there is no error or warning in the X log file, but startx still ends with Connection reset by peer. where to look now? |
| 12:11.46 | liable | radone: eww, /etc/init.d/klogd restart |
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| 12:12.53 | radone | liable: thanks, it helped |
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| 12:15.51 | liable | BlueBeret: /j #flood and paste the errors |
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| 12:16.48 | BlueBeret | liable: there's nothing more than the one I pasted at 12:04 UTC |
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| 12:18.41 | golly | is there anyway to unmount /root and /home without a liveCD? |
| 12:18.42 | BlueBeret | liable: you can scroll up to see it |
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| 12:18.58 | liable | BlueBeret: yeah, i see it, i dunno what to do about it though :P |
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| 12:19.31 | BlueBeret | liable: lol |
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| 12:20.12 | Akbar | has anyone ever got the mic input got to work with a sblive 5.1? |
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| 12:20.51 | golly | is there anyway to unmount /root and /home without a liveCD? |
| 12:21.23 | Akbar | yeah sure |
| 12:21.33 | Akbar | umount /home |
| 12:21.36 | BlueBeret | is it alright that the Xorg.0.log ends with a line like '(II) Initializing extension GLX'? |
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| 12:23.58 | BlueBeret | the last thing I can hook onto is that there are 3 agp-related messages in syslog that repeat 4 exactly times |
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| 12:24.28 | BlueBeret | 4 times is the actual count of the attemts X makes to initialize, i think |
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| 12:24.59 | yang | I keep getting 99% CPU hog with my Xorg, X freeze, I have geforce 4 nvidia card, using "nv" driver in xorg.conf |
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| 12:29.29 | ma3x | hey freenode got hacked |
| 12:29.34 | liable | yang: restart x |
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| 12:29.43 | liable | ma3x: you missed the fun? |
| 12:29.46 | yang | liable: well i am restarting every 3 days |
| 12:29.49 | ma3x | liable, I did. what happened? |
| 12:29.55 | yang | liable: this doesnt solve my problem |
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| 12:30.46 | sep | yang, i had that on a new MB after i bios flashed it for some other reason it mysteriously went away. have no clue to what coused it or if it's the same thing |
| 12:30.53 | liable | yang: i know, i cant think of anything to really diagnose, i was having this problem with xfce4/firefox myself, i thought it was firefox, but now i am pretty sure it was xfce |
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| 12:31.25 | liable | ma3x: not much, ops got kicked, then the network shut down |
| 12:31.42 | ma3x | liable, and the password were hijacked? |
| 12:31.47 | yang | liable: well, that is true my mozilla crqashed like 5 min. ago and then X had frozen... |
| 12:32.04 | Akbar | I wonder why etch is this heavy ;/ |
| 12:32.06 | liable | ma3x: as far as hat goes, who knows but the freenode staff.. |
| 12:32.13 | azeem | ma3x: nickserv got hijacked, so password transmitted during that time are likely compromised |
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| 12:32.52 | ma3x | alright |
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| 12:33.55 | worstenboy | hi, i want to remove exim from my system so i do "apt-get remove --purge exim4 exim4-base exim4-config" but it wants to remove at* courier-imap* courier-imap-ssl* courier-pop* courier-pop-ssl* cron-apt* exim4* exim4-base* exim4-config* exim4-daemon-heavy* mailx* mutt* mysql-server-4.1* subversion-tools* |
| 12:34.12 | worstenboy | how can I avoid courier and mysql-server being removexc |
| 12:34.15 | worstenboy | *removed |
| 12:34.25 | worstenboy | i just want exim out and install postfix :s |
| 12:34.33 | yang | worstenboy: dpkg --remove exim* |
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| 12:34.47 | formorer | apt-get install postfix |
| 12:34.51 | Myon | worstenboy: you need an MTA installed |
| 12:34.54 | formorer | this will remove exim |
| 12:35.01 | Myon | like ssmtp, postfix, whatever |
| 12:35.22 | worstenboy | ow, so first install postfix then do what Myon sais ? |
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| 12:36.06 | Myon | well, I said the same |
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| 12:36.29 | worstenboy | ow like yang said sorry :p |
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| 12:36.45 | hnaz_work | moin |
| 12:36.54 | Eulex | moien |
| 12:37.07 | hnaz_work | hm, yeah. having no fonts under X. could anyone help me with that? |
| 12:37.18 | hnaz_work | i start fluxbox and the menus are empty. the toolbar too |
| 12:37.21 | Myon | worstenboy: installing another MTA will remove the first one (exim* that is) |
| 12:37.23 | hnaz_work | no fonts are rendered |
| 12:37.28 | worstenboy | ow |
| 12:37.29 | worstenboy | ok |
| 12:37.34 | hnaz_work | i never had problems with it at home |
| 12:37.39 | worstenboy | thank you |
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| 12:38.27 | itchi | hnaz_work: And after running 'update-menus' as root user ? |
| 12:39.07 | itchi | hnaz_work: In that fluxbox session, not outside of it |
| 12:39.09 | pir | can some one help me with the kde menu bar? |
| 12:39.43 | pir | "update-menu" too :p |
| 12:39.48 | pir | ? |
| 12:39.58 | jlaw | hey there, i have a problem setting up alsa on etch. when i apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils, all folders and files are created but i lack the aliases for console so i can't execute alsa-conf. so i purged alsa-base and alsa-utils, edited my apt/sources.list to unstable and did apt-get install alsa-base and alsa-utils. now i can execute alsa-conf from console and it detects my sound device but creates an error when calling amixer. pastebin fol |
| 12:40.20 | itchi | pir: Try it, it does not somethings bad ;-) |
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| 12:40.26 | jlaw | pastebin has hung up -.- ... i put on my server |
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| 12:40.49 | RvGaTe | itchi, due some driver problems, i forced to switch to sid, sarge and testing were a good experience, but i was unable to run counterstrike source with the correct video drivers... if that works, i might go and switch this year already :) |
| 12:40.51 | pir | # update-menus |
| 12:40.51 | pir | zsh: command not found: update-menus |
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| 12:41.11 | DerJamster | RvGaTe: ati card? ;) |
| 12:41.15 | RvGaTe | nvidia |
| 12:41.19 | DerJamster | pir: apt-get install menu |
| 12:41.25 | hnaz_work | itchi: the menus are not empty like that. there are entries; some even have icons. but no text! |
| 12:42.12 | itchi | hnaz_work: That look's another thing |
| 12:43.00 | hnaz_work | hm btw, does anyone know where xorgconfig has gone? |
| 12:43.05 | hnaz_work | can't find it anywhere |
| 12:43.08 | alindeman | aw |
| 12:43.11 | alindeman | Oops |
| 12:43.27 | Eulex | !drxx hnaz_work |
| 12:43.27 | dpkg | hnaz_work: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:43.37 | Eulex | hnaz_work, you shouldn't use xorgconfig |
| 12:44.13 | hnaz_work | yeah i like those kind of answers... 'trust me it sucks, no matter if you were happy for 3 years using it' |
| 12:44.23 | hnaz_work | !xmd5 |
| 12:44.23 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 12:45.27 | hnaz_work | Eulex: but thanks anyway |
| 12:46.21 | jlaw | here it is http://donjesus.dyndns.org/apache2-default/alsa_prob.txt |
| 12:46.23 | Akbar | that would be /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:46.39 | hnaz_work | Akbar: yes |
| 12:46.54 | hnaz_work | hm updated md5sums but it still complains |
| 12:47.09 | Akbar | what error message? |
| 12:47.24 | hnaz_work | not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been modified |
| 12:47.30 | hnaz_work | and the old xorg.conf is kept |
| 12:47.42 | Akbar | because you modified it by hand |
| 12:47.43 | pir | # update-menus |
| 12:47.43 | pir | zsh: command not found: update-menus |
| 12:47.49 | Akbar | I think |
| 12:47.50 | pir | oups |
| 12:48.03 | hnaz_work | Akbar: i did not. |
| 12:48.10 | Akbar | oh alright |
| 12:48.22 | hnaz_work | it's a binary file |
| 12:48.26 | hnaz_work | how would i modify it |
| 12:48.34 | hnaz_work | i mean, sure it would work. but why should i? |
| 12:48.38 | jlaw | nobody an idea? |
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| 12:49.27 | pir | for kde menu is it better to use kmenuedit to add the file access I need or to execute update-menu? |
| 12:50.09 | hnaz_work | fsck this crap, i updated md5sums it complained again |
| 12:50.55 | Akbar | and if you do a dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 12:51.00 | hnaz_work | the md5sums are even the same |
| 12:51.07 | hnaz_work | yeah i did. but it won't write any files |
| 12:51.32 | itchi | pir: What mean you exactly with 'the kde menu bar' ? |
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| 12:51.44 | Akbar | apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86 :P |
| 12:51.58 | hnaz_work | xfree86?! |
| 12:52.04 | Akbar | apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg :P |
| 12:52.09 | pir | itchi: kde menu with all the application shorcuts |
| 12:52.18 | Eulex | hnaz_work, well, the problem is not that it sucks, the problem is that it's not integrated with the package configuration system in debian. |
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| 12:52.41 | Akbar | I would just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand |
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| 12:52.51 | Akbar | but whatever. |
| 12:52.51 | Longkong | hi... |
| 12:52.57 | hnaz_work | Eulex: yeah but the package system doesn't seem to work here |
| 12:53.00 | hnaz_work | and xorgconfig did |
| 12:53.01 | Longkong | I have a problem with postfix and mailman, postfix rejects all mails to a mailman list... |
| 12:53.08 | hnaz_work | Akbar: write from scratch? this is no fun |
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| 12:53.18 | Longkong | postfix/smtpd[25630]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from router.kbw.ch[62.2.169.162]: 550 <test@list.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table; from=<me@me.com> to=<test@list.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<kbw.ch> |
| 12:53.22 | itchi | pir: Have you try to execute update-menus as root user ? |
| 12:53.23 | Akbar | you don't have a xorg.conf? |
| 12:53.24 | Akbar | lol |
| 12:53.28 | hnaz_work | no |
| 12:53.36 | Akbar | no backup or anything? |
| 12:53.37 | Akbar | :P |
| 12:53.42 | hnaz_work | this is a new install |
| 12:53.43 | hnaz_work | dude.. |
| 12:53.59 | Akbar | strange |
| 12:54.10 | Akbar | sarge,etch or sid? |
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| 12:56.39 | JoelR | Anyone have used rdiff-backup? |
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| 12:56.50 | hnaz_work | Akbar: unstable |
| 12:57.01 | hnaz_work | Akbar: the first time it installed an empty xorg.conf |
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| 12:57.22 | pir | itchi : not yet i am trying the editor for the kde menu |
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| 12:59.33 | Akbar | hnaz_work, you want mine? |
| 12:59.53 | Akbar | I think the package has a bug in unstable or something |
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| 13:01.11 | flagar | may I ask a question about packaging? |
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| 13:01.49 | hnaz_work | Akbar: yeah it has |
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| 13:02.03 | hnaz_work | Akbar: it asks the same questions when configuring xserver-xorg at least 4 times |
| 13:02.08 | hnaz_work | but now i have a xorg.conf |
| 13:02.14 | Akbar | alright |
| 13:02.16 | hnaz_work | removed and installed the package several times |
| 13:02.36 | Akbar | weird.. but solved? |
| 13:03.18 | itchi | Akbar: I have got the same trouble here in Etch :-/ |
| 13:03.18 | pir | itchi : have you an idea of the extension for the icone of the applications like .ico for windows |
| 13:03.29 | nkuttler | !tell flagar about ask |
| 13:03.38 | flagar | thank you nkuttler |
| 13:03.54 | Akbar | itchi I'm also on etch mine did not give any problems.. |
| 13:04.02 | itchi | pir: Mean you pixmap ? |
| 13:04.10 | flagar | I'm trying to get a clean debian package to build with dpkg-buildpackage for my pygtk application |
| 13:04.16 | hnaz_work | damn, still no fonts in fluxbox |
| 13:04.20 | pir | itchi : yes |
| 13:04.27 | itchi | pir: Im i big war with M$, so i not know about it :-/ |
| 13:04.58 | flagar | until now I just used dpkg -b without using lintian, source packages, .changes, .dsc files and so on |
| 13:05.12 | itchi | pir: Look there /usr/share/icons , is that you want ? |
| 13:05.26 | pir | itchi : i am too i try to get rid of it ... little by little |
| 13:05.50 | itchi | pir: You're on the good way, the best one ;-) |
| 13:05.55 | flagar | where should I put my python scripts? Inside the debian directory or the DEBIAN one? |
| 13:06.44 | itchi | flagar: In you're /home/USERNAME/bin ? |
| 13:06.59 | pir | itchi: png picture ... so good to see this extension some times :p thanks |
| 13:07.07 | flagar | no, to build a .deb package |
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| 13:07.25 | itchi | pir: Better quality than the ... ico ;-) |
| 13:07.39 | flagar | I am a bit confused about the build tree for a .deb package |
| 13:07.58 | nkuttler | flagar: try apt-cache show maint-guide |
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| 13:08.18 | hnaz_work | hell yeah, at least twm works |
| 13:08.47 | itchi | flagar: There is an doc, with some info's about howto packaging, or somethigs similar |
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| 13:09.02 | flagar | itchi: I've read it |
| 13:09.11 | itchi | flagar: ok ;-) |
| 13:09.50 | flagar | itchi: do you know if I should write the path of the files somewhere in the .deb tree? |
| 13:09.56 | hnaz_work | hmm |
| 13:10.02 | flagar | e.g. in debian/files? |
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| 13:10.31 | hnaz_work | this is so weird |
| 13:10.36 | hnaz_work | i think i'm just missing some fonts |
| 13:10.46 | hnaz_work | in windowmaker it shows _some_ |
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| 13:10.48 | itchi | flagar: I not know :-/ |
| 13:10.50 | hnaz_work | menus work |
| 13:10.51 | ceztko | hi! |
| 13:10.53 | zimnyx | How can i make my laptop works longer on battery ? i've enabled dynamic CPU freq scaling, can i do something more? |
| 13:10.54 | hnaz_work | but not all window contents |
| 13:11.04 | hnaz_work | buttons won't work too |
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| 13:11.27 | liable | ooh, down to the 500's.. |
| 13:11.33 | ceztko | ALL: what's the correct way of calculating an md5sum hash of multiple files (or of a directory)? I can't use tar. |
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| 13:11.56 | itchi | hnaz_work: 'xfonts-base' been installed ? |
| 13:12.43 | yang | zimnyx: look up at some apci software |
| 13:12.45 | pir | need help for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:14.08 | itchi | pir: Tell |
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| 13:14.39 | itchi | pir: Look to '/msg dpkg ask' |
| 13:14.47 | pir | itchi : what does it mean Pour ceux qui disposent de matériel avec plusieurs sorties graphiques ? |
| 13:14.47 | pir | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.47 | pir | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.56 | pir | sorry |
| 13:15.04 | pir | i will try to translate |
| 13:15.15 | itchi | pir: For those who have more than one Crafique card ;-p |
| 13:15.33 | pir | itchi thanls :) |
| 13:15.33 | hnaz_work | itchi: yeah, xfonts-base is installed. also xfonts-100dpi and 75dpi |
| 13:15.34 | itchi | pir: Ore 2 VGA out one one card ;-) |
| 13:15.48 | pir | and for TV output |
| 13:15.48 | hnaz_work | itchi: and -cyrillic, -utils |
| 13:15.50 | zimnyx | yang: i got acpid installed, you mean to configure it to save more power? |
| 13:16.13 | hnaz_work | hmm |
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| 13:17.02 | yang | zimnyx: yes |
| 13:17.40 | itchi | hnaz_work: I not know, but i think that this install all the depencies apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:18.29 | itchi | hnaz_work: In you're xfree86/xorg are there been the right fonts references ? |
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| 13:20.55 | rohan | a recent dist-upgrade in sid is trying to remove linux-headers-2.6-686 .. should i proceed with removal, or do i rather wait for that package to be modified to use the 2.6.17 headers ? |
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| 13:23.02 | jlaw | may someone help me with this alsa problem? http://donjesus.dyndns.org/apache2-default/alsa_prob.txt |
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| 13:27.00 | bronitz_ | how to set the server name in apache2.conf? |
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| 13:27.19 | Akbar | bronitz, /etc/apache2/apache2.conf I think |
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| 13:27.31 | Akbar | with ServerName hereyourservername |
| 13:28.02 | Akbar | with ServerName "hereyourservername" |
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| 13:28.18 | Maulkin | [/channel #debian-xfce |
| 13:28.21 | J|m_ | I've gotten used to chkconfig with Irix and FC. Is there an easy way on Debian to create the links into the rc?.d directories? |
| 13:28.22 | Maulkin | bah. |
| 13:28.29 | liable | J|m_: the nvidia card uses snd-intel module? have you googled the lspci output from that card?? |
| 13:28.49 | bronitz | Akbar: that was done for apache. but apache2 has a different format. debian team has changed a lot of it. |
| 13:29.16 | J|m_ | liable: Huh? |
| 13:29.20 | Akbar | well ServerName "Whatever" works for me |
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| 13:29.31 | J|m_ | What does that have to do with the rc?.d directores? |
| 13:29.35 | liable | J|m_: err, nicktab fuckage, sorry |
| 13:29.41 | J|m_ | OK |
| 13:29.45 | liable | jlaw: the nvidia card uses snd-intel module? have you googled the lspci output from that card?? |
| 13:30.06 | bronitz | Akbar: the apache2.conf file that comes with its installation does not have that line. do u add it in? |
| 13:30.23 | Akbar | I did just added it on the first line |
| 13:30.26 | Eclipser | does etch installation generally grow in size? even with just upgrades? |
| 13:30.29 | Akbar | *add |
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| 13:30.53 | bronitz | Akbar: thks. |
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| 13:30.57 | Eclipser | does etch installation generally grow in size? even with just upgrades? |
| 13:31.01 | Eclipser | whops |
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| 13:31.02 | Eclipser | sorry |
| 13:31.04 | Eclipser | wrong terminal |
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| 13:31.36 | J|m_ | Oops, I hit the wrong button. |
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| 13:32.39 | Zvpun | I get this messages from cron.daily: "mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/bitmap.1x: No such file or directory; mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/atobm.1x.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request". There is no such file bitmap.1x as mandb complains but why does it want that file? atobm.1x.gz is from package xbase-clienst. What should I do? |
| 13:32.42 | J|m_ | So If I hear the silence correctly, I've got to revert to manually adding links to the rc?.d directories? |
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| 13:34.28 | alkalineX | dude |
| 13:34.33 | alkalineX | will you cut that shit out |
| 13:34.58 | liable | jlaw: thats a good way to get +b |
| 13:34.59 | J|m_ | What did I dO? |
| 13:35.04 | blondie | 14:34:16 J|m_ [n=nobody@adsl-065-013-027-167.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] requested CTCP USERINFO from #debian: |
| 13:35.28 | liable | oh, musta been a slip of the keyboard.. |
| 13:35.35 | J|m_ | Sorry, I was trying to figure out how to look at my configuration locally. I'm a bit of a newbie at irc. |
| 13:35.53 | blondie | at least you're using proper words :) |
| 13:36.09 | J|m_ | This kvirc is a little confusing and the help button can't find an index. |
| 13:36.22 | J|m_ | So I'm flying a bit blind. |
| 13:38.36 | J|m_ | I guess I'll go elsewhere since I can't find help here. Any suggestions as to elsewhere to look? Google didn't come up with anything definitive. |
| 13:39.14 | amc | i have an apache web server and i need an easy to use traffic grapher with gui |
| 13:39.24 | petemc | J|m_: update-rc.d |
| 13:39.37 | itchi | J|m_: Try you're buttons in an #make_fake_chan ?? |
| 13:40.35 | J|m_ | itichi: I don't understand the question, sorry. |
| 13:40.59 | J|m_ | petemc: thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 13:41.17 | petemc | also rcconf |
| 13:41.18 | Coweater | he suggested joining an empty channel and trying things so you won't do anything to a full channel by accident |
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| 13:41.43 | J|m_ | OK, thanks.. I'll stop trying things instead. |
| 13:41.43 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 13:41.51 | itchi | J|m_: I guess that you experiment with you're irc client. Try it out and push on every botton of it. But in an temporally irc channel. Like everyone could make one |
| 13:41.56 | J|m_ | petemc: thanks |
| 13:42.07 | itchi | s/botton/button |
| 13:42.51 | Pupeno | Any ideas how to convert a PDF from color to grayscale ? |
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| 13:45.46 | signuts | what does the last number in a library mean? such as libpcre.so.3 is on my system, yet a program is requestinglibpcre.so.0. I don't really want to symlink cause that's messy |
| 13:46.21 | azeem | signuts: it means the library API |
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| 13:46.37 | azeem | so symlinking would not only be messy, but just breaking things |
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| 14:01.36 | nakeee | how do you make apt-listchanges to send the email to different address? |
| 14:02.10 | bnovc | are there any packages for php to get oracle support? |
| 14:02.16 | bnovc | or do i have to custom compile |
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| 14:02.46 | streuner | nakeee: read man apt-listchanges? |
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| 14:05.49 | nakeee | oh opss I looked at the apt-listbugs man:) |
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| 14:07.23 | knt | I've a problem with Postfix+Amavis+ClamAV+SpamAssassin installation. SA is working pretty well, but I couldn't figure out the problem of Amavis with ClamAV. Amavis doesn't sign virus infected mails. (Here are some configuration details: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RGG5M729.html) |
| 14:07.41 | knt | I'd be very appreciated if somebody can help me to fix the problem. |
| 14:08.42 | azeem | R_engel: please do not use public away |
| 14:08.43 | liable | R_engel: turn that off |
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| 14:15.58 | abrotman | bnovc: if nothing else .. odbc |
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| 14:18.57 | johnsu01 | Seems like something has been up with sshfs / fuse recently. It mounts the remote drive successfully, but then df -h displays 0% used and 7.5T free. I wish, but... |
| 14:19.04 | johnsu01 | (in unstable) |
| 14:20.01 | azeem | johnsu01: probably best to file a bug if none exists |
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| 14:21.25 | johnsu01 | azeem: yeah, I was waiting till I had to reboot for other reasons to verify that it was still messed up, and it is. |
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| 14:21.53 | johnsu01 | also disappointed today after installing 2.6.17 that my SD slot isn't working, even though the sdhci is loaded and detected. |
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| 14:23.38 | Neeesat25 | Hello to all |
| 14:23.43 | Neeesat25 | I am using radeon drivers on my ATI RADEON 9100 IGP card on debian and I have enable tv-out but when entering gnome the screen goes up and down in grey color. Any idea? |
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| 14:24.18 | azeem | johnsu01: did it use to work? |
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| 14:24.38 | Neeesat25 | no first time I am enable TV-out |
| 14:25.11 | Neeesat25 | Sorry azeem I thought you were refering to me |
| 14:25.50 | johnsu01 | azeem: nope, this is the first released kernel with the driver |
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| 14:28.43 | r121 | Ubuntu's installer has become very easy. It's growing more and more like Windows' installer... including the part about it overwriting the MBR without asking you :S |
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| 14:29.45 | Flash_ | difference being, it doesn't hose existing OS's when it does it |
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| 14:30.12 | r121 | true enough |
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| 14:30.49 | r121 | it just annoyed me when I tried to install it alongside my Debian install |
| 14:31.06 | Flash_ | don't know how grub would handle a non-grub/lilo boot manager though. |
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| 14:32.41 | r121 | I already had grub there, and it overwrote it with it's own grub. I modified the menu.lst in the ubuntu /boot so I could boot debian again, but now I have to figure out how to reinstall grub so it looks to my debian partition for it's menu.lst and files |
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| 14:34.03 | Flash_ | Oh, that's not so good. I would've expected it to offer an existing debian boot as a boot option automatically |
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| 14:34.59 | r121 | That's what I thought. It found and added my windows partition, but not debian |
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| 14:35.58 | r121 | mind you I have a bit of an odd setup, debian on the first drive and windows and ubuntu on the second |
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| 14:37.17 | fireba11 | i got a script complaining about DBI.pm missing .. waht do i need to install for that ? |
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| 14:38.16 | azeem | fireba11: packages.debian.org has a search facility for files |
| 14:38.38 | Neeesat25 | Anyone using TV-out with radeon? |
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| 14:43.06 | chacara | i need stop TOR + Privoxy in my LAN, anybody have a good idea? |
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| 14:46.00 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 14:46.02 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 14:48.02 | raf256 | what in the fucks name?! |
| 14:48.07 | raf256 | why the group "video" is gone??? |
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| 14:48.25 | Edwin_Quijada | I having troubel to run X |
| 14:48.26 | raf256 | it was here few days ago. now I find on my system there is no group video. therefore I can't use glx |
| 14:48.30 | Edwin_Quijada | I get this error |
| 14:48.32 | Edwin_Quijada | Fatal server error: |
| 14:48.32 | Edwin_Quijada | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 14:48.45 | Edwin_Quijada | when I try to run |
| 14:48.49 | Edwin_Quijada | Any cluees? |
| 14:49.01 | Eulex | Edwin_Quijada, what version of Xorg and do you happen to use Xgl? |
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| 14:49.24 | Edwin_Quijada | Eulex: Nop! Iam changing from stable to testing |
| 14:49.33 | Edwin_Quijada | I dont use xgl |
| 14:49.38 | raf256 | what the fuck |
| 14:49.43 | raf256 | why suddenly GLX stopped working? |
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| 14:49.57 | Eulex | Edwin_Quijada, apt-cache policy xserver-xorg -- what version is installed? |
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| 14:50.13 | Edwin_Quijada | Eulex: Give a minute to tell u |
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| 14:50.28 | pattern | for some reason certain fonts in openoffice have started printing really small, with lots of space between the letters |
| 14:50.33 | pattern | has anyone run in to this problem? |
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| 14:51.00 | evi|one | Hello. How do I get a list with the installed packages? |
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| 14:51.07 | Eulex | !installed |
| 14:51.08 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 14:51.26 | evi|one | Thanks. |
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| 14:51.40 | Edwin_Quijada | Eulex:xserver-xorg: |
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| 14:51.52 | lord_rob_ | Hi ! I think that the new version of CUPS in sid is not compatible with kde prinitng system. Can anyone confirm this and even better give me a fix for the problem ? |
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| 14:52.30 | Edwin_Quijada | Eulex: |
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| 14:52.58 | Eulex | Edwin_Quijada, yeah, that's enough. |
| 14:53.00 | shaibn | hi :) |
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| 14:55.26 | OmegaZ | Where i could find a fast european mirror to Debian Netinst iso? |
| 14:55.26 | scyrma | the kernel is unable to create the device for my external (firewire) enclosure (here's the log : http://channels.debian.net/paste2/2946 ) since 2.6.16. It's still working with 2.6.15. I haven't found anything on this yet.. |
| 14:56.36 | lord_rob_ | scyrma: have you tried 2.6.17 ? it's in sid since today I think |
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| 14:56.50 | scyrma | lord_rob_, downloading now.. :) |
| 14:56.54 | lord_rob_ | k |
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| 14:57.18 | Eulex | Edwin_Quijada, sorry, I don't think I can help you :/ |
| 14:57.22 | scyrma | I tried the -rc3 one, but it had the same problem :( |
| 14:57.49 | pigor | hello. i have no screensaver activated but after a while the screen of my notebook blanks. is it a acpi issue? |
| 14:57.57 | evi|one | I see there are only "unstable" and "testing" versions of the PHP5 package. Is any of those safe to use on a production server? |
| 14:58.20 | formorer | evi|one: backports.org |
| 14:58.23 | cydork | pigor: yes might be |
| 14:58.24 | pigor | same when i close my laptop |
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| 14:58.52 | pigor | cydork: how can i deactivate this? |
| 14:58.56 | cydork | pigor : Do you have power management settings. |
| 14:59.03 | snd-ca0106 | hi there's an usb dvb-tuner that works with debian ? |
| 14:59.59 | pigor | cydork: under gnome i have deactivated all actions in the power management |
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| 15:00.43 | pigor | cydork: perhaps there is just a config file for the acpi behavior? |
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| 15:01.43 | pigor | \join #ubuntu |
| 15:02.01 | blondie | s#\#/# |
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| 15:02.31 | evi|one | formorer: how does that help me? I searched for "php5", followed a few links and got back to the unstable/testing versions on packages.debian.org |
| 15:02.59 | formorer | evi|one: read the instructions |
| 15:03.09 | formorer | evi|one: there _are_ php5 packages for sarge |
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| 15:03.34 | evi|one | formorer: yes, I know. I was looking for one that's stable. :) |
| 15:04.19 | Eulex | evil_andy, |
| 15:04.22 | Eulex | umh |
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| 15:05.11 | Eulex | evi|one, php5 is not in sarge and will never be. you'll have to get it from a place outside of debian. use the one at backports.org |
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| 15:08.57 | abrotman | php5 .. stable? .. surely you jest |
| 15:09.59 | evi|one | PHP5 should replace PHP4, right? |
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| 15:10.34 | raf256 | Ubuntu - is an African word for "Help, I dont know how to configure my Debian" |
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| 15:11.20 | stew | raf256: stop |
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| 15:11.35 | wizzomafizzo | Never heard that one before |
| 15:11.59 | cydork | raf256: :) |
| 15:12.03 | cydork | raf256: :D |
| 15:12.19 | wizzomafizzo | raf256: =O |
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| 15:15.02 | OmegaZ | Is there any fast european mirrors for debian netinst? |
| 15:15.32 | formorer | ftp.fsn.hu |
| 15:15.46 | raf256 | ftp.de.debian.org ? |
| 15:15.57 | petemc | fast would be relative |
| 15:16.11 | OmegaZ | ty. |
| 15:16.46 | cydork | OmegaZ: Go here http://www.debian.org/mirror/list select few mirrors from europe and then run netselct |
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| 15:17.00 | cydork | OmegaZ: netselect |
| 15:17.04 | petemc | or apt-spy |
| 15:17.05 | wycats | I'm getting the following error when I try to do dpkg removes: "dpkg --remove returned error exit status 1." |
| 15:17.05 | wycats | " |
| 15:17.29 | cydork | OmegaZ: Ya , apt-spy is also a good option |
| 15:18.07 | wycats | There's some problem with lighttpd |
| 15:18.19 | sonasks | hello. i ahve a debia sarge box with mysql 4.1 installe through apt-get, whe i want to start mysql server he throws me out, thah acces is denied for use debian-sys-maint, the user is in the database and have all access, i file debian.cnf i have to put an necrypte password for this user. Im adding this password copied from mysql table - encrypted, but still no luck |
| 15:18.20 | wycats | it seems to be pending, but it's blocking me from removing it or other software |
| 15:18.22 | sonasks | any ideas ? |
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| 15:19.45 | stew | sonasks: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-4.1/README.Debian |
| 15:19.53 | |dennis| | Hiya. I am having the same problem as this person >> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7204&sid=d6ce6f7926ca1cda535dbdae50ca1e66 |
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| 15:20.04 | |dennis| | is this a documented bug? with etch? |
| 15:21.30 | stew | |dennis|: check http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer |
| 15:21.34 | abrotman | |dennis|: hae you checked the BTS? |
| 15:21.55 | abrotman | |dennis|: also .. are you using a daily or beta2? |
| 15:22.19 | |dennis| | abrotman a daily..19th June..i think... |
| 15:22.55 | |dennis| | thanks stew and abrotman..will look into it... |
| 15:23.32 | MatBoy | abrotman, do you ever sleep ? |
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| 15:28.21 | LinuxMan | hi #debian, Any body Installed BlootBot in debian sid? |
| 15:28.32 | RogueDopple | sssh worldcup he he |
| 15:28.37 | Maulkin | LinuxMan: Yes. |
| 15:29.27 | LinuxMan | Maulkin: I want to setup this but I gave this error: ./setup.pl |
| 15:29.28 | LinuxMan | Can't locate src/logger.pl in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./setup.pl line 6. |
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| 15:29.56 | Maulkin | LinuxMan: hmm... looks liek it could be a bug in the package. Just checking |
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| 15:30.37 | Ozux | Ozux: Bug in blootbot? |
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| 15:31.37 | mantang0 | I have a system that has a mixture of stable, testing and unstable packages. I'd like to go 100% testing. Is this just a matter of removing the /etc/apt/preferences file (defines priorities), changing sources.list to only see the testing releases and doing an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:31.43 | petemc | Ozux: you installed the debian blootbot package? |
| 15:31.50 | benj | moo |
| 15:32.02 | Ozux | petemc: No, I download CVS version! |
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| 15:32.30 | petemc | Ozux: well, you'll need to run around and install whatever blootbot depends on too |
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| 15:32.35 | Maulkin | Ozux: Well, I'm not sure then. Try installing the package |
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| 15:32.53 | Maulkin | petemc: That file is part of blootbot. |
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| 15:33.40 | petemc | Maulkin: so, all those perl libs in the blootbot dependancies are redundant? |
| 15:33.46 | Ozux | petemc: Maulkin : Of cource I install every lib it say, but It's CVS! maybe Maulkin say correct and it's cvs every day bug ;-) |
| 15:33.59 | Maulkin | petemc: No. src/logger.pl is part of the blootbot package |
| 15:34.05 | cusco | dudes |
| 15:34.05 | petemc | fair enough |
| 15:34.18 | cusco | Im using kernel 2.4 and a soundcard that alsa couldn't find.. |
| 15:34.21 | Maulkin | Ozux: Try running it from the place where you unpacked it, that should fix it |
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| 15:34.29 | cusco | altho I have the oss driver |
| 15:34.39 | cusco | the sound output volume is very very very low |
| 15:34.47 | Maulkin | Ozux: Or, adjust your include path so it also has the place where you unpacked the source. |
| 15:34.48 | stew | cusco: which oss driver? did you install an alsa modules pacakge? |
| 15:35.32 | cusco | stew: no.. the module im using is /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/esssolo1.o |
| 15:35.41 | snd-ca0106 | hi there's an usb dvb-tuner that works with debian ? |
| 15:35.53 | Maulkin | Ozux: However, if you use the Debian package and it's broken, I can fix it. CAn't really help if you're using the CVS source though. |
| 15:35.59 | formorer | snd-ca0106: many |
| 15:36.00 | cusco | the soundcard I have as shows on lspci is: 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1969 Solo-1 Audiodrive (rev 02) |
| 15:36.07 | HuK0B | how I can truncate some file |
| 15:36.09 | Ozux | Maulkin: 7] Created shared memory (shm) key: [5341213] |
| 15:36.09 | stew | cusco: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 15:36.10 | Ozux | [ 28] !WARN! PERL: DBI connect('blootbot:localhost','bot',...) failed: Access denied for user 'bot'@'localhost' to database 'blootbot' at ./src/dbi.pl line 37 |
| 15:36.10 | Ozux | [ 29] !ERROR! Cannot connect to localhost. |
| 15:36.10 | Ozux | [ 30] !ERROR! Since mysql is not available, shut |
| 15:36.23 | stew | !tell Ozux about paste |
| 15:36.26 | abrotman | MatBoy: don't you? |
| 15:36.31 | HuK0B | I need to resize my filesystem but I have to low it size |
| 15:36.34 | snd-ca0106 | well can list 1-2 cheaper ? |
| 15:36.39 | Maulkin | stew: Beat me to it |
| 15:36.39 | snd-ca0106 | ;) |
| 15:36.48 | stew | !beat Maulkin |
| 15:36.52 | Maulkin | :) |
| 15:36.56 | Ozux | stew: TNX, and so sorry ;-) |
| 15:37.12 | Maulkin | Ozux: Ok... you're still using the CVS source, aren't you? |
| 15:37.14 | HuK0B | anybody here can help me? |
| 15:37.21 | Maulkin | HuK0B: Just ask please. |
| 15:37.47 | MatBoy | abrotman, I was, but I have to set me to it again ! |
| 15:37.55 | HuK0B | I have uml and one image ext2 file system that is 20GB I need to low it to 10GB how I can do that |
| 15:37.55 | cusco | stew: I don't have alsa-modules package.. the fact that im using testing might be related to it |
| 15:38.01 | Ozux | Maulkin: Yes, It's from ./blootbot but I installed deb ... |
| 15:38.01 | cusco | I have a alsa-source tho |
| 15:38.03 | MatBoy | abrotman, my system is mixed up again |
| 15:38.04 | HuK0B | I don't what with copy to another |
| 15:38.05 | abrotman | MatBoy: eh .. ok |
| 15:38.17 | Maulkin | Ozux: "apt-get install blootbot" |
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| 15:38.27 | HuK0B | Maulkin ? |
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| 15:38.42 | Ozux | Maulkin: I installed dpkg ... but |
| 15:38.53 | Ozux | Maulkin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2947 |
| 15:39.08 | stew | cusco: yeah, if you are on testing you should probably switch to a 2.6 kernel. /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 15:39.17 | cusco | :/ |
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| 15:39.39 | Ozux | Maulkin: I think It works. Just need Config. |
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| 15:40.19 | Maulkin | Ozux: How are your starting it? |
| 15:40.29 | Maulkin | Ozux: You shoudl use /etc/init.d/blootbot start |
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| 15:41.22 | Ozux | Maulkin: It ask me some config questions, then I type blootbot in command line, it ask me User name and .... |
| 15:41.24 | Maulkin | Ozux: Also, read /usr/share/doc/blootbot/README.Debian |
| 15:41.44 | k31th | wats the comand for a sym link ? |
| 15:41.50 | Maulkin | k31th: ln |
| 15:42.01 | k31th | thats it |
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| 15:43.10 | abrotman | !tell k31th about grounding |
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| 15:43.56 | k31th | is it ln /symlink /original |
| 15:44.12 | Maulkin | k31th: no, read "man ln" |
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| 15:51.51 | Ozux | Maulkin: Thanks a lot it works ;-) |
| 15:51.59 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:51.59 | dpkg | from memory, qotd72 is <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
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| 15:53.33 | mynameisdeleted | I have a debian or ubuntu or whatever based system with a bad scandisk and some files and directories in /lost+found |
| 15:53.45 | mynameisdeleted | I think I re-installed any packages which had files there or corrupted |
| 15:53.49 | mynameisdeleted | but want to make sure |
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| 15:54.00 | mynameisdeleted | is there a process for that? |
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| 15:54.13 | mynameisdeleted | all dpkg cmmands and apt commands run 100% clean or look like that |
| 15:54.16 | blondie | why does dpkg need to complain about using ! in a pm |
| 15:54.20 | blondie | does it really matter? |
| 15:54.35 | liable | a what? |
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| 15:55.07 | liable | blondie: well, its not your hash prompt!!:P |
| 15:55.09 | blondie | liable: if you're asking me, I mean talking to dpkg in pm and saying ! at the start |
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| 15:55.17 | blondie | 16:53:03 <dpkg> The addressCharacter "!" is to get my attention in a normal channel. Please leave it off when messaging me directly. |
| 15:55.32 | blondie | sorry to upset you dpkg |
| 15:55.36 | liable | blondie: actually, that comment wasnt directed at you. |
| 15:55.43 | blondie | ok |
| 15:55.49 | Maulkin | blondie: send me a wishlist bug and I'll forward ti to upstream IYL |
| 15:55.58 | blondie | hm |
| 15:56.27 | liable | hrm, dpkg used to have a more witty remark about that.. |
| 15:56.36 | Maulkin | blondie: They may well say "Won't fix" though |
| 15:56.41 | liable | seems everything is a little more boring.. |
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| 15:57.17 | rebooted | 'lut |
| 15:57.24 | mynameisdeleted | are there any tools to fully veriify all currently installed debian packages to make sure there were no files deleted? |
| 15:57.35 | petemc | debsums |
| 15:58.06 | petemc | hmm, actually, that just checks the integrity of binaries i think |
| 15:58.38 | mynameisdeleted | and unzipped config files |
| 15:58.45 | mynameisdeleted | but not configured files |
| 15:58.49 | mynameisdeleted | good enough |
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| 15:58.56 | mynameisdeleted | it will probably list most messed up packages |
| 15:59.04 | mynameisdeleted | if somethign goes wrong I'll fix it |
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| 15:59.06 | mynameisdeleted | when I find it out |
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| 16:00.22 | k31th | hum vi how do i rename some thing globally ?? i.e i want replace site66 with blah.com |
| 16:00.24 | mynameisdeleted | how long does debsums normally take to run? |
| 16:00.52 | mynameisdeleted | looks like it could be an hour or so |
| 16:01.01 | blondie | three years! |
| 16:01.20 | dabreegster | k31th: s/foo/bar/3 where 3 is the number of lines to apply it to |
| 16:01.20 | Nemoder | k31th: :%s/site66/blah.com/g |
| 16:01.54 | k31th | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:04.20 | stew | mynameisdeleted: if you want something that just checks for missing files, you could script somehting that would be a lot faster than debsums, something like: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list | while read a ; do if [ ! -e $a ]; then echo missing: $a ; fi ; done |
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| 16:17.59 | Lin | There is some problem in compile drbd-0.7.10 on kernel 2.6.16? |
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| 16:18.37 | cyzie | in putty, there is a feature under connection -> seconds between keepalives. if i want to implement this in command line. what is the equivalent ? |
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| 16:19.31 | petemc | cyzie: -o tcpkeepaalive - should be in the man page |
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| 16:20.04 | petemc | cyzie: my experience is, that often doesnt work if you've got some shitty firewall dropping the connection |
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| 16:21.09 | stew | cyzie: save the setting in a session, and launch putty with "putty -load sessionname" |
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| 16:21.27 | SNow | W: GPG error: ftp://ameba.sc-uni.ktu.lt testing Release: Could not execute '/usr/bin/gpgv' to verify signature (is gnupg installed?) |
| 16:21.30 | Ozux | Any body khow how can I change descriptions and ad topics to bloodbot? |
| 16:21.32 | stew | cyzie: (there is no tcpkeepalive command line option) |
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| 16:21.37 | SNow | I get this error, and when I do update, I still get the same error |
| 16:21.39 | SNow | but should I do? |
| 16:21.44 | stew | SNow: install gnupg |
| 16:21.54 | SNow | I don't need that? |
| 16:21.54 | SNow | ;] |
| 16:21.56 | cyzie | stew, there is, -o as what petemc mentioned. but it is vague |
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| 16:22.16 | stew | cyzie: there is? what version of putty are you running? |
| 16:23.15 | SNow | stew doesn't help |
| 16:23.42 | petemc | stew: i assumed he meant the debian ssh binary... |
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| 16:24.26 | cyzie | petemc, when i append -o in the command line, i got this error command-line line 0: Missing yes/no argument. |
| 16:24.51 | dabreegster | cyzie: -o yes # maybe? |
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| 16:25.37 | cyzie | dabreegster, ??? |
| 16:26.23 | Zerial | cyzie, -o <option>=yes? maybe? |
| 16:26.23 | dabreegster | cyzie: You probably have to give -o an argument, but yes/no might not make sense here. Are you merely trying to specify whether or not to use keepalive, or an actual timeout value? |
| 16:27.02 | worstenboy | hi, i want to install a .deb package, but it stops for unmet depencies, "libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 is installed" if i do an apt-get upgrade it doesnt update libc6 so how could i upgrade ? |
| 16:27.18 | k31th | Ok i have a bunch of users on a CentOS4.3 box (same as rhe basically) and i want to move them to Debian server wats the best way of doing this ? |
| 16:27.21 | cyzie | Zerial, thanks, that will work but how do i specify 5 seconds like i did in putty ? |
| 16:27.37 | dabreegster | worstenboy: You could apt-get install libc6. Upgrade only gets stuff that doesn't rely on new packages or conflict with existing |
| 16:28.12 | cyzie | dabreegster, Zerial -o keepalive=yes solve my problem. thanks |
| 16:28.16 | worstenboy | hmm is there then an option to do so? |
| 16:28.17 | azeem | worstenboy: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:28.23 | SNow | anyone?? |
| 16:28.27 | SNow | help me plz |
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| 16:28.39 | worstenboy | Linux version 2.6.14-2-k7-smp (Debian 2.6.14-6bpo1) |
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| 16:28.53 | dabreegster | worstenboy: With root priveliges and a correct sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get install libc6 |
| 16:28.57 | azeem | SNow: did you install gnupg? |
| 16:28.59 | bnovc | 0/win 20 |
| 16:29.02 | wamty | how would i grant this user read access to / ? add him to "disk" group ? |
| 16:29.05 | SNow | how I could Install it |
| 16:29.10 | SNow | if it returns with error |
| 16:29.12 | azeem | dabreegster: look, don't tell people to update libc6 unless you are sure they need it |
| 16:29.15 | mzuverink | I am about to dl the net installer and would like to know if there is a good howto to go from stable to testing. I would like to have the current gnome |
| 16:29.25 | wamty | AND, Is it OK to run a backup job as root, or should a create a special user with read access to / that will be used for backup's ? whats better ? |
| 16:29.38 | azeem | worstenboy: so stable? |
| 16:29.44 | worstenboy | libc6 is already the newest version., my sources file is my isp mirror |
| 16:29.51 | dabreegster | azeem: Sorry. It just sounded like he needed it for that package. |
| 16:29.55 | SNow | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 16:29.55 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.55 | SNow | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y |
| 16:30.00 | meff | so uhm.. i've looked around on the debian-kernel list and didn't find much.. where the heck is linux-kbuild-2.6.17 ? seemes it doesnt exist |
| 16:30.09 | SNow | dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 16:30.14 | wamty | azeem: Any idea? |
| 16:30.17 | fauxalliance | wamty, does the user need to be a super user to back up? go with the rule of least privilege |
| 16:30.18 | worstenboy | azeem i don't really know about debian versions, just chose debian, didn't do the install myselve |
| 16:30.45 | cyzie | Zerial, any idea how to specify seconds in between the keepalive message? |
| 16:30.46 | azeem | worstenboy: what .deb package do you want to install, where do you got it from, and how do you install it? |
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| 16:30.59 | snd-ca0106 | mouse "navigation" can be stopped with a commad/script ? |
| 16:31.01 | fauxalliance | make a bakup group, grant read only access, add backup user to backup group. |
| 16:31.16 | azeem | SNow: if /var/lib/dpkg/available is missing, your system is seriously broken |
| 16:31.18 | worstenboy | tmsnc - http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Ft%2Ftmsnc%2Ftmsnc_0.3.1-1_i386.deb&md5sum=2663d59cc99531753aefebf58876bd13&arch=i386&type=main |
| 16:31.29 | worstenboy | i do : dpkg -i <package.deb> |
| 16:31.42 | SNow | azeem so what I could do? |
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| 16:32.03 | azeem | SNow: try 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available' as root |
| 16:32.15 | azeem | worstenboy: why don't you do apt-get install tmsnc? |
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| 16:32.19 | wamty | Any suggestions please? |
| 16:32.27 | azeem | worstenboy: don't use dpkg |
| 16:32.38 | worstenboy | it isn't in there, i'm suspecting my sources.list is not compleet then |
| 16:33.00 | azeem | worstenboy: it is likely not available for your version of Debian |
| 16:33.06 | Zerial | cyzie, in dont know |
| 16:33.08 | azeem | worstenboy: just installing any .deb is NOT a solution |
| 16:33.15 | incorrect | when a kernel is installed, is the config from mkinitrd,conf obeyed should you be installing a stock kernel? |
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| 16:33.22 | fauxalliance | wamty, man chmod |
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| 16:33.37 | worstenboy | azeem how can i figure out which version of debian i run ?, i think i then should compile ? |
| 16:33.46 | azeem | worstenboy: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:33.56 | worstenboy | 3.1 |
| 16:34.00 | azeem | worstenboy: you can use e.g. GAIM for MSN |
| 16:34.17 | cusco | stew: I did not put kernel 2.6 yet.. I shut the machine down and booted it back up.. I can't tellnet nor ssh to it |
| 16:34.28 | worstenboy | it is a server, and i just found this package, so i just wanted to test it :) |
| 16:34.28 | cusco | System bootup in progress - please wait |
| 16:34.28 | cusco | Connection to velhadas closed. |
| 16:34.37 | worstenboy | thats why i need console app |
| 16:34.44 | azeem | worstenboy: if it's a server, don't "just test it" |
| 16:34.45 | cusco | it just says system bootup in progress - please wait |
| 16:34.49 | cusco | and closes my connection |
| 16:34.57 | azeem | worstenboy: especially don't use dpkg if you're new to Debian |
| 16:35.03 | stew | cusco: no console on it? |
| 16:35.08 | stew | cusco: you could ssh in as root, probably |
| 16:35.17 | fauxalliance | wamty, i would make a restore group too, give them privilege to write. |
| 16:35.18 | cusco | stew: I turned that off |
| 16:35.22 | azeem | worstenboy: centericq can talk MSN as well, and is console-based |
| 16:35.23 | worstenboy | ok azeem, compiling this from source couldn't harm right ? |
| 16:35.27 | azeem | worstenboy: no |
| 16:35.32 | cusco | on ssh server... I have no screen to put on it!! |
| 16:35.36 | azeem | but I recommend you apt-get install stuff if possible |
| 16:35.41 | worstenboy | thnx very much azeem you helped me once again :) |
| 16:35.42 | cusco | hehe.. I will borrow one :| |
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| 16:36.17 | Some_Person | i install things with apt-get, synaptic, and dpkg (.deb files) |
| 16:37.03 | Some_Person | and sometimes make |
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| 16:39.54 | josephine` | hi, i got a problem with adding ftp users at my server.. even if I add them with ftp access when i try to login it says: 331 Password required for ftpadmin. 530 Login incorrect. Login failed. i got proftpd running |
| 16:40.00 | josephine` | on debian |
| 16:40.20 | Lin | josephine`, your users has a shell assigned to his accounts? |
| 16:40.35 | sonasks | i upgraded to mysql 5.0, but it`s not doing it`s job correctly, now i want to go back ty 4.0, eventually i want to remove completely mysql-server, but apt-gat want to remove aa the deps also |
| 16:40.41 | Vasistha | I'm trying to figure out the best way to install the newest fp-compiler ... is it easier to convert an rpm to deb, or to do it from an install script? In the past I've usually just run the install script, but the advice here seems to be to do things through dpkg |
| 16:41.03 | sonasks | what is the switch in apt-get to only remove the package i want, not all the deps ? |
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| 16:41.12 | josephine` | Lin you mean ssh access ? |
| 16:41.25 | Lin | josephine`, no. |
| 16:41.54 | Lin | josephine`, I mean a shell. |
| 16:42.18 | Lin | josephine`, /bin/bash. Because, if not, you have to setup on proftpd.conf this: RequireValidShell off |
| 16:42.42 | Lin | josephine`, AFAIK, on is the default. |
| 16:42.44 | josephine` | it has /bin/false |
| 16:43.01 | Lin | josephine`, then configure that line on proftpd.conf |
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| 16:43.25 | josephine` | Lin thx :) |
| 16:43.39 | Lin | josephine`, be welcome. |
| 16:43.55 | sonasks | what is the command for apt to remove only packages i want, not deps ?? |
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| 16:44.18 | azeem | sonasks: apt usually does not remove deps as well |
| 16:44.44 | sonasks | but is there a way to downgrade a package using apt-get ?? |
| 16:44.59 | azeem | sonasks: yes, if you pass it a specific version for example |
| 16:45.07 | azeem | downgrading is not support though, and might fail |
| 16:45.17 | sonasks | want to try |
| 16:45.24 | sonasks | but should i do then |
| 16:45.33 | azeem | ? |
| 16:45.37 | sonasks | apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server-4.0 ? |
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| 16:46.22 | s0crates | from running dpkg-buildpackage, how can i see the output to screen from it, i mean, is there a log of what is printed? |
| 16:46.33 | Edwin_Quijada | i have a problem with xorg |
| 16:46.34 | Lin | josephine`, it worked? |
| 16:46.40 | Vasistha | sonasks: as a sidenote, I'd like to recommend running 4.1 instead of 4.0, it may have the features you're looking for in 5.0, and 4.1 is in the stable tree |
| 16:47.03 | azeem | sonasks: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:47.04 | Edwin_Quijada | i got this error |
| 16:47.12 | sonasks | i know that now, while sitting on mysql 5.0 and have messed up Plesk CP :D |
| 16:47.12 | josephine` | Lin: no.. :( i changed that to RequireValidShell off |
| 16:47.26 | Lin | josephine`, what logs says? |
| 16:47.31 | josephine` | but it still says Login incorrect when i try to login to an ftp user |
| 16:47.34 | sonasks | how can i throw mysql server 5.0 out and instal 4.1 again |
| 16:47.42 | josephine` | i restarted proftpd |
| 16:47.44 | snd-ca0106 | There's a way to set/unset mouse control via numpad outside kde control center ? |
| 16:47.51 | azeem | sonasks: that's not downgrading, those are destinct packages |
| 16:47.52 | sonasks | but when do apt-egt remove mysql-server-5.0 it wants to remove all Plesk CP with him |
| 16:47.58 | Edwin_Quijada | sonasks: go to postgres |
| 16:47.59 | azeem | however, I don't use mysql, sorry |
| 16:48.06 | Lin | very weird.. works very well to me. You have done something wrong. I have sure.. |
| 16:48.10 | azeem | Edwin_Quijada: will you support him on postgresql? |
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| 16:48.22 | Lin | josephine`, did you have sure that password is correct? |
| 16:48.27 | wamty | Question: i got wine to recognize my Battlefield 1942 disk in the drive and it started the exe. but it ythen informs me to insert disk one |
| 16:48.33 | wamty | but the disk in the drive is disk one |
| 16:48.37 | wamty | Any ideas? :( |
| 16:48.39 | sonasks | i just want to know how to throw mysql server form my system without throwing away all the packages with him |
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| 16:48.54 | josephine` | Lin: yes I changed it twice |
| 16:49.02 | lindenle | anyone know the irc channel for the mmc/sd project? |
| 16:49.07 | azeem | sonasks: maybe try apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server-4.0- |
| 16:49.13 | azeem | sonasks: note the '-' |
| 16:49.15 | azeem | at the end |
| 16:49.20 | sonasks | ok, wait |
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| 16:50.19 | sonasks | mysql-server-5.0 is already installed, mysql-server-4.1 is not installed so will not be removed |
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| 16:50.49 | josephine` | I don't get it hm :/ |
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| 16:51.09 | sonasks | maybe i can remove it by dpkg ? |
| 16:51.26 | azeem | sonasks: eh, other way round then |
| 16:51.36 | azeem | apt-get install mysql-server-5.0- mysql-server-4.1 |
| 16:51.41 | stew | sonasks: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:51.44 | sonasks | tried that - nothing |
| 16:52.23 | sonasks | "unke dependencies mysql-server-4.1 requires mysql-server-5.0 but it won`t be installed" |
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| 16:54.22 | Akbar | oh nooooo!!! |
| 16:54.36 | Akbar | penalty for nothing! |
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| 16:55.13 | mz_work | penalty? huh? |
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| 16:55.20 | blondie | chavball? |
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| 16:55.32 | Akbar | italy didn't deserve it |
| 16:55.43 | mz_work | Akbar: are you in the wrong channel? |
| 16:55.45 | Vasistha | Akbar: #worldcup dude |
| 16:55.51 | Akbar | ll |
| 16:55.53 | Akbar | lol |
| 16:55.55 | blondie | don't talk about football in here |
| 16:56.14 | Akbar | alright.. alright |
| 16:56.17 | Lin | blondie, is soccer! |
| 16:56.22 | blondie | no it's football |
| 16:56.25 | Akbar | football |
| 16:56.26 | stew | its offtopic |
| 16:56.53 | blondie | and yes it's offtopic |
| 16:58.23 | Vasistha | So is it considered easier to use alien to convert rpm to deb, or to convert an install.sh script to deb? |
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| 16:59.09 | wamty | while doing a backup.. should i use --ignore-failed-read against locked files ? |
| 16:59.28 | blondie | wamty: what program is that? |
| 16:59.30 | mz_work | at one time there was an issue w/ Debian in that the system time would be set incorrectly if you had /usr on its own partition - there was even a post about it @ debian-administration.org but i cannot seem to find it, anyone know if this is still an issue? |
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| 16:59.44 | blondie | wamty: and are you using debian or solaris? :P |
| 17:00.03 | wamty | debian |
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| 17:06.42 | kspath | !barbie |
| 17:06.42 | dpkg | Reading the manual is HARD! |
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| 17:11.20 | streuner | dpkg, no barbie is <reply> Reading the manual is HARD! Let's go shoping. |
| 17:11.20 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
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| 17:13.44 | Vasistha | streuner: "shopping" |
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| 17:14.33 | ramiroec | a dump question ...... Is there a "world cup" channel ? |
| 17:14.44 | dabreegster | ramiroec: #worldcup |
| 17:14.46 | Lin | ramiroec, yes.. there is ;-) |
| 17:15.41 | streuner | dpkg, barbie =~ s/shoping/shopping/ |
| 17:15.42 | dpkg | streuner: OK |
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| 17:18.37 | RvGaTe | Etch = weekly build, Sid = daily build, am i right? |
| 17:19.14 | Vasistha | RvGaTe: not exactly, packages move from sid to etch only after being QA'd a bit |
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| 17:19.28 | k31th | Ok i have a bunch of users on a CentOS4.3 box (same as rhe basically) and i want to move them to Debian server wats the best way of doing this ? |
| 17:19.38 | streuner | sid aka unstable is the developer branch of debian, after about 2 weeks packages usually going into etch / testing |
| 17:19.46 | Vasistha | k31th: copy the /home directory? |
| 17:19.53 | tarzeau | streuner: 10 days usually |
| 17:20.01 | Vasistha | k31th: oh ... you'll also want to preserve UID's and GID's |
| 17:20.05 | tarzeau | streuner: it can be 2 or 5 too, or much longer |
| 17:20.23 | kspath | k31th: What would you do if you wanted to move users from CentOS to CentOS? |
| 17:20.23 | Vasistha | k31th: this task is less trivial than my initial answer indicated... |
| 17:20.32 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: packages are not built in etch, they move into etch from sid builds |
| 17:20.37 | streuner | tarzeau: well, do we have some statistics about? :-P |
| 17:21.00 | Akbar | RvGaTe, etch will be the next stable |
| 17:21.02 | tarzeau | streuner: sure, can we limit the stats onto a group of packages/software ? |
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| 17:21.15 | tarzeau | streuner: it's even easier if you can just name one package to look it up |
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| 17:21.41 | wamty | my eth0 is up, but it's not getting an ip from the dhcp server |
| 17:21.44 | streuner | tarzeau: we talked about *ALL* packages in sid... |
| 17:21.47 | wamty | and I can see it in lspci |
| 17:21.49 | wamty | any ideas? |
| 17:21.51 | RvGaTe | So any ideas when the nvidia drivers will be available in etch? (i had severe problems getting them running, and when i finaly installed them, my x server crashed) |
| 17:22.05 | tarzeau | streuner: i don't think there's overall stats... but that would be interesting to do |
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| 17:22.18 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: the binaries? never |
| 17:22.19 | abrotman | RvGaTe: are there RC bugs against them ? |
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| 17:23.23 | RvGaTe | abrotman,sorry, i have no idea what you mean |
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| 17:23.44 | abrotman | RvGaTe: you don't know what the BTS is? |
| 17:23.59 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=nvidia-glx .. i'd guess it'll be a bit :) |
| 17:24.05 | k31th | Vasistha: wat do you mean ? |
| 17:24.08 | wamty | guys? |
| 17:24.18 | Vasistha | wamty: give us a second |
| 17:24.20 | kspath | k31th: What would you do if you wanted to move users from CentOS to CentOS? |
| 17:24.44 | Vasistha | wamty: you could pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and ifconfig -a |
| 17:25.06 | wamty | should I do.. |
| 17:25.08 | wamty | iface eth0 dhcp ? |
| 17:25.16 | wamty | or was it iface eth0 inet dhcp? |
| 17:25.25 | k31th | kspath: well id copy in passwd group and shadow file in |
| 17:25.28 | wamty | in edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:25.31 | k31th | I guess i can do that |
| 17:25.39 | k31th | just cut out all the system accounts ? |
| 17:25.45 | RvGaTe | abrotman, bts=bugtrackingsystem, but what is RC ? |
| 17:25.47 | k31th | i.e root apache etc ? |
| 17:25.54 | k31th | and make sure no groups overlap |
| 17:26.03 | k31th | i.e group ids are the same etc. |
| 17:26.12 | k31th | are not the same* |
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| 17:26.53 | abrotman | !tell RvGaTe about bts |
| 17:26.55 | Vasistha | k31th: first, my disclaimer: I have not done this, and this is off the top of my head, you should listen to some other folks here. That said... you'll need to copy select lines from /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd and /etc/group and /etc/gshadow |
| 17:27.45 | raf256 | why there is no single good Jabber IM program for debian? |
| 17:27.46 | k31th | wats gshadow ? |
| 17:27.56 | raf256 | Gaim (1.x) sucks, and PSI is missing SSL support |
| 17:28.03 | dabreegster | raf256: bitlbee talks to jabber |
| 17:28.04 | Vasistha | wamty: mine says iface wlan0 inet dhcp # of course that's a wireless connection, yours should be eth0 not wlan0 |
| 17:28.05 | RvGaTe | abrotman, yes, i know what bts is, but what did you mean with: <abrotman> RvGaTe: are there RC bugs against them ? |
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| 17:28.11 | abrotman | !rc |
| 17:28.11 | dpkg | i heard rc is for Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
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| 17:28.29 | RvGaTe | hmm, yeah i had |
| 17:28.30 | Vasistha | wamty: you'll need to ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 # after changing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:28.36 | stew | !rc =~ s#for ## |
| 17:28.37 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 17:28.39 | dabreegster | raf256: And you can use your IRC client. It's an IRC server |
| 17:28.44 | Vasistha | k31th: take a look |
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| 17:29.26 | tarzeau | does your national/local tv stations also send advertisement ads about http://www.irct.org/ ? |
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| 17:29.58 | raf256 | dabreegster: I need real Jabber client |
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| 17:30.02 | raf256 | PSI would be ideal, |
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| 17:30.13 | raf256 | only the Debian pack do not have SSL support. why?! |
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| 17:30.33 | wamty | Yes but whats the correct way? |
| 17:30.37 | raf256 | is Psi's debian devel retarded or what |
| 17:30.39 | wamty | I did |
| 17:30.43 | wamty | auto eth0 |
| 17:30.47 | wamty | iface eth0 dhcp |
| 17:30.50 | tarzeau | raf256: checked the BTS for it yet? |
| 17:30.54 | wamty | or was it iface eth0 inet dhcp? |
| 17:30.54 | raf256 | in PSI (debian testing) when I enable SSL it says - can't find SSL plugin |
| 17:30.56 | tarzeau | raf256: maybe it needs a license update? |
| 17:31.02 | raf256 | tarzeau: nope, ok I will |
| 17:31.04 | tarzeau | raf256: what's the pkg name? |
| 17:31.06 | wamty | I added this line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:31.08 | raf256 | tarzeau: psi |
| 17:31.11 | abrotman | i thought everyone switched to kopete |
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| 17:31.22 | abrotman | or gaim :) |
| 17:31.25 | kspath | abrotman: hehehe |
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| 17:31.42 | raf256 | abrotman: PSI seems to be most complete Jabber support, Gaim lacks even simple Invisible state! |
| 17:31.45 | blondie | I thought everyone used IRC |
| 17:31.56 | abrotman | raf256: for jabber protocol? or some other crappy protocol? |
| 17:32.05 | Vasistha | !tell wamty -about enter |
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| 17:32.10 | raf256 | abrotman: invisibility is not official in Jabber (not XMPP) ? |
| 17:32.37 | Vasistha | wamty: the line should include 'inet'. |
| 17:32.42 | raf256 | abrotman: anyhow, It Just Works (tm) in psi, and it dont work in Gaim. Also I find PSI interface nicest |
| 17:32.50 | abrotman | raf256: i don't think so .. it's kind of a stupid feature .. "HAHA .. i can see you but you can't see me" .. or maybe noone wants to see you |
| 17:32.54 | raf256 | hmm perhaps I should compile Psi from sources? |
| 17:33.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: i use amsn |
| 17:33.09 | abrotman | perhaps you shoulod read the debian/rules file and see for yourself |
| 17:33.14 | raf256 | abrotman: it is needed, like when you have a boss on list, or a lover |
| 17:33.15 | tarzeau | raf256: yeah gaim sucks |
| 17:33.26 | abrotman | raf256: right .. like you have a lover |
| 17:33.34 | abrotman | raf256: and you're an idiot if you gave your boss your IM name |
| 17:33.39 | wamty | and how can I turn off iptables for now? |
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| 17:33.49 | abrotman | "Let's give my boss more ways for him to contact me ... \o/" |
| 17:33.50 | raf256 | abrotman: any paticular reason to offend me? My boss have my other IM id =) |
| 17:34.09 | raf256 | I was speaking in general |
| 17:34.11 | abrotman | raf256: you actually enjoy having your boss IM you? |
| 17:34.22 | raf256 | abrotman: we cuted down phone bills |
| 17:34.27 | raf256 | I work remotelly |
| 17:34.28 | abrotman | if my boss found my IM name .. i'd change it |
| 17:34.48 | kspath | abrotman: some places of work use IM |
| 17:35.02 | abrotman | kspath: that's fine .. at work .. not at home |
| 17:35.13 | raf256 | abrotman: whatever the reason, without invisibility I would need to like 4 nicks, for work, for private work, for friends, for family |
| 17:35.25 | kspath | abrotman: I worked from home for a almost 2 years. |
| 17:35.34 | blondie | raf256: why can't you just have one? |
| 17:35.37 | raf256 | well, anyway I like PSI more. how can I make it to have SSL? should I compile from source? or search for some backport? |
| 17:36.01 | raf256 | blondie: coz then to talk to my private client or coworker, I must made self visible for boss and family etc |
| 17:36.13 | wamty | Vasistha: echo "auto eth0" > /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:36.14 | stew | raf256: it recommends a tls pacakge, you might see if that adds the functionality you are desiring |
| 17:36.15 | wamty | ? |
| 17:36.17 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.18 | wamty | can I do that? |
| 17:36.23 | Vasistha | wamty: no!! |
| 17:36.30 | abrotman | raf256: why don't you like your family? |
| 17:36.38 | raf256 | stew: it does? I didnt see any psi-tsl or anything |
| 17:36.39 | wamty | why not? |
| 17:36.42 | Vasistha | wamty: if anything, echo "autho eth0" >> /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:36.44 | stew | raf256: yes, it does |
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| 17:36.52 | linux2 | does anyone here know of good backup software that i can use to have files on one server be coppied over to another daily and then have them compressed into gzip2? |
| 17:36.52 | raf256 | stew: whats the name? |
| 17:36.53 | abrotman | !recommends psi etch |
| 17:36.58 | Vasistha | wamty: you need >> instead of > unless you want to destroy your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:36.59 | dpkg | psi: has nothing about recommends |
| 17:37.09 | Vasistha | wamty: but you should really do it with an editor anyway |
| 17:37.15 | stew | raf256: apt-cache show psi | grep Recommends |
| 17:37.31 | raf256 | sox, qca-tls |
| 17:37.38 | dhendrix | Hello all. Can someone please check /usr/lib/python2.2 (Or whatever version of python you're using) for pwd.py and let me know what package it belongs to? I've installed every python2.2 package but still seem to be missing this module. |
| 17:37.42 | stew | raf256: tls is ssl |
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| 17:37.49 | raf256 | yey, qca. OF COURSE "qca" is for "psi". Way to go devels |
| 17:38.01 | abrotman | the bot can't do recommends ? |
| 17:38.14 | abrotman | TLS plugin for the Qt Cryptographic Architecture (QCA) |
| 17:38.16 | stew | raf256: qca is not for psi |
| 17:38.19 | abrotman | make more sense now? |
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| 17:38.35 | raf256 | I think they should make it a "depends" then. can I file it in as a feauture request "bug"? |
| 17:38.35 | nipagini | hi |
| 17:38.57 | raf256 | or at least expand the error message to include "(on Debian: apt-get install qca-ssl) |
| 17:38.58 | stew | raf256: psi does not depend on tls for its operation |
| 17:39.07 | raf256 | stew: it do for normal operation |
| 17:39.08 | nipagini | is there a possibility to make a slideshow as wallpaper with fading? |
| 17:39.17 | nipagini | on fluxbox ... |
| 17:39.27 | stew | raf256: psi is not at all usable to anyone without tls? |
| 17:39.28 | raf256 | *full |
| 17:39.34 | raf256 | well ok |
| 17:39.45 | abrotman | raf256: it does not *depend* on tls |
| 17:39.47 | raf256 | then, at least make the error message more informatible in debian version |
| 17:39.55 | abrotman | you can't read recommends? |
| 17:40.02 | Vasistha | wamty: so is it working now? |
| 17:40.03 | abrotman | apt-cache show psi .. there itis |
| 17:40.08 | kspath | abrotman: It appears to be a no. |
| 17:40.09 | stew | raf256: make a patch, and include it as a wishlist bug |
| 17:40.11 | raf256 | abrotman: I thought it would be psi-* like firefox-foobar |
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| 17:40.26 | raf256 | stew: apt-get source psi, then "fix" the source, and then? |
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| 17:40.38 | abrotman | raf256: why ... it's a Qt app .. they have a library for TLS support already .. do oyu want every app to have its own TLS/SSL library package? |
| 17:40.41 | raf256 | like.. diff ? |
| 17:40.42 | stew | raf256: make a diff, then reportbug |
| 17:41.08 | abrotman | and people wonder why kde is bloated :) |
| 17:41.10 | raf256 | abrotman: perhaps make a dummy psi-encryption that would be empty but would depend on qca-ssl ? |
| 17:41.13 | raf256 | *-tls ? |
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| 17:41.34 | abrotman | raf256: that's just silly .. the qca-tls package is there .. use it |
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| 17:41.39 | stew | raf256: how would that help? |
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| 17:41.51 | abrotman | raf256: AFAICT .. you failed to read what was already available .. |
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| 17:41.58 | raf256 | stew: I bet x2 more n00bs would then include it. Remember, not all users are so smart |
| 17:42.13 | abrotman | we noticed |
| 17:42.16 | raf256 | abrotman: yes. but lets make life a bit more comfortable for less expereinced |
| 17:42.19 | raf256 | Failed, I have |
| 17:42.26 | raf256 | To Tatooin, return, I must |
| 17:42.33 | abrotman | tatooine ? |
| 17:42.47 | raf256 | abrotman: dunno, Im not really fan of that movei |
| 17:43.32 | kspath | !dorksmite raf256 |
| 17:43.38 | abrotman | raf256: ok .. well now you know .. when a feature you think should be there .. check the suggests and recommends |
| 17:43.50 | stew | raf256: 'aptitude install psi' does install qca-tls automatically, it might be better for you to use aptitude |
| 17:44.13 | abrotman | i thought auto install of recommends was an option you had to set |
| 17:44.15 | raf256 | ok I will just make the patch perhaps |
| 17:44.33 | raf256 | reccomend > suggests? |
| 17:44.33 | k31th | Do i need gshadow ? |
| 17:44.43 | k31th | iv never coped info from gshadow in the past |
| 17:45.05 | k31th | wen migrating boxes |
| 17:45.52 | mirak | hi |
| 17:46.23 | mirak | my cooling vent of my video card is doing an awfull noise. Should I put lubrifiant on it or degripping stuff ? |
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| 17:47.14 | sussudio | mirak: you could just replace the fan |
| 17:47.28 | Edwin_Quijada | I have a problem with Xorg |
| 17:47.30 | Edwin_Quijada | Fatal server error: |
| 17:47.30 | Edwin_Quijada | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 17:47.35 | Edwin_Quijada | I get this error |
| 17:47.45 | Edwin_Quijada | Anybody has a clue? |
| 17:47.46 | stew | raf256: yes. recommends means "normally you would find these pacakges together" which is why aptitude installs the Recommends: by default. it seems like the packaging is correct to me |
| 17:47.58 | stew | !dw Edwin_Quijada Xorg69To7 |
| 17:47.58 | dpkg | Edwin_Quijada: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 17:48.04 | mirak | sussudio: why ? it's working. It's just a bit dry |
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| 17:48.33 | sussudio | mirak: yeah. throw some oil on there, see what it does to your videocard and the rest of the system. |
| 17:48.55 | raf256 | how to set same behaviour for apt-get? |
| 17:48.59 | raf256 | and synaptic |
| 17:49.06 | raf256 | also, should that be the default for them then? |
| 17:49.10 | sussudio | raf256: like... the manual? |
| 17:49.22 | stew | raf256: apt-get doesn't provide this functionality |
| 17:49.45 | mirak | sussudio: I already put degripant, it works, but I was wondering if lubrifiant wasn't better. or moisture |
| 17:49.52 | mirak | oil I mean |
| 17:50.02 | mirak | sussudio: vegetal oil |
| 17:50.05 | sussudio | !dict degripant |
| 17:50.07 | dpkg | could not find definition for degripant |
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| 17:50.31 | sussudio | mirak: that will run nicely all over your system. |
| 17:51.09 | blondie | sussudio: it's not |
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| 17:51.24 | sussudio | blondie: you were fast with that answer. this worries me. |
| 17:51.27 | blondie | apparently you can fill your PC case with it, and it'll act as coolent |
| 17:51.54 | mirak | sussudio: why would it run all over my system ? |
| 17:51.54 | crypt_ex | my KDE doesnt look good at all, think I maybe missing some font packages. What packages from apt-get might help? |
| 17:52.00 | sussudio | mirak: because it's... runny? |
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| 17:52.11 | mirak | sussudio: gni ??? |
| 17:52.30 | sussudio | mirak: you would've been better off with a little silicone oil |
| 17:52.45 | rebooted | bon bein a plus :) |
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| 17:54.29 | mirak | sussudio: can I find that in a supermaket ? |
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| 18:01.07 | Vasistha | where can I find a web-friendly list of experimental packages? Mostly I'm curious if someone has packaged fp-compiler 2.0.2 |
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| 18:01.22 | Vasistha | ...and the rest of the free pascal stuff |
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| 18:03.46 | sussudio | mirak: probably, yes. you can buy it at ALDI or LIDL or maybe electronic stores. |
| 18:04.25 | mirak | ok |
| 18:04.34 | sussudio | it's like 2 euro a can |
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| 18:04.42 | roostishaw | anyone, what command can i use to list all installed packages? |
| 18:04.53 | sussudio | man dpkg |
| 18:05.08 | sussudio | for future reference... |
| 18:05.13 | sussudio | dpkg --get-selections |
| 18:06.06 | stew | roostishaw: dpkg -l | grep "^.i" |
| 18:06.06 | vronsky | "Anybody know how to use more than one command using xargs? |
| 18:06.20 | roostishaw | stew, thank you! |
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| 18:09.29 | cyzie | hi, im looking for a command that allow unzip to traverse into the subdir to unzip files that end with zip. |
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| 18:10.15 | amphi | cyzie: find or a for loop |
| 18:10.21 | Vasistha | cyzie: do you have a zip file that contains subdirs that contain zip files?? |
| 18:10.29 | cyzie | Vasistha, eys |
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| 18:10.31 | cyzie | yes |
| 18:10.31 | saftsack__ | hi |
| 18:10.42 | saftsack__ | faxgetty doesnt answers any calls here :( |
| 18:10.58 | saftsack__ | there is nothing to see in syslog :( |
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| 18:11.51 | petemc | cyzie: i think unzip has that functionality built, check the mannpage |
| 18:11.51 | Vasistha | cyzie: sorry to hear that ... I dunno if this will work, but find -name \*\.zip -exec unzip {} \; |
| 18:11.56 | cyzie | find . -name '*.zip' -exec unzip -xv {} \; |
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| 18:13.55 | SquareGuy | looking for a simple http file server similar to hfs for windows, any ideas? |
| 18:14.10 | J|m_ | mini_httpd |
| 18:14.16 | J|m_ | thttpd |
| 18:14.25 | cyzie | waht is hfs |
| 18:14.26 | cyzie | ? |
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| 18:14.46 | abrotman | apache? |
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| 18:15.43 | davis | hello |
| 18:16.01 | SquareGuy | J|m_, thx. |
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| 18:16.45 | SquareGuy | cyzie, its a simple http file server sayif you wanted to share a file with friends. |
| 18:17.02 | davis | i am trying to apt-get install buzilla and mysql-server, and exim. Currently, I think mysql and exim are installed ok. However I can not get bugzilla to to connect to the mysql server. I get this message during the install "RROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YE" |
| 18:17.31 | DerJamster | davis: grant access to the DB by root@localhost, and set the pass. |
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| 18:17.56 | J|m_ | is the password for root set in the bugzilla config? |
| 18:17.56 | davis | DerJamster: how do I do that? |
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| 18:18.25 | kspath | davis: Read documentation |
| 18:18.34 | kspath | davis: mysqld documentation |
| 18:18.36 | J|m_ | Do you know the root password for mysql? |
| 18:18.37 | kspath | !barbie |
| 18:18.38 | dpkg | Reading the manual is HARD! Let's go shopping. |
| 18:18.52 | davis | J|m_: i think so. Duri ng the bugzilla install, it asks me for the mysql passwd. |
| 18:19.01 | davis | J|m_: Yes, I gave it. |
| 18:19.20 | jlaw | heyho ... i've a problem with alsa. i'm running etch and when i apt-get install alsa all folders and files get created but i lack the console commands (for example alsa-conf). so i purged alsa-base and alsa-utils, edited apt/sources.list to unstable and tried apt-get install alsa again. it seems to be working (at least i can execute alsa conf) but threre occurs an error http://pastebin.com/731334 |
| 18:19.20 | J|m_ | try mysql -u root -p from a command window and make sure root can get thre. |
| 18:19.35 | abrotman | !tell jlaw about alsa one-liner |
| 18:19.49 | davis | J|m_: nope. |
| 18:19.55 | davis | same message. |
| 18:20.13 | evil_andy | abrotman, well, I ran out of disk space, so I'm gonna delete, not mirror source, and go to my school where I can pull 3MB/s |
| 18:20.17 | J|m_ | How did you set the pw for mysql? |
| 18:20.20 | jlaw | abrotman ... i'll try that |
| 18:20.25 | abrotman | evil_andy: hehe .. nice |
| 18:20.37 | J|m_ | Or did you? |
| 18:20.42 | mantang0 | if I change sources.list to only include "testing" and then do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" will that change all the stable and unstable packages to testing? |
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| 18:20.45 | davis | J|m_: I set it when it installed. |
| 18:21.10 | davis | J|m_: also, i tried to look at your pastebin but it said the too many users and gave me a blank page. |
| 18:21.10 | J|m_ | You're sure you remembered it? |
| 18:21.30 | J|m_ | What distro? |
| 18:21.36 | davis | yes, I just installed it. debian ofcourse. |
| 18:21.46 | crypt_ex | My desktop doesnt seem to be giving a sharp image, any ideas how to get my monitor shaper. I have it set at 1024*768 with 85Hz,, I thought it was the fonts installed but am unsure now, using KDE by the way. |
| 18:21.48 | J|m_ | ok install phpmyadmin. |
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| 18:22.01 | J|m_ | Use it to inspect your privleges. |
| 18:22.21 | davis | dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-server does not ask me for the password settings again though. |
| 18:22.40 | jcole | is there a "newid" linux equiv? |
| 18:22.52 | J|m_ | What's newid do? |
| 18:23.15 | jlaw | abrotman ... that worked but i still get the same error, had you a look at pastebin? http://pastebin.com/731334 |
| 18:23.29 | abrotman | damn pastebin.com being broken |
| 18:23.29 | J|m_ | davis: I don't know if the reconfig will ask for a new pw or not. |
| 18:23.49 | davis | it appears not. |
| 18:24.02 | jlaw | abrotman, wait a sec ... i have it on my server |
| 18:24.03 | davis | i am installing the phpadmin tool. |
| 18:24.04 | J|m_ | OK install phpmyadmin. |
| 18:24.06 | J|m_ | OK |
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| 18:24.31 | jlaw | abrotman, http://donjesus.dyndns.org/apache2-default/alsa_prob.txt |
| 18:24.37 | J|m_ | phpmyadmin. Not phpadmin. |
| 18:25.35 | jcole | J|m_: it allows a specified user list to "newid" to another user without a password... works great for a shared user (that runs jobs, etc.) |
| 18:25.59 | J|m_ | you probably can use sudo to do that |
| 18:26.10 | abrotman | jlaw: i'm looking |
| 18:26.13 | jcole | J|m_: i was trying to think of how |
| 18:26.19 | jlaw | abrotman, k |
| 18:26.23 | J|m_ | I've not used it for that. but it might work. |
| 18:26.39 | abrotman | jlaw: is this your own kernel ? |
| 18:26.49 | jlaw | abrotman, yes it is |
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| 18:27.12 | abrotman | jlaw: well .. you missed something .. you have no snd module |
| 18:27.34 | jlaw | abrotman, yes and i have absolutely no idea why |
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| 18:28.10 | davis | J|m_: hmm. phpmyadmin supports any webserver, ... Which web server would you like to reconfigure"... are you sure this is for configuring mysql? |
| 18:28.18 | jlaw | abrotman, alsa worked with the same kernel config with an 2.6.16.16 on another install (also etch) |
| 18:28.32 | J|m_ | Sounds like you are installing phpadmin, not phpmyadmin. |
| 18:28.40 | davis | ok bummer |
| 18:29.12 | J|m_ | am I right? |
| 18:29.21 | davis | nope. i installed phpmyadmin |
| 18:29.45 | J|m_ | I've never had it ask me that. |
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| 18:29.55 | kspath | I doubt mysql documentation would be useful when configuring/useing mysqld |
| 18:29.55 | davis | but anyhow its installed. What next? |
| 18:30.14 | J|m_ | http://localhost/phpmyadmin most likely |
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| 18:30.33 | jlaw | abrotman ... and if you have a look at the part of the kernel config (at the end of the file) you see alsa(support) is completely compiled into the kernel |
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| 18:30.58 | davis | hmm. interesting. |
| 18:31.03 | J|m_ | Eh? |
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| 18:31.52 | davis | same error message as before. The one I see when I configure/install bugzilla, the one I tried to use on cmd line and now in myphpadmin webpage. |
| 18:32.22 | J|m_ | OK so you need to reset your password. |
| 18:32.28 | davis | ok. |
| 18:32.29 | J|m_ | Or try to get into |
| 18:32.42 | J|m_ | phpmysql by leaving the pw blank. |
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| 18:32.52 | J|m_ | phpmyadmin, that is. |
| 18:33.06 | davis | leaving it blank worked. |
| 18:33.09 | davis | weird |
| 18:33.16 | J|m_ | So you didn't set a password. |
| 18:33.20 | davis | i could have sworn i configured it to be differently. |
| 18:33.43 | J|m_ | OK, so now go to privleges and set the password for root@localhost to whatever you think it should be. |
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| 18:34.32 | jlaw | abrotman ... the point is that snd is no module but a folder containing modules |
| 18:35.03 | abrotman | jlaw: eh .. |
| 18:35.13 | axolx | hey guys. i'm in need of advice for setting up a US wide LAN for a client. anyone with experience/suggestions doing this? |
| 18:35.38 | robin_sz | openvpn is your friend |
| 18:35.39 | abrotman | jlaw: make sure all the OSS sound modules are unloaded before starting to do this |
| 18:36.12 | J|m_ | US wide LAN seems to be an oxymoron. |
| 18:36.15 | jlaw | abrotman ... oss support is even compiled into the kernel ... even modular |
| 18:36.38 | J|m_ | LAN Local Area Network, doesn't fit US Wide. ;) |
| 18:37.15 | jlaw | abrotman ... the error occurs when amixer is called ... but i have no idea why ... |
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| 18:37.49 | robin_sz | axolx, go and read up on openvpn. |
| 18:38.01 | jlaw | abrotman "Setting up ALSA...Invalid card number." |
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| 18:38.12 | davis | whoops |
| 18:38.24 | J|m_ | Robin, I suspect that'll do it. |
| 18:38.32 | J|m_ | Davis: what happened? |
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| 18:39.45 | davis | J|m_: I deleted my root user account. whoops! I have removed and purged the install. i'll try to reinstall it. |
| 18:39.57 | robin_sz | for anyone that cares 186K internet are the worst ISP I have ever had the misfortune to colo with |
| 18:40.02 | J|m_ | Not an advisable action. |
| 18:40.56 | davis | J|m_: even when uninstall it, and I try to reinstall it. It does ask me for the password again or give me the config settings dialogs again. |
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| 18:43.07 | jlaw | abrotman ... already getting xorg to run with the nvidia driver was a cramp ... but this alsa stuff is the tick it. i think about installing dos again while i'm buying cigarets !-) |
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| 18:52.48 | cyzie | when cronjob done its job, it will send an email notify the user, right? how do i specify which email to send to ? |
| 18:53.45 | stew | cyzie: man 5 crontab |
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| 18:56.00 | valdyn | cyzie: no, cron doesnt 'when a job is done' |
| 18:56.08 | valdyn | cyzie: no, cron doesnt send a mail 'when a job is done' |
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| 18:57.15 | cyzie | valdyn, okay. how can i specify which email to send to after cron complete its job ? |
| 18:57.24 | stew | cyzie: man 5 crontab |
| 18:57.34 | valdyn | cyzie: you cant do that |
| 18:58.19 | valdyn | cyzie: you can let sending an email be part of the job, or you can just let cron send to root _if_ there's any output by that job |
| 18:58.32 | cyzie | valdyn, In addition to LOGNAME, HOME, and SHELL, cron(8) will look at MAILTO if it has any reason to send mail as a result of running commands in ``this'' crontab. |
| 18:58.32 | cyzie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.32 | cyzie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:58.46 | stew | cyzie: please don't flood the channel like that |
| 18:58.54 | cyzie | stew, sorry |
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| 19:06.36 | jlaw | abrotman are you here? |
| 19:06.58 | stew | !abrotmoo |
| 19:06.59 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 19:07.20 | davis | J|m_: still here? |
| 19:07.27 | jlaw | !seen abrotman |
| 19:07.27 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (5h 42m 17s). Has said a total of 48 messages. Is idling for 31m 48s, last said: 'jlaw: make sure all the OSS sound modules are unloaded before starting to do this'. |
| 19:07.41 | stew | total of 48? hah! |
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| 19:08.15 | jlaw | !seen stew |
| 19:08.15 | dpkg | stew is currently on #debian #debian-ops. Has said a total of 46 messages. Is idling for 34s, last said: 'total of 48? hah!'. |
| 19:08.23 | davis | !seen J|m_ |
| 19:08.24 | dpkg | j|m_ is currently on #debian (1h 1m 32s). Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 28m 21s, last said: 'Not an advisable action.'. |
| 19:08.26 | jlaw | 46? hah!-) |
| 19:08.59 | sparr | what is a program i can use to identify media files? id like to know the bitrate of my mp3s and oggs, the video and audio codecs of my movies, subtitle languages, etc etc |
| 19:09.25 | stew | sparr: try "file /path/to/file" |
| 19:09.30 | sparr | stew: no. |
| 19:10.00 | abrotman | jlaw: yep .. was away |
| 19:10.30 | abrotman | jlaw: but do oyu want OSS ? |
| 19:10.58 | r121 | is there a way I can identify packages that no other packages depend on so I might be able to remove some unused packages? |
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| 19:11.12 | stew | r121: use deborphan or debfoster |
| 19:11.36 | r121 | stew: thanks |
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| 19:13.26 | ryan` | anyone have any opinion of freecdb vs tinycdb? |
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| 19:13.31 | jlaw | abrotman, no i want oss to be emulated by alsa |
| 19:13.34 | xglwanter | hello folks |
| 19:13.52 | abrotman | jlaw: that's different than have the actual OSS drivers . there's a section for OSS emulation in the alsa stuff |
| 19:13.57 | pedro_ | . |
| 19:14.01 | abrotman | xglwanter: Xgl isn't yet in debian |
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| 19:14.24 | jlaw | abrotman ... i'm currently recompiling the kernel, i deselected every card module except the nvidia one ... i don't think it will help but it's worth a try |
| 19:14.30 | xglwanter | anybody knows if i can install with netinst using apt-cacher or apt-cache as proxy? |
| 19:14.53 | xglwanter | *apt-proxy |
| 19:15.21 | jlaw | abrotman, i know ... i have selected oss emulation in the alsa section ... i'm not used to alsa but i am used to compile kernels !-) |
| 19:15.43 | abrotman | xglwanter: i believe you can |
| 19:16.04 | abrotman | jlaw: lsmod | grep snd |
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| 19:16.30 | xglwanter | abrotman: well and what must i put when the installer demands the debian mirror? |
| 19:16.46 | jlaw | abrotman, snd is in /dev/, but it's a directory containing several modules |
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| 19:16.50 | abrotman | the url for your apt-cache |
| 19:16.59 | abrotman | jlaw: i think that's right |
| 19:17.54 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 19:17.57 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 19:17.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 19:17.58 | xglwanter | abrotman: i have apt-cacher running for already installed systems and i've found lost of info on how to configure sources.list but there is nothing about how to do it from installation |
| 19:18.09 | xglwanter | *lots |
| 19:18.18 | abrotman | xglwanter: when it asks you for an http source.. use yours .. afaik anyways |
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| 19:18.38 | ricky_clarkson | fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_07-linux-i586.bin |
| 19:18.44 | ricky_clarkson | No matching plugin was found. |
| 19:18.47 | ricky_clarkson | Any suggestions? |
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| 19:18.54 | formorer | ricky_clarkson: sarge? |
| 19:18.57 | ricky_clarkson | etch. |
| 19:19.04 | jlaw | abrotman, all checked ... ldmod | grep snd gives me snd_intel8x0 30492 0 |
| 19:19.05 | formorer | hm |
| 19:19.07 | jlaw | snd_ac97_codec 83616 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 19:19.09 | jlaw | snd_ac97_bus 2304 1 snd_ac97_codec |
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| 19:20.16 | snd-ca0106 | hi there's a way to make xkbvleds display status of Scroll lock ? |
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| 19:21.00 | jlaw | abrotman ... i'm now compiling my device driver into the kernel so no module has to be loaded ... i give it a try and if it does not work i'll be here again |
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| 19:21.19 | xglwanter | abrotman: well, i usually use already configured mirrors on the installer, can u tell me an example of how could it be? i mean what to put the line where i must tell the "custom" debian mirror |
| 19:21.19 | abrotman | jlaw: that secondone .. i think is the OSS driver |
| 19:21.39 | abrotman | xglwanter: http://<url>/<path>/ ? |
| 19:21.49 | abrotman | xglwanter: try #debian-boot on oftc |
| 19:21.59 | jlaw | abrotman ... i don't think so, oss is not installed at all, even my kernel supports it |
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| 19:24.04 | xglwanter | abrotman: i tried http://192.168.0.20/apt-cacher/ but didn't worked |
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| 19:25.38 | blondie | xglwanter: http://192.168.0.20:9999 |
| 19:26.27 | blondie | deb http://kronos:9999/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 19:26.28 | blondie | deb-src http://kronos:9999/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 19:26.36 | blondie | that's what I have on this box |
| 19:26.55 | superlinux | how can I kill zombie prcesses? |
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| 19:27.08 | xglwanter | blondie: why that port? |
| 19:27.19 | Lin | superlinux, reboot |
| 19:27.20 | blondie | xglwanter: that's the port it uses by default |
| 19:27.46 | snd-ca0106 | hi there's a way to make xkbvleds display status of Scroll lock ? |
| 19:27.48 | Lin | superlinux, they are zombie because they are already dead, but they forgot to stop to walk ;-) |
| 19:27.54 | superlinux | Lin, did not work |
| 19:28.03 | xglwanter | blondie: i read that uses 3142 |
| 19:28.07 | superlinux | Lin, did not work using reboot |
| 19:28.19 | Lin | superlinux, reboot didn't work? then you havent a zombie. you have an immortal process! |
| 19:28.19 | blondie | xglwanter: maybe I changed it, dunno |
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| 19:28.28 | Lin | LOL! |
| 19:28.28 | blondie | xglwanter: nmap the machine or use netstat -an to see |
| 19:28.40 | Edwin_Quijada | How can install .deb |
| 19:28.42 | superlinux | eff! |
| 19:28.53 | Lin | Edwin_Quijada, dpkg -i |
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| 19:29.55 | xglwanter | blondie: is the port called caemon_port in /etc/apt-cacher/apt-cacher.conf isn't it? |
| 19:29.58 | superlinux | Lin, how to get rid of that process |
| 19:30.11 | xglwanter | *daemon_port |
| 19:30.11 | mnrdknn | where do i find sid images for download? |
| 19:30.15 | Lin | superlinux, patience, garlic and praying. |
| 19:30.18 | mnrdknn | (using amd64) |
| 19:30.21 | blondie | xglwanter: actually I'm using apt-cache not apt-cacher |
| 19:30.30 | Lin | superlinux, you havent.. just wait them die.. |
| 19:30.33 | blondie | is that different? |
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| 19:30.48 | superlinux | Lin, for how long? |
| 19:31.02 | Lin | superlinux, I dont know.. zombies are already dead |
| 19:31.17 | xglwanter | blondie: dunno, but thanks, u have lighted my mind |
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| 19:31.46 | superlinux | what I have 2 stuck processes and I cant run squid on the md0 device |
| 19:32.16 | Lin | superlinux, reboot if you can. |
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| 19:32.33 | Lin | superlinux, fuser to watch what can be happening. |
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| 19:32.53 | axolx | hey guys. what are options for having mirrored disks that are always up to date? |
| 19:33.01 | Lin | axolx, raid-1 |
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| 19:34.12 | axolx | Lin: thanks. do you have any links for me to read up? |
| 19:34.25 | Lin | google it for linux raid howto |
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| 19:35.28 | axolx | Link: thanks. would this work in a situation where there's a master server and clients around the country? |
| 19:35.40 | axolx | s/Link/Lin |
| 19:36.01 | Lin | axolx, you want to do it in network? |
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| 19:36.14 | Lin | axolx, then raid-1 will not help you. |
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| 19:37.28 | kingspawn | Hm, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't write to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, anyone know where it puts the stuff? X worked after running it, but I cant find the config file |
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| 19:37.49 | axolx | Lin: yes. this is not so much for backup. it's for differnt offices to access a set of files locally, kept up to date in a server |
| 19:37.59 | dabreegster | kingspawn: Did you modify the file before? If you have, you have to do this thing with the md5sum, forget the dpkg factoid trigger |
| 19:38.09 | dabreegster | !drxx |
| 19:38.10 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 19:38.25 | dabreegster | kingspawn: Yeah, /msg dpkg xmd5 if you edited it by hand |
| 19:38.28 | Lin | axolx, this is not backup.. you asked for redundancy.. for backup and syncronization, unison can do it. |
| 19:38.40 | kingspawn | dabreegster: Heh, well, it's not there at all. Does xmd5 still apply? |
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| 19:39.07 | dabreegster | kingspawn: You have no file there at all? Dunno, maybe. |
| 19:39.10 | Lin | axolx, I do this on my company. I have a main user repository and use unison to sync data across offices.. Works flawlessly, I sync every night.. |
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| 19:39.49 | kingspawn | dabreegster: Heh, and the info on xmd5 talks about XFree-files, which aren't there at all.. |
| 19:40.13 | dabreegster | kingspawn: Well you won't have those if you're using xorg |
| 19:40.32 | axolx | Lin: that's exactly what im looking for. does unison allow for repositories to be kept up to date constantly? (i.e. one location changes one file locally, so that gets updated to the server and to any client who wants to work on that file?) |
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| 19:41.06 | kingspawn | dabreegster: Holy, what is this with md5summing my X-stuff? |
| 19:41.25 | Lin | axolx, if you want a REAL time sync, you should use a distributed file system as coda or afs |
| 19:41.38 | dabreegster | kingspawn: It's just so dpkg-reconfigure can know whether to generate the new file or something |
| 19:41.45 | stew | kingspawn: /msg dpkg xorgmd5 |
| 19:41.51 | dabreegster | kingspawn: If you've changed stuff yourself manually, it doesn't want to overwrite that |
| 19:42.35 | axolx | Lin: ok i'll look into thos FS. so unison works routinely like through cron? |
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| 19:43.16 | Lin | axolx, exactly |
| 19:43.17 | kingspawn | stew: Yeah, I sort of figured out that one on my own. Already did what dpkg tells me about xorgmd5, still no go with the reconfigure |
| 19:43.41 | Lin | axolx, first you have to know how much time did you accept between syncs. |
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| 19:44.08 | wireddd | hmm I am getting 71% packet loss when I try and ping anything, I can't browse and websites, yet irc is still connected |
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| 19:44.50 | dabreegster | wireddd: Someone in #perl said lots of things are down for him too |
| 19:44.55 | Lin | wireddd, irc is devil tainted! |
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| 19:45.05 | axolx | Lin: is coda stable enough to deploy? the website makes it sound like it still needs time |
| 19:45.15 | Lin | axolx, yes. it is. |
| 19:45.30 | Lin | axolx, isn't too simple to deploy but works flawlessly. |
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| 19:47.59 | axolx | Lin: once it's setup, clients just mount a drive and work on it like any regular drive? or do they need to learn about coda to use mounts? |
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| 19:48.12 | Lin | clients you say.. users? |
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| 19:50.09 | Lin | the coda fs can be user on servers only and shared by a cifs share to users. |
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| 19:50.43 | axolx | Lin: yes, i meant users . i think coda is what i need. i'll look further into it |
| 19:50.52 | Bitz | what is the different between ide-smart and smartctl? |
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| 19:51.19 | Lin | axolx, ok.. |
| 19:51.35 | axolx | Lin: thanks for the help. extremely useful |
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| 19:52.06 | Lin | axolx, be welcome! |
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| 19:53.13 | jlaw | -.- |
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| 19:58.07 | axolx | Lin: one more question. do you know what it takes to mount AFS shares on windows? do users see CIFS shares? |
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| 19:58.17 | Lin | AFS is afs, cifs is cifs. there is no compatibility between them. |
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| 19:58.26 | Lin | afaik there is afs client for windows. |
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| 19:59.11 | Lin | but I didn't use windows.. then I don't know |
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| 19:59.36 | danteamh | hi guys |
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| 20:00.54 | danteamh | I had asked on qnet #debian, i have accidently deleted the /var/lib/dpkg/info directory can anyone advise me if i can sort this without a system reinstall? |
| 20:00.58 | danteamh | have* |
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| 20:02.36 | xglwanter | what are the numbers below "used by" column in lsmod? |
| 20:03.12 | Lin | danteamh, I dont think so. But you can copy from another host if you use the same version.. There is no easy and perfect way to do it |
| 20:03.24 | danteamh | i have tried that :( |
| 20:03.34 | Lin | danteamh, dpkg -l works? |
| 20:03.40 | danteamh | give me a second |
| 20:03.48 | Lin | danteamh, dpkg --get-selections works? |
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| 20:04.10 | danteamh | yeah dpkg -l lists packages its just when i try to remove them it spams errors |
| 20:04.16 | danteamh | saying it cant find etc |
| 20:04.21 | Lin | danteamh, of course. |
| 20:04.34 | danteamh | yeah that cmd also works |
| 20:04.37 | danteamh | the second one |
| 20:04.37 | Lin | danteamh, you can reinstall all packages. I think that will fix |
| 20:04.51 | danteamh | any ideas on how to do hat? |
| 20:04.53 | danteamh | that* |
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| 20:04.58 | Lin | reinstall |
| 20:05.11 | Lin | --reinstall |
| 20:05.20 | Lin | apt-get --reinstall |
| 20:05.25 | danteamh | right |
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| 20:05.33 | danteamh | here goes |
| 20:06.01 | optraz | hello, im looking for a small/lightweight password manager. both CLI/GUI is okay |
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| 20:06.17 | Lin | im being so kind today! I have to destroy some worlds! |
| 20:06.24 | danteamh | heh |
| 20:06.30 | seb- | .ssh/authorized_hosts needs *host* public key or *users's* public key? |
| 20:06.31 | danteamh | those commands didn;t work :\ |
| 20:06.37 | Lin | apt-get? |
| 20:06.40 | danteamh | yeah |
| 20:06.44 | Tallu | seb-: users |
| 20:06.46 | Lin | what it says? |
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| 20:06.59 | seb- | Tallu: then why called authorized_HOSTS? |
| 20:07.01 | danteamh | it justs lists the apt help etc |
| 20:07.24 | Lin | then you have to get your /var/cache/apt/archives and install them with dpkg -i |
| 20:07.32 | Lin | try with one to see if works |
| 20:07.33 | danteamh | ok |
| 20:07.34 | Tallu | actually, isnt it authorized_keys.. sorry |
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| 20:07.53 | seb- | Tallu: oh, my mistake,,,thanks! |
| 20:08.15 | g333k | OT- Does somebody has problems to connect with aMSN? I receive an error "wrong password or account", but I can connect from winbugs using their MSN client or Mercury Messenger |
| 20:08.21 | Tallu | seb-: you're welcome. :) |
| 20:08.29 | eastwood | g333k, tktls package |
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| 20:08.40 | eastwood | g333k, and try using the cvs version |
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| 20:08.55 | danteamh | well it unpacked and installed apache2 |
| 20:09.00 | danteamh | with the dpkg -i command |
| 20:09.12 | Lin | danteamh, it created the info files to apache2? |
| 20:09.14 | g333k | eastwood, so theres an issue with that |
| 20:09.27 | danteamh | gimmie a second |
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| 20:10.03 | Administrator | !nfs |
| 20:10.03 | dpkg | nfs is probably Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 20:10.10 | cd_rom | hi all, i got a dvd of debian etch testing and in install state, i got error like unable to load installer and it stops and let me choose other step in install process |
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| 20:10.19 | eastwood | g333k, i believe there is, but the cvs version is pretty stable imho |
| 20:10.31 | Administrator | I want to read and write in my debian /home directory from my windows client machine. How can this be done? |
| 20:10.41 | g333k | eastwood, how do I install the cvs version? the same way a .deb? |
| 20:10.51 | eastwood | Administrator, ftp ? |
| 20:10.52 | optraz | hello, im looking for a small/lightweight password manager. both CLI/GUI is okay. anyone can recommend? |
| 20:11.01 | Administrator | eastwood, it has to be mounted 24/7 |
| 20:11.07 | Administrator | eastwood, like a network share |
| 20:11.23 | Administrator | eastwood, I was thinking more like nfs or samba. I want to get more information on nfs. |
| 20:11.25 | eastwood | g333k, no you gotta compile it, but it's pretty easy |
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| 20:11.31 | eastwood | you need some dev package tho |
| 20:11.31 | danteamh | unable to create updated files list file for package apache2: No such file or directory |
| 20:11.32 | danteamh | gah |
| 20:11.36 | cd_rom | and i like to be able to partitioning my hard disk manually, but it just let me do a automatic hard disk partition which with a warning that it is gonna wipe out the enter hard disk |
| 20:11.44 | danteamh | this gets worse, lol |
| 20:11.46 | cd_rom | any advice? |
| 20:11.50 | g333k | eastwood, there's no "tktls" pkg |
| 20:12.57 | Lin | mkdir /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 20:13.01 | Lin | and reinstall |
| 20:13.14 | eastwood | g333k, tcltls |
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| 20:13.27 | danteamh | i did think tor re-create that dir |
| 20:13.33 | g333k | eastwood, I have it installed |
| 20:13.39 | eastwood | Administrator, my ftp is mounted 24/7 :P |
| 20:13.56 | danteamh | when you say reinstall is that to dpkg -i all those packages? |
| 20:13.59 | danteamh | sorry :) |
| 20:13.59 | eastwood | but nfs aint supported in window i believe |
| 20:14.03 | eastwood | you gotta use samba |
| 20:14.13 | Lin | danteamh, yes. |
| 20:14.16 | eastwood | g333k, then get the cvs_version |
| 20:14.24 | danteamh | ok |
| 20:14.25 | eastwood | and read README.txt |
| 20:14.25 | Lin | for PKG in $( dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1); do echo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/${PKG}*.deb ; done |
| 20:14.27 | danteamh | thanks :) |
| 20:14.29 | Lin | this can help. |
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| 20:15.00 | Lin | with echo it will display the commands, remove the ECHO and it will execute the commands. |
| 20:15.11 | danteamh | right it created the apache info file in the /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 20:15.14 | danteamh | which is good |
| 20:15.23 | Lin | danteamh, good luck! ;-) |
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| 20:15.41 | Lin | danteamh, try a apt-get upgrade --reinstall again |
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| 20:15.53 | Lin | if didn't works go for the worse way |
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| 20:16.18 | stranger | hi all |
| 20:16.45 | stranger | I just run alscaconfig and everything seems ok but still I can not get sounf working |
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| 20:17.00 | danteamh | ok |
| 20:17.05 | Lin | stranger, that is not everything is ok . |
| 20:17.09 | Lin | danteamh, reinstall is working? |
| 20:17.22 | stranger | reinstall what? |
| 20:17.40 | _RvGaTe | stoned, talk to me |
| 20:17.42 | Lin | stranger, I have talked with danteamh about reinstall ;-) |
| 20:17.47 | stoned | you have a _ |
| 20:17.49 | stoned | thats not fair |
| 20:18.07 | stranger | it is working with another user in the same computer though |
| 20:18.18 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 20:18.28 | stoned | lol |
| 20:19.52 | stranger | in kmix I got no mixer is available |
| 20:20.36 | stranger | both users belong to audio group |
| 20:20.37 | stew | stranger: is your user in the audio group? ("groups" will tell you) |
| 20:20.49 | ricky_clarkson | fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_07-linux-i586.bin |
| 20:21.04 | ricky_clarkson | "No matching plugin was found." Any suggestions? |
| 20:21.04 | danteamh | i have reinstalled every .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives folder |
| 20:21.14 | danteamh | that reinstall command doesn't steem to be working though |
| 20:21.38 | stew | ricky_clarkson: hmm double check that jdk-1_5_0_07-linux-i586.bin matches one of the regexs in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
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| 20:23.15 | ricky_clarkson | jdk-1_5_0_[0-9][0-9]-linux-i586.bin appears to match that. |
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| 20:24.36 | blondie | is it possible to get output from a program to go a file and also to stdout? |
| 20:24.47 | Vasistha | blondie: you can use tee |
| 20:25.00 | blondie | o.O |
| 20:25.13 | stranger | stew, groups show nothing but kuser shows it is added |
| 20:25.14 | Vasistha | blondie: echo "hi" | tee outputfile # note no > is needed |
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| 20:25.26 | stew | stranger: log out and back in |
| 20:25.32 | blondie | ah cool thanks |
| 20:25.52 | Lin | danteamh, your environment is sane again? |
| 20:25.53 | bernie | hello, I am running a debian unstanble and I would like to dist-upgrade but I don't want to use mysql-common ( cf packages.debian.org this is mysql 5), how can I do for upgrade without mysql5 ? |
| 20:25.54 | stew | ricky_clarkson: dunno then. that's odd |
| 20:26.11 | stranger | ok |
| 20:26.15 | danteamh | i don;t know |
| 20:26.15 | stranger | thanks stew |
| 20:26.19 | Aubustou | i have a problem: my server has become suddently very slow |
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| 20:26.38 | Lin | bernie, just hold mysql |
| 20:26.52 | Aubustou | apache2 seems to shut down |
| 20:26.56 | g333k | eastwood, where do I get the cvs version from? the main page of amsn? |
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| 20:27.10 | bernie | Lin: how I do that ? |
| 20:27.11 | Aubustou | and, well, i don't knwo where i must find |
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| 20:27.28 | eastwood | g333k, in the development section |
| 20:27.30 | Lin | echo mysql-common hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 20:27.38 | bernie | thx Lin |
| 20:27.47 | schemebow | Does Opera has an auto-scroll feature like Firefox? |
| 20:28.16 | schemebow | *have |
| 20:28.19 | daemox | i closed my tab list in xchat2 how i open them back up? |
| 20:28.40 | bernie | how yes very funny thx Lin |
| 20:28.48 | bernie | how/oh |
| 20:28.53 | Lin | bernie, worked? |
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| 20:29.03 | bernie | Lin yess |
| 20:29.20 | Lin | bernie, be welcome.. debian is a good thing! |
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| 20:29.40 | bernie | Lin, yes ;) |
| 20:29.49 | Lin | Im really very kind today! I will leave.. |
| 20:30.04 | cd_rom | does anyone care to give me an advice about install debian etch? |
| 20:30.11 | yang | I get CPU HOG randomly at 99% using Xorg, I have geforce 4 nvidia card and I use "nv" driver |
| 20:30.25 | Lin | cd_rom, dont do meta questions.. just ask! |
| 20:31.06 | cd_rom | well, i got dvd image of debian etch and try to install it in my box but it seems that it was unable to load some installers |
| 20:31.23 | Lin | cd_rom, be specific. |
| 20:31.28 | kspath | cd_rom: some drivers? |
| 20:31.35 | cd_rom | nope, installers |
| 20:31.58 | Lin | cd_rom, your dvd loader is working? your dvd media is fine? |
| 20:32.04 | cd_rom | yeah |
| 20:32.12 | Lin | cd_rom, how did you know? |
| 20:32.19 | cd_rom | lol |
| 20:32.23 | cd_rom | it works just fine |
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| 20:32.32 | cd_rom | i burn stuff... on it |
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| 20:33.03 | Lin | but which "installer" isn't working? what happen? why you cannot install debian? |
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| 20:33.41 | cd_rom | Lin: i didnt write the whole thing down cause it was a long list |
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| 20:33.53 | Lin | what happens? |
| 20:33.55 | cd_rom | but it appears to me that they have 2.4.7 kernel version |
| 20:34.06 | Lin | did you have installed debian before? |
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| 20:34.14 | cd_rom | then it let me pick the installers manually |
| 20:34.27 | cd_rom | Lin: yes, i was running debian sarge 3.1 |
| 20:34.52 | Lin | cd_rom, I never used etch installer.. it's like sarge installer? |
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| 20:35.05 | kspath | !tell cd_rom about sarge->etch |
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| 20:35.39 | Lin | !tell lin about sarge->etch |
| 20:35.53 | cd_rom | then it comes to network configure stage, i didnt use any not work card so it just quit and let me choose the install process |
| 20:35.56 | stoned | !tell lin -about msg the bot |
| 20:35.59 | concept10 | Anyone know about an GNOME app thats close to Quicksilver on OS X? |
| 20:36.02 | cd_rom | or steps |
| 20:36.08 | Lin | stoned, I know the bot ;-) |
| 20:36.15 | amphi | concept10: what is quicksilver? |
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| 20:36.30 | cd_rom | Lin, kspath: i know etch is not official |
| 20:36.57 | cd_rom | so some features are still inherite from sarge |
| 20:37.11 | concept10 | amphi, app switcher/launcher |
| 20:37.55 | cd_rom | i chose partition hard disk process and the only option was automatic paritiion the hard disk which wipe out the whole hard disk |
| 20:38.16 | amphi | concept10: dunno - I use grun as a launcher, which is reasonably pleasant |
| 20:38.20 | cd_rom | there is no manual hard disk partition isn etch? |
| 20:38.23 | cd_rom | in* |
| 20:38.35 | Lin | ALT+F2 fdisk ;-) |
| 20:38.56 | concept10 | amphi, grun? |
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| 20:39.25 | amphi | concept10: yes, grun, a program launcher with completion and so on |
| 20:39.28 | PhinnFort | where can i get the .config used to build the kernel that comes with debian? |
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| 20:39.38 | cd_rom | well, in sarge, installer let me choose to partition the hard disk right? |
| 20:39.51 | PhinnFort | i just need to build an external module, and i don't want to recompile the whole shebang |
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| 20:40.32 | christor | Hi guys |
| 20:40.41 | PhinnFort | hi |
| 20:40.49 | christor | I have to change the name of an accouts. Is it possible? |
| 20:41.12 | eastwood | it is |
| 20:41.15 | cd_rom | Lin: i'll try that |
| 20:41.16 | PhinnFort | look in /etc/passwd |
| 20:41.28 | concept10 | amphi, thanks, im looking into it |
| 20:41.36 | PhinnFort | christor: |
| 20:41.36 | cd_rom | thanks kspath, Lin |
| 20:41.43 | christor | PhinnFort: You think I can rename it in the passwd file? |
| 20:41.48 | PhinnFort | try |
| 20:41.52 | Edwin_Quijada | which package is for nfs service |
| 20:41.53 | Edwin_Quijada | nfs-kernel-server - Kernel NFS server support |
| 20:41.54 | Edwin_Quijada | nfs-user-server - User space NFS server |
| 20:42.06 | Lin | both |
| 20:42.07 | PhinnFort | Edwin_Quijada: use the userspace one |
| 20:42.09 | christor | PhinnFort: hehe my prob this is a macine in Production using NIS server |
| 20:42.11 | PhinnFort | it's safer |
| 20:42.17 | ricky_clarkson | stew: My issue was the chroot again, I ran make-jpkg from my sarge environment (not that java-package is installable in sarge, I had to grab it from the chroot's filesystem). |
| 20:42.18 | christor | PhinnFort: I can t change like that |
| 20:42.22 | PhinnFort | christor: that makes it worse... |
| 20:42.26 | ricky_clarkson | ..and it worked. |
| 20:42.39 | concept10 | amphi, is that different than the deafult one that comes with nome? |
| 20:42.40 | Edwin_Quijada | PhinnFort: Thks! |
| 20:42.43 | concept10 | *gnome |
| 20:42.47 | amphi | concept10: no idea |
| 20:42.48 | stew | ricky_clarkson: it is installable in sarge |
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| 20:43.39 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Aha. |
| 20:43.51 | ricky_clarkson | Well, problem solved now but I'll look at that anyway. |
| 20:44.26 | stew | actually it looks like debian-unofficial pulled their java packages |
| 20:44.35 | robin_sz | sigh ... I seem to have managed to colo at the worlds worst ISP :( |
| 20:44.53 | christor | PhinnFort: it works proerly ;) |
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| 20:45.23 | PhinnFort | heh |
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| 20:46.55 | mz_work | stew: hmm i think they were there just 2 days ago - wonder what's up.... |
| 20:46.58 | robin_sz | stew, where those the GNU java packages? |
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| 20:48.07 | stew | robin_sz: no, debian-unofficial.org used to have sun java .debs |
| 20:48.17 | robin_sz | right |
| 20:48.32 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe they mistakenly thought that Debian was going to include them properly. ;) |
| 20:48.41 | robin_sz | would have been nice |
| 20:48.45 | PhinnFort | is the islsm driver available in precompiled form from anywhere? |
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| 20:49.21 | stew | panthera: what happened to the sun-java .debs on d-unofficial.org? |
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| 20:52.02 | codehead | what do I need to do in order to get my environment variables to stay?? I use "export " with the variable I want, but I want to be able to not have to do that every time I open up a shell. (I am trying to get JMF working.) |
| 20:52.35 | Coweater | put it in your ~/.bashrc (or whatever shell you use) |
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| 20:52.41 | panthera | stew: removed, there was an upload to sid.. |
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| 20:55.04 | nvz | hmm I thought I was in #debian-overflow for a minute |
| 20:55.11 | blondie | :O |
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| 20:55.14 | nvz | don't everyone talk at once now |
| 20:55.27 | nvz | </sarcasm> |
| 20:55.30 | Tallu | nvz: now everyone is afraid to talk :P |
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| 20:55.59 | jade | if a router is down in the hop list reported by traceroute, is there a way to reroute our network traffic? |
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| 20:56.12 | nvz | thats fine I'd rather go eat dinner anyhow :P |
| 20:56.26 | blondie | jade: well that's the whole idea of the internet |
| 20:56.27 | stoned | dinner, at thsi time |
| 20:56.31 | codehead | coweater: do I just put it at the end of the file? |
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| 20:56.53 | jade | blondie, the traffic is not being rerouted |
| 20:57.04 | blondie | is there more than one route it can take? |
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| 20:57.16 | jade | blondie, yes |
| 20:57.26 | blondie | maybe an intermediate router is misconfigured |
| 20:57.27 | kspath | jade: Did you tell the router? |
| 20:57.29 | nvz | more importantly how close to you is this downed route.. is it in your building, or ISP |
| 20:57.37 | Coweater | codehead: yes, it'll be executed just like a shell script |
| 20:57.54 | jade | kspath, the router is not accessible to me. |
| 20:58.27 | robin_sz | then, effectively, to you, ther is not other path it can take |
| 20:58.33 | stew | panthera: ahh, ok, thanks |
| 20:58.36 | codehead | Coweater: thank you. |
| 20:59.09 | jade | kspath, shizer |
| 20:59.20 | nvz | I've been online for a half an hour or so before I decided to come in here.. thats odd.. I must have been too caught up in my research |
| 20:59.44 | kspath | jade: whater? |
| 21:00.29 | jade | that's german for 'shit!' |
| 21:00.32 | nvz | I decided to use why I would consider RMS something of a hero as the topic for an essay I have to write.. I was pulling some resources for my bibliography :P |
| 21:01.05 | nvz | I would probably have more fun writing about why he's crazy but thats not the scope of my assignment |
| 21:01.45 | g333k | To install the cvs version of aMSN first I need to uninstall the old version I have? |
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| 21:02.12 | nvz | g333k: not nessicarily but its probably a good idea to avoid confusion |
| 21:02.29 | robin_sz | I think I went off RMS this week, after that interview on Groklaw |
| 21:02.35 | nvz | g333k: you would just build it separately in /opt or something |
| 21:02.46 | kspath | jade: What kind of german is that? |
| 21:03.08 | g333k | nvz, If I want to make a deb pkg, instead of "make install" should I run "make deb" ? or both of the commands |
| 21:03.31 | nvz | robin_sz: yeah I had a look at his personal website and some of his current crusades and raised my brow once or twice |
| 21:04.01 | nvz | g333k: haha, thats funny.. if only things worked that way. |
| 21:04.25 | g333k | nvz, excuse me? |
| 21:04.44 | robin_sz | nvz, my view has always been that free and closed software both have a part to play. this week he said "proprietary software is an antisocial practice. one we aim to end" |
| 21:04.46 | nvz | g333k: I think you would use dh-make but I am not really someone to ask about such things cause I am not a DD and only packages I have made were kernel-packages and java-packages with help of the handy utils for those purposes |
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| 21:05.24 | nvz | g333k: I highly doubt the cvs code for aMSN comes with a target called "deb" that jsut so happens to make debian packages |
| 21:05.37 | izut | hi there. what is the address of the debian's pre-compiled perl modules repository? |
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| 21:05.56 | PhinnFort | if i just want to compile and external module against the kernel, what should i get? |
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| 21:06.13 | robin_sz | nvz, or something close to that |
| 21:06.13 | SmallR2003 | hi :) |
| 21:06.14 | SmallR2003 | could anyone help me compile a kernel using distcc? |
| 21:06.29 | nvz | robin_sz: ever since I learned of stallman and 'free' software I havent been able to realize any such need for proprietary software |
| 21:06.55 | ben42 | how can i get the netblock owner on the console if i have a specific IP? |
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| 21:06.59 | g333k | nvz, I'm reaging the install instructions:"You can also create a .deb and .rpm package by launching respectively the command: make deb............" |
| 21:07.06 | g333k | reading* |
| 21:07.23 | nvz | robin_sz: sure you need companies with some funding, deadlines, and in general an agenda to push the envelope of technology.. but that too can be done in an open or "free as in freedom" (as stallman says) fashion |
| 21:07.35 | stew | PhinnFort: the -headers package for your running kernel and build-essential and fakeroot. what module are you trying ot build? |
| 21:07.47 | PhinnFort | islsm |
| 21:07.56 | nvz | g333k: well then you know more than I, I suppose |
| 21:08.06 | PhinnFort | http://jbnote.free.fr |
| 21:08.23 | robin_sz | nvz, there is still a place for it, for example very specific and extensive applications that have high value, but need hundreds of hours of developemnt for a user base of say 2 people |
| 21:08.35 | stew | PhinnFort: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:08.52 | PhinnFort | 2.6.15-1 |
| 21:08.56 | robin_sz | nvz, for those sort of things, paying for it and keeping it to yourself makes sense |
| 21:09.02 | nvz | robin_sz: if they have a userbase of 2 people then what harm could it do giving them the source and lisc |
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| 21:09.28 | nvz | robin_sz: in most cases the person willing to pay for software in the first place isnt interested in the code |
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| 21:09.49 | yipstar | hello |
| 21:09.57 | yipstar | i'm trying to get the openssl dev headers on my box |
| 21:10.02 | robin_sz | nvz, well, what about if you have a competitor in the market, who also has a ptoetnetilal userbasee of 2 people? |
| 21:10.04 | yipstar | what apt package do i need? |
| 21:10.08 | stew | PhinnFort: oh thats a kernel you compiled? did you compile it with make-kpkg? |
| 21:10.10 | kspath | jade: What kind of german is that? |
| 21:10.39 | jade | kspath, eh ? |
| 21:10.39 | PhinnFort | stew: no |
| 21:11.10 | PhinnFort | stew: 2.6.15-1-486 to be exact |
| 21:11.14 | stew | oh |
| 21:11.22 | PhinnFort | just installed it |
| 21:11.33 | PhinnFort | testing |
| 21:11.38 | nvz | robin_sz: competiton should be waged in the form of customer service and ingenuity, not in the form of impeding human knowledge |
| 21:11.56 | stew | PhinnFort: in that case, apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.15-1.486 build-essential ; and your kernel headers will be installed to /lib/modules/2.6.15-1.486/build |
| 21:12.09 | kspath | jade: The word you claimed was German. What kind of German was that? |
| 21:12.09 | PhinnFort | stew: ok |
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| 21:12.25 | PhinnFort | möse? |
| 21:12.25 | jade | kspath, i don't know. |
| 21:12.41 | robin_sz | nvz, errm, yes, well, you probably havent run a business, but thats not how the world works |
| 21:12.41 | jade | kspath, the kind they speak in germany ! |
| 21:13.16 | PhinnFort | stew: thanks, it's compiling now |
| 21:13.17 | nvz | robin_sz: believe me I think quite often idealistic people like RMS are fuckin nuts.. but you have to understand they are fighting for what they believe in to prevent an often realistic presumed disaster.. |
| 21:13.31 | kspath | jade: They do not know their own language in Germany? |
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| 21:14.10 | Eulex | is it possible to make module-assistant build a package without first overwriting the local extracted copy? |
| 21:14.29 | robin_sz | nvz, RMS is right to a point, what is nuts is his refusal to accept that not everyone thinks the way he does. theres room for both models, and thats a freedom I value |
| 21:14.31 | kspath | jade: Do you know how to spell any words in German? |
| 21:14.35 | nvz | debian kernel devs are packaging 486 kernels now ? |
| 21:14.43 | jade | kspath, you have german friends? they'll satisfy your need for pathelogically pedantic non-sense. |
| 21:14.53 | stew | kspath: jade: please take it elsewhere |
| 21:15.09 | stew | nvz: yeah, -386 is no longer supported by etch's libc6 |
| 21:15.18 | nvz | robin_sz: yeah well all I know is I see the opisition moving to shut out freedom in general so I am behind him 100% |
| 21:15.53 | kspath | stew: Sorry, I got annoyed by a non-debian question and followed by ignorance of language(s). My fault. Mea Culpa. |
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| 21:16.17 | Daedalus_ | I'm trying to reconfigure xorg, and it's no longer giving me the option to change my screen resolutions/monitor properties when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. With the new packaging of xorg, has something changed? |
| 21:16.31 | Daedalus_ | I'm running etch. |
| 21:16.38 | blondie | yes, dunno what though |
| 21:17.06 | robin_sz | nvz, well, in that respect, I back him ... when, as you say, the "opposition" try to deny our freedom to choose, it has to be defended. But, Stallman then goes on to fall into the same trap of trying to remove my freedom of choice ... |
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| 21:17.47 | robin_sz | nvz, the next battleground will be tivo-ized PC hardware |
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| 21:18.29 | robin_sz | nvz: "sorry, your 'debian' operating system does not have a valid system signature. please contact Microsoft" |
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| 21:19.41 | nvz | robin_sz: I havent yet to see that whole movie yet even though its like 7 years old.. but the movie "Instinct (1999)" where the doctor goes nuts because he realizes the 'civilized world' isnt for him.. I can identify with that a good deal.. lots of things I have lived and believed are merely illusions. Freedom being one of them. his ideal of freedom seems realistic. sure he goes to drastic... |
| 21:19.43 | nvz | ...measures expecting you to fall in line, call this official, boycott that..etc but thats the initiative he takes. its really up to you do decide whats a real threat to freedom and whats not, as well as what freedom means to you |
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| 21:21.19 | AKX | How do I set packages on hold from the console? |
| 21:21.41 | robin_sz | nvz, thats fine, but it his ideas of "enforced freedom" that do my head in ... "thou shalt not use closed source software" ... like, butt out RMS, thats my decision. |
| 21:21.43 | samuel_ | nvz, freedom is an illusion? whoa... there... its real... as real as your being able to distinguish an imaginary world created by some devil for his own amusement from the real world... |
| 21:21.52 | Maulkin | AKX: dpkg --set-selections |
| 21:21.59 | AKX | Thanks Maulkin. |
| 21:22.09 | Maulkin | AKX: man dpkg for more info on the format |
| 21:22.22 | samuel_ | nvz, but mabe thats all one needs? |
| 21:22.23 | AKX | Yep, thanks |
| 21:22.32 | robin_sz | or --get-selections to see the current list in the right format |
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| 21:22.58 | Maulkin | (As a side note, if anyoen here has someone waahing that they upgraded to 2.6.17 and their u |
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| 21:23.17 | Maulkin | ipw2200 wireless is broken, they need to download the latest formware >=3.0) |
| 21:23.18 | AKX | And that won't overwrite the list or anything? If I want to set package xfoobar on hold I can just echo xfoobar hold | dpkg --set-selections ? |
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| 21:23.24 | Maulkin | As I discovered today |
| 21:23.36 | Maulkin | AKX: That should work. |
| 21:23.46 | ryan` | I'm using debian-volitile, and it is not finding spamassassin... Anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 21:24.18 | nvz | samuel: I am talking about the illusion of freedom like that portrayed by my govt. who tries to sell and idea of freedom through the dominion of its supporters |
| 21:24.56 | samuel | nvz, what gvmt would that be? |
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| 21:26.33 | nvz | samuel: mine is the US of A but I would say the same is true most likely for any that promises such freedom |
| 21:27.27 | stew | ryan`: volatile doesn't provide a spamassassin package |
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| 21:28.30 | ryan` | stew: There's on on there..... |
| 21:28.58 | samuel | nvz, you guys are well off... just look south of the border to find that out! were just out of a 60 year dictatorship and the new gvmt party is now saying in an election year to vote for the candidate of the same party (with public funds they are advertising this) because its the "only viable choice"!!! Im no expert, but that seems a little like one step towards another long few years of totalitarianism |
| 21:29.11 | ryan` | stew: ftp://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-volatile/pool/volatile/main/s/spamassassin |
| 21:29.30 | stew | ryan`: http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-volatile/dists/sarge/volatile/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 21:29.45 | samuel | nvz, usa is VERY free and democratic in my opinion |
| 21:29.55 | ryan` | stew, I did see that it is not listed there. |
| 21:30.11 | stew | ryan`: oh its in volatile-sloppy |
| 21:30.15 | nvz | samuel: it all depends on how you look at it..we are so great and free that we are forcing "freedom" on other countries |
| 21:30.18 | ryan` | oh..... |
| 21:30.19 | stew | ryan`: http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-volatile/dists/sarge/volatile-sloppy/main/binary-i386/Packages |
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| 21:31.21 | stew | hmm, /me notices that volatile has a newer postgrey package |
| 21:31.49 | nvz | samuel: and if we are so democratic,how the hell did GWB get two consecutive terms in office |
| 21:32.02 | samuel | nvz, true... and i cant say i havnt complained about US intervention here, but better to force freedom than have it forced on you... like we now are having our elections forced on us... |
| 21:32.13 | petemc | stew: what does sloppy add over the regular volatile repo? |
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| 21:33.14 | robin_sz | sigh ... so ... i have a package source in /usr/src/ .. how exactly do I build it again? |
| 21:33.30 | petemc | stew: nm, i guess the name says it all.. |
| 21:33.50 | samuel | nvz, you CHOOSE GWB... thats the difference... here the party that is in power, the PAN, has a presidential candidate, this candidate, CALDERON, has a brother in law who just recently became owner of the company that did the computer program to count votes!!! |
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| 21:34.08 | samuel | gerrymandering anyone? (is that spelled correctly?) |
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| 21:34.17 | petemc | it is |
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| 21:34.21 | ryan` | hmm |
| 21:34.23 | petemc | kinda ot for debian |
| 21:34.24 | stew | petemc: -sloppy seems to have nothing but spamassassin |
| 21:34.25 | nvz | samuel: no he cheated, I voted against him as did more than 50% of the population of this country |
| 21:34.52 | nvz | whoever said cheaters never win, never ran for the office of US president |
| 21:34.53 | robin_sz | nvz, same here, tony bliar was only voted for by less than 25% of the people |
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| 21:35.12 | Dwonis | Hi. I have one of those "1500 TrueType Fonts" CDs. Are there any tools for previewing fonts that haven't been installed on the system? |
| 21:35.12 | meriad | how do I boot single user |
| 21:35.14 | meriad | with grub? |
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| 21:35.33 | PhinnFort | Dwonis: kfontview or something |
| 21:35.41 | PhinnFort | it's integrated into kde/konqueror too |
| 21:35.46 | jhenn | what is the new version of conf.modules? |
| 21:36.03 | nvz | jhenn: modules.conf |
| 21:36.08 | samuel | nvz, fair enough... politics are a dirty game, sounds like up north you guys are learning a thing or two from down here... :) |
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| 21:36.12 | meriad | how do I boot single user with grub anyone? |
| 21:36.42 | jhenn | nvz: /etc? |
| 21:36.57 | petemc | meriad: dont repeat, press 'e' at the grub prompt |
| 21:37.15 | nvz | jhenn: yes |
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| 21:37.43 | ryan` | hmm |
| 21:38.01 | ryan` | is there any way to be notified when certian debian packages are updated in sid? |
| 21:38.02 | christor | is there californian here? |
| 21:38.13 | ryan` | christor: I'm a californian. |
| 21:38.28 | nvz | yes, there are many.. not that it has any significance to their presence |
| 21:38.37 | nvz | last I checked califonia hasnt sunk yet |
| 21:38.39 | christor | ryan`: you don t want to invite me in your house? :'( :P |
| 21:38.41 | stew | ryan`: http://packages.qa.debian.org/sourcepackagename and subscribe to the package |
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| 21:39.04 | Dwonis | PhinnFort: thanks |
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| 21:39.19 | christor | ryan`: I want to return there :'( |
| 21:39.39 | ryan` | stew: thank you very much |
| 21:39.47 | Tallu | hey umm. i get an Error writing 4 bytes to client. -1. (Connection reset by peer) on the samba logs when i try to authenticate a win box to it. the username/pass exist on the server and there are shares so i dont really see whats wrong |
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| 21:40.26 | ryan` | christor: Uh, how long do you need a place to stay? |
| 21:40.46 | kspath | Tallu: samba documentation or website or #samba? |
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| 21:41.34 | Tallu | kspath: yeah, reckon I'll give #samba a then head back to man pages. |
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| 21:42.56 | christor | ryan`: just 1 or 2 weeks in holiday :P |
| 21:42.59 | nvz | heh, my cousin just showed up and gave us 3 gallons of ice cream and asked if we wanted more |
| 21:43.02 | christor | ryan`: where do you live LA? |
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| 21:43.14 | nvz | thats a weird occurance |
| 21:43.27 | ryan` | christor, Davis. (near sacremento) |
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| 21:45.03 | christor | ryan`: mmh ok , I just come back from road trip in california.. and it was very cool . I did a lot of parc just one missing near you the yosemite :'( not enough time to do it |
| 21:45.04 | bernie | why debian unstable have only sympa 4.1 and on unstable and the last is 5.2 ? |
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| 21:45.42 | unix_infidel | hey guys i've been trying to figure out how to get a flux keybind made to where it does a click action right below where the current cursor position is. |
| 21:46.08 | unix_infidel | i've got it setup to where flux keybinds manage cursor movement, havent been able to do anything other than focus and raise window with xwit though so far. |
| 21:46.23 | ry | has anyone ever tried to install debian sarge, but the CDRom was unable to be mounted right after chosing region and language? if so, how did you solve it? |
| 21:46.28 | ryan` | bernie: Debian stable only gets critial bug fixes and security fixes (these fixes are often backported), otherwise the version is frozen to the relase version. |
| 21:46.50 | ryan` | ry: You could install from floppy.... |
| 21:46.59 | ry | no floppy drive :) |
| 21:47.12 | ry | it's basically a server with alot of hdds |
| 21:47.19 | ryan` | ry: I'm sure you can scrounge one for install time. |
| 21:47.36 | stew | bernie: looking at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=sympa it appars to be pretty much unmaintained |
| 21:47.39 | ryan` | i've never had it fail to mount, though. |
| 21:47.44 | bernie | ryan, ok |
| 21:47.57 | ryan` | ry: you could try the buisness card installer version |
| 21:48.16 | ry | would I have to burn it on a business card cd for that to work? |
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| 21:48.28 | unix_infidel | anyone? |
| 21:48.46 | kspath | ry: no, you can burn it to "normal" size CDRs |
| 21:48.58 | nvz | ry: the problem would likely be it cant load cdrom drivers for some reason |
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| 21:49.19 | Gnea | unix_infidel: try reading the website |
| 21:49.29 | unix_infidel | Gnea: reading the website for what? |
| 21:49.30 | unix_infidel | wtF? |
| 21:49.34 | ry | that's what I thought too, but it's a pretty generic system, it was running microcrap windows 2k3 until now |
| 21:49.44 | Gnea | unix_infidel: for fluxbox, of course |
| 21:49.57 | unix_infidel | Gnea: nothing there relating to emulating a click action. |
| 21:49.59 | Gnea | just search for it on freshmeat.net |
| 21:50.16 | Gnea | unix_infidel: not on the front page. try a forum. this isn't #fluxbox |
| 21:50.37 | unix_infidel | No, it certainly isnt. But what you seem to forget is that its fluxbox independent. |
| 21:50.41 | Gnea | they've even got an email list |
| 21:50.44 | kspath | unix_infidel: flux channel have anything useful to say? |
| 21:51.00 | Gnea | unix_infidel: and YOU seem to forget that this channel is debian independent |
| 21:51.21 | unix_infidel | debian independent? |
| 21:51.24 | Gnea | http://fluxbox-wiki.org/ |
| 21:51.33 | Gnea | !tell unix_infidel about rules |
| 21:52.00 | Gnea | Where else can I get help? |
| 21:52.01 | Gnea | The #fluxbox channel on the Freenode network is the official IRC channel for fluxbox. |
| 21:52.13 | Gnea | unix_infidel: you obviously didn't read the website. |
| 21:52.17 | unix_infidel | Gnea: i understand that. |
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| 21:52.31 | unix_infidel | But like i said, if i was running KDE and i wanted to map these actions i would ask the same question. |
| 21:52.50 | Gnea | well, now you know where to go to get the answer you seek. |
| 21:52.52 | unix_infidel | Maybe someone here has mapped them, maybe they've got a specific app that they use. |
| 21:53.09 | Gnea | highly unlikely |
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| 21:54.43 | sparr | I have a SD card with a single FAT32 partition. My camera and other handheld devices can read and write the contents just fine. But when I mount it in linux sometimes half the directories and files show up in "ls -l" in red and with '?' in every column (date, owner, size, etc). whats up? |
| 21:54.50 | unix_infidel | Gnea: not impossible.... |
| 21:55.09 | Gnea | unix_infidel: well that's YOUR problem. |
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| 21:55.35 | vitry | hi people, I'm compiling mplayer with jack suport. I've installed all libreries, and with ./configure && make, compile OK. But I want make a package with a dpkg-buildpackage, then I run dh-make and configure debian/config with --enable-jack to enable jack suport, but don't compile. Why?? |
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| 21:55.50 | vitry | (Sorry I speak english very bad) |
| 21:56.00 | unix_infidel | Heh, no, more like a question to the channel. |
| 21:56.17 | Gnea | unix_infidel: and you got your answer. |
| 21:56.19 | unix_infidel | whether YOU choose to indulge me is your preorgative. |
| 21:56.20 | vitry | sorry |
| 21:56.26 | Gnea | oh, i've indulged you. |
| 21:57.39 | Gnea | vitry: what version of mplayer? |
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| 21:58.48 | vitry | 1.0pre8 |
| 21:59.06 | vitry | on a x86-64 system |
| 21:59.13 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 21:59.52 | vitry | but this is indiferent, why with ./configure && make, run |
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| 22:00.14 | vitry | and with a dpkg-buildpackage with debian/config ok, no run |
| 22:00.31 | stew | vitry: is there a reason you aren't just using marillat's packages? |
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| 22:00.43 | vitry | no |
| 22:00.50 | stew | vitry: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:00.55 | vitry | directly from mplayer web page |
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| 22:01.26 | Gnea | vitry: did you read README.Debian? |
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| 22:01.42 | vitry | ok thanks Gnea |
| 22:01.53 | Gnea | vitry: that tells you how to do it |
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| 22:04.37 | vitry | Gnea, yes I run dh-make and debian directory is OK |
| 22:06.21 | vitry | if I run a dpkg-buildpackage with a default debian/config, compile OK |
| 22:06.22 | vitry | and create the package deb |
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| 22:06.23 | Gnea | vitry: MPlayer-1.0pre8/debian/README.debian |
| 22:06.23 | Gnea | please, READ that |
| 22:06.23 | vitry | ok ok sorry |
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| 22:07.00 | PhinnFort | is there any system loggers like metalog available in debian? |
| 22:07.25 | Gnea | PhinnFort: yes, metalog |
| 22:07.37 | kspath | PhinnFort: apt-cache search keyword |
| 22:07.54 | PhinnFort | can't find metalog... |
| 22:08.03 | Gnea | metalog - Modern logging daemon with regexp support |
| 22:08.11 | PhinnFort | yeah |
| 22:08.17 | Gnea | PhinnFort: what branch of debian are you using? |
| 22:08.28 | PhinnFort | testing, i think |
| 22:08.33 | Gnea | oh |
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| 22:08.47 | Gnea | not sure it's available in testing right now |
| 22:09.08 | PhinnFort | then i'll have to wait:) |
| 22:09.12 | Gnea | :) |
| 22:09.20 | kspath | PhinnFort: hold your breath |
| 22:09.33 | PhinnFort | heh |
| 22:09.39 | PhinnFort | i got X running |
| 22:09.39 | Maulkin | Dammit Gnea, almost kick you there. Your nick is too much like gnaa :) |
| 22:09.43 | PhinnFort | i see that as quite a feat |
| 22:09.45 | PhinnFort | :P |
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| 22:09.58 | nvz | !gnea |
| 22:09.58 | dpkg | i guess gnea is a gnea!, or someone who likes to give obvious answers |
| 22:10.08 | Gnea | Maulkin: i've had this nick for YEARS before the GNAA became into existance. fuck the gnaa :P |
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| 22:10.15 | Maulkin | Gnea: heh :) |
| 22:10.24 | nvz | I see you edited that factiod to protect your image |
| 22:10.27 | nvz | !nvz |
| 22:10.37 | peterS | enveezee |
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| 22:10.42 | Gnea | i did? |
| 22:10.46 | Gnea | prove it. |
| 22:10.49 | nvz | heh |
| 22:10.54 | Gnea | :) |
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| 22:11.04 | nvz | peterS: it is me, even though I forgot to identify |
| 22:11.20 | stew | !nvzdrink nvz |
| 22:11.26 | nvz | there, I am identified now |
| 22:11.31 | Gnea | Maulkin: i don't know, i saw some instability on the ipv6 servers before any of the regular servers, there's a 4to6 ddos package out there |
| 22:11.36 | peterS | nvz: I'm 31 now, as of maybe 17 hours ago. most exciting. |
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| 22:11.53 | Maulkin | Gnea: Yeah, that amused me. native ipv6++ :) |
| 22:12.09 | thingfish | hehe nvzdrink |
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| 22:12.14 | Gnea | Maulkin: it pissed me off, i'd connect and bam, instant lag |
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| 22:12.18 | nvz | peterS: yeah well I'll be 23 on Aug 10 @ 10:19am.. still an idiot for the most part though. |
| 22:12.27 | peterS | hehe |
| 22:12.37 | Gnea | nvz: nice, i'll be 31 on Aug 13 |
| 22:12.44 | Gnea | o.O |
| 22:12.47 | thingfish | nvz: what have you been up to lately? You're a lot more scarce in these parts than you used to be. |
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| 22:12.48 | Maulkin | Laters |
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| 22:12.52 | Gnea | latez |
| 22:12.52 | peterS | come to think of it since I'm 0x1f, I'm still not into the range of _printable_ ascii |
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| 22:13.14 | ry | regarding my earlier mentioned problem, is a debian installation hardware spacific? or can I pop the hdd into another comp, install debian and then pop it back into the original server? |
| 22:13.30 | peterS | ry: for the base system that'll work fine |
| 22:13.43 | ry | awsome, thanks |
| 22:13.45 | peterS | ry: for things like the X server, it'll require a reconfigure if your video card type is different |
| 22:13.55 | nvz | thingfish: yeah well I am fighting for my independence like my forefathers.. well not really like them.. more like a young man who doesnt have enough sense to finish school or find a decent job.. but you get the idea.. I am broke and dont have internet at home.. now that I am living alone in Star City |
| 22:14.04 | ry | heh, I'm totally blind, I don't use x :) |
| 22:14.22 | Gnea | nvz: star city? |
| 22:14.23 | stew | peterS: heh, in a year you'll be ' ' |
| 22:14.25 | thingfish | nvz: hang in there dude, just keep plugging away and you'll get there. |
| 22:14.29 | peterS | stew: quite (: |
| 22:14.35 | stew | i'm ! |
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| 22:14.53 | peterS | ry: also note, the boot loader setup depends on the drive address, so if you move it from hdc in the borrowed machine to hda in the permanent machine ... it'll boot this time but if you try to upgrade grub you may need to fiddle with it |
| 22:14.57 | thingfish | nvz: and don't feel too bad - I have an MA and I just took a piddly job working for $7.00/hr. |
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| 22:15.18 | ry | nvz: if you've got a smartphone, you can get reliable gprs internet for 12 US a year that you can use with your comp |
| 22:15.20 | ry | peter: thanks |
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| 22:15.31 | peterS | ry: well and edit /etc/fstab for the filesystem addresses |
| 22:15.34 | nvz | peterS: sounds like saying I'm 90 years young.. just another way of making yourself feel better about getting old..or old-er if it makes you feel better.. in any case your still young and take comfort in the fact your not as young and stupid as me :P |
| 22:15.47 | thingfish | oh dude 23 is so fricking young... |
| 22:16.41 | omega | anyone here know the details of python-gtk2 packaging? |
| 22:16.50 | peterS | nvz: hehe. I was in the middle of a long bike ride when my personal odometer turned over to 31 (assuming this happens at midnight, I know I wasn't actually born at midnight). it's probably really just a function of how far I'd already ridden, but I could swear that not long after midnight is where I started to have this extreme exhaustion, as in "want to stop every 10 miles" business |
| 22:17.00 | peterS | nvz: like, I thought the aging process was supposed to be more gradual |
| 22:17.05 | thingfish | hehe you sad sacks... |
| 22:17.39 | thingfish | wait until you get into your late 40's. *Then* you can panic. |
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| 22:17.55 | peterS | by "long bike ride" I mean 15 hours, on the order of 175 miles |
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| 22:18.09 | thingfish | damn, what legs you must have |
| 22:18.21 | stew | omega: why do you ask? |
| 22:18.31 | peterS | well, they're kind of useless legs at the moment. I'll be recuperating for the next day or so, I guess |
| 22:18.37 | nvz | thingfish: yeah well I quit my job working for my uncle's construction company because he realizes my ability and my potential and doesnt think I am worth more than $8/hr as a professional roofer and siding installer (maybe not professional as I have no credentials but I am better than he was at my age and better than anyone working for him makingmore money) and he's almost always high on... |
| 22:18.39 | nvz | ...pain pills, alcohol or weed, and doesnt realize how unsafe he can be and I value my health as I am still in pain from the car accident in dec |
| 22:18.40 | omega | my pygtkglext install broke on today's update, and I can't get it to work anymore |
| 22:18.58 | stew | omega: try #debian-python on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:19.03 | dondelelcaro | peterS: don't you live in the flats though? |
| 22:19.06 | omega | ok, will do, thanks |
| 22:19.24 | peterS | dondelelcaro: relatively speaking, yes. there are plenty of hills in this part of the world, they just aren't high or steep if you think in terms of san fransisco |
| 22:19.26 | dondelelcaro | although, I probably can't do a 50 miler right now... |
| 22:19.40 | ry | nvz: ouch, but that is survivable, maybe you could become a debian consultant or something |
| 22:19.42 | thingfish | nvz: yes that sounds like a dangerous work environment, god knows what could've happened to you hanging around someone in contruction that's always fscked up. |
| 22:19.43 | stew | yeah, 175 miles is going to hurt on any terrain |
| 22:19.44 | peterS | dondelelcaro: there's also the wind. I was riding SW, the prevailing winds around here are mainly S but last night they were mainly W |
| 22:19.50 | nvz | peterS: I found that agony usually happens quite suddenly in life but thats just my experience |
| 22:19.52 | thingfish | well, excepting the pot, of course ;) |
| 22:19.53 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, wind sucks |
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| 22:20.12 | peterS | dondelelcaro: fortunately for me, the wind was quite mild, like 10 mph or less. it could have been so much worse. |
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| 22:20.33 | nvz | ry: yeah, I hear its a real hot market.. I am sure I can pay the bills doing that </sarcasm> |
| 22:20.42 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah... I've almost been taken out by tumbleweeds here a few times |
| 22:20.59 | five0 | lol |
| 22:21.05 | five0 | sorry, that just sounded funny |
| 22:21.08 | peterS | oh, heh. I haven't experienced that, but I suppose it's possible if I went out to _western_ Kansas |
| 22:21.35 | vitry | Gnea: ok I read the debian/README.debian, and yes I run it, and the problem is the same that if I modify the debian/config with vi |
| 22:22.03 | ry | nvz: well, if you find a nitch, for example, I am totally blind and nobody would hire me at all on account of my visual impairment. As of a month ago I started making money installing and maintaining linux based firewalls and gateways for small and medium businesses. |
| 22:22.07 | meff | can anyone help w/ 2.6.17? it says it needs linux-kbuild-2.6.17 but i dont see it at all, neither on the debian-kernel mailing list or much anywhere else.. |
| 22:22.29 | nvz | thingfish: he had me on a plank one day, well two connected together on pump jacks with at one point 3 other full grown men.. mind you these aluminum or whatever they may be planks have stickers on them that say 250lbs MAX! one of which has a large dent in it right above that sticker.. and he uses phrases like "its not going anywhere" or "you'll only be up there for a minute" to counter my... |
| 22:22.31 | nvz | ...pleas that its unsafe |
| 22:23.07 | vitry | Gnea, do you speak spanish? |
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| 22:23.58 | Gnea | vitry: no |
| 22:24.01 | nvz | thingfish: or lifting two guys on a large fork lift device rated for one person (in the drivers seat) holding a large 300lb beam.. I told him it would be more intelligent to strap the beam to the forks, lift it into place and we could crawl up on ladders and nail it.. but thats too logical for a high moron I guess. |
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| 22:24.45 | samuel | msg vitry, tienes problemas? |
| 22:24.59 | kspath | nvz: At that level I think they are lord high moron. |
| 22:25.01 | vitry | hola samuel, si la verdad es que si |
| 22:25.16 | peterS | #debian-es, please |
| 22:25.18 | nvz | thingfish: despite the fact he only puts me in these situations for "a minute" or whatever it only takes about 1/60th of that to become injured or die, and insurance covers accidents, not stupidity.. so I really have no valid claim for comp. if I knowingly crawl up on something disobeying the safty warnings |
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| 22:25.36 | samuel | vitry, hay un canal, #debian-es, donde te pueden ayudar, o mandame un mensaje |
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| 22:25.57 | linux2 | i have a quick question |
| 22:26.07 | peterS | ask, linux2 |
| 22:26.07 | vitry | ok ok, any problem, perhaps I stay in this chanel, and I can practice english |
| 22:26.09 | linux2 | if i install debian, i will never have to run the installer again. correct? |
| 22:26.17 | linux2 | cause i can just update the software and kernel |
| 22:26.20 | dondelelcaro | linux2: generally, yes. |
| 22:26.21 | peterS | linux2: that's the idea, right |
| 22:26.24 | linux2 | without formating and running install |
| 22:26.30 | dondelelcaro | right. |
| 22:26.34 | linux2 | cause when i was on mandriva |
| 22:26.40 | linux2 | i had to do that at every release |
| 22:26.43 | linux2 | and it was a pain |
| 22:26.43 | peterS | linux2: there are people out there with current debian systems that haven't been reinstalled since 1995 |
| 22:26.51 | vitry | Gnea: about compile mplayer with dpkg-bulidpacke, do you remember it? |
| 22:27.07 | peterS | not many, perhaps, but such people and systems exist |
| 22:27.13 | linux2 | so they have the latest software and only ran an install in 1995 (well latest software that will run) |
| 22:27.26 | peterS | right |
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| 22:27.36 | linux2 | neat |
| 22:27.39 | peterS | debian has always supported smooth upgrades from one release to the next. you can't skip a release, though. |
| 22:27.43 | linux2 | never been on a linux system that works quite this way |
| 22:27.49 | kspath | linux2: That is assuming no HD failures or use of odd file systems of course. |
| 22:27.58 | peterS | linux2: well, that's one thing Debian is known for |
| 22:27.59 | linux2 | kspath, of course |
| 22:28.19 | linux2 | peterS, well im running testing. and about every month or so i update |
| 22:28.26 | peterS | not saying nothing ever goes wrong, but if you stick with stable releases, _very few_ things go wrong |
| 22:28.27 | linux2 | is that ok. or should i update more often? |
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| 22:28.35 | peterS | every month or so is fine |
| 22:28.40 | peterS | unless you need security updates, of course |
| 22:28.47 | linux2 | well testing is more stable than windows |
| 22:28.57 | peterS | waiting a month for a security update is unwise on _any_ OS |
| 22:29.10 | linux2 | peterS, not really. this is my desktop machine so not really an issue |
| 22:29.12 | linux2 | my servers yes |
| 22:29.13 | samuel | linux2, sid is more stable than windows! |
| 22:29.15 | peterS | *nod* |
| 22:29.20 | linux2 | so i have stable running on them |
| 22:29.23 | linux2 | lol |
| 22:29.32 | linux2 | i hate windows. haven't used it in years |
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| 22:29.52 | linux2 | although at my work im being forced to untill i get my new laptop so i can run linux on it (yay!) |
| 22:30.16 | peterS | linux2: anyway, if you upgrade from debian 2.0 -> 2.1 -> 2.2 -> 3.0 -> 3.1 -> current testing, it should all work. if you skip a release, things are known to break on occasion |
| 22:30.39 | peterS | since releases only happen every 18 months or more, it's not hard to find the time to upgrade in that timeframe (: |
| 22:30.49 | nvz | heh |
| 22:30.49 | linux2 | peterS, yeah i would say so |
| 22:31.05 | linux2 | peterS, well cause im running testing i just upgrade often and stay the latest |
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| 22:31.25 | peterS | linux2: that's fine |
| 22:31.33 | nvz | I've only had like 6 updates pending for months and they all seem like they can wait. freetype and mysql stuff it seems |
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| 22:32.34 | nvz | I am not sure why I even have the mysql-common must be a dependency of something I have. I am offline and notice no real problems so I am holding off on updates for now |
| 22:32.42 | peterS | linux2: in theory, your configuration changes never get overwritten on upgrade, either. there are sometimes bugs with this, but if anyone finds them, they're considered release-critical (stable releases can't have known bugs of that sort) |
| 22:32.48 | HelmutG | Hi. Has anyone experience with encrypted swapspace for use with suspend2? (is there a howto?) |
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| 22:32.57 | astronaut | hi all |
| 22:33.10 | astronaut | can someone tell me where to find linux drivers for audigy 4 pro plz ?? |
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| 22:33.25 | azeem | astronaut: did you try google? |
| 22:33.31 | astronaut | sure |
| 22:33.32 | astronaut | =) |
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| 22:33.51 | astronaut | on creative site nothing |
| 22:33.52 | nvz | astronaut: check the OSS and ALSA websites or google, it may not be supported yet |
| 22:33.55 | peterS | is the audigy 4 still a sblive chip, or something different? |
| 22:34.04 | astronaut | i searched on google too but without success |
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| 22:34.12 | peterS | original audigys are all supported by the emu10k1 drivers, but perhaps the audigy4 isn't..? |
| 22:34.37 | thingfish | man, audigy 4 already? I am seriously behind the hardware times. |
| 22:34.47 | astronaut | i really dont know i hoped to find someone using audigy 4 here =) |
| 22:34.47 | peterS | thingfish: yeah, I didn't know there was a 3 even |
| 22:34.47 | stew | astronaut: what does "lspci -n | awk '/040.:/{print $3}'" return? |
| 22:34.54 | astronaut | especially for openal support |
| 22:35.25 | astronaut | stew: root ? |
| 22:35.28 | linux2 | peterS, quite the setup debian has saying its not a corpertate company etc |
| 22:35.28 | peterS | astronaut: I think anything properly supported by alsa will be properly supported by openal. the question is the alsa support. you might check www.alsa-project.org to see if they have anything to say about it |
| 22:35.49 | peterS | astronaut: you don't need to be root to run lspci, no |
| 22:35.54 | nvz | thingfish: me too, I got the top of the line S3 ProSuckage Savage 4 video, I get between 0-60fps, Via82c686 ac97 audio controller... |
| 22:35.59 | astronaut | peterS: i look |
| 22:36.27 | peterS | nvz: yeah, those onboard via audios are really cutting edge |
| 22:36.44 | nvz | I actualy just started messing with drm, framebuffer..etc with my Savage 4 recently when I compiled the latest kernel source I d/l |
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| 22:37.07 | thingfish | hehe ProDuckage |
| 22:37.14 | thingfish | oops I mean ProSuckage |
| 22:37.36 | astronaut | stew: 1102:0004 |
| 22:37.52 | nvz | apperently I need more than drm to get accelleration or else that card _really_ sucks cause on tdfsb I got 60fps at best.. average around probably 30fps and on a large dir with like 3000 files I averaged 0-1 fps |
| 22:38.03 | thingfish | yikes |
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| 22:38.17 | peterS | astronaut: the 'snd-emu10k1' module (ALSA module for sblive series) claims to support the 0004 |
| 22:38.22 | sparr | what possible benefits might there be to mounting a yaffs filesystem containing a vfat image then mounting the vfat image via a loop device instead of just using a vfat filesystem in the first place or keeping the actual data on the yaffs fs? |
| 22:38.31 | mdupont | anyone using zope3 packages here? |
| 22:38.35 | stew | astronaut: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:39.03 | astronaut | 2.6.15-1-amd64-generic |
| 22:39.13 | nvz | I stopped using framebuffer after like 5 minutes because it would screw up my text consoles if I used it in X which I dont like because I am a console user before I am an X user, and I like having access to them and being able to read whats on them. and trying to unload fb, locks up my kernel |
| 22:39.40 | astronaut | on alsa site it says snd-emu10k1 so maybe i should try it |
| 22:39.41 | astronaut | =) |
| 22:39.44 | stew | astronaut: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 22:39.58 | peterS | astronaut: yeah |
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| 22:41.03 | stew | !tell astronaut about alsa one-liner |
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| 22:41.21 | stew | astronaut: the bot named "dpkg" should have sent you instructions |
| 22:42.01 | astronaut | yes |
| 22:42.02 | astronaut | right |
| 22:42.05 | astronaut | nice feature |
| 22:42.18 | astronaut | ill apt-get them |
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| 22:44.01 | sparr | can an fstab entry have an 'auto' or unspecified filesystem type? |
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| 22:44.55 | samuel | i should be able to mount nfs shares on localhost no? |
| 22:45.00 | stew | astronaut: please ask your questions in the channel |
| 22:45.07 | stew | i'm going for a bike ride anyway |
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| 22:45.33 | astronaut | Configuring snd-emu10k1│Do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound│ (and /etc/modprobe.conf if present)? |
| 22:45.39 | astronaut | =) |
| 22:45.45 | samuel | i have a funny problem, localhost cant mount its own nfs shares: Permission denied, but other computers can??? wtf? |
| 22:45.48 | astronaut | yes/no ? plz |
| 22:45.54 | sparr | where might i find a comparison of the features and performance of yaffs, jffs, jffs2, vfat, ext2, and other alternatives on flash media? |
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| 22:46.08 | astronaut | sry never configured sound before |
| 22:46.10 | syiron | hello all |
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| 22:46.27 | syiron | my apt-get was error. how to i re-install apt-get ? |
| 22:47.16 | syiron | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 22:47.16 | syiron | E: Unable to lock the list directory |
| 22:47.18 | samuel | syiron, what error? |
| 22:47.36 | samuel | do you have apt or synaptic running? |
| 22:47.43 | samuel | already? |
| 22:47.44 | syiron | when i do apt-get update that error |
| 22:47.59 | syiron | no |
| 22:48.08 | azeem | syiron: are you root? |
| 22:48.14 | syiron | yes i`m root |
| 22:48.44 | syiron | oh |
| 22:48.47 | syiron | i found it |
| 22:50.18 | syiron | how to kil the synaptic running? |
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| 22:51.38 | shadow98 | how do i install identd on bitchx |
| 22:51.39 | streuner | skill -c app. |
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| 22:52.15 | syiron | i got so many ping job |
| 22:52.19 | streuner | shadow98: apt-get install nullidentd should help |
| 22:52.25 | syiron | i kill but it does`nt kill |
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| 22:52.45 | klebian | syiron verify the permissions on the file /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 22:54.18 | shadow98 | [easynews] *** No Ident response |
| 22:54.31 | shadow98 | streuner: im still getting it |
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| 22:55.08 | streuner | shadow98: its pretty new to me that you need identd in order to join EFnet at all |
| 22:55.36 | streuner | just ignore the message |
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| 22:57.01 | streuner | shadow98: apt-cache search identd |
| 22:58.35 | syiron | thanks samuel |
| 22:58.45 | stoned | open port 113 and install pidentd or oident |
| 22:58.47 | stoned | i gues |
| 22:59.22 | shadow98 | apt-get install pidentd |
| 22:59.25 | shadow98 | this one worked |
| 22:59.57 | stoned | I personally use oidentd |
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| 23:02.22 | abrotman | hrm .. still no DRI .. |
| 23:02.27 | shadow98 | anybody know how to setup ssh proxy |
| 23:02.56 | streuner | abrotman: nvidia? |
| 23:03.20 | streuner | oh, nm i misread the question... |
| 23:03.26 | abrotman | streuner: uh ... do i look stupid? |
| 23:03.35 | streuner | hehe |
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| 23:03.58 | shadow98 | what is the easiest way to setup an ssh proxy? |
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| 23:06.22 | nvz | heh, if you are sitting in the parking lot waiting for a concert to start and defending a good parking spot with a cold beer in your hand for 3 or more hours that umbrella hat would probably sound like a good idea |
| 23:07.15 | abrotman | nvz: you've seen the picture haven't you ? |
| 23:07.29 | nvz | now if you are walking thought the mall in the air conditioning shopping for holiday gifts in mid november in canada then its probably not a good idea |
| 23:07.36 | nvz | no I havent |
| 23:07.54 | abrotman | nvz: there you go! |
| 23:09.35 | nvz | if you weren't all clean shaven you could more easily blame insainty |
| 23:09.51 | nvz | but I dont think crazy people generally keep that close of a shave |
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| 23:10.09 | robin_sz | shadow98, you need to be more precise ... I suspect you really mean "how do I use port forwarding over SSH" |
| 23:10.11 | zood_ | what is the best way to have an ssh client that will work from nearly _any_ computer? |
| 23:10.41 | petemc | abrotman: did you know they put cheesesteak into the oed this month |
| 23:10.50 | abrotman | OED? |
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| 23:10.56 | robin_sz | zood_, ssh clients do work from any computer ... |
| 23:10.57 | abrotman | oh .. the dictionary |
| 23:11.01 | petemc | yeah |
| 23:11.02 | abrotman | petemc: it's about time! |
| 23:11.04 | petemc | :) |
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| 23:11.48 | zood_ | robin_sz, I want to be able to ssh from a computer that doesn't have an ssh client on it and wont let me load software onto it |
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| 23:12.23 | Novastorm | zood_, putty doesn't need to be installed, you can just download the executable |
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| 23:12.39 | abrotman | run it from a froppy! |
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| 23:13.50 | nvz | whats that, a disk that jumps around on webbed feet? |
| 23:14.49 | abrotman | it was intentional |
| 23:15.02 | zood_ | I'd like to be able to ssh from mac or win or linux. There are java ssh clients but as you know java sux and often these clients dont work on some setups. |
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| 23:15.40 | abrotman | zood_: so .. this is magic? |
| 23:15.47 | nvz | yeah well I am about to intentionally disconnect now so I can go home and get to writing about RMS |
| 23:15.54 | zood_ | abrotman: I'd like it to be. ;) |
| 23:16.17 | zood_ | Basically my boss travels around and is always complaining to me that he can't ssh to school |
| 23:16.19 | abrotman | nvz: you crazy guy |
| 23:16.23 | dondelelcaro | zood_: so use putty on windows and nifty-ssh or better telnet on the non OS X macs |
| 23:16.31 | abrotman | zood_: liveCD ? |
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| 23:17.09 | tuxedup | Does anyone know of a way to change the default file manager of Kde to another? So that all instances when Konq qould be loaded the file manager I chose is loaded instead? |
| 23:17.16 | dondelelcaro | but you should probably be asking yourself whether it's safe to actually ssh from a machine that you don't control |
| 23:17.41 | zood_ | abrotman: liveCD might work but probably some library computers wont boot off cd |
| 23:17.57 | nvz | yeah well the topic was someone I considered to be a hero, on the basis that a hero was someone who is inspired to do things that in turn inspires others to do things.. and off the top of my head RMS came as his actions inspired millions to do things. |
| 23:18.52 | abrotman | zood_: ok .. so you can't install stuff . can't boot stuff .. can't run java .. how about flash! |
| 23:19.20 | PhinnFort | i want a graphical login manager, but x11-common blocks xdm and all the other login managers |
| 23:20.13 | nvz | oh well I got to go shopping as well, I am off.. until next time, godspeed debians |
| 23:20.36 | zood_ | yah, I was thinking maybe I could just have a website that he could log onto and get a terminal on his computer. then he could ssh all he wanted from that terminal |
| 23:20.53 | abrotman | PhinnFort: apt-get update && apt-get install xdm |
| 23:21.28 | abrotman | PhinnFort: if it doesn't work .. paste the error somewhere |
| 23:21.29 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:21.30 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 23:21.38 | zood_ | Guess that would need java though |
| 23:22.13 | abrotman | flash! |
| 23:22.21 | zood_ | Ah, right |
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| 23:22.29 | PhinnFort | abrotman: doesnt help me... |
| 23:22.33 | PhinnFort | same error |
| 23:22.39 | abrotman | paste it ? |
| 23:23.01 | Cybodog | stupid question here: Cron MAILTO=username@ip <<would that work for an email notice given username@ip local net ? |
| 23:23.01 | zood_ | Hmmm maybe someones made a flash ssh client... googlign |
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| 23:23.05 | starfishy | i am trying to install etch on a machine with two SATA disks |
| 23:23.17 | starfishy | for some strange reason grub doesn't seem to like the disks |
| 23:23.27 | starfishy | i just get a black screen with a cursor |
| 23:23.30 | abrotman | sata floppy drives? |
| 23:23.35 | starfishy | no, sata hard disks |
| 23:23.50 | abrotman | it installs .. then won't boot |
| 23:23.52 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:23.54 | starfishy | yes |
| 23:24.03 | abrotman | laptop ? |
| 23:24.04 | starfishy | installation works and if I boot a rescue disk all the data is there |
| 23:24.04 | starfishy | no |
| 23:24.18 | starfishy | just a vanilla desktop from some smaller shop |
| 23:24.21 | Shadowcat | are you using sarge? |
| 23:24.25 | starfishy | no, etch |
| 23:24.31 | Shadowcat | that's odd, what hardware? |
| 23:24.40 | starfishy | its some intel chipset |
| 23:24.46 | starfishy | details in a minute |
| 23:24.48 | abrotman | ich7 should be supported |
| 23:25.01 | Shadowcat | as long as it isn't a sony laptop |
| 23:25.09 | abrotman | or packard bell! |
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| 23:25.11 | Shadowcat | some of those things only accept LFS for some reason |
| 23:25.18 | starfishy | intel 945G |
| 23:25.25 | Shadowcat | and you try installing a stage1 on a viao! |
| 23:25.44 | starfishy | grub install doesnt say anything out of the ordinary |
| 23:25.51 | abrotman | starfishy: can you ssh into the machine? |
| 23:25.56 | abrotman | erm .. or does it answer ping? |
| 23:26.01 | starfishy | its down right now |
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| 23:26.13 | starfishy | no, the machine doesnt even get to initial boot |
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| 23:26.28 | xris | I feel like this should be a silly question... but how do I install vim in etch? |
| 23:26.46 | starfishy | i thought grub was supposed to at least spit out a few characters when it cannot boot |
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| 23:27.07 | starfishy | but after the bios screen disappears i literally only get an empty screen with a cursor |
| 23:27.21 | Dwonis | xris: apt-get install vim ? |
| 23:27.22 | starfishy | xris: aptitude install vim |
| 23:27.36 | xris | Package vim is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 23:27.56 | starfishy | did you do 'aptitude update' before trying to install? |
| 23:27.59 | abrotman | bah .. use nvi :) |
| 23:28.26 | xris | starfishy: never messed with aptitude, but yeah, I know how to use apt. |
| 23:28.44 | xris | have looked in etch and testing repos and can't find a vim package |
| 23:28.54 | abrotman | xris: apt-cache policy vim |
| 23:29.05 | xris | abrotman: nothing |
| 23:29.13 | abrotman | xris: paste your sources |
| 23:29.14 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:29.14 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 23:29.33 | starfishy | im booting rescue mode on that box |
| 23:29.48 | xris | http://pastebin.ca/72557 |
| 23:29.49 | abrotman | starfishy: are you trying to use LVM or software raid or anything special ? |
| 23:30.35 | abrotman | xris: apt-get update && apt-cache --names-only search vim |
| 23:30.58 | xris | abrotman: some vim-related stuff but no vim |
| 23:31.05 | abrotman | vim-full ? |
| 23:31.05 | xris | best I see is vim-gui-common, but I don't want the gui |
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| 23:31.08 | xris | no |
| 23:31.21 | xris | doc, gui-common, latexsuite, runtime, scripts, vimoutliner |
| 23:31.46 | abrotman | xris: paste the output of apt-get update |
| 23:31.53 | abrotman | and the output of apt-get install vim |
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| 23:32.22 | shadow98 | anybody on that can help me with setting up ssh proxy |
| 23:32.40 | starfishy | abrotman: no |
| 23:32.42 | abrotman | shadow98: didn't we just cover this ? |
| 23:32.43 | starfishy | partitions only |
| 23:32.48 | xris | http://pastebin.ca/72559 |
| 23:33.08 | starfishy | 4 partitions: /boot, /, /var, /home |
| 23:33.11 | shadow98 | abrotman: i must have missed it |
| 23:33.13 | xris | I installed vim-runtime, but it doesn't actually have the vim binary in it |
| 23:33.18 | abrotman | xris: apt-cache policy vim-runtime |
| 23:33.29 | abrotman | paste it |
| 23:33.47 | abrotman | shadow98: i guess it wasn't you .. it was zood_ |
| 23:33.48 | starfishy | i think something fishy is going on with the installer, maybe i should get a newer build |
| 23:33.51 | xris | abrotman: it's installed... not sure what else matters |
| 23:33.57 | abrotman | starfishy: which did you use? |
| 23:34.01 | abrotman | xris: i'd liek to see it :) |
| 23:34.12 | xris | http://pastebin.ca/72564 |
| 23:34.12 | shadow98 | damn that sucks i missed it |
| 23:34.14 | starfishy | the test build from a few days ago |
| 23:34.18 | shadow98 | did you get his working |
| 23:34.22 | starfishy | the regular installers dont recognize the disks |
| 23:34.35 | xris | the only binary vim-runtime installs is vimtutor |
| 23:35.32 | shadow98 | abortman: what is the easiest way to setup ssh proxy |
| 23:35.47 | abrotman | xris: add this "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main" to your sources . and run apt-get update |
| 23:35.57 | abrotman | shadow98: i've never done it |
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| 23:37.26 | xris | abrotman: same problems |
| 23:37.33 | abrotman | xris: i just grabbed it from there |
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| 23:38.09 | xris | abrotman: then something's f'd on this machine |
| 23:38.16 | abrotman | xris: paste the contents of apt-key list |
| 23:38.51 | xris | http://pastebin.ca/72566 |
| 23:39.20 | meriad | ok so heres a nifty problem |
| 23:39.24 | abrotman | lovely |
| 23:39.28 | abrotman | xris: eh .. ok .. |
| 23:39.44 | abrotman | xris: is this pure64 ? |
| 23:39.48 | meriad | I hvae a Box, with Linux installed, I need to logon to the console to run FSCK, But i dont have the root password and it errors out before I have a chance to boot into single user (cause it wont) anyhow.. what are my options |
| 23:40.06 | abrotman | xris: dpkg-architecture will tell you |
| 23:40.08 | xris | abrotman: opteron... not sure what the debian installer put into the box, though |
| 23:40.18 | azeem | meriad: init=/bin/sh, maybe |
| 23:40.21 | xris | looks like pure 64 |
| 23:40.31 | abrotman | xris: vim is not currently available for pure64 |
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| 23:40.49 | abrotman | xris: packages.debian.org/vim ... notice .. no amd64 for testing |
| 23:41.34 | abrotman | !why is vim not in testing |
| 23:41.35 | dpkg | vim is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vim |
| 23:41.36 | xris | abrotman: ahh, that would explain it, then |
| 23:41.55 | abrotman | xris: aye .. it would indeed |
| 23:41.59 | abrotman | xris: nvi! |
| 23:42.21 | xris | abrotman: strange.. no blocks listed in that url |
| 23:42.31 | abrotman | xris: btw .. having duplicate sources(known good ones anyways) don't do anything for you ... |
| 23:42.43 | abrotman | xris: it's a different version .. adn it won't build on ARM |
| 23:43.14 | abrotman | xris: you could probably eliminate the mirrors.kernel.org and ftp.debian.org/testing sources |
| 23:43.29 | abrotman | and the second security line :) |
| 23:43.34 | abrotman | erm .. third .. whatever |
| 23:43.50 | abrotman | xris: wait .. i'll edit it for you :) |
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| 23:44.22 | abrotman | xris: http://pastebin.ca/72574 |
| 23:44.40 | xris | abrotman: yeah. it just got jumbled up when I was adding stuff to try to install vim |
| 23:44.43 | abrotman | xris: of course .. using your country code instead of ftp.debian.org (like ftp.es.debian.org) is a nice thing to do |
| 23:44.49 | meriad | azeem- where do i enter that |
| 23:44.53 | meriad | azeem- hehe |
| 23:44.59 | xris | I switched to kernel.org because it's fast |
| 23:45.16 | abrotman | xris: it's not always synced for me .. i stopped using it a while ago |
| 23:45.18 | meriad | azeem- i edited the grub boot loader and it dont workie or something argh and its hard to run a comman dlike that when you cant get past it it doesnt even mount the drives |
| 23:45.25 | abrotman | xris: or you can choose a Uni near you |
| 23:45.27 | meriad | azeem- it fails while running fsck |
| 23:46.29 | abrotman | xris: you could try to build vim from the source package . but i'd guess there's a reason it didn't build to start with :) |
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| 23:46.51 | sng | abrotman!!!!!!!! |
| 23:46.57 | meriad | so im messed :| |
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| 23:47.31 | abrotman | sng: slacker! |
| 23:47.31 | randy | DCC SEND GOODBYEYELLOWBRICKROAD 0 0 0 |
| 23:47.40 | randy | damn you idiots with your fixed routers |
| 23:47.41 | randy | :( |
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| 23:47.43 | abrotman | !ops randy DCC |
| 23:47.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: abrotman complains about: randy DCC |
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| 23:48.10 | xris | abrotman: no way to get the old version? |
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| 23:48.20 | DosBubba | !ops abrotman abusing !ops |
| 23:48.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: dosbubba complains about: abrotman abusing !ops |
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| 23:48.35 | dondelelcaro | 1/abr DosBubba |
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| 23:48.54 | thingfish | <3 azeem |
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| 23:49.20 | xris | abrotman: no us.security.debian.org? |
| 23:49.21 | azeem | meriad: boot a liveCD |
| 23:49.26 | stoned | lol |
| 23:49.29 | abrotman | xris: just security.debian.org |
| 23:49.31 | thingfish | hey stoned |
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| 23:49.37 | stoned | hey buddy |
| 23:49.42 | thingfish | how's it goin? |
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| 23:49.49 | stoned | just updating my sid box and eating seseame chicken |
| 23:49.54 | thingfish | ooo yum |
| 23:49.58 | meriad | azeem- i guess |
| 23:50.06 | meriad | azeem- kinda didnt wanna have to, it's such a pita |
| 23:50.07 | grabowszky | sziasztok |
| 23:50.14 | abrotman | !hu |
| 23:50.14 | dpkg | hu is probably Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 23:50.15 | grabowszky | van még itt valaki? |
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| 23:50.25 | thingfish | ooo ktos mowi po polsku. |
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| 23:50.45 | thingfish | oh that's hungarian? yeesh. |
| 23:50.59 | thingfish | that's a hard language. |
| 23:51.06 | sartek | :) |
| 23:51.07 | thingfish | like 40 cases. |
| 23:51.23 | grabowszky | bye |
| 23:51.29 | thingfish | later |
| 23:51.54 | meriad | man 4 more dasy till the long weekend |
| 23:51.55 | xris | wtf, this machine keeps changing ssh host keys |
| 23:51.55 | meriad | yippie skippie |
| 23:51.56 | Shadowcat | not that it's an excuse or anything, but seriously, those people SHOULD patch their routers |
| 23:51.57 | Dwonis | Hungarian. ROT-13. Same thing. |
| 23:52.04 | Shadowcat | that vulnerability has been out for ages |
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| 23:52.17 | xris | ok, maybe not... |
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| 23:53.18 | Dwonis | xris: uhm... details? |
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| 23:54.18 | xris | Dwonis: sshd seems to randomly disconnect me and then regenerate a new host key |
| 23:54.42 | Dwonis | xris: or, somebody's executing a MITM attack... |
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| 23:54.57 | xris | Dwonis: would be hard since I'm connected directly to the box |
| 23:55.34 | Dwonis | xris: that cable that runs under the carpet... are you *sure* it goes straight to the box? ;) |
| 23:55.57 | xris | heh. |
| 23:56.03 | xris | two hops away and one is the firewall. |
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| 23:56.26 | Dwonis | xris: also, you can execute a MITM attack on a LAN. The attacker doesn't actually have to be on an "in between" node |
| 23:57.03 | xris | Dwonis: yes. but that's not the case here.. I'm one of two people in the building who know this machine exists. we just set it up an hour ago |
| 23:58.18 | Stevie-O | what about the guy who runs the dhcp server? :D |
| 23:58.29 | Dwonis | xris: well, it's just that I have trouble believing that a stock Debian ssh is regenerating host keys arbitrarily without provocation. |
| 23:58.36 | Dwonis | xris: anything special about your setup? |
| 23:58.44 | Dwonis | Stevie-O: good point |
| 23:59.00 | Stevie-O | (I'd expect him to be able to find out...) |
| 23:59.15 | xris | Stevie-O: that'd be me |
| 23:59.20 | Stevie-O | anybody else have access? |
| 23:59.21 | xris | and the ip is static |
| 23:59.25 | Dwonis | not to mention that anyone running arpwatch would also know about the new box |
| 23:59.41 | xris | that'd be the isp, then... I trust speakeasy's business dsl dept,. |
| 23:59.48 | xris | anyway, nothing special in the install, no. |